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[Quality of Life, Arts and Culture Committee on December 5, 2023.]
THE TIME IS NOW 903 AND I CALL TODAY, DECEMBER 5TH.QUALITY OF LIFE, ARTS AND CULTURE COMMITTEE TO ORDER.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVING COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023.
SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
MOTION PASSES. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM TODAY IS GOING TO BE BRIEFING ITEM B FROM DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE WILL HEAR FROM ANDREA ABOUT THE ADULT DAYCARE CHILD CARE FACILITIES AND DAY HOMES.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
LET ME KNOW WHEN WE'RE READY TO RUN THE PRESENTATION.
SO I'M GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO I AM MY NAME IS ANDREA WOODRUFF.
I'M REPRESENTING PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.
I HAVE ANDREA GILLIS WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR.
AND I HAVE SARAH MAY, OUR CHIEF CHIEF PLANNER FOR CODE AMENDMENTS.
WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT YOU OUR PROPOSAL AND KPC'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A CODE AMENDMENT FOR ALL TYPES OF DAYCARES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE WILL GO OVER THE CODE AMENDMENT AUTHORIZATION.
THIS IS A CODE AMENDMENT THAT WAS AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.
NEXT SLIDE. IT IS A LONG AUTHORIZATION BECAUSE IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE CODE, AND WE WANT IT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE GRABBING EVERYTHING.
BUT IT REFERS TO THE SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT REGULATE CHILD CARE FACILITY, ADULT DAY CARE FACILITY, DAY HOME, AND THEN ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS USES.
THE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HEADED UNDER CONSIDERATION.
AND IN OCTOBER 19TH THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE ARE HERE TODAY AND THE ITEM IS ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK.
CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 13TH.
WHAT ARE THE CURRENT REGULATIONS? CURRENTLY WE HAVE THREE USES.
THEN WE HAVE CHILD CARE FACILITY, A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES CARE, TRAINING, EDUCATION, CUSTODY, TREATMENT OR SUPERVISION FOR PERSONS UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE. AND OBVIOUSLY IT FOLLOWS WITH THEY ARE NOT RELATED BY BLOOD, MARRIAGE, ADOPTION AND OR TO THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY.
WE ALSO HAVE AN ACCESSORY DAY HOME USE THAT IS A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES CARE OR SUPERVISION FOR DAY HOME ATTENDEES, WHEREVER IS OPERATED FOR PROFIT OR NOT.
IT HAS TO BE INCIDENTAL TO THE PRIMARY USE OF THE OF THE BUILDING.
HOW ARE THEY ALLOWED BY RIGHT NOW.
NOW WITH CHILD CARE FACILITY THE SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVOLUTED.
THERE ARE TYPES OF CHILD CARE FACILITIES THAT, BY STATE LAW, ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT EVERYWHERE.
WHEN THEY ARE OPERATED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, THEY'RE UNDER 12 CHILDREN THAT ARE CARED FOR.
IF THEY ARE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SCHOOL THEY ARE CONNECTED WITH, OR NEAR SHOPPING CENTER BUSINESS OR GYMS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
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FACILITIES. IT'S BY RIGHT IN RETAIL, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL SERVICE IN CENTRAL MIXED USE, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL URBAN CORRIDORS, A LIMITED USE IN MF THREE AND FOUR AND THEN BY SUP IN ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH IS THE SAME AS ADULT DAYCARES.THERE. IF I AM TO SUMMARIZE NOW, WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL OR THE RECOMMENDATION OF CITY PLAN COMMISSION, WE AND CITY PLANNING COMMISSION AGREED TO COMBINE BOTH ADULT DAYCARE AND CHILD CARE FACILITIES INTO ONE USE.
THAT'S CALLED DAYCARE, TO ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS EXCEPT IN CHS AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, WHERE THEY WILL BE ALLOWABLE BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ELIMINATE THE MINIMUM OF OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS, AND TO ADD ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPED IN A CONTEXT SENSITIVE MANNER.
SO MORE SPECIFICALLY CHILD CARE OR ADULT DAY CARE IS NOW A USE.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE DEFINED AS A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES CARE TRAINING, EDUCATION, CUSTODY, TREATMENT OR SUPERVISION FOR PERSONS OF ANY AGE WHO ARE NOT RELATED BY BLOOD, MARRIAGE OR ADOPTION TO THE OWNER OF THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY WHERE WHETHER OR NOT THE FACILITY IS OPERATED FOR PROFIT OR CHARGES FOR THE SERVICES IT OFFERS.
WE PROPOSE AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO BE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL.
WE'RE ADDING TO THE ONES WHAT YOU SEE UNDERLINED ON THE SLIDES AND IN OFFICE.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS BY SUP AND CS AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
AND CPC ADDED THE RECOMMENDATION.
IF THEY ARE IN CHS AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, THEY WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN SUP IF THEY ARE OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HOSPITAL, MEDICAL CLINIC OR AMBULATORY SERVICE CENTER.
THIS. THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE TABLES.
WE ARE TRYING. THE MAIN POINT IS RIGHT NOW, INSTITUTIONAL USES ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A LARGER LOT COVERAGE THAN YOUR SINGLE FAMILY OR YOUR RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE CONTEXT SENSITIVE.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE SAME WITH HEIGHT.
RIGHT NOW THEY ARE ALLOWED TO GO TO ANY HEIGHT.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IF IT'S AN LET'S SAY AN R 16 WHERE THE HEIGHT IS 30FT, WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THIS NEW USE TO HAVE THE SAME 30FT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS.
THERE ARE ALREADY SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY IN THE CODE.
KEEP IN MIND THEY ARE HIGHLY REGULATED BY STATE AND TEXAS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
NO PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THIS IF THEY ARE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE SIGNS HAVE TO BE ATTACHED OR MONUMENT THE FRONT YARDS MUST MUST BE UNOBSTRUCTED.
WE'RE ALSO ADDING A PROVISION TO LIMIT OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES BETWEEN 7 A.M.
AND 10 P.M., AND WE'RE OFFERING A PATH TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR RELIEF.
JUST TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A RATIONALE WHY WE NEED TO LIFT UP THE BARRIERS FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
RIGHT NOW THESE ARE WE HAVE 281 LICENSED CENTERS IN THE CITY.
AND YOU WILL SEE ON THE PIE CHART WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.
AND YOU SEE ON THE MAP THAT THEY ARE LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IF I AM TO LEAVE ALL OF US WITH ONE IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION RATIONALE WHY WE NEED TO LEAVE THE BORDER, THE BARRIERS FOR THIS USE, I WOULD SAY THAT ACCORDING TO THE US CENSUS, WE HAVE 93,000 CHILDREN UNDER AGE FIVE, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IN ALL THE LICENSED CHILD CARE FACILITIES.
RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE HAVE PLACE ONLY FOR 35,000 KIDS.
AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN THERE IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THE DAYCARE DESERTS.
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NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING? THE TWO GREEN CHECK MARKS BASICALLY TO ALLOW BY WRITING RESIDENTIAL AND OFFICE AND PUT AN SUP AND AN INDUSTRIAL.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO FLIP THE SCRIPT AND ALLOW THEM BASICALLY IN ALL RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND COMMERCIAL, OBVIOUSLY. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE MR. RIDLEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, ANDRE.
WHAT'S THE RATIONALE? UM, YES.
WE ARE TRYING TO LIFT SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT BARRIERS FOR THE SUPPLY OF CHILD CARE FACILITIES.
WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT WE SEE COMING VIA ZONING CASES.
SOMETIMES WE GET ZONING CHANGES, SOMETIMES WE GET SUPS.
WE ARE THINKING THAT THEY ARE A PART OF A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF SITUATION, WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SERVICES THAT DIRECTLY HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE STABLE, CLOSE TO THE LOCATION.
SO WE THINK THAT ESPECIALLY CHILD CARE OF ALL INSTITUTIONAL USES BELONG IN NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE IT'S IT'S EASY AGAIN, LIVE, WORK, PLAY AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE SERVICES YOU NEED IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT THE ZONING ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS MAINLY RESIDENTIAL.
THEREFORE, HAVING AN SUPP IS A BIG BARRIER FOR A SMALL OPERATOR, AND IT DISCOURAGES A LOT OF THE DAYCARE FACILITIES TO BE SITUATED WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED.
MAIN RATIONALE IS I WAS POINTING TO MY NEXT SLIDE.
WELL, YOU'RE REFERRING TO PAGE 17 OF THE PRESENTATION, WHICH GIVES THE CENSUS STATISTIC OF 93,000 CHILDREN AND 35,000 SLOTS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T TELL ME WHAT THE ACTUAL DEMAND, UNMET DEMAND IS BECAUSE MANY PARENTS, MOTHER AND FATHER STILL STAY HOME TO CARE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
THIS STATISTIC DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T TELL ME WHAT THE TRUE EXCESS DEMAND IS OVER WHAT THE SUPPLY IS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY STATISTICS THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT? I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAVE A STATISTIC WHEN WE DON'T ALLOW THEM.
SO I THINK THE STATISTICS IS GOING TO COME IN ONCE WE LIFT A LITTLE BIT THE BARRIERS AND SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO START TO POP OUT, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO REALIZE WHAT THE TRUE DEMAND WAS.
AND OBVIOUSLY, LIKE YOU MAY HAVE SOME TO DO SOME TOUGH CHOICES.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD SEE THE TRUE DEMAND ONCE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED.
IS THERE ANY TRADE ASSOCIATION OR ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS THE OPERATORS OR OWNERS OF THESE KINDS OF DAYCARE FACILITIES THAT YOU HAVE DISCOVERED IN YOUR RESEARCH ON THIS THAT MIGHT BE CONSULTED ABOUT THE DEMAND FOR THE SERVICE? WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE.
THEY CAME AT CPC AND THEY ALSO SUPPORTED OUR PROPOSAL.
OKAY. WE DID WE DID MEET WITH AARP.
JUST MISS SCHULTZ, IF YOU HAD A RESPONSE.
YES, I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT, IF THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.
I SERVE ON THE DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSION FOR CHILD CARE, AND THAT IS A COALITION OF ALL OF THE PROVIDERS, ALL THE NONPROFIT LEADERS IN THIS AREA, EVERYTHING FROM CHILD CARE GROUPS, EARLY MATTERS, ALL THE INSTITUTIONS, AS WELL AS THERE ARE SEVERAL PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE THERE. THIS IS A HUGE BARRIER TO FOR THE EXPENSE, PARTICULARLY FOR THE NOT FOR PROFIT THAT ARE TRYING TO SERVE THOSE AS WELL AS THE IN THE BUSINESS AND THE FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE TRYING TO OFFER FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, THERE'S A BIG INITIATIVE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT TO CHILD
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CARE. IT IS A CRISIS IN DALLAS AND WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD ON IT.SO WHEN I GET TO MY TURN, I'LL COMMENT ON THE MERITS OF THIS.
SO DID YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THIS GROUP IN PREPARATION FOR THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE? WE TALKED TO OFFICE FOR COMMUNITY CARE.
THEY SUPPORTED. THEY ALSO REACHED OUT TO THEIR NETWORK AND EVERYBODY WAS IN SUPPORT.
WE ALSO READ REPORTS THAT WHAT SARAH IS POINTING TO ME BY AARP, SAYING THAT THERE IS A BIG NEED FOR ADULT DAYCARES IN THE COMING YEARS BASED ON THE ESTIMATES OF HOW THE POPULATION IS GOING.
I SEE AND FINAL QUESTION WHY COMBINE THE ZONING CATEGORIES FOR CHILD CARE WITH ADULT CARE? IS THAT JUST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONVENIENCE? SURE. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO CARE FOR BOTH.
THEY ARE STILL STATE REGULATED.
AND THIS USES LIKE CHILD CARE.
IS CHILD CARE LICENSED PER STATE.
AND THEN ADULT DAYCARE IS A DIFFERENT LICENSE.
IN REALITY, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FACILITIES.
SO YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WOULD BE INDIVIDUAL FACILITIES THAT TAKE BOTH CHILDREN UNDER 14 AND ADULTS? I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE SEEN THAT MODEL.
IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LICENSES.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY. MISS SCHULTZ, THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY. I THINK THERE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC.
THIS IS REALLY BEYOND A SERVICE.
AND ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO TAKE THE BURDEN OFF OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO PROVIDE CARE WOULD BE AN EXPONENTIAL CHANGE FOR THEM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY JUST THE FINANCIAL EXPENSE, IT'S ALSO THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN OPERATING.
WE KNOW THE CITY OF DALLAS ITSELF IS OFFERING SUBSIDIES FOR OUR EMPLOYEES WHO NEED CHILD CARE, AND SO FOR US TO CONTINUE TO MOVE IN THAT MOMENTUM WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED IT WHEN I STEPPED OUT.
COULD YOU, DR. UDREA OR OR DR.
GILLIS, COULD YOU SHARE WHY WE DECIDED TO LEAVE THE SOUP FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL? OH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
YES. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A LAND USE RATIONALE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
HOWEVER, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HAD AMPLE DISCUSSIONS AND ZODIAC ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE THE REALITY ON THE GROUND IS DIFFERENT.
AND ALSO, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION MADE AN EXCELLENT POINT TO SAY THAT SOME.
TIMES. CHILDCARE NEEDS ARE ALSO GOOD CLOSE TO YOUR JOB LOCATION, AND IT'S THAT HOUR OF COMMUTE.
IT MEANS A LOT IN TERMS OF HOW MANY HOURS THE FACILITY OPERATES.
FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, IT WAS JUST A LAND USE.
LIKE WE WERE THINKING, OKAY, AN INDUSTRIAL USE, LIKE AN OUTDOOR, I DON'T KNOW, A STORAGE OF WHATEVER TYPE OF FACILITIES ARE NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD ADJACENCY WITH CHILD CARES.
CITY PLANNING COMMISSION AND SOAC ADDED MORE NUANCES TO IT.
OKAY, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD STILL MODIFY IF WE WANT TO AT THE HORSESHOE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? SO I KNOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CODE CHANGE.
AND SO I AR AND ALL THAT MAY CHANGE IN DEFINITIONS.
SO THIS MAY BE A HOLDING PLACE UNTIL THEN.
IF ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL BEFORE IT COMES TO US AT COUNCIL MIGHT BE TO SHOW US WHERE IN, YOU KNOW, ON THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE OF THE 288, I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY 255, BUT WHATEVER.
HOW MANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY ARE CURRENTLY IN ERCS? SO WE COULD SEE THAT OR WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE NEEDS ARE THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE.
SO I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THIS WORK.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHO INITIATED THE IDEA OF IT, BUT IT'S A FANTASTIC THING.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, THE ENTIRE CHILD CARE COMMUNITY IN DALLAS IS ELATED BY THIS NEWS.
AND TO YOUR THE LAST THING THAT I'LL SAY, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, IS I KNOW FOR WE AS A CITY, WE DID A VERY BRIEF SURVEY AND IT WAS JUST POST COVID, SO PEOPLE WERE KEEPING THEIR CHILDREN CLOSER TO HOME TO MR. RIDLEY'S POINT.
BUT NOW THAT IS CHANGING VERY MUCH.
AND PEOPLE WHO ARE RETURNING BACK DO WANT IT.
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IN FACT, THE COUNTY IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TO FIND A PLACE HERE DOWNTOWN FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE AT THE JAIL AND OTHERS TO HAVE 24 OVER SEVEN CHILD CARE.AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY OF DALLAS FIND A WAY TO PARTNER ON THAT.
FOR OUR OWN EMPLOYEES WHO WORK HERE AT CITY HALL, IT MAY BE EASIER TO GET EVERYONE BACK THAT WAY.
THANK YOU, MISS SCHULTZ. A GREAT POINT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I TOO, ON SLIDE 17.
THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, THAT LARGE NUMBER.
HOWEVER, WE ARE HEARING ABOUT THE DEMAND AND THE NEED.
IT ALSO GIVES SOME PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RUN A SMALL BUSINESS FROM THEIR HOME.
SO SO THAT'S DEFINITELY APPEALING.
I DO LOOK AT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE IMPACT ON.
WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T PUT ANY OF THOSE LIMITATIONS.
WE'RE THINKING THAT THE DEMAND IS GOING TO REGULATE THAT.
LIKE WHY WOULD YOU HAVE ON A BLOCK MORE THAN ONE FACILITY BECAUSE IT PULLS FROM THE SAME AREA? IDEALLY, THESE ARE NOT THE TYPE OF USES WE NEED TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN USES THAT ARE DESTINATION TYPE.
OR CAN SOMEONE COME IN, BUY A HOUSE, OPERATE A DAYCARE AND THEN LOCK THE DOOR AT FIVE AND LEAVE? AND IT'S A BUSINESS? YES IT IS.
THE ONES WITH THE OWNER OCCUPIED HAVE ALSO A LIMITATION OF 12 KIDS.
THEY'RE ALLOWED ANYWAY RIGHT NOW BY STATE LAW, THOSE ARE IN HOME CARE.
OKAY. THERE WAS ALSO A REFERENCE ON ELIMINATING THE MINIMUM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT STAFF THAT ASSIST YOU IN THIS ENDEAVOR, WHERE DO THEY PARK THE THE THE THE PARKING REGULATIONS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW ARE ONE PER 500 OR WHATEVER THE SHOP DECIDES.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS SHOPS WHERE THEY WANTED TO RETROFIT AN EXISTING HOME INTO A DAYCARE, AND THEY ONLY HAD TWO SPACES ON SITE, AND THOSE WERE ALLOWED RIGHT NOW.
SO THE SITUATION IN THE CODE, THE REGULATION IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW IS A LITTLE BIT DISCRETIONARY.
THE RATIO IS A LITTLE BIT RECOMMENDED.
THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ON SITE PARKING FOR HOW MANY PARKING SPACES THEY NEED.
A DAYCARE IS A VERY SMALL OPERATION.
THEY THEY OPERATE IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAT IS NOT SO DISRUPTIVE.
SO WE COULDN'T FIND ANY TYPE OF RATIONALE TO RECOMMEND THE RATIO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, IN ALL HONESTY, IN ALL THE SUBS THAT WE'VE DONE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, WE COULDN'T FIND, LIKE WE ARE ALWAYS LIKE, WHATEVER IS ON THE GROUND, YOU HAVE TWO SPOTS.
I MEAN, THE CONCERN IS IF YOU'VE GOT SOME THE PERSON WHO LIVES THERE OR OPERATES THERE AND STAFF WHO THEN PARK ON THE STREET, OR THEY TAKE UP THE SPACE ON THE LOT AND THEN MAYBE IN FRONT OF THE STREET AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE, PEOPLE ON THE STREET AT THEIR HOMES.
IF THEY CAN'T PARK THERE, THEIR RESIDENTS OF THEIR OWN HOME OR GUESTS.
THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, IS THAT DOES IT START PUSHING ALL OF THAT OUT? I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT FINDING THAT OR IT'S JUST NOT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT THIS BECOMES A PROBLEM.
I WOULD SAY THAT THESE THINGS USUALLY SELF REGULATE IF THERE IS A LOT OF CONTENTIOUS POINT, AND WE START TO HEAR A311 CALLS OR THEY START TO NOT BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO ONE ANOTHER, I THINK AGAIN, THIS IS IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD ADJACENCY.
I WOULD SAY THAT THEY SELF REGULATE THE SPACES ON THE STREET ARE LIMITED.
YOU MAY HAVE HAVE AN OPEN SPACE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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OR AGAIN YOU WOULD ADJUST THE OPERATION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN PARK ON SITE.I WOULD TRUST THE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR SITUATION IN THIS, IN THIS, IN THIS KIND OF SITUATIONS.
WELL SOMETIMES THAT WORKS AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF POINTS IN THE DAY THOUGH WHERE THIS COULD CREATE A TRAFFIC ISSUE.
I KNOW IDEALLY WE'D LOVE TO THINK SOMEONE WOULD WALK DOWN THE STREET AND DROP THEIR CHILD OFF.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GOING TO WORK AND PICKING UP AFTER WORK WOULD BE BUSY.
IS THERE ANY PROVISION FOR THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE JUST ALLOW THE BUSINESS TO WORK OUT WITH THE PARENT? NOW, EVEN WHEN WE WILL GO BACK THE WAY WE REVIEW SOUPS RIGHT NOW WE DON'T ASK CHILDCARE'S FOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN OR ANYTHING.
WE JUST ASK THEM WHAT IS YOUR OPERATION? WHAT IS USUALLY IDEALLY LIKE YOUR NORMAL DROP OFF PICK UP TIME? HOW WOULD DO YOU HAVE A PICKUP LINE? AND SOMETIMES THEY DO, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
OKAY, SO IT MAY BE MORE FLUID.
AND THEN THE FINAL POINT IS ON PAGE 15 WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT SIGNAGE.
SO NO POLL SIGNS, BUT YOU CAN HAVE MONUMENT AND ATTACHED SIGNS.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL APPEARANCE IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, I THINK THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO.
SO IT'S THE SAME YOU WOULD SEE AT A SCHOOL OR A CHURCH? EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT.
MS.. WILLIS. MS.. BLACKMON, I AM GOING TO ENCOURAGE MEMBERS TO TO CHIME IN TO WHAT MS..
SCHULZ BROUGHT UP SPECIFIC TO THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR IF WE CAN GIVE STAFF A CONSENSUS ON THAT TOPIC SPECIFICALLY.
THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT.
SO EXPLAIN TO ME, COMMERCIAL IS WHAT IN OUR CITY LIKE, WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE IS THE LIGHTEST OF THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
I HAVE A BREAKDOWN IN HERE AND I WILL READ YOU COMMERCIAL SERVICES.
AND THEY ALLOW, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY A LITTLE BIT OF INDUSTRIAL USES JUST A SECOND AND SAY GIVE ME EXAMPLES LIKE WHAT WOULD IT BE? BE LIKE A TRUCK STOP, LIKE CAR REPAIRS, THAT TYPE OF INTENSITY, AND AN SP ADS ABOUT WHAT, NINE MONTHS TO THE PROCESS FOR, FOR OKAY.
IN THEORY THAT'S THE THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PATH.
SO IF IT'S A LOW BARRIER AND IT ADDS MORE TIME AND THIS PROBABLY IS AN AREA WHERE THEY ARE NEEDED, WHAT IS THE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY I WOULD CONTINUE TO ALLOW AN SFP IN A CS OR AN EIR, BECAUSE I HAVE SOME EARS THAT ARE NOT HEAVY AND IT WOULD BE. IT'S MORE LIKE THEY'RE THE BIG BOX STORAGE AREAS, RIGHT? AND THERE WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR BECAUSE IT ISN'T A DESERT.
SO HELP ME EXPLAIN WHY WE WOULD OR UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD NOT ELIMINATE AN SUP PROCESS.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN ALL OF THOSE.
WE SEND LETTERS TO THOSE 18 CENTERS THAT ALREADY HAVE CODES TO BE IN THESE INDUSTRIAL USES.
SO RIGHT NOW IN CS AND ALL INDUSTRIAL, THE DAYCARES ARE ALLOWED BY.
RIGHT. AND WE ONLY HAVE 18 CENTERS.
THE WAY WE LOOK AT THEM IS WHAT THEY USE.
COULD BE BECAUSE IF THE BIG BOX LEAVES THEN AN INDUSTRIAL INSIGHT FACILITY CAN COME IN.
THAT'S THE SUP. IS IT NEAR A HIGH POLLUTING, A HIGH POLLUTING OPERATION OR NOT? SO FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW IS LIKE, WHAT COULD IT BE? WHAT IS THE THE HIGHEST THRESHOLD THAT EXACTLY.
SO IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING IT TO A BODY? AND IT'S MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL COMPATIBLE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU BRING ANYTHING TO A POLITICAL BODY, IT ADDS, IT ADDS TIME AND FEELINGS.
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DID WE CONSIDER.I LOOKED AT OUR DRAFT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.
AND ALL BUT TWO OF THE FACILITIES ARE IN SOME OTHER PLACE TYPE OTHER THAN INDUSTRIAL.
AND SO THE THE POTENTIAL RISK THAT AN OPERATOR MIGHT HAVE, THEY WOULD OPEN UP A CHILD CARE FACILITY IN THIS AREA THAT'S PRIMARILY OFFICE, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE IT'S ZONED INDUSTRIAL.
AND YOU COULD DO OFFICE BY. RIGHT.
AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS DOWN THE LINE, YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL USE THAT ARRIVES.
AND THEY ARE SHOCKED THAT THEY HAVE THIS ENVIRONMENT THAT JUST POPULATES AROUND THEM, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. SO THE THOUGHT WOULD BE, WHY WOULD SOMEONE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS IF IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN EVERY OTHER ZONING DISTRICT? AND COULD IT JUST BE AN OFFICE DISTRICT, GET A ZONING CHANGE TO AN OFFICE DISTRICT, AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP WITH THE SMP PROCESS WHEN IT'S IN A NON RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE KIND OF THE THE LOGIC THAT WE HAD.
AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THEY'RE IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT INSTEAD OF JUST OPERATING BY RIGHT WITH NO, I DON'T KNOW, UNDERSTANDING.
SO SO HOW CAN WE FIX THIS ISSUE.
WE CAN CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT AND THE WAY THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW AND TRUST THE MARKET, MEANING THE OPERATION OR THE OPERATOR OF A CHILD CARE THAT IS GOING TO FIND A GOOD LOCATION, BECAUSE IF AGAIN, IT'S NOISY AIR POLLUTED, YEAH, PROBABLY THEY WON'T HAVE CLIENTS. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE DON'T WANT TO OPEN THE DOORS TO INEQUITIES.
BUT THIS IS THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW.
AND AGAIN, THE MARKET WAS PRETTY SMART IN DELIVERING ONLY 18 IN THOSE AREAS.
SO WE CAN OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, INCLUDING IN THE INDUSTRIAL, BECAUSE BY PUTTING AN SUPP IN THE INDUSTRIAL, YOU BASICALLY TAKE AWAY OR ADD A BARRIER TO A DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT. THAT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE NEED TO AGAIN MODERNIZE AND UPDATE OUR CODE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU IF YOU ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT, AND YOU'RE IN THIS PROCESS OF UPDATING IT, THAT YOU DON'T ALLOW ANY OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES, YOU CAN KIND OF PUT A MORATORIUM IN SAYING, WE ARE WAITING TILL EVERYTHING EQUALIZES.
SO LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, A CONCRETE BATCH PLANT RIGHT NOW REQUIRES AN SUPP AND I AM.
SO THERE IS NO DANGER UNLESS THERE IS ONE EXISTING THAT HAS NONCONFORMING RIGHTS.
HOWEVER, TRUCK STOPS AND THIS TYPE OF THEY CAN THEY CAN BE BY RIGHT.
OKAY. WE CAN I'LL LOOK AND I'LL TALK TO THE TEAM.
AND AS A PROCEDURE WE WOULD JUST AMEND IT AT, AT COUNCIL.
OR WOULD YOU BRING IT TO US? AMENDED? I CAN YEAH, WE CAN DRAFT A MOTION FOR WHOMEVER.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MISS BLACKMON.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, IF POSSIBLE, IS GET SOMETHING THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL.
WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRETTY BRILLIANT IDEA ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BY.
RIGHT, BUT REQUIRES ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
IS THAT SOMETHING I KNOW WE WE DO IT WITH SOMETIMES WITH ADJACENCIES AND A LITTLE BIT.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD SIMPLY OR.
IS THIS TOO AWKWARD TO RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL ABOUT? WELL, THE CODE AMENDMENT IS ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR COUNCIL.
WE ADVERTISE FOR IT SO IT WILL BE HEARD NEXT WEEK.
CORRECT. I WILL GET WITH THE TEAM AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND AN ADMINISTRATIVE.
THE LAYER OF REVIEW FOR LOCATION AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
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WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEW.FOR INSTANCE. WE HAVE CERTAIN DISTANCES IN SOME INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
WE HAVE DISTANCES FOR ALCOHOL SALES.
SO IT'S NOT AN UNKNOWN CONCEPT OR UNUSED CONCEPT IN OUR CODE RIGHT NOW.
GOOD. SO MAYBE WE CAN GET THAT LANGUAGE SO THAT FOR WEDNESDAY WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS SCHULTZ.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMENTS I WOULD I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE, I WOULD SAY THAT I AGREE ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL.
I THINK THAT WE COULD DEAL WITH THAT IN ADMINISTRATIVE AND CAN ONE THING THAT THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP WAS I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE CONCERN, BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN FOR THE INDUSTRIAL USES BEING ADJACENT, BUT FOR THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY PROBLEMATIC FOR AIR QUALITY, WE'RE NOW REQUIRING AN SP.
IS THAT NOT ACCURATE? YES. WHICH WAS THE CHANGE THAT WE DID TWO YEARS AGO WITH CONCRETE.
WHICH WAS A GREAT CHANGE, AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD AT LEAST PACIFY SOME OF THE CONCERN OF THESE POPPING UP NEXT TO WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN A BATCH PLANT COULD HAVE COME BY, RIGHT? SINCE THAT'S NO LONGER A RIGHT AFFORDED TO THEM.
WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KIND OF WEIGH IN THAT INEQUITABLE CONTEXT OF ZONING PRACTICES FROM OUR CITY'S HISTORY THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, JOPPY AND I'M ALWAYS GOING TO USE JOPPY AS A GREAT EXAMPLE, BUT THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY HEAVY INDUSTRY AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING THAT WERE KIND OF SLOWLY GETTING AWAY FROM, I THINK, TO IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
BUT I WOULD HATE FOR FOR A SMALL BUSINESS OPERATOR TO NOT BE ABLE TO OPEN UP CLOSE TO THE JOPPY COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THIS, WHEN WE KNOW THAT THESE PRACTICES ARE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH FORWARD DALLAS.
SO I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IN THE.
IN THE PRESENTATION, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WENT TO THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
CAN CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE ON WHY? YES, THERE WERE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ALLOWING THIS USE IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON NEIGHBORHOODS, THEIR OPERATION WHERE THEY POP UP, THE MASSING, THE SCALE, TRAFFIC, ALL OF THIS.
ONE OF THE MEETINGS WAS CONSISTENT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW, FOUR HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JUST TALKING ABOUT ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO ALLOW THEM IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT I AM CURIOUS IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF GIVE ME WHAT THE OPPOSITION IS LIKE, BECAUSE THIS SEEMS TO ME LIKE A NO BRAINER, AND I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULD HIT ANY, ANY WILL HURDLES.
AND SO I'LL SPEAK TO THAT AFTER THAT FEW.
ONE IS IS JUST BEING SEEN INSTEAD OF A SERVICE A BUSINESS.
IT'S THE ATTACHMENT OF WHAT THIS BUSINESS HAS TO OFFER AS A BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF YOU SEE IT ONLY AS A BUSINESS, THEN IT GATHERS A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
BUT WE ARE SEEING IT AS AN ADDED BENEFIT AND SERVICE TO SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT WAS ONE BIG DISCUSSION.
SECOND, HOW BIG THE OPERATION CAN BE.
SOMEBODY CAN COME ASSEMBLE A FEW LOTS AND CREATE A THOUSAND KIDS FACILITY.
THE REALITY OF THE MARKET IS THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE LOCATION BASED.
AND AS I WAS SAYING, WHEN YOU ARE LIKE A BIG OPERATOR THAT ARE DESTINATION TYPE, YOU KNOW HOW TO MANEUVER, ZONING AND ALL OF THIS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HURTING THE SMALL CENTERS.
SO THE FEAR WAS MOSTLY FOR THIS ONE OFF UNWANTED CONSEQUENCES.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THOSE ARE ALL REGULATED BY THE STATE, NOT US, RIGHT.
ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS ONE OF THE USES THAT IS HEAVILY REGULATED BY STATE.
THEY HAVE A RATIO OF SQUARE FOOTAGE PER KIDS, TEACHERS PER KIDS.
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IT'S THEY HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE FOR KIDS.IT'S ALL LIKE A VERY DEEP REGULATION BY STATE.
OKAY, THAT THAT WE RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD AS PROPOSED BY STAFF WITH THE CHANGE OF BY RIGHT WITH ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW FOR BOTH R AND CS I'LL SECOND THAT.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. CAN I ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION? YOU WANT TO KEEP THE SUP IN IM? OH, I'M SORRY, I THINK SHE SAID ALL BY RIGHT.
I WAS SAYING ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, ALL INDUSTRIAL WITH ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.
EXCELLENT. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THIS VOTE THROUGH.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE HUGE.
AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S A PERFECT TIMING AFTER THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS JUST PASSED FOR THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HOPEFULLY BE TAKING UP AS A BODY AND SEEING HOW WE CAN LIGHTEN THE BURDEN OF TAX ON OUR CHILD CARE FACILITIES IN THE CITY SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY MEET THIS DEMAND A LOT BETTER.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BRINGING THIS.
THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO BRIEFING ITEM C 2025 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM CARRIE ROGERS, THE DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, AND LINDLEY, THE SENIOR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COORDINATOR.
I HAVE ONE OF THOSE LAST NAMES TOO.
SO. GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
KERRY ROGERS, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
AND WITH ME IS LINDLEY YOUDERIAN, WHO IS OUR SENIOR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COORDINATOR.
WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU WHAT HAS BEEN OUR PROCESS TO DATE.
SO JUST QUICKLY TO REVIEW THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
PRIOR TO EACH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDA OUTLINING OFFICIAL CITY OF DALLAS POSITIONS ON VARIOUS LEGISLATIVE ISSUES. THESE PROGRAMS WILL SERVE AS CITY STAFF, COUNCIL MEMBERS, LOBBYISTS WHILE IN AUSTIN AND D.C., ADVOCATING FOR POLICY THROUGHOUT THE SESSIONS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
AND THEN HERE YOU'LL SEE OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA FOR THE 2023 SESSION.
YOU CAN FIND THESE ON THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS WEBSITE.
AND THEN HERE IS THE FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDA WHICH YOU CAN ALSO FIND ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO TO QUICKLY GO OVER THE 2023 QUALITY OF LIFE PRIORITIES FOR THE STATE, WE SUPPORTED LEGISLATION THAT FOSTERS CLEAN AND APPEALING NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE OFFERING RECREATIONAL, EDUCATIONAL AND CULTURAL ACTIVITIES.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL THESE.
YOU CAN SEE THE PRIORITIES WHICH YOU ADOPTED LAST YEAR.
AND FOR FEDERAL SIMILAR INCREASED FUNDING FOR DALLAS PARKS TRAILS AND PLAYGROUNDS.
AND ALSO DECRIMINALIZE THE USE OF FENTANYL TESTING STRIPS.
AND THEN HERE I WILL TURN IT TO CARRIE TO GO OVER THE SUGGESTED PROPOSED QUALITY OF LIFE PRIORITIES.
AND SO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HERE ARE POTENTIAL PRIORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, NOT ONLY WITHIN OUR BUILDING, BUT FROM FOLKS OUTSIDE OUR BUILDING PARTNERS AND LEGISLATORS.
SO SEEK PROPER FUNDING AND RESOURCES FOR PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH CARE.
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TREATMENT. WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED THAT ITEM FROM ONE OF OUR LEGISLATIVE LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION MEMBERS.DECRIMINALIZE THE USE OF FENTANYL TESTING STRIPS.
THIS IS A CARRYOVER FROM LAST SESSION, AND I BELIEVE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST COMMITTEE.
BUT THERE'S A BILL BEING CARRIED BY SENATOR CORNYN AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
AND SO IF THAT DOES PASS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, IT WILL PREEMPT ANY LEGISLATION HERE AT THE STATE LEVEL, SEEK FUNDING FOR PARKS, TRAILS AND INTERNATIONAL EVENTS. WE DID HAVE FUNDING SEEKING FUNDING FOR PARKS AND TRAILS IN THE LAST SESSION.
AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS EXPECTED TO HOST FIFA EVENTS IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO WE'RE JUST DIRECTOR ROGERS.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO GET SOME LOGISTICS.
YEAH, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SLIDE IN FRONT OF US.
WE DID DO AN UPDATED PRESENTATION.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT IT HAS A CHART.
YEAH. YEAH IT'S YES IT'S THE SAME THING OKAY.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT LOOK AND FEEL.
WE HAVE. WE HAVE? YEAH. I WAS FOLLOWING ALONG ON PAGE EIGHT.
SLIDE EIGHT. BUT THEN SLIDE NINE WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE.
WE CAN WORK WITH THAT ONE TOO.
OKAY. UM, SO WORKING THROUGH DECRIMINALIZED USE OF FENTANYL TESTING STRIPS.
WE NOTED HERE SEEKING FUNDING FOR MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS WAS ENSURE PROPER PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH CARE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THIS CLEANED UP SLIDE WHERE WE SAW SOME DUPLICATION.
UM, SEEK FUNDING MECHANISMS TO SUPPORT THE FIFA TOURNAMENT.
WE COMBINE THAT WITH SEEKING FUNDING FOR PARKS, TRAILS AND INTERNATIONAL EVENTS.
WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR CHART IS SORT OF THE MORE RAW LANGUAGE AS PEOPLE SUBMITTED IT.
A COUPLE OF ITEMS FROM THE LAST LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM, INCREASING FUNDING FOR OUR CULTURAL ASSOCIATION, THE CULTURE DISTRICT PROGRAM, AND THEN FUNDING FOR THE TEXAS STATE LIBRARY ARCHIVES COMMISSION RELATING TO TECHNICAL TECHNOLOGY AND DIGITAL INCLUSION.
YOU MAY RECALL SOME OF THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS ADVANCED DURING THE LAST SESSION THAT WOULD HAVE RESTRICTED THE TYPES OF BOOKS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE IN OUR PUBLIC LIBRARIES. SO THAT ITEM WAS SUBMITTED BY OUR LIBRARY DEPARTMENT TO GO BACK AND TRY AND CLEAN THAT UP.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING THAT OUT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
MEMBERS I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE.
I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU, MR. RIDLEY, AND WORK OUR WAY AROUND.
I DO WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE, THOUGH, THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF DISCUSSION OF EACH OF THESE PRIORITIES, BUT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT THESE PRIORITIES NEED TO BE, SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND GIVE US A PROPER PLATFORM TO ACTUALLY DEBATE AND DISCUSS THE PRIORITIES THEMSELVES.
MR. RIDLEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WHY DON'T WE INCLUDE EXPANSION OF MEDICAID ELIGIBILITY HERE? YES, SIR. SO THAT WILL BE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR WORKFORCE EDUCATION AND EQUITY COMMITTEE, INCLUDING EXPANDING FUNDING FOR SNAP, WICK AND MEDICAID EXPANSION.
OKAY. SO YOU FEEL THAT FALLS UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION, NOT THIS COMMITTEE'S.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT WAS LAST SESSION.
BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO FEEDBACK.
I CAN ALSO SAY THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCREPANCY IN OPINIONS OF WHERE JURISDICTIONS WERE.
WELL, I'M ALSO ON WEA, SO I'LL MAKE A POINT OF RECOMMENDING IT WHEN WE MEET NEXT WEEK, I BELIEVE.
YES, BUT I THINK THAT IS A PRIORITY THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
YES, SIR. FELICIA, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE SCHEDULE? IT SHOULD BE THE LAST SLIDE.
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PRIORITIES. I BELIEVE THE COMMITTEE HAD SET THE DEADLINE FOR DECEMBER 15TH TO RECEIVE SUGGESTED PRIORITIES.AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE MEETING JANUARY 8TH, WHERE WE WILL GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AND WERE SUBMITTED BY THE COMMITTEES. AND THAT WILL BE IN AMONG THAT LIST, ASSUMING IT PASSES THROUGH THE WORKFORCE COMMITTEE.
MS.. BLACKMON. SO, BACK ON THE TIMELINE.
IF IF IN JANUARY, WILL THERE BE A FINAL LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT COMES TO COUNCIL? WE ARE ANTICIPATING BRINGING THE FULL LIST TO THAT JANUARY 8TH MEETING, AND THEN THE SOONEST THAT IT COULD BE CONSIDERED BY FULL COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK, IS JANUARY 24TH.
SO HOW DO YOU OPEN IT BACK UP IF YOU'VE ALREADY SETTLED IT.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE IN THE OPIOID ADDICTION AND THE DECRIMINALIZING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS HARM REDUCTION AS A BUCKET, BECAUSE ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THE NEXT YEAR THAT CAN TRANSFORM THIS EPIDEMIC INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
WE MAY GET A NEW TYPE OF DRUG THAT IS EVEN MORE INTOXICATING.
SO I THINK HARM REDUCTION VERSUS JUST PIGEONHOLING US.
AND WE CAN SAY SUCH AS LEGALIZING TESTING STRIPS, MORE CLINICS, THAT SORT OF THING.
YES, MA'AM. I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE SORT OF FEEDBACK THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO RECEIVE.
OKAY. AND THEN SECONDLY, BECAUSE WE LOOK AT INCREASED MASS MEDICAL ASSISTED TREATMENT FOR OPIOID, WHICH COULD BE AS A HARM REDUCTION. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY COMBINING THEM.
AND THEN MY FAVORITE TOPIC OF ALL DREDGING WHITE ROCK LAKE.
YES. IF YOU ALL HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT PROJECT NO BEAVER COSTUME THIS YEAR ANYWAY.
COME IN THIS COMMITTEE, DOES IT COME IN THE PARKS, TRAILS AND ENVIRONMENT? DOES IT COME IN TRANSPORTATION? AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T FALL OFF JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHICH COMMITTEE IT GOES INTO? WELL, I THINK WE WOULD SEEK COUNCIL DIRECTION ON WHAT COMMITTEE THEY WOULD LIKE THAT ITEM TO COME THROUGH.
I BELIEVE IT IS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER THE INFRASTRUCTURE CATEGORY.
OKAY, LAST SESSION AT BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL, OKAY.
SO I'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONTINUES THROUGH THAT PATH.
OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MISS BLACKMON.
AND AGAIN, MEMBERS, DON'T BE AFRAID OF REPETITION.
I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE POUND IN WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE.
WELL, I THINK TO YOUR POINT, MR. RIDLEY'S. AND NOW MS..
BLACKMON'S POINT, WHAT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE MIGHT BE TO ADD A COLUMN THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE COMMITTEES THAT THIS COULD TOUCH AND HAVING A FOR MULTIPLE COMMITTEES TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT.
AND SO MAYBE THAT'S JUST A PRESENTATION WAY, THE WAY YOU'VE GOT STATE, FEDERAL, YOU COULD ALSO ADD A COLUMN FOR COUNCIL COMMITTEES OR COUNCIL WORK AND ALL THE ONES THAT THESE TOUCH.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I ALSO DIDN'T SEE AND I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS IT WOULD GO UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ON SOMEONE'S LIST THERE.
YES, I BELIEVE ON THE PUBLIC'S.
I BELIEVE ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY DRAFT.
THERE ARE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT SECURING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND TOOLS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A TRAUMA LIKE THAT IT DEFINITELY IMPACTS YOUR MENTAL HEALTH.
SO EVERY TIME A SCHOOL DOES A LOCKDOWN, IT IMPACTS THIS COMMITTEE.
SO AGAIN IT'S THE MULTIPLE BOXES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS SCHULTZ.
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I JUST WANTED TO DRILL A LITTLE MORE INTO THE SECOND ITEM ON THE BLUE CHART.AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? BECAUSE, I MEAN, ADDICTION IS NOT NECESSARILY A GEOGRAPHIC I MEAN, IT MAY BE A GEOGRAPHIC CONCENTRATION, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYONE BEHIND ON THIS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S DRIVING THAT IN PARTICULAR.
I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT'S DRIVING THAT.
AND SO WE HAVE SOME HOTSPOTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, SIMILAR TO THAT OF THE VIOLENT CRIME THAT HAVE SHOWN A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CONCENTRATION IN SOUTHERN DALLAS AND EVEN MORE SPECIFIC OF A GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION THAT THE NARCAN HAS BEEN ADMINISTERED.
AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THE DEMAND OF WHERE THEY ARE.
AND IT WASN'T I WOULD SAY THAT I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH THE WORDING BEING CHANGED, BUT I THINK THAT IF THIS WERE GIVING SPECIFIC AND TANGIBLE EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE DATA TO BACK UP ON, WHY? WELL, AND I MEAN, GIVEN THAT THIS WON'T BE CONSIDERED FOR OVER A YEAR, AND THEN COMING INTO, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF FRUITION IN THE FORM OF FUNDS OR LAW OR WHATEVER. YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE FLUID SO THAT IF A HOTSPOT MOVES OR IF NEW ONES ARE ADDED, HOPEFULLY NOT.
AND SO THERE WERE SOME BARRIERS THAT EXISTED INTO SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES AND WHY WE WANTED.
BUT I THINK THAT IT COULD BE A MORE FLUID VERBIAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR IT TO BE MAYBE LIKE DATA SUPPORTED AREAS OR CENSUS TRACKS.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO GO ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT POINT, MR. GRACEY. THANK YOU.
CARRIE. I DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW TO VERBALIZE THIS, BUT REALLY, WITH THE INFLUX OF WAREHOUSES AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY OF AIR QUALITY AROUND THOSE WAREHOUSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO ADD TO THE LIST.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO VERBALIZE IT YET.
BUT I'LL GET WITH YOU OFFLINE TO PUT SOME LANGUAGE TOGETHER TO REALLY ADDRESS THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AROUND, PARTICULARLY IN SOUTHERN DALLAS WITH ALL OF THE WAREHOUSES AND THE DIESELS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET CONTROL OF.
YES, SIR. I BELIEVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE WAS BRIEFED LAST MONTH VIA MEMO.
YES, TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS.
BUT GET SOMETHING HERE SPECIFICALLY TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
I THINK IT SPEAKS TO MISS SCHULTZ'S COMMENTS ABOUT SOME OF THESE ITEMS. MAY TOUCH MULTIPLE COMMITTEES, CORRECT? CORRECT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ON RECORD AS DOCUMENTING THAT AND PUTTING IT ON, PARTICULARLY ON THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MR. GRACEY. YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF THERE WAS MAYBE A WAY THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE SOME KIND OF LEGISLATION OURSELVES, INSTEAD OF THIS BEING A DIRECTIVE TO JUST ATTACH TO SOME THAT ARE FILED AND, AND LOOK AT POTENTIAL REQUIRED AIR MONITORS IN CERTAIN CONCENTRATIONS, OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES THAT GIVES SOME TYPE OF OVERSIGHT FOR LOCALITIES.
SINCE WE KNOW THAT TCU IS SO INVOLVED WITH THE ACTUAL PERMITTING OF THESE FACILITIES.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT YOU ALL COULD COME UP WITH PROPOSED IN THAT MANNER.
YES. AS PART OF THE THE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, WHAT I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COMMITTEE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO THROUGH, CALL THIS LIST, YOU KNOW, GET PAST SORT OF WHAT HAS BEEN THE ROUGH OR LANGUAGE SUBMITTED, REMOVE DUPLICATES, DIVIDE THEM UP BY ANTICIPATED COMMITTEE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE COME THROUGH STRATEGIC PRIORITIES SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, AND THEN RECEIVE THAT DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL OF THESE ARE THE ONES WE WANT TO FILE.
AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO TO PUT TOGETHER OUR PROGRAM AND SELL IT, IS WE WILL HAVE TIME TO GO FIND BILL AUTHORS AND WORK THROUGH LANGUAGE AND MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS WHO, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE A YAY OR NAY FEELING ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO PURSUE.
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SO I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ON SCHEDULE, IF NOT A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, TO BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE TYPES OF TASKS.CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR ROGERS.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD AT THIS AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RESENDEZ. MISS BLACKMON.
SO BACK TO THAT LAST COMMENT ABOUT WE ADOPTED.
AND THAT STUFF WON'T EVEN BE SOLID UNTIL NOVEMBER.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT IN THE RESOLUTION OR IN THE MOTION.
SO THAT WAY THE WHOLE BODY IS ABLE TO WEIGH IN, AND NOT JUST THE COMMITTEE OR EVEN THE CHAIR.
SO THAT IS MY FEELINGS, IS THAT THIS CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE ON THROUGH THE YEAR.
HOWEVER, WE WILL GET ONE HURDLE DONE AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER HURDLE AT THE END OF THE YEAR GOING INTO OUR FINAL STATE, INTO GOING INTO OUR STATE SESSION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MISS BLACKMON.
HOWEVER, I THINK THAT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IF IT WERE TO GO THROUGH THIS MUCH DUE DILIGENCE, GO TO ONE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THAT THAT IT'S ACTIONABLE ONLY AT THAT COMMITTEE.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ACTUAL ACTION, IT WOULD BE MUCH CLEANER FOR US TO GET A FULL COUNCIL BRIEFING AFTER THE LEGWORK HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND ALLOW FOR US TO TAKE ACTION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF MOTIONS TO AMEND THIS ON THE FLOOR LIKE WE SAW LAST YEAR AS AN ATTEMPT.
SO I WOULD JUST OFFER THAT TO YOU ALL.
I THINK THAT, OF COURSE, A MOTION TO TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
YES, SIR. AND I'LL MAKE A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROCESS.
WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE MEETING ON MONDAY.
IS THAT RIGHT? MONDAY AFTERNOON.
AND SO THE MATERIALS WILL PUSH OUT ON FRIDAY.
AND AND WHILE WE'RE NOT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ACTION AT THAT COMMITTEE MEETING.
WE DO PLAN ON BRINGING THE INVENTORY OF WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED SO FAR.
AND SO YOU ALL WILL SEE THAT HOPEFULLY AGAIN, WE'LL.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH CLEANING, MAKING SOME CLEANUP.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, AND ASKING THE CHAIR IF THE COMMITTEE IS ALSO AGREEABLE TO THIS, IS WE PLAN ON PREPARING MEMOS FOR EACH OF THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS TO SUBMIT BACK TO US.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SUBMIT FOR THE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM.
SO LINDLEY IS PREPARING THOSE MEMOS FOR YOU, ALL THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS TO SAY AND WHAT WE'VE PUT IN THERE, BECAUSE WE'RE SO ON TIME WITH THE SCHEDULE, IS SOME LANGUAGE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT LIST THAT SAYS, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL MONTHS UNTIL THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND SO WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THE PROGRAM, IF SO NEEDED, TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN THESE COMMITTEES. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
LET'S KEEP EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM THIS COMMITTEE ON THAT MEMO, PLEASE.
AND FOR MY PRIORITIES THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN LISTED AND MENTIONED, I WOULD LIKE TO TO ASK THAT AN AMENDMENT TO THE PARKS CODE IN THE STATE STATUTE FOR RENTAL CAR TAXATION, ONE OF THE INELIGIBLE USES IS FACILITIES WITHIN OUR MUNICIPAL PARK SERIES.
AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE AMENDMENT THAT WE SOUGHT AND WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH ON THE BRIMER BILL WHEN THOSE HOT TAXES WERE NOT ABLE TO BE USED. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEEK A CARVE OUT FOR FAIR PARK SPECIFICALLY, ESPECIALLY WITH FIFA AND THE WORLD CUP COMING.
IT'S A IT'S A GREAT REVENUE SOURCE FOR OUR CITY, AND IT'S IT'S ONE THAT WE CAN'T EXPLORE RIGHT NOW.
FOR THOSE USES, I'D LIKE TO BREAK DOWN THAT BARRIER.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'D LIKE FOR THERE TO BE KIND OF AN OVERARCHING PRIORITY OF EXPLORING DIFFERENT
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REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR POLICE AND FIRE PENSION OBLIGATIONS, AND ONE IN PARTICULAR IS TRACKING ANY LEGS OF ANY LEGISLATION FOR THE POTENTIAL OF GAMBLING.I'M EXPECTING THAT TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN THIS NEXT SESSION.
DALLAS IS NOT AN ANOMALY IN THE PENSION CRISIS ACROSS THE STATE.
SO IF WE WANT TO MAKE THESE SUSTAINABLE PROGRAMS, WE NEED TO BE TAPPING INTO ANY REVENUE SOURCES THAT WE CAN AT THE STATE LEVEL, IN ADDITION TO GAMBLING, MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION, IF THAT IS GOING TO MOVE ANY FURTHER, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE WHAT MAY NOT BE THE MOST POPULAR STANCES IN TRYING TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT WE NEED TO BE MORE EXPLICIT AND DIRECT TO OUR DELEGATION THAT THESE WOULD BRING HUGE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CITIES THAT THEY REPRESENT.
THAT WAS A BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION THIS PAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT I THINK IT WILL BE EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL TO, OF COURSE, OUR CITY, BUT ALL ACROSS THE STATE, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN.
HOW ARE YOU? OH, THIS IS I THINK THOSE ARE OUR URSULINE GUESTS.
GOOD MORNING. BUT BAND THE BOX IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE'VE DONE LOCALLY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WAYS IT COULD BE WORDED, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET MENTAL HEALTH AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO REPRESENT WHERE URSULINE IS.
MISS WILLIS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING TO OUR GUESTS.
SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE GOING TO LEAVE.
SO WELCOME TO OUR URSULINE ACADEMY INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS.
SO THEY COME FROM I THINK I READ TAIWAN, WHERE I'M SORRY.
TAIWAN. SO YOU'RE TAKING A TOUR OF CITY HALL AND WELCOME INTO THE CHAMBERS.
AND WE'RE SO GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE TODAY.
HERE. DALLAS IS INTERNATIONAL CHAIRMAN. I DID WANT TO MENTION TO YOU THAT THE SEEKING ADDITIONAL FUNDING STREAMS FOR THE PENSION, I KNOW, IS IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY PLATFORM THAT WAS PRESENTED OR IS BEING AGAIN PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
BUT AGAIN, WE'LL DO SOME WORK ON OUR END TO TRY AND WORK THESE THROUGH AND ASSIGN THEM OUT TO COMMITTEES AND INDICATE WHERE IT WAS REQUESTED THAT THEY TOUCH ON MULTIPLE COMMITTEES FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
AND I DO APPRECIATE HEARING THAT.
AGAIN, I'M NOT AFRAID OF THE REPETITION.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT TO BE A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
SO I'M GLAD THAT IT'S COMING FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, BUT I THINK THAT THE PENSION SHOULD BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE SPECIFICS OF WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO. AND AGAIN, I WANT IT TO BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT TIPTOED APPROACH THAT WE HAD LAST TIME, AND SAYING THAT WE WILL ATTACH TO OTHER THINGS, WE SHOULD BE ON THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT THIS SOLUTION IS.
AND SO SUGGESTING SOME OF THESE PARTICULAR REVENUE STREAMS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET AHEAD OF, INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE. AND WE'RE GOING TO ATTACH OUR NAME TO IT.
WELL, WE HAVE TO PENSION COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE, I KNOW AT LEAST.
SO WE'LL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE WE RECEIVE THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE PENSIONS COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU. MEMBERS. GREAT DISCUSSION FEEDBACK.
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM OUR DIRECTOR OF AVIATION, PATRICK I DON'T SEE.
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GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
PATRICK MORENO, DIRECTOR OF AVIATION.
WITH ME TODAY IS CHRIS SWICKARD, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR OPERATIONS.
AND CANDICE BRYANT FROM TRANSPORTATION REGULATION.
AND SHE'S THE MANAGER THAT OVERSEES THIS PROGRAM.
TRANSPORTATION REGULATION IS A DIVISION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION RIGHT NOW.
SO THE ORDINANCE THAT THIS FALLS UNDER IS 47 A TRANSPORTATION FOR HIRE.
THERE IS CURRENTLY ONE APPROVED HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE COMPANY THAT OPERATES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND WITHIN THAT THEY HAVE FIVE CARRIAGE PERMITS ISSUED TO DATE. WE'RE HERE.
WE WANT TO BRIEF YOU ON THE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THE CURRENT CARRIAGE REGULATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS CODE, AND PROVIDED YOU SOME COMPARISONS ON WHAT'S GOING OUT THERE ON NATIONWIDE.
SO WE HAVE ON SECTION 47 A I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS ALL, BUT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPERATE WITH PROPER AUTHORITY TO OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY.
AND ALSO THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BE APPROPRIATELY OPERATE WITHIN A PAVED STREET.
SO THERE'S INFORMATION ON THEIR DIFFERENT CONDITION OF THE HORSES OUTLINED THERE.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE TEN MINUTE REST PERIOD FOR EVERY 15 MINUTES WORKED.
THEY CAN'T HAVE LESS THAN FIVE GALLONS OF DRINKING WATER AVAILABLE AT LEAST EVERY TWO HOURS.
ALSO WITHIN THIS SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE.
THEY, THEY, THEY CAN'T WORK LONGER THAN EIGHT HOURS IN 24 HOUR PERIOD.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE 12 HOUR REST.
UM, THE FITTING OF THE HARNESSES, SANITARY DEVICES IMPORTANT HERE IS OUTSIDE TEMPERATURES.
KNOW THE SUMMER. WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW DAYS OVER 99 DEGREES.
UM, AND THEY HAVE TO BE EXAMINED AT LEAST ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS BY A VETERINARIAN.
CURRENT HORSE CARRIAGE REGULATIONS.
SO THERE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS APPLY TO THIS SINCE THEY'RE NON MOTORIZED.
SO WE LOOKED AT SIMILAR CITIES MAYBE OUT THERE.
WE ALSO HAVE COMPARABLES BUT SIMILAR.
INDIANAPOLIS YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY HAVE SPECIFIC HOURS ON WHEN THEY CAN OPERATE.
OKLAHOMA CITY HAS FEW, VERY FEW REGULATIONS OTHER THAN WE HAVE SOME MORE DETAIL THAN.
IT CAN'T BE A STALLION THAT'S OPERATING IT.
AND NEW YORK HAS QUITE A FEW, WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE MOST OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS AS WELL.
WE DETAIL THIS OUT IN A CHART AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
WE WANTED TO SHOW A COMPARABLE.
SO A TEXAS CITY CITY OF AUSTIN.
THEY THE VETERINARY LICENSE HAS TO BE ISSUED IN 90 DAYS IS A DIFFERENCE FROM OURS.
IDENTIFYING DESCRIPTION OF THE ANIMAL.
STATEMENT OF THE ANIMAL HAS BEEN EXAMINED BY A VETERINARIAN FOR THEIR WELL-BEING.
TEMPERATURES ABOVE 90 DEGREES IN AUSTIN, WHEREAS OURS IS 99.
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ALSO WITH AUSTIN, THEY CAN HAVE NO MORE THAN ONE HOUR WITHOUT A TEN MINUTE REST PERIOD.OURS IS 50 MINUTES LONGER THAN THREE CONSECUTIVE HOURS WITHOUT A CONTINUOUS, ONE CONTINUOUS ONE HOUR REST PERIOD, LONGER THAN A TOTAL OF SIX HOURS PER DAY INSTEAD OF EIGHT, COMPARED TO HOURS MORE THAN FIVE CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITHOUT A 24 HOUR REST PERIOD.
THEY HAVE MORE ON SPECIFIC HOURS THAT THEY CAN OPERATE ON CERTAIN DAYS.
THEY HAVE THE LICENSE BY CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ANIMAL CARE SERVICES DEPARTMENT HAS TO REVIEW THEIRS AND THEY HAVE TO BE MICROCHIPPED IS A DIFFERENCE.
AND THEY HAVE A REGULAR THEY'RE CONTRACTED BY VETERINARY, IS EMPLOYED AND CONTRACTED BY THE CITY TO ACTUALLY BE AVAILABLE FOR REGULAR SCHEDULED INSPECTIONS OF THE HORSES.
ALSO WITH CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, MORE SPECIFICS ON WHAT THEY DO.
SO THERE HAS ALSO BEEN HORSE CARRIAGE BANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE LISTED SOME OF THE CITIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE ENACTED BANS RECENTLY.
SOME OF THE LARGER ONES BEING CHICAGO AND SALT LAKE CITY.
ALSO IN LAS VEGAS, THEY ARE BANNED FROM THE STRIP.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT TEMPERATURES OVER THE SUMMER HOLIDAY EVENTS WHERE WE'LL HAVE TRANSPORTATION AND INSPECTORS CONDUCT MORE FOCUSED RANDOM INSPECTIONS. AND THE GOAL WAS TO WITH THESE IS OBVIOUSLY ORDINANCE COMPLIANCE.
AND ARE THEY FOLLOWING THE RULES.
ARE THEY ARE THEY PERMITTED AND ABLE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS? THIS ONE PARTICULARLY, THERE WAS THE EXTREME TEMPERATURES AND WE COMPLETED THIS ONE ON AUGUST, IN AUGUST OF 2023 THIS YEAR.
WITHIN THE FINDINGS, OPERATIONS DID CEASE IN RAINY CONDITIONS, AND WHEN THE TEMPERATURES WERE ABOVE 99 DEGREES, THE COMPANY DID HAVE A PERMIT INSURANCE VALIDATED BY THE INSPECTORS, AND TWO CITATIONS ISSUED ON IN SEPTEMBER IN THE AFTERNOON EVENING SHIFT TO INDIVIDUALS WITH NO DRIVERS PERMIT FOR THOSE CARRIAGES.
WE WOULD LOOK TO BRING THIS BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE IN THE SPRING OF 24, AND THEN ALSO DEVELOP OPTIONS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF OUTLINE.
WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION BUT THAT WE PUT ON THESE SPECIFIC CITIES.
SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT HIGH LEVEL EVERYBODY IS DOING FROM REST PERIODS, WORK MAXIMUMS, TEMPERATURES AND SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE FOR THESE OPERATIONS. IT'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
MEMBERS I SEE, MR. RIDLEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WHAT PROMPTED THE BRIEFING TODAY? I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO WE WOULD LOOK TO GET ON THAT FORECAST AND PROVIDE THIS BRIEFING TO THIS COMMITTEE.
OKAY. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY INSTANCES UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS OF INJURY TO THE HORSES, HEALTH OR INCIDENTS WHILE WORKING THAT YOU THINK INDICATE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL REGULATION? AT THIS TIME, WE DID.
WE DID FOLLOW UP WITH OUR INSURANCE COMPANY, AND THERE IS NO RECORD OF ANY ACCIDENTS OR INCIDENTS.
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NOT TO SAY THAT IT HASN'T BEEN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION OR FINDINGS FROM OUR INSPECTORS AT THIS TIME.OKAY. WELL THAT'S REASSURING IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONAL REGULATIONS.
I'M A LITTLE BIT HANDICAPPED IN NOT BEING A VETERINARIAN FOR EQUINE HEALTH TO KNOW WHAT'S APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF REGULATIONS AND WHAT ISN'T. BUT THE ONE THING THAT DID STRIKE ME WAS THE TEMPERATURE LIMITATION OF 99 DEGREES SEEMS EXCESSIVE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT DROPPED TO PERHAPS 90 DEGREES LIKE AUSTIN DOES.
FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD INTERFERE MUCH WITH THE BUSINESS, BECAUSE HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO BE OUT IN THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE WHEN IT'S 100 DEGREES OUT? YEAH. SO BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO WRITE THAT INTO THE REGULATION.
WE WILL WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND THAT WAS WHY WE WANTED TO KIND OF SHOW SOME COMPARABLES IN TEXAS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND COME BACK WITH THAT.
THESE HORSES HAVE A PURPOSE IN LIFE AND THAT'S TO WORK.
IF WE BAN THIS OPERATION, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE HORSES? THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN.
AND IF THEY DON'T GENERATE INCOME, THERE'S NO MOTIVATION TO KEEP THEM AROUND.
THAT IS, I THINK, GOOD FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE HORSES THAT HAVE A PURPOSE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY. MISS SCHULTZ.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AND THANKS FOR THIS WORK ON THIS.
THERE'S. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
ONE IS FROM THE FROM A FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY PIECE.
HOW? I KNOW WE DID THE ONE INSPECTION.
HOW MUCH DOES IT COST US TO TO MONITOR THIS SERVICE? SO THIS IS PART OF THE INSPECTOR'S JOBS.
SO THIS IS PART OF OUR PROGRAM WITHIN TRANSPORTATION REGULATION AND WHAT INSPECTORS ARE CHECKING.
SO ANY OF THE TRANSPORTATION FOR HIRE THAT'S WHAT THE INSPECTORS ARE DOING.
BUT I'LL HAVE CHRIS SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT.
GOOD MORNING. CHRIS SCHWEIKERT, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION.
SO THEY ARE REQUIRED TO COME IN FOR AN ANNUAL INSPECTION OF THE VEHICLES.
SO STAFF TIME IS VERY MINIMAL.
SO WE RELY ON THE VETERINARIAN STATEMENTS THAT WE REQUIRE.
SO THEY'RE REQUIRED WHENEVER THEY MAKE THEIR APPLICATION, WHICH IS ANNUAL, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A CERTIFICATE FROM THE VETERINARIAN SAYING THEY'VE INSPECTED THOSE HORSES WITHIN THE PREVIOUS SIX MONTHS.
AS PATRICK MENTIONED, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES DO 90 DAYS.
I THINK IT'S AUSTIN, FOR EXAMPLE.
OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE IS SET AT SIX MONTHS, SO WE DON'T PHYSICALLY EXAMINE THE HORSES.
WE DON'T HAVE VETERINARIANS ON STAFF TO DO THAT.
WE RELY ON A TEXAS CERTIFIED VETERINARIAN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WE DO IT? HOW OFTEN DO WE GO NOW, LIKE FROM THANKSGIVING TO THE NEW YEAR OR WHATEVER? SO THE OPERATIONS. IN DALLAS REALLY DON'T INCREASE.
IT'S PRIMARILY WITHIN WEST END DEEP ELLUM AREA WHERE THEY'RE OPERATING.
SO THAT'S JUST PART OF OUR NORMAL INSPECTION.
BUT THEY'RE ON OUR STREETS, SOME OF THEM, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. BUT WE'RE NOT INSPECTING THOSE FOR PERMITS.
IF THEY OPERATE ON OUR STREETS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN OPERATING PERMIT.
WE'RE NOT MAKING SURE DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON THAT THEY HAVE A PERMIT.
RIGHT. SO SO THEY SPOT CHECKS AND THINGS.
YEAH, MAYBE I COULD I BELIEVE THEY HAVE TO HAVE AUTHORIZATION FROM TRANSPORTATION FOR THAT ROUTE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE APPROVAL TO COME ONTO OUR STREETS TO GET INTO HIGHLAND PARK.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION.
BUT THEY TRAILER THE HORSES TO GET TO HIGHLAND PARK.
THEY DON'T THEY DON'T USE THE CARRIAGES TO GET TO HIGHLAND PARK USING OUR STREETS.
THEY TRAILER THE HORSES INTO HIGHLAND PARK AND THEN USE THE HORSES THERE.
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OKAY, WHATEVER.I'LL MOVE ON. I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REGULATE ON TEMPERATURE FOR COLD.
OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPROPRIATE IS.
AND SO THAT SPEAKS TO MY NEXT POINT, WHICH IS I THINK IT'S REALLY WORTH IT FOR US TO SPEAK WITH DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES AND OUR ON OUR, ON STAFF VETERINARIANS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THE ANIMAL CARE REGULATIONS PIECE OF THIS AND GET THE GET THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR VETERINARIANS RATHER THAN SOMEBODY PAID VETERINARIAN.
YES. THE OTHER THING IS SAME THING ON CONSECUTIVE HOURS.
AND THEN WHAT I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE THAT'S REGULATED, THAT SHOULD BE IN MY OPINION, WHICH IS TOTAL WEIGHT PULLED HAVE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE CARRIAGE, YOU'VE GOT WHO KNOWS WHAT ON PEOPLE.
AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF BURDEN THESE ANIMALS ARE HAVING TO PULL AND FOR HOW LONG AT A TIME, ESPECIALLY IF WE WE DO HAVE THE REST HOUR, BUT WE DON'T WE? I THINK OURS IS 12 HOURS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S A LOT OF WEIGHT CONSECUTIVELY.
THE OTHER THING IS I'D LIKE TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE USE THE DATA ON USE LIKE HOW MANY.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT EVEN HERE? IS IT FIVE CARRIAGES FOR THE WHOLE CITY OF DALLAS? AND IF SO, HOW MANY HOURS? WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT? SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WHEN YOU COME BACK.
OKAY. AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU REACH DO YOUR PUBLIC OUTREACH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUTREACH TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE THE ADVOCATES WITHIN THE DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES DIVISION, BECAUSE THEY HAVE QUITE A LARGE CONSTITUENCY OF PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT ANIMALS.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT FOOD TRUCKS DO.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT A LOT OF THE TRANSPORTATION FOR HIRE DO.
SO OTHER THAN ENTERTAINMENT, IS THERE ANY OTHER SERVICE THAT THIS IS PROVIDING FOR OUR CITY? SO THANK YOU WITH THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MISS SCHULTZ.
AND SO I THINK EVEN THOUGH I ASK YOU FOR FOR THE CRASH DATA AND ACCIDENT DATA, I MEAN, AS I'VE BEEN THINKING MORE ABOUT THIS, I THINK IT'S JUST WHERE ARE WE IN 2023, 2024 WITH RELATION TO THINKING ABOUT THE HORSE AND ITS QUOTE UNQUOTE JOB? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT IN AN AGRARIAN SOCIETY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WORK OF THIS AND WORKING UP TO EIGHT HOURS PER DAY PULLING A CARRIAGE FOR PLEASURE, I'VE SEEN MOTORIZED OPTIONS THAT ARE QUITE CHARMING, FAIRY TALE LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, IT COULD PROBABLY STILL HAVE THE SAME CHARM, BUT I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THAT THERE ARE SOME MOTORIZED OPTIONS AROUND, BUT AND IT COULD BE THAT THERE IS STILL AN OPTION FOR US FOR THE WEDDINGS AND FUNERALS, SOMETHING WHERE IT'S MORE CONTAINED, NOT NECESSARILY ON A CITY STREET WHERE IT COULD HARM, YOU KNOW, IMPAIR TRAFFIC FLOW OR THAT SORT OF THING.
THE MAIN CONCERN I HAVE IS ABOUT, I MEAN, THIS WILL CONTINUE IN HIGHLAND PARK.
THEY CAN DO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR OWN PRACTICES.
BUT THE STAGING THAT GOES ON EITHER IN DALLAS OR I MEAN, THERE'S A CHURCH IN HIGHLAND PARK, BUT IT'S RIGHT BY THE CITY LINE AND A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS TO PUT UP WITH THE SOUNDS, THE SMELLS, THAT SORT OF THING.
IN FACT, BAZALDUA SAID HE SAW STAGING HAPPENING AT THE KALITA HUMPHREYS THEATER PARKING LOT.
SO IF THERE ARE OPERATORS IN HIGHLAND PARK WHO AREN'T PERMITTED WITH US AND ARE, I DON'T KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE KIND OF SLIPPING THROUGH ON THIS. YEAH, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
COUNCIL MEMBER. I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE AWAY AS WELL.
THESE SPECIAL EVENTS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY EDUCATED ON WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE? SO THEY STILL HAVE TO GET THAT ROUTE APPROVED, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON OUR SPECIAL EVENT, AS THE CHAIRMAN HAD SAID, THAT ONE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THINGS THAT WE CAN START TO LOOK AT.
AND ARE THEY EDUCATED ON WHAT OUR POLICIES ARE AND WHAT THE PERMITTING PROCESSES ARE? AND DO WE FIND THE ONES THAT THAT ARE SO WE CAN WE HAVE THAT AS A TAKEAWAY IN HIGHLAND PARK HAS A NEW TOWN ADMINISTRATOR.
AND SO I'M SURE HE'D BE HAPPY TO TO HEAR OUR CONCERN AROUND THIS.
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OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS WILLIS.
COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS PRETTY MUCH KIND OF WENT IN THE DIRECTION THAT I WAS GOING.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION TO THAT IS, ONE, IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMPANIES APPROACH YOU TO ENTER THIS MARKET IN THE LAST YEAR? I'LL STOP THERE AND SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
WE HAVE, BUT I'LL LET CANDACE ANSWER THAT.
HI. CANDACE BRYANT, THE MANAGER OF THIS DIVISION.
NO, WE'VE ONLY HAD THE ONE COMPANY FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
RIGHT. SO I GUESS GOING TO THAT, HOW ARE WE VERIFYING THAT THERE AREN'T ANY.
ROAD COMPANIES OUT THERE OPERATING.
I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION IS SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GRACEY. MR. RESENDEZ. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, ONCE AGAIN.
I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
AND I WANT TO DO. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE ALL THE FOLKS, ALL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, REACHING OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THIS ISSUE. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE WHERE THE WHERE THE CONVERSATION GOES.
BUT AT THIS MOMENT, I'M NOT PREPARED TO COMMIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
BUT AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS CONVERSATION.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PROCESS.
THANK YOU, MR. RESENDEZ, AND THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I'LL JUST START WITH I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM BANNED.
I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT THERE IS A REVENUE IMPLICATION.
AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ANY INVESTMENT THAT WE APPROVE.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT I THINK THAT THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME INHUMANE PRACTICES WITH ALLOWING THIS TO GO AROUND. AND I THINK THAT JUST IN THIS SHORT TIME OF A BRIEFING, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT CAN BE DONE TO ENFORCE THIS UNLESS WE ARE GOING TO REALLY COMMIT A LOT OF RESOURCES TO BE OUT AND BEING PROACTIVE AND AGAIN, DO NOT SEE THE BENEFIT, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THE MAJORITY, FAR MAJORITY OF THESE OPERATORS ARE LEAVING OUR STREETS AND GOING TO ANOTHER CITY.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PARK CITIES TAKE CARE OF THE REGULATION PIECE INSTEAD OF US KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SPREADING THIN TO TO TRY TO ENFORCE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPERATING ILLEGALLY ON OUR STREETS, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE KALITA HUMPHREYS AND GOING UP INTO PARK CITIES.
AND I MEAN, JUST A SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH SHOWS THAT THERE THERE ARE FOUR COMPANIES THAT POP UP THAT YOU CAN MAKE RESERVATIONS WITH, ALL WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS.
ONLY ONE OF THOSE FOUR ARE THE ONES THAT ARE PERMITTED WITH YOU ALL.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, AS AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO YOU AS WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A CONCERN WITH US BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT EFFECTIVELY IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE INHUMANE.
CONCERNS WITH THIS AS A PRACTICE AS A WHOLE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO WONDER WHY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REQUIREMENT OF BREED IN HORSES, SEEING THAT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE PUSHED BY STALLIONS TO ME SAYS A LOT ABOUT CUTTING COSTS, QUITE FRANKLY, TO MR. RIDLEY'S POINT, IF IF THIS WAS REALLY AN INVESTMENT ABOUT BRINGING IN THE BEST EXPERIENCE, WE SHOULD HAVE HORSES THAT WERE BRED TO HAUL.
AND THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE WITH ALMOST ANY OF THESE.
WE WE SHOULD BE SEEING MORE CLYDESDALES OR TENNESSEE WALKERS OR THOSE WHO WERE BRED TO PULL SUCH.
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YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE LITTLE STALLIONS ON OUR STREET FROM OUR MOUNTED POLICE.YOU KNOW, THEY USE THE RIGHT BREEDS THAT SHOULD BE PULLING, PUSHING AND IN DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW.
I GUESS, I GUESS WHERE MY WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ALL AS, AS THE DEPARTMENT THAT IS OVER THIS INDUSTRY, WHAT BENEFIT DO THEY BRING? TO THE CITY, AND I.
THE I THINK FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE'RE IT'S A TRANSPORTATION FOR HIRE BUSINESS THAT'S OPERATING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRANSPORTATION REGULATION.
IT WAS A VERY GOOD ANSWER, PATRICK.
AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO BE, YOU KNOW, ASSUME THE POSITION OF POLICYMAKING, BUT I'M ASKING BECAUSE YOU YOU ALL ARE IN, I GUESS, THE MOST TECHNICAL PIECE TO THIS INDUSTRY.
I'M JUST CURIOUS TO TO SEE WHAT IMPLICATIONS NEGATIVELY TO THE COMMUNITY WOULD YOU SEE HAVE THE THE BODY ADOPT A BAN? SURE. I THINK IT'S A SERVICE THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.
BUT I THINK OUR OUR QUESTIONS AND WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT COMPARABLE IS, IS WHAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS BROUGHT UP TODAY IS THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A ELECTRIC VERSION THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MEETS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT NEED IN THE CITY THAT IF THAT'S A NEED, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO GET TO IT? SO THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF MY PERSPECTIVE.
AND OF THE FIVE CARRIAGES FROM THE ONE OPERATOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE RATIO OF ACTUAL BUSINESS THAT REMAINS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS VERSUS THAT OF THAT GOES OVER TO PARK CITY'S? WE DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
AND I'M JUST KIND OF GOING DOWN WHERE I STARTED WAS THAT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT VALUE THEY'RE BRINGING TO OUR CITY FOR US TO BE KIND OF SPINNING OUR WHEELS IN, FIGURING OUT WHAT RESOURCES NEED TO BE ALLOCATED.
I WANT YOU ALL TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH ANY VENTURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE UNDER YOUR BELT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THAT NECESSARILY HAVEN'T BEEN PINNED DOWN WHEN IT COMES TO THESE OPERATIONS.
SO I DO LOOK FORWARD TO AN UPDATE TO GET SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT WE'VE HAD HERE TODAY.
AND I WILL PROMISE YOU ALL THAT THIS WON'T BE OUR LAST CONVERSATION ON THIS TOPIC.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THAT'S OUR LAST BRIEFING.
WE DID HAVE THREE BRIEFING MEMO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE UP F AND G TOGETHER.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WE'LL ENTERTAIN THEM NOW MR. RIDLEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ITEM E IS MARTIN PHILLIPE AVAILABLE OR SOMEONE FROM ARTS AND CULTURE.
I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT F, BUT I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
COME ON, COME ON. I'LL HIT YOU.
MARTIN PHILIPPE, DIRECTOR OF OAC.
GOOD MORNING, DIRECTOR PHILIPPE.
WITH REGARD TO THE CULTURAL FACILITIES PROGRAM FUNDING FOR KITCHEN DOG THEATER, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THIS FUNDING, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2018, WASN'T ACCEPTED AT THAT TIME AND IS NOW HIGH.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, GLENN.
AS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE, THERE WERE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WENT IN.
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THE MAIN ONE IS, IS THAT ONCE YOU GO UNDER CONTRACT FOR THIS PARTICULAR KIND OF LOAN EXCHANGE, YOU HAVE ONE YEAR TO COMPLETE YOUR CONSTRUCTION.SO AT THE TIME THEY WERE STILL IN A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU NEEDED PRIVATE FUNDING SOURCES TO ADD TO WHAT WAS COMING THROUGH THE CULTURAL FACILITIES PROGRAM TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT WASN'T AVAILABLE AT THE TIME.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROGRAM IS NOW DEFUNCT.
SO WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM NOW? WAS THAT RESERVED SOMEHOW FOR FIVE YEARS? YEAH. THE MONEY HAS BEEN CARRIED OVER IN A CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION FUND.
IT ORIGINALLY FUNDED THE FIRST ROUND THAT WAS CONDUCTED FOR THIS PROGRAM.
AND THEY ARE IN THAT SAME FUND.
SO IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF ANY NEW ALLOCATIONS IN THE 24 BUDGET? NO, SIR. OKAY.
AND THEN ON ITEM F, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE AMOUNT THAT IS BEING REQUESTED TO ADD TO THE EMERGENCY REIMBURSEMENT IS GOING TO BE COVERED BY INSURANCE.
AND SO THERE'S NO NET OUTLAY FOR THE CITY.
OKAY. WELL I'M STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT ITEM.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING TODAY.
THE TIME IS NOW 1045 AND THE MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
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