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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THE TIME IS 1:07.
[Transportation and Infrastructure on December 5, 2023.]
AND I NOW CALL TO ORDER THE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS DECEMBER 5TH, 2023.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION? HEARING? NO DISCUSSION.
THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
WE HAVE OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM WHICH IS FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE.
PILOT PROJECT WORKS UPDATE ALI HATFIELD, OUR DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, WILL BE GIVING US OUR PRESENTATION TODAY. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE EXCITED.
WE HAD A COUPLE OF MINUTES WE HAD TO FILL IN SOME TIME, SO.
OH WELL. ALI ALI ELLIOTT, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
WE ARE EXCITED TO SHARE FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
PARK FROM UTA ALSO PRESENT HERE IN PERSON.
O'MALLEY WILL BE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY ALSO FROM UTA.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DR.
THANK YOU. ALI CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING PUBLIC WORKS TO PRESENT THE THIS, THIS THESE UPDATED SLIDES ON THE FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE PILOT PROJECT.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE UTA FACULTY, STAFF AND STUDENTS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THIS IN THIS PILOT.
THEY WERE THEY ARE TAKING THE LEAD TO TEST THE FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE.
AND AS WELL AS I WANT TO GIVE A PARTICULAR RECOGNITION, RECOGNITION TO CHRIS LUTZ, WHO IS OUR PROGRAM MANAGER IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WHO OVERSEE OUR STREET MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.
HE WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN COORDINATING THE EFFORTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION, AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS AS WELL AS THE THE MANUFACTURERS.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO OVER BRIEFLY THE BACKGROUND.
THE PILOT LOCATIONS, ESSENTIALLY THE TEST LOCATIONS THAT WE CHOSE, AS WELL AS COMPARISON BETWEEN THE STRENGTH AND THE COST, COMPARISON BETWEEN THE CONVENTIONAL WAY OF OF REINFORCED CONCRETE AS WELL AS FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER CONCLUSIONS IN THE NEXT STEPS.
SO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE CONTRACT WITH UTA.
THIS IS AN ERA THAT WE ENTERED INTO WITH UTA IN NOVEMBER 2021.
ESSENTIALLY, THE GOALS WERE TO DEVELOP A SPECIFICATION FOR REINFORCED CONCRETE, PERFORM SOME TESTING AND DATA COLLECTION ON THE FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE AS WELL AS THE STEEL REINFORCED CONCRETE.
AND THEN WE'RE THEN CONTINUE TO STUDY AND ANALYZE THE REMAINING SERVICE LIFE OF THE REINFORCED FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE, AND COMPARE THAT WITH THE EXISTING PAVEMENT.
SO JUST SOME BRIEF BACKGROUND.
AND THIS THIS ALLOWS THE CONCRETE TO STILL BE REINFORCED BUT IN A DIFFERENT METHOD.
SO FIBERS ARE JUST POLYMER BASED MATERIALS WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY REBAR.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS FIBER.
THIS THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BEING USED IN OTHER SITUATIONS, SUCH AS FOR PIPE.
I THINK UTA HAS DONE SOME SOME SIGNIFICANT STUDIES AND USING FIBERS IN PIPES TO REINFORCE THE PIPES.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO CONCRETE.
SO IT'S BEEN SOME SOME SIGNIFICANT STUDIES OUT THERE.
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NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.SO JUST THIS IS THIS SLIDE HERE IS JUST A HIGH LEVEL OF WHERE WE ARE IN IN OUR STUDY WE COMPLETED THE MIXED DESIGNS OF THE CONCRETE.
WE'VE COMPLETED THE CONSTRUCTION.
ALTHOUGH IT'S DRAFT IT'S NOT QUITE FINAL.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO COLLECT DATA IN THE FIELD AND DO SOME ASSESSMENTS FROM STEEL TO TO FIBER.
TO COMPARE THOSE TWO, WE STILL HAVE TO DETERMINE THE REMAINING SERVICE LIFE, WHICH IS BASICALLY ESTIMATION COMPARISON BETWEEN COMPOSITE PAVEMENT AS WELL AS CONVENTIONAL WAY OF DOING THINGS.
AND THE THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO INCORPORATE THIS THIS THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE INTO A IN OUR TECHNICAL SPECS.
SO AS FAR AS THE PILOT LOCATION WE LIST THEM.
TEST LOCATIONS WHERE WE WERE COMPARING.
WE WERE WE DEMOED AT CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
THEN WE POURED EITHER CONVENTIONAL STEEL REINFORCED CONCRETE OR FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE.
THESE THESE LOCATIONS WERE SELECTED BASED ON EITHER THE TYPE OF PAVEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION OF THE PAVEMENT.
SO WE TRIED TO MIX IT WITH A VARIETY THERE.
WE COMPLETED THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT ON OUR PART.
THESE THESE SITES WERE CONTINGENT ON WEATHER.
SO IT TOOK A LOT OF COORDINATION AMONG STAFF AND TO TO GET THEM COMPLETED.
BUT WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO CONDITION ASSESSMENTS AND WE WILL UPDATE THE COMMITTEE ONCE WE KNOW THE TIME FRAME FOR COMPLETING THOSE ASSESSMENTS.
BUT THE EXPECTATION, THE EXPECTATION THE EXPECTED REPORT IS, IS DUE AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT FOR THIS THIS PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED.
THIS IS A VIDEO OF ONE OF THE TEST SITES.
WE JUST WANTED TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS OF THE FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE.
AND THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE FIRST TEST SITE THAT WE COMPLETED, WHICH IS ROLLING ROCK LANE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THERE.
SO BUT WE DO HAVE SOME PICTURES.
SO THE THIS IS ON THE 8800 BLOCK OF ROLLING ROCK LANE.
YOU CAN SEE THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS HERE AT THE FIRST DAY OF POURING THE FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE.
THEY THIS THIS THIS THIS IS THE IS THE BEGINNING PART OF OF ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET THE CONCRETE DOWN, CONSOLIDATE THE CONCRETE AND ALSO FINISH IT IN THE CONCRETE.
WE WE HAD STUDENTS OUT THERE TO TAKE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF TEST SPECIMENS.
THEY WERE THEY'RE PREPARING THE TEST SPECIMENS AND ACTUALLY TAKING THOSE TO THE LAB.
THEY ACTUALLY CURE IN THE FIELD FOR FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THEY TAKE THEM TO THE LAB IN ORDER TO GET THEM TESTED.
AND THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS THE THE TEST, THE TEST SPECIMEN THERE WHERE IT SHOWS AS IT IN PLACE AT A THREE DAY CURE.
SO THIS THIS IS THE SAME ROADWAY HERE WHERE IT'S ROLLING ROCK LANE.
THE FIRST CORES WERE TAKEN IN SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE SOME MORE CORES TO DO WHICH WE'RE TAKING THOSE CORES IN THE ONE MONTH INTERVAL.
THE PHOTO TO THE RIGHT SHOWS A OBSERVATION BY UTA, BY UTA FACULTY, WHERE THEY WHERE THEY WERE, THEY NOTICED ESSENTIALLY THE CONVENTIONAL PAVEMENT THAT WE USE SHOWS BASICALLY A MICRO OR HAIRLINE CRACK
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THERE AT A CERTAIN AREA VERSUS AT THE ADJACENT FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE.THEY DIDN'T NOTICE ANY CRACKING, SO THEY THEY DIDN'T REALLY NOTICE ANY.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE NEXT TEST SITE WAS SINGLETON BOULEVARD.
AND THIS IS AT THE 47 BLOCK OF SINGLETON.
AND WE HAVE WE SHOW PICTURES THERE ON CERTAIN DAYS OF CURE OF THOSE OF THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
THE LAST TEST SITE THAT WE THAT WE COMPLETED WAS INGERSOLL.
INGERSOLL STREET, AND THIS IS A LOCAL STREET AT 3400 BLOCK.
SO THE COMPARISON BETWEEN BOTH TECHNOLOGIES THAT IS CURRENTLY OUT THERE.
WE WE NOTICED THAT ON AVERAGE THE THE FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE HAD A HIGHER STRENGTH, COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH AT AN EARLIER AGE COMPARED TO THE STRENGTH OF A STEEL REINFORCED CONCRETE.
ALTHOUGH THE THE THE STRENGTH IS ABOUT THE SAME.
BUT FIBER REALLY SHOWED A SIGNIFICANT PROGRESSION OF STRENGTH AT THE BEGINNING.
THIS IS JUST A COST COMPARISON BETWEEN THOSE TWO TEXTS.
WE ESSENTIALLY SAW A COST SAVINGS FOR FIBER COMPARED TO STEEL.
NOT AS SIGNIFICANT BUT WITH THE PRICES OF CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW I WOULDN'T REALLY ANTICIPATE A LARGER SIGNIFICANCE.
BUT THIS IS A COMPARISON WITH MATERIALS.
THIS IS BASED ON MATERIALS THAT WE THAT WE CHOSE FOR THE CONCRETE MIX DESIGN EQUIPMENT AND LABOR WAS PART OF THAT ASSESSMENT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY AT AT 28 DAYS, STEEL REINFORCED CONCRETE FOR SURE TYPICALLY REACHES ITS COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH AT THAT TIME, BUT IT DID REACH IT AT 4500 PSI LIKE WE EXPECTED.
BUT HOWEVER, FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE AT THE SAME TIME REACH US REACH ABOUT 33% MORE AT 60,000 PSI. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO IN CONCLUSION THESE ARE THE CONCLUSIONS THAT WE WE BASICALLY NOTICED.
WE NOTICED THAT WITH FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE WE WERE ABLE TO SEE GOOD AMOUNT OF RESULTS ON AVERAGE THREE DAYS OR LESS COMPARED TO CONVENTIONAL WAY. WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN USE THIS AS A WAY OF OPENING TRAFFIC EARLY.
ALSO, WE NOTICED MINIMUM CRACKING IN THIS TYPE OF IN THIS TYPE OF PAVEMENT AND IT WAS MORE DURABLE.
WE SAW THE DURABILITY WAS INCREASED AND THE REDUCTION OF THE LIFE CYCLE COST SEEMS TO BE THERE.
IS POTENTIALLY REBAR WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY, REBAR CAN BE REPLACED, WE THINK IN, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF STEEL, YOU KNOW, IS BEING AN ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, WE WON'T WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS THERE AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THE TIME IT TAKES TO TO LAY REBAR, WE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ELIMINATED.
WE NOTICED AN AVERAGE REDUCTION OF LABOR BY 22% AND TRAFFIC CONTROL COSTS BY 12%.
SO THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS TO CONTINUE TO TEST AND EVALUATE THE LIFE AND PERFORMANCE OF THE FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE PAVEMENT, FINALIZE OUR SPECIFICATIONS, AND START THE PROCESS OF INTEGRATING THIS PARTICULAR PAVEMENT TYPE INTO OUR NEW STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS.
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SO THANK YOU, COMMITTEE, FOR LENDING AN EAR TO OUR PRESENTATION.THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
AND. I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS FIRST.
COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY I LOVE THIS PROJECT.
AND I LOVE THE INNOVATION AND THE APPROACH YOU ALL ARE TAKING TO FIND ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THAT MIGHT HELP OUR CITY HAVE MORE LASTING STREET REPAIR.
SO I'M WONDERING, I JUST HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
WHAT IS TYPICALLY THE TIME FRAME THAT'S USED TO MEASURE THE PERFORMANCE AND WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? THE TYPICAL TIME FRAME TO MEASURE PERFORMANCE IS REALLY BASED ON OUR TESTING STANDARDS.
WE WE HAVE TO ALLOW THE CONCRETE TO CURE A CERTAIN TIME FOR US TO TEST IT, EITHER IN THE LAB, TAKE FIELD FIELD ASSESSMENTS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOME WE DIDN'T SHARE THIS IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE DOING CONCRETE COMPRESSIVE STRESSES I MEAN TESTS USUALLY WE HAVE TO ALLOW THE TESTS.
WE HAVE TO TEST THE CONCRETE AT A STANDARD TIME FRAME, LIKE IT'S SEVEN DAYS OR 14 DAYS OR 28 DAYS.
AND BECAUSE THE SCHEDULE FOR THESE SITES WERE STAGGERED, WE'RE STILL DOING DATA COLLECTION.
COUNCIL MEMBER IS THAT THE THE OVERALL THE DELIVERY OF THIS STUDY IS FOR THE UTA TEAM TO PROVIDE US THE SPECIFICATION OF THE CONCRETE AND ALSO TO ANALYZE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE CONCRETE, TO SAY HOW WE'RE GOING TO PERFORM OVER THE YEAR.
THAT'S WHY THEY ARE TAKING TIME TO TAKE THEIR COURSE AND ALL THESE THINGS DURING THE COUPLE OF YEARS OR THREE YEARS, TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS ACTUALLY ACCURATE STATEMENT.
AND SO THIS PERFORMANCE EVALUATION IS BEING DONE BY THE COLLEGE.
AND THEN ARE YOU EXPECTING AFTER THAT THEY WILL ISSUE SOME SORT OF REPORT NEXT DECEMBER.
RIGHT. ONCE WE RECEIVE THE FINAL REPORT FROM UT TEAM AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD AS FAR AS THE TECHNICAL GOES, AND THEN THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY ADOPT THIS PRODUCT FOR THE FUTURE PROJECTS RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, BASICALLY, AND EVEN FOR REPAIR OR PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, REPLACING ONE PANEL, ALSO YOU CAN USE THE SAME CONCRETE BASICALLY THERE'S NO LIMITATION TO THAT.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A WHOLE PROCESS FOR US.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT.
SURE. THAT'S A VERY GREAT QUESTION, ACTUALLY.
THE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE DON'T USE STEEL, IT MAY HAVE A LOWER FOOTPRINT IN THE OVERALL PRODUCT, BUT WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT WE'RE NOT THERE YET TO MAKE A STATEMENT AT THIS POINT.
THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILMEMBER STEWART'S NEXT.
SO ROLLING ROCK IS WE GOT A LONG LINE.
ROLLING ROCK IS IN DISTRICT TEN.
I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT STREET, AND IT GETS A FAIR AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THE ROYAL LANE OR WALNUT HILL ARE WE? DO WE HAVE THIS TESTED IN A IN A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA? YES, ACTUALLY WE DID.
SINGLETON 7000 BLOCK OF SINGLETON HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
SO YES IT IS AND IT'S AN ARTERIAL AS WELL.
OKAY. AND ARE OTHER CITIES USING THIS PRODUCT? NO. WE'RE THE FIRST CITY THAT ACTUALLY STARTED USING THIS PRODUCT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS CAPACITY.
OKAY. AND JUST SOMETHING TO ADD TO IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE, SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THEY'RE USING IT SOME OTHER.
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SO IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SUBSTANCE WHERE THERE IS SOME TYPE OF RUNOFF OR LEACHING, OR SOMETHING THAT IS SOMEHOW ADVERSELY IMPACTING THE SOIL UNDERNEATH? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PARTICULARLY HER QUESTION, BUT ANYWAY, WE KNOW THE BYPRODUCT OF STEEL AND REBAR, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BYPRODUCT COULD BE LONG TERM OF THIS PRODUCT.SO I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF I JUST DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO BE, YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH IT, TO BE DECOMPOSING IN SOME WAY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO THE SOIL IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE'VE CREATED A HUGE ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGE.
WE DID HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH UTA ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE PRODUCT.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S THAT WE CAN FORMALLY SHARE.
BRANDON AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK THIS KIND OF PROGRAM, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, IS EXACTLY THE WAY WE SHOULD BE GOING AS A CITY.
I THINK IF EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEING DONE, AND THAT'S HOW WE BUILD UP OUR UNIVERSITY SYSTEM, THAT'S HOW WE BEGIN TO TRULY CHANGE THE CULTURE IN THIS CITY AND ATTRACT EVEN MORE COMPANIES AND BUSINESSES.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I HOPE THIS WILL GET PRESS.
THANK YOU. THANK THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR GRACEY.
THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION. HAS THIS BEEN TESTED OR LONG TERM? IS IT IS IT BEING UTILIZED IN OTHER OTHER MARKETS? WELL, AGAIN, THIS PRODUCT HAS BEEN OUT THERE.
AS I MENTIONED, IT HAS BEEN TESTED BY OTHER INDUSTRIES FOR OTHER USE CASES, EVEN FOR PAVEMENT.
BUT FOR THE PUBLIC PROJECTS, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE USED IT FOR THEIR ROADWAYS OR STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IT HAS BEEN USED FOR ROADWAY PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE.
SIMILAR TO FIBER, NOT EXACTLY THE SAME.
MAYBE A SPECIFICATION, BUT SIMILAR TO THIS ONE FOR OTHER PROJECTS AS FAR AS I'M AWARE OF IT.
CAN I FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE? OH YEAH. I MEAN, AFTER TALKING TO UTA FACULTY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CITY OF DALLAS WOULD BE THE FIRST CITY TO USE THIS TECHNOLOGY. THEY THEY HAVE HAD INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH TEXDOT ABOUT USING IT, AND TEXDOT IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF USING FIBER REINFORCED CONCRETE.
OKAY. THOSE ARE THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH UTA FACULTY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WAS AND REALLY I'M EXCITED ABOUT ITS POTENTIAL.
I GUESS I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE, DO WE HAVE A PLACE WHERE IT HAS BEEN TESTED A LITTLE BIT LONGER SO WE CAN SEE SOME OF THE MORE LONGER TERM EFFECTS? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.
WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU, SIR.
WE WILL SEND A MEMO OR SOMETHING THAT ADDRESS THIS QUESTION FOR SURE.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ATKINS.
THANK YOU. I'M TRYING TO GO BACK WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT.
THIS FIBER IS THAT IS REALLY FIBERGLASS.
RIGHT. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN USING THIS BEFORE, PROBABLY ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.
SO ISN'T THAT ISN'T THAT NEW? NO, IT'S NOT NEW. 20 YEARS AGO, BECAUSE I USED WHEN I WAS IN CONSTRUCTION, I PULLED A WHOLE LOT OF CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COLD, COLD AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SPEED IT UP, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO, TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN PULL THE CONCRETE AND GET SOME, GET SOME TRAFFIC ON RIGHT AWAY.
AMAZING. IS THAT NEW? I MEAN, IT'S NOT NEW.
ONLY THING WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO TEST IT.
IT'S A FACT, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE APPLICATIONS THAT WILL BE USEFUL FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, YOU KNOW, IN CONSTRUCTION OF ROADWAYS, CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS, ANYTHING THAT WE USE IN CONCRETE IS IS ESSENTIALLY A GOOD PRODUCT, ESPECIALLY WHAT WE SEE IN THE CURING PROCESS.
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DALLAS, BASED ON THE SOIL TYPE THAT WE HAVE BASED ON THE ENVIRONMENT BASED ON THE APPLICATION.SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, THIS THIS STUDY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND IT.
WE PUT STEEL ON THE ROAD ON HEAVY TRAFFIC ROAD.
SO THEREFORE STEEL IS A PROVEN STRENGTH THAT FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC THAT YOU GOT TO PUT STEEL THERE.
LET ME FINISH MY SENTENCE FIRST.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT COST.
SO TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE IN COST BETWEEN STEEL AND THIS PRODUCT.
THE LABORERS, THE ALL THESE THINGS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY PROJECT THAT TO A BIGGER SCALE OF PROJECT, ANALYZE OF THE COST ESTIMATE WILL BE PROBABLY PREMATURE, BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING ONE LANE AND THREE DIFFERENT LANES AND THREE DIFFERENT STREETS.
AND JUST CONSIDERING THAT AS A COST ESTIMATE, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE VERY ACCURATE STATEMENT.
BUT HOWEVER, WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING OVER THE TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO SAVE, SUCH AS STEEL, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE CONCRETE IS JUST A CONCRETE, RIGHT. BUT ALSO WE'RE ADDING FIBER, WHICH IS THE NEW PRODUCTS THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT BEFORE.
SO AGAIN, MAYBE THE COST ESTIMATE AT THE END OF THE DAY IS THE SAME, OR MAYBE IT'S SLIGHTLY CHEAPER.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE CASE, BUT THE TIME THAT WE'RE SAVING IN THE CONSTRUCTION IS THE SOFT COST.
I THINK THE ONLY TAKE AWAY THAT WE SHOULD TAKE FROM THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT THE TIME OF THE CONSTRUCTION, IF IN DOWNTOWN, WE CAN OPEN A PROJECT IN TWO DAYS RATHER THAN SEVEN OR 14 OR 28 DAYS TO GET TO THE BREAK.
THIS IS A VERY WIN WIN SITUATION FOR THE CITY, I BELIEVE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE TIME.
WHAT ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF THE PROJECT? THE TIME, THE TIME OF THE PROJECT? IT STILL HASN'T BEEN PROVEN, YOU KNOW.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE STUDY, YOU KNOW, ON PUTTING STEEL DOWN.
IT'S BEEN PROVEN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY OVER THERE.
SO IS THE STUDY GOING TO MEASURE THAT? HOW DO THEY MEASURE THAT OUT? BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE TESTED SOMEWHERE FOR OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
THE TRADITIONAL PAVEMENT CONCRETE IS 30 YEARS.
SOME STUDIES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
DR. PARKIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
THEY SAY THIS PRODUCT, THEY MAY ACTUALLY GO TO 60, 70, 80, EVEN 100 YEARS OF LIFE EXPECTANCY.
BUT REGARDLESS, THIS PRODUCT HAS BEEN USED, HAS BEEN USED FOR EVEN BRIDGES, HAS BEEN USED FOR THE DECK OF THE BRIDGES THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LOAD AND ALSO TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ON IT.
SO THIS IS NOT AN UT HAS A VERY EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PRODUCT.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS IS THE MAIN RESULTS OF THIS STUDY BASICALLY.
OKAY. SO HOW LONG HOW LONG THE STUDY WOULD TAKE AS IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, PROBABLY BY THE END OF 2024, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT THE STUDY TO BE COMPLETED.
OKAY. WILL THERE BE CERTAIN HOW YOU POINT OUT CERTAIN LOCATIONS WHERE YOU CAN DO THE STUDY OF THAT? I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE TESTED ON, ON IN SOMEWHERE IN DALLAS, A TEST SITE WHERE YOU WILL TEST THIS PRODUCT.
WELL, YEAH. ALL THESE ON THE SLIDE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THIS NUMBER.
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OKAY ON SLIDE SIX.SO I'M LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW, ON LOOKING AT YOU KNOW, 4700 BLOCK OF SINGLETON.
IS THAT IS THAT THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
RIGHT. AND 3400 BLOCK DISTRICT SIX.
THAT'S PASSED IN MANNOSE FIVE SEVEN.
RIGHT. THAT'S SEVEN. NEXT SLIDE.
AND THOSE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
SO TO ME WHY THAT WE USE SO LOW.
WE WENT A HIGH NUMBER, BUT WE WENT WITH TOO LOW NUMBERS ON TRAFFICKING.
WE WANTED TO TEST IT ON THE LOCAL STREET, ARTERIAL AND ALSO COLLECTOR.
THAT'S WHY THAT WAS THE METHODOLOGY I SELECTED IN MY DEAL.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD PREFER THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A STREET, WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC IS GOING DOWN ON THAT STREET? IS THERE TRUCKS, BUSSES OR CAR TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD REALLY LOOK AT IT SO I CAN LOOK AT, HEY, I'M COMPARING THIS STREET WITH TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITH CARS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AND HERE, I DON'T KNOW, I GOT 14,000 TRAFFIC COUNT, BUT WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC? YOU WANT TO TAKE ME? YEAH.
THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC WE DON'T HAVE AT THIS POINT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION.
WHAT WE DO HAVE IS THE AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC.
RIGHT? IF I COULD, IF I COULD.
ROBERT PATTERSON, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
I'M LOOKING AT THE 4700 BLOCK OF SINGLETON, SIR.
THERE'S THERE'S A REBAR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
THERE'S A THERE'S IT'S COMMERCIAL ON THE SINGLETON.
IT HAS A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESSES ON IT.
THERE'S A FREIGHT THERE'S A FREIGHT LINER BUSINESS THERE.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD MIX FOR SINGLETON, SIR.
IT DON'T SHOW IT IN IN THE PRESENTATION.
I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT SAYS I WANT TO SEE IN THE PRESENTATION WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'M PUTTING MY CONSTRUCTION HAT ON.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME I GOT 15,000 TRAFFIC ON, I WANT TO KNOW, IS IT TRUCKS COMING DOWN OR THE BUSSES TURNING DOWN THE STREET OR WHATEVER? I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO AND CHECK IT OUT.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING DOWN THE STREET, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT CHARTER STREET DOES RIGHT NOW.
WE GOT DART BUSSES TURNING OUT STREET UP RIGHT NOW IN NOT IN THE PRESENTATION.
HAVING THE BUSSES GO THERE AND HAVING THE LEFT TURN OR RIGHT TURN.
AND WHEN YOU TURN ON CONCRETE, YOU KNOW IT DO MOVE THE CONCRETE.
THEY DON'T SAY WHAT KIND OF BASE OF CONCRETE.
THEY DON'T SAY IT'S ON A CHALK LINE, IT'S ON A SOFT GROUND.
RIGHT. I BELIEVE SINGLETON IS ACTUALLY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED.
RIGHT. AND LAST QUESTION NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU TESTED, DO WE ALSO TEST WHAT TYPE OF BASE ARE WE USING THIS CONCRETE ON WHAT BASE ARE WE USING IT ON.
JUST REGULAR YOU KNOW, GRAVEL OR SAND.
ARE WE USING IT ON A ASPHALT BASE BEFORE WE PUT THIS ON THERE I WANT TO KNOW THAT WHAT TYPE OF BASE ARE WE LAYING THE CONCRETE ON? BECAUSE THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
IF THE SOIL HAS ROCK OR IF IT'S ROCK, IT'S EVEN BETTER.
THERE'S LESS STABILIZATION IS NEEDED.
THAT'S THE SAME METHODOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING FOR CONVENTIONAL.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE STEEL.
INSTEAD OF STEEL THEY'RE USING THE FIBER.
VERY GOOD, MR. RESENDEZ. AND THEN, MR. RIDLEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I JUST REALLY QUICKLY WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT SOUNDS TO ME AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS, THAT WE MAY HAVE A SUPERIOR PRODUCT AT SAVINGS FOR THE TAXPAYERS.
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I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THE COST SAVINGS ANALYSIS HAS BEEN COMPLETE.AND IF NOT, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE THAT? YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE CORRECT.
WE DO HAVE A SUPERIOR PRODUCT HERE.
I THINK THIS TECHNOLOGY IS SUPERIOR TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING CONVENTIONALLY.
AND I THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.
THE COST ANALYSIS IS NOT COMPLETE, BUT WE DO EXPECT THAT TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR.
THAT'S ALL MR. RIDLEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU FIRST CAME TO THE FULL COUNCIL TO SEEK AUTHORIZATION FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SPEND ON THIS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, I VOTED AGAINST IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE FUNCTION OF CITY GOVERNMENT TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TAXPAYER FUNDS ON A RESEARCH PROJECT, WHICH IS TRADITIONALLY THE PROVINCE OF PRIVATE INDUSTRY, TRADE ASSOCIATIONS AND UNIVERSITIES.
AND SO I HAVE TO ASK NOW, TWO YEARS LATER, WHAT NEW KNOWLEDGE HAVE YOU GENERATED WITH THOSE MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT DID NOT EXIST BEFORE YOU UNDERTOOK THIS PROJECT? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER.
I BELIEVE WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SO FAR AFTER TWO YEARS OR THE TIME OF THIS STUDY, WAS THAT FIRST WE MANAGED TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THESE TYPE OF PRODUCTS IN THE CITY STREETS TO MONITOR THE PERFORMANCE RIGHT AND TO WITH THE UTA TEAM, ALONG WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY STAFF, WE CREATED THE SPECIFICATION FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THIS TYPE OF CONCRETE.
SO BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T EXIST FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, MAYBE THAT EXISTED FOR SOME OTHER INDUSTRIES, MAYBE FOR BUILDINGS, MAYBE FOR ROOFS OR STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT NOT FOR THE BUILDING ROADS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT WE HAD.
AND THE THIRD ONE WILL BE THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS PAVEMENT.
OVER THE TIME THAT WE'RE MONITORING SO FAR, THE TEST RESULTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN ARE VERY PROMISING BECAUSE AGAIN, IN ONE OF THE SLIDE, ACTUALLY, WE COMPARE THE TEST STRENGTH THAT THIS TYPE OF PAVEMENT, IT GETS TO THE STRENGTH THAT CONVENTIONAL IT GETS TO IN 14 DAYS.
RIGHT. THREE DAYS VERSUS 14 DAYS OF THE TIME THAT WE GET TO THE STRENGTH AND ALSO IT EXCEEDS THE SPECIFICATION OR ALL THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CONCRETE COMPRESSIVE STRENGTH TEST.
SO I THINK THESE ARE ALL ACHIEVEMENTS THAT WE HAD AS A PART OF THIS STUDY.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TODAY, BUT YOU'VE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED, AS THE MAYOR PRO TEM HAS INDICATED THAT THIS PRODUCT IS NOT NEW. IT'S BEEN USED FOR YEARS.
YOU HAVE, IN FACT, CITED THAT IT HAS BEEN USED FOR BRIDGE DECKS.
AND SO I'M STILL LEFT WITH THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS, WHY ARE WE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY TO REINVENT INFORMATION? THAT WAS PROBABLY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN BEFORE WE EVER STARTED THIS PROJECT AGAIN.
IN ORDER TO ADOPT SOMETHING FOR THE NEW PROJECTS, WE NEED TO HAVE A DATA TO BACK IT UP TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS BASED ON THIS ANALOGY OR THIS ANALYSIS OR THIS TEST OR THIS SPECIFICATION.
SO I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE ACHIEVED WITH THIS STUDY, TO HAVE SOMETHING CURED FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, NOT JUST ANOTHER INDUSTRY USING ANOTHER THING. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT FROM THE INDUSTRY AND APPLY IT TO THE CITY ROADS THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT IF THAT LASTS OR NOT.
I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
WELL, DID YOU EVER CONTACT ASI TO ASK THEM FOR THEIR SPECIFICATIONS FOR THIS PRODUCT? DID THEY HAVE ROADWAY SPECIFICATIONS? ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS COMING FROM ASI, ASTM AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY IS ARE CONSIDERING IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY ESTABLISH THE MIX FOR US.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS BASED ON THE STANDARDS OUT THERE.
WE'RE NOT CREATING A NEW STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY.
AND HOW MUCH HAVE YOU SPENT ON THIS PROJECT? THE CONTRACT WAS $1.45 MILLION.
YES, CLOSE TO 1.5 AFTER SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENTS.
AND AS ALL OF THAT FUNDING EXPENDED NOW, OR WILL YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE FUNDING TO DO THE LONG RANGE TESTING AND COST ANALYSIS? THE 1.5 WAS FOR EVERYTHING FOR THE ENTIRE STUDY TO BE COMPLETED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ELSE? I JUST I JUST HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP.
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COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS WAS ASKING ABOUT THE LEVEL OF VEHICLE TRAVEL ON CERTAIN STREETS.AND WHILE SINGLETON IS CERTAINLY WELL KNOWN, STREET AND 15,000 IS CERTAINLY A RESPECTABLE NUMBER OF VEHICLES PER DAY, I KNOW IN MY DISTRICT I HAVE MULTIPLE STREETS THAT ARE IN THE 50 TO 55,000 CARS PER DAY, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION OF DOING EVEN A SMALL SECTION IN A HIGHER TRAFFIC AREA LIKE MIDWAY HILLCREST QUOIT THAT JUST RECEIVED VERY FRANKFURT.
55,000 CARS PER DAY THAT RECEIVE A MUCH HIGHER UTILIZATION.
AGAIN THIS PRODUCT THE STRENGTH OF THE CONCRETE EXCEEDS THE CONVENTIONAL RIGHT.
ONCE THE STRENGTH IS THERE, WHETHER IT'S 18,000 VEHICLES OR 20,000 VEHICLES, IF THE NORMAL CONCRETE CAN ACTUALLY CARRY THAT 50,000 50,000 VEHICLES LOAD, THEN THIS CONCRETE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM BECAUSE AGAIN, THE STRENGTH OF IT EXCEEDS THAT PERFORMANCE.
RIGHT? I GUESS ONE THING WHICH IS WHICH WE WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PRODUCT, IS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET OUT OF THE CONSTRUCTION SITE QUICKER, RIGHT.
THIS IS THE COMPLAINT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM MANY RESIDENTS THAT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION, TAKING TIME AND ALL THESE THINGS OR IT TAKES TIME TO OPEN TO THE TRAFFIC. SO IF WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT THAT LONG TO ACTUALLY OPEN TO THE TRAFFIC, THIS IS A VERY, I GUESS, SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT FOR THE CITY'S PROJECT FOR PUBLIC PROJECT. RIGHT. AND ALSO THE LONGEVITY OF THIS PRODUCT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
BASED ON THE RECENT DATA THAT I'VE SEEN, AT LEAST ALL THE TEST RESULTS WERE PRETTY HIGH.
IT WAS A LOT HIGHER THAN EXPECTATION THAT WE HAD.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE, YOU KNOW, HIGHER VOLUME OF THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE CONVENTIONAL ROADS ARE TAKING THAT LOAD LOAD ANYWAYS. BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY CONSULT WITH THE RTA TO SEE IF THERE IS A NEED FOR ANY OTHER SECTION TO BE TESTED OR CONSTRUCTED TO MONITOR IT.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE STRENGTH, AND I THINK I'VE MULTIPLE TIMES, BOTH WHEN WE WERE APPROVING THIS PROJECT AND EVEN TODAY SAY I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF LOOKING AT INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES AND ALTERNATIVES, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS AND PAVEMENT.
LIKE MAYBE THE LONGEST WOULD BE AT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU, LIKE JUST DRIVING IN TODAY ON HILLCREST, OF WHICH I DID CALL THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO COMPLAIN ABOUT HER POTHOLES, HOPING THAT IT WAS ON THE BOND.
AND SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO STREETS WITH UNDER, I THINK THE HIGHEST WAS 2200 FOR THE FOR THE LOW VEHICLE COUNT STREET, AND THE HIGHEST ONE IS 15,000.
I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE THAT WAS IN THE MORE 40,000 RANGE, EVEN IF YOU JUST DID LIKE ONE PANEL, SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND THAT PERFORMANCE BEFORE WE MAKE A BIG INVESTMENT AND SOME SORT OF POLICY SWITCH, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS IF THIS ALL IF THE PERFORMANCE METRICS BEAR, YOU KNOW, WARRANT US CHANGING THAT.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT IF YOU COME BACK A YEAR FROM NOW WITH THIS REPORT FROM UTA AND THE ONLY THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRAFFIC THEY'VE CONSIDERED IS 15,000, YOU'RE OPEN TO A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR ROADS THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER CAPACITY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE COG IS THAT REALLY THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC STREETS, OF WHICH CODE IS ONE OF THEM, WITH 55,000IN FRANKFURT, THAT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST, THE HIGHEST CAPACITY STREETS IN OUR AREA.
THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHERS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK AND SEE IF YOU COULDN'T FIND A HIGH CAPACITY STREET SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY TO DO ANOTHER TEST.
AND SO I'LL JUST ADD IN TO THAT IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S NOT IT WASN'T ABOUT THE CAPACITY.
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IT WAS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES OF VEHICLES.AND ALTHOUGH YES, KUWAIT IS A SUPER, SUPER BUSY STREET, IT'S MAINLY CARS VERSUS SINGLETON WHICH DOES HAVE A LOT OF IDLING, LOTS OF 18 WHEELERS THAT SIT THERE FOR MILES, THAT PRODUCE A LOT OF HEAT, A LOT OF POLLUTION, AND THEY DON'T MOVE.
SO THAT WAS THAT WAS JUST THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT TONS OF 18 WHEELERS, CARS, BUSSES, EVERY SINGLE TYPE OF VEHICLE, IT WASN'T A CAPACITY THING, ONLY IT'S MORE ABOUT CAN THIS DEAL WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WEIGHTS.
NOW WE KNOW THAT IT CAN AND NOW WE CAN.
SO THAT'S ALL IT WAS. IT WASN'T ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S NOT TO SAY WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING UP NORTH.
WE DO. WE'VE GOT TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE.
IF I CAN CLARIFY, I'M NOT INTERESTED ACTUALLY IN HAVING ONE UP NORTH.
I'M INTERESTED IN HAVING ONE WITH A MUCH HIGHER VEHICLE COUNT.
AND QUIET ROAD IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A HIGHWAY AND DOES HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT TRUCK TRAFFIC.
VERY GOOD. AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'LL LEAVE YOU. THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY EXCITING.
I'M SORRY THAT THE COMMITTEE DIDN'T GO THAT THAT ROUTE IN GENERAL.
SO NEXT IS ITEM C WHICH IS ON STREET PARKING AND CURB LANE MANAGEMENT POLICY UPDATE.
CARLY, THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, CATHERINE RUSH, OUR CHIEF PLANNER AND DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WILL BE GOING OVER OUR BRIEFING FOR THE ON STREET PARKING AND CURB LANE MANAGEMENT POLICY UPDATE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO THIS AFTERNOON WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT RESULTS FROM THE FROM THE FROM THE FOR THE ON STREET PARKING AND CURB MANAGEMENT POLICY THAT WE HAD IN THE SUMMER, AND THE FOLLOW UP ON THE INPUT THAT WE HAD FROM THE FROM THE INITIAL BRIEFING THAT WAS THAT TOOK PLACE IN JANUARY OF 2023.
SO WITH THAT, AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, WE WILL BE PROVIDING THE THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED SINCE THEN AND, AND AND GO OVER THOSE RESULTS.
SO AS A BRIEF BACKGROUND IN THE ON THE CURB LANE MANAGEMENT POLICY, WE HAD IN THE CONNECT DALLAS STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, THE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION FOR A POLICY TO BE DEVELOPED AND ADOPTED FOR THE CITY'S CURBSIDE MOBILITY ASSETS. AND THE SPECIFIC ACTIONS WERE TO CONDUCT A CITYWIDE CURB MANAGEMENT PLAN AND UPDATE THE PARKING METER RATES.
NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
AS WE HAVE SEEN, THESE CHALLENGES, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AND UPTOWN AREAS, DISCOURAGE THE SPILLOVER INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH BASICALLY WE'VE SEEN SOME CHALLENGES IN THOSE AREAS AS WELL AND PROVIDE SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR LOADING ACTIVITIES AND BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE ALL ROADWAY USERS, ESPECIALLY LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHEN DURING THE PEAK HOURS, PROMOTE THE ACCESSIBILITY AND EQUITABLE OUTCOME AND PROVIDE A PREDICTABLE AND EASY TO USE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
SO THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE'VE HAD A MILESTONES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
AND I WILL TURN OVER TO CATHERINE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE HAD SINCE WE STARTED THIS PROCESS AND GO THROUGH THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED. HI EVERYBODY.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS BRIEFINGS TO COUNCIL.
WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE OVER THE YEARS, AND WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE ON THE HOME STRETCH AND REALLY EXCITED TO GET TO THE HOME STRETCH SO THAT WE CAN GET TO IMPLEMENTING THIS PROCESS.
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DOCUMENT BACK TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS FOR REVIEW.WE INCORPORATED THEIR COMMENTS.
WE THEN RELEASED THAT DRAFT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OVER THE SUMMER.
THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS BRIEFING IS TO COVER.
SO AS PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WE HAD TWO VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETINGS.
AND THEN WE ALSO MET WITH SEVERAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS AND JUST DISTRICTS OF THE CITY UPON REQUEST.
THE INTENT WAS TO GET GENERAL FEEDBACK ON THE POLICY DOCUMENT.
THIS SLIDE JUST SHOWS THE THEMES THAT HAD FIVE OR MORE COMMENTS RELATED TO THEM.
SO THE FIRST ONE WAS JUST PEOPLE EXPRESSING GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THE POLICY.
THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK, ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THOSE GREAT THINGS THAT ARE SO FUN TO HEAR.
WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT RIDESHARE AND LOADING AND SIGNS AND MARKINGS, RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS.
A LOT OF THE THINGS WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, BUT WERE SORT OF REINFORCED THAT THEY ARE IMPORTANT AND ARE HELPING US FINE TUNE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE POLICY DOCUMENT. NEXT SLIDE.
SO ALL COMMENTS WILL BE INCORPORATED OR RESPONDED TO IN A IN A COMMENT RESPONSE MATRIX THAT WILL BE POSTED ONLINE, HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL BRIEFING.
AND THAT'S WHAT TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS ABOUT.
SO MANAGE PARKING AREAS AND THEN RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT PROGRAMS. SO FIRST THE MANAGED PARKING AREA.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE POLICY.
AND THEN THE WHAT WE HEARD AND THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING AS IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE HEARD.
SO THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO TAKE OUR METERED PARKING AREAS BOUNDARIES OUT OF THE CODE, JUST TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR US TO RESPOND TO PARKING CHALLENGES AS THEY OCCUR, TO DEFINE A PROCESS FOR DEVELOPING PARKING PLANS FOR AREAS WITH ON STREET PARKING ISSUES, RATHER THAN JUST ADDRESSING ISSUES ONE AT A TIME AS SERVICE REQUESTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT ARE RECEIVED, ALLOWING US KIND OF A PATHWAY AND A FRAMEWORK TO A MORE HOLISTIC, COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT AN AREA, AND THEN ALSO TO HAVE DEFINED AREAS IN WHICH TO FOCUS OUR LIMITED RESOURCES FOR PARKING ENFORCEMENT, CURB MARKINGS AND CURB MANAGEMENT.
WE HEARD IT. SO WE HEARD SOME WHAT WE'RE CALLING MISPERCEPTIONS THAT DEFINING AN AREA AS AN MPA WOULD AUTOMATICALLY PRECIPITATE INSTALLATION OF PARKING METERS. THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT.
WE ALSO DID HEAR, THOUGH, SUPPORT FOR THE MPA FRAMEWORK.
WE HEARD A DESIRE FOR GREATER OVERSIGHT.
SO I THINK, AGAIN, BEING AFRAID THAT PARKING METERS WOULD BE JUST INSTALLED WHEREVER AND WANTING THAT TO BE IN THE CODE RATHER THAN ADMINISTRATIVELY DEFINED.
AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF DISAGREEMENT ABOUT INITIATING THE MPA PROCESS.
SOME SAID IT SHOULD BE BUSINESSES, SOME SAID IT SHOULD BE RESIDENTS.
SO WE KIND OF HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING WHERE THAT'S CONCERNED.
NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR PROPOSED CHANGES BASED ON THE POLICY, THE EXISTING METERED PARKING AREAS, THE BOUNDARIES OF THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEFINED IN THE CODE WOULD STAY IN THE CODE.
WE WOULD BE RENAMING THESE AREAS PAID PARKING AREAS, JUST TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEW TERMINOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING, BECAUSE THERE THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO PAY FOR PARKING NOW, NOT JUST METERS.
SO JUST FOR REFERENCE, WHEN THAT COMES TO YOU AGAIN, BEING LOCATED IN IN AN MPA WOULD NO LONGER BE A REQUIREMENT TO CREATE NEW RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT ZONES. LOADING ZONES, 2 TO 4 HOUR TIME LIMITS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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BUT BASED ON INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS, I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR FLEXIBILITY, AS OTHER ISSUES IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY MIGHT ARISE.WE GET APPROACHED, THE DEPARTMENT GETS APPROACHED ABOUT THIS FROM TIME TO TIME, AND THERE'S CURRENTLY JUST SORT OF NO KIND OF GUIDEBOOK OR FRAMEWORK ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT BE ACCOMPLISHED. SO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT IN THE POLICY AS A BASICALLY WAY TO NOT MAKE APPROACHES TO US FOR REQUESTS LIKE THAT SO DAUNTING AND SORT OF HAVE A GAME PLAN A LITTLE BIT IDENTIFIED FOR WHEN THOSE REQUESTS GET TO US.
WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL PARKING.
OUR INTENT IN THE POLICY WAS JUST TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT PROGRAMS, TO RECOMMEND A FUTURE REVIEW OF THE PROGRAMS AND IDENTIFY THINGS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT AS PART OF THIS POLICY EFFORT.
BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN.
WE HEARD THAT THE COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED WERE THAT, YOU KNOW, FEARS THAT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL ZONES THAT DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE WOULD BE REMOVED, AND JUST ABOUT SOME OF THE PROPOSED CONSIDERATIONS IN GENERAL.
AND SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO REVISE THE POLICY, BASICALLY JUST TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE SHOULD BE AND WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT AS PART OF A FUTURE REVIEW.
AND JUST IN OUR COMMENT RESPONSE MATRIX, EMPHASIZING THAT THIS POLICY DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING, IT'S JUST RECOMMENDING A FUTURE REVIEW BASED OFF OF FACTORS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND THAT WE HEARD ABOUT THROUGH THIS POLICY PROCESS AND HANDING IT BACK OVER.
OH, DO YOU WANT ME TO FINISH? I CAN CLOSE OUT. GO AHEAD.
OKAY. SO AGAIN, POSTING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SUMMARY IN THE COMMENT RESPONSE MATRIX, FINALIZING THE DOCUMENT AND POSTING SORT OF A RED LINE VERSION OF THAT AS WELL. PRESENTING TO COUNCIL NEXT MONTH AND THEN HOPEFULLY GOING FOR ADOPTION THIS SPRING.
SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
THERE'S A CELEBRATION SOON FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS.
SO WHAT CAME TO MY MIND, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THE FARMERS MARKET, RIGHT.
SUDDENLY OVERNIGHT IT WAS MANAGED BY SOMEONE ELSE AND HIGHLY TICKETED.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK WHEN SOMETHING WAS.
IF IT'S CREATING A NEW PAID PARKING AREA, IT'S FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL.
I THINK THE FARMER'S MARKET IS ALREADY IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, METERED PARKING AREA.
SO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE METERED SHOULD BE INSTALLED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE OUTLINE IN THE POLICY SORT OF THE DECISION MAKING FRAMEWORK, BUT WE DON'T IDENTIFY THAT SORT OF SPECIFIC PROCEDURAL ITEMS THAT ARE NORMALLY KIND OF THOSE INTERNAL DOCUMENTS THAT SAY, THIS PERSON DOES THIS AND THEN REPORTS IT TO THIS, AND THEN THEY DECIDE.
BUT GENERALLY ALL OF THAT WOULD BE DECIDED.
ULTIMATELY, IT'S ALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN SUDDENLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FARMER'S MARKET, THERE'S THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS A SEPARATE PARKING MANAGEMENT COMPANY, AND IT'S HANDLED VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REST OF THE PAID PARKING IN THE AREA.
AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT KIND OF THAT IS AN AREA THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, AND IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT WITH ALSO IN CONCERT WITH THE OTHER CODES, WHETHER IT BE UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SO ON AS THEY WERE, BECAUSE I THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT PARTICULAR CASE WAS NEGOTIATED OR PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF OR ASSISTANCE OF THAT AREA.
SO DEFINITELY WE HAVE TO INTEGRATE THESE THINGS WITH IT.
SIMILAR TO, I MEAN, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE'RE HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT DO IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT IS TO HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT THE PARKING COULD LOOK LIKE AND HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO IT.
RIGHT. SO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A SECTION OF A DISTRICT THAT SUDDENLY IS ADDED AND THEN THE MANAGEMENT AND TO HAVE A MULTIPLICITY OF MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OVER IT THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME USE CAMERAS AND TICKET AND OTHERS USE SOMETHING ELSE AND TICKET.
AND I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC DESERVES CONSISTENCY IN HOW OUR PARKING IS ENFORCED.
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SO THAT'S WHERE I'M THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.IS THAT CONSISTENCY IN A DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE DIFFERENT IN ANOTHER PART OF TOWN OR WHATEVER, BUT ONE DISTRICT SHOULD HAVE CONSISTENT PARKING, I BELIEVE.
SO IF I MAY REPEAT, PLEASE OR MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY.
WHICH I MEAN, AGAIN, I MEAN, IT'S A VALID POINT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OR WHAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS CONSISTENCY, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER IT IS BEING OPERATED BY A PRIVATE ENTITY OR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? IS THAT THE INTENT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT IN YOUR PRIVATE PARKING LOT IF YOU WANT TO CHARGE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M BEING CLEAR HERE.
WELL, I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON I WAS I'M KIND OF I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD, BASICALLY, SPECIFICALLY IN THE FARMERS MARKET, I NEED TO VERIFY OR IF SOMEONE CAN HELP ME IF THE FARMER'S MARKET LAND IS STILL PUBLIC, BUT THE OPERATION OF THAT PARKING IS BY A PRIVATE ENTITY.
SO. SO ALL TO SAY IS IT'S A VALID POINT.
AND THEN I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC, IF WE MOVE FORWARD TOWARD THE PASSAGE OF THIS, THAT THE SCHEDULE TO BE TO TACKLING THE RESIDENTIAL BE SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THIS.
YES, WE DO HAVE TIMEFRAMES IN THE POLICY DOCUMENT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IN IN ANTICIPATION OF ADOPTION AND HOPEFULLY EVEN BY THE COUNCIL BRIEFING, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT IN COORDINATION WITH INTERNAL RESOURCES AND JUST VERIFYING AND DOUBLE CHECKING EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING IN.
BUT THEY ARE IN THERE AND WE BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE SOUND RIGHT NOW.
JUST REMEMBER ALL GAPS IN INFORMATION WILL BE FILLED WITH NEGATIVE.
SO DON'T JUST SAY THE FUTURE, RIGHT.
WE NEED TO SAY BY NOVEMBER OF 25 OR WHATEVER IT IS.
COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
OKAY, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I REMEMBER I'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS STUDY AND GOTTEN LOOPED IN MANY TIMES, AND IT'S GREAT, BUT THERE'S THE MANAGED PARKING AREA AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED A PARKING DISTRICT.
IS THAT RIGHT? WOULD YOU ALL DESCRIBE WHAT A PARKING DISTRICT IS, AND IS THAT POTENTIALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE FARMERS MARKET, OR IS THAT SOMETHING OR YOU ALL THINK THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT? SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PRESENTATION, THE MANAGED PARKING AREAS FRAMEWORK IS KIND OF GOING AWAY.
AND NOW WE WOULD JUST HAVE CURRENTLY OUR PAID PARKING AREAS, PARKING BENEFIT DISTRICTS ARE A SORT OF OVER WHAT YOU MIGHT ALMOST CONSIDER. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS CONFUSING IT MORE, BUT AN OVERLAY ON TOP OF PAID PARKING AREAS.
AND COUNCIL COULD SAY, YES, WE SUPPORT DIVERTING SOME OF THE MONEY THAT WOULD OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MONEY FROM THE METERS THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. YES, WE SUPPORT DIVERTING SOME OF THAT BACK INTO THAT DISTRICT FOR USE FOR X, Y, Z AS DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE.
RIGHT. BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME TALK, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO, THAT IN ORDER TO HELP FUND MAINTENANCE OR O&M FOR A STREETCAR, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A PARKING DISTRICT AND SOME OF THE FUNDS FROM THAT PARKING DISTRICT WOULD, WOULD GO IN TO TO THAT TO HELP WITH, WITH THAT MANAGEMENT.
AND THE PARKING DISTRICT IS SUCH THAT THE WAY IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME WAS YOU DO YOU WOULD HAVE PARKING METERS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT COULD BE TIMED SO THAT SAY IN UPTOWN YOU COULD YOU'RE AT YOUR PEAK DEMAND, WHICH IS AN ODD TIME OF DAY FOR THE REST OF THE CITY.
BUT THERE'S WAY MORE PARKING GOING ON ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AFTER 8:00.
SO. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE PARKING METERS WOULD BE SET OR MONITORED TO A POINT WHERE YOU WOULD INCREASE PARKING COSTS LATER IN THE DAY VERSUS SOMETHING ON A 3:00 ON A TUESDAY AFTERNOON.
SO THE POLICY INCLUDES THE PROVISION FOR WHAT WE CALL THE DYNAMIC PRICING BASED ON THE UTILIZATION.
AND THIS IS PART OF THE OVERALL PROCESS.
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SO DEFINITELY, I, I BELIEVE AND I RECOMMEND THE DYNAMIC PRICING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE TURNOVER.AND THAT WOULD HELP THE BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE AVAILABILITY OF THE PARKINGS.
OKAY. AND SO HOW DO YOU DETERMINE IF AN ENTITY IS GOING TO COME IN AND MANAGE THAT PARKING DISTRICT WITH THAT? I MEAN, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE FARMER'S MARKET IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION FOR DALLAS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE THERE'S THIS KIND OF VERY UNIQUE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WHICH I THINK IS PARTIALLY WHY THE KIND OF CONFUSION IS COMING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHO WOULD MANAGE IT.
I THINK SOME OF THAT JUST WOULD GET DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CITY, AND ESPECIALLY IN TRANSPORTATION, KEEPING IN MIND THAT CONSISTENCY IS KEY AND PREDICTABILITY IS KEY FOR ALL ASPECTS OF TRAVELING.
AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE KEPT IN MIND AS PART OF THAT.
I JUST SEE A BIT OF A CONFLICT IN THAT.
I THINK THERE WILL BE ENTITIES THAT WILL WANT TO COME AND COME IN AND MANAGE THE PARKING DISTRICT, AND I THINK TRYING TO KEEP THEM CONSISTENT ACROSS THE CITY COULD BE A BIT OF A CHALLENGE. SO AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GOING TO BE PARKING DIFFERENCES IN THE FARMER'S MARKET AND IN UPTOWN AND IN BISHOP ARTS IN THOSE AREAS. SO AND WHETHER ENFORCEMENT IS CAMERAS OR ACTUAL PARKING ENFORCEMENT, PEOPLE COMING FROM THE CITY, THOSE ARE THAT'S JUST VERY.
AND ONCE WE START TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REALLY CLEAR WITH THE PUBLIC THAT THEY'RE JUST THERE ARE TO TO BEGIN TO CHANGE THEIR PERCEPTION AND THEIR EXPECTATIONS ON HOW PARKING WORKS, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE THE THE OLD STYLE ANYMORE, WHERE WE KNOW, WE THINK WE KNOW ANYWAY HOW IT'S GOING TO GO.
SO I JUST I KNOW FOR, FOR MOST PEOPLE, THOSE OF US HERE ARE VERY MUCH MORE EDUCATED ON PARKING AND THAT'S A LITTLE SCARY. BUT WE KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT PARKING THAN THE AVERAGE DALLAS CITIZEN.
SO LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE FIND WAYS TO COMMUNICATE THAT AND TO KEEP THAT CONSISTENT.
COUNCILMEMBER MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. SO I WANT TO ASK ABOUT CURB MANAGEMENT.
IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ADA, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY KIND OF ADA REFERENCE IN THIS PRESENTATION.
SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE REFERENCED IN THE APPENDIX, WHICH WAS THE PAST COUNCIL PRESENTATION.
HOPEFULLY IT WAS, BUT IT'S IN THE POLICY.
WE JUST WEREN'T MAKING ANY CHANGES TO IT BASED OFF OF PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO WE DIDN'T FEATURE IT IN THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
AND SO WHAT IS THE PRIORITIZATION OF THE CURB FOR HANDICAPPED PARKING.
AND MY SPECIFIC CONCERN, WHICH I THINK FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION, WAS THAT THE SCHEMATIC THAT YOU SHOWED US SHOWED THE PARKING VERY FAR AWAY, THAT IT WASN'T BEING PRIORITIZED.
FINALLY, AFTER I THINK TEN YEARS ADOPTED THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ACCESSIBILITY GUIDELINES, WE HAD BEEN USING THE DRAFT OF THOSE GUIDELINES IN OUR POLICY, BUT NOW WE CAN SAY THEY'RE OFFICIAL.
IF ON STREET PARKING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS ITSELF DELINEATED.
AND SO THE CITY WITH ALL ASPECTS OF ACCESSIBILITY WOULD BE STRIVING TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND WOULD YOU ENSURE ANY PLACES THAT BECOME METERED PARKING THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY WOULD HAVE CURB CUTS ADDED AS PART OF THAT INSTALLATION OF METERS? YES, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT SETS OUT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND SO I THINK HAVING THOSE MAYBE CONVERSATIONS LOCALLY ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TAKING THE EASY WAY, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A CURB CUTS, IF THAT'S NOT THE BEST WAY. SO I THINK WITH INSTALLING METERS, YOU KNOW, CREATING THOSE INTERNAL PROCESSES AND CHECKLISTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING ADA STANDARDS IS SOMETHING THAT IS PROMOTED BY THIS POLICY.
AND LEGALLY REQUIRED, RIGHT? YES. OKAY, SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT SPILLOVER INTO NEIGHBORHOODS.
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WHERE IN THE CITY ARE YOU FINDING THAT YOU'RE HAVING PARKING ISSUES SPILLOVER INTO NEIGHBORHOODS? HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SCOTT WALTON.I'M AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY A NUMBER OF PLACES.
TIMBER GLEN IS GOING TO WANT TO BE ONE OF THOSE.
GRAMERCY OAKS IS ANOTHER AREA, BUT WE ALSO SEE A LOT IN UPTOWN BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT REALLY WERE THEY COME IN AND TAKE OVER BLOCKS OF RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO OUR PARKING LIMITS.
SO THOSE ARE AREAS WE'RE SEEING.
THE APARTMENT COMPLEX GENERATED ISSUES ARE BECOMING MORE PROMINENT.
BUT I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PRIMARY.
MORE SPORADIC THAN THE OTHER AREAS I MENTIONED.
BISHOP ARTS IS A GROWING ISSUE AS WELL.
SO IN AREAS WHERE YOU'RE HAVING THE SPILLOVER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS, I'M WONDERING FIRST IF YOU COULD TELL US THE STEPS THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD COULD USE TO EITHER GET NO PARKING SIGNS OR METERED PARKING, AND WHAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS COULD DO TO PUT IN A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM.
OKAY, SO I'LL START WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM.
SO THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS TWO SEPARATE PROGRAMS. THERE'S ONE THAT'S FOR DEEP ELLUM.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY.
SO IN SHORT RESIDENT, THEY WOULD PULL TOGETHER A PERMIT FROM THE RESIDENTS ALONG THE STREET.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE A FULL BLOCK FACE.
AND THEY WOULD ALL SIGN A PETITION.
AND IT'S NOT 100%, I THINK IT'S 80% OF THE STREET FACE.
AND THEN THEY SUBMIT IT WITH AN APPLICATION FEE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
A DISTRICT ENGINEER WOULD THEN GO OUT DURING THE PERIODS.
AND MIDNIGHT. SO THE DISTRICT ENGINEER WOULD GO OUT THERE ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, OBSERVE WHAT THE PARKING SITUATION IS ALONG THE PUBLIC STREET, AND BASICALLY IF MORE THAN SIX, IF THEY'LL LOOK FIRST TO MAKE SURE THAT MORE THAN 60% OF THE PARKING, PUBLIC PARKING IS FULL, AND THEN THEY'LL LOOK FOR THE GENERATOR OF THAT 60% OR MORE OF 20% OF THAT IS FROM OUTSIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THEN IT QUALIFIES FOR A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PROGRAM.
SO IF THAT GETS APPROVED, THEN THEY SUBMIT THE PAYMENT FOR THE SIGNS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST WENT TO A NEW PARKING MANAGEMENT VENDOR.
SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO ONLINE, ORDER THEIR HANG TAGS WHICH AREN'T AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT.
AND BUT THAT'S ABOUT TO COME ONLINE AND IT'LL ALSO REGISTER THEIR PLATE OF THEIR CARS.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO ARE THERE DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO THE OTHER NO PARKING IF I GUESS I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE TO TRY TO ENFORCE, WELL, NOT ENFORCE, BUT TRY TO ALLEVIATE THE TAKEOVER OF THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU IDENTIFIED SEVERAL STREETS IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE HAVING THIS ISSUE.
IT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE MULTIPLE FAMILIES ARE LIVING IN ONE APARTMENT, AND THE APARTMENTS WILL ONLY GIVE THEM ONE PARKING OR TWO PARKING SPOTS, AND THEY HAVE SIX CARS BECAUSE THEY THEY JUST DO.
AND OR THE CARS DON'T HAVE INSURANCE AND REGISTRATION OR ANY KIND OF LICENSE PLATES.
AND SO I MEAN, I'M HEARING FROM RESIDENTS, NUMBER ONE, THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A VERY EXTENSIVE PROCESS TO SET UP THIS RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT PROGRAM.
BUT THEN ALSO WHEN THEY HAVE A GUEST COME, THEY HAVE TO NOW REGISTER THAT THERE MIGHT BE A GUEST CAR AND FIND OUT THEIR TAG INFORMATION JUST TO HAVE SOMEONE COME OVER TO THEIR HOUSE SO THEY DON'T GET A CITATION.
AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, IS THE SAFETY ASPECT.
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SADLY, HE DIDN'T STOP.THE BOY HAS LIVED, THANK GOODNESS, BUT THIS IS TRAUMATIC AND IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM A REC CENTER.
IT'S WALKING DISTANCE FROM THE SCHOOL AND TO HIS APARTMENT.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AND HOW THAT HAPPENS.
OKAY, SO YOU'VE BROUGHT UP ACTUALLY SEVERAL ACTUALLY SOME GOOD POINTS THAT.
SO ONE IS I KNOW THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD I CAN NAME THE STREET, IF YOU LIKE, THAT RECENTLY, SAM RAYBURN TRAIL RECENTLY GOT THEIR THING APPROVED. I THINK DECEMBER THE 8TH IS WHEN THE SIGNS ARE GOING UP FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING, SO THAT THAT WAS THE PROCESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO, I GUESS, TO VET OR A LOT OF MOST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD WANT RESIDENT PARKING IN THEIR AREA.
SO, BUT THEY'VE GOT THAT DONE FOR AS FAR AS LIKE, RENTERS WANTING NO PARKING. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A RESIDENT LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY.
THE RPO PROGRAM IS ONLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX, SO LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEX CAN'T PUT IN FOR IT.
SO SPECIFICALLY, HOW COULD RESIDENTS, MAYBE NOT LANDOWNERS, RIGHT? RENTERS? HOW CAN RESIDENTS ADVOCATE TO HAVE PARKING METERS PUT IN ON A SPECIFIC STREET OR NO PARKING SIGNS? SO FOR THE PARKING METERS IN THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT ACTUALLY NAMES THE STREETS THE AREAS.
SO IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, AN ADDITION THAT WOULD REQUIRE COUNCIL ACTION TO GO, HEY, THIS AREA WANTS TO INSTALL METERS AND THEN JUST FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT.
AND ONCE IT'S APPROVED, THEN THE METERS COULD BE INSTALLED.
LET'S FOR EXAMPLE ON TIMBER GLEN.
I MEAN, THAT IS A THAT'S A VERY WIDE STREET.
THERE ISN'T I DON'T I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A JUSTIFICATION FOR IT OTHER THAN THEY WANT IT AND IT'S NOT IT'S I GUESS PRIMARILY THE BACK OF THEIR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR PRIVACY FENCES ON TIMBER GLENN.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST TIMBER.
AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S A PROCESS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
YES. SOMEBODY THEY CAN GO INTO 311 AND SUBMIT A REQUEST TO ADD NO PARKING SIGNS.
AND THE DISTRICT, WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP THAT YOU DO? THEN A DISTRICT ENGINEER GOES OUT THERE AND REVIEWS IF, IF AND WHAT? NO PARKING SIGNS WOULD BE WARRANTED IN THE AREA.
SO IT IS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE NEED TO LOOK CLOSELY AT THE PROCESS TO SIMPLIFY IT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING, AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SPILL OVERS AND ALL THAT STUFF, MY INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS DURING THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE OFFSITE PARKING THAT THE IMPACT OF ANY DECISION OR WHATEVER THAT DECISION MAY END UP BEING OF, THE MINIMUM OR NO MINIMUMS, IS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE IMPACT OF WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE ON STREET PARKING? WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND IT'S CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL CITY.
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YOU. IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WERE TWO WAYS YOU COULD GO, WHETHER THE CITY WOULD BUILD AND OPERATE THE CHARGING STATIONS, OR IF THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FRANCHISED OR LICENSED OUT, AND I WOULD STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR LICENSING IT OUT AND PUTTING A DIFFERENT OPERATOR THERE AND GENERATE THAT REVENUE.THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I THOUGHT THAT'S ALL BEING TACKLED LATER.
SO I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DIDN'T MISS MY CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
IN DETAIL WILL BE TALKED ABOUT LATER.
OKAY. SO WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE POLICIES AROUND IT.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ANECDOTAL AND AS NEEDED.
SO WILL WE BE SETTING UP, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW IN OTHER CITIES I MAY HAVE EVEN SENT THIS TO YOU.
FOR OTHER CARS, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS.
SO WILL WE BE DOING THAT AS PART OF THIS IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS? SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE THOSE PROVISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE BASICALLY THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CERTAIN FEET SO MANY FEET BACK AND SO ON.
NOW OBVIOUSLY THE ENGINEERING OF WHETHER WE PUT IN PHYSICAL BARRIERS LIKE THE BOLLARDS VERSUS JUST KEEPING IT AS A PAINTED CROSS-HATCHED AREA.
I MEAN, THESE ARE KIND OF THE DECISION THAT WE HAVE TO EVALUATE BASED.
I WOULD RECOMMEND OR CHARACTERIZE IT AS A RISK BASED DECISION MAKING ON THIS HERE.
SOME PLACES MAYBE LOWER RISK IF WE PUT THE BOLLARDS, BUT OTHER PLACES IF WE PUT THE BOLLARDS, IT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC AND CAN CREATE MORE HARM THAN ACTUALLY WHAT IT DOES.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROACH THOSE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BASED ON RISK ASSESSMENT.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I JUST HAVE A FOLLOW UP.
MY PURPOSE IN BRINGING UP SOME OF THESE PARKED STREETS THAT ARE NEXT TO VERY LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IS THAT I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET ADDITIONAL METERED PARKING AREAS ADDED.
YOU MENTIONED FARMERS MARKET, DEEP ELLUM, UPTOWN, BUT CAN A NEW AREA BE ADDED? YES, THEY CAN.
AND THE POLICY RIGHT NOW IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR CREATING NEW MANAGED PARKING AREAS.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT A REALLY CLEAR REASONING OR OR WARRANTS FOR THEM.
AND IT REALLY BEING FOCUSED ON GETTING ON BUSINESSES AND LESS ON RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO THAT MIGHT PLAY INTO WHETHER OR NOT CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, US NOT WANTING TO MAKE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE RIGHT TOOL IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO VERY OFTEN THERE'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPERS THE RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW MUCH PARKING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR AREA, BUT IF THEY MISS, IF THEY DON'T PRODUCE ENOUGH PARKING, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO REPERCUSSION FOR THAT, BECAUSE THEN THEY'LL JUST USE THE STREET.
AND SO MY MY QUESTION IS, HOW CAN THIS BECOME METERED SO THAT GUESTS CAN USE THE OFF STREET PARKING? I'M SORRY, THE ON STREET PARKING TO GO VISIT THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, BUT THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS ARE ASSURED PARKING IN THEIR SPOT IN THEIR IN THEIR LOT.
AND THIS WOULD ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE THE LANDLORDS TO TO ABIDE BY LIMITS FOR HOW MANY VEHICLES A RESIDENT CAN HAVE, AND PROBABLY WOULD HELP US IN CODE ENFORCEMENT IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN A SINGLE DWELLING.
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APARTMENTS. AND I HAVE MULTIPLES OF THOSE.AND WHEN WE GET IT PASSED, WILL YOU PLEASE.
WELL, I MEAN, DEFINITELY I MEAN, ALL THE CREDIT GOES TO STAFF AND CERTAINLY TO ALL OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT COLLECTIVE EFFORT ON EVERYBODY'S PART.
I MEAN, WHETHER IT BE IN COUNCIL MEMBERS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS OR STAFF AND THE STAKEHOLDERS CERTAINLY, THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED, AND I APPRECIATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS TO BRING THIS POLICY INTO THE 21ST CENTURY AND HAVE SOMETHING.
I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT NOTHING IS PERFECT FROM THE FIRST TIME.
AND NEXT WE HAVE BRIEFING BY MEMO.
AND THE FIRST ONE IS LETTER D FLOOD RISK MANAGEMENT PROJECT UPDATE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THE MEMO IS THERE.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THIS.
ONE IS WILL THIS MEASURE HELP PREVENT THE SHUTDOWN OF DART BUS AND RAIL SERVICE THAT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY OF 2022? SO I DON'T SEE ALI, BUT I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT.
YES, ON THE BUS, THE RAIL IS NOT GOING TO THIS ISN'T GOING TO AFFECT THE RAIL.
IS THAT BECAUSE THE RAIL HAS THE CABLES RIGHT ON TOP? SO THAT'S DIFFERENT. WELL I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING DIFFERENTLY.
AND CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF OF BRIAN MATERIAL EARLIER THIS YEAR.
BRIAN IS IS A PRETREATMENT FOR THE ROADS THAT HELPS PREVENT ICE FROM FORMING.
AND SO SO I CAN SEE US IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A STREET CAR TYPE SOMETHING, I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO IN AND AND TREAT THE, THE RAIL ASPECTS.
BUT DEFINITELY ALONG THE BUS ROUTES WE'LL PRE-TREAT AND THEN ALSO TREAT IF ANYTHING FORMS. EXCELLENT. VERY GOOD.
AND THEN ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? COMMITTEE MEMBERS. ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE. F THE MONTHLY UPDATE.
YES. SO THIS IS A VERY SHORT MEMO.
SO IT'S MISSING THE BOND PROJECTS.
GOOD AFTERNOON. ALI OTTAWAY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS COUNCIL MEMBER THE BOND PROJECT.
SINCE THEY ARE NOT HAPPENING IN THE FISCAL YEAR, USUALLY THEY ARE MULTIYEAR PROJECTS.
WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THIS MEMO, BECAUSE THIS IS THE IMP REPORT THAT WE HAVE ON THE FISCAL YEAR TO SEE HOW THE PROJECTS ARE BASICALLY GETTING COMPLETED ON A YEAR BASIS.
BUT SINCE BOND IS NOT FALLING INTO THAT CATEGORY, WE REMOVED IT.
WE'RE ALSO AT THE END OF THE BOND 2017 BOND, BECAUSE WE'RE WRAPPING UP ALL THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, BUT IF THE DESIRE IS TO INCLUDE THEM AGAIN, WE CAN INCLUDE THEM.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THEM IN ONE YEAR.
SO IT'S NOT A VERY GOOD INDICATION TO SHOW THEM THAT WAY.
ANYWAYS. SO FOR ME, I WOULD FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS WE'VE HAD BOTH BOND, MATRIX AND AND IMP, AND I LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.
EVEN IF ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON AREN'T GOING TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THIS FISCAL YEAR, I STILL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE WORK YOU'RE MANAGING, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY SIGNIFICANT.
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AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT INCLUDED.ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.
THEN WE HAVE THE AGENDA ITEMS. ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE AGENDA ITEMS? COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. I JUST HAVE ONE.
AND IT'S FOR. WELL, I GUESS THERE'S TWO.
AND MY QUESTION IS WHY THERE'S SUCH A LARGE INCREASE IN THIS CONTRACT.
SO I MEAN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE 20% FOR H.
AND I DIDN'T DO THE MATH ON I.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THIS.
COUNCIL MEMBER. WE CAN GET YOU SPECIFICS, MA'AM, BUT TYPICALLY OR ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS FOR IS TO ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO REMOTE CONTROL OUR SYSTEMS. IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DON'T HAVE STAFF ON SITE OR WHATNOT.
WE CAN ACTUALLY REMOTELY GET INTO THE SYSTEM TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.
BUT I CAN GET YOU MORE DETAILS ON IT AS TO SPECIFICALLY WHY THE 20% INCREASE THAT YOU REFERENCED.
OKAY, WELL, I'M NOT I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE WORTHINESS OF THE PROJECT FOR I OR THE ROOF WORK FOR H.
I'M QUESTIONING THAT WE WOULD INCREASE IT $1 MILLION.
AND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL ASK OVER AT GBFM IF WE CAN MAYBE START LOOKING AT OUR VENDORS AND HOW FREQUENTLY THEY'RE PUTTING IN THESE MASSIVE CHANGE ORDERS. BUT IT'S CONCERNING THE OTHER ITEM I HAVE FURTHER DOWN.
DID YOU WANT ME TO DO IT NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH IT? YEP. AND SO THIS IS ABOUT THE CONCESSIONS AND FOR THE AIRPORT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT A EIGHT THROUGH A 12 SO IT'S ALMOST $17 MILLION.
I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE THAT MONEY GOES AND WHAT ARE THE USES FOR IT? PATRICK. PATRICK'S COMING DIRECTOR OF AVIATION FOR THE AVIATION FUND.
COUNCIL MEMBER. SO THE QUESTION IS ON THOSE ITEMS WHERE THE REVENUE IS GOING OR WHERE THE THE SO THE CONCESSION FUNDS THAT YOU'LL BE RECEIVING ALMOST $17 MILLION.
THEY'RE GOING INTO THE AVIATION FUND.
SO IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUND IS AND THE USES THAT ARE POSSIBLE AND WHAT YOU DO USE IT FOR.
SURE. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO THESE GO BACK INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
SO WITHIN THIS IS OUR CONCESSION.
AND PARKING REVENUE IS IN OUR CURRENT AIRLINE USE AGREEMENTS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A RESIDUAL AGREEMENT WHERE THERE'S A 75% COST SHARE, WHERE 75% WILL GO BACK TO THE AIRLINES, REDUCE THEIR COSTS FOR OPERATING, AND 25% COMES TO US.
AND THEN WE WILL USE THAT REVENUE TO FUND OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT.
SO THEY COULD BE PROJECTS WITHIN THE TERMINAL, RELATED AIRLINE RELATED TYPE OF PROJECTS OR OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT THAT WOULD GO BACK INTO THE RATE BASE THAT THE AIRLINES ARE PAYING EVERY YEAR.
AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE ITEMS. I'M NOT SEEING ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
PLEASE MAKE SURE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU GET WITH STAFF BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING SO THAT WE CAN NOT HAVE BRIEFINGS ON THE FLOOR ON THESE AGENDA ITEMS. THE TIME IS NOW 2:40 P.M., AND I NOW CALL TO CLOSE THE DECEMBER 5TH, 2023 TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS. IT'S OUR FINAL MEETING OF THE YEAR.
WE'LL RECONVENE AS TRANSPORTATION IN THE NEW YEAR.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.