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[Landmark Commission Meeting on November 6, 2023.]
OFFIT, DISTRICT SIX.I THINK SOMETHING MIGHT BE WRONG ABOUT THE, I JUST, OKAY.
I NEED TO PLEASE SAY IT ON FOR THE RECORD.
DISTRICT SIX, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON IS NOT IN THE, UH, IS ABSENT TODAY.
DISTRICT EIGHT, COMMISSIONER ACY, DISTRICT NINE.
COMMISSIONER DU IS NOT, UH, IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
DISTRICT 11, COMMISSIONER GIBSON IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER POSI IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
AND CPC? UM, JOANNA HAMPTON IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
UM, LET ME ASK NOW IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS HERE FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE PARTICULAR CASE THEY'VE SIGNED UP FOR, FOR THE MINUTES OR ANYTHING.
USUALLY WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING? AYE.
AND WE CAN GO ON TO OUR SPECIFIC ITEMS. UM, COMMISSIONER PEL, DID YOU HAVE SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE? I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE LIST OF REGISTERED SPEAKERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, HERE, BOTH IN PERSON OR ONLINE.
FELICIA SANTIAGO, ALEJANDRO GUERRERO, PATRICK PARKER, STEVEN UPCHURCH, CAROLYN HOWARD, BETH, JACOB, ALLISON REEVES.
IF YOUR NAME WAS NOT CALLED BUT YOU'RE HERE, PLEASE MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU FILL OUT A FORM AND PROVIDE IT TO ELAINE.
I MOVE THAT WE TAKE THE, UM, FOLLOWING, UH, ITEMS OFF OF THE AGENDA.
CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, DISCUSSION TWO, DISCUSSION ITEM THREE, ENDING WITH THE COURTESY REVIEW BEFORE MOVING ON TO OTHER BUSINESS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ORDERING OUR AGENDA THIS MATTER.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THAT HAS CARRIED.
SO WE BEGIN, CAN WE, UH, CHAIR, MADAM CHAIR? CAN WE JUST REPEAT THE ORDER FOR US THAT WE'LL WRITE? OH, LET US RE OKAY.
IT WAS FIRST WE DO ALL THE CONSENT ITEMS. YEP.
THEN DISCUSSION, 1, 2, 3, COURTESY REVIEW AND OTHER BUSINESS.
AND NO ONE NEEDS TO RECUSE THEMSELVES ON ANY CONSENT ITEM AGENDA.
SO DOES ANYBODY WHO HAD SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM HAVE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU NEED TO PRESENT US WITH? OR IF YOU WERE JUST HERE TO ASK FOR QUESTIONS? WE'RE JUST PREPARING TO VOTE.
MR. ANDERSON, DID YOU WISH TO REMOVE SOMETHING FROM CONSENT? YES.
OKAY, SO COMMISSIONER PEL, WE'LL HAVE TO REORDER AGAIN.
WE WILL HEAR C THREE BEFORE WE HEAR D ONE.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, REVISE THE
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AGENDA FOR CONSENT, ITEMS ONE AND TWO, FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEMS FOUR THROUGH EIGHT.THEN WE'LL DO CONSENT ITEM THREE, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM 1, 2, 3, THE COURTESY REVIEW FOLLOWED BY OTHER BUSINESS.
SO, UM, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR MOTION ON THAT COMMISSIONER, MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT TO ITEMS ONE THROUGH TWO AS WELL AS CONSENT ITEMS FOUR THROUGH EIGHT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG FOR A SECOND.
SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF FOLLOWING STAFF ON RECOMMENDATIONS ON THOSE ITEMS, PLEASE SAY AYE.
IF YOU WERE HERE ON A CONSENT ITEM, IT HAS BEEN, UM, APPROVED IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED WE DO.
SO, UM, THAT SHOULD END YOUR WORRIES FOR TODAY,
AND NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO CONSENT.
STAFF WOULD PLEASE READ THAT? YES.
UM, CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
ADDRESS IS 57 17 TREMONT STREET CA 2 3 4 0 5 8 CMM FOR THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO POUR A BROOM FINISHED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A BROOM FINISHED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST SIDE OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 11 6 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.2 PERTAINING TO DRIVEWAYS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO POUR A BROOM FINISHED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
EXISTING CONDITIONS OF CIRCULAR DRIVE, TOO MUCH CONCRETE AND CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY NOT APPROPRIATE.
CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE REVIEWED.
AND THREE, TOO MUCH CONCRETE AND FRONT YARD CREATES AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE IS A NOTE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REVISIONS POST TASK FORCE MEETING THAT ADDRESS ALL THE CONCERNS OF TASK FORCE.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO READ TASK FORCE, WAS IT? WELL, WE HADN'T ASSIGNED ANYBODY THAT JOB.
SO, WHO, WHICH COMMISSIONER SHALL VOLUNTEER TO READ TASK FORCE AND YOU JUST ONE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO READ.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A VOLUNTEER YET.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WOULDN'T YOU ENJOY READING? UM, TASK FORCE.
OH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN AND READ TASK FORCES TODAY? SURE.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE TO EMPLOY BROOM FINISHED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
EXISTING CONDITIONS OF CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY, TWO, TOO MUCH CONCRETE AND CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY NOT APPROPRIATE.
CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE REVIEWED.
AND THREE, TOO MUCH CONCRETE IN FRONT YARD CREATES AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PER SECTION 3.3.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE WE HEARD IN OUR BRIEFING THAT THE, UM, THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY, WHATEVER ANYONE THINKS OF IT, IS PREEXISTING BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FOR GRANDFATHER.
UM, SO WHO HAS FURTHER QUESTIONS? THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT I
WELL THEN PERHAPS THE APPLICANT SHOULD STEP FORWARD AND GIVE US THE NAME AND ADDRESS.
UM, WOULD YOU BEGIN BY TELLING US YOUR
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NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS? MY NAME'S PAUL GAMBINI.ADDRESS IS 5 1 1 7 3 MONTH STREET.
AND I NEED TO ASK YOU TO, UM, TO SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'LL TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY.
UH, I, I LIKE, I NEED YOU TO PROMISE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY.
WHO HAS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT THEIR REQUEST? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THE REASON THAT YOU NEED TWO DRIVEWAYS? BECAUSE IF FOR CARS, ALL MY NEIGHBORS AND ALL THE STREET HAVE DRIVEWAY, CONCRETE, DRIVEWAY ONLY, ONLY MY HOUSE IS ONLY EMPTY IS WHY.
BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE ONE DRIVEWAY.
BUT THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY, NO, IT IS THE PREVIEW.
BUT FOR THE CARS IT ASK FOR THE CARS.
THE, THE CIRCLE IS ONLY FOR WALK THE NEW ONE.
SO YOU DON'T PUT CARS IN THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY? NO.
THEN WHY IS IT THERE WAS LIKE THAT I BOUGHT LIKE HOUSE LIKE THAT.
HE BOUGHT IT, IT WAS FREE BEFORE HIM.
WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO REMOVING THE FIRST DRIVEWAY TO PUT IN THE SECOND DRIVEWAY? BECAUSE I WANT SOME PRIVACY FOR THE, THE OWNERS, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALL MY NEIGHBOR HAS THE DRIVEWAY, LIKE NEIGHBORS.
BUT HE JUST, UH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY THAT HE'S PROPOSING WAS THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY PRIOR TO THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY.
RIGHT? IT WAS PUT IN PRIOR TO HIM BUYING THE HOME.
SO HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE AND PARK, YOU KNOW, CLOSER UP BY THE HOUSE VERSUS JUST ON THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY.
UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE HIM AND BEFORE THE ORDINANCE.
AND AS FAR AS THE CONCERNS OF THE TASK FORCE, WHETHER THERE'S TOO MUCH CONCRETE THAT IS OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION, WE, WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT.
WELL, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE TASK FORCE THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH CONCRETE.
HE'S GOT A CIRCULAR DRIVE WHETHER HE USES IT OR NOT.
SO IF HE CHOOSES NOT TO HAVE THE CIRCULAR DRIVE, I WOULD SUGGEST SHE REMOVE THE CIRCULAR DRIVE AND PUT IN THE DRIVEWAY AS ORIGINAL.
BUT THAT'S JUST YOUR PREFERENCE.
WE CANNOT SPEAK TO THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE IN THE FRONT YARD.
THAT'S, YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO REQUEST THE REMOVAL OF A GRANDFATHERED EXISTING THING.
EVEN IF WE THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF IT WERE REMOVED.
WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION OR INSIST SOMEONE DOES IT.
BUT DON'T WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY A SECOND DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH CONCRETE IN THE FRONT YARD? NO, NOT FOR OUR ORDINANCE.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE, I I THINK THAT, I THINK THE DESIGN IS WRONG.
THERE'S, THERE'S TWO DRIVEWAYS.
UH, PER THE ORDINANCE, IT IS APPROVABLE.
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE APPROVAL.
I MEAN, I CAN'T DENY SOMETHING THAT'S CLEARLY ALL RIGHT.
UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS EXPRESSED ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION, WHICH IS THE REMOVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY, BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN FORCE IF IS THE APPLICANT INTERESTED IN REMOVING THAT DRIVEWAY? HE DOES NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
SO THAT IS AN IDEA, BUT IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY OTHER, UM, THOUGHTS ON HOW TO RECTIFY THIS SITUATION? CAN I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING? I, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE OTHER DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO GO AWAY, IT'S JUST THE SECOND DRIVEWAY SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED.
WE CAN'T MOVE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
SO WE HAVE, SO OUR, OUR DECISION IS SHOULD THE, THE PROPOSED NEW DRIVEWAY BE ALLOWED? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT TO CLARIFY THIS ISSUE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING BOTH THE DRAWINGS AND FINISH, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE APPLICANT IS DOING AND ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO DO IS PUT BACK WHAT SHOULD HAVE AND WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE THUS RESTORING AT LEAST A PORTION OF, UM, THE HISTORICAL NATURE AND DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY.
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IF NOT, DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION THEY CAN MAKE COMMISSIONER PEL? OH, COMMISSIONER
WHO WENT FIRST? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
I I COULDN'T LOOK BOTH DIRECTIONS, BUT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
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WOULD YOU BOTH CONCUR THAT THE ORDINANCE DIS ALLOWSS MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS OR THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS? IT'S SILENT ON MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS.IT'S SAYS NEW DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALK STEPS AND WALKWAYS MUST BE CONSTRUCTED OF BRICK BRUSH FINISH, CONCRETE STONE OR OTHER APPROPRIATE MATERIAL, ARTIFICIAL GRASS, ARTIFICIALLY COLORED CONCRETE, ASPHALT EXPOSED AGGREGATE AND UH, OUTDOOR CARPET ARE NOT PERMITTED.
REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WALKWAYS AND STEPS MUST BE CON UH, CONSISTENT WITH ORIGINAL STYLE.
IT SAYS NO NEW CIRCULAR DRIVEWAYS OR PARKING AREA ARE ALLOWED IN FRONT YARDS.
SO I GUESS THIS IS JUST A GAP, CORRECT? AND NOBODY FORESAW THIS GAP AND SO IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT ADDRESSED.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
KCA 2 34 DASH 0 5 8 CMM 57 7 57 17.
TREMONT, I MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, WORK IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE FINDING OF FACT THE PROPERTY SHOULD NOT HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS.
WHO WAS THAT? WHO DID THE SECOND? WAS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER BELVIN? YES.
WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE ELAINE KNOWS SO SHE CAN GET OUR NAMES DOWN IN THE MINUTES.
WE KIND OF START TO SOUND THE SAME SOMETIMES.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS MOTION? I'D HAVE YOU ASK COMMISSIONER T UM, I'M GONNA VOTE AGAINST THAT MOTION.
I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO IMPOSE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THERE.
UH, THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT TWO DRIVEWAYS, IT'S NOT COVERED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
AND TO SIMPLY PULL THAT OUT OF THIN AIR AND ATTEMPT TO APPLY IT TO, UM, SOMETHING IS I THINK WRONG.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEONE WHO IS ATTEMPTING TO PUT BACK IN AND CORRECT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED PREVIOUS TO THERE.
UM, THE FACT THAT HE HAS A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY THAT SOMEBODY ELSE PUT IN DOES NOT NEGATE THE FACT THAT HE'S ATTEMPTING TO RESTORE WHAT WAS THERE.
SO I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THAT MOTION.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THEN I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT APPEARS THAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND COMMISSIONER VELT ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS SPEAK UP IF I MISSED YOU.
UH, AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY NAY.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION HAS NOT CARRIED.
COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NEW MOTION IN REGARDS TO CONSENT ITEM 3 5 7 1 7 TREMONT STREET CA 2 3 4 0 5 8 CN.
I MOVE TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I MUST SAY THAT, UH, MR. ROTHENBERG, HE JUST SITS THERE NEXT DOOR SECONDS.
EVERYTHING I, I MUST SAY THAT I, I I, I CAN SEE WHY WE NOT MIGHT DISAPPROVE OF THE, UM, CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY, BUT IT IS PREEXISTING AND WE SEEM TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT SEEM TO CONDEMN THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER DRIVEWAY THAT IS IN THE ORIGINAL SPOT.
SO IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD TO NOT SUPPORT THIS, THIS MOTION, EVEN IF IT'S NOT CHA KNOW EXACTLY COMING OUT THE WAY I MIGHT LIKE IT TO.
UM, MR. HEINI, I WISH THERE WERE SOMETHING MORE IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT WOULD DISALLOW A SECOND DRIVEWAY WITHOUT REMOVING THAT FIRST ONE.
THAT SHOULDN'T REALLY BE THERE IN TERMS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
'CAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE ELEMENTS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME THEY CAN COME OUT AND IT CAN RESTORE MORE RHYTHM TO THE BLOCK FACE, WHICH ENHANCES THE WHOLE DISTRICT.
AND I CAN SEE WHY WE CAN'T REQUIRE YOU TO DO THAT.
HOWEVER, IF THERE WERE SOMETHING IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT DISALLOWED TWO DRIVEWAYS, I WOULD'VE SUPPORTED THE FIRST MOTION.
AND IN THIS CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOU TO THINK VERY SERIOUSLY DOWN THE ROAD ABOUT REMOVING THAT CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY BECAUSE IT IS NOT TYPICAL OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE OF
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THAT DISTRICT, AND IT WOULD ENHANCE THE DISTRICT.AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDER IT, AND THAT'S THE MOST WE CAN DO, IN MY OPINION.
LET ME CALL FOR VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? NAYYY? DID I HAVE TWO NAYS? OKAY.
2, 2, 2 ARE OPPOSED, BUT IT STILL CARRIES BY MAJORITY.
SO SIR, YOU HAVE APPROVAL OF YOUR DRIVEWAY.
ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT, UM, THE NEXT ONE UP IS GOING TO BE D ONE.
THAT'S THE MAGNOLIA BUILDING ON COMMERCE STREET.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1401 COMMERCE STREET.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 5 0 5 3 RD.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE TO INSTALL MAIN ENTRANCE CANOPY ON SOUTH COMMERCE STREET ELEVATION.
THE SECOND REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT THREE STORY ADDITION ON THE EAST LOT ADJACENT TO EXISTING EAST ANNEX STAFF.
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL MAIN ENTRANCE CANOPY ON SOUTH COMMERCE STREET ELEVATION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 18 20 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT REVISED PLANS, ELEVATIONS, AND SECTIONS OF THE ENTRY MUST BE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE FOR REVIEW AND RE AND APPROVED BY NPS PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF WORK IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
THE SECOND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT THREE STORY ADDITION ON THE EAST LOT ADJACENT TO EXISTING EAST ANNEX BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 18 20 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT AN AMENDMENT ADVISORY DETERMINATION FORM TO BOTH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE DETAILING THE REVISED PLANS TO THE ADDITION PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF WORK IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION SIX, SUBDIVISION G PERTAINING TO BUILDABLE VOLUME.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE, MR. PAL TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL MAIN ENTRANCE CANOPY ON SOUTH COMMERCE STREET ELEVATION TO BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT THREE STORY EDITION ON THE ELO ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING EAST ANNEX BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS AND I GENERALLY TAKE THEM IN ORDER THOUGH I REALIZE THAT MANY OF YOU MAY BE PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATES AND KIND OF KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO GO, BUT THE FIRST PERSON THAT I WOULD CALL ON WOULD BE FELICIA SANTIAGO.
AND AGAIN, EACH AND EVERY PERSON HAS TO GIVE ME THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
IN FACT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE BETH FIRST TO SPEAK, IF THAT'S ALL.
IS THAT BETH JACOB? YES, IT IS.
SO THAT'S WHO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? THAT'S FINE.
OKAY, MA'AM, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? UH, BETH JACOB, 1207 COLISEUM STREET, NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA.
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PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH HERE IN DALLASUH, YOU HADN'T HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, TO WHATEVER PRESENTATION OR INFORMATION YOU SHARE AND ELAINE TIMES YOU, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.
UM, I'M A HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONSULTANT WITH BRIAN, EXCUSE ME, LLC.
AND WE ARE THE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT ADVISOR FOR THE PROJECT.
I'VE TAUGHT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND HAVE SERVED ON AND WORKED WITH, UH, SIMILAR HISTORIC COMMISSIONS.
SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH YOUR CONCERNS AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
UH, I'LL START WITH THE ADDITION.
UM, IT WAS DESIGNED TO MEET THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, PARTICULARLY STANDARDS NINE AND 10.
UH, AND AS I'M SURE YOU ALREADY KNOW, MEETING SOI STANDARDS IS A REQUIREMENT FOR BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL TAX CREDITS.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC COMMENTS, UM, RELATIVE TO HOW THE PROJECT MEETS THE STANDARDS.
UH, FIRST THE ADDITION IS DESIGNED TO BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE HISTORIC MAGNOLIA BUILDING.
NPS DISCOURAGES NEW ADDITIONS THAT MATCH A HISTORIC BUILDING TOO CLOSELY BECAUSE THAT CAN CONVEY A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY.
UM, EACH PART OF A BUILDING SHOULD REPRESENT ITS TIME AND PLACE AND TELL THE STORY OF HOW A BUILDING HAS EVOLVED.
UM, THE ADDITION READS CLEARLY AS A NEW ADDITION TO AN OLDER HISTORIC BUILDING.
SECOND, THE ADDITION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC MAGNOLIA BUILDING.
UH, I KNOW THAT WHEN DEALING WITH CONTEMPORARY DESIGN COMPATIBILITY, UM, CAN BE TOUGH TO MEASURE, BUT IT CAN BE ACHIEVED THROUGH MASSING PROPORTION MATERIALS AND THE ALIGNMENT OF KEY FEATURES.
I WOULD SAY THIS, UH, ADDITION IS COMPATIBLE IN TERMS OF ITS SCALE AND MASSING BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY SUBORDINATE TO THE MAIN BUILDING, TO THE PRIMARY BUILDING, UH, PROPORTIONS AND ALIGNMENT OF HORIZONTAL MAJOR HORIZONTAL FEATURES.
UH, NOTE THE BANDS ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR ALIGNMENT OF THE PARAPET AND EVEN THE ALIGNMENT, UH, IN THE COURSING OF LIMESTONE PANELS.
UH, DETAILING CONTEMPORARY DETAILS, UH, DON'T COMPETE WITH THE ORNATE TRADITIONAL DETAILS OF THE, OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING AND MATERIALS.
IT HAS A NEUTRAL PALETTE THAT COMPLIMENTS THE MAIN BUILDING.
UH, THIRD POINT, THE ADDITION IS REVERSIBLE.
IT TOUCHES THE HISTORIC BUILDING ON AN ELEVATION THAT WAS ALREADY MODIFIED FOR THE PORT COSHER.
THE ADDITION COULD EASILY, UH, EXCUSE ME, BE REMOVED TO THE FUTURE DATE WITHOUT ANY IMPACT TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
UH, NOW REGARDING THE CANOPY, UM, AS YOU KNOW, N-P-N-P-S REQUIRED A REDUCTION IN SIZE AND THE NEW SMALLER DESIGN, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN A MOMENT, UH, ALLOWS GREATER VISIBILITY WHEN LOOKING UP AT THE BUILDING.
THE GLASS ALLOWS TRANSPARENCY, IT'S SIMPLE AND ELEGANT AND ACHIEVES THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING A PROTECTED HOTEL ENTRANCE.
UH, THE TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE DALLAS LANDMARKS COMMISSION.
UM, WE HOPE TO RECEIVE AN APPROVAL TODAY SO THAT THE PROJECT CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
STAY AWAY, STAY AROUND IN CASE WE HAVE A QUESTION.
NOW IS IT TIME FOR FELICIA OR YOU, SIR? COME ON UP.
AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, WE WOULD CERTAINLY EXPECT IT OF YOU.
WHO, WHO IS NEXT FROM YOUR GROUP? OR FELICIA? NOW IT'S FELICIA'S TURN.
I WONDER IF YOU WERE GONNA LET HER TALK OR NOT.
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THE MICROPHONE.SO EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE SURE THEY'RE SPEAKING INTO THE MICROPHONE.
AND YOUR ADDRESS? IT IS 1 0 8 3 3 SCOTT SPRING LANE HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? I SURE DO.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO INVITE, UH, MY OTHER TEAMMATES UP HERE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PRESENT, UH, IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR FLOW GOING.
OH, SO I'M BRINGING UP PATRICK AND ALEJANDRO.
AND EACH OF THEM HAS TO DO THE WHOLE ROUTINE.
I'M A RESIDENT OF DALLAS, UH, DESIGN DIRECTOR WITH CANCER AND DESIGN DIRECTOR OF THE PROJECT IN, IN REVIEW.
AND YOU'RE TRUTHFUL? YES, MA'AM.
HI, PATRICK PARKER, 87 14 SANTA CLARA, HERE IN DALLAS, UH, PROJECT ARCHITECT AND I AM TRUTHFUL.
OKAY,
YOU CAN LIE AFTER THAT TO OTHER PEOPLE.
SO, UM, TECHNICALLY YOU EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES, BUT OF COURSE IF, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN'T GET DONE WITH WHAT YOU NEED TO PRESENT, IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE FOR US TO GRANT MORE TIME.
SO LET'S JUST START THREE MINUTES AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
UM, SO AS, UH, YOU HAVE HEARD FROM OTHERS AND STEVEN, UH, JUST AHEAD OF US, UH, WE HAVE LISTENED TO YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE, THE PREVIOUS TWO ITEMS THAT WERE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY.
THAT IS THE CANOPY AS WELL AS THE BUILDING ADDITION.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST VERY BRIEFLY RE REFRESH WHAT WAS SAID LAST TIME SO THAT WE CAN, UH, CONTINUE TO SHOW YOU WHAT OUR UPDATES ARE AND THAT WILL HELP PUT EVERYBODY INTO THE SAME PAGE.
UH, SO PREVIOUSLY THE CANOPY WAS, UH, DENIED HERE WITH THE LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AND THE DISCUSSION REFLECTED, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY AND THE DISTRICT.
AND THOSE REASONS WERE LISTED OUT FOR ALFRED BOSS'S WORK OF, UH, OTHER ENTRANCES OF, OF HIS BUILDINGS.
UM, WE DID LOOK UP OTHER EXAMPLES, SO WE HAVE THAT TO SHARE WITH YOU AS WELL, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
UH, THE OTHER COMMENT ON THE CANOPY WAS ABOUT OTHER LANDMARKED DESIGNATED BUILDINGS AND THEIR CANOPIES, WHAT IS HERE LOCALLY WITHIN THE, THE AREA OF THE MAGNOLIA BUILDING.
WE ALSO HAVE THAT TO SHARE WITH YOU AS WELL, IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, OTHERWISE WE WILL JUST STICK TO THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO PULL UP THOSE EXAMPLES.
AND THE LAST ITEM, WHICH I IMAGINE WILL TAKE UP MOST OF OUR TIME HERE IS THE BUILDING EDITION.
UH, SO YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM OTHERS.
THE BUILDING EDITION HAS, UM, ALSO A PART OF OUR PACKAGE THAT'S GOING TOWARDS TAX CREDITS AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE HAVE CONTINUED TO UPDATE OUR DESIGN, STUDY IT, AND, UM, ADDRESS EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AS WE'RE BALANCING THC, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND HERE LANDMARK.
SO THOSE COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY, UM, SPOKE TO THE ADVERSE EFFECT OF THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY.
UM, ALSO IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE ADDITION IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY DUE TO INCOMPATIBLE DESIGN.
AND A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSION WILL, WILL FOCUS ON THAT AND BETTER CLARIFY, UH, WHAT A DISTRACTION IS, VER VERSUS ORNAMENTATION AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER, UH, TO MY COLLEAGUES HERE.
JUST MAKING SURE THIS ONE WORKS.
SO, UM, LOT, MOST OF THE DECK THAT WE'RE GONNA RUN OVER TODAY IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE AND WHAT I BELIEVE, UH, THIS PANEL HAS, UH, SEEN OVER THE PAST.
CAN THE PEOPLE AT HOME HEAR THIS NEXT SPEAKER? I WANNA MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S WORKING.
JUST IF YOU CAN'T HEAR SOMETHING, YOU'LL HAVE TO HOLLER OUT TO US BECAUSE WE, WE CAN HEAR THEM WITHOUT THE MICROPHONE
OKAY, WE WANNA CHEW ON IT NOW.
SO, UH, WE HAD THE DECK THAT WE LOOKED AT PREVIOUSLY, WHICH MUCH OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, JUST ILLUSTRATING SOME OF THE DUE DILIGENCE WE'VE DONE ON THIS PROPERTY.
AGAIN, UH, A MAGNOLIA BUILDINGS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO ME OF OUR HEART'S, BEEN PART OF, UH, UH, A SIGNIFICANT DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, WITH A OFFICE WAS ONCE, UH, A BAKER HOTEL, THE ORIENTAL HOTEL, AND ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE CLOSE BY.
DONE LOTS OF RESEARCH ON TERRA AT BOSTON.
UM, HE HAS A FEW PROJECTS THAT ARE HERE IN TOWN, OBVIOUSLY MAPLE TERRACE, THAT'S UNDERGOING CONSTRUC, UH, RENOVATION, THE HILTON TUNNEL, WHICH IS NOW THE INDIGO AND A FEW OTHERS.
UM, WE'VE FOUND SOME DRAWINGS, UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF NEAT TOO, UH, FOR THE BASEMENT ACTIVATION.
THE CONTRACTORS STOLE AROUND TODAY.
SO THEY WERE ABLE TO SHARE SOME OF THESE PHOTOS.
BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE DUG UP IN THE PAST, WHICH HAS HELPED INFLUENCE, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY IN THE PRESENT.
UM, THESE ONES SHOW AGAIN, THE MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED AT THE MAGNOLIA OVER THE
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PAST FEW YEARS.WE KNOW ABOUT THE MINI WING THAT WAS ADDED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, TO ADD AIR CONDITIONING.
AND OF COURSE WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE GRANITE FACADE THAT WAS ADDED IN THE, UH, 15TH, WHICH, UH, FORTUNATELY WAS TAKEN OFF, UH, IN THE EIGHTIES.
SO WE GOT PRETTY CLOSE BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED TODAY.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SUGGEST IS THE MODIFICATIONS, IF WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT IMAGE, WAS, UH, WHERE THE MOTOR COURT IS TODAY.
AND JUST PULLING OFF THAT NON HISTORIC FACADE FOR OUR BUILDING ADDITION WE'LL TALK TO HERE IN MOMENTARILY MATERIAL.
SO FIRST WE'RE GONNA LEAD INTO THE CANOPY DESIGN, UH, ONE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE, UH, SUGGESTING TODAY.
UH, WE'VE PULLED SOME, UH, IMAGES FOR SOME PRECEDENTS, BOTH, UH, KLINE HERE, WHICH WE SEE ON THE PAGE FOR MANY, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS OF THESE INTERVENTIONS, WHICH, UH, ADDED TO THE BUILDING TASTEFULLY.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, OTHER ADDITIONS TOO THAT MORE RECTAL LINEAR, UH, SOME OF THESE WE'LL SEE THAT ARE, UH, MORE INVASIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE, UH, DESCRIBING TODAY.
WE SEE HOW THEY'RE, UH, CONNECTED THROUGH THE HISTORIC FACADE, SOME OF THE STONES AND THIS LIMESTONE.
AND THEN WE SEE EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE HAVE AROUND TOWN TODAY.
UH, JUST NEXT TO US IN THE MIDDLE IMAGE IS ADOLPHUS, UH, THAT CANOPY THERE.
AND OF COURSE, THE IMAGE TO THE RIGHT IS HOTEL INDIGO, WHICH IS ANOTHER OUTFIT BLOSSOM PROJECT THAT PROJECTS QUITE A BIT OUT AS WELL.
AN IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS A, A MORE CONTEMPORARY, UH, ADDITION, AND THE, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ELEVATED IN THEIR BALLROOM WITH THE METAL CANOPY AS WELL.
SO WE'RE USING THOSE TO, UH, AS PRECEDENT, NOT NECESSARILY IMAGES HERE IN DOWNTOWN, BUT THE ONES WE SHOWN BEFORE AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO INFORM WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THIS PROJECT.
SO I'M SHOWING EXISTING CONDITIONS AND WHAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME, THE CONCERNS, AS WE ALREADY ADDRESSED BEFORE, WAS THAT IT WAS TOO BIG AND IT, UH, INTERFERED WITH SOME OF THE, UH, CURRENT ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.
SO I'LL MOVE ON TO A CURRENT EXHIBIT, AND I'LL TRADE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MYSELF AND ALEJANDRO.
YOU WANNA START SPEAKING AS WELL.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR REVISED, UH, PROPOSALS WHERE WE, WE TOOK, UH, THE COMMENTARY, UH, FROM OUR PREVIOUS REVIEW IN, IN TRYING TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE CANOPY, UH, BASED ON THE PRECEDENCE THAT THAT, THAT WE WERE STUDYING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS IN FACT, UH, ENOUGH PRECEDENT, UH, AND ENOUGH REFERENCES OF HYPERLINEAR AND PERHAPS MORE ORGANIC NATURE, UH, MORE EXPRESSIVE, UH, SOLUTIONS FOR, FOR THE FRONT ENTRANCE FOR, FOR THE CANOPY PIECE.
IN, IN SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, EVEN IN FACT, EVEN, UH, IN, UM, IN, IN BUILDINGS FROM, FROM THE SAME AREA, FROM FROM THE 1920S AND FROM THE SAME STYLE, WE, WE, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, A CANOPY THAT'S STILL FANS OUT, UH, FROM THE BUILDING ENTRANCE, CELEBRATING THE ENTRANCE, UH, EMPHASIZING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ENTER, ENTER THE BUILDING, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ALSO CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY STEP AND, AND, AND CREATE A, A SMALL MOMENT OF SHELTER FROM, UH, THE HARSH, HARSH, UM, UH, DALLAS CLIMATE.
UH, SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, IN DOING SO, WE'RE ALSO VERY CAREFULLY DETAILING THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE INTERFERE WITH THE BUILDING MINIMALLY, UH, MINIMALLY, UH, WE, WE REMOVE THE TIE BATS THAT WERE AFFECTING THE STONE WORK, THE ORIGINAL STONE.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT WE'RE BASICALLY TAKING THE EXISTING FRAME, THAT EXISTING OPENING OF THE BUILDING REPLACING IT, THOSE DOORS NEED TO BE REPLACED AND, AND THE TRANSOM AROUND PANELS AROUND NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO WE'RE REPLACING ALL THAT FRAME, UH, AND USING IT TO DO, UH, PLACE BOTH OUR NEW ENTRANCE, OUR NEW DOORS, BUT ALSO THIS CANOPY THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, WORKING IN, IN AS, AS A, AS A SINGLE, UH, COMPOSITION.
AND, AND WE BELIEVE IN, IN ACCORDANCE AND, AND IN, IN A, UH, IN A, IN A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING.
AND THEREFORE, ONE OF, ONE OF THE EXHIBITS THAT WE PREPARED HERE WAS ALSO THIS ONE OF, UH, SOMEBODY, THE, THE, THE, THE VIEW OF SOMEBODY STANDING UNDERNEATH THIS CANOPY LOOKING UP TOWARDS THE BUILDING AND, AND JUST TRYING TO EMPHASIZE HERE THAT THIS IDEA OF MINIMAL INTERVENTION, BUT ALSO, UH, MAINTAINING A TRANSPARENCY AND A LIGHTNESS TO THAT FACADE THAT ALLOWS US TO STILL PERCEIVE THE BUILDING IN ITS GRANDEUR.
I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO, UM, WE'RE GONNA TOUCH ON THE, ON THE SECOND TOPIC, AND, AND I'LL MAKE, UH, SOME REMARKS HERE THAT, THAT I PREPARED.
AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE IMAGES, UH, THE, OUR TEAM SEES, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO WORK ON THE MAGNOLIA BUILDING AND, AND, AND EXTENDING ITS LIFE AS A CELEBRATION, UH, AND, AND AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE INCREASING THE DENSITY AND THE LIVELINESS, UH, THAT PROJECTS SUCH AS THE ADOLFO HOTEL, THE JEWEL HOTEL, UH, IN ENCLOSED VICINITY, BUT ALSO THE, THE AT AND T DISCOVERY
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DISTRICT, UH, WHICH BY THE WAY, UH, OUR FIRM, UH, PROBABLY ALFRED, UH, THIS IS A CENTRAL PIECE, UH, TO OUR INTERVENTION.EXCUSE ME, SIR, I IS YOUR TIME.
I, I, I, I, I MOVE THAT WE GIVE THE APPLICANT AND THEIR GROUP, NOT ANY PARTICULAR PERSON, BUT INDIVIDUAL WHO'S RELATED TO THIS PROJECT, A TOTAL OF FIVE MINUTES, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT RUNNING THROUGH THIS.
SO AS FAST AS THEY ARE, TOTAL.
THE, THE CENTERPIECE OF OUR INTERVENTION IS A HOTEL EXPANSION THAT, THAT WE, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN, IN THE DIAGRAM.
UM, UH, THIS, THIS EXPANSION REALLY BRINGS THE SPACES AND FUNCTIONS OF A CONTEMPORARY HOTEL OPERATION TO THE HISTORIC MAGNOLIA BUILDING, UH, SERVICE AND DELIVERY AREA AT THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, ARE COVERED BY BY A BEAUTIFUL, AND, AND WERE MAY, MAYBE WE SKIP TO THE RENDERING.
UH, THE SERVICE AND DELIVERY AREA ON THE GROUND FLOOR ARE COVERED BY A, A BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED STONE AND METAL FACADE THAT COMBINE ELEMENTS, UH, OF BOTH THE 1920S ORIGINALLY DESIGN AND THE HOTEL BRAND.
UH, ABOVE THIS, A TWO STORY VOLUME CONTAINS, CONTAINS A STATE-OF-THE-ART BALLROOM THAT PRESENTS ITSELF TO THE CITY AS A LARGE FORMAT WINDOW INTO THE BUILDING.
UH, AND OTHERWISE OPAQUE BUILDING, OR MOSTLY OPAQUE BUILDING NOW EXPOSES ITS MAIN EVENT SPACE AS A DISPLAY BOX TO CONNECT VISUALLY TO THE PASSERBY, WHILE OFFERING ITS USERS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO HOST AN ARRAY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF GATHERINGS AND CELEBRATIONS.
I SPACED THAT THROUGH ITS SPECIAL DESIGN AND POSITION WITHIN, WITHIN THE CITY, WE, WE BELIEVE WE'LL BRING A LOT OF ENERGY AND VISITORS TO THE CITY.
UH, OUR INTERVENTION IS CONTEMPORARY NATURE, AND MOREOVER, HE TRIES TO ESTABLISH A POINT IN TIME WITH WITHOUT A SIGN THAT BELONGS TO THE 21ST CENTURY.
UH, CLEAN LINES, TRANSPARENCY AND A RESPECTFUL INTERACTION WITH THE ORIGINAL 1920S BUILDING.
THE EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING WE'RE PROPOSING ALSO ACTS IN CONTRAST TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND INTENT, AND AN INTENTIONAL APPROACH AS AN INTENTIONAL APPROACH TO ASSURE THE CLEAR DEFINITION BETWEEN HISTORIC AND ALSO A SOLUTION THAT THAT IS OFTEN FOLLOWING INTERVENING HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
UH, AND, AND WE PREPARE SOME EXHIBITS HERE TOO, SO MAYBE WE CAN GO BACK TO THOSE.
AND JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF, UH, WHEN OLD MEETS NEW, UH, HOW THERE'S, UH, ISSUE, UH, OFTEN, UH, UH, UH, USED AS A RESOURCE, UH, A CLEAN, UH, A CLEAN, UM, CONTRAST BETWEEN WHAT'S THERE, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND WHAT IT'S BEING ADDED.
UH, AND, AND WE, WE SEE THIS, UH, EXAMPLE OR, OR, OR OR ANOTHER ONE OF THESE EXAMPLES IN THE YU HOTEL.
AND ONE, AGAIN, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE TO A SUCCESSFUL INCORPORATION OF CONTEMPORARY DESIGN FEATURES AND INTERPRETATIONS.
UH, AND, AND FOR INSTANCE, SOME, SOME ELEMENTS THAT MAY GO BEYOND THE, THE, THE, UM, THE AESTHETICS THAT, UH, THAT BELONG TO A HISTORIC BUILDING.
FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE MAIN FEATURES AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I, THAT I, UH, FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT PROJECT IN OUR CITIES, THAT CANTILEVER, UH, UH, INFINITY POOL THAT, THAT THEY HAVE ON THE, ON THE TOP FLOOR.
AND ALTHOUGH THAT MAY SEEM AS AN INPRO INAPPROPRIATE OR INADEQUATE ADDITION TO A HISTORIC BUILDING, IT REALLY BRINGS A LOT OF ENERGY, UH, UH, AND PUTS, PUTS A, A, A NOT NECESSARILY PICTURE HERE, BUT PUT PUT PUTS, UH, HAS I, I REMEMBER HE PUT, UH, THE JEWEL ON THE MAP OF WITH, UH, OF, UH, AS A TRAVEL DESTINATION FOR THE CITY.
UH, SIMILARLY, AS WE HAVE CONCEIVED OUR DESIGN, WE HAVE LOOKED, UH, LOOKED TO HELP OUR CLIENT AND THE CITY OF DALLAS CONTINUE THEIR EFFORT IN PRESERVING THE HISTORIC LEGACY OF OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, WHILE ADDING A SPECIAL PLACE THAT CONTINUES TO PUT OUR SEAT IN THE MAP AS A WORLDCLASS CITY AND A DESTINATION.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUR INTERVENTION TO BE ONE THAT WHILE BELONGING TO THIS DAY AND AGE, PAYS HOME AGED AND CELEBRATES THE LEGACY OF THE MAGNOLIA BUILDING.
UH, SO THAT ALSO WHEN IN 2050 OR EVEN A HUNDRED YEARS, IT MAY BE, IF, IF IT'S TIME FOR A NEW INTERVENTION, THAT THIS, THIS EXPANSION WILL BE SO INGRAINED TO OUR CITY'S LEGACY THAT PERHAPS IT IT'LL BE WORTH OF, OF PRESERVING AS WELL.
ARE WE MOVING ON TO A, IS THAT IT FOR WHAT YOU THREE ARE PRESENTING TO START WITH? YES, IT IS.
WE'RE WE'RE OPEN TO QUESTIONS IF YOU, OKAY.
WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYBODY TALK FIRST AND THEN WE DO QUESTIONS.
SO WE HAVE, UH, CAROLYN HOWARD.
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NO THANK YOU.WE NEED YOU TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
CAROLYN HOWARD, UH, 29 22 SWISS AVENUE.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PRESERVATION DALLAS.
AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH MORE THAN THE TRUTH.
I HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AS WELL AS THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
20 YEARS AGO, THE HOTEL BEAUMONT SWAN SONG COMING DOWN BAD, WE FOUND A DEVELOPER.
WE WERE ABOUT TO START CONSTRUCTION AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE SAID NO.
I GRABBED MY SUIT, WENT TO THE CAR, DROVE TO THE AIRLINES, FLEW TO DC AND MET WITH SHARON PARKS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
SOMEONE IN THE GROUP FINALLY SAID TO MS. PARKS, YOU KNOW, SOUTHEAST TEXAS HAS A WHOLE LOT OF HURRICANES.
SO THE REASON THE ANNEX SIMILAR TO THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED, THE WAY IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, WAS TO HOLD OFF A HORRIBLE HURRICANE SEASON EVERY YEAR.
WHAT IS THE MORAL TO THE STORY IS THAT NP S'S PERSPECTIVE IS HUGE.
THE DESERT TERRAIN OF NEW MEXICO, THE VERY MUCH URBAN ENVIRONMENT OF NEW YORK CITY, THE FREEZE IN ALASKA, THEIR PERSPECTIVE IS HUGE.
IF I WERE YOU, IF I WERE A LANDMARK COMMISSIONER, I WOULD WANT A DEVELOPER GO TO THE PARK SERVICE FIRST, GO TO THE THC FIRST, GET ALL OF THAT CARRIED OUT, AND THEN BRING IT HERE.
AND THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE IN FACT DONE THAT.
THEY HAVE GOTTEN ALL THE APPROVALS HAVE PUT TOGETHER A FINANCIAL PACKAGE THAT INCLUDES TIFF MONEY FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, ACCORDING TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHAB.
THE ADDITION TO THE MAGNOLIA HOTEL MUST BE DIFFERENT.
IT CANNOT LOOK LIKE THE MAGNOLIA HOTEL, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
MANY OF YOU ARE THINKING THIS RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS ROOM FOR SUBJECTIVITY.
HOW MUCH IS DIFFERENT? HOW DIFFERENT IS, IS DIFFERENT.
THE HOTEL FLAG THAT WILL BE FLYING OVER THIS HOTEL IS ONE OF THE FINEST IN THE COUNTRY.
HOW DO I KNOW THAT? AND WHY DO I SAY THAT? BECAUSE THERE IS NO FLAG LIKE THAT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, OBVIOUSLY THEN AN ADDITION MUST BE UNIQUE.
IT CANNOT BE A COMMA IN THE SENATE'S DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT.
IT NEEDS TO BE AN EXCLAMATION POINT OF THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.
THE MAGNOLIA HOTEL PROPOSED DESIGN, EXCUSE ME, THAT IS YOUR TIME.
CAN I SAY ONE MORE SENTENCE? I MOVE THAT WE, UH, THIS COMMISSIONER IN OSA MOVE THAT WE GIVE, UH, THE SPEAKER AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES SECOND.
THE MAGNOLIA HOTEL PROPOSED DESIGN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT AND THE INTENT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEN EVEN IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, EVEN IF YOU NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I'M GONNA CHECK OFF THE MAGNOLIA HOTEL BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY THAT ONE DAY I'M GONNA GET A CALL THAT A DEMOLITION PERMIT HAS BEEN PULLED.
WE JUST LOST A HOME IN THE CITY.
VERY FAMOUS HOME BECAUSE I FOUND OUT, OOPS, A DEMOLITION PERMIT HAS BEEN PULLED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ESPECIALLY TO THE CITY OF DALLAS FIRST SKYSCRAPER.
I BELIEVE ALLISON REEVES, WHO SIGNED UP IS NOT AVAILABLE,
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BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON.IN THAT CASE, UH, PRAY GUSS AND CLAIRE TRAVIS SINCLAIR, DEVELOPER'S COUNSEL 2221 STANMORE LANE, PLANO, TEXAS.
AND I'LL JUST BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION.
WE ALSO HAD ONE MORE LETTER FROM VICTORIA CLOUD, WHICH YOU SHOULD ALL THE COMMISSIONERS SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, UM, EXPRESSING HER SUPPORT.
WOULD YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL YOU WANT TO ADD, KATE? OKAY, SO WHAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR MANY SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER RENO, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER RENO.
UM, SO NOW I REALIZE THERE'S BEEN THREE DIFFERENT SUBMISSIONS, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, UH, ALTERNATES, PARTICULARLY FOR, UH, FOR THE ADDITION NOT OR EXCLUSIVE OF THE CANOPY.
UM, IS THERE A FRONT RUNNER FAVORITE? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE? UM, OKAY, YOU FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, I SAW THE NEW DESIGNS THIS MORNING, SO I DUNNO.
SO WE HAVE CONTINUED TO STUDY THE ADDITION.
WE HAVE CONTINUED TO LISTEN TO YOUR COMMENTS THIS MORNING, AND WE HAVE HAD OUR DESIGN TEAM CONTINUE TO WORK, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE BEST DESIGN THAT WE CAN SET FORWARD.
THE OPTION THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS PREFERRED BY THE HOTEL OWNER.
OUR CLIENT AND OUR DESIGN TEAM ALSO ADVOCATES FOR THIS, THIS OPTION.
UM, WE FEEL THAT IT IS ORNATE, IT ENGAGES THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, AND IT IS, UM, THE BEST DESIGN THAT WE HAVE.
ALEJANDRO WILL CONTINUE TO ELABORATE.
SO THE MAIN, MAIN DIFFERENCE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE AND PREVIOUS ITERATIONS, WHICH HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED, UH, IN THE PACKET, UH, IS THAT WE'RE, UH, MOVING TO, OR WE'RE SUGGESTING IN THIS OPTION A METAL CLADDING FOR THE, FOR THE GARAGE DOORS AND, AND A METAL THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
UH, AND, AND ENGAGES BOTH THE OPENING OF, OF THAT, UH, REQUIRED LOADING AREA, UH, AND THEN INTEGRATING THOSE WITH TWO, UH, SIDE PANELS, ONE OF WHICH INCLUDES A MANOR THAT, THAT LEADS INTO SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, UH, SPACE OF THE BUILDING.
WE, WE STILL WANNA BRING THAT ELEVATED, UH, VOLUME DOWN.
UH, AND, AND WE HAVE IN, IN THE ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE TAKING THAT STONE, UH, USING THE SAME STONE, THE ORIGINAL STONE OF THE MAGNOLIA BUILDING, WHICH ACTUALLY WE HAD.
OKAY, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME SAMPLES TO, TO, TO SHARE WITH, UH, WITH THE PANEL AND, UH, CA CARRYING OVER THAT, UH, SAME LANGUAGE, OBVIOUSLY IN A MORE SIMPLIFIED, CLEANER LINE, UH, FASHION.
WE HAVE THE STONE WORK ON THE SIDES, UH, FRAMING THAT METAL OPENING OR, OR METAL PANEL.
AND, UH, IF YOU, WE ARE GONNA TO THE, TO THE RENDERING, UH, AND MAYBE TO THE CLOSEUP.
WHAT WE START TO SEE THERE IS THIS, THIS EMPHASIS IN TRYING TO GIVE THIS FACADE SOME SCALE.
UH, WE, WE DO HAVE THE CHALLENGE OF PLACING THE, THE, THE SPACES THAT ARE LACKING IN THE EXISTING BUILDING ARE ALL LARGE SPACES OR, UH, SPACES THAT REQUIRED A LOT OF VOLUME, UH, UM, LOADING AND UNLOADING ON THE, ON THE GROUND FLOOR BALLROOM, AND THEN POOL ON THE, ON THE TOP OF, OF THIS, UH, EXPANSION.
UH, SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE HAVE THE CHALLENGE OF MEETING THOSE EXPECTATIONS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME PRESENTING THE BUILDING TOWARDS THE CITY TO THE PUBLIC WITH, WITH A FACE THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE STUDIED ON THIS OPTION, TAKING SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE EXPRESSED THAT, THAT WERE EXPRESSED, UH, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, IS THAT WE, WE, IT, IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT, THAT THE BUILDING WAS GROUNDED AND THAT THERE WAS A SENSE OF A BASE.
AND, AND THE WAY THAT WE'RE ARTICULATING THESE PANELS IS WE'RE, WE'RE, INSTEAD OF HAVING A A, A PANEL, THAT IT'S COMPLETELY, UM, UH, PLAIN AND, AND COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND.
WE'RE ARTICULATING IN SUCH A WAY THAT, THAT IT REFLECTS, UH, UH, A BASE WITH A SAME DATA LINE THAT, THAT IT'S CARRYING OVER, CARRIED OVER FROM THE, THE, UH, THE BASE OF THE PILOT STAIRS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND COMBINING, UH, IN COMBINATION TO THAT, UH, LINE THAT, THAT THAT CREATES THAT BASE.
WE'RE REPLACING TWO PLANTERS OF EITHER SIDE, AGAIN, IN A SUBTLE, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE TAKING TO, TO BRING
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SOME, SOME SENSE OF SCALE AND SOME, UM, UH, PEDESTRIAN QUALITY, UH, ELEMENTS.UH, AND LASTLY, UH, UH, YOU HEARD, UH, ABOUT, ABOUT THE FLAG THAT IS INTERESTED IN COMING TO, TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IN THEIR, UM, IN THEIR BRAND AND IN THEIR LEGACY AND, AND IN THE WAY THAT THEY CONCEIVE.
THE SPACES, UH, METAL GRILLS ARE, ARE A VERY IMPORTANT FEATURE THAT THEY USE AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A RESOURCE THAT THEY USE IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, BOTH, UH, INSIDE AND OUT.
AND, UH, WE, WE TOOK, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN A MOTIF THAT RELATES TO THE MAGNOLIA BUILDING.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN INITIAL WAY THAT, THAT, THERE'S A DRAWING THERE THAT SUGGESTS, UH, A, A MAGNOLIA, BUT THEN THERE'S A SECOND ONE, A SECOND LAYER OF ARTICUL ARTICULATION THAT HAS A PERFORATED PA, UH, PER PERFORATED MOTIF ON THE, ON THE, ON THE METAL THAT CREATES, UH, A MORE ATTRACTIVE AND SCALE APPROPRIATE, UM, UH, PHASE TO TOWARDS THE CITY, TOWARDS THE PASSIVE VAN.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS.
WHO, WHO ELSE HAS QUESTIONS? OH, I'M SORRY.
I COULDN'T EVEN SEE YOUR LIGHT ON.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, VALENCE, UH, PANEL OR THE, THE SHADOW BOX AT THE TOP.
IS THAT ACTUALLY A SHADOW BOX? AND WHAT'S THAT MATERIAL AND IS IT THE SAME AS THAT? WHAT'S AT THE BOTTOM? THE, UH, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, THE OUTERMOST FRAME, IT'S A STONE FRAME.
UH, AND, AND IT'S THIS, THIS FRAME THAT, THAT TRIES TO FOLLOW THE, THE DATE LINES THAT ARE CREATED BY THE CORNEAS ON, ON THE TOP AND ON THE BOTTOM FOR, FROM THE MAIN OPENINGS.
AND, UM, THEN, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH, WITH THAT FRAME IS THAT THEN MAKE IT, UH, MAKE, MAKE, UH, COORDINATE THAT THAT OPENING, THAT IT'S INFORMED BY THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE BOX OR THE, OR THE VOLUME OF THE INTERIOR SPACE.
SO IN, IN THE ELEVATION, IF WE CAN SEE THE ELEVATION, UH, PATRICK, JUST FOR A QUICK MOMENT, UH, YOU SEE THOSE RECTANGLES, SO THOSE TWO FRAMES EXPRESS HERE, THE OUTERMOST, UH, WHICH IS, UH, RECEIVES YOU.
AND THEN THE, THE INNER ONE, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE SHAPE OF THE BALLROOM ITSELF WITH THE SEAL, IT DROPS CEILING AND THE FLOOR LINE.
SO, UH, THOSE, UH, THE, THAT, THAT INTERNAL VOLUME DOESN'T RELATE TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO IS TO CREATE THIS INTERSTITIAL, UH, FRAME THAT CONNECTS BOTH, AND IT'S, UH, DONE WITH THIS, UH, CANTED WALLS ON THE SIDES AND ON THE TOP AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM TO, TO BE ABLE TO REACH THE GLASS AND, AND TAKE ADVANTAGE, TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE AVAILABLE SPACE.
WE, UH, ARE CREATING, WE'RE PROPOSING THIS SHADOW BOX SO THAT THE GLASS IS NOT INTERRUPTED, UH, FROM THE OUTSIDE POINT OF VIEW, UH, BUT INSIDE THE FLOOR LINE HAPPENS WHERE IT, WHERE IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HAPPEN.
UH, SO, UH, AND IF YOU ZOOM ME INTO THE DETAIL, WHAT WE SEE IS THE GLAZING COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN.
THERE'S A LARGE POLE LACING, UH, ABOUT 20, 20 FOOT HIGH THAT REACHES THE TOP AND, AND COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, GIVING THE IMPRESSION OF A FLOOR TO CEILING GLASS.
AND THEN THERE ON THE BOTTOM WHERE, WHERE YOU SEE THE SHADOW, THE SHADOW BOX, WE HAVE, UM, WHAT, UH, WE HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE FACE IS RECESS BACK TO, TO CREATE THE CONTINUOUS GLASS EFFECT.
AND THE FINISH THERE IS, UH, MEANT TO MATCH THE REST OF THE FRAME.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE IS A PAINT FINISH OF A COLOR THAT MATCHES THE STONE COLOR, BUT, BUT IT WOULD BE INSIDE, INSIDE THE GLASS, IT WOULD BE PAINFUL FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT.
THAT'S PAINT AG ON THE INSIDE, ON THE INSIDE FRAMING OF THAT.
UM, QUESTION IS, AT ANY POINT NOW, OR IN ANY FUTURE DISCUSSIONS, UM, ANY ILLUMINATION OF, OF THIS SURROUND AREA AND THE, THE PAINTED GYP THAT'S DOING THIS KIND OF INTERIOR FRAME, SHADOW BOX, IS THERE ILLUMINATION? IS THERE LIGHTING INVOLVED IN THE, IN THE SURROUND? THERE IS A, THERE IS A, NOT JUST A BALLROOM LIGHTING, BUT THE BALL, BUT, BUT THE FACE, YEAH.
INTERIOR AND, AND AS OUR, AND, AND, AND, UH, AS A RENDERING, UH, UH, TRIES TO ILLUSTRATE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE INTENTION THAT THE MAIN, THE MAIN LIGHTING IS THE GLOWING OF, OF THE RIGHT OF THE SPACE, THE, THE, UH, IN, IN OPERATION.
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BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE THE CASE.UH, AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO WHAT WE DO HAVE IS, UH, A LIGHTING, UH, UH, A LIGHTING ELEMENT GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE FRAME.
AND I DON'T KNOW, PATRICK, IF YOU, IF YOU GET REALLY CLOSE TO THE DETAIL THAT YOU, YOU WE MAY BE ABLE TO PROCEED IN SECTION.
UH, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IN THE INSTANCES WHEN THERE'S, THERE'S NOT AN EVENT GOING ON OR THAT THERE IS, UM, UM, A SHEER, UH, BEING CLOSED, THAT, THAT WE STILL GET, UH, A, A BI FACADE, UH, LIGHT OPEN AND ANIMATED.
IF YOU, YEAH, I, I SAW THE, THE SECTIONS THAT YOU'RE ON AND I KIND OF SEE THAT IT'S NOT CALLED UP, BUT I SEE YOU'RE, IT'S LIKE A ME MECHANICAL SHADE OR CURTAIN.
I GUESS THAT'S, THERE'S, UM, BUT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THIS ELIMINATION.
UH, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD DESIGN.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THERE, BUT I'M GOING BACK TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICES, UH, GUIDELINES AS WELL.
AND MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS THE ADDITION PER NATIONAL PARK SERVICE LANGUAGE ADDITION SHOULD NOT BE SO DIFFERENT THAT IT BECOMES THE PRIMARY FOCUS.
NOW I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A HUGE PRIMARY FOCUS ON THE HISTORIC BUILDING ITSELF, BUT SOME OF THE ILLUMINATION OF THIS BUILDING COULD QUICKLY MAKE THIS INTO A PRIMARY FOCUS.
AND THAT WAS THE REASONS I CONCERNS WITH IT THE FIRST TIME AROUND OF IT JUST TURNING INTO, UH, SWITCHING THE, SWITCHING THE SUBTLETIES INTO THIS BEING A PRIMARY FOCUS WITH THE, THE SHEER ILLUMINATION AND THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF LEADING ON THESE QUESTIONS ON HOW THIS IS GONNA BE LIT UP OR USED ON, ON THAT.
AND SO ANYWAY, IF, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS FUTURE OF, OF, THERE IS THE CURRENT PLAN TO HAVE LIGHTING POCKETS AROUND THE WHOLE SURROUND THE WHOLE BOX.
I, IF I CAN STEP IN AND ADDRESS THIS AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THE LIGHTING FOR THE, FOR THE BALLROOM ITSELF AND THE SURROUND, UM, I THINK THE ILLUMINATION IN THIS RENDERING MAY SHOW A LITTLE BIT BRIGHT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE LIGHTING IN THE BALLROOM IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE DOWN LIGHTING, THAT'S LIGHTING WHAT'S ON THE SURFACE OF TABLE OR ON ON THE FLOOR.
THERE'S ALSO A SYSTEM IN THE, IN THE LIGHTING OF THE BALLROOM, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A STARRY NIGHT INSIDE.
SO IT'S, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY LOW VOLTAGE, VERY LIGHT AND VERY SUBTLE.
AND THEN AS, AS ALEJANDRA JUST POINTED OUT, THERE IS A, THERE IS A SHEAR THAT COMES BACK AT THE, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF, OF THE, UM, CEILING AT THE TOP, UH, WHERE IT'S SET BACK, UM, AT THE ANGLE.
AND THERE'S ALSO, AS YOU SAW IN THE DETAIL, UM, UM, BUILT INTO THE FRAME BLACKOUT SO YOU COULD CLOSE THE WHOLE THING.
SO, UH, A LOT OF THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE SUBTLE THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE RENDERINGS TODAY, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IN THE DETAILS AS WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ADDRESS THAT SO THAT THIS IS MEANT TO BE A VERY SUBTLY LIT FRAME.
AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING, EVEN AT THE STREET LEVEL, LIGHTING IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
SO HOW WE GRAZE THE LIGHT, UH, ALONG THE UNDERSIDE OF, OF THE, UH, BALLROOM ALONG THOSE, THOSE GRILLS THAT ARE DOWN BELOW IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
SO IT'S MEANT TO BE VERY, VERY SUBTLE, UM, AND NOT OSTENTATIOUS AT ALL, NOT TO PULL ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE DETAIL OF THE LIGHTING THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING ON THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH, UH, IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED AS WELL.
YOU CAN KINDA SEE MY CONCERNS.
I KNOW THAT'S IN THIS DAY AND AGE OF MODERN LED PACKAGING AND A LOT OF BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, JUMP ON THE FACT OF LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT HAVE SPOTLIGHTS ON THIS.
WE CAN JUST START MAKING THIS THING GLOW AND WE CAN GO BRIGHT AND WE CAN START CHANGING COLORS AND GLOWING.
AND SO THEN WE START FOCUSING ON THIS NEW ADDITION THAT IT'S REALLY NICE ADDITION, IT'S NICE AND SUBTLE, IT SPEAKS IN SPACE AND SCALE, IT SPEAKS CORRECTLY.
I MEAN, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH KIND OF BEEN DONE, RIGHT? I HAD A LITTLE CONCERNS WITH THE SHADOW BOXING APPROACH, BUT I THINK YOU'RE KIND OF LIMITED TO THE GIRTH OF SOME OF THAT.
AND IF YOU START TRYING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, IT'S GONNA DOMINO THE EFFECTS OF THE BUILDING.
SO I THINK THE SUBTLETIES ARE THERE IN THE BUILDING AND IT'S JUST THE, WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THE PACKAGES, LIKE THOSE LED PACKAGES AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND HOW THIS THING CAN JUST TAKE ON A LIFE FORM OF ITS OWN AND JUST GLOW AS A BEACON, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS ON THE FENCE AND KIND OF GOING, FALLING ON ONE SIDE OR NOT BECAUSE OF THAT, I, I COMPLETE, I I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UH, THE BRAND THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WOULD NOT WANT IT TO GO THAT WAY.
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SO THE WAY THIS BUILDING WILL BE LIT WILL BE HIGHLY SCRUTINIZED BY OUR, OUR TEAM AND OUR LIGHTING DESIGNER, YOU KNOW, UH, WHILE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT.
SO, UM, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT WON'T BE WHAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I APPRECIATE THAT LIGHTING DESIGNERS CAN GO CRAZY WITH BUILDINGS AND YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I LOVE GUARANTEES.
BUT ALSO, DO WE FOLLOW UP, UH, ANY KIND OF, DO WE GET TO SEE ANY OF THE LIGHTING PACKAGES THAT MIGHT BE PUT ON THIS AND ARE THEY IN THE PACKAGE NOW OR IF, IF SO IF WE CAN MAKE ANY KIND OF MOTIONS AT THIS POINT SO WE CAN GO FORWARD, IF THAT MAY BE THE CASE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVIEW WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS ON WHAT KIND OF LIGHTING PACKAGE COULD BE? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING I CAN DO OR TALK ABOUT? UM, IT'S THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE EXTERIOR.
UM, I, I WOULD BE CAREFUL GOING THAT DIRECTION.
WHAT CAN WE SAY DO, BECAUSE, AND, AND AGAIN, UH, AND TO BE HONEST, I THINK BACK IN 78 I HELPED WRITE THESE BECAUSE I WAS HERE
SO IF IT'S LACKING, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE IS BECAUSE IT WAS A NEW, IT WAS ONE OF THE EARLY DESIGNATIONS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET INVOLVED IN, RIGHT? NO, BUT THE PURVIEW THE PURVIEW OF THAT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTING THAT IS CLOSEST TO THE STREET, WHICH WOULD BE THE SHADOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BALLROOM AT ALL.
I, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION BECAUSE IT DOES IMPACT IT.
I JUST WOULD BE HESITANT TO GO ANYTHING THAT USUALLY IS NO, NO, NO.
AND I'M NOT EVEN, THOSE WERE NOT EVEN CONCERNS ON THE BALLROOM LIGHTING AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING MORE, A LOT THAT'S BEEN UTILIZED OVER THE LAST DECADE SINCE THESE LEE PACKAGES HAVE BEEN COMING OUT.
IT'S THE SURROUND AND HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO THE WINDOW, AND WE'VE GOT A HUGE, YOU KNOW, WINDOW TO ILLUMINATE.
AND SO THAT WAS, THAT'S, THAT'S MY LAST CONCERN ON THIS.
I MEAN, I, I THINK, CAN I JUST MENTION ALSO, UM, NPS HAS SEEN, UH, RENDERINGS OF THE BALLROOM, UM, AT NIGHT, BUT UM, AS, AS, UH, SHOWN HERE WITH THE LIGHTING AND THEY HAVEN'T, UH, EXPRESSED ANY CONCERNS.
WAS THERE ANY SHOWN AN LED PACKET SURROUND AROUND THE BOX OR JUST, OR JUST SHOWING THE LIGHTING OF THE BALLROOM LIGHTING? BECAUSE THE BALLROOM LIGHTING SOUNDS, I MEAN, THAT LOOKS, THAT'S BALLROOM LIGHTING, THAT'S INTERIOR.
YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM? I'M TRYING.
TRYING TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH IT AND IF WE HAVE ANY KIND OF, UM, SUBMITTALS ON THAT AND IF WE HAVE ANYTHING TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT TOO.
SO, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO, UM, SUBMITTING OR NOT.
WE'LL DEFINITELY FOLLOW WHAT, UH, DR.
R DUNN IS GOING TO, UM, TELL US.
UM, BUT WE ARE, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, THC NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND THEY WILL BE REVI REVIEWING ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, UM, AS WELL AS SOME SIGNAGE FOR US AS WELL.
AND SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVEN'T STOPPED.
WE ARE CONTINUING TO REVIEW THAT WITH THEM.
AND BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE AN ADDENDUM TO THE ORIGINAL APPROVED EXTERIOR HERE, WE WILL BE SUBMITTING THIS AGAIN.
AND IN CONTINUING THOSE LIGHTING DISCUSSIONS AS THAT'S BEEN A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND ANY, ANY CHANGES THAT ARE MADE, UM, IN THAT WAY, WE WILL BE COMMUNICATING TO THEM.
I JUST DON'T WANT, I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT COULD BE A VERY BIG DEFINING ELEMENT.
I, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT COMMENT A LITTLE BIT.
I KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE A PARKING LOT AND LIGHT CANNOT LEAVE THE PARKING LOT TO GO TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH A, A, A LIGHT VALUE OR LUMENS THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING THAT WE COULD SAY IT'S GONNA BE A SOFT LIGHT AND NOT A, A HARSH LIGHT BY DETERMINING HOW MUCH LIGHT CAN LEAVE THE BALLROOM ONTO THE STREET THAT POSSIBLE? SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE DESIGN TEAM OR, OR IT'S JUST A GENERAL QUESTION FOR EVERY, ANYBODY WHO MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO ESTABLISH THAT THERE WOULD BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LIGHT THAT COULD COME OUT OF THAT LARGE WINDOW BY, BY FOOT CANDLES OR LUMENS OR WHATEVER.
FOR INSTANCE, IN A PARKING GARAGE, THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS CANNOT GO INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD AND THERE'S A, A FORMULA OF HOW MUCH LIGHT CAN LEAVE THE SITE.
AND, AND DALLAS, UM, ORDINANCE AND, AND CODES DEFINITELY GIVE THAT TO US AS WELL.
AND WE DO HAVE OUR DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING, UM, NOT JUST PRESERVATION WISE, BUT FOR THE CLIENT.
AND I BELIEVE WE ARE KEEPING IT TO A WARM LIGHT.
UM, AND WE, OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO SHINE LIGHT ONTO ADJACENT LOTS, UM, BUT TO KEEP IT WITHIN,
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IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF STANDARD THAT WE CAN SAY THAT NO MORE THAN SO MUCH LIGHT WILL BE COMING OUT OF THIS LARGE WINDOW.CAN THAT BE DETERMINED? I WOULD ADD TO THAT, UH, WITH THE SHEER, THE BLACKOUT DRAPES AND HAVING REVIEWED THE LIGHTING PACKAGE, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL DIMMABLE.
SO WE CAN, IF IT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMMODATED, WE COULD CERTAINLY ADJUST.
BUT THAT'S, THE FLEXIBILITY IS CERTAINLY BUILT INTO WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED AROUND CURRENTLY.
I ALSO HAD A, A QUESTION OR COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE LOWER LEVEL, THE, THE BASE OF THE ADDITION.
INITIALLY, WE LOOKED AT UNTIL MOMENTS AGO, A LIMESTONE TYPE BASE, WHICH MATCHES THE LIMESTONE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH MAY BE PREFERRED AND BRINGING IN A A, A NEW MATERIAL, WHICH IS FOREIGN TO THE BUILDING MIGHT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
BUT ALSO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION LAST TIME OF MAYBE LIGHTNING UP THE BASE WITH SOME TYPE OF SHOW WINDOWS OR SOME TYPE OF INTEREST WHEN YOU WALK BY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE IS A LARGE GARAGE DOOR, BUT THERE ARE, UH, SIDE, UM, PANELS ON EACH SIDE THAT POSSIBLY COULD BE USED AS A DISPLAY WINDOW TO PROMOTE THE HOTEL OR THE RESTAURANT.
I'M JUST FEELING THAT WALKING BY THAT FIRST FLOOR ISN'T VERY UPLIFTING.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, UH, THE PLANTERS REALLY GIVE YOU ENOUGH FEELING OF, OF STREET INTEREST AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO EVEN CONSIDER OR TALK ABOUT IS HOW TO LIGHTEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND ALSO THE CHANGE IN MATERIALS.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CAST STONE LIMESTONE KIND OF WORKS WITH THE BUILDING, BRINGING IN THIS EXTRA METAL, THOUGH IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE, BUT DOES IT REALLY DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING? THANK YOU.
UM, ON THE ISSUE OF THE LIGHTING, I BELIEVE STAFF FEELS THAT WE CANNOT REALLY, UM, INDICATE IN SOME NUMBERS HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH LUMENS CAN COME OUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE HAVE DEFINITELY CONVEYED TO THE DESIGNERS ARE WISH THAT THERE NOT BE A LINE OF LIGHTS INSIDE JUST INSIDE THAT GLASS THAT WOULD LIKE, LOOK AT ME,
AND I THINK THEY'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S ALSO WHAT THE, THE NEW OWNERS WHOSE NAME WE CANNOT KNOW, OR WHOEVER THEY ARE, MAY PREFER BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY LIKE ELEGANCE AND NOT YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, ON THE ISSUE OF THE, THE PART HOW YOU'RE GONNA FINISH THE GARAGE PART, THIS ONE THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN, I FIND VERY APPEALING IN SOME WAYS.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE NOW, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID YOU REALLY WANNA GO WITH NOW? I WANNA CLARIFY THAT.
I, AND I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ADDITION OF THAT, IT BECOMES EVEN MORE CLEAR THAT THIS NEW ADDITION IS GONNA READ TO MORE PEOPLE, LIKE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE BUILDING.
SO WE HAVE THIS OLD BUILDING AND HERE'S THIS NEW BUILDING NEXT TO IT, WHICH IS OKAY BY ME, BUT IT DOES CHANGE THAT I, I THINK IT IS SUPERIOR TO THE KIND OF PLAID LIMESTONE ONE THAT WE HAD IN OUR ORIGINAL ONE, UM, SUBMISSION.
AND, UH, THE ETCHING DOES SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING INTERESTING TO LOOK AT.
I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN PUT WINDOWS INTO A GARAGE DOOR.
I MEAN, ANY SORT OF SHOW WINDOWS OR SOMETHING, WE'D SEE THE LOADING DOCK, RIGHT? UNDERSTANDABLE.
IF WE WERE TO ADD WINDOWS, UH, ON THIS FACADE, WE WOULD LOOK INTO A BACKUP HOUSE AREA, THE LOADING DOCK, AND WHERE THOSE ITEMS ARE HAPPENING.
UM, SO IF WE WERE TO PUT WINDOWS ON THE LOADING DOCK DOORS, FOR EXAMPLE, IT MAY, IT MAY ACTUALLY GIVE IT MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL FEEL AND DOES NOT ALIGN WITH OUR DESIGN INTENT.
WELL I, I CAN SEE SOME MERIT IN THIS CORRECT DESIGN.
OTHER QUESTIONS? WHO HAS OTHER QUESTIONS? WE ALL HAVE CONCERNS? COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG.
UM, JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS KIND OF A BRONZE COLOR THAT'S TO MATCH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN APPROVED? YES.
WE HAVE SAMPLES THAT WE CAN PASS AROUND.
THIS COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK COMMISSIONER BERGER'S DONE, BUT THEN YOU'LL BE NEXT.
'CAUSE THEY JUST TOLD ME YOU'VE BEEN WAVING AT ME AND I MISSED YOU.
UM, AND THEN JUST REAL BRIEFLY, CANOPY, THAT WAS, UM, MANY QUESTIONS I HAD LAST TIME.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE REVISIONS AND FOR YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOUR RESEARCH.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU DID PROVIDE A, UM, KIND OF NEW RENDERING TODAY THAT KIND OF SHOWED, UH, KIND OF AN ARCHED RAINBOW KIND OF LINES WITHIN THE GLASS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF PROPOSING TO US TODAY IS YOUR PREFERRED DESIGN AS WELL? YES.
UM, AS PATRICK IS MOVING TOWARDS IT, SO WE CAN TAKE ONE MORE LOOK AT IT.
UM, THE OPTION THAT WE HAVE HERE IS OUR PREFERRED DESIGN.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS BUILDING AT THIS ENTRANCE, THE GEOMETRY OF IT, AND WHAT WE CAN SEE THROUGH THE GLASS.
AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PASS ALONG SOME EXAMPLES OF TED GLASS SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT,
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UH, LOOKS LIKE UP CLOSE.OF COURSE, THIS IS GOING TO BE OVER OUR HEADS AND IT WILL STILL REMAIN TRANSPARENT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ITS ORNAMENTATION ABOVE.
IF I CAN ADD SOMETHING, UH, THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS.
UM, THE, THE PATTERN THAT YOU SEE ON THE FREIGHT OR, OR ON THE GLASS, UH, IS, IS, IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF, OF WHAT WE WOULD DO AS A CUSTOM, UH, FREIGHT.
SO, SO WE'RE PASSING AROUND SOME EXAMPLES OF, UH, SIMILAR, UH, UH, DESIGNS, BUT, BUT THE ONE THAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT HERE WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THE BUILDING.
AND, AND THE GOAL WOULD TO BE KEEP, IT WOULD BE TO KEEP IT RATHER, UH, CLEAR IN ORDER TO LOOK UP.
THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY MAJOR CONCERNS I HAD.
UM, I VERY MUCH LIKE THAT CANOPY.
UH, BUT MY QUESTIONS ARE, UH, FOR THE ADDITION, THE GLASS ENCASED ADDITION, HOW PROTECTIVE IS THAT GLASS? UH, LIKE IN THE HEAT OF TEXAS SUMMER, IF THERE'S ANY RA, SUN RAY THAT COME DOWN, UH, WHAT PROTECTION DO YOU HAVE ALSO, LET'S SAY ACTIVITY OR EVEN GUNFIRE? I CAN, I CAN, UH, SPEAK TO THE, TO THE PERFORMANCE.
UH, IT, IT IS A, A HIGH PERFORMING GLASS.
UH, IT HAS A SILVER COATING, ALTHOUGH IT'S CONSIDERED CLEAR GLASS.
IT DOES HAVE A SILVER COATING.
UM, AND WE WILL PASS, UH, SOME EXAMPLES AND, AND TO MEET ENERGY CODE, WE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO USE A, A, A HIGH PERFORMING GLASS.
UH, NEVERTHELESS, WE WANNA ACHIEVE THAT TRANSPARENCY.
SO, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO A GLASS THAT HELPS US, UH, MEET THE, THE TWO EXPECTATIONS, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THAT, THAT'S GONNA PARTIALLY TAKE CARE OF THE SOLAR HEAT GAIN.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO, IN THE, IN THE FACADE SYSTEM, WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, BLACKOUT, UH, PANEL THAT, THAT COMES DOWN IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE DIFFERENT MOSS.
AND, AND WE CAN SHOW THAT IN THE SECTION PATRICK.
UH, SO IN, IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE EITHER THE SPACE IS NOT IN USE OR THERE'S, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THE EVENT TAKING PLACE INSIDE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SHADING ELEMENT THAT WOULD COME DOWN, UH, IN THE, IN THE FIRST PLANE, UH, AGAIN, IN BETWEEN EACH OF THE MULLINS.
AND THAT WOULD, WOULD CREATE A, AN ADDITIONAL PROTECTION AGAINST THE, THE SUNLIGHT.
UH, WE ARE, UH, FACING SOUTH, UH, OR MOSTLY FACING SOUTH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE DO HAVE A, UH, WE'RE IN A KIND OF A DENSE CLUSTER.
AND, UH, IN OUR SOLAR STUDIES, WE, UH, DURING MOST OF THE DAY, WE DO RECEIVE SHADING FROM THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE, THE PROPERTY.
UH, FORTUNATELY FOR THE SOLID HEAT, HEAT GAIN, A LITTLE BIT UNFORTUNATE FOR THE, FOR THE POOL THAT WHICH HAPPENS ABOVE THIS, BUT THAT, THAT SHOULD HELP US MEET, MEET THE, UH, UH, COMFORT LEVEL AND, AND KEEP THE HEAT OUT.
UM, THE, THE, THE LAST THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT THAT SAME, UH, UH, BLACKOUT PANEL THAT COMES DOWN IS ALIGNED WITH THE, WITH THE BACKSIDE OF THE, OF THE SHADOW BOX.
SO WHEN, WHEN THOSE, UH, SHADES ARE DOWN, THE, THE EFFECT OF A SHADOW BOX WOULD BE OUT OF A CONTINUED SHADOW BOX ALL THE WAY, UM, UH, COVERING ALL, ALL THE, ALL THE LACING PORTION.
AND IN THE EVENT OF, UH, UH, THE SEVERE TORNADO OR GUNFIRE, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD GUNFIRE IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, UH, BUILDINGS BEFORE COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER THE GLASS MEETS THE SPECIFICATIONS IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT NOT ABOUT, UM, ITS ABILITY TO WITHSTAND TORNADOES.
THAT IS A BUILDING CODE ISSUE AND NOT THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION.
SO KATE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, WHILE THAT IS A CONCERN, OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY WILL BE CHECKING UP ON THAT SAFETY CONCERN TO MAKE, MAKE SURE IT MEETS CODE? YES.
UH, THE CODE INSPECTORS WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE PROPER GLASS, UH, IN THERE THAT WILL WITHSTAND, UH, WHAT'S NEEDED TO BE WITHSTOOD.
IT'S ACTUALLY A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, ONE TO THE APPLICANT.
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THANK YOU FOR THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK AND TIME YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS AND TO BRING US SOMETHING SHORT OF MAGNIFICENT, I GUESS.BUT IT'S CERTAINLY WONDERFUL, UH, STAFF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THE PLANS, UM, AS SUBMITTED AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY HAVE BEEN GO, GONE THROUGH BOTH THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL FOLKS, AND THEY'VE AGREED TO THESE.
UH, STATE AND FEDERAL HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOST RECENT CHANGES, AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO TAKE THESE CHANGES BACK TO STATE AND FEDERAL FOR RE-REVIEW.
I CAN ADD TO THAT IF, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UH, SO FOR THE CANOPY AND THE ADDITION THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO YOU FOLKS, UM, WE HAVE SENT ALONG THE SAME PRESENTATION TO VALERIE.
SHE IS THE, UM, PLANNER FOR THE STATE.
UM, THE MOST RECENT EXTERIOR THAT YOU HAVE UP ON YOUR SCREEN WITH THE LOADING DOCK CHANGED.
SHE HAS NOT SEEN THAT JUST YET, BUT FROM HER FEEDBACK THAT SHE'S GIVEN TO US, UM, THIS WILL IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL THAT THEY APPROVED AND THEY WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE THAT IT IS MOVED AWAY FROM THE, UM, THE SUBMITTAL THAT YOU GUYS SAW THIS MORNING.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE CONTEMPORARY AESTHETIC THAT THEY, UH, ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I THINK I HAVE A MOTION READY OVER HERE.
I LEFT, BUT CAN I, CAN I JUST ADDRESS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S, UM, CONCERNS FROM EARLIER? IT WAS ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF, UH, INTRODUCING A METAL GRILL, UM, WITH THE ADDITION.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UH, IN OUR RESEARCH WE'VE UNCOVERED PHOTOS OF THE MAGNOLIA HOTEL FROM THE TIME WHEN THE FIRST FLOOR WAS A BANK AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE DID HAVE A, A BEAUTIFUL METAL GRILL.
UM, AND SO THIS IS CLEARLY NOT COPY OF THAT, BUT THERE IS SOME, UM, SOME PRECEDENT FOR THAT, UH, THAT TYPE OF, UH, FEATURE IN THE BUILDING.
I DID, DID SOMEONE, YEAH, IT WAS JUST ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE, UH, CLARIFICATION OF THE BRONZE.
THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT SUBMITTALS.
THERE'S A DARK AND THEN MEDIUM.
DIDN'T KNOW IF WHICH OF THOSE TWO OR IF IN FACT BOTH ARE USED ON THIS.
ALL THE BRONZE THAT WE SENT AROUND, UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A BIT OF ISSUE TO GET THE EXACT CUSTOM COLOR THAT IT WILL BE.
SO IT'LL BE, UH, JUST IN BETWEEN DOING OUR VERY BEST TO GET YOU EVERYTHING
I UNDERSTAND IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET THE EXACT EXAMPLES OF EVERYTHING, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FOR, FOR THAT BRONZE TO CLOSELY MATCH THE, THE DARK, UH, MATERIAL THAT HAD, IT'S IN THE EXISTING, IT'S ON THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DARK, BUT NOT AS DARK AS OUR DARK, UH, SAMPLING TODAY.
IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BERGER TAKING THIS ON SURE.
REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 1 14 0 1 COMMERCE STREET, KNOWN AS THE MAGNOLIA BUILDING CA 2 3 4 0 5 3 RD.
REGARDING BOTH REQUESTS, UH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ITEM PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE ACCEPTANCE AND DRAWINGS AND RENDERINGS PROVIDED TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2023, WHICH INCLUDE THE BRONZE DOORS WITH PATTERN DESIGN AND CANOPY REDUCED SIZE WITH ARCH LINES IN THE GLASS WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND RESPECTIVE APPROVAL BODIES BE AWARE OF.
OUR CONCERN REGARDING THE TRESPASS OF LIGHT THROUGH THE, UH, WINDOW OF THE ADDITION AND ANY REVISION SHALL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.
SECOND, SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, SECONDED.
THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD MOTION FOR SUCH A
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THIS MOTION BEFORE WE VOTE? SET EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO SAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? IT APPEARS THAT YOUR MOTION HAS CON CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
UM, AND I GUESS WE'LL SEE YOU BACK FOR FURTHER DETAILS OR SOMETHING PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UH, THANK YOU.
ALL OF YOU, THE ENTIRE GROUP HAS TO COME BACK.
NEXT STEP IS D TWO NEXT POSITION AVENUE.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT HAVING A PROBLEM DOING THAT.
WE HAVE FIVE SPEAKERS FOR THIS ONE, BY THE WAY, WHEN WE GET TO THAT.
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OKAY.RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1800 EXPOSITION AVENUE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 54 RD.
THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 22 ACRE COMMUNITY PARK ON EXISTING PARKING LOTS, 10 A AND 10 B IN TRANSITION ZONE ONE.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW 22 ACRE COMMUNITY PARK ON EXISTING PARKING LOTS, 10 A AND 10 B IN TRANSITION ZONE ONE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 10 12 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION, SECTION 7.1, PERTAINING TO TRANSITION ZONE ONE, ALSO THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 0.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW 22 ACRE COMMUNITY PARK ON THE EXISTING PARKING LOTS.
10 A AND 10 B IN THE TRANSITION ZONE.
NUMBER ONE, BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE FIVE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.
MAY I GET US STARTED? MADAM CHAIR, MY NAME IS NORMAN ALSTON, 5 0 6 MONTE VISTA.
I'M PRESERVATION ARCHITECT WORKING WITH FAIR PARK.
FIRST, I'M HERE TO BRIEFLY AND INTRODUCE THIS PROJECT TO YOU.
TODAY, UM, NOW THE, UM, UH, WHEN FAIR PARK FIRST WAS FORMED AND, AND TO SEE THEIR CONTRACT TO WORK WITH FAIR PARK TO RESTORE AND REVITALIZE FAIR PARK, UH, UH, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE FIRST TASK THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO US WAS TO CREATE A LONG PROMISE, BUT NOT DELIVER COMMUNITY PARK TO THE NEARBY COMMUNITY, UH, WHAT WE ARE.
UH, A YEAR AGO, I THINK THIS MONTH WE CAME FORWARD WITH A COURTESY REVIEW AND GOT THIS COMMISSION'S INPUT ON THE DESIGN OF THAT PART.
UH, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD, BUT TODAY MARKS A AN IMPORTANT STEP IN THAT PROCESS WHERE WE COME FORWARD WITH THE, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPED DESIGN FOR YOUR REVIEW AND HOPEFULLY APPROVAL.
I'M GONNA LET MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE, UH, UH, TAKE THE LEAD IN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UH, I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT AS DR. DUNN MENTIONED, IT'S IN A TRANSITION ZONE.
IT IS PART OF THE CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK DISTRICT.
IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES, HOWEVER, OF THE, UH, OF 1936 EXPOSITION, UH, THE NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICT AND THE STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARK DISTRICT.
UM, THE IDEA FOR THE PARK IS TO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY.
WE EVEN EARLY ON, ENCOURAGED THE DESIGN TEAM TO NOT REFER BACK TO DESIGN ELEMENTS FROM THE 1936 EXPOSITION AND TECH ARCHITE THAT'S SO, UH, SO LOVED AT FAIR PARK, BUT INSTEAD, THIS IS THE FOCUS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THAT WILL BE OPEN YEAR ROUND, REGARDLESS OF THE STATE FAIR OR ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES THERE, AND SERVICE THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE WITH US TODAY.
UH, SEVERAL TEAM MEMBERS I'D LIKE TO, UH, TO PASS OFF, UH, WHATEVER TIME WE HAVE TODAY, UH, RIGHT NOW TO, UH, BRIAN LEE WELLEN, CEO AT FAIR PARK FIRST, AND LET HIM GIVE YOU A LITTLE, UH, MORE BACKGROUND ON WHAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, BRIAN LEWELLEN, 25 25 ELM STREET.
AND I PROMISE I'M GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, WELL, I DO REPRESENT, UH, UH, CARNIVAL SITE.
SO AS A CARNEY, I, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER I MIGHT BE TRUTHFUL.
UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRUTH.
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
AND THE PROJECT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE RESULT OF HUNDREDS OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND TOUCH POINTS LEADING BACK TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 20 YEAR MASTER PLAN FOR THIS SITE.
AND IN THOSE MANY CONVERSATIONS, WHAT CAME FORWARD WAS THE DEEP RIFT, A SCAR THAT DEVELOPED WITHIN THE CITY, MORE THAN DOUBLED THE SIZE OF FAIR PARK BY TAKING HUNDREDS OF BLACK OWNED HOMES FROM THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND MANY BUSINESSES.
UH, THE SITE THAT WAS CHOSEN FOR THE COMMUNITY PARK BY OVER 82% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA WAS INDEED OUR LARGEST PARKING LOT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE HOME OF MANY OF THOSE HOMES WHICH WERE
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TAKEN AWAY THROUGH IMMINENT DOMAIN.THIS CANNOT BE A PROJECT IN WHICH FAIR PARK REACHES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAPPENED BEFORE, UH, 40 SOME ODD YEARS AGO.
IT DID NOT RED DOWN TO THE ADVANTAGE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND SO VERY THOUGHTFULLY, WE SEE THIS AS A RED CARPET, IN THIS CASE, A GREEN CARPET THAT SHOULD CONNECT OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOMES IN THE TRADITION OF, EXCUSE ME, SIR.
ACTUALLY, I, I THINK WE'RE GOING WITH, UM, THREE MINUTES FOR EACH SPEAKER, UNLESS ANYONE OBJECT FOR THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN EACH INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER GETS THREE MINUTES EVEN IF THEY ARE PART OF A TEAM.
OKAY? SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MUCH IN THE TRADITION OF THE SOUTHERN FRONT PORCH, WHICH CONNECTS YOUR HOME TO THE NATURAL WORLD.
THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK TO OUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS FITSU ADDITIVE IN A WELCOMING WAY AND WELCOME THEM AS NEIGHBORS AND EQUALS INTO A SPACE THAT THEY FELT VERY INTENTIONALLY WALLED OFF FROM.
UH, IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO TAKE THE HOMES, BIG BLACK GATES REPLACED THEM.
THOSE WILL GO AWAY AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
INTENTIONALITY AND DELIVERY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE HEALING OF VERY DEEP RACIAL WOUNDS.
AND ULTIMATELY, WE HAVE A LONG BROKEN PROMISE MADE AT THE TIME BY THE THEN PARK DIRECTOR THAT THOUGH WE ARE TAKING YOUR HOMES ONE DAY, THERE WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACE HERE, A PLACE OF PRIDE.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BRING YOUR FAMILIES BACK TO THIS AND FEEL PROUD TO BE PART OF FAIR PARK.
WELL, FOR 40 YEARS, NO ONE CAN TELL YOU WHERE THAT WAS GONNA BE, WHETHER IT BE A DOG PARK OR SKATE PARK.
AND THERE REALLY WASN'T A LOT OF INTENTIONALITY TO DELIVERING ON THAT PROMISE.
UH, WITH YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, WE STAND AT A PRECIPICE BEING ABLE TO BREAK GROUND IN THE COMING MONTHS.
UH, THERE'S NOTHING MORE EXCITING TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND I SIMPLY ASK FOR YOUR HUMBLE CONSIDERATION TODAY, UH, OF AN APPROVAL OF THE C OF A, SO THAT THIS PROJECT MAY FINALLY, AFTER MANY DECADES OF FALSE STARTS MOVE FORWARD, UH, VERY REAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU EACH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WE STILL HAVE, UM, MARCEL QUIMBEE WROTE DOWN QUESTIONS ONLY.
SO, UM, UH, WE HAVE, UH, BENJI FREEMAN AND BRADLEY GOODMAN.
YES, MY NAME'S BRADLEY GOODMAN, 1 0 5 3 4 SILVER ROCK DRIVE, AND I, UH, PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
DO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? UM, I'M GONNA TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE PARK.
UM, UH, BRIAN TALKED ABOUT WHY THE PARK IS HERE.
I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE PARK.
BUT FIRST I WANNA INTRODUCE THE DESIGN TEAM.
THERE'S, UH, NO LESS THAN 10 CONSULTANT TEAMS WHO'VE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT FOR A YEAR PLUS, UM, IN COLLABORATION, STRONG COLLABORATION WITH EACH OTHER.
THEY'RE AN ARCHITECTURE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE FIRM FROM LOS ANGELES.
THEY'RE THE PRIME LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT MYSELF, REPRESENTING THE STUDIO OUTSIDE.
WE'RE THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
OUR, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OF RECORD.
ALLISON WILLIAMS, UH, IS A DESIGN ARCHITECT.
BC WORKSHOP IS THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD.
JASTER ILLA IS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
M-E-P-C-E IS THE, THE MEP ENGINEER.
SAUNDERS AND ASSOCIATES ARE SECURITY AND AUDIO VISUAL AND ESSENTIAL LIGHTINGS DOING LIGHTING DESIGN.
SO THERE ARE NUMEROUS CONSULTANTS HERE THAT HAVE COLLABORATED TO HELP, UH, DEVELOP THIS PART TO POINT THAT, UH, WE ARE TODAY.
UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THIS PARK IS VERY INTENTIONALLY IN THIS PARK, UM, PROGRAM WAS REALLY BASED ON FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM ALL OF THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
SO, AS BRIAN MENTIONED, SKATE PARK THERE, THERE'S NO SKATE PARK IN IN THIS PARK, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS WANTED FOR THIS PARK.
BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, A PARK THAT IS BUILT AROUND.
FAMILY IS BUILT AROUND EVENTS, IT'S BUILT AROUND COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE, UH, THE ILLUSTRATION HERE IN GREEN, WE HAVE AN EVENT LINE THAT'S ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF FOR OUTDOOR MOVIES, CONCERTS, PERFORMANCES, LARGE FLEXIBLE GATHERING.
THAT SPACE WILL, CAN HOLD UP TO MAYBE 1500 BLANKETS LAID OUT ON THE GROUND FOR YOUR FAMILY, OR AS MANY AS, YOU KNOW, EIGHT OR 10,000 PEOPLE, UH, IN A STANDING POSITION.
SO IT'S A VERY LARGE, UH, OPEN LAWN THAT'S KIND OF SLOPED DOWN TOWARDS A STAGE.
UM, WHICH ALSO ALLOW FOR INFORMAL PLAY WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED.
WE HAVE A FLEX LAWN THAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF THAT.
IT'S ACTUALLY SHOWN VERY DARK ON THIS PLAN, BUT IT IS DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH.
UM, AND THEN IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS A FUTURE STAGE FOR, UH, CONCERTS, THEATER EVENTS, UH, SMALL, YOU KNOW, UM, PERFORMANCES THAT YOU CAN EITHER, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FACE TO THE NORTH AND HAVE A LARGER EVENT YOU CAN FACE TO THE SOUTH AND HAVE SMALLER EVENTS.
UM, ONE OF THE MAIN ELEMENTS THAT WAS REQUESTED WAS PLAY ALL TYPES OF PLAY.
SO WE HAVE THREE VERY DISTINCTIVE PLAY AREAS, ONE TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS CALLED THE CROSS TIMBERS PLAY AREA.
THIS IS A MORE NATURAL PLAY AREA WITH LARGE TIMBERS
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BEING THE BASIS OF DESIGN OF, OF, UM, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.WE HAVE, UH, A TEXAS TWISTER PLAY AREA THAT'S THEMED, THAT'S A VERY TALL CLIMBING STRUCTURE.
OKAY, I'LL REQUEST A COUPLE MORE MINUTES.
THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER OSA.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE GIVE THE GENTLEMAN, UH, THREE MORE MINUTES FOR HIS PRESENTATION.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
WE HAVE, UM, A PRAIRIE ADVENTURE PLAY AREA THAT HAS CLIMBING SLIDES, CUSTOM THEMED ANIMAL SCULPTURE PLAY, UM, FOR ALL AGES.
UM, WE HAVE A FITNESS LOOP THAT, UH, WE HAVE FIXED EQUIPMENT TO THE NORTH AND A LOOP THAT, UH, TRAVERSES THE SITE FOR FITNESS.
THERE'S A MARKET GROVE, WHICH IS, UM, A GROVE OF 35 TO 40 TREES STRATEGICALLY PLACED TO ALLOW TENTS.
UM, THESE ARE DECIDUOUS TREES SO THAT IN THE WINTER THERE'S STILL SUNLIGHT THAT GETS IN.
BUT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR FARMER'S MARKET OR CHRISTMAS MARKET OR FLEXIBLE, UM, TYPES OF MARKETS.
WE HAVE TWO INTERACTIVE WATER FEATURES.
ONE THAT IS WE'RE CALLING THE EMERGENT PLATE FOUNTAIN.
THIS IS ONE WHERE CAN ACTUALLY KINDA WALK THROUGH THIS.
IT'S VERY SHALLOW DEPTH, MAYBE AN INCH OR LESS OF WATER.
AND THEN ONE THAT IS A LIVING RENTAL THAT'S KIND OF A RECREATION OF THE STREAM THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE.
THE LIVING RENTAL IS SOMETHING YOU CAN SIT ON THE SIDE AND PUT YOUR FEET IN.
UM, WE HAVE MULTIPLE AREAS, I THINK FOUR DISTINCT AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SHADE STRUCTURES OR PICNIC PAVILIONS WITH, UM, GRILLS, SEATING, UM, OR FAMILY REUNIONS OR GATHERING OR BARBECUE ON THE WEEKEND.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME PARKING TO THE LEFT THAT'S SURFACE PARKING ALONG EXPOSITION THAT IS FREE AND DEDICATED TO THE PARK AND NOT GOING TO BE USED BY THE, UH, STATE FAIR OF TEXAS.
AND I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT HAD COME UP EARLIER ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PARK AND THE PARKING GARAGE.
SO WE'RE SITTING, UM, YOU KNOW, 20 ACRES ISH, UH, OF OUR PARK HERE.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF LEGO STREET, WHICH IS OFF THE PAGE, IT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT CHART IS ON THE MAP.
THERE'S ALSO THE, UM, FUTURE PARKING STRUCTURE THAT I THINK HAS ALREADY BEEN SEEN BY THIS GROUP, MAYBE LAST YEAR.
SO, UM, AS PART OF THAT PARKING AREA, THERE WILL BE SOME SURFACE PARKING THAT ALSO WILL SERVE THE PARK.
AND THEN ONE LAST THING TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS REALLY HARD TO ILLUSTRATE HERE, I THINK THERE'S A CIVIL DRAWING.
UM, THERE'S APDF AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT YES, THERE'S A ONE PAGE PDFI THINK IT'S SOMEHOW LABELED CIVIL.
BUT ONE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROJECT FOR, FOR, UH, ITEM THAT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE IN THIS PLAN IS THE TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS SITE.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WERE STANDING ON THAT SITE TODAY AND NOT REALLY THINKING ABOUT IT, IT FEELS AS IF IT'S A FLAT SITE.
BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S 20 FEET OF FALL BETWEEN THE NORTHEAST AND THE SOUTHWEST, AND WE HAVE INTENTIONALLY, UM, SCULPTED THE LAND TO HELP BUILD, UM, USE A TOPOGRAPHY TO HELP DEFINE THE SPACES.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO BENJI.
BENJI THEON ARCHITECT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BUILDING COMMUNITY WORKSHOP 72 12 DALEWOOD LANE.
UM, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PARK AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO, UM, FOR WHAT MAYBE THE ARCHITECTURAL DECK WHILE I TALK.
THERE IS A SMALL FAMILY OF BUILDINGS THAT EXIST WITHIN THE PARK.
UM, HERE ON THIS DRAWING, YOU'LL SEE TO THE SOUTHWEST, YOU CAN SEE THREE RED SQUARES.
THERE ARE SMALL BUILDINGS UNDER A LARGE CANOPY ROOF.
IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE, THERE IS AN, WE'LL CALL IT AN UNDERGROUND BUILDING.
AND IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE A DETACHED RESTROOM.
THEY ARE A FAMILY OF VERY QUIET BUILDINGS.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ARE PUTTING STRUCTURES IN A PARK AND AS A DESIGN TEAM AND AS ARCHITECTS, WE ARE ULTIMATELY COMMITTED TO A VERY QUIET IN PLACE ARCHITECTURE THAT SERVES THE PROGRAM OF THE PARK.
BRAD COULDN'T GET THROUGH ALL THE PROGRAM IN SIX MINUTES.
AND THE WHOLE INTENT AROUND THE ARCHITECTURE WAS TO REALLY SERVICE
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THAT PROGRAM, THOSE ACTIVITIES, THE PLAY AREAS, THE LAWNS, ET CETERA.SO IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER THERE, YOU'LL SEE OUR COMMUNITY PAVILION.
IT IS A, UM, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT ROOF WITH THREE SMALL BUILDINGS THAT NEST UNDERNEATH IT.
WE HAVE THAT SIZE ROOF BECAUSE WE'RE PROVIDING THAT MUCH SHADE.
SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR US, WE VIEW OUR BUILDINGS AS TREES AND CLOUDS WITHIN THIS SITE TO SERVICE THOSE ACTIVITIES.
SO THE COMMUNITY PAVILION, WE HAVE A SMALL DETACHED RESTROOM IN THE CENTER BLOCK THERE.
THE TRAPEZOID SHAPE IS A FUTURE KIND OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
SO WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE AMENITIES ON SITE.
AND THEN THE SMALLER BUILDING IS THE PARK MANAGER'S OFFICE, SO FOLKS CAN RUN THE PARK FROM INSIDE THE PARK.
THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
AND I'M HAPPY FOR WHOEVER'S RUNNING THE PRESENTATION TO JUST BE SCROLLING THROUGH THE SLIDES.
UH, THE BUILDING THERE IN THE MIDDLE IS, IS FUTURE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THAT FUTURE PERFORMANCE AREA, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK.
SO THINK GREEN ROOMS, RESTROOMS, SMALL OFFICES.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF PARK INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE ARE AROUND UTILITIES.
WE'RE HIDING ELECTRICALS, KIND OF SERVICING ALL THE SITE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT OF THAT CENTRAL BUILDING.
THAT THING LOOKS LIKE A FUZZY HILL.
IT IS A BERM WITH A LIMESTONE WALL AGAINST IT.
NO NEED FOR IT TO LOOK LIKE A BUILDING.
IT'S IN A PARK, BUT IT'S LOOK LIKE A PARK.
YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE, UH, FLOOR PLAN THERE.
THAT'S JUST A LITTLE DETACHED RESTAURANT.
IT IS, IT IS THE BABY BROTHER OR BABY SISTER OF OUR LARGER COMMUNITY PAVILION.
IT'S A LARGE DETACHED ROOF SITTING OVER TOP OF THESE SMALLER DETACHED RESTROOM.
WE KIND OF SEE THAT AS AN ENTRY POINT TO THE PARK ALONG THE GAL.
SO THE SANTA FE TRAILS GONNA BE COMING DOWN THERE.
WE'VE GOT SMALL LITTLE, UM, PAN WASHING, STATION BOTTLE FILLERS OUT THERE.
KIND OF A PLACE WHERE IF YOU'RE RIDING AROUND OR TAKING A WALK, YOU COULD TAKE A BREAK THERE.
UM, STAND IN THE SHADE, USE THE RESTROOM, GATHER SOME WATER.
BRAD MENTIONED THE SHADE STRUCTURES AND PICNIC PAVILIONS.
WE'D LIKE TO THINK OF THEM AS KIND OF LITTLE ARCHITECTURAL TREES THAT WE'VE DESIGNED.
I THINK THAT'S ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS, ALL OF US SIGNED UP FOR IT.
UM, WHAT QUESTIONS DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE? I HAVE A QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, UM, I, I I'M NOT CLEAR, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE, UM, IS WHO OWNS AND IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THIS PARK? THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, FAIR PARK ASSOCIATION.
SO AS WITH ANYTHING CONSTRUCTED AT FAIR PARK, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ULTIMATELY THE OWNER.
UM, AS THE NONPROFIT MANAGER OF THE PARK, UM, MUCH OF THE MAINTENANCE WOULD FALL TO US AS PART OF AN AGREEMENT YET TO BE DETERMINED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE DO ANTICIPATE MEETING, UH, SUBSTANTIAL PRIVATE FUNDING IN ORDER TO, UH, SUSTAIN THE PROGRAM FOR THIS PART.
'CAUSE IT IS VERY WELL AMENITY AND MUCH LIKE A LOT OF THE OTHER CATALYTIC PROJECTS, UM, THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF ABOUT HOW BEST TO MEET THOSE NEEDS FOR THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S THE PARKS DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BE PROPELLED BY WHOEVER THEY CHOOSE TO FULFILL IT IN THE END.
THAT'S A NICE SHORT WAY TO PUT IT.
PAT, I, I WORKED IN A FACILITY OWNED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT,
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAVE? WHEN WE, UM, LAST DISCUSSED THIS, I THINK IT WAS JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE, UM, MURAL.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES WITH THAT? I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS ACTUALLY A PART OF THE, UM, PER PARKING GARAGE, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE'VE BEEN ANY CHANGES IN THAT AND HOW IT, UM, INTERACTS WITH THE SPACE SINCE THEN.
THE MURAL THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF WAS SPECIFIC TO THE PARKING GARAGE AND THAT WILL MOVE FORWARD ONCE WE CLEAR A COUPLE OF HURDLES.
UM, WE RECENTLY GOT, UH, AN UPDATED FOR, UH, AN UPDATE FOR THE ZONING FOR THAT PROJECT, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT AROSE IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE DESIGN TEAM, WHICH IS GINSLER FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND THEN WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT ONE BACK AROUND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY'S OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE.
IN ESSENCE, THEY'RE GONNA RUN THAT PROCUREMENT AND WE'RE SIMPLY GONNA FUND IT.
UH, IT WOULD WORK, WORK MUCH THE SAME, HOWEVER, FOR ANY PUBLIC ART THAT YOU MIGHT ANTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITY PARK AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, UH, I, I HAVE A DEGREE IN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE.
I THINK THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY PROJECT.
IT'S REALLY WELL DONE AND IT'S GONNA BE AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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THAT SAID, IT REMINDS ME OF CLYDE WARREN AND ALSO MAYBE THE DECK PARK AND I 35.AND I'M WONDERING WHAT MECHANISM YOU MUST BE LOOKING INTO TO KEEP THE PROPERTY VALUES AROUND THE PARK WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN WORK WITH DOW CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT? MY CONCERN IS THIS IS A REVITALIZATION TOOL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT ALSO COULD BE A REASON THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOES AWAY WITH PROPERTY VALUES INCREASING.
IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AT THIS PARK ARE GONNA STAY IN THEIR HOUSES FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS? UH, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE WORKED WITH A NUMBER OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, UH, AS WELL AS DEPARTMENTS FOR THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND STATE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE RISING PRESSURES THAT ARE CREATED FROM ESCALATING, UH, TAX RATES ON HOMES.
BUT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT GENTRIFICATION, BUT VERY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY TYPICALLY ARE CONCERNED WITH IS DISPLACEMENT.
AND THE NUMBER ONE DRIVER FOR THAT IS QUICKLY RISING PROPERTY VALUES.
WE SEE THAT PLAYING OUT, UH, AROUND THE AREA.
AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF STATE INTERVENTIONS THAT WE HAVE SUPPORTED THROUGH ADVOCACY.
UM, 5 0 1 C THREES DON'T LOBBY, BUT ADVOCATING LOOKS A LOT LIKE THAT.
AND WE'RE HEAVILY ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE POLICY MAKING INSTITUTIONS AT THE COUNTY, THE CITY, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE STATE LEVEL ARE ALL DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE CITY IS EXPLORING SOME NOVEL WAYS OF POTENTIALLY UTILIZING, UM, INCREMENTAL TAX RECAPTURE TO BUY DOWN PROPERTY TAX RATES.
THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING IDEA THAT COMES OUT OF ATLANTA.
UH, THERE IS NO MAGIC BULLET FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE VERY, UH, IMMEDIATELY INVOLVED IN AND SOMETHING WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF.
I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER AS THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO REMEMBER ALL OF US DO WHAT WE, WHAT YOU ALL HAVE PURVIEW OVER.
AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION SHOULD BE ABOUT THE DESIGN.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S SUCH A COMPLICATED THING THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD AND NO ONE HAS THE QUESTIONS.
WELL, IF NO ONE HAS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, ANYBODY AT HOME? NOBODY.
OKAY, THEN I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION COMMISSIONER POLICY IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM TWO 1800 EXPOSITION AVENUE CA 2 3 4 0 5 4 RD.
I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WAS SECOND.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, HANDS ON YOUR MICROPHONE.
ANY OPPOSED? THERE YOU HAVE IT.
WE ARE APPROACHING THREE O'CLOCK AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MAY TAKE UP SOME TIME.
SO I PROPOSE WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK FOR THOSE OF US SITTING UP HERE TO GO DO THINGS.
SO WE WILL BE HERE AT THREE O'CLOCK AND THEN WE'LL TAKE UP DISCUSSION.
I HAVE THREE AND AFTER THAT, THE OTHER BUSINESS, IT IS EXACTLY THREE O'CLOCK.
WE'RE BACK IN SESSION HERE AT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
LET US CALL FOR DISCUSSION ITEM THREE.
I'M MARCUS WATSON, REPRESENTING STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE IS 46 19 GASTON AVENUE IN THE PEAKS EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD.
HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE THE MAIN STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY UNDER THE DEMOLITION STANDARD, IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY UNDER THE DEMOLITION STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
RECOMMENDATION IS FOR ITEM ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE THE MAIN STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY UNDER THE DEMOLITION STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR
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SAFETY BE DENIED WITH PREJUDICE.THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD FOR DEMOLITION UNDER CITY CODE 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 H FOUR C, OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE, THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY UNDER THE DEMOLITION STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD FOR DEMOLITION UNDER CITY CODE 51 A DASH 4.501 H FOUR C OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE
THE ORDINANCE WAS PUT IN PLACE TO HONOR AND PROTECT THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
ALLOWING DEMOLITION OF THIS PROPERTY GOES AGAINST THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS SUSTAINED TO FOSTER RESTORATION OF THE HOUSES OF PEAK SUBURBAN ADDITION.
MANY OF THE STRUCTURES WE HAVE TODAY WERE IN WORSE CONDITION THAN THIS.
AND WERE SAVED BY THE GRIT AND DETERMINATION OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO BANDED TOGETHER TO FORM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ANY OF THOSE COULD HAVE BEEN DEEMED UNFIT OR HABITATION, BUT RESTORED AND SAVED.
THIS STRUCTURE IS THE ONLY REMAINING CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW IN GALSTON AVENUE.
GASTON AVENUE IN PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION.
IT IS A TREASURE AND AN ASSET AND IT SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND RESTORED.
ALRIGHT, IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO SPEAK ON THIS.
SO DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? COMMISSIONER HOSA, DID YOU WAVE AT ME? NO.
HOW RUDE YOU SHOULD WAVE AT ME.
ALRIGHT, WELL WE DID DISCUSS THIS SEMINAR IN OUR BRIEFING AND, UM, LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT THE SITUATION AND I THINK EXPRESSING OF OUR THOUGHTS AT THAT TIME.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION I
UM, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE PER STAFF, UM, FOR BOTH PARTS.
OH, WITH PREJUDICE, MY APOLOGIES.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION AND BEFORE THE MOTION THEN, UM, WOULD YOU, UM, JUST REMIND WHY THE, WE RARELY SEE STAFF MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH PREJUDICE AND SO I JUST WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU.
OH, WHY WE, WHY I DID IT IN TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS? YES.
SO FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE, I FEEL LIKE IT, IT, THERE'S NO GOOD REASON TO TO TAKE THAT BUILDING DOWN AT ALL.
UM, I, I PULLED OUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SO THAT IF THEY WANT TO DO A REHABILITATION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME REASON WHY THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE MIGHT HAVE TO GO AWAY.
IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM 3 4 6 1 9 GASTON AVENUE CD 2 3 4 0 0 2 AND WI MOVE TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE REQUEST NUMBER ONE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR REQUEST NUMBER TWO PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND, WAS THAT MR. FOGLEMAN WHO SECOND? YES, IT WAS MR. GAS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE HAVE OUR VOTE.
ALRIGHT THEN I'LL CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
A ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, UM, UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR THIS MOTION.
STAFF OF COURSE NEEDS TO SHARE WITH THE APPLICANT THE USUAL IDEA THAT THEY COULD, COULD APPEAL IF THEY WISH TO, UM, TO CPC.
UM, AND I, UM, AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL ALSO SHARE WITH THEM SOME OF OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REASONS WHY WE, WHY WE DID THIS.
THEY WEREN'T HERE TO, UM, FIGURE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT BRINGS IT TO THE COURTESY
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REVIEW, WHICH WAS TO, UM, DISCUSS THE APPROPRIATENESS OF A BUILDING PROPOSED TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THIS BUILDING.HAD IT COME DOWN, WE PERHAPS DON'T NEED TO DO THAT FULLY IN LIGHT OF THAT MADAM CHAIR.
I WAS GOING TO READ IT TO THE RECORD SO THAT YOU ALL CAN DECIDE WHETHER TO DO IT OR NOT.
SO AGAIN, I'M MARCUS WATSON, REPRESENTING STAFF.
THIS IS COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER 1 46 19 GASTON AVENUE IN PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE REQUEST IS A COURTESY REVIEW FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A FOUR UNIT TOWN HOME STRUCTURE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED.
FUTURE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED WORK IS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL UNDER SEPARATE APPLICATION.
UM, I DO WE NEED TO, UM, DO WE NEED TO VOTE TO NOT DISCUSS IT TODAY
READ IN THE, WE ALMOST FORGOTTEN.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS COURTESY REVIEW NOR FORMAL ACTION TAKEN.
WE DISCUSSED THAT THE APPLICANT, THAT THE TOWN HOME CONCEPT PRESENTED IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF RHYTHM AND SPACE AND IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
WE SUGGESTED THAT THEY RESTORE THE EXISTING HOUSE, MAKE IT A DUPLEX AND CONSTRUCT A CARRIAGE HOUSE IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY TO PUT TWO UNITS INTO THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO ACHIEVE THE DEVELOPMENT GOALS WITHOUT DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY REFERENCE WAS MADE TO CA 1 67 DASH 180 2, WHICH IS APPROVED FOR 4,422 SWISS AVENUE.
THIS DESIGN IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES OF THE ORDINANCE.
WE EDUCATED THE APPLICANT ON THE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THE BRICK COLOR BUFF, NOT WHITE WINDOWS, WOOD ON WOOD AND SIDING, WHICH IS WOOD.
SO IN MY DISCUSSION WITH THERESA, WE FEEL LIKE IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DECIDE NOT TO HEAR IT, THEN IT'S CLEANER AND JUST DECIDE NOT TO HEAR IT IS WHAT HE IS SAYING IN REGARDS TO COURTESY REVIEW.
1 4 6 1 9 GASTON AVENUE C 2 3 4 0 0 2 MW.
I MOVE TO WE JUST ABLE SECOND WE'LL NOT HAVE ANY COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S NO APPLICANT TO RECEIVE THEM.
WE'LL, SECOND, THAT WAS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WHO SECONDED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
OH, I ASSUME THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, AYE AYE.
AND, AND MARCUS OF COURSE CAN SHARE WITH THEM WHAT WE DID SAY ABOUT IT DURING OUR, UM, OUR BRIEFING THAT WE GENERALLY SEEM TO CONCUR WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THOUGHTS THAT WERE EXPRESSED AND, UM, SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO NEXT.
WHAT WE STILL HAVE HERE ARE THE TASK FORCES AND THE FIRST ONE LISTED ON THE AGENDA IS THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE.
SO, UM, KATE SUGGESTS THAT WE HAVE SPEAKERS ALREADY AVAILABLE FOR THE 10TH STREET TASK FORCE.
SO PERHAPS WE SHALL TAKE THAT ONE FIRST.
AND WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT THE 10TH STREET TASK FORCE MAKEUP.
I WANT TO REITERATE ON THE RECORD, ONE OF THEM SENT TO COMMISSIONERS WAS SIGNED EVELYN, NOT ME, SOME OTHER EVELYN
I DID NOT SEND YOU ANY OFFICIAL COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT WHO SHOULD BE ON THE 10TH STREET TASK FORCE.
THAT WAS, WAS A CITIZEN EXPRESSING THEIR, THEIR VIEWS.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT COMMON A NAME, SO I CAN SEE.
SO, UM, MA'AM, ARE YOU HERE TO DISCUSS THE 10TH STREET TASK FORCE ISSUE? PUSH TO TALK.
YES, I AM HERE TO, UH, JUST SHOW SUPPORT.
PARDON ME MA'AM, SHE DISTRACTED ME.
YOU DO NEED TO FILL OUT A YELLOW SHEET APPARENTLY, IF YOU'RE NOT ON OUR LIST, ARE YOU MS. MOSBY? OKAY.
SO I PLEASE YOU HAVE, I'M JUST, GIMME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE AND, UM, PROMISE TO TELL ME THE TRUTH.
TANYA SOLIS MOSBY AND I AM THE PO POLICY ANALYST AND PROJECT MANAGER IN DISTRICT FOUR.
AND MY ADDRESS IS 1215 EXETER AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND I WILL BE TRIPLE I KNOW YOU WILL BE.
GO AHEAD MA'AM AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US.
I'M JUST HERE TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR PATRICIA WILLIAMS AND ALONZO HARRIS AS MEMBERS OF THE, UH, TASK FORCE.
THE, THE, WHAT WAS IT? THE, I WROTE THE NAME THERE.
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UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE BELIEVE IN PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF A COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT FOSTERS CIVIC PRIDE IN THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN, IN OF THE PAST WITHOUT MAKING IT A PLACE WHERE THERE IS NOTHING TANGIBLE TO REPRESENT THAT PAST.UM, I'VE WORKED ON SEVERAL PROJECTS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, UM, WORKING FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS IN, IN DISTRICT FOUR.
AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT I HAVE FOUND THAT THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT IS ESPECIALLY, UM, SPECIAL IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE OF IT BEING A FREEDMAN'S TOWN.
AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO, UM, SUCH AS MS. WILLIAMS AND MR. HARRIS WHO BRING WISDOM AND MATURITY AND THE BUSINESS ACUMEN TO ADVOCATE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND MOST OF ALL WHO WANT THE SAME THING THAT WE DO.
AND THAT IS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE PEOPLE.
AND, UM, PLEASE STICK AROUND IN CASE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND WE ALSO HAVE REGISTERED TO SPEAK DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CAROLYN, KING ARNOLD.
SO YOU DON'T THINK WE HAVE HER AVAILABLE? ALL RIGHT, WELL, RIGHT.
WELL, SHE DID SEND US A LETTER, WHICH EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED ON THE OFFICIAL DALLAS LETTERHEAD WITH THE BLUE D AT THE TOP.
SO YOU CAN RECOMMEND EX EXPRESSING HER, HER SIMILAR THOUGHTS.
AND THAT IS WITHIN HER DISTRICT.
AND SHE HAS BEEN TAKING AN INCREASED INTEREST IN IT LATELY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SO IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THAT NEW DECK PARK GOING IN.
IT'S CERTAINLY EVERYONE'S TAKING INCREASED INTEREST IN IT, INCLUDING DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE WHO MIGHT MOVE IN.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS HERE ON THIS? OKAY.
UM, MR. JOHNSON, DID YOU SIGN? YES.
UM, I'M ON THE TASK FORCE CURRENTLY FOR 10TH STREET WHEATLEY PLACE.
AND SO, UM, I HAVE, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, OR ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ABOUT MY TENURE SO FAR, UM, AS ONE OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
UM, YEAH, AGAIN, BENJI PN ARCHITECT, UM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BUILDING COMMUNITY WORKSHOP.
WE'RE A NON-PROFIT COMMUNITY DESIGN CENTER.
WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPERTY OWNERS IN 10TH STREET AS WELL.
WE'VE BEEN, UM, TRYING TO REHABILITATE A HOME FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF LARRY JOHNSON REMAINING ON THE TASK FORCE IN 10TH STREET.
UH, I FIRST MET LARRY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SECURING OUR OWN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE PROPERTY WE OWN.
AND I HAVE YET TO MEET A MORE PASSIONATE INDIVIDUAL, UM, AROUND PRESERVATION OF HISTORY, KNOWLEDGE OF ARCHITECTURE, AND CARE FOR HIS COMMUNITY.
UH, LARRY TOOK ME TO THE WOOD SHOP ON MY FIRST APPLICATION, UH, TOTALLY, COMPLETELY AND HAD A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THAT.
WE'VE BECOME FRIENDS SINCE WE'VE CONTINUING TO WORK TOGETHER ON 10TH STREET AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHARE MY SUPPORT OF THAT.
SO THERE APPEAR TO BE NO MORE SPEAKERS BECAUSE I'M HAVING TROUBLE FINDING IT IN THE FORM OF A LIST ON MY MATERIALS ON MY COMPUTER.
WOULD STAFF PLEASE TELL ME WHO, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON HERE? OKAY.
BARBARA WHEELER, ALONZO HARRIS, PATRICIA WILLIAMS, SHANIE DIXON, I'M, I EXPLAIN THAT RIGHT.
WE HAVE A VACANT PROFESSIONAL, A VACANT WHEATLEY RESIDENT, AND A VACANT WHEATLEY ALTERNATE.
AND THEN LARRY JOHNSON IS THERE AND GERALD JAR FANCHER.
SO WE'RE NOT FULL UP EXACTLY OR ANYTHING EVEN WITH THIS.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS? UH, YES.
COMMISSIONER, COUNCIL MEMBERS, NONE OF US ARE
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I GUESS MOVING WITH ALL THE LETTERS, I, UH, MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS IF, UM, KNOWING LARRY JOHNSON'S WORK ON THAT TASK FORCE, UM, CAN HE REMAIN AS AN ALTERNATE OR DOES HE HAVE TO REAPPLY NEXT ONE? OR IS IS, IS THIS TENURE AS TASK FORCE AS AN END OR CAN IT CONTINUE? CURRENTLY HE IS AN ALTERNATE, LISTED AS AN ALTERNATE AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING HIM BE AS WE GO FORWARD.AND HOW DO THE, UM, THE DUTIES OR RESPONSIBILITIES ALTERNATES DIFFER FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS? DO THEY STILL VOTE THE SAME OR ARE THEY EVER THERE'S TOO MANY IN THEY'RE ASKED TO LEAVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE HAVEN'T IN THE PAST 'CAUSE WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SHORT
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN FOR MR. JOHNSON.
SO, UM, LARRY, YOU'RE AN ALTERNATE.
YOU DON'T HOLD A, A SPOT LIKE A ONE OF THE APPOINTED SPOTS.
NO, RIGHT NOW, UM, I'M NOT AN ALTERNATE AND PART OF, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY UPSET AND THEY, I I HOPE I'M NOT OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDS HERE, BUT, UM, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE AND THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN DRAWN OUT FOR SO LONG, IS BECAUSE THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE UPSET WITH ME BEING LISTED AS AN ALTERNATE.
UM, AND THEY'RE WANTING ANSWERS.
AND SO, UM, AND, AND EVEN MYSELF, UM, I'M BEGINNING TO, I, I WONDERED WHEN I FIRST READ THE, THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, WHY I'M BEING LISTED AS AN ALTERNATE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DID WRONG, IF MY TENURE IS UP.
UM, BUT, UH, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW THIS CAME TO BE.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ON THE TASK FORCE? I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS, I THINK.
AND HAVE YOU BEEN AN ALTERNATE THAT ENTIRE TIME OR WERE YOU A FULL MEMBER AT ONE POINT? NO, I WAS A FULL MEMBER.
UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, I WAS A FULL MEMBER.
I WAS, I WAS THE ONLY, WELL, NO, I'M SORRY.
UH, THE WHOLE TIME, I BELIEVE.
BUT CURRENTLY YOU'RE BEING, THEY REQUESTING YOU TO BE AN ALTERNATE, IS THAT YES, AND I DON'T, WE NONE OF US KNOW WHY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN SO YOU'VE BEEN TAKEN FROM A FULL MEMBER TO AN ALTERNATE IN THIS SCENARIO? IN THIS SCENARIO, YES SIR.
WELL, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? I DON'T KNOW.
AND THERE'S SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS WE ALL WANNA KNOW THAT THIS DOES STAFF HAVE AN ANSWER AS TO WHY HE WAS CHANGES? OKAY.
THE REQUEST WAS MADE DUE TO THE FACT THAT MR. JOHNSON DOES NOT LIVE IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT.
AND MR. ALONSO LIVES IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT AND OWNS PROPERTIES THERE AS WELL AS MS. HARRIS.
SHE WORKS AND HAS A BUSINESS IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT AND SHE OWNS PROPERTY THERE.
SO IT WAS BASED ON MR. JOHNSON'S ONLY OWNING A VACANT LOT IS WHAT WHY THE REQUEST WAS MADE TO ME IN THAT ORDER.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. JOHNSON, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? UM, SO I HAVE, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY BETWEEN RESIDENCES AND 10 26 BETTERTON CIRCLE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE RESIDENCES THAT I'M BETWEEN, THAT IS MY HOUSE AND, AND, UM, AND THE NEIGHBORS CAN TESTIFY.
SO, UM, AND YES, I DO OWN A VACANT LOT AND LANDIS LANDIS STREET, BUT, UM, 10 26 BETTERTON CIRCLE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR FOR KATE.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT SAYS TASK FORCE MEMBERS, UM, IN ORDER TO HOLD A FULL TASK FORCE POSITION HAVE TO BE RESIDENTS BECAUSE IN WINKA HEIGHTS WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN EITHER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SERVE ON THE PASSPORT.
THE PROFESSIONALS DON'T HAVE TO, AND WHEN THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE THE ARCHITECTS THAT YOU HAVE BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIND AN ARCHITECT FOR THAT LIVES IN EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT.
SO, BUT IT SAYS THE, THE WAY IT, IT SAYS IN READ, THE READ THE CODE MEMBERSHIP OF EACH TASK FORCE IS TO BE COMPOSED OF SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS.
ALL TASK FORCE OTHER THAN THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE AND THE CEMETERIES OPEN SPACE TASK FORCE SHALL CONSIST OF FOUR RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITHIN THE TASK FORCE AREA.
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ONE ARCHITECT AND TWO PROFESSIONALS IN THE FIELD OF HISTORY, ART, ARCHITECTURE, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, URBAN HISTORY, URBAN PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN, HISTORIC REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, REAL ESTATE, APPRAISAL, ARCHEOLOGY, OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.MAY I SAY SOMETHING ELSE, PLEASE? WELL, LET ME JUST MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK.
I MEAN, I'M NOT FULLY AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON PERHAPS POLITICALLY HERE, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT I DON'T SEE ANY POINT IN MOVING SOMEONE WHO'S CHAMPIONED THE DISTRICT AND ATTENDED TASK FORCE PROBABLY BETTER THAN ANY OTHER TASK FORCE MEMBER IN 10TH STREET IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT DISCUSSION.
YEAH, AND MR. JOHNSON IS CONSULTING ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS IN THE AREA.
HE, UH, HAS A, A VERY PUBLIC PRESENTATION TOMORROW, UM, AS A CONSULTANT ON ON ONE AS WELL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE COULDN'T SERVE AS ONE OF THE VACANT PROFESSIONAL SEATS.
IS THERE ANYTHING PREVENTING HIM AND THE OTHER APPLICANTS FROM ALL BEING ON THE TASK FORCE SINCE THEY ALL SERVE IN MULTIPLE CAPACITIES FROM RESIDENTS TO PROFESSIONALS? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, BUT I'M NOT WHO YOU WERE ASKING.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MR. JOHNSON SERVING IN ONE OF THE PROFESSIONAL SPOTS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
MY QUESTION IS ON THE INFORMATION THAT MS. SINGLETON JUST READ, ISN'T IT SAY PROPERTY OWNER? YES, IT DOES.
THE SENTENCE IS FOR RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITHIN THE TASK FORCE AREA, WHICH FOR THIS IS, UH, INCLUDES WHEATLEY TOO.
SO EITHER THIS GENTLEMAN COULD BE A HISTORIAN 'CAUSE HE'S KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE DISTRICT, OR HE COULD BE A PROPERTY OWNER.
WHETHER HE IS CURRENTLY RESIDING IN THE HOUSE OR NOT, IT ALLOWS FOR A PROPERTY OWNER.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I DID.
UM, QUESTION I GUESS FOR THE STAFF, UH, UM, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT, FOR INSTANCE, I, UH, WE KNOW THAT MR. JOHNSON HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY INVOLVED AND HELPED THAT DISTRICT, NOT ONLY 10TH STREET, BUT HAS BEEN INVOLVED THROUGHOUT OUR CITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS SINCE SUPPORTING THE DIFFERENT HISTORIC PRESERVATION ISSUES.
SO WHAT IS THE STEP RIGHT NOW TODAY TO HAVE HIM NOMINATED OR APPOINTED TO THAT TASK FORCE? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, CURRENTLY HE'S LISTED AS ALTERNATE IRA.
THERE IS AN OPEN FOR PROFESSIONAL POSITION AND HE CAN BE MOVED TO PROFESSIONAL TODAY.
CAN CAN I MAKE A MOTION? I, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WOULD, I COULD SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A LOGICAL SHOW OF RESPECT FOR, FOR THE, UM, EFFORTS THAT MR. JOHNSON HAS PUT IN IN 10TH STREET TO, TO MAKE HIM BE A PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF NOT MAKE HIM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE FORCING HIM TO ALLOW HIM TO EXPRESS OUR ADMIRATION FOR HIS WORK BY HAVING HIM SERVE AS A PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE HE HAS DONE SO MUCH WORK, INCLUDING HELPING PEOPLE REPAIR THEIR HOUSES.
SO HE OFTEN KNOWS THE DEEP INSIDES OF SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT MIGHT BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE HE MIGHT HAVE FIXED THE PLUMBING OR THE FOUNDATION ON IT FOR THEM.
I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING BEFORE THE MOTION COMES, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, I FIND THAT THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT IS FRAGILE.
IT HAS BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
IT NEEDS A GOOD, BARE, DELICATE BALANCE.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE IS CHANGE COMING, AND WE ESPECIALLY NEED THE HISTORIANS, WE ESPECIALLY NEED THE ONES WHO SHOW UP AND WHO ADVOCATE AND WHO CHAMPION.
I WANNA MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT'S, UH, FOR THE 10TH STREET TASK FORCE, PATRICIA WILLIAMS, ALONSO HARRIS AND LARRY JOHNSON BE ADDED AS A FULL MEMBER AND NOT A ALTERNATE, UH, TO THE TASK FORCE AS WELL.
AND, AND YOU ALSO ADVOCATE FOR THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WITH CLEAR? YES.
SO YOU'RE ADVOCATING FOR THE PROPOSED SLATE, EXCEPT THAT WE WILL CHANGE THE CLASSIFICATION OF LARRY JOHNSON TO THE PROFESSIONAL.
SECOND, MS. MS. FALLACY MADE IT FIRST TO SECOND BECAUSE SHE'S RIGHT HERE NEXT TO ME.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE
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SAY AYE.ANY OPPOSED TO THIS? MOTION? MOTION? OKAY.
SO GO GET TO WORK, MR. JOHNSON
SO ON THE LAST, UM, TASK FORCE LIST THAT WE HAD AT IDENTIFY, WHO WAS SITTING IN WHICH SEATS, UM, AS THE ALTERNATES AND THIS ONE DOESN'T.
SO THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR A REPRESENTATIVE STATE FAIR.
SO I SEE THAT AS MR. HAYES, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF FRIENDS OF FAIR PARK, MATTHEW WOOD, UM, UH, STAKEHOLDER, ONE OF THE RESIDENT INSTITUTIONS OR A TENANT.
THERE'S TWO LISTED, EXCUSE ME, UH, THREE ARCHITECTS AND TWO PROFESSIONALS.
AND SO THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR THE, THE THREE REPRESENTATIVES, UM, TWO ARCHITECTS, TWO PROFESSIONALS.
AND THEN IT REQUIRES THAT THE ALTERNATES BE PROFESSIONALS OR ARCHITECTS AS WELL.
OH, TAYLOR HAVE TO HAVE THE, UM, I'VE GOT THE RULES.
SHE, SHE WAS THE BIG NOTEBOOK.
UM, OKAY, SO IT SAYS, UM, THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE HAS UNIQUE, UH, HAS UNIQUE CONSTRAINTS AND REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE FAIR PARK IS A SINGLE OWNER OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT IS A NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, AND IT IS, IS A STATE ARCHEOLOGICAL LANDMARK FAIR PARK TASK FORCE SHALL CONSIST OF A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS, A REPRESENTATIVE OF FRIENDS OF FAIR PARK, A REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OTHER STAKEHOLDER OR TENANT OF FAIR PARK, AND FOUR PROFESSIONALS WITH EXPERIENCE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION WHO PRACTICE IN THE FIELDS OF ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ENGINEERING, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, URBAN DESIGN AND PLANNING, UM, ARCHEOLOGY OR HISTORIC REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS.
AT LEAST TWO MUST HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL OR ENGINEERING TRAINING, AND AT LEAST TWO MUST HAVE DEMONSTRATED ACTIVE PROFESSION, PROFESSIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXPERTISE.
ONE PROFESSIONAL MAY SATISFY MORE THAN ONE OF THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED ME TO READ ANY OF THAT AGAIN.
AM I CORRECT IN, IN SEEING THAT WE HAVE LISTED FOUR REPRESENTATIVES OF STAKEHOLDERS IN IT, LISTED THREE REPRESENTATIVELY, COULD THE STAFF OR SOMEONE READ THE POSITIONS AND WHAT SPOT THEY FILL? THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
WE HAVE A LITTLE LIST OF THAT IN OUR PACKET.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, STATE FAIR, JASON HAYES.
UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OTHER STAKEHOLDER OR TENANT OF FAIR PARK, DEANNE HIRSCH, REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OTHER STAKEHOLDER OF TENANT OF, UH, FAIR PARK.
BRIAN, LOU ELLEN, REPRESENTATIVE OF FRIENDS OF FAIR PARK, MATTHEW WOOD ARCHITECT, NANCY MCCOY, ARCHITECT DAVID CHASE, ARCHITECT GARY SCOTT, NICKY PROFESSIONAL.
UH, AS I ASK, DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE FOUR REPRESENTATIVES OF TENANTS WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THREE.
AND DOES IT MATTER IF WE HAVE MORE THAN IT SAYS AS LONG AS WE HAVE AS AT LEAST THREE.
THERE WAS A TENANT OR WAS IT MS. HIRSH, WAS THAT THE SECOND ONE? AND WHO DID SHE REPRESENT AND WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT SHE'S REPRESENTING? UM, SHE'S THE OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR FAIR PARK.
I THINK HER CO CORPORATION IS SPECTRA.
SO SHE WORKS FOR SPECTRUM? YES, SHE WORKS FOR SPECTRUM.
BUT IS SPECTRUM ALSO RELATED SOMEHOW TO FRIENDS OF, OR I MEAN, FAIR PARK FIRST? ARE THEY THE SAME OR DIFFERENT? THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
SO BRIAN LEWELLEN IS THE HEAD OF FAIR PARK FIRST, AND THEN DEE HIRSCH IS WITH SPECTRA.
BUT HOW IS SPECTRA AND FAIR PARK FIRST? ARE THEY I THOUGHT THEY WERE RELATED SOMEHOW THEY WORK TOGETHER, BUT THEY, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME ORGANIZATION.
FAIR PARK FIRST IS THE NONPROFIT MANAGEMENT THAT THE CITY HIRED OPERATIONS
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MANAGEMENT.YEAH, THEY DO THE OPERATIONS MANAGEMENT ON THE DAY TO DAY.
SO AS I WAS ASKING, IT'S FOUR TOO MANY OR IS IT OKAY THAT WE HAVE FOUR? HANG ON, I WANNA GET THIS.
IS FOUR TOO MANY OR IS IT JUST WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE OF THEM BE A REPRESENTATIVE OF A TENANT? IT SAYS FAIRPORT TASK FORCE SHALL CONSIST OF A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STATE FAIR, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, LU, NO, JASON HAYES.
UM, A REPRESENTATIVE FRIENDS OF FAIR PARK WHO WOULD BE MATT WOOD.
AND THEN IT SAYS A REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OTHER STAKEHOLDER OR TENANT OF FAIR PARK, WHICH COULD BE, UM, DEANNE HIRSCH OR BRIAN LUELLEN.
ALTHOUGH MY IMPRESSION IS THAT FAIR PARK FIRST HAS KIND OF TAKEN OVER WHERE FRIENDS OF FAIR PARK LEFT OFF.
AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR PROFESSIONALS OF WHICH, UM, OF WHICH, UH, OF THE, AT LEAST TWO MUST HAVE ARCHITECTURAL OR ENGINEERING TRAINING AND TWO MUST BE DEMONSTRATED, UH, DEMONSTRATED ACTIVE PROFESSIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXPERTISE.
AND SO I WOULD SAY NANCY MCCOY AND EITHER DAVID CHASE OR GARY SCOTT NICKY, BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH ARCHITECTS AND GARY WORKED FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AT ONE POINT IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE ANN PIPER AND JULIA.
SO I THINK THAT WE FILLED ALL THE SPACES.
BUT, UM, THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION THOUGH.
MY QUESTION WAS FOR AN IDENTIFICATION OF THE ALTERNATES OF YEAH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT PART YET.
DO WE, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DEANNE HIRSCH AND BRIAN LEWELLEN OR IS THE READING YOU JUST GAVE? WE ONLY HAVE ONE OF THEM.
AND IF WE ONLY HAD ONE OF THEM, THEN WHO ELSE WOULD BE THERE? ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL OR ARE WE EXCEEDING THE AMOUNT OR 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
SO WE, SO I THINK BECAUSE THE MEMBERSHIP, THE BASIC MEMBERSHIP FOR THE TASK FORCE IS, IS COMPOSED OF SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS.
NOW, ALL I CAN SAY IS WHEN I FIRST STARTED WORKING WITH THE TASK FORCE, THERE WERE 10.
AND THEN WHEN IT WAS TIME TO RE-ENROLL NINE RE-ENROLLED.
SO WHO ARE THE SEVEN REGULAR MEMBERS AND WHO ARE THE TWO ALTERNATES IN THIS LIST? HOLD ON.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT ALTERNATES IN 10TH STREET WHO ARE DESIGNATED AS ALTERNATES.
SO, OH, I KNOW THERESA, WHY DON'T YOU COME AND SAY THAT? OKAY.
IT SAYS, UM, WHAT, WHAT KATE SAID SEVEN MEMBERS AND SHE READ THOSE.
AND THEN IT SAYS, TWO ALTERNATE MEMBERS MAY BE APPOINTED OF THE ALTERNATE MEMBERS APPOINTED TO SERVE ON THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE.
ONE MUST BE A REPRESENTATIVE OF A STAKEHOLDER AS DESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION F ONE B, AND ONE MUST BE A PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ONE OF THE FIELDS LISTED.
SO THESE, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE STAKEHOLDERS ARE THESE, ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS NEEDS TO BE AN ALTERNATE AND ONE OF THE PROFESSIONALS NEED TO BE AN ALTERNATE WHO IS PROPOSED BY STAFF FOR THIS D COULD POSSIBLY BE AN ALTERNATE BECAUSE WE SAT DOWN AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTS OF FAIR PARK WITH RESPECT TO THE PROFESSIONALS, I WOULD SAY JULIA REPPORT.
SO THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M PROPOSING.
UH, DOES THAT MEAN THAT ONLY SEVEN CAN VOTE AND LIKE THE LANDMARK, WHICH THE ALTERNATES VOTE WHEN THERE IS A, A NEED, CORRECT? YES.
SO WE HAVE SEVEN VOTING MEMBERS.
THE TWO ALTERNATES VOTE IF THERE'S A ABSENCE FROM THE MEETING, YES.
BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH PEOPLE SHOWING UP FOR THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE MEETING.
SO IF WE ONLY REQUIRE THE ORIGINAL SEVEN, WHICH SEEMS TO BE WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES, AND THEN ANY OF THE ALTERNATES COME, THAT HELPS FILL IT OUT IF SOME PEOPLE DON'T COME.
I ALSO HAVE, HAVE BEEN ALERTED BY, BY MY ASSOCIATE MISS BEY, UH, ABOUT INTEREST, AND WE CAN'T DO THIS TODAY, BUT WOULD WE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ALTERING THAT REQUIREMENT SO THAT WE COULD INCLUDE A NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE? WE HEARD TODAY ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF INCLUDING THE VOICE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS BEEN OVERLOOKED IN THE PAST AND WHAT WE LIKE TO LOOK INTO REQUESTING OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I GUESS THE RIGHT TO AMEND
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THIS AND INCLUDE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENT IN THE FUTURE.UM, AND I ACTUALLY HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH TREADWELL LIVINGSTON, WHO IS UNFORTUNATELY ISN'T HERE TODAY, UH, ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE IS THE COMMISSIONER FOR FAIR, UH, WHO HAS FAIR PARK IN HIS AREA.
AND HE WAS VERY INTERESTED AND, UM, AND HOPE AND HOPEFUL THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT PUT ON THE DECEMBER AGENDA TO REVISIT THE MEMBERSHIP BECAUSE OBVI AND I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION WITH BRIAN LUELLE AND BRIEFLY THAT EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT FRIENDS OF FAIR PARK REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH OF AN ENTITY ANYMORE AND THAT IT'S BEEN SHIFTED OVER TO, UH, FAIR PARK FIRST.
AND SO, UM, TRANSWELL LIVINGSTON, UH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON WAS INTERESTED IN THE POSSIBILITY OF INCLUDING, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PERSON AND OR NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AND THEN THE, THE REDO OF THE LANGUAGE DEFINING, UM, THE ENTITY SUCH AS FAIR PARK FIRST.
SO HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN THAT ALSO.
AND SO MY SUGGESTION HAD BEEN TO PUT THAT, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S, IT'S A CHANGE TO THE RULES AND PROCEDURES, THAT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING GOOD TO PUT ON THE DECEMBER AGENDA, HAVE YOU ALL THINK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT, COME UP WITH AN IDEA FOR WHO THE MEMBERS SHOULD BE AND THEN MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, PASS THAT ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THE ANY AMENDMENTS TO YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DID I MAKE SENSE THERE? YEAH.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE NOT VOTE ON THIS TASK FORCE TODAY? NO, I THINK YOU CAN WE PUT IT OFF TILL DECEMBER? I THINK YOU CAN BECAUSE, UH, AS STATES GO RIGHT NOW, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT PROBABLY NOTHING'S GONNA GO TO CITY COUNCIL UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR UNLESS IT'S KIND OF AS ONE MIGHT SAY AN EXTREME EMERGENCY.
SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EARLY SPRING.
SO IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE A FUNCTIONING TASK FORCE AND DEFINE WHO THE ALTERNATES ARE AND THEN COME BACK AND MAYBE WORK WITH THE TASK FORCE TOO AND ASK THEIR IDEAS ON WHO THEY THINK WOULD BE GOOD MEMBERS.
COMMISSIONER BE, YES, I SPEAKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UM, WHAT I WAS TOLD IS THAT IT FUNCTIONS THE SAME WAY AS IT DOES AS APPOINTMENTS FOR VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND THAT IF THEY'RE NOT REAPPOINTED BECAUSE NOBODY IS APPOINTED IN THEIR PLACE, THEY CONTINUE TO, UM, MEET AND CONFER AS A GROUP, UM, CONTINUE TO LOOK OVER MATTERS, TAKE VOTES, ET CETERA, THAT IT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THEIR ABILITY TO, UM, CONTINUE TO ACT MOVING FORWARD.
SO I I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT WE HAVE TO APPOINT THEM.
I THINK IT CAN STAY, UM, AS IT IS, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ABILITY OR THE SPEED WITH WHICH THEY CAN BRING MATTERS BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
UM, WHILE WE LOOK INTO THIS, UH, ADDITIONALLY, I ALSO, UM, I HAD MENTIONED WHEN I, UH, MOTIONS TO UH, OR MOVE TO, UH, TABLE THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, UH, WITH ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCIL, THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, AND THAT SORT OF A THING.
UM, AND SO DID MEET WITH MY APPOINTING COUNCIL MEMBER AND A COMMENT, UM, AS A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS THE NEED TO REEVALUATE NOW THAT THE, UH, PARK IS MANAGED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
I MEAN, THE TASK FORCE AND THE UTILIZATION OF THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES AND STAKEHOLDERS WAS TO ACT AS A CHECK ON THE CITY OUT OF THE BELIEF THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THE RESOURCES ON THE CAMPUS.
AND SO ONE OF HIS COMMENTS WAS, UH, UNCERTAINTY OVER WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY'S REVISED ETHICS POLICY WOULD EVEN BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH CONTINUING TO HAVE THEM.
IF WE'LL LOOK BACK OVER AT MOST OF THE, UM, VOTES THAT WE'VE TAKEN, UH, BRIAN VERY OFTEN RECUSES AND, AND DOES NOT VOTE HIMSELF.
I THINK, UM, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH DEE AS WELL, BUT I WOULD NEED TO ACTUALLY LOOK BACK AT THOSE SPECIFICALLY.
AND THAT WAS COMMENTS THAT I SENT OUT, UM, TO THE OFFICE OF THE SORT PRESERVATION OCTOBER 20TH.
SO I, I THINK, UM, IT, I I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RUSH TO, TO READ A POINT.
I THINK WE COULD GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND EVALUATE.
UM, I'M ALSO FINE BEING IN THE MINORITY ON THAT VOTE TOO.
JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO LIST MY CONCERNS PUBLICLY.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS A, A STRONG OPINION, UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER SP OR IN OPPOSITION TO IT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE GOT TO GO AHEAD AND POINT THESE PEOPLE TODAY? THE WAY WE'VE DISCUSSED, I'M NEUTRAL
I THINK IF WE HAVE GOOD STRONG PEOPLE WHO SERVE ON TASK FORCE AND THEY WANT TO REMAIN ON TASK FORCE, IT SHOWS RESPECT TO GO AHEAD AND REAPPOINT THEM.
UNLESS FOR SOME REASON WE THINK THERE SHOULD BE PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY SERVE WHO DON'T NEED TO BE REAPPOINTED.
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PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S RATHER INSULTING THE TABLE.I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND THEN FINE TUNE UM, WHO WE SEE SERVING IN WHAT ROLES, UM, STARTING IN, IN DECEMBER.
AND IF WE WERE GOING TO CONSIDER AS I THINK SOME OF US THINK WE SHOULD, ADDING A COMMUNITY MEMBER, WE COULD ADD THEM TO THE EXISTING DEFINED POSITIONS.
SO THAT MAKES IT AN EVEN NUMBER AND WE KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN THEN IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE, IT MAY BE DUE TO THAT.
PERHAPS ON OCCASION WE DON'T HAVE AS FULL A HOUSE THERE AS WE DO TO HAVE A, A GOOD STRONG REPRESENTATIVE BALANCE.
AND SO, UH, IT MAKES SENSE TO ADD TO IT IN MY OPINION, AND TO REAPPOINT THESE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY'VE GOT OUR SUPPORT, WE APPRECIATE THEIR SERVICE, WE WANT THEM TO CONTINUE AND WE ARE LOOKING INTO HOW TO MAYBE MAKE THEIR TASK EASIER.
HOPEFULLY THE CURRENT MEMBERS WOULD WELCOME TO BE JOINED BY A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENT OR BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVE.
I'M SURE THEY WOULD SEE THAT AS A VALUABLE CONTRIBUTION.
ALRIGHT, WHO'S GONNA MAKE A MOTION? WHOEVER ELSE FIRST GETS IT BECAUSE I'LL RUSH IT ONCE MAKE I HAVE JUST ONE.
I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FAIR, FAIR PARK FIRST AND SPECTRA AND I I IF THEY ARE PSEUDO THE SAME GROUP OR NOT.
IS SPECTRA A SUBCONTRACTOR TO FAIR PARK FIRST? IS THAT THE COMMISSIONER SPEY SAYS YES, THAT IS THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP.
SO MY CONCERN IS IF THEY ARE KIND OF THE SAME, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE ONE REPRESENTATIVE, NOT TWO.
THAT'S JUST MY, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO, WELL, THERE'S TWO DEANNE IS SPECTRA AND RYAN IS, AND IT MAY BE PERFECTLY FINE, BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO BE COMFORTABLE.
WELL, THE, THE SUGGESTION THAT WE WOULD MAKE DEANNE AN ALTERNATE KIND OF RIGHT, FULFILL SET, THEN THERE'S ONLY ONE PERMANENT ONE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ORGANIZER, RESIDENT GROUP
I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION IF SOMEBODY, SOMETHING I CAN READ BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT IT PULLED UP TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, THERE IS LIST IN YOUR PACKET OF WHO THEY ALL ARE AND YOU COULD, WHICH OH NO AND ONLINE IN THAT FOLDER FOR TASKS FAIR PARK BECAUSE HONESTLY THERE'S ROOM FOR THOSE AT HOME WHO MIGHT LIKE TO MAKE MOTIONS ON OCCASION.
SO WE, THOSE OF US PRESENT DON'T HAVE TO COMMAND EVERY MOTION.
UM, AND FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF THIS IS INCORRECT, BUT UM, I MOVED TO, UM, REAPPOINT, JASON HAYES, DEANNE HIRSCH, BRIAN LEWELLEN, MATTHEW WOOD, NANCY MCCOY, DAVID CHASE, GARY SCOTT, NICKY AND PIPER JULIA HOR TO THE COMMISSION ALONG WITH UM, TASK FORCE.
WAIT A MINUTE TO THE TASK FORCE.
BUT I MEANT TO SAY, UM, HOWEVER, ASSIGNING JULIA REFOR AND ANN HIRSCH, UH, THE ROLES OF ALTERNATE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE NOW HAVE SEVEN AND TWO ALTERNATES, WHICH, WHICH GOES WITH WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.
WHO WAS THE SECOND COMMISSIONER? CUMMINS WAS THE SECOND.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? COMMISSIONER EY IS OPPOSED.
SO THE MOTION HAS CARRIED BY MAJORITY VOTE AND WE WILL ASK STAFF TO FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION ABOUT CHANGING THE MAKEUP OF THIS TO INCLUDE A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENT.
AND STAFF WILL FIGURE OUT THAT AND TELL US
UM, AND PERHAPS COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON WOULD WANT TO BE THE ONE WHO REQUESTS TO PLACE THAT UPON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT IS IN HIS DISTRICT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF? IT APPEARS NOT, THEREFORE IT IS 3 46 AND I SAY THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED.