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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

WE HAVE A QUORUM OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.

TODAY IS TUESDAY, DECEMBER 12TH, 2023.

THE TIME IS 5:52 PM AND I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

UH, WE WILL BEGIN, UM, WITH A QUICK ROLL CALL.

UM, STARTING D ONE IS VACANT.

DISTRICT TWO, JOHN MAPLES.

DISTRICT TWO PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE.

DISTRICT FOUR.

DISTRICT FIVE.

BRIAN BAUGH.

DISTRICT FIVE.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT SIX.

DISTRICT FOUR.

LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.

PRESENT.

GOTCHA.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT SIX.

DEREK PEGAN.

PRESIDENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT NINE.

DISTRICT NINE.

ALISON GRANTER ALLEN.

DISTRICT 10 IS VACANT.

DISTRICT 11.

DISTRICT 11.

ARLENE STEIN.

FIELD PRESENT.

DISTRICT 12.

DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH PRESENT.

DISTRICT 13.

AND DAVID KITNER ARE PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14.

DISTRICT 14.

BRANDON FRIEDMAN.

PRESENT PLACE 15.

ABSENT FOR NOW.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WE HAVE, UH, LET'S SEE.

I KNOW I WON'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE IT ALL.

UH, YES, I GOT YOU.

I GOT YOU DOWN.

UH, MR. HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE IS PRESENT.

UM, UH, HOPE EVERYONE HAD A GOOD THANKSGIVING AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

UM, AND I, WE WON'T SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY.

SO I WANNA WISH YOU GUYS A, A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A VERY HAPPY, SAFE NEW YEAR.

UM, GOING INTO NEXT YEAR TO GET STARTED TONIGHT.

I HAVE ONE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.

UH, MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS.

YES, SIR.

SO, MS. PHILLIPS, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE OF OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, MS. PHILLIPS WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

I'LL NOTIFY YOU WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP AND WHEN I DO SO PLEASE STOP SPEAKING.

OKAY? YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, JUST BE MINDFUL THAT DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS A BOARD MEMBER BY NAME.

UM, JUST ADDRESS YOUR SOLU SLU, BLESS YOU.

JUST, UH, ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO ME.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

AND WITH THAT, GO AHEAD.

DOLORES PHILLIPS ADDRESS, SIX 20 WEST WESTCHESTER PARKWAY, APARTMENT 1 7 1 0 8 GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.

I DO UNDERSTAND NOW THE PROCESS OF SPEAKING OF INJUSTICES.

IF I WERE A POLICE OFFICER, LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANY ONE OF YOU SPEAKING OF INJUSTICES, YOU WOULD ENDURE THE SAME REPERCUSSIONS I HAVE PAST, PRESENT AND GOING FAMILY AND FRIENDS TOO.

IF I WAS A POLICE OFFICER FOR SPEAKING OF INJUSTICES, IT WOULD BE MY FELLOW BROTHERS IN BLUE WHO WOULD RETALIATE, INTIMIDATE, AND SHUT ME DOWN IN SILENCE BY FEAR.

IT'S NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.

MS. MCCLARY, YOU DO HAVE HIN DOSS.

IT'S MY DAD'S PROGRAM RIGHT HERE.

I PLEADED WITH MS. MCCLARY.

TO BE FAIR, THE CD CAME UP MISSING THAT PROVES THAT I WAS NEVER LYING ABOUT A COVERUP WITHIN A COVERUP.

WELL, NOW IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME BECAUSE THEY USED THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT IN A PROBATE COURT.

NOW, MIND YOU, A POLICE REPORT IS ON GOVERNMENT LETTERHEAD IN A GOVERNMENT DATABASE, WHICH IS NOW USED IN PROBATE COURT, WHICH IS A GOVERNMENT COURT IN A FAMILY COURT WITH AN INCAPACITATED ELDER MAN WHO IEGE DOUBT.

DALLAS', DELIBERATE, MALICIOUS, STRATEGIC, ORCHESTRATED, EXECUTED NEGLIGENCE CAUSED MY DAD DEMISE BEFORE HE HIS TIME.

IT'S NOT A JOKE.

FATHOM YOU, YOUR FATHER, YOUR MOTHER, BROTHER, OR SISTER PLEADING WITH YOU.

PLEASE HELP ME.

PLEASE HELP ME.

THAT'S WHAT MY DAD TOLD ME RIGHT HERE.

HE TOLD ME THAT NO PITY PARTY NEEDED NONE.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHARE WITH YOU IS FABRICATED POLICE REPORTS.

PEOPLE WHO ARE EXONERATED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ARE SET UP TO FAIL BY THE VERY LINKS AND NETWORKS THAT SAY, I'M CONFUSED BY WHO THEY ARE.

IT'S REALLY NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.

AND IT'S REALLY ALL ONE AND THE SAME.

I'M SHARING WITH MS. ELAINE CHANDLER,

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INTERIM DIRECTOR OF O-C-O-P-O OR CPOB TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

GIVE ME A CALL.

LET'S GO BACK OVER THIS.

SEE HOW WE CAN HELP CITIZENS AND OFFICERS.

THIS IS PART REASON WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY OFFICERS DRINKING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, ANGRY.

IF YOU HELP POLICE OFFICERS, YOU'LL HELP CITIZENS BECAUSE IT IS POLICE OFFICERS WHO UNLEASH THEIR RAGE ON CITIZENS AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE THAT SOME OFFICERS DO KNOW THAT THEY'RE MASKING YOUR CORRUPTION, YOUR COVERUPS FOR YEARS AND DECADES AND DECADES.

WELL, NOW MY DAD IS GONE.

HE COULD STILL BE HERE, BUT BECAUSE OF DELIBERATE NEGLIGENCE, BECAUSE OF POWER, BECAUSE OF, UH, CLOUT, PRESTIGE WEALTH.

OH, DOLORES, YOU'RE NOTHING.

WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT IT IN THE COURT OF LAW SO I COULD RESPOND TO IT.

DEPUTY SHARMA COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY, A LITEM DISCUSSED WITH THE STAFF ATTORNEY OVER IN PROBATE COURT TOO.

SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD CAUSE FOR HER TO BE THE COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY AD LITEM NEVER PUT IT ON RECORD FOR ALL PARTIES TO RESPOND.

I ALLEGE A DELIBERATE TAKEOVER OF MY DAD'S ESTATE DUE TO RETALIATION, AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE AND I'M KNOCKING ON DOORS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING? IF SO, UM, IF THERE'S NOT ANY CHANGES, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE DAVID KITNER DISTRICT 13? MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES.

CAN I GET SECOND D WADSWORTH DISTRICT 12 SECOND.

THANK YOU MS. WADSWORTH.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, CAN WE GET A VOTE? AYE AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYES HAVE IT.

THANK YOU.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO UH, MOVE ON TO THE MEMO, UM, TO CHIEF GARCIA REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR 5 0 5 DASH ONE.

YEAH, SO WE, UM, WE SENT THAT, UM, LAST WEEK, WEEK BEFORE, UM, TO CHIEF GARCIA.

SO HE HAS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR UPDATING GENERAL ORDER 5 0 5 DASH ZERO ONE.

WE HOPE, UH, IT'S TO HIM FOR CONSIDERATION.

WE HOPE HE REVIEWS IT, UM, AND, UH, FINDS, FINDS IT FAVORABLE.

UM, IF NOT, WE'LL AT LEAST GET A CHANCE TO HEAR BACK FROM HIM WHAT HE THINKS ON THAT.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT MEMO THAT WENT OUT TO CHIEF GARCIA? I HAVE A QUESTION I'M LOOKING AT, IS IT INCLUDED HERE WITH THE PACKAGE? IT IS.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HERE.

SORRY.

IS IT INCLUDED? IS THE MEMO INCLUDED HERE WITH THE PACKAGE? 'CAUSE I, I THINK I MIGHT BE MISSING IT.

YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT DID, DID, DID I SKIP ONE? I DID SKIP ONE, DIDN'T I? OKAY.

YEAH.

SO LET ME, UH, LEMME TAKE THIS BACK REAL QUICK.

UM, I, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I LOOK AT MY, UH, ON MY OLD SCRIPT.

ALRIGHT, SO FOR ITEM TWO A, ONE OF OUR ACTION ITEMS IS THE DYNELL LANE INVESTIGATION, UM, BY DPD.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE A MAJOR, UH, ALANISE FROM IAD ON.

AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER TO, UH, TO ADD ANY COMMENTARY.

I WILL DEFER TO, UH, MAJOR ALANISE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS.

GOOD EVENING BOARD.

HOW ARE YOU? WE'RE DOING GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

YES, SIR.

SO, UM, REGARDING THE MR. LANE CASE, IT IS IN THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

OKAY.

UM, JUST FOR MY OWN, UH, KNOWLEDGE.

YEAH.

WHAT, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY? THANK YOU, MA'AM.

YES, SIR.

SO THAT MEANS THAT, UM, ID THE INVESTIGATOR HAS SUBMITTED THE INVESTIGATION.

I HAVE REVIEWED IT, AND NOW THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE CASE ARE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE CASE.

OKAY.

UM, HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT TAKING? JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY? I MEAN, I NOT, IT WILL VARY ON THE DIFFERENT WATCHES AND SHIFTS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS WORK.

UM, SO WHENEVER THEY'RE ABLE TO COME IN AND REVIEW IT, THAT'S, I MEAN, WE, WE WORK AROUND THEIR SCHEDULE.

SURE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD, SIR, FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MAJOR ALANISE.

MAJOR ESE.

I KNOW YOU SAID INITIALLY, UM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I THINK MAYBE SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, YOU TOLD US THAT YOU WERE GONNA ASSIGN A DETECTIVE TO

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WORK EXCLUSIVELY ON THIS CASE.

AND MY QUESTION IS OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS A VERY THOROUGH, UH, INVESTIGATION AND THAT INVOLVED ALL THE OFFICERS INVOLVED, OR JUST ONE THAT WOULD BE ALL OFFICERS INVOLVED.

OKAY.

AND HIS OR HER, UM, WRITTEN REPORT WAS REVIEWED BY YOU, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND THEN YOU'VE MADE, UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO THAT DETECTIVE'S REPORT AND THAT'S WHAT'S UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW BY THE PARTIES INVOLVED.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

AND SO ABOVE YOU AND IA, HAS ANYONE ABOVE YOU REVIEW THAT DETECTIVE'S WORK? NO, MA'AM.

OKAY.

AND HAS OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR REVIEWED ANY OF THAT? YES, I HAVE REVIEWED THE CASE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, I I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE HERE.

UM, I THINK THIS CAME BEFORE US IN SEPTEMBER MM-HMM.

, IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? YES.

AND SO WE'RE ROUGHLY 90 DAYS OUT AND YOU ARE GOING TO WORK AROUND THE SCHEDULE OF THE EMPLOYEES SO THAT THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

OKAY.

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT PROCESS TO ME THEN? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON THE EMPLOYEES TO DO TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE CASE? THE FINALIZATION OF THE CASE.

SO THEY GET TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE FINALIZATION OF THE CASE? YES.

AND YOU'RE WORKING AROUND THEIR SCHEDULES TO DO THAT.

OKAY.

YES.

OKAY.

AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ETA ON HOW LONG SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD TAKE FOUR WEEKS, SIX WEEKS, EIGHT WEEKS OR, OR WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT INTO THE SPRING.

EXCUSE ME.

NO SIR.

I APOLOGIZE.

NO, SIR.

WE TRY TO GET THEM IN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

IF SOME OF THE OFFICERS WORK, LET'S SAY OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, THAT'S WHERE WE TRY TO BRING OUR STAFF IN A LITTLE BIT EARLY DURING THAT OVERLAP OR EVEN STAY LATE SO THAT THOSE OFFICERS CAN COME IN AND REVIEW IT.

IF THERE ARE ANY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WITH ONE OF THE OFFICERS THAT THEY'RE UNABLE TO COME IN, WELL THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT SO YOU DON'T CALL AN OFFICER IN WHENEVER THERE'S SHIFT STARTS TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED YOU TO LOOK AT THIS BEFORE YOU HIT THE STREET THIS WEEK, SO THAT ALL OF IT COULD GET DONE PRETTY WRAPPED UP PRETTY QUICKLY.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.

SO, NO, SIR.

BECAUSE AS I STATED, IF SOME OF THESE OFFICERS WORK OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, THEN YOU, YOU, YOU MEAN YOUR BUSINESS HOURS WHEN YOU SAY OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS? YES.

OKAY, OKAY.

OKAY.

THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE THEN.

SO WHEN YOUR OFFICE IS CLOSED, THEY CAN'T COME IN AND AND READ OVER IT.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART I'M MISUNDERSTANDING.

'CAUSE I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WORKED AROUND THE CLOCK TOO.

SO IF IT'S OFFICES IN THE FIELD, YOUR OFFICES ONLY ARE LIKE EIGHT TO FIVE? YES, SIR.

THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.

I DID NOT KNOW THAT.

OKAY.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT.

CORRECT? YES.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CORRECTION FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS CAME BEFORE AS IN AUGUST.

SO IT'S BEEN LONGER THAN SEPTEMBER.

JUDGE LANDER HERE, UM, DISTRICT EIGHT.

HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWING THIS THAT WE'RE WAITING ON? I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN INVESTIGATION, I'M LIMITED ON WHAT I PRESENT TO THE BOARD.

I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT AN OPEN INVESTIGATION TO THE BOARD, SIR.

SO YOU CAN'T TELL US HOW MANY OFFICERS, AND YOU CAN'T TELL US HOW LONG.

NO, SIR.

I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.

IT'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR.

IT'S FOUR.

THERE, THERE WERE FOUR OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE, GET TO REVIEW IT.

THAT, THAT REALLY IS MY QUESTION IS HOW MANY GET TO REVIEW THIS? FOUR.

BUT THERE ARE FOUR OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT ACCORDING TO OUR KNOWLEDGE.

CORRECT.

IS THAT CORRECT, MA'AM? I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, SIR.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. DISTRICT FOUR.

GO AHEAD.

DISTRICT FOUR MAJOR.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PROCEDURES.

IS THERE A TIMELINE IN WHICH A NORMAL INVESTIGATION SHOULD BE CONCLUDED AND ALL OF THE OFFICERS OR WHOEVER INVOLVED? SO IT COULD JUST GO ON FOREVER OR THERE ARE NO PROCEDURES, SO IT CANNOT GO ON FOREVER? 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE.

WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT THE REVIEW PRO, THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW PHASE.

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SO WE ARE FOLLOWING OUR, OUR PROCEDURES.

I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M OLD AND SOMETIMES I DON'T UNDERSTAND THINGS.

SO WE'RE FOLLOWING PROCEDURES AND IT'S TAKEN FOUR MONTHS FOR YOU OR WHOMEVER TO REVIEW A VIDEO THAT THE WORLD SAW AND INVESTIGATE.

AND HERE WE ARE STILL WITH NOTHING.

AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT YOU DO HAVE PROCEDURES.

SO THERE'S NO TIMELINE.

I DO NOT HAVE A TIMELINE FOR YOU.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT NINE.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AN A DETECTIVE HAS PUT TOGETHER A REPORT AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY YOU AND NOW IT'S BEING REVIEWED BY THE EMPLOYEES.

MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW STAGE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE EMPLOYEE COMES IN, LOOKS AT THE REVIEW, SAYS, YES, I'VE SEEN IT, OR THE EMPLOYEE COMES IN, LOOKS AT THE REVIEW, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A DECISION POINT ABOUT WHETHER THEY WANNA AGREE OR DISAGREE OR, OR PUSH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROCEDURE FORWARD? SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

THE EMPLOYEE IS PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND REVIEW OUR FINDINGS.

RIGHT.

OUR FINAL CASE, THEY'RE ABLE TO JUST FOR CLARITY, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.

I APOLOGIZE IF WE COULD JUST, INSTEAD OF SAYING REVIEW, BECAUSE I I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S, ARE YOU TALKING THE MICROPHONE? OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, JUST WHEN YOU SAY REVIEW, YOU MEAN READ IT, RIGHT? RE RE JUST REVIEW IT, READ IT.

UM, BUT THEY ARE REVIEWING EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE CASE.

MR. CHAIR.

CAN I AND AND THEN THEY SIGN IT OR IS THERE A DECISION POINT? THEY, THEY DO HAVE TO SIGN IT.

UM, AND THEN THEY'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY WHETHER THEY AGREE OR DISAGREE, AND IF THEY WANNA ADD ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY CAN.

I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE TOO SIMPLISTIC ABOUT THIS.

I JUST, I'M KIND OF WONDERING HOW LONG THE EMPLOYEE, IF THEY WANT TO, CAN DRAG THIS OUT.

NO, MA'AM.

OR WHETHER WE'RE PRETTY MUCH AT THE END OF THE ROAD AND IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REPORT SOON.

OKAY.

THE EMPLOYEE CANNOT DRAG IT OUT.

OKAY.

AND AGAIN, I'LL HAVE THE REPORT DONE ONCE IT GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS DOWN HERE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

IS THERE SOMETHING PAST THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW STAGE? YES, MA'AM.

THEN THERE'S THE CHAIN OF COMMAND RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN, UH, IT WILL END UP WITH THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, OF THAT BUREAU OR WHEREVER THOSE OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED SO THAT HE CAN REVIEW IT OR SHE, AND THEN RENDER ANY DISCIPLINE THAT THEY SEE FIT.

THAT'S A LAST STEPS.

SIMPLE.

IS THERE LIKE A FLOW CHART OR ANYTHING THAT WE CAN GET OF THIS PROCEDURE? 'CAUSE I JUST, I WANNA BE MORE, YEAH.

SO I DON'T, BUT IF SO MR. CHAIR, MAY I, MAY I ADDRESS YOU AND THE BOARD? YEAH, PLEASE.

GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO YEAH.

SO IT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS SOME DISCONNECT WITH OUR PROCESSES HERE IN IAD UM, I HAVE REACHED OUT AND INVITED YOU ALL TO COME DOWN THAT WAY MAYBE WE COULD LIKE DO A WALKTHROUGH AND YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY A PROCESS, MAYBE FOLLOW THROUGH OR FOLLOW ALONG ON EVERYTHING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CASE.

UM, BECAUSE IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT IT WAS JUST THE DETECTIVE THAT WAS SOLELY ASSIGNED TO THIS AND THEN HANDS IT TO ME AND THEN ONCE I SIGN IT, WE'RE DONE.

BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS DOWN HERE.

AND I'M SORRY, I, I THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS FAMILIAR WITH HOW AN IAD CASE WORKS HERE.

SPEAK JUST A SECOND MAJOR.

UM, SO A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE ARE SAYING NO, THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS.

OKAY.

WELL, MR. WELL, UM, MR. CHAIR, CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING RIGHT QUICK? UM, 'CAUSE I, I, I DO THINK THERE IS, AS EXPLAINED TO ME A MISCONCEPTION AND WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT PROBABLY HAVE NO BEARING AT THIS POINT.

BUT I DID ACCEPT MAJOR ALLEN'S, UH, OFFER TO GO SPEAK TO HER.

AND I SPENT AN HOUR, AN HOUR AND A HALF TALKING TO 'EM.

AND I WOULD RECOMMEND ALL OF YOU DO THE SAME THING AND LET HER EXPLAIN TO YOU THE STEPS.

BECAUSE I DID HAVE A MISCONCEPTION AS TO WHAT HAPPENED.

FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE WORD RECOMMENDATION WAS USED.

I WAS TOLD IAD DOES NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

THEY JUST COME UP WITH A REPORT THAT HERE ARE THE FACTS, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE DETERMINED TO BE THE FACTS.

AND THEN IT GOES UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT IAD DOES NOT MAKE THE DISCIPLINE DECISION UP OR DOWN IT GOES ELSEWHERE.

AND MAJOR

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ALLEN, IF I'M INCORRECT, TELL ME, UH, AND STOP ME.

BUT THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM YOU.

AND THERE ARE STEPS IN PLACE.

THERE ARE STEPS IN PLACE.

AND I WOULD RECOMMEND TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT YOU TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BY AND, AND TALK TO HER.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND IT HELPFUL.

AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I HAD SOME MISCONCEPTIONS.

UM, AND, UH, I, I THINK IT WORKS DIFFERENTLY THAN, UH, I THOUGHT, AND I THINK IT'LL WORK DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU THINK, WHETHER YOU LIKE THE PROCESS OR NOT.

THAT IS WHAT IT IS, AND THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW IT.

AND MAJOR, UM, REAL QUICK, THAT IS ALSO, UM, IS THAT PROCESS LAID OUT IN THE GENERAL ORDERS AS WELL? YES, SIR.

WE ARE THE 500, WHICH, WHICH, UM, CHAPTER, BECAUSE WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GOING TO PASS THAT OUT TO ALL OF THE, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HERE SO THEY CAN MAKE THEMSELVES FAMILIAR WITH THE GENERAL ORDERS, UH, THAT GOVERNS THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER.

YES, SIR.

IT'S IN THE FIVE HUNDREDS.

UM, I CAN FIND THE SPECIFIC ONE THAT APPLIES TO EXTERNAL COMPLAINTS AND I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I, I HAVE A, UH, I HAVE A BOARD MEMBER HERE, DISTRICT 13.

OH, HE ALREADY DID HIS DISTRICT 11, MS. TY, UH, MAJOR ESE.

I REMEMBER ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO, WE WERE SITTING AROUND IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE ADDRESSING US, AND WE WERE SAYING THE VERY SAME THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID NOW THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN END DATE IN SITE, BUT IT'LL HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, PRETTY AS SOON AS WE CAN DO IT.

BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING ON AND ON AND ON.

SO IF, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS A DEJA VU OF SOMETHING THAT I HAVE HEARD BEFORE, AT LEAST ONCE, IF NOT MORE.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU SAID THERE IS A TIMELINE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA APPROXIMATELY WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN? NO, I DO NOT.

BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HARD IF, IF WE'RE ASKED, IT'S HARD FOR US TO EXPLAIN IT.

IT SEEMS, AND AND I'M NOT ACCUSING YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE IN PARTICULAR, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MAJOR FOOT DRAFT, UH, DRAGGING GOING ON, AND THAT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN ON THE NATIONAL STAGE.

OKAY.

YES.

AND IT'S DISHEARTENING IF ANYONE IS PUTTING THAT NARRATIVE OUT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THIS CASE.

YEAH.

MAJOR.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF NOT ONLY YOURSELF, BUT ALSO THE BOARD.

UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS AS SOON AS YOU CAN SEND ME THE CHAPTER, UH, IN THE 500 SERIES OF WHAT THIS PROCESS IS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE THAT SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE, WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THIS PROCESS, UH, SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT ELSE IS COMING THROUGH.

OKAY? OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING.

THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, NEW BOARD MEMBERS HERE, AND I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE DON'T INTERRUPT PUBLIC SERVANTS WHEN THEY'RE TRYING IN GOOD FAITH TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.

AND SO I WOULD ASK PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO AUTHORITY ON THIS BOARD, TO PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

THANK YOU.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S, I KNOW EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, HAS THEIR OWN PERSONAL OPINION ON WHAT THEY THINK IS GOING ON HERE, BUT MAKE YOURSELF MAKE, AS SOON AS WE GET THIS CHAPTER OF THE GENERAL ORDERS, READ IT, MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IT SO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT BECAUSE IT CAN SEEM RIGHT, PERCEPTION IS REALITY A LOT OF TIMES.

SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OPERATING WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE CORRECT KNOWLEDGE BASE, RIGHT.

MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM.

UM, UH, MAJOR ALANISE WOULD, YES.

WOULD, UM, SOME INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC HELP THE PROCESS? NO, MA'AM.

JUST ASKING, UH, MR. CHAIR, UM, THE JONATHAN MAPLES HERE, I, UM, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THOSE GENERAL ORDERS.

AS, AS A SERVICEMAN, I UNDERSTAND GENERAL ORDERS AND I UNDERSTAND THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THE FLOW.

IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND SOMETHING THAT TAKES, THAT'S TAKING SO LONG, BECAUSE EVEN IN MY WORKPLACE, THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.

BUT AS A, AS A COMMISSIONER ON THIS BOARD, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE FIND RELIEF FOR THE CITIZENS WHO COME BEFORE US SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE RESULTS THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.

GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT THAT WAY.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOLORES PHILLIPS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD AND SHE'S STILL NOT GETTING ANY RELIEF.

WE COULD, WE COULD, WE COULD GO ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND IN THE CIRCLE ABOUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS, BUT THAT'S THE END RESULT.

WE WANT TO HELP THE COMMUNITY GET THE RELIEF THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR

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IN, IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR IAD ON ITEM TWO A? UH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, GO AHEAD.

DISTRICT THREE.

SO FIRST, UH, MAJOR ALANIS, I, I WANNA KNOW IF, IF THERE'S, UH, IF ALONG WITH THE GENERAL ORDERS, COULD WE ACTUALLY GET SOME TYPE OF OVERVIEW OF THE OPERATING PROCEDURE ON HOW THIS FLOWS? LIKE THE, THE WORKFLOW OF THE INVESTIGATIVE PROCESS OF IADI MEAN, I'M SURE WITHIN OUR POLI POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE IS SOME TYPE OF FLOW CHART THAT EXPLAINS THIS IN A VISUAL WAY, ALONG WITH THE GENERAL ORDERS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO.

UM, BEING SOMEBODY WHO FOR YEARS HAS WORKED ON, LIKE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY FOR DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS HARD FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE A WINDOW IN UNDERSTANDING INTO THAT INFORMATION AS IT IS FOR A REGULAR CITIZEN.

AND SO, UM, CAN WE GET THAT AS WELL? IS THERE SOMETHING, SOME TYPE OF ARTIFACT OR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, UH, FROM YOUR FILES THAT YOU CAN GET US AS WELL? UM, THE SECOND ONE IS, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME FOR, UH, FOR IAD INVESTIGATIONS? I WAS UNDER IMPRESSION AT ONE POINT IN TIME UNDER, UH, A PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT THERE WAS A TIMEFRAME.

UM, AND SO I'M WONDERING, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME? YES.

SO IT'S ABOUT 45 DAYS, BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DETECTIVE THAT IS WORKING THE CASE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DETECTIVE THAT WORKED THIS CASE, HE'S WORKING UNDER THAT TIMELINE OF THE 45 DAYS TO CONTACT ALL HIS WITNESSES, REVIEW ALL THE EVIDENCE, AND PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT HAS TO, UM, PASS THAT 45 DAYS, THAT'S WHERE THAT INTERNAL DIALOGUE HAPPENS HERE WITH HIS CHAIN OF COMMAND ON WHY HE'S NEEDING AN EXTENSION ON HIS CASE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS THE CASE WITH THIS.

I BELIEVE HE FINISHED IT PRIOR TO THAT.

ONE MORE QUESTION.

UM, DID, WERE WE ABLE TO REVIEW ALL THE BODY CAM, UH, BODY WOR, UH, VIDEO FOR ALL THE OFFICERS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN IN THE, IN THE INCIDENT? IS, IS THAT QUESTION FOR ME? YES.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW.

I I DID NOT, UH, THE MONITOR IS THE ONE THAT PRESENTS TO THE BOARD, SO WHATEVER THE MONITOR PROVIDED, I, I, I DON'T KNOW.

THAT WAS NOT COMMUNICATED TO ME, SO I CANNOT ANSWER THAT.

WELL, I GUESS I'LL DIRECT MY QUESTION AND DIRECT THE CHANDLER ME AND I WAS NOT, UM, PART OF CPO, UH, WHEN THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED.

UM, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT PRIOR MEETINGS TO SEE IF ALL THE BODY CAMS WERE PRESENTED DURING THAT MEETING.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE TWO OFFICERS, UM, FROM WHAT I RECALL IN, UH, REVIEWING THAT VIDEO PREVIOUSLY, I HAVE VIEWED THE, UH, MEETING AS IN ATTENDEE, NOT AS A PARTICIPANT.

UM, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AND LET YOU KNOW.

MM-HMM, .

OKAY.

MADAM DIRECTOR, IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL VIDEO, WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO US? THAT VIDEO IF RELEASED? UM, I WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO YOU, AND IF NOT, THEN I'LL WORK TOWARD THAT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM TWO? A? SEEING NONE.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO B, WHICH WAS THE MEMO TO CHIEF GARCIA FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ON GENERAL ORDER 5 0 5 0.01.

UM, SO THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT IS ALSO IN THE, UM, BOOK, I BELIEVE UNDER TAB TWO, TWO B.

YEP.

TWO B.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE WRITEUP WAS, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS.

UM, WHEN WAS IT SENT? DECEMBER OH FIFTH.

OKAY.

HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE? NOT YET.

CHAIR RES, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS THAT WE GET NOTHING BACK.

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I, I BELIEVE WE NEED MORE PUBLIC INPUT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE PERSON THAT APPOINTED ME TO THIS BOARD AND THE PEOPLE THAT THE CONSTITUENTS THAT SHE REPRESENTS WOULD HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GETTING NOTHING BACK.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IT APPEARS THAT THIS LETTER WAS SENT AUGUST 5TH.

NO, NO, NO.

THIS NOT TO GARCIA.

NO.

AUGUST.

NOT AUGUST? NO.

THIS MEMO, THIS MEMO WAS SENT DECEMBER 4TH.

DECEMBER 4TH OF THIS YEAR.

YEAH.

SO EIGHT DAYS AGO.

OKAY.

SO HE HE'S GOT IT, IT'S WITH HIS STAFF.

THEY'RE REVIEWING IT.

THEY WILL LET US KNOW.

THAT'LL BE ONE OF OUR FOLLOW UPS DURING OUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE CHIEF.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, MR. CHAIR, DIDN'T WE VOTE TO SEND THAT MORE THAN A MONTH AGO? WE DID, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THE TRANSITION WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD CHAIR AND THE FORMER DIRECTOR, UM, NOT BEING REAPPOINTED THAT FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS SUBMITTED.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING FORMALLY, SUBMITTING EVERYTHING IN WRITING THAT WAY, THAT WAY WE CAN FOLLOW UP.

RIGHT.

AND THAT WAY WE'VE GOT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THERE ARE REQUESTS BEING MADE.

OKAY.

SO DECEMBER FOUR.

SO IT'S BEEN EIGHT DAYS ROUGHLY.

OKAY.

MM-HMM.

.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

OKAY.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, I, I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT SENDING A COPY OF THIS RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

I THINK THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE'VE ASKED.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

AND WE, SO YEAH, WE PROBABLY SHOULD.

CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE SEND A COPY OF IT TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS? CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEMBERS? THEY MET YESTERDAY.

YEP.

JUDGE LANDER, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, GIMME ONE SECOND TO BRAVO.

MOTION DETAIL SECOND D EIGHT.

OKAY.

SO THE MOTION IS TO, UH, FORWARD A COPY OF ITEM TWO B TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

MM-HMM, .

OKAY.

UM, MOTION MADE BY DISTRICT 12 AND SECONDED BY DISTRICT EIGHT.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? YES.

I, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CONTEXT FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE, WITH THE MEMO, UM, EXPLAINING, YOU KNOW, UM, THE INTENTION BEHIND IT AS WELL AS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I REACHED OUT TO THE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND ASKED FOR A FIVE, 10 MINUTE COURTESY CALL.

UM, THAT WOULD BE A, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.

I'VE NOT HEARD BACK FROM HER OFFICE YET, BUT, UM, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO DISCUSS THAT.

OTHERWISE, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE, THE MEETING ITSELF NEXT MONTH.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THE, THE OTHER SUGGESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD GET SOME TIME YEAH.

ON THE MEETING TO DISCUSS IT.

RIGHT? YEAH.

OKAY.

UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? YES.

WHO IS THE CHAIR? UM, CHAIR MENON.

CHAIR MENEN.

CHAIR.

MENDELSON MENDELSON.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, ON ITEM TWO B CALL FOR THE QUESTION ON MOTION? NONE.

SEEING NONE.

CAN I GET A VOTE? YES.

AYE, AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALRIGHT.

THE AYES HAVE IT.

WE WILL SEND A COPY TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

CHAIRMAN, I HAD A QUESTION.

UM, ARE WE, ARE WE REPORTING REGULARLY TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE? NO, WE DO NOT.

NO.

OKAY.

AND WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IN THE PAST EITHER, BUT IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD START DOING.

UM, WE NEED, I BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BETTER WINDOW INTO WHAT THIS BOARD IS AND IS NOT IN THE, DOING THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HAVING, UH, WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND I THINK THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE IS THE PERFECT WAY TO, TO DO THAT, TO START THAT CONVERSATION.

YEP.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MOVING ON.

IF THERE'S NO, SO WE VOTED ON THAT.

GOOD TO GO.

ALRIGHT.

UH, ITEM TWO C IS THE MEMO TO THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING THE, UH, TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL.

UM, WHICH IN THE ORDINANCE IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY MANAGER AND THE OCPO TO CHOOSE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT ARE

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NOT PART OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, THAT ARE OUTSIDE TO SERVE ON THIS RESOURCE PANEL.

SO THAT MEMO WAS SENT, THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S TO CHARLIE.

UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT? SO THIS, I'M SORRY, ALLISON GRANTOR.

ALLEN DISTRICT NINE MM-HMM.

.

THIS WOULD BE A POLICE OFFICER, BUT AN OUTSIDE POLICE OFFICER THAT WOULD HELP US SORT OF DECODE THE FANCY LAW ENFORCEMENT TALK? IT COULD BE, YES.

OKAY.

THAT'S EXACTLY IT.

AND I DID WANT TO STATE THAT THIS MEMO WAS SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND ACKNOWLEDGED BY HIS OFFICE, AND THE PROCESS HAS STARTED.

IS THIS A PAID POSITION? NO, WE WOULD NEED A VOLUNTEER.

OKAY.

SO, YEAH.

UM, BUT THEY'LL, UH, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS ON WHO CAN SERVE AND WHAT AND, UM, WHAT THEIR, UM, WHO CAN SERVE AND THEN WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE OR IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO I GUESS WHY DO WE NEED, UM, THE CITY MANAGER'S HELP FINDING ONE OF THESE VOLUNTEERS? WOULD THEY KNOW, WOULD THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE KNOW OUTSIDE POLICE OFFICERS MORE THAN WE WOULD? OR LIKE HOW DO WE IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.

IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ASK FOR THEM TO THE GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND THE DIRECTOR IS, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR APPOINTING.

YEAH.

IT JUST STATES THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE.

IT DOESN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON IT AS TO WHY.

RIGHT.

BUT WE CAN SUGGEST SOME IF MAYBE WE KNOW PEOPLE YOU CAN.

COOL.

UH, DISTRICT A JUDGE LAND.

WHEN YOU SAY OUTSIDE OFFICERS, YOU MEAN NON DBD? CORRECT.

OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT.

AND FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME, AND WHEN WE WERE THE, UH, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE OTHER BOARD.

UM, THIS IS A POLICE REVIEW, CITIZENS POLICE REVIEW, RIGHT.

THE CITIZENS POLICE REVIEW BOARD.

UM, WE HAD, UM, OFFICERS FROM ARLINGTON AND I BELIEVE FORT WORTH, AND THEY ATTENDED EACH AND, AND THEY WERE HELPFUL, UM, BECAUSE THEY COULD AT LEAST SAY WHAT THEIR POLICY WAS.

NOW THEY COULDN'T SAY WHAT DALLAS'S POLICY WAS, BUT IF WE HAD A TECHNICAL QUESTION, WE COULD GO TO THEM AND THEY COULD AT LEAST ANSWER AND BREAK IT DOWN.

YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BACK THE BLUE NO MATTER, NO MATTER WHAT, BUT AT LEAST THEY CAN CLEAR UP SOME, SOME QUESTIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TWO C? SEEING NONE.

OKAY.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS AND BRIEFINGS.

THREE A.

WE HAVE A REPORT ON THE NOVEMBER 16TH, 2023 OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, UM, DIRECTOR.

OKAY.

UH, DURING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, THERE WAS ONE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO INVESTIGATE.

THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED ON NOVEMBER THE 23RD, UM, ON THE 9,000 BLOCK OF A DELTA BOULEVARD.

THIS IS THE 11TH OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, UM, INVOLVING DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS FOR 2023 ON NOVER.

NOVEMBER 16TH, 2023 AT APPROXIMATELY 6:05 AM US MARSHALS OF NORTH TEXAS FUGITIVE TASK FORCE SERVED A CAPITAL MOR, UH, I'M SORRY, MURDER ARREST WARRANT FOR JORDAN OWENS.

THE TASK FORCE BEGAN MAKING THEIR PRESENCE KNOWN BY KNOCKING AND MOVING TOWARD THE INDIVIDUAL WITH THE INTENT TO SERVE THE WARRANT AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

OFFICERS BREACHED THE DOOR AFTER THE SUSPECT WILLINGLY REFUSED.

ONCE THE DOOR WAS OPEN, THE SUSPECT FIRED SEVERAL ROUNDS.

STRIKING SENIOR CORPORAL EDGAR MORALES AND THE LEFT CATH.

SENIOR CORPORAL MORALES RETURNED WITH FIRE OF HIS RIFLE.

FIRST AID WAS ADMINISTERED TO SENIOR CORPORAL MORALES OFFICERS GAVE VERBAL WARNINGS OR COMMANDS TO THE SUSPECT.

UM, THE SUSPECT CONTINUED TO WAVE HIS WEAPON AND THREATENED TO SHOOT OFFICERS.

AT 6:15 AM OFFICER BARNES NELSON FIRED THREE ROUNDS FROM HIS RIFLE AT THE ARMED SUSPECT.

THE SUSPECT CONTINUED TO BE NON-COMPLIANT.

A FEMALE OCCUPANT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX CALLED 9 1 1 AND OFFICE, AND NOTIFIED THE OPERATOR THAT THEY WERE OTHER OCCU.

THAT THERE WERE OTHER OCCUPANTS INSIDE OF THE APARTMENT AND THE SUSPECT WAS INJURED.

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THE TASK FORCE, UH, THEN EVACUATED THE OCCUPANTS AND CHALLENGED THE SUSPECT IN THE LIVING ROOM OF THE APARTMENT.

UM, WHERE HE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY, FIRST AID WAS ADMINISTERED TO THE SUSPECT.

HE WAS TRANSPORTED TO PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL BY DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.

MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU CUE THE VIDEO PLEASE? IF YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH FAT LOSS, HIGH, HIGH BLOOD SUGAR, I CAN RESPOND TO THE SCENE.

IN AN EFFORT TO BE TRANSPARENT, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RELEASING SURVEILLANCE VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT.

POLICE OPEN THE DOOR.

APARTMENT 22, OPEN THE DOOR, GOT A WARRANT.

LIGHTS ON YOUR, YOUR LIGHTS FROM THE CAR JUST SHINING THROUGH THE OPEN THE DOOR.

POLICE HEAR.

EXCUSE ME, I HEARD THE LOCK.

THE LOCK TWO.

OPEN THE DOOR.

POLICE, WE ARE NOT LEAVING.

OPEN THE DOOR.

WE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN.

OPEN THE DOOR OR IT'S COMING DOWN.

WHICH ONE? YEAH, JUST TURN, TURN YOUR RED AND BLUE ON.

TURN THE OVERHEAD.

POLICE OPEN THE DOOR.

APARTMENT 1222.

OPEN THE DOOR.

DO IT NOW.

ANYBODY IN YOU BETTER COME.

YOU GONNA GET TOO? LET'S GO.

JORDAN, COME OUT.

YEAH.

THEY'RE YOU HANDS YOUR WARRANT.

I WANNA HANDS WHEN THIS DOOR COME ON.

COME ON.

HEY, ANYBODY? EVERYBODY GOOD? EVERYBODY GOOD? MY LEG.

LARRY, GO THAT WAY.

COME ON, LET'S GET OUT.

LET'S GET OUT.

LET'S GET OUT.

F**K THIS.

LET'S GET OUT.

YOU GOOD, EDGAR? HEY, CHANNEL TWO.

GET ON AMBULANCE.

HEY, RIGHT HERE.

UP.

HOLD ON.

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GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GO, GO.

THINK I'VE BEEN DEAD.

I'M, I'M GOOD.

I'M GOOD.

I'M, YOU GOTTA GO.

I DIDN'T GET ALL THE, NO, THAT'S ME.

OKAY.

IS THAT THE GUN? NO, I, HE WAS UP ON THE DECK.

TOP DECK WITH A GUN.

I SHOT, BUT I THINK I MISSED SOMEBODY IN THE WINDOW.

YEAH, I'M ABOUT TO TAKE IT.

HOLD ON.

YEAH.

GOOD.

YEAH.

ALRIGHT.

THAT MOVEMENT AT THE DOOR, WE'RE INTO A FEMALE AND A MALE.

FEMALE.

HANDS UP.

I CAN'T TELL ABOUT THE SECOND ONE'S.

A MALE OR FEMALE? HANDS UP.

FEMALE IN A BLACK DRESS.

AND THEN A SOMEBODY IN A WHITE JUMPSUIT.

WE'RE COMING.

SOON AS THEY GET OUT, THEY'RE ON THE STAIRS.

THEY'RE ON THE STAIRS.

YOU BACK UP ON DOOR? YEAH, I'M ON THE DOOR.

ALL RIGHT.

THERE.

YOUR FROM HERE OUT.

KURT'S.

BACK ON DOOR.

YOU ON THE DOOR ON DOOR.

COME ON DOOR

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UP.

WALK THIS WAY, WAY TO THE, TO THE BACK.

THERE YOU GO.

THESE, YOUR HEAD.

OKAY.

JUST KEEP CONTROLLING YOUR BREATHING.

LEMME SEE.

I CAN'T SEE THE OTHER, I CAN'T SEE THE OTHER HAND.

OKAY.

HEY, I'M GONNA GO D YOU GO STRAIGHT TO HIM.

OKAY? HEY, HOLD ON.

LEMME CLEAR DOWN BEHIND US.

YEAH, GIVE IT TO ME.

OKAY.

YOU GO STRAIGHT.

YOU GO STRAIGHT TO HIM.

UP, UP OVER HERE.

YOU CAN LET GET YOU, IT IS CLEAR.

I'M GOOD.

I'M GOOD.

YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD.

YOU HOLD BACK UP.

GO AHEAD.

GOOD.

YOU? YEAH, I JUST DID THE CLAUSE.

WE GOOD? HEY, DON'T, DON'T DO THAT.

THEY GONNA MAKE YOU TAKE IT OFF.

SO THEY, WHERE'S THE, UH, GET THE BAG.

LET GET 9 1 1.

NO, 9 9 0 0.

HELLO? HELLO.

HELLO.

YES.

HELLO.

YES.

UM, THIS IS 9 9 0 1.

UM, 9 9 0 0 AT LET BOULEVARD.

UH, YES.

THERE'S TWO PEOPLE IN THE CLOSET AND THEY HAVE THE HOUSE SURROUNDED AND THE POLICE.

SOMEBODY .

OKAY, HOLD ON.

WAIT A MINUTE.

I NEED TO TALK TO ONE PERSON.

I CAN'T TALK TO BOTH Y'ALL.

OKAY? OKAY.

SAY THE ADDRESS.

9 9 0 0 ALETA? YES.

OKAY.

BOULEVARD.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND THE SUSPECT, OKAY.

THEY, THEY HAD THE HOUSE SURROUNDED, BUT THE SUSPECT IS IN THE HOUSE SHOOTING OUTSIDE AT THE POLICE.

BUT IT'S TWO OTHER PEOPLE IN HERE.

AND I DON'T WANT THE POLICE TO SHOOT BACK.

WE'RE JU WE'RE, WE'RE INNOCENT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO WERE IN THE ARE, ARE YOU? WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.

IS THIS A HOUSE OR AN APARTMENT? MA'AM, THIS IS THE APARTMENT, THE HOUSE.

WHAT DOOR NUMBER ARE YOU AT? IT'S 1222.

HE IS LITERALLY SHOOTING AT THE POLICE.

THEY'RE SHOOTING, THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IN HERE.

THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IN HERE.

THEY JUST THINK IT'S HIM IN HERE.

THAT'S EMERSON APARTMENTS? YES.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET HURT OR ANYTHING.

WE'RE ANYTHING.

WE WERE IN SLEEP AND THE POLICE CAME AND KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND THEN ESCALATED FROM THERE.

SO NOW WE'RE JUST IN THE CLOSET LAYING DOWN.

OKAY.

JUST STAY DOWN IN THE CLOSET.

JUST STAY IN THERE.

OKAY? JUST HOLD ON MY F*****G GOD.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT POLICE IT IS THAT'S SHOOTING? WHO'S NO, THE STUFF THE DALLAS POLICE.

OH MY GOD.

HE'S SHOOTING, HE'S SHOOTING AT THEM.

HE'S SHOOTING AT THEM.

WHO IS HE? WHAT'S HIS NAME? OH MY GOD.

MY GOD.

THEY'RE SHOOTING.

THEY'RE SHOOTING.

WHAT'S HIS NAME, MA'AM? THEY'RE OH MY F*****G GOD.

WE DON'T KNOW THE SUSPECT.

WHAT YOU'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE SHOOTING BACK.

WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET HURT.

MA'AM.

I UNDER MA'AM.

LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

DO YOU KNOW THE NAME OF THE PERSON THAT'S IN THE APARTMENT WITH YOU? NO.

WE DON'T KNOW NOTHING.

HOW IS HE, HOW IS HE IN THE APARTMENT? Y'ALL DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS? OH MY GOD.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME.

CAN WE ANSWER LIKE, ALL THESE QUESTIONS WHEN THIS S**T IS OVER? NO MA'AM.

I NEED TO, YOU'RE CALLING ME.

I NEED TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.

NAME.

HIS NAME IS JORDAN.

JORDAN, OKAY.

DO YOU KNOW A LAST NAME? NO.

NO, WE DON'T KNOW THE LAST NAME.

WE'RE JUST IN THE CLOSET.

PRESS THE F*****G FIGHT FOR US, MA'AM.

HOLD ON.

HOLD ON.

OKAY.

GOD.

ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND COME TO THE LIKE FRONT DOOR? UH, YES, BUT I GOTTA PUT MY CLOTHES ON.

OKAY.

WELL GO AHEAD AND PUT YOUR CLOTHES ON.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU LETTING THEM KNOW? ARE YOU LIKE LETTING THEM KNOW? YES MA'AM.

I'M GONNA LET THEM KNOW BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET SHOT HERE.

YES, MA'AM.

DO WE KNOW IF THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE HALL ARE OKAY? 'CAUSE I, YEAH,

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THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF THE VIDEO.

THANK YOU.

SO IT SAYS THAT THE OFFICE WAS NOTIFIED AND RESPONDED.

DID WE SEND SOMEBODY TO THE SCENE? YES.

OCPL WAS ON SITE.

ARE THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE HALL.

OKAY.

UM, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY REPORTS THAT THERE WERE ANY OTHER INJURIES OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT WERE, UM, READ OUT IN THIS REPORT WHO WENT TO THE SCENE FOR THE OFFICE? UH, JAMES GRIFFIN DID.

YES.

YEAH, I DID.

MR. VICE CHAIRMAN.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, SO IN LOOKING AT THE, UH, BODY CAM, WE HAD ABOUT A 15 MINUTE BREAK BETWEEN THE TIME IT SHOWED, 'CAUSE THE BODY CAM SHOWS THE TIME THE SIX 19 WHEN HE'S USING PROFANE LANGUAGE.

AND, UM, THAT PHONE CALL CAME IN AT 6:29 AM AND, AND THEN AT 6 29 THE OFFICERS WERE EVACUATING THE OCCUPANTS.

IT SAYS, AND THEN FIRST AID, WHEN WE FINALLY GET TO THE BODY CAMERA THAT SHOWS FIRST AID BEING ADMINISTERED, IT'S 6 42.

SO FROM 6 29 TO 6 42, WHAT HAPPENED? I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY BODY CAM.

CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? INTERIM DIRECTOR, DID YOU REVIEW IT? I'VE REVIEWED THE VIDEO.

UM, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT OCCURRED DURING THAT, UM, THOSE MOMENTS OTHER THAN THEY WERE EVACUATING THE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE IN THE HOME IS WHAT I SAW.

AND, UM, AND THEN THEY HAD TO BREACH THE APARTMENT, UM, AFTERWARD.

AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT TIME OR WHO, UH, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO REVIEW TO SEE WHO ACTUALLY ADMINISTERED.

UM, DID IT SAY THAT THE, UM, FIRE WAS ON SITE TO ADMINISTER THE FIRST AID? NO, IT DOES NOT SAY WHO ADMINISTERED THE FIRST AID.

UM, SO I DO NOT KNOW.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, WHY WHEN THIS WAS RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.

'CAUSE THIS PUBLIC VIDEO THAT DPD RELEASED, WHY THEY DON'T SHOW ANYTHING OR SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT TRANSPIRED BETWEEN 6 29 AND SIX 40, BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE, AND THEN THE END OF IT WAS 6 43.

I UNDERSTAND THEY WERE TRYING TO ADMINISTER FIRST AID FOR THREE MINUTES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT TRANSPIRED IN THE MIDDLE AND WHY WE DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT VIDEO.

THAT IS THE VIDEO THAT DPD PUT TOGETHER, AND SO WE COULD INQUIRE ABOUT THAT.

I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF THEY SHOWED BECAUSE IT WAS SNIPPETS OF VIDEOS, IF IT SHOWED WHEN CPR FIRST INITIATED OR IF THAT WAS A PORTION.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S A VALID QUESTION THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE ASKED.

YEAH, THE, THE WAY IT'S WORKED IN THE PAST IS WHEN WE'RE GIVEN VIDEO, WE USUALLY GET TO SEE MORE VIDEO THAN RELEASED IN A PUBLIC.

ON THE DPD WEBSITE, WE USUALLY SEE MORE.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT TIMEFRAME ACCOUNTED FOR.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DIRECTOR AS WELL.

GO AHEAD.

DISTRICT NINE.

UM, WHO WROTE THE SUMMARY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? AND HAVE YOU OR HAS ANYBODY IN THE OFFICE REVIEWED THE UNCUT BODY CAM? THAT'S NOT THE DPD SNIPPETS VERSION? UH, THIS WAS DRAFTED BY, UM, AN ASSISTANT THAT WAS IN OUR OFFICE, BUT IT WAS BASED OFF OF THE REPORT THAT WAS DRAFTED BY DPD.

WHICH ASSISTANT? UM, SOMEONE THAT'S OUR, UH, A TEMPORARY EMPLOYEE THAT WAS IN OUR OFFICE.

BUT THAT IS NO LONGER IN THE OFFICE? CORRECT.

AND HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE UNCUT FOOTAGE? NO.

DIRECTOR, COULD YOU REQUEST THE UNCUT FOOTAGE FOR ALL FROM ALL THE CAMERAS AVAILABLE? YES, I CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, JAMES GRIFFIN.

WHAT TIME DID WE GET TO THE SCENE? WHEN I, I GOT, I, I WAS NOTIFIED, UH, SHORTLY BEFORE, UH, SEVEN, AROUND 7 55 ON MY WAY INTO WORK.

ELAINE CALLED ME AND ASKED ME IF I WOULD

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GO OUT TO THE SCENE AND I ARRIVED A FEW MINUTES LATER AFTER THAT AND I WAS ON SCENE.

AND THEN I ALSO PARTICIPATED IN THE WALKTHROUGH OF THE SCENE WITH IAD AND THE, AND, UH, O-S-I-O-O-O-I-S OR, OR THE REST OF THE TEAM THERE.

SO I, SO I WAS THERE FOR THE WALK THROUGH THE SHOOTING AND THEN OF THE AREA AND, AND THAT WAS, I GOT THERE A, A FEW MINUTES AFTER EIGHT IN THE MORNING.

DIRECTOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THREE A DIRECTOR? UM, AT WHAT TIME DID THEY NOTIFY YOU OF THE SHOOTING? UH, I WOULD'VE TO GO BACK TO SEE WHAT TIME I WAS CONTACTED, BUT OUR OFFICE WAS IN CHICAGO AT THE TIME, AT THE NICOLE CONFERENCE AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THREE A? SEEING NONE.

MOVING ON TO THREE B.

UH, THIS WILL BE PRESENTED BY MR. GRIFFIN.

UM, THERE WERE FIVE APPEALS, UM, THAT WERE FILED WITH THE OFFICE.

AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL STEP THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM.

UM, I THINK MR. GRIFFIN HAS, UH, HAS VIDEO FOR SOME, UM, BUT HE'LL, HE'LL PROVIDE A, A BACKGROUND ON WHAT ALL THESE ARE ABOUT AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

BUT WE'LL DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY.

SIR, GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

SO THE, SO THE FIRST REQUEST REVIEW SUMMARY ON JANUARY 14TH, CARLOS DAVIS, CORPORAL TROY AND OFFICER AT THE NORTHWESTERN SUBSTATION FILED REPORT FOR ON MARCH THE 27TH, DAVIS FILED ALL ALLEGING THAT HE HAD BEEN PRO BY PROFILE BECAUSE HIS REPORT WAS INCORRECT.

OFFICER OANA INITIALLY SPOKE WITH MR. DAVIS AT THE FRONT DESK OF THE STATION WITH SENIOR CORPORAL TROY AT HIS DESK IN THE BACKGROUND, OBSERVING THE COMPENSATION.

SENIOR CORPORAL TROY COMPLETED AN OFFENSIVE REPORT FOR THE HIT AND RUN AND OFFICER COMPLETED A MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH.

CORPORAL ENTERED INCORRECTLY LISTED THE AMOUNT OF THE VEHICLE IN THE INITIAL REPORT, WHICH WAS CORRECTED WITH A SUPPLEMENTAL REPORT.

OFFICER ANA WAS THE ONE WHO WENT OUTSIDE AND VIEWED THE CAR DAMAGE AND HE COMPLETED VEHICLE REPORT ON OCTOBER THE 19TH.

MR. DAVIS RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE AFFAIRS, HE TELLING THE OUTCOME OF THE COMPLAINT AND WHICH THEY NOTED THAT THERE HAD BEEN NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL RULES.

MR. DAVIS THEN FILED A CITIZEN REVIEW REQUEST, WHAT OCPO TO HAVE THIS CASE REVIEW THE BOARD.

I HAVE PREPARED, UH, TWO CLIPS OF VIDEO OF THE, UM, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE OFFICER CORRECT THE DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE AND A CLIP OF MR. DAVIS FILING HIS REPORT, UH, AT THE AND MS. WILLIAMS, WHEN YOU, UH, PLAY, UH, DAVIS'S CLIP ONE, MR. WILLIAMS, MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU PLAY, UH, DAVIS' CLIP ONE? WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT, UM, CAN I ASK WHAT THE SUMMARY IS THAT YOU'RE READING FROM? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT THE LETTER WE HAVE, RIGHT? NO, THIS IS JUST LIKE LITTLE NOTES I PUT TO PRESENT BEFORE THE CASE.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE NOTES THAT I HAVE THAT, UH, ATTACHED TO THE BOARD.

THIS IS JUST, THAT'S CORRECT.

MR. GRIFFIN.

MR. GRIFFIN IS IN THE MR. GRIFFIN? YES MA'AM.

UM, IN THE FUTURE, COULD YOU INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL REPORT? THE ORIGINAL REPORT COMPLAINT? YES MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

NO.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE.

I'M GONNA GO BACK UP THERE AND SEE.

HE GOT TAPE.

I KNOW THE, GOT A GUY ON SEE IF HE GOT SOME ON TAPE.

SO YOU SAID STEM TRAIL, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY? THE CHEVRON? YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE CHEVRON RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, UH, IHOP.

YOU MEAN THE WAFFLE HOUSE? IHOP.

OH, IHA.

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OKAY, I GET YOU.

I GOTCHA.

SO, UM, YEAH, YOU JUST PASSED, GO THE OTHER WAY, RIGHT? SO YOU WERE INSIDE THE GAS STATION? I WAS INSIDE THE GAS STATION.

I BOUGHT ME SOME CIGARS.

I GOT IN MY CAR.

I'M AT THAT GAS PUMP RIGHT THERE.

I MET THAT ONE.

OKAY.

AND YEAH, I'M AT THAT GAS PUMP WHERE THE TRUCK'S AT AND THE GUY JUST BACKED UP AND HIT ME AND HE SPIN AROUND.

HE BACKED UP IN HERE.

HE BACKED UP RIGHT THERE, HIT MY CAR, THEN HE MADE LEFT, JUMPED ON OFF WEST HIGHWAY AND CAME UP AND I TRIED TO KILL HIM, BUT I LOST IT.

GOTCHA.

OKAY.

NOW LET ME, LET'S SEE WHAT THE ADDRESS IS FOR THAT CHEVRON .

YOU GO OUT AHEAD AND MAKE ANOTHER FLIGHT AND GO ON THE BRIDGE.

MAKE ANOTHER LEFT.

I'M WAY AROUND.

IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.

I DON'T, I'LL MINE .

ALRIGHT SIR, LET'S, UH, I'M GONNA GO OUTSIDE AND SEE WHERE, UH, WHERE EXACTLY IT HIT MR. WILLIAMS. CAN YOU PLAY, UH, THE CLIP TOO FOR MR. DAVIS? THIS IS WHERE HE HIT YOUR CAR, SIR.

OKAY.

DAMN.

I'M SORRY SIR.

WHEN YOU GOTTA, Y'ALL GOING THEY, OKAY, SO THAT WAS THE CLIP THAT SHOWED THE, THAT WAS THE CLIP THAT SHOWED THIS, THE INITIAL DAMAGE OF THE COM OF THE, THE, OF THE ACCIDENT THAT HE WAS THERE TO REPORT.

AND THEN WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO THE MS. CHAIRMAN FOR A DISCUSSION AND THE VOTE CAN I HAVE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? EXCUSE ME.

ONE, ONE SECOND.

ONE SECOND.

ALRIGHT, MR. GRIFFIN, UM, SO WE'RE REVIEWING A REPORT ON A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT OR NOT EVEN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HIT AND RUN AT A GAS STATION? THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS.

AND THEN THE, THE COMPLAINT WAS THAT THE OFFICER GOT THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE WRONG IN THE REPORT AND THEN HE FILED A COMPLAINT STATING THAT HE FELT HE WAS BEING RACIALLY PROFILED BECAUSE THE COMPLAINT WAS, THE REPORT WAS INCORRECT.

AND I, AND, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY NOTIFIED THE OFFICER AND THEY MADE A SUPPLEMENT CORRECTING THE REPORT AND THEN SAID THAT, BUT, AND THEN THAT WAS THE OUTCOME AND THEN HE FILED A COMPLAINT WITH US TO REVIEW IT BECAUSE HE WAS DISSATISFIED WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR OUTCOME WHEN THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS NO, UH, DEPARTMENTAL RULES OR VIOLATIONS THAT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED.

OKAY.

AND TO CLARIFY, WHAT HE DEEMED AS BEING INCORRECT WAS THAT ONE OFFICER VALUED THE DAMAGE AT 501 OTHER OFFICER VALUED THE DAMAGE AT A THOUSAND.

IS THAT CORRECT? I, I BELIEVE SO.

THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY AS TO THE AMOUNT OF THE DAMAGE IN THE REPORT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

OUR, OUR, OUR OFFICERS TRAINED INSURANCE ADJUSTERS.

I MEAN, DO, DO THEY KNOW NO, WHAT A, WHAT A BUMPER COSTS ON A, ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A CHEVROLET IMPALA OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

NO SIR.

YEAH.

AND, AND I AND I MAYBE THE, MAYBE MAYBE HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT AS WELL, BUT DID, BUT SO HE, HE COMPLAINT 'CAUSE IT WAS WRONG AND THEY CORRECTED THE REPORT SURE.

AND THEN AFTERWARDS, BUT THEN HE FILED THE COMPLAINT AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING THREE B ONE ON THE DAVIS ISSUE? I HAVE A A QUICK QUESTION.

OKAY, GO AHEAD DINA.

THE VALUATION THAT THE OFFICER DID ON THE CAR WAS, I, IT STRIKES ME THAT AN OFFICER WOULD DO A VALUATION LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE VALUE SCALE MAKES

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A DIFFERENCE FOR WHAT KIND OF CRIME THE HIT AND RUN IS.

RIGHT.

BUT IT'S NOT INSURANCE RELATED.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND I, AND I THINK THE PART OF THE CONFUSION WAS THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO REPORTS THAT WERE DONE, WHEREAS THERE WAS ONE THAT THE OFFENSE REPORT, WHICH WAS DONE BY THE SENIOR CORPORAL CHOI, I BELIEVE, AND HE DONE THE OFFENSE REPORT WHEREIN THAT DETERMINES WHAT THE OFFENSE WAS.

IF THEY FOUND, FOUND THE, THE PERSON THAT IF THEY TO CHARGE SOMEONE WITH A HIT AND RUN THAT THAT WAS VALUED AT ONE THING.

AND THEN THE OTHER OFFICER DONE THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH REPORT AND HE WENT OUT THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT REPORTS DONE BY TWO DIFFERENT OFFICERS.

ALSO, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT A A, AN ACCIDENT CAUSING DAMAGE OF AT LEAST $500 IS GONNA, IS GONNA MAKE IT ONE TYPE OF CRIME.

SO THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE WHY THE OFFENSE, WHY THE OFFENSE REPORT WOULD SAY 500, WHEREAS THE, I MEAN, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT TO BE CORRECT, BUT, UM, I MAYBE SOMEONE FROM DPD WOULD BE BETTER ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF SOMEONE, UM, I I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL.

WELL GO AHEAD.

I JUST WANNA SLOW THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR, FOR MY, FOR MY MIND.

SO HE WAS AT THE GAS STATION ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY ACROSS FROM THE IHOP IS WHAT HE SAID.

I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL AT THE BACK OF MY HAND IS WHERE I GREW UP.

BUT SOMEONE BACKED INTO HIM, HE JUMPED IN THE CAR, HE TRIED TO CHASE HIM AND THEN HE GOES BACK TO THE GAS STATION AND CALLS THE POLICE.

NO, HE WENT TO THE, HE DROVE DIRECTLY TO THE NORTHWEST.

HE DROVE STRAIGHT TO THE NORTHWEST STATION RIGHT UP, WHICH IS LITERALLY RIGHT UP THE STREET.

YES.

AND SO AN OFFICER CAME OUT AND WROTE A REPORT.

YES.

AND SO WHILE HE WAS STANDING THERE, HE WAS LIKE, NAH, NAH, NAH, THIS REPORT'S NOT FAIR.

I'M GONNA GO BACK IN AND ASK SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME OUT AND WRITE ANOTHER REPORT.

NO, NO.

UH, THERE WAS BEHIND, ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS IN THE BACKGROUND BEHIND OBSERVING.

OKAY.

I DIDN'T SEE, HE WROTE THE OFFENSE REPORT.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE ONE OFFICER THAT, THAT HE WAS SPEAKING TO WENT OUT AND SAW AND DID THE DAMAGE, UH, FOR AND, AND HE'S THE ONE THAT DID THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH REPORT AND THE, THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE BACK, HE'S THE ONE WHO WROTE THE, UH, THE OTHER REPORT.

BUT HE WAS IN THE, OKAY.

SO WE GOT TWO OFFICERS STANDING OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE NORTHWEST STATION TALKING TO A GUY ABOUT HIS DAMAGED VEHICLE? NO, NO.

THEY WERE, THEY WERE BOTH INSIDE THE STATION AND HE CAME IN TO MAKE THE COMPLAINT AT THE DESK.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE BOTH OF THEM WERE AND THEN THE YES.

AND THEN ONE WENT OUT.

YES.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE OUT, OR DID THEY GO OUT AT THE SAME TIME? NO ONE WENT OUT.

AND WHERE, WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH THIS IS, IS IF THEY WERE BOTH THERE AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WEREN'T TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

THAT'S, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW.

YES.

ALRIGHT MAN, THANK YOU.

THERE WAS ALSO AN ALLEGATION OF RACIAL PROFILING THOUGH.

DID YOU SEE ANYTHING ON THE TAPE THAT WOULD I I DID NOT.

I DID NOT, UH, OBSERVE.

I, I DID NOT SEE ANY RACIAL PROFILING, UH, AS TO MY, BUT AGAIN, I, I I, I CAN'T SPEAK AS FAR.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WERE INSIDE THEIR THOUGHTS OR HEADS, BUT FROM MY, THERE WAS NOTHING OBVIOUS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME.

AND YOU WATCHED THE ON A BRIDGE TAPE? YES, I DID.

MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, JUDGE LAND, I, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I I I, I'M LISTENING TO THIS AND, AND I, I, I HOPE WE'RE NOT TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, MAKING COMPLAINTS OR CRITICAL OF POLICE OFFICERS FOR MAKING A MISTAKE ON THE VALUE OF DAMAGE TO A CAR.

THAT THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE SO ABSOLUTELY SO OVER THE TOP, UH, THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE, UH, DEALING WITH IT.

UH, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE NOT DO AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS.

JUDGE LANDER.

YES.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

UM, IS THERE ANY TAPE ANYWHERE IN WHICH WORDS WERE SAID OR THINGS WERE DONE TO THIS INDIVIDUAL WHICH COULD IN ANY RESPECT BE CONSIDERED RACIAL PROFILING? ABSOLUTELY NOT