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GOOD MORNING. EVERYBODY READY?
[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on October 23, 2023. ]
OKAY. G OOD MORNING EVERYONE. IT IS OCTOBER 23RD.THE TIME IS 9:06 AND WE'RE CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
WELCOME. I HOPE EVERYONE GOT SOME SLEEP AFTER THAT AMAZING TEXAS RANGER WIN LAST NIGHT.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I DID WANT TO LET OUR COLLEAGUES KNOW AND OUR PUBLIC THAT WE WILL BE SENDING OUT A FORECAST PRIOR TO OUR NEXT MEETING THAT WILL INCLUDE SOME OF THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS, AS WELL AS AGENDA ITEMS REQUESTED BY SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO OUR FIRST ACTION ITEM.
AND THAT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 19TH HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE MEETING.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
AYE. AYE. ANY CORRECTIONS? NONE MADE. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM IS BRIEFING ITEM A.
AND CHRISTINE AND JOLI ARE COMING UP.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
TODAY WE'RE GOING TO COVER THE LATEST AND I SHOULD SAY LAST REPORT OUT.
SO VERY EXCITED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
GOOD MORNING. GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PRINTOUT IN FRONT OF YOU? YES, WE HAVE OUR OWN PRINTOUT.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE OUR PRINTOUT SO YOU CAN PROCEED.
OKAY, SO JUST STARTING WITH SLIDE ONE, I'M VERY HAPPY TO SAY THAT, OF COURSE, IN 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL AND DALLAS COUNTY APPROVED A HISTORIC LEVEL OF FUNDING TO HELP OUR MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS THROUGH THE DALLAS REAL-TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE.
AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE HOUSED OVER 2700 NEIGHBORS.
THAT WAS OUR GOAL FOR, I THINK BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, AND WE HIT IT IN OCTOBER.
SO WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MET THAT FIRST ORIGINAL PROGRAMMATIC MARK.
WE'VE ALSO ACCOMPLISHED OUR GOAL THROUGH CENTERING RACIAL EQUITY, LISTENING DEEPLY TO THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE SERVING, AND BUILDING INCREDIBLE PARTNERSHIPS TO ENSURE WE CAN RESPOND EFFECTIVELY.
JOLI, DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RACIAL EQUITY PART? YES, OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO CENTER RACIAL EQUITY IN ALL THE WORK THAT WE DO.
NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE A SPECIFIC WORK GROUP THAT'S FOCUSED ON RACIAL EQUITY, BUT WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT THE DATA, WE ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE DATA BREAKDOWN BY RACE, BY GENDER, AND SO THAT WHEN WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE TIME, THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES AN INDIVIDUAL TO BE HOUSED, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT DATA STRATIFIED ALONG RACIAL LINES.
AND WE'VE SHORTENED THAT LENGTH OF TIME FOR BLACK HOUSEHOLDS.
WE ALSO ENSURED, I THINK IT WAS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS COMMISSION.
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WE ALSO ENSURED THAT WE HAD OUR LATINO HISPANIC NUMBERS IDENTIFIED AS WELL.AGAIN, THAT'S HOUSINGFORWARDNTX.ORG.
YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY DASHBOARD.
YOU CAN IDENTIFY AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE GRAPH THAT SHOWS INDIVIDUALS HOUSED.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE RACIAL BREAKDOWN.
THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE OVERALL NUMBERS AS WE CONTINUE TO ACCELERATE HOUSING PLACEMENT.
I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE SOME COMPARATIVE DATA UTILIZING INFORMATION PRIOR TO COVID, AND SO OUR AVERAGE MONTHLY HOUSING PLACEMENTS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED.
OUR PERCENTAGE OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS UNSHELTERED HAS DECREASED BY 14%.
WE'VE SEEN A DECREASE BY 32% IN CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS.
AND THIS IS THROUGH THE INTENTIONAL BUILDING OF A HOUSING LOCATION TEAM THAT WORKS EXTREMELY HARD EVERY DAY TO ENGAGE LANDLORDS AND PROPERTY OWNERS. AND SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE PUT IN PLACE TO THE DALLAS REAL-TIME RAPID REHOUSING HAS ALLOWED US TO STREAMLINE MANY OF OUR HOUSING LOCATION SERVICES, OUR ABILITY TO FIND HOUSING AND BRING HOUSING INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND WE'RE SEEING THE EFFECTS OF THE INTENTIONAL WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO.
BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE WORK AND THE IMPACT THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE, WE'VE SEEN THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF FUNDING THAT HAVE COME INTO OUR SYSTEM.
THE DAY ONE FAMILIES FUND, 1.5 MILLION HUD UNSHELTERED AWARD OVER THREE YEARS.
AND JUST RECENTLY, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO SHORTLY, WE WERE AWARDED SOME AMAZING DOLLARS THROUGH THE YOUTH HOMELESSNESS DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS US TO EVEN TARGET OUR UNHOUSED YOUTH POPULATION AND ENSURE THAT WE'RE CREATING AND SUSTAINING A SYSTEM THAT WORKS WELL FOR THEM.
SO BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT STREAMS OF REVENUE AND FUNDING THAT ARE COMING INTO THE SYSTEM, AGAIN, HOUSING FORWARD SERVES AS A FINANCIAL INTERMEDIARY FOR THESE DOLLARS.
BUT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DOLLARS COMING INTO A SYSTEM WHEN IT COMES TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, RAPID REHOUSING DIVERSION AND THE NEW AND EXISTING FUNDING, WE ARE ABLE TO FURTHER OUR ORIGINAL GOAL TO HOUSING 6,000 INDIVIDUALS BY 2025.
AGAIN, YOU ALREADY HEARD ME MENTION THE 14% REDUCTION IN UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS, THE 32% REDUCTION IN CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS, THE BEZOS DAY ONE FUNDING THAT ALLOWS US TO REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY TARGET OUR FAMILIES AND ALL OF THE OTHER STREAMS. AGAIN, REACHING THAT 6,000 IS OUR NEW GOAL BY 2025.
I'LL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT OUR REAL TIME REHOUSING COMMUNITY DASHBOARD.
SO BECAUSE OF THIS NEW, IMPROVED, IF YOU WILL, GOAL OF 6,000, WE ARE SHORTENING THE NAME.
IT WILL NO LONGER BE CALLED DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE ALL OF THE OTHER.
THERE WE GO. WE SEE THE SLIDES HERE NOW.
THANKS. BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE OTHER INTERVENTIONS THAT WE HAVE COMING INTO OUR SYSTEM.
THEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS THAT ADDITIONAL TARGET THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE NOW IN THE FINAL STAGES OF RETOOLING THE COMMUNITY DASHBOARD THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TOTALITY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR SYSTEM.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE KEY METRICS THAT ANYONE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE AT ANY GIVEN TIME ON THIS NEW COMMUNITY DASHBOARD THROUGH THE REAL TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOUSING PLACEMENTS LENGTH OF TIME TO OBTAIN HOUSING RETURNS TO HOMELESSNESS, WHICH WE KNOW IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT NOT JUST FOR THE INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, BUT OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY TO TRACK AND THEN THOSE RACIAL EQUITY OUTCOMES.
AND THEN IF WE CAN OH WE'RE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
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WE'VE DONE, BUT KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE TO RESOLVE MORE ENCAMPMENTS MORE QUICKLY.AND THAT'S AN INCREASE OVER TIME.
AND THE HOUSING FUNDING THAT HAS BEEN HAS ALREADY BEEN SECURED THROUGH OTHER FUNDS.
WE NEED TO EXPAND HOUSING OPTIONS AND CREATE PATHWAYS INTO HOUSING.
AND SO THROUGH THIS WORK, I'M VERY HAPPY TO SAY THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION HAS EXPANDED THE HOUSING OPTION THIS YEAR, WITH 480 NEW SLOTS OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING COMING ONLINE IN NOVEMBER 2023.
BUT OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED, ONE OF THE BIGGER BARRIERS TO CREATING THOSE PATHWAYS TO HOUSING WAS CLOSING MORE ENCAMPMENTS DUE TO THE GAP WITHOUT WHILE MEETING THAT GAP AND OUTREACH. STAFF SO VERY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MEET THAT GAP, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO FULLY LEVERAGE THOSE NEW SLOTS OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING COMING ONLINE.
AND I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO JOLI TO FINISH THIS OUT.
WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT YOUTH HOMELESSNESS AND THE NEEDS AND GAPS ANALYSIS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING BACK TO THIS BODY, FOLLOWING SOME WORK THAT WE HAD DONE EARLIER IN THE SPRING, YOU'LL RECALL THAT WE HAD DONE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR AN A YOUTH PROJECT WITH A PREFERENCE GIVEN TO AN LGBTQIA+ CARVE OUT, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY GET ANY GOOD RESPONSES BACK.
CLEARLY WE'RE MISSING THE MARK, EVEN WITH THE MASSIVE OUTREACH DONE TO GET PEOPLE TO RESPOND.
AND THEY WERE DOING, THEY WENT AND DID A NEEDS AND GAPS ANALYSIS.
I'M A DALLAS RESIDENT AS WELL.
WHEN I'M DRIVING TO COSTCO, I SEE IT OFF OF 75.
IF I'M, YOU KNOW, IN SOUTH DALLAS OR SOUTHERN DALLAS I ALSO SEE VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS.
SO IT IS NOT LOST ON ME SPECIFICALLY, NOR OUR ORGANIZATION THAT VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR MANY OF OUR DALLAS RESIDENTS AND THUS YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.
YOUR PRIORITY IS ALSO ON THAT VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS.
WE KNOW THAT THE SOLUTION TO ADDRESS VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS AT SCALE, THE ONLY SOLUTION TO ADDRESS THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE OUTREACH PERSONNEL THAT CAN ENGAGE INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN ENCAMPMENTS.
THEY ENSURE THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE THEIR CRITICAL DOCUMENTS.
THEY ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED TO POTENTIALLY THE PARKLAND HOMES VAN THAT COMES OUT.
AND SO, WITH THE FUNDING OF THE ADDITIONAL 16 STREET OUTREACH STAFF, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE THE RATE IN WHICH WE ARE ABLE TO ENGAGE PEOPLE LIVING OUTSIDE.
SO EVEN OUTSIDE OF WE KNOW THAT VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS IS A MAJOR CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS.
VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS IS ALSO A SEVERE HEALTH DETRIMENT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LIVING OUTSIDE.
AND SO NO COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE PEOPLE LIVING OUTSIDE.
AND WE WANT TO DO OUR BEST TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ENGAGED WITH A SOLUTION TO BE REHOUSED.
THAT SOLUTION ENSURES THAT THAT PERSON'S NEEDS ARE MET, AND IT COMES WITH A CUSTOMIZED APPROACH, NOT JUST PROVIDING THEM HOUSING, BUT THE NECESSARY WRAPAROUND SERVICES, WHATEVER THOSE SERVICES MAY BE.
AND SO THAT ABILITY TO ENGAGE INDIVIDUALS LIVING OUTSIDE.
I'M SUPER PROUD OF THE TEAM THAT DOES THAT WORK EACH AND EVERY DAY.
AND BECAUSE OF, AGAIN, I TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING ALLOWED US TO SET UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH THAT $72 MILLION INVESTMENT ALLOWED US TO CREATE A COMMUNITY WIDE STRATEGIC APPROACH TO ADDRESSING ENCAMPMENTS.
AND SO THE ONGOING WORK THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO TO ADDRESS ENCAMPMENTS, NOT JUST IN ONE PART OF THE TOWN, BUT REALLY BE EQUITABLE IN HOW WE ARE ENGAGING PEOPLE, LIVING OUTSIDE ACROSS OUR CITY IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR SYSTEM.
AND SO THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE DONE FOR INDIVIDUALS LIVING OUTSIDE.
THE CRITICAL DOCUMENTS ARE DONE.
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CUSTOMIZED, PROVIDES A CUSTOMIZED APPROACH FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.I DO WANT TO I ALWAYS WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT IN COLOR.
OUR YOUTH, WE HAVE A YOUTH WORK GROUP.
A LOT OF OUR WORK HAPPENS IN THE YOUTH WORK GROUP.
WE HAVE A YOUTH WORK GROUP THAT'S COMPRISED OF PEOPLE THAT DO THIS WORK EVERY DAY, AND THEY'RE ENGAGING YOUTH EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND HAVE DONE THAT WORK FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO AND THAT WE'RE BRINGING EVERYONE TO THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT.
HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT WE'RE CREATING A SYSTEM THAT TRULY MEETS THE NEEDS OF OUR YOUTH EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS? THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS THAT YOUTH BEGIN EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET TIRED OF ME HEARING THAT, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE SET IN PLACE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS TO CREATE A YOUTH ACTION BOARD THAT IS COMPRISED OF YOUTH THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS OR HAVE RECENTLY EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS TO HELP US VISION A SYSTEM THAT WILL WORK FOR THEM AND WITH THEM MORE EFFECTIVELY. AND SO THE WORK THAT WE DID TO CREATE THE FRAMEWORK TO PREVENT AND END HOMELESSNESS REALLY STARTED WITH THAT SYSTEM NEEDS AND GAPS BY THE NUMBERS, WE ENGAGED OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
DISD IS NOT THE ONLY SCHOOL DISTRICT IN OUR FOOTPRINT.
WE ENGAGE PLANO ISD, WE ENGAGE RICHARDSON ISD AS WELL.
THOSE ARE ALL OF THE VARIOUS PEOPLE THAT ARE ALSO AT THE TABLE.
BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THE DISD NUMBERS ALONE.
OVER 4368 YOUTH ARE AT RISK OF EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
THERE'S OVER A THOUSAND THAT ARE LITERALLY UNHOUSED.
WE ENGAGE OUR CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM, THEY'RE AT THE TABLE.
AND THEN AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, OUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM, WE'RE ENGAGING THOSE DIRECT SERVICE PROVIDERS TO HAVE THEM AT THE TABLE WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT FRAMEWORK DO WE NEED? AND SO WE KNOW IN THIS WORK COUNTING YOUTH, IT'S A TOUGH JOB.
YOUTH ARE OFTEN THEY CAN BE COUCH SURFING.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY AS VISIBLE AS INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN ENCAMPMENTS.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE ENGAGING OUR YOUTH, EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND OUR DIRECT SERVICE PROVIDERS, IT'S REALLY ALSO CREATING STRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS US TO EFFECTIVELY AND ADEQUATELY COUNT THE NUMBER OF YOUTH EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND SO WE KNOW WE NEED TO SCALE THOSE BEDS.
WE NEED TO SCALE THOSE HOUSING OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUTH.
WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER YOUTH THAT THAT WE NEED TO CREATE SAFE SPACES FOR, INCLUDING OUR LGBTQ PLUS YOUTH, INCLUDING YOUTH THAT ARE PREGNANT OR PARENTING AS WELL, AND ENSURING THAT WE'RE CREATING A SYSTEM THAT WILL EFFECTIVELY SERVE THOSE YOUTH.
SO WHAT YOU SEE ON SLIDE EIGHT REALLY IS KIND OF WHAT HAS BEEN VISIONED FOR US IN CREATION OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN PREVENT AND END YOUTH HOMELESSNESS. WE KNOW THAT EVEN ONE YOUTH EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IS ONE TOO MANY.
AND SO ONE OF THE REALLY CREATIVE THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM OUR YOUTH ACTION BOARD MEMBERS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRE AND THE NEED TO HAVE A YOUTH RESOURCE CENTER WHERE IT COULD BE A TRIAGE, IT COULD BE A TRIAGE KIND OF PROCESS.
INSTEAD OF YOUTH HAVING TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, DO I GO TO TRACK? DO I GO TO AFTER EIGHT TO EDUCATE? DO I GO TO JONATHAN'S PLACE? WHERE DO I GO THAT MEETS MY NEEDS, THAT SERVES WHO I AM, THAT SERVES MY AGE? BUT THEY HAVE THIS YOUTH RESOURCE HUB, THIS YOUTH RESOURCE CENTER THAT ALLOWS THEM KIND OF A ONE STOP SHOP TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, TO GET THEM TRIAGED AND BETTER CONNECTED TO RESOURCE THAT SERVES THEIR NEEDS.
WE WANTED TO ALSO BE SURE TO OUTLINE WHAT DOES THE YHDP YOUTH HOMELESSNESS DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM GRANT REALLY PROVIDE US THE DOLLARS AND THE CAPACITY TO DO, AND THAT'S A $9.3 MILLION DOLLAR GRANT OVER TWO YEARS.
AGAIN, FOR OUR SYSTEM, THERE IS A PROCESS THAT HUD FOLLOWS FOR THE YHDP GRANT.
SO THE FIRST 6 TO 9 MONTHS IS JUST A COMMUNITY PLANNING, A COMMUNITY WIDE VISION THAT WE THEN CRAFT AND CREATE ALONGSIDE OUR HUD TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PARTNERS AND OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THAT AGAIN IS ABOUT A SIX MONTH PLAN LED BY OUR YOUTH ACTION BOARD.
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THAT THERE ARE YOUTH AT THE TABLE.AND SO WE PROVIDED A TIMELINE SO EVERYONE COULD SEE THAT, THAT SIX MONTH COMMUNITY WIDE INVESTMENT PLANNING HAS TO BE CREATED AND COMPLETED BY MARCH 20TH, 2024 THE COMMUNITY WIDE RFP TO SELECT THOSE PROJECTS.
WE HAVE IT TIMELINE AROUND APRIL 2024 AND THEN PROJECT EXECUTION BY SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024.
THERE'S SOME THINGS I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT CAME OUT DURING OUR NEEDS AND GAPS ANALYSIS.
WE WANT TO ENSURE NO YOUTH EVER HAVE TO EXPERIENCE UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS.
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO SAFE, TEMPORARY HOUSING OR SHELTER WHEN NEEDED, AND THAT THEY ARE EMPOWERED TO DETERMINE THE MOST APPROPRIATE HOUSING OPTION FOR THEM. THERE REALLY IS A PHRASE WE USE IN THIS SPACE ABOUT WE WANT TO ENSURE YOUTH HAVE NO WRONG DOOR TO GET THEM CONNECTED TO THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED.
IT IS A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE YOUTH HOMELESSNESS DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM.
AND THEN IF WE WANT TO GO TO THE LAST SLIDE.
SO JUST AS ALWAYS, WE'LL CLOSE OUT WITH NEXT STEPS.
NEXT STEPS. PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING LAUNCH A 480 NEW SLOTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, REALLY MADE POSSIBLE BY THIS COUNCIL'S ALLOTMENT OF FUNDING FOR THOSE 16 STREET OUTREACH SLOTS IN THE BUDGET.
STREET OUTREACH THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY WILL PROCURE FOR THE 16 FTES.
SYSTEM WIDE DIVERSION ROLLOUT, AND THEN THE YHDP GRANT THAT JOLI JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO THANK YOU. AND AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU, CHAIR, FOR QUESTIONS.
BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, I DO WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT STAFF AND I DID DISCUSS THERE'S A LOT OF TERMS IN THESE PRESENTATIONS THAT SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT AWARE OF OR WE JUST FORGET ABOUT.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING A GLOSSARY AT OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, ENSURING THE TERMS AND THE ACRONYMS AND THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING. DO HAVE A QUESTION ON VALIDATING THE DATA AND ENSURING THAT IT'S ACCURATE? WITH THE UPCOMING CITY AUDITOR'S AUDIT ON HOMELESSNESS? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INCLUDING TYPES OF HOUSING, WHETHER THAT BE PERMANENT, SUPPORTIVE, TRANSITIONAL, TEMPORARY, EMERGENCY SHELTERS, AND THAT WE'RE GETTING A BREAKDOWN OF DISTRICTS AS WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE ROLLOUT OF THIS AND WE'LL HEAR LATER TODAY ON ANOTHER EXCITING PROJECT ON HOW TO SPREAD THAT OUT AND DECENTRALIZE FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND ENSURING THAT HOW WE'RE ENGAGING WITH OUR COMMUNITY, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE INTERACTING WITH OUR DISTRICTS SO THAT COMMUNITIES VOICES ARE HEARD.
AND WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT STAFF IS HEARING COUNCIL'S AND THIS COMMITTEE'S CLEAR DIRECTION ON HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU AND GREAT JOB ON HITTING THE 2700 HOUSED MARK.
SO YOU SAID EIGHT WILL BE HIRED IN THE NEW YEAR, AND THEN EIGHT WILL BE HIRED IN THE SUMMER.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT STRUCK ME WAS THAT WE KNOW WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A COLD WEATHER INCIDENT WHERE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS IN A TEMPORARY INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER, AND IT'S SOUNDING LIKE THAT IS SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KIND OF GOT A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE.
SO I'M WONDERING ABOUT THAT HIRING WITH REGARD TO MOVING IT UP SO THAT WE HAVE MORE STAFF WHO COULD WORK WITH THAT POPULATION, AND THEN THE OTHER EIGHT THAT WERE GOING TO BE HIRED IN SUMMER, KNOWING THAT SPRING AND WARMER WEATHER STARTING IN MARCH MIGHT BRING MORE PEOPLE OUT, YOU KNOW, OUT INTO THE STREETS. WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE THAT SECOND ROUND OF HIRING READY FOR SPRING? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
AND THEN BY THE TIME THAT HALF IS HIRED AND TRAINED UP, WE'LL HIRE THE SECOND HALF.
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THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF OUTREACH DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER, SHELTER IS NOT BEING THOUGHT ABOUT.AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THAT TIES BACK TO HMIS.
AND SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS CONTINUE BECAUSE IT IS A VERY VALUABLE ASSET.
AND I DON'T, JOLI, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? I WILL JUST ADD DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER, OUR TEAM DOES AND OTHERS DO AN AMAZING JOB OF CAPTURING THE DATA AROUND WHO IS SHOWING UP TO INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTERS AND PERFORMING AN ASSESSMENT OF SORTS TO THINK ABOUT HOUSING THAT'S NECESSARY.
HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE PEOPLE EVEN AFTER THE INCLEMENT WEATHER INCIDENT? INCLEMENT WEATHER INCIDENT IS USUALLY ALL HANDS ON DECK TO GET PEOPLE INSIDE, BUT HOW DO WE ENGAGE THEM? IF IT'S A 2 TO 3 DAY EVENT AND WE HAVE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEM ASSESSED FOR HOUSING, GET THEIR NEEDS ASSESSED AND MOVE FORWARD? OKAY. ON PAGE THREE, WE TALK ABOUT FIVE TIMES THE NUMBER OF UNITS HELD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF GROWTH.
I LIKE THAT YOU'VE GOT A YEAR OVER YEAR NUMBER.
THE TOP ITEM IS 160% IN MONTHLY HOUSING PLACEMENTS IN 2023 COMPARED TO 2019, WHICH I WOULD EXPECT A LARGE NUMBER BECAUSE IN 2019 WE WEREN'T REALLY DOING ANYTHING OR AS MUCH.
AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT YEAR OVER YEAR NUMBER.
COULD YOU JUST TELL ME BRIEFLY WHAT ARE THE OBJECTIONS YOU'RE HEARING, AND WHAT ARE THE INCENTIVES THAT SEEM TO BE TIPPING PROPERTIES OVER TO ACCEPTING HOUSING OUR HOMELESS NEIGHBORS? A REALLY GREAT QUESTION.
SOME OF THE OBJECTIONS WE'RE HEARING ARE, YOU KNOW, A BIAS AROUND WHO IS GOING TO BE HOUSED THERE.
SIMILAR TO MANY OTHERS, THERE'S A BIAS AROUND PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND SO SOME OF THE OBJECTIONS WE HEAR ARE ABOUT, WELL, I HAVE SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT THE OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE COMPLEX OR, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL THEY TREAT THE UNIT THAT THEY'RE IN? IT'S IN THIS TIGHT HOUSING MARKET THOSE BIASES REALLY ARE SOME OF THE BIGGEST OBJECTIONS OR I DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT A VOUCHER, I DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT A RENTAL SUBSIDY. TEXAS, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND LANDLORDS HAVE THAT RIGHT TO NOT ACCEPT VOUCHERS OR RENTAL SUBSIDIES.
AND SO SOME OF THE OBJECTIONS WE'RE HEARING ARE AROUND THAT.
AND WE DO REGULAR ENGAGEMENT, INCLUDING WITH THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION OF GREATER DALLAS, SO THAT WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE OBJECTIONS ARE AND THEN MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE HEARING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIAS ABOUT WHO THE INDIVIDUAL IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY CLEAR THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT BE BETTER SUPPORTED THAN SOMEONE ELSE, THEY'RE GETTING REGULAR CASE MANAGEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RISK MITIGATION FEE.
SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE INCENTIVES THAT'S AN INCENTIVE.
THERE'S A RISK MITIGATION FEE THAT WE CAN HELP ENSURE THAT IF YOU ARE AFRAID THAT SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN TO YOUR UNIT, THIS RISK MITIGATION FEE COULD COVER THOSE SORTS OF DAMAGES, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE FEARFUL OF.
OKAY. I'VE GOT ANOTHER [INAUDIBLE].
I'VE GOT A FEW MORE BUT I CAN STOP WITH THIS.
ON THE YHDP YOUTH HOMELESSNESS DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM AND THE YOUTH ACTION BOARD, ALL OF THAT.
HOWEVER, WHEN I WENT TO LOOK THIS UP ON HUD'S PROGRAM, THE TWO MODEL PROGRAMS WERE VERY CONFUSING.
I WASN'T GETTING LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL OUTCOME WAS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE SIT IN HERE AND WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.
AND SO I KNOW WE ALWAYS WANT TO ACCELERATE THINGS AROUND HERE, BUT I JUST BETWEEN THOSE TWO POINTS OF NOT REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT THE MODEL PROGRAMS ARE SHOWING, AND THEN ALSO THE TIME THE SIX MONTH DEVELOPMENT OR 6 TO 9 MONTHS OF DEVELOPMENT, IS THERE A WAY TO CLOSE THAT, TO JUST KNOW THAT IT'S KIDS HANGING IN THE BALANCE? YES. SO IN THAT SIX MONTH, YOUTH ARE STILL BEING ENGAGED BY YOUTH SERVICE PROVIDERS, RIGHT.
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THE WORK THAT THEY ARE ALREADY DOING DOES NOT STOP THE WORK THAT TRACK IS DOING.THE WORK OF ELEVATING NORTH TEXAS IS DOING.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS THIS PROCESS OF A SIX MONTH IS WHAT THEY GENERALLY SAY IS A COMMUNITY PLANNING EXERCISE TO ENSURE, SIMILAR TO DALLAS REAL TIME, THAT WE CAN ACCELERATE THE NUMBER OF YOUTH THAT OUR SYSTEM CAN CURRENTLY SERVE.
AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR HUD PARTNERS, AND WE'LL ENSURE I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT NOTE.
IT WAS ALASKA AND SPRINGFIELD.
I JUST DIDN'T GET ANYTHING OUT OF THAT.
THAT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING TO MODEL AFTER.
CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO CONTINUING THIS ON THE COMMITTEE AND GREAT PRESENTATION.
PRIOR TO THE CONTINUUM OF CARE'S RECENT TRANSFORMATION INTO A COORDINATED HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM STRUGGLED TO FIND AVAILABLE RENTAL UNITS.
AND STILL, I KNOW IT'S STILL AN ISSUE, BUT.
SO THE FINDING OF THE UNITS AND ALSO THE NECESSARY SUBSIDIES SINCE THE TRANSFORMATION HAS OCCURRED, HOW FAR HAVE WE COME AS A SYSTEM JUST OVERALL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, THE INCREASE IN LANDLORDS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING INTO THE SYSTEM, HOUSING PEOPLE AT A FASTER RATE.
THOSE ARE THE DATA POINTS, NUMBER ONE THAT I KNOW YOU ALL ARE LOOKING FOR, OUR COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR, BUT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WANT TO BE SERVED IN A WAY THAT GETS THEM IDENTIFIED FASTER, GETS THEM MOVED FROM IDENTIFICATION TO BEING HOUSED FASTER.
THE VERY BEGINNING, PRIOR TO WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED DALLAS REAL TIME TO NOW, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF SCALE UP OF WHAT OUR SYSTEM CAPACITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE.
SOME OF THE BIG CONSTRAINTS CONTINUE TO BE WE HAVE TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT HOUSING LIKE YESTERDAY.
WE HAVE TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
OUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM ISN'T A PREVENTION SYSTEM.
AND SO WHAT WE NEED ADVOCATE, PLEAD AND BEG FOR IS THAT AS MULTIPLE CITIES, RIGHT, WE COVER DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY THAT THEY REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, INCLUDING COLLIN COUNTY, GET SERIOUS ABOUT DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
WE UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT A FORTUNE TELLER AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT IF WE DON'T GET TO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE IMPACT OF PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR HOMES.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE IMPACTED BY THAT.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE CONSTRAINTS I MENTIONED IS HOUSING.
IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF INCREDIBLE WORK BEING DONE IN OUR SYSTEM.
WE SHOULD DO THE MODEL THAT EXISTS SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YES, WE WANT TO HAVE SOLUTIONS THAT SERVE OTHERS, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE SERVING PEOPLE EFFECTIVELY, THAT IT'S CENTERED IN THEIR EXPERIENCE, THAT THEY'RE GETTING A CUSTOMIZED APPROACH, THAT THEY NEED TO END HOMELESSNESS, BUT THAT ALSO THAT WE'RE SOLVING HOMELESSNESS, THAT WE'RE SOLVING THAT INDIVIDUAL'S HOMELESSNESS PERMANENTLY AND NOT JUST A BAND-AID OVER AN ISSUE THAT EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS DOWN THE ROAD.
THANK YOU. IF THE CITY COMES UP WITH MORE FUNDING THAT WE CAN APPLY TOWARDS REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS, IF WE AND HOW WOULD IT BE BEST SPENT? WOULD IT BE BEST SPENT ON ADDING SHELTER CAPACITY, ADDING TEMPORARY HOUSING, OR INCREASING OUR CAPACITY TO DECOMMISSION THE CAMPS AND THEN GIVE THEM A PATHWAY TO HOUSING? I'LL ANSWER IT THIS WAY, INCREASING SHELTER CAPACITY, PEOPLE ARE STILL CONSIDERED HOMELESS.
IF YOU INCREASE TEMPORARY TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, PEOPLE ARE STILL CONSIDERED HOMELESS.
SO THOSE TWO OPTIONS DO NOT END A PERSON'S HOMELESSNESS.
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THE ONLY WAY WE TARGETED THE THIRD ONE, COUNCIL MEMBER WEST, WAS WHAT WAS? THE REDUCING THE CAPACITY OR I'M SORRY, INCREASING OUR CAPACITY TO DECOMMISSION THE ENCAMPMENTS AND THEN GIVE THEM A PATHWAY TO HOUSING.THAT THIRD OPTION IS THE THING THAT IS, THE TOOL IS ONE OF THE TOOLS OUR SYSTEM HAS TO PERMANENTLY END SOMEONE'S HOMELESSNESS, FOCUSING ON INCREASED CAPACITY TO REALLY ENHANCE OUR OVERALL ABILITY TO ENGAGE PEOPLE LIVING IN ENCAMPMENTS AND GET THEM MOVED INTO PERMANENT SOLUTIONS FOR THEMSELVES IS THE THING THAT WILL ALLOW US TO END HOMELESSNESS PERMANENTLY.
AND WE ARE FOLLOWING IN HOUSTON'S FOOTSTEPS.
THAT LAID THE SCRIPT OUT TO DO JUST THAT AND SAW A 60% REDUCTION IN HOMELESSNESS.
WE GET ASKED QUITE OFTEN ABOUT HOUSTON IS ONE OF THOSE CITIES WE GET ASKED QUITE OFTEN ABOUT.
HOW CAN WE ALIGN TO THE WORK THAT THEY DID IN HOUSTON OVER THE PAST DECADE TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE HOMELESSNESS? AND WE'RE DOING MANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT THEY THEY HAD IN PLACE.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO GET US THERE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY GREAT JOB TO THIS.
BUT YOU ALL HAVE COME TOGETHER AND BUILT A SYSTEM THAT I THINK IS ADDRESSING THE ISSUE AHEAD OF US.
SO GREAT JOB AND CONTINUE TO GREAT GOOD WORK THERE.
THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND THIS IS JUST REALLY MORE FROM AN UNDERSTANDING PERSPECTIVE, THE DAYS TO OBTAINING HOUSING THAT 223 NUMBER, IS THAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER THERE OR IS THAT JUST KIND OF AS A SAMPLE? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT? IT WAS A SLIDE FIVE.
OH THAT DATA IS IS DRAFT DATA.
SO YOU SHOULD SEE ON THAT SLIDE WE JUST WE JUST PLOP THE NUMBERS.
WE'RE STILL BUILDING THIS DASHBOARD.
AND SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT REAL.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. ALL RIGHT COOL.
NEXT QUESTION. HOW DO YOU MEASURE OR HOW IS THE HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE PARTNERS AROUND THE CITY AND THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING WITHIN THIS ECOSYSTEM TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE SUCCESS OR THE CONTRIBUTION? IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, WE UTILIZING THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE ENTER CLIENT DATA, WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHICH SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE HOUSING PEOPLE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME.
WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW MANY CLIENTS THEY'RE SERVING.
WE CAN UNDERSTAND MAYBE HOW MANY BEDS THEY HAVE.
AND IF THOSE BEDS ARE FULL FILLED TO CAPACITY.
WE HAVE A SENSE UTILIZING UTILIZING THAT HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM THAT HMS. I'M GOING TO TRY TO USE ACRONYMS AND THE FULL THING AS I'M TALKING, I'LL TRY TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE QUOTE UNQUOTE, MEASURE SUCCESS AND UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE HEALTH AND VIABILITY OF AN AGENCY ACROSS OUR FOOTPRINT. AND SO THAT THAT INFORMATION WILL REGULARLY REPORTING OUT ON.
DID THEY DID THEY ANSWER? IT'S GETTING ME THERE. OKAY.
AND THEN I'M JUST GOING TO TRANSITION LASTLY TO THE TO THE YOUTH SIDE OF THINGS.
AND AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ADDRESSING THAT.
SO I'D JUST BE CURIOUS CURRENTLY, AND I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO DO A BETTER JOB OF REACHING OUT BEFORE THE MEETINGS, BUT ARE THERE ANY THOSE AGING OUT OF FOSTER CARE HAVE CERTAIN BENEFITS AND THINGS THAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO.
WHAT SYSTEMS ARE IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THEY GET ACCESS TO THOSE? BECAUSE I CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO SOME OF THOSE BENEFITS, I.E.
COLLEGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD REDUCE SOME OF THE HOMELESSNESS.
SO ARE THERE MANY SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO HELP THEM GET ACCESS TO THOSE RESOURCES? REALLY SOLID QUESTION.
I GO BACK TO OUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM IS ONCE AN INDIVIDUAL BECOMES UNHOUSED, OUR HOPE AND ADVOCACY AND CONVERSATION WITH THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM IS THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT VERY THING.
THEY KNOW THE DATA OF KIDS THAT ARE ABOUT TO AGE OUT.
WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING ON THE FRONT END TO ENSURE THAT ONCE THEY AGE OUT, THEY'RE NOT FALLING INTO OUR SYSTEM? IT'S THE SAME AS THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW YOUR POPULATION WITHIN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
YOU HAVE THAT DATA. WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA.
OUR DATA, AGAIN, IS ON THE BACK END.
ONCE THEY BECOME, THEY BECOME UNHOUSED.
HOW ARE YOU SHORING UP? MAYBE IS IT A SOCIAL WORKER? MAYBE. IS IT A HOUSING, NAVIGATION OR RESOURCE NAVIGATOR THAT CAN HELP THOSE YOUTH THAT ARE EITHER AGING OUT OF FOSTER CARE, THAT ARE IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM, THAT ARE
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WITHIN A SCHOOL DISTRICT? HOW ARE YOU EQUIPPING THOSE YOUTH BEFORE THEY HIT OUR SYSTEM WITH THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED? SO THAT'S WHAT OUR SYSTEM CONTINUES TO ADVOCATE FOR.PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
IS THERE AN ECHO? WE CAN HEAR YOU CLEARLY.
OKAY, GREAT. SO MY QUESTION IS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM FOR YOU.
CAN YOU TELL US RIGHT NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE IN THE HMIS SYSTEM THAT ARE CONSIDERED ACTIVE HOMELESS? I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF THE HMIS SYSTEM ARE ACTIVELY HOMELESS, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT TO YOU.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT IN A FRIDAY MEMO, CHRISTINE.
AND SO THAT I WRITE IT DOWN. I'M SORRY.
COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. SO I WRITE IT DOWN AND GET THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER.
YOU SAID HOW MANY ARE CURRENTLY IN HMIS CORRECT? THAT ARE ACTIVELY HOMELESS, AND THEN HOW MANY ARE DALLAS AND HOW MANY ARE THE REST OF THE COC? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU IS THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CROSSOVER OF DEFINITIONS.
SO YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR YOUTH.
BUT OF COURSE THAT'S UNDER 18.
AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME ADOPTION THAT DALLAS OR HOUSING FORWARD CAN MAKE THAT MIGHT BE EVEN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS.
BUT WHERE WE SAY YOUTH IS ACTUALLY 18 AND UNDER OR UNDER 18, AND WE SAY YOUNG ADULT IS 18 TO 24, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING KIDS. AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY A 24 YEAR OLD IS NOT A KID.
WE I MEAN THE CITY, YOU ALL CAN CREATE TERMS OR ALIGN WITH DIFFERENT TERMS FOR US AND OUR SYSTEM.
WE DO HAVE TO ALIGN WITH THE TERMS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR COUNT FOR YOUTH, AND THAT IS UP TO 24 CHRISTINA AND I CAN TALK ABOUT, FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT REPORTING OUT TO YOU ALL LOOKS LIKE.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ADDING IN A SHELTER FOR YOUTH, ARE YOU INCLUDING UNDER 18? BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF, A DIFFERENT STANDARD AND DIFFERENT ACCREDITATION THAT'S NEEDED.
OR I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT ADDING A SHELTER FOR YOUTH, BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE SOLUTIONS FOR YOUTH, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THOSE AGE RANGES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE ADDED IN THAT GLOSSARY THAT WE SPOKE TO FOR OUR UPCOMING MEETING.
IF WE CAN DISTINGUISH YOUTH HOMELESSNESS IN THAT BREAKDOWN SO THAT WE CAN GET CLARITY.
THE SECOND ITEM THAT SEEMS TO BE UNCLEAR IN THE PRESENTATION IS ACCOMPANIED VERSUS UNACCOMPANIED.
SO WHEN YOU'RE REFERENCING THE DALLAS ISD NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT THEY HAVE THAT ARE HOMELESS.
DID YOU VERIFY WHETHER THESE ARE ACCOMPANIED OR UNACCOMPANIED? I THINK WE USE THE DATA IN WHICH THEY PROVIDED, BUT I CAN GET MORE EXPLICIT AND ASK DISD A BREAKDOWN OF ACCOMPANIED VERSUS UNACCOMPANIED FOR THE NUMBER THEY PROVIDED.
BECAUSE I THINK FEDERALLY IT'S EXPRESSED AS FAMILY HOMELESSNESS WHEN IT'S ACCOMPANIED WITH AN ADULT VERSUS YOUTH HOMELESSNESS WHEN THEY'RE UNACCOMPANIED. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES. I WANT TO ALSO BE CLEAR WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT CREATING A SYSTEM THAT EFFECTIVELY IDENTIFIES AND SERVES THE UNHOUSED POPULATION, WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE USING SUCH CALCULATIONS.
EVEN IF YOU ARE ACCOMPANIED, DO WE HAVE A SYSTEM? IF YOU'RE UNACCOMPANIED OR ACCOMPANIED, DO WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S EFFECTIVELY IDENTIFYING YOU, IDENTIFYING THE POTENTIAL FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY OR INDIVIDUAL TO BECOME UNHOUSED? AND THEN ARE WE CREATING A SYSTEM PROVIDED WITH THOSE RESOURCES THAT ARE MEETING YOUR NEEDS? I COMPLETELY AGREE.
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18, WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS CORRECT? CORRECT, YOU ARE CORRECT.OKAY. SO WHEN YOU'RE REFERENCING THE DISD 4000 NUMBER AND YOU SAID A THOUSAND ARE LITERALLY UNHOUSED, IS THAT REFLECTED IN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT? WHAT IS REFLECTED IN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT ARE THOSE THAT THOSE YOUTH.
I DO NOT BELIEVE OVER A THOUSAND YOUTH WAS IN THE LAST POINT IN TIME COUNT.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POINT IN TIME COUNT OF YOUTH, THOSE ARE THOSE SIMILAR TO WHEN WE'RE DOING OTHER POINT IN TIME COUNTS THAT MAY BE IN SOME SORT OF LIVING SITUATION, WHETHER IT BE PROMISE HOUSE, JONATHAN'S PLACE, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT POINT IN TIME COUNT, THAT'S THE DATA WE'RE UTILIZING AS WELL.
I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT ANSWER.
SO YOU SAID A THOUSAND ARE LITERALLY UNHOUSED.
AND I'M WAS ASKING IF THOSE THOUSAND ARE IN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.
RIGHT? THE THOUSAND THAT'S LITERALLY UNHOUSED IS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THEY ALSO COUNT KIDS THAT ARE LIVING IN MOTELS, HOTELS, OUR POINT IN TIME COUNT DOES NOT.
WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND OR KNOW IF A CHILD IS IN A HOTEL OR MOTEL.
I APOLOGIZE IF IT WAS, IF WHAT I SAID WAS CONFUSING.
SO ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE HOMELESS LIAISONS AND DISD TO ENSURE THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE INCLUDED IN THE POINT IN TIME? WE ARE WORKING WITH THOSE LIAISONS TO ENSURE WE CREATE A SYSTEM THAT CAN APPROPRIATELY IDENTIFY THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS I DIDN'T HEAR IN THIS PRESENTATION IS HOW THE COC AND FRANKLY, THE CITY OF DALLAS, WILL ADDRESS PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT SHELTER OR HOUSING.
AND COUNCIL MEMBER, I TALKED ABOUT THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE, BUT PERHAPS NOT IN THIS BODY, THAT WE DO HAVE A STRONG COMMITMENT TO ENGAGING EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO IS UNSHELTERED AND HOMELESS.
YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT SOME WILL TAKE LONGER THAN OTHERS TO ENGAGE AND MOVE INTO HOUSING.
BUT THAT IS WHERE I THINK IT IS THE CITY'S HEALTH AND SAFETY RESPONSE TEAMS TO REALLY DRAW THE LINE AND SAY, HEY, THE BEHAVIOR THAT IS EXPECTED HERE IS THAT YOU WILL EVENTUALLY WORK WITH US ON HOUSING, AND IF NOT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT.
IF CHAIR CAN I CAN I SPEAK TO THAT QUESTION, PLEASE? THANK YOU SO MUCH. KIMBERLY BIZOR TOBER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN, I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS JUST IN GENERAL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE WE STARTED THE RAPID REHOUSING. WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE INDIVIDUALS THAT CONTINUOUSLY REFUSE SERVICES? I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS TO COME BACK AND HAVE A BROADER POLICY DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO GET THE GUIDANCE ABOUT WHAT THIS BODY AND THE FULL CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DOING.
I DO KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE ARE ENGAGING WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO REFUSE SERVICES.
THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE COMMITTING A POTENTIAL CRIME OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT HAS BECOME PROBLEMSOME.
BUT I THINK IT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THIS BODY ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO AND WHAT RESOURCES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY UTILIZE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WELL, I WOULD ASK THE CHAIR TO PLEASE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.
IT MOST CERTAINLY IS A CRIME IN TEXAS TO BE ENCAMPED ON PUBLIC LAND.
AND I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO THE OUTREACH TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT HOUSING.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE, AND I'M INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT DISCUSSION.
SO PRIOR TO THE YOUTH HOMELESSNESS RFP GOING OUT LAST, I THINK LAST WINTER, WE HAD MANY, MANY CONVERSATIONS I PRESENTED ON IT TO THE COC EXECUTIVE COUNCIL.
I BELIEVE I TALKED TO THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION AT SOME POINT ABOUT IT.
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BEYOND ANY YOUTH PROVIDERS IN THE AREA.WE ALSO DID AN RFQ BEFORE THAT AND HAD ONE RESPONSE.
SO WE DID AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO DRUM UP INTEREST AND RESPONSES AND TO REALLY HAVE WHAT WE INTENDED TO PURSUE EXTREMELY VISIBLE SO THAT WE COULD GARNER FEEDBACK.
AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT WAS NOT GREAT IN TERMS OF QUANTITY OF FEEDBACK.
AND SO WE REALLY FELT LIKE, WELL, IS THERE EVEN A GROUP WHO IS ABLE TO DO THIS? IS THERE EVEN A WISH TO DO IT? AND SO COMING OUT OF THAT RFP, YOU KNOW, WE WE TURNED TO HOUSING FORWARD AND SAID, CAN YOU GUYS HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE AND THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR YOUTH SHELTER AND YOUTH HOUSING IN THE SYSTEM.
SO WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ON? AND OUT OF THAT, I THINK WHAT HOUSING BOARD WAS ALREADY WORKING ON THE NEEDS AND GAPS ANALYSIS.
SO ALL THE GROUPS THAT YOU DID THE MASSIVE OUTREACH TO, CAN YOU TELL ME IF THEY PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO YOU ON WHY THEY DID NOT SUBMIT TO THE RFP? AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED ABOUT THE NEEDS AND GAPS ANALYSIS, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, THERE WERE A LOT OF OPINIONS.
BUT WHEN WE ASKED IN A FORMAL SETTING, WE DIDN'T GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK.
AND SO INSTEAD OF JUST REISSUING THE RFP, WE WANTED TO GO BACK TO HOUSING FORWARD AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, CLEARLY THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WITH THE FRAMEWORK IN WHICH WE'RE ASKING IF WE'RE NOT GETTING THE CORRECT RESPONSES.
COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN, ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL DO A SECOND ROUND.
THANK YOU. GOT TO PICK WHICH ONE I WANT TO DO.
OKAY. CAN YOU TELL ME, ARE WE TRACKING IN THE COC THE DOLLARS THAT EACH CITY IS ALLOCATING TOWARDS HOMELESSNESS? TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, WE TRACK AND ENGAGE EVERY CITY TO UNDERSTAND THE DOLLARS THAT THEY ARE ALLOCATING TOWARDS HOMELESSNESS. YES.
COULD YOU SHARE THAT WITH US, PLEASE? WE WILL TRY OUR BEST.
I THINK WE DEFINITELY CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, I'M SURE.
I THINK SARA KHAN IS LISTENING NOW.
ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT QUESTION, AND SEGWAY.
AND WE'LL GO DEEPER INTO THAT CONVERSATION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, AND THANK YOU FOR VOCALIZING WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT DIRECTION IS FROM COUNCIL.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE AUDIT THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, COST IS GOING TO BE IN THERE AS WELL AS WELL AS THE TYPES OF HOUSING. CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND THE FRAMEWORK? BECAUSE I THINK IT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THIS DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US, AND ENSURING THAT WHAT'S ON THIS PAPER IS NOT NECESSARILY NOT SAYING IT'S NOT ACCURATE OR THAT IT'S NOT FOLLOWING.
AND SO CAN YOU HELP US, GUIDE US HOW THAT FRAMEWORK IS GOING TO LOOK ON THAT AUDIT.
AND MAYBE IT'S IN THE CITY AUDITOR'S HANDS AND NOT YOURS.
THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, CHAIR MORENO.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE AUDITOR ACTUALLY WILL DEVELOP WHATEVER THE THE SCOPE IS, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY BE PROVIDING WHATEVER DATA THAT IS REQUESTED TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER ACCURACY OR ANY TYPE OF DATA THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING, THAT DATA HAS BEEN VALIDATED.
WE HAVE CREATED IN THIS LAST, I WOULD SAY, A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND SINCE WE'VE BEEN REALLY DIGGING DEEPER INTO THE DATA, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT AND WHERE THAT DATA IS ACTUALLY KEPT.
SO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT AS WE GO INTO THE THE AUDIT PERIOD, THAT WE WILL HAVE ANY ISSUES AT ALL WITH MAKING SURE THAT DATA HAS BEEN DATA HAS BEEN VALIDATED. WE WANT TO LEARN AS WE GO THROUGH THE AUDITOR'S SCOPE.
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WE MAY SAY ONE THING AND OTHERS INTERPRET IT A DIFFERENT WAY.WE WILL DEFINITELY BE AT THE TABLE.
WE'LL DEFINITELY WORK WITH HOUSING FORWARD.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
CAN WE GO TO SLIDE TWO? WE. OKAY? OKAY. I'M JUST, AND THAT'S REALLY SMALL.
IS THAT ON HERE OR AM I OVERSEEING IT? IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT ON THE SLIDE, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE DASHBOARD.
AND SO WE MENTIONED THAT THE 11% OF HOUSEHOLDS IDENTIFIED AS LATINO OR HISPANIC.
THANK YOU. WHEN WE WERE DOING INTAKE, WHETHER THAT BE AT INCLEMENT WEATHER OR JUST AS WE'RE ENGAGING EVERY DAY WHEN Y'ALL ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, ARE WE COLLECTING ZIP CODES FROM INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR LAST KNOWN HOME ADDRESS? NO THAT INFORMATION IS NOT AS ZIP CODES THAT..
AND THE TROUBLE THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LAST KNOWN ADDRESS, WHICH IS A PART OF A LARGER QUESTIONNAIRE THAT'S NOT HMIS, SOME PEOPLE, IT MIGHT BE FROM 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO.
THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK THEY RECALL.
THANK YOU. SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR RESIDENTS ON HOMELESSNESS, ESPECIALLY THOSE VISIBLE HOMELESS. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIVERSION AND THE DIFFERENT BREAKDOWNS OF POPULATIONS, THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET DEEPER INTO.
THOSE WHO ARE ONE PAYCHECK AWAY OR HAVE BEEN HOMELESS FOR A MONTH OR 2 OR 3 MONTHS, BUT WE'RE REALLY STRUGGLING, IN MY OPINION, ON THOSE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ON OUR STREETS FOR FOR MONTHS SINCE WE CAN GO BACK, SINCE WHEN THE BRIDGE OPENED, OR SINCE THE TIME THAT THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS WAS CREATED.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS, ON THE NEW STREET OUTREACH TEAM, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE HIRED BY THE CITY OR BY REAL, THE REAL TIME HOUSING BOARD? SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE ATTORNEYS RIGHT NOW AND WHAT THAT VEHICLE FOR FUNDING WILL LOOK LIKE, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE AN RFP BY THE CITY OR A SOLE SOURCE, WE'RE NOT SURE YET. AND OUR GOAL IS JUST TO GET THAT DONE EXPEDITIOUSLY.
AND OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE.
WHERE ARE WE WITH THE $10 MILLION COMMITMENT THAT'S BEING RAISED PRIVATELY? DO YOU MEAN THAT 10 MILLION PHILANTHROPIC FROM HOUSING FORWARD? YES, FROM THE ORIGINAL DALLAS REAL TIME.
WE'VE FULLY FINISHED THAT RAISE.
AND WE'RE UTILIZING THAT FOR SUCH THINGS AS FLEX FUND, THE LANDLORD INCENTIVE, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I DO WANT TO TO PROVIDE CLARITY ON THE CHRONIC UNHOUSED NUMBERS BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN BUILDING UP AN INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE KNOW THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO ENHANCE OUR ABILITIES TO TARGET PEOPLE LIVING OUTSIDE, WHICH TRADITIONALLY NOT ONLY ARE UNSHELTERED BUT HAVE BEEN UNHOUSED FOR A LONG TIME, WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE THAT NUMBER.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, AND I JUST HAVE TO PUSH BACK ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SEEING.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE POPULATIONS ARE COMING OUT OF OUR GREENBELTS AND OUT OF OUR PARKS AND ARE NOW BEING MORE VISIBLE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT I'M SEEING EACH AND EVERY SINGLE DAY.
HOW MANY INCLEMENT WEATHER BEDS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY PERMANENT BEDS? SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SO WE CAN SEE WHICH DISTRICTS WE STILL NEED TO WORK ON TO SHARE THAT OVER THE
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CITY. WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL MEMBER GAYE WILLIS.SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU MENTION A BREAKDOWN OF BEDS, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE SYSTEM NOW AND NOT WHAT'S COMING FORWARD? OR DO YOU WANT A COMBINATION OF BOTH JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ANSWER THE QUESTION CORRECTLY? I THINK IT'S FAIR IF WE ONLY HAVE BOTH, BUT IF WE CAN MAYBE HIGHLIGHTED IN A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE AND THEN.
AND WHAT'S THE PLAN. YEAH. OKAY.
SO COMING BACK JUST TO A FEW THINGS ON SLIDE SIX.
THE MIDDLE POINT THAT TALKS ABOUT CREATING PATHWAYS INTO 480 NEW PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SLOTS.
AND MS. CROSSLEY, YOU MENTIONED NOVEMBER 2023.
ARE WE SAYING 480 ARE COMING ONLINE IN NOVEMBER 2023? SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO ASK JOLI TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT'S THROUGH HOUSING FRAUD.
AND SOME OF THAT IS THROUGH HUD.
SOME OF THAT IS THROUGH PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER ENTITIES HOLDING THOSE VOUCHERS.
OKAY. SO IT'S WHEN WE OUR SYSTEM TALKS ABOUT 480 NEW PSA.
IT'S THE VOUCHER SUBSIDY, NOT THE DEVELOPMENT OF 480 NEW UNITS, IF THAT'S MAKING SENSE.
AND THEN IT'S NOT 480 IN NOVEMBER.
SO WHAT PERIOD WHAT WAS THE STARTING POINT? WAS THAT 2019 OR IS IT? NO THE 480, REALLY THE STARTING POINT IS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, FROM THE MOU OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, AND I THINK WE EXPECT TO START SEEING THEM COME ONLINE BECAUSE IT'S A COMMITMENT FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE COUNTY FOR CERTAIN VOUCHERS AND SUBSIDIES TO COME ONLINE MONTH TO MONTH, AND WE HOPE THEY BEGIN HITTING OUR SYSTEM IN NOVEMBER.
YOU MIGHT BE REFERRING TO THE 758 HOUSING VOUCHERS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY DONE THROUGH THE DALLAS REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE, AND THOSE HAVE, I BELIEVE, ALL BEEN, HAVE THOSE ALL BEEN UTILIZED AT THIS TIME? YES. SO THESE ARE NEW? YEAH. I HOPE WHEN WE WITH THE GLOSSARY CREATION, I THINK WE'LL HELP PROVIDE SOME CLARITY AROUND WHAT OUR SYSTEM TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO WHAT OUR SYSTEM, OUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM CONSIDERS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING VERSUS WHAT A DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WILL BE HELPFUL IN WHATEVER INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO GET THAT CLARITY OR WHAT AN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT CONSIDERS UNHOUSED OR UNACCOMPANIED, AND WHAT, WE'LL BE SURE TO ADD THAT INFORMATION TO THE GLOSSARY.
OKAY. ON SLIDE SEVEN, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE KIDS EXITING THE WELFARE SYSTEM.
I THINK IT'S INTENDED TO SAY 50% OF YOUTH EXITING ARE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A HUGE NUMBER.
BUT AS WE'RE CONSIDERING OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE A HARD LOOK TO WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS CAN GET BEHIND TO HELP MAKE THAT TRANSITION SMOOTHER.
AND THEN FINALLY, WELL, I GUESS ONE OTHER POINT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING AUDIT, ET CETERA.
DO YOU KNOW IF THERE HAS BEEN A SEGMENTATION STUDY DONE EITHER AT A NATIONAL LEVEL OR STATE LEVEL OR WHEREVER IT MAY BE? AND WHAT I MEAN IS KIND OF PERSONIFYING WHAT THE SEGMENTS OF HOMELESSNESS ARE.
WE KNOW THERE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE JUST BEEN BRIEFLY KNOCKED DOWN, WHO IT'S EASIER TO STAND THEM UP ALL THE WAY TO THE SERVICE RESISTANT, WHO DON'T WANT TO BE HOUSED TO THE PIECES IN BETWEEN. IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN POINT TO THAT HELPS UNDERSTAND? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PSYCHOGRAPHICS BEHIND THIS? BESIDES JUST THE DEMOGRAPHICS? LET ME BE SURE I'M GOING TO REPEAT IT AND HOPE I CAUGHT THAT.
YOU'RE ASKING, IS THERE A SEGMENTATION LIKE FOR CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS AND SAYING CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS IS DEFINED AS THESE INDIVIDUALS? WELL, IN A WAY, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PIE, WHAT ARE THE SLICES OF THE PIE? HOW BIG ARE THEY? BUT REALLY, WHAT ARE THE WHAT'S THE PSYCHOLOGICAL ASPECT OF THIS.
SOME PEOPLE ARE THIS IS NEW TO THEM AND THEY WANT TO BE HOUSED AND THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY MAYBE THEY LOST A JOB OR HAD A HEALTH INCIDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO JUST TO KIND OF HELP IDENTIFY THE BEST WAY TO GET AT THE NEEDS OF THESE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS.
SOMETIMES THESE THINGS ARE DONE NATIONALLY.
THERE IS A NATIONAL PICTURE OF HOMELESSNESS.
BUT YES, THERE IS A BIG PICTURE NATIONALLY OF HOMELESSNESS AND SEGMENTED BY POPULATIONS.
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THIS COULD BE AN OFFLINE DISCUSSION..THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, THANK YOU.
AND SO TEMPORARY HOUSING OR SHELTER IS STILL A MEANS TO GET TO THAT OUTCOME.
I THINK. HOUSING FORWARD, YOU HAVE A LANE.
I MEAN, JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE AT RISK FACTORS, YOU'RE SAYING NO, MY DEFINITION IS THIS.
WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON, AND TO THE POINT THAT THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER HAD BROUGHT UP, WAS ABOUT THE PHILOSOPHY OF HOW WE WANT TO WORK WITH SERVICE RESISTANT, HOW THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT TEMPORARY HOUSING AS AN OPTION TO HELP MOVE PEOPLE TO THE OUTCOME THAT WE ALL WANT. THERE IS ALSO THIS SEGMENT AROUND SERVICE RESISTANCE, AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN REFERENCED, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LAWS TO SUPPORT CERTAIN ACTION.
THE QUESTION IS, IS THE COST AND THE RESOURCES DIRECTED TOWARD THAT AND THE OUTCOME OF THAT.
IF SOMEONE GOES TO JAIL AND IS OUT IN TWO DAYS, I MEAN, WHO DOES THAT REALLY HELP? REALLY? NO ONE, EXCEPT FOR THE TWO DAYS WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE HAVING TO LIVE OUTSIDE.
SO I THINK THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
AND SO THAT TIME FRAME MEANS, YOU KNOW, BY Q1 NEXT YEAR, WE NEED TO REALLY BE COMBING THROUGH THIS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WOULD BE SO THAT WE CAN IF WE AGREE TO IT, I FEEL LIKE WE WILL, THAT WE CAN MOVE TOWARD IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND I AM ALSO HAPPY TO JUST REFLECTING ON ON WHERE WE'VE COME FROM.
WHEN WE SUNK $25 MILLION INTO THE DALLAS REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PROMISES THAT HOUSING FORD MADE THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PRESS RELEASE LAST WEEK AROUND THE 2700 PEOPLE, IS THAT THIS EFFORT WOULD BRING MORE MONEY TO THE TABLE.
AND SO WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE THE DALLAS FUNDING HAS BEEN UTILIZED.
AND SO I THINK IT FREES US UP TO FIGURE OUT CREATIVE WAYS TO DO MORE, WITH LESS FUNDING NOT BEING EXPECTED TO BRING ANOTHER $25 MILLION TO THE TABLE BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH FUNDING NOW COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT HOUSING FORD HAS ATTRACTED.
AND IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN ALSO FOR JUST A SECOND.
I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO, TO NOT ONLY LOOK AT WHAT OUR SUCCESSES ARE, BUT THERE ARE THERE WILL BE A CONTINUOUS NEED TO FURTHER FIND ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH THE COC AND ALL OF OUR OTHER CITY PARTNERS, THE COUNTY, AS WE LOOK AT FEDERAL FUNDING, BECAUSE WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE STARTED ON THIS JOURNEY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED, INCLUDING THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING INTO HOMELESSNESS.
SO WE DEFINITELY, WE DON'T LOOK AT THIS AS AN ANNUAL KIND OF BUDGETARY, WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN NOT ONLY TIGHTEN OUR BELT, BUT UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE TO GET TO THOSE OUTCOMES THAT WE KNOW THAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE.
SO FOR US, IT'S NOT A ONE TIME BUDGET THING.
WE ARE OUT THERE CONTINUOUSLY LOOKING FOR WHETHER IT'S NEW PARTNERSHIPS, WHETHER IT'S LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE THE EXISTING DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE, THAT NOT ONLY THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS PUT IN, BUT OTHERS.
AND SO, APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AROUND IT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO EVER BE, IN MY OPINION, AN END IN CONVERSATION WHERE WE WILL NOT BE TALKING ABOUT RESOURCES THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED. THE GOAL WOULD BE, AS WE CONTINUE TO SHOW SUCCESSES, THAT THAT OTHER FUNDING WILL COME NATURALLY AND WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO THEN FREE UP SOME OF OUR GENERAL FUND DOLLARS, THAT WE CAN DO MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO YOU AS WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THIS LAST YEAR AND GIVE YOU THOSE UPDATES AND NOT WAIT UNTIL THAT ONE KIND OF ANNUAL BUDGET CONVERSATION SO YOU CAN REALLY KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED, HOW THINGS ARE GOING, AS WELL AS IF WE NEED TO CHANGE DIRECTION.
AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD THE CONVERSATION AROUND TEMPORARY.
DEFINITELY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE TRULY SHOWING AND DEMONSTRATING THAT WE BELIEVE THE BEST USE OF OUR FUNDS WILL BE THAT LONG TERM SOLUTION VERSUS THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION, BUT DEFINITELY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL SO WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, BUT THANK YOU
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FOR THE COMMENTS THIS MORNING.VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN, TWO MINUTES, IF YOU HAVE ANY LAST QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, I'D ALSO LIKE TO INCLUDE THE OTHER CITIES.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S STRIKING TO ME THAT THE WORDS ADDICTION AND MENTAL HEALTH NEVER EVEN CAME UP IN THIS PRESENTATION WHEN SO MUCH OF THE UNHOUSED POPULATION IS STRUGGLING WITH ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE.
SO I THINK SOMETHING'S BEEN MISSED IN THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, THE THE LAST CLARIFYING QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, OF THE 148 BEDS THAT YOU SAY YOU HAVE FOR YOUTH, YOU MENTIONED JONATHAN'S HOUSE AND TRUCK, OF COURSE, CITY HOUSES AND THERE.
WHAT OTHER PROVIDERS ARE YOU INCLUDING IN THE 148 BEDS? I WISH MY MEMORY WAS A LOT BETTER THAN IT IS, BUT I THINK I MENTIONED ELEVATE NORTH TEXAS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ENTITIES WE INCLUDE THEM IN THE CONVERSATION AROUND BEDS.
WHO WAS I WAS JUST TALKING TO SOMEONE.
THANK YOU GUYS. I THINK THIS WAS A VERY HEALTHY CONVERSATION.
AND OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT AND FOR LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM US.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA TO GET MORE CLARITY IN HOW TO PROCEED.
SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ALREADY IN THE HMS DATA, BUT IS WHEN WE ARE.
OUR SERVICE WORKERS ARE WORKING WITH OUR UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS GETTING THAT SIMPLE INFORMATION NAME, AGE, RACE, HEALTH NEEDS AND ZIP CODE IS VERY CRITICAL IN THE WAY WE'RE PROVIDING SERVICES AND KNOWING WHERE WE NEED TO BE PLACING THESE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
AND WE CAN'T CONTINUE IN THE CONCENTRATION OF RESOURCES IN ONE SECTOR OR ONE PART OF DALLAS.
SO AGAIN, THIS WAS, I THINK, A GOOD CONVERSATION.
I LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE ENGAGEMENT.
WITH THAT, WE'LL NOW GO TO BRIEFING ITEM B.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOCUS ON MOVING FORWARD AND TRYING, JUST AS I SAID A MINUTE AGO, IS SPREADING THOSE RESOURCES THROUGHOUT VARIOUS DISTRICTS. AND SO I KNOW IT'S TAKEN US QUITE SOME TIME TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT THAT WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD AND HOW SOME INDIVIDUALS.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR YOUR WORK AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION.
MORENO FOR YOUR OPENING COMMENTS.
THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN IN THE PIPELINE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
YOU WILL HEAR IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION KIND OF THE BACKGROUND AROUND SOME OF THE THE MOVEMENT THAT WE HAD AND WHERE WE WHERE WE HAD SOME THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO WORK THROUGH WHAT WHICH WE WILL CALL THE CHALLENGES.
BUT TODAY WE ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO NOW MOVE THIS FORWARD.
DARWIN WADE, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF OUR HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION DEPARTMENT, HAS STEPPED IN TO PROVIDE A LOT OF SUPPORT THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED FOR THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS, WHICH OUR DIRECTOR, CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, IS ACTUALLY HAD HER HANDS AROUND THIS AS WELL.
AND SO WE ARE PLEASED TO BE HERE.
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PLAN TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT BY Q4 2024.SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DARWIN.
GOOD MORNING. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, DARWIN WADE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF HOUSING.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL PROVIDE A DETAILED ACCOUNT OF THE PROJECT FROM SITE ACQUISITION TO THE CURRENT STATUS AND HIGHLIGHTING OUR PURPOSE TODAY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS MUCH INTEREST IN THE STATUS OF THE 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE PROJECT.
WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE ENORMOUS NEED FOR SUCH A GREAT PROJECT, AND WE ARE 100% COMMITTED TO CONTINUING OUR EFFORTS TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION WHILE PROVIDING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR OUR UNSHELTERED RESIDENTS THAT NEED IT MOST.
WE WILL SHARE WITH YOU THE CHALLENGES FACED WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING THE CHALLENGES.
MOREOVER. THE PROJECT BUDGET INCLUDES THE NEEDED FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE DESIGN AND RENOVATIONS.
AND LASTLY, THE NEXT STEPS WILL PROVIDE A DETAILED ESTIMATE OF THE TIMELINE FROM OCTOBER THROUGH THE FOURTH QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 2024 ON SLIDE THREE.
YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE HISTORY, THE BACKGROUND.
SO THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS, MAJOR HOMELESS INITIATIVES BY COUNCIL DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE COX GOALS TO RAPIDLY EXPAND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING INVENTORY.
BEST PRACTICES LOCALLY, STATEWIDE AND NATIONALLY HAVE PROVEN THAT PSH, OR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS AN EVIDENCE BASED HOUSING MODEL THAT IS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
AS A RESULT, THE CITY ACQUIRED THE SITE AND COMPLETED THE ACQUISITION IN DECEMBER OF 2020.
ADDITIONALLY, THE CONTRACT SIGNING WAS DELAYED AFTER THE REZONING PROCESS, FOLLOWED BY THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON APRIL 7TH, 2022.
ON SLIDE FOUR, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY WAS FURTHER DELAYED BY THE ASBESTOS REMEDIATION EFFORTS, WHICH WERE COMPLETED IN MARCH OF 2022 AT AN ADDITIONAL COST OF ABOUT $284,000, ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL DELAYS LEADING TO COST INCREASES SUCH AS SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES DUE TO THE PANDEMIC, DURING THE SUMMER OF 2022, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT OHS, THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS PARTNER WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO LEVERAGE THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE OF OUR STAFF.
ALSO, THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR RENOVATIONS AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WAS SPLIT INTO TWO.
THE CITY RETAINED THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT FOR OPERATIONS WITH CITY SQUARE, AND SOUGHT A SEPARATE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THE RENOVATIONS TO BE SPEARHEADED BY THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
HOWEVER, ON DECEMBER 21ST, 2022, CITY SQUARE OPTED TO CEASE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AS CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WERE UNSUCCESSFUL DUE TO INTERNAL CHANGES IN THEIR SCOPE OF BUSINESS.
FOLLOWING THE CONTRACT SIGNING AS THE CITY'S AGENT, CBRE, THEY BEGIN THE SOLICITATION EFFORTS, WHICH INCLUDED THE LAUNCHING OF THE WEBSITE TO SOLICIT PROPOSALS, SITE TOURS, VETTING AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SELECTING THE BEST QUALIFIED DEVELOPER TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN AND RENOVATIONS OF THE SITE.
AS A RESULT, ON APRIL 26TH, 2023, THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED TWO ACTIONS ONE THE PARTIAL RESCISSION OF THE RESOLUTION TO REMOVE THE AUTHORIZATION FOR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT SERVICES AND RENOVATIONS WITH CITY SQUARE, AND AUTHORIZING A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WITH UCR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE DESIGN AND RENOVATIONS.
NEXT, THE REMAINING SLIDES, WE WILL FOCUS ON PROVIDING UPDATES SINCE APRIL.
THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION THROUGH OCTOBER 2023.
SINCE APRIL, STAFF HAS CONTINUED TO WORK WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS THE OFFICE OF PROCUREMENT, OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THE BOND OFFICE, AS WELL AS OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, WE WILL PROVIDE UPDATES ON THE CBRE SOLICITATION AND THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THE DESIGN AND REDEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS ACTIONS TAKEN BY STAFF TO INCLUDE AN EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THE DESIGN AND RENOVATIONS.
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SO NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT CHALLENGES.AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, AS IN ANY PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE, THERE WILL BE CHALLENGES ALONG THE WAY.
OUR STANDARDS FOR OUR FUNDING, AS WELL AS THE CITY'S INTERNAL PROCUREMENT GUIDANCE.
AFTER CONSULTATION WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THE PROCUREMENT WAS DEEMED NULL AND VOID.
STAFF COMMUNICATED THIS INFORMATION TO CBRE AND THE SELECTED VENDOR.
NEXT, DURING THE MONTHS OF JUNE THROUGH JULY, STAFF ALONG WITH KEY DEPARTMENTS, WE WORKED TOGETHER COLLABORATIVELY TO DEVISE ALTERNATIVE WAYS TO MOVE THIS MUCH NEEDED PROJECT FORWARD DESPITE THE MANY CHALLENGES FACED.
IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE BEST OPTION WOULD BE TO EXPLORE THE EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT PROCESS UNDER THE STATE LAW, EXEMPTIONS DUE TO THE IMMEDIATE NEED AND URGENCY TO PRESERVE THE PROPERTY OF THE MUNICIPALITY AND TO PRESERVE OR PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY OF ITS RESIDENTS.
SO AS WE WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH THE MERCHANT PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURES AND THE INTERNAL APPROVALS NEEDED, HOUSING STAFF IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS INITIATED A SPECIAL NEED RFQ SOLICITATION FOR A SHORTLISTED A&E FIRMS, ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL MWB FIRMS THROUGH AN INFORMAL PROCESS ON SEPTEMBER THE 15TH.
THE DEADLINE FOR THE RFQ PROPOSALS WAS SEPTEMBER 25TH.
THE SELECTION COMMITTEE EVALUATED THE PROPOSALS AND SELECTED THE MOST QUALIFIED FIRM, AND WE ARE NOW IN THE FEE NEGOTIATION PROCESS WITH THAT SELECTED FIRM. NOW I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, OHS DIRECTOR, TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON GOING FORWARD.
SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS WHERE OUR CURRENT PROJECT BUDGET STANDS.
OUR TOTAL FOR RENOVATIONS IS JUST SHY OF 6 MILLION.
THE IDENTIFIED FUNDING IS 2.345 MILLION FROM THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM PROPOSITION J THAT HAS BEEN EARMARKED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.
AND THEN ARPA CITY OF DALLAS FUNDS 3.61 MILLION.
THERE'S AN ASTERISK THERE BECAUSE THIS IS THE SOURCE THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO USING, BUT WE ARE ALSO CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO OFFSET THAT SO THAT BOND MONEY CAN BE FREED UP TO BE UTILIZED IN OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.
AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE NEXT STEPS, AS DARWIN SAID, THAT AWARD IS OR EXCUSE ME, THAT PROPOSED AWARD IS GOING TO BE COMING TO COUNCIL IN OCTOBER. AND THEN BETWEEN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ISSUE OF NOTICE TO PROCEED FOR DESIGN WORK, NOVEMBER TO DECEMBER OF 2023.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A CITY COUNCIL RATIFICATION AND OR ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH SELECTED FIRM, AND A RESOLUTION RESCINDING THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION THAT AWARDED THE PROCUREMENT TO UCR DEVELOPMENT THE PREVIOUS SPRING.
MARCH 2024 WILL HAVE COMPLETION OF THE DESIGN PHASE BY THE FIRM, WHICH WILL THEN SWITCH OVER TO AN EMERGENCY RFP SOLICITATION FOR RENOVATIONS UTILIZING THAT COMPLETED DESIGN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT APRIL OF 2024 FOR AN AWARD, AWARD ITEM FOR CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THEN COMPLETION OF THE RENOVATION WITH IMMEDIATE ACTIVITY ON SITE BY THE PROVIDER SEPTEMBER OF 2024.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR FOR QUESTIONS.
I THINK IT'S SO CRITICAL THAT THAT WE ACCEPT THAT TIMELINE AND THAT WE DON'T HIDE AWAY, HIDE AWAY FROM IT, BUT THAT WE ARE TRUTHFUL. AND SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO THE TABLE.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL GO TO CHAIRMAN WEST.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE UPDATE CHRISTINE.
SO I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS AND SOME COMMENTS.
WE APPROVED THE 3.5 MILLION FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE MIRAMAR.
AND THIS WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2020.
NOW STAFF'S PROJECTING AN ADDITIONAL $6 MILLION FOR RENOVATION.
WHAT WAS THE COST OF THE ASBESTOS REMEDIATION.
AND IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE RENOVATION ESTIMATE OR NOT.
AND WERE WE ALSO AWARE DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE ASBESTOS REMEDIATION WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER.
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I BELIEVE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE SPECIFIC NUMBER NOW THAT THE ASBESTOS REMEDIATION COST AROUND $225,000, $224,000, AND WE WERE NOT AWARE OF IT WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED.WHY NOT? I WAS NOT HERE AT THE TIME, BUT I CAN SAY THAT WHEN THE BUILDING INSPECTION WAS DONE, ASBESTOS IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T GENERALLY SEE UNTIL YOU BREAK INTO A WALL, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS A VISIBLE TEST YOU CAN DO FOR ASBESTOS OR NOT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.
EVERY COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT I'VE DONE IN BISHOP ARTS, AND THERE'S BEEN LIKE SEVEN OF THEM.
NOW, I'VE HAD AN IDEA THAT ASBESTOS HAS BEEN IN MOST OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OLD.
SO WE WE SHOULD WE SHOULD KNOW.
I'M NOT SEEING THAT FUNDING ON SLIDE 11.
HAS THAT GONE AWAY? SO I'LL SPEAK TO THAT IF I MAY.
SO AS YOU KNOW, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK IT WAS APRIL OF THIS YEAR THAT WE FIRST DISCUSSED PUBLICLY THAT WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH DALLAS COUNTY. TO ACTUALLY RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL $10 MILLION THAT WE COULD USE FOR PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE.
WE'VE CONTINUED THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
THE COUNTY RECENTLY HAD A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT BREAKING THAT OUT ACROSS FOUR PROJECTS, AND THOSE PROJECTS TO BE WORKED AND DECIDED UPON BY THE COMMISSIONERS. AND SO WE ARE DEFINITELY CONTINUING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT HOW THE 10 MILLION WILL BE BROKEN OUT.
WE WOULD HOPE THAT AS WE CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH OF THIS PROJECT, THAT WE WILL GET SUPPORT.
BUT DEFINITELY THE CONVERSATIONS ARE STILL UNDERWAY FOR HOW THE PROJECTS WILL RECEIVE THAT FUNDING.
RIGHT NOW, THE ONE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FINAL, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE IN CONCURRENCE IS THE 4150 INDEPENDENCE PROJECT, AND THEY'VE ASKED US TO BRING THE OTHER ONES BACK, AND THEY WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO FUND.
SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO TRY TO CLOSE ANY GAPS THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU. SO AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
BOTTOM LINE IS THERE WAS COUNTY MONEY DEDICATED TO THIS.
IT'S NO LONGER THERE. WE'RE HOPING TO GET IT BACK.
THE COUNTY ORIGINALLY DID NOT GIVE US PROJECT SPECIFICS THAT THEY WANTED FOR FOR THE 10 MILLION.
SO DEFINITELY WE'LL NEED TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE 2.5 FOR THIS ONE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, OUR CONTRACT WITH CBRE TO MANAGE THE SOLICITATION PROCESS FOR THE DESIGN WORK AND THE DEVELOPMENT WORK THAT WAS ABORTED BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAID THAT CBRE WAS NOT ADHERING TO REQUIREMENTS FROM HUD AND FEDERAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, COUNCILMEMBER.
THAT IS CORRECT. WERE THOSE REQUIREMENTS COMMUNICATED TO CBRE FROM THE BEGINNING OR WERE THEY JUST EXPECTED TO KNOW IT? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS WITH CBRE PRIOR TO MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE PROJECT.
COUNCIL MEMBER. I THINK THE EXPECTATION WAS THAT THEY, THEY WERE OR SHOULD OR SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE PROCUREMENT STANDARDS FOR STATE LAW AS WELL AS OUR, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROJECT.
BUT I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THOSE CONVERSATIONS PRIOR TO WAS IT THEIR CITY ATTORNEY? WAS IT THEIR CONTRACTUAL RESPONSIBILITY TO BE AWARE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS? I MEAN, THE WHOLE THING FELL APART BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T COMPLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO. LEGACY WITH CONNIE TANKERSLEY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THEIR CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENT, ACTING AS OUR OWNER'S AGENT, SO TO SPEAK, TO GO OUT AND DO THE SOLICITATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCUREMENT RULES THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO IT'S THEIR CONTRACTUAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
YES. STAFF SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S IN THERE.
YES. AND IT WAS IN THERE FOR THIS ONE.
RIGHT. WE DID NOT DO THE CONTRACT FOR THIS ONE.
AND SO THEY DID IT UNDER A MORE LIKE A TASK UNDER THE BIG UMBRELLA CONTRACT WITH CBRE.
SO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE CONTRACT TO ENGAGE CBRE.
WHY? WHY WEREN'T YOU INVOLVED? BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT THAT WAS DONE WITH CBRE ALLOWS THE CITY TO GIVE THEM TASK.
AND SO IT WAS DONE UNDER THAT UMBRELLA AS A AS AN ADD ON.
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT ALL.I LIKE THE RESPONSE IN WRITING.
SO I CAN LIKE, MARINATE ON THAT PLEASE.
WHY DID STAFF NOT IMMEDIATELY BEGIN THE PROCUREMENT OF ANOTHER PROJECT PARTNER? WHY ARE WE NOW A YEAR OUT AND WE'RE JUST DOING THAT? WE DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY BEGIN A PROCUREMENT OF ANOTHER PROVIDER PARTNER, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL RFP FOR CITY SQUARE WAS DONE PRIOR TO MY TENURE, AND BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AT LENGTH, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WERE THINGS THAT THEY HAD WANTED BAKED IN THAT WERE NOT.
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO BE GOING FORWARD BEFORE THIS CHRISTMAS.
OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THERE HASN'T BEEN A PROJECTION OF THE COST OF FUNDING A PROJECT OPERATOR THAT I'VE SEEN, NOR LIKE THE RENTAL SUBSIDIES AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
WHAT ARE THESE PROJECTIONS LOOK LOOKING LIKE? WHAT WILL THEY LOOK LIKE AND WHO'S GOING TO PROVIDE THEM TO US.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WITH THE COC RIGHT NOW.
IT IS A ONE TIME COST FOR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES OF ABOUT 500,000, BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO OFFSET THE ONGOING COST, WORKING WITH THE COC TO IDENTIFY VOUCHERS THAT COULD BE UTILIZED TO STABILIZE THE PERMANENT SUPPORT OF HOUSING.
AND OF COURSE, CASE MANAGEMENT COMES WITH THAT.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING IN OUR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PIPELINE TO LOOK AT HOW TO SUSTAINABLY BRING ON PROPERTY OPERATOR, EXCUSE ME, PROPERTY MANAGER AND THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES. AND THAT'S ALL BEING DONE WITHIN THE CURRENT RFP TIMELINE TO GO LIVE BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
ALL RIGHT. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN AS TO WHETHER A PRIVATE SECTOR REDEVELOPER COULD KIND OF MANAGE THIS WHOLE PROCESS BETTER THAN WE COULD? WELL AND FROM FROM OUR STANDPOINT, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPOKE TO DEVELOPERS BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH THEM EVERY DAY AND THERE ARE DEVELOPERS THAT THEY SPECIALIZE IN PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
SO IN THE ORIGINAL SOLICITATION, THERE WERE THERE WAS A DEVELOPER THAT WAS INTERESTED.
SO THEY DID NOT APPLY OR SUBMIT A PROPOSAL.
BUT THERE ARE DEVELOPERS THAT DO THIS EVERY DAY, AND IT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
I MEAN, IT WOULD WHEN WE'RE DID STAFF SIT DOWN WITH LIKE SOME OF OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT BE BETTER FACILITATED. SO WE'RE NOT THREE YEARS OUT AND STILL DON'T HAVE A PROJECT, OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE KIND OF DID A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A SILO HERE? SO THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WORKGROUP WITH THE COC IS A NEWER FACET, SOMETHING THAT WE BROUGHT ON IN THE MIDST OF THIS HAPPENING AND ARE DEFINITELY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS NOW, BUT I THINK IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY LINE UP WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I DO KNOW THAT MOVING FORWARD, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN OUR BOND ASK FOR FOR OAS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SAY.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS EVERY TIME IT COMES UP IN MY DISTRICT, IT GENERATES AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE WHO EITHER ARE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, WHO ARE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO HELP IT, OR PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINST IT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND ARE LIKE, I TOLD YOU SO.
THE CITY WOULD NEVER GET THIS DONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING I SPENT A LOT OF POLITICAL CAPITAL ON.
I DREW AN OPPONENT JUST BECAUSE OF MY SUPPORT OF THIS.
AND EVEN DESPITE ALL THAT, I SHOWED UP AT THE HAMPTON HOSPITAL EVENT.
I GOT YELLED AT BY 300 PLUS PEOPLE AND ESCORTED OUT OF THERE AND CONTINUED TO SUPPORT THAT PROJECT.
I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE PROJECT DELAYS, THE COST, THE LACK OF AN OPERATOR PARTNER.
I'M CONCERNED THAT AFTER HAVING PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY THREE YEARS AGO, THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY THAT REMAINS AS TO THE RENOVATION DURATION AND THE COST AND THE COST OF SECURING AN OPERATING PARTNER AND RENTED SUBSIDIES AND TENANT SERVICES.
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MY NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE NEAR THE MIRAMAR, INCLUDING AT LEAST ONE THAT'S IN HERE, SHARE THEIR DISAPPOINTMENT AND CONCERN, AND THEY DESERVE BETTER.I'M ASKING STAFF TO COME UP WITH A REVISED PLAN TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS, INCLUDING A COMPLETE PROJECT PLAN THAT ADDRESSES NOT ONLY RENOVATION, BUT ALSO TIMING AND FUNDING FOR OPERATOR SELECTION, RENTAL SUBSIDIES AND TENANT SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.
WHILE THE CANDLEWOOD SUITES PROPERTY HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO A FAMILY SHELTER AND HAS AN EXCELLENT OPERATOR AND FAMILY GATEWAY, DELAYS IN SNAFU'S BY SEVERAL CITY DEPARTMENTS HAVE ADDED WELL OVER $1 MILLION OF AVOIDABLE COST TO THE CITY AND TAXED THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND MANAGEMENT TIME OF OUR VALUED PARTNER FAMILY GATEWAY.
WE CAN JUST STICK TO THAT ONE ITEM PLEASE.
THANK YOU. FOR THESE REASONS, I ASK THAT THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT OF THE THREE REMAINING PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THIS ONE, BE REEXAMINED FOR ADEQUACY RELATIVE TO PRIVATE SECTOR ALTERNATIVES, AS RECOMMENDED BY MAYOR JOHNSON'S HOPE TASK FORCE, AND THAT NO ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES BE PURCHASED UNTIL THIS REEXAMINATION TAKES PLACE.
BUT MY I WANT THIS TO BE SUPPORTIVE.
I'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
I WANT THIS TO HAVE A HAPPY ENDING.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD US AND THE FRUSTRATIONS ON THE TIME IT'S TAKEN TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BUT I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST STEP IN RECOGNIZING THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD BE DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR LISTENING AND FOR THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
WITH THAT WE'LL GO TO VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
AND YOU'VE TAKEN MOST OF THE ONES ON MY LIST OFF MY PAPER.
I ALSO WOULD CONSIDER SIGNING YOUR MEMO.
SO LET ME JUST START WITH THIS.
WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO ACTUALLY MOVE INTO THIS BUILDING? THE PROJECTION FOR THAT IS SEPTEMBER OF 2024.
COUNCIL MEMBER. I MEAN, THE TIMELINE OF THIS IS JUST PRETTY OUTRAGEOUS.
I MEAN, HERE WE SIT IN CONTRAST WITH HOUSING FORWARD, TALKING ABOUT OVER 4000 PEOPLE IN OUR CITY, HOMELESS AND THE URGENCY OF IT AND THE URGENCY OF HAVING HOUSING.
AND WE SAT WITH A BUILDING FOR ESSENTIALLY THREE YEARS.
IT'S VACANT AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
WE HAVE LITERALLY HOUSING GROUPS DEMONSTRATING OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL ASKING FOR THIS EXACT KIND OF PROJECT, EVEN ASKING FOR IT TO BE IN A BOND WHERE WE'VE INVESTED MONEY AND IT'S JUST VACANT.
SO. I JUST THINK IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE.
AND THEN WE KEEP HAVING NEW PRODUCTS BROUGHT FORWARD THAT ARE ALSO VACANT.
IF WE COULD GO TO SLIDE 11, I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING AN ITEM ON THERE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY 2.5 MILLION CITY ARPA FUNDS TO BE REIMBURSED? SOURCE TO BE DETERMINED.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, EXACTLY? SO WE ARE, THANK YOU.
SO THOSE FUNDS AND IT'S THE 3.6 THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO THE RENOVATIONS BUDGET IS IS COVERED.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE OTHER PLACES THAT THOSE ARPA DOLLARS COULD GO.
BUT IF THAT SHOULD NOT COME TO PASS, THIS PROJECT IS STILL FULLY FUNDED.
SO YOU'RE PREPARED TO USE OUR ARPA DOLLARS ON THE PROJECT AS OUTLINED IN THE BUDGET.
BUT IF YOU COULD OFFLOAD IT FOR THE COUNTY, YOU WILL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL $10 MILLION THAT THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT SINCE APRIL OF HAVING THAT COME OVER TO THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
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BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THE FUNDING THAT'S PRESENTED ON SLIDE 11.
OKAY. SO IS THAT A YES THAT THE 3.6 WOULD THEN COME FROM CITY OF DALLAS? YES. THAT'S WHAT'S IDENTIFIED ON SLIDE 11.
OKAY. SO I WANT TO GO TO THE QUESTION ABOUT TESTING FOR ASBESTOS.
UM, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, KIM, MAYBE THIS QUESTION IS FOR YOU.
ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT WHEN WE PURCHASE REAL ESTATE, WE DON'T TEST FOR THAT? I'LL HAVE TO BRING UP OUR ONE OF OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, WHO WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FURTHER ABOUT THE WHOLE ASBESTOS PROCESS. MAGIC.
GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
MS.. MENDELSOHN, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION FOR ME, PLEASE? DO WE TEST FOR ASBESTOS WHEN WE PURCHASE PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW THAT.
OKAY. IF WE DON'T, I SURE WOULD LOVE IT IF OUR CHAIR WOULD PUT THIS BACK AS AN ITEM THAT WE PERHAPS ADOPT A POLICY THAT SAYS PROPERTIES OF A CERTAIN AGE THAT THE CITY IS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING WOULD ALWAYS BE TESTED FOR ASBESTOS.
THANK YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT THE CBRE CONTRACT.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MAIN CONTRACT VERSUS SOME TASKS THAT COULD BE DELEGATED.
AND AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU SAYING THE BIG CONTRACT WITH CBRE DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO FOLLOW STATE AND FEDERAL LAW? LET ME LET ME ANSWER THAT.
AND I HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT KBR'S CONTRACT.
AND I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER WEST FOR ASKING THE QUESTION.
CVR A'S CONTRACT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND I REMEMBER WHEN WHEN WE DID THE CONTRACT, IT WAS ABOUT ACQUISITION. OUR IT WAS ABOUT DISPOSITION, AS WELL AS FINDING OTHER PROPERTIES FOR US TO EITHER LEASE OR OR CONTROL FOR THAT MATTER.
AND SO THE CBRE CONTRACT WAS USED TO TRY TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS FOR 1954, FOURTH AVENUE AND HOUSING WAS TRYING TO FIND THE EASIEST OR THE FASTEST WAY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF, TAKE CARE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO, TO THIS SPECIFIC ADDRESS.
SO WHETHER WE DID AND I WANT TO BE FAIR ABOUT THIS, WHETHER WE DID EXPLICITLY EXPLAIN TO THEM THE SOURCE OF FUNDING AND, AND WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, AND IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING UP WITH THE CONTRACT OR NOT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER, BUT THERE IS THAT POSSIBILITY THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE INITIALLY GIVEN THEM THE FULL DETAILS OF WHAT THE FUNDING IS ABOUT AND AND THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE FAIR TO ALL PARTIES INCLUDED.
I HAVE ONE MORE AND THEN I WON'T NEED A SECOND ROUND.
AND IT'S JUST A FOLLOW UP FOR THAT COMMENT FROM MAJID, WHICH IS TO SAY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT WHEN THIS IS A HUD FUNDED PROJECT, IT REQUIRES A LOT OF TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS, SPECIFIC GUIDELINES TO BE FOLLOWED, ABOUT PAY, ABOUT PROCEDURES, ABOUT INSPECTIONS.
IT'S IT'S VERY COMPLICATED ACTUALLY, AND IT GREATLY IN COST GREATLY INCREASES THE COST OF ANY PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S A HUD PROJECT. AND I'M REALLY SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT ANSWER.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT AS AN OWNER'S AGENT.
I MEAN, IT JUST FEELS LIKE THE CITY HAS SOME DAMAGES, SOME LOSSES HERE.
CONSTRUCTION COSTS, STAFF TIME INVOLVED IN THIS OVER THIS, YOU KNOW, BEING AWARDED FROM DECEMBER 2020 AND THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROCUREMENT ISSUES WERE HAPPENING EARLIER THIS YEAR.
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AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS LOOKED AT THIS OR IT SOUNDS LIKE NOW WE'VE GOT MORE TO COMB THROUGH ABOUT WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IT REALLY WAS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NATURE OF THE PROCUREMENT WAS.I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING OVER THERE.
I MEAN, ARE WE EXAMINING THIS SITUATION MORE CLOSELY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THINGS WENT WRONG? MY APOLOGIES.
WAS THERE A QUESTION DIRECTED FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? WELL, YEAH, I GUESS ULTIMATELY I WANT TO KNOW, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? SO WHERE DID THE RESPONSIBILITY LIE? I MEAN, IS IT WITH THE OWNER'S AGENT? IS IT UP TO THE CITY TO EDUCATE, EDUCATE OUR CONTRACTED PARTNER ON A PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT MAY BE MORE CUMBERSOME AND DETAILED? AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WHEN WE KNOW THAT, IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE HAVE SOME SORT OF DAMAGES OR THE TAXPAYERS DO ON PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, NOT BEING ONLINE ON CONSTRUCTION COSTS, LABOR COSTS, ETCETERA, THAT'S BEEN LANGUISHING.
SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND AS IT RELATES TO THAT.
I BELIEVE IN THE EARLIER CONVERSATIONS WITH CBRE AT THE TIME, THE FUNDING SOURCE WAS NOT KNOWN WHEN WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE THE SOLICITATION.
SO THE FUNDING SOURCE OF ARPA WAS NOT KNOWN.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO CBRE.
CBRE HAD A DIFFERENT TAKE ON PROCUREMENT FROM A PRIVATE SECTOR STANDPOINT.
THEIR APPROACH WAS TO COMBINE THE RFQ AND THE RFP TOGETHER AS A ONE STEP PROCESS VERSUS A TWO STEP PROCESS, BECAUSE A DESIGN OF THE BUILDING WAS INCLUDED BASED ON STATE LAW AND OUR INTERNAL PROCUREMENT POLICIES, THOSE PROCESSES HAVE TO BE SEPARATED. YOU HAVE TO DO THE RFQ FIRST TO DETERMINE THE BEST QUALIFIED FIRM FOR THE DESIGN PORTION.
AND THEN ONCE THAT FIRM IS SELECTED, THEN YOU WOULD GO INTO YOUR RFP PORTION OF THAT.
ONCE WE REALIZED THAT WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEYS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WENT WRONG WITH THAT SOLICITATION WAS THERE WAS NO PUBLIC OUTREACH AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, THERE WAS A WEBSITE, BUT NOTHING FROM A STANDPOINT OF A PUBLIC NOTICE.
ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THIS PROCUREMENT PROCESS RELATED TO ONCE WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE ARPA FUNDING WITH THIS PROJECT, THERE WERE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE REQUIRED BY THE FEDS AS IT RELATES TO FEDERAL PROCUREMENT STANDARDS.
SO HAVING SAID ALL THAT, WHEN WE FINALLY GOT TO THE POINT OF CONTRACTING, THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF THIS CAME OUT, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO PULL IT BACK AND START AGAIN.
AND IT'S A CHALLENGE AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE CHALLENGES.
THANK YOU DARWIN FOR FOR THAT.
I THINK WHAT WE WANTED TO DO TODAY WAS TO NOT SPEND ALL OF OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT THE CHALLENGES, BECAUSE THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE, AND WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH THIS PROCESS THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO PUT IN PLACE, EVEN WITHIN OUR INTERNAL TEAMS AS WE WORK, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH PROCUREMENT, THROUGH HOUSING, THROUGH OHS AND THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND I KNOW I HEARD THE COMMENT COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN MENTIONED THE SEPTEMBER DATE IS TOO FAR.
WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU WHAT WE BELIEVE IS REALISTIC AND WHAT WE BELIEVE IS FEASIBLE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO MEMBER CHAIR WEST, THROUGH OUR REPEATED CONVERSATIONS, WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE GONE WRONG.
AND WE CAN PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
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PROJECT PLAN THAT WE BELIEVE IS FEASIBLE, WITH A REALISTIC EXPECTATION OF WHAT WE CAN DELIVER BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, AND WILL DEFINITELY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE FEEDBACK, THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY.BUT WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO DELIVERING THE PROJECT.
ONE MORE. WELL, IT'S JUST A FOLLOW ON.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THIS.
IN ADDITION TO CONSIDERING THE PLAN FORWARD, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK BACK AND TO CHAIR WEST POINT.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE COMING ONLINE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOND MONEY AND OTHER FUNDS AND INVESTING IN FUTURE PROJECTS.
AND SO THIS IS THE DUTY AND OBLIGATION OF A COUNCIL MEMBER TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN WEST, THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS, KIM.
AND YOU HAVE EVERY TIME I'VE ASKED FOR AN UPDATE, YOU HAVE PROVIDED IT TO ME.
IT'S JUST I JUST DON'T LIKE THE UPDATES.
I THINK THAT'S THAT'S MY ISSUE.
AND I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE LISTENING TO THESE GREAT QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES, LIKE, IT BRINGS ME BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE THE CITY IS TRYING TO BE THE PROJECT MANAGER HERE, AND WE'VE GOT THE DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT THAT THIS PROJECT IS BOUNCING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, HOMELESSNESS, HOUSING.
LIKE, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A DEDICATED PROJECT MANAGER WHO IS NOT IN THE CITY, WHO IS NOT MIRED IN THE RED TAPE AROUND THIS PLACE, WHO CAN ACTUALLY JUST TAKE THIS PROJECT AND OUR OTHERS AND ACTUALLY DO THEM AND, AND COME TO US AND COME TO KIM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY RUN INTO THE RED TAPE THAT WE KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO RUN INTO AT THE CITY. AND SO LIKE, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON ANYONE, BUT LIKE FAMILY GATEWAY OR CATHOLIC HOUSING INITIATIVE, SOMEONE WHO WILL DRIVE THESE PROJECTS AND GET THEM FROM START TO FINISH THROUGH ALL THESE HURDLES AND WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS HOW TO DO THE REPORTING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO PUSH FOR.
SO I DO WANT TO GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR FOR THE EFFORT.
PERHAPS IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE DOING MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO I DO WANT TO THANK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE.
BUT ABSOLUTELY, MY COLLEAGUES ARE RIGHT.
IT IS OUR JOB TO BE ABLE TO IN OUR OBLIGATION TO.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE STAFF TODAY, IS IF WE NEED TO HEAD IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, MAYBE NOT ON THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, BUT ON THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE, A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, THE WILLINGNESS IS THERE FROM STAFF.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE TRANSPARENT.
WE GOT TO BE MORE DIRECT AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS SOONER THAN LATER.
AND SO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL ASKED.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO ON TO OUR NEXT BRIEFING OR EXCUSE ME, BRIEFING ITEM C.
CHAIR MORENO, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE DONE BY KEVIN JAMES, WHO IS WITH THE CORPORATION FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
AND I'LL JUST DO A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRODUCTION WHILE WE BRING THE BRING THE SLIDES UP.
AND SO WE SAID WE'D BRING IT BACK.
AND SO I'M GLAD, AS THE CHAIR SAID, THAT THIS IS OUR END PRESENTATION, BECAUSE IT REALLY GETS INTO COST AVOIDANCE STRATEGIES THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AS AN INTERVENTION.
SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO KEVIN JAMES.
OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CHRISTINE.
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CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? OKAY. PERFECT.SO AGAIN AS CHRISTINE MENTIONED..
YOU'RE LOW, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC OR TURN UP YOUR VOLUME.
IS THIS BETTER? WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING IT TURNED UP IN THE CHAMBERS.
KEVIN, DO YOU WANT TO TRY SAYING SOMETHING AGAIN? SURE. DOES THIS WORK FOR EVERYBODY? YES. THANK YOU.
OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. CHRISTINE AGAIN, IT'S CHRISTINE MENTIONED.
MY NAME IS KEVIN JAMES. I'M A SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER WITH THE CORPORATION FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
AND WE CAN PROCEED TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AS A BRIEF OVERVIEW ABOUT SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WE'LL BE COVERING TODAY.
WE'LL BE ONE GOING OVER JUST BRIEF INTRODUCTIONS.
BUT THEN TO CHRISTINE'S POINT, REALLY COVERING THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND THE WAY WE FRAME TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS REALLY PRESENTING NATIONAL LEVEL DATA AND FOCUSING ON WHAT'S GOING ON NATIONALLY, AND THEN REALLY HONING IN ON HOW SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WORKS, LOOKS AND OPERATES IN TEXAS SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME COMMUNITY EXAMPLES FROM OUR NEIGHBORS IN SAN ANTONIO AND AUSTIN ON HOW THEY AND SOME OF THE HEALTH AND COST BENEFIT OUTCOMES RELATED TO SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SPECIFICALLY.
SO WHEN WE THINK THE COST OF HOMELESSNESS, I'D LIKE TO FRAME IT IN WHO ARE WE ACTUALLY SPEAKING ABOUT HERE, AS SO MANY OF YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT ON TODAY'S CALL, THE VALIDITY RELATED TO THE HOMELESSNESS DATA AS WELL AS WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN THOSE SECTIONALITIES? SO AGAIN, AS WE THINK ABOUT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND CONSIDER SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, THE POPULATION OF FOCUS TYPICALLY IS OUR CHRONIC HOMELESS POPULATION. SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE LONG EXTENDED PERIODS OF HOMELESSNESS BUT ALSO HAVE A DISABLING CONDITION.
TO COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN'S POINT OF WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE.
SO WHEN WE TALK EXPLICITLY ABOUT THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS POPULATION, WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ONLY HOMELESS AND HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, BUT THOSE ARE OUR INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE A DISABLING CONDITION BASED ON HUD'S DEFINITION OF DISABLING CONDITION.
THAT LIST IS NOT EXTENSIVE, BUT THERE ARE A FEW CONDITIONS THAT OPERATE UNDERNEATH THAT.
SO AGAIN, HERE WE HAVE NATIONALLY WHAT IS THE TOTAL POPULATION OF HOMELESSNESS.
AND AS WE GET TO THE LAST PART WHERE WE SEE THE HEART, THAT'S REALLY DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY.
THESE FIGURES ARE FROM THE 2022 POINT IN TIME COUNT.
AND I WANTED TO USE THESE FIGURES BECAUSE NATIONALLY, HUD HAS NOT PRODUCED THE 2023 NUMBERS.
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HOMELESSNESS. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT CAVEAT THAT THIS IS NOT THE MOST RECENT DATA FOR DALLAS, JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER DATA POINTS FOR THE STATE AS WELL AS NATIONALLY.NEXT SLIDE. SO AS WE FOCUS ON THE POPULATION AT HAND, WE OFTEN SEE AND DATA HAS SHOWN US THAT WHETHER A PERSON IS CHRONICALLY HOMELESS OR NOT, THAT STUDIES CONSISTENTLY SHOW THAT PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A HIGHER AND A GREATER EMERGENCY ROOM USAGE, GREATER INPATIENT ADMISSIONS, AND ALSO LONGER HOSPITAL STAYS THAN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THEIR HOUSE COUNTERPARTS.
AND YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS SLIDE REALLY DOES IT REALLY DOES DISPLAY AGAIN WHAT IS THAT CYCLE OF HOMELESSNESS AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON OUR ECONOMY AND HOW DOES THAT LOOK FOR US ALL.
SO JOLI TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WHEN ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED THE SYSTEM AT LARGE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR CYCLE THROUGH HOMELESSNESS, SHELTER PEOPLE IN SHELTERS ARE STILL CONSIDERED HOMELESS PEOPLE WHO ARE IN TRANSITIONAL OR TEMPORARY HOUSING OFTEN TIMES ARE STILL CONSIDERED HOMELESS.
AND BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES AROUND THE ECONOMICAL IMPACT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE JUST REALLY HONE IN HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT QUANTITATIVE FIGURES HERE, BUT WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT OF HOMELESSNESS IN ITSELF.
SO WE KNOW HOMELESSNESS IN ITSELF IS TRAUMATIC PEOPLE.
SO AGAIN, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT HERE, JUST RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL IMPACT OF HOMELESSNESS THAT WE'RE NOT CAPTURING HERE JUST FOR THE THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
SO WHAT IS THAT ECONOMICAL IMPACT? SO AGAIN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOMELESSNESS ACROSS THE NATION THIS IS NATIONAL DATA HERE.
AND THOSE STAYS SOMETIMES ARE FOUR DAYS LONGER.
SO THAT COST, AS WE THINK ABOUT THAT, COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM $2000 TO $4000 A DAY.
AND AS WE THINK AGAIN AND CONSIDER THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT, AND YOU SCALE THAT FOR AN ANNUAL FIGURE, YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT 2000 TO $4000 PER DAY AT FIVE TIMES THE RATE OF PEOPLE COMPARED TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HOUSED.
IF YOU TALK TO ANYONE IN YOUR PSYCHIATRIC EMERGENCY ROOMS IN TEXAS, THEY WILL LET YOU KNOW.
SO OFTENTIMES THOSE PEOPLE ARE LABELED AS MALINGERING.
I THINK WE DID. WE SKIP A SLIDE.
SO OKAY YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO HERE WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE ORANGE.
AND THEN IN THE AUBURN OR THE BURGUNDY YOU'LL SEE THE POST SUPPORTIVE HOUSING USAGE.
SO WHEN YOU ADD UP AGAIN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FIVE TIMES THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT VISITS JAIL, YOU KNOW, CONTACTS AND ENGAGEMENTS WITH POLICE OFFICERS, WE DO SEE A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THOSE ENGAGEMENTS ONCE A PERSON IS HOUSED.
AND THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THAT AS WELL AS THE COST SAVINGS THAT GOES INTO EACH OF THOSE PUBLIC ENTITIES JUST BY HOUSING INDIVIDUALS.
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NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR NEXT SECTION WILL FOCUS ON WELL HOW DO WE FINANCE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.AND I BELIEVE CHRISTINE AND DARWIN, THEY MENTIONED THIS AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS AS THEY AS THEY BRIEFED US ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE. AND THIS IS THIS IS HERE AT OUR BREAD AND BUTTER.
SO WE USE A THREE LEGGED STOOL MODEL WHICH FOCUSES ON THREE LARGE BUCKETS TO NOT AGAIN, TO NOT ONLY DEVELOP SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, BUT TO SUSTAIN SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SO WE CAN GET THOSE OUTCOMES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION.
SO HOW DO WE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT? AND I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN WEST OR COUNCIL MEMBER WEST ALSO TALKED ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? I MEAN, WHERE ARE THE SERVICES IN THESE CONVERSATIONS? WHERE ARE THE RENTAL SUBSIDIES AND OPERATING SUBSIDIES FOR THESE CONVERSATIONS? AND THOSE ARE THOSE ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THEY'RE KEY AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF SUPPORTIVE HOUSING? IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE THE CAPITAL END OF IT, WHICH IS THE HOUSING, BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED SO THAT THEY CAN NOT ONLY MAINTAIN THAT HOUSING, I MEAN OBTAIN IT, BUT THAT WAY THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE HOUSING AND THRIVE IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO DO.
SO AGAIN, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD AND THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE SCALE OUR SYSTEM TO MEET THE NEED.
AND I HEAR CHRISTINE MENTIONED THE HOUSING BOND, REALLY FOCUSING ON THESE THREE BUCKETS OF HOW DO WE ACTUALLY SUPPORT THIS THREE LEGGED STOOL CAPITAL OPERATING AND SERVICES. WE CAN'T HAVE HOUSING WITHOUT SERVICES, AND WE CAN'T HAVE SERVICES WITHOUT HOUSING TO PUT PEOPLE INTO.
NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS HAPPENS BY HAVING A COORDINATED EFFORT AT THE CITY LEVEL, THE COUNTY LEVEL AND THE PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY AS WELL.
WHEN WE SEE THE SUCCESSES OF PLACES LIKE HOUSTON, PLACES LIKE DENVER, WITH THEIR SOCIAL IMPACT BOND, WE REALLY WE REALLY SEE THIS COORDINATED FUNDING AND CONCERTED FUNDING EFFORT FROM ALL OF OUR PARTNERS THAT PROVIDE FUNDING AT THE CITY LEVEL, THE COUNTY LEVEL, AND THE PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY COMING IN TO EXTENSIVELY INVEST IN SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IN TEXAS.
SO AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN COORDINATE AND, YOU KNOW, BUILD ON THOSE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN PLACE ALREADY, REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC SECTOR, BUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR WITH OUR PHILANTHROPIC PARTNERS AS WELL IN THIS PROCESS, SO THAT WE CAN SCALE THE CURRENT SOLUTIONS OF RAPID REHOUSING AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING TO MEET THE NEED OF DALLAS AT LARGE.
NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS NEXT SECTION IS REALLY BRIEF, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE THE CAVEAT THAT IN YOUR SLIDE SHOWS, YOU HAVE AN APPENDIX THAT INCLUDES DETAILED AND GRANULAR DATA FROM THE TWO, THE TWO RESEARCHERS THAT I'M JUST GOING TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW ON.
SO WHEN WE SAY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IN TEXAS WORKS, WE HAVE TWO EXAMPLES AND PLENTY OF EXAMPLES.
BUT THESE ARE TWO COMMUNITIES THAT NOT ONLY INVESTED IN SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, BUT THEY ALSO INVESTED THEIR TIME AND THEIR TREASURES INTO SUPPORTING THE RESEARCH THAT THAT UPLIFTS SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IN THE ACTUAL HEALTH, HEALTH OUTCOMES AND COST BENEFITS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
AND THEY HAVE A BUILDING CALLED TERRACE AT OAK SPRINGS.
WHEN YOU TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THAT UTILIZATION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITHIN THEIR POPULATION, YOU WILL SEE THAT SERVICE UTILIZATION AND HOW MUCH THAT SERVICE UTILIZATION COSTS THEIR SYSTEM YEAR OVER YEAR, WHICH MADE THEM IDENTIFY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AS AN INTERVENTION TO
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MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE CONSUMERS IN THEIR SYSTEM.SO AGAIN, AS WE THINK ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND OTHER BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DISORDERS, DECREASING THAT MEDICAL INPATIENT BED DAYS IS WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF THAT COST SAVINGS ON OUR SYSTEMS. AND THEN OUR LAST EXAMPLE HERE IN FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS IS A COLLABORATION WITH PROSPERA, AS WELL AS THE SUPERIOR HEALTH PLAN.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH SUPERIOR HEALTH PLAN, THEIR MANAGED CARE ORGANIZATION IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT FOCUSES ON FOSTER RUNAWAY YOUTH, FOSTER CARE YOUTH, AND OTHER MEMBERS AND THEIR BENEFICIARIES IN THEIR PLAN COVERAGE, BUT SUPERIOR IN PROSPERA WITH THEIR PARTNERSHIP, THEY SAW A 56% LOWER RATE OF EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND URGENT CARE VISITS THAT TOTALED $2,061 LESS FOR EACH PARTICIPANT. AND YOU MAY SAY THESE NUMBERS ARE VERY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S US UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COST OF JAIL, THE COST OF HEALTH CARE DIFFERS BY COMMUNITY.
SO AGAIN, AS WE HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, WELL, WHAT IS THIS COST TO DALLAS LIKE WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR DALLAS? IT'S US TAKING THAT DEEP DIVE INTO YOUR HEALTH CARE DATA AND OTHER SYSTEM LEVEL DATA TO SEE WHAT THAT TRUE COST IS PER PERSON AND PER DAY AS WELL.
I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE, IT WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
AND THANK YOU KEVIN, I DID I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS AT THE BEGINNING.
BUT JUST TO LINK THEM LINK CORPORATION FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING BACK TO OUR SYSTEM.
CSH IS A PARTNER WITH OUR CONTINUUM OF CARE THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT GRANTS, WORKING IN A CONSULTANT CAPACITY AROUND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. SO THEY'RE HERE AS A PARTNER JUST TO REALLY BRING FORWARD THIS TALK ABOUT THE COSTS THAT WE AVOID THROUGH HOUSING.
AND WE DON'T OFTEN TALK ABOUT COST AVOIDED.
WE TALK ABOUT COSTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUNK.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU, CHAIR.
THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT THE COST AVOIDANCE THAT IF WE DO HOUSE INDIVIDUALS HOW THAT'S ACTUALLY A SAVINGS TO THE CITY. THERE'S REAL HIGH LEVEL I KNOW WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS ON THESE NUMBERS ARE SORT OF VERY BROAD AND POTENTIALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT'S DALLAS CENTRIC SPECIFICALLY TO DALLAS AND ALSO INCLUDING OUR PRIVATE PARTNERS LIKE DDI OR THE DEEP ELLUM FOUNDATION, WHO DO PUT IN A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT SO THAT WE CAN GET A TRUE COST.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP.
WE'LL START VIRTUALLY WITH VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
I WANT TO SAY FIRST, THANKS TO MR. JAMES FOR BEING HERE.
I HAVE FOLLOWED CSH FOR A LONG TIME AND APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO.
I REALLY HAVE TWO AREAS OF QUESTIONS.
MY FIRST ONE IS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION ON THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH HOMELESSNESS.
IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE FACTORS YOU CONSIDERED WERE HEALTH CARE ORIENTED.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS YOU GAVE FOR THE AUSTIN EXAMPLE AND THE SAN ANTONIO EXAMPLE, IF YOU MULTIPLY THOSE OUT BY THE 4400 HOMELESS THAT ARE REPORTED BY OUR HOUSING FORWARD, IT LOOKS LIKE IN AUSTIN THEY'RE SAVING $63 MILLION.
AND IN SAN ANTONIO ABOUT 9 MILLION.
SO I HAVEN'T TOTALLY OUT BASED ON DALLAS POINT IN TIME.
AS WE ALL KNOW, JUST INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE OFFICERS, COSTS, CITATIONS THAT ARE GOING UNPAID ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO THIS.
SO THE NUMBER COULD BE MORE OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GIVE OR TAKE SOME.
WELL, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING IS THAT THERE'S NOT A NUMBER IN THERE FOR POLICING FOR PARAMEDICS AND THE CARE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING AND THE DIFFERENT RUNS, LITTER ISSUES AND EVEN HOW IT AFFECTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET IN AN AREA AND MAY DETER VISITORS TO BUSINESSES.
THESE ARE ALL PAID FOR BY OUR COUNTY.
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OF THE DOLLARS THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE JAILS FOR THE HOSPITAL.HAVE YOU DONE THIS PRESENTATION FOR THE COUNTY? WE HAVE NOT. THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME PRESENTING THE COST BENEFIT, COST ANALYSIS, COST EFFECTIVENESS OF SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IN DALLAS.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL MENTION TO YOU PREVIOUS POINT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRE AND POST UTILIZATION COST AND THE INTEGRAL CARE APPENDIX SECTION, THEY DO CALL OUT THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS AND BOOKINGS AND WHAT THAT FIGURE IS, AS WELL AS THE EMS ENCOUNTERS AND WHAT THAT FIGURE IS ON THE EMS ENCOUNTERS.
AND THEN TO YOUR MENTION ABOUT THE COUNTY, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY HONE IN ON HERE ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION IS THE COLLABORATION THAT IT TAKES FROM ALL OF OUR LOCAL PARTNERS AND REALLY IRONING OUT WHAT OUR ROLES ARE.
SO IF THE COUNTY'S ROLE IS AROUND THAT HEALTH CARE ASPECT OF IT, REALLY SAYING, OKAY, HOW CAN WE HOLD THE COUNTY ACCOUNTABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE INVESTMENT FOR MAYBE SERVICES OR THE INVESTMENT FOR MAYBE OPERATING COSTS? BUT HOW IS THE CITY, CAN WE SUPPORT THIS? IS IT US SUPPLEMENTING WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING BY PROVIDING PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS OR WORKING MORE COLLABORATIVELY WITH OUR HOUSING AUTHORITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF RENTAL ASSISTANCE OR OPERATING POWER ASSISTANCE THEY CAN BRING TO THE TABLE, AND MAYBE WITH OUR PHILANTHROPIC PARTNERS TO DO SOME GAP FILLING IN THERE.
I THINK YOU MAKE IMPORTANT POINTS.
MY SECOND AREA OF QUESTION IS ABOUT WHAT LEVEL OF INVESTMENT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM A CITY OF OUR SIZE, AND YOU THINK ABOUT THAT ANSWER WHILE I FLUSH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS TO SAY YOU GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF HOUSTON AND $10 MILLION, BUT WE'VE INVESTED $43 MILLION IN RAPID REHOUSING, $61 MILLION IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS COMING TO OUR AGENDA.
PLUS WE'VE ALREADY MADE JUST IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS MASSIVE INVESTMENTS IN OUR HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, WHICH IS FUNDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATIONS.
AND SO WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT TO SEE AS THAT KIND OF A NUMBER? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? SO THAT'S IT'S HARD BECAUSE IT WOULD INVOLVE A LARGER COST ANALYSIS.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE NATIONAL ASSUMPTIONS.
SO DALLAS WOULD HAVE TO GET DOWN TO THE GRANULAR DETAIL OF, WELL, HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING PER PERSON ON SERVICES? HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO DEVELOP? AND THAT WILL GET YOU.
AND HOW MANY UNITS DO WE WANT TO BRING ONLINE, AND THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU THAT GRANULAR FIGURE OF, SHOULD IT BE 300 MILLION, 500 MILLION? WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE? WELL THANK YOU.
MY LAST ITEM IS REALLY JUST A COMMENT, WHICH IS TO SAY, AS WE ARE STARTING TO ASSEMBLE THESE DOLLARS AND LOOK AT THEM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT DALLAS HAS NOT HAD A LACK OF INVESTMENT IN ADDRESSING EITHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR HOMELESSNESS, BUT WE ARE HAVING A LACK OF PERFORMANCE, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHRINK THAT GAP SO THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PERFORMING AT THE LEVEL WE'RE INVESTING.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MENDELSOHN.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.
IS THAT REAL DALLAS NUMBER AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND I APPRECIATE DIRECTOR CROSSLEY'S POINT THAT THIS IS ABOUT COLLABORATION AND WORKING TOGETHER.
BUT AS I KEPT GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, I THOUGHT, WHEREAS PARKLAND IN THIS MIX AND THE COUNTY IN THIS MIX, AND WE KNOW THAT THE COUNTY'S BEEN COMING TO THE TABLE MORE WITH REGARD TO HELPING THE CITY FIND MORE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
BUT AS I LISTENED TO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TOLBERT TALK ABOUT COAXING ALONG THAT $10 MILLION THAT'S OUT THERE, I THOUGHT MAYBE THIS WOULD HELP GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE WHEN YOU'RE SHOWING THE REAL COSTS THAT ARE INVOLVED.
BUT THE OTHER THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS ON SLIDE NINE, THE EXAMPLES.
AND I'M SO SORRY I NEVER GOT TO CLICK THROUGH ON THE WHAT YOU CITED HERE.
MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER SPECIFIC EXAMPLES ON COST EFFECTIVENESS AND WHAT INVESTING IN SUPPORTIVE HOUSING YIELDS WITH REGARD TO ALMOST IN THE CASE OF NEW YORK, RECOUPING THE EXPENSE IN SERVICES THAT THAT WEREN'T EXPENDED ON FOLKS WHO ARE NOW HOUSED AND ARE NOT TAKING
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MAYBE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, HEALTH CARE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.ET CETERA. SO I WOULD SAY THAT IN THIS SPIRIT OF COLLABORATION, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE LIKE UP HERE, WE LIKE THE NUMBERS AND THE STORY BECAUSE WE ANSWER TO OUR TAXPAYERS AND OUR RESIDENTS WHO NEED TO SEE THAT, THAT STORY TO UNDERSTAND WHY, IF I SPEND IT HERE, IT'S ACTUALLY HELPING US HERE, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE PLACES THAT THIS MONEY IS GOING, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, EMS CALLS OR POLICE CALLS OR AT THE EMERGENCY ROOM, PEOPLE DON'T FEEL THAT, BUT THEY SEE WHAT THEY SEE WITH REGARD TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HOUSED, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO LIVE ON THE STREETS.
AND SO I THINK THE MORE WE CAN TAKE ALL OF THESE STATISTICS THAT I KNOW, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. JAMES, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A GOOD COMMAND OF TO PULL THAT BACK IN ABOUT HOW WE MAKE THAT STORY ABOUT WE INVEST THIS AND IT IS SAVING US THIS, AND IT'S ALSO GETTING A BETTER OUTCOME FOR OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED HERE.
SO I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A TRIGGER IF THEY DON'T ALREADY ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT IT.
THANK THANK YOU FOR THAT COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS. AND I JUST WANTED TO ECHO.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE FELT THAT THIS WAS IMPORTANT.
WE HAD THIS SCHEDULED EARLIER AND WE RAN OUT OF TIME, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION BACK TO ACTUALLY HELP US NOW DEVELOP THAT FRAMEWORK WHERE WE CAN DO THE DEEPER DIVE THAT REALLY DOES SHOW THE COST, THE IMPACT, THE COST AVOIDANCE, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO USE WHEN WE NEED TO TELL THE STORY ABOUT DALLAS.
SO THIS IS THIS IS A TIMELY CONVERSATION TODAY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE COMMENTS.
AND WE WILL DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CENTER FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PARTICULAR DATA SOURCE, AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS WHOLE COST ANALYSIS THAT YOU WOULD WANT US TO INCORPORATE, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL BEGIN TO WORK ON DEVELOPING THAT.
AND ALSO GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND WITH THAT IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, WE GO BACK TO THAT.
AND SO I THINK THIS DATA WILL HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT RIGHT NUMBER IS.
AND WHEN WE ARE HOUSING PEOPLE, HOW THAT'S NOT ONLY PRIMARILY GETTING THE HELP TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT DESPERATELY NEED IT, BUT ALSO A COST SAVINGS TO OUR CITY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, CHRISTINE.
NOW WE'LL GO TO UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. ANY QUESTIONS ON D? E AND F? SEEING NONE.
11:29 AND OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.