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I'M CALLING THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
FIRST BRIEFING ITEM IS THE DALLAS HOUSING BY NUMBERS.
HI. THANK YOU. CHAIR. GOOD MORNING.
I'M LAURA ERICKSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.
IN HER ROLE, ASHLEY LEADS THE HOUSING TEAM ON TRANSFORMATIVE SYSTEM LEVEL PROJECTS TO ENSURE THAT ALL FAMILIES HAVE ACCESS TO HOUSING THAT IS HEALTHY, SAFE, AFFORDABLE, STABLE AND IN A THRIVING COMMUNITY.
AND LISA IS AN ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AT BUILDING COMMUNITY WORKSHOP.
LISA IS HEADING PLANNING, HOUSING POLICY AND COMMUNITY CAPACITY BUILDING INITIATIVES OF BCC, WHICH IS A TEXAS BASED NONPROFIT COMMUNITY DESIGN SEEKER SEEKING TO IMPROVE THE LIVABILITY AND VIABILITY OF COMMUNITIES THROUGH THE THOUGHTFUL PRACTICE OF DESIGN AND MAKING.
AND I WELCOME YOU BOTH TO THIS MORNING.
IF WE COULD CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
I'M ASHLEY FLORES. I LEAD THE HOUSING TEAM AT THE CHILD POVERTY ACTION LAB.
I'M JOINED TODAY BY MY COLLEAGUES JOEY BLATT AND SOPHIE PHILLIPS.
WE SET OUT TO DO THE RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO FIRST CREATE A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF OUR LOCAL RENTAL MARKET, BUT ALSO TO BRING SPECIFICITY AND NUANCE TO OUR RENTAL HOUSING GAPS AND TO HELP THE LARGER HOUSING ECOSYSTEM CONSIDER AND RESPOND TO OUR MOST ACUTE AND URGENT NEEDS.
I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DATA, THAT WE KNOW THAT THE RENTAL MARKET IS JUST ONE PIECE OF THE BIGGER HOUSING PUZZLE, AND WE KNOW THERE ARE MANY OTHER ASPECTS THAT ARE ALSO URGENT AND DESERVE OUR ATTENTION, LIKE HOME OWNERSHIP, HOUSING QUALITY AND REPAIR.
BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS REPORT, WE WANTED TO START JUST WITH THE RENTAL HOUSING MARKET.
WE WANTED TO START WITH THE RENTAL MARKET BECAUSE MOST DALLAS HOUSEHOLDS ARE RENTERS.
IF YOU COULD CLICK TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WHAT WE FOUND ARE OUR BIGGEST TAKEAWAY WAS THAT FOR HOUSEHOLDS EARNING AT OR BELOW 50% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME, WHICH IS BETWEEN 44 AND $45,000 A YEAR FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR.
THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS AN AFFORDABLE RENTAL GAP OF 33,660 UNITS.
TO UNPACK THIS A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE, WHEN WE CONSIDER DEMAND, THE CITY OF DALLAS AGAIN BASED ON 2021 DATA, HAS AROUND 114,000 HOUSEHOLDS RENTER HOUSEHOLDS THAT WERE EARNING AT OR BELOW 50% AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
BUT THEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE RENTAL SUPPLY THAT WAS AFFORDABLE TO THEM, WE FOUND JUST OVER 80,000 RENTAL UNITS THAT WERE PRICED AFFORDABLY FOR THEIR BUDGET. AND WHAT WE MEAN BY PRICED AFFORDABLY WAS WE ASSUMED THAT THEY WOULD NOT SPEND MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME ON RENT.
AND SO THAT WAS SORT OF THE THRESHOLD.
THE IDEA IS HOPEFULLY NOT TO SPEND MORE THAN 30% OF YOUR INCOME ON YOUR RENT OR YOUR MORTGAGE.
SO THAT LEFT A GAP, THEN OF 33,660 UNITS.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT SUPPLY AND DEMAND BY HOUSEHOLD SIZE, WE FOUND THAT THE GAP IS PARTICULARLY PARTICULARLY WIDE FOR LARGER HOUSEHOLD SIZES OR WHAT WE ASSUME ARE FAMILIES.
SO FOR HOUSEHOLDS OF FOUR OR MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE EARNING AT OR BELOW 50% AMI, WE MADE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WERE POTENTIALLY LOOKING FOR A THREE BEDROOM RENTAL UNIT. BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THREE BEDROOM RENTAL UNITS THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE TO THEM AT OR BELOW 50% AMI, WE FOUND THAT WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT HALF OF WHAT WE
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NEED. AND SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE CHART AND IN THE TEXT THAT IN 2021, THERE WERE JUST 53 BEDROOM UNITS AFFORDABLE FOR HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 50%, AMI FOR EVERY 100 HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE THOSE FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS, THOSE HOUSEHOLDS WITH FOUR OR MORE PEOPLE.ANOTHER WAY TO CONSIDER HOW HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AFFECTS RENTERS IS TO LOOK AT SOMETHING CALLED THE HOUSING COST BURDEN RATE, WHICH IS THE SHARE OF RENTERS THAT ARE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR GROSS INCOME ON RENT.
AGAIN, THAT 30% IS SORT OF JUST A COMMONLY ACCEPTED STANDARD FOR HOUSEHOLD BUDGET.
NOW, AMONG ALL RENTERS, PERHAPS SOME HIGH INCOME RENTERS ARE CHOOSING TO SPEND MORE.
THEY FOUND THAT DREAM APARTMENT, AND SO THEY'RE SPENDING MORE.
AND THEIR BUDGET CAN HANDLE THAT.
BUT FOR MOST RENTERS, OUR HUNCH IS THAT THEY WOULD WOULD IDEALLY BE SPENDING LESS ON RENT.
THEY WOULD NOT LIKE TO BE HOUSING COST BURDEN.
SO SENIOR AMONG SENIOR RENTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, 55% ARE HOUSING COST BURDEN AT KPOW.
WE'RE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT RENTER HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN, WE FOUND THAT 54% ARE HOUSING COST BURDEN.
WE ALSO SET OUT TO FORECAST WHAT OUR RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS MIGHT BE IN 2030, ASSUMING THAT WE FOLLOW A SIMILAR PRODUCTIVE PRODUCTION TRAJECTORY, AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ANTICIPATED DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES, CHANGES IN WAGES.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT BY 2030, IN OUR FORECAST FOR HOUSEHOLD RENTER HOUSEHOLDS EARNING AT OR BELOW 50% AMI, WE FORECAST THAT THAT GAP BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND STANDS TO GROW BY 50,000 UNITS TO JUST OVER 83,000 UNITS.
PUT ANOTHER WAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE SLIDE IN OUR 2021 DATA, AMONG HOUSEHOLDS AT OR BELOW 50% AMI FOR EVERY 100 HOUSEHOLDS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 70 UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE TO THEM, 70 RENTAL UNITS AFFORDABLE TO THEM.
AGAIN, THE CHALLENGE IS PARTICULARLY ACUTE FOR THOSE LARGER HOUSEHOLD SIZES, THOSE FAMILIES THAT ARE LOOKING FOR RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE AT OR BELOW 50% AMI IN 2021, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE 50 AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR EVERY 100 HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE OF THAT BIGGER HOUSEHOLD SIZE.
BY 2030, WE PROJECT JUST 15 AFFORDABLE UNITS BY FOR THAT PARTICULAR GROUP.
IN OUR CURRENT DATA, WE FOUND THE GAP UP TO 50% AMI.
NEXT SLIDE. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON AND I SHOULD SAY THE REPORT.
THE FIRST IS THAT RAPID REGIONAL GROWTH IN THE METRO AREA.
THE SECOND IS THE PREVALENCE OF LOW WAGE JOBS.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT JOBS IN THE METRO AREA, WE FOUND THAT OUR MOST FREQUENT OCCUPATIONS JOBS SUCH AS ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT, MATERIALS AND TRANSPORTATION, MOVING RETAIL, FOOD SERVICE AND PREP THOSE MEDIAN ANNUAL WAGES ARE AROUND $40,000 A YEAR. ON THE SUPPLY SIDE, WE SAW INSUFFICIENT DELIVERY OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AND SOMETHING THAT WILL BE VERY FAMILIAR TO EVERYONE HERE A RAPID INCREASE IN RENTS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
NEXT SLIDE. I ALSO WANTED TO TOUCH ON A PIECE RELATED TO THAT SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN THE GAP BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND BY 2030 FOR HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE BELOW 50% AMI.
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NOAH. NOAH IS HOUSING THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION OR AN INCOME RESTRICTION.MAYBE IT WAS A DUPLEX OR A FOUR PLEX THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 80S, AND AT THE TIME WAS CONSIDERED A LUXURY RENTAL, AND THEN OVER TIME HAS BEEN MAINTAINED BUT NOT MAYBE UPGRADED WITH THE LATEST BELLS AND WHISTLES.
AND ONE IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF UPWARD ECONOMIC MOBILITY IS ACCESS TO RESOURCE RICH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE GREAT SCHOOLS, JOBS, TRANSIT, GROCERY STORES, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW A FAMILY NEEDS TO THRIVE.
SO, IN SUM, THE RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT POINTS TO A NUMBER OF NEEDS TO CONSIDER.
THE FIRST IS A BIG GAP BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND FOR VERY LOW INCOME RENTERS.
AND THE THIRD IS THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE CITYWIDE.
SO HAPPY TO MEET ONE ON ONE TO DO A DEEPER DIVE ANOTHER TIME IF THAT'S OF INTEREST.
AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO PREVIEW THAT.
WE'VE JUST RELEASED A COMPANION TOOL TO THE RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, A PRODUCTION CALCULATOR, TO HELP ILLUSTRATE HOW LOCAL GAP FUNDING CAN HELP SUPPORT PRODUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THAT CALCULATOR IS AT DALLAS HOUSING CALCULATOR.ORG.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE SEND OUT A LINK, BUT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE REPORT TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THOSE LOCAL COSTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO COMPLETE A CAPITAL STACK FOR NEW, AFFORDABLE PRODUCTION.
HERE. HI, MY NAME IS LISA NEERGAARD AND.
SO ALL THE DATA THAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A COMPARISON OF 2016 TO 2021.
NEXT SLIDE. AND SO WITHIN THAT NEXT SLIDE.
SO WITHIN THAT WE IDENTIFIED THREE KEY FINDINGS.
NEXT SLIDE. UNSURPRISINGLY, THE FIRST ONE IS THAT HOUSING IS INCREASINGLY UNATTAINABLE FOR THOSE MAKING AT OR NEAR MEDIAN INCOME.
NEXT SLIDE. AND SO THE FIRST FIRST THE INDICATOR.
THIS IS THE COMPARISON OF HOME VALUES FROM 2016 TO 2021.
SO WE USED HOME VALUE OR ASSESSED HOME VALUE AS A PROXY FOR SALES PRICE, MOSTLY BECAUSE SALES PRICE CAN FLUCTUATE WILDLY.
AND THIS PROVIDES US A LITTLE BIT MORE STABLE OF A NUMBER.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IN MANY CASES, THE SALES PRICE IS HIGHER THAN THE ASSESSED VALUE.
AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HOME THAT WAS ROUGHLY AFFORDABLE TO THOSE MAKING AROUND 35,000.
SO THE NUMBER THAT ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED AS THAT KIND OF ADMIN OR SERVICE WORKER, WE ACTUALLY HAD A SURPLUS OF HOMES VALUED AT THAT IN 2016, AND WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE.
NEXT SLIDE. BUT WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTING TO US IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOMES AVAILABLE TO THOSE AT THE MEDIAN INCOME, SO WITHIN THAT 50 TO $75,000 RANGE, WE SEE ROUGHLY A 16,000 UNIT DEFICIT.
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UNITS THAT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE OR AFFORDABLE TO THAT INCOME BRACKET, THAT THAT GAP GROWS WHEN YOU EXPAND THE INCOME FROM 35 TO 100,000.AND THEN THAT GAP GROWS TO ABOUT 60,000 UNITS.
SO WE'RE SEEING SIMILAR TO THE RENTAL MARKET, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE POTENTIALLY ENOUGH HOUSING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING AFFORDABLE TO OUR MEDIAN AND LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
NEXT SLIDE. AND AS MENTIONED, NO HOUSING IS COMMONLY ASSOCIATED WITH HOUSING BUILT BETWEEN THE 1940S TO 1990S. IS KIND OF A ROUGH CALCULATION.
IN BETWEEN 19 2016 AND 2021, DALLAS LOST AROUND 6000 SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOME CONDO UNITS THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE 1987.
SO WE'RE SEEING DEMOLITIONS OR EVEN SOMETIMES MOSTLY DEMOLITIONS OF HOUSES IN THAT AGE RANGE, WHICH MEANS THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT MAYBE HAVE SLIGHTLY LOWER INCOME AND WANTED TO GET A FIXER UPPER TO INVEST AND BUILD EQUITY IN A HOME NOW NO LONGER HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THE HOUSING STOCK IS GONE.
NEXT SLIDE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT DALLAS THE MAKEUP OF DALLAS HOUSEHOLDS, THE CATEGORY WHERE WE SAW THE LARGEST GROWTH WAS IN THE 1% HOUSEHOLD. THIS IS NOW.
THIS NOW COMPRISES ROUGHLY A THIRD OF DALLAS'S POPULATION.
DALLAS AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE IS NOW 2.49, WHICH IS EVEN A SLIGHTLY SLIGHT DECLINE FROM 2016.
WE ALSO SAW THAT CHANGES AMONG OUR CHANGES AMONG OUR FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS AS WELL.
MOST NOTABLY, NOTABLY CHANGES.
THE MOST NOTABLE CHANGE WAS AMONG THE TWO PERSON HOUSEHOLD, WHICH GREW BY ROUGHLY 9000 HOUSEHOLDS.
AND SO AS YOU SEE THAT CAN ALSO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST YOUNG PEOPLE THAT'S ALSO COMPROMISED.
THAT'S EVEN JUST ADULTS THAT ARE NOT HAVING CHILDREN.
THAT'S BECOMING A LARGER SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION.
NEXT SLIDE. SO DESPITE OUR HOUSEHOLDS GETTING SMALLER, DALLAS HOMES ARE ACTUALLY INCREASING IN SIZE AND THE NUMBER AND THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS THAT ARE BEING BUILT.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE'RE SEEING INCREASES IN SMALLER LOT SIZES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT THAT LAND IS A DRIVER OF HOUSING COST.
AND SO WE'RE SEEING THAT REFLECTED IN WHAT'S IN BEING BUILT.
AND SO YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING A MORE AFFORDABLE PRODUCT.
YOU'RE JUST GETTING A BIGGER HOUSE ON A SMALLER ON A SMALLER LOT.
NEXT SLIDE. SO LASTLY I WANT TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT DALLAS CURRENT HOUSING MIX.
SO UNSURPRISINGLY, APARTMENTS IN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING CONTINUES TO BE THE BULK OF OUR HOUSING STOCK, MAKING UP ROUGHLY 47 AND 42%, RESPECTIVELY.
BUT WHEN WE FOCUS ON HOMEOWNERSHIP MEETING THE NEED OF NEEDS OF DALLAS CHANGING POPULATION, THE TRADITIONAL 3 TO 3 BED, TWO BATH SINGLE FAMILY HOME MAY NO LONGER MEET EVERYONE'S NEEDS.
SO THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR A GREATER VARIETY OF HOUSING STOCKS SUCH AS CONDOS, DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOMES, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN GROWTH AMONG THE OBVIOUSLY IN THE TOWNHOME SPACE.
SO THERE'S I THINK ALSO OPPORTUNITY FOR SMALLER TOWNHOMES.
SO TOWNHOMES THAT ARE ONLY 1000 OR 1200FT² AND A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
SO ALL OF THAT TO SAY IS THAT GREATER DIVERSITY, BOTH AMONG THE RENTAL MARKET AND THE HOME OWNERSHIP MARKET, AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE FOCUS ON AFFORDABILITY, COULD BEGIN TO ADDRESS OUR COLLECTIVE HOUSING CHALLENGES AT THE MOMENT.
AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR FOR THE PRESENTATION.
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IT WAS VERY INSIGHTFUL.WHEN I JUST REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT AT THE END OF THIS AGENDA, WE'LL BE GOING OVER OUR FORECAST TO DISCUSS UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. AS ALWAYS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEARING THOSE PRIORITIES OF MY COMMITTEE AND THOSE ON THE COUNCIL THAT WANT TO SEE SOMETHING PUT ON OUR DOCKET.
PLEASE JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO GET THAT ADDRESSED.
WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMEMBER WEST. THANK YOU, CHAIR.
THIS IS SOMETHING I HAD ASKED FOR AND PROBABLY OTHERS.
AND I KNOW YOU PRIORITIZE AS WELL.
MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR CPLE, SO I'LL START OFF WITH JUST A SHORT ONE FOR BWSI WORKSHOP DOES IS IN THE GAP THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN AVAILABILITY OF HOMES FOR HOME OWNERSHIP.
IS THERE ONE SINGLE TOOL THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN ALL OF YOUR RESEARCH THAT THAT CAN HELP CLOSE THE GAP? I KNOW THERE'S NO LIKE IT'S A CHIP AWAY KIND OF THING, BUT WHAT'S LIKE THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOL THAT WE COULD DO AS A CITY TO HELP PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET INTO HOMES, GET INTO HOMES. SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, AND THIS IS COMING MOSTLY FROM BCC'S WORK AS A ARCHITECTURE FIRM AND WORKING WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO BUILD THAT KIND OF MID DENSITY HOUSING.
SO I THINK A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE IS IN SOUTH FAIR IS PUTTING TOGETHER A PROJECT THAT IS A COMBINATION OF TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES.
IT WASN'T WITH IT WAS REALLY WITH KIND OF NUANCES WITHIN THE CODE THAT DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY BEING ANYTHING ABOVE THREE UNITS AND SINGLE FAMILY BEING ANYTHING BELOW.
SO WE COULDN'T DO SHARED PARKING AMONGST THIS KIND OF LIKE SMALLER UNIT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE HAD A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY, WE HAD TO INCREASE THE ALLEY BEHIND THE PROPERTY TO NOW BE ACCESSIBLE TO MULTIFAMILY.
SO IT WENT FROM LIKE 12FT TO LIKE 20FT.
SO ALL OF THOSE SMALL THINGS MAKE IT HARDER TO BUILD THAT MIX THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT WANTING.
SO I THINK, YES, THERE ARE SOME SOME ZONING PIECES THAT ARE IN THE WORKS, BUT REALLY THERE'S LIKE SMALLER NITTY GRITTY PIECES WITHIN THE CODE THAT THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP THAT WOULD FACILITATE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT BETWEEN REPLANTING THREE PROPERTIES INTO FIVE VERSUS PLATTING AN ENTIRE SUBDIVISION OF GREENFIELD. RIGHT.
SO I THINK THOSE TWO KIND OF PROCESS ORIENTED PIECES COULD DO A LOT FOR HELPING DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO BUILD MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS TO ACTUALLY DO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW.
ALMOST A YEAR IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES.
IT'S WORKING. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I COULD TALK LITERALLY ALL DAY ABOUT THAT TOPIC.
I KNOW THE CHAIR WILL CUT ME OFF, SO.
AND I'LL SAVE MY COLLEAGUES THE BRAIN DAMAGE ON THAT.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS COMPREHENSIVE CODE REFORM HAPPENING.
I WOULD RATHER NOT WAIT 2 OR 3 FOUR YEARS FOR THAT TO BE DONE.
WHILE WE WAIT FOR ALL THESE OTHER REFORMS TO COME THROUGH.
I WAS SHOCKED TO HEAR I MISSED THIS IN YOUR REPORT.
THE 56% 55% OF SENIORS WERE HOUSING COST BURDENED.
THAT'S THAT'S REALLY TERRIBLE.
DO YOUR DO YOUR PROJECTED DATA.
DOES THE PROJECTED DATA FOR 2030 ASSUME THAT OUR HOUSING PRODUCTION NUMBERS ARE BASICALLY STAYING THE SAME ON TRACK? LIKE WHAT ARE YOU BASING THAT OFF OF? WE BASED IT OFF OF A HISTORICAL AVERAGE.
SO I KNOW WE'VE IN THE RECENT YEARS HAVE BROUGHT ONLINE A LOT OF MECHANISMS TO INCREASE PRODUCTION.
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AND SO IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY A LITTLE SHORT OF WHERE WE MIGHT BE HEADED GIVEN THE MOMENTUM WE'VE HAD RECENTLY.BUT IT IS BASED ON A HISTORICAL AVERAGE.
OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY CONSIDER THE LITTLE BIT OF A JUMP WE HAD WITH OUR PFC DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S LEAPFROGGED NOW THE TECH CONSTRUCTION WE'VE HAD, PFC DATA IS INCLUDED, BUT IT WOULD BE I THINK THROUGH I'D HAVE TO CHECK 2021 OR 2022, WHICH I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF PFC PROJECTS START TO COME IN. AND SO, SO NOT THE FULL BREADTH PROBABLY OF PFC THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
I DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THIS AGAIN IN LIKE THREE YEARS, ONCE WE'VE SEEN THE PFC PRODUCTION START TO ROLL OUT, BECAUSE I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE HOPEFUL THAN THAN IT IS ON. YES. WELL, AND GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE ACTUALLY PLANNING TO RERUN THIS ANALYSIS EVERY YEAR SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OVER TIME.
AND SO WE'LL RELEASE ANOTHER AN UPDATE TO THIS THAT WILL INCLUDE MORE OF THAT DATA IN MID 2024.
GOTCHA. AND WHILE YOU GUYS WERE SETTING UP THIS IS REALLY FOR THOR AND THE TEAM.
I WAS READING THROUGH THE DALLAS DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033, I THINK IT'S CALLED.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S COMING AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PIECE.
IS THAT STILL CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY.
I FEEL LIKE WITH ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN AND DIGESTED WITH CPPL, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IN ANY WAY AGAINST BK WORKSHOP, I JUST I SPENT MORE TIME WITH CFPL'S DATA.
I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD BE SOME GOOD BENCHMARKS FOR US.
AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE AS A COUNCIL, DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO ADOPT CFPL'S DATA AS TARGETS, HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT THAT? GOOD MORNING, HANNAH MINTON WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO IN ADDITION TO DETERMINING HOW AND WHERE KEPPEL'S DATA WOULD FIT INTO THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033, A RESOLUTION WOULD NEED TO BE DRAFTED INDICATING THE PURPOSE OF ADOPTING THESE NUMBERS AND HOW THESE NUMBERS WOULD BE USED BY THE CITY.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, SO I WILL DEFER TO THEM ON THIS, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT WOULD DO THAT ANALYSIS AND DRAFT A RESOLUTION, AND IN THAT RESOLUTION INCLUDE WHETHER ANY PART OF THE DHP 2033 NEEDS TO BE AMENDED.
GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. AND I'LL JUST WRAP UP BY ASKING THOR, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER, OR DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH THOSE TARGETS TO BENCHMARK FOR CONSTRUCTION OVER TIME? SO I'LL START AND I'LL HAND IT OVER TO CYNTHIA FOR SOME OF THIS.
WE'VE USED DATA FROM BOTH REPORTS AND HELPING UNDERSTAND OUR INFORMING THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE BOND SUBCOMMITTEE ON ON HOUSING ACTIVITY, PART OF OUR CURRENT EFFORTS THAT LAUNCHED LAST WEEK AND CONTINUES TONIGHT, IS IDENTIFYING OUR TARGET STRATEGY AREAS FOR CONCENTRATED INVESTMENT FROM THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT. WHEN WE UNDERSTAND THOSE AREAS, A DEEP DIVE INTO THE DATA WILL BE WILL BE DONE.
AND WE DO PLAN TO PARTNER WITH BOTH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO UNDERSTAND THE ON GROUND CONDITIONS, BECAUSE IT CAN HELP INFORM WHAT'S NEEDED IN THOSE MARKETS, SO WE CAN BETTER RECRUIT DEVELOPERS TO BUILD WHAT'S NEEDED.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ADOPTING A DIFFERENT DATA SET, I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO CYNTHIA.
YEAH. CYNTHIA ELLICKSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.
WE USE VARIOUS SOURCES FOR DATA.
WE CERTAINLY INCLUDE THESE SOURCES AS WELL.
AND KEEPING IN MIND A LOT OF OUR FUNDING SOURCES ARE FEDERAL.
SO WE USE OUR ACTUAL COUNTS IN THOSE CON PLANS AND CAPER AND ACTION PLANS WHEN WE COUNT UP WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PRODUCE WITH THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
SO IT IS A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT DATA SOURCES THAT WE USE AND CERTAINLY.
LOOKING AT ADOPTING IT IN OUR DPI 33 CAN BE DONE.
I'LL WRAP UP WITH JUST A COMMENT.
THANK YOU. CHAIR. THE SO EVERYTHING YOU SAID I UNDERSTAND AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S HOUSING'S MISSION AND YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB WELL BUT YOU'RE BASICALLY PUTTING OUT THERE WHAT YOU CAN DO, NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING TO MEET THE GOALS OF THE CITY.
AND THEN THAT WILL TELL US WHAT YOU NEED IN TERMS OF RESOURCES THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING.
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BUT WE GOT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY THAT.COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING US THROUGH THIS.
SO ALONG THIS SAME LINE OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WEST IS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.
AS I LOOKED AT THIS, AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A HOST OF ACRONYMS AS VARIABLES ON, ON THESE REPORTS.
SO I COULD LOOK UP SOME, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
I AM WONDERING ABOUT SOME EXTERNAL FACTORS ON THIS AND WHETHER IT PLAYED A ROLE OR NOT, SUCH AS AREA HOUSING GROWTH ON OUR ADJACENT COMMUNITIES LIKE FARMERS BRANCH OR DUNCANVILLE.
I MEAN, I JUST AS WE LOOK AT THIS, WHAT I WONDER ABOUT IS, IS THIS A VACUUM OR WILL THERE BE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OFFSET THE FACT THAT, I MEAN, THERE MAY BE PEOPLE WE HOPE THEY WANT TO STAY IN DALLAS, BUT THE REALITY IS THERE IS HOUSING BEING CONSTRUCTED ALL AROUND US THAT MIGHT HELP WITH THE MARKET PRICING UNDERSTANDING. WE STILL HAVE A HUGE INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING IN.
AND SO HOW DO THOSE KINDS OF FACTORS PLAY A ROLE IN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE FUTURE WHEN YOU GET TO THIS 80,000 UNIT GAP? THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS.
WE. THIS ANALYSIS WAS FOCUSED ON THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO WE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT OF THE REGIONAL CONTEXT, BUT NOT IN FULL.
IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD STUDY MORE FOR OUR NEXT ITERATION TO SEE SORT OF PATTERNS THAT ARE GOING ON IN ADJACENT CITIES, AND HOW THAT'S IMPACTING THE OVERALL REGION.
I DO KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME ANALYSIS, SORT OF AT THE COUNTY LEVEL IN THE REPORT.
AND ONE ONE SMALL NOTE THAT I'LL MAKE IS WE DID SEE AMONG OUTMIGRATION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS IS THAT THOSE ARE TEND TO BE LARGER HOUSEHOLD SIZES THAT ARE MOVING OUT OF THE COUNTY AND MOVING INTO ADJACENT COUNTIES.
WE CAN'T SAY WHY OR WHAT'S MOTIVATING, IF IT'S HOUSING OR SOME OTHER REASON WHY THEY'RE MOVING OUT, BUT WE SAW A SLIGHTLY LARGER HOUSEHOLD SIZE MOVING OUT THAN MOVING IN, WHICH ALSO ALIGNS WITH WITH LISA'S DATA.
BUT WE CAN LOOK MORE SPECIFICALLY AT THOSE ADJACENT CITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND HOW THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTING THE TOTAL SORT OF INVENTORY IN OUR NEXT REPORT. AS FAR AS AS WAGES AND JOBS, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
YOU KNOW, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS A FUNCTION OF PRICE AND INCOME.
YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING PRICE AND ALSO INCOME.
AND SO THINKING ABOUT SORT OF WHAT THAT HOUSING WAGE IS, WHAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO EARN IN ORDER TO AFFORD A RENT OR MORTGAGE WITHOUT SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME IS PARAMOUNT IN THE CONVERSATION.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT BETWEEN THE COLLEGE DISTRICT, THE DISD AND THEIR CAREER INSTITUTES AND P TECH AND TECH PROGRAMS, THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME STATISTICS ACCUMULATING AROUND THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE'VE GOT CAREER INSTITUTES CHURNING OUT 1600 STUDENTS A YEAR, GRADUATES THAT WITH FOUR CERTIFICATIONS EACH, THAT'S GOING TO START TO CHANGE OUR ECONOMIC MOBILITY. AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE GO INTO THE SOUP TO JUST SEE WHAT THE BIGGER PICTURE MIGHT BE ON THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'VE GOT MANY TURNING TO THE CITY TO SAY YOU NEED TO FUND ALL OF THIS.
AND SO WHAT'S THE PRIVATE SECTOR ROLE? WHAT'S THE MARKET DOING? WHAT IS OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT DOING, OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT DOING TO HELP, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COME TOGETHER ON THIS TO HELP US GET TO A SOLUTION THAT WE NEED.
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT TO FACTOR IN OTHER PARTIES BESIDES JUST THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS, I'M ALSO THINKING WE JUST SEEM ON THE PRECIPICE OF, YOU KNOW, CLOSING THIS GAP WHILE, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE TO 2030, IT'S ALSO WIDENING.
SO THEN YOU LOOK AHEAD AND TO THE POINT THAT WAS MADE ON PFCS.
HFCS ARE 14 DIFFERENT INCENTIVE PROGRAMS. AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS THE NUMBERS RUN NEXT YEAR, I'M HOPING WE SEE A BIG IMPACT ON WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AND WHAT THE
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WORK OF OUR HOUSING GROUP IS, IS DOING.SO WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE WHAT THE DATA LOOKS LIKE NEXT YEAR.
I THINK THE THE CHALLENGE IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE THE GAP BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND, THE CHALLENGES IS MOST ACUTE FOR THE LOWEST INCOME RENTERS.
AND WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THE HARDEST TO BUILD FOR.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT IS NEXT QUESTION IS LOOKING AT OUR PRODUCTION PIPELINE.
AND THEN WHAT INCOMES ARE WE BUILDING FOR AND WHAT NEW TOOLS OR LEVERS ARE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING THE LOWEST INCOME RENTERS WHO ARE HAVING THE HARDEST TIME FINDING AFFORDABLE UNITS? AND AS WE SIT HERE WITH A BOND LOOMING AND UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE DIRECTING OUR DOLLARS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WHERE BOND DOLLARS MIGHT BE DIRECTED, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT, IS WHAT IS WHAT IS THE GAP THAT NO ONE IS ADDRESSING, THAT ONLY THE CITY COULD BE ABLE TO STEP IN AND ADDRESS AND LET SOME OF THE OTHER EXTERNAL FACTORS MANAGE THEM.
THE OTHER PIECES OF THIS, AND YOU BROUGHT UP SOME GREAT POINTS AROUND THE ZONING, JUST SOME OF THE TWEAKS THAT COULD BE MADE THAT, YOU KNOW, 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO MIGHT HAVE MADE SENSE ABOUT HOW WIDE THIS ALLEY IS OR ABOUT NOT HAVING SHARED PARKING ON DUPLEXES OR TRIPLEXES.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.
I JUST I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW WE EXPAND.
BAND THE SCOPE A LITTLE BIT TO TO GET TO THAT.
WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING PART OF THIS EQUATION.
THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACIE.
THANK YOU CHAIR. FIRST, I WANTED TO JUST COMMEND COUNCILMEMBER WEST.
YOU WERE ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
THE OTHER THING WAS, I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THAT THAT CHART IN THERE, SHOWING THAT THE LOW INCOME IS PREDOMINANTLY IN SOUTHERN DALLAS THERE I'M. THE THINGS I THINK THE QUESTION SOME OF THE DATA AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EVEN SOMETHING YOU CAN MEASURE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CONSTANTLY RUNS IN MY HEAD AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT ON AVERAGE, HOW LONG ARE PEOPLE STAYING IN THOSE HOUSING TYPES.
AND THEN IF POSSIBLE, WHERE DO THEY GO? SO I START IN LOW INCOME, STAY THERE THREE YEARS.
AND THEN I MOVED TO MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY GEOGRAPHICALLY MOVE TO ANOTHER PLACE, BUT IF THEY ARE MOVING WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHAT ARE THEY MOVING TO? WHAT TYPES OF HOMES ARE THEY MOVING TO? I GUESS I'LL START THERE. THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION.
I DO KNOW WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT, BUT I DO KNOW I BELIEVE IT'S AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY OR AMERICAN HOUSING SURVEY DOES INCLUDE A QUESTION ON IF YOU'VE MOVED IN THE LAST YEAR.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO KNOW WHERE THEY GO.
I KNOW THAT'S A HARDER QUESTION TO ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW, LISA, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD.
NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT THE TENURE OR HOW LONG SOMEONE IS STAYING IN A HOME, PARTICULARLY IN THE OWNERSHIP SPACE, IS GETTING LONGER.
AND THAT IS ALSO KIND OF THIS IS ACTUALLY A PIECE OF OUR HOUSING CHALLENGE AT THE MOMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED A LONG TIME FOR PEOPLE AGING IN PLACE, AND I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THAT, WHICH IS MAYBE GREAT FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILY, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY KIND OF OPENING UP KIND OF LARGER HOMES OR FAMILY SIZED HOMES FOR FOLKS THAT ARE NOW 1 OR 2 PEOPLE. RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SEEING THAT TRANSITION IN THE HOUSING STOCK QUITE AS MUCH.
PEOPLE ARE NOW LOOKING AT HOMES THEY BOUGHT WITH THEIR 3% INTEREST LOAN.
AND SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THAT KIND OF MATCH THAT WE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE IN QUITE A BIT OF A MISMATCH AT THE MOMENT, WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF ONE AND TWO PEOPLE IN THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM HOMES, AND THAT'S CREATING A CHALLENGE FOR LARGER FAMILIES, NOT ONLY FINDING HOMES THAT FIT THEIR NEEDS, BUT ALSO FINDING HOMES THAT FIT THEIR NEEDS THAT THEY CAN AFFORD, BECAUSE THAT THERE'S JUST NOT AS MUCH OF IT ON THE MARKET BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STAYING PUT.
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I UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD WHICH, AND I APPRECIATE YOU FRAMING IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY TAKES ME TO MY, I THINK, LAST QUESTION THERE.AND THAT'S REALLY LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN, THE SENIORS THAT 55% ARE HOUSING COST BURDEN.
SO IN THIS, THE OTHER PIECE I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IS HOUSING SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR THAT'S THE INDEPENDENT LIVING FOR 55 PLUS AND ONE.
HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THE HOUSING STOCK.
AND THEN TWO FROM THE AFFORDABILITY PERSPECTIVE.
SO AGAIN THAT LOOKING AT THAT 55% LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A NEED THERE.
SO JUST A COMMENT REALLY UNLESS YOU HAVE A STATEMENT.
NO I'M MAKING A LONG LIST OF THE DATA QUESTIONS WE WILL ANSWER FOR YOU IN THE NEXT REPORT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
I REALLY LOVE THIS REPORT AND THE MORE IN DEPTH ONE THAT WAS POSTED EARLIER.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU THOUGH, AND IF THERE ARE TOO WILD, LET ME KNOW.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT THE 30% AS AFFORDABLE.
AND THIS IS SORT OF A STANDARD NUMBER.
THE CENSUS USES IT LOTS OF LOTS OF.
LOTS OF RESEARCH REPORTS USE THAT 30%.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE THIS ALL MODELED OUT AND PEOPLE ARE PAYING MORE THAN 30% FOR HOUSING.
WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF YOU USE 35% TO SAY, COST BURDENED OR EVEN 40%? LIKE, IS THERE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE CLOSE TO THE 30%? OR IS IT THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY AT LIKE 60% IS WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION.
WE DIDN'T LOOK INTO THAT, BUT DEFINITELY COULD CONSIDER HOW CLOSE OR HOW FAR AWAY ARE WE? WE THERE IS SOME DATA IN THE RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT ON THE SHARE OF RENTERS THAT ARE CONSIDERED SEVERELY COST BURDENED, MEANING THEY'RE SPENDING MORE THAN 50% OF THEIR INCOME ON RENT.
BUT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT NUANCE.
SO ANOTHER ANOTHER GOOD QUESTION TO ADD TO MY LIST.
BUT THERE IS A THERE IS A DATA POINT IN THE FULL REPORT ABOUT SEVERELY COST BURDENED RENTERS.
SO LIKE SENIOR RENTERS, ARE YOU COMBINING WHEN IT'S A COUPLE AND WHEN IT'S A SINGLE OR.
HOW IS THAT PART WORKING? I'M ASSUMING RENTER HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN.
IS IMPLYING THEN THAT THERE'S TWO ADULTS OR TWO EARNERS.
AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR FOR THE RACIAL NUMBERS AS WELL? SO THIS DATA COMES FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.
AND SO I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC DEFINITION OF HOUSEHOLD IN THIS CONTEXT.
AND IF IT'S I BELIEVE IT'S BASED ON WHO IS THE KIND OF THE PRIMARY HOUSEHOLDER.
BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU TO LET YOU KNOW SORT OF THE BREAKDOWN AS FAR AS THE BREAKDOWN OF HOUSING COST BURDEN BY RACE THAT I THINK IS BASED ON THE HOUSEHOLDER, THE LEAD HOUSEHOLDER WHO'S RESPONDING TO THE SURVEY.
SO IT'S NOT IMPLYING THE SIZE OF THE HOUSEHOLD THERE.
THAT'S FOR ALL ALL RENTER HOUSEHOLDS THAT IDENTIFY AS BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC 35 AND BELOW.
IT'S NOT A SUBSET OF THE FAMILY, THE HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN DATA.
DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'VE SEEN A SHIFT OF HOUSEHOLDS LED BY A SINGLE, AS OPPOSED TO TWO EARNERS OR TWO ADULTS? WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT, BUT CERTAINLY COULD.
AND ON THE RENTAL SIDE, I DON'T KNOW.
LISA, DID YOU LOOK AT THAT SHIFT IN 1 OR 2 INCOME EARNERS ON THE HOME OWNERSHIP SIDE? SOMETHING TO ADD TO OUR LIST.
UM, I GUESS MY INTEREST IS IN UNDERSTANDING NOT JUST DALLAS.
SO I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS WAS ASKING MORE ABOUT DALLAS COUNTY, AND I'M WONDERING IF, UM.
AND SO I'D BE VERY INTERESTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT AVAILABILITY.
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UM, THE NEXT THING I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT IS ON PAGE FIVE.I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT'S SO SURPRISING FROM WHAT WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME AT COUNCIL WHERE THERE'S A VERY BIG PUSH FOR 80% AMI BUT REALLY, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE NEED THE HOUSING.
SO CAN YOU SPEAK AT ALL TO OUR NEED FOR 30 AND 50% AMI VERSUS OUR NEED FOR AN 80 TO 100% AMI? YES. THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
SO THE THE GRAPH ON SLIDE FIVE REALLY IS ILLUSTRATING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUPPLY AND DEMAND BY INCOME LEVEL.
AND I THINK TO LISA'S EARLIER POINT, ON PAPER, IF YOU'RE JUST COUNTING THE NUMBER OF RENTAL UNITS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE NUMBER OF RENTAL HOUSEHOLDS, TECHNICALLY WE HAVE ENOUGH RENTAL UNITS FOR OUR RENTER HOUSEHOLD POPULATION ON PAPER.
THAT'S WHY, YOU SEE, AT THE SORT OF THAT BLUE BAR THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING FOR ALL OF OUR RENTER HOUSEHOLDS, JUST ON PAPER.
THE CHALLENGE TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN, IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PRICE POINT OF THOSE RENTAL UNITS, WHAT ARE THEY RENTING FOR AND ARE THEY AFFORDABLE TO DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS? AND SO WHAT WE FOUND IN THE DATA IS THAT THE SHORTAGE IS REALLY AT OR BELOW 50% AMI.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE BIGGEST NEED.
THE CHALLENGE, THOUGH, PARTICULARLY IN THIS HOUSING MARKET, IS THAT WE'RE INCREASINGLY SEEING HIGHER INCOME RENTERS REMAIN RENTERS LONGER INSTEAD OF MOVING INTO HOME OWNERSHIP.
AND SO THEY ARE PUTTING PRESSURE KIND OF A DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON THE HOUSING MARKET.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY'RE STAYING RENTERS LONGER.
SO THE CHALLENGE IS THAT EVEN THOUGH SOMEONE MIGHT BE EARNING 80% AMI, AND TECHNICALLY THERE ARE ENOUGH UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE TO THEM ON THE MARKET, THOSE UNITS MIGHT BE OCCUPIED BY A HIGHER INCOME EARNER AND THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS A UNIT.
SO SO THAT'S ONE SORT OF CAVEAT TO THIS, IS THAT THERE ARE FOLKS NOT NOT EVERYONE NEATLY SORTS INTO AN AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNIT BASED ON THEIR INCOME. HOWEVER, EVEN WITH THAT, YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE GAP IS SIGNIFICANT FOR OUR LOWEST INCOME RENTERS AT OR BELOW 50% AMI.
AND THAT IS THERE ARE SORT OF PARTICULAR CHALLENGES TO PRODUCING HOUSING AT THAT LEVEL.
SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CITY'S ROLE IN THE LARGER HOUSING ECOSYSTEM'S ROLE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE HOUSING, REALLY, THAT'S DEDICATED FOR LOWEST INCOME RENTERS, SINCE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A HUGE NEED THAT IS NOT BEING MET BY THE MARKET.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU RIGHT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING.
WHEN WE HAVE WE HAVE A LOT OF POVERTY AND WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF CLASS A LUXURY UNITS THAT HAVE COME ONLINE, PARTICULARLY IN RECENT YEARS, THAT ARE, ARE, ARE PRICED WAY FAR OUT OF REACH FOR LOW INCOME RENTERS.
SO BOTH BOTH A FUNCTION OF WAGES AND PRICE OF HOUSING.
VICE CHAIR DO YOU HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO AROUND TWO.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE TWO THAT I'M HOPING TO GET IN THIS QUICKLY FOR.
SLIDE SEVEN. HOW DID YOU DETERMINE WHAT AFFORDABLE WHAT NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE UNITS WOULD BE LOST? OH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR FRIENDS AT HRA TO RECALL THE METHODOLOGY.
I CAN LOOK IT UP AND THEN I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO THAT ONE OFFLINE WITH YOU.
AND THEN MY LAST ONE FOR THIS ROUND, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD BE SLIDE EIGHT.
I WOULD LOVE YOU TO HAVE ANOTHER MAP THAT DOES SHOW THE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE WHAT THIS MAP SHOWS IS THAT ALL THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IN SOUTHERN DALLAS. BUT THE REALITY IS THAT DISTRICT TEN AND DISTRICT 12 HAVE THE MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF YOU INCLUDE THE NATURAL OCCURRING.
AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME AND I WOULD LOVE ANOTHER ROUND.
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1000 A MONTH, I THINK WAS OUR THRESHOLD.OKAY. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE MAP THAT YOU SHOW ARE FOR UNITS THAT WERE BUILT AFTER, I BELIEVE, 1990.
AND IN MY DISTRICT, THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE BUILT IN THE 80S.
AND SO IT ACTUALLY SHOWS A VERY SMALL NUMBER, AND IT'S JUST NOT INDICATIVE OF THE REALITY.
AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S LOTS OF AVAILABILITY.
SO THEY'RE ONLY AT LIKE 90% OCCUPIED.
SO EVERYBODY WHO SAYS THERE'S NOWHERE TO FIND AFFORDABLE RENTS, YOU KNOW, COME ON UP TO DISTRICT 12.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF AFFORDABILITY AVAILABLE.
I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE SEEING HOMEOWNERSHIP AND THE RENTAL SIDE FEEL THAT SORT OF THAT AMERICAN DREAM THAT ONCE WAS HELD OF HOMEOWNERSHIP IS NOW EITHER UNATTAINABLE OR, TO YOUR POINT, NOT NEEDED ANYMORE.
THERE'S DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES, THERE'S DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS OF LIVING.
BUT I DO WANT TO TOUCH IN A LITTLE BIT ON DATA AND PRICE POINTS.
AND LOOKING AT THOSE AVERAGE ESTIMATES IN THE MEDIA, JUST YESTERDAY OR TODAY, WE WERE SEEING A 14 UNIT HIGH RISE ON TURTLE CREEK WITH ONLY 14 UNITS.
AND SO WE HAVE SOME VERY HIGH END LUXURY DWELLINGS, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME AT THE 30% AMI.
AND SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THAT AVERAGE IS ACCUMULATED.
IS IT A TRUE NUMBER? ON THE ON THE AVERAGE RENTAL UNIT COST ON THE.
CAN YOU POINT TO A IS IT ON A.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE PAGE IN FRONT OF ME.
BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE HAVE SOME UNITS THAT ARE VERY UNATTAINABLE, IF YOU WILL, AND SOME THAT ARE, AND SO ARE WE SIMPLY TAKING THE AVERAGE OR IS IT A TRUE, IS IT A MEDIAN THAT YOU ALL ARE GETTING AT? OUR PREFERENCE IS USUALLY TO USE THE MEDIAN SO THAT WE'RE NOT SORT OF SKEWED BY THOSE OUTLIERS.
I'D HAVE, DEPENDING ON WHAT SPECIFIC STAT IT MIGHT VARY.
AND THEN WE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE IS LESS TYPICALLY PARENTS NOWADAYS ARE HAVING FEWER CHILDREN.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, NOW WE'RE HAVING ADULT CHILDREN ALSO STAYING AND LIVING WITH THEIR PARENTS.
SO IS THAT ALSO TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT WOULD BE REFLECTED IN THOSE LARGER HOUSEHOLD SIZES.
SO WE CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE FROM THE ACS DATA.
WHAT WHAT'S THE BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE ADULT RELATIONSHIP RELATIONSHIPS IN A HOME? IF IT'S A ROOMMATE SITUATION OR WE GET SOME DATA FROM ACS ON THAT, BUT NOT SURE.
NOT ALL OF IT. SO THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE REFLECTED IN SOME OF THE BIGGER HOUSEHOLD SIZES.
COULD BE ADULT CHILDREN LIVING AT HOME.
WE SAW AN INTERESTING GROWTH, SO DECLINE IN THE THREE AND FOUR PERSON HOUSEHOLD, BUT A GROWTH IN THE FIVE PERSON HOUSEHOLD, WHICH MAY INDICATE ONE THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A FEW MORE PEOPLE ARE HAVING MORE KIDS, BUT IT ALSO COULD INCLUDE PEOPLE TAKING IN PARENTS, ADULT CHILDREN, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I THINK ALSO ADDITIONALLY IN OUR NON FAMILY KIND OF GROUPINGS.
SO THAT'S PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT RELATED.
WE DID SEE GROWTH WITHIN THAT THREE AND FOUR PERSON HOUSEHOLD.
SO YOU HAVE NOW MORE NON-RELATED INDIVIDUALS COHABITATING OR LIVING IN THE SAME PLACE AGAIN, EXCITED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A RUNNING ANALYSIS ONGOING YEAR AFTER YEAR.
AND SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION WITH THAT, WITH HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS FOR OUR STAFF HERE AT CITY HALL IS HOW OFTEN ARE WE UPDATING THAT INFORMATION? BECAUSE I FOUND AREAS WHERE I BELIEVE IS A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA AT AT THAT VERY MOMENT.
BUT WHEN WE ARE EVALUATING IT, IT DOESN'T SCORE AT THAT CRITERIA.
BUT TWO YEARS LATER IT'S THERE.
BUT BY THAT TIME IT'S TOO LATE.
THOSE LAND PRICES ARE TOO EXPENSIVE TO TRY TO DO AND PENCIL OUT A DEAL.
SO WHEN DID WE DO THE LAST UPDATE? SO LAST NBA UPDATE WAS DONE IN 2019.
AND IT TELLS US OUR MARKET CONDITION.
WE JUST COMPLETED AN UPDATE OF THAT.
AND WE'LL BE SENDING THAT TO YOU ALL IN A FRIDAY MEMO IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND WE'LL BE ASKING FOR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS AT YOUR REQUEST TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I DO BELIEVE IN DENSITY, AND I DO BELIEVE IN TRYING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN ONE AREA.
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50% BELOW AMI AND ARE MAYBE 2 OR 3 BEDROOMS. THEY GET WIPED OUT WITH A 300 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX AT ONE BEDROOM ONLY AT THE 80% AMI.SO YEAH, WE'RE GETTING MORE DENSITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALSO HURTING THOSE WHO TRULY NEED THAT THOSE RENTS AT 3,050%. AMI.
AND SO DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY WORDS OF HOW TO BALANCE THAT? THAT CERTAINLY IS REFLECTED IN THE FORT WHEN WE FORECASTED NEEDS TO 2030, THAT LOSS OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT THAT THOSE SORT OF FOUR PLEXES, EIGHT PLEXES THAT WERE BUILT DECADES AGO ARE INCREASINGLY VULNERABLE.
AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER A PRESERVATION, REPAIR, HOW TO MAINTAIN THAT STOCK WITHOUT ALSO LOSING THE AFFORDABILITY.
KNOW WHAT SUPPORTS DO PROPERTY OWNERS NEED OR HOW TO HOW TO MAINTAIN THAT PRICE POINT, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CONTINUES TO BE A DECENT, SAFE PLACE TO LIVE THAT'S NOT VULNERABLE, THEN TO MARKET PRESSURES THAT MIGHT SCOOP IT UP AND REPLACE IT WITH A BRAND NEW COMPLEX.
AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU TO CHAIRMAN WEST AND HIS.
COMMITTEE LOOKING INTO CITY OWNED PROPERTY WHERE THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ANY DISPLACEMENT.
FOR THE MOST PART THERE IS GOING TO BE VACANT LAND OR NOT HOUSES THERE.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT TOOL TO BE ABLE TO, TO UTILIZE SO THAT WE CAN HELP ATTRACT THAT 30%.
AMI. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT 50 IS A CHALLENGE WITHIN ITSELF, BUT 30 IS THAT MUCH IS PUSHING IT.
BUT THAT'S TRULY WHERE WE NEED IT.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR VOCALIZING THAT AND MAKING THAT A PRIORITY.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATING IN THE SUBURBS, THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE PROVIDING HOUSING FOR WORKERS IN THOSE BUSINESSES.
I THINK THAT IF WE DO THAT, WE'LL HAVE A MORE REALISTIC LOOK AT JUST WHAT KIND OF HOUSING DALLAS IS BEST SUITED TO PROVIDE, WHAT INCOME LEVELS.
IF WE GET AN OVERALL REGIONAL LOOK, THERE MAY BE SOME SUBURBS THAT HAVE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE LAND THAT ALSO HAVE PERHAPS LOWER CONSTRUCTION COSTS OR DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH MAKE IT LESS EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP HOUSING THERE.
SO I REALLY THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOLISTICALLY FROM A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
WITH REGARD TO SLIDE FIVE, THAT TELLS ME THAT WE HAVE AN EXCESS OF HOUSING AT THE 60% AMI LEVEL AND ABOVE.
AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE SEEN ANY EVIDENCE THAT THAT HAS TRANSLATED INTO, BECAUSE OF EXCESSIVE SUPPLY OVER DEMAND, A REDUCTION IN THE RENTAL RATES TO BRING THEM MORE INTO THE NATURALLY OCCURRING LOWER PERCENTAGE OF AMI HOUSING ARENA.
WE WE DIDN'T LOOK DEEPLY INTO THAT.
BUT FROM WHAT I DO KNOW, WE HAVEN'T SEEN SORT OF A DRAMATIC IMPACT ON RENTS BECAUSE OF THAT.
WELL, YOU MENTIONED THAT MUCH OF THE NEW HOUSING, PARTICULARLY IN NORTH DALLAS, IS AT THE UPPER INCOME LEVELS, THE UPPER RENT LEVELS, AND THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY BEING FILLED.
AND WHEN THOSE PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF THEIR EXISTING HOUSING, WHICH LIKELY IS OLDER, LESS EXPENSIVE HOUSING, DOESN'T THAT VACATE UNITS FOR THE LOWER AMI LEVELS? CERTAINLY IT CERTAINLY AS FOLKS MOVE OUT, IT VACATES UNITS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BEING SCOOPED UP BY SOMEONE AT A LOWER INCOME LEVEL.
I'LL I'LL GO TO IT REALLY QUICKLY SINCE IT'S RELEVANT IN THE FULL REPORT.
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ON PAGE 43 IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE FULL REPORT.SO IN 2011, 21% OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT WERE EARNING MORE THAN 100 K WERE RENTERS.
BUT BY 2021, 38% OF THOSE HIGH INCOME OVER 100 K HOUSEHOLDS WERE RENTERS.
SO WE'RE SEEING SO THE TWO NOTES ON THAT IS ONE, WE'RE SEEING FEWER PEOPLE VACATE THEIR RENTAL UNITS OR VACATING THEIR TENURE AS RENTERS AND MOVING INTO HOME OWNERSHIP.
BUT DOESN'T THAT LIBERATE SOME LOWER COST HOUSING THAT THEY OCCUPIED PREVIOUS TO THE NEW BUILDINGS BEING OCCUPIED? THAT, BECAUSE OF THE SURPLUS ABOVE 60% OF AMI REDUCES, PUTS DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON THE RENTS IN THOSE OLDER BUILDINGS TO MAKE THEM MORE AVAILABLE AT THE LOWER PERCENTAGE OF AMI.
IN THEORY, IN PERFECT MARKET CONDITIONS, IT MIGHT WORK LIKE THAT.
WE'D HAVE TO DIG IN TO SEE IF IT'S IF THAT'S ACTUALLY SHAKING OUT ON THE GROUND.
OKAY, I THINK THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE.
WHEN WE PROJECT OUT TO 2030, ARE WE TAKING THAT ECONOMIC MARKET CONDITION INTO ACCOUNT AND PROVIDING A TRULY ACCURATE PROJECTION OF WHAT CONDITIONS WILL BE LIKE IN 2030? NOW, A QUESTION FOR WORKSHOP.
LEE SAID THE 6000 FIGURE OF HOMES THAT WERE DEMOLISHED FROM, I THINK, 2016 TO 2021, YOU CHARACTERIZE THOSE AS A LOSS OF HOUSING STOCK, BUT WEREN'T THOSE REPLACED BY NEW HOUSING UNITS? SO I WOULD SAY I CHARACTERIZE IT AS A LOSS OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO AGAIN, AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, OLDER UNITS ARE TYPICALLY MORE AFFORDABLE.
AND SO WE LOST THAT MUCH STOCK IN THE IN THE OLDER RANGE.
AND SO THEY COULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED BY NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
THEY COULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED BY MULTIFAMILY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE REPLACED BY.
BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THE LOSS OF THAT OLDER HOUSING STOCK MEANS THAT KIND OF THAT.
MORE AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP OPTION GOES AWAY.
OKAY. OR I SHOULD SAY NON-SUBSIDIZED AFFORDABLE OPTION.
SO THE 6000 IS AT ALL AGES, ALL VALUES.
THAT'S JUST A GROSS NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WERE DEMOLISHED OVER THAT FIVE YEAR SPAN.
IS THAT RIGHT? OF HOMES THAT WERE OLDER THAN OR THEY WERE BUILT BEFORE 1987 FOR 1970, 87 OH 87 OKAY.
SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S OLDER HOUSING STOCK.
DOESN'T THAT LIBERATE OTHER UNITS THAT PERHAPS WERE OLDER AS WELL? IF WE INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF HOUSING AT A HIGHER INCOME LEVEL? THE BASIC PROPOSITION I'M VOICING IS DOESN'T THAT INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF LOWER COST HOUSING THAT THOSE HIGHER INCOME PEOPLE HAVE VACATED TO HAVE THE NEW SHINY HOUSE? SO THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT DATA IS QUITE SUPPORTING THAT.
I THINK WHAT THE DATA IS SUPPORTING IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR HOUSING STOCK IS GETTING NEWER, AND SO THERE ISN'T AN OLDER HOME THAT SOMEBODY IS VACATING THAT EITHER PEOPLE ARE STAYING IN THEIR HOMES LONGER, SO THAT HOME ISN'T BECOMING KIND OF RECYCLING INTO THE MARKET.
SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IS OR IS BEING TORN DOWN POTENTIALLY FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS HAPPENING IN A LOT OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, OR IT'S BEING REPLACED BY A MUCH LARGER NEW HOME.
BUT OVERALL, THE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOSS.
KIND OF GOING BACK TO THAT INITIAL SLIDE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOMES VALUED AT A CERTAIN RANGE, WE'RE SEEING FEWER HOMES VALUED ACROSS THE BOARD IN DALLAS AT A MORE AFFORDABLE RATE.
SO EITHER WE'RE JUST SEEING INCREASE.
IT'S A COMBINATION LIKE WE'RE SEEING INCREASE IN VALUES ACROSS YOU KNOW OVERALL.
BUT WE'RE ALSO SEEING A LOSS IN TERMS OF DEMO OF THOSE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK.
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THANK YOU. I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THIS SLIDE.THIS IS THE HOME OWNERSHIP SLIDE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER ON IT.
AND I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING SOMEBODY IN THAT INCOME RANGE.
I'M NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT A HOME THAT.
PARDON ME? THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE TO A HOME.
A PERSON IN THAT HOME IN THAT INCOME BRACKET.
SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT SOMEBODY IN A 25,000 TO 35,000 INCOME BRACKET SHOULD NOT OWN A HOME, BECAUSE IF SOMETHING DIFFICULT HAPPENS, YOUR AIR CONDITIONING GOES OUT. YOU NEED A NEW ROOF.
YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT ABLE TO AFFORD THE MAINTENANCE OF THE HOME.
MY LAST QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HOUSEHOLD SIZE.
I JUST KEEP GOING BACK TO THIS.
DOES THAT MEAN LESS EARNERS TO HELP PAY FOR HOUSING? YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE ARE BIGGER HOUSEHOLD SIZES, DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S MORE EARNERS? AND, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE BE RECOMMENDING PEOPLE MAYBE GET A ROOMMATE SO THEY CAN AFFORD HOUSING? AND THE LAST THING IS THERE IS NO MENTION OF SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY HOUSING.
I THINK THIS IS A TYPE OF HOUSING THAT'S COMPLETELY MISSING IN DALLAS.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAD COMMENTS ABOUT THAT SINGLE ROOM.
ARE YOU SORRY? ARE YOU REFERRING TO SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY AS IN SROS? YEAH. I MEAN, ON THE ON THE OWNERSHIP SIDE, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW ON THE RENTER SIDE.
OKAY. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE SRO DATA IN THIS REPORT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL IT IN TO THE NEXT ONE, OR HOW YOU THINK IT MIGHT SOLVE SOME OF OUR MOST AFFORDABLE NEEDS.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S JUST THIS GAP OF PEOPLE COULD SELF SUSTAIN AT A VERY LOW RENT FOR A VERY MINIMAL SIZE UNIT WHERE IT DOESN'T NEED A SUBSIDY.
THANK YOU FOR AGAIN, THIS IS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
I'LL TAKE YOU UP ON YOUR OFFER TO MEET INDEPENDENTLY.
THANK YOU. SO THIS JUST MADE ME THINK A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY WHEN IT COMES TO SENIORS.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF AGING IN PLACE, THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
OH, WE NEED TO ALLOW THAT AND LET SOMEONE CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
AND CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE THEIR CHOICE.
BUT IT IS, AS YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PORTFOLIO OF NEED, AS WELL AS JUST THE WHOLE SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL ASPECT OF A SENIOR WHO IS HOUSE RICH BUT MAYBE ATTENTION POOR, BEING ABLE TO HAVE EITHER ANOTHER SENIOR THAT'S NOT IN AS GOOD OF CIRCUMSTANCES, OR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN.
I THINK OF FREDERICKSBURG, TEXAS, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS A BUNCH OF SENIORS AND THE KIDS WERE ALL MOVING AWAY, AND NOW THERE ARE AMAZING TOURIST SITE BECAUSE THEY TOOK THAT WHAT WAS A NEGATIVE AND FLIPPED IT TO A POSITIVE BY CREATING B&BS AND LETTING ALL THESE SENIORS AGE IN PLACE, BUT ALSO HAVE A SOURCE OF REVENUE. AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR WHOLE CITY.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY FOR MIDDLE INCOME OR LOWER INCOME, BUT IT AGAIN, AS WE START TAKING A FRESH LOOK AT THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND HOW IT WOULD ALLOW OUR SENIORS TO DOWNSIZE BUT STILL LIVE INDEPENDENTLY IF THEY SO CHOOSE, HOW WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE EXPLORING THIS AND EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES THERE'S FEAR AROUND WHAT THIS COULD MEAN.
SO THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT AROUND THAT.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
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YES. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.AS CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, DIRECTOR, CITY OF DALLAS, AS THE CHAIR, SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS PRESENTED ON FOR A TEMPORARY HOUSING PILOT BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE COMMITTEE FEEDBACK ON BOARD AND COME BACK WITH AN UPDATED PROPOSAL.
WE'VE TAKEN THE PAST 60 DAYS TO INCORPORATE THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS VOICED IN SEPTEMBER, AND WILL NOW PRESENT AN UPDATED APPROACH THAT ALLOWS OUR SYSTEM TO UTILIZE THE AVAILABLE UNITS AT THE PREVIOUSLY HIGHLIGHTED AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION PROPERTY TO NOT ONLY SUPPORT THOSE NEEDING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, BUT PREVENT HOMELESSNESS THROUGH EXISTING FUNDING STREAMS AND PROGRAMS AT NO COST TO THE CITY.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE UPDATED APPROACH, UTILIZING EXISTING FUNDING STREAMS AND PROGRAMS TO DIVERSIFY UNIT USES WITHIN THE PROPERTY, AND LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY AT NO COST TO THE CITY, WITH OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH AND PARTNERSHIP SHOULD SHOULD IT BE CHOSEN DOWN THE ROAD.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
I THINK THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS LACKING FROM THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.
JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ABOUT THE AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION.
THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE LOCAL CONTINUUM OF CARE.
AND SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF TEXT.
THEIR MISSION IS TO BUILD OR ACQUIRE UNITS THAT MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR THOSE AT 50% OR BELOW THE CURRENT AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME AMI OR TO REFURBISH UNITS.
SO PART ONE OF THAT IS WE REALIZE THAT THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE AND EXTERNAL PARTNERS ALREADY DO REFERRALS FOR THOSE WHO ARE VERY LOW INCOME BUT HAVE SELF-PAY OPTIONS, SO THEY HAVE A SOURCE OF INCOME, WHO NEED AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DALLAS THAT, AS WE HAVE HEARD IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH OF. AND SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONTACTING OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE, THEY CAN NOW REFER PEOPLE TO THE AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION BUILDING.
BUT THOSE LEASES MEAN THAT THEY ARE NOT COUNTED AS HOMELESS.
THESE ARE OUR LONG TERM SELF-PAY APARTMENTS.
THERE'S ALSO CASE MANAGEMENT AND FINANCIAL COACHING THROUGH OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE AS NEEDED.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ALSO FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF LENGTH OF STAY.
OR THEY MIGHT BE THERE FOR FOR A LOT LONGER.
AND IF WE GO TO SLIDE SIX, THIS HAS NOT CHANGED.
SO THESE UNITS ARE CURRENTLY BEING RENOVATED.
THE AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, THE COUNTY LOOKING AT VOUCHERS, EXPLORING OTHER FUNDING STREAMS AND THEN THE LOCAL CONTINUUM OF CARE HAS SERVICE PROVIDER FUNDING TO PAIR WITH THOSE VOUCHERS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN MOVE INTO THOSE.
AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT SUSTAINABILITY ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
OH THANK YOU. AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THIS ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE EXTREMELY LOW INCOME BUT ABLE TO SELF PAY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF UNITS THROUGH CONNECTION WITH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE, PREVENTING ADDICTION, PREVENTING ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS FROM FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS.
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FLEXIBILITY OF UNITS, WHICH CAN BE TRANSITIONED OVER TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AS REQUIRED BY THE LARGER SYSTEM.AS I'VE STATED PREVIOUSLY, NO CITY FUNDING IS REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.
FUTURE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES COULD BE UTILIZED TO HELP SUBSIDIZE CREATION OF ADDITIONAL PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS OR ADDITIONAL PROGRAMING AT THE PROPERTY AS UNITS FILL IN PROGRAMING NEEDS EXPAND.
CURRENTLY, AS I SAID, TWO INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO HOUSING ON SITE VIA REFERRALS FROM THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE AND THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS ARE UNDER RENOVATION, EXPECTED TO GO LIVE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
AND WITH THAT I'LL GO TO NEXT STEPS.
SO AS I SAID, WE WERE HERE FOR A SEPTEMBER BRIEFING.
WE'VE COME BACK TO DO A VERY SHORT UPDATE ON WHAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON ON THE NOVEMBER.
AT THIS BRIEFING TODAY, NOVEMBER 14TH.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR.
COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.
AND IT'S GREAT THAT SOME FOLKS ARE ALREADY BEING REFERRED.
AND SO I SEE THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY ON ALL OF THIS.
SO MANY THANKS TO THE HEALTHY HOUSING FOUNDATION FOR COMING TO DALLAS AND FOR TAKING THIS ON.
THE ONE. POINT THAT SEEMS TO HAVE CHANGED IS THAT INITIALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TEMPORARY HOUSING AS NOT SO MUCH AS A PLACE FOR THOSE AT RISK TO LAND BEFORE THEY'VE LOST HOUSING, BUT RATHER A PLACE TO TAKE THOSE WHO ARE BEING HOUSED OUT IN THE STREETS AND HAVE A PLACE TO TO GO.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
SO. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT SHIFTED IN THIS, ALTHOUGH THIS STILL SEEMS LIKE A VERY NEEDED ROLE FOR THESE 152 UNITS.
SO CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THAT? YES I CAN.
THE FUNDING LOAD FOR FOR US WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HEAVY.
AND SO WE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AND SAID, WELL, HOW COULD WE UTILIZE THE EXISTING NEED AND CONNECT IT TO THESE UNITS? AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE CAME BACK WITH IS, WELL, IF WE DO NO COST, THEN THIS STILL FILLS AN IMMEDIATE NEED.
HOWEVER, AS I SAID, THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE FUTURE PARTNERSHIPS.
AND I DON'T YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALK WITH THE OTHER PARTNERS, AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION IS NOT ONLY TALKING TO OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE, THEY'RE ALSO TALKING TO THE COUNTY AND OTHER PARTNERS WHO ARE CALLING ASKING FOR SPACE.
SO I THINK THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF ROOM FOR SOME OF THOSE UNITS TO BE UTILIZED IN THAT FASHION.
SO YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDING LOAD BEING TOO HEAVY BECAUSE I THINK THAT THREE WAS IT $3 MILLION AND THAT WAS GOING TO GO TO THE SERVICES AND SUPPORT AND MANAGEMENT. EXCUSE ME.
YES, THAT WAS GOING TO GO TO FUND SIX CASE MANAGERS AND RENT AND SERVICES FOR A FULL YEAR.
SO IT WAS GOING TO BE A PILOT PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OFF FUNDING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ONGOING.
OKAY. AND SO WHAT KIND OF SO IS THAT REALLY WHAT THE FUNDING LOAD I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF, KIND OF WHAT YOU WOULD THINK WOULD APPROPRIATE AN APPROPRIATE FUNDING LOAD WOULD BE. SO I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE AVAILABLE FUNDING, UNFORTUNATELY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE IDENTIFIED. AND THEN YOU CAN USE THE FUNDING AND EXTRAPOLATE NUMBER OF ROOMS. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY IS ROUGHLY $16 A DAY.
AND SO THEN YOU TAKE 30 AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WHAT'S HALF OF THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT PER RF, THEY'RE LOOKING AT 50% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AN AREA PRICING.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY ABOUT 500 IN RENT.
WELL WHAT'S THE COST TO PAY TO PAY RENT FOR PEOPLE TO BRING THEM IN THROUGH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING THEM ON THE STREET? AND I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE WHATEVER FUNDING WE ARE GIVEN, WE COULD EXPAND THAT WITH.
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BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE DIDN'T WANT TO KEEP THIS HOUSING AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO NEED IT WHILE THAT WAS BEING FIGURED OUT.ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.
APPRECIATE YOU TOURING WITH CHARLIE, MY HOUSING ADVISOR.
I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE ACC OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE WILL BE ABLE TO REFER PEOPLE THERE.
A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS, WHICH KIM HAS ALREADY PREPPED FOR BECAUSE I GAVE HER THE PREVIEW.
WHAT IS THE NATURE, AMOUNT AND DURATION OF THE CITY'S SUBSIDY COMMITMENT UNDER THIS REVISED PLAN? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMEMBER WEST.
AND TO THIS BODY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME BACK AND HAVE THIS THIS FOLLOW UP CONVERSATION.
WE MENTIONED THAT WE WOULD TAKE THE INPUT FROM THE LAST COMMITTEE DISCUSSION AND BEGIN TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER WAYS THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY UTILIZE THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE ROOMS THROUGH THIS PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
THE ONE THING THAT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING, INCREASING CAN EXPAND ON IT EVEN FURTHER IS WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE FOR THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY AND WHAT'S THE BEST USE OF THOSE RESOURCES.
AND SO AS IT RELATES TO A SPECIFIC SUBSIDY, WHAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE AND AS WE WORK WITH THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS, FROM AN AMOUNT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT THE NEED IS AND WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN USE BECAUSE THE CITY AS IT US, THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A POT OF MONEY SITTING OVER TO THE SIDE FOR ANY TYPES OF SUBSIDIES.
CHRISTINE MENTIONED DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY AND REALLY WORKING WITH THOSE BODIES TO ENSURE THAT WHOEVER GOES INTO THOSE UNITS, THAT THOSE SUBSIDIES ARE ATTACHED TO THEM. SO WE DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT AT THIS POINT OR A SPECIFIC NUMBER.
EXACTLY WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THE VOUCHERS FROM DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR THE 48 UNITS? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION.
I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING.
THERE'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE PLAYED OUT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO RECEIVE THOSE VOUCHERS.
SO AT OUR DECEMBER MEETING, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU HOW THAT PROCESS IS CLOSED OUT.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COUNTED IN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.
EXACTLY. THAT WOULD DEFINITELY AGAIN BE DIRECTLY WITH THE CARE FOUNDATION.
THOSE LEASES WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE EXECUTING.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO ALSO, AND I THINK CHRISTINE MENTIONED THIS BRIEFLY, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN EVEN LOOK AT SOME CONVERSION OF THOSE 152 TOWARDS PSH.
BUT THOSE LEASES WOULD BE DIRECTLY WITH HEALTH HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION.
AND I WILL JUST TO ADD THAT SUBSIDIZING OF UNITS, SWITCH OVER TO THE MORE UNITS YOU HAVE AT THAT STANDARD, THE MORE IT OPENS THEM UP TO VOUCHERS, NOT JUST FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT FROM THE COUNTY, FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, FROM OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE.
SO TRANSITIONING TRANSITIONING THEM TO PSH DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO FUND THEM LONG TERM.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE OPEN TO OTHER SUBSIDY FUNDING STREAMS. VICE CHAIR. MENDELSOHN.
THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
I'M COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO FUNDING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WITH GENERAL FUNDS.
THAT'S NOT WHAT GENERAL FUNDS ARE FOR, AND I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
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YOU'RE DOING A BRIEFING DECEMBER 2023 AT THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP.UH, DO YOU HAVE THAT CONFIRMED? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE ON THE AGENDA.
SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR STANDARD PATH WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE BRIEFINGS.
I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE ON THERE BECAUSE IT HASN'T COME FORWARD YET.
WHEN WE CAME TO THIS BODY LAST TIME, WE WERE ASKED TO TAKE IT BACK BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO IF WE ARE GOOD TO GO AND MOVE FORWARD, THEN WE WILL CERTAINLY CHECK IN ON THAT.
IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO JANUARY, WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE.
IF IT NEEDS TO JUST BE A MEMO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT TIME ON THE AGENDA, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE NORMAL PATH THAT WE TAKE.
AND SO WE WILL DEFINITELY ADDRESS THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'LL PICK UP ON THAT AND ON THE NEXT STEPS.
AND I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE THE DALLAS HOMELESS COMMISSION SEE THESE BEFORE WE DO.
AND AND THEY MIGHT HAVE I DON'T KNOW.
WE'RE NOT HERE FOR AN HOUR TRYING TO GET THOSE UPDATES AND DURING THAT TIME.
I'M ALSO, I'LL TELL YOU THIS IS WE ALWAYS CHALLENGE STAFF TO COME BACK AND FINE TUNE PROJECTS AND I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT I ALSO WANT THIS BODY, THIS COMMITTEE TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TO LET STAFF KNOW IN WHAT DIRECTION WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IN. AND I KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD IT AROUND THIS HORSESHOE MULTIPLE TIMES, THAT WE DO WANT TO LOOK AT MORE SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY, THAT WE DO WANT TO LOOK AT MORE TEMPORARY HOUSING.
AND SO WITH THAT, JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING HEARD WHEN WHEN WE'RE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IN.
UNLESS THERE'S A ROUND TWO BY ANYONE CHAIR.
GO AHEAD. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
I THINK I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY FOR FOUR YEARS NOW.
I'VE BROUGHT NEW HOPE TO COME SPEAK TO GBFM.
ANOTHER VEHICLE, BUT THIS IS A MISSING TYPE OF HOUSING THAT COULD ADDRESS NEEDS OF OUR MOST, OUR MOST CHALLENGING RESIDENTS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CITY PROPOSAL ON THAT.
STILL HAVEN'T SEEN IT. THANK YOU.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
AND SO WE'LL GET WITH WITH STAFF TO TO GET THAT ON A, ON A FORECAST.
OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO A COMMITTEE BRIEFING ITEM D.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS DARWIN WADE, ASSISTANT HOUSING DIRECTOR.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS AN INTRODUCTORY BRIEFING ON TWO DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS OFFERED TO DEVELOPERS AS PART OF THE MANY TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX TO SPUR ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE, MIXED INCOME HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
OUR OBJECTIVE TODAY IS TO BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT THE BACKGROUND HISTORY OF THESE POPULAR TOOLS, AS WELL AS UPDATE YOU ON OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES CURRENTLY AFFECTING DEVELOPERS AND HOMEBUYERS.
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IN 2018, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING HOUSING POLICY, WHICH INCLUDED THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AND THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM, ALONG WITH OTHER AMENDMENTS SINCE ITS INCEPTION.NEXT SLIDE. IN AUGUST OF 2020, WE ISSUED THE NOTICE OF FUNDING AVAILABILITY AS KNOWN AS THE NOFA.
THE NOFA OFFERS FLEXIBILITY REQUESTED FROM THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY TO ACCESS GAP FINANCING IN A TIMELY FASHION, IN THE FORM OF A REPAYABLE LOAN TO SUPPORT ACQUISITION, DEVELOPMENT AND REHABILITATION OF AFFORDABLE MIXED INCOME RENTAL AND FOR SALE HOUSING.
IN APRIL 2023, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033 TO REPLACE THE CHP AND THE DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG, WHICH SEPARATED THE POLICY AND THE PERFORMANCE METRICS FROM THE APPROVED PROGRAMS. NEXT, I'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO TWO DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS, SPECIFICALLY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, WHICH PROVIDES FUNDING TO DEVELOPERS OF AFFORDABLE SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUYER UNITS.
WE. THE ACRONYM FOR THAT IS CDA.
IN TEXAS, WE PRONOUNCE IT AS CHOTTO.
ON THE EAST COAST, YOU CAN SEE IT AS KIDDOS.
I WILL HIGHLIGHT KEY POINTS OF THIS PROGRAM FOR THE PURPOSES OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
NEXT SLIDE. SO ON THIS SLIDE YOU'LL SEE THE LOAN TERMS AND THE THE LOAN TYPES THAT ARE OFFERED UNDER THIS PROGRAM. ANY GAP FINANCING PROVIDED THROUGH THE NOFA TO A DEVELOPER, WHETHER IT'S A FOR PROFIT OR NONPROFIT DEVELOPER OR CERTIFIED SHOTO IS PROVIDED IN THE FORM OF A A REPAYABLE LOAN.
NO GRANTS ARE ALLOWED UNDER THIS PROGRAM.
THE MAXIMUM TERM IS TWO YEARS, FULLY REPAYABLE UPON THE SALE, REFINANCING OR TRANSFER OF PROPERTY, EXCEPT WHEN THE PAYMENT IS LIMITED TO NET PROCEEDS WHEN SOLD TO A LOW MOD BORROWER BUYER.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE PROVIDES A BREAKDOWN OF THE DEFINITION OF NET PROCEEDS.
ALSO, ALL REPAYABLE LOANS UNDER THIS PROGRAM ARE SECURED WITH A DEED OF TRUST, A PROMISSORY NOTE, DEED RESTRICTIONS AND CITY CERTIFIED CHURROS CAN REQUEST TO RETAIN A PERCENTAGE OF THE PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE.
NEXT, I'D LIKE TO TRANSITION TO THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT OF QUALITY, SUSTAINABLE HOUSING, AS WELL AS OTHER USES THAT COMPLEMENT THE DHP 33 THROUGH VACANT, SURPLUS AND TAX FORECLOSED LAND OWNED BY THE CITY.
LAND CAN BE SOLD TO FOR PROFIT AND NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS AND OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS BELOW FAIR MARKET VALUE, RESULTING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING UNITS FOR LOW MOD HOUSEHOLDS AS WELL AS OTHER USES SUCH AS COMMERCIAL.
A GOOD EXAMPLE OF COMMERCIAL USE BENEFITING LOW MOD FAMILIES WOULD BE THE BONTEN WELLNESS CLINIC, WHICH CITY BILL AND METHODIST COMMUNITY COLLABORATIVE THAT WAS RECENTLY AUTHORIZED AND AMENDED AT LAST WEEK'S COUNCIL AGENDA.
OTHER KEY POINTS OF THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM.
ALSO, SURPLUS PROPERTY IS SOLD USING A COMPARATIVE MARKET ANALYSIS, AND ANY DISCOUNTS TO THE SALES PRICE OF THESE LOTS CAN BE DISCOUNTED BASED ON THE UNDERWRITING IF IT'S WARRANTED, BASED ON THE DEVELOPER'S ABILITY TO REPAY AND TO ENSURE A VIABLE A VIABLE SALE TO THE LOW MARKET BUYER.
TARGETED INCOMES FOR HOMEBUYERS UNDER THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM RANGE FROM 61 TO 120% OF AMI, AND DEVELOPERS CAN SELL HOMES TO BUYERS THAT MEET OUR DALLAS HOUSING HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, WHICH HAS A 35 FRONT END AND 45% BACK END RATIOS.
NEXT SLIDE. UNDER THIS PROGRAM.
THERE IS A FIVE YEAR DEED RESTRICTION THAT IS TRANSFERRED FROM THE DEVELOPER TO THE HOME BUYER, AND IT IS ENFORCED WITH A DEED RESTRICTION AND THE RIGHT OF REVERTER FOR RENTAL USES AND COMMERCIAL USES.
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AND THOSE TERMS ARE AFFORDABILITY CAN BE NEGOTIATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, AS WELL AS ENFORCE THROUGH DEED RESTRICTIONS AND RIGHT OF REVERTER.SO NOW I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES THAT WE CURRENTLY SEE WITH THESE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. SO UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IN THE EXAMPLE PROVIDED, THE EXAMPLE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST TALKS ABOUT THE CITY AWARDED.
CITY AWARDED A DEVELOPER $880,000 IN DEVELOPMENT SUBSIDY IN THE FORM OF A REPAYABLE LOAN TO CONSTRUCT 20 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR LOW MOD FAMILIES, WHICH EQUATES TO ABOUT $44,000 PER HOME.
THE DEVELOPER WILL SELL THOSE HOMES TO ELIGIBLE HOME BUYERS ONCE A HOME IS SOLD TO A HOME BUYER.
RISING INTEREST RATES, INFLATION, LOT DEVELOPMENT COSTS ARE ALL FACTORS THAT HAVE CREATED UNDUE HARDSHIPS ON THEIR BOTTOM LINE AND THEIR PERFORMANCE, WHEREBY IT IS NOT FEASIBLY FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO CONSTRUCT SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS FOR FAMILIES AT THE 60 TO 80% AMI RANGE.
MOREOVER, ONCE YOU COUPLE THIS THESE CHALLENGES WITH AN ADDITIONAL REPAYMENT THAT'S REQUIRED WITH THE REPAYABLE LOAN TO THE CITY EACH TIME A HOME IS SOLD, IT MAKES IT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT, IF NOT PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, TO MAKE THE DEAL.
PENCIL. THE NEXT SLIDE ALSO TALKS ABOUT OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES FOR THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM WITH THE AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENTS.
THAT IS CALLED A RESALE PROVISION.
SO THE RESALE AND THE RECAPTURE PROVISIONS, THEY CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER.
SO THAT'S AN ISSUE. THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR US.
AND I CAN EXPLAIN THAT IN MORE DETAIL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACTOR COLUMN UNDER THE SECOND ROW WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM, RESALE PROVISION AND THE RECAPTURE PROVISIONS. HUD DOES NOT ALLOW BOTH RESALE AND RECAPTURE ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO SELECT ONE OR THE OTHER WHEN WE SELL HOMES TO LOW MARK BUYERS.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE FOR US ON THE THIRD ROW UNDER THE FACTORS RELEASING THE RIGHT OF REVERTER AND THE LTWP OR LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM, DEED RESTRICTIONS UPON THE SALE TO A QUALIFIED BUYER AND IMPOSING THE RESTRICTIONS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPRESSLY WRITTEN OUT IN A POLICY OR PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF AUTHORITY FOR US TO DO THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING MANY ISSUES WITH THIS, WITH THE CONFLICTING DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR BOTH THE RESALE AND THE RECAPTURE.
RIGHT NOW, HOME BUYERS AND DEVELOPERS ARE AFFECTED WITH THIS CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY FACING.
SO IT DEFINITELY IS AFFECTING OUR DEVELOPERS AND OUR HOME BUYERS.
I DO HAVE SOME DEVELOPERS HERE TODAY, AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY WEIGH IN ON THAT ISSUE.
CURRENTLY. SO NEXT STEP FOR US.
SO TODAY'S BRIEFING IS TO BASICALLY BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.
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WE ALSO PLAN TO ISSUE A FRIDAY MEMO ON ANY UPDATES AND FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SINCE OUR DECEMBER MEETING, AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE COMMITTEE IN FEBRUARY AND HOPEFULLY TO HAVE THIS ITEM FOR COUNCIL ACTION IN THE MONTH OF MARCH 2024.AND I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
COUNCIL MEMBER WES. THANK YOU CHAIR.
I APPRECIATE THE BRIEFING AS ALWAYS, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GIVING YOU THIS QUESTION AHEAD OF TIME.
THIS LITERALLY JUST CAME TO ME.
WHAT'S OUR TOTAL HUD BUDGET THAT WE GET YEARLY FOR HOUSING RELATED PROGRAMS? AND AN ESTIMATE IS FINE.
SO WE RECEIVE CYNTHIA ELLICKSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.
WE RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY $16 MILLION, I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE AT TODAY.
AND THAT IS SPLIT BETWEEN HOME REPAIR HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE AND DEVELOPMENT CDBG AND HOME.
HOME IS 6 MILLION CDBG IS ABOUT TEN NINE POINT SOMETHING.
OKAY. AND WHAT I'M WHERE I'M GETTING WITH THIS.
HOW MUCH GOES TO THIS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR THE HOME.
WE RECEIVE TWO THREE 5 MILLION IN CDBG.
THAT'S FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS.
AND THEN UNDER HOME IT'S ALL OF IT $6 MILLION 1.2 FOR CHODOS.
AND THE REST OF IT IS GENERAL DEVELOPMENT FOR FOR FOR PROFIT AND NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS.
IT'S NOT A TRICK QUESTION. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT YES, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
SO FOR CDBG YOU CAN'T DO NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH IT.
HOUSING NEW CONSTRUCTION HOUSING.
SO YOU HAVE TO USE IT FOR THINGS LIKE ACQUISITION AND AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UNDER HOME YOU CAN USE IT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF UNITS.
SO AS YOU KNOW IN CONSTRUCTION ALONE ACQUISITION IS QUICK.
IT'S FAST. YOU SPEND THE MONEY VERY QUICKLY AND YOU ALSO DO YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.
ALL RIGHT. THIS MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE LATER BRIEFING ON HERE.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A BETTER USE OF HUD FUNDS, AND WE COULD SHIFT THE FUNDING OF THIS PROGRAM THROUGH OUR BOND FUND PROGRAM, AND THAT HAS THAT STAFF GONE THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS OF, LIKE YOU SAID, CBDG COULD BE USED TO ACQUIRE LAND.
AND. YES, SIR, HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT PUSHING ALL OF OUR HUD MONIES THROUGH THAT, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, AND THEN FUNDING THESE THESE PROGRAMS THAT ARE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE BOND OR SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCE.
IT CAN ALSO BE USED FOR DIFFERENT ALL THE DIFFERENT NEEDS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WHEREAS WITH FEDERAL DOLLARS WE HAVE TO RETHINK HOW WE USE IT VERY CLOSELY.
YEAH. SO BUT CONSIDERING HOME CAN ONLY BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT WILL GO FAST IF WE USE IT FOR ACQUISITION ONLY AND WE DON'T PUT IT IN CONSTRUCTION OF UNITS.
BUT WHAT WE TEND TO SEE IN OUR NOFA REQUEST IS THAT DEVELOPERS NEED OUR MONEY IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS ONE CONSISTENT WAY TO USE OUR FUNDING SOURCES.
BUT IT'S NEVER ONE KIND OF USE THAT THEY ASK FOR.
UM, FOR THIS PROGRAM IN GENERAL, WHATEVER'S GOING TO MAKE IT THE MOST FLUID TO BUILD THE MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR US TO GET ON THE MARKET, I FULLY SUPPORT.
THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.
BUT I'M SEEING ALL THIS CONFLICT AND SO.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE SOLVE THE CONFLICT.
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BUT THEN I'M ALSO FEELING LIKE IF THAT'S THE ANSWER, THEN I CAN STOP THERE.BUT IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE AS WE MOVE TOWARD OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, I MEAN, THERE ARE THERE SOME ISSUES WITH HUD THAT ARE JUST OUTDATED THAT WE THAT AREN'T AS RESPONSIVE TO THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ARE IN, IN THE COUNTRY IS IN THAT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT GOING AT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
SO THAT ISSUE RELATES TO THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM'S RESALE PROVISION OR THEIR DEED RESTRICTION.
SO ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE COULD DO IS THE AUTHORITY FROM COUNCIL ALLOWING US TO RELEASE THE LAND TRANSFERS, DEED RESTRICTION. TO RELEASE THAT.
ONCE THAT DEVELOPER SELLS THAT HOME TO AN ELIGIBLE INCOME AFFORDABLE BUYER, WE JUST NEED AUTHORITY FROM COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE US TO RELEASE THAT DEED RESTRICTION FROM THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM AND ALLOW US TO THEN ENFORCE THE DEHAP, WHICH IS THE 50 OR $60,000 THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO THAT BUYER, ALLOW US TO REPLACE IT WITH THE RECAPTURE PROVISION, AND THAT WILL IN TURN FIX OUR ISSUE WITH LAND TRANSFER AND THE PROGRAMS CONFLICTING.
WE BASICALLY JUST NEED SOMETHING IN OUR POLICY.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S SILENT ON THAT ISSUE.
SO THAT WOULD FIX US AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE RELIEF TO THE THE THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THOSE HOME BUYERS THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH IN LIMBO RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT'S THE I MEAN, AROUND THAT? WHAT'S THE RISK? ON THIS TO THE CITY.
SO THE SO THE RISK NOT REALLY A RISK BUT WHEN YOU.
SO THE RESELL PROVISION ENSURES LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY OF THE UNIT RIGHT TO A LOW INCOME FAMILY.
SO IT ENSURES THE LONG TERM AFFORDABILITY.
SO IF, IF, IF THAT FAMILY DOES NOT FULFILL THE FIVE YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD, THEN WE NEED TO ENSURE ANOTHER FAMILY THAT MEETS THE INCOME ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA GOES INTO THAT HOME.
RIGHT. SO LET'S SAY IF IF THE BUYER IS GETTING $60,000, THERE'S A 15 YEAR AFFORDABILITY PERIOD.
SO AS LONG AS THAT HOME BUYER LIVES IN THAT UNIT FOR 15 YEARS, THAT SUBSIDY IS FORGIVEN.
ONCE THEY SELL AND THEY REPAY US A PORTION OF THAT, THERE IS NO MORE AFFORDABILITY WITH THAT UNIT.
THAT UNIT CAN SELL WHATEVER THE MARKET BEARS.
SO WE HAVE NO MORE RESTRICTIONS TIED TO THAT UNIT.
THAT'S THAT'S THE GIVE AND TAKE OF BOTH RESALE AND RECAPTURE, AND THAT'S HOW WE FIX IT.
BUT THAT'S THE RISK THAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE ON IF YOU ENFORCE RECAPTURE PROVISION.
SO CERTAINLY AND THE RECAPTURE PROVISION IS LONGER THAN THE RESALE PROVISION THAT SITS ON THERE NOW.
SO WE COULD AND MOST LIKELY, AS YOU HEARD IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, THAT PEOPLE DON'T MOVE.
SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF STEPS TO QUALIFY.
IT IS IT'S HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE FEDERAL FEDERAL GRANT.
WELL, THANKS FOR ADDING SOME CLARITY.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR ALSO, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK AND HELPING US WORK THROUGH THIS, I KNOW WE ALL WANT TO GET REMOVE THE BARRIERS BUT NOT ADD RISK IF IT'S POINTING TO THAT KIND OF RISK.
HOW MANY PEOPLE USE THE PROGRAM LAST YEAR COMPARED TO HOW MANY LAND TRANSFER LOTS THERE WERE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TRANSFER? I DO HAVE IT. I JUST HAVE TO GET TO IT IN MY SHEET.
SO IN FISCAL YEAR 2023, DEHAP FUNDED A TOTAL OF 15 HOME BUYERS UNDER THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM.
DO YOU HAVE A TOTAL? AND A TOTAL OF 33 TOTAL DEHAP WAS 33.
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OKAY, SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE HERE.SO FOR YOU HAVE TO USE 15% OF YOUR, OF YOUR FEDERAL FUNDS FOR QUOTAS, RIGHT.
AND SO THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO DO THINGS.
IN A RADICALLY DIFFERENT WAY WITH THAT 15%.
SO THE LAND TRANSFER HAS THE FIVE YEAR RESTRICTION, RIGHT? YES. OKAY.
AND THE WHERE WE'RE GIVING I THINK IT'S NOW 60,000.
IT USED TO BE 50. IS THAT RIGHT? YES IT'S 40.
THE AVERAGE IS 40 AND 60 IS FOR SPECIAL POPULATIONS AND HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS.
SO IN YOUR EXAMPLE ON SLIDE 12 WHERE THE KYOTO IS SELLING THE HOMES AND THEY'RE GIVING BACK TO THE CITY 44,000 PER HOME AS THEY'RE SOLD.
ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN? OR ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE WOULDN'T ENFORCE THE FIVE YEAR LAND RESTRICTION FOR THE 1000 LOTS? SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING, WHAT WE'RE DEPICTING HERE IS A SCENARIO WHEREBY WE ARE PROVIDING THE $880,000.
OF COURSE, THE PRO RATA SHARE FOR EACH HOME THAT IS SOLD IS THE 44,000.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM OUR DEVELOPERS, OUR CHURROS, THAT IT IS BECOMING AN INCREASING BURDEN TO THEM ON THEIR BOTTOM LINE AND THEIR PERFORMANCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE REPAYMENT OF THE $44,000 AS EACH HOME IS SOLD.
AND WE DO HAVE A DEVELOPER HERE THAT CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL.
OKAY. WELL, I'M NOT LOOKING TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER ABOUT ABOUT THEIR WOES.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS SO ARE YOU SAYING WE WOULD GIVE THE DEVELOPER THE $1,000 LOT? WE WOULD THEN DO THE DEHAP FOR 50 OR 60,000, AND THEN WE WOULD FOREGO BEING.
REIMBURSED. WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE COUNCILWOMAN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO JUST PROVIDE YOU AND JUST SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE IS WE'RE PROVIDING THIS SYNOPSIS OF THIS EXAMPLE OF THE $44,000 THAT IS REPAYABLE BY THE DEVELOPERS AT THE TIME OF SALE.
OF COURSE, THE DEVELOPERS WILL STILL HAVE TO PURCHASE THE LOT THROUGH THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM.
THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND THIS IN THIS EXAMPLE, THE 44,000 THAT IS REPAYABLE.
WE'VE JUST HEARD, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION FROM OUR DEVELOPER COMMUNITY THAT THAT IS A BARRIER FOR THEM AND THAT IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE, WE COULD MAKE THIS A FORGIVABLE IF THAT'S AN OPTION OR IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL AS AN UPDATE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE'RE LAYERING THREE PLOTS OF FUNDING FOR THIS ONE.
THE LAND TRANSFER THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE DEVELOPER FOR $1,000.
AND THEN THIS DEVELOPER SUBSIDY WE WOULD THEN BE ELIMINATING.
SO WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE BUYING PEOPLE HOMES AND JUST GIVING THEM AWAY.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN JUST KIND OF JUST KIND OF BREAK THAT APART AND JUST KIND OF CLARIFY SOME THINGS.
RIGHT. CORRECT. IT IS A BELOW MARKET RATE.
RIGHT. THEY'RE PAYING A HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED MINIMAL FEE OF $1,000.
AND WE'RE AND WE'RE PROVIDING THE DEVELOPER THE DEVELOPER SUBSIDY FOR EACH ADDRESS.
SO IN THIS CASE $44,000 PER PER ADDRESS.
SO THAT MONEY GOES TO THE DEVELOPER.
AND THAT MONEY IS ALSO UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY IT IS REPAYABLE TO THE CITY AT THE TIME OF SALE.
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ONCE THE HOME IS THEN SOLD TO THE HOME BUYER, THE HOME BUYER RECEIVES A DIRECT SUBSIDY IN THE FORM OF THE ASSISTANCE, WHETHER IT'S 40, 50 OR $60,000.LET ME JUST ASK THIS QUESTION.
RIGHT. IT'S IT'S HOME DOLLARS.
SO IT IS USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACTIVITIES.
YES. SO WHAT YOU'RE REALLY PROPOSING? THE WAY I'M HEARING IT IS WE SHOULD BE PUTTING EVEN MORE RESOURCES INTO A FEW PEOPLE, AS OPPOSED TO RECEIVING THIS AND DEVELOPING MORE AND MORE HOUSING.
WE ARE BASICALLY JUST LAYING IT OUT HERE FOR FOR THE COMMITTEE TO GIVE US FEEDBACK AND WHATEVER THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE IS, THAT'S WHAT WE WILL TAKE BACK AND COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.
OKAY. WELL, TO ME, IF A HOMEBUYER NEEDS THE DEVELOPER TO GET THE $1,000 LOT, THEY ALSO NEED THIS $44,000 SUBSIDY.
THAT WAS GOING THROUGH CHODOS.
AND THEN THEY ALSO NEED THE DEHAP.
THEY PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE.
THAT'S JUST PROBABLY NOT IN THE RANGE OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF USING OUR DOLLARS, ESPECIALLY THESE FEDERAL PASSTHROUGH DOLLARS, THE KYOTO DOLLARS, TO DO WHAT THEY WERE INTENDED TO DO. BUT HELPING AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
AND THESE ARE NOT SMALL AMOUNTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN, 44,000 HERE, 50,000 THERE.
I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR A SINGLE HOMEOWNER.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF RESERVATIONS ABOUT MAKING THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER GRACIE, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
I KNOW I SEE JAMES THERE WITH BUILDERS OF HOPE, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE CAN CAN I GET YOU TO HAVE YOU COME AND JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS A DEVELOPER? JAMES ARMSTRONG, PRESIDENT CEO OF BUILDERS OF HOPE. I WON'T WASTE TIME TALKING ABOUT MY WOES, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING FINANCE.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS PROGRAM DOES IS IT ALLOWS HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO THE MARKET HAS PRICED OUT OF HOMEOWNERSHIP. THE 50,000 THAT GOES THROUGH REHAB DOESN'T COME TO THE DEVELOPER.
IT INCREASES SOMEONE WHO MAY WORK AT A LOCAL HOSPITAL OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
IT INCREASES THEIR AFFORDABILITY TO GET INTO HOMES AT MARKET PRICE.
WE ARE NOT BUILDING, YOU KNOW, SHODDY HOMES.
THESE ARE MARKET PRICE HOMES THAT HAS TO BE SUBSIDIZED FOR OUR CURRENT WORKFORCE.
ESSENTIALLY, IF WE DON'T ALLOW THE 44,000 TO SIT AS A SUBSIDY ON THE HOME, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR 60 TO 80% OF AMI IS NOT WE'RE NOT WELCOMED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCILMEMBER WEST.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND NOT TODAY, BUT IN A FUTURE BRIEFING, WHY WE CHOOSE TO ALLOCATE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO SPECIFIC PROGRAMS OF HUD, HUD FUNDED MONEY INSTEAD OF LIKE PUTTING ALL OF THE HUD FUNDS TOWARDS ACQUISITION, AND THEN USING BOND FUNDS OR OTHER SOURCES TO FUND THESE PROGRAMS. SINCE HUD IS SO COMPLICATED, AND I'M SURE THERE'S A LOGICAL ANSWER, I JUST WANT TO BE HAVE BE WALKED THROUGH THAT.
I THINK I'M MORE CONFUSED NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESTRICTIONS AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS AND EVEN BOND DOLLARS WHEN WE'RE DOING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CAN AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS REQUIRED OR NOT, BUT I GUESS IT DEPENDS WHAT BUCKET OF MONEY.
BUT WHERE IS WHERE DOES PUBLIC BENEFIT COME INTO PLAY IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT IT'S MEETING THAT CRITERIA? AND I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A LEGAL QUESTION OR IT MIGHT BE FROM THE OFFICE OF THE BUDGET OFFICE, BUDGET OFFICE.
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YES. SO FOR FOR FEDERAL DOLLARS, THOSE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED TO THE CITY FOR SPECIFIC USES.AND THOSE USES ARE EITHER HOUSING OR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT INFRASTRUCTURE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
I THINK IT HAS A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT FOR MEETING A PUBLIC PURPOSE BECAUSE IT'S COMING.
THOSE DOLLARS ARE COMING TO THE CITY FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PURPOSES, WHICH IS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
IF WE GET GENERAL FUND OR BOND FUNDS, THEN WE MEET A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
THANK YOU. AND LET ME JUST FOR A SECOND, RESPOND TO COUNCIL MEMBER WEST'S REQUEST.
BOND MONEY IS NOT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DEPARTMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE A BOND ALLOCATION.
SO IF WE DID HAVE BOND ALONG WITH OUR FEDERAL DOLLARS, WE WOULD CERTAINLY THINK THROUGH THE USES AND THE BEST USES FOR THOSE DOLLARS TO MAKE OUR LIVES EASIER AS WELL AS OUR DEVELOPERS.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE BOND DOLLARS ALLOCATED TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AT THIS TIME.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN MORENO KERRY ROGERS, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
WE ARE GOING TO BRIEF YOU TODAY ON OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, THOSE THAT WERE ADOPTED THIS PAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND THAT THOSE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THUS FAR FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
WHAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THIS IS VERY MUCH A WORKING DOCUMENT.
ET CETERA. TO SUPPORT THESE PROGRAMS. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LINDA LEE.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO JUST TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS PRIOR TO EACH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS A STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDA OUTLINING OFFICIAL CITY OF DALLAS POSITIONS ON VARIOUS LEGISLATIVE ISSUES.
THE PROGRAMS WILL SERVE AS THE GUIDE IN AUSTIN AND D.C.
FOR OUR LEGISLATIVE TEAM, STAFF, AND, OF COURSE, COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN THEY'RE IN AUSTIN AND D.C..
HERE, YOU'LL SEE OUR STATE 2023 LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM ADOPTED LAST OCTOBER.
YOU CAN FIND THE FULL AGENDA ON OUR OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS WEBSITE.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND HERE IS THE FEDERAL ADOPTED AGENDA.
SO JUST TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE 2023 HOUSING AND HOMELESS PRIORITIES, ADOPTED THE STATE FOR THE STATE SUPPORT LEGISLATION THAT ENSURES TENANT PROTECTIONS FOR RESIDENTS AT GREATEST RISK OF DISPLACEMENT.
AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE PRIORITIES AND THE OUTCOMES OF THESE.
YOU WERE BRIEFED ON THESE IN THE AD HOC COMMITTEE A FEW MONTHS AGO.
PRESERVE THE CDBG AND HOME FUND HOME FUNDING.
I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE IF YOU GUYS HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.
AND WITH THAT WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO CARRIE FOR THE 2025 PROPOSED PRIORITIES.
THANK YOU. LINDLEY. AND I DO WANT TO NOTE HERE IN THE CHAMBERS IS DINA COLAROSSI, WHO IS OUR GRANTS MANAGER AND INTERACTS A GREAT DEAL WITH OUR FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY FUNDING RELATED HARD QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE SOME VERY COMMON THEMES RELATED TO RENTAL AND RENTER PROTECTIONS AND AVOIDING LANDLORD LANDLORD DISCRIMINATION, SEEKING FUNDING FOR EMERGENCY SHELTERS FOR OUR HOMELESS OR OUR UNSHELTERED POPULATION, INCLUDING ENGAGING OUR ADDITIONAL COUNTIES OUTSIDE OF DALLAS COUNTY IN FORCE.
TAX INCREASE, PROTECTIONS FOR THE ELDERLY AND RAPID DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES.
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ADDITIONAL TENANT PROTECTIONS.AND SO WE'RE DOING A LITTLE SOME RECON ON THAT TO DIG INTO THE DETAILS.
THE POINT IN TIME COUNT, WHICH COMES DOWN FROM D.C.
CONTINUE EXPANDING FUNDING FOR CDBG AND THE HOME INVESTMENT PROGRAMS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
CONTINUE TO SEEK FUNDING FOR HOMELESS SERVICES.
EXPAND THE LAI TECH PROGRAM TO INCLUDE BLIGHT REMEDIATION.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET.
DISCUSSION AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL INCLUDE A RIGHT TO CURE FOR TENANTS FACING EVICTION.
THERE WAS A BILL FILED OR A COUPLE OF BILLS FILED THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT THAT DIDN'T SEE THROUGH TO SUCCESS AT THE END, AND THEN SEEK COST RECOVERY FOR LARGE CITIES THAT PROVIDE HOMELESS SERVICES TO SURROUNDING COUNTIES.
SO WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TO BRIEF THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEES THROUGH THE DECEMBER MEETINGS WITH THE REQUEST THAT LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FROM THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES BE SUBMITTED BY DECEMBER 15TH, AND THEN THOSE PRIORITIES WILL ADVANCE TO THE LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION IN JANUARY.
WITH THAT, LINDLEY AND I ARE PLEASED TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS ASKED TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL START OFF HERE TO THE RIGHT OF ME WITH COUNCILMEMBER WEST.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING US ON THE AGENDA, AND I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE.
CARRIE. AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THE CONDO THING THAT WAS THAT EDITION WAS MINE.
I HEARD, GOSH, LIKE MAYBE WHEN I WAS HOUSING CHAIR.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE THAT, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT FROM MULTIPLE UNRELATED DEVELOPERS.
AND I KNOW THAT IS A TYPE OF HOUSING.
AND SO I'M HOPING YOU ALL FIND SOMETHING OUT FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ON THAT.
I'D START WITH TREC AND WORK, WORK, WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND I'LL HELP RUN THE TRAPS TOO.
WE'LL GO VIRTUALLY NOW TO VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON.
I THINK I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN MY INPUT ON ALL OF THESE.
THAT, I BELIEVE, IS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, OR SOME TIME THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND IT MAY JUST BE A LACK OF VERBIAGE, CLARITY, I GUESS, FOR A SHORT ANSWER.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF DALLAS FREQUENTLY IS IN A POSITION TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY SHELTERS FOR OUR UNSHELTERED POPULATION. AND SO PURSUING FUNDING, BECAUSE WE DO TAKE IN A LOT OF UNSHELTERED FROM OUTSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS.
YES. AND SO I THINK IT WAS CAPTURED ON SLIDE TEN, THE LAST ITEM.
AND SO I THINK PERHAPS I EVEN SAW THIS ONE, THAT'S THE SECOND ONE ON NINE.
AND WE MAYBE CLARIFIED IT INTO THE ONE ON TEN.
SO I THINK THE ONE ON NINE COULD JUST BE REMOVED WITH TEN.
BEING THAT WHEN A SURROUNDING CITY DOESN'T PROVIDE HOMELESS SERVICES AND WE HAVE BECOME THEIR DE FACTO SHELTER, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR COST RECOVERY, I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD PROVIDE IT. I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE OUR TAXPAYERS BEAR THE BURDEN OF THAT WHEN THEIRS COULD PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ITEM.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS. SO I THINK A RIGHT TO CURE PERIOD IS ONE ITEM.
AND THEN WHAT A DELAY IN THE EVICTION PROCESS MEANS I THINK IS SOMETHING ELSE.
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OUT. THANK YOU.I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF HAVING A RIGHT TO CURE, PERIOD.
I THINK THOSE REGULATIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN WELL ESTABLISHED AND OUTLINED.
AND THERE'S A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE TENANT AND THE LANDLORD AND THERE STATE LAW.
AND SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CREATING A DELAY, BUT I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF A RIGHT TO CURE.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO ECHO SUPPORT FOR WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT ACROSS A COUPLE OF THESE POINTS WITH REGARD TO DALLAS OWNING THE ISSUE AROUND HOMELESSNESS AND HOW WE SHELTER, YOU KNOW, STAND UP AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OR TEMPORARY HOUSING OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, BECAUSE BUT I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE THRESHOLDS MIGHT BE.
AND PERHAPS THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT'S WORKED THROUGH IN THE PROCESS.
HOWEVER, THE BILL GETS CRAFTED, BUT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME WHO ARE HELPING, BUT IT MAY BE WHILE WE APPRECIATE IT, IT MAY BE A LITTLE TEPID IN THE FACE OF WHAT WE ARE ENCOUNTERING.
AND SO UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT CAN COME TOGETHER SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GET YOU OFF THE HOOK BECAUSE DALLAS IS REALLY DOING A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF RESOURCES HERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT AS WE THINK ABOUT THAT, AND I'M VERY GLAD WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS, THAT WE ARE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT SOMEHOW WE GET I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN CALLED IT COST RECOVERY.
I MEAN, IMAGINE HOW MUCH MORE WE COULD DO AROUND THIS IF WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE SUPPORT.
AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS OR ARE LOOKING AT THIS WITH ALL OF THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE SUBMITTED, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS LOCALLY THROUGH AN ILA RELATIONSHIPS PARTNERING WITH OUR WITH THE COUNTIES IN WHICH WE RESIDE.
BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, CERTAINLY TO LEGISLATION MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER.
AND SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE NEED A BIGGER STICK TO HELP US RESOLVE.
SO I THINK LOOKING AT AN ILA WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO.
A POINT IN TIME TIME STANDARDS, I THINK, IS SO IMPORTANT, SO THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ACCURATE NUMBERS AND THAT WE HAVE A BASELINE TO GO FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT ON THERE.
AND YEAH, LOOKING AT DOLLARS, A LOT OF THE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING ARE LIMITED TO LONG TERM HOUSING OR HOUSING THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR TEMPORARY HOUSING.
AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET AS MANY DOLLARS AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE HELPING THOSE UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. WITH THAT, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM F.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHAIR, AND I'LL SIT HERE IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
SO ON OCTOBER THE 27TH, WE SENT OUT A MEMORANDUM TO THE BODY ASKING FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE CALLED OUR DRAFT FORECAST FOR FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE GO INTO DETAILS AROUND SPECIFICS OF THE BODY, THAT YOU CAN JUST SHARE THOSE WITH US.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I KNOW WILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN ADVANCE.
BEFORE WE BRING THOSE BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO DID MEAN TO TAKE THE TIME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STEP OUT. I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING LIMITED ON TIME.
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I HOPE THAT EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PRESENTATION AHEAD OF TIME.AND WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO STRAIGHT INTO TO QUESTIONS OR IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE OUR TEAM TO GO OVER SOME HIGH LEVEL HIGHLIGHTS.
JUST. OKAY, SO I'M NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS.
AND SO AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE ARE ITEMS POLICY DIRECTION THAT THIS BODY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE UP IN THIS UPCOMING FORECAST OF ITEMS. WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING CHAIR TO GET THE REPORT PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, AND AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT COMPLETED AND NAILED DOWN, WE'LL DEFINITELY SEND THAT OUT SO THAT MEETING CAN ACTUALLY FOCUS ON THAT, THAT ITEM.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE COMING BACK IN DECEMBER.
THAT WILL BE COMING IN DECEMBER.
WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE UPDATE ON THE FORMER MIRAMAR HOTEL.
WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING IN OCTOBER.
THERE WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK, AND WE WANT TO COME BACK AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, WE KNOW QUESTIONS FROM THE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO REPRESENTS THAT DISTRICT, AS WELL AS OTHERS THAT HAVE GIVEN THE STAFF FEEDBACK.
SO WE WILL HAVE THAT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THE ONGOING WORK OF THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION.
THAT WILL BE IN A MEMO THAT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT WILL BRING BACK.
IT WILL REALLY DEMONSTRATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF HOW WELL THE THE THE DFCC IS WORKING.
SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SHOW YOU HOW WELL THAT PROGRAM IS WORKING.
THAT WILL BE SOMETIME EARLY SPRING.
YOU'LL SEE IN JANUARY WE WILL COME BACK AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE FROM THE CONTINUUM OF CARE.
AND SO HOUSING FOR WOULD BE COMING BACK TO ADDRESS THAT AS AN ONGOING KIND OF CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION AND THE DATA THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
AND SO WITH THAT, THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE KEY THINGS THAT I KNOW THE BODY HAS ASKED US FOR, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING RESPONSIVE TO ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO INCLUDE ON THE FORECAST FOR THE COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
I THINK I WAS SPEAKING TO THE REPORT, BUT.
OKAY. AND SO I THINK WE WERE WE LOOKING AT THE FORECAST.
YES. WHAT I JUST WENT THROUGH WAS REALLY THE THE OVERVIEW OF THE FORECAST.
I THINK WE JUMPED AGENDA ITEMS. WE WERE ON F AGENDA ITEM F THE QUARTERLY PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE JUST A COUPLE MINUTES OF COMMENTARY.
FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR HARD WORK THIS LAST YEAR.
NEXT MONTH, I'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU CHANGES TO THE HOME REPAIR, AND YOU HEARD SOME OF THE EARLY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL HELP STREAMLINE AND GET US TO PRODUCING AND PRESERVING MORE UNITS.
BUT LAST YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUR NEW HOUSING POLICY ADOPTED.
TONIGHT WE HAVE A VIRTUAL MEETING.
SO THAT WORK IS ACTIVE, IT'S ONGOING, AND IT'S EXCITING.
BUT THAT'S 100 PEOPLE IN OUR CITY THAT NOW CAN CONTINUE TO CALL DALLAS THEIR HOME.
[02:20:01]
WE HAVE AROUND 20,000 UNITS IN THE PIPELINE OF DEVELOPMENT ACROSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING THROUGH OUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND AS THOSE CONTINUE TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND START TO BE OCCUPIED IN THE NEXT YEAR, IN COMING YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO ADD TO OUR HOUSING STOCK IN DALLAS AND CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO WELCOME PEOPLE TO DALLAS THAT WANT TO CALL THEIR HOME OR ALLOW PEOPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE WITHIN OUR CITY.WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE IN HOUSING.
WE'VE HEARD SOME PRESENTATIONS TODAY THAT ILLUMINATE OUR RENTING AND HOME OWNERSHIP CHALLENGES, AND WE IN THE DEPARTMENT ARE POSED TO UNDERSTAND THAT DATA, USE IT AND INFORM OUR DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD.
SO AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T WORK BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN A MEMO ABOUT IT, BUT IN LOOKING AT THE PROGRESS AROUND THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND, YOU KNOW, THIS QUANTIFIES ALL OF THAT, IT'S THE PUTTING THE DOLLAR VALUE ON THAT, NOT JUST ON THE SPEND THROUGH VARIOUS PROGRAMS, BUT ON THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FAVORABILITY WHEN YOU'VE GOT A PFC OR AN HFC AND WHAT THAT OFFSET ON THE MARKET RATE RENT WOULD BE, AND THE VALUE THAT THAT'S ADDING BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THE FLIP SIDE OF THE REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED ON SOME OF THESE, SO THAT WE JUST HAVE A GREATER PICTURE, BECAUSE AS WE AS WE MOVE TOWARD THE BOND PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE REACHING OUT FROM MANY DIRECTIONS, I THINK WE'VE REALLY GOT TO UNDERSTAND THE INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY IS MAKING AS OF TODAY AROUND ALL OF THESE, I MEAN, THE LAST NUMBER, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ADDING IT ALL UP WAS 41 MILLION.
AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT EVEN GOING FORWARD ON THESE QUARTERLIES.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE VALUE OF WHAT THE CITY IS PUTTING TOWARD THIS ISSUE AS WELL AS UNITS.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO PRODUCING THAT.
YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT.
AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THOSE MORE THOROUGHLY.
SO WORK WITH DATA AND BUSINESS ANALYTICS RIGHT NOW TO DEVELOP OUR HOUSING DASHBOARD.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT NOT JUST IN QUARTERLY REPORTS, BUT ON THAT LIVE DASHBOARD.
I MEAN, BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THE LAST FISCAL YEAR AND SAY, HERE'S THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND HERE'S WHAT THE VALUE WAS TO THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT IS THROUGH A GRANT OR RENT FAVORABILITY OR WHATEVER, OR, YOU KNOW, REVENUE GENERATED THAT CAN BE PUT BACK INTO FUTURE PROJECTS.
YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY, VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON.
THANKS. I'M JUST GOING TO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT DOLLAR INVESTMENT THAT WE'VE MADE IN HOUSING IS IMPORTANT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, FRANKLY, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THE BOND AND MANY PEOPLE ARE ADVOCATING FOR DOLLARS TO GO TOWARDS HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A REALITY THAT THERE'S MORE THAN A DOZEN TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX TO DEVELOP HOUSING THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT FUNDING THAT COMES AS A.
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS OUR OWN ISSUANCE OF DOLLARS THROUGH.
HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION, FCS, AND MANY OTHER WAYS.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD GET THOSE DOLLARS TO US, IF YOU CAN REPORT TO US BACK ON THE KIND OF INVESTMENT WE SAW JUST EVEN IN FISCAL YEAR 23, THAT WOULD BE INSTRUCTIVE FOR OUR CONVERSATIONS.
KIM WAS GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA FORECAST EARLIER, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IN ADDITION TO THE UPDATE ON THE MIRAMAR, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE AND HEAR AN UPDATE ON THE OTHER THREE VACANT PROPERTIES INTENDED FOR HOMELESSNESS.
SO THE I 20 PROPERTY, THE HAMPTON HOSPITAL PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY IN D-10.
AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ALSO ASK FOR A BRIEFING AND PLAN ABOUT SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY HOUSING AND HOW WE CAN BRING THAT TO DALLAS. IT WAS NOTED TO ME DURING THIS CONVERSATION THAT THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS INCLUDED IN MAYOR RAWLINGS TASK FORCE ON ENDING HOMELESSNESS, PRODUCED IN 2016, AND IT MAY ACTUALLY BE THE ONLY ITEM THAT WAS SUGGESTED THAT HAS NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
AND SO I HOPE THAT WE WILL SEE ALL OF THOSE BRIEFINGS AND ACTION.
CYNTHIA, IF YOU WANT TO DO THE FIRST, I KNOW YOU CAME DOWN TO RESPOND.
YES. SO JUST THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
[02:25:01]
COUNCILWOMAN. AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE PROJECTIONS THAT, WELL, ACTUAL FOR THE ACTUALS THAT WE RECEIVED IN 20 2223, ESPECIALLY FOR THE HFC AND THE PFC.THOSE ARE EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT FOR SHOWING THE INVESTMENTS IN WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE IN DOLLARS.
YOU SEE IT IN EXEMPTIONS, YOU SEE IT IN THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE CERTAINLY WANT TO AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT BECAUSE THAT WAS NEVER CAPTURED BEFORE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY IS TO CAPTURE IT.
AND SO THANK YOU. THAT WAS CERTAINLY WHAT I INTENDED.
OKAY. AND THEN I SAW OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
AND THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN FOR THE ITEMS THAT YOU LISTED OFF.
I WANT TO JUST WORK MY WAY BACK.
WE WILL HAVE THE UPDATE ON THE FORMER MIRAMAR THAT WILL BE AT YOUR DECEMBER BRIEFING.
WE WILL ALSO HAVE THE 4150 INDEPENDENCE PROJECT, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN REFERENCED OFF OF I-20, THE COUNTY, WHICH I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WE WERE WAITING ON SOME FUNDING THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FOR THAT PROJECT ON THEIR AGENDA.
LAST TUESDAY, NOVEMBER THE 7TH.
SO WE WILL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE ON THAT PROJECT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE AS A PROJECT THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY COME BACK AND BRING SOME OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE TO GET FURTHER GUIDANCE.
OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO NOW.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION TO ITEM G PLEASE.
WE'LL GO. WE HAVE A MEMO FOR AN UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M JUST GOING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AROUND THE HORSESHOE ON THIS ITEM.
OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND SO THIS IS JUST JUST WILL MOVE FORWARD TO FULL COUNCIL.
ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST GOING TO A COUPLE MINUTES ON THE FORECAST.
I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR DOING THAT PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE US THOSE ITEMS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PRIORITIZED, PLEASE SEND THOSE BY EMAIL. OR YOU CAN SPEAK TO THOSE RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. DON'T SEE ANY WITH THAT.
THE TIME IS 1132 AND OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.