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WELL, I'M GONNA OFFICIALLY CALL[Dallas 2024 Bond Critical Facilities Subcommittee Meeting on October 30, 2023.]
THE MEETING TO ORDER.UM, IT'S 1105 AND, UM, THIS JENNIFER GATES, THE CHAIR OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRITICAL FACILITIES FOR THE 2024 BOND OR 24 BOND PROGRAM.
SO I'M GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS THAT WE, UM, WE'VE BEEN THE, I KNOW YOU'RE, I HEAR A LOT OF FRUSTRATION THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS, UM, TO CUT DOWN TO 200 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT THE TASK FORCE HAS ASKED US TO DO.
AND THESE ARE CRITICAL NEEDS THAT THE CITY HAS CONTINUED TO DEFER, UH, SOME OF 'EM FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
UM, ALL WE CAN DO, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THIS ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, HIGH LOW.
THERE MAY BE TASK FORCE MEMBERS THAT TRY TO, UM, PUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS BACK IN, IF POSSIBLE.
THEY'RE MEET, THEY HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED ON SATURDAY AND IT WILL, UM, IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, AND I THINK, I THINK IT'S SCHEDULED FROM EIGHT TO FOUR.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA BE IN PERSON OR JUST THERE VIRTUALLY, BUT I, THE LAST ONE, WE WEREN'T, WE WERE ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT WE WERE NOT, IT REALLY WASN'T A DISCUSSION WITH THE, THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS.
IT WAS THE TASK FORCE OPINING ON HOW, HOW TO CUT THE CATEGORIES.
THEY MAY TAKE THIS UP, UM, WHEN THEY SEE WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AND ADD OR SUBTRACT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S GONNA WORK.
AND MY, AND I, TO BE HONEST, I THINK I'VE SHARED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS LEVEL, THERE'S THE TASK FORCE LEVEL, THEN IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL.
AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS TOO, IF IT GETS PUT ON A SHELF, BECAUSE THE ELECTION IS NOT CALLED UNTIL THE NOVEMBER OF 24, THEN THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF OUR WORK TO GET PUT ON THE, ON THE SIDE AND REEVALUATED AGAIN.
NOW, THEY MAY JUST BRING US ALL BACK IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND SAY, IS THIS STILL RELEVANT? HAS ANYTHING CHANGED? ARE THEY BE ABLE, THEY COULD ADDRESS SOME, I THINK SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THE GENERAL FUND OR OTHER MECHANISMS, UM, OF FUNDING.
UH, POSSIBLY LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW, IF THERE'S ANY MONEY, I, UM, AND MAYBE EFRAN CAN ADDRESS THIS THAT WAS LEFT IN THE 2000 BOND.
UM, LIKE WAS THERE ANYTHING RELATED TO THE MYERSON? 'CAUSE THERE WAS MYERSON MONEY, UM, AND THEN THEY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO GO FORWARD, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING THERE THAT AT LEAST WOULD BE THE SEED MONEY TO HELP WITH THAT PROJECT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE ANSWERS, BUT THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF, UM, THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AND EVALUATED.
UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND IF ANYBODY IS NOT TURNED IN, WE, I ASKED ALL OF YOU TO DO YOUR OWN CUTS, SO WE WOULD HAVE A STARTING POINT.
WE COULD AVERAGE WHAT EVERYBODY WAS RECOMMENDING.
UM, IF ANYBODY, UM, I THINK ENRIQUE JUST SENT HIS IN.
THAT, IS ANYBODY ELSE PREPARED TO DO THAT? THAT HASN'T DONE THAT ALREADY? I CAN DO THAT LATER THIS AFTERNOON, BUT IT WON'T BE IN TIME FOR THIS MEETING.
UH, DERE, I JUST SENT MINE IN RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, UH, RIGHT, RIGHT.
A LITTLE LATER THAN THE FRIDAY ASK, BUT, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S IN YOUR INBOX AND I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO WHATEVER RATIONALE I USED IT MAKE.
GETTING TO 200 AND ENRIQUE THIS, UH, FRA SORRY.
UM, OH, IF YOU CAN, OH, IF YOU CAN, UH, THANK YOU.
IS THIS BETTER? NO, THAT'S FINE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
I JUST SAID EARLIER, EEN THAT, UH, UH, APOLOGIZING FOR, I, I DID SEND IN MY SPREADSHEET, BUT I SENT IT ABOUT TWO MINUTES BEFORE, UM, BEFORE THIS MEETING STARTED, SO YOU'LL HAVE IT IN YOUR, UH, INBOX.
I HAVE NOT SEEN IT COME IN YET, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IT'LL COME IN IF, IF, IF WE NEED TO, I'LL, I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN.
I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO HOW I GOT TO 200 MILLION AND THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF WE JUST, THOSE THAT HAVE TURNED IN AND I CAN BEGIN, I WOULD, I TURNED IN, UM, NUMBERS IF WE WANNA GO THROUGH AND JUST SAY KIND OF HOW WE GOT THERE, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, KIND OF THE AVERAGES OF THOSE THAT HAVE TURNED IN NUMBERS YEAH.
THOSE DATES, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO SHARE THE, THE SPREADSHEET THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE AS AL? YEAH, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T THE I THE ONES YEAH, IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT.
AND THEN I'LL START, AND THOSE THAT HAVE TURNED IT, I'LL JUST CALL ON ALL THE DISTRICTS AND, AND THOSE THAT HAVE TURNED IN CAN SPEAK TO IT.
OR IF YOU HAVEN'T TURNED IN AND YOU WANNA SAY TWO MINUTES OF WHERE YOU THINK THE CUTS CAN COME TO WE, THEN WE CAN,
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UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE SPEND THE FIR THE NEXT 20 MINUTES, I THINK JUST SAYING HOW WE GOT THERE.UM, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS HOW WE WANNA AVERAGE IT AND, AND TURN IT BACK INTO THE TASK FORCE.
SO I'LL, I'LL START, BUT AS A CHAIR, I MEAN, I, AGAIN, IT, IT'S, THIS IS EXTREMELY CHALLENGING.
IT, IT PARTICULAR, BECAUSE IF WE CUT, IT'S AN ENTIRE PROJECT AND THEN YOU LOSE THE, THE WHOLENESS OF, YOU KNOW, WE INCLUDED LIKE TWO LIBRARIES, ONE FROM THE NORTH AND ONE FROM THE SOUTH, AND THEN THE ADA REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT'S HARD IF YOU TAKE OFF ONE, IT DOESN'T BALANCE THE LIBRARY PROGRAM.
SO I DIDN'T TOUCH LIBRARIES, I DIDN'T TOUCH ARTS AND CULTURE.
UM, BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER $4 MILLION ASK THAT'S GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
SO ESSENTIALLY IF WE PUT THE MYERSON IN THERE, IT'S GONNA CUT, UM, THE OTHER PROGRAMS BY 4 MILLION.
I DIDN'T ADDRESS THE MYERSON AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T ADDRESS ARTS AND CULTURE.
UM, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, UH, THE NEEDS, THIS IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY HAS THE GREATEST NEEDS INVENTORY OF ALL THE AREAS.
UM, SO I DIDN'T GO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I AM INVOLVED IN THE POLICE TRAINING FACILITY, UM, PRIVATE FUNDRAISING SIDE, TRYING TO GET DONORS.
AND IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THE DONORS ARE, UM, WANTING TO SEE THIS AS A 50 50 PROPOSAL.
AND WE'VE GOT 20 FROM THE STATE, AND THIS 50 FROM THE CITY WOULD MAKE IT THAT, AND IT WOULD JEOPARDIZE THE PRIVATE FUNDING GOING FORWARD.
IT'S, IT'S A SHOVEL READY PROJECT.
WE HAVE THE 10 MILLION ALREADY ABLE TO SPEND THE 10 MILLION OF THE 20, AND THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD, PUBLIC SAFETY'S MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, UM, GEARED UP FOR THAT PROJECT.
AND IT'S BEEN DELAYED FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, THE CITY FACILITIES, THIS IS STILL GREATLY UNDERFUNDED, UM, BUT I TOOK IT OUTTA INFORMATION TECHNOLOGIES AT THIS POINT, THE 22 MILLION.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT SOME OF THAT, INCLUDING THE MOVE AND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE IN JANUARY 1ST.
I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO FIND MONEY IMMEDIATELY AND NOT WAIT ON THIS BOND, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND THEY NEED TO TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC VIEW OF IS THIS THE BEST CHOICE? UM, I KNOW THE, THE BUILDING'S AVAILABLE TO THEM, BUT WE'VE ASKED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT QUESTIONS RELATED TO OUTSOURCING AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THOSE POTENTIAL ANSWERS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, THERE'S A STRONG PUSH THAT THE BUILDING'S READY AND WE NEED TO UTILIZE IT AND MOVE AND, AND IT'S A, IT'S A CRITICAL NEED FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR DATA.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE, UM, PUSHED OUT THAT MUCH FURTHER AND THEY NEED TO FIND THE MONEY THAT THEY CAN START THAT PROCESS NOW AND, UM, HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHERE I TOOK THE MONEY.
UM, ENRIQUE, WE'LL JUST START WITH DISTRICT ONE THEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S GOT IT AT THIS POINT.
BUT IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO HOW YOU CAME UP TO YOURS, UH, SUGGESTION.
AND, UH, I'VE, I, I JUST REALIZED THAT THE VERSION I SENT, UH, HAD A SLIGHT ERROR.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SPEAK TO SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM, FROM WHAT YOU SAW.
UM, ESSENTIALLY I AGREE WITH JENNIFER, EVERYTHING THAT JENNIFER SAID, UM, I WANNA REITERATE THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING THE LIBRARY, UH, FOR DISTRICT ONE.
AND SO, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
UH, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT I HAVE FROM JENNIFER'S SUGGESTION IS THAT I THINK IT, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO, I, I BROUGHT THE DMA AMOUNT UP TO 20 MILLION.
I DO THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UM, IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT THEY'RE, UH, GOING INTO CAPITAL CAMPAIGN TO RAISE 175 MILLION.
SO IT WOULD HURT THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
I MEAN, 20 MILLION IS AN INVESTMENT, UH, TO GIVE CONFIDENCE TO POTENTIAL DONORS THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THE ASSETS THAT THEY'RE HELPING US, UH, PRODUCE AND CREATE.
SO I, I BROUGHT DMA UP TO 20 MILLION AND I TOOK THAT OUT OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, UH, BECAUSE I, I JUST, I UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THE NEED IS TO UPGRADE THAT DEPARTMENT.
UM, I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION TO KNOW WHERE IT GOES AND HOW TO BREAK IT UP INTO BLOCKS.
SO, AS I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, IF COUNCIL OR THE TASK FORCE THINKS THAT THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK IN, THEN I HOPE THEY WOULD DO IT AS A, UM, AS A MAKING THE PIPE BIGGER FORMULA RATHER THAN TAKING AWAY FROM SOME OF THE OTHERS.
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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.UM, SORRY, I WAS LOOKING FOR A PIECE OF MY COPIES.
UM, THANKS FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO DISTRICT THREE.
ARE YOU ON, I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR NAME ON THE, WE WE GOT THE, I BELIEVE WE, WE, WE, UH, WE, UH, MISSED DISTRICT TWO.
UM, AND I DID SEE MR. UH, MADANO.
DO YOU WANNA HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE ADAM STARTS? EFRAM, CAN YOU EMAIL THIS TO ALL OF US? I APPRECIATE YOUR SCREEN SHARE, BUT MY EYESIGHT IS NOT THAT GOOD.
AND IF YOU EMAIL IT TO ME, I CAN PUT IT UP ON MY LARGE MONITOR.
I'LL BE JUST, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
HELLO? CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? YES.
NO, I WAS, I WAS KIND OF EXACTLY LOOKED AT THE CUTS SIMILAR TO OUR CHAIR.
UM, AFTER TALKING TO SOME OF THE COMMUNITY LEADERS IN DISTRICT TWO AND THEN OVER, AND THEN SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DIDN'T TOUCH, UM, LIBRARIES, ARTS AND CULTURE OR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THAT'S JUST HOW I ALSO WAS ON COUNCIL.
UM, SO IT'S, THEY'RE SIMILAR TO THE CHAIRS, CUTS, AND THE SAME REASONS.
SO, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WENT WITH.
UH, DISTRICT THREE, ARE YOU ON, I'M LOOKING THROUGH ALL THE NAMES.
WE DO NOT, UM, HAVE ANY NUMBERS FROM YOU ALREADY.
UM, ARE YOU ON, UH, CHAIR GATES, UH, FOR ROGER? UM, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HIM IN DISTRICT THREE FOR ROGER.
YEAH, I DON'T SEE IT, BUT HE DID SEND HIS NUMBERS.
LET'S, UM, SO IF EVERYBODY NOW, SO FOR DISTRICT THREE, ROGER HAD LIBRARIES.
HE DID DO SOME CUTS IN LIBRARIES.
HE CUT THE PRO PERCENTAGE OF THE PRO, HE CUT, UH, DOLLARS OUT OF PARTICULAR PROJECTS, NOT JUST ELIMINATING PROJECTS.
THE PRESTON ROYAL AND THE NORTH OAK CLIFF.
UM, AND THEN HE CUT THE POLICE ACADEMY PROJECT FROM 50 TO 34 50.
SO THAT'S WHERE HE GOT GOT DOWN TO 1 99.
SO, AND YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL HAVE THAT ON YOUR SCREEN NOW.
I MEAN, EMAILED TO YOU AND DISTRICT FOUR.
UM, ARE YOU ON, LET ME LOOK FOR, I DIDN'T SEE JUANA FEL.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE JUANA ON EITHER.
AND, AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY NUMBERS FROM, UH, OKAY.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY NU YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY NUMBERS FOR ALICIA EITHER, HAVE YOU? NO.
UM, DISTRICT SIX, UM, I DON'T SEE YOU ON, UH, OKAR OR ANY NUMBERS.
DISTRICT SEVEN, UM, THAT IS ME, LASHER WALKER.
AND LASHER, YOU, YOU, YOU SENT SOME NUMBERS, CORRECT? YES.
SO I, I PRETTY MUCH, IT WAS SO HARD AND I DIDN'T WANNA DO IT, BUT I DID CUT ONE OF THE LIBRARIES AND I CUT, UM, ONE OF THE, UM, FIRE STATIONS, THE ONE ON OAK LAWN.
BUT I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT WE CAN LEAN MORE TOWARDS, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY CUTTING, BECAUSE, UM, THE ONLY REASON I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ONE, BUT I WAS LIKE, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST YEAR WITH CYBERSECURITY AND ALL OF THAT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR, OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SYSTEM.
BUT NOW LISTENING TO AND KNOWING THAT THE BOND MONEY IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL MUCH, MUCH LATER, AND THEY NEED THAT HELP RIGHT NOW, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF CUTTING INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
UM, DISTRICT EIGHT, UM, JUAN GARCIA, ARE YOU ON? JUAN? I DON'T GO THROUGH THIS LIST.
I DON'T SEE JUAN ON, AND WE, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM HIM? EFRON? NO, I DID NOT, MA'AM.
UM, ALAN, HAVE WE HEARD FROM ALAN?
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I HAVE NOT.DISTRICT 10, I KNOW ROB IS ON, AND WE DID GET DATA FROM RON.
I, I WENT BACK THROUGH ALL MY NOTES AND THINGS, UH, AND I, I TOOK A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH, UH, ON, ON THE, THE FIRE STATION AND DISTRICT FIVE.
UH, I RECALLED ON THEIR BUDGET THAT THAT INCLUDED A LAND ELEMENT.
AND, UH, THEY HAVE LAND FOR A FIRE STATION THERE.
NOT TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE FIRE STATION, BUT WHAT I THOUGHT THE LAND, WHAT I THOUGHT THE LAND COST WOULD BE, UH, I I REDUCED THE, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
I DO THINK THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SPEND IT ON, BUT I DO THINK WE'RE WAY CRITICAL ON, ON THAT.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THEIR BREAKDOWN, THEY HAD FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF MOVING COSTS.
AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE BOND EXPENSE FOR MOVING COSTS.
SO I REDUCED THEIRS FROM 30 TO 25, AND THEN, UH, I REDUCED A MILLION OUT OF THE ADA IN THE LIBRARIES IN THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY.
I REDUCED IT TO MATCH THE, UH, CRESCENT ROYAL LIBRARY.
AND I DID THAT FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE, UH, I AGREED THAT IT NEEDS SOMETHING.
BUT IF WE CAN REDO PRESTON AND ROYAL, WHICH IS A 25 YEAR OLD OLDER BUILDING FOR ALMOST $9 MILLION AND MAKE IT WORKABLE, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT RENOVATING THE EXISTING BUILDING OR DOING A PARTNERSHIP WITH SOMEONE THAT THEY HAVE ADJOINING LAND.
AND, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF YOU CONTRIBUTE EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION, ALMOST $9 MILLION INTO A JOINT VENTURE WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE LAND, THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE PLENTY TO DO A DEVELOPMENT THERE WHERE YOU CAN PUT IN THE LIBRARY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A MORE OVERALL ECONOMIC COST.
I AGREE WITH JENNIFER THAT YES, I'M SORRY.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR ARTS ALLOCATION.
YOU HAD NOTED UHHUH 45 MILLION, BUT I DIDN'T SEE A, A BREAKDOWN OF THAT REDUCTION.
WAS THERE A PARTICULAR LINE ITEM OR WERE YOU THINKING? UM, I BELIEVE THAT IN THE ARTS LINE ITEMS, THERE WERE, THERE CONTINUE TO BE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT BOND ELIGIBLE MONIES.
KRISTEN, I MEAN, WHEN I SEE REPLACEMENT OF DOORS ON BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT 20 YEARS OLD, TO ME, THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT A BOND ELIGIBLE ITEM.
AND, UH, I I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO GO BACK THROUGH AND SCRUB ALL OF THOSE AND REMOVE THE BOND ELIGIBLE ITEMS. I'M, I DON'T DISAGREE.
THE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND BOND MONEY ON LESS THAN 20 YEAR PROJECTS.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY ON BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T 20 YEARS OLD THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE SPENDING.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHY I REDUCED THAT THERE.
SORRY, I JUST WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR, UM, FROM, FROM THE LIST.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY ROB, ON YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY.
UM, I THINK YOUR IDEA OF HAVING A PARTNERSHIP WITH A DEVELOPER IS, IS A REALLY GOOD ONE.
ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CONVERSATIONS AROUND THAT OR HAS THERE ANY BASIS BEEN SET UP FOR THAT? UH, I, I WOULD THINK THAT IT'S A VERY HOT AREA OF OAK CLIFF.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND THERE BETWEEN THE LIBRARY AND THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, THE RETAIL THAT THEY, THEY'VE ACQUIRED, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME VERY RIPE FOR A MIXED USE PROJECT WITH A CITY FACILITY ON THE FIRST FLOOR, MULTIFAMILY ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR.
UH, IT'S A GREAT WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, I, I THINK, UH, AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN RENOVATE THE, IF YOU CAN RENOVATE THE EXISTING CRESTOR ROYAL BUILDING AND, AND MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL FOR 8.7, AND YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A 25 YEAR NEWER BUILDING AND MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL FOR A SIMILAR AMOUNT.
SO THAT'S HOW I CAME UP WITH THAT.
WHAT FIRE STATION WERE YOU, DID YOU SAY, UH, MADE SENSE TO, TO, TO ADDRESS OR CUT? ONE IN DISTRICT FIVE, WHICH IS THE ONE OVER NEAR, UH, NUMBER 40, EXCUSE ME, DISTRICT SIX, NUMBER 43.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY ONLY CLARIFICATION.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE ON MY LIST.
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ALL RIGHT.ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR ROB? ALL RIGHT, YOU ARE YOU ALREADY LA OR, UM, I SEE YOU ON AND UM, I THINK, DID YOU SEND IN? YES, I DID.
I GOT YOURS UP BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
UM, THIS WAS, AS I, I WANT TO ECHO IT WAS REALLY, REALLY HARD TO DO.
UM, I KIND OF TOOK, UM, BRUCE'S, WHAT BRUCE WAS SAYING, DOING SOMETHING UNPOPULAR, UH, APPROACH OF CUTTING A LIBRARY AND CUTTING A FIRE STATION, WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT'S WISE, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD SEND A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A MESSAGE POTENTIALLY, UH, IF WE DID THAT.
'CAUSE THAT MIGHT CAUSE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION.
UM, AS I SAID LAST WEEK, I DON'T BELIEVE CUTTING, UH, THE ARTS IS, IS, IS FAIR BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH, UM, ROB MAY MAKES A GOOD POINT THAT THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE, WE KNOW THAT ON TOP OF THOSE 53 MILLION, THERE'S THE MYERSON ASK, WHICH WILL REALLY BUMP UP THAT NUMBER EVEN MORE.
UM, I ALSO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IT PIECE.
I THOUGHT ABOUT CUTTING FROM THERE TOO.
SO JENNIFER, I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU MENTIONED.
I THINK I COULD GET BEHIND THAT, UM, AS WELL.
I JUST, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T GIVE US GREAT DETAIL, WHAT THE PICTURES AND WHAT THEY SHOWED, THAT THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE WITH IT AND THE CITY IS VERY SCARY.
IT'S ATROCIOUS JUST THINKING OF A DATA BREACH, A WEATHER SITUATION, EVERYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG, AND THE COST IMPLICATION OF THAT, IF WE DON'T ADDRESS IT, REALLY CONCERNS ME.
COULD I GET BEHIND THAT AND REFUND THE LIBRARY AND REFUND THE FIRE STATION? PROBABLY.
BUT I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED.
BUT YOU BRING UP AN EXCELLENT POINT THAT THAT CAN'T WAIT.
RIGHT? SO MAYBE THAT IS A WAY, MAYBE IF WE CUT THERE, UH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND IT STILL SENDS THE MESSAGE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ANYWHERE GOOD TO CUT.
SO I, I DID KIND OF GO WITH THE UNPOPULAR UH, CUTS.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO DISTRICT 12.
AND I'M ON, CHRISTINE IS ON, SO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND JUST, UH, WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD CONCUR WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND ADAM'S RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD CUT IN A ONE LARGE PROJECT.
I THINK THAT AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH IT BEING INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT PHASING OR THINGS THAT WERE UNFUNDABLE OR THINGS THAT HAVE AN IMMEDIACY, BECAUSE BOND FUNDING ISN'T GONNA BE ELIGIBLE UNTIL ALL THE WAY THROUGH 2030, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT OUTSIDE OF THIS, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A CUT THAT SHORES US UP WITH A, A PRES PRESERVATION OF AS MANY PROJECTS AS POSSIBLE, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AT SOME POINT US MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT THE MYERSON BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SUPREMELY UNFAIR THAT THEY WERE PROMISED MONEY IN 2017 AND IT JUST KIND OF RAN OUT.
SO WHETHER THAT COMES FROM GENERAL FUND OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, THAT'S THE ONE OTHER THING THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, COULD BE TWEAKED.
SO TO ROB'S POINT, IF THERE ARE EFFICIENCIES FROM, UM, LOOKING AT ART PROJECTS AND THERE ARE PORTIONS THAT AREN'T FUNDABLE, THEN PERHAPS THAT WOULD CREATE THAT POCKET OF FUNDING, UM, FOR OUR TO, TO ADDRESS THE ROOFS AT THE MYERSON.
UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURE AND WE ALWAYS BRING UP, YOU KNOW, KALITA FORD, I WOULDN'T TAKE A PENNY FROM THEM.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO ALSO REALIZE MYERSON'S AN IM PAY.
IT'S, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A SIGNIFICANT LANDMARK FOR OUR COMMUNITY FROM THE ARTS.
AND I WOULD WANT TO TRY OUR BEST TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THEM OVERARCHING TO KEN'S POINT, I, I HAVE TO IMAGINE, AS MUCH AS I GENUINELY LOVE PARKS AND RECS AND TRAILS AND USE THEM MYSELF, THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD REALLY ADVOCATE FOR 25 MILLION TO STAY WITH CRITICAL FACILITIES BECAUSE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON PROGRAMS AND BUILDINGS THAT WE ALREADY OWN IS COSTING US MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
UM, AND IT IS DAMAGING THINGS THAT, UH, THAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
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SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU.DISTRICT 13, UM, BAHIR ON, I KNOW, I, I SAW BAHIR ON THERE.
CAN YOU SEE ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, I CAN SEE YOU NOW.
SO, YEAH, I, I DIDN'T SUBMIT ANYTHING 'CAUSE I SAW THE, I THINK I SAW A VERSION OF FRAME SEND THAT HAD THE CHAIR'S RECOMMENDATION, I GUESS IS YOURS.
WE SAW THE PROBLEM WITH CYBER ISSUES, BUT I, I JUST FELT IT WAS A GROUP THAT HAS A LOT OF NEED, BUT I NEVER FELT THE PROPOSALS REALLY, UH, COALESCED INTO A, A SPECIFIC CAPITAL CAMPAIGN THAT I REALLY UNDERSTOOD WITH THE WAY SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS DID.
UM, SO THAT I, I WAS GONNA JUST SAY I, I SUPPORT THE, THE CHAIR RECOMMENDATION.
I NOTICED SOME OF THE ONES THAT CAME IN, MAYBE AFTER SOME OF THEM WERE TRYING TO SUGGEST USS NOT DO THE PRESTON ROYAL.
UH, THIS THIRTEENS BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THAT.
IT WAS PROMISED ACTUALLY A NEW LIBRARY A WHILE BACK.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE EVEN HAD DRAWINGS AT ONE POINT OF WHAT THIS IS WHAT THE NEW LIBRARY'S GONNA BE LIKE.
THIS WAS THE LAST BONDS, UM, THEY WERE SITTING IN OUR, UM, IN OUR LOBBY FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEN IT'S KIND OF MOVED TO THIS CURRENT VERSION, WHICH LOOK, WE'RE JUST GONNA RENOVATE IT.
UH, WE HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THIS THAT WE'D BE LEVERAGING THAT FROM THE LAND THAT WE HAD BOUGHT AND THEN SOLD.
UH, SO I DON'T WANNA ADVOCATE THOUGH, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP PRESTON ROYAL, UH, IN THE BOND PROGRAM.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I AGREE WITH THE, UH, THE CHAIR'S RECOMMENDATION OF TAKING IT FROM IT.
UM, BRUCE AND, UH, DISTRICT 14, I WON'T VENT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, UH, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I WOULD GO WITH IT.
UM, I'D PULL, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD STRIKE THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY BECAUSE I THINK CHAD WILL FIGHT AND GET IT PUT BACK
SO, AND, AND THAT'S A CONSIDERED OPINION, AND I THINK HE'LL EITHER FIGHT TO GET IT REFUNDED AND, AND PREVAIL IN THAT, OR HE WILL WORK THOSE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND HE'LL COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT NUMBER.
I TRUST HIM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO I WOULD CUT IT, UM, I WOULD CUT, UH, THE, UH, FIRE STATION NUMBER 11 BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE, AND THIS IS, THIS IS SOME INTEL FROM, FROM, UH, RIDLEY AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE WHO WENT TO THE FIRE STATIONS AND HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS AFTER OUR MEETING.
THEY LIKE THEIR KITCHEN, THEIR, WHAT THEY LACK IN THE ANTIQUITY OF THE BUILDING GETS REALLY COMPLICATED WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT PLAN FOR THE REDO.
AND IN PARTICULAR, THAT FIRE ENGINES WOULD HAVE TO WORK IN AND OUT OF THAT SIDE STREET.
AND THERE ARE SOME INTERSECTION ISSUES WHERE IT'S HARD FOR THE TRUCKS TO EVEN GET OUT ON THE ROUTE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IN THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT DEVELOPMENT IS WELL BAKED.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WENT FOR.
AND, AND GIVEN THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH THE STATUS QUO, MUCH HAPPIER THAN 43, UH, WHICH IS IN DIRE CONDITION ON MANY LEVELS, UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SOLID CUT, THEN TAKE THE REMAINDER OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, IT AND LET THE COUNCIL WORRY ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
I THINK THAT PRESERVES THE MOST INFRASTRUCTURE.
I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT THE OAK CLIFF LIBRARY WOULD COME RIGHT BACK THE MINUTE IT GETS TO THE HORSESHOE AND CHAD STARTS STOMPING AND SCREAMING AND ALL WILL BE WELL.
SO BRUCE, YOU CUT MORE THAN WHAT WE NEEDED TO CUT, RIGHT? SO BACKFILL
WELL, I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED, AND THIS HAPPENS WITH ALL PROJECTS, IS, I MEAN, THEY GOT SOME BIDS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA COST.
AND THE CITY, NOW, THIS IS WHAT THE HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING IT, ONE, IF THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, AND I THINK THEY'VE DETERMINED, DETERMINED THAT, AND THEN TWO, THEY ESTIMATE THOSE ARE THE COSTS.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INFLATIONARY NUMBERS AND THE MANAGEMENT FEES AND OTHER DOLLARS THAT ARE BAKED INTO IT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S HOW THEY'VE GOT, AND THEY REEVALUATED AND NOW THEY, THEY THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE REPAIRS THAT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR.
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WHAT THE CITY'S DETERMINED.AND, UH, I, THEY DID MAKE A DETERMINANT DETERMINATION, AT LEAST AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
I KNOW THIS, THAT THE ELEVATORS WERE, UH, LEGIT SO FAR AS THEY WERE CONCERNED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BOND.
HEY, UM, KEN, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU ADD, BASED ON HAVING TAKEN AWAY, UH, 5 MILLION FOR THE MYERSON ON YOUR PROPOSAL? UM, YES, I'D GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT IN A SUPPORTIVE MANNER, BUT NOBODY HAS LIKE ADDED IN LINE ITEMS SAYING, HEY, WE SHOULD ADDRESS THIS.
AND EVEN IF IT IS JUST ADDRESSED ONCE AS WE PUSH THIS RECOMMENDATION, THEN MAYBE THEY CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, YEAH, OKAY, WELL IF WE'RE SLASHING OR CUTTING OR WHATEVER, WHAT IS OUR OBLIGATION TO SOMEBODY WHO WAS PRIOR FUNDED? JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, JUST LIKE BESS SHEAR'S POINT THERE, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION FROM THE COMMUNITY WHEN THERE'S FUNDS THAT ARE KIND OF DISCUSSED, UM, FOR A PRIOR BOND AND THEN NOT ACTUALIZED.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ALLUDING TO, THAT WE JUST GO AHEAD AND SET THEIR FIGHT UP FOR THEM.
SO A PROM, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY MONEY IN THE 2017 BOND THAT'S, THAT WAS, I MEAN, IT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE MYERSON WAS NOT ABLE TO BE USED FOR THE MYERSON, UM, BECAUSE THE COST ESTIMATES WERE TOO MUCH TOO HIGH.
SO IS IS THERE MONEY SITTING THERE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT QUESTION? SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CHAIR GATES, UM, I I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS, UM, ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM OTHER, FROM PREVIOUS BONDS OTHER THAN THE BONDS THAT WERE UTILIZED FOR MYERSON.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, BENJAMIN CAN, CAN GO AHEAD AND CONFIRM THAT.
CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? YEP.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? HEAR YOU? GREAT, BECAUSE I'M USING MY IPHONE
SO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE MYERSON IS EXACTLY WHAT FRA WAS SAYING.
SO THE MYERSON WAS ALLOCATED 3.8 MILLION IN THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM.
PROJECT AT THE MYERSON DID NOT BEGIN UNTIL 2020.
SO YOU CAN THINK ABOUT COST ESCALATION, AND I BELIEVE, UM, SOMEONE ELSE WAS MENTIONING ABOUT THE MYERSON, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN IM PAY BUILDING AND THE INTRICACY OF THE WORK OF EACH SINGLE, UH, THE CONWAY, THE GLASS WINDOW, THE CUR, THE CURVED GLASS WINDOW, EVERY PIECE OF GLASS IS A DIFFERENT SIZE FOR THE SAKE OF BEAUTY.
SO OBVIOUSLY BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
WE ALSO HAD $830,000 LEFT FROM THE 2006 BOND THAT WE THEN HAD TO USE TO ALLOCATE, BECAUSE THE 3.8, OBVIOUSLY AFTER THE MANAGEMENT FEE, AND ACTUALLY AFTER THE PROJECTS BEGAN IN 2020, WERE NOT ENOUGH TO COVER JUST EVEN THE WATER INFILTRATION AND THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.
SO THE ISSUE THERE WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT, THAT THE FUNDING WAS NOT ENOUGH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING BACK WITH THE MEMO, WITH THE REQUEST BECAUSE WE, THROUGH THE RESTATED AND AMENDED AGREEMENT WITH THE MYERSON, WHERE THEY TOOK OVER MANAGEMENT, OPERATIONS, MANAGEMENT AND OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE, REGULAR MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING, THE CITY HAS ITS OBLIGATIONS.
AND SO THEREFORE THESE ARE THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE MEMO, WHICH ARE $4 MILLION BY 2020 $7.
UM, THAT'S WHY THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE THERE.
SO I'M, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE FILLING IN THIS GRID BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION, IT SOUNDS TO ME FOR AT LEAST KEN'S THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY ADD A LINE ITEM FOR WHAT, 4 MILLION AND THEN WE WOULD'VE REMOVED LINE SIX COMPLETELY, WHICH THE LIBRARY WE WOULD'VE REMOVED LINE AT THIS POINT IF IT WOULD SHIFT DOWN 24, WHICH WAS, UM, FIRE STATION 11.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IT TRANSLATES TO 28,750,000 FOR, UM, FOR THE, IT THAT GETS HIM A TOTAL OF 8 6 4 360 16, SOMETHING LIKE THAT PUTS IT UNDER 200.
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AND ALSO JUST, IF I MAY, CHRISTINE, I'D LIKE TO 0.1 THING OUT WHEN I DID ALL MY SCRUBBING MM-HMM.SO WE CAN'T TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
TO CLARIFY THEN, BEN, ARE, IS THE DMA REALISTIC WITH ITS REQUEST 15,014,618? LIKE I KNOW, I'M, I'M SORRY.
YOU'RE SAYING, SAY AGAIN? I'M ASKING WHETHER THE MAJORITY OF US PRESERVE THE, UH, THE ASKED FUNDING.
AND I KNOW ZEKE WENT UP TO 20 MM-HMM.
I KNOW HIS RATIONALE TOO, UH, WITH THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN COMING UP SIMILARLY TO
CHRISTINE, THEIR ASK IS 20 MILLION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STICKING TO THEIR ASK OF 20 MILLION.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT AGREEING TO THE 15 MILLION THAT'S I SEE WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND, AND TO COME UP WITH THE 6% FOR CULTURAL ARTS.
UM, THEY ADDED THOSE NUMBERS AND ALLOCATED THAT, BUT THE DMA IS THE ONE THAT'S NOT IN AGREEMENT.
AND THAT CONTINUES AND THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE THROUGH THIS BOND PROCESS TO ASK FOR 20 MILLION IF IT CAN BE FOUND.
SO JENNIFER, MAY I BELIEVE 35 MILLION.
THEY'RE ASKED IF I MAY, ENRIQUE, YES.
UM, SO, UM, I THINK THEIR ORIGINAL ASK INVOLVED THREE COMPONENTS.
AND AS I RECALL, IT WAS MORE THAN 20 MILLION.
AND UM, IT WAS, I REMEMBER ONE OF 'EM WAS, IT WAS 35 MILLION.
AND WE TOOK, WE, WE SCRUBBED IT DOWN AND WE TOOK OUT THE, I THINK THE SECURITY FANCY SOMETHING WITH FANCY SECURITY RELATED TO THE BIG WINDOWS.
BUT WE LEFT IN TWO OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WERE CRITICAL TO, TO KEEP THE ART SAFE.
AND, UH, I FORGET WHAT THE OTHER COMPONENT, WAS IT THE ROOF? IT WAS, UM, BENJAMIN, WHAT WAS IT? IT WAS, UH, UH, FIRE PROTECTION H-H-V-A-C.
IT, IT WAS EITHER HVAC OR SECURITY.
AND I THINK WE TOOK OUT SECURITY AND HVAC AND UH, AND FIRE PROTECTION.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S, UH, TO ENSURE FUTURE INVESTORS THAT WE MAINTAIN THE PROPERTIES AS A CITY.
UH, IT'S ALSO FOR THE SAFETY OF THE ARTWORK, GOD FORBID, UH, WE FIND OUT THAT IN FACT THE, UH, THE FIRE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING AND SOMETHING BURNS DOWN.
UNDER THE CURRENT, UNDER THE CURRENT SCENARIO OF THE DMA GETS 23%, 23 POINT 23.1% OF THE BOND OF THE, OF THE CULTURAL ART, CULTURAL ARTS PORTION OF THE BOND.
UM, SO BENJAMIN, BACK TO THE MYERSON.
SO THE, THE, THE DOLLARS THAT WERE ALLOCATED IN THE 17TH, THEY WERE SPENT, THEY JUST WERE NOT, THERE WAS JUST, THEY WERE NOT ENOUGH, BUT, BUT THEY SPENT WHAT THEY HAD ALLOCATED TO DO THOSE REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.
AND, AND LUCKILY ALSO THE BOND OFFICE FOUND AN ADDITIONAL 830,000 FROM 2006.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YEAH, OKAY.
IT'S JUST, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A MUCH WORSE SITUATION IF WE HAD NOT FOUND THAT 830,000 TO SUPPLEMENT THE VIRUS THEN.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT HELPED, UH, GET A PORTION OF IT COMPLETED.
WHAT PORTION IS COMPLETE? THE WINDOWS? UM, SO WHAT IS COMPLETED IS, UM, SOME OF THE CONOID OF THE, UH, OF THE, SO THE CONOID, THERE WAS SEALANT THAT HAD TO BE PUT BECAUSE OF WATER INFILTRATION.
SO SOME OF THAT PROJECT WAS MOSTLY COMPLETED, BUT THE PROJECT WAS LARGER IN SCOPE THAN WE THOUGHT.
SO WE DID HAVE TO VALUE ENGINEER SOME OF THAT.
THE FIRE ALARM WAS COMPLETED, FULLY COMPLETED.
AND SET TO BE ESTIMATED DATE FOR COMPLETION IS NOVEMBER OF 2023.
AND, UM, ALSO WE WERE WORKING AROUND THE MYERSON'S CALENDAR.
SO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WOULD HAVE TO STOP AND THEN COMMENCE AGAIN.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, AND AGAIN, I CAN'T STRESS THAT, THAT THIS IS THE ONLY I NPA CONCERT HALL IN THE WORLD AND IT'S GORGEOUS AND IT'S, SO, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE THAT THERE'S NO OTHER EASY WAY OF PUTTING IT.
IT'S ACOUSTICALLY SIGNIFICANT TOO.
JUST, JUST, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY.
MAY I,
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ON, UM, IN THAT PRESENTATION, IT LISTS LIKE WHAT WE WERE INCLUDING FOR THE DMA, WHICH WAS PRIMARILY RELATED TO HVAC 'CAUSE IT WAS INSTALLED CHILLER.UM, IT WAS REPLACE SWITCHGEAR, REPLACE AIR HANDLER.
THOSE WERE BOTH EXPENSIVE ITEMS. UM, AND THEN IT WAS REPLACE INSTALL TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY CONTROL CONTROLS, BOXES, VENTILATION MAKEUP, AND UH, INSTALL MAKEUP, AIR DAMPERS AND, AND INSTALL CONTROL.
SO IT IS PRIMARILY RELATED TO CLIMATE CONTROL, IS THE PORTION THAT WE WERE COVERING IN THE BAR.
SO, UM, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, MAYBE IT'S, WELL IT'S NOT PROCEDURAL, BUT W IS IT FAIR TO SEND BACK THE REQUEST FOR THE MYERSON AS A, UM, ASKING THE TASK FORCE OR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IT AN ADD-ON, BECAUSE IT CAME IN AT THE 11TH HOUR FOR US AND KIND OF THROWS EVERYTHING AROUND OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, UH, WE, WE WERE GIVEN A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO SPEND AND THEN WE MADE OUR, UM, NEEDS BIGGER SAY, AND WE COULD DO WHAT WE WANT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA ADJUST POTENTIALLY.
UM, THEY COULD ADJUST ANYTHING, ANY OF OUR PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DETAILED OUT.
SO I THINK WE COULD TAKE A, UM, A VOTE AND SAY WE SUPPORT THE MYERSON OR NOT.
AND THEN, I MEAN, I THINK IT, IT, AND, AND I THINK I'M HERE AND WE DO, BUT LET'S OFFICIALLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE PRESENT, UM, AND THEN WE COULD PUT IT THAT ADD IT ON OR SAY, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT OUT OF THE ARTS AND CULTURE, WHICH WE DO NOT THINK IS FAIR TO THE ARTS AND CULTURES 'CAUSE IT'S, UM, AT THE LAST HOUR AND THEY WORK SO HARD PREPARING THEIR ASK OR, OR SEE IF THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE NOT, UM, OR THEY COULD TAKE IT OUT OF ONE OF OUR OTHER, I MEAN, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO, BUT I, I TAKE IT OUTTA ANOTHER ONE OF OUR CRITICAL FACILITIES IF THEY WANT.
SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD APPROACH.
AND, UH, THIS GOES IN WITH FOOTNOTES OR, OR NOTES TO, YEAH, I THINK WE COULD DO SOME FOOTNOTES AND, AND IF I GET ASKED THIS QUESTION, I'M GONNA SAY WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT IT AND WE, THERE'S JUST CHALLENGING.
I MEAN WE, IT NATURALLY WOULD BE IN WITH ARTS AND CULTURE, BUT WE ALL HAVE A HARD TIME CUTTING THE ARTS AND CULTURE.
I MEAN, WE DID HAVE ONE VOTE, ROB, I THINK WAS THERE JUST ONE VOTE FOR CUTTING, UM, ARTS AND CULTURE.
UM, SO, AND, AND IF, IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF, UM, SO THEY KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS PROCESS.
'CAUSE THEY MIGHT SAY, OH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA OPINE IN ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK OURS IS GONNA BE THE TOUGHEST BECAUSE STREETS IS ALREADY HAS KIND OF A LINE OF, THEY JUST RAISED THE LINE ON STREETS, SO JUST LESS STREETS GET INCLUDED.
STREETS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE OBJECTIVE THAN OUR PROJECTS ARE.
UM, OUR PROJECTS ARE A LOT MORE SUBJECTIVE.
FLOOD ALREADY I THINK KIND OF HAS A LINE AS WELL.
UM, THERE THEY WERE ONE BIG PROJECT, UH, TRYING TO, I THINK PRIMARILY GOING FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY PARKS IS INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS.
UM, SO THEY CAN, UH, PLAY WITH THAT.
AND THEN HOUSING, UM, WAS WHAT THERE WAS DIFFERENT, UM, THEY, THEY ALL TALKED AT THAT, THAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
LIKE THE BRIDGE, UH, WAS STRONG, PRETTY STRONGLY SUPPORTED.
BUT THEN THE ECO DEV, I GUESS THERE COULD BE SOME DISCUSSIONS, BUT I THINK OURS IS GONNA, UM, HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS 'CAUSE OF SO MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD START CHANGING THINGS AROUND.
SO, AND WE'RE CUTTING BONE ON EVERY ONE OF THEM.
AND WE ARE, AND, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
THE TASK FORCE FELT LIKE WE, WE NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF FACILITIES THAT HADN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE, BEFORE WE DID NEW.
AND THEN THERE WAS A PROPOSAL, I, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS AT THE MEETING LAST WEEK, THAT, THAT THEY PUT THINGS IN THAT ARE NEEDS AND THEN THE, THE NEW PROJECTS THEY PUT IN ON THE, THE BALLOT AS IT WOULD HAVE A TAX INCREASE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT, I THINK THAT'S VERY COMPLICATED TO DO.
I THINK IT'S VERY COMPLICATED FOR VOTERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WE, WE CAN SAY WE'RE NOT BUDGETING FOR A TAX INCREASE, BUT WE'RE NOT PROMISING THAT THERE'S NOT A TAX INCREASE BECAUSE IT, WE CAN'T ENCUMBER FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM VOTING, UM, ON THE BUDGET.
AND THEY VOTE FOR THAT PORTION TO BE ALLOCATED TO DEBT REDUCTION EVERY YEAR.
AND THEY COULD, IF THEY COULDN'T, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALLOWED TO GO OUT THERE AND ISSUE BONDS IS 'CAUSE IT'S BACKED BY AN AD VALOREM TAX THAT CAN BE INCREASED.
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ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO THE KIND OF, WE, WE GOTTA COME UP WITH A SOMETHING TO PASS ON.AND IF SO, IF WE COULD, KRISTEN, IF YOU COULD GET YOUR NUMBERS IN TODAY JUST SO WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU PARTICIPATED IN THIS PROCESS.
'CAUSE THEY MIGHT WANNA SEE, UM, WHAT EVERYBODY RECOMMENDED.
UM, ALL I WAS SUGGESTING WAS THAT WE COPY THE, THE, UH, EXACT INFORMATION FROM EITHER YOUR OR DISTRICT TWO.
WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE COLUMN THEN.
AND THEN IF WE WANT TO, DOES SOMEONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE? UH, IT COULD, UM, EFRON, CAN YOU FIGURE OUT THE AVERAGES AND SEE IF WE WANNA START WITH THAT? I CAN, BUT I, I THINK, UH, WE'RE MISSING A LOT OF INFORMATION IN ORDER FOR US TO, UM, COME UP WITH AN AVERAGE.
UM, WELL IF WHAT WAS AVAILABLE OR I, I CAN, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE UP TO, UM, LISTING THAT, UH, CHRISTINE TAKING, UH, THE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS AS, UM, DISTRICT ONE AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS CHAIR.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE THE, UH, THE AVERAGE, SORRY, DISTRICT TWO.
DISTRICT DISTRICT TWO, I'M SORRY.
DISTRICT TWO AND, AND, AND, UM, CHAIR.
ACCEPT DISTRICT 13 ALSO HAS THE SAME AS THE CHAIR.
SO LET ME, LET ME PUT THOSE INFORMATION, THAT INFORMATION NOW, AND UH, IF I MAY SUGGEST JENNIFER, SINCE, I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH GOING WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT WHAT I SUGGESTED.
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD CHUNK OF THE MAJORITY AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, BASED ON WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED, YES, THERE'S GREAT NEED, BUT IT CAN'T WAIT.
SO I'M FINE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND INE OKAY.
TO MATCH WHAT, UM, JENNIFER SUGGESTED.
SO LET ME MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.
SO, SO IS THAT MOTION THOUGH, ESSENTIALLY SUCK IT OUT OF IT AND LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE ALONE.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PRESENT THEM WITH THIS TO SAY WE LOOKED AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES AND BRUCE, I DON'T DISAGREE LIKE THAT THEY WOULD, THAT CHAD WOULD FIGHT BACK FOR THIS.
AND I THINK IF WE TOOK SOMETHING OUT THAT THEY SAW WAS CRITICAL, UH, THAT THEY WOULD FIGHT, THEY WOULD PUT THAT BACK IN.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO DO TO, TO DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS.
UM, IT WON'T HAPPEN TO DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS THOUGH.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND.
SOMEBODY CAN USE THAT AS SAYING, OH, OUR COMMITTEE DIDN'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE VOTED TO DO IT THAT WAY, THEY COULD USE THAT AS OUR COMMITTEE DIDN'T THINK BISHOP ARTS LIBRARY ROSE TO THE NEED.
AND I DON'T WANT THAT INTERPRETED THAT WAY.
I THINK THIS SHOWS THAT WE ALL, WE, WE THINK ALL THESE ARE NEED, AND I, AND I COULD, WE COULD SPEAK TO A, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UM, A CRITICAL NEED BUT THAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST PERPLEXED BY.
AND, AND, AND I KIND, AND TO BE HONEST, THE TASK FORCE KIND OF ALLUDED TO ME, THE MEMBERS I'VE TALKED TO, THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND HOW THAT THOSE, IT AND THE NEEDS ARE SO GREAT.
IS IT REALLY GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEM? JUST STEPPING LITTLE BABY STEPS AT A TIME.
SO I, I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
IF WE DON'T GIVE 'EM AN ANSWER THOUGH, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I, I WASN'T GOING TO LEAVE ANY OF THE QUIET PARTS AND SAID I WAS GONNA SAY ALL THE QUIET PARTS OUT LOUD,
SO THEY WOULD KNOW THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO US AND ALSO THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO, FOR THEM TO SOLVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS IF THEY'RE JUST GONNA PUT 'EM BACK ON US.
AND THEN IS IT OKAY IF I, UH, COULD WE TAKE A VOTE FOR THOSE MEMBERS THAT ARE PRESENT ON THE, IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO US SUPPORTING THE MYERSON? OH, NO, NOT OPPOSED.
UH, NOT OPPOSED, JUST NOT, JUST NOT TAKE IT OUT OF OUR INITIAL REQUEST.
UH, ASK THE TASK FORCE TO, UH, PRESENT IT AS AN ADD-ON.
AND, AND MAYBE IF YOU TALK TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, THEY COULD TALK TO THEIR TA.
THEY HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE TASK FORCE.
SO IF YOU ALL TAKE IT UPON YOURSELVES TO TALK TO YOUR, UM, REPRESENTATIVE, I MEAN YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER, AND ASK THEM, SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DELIBERATED AND DELIBERATED, WE HAVE THIS NEW ASK.
WE THINK THAT CRITICAL FACILITIES NEEDS TO BE INCREASED AND MAYBE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR PERSON, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE FOR THAT AND THE TASK FORCE.
UM, IT MAY, MAY I ADD SOMETHING ELSE? I, I TOO, UM, AGREE.
UH, WITH THE CHAIR'S RECOMMENDATION, WITH THE ONLY ADJUSTMENT THAT, UH, INSTEAD OF
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PUTTING A SMALL AMOUNT INTO INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, WHICH WE KNOW THAT PROJECT NEEDS TO BE, UH, RETHOUGHT OR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CRYSTALLIZED BETTER, UM, I WOULD PUT THOSE 5 MILLION BACK INTO THE D-M-A-I-I, I MEANBUT ENRIQUE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
RIGHT? YOU'RE YOU'RE INCREASING WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
I AM NOT, NO, THEY DID ASK FOR THAT FOR 35 MILLION.
THAT FOR 35, THEY ASKED FOR 35.
AND I THINK THE 20 MILLION, UM, GIVES THEM ENOUGH FOR TWO OF THE THREE COMPONENTS THAT THEY NEED.
AND I THINK THOSE TWO ARE REALLY CRITICAL.
THE THIRD HAS WITH SECURITY, UH, WHICH IS ALSO IMPORTANT, BUT WE DON'T RISK BURNING DOWN A ROTHKO, UH, IF, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DON'T FUND SECURITY, BUT WE DO.
BUT, BUT EVERYONE ASKS FOR MORE THAN WHAT'S ON THE SPREADSHEET.
I MEAN, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU FUNDAMENTALLY, BUT TO GO BACK AND TO INCREASE WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY SCRUBBED DOWN WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE TO ADD THE MYERSON, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC.
BUT BUT TO BE CLEAR, UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE DMA THAT'S SCRUBBED DOWN.
IT WAS THE OFFICE OF CULTURAL AFFAIRS.
UH, IS IT O-C-A-O-E HAVE, BUT IT WAS A COLLECTIVE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE, A COLLECTIVE SCRUB DOWN.
WE, I I HAD A CHANCE TO ASK THE DMA AT ONE OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, THIS IS HOW WE GOT TO THE 20 MILLION.
THERE WERE 35, I THINK THE CITY HAD BROUGHT IT DOWN TO 11 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, IN CONVERSATION THEY SAID THEY CAN, THEY CAN LIVE WITH 20.
AND THAT TAKES CARE OF THE TWO CRITICAL COMPONENTS THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND IT TAKES OUT THE, I'M TRYING TO SAY IT'S NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ICING ON THEIR CAKE.
I I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUFF THAT GOES OUT IS ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE TWO ISSUES THEY CAN IN THERE.
'CAUSE YOU, WELL, LIKE MANY OF THESE, YOU CAN'T JUST PERCENTAGEWISE REDUCE THEM.
YOU'RE, YOU, YOU TAKE OUT COMPONENTS OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
AND THEY SAID AT THE LAST MEETING THAT 20 MILLION IS WHAT THEY NEED FOR THOSE TWO COMPONENTS.
RIGHT? IS ANYBODY SECOND THAT? WAIT FOR IF THAT'S A MOTION.
DOES ANYBODY SECOND IT? SO I'LL SECOND IT.
IS, LET'S SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE NOW.
UM, LET'S ASK FOR A VOTE OF SUPPORT FOR THAT MOTION.
I THINK THE DM SHOULD, NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE IN THIS PROCESS, BUT I'M, I'M JUST NOT WILLING.
I'M GONNA OPINE ON IT RIGHT NOW.
WILLING TO INCREASE IT AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THE COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO, TO DO THAT IF NECESSARY.
UM, JUST 'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE SUCH LIMITED FUNDS TO DEAL WITH.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND IT, I THINK OUTSIDE OF OUR BUCKET OF MONEY.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE SUPPORT THAT? UM, UH, I AM ASSUMING ENRIQUE, YOU SUPPORT IT.
THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU NEED TO SUPPORT IT, BUT DO YOU SUPPORT IT, THE MOTION OR NOT? I DO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UM, THANK ANYBODY ELSE SUPPORT THE MOTION? YES.
UH, WHO ELSE DO WE HAVE? UH, UH, JENNIFER, I, IT, IF WE CAN CLEARLY FOOTNOTE ON THE IT, I DON'T WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT THE IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
JUST, JUST LIKE THE OAK CLIFF LIBRARY, I MEAN, YEAH.
WE, WE WE'RE, WE'RE IN FAILURE SITUATION.
AND THE THING IS, WE CAN GO LOOK AT THE, AT A FIRE STATION AND SEE THAT THAT'S REALLY BAD.
WE CAN'T SEE THE THINGS ON IT.
AND, UH, I COULD SUPPORT THE MOTION IF WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE BOND IS IT IS SO CRITICAL YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE NEXT 12 TO 1418 MONTHS.
BUT LET, LET'S GO BACK TO ENRIQUE'S TAKE ASKING FOR 5 MILLION MORE FOR THE DMA AND HE IS TAKING IT OUT OF IT.
SO LET'S JUST TAKE THAT COMPONENT AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THE WHOLE THING.
UM, JENNIFER, I JUST IT TO 605,000 BEFORE WE FINISH THE VOTE.
LET, LET, LET ME TAKE ONE AT A TIME, BUT SHARE, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I SAW BEN HAD THIS.
BEN, ARE YOU RAISING YOUR HAND? IS THERE A POINT THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AS WE DO THIS VOTE? YES.
UM, UNLIKE THE OTHER BOND CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE, WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO FINISH THESE PROJECTS AT
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THE MYERSON.SO AS YOU CONSIDER THIS MOTION ON THE TABLE, THINK ABOUT THAT WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO THE DA DALLAS SYMPHONY ASSOCIATION TO COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY 2024, BUT 20 WE ARE OBLIGATED TO FINISH THESE PROJECTS TO THE MYERSON CONTRACTUALLY.
SO YOU ENRIQUE YOUR ADDITIONAL 5 MILLION FOR WHERE ARE YOU SAYING TAKE IT FROM? TAKE IT FROM IT.
AND FOR THE MYERSON, UH, IT'S THE FOOTNOTE THAT SAYS THAT THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS AN ADD-ON, UH, TO BE DETERMINED BY, BY THE TASK FORCE AND BY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT CAME IN AT THE 11TH HOUR.
SO JUST TO BE FAIR TO THE PROCESS AND TO BE FAIR TO THE OTHER THESIS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE GIVEN A TARGET AMOUNT AND CUT IT DOWN WORKING WITH THESE PROJECTS, AND THEN AT 11TH HOUR WE, WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND AT THE MYERSON, IT'S NOT TO SAY, I MEAN, I, I THINK EVERYBODY UNEQUIVOCALLY SUPPORTS THE MYERS AND IF I COULD LIVE THERE, I WOULD.
UH, BUT, UM, BUT TO, TO MAKE THIS A MORE CLEAN CUT PROCESS, IT SHOULD BE SENT THROUGH AS AN ADD-ON.
SO, BUT THEN YOU WOULD TAKE THAT, THAT FIVE WOULD COME FROM IT.
IT, AND THEN, WHICH I'M, MY CONCERN IS THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF TRY TO GET THE MYERSON MONEY FROM.
IF, IF WE MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION AND I WANNA LEAVE SOMETHING FROM IT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S FOOTNOTED THAT THIS IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
UM, BUT WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE US IN THE IT LINE ITEM IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE.
WELL, THERE'S 5.6, THERE'S 5.6 IN THE ITEM NOW, SO THAT WOULD TAKE IT DOWN TO JUST 600,000, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY FOR IT.
UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW WE'RE DOING IT.
I THINK WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING.
ALL OF US ARE AGREEING THAT WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING.
WE'RE SAYING, LOOK, YOU GOTTA REALLOCATE AND FIX THIS.
AND, AND I, AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO, BECAUSE OF BENJAMIN'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S CONTRACTUAL AT THIS POINT THAT WE HAVE TO FIX.
EVEN THOUGH EVERY BUILDING THAT WE OWN SHOULD BE CONTRACTUAL THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT IT'S NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE CONTROLLING A BUILDING AND REQUIRING US TO DO IT.
UH, UH, SO, BUT I, I JUST WANNA, AND I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON FOOTNOTING.
I'LL SEND YOU ALL THE FOOTNOTE ON IT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON ADDING, TAKING THAT ANYMORE OF THAT MONEY FROM THE, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AND MOVING UP TO THE DMA.
SO LET ME ASK AGAIN THAT QUESTION SO I CAN SEE WHERE THAT, THOSE VOTES ARE ENRIQUE WAS A YES.
UM, UH, UH, BRUCE WAS A YES AND MADANO WAS A YES.
ANY OTHER YESES? JUST TO CLARIFY, IF WE ADD IN, ARE WE ADDING IN A LINE ITEM FOR MYERSON UNDER THIS PROPOSAL? NOT UNDER THIS PROPOSAL.
THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT THAT'S, THOSE ARE OB POTENTIALLY OBLIGATED FUNDS AS WELL.
AND SO WHEN WE ADD IN 5 MILLION FOR DMA AND THE 4 MILLION, IF WE, IF WE WENT THAT ROUTE, UM, FOR MYERSON, THAT EXCEEDS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CURRENT BREAKDOWN.
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE? IF WE HAD 4 MILLION TO THE 200 MILLION, LET'S, UH, 2% BACK UP.
SO KRISTEN, I THINK YOU RAISED, RAISED A GOOD POINT.
EFFECTIVELY THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR 9 MILLION MORE CUTS SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? THE REST OF THIS.
AND SO IT FEELS LIKE AN OR THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, NOT ENOUGH
TO COVER ALL THAT COVER DMA AND, AND, UM, MEYER AND MYERSON.
YOU'D HAVE TO DO THE OAK CLIFF, UH, THE OAK LAWN FIRE STATION THAT WOULD DO IT.
RIGHT? THE SPREADSHEET'S NOT UP.
ISN'T THAT ABOUT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY? AND WE SPLIT THE BABY IN HALF AND HAVE HALF OF IT GO TO DMA AND THE OTHER HALF BE AN ADD-ON TO BRING US TO SLIGHTLY ABOUT 200 MILLION.
IT WOULD BRING US UP TO 202 MILLION.
WHAT DOES THE DMA GET FROM THE, GOING FROM 15 TO 20? IS IT A CAPITAL COMMITMENT THAT THERE'S LIKE A ROOF OR SOMETHING WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OR IT'S JUST THIS? WELL, THEY WOULD, THEY JUST HAVE A HUGE NEEDS INVENTORY, I THINK SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE IT JUST INCREASE WHAT ELSE IS ON THEIR NEEDS INVENTORY THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED BY THE CITY, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED BY PRIVATE DONORS.
AND, AND THE TIMING IS CRITICAL BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE KEEPING UP DOING THEIR PART.
THE CITY IS KEEPING UP THE FACILITIES THAT DONORS ARE.
WELL, WE, WE COULD TAKE THE, WE COULD SAY THAT THE IT PROPOSAL, I MEAN AN OPTION FOR THE, OR GIVE THE TASK FORCE AN OPTION THEY COULD TAKE, INVESTIGATE MORE.
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COULD DO WITH, IF WE'RE ONLY LEAVING 'EM FIVE AND SAY, WE RECOMMEND IF, IF IT DOESN'T GET ANY MONEY, THAT IT GOES TO CULTURAL ARTS AND OBVIOUS AND THE MYERSON AND MORE MONEY AND RECOMMEND MORE MONEY TO THE DMA.THAT, THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD COMPROMISE.
IT'S, AND WE'RE STILL CHALLENGED BY IT, BUT IT'S KIND OF A CONSENSUS AND THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THINGS AROUND ANYWAY.
I MEAN, WE COULD OPINE, OPINE, OPINE AND THEN THEY COULD DECIDE THAT THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE IT AROUND.
SO, AND, AND I THINK WE, THEY NEED TO, I THINK ONE LOOKING AT THE BUILD, WELL, THE BUILDING, THE IT BUILDING COST.
IF THEY GET IT JANUARY 1ST, WHY, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY SHOULD BE PUSHING.
'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE AN OPERATING COST OF THAT BUILDING.
THEN I'M ASSUMING AT THAT POINT THEY THAT BE ABLE TO START UTILIZING IT.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAN FIND THOSE DOLLARS, BUT I THINK MAYBE THEY CAN START SEARCHING THE CITY.
SO PARKS, MAYBE THIS'LL, MAYBE THIS'LL PUSH IT.
I'M GONNA, WELL, I'LL SEND BACK OUT TO YOU SO YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, I'LL WORK WITH EFRAN THIS AFTERNOON ON, UH, HOW, UH, VERBALIZING THAT WE ARE SUPPORT, THIS IS OUR SUPPORT.
UH, WE DO SUPPORT THE MYERSON.
WE, WE JUST, BECAUSE IT CAME INTO THE END, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO TAKE IT.
WE CONSIDER LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS TO ADDRESS IT IMMEDIATELY AND NOT WITH BOND DOLLARS.
TAKING THOSE DOLLARS, PUTTING BACK AN ARTS AND CULTURE.
AND THE DMA HAS, UH, WE, WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THE DMA HAS MORE NEEDS AND, UH, AFTER THE MYERSON THAT'S CON CONTRACTUAL, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD RECOMMEND ADMA, SO, ALRIGHT, WELL I'LL GET THAT OUT TO YOU AND ASK YOU TO ADVOCATE AND THEN THE TA AND THEN YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR TASK FORCE IF YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE, UH, INDIVIDUALS ON THE TASK FORCE THAT REPRESENT YOUR DISTRICT TOO, THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD AVENUE TO, TO KIND OF GIVE THEM AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM.