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[Community Police Oversight Board on November 7, 2023.]
EVERYONE.WE HAVE A QUORUM OF, OF THE CPOB.
TODAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH.
THE TIME IS 5:49 PM I AM SORRY.
AND I, AND I CALLED THE MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD TO ORDER.
ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A REAL QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT HERE.
UH, VETERAN'S DAY IS THIS COMING WEEKEND.
UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, THE STAFF, AND OUR BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE SERVED.
AND THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING YOUR SERVICE BY SERVING ON THIS BOARD.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE, UM, AN ANNOUNCEMENT THEY NEED TO MAKE FOR THEIR DISTRICT? THEY'RE WORKING ON THE, UH, INTERPRETER CHANNEL.
THE INTERPRETER CAN BE ON STANDBY, IF THAT WOULD HELP.
TONIGHT WE HAVE, UH, ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER.
UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERY ONE OF OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES SPEAKERS WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
I WILL NOTIFY YOU WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, AND WHEN I DO SO, PLEASE STOP SPEAKING SPEAKERS.
PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS A BOARD MEMBER BY NAME, ADDRESS HER COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR.
ONLY PUBLIC SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULE, PROPRIETY DECORUM, AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.
ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL IMP PERTINENT PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR BECOME BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE BOARD WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM.
FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE PARTICIPATING, VIRTUALLY WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SET.
IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THESE RULES, IF THERE ARE ANY REMAINING SPEAKERS ONLINE OR THOSE THAT WALK INTO THE MEETING LATE, WE, THEY BE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AT THE END OF THIS MEETING.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL UP MR. MICHAEL.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF DALLAS POLICE ASSOCIATION.
I HAVE A BUSINESS AT 1412 GRIFFIN STREET, EAST, DALLAS, TEXAS, SEVEN FIVE, UH, 7 5 2 1 2 7 BY 2 1 5.
UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK MOSTLY BECAUSE OF SOME INFORMATION THAT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION AND THAT OBVIOUSLY AS I WALK INTO THIS ROOM, IT IS VALIDATED.
I WAS IN THE, UH, BEGINNING PROCESSES WHEN THIS BOARD WAS BEING PRESENTED, WAS BEING, UH, PUT TOGETHER.
WE HAD DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF MEETING.
MANY OF THE OTHER ASSOCIATION GROUPS CHOSE NOT TO BE A PART OF IT.
I CHOSE TO BE A PART OF IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN TRANSPARENCY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY FOR THE ASSOCIATION TO HAVE CREDIBILITY WITH THE CITIZENS, THAT US AS POLICE OFFICERS, WE PROTECT.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT, AGREEMENT.
THE NUMBER ONE THING WAS NOT THE LEGITIMACY OF THIS COMMITTEE, THAT IT WAS FAIR AND UNBIASED, NOT JUST IN PRESENCE, BUT IN VERBIAGE AND WHATEVER THEY DO THROUGHOUT THEIR PROCESS.
IN THE LAST YEARS I'VE COME TO MANY MEETINGS, I HAVE OFFERED TO HAVE COFFEE WITH ANYBODY ON THE BOARD TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT NEED, NEED CLARIFICATION, THINGS THAT I COULD HELP WITH AND COMMUNICATION TO THE MEMBERS OR TO THE COMMAND STAFF OR ANYTHING.
I'VE NEVER BEEN TAKEN UP, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I MADE SURE I CAME TO MOST OF THOSE MEETINGS BEFORE AND AFTER COVID.
I'VE WATCHED ON, OR LIKE MOST EVERYBODY ELSE, I FELT COMPELLED TO COME TODAY BECAUSE AS THIS MEETING MEETS IS IN VIOLATION OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE MADE THAT AGREEMENT.
AND AS I READ, PERSONS WHO ARE EMPLOYEES
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FROM BUSINESS, A PERSONS WHO ARE EMPLOYEES OR BUSINESS ASSOCIATES OF EITHER AN ADVERSARY PARTY OR A REPRESENTATIVE OF AN ADVERSARY PARTY, OR PERSONS WHO HAVE PRECAUTIONARY INTEREST IN ANY PENDING LITIGATION OR CLAIMS AGAINST THE CITY RELATING TO THE BOARD OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OR AGAINST ANY INDIVIDUAL OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UNLESS RELATED INDIVIDUALS OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT.SO IN OTHER WORDS, NOBODY SHOULD BE ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT HAS HAD ANY ANTI DEPARTMENT OR CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE ARE TRYING TO GET MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION TO BELIEVE WHEN THEY STEP IN HERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET A FAIR SHAKE.
HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT WHEN SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO, WHO I'M FACING WITH RIGHT NOW HAVE BEEN A PART OF ORGANIZATION THAT HAVE SPOKE HARSHLY, THAT HAVE SAID THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE, HAS BEEN NECESSARILY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MEMBERS OF OUR ASSOCIATION? IT VIOLATES THE AGREEMENT THAT WE MADE.
AND I WANNA BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF EVERY PERSON ON HERE, EVERY PERSON WATCHING.
AND I WILL BE HAVING PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO APPOINTED THESE IN INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY THAT THEY VIOLATED THE AGREEMENT THAT WE MADE TOGETHER THE CITY AND THE MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPART.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UM, I THINK SHE SAID THAT SHE WOULD BE ON STANDBY TOO IF YOU ASK HER TO.
UH, JODY, CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU GO ON STANDBY PLEASE? I WILL UNMUTE MYSELF TO SAY ABSOLUTELY.
I'LL BE HERE IF YOU NEED ANYTHING AT ALL.
SO FROM THE OCTOBER UH, MINUTES, UH, THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN ERROR IN THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER BOARD MEETING.
UH, SPECIFICALLY MEMORANDUM ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE MINUTES, REFER TO THE VICE CHAIR AGREEING TO THE CONTENTS OF THE MEMORANDUM.
UM, AFTER REVIEWING EMAILS, FOLLOWING THE MEETING, THE VICE CHAIR, IN FACT, DID NOT AGREE TO THE PROPOSED TRAINING IDENTIFIED IN THE MEMORANDUM.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE THAT RECORD TO REFLECT THIS ADMIN ERROR.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL, UH, CHANGES, I BELIEVE YES, MS. CHANDLER WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE CORRECTIONS, THERE ARE CORRECTIONS TO THIS MEETING'S, UM, OCTOBER MINUTES, UM, IN ATTENDANCE AND JOSE REVIS, UH, SECOND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THAT, UM, OCTOBER MEETING.
SO THOSE ARE CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE RECORD.
CHAIRMAN, CAN I GET A SIR? UH, ALSO, I THINK, UH, UNDER, ON THE MINUTES, UNDER THE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT, RIGHT? AND THE BOARD MEMBER'S ABSENT, UH, THOSE BEING ADDRESSED.
UM, OR WE SPOKE ABOUT THE, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT AND THE ABSENTEES.
UM, THE ABSENTEES WERE DISTRICT ONE.
UM, DISTRICT THREE WAS NOT APPOINTED YET.
UM, DISTRICT FIVE SHOULD BE MARKED AS PRESENT.
AND THEN FOR, UH, MEMBERS WHO WERE ABSENT, UM, REMOVE, UH, THE DISTRICT FIVE ABSENCE, UH, REMOVE DISTRICT NINE SINCE DISTRICT NINE WAS NOT APPOINTED.
UM, ALAN MARSHALL, UH, WAS ABSENT, AND MS. STEINFELD WAS ABSENT, WAS ABSENT WHAT? AND DAVID KITNER WAS ABSENT.
SO IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER CHANGES, CAN, UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO LAUREN GILBERT SMITH? AMEND THE MINUTES.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
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I MOVE THAT THE, UH, MINUTES ARE ACCEPTED WITH THE CHANGES STATED.CAN I GET A SECOND? DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13 SECOND.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME NEW MEMBERS, UM, SOME NEW EMPLOYEES OF THE O CPO'S OFFICE, AND TO HELP THEM WITH, UM, THE, THE MINUTES AND THE RECORDING.
IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE A MOTION, IF YOU SECOND A MOTION, WHEN YOU, UH, WHEN WE DO OUR ROLL CALL, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE USE YOUR NAME AND WHAT DISTRICT YOU'RE REPRESENTING, UM, THAT WAY WE MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE, UH, WE HAVE THE CORRECT INFORMATION FOR THEM MOVING FORWARD.
WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME MAJOR TRANSITIONS IN, IN THE OCPO, UH, THAT WERE UNEXPECTED.
WE'VE ALSO HAD SOME, MA'AM, OH, SORRY,
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A FIRST AND A SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THE MEMORANDUM OF THE, THE MINUTES? NONE.
LET'S TAKE A VOTE FOR, UH, FOR THE MINUTES, PLEASE.
IT'S, UH, THEN FIRST SECONDED.
AND THERE ANY, THERE WAS, THERE WERE, THERE WERE NO, WERE THERE ANY NAYS? SHE DIDN'T AGREE.
RIGHT? SO, WERE THERE ANY NAYS? ANYONE, ANYONE THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH? UH, AMENDING THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, THE BOARD UPDATES.
AGAIN, WE ARE, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME MAJOR CHANGES, UM, NOT ONLY IN THE OCPO, BUT ON OUR BOARD.
WE HAVE FOUR BRAND NEW, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THEM, UM, UH, FROM DISTRICT THREE, MR. WALTER HIGGINS, UM, DISTRICT EIGHT, CHAUNCEY LANDERS, JUDGE LANDERS, AND DISTRICT NINE.
AND COULD YOU MAKE THAT C VICTOR LANDER? C VICTOR? YEAH.
JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER ONLY USE CHAUNCEY WITH HIS, UH, SOCIAL SECURITY.
SO, UH, JUDGE LANDERS IS JOINING US TONIGHT AND, UH, DISTRICT NINE, MS. ALLISON GRANTER.
UM, THE, THE NEW FOR, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ALSO NEW TO THE BOARD, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A NEW, UH, OSO, PO UH, JAMES, DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF REAL QUICK FOR THE NEW MEMBERS? YES.
I AM THE COMPLAINTS INTAKE SPECIALIST FOR OCPO.
AND DOES EVERYONE KNOW KEVIN, MR. KEVIN WILLIAMS, ALL THE, UH, NEW BOARD MEMBERS.
AND MS. CHANDLER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TOO.
MY NAME IS ELAINE ELAINE CHANDLER.
I AM THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF OCP OS.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING TO KNOW YOU ALL BETTER HONOR.
LAST VICE CHAIRMAN? YES, MA'AM.
I AM NOT, UH, ABLE TO SEE THE VIDEO OF EACH SPEAKER.
YOU CAN'T, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO SEE THEM IN THE PAST? YES, WHENEVER THEY WOULD SPEAK IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD, YES.
LIKE I SEE KEVIN RIGHT NOW, KEVIN'S GOT HIS VIDEO ON, BUT I, OTHERS PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE VIDEO ON.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE ONLINE YOURSELF AND MS. STEIN FIELD.
THE REST ARE PRESENT IN THE ROOM.
SO EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN SPEAKING IS PRESENT IN THE ROOM? CORRECT.
OUR NEXT, UH, OUR NEXT ACTION ITEM IS, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE DONNELL LANE INVESTIGATION BY DPD MS. CHANDLER? YES.
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LANE INVESTIGATION IS BEING DRAFTED AND IS CURRENTLY, UM, OH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE WRONG ONE.THE DONNELL LANE INVESTIGATION IS IN DRAFT MODE AND IS IN MY, UM, RECEIPT.
AND I HAVE REVIEWED MOST OF THE INVESTIGATION, AND I PLAN TO HAVE IT COMPLETELY REVIEWED BY, UM, THE END OF THIS WEEK AND REPORT BACK TO IAD WHAT MY FINDINGS ARE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM, FROM THE BOARD? Y YES.
THIS IS DAVID KIER, DISTRICT 13.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF I'M, UM, PLOWING GROUND PREVIOUSLY GONE OVER, BUT, UM, HAS INTERNAL AFFAIRS ISSUED ITS REPORT? INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS A DRAFT INVESTIGATION COMPLETED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YES.
ARE YOU, WHEN YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE INVESTIGATION REPORT, YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, YOU'RE GOING OVER WHAT THEY HAVE FURNISHED TO YOU? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE DYNELL LANE INVESTIGATION? THIS ALLISON GRINDER, ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE? YES, MA'AM.
CAN WE GET JUST A THUMBNAIL SKETCH OF WHAT THE COMPLAINT IS ABOUT? UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE IAD ON LINE AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO COMMENT.
BECAUSE IT'S AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REPORT OUT TO THE BOARD.
FOR, FOR, FOR, UM, I WANT TO, I WANNA BE ABLE TO, MS. ALLEN.
DO YOU GO BY MS. GRANTOR, ALLEN OR GRANTER? DO YOU PREFER? I GENERALLY PREFER GRANTER.
SO, FOR MS. GRANTOR'S, UM, BENEFIT AND ANY NEW MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, UM, DONELLE LANE WAS THE YOUNG MAN, A VETERAN, UM, WHO WAS IN, UM, DEEP EL AND HAD A, A MEDICAL CARD THAT HE TRIED TO SHOW, UM, OUT, UM, PRIVATE, UH, OFFICERS WHO WERE WORKING PRIVATE SECURITY FOR A LOCAL BUSINESS.
UM, HE WAS REFUSED AND HE ENDED UP, UH, HE ENDED UP, UH, SOILING HIMSELF.
UM, WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WITH THAT WAS, UM, LATER ON THERE WAS SOME, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA THAT WAS, THAT CAME OUT.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.
DPD RIGHT NOW IS DOING THEIR INVESTIGATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN? YES.
UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING LAST MONTH THAT, UM, MAJOR ALANISE TOLD US SHE HAD A DEDICATED OFFICER ON THIS INVESTIGATION AND THAT WE WOULD GET A UPDATE THIS MONTH.
SO WHAT HAS BEEN THE DELAY? MAJOR ALANISE, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR, UH, BOARD MEMBER WADSWORTH? ABSOLUTELY.
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE MY VIDEO GOING.
SO THE UPDATE IS THAT WE ARE STILL INVESTIGATING IT.
A DRAFT COPY HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IT'S BEING RECORDED.
WE'RE UNABLE TO SEE YOU ON VIDEO STILL.
SO AGAIN, THE UPDATE IS THAT IT'S IN THE REVIEW PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
A DRAFT VERSION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
VICE CHAIRMAN, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING LAST MONTH.
I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING THE DELAY.
WELL, AS MS. MAJOR, AS MAJOR ALANIS STATED, THEY'RE STILL NOT DONE WITH THEIR DRAFT OF THE INVESTIGATION.
IT, SO IT'S NOT READY FOR RELEASE YET.
SO WE'RE ON, WE'RE ON HOLD UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO RELEASE MAJOR ALANIS.
DO YOU THINK THERE MAY BE, UH, AN UPDATE TO THAT BY THE NEXT BOARD MEETING? YES.
UH, ARE, ARE WE WAITING ON THE, THE OFFICE? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU, THEY SENT THE DOCUMENT TO THE OFFICE AND I KNOW IT TAKES TIME TO REVIEW.
IS ARE INTERNAL AFFAIRS WAITING ON THE OFFICE OCCLUDES OVERSIGHT, OR ARE THEY JUST NOT DONE YET WITH THE INVESTIGATION? I RECEIVED THE DRAFT COPY OF THE INVESTIGATION ON THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK.
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IT OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS, AND I DO EXPECT TO HAVE IT FULLY REVIEWED BY TOMORROW AND HAVE COMMENTS BACK TO IAD BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.AND BEFORE IT, IT BECOMES ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IN THE, THE BOARD, YOU, YOU SEND YOUR THOUGHTS BACK TO IAD AND DID THEY SEND ANOTHER DRAFT BACK TO YOU, OR IS, IS YOUR COMMENTS ENOUGH FOR IT TO BE A FINAL DRAFT TO BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD? SO IF I HAVE COMMENTS, UM, BACK TO IAD OR CONCERNS WITH THEIR, UH, FINDINGS OR ANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, THEN I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO RESOLVE THOSE, UH, ISSUES PRIOR TO IT BEING RELEASED.
UM, BUT IT WOULD TOTALLY BE UP TO THEM ON WHAT THEIR NEXT STEPS WOULD BE BASED OFF OF MY COMMENTS.
OR THE, UM, OFFICE'S COMMENTS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. VICE CHAIR.
CAN YOU ASK MAJOR ESE TO SHOW HER VIDEO? BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN ANYBODY IS SPEAKING AT THIS MEETING, THEIR VIDEO MUST BE ON.
IT DIDN'T KICK ON WHEN IT, BUT IT, HER VIDEO DID COME ON.
IT WAS JUST AFTER SHE HAD STARTED SPEAKING.
YOU DIDN'T SEE IT, YOUR END NOT AT ALL.
WHILE SHE WAS ADDRESSING, UH, MS. WADSWORTH'S LAST QUESTION.
YEAH, SHE, UM, SHE SHOWED UP ON OUR END, NOT AT THE BEGINNING, BUT, UM, BUT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HER COMMENTS, HER VIDEO CAME ON.
AND, UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE MS. CHANDLER'S VIDEO AS WELL.
SHE'S, BECAUSE IT, IT'S, WE'RE ALL HERE, WE'RE, SHE'S, WE'RE ALL PRESENT IN, WE'RE ALL PRESENT IN THE BOARDROOM THAT OKAY.
'CAUSE THERE'S BLOCK THAT SHOWS HER NAME, BUT NO VIDEO ON THAT BLOCK.
YES, BECAUSE SHE'S LOGGED INTO THE COMPUTER.
BUT SHE'S PRESENT HERE IN THE ROOM.
I I JUST HAVE A COMMENT SLASH OBSERVATION.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT ANSWER OR PROCEDURE IS, BUT IT SEEMS A LITTLE UNUSUAL TO ME THAT, UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS WOULD UNDERTAKE AN INVESTIGATION AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD WHEN WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO, AND WHEN, UH, WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO, THEY SAID, WELL, NO, WE'RE GONNA REINVESTIGATE IT.
AND THAT'S SEEMED APPROPRIATE.
UM, IT SEEMS A LITTLE ODD TO ME THAT THEY WOULD BE SENDING IT TO US TO MAKE COMMENTS ON.
I I THINK IT WOULD, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT IT'D BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM JUST TO DO THEIR INVESTIGATION AND GIVE IT TO US, AND THEN WE WOULD GO FROM THERE.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT IT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION.
I'M NOT ASKING THAT ANYTHING BE DONE.
IT JUST SEEMS ODD VICE CHAIR THAT THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT THAT IT WOULD GO TO THE DIRECTOR FROM THE BEGINNING, ALL GOES TO THE DIRECTOR.
THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE DIRECTOR.
AND MS. CHANDLER, MS. CHANDLER IS GETTING READY TO, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. KITNER.
AND SO TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, AS THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF, UM, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY AND POLICE OVERSIGHT ARE, UH, PART OF OUR DUTIES ARE TO MONITOR INVESTIGATIONS AND MONITOR WHAT, UM, DPD AND IAD IS DOING THROUGHOUT THEIR INVESTIGATIONS.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS IS JUST TO MONITOR, UM, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEIR FINDINGS ARE.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND FIND THAT PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE AND UNDERSTAND THAT VIA, I JUST FIND IT, TO ME, IT JUST SEEMS ODD THAT THEY WOULD DO INVESTIGATION AND SEND IT TO US FOR COMMENTS ON, IT JUST SEEMS THEY SHOULD DO THEIR INVESTIGATION AND GIVE IT TO US, AND THEN WE COULD GO FROM THERE.
BUT I'M JUST RAISING THE POINT.
I'M NOT ASKING ANYTHING TO HAPPEN.
I'M JUST MAKING AN OBSERVATION.
MR. VICE CHAIR, I HAD A QUESTION.
CHONGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE.
UM, SO MY QUESTION WAS TO, UM, IS TO DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
UH, WHAT TYPE OF FRAMEWORK OR, UH, IS THERE SOME TYPE OF FRAMEWORK OR SYSTEM OR METHODOLOGY THAT YOU USE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE, UH, INVESTIGATIONS AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS? UM, TO BROADLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHEN LOOKING AT INVESTIGATIONS, YOU REALLY JUST LOOK FOR UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
OR IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE COMPLAINT THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED.
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IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MAKING A CONNECTION, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DRAFT IT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS THE CASE WITH THE IED, BUT, UM, IN SOME CASES WHEN THERE IS AN INVESTIGATOR, THEY KNOW THE ISSUE AS THEY UNDERSTAND IT.AND SO THEY CAN RESPOND TO, UH, THEY CAN WRITE THE INVESTIGATION IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO THEM.
BUT FOR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH IT OR DIDN'T WRITE IT, THERE COULD BE SOME UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
AND SO AS SOMEONE REVIEWING AN INVESTIGATION, YOU WOULD JUST LOOK FOR THOSE TYPES OF, UM, GAPS.
UM, OR LIKE I SAID, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE COMPLAINT WASN'T TOTALLY ANSWERED OR RESPONDED TO AGAIN, OR IF THERE'S GAPS.
SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT LOOK FOR.
I HAD A, ANOTHER COMMENT IF I COULD.
IT, YOU KNOW, AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW, I WAS ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS OF MAKING THE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND THE OFFICER POLICE OVERSIGHT HAPPEN.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS, SAY, GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION ONCE THE OFFICE WAS ESTABLISHED AND THE DIRECTOR WAS HIRED, WAS THAT THE METHOD AND THE PROCESS PROCEDURE BY WHICH THIS COMMENTING AND REVIEW PROCESS WOULD HAPPEN, WE AGREED THAT ONCE THE DIRECTOR WAS HIRED, THAT THE DIRECTOR WOULD CREATE THOSE STANDARDS AND THOSE PROCEDURES.
SO FOR ME, I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING LIKE, WHAT IS THE FRAMEWORK? WHAT IS THE METHODOLOGY, WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE BY WHICH THIS GOES? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF LEFT ON THE DRAWING BOARD.
AND I, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I HOPE AS BEING A BOARD MEMBER, I CAN KIND OF SHED LIGHT ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE TECHNICALLY WERE A PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS AND US SETTING UP THIS BOARD THAT WE AGREED WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WITH THE, UH, CITY MANAGER FORTUNE WITH CHIEF HALL AT THE TIME, AND WITH COMMUNITY FOLK AND, AND, AND THE TWO COUNCIL PEOPLE WHO WERE MEDIATING THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD PUT THOSE THINGS TOGETHER.
AND SO, UH, I SEE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD BE, THAT WERE LEFT ON THE TABLE AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THOSE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT AS A BOARD AND AS AN OFFICE TO SEE HOW WE COULD STRENGTHEN THE OFFICE AND THE BOARD MORE WITH IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON, UH, THE DYNE LANE INVESTIGATION? MR. VICE CHAIR? JUST A COMMENT.
UM, I, THIS HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME FOR THIS INVESTIGATION.
UH, I, I WOULD HOPE TO SEE A COMPLETED INVESTIGATION IN MY INBOX, UH, BEFORE THE DECEMBER MEETING SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT SO THAT WE COULD HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS AT THE DECEMBER MEETING.
UM, BUT I, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, AND THIS ISN'T COMPLETED BY THE DECEMBER MEETING, THAT THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT SHOULD REOPEN IT'S INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
'CAUSE I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE POINT HERE WAS TO WAS, WAS TO PAUSE OUR INVESTIGATION TO ALLOW INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO DO THEIRS.
BUT THIS IS GONNA GO ON FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND REINITIATE OURS.
UM, I, UNDER I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WOULD GO COMPLETELY AGAINST THE ORDINANCE AS IT AS IT IS WRITTEN, UM, AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ARE FOR THAT.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET THERE, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THEIR COMPLETED INVESTIGATION COMING UP SOON, WHICH IS WHAT, THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT THE CITY, CITY ATTORNEY AGREED TO.
SO LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT GET OUT OVER OUR SKIS ON THIS AND THAT, THAT, AND THAT'S FINE IF THAT GOES AGAINST THE ORDINANCE.
I'M THAT, OF COURSE, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT DO THEY HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON HOW LONG THEY THERE ISN'T ARE ALLOWED? THERE ISN'T.
IT'S WHEN THEY COMPLETE THEIR INVESTIGATION.
SO WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING TO BE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR IT.
AND GOING TO YOUR, UH, COMMENT, UH, MR. HIGGINS IS THE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS LEFT ON THE, ON THE FLOOR.
A LOT OF, A LOT OF THINGS WERE NOT PUT INTO PLACE, PROCESSES, PROCEDURES, UM, MS. CHANDLER IS WORKING VERY, VERY HARD TO START FROM SCRATCH BUILDING A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
SO LET'S, UM, LET'S DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP MS. CHANDLER, UM, REACH OUT.
IF YOU HAVE SOME EXPERTISE, UM, THAT SHE CAN LEAN ON, UH, OR SHE CAN RELY ON AND USE, UM, LET US KNOW.
UM, BUT THAT GOES INTO THE WHOLE THING, WHAT
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I WAS SAYING EARLIER WITH THE WHOLE BOARD BEING IN FLUXX, RIGHT, WITH WHEN YOU PULL, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PULL THE CHAIR, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR DIRECTOR, UM, THE, THE, THE SHIP KIND OF GOES RUDDERLESS FOR A LITTLE BIT.AND SO ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THIS THING BACK UNDER SAIL AND WORKING TOGETHER TO, TO GET THESE COMPLETED.
NOW, I KNOW THAT, UH, THAT IED IS PROBABLY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THEY'RE GONNA WRAP THIS UP REALLY SOON.
IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST THAT, THAT GET WRAPPED UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO, UM, THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR CONVERSATION, UH, WITH CHIEF GARCIA, WHICH IS A FUTURE TOPIC THAT WE HAVE COMING UP.
BUT, UH, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER THAT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ESCALATE SOMETHING TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE FIND IS, IS, UH, IMPORTANT ENOUGH IN THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING THE MOVEMENT FROM DPD OR OTHER CITY, UM, OFFICES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT.
UM, YEAH, I JUST NEED TO, I THINK I NEED TO PUBLICLY STATE, JUST, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN TAKING.
UM, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE VOICED AND PUBLICLY ARTICULATED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
UH, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD, BUT, BUT FOR ME, UH, THIS FIRST WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AT AN AUGUST, AUGUST MEETING.
AND, UH, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION COMING.
IT'S NOW IN NOVEMBER, NOTHING, WHICH MEANS THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT TILL DECEMBER FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHICH MEANS REALLY WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT UNTIL JANUARY.
AND, UH, IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A NATIONAL NEWS STORY INTERNATIONAL.
AND, UM, THE, THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, I THINK DESERVE A LITTLE GREATER RESPECT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, UM, THAN THE IS, IS, UH, DIELLE LANE.
HE'S THE ONE WHO I THINK IS OF ALL IS, IS, UH, THE ONE AFFECTED BY THIS THE MOST.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON OUR END, UH, TO, TO RESPOND TO THE INJUSTICE UNTIL THIS INVESTIGATION IS FINISHED.
THIS HAPPENED, I THINK FOR HIM, IT HAPPENED IN JUNE.
I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT MONTH IT WAS, JUNE OR JULY.
SO AGAIN, UM, I WOULD EXPECT A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSONALLY A BIT WHEN, WHEN THEY SAY SOMETHING'S GONNA BE GIVEN TO US BY NEXT MEETING TO TALK ABOUT AS A BOARD, THAT, THAT, THAT CAN BE HONORED.
'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S WANT A VOICE.
I, I THINK IT'S TAKING A LITTLE TOO LONG.
UH, WHO WAS THAT ONLINE? THIS IS MAJOR ANI, SIR.
HI, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO THE UPDATE THAT I WAS GONNA PROVIDE WOULD BE JUST THAT TO THE BOARD, AN UPDATE, JUST KIND OF LETTING YOU KNOW ON WHERE IT IS IN MY OFFICE.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, I, I CANNOT VIOLATE THE CITY ORDINANCE.
I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS OR PRESENT ANYTHING TO THE BOARD.
THAT'S AN OPEN INVESTIGATION RIGHT NOW.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT AN INVESTIGATION HERE IS NOT COMPLETE UNTIL IT GOES TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, AND I CAN TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE PROCESS HERE ON HOW IT GOES.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO INVITE ANY ONE OF YOU TO COME DOWN AND VISIT IAD SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE DO.
UM, I'VE ALSO EXTENDED THAT
UM, SO REGARDING THE CASE, EVEN AFTER IT IS REVIEWED HERE, THERE'S STILL SEVERAL LAYERS AND PHASES THAT IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH.
THE EMPLOYEE WILL NEED TO COME IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WILL NEED TO, UM, GIVE A RECOMMENDATION WHEN IT COMES TO DISCIPLINE.
AND THEN EVEN AFTER THAT DISCIPLINE, IF ANY IS GOING TO BE RENDERED, IT WILL BE RENDERED BY AN ASSISTANT CHIEF.
SO, UM, BEFORE IT GETS TO, AS YOU SAY, YOUR INBOX, UM, BY MS. CHANDLER OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THAT WILL NOT BE HAPPENING NEXT MONTH.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S, YEAH, THANK YOU.
I, I THINK IT WAS, UH, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU PROVIDE THAT PROCESS UPDATE.
UM, BECAUSE YES, I'M NOT SURE THAT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, EVEN MYSELF, UM, KNOWING ALL THE LAYERS, UM, THAT THE INVESTIGATION HAS TO GO THROUGH.
UM, AND, AND, AND ALSO AS YOU GUYS DEAL WITH WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO, YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
SO, UM, I THINK, UH, WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, AND I THINK WHAT SOME BOARD MEMBERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND, UM, IS A, NOT KNOWING THE PROCESS, AND B, JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THAT MR. LANE, UM, MR. LANE'S INVESTIGATION IS GETTING THE, UM,
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THE ATTENTION THAT, AND THAT IT DESERVES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING THAT UPDATE.AND, UM, AND WE WILL BE, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT, UH, TO YOUR NEXT UPDATE AS WELL.
CAN I PLEASE ASK A QUESTION TO MAJOR ALLEN? SURE.
UH, MAJOR ALLEN, DID I GET CORRECTLY FROM YOU THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE AN UPDATE ON THIS NEXT MONTH? THE ONLY UPDATE I WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU NEXT MONTH WILL BE THE UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS WITH THE INVESTIGATION.
UM, BUT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, I GUESS EARLIER THERE WAS, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT RECEIVING THE CASE IN, IN AN INBOX.
UM, NO MA'AM, THAT THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
AND, AND HAVE YOU ALREADY PROVIDED AN UPDATE ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS AS, AS YOU SAY, AT THIS MEETING? YES, MA'AM.
SO WE'LL GET THE SAME THING NEXT MEETING? YES.
I'LL BE ABLE TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, BUT NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR DETAILS ABOUT THE CASE AND THAT CONTENT, NO.
UHHUH BECAUSE AGAIN, I, WHICH I AM, YES.
I'M NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE BOARD.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON MR. LANE'S INVESTIGATION? I AM SORRY, I'M OLD AND, AND I DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO MAJOR ALANISE, THE INVESTIGATION AT I-A-I-A-D IS STILL GOING ON AND IT WILL NOT BE COMPLETED IN 30 DAYS.
MAJOR ALANISE, THIS IS DEREK
WELL, I WAS UNDER, UNDER UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS GIVEN TO A SPECIAL PERSON, SO IT CAN BE FAST LIT ALL THE WAY THROUGH INSTEAD OF GOING THE LONG WAY AROUND.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN TO SOMEONE THAT WAS GONNA BE HANDLING IT JUST THEIR CASE.
AND THAT WAY WE COULD HAVE IT ACTUALLY FOR THE LAST TIME.
BUT NOW THIS TIME IT DIDN'T COME UP.
SO LIKE YOU SAY, YOU SAID JANUARY, THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S LIKE, IS IT, IS IT ONE PERSON ASSIGNED TO THAT CASE OR WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON? AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE PROCEDURE.
BUT EVEN IF IT EVEN HAS TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE CHAINS OF COMMAND, IF IT WAS GIVEN TO ONE PERSON, A LOT OF THINGS SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN HANDLED A LOT FASTER, IT SEEMS LIKE SINCE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT SINCE AUGUST, REALLY AGREED WITH IN SEPTEMBER AND SHOULD HAVE HAD IT HERE TODAY.
MAY I ADDRESS, UH, UH, THE OTHER FLOOR ESE, MAJOR ESE, DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATION OF WHEN IT WILL BE BEFORE THIS BOARD MONTH, YEAR? SO THAT, I DO NOT.
AND IF, IF I MAY, AND IF I MAY ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT JUST CAME UP, UH, PRIOR TO THAT, UM, REGARDING THE ONE INVESTIGATOR BEING ASSIGNED THAT CASE? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, I THINK RIGHT NOW THE DISCONNECT THAT WE HAVE IS, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROCESSES THAT HAPPEN WITH A CASE.
IT IS NOT JUST AN INVESTIGATION THAT'S CONDUCTED BY MY DETECTIVE AND THEN SUBMITTED TO ME.
AGAIN, THE CASE HAS TO BE WORKED BY THE DETECTIVE.
IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY MYSELF.
UM, I WAS WORKING WITH DIRECTOR CHANDLER SO THAT SHE CAN ALSO LOOK AT IT IN CASE THERE'S ANY CONCERNS.
AFTER THAT, THE EMPLOYEE WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND REVIEW THAT.
THEN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WILL HAVE TO COME IN AND MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON DISCIPLINES SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO, UM, WANT TO ISSUE ANY DISCIPLINE ON THIS.
AND THEN IT WILL BE SET UP FOR A HEARING WITH AN ASSISTANT CHIEF TO RENDER DISCIPLINE, IF ANY, AT THAT TIME.
SO AGAIN, THERE ARE SEVERAL LAYERS HERE.
IT'S NOT WHERE MY DETECTIVE JUST PUT A CASE TOGETHER THAT WE WOULD THEN HAND OVER TO THE OFFICE.
AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL DISCIPLINE HAS BEEN RENDERED.
WHAT I HEAR YOU SAY, AND FROM MY, UM,
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SCANT EXPERIENCE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I'M HEARING SEVERAL MONTHS, LIKE SIX, EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE YOU WILL BE GETTING IT OVER TO US BY GOING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE LEVELS THAT ARE NECESSARY.IS THAT INCORRECT? AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A GUESS.
I WOULD NOT GUESS THAT IT IS SEVERAL MONTHS, SIR.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE YOU A NUMBER.
I, ALL I CAN DO IS PROVIDE TO YOU THE PROCESS THAT IT TAKES FOR AN INVESTIGATION TO GO THROUGH HERE.
ALRIGHT, BOARD MEMBERS, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING DONNELL LANE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO TWO B.
ITEM TWO B, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, THE MEMO TO CHIEF GAR, UH, GARCIA REC, UH, RECOMMENDING AN UPDATE TO DPD GENERAL ORDERS 5 0 5 0.01, UH, WHICH IS, UM, COMPLAINT CLASSIFICATION.
UM, SO PRIOR TO, UH, THE DIRECTOR, UM, RESIGNED, UH, WE LOST OUR BOARD CHAIR.
SO THAT MEMO NEVER MADE IT TO, UH, CHIEF GARCIA.
SO I HAVE BEEN WORKING A DRAFT TO SEND TO CHIEF GARCIA FOR THIS BOARD.
AND, UM, SO THAT IS, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN I AM, UM, AND I'LL WAIT BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE ALSO GOTTA UPDATE THAT PIECE, BUT, UM, SO IT IS DRAFTED.
UM, AND MISS, UH, MS. CHANDLER, CAN YOU TELL ME IF IT'S ARE, ARE WE IN THE OFFICE WITH IT OR HAS IT GONE UP TO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE? UH, FOR ITEM TWO B? FOR TWO B, YES, MA'AM.
UH, WELL, I AM IN RECEIPT OF THE DRAFT, EXCUSE ME, IT'S THREE B OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, I AM IN RECEIPT OF THE DRAFT.
IT HASN'T GONE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, THE DPD GENERAL ORDER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE PASSED LAST MONTH? I HAVE A QUESTION.
DISTRICT NINE, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE DRAFT? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS A MEMO THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY AGREED TO SEND TO CHIEF GARCIA.
BUT WHAT I CAN TELL, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I'M BRAND NEW AND SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE MINUTES.
UM, I'M, I'M WONDERING WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE URGING.
UM, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE DRAFT? HOW LONG IS IT, WHAT IS IT TOUCHING ON? THE, THE DRAFT IS ESSENTIALLY FROM, IF, IF YOU GO TO THE OCTOBER MINUTES, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A, UH, WRITEUP ON A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT GOES TO CHIEF GARCIA.
AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SENT BY THE OCPO AND CHAIR.
AND I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT THE OCTOBER MINUTES AND IT JUST SAYS THAT WE WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT THE DEPARTMENT FOLLOWED DOJ STANDARDS.
RIGHT? SO THAT WAS ONE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION ON, ON THOSE STANDARDS.
CAN WE SEE A COPY OF THE DRAFT BEFORE IT GOES? SURE.
I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.
YEAH, IT'S, UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE LANGUAGE, UM, THAT WAS IN THE OCTOBER MINUTES BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE RULED ON FOR SURE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THREE D? ALL RIGHT, NEXT, NEXT ITEMS THREE, THREE C MEMO TO THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING THE, UH, TECHNICAL RESOURCE, UH, COMMITTEE OR TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, ALSO KNOWN AS THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL THAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE.
UM, SO WE'VE ALSO DRAFTED A MEMO TO, UM, THE, UH, CITY MANAGER AND THE OCPO ASKING THEM TO INSTITUTE THAT SINCE IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE, AND IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO, UM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GOT UP OFF THE GROUND.
AND SO THAT HAS ALSO, UH, THAT IS ALSO BEING WORKED.
UM, SO WE ARE, WE ARE MOVING, MOVING SOME PARTS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THREE C ON THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL? DID MS. VICE YES.
DID WE REVIEW THAT MEMO? DID THE BOARD SEE THAT? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND
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THE OCPO ARE SUPPOSED TO START THAT MM-HMM.SO I ASKED THEM TO START IT TO DO IT.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE VOTED ON IT.
WE ELECTED, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS TWO YEARS AGO.
IN FACT, MR. MR. HIGGINS WAS ONE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
UM, BUT IT DIDN'T, BUT NOW IT IS.
AND SO WE'RE MOVE, WE'RE JUST MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THE IDEA IS TO GET THIS BOARD, THE, AND, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPOKEN TO MS. CHANDLER ABOUT IN, IN THE WEEK, UM, SINCE, UM, SINCE WE STARTED PREPPING FOR THIS, WAS, UM, I REALLY, I REALLY WANT THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE TO FEEL EMPOWERED.
AND I WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS BOARD AND IN THIS OFFICE.
AND, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THINGS WEREN'T HAPPENING LIKE THAT IN THE PAST, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET THE SENSE THAT THEY WERE.
AND SO I WANT TO CHANGE THAT CULTURE ON OUR BOARD, UM, WITH WORKING WITH MS. CHANDLER AND, UM, ALSO WORKING TOGETHER TO MOVE A LOT OF THESE THINGS ALONG.
AND SOMETIMES WE'RE GONNA AGREE ON SOME POLICY MATTERS AND SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT.
BUT IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE TRY TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR THIS BOARD.
UM, ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, ON ITEM THREE C, SIR? MR. HIGGINS? SO DIRECT CHANDLER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WRITING THE, UM, THE DRAFT OF THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE COMMITTEE? OR IS IT JUST BY THE, OR BROADLY WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE? YEAH, SO THE ORDINANCE IS VERY SPECIFIC.
UM, I'M SORRY, MS. CHANDLER, I'M SORRY.
I SPENT A WEEK READING THAT OR ORDINANCE, UM, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
UM, SO THE TECH, THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL IS, UH, THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT NEED TO BE SELECTED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THE OCPO.
AND THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC WHERE THEY CAN WORK, WHERE THEY LIVE, OR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, UH, WHERE THEY WORK, UH, WHERE THEY CAN'T WORK.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC RULES ON WHO NEEDS TO BE PART OF THAT.
AND I AM SURE THAT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND MS. CHANDLER WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM FINDING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO SIT ON THIS BOARD AND THE OTHER ON THE, ON THE PANEL.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? SO IT CAN'T, IT CAN'T BE, UM, IT'S GOTTA BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WELL.
SO
AND IT DIDN'T, IT, IF WE'RE TALKING 21ST CENTURY POLICING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS, CITY, COMMUNITY, AND POLICE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE A RESOURCE PANEL THAT'S FULL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHERE'S YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS? WHERE'S YOUR, UH, DATA, WHERE'S YOUR COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES? PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WORK ON THESE ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY WITH PEOPLE? THAT WAS THE VISION FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED UPON.
NOW, SOMEHOW IN THE ORDINANCE, THE LANGUAGE DIDN'T MAKE IT THERE.
I REMEMBER SEEING AN ORDINANCE THAT HAD THAT LANGUAGE, BUT THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT EXPANDS THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL TO OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IT INCLUDES LAW ENFORCEMENT AS A PART OF THE VOICE OF THAT PANEL.
AND SO SOMEHOW THAT GOT, THAT GOT LOST ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK ON THE FLOOR.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THE ATTORNEYS WHO WORKED WITH US IN THAT NEGOTIATION PROCESS HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION.
UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL, UM, MEETING, YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENTATIONS OF MEETINGS WHERE WE ACTUALLY AGREED UPON THIS WAS AGREED UPON BY ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE ROOM NEGOTIATING, UM, WITH THIS.
SO I, THIS HAS TO BE REVISITED ON SOME LEVEL
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BECAUSE SOMEHOW IT JUST GOT, GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION.AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS, IF I MAY, I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, BUT ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WITH THE OLD POLICE REVIEW BOARD WAS THAT THERE WAS NO ONE OUTSIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TALKING TO THE BOARD TO HELP THEM MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.
WHEN YOU NEEDED TO KNOW IF SOMETHING ACTUALLY OCCURRED PROCEDURALLY WITH DPD, YOU HAD TO ASK IAD WHEN YOU NEEDED TO GO TO OUTSIDE OF THEM TO A TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL THERE.
THESE ARE ALSO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THERE WAS NO COMMUNITY VOICE EXCEPT FOR THE PERSON SUBMITTING THEIR COMPLAINT TO STAMP.
THERE WAS NO CIVIL RIGHTS VOICE.
THERE WAS NO ONE WHO COULD REPRESENT A LEGAL OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, ALL THAT'S MISSING.
AND IT SHOULD BE A COMPLETE PANEL OF PEOPLE THAT WE CAN PULL ON AND ASK, RIGHT? SO WE CAN ASK, I, FOR INSTANCE, WE CAN ASK I ID IF THEY FOLLOW PROCEDURE, RIGHT? BUT THERE MAY BE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON OUR PANEL THAT WILL SAY, HEY, LOOK ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WE'VE SEEN BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, RIGHT? A, B, C, D, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE, BECAUSE THIS IS A PROBLEM, RIGHT? OR CAN LOOK AT THE DATA ON WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN OUR CITY, AND SAY, ACTUALLY WE TO THINK ABOUT OTHER THINGS BESIDE JUST WHETHER THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT.
AND SO OUR JOB WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN UPGRADE TO WHAT THE OLD REVIEW BOARD DID, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE POWER TO HAVE MORE VOICES IN THE CONVERSATION.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU DIRECTOR TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
UM, THE LAST DIRECTOR, WE PROPOSED A POLICY WORKING GROUP THAT REALLY DIDN'T GET OFF THE GROUND.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE LIKE COMMUNITY OR COALITION MEMBERS AS WELL AS, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
SO WE COULD GO THROUGH THIS STUFF AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT WAS LEFT ON THE, ON THE FLOOR, WE CAN ACTUALLY GET IT INTO THE OFFICE.
AND I AGREE THAT DOES SOUND LIKE MORE OF A POLICY, UM, GROUP THAT MAY, UH, WORK IN CONNECTION WITH THE TECHNICAL BOARD.
I THINK THE PURPOSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF THE TECHNICAL BOARD IS JUST THE TECHNICAL PROCESSES AND HOW THINGS ARE TYPICALLY HANDLED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND AND SEE YOUR POINT THAT THERE'S MORE TO IT SOMETIMES THAN JUST THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS.
SO I BELIEVE THAT MAY BE A FUTURE CONVERSATION AND MAYBE ADD TO THANK YOU FOR SHARING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ITEM THREE C, MR. VICE-CHAIR? I'M SORRY.
UM, ON THESE STAFF REPORTS AND ACTION ITEMS, OUR AGENDA SHOWS THAT THERE ARE MEMOS ATTACHED, BUT I'M NOT SEEING MEMOS ATTACHED.
AM AM I MISSING SOMETHING? EACH ONE OF THESE SAYS ATTACHMENT MEMO.
IF I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY AN, IS THAT AN ADMIN ERROR? AS FAR AS I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE OFF.
UH, ON THE AGENDA IT SAYS TWO, BUT IN THE ACTUAL PACKET IT'S ON SECTION THREE.
WAS THERE A COPY IN THERE? GOT IT.
UH, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A, A MIX UP IN THE NUMBER THREE.
I SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO THREE, UH, SECTION FOUR A, THREE A, UM, IS, UH, THE REPORT, UH, FOR DPD MONTHLY ARREST DATA.
SO WHAT I'VE BEEN IN, WHAT I WAS INFORMED ON THIS IS THAT THIS INFORMATION IS PROVIDED BY DPD TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON THEIR, AT THEIR MEETINGS, WHICH IS THE SECOND, UM, THE SECOND MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
UM, OURS IS TYPICALLY THE SECOND TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
UM, SO THIS IS PROVIDED AS A COURTESY FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO LOOK AT.
UM, WE, THIS IS NOT DATA THAT'S PUT TOGETHER BY OUR, BY THE OCPO OR ANYONE ON THIS BOARD.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS INFORMATION, I WOULD, UH, OPEN IT UP TO DPD ONLINE.
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MR. VICE CHAIR SHOULD BE UNDER, UNDER, UH, TAB FOUR.AND WHAT I'M SEEING IS COMPLAINT REPORTS, BUT NOT ARREST DATA.
THAT IS THE COMPLAINT REPORT AND NOT THE ARREST DATA.
DO YOU HAVE THE ARREST DATA? NOT IN CHAMBERS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMPLAINT REPORTS THAT WE DO HAVE? LET'S, UH, WE, WE ARE GONNA HIT ON THE COMPLAINT REPORTS.
UM, THAT'S GOING TO BE FURTHER DOWN.
CAN DO YOU MIND HOLDING, HOLDING THAT ONE? OKAY.
OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE MONTHLY ARREST DATA IN THE BINDERS.
WE WILL, UH, WE SHOULD BE RECEIVING THE UPDATE FROM DPD PROBABLY COMING THIS WEEK, RIGHT? OR DO WE HAVE IT ALREADY? NO, THAT MIGHT BE, THAT'S FOR SEPTEMBER.
SO YOU WOULD BE IN THIS MONTH'S MEETING, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ONE FOR OCTOBER.
JAMES, CAN YOU CONFIRM IF WE RECEIVED THE ARREST DATA? I, WE, I, I, I, WE SENT OUT AN EMAIL AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSE.
WE, I WILL CHECK WHEN I DOUBLE CHECK, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, NO.
BUT I, BUT I WILL CHECK WHEN I OKAY.
JAMES, COULD I ASK A QUESTION? UH, JUDGE LANDER, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT, COULD I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE ARREST DATA THAT WE DO HAVE? UH, MY QUESTION IS, UM, I'M, LOOK, I'VE LOOKED THROUGH THIS THING MORE THAN ONCE AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH A MURDER OR HOMICIDE.
IS THERE A REASON WHY MURDER AND HOMICIDE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS DATA? I DON'T KNOW WHO I'M ASKING.
THE QUESTION OF
AND ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE SEPTEMBER ARREST DATA? I'M LOOKING AT THE SEPTEMBER ARREST DATA.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY ARREST DATA I HAVE.
I THINK YOU'RE THE ONLY DPD REPRESENTATIVE THAT WE HAVE ON, ON, ON, UH, LINE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
UM, SO, UH, JUDGE LANDERS HAS A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THE SEPTEMBER ARREST DATA THAT'S PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE? YES, SIR.
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY DATA NOR MY REPORT.
I'M NOT GONNA BE MUCH HELP ON THAT.
UM, I DID HEAR THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP REGARDING IF THE DATA WAS SENT FOR LAST, UH, MONTH.
I CAN AT LEAST LOOK INTO THAT AND FIND OUT AND SEE IF IT, UH, IF IT WAS SENT.
I THINK THE, THE HICCUP MIGHT BE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED MS. CHANDLER'S INFORMATION.
UM, I THINK IT WAS ON AN AUTO, UM, EMAIL THAT IS SENT OUT MONTHLY.
UH, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO MS. CHANDLER REGARDING ANY ADDITIONAL, ANY, UH, UPDATED ARREST DATA.
BUT AS FAR AS THE REPORT ITSELF, N NO, SIR, IT'S NOT IED RELATED, SO I, I WON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION FOR YOU.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YEAH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO WORK WITH MS. CHANDLER.
AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, WE WILL, WE'LL CERTAINLY GET THE ANSWERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? MM-HMM,
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS, SORRY.
UH, MOVING ON TO THREE B, THE MONTHLY MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA, UM, DIRECTOR, UH, CHANDLER WAS, UH, REACHED OUT TO THE CHIEF AND HAS SCHEDULED A MEETING FOR THIS THURSDAY.
UH, WE WILL BOTH BE GOING OVER TO, TO MEET WITH THE CHIEF.
UM, SO, UH, I HOPE TO HAVE, UM, WE, WE HOPE TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME THINGS MOVING ALONG.
SO, UH, JUST, UH, BE PATIENT FOR NOW, BUT, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY.
ANY QUESTIONS ON, DOES ANYONE HAVE, UH, ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE ME TO ASK? CHIEF GARCIA, IF YOU DO, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SEND IT TO MS. CHANDLER AND, UH, I'M
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HAPPY TO, I'M HAPPY TO ASK ON YOUR BEHALF.UM, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON THAT, I WILL BE MOVING ON TO THREE C, WHICH IS, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE CPOB TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES WITH DPD MS. CHANDLER? YES.
SO MAJOR ESE KIND OF ALREADY SHARED SOME OF MY UPDATE.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO IED REGARDING, UM, TRAININGS THAT THEY MAY HAVE AVAILABLE IN, UM, THEIR OFFICE.
AND THEY HAVE CONNECTED ME TO THE APPROPRIATE PERSONS TO, UH, PROVIDE TRAINING, UM, FOR DPD.
UM, HOWEVER, IN IAD IT WAS COMMUNICATED THAT THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RIDE-ALONGS WITHIN YOUR DISTRICT.
THERE'S A FORM THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO COMPLETE AND A BACKGROUND CHECK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE RIDE-ALONGS.
BUT THAT IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN, UM, PARTICIPATE IN FOR YOUR DISTRICTS.
UM, AND THEN AS MAJOR ALANISE SHARED A BIT EARLIER, YOU CAN ALSO GO TO IED TO TOUR THEIR OFFICE AND LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR PROCESSES AND SEE THE, UM, STAFF THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR OFFICES.
UM, I AM GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH, I AM GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH, UM, THE TRAINING DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ONLINE TRAININGS THAT CAN BE TAKEN.
I WAS TOLD THAT WHAT WE HAD LISTED ON OUR TRAINING SHEET, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WERE NOT AVAILABLE, UM, BY ELECTRONICALLY.
THEY ARE ALL IN PERSON, BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER TRAININGS AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD PARTICIPATE IN ELECTRONICALLY, DIRECTOR IN THE PAST.
THOSE, UM, ELECTRONIC ONES WERE RECORDED OR DISPLAYED IN YOUR OFFICE, AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN PERSON TO VIEW THEM.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
THAT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE POLICE TRAINING.
THAT'S THE
BUT THE POLICE TRAINING, WE'VE HAD A FEW, I I THINK THERE'VE BEEN TWO THAT WE'VE DONE ON SATURDAY MORNINGS, WHICH WERE FINE.
UH, WENT UP TO THE TRAINING FACILITY AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET 'EM SCHEDULED AGAIN.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THEY'VE TOLD US BEFORE THAT IT'S REALLY NOTHING IS AVAILABLE ELECTRONICALLY.
SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IS TRYING TO GET A GROUP OF, UH, 15 TOGETHER TO GO TO A, YOU KNOW, A SATURDAY TRAINING OR A SUNDAY TRAINING, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR A LOT OF US.
AND SO WHAT I WANT, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I, THAT I WANT TO ASK THE CHIEF, UH, WHEN I MEET WITH HIM LATER THIS WEEK, IS IF WE COULD DO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE, THE TRAINING ACADEMY IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS RUNNING THROUGH A CYCLE, RIGHT? AND SO THE IDEA IS TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY OR AN AVAILABILITY FOR MAYBE ONE OR TWO OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO ATTEND A SPECIFIC SEGMENT OF A TRAINING, UH, MAYBE SITTING ON, YOU KNOW, THE BACK WALL NOT TO INTERFERE BECAUSE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW WHAT, IN MY HEAD, WHAT I'VE GOT GOT IT, IS THAT IT MAY BE A A, AN ACADEMY CLASS GOING THROUGH A SPECIFIC PIECE OF TRAINING BLOCK.
AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, UM, MAYBE DAVID'S AVAILABLE, OR MAYBE DEREK'S AVAILABLE AND THEY WANT TO GO ON A SATURDAY OR ON A FRIDAY MORNING TO WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TRAINING, USE OF FORCE, WHATEVER.
UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT YOU GO THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A BACKSEAT, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE OBSERVING TRAINING THAT THE ACADEMY, YOU'RE ALSO RECEIVING IT.
UM, BUT IT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT NOT BE A, A INTERFERING KIND OF THING.
YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S, WHERE, UM, THE TRAINING'S NOT DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY FOR US.
WE'RE JUST ABLE TO OBSERVE AND WATCH AND ATTEND.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT IT, WHAT IT DOES IS JUST, IT, IT OFFERS IT UP FOR MORE PEOPLE TO, TO SWING IN ON WEDNESDAY.
IF YOU'RE OFF ON WEDNESDAY OR ON A MONDAY, MAYBE IT'S A HOLIDAY MONDAY AND THEY'VE GOT CLASS.
UM, IT JUST GIVES EVERYONE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO JUMP IN ON TRAINING AS THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
I JUST GOTTA SEE IF THE CHIEF, IF, IF THAT WORKS WITH THEIR TRAINING SCHEDULE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT DOES, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT TRAINING PIECE? OKAY.
UM, NEXT ONE IS THREE D UH, UPDATE TO THE STATUS OF THE INDEPENDENT
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INVESTIGATIONS FOR DIAMOND ROSS AND THE, UH, AND THE JEFFERSON, THE JEFFERSONS.UH, THE DIAMOND ROSS INVESTIGATION, OR A CASE IS STILL IN LITIGATION, SO THERE IS NO UPDATE ON THAT.
UM, AND THE INVESTIGATION FOR THE JEFFERSONS IS IN PROCESS.
AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO, UM, TO KEVIN WILLIAMS, UH, FOR AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF HIS PROCESS, UH, PROGRESS TO GIVE, TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE JEFFERSON'S, UM, INVESTIGATION.
UM, WE'RE IN, IN THE PROCESS OF JUST INTERVIEW BOTH COMPLAINANTS IN, IN THE CASE.
AND WE'RE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PUTTING THEIR INFORMATION, UM, UP AGAINST THE ALLEGATIONS AND WE'RE WATCHING THE VIDEOS.
SO, UM, BY THE NEXT MEETING, WE SHOULD HAVE A, UM, CONCLUSION OF THAT INVESTIGATION.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT'S TAKING THE TIME IS TO CATCH UP WITH THE, UM, COMPLAINANTS.
AND THEY'VE ALSO HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS IN THEIR FAMILY THAT KIND OF PUSH THINGS BACK.
SO, UM, I TALKED TO BOTH, UM, COMPLAINANTS, BOTH KIMBERLY AND, UM, TENARIS JEFFERSON TO, TO RETRIEVE THE INFORMATION.
AND, UM, NOW WE JUST, UM, IN THE PHASE OF PUTTING THEIR WORDS, UM, AND THE ACTIONS IN, IN FORMAT.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FOR YOU AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, I CAN ANSWER THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILLIAMS ONLINE OR IN THE ROOM? SEEING NONE.
MOVING ON TO THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT, MR. GRIFFIN, MR. CHAIR.
UH, DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY AND POLICE OVERSIGHT HAD QUESTIONS REGARDING 18 CASES THAT IT REVIEWED.
FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH IAD AND, AND CONSULTATION PROVIDED ADDITIONAL CONTEXT WHICH SAT, WHICH SATISFIED OUR CONCERNS.
UNDER QUESTIONS I HAVE ATTACHED THE, THE EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS, THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY CHART IN THE OCTOBER COMPLAINT SUMMARIES TO THE PACKET.
MR. REVIS? YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE ACTIVITY REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, IT DOES SHOW THAT OF THE 43 COMPLAINTS THAT THE, UH, OCPO AGREED WITH IA IN ALL OF THEM, THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF REPORT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
SO WHAT MR. GRIFFIN JUST SAID, 18 CASES, UM, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS WERE OR HOW IT CAME ABOUT THAT IN THE FINAL REPORT TO THE BOARD, THEY'RE ALL LISTED THAT OCPO IS IN AGREEMENT WITH IA.
THIS IS A CHANGE FROM THE PAST.
UM, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
UM, IT DOES NOT SAY THAT THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY AND POLICE OVERSIGHT WAS IN AGREEMENT, BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE CASES THAT WE DID QUESTION ARE NOT LISTED HERE, AND THE ITEMS THAT WE QUESTIONED ARE NOT LISTED.
AND, UM, BUT THERE WERE, AS, UM, MR. GRIFFIN STATED 18 CASES THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT WE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON AND CLARITY.
UM, AND MOST OF THOSE INVESTIGATION, OR I'M SORRY, MOST OF THOSE CASES RESULTED EITHER IN, UM, DEPARTMENT REFERRALS OR DRS OR THEY WERE UNDER INVESTIGATION.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN PROVIDE MORE INSIGHT.
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE DETAILS SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT SPECIFICALLY, UM, OCPO, HOW, HOW THEY LOOKED AT THAT COMPLAINT, WHICH WAS MADE TO US AND RESPONDED TO THE COMPLAINANT.
UH, DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
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THE PROCESS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE WERE SOME OF THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THAT WOULD NOT HAVE RESULTED IN A REFERRAL OR OTHER ACTION, BUT FOR YOUR QUESTIONING THEM? IS THAT YOUR BELIEF? SO WE HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING WITH IAD, AND IN THAT WEEKLY MEETING, WE REVIEW CASES THAT WE PRESENTED AND THAT IAD UM, UH, PRESENTED TO US AND WE REVIEW THE CASES, WE LOOK AT THE VIDEOS AND WE BOTH RESPOND TO WHAT WE SEE.I, I, I, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, UM, IS IT YOUR BELIEF THAT, BUT FOR YOUR COMMENTS ARE RAISING QUESTIONS, UH, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UH, THAT'S WHAT CAUSED SOME OF THESE TO HAVE A DIVISION REFERRAL OR SOME ACTION TAKEN AS OPPOSED TO NO ACTION.
RIGHT? SO I CAN'T SAY THAT IED WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN ACTION, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED A PRETTY ROBUST SPREADSHEET THAT ASKS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK OUT OF ASKING ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS, IT PROVIDES MORE TRANSPARENCY.
AND I DO THINK THAT IT SHEDS MORE ATTENTION TO EACH COMPLAINT THAT COMES THROUGH THAT MAY RESULT IN MORE ACTION BEING TAKEN.
AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE, UM, A SYNOPSIS OF THAT SPREADSHEET.
AND BASICALLY THE SPREADSHEET THAT WE DEVELOPED, UM, ALSO COLLECTS A LOT OF DATA FOR THE ANNUAL REPORTS THAT WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE.
SO IT, IT, UM, OUTLINES THE COMPLAINT TYPE, UM, THE RACE AND GENDER OF THE PERSON, UM, THE AREA THAT THEY ARE IN, AGAIN, WHAT THE COMPLAINT WAS, WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS.
AND IN SOME CASES WE RECEIVE REPORTS FROM IED THAT MAY NOT HAVE THEIR OUTCOME.
UM, BUT WE DO ASK QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT, HOW DID THIS END? WAS THIS A DIVISION REFERRAL? WAS IT AN INVESTIGATION? WAS IT A CONVERSATION? SOMETIMES IT'S REFERRED BACK FOR TRAINING.
AND SO I THINK BY HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, IT CAN RESULT IN MORE ACTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THE OCTOBER COMPLAINTS? OKAY, I'M SORRY.
SO IN THE FUTURE WE WILL SEE SOMETHING THAT WILL GIVE US THE INFORMATION THAT WAS OMITTED AND THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU DISAGREED WITH IEDS CONCLUSION.
YES, WE WILL PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL DETAIL.
I'M SORRY, BUT YES, THE AGENDA DOESN'T COORDINATE WITH THE PAGES, SO IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW YOU THAT I QUIT TRYING TO FOLLOW.
WE, WE ARE, UM, THIS IS, UH, NO, WE, WE ARE
AGAIN, I, THERE, THERE ARE SO MANY.
UM, AND, AND I, I FEEL, UM, I GOTTA SAY I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR, UM, THE OCPO OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THAT SHE COULD, UH, THAT THE DIRECTOR COULD RELY ON AND, AND WORK WITH.
SO, UM, I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S A DIFFICULT FOLLOWING ALONG RIGHT NOW, BUT I I I GUARANTEE YOU IT WILL GET BETTER AND IT WILL GET FASTER.
SO, UM, I JUST APPRECIATE YOU, ALL OF YOU FOR WORKING WITH MS. CHANDLER AND BEING, BEING FLEXIBLE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE UNDERSTAFFED AND UNDERFUNDED.
RIGHT? AND SO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, RIGHT? SO, UH, IT'S ONE THING TO BE TOLD THAT YOU'RE UNDERSTAFFED AND UNDERFUNDED.
UM, IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES, RIGHT? SO I, AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WEEK THAT I'VE, THAT I'VE BEEN WITH MS. CHANDLER, UM, OR THE DAY OUT OF THE WEEKS, UM, IT, YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE, UM, IT CAN BE OVERWHELMING.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GOT AN INTAKE SPECIALIST DOING ONE DEAL, YOU HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR, UM, WORKING FULL-TIME ON
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MULTIPLE INVESTIGATIONS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, MS. CHANDLER IS, IS, UH, IS WORKING ON STREAMLINING SO MANY THINGS INTERNALLY SO THAT IT, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR, FOR EVERYONE AND ESPECIALLY HER OFFICE.AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO ALSO IS WE ALSO WANT TO SHOW WHAT THIS BOARD IS CAPABLE OF DOING, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT, LIKE WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO PUT OUT AN ANNUAL REPORT, I MEAN, WE'RE UP TO FOUR ANNUAL REPORTS NOW.
I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO PUT OUT AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT CAN JUSTIFY OUR CALL FOR PEOPLE AND FOR A INCREASE IN BUDGET, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
AND SO IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, TO PROVIDE THAT REPORT, THE, THE JUSTIFICATION, AND WE CAN CRY ABOUT MONEY AND PEOPLE ALL DAY LONG, BUT UNLESS YOU CAN JUSTIFY IT, ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE STREAMLINE THESE.
WE GET SOME, UM, WE GET SOME, UH, SOME REAL TURN ON, ON SOME OF THE INVESTIGATIONS, UM, AND THAT WE'RE SPENDING THAT WE'RE, THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE INVESTIGATIONS NOT ON SINGLE CAR ACCIDENTS, TICKETS, UM, VEHICLES BEING TOWED.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THE INVESTIGATIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE THE DIAMOND ROSS'S, RIGHT? THE, UH, THE DONNELL LANES.
UM, AND I'M SURE THERE'S, I'M SURE THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT COME TO ME RIGHT AWAY ALONG WITH THE YOUNG LADY WITH THE PROTESTS, RIGHT? THAT GOT SHOT WHEN SHE WAS JUST CARRYING HER GROCERIES OUT OF THE STORE, MINDING HER OWN BUSINESS.
UM, THOSE ARE THE CASES WE WANT TO BE LOOKING AT.
THAT IS THE KIND OF WORK WE WANT TO DO.
AND, AND I'M VERY, VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET THERE.
SO, UM, ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT, ON THAT PIECE? ON THE OCTOBER COMPLAINTS? SEEING NONE.
BOARD MEMBER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
UM, I THINK MS. CHANDLER SENT OUT AN EMAIL, UM, ASKING FOR PEOPLE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, I, AND THIS IS UP FOR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DISCUSSION.
ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UM, IS IF YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING, PLEASE LET HER KNOW.
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS CREATE A PIECE OF PAPER FOR THE SAKE OF CREATING A PIECE OF PAPER THAT GOES IN THE BINDER THAT NEVER CHANGES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UM, SO IF YOU GET INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, JOHN, IF IF YOU'RE, IF YOU COME OUT AND PARTNER WITH D FOUR AND Y'ALL DO SOMETHING, JUST LET HER, JUST LET MS. CHANDLER KNOW THAT YOU TWO WORKED ON A, ON AN ITEM SO THAT SHE CAN ADD IT IN HERE SO IT CAN BE PROPERLY RECOGNIZED.
UM, WHAT WE, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS JUST KEEP PUTTING THE SAME OLD, TIRED STUFF.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ALL ADULTS, RIGHT? SO I'M NOT HERE TO PLAY.
I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND GO, OH, MR. HIGGINS, WHAT DID YOU DO IN D THREE? OH, OH, YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
LET, LET'S DO SOME WORK, RIGHT? AND, AND IF YOU DO THAT, PLEASE LET MS. CHANDLER KNOW.
UH, ALSO IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA PARTNER UP WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE DO THAT.
SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON BOARD MEMBER, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS, JUDGE? NO, NOT ON THAT.
UM, OUR NEXT MEETING IS DECEMBER 12TH, 2023.
THAT SHOULD BE THE SECOND TUESDAY.
UM, SO DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ONLINE OR IN THE ROOM? I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE ROOM.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU KNOW OF? KEVIN? NO, SIR.
NO ONE'S ONLINE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING.
NO ONE'S ONLINE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING.
BEFORE WE, UH, END THIS MEETING, LET ME POINT OUT THAT, UM, WHILE YOU DID DECLARE THAT WE HAD A QUORUM, YOU DID NOT TAKE ROLE.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT JUST FOR THE RECORD, ABSOLUTELY.
YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE ROLE.
AND HOW DID I HOW DID I MISS THAT? I HAVE THAT ON HERE.
YOU HAD A LOT ON YOUR PLATE, SIR.
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KNOW WHAT THAT IS? UH, THAT IS ONE THING THAT IS MISSING OFF MY LITTLE SHEET, MY LITTLE CHEAT SHEET.UM, LET'S DO A, UH, LET'S DO A QUICK ROLL CALL STARTING WITH DISTRICT ONE.
DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE, TIGER HIGGINS, DISTRICT FOUR.
CAROLYN, KING ARNOLD, DISTRICT FIVE.
DISTRICT SIX, DERRICK PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX.
I'M DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, ADAM BASIL DUA, DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, REPRESENTING THE AL ATKINS.
DISTRICT 12? IS IT COMING THROUGH? IT IS, YES, MA'AM.
UM, KARA MENDELSON'S DISTRICT.
PRESENT DISTRICT 13, BABY KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14 PRESENT AND PLACE 15.
AND NOW I KNOW I DIDN'T TAKE ROLE BECAUSE AS YOU WERE ALL WHILE YOU WERE ALL WALKING IN OR ON THE VIDEO, I WROTE ALL OF YOUR NAMES DOWN THAT WERE HERE
UM, AND ALSO I HAVE SEEN SOME BOARDS, SO I'VE SEEN SOME BOARDS THAT DON'T DO ROLL.
AND UM, SO IF Y'ALL, IF YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL WANT TO PASS ON THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, WE'RE DOING ROLL HERE.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DO IT.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
UM, ANY FURTHER, ANY FURTHER, UH, COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
UM, ON THE OCTOBER MEETING MINUTES, IT ACTUALLY HAS ME PRESENT.
IT NOT ONLY HAD ME PRESENT WHEN I WASN'T, BUT ALSO SECONDING A MOTION.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY DISCUSSION? YOU SEE NONE.
WE ADJOURNED AT 7:12 PM THANK YOU.