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WE HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
TODAY IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 12TH, 2023.
THE TIME IS 5:52 PM AND I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, WE WILL BEGIN, UM, WITH A QUICK ROLL CALL.
DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH PRESENT.
I KNOW I WON'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE IT ALL.
UH, MR. HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE IS PRESENT.
UM, UH, HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GOOD THANKSGIVING AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
UM, AND I, WE WON'T SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY.
SO I WANNA WISH YOU GUYS A, A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A VERY HAPPY, SAFE NEW YEAR.
UM, GOING INTO NEXT YEAR TO GET STARTED TONIGHT.
I HAVE ONE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, MS. PHILLIPS, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE OF OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, MS. PHILLIPS WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
I'LL NOTIFY YOU WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP AND WHEN I DO SO PLEASE STOP SPEAKING.
UH, JUST BE MINDFUL THAT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS A BOARD MEMBER BY NAME.
UM, JUST ADDRESS YOUR SOLU SLU, BLESS YOU.
JUST, UH, ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO ME.
DOLORES PHILLIPS ADDRESS, SIX 20 WEST WESTCHESTER PARKWAY, APARTMENT 1 7 1 0 8 GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.
I DO UNDERSTAND NOW THE PROCESS OF SPEAKING OF INJUSTICES.
IF I WERE A POLICE OFFICER, LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANY ONE OF YOU SPEAKING OF INJUSTICES, YOU WOULD ENDURE THE SAME REPERCUSSIONS I HAVE PAST, PRESENT AND GOING FAMILY AND FRIENDS TOO.
IF I WAS A POLICE OFFICER FOR SPEAKING OF INJUSTICES, IT WOULD BE MY FELLOW BROTHERS IN BLUE WHO WOULD RETALIATE, INTIMIDATE, AND SHUT ME DOWN IN SILENCE BY FEAR.
IT'S NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.
MS. MCCLARY, YOU DO HAVE HIN DOSS.
IT'S MY DAD'S PROGRAM RIGHT HERE.
TO BE FAIR, THE CD CAME UP MISSING THAT PROVES THAT I WAS NEVER LYING ABOUT A COVERUP WITHIN A COVERUP.
WELL, NOW IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME BECAUSE THEY USED THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT IN A PROBATE COURT.
NOW, MIND YOU, A POLICE REPORT IS ON GOVERNMENT LETTERHEAD IN A GOVERNMENT DATABASE, WHICH IS NOW USED IN PROBATE COURT, WHICH IS A GOVERNMENT COURT IN A FAMILY COURT WITH AN INCAPACITATED ELDER MAN WHO IEGE DOUBT.
DALLAS', DELIBERATE, MALICIOUS, STRATEGIC, ORCHESTRATED, EXECUTED NEGLIGENCE CAUSED MY DAD DEMISE BEFORE HE HIS TIME.
FATHOM YOU, YOUR FATHER, YOUR MOTHER, BROTHER, OR SISTER PLEADING WITH YOU.
THAT'S WHAT MY DAD TOLD ME RIGHT HERE.
HE TOLD ME THAT NO PITY PARTY NEEDED NONE.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHARE WITH YOU IS FABRICATED POLICE REPORTS.
PEOPLE WHO ARE EXONERATED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ARE SET UP TO FAIL BY THE VERY LINKS AND NETWORKS THAT SAY, I'M CONFUSED BY WHO THEY ARE.
IT'S REALLY NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.
AND IT'S REALLY ALL ONE AND THE SAME.
I'M SHARING WITH MS. ELAINE CHANDLER,
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INTERIM DIRECTOR OF O-C-O-P-O OR CPOB TO DO THE RIGHT THING.SEE HOW WE CAN HELP CITIZENS AND OFFICERS.
THIS IS PART REASON WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY OFFICERS DRINKING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, ANGRY.
IF YOU HELP POLICE OFFICERS, YOU'LL HELP CITIZENS BECAUSE IT IS POLICE OFFICERS WHO UNLEASH THEIR RAGE ON CITIZENS AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE THAT SOME OFFICERS DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE MASKING YOUR CORRUPTION, YOUR COVERUPS FOR YEARS AND DECADES AND DECADES.
HE COULD STILL BE HERE, BUT BECAUSE OF DELIBERATE NEGLIGENCE, BECAUSE OF POWER, BECAUSE OF, UH, CLOUT, PRESTIGE WEALTH.
WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT IT IN THE COURT OF LAW SO I COULD RESPOND TO IT.
DEPUTY SHARMA COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY, A LITEM DISCUSSED WITH THE STAFF ATTORNEY OVER IN PROBATE COURT TOO.
SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD CAUSE FOR HER TO BE THE COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY AD LITEM NEVER PUT IT ON RECORD FOR ALL PARTIES TO RESPOND.
I ALLEGE A DELIBERATE TAKEOVER OF MY DAD'S ESTATE DUE TO RETALIATION, AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE AND I'M KNOCKING ON DOORS.
HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING? IF SO, UM, IF THERE'S NOT ANY CHANGES, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE DAVID KITNER DISTRICT 13? MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES.
CAN I GET SECOND D WADSWORTH DISTRICT 12 SECOND.
SEEING NONE, CAN WE GET A VOTE? AYE AYE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO UH, MOVE ON TO THE MEMO, UM, TO CHIEF GARCIA REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR 5 0 5 DASH ONE.
YEAH, SO WE, UM, WE SENT THAT, UM, LAST WEEK, WEEK BEFORE, UM, TO CHIEF GARCIA.
SO HE HAS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR UPDATING GENERAL ORDER 5 0 5 DASH ZERO ONE.
WE HOPE, UH, IT'S TO HIM FOR CONSIDERATION.
WE HOPE HE REVIEWS IT, UM, AND, UH, FINDS, FINDS IT FAVORABLE.
UM, IF NOT, WE'LL AT LEAST GET A CHANCE TO HEAR BACK FROM HIM WHAT HE THINKS ON THAT.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT MEMO THAT WENT OUT TO CHIEF GARCIA? I HAVE A QUESTION I'M LOOKING AT, IS IT INCLUDED HERE WITH THE PACKAGE? IT IS.
IS IT INCLUDED? IS THE MEMO INCLUDED HERE WITH THE PACKAGE? 'CAUSE I, I THINK I MIGHT BE MISSING IT.
YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT DID, DID, DID I SKIP ONE? I DID SKIP ONE, DIDN'T I? OKAY.
SO LET ME, UH, LEMME TAKE THIS BACK REAL QUICK.
UM, I, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I LOOK AT MY, UH, ON MY OLD SCRIPT.
ALRIGHT, SO FOR ITEM TWO A, ONE OF OUR ACTION ITEMS IS THE DYNELL LANE INVESTIGATION, UM, BY DPD.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE A MAJOR, UH, ALANISE FROM IAD ON.
AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER TO, UH, TO ADD ANY COMMENTARY.
I WILL DEFER TO, UH, MAJOR ALANISE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS.
HOW ARE YOU? WE'RE DOING GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
SO, UM, REGARDING THE MR. LANE CASE, IT IS IN THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
UM, JUST FOR MY OWN, UH, KNOWLEDGE.
WHAT, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
SO THAT MEANS THAT, UM, ID THE INVESTIGATOR HAS SUBMITTED THE INVESTIGATION.
I HAVE REVIEWED IT, AND NOW THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE CASE ARE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE CASE.
UM, HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT TAKING? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY? I MEAN, I NOT, IT WILL VARY ON THE DIFFERENT WATCHES AND SHIFTS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WORK.
UM, SO WHENEVER THEY'RE ABLE TO COME IN AND REVIEW IT, THAT'S, I MEAN, WE, WE WORK AROUND THEIR SCHEDULE.
I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD, SIR, FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MAJOR ALANISE.
I KNOW YOU SAID INITIALLY, UM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I THINK MAYBE SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, YOU TOLD US THAT YOU WERE GONNA ASSIGN A DETECTIVE TO
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WORK EXCLUSIVELY ON THIS CASE.AND MY QUESTION IS OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A VERY THOROUGH, UH, INVESTIGATION AND THAT INVOLVED ALL THE OFFICERS INVOLVED, OR JUST ONE THAT WOULD BE ALL OFFICERS INVOLVED.
AND HIS OR HER, UM, WRITTEN REPORT WAS REVIEWED BY YOU, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THEN YOU'VE MADE, UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO THAT DETECTIVE'S REPORT AND THAT'S WHAT'S UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW BY THE PARTIES INVOLVED.
AND SO ABOVE YOU AND IA, HAS ANYONE ABOVE YOU REVIEW THAT DETECTIVE'S WORK? NO, MA'AM.
AND HAS OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR REVIEWED ANY OF THAT? YES, I HAVE REVIEWED THE CASE.
UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, I I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE HERE.
UM, I THINK THIS CAME BEFORE US IN SEPTEMBER MM-HMM.
AND SO WE'RE ROUGHLY 90 DAYS OUT AND YOU ARE GOING TO WORK AROUND THE SCHEDULE OF THE EMPLOYEES SO THAT THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT PROCESS TO ME THEN? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON THE EMPLOYEES TO DO TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE CASE? THE FINALIZATION OF THE CASE.
SO THEY GET TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE FINALIZATION OF THE CASE? YES.
AND YOU'RE WORKING AROUND THEIR SCHEDULES TO DO THAT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ETA ON HOW LONG SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD TAKE FOUR WEEKS, SIX WEEKS, EIGHT WEEKS OR, OR WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT INTO THE SPRING.
WE TRY TO GET THEM IN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
IF SOME OF THE OFFICERS WORK, LET'S SAY OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, THAT'S WHERE WE TRY TO BRING OUR STAFF IN A LITTLE BIT EARLY DURING THAT OVERLAP OR EVEN STAY LATE SO THAT THOSE OFFICERS CAN COME IN AND REVIEW IT.
IF THERE ARE ANY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WITH ONE OF THE OFFICERS THAT THEY'RE UNABLE TO COME IN, WELL THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT SO YOU DON'T CALL AN OFFICER IN WHENEVER THERE'S SHIFT STARTS TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED YOU TO LOOK AT THIS BEFORE YOU HIT THE STREET THIS WEEK, SO THAT ALL OF IT COULD GET DONE PRETTY WRAPPED UP PRETTY QUICKLY.
BECAUSE AS I STATED, IF SOME OF THESE OFFICERS WORK OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, THEN YOU, YOU, YOU MEAN YOUR BUSINESS HOURS WHEN YOU SAY OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS? YES.
SO WHEN YOUR OFFICE IS CLOSED, THEY CAN'T COME IN AND AND READ OVER IT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART I'M MISUNDERSTANDING.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WORKED AROUND THE CLOCK TOO.
SO IF IT'S OFFICES IN THE FIELD, YOUR OFFICES ONLY ARE LIKE EIGHT TO FIVE? YES, SIR.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CORRECTION FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS CAME BEFORE AS IN AUGUST.
SO IT'S BEEN LONGER THAN SEPTEMBER.
JUDGE LANDER HERE, UM, DISTRICT EIGHT.
HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWING THIS THAT WE'RE WAITING ON? I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN INVESTIGATION, I'M LIMITED ON WHAT I PRESENT TO THE BOARD.
I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT AN OPEN INVESTIGATION TO THE BOARD, SIR.
SO YOU CAN'T TELL US HOW MANY OFFICERS, AND YOU CAN'T TELL US HOW LONG.
THERE, THERE WERE FOUR OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE, GET TO REVIEW IT.
THAT, THAT REALLY IS MY QUESTION IS HOW MANY GET TO REVIEW THIS? FOUR.
BUT THERE ARE FOUR OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT ACCORDING TO OUR KNOWLEDGE.
IS THAT CORRECT, MA'AM? I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, SIR.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. DISTRICT FOUR.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PROCEDURES.
IS THERE A TIMELINE IN WHICH A NORMAL INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE CONCLUDED AND ALL OF THE OFFICERS OR WHOEVER INVOLVED? SO IT COULD JUST GO ON FOREVER OR THERE ARE NO PROCEDURES, SO IT CANNOT GO ON FOREVER? 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE.
WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT THE REVIEW PRO, THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW PHASE.
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SO WE ARE FOLLOWING OUR, OUR PROCEDURES.I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M OLD AND SOMETIMES I DON'T UNDERSTAND THINGS.
SO WE'RE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES AND IT'S TAKEN FOUR MONTHS FOR YOU OR WHOMEVER TO REVIEW A VIDEO THAT THE WORLD SAW AND INVESTIGATE.
AND HERE WE ARE STILL WITH NOTHING.
AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT YOU DO HAVE PROCEDURES.
I DO NOT HAVE A TIMELINE FOR YOU.
UM, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AN A DETECTIVE HAS PUT TOGETHER A REPORT AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY YOU AND NOW IT'S BEING REVIEWED BY THE EMPLOYEES.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW STAGE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE COMES IN, LOOKS AT THE REVIEW, SAYS, YES, I'VE SEEN IT, OR THE EMPLOYEE COMES IN, LOOKS AT THE REVIEW, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A DECISION POINT ABOUT WHETHER THEY WANNA AGREE OR DISAGREE OR, OR PUSH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROCEDURE FORWARD? SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
THE EMPLOYEE IS PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND REVIEW OUR FINDINGS.
OUR FINAL CASE, THEY'RE ABLE TO JUST FOR CLARITY, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
I APOLOGIZE IF WE COULD JUST, INSTEAD OF SAYING REVIEW, BECAUSE I I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S, ARE YOU TALKING THE MICROPHONE? OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, JUST WHEN YOU SAY REVIEW, YOU MEAN READ IT, RIGHT? RE RE JUST REVIEW IT, READ IT.
UM, BUT THEY ARE REVIEWING EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE CASE.
CAN I AND AND THEN THEY SIGN IT OR IS THERE A DECISION POINT? THEY, THEY DO HAVE TO SIGN IT.
UM, AND THEN THEY'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY WHETHER THEY AGREE OR DISAGREE, AND IF THEY WANNA ADD ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY CAN.
I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE TOO SIMPLISTIC ABOUT THIS.
I JUST, I'M KIND OF WONDERING HOW LONG THE EMPLOYEE, IF THEY WANT TO, CAN DRAG THIS OUT.
OR WHETHER WE'RE PRETTY MUCH AT THE END OF THE ROAD AND IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REPORT SOON.
THE EMPLOYEE CANNOT DRAG IT OUT.
AND AGAIN, I'LL HAVE THE REPORT DONE ONCE IT GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS DOWN HERE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
IS THERE SOMETHING PAST THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW STAGE? YES, MA'AM.
THEN THERE'S THE CHAIN OF COMMAND RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN, UH, IT WILL END UP WITH THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, OF THAT BUREAU OR WHEREVER THOSE OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED SO THAT HE CAN REVIEW IT OR SHE, AND THEN RENDER ANY DISCIPLINE THAT THEY SEE FIT.
IS THERE LIKE A FLOW CHART OR ANYTHING THAT WE CAN GET OF THIS PROCEDURE? 'CAUSE I JUST, I WANNA BE MORE, YEAH.
SO I DON'T, BUT IF SO MR. CHAIR, MAY I, MAY I ADDRESS YOU AND THE BOARD? YEAH, PLEASE.
SO IT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS SOME DISCONNECT WITH OUR PROCESSES HERE IN IAD UM, I HAVE REACHED OUT AND INVITED YOU ALL TO COME DOWN THAT WAY MAYBE WE COULD LIKE DO A WALKTHROUGH AND YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY A PROCESS, MAYBE FOLLOW THROUGH OR FOLLOW ALONG ON EVERYTHING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CASE.
UM, BECAUSE IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT IT WAS JUST THE DETECTIVE THAT WAS SOLELY ASSIGNED TO THIS AND THEN HANDS IT TO ME AND THEN ONCE I SIGN IT, WE'RE DONE.
BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS DOWN HERE.
AND I'M SORRY, I, I THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS FAMILIAR WITH HOW AN IAD CASE WORKS HERE.
UM, SO A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE ARE SAYING NO, THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS.
WELL, MR. WELL, UM, MR. CHAIR, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING RIGHT QUICK? UM, 'CAUSE I, I, I DO THINK THERE IS, AS EXPLAINED TO ME A MISCONCEPTION AND WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT PROBABLY HAVE NO BEARING AT THIS POINT.
BUT I DID ACCEPT MAJOR ALLEN'S, UH, OFFER TO GO SPEAK TO HER.
AND I SPENT AN HOUR, AN HOUR AND A HALF TALKING TO 'EM.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND ALL OF YOU DO THE SAME THING AND LET HER EXPLAIN TO YOU THE STEPS.
BECAUSE I DID HAVE A MISCONCEPTION AS TO WHAT HAPPENED.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE WORD RECOMMENDATION WAS USED.
I WAS TOLD IAD DOES NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THEY JUST COME UP WITH A REPORT THAT HERE ARE THE FACTS, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE DETERMINED TO BE THE FACTS.
AND THEN IT GOES UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT IAD DOES NOT MAKE THE DISCIPLINE DECISION UP OR DOWN IT GOES ELSEWHERE.
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ALLEN, IF I'M INCORRECT, TELL ME, UH, AND STOP ME.BUT THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM YOU.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT YOU TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BY AND, AND TALK TO HER.
I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT HELPFUL.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I HAD SOME MISCONCEPTIONS.
UM, AND, UH, I, I THINK IT WORKS DIFFERENTLY THAN, UH, I THOUGHT, AND I THINK IT'LL WORK DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU THINK, WHETHER YOU LIKE THE PROCESS OR NOT.
THAT IS WHAT IT IS, AND THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW IT.
AND MAJOR, UM, REAL QUICK, THAT IS ALSO, UM, IS THAT PROCESS LAID OUT IN THE GENERAL ORDERS AS WELL? YES, SIR.
WE ARE THE 500, WHICH, WHICH, UM, CHAPTER, BECAUSE WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GOING TO PASS THAT OUT TO ALL OF THE, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HERE SO THEY CAN MAKE THEMSELVES FAMILIAR WITH THE GENERAL ORDERS, UH, THAT GOVERNS THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER.
UM, I CAN FIND THE SPECIFIC ONE THAT APPLIES TO EXTERNAL COMPLAINTS AND I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU.
I, I HAVE A, UH, I HAVE A BOARD MEMBER HERE, DISTRICT 13.
OH, HE ALREADY DID HIS DISTRICT 11, MS. TY, UH, MAJOR ESE.
I REMEMBER ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO, WE WERE SITTING AROUND IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE ADDRESSING US, AND WE WERE SAYING THE VERY SAME THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID NOW THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN END DATE IN SITE, BUT IT'LL HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, PRETTY AS SOON AS WE CAN DO IT.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING ON AND ON AND ON.
SO IF, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS A DEJA VU OF SOMETHING THAT I HAVE HEARD BEFORE, AT LEAST ONCE, IF NOT MORE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU SAID THERE IS A TIMELINE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA APPROXIMATELY WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN? NO, I DO NOT.
BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HARD IF, IF WE'RE ASKED, IT'S HARD FOR US TO EXPLAIN IT.
IT SEEMS, AND AND I'M NOT ACCUSING YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE IN PARTICULAR, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MAJOR FOOT DRAFT, UH, DRAGGING GOING ON, AND THAT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN ON THE NATIONAL STAGE.
AND IT'S DISHEARTENING IF ANYONE IS PUTTING THAT NARRATIVE OUT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THIS CASE.
UM, I, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF NOT ONLY YOURSELF, BUT ALSO THE BOARD.
UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS AS SOON AS YOU CAN SEND ME THE CHAPTER, UH, IN THE 500 SERIES OF WHAT THIS PROCESS IS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE THAT SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE, WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THIS PROCESS, UH, SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT ELSE IS COMING THROUGH.
AND THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING.
THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, NEW BOARD MEMBERS HERE, AND I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE DON'T INTERRUPT PUBLIC SERVANTS WHEN THEY'RE TRYING IN GOOD FAITH TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.
AND SO I WOULD ASK PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO AUTHORITY ON THIS BOARD, TO PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S, I KNOW EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, HAS THEIR OWN PERSONAL OPINION ON WHAT THEY THINK IS GOING ON HERE, BUT MAKE YOURSELF MAKE, AS SOON AS WE GET THIS CHAPTER OF THE GENERAL ORDERS, READ IT, MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IT SO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT BECAUSE IT CAN SEEM RIGHT, PERCEPTION IS REALITY A LOT OF TIMES.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OPERATING WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE CORRECT KNOWLEDGE BASE, RIGHT.
UM, UH, MAJOR ALANISE WOULD, YES.
WOULD, UM, SOME INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC HELP THE PROCESS? NO, MA'AM.
JUST ASKING, UH, MR. CHAIR, UM, THE JONATHAN MAPLES HERE, I, UM, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THOSE GENERAL ORDERS.
AS, AS A SERVICEMAN, I UNDERSTAND GENERAL ORDERS AND I UNDERSTAND THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THE FLOW.
IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND SOMETHING THAT TAKES, THAT'S TAKING SO LONG, BECAUSE EVEN IN MY WORKPLACE, THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.
BUT AS A, AS A COMMISSIONER ON THIS BOARD, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE FIND RELIEF FOR THE CITIZENS WHO COME BEFORE US SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE RESULTS THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT THAT WAY.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOLORES PHILLIPS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD AND SHE'S STILL NOT GETTING ANY RELIEF.
WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD GO ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND IN THE CIRCLE ABOUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS, BUT THAT'S THE END RESULT.
WE WANT TO HELP THE COMMUNITY GET THE RELIEF THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR
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IN, IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR IAD ON ITEM TWO A? UH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
SO FIRST, UH, MAJOR ALANIS, I, I WANNA KNOW IF, IF THERE'S, UH, IF ALONG WITH THE GENERAL ORDERS, COULD WE ACTUALLY GET SOME TYPE OF OVERVIEW OF THE OPERATING PROCEDURE ON HOW THIS FLOWS? LIKE THE, THE WORKFLOW OF THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS OF IADI MEAN, I'M SURE WITHIN OUR POLI POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE IS SOME TYPE OF FLOW CHART THAT EXPLAINS THIS IN A VISUAL WAY, ALONG WITH THE GENERAL ORDERS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO.
UM, BEING SOMEBODY WHO FOR YEARS HAS WORKED ON, LIKE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY FOR DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS HARD FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE A WINDOW IN UNDERSTANDING INTO THAT INFORMATION AS IT IS FOR A REGULAR CITIZEN.
AND SO, UM, CAN WE GET THAT AS WELL? IS THERE SOMETHING, SOME TYPE OF ARTIFACT OR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, UH, FROM YOUR FILES THAT YOU CAN GET US AS WELL? UM, THE SECOND ONE IS, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME FOR, UH, FOR IAD INVESTIGATIONS? I WAS UNDER IMPRESSION AT ONE POINT IN TIME UNDER, UH, A PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT THERE WAS A TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND SO I'M WONDERING, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME? YES.
SO IT'S ABOUT 45 DAYS, BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DETECTIVE THAT IS WORKING THE CASE.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DETECTIVE THAT WORKED THIS CASE, HE'S WORKING UNDER THAT TIMELINE OF THE 45 DAYS TO CONTACT ALL HIS WITNESSES, REVIEW ALL THE EVIDENCE, AND PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT HAS TO, UM, PASS THAT 45 DAYS, THAT'S WHERE THAT INTERNAL DIALOGUE HAPPENS HERE WITH HIS CHAIN OF COMMAND ON WHY HE'S NEEDING AN EXTENSION ON HIS CASE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS THE CASE WITH THIS.
I BELIEVE HE FINISHED IT PRIOR TO THAT.
UM, DID, WERE WE ABLE TO REVIEW ALL THE BODY CAM, UH, BODY WOR, UH, VIDEO FOR ALL THE OFFICERS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN IN THE, IN THE INCIDENT? IS, IS THAT QUESTION FOR ME? YES.
I I DID NOT, UH, THE MONITOR IS THE ONE THAT PRESENTS TO THE BOARD, SO WHATEVER THE MONITOR PROVIDED, I, I, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT WAS NOT COMMUNICATED TO ME, SO I CANNOT ANSWER THAT.
WELL, I GUESS I'LL DIRECT MY QUESTION AND DIRECT THE CHANDLER ME AND I WAS NOT, UM, PART OF CPO, UH, WHEN THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED.
UM, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT PRIOR MEETINGS TO SEE IF ALL THE BODY CAMS WERE PRESENTED DURING THAT MEETING.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE TWO OFFICERS, UM, FROM WHAT I RECALL IN, UH, REVIEWING THAT VIDEO PREVIOUSLY, I HAVE VIEWED THE, UH, MEETING AS IN ATTENDEE, NOT AS A PARTICIPANT.
UM, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AND LET YOU KNOW.
MADAM DIRECTOR, IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL VIDEO, WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO US? THAT VIDEO IF RELEASED? UM, I WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO YOU, AND IF NOT, THEN I'LL WORK TOWARD THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM TWO? A? SEEING NONE.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO B, WHICH WAS THE MEMO TO CHIEF GARCIA FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ON GENERAL ORDER 5 0 5 0.01.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT IS ALSO IN THE, UM, BOOK, I BELIEVE UNDER TAB TWO, TWO B.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE WRITEUP WAS, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS.
UM, WHEN WAS IT SENT? DECEMBER OH FIFTH.
HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE? NOT YET.
CHAIR RES, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS THAT WE GET NOTHING BACK.
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I, I BELIEVE WE NEED MORE PUBLIC INPUT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE PERSON THAT APPOINTED ME TO THIS BOARD AND THE PEOPLE THAT THE CONSTITUENTS THAT SHE REPRESENTS WOULD HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GETTING NOTHING BACK.MR. CHAIRMAN, IT APPEARS THAT THIS LETTER WAS SENT AUGUST 5TH.
THIS MEMO, THIS MEMO WAS SENT DECEMBER 4TH.
SO HE HE'S GOT IT, IT'S WITH HIS STAFF.
THAT'LL BE ONE OF OUR FOLLOW UPS DURING OUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE CHIEF.
UM, MR. CHAIR, DIDN'T WE VOTE TO SEND THAT MORE THAN A MONTH AGO? WE DID, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THE TRANSITION WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD CHAIR AND THE FORMER DIRECTOR, UM, NOT BEING REAPPOINTED THAT FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS SUBMITTED.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING FORMALLY, SUBMITTING EVERYTHING IN WRITING THAT WAY, THAT WAY WE CAN FOLLOW UP.
AND THAT WAY WE'VE GOT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE ARE REQUESTS BEING MADE.
SO IT'S BEEN EIGHT DAYS ROUGHLY.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT SENDING A COPY OF THIS RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
I THINK THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE'VE ASKED.
AND WE, SO YEAH, WE PROBABLY SHOULD.
CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE SEND A COPY OF IT TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS? CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS? THEY MET YESTERDAY.
JUDGE LANDER, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
ALRIGHT, GIMME ONE SECOND TO BRAVO.
SO THE MOTION IS TO, UH, FORWARD A COPY OF ITEM TWO B TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
UM, MOTION MADE BY DISTRICT 12 AND SECONDED BY DISTRICT EIGHT.
I, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONTEXT FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE, WITH THE MEMO, UM, EXPLAINING, YOU KNOW, UM, THE INTENTION BEHIND IT AS WELL AS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I REACHED OUT TO THE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND ASKED FOR A FIVE, 10 MINUTE COURTESY CALL.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
I'VE NOT HEARD BACK FROM HER OFFICE YET, BUT, UM, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO DISCUSS THAT.
OTHERWISE, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE, THE MEETING ITSELF NEXT MONTH.
THE, THE OTHER SUGGESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD GET SOME TIME YEAH.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? YES.
WHO IS THE CHAIR? UM, CHAIR MENON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, ON ITEM TWO B CALL FOR THE QUESTION ON MOTION? NONE.
WE WILL SEND A COPY TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
UM, ARE WE, ARE WE REPORTING REGULARLY TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE? NO, WE DO NOT.
AND WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IN THE PAST EITHER, BUT IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD START DOING.
UM, WE NEED, I BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BETTER WINDOW INTO WHAT THIS BOARD IS AND IS NOT IN THE, DOING THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HAVING, UH, WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I THINK THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE IS THE PERFECT WAY TO, TO DO THAT, TO START THAT CONVERSATION.
IF THERE'S NO, SO WE VOTED ON THAT.
UH, ITEM TWO C IS THE MEMO TO THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING THE, UH, TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL.
UM, WHICH IN THE ORDINANCE IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY MANAGER AND THE OCPO TO CHOOSE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT ARE
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NOT PART OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, THAT ARE OUTSIDE TO SERVE ON THIS RESOURCE PANEL.SO THAT MEMO WAS SENT, THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S TO CHARLIE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT? SO THIS, I'M SORRY, ALLISON GRANTOR.
THIS WOULD BE A POLICE OFFICER, BUT AN OUTSIDE POLICE OFFICER THAT WOULD HELP US SORT OF DECODE THE FANCY LAW ENFORCEMENT TALK? IT COULD BE, YES.
AND I DID WANT TO STATE THAT THIS MEMO WAS SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND ACKNOWLEDGED BY HIS OFFICE, AND THE PROCESS HAS STARTED.
IS THIS A PAID POSITION? NO, WE WOULD NEED A VOLUNTEER.
UM, BUT THEY'LL, UH, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS ON WHO CAN SERVE AND WHAT AND, UM, WHAT THEIR, UM, WHO CAN SERVE AND THEN WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE OR IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO I GUESS WHY DO WE NEED, UM, THE CITY MANAGER'S HELP FINDING ONE OF THESE VOLUNTEERS? WOULD THEY KNOW, WOULD THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE KNOW OUTSIDE POLICE OFFICERS MORE THAN WE WOULD? OR LIKE HOW DO WE IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ASK FOR THEM TO THE GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
AND THE DIRECTOR IS, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR APPOINTING.
IT JUST STATES THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE.
IT DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON IT AS TO WHY.
BUT WE CAN SUGGEST SOME IF MAYBE WE KNOW PEOPLE YOU CAN.
WHEN YOU SAY OUTSIDE OFFICERS, YOU MEAN NON DBD? CORRECT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT.
AND FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME, AND WHEN WE WERE THE, UH, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE OTHER BOARD.
UM, THIS IS A POLICE REVIEW, CITIZENS POLICE REVIEW, RIGHT.
THE CITIZENS POLICE REVIEW BOARD.
UM, WE HAD, UM, OFFICERS FROM ARLINGTON AND I BELIEVE FORT WORTH, AND THEY ATTENDED EACH AND, AND THEY WERE HELPFUL, UM, BECAUSE THEY COULD AT LEAST SAY WHAT THEIR POLICY WAS.
NOW THEY COULDN'T SAY WHAT DALLAS'S POLICY WAS, BUT IF WE HAD A TECHNICAL QUESTION, WE COULD GO TO THEM AND THEY COULD AT LEAST ANSWER AND BREAK IT DOWN.
YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BACK THE BLUE NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT, BUT AT LEAST THEY CAN CLEAR UP SOME, SOME QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TWO C? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS AND BRIEFINGS.
WE HAVE A REPORT ON THE NOVEMBER 16TH, 2023 OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, UM, DIRECTOR.
UH, DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, THERE WAS ONE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO INVESTIGATE.
THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED ON NOVEMBER THE 23RD, UM, ON THE 9,000 BLOCK OF A DELTA BOULEVARD.
THIS IS THE 11TH OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, UM, INVOLVING DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS FOR 2023 ON NOVER.
NOVEMBER 16TH, 2023 AT APPROXIMATELY 6:05 AM US MARSHALS OF NORTH TEXAS FUGITIVE TASK FORCE SERVED A CAPITAL MOR, UH, I'M SORRY, MURDER ARREST WARRANT FOR JORDAN OWENS.
THE TASK FORCE BEGAN MAKING THEIR PRESENCE KNOWN BY KNOCKING AND MOVING TOWARD THE INDIVIDUAL WITH THE INTENT TO SERVE THE WARRANT AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
OFFICERS BREACHED THE DOOR AFTER THE SUSPECT WILLINGLY REFUSED.
ONCE THE DOOR WAS OPEN, THE SUSPECT FIRED SEVERAL ROUNDS.
STRIKING SENIOR CORPORAL EDGAR MORALES AND THE LEFT CATH.
SENIOR CORPORAL MORALES RETURNED WITH FIRE OF HIS RIFLE.
FIRST AID WAS ADMINISTERED TO SENIOR CORPORAL MORALES OFFICERS GAVE VERBAL WARNINGS OR COMMANDS TO THE SUSPECT.
UM, THE SUSPECT CONTINUED TO WAVE HIS WEAPON AND THREATENED TO SHOOT OFFICERS.
AT 6:15 AM OFFICER BARNES NELSON FIRED THREE ROUNDS FROM HIS RIFLE AT THE ARMED SUSPECT.
THE SUSPECT CONTINUED TO BE NON-COMPLIANT.
A FEMALE OCCUPANT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX CALLED 9 1 1 AND OFFICE, AND NOTIFIED THE OPERATOR THAT THEY WERE OTHER OCCU.
THAT THERE WERE OTHER OCCUPANTS INSIDE OF THE APARTMENT AND THE SUSPECT WAS INJURED.
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THE TASK FORCE, UH, THEN EVACUATED THE OCCUPANTS AND CHALLENGED THE SUSPECT IN THE LIVING ROOM OF THE APARTMENT.UM, WHERE HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY, FIRST AID WAS ADMINISTERED TO THE SUSPECT.
HE WAS TRANSPORTED TO PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL BY DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.
MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU CUE THE VIDEO PLEASE? IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH FAT LOSS, HIGH, HIGH BLOOD SUGAR, I CAN RESPOND TO THE SCENE.
IN AN EFFORT TO BE TRANSPARENT, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RELEASING SURVEILLANCE VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT.
APARTMENT 22, OPEN THE DOOR, GOT A WARRANT.
LIGHTS ON YOUR, YOUR LIGHTS FROM THE CAR JUST SHINING THROUGH THE OPEN THE DOOR.
OPEN THE DOOR OR IT'S COMING DOWN.
WHICH ONE? YEAH, JUST TURN, TURN YOUR RED AND BLUE ON.
THEY'RE YOU HANDS YOUR WARRANT.
I WANNA HANDS WHEN THIS DOOR COME ON.
HEY, ANYBODY? EVERYBODY GOOD? EVERYBODY GOOD? MY LEG.
YOU GOOD, EDGAR? HEY, CHANNEL TWO.
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GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GO.I DIDN'T GET ALL THE, NO, THAT'S ME.
IS THAT THE GUN? NO, I, HE WAS UP ON THE DECK.
I SHOT, BUT I THINK I MISSED SOMEBODY IN THE WINDOW.
THAT MOVEMENT AT THE DOOR, WE'RE INTO A FEMALE AND A MALE.
I CAN'T TELL ABOUT THE SECOND ONE'S.
AND THEN A SOMEBODY IN A WHITE JUMPSUIT.
SOON AS THEY GET OUT, THEY'RE ON THE STAIRS.
YOU BACK UP ON DOOR? YEAH, I'M ON THE DOOR.
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UP.WALK THIS WAY, WAY TO THE, TO THE BACK.
JUST KEEP CONTROLLING YOUR BREATHING.
I CAN'T SEE THE OTHER, I CAN'T SEE THE OTHER HAND.
HEY, I'M GONNA GO D YOU GO STRAIGHT TO HIM.
YOU CAN LET GET YOU, IT IS CLEAR.
YOU? YEAH, I JUST DID THE CLAUSE.
WE GOOD? HEY, DON'T, DON'T DO THAT.
THEY GONNA MAKE YOU TAKE IT OFF.
SO THEY, WHERE'S THE, UH, GET THE BAG.
THERE'S TWO PEOPLE IN THE CLOSET AND THEY HAVE THE HOUSE SURROUNDED AND THE POLICE.
THEY, THEY HAD THE HOUSE SURROUNDED, BUT THE SUSPECT IS IN THE HOUSE SHOOTING OUTSIDE AT THE POLICE.
BUT IT'S TWO OTHER PEOPLE IN HERE.
AND I DON'T WANT THE POLICE TO SHOOT BACK.
WE'RE JU WE'RE, WE'RE INNOCENT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO WERE IN THE ARE, ARE YOU? WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.
IS THIS A HOUSE OR AN APARTMENT? MA'AM, THIS IS THE APARTMENT, THE HOUSE.
WHAT DOOR NUMBER ARE YOU AT? IT'S 1222.
HE IS LITERALLY SHOOTING AT THE POLICE.
THEY'RE SHOOTING, THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IN HERE.
THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IN HERE.
THEY JUST THINK IT'S HIM IN HERE.
THAT'S EMERSON APARTMENTS? YES.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET HURT OR ANYTHING.
WE WERE IN SLEEP AND THE POLICE CAME AND KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND THEN ESCALATED FROM THERE.
SO NOW WE'RE JUST IN THE CLOSET LAYING DOWN.
OKAY? JUST HOLD ON MY F*****G GOD.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT POLICE IT IS THAT'S SHOOTING? WHO'S NO, THE STUFF THE DALLAS POLICE.
HE'S SHOOTING, HE'S SHOOTING AT THEM.
WHO IS HE? WHAT'S HIS NAME? OH MY GOD.
WHAT'S HIS NAME, MA'AM? THEY'RE OH MY F*****G GOD.
WHAT YOU'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE SHOOTING BACK.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET HURT.
DO YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE PERSON THAT'S IN THE APARTMENT WITH YOU? NO.
HOW IS HE, HOW IS HE IN THE APARTMENT? Y'ALL DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS? OH MY GOD.
CAN WE ANSWER LIKE, ALL THESE QUESTIONS WHEN THIS S**T IS OVER? NO MA'AM.
I NEED TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.
NO, WE DON'T KNOW THE LAST NAME.
PRESS THE F*****G FIGHT FOR US, MA'AM.
ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND COME TO THE LIKE FRONT DOOR? UH, YES, BUT I GOTTA PUT MY CLOTHES ON.
WELL GO AHEAD AND PUT YOUR CLOTHES ON.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU LETTING THEM KNOW? ARE YOU LIKE LETTING THEM KNOW? YES MA'AM.
I'M GONNA LET THEM KNOW BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET SHOT HERE.
DO WE KNOW IF THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE HALL ARE OKAY? 'CAUSE I, YEAH,
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THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF THE VIDEO.SO IT SAYS THAT THE OFFICE WAS NOTIFIED AND RESPONDED.
DID WE SEND SOMEBODY TO THE SCENE? YES.
ARE THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE HALL.
UM, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY REPORTS THAT THERE WERE ANY OTHER INJURIES OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT WERE, UM, READ OUT IN THIS REPORT WHO WENT TO THE SCENE FOR THE OFFICE? UH, JAMES GRIFFIN DID.
UM, SO IN LOOKING AT THE, UH, BODY CAM, WE HAD ABOUT A 15 MINUTE BREAK BETWEEN THE TIME IT SHOWED, 'CAUSE THE BODY CAM SHOWS THE TIME THE SIX 19 WHEN HE'S USING PROFANE LANGUAGE.
AND, UM, THAT PHONE CALL CAME IN AT 6:29 AM AND, AND THEN AT 6 29 THE OFFICERS WERE EVACUATING THE OCCUPANTS.
IT SAYS, AND THEN FIRST AID, WHEN WE FINALLY GET TO THE BODY CAMERA THAT SHOWS FIRST AID BEING ADMINISTERED, IT'S 6 42.
SO FROM 6 29 TO 6 42, WHAT HAPPENED? I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY BODY CAM.
CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? INTERIM DIRECTOR, DID YOU REVIEW IT? I'VE REVIEWED THE VIDEO.
UM, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT OCCURRED DURING THAT, UM, THOSE MOMENTS OTHER THAN THEY WERE EVACUATING THE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE IN THE HOME IS WHAT I SAW.
AND, UM, AND THEN THEY HAD TO BREACH THE APARTMENT, UM, AFTERWARD.
AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT TIME OR WHO, UH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO REVIEW TO SEE WHO ACTUALLY ADMINISTERED.
UM, DID IT SAY THAT THE, UM, FIRE WAS ON SITE TO ADMINISTER THE FIRST AID? NO, IT DOES NOT SAY WHO ADMINISTERED THE FIRST AID.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, WHY WHEN THIS WAS RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.
'CAUSE THIS PUBLIC VIDEO THAT DPD RELEASED, WHY THEY DON'T SHOW ANYTHING OR SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT TRANSPIRED BETWEEN 6 29 AND SIX 40, BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE, AND THEN THE END OF IT WAS 6 43.
I UNDERSTAND THEY WERE TRYING TO ADMINISTER FIRST AID FOR THREE MINUTES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT TRANSPIRED IN THE MIDDLE AND WHY WE DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT VIDEO.
THAT IS THE VIDEO THAT DPD PUT TOGETHER, AND SO WE COULD INQUIRE ABOUT THAT.
I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF THEY SHOWED BECAUSE IT WAS SNIPPETS OF VIDEOS, IF IT SHOWED WHEN CPR FIRST INITIATED OR IF THAT WAS A PORTION.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S A VALID QUESTION THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE ASKED.
YEAH, THE, THE WAY IT'S WORKED IN THE PAST IS WHEN WE'RE GIVEN VIDEO, WE USUALLY GET TO SEE MORE VIDEO THAN RELEASED IN A PUBLIC.
ON THE DPD WEBSITE, WE USUALLY SEE MORE.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT TIMEFRAME ACCOUNTED FOR.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DIRECTOR AS WELL.
UM, WHO WROTE THE SUMMARY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? AND HAVE YOU OR HAS ANYBODY IN THE OFFICE REVIEWED THE UNCUT BODY CAM? THAT'S NOT THE DPD SNIPPETS VERSION? UH, THIS WAS DRAFTED BY, UM, AN ASSISTANT THAT WAS IN OUR OFFICE, BUT IT WAS BASED OFF OF THE REPORT THAT WAS DRAFTED BY DPD.
WHICH ASSISTANT? UM, SOMEONE THAT'S OUR, UH, A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE THAT WAS IN OUR OFFICE.
BUT THAT IS NO LONGER IN THE OFFICE? CORRECT.
AND HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE UNCUT FOOTAGE? NO.
DIRECTOR, COULD YOU REQUEST THE UNCUT FOOTAGE FOR ALL FROM ALL THE CAMERAS AVAILABLE? YES, I CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, JAMES GRIFFIN.
WHAT TIME DID WE GET TO THE SCENE? WHEN I, I GOT, I, I WAS NOTIFIED, UH, SHORTLY BEFORE, UH, SEVEN, AROUND 7 55 ON MY WAY INTO WORK.
ELAINE CALLED ME AND ASKED ME IF I WOULD
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GO OUT TO THE SCENE AND I ARRIVED A FEW MINUTES LATER AFTER THAT AND I WAS ON SCENE.AND THEN I ALSO PARTICIPATED IN THE WALKTHROUGH OF THE SCENE WITH IAD AND THE, AND, UH, O-S-I-O-O-O-I-S OR, OR THE REST OF THE TEAM THERE.
SO I, SO I WAS THERE FOR THE WALK THROUGH THE SHOOTING AND THEN OF THE AREA AND, AND THAT WAS, I GOT THERE A, A FEW MINUTES AFTER EIGHT IN THE MORNING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THREE A DIRECTOR? UM, AT WHAT TIME DID THEY NOTIFY YOU OF THE SHOOTING? UH, I WOULD'VE TO GO BACK TO SEE WHAT TIME I WAS CONTACTED, BUT OUR OFFICE WAS IN CHICAGO AT THE TIME, AT THE NICOLE CONFERENCE AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THREE A? SEEING NONE.
UH, THIS WILL BE PRESENTED BY MR. GRIFFIN.
UM, THERE WERE FIVE APPEALS, UM, THAT WERE FILED WITH THE OFFICE.
AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL STEP THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM.
UM, I THINK MR. GRIFFIN HAS, UH, HAS VIDEO FOR SOME, UM, BUT HE'LL, HE'LL PROVIDE A, A BACKGROUND ON WHAT ALL THESE ARE ABOUT AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
BUT WE'LL DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY.
SO THE, SO THE FIRST REQUEST REVIEW SUMMARY ON JANUARY 14TH, CARLOS DAVIS, CORPORAL TROY AND OFFICER AT THE NORTHWESTERN SUBSTATION FILED REPORT FOR ON MARCH THE 27TH, DAVIS FILED ALL ALLEGING THAT HE HAD BEEN PRO BY PROFILE BECAUSE HIS REPORT WAS INCORRECT.
OFFICER OANA INITIALLY SPOKE WITH MR. DAVIS AT THE FRONT DESK OF THE STATION WITH SENIOR CORPORAL TROY AT HIS DESK IN THE BACKGROUND, OBSERVING THE COMPENSATION.
SENIOR CORPORAL TROY COMPLETED AN OFFENSIVE REPORT FOR THE HIT AND RUN AND OFFICER COMPLETED A MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH.
CORPORAL ENTERED INCORRECTLY LISTED THE AMOUNT OF THE VEHICLE IN THE INITIAL REPORT, WHICH WAS CORRECTED WITH A SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT.
OFFICER ANA WAS THE ONE WHO WENT OUTSIDE AND VIEWED THE CAR DAMAGE AND HE COMPLETED VEHICLE REPORT ON OCTOBER THE 19TH.
MR. DAVIS RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE AFFAIRS, HE TELLING THE OUTCOME OF THE COMPLAINT AND WHICH THEY NOTED THAT THERE HAD BEEN NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL RULES.
MR. DAVIS THEN FILED A CITIZEN REVIEW REQUEST, WHAT OCPO TO HAVE THIS CASE REVIEW THE BOARD.
I HAVE PREPARED, UH, TWO CLIPS OF VIDEO OF THE, UM, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE OFFICER CORRECT THE DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE AND A CLIP OF MR. DAVIS FILING HIS REPORT, UH, AT THE AND MS. WILLIAMS, WHEN YOU, UH, PLAY, UH, DAVIS'S CLIP ONE, MR. WILLIAMS, MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU PLAY, UH, DAVIS' CLIP ONE?
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE NOTES THAT I HAVE THAT, UH, ATTACHED TO THE BOARD.
MR. GRIFFIN IS IN THE MR. GRIFFIN? YES MA'AM.
UM, IN THE FUTURE, COULD YOU INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL REPORT? THE ORIGINAL REPORT COMPLAINT? YES MA'AM.
I'M GONNA GO BACK UP THERE AND SEE.
I KNOW THE, GOT A GUY ON SEE IF HE GOT SOME ON TAPE.
SO YOU SAID STEM TRAIL, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY? THE CHEVRON? YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE CHEVRON RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, UH, IHOP.
YOU MEAN THE WAFFLE HOUSE? IHOP.
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OKAY, I GET YOU.SO, UM, YEAH, YOU JUST PASSED, GO THE OTHER WAY, RIGHT? SO YOU WERE INSIDE THE GAS STATION? I WAS INSIDE THE GAS STATION.
I'M AT THAT GAS PUMP RIGHT THERE.
AND YEAH, I'M AT THAT GAS PUMP WHERE THE TRUCK'S AT AND THE GUY JUST BACKED UP AND HIT ME AND HE SPIN AROUND.
HE BACKED UP RIGHT THERE, HIT MY CAR, THEN HE MADE LEFT, JUMPED ON OFF WEST HIGHWAY AND CAME UP AND I TRIED TO KILL HIM, BUT I LOST IT.
NOW LET ME, LET'S SEE WHAT THE ADDRESS IS FOR THAT CHEVRON
YOU GO OUT AHEAD AND MAKE ANOTHER FLIGHT AND GO ON THE BRIDGE.
ALRIGHT SIR, LET'S, UH, I'M GONNA GO OUTSIDE AND SEE WHERE, UH, WHERE EXACTLY IT HIT MR. WILLIAMS. CAN YOU PLAY, UH, THE CLIP TOO FOR MR. DAVIS? THIS IS WHERE HE HIT YOUR CAR, SIR.
WHEN YOU GOTTA, Y'ALL GOING THEY, OKAY, SO THAT WAS THE CLIP THAT SHOWED THE, THAT WAS THE CLIP THAT SHOWED THIS, THE INITIAL DAMAGE OF THE COM OF THE, THE, OF THE ACCIDENT THAT HE WAS THERE TO REPORT.
AND THEN WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO THE MS. CHAIRMAN FOR A DISCUSSION AND THE VOTE CAN I HAVE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? EXCUSE ME.
ALRIGHT, MR. GRIFFIN, UM, SO WE'RE REVIEWING A REPORT ON A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT OR NOT EVEN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HIT AND RUN AT A GAS STATION? THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS.
AND THEN THE, THE COMPLAINT WAS THAT THE OFFICER GOT THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE WRONG IN THE REPORT AND THEN HE FILED A COMPLAINT STATING THAT HE FELT HE WAS BEING RACIALLY PROFILED BECAUSE THE COMPLAINT WAS, THE REPORT WAS INCORRECT.
AND I, AND, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY NOTIFIED THE OFFICER AND THEY MADE A SUPPLEMENT CORRECTING THE REPORT AND THEN SAID THAT, BUT, AND THEN THAT WAS THE OUTCOME AND THEN HE FILED A COMPLAINT WITH US TO REVIEW IT BECAUSE HE WAS DISSATISFIED WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR OUTCOME WHEN THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS NO, UH, DEPARTMENTAL RULES OR VIOLATIONS THAT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED.
AND TO CLARIFY, WHAT HE DEEMED AS BEING INCORRECT WAS THAT ONE OFFICER VALUED THE DAMAGE AT 501 OTHER OFFICER VALUED THE DAMAGE AT A THOUSAND.
IS THAT CORRECT? I, I BELIEVE SO.
THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY AS TO THE AMOUNT OF THE DAMAGE IN THE REPORT.
OUR, OUR, OUR OFFICERS TRAINED INSURANCE ADJUSTERS.
I MEAN, DO, DO THEY KNOW NO, WHAT A, WHAT A BUMPER COSTS ON A, ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A CHEVROLET IMPALA OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
AND, AND I AND I MAYBE THE, MAYBE MAYBE HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT AS WELL, BUT DID, BUT SO HE, HE COMPLAINT 'CAUSE IT WAS WRONG AND THEY CORRECTED THE REPORT SURE.
AND THEN AFTERWARDS, BUT THEN HE FILED THE COMPLAINT AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE OKAY.
UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING THREE B ONE ON THE DAVIS ISSUE? I HAVE A A QUICK QUESTION.
THE VALUATION THAT THE OFFICER DID ON THE CAR WAS, I, IT STRIKES ME THAT AN OFFICER WOULD DO A VALUATION LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE VALUE SCALE MAKES
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A DIFFERENCE FOR WHAT KIND OF CRIME THE HIT AND RUN IS.BUT IT'S NOT INSURANCE RELATED.
AND I, AND I THINK THE PART OF THE CONFUSION WAS THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO REPORTS THAT WERE DONE, WHEREAS THERE WAS ONE THAT THE OFFENSE REPORT, WHICH WAS DONE BY THE SENIOR CORPORAL CHOI, I BELIEVE, AND HE DONE THE OFFENSE REPORT WHEREIN THAT DETERMINES WHAT THE OFFENSE WAS.
IF THEY FOUND, FOUND THE, THE PERSON THAT IF THEY TO CHARGE SOMEONE WITH A HIT AND RUN THAT THAT WAS VALUED AT ONE THING.
AND THEN THE OTHER OFFICER DONE THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH REPORT AND HE WENT OUT THERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT REPORTS DONE BY TWO DIFFERENT OFFICERS.
ALSO, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT A A, AN ACCIDENT CAUSING DAMAGE OF AT LEAST $500 IS GONNA, IS GONNA MAKE IT ONE TYPE OF CRIME.
SO THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE WHY THE OFFENSE, WHY THE OFFENSE REPORT WOULD SAY 500, WHEREAS THE, I MEAN, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT TO BE CORRECT, BUT, UM, I MAYBE SOMEONE FROM DPD WOULD BE BETTER ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF SOMEONE, UM, I I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA SLOW THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR, FOR MY, FOR MY MIND.
SO HE WAS AT THE GAS STATION ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY ACROSS FROM THE IHOP IS WHAT HE SAID.
I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL AT THE BACK OF MY HAND IS WHERE I GREW UP.
BUT SOMEONE BACKED INTO HIM, HE JUMPED IN THE CAR, HE TRIED TO CHASE HIM AND THEN HE GOES BACK TO THE GAS STATION AND CALLS THE POLICE.
NO, HE WENT TO THE, HE DROVE DIRECTLY TO THE NORTHWEST.
HE DROVE STRAIGHT TO THE NORTHWEST STATION RIGHT UP, WHICH IS LITERALLY RIGHT UP THE STREET.
AND SO AN OFFICER CAME OUT AND WROTE A REPORT.
AND SO WHILE HE WAS STANDING THERE, HE WAS LIKE, NAH, NAH, NAH, THIS REPORT'S NOT FAIR.
I'M GONNA GO BACK IN AND ASK SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME OUT AND WRITE ANOTHER REPORT.
UH, THERE WAS BEHIND, ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS IN THE BACKGROUND BEHIND OBSERVING.
I DIDN'T SEE, HE WROTE THE OFFENSE REPORT.
AND THEN THE ONE OFFICER THAT, THAT HE WAS SPEAKING TO WENT OUT AND SAW AND DID THE DAMAGE, UH, FOR AND, AND HE'S THE ONE THAT DID THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH REPORT AND THE, THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE BACK, HE'S THE ONE WHO WROTE THE, UH, THE OTHER REPORT.
SO WE GOT TWO OFFICERS STANDING OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE NORTHWEST STATION TALKING TO A GUY ABOUT HIS DAMAGED VEHICLE? NO, NO.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE BOTH INSIDE THE STATION AND HE CAME IN TO MAKE THE COMPLAINT AT THE DESK.
AND THAT'S WHERE BOTH OF THEM WERE AND THEN THE YES.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE OUT, OR DID THEY GO OUT AT THE SAME TIME? NO ONE WENT OUT.
AND WHERE, WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH THIS IS, IS IF THEY WERE BOTH THERE AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WEREN'T TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THERE WAS ALSO AN ALLEGATION OF RACIAL PROFILING THOUGH.
DID YOU SEE ANYTHING ON THE TAPE THAT WOULD I I DID NOT.
I, I DID NOT SEE ANY RACIAL PROFILING, UH, AS TO MY, BUT AGAIN, I, I I, I CAN'T SPEAK AS FAR.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WERE INSIDE THEIR THOUGHTS OR HEADS, BUT FROM MY, THERE WAS NOTHING OBVIOUS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME.
AND YOU WATCHED THE ON A BRIDGE TAPE? YES, I DID.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, JUDGE LAND, I, I'M SORRY.
I I I, I'M LISTENING TO THIS AND, AND I, I, I HOPE WE'RE NOT TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, MAKING COMPLAINTS OR CRITICAL OF POLICE OFFICERS FOR MAKING A MISTAKE ON THE VALUE OF DAMAGE TO A CAR.
THAT THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE SO ABSOLUTELY SO OVER THE TOP, UH, THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE, UH, DEALING WITH IT.
UH, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE NOT DO AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS.
UM, IS THERE ANY TAPE ANYWHERE IN WHICH WORDS WERE SAID OR THINGS WERE DONE TO THIS INDIVIDUAL WHICH COULD IN ANY RESPECT BE CONSIDERED RACIAL PROFILING? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I WATCHED THE ENTIRETY OF THE, OF THE, OF THE VIDEO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND FROM WHAT I SAW, THERE WAS NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE OR UNPROFESSIONAL FROM, FROM MY, FROM WATCHING THE TAPE AS, AS I'M BIASED AS I CAN BE.
I'M WATCHING AND I SAW NOTHING.
SO THE SOLE ISSUE IS THIS GENTLEMAN SAYS THAT BECAUSE ONE OFFICER SAID IT WAS 500 AND ANOTHER ONE SAID IT WAS A THOUSAND, THAT IT WAS RACIAL PROFILING.
THAT, THAT, THAT TO MY, THAT THAT IS MY ASSESSMENT.
SO MR. GRIFFIN, I'M REAL CONFUSED 'CAUSE YOU'RE GIVING US A LOT MORE DETAIL THAN IS IN THIS LITTLE TYPED UP PAGE AND WE'RE USED TO SEEING THE COMPLAINANTS REPORT AND THEN MORE VIDEO THAN WHAT
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WE GOT TONIGHT.SO MY CONFUSION IS IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS WAS SAYING THAT, UM, THEIR OFFICERS WERE LESS THAN POLITE.
THERE WAS SOME ISSUE WITH POLITENESS TO THIS PERSON.
WAS IS THAT PART OF IT? NO, MA'AM.
SO WHY DID THEY SAY WE REGRET YOUR CONTACT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS LESS THAN SATISFACTORY? WHY WOULD THEY REGRET SOMETHING IF THERE WAS NO RACIAL PROFILING AND NO, UH, LESS THAN POLITE BEHAVIOR? I, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T, I DIDN'T, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
I THINK THAT'S IN EVERY LANGUAGE.
YEAH, THAT'S STANDARD LANGUAGE IN EVERY LANGUAGE.
THAT'S THEIR STANDARD, STANDARD LANGUAGE WHEN COMMUNICATING OUT.
BUT MAJOR LANIS MAY BE ABLE TO, UM, WE, WE SEE A LOT AND THEY DON'T APOLOGIZE UNLESS THEY JUST SAY THERE'S NO BASIS FOR, YOU KNOW, FURTHER ACTION.
WE FOUND NO BASIS FOR FURTHER ACTION.
THEY DON'T SAY WE REGRET IT WAS UNSATISFACTORY.
THAT'S NOT ORDINARY MA MAJOR ALANISE, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, FOR THEY OR OTHER LETTERS, I CAN SPEAK FOR OURS.
IF SOMEONE FELT ENOUGH TO COMPLAIN, WELL, WE DO REGRET THAT.
WHATEVER INTERACTION THAT THEY HAD, THEY FELT THAT IT WAS LESS THAN SATISFACTORY.
SO THAT IS OUR STANDARD LETTER, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE DO SEND OUT WHEN WE SEND OUT OUTSIDE CORRESPONDENCE.
UH, WHERE IS, WHERE ARE ALL THE REPORTS? THEY'RE USUALLY, WE USUALLY GET THE VIDEO, WE USUALLY GET ALL THE REPORTS.
THERE'S USUALLY 10 PAGES WITH EVERY ONE OF THESE.
UM, AND IN THIS BOOKLET, ALL WE HAVE ARE THE, THE OCPO SUMMARIES.
THAT INFORMATION IS NOT RELEASED.
WE DID NOT REQUEST FOR IT TO BE RELEASED.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE CAN MAKE THE REQUEST FROM DPD TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION RELEASED SO IT CAN BE PROVIDED.
BECAUSE UP UNTIL NOW, THAT'S THE, THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE.
WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THE REPORTS, EVERYTHING IS IN HERE.
SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
AND, AND, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT AND IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO SEE THE ACTUAL COMPLAINT THAT IS FILED BY THE INDIVIDUAL SO WE CAN KEEP A TRACK OF EXACTLY WHAT IT IS HE OR SHE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT.
SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INCLUDE THAT AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'D BE A PROBLEM AS, AS WELL AS THE, AS THE VIDEOS ALSO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION I ASKED BECAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK, WHAT DID I MISS IN NOVEMBER? BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SUMMARIES AND LITTLE BIT OF VIDEOS WHEN WE USED TO GET, YOU KNOW, MORE TO MAKE A, YOU KNOW, A DECENT DECISION ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
ARE YOU REQUESTING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FULL VIDEO MINUS CGI INFORMATION? YES.
BECAUSE SOME OF THESE VIDEOS, UM, ONE OF THE CASES THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT HAS NINE OR MORE VIDEOS WITH HOURS OF CONTENT.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR REQUEST AND THERE ARE SOME VIDEOS THAT WE PLAYED TONIGHT THAT I DO THINK COULD'VE WENT A LITTLE LONGER JUST TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, THE MORE CONTEXT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD SHOWN MORE CONTEXT, BUT PARTICULARLY THE VIDEO WOULD SHOW THE DAMAGE.
I THINK AT LEAST A FEW MORE MOMENTS WOULD'VE KIND OF SUMMARIZED IT BETTER.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR, UH, COMMENT, BUT I DO ALSO WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE THAT, AGAIN, SOME OF THE VIDEOS HAVE, IF WE LOOKED AT EVERY OFFICER THAT WAS PRESENT, IT COULD BE OVER EIGHT HOURS WORTH OF VIDEO.
WELL, WE, WE WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING AS, UH, COMMUNITY SERVANTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
AND I, I TAKE YOUR JUDGMENT, I TAKE THE CHAIRMAN'S JUDGMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TAPPED EACH ONE OF US BY OUR COUNCIL PERSON WHO'S REPRESENTING THE DISTRICT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
SO WE SHOULD DO THE RIGHT THING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE REPORT THAT YOU SEND OUT TO US GOES OUT BY FRIDAY.
SO WE HAVE THE WHOLE WEEKEND TO REVIEW ALL THOSE VIDEOS.
I MEAN, I'VE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M ALSO SEEING HERE IN THESE SUMMARY REPORTS IS NOT ALL OF THE NAMES FROM THE OFFICERS.
I'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT EARLIER THIS SUMMER IN 2019, THE, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT WOULD IDENTIFY COMPLAINTS BY OFFICER AND TRACK HOW MANY OFFICERS HAD REPEATED COMPLAINTS.
SO WHEN WE DON'T SEE THOSE NAMES, WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE OR ONE PERSON.
UM, ONE POLICE STATION, A DIFFERENT POLICE STATION, OVERNIGHT SHIFT, DAYTIME EARLY MORNING SHIFT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ISSUE IS.
SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO OVERSIGHT.
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OF THE THINGS VICE CHAIRMAN WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON.REMEMBER THAT TRAINING? THAT EARLY WARNING? YEAH.
IT'S EARLY CALLED EARLY WARNING.
AND I DUNNO THAT, I DUNNO THAT ANYTHING'S BEEN RELEASED ON THAT AT ALL.
WELL, THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, UM, WHEN THE POLICE CHIEF WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, HE HAD SAID THAT, UM, YES, IT WAS IN THE PROCESS OF GONNA BE UPLOADED, BUT THEY GOT IT IN 2019, AND THAT'S ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO.
WE NEED, WE NEED AN ANSWER ON THAT.
UM, I, AND I HOPE I DON'T OFFEND ANYONE, BUT UNLESS YOU ARE BLACK, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE IF THERE IS IMPLICIT BIAS OR JUST A RACIST ATTITUDE, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO SEE EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE WE, I DID NOT SEE IT HERE.
UM, BUT THEN AGAIN, I DID NOT SEE EVERYTHING.
IF WE ARE TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT, THEN WE NEED TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT, NOT JUST PARTIAL OR SELECTED STUFF.
EVEN IF IT TAKES HOURS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO SHARE WHAT IS RELEASED.
AND SO MOVING FORWARD, DULY NOTED, WE WILL, UH, WORK ON GETTING THOSE RELEASES TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
MAYBE NOT IN THE PUBLIC FORUM, BUT, UM, TO, UM, OUR PRIVATE FOLDER.
AND, AND JUST TO GO BACK, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING YOU THE QUESTION ABOUT IF THERE WERE TWO POLICE OFFICERS THERE, BECAUSE THEY BOTH HEARD THE SAME THING.
SO WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE INFORMATION IF WE KNOWN, HEY, THIS POLICE OFFICER HEARD HIM SAY THIS TO THAT POLICE OFFICER.
AND IT JUST, IT JUST HELPS WITH THE CLARITY OF IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN? NO, I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
DISTRICT 14, UM, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
I THINK ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR THINGS TO GO BACK TO THE WAY THEY WERE, WHICH IS THAT WE USED TO GET ALL THE VIDEOS, THEY WERE UPLOADED TO THE SHAREPOINT.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT EVERYTHING BE PRESENTED HERE IN THE MEETING.
THE, THE, THE SNIPPETS CAN BE PRESENTED HERE, BUT I USED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR THREE DAYS TO GO THROUGH ALL THE VIDEOS I WANTED TO ON THE SHAREPOINT OR WHATEVER SITE THAT WAS.
UM, SO EV ALL THE VIDEOS NEED TO BE UPLOADED THERE.
SO, AND HERE'S, UM, HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE.
UM, HEARING, HEARING EVERYONE'S COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE PUSHING THIS AGENDA ITEM TO NEXT MONTH, WHICH WILL GIVE EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW ALL OF THE VIDEOS AND ALL OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, UM, COMPLAINT FORMS. MR. CHAIR, UM, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH PUSHING THESE APPEALS TO THE NEXT MEETING IS I, I DON'T SEE CARLOS DAVIS HERE, WAS WERE EACH OF THE CITIZENS WHO MADE THESE APPEALS GIVEN NOTICE THAT THEIR APPEALS WOULD BE TAKEN UP BY THE BOARD AND SO THAT THEY COULD BE HERE.
UH, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
THEY WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY TOLD THAT THAT WAS GOING TO OCCUR, BUT THAT IS PART OF THE, UH, AT THE KNOWN PROCESS.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT US TO BE TALKING ABOUT THESE FOLKS WHEN THEY COULD BE HERE TO, TO CLARIFY.
THEY DON'T COME, OR THEY'RE NOT NOTIFIED.
I MEAN, HE CARED ENOUGH TO APPEAL.
WELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND AND, AND REQUEST THAT.
I WOULD REQUEST THAT, UM, WE MAKE IT A A POINT TO ADVISE THEM OF WHEN AND WHERE THE HEARING IS GOING TO BE HELD OR THE, UM, THING IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED SO THAT THEY CAN COME AND WE WILL KNOW IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, BUT AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO US THAT SAYS THIS PERSON WAS NOTIFIED.
LIKE, UH, THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS HERE EARLIER, SHE WAS HERE, SHE MADE IT.
AND, UH, UM, PROBABLY BECAUSE HER CASE IS SO OLD.
BUT, UM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ADVISED TO BE HERE.
AND THAT, AND IN THAT REGARD, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUSH THESE OFF TILL NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH.
AND THAT, UH, THESE PEOPLE BE SPECIFICALLY AND INDIVIDUALLY NOTIFIED THAT WE WILL BE CONSIDERING THEIR SITUATION.
I JUST WANNA YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
INFORM MS. PHILLIPS COMES, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS EVERY
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SINGLE TIME.AND SHE IS, AS YOU SAW HER TONIGHT, SAME STUFF.
WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M NEW, SO NO, I KNOW IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
AND SO BY PUSHING, BY PUSHING THIS TO NEXT MONTH, WHAT IT'LL DO IS, BECAUSE WHAT TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO VOTE TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR ANY OF THESE.
I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION IT IS THAT YOU NEED COME NEXT MONTH WHERE YOU CAN WALK IN AND GO, OKAY, I KNOW HOW, PRETTY MUCH HOW I'M GONNA, WHAT MY FEELINGS ARE ON EACH ONE.
SO, UM, CAN I, I MAY HAVE PUSHING THAT THIS, THAT THESE BE PUSHED UNTIL NEXT.
DISTRICT EIGHT MADE THE MOTION.
MOTION IS, MOTION IS DISTRICT EIGHT, SECOND IS DISTRICT FOUR.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? UM, I, I JUST SAY, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION, WE NEED TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
AND, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING ALL THAT INFORMATION TO HELP US, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND JUST EVERYBODY, THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
UM, WE'VE GOT NEW PEOPLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE DIRECTOR WAS PUT IN HERE, THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO REAL HANDOFF.
OKAY? SO THERE'S NO FAMILIARITY WITH, WITH HOW THINGS WERE DONE IN THE PAST.
IT WAS A BANDAID BEING RIPPED OFF.
AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL REGROUP IN JANUARY FOR, FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM, AND WE'LL TRY TO, CONSIDERING WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE TO REVIEW, UM, WE'LL TRY AND KEEP THAT AGENDA, UM, A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER THAN TONIGHT.
POINT OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
YOU NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION.
UM, SO NO OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, ON THIS ONE TO PUSH THREE B.
SEEING NONE, CAN I GET A VOTE? AYE, AYE.
WE WILL PUSH ITEM THREE B ONE THROUGH FIVE TO THE JANUARY MEETING.
UM, I HAD A BOARD MEMBER REACH OUT ASKING TO DISCUSS THE APPOINTMENT OF A NEW BOARD CHAIR.
SO I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT EVERY WEEK SINCE WE LOST OUR CHAIR, I HAVE BEEN TUNING INTO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS.
I'VE BEEN, UM, UH, SCOURING THE, THE CITY SECRETARY'S, UH, WEBSITE EVERY WEEK TO MAKE SURE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY UPDATE ON BOARD CHAIR, VICE CHAIR NOMINATIONS, AND ALSO BOARD MEMBERS.
SO I KNOW THAT WE'RE WAITING ON ONE BOARD MEMBER TO BE APPROVED, UM, EXCUSE ME, FOR DISTRICT ONE, UM, AS OF THIS MORNING.
AND THAT WAS AS OF THIS MORNING FOR DISTRICT ONE.
UH, BUT IT STILL REMAINS VACANT UNTIL THE, UM, UNTIL THE BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE.
UM, BUT THE BOARD CHAIR, VICE CHAIR IS STILL VACANT.
THERE IS NO, THERE ARE NO NOMINEES THERE.
IF THAT CHANGES, I WILL DEFINITELY LET YOU KNOW.
OR I WILL HAVE A DIRECTOR, CHANDLER, MAYBE SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU TO LET YOU KNOW.
BUT, UH, I'M, I'M CHECKING THE WEBSITE EVERY DAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, SPEAK TO YOUR, SPEAK TO YOUR CA YOUR COUNCIL PERSON ABOUT, UH, UH, ABOUT THE, THE CHAIR POSITION.
AND, UM, BUT OTHERWISE THAT IS A, THAT IS THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S, UM, UH, APPOINTMENTS.
SO, UH, I'M SURE I AM NOT GOING TO, UH, TO, UH, TELL THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
SO, UM, THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS BOARD.
UM, SO I WOULD JUST GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO GET THROUGH THIS TIME AND LET THEM MAKE A, MAKE, LET THEM MAKE A DECISION.
THEY FEEL THEY FEEL BEST, UM, REPRESENTS THIS BOARD AND WHERE THEY WANT TO GO WITH IT.
DOES THE MAYOR APPOINT THE CHAIR OR DOES THE FULL CITY COUNCIL APPOINT THE CHAIR? THE, THE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S A FULL, IT'S A FULL CITY COUNCIL AT THE, THE MAYOR APPOINT
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MAYOR, I THINK GUESS THE MAYOR, MAYOR, BUT THE, YEAH, BUT THE MAYOR NOMINATES WHO, WHO IT'S GONNA BE.SO, SO THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION IS YES AND NO
YEAH, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S A FULL, IT'S A FULL COUNCIL VOTE.
SO, UM, SO JUST, JUST BE PATIENT.
WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO LISTEN, WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP PUSHING UNTIL THEY DECIDE WHO THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, PLACE IN THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR POSITION.
WE'LL JUST PUSH, WE GOTTA KEEP PUSHING FORWARD AND NOT, NOT SIT AROUND WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.
JUST QUESTION ON THAT, BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER BRIEFED ON, UH, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PREVIOUS CHAIR.
WAS HE TIMED OUT? WAS HE, OR WAS THERE ANOTHER REASON WHY HE LEFT? I AM.
I, UM, AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, I SPOKE TO HIM, UM, AND HE TIMED OUT.
HE SAID IT WAS ALL IN, COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC, PLEASE? I'M SORRY.
OH, HE SAID IT WAS, THERE WAS NO ISSUE.
IT WAS ALL DONE AMICABLY, BUT IT WAS A QUESTION OF BEING TIMED OUT.
I TIMED OUT BETWEEN, I HAVE NO IDEA.
UM, YOU SERVED TWO TERMS. IT, IT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S NOT MY, UH, IT PEOPLE MAKE THEIR DECISIONS HOW, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT MY BUSINESS, SO, UM, I'M JUST, JUST ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES.
IT WASN'T MY BUSINESS EITHER, BUT I MADE IT ANYWAY.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THREE C, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE B.
WE STILL HAVE FOUR MORE, UM, REVIEWS TO HAVE IN THREE B BEFORE WE WENT TO C.
UH, KEVIN, KEVIN, UH, MR. WILLIAMS, WE ALREADY VOTED AND DISCUSSED, UH, THREE B, AND SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO THREE C.
YOU, YOU VOTED AND DISCUSSED ONE CASE OUT OF THREE B, UNLESS ALL FIVE CASES HAVE BEEN PUSHED OVER TO THE NEXT.
YOU HAVE FOUR CASES UNDERNEATH THAT? CORRECT.
SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM THREE C, WE'RE MOVING ON TO 3D.
UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, THE OFFICE OF OCPO CURRENTLY HAS FOUR VACANT POSITIONS, UH, WHICH INCLUDE THE DIRECTOR POSITION, A MEDIATION MANAGER POSITION, A POLICY ANALYST POSITION, AND AN INVESTIGATOR, UM, POSITION.
THE MEDIATION MANAGER POSITION WAS POSTED, THE POLICY ANALYST POSITION WAS POSTED.
UM, AND SO HIRING CAN BEGIN ON THOSE TWO OPPORTUNITIES BASED ON, UH, THE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE APPLIED TO THE POSITION.
I HAD A QUESTION, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, ABOUT THE DIRECTOR POSITION.
IS IT ON, IT'S ON DISTRICT THREE.
UM, SO THE, OF COURSE, THE FIRST DIRECTOR WAS HIRED WITH A LOT OF, LET'S JUST SAY A LOT WAS GOING ON IN THE CITY WHEN THE, THE OCPO AND THE, UM, BOARD WAS CREATED.
UH, THERE WAS A BIG COMMUNITY HIRING PROCESS WHERE STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, DPD, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND FOLKS CAME, WERE PART OF THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS WITH THAT DIRECTOR.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANY, UH, WORD ABOUT THAT FROM, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER ON WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN? WE WERE PROMISED THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE DIRECTOR.
OR WILL THERE BE A HIRING WHEN, WHEN THE HIRING PROCESS AND IF THAT PROCESS WILL HAPPEN? LIKE BEFORE? I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
I WILL SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT THAT PROCESS, UM, MAY BEGIN FAIRLY SOON.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF.
I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, FIRM INFORMATION OF WHEN THAT PROCESS WILL BEGIN, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S, UM, AWARENESS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WHEN THIS TOPIC WAS, WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, UM, I'D LIKE TO REACH OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE THEM DO A, A, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL AND THE HIRING AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR IT TO BE DONE IN JANUARY.
DEPENDS ON THEIR SCHEDULE ON WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
SO LOOK FOR THAT POSSIBLY JANUARY, UM, MOVING ON INTO THE NEW YEAR, POSSIBLY EVEN FEBRUARY.
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UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, THAT WAY WE CAN GET IT, WE CAN START TO, 'CAUSE THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, WHOEVER, WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S GOING TO, UH, UH, COME IN FOR THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION.JOHN FORTUNE LAST TIME WE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 3D MR. CHAIRMAN? JUST ONE.
SO, UM, AND THIS IS MOSTLY FOR MR. CHANDLER.
SO WE LOST OUR PERMANENT DIRECTOR SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND SO WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT TOWARD HI MAKING ANOTHER HIRE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.
SO I, I DO SUPPORT THE, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION 'CAUSE WE NEED TO GET ANSWERS ON, ON THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 3D? ONE MORE QUESTION.
CHAIR, UM, I NOTICED THAT WE CC JUST THE CITY MANAGER ON ALL OUR MEMOS.
I'M WONDERING WHY WE DON'T CC THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
LIKE, WE TALK ABOUT THEM HAVING MORE OF A WINDOW AND TRANSPARENCY INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WE ONLY CC THE CITY MANAGER IN THE ONES THAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CC OUR COUNCIL, UM, ON ALL OF THESE, ALL THESE MEMOS.
WELL, I, I APPRECIATE, I, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY RELY ON EACH OF YOU TO DISCUSS WITH YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON.
UM, THE OCPO WORKS FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
WE WORK THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S ON, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT'S CCING THE CITY MANAGER.
AND I THINK ON ONE OF THOSE OTHER ONES, I ACTUALLY CC'D THE OCPO SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF IT, UM, FOR THEIR FILES.
IT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE FOR THEIR FILING.
UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO BE TALKING TO YOUR, TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE BOARD.
I MEAN, IF I MAY, I'LL PUSH BACK ON YOU ON THAT ONE CHAIRMAN.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WORK THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, BUT WE'RE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL SURE.
WHICH REPRESENT THE ABSOLUTELY.
AND ALL OF OUR MEMOS ARE PUBLIC RECORD AS WELL.
SO, BUT IF WE HAVE A, A MECHANISM AS EASY AS CCING OUR COUNCIL THAT TAKES CARE OF THEM, THEN THEY HAVE THE CHOICE WHETHER THEY IGNORE IT OR NOT.
IT'S STILL OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BRIEF OUR COUNCIL PERSON.
I SEND MY COUNCIL PERSON A MONTHLY BRIEFING ON EACH ONE OF THESE MEETINGS.
BUT, BUT THAT IS A PROCESS THAT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE THAT LIKE REMOVES ALL DOUBT, RIGHT? LIKE, SO WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND THEN THEY LEAST HAVE A WINDOW INTO, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS THE CITY MANAGER HAS A CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THE COUNCIL HAS A DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITY.
AND IF WE ARE GONNA ULTIMATE, ULTIMATELY BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS OR EVEN ASKING THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE COUNCIL THAT'S GONNA MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND, AND VOTE ON IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S A BIG SILO AND THAT'S A BIG GAP THAT WE'RE LEAVING OUT BY NOT HAVING THE CITY COUNCIL BE BE IN ON THESE, UH, COPIES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON 3D MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, I AGREE THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO UPDATE OUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON, AND IT'S THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT THAT REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER.
WE DO NOT REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
WE REPORT TO OUR COUNCIL PERSON.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS GET A LOT OF EMAILS, A LOT OF MEMOS OF WHATEVER THIS IS NOT GONNA BE LOOKED AT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TIME CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
IT'S UP TO US TO BOIL IT DOWN TO WHAT WE KNOW IS IMPORTANT IN OUR DISTRICT AND FOR US TO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH THE PERSON WHO APPOINTED US.
CAN I PUSH BACK ON THAT?
SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING A PAPER TRAIL WITH DPD, RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE SENDING MEMOS WRITTEN SO THAT WE HAVE A RECORD OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE ALSO NEED TO DO THAT WITH OUR COUNCIL AS WELL.
I AGREE THAT THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN LOOK AT IT, BUT IT IS STILL A FORMALITY THAT I THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT AS WELL.
CAN I JUST ADD, UM, WHAT IF, WHAT IF
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ALL OF THESE MEMOS, I MEAN, SOME OF THEM REALLY DON'T PERTAIN TO, TO THE COUNCIL AT ALL.RIGHT? SO WHAT IF I ASSUME YOU'RE SENDING THESE MEMOS VIA EMAIL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
CAN THE, CAN THE BOARD BE COPIED ON ALL OF THE MEMOS AND THEN WE CAN FORWARD ON TO OUR COUNCIL PERSON WHEN WE THINK IT, WHEN WE THINK IT MEETS THEIR NEEDS? UH, THE BOARD IS PROVIDED, YOU MAY NOT BE LISTED AS CC'D, BUT THE BOARD MEMBERS ALL DO RECEIVE A COPY OF ALL THE MEMOS.
IS THIS MORE OF THAT SHAREPOINT? BECAUSE I'M REALLY GONNA LEARN HOW TO USE THAT.
WELL, THEY RECEIVE IT ON SHAREPOINT AND THEN ALSO VIA EMAIL.
I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE BEEN GETTING MEMOS BY, BY EMAIL.
IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA.
AND I PUT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE, DO YOU SEND US THE, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT? DO YOU SEND US THE, UH, MEMOS AT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE GENERATED? OR DO YOU SEND THEM ALL IN A BATCH AT THE SAME TIME IN A BATCH? OKAY.
NO OTHER COMMENTS ON THE HIRING OF PERSONNEL.
WE'LL DO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE REQUESTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.
SO WE CHANGE THE PROCEDURE TO, UM, IN THE FUTURE INCLUDE A COPY TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF WHATEVER IS COMMUNICATED SPECIFICALLY TO TC.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE RECEIVES, BUT IF WE COULD RECEIVE A COPY OF EXACTLY WHAT HE RECEIVES AND THEN WE COULD, IF WE SO CHOOSE FORWARD IT.
SO, CAN I JUST MAKE THAT MOTION PLEASE? THAT WHATEVER IS FORWARDED TO, UM, TC BROAD NECKS BE FORWARDED TO EACH BOARD MEMBER SO THAT WE CAN IN TURN THEN COMMUNICATE WITH OUR DISTRICT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT, THAT IT BE FORWARDED TO US AT THE SAME TIME THAT IT IS FORWARDED TO TC AND NOT NECESSARILY AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE NOT NOTICE THAT IT'S GONE OUT, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT MY AMENDMENT.
SO I, THE, THE MEMOS THAT ARE IN THIS, IN THIS DOCUMENT.
CARRY THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO, UM, I NEED A SECOND.
I THINK WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION.
YEAH, WE'RE STILL, WE HAVE A SECOND.
SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DISCUSSION UNTIL, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A MOTION THAT, BUT THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE A SECOND? THE MOTION? THE MOTION AS I CAN WE, YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE, THAT THE OFFICE SENDS EACH BOARD MEMBER A COPY OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT IS SENT DIRECTLY TO TC BROADBAND AT THE, THE SAME TIME, SO THAT WE COULD, AND IN FACT, FORWARD IT ON IF WE SO SHOES.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YEAH, I'M JUST WONDERING.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THAT VERY TIME.
I MEAN, WE CAN DO A TIME LIMIT, BUT THE STAFF MAY BE SWAMPED AND I DON'T WANT, IT'S JUST A CC.
SO MY QUESTION IS LIKE ITEM 3D, LOOK AT IT.
UPDATE ON OCPO HIRING PERSONNEL.
AND THEN IT SAYS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WE HAVE FOUR VACANT POSITIONS.
I HAVE NO DATA THERE, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO FORWARD TO MY COUNCIL PERSON BECAUSE THERE'S NO DATA, THERE'S NO MEAT TO THE MEMO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TC THOUGHT ABOUT IT WHEN HE, WHEN HE GETS A COPY OF THIS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WHAT'D Y'ALL DISCUSS? I DON'T KNOW.
SO LET ME, UH, LET ME CLARIFY THAT.
SO WHAT SHE PROVIDED YOU WAS AN UPDATE ON THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE OFFICE.
WHAT I WAS DISCUSSING WAS HAVING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION SO THAT WE COULD ALL SIT IN THE ROOM AND TALK TO RIGHT.
SO, BUT THE MOTION THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IS EVERY TIME TC BROADENS IS CARBON COPIED.
ON A MEMO THAT ALL OF US GET A COPY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBER.
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THIS, THIS MEMO, LIKE 3D AND THREE E.THERE'S NOTHING FOR ME TO DISCUSS UNTIL I COME HERE AND ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT JUST SAYS THE INTERIM DIRECTOR'S GONNA LEAD US INTO DISCUSSION.
DO YOU FOLLOW ME? RIGHT? YEAH.
I I MEAN I THINK THESE MEMOS NEED TO BE DETAILED.
THE ONLY TWO MEMOS THAT HAVE GONE OUT ARE THE MEMO TO CHIEF GARCIA AND THE MEMO TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL.
MR. VICE-CHAIR, CAN I ADD? YES, JUST ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, I KNOW YOU'VE ONLY BEEN IN THE POSITION A COUPLE OF TWO OR THREE MONTHS, BUT HOW OFTEN ARE YOU SENDING EMAILS OR MEMOS TO TC BROAD ACTS? MY IMPRESSION IS VERY FEW, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
UH, ONE MEMO HAS BEEN SENT, UM, AND THAT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD FOR THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE.
UM, THAT IS THE ONLY MEMO THAT WAS SENT AND 3D IS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY A BOARD MEMBER WHO REQUESTED IT.
SO I REALLY JUST PUT IT HERE TO START THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT BOARD MEMBER WANTED TO DISCUSS.
SO IN THAT DISCUSSION, I JUST SHARED THAT THERE ARE FOUR OPEN POSITIONS, BUT I'M NOT SURE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE BOARD MEMBER WANTED TO DISCUSS WHEN REQUESTING THAT THAT BE PUT ON THE AGENDA.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, UH, THOUGHTS HERE.
AND I THINK THE OTHER IS SAYING THAT ANYTHING THAT IS SENT TO HIM THAT YOU BE CC'D ON.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF, NO, WELL, LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE MY QUESTION SORT OF, BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S A MEMO DIRECTLY TO HIM OR A CC AND LET'S TAKE OUT THE AGENDA ITEMS. LET'S SET THOSE ASIDE.
HOW OFTEN ARE YOU COMMUNICATING WITH HIM? EITHER DIRECTLY OR AS A CC? UM, AS A CC THEN IT WOULD BE, UH, THE SAME METHOD THAT YOU ALL RECEIVE THE INFORMATION IS THE SAME METHOD IN WHICH HE RECEIVES THE, IN THE CITY MANAGER RECEIVES THE INFORMATION.
I WANNA SET THAT ASIDE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY GETTING THAT.
BUT I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
ARE YOU COMMUNICATING HI WITH HIM ON OTHER MATTERS, WHETHER IT'S A DIRECT EMAIL OR MEMO OR A CC? VERY RARELY.
UH, I HATE TO BE IN THE POSITION OF MICROMANAGING WHAT SHE DOES OR DOESN'T DO IN COMMUNICATION.
SO JUST I THROW THAT OUT THERE.
SO THE MEMOS AT THIS BOARD WILL SEND OUT LIKE THE MEMO, CHIEF GARCIA MEMO TO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE RESOURCE PANEL.
THOSE ARE NOT A PROBLEM WHAT SHE DOES AS FAR AS HER OCPO ROLE AS A CITY EMPLOYEE.
THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY PUT THIS AS, AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING? OR, OR DO YOU WANT WELL, LET'S CARRY THIS MOTION.
SO ALL THE C IT'S REALLY NOT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S NOT REALLY CHANGING ANYTHING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GET THE MEMOS.
IT'S THE CPOB, THE BOARD MEMO YOU GOT.
SO YOU ONLY SEND IT TO HIM ONCE A MONTH? THAT'S CORRECT.
UNLESS IT'S OUTSIDE OF, AND YOU SEND HIM THOSE PAGES THAT ARE JUST BLANK.
I SEND THE SAME MEMOS THAT YOU RECEIVED, UH, TO THE CITY MANAGER.
AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF THERE IS, UH, A MEMO THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO HIM, SUCH AS THE TECHNICAL POLICY, UM, THAT WENT TO HIM INDIVIDUALLY AND FOR SOME REASON I HAVE A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME, UM, OPENING THE, UH, DOCUMENT THIS TIME AND NOT, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE A PROBLEM OPENING UP THE DOCUMENT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
THE PDF? WELL, NO, JUST SHAREPOINT.
UM, SO, SO THE DOCUMENTS WERE SENT OUT THROUGH SHAREPOINT AND THEY WERE ALSO SENT OUT
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THROUGH EMAIL.SO THE NEW MEMBERS I ADDED TO SHAREPOINT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT HAD DIFFICULTY OPENING THE SHAREPOINT.
UM, BUT I'M NOT, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THROUGH EMAIL THERE WAS DIFFICULTY OPENING.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNET TODAY, YESTERDAY, WHATEVER DAY IT WAS.
I CAN, I CAN, I CAN SAY THE PDF SOMEHOW THE FORM OF PDF WHEN I GO TO OPEN IT, IT KEEPS TELLING ME I HAVE TO PAY MONEY AND SIGN UP TO BE AN EDITOR.
AND I DON'T WANNA EDIT YOUR PDFS.
I MEAN, I GET PDFS FROM A LOT OF PLACES.
I'M ON A LOT OF BIG COMMITTEES, BUT I SOMEHOW IT THINKS I'M SUPPOSED TO BE AN EDITOR, SO IT'S ASKING ME FOR MONEY AND I JUST CLOSE IT
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WAS THAT THE SHAREPOINT OR THE EMAIL? NO, THAT WAS THE EMAIL.
AND I GOT THE SHAREPOINT LINK, BUT NO EMAIL WITH PDFS.
UH, CALLING FOR THE VOTE ON, UH, THE D FOUR MOTION SECONDED BY DISTRICT EIGHT.
UH, ABOUT THE MEMOS, UH, BEING SENT OUT TO THE BOARD, UH, FOR THE C THE CPOB MEMOS BEING SENT OUT TO THE BOARD WHEN WE SEND THEM UP TO CHIEF GARCIA OR, UM, OR THE CITY MANAGER AND WE WILL GO.
WE WILL MAKE SURE THOSE MEMOS START GOING OUT TO THE BOARD.
WE GOT AN UPDATE ON THE CPOB WEBSITE.
I BELIEVE THIS WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS REQUESTED TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA BY A BOARD MEMBER.
DOES SOMEONE, DO YOU, YOU WANNA BRING UP WHAT, UH, THE CPOB WEBSITE? SURE.
WHAT'S THE STATUS OF IT? BECAUSE WE HAD, THERE WAS A WHOLE REDESIGN DONE AND THERE WERE GONNA BE ALL THE BOARD DATE, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE GONNA BE ON THE WEBSITE.
THERE WERE GONNA BE PHOTOS OF EVERYBODY BIOS, UM, IT WAS GONNA BE A COMPLETELY REVAMPED WEBSITE.
WE SAW DRAFTS OF IT, THEY WERE SENT TO US.
AND THEN I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SINCE.
SO WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE REDESIGN WEBSITE? I WASN'T AWARE OF THE, UH, PROPOSED REDESIGN.
AND SO I CAN LOOK THROUGH THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE TO SEE IF I CAN FIND ANY DETAILS REGARDING THE REDESIGN, UM, AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE IN NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
I MEAN, I, I CAN GO BACK AND FIND MY EMAILS AND THAT WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT EVERYTHING.
WAS THAT SENT OUT BY DIRECTOR CLE? YES.
'CAUSE THEY, I MEAN, SHE HAD, THE REDESIGN WAS DONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, AND REMEMBER WE WERE GONNA SCHEDULE PHOTOS.
SHE SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO, EVERYBODY WAS GONNA BE SCHEDULED TO COME IN AND HAVE THEIR PHOTO TAKEN AND ALL THAT.
AND THEN NOTHING EVER HAPPENED.
I WAS HOPING WE COULD GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE NEW WEBSITE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE BOARD ON THE CURRENT WEBSITE FOR THE PUBLIC, SO.
WE'LL JUST FOLLOW UP, FOLLOW A LOOK.
AND ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT WEBSITE IS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ASSIGNED CITY EMAIL ADDRESSES AS PART OF THAT WEBSITE.
SO SOMEBODY COULD CLICK ON OUR NAME AND SEND US AN EMAIL.
I DO KNOW IN A SEPARATE MEETING, IT WAS DISCUSSED IN A BOARD'S COMMISSION MEETING THAT ALL BOARDS WOULD BE RECEIVING, UH, CITY OF DALLAS EMAIL ADDRESSES.
I DON'T KNOW THE ETA FOR THAT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE PIPELINE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON, UH, THE CPOB WEBSITE? THE NEW ONE ANYWAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THREE FDBT MONTHLY ARREST DATA THAT'S PROVIDED TO, UH, US AS A COURTESY THAT NORMALLY GOES TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
SO, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS? UM, I'M LOOKING AT,
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LET'S SEE, THE THIRD PAGE OF CHARTS HERE WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT MONTHLY ARRESTS IN OCTOBER BY RACE.ARE THE NUMBERS ALWAYS THIS WILD? LIKE THIS IS CRAZY.
I AM, I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE NOT NUMBERED, BUT YEAH.
A THIRD MONTHLY ARREST BY COUNCIL DISTRICT RACE, SEX, AND ZIP CODE.
AND HERE I'M LOOKING AT THE THIRD PAGE OF THE RACE.
I, I MEAN, ACCORDING BLACK DALLAS RESIDENTS MAKE UP ABOUT 22% OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THEY'RE VASTLY OVERREPRESENTED.
50% OF THE, OF THE PERSONS ARRESTED.
IF I MAY, COULD I SPEAK ON THAT? SO JUST, UM, AND, UH, I GUESS THE ANNIVERSARY OF GEORGE FLOYD'S MURDER, UH, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, UH, FORMER DIRECTOR MCCLARY, MYSELF AND THE LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE PUT OUT A REPORT THAT TALKED ABOUT MISDEMEANOR LOOK, JUST LOOKED AT MISDEMEANOR ARRESTS.
AND, UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE NUMBERS, RIGHT? LIKE IN THAT REPORT, UH, EVEN WITH MISDEMEANOR REPORTS THERE, THE REPORTS SUMMARY BASICALLY SAID, DESPITE THERE BEING A DROP IN ARREST, VIOLENT CRIME GOING DOWN, ARRESTS GOING DOWN, UM, THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ARREST NUMBERS ACROSS RACE, AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS ARE STILL DISPROPORTIONATELY, UM, BEING ARRESTED, UM, ACCORDING TO THEIR, THEIR, UH, THEIR RELATION TO THE POPULATION.
SO YES, THEY'RE ALWAYS THIS WILD, HISTORICALLY.
SO THIS, UM, SO WE ASKED FOR THIS INFORMATION SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT OUR DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND SEE HOW WE ARE DOING, UH, DISTRICT-WISE AND, UM, WITH REGARD TO RACE.
SO, UM, BUT THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS A REPORT THAT'S PROVIDED BY DPD TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE EVERY MONTH.
IS THERE ANY STRATEGIC PLANNING IN THE CITY? I, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT IS, IS THERE STRATEGIC PLANNING IN THE CITY TO ADDRESS THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S CRAZY.
THAT I'VE NOT, I'VE NOT HEARD OF ANYTHING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A, THAT'D BE A REALLY GOOD QUESTION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
UM, I WOULD, UM, DIRECT THE BOARD MEMBER TO READ THE 21ST CENTURY POLICING ENTIRE REPORT THAT WAS DONE BY PRESIDENT OBAMA'S OFFICE.
UM, IT'S READILY AVAILABLE ONLINE AND IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF BACKGROUND AND DATA.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING IN HERE, IT'S REAL, IT'S REAL.
AND IT'S, IT'S A NATIONAL PROBLEM.
IF THERE'S NO, UH, COMMENT ON THREE F, MOVE ON TO 3G, WHICH WAS OUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH DPD CHIEF, UH, GARCIA.
SO DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO MEET WITH, UH, WITH CHIEF GARCIA, UM, TO DO A MEET AND GREET.
UM, 'CAUSE I'VE, I'VE ONLY SEEN HIM AT DISTRICT MEETINGS OR, UM, OR AT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, BUT NEVER IN THE ROLE, UM, AS A-C-P-O-B MEMBER.
YOU KNOW, ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE CHIEF BEFORE.
UM, SO IT WAS KIND OF IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHO WE ARE.
I MEAN, HE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHO I AM.
HE DIDN'T KNOW DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE SAME.
SO IT WAS AT THAT MOMENT THAT I WAS ABLE TO KIND OF GIVE HIM AN UPDATE ON THE FACT THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL, WHICH IS KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT, UH, HE BROUGHT UP DURING LAST YEAR'S RETREAT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
AND THAT WAS, UM, AND IT WAS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT JUST NEVER HAPPENED.
SO, UM, TO SHOW, TO SHOW SOME GOOD FAITH FROM THE BOARD, IT'S LIKE, HEY, LET'S GET, LET'S, LET'S DO WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND SO, UM, HE WAS APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO MEET WITH HIM.
DIRECTOR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD ON THAT ONE?
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UM, NO, NO.UM, SO, BUT THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE DURING THIS MEETING, UM, I GOT THAT ONE, UM, TRIGGER FROM, UH, MS. WADSWORTH ABOUT THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM.
I CAN DEFINITELY ASK HIM ABOUT THAT.
WHAT THE, WHAT THE STATS OF THAT IS.
IF IT'S OPERATIONAL, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVIEW OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT OR TAP INTO OR, UH, I'LL GET SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
SO WE'LL BRING THAT UP AT THIS MONTH'S MEETING.
AND WHAT HE HAD TOLD THE PAPER WAS IT, UM, WAS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING IMPLEMENTED.
I UNDERSTAND 20 20, 20 WAS A COVID YEAR.
BUT THIS IS 2023 AND WE'RE NOW FOUR YEARS.
SO WHAT'S THE STATUS? AND IF IT HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED MM-HMM.
SO WE CAN TRACK THESE OFFICERS IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, OFFICER, I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW.
WE SHOULD BE HAVING A RETREAT.
UM, WE TYPICALLY DO THAT AROUND JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME, FIRST FORM.
SO, OH, DID YOU HAVE NO, NO, NO.
UH, I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'LL INVITE THE CHIEF, UM, THE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER, UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT, YOU CAN DIG EVEN DEEPER WHEN WE HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN THE SAME ROOM ROOM WITH US, SIR.
NO, I WAS SAYING NOT, NOT ONLY MAYOR AND THE CHIEF, BUT COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL.
IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A RETREAT, YOU SHOULD HAVE EVERYONE.
HOW, I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'RE INVITED.
I, I WASN'T PART OF THAT PROCESS.
I UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T COME, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE INVITED.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, WE, WE DO THE, WE DO THE INVITES AND, AND LET 'EM KNOW THAT IT'S GOING DOWN, BUT, UH, WE'VE TYPICALLY HAD IT ON A SATURDAY MORNING AND WE CAN'T GET THE MAYOR ON A SATURDAY, BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE CHIEF, SO.
AND WE DID HAVE A, A, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THIS LAST GO AROUND NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRETTY LATE IN PLANNING THIS.
WELL, I THINK ONE THING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS MAYBE WE WANNA HAVE IT LIKE IN MARCH OR APRIL, BECAUSE AS YOU JUST SAID, WE HAVE FOUR OPEN POSITIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET NEW PEOPLE ON BOARD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OUR OFFICE STAFF.
SPEAKING OF FOUR OPEN POSITIONS, ARE THERE ANY FILLED POSITIONS FOR THE OFFICE? UH, YES.
WE HAVE CURRENTLY, UH, MICROPHONE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE, UH, PERSONS IN THE OFFICE OF OCPO, INCLUDING MYSELF.
NO, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU JUST INDICATED TO US WE'RE BEING HIRED, RIGHT? NO, THERE ARE FOUR VACANT POSITIONS AND THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE THREE STAFF MEMBERS OKAY.
AND WE HAVE AN OUTREACH SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST, AND THEN ALSO AN INTAKE SPECIALIST.
AND SO THOSE FOUR WERE IN ADDITION TO THOSE IN ADDITION.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA? SURE.
UM, WHERE DID YOU MEET WITH HIM AT HIS OFFICE? HOW LONG DID THE MEETING LAST? PROBABLY AN HOUR.
HOW'S HE HE DOING? BECAUSE INTERESTINGLY, LIKE I HAVE REQUESTED TO MEET WITH HIM AND WAS TOLD NO.
UM, DID, DID YOU TELL HIM THAT HE'S WELCOME TO COME HERE? ABSOLUTELY.
DO AND YOU MEET WITH HIM EVERY MONTH? YEAH.
WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD IT, BUT YES, WE HAVE A, UH, A STANDING, UH, A RE A STANDING REQUEST TO MEET WITH HIM, AND IF HE'S AVAILABLE, WE'LL MEET WITH HIM IN JANUARY.
IS THAT PRETTY STANDARD, LIKE HAS THE, AND THEY ALWAYS MEET? YES.
THE, THE CHAIR AND THE, UH, DIRECTOR HAVE ALWAYS HAD A STANDING MEETING TO, UH, MONTHLY MEETING.
UM, IT'S NOT ALWAYS, UM, AVAILABLE, BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT IS THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A MEETING FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, WHAT THE VICE CHAIR IS SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, FOR ALL SORTS
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OF REASONS, THE MEETING WAS VERY SELDOM HELD.MOST OF THE TIME THE REPORT WOULD COME BACK THAT SOMEBODY HAD A CONFLICT AND THE MEETING WAS NOT HELD.
SO THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH CHIEF GARCIA.
ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE INVITED HIM HERE SEVERAL TIMES AND HE HAS COME EVERY TIME WE HAVE INVITED HIM.
SO, UM, I DON'T THINK HE'S DODGING US.
I JUST THINK THERE'S BEEN SCHEDULING YEAH.
ISSUES THAT HAVE PREVENTED IT FROM HAPPENING ON A MEANINGFUL BASIS IN THE PAST.
SO, UM, IN WHAT CAPACITY DID YOU REQUEST A MEETING? AND IT WASN'T PART OF THIS BODY, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
OH, I WAS JUST WONDERING, INTRODUCTION.
I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THAT IN FUR FURTHERS OUR MISSION HERE AS A BOARD.
I WANTED TO SAY HI, INTRODUCE MYSELF, BECAUSE I ASSUMED THAT HE WAS QUITE INVOLVED WITH IT AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY HI.
BUT NO, HE'S NOT, HE, HE'S NOT, AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE HAS TOLD, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S TOLD, BUT IT'S OUR, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HE WILL NOT REQUIRE HIS OFFICERS TO APPEAR BEFORE US IF WE WANT TO MEET WITH THE OFFICER TO ASK QUESTIONS.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS BEING HERE WITH US WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE MEETINGS.
DID WE GET AN ANSWER ON THAT YET? YES.
ON WHAT? PARDON ANSWER LAST TIME, AND HE WAS, I, I WASN'T HERE IN NOVEMBER, I'M SORRY.
UH, EITHER LAST TIME, TIME BEFORE.
AND WE WERE TOLD SIMPLY THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE IT.
SO IF THEY, IF IF INTERNAL AFFAIRS WANTS TO SHOW UP, THEY CAN.
BUT, UH, WHEN I TALKED TO MAJOR ALLEN'S, I BROUGHT THAT ISSUE UP WITH HER.
I TOLD HER IT WOULD GO A LONG WAYS TO IMPROVING EVERYTHING.
BOTH COSMETICALLY AND SUBSTANTIVELY.
AND SHE SAID SHE WOULD THINK ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOME HAVING PEOPLE AROUND AN ABILITY TO GET INFORMATION, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT SHE SEES AS A BENEFIT.
BUT I DID ENCOURAGE IT, AND I HOPE EVENTUALLY WE CAN GET SOMEBODY FROM IAD HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UH, BEING THAT THIS WILL BE THE LAST MEETING OF, OF THE YEAR FOR US, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU GUYS GO HOME OVER THE, OVER THE HOLIDAYS, RUN IT, RUN IT AROUND IN YOUR MIND THE, THE SIMPLE WORD OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOW DIFFICULT OUR JOBS CAN BE AND OUR, WHAT WE'RE TASKED TO DO.
IF NOBODY FEELS LIKE THEY CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND THAT THEY CAN JUST SAY NO, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'LL BE REAL HONEST WITH YOU, I, I DON'T HAVE THE PATIENCE FOR NO, NO, NO.
ALL THE TIME WITHOUT A REASON.
AND WE CAN SAY NO, THEY DON'T REALLY DUCK AND DODGERS, THAT'S BSS.
I'M THE BUSIEST MAN ON THE PLANET, AND I KNOW GOOD AND WELL THAT IF WE SEND AN INVITATION AND IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP, THAT'S ACCOUNTABILITY.
YOU WERE TOLD WE WERE DOING THIS AND MAYBE YOU HAD A CONFLICT.
MAYBE YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CONFLICT, BUT SEND SOMEBODY IN YOUR PLACE.
I MEAN, I'M A TAXPAYER, WE'RE ALL TAXPAYERS, SO THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON THAT CAN COME.
IF THAT PARTICULAR PERSON CAN'T COME, I MEAN, WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE TO THANK YOU.
MAJOR DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT EIGHT.
THE MAJOR PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE, UM, THE POLICE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING THAT WE DO.
AND, UH, SINCE THERE IS A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, UM, MEETING EVEN RIGHT NOW, NEXT DOOR, THEN, UH, YEAH.
THEN PERHAPS WE MIGHT WANT TO, UH, HAVE THE ORDINANCE REVISITED SO THAT THERE IS SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THERE REALLY, AS YOU SAY, IS NONE BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE IT.
AND AS A LAWYER, I CAN TELL YOU, IF IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
CAN I SPEAK TO THAT A BIT? HAVING A UNIQUE POSITION OF HELPING TO MAKE THIS ALL A REALITY? THE INTENTION WAS NEVER, THAT THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT NEVER SP SPOKE TO THAT.
I MEAN, JUST FOR THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE, UM, UH, AT THE TIME OF CREATING THE, THE OFFICE POLICE OVERSIGHT AND THE BOARD, IT WAS ACTUALLY CHIEF HALL THAT RECOMMENDED THAT, UM, UH, TO INCLUDE ADMINISTRATIVE POWER WHERE IT, THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO WORK, AND WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION.
IT WAS NOT PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
AND THAT WAS FOR THE PURPOSES OF, AND THIS IS ACCORDING OF MY INTERPRETATION, BUT WHAT I REMEMBER WAS WE WENT, IT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE, UH, WE WERE WANTING TO GET THE ORDINANCE PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IT TOO TECHNICAL AT THE TIME.
ONCE THE DIRECTOR IN THE OFFICE WAS A REALITY, WE COULD COME BACK AND ADD THESE THINGS TO THE ORDINANCE.
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WE GOT A LOT OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS AS A BOARD THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.BUT THE INTENTION WAS THAT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOME KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST THAT WE CAN MAKE TO THE CHIEF.
THE CHIEF WOULD THEN INSTRUCT THAT OFFICER TO COME SPEAK TO US.
SO, AND THAT WAS THE TRADE OFF FROM TAKING THE SUBPOENA POWER AWAY FOR SUBPOENAING OFFICERS.
AND THAT'S THE PART OF THE STORY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MISSING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON US TO PRESS FOR THAT TO, TO BECOME A REALITY.
UH, THE CITY MANAGER KNOWS ABOUT THIS.
IT WE JUST HAVE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT A REALITY.
DO OTHER BIG CITIES HAVE THIS KIND OF JUST VOLUNTARY POLICE PARTICIPATION ONLY? YES.
UM, A DIRECTOR, YOU, YOU, THE, YOU WENT TO THE CONFERENCE IN CHICAGO, WAS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO WHAT DID THEIR OVERSIGHT LOOK LIKE? THE CHICAGO OVERSIGHT? THEIRS WAS, THERE WAS A VAST DIFFERENCE IN THEIR BOARD AND HOW IT OPERATES.
SO THEY HAVE A LOT MORE AUTHORITY.
UM, THE BOARD NOT ONLY, UM, INVESTIGATES, BUT THEY ALSO ARE THE BODY THAT ISSUES THE, UH, WHATEVER ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINST THE OFFICER.
SO IT'S A, A VERY DIFFERENT, UH, BOARD THAN WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND DAL AND DALLAS AND CHICAGO IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE? CORRECT.
OUR, I DON'T KNOW THE POPULATION OF CHICAGO POLICE BE AROUND THE SAME SIZE.
LET'S, LET'S STAY, LET'S STAY ON ON, ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE'RE NO, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE NACO CONFERENCE.
AND THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS FOR THAT PART.
UM, LET'S JUST, IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE, THE MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE? OKAY.
MOVE ON TO THREE H, WHICH IS THE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, DID YOU WANT TO, UM, SO THE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH DPD ARE LISTED ON THREE H.
AND, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY OPPORTUNITIES LISTED HERE THAT ANY BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
AND I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE AVAILABLE DATES, UM, BY CONNECTING WITH, UH, DALLAS TRAINING DEPARTMENT DALLAS DPD TRAINING DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T HAVE THREE H SO IF, IF YOU CAN GIMME A COPY OF THAT, IF YOU COULD.
I'M, I'M GONNA ASK THIS QUESTIONS ALONG THE LINE OF, OF TRAINING, BECAUSE AT ONE POINT I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE TABLE THAT, UH, IN, IN, IN OUR DISTRICTS, IF A CRIME WAS COMMITTED THAT US AS COMMISSIONERS COULD GO OUT TO THAT PARTICULAR DEAL, LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN DID WITH THE SHOOTING.
UM, IS THERE ADDITIONAL TRAINING WE NEED TO DO TO START DOING THAT? SO WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN A PREVIOUS, UH, MEETING.
WAS IT THE, WAS IT LAST MONTH? OCTOBER? OCTOBER.
AND, UM, IT WAS STATED THAT ONLY THE DIRECTOR AND THE CHAIR ARE, UH, NOTIFIED WHEN THERE IS AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
UM, DO YOU RECALL ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS COMMUNICATED ON THAT TOPIC? NO, THAT WAS IT.
JUST THAT IN, IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE IT IS DPD HAS TO LET THE CHAIR AND THE, UH, OCPO KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN AN OFFICER INVOLVED, THAT THERE'S BEEN A CRITICAL INCIDENT.
IT'S A CRI CRITICAL INCIDENT REPORTING.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S NO OTHER, UM, THERE'S NO OTHER REQUIREMENT OR, UM, OR STIPULATION SAYING THAT YOU CAN OR CAN'T GO.
SO, SO THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE, YEAH.
IN MY DISTRICT AND DISTRICT TWO MM-HMM.
AND I'D LIKE TO, IF I'M GONNA BE ENGAGED, I NEED TO BE ENGAGED, RIGHT.
AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH MY COUNCILMAN AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING YOU GUYS.
'CAUSE IF THERE'S NO RULE TO SAY I CAN OR I CANNOT, OR IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL TRAINING, THEN THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING I'LL BE LOOKING AT REAL, REAL STRONGLY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A HOMICIDE OVER IN DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
AND, UM, AGAIN, NOT AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING NOTHING LIKE THAT.
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BUT I WANTED TO GO OUT THERE 'CAUSE I KNEW THERE'D BE A LOT OF, A LOT OF POLICE ACTIVITY.AND, UM, AND SO I WANTED TO GO OUT AND SEE HOW THE RESIDENTS WERE, UM, DEALING WITH ALL THAT.
RIGHT? SO I WENT OUT AND, AND TALKED TO 'EM AND THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE TELLING ME THAT IT'S LIKE, UM, THAT THEY WANT TO SEE MORE POLICE PATROL AND ACTIVITY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND SO, AND I TOLD THEM, I SAID, WELL, THIS IS, IT, IT'S KIND OF SURPRISING TO HEAR THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE, THE NARRATIVE IS, UM, THEY DON'T WANT POLICE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FRAZIER TOWN, TOWN COURTS, RIGHT.
AND SO, BUT WHILE I WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH RODENTS AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, AND, YOU KNOW, UPKEEP, MAINTENANCE, UM, EQUIPMENT.
AND, UM, I GOT THEIR NAMES AND NUMBERS AND, AND COORDINATED WITH MY COUNCILMAN TO HELP THEM WITH, WITH THAT.
SO, SO IT'S GOING OUT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF KEEP YOUR PULSE ON THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND THE INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE.
UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, YOU KNOW, DON'T MAKE YOURSELF, UM, BE BE AN OBSERVER, RIGHT? UM, DON'T, DON'T GO IN AND YOU'RE NOT GOING INTO THE CRIME SCENE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST BE VISIBLE AND BE AVAILABLE TO TALK.
I DID ALSO WANNA SHARE, UM, THAT WE DISCUSSED IN OCTOBER'S MEETING NUMBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, RIDE-ALONGS WITH DPD.
THERE IS A BACKGROUND CHECK THAT YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULING THE RIDE-ALONG.
UM, AND THEN, UM, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, YOU'RE, THE WHOLE BOARD IS INVITED TO GO TO IAD TO GET A TOUR AND, UM, OBSERVE WHAT THEY DO THERE.
I'VE D I'VE DONE THE RIDE ALONG IN DISTRICT TWO, BUT CRIME, THIS PART OF DISTRICT TWO JUST FOR A HEADS UP, IS DEEP EL AND WE KNOW HOW MM-HMM.
SO I GOT, I WANT TO GET MY HANDS AROUND 'CAUSE THERE'S NO RESIDENTS, WELL THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT'S A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES.
AND I JUST WANT TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE MY FEET ON THE GROUND AND I MAY EVEN ASK MY COUNCILMAN TO GO THE NEXT TIME WE, THERE'S A NEED TO GO THERE AND, 'CAUSE HE LIVES OVER THERE.
SO I PICK HIM UP AND WE GO MM-HMM.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHILE WE DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC AUTHORITY TO GO OUT THERE, THERE IS ALSO NO PROHIBITION FROM US GOING OUT THERE.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY DON'T, DON'T INTERJECT YOURSELF INTO WHATEVER'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, UM, LET THEM DO, LET THEM DO THEIR WORK.
UM, BUT WE CAN OBSERVE, WE CAN OBSERVE ALL YOU WANT.
YOU CAN TALK TO NEIGHBORS OR RESIDENTS OR WHATNOT.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ITEM THREE H.
THIS LIST OF TRAININGS, DOES THIS ANTICIPATE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BEING TRAINED ON THIS STUFF BY DPD? THOSE ARE AVAILABLE TRAININGS.
I, IT JUST, IT WASN'T CLEAR IN THE SENTENCE BEFORE, SORRY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THREE H? OKAY.
MOVING ON TO THREE I AND UPDATE ON THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS ON DIAMOND, DIAMOND ROSS, AND THE JEFFERSONS.
TERRY, COULD I, COULD I, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THAT, I JUST HAD A COMMENT ABOUT, SO THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH DPD ABOUT, UM, IN YOUR, IN THE, EITHER IN YOUR MEETINGS OR JUST FOLLOW UP WITH DPD.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY, LIKE THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY THAT THIS BOARD PROVIDES FOR THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THEM, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR DPD TO COME BEFORE US AND GIVE A PRESENTATION TO US WHERE THE CITIZENS THAT ARE WATCHING CAN GO AND SEE AND HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AS WELL.
LIKE, UM, ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL THINGS THAT THIS BOARD HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO SINCE IT'S BEEN AROUND IS TO GIVE THE CITIZENS A WINDOW INTO HOW DPD OPERATES LIKE IT'S NEVER HAD BEFORE, HISTORICALLY IN THIS CITY.
SO I THINK IT ROBS THEM OF AN OPPORTUNITY, NOT INTENTIONALLY LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT IT ROBS THEM OF AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE SAY, OH, WE'LL GO CHECK IT OUT AND GET THAT INFORMATION AND GIVE IT BACK TO THE BOARD, THEY SHOULD COME TO US AND PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO US, UH, THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, UM, UM, IN A FORMAT THAT CAN THEN BE PUBLIC RECORD, YOU KNOW, UM,
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TO THE CITIZENS.SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD BE EMOTION OR NOT, BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD BE REQUESTING THAT THEY COME TO US, TO THE BOARD AND MAKE A PRESENTATION WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT WE REQUESTED, AS OPPOSED TO YOU GETTING THE INFORMATION AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK TO US, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THERE WERE TWO THINGS WE MENTIONED YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM.
SO WE NEED AN UPDATE, A PUBLIC UPDATE THAT THE CITIZENS, YEAH.
SO, UH, DON'T, ALRIGHT, SO MAYBE I DIDN'T, UM, YEAH, IT CLEARLY DIDN'T MAKE IT CLEAR.
UM, SO WHEN I GO AND TALK TO THE CHIEF AND I TALK TO HIM ABOUT EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, IT'S NOT GONNA JUST BE FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST FOR MY OWN PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE.
UM, THE POINT IS TO BRING IT UP AND ASK HIM IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO COME AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMEONE PRESENT TO US, UM, A BRIEFING AND MAYBE IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP, MAYBE THEY PROVIDE US A, A BRIEFING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IN OUR AGENDA, RIGHT.
THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH AND MAYBE THEY HAVE SOMEONE ONLINE THAT WE CAN TALK TO.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT, UM, SO YEAH, SO EARLY WARNING SYSTEM IS ONE.
UH, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WE HAD, UH, WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THE GENERAL ORDERS AND THE SOP AROUND IA, THE IA PROCESS.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN BE PRESENTED TO US AS A BOARD AND IT CAN BE ON PUBLIC RECORD AND THE COMMUNITY CAN BE A PART OF US LEARNING ABOUT IT AS WELL.
CHUNG, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 5 0 1 WITH THE, THE INTERNAL, EXTERNAL AND PUBLIC INTEGRITY? YEAH, IT'S COMPLEX.
UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO HAD TO LOOK AT IT AND GO THROUGH IT MYSELF PERSONALLY, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PRESENT IT, IT'S WORTHY.
BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE WORTHY OF A PRESENTATION THAT'S PRESENTED TO US AS A BOARD.
THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE DO NEED THAT INFORMATION AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF OUR QUESTIONS.
LET'S GO ON TO, UH, THREE I, WHICH WAS THE STATUS OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS ON DIAMOND ROSS AND THE JEFFERSONS DIRECTOR.
YES, THE DIAMOND ROSS CASE REMAINS IN LITIGATION AND MR. WILLIAMS WILL BE PROVIDING A UPDATE ON THE JEFFERSON CASE INVESTIGATION.
THE BOARD MEMBERS TURN MY VIDEO ON.
UM, MR. TENARIS JEFFERSON'S, UM, COMPLAINT IS AN INVESTIGATIONAL REVIEW.
UM, THIS, UM, INCIDENT OCCURRED ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2023.
UM, IT'S BEEN INVESTIGATED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION AND THERE'S NINE OFFICERS INVOLVED.
UM, PREVIOUS MATERIAL WAS SENT TO THE BOARD AHEAD OF TIME, SO I I WILL GO TO THE COMPLAINT INVESTIGATIONS.
HIS STATEMENT, MR. JEFFERSON'S STATEMENT, EVERYTHING I WROTE IS PRETTY MUCH SOLID OF THE WAY THAT MY COMPLAINT IS AND WHAT HAPPENED TO US, US BOTH INCIDENTS IN BOTH INCIDENTS.
IT HAS NOT, UM, BEEN, IT IS BEEN SINCE JUNE, BUT THEY, BUT THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION ON MY TRUCK BEFORE THEY STOLE IT.
SO THE, THE SITUATION IS MR. MR. JEFFERSON AND HIS MOM HAD A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAD SOMEONE KEEPING THEIR TRUCKS AND THEIR TRUCKS WERE, UH, MISUSED.
UM, THEY GOT THE POLICE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COME OUT.
UM, AND WHEN THE OFFICERS CAME OUT, UM, THEY ASSISTED IN THE SITUATION PROFESSIONALLY.
AND MR. JEFFERSON, UM, HAS THREE COMPLAINTS OF THAT SITUATION.
SO THE FIRST COMPLAINT IS, EXCUSE ME, ALLEGATION.
THE FIRST ALLEGATION IS OFFICERS FAILED TO, TO INVESTIGATE AN UNAUTHORIZED USE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE OFFICER, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND ITS INVESTIGATIONAL REVIEW OF ALL INFORMATION GATHERED.
YOU'RE GONNA CLASSIFY HIS FIRST ALLEGATION OF OFFICERS FAILED TO INVESTIGATE AS A NON-SUSTAINED CLEAR BY BODY-WORN CAMERA, WHICH I WILL SHOW, UM, AT THE END OF, UM, THE SUMMARY.
HIS SECOND ALLEGATION, 'CAUSE HE HAS THREE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WAS THE UNPROFESSIONALISM OF THE OFFICERS WHEN GATHERING INFORMATION FROM MR. JEFFERSON AND HIS AND HIS MOM, HIS MOTHER.
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AND, AND TO THAT ALLEGATION, WE ALSO FIND THAT THE OFFICERS WERE PROFESSIONAL WHEN DEALING WITH MR. JEFFERSON AND HIS AND HIS MOTHER.AND THE BODY-WORN CAMERA OF FOOTAGE FROM THE OFFICERS WERE CLEAR THAT, AND SO THAT IS A NON-SUSTAINED ALLEGATION ON NUMBER TWO.
THE THIRD AND LAST ALLEGATION THAT MR. JEFFERSON HAS IN THIS CASE IS MY THIRD COMPLAINT IS AGAINST THE OFFICER, AGAINST THE ASSIGNED DETECTIVE.
WHEN GETTING MY CASE, I REACHED BACK TO HIM A COUPLE TIMES STATING MY EMAIL AND OTHER AVENUES TO REACH ME SO I CAN ASSIST IN GETTING MY CASE DONE.
THE DETECTIVE MADE NO ATTEMPTS TO FIND AN ALTERNATE MEANS TO HELP ME ASSIST ME BEFORE MY CASE WAS CLOSED.
DURING OUR, UM, O CPO'S INVESTIGATE INVESTIGATIONAL REVIEW OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, WE FIND THE THIRD ALLEGATION AS NON-SUSTAINED OFFICERS CLEARED BY BODY-WORN CAMERA.
UM, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION SUMMARY, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED YOUR COMPLAINT SUBMITTED ON APRIL 3RD, 2023.
AFTER REVIEWING THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, YOU'RE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
AS A RESULT, IT IS DETERMINED NO INVESTIGATION IS WARRANTED.
SO THERE'S BEEN NO INVESTIGATION THAT, UM, AS FAR AS DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, IAD IS CONCERN.
SOME OF THE, THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CASE FROM MR. FROM MR. JEFFERSON'S CASE IS THAT DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS, EXCUSE ME, OFFICE COMMITTEE POLICE OVERSIGHT USE THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION OFFICER'S, BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, COMPLAINTS, INTERVIEW STATEMENTS, PHOTOS, AND INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE COMPLAINT.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL PLAY THE VIDEO AND, UM, OUR OFFICE, THE OFFICE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IS FOUND ALL THREE OF MR. JEFFERSON'S ALLEGATIONS AGAINST DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS AS NON-SUSTAINED, CLEARED BY BODY-WORN CAMERA.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER MORE WELCOME TO ASK, UH, ANSWER.
PROVIDE CASE NUMBER TO YOUR CAPTAIN.
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A CASE NUMBER.
I DUNNO IF THAT IS, UH, EXPLAIN THIS INCIDENT REPORT.
ALRIGHT, YOU GUYS HAD A SIMPLE MATTER GOING ON.
ALRIGHT? THEY TOLD US THEY WIRED YOU MONEY, YOU TOLD US THEY WERE WORKING ON YOUR VEHICLE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGREEMENT WAS ON THE, ON THE SERVICES EXACTLY, BUT THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO HAVE IT, HAVE IT OVER OR NOW IF THEY HAVE DAMAGE TO IT, YOU HAVE TO FILE WHATEVER LAWSUIT, SEAL OR WHATEVER YOU GOT WITH IT.
ALL YOU GUYS HAVE IS A SILVER TRAILER.
YOUR TRAILER WAS WITH THAT TRUCK, RIGHT? THE TRAILER'S NOT WITH THE TRAILER.
JUST, JUST NOW I SPOKE DO YOU HAVE A VIN NUMBER FOR THAT TRAILER? I HAVE IT.
SO WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT TRAILER.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF.
WE'LL, WE'LL, LEMME LET MY LIEUTENANT
SO THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A CASE NUMBER ALSO SO YOU CAN PULL THE REPORT.
I JUST NOTIFIED YOUR DEPARTMENT TO LET THEM JUST KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
SO, SO HE KNEW I WAS AT, I CAUGHT HIM BEFORE I, HEY, I THINK MY TRAILER, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT ON OUR END, IF YOU COME HERE AND LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO COME OVER HERE AND ADDRESS ANYTHING, GOT CIVIL WHEN IT STARTS BEING HERE AND CALLED US AT THE START.
SIR, I CAN, I CAN I CAN I CAN I SPEAK FOR A SECOND, SIR? UH, YOU SAID I DID.
SO WHEN I GOT THERE IMMEDIATELY I CALLED, I CALLED YOU GUYS WHERE YOU GOT THERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO HAVE YOU GUYS OUT THERE FOR I GUESS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.
YOU, Y'ALL GOT 180 AND THE CIVIL, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M POINTING OUT TO YOU.
UM, AND THE, I ALSO WANNA ADDRESS THAT.
YOU SAID THE PEOPLE WERE FOLLOWING YOU, THE MAN AT THE LOCATION, HE STATED THAT THE PEOPLE WERE LEAVING OUT THE LOCATION AND THEY WERE IN A 18 WHEELER.
AND THAT PROBABLY GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT SOMEBODY WAS FOLLOWING THEM.
SIR, I WOULDN'T SAY SITTING HERE LYING.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE LYING.
I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, FOLLOW UP BECAUSE YOUR MOTHER WAS CONCERNED
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ABOUT, SIR, I, I, I, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S EVEN, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, AND I DIDN'T GENUINELY FEEL LIKE I WAS A DRIVER.I WOULD'VE NEVER LEFT LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE YOU DID PLAY ON THE CALL WHEN THE NINE ONE DISPATCH SAID, HEY, DO YOU NEED GUYS TO, YOU NEED AN ASSIST? I SAID, OH, WE'RE FINE.
I SAID, AND I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS AWESOME.
WHEN THEY STARTED RUNNING UP ON ME QUICK AND THE CARS WERE SPEEDING OUT, AND I ASKED YOU, HEY, WHO ARE THOSE GUYS? AND SOMEBODY GOES LIKE THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE GUYS ARE.
SO IT'S KIND OF, THAT'S, THAT'S YOU.
SO THAT THE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, THEY'RE LEAVING THE LOCATION.
SO THE OFFICERS THERE, THEY'RE GONNA COME TOGETHER WITH WHAT THEY HAVE UP THERE AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A REPORT AND REPORT WITH YOU ON THIS NUMBER.
YOUR VIN NUMBER YOU GAVE IT TO OFFICER FILE.
OFFICER FILE IS GONNA MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT REPORT.
SO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT I SAID IT WAS A CIVIL MATTER? YES, SIR.
SIR AND I, AND I'LL USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO IF YOU BUYING THE CAR, RIGHT? SOMEBODY MADE AN AGREEMENT TO BUY A CAR.
YOU, THEY PURCHASED IT TO GO THROUGH, BUT THEN THEY END UP TAKING THE CAR THAT'S STILL A SILVER MATTER IF THE CAR IS GONE, THE TRIP.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HOW'D THEY TAKE THE CAR? SO SAY LIKE, SO THEY, DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS IF THEY GOT THE KEY, BUT THEY, DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS? IF THEY HAD THE KEYS TO WHAT? DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS? THEY, I I UNDERSTAND SIR.
I WANT TO HEAR YOU SAY IT TO ME NOW.
DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS? THEY HAD THE KEYS, SIR.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO NO, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
BECAUSE YOU KEEP SPIT MISSING THAT ONE LITTLE WORD THAT I'M SAYING TO YOU.
YOU'RE SAYING THEY HAVE THE KEYS AND I DID, AND I'M SAYING TO YOU, DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS? THAT IS A YES OR THAT IS A NO.
SO IF I GO TO A CAR DEALERSHIP AND THEY GIMME THE KEYS TO TEST RIDE A VEHICLE AND YOU LOOK AT A VEHICLE, IS THAT, IS THAT STEALING A VEHICLE? SIR, HOLD ON FOR JUST A SECOND.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU ONE MORE SIGN.
THAT'S ALL I WANNA TO HEAR YOU SAY.
BUT CAN I ASK YOU QUESTION WHEN YOU GIVE SOMEONE THE KEY NOW MY TURN.
SIR, WHEN YOU GIVE SOMEONE THE KEYS, THEY HAVE NOW YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM PEER CUSTODY AND CONTROL OF YOUR VEHICLE.
NOW, IN THREE DAYS, IF THEY HAVE NOT RETURNED IT, YOU WANT THAT VEHICLE BACK, YOU CAN DO A, UH, WHAT'S THE, THE DAYS, SIR? THREE DAYS.
YOU CAN DO A, YOU CAN SEND 'EM A LETTER, A NOTICE LETTER FOR THEM TO RETURN YOUR KEYS, OKAY? BUT IT'S NOT A THEFT ONCE YOU GIVE THEM CARE, CUSTODY, AND CONTROL OF YOUR VEHICLE.
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I GOT YOU, SIR.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO? NO, THAT'S A CIVIL MATTER.
OKAY, MR. WILLIAMS, ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OFFICER CLEARLY EXPLAINS IN THE BODY-WORN CAMERA THAT THIS IS A CIVIL MATTER OFFICER.
COMMUNITY PEACE OVERSIGHT FINDS MR. JACKSON'S CASE I 20 23 3 1 7 AS A CIVIL MATTER AND NO OFFICER MISCONDUCT WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. APPRECIATE IT.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, MR. BA FROM D FIVE.
YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE HI, THE KIMBERLY JEFFERSON PORTION OF THIS COMPLAINT.
UH, HIS MOTHER, UH, SHE HAD A COMPLAINT RELATED TO BEING ARRESTED AS WELL, AND HOW SHE WAS ARRESTED.
IS THAT PART OF THIS WRITEUP OR AM I MISSING IT? OKAY, SO WHEN, WHEN THE, THE JEFFERSON'S PUT THEIR COMPLAINT INTO THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THEY, THEY KIND OF INTERMINGLED THEM.
SO MR. JEFFERSON HAS A, A DIFFERENT CASE FROM MS. JEFFERSON, HIS MOM.
UM, AND SO WE ARE STILL TRYING TO RECEIVE, TO RETRIEVE INFORMATION OF HER CASE.
UM, MR. MR. MR. JEFFERSON'S CASE HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN CLEARED, BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ALL THE INFORMATION.
AND WE, UM, OUR DIRECTOR IS GETTING THE INFORMATION FOR MS. KIMBERLY'S CASE, WHICH IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT CASE, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE MIXED UP IN INTO ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, MOTHER AND FATHER, EXCUSE ME, MOTHER AND SON.
SO, UM, THE CASES ARE, ARE TWO DIFFERENT CASES.
SHE HAS A DIFFERENT CASE FROM HIS, EVEN THOUGH THEY, UH, MENTIONED THE SAME THINGS IN THEIR, UM, ALLEGATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THREE I FROM BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. APPRECIATE IT.
HONOR, I MAKE A SMALL STATEMENT.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO THANK THE BOARD AND ITS MEMBERS AND THE CHAIRMAN AND ALL WHO HAVE BEEN, UM, HERE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
AS, AS I'VE BEEN YOUR SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, AS I MOVE INTO A POSITION OF SENIOR
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COMMUNITY SPECIALIST, UM, I'LL BE WORKING MORE IN THE COMMUNITY.AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR TIME FOR READING MY REPORTS.
UM, WE'VE COVERED WELL OVER 33 OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, COVERED MORE THAN 11 DEATH IN CUSTODY, SO YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOURSELF.
WE, WE PRODUCED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS FROM JUST GOING OVER AND INVESTIGATING WELL OVER, UM, A THOUSAND COMPLAINTS IN THREE YEARS AND BRINGING THOSE MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO THE BOARD.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL YOU GUYS' TIME AND EFFORT AND WHAT YOU DO FOR THE BOARD.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU AS BEING THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND MOVING ON TO MY POSITION AS, UM, A SENIOR COMMUNITY SPECIALIST.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU WILLIAMS. APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR US.
BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MOVING ON TO THREE J, THE OLE CONFERENCE, DIRECT DIRECTOR CHAIR, UH, MR. WILLIAMS AND I ATTENDED THE, UH, 29TH ANNUAL NACO CONFERENCE, UM, FROM NOVEMBER 12TH THROUGH THE 16TH IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.
UM, THERE WERE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ENTITIES PARTICIPATED IN THE NICOLE CONFERENCE, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL, UH, SIMILAR BOARDS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS A NATIONAL CONFERENCE.
SOME OF THE, UH, AT LEAST ONE OF THE, UH, MEETINGS WERE CANCELED BECAUSE, UH, ONE OF THE PRESENTERS CAME FROM SIERRA LEON AND WAS IT UNABLE TO ATTEND? SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW, YOU KNOW, WORLD SPREAD.
THIS CONFERENCE WAS, UM, A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION WAS SHARED.
UM, I THINK MY MAJOR TAKEAWAYS WERE THE DIFFERENCES AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BOARDS THAT, UH, WE HAVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND, UM, I WOULD SAY ALSO IN SOME OF THE PUSHBACK THAT BOARDS AND OFFICES SUCH AS OCPO HAVE FACED WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, STATE LEGISLATION AND THINGS TO BE AWARE OF.
UM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE WERE SOME OF THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAYS THAT I HAD.
I THINK THAT MR. WILLIAMS WANTED TO SHARE INFORMATION, UH, RELATED TO THE, UH, UH, STAPLED ITEM THAT I PROVIDED.
SO, MR. WILLIAMS, UM, PLEASE SHARE.
SO THE NIKO CONFERENCE IN, IN CHICAGO, UM, THE THI THE THEME OF THE CONFERENCE IS DOING, BUILDING A BETTER OVERSIGHT.
SO THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UM, PARTICULAR TRACKS YOU CAN BE IN.
ONE IS THE COMMUNITY TRACK, COMMUNITY TRACK AND OVERSIGHT.
WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, SITUATIONS LIKE PEOPLE GETTING KILLED BY THE POLICE OR PUBLIC RECORDS AND HOW, HOW COMMUNITIES CAN REPRESENT AND GET YOUR PUBLIC RECORDS.
THEN ADD TRACK TWO IN BUILDING A, A BETTER OVERSIGHT HOW POLITICS AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING IMPACT OVERSIGHT, A CASE STUDY OF ROAD TO INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS WHERE THEY'RE, UM, CHICAGO, UM, COPA, WHICH IS A LARGE OVERSIGHT.
THEY HAVE OVER 154 INVESTIGATORS.
EVERYBODY, 97% OF THE STAFF THERE ARE INVESTIGATORS.
UM, THEY REQUIRE 1% OF THE, THE CITY BUDGET.
SO 1% OF THE CITY BUDGET FOR THEIR OFFICE IS $15 MILLION.
SO THEY GET A, A PERCENTAGE OF EVERY CITY BUDGET.
UM, THE, THE MOST CLASSES THEY ENTER ENTER INTEREST ME WERE TAPPING, UM, EQUITY AND POLICING ONE STEP AT A TIME, ELIMINATING THE TERM EXCITE, EXCITED DELIRIUM.
SO A LOT OF THE OFFICERS ARE DEALING WITH, POLICE OFFICERS ARE DEALING WITH, UM, THIS WORD OR THIS TERM, EXCITED DELIRIUM.
AND WE WERE GIVING EXAMPLES BY BAY AREA, RAPID RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM, WHICH IS BART.
UM, THEY, THEIR OFFICERS NO LONGER USE THAT AS, UM, A SITUATION TO STUNT OR OR HOLD OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE ANYMORE.
SO WE GOT, UM, OFFICIAL ACTIONS FROM, UM, THE AMERICAN BOARD OF, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE, WHERE AM I LOOKING AT HERE? A P'S POSITION STATEMENT ON POLICE INTERACTIONS WITH PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESSES AND A P'S
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POSITION.AMERICAN'S, UM, PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION THAT ACUTE MEDICAL CONDITIONS, INCLUDING DELIRIUM, ALWAYS REQUIRE APPROPRIATE MEDICAL RESPONSE.
THEREFORE, IT IS A POSITION OF THE A PA THAT THE TERM EXCITED DELIRIUM IS TOO SPECIFIC AND MEANINGFUL DESCRIBED TO CONVEY INFORMATION ABOUT A PERSON EXCITED DELIRIUM SHOULD NOT BE USED UNTIL A CLEAR SET OF DIAGNOS DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA OR VALIDATED.
SO THE BIG THING THAT CAME OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PRESENTATION IS THAT AN INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE UNDERTAKEN OF CASES LABELED WITH CITED DELIRIUM TO IDENTIFY THE TERM IS HOW THE TERM IS BEING USED, WHETHER CONSISTENT CRITERIA BEING APPLIED, AND WHETHER IT HAS ANY VALIDITY AS A MEDICAL SYNDROME.
SO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS NOW TAKEN EXCITED DELIRIUM OUT OF ALL THEIR POLICE MANEUVERS, YOU CAN NO LONGER ARREST OR DETAIN OR, UH, USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO, UM, TO DETAIN OR, UM, ARREST A PERSON.
EXCITED DELIRIUM HAS BEEN ELIMINATED FROM THE LAW IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, UM, BY THE GOVERNOR.
AND SO THAT'S PARTICULARLY WHAT CAME OUT OF, UM, THE NACO CONFERENCE.
IT WAS WELL OVER, UM, 600 PEOPLE ATTENDING THE CONFERENCE IS REALLY PACKED.
UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS AND UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER.
OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FROM DIRECTOR OR MR. WILLIAMS. ARE THERE ANY VIDEO TRAININGS OR ANYTHING THAT WE CAN VIEW FROM NAL COLE? THERE ARE, UH, VIDEO TRAININGS THAT ARE OFFERED ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS FROM NA COLE AND I CAN MAKE THE BOARD AWARE WHEN THOSE TRAININGS ARE PRESENTED AND SHARE THOSE.
UM, YOU WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO COME INTO THE OFFICE IN ORDER TO VIEW THEM, UM, BUT THEY CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT THEN, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
UM, WE'VE HAD ACCESS TO THE NACO TRAINING FROM OUR OWN HOME COMPUTERS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST.
I ATTENDED NA NACO CONFERENCE LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT EVEN BEFORE THAT I WAS, WE USED TO GET EMAILS ALL THE TIME ABOUT THIS NA CO TRAININGS COMING UP AND WE COULD JUST GO IN AND SIGN ON BECAUSE EACH ONE OF US WERE AUTHORIZED TO DO SO.
SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT.
UM, I AM NEW TO NICOLE AND I'M NOT CURRENTLY A MEMBER.
I DID ATTEND THE CONFERENCE, BUT, UH, THE WAY, TO BE QUITE HONEST, THE WAY THE BILLING IS SET UP, IT ENDS AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO I WAS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS YEAR SO THAT I WOULD RECEIVE THE COMMUNICATIONS, BUT THEN I WOULD BE PAYING THE FULL YEAR FOR ONE MONTH.
SO MY GOAL WAS TO WAIT UNTIL JANUARY ONE AND PAY FOR THE NEXT YEAR, AND THEN I WILL RECEIVE THOSE NOTIFICATIONS OF THE TRAININGS AND I CAN COMMUNICATE IT TO THE BOARD.
AND BECAUSE I'M NOT A MEMBER AND I HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED IN THE TRAININGS ONLINE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE SHAREABLE.
SO THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO COME INTO THE OFFICE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE FACT.
AND IT APPEARS THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE TRUE.
SO IF THEY ARE SHAREABLE, UM, TO YOUR PERSONAL, UM, EMAIL ADDRESSES, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
DOES THE CITY PROVIDE FOR A MEMBERSHIP FOR THE BOARD? UM, I DON'T, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE, UH, THE BUDGET WOULD PROBABLY, THE EACH, UH, MEMBERSHIP IS ABOUT $500.
UM, THERE, THERE MAY BE A WAY TO DO AN, AN OFFICE, UM, MEMBERSHIP THAT WAY IT'S NOT TIED TO YOU PERSONALLY.
BUT, UM, IF I RECALL, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN AT LEAST A YEAR SINCE I LOOKED AT NICKLE NOW, BUT, UH, I CAN REVIEW IT AGAIN.
I DID GO IN AND LOOK AT IT, AND I DON'T RECALL SEEING, UM, A GROUP.
IT WAS FOR THINK IT WAS MEMBERSHIP FOR THE OFFICE.
SO MAYBE WHEN I PROCEEDED THROUGH THE REGISTRATION, MAYBE IT ALLOWS TO ADD PEOPLE AS THE OFFICE.
SO I GUESS I, I'M JONATHAN MAPLES.
I GUESS MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION IS THIS, BECAUSE, UM, DALLAS IS A BIG CITY, IT SOUNDS LIKE OTHER BIG CITIES WERE REPRESENTED AT AT THIS CONFERENCE.
SO I'M, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, AND AND YOU SAID ONE OF THEM HAD, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CITIES, 1% OF THE BUDGET WAS HOW MUCH? 15 MILLION IS WHAT YOU SAID? I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR BUDGET IS, BUT I'M SURE IT'S NOT 15 MILLION.
'CAUSE IF IT WAS, WE COULD DO A WHOLE LOT MORE WHOLE, VERY, VERY FAST.
UM, BUT HOW DO WE STACK UP, DO YOU THINK, AGAINST SOME OF THOSE OTHER CITIES? OR, OR,
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OR HAVE YOU NOT BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT? 'CAUSE MR. WILLIAMS, COULD YOU TELL US, BE HONEST? UM, WELL, EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR YEAR, YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THE NACO, UH, WEBSITE.ALSO, YOU ALSO HAVE ACCESS, UM, BECAUSE THE LAST DIRECTOR MADE EVERYBODY A MEMBER OF, OF NACO.
SO I WOULD CHECK YOUR STATUS WITH NACO.
SOME OF YOU, IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING SOME OF THE SEMINARS, YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE A, UM, OVERSIGHT PRACTITIONER.
AS, AS I WAS GIVEN MY CERTIFICATE AT THE NACO CONFERENCE FROM FINISHING, UM, WELL OVER, I, I BELIEVE IT'S 80 HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORTH OF VIDEOS.
ALL OF YOU GUYS ON THE BOARD CAN BECOME PRACTITIONERS.
IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, LIKE I SAID, FOR TWO YEARS, THEN YOU, YOU DO HAVE A NACO CARD, YOU SHOULD CALL NACO TO FIND OUT WHAT YOUR STATUS IS AND HOW MANY VIDEOS YOU HAVE.
THE VIDEOS CAN GO DIRECTLY TO, TO YOUR HOUSE, SO YOU CAN GET 'EM ON YOUR PHONE OR ON YOUR LAPTOP DIRECTLY FROM NACO.
YOU JUST HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR THE MEETINGS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, ADD IT TO YOUR CALENDAR.
SO WHEN THEY COME UP ONCE A WEEK, THEY, THEY STILL DO 'EM ONCE A WEEK, UM, ON VARIOUS TOPICS, YOU CAN TAKE THOSE PARTICULAR COURSES.
UM, AS FAR AS BUDGETARY, UM, COPA, WHICH IS THE OVERSIGHT FOR CHICAGO, LIKE I SAID, THEY GET 1% OF THE POLICE BUDGET, SO THAT, THAT EQUALS 15 MILLION FOR THEM.
BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WELL OVER 154 INVESTIGATORS, JUST, JUST INVESTIGATORS.
SO THEY HAVE A, UM, A VAST LOT OF, OF, UM, STAFF AND ALSO THEY HAVE, UM, A HEALTHY BUDGET TO WORK WITH.
SO IN, IN SAYING THAT, COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, WE JUST PROBABLY NEED TO GET THE STAFF IN HERE AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.
SO, SO OUR SHORTFALL ON STAFFING IS BECAUSE OF BUDGET.
UM, SO THE OFFICE OF O-C-C-P-O HAS HAD, UM, SHORTAGES IN THEIR STAFFING FOR SOME TIME.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BEEN BECAUSE OF BUDGET.
I WILL SAY THAT THE POSITION AS FAR AS PAY IS ALIGNED WITH EVERY OTHER OFFICE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, OUR POSITION TITLES ARE, UH, GENERAL.
SO THOSE POSITION TITLES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH A PAY RATE THAT IS, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD IN EVERY OFFICE OR DEPARTMENT THAT USES THOSE TITLES.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS WE HAVE, UM, OCPO DID LOSE ONE POSITION, UM, IN THIS BUDGET YEAR DUE TO THE POSITION NOT BEING FILLED.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE POSITIONS ARE FILLED AND, UM, THAT THEY DO REMAIN FILLED, OTHERWISE THERE IS RISK OF LOSING THOSE POSITIONS.
I HOPE THAT SOMEWHAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 1% OF THE POLICE BUDGET, AND HE MENTIONED THEY HAVE OVER A HUNDRED INVESTIGATORS.
I THINK THAT'S THE ROLE MR. WILLIAMS IS LEAVING FROM TO GO DO, UH, SENIOR COMMUNITY.
UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE TITLE IS, BUT JUDGING BY THIS AND JUDGING BY WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE DO HERE ON THIS BOARD, AND JUDGING BY WHAT OUR OFFICE LOOKS LIKE NOW, WE'RE WAY BEHIND THE CURVE.
I WOULD AGREE THAT, UM, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE ARE PERHAPS SIMILAR CITIES IN SIZE.
I WILL SAY THAT I DO THINK OUR CRIME IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY OF CHICAGO'S.
AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, UM, AND MR. WILLIAMS CAN, UH, COMMENT ON THIS.
THEY HAVE OVER A HUNDRED INVESTIGATORS, BUT MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU SHARE HOW MANY INVESTIGATIONS THIS OFFICE HAS CONDUCTED IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, APPROXIMATELY? YES.
WELL, I, I KNOW I, I'VE DONE WELL OVER THE HUNDRED HUNDRED INVESTIGATIONS IN THREE YEARS.
UM, THAT'S INCLUDING INVESTIGATIONS THAT THE BOARD, UM, HAS, UM, INITIATED AS WELL AS, UM, WHAT THE DIRECTOR HAS INITIATED.
AND, UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY ONE THAT YES, WE, WE, WE DO NEED SOME MORE INVESTIGATIVE STAFF IN HERE.
AND, AND TWO, THAT EVEN WITH ONE INVESTIGATOR FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE, WE STILL COULD USE SOME HELP IN INVESTIGATIONS.
UM, AS YOU WOULD NOTICE THAT, UM, THE
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UNITS THAT WE WORK WITH, I-A-D-S-I, UPIU, THEY HAVE COMPLETE UNITS.SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE LAST SET OF UNITS RIGHT NOW IN YOUR CAMERA.
SO YES, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE IN INVESTIGATIONS, AND IT'S BEEN MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M SURE THAT THAT IS A TASK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ABOVE MY PAY SCALE ONE.
BUT BEING IN THE POSITION OF INVESTIGATOR FOR THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, BATMAN NEEDS A ROBIN AND SHERLOCK HOLMES NEEDS A HORSE.
YEAH, I THAT I'LL LEAVE IT, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
AND I'M, I'M GONNA LET YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SEE YOU GO, BUT IT BREAKS MY HEART EVEN MORE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S NO CONTINGENCY PLAN.
THERE'S NOBODY BEHIND YOU WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE NOW FOR THAT POSITION.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, ADD JUST FOR CONTEXT IN CHICAGO, JUST FOR CONTEXT, THEY HAVE A HUNDRED SOME ODD INVESTIGATORS, BUT THEIR POLICE FORCE IS LIKE, UH, UH, THREE, IT'S ALMOST 12,000 POLICE OFFICERS.
SO, UH, I THINK A BETTER, UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT FOUR COMPARATIVE, UH, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CITIES LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOUSTON OR AUSTIN, EVEN IN TEXAS, IF YOU'RE JUST COMPARING TEXAS, RIGHT? UM, IN TEXAS, UH, IN AUSTIN, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A POLICE FORCE THAT'S LIKE, UM, I THINK A THIRD OF THE SIZE OF, OF, OF, UH, OF DPD, RIGHT? UM, AND THEY, AND, AND AS MR. WILLIAMS SAID, THEY HAVE A WHOLE UNIT, YOU KNOW, OF INVESTIGATORS.
UM, YOU LOOK AT, UH, A CITY, NEW ORLEANS, WHICH HAS A POLICE FORCE THAT'S A THIRD THE SIZE OF, OF DALLAS, THEY GOT A THREE FOUR STORY BUILDING
SHE WAS THE, UH, UH, INVESTIGATOR OVER USE OF FORCE, RIGHT? SO THEY HAD DIFFERENT INVESTIGATORS FOR DIFFERENT AREAS OF POLICE.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, I HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE OVER THE YEARS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THE DIRECTOR POSITION TO LOBBY FOR MORE MONEY AND, AND, AND FOR, UH, FOR STAFF TO BE FILLED.
BUT I REALLY THINK THAT'S OUR JOB AS THE BOARD.
LIKE WE HAVE TO BE COMMUNICATING TO OUR COUNCILS PERSON THAT APPOINTED US THAT, HEY, YOU NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THIS IN THE BUDGET ACCORDING TO STATE LAW.
WE CAN'T TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF DPDS BUDGET BECAUSE STATE LAW PREVENTS THAT.
UM, SO, BUT, UM, UH, POLICE UNIONS LOBBY TO NOT ALLOW US TO TOUCH THE POLICE BUDGETS, BUT WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT AND IT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED.
BUT PART OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND COMMUNICATING TO THEM THE CHALLENGES OF WHAT WE'RE HAVING.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB OF THAT.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS BOARD VERY CLOSELY THERE, A LOT OF YOU GUYS KNOW, FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT JOB IS BEING DONE WELL WHEN I GO TALK TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH US AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND WE, WE GOTTA DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT.
AND THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF ADVOCACY THAT WE HAVE TO DO AND, AND, AND TALKING WITH OUR COUNCIL PEOPLE TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND MAKE A REALITY SO THE STAFF CAN EVEN BE EVEN BIGGER AND CAN BE, UM, CONSIDERING THE BUDGET.
I JUST WANNA ADD THAT I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF HAVING MORE INVESTIGATORS.
I THINK THE REDUNDANCY OF HAVING, UM, AT LEAST ONE OTHER OR MORE THAN ONE INVESTIGATOR IS IMPORTANT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT WAS THE, MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW THIS.
WHAT WAS THE BUDGETED POSITION THAT WE LOST? BECAUSE IT WASN'T FILLED? YES.
UM, THAT WAS EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT, WHICH DOES A LOT OF THE BOARD INTERACTION AS FAR AS THE, THE PACKETS, THE BOARD PACKETS.
AND IS THAT TAYLOR'S OLD POSITION? YES.
WHY WASN'T, DO WE KNOW WHY THAT WASN'T FILLED? UM, IT WASN'T FILLED BECAUSE IT WAS THE NUM THE TIME THAT IT WAS VACANT.
SO POSITIONS THAT WEREN'T FILLED WITHIN A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME, THOSE POSITIONS WERE TAKEN.
I KNOW WHY I WAS TAKEN AWAY, BUT WHY WASN'T IT FILLED? I WAS, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WAS, THE POSITION WAS LOST PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL IN THE OFFICE.
HOW LONG DOES A POSITION HAVE TO BE VACANT BEFORE WE LOSE IT? HOW QUICKLY DO WE HAVE TO FILL THESE POSITIONS BEFORE WE LOSE THEM? UH,
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SO ALL DEPARTMENTS, UM, WENT THROUGH THE SAME REVIEW.I WOULD HAVE TO, IN ORDER TO SPEAK, UH, FIRMLY, I WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH BUDGET TO ASK WHY OR WHAT THE LENGTH OF TIME IS.
BECAUSE ACROSS THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ALL DEPARTMENTS AND OFFICES, ALL POSITIONS WERE EVALUATED.
AND THOSE POSITIONS THAT WERE VACANT AGAIN FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME WERE, UM, TAKEN BACK.
SO I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN IF THERE IS, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
I JUST KNOW IT HAPPENED ACROSS THE BOARD.
I HAD A COMMENT ABOUT NACO TOO.
UM, I DIDN'T GET TO GO THIS YEAR, BUT, UM, I'M A, I'M A MEMBER AND I THINK I'M CLOSE TO GETTING MY CERTIFICATION.
BUT, UM, UH, THEY ALSO DO TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TOO.
LIKE NACO IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT, UM, IF YOU CONTACT THEM, BEING THAT YOU'LL BE A MEMBER.
THERE'S SOME OF YOU ARE MEMBERS ACCORDING TO, UH, MR. WILLIAMS. UM, THEY, THEY PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, LIKE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE WANT ANSWERED, LIKE ABOUT HOW WE STACK UP ACCORDING TO OTHER CITIES, THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND ALSO PROVIDE US TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ON LIKE, POLICIES, PROCEDURES, HOW WE SET SOME OF THAT STUFF UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY'RE A REALLY GOOD RESOURCE WITH ALL THAT.
AND I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE OVERSIGHT PRACTITIONERS, Y'ALL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, BEING ON THIS BOARD.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE TAKING IT SERIOUS, YOU KNOW, REALLY CHECK OUT NACO AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO THE MEMBERSHIP AND DOING SOME OF THE TRAININGS IS REALLY GOOD.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE NACO TOPIC? SEEING NONE.
MOVING ON TO THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT, MR. GRIFFIN AND LEAD US OFF.
THE NOVEMBER, UH, RECEIVED 36 COMPLAINTS.
SO I HAVE LOOKED AT THESE NOVEMBER 2 0 2 3 COMPLAINTS.
THE ONE WHERE IT'S HEADLINED OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT COMPLAINTS.
NOVEMBER 2 0 0 2, 3 COMPLAINTS.
13 OF 'EM ARE LISTED AS NOT ARTICULATED.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT IT SAYS IT WAS REVIEWED BY OCPO.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SOME DETAILS.
NOW, I KNOW WE'RE LATE, AND I KNOW WE CAN'T GET IT TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE EMAILED DETAILS ON WHAT WAS NOT ARTICULATED THAT BECAUSE NOT ONE OF THESE IS REFERRED TO US AS A BOARD FOR ACTION TO SEE IF WE WANNA CALL FOR AN INVESTIGATION.
AND THIS IS A NEW TREND WE HAVE NOT HAD IN OUR PRIOR, WHAT, TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW LONG IT'S BEEN, UM, SINCE I STARTED.
I THINK THAT WAS OCTOBER OF, WAS THAT OCTOBER OF WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER.
BUT ANYWAY, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS BOARD BEING FORMED AND I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM, LIKE ON NOVEMBER THE FOURTH, IT SAYS LETTER SENT TO COMPLAINT AND ASKING FOR MORE INFO.
WELL, WHAT'S THE FOLLOW-UP PROCESS? I MEAN, UM, ARE, ARE WE FOLLOWING UP? ARE WE MAKING A PHONE CALL? BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, UM, WE USED TO HAVE AN INTAKE PERSON THAT MADE A LOT OF FOLLOW-UP PHONE CALLS TO GET US THE DETAILS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE SO UPSET, CONFUSED, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, DOING THE ONLINE COMPLAINT FORM.
SO DETAILS ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTANT ALLEGES DPD DID NOT PROPERLY INVESTIGATE HER CASE.
WHAT KINDA CASE I, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS.
UH, COMPLAINANT ALLEGES, OFFICERS STRUCK HER VEHICLE WITH A FLASHLIGHT.
YOU KNOW, HAVING NONE OF THESE REFERRED TO US WITHOUT DETAILS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
UM, SO TO RESPOND TO YOUR FIRST, I THINK, UH, QUESTION, UM, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, NOT ARTICULATED, YES, THANK YOU.
UH, WE RECEIVE SEVERAL EMAILS FROM INDIVIDUALS THAT, UM, MAKE REFERENCE TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SOME OTHER, WELL, THAT WOULDN'T BE NOT ARTICULATED.
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THAT WOULD BE A DPD OFFICER NOT INVOLVED.UM, BUT THERE ARE COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVE, UM, THAT THERE, THAT SOMEONE IS BEING WATCHED OR, AND IT MAY GO ON TO SAY THAT, UM, THERE'S A CONSPIRACY AND IT MAY CONTINUE ON TO GIVE INFORMATION THAT IS NOT REALLY IMPLICATING A DPD OFFICER OR A SPECIFIC SITUATION.
AND TYPICALLY WE RECEIVE THESE COMPLAINTS FROM THE SAME EMAIL ADDRESSES, UM, ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC SITUATION.
THERE'S NO CITY MENTIONED, THERE'S NO DPD OFFICER, AND IT IS, UH, INFORMATION THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T ARTICULATE WHAT THE BASIS OF THE COMPLAINT IS.
I HAVE, I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
IF THERE ARE REPEAT EMAIL ADDRESSES THAT SEND THESE, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE MENTAL ILLNESS REALLY DOES, WE GET A LOT OF MENTAL ILLNESS CALLS.
UM, I WOULD AND YOUR MEETING WITH THE VICE CHAIR, WHEN YOU MEET WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE, FIND OUT WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO DO ABOUT THOSE.
'CAUSE THOSE IMPACTING YOUR NUMBERS.
BUT WE ALSO AT THE CITY HAVE ANOTHER DIVISION, UM, A CRISIS RESPONSE.
AND I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE DIRECTOR, UM, OF THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND WE, I HAVE CONSIDERED, UM, WORKING WITH THAT DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO IN ORDER TO, UM, I GUESS CLOSE THE GAP IN WHATEVER MAYBE THAT PERSON MAY BE EXPERIENCING.
BUT I'VE ALSO, I BEEN GIVEN IT SOME THOUGHT BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T WANT TO INSINUATE AS NOT BEING A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL RIGHT.
THAT SOMEONE IS EXPERIENCING SOMETHING.
AND I ALSO DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT IF THEY COMPLAIN, I JUST DON'T WANT THE PERCEPTION TO BE THAT I'M GOING, THAT OUR OFFICE IS GOING TO REPORT THEM.
THEY'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT I'M GET THEM SOME ANSWERS.
GET THEM SOME ANSWERS SO THEY DON'T KEEP COMING BACK TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S SKEWING YOUR STATISTICS.
SO SOMEHOW THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO ADDRESS WHO DO WE HAND THIS OFF TO? WHO COULD GIVE AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE? MAYBE.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, BUT I THINK JUST NOT DOING ANYTHING LEADS THEM TO REPEAT, KEEP REPEATING.
WELL, I THINK IF I MAY, UH, I, SO IN MY EXPERIENCE, UM, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO CALL, THEY'LL CONTINUE TO FILE.
IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS.
I MEAN, WE HAD, WE HAD, WE USED TO HAVE, WE HAD A SECRETARY THAT SHE WOULD SPEND HER ENTIRE DAY NOT REALLY BEING THE SECRETARY FOR THE OFFICE, BUT JUST FIELDING PHONE CALLS FROM, UM, FROM RESIDENTS AND, AND, UM, SO WOULD IT BE EASIER IF THIS TURNED INTO MORE OF A, THESE ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING ON? WELL, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO GET IT IN A CHART FORM YEAH.
AND THEN WE WERE GIVEN THESE BRIEF DETAILS OVER HERE ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT WE GOT IT LIKE A, I MEAN, REMEMBER IT WAS LIKE AN SHEET, IT WAS LIKE AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET.
YEAH, I DO REMEMBER THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET.
SO WE GOT, WE GOT MORE SPECIFICS, BUT I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE WAS, UM, A LOT OF HANDOFF AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO GOT THOSE, UM, POTENTIAL MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS HANDOFFS, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT CAN WIND UP BEING A DPD ISSUE, RIGHT.
BECAUSE OUR DPD OFFICERS DEAL WITH A LOT MM-HMM.
AND I ALSO WANNA ADD THAT THESE, UH, COMPLAINTS ARE SENT TO DPD AS PART OF OUR WEEKLY MEETING.
UM, SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THE COMPLAINTS, BUT I DO, AS I MENTIONED, UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF A PASS, UM, PASSING IT OVER TO SOMEONE.
AND AS MENTIONED, UM, HAVE HAD CONVERSATION WITH THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF THAT OTHER AREA, BUT ALSO HAD SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT I WANTED TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE, JUST, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD WITH ACTION.
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UH, MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT? OKAY.IF WE COULD GET AN, AN EXPLANATION OF THE NEXT SET OF PAGE WHERE WE HAVE 11 WHERE IT SAYS MS. CHANDLER DISAGREED WITH OR HAD A QUESTION ABOUT AND THEY'RE BEING MONITORED.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOUR MONITORING PROCESS IS HERE? YES.
I THINK THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS ANOTHER POINT THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ON.
SO IF THERE IS A, UH, A CASE THAT, UM, THERE IS QUESTION ABOUT, UM, OR THAT WE WANNA FOLLOW UP ON, OR THAT IS A DIVISION REFERRAL OR AN INVESTIGATION, UM, WE DO HAVE A MORE DETAILED SPREADSHEET THAT WE USE IN THE OFFICE.
AND, UH, WE REVIEW WEEKLY WITH IAD AND WE CARRY THOSE ITEMS OVER AND ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER SPREADSHEET SO THAT WE CAN REVISIT WHAT THE OUTCOME IS OF THOSE EITHER INVESTIGATIONS OR DIVISION REFERRALS.
UM, WE WANNA KNOW DID THEY END IN CORRECTIVE ACTION TRAINING OR WHAT WAS THE END RESULT? UM, AND SO WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY FOLLOWING, UM, THOSE, UM, MONITORED INVESTIGATIONS AGAIN, OR DIVISION REFERRALS.
THERE ARE, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE TWO, I THINK THAT WERE CLOSED.
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE, UM, IAD SUFFICIENTLY ANSWERED WHATEVER QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY DIVISION REFERRALS WERE THERE IN NOVEMBER? UM, THEY ARE NOT ALL LISTED.
THE DIVISION REFERRALS WOULD BE LISTED IF THEY WERE DIVISION REFERRAL.
SO ALL OF THE DIVISION REFERRALS WE HAVE LISTED HERE.
THEY WILL BE, IF THEY'RE RENEWING THEM A REFERRAL, THAT INCOME MEMBER WILL BE ON THAT LIST AS AS WELL.
UM, YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE ONES THAT, UM, MADAM UH, DIRECTOR, UH, THERE WERE CASES THAT YOU HAD QUESTIONS AND YOU SPOKE WITH IAD AND THEY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS.
COULD YOU SHARE THOSE WITH US PLEASE? I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT COMES TO MIND.
UM, ONE OF THESE CASES, I CAN'T SAY I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE AND, BUT, UM, THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT MADE A COMPLAINT THAT THERE, UH, HAD, THAT THEY HAD INTERACTION WITH A DPD OFFICER THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
THIS INDIVIDUAL, UM, WAS BELIEVED TO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A DPD OFFICER.
AND SHE MENTIONED THAT SHE WAS INTIMIDATED AND SOME OTHER THINGS THROUGHOUT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS OFFICER.
AND THERE WAS A PREVIOUS CASE THAT I FELT WAS SIMILAR.
SO DIAD DECI, UH, DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE NOT GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT CASE BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL DID NOT FILE AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT.
AND AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT DOES REQUIRE A SIGNATURE.
AND THIS INDIVIDUAL DIDN'T WANT TO FILE AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT, BUT I RECALLED A PREVIOUS INCIDENT WITH ANOTHER OFFICER, UM, THAT WAS GOING THROUGH PERSONAL ISSUES, UM, WITH THEIR SPOUSE.
THEY WERE GOING THROUGH A DIVORCE, UM, ACCORDING TO THE COMPLAINT.
AND IN THAT SCENARIO, UM, THE PERSON WAS ALLEGING THAT THEIR HUSBAND WAS FILING, UH, COMPLAINTS NOT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT WITH ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AGAINST THEM.
AND SO THEIR COMPLAINT WAS, UM, THAT THIS PERSON BASICALLY WAS HARASSING THEM BY CALLING THE POLICE.
AND WE DID FOLLOW, UH, WE, AS THE CITY OF DALLAS DID FOLLOW UP ON THAT COMPLAINT.
AND SO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WAS A CALL.
AND SO I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WERE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT COMPLAINT, BUT WE WEREN'T FOLLOWING UP ON THIS COMPLAINT.
UM, SO I PRESSED THE ISSUE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEN WE WENT BACK AND FOUND THE OTHER COMPLAINT THAT CAME FROM ANOTHER CITY.
AND I DID, UM, IDENTIFY THAT THAT PERSON DID ACTUALLY SIGN A COMPLAINT, WHEREAS THIS PERSON DIDN'T.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE BEING TREATING THE SITUATIONS EVENLY.
AND, UM, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH I DID FIND THAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS THAT ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS WAS SIGNED AND ONE OF THEM WAS NOT.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S CONSISTENCY
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THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.AND I DID FIND THAT IAD WAS BEING CONSISTENT.
UM, I I CAN HEAR YOUR HR HAT SPEAKING
UM, THE ONE THING ABOUT THIS BOARD, OUR JOB IS OVERSIGHT.
AND IF WE DON'T SEE THE COMPLAINTS AND KNOW LIKE A DIVISION REFERRAL, THAT MEANS THE POLICE IS LOOKING AT IT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT 'CAUSE THE COMPLAINT CAME TO US, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
THAT'S OUR JOB AS THE BOARD AND NOT, I DON'T WANT IT FILTERED OUT.
SO NOT ALL COMPLAINTS COME TO OUR BOARD.
SO THEY SOME BUT WHEN ZERO COME.
AND AND THAT WAS, AND I WANNA SAY THAT WAS THE CASE.
THERE WERE ZERO COMPLAINTS FILED WITH, UH, WITH OUR OFFICE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THOSE ONES THAT ARE DIVISION REFERRALS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THOSE GO THROUGH THE INVESTIGATION PROCESS AT DPD.
AND IF THEY, IF LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THEY FIND IT, YOU KNOW, NOT SUSTAINED OR WHATEVER, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT, RIGHT.
SO, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE THESE 11, IS THAT RIGHT? SO THE DIVISION REFERRALS ARE USUALLY WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THE OFFICER MAY SIT STATE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.
AND SO USUALLY A DIVISION REFERRAL IS LIKELY TRAINING.
SO IT'S LIKE IF SOMEONE TELLS THEM THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR REPORT, UH, TELLS A CITIZEN THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR REPORT, UM, WITHIN 24 HOURS, BUT IT'S REALLY 72, THEN IT'S A RE DIVISION REFERRAL BACK TO THAT PERSON'S, UM, SUPERIOR OFFICER.
UM, THE KEY ONES ARE THE INVESTIGATIONS.
AND UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I AM ONLY THREE MONTHS INTO THIS BOARD.
UM, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE MORE INVESTIGATIONS THAN THERE HAD BEEN IN THE PAST.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENT.
BUT, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S ONLY THREE DIVISION REFERRALS, BUT THE REST OF THEM ARE INVESTIGATIONS.
WELL, UNFOUNDED, JUST THE FYI, I MEAN NOT NECESSARILY I IF I WOULD THAT WE NEXT MONTH.
SO BE OF THE, WHAT YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING, THERE WERE FIVE, WE DID HAVE FIVE REVIEWS THE BOARD THIS MONTH IN NOVEMBER.
THAT, THAT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT EARLIER IN JANUARY.
SO THAT MIGHT BE PART OF WHAT HERE THEY HAVE, SOME HAVE NOT WORKED IN THE PROCESS.
DP, CAN YOU PLEASE CUT ON YOUR MIC? THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS THROUGH DPD.
AND WHEN THEY WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS, LIKE THE DIVISION REFERRAL OR WHATEVER, AT THE OUTCOME OF THEIR INVESTIGATION, THEN THEY WILL BE DELIVERED.
THEY, THEY WILL BE SENT A NOTICE AND THEN AT THAT TIME, IF THEY OBJECT TO THE FINDINGS, THEN THEY WOULD COME FORWARD AND WE WOULD PRESENT THAT TO THE BOARD.
AND THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
THIS, IF, IF I'M INCORRECT, I'M STILL LEARNING.
BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND THAT'S THE WAY I PREPARED THIS, THIS MEETING GOING FORWARD.
UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF YOUR SUMMARIES? I, I HEARD THAT YOU WERE TALKING TO, UM, OR THAT, THAT THERE WAS A COMPLAINT BY SOMEONE WHO'S IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A DPD OFFICER, BUT SHE'S TOO SCARED TO FILE A COMPLAINT AND SIGN IT.
UM, I DIDN'T SAY THAT SHE WAS TOO SCARED TO FILE A COMPLAINT THAT THAT COULD BE THE CASE.
UM, BUT WHAT I SAID WAS SHE DID NOT FILE, UH, SHE DIDN'T SIGN IT OFFICIAL COMPLAINT BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T SIGN IT.
AND IT IS REQUIRED THAT THEY SIGN AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED A COMPLAINT.
WELL, CAN WE REACH OUT TO THE PERSON AND ASK HER IF EVERYTHING'S OKAY AND IF SHE WANTS TO SIGN IT AND LET HER KNOW THAT IF SHE DOESN'T SIGN IT THEN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
WE COULD REACH OUT TO HER AND ASK HER IF SHE WOULD, UM, TO LET HER KNOW THAT WE'RE IN RECEIPT OF HER COMPLAINT AND ASK HER IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO SIGN IT.
BECAUSE IT, I MEAN, IF, IF THIS IS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION, THEN THAT, I MEAN THAT'S A, SHE DIDN'T LET, WELL, YES.
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UH, DIDN'T MENTION ANY PHYSICAL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.UM, IT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS EMOTIONAL.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE COULD REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND ASK.
BUT ALS I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD KNOW ANYTHING.
NO, WHAT MS. CHANDLER CAN I, CAN I JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS.
AND AS I SAID, I, I DID TAKE THE TIME TO GO OVER AND SEE, UH, MAJOR ALLIES AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO IT OR AS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE INVITE HER TO, UM, UM, THE RETREAT TO EXPLAIN HOW THINGS GO FROM THEIR SIDE.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, ENLIGHTENING TO ALL OF US.
BUT THE, THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU SIT DOWN OVER THE INTERNET WITH THESE FOLKS AND YOU GO OVER THE COMPLAINTS AND YOU TRY AND IF YOU REACH A CONSENSUS LIKE MOST OF THESE ARE, THEN THAT CONCLUDES THE PROCESS AS IT'S HERE.
IF IT'S FOUND NOT TO BE SUBSTANTIATED, THE PERSON IS NOTIFIED.
AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO, THEY CAN FILE AN APPEAL TO US.
BUT YOU'VE SAT DOWN AND SATISFIED YOURSELF AS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO THE COMPLAINT THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF HAVING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND AS I MENTIONED, UM, IF I DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEN I DO THE DUE DILIGENCE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS UNTIL I FEEL LIKE MY QUESTIONS ARE SATISFIED.
AND SOMETIMES THAT DOES REQUIRE RESEARCH ON OUR PART AND MR. GRIFFIN, UM, ASSISTS WITH, UH, PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION, UM, LOOKING AT ANY VIDEOS AND THERE WERE, UM, CONSIDERABLE VIDEOS, UM, THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THIS CASE.
AND UM, JUST AS MANY OTHERS, UH, WE WATCH EVERY VIDEO THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THESE CASES, WHICH IS SEVERAL HOURS OF VIDEO.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A, A GOOD PROCESS.
MY, I I THINK WE SAW MORE, UH, QUESTION MARKS.
UH, AND THIS WAS MY IMPRESSION FROM TALKING TO FOLKS AT INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
BUT AGAIN, I'D LIKE, I I WOULD HOPE EVERYBODY WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT OR WE CAN GET MAJOR ALLEN HERE.
'CAUSE IT IS VERY ENLIGHTENING THAT IN THE PAST SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WOULD, THE MONITOR WOULD HAVE WOULD BE UNANSWERED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FOLLOW UP AND THERE APPEARED ON OUR REPORTS AS A QUESTION AS OPPOSED TO THE PROCESS.
NOW BEING THAT YOU TRY AND RESOLVE THESE BEFORE THEY GET ON THE REPORT HERE, OR YOU HAVE THEM AS YOU'RE STILL MONITORING IT.
AM AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I THINK THERE IS A REASON WHY WE'RE NOT SEEING SOME OF THE SAME REPORTS THAT WE SAW IN THE PAST.
THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION FROM ALL OF THIS.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT PART OF THE REASON IS THAT EVERY, EVERY WEEK, DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND MYSELF, WE SET IN A MEETING WITH IIDI PERSONALLY SEE EVERY COMPLAINT FROM, FROM, FROM FROM IAD AND OUR, OUR OFFICE.
I LOOKED THROUGH, GO THROUGH WHAT'S THE VIDEOS AND THEN WE SAT IN, IN THE MEETING WITH IAD AND WE, AND WE DISCUSSED THE COM THE COMPLAINTS TO, TO IRON OUT SOME OF THOSE DIFFICULTIES.
AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, DIRECTOR CHANDLER BRINGS THEM UP AND WE GO FORWARD FROM THERE.
AND THAT IS KIND OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THAT, THAT SINCE, AND, AND I'M, I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW IT WAS DONE BEFORE.
AND, AND I'M CERTAINLY OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS TO, TO FIGURE TO BETTER, BETTER HELP THE BOARD IN WHATEVER WAY POSSIBLE.
BUT THAT'S JUST THE PROCESS THAT, THAT I HAVE BEEN DOING AND I'M MORE THAN OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS TO, TO IMPROVE THAT PROCESS.
AND, AND THAT'S ALL I, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT PROCESS WAS IN, UM, PLACE PRIOR TO OUR ARRIVAL TO THE OFFICE.
THEIR WEEKLY MEETING WITH IAD HAS IS A CONTINUATION FROM WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JANUARY, TUESDAY, JANUARY 9TH.
UM, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IN HERE AND GET A QUORUM, WE WILL GET STARTED.
NEXT MONTH WE WILL HAVE THESE FIVE CASES THAT WERE PUSHED FROM
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TODAY'S AGENDA, UM, TO REVIEW.UM, IN THE MEANTIME YOU SHOULD BE KEEP YOUR LOOK FOR EMAILS FOR, UM, THE COMPLAINTS AND THE VIDEOS AND THEN BE READY TO DISCUSS THOSE ON JANUARY 9TH.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM.
MR. CHAIRMAN, NO ONE'S ONLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, CAN I GET A, A MOTION, I MOTION? I HAVE, I I HAVE A, I HAVE, YES, I HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE WE, UH, CLOSE OUT.
UM, SO I MISSED LAST MONTH BECAUSE I GOT THE, THE DATES WRONG, IT WAS ON MONDAY INSTEAD OF TUESDAY.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING, UM, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US THAT'S BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR A WHILE.
SO AS CHANGES ARE MADE TO DO THINGS MORE CONVENIENTLY FOR YOU TO DO IT YOUR WAY, AND THE SAME FOR YOU, PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, AND YOU HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES HERE TONIGHT, THAT THERE WE WERE USED TO DOING SOMETHING A CERTAIN TYPE OF WAY BECAUSE IT GAVE, IT GIVES MORE, UH, VISIBILITY.
IT HELPS US MAKE A BETTER DECISION.
AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANNA BE IN A, IN A POSITION TO WHERE, UM, LIKE TODAY I FELT LIKE LESS VIDEO, LESS INFORMATION AND NOT KNOWING IF, IF THIS IS BY DESIGN BECAUSE IT'S THE NEW WAY WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THINGS.
OR IS IT BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GOING THROUGH YOUR LEARNING CURVE? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE STILL GOING THROUGH YOUR LEARNING CURVE, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME THINGS THAT YOU WANNA DO YOUR WAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS BOARD TO BECOME, AND I GUESS THE, THE MO THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY THIS IS I DON'T WANT THIS BOARD TO BECOME A BLUE POLICE BOARD.
I DON'T WANT US JUST TO BE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS TO APPEASE THE POLICE AND NOT TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS BECAUSE WHAT'S RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG IS WRONG.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING TASKED TO DO.
SO AS THESE CHANGES ARE MADE, PLEASE INCLUDE US, LET US KNOW.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE BECAUSE SUGGESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR US, MAY WORK FOR US ALSO, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
SO I, I GUESS THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE WAY WE'LL JUST HAVE TO, TO WORK THINGS OUT AND THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.
AND SOME OF IT IS, UH, LEARNING PROCESSES AND SOME OF IT IS NOT BEING AWARE OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DELIVERED.
UM, I ALSO, THERE ARE SOME, UM, PROCESSES THAT NEED TO BE RE OR REFINED THAT WERE DONE PREVIOUSLY.
AND THERE MAY BE MORE DOTS THAT NEED TO BE CONNECTED.
AND SO WE ARE WORKING ON, UM, CONNECTING ALL OF THOSE DOTS.
UM, BUT OUR INTENTIONS ARE TO DELIVER THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE SAME INFORMATION.
UM, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO GO THROUGH MORE PROCESSES TO DELIVER THAT INFORMATION IN THE APPROPRIATE WAY.
BUT MORE PROCESSES IS NOT WHAT WE WANT.
BUT I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BE SILOED FROM THAT INFORMATION AND THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS, RIGHT.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN THOSE PROCESSES THAT ARE BEING CREATED, YOU KNOW, AS THIS, AS A BOARD.
UM, SO, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE LESS TRANSPARENCY NOW.
LIKE, LIKE IT'S A TREND TOWARDS LESS TRANSPARENCY.
AND AS SOMEBODY WHO FOUGHT REAL HARD TO MAKE ALL THIS A REALITY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M NOT GONNA STAND FOR THAT AS A BOARD MEMBER.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, FOR US TO HAVE MORE OF A WINDOW IN THAT, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH THE POLICY COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE, I, I MEAN WHATEVER THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT BOILS UP TO US AS A BRIEFING HOWEVER, BUT WE JUST NEED MORE TRANSPARENCY IN THOSE PROCESSES.
AND I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT LIKE SOME OF THAT UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
I KEEP TALKING ABOUT, I'M GONNA KEEP SOUNDING LIKE A BROKEN RECORD TO Y'ALL OVER AND OVER AND OVER
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BECAUSE I DIDN'T SPEND 12 YEARS IN MY LIFE TO GET THIS TO BE A REALITY TO SIT HERE AND LET THAT BUSINESS BE UNFINISHED, RIGHT? LIKE, I'M HERE AND THE MESSAGE THAT I GOT FOR Y'ALL IS THAT WE GOTTA FINISH THAT BUSINESS, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS THIS, SOME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED TO RESTORE THE PUBLIC TRUST IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS FOR OUR INACTIVITY OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO MAKE US BECOME, UH, UH, A TO HAVE AN ADVERSARIAL OR, OR A, LIKE YOU SAID, A BLUE PERCEPTION IN THE COMMUNITY.BECAUSE WHEN THAT STARTS TO HAPPEN, THIS ROOM IS GONNA FILL UP WITH MY COLLEAGUES, RIGHT? BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM FOUGHT VERY HARD TO MAKE THIS A REALITY.
A LOT OF THEM WERE IN PROTESTS WHERE THEY WERE TEAR, GASSED, HURT, ALL KIND OF STUFF TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
AND, AND WHAT WE DO IN HERE, IT COULD MEAN LIFE FOR DEATH FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S WHY WE GOTTA LOOK AT IT.
AND SO I WANT MORE TRANSPARENCY.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE DPD MEETINGS.
I'M NOT SAYING I WANNA MICROMANAGE YOU, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
LIKE, I WANT TO, I WANT REPORT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED FOR CHIEF GARCIA TO MEET WITH US AS WELL.
NOT JUST CHAIR, BUT WITH SOME OF US, RIGHT? I, YOU KNOW, UM, AS BEING SOMEBODY WHO'S WORKED IN THIS AREA, I HAVE, I'VE MET WITH CHIEF GARCIA ONE TIME SINCE HE'S BEEN, SINCE HE'S BEEN HERE.
I, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
SO WE SHOULD BE BUSTING DOWN SILOS.
LIKE, AND IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE WORK, RIGHT? YOUR, YOUR JOB IS OVERSIGHT OF A POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE IN A, A, A, A ALLY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO OUR JOB.
AND WE SHOULDN'T BE OUR FIR OUR PRIMARY JOB IS TO, IS TO THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, NOT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN HERE WAITING, RESPONDING, AND JUST BEING ROADBLOCKED BY WHAT DPD IS DOING.
AND IN THE NEW YEAR, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS IN OUR RETREAT, WE CAN HAVE A RETREAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSTRUCTIVE INSTEAD OF PEOPLE JUST COMING AND TALKING TO US.
BUT WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A BIT MORE CONSTRUCTIVE WHERE WE CAN GET DOWN TO HOW WE MOVE THE NEEDLE ON, ON THAT PART, UH, OF, OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
UM, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF YOU PROBABLY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE STANDING STEEL, AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU STAND STEEL
UM, I DID HAVE A COMMENT FOR STAFF.
THERE IS NO A, IN MY NAME, THERE'S NO YOU IN MY NAME.
IT IS L IT IS DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, L-O-R-E-N.
SO JUST CHECK IT, MOTION TO ADUR.
IT IS NINE 20 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.