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[Dallas 2024 Bond Critical Facilities Subcommittee Meeting on October 25, 2023.]
THIS IS CHIEF GRIFFITH, UH,HEY, SO CHIEF SHAW WILL NOT BE ON THIS MEETING.
SHE'S AT A CONFERENCE, SO, UH, JUST FYI.
LET SEE IF I CAN FORWARD THIS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST FROM THE COMMUNITY ON, SO EVERYONE, IT'S UNDER PANELISTS NOW.
UM, AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN ON THEIR CAMERA AND SPEAK AT ANY TIME.
I CAN SEE YOU AND I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
COULD WE HAVE EVERYBODY JUST SAY HELLO SO I CAN MAKE SURE? UM, OUR COMMITTEE IS, HI, THIS IS CHRISTINE SWOPE.
I'M GONNA, LET ME MARK YOUR NAME SO I KNOW HE'S ALL IN THE ROOM.
I'M SORRY, WHO IS THAT? STEWART ENRIQUE MCGREGOR.
LET ME CALL YOU, LET ME CALL YOUR NAMES.
UM, ADAM MADANO, ARE YOU HERE? HE'S GONNA BE, HE'S GONNA, HE'S GONNA BE ABSENT.
ROGER, LET'S SEE, ROGER'S NAME.
UM, I THOUGHT I SAW ROGER ON THE LIST.
I DON'T SEE, UM, ALICIA, ALICIA CAN NOT ON THE LIST.
CHERYL IS ON THE LIST, BUT I DON'T SEE HER.
I SAW ROB, ARE YOU THERE? THERE YOU'RE, THANKS.
CHRISTINE, YOU WERE, YOU'RE ON.
AND BASHAR BASHIR, ICU AND BRUCE.
UM, HAVE YOU HEARD FROM ANYBODY THAT THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING ON? I HAD A HARD TIME GETTING ON USING THE LINK, AND THAT'S WHY I CALLED IN.
BUT I THINK, UH, THE, THERE'S TWO LINKS OUT THERE BECAUSE THE EVENT GOT UPDATED.
WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE UPDATE.
I WENT TO THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, WHICH WAS, UM, AND IF YOU COULD MUTE, WE GET A LITTLE FEEDBACK.
SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND MUTING, IF YOU'RE NOT TALKING, OH, SORRY.
UM, THEY HAD A, THE TASK FORCE HAD A MEETING LAST NIGHT AND THEIR GOAL WAS TO, UM, COME UP WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UM, MONEY THAT WOULD BE IN ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, SUBCOMMITTEES.
I MEAN, WE PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST PROPOSITIONS, UM, IN OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T ALLOCATE IT THAT WAY.
THEY JUST, UM, ALLOCATED IT BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO, UH, THEY, FOR STREETS, UM, THE NUMBER THAT I DON'T WANNA MISS, LET ME, UH, THE STREETS WAS 375 MILLION, UH, PARKS, UM, WAS 350 MILLION FLOOD CONTROL, 75 MILLION HOUSING, HOMELESS AND ECO A HUNDRED MILLION.
AND THEN CRITICAL FACILITIES, UH, WAS 200 MILLION, WHICH IS OUR, OBVIOUSLY OUR SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND THAT WILL INCLUDE, UM, THE PUBLIC SAFETY, CULTURAL ARTS, CULTURAL AND PERFORMING ARTS FACILITIES, CITY FACILITIES, LIBRARIES, INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY.
AT ONE POINT THEY HAD US DOWN TO ONE 50, UM, WHICH I POINTED OUT WAS A 30% DECREASE.
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SOMETIMES IT'S LOST ON HOW MANY, UM, HOW MANY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF, UH, CRITICAL FACILITIES ARE INSIDE OF THE, OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE.BUT THEY INCREASE IT BACK TO 200, UM, MILLION.
UM, THE ONES, UM, ANN MARGOLIN, WHO REPRESENTS, UH, DISTRICT 14, AND, UM, CHARLES COX, WHO REPRESENTS DISTRICT 13, WERE THE ONES, UM, I THINK THAT WERE, THAT BOTH TRY TO ADD MORE MONEY TO STREETS AND CRITICAL FACILITIES IN DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS IN THEIR PROCESS.
SO THAT IS A 20 FROM OUR LOW SCENARIO.
UM, WE'VE GOTTA REDUCE, UM, SEE OUR LOW, UM, AH, SORRY, I HAD MY PAGES OPEN.
UM, OUR LOW SCENARIO WAS 2 24, SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S 30, UH, 224,000,362.
SO WE'VE GOTTA RE REDUCE, UM, BY 24,362,360 TO BE EXACT IN 16 CENTS.
BUT I THINK WE CAN TRY TO, UM, ROUND THAT OFF.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL KIND OF OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSIONS IF THERE'S, UM, ANY, AND, AND THEN I WANNA BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN, UM, INFORMATION REGARDING, AFTER WE, UM, MET AND REC MADE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE DALLAS SYMPHONY, THE MYERSON IS, THEY'RE, THEY HAD KIND OF SPUN OUT AND WERE TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BUILDING, BUT THE ROOF WAS STILL THE OBLIGATION OF THE CITY.
UM, AND I THINK, UM, THEY, THEY'RE HAVING CHALLENGES WITH THE ELEVATORS IN THE HALL PARKING GARAGE.
THE PARKING GARAGE THOUGH, IS OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT MANAGED BY HALL.
UM, AND I, I THINK ENRIQUE, WILL YOU CORRECT, I MEAN, I'M SORRY.
UM, EFRAN, WILL YOU CORRECT ME? I THINK WHAT IT WAS DETERMINED IS THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ROOF, BUT NOT THE, BUT THE ELEVATORS WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE BOND, AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY'S RESPONSIBLE.
AND, AND, AND I, I THINK WE HAVE, UM, BENJAMIN ESPINO FROM ARTS AND CULTURE, AND HE CAN GO AHEAD AND CLARIFY AS WELL AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE AGREEMENT AND, UH, THEIR, UH, THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES.
BENJAMIN, UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE C CLARIFY ON THAT? YOU, YOU'RE MUTE.
NO, I, SO WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU, BENJAMIN, YOU'RE NOT LI I DON'T SEE YOU, UM, AS MUTE, BUT CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? I'M HAPPY TO CHIME IN IF MY MICROPHONE'S WORKING SMART.
WE CAN, WHO IS, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF? OUR TEAM PHILIPPE, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND OH, OKAY.
AND FORGIVE ME FOR MY CAMERA BEING OFF, HOWEVER, JUST TO, UM, UH, CLARIFY, UH, THAT YOU'RE CORRECT, THE ELEVATORS WILL NOT, UH, BE INCLUDED IN THIS BOND, UH, PACKAGE.
OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT TO ADDRESS, UH, THE ROOF AND, UH, WATER INFILTRATION SYSTEM MATTER, UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET THE ESTIMATES AND PRESENT, UH, THOSE NUMBERS TO, UH, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION RELATED TO THE MYERSON.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AT THIS POINT? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR FIE TO ANSWER AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE NUMBERS, I BELIEVE, UM, THE ESTIMATED, UM, RESPONSIBILITY AS FAR AS THE CITY, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, 5 MILLION, UM, 5 MILLION MILLION? I, I BELIEVE SO.
DID YOU SEND, I, I DON'T SEE THAT MEMO.
YOU SAID LAST NIGHT THAT THERE WAS A MEMO CIRCULATING.
IS IT OUT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THE MEMO, IT'S CURRENTLY ON UNDER DRAFT.
UM, AND AS SOON AS WE, WE HAVE THE APPROVED MEMO, WE WILL, UH, GET BACK WITH, UH, THE CHAIR OF COMMITTEES AND, AND CIRCULATE THAT MEMO.
WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO HAVE THIS TOTAL BY NEXT MONDAY, AND WE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T, I GUESS WE COULD CALL ANOTHER MEETING IF, IF NECESSARY, BUT, UM, THOSE, THOSE DEADLINES WERE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY WERE GIVEN TO US LAST NIGHT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE OPINE ON IT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.
THE MEMO IS ON THEIR DESKS TODAY.
UM, AND THEIR MEETING SEPARATELY TODAY WITH THE INTENT OF GETTING THE MEMO OUT TODAY OR TOMORROW, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY LAND WITH INFORMATION, THERE'S
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SOME INFORMATION, UM, D SOOS US SO THAT WE CAN FINALIZE THOSE DOCUMENTS.UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, AND PLEASE KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, UM, ONLY ON THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT TO ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDE CORRECT INFORMATION, UM, SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT, UH, FOR Y'ALL TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM, UH, VARIOUS COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND IT HAS TAKEN US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, UH, TO SETTLE ON MAKING SURE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS CORRECT.
UM, AND ONCE WE HAVE THOSE ESTIMATES AS NOTED, UH, WE'LL BE SURE THAT Y'ALL GET THAT.
AND WE'RE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE TIMELINES AS WE'RE ALL WORKING AGAINST THOSE.
UM, YEAH, THEY ASKED US WHAT, LAST NIGHT BY THE 31ST.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD CALL ON A, A MEETING NEXT MONDAY, BUT, OKAY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND, AND WE CAN, IF THAT'S THE, UM, THE COMMITTEE DESIRE, I CAN'T MEET IN THE EVENING.
I MEAN, I, I KNOW I HAVE OBLIGATIONS.
THIS IS ALL, COME ON VERY LAST MINUTE, BUT, UM, ALL RIGHT.
SO WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A FIRM AMOUNT, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE.
AND, AND THEN THE OTHER UPDATE WOULD BE RELATED TO, UH, YOU, THEY SENT, IT, SENT THE COUNCIL, I GUESS, AT THE END OF EITHER, I WAS, IT, IT WAS AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, BUT IT WAS, UM, WITHIN THE LAST SIX WEEKS, I THINK, OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, UH, REGARDING HOW THEY WERE GONNA SPEND THE 30 MILLION.
UM, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD NOT SEEN THAT UNTIL YESTERDAY.
UM, AND I DID ALL OF YOU RECEIVE THAT? 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ALL HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT THE 30 MILLION WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO DO.
SO THEY SET THAT OUT, UM, BY PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS THE NEW FACILITY.
UM, BUT THEY INCLUDED OFFICE RELOCATION, WHICH EFRAN COULD YOU, UM, LET US KNOW? I DIDN'T THINK, I, I THOUGHT WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR, UM, UH, BOND DOLLARS MOVING EXPENSES.
AND THAT IS, AND THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, I, I THINK, UM, UH, BASED ON, ON MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR BOND DOLLARS, AND THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WE SENT OVER TO, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR REVIEW.
UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY, ANY RESPONSES AS FAR AS, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, WERE SUBMITTED BY THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.
BUT, UM, TO ME, UH, THAT SHOULD NOT BE, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR BOND DOLLARS.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM, UM, UM, ITS, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY CAN, THEY CAN SPEAK ON THIS, JENNIFER, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THIS.
CAN WE GET MAYBE, UH,
WHAT THAT BREAKDOWN IS? UM, YEAH, I HAVE IT.
I SENT YOU GUYS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD PULL IT UP.
I SENT YOU GUYS THE LAST NIGHT, UM, WHAT WE PRESENTED.
AND I CAN, I CAN, THE TASK FORCE WHICH HAD THAT, SO THE LOW SCENARIO, I MEAN, I CAN REVIEW IT WITH YOU.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT'S ON ONE PIECE OF PAPER, UM, CAN EVERYONE SEE THE SCREEN? UH, MS CAN YOU I CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
CAN YOU ENLARGE THAT E AFFIRM? SURE, SURE.
SO, I MEAN, AND YEAH, THE LOWING, WE HAD 28 MILLION FOR LIBRARIES.
IT, IT HAD, IT ONLY HAD ONE SCENARIO FOR ARTS AND CULTURE.
THE PUBLIC SAFETY WAS 88 MILLION, AND THE CITY FACILITIES WAS 54 MILLION.
SO IF YOU LOOKED AT THE LOW SCENARIO, UM, I, I, I, I'VE GOT THAT IS WHAT I, IS WHAT I WANT IS THE BREAKDOWN IN DETAIL, WHAT'S INCLUDED IN EACH OF THOSE ITEMS. OH, OKAY.
'CAUSE IF WE, IF WE'VE GOTTA DROP THAT 2 25 TO 200, WE'VE GOTTA KNOW WHAT WE'RE CUTTING RATHER THAN SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA CUT CITY FACILITIES BY 6 MILLION.
SO LIKE, IF YOU LOOKED AT PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, THE LOW SCENARIO HAD, IT STILL HAD THE TRAINING FACILITY IN IT.
IT HAD THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE OF $7 MILLION FOR DPD, AND IT HAD THREE, UM, TWO FIRE STATIONS, 11 AND 43.
AND THE FIRE MAJOR AND MAINTENANCE, WHICH WAS 3 MILLION.
SO IT WAS A $10 MILLION NEW STATION, A $16 MILLION STATION.
UM, THERE WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, IN ARTS AND CULTURE, IT HAD EVERYTHING.
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SO THAT STILL HAD THE D DALLAS MUSEUM, LA LATINO CULTURAL CENTER, KALITA, SOUTH DALLAS CULTURAL CENTER, DALLAS BLACK DANCE THEATER, MOODY PERFORMANCE HALL, MAJESTIC WIND SPEAR, WILEY, BATHHOUSE, SALMONS, AND AT AND T PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.UM, AND THEN THE LOW SCENARIO FOR LIBRARY OR CITY FACILITIES, LET'S DO CITY FACILITIES.
IT HAD THE CITY HALL, UM, MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
IT HAD THREE, UH, I'M SORRY, I LOOK AT ANOTHER ONE PAGE.
IT HAD THE, UM, CITY HALL AT 24 MILLION AND IT HAD, UM, I'M YOU, YEAH, IT'S HAVING ISSUES.
IT WON'T, DO YOU NEED TO SPEAK? YEAH.
SO IT HAD CITY HALL AT 24 MILLION AND THEN THE IT AT 30 MILLION, THAT'S ALL IT HAD IN THE, THE LOW RECOMMENDATION.
JENNIFER, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ASK, BECAUSE IN MY DISTRICT TOWN HALL OF REVIEW, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS PROPOSED ABOUT WHETHER IF WE EXTENDED THIS VOTE FROM MAY, WHICH MIGHT HAVE LOW VOTER TO NOVEMBER OF 24, THAT OUR CREDIT RATING MAY ACTUALLY BUMP UP ALLOWING FOR A LITTLE EXTRA CUSHION OR GROWTH ON THE BOND AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN FINANCE WITHOUT, UH, DAMAGING, YOU KNOW, OR HAVING A TAX, NOT THAT THEY'RE TAX ANYWAY, BUT, UM, BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO ADDRESS PENSION.
HAS THERE BEEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT LIKE, WE'RE PUSHING AND THERE'S A STRONG SENSE OF URGENCY, AND I THINK THAT IN PART IS FUELED BY WHEN WE WOULD BE PUTTING THESE REFERENDUMS UP AND ASSURING THAT THERE'S TIME FOR, UH, PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND, AND OVERSIGHT FROM OUR COUNCIL ON THIS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHETHER THIS PUSHES TO NOVEMBER 24 SO THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE OUT AND LOOKING AT THESE VOTES? UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND I THINK THE COUNCIL, TO BE HONEST, HAS BEEN LEANING TOWARDS THAT TO, TO MOVING IT TO NOVEMBER BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PENSION.
THERE'S A REPORT THAT'S DUE IN DECEMBER, AND THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HEAR, UM, THE, THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE FOR, UM, ANY INFUSION OF DOLLARS INTO THE PENSION SYSTEM.
SO THERE AGAIN, EVEN FOR A MAY ELECTION, IT WOULDN'T, THE DECISION WOULDN'T BE MADE TILL FEBRUARY, UM, MM-HMM.
BUT THEY, THEY DO WANNA BRIEF THE, THAT IS THE PLAN IS TO BRIEF THE DALLAS POLICE AND FIRE PENSION, UM, SCENARIOS FOR, UH, INFUSING REVENUE INTO THE SYSTEM BEFORE THEY MAKE THIS DECISION.
SO I, I THINK THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE IT MIGHT, IT, IT, AND I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE NOT HEARD, THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK IT TOWARDS A $1.1 BILLION, UH, BOND.
BUT IF THE CAPACITY WAS INCREASED OR WOULD THE CAPACITY BE DECREASED BECAUSE OF THE, UM, PENSION WOULD BE, UM, A CONCERN.
SO THEY'RE JUST ASKING US TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
WE WANT EVERYBODY TO GATHER AGAIN AND LOOK OVER NEW NUMBERS, NEW CONCERNS.
SO YEAH, THAT'S ALL A POSSIBILITY.
I I DO FEEL LIKE IT'S A FRUSTRATING EXERCISE TO, TO, TO DO THESE KINDS OF I AGREE.
I LEFT LAST NIGHT THOUGH WITH JUST MARCHING ORDERS THAT PLEASE GET YOUR COMMITTEE TOGETHER.
UM, AND I THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE OCTOBER 31ST, BUT SINCE THIS WAS SCHEDULED, I COULD AT LEAST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
AND WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT.
THEY SAID, PLEASE COME BACK TO US WITH A $200 MILLION, UH, CRITICAL FACILITIES, UM, PACKAGE.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION AT ALL LEVELS.
AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT FINANCEABLE BY THE BOND, WHETHER THAT'S THE ELEVATORS, WHETHER THAT'S THE MOVING COST OF THE IT DATA CENTER.
WHAT IMMEDIATE COST SAVINGS DOES THAT PROVIDE US FROM, UM, THE LOW SCENARIO FOR THOSE CHUNKS? WELL, THE ELEVATOR AS FAR AS THAT 24 MILLION, THE ELEVATORS WERE NOT PART OF THAT AT ALL.
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SO, BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING WORRIED WE PUT IN THE BOND PROGRAM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER, BUT IT'S NOT, THE RELOCATION OF THAT 30 MILLION WAS 4.5 MILLION.SO HEY, WE'RE DOWN TO 20 MILLION THAT WE HAVE TO CUT.
HOW ABOUT THAT
UM, I THINK, AND, AND, AND, AND EVEN IF, LIKE, SO LET'S SAY WE ALLOCATED, WE TOOK THE 4.5 MILLION OFF AND WE ALLOCATED THE OTHER 16.5 AND 9 MILLION, WE, WE KNOW, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE FACILITY? I MEAN, I THINK THOSE QUESTIONS ARE NOT REALLY ANSWERED.
IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS PARTIAL FUNDING GONNA WORK AT ALL.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION THAT WE TRY TO GET A BETTER ANSWER FOR BEFORE WE TRY TO RECONVENE.
UM, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT, OUR IT RECOMMENDATIONS.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT, IT, I'M, I'M NOT CONFIDENT THAT PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS IT IS GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, HELP THEM ACCELERATE, UM, THEIR GOALS OR, UH, HELP THEM ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO.
SO THAT, I'M JUST SHARING THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO, IF WE START HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS ON WHAT AREAS DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD START LOOKING AT? SURE.
GATE, I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MYERSON.
FOLLOWING UP ON FRA, DID I, WHAT DID I HEAR YOU SAY? HOW MUCH THEY NEEDED FOR THE ROOF? 5 MILLION.
AND SO WHAT'S THE, WE, WE GOT AN, UH, A MEMO FROM THE MYERSON SAYING THAT THE ROOF WAS 1.5 MILLION.
IS IT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DISCONNECT THERE? SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS ACTUALLY THAT WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE MYERSON.
SO WE HAVE THE, UM, WHAT'S CALLED THE UPPER ROOF.
AND WE ALSO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED, UM, WATER MITIGATION THAT WAS NOT COMPLETED CORRECTLY, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, CEILING AROUND WHAT'S CALLED THE CONNO.
THE CONOID IS THAT BEAUTIFUL GLASS SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY VALUED ENGINEERED OUT OF THE 2017 BOND.
SO PER THE AGREEMENT WITH THE MYERSON IN 2019, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS. I SEE.
AND THEY, AND THE ESTIMATE THAT WE HAVE IS AROUND 5 MILLION.
AND I'M SORRY, WHAT DOES VALUE ENGINEERED OUT OF THE 2017 BOND MEAN EXACTLY? BENJAMIN, THE PROJECT? WE COULD NOT FIND THAT QUESTION NOT FUNDED.
SO IT WAS COMMITTED BUT NOT PAID.
COULD YOU GUYS MUTE IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING SO WE CAN HEAR BRUCE'S QUESTION AND THANKS.
UM, VALUE ENGINEERED MEANS THAT IT IS TAKEN OUTTA THE SCOPE OF WORK BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THE PROJECT OR
AND THAT WAS AFTER ALLOCATION OR PRE ALLOCATION? IT WAS AFTER ALLOCATION.
THAT'S THE PART THAT I AM WHOLLY CONFUSED ABOUT.
SO THERE WAS 2017 MONEY, BUT IT DIDN'T GET SPENT? NO, IT GOT SPENT, WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FROM 2017 BOND TO COMPLETE THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD PROMISED THE MYERSON THAT WE WERE GOING TO COMPLETE.
THE COST OF EVERYTHING WENT UP.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A DOLLAR.
THEY WENT TO GO DO IT, AND IT WAS A DOLLAR 75.
SO THEY HAD TO, SO OF THE GROUP OF THINGS THAT THEY WERE GONNA DO, THEY COULD DO FEWER OF.
IT HAPPENED ALL ACROSS THE, THE ALL DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY.
AND ALSO TO IT'S CREDIT, THE MYERSON IS VERY BEAUTIFUL.
AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE BOND, UM, FIX FOR OUR GORGEOUS SYMPHONY CENTER.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, CHAIR ANY OTHER INFORMATION ON IT? I THINK, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, MS. ROBINSON WITH ITS.
UM, AND, AND THEN, UH, I KNOW SHE WANTED TO SPEAK ON, ON ITS MS. ROBINSON.
UM, ON REQUEST FOR, UM, OFFICE RELOCATION, IT'S MORE OF RENOVATING THE OFFICE SPACE.
'CAUSE THE PLAN IS TO MOVE ALL OF THE IT OPERATIONS OVER TO THAT BUILDING.
NOW, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR THIS, BUT I THINK I WANT TO JUST SAY ONE THING.
SOME FUNDING ON THE, UH, 16 MILLION, WHICH WE WOULD NEED.
AND PROBABLY IF YOU HAVE TO REDUCE IT, WE WILL REQUEST THAT BECAUSE THERE'S
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SOME UPGRADES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN FOR PHYSICAL ACCESS TO THE FACILITY SECURITY CAMERAS.AND THERE'S SOME REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
SO, UM, PARTIAL FUNDING OF THE REQUESTS WOULD STILL GO A LONG WAY FOR PREPARATION IN MOVING SOME OF OUR OPERATIONS OVER TO THAT BUILDING.
IF YOU HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL INFORMATION, UM, I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR TO YOU, TO THE COMMITTEE LATER TODAY OR TOMORROW AS NECESSARY.
YEAH, WE, WE WOULD PROBABLY LIKE, I MEAN, IF THE PARTIAL FUNDING IS, IS EXISTING, WHERE, WHERE'S THE REST OF THE FUNDING TO COME FROM? I MEAN, YOU, THIS SEEMS LIKE A PROJECT THAT YOU COULDN'T, YOU CAN'T REALLY STAGE.
YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WE'RE GONNA MOVE EVERYTHING OVER OR WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK? I MEAN, WELL, THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR APPROACH, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK.
UH, WE WOULDN'T JUST MOVE ALL AT ONCE IN ONE FISCAL YEAR.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE, UH, BUDGET OFFICE ABOUT HOW WE CAN FUND REPLACING THE REMAINDER OF THE NETWORK HARDWARE COMPONENTS OR LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE FINANCING ON THOSE ITEMS, MS. GATES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR IT? RISK ASSESSMENT ON THAT, UH, SECOND SCENARIO OF, OF, UH, DOING IT PIECEMEAL, DO, I'LL GET YOU SOME DEFINITIVE INFORMATION, BUT DOING IT PIECEMEAL WHILE WE'RE STILL, UM, WORKING, PLANNING TO MOVE THE DATA CENTER OVER TO THAT BUILDING, WE STILL HAVE TO KEEP THE CURRENT DATA CENTER IN OPERATIONS.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S POWER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP DEALING WITH THE HEATING AND COOLING ISSUES.
SO THERE IS SOME RISK TO JUST KEEPING ALL OF THE OPERATIONS HERE AT CITY HALL.
UH, REGARDING THE $200 MILLION ASK, IS THAT A LOW SCENARIO OR IS THAT A POSSIBLE SCENARIO? OR DO WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK THROUGH POTENTIALLY EVEN LOWER THAN 200 MILLION? UM, NO, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'VE ASKED US, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, IT COULD, THEY COULD CHANGE AFTERWARDS.
I MEAN, THEY'VE JUST ASKED A REC FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM US OF 200 MILLION.
THEY, UM, THEY MEETING THE TASK FORCE IS THEN GONNA LOOK AT, UM, WHEN THEY MEET AGAIN, WHEN THEY HAVE OUR NUMBERS, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THAT 200 MILLION.
THEY COULD AMEND THAT BEFORE THEY RECOMMEND IT TO COUNCIL.
IT COULD GET AMENDED AFTER IT GOES TO COUNCIL AS WELL.
SO THAT MARCHING ORDERS TO US WERE JUST, THAT WE, THEY WANTED TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IN A $200 MILLION SCENARIO.
UM, AND THEN THEY'LL LOOK AT ACTUALLY WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED AND THAT COULD BE ADJUSTED.
UM, WE SENT ALL OF YOU THE, UM, UH, ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE, I, I FORGOT HOW MANY TOWN HALLS.
HOW MANY TOWN HALLS HAVE YOU HAD FRA YOU THAT THE, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU I THINK WE HAD OVER 200.
AND I KNEW IT WAS A LOT OF MEAN 200, UM, COMMENTS.
AND, AND THAT WAS EITHER THROUGH TOWN HALL FACILITIES.
FOR, AND THAT WAS EITHER THROUGH TOWN HALLS, EMAILS, UM, I THINK THERE WAS DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THAT PEOPLE COULD SHARE THEIR FEEDBACK.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, SOMETHING WE COULD TAKE INTO THAT WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU HEARD WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR CULTURAL ARTS.
UM, I THINK YOU, WE JUST GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE WAS SOME SPECIFICALLY A PARTICULAR FIRE STATION OR A PARTICULAR, UM, LIBRARIES.
UM, I SAW WHEN I READ THROUGH THE, UM, COMMENTS THERE WAS LIBRARY SUPPORT.
THERE WAS ALSO SPECIFIC LIBRARY SUPPORT FOR, FOR LIKE PRESTON ROYAL OR, OR, UM, THE VISTA PARTS CENTER, UM, LIBRARY.
SO IT, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS.
I MEAN, UM, WE COULD ADD 'EM UP, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO INPUT THAT WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER THEIR, THE TASK FORCE IS THEY HELD A LOT OF THOSE MEETINGS.
THEY'RE CONSIDERING THAT AS WELL, SO THAT THEY COULD AMEND EVERYTHING THAT WE RECOMMEND.
AND AGAIN, COUNSEL COULD DO THE SAME THING WHEN IT COMES TO THEM.
I, I'M GONNA OBSERVE, UH, NO ONE'S HAPPY WITH
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THIS PROCESS.OR, AND, AND NO ONE'S HAPPY WITH THE TASK BEFORE US.
AND, UH, I, I THINK WE JUST GOTTA DIG IN AND MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS, SOME DECISIONS THAT WILL BE UNPOPULAR WITH MOST OF US, BUT SOMEHOW WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH $25 MILLION LESS THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS OUR WORST CASE SCENARIO BEFORE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU COULD REDUCE EVERYONE 12.5%.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REALLY IS EFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT COMPLETING A PROJECT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, PARTIALLY DOING A PROJECT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO WITH THE MYERSON.
UH, IT JUST MEANS THAT THAT MONEY WON'T GET SPENT.
IT'LL GET SPENT ON SOMETHING ELSE.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL FRUSTRATED.
I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION LAST NIGHT.
UM, I MEAN, LIKE FOR STREETS, THEY, THEY, THEY JUST MOVE THEIR LINE ON WHAT STREETS ARE INCLUDED.
'CAUSE THEY KIND OF HAVE A PRIORITIZATION ALREADY.
SO THEY GOT CUT JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN IDEA WHEN EVERY, ALL THE SUBCOMMITTEES TURNED IN THEIR, THEIR WISHLIST AND THEIR, THEIR SCENARIOS, UM, IT EQUALED 1.7 MILLION.
SO THEIR TASK FORCE HAD TO TAKE 1.7 AND, AND BACK IT DOWN TO 1.1.
AND THEY CUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE STREET'S ASK WAS SIX, THE STREET'S REQUEST WAS 6 75.
THEY JUST WENT DOWN TO THREE 50.
UH, FLOOD CONTROL WAS 2 MILLION.
THEY WENT DOWN TO 75 HOUSING AND ECO DEV WAS, UM, THEIR REQUEST WAS, UH, A TOTAL OF 4 2 75, AND THEY WENT DOWN TO A HUNDRED.
UM, AND THEN CRITICAL FACILITIES, WE WENT DOWN 50.
SO LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE LOST A PERCENTAGE OF OURS, BUT ALL, ALL THE DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES LOST, BUT SOME OF THEM STARTED IT WITH A, WITH A HIGHER, UH, REQUEST THAN WE DID.
I THOUGHT WE WERE, AND WE, PEOPLE KEPT SAYING THAT, THAT WE ACTUALLY WORKED REALLY HARD AND WE CAME DOWN WITH A VERY CONSERVATIVE 2 24, BUT THEY STILL, THEY STILL CUT US THE 24.
SO, UM, AND, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH FOR COUNCIL WHEN THEY, WHEN, WHEN THEY GET THIS, BECAUSE IT'S, WHAT THE DELIVERABLE IS, IS GONNA BE IN SOME WAYS HARD TO SELL TO THE WHOLE CITY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE SEEING IMPROVEMENTS AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S STILL TAX DOLLARS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN TAX DOLLARS, BUT IT'S THE ALLOCATED PORTION OF OUR AVALOR AND TAX THAT GOES TO PAY DEBT.
SO I THINK IT'S, FORGET WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE ALL PAYING FOR THIS AND IT'S EXPENSIVE.
ALL THE PROJECTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO I'LL BE THE UNPOPULAR PERSON AND START.
UH, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, DO ONE FIRE STATION INSTEAD OF TWO.
WE DO THE MORE EXPENSIVE FIRE STATION, THE $10 MILLION WE NOT DO, I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE DO ONE LIBRARY INSTEAD OF TWO.
AND I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE REDUCE THE CULTURAL LARGE FROM 50 MILLION TO 45 MILLION.
AND I THINK THAT GETS US PRETTY CLOSE TO THE $24 MILLION.
UM, ACTUALLY IT MAY BE, LET ME SEE WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE THAT, WELL THAT'S FIVE 8 MILLION OFF ARTS? NO, 5 MILLION OFF ARTS.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID 4, 5, 1 MIL, ONE LIBRARIAN INSTEAD OF TWO.
SO THE FIRE STATIONS WERE 10 MILLION AND 16 MILLION.
SO YOU WOULD, WHICH ONE? YOU'RE SAYING 43? WE HAD LISTED SEC.
SO THE 16, THE MORE EXPENSIVE ONE OR THE LESS EXPENSIVE ONE.
EXPENSIVE ONE, EVEN THOUGH I THINK THAT WAS PRIORITIZED AS THE FIRST ONE.
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YEAH.I THINK THEY PRIORITIZED WANTING THE 10,000,001.
SO IF WE CUT THIS, THE 17,000,001 YEAH, THEY DID, THEY PRIORITIZED, UH, THEY PRIORITIZED 11, WHICH WAS THE $10 MILLION ONE, WHICH IS, UH, OAK LAWN.
AND THEN 40, THE 43, THE NEXT ONE THAT WE PUT ON WAS 16.7.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALMOST 17 MILLION.
BUT WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST STARTING WITH THE START, BUT SOMEONE CAN CHALLENGE IT OR AMEND THE PROPOSITION.
LAST NIGHT, THIS IS HOW THEY DID IT.
THEY, THEY TOOK PROPOSALS AND THEN THEY SAID, DO WE HAVE, THEY HAVE THE VOTES TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT.
SO ROB YOU, WHICH ONE ARE YOU SAYING YOU, WHAT'S YOUR RATIONALE? 10 OR 16? THE, UH, I, I WOULD, I REALIZE THAT THEIR PRIORITY WAS 10, BUT THE 16, I THOUGHT THAT THAT BUILDING WAS IN A TOTAL DUMP AND UH, REALLY NEEDED TO BE REDONE.
SO, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS THE LIBRARY.
I, I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH, UM, ROB'S SUGGESTION.
I THINK
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS.
I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE LIBRARY, UH, SUGGESTION, BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF MAYBE WE CAN RECONSIDER THE FIRE STATION.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE AND WE COULD USE THAT MONEY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
I'M, SINCE WE'RE IN TRYING TO COST MONEY, TOTALLY OPEN TO THAT.
I, I THINK IF WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE KEEP BOTH FIRE STATIONS, THEN WE NEED TO COME UP WITH 10 MILLION CUTS ELSEWHERE.
AND, AND I'M OPEN TO HEARING THAT.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT WHAT, WELL, YOU ROB, ACTUALLY THE, THE NEXT LIBRARY COST 17 MILLION.
SO YOU HAD A, THAT YOUR, YOURS IS EQUAL TO A $32 MILLION CUT.
SO IF WE DID GET AWAY WITH THE SECOND LIBRARY AND 5 MILLION OF CULTURAL ARTS, THAT'S 22 MILLION.
WE CAN'T, SO WE NEED 3 MILLION OTHERS.
WE, WE CAN'T DO AWAY WITH THE SECOND LIBRARY BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY, UH, FACILITY IN DISTRICT ONE THAT'S RECEIVING ANY MONEY FOR, UH, CRITICAL FACILITIES.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF DISTRICTS NOT HAVING ANY CRITICAL FACILITIES.
UM, ALRIGHT, WELL
I MEAN, YOU GOT 10, 11, 12, 1 13 THIRTEEN'S GOT A LIBRARY.
I WON'T, I WON'T SUPPORT THAT.
UH, THAT'S, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT NOT NOT HAVING THE LIBRARY IN, IN THE DISTRICT.
IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED.
THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE MONEY INVESTED IN THIS DISTRICT OVER TIME.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT IT GIVES, UH, THIS DISTRICT HAS A CHANCE TO HAVE A, A QUALITY CULTURAL FACILITY IN THE LIBRARY.
IT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED TO BE A SPACE FOR COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH.
SO I I I
AND I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT AT THE, EVEN THOUGH THE, UH, THE OAK CLIFF LIBRARY SHOWS UP AS PRIORITY TWO AT OUR LAST MEETING, AND I DOUBLE CHECK MY NOTES, UH, WE IN THE COMMITTEE, UH, AGREED THAT IT WAS A PRIORITY ONE AND THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
IT'S STILL A SUBJECTIVE CHOICE, BUT I I I CAN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT I, I WILL SAY I KIND OF AGREE.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANNA HAVE TWO LIBRARIES IN, IN, UM, IN THE BOND PACKAGE.
I MEAN THAT'S, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
IT'S, BUT WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT? I MEAN, I, I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED ON KIND OF A BETTER, UM, SOLVE SOLVING THE IT THAN, THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRYING TO PUT BAND-AIDS ON A POTENTIAL MOVE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FORCES THE DISCUSSION IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE DOLLARS FROM THE BOND PROGRAM OR I, I'M JUST, I'M THROWING THAT OUT.
CHRISTINE, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, AND I KNOW WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT EARLIER WITH THE PIECEMEAL, THE MOVE, THE $1 BUILDING REMAINS, IT DOESN'T TIME OUT DOES IT? FOR THE, IT DOESN'T, THE IT DOES TIME OUT.
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ARE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE DATA CENTER HERE AT CITY HALL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SPACE WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS OFFICE SPACE AND IT'S BEEN RETROFITTED OVER THE YEARS.SO THE MM-HMM,
THERE'S NO FIRE SUPPRESSION AND THERE ARE POWER IN CABLING NEEDS THAT ARE NOT DESIGNED TO MEET THE ARCHITECTURE FOR CITY HALL.
SO YEAH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO HOUSE ALL OF OUR CITY SYSTEMS THAT SHOULD BE OPERATED OUT OF THE DATA CENTER.
AND THERE ARE MISSION CRITICAL APPLICATIONS OPERATED BY DEPARTMENTS IN THAT SPACE THAT'S LESS SECURE AND LACKS BACKUP POWER AND DOES NOT HAVE THE ADEQUATE CLIMATE CONTROLS, AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY.
SO, UM, IT WOULD ONLY JUST DELAY MM-HMM.
IF WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY FUNDING DELAY, MOVING TO THAT, MOVING THE OPERATIONS IN A LOT OF OUR CRITICAL, UM, UH, SOFTWARE INFRASTRUCTURE OVER TO THAT FACILITY.
AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SOLID PLAN, ALTHOUGH THE NEED IS ABSOLUTELY THERE AND THERE IS RISK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IF WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO, UM, FIND SOMETHING THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS, UM, GO INTO THE NEXT BOND OR BE FUNDED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, THAT TO ME AT LEAST SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING WE MIGHT CONSIDER OR CITY HALL OR UH, OR COUNCIL COULD, UH, DECIDE IN THE END TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE BOND TO INCLUDE, UH, THIS PROJECT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, SO WE'RE CUTTING.
WE, IT'S ON THE TABLE, THE PROPOSAL'S ON THE TABLE.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO GET A LITTLE MORE INPUT FROM EVERYBODY SO I THINK WE CAN, IT DOES THIS WORK IF WE DO A WEBEX CALL AND TRY TO SCHEDULE SOMETHING ON MONDAY, AGAIN, IT WORKS IF WE'RE PAPERED UP.
IF WE'RE JUST SHOWING UP ON A CALL AND IT'S LIKE, WELL HERE WE ARE AND HERE'S SEVEN MORE PIECES OF NEWS THEN WELL, I I'M, I'M HOPING WE CAN, I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING I'M PUSHING TO THE LAST MINUTE 'CAUSE IT'S DUE ON THE 31ST, BUT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET US MORE INFORMATION.
I'M SHARING EVERY, ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE WITH ALL OF YOU.
BUT, AND, AND THEN THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS A WONKY PROCESS.
AND WE CAN GIVE IT BACK TO THE, AND AGAIN, THEY COULD MEET AND THEY CAN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE MONEY AWAY.
I MEAN, I, THERE WAS A LOT OF, THERE WAS SEVERAL AMENDMENTS LAST NIGHT.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T GET APPROVED BUT TO TAKE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM PARKS AND BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, I MEAN THERE, THERE WAS A FEW INDIVIDUALS, THERE WAS SOME THAT WANTED, I MEAN TASK FORCE MEMBERS OR SOME THAT WANTED MORE MONEY FOR ECO DEV.
THERE WERE SOME THAT DEFINITELY WANTED MORE MONEY FOR STREETS AND FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES.
SO THEY COULD LOOK AT OUR PROJECTS AND THEY COULD REPRIORITIZE IT TOO AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DON'T NEED A LIBRARY.
WE'RE GONNA GIVE, I MEAN THEY COULD DO THAT.
OR THEY COULD PUT THE LIBRARY BACK IN.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
THEY'RE GONNA BE CRITICAL OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE DELIVER TO THEM AS WELL.
UH, I HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION THOUGH.
UH, SO WE'RE PULLING, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPOSAL, UH, DID, OH, AND ROB IS ON THE PHONE.
UM, SO THIS WAS A ROB QUESTION, BUT, UH, SO PULLING 5 MILLION OUT OF ARTS TAKES IT TO 48 MILLION.
I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, I'M JUST LOOKING AT HOW TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND DO THE MATH.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
I GOTTA GO LOOK THROUGH THE ZILLION PIECES OF PAPER FROM THE PROCESS ARCH 53 MILLION AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD TAKE IT DOWN TO 40.
IF YOU TOOK 5 MILLION OUT, IT WOULD TAKE IT DOWN TO 48,000,537 AND THEN THE ARTS.
I MEAN I, WITH THAT ASSUMPTION, ROB, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE SAYING JUST GENERICALLY OUT OF THERE AND THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD JUST DECREASE THE AMOUNTS TO ALL THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES BY THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE RIGHT.
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UM, BUT THEN DEAL WITH THE MYERSON BECAUSE, AND PUT I'M, AND PUT THE MYERSON AS PART OF THAT.SO, BUT THAT'S, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I HEAR SO MANY THINGS ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A, IF WAS, WAS THERE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT COUNCIL? YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT IF EVERYBODY'S FOLLOWING THEIR ETHICS RULES.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE YES.
SCENARIO IS THAT THEY POP UP OUT OF THE BLUE AFTER THE PROCESS IS COMPLETE.
BENJAMIN COULD YOU, ARE THEY, IS IT, I CAN ELABORATE ON THAT.
WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE MYERSON IN AUGUST AND SO THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR BOND FUNDING AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT THE CITY HAD WHEN THE UM, DALLAS SYMPHONY ASSOCIATION, UM, THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE DSO TOOK OVER PRIVATE MANAGEMENT.
AND SO THOSE BOND ITEMS, DEFERRED BOND ITEMS FROM 2017, UM, WE, THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO COMPLETE THEM.
AND SO THEY, THEY AT THAT POINT, THEY ARE STILL OUT, THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR 2024 BOND FUNDING.
SO, SO IT, THE REASON WHY IT'S COMING BACK TO US IS 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY BEFORE.
SO WE NEED TO CONSIDER IT AND IT IS ELIGIBLE, RIGHT.
JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS ARE ELIGIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A LARGER OBLIGATION THAT WE FULFILL IT BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS NOT FULFILLED IN THE 2017.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT, THAT WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING THAT ARE, THAT WERE NOT, UM, COMPLETED WITH THE $2,017? OR IS THIS THE ONLY ONE? THIS IS THE ONLY ONE.
SEE, WE DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF A LEGAL BRIEFING ON THAT YET.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE, I GUESS OUR DECISION IS NON-BINDING ANYWAY.
AND AND THEY, THEY'RE, IF THEY GET A LEGAL BRIEFING ON RIGHT.
I I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT GONNA BE LEGALLY BRIEFED ON IT.
WE CAN RECOMMEND IT, BUT THEN WE CAN BE OVERRULED IF IT'S IF IT'S OR UM, NOT LEGAL OR IF IT'S REQUIRED.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
BECAUSE THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES A PROBLEM SCENARIO IN IN WHICH SOMETHING MAY GET ROBBED FOR THAT IF THEY HAVE TO DO IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW ULTIMATELY TO DECIDE WHERE WE'RE GONNA CUT FROM THOSE ARTS BECAUSE BENJAMIN CUT IT TO THE BONE IS THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO PIECEMEAL IT ALONG SOMEBODY WE FUNDED IN ARTS.
IF WE JUST DO, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT MYERSON BIT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA GET INCLUDED ANYWAY, UM, WE SHOULD ENGINEER THE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO ENGINEER THOSE CUTS.
SORRY I'M A LITTLE SCATTERED, BUT IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE LAST NIGHT, UM, WAS THE ARTS COMMITTEE REALLY HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE DUE DILIGENCE OF BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH WHAT THEY PRESENTED US.
SO I FEEL LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR, THEY WEREN'T GONNA GET THE FULL ASK.
UM, AND BENJAMIN, I I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, I DON'T HAVE THE PAPER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THE 52 MILLION WAS NOWHERE NEAR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE NEEDS.
SO IT'S LIKE WE ARE GONNA PENALIZE THE, THE, THE POTENTIALLY THEM WHEN THEY WERE ALREADY CONSERVATIVE AND HAD GONE THROUGH THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAD THE SAME LEVEL OF DUE DILIGENCE FROM ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT PRESENTED TO US.
UH, MS. ESTEBAN, AS YOU REMEMBER, I STOOD UP AND I WENT THROUGH HOW WE HAD TO USE, UM, MS. GATES'S WORD SCRUBBED HARD AND TOOK OUT $10 MILLION TO BRING IT DOWN TO $10 MILLION TO BRING IT DOWN TO 40 MILLION WITH COST ESCALATION, WHICH BROUGHT IT BACK UP TO WHAT IT WOULD BE 53.
SO YEAH, WE, AND I BELIEVE OUR DEPARTMENT, I HAVE THE LIST OF WHAT WE DID IN ORDER TO BRING DOWN THE BOND FOR BOND ONLY BOND ELIGIBLE ITEMS FOR THE 12 FACILITIES AT THAT POINT THAT WE ARE REQUESTING FOR.
AND THANK YOU FOR THAT MR. ESTEBAN.
MY FEAR I GUESS IS THAT THE RESULT OF THAT BECOMES NEXT TIME WE HAVE A BOND, THE MYERSON SCENARIO TIMES EVERY ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES FROM THIS ROUND AND WE'RE BACK PERPETUATING THE ENDLESS CYCLE OF WATCHING OUR BUILDINGS FALL APART.
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AND I'LL JUST SHUT UP.I HAVE TO DROP OFF THE CALL, BUT I THINK I, I PUT IN MY 2 CENTS AND I WOULD BE AVAILABLE NEXT MONDAY.
I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT, UH, FROM SEND OUT WHERE WE ENDED UP ON OUR LOW SCENARIO, THE DETAILED BREAKDOWN AND WE ALL GET BACK TO HIM BY FRIDAY.
'CAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERY, THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO NOT CUT ANYONE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'VE GOTTA CUT 25,000,012 POINT A HALF PERCENT AND IF WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE HARD DECISIONS, THEN WE CAN JUST CUT 12 POINT HALF PERCENT OF EVERYTHING.
BUT THAT DOESN'T SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS BECAUSE THAT NO, IT MEANS YOU DON'T GET ANY LIBRARIES, YOU DON'T GET ANY FIRE STATIONS.
SO THAT'S A REALLY GREAT IDEA, ROB.
AND, AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DID LAST NIGHT.
EVERY, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE REDID THE, THEIR ALLOCATIONS AND THEN THEY HAD A AVERAGE ON WHAT, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
SO IF, IF WE PULL ALL FOUR 14 OF YOU OR 15 OF US, INCLUDING MYSELF AND I PUT WHERE I WOULD CUT HOW TO GET TO 22 AND WE THE NEXT MONDAY AND WE GET IT CIRCULATED BEFORE, IF WE DO, WE HAVE A DEADLINE AFRAME THAT IT HAS TO BE TURNED INTO YOU BY FRIDAY AND THEN WE CAN HAVE IT ISSUED OUT FRIDAY EVENING.
AND THEN WHAT THEY COULD DO THEN WHAT IT'LL SAY IS, OKAY, THE AVERAGE WAS WE CUT.
I MEAN IT'LL GIVE US SOMETHING TO START WITH AND, AND THEN WE CAN SAY, DOES SOMEBODY WANNA PROPOSE THAT THE AVERAGES OF ALL OF US IS WHAT WE SHOULD GO WITH OR, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY DID LAST NIGHT.
THEY HAD THE AVERAGES AND THEN THEY HAD, UM, THEN PEOPLE STARTED MAKING AMENDMENTS LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT LI IT, FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS THE AVERAGE, WE CUT THE LIBRARY BY 2 MILLION.
UM, BUT, BUT WHAT, HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN? SO THEN LET'S MAKE AN AMENDMENT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT LIBRARIES.
SO I, I THINK WHAT IF WE ALL DO THAT, THAT'LL GIVE US KIND OF A TEMPLATE TO WORK WITH AND TO START.
AND THEN THOSE THAT COULDN'T BE IN TODAY'S MEETING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK TOGETHER ON MONDAY.
IS THIS TIMEFRAME WORK? I WAS TRYING TO JUST GRAB PEOPLE'S LUNCH HOUR THEY COULD EAT AT THEIR OFFICE OR WHATEVER.
SO 11 OR 12, WHICH TIME IT, IT DOES WORK.
AND IF THERE WERE EIGHT PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO CUT X BY Y DOLLARS, IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW.
THAT'S A GOOD, SO WE'LL GET THAT TEMPLATE OUT FRAN, AND I'LL WORK ON GETTING THAT OUT.
AND WE'LL SAY, WE'LL GET A START, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE LOW SCENARIO WE'LL HAVE EVERYTHING IT INCLUDES AND THEN HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET TO EQUAL TO 22 MILLION.
SO I MEAN IT CUTS OF 22 MILLION AND WHAT IT EQUALS TO 200 MILLION.
AND BEN, IS BEN STILL WITH US? BEN? UM, I THINK HE DROPPED.
HEY BEN, IF WE'VE ONLY GOT 48, WE NEED YOUR HELP PROJECT WISE BECAUSE IT'S, I THINK IT'S IT'S GONNA BE HORRIBLE, BUT IT MAKES, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO FUND PROJECTS COMPLETELY AND NOT LEAVE US WITH THAT SCENARIO, SCENARIO OF NOBODY HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THEIR PROJECT AND THEN THE MONEY ESSENTIALLY COMES BACK TO HAUNT.
WILL YOU HAVE SOME HELP FOR US ON THAT? YES.
AND DO WE NEED TO GET, UM, THAT THE MEMO THAT'S CIRCULATING CITY HALL REGARDING THIS, I MEAN THIS MYERSON TO ALL OF US TOO.
FRAIN AND I KNOW THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT MEMO AS SOON, PRETTY SOON.
WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET THAT CIRCULATED OUT TO ALL OF YOU AND IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO US BY FRIDAY THAT WE APPRECIATE IT AND THEN WE WILL GET A EVIDE OUT AND IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO IT, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE FOR MONDAY.
YEAH, IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PUBLIC PUBLIC MEETING, IT WASN'T ONE, WELL, IT, THEY HAVE RECORDED THIS SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO POST IT.
SO IT WILL BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.