Dec 19, 2023 Special Housing and Homelessness Solutions

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GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING.

[Special Housing and Homelessness Solutions on December 19, 2023.]

THE TIME IS 9:08.

AND I'M CALLING THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS COMMITTEE TO ORDER.

BEFORE WE START THIS MORNING, I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE AUDIENCE'S TIME FOR COMING OUT THIS MORNING.

SO WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THOSE WHO ARE IN THE CHAMBER TO GO AHEAD AND LINE UP ON THE FRONT FIRST TWO ROWS, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE 12 OR SO SPEAKERS THAT ARE HERE TODAY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK BEFORE WE START OUR MEETING.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER.

SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, GO AHEAD AND COME UP TO THE FRONT TWO ROWS, PLEASE.

ALL RIGHT, SIR.

GO AHEAD. WE CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

EDD ZARA 1003 VALENCIA, DALLAS, TEXAS.

THIS PROPOSAL TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO 1500FT² AND DEFINE AND ALLOW NEW USES, CALLED TRIPLEX AND FOURPLEX BY RIGHT AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONE NEIGHBORHOODS, WILL DESTROY THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE SIGNED UP FOR AND EXPECTED THE CITY TO PROTECT WHEN WE MADE THE BIGGEST INVESTMENT IN OUR LIFE.

I OWN BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

I RECEIVE TURNKEY ESTIMATES TO BUILD THESE SO-CALLED DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES.

FACT 400 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE APARTMENT $174,000, $2,578 A MONTH RENT.

DUPLEX THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF EACH SIDE HOLLYWOOD HEIGHTS, LAKEWOOD 1,008,000 TO TO 1,343,000 500 SQUARE FOOT 5,000 MONTHLY RENT.

FOURPLEX 2400 SQUARE FOOT 4800 SQUARE FOOT UNITS 1,000,003 TO 1,000,006.

$3,897 RENT EACH UNIT PLUS UTILITIES.

FACT. THANK YOU SIR.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

THE COST OF DIRT DETERMINES THE USE.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS GREG ESTELL.

I LIVE AT 411 BONSTONE DRIVE IN DISTRICT NINE, IN THE OLD LAKE HIGHLANDS NEIGHBORHOOD.

SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IS NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE HOUSING SHORTAGE IN DALLAS.

WHILE THE CITY MUST ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE IS NO DATA THAT SUPPORTS THE BLANKET REDUCTION OF SINGLE FAMILY LOT SIZES THAT WILL RESULT IN INCREMENTAL HOUSING IMPROVEMENTS.

A BLUNT FORCE APPROACH OF ALLOWING BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT OF DUPLEX TRIPLEX, FOURPLEX HOUSING UNITS OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS RINGS FAVORABLY ONLY TO DEVELOPERS.

TOO MUCH OF THIS UNPROVEN CONCEPT IS IN THE HANDS OF DEVELOPERS WHOSE INTERESTS ARE MORE FINANCIAL THAN ALTRUISTIC.

I EXPECT OUR CITY LEADERS AND NOT OUR STATE LEGISLATURE, TO CREATE THE VISION, THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION, AND THE FUNDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THEN I EXPECT CITY STAFF TO HAVE THE GUARDRAILS IN PLACE TO MAKE DEVELOPMENT MORE TARGETED, EFFICIENT AND STREAMLINED.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JACK COX.

I LIVE AT 7658 EL PENSADOR DRIVE IN DISTRICT 11.

I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT MY COMMUNITY IS ALSO SERVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN DISTRICT 12.

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT OR GET A BRIEFING ON EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATING OR THE POSSIBILITY OF ELIMINATING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IN DALLAS. AND MY CONTENTION WOULD BE THAT THERE ARE MANY LESS RADICAL, MORE TARGETED, AND LESS DESTRUCTIVE SOLUTIONS TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY CITY PLANNERS, INCLUDING THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION AND HOUSING PRESENTLY ZONED AS COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE, MULTIFAMILY OR INDUSTRIAL.

DALLAS COULD ALSO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY BY ESTABLISHING LAND BANKS, PROVIDING FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO BUILDERS TO CONSTRUCT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING

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IN SHORT, CHANGE OUR ZONING MUST BE CAREFULLY THOUGHT THROUGH.

SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE OUR SPEAKERS? MELANIE VANLANDINGHAM 6311 LAKESHORE 75214.

DON'T GLOSS OVER THE STUDY RESULTS.

THE HOUSTON STUDY, IF YOU LOOK DEEPER, SHOWED THAT 80% OF THE NEW HOUSING WAS BUILT ON PROPERTIES ALREADY ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL.

THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T IMPACT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T DISPLACE RESIDENTS.

LOOK DEEPER.

SO HERE ARE THE REAL SOLUTIONS.

TRY YOUR EXPERIMENT ON THOSE LARGE SWATHS OF EXTREMELY LOW DENSITY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES AND LARGE TRACTS OF VACANT LAND LIKE THOSE ALONG THE STEMMONS CORRIDOR, FOR INSTANCE, CLOSE TO HOSPITALS AND WORK CENTERS.

LOOK AT THE LARGE, BARREN CONCRETED AREAS RECOMMENDED FOR TREE PLANTING BY THE TEXAS STREET TREE FOUNDATION, OR IN LOW DENSITY, TIRED COMMERCIAL STRIPS ALONG LARGER STREETS WHERE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE WELCOME IMPROVEMENT WITH GREATER DENSITY TO BOOST MORE COMMERCIAL INVESTMENTS LIKE GROCERY STORES, FOR INSTANCE, AND NOT DEMOLISHING THE REAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK OF EXISTING HOMES.

THE REAL LESSON SHOWN IN HOUSTON, BASTROP AND THE PEW STUDY SHOWED THAT THE BEST RESULTS ARE LESS IMPACT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WHEN DEVELOPMENT FOCUSED ON PROPERTIES ALREADY ZONED FOR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND INDUSTRIAL.

NORMA MINICE 6219 PROSPECT IN D 114.

JUST LIKE BY RIGHT STRS, ADUS, DAYCARE CENTERS, THEY ARE ALL UP ZONING OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

ADDING TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEXES TO THE MIX WILL JUST SPEED UP THE PROCESS.

THIS IS A SCAM ON PROPERTY OWNERS, THE TOTAL UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE THE BIGGEST INVESTMENTS IN THEIR LIFE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE FACED WITH A CRISIS THAT THEY DIDN'T CREATE AND ARE BEING ASKED TO SOLVE.

WOULD BE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE PROTECT OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THANK YOU. DOLORES LEVY SOROCA, 4822 SWISS AVENUE.

WE WERE RENTERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

WHEN JIM AND I MOVED TO DALLAS WE WERE RENTERS.

WE BOUGHT A HOUSE IN A RUNDOWN, REDLINED AREA OF EAST DALLAS A FEW YEARS AFTER MOVING HERE, BECAUSE WE LIKED THE DIVERSITY OF THE AREA, AND IT WAS WHAT WE COULD AFFORD.

MANY RENTERS PREFER TO BE HOMEOWNERS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

I OWN A DUPLEX NEXT DOOR FOR PRESERVATION REASONS.

OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH RENTERS.

I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IN-TOWN AND OUT OF TOWN DEVELOPERS INVESTORS THAT ONLY WANT PROFITS.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH UP ZONING, LOT SIZE, AND ADUS BY RIGHT EVERYWHERE IN DALLAS BECAUSE THERE IS NO RECOURSE ONCE THE WRONG TYPE OF DENSITY INFILTRATES A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR MY OPPORTUNITY HERE.

WHEN CONSIDERING THIS PROPOSAL ONE NEEDS TO CONSIDER WHO BENEFITS AND WHO DOES NOT.

UH, DEVELOPERS AND INVESTORS WOULD BENEFIT.

THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE JEFF BEZOS AND NICOLE NOZICK WHO HAVE MILLIONS TO PUT TO WORK IN RESIDENTIAL RENTAL PROPERTY AND ZONING CHANGE REVIEW AND APPROVAL LIKE WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OR WITHIN THE CITY, INHIBITS THAT INVESTMENT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

IT'S VERY HARD TO DO, BUT IF YOU CAN DEVELOP BY RIGHT WITHOUT REVIEW BY CITIZENS, THEN IT'S EASY.

SO THE HOMEOWNERS OF THE PEOPLE WHO LOSE WHEN YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT.

IS THIS PROPOSAL OF DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT IN MY OPINION, THAT WOULD RENDER SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ZONING IN DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE NULL AND VOID.

AND IT IS EXPRESSED IN THE DALLAS FORD PROPOSAL THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THERE THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE NO LONGER

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APPRECIATE THE TIME.

GOOD MORNING, CINDY EHLSTERN, 10827 CROOKED CREEK DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

DISTRICT 13.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I SEE WITH FORWARD DALLAS IS THAT DEVELOPERS AND PLANNERS WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO INTERPRET PLACE TYPES.

THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE REMOVED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING BY IN ENTIRETY, BY ADDING ADUS BY RIGHT, IS A HUGE INTERPRETATION RIGHT BY FOR DEVELOPERS.

THE CITY HAS NOT DONE ESTABLISHED STUDIES TO ESTABLISH EXISTING INVENTORY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THE STUDIES THAT ARE DONE ARE FOUR YEARS OLD.

THAT'S A LIFETIME IN WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR POPULATION.

HOW MUCH EXISTING HOUSING DO WE HAVE AND WHERE SHOULD IT BE? WE DON'T KNOW.

WE HAVE SEEN LOTS OF BAD EXAMPLES OF DENSITY.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE 500 BLOCK OF WEST 8TH STREET IN BISHOP ARTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

ANY FURTHER SPEAKERS.

IS THAT WORKING? OKAY, GOOD.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS ANGA SANDERS, 3432 SPRUCE VALLEY LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS, DISTRICT THREE.

I AM HERE TO ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER.

NO, IN FACT, STOP THIS BLATANT ATTEMPT TO DESTROY OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE BOUGHT WHAT WE WANTED MANY YEARS AGO FOR SOME OF US, FOR ME, 42 YEARS AGO, AND TO ASK US NOW TO BE FORCED BY RIGHT TO GIVE THAT UP AND CHANGE OUR LIFESTYLE, OUR PEACE OF MIND, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE GOES AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERTED EFFORTS BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND BY SOME ON THIS COUNCIL TO TAKE AWAY ONE LOT, ONE HOME THAT WE HAVE LIVED WITH FOR SO MANY YEARS.

IT IS A MYTH THAT JAMMING MULTIPLE HOME STRUCTURES INTO ONE LOT WILL INCREASE.

THANK YOU MA'AM. DENSITY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.

I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE JOINED US IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY TODAY FOR THIS SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE OR NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, SINCE YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE HERE TODAY.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO THE ECO DEV COMMITTEE AT THE DISCRETION OF CITY STAFF.

THE INTENT, HOWEVER, SEEMED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO THE MAYOR ASSIGNED THIS TO THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS COMMITTEE.

TIME CONSTRAINTS OF THE MEMO REQUIRED US TO MEET WITHIN A FIXED TIME FRAME, IN ORDER TO FULFILL OUR OBLIGATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE MET THOSE GOVERNMENT DEADLINES, WHILE ALSO GIVING THIS ITEM THE TIME THAT IT'S REQUIRED AS A STANDALONE ITEM, AS A PROPOSED CHANGES ARE WORTHY OF THE TIME AND DISCUSSION.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK ALL THE DALLAS RESIDENTS WHO HAVE COME BEFORE US TODAY AND WHO HAVE EMAILED US.

DALLAS, LIKE MOST CITIES, HAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CHALLENGE.

WE ARE FORTUNATE IN DALLAS TO HAVE A STRONG, VIBRANT COMMUNITIES AND A THRIVING BUSINESS CLIMATE THAT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO MOVE TO DALLAS AND RELOCATE.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION AND TRUST THAT WE WILL MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE PROSPEROUS COMMUNITIES.

SINCE THIS WAS PROVEN TO BE SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLIDAYS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER, INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START THE PRESENTATION BY STAFF.

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BUT IN THE MEANTIME, GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE JOINED US.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

MY NAME IS ANDREA GILLES.

I'M THE INTERIM PLANNING DIRECTOR WITH PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

I'M GOING TO JUST KICK OFF THIS CONVERSATION AND THEN I WILL PASS IT TO MY COLLEAGUE, DR.

ANDREEA UDREA, TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFICS IN THE DETAILS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

JUST TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT THIS IS JUST A CONVERSATION.

THERE IS NO PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE, BUT IT IS AN INTENT TO START THE CONVERSATION AROUND THESE ISSUES.

I WILL ALSO WE DO HAVE A SLIDE ON FORWARD DALLAS BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT OR THERE'S BEEN MENTION THAT WE HAVEN'T YET TALKED ABOUT THIS.

WE'VE STARTED TO LAY SOME OF THE GROUNDWORK THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S PURELY GUIDANCE.

IT'S PURELY THERE ARE NO PROPOSALS ON THE TABLE ABOUT HOW SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, BUT WE'D BE HARD PRESSED TO BE TALKING AND GOING OUT THROUGH WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE KIND OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE DONE IN FORWARD DALLAS AND NOT HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE HOUSING IN OUR CITY AND SOME OF THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUES AROUND THAT.

SO I WILL GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, I WILL PASS IT TO DR.

UDREA TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNICALITIES OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, OF WHAT A POTENTIAL, SOME POTENTIAL PROPOSALS COULD LOOK LIKE, SOME OF THOSE POTENTIAL PATHS FORWARD AND SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF THOSE AND WHAT EXACTLY WE WOULD NEED FROM A PROCESS AND TIMELINE IF AFTER GETTING MORE INFORMATION FROM YOU ALL AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE FULL COUNCIL AS WELL.

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SO AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, THE IMPETUS FOR THIS WAS THE MEMO FROM NOVEMBER 8TH THAT WAS INITIATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST, BUT ALSO SIGNED ON BY A TOTAL OF FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND THE MEMO IN GENERAL WAS ABOUT EXPANDING OPTIONS FOR WITHIN THE ZONING MENU FOR A WIDER VARIETY OF HOUSING WITHIN THE CITY.

AND THERE ARE REALLY TWO PIECES TO THE MEMO.

THERE'S THE ZONING PIECE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A BUILDING CODE PIECE TO THE MEMO.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WITH US AS WELL.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP FROM THE BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE.

BUT IN SUMMARY, JUST LOOKING AT HOW WE DEFINE POTENTIAL USES OF A TRIPLEX AND A FOURPLEX, LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE OR LOOK LIKE TO REDUCE MINIMUM LOT SIZES, AND THEN AGAIN, LOOKING AT AMENDING THE SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO ALLOW, DIFFERENT USES BY RIGHT WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN THIS GOES TO THEN THERE WOULD ALSO BE FROM THE BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD INVOLVE CHAPTERS 53 AND 57 WHICH ARE OUTSIDE OF PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN. AND THAT MOVES INTO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REALM.

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AND SO AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE STARTED HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS.

AGAIN, NOT EXACTLY HOW WE DO IT, BUT THINKING ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE IDEAS ABOUT ACCOMMODATING MORE HOUSING IN OUR CITY, NOT ONLY FOR I KNOW WE EMPHASIZE SOMETIMES ABOUT PEOPLE COMING.

WE'VE HEARD THE NUMBER THAT WE POTENTIALLY OVER THE NEXT DECADE WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, SPACE FOR 300,000 INDIVIDUALS.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST THE 300,000 INDIVIDUALS.

IT'S NOT JUST THE NEW. IT'S ALSO EXISTING RESIDENTS, PEOPLE WHO MAY WANT TO MOVE INTO HOME BUYER OPTIONS, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO AGE IN PLACE, NEW FAMILIES.

SO THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE CURRENTLY AND PEOPLE WHO MAY BE COMING INTO THE CITY.

SOME OF THE KEY DISCUSSION POINTS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER PROPOSAL IT IS FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, THAT WE NEED TO TREAT NEIGHBORHOODS EQUITABLY, THAT THERE HAS BEEN CONCERN ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS SHARE IN ACCOMMODATING ADDITIONAL HOUSING NEEDS.

WE'VE YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT FOR THIS OR ALREADY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS, THEY MAY ALREADY HAVE A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES, RIGHT.

AND SO BY DEFAULT WE JUST THINK THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO EXPAND THAT THOUGHT INTO AREAS THAT MAYBE NECESSARILY TRADITIONALLY HAVEN'T HAD SOME OF THOSE MIXING OF HOUSING TYPES.

AND HOW DO WE DO THAT SENSITIVELY.

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REALLY IN THIS CONVERSATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AT DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS, NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PER SE.

THAT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT IS ALSO LINKED TO THIS CONVERSATION.

THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS WE ALSO TALKED A LOT ABOUT, I KNOW IN MANY CASES THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT A BLANKET APPROACH.

THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE LOCATION, THE CONTEXT AND DESIGN OF ANY NEW HOUSING AND DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT.

THAT IS CRITICAL TO THIS, AND WE NEED TO BE VERY SENSITIVE TO THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

WE DO HAVE WE'VE BEEN TALKING THERE WAS MENTION OF PLACE TYPES.

SO WITHIN WE DO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE THAT IS TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

IT DOESN'T GIVE, YOU KNOW, THE REGULATORY DE FACTO, YOU KNOW, GUIDANCE ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO GO WHERE AND EXACTLY HOW THINGS NEED TO BE DONE. BUT WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW WE ACCOMMODATE THE HOUSING WITHIN THE AREA AND LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, CONTEXT SENSITIVE GENTLE DENSITY, LOOKING AT WHERE ARE SOME OF OUR NON RESIDENTIAL AREAS, OUR MIXED USE AREAS, AREAS WITHIN HALF MILE OF OR A TEN MINUTE WALKING DISTANCE OF DART STATIONS.

AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT WHERE WE HAVE THEM NEAR EXISTING ACTIVITY CENTERS OR ESTABLISHED AREAS.

SO THAT'S BEEN THE BIG HIGH LEVEL CONVERSATION THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS THAT WE HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE ONCE WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL, CONTINUE THE DIALOG AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR INPUT FROM YOU ALL ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE.

SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO PASS IT TO DR.

UDREA. THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ANDREEA UDREA I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

I'M GOING TO CONTINUE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

WE'RE GOING TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT INTO WHAT OUR CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS RIGHT NOW.

AND HOW IS THIS TYPE OF OR HOW ARE DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING BEING ALLOWED OR CAN BE DEVELOPED BASED ON THE CODE. SO APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT TECHNICAL.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE 18 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

ALL OF THEM.

ABSOLUTELY ALL OF THEM ARE BASED ON LOT SIZE.

AND THAT'S THE MAIN DEFINITION THAT DEFINES THEM.

WE HAVE AGRICULTURE AND SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.

THERE ARE ALLOWED ONE UNIT PER LOT.

AND THEN WE HAVE DUPLEX TOWNHOUSE THAT ALLOW ONE AND TWO UNITS PER LOT.

AND THEN WE HAVE CLUSTERED HOUSING, MULTIFAMILY MANUFACTURED HOME CLUSTER HOUSING AND MULTIFAMILY ALLOWS ONE AND UP UNITS PER LOT.

ALSO WE HAVE SEVEN TYPES OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

AS YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE DEFINED R1 MEANS R1 ACRE.

SO ALL THE LOTS HAVE TO BE MINIMUM ONE ACRE AND THEY GO DOWN UP TO 5000.

FOR DUPLEX MINIMUM SQUARE FEET FOR A LOT IS 6000 SQUARE FOOT.

FOR TOWNHOUSE WE DO HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE.

HOWEVER THERE'S A COMBINATION OF DENSITY THAT MAKES THEM PRACTICALLY UNUSABLE.

CLUSTER HOUSING HAS THREE TYPES OF REGULATION LOT SIZES, LOT SIZE PER UNIT, NUMBER OF UNITS.

DENSITY WISE AGAIN MAKES THEM PRACTICALLY UNUSABLE.

MULTIFAMILY WE HAVE FOUR TYPES OF MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.

EVEN THE GENTLEST ONE HAS SUCH A LOW DENSITY THAT'S BASICALLY A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DENSITY.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

IF WE LOOK AT THEM, I HAD TONS OF SLIDES ON DATA, BUT I WANTED TO JUST SUMMARIZE IT A LITTLE BIT.

THE BARRIERS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THIS DISTRICTS BASICALLY LIMIT THE GENTLE DENSITY INFILL HOUSING IN A CONTEXT SENSITIVE MANNER.

AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THIS THROUGHOUT OUR PRESENTATION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENTLE DENSITY THAT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED IN A CONTEXT SENSITIVE MANNER, MEANING IT HAS TO FIT WELL WITHIN THE AREA THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED. SO THE MOST USED ZONING DISTRICT IN THE CITY IS OUR 7.5 MINIMUM, MEANING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 7500.

THE DUPLEX DISTRICT, THE SIZE LOT SIZE IS TOO BIG.

THE FRONT YARD IS BIGGER THAN AN R5 IT HAS UM, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S PRETTY HARD TO BE USED MID-BLOCK. ALSO ALL THE DISTRICTS FROM THAT ARE NOT RESIDENT THAT ARE, NOT R HAVE A LOT, UH, COVERAGE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY AGAIN, WHICH INDUCES A LITTLE BIT THE SCARE ELEMENT TH1 AND TH2, WHICH ARE THE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT.

THEY DO ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY, AND THEY ARE USUALLY USED FOR ATTACHED TYPE OF LIKE WITH 0 SIDE YARDS.

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FOR INSTANCE, A TH1 HAS A DENSITY MAXIMUM DENSITY OF SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

I WILL GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES.

R5 ALLOWS 8.7 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, SO THE TH1 THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE BIT DENSER TO ALLOW AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT MORE HOUSING.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BE USED UNLESS IT'S A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ZONED LIKE THAT.

TH2 ALLOWS NINE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S SIMILAR TO AN R5, RIGHT? TH3 ALLOWS 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

UM, ANOTHER EXAMPLE CH WHICH IS YOUR CLUSTER HOUSING THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO CREATE THOSE COTTAGE COURTS.

AGAIN, VERY SMALL DENSITY.

THEY ALL HAVE VERY SMALL HEIGHT.

UM, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, IT HAS A MINIMUM ONE ACRE SITE.

IT ALSO HAS A MAXIMUM 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND 2000FT² PER UNIT, WHICH IS THREE TYPES OF REGULATING HIGH DENSITY AND LOT SIZE TO ENSURE THAT THEY WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO BE USED.

SAME MF1 AND MF2 HAVE DENSITY CAPS PER UNIT TYPE.

THEY HAVE LOT SIZE.

THEY HAVE BIG PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE OTHER TYPE OF UNITS.

AND ALSO AN MF4 FOR INSTANCE, ALLOWS UP TO 80% OF LOT COVERAGE, WHICH, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT IT ALLOWS A BIGGER HEIGHT, LIKE DOESN'T LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR LANDSCAPING.

USUALLY WHEN YOU TRY TO CREATE DENSITY THAT IS GENTLE AND WORKS WITH NATURE, YOU TRY TO LOWER THE LOT COVERAGE AND ALLOW A BIGGER HEIGHT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THE CODE RIGHT NOW IS NOT NECESSARILY WELCOMING.

IT CONTAINS BARRIERS TO OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING AND NO SENSITIVITY CONTEXT.

WE DO NOT HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.

SO EVEN IF AN AREA IS ZONED R5, IF YOU ARE TO MAXIMIZE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR R5, IT WILL NOT WARRANT AND IT WILL NOT CREATE NEW HOUSING THAT IS SENSITIVE OR RESPECTFUL TO THE EXISTING HOUSING THAT WAS BUILT IN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THE CITY.

WE HAVE THIS EXAMPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THIS IS NOT A HOUSING FRIENDLY ZONING.

WHAT IS MISSING FROM THE CODE? EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

SCALE, DESIGN, PREDICTABILITY.

ALL THE DISTRICTS ARE THE SAME IS A BASICALLY A ONE SIZE FITS ALL TYPE OF ZONING CODE.

WHAT IS CONTEXT? SENSITIVITY IS SCALE AND MASSING AT NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, WHICH IS LACKING FROM THE CODE RIGHT NOW.

AND GENTLE DENSITY AGAIN, ONE [INAUDIBLE] THAT I WOULD LIKE TO EQUATE THE CONVERSATION WITH IS BASICALLY HOUSING OPTIONS AT HOUSE SCALE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

LET'S LOOK A LITTLE BIT AT THE CURRENT ZONING MAP.

THIS SUMMARIZES UM, HOW THE CITY IS ZONED RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN SEE A TABLE TO THE RIGHT OF THE RIGHT OF THIS SLIDE.

WHAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW IS AREA THAT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS MORE THAN 40% OF THE CITY.

YOU WILL SEE IN THIS GREENISH IS WHAT THE AREA THAT IS ON THE PD, WHICH IS AROUND LESS THAN 20% OF THE CITY.

AND THEN IN RED YOU WILL SEE MULTIFAMILY TYPE OF DISTRICT, WHICH IS ALSO THREE UNITS OR FOUR UNITS.

AND IT'S CITYWIDE, LESS THAN 5% ZONED.

WE DIVIDED THE CITY INTO FOR DALLAS.

WE DIVIDED THE CITY INTO SEVEN AREAS.

AND YOU HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF THESE ZONING AREAS FOR NORTH, CENTRAL AND ALL THE SOUTHERN DISTRICTS.

AND AS I WAS TELLING YOU, THE POINT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO OR WHAT THE MAP IS SHOWING US IS THAT MOST LAND IN THE CITY IS ZONED FOR SINGLE UNIT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

WHY ARE WE WELCOMING THE CONVERSATION? THAT'S WHY WE STARTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION.

AND TO START THIS DISCUSSION IS BECAUSE WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE NEED TO CREATE MORE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ARE POSSIBLE TO BE BUILT AT DIFFERENT PRICE POINT FOR DIVERSE HOUSING HOUSEHOLDS, INCLUDING MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSEHOLDS, SINGLE PARENTS, THOSE WHO WANT TO AGE IN PLACE, AND STUDENTS.

WE NEED TO THINK HOW TO ALLOW GREATER ACCESS TO NEIGHBORHOOD LIVING FOR ALL THESE TYPES OF CATEGORIES.

WE JUST MENTIONED ABOVE, GENTLE DENSITY IS A HOUSING TYPE THAT WAS ALLOWED IN DALLAS BEFORE THE CURRENT CODE, AND THIS HOUSING TYPE ALREADY EXISTS THROUGHOUT DALLAS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A FEW EXAMPLES.

THIS PRESENTATION IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER.

IT WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH SCHEDULING.

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WE COLLECTED THEM FROM ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS.

WE FOUND EXAMPLES IN FAR NORTH IN OBVIOUSLY SOUTH DALLAS, A LOT OF EXAMPLES AS WELL.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SLIDE AGAIN IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A PREVIEW TO SHOW YOU HOW THEY EXIST AND HOW THEY ARE DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO ON THIS SLIDE YOU CAN SEE SIDE BY SIDE SINGLE FAMILY WITH DUPLEX ON THE LEFT OF THE SLIDE, SIDE BY SIDE FOURPLEX AND SINGLE FAMILY TO THE RIGHT OF THE SLIDE.

FOR INSTANCE, IF WE GO TO THE RIGHT TO THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT, THE HOUSE THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT IS A FOURPLEX.

THE HOUSE THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT IS A SINGLE UNIT.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT PICTURE, THE HOUSE THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT IS A DUPLEX.

THE OTHER ONE IS A SINGLE FAMILY.

SO YOU CAN SEE HOW SCALING AND MASSIVE AND CONTEXT SENSITIVITY WORKS CURRENTLY.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS IN.

IT'S AN AREA THAT'S ZONED MF TWO.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OLDER.

ALL THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE IS FOURPLEXES.

THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A COMBINATION OF DUPLEX FOURPLEX, AND WE'VE SEEN RECENT NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE UP TO SIX UNITS, BUT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUILDING FORM.

AND THAT EXPLAINS WHY PROBABLY WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADD SOME CONTEXT SENSITIVITY DESIGN STANDARDS TO THE CODE.

NEXT ONE PLEASE.

THE SAME. THIS IS THE AREA BEHIND LEMON AVENUE.

I CHOSE THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S A COMBINATION OF A LOT OF ZONING TYPES, JUST TO ALLOW THIS LITTLE GENTLE DENSITY VERY CLOSE TO THE CITY CORE.

IT'S A CONSERVATION DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS ONLY SINGLE FAMILY, YOU SEE, TO THE LEFT OF THE SLIDE AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE SLIDE.

IT'S AN AREA THAT'S ZONED UP TO MF3, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DENSER JUST TO ALLOW ATTACHED UNITS INDIVIDUALLY OWNED OR INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED.

THERE ARE TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE YOU WILL SEE HOW THOSE UNITS ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE.

THESE ARE ATTACHED INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED, AND THEY ONLY ARE TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT, AND THE AREA HAD TO BE ZONED MF3 TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THIS TYPE OF DENSITY.

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ANOTHER ONE.

SAME BEHIND LEMON AVENUE.

THIS IS JUST TO SHOW AN EXAMPLE.

THESE ARE BASICALLY FRONTING EACH OTHER AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE OR A SINGLE UNIT HOUSE ON THE RIGHT OF THE SLIDE.

AND ON THE LEFT IS A MULTI UNIT THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE BLOCK.

AND IT HAS AN ALLEY IN THE BACK.

AND ALL THE UNITS ARE FACING AND HAVING ACCESS FROM THE STREET IS TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT AS WELL.

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WHAT DO WE SEE IN OUR ZONING.

WE TAKE OUR INTERPRETATION AS WELL BY THE ZONING CHANGES ACTIVITY THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY.

SO THESE ARE THE ZONING CASES THAT YOU SEE COMING IN FRONT OF YOU FOR APPROVAL.

WE SEE SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENTS.

SO WE DO SEE USUALLY PDS THAT ALLOW SHARED ACCESS, WHICH IS SMALLER LOT A LITTLE BIT OF A BIGGER DENSITY.

WE SEE ZONING UP FOR GENTLE INFILL.

WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF CASES IN VARIOUS DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN, THAT ARE TRYING TO GO FROM A SINGLE UNIT TO A DUPLEX OR THREE UNITS. WE SEE A BIG APPEAL FOR DUPLEX AND MULTIPLE UNITS ATTACHED.

A LOT OF CASES RIGHT NOW THEY'RE CALLING FOR A TOWNHOME USE.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT USE. SO WE CALL THEM MULTIPLE UNITS ATTACHED.

WE ALSO SEE SITUATIONS WHERE HOUSES ARE NOT PROPERLY ZONED AND THEY ARE IN INDUSTRIAL.

SO THEY ARE COMING IN ORDER TO REBUILD THEIR HOUSE OR TO IMPROVE THEIR HOUSE OR EXPAND IT.

THEY NEED TO ZONE FROM AN INDUSTRIAL OR A COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY OR A RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF DISTRICT.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A PREVIEW OF A GENERAL IDEA.

WITHIN THE PAST TWO YEARS, APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE CASES ARE WITH HOUSING COMPONENT, AND OUT OF THOSE, UP TO 50% ARE FOR GENTLE DENSITY OR SINGLE UNIT TYPE OF HOUSING.

THIS SHOWS US THERE IS A MISMATCH BETWEEN ZONING AND THE DEMAND THAT ACTUALLY HURTS THE SUPPLY.

KEEP IN MIND, ZONING IS A LONG PROCESS AND IT MAY ADD UP ADDITIONAL HURDLES AT PERMITTING AS WELL.

ALSO, I WOULD SAY THAT, FOR INSTANCE, IN BOTH YEARS WE ZONED LESS THAN 1% OF THE CITY'S AREA INTO THIS WITH THIS HOUSING TYPE OF ZONING CHANGES.

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SO BASED ON THE MEMO, WE WERE THINKING WHAT WOULD BE GOOD POINTS OF CONVERSATION AND HOW CAN WE DIVIDE THEM BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT.

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SO IF WE TALK ABOUT POSSIBLE PATHS FOR HOW TO ADDRESS LAND USE, WHICH IS A TRIPLEX AND A FOURPLEX, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ADUS AND DUPLEX THAT ARE THOSE ARE USES IN THE CITY.

SO WE WERE THINKING TO BRING UP THE CONVERSATION, ALLOWING ADUS AND DUPLEXES BY RIGHT ON ANY LOT TO DETACH THAT.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO, PER THE MEMO WAS CREATE AND ALLOW A THREE AND FOUR PLEX LAND USE AND ALLOW IT BASED ON CERTAIN CRITERIA. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH.

ANY TYPE OF CHANGE, ANY TYPE OF TOUCH TO THE CODE WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO, NO MATTER WHAT, INCLUDE CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO NONE OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE JUST LAND USE.

ALLOW THEM IS ALLOWING THEM BASED ON CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY OR THEY FIT WELL WITHIN THE AREA, WHICH IS HOW SCALE HOMES.

BOTH ALL OF THEM CAN HAVE THE SAME STANDARDS AS THE BASE DISTRICT, THE SAME LOT SIZE, LOT COVERAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THE SAME HEIGHT, THE SAME YARDS.

WE HAVE TO THINK VERY DEEPLY THE CAR ACCESS TO THE LOT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY VERY WELL REGULATED RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THE DUPLEX OR A LOT OF THE GENTLE DENSITY THAT IS BEING DELIVERED, IT'S EASIER TO BE FRONT LOADED AND IT HAS IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE STREET. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

SAME.

HOW WOULD A FRONT LOADED LOT FUNCTION VERSUS A REAR LOADED LOT? THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

ADUS MAY HAVE A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T.

ALSO, WE HAVE A CODE AMENDMENT THAT IT'S UNDER DISCUSSIONS WITH ZOAC FOR MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE LOT, WHICH IS, AGAIN, SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW. SO ANYBODY CAN PAVE THEIR SINGLE UNIT LOT, UNRESTRICTED BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A REGULATION IN THE CODE.

SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.

AND ALSO I PUT IN HERE KEEP REQUIREMENT FOR ONE TREE PER LOT WHICH IS MISLEADING BECAUSE ARTICLE TEN RIGHT NOW HAS UP TO THREE TREES R EQUIRED A LOT BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT.

SO I WILL READ YOU THESE THREE TYPES.

IF YOU HAVE A LOT THAT IS LESS THAN 4000FT², YOU NEED ONE TREE.

IF YOU HAVE A LOT THAT'S BETWEEN 4000 AND 7.5, 7,500, YOU NEED TWO TREES.

AND IF YOU HAVE A LOT THAT'S BIGGER THAN 7,500, YOU NEED THREE TREES.

SO WE ALREADY HAVE THIS.

KEEP IN MIND AGAIN, ANY LOT ADDITIONAL LOT THAT IS CREATED IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE TREE.

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WHEN IT COMES.

NEXT SLIDE.

WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING DISTRICTS BECAUSE AGAIN DUPLEX AND TRIPLEX FOURPLEX THAT'S A USE.

BUT THE TH OR D OR R THOSE ARE ZONING DISTRICTS WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING DISTRICTS WE CAN FOR INSTANCE CONSIDER HOW ABOUT CREATING A FLOATING BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR SMALL MULTIPLEX WHERE YOU CAN ALLOW A LOT OF VARIETY OF HOUSING.

HOWEVER, THAT CAN BE A FLOATING TYPE OF DISTRICT, MEANING IT CAN BE ZONED CASE BY CASE AND COME IN FRONT OF YOU.

UM, WE HAVE THE SAME.

WE CREATED THIS FOR MU.

MIXED USE DISTRICTS FUNCTION THE SAME.

WE JUST CREATED THEM. WE DIDN'T ZONE ANYTHING TO THEM.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE, LIKE ALL THE MUS, THEY DON'T HAVE A RHYME OR REASON.

THEY JUST GO ALL OVER THE CITY.

SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION.

ANOTHER OBVIOUS OPTION IS, AS I STARTED THE CONVERSATION SAYING, WHY THIS GENTLE DENSITY DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE DON'T WORK, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TIME TO LOOK INTO THEM AND FIX THEM, AND RETHINK THE ENTIRE APPARATUS.

WHY IS D DUPLEX DISTRICT DOESN'T WORK, WHY TH DOESN'T WORK, AND SO ON.

AND THINK, DO WE NEED TO OVERBURDEN JUST THOSE DISTRICTS WITH LOT SIZE REGULATION CAPS ON DWELLING UNIT OR BEDROOM DENSITY OR CAPS ON HOUSING TYPES? SO MAYBE NOT.

MAYBE THOSE DISTRICTS WILL NEED TO HAVE A GOOD LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WORK.

AS I WAS SAYING, THERE IS A LOT PATTERN REQUIREMENT IN THE PLANNING REGULATION.

LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT AND HOW THAT PLAYS INTO DOES IT IS IT A GOOD HURDLE OR DOES IT STOP PRODUCTION OF HOUSING?

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SO I THINK IT'S LONG OVERDUE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION OF FRONT YARDS RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET.

DO I WANT THE FRONT YARD TO BE A DRIVEWAY, OR DO I WANT THE FRONT YARD TO BE A LANDSCAPE? DO WE NEED A FRONT YARDS AND ALL OF THAT? NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AS IT COMES TO LOT SIZES AGAIN AS I STARTED MY CONVERSATION.

THE EXISTING CODE WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL IS BASED ON LOT SIZE.

SO THE SECOND WE TOUCH AND WE START TALKING ABOUT IT, IT'S GOING TO THROW US INTO THE FULL CODE REFORM.

I WILL, BRING AGAIN TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT YOU APPROVED AND WE STARTED A FULL CODE REFORM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODES. THAT, IN OUR MIND IS A CONVERSATION FOR THE ENTIRE CODE REFORM IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

SO AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE LOT SIZE IS, I WOULD SAY, THE BEACON OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE RIGHT NOW. SO THE SECOND WE START LOOKING INTO LOT SIZES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RETHINK THE ENTIRE APPARATUS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT DONE.

THAT'S HOW FORM BASED CODES FUNCTION.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT A CONVERSATION THAT IF WE WANT TO HAVE, WE CAN HAVE FOR SURE.

IT'S JUST THAT IT HAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING.

OF COURSE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS ARE WILL BE HAPPENING WITH THE CODE REFORM NO MATTER WHAT.

THERE ARE WAYS TO RETHINK ABOUT THE LOT SIZES.

AS WE SAY, EITHER CREATE A DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS THEM, WHICH WE HAVE THE TH BUT IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE IT'S COMBINED WITH DENSITY OR JUST LOOK ARE THE LOT SIZES TOO BIG OR TOO SMALL? THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN BRING UP TO DISCUSSION.

WE JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THEM AS WELL.

AND I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH.

AND I WILL SAY IT, ANYTHING THAT WE WILL DO IN THE CODE IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE DESIGN GUIDEBOOKS AND DESIGN STANDARDS FOR EACH ZONING DISTRICT FOR EACH CHANGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE YOU WITH A FEW IMAGES.

THERE IS A LOT OF RESEARCH AND LITERATURE THAT TALKS ABOUT CONTEXT SENSITIVE GENTLE DENSITY AND HOW IT CAN BE DEVELOPED.

THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES THAT STARTED TO MODEL THEIR BLOCKS AND THEIR EXISTING ZONING.

WE WILL PROBABLY DO THAT WITH OUR CODE REFORM, BUT BECAUSE THE CONVERSATION CAME A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, I'M JUST USING WHAT I FOUND IN MY RESEARCH.

THIS IS A BLOCK THAT HAS A COMBINATION OF GENTLE DENSITY, AND THE WAY THEY ARE COLORED, IT SHOWS EXISTING OR SOMETHING THAT IS NEWLY DEVELOPED.

THIS IS A GUIDE THAT WAS PUT FORWARD BY AARP TO ENCOURAGE CITIES TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO ALLOW GENTLE DENSITY.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

ANOTHER DRAWING JUST TO EXPLAIN WHAT HOW SCALE MEANS OR WHAT CONTEXT SENSITIVITY MEANS.

IT MEANS BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE SAME ENVELOPE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW MANY UNITS CAN FIT IN THAT ENVELOPE.

SO IF YOU SEE IT GOES FROM A ONE UNIT TO TWO UNITS TO FOUR UNITS, THE EXAMPLE WE HAVE HERE, IT SHOWS THEM STACKED THE FOUR UNITS.

BUT KEEP IN MIND YOU CAN ALSO HAVE THE FOUR UNITS ATTACHED FOR EACH CORNER, WHICH IS ALSO LIKE A HOUSING TYPE THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT DALLAS AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

WE'VE BEEN ASKED VIA THE MEMO, TO THINK ABOUT POTENTIAL EFFECTS.

IF WE ALLOW GENTLE DENSITY WITH OBVIOUSLY ADEQUATE REGULATIONS.

WELL, WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND WE'VE READ A LOT OF RESEARCH LATELY, WE'VE SEEN THAT THE HOUSING MARKET IS USUALLY SLOW TO REACT TO THIS TYPE OF ZONING REFORMS. THEY ARE ALL ENDORSED AND CALLED FOR BY ALL THE PLANNING AND HOUSING ASSOCIATIONS.

HOWEVER, THE HOUSING MARKET REACTS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER.

HOWEVER ALL THE RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THE HOUSING MARKET REACTS A LITTLE BIT STRONGER TO MULTIPLE REGULATIONS THAT ARE INTENDED TO STOP THE SUPPLY OF HOUSING.

SO THIS IS TO SAY, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE A ZONING REFORM.

IT'S JUST THAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER.

THERE ARE A LOT OF ACADEMIC RESEARCHES, THE RESEARCH PAPERS, ALL OF THEM LOOKED AT REFORMS IN CITIES.

SO THEY'RE NOT ACADEMIC BASED ON NUMBERS.

THEY'RE ACADEMIC BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE.

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BUT DATA SHOWS, AND THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE TOPIC.

I DON'T WANT TO MUDDY THE WATERS IN ANY WAY, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT HOUSING, LARGE SCALE HOUSING THAT REACTS DIFFERENTLY TO DIFFERENT TYPE OF REFORMS AND THAT DELIVERS A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, MORE HOUSING.

ALSO, EXAMPLES SHOW THAT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WILL REMAIN AND WILL GUIDE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

TYPICALLY AREAS THAT ARE IN TRANSITION ARE STABILIZED WHEN GENTLE DENSITY COMES IN BECAUSE IT ALLOWS OPPORTUNITY FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS TO REMAIN IN PLACE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION SHOULD BE ALLOWING HOUSING OPTIONS AND DESIRABLE LOCATION.

THIS IS A USUALLY IT'S AN EQUITABLE APPROACH.

THAT'S WHY CITIES LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT A FULL ON ZONING REFORM, BECAUSE THAT'S THE EQUITABLE APPROACH AND IT ENABLES FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

AND THEN FIXING ZONING AND PERMITTING PROCESS MEAN IT DOES MEAN FIXING THE CODE AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I HAVE A LOT MORE TO SAY, BUT I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR QUESTIONS, IF ANY.

AS FOR A TIMELINE, AS ANDREA WAS SAYING AS WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE FORWARD DALLAS.

IT'S COMING CLOSE.

SO THE STEP ONE IS TO ADOPT FORWARD DALLAS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

BUT THEN BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION AND YOUR INPUT, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE SECOND BRIEFING AT YOUR CHOOSING TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEEP.

BECAUSE WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS A VERY HIGH LEVEL CONVERSATION.

BUT DO KEEP IN MIND, PLEASE, ANY CHANGES TO THE CODE IS GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW THE NORMAL PROCESS.

COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, ZOAC, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, A COUNCIL, COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL.

SO IT'S A LONG PROCESS THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH ALL THE NORMAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESSES.

AND THEN STEP THREE, PLEASE DO NOT FORGET WE HAVE A CODE REFORM FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND THAT'S ALSO A CONVERSATION THAT IS HAPPENING.

THIS CONVERSATION IS A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THAT, BUT IT'S VERY MUCH WELCOMED.

AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PORTION.

I WILL GIVE IT TO OUR COLLEAGUES FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO TALK ABOUT BUILDING CODES.

WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO A ROUND OF QUESTIONS ON THIS FIRST PRESENTATION.

THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE FOLLOWING BRIEFING.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO MY LEFT.

AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THOSE NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

MR. GRACEY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

A COUPLE OF SIMPLE QUESTIONS ON SLIDE 12, REALLY BEGINNING ON SLIDE 12.

I APPRECIATE THE, I THINK WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING HERE IS THE CONTEXT SENSITIVITY OF THAT.

HOW MANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HAVE KIND OF HOAS AND REQUIREMENTS? AND THEN HOW MUCH OF A ROLE DID THOSE HOAS PLAY IN WHAT WAS DEVELOPED IN THESE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS? I WOULD SAY THAT WE DON'T KEEP COUNT OF THAT.

WE ARE HERE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE ZONING.

SO I WOULD LOOK AT WHAT'S THE ZONING ON THE GROUND, AND WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT GUIDE THAT DEVELOPMENT? OKAY. BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT A LOT OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T HAVE HOAS.

HOAS CAME INTO PLACE WHEN WITH SOME OF THE NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO A LOT OF THOSE JUST WERE BUILT THROUGH STRAIGHT ZONING.

FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU.

ON SLIDE 17, I JUST WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND EXPLAIN THAT I JUST DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW THAT LAST BULLET, ZONING CASES PAST TWO YEARS. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT TO ME AGAIN? YES. AND I HAVE SOME NUMBERS.

FOR INSTANCE, IN THE FISCAL YEAR 21-22, WE HAD 132 ZONING CASES THAT WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL, AND OUT OF THOSE, 43 HAD HAD A HOUSING COMPONENT TO THEM.

AND THEN IN THE NEXT YEAR, WE HAD 143 OUT OF THEM, 38 HAD A HOUSING COMPONENT.

THAT MEANS THAT, COUNCIL CONSIDERED AND GENERALLY APPROVED CASES THAT LOOKED AT INCREASING THE DENSITY A LITTLE BIT OR INCREASING THE HOUSING DIVERSITY A LITTLE BIT.

SO THE INTENT IS TO SHOW THAT THE MARKET IS TRYING TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE HOUSING.

THE ZONING ON THE GROUND IS NOT PROPERLY ZONED FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES.

NEVER MIND. PLEASE STRIKE THAT QUESTION FROM THE RECORD.

LAST QUESTION.

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THANKS. VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.

THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.

SOME OF THEM WILL BE EASY.

THE FIRST ONE FOR YOU IS WHAT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS COVERING TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEXES NOW.

MULTIFAMILY. THAT'S CONSIDERED A MULTIFAMILY USE.

RIGHT. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, DO YOU THINK THAT THE CURRENT OWNERS IN A DEVELOPED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD HAD ANY EXPECTATION WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEIR HOME THAT A NEIGHBOR OR MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS WOULD CHANGE THEIR AREA SO DRAMATICALLY? I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION OF ZONING AND LAND USE EXPECTATIONS OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

HOWEVER, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT OF THE TWO POINTS OF THE CONVERSATION WAS CONTEXT SENSITIVITY, MEANING HOUSING THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE. SO IT'S ABOUT HAVING AN EXPECTATION TO MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PROVIDES HOUSING.

SO THREE PLEX, FOUR PLEX, THAT'S A HOUSE AS WELL.

SO YOU MAY NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORS SAY, BUT WE'VE HAD FIVE FORWARD DALLAS MEETINGS IN DISTRICT 12, OVERWHELMINGLY AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM THEY'VE TOLD YOU THEY DON'T WANT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

OVERWHELMINGLY, I THINK PERHAPS EVEN DISCOURAGINGLY FOR YOUR STAFF LEAVING AT LEAST DISTRICT 12 MEETINGS, SAYING WE DON'T WANT ANY PART OF THAT. AND THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE SAYING CONTEXT SENSITIVE MEANS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE.

IT'S KIND OF A VERY DALLAS THING TO SAY, RIGHT? THAT IT'S ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF IT.

I DON'T THINK THEY CARE AS MUCH ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF IT AS YOU THINK, AS THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WANT TO HAVE MULTIFAMILY NO MATTER WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN AN ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, GOING BACK TO THE POINT OF FORWARD DALLAS AND THE CONVERSATIONS THERE, I ONE, WE DIDN'T HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN FORWARD DALLAS BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S MORE FINE GRAINED THAN WHAT FORWARD DALLAS GETS INTO.

AGAIN, IT'S LOOKING AT LAND USE.

SO WE WERE TALKING ENTIRELY ABOUT ACCOMMODATING ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES AND WHERE AND I THINK THAT THE DETAIL OR THE LEVEL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THOSE ARE ABSOLUTE CONVERSATIONS.

WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT TOPIC WHEN WE GET TO ZONING DISCUSSIONS.

AND RIGHT NOW, FORWARD DALLAS HAS BEEN THE HIGHER LEVEL LAND USE DISCUSSIONS AND HOUSING TYPES AND THE WHERE.

AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT IS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OF IS IT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL? AND THAT'S WHAT ANDREEA WAS MENTIONING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS PART OF THE REFORM AND THAT IS A BIG CONVERSATION, OR IS IT A ZONE THAT IS CREATED FOR SPECIFIC AREAS THAT CAN BE PLANNED OUT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SMALLER LOTS, AND THEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THE COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO THAT. THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT HAS TO BE HAD, AND IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFICALLY ON THAT ONE TOPIC.

SO WOULD YOU AGREE THAT BY PUTTING BY RIGHT, MEANING YOU DON'T TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN JUST DO IT DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES OR QUADS THAT YOU ARE EFFECTIVELY ENDING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

BUT I DON'T. I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT.

NO I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE IS NO.

SO IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND THEN YOU HAVE A FOUR PLEX, YOU DON'T THINK THAT YOU'VE JUST ENDED SINGLE FAMILY ZONING? NO. BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE.

I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT YOU HAVE FAMILIES LIVING IN THOSE UNITS, RIGHT? SO WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT IS TO SAY.

MULTI FAMILIES LIVING IN THOSE UNITS.

RIGHT. IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY LIVING IN A PARTICULAR UNIT.

OKAY. SO DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATION OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THIS POLICY CHANGE WOULD DEVELOP OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

I'M SORRY. COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATION OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THIS POLICY CHANGE WOULD DEVELOP OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS? HAVE YOU STUDIED THAT? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT? YES. CAN I ASK.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT GENTLE DENSITY MEANS.

LIKE, CERTAINLY. DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE GOING TO ADD 1000 ACROSS THE CITY OR 10,000? YOU JUST SAID 300,000.

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THAT IS THE ESTIMATION OF HOW MANY NEW WHAT THE INCREASE IN POPULATION OVER THE NEXT COUPLE.

I DON'T THINK THAT COG NUMBER IS SPECIFIC TO DALLAS.

I THINK IT'S A REGIONAL NUMBER.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

OKAY. SO DALLAS ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE ON THE FULL 300,000.

CORRECT. PER, PER THE DATA THAT, WAS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU VIA VARIOUS HOUSING REPORTS SINCE 2010, CITY OF DALLAS ADDED 100,000 NEW RESIDENTS, FOR INSTANCE, AND SO FORTH.

I'M SORRY YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS ADDED 100,000 UNITS.

THAT'S WHAT I FOUND IN A REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED.

YET IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE HAVEN'T ADDED 100,000 PEOPLE.

SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY SAYING WE'RE ADDING MORE HOUSING THAN WE ARE PEOPLE? IF THAT DATA IS CORRECT.

RESIDENTS MEANS PEOPLE, NOT RESIDENTS, NOT RESIDENCES.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'VE ADDED 100,000 RESIDENTS? THAT'S WHAT THE REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED.

IN WHAT TIME PERIOD? SINCE 2010.

OKAY. IN 13 YEARS.

AND HOW MUCH HOUSING HAVE WE ADDED IN 13 YEARS? I WOULD GO BACK AND LOOK INTO THAT NUMBER.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A STEP BACK.

WE PARTLY WE'RE TAKING IN INFORMATION THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION.

WE ARE NOT HERE TO HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS NOR THE PROPOSALS.

WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE COMING INTO A FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS.

SO THIS IS STEP ONE.

SO IF WE CAN GET ALL OF THAT DATA, IF THAT'S ALL OF THE PIECES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PUT TOGETHER, WE CAN CERTAINLY PACKAGE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND PUT ALL OF THE TIES TOGETHER.

THANK YOU. I WILL HAVE SOME OTHER DATA REQUESTS.

OKAY. WHERE IN THIS REPORT YOU ACTUALLY SAY THE WORD EQUITABLE A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT WHERE IS THE EQUITY FOR PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PREFER A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD? I THINK THE EQUITY IN THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY OR.

THE MAJORITY OF WHAT? I WOULD SAY THE EQUITY IN THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY IS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

SO YOU ALREADY HAVE.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT A PERSON COULD NO LONGER PURCHASE A HOME IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND COUNT ON THAT REMAINING SINGLE FAMILY BECAUSE ANY ONE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS COULD THEN MAKE THIS INTO A FOURPLEX BY RIGHT.

SO THEY ACTUALLY DON'T GET TO CHOOSE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE.

YOU'RE ACTUALLY DESTROYING THAT OPTION FOR PEOPLE.

WELL, AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

I'M SAYING THAT IS AN UP FOR A CONVERSATION OF HOW WE HANDLE THAT AS A CITY.

AS A PROPOSAL. AS A CITY, HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE THESE QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD? WE'RE NOT SAYING ANYTHING.

WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS.

HOW DOES THE CITY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE QUESTIONS? BUT YOU DID SAY YOU'RE LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR THIS AND THAT YOU'VE BEEN LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR THIS.

AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, I THINK YOU'RE WAY OFF BASE.

WE'VE BEEN LAYING THE GROUNDWORK OF HOW TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL HOUSING.

THAT'S IT. WELL, THAT'S.

WE STARTED THE CONVERSATION.

SO EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP HAS SAID WE NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS.

WE'RE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

WE'VE STARTED HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THIS IS A CONVERSATION HAPPENING IN EVERY SINGLE CITY NATIONALLY.

IF THE CITY OF DALLAS WON'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, IT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC.

WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND START TALKING ABOUT IT.

SO WE'VE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS.

AND TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO'VE COME TO US HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND TO SAY, WE CAN'T HAVE IT.

WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ENGAGEMENT.

WE'VE HAD A REPEATED REQUEST OF RESIDENTS COME TO CITY HALL TO TALK TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO TALK TO US AS A GROUP SAYING, PLEASE HELP US. PLEASE HELP US BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN SOUTHERN DALLAS REPEATEDLY WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE HOUSING POLICY, LISTENING SESSIONS BEFORE THEY WERE COMING OUT WITH THAT POLICY, I LISTENED IN ON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE.

SOUTHERN DALLAS OVER AND OVER AGAIN SAID, WE WANT SINGLE FAMILY IN SOUTHERN DALLAS.

BUT THEN WE GOT A PROPOSAL FOR OUR HOUSING POLICY THAT DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE THAT FEEDBACK.

AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HERE IS, WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING THE POLICIES THAT SAY, WE'RE GOING TO MASTER PLAN OUT SOUTHERN DALLAS WITH SINGLE FAMILY. WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING THAT PRIOR COUNCILS, I MEAN, I THINK THE ONLY PERSON WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WOULD BE CHAIRMAN ATKINS HAVE SAID, GROW SOUTH, LET'S DEVELOP IT.

BUT MEANWHILE, WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING IS TO TAKE HIGHLY DEVELOPED AREAS, MY AREA FULLY DEVELOPED, AND NOW LET'S ADD EVEN MORE

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THE THING THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED THAT WILL GENERATE WEALTH FOR PEOPLE, THAT WOULD ADD TO OUR TAX BASE, THAT WOULD PROVIDE STABILITY, AND INSTEAD WE'RE GETTING THIS PROPOSAL THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RENTERS WE HAVE AND DESTABILIZE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO NOBODY'S SAYING THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE OR DO A MASTER PLAN FOR SOUTH DALLAS.

I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.

I WOULD LOVE TO MASTER PLAN SOUTH DALLAS IN A VERY STRATEGIC AND THOUGHTFUL WAY.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE KEY AREAS.

AND CHAIR ATKINS, I HOPE YOU'RE LISTENING TO THIS.

YOU KNOW, I DO.

I THINK THAT THAT IS A FANTASTIC IDEA.

I THINK WE NEED THERE ARE GOING TO BE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO MASTER PLAN AND THINK VERY STRATEGICALLY ABOUT AND BE VERY CAREFUL, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT OBVIOUSLY HAVE MORE LAND AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND WE NEED TO BE VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT THAT AND HOW WE DO THAT.

WELL, THANK YOU. I TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE EQUITY HOUSING PLAN.

I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS REPEATEDLY.

I THINK YOU SHOULD GO DO THAT FIRST AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THESE OTHERS TO ME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VICE CHAIR.

CHAIR WILLIS.

THANK YOU. SO I HEAR FREQUENTLY FROM RESIDENTS IN MY DISTRICT.

MY KIDS CAN'T MOVE BACK TO DALLAS.

THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN DALLAS.

OR AM I MY GRANDCHILD JUST GOT OUT OF SCHOOL AND GOT THEIR FIRST JOB AND THEY CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE IN DALLAS.

AND I JUST THINK THAT'S WRONG.

AND SO WE KNOW WE NEED MORE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.

WE NEED DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, FOURPLEXES, ROW HOUSES, TOWNHOUSES, GARDEN HOMES.

WE NEED ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S MISSING.

THE NAME IS MISSING MIDDLE FOR A REASON IT'S MISSING.

AND WE DESPERATELY NEED IT.

AND I HEAR THIS FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO, OF COURSE, WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WE ARE THE NINTH LARGEST CITY IN AMERICA.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA FROM NOT LOOKING BACKWARD BUT LOOKING AHEAD, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE COMING OUR WAY.

SO I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE NUMBERS KNOWING WHAT IS COMING OUR WAY.

SO, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE MINDFUL.

YOU'VE CALLED OUT GENTLE DENSITY AND CONTEXT SENSITIVE.

I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD START.

WE KNOW WE NEED TO MAXIMIZE OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

I LIVE IN A TRANSPORTATION DESERT.

MY DISTRICT HAS LARGELY A TRANSPORTATION DESERT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BIG LOTS AND CARS.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THAT, LOOKING AT ARTERIALS AND INTERSECTIONS.

YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS IS I WANT BETTER GOODS AND SERVICES.

I WANT BETTER RETAIL, I WANT BETTER RESTAURANTS.

AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME DENSITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE WITH THEIR WALLETS READY TO SPEND MONEY ON THOSE THINGS.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A BUSINESS, GO.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST COMMON SENSE IN YOU KNOW, SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

SO THAT SAID, THERE ARE SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT WITH REGARD TO THIS.

WHEN YOU BRING UP A DISCUSSION LIKE THIS, I THINK YOU CAN DO NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT TO DO NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT.

WE NEED TO HEAR FROM OUR PUBLIC.

SOMETIMES WHAT YOU GET IS AUTOMATIC OPPOSITION.

AND SO I BRING UP THE POINTS ABOUT MY KIDS DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE, AND I WANT BETTER GOODS AND SERVICES.

AND THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT ARGUMENT IS HOW OUR CITY ADDS DENSITY AND WHERE.

AND SO THAT'S ONE SIDE OF THE ISSUE.

THE OTHER SIDE THAT CONCERNS ME IS ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH DEVELOPABLE AREA WE HAVE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS IS, I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE A LOPSIDED PHILOSOPHY WHERE WE TAKE A NEW PRACTICE OF SMALLER LOT SIZES AND, OH, SOUTHERN DALLAS, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE AVAILABLE LAND TO DO THIS.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO THAT THERE AND NOT HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE MIRRORS A LITTLE MORE.

WHERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE ACRE LOTS AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT SCALE OF HOUSES, WHERE IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT MIRROR WHAT YOU HAVE NORTH OF THE TRINITY, ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE TRINITY, SO THAT WE'RE NOT FORCING SOME NEW PRACTICE IN AN AREA THAT HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL. SO I WANT TO BE REALLY MINDFUL OF THAT.

AND I SAY THAT NOT SITTING HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF NORTHERN DALLAS, BUT OF SOME BECAUSE OF SOME CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH COLLEAGUES WHO ALSO WANT THESE KIND OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, WE DON'T GO TOO FAR ONE WAY.

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AGAIN, IF THIS WAS IN DISTRICT 13, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS THE SAME FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING CARS AND PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S JUST I MEAN, I DON'T BLAME PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR BEING REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

AND JUST WHEN I SEE WORDS ABOUT BY RIGHT ON ANY LOT WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THESE FORMS, IT'S VERY CONCERNING.

AND I THINK THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN REPRESENTATION OUTSIDE OF JUST THIS COMMITTEE IS A FEELING THAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE IN A BLANKET FASHION IS NOT THE VIBE I'M GETTING FROM THE ROOM.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE, I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE CITY.

SO THIS ISN'T JUST A MY DISTRICT THING.

I MEAN, THIS IS ALL OVER.

SO I'M SURE WE WILL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THIS.

BUT IF THIS IS A DIRECTION SEEKING EXERCISE, I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO REGROUP ON THAT ONE, BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE TO RESPECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT SAID, I KNOW WE HAD SOME SPEAKERS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, CAME IN WITH PREPARED COMMENTS.

AND SO IT SEEMED A LITTLE ONE SIDED.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME WHO MIGHT BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OTHER HOUSING OPTIONS THAT SHOULD BE HEARD.

IF I AM TO FEEL THAT THIS IS A TRANSPARENT, LEGITIMATE AND OPEN PROCESS.

SO, MR. CHAIR, I HOPE THAT MAYBE A FEW SPEAKERS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THEIR SIDE.

JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE WANT OUR CITY HALL TO BE ABOUT ETHICALLY.

BUT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING, I WOULD SAY LET'S REALLY HEAR EVEN THIS INITIAL WAVE OF COMMUNICATION.

THEN I WANT TO GO BACK JUST TO HAVE YOU DETAIL A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF WHAT THIS WOULD GO THROUGH.

DO A COUPLE ROUNDS, CHAIR WILLIS, IF YOU WANT TO WRAP UP YOUR OKAY.

ONE QUESTION. NO, NO GO AHEAD.

OH ON THIS ONE THIS IS THE LAST THING.

IT'S JUST I MEAN I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE SAY, OH, IT'LL JUST BE DECIDED AND YOU WON'T REALLY HAVE A SAY OR COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE A SAY IN THIS.

AND SO, YEAH, THAT DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT.

SO AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AT SOME POINT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD WANT TO TAKE US THROUGH WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE FROM IDEA AND DISCUSSION TO ACTUALLY HAVING IT BECOME PART OF OUR ORDINANCE.

WOULD YOU LIKE? I CAN RESPOND TO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.

WHAT WE IMAGINE THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT IT WOULD START.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET WE WOULD LIKE TO GET FORWARD DALLAS ADOPTED.

AND THAT IS OUR BIG PUSH AND OUR BIG GOAL RIGHT NOW.

GET LAY THE FOUNDATION OR LAY THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE FORWARD DALLAS, THEN GO BACK OUT AS AN IMPLEMENTATION OF FORWARD DALLAS AND START HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT THESE RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS, WHAT THEY COULD REALISTICALLY MEAN, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, THE TRADE OFFS, ALL OF THAT.

SO START THAT CONVERSATION AS AN IMPLEMENTATION EFFORT THROUGH AFTER FORWARD DALLAS.

AND THEN IT'S SO THAT WOULD BE BEFORE WE EVEN START DEVELOPING A PROPOSAL.

WE DO HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS ON BOARD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT REFORM.

I THINK THEY COULD HELP US SHAPE SOME OF THAT UP.

I THINK WE NEED GRAPHICS ARE GOING TO BE SO CRITICAL TO THIS CONVERSATION TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE IT IS VERY HEAVY WHEN WE JUST TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DENSITY AND DIVIDING LOTS AND WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND THEN SO WE CAN HAVE WE'VE GOT OUR INTERNAL STAFF AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE CONSULTANTS AS WELL THAT I THINK CAN REALLY HELP ON THAT.

AND THEN SO THAT ALL HAPPENS BEFORE WE WOULD EVEN GO TO ZOAC.

I ALSO IMAGINE WE PROBABLY NEED SOME BRIEFINGS TO YOU ALL BEFORE EVEN OR THE COMMITTEES OR THE FULL BODY BEFORE WE EVEN DO THAT.

THEN WE NEED TO START AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT HAS PUBLIC MEETINGS, THAT HAS INPUTS THEY TAKE AND PICK APART THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THEN THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CPC WHOLE LONG LINE OF, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THAT AND THEN EVENTUALLY CITY COUNCIL.

SO THERE IS A LOT OF PROCESS THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR BOTH FOR CODE AMENDMENTS AND ANY ACTUAL REZONING.

SO PART OF THIS TOO, IS WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC REZONING.

SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE JUST CODE AMENDMENTS, JUST CHANGES IN THE CODE TO ALLOW CERTAIN THINGS TO HAPPEN THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND CHANGING THE ZONING ON A PROPERTY.

SO THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR BEFORE ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN.

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YES A CODE AMENDMENT.

OKAY. SO THE LAST THE BUCK WILL STOP WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? OKAY. SO NOBODY HAS TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING BEING DONE UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY, I'LL ECHO THAT BY RIGHT IS A BIG RED FLAG FOR ME, AND A NONSTARTER.

I BELIEVE IN NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION.

I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH SOME LEGAL QUESTIONS.

WHAT WOULD IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD? WHAT WOULD IT BE THE CITY'S NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.

SO THAT IS GOING TO ENTAIL A LOT OF CONVERSATION, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD NEW STATE LAWS COME INTO PLACE WHERE THAT WILL IMPACT SOME OF THIS AS WELL.

I THINK WE COLLECTIVELY NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT BECAUSE WE WERE JUST SO THERE'S DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS IF IT'S A CODE AMENDMENT VERSUS IF IT IS A REZONING OF A PROPERTY.

SO THAT WILL IMPACT THAT FOR MAIL OUTS VERSUS ALL THE OTHER KINDS OF POSTINGS THAT HAPPEN AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A VERY THERE'S A WHOLE SUITE OF OPTIONS AND THEN DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS COME INTO PLACE TOO.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD MAP OUT FOR YOU ALL THAT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT FOR EACH PROCESS, WHAT IT WOULD ENTAIL AND WHAT THE NOTIFICATION IS.

HAVE WE ANALYZED WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE TO THE CITY ON MAIL OUTS? WE KNOW IT WILL BE ENORMOUS.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT GIVEN WHAT HAS COME DOWN FROM STATE LAW, GIVEN RECENT CASE LAW, THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS, THROUGH DIFFERENT CASES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE UNDERTAKING.

WE MENTIONED FORWARD DALLAS AND THE HOUSING POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

DO ANY OF THOSE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON ALLOWING FOUR UNITS ON A PROPERTY? HAS THAT AT ALL BEEN EXPLORED WITH THE COMMUNITY? THAT HAS BEEN EXPLORED AS PART OF FORWARD DALLAS AND BUT NOT IN THE SENSE OF ANY KIND OF BUY RIGHT OR BLANKET APPROACH.

IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FROM A ACCOMMODATING DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SMALL MULTIPLEXES AND WHERE THAT COULD HAPPEN IN DIFFERENT AREAS AND HOW IT COULD HAPPEN EQUITABLY.

AND I WILL SAY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR CCAP AND WITH OUR HOUSING POLICY.

BOTH HAVE TALKED ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND ALSO FROM A HOUSING RIGHTS STANDPOINT.

OKAY. AND HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS HAVE TAKEN PLACE FOR FORWARD DALLAS? WE HAVE HAD OVER 200 IN PERSON MEETINGS THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS AND WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF SURVEY DATA INPUTS.

WE HAVE HAD THOUSANDS OF TOUCH POINTS ON OUR WEBSITE, ON OUR MAPPING TOOL.

UM, AND WE'VE ALSO HAD UH, MULTIPLE VIRTUAL MEETINGS AS WELL.

WHAT TOOLS DO WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY TO ALLOW DUPLEX UP TO A FOUR PLEX WITHIN OUR TOOLS WITHIN CITY HALL? I'LL LET ANDREEA.

FOR MY PRESENTATION WE HAVE A DUPLEX DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T WORK NECESSARILY OR WORKS LIMITED AND THE TH DISTRICTS THAT ALSO ALLOW DUPLEX USE, AND WE ALSO HAVE MH ONE AND MH TWO.

BUT FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, EVERYTHING THAT'S UP ABOVE THREE UNITS PER LOT IS CONSIDERED MULTIFAMILY.

HOWEVER, THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GENTLE OR SMALLER DENSITY TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY VERSUS A BIGGER TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY, I THINK IT HURTS US BECAUSE IT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS A BIG COMPLEX, WHEN IN REALITY IT'S JUST LIKE A FEW UNITS THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE.

SO THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE, PER MY PRESENTATION, THEY'VE BEEN PROVEN TO BE HURTFUL TO THE PRODUCTION OF THIS TYPE OF INFILL HOUSING THAT IS CONTEXT SENSITIVE.

AND I WILL ALSO SAY I WILL, YOU KNOW, BE VERY FRANK AND HONEST THAT I THINK THAT OUR TOOLS THAT WE HAVE ARE SCARY FOR RESIDENTS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR MORE ZONING THAN WHAT YOU MAY ACTUALLY WANT TO GET.

SO IF I WANT A TRIPLEX, I WANT TO DO A SIMPLE TRIPLEX OR EVEN SOMETIMES JUST A SIMPLE DUPLEX, I HAVE TO ASK FOR MULTIFAMILY ZONING.

AND THAT'S FRIGHTENING FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE THAN AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TRUST THAT THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BUILD.

SO PART OF THE PROPOSAL, ANY PROPOSAL THAT COMES FORWARD, AS ANDREEA SAID, IS WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT CONTEXT SENSITIVITY AND INCORPORATE SPECIFICALLY DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO THEY'RE BUILT RIGHT INTO ANY ZONE THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

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WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT WE GET SOME DATA BACK FROM THOSE, PEER CITIES.

HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE? THE PROCESS THAT THEY TOOK IN ORDER TO GET A SCIENTIFIC CALCULATED, O UTCOME FROM THOSE CHANGES.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED DEVELOPING SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.

CURIOUS WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE REQUIREMENTS LIKE FIRE CODE REQUIRED DPD TO ADJUST PATROL WHEN AREAS ARE MORE POPULATED.

HAVE WE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN LOOSENING THOSE FIRE SAFETY REGULATIONS SUCH AS FIRE SPRINKLERS? AND I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF MORE ON THE FOLLOWING BRIEFING, BUT JUST WANTED CURIOUS IF WE'VE LOOKED INTO THAT AT ALL.

YEAH, CERTAINLY. THAT'S PARTLY THE REASON WHY WE HAVE OUR PARTNERS WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE APPROACHING THIS FROM A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL ANGLE, AND THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THOSE ASPECTS OF THIS.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ZONING.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LOOSENING ANY OTHER REGULATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH THOSE CODES ARE UPDATED PERIODICALLY AND THEY ARE NOT IMPACTED BY ZONING OTHER THAN, AGAIN, EVERYTHING THAT IS GETTING BUILT HAS TO COMPLY WITH FIRE SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH.

AND I'LL TRY TO DANCE AROUND THIS NEXT ONE.

BUT WITH THE CURRENT RULING ON STRS THAT DID NOT GO IN THE FAVOR OF THE CITY SO FAR, HOW WILL ALLOWING THESE PROPERTIES TO BE BUILT AS DUPLEX, THREE PLEX, FOUR PLEX? WHAT PROTECTIONS WOULD WE HAVE ON SHORT TERM RENTALS IF WE WERE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION? SO IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THAT, IF WE WERE TO CREATE NEW USES OR NEW ZONING DISTRICTS, IF THE BODY WANTED TO, YOU COULD DECIDE NOT TO ALLOW THOSE IN THOSE DISTRICTS.

AND I THINK ALL OF THESE ARE UNDER THE SIZE LIMIT, EVEN IF IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE MULTIFAMILY, REMEMBER THAT STRS WERE STILL 20 UNITS OR LESS THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED IN 20 UNITS OR LESS, EVEN IN MULTI-FAMILY.

BUT THIS WOULD NOT BE MULTIFAMILY.

IT WOULD BE? CORRECT.

IT WOULD BE SINGLE. THESE WOULD BE CONSIDERED SINGLE FAMILY.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO NON-COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND WE'LL START WITH MAYOR PRO TEM ATKINS.

OH. THANK YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS.

EVERYONE WHO CAME HERE WHO AGAIN SAID, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND? IF YOU'RE AGAINST THIS PRESENTATION, WILL YOU PLEASE STAND? IF YOU CAME HERE, YOU'RE NOT.

YOU'RE AGAINST THIS.

OKAY? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU KNOW, MY RESIDENT IS COMPLETELY AGAINST IT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

AND, YOU KNOW, 50, 50% OF THE PEOPLE LIVE IN SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

AND WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOUSING.

WE NEED MORE HOUSING IN SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

AND WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE HOUSING IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

WE ARE PROBABLY BUILDING OVER 1000 HOUSES RIGHT NOW IN UNDERGROUND WITH NOTHING FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO WE ARE BUILDING HOUSES IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

SO THEREFORE I'M JUST VERY DISTURBED.

THE PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURE, THE PROCESS OF THIS, AND WE DON'T HAVE NUMEROUS OF MEETINGS WITH FORWARD DALLAS IN MY DISTRICT WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WITH MAJED, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYONE THERE AND YOU'VE BEEN THERE.

THIS SUBJECT MATTER NEVER HAD CAME UP.

IF IT DID COME UP, IT CAME UP VERY, VERY, VERY LITTLE.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT I MEAN, THE DETAILS OF THIS NO THE ZONING NO, BUT ABOUT HOW AND WHERE WE ACCOMMODATE HOUSING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT AT EACH OF OUR MEETINGS. RIGHT. VERY LITTLE.

SO THEREFORE ON KEEN ON PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, I THINK RIGHT NOW WE ARE GETTING A CART BEFORE THE HORSE, THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FORWARD DALLAS IN 2006, 18 YEARS.

AND THIS SUBJECT JUST CAME UP.

IT LOOKED LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOVE THIS WAY IN FRONT OF THE CART RIGHT NOW.

SO WHY HASN'T IT CAME UP IN THE LAST 18 YEARS? WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST POP UP.

AND NUMBER TWO, IS THIS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THIS IS NOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? OKAY. THIS IS ABOUT HOUSING OPTIONS.

OKAY. SO I'VE BEEN HEARING THIS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO WHAT IS IT IS REALLY ABOUT.

THIS IS ABOUT HOUSING OPTIONS AND HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OR THINK ABOUT HOW THE CITY HAS A VARIETY OF TOOLS AVAILABLE TO IT TO PROVIDE MULTIPLE TYPES OF HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

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ARE YOU WAITING FOR THE PRESENTATION TO POP UP? WE HAVE IT. IF YOU.

THE RESIDENT, DON'T HAVE IT.

OKAY. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? PAGE SIX. I THINK MY PAGE SIX DON'T START WITH THAT.

MY UNLESS YOU GOT A FIRST DRAFT.

OKAY. IT SAID TREAT WELL.

OKAY. WELL, I GUESS, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE THE ONE FORWARD.

THAT SAYS TREAT NEIGHBORHOODS EQUITABLE.

ALL NEIGHBORHOODS. NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD HAVE TO SHARE AND ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL HOUSING NEEDED.

ARE WE TREATING NEIGHBORHOOD EQUITY? I THINK THAT'S A REALLY SIGNIFICANT QUESTION.

BECAUSE, NUMBER ONE, MY RESPONSE IS COMMUNITY OUTREACH, ENGAGEMENT AND PLANNING AND LAND USE DECISIONS.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT COMPLETELY.

ENVIRONMENT AND JUSTICE SUCH THAT POLLUTION, RESIDENTS AND INDUSTRIAL ISSUES.

STRENGTHENING EXISTING COMMUNITIES.

IMPROVE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.

THAT'S EQUITY.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT, YOU KNOW.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

IF YOU LOOK IN THIS PRESENTATION FROM PAGE 12 THROUGH 16, THOSE PICTURES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING, YOU LOOK AT SOUTH CENTRAL IN MY DISTRICT, A PART OF SOUTH CENTRAL DALLAS, THERE'S NO HOUSES COMPARABLE TO THAT.

SO I'M TRYING TO DO A COMPARISON.

WHAT DO YOU DECIDE TO PUT THOSE PICTURES THERE? ARE THEY COMPARED TO THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS AND HOW DID THEY GET IN THERE? AND YOU DID NOT SHOW THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THE INTENT OF THE PICTURES WAS TO SHOW HOW THIS TYPE OF HOUSES LOOK THE SAME AS A SINGLE UNIT TYPE OF HOUSES.

WE DID FIND EXAMPLES IN SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF DALLAS AND I WILL ADD MORE.

OKAY, THE POINT IS TO GET CLARITY TO BE OPEN AND HONEST.

IF YOU PICK ONE PART OF THE CITY, YOU SHOULD PUT ANOTHER COMPARISON.

YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT A COMPARISON.

IT'S ONE SIDE OF THE ISSUE THAT'S WRONG, THAT'S NOT TRANSPARENT TO THE RESIDENTS AND TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE SAID THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, YOU TRY TO COMPARE, BUT YOU DID NOT COMPARE ON PAGE 12 THROUGH 16.

OKAY. THIS PROPOSAL, THIS PRESENTATION YOU SAY YOU DID OVER 200 MEETINGS, BUT IN FORWARD DALLAS, YOU NEED TO GO BACK OUT.

AND LET THE RESIDENT TALK ABOUT THIS.

YOU HAVE NOT ENGAGED THE RESIDENT THE CITIZEN IN THIS PROPOSAL, THAT YOU PUT IT BEFORE THE COUNCIL, AND WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION BEFORE OUR RESIDENTS DON'T EVEN KNOW THE DECISION WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE.

I THINK IT'S PREMATURE.

YOU WANT TO RESPOND? GO AHEAD. NO, I COMPLETELY AGREE.

AND WE WILL DO THAT. THERE IS NO PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE.

THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE TAKE FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL, I 1,000% AGREE THAT NOW WE NEED TO GO OUT.

AND I WILL SAY AFTER FORWARD DALLAS IS ADOPTED, RIGHT, IS GO BACK AND HAVE THOSE VERY TARGETED SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BECAUSE THESE ARE BIG TOPICS.

SO I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

OKAY. TO DO THIS, WE DID 200 MEETING WITH FORWARD DALLAS.

NOW WE GOT TO DO ANOTHER 200 MEETING WITH THE RESIDENT, BECAUSE THIS BEEN ALL IN THE NEWSPAPER AND EVERYBODY CALLING ME AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH FORWARD DALLAS? WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT 18 YEARS NOW.

THEY ARE CONFUSED AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION AND WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY MY COMMUNITY.

AND YOU HAVEN'T SAID BY RIGHT.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BY RIGHT.

SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET OFF SKI A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RIGHT TO BUILD A WAREHOUSE IN SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS, RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY RIGHT.

YOU CAN DO THAT. THAT'S NOT EQUITABLE, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS AND THE CITIZENS IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S DOING.

THIS CAN'T BE ONE SHOE FIT ALL.

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I THINK WE'RE HEARING THAT LOUD AND CLEAR THAT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVER THE INTENT OF THIS.

IT MAY BE HOW THE MEMO CAME ACROSS AS A CONSIDERATION, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE INTENDING TO PROPOSE.

I THINK EVEN DR.

ANDREEA HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE WE WANT TO PARSE THIS OUT INTO KEY TOPICS THAT WE LOOK AT, RIGHT, THAT THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ADUS AND DUPLEXES.

THEN DO WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL MULTIPLEXES? I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT LOT SIZE.

THEY ALL FIT TOGETHER, BUT THEY AREN'T MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL TYPE OF CONVERSATION.

AND YOU SAID THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL, BUT PEOPLE THINK IT IS A PROPOSAL.

AND WHEN THEY THINK IT'S A PROPOSAL, THEY THINK IT WILL INCREASE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSES FOR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS.

BUT IT DO NOT.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ONE HOUSE HERE, HERE'S A DUPLEX, HERE'S A TRIPLEX, HERE'S A FOURPLEX.

YOU CAN PUT ONE LOT.

YOU CAN PUT FOUR HOUSES ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER.

BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO THAT'S A MIX.

SO THAT'S ABOUT A DEVELOPER HOW TO MAKE MORE MONEY.

SO WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT THERE.

AND LIKE I SAID WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR 18 YEARS.

AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO RUSH SOMETHING BEFORE WE.

OKAY, OKAY.

LET ME FINISH THIS QUICK. OKAY.

WE TRY TO WE TRY TO RUSH SOMETHING WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE.

PROCESS FINISHED FORWARD DALLAS.

WHEN YOU FINISH FORWARD DALLAS, GO TO ZOAC.

WHEN YOU GO TO ZOAC, IT GO TO CPC.

WHEN YOU GO TO CPC, IT COME TO THE COUNCIL AND WE VOTE ON IT.

THAT'S THE PROCESS.

NOW THIS IS A CONVERSATION.

GREAT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION FOR EVERYBODY TO COME HERE AND LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION.

GREAT TO HEAR. BUT WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION DOWN THE ROAD.

NOT TODAY. THANK YOU.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD.

THANK YOU. HOW MANY MINUTES DO WE HAVE? ALL RIGHT. SO NUMBER ONE, I NEED THE LEGAL TEAM TO COME UP.

I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION I WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO PUSH US INTO.

IT'S NOT GOING TO PUSH US INTO EXECUTIVE.

THANK YOU. I WANT TO JUST ESTABLISH SOMETHING HERE ON THE RECORD.

NUMBER ONE IS IN TERMS OF THIS SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, THIS IS A COMMITTEE.

DO WE UNDERSTAND, ACCORDING TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, THAT THE COMMITTEE FUNCTIONS IN AN ADVISORY ROLE? THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. SO TODAY WE ARE FUNCTIONING.

YOU'RE FUNCTIONING AS AN ADVISORY ROLE GIVING INFORMATION, JUST ADVICE.

ARE WE REQUIRED BY THIS CONVERSATION TODAY TO PROVIDE AN ACTION STATEMENT AND TAKE AN ACTION ON THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HOSTING? NO. TODAY IS JUST A CONVERSATION.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS STAFF WANTS TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE FIVE MEMBER SIGNATURES.

CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ESTABLISH THAT SO THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW THAT WE ARE FUNCTIONING ADVISORY.

AND WE'RE NOT ESTABLISHING FINAL ACTION TODAY.

ON THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.

EXCUSE ME. WE WERE TO BE CALLED TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS OF CHAPTERS 51 AND 51A TO DEFINE NEW USES CALLED TRIPLEX FOURPLEX, CONVERSATIONS AROUND REDUCING MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS TO AMEND SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX WHAT HAVE YOU.

IF IN MY CAPACITY I'M NOT A MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY BUT COMMITTEE.

BUT MY POSITION HERE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NOT TO SUPPORT A PROPOSAL THAT CONTINUES TO THREATEN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMING SUPPORT HERE.

JUST PROVIDING INFORMATION.

NEXT, I WANT TO SIMPLY SAY HERE ON THE EXCUSE ME, SINGLE FAMILY.

THIS CONVERSATION, I WOULD SAY FOR ME AND FOLLOWING UP WITH, MAYOR PRO TEM.

THIS MEMO IT'S FINE.

YOU KNOW, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THAT INPUT.

BUT WHAT I WILL SAY TO YOU ALL IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND HOUSING PROPOSAL AND SOLVING ISSUES IN HOUSING AND YOU WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE TARGET, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE TARGET IS GOING TO BE WITH YOUR EXPERTISE? AND WE HAVE ANYONE HERE AROUND HERE WITH HOUSING WHERE DO WE HAVE THE GREATEST NEED FOR HOUSING? THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

TARGETED. WHERE DO WE HAVE THE GREATEST NEED FOR HOUSING? DOES ANYONE? BECAUSE WHAT I WAS TOLD IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

STAFF IS GIVING DIFFERENT INFORMATION BECAUSE WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS THAT IT'S COMING IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

I THINK I HONESTLY THINK THAT IT IS THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN DIFFERENT FORMS. ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME SPEAK ON THE SOUTHERN SECTOR SIDE SINCE I REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS FOR OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T REPRESENT

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WE'RE JUST COMING UP WITH GRANDIOSE IDEAS.

SO WE HAVE SOUTHERN SECTOR REPRESENTATIVES WHO ENGAGE WITH CONVERSATIONS.

I ENGAGE WITH NEIGHBORHOODS.

I DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR, CALLING US, ASKING US FOR THE CITY TO INTRODUCE A MANDATED POLICY BY RIGHT, WHICH MOST INDIVIDUALS DON'T UNDERSTAND UNTIL IT SLAPS THEM IN THE FACE AND THEY SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

WE'RE ASKING FOR MARKET RATE.

WE'RE NOT. THEY'RE NOT KNOCKING ON OUR DOORS, ASKING FOR ANY TYPE OF INFILL HOUSING THAT DOES NOT SPEAK TO RAISING THE BAR OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET. THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

THEY WANT HOUSING WHERE THEIR CHILDREN CAN GROW UP IN THE HOUSE, PLAY IN THEIR BACKYARD AND LIVE A NORMAL WHAT WE WOULD CALL A NORMAL LIFE, WHERE YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE WITH NEIGHBORS.

SO I WOULD SAY TO THIS CONVERSATION AND PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING, WE'RE LISTENING.

AS A SOUTHERN SECTOR REPRESENTATIVES, I KNOW I AM I'M A LITTLE BIT OFFENDED BY THE FACT THAT THIS PROCESS IS ROLLING OUT, AND NO ONE HAS KNOCKED ON OUR DOOR AT ALL TO FIND OUT FROM ME WHAT'S GOING ON IN DISTRICT FOUR.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT DISTRICT FOUR, MUCH OF WHAT WE HAVE IS INFILL HOUSING.

AND SO I THINK THIS PLAN MIGHT WORK FOR A NEW COMMUNITY THAT'S NEWLY DESIGNED, BUT FOR THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND YOU SPEAK ABOUT YOU SAID ABOUT HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT YOUR ESTABLISHED COMMUNITIES THAT CAME, THESE INDIVIDUALS CAME IN, THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY WANTED SINGLE FAMILY.

DALLAS [INAUDIBLE] SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, SO THEY WANT DALLAS TO LIVE UP TO THEIR WORD.

AND SO WHEN WE PURCHASE OUR HOME, WE DID NOT EXPECT ANY CHANGES.

IF A HOUSE BURNED DOWN NEXT DOOR TO US, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A DUPLEX TO BE PUT NEXT TO US.

SO GREAT CONVERSATION, BUT IT IS ABOUT GIVING THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY ARE BEING TOLD THEY THAT WE ARE PUSHING OUT AND IN THIS CASE, A SINGLE FAMILY.

AND I DON'T WANT US TO CONTINUE DOWN THE ROAD COUNCIL MEMBERS OF ATTACKING ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE PROTECTED BY ZONING THAT THE CITY PUT IN PLACE. SO THAT'S I'M JUST HERE TODAY JUST TO ONCE AGAIN TO SUPPORT AND MAKE IT SIMPLE, SUPPORT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

AND WE NEED TO STOP ALL THIS BAITING AND SWITCHING.

SO BOTTOM LINE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO CLOSE WITH TODAY IS THAT WE ARE THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE WERE HIRED TO DO THE JOB.

THIS PARTICULAR BRIEFING SHOULD NOT THREATEN A JEOPARDIZE OUR ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY.

WE SHOULD SIMPLY SAY NO, HAVE A CONVERSATION, HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY AND MOVE ON.

BECAUSE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING NEED TO BE PROTECTED BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY.

THANK YOU, CHAIR STEWART.

IF WE CAN REFRAIN FROM APPLAUSE IN THE GALLERY, THANK YOU.

I THINK I SHOULD JUST SECOND EVERYTHING, AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM JUST SAID SHE WAS VERY ARTICULATE.

THANK YOU. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, OKAY.

HOW DOES THIS ZONING CHANGE IMPACT DEED RESTRICTIONS AND PLATS THAT ALREADY HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN PLACE? I DON'T THINK IT WILL, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

BUT EVEN THE SAME WITH PDS, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT SAYS.

AS FOR THE PLATTED LOTS, IT WILL NOT IT.

AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS, OKAY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING THAT.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS.

SO, UM, THE CODE AMENDMENT IS OFFERING OPTIONS IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY MANDATED OR PROHIBITING SOMETHING.

IT'S JUST ENABLING OTHER THINGS TO HAPPEN TO ADDRESS A NEED.

IT'S OPENING A DOOR FOR OTHER THINGS TO HAPPEN.

YES. AND IF WE HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS, THEN PLATS THAT DON'T ALLOW THE LOT SIZE TO BE ANYTHING LESS THAN 7.5, THEN IT THERE'S A GOOD PORTION OF OUR CITY.

I THINK THAT WOULD THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO.

I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM.

THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE, UM, JUST IN CONVERSATIONS WITH MY HUSBAND ABOUT DIFFERENT HOUSES WE'VE OWNED IN LAKE HIGHLANDS, THERE WERE DEED RESTRICTIONS OR PLOT RESTRICTIONS AND, AND THESE ARE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE 50S AND THE 60S.

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AND, UM, AND THIS DOOR THAT WE THINK WE'RE OPENING, WE WE JUST SHOULD CLARIFY THAT.

UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IN DISTRICT TEN, WE ARE, UM, CREATING DENSITY JUST BY THE MARKET DEMAND FOR THAT.

AND SO WHEN A SHOPPING CENTER IS TORN DOWN, TOWNHOMES ARE GOING IN.

AND WHEN AN OLD HISTORICAL HOME ON GREENVILLE IS, IS FINALLY TORN DOWN.

UM, THEN DAVID WEEKLEY GOES IN AND IS PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, ZERO LOT LINE HOMES.

SO I THINK WE ARE.

UM, DENSITY IS JUST HAPPENING, HAPPENING NATURALLY.

WHEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, THERE IS A MARKET FOR THESE MORE DENSE, UM, DEVELOPMENTS AND THOSE AND THOSE ARE HAPPENING.

SO I JUST I THINK THAT DENSITY DOES OCCUR.

UM, UM, JUST BY MARKET FORCES WHEN AT LEAST IT IS IN DISTRICT TEN.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, AND IS THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY WOULD NEED TO COME AND HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH, WITH ALL OF THE DISTRICTS AND MY PREDICTION AND I'LL SAY THIS A BIT GENTLY, IS THAT I THINK YOU'LL HEAR A RESOUNDING NO, THANK YOU.

UM, I THINK THEY WILL FEEL AND FOR EVIDENCE TODAY, I THINK THEY FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND, HAVE LIVED IN THEM SOMETIMES FOR DECADES, OR HAVE SPENT YEARS SAVING MONEY FOR THEIR DOWN PAYMENTS AND TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND SO I THINK THEY WILL THEY WILL WANT TO, TO PROTECT THAT.

UM, AND THAT'S EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU. CHAIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THAT I AGREE WITH YOUR PROPOSITION THAT WE NEED MORE HOUSING IN DALLAS AND THAT WE NEED MORE HOUSING OPTIONS IN DALLAS THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE OF ALL INCOME LEVELS AND LIFESTYLES AND STAGES OF LIFE.

BUT MY AGREEMENT ENDS WITH THE PROPOSITION THAT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD SHARE IN ACCOMMODATING ADDITIONAL HOUSING NEEDS, AS INDICATED ON PAGE SIX OF THE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T RECOGNIZE AN OBLIGATION ON THE PART OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO ACCOMMODATE INCREASED DENSITY AGAINST THEIR WISHES, AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.

WE ARE SEEING, AS COUNCILMAN STEWART HAS OBSERVED ALSO IN DISTRICT 14, A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN DENSITY OF HOUSING. WE HAVE SEEN SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS IN MULTIFAMILY ZONING DEMOLISHED ALONG THE FITZHUGH AND BENNETT CORRIDORS, TO BE REPLACED WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

AND SO OUR DISTRICT IS DENSIFYING.

WE GREW THE FASTEST OF ANY OF THE DISTRICTS IN THE LAST CENSUS PERIOD.

AND SO I THINK THAT THE GENERAL MARKET IS ACCOMMODATING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING UNITS.

WITH RESPECT TO THE TYPES OF HOUSING THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE TOWNHOUSE AND CLUSTERED HOUSING ZONING AND THE THREE PLEX AND FOUR PLEX.

I THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR THOSE TYPES OF HOUSING UNITS, CLEARLY.

THE QUESTION IS, WHERE SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED? I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED, AND WE SHOULD CLARIFY THE REGULATIONS TO MAKE THEM MORE USABLE IN GREENFIELD AREAS, BUT NOT TRY TO INSERT THEM INTO OUR EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND WATER DOWN OUR EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING BY MAKING IT ALL MULTIFAMILY.

I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE.

I THINK THAT WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED BY OUR RESIDENTS IN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, WHO HAVE WHAT THEY CONSIDER A SOCIAL CONTRACT WITH THE CITY TO ALLOW AND PROMOTE SINGLE FAMILY, TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA IN AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO CURRENT DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING SMALLER LOT HOME LOTS.

INCLUDING HIGHER DENSITY, INCLUDING A MIX OF DENSITY TYPES ON THE SAME STREET AS PART OF OVERALL MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS. I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOW I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

ONE IS ABOUT THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.

TO WHAT EXTENT IS IT INCORPORATING ANY OF THE CONCEPTS THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED HERE TODAY?

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UM, IT IS JUST IT TALKS ABOUT AND IT LIKE I SAID IN THE FORWARD DALLAS SLIDE, THERE'S DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WE SHOULD EXPLORE COMING OUT OF FORWARD DALLAS LOOKING AT THESE IN AREAS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CORRIDORS, ESTABLISHED ACTIVITY CENTERS, AREAS IN PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT.

UM, THAT IN, IN ALL HONESTY, THE THE WRITE UP OR SOME OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE PLACE TYPES ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THESE ARE PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY WILL STAY PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

BUT THERE MAY BE SOME LOCATIONS WHERE SOME ADDITIONAL UNITS ARE APPROPRIATE.

WELL, YOU DID SPEAK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION NODES.

UM, I THINK IT IS WORTH EXPLORING INCREASING HOUSING DENSITY AT COMMERCIAL AND TRANSPORTATION NODES. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ALLOWING MIXED USE OR INCENTIVIZING MIXED USE AT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE? THAT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.

I WILL SAY THIS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUSHBACK IN THE CONVERSATION OF NOW WE'RE RELEGATING NEW HOUSING TO INDUSTRIAL AREAS, AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DEAL WITH THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS IS THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HANDLED AND ADDRESSED HISTORICALLY IN A VERY DIRECT MANNER, AND THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THOSE INCOMPATIBLE, THOSE INCOMPATIBILITY ISSUES FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE STANDPOINT MOVING FORWARD.

SO I WOULD SAY WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO TEASE OUT AND MOVE AWAY FROM THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE NOT THE HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF USES, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE HISTORIC PROGRESSION OF THE DESIGN DISTRICT.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE AND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF MIXING.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT SMALLER SCALE GENTLE TYPE OF UNITS, NOT NECESSARILY THE LARGER SCALE MULTIFAMILY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN A MIXED USE CENTER.

I'M SURE YOU HAVE STATISTICS ON WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DALLAS LAND IS ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL.

HAVE YOU MADE AN ANALYSIS OF THAT IN LIGHT OF STANDARDS FOR SIMILARLY SIZED CITIES OF DALLAS STATURE, TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS ANY CURRENT IMBALANCE IN THE PROPORTION OF LAND DEDICATED TO RESIDENTIAL VERSUS INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL? YEAH WE DO.

WE DID DO SOME PEER STUDY ANALYSIS THROUGH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT FOR FORWARD DALLAS, SO WE CAN PROVIDE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.

THAT'D BE VERY INTERESTING.

ALSO, DID YOU CONSIDER IF WE INCORPORATED OR ALLOWED HIGHER DENSITY IN EXISTING OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE CAPACITY OF UTILITY SYSTEMS, STORM SEWER WATER LINES? WE HAVE MANY NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE 100 YEARS OLD THAT WERE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE STRICTLY SINGLE FAMILY USE.

HOW CAN THAT NOT HOW CAN THAT BE ADAPTED TO MULTIFAMILY USE? SO I THINK THAT IS THAT IS ABSOLUTELY BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

THAT AND EVEN IN THE WRITE UP FOR THE PLACE TYPES FOR FORWARD DALLAS, WE TALK ABOUT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT WE DON'T JUST WANT.

THIS IS NOT JUST AN IDEA OF PUTTING OUT HOUSING FOR HOUSING SAKE.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A PACKAGE DEAL, THAT THERE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.

SOME PLACES WON'T BE READY FOR IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.

THIS IS NOT JUST PUTTING ADDING ROOFTOPS.

THIS IS ALSO ABOUT BUILDING COMMUNITY AND STRENGTHENING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BEING MUCH MORE STRATEGIC ABOUT WHATEVER APPROACH WE TAKE.

RIGHT. AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WE'RE GOING TO GO VIRTUAL NOW TO, UH, CHAIR BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UM, I FIRST WANT TO START BY SAYING, UH, I GUESS I FEEL SOMEWHAT OF THE BIG BAD GUY BECAUSE I ACTUALLY GREW UP IN A DUPLEX, AND I THINK I HAD A NORMAL CHILDHOOD AND PLAYED IN A YARD, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY NEXT TO A BUNCH OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.

UM, I WAS ALSO RAISED BY A MOM WHO GREW UP IN AN APARTMENT, AND I THINK THAT SHE'S DONE JUST FINE.

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UM, THE NIMBY TONE OF THIS MEETING IS JUST OUT OF THE ROOF.

MAYOR PRO TEM IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE THAT HEARING ONE SIDE LACKS TRANSPARENCY, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD LOVE TO ASK FOR A CALL FOR EVERYONE TO STAND UP IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD, BUT THAT WAS NOT AFFORDED TO US WHEN THIS DOG AND PONY SHOW WAS CALLED.

UM, SCHEDULING A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, KNOWING THE AUTHOR OF THE MEMO WASN'T EVEN AVAILABLE AHEAD OF TIME, TO ME, IS DISINGENUOUS.

PORTRAYING THIS AS A WAY TO GIVE THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES IS ALSO DISINGENUOUS AT BEST, BECAUSE THIS IS THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS.

THIS IS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING THAT NO ONE'S, UM, REQUIRED TO BE AT.

AND I THINK THE FACT THAT CHAIRMAN WEST IS NOT A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE VALIDITY WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE TO ACTUALLY HAVING A CONVERSATION.

THIS IS CLEARLY AN ATTEMPT TO STIFLE THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY.

UH, THIS IS ALSO FALSE TO CONTINUE TO PORTRAY THIS AND PUT THIS ON STAFF AS THIS IS A PROPOSAL FROM THEM.

UH, THIS WAS FIVE COLLEAGUES USING A MECHANISM THAT WAS GIVEN TO US, UM, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER SO THAT WE COULD START A CONVERSATION.

NOTHING IN THE MEMO SAID THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO TAKE ACTION AS A BODY, BUT INSTEAD TO START A CONVERSATION, ESPECIALLY LEADING UP WITH THE TIMING OF PASSING FORWARD DALLAS.

STAFF IS RESPONDING TO A MEMO FROM FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, FOR THE RECORD, THAT WE DON'T PORTRAY THIS AS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DONE, UM, NEFARIOUSLY BY STAFF WHEN THEY'RE WORKING EXTREMELY HARD TO HELP WITH ANTIQUATED ZONING, WHICH IS A PART OF THE, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE WITH THE ANTIQUATED ZONING.

UH, ANDREA, DO YOU MIND? UM, UH, FIRST, JUST TOUCHING ON THE FACT THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT RENTERSHIP VERSUS OWNERSHIP LEGALLY, SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, DIFFERENTIATING PROPERTIES OF RENTERSHIP AND OWNERSHIP BASED ON ZONING? NO, UH, OUR ZONING DOESN'T MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, AND ABSOLUTELY IS NOT A TOPIC FOR ZONING.

AND EVEN WITH THAT SAID, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT DUPLEXES, EVEN UP TO FOURPLEXES ARE ACTUALLY SOLD PRODUCTS.

IS THAT ACCURATE TO SAY? I WOULD ECHO YOU TO SAY THAT I DO LIVE IN A DUPLEX THAT I PURCHASED WITH THE LAND UNDER IT, SO IT'S CONSIDERED A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

YEAH, I ACTUALLY KNOW SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES WHEN I WAS A TEACHER WHO DUPLEXES WAS THEIR ONLY OPTION TO LIVE IN THE CITY, AND THEY WERE VERY PROUD WITH THEIR PURCHASE OF, OF DUPLEXES.

UM, WHERE DOES THIS HOUSING MIX ALREADY EXIST IN OUR CITY? BECAUSE, UM, I HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE AND MY COLLEAGUES ON THE EAST DALLAS SIDE THAT I BUTT UP TO.

MY DAUGHTER GOES TO LONG MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND, UM, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT ALL AROUND LONG AND WOODROW WILSON HAS THIS MIX THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT.

BUT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY THAT HAS THIS ALREADY? YES. UM, A LOT OF OBVIOUSLY ALL DEALS IS DALLAS.

SO EVERYTHING AROUND THE CENTRAL CORE, BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS BUILT BEFORE THE CODES FROM THE 60S DO ALREADY HAVE A HOUSING STOCK LIKE THIS.

UM, A LOT OF WEST DALLAS WE HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF PICTURES FROM WEST DALLAS AS WELL.

UM, WE FOUND EVEN IN NORTH AND FAR NORTH, WE FOUND A LOT OF DUPLEX, UM, DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL, AND THE SAME IN THE SOUTH.

UM, THERE ARE ALSO A LOT I WOULD LIKE TO BE VERY GENTLE, UH, TOWARDS THAT.

THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF THIS HOUSING STOCK THAT IS NOT PROPERLY ZONED, AND THEY MAY BE ZONED INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL.

AND, UM, THE OWNERS CANNOT ACTUALLY IMPROVE THEIR HOME BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ZONED PROPERLY.

SO, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRETY OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THE AREAS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LEFT BEHIND AS WELL.

UM, EVERY NEW TYPE OF HOUSING THAT'S APPEARING AND IT'S, UH, THIS TYPE OF GENTLE DENSITY, UM, I WOULD SAY I WILL RESPOND TO WHAT WE SEE IN OUR ZONING CASES.

USUALLY THEY GO TO AN MMF BECAUSE, UM, EVEN IF THEY WANT TO BUILD A DUPLEX BECAUSE THEY CANNOT USE THE DUPLEX DISTRICT.

SO I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A LOT IN THE CITY, BUT IT HAS SO MANY.

IT'S EITHER EXISTING, EXISTING NON-CONFORMING OR IT HAS, UM, THERE ARE SO MANY BARRIERS TO NEW TYPE OF HOUSING, NEW TYPE OF HOUSING IN DIGNIFIED LOCATIONS THAT, UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

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I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO SPEAK TO THAT.

THE SEGREGATION OF SOCIOECONOMICS WAS MEANT TO ALSO BE SEGREGATION OF OUR RACE, UH, OF OF RACE TO RESIDENTS AROUND OUR CITY.

UM, WE DO HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE.

AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE HEAR OFTEN FROM RESIDENTS SPEAKING ABOUT THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT ADDING SOME DENSITY TO PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS DOES TO HELP PAD AND BALANCE PROPERTY VALUES? I THE SAME AS OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTER I WOULD ASK OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT IF THEY WANT TO WEIGH IN, BUT TO KEEP IT AS ZONING, I WOULD SAY THE INTENT IS JUST TO ALLOW.

EVEN LIKE SMALLER TYPE OF HOUSING THAT LOOKS THE SAME, LIKE A HOUSE IS AN ENTRY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEING A DESIRABLE LOCATION BECAUSE IT DOES OFFER, UM, THE STABILITY OR THE SERVICES AROUND IT.

BUT AS TO LAND PRICES AND ALL OF THAT, IF HOUSING DEPARTMENT WANTS TO WEIGH IN, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF ZONING.

THANK YOU. UM, WELL, I AGAIN WANT TO STRESS I GREW UP IN A DUPLEX.

I LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY ADJACENT TO TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE COMING IN THAT ARE ZERO ZERO LOT LINE, UM, ON SAMUEL BOULEVARD.

AND IT'S JUST ADJACENT TO ALL OF THE OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN BUCKNER TERRACE.

UH, THAT, THAT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND LOOK AT WHERE THIS ALREADY EXISTS.

I'D LOVE TO SEE DATA TO SEE WHERE REPLATTING HAS OCCURRED, TO ALLOW FOR THIS MIX OF HOUSING TO COME IN TO WHERE THEY'RE ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND MAYBE THAT CAN BE PRESENTED WHENEVER WE HAVE A MORE TRANSPARENT CONVERSATION AT A FULL COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR BAZALDUA.

I WILL GO TO A SECOND ROUND OF THREE MINUTES, AND THIS TIME I'LL START TO MY RIGHT WITH CHAIR WILLIS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD.

I MEAN, THIS IS A DISCUSSION.

THIS IS A STARTING POINT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF POINTS RAISED AS IF THERE'S A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS THAT THIS WAS TO BE A STARTING POINT OF A CONVERSATION, UH, TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PUT INTO THE FUNNEL. UH, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT OR SHOULDN'T LOOK AT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE PICKING UP ON HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY AND A BLANKET APPROACH TO MINIMIZING OR, UM, ALTERING LOT SIZES OR PUTTING DUPLEXES OR QUADRUPLEXES BY RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE NEXT STEP OF UNDERSTANDING THIS.

I DO FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, GET TO A MORE FINAL POINT ON FORWARD DALLAS.

BUT I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE AND DEFINITELY NEED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON IT, UM, AND RECOGNIZE OUR NEED FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.

THANKS. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON.

THANK YOU. WELL, FINALLY, THE NIMBY WORD GOT SAID.

UM, I JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT ON THE CURRENT ZONING MAP, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT VERY OFTEN, PEOPLE WANT TO SAY NORTH DALLAS IS THE NIMBY AREA, BUT ACTUALLY NORTH DALLAS HAS THREE TIMES THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING OF MOST OTHER DISTRICTS, AND MORE THAN DOUBLE FOR THE TOWNHOUSES AND DUPLEXES. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL REALLY AWARE OF WHAT THE FACTS ARE.

UM, THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN A CONVERSATION ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS BY.

RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A NEED TO PRESERVE THE PRIVACY OF THE NEIGHBORS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

IF MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME IN HER RANCH STYLE HOUSE BUILT A GARAGE APARTMENT OVER, THAT WOULD LOOK INTO MY RANCH STYLE HOUSES BACKYARD. BUT IF HER WINDOWS WERE ON THE SIDE, IT WOULDN'T.

AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF REFINEMENT THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WOULD DEAL WITH THAT YOU CAN'T DO BY RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

BUT IT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, NOT GRANT THESE KINDS OF ISSUES.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT PARKING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BOND WITH MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR STREET PAVING, WHICH WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING.

RECONSTRUCTION. THE TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE PAYING AD VALOREM TAXES, SHOULD NOT BE PAYING DEBT TO TAKE CARE OF A STREET BECAUSE WE'RE OFFLOADING THE COST OF

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LET ME ASK YOU THIS SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING? IS IT REQUIRED? IT IS REQUIRED RIGHT NOW? YES. OKAY. SO THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE IT REQUIRED FOR THESE FOURPLEXES? WE HAVE NO PROPOSAL.

THE PARKING CODE AMENDMENT IS IN DISCUSSIONS AT [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT NOW.

IT WILL COME IN FRONT OF YOU WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.

OKAY, SO THIS IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING, NOT PARKING.

I THINK PARKING WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PRESENTATION SOMEWHERE ABOUT NOT HAVING A PARKING REQUIREMENT.

THERE WAS NO PROPOSAL FOR NOT HAVING A PARK OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT.

OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS DEFINITELY ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE NECESSARY USE OF SPRINKLERS, THE FIRE HYDRANTS.

I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A NONSTARTER.

UM, DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.

THANK YOU, UM, COUNCILMEMBER RIDLEY, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

MY DISTRICT'S THE END OF THE LINE FOR THE WATER SYSTEM.

WE'RE ALREADY GOING THROUGH A TEN YEAR, UM, SIZE INCREASE OF PIPES.

THERE'S NO ABILITY TO ADD.

CERTAINLY NOT WASTEWATER, BUT ALSO DRINKING WATER.

SO THESE ARE PROBLEMS. HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FOR FLOOD CONTROL? AND SUDDENLY YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE MORE LAND IMPERVIOUS.

SO HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT FLOODING? THESE ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.

SANITATION CONSIDERATIONS, THE CLUSTER HOUSING THAT WE HAVE IN DISTRICT 12.

I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, ALWAYS PROBLEMATIC FOR SANITATION.

UM, AND I'M GOING TO SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS BECAUSE I CAN SEE I KNEW THAT WAS COMING.

THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER GRACIE, THANK YOU.

AND FOR THE RECORD, UH, I THOUGHT THE FIRST ROUND WAS RESERVED FOR QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK ON THE SECOND ROUND AND GIVE OUR CLOSING SPEECH ON THERE.

SO JUST SO I MISSED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE MY SPEECH.

SO I'M GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.

UH, AND REALLY JUST OPEN THIS UP AND JUST REALLY SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I THINK, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA WAS, WAS RIGHT IN TERMS OF MAKING GOOD POINTS IN TERMS OF, UH, HOW WE COMMUNICATE.

SO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR WHEN I SAY THIS PUBLICLY, WE CITY STAFF, COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB IN TERMS OF HOW WE COMMUNICATE. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE MEMOS THAT ARE INTRODUCED, AND YOU PUT TERMS LIKE BY RIGHT IN THERE, I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS TO HOW WE PRESENT THESE THINGS TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, WE WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

UM, THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS, I'LL ADMIT, THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

IT'S NOT A SECRET THAT DALLAS HAS A HOUSING PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT A SECRET.

BUT THERE'S ANOTHER THING.

AND THESE ARE SOME SMART SOLUTIONS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD.

I ALWAYS REMAIN OPEN MINDED TO HEARING SMART SOLUTIONS.

THE PROBLEM IS AND MY COLLEAGUE, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MISS ARNOLD, ALREADY ALLUDED TO IT.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH DALLAS, SOUTHERN DALLAS, THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, AND I'M USING THE CORRECT TERMS, BUT IT'S REALLY WE'VE BEEN ASKING AND I'VE SAID THIS EARLIER, WE'VE BEEN ASKING, WE'VE BEEN ASKING, WE'VE BEEN WAITING.

SO SOMETIMES WHEN THESE SMART SOLUTIONS COME FORWARD, THOUGH, THEY MAKE PERFECT SENSE LOGICALLY.

IT'S SOMETIMES THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR GET OVERSHADOWED BY ALL OF THESE SMART SOLUTIONS, AND THAT IS A CONSISTENT FRUSTRATION THAT GOES ACROSS ALL THREE OF OUR DISTRICTS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER POINT THERE.

THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GATHERING SOME OF THIS DATA, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IS ONCE THESE, UH, TYPES OF THINGS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHERE THE INFLUX OF PERMITTING AND ALL OF THAT AND HOW IT ALIGNS TO SIMILAR, UH, AREAS SIMILAR TO SOUTHERN DALLAS.

SO THAT THOSE ARE REALLY MY COMMENTS THERE.

I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR.

I WROTE DOWN NINE 1112 1413 THREE.

UH, THESE ARE ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT CAME AND SPOKE THIS MORNING AGAINST THIS OPTION.

SO I THINK IN ONE CASE, AS WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR OR THE POSITION HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR FROM AN ARRAY OF RESIDENTS WITHIN MULTIPLE DISTRICTS THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AT THIS TIME.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

CAN YOU CAN STAFF TELL ME THE POPULATION OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS TEN YEARS AGO AND AND WHAT THE POPULATION IS NOW? OH YOU WANT DOWNTOWN DALLAS NOT THE ENTIRE DALLAS.

UH, SORRY CBD DOWNTOWN.

YEAH, JUST. I WILL GET BACK IN A SECOND.

SURE. SO WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS IT HAS GROWN SUBSTANTIALLY.

AND THERE IS A PLACE FOR FOR HIGHER DENSITY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

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AND SO I DO BELIEVE THAT DENSITY HAS A PLACE WHEN IT'S PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, WHEN IT'S A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHEN YOU SEE ENTIRE BLOCKS THAT CAN BE ROW HOUSES OR TOWNHOMES, THAT IS APPROPRIATE.

UM. WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER LINES A LITTLE BIT, AND WHAT CODES WOULD WE HAVE TO CHANGE IF THERE ARE UTILITIES RUNNING UNDERNEATH SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY? DO YOU HAVE ANYONE WHO CAN HANDLE THAT QUESTION? THAT'S OUT OF MY PURVIEW.

GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. UH, MY NAME IS ALEX [INAUDIBLE] WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER FOR RESIDENTIAL PERMITTING.

UM, RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT ALLOW SOMEONE TO BUILD OVER, UM, EXISTING WATER LINES.

SO HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT SOMEONE'S PROPERTY IF THEY PLAN TO DO AN EXPANSION ON THEIR HOME, OR IF THEY PLAN TO PLANT A TREE AND THERE'S UTILITIES THAT DON'T BELONG TO THAT HOUSEHOLD UNDERNEATH THEM.

DOES THAT PREVENT SOMEONE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS? THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP ANYTHING OVER THAT OVER THAT AREA.

SO I WANT TO MAKE THIS CLEAR.

I SUPPORT DENSITY, I SUPPORT HAVING MORE PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO LIVE IN OUR CITY OF DALLAS, BUT IT HAS TO BE IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACE.

AND SO I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ACROSS THIS HORSESHOE.

THIS CANNOT BE A BLANKET APPROACH.

AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS OF CPC AND [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN COUNCIL.

I DO ASK MYSELF, DO WE EVEN NEED TO START THERE? UM, OR IS THIS THE BODY TELLING US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE CYCLE TO, UM, LIMIT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY, UH, WHERE TO START WITH THIS BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD BEFORE US TODAY. UM, ALL I KNOW IS THAT THIS IS GOING TOO FAST.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM FROM STAFF THAT THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION.

UH, BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S EVEN A DISCUSSION THAT IS SUPPORTED BROADLY.

UM, AND WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO NOW GO TO OUR NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND I'LL START WITH, UM, MAYOR PRO TEM ATKINS, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, UH, I THINK ABOUT UPTOWN, YOU KNOW, UPTOWN, A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHERE I UPTOWN.

IT WAS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.

WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH ZONING CHANGING TO GET THAT DONE.

BUT YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL HOW YOU DO DENSITY.

BUT I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS IS PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS IS A YOUNG PART OF THE CITY.

AND YOU GOT TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU RAISE THAT CHILD.

AND WE FEEL LIKE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS, CERTAIN THING WE NEED, WE DON'T HAVE WE STILL DON'T SEWAGE, YOU KNOW, DO HAVE DO NOT HAVE THE PROPER SEWAGE.

WE STILL DON'T SEPARATE TANK IN SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

WE STILL BY RIGHTS, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ZONING.

IT'S IT'S NOT COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER ZONING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

BUT THIS FALL WITH DALLAS AGAIN, 18 YEARS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.

GREAT CONVERSATION, BUT PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, I THINK NOTHING SHOULD BE SHOVED DOWN THE RESIDENT THROAT UNLESS YOU HAVE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE AND COMMUNICATION.

AND YOU KNOW WITH ME ALL MY TOWN HALL MEETING AT [INAUDIBLE] HILL REC CENTER, WE HAD NUMEROUS TOWN HALL MEETINGS.

BUT THE COMMUNICATION IS THE KEY, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS NOT BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE COMMUNITY.

IF IT HAD BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE COMMUNITY PROPERLY, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS ONE OFF DISCUSSION TODAY.

SO HOW DO WE GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, YES, THIS IS A COMMUNICATION.

HOW DO YOU DO THAT? WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS COMING OUT OF THIS TODAY, SO I DON'T GET A SENSE THAT WE'RE IN ANY RUSH TO COME UP WITH AN IMMEDIATE SET OF PROPOSALS FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THESE ITEMS, AS

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SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE TO GET US WE ARE ABOUT TO GO TO WE HAVE THE LAST MEETING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE FOR FORWARD DALLAS IN JANUARY.

THEY ARE GOING TO THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CPC.

IT WILL START AT THE CPC PROCESS, AND I AM HOPING AND CROSSING MY FINGERS THAT THE STARS WILL ALIGN, THAT BEFORE COUNCIL GOES INTO RECESS THIS YEAR. SORRY 2024 THAT WE CAN GET FORWARD DALLAS ADOPTED.

I THINK WE CAN START PREPARING THINGS IN THE BACKGROUND OF CERTAIN OPTIONS, OF TIERED OPTIONS OF WHAT.

BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADUS, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO START SEEING SOMETHING ON THE PAPER, ON PAPER OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY ADUS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S PRETTY OPEN.

YOU HAVE NO PREDICTABILITY, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET.

THERE ARE WAYS TO HANDLE THAT.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONCRETE ABOUT THAT.

WE NEED TO BREAK EACH OF THESE ISSUES DOWN AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS THAT EVERYONE CAN KIND OF DIGEST AND THEN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.

SO I WOULD SAY IN THE NEW YEAR, WE START FORMULATING SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS TO PREPARE FOR A DISCUSSION COMING OUT OF FORWARD DALLAS WITH SOME ACTUAL SOME POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING IN THE ABSTRACT.

AND WHEN YOU SAY CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT, YOU COULD GET THIS AND THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT.

YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT YOU COULD GET AND WHAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT.

SO I THINK COMING OUT OF THAT, UM, COMING OUT OF FORWARD DALLAS, I THINK IT'S A REALISTIC OPTION.

I THINK WE HAVE OUR OFFICE GETS QUESTIONS EVERY SINGLE DAY ABOUT I WANT THIS NEW PD FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WANT THIS DESIGN OVERLAY FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I WANT THIS DISTRICT FOR MY NEIGHBOR.

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE I CAN'T GO TO EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CREATE A NEW DISTRICT FOR EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THE CITY'S GOT TO FIGURE OUT AN UPDATED APPROACH SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN FEEL PROTECTED, AND THAT WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE STABILIZING THROUGH ADDITIONAL HOUSING.

SO I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO START PREPARING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION COME OUT OF THIS WITH SOME ACTUAL RECOMMENDATIONS SHORTLY AFTER FORWARD DALLAS IS ADOPTED.

OKAY. AND BY SAYING THAT, HOW DO WE GO AND TALK TO THE RESIDENT AND SAY, OKAY, IF A TRIPLEX OR A FOURPLEX IS GOING TO BE BUILT NEXT TO YOU AND YOU GOT A COMMUNITY WITH 400 UNIT HOUSES, AND THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF THAT COMMUNITY.

WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION.

WE'RE NOT EVEN AT THE POINT OF SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

THAT IS, IF WE DID A CITYWIDE BLANKET APPROACH, MAYBE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE'RE DOING THAT.

SO MAYBE WE'RE FOCUSING ON CERTAIN IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON, SAY, WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK OF A DART STATION, I'M GOING TO GATHER ALL THOSE PEOPLE WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK OF A DART STATION AND START HAVING A CONVERSATION OF WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW.

NOT TRYING TO RUSH EVERYTHING, BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T RUSH THE PLAN AND CREATE A TRAIN WRECK DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THE POINT IS, I THINK WE RUSHING THE PLAN OF 18 YEARS.

WE JUST CAME UP WITH THIS BECAUSE NEW YORK AND CHICAGO ARE DOING IT.

BUT WE IN DALLAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN TEXAS, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT.

I WOULD SAY THIS TO BE FAIR, THIS THIS IS A THIS IS ACTUALLY A DELAYED CONVERSATION.

WE ARE LATE TO THE GAME ON THIS CONVERSATION TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK, THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE ADDRESSED THIS TEN YEARS AGO, AND WE ARE NOW JUST STARTING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

I THINK THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

OUR HOUSES ARE THE PRESSURE ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING.

OUR CITY IS CHANGING, SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADAPT TO THAT CHANGE? AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PRESCRIBING ANYTHING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

BUT THE REALITY IS WE NEED TO PICK UP THE PACE ON THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE OUR CITY IS CHANGING.

SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? WE NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT.

BY SAYING THAT WE NEED TO ADAPT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

YOU CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE GOT.

SO THEREFORE WE NEED TO PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE BEFORE YOU ADAPT TO CHANGES YOU CANNOT BUILD.

THEY WILL NOT BUILD IF YOU DON'T HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE.

AGREED. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD, THANK YOU.

JUST STAYING ON THE CONVERSATION TODAY.

WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO.

UH, REGARDING THIS, UH, THE USE OF THOSE ITEMS, THE ELEMENTS THAT WE DESCRIBED TODAY.

BUT WHAT I WOULD SIMPLY SAY, AS WE PLAN, ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY STATEMENT IS CLEAR ON OUR

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THERE SHOULDN'T BE A BAIT AND SWITCH.

MOST PEOPLE, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATA WHO CHOSE TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY MADE A DECISION AS A FREE PERSON.

I MOVED, WE MOVED, NOT I, WE MOVED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE CHOSE WE'RE FREE PEOPLE.

WE CHOSE TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS DALLAS TO HOLD UP ITS WORD.

SINGLE FAMILY.

NOW, WHEREVER YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IS YOUR BUSINESS.

BUT WE DO HAVE FOLKS WHO CHOSE CHOSE TO BUILD A HOUSE IN SINGLE FAMILY, OR THEY'RE COMING BACK TO A FAMILY HOME THAT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO PASS DOWN AS A LEGACY BECAUSE OF THE ZONING.

BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY, AS WE TALK ABOUT PLANNING, I HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE POORLY PLANNED.

AND SO AS A RESULT, NOW I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT DUPLICATED WHERE FIRST RESPONDERS CAN'T GET DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE YOU'RE FORCED ALL THE PARKING ON THE STREET.

YOU MAY HAVE 1 OR 2 CAR GARAGES, NO BACK BACK ENTRY, SO BULK TRASH HAS TO COME OUT ON THE FRONT, SANITATION ON THE FRONT.

ALL WHEN YOU HAVE FAMILY GATHERINGS, PARKING ON THE FRONT.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T REPEAT THE HISTORY THAT I KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF DIVERSITY.

ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS IN DISTRICT FOUR THAT HAVE SINGLE FAMILY [INAUDIBLE] AND A DUPLEX NEXT DOOR.

THAT'S COOL. AND AS WE USED TO SAY, THAT'S COOL IN THE GAME.

BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IS A BY RIGHT DOCTRINE ENFORCED ON A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING THAT ALREADY EXISTS. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP NEW AREAS, I HAVE SOME 21 ACRES THAT I'M ENGAGING IN RIGHT NOW WITH THE DEVELOPER.

WE CAN EXPLORE AND WE CAN HAVE GREAT FUN AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE HOUSING.

BUT I THINK TODAY WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO.

I'M GOING TO VOTE NO IF I IF IT EVER COMES UP IN TERMS OF A POLICY BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR DALLAS, AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR US TO BE, UH, ABSOLUTELY DERELICT IN OUR DUTIES TO TO BAIT AND SWITCH ON INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DEPENDED ON US TO BE A CITY OF OUR WORD, SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES.

YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH THE OTHER CONVERSATION AROUND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CHANGE, PUT LODGING NEXT DOOR TO THE FAMILY, TO THE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY.

LET'S JUST BE ABOUT WHO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT IN THIS CITY, A CITY OF OUR WORD.

AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU ALL WITH TODAY.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

BUT I WANT THE FAMILIES IN THE SINGLE ZONE FAMILY, SINGLE DISTRICT, SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE THEIR BEST INTEREST AT HEART.

AND SO WHEN WE DRIVE DOWN AND SEE ALL OF THE HOUSING AND WITH THE LIGHTS AND TREES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WE WANT TO SALUTE THOSE FAMILIES AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IN THIS CITY.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE, BECAUSE I REALLY MADE A CHOICE TO BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THIS WAS SO VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR DISTRICT.

THANK YOU. UNDERSTAND? THANK YOU.

UH, CHAIRWOMAN STEWART.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

DALLAS HAS THE LUXURY OF HAVING MUCH UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.

UNLIKE MANY OLDER EASTERN CITIES, WHICH ARE COMPLETELY DEVELOPED AS A RESULT.

I THINK THAT OUR CONVERSATION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON ADDRESSING THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE HAD AS STAFF ABOUT THE UN USABILITY OF CURRENT TOWNHOUSE AND CLUSTERED HOUSING ZONING.

WE CAN DO MUCH TO REFORM THAT TYPE OF ZONING, TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO DEVELOPERS AND TO RESIDENTS.

AND WE CAN ALSO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MIXED DENSITY HOUSING NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT WE CAN COMBINE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, T OWNHOUSE CLUSTERED SINGLE FAMILY IN NEW DEVELOPMENTS WHERE PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE TO LIVE, WHO WANT TO LIVE IN THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT, RATHER THAN IMPOSING IT ON EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOW, I THINK WITH REGARD TO THE FORWARD DALLAS EFFORT, IT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WE IDENTIFY AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, FOR MIXED DENSITY HOUSING, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS TO WHERE WE WANT TO SEE THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE HOUSING IS NEEDED.

AND THAT CAN BE COUPLED WITH THE ANALYSIS OF WHETHER WE HAVE SUFFICIENT RESIDENTIALLY ZONED LAND AND WHETHER WE SHOULD CONVERT SOME

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UM. AND I'LL BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING ANY STUDIES OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED THESE KINDS OF DENSITY INCREASES AS TO WHERE THEY HAVE DONE THAT IN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PLACES LIKE HENSLEY FIELD THAT ARE GREEN FIELDS, WELL, MAYBE BROWNFIELDS, BUT NONETHELESS THAT ARE OPEN FOR NEW INNOVATIVE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE EXPERIMENTING WITH THIS KIND OF MIXED DENSITY, NOT IN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY.

AND YOU GOT LUCKY ON THAT ONE.

MY TIMER.

I FAILED TO HIT IT. SO YOU GOT MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.

SO GOOD ONE.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO VIRTUAL NOW TO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

AND THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF PRODUCTIVE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

THIS, AGAIN, WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS PUT AS A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A DISCUSSION.

THERE WAS NO ACTION ITEM THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS MEMO.

THERE WAS NO INTENT FOR SOMETHING TO BE SPED THROUGH.

I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISINGENUOUS MESSAGING THAT'S COMING TO THE PUBLIC, INSTEAD OF IT BEING A PLACE FOR US TO HAVE PRODUCTIVE POLICY CONVERSATION AS THE BODY OF POLICY MAKERS.

I THINK THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT IS VERY TRUE, AND THAT IS THAT COMMUNICATION IS KEY AND NEEDS TO IMPROVE, BUT THAT NEEDS TO IMPROVE AT ALL LEVELS.

UM, TO, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE HAPPY WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY TO ME IS ACTUALLY, UM, DISHEARTENING BECAUSE IT WAS NOT NOTICED ANYWHERE.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC OR THE MEDIA WHO IS WATCHING THIS, TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS NO, UM, NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME TO SPEAK.

SO THESE WEREN'T HAND-PICKED SPEAKERS WHO WERE ASKED TO COME WITH PREPARED, UH, REMARKS.

AND THAT WAS NOT AFFORDED TO OTHER MEMBERS WHO MAY BE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UM, LUCKILY, WE HAVE A TOOL THAT'S CALLED A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US THE ABILITY, REGARDLESS OF THE THEATRICS THAT HAVE GONE HERE TODAY IN THE COMMITTEE, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AS A FULL BODY.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT THIS POLICY MAKING SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE.

UM, I HAVE BEEN ON THE SIDE OF A MINORITY SEVERAL TIMES ON THIS BODY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DISREGARD, UM, THAT PERSPECTIVE OF MY COLLEAGUES.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO FINDING MIDDLE GROUND OR SOLUTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO MATCH THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WE REPRESENT AS A CITY COUNCIL. UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE NEXT CONVERSATION WILL BE MORE PRODUCTIVE, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN FIND SOME VIABLE SOLUTIONS FOR STAFF TO LOOK FURTHER INTO, TO GIVE US OPTIONS OF, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM TODAY'S COMMITTEE MEETING.

SO I HOPE THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, THE NEXT ONE.

AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF AGAIN AND MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS WAS NOT PROMPTED BY STAFF.

THIS WAS PROMPTED BY FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND STAFF IS ANSWERING TO THE MEMO THAT WE HAD A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION TO START A CONVERSATION ON.

AND THIS CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE, AND I THINK IT IS VERY WELL TIMED WITH FORWARD DALLAS JUST ON THE BRINK OF BEING PASSED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

DOES STAFF HAVE AN INDICATION OF WHAT THE BODY BEFORE YOU, UM, HAS SPOKEN TO? DO YOU ALL DO WE NEED TO DO A CLOSING ONE MINUTE ROUND ON WHERE PEOPLE STAND TODAY? I THINK WE HAVE.

I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM TODAY, THAT I THINK WE CAN PARSE OUT SOME UPCOMING APPROACHES, UM, IN FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UM, PER THE MEMO THE REQUEST OF THE MEMO IS TO HAVE A BRIEFING AT COUNCIL, AT FULL COUNCIL.

SO THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST STEP AND NEXT STEP.

AND THEN, UH, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM HERE AND FULL COUNCIL, UM, I THINK WE, WE HAVE ENOUGH TO THINK OF NEXT STEPS.

VERY GOOD. OKAY. WE'LL GO ON TO OUR SECOND BRIEFING.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DAVID SESSION, ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I THINK I CAN KEEP, UH, UH, A PART OF THE PRESENTATION VERY SHORT.

UM I INSERTED A ANOTHER SLIDE THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S ON THE PRESENTATION.

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AND IF YOU GO TO WHAT'S LISTED AS PAGE 26 IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, UH, I WON'T GO OVER ALL OF THESE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S.

I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

I'D LIKE TO OVER PREPARE, UH, ANTICIPATING WHAT QUESTIONS YOU MAY, UH, ASK HERE, BUT BASICALLY, BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US IN TERMS OF BUILDING INSPECTION AND THE CONSTRUCTION CODES, UH, MY MOST SUCCINCT STATEMENT IS THERE IS NO NEED TO MODIFY THE INTERNATIONAL, THE, OUR VERSION OF THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE OR THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, WHAT YOU SHOW ON SLIDE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WAS SHOWN ON SLIDE 22, WHICH I THINK IS ARE THREE MODELS OF A SINGLE FAMILY, A DUPLEX AND A FOUR PLEX.

ALL THREE OF THOSE PRODUCTS CAN CURRENTLY BE ACCOMMODATED WITH OUR CURRENT CODES THE WAY THEY ARE CURRENTLY WRITTEN.

SO THERE'S NO NEED TO MODIFY OUR RESIDENTIAL CODE OR OUR BUILDING CODE.

UH, THE TWO BIG THINGS I WOULD IN SUMMARY, I WOULD POINT OUT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRESENTATION MAYBE WANTS TO GO A LITTLE BIT VERTICAL IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION AS OPPOSED TO HORIZONTAL ON, ON ON SLIDE 26 IN YOUR IN YOUR HANDOUT, THE TWO DEFINITIONS.

UH. NOW LET ME SAY THIS THE 26 ON THE SCREEN IS DIFFERENT FROM 26 ON YOUR HANDOUT.

SO LET ME START WITH 26 ON YOUR HANDOUT.

ON YOUR HANDOUT THERE ARE TWO DEFINITIONS THAT COME OUT OF THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE.

UH, THE DEFINITION OF A DWELLING AND DWELLING UNIT.

THOSE DEFINITIONS WILL ALLOW ONE DWELLING UNIT TO BE STACKED ON TOP OF ANOTHER DWELLING UNIT, A MAXIMUM THAT'S THAT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE A DUPLEX. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU WANTED TO GO HORIZONTALLY ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEN YOU GO TO THE TO THE NEXT SLIDE ON THE ON THE SCREEN, THE TOWNHOUSE DEFINITION THAT WOULD ALLOW I'M SORRY, GO BACK.

YES. THAT SLIDE UH, THE TOWNHOUSE THE DEFINITION WILL ALLOW AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS ON A SINGLE SITE, WHICH IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHAPTER 51 DEFINITION OF, UH, OF A MULTIFAMILY SITE, WHICH IS A NICE SEGUE TO THE NEXT POINT.

KEEP IN MIND THERE ARE SOME FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CONSTRUCTION CODES AND THE ZONING CODES.

CONSTRUCTION CODES ARE BASED ON FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE LOCATED IN.

THE ZONING CODE OBVIOUSLY HAS THE CHARACTERISTICS OF A NEIGHBORHOOD TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, AND THOSE THINGS ARE DIFFERENT.

THE EVEN THE DEFINITIONS IN THE TWO DIFFERENT CODES EMBODY THAT PRINCIPLE.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN 51A, MULTIFAMILY IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS ON A SITE ON AN OVERALL SITE.

IN THE CONSTRUCTION CODES, THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS UNDER A SINGLE ROOF, A STRUCTURE. SO THOSE ARE TWO FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS.

SO, UH, WE CAN'T GET THOSE CONFUSED AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD DEPENDING ON WHAT WHAT WHAT YOU ALL CONSIDER, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS SO THAT THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

AGAIN, MY MAIN POINT IS THERE'S NO NEED TO MODIFY ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION CODES BASED ON WHAT I'VE BEEN PRESENTED HERE.

NOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE SUBSEQUENT SLIDES IN THERE, I'LL BE WELCOME TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THAT WAS BRIEF WE'LL START WITH VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.

THANK YOU. SO YOU OUTLINE A LOT OF CHALLENGES TO THE CODE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONNECTION, SPRINKLER MONITORING, FIRE ALARMS, FIRE ACCESS, ROAD, FIRE HYDRANT LOCATIONS, ENERGY CODE, FUEL GAS PROVISIONS, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION PROVISIONS, WATER AND SEWER PROVISIONS, ELECTRIC CODE AND SERVICE PROVISIONS.

GAS SERVICE PROVISIONS, INSURANCE INDUSTRY AND UNDERWRITING PRACTICES, DALLAS COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT IMPACTS ON REPORTING US COMMERCE DEPARTMENT IMPACTS AND REPORTING. AND THEN YOU SAY IT MAY NOT EVEN BE EXHAUSTIVE.

UM. SO HOW REALISTIC IS IT TO PUT A FOUR PLEX ON A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT, GIVEN THESE CHALLENGES? WELL, I GUESS I GUESS I'M NOT SAYING LET ME, LET ME LET ME JUST QUALIFY THAT NOT ON A NEW BUILD.

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HOW CHALLENGING IS IT TO MEET ALL OF THESE? OH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN.

IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING.

MY, MY, UH, MY GOAL IN LISTING ALL OF THOSE ADDITIONAL SLIDES ON THERE WAS ONLY TO KIND OF BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT, UH, WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS WE WOULD HAVE.

WE WOULD BE FACING, UH, IF WE CHANGED THE DEFINITIONS OF THE MULTIFAMILY VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION CODES IS CONCERNED.

AGAIN, AS I STATED BEFORE, DEFINITIONS OF THE ZONING CODES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

UM, BUT I TRY TO THINK OF A WORD THAT WOULD PROBABLY SUMMARIZE THE JOB THAT WE DO IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND SPECIFICALLY IN BUILDING INSPECTION.

AND THE BEST WORD I COULD COME COME UP WITH WITH WERE SIMILAR TO AN UNDERWRITER IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, EXCEPT THAT WE LOOK AT EACH BUILDING BASED ON ITS USE, UH, ITS CAPACITIES, ITS NEEDS AND CAPACITIES AND THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS.

AND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX VERSUS MULTIFAMILY IS IS VAST, AND IT STARTS AT THE DEFINITION LEVEL.

AND IT JUST DUPLICATES FROM THERE.

AND IT CAN IT CAN BECOME VERY, UH, CHALLENGING.

UH, IF WE CHANGE THAT DEFINITION NOW, AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN TODAY IN THE PRESENTATION, THERE'S NO NEED TO DO THAT.

BUT LOOKING FORWARD, IF WE ARE CONSIDERING CHANGING THE DEFINITION TO INCLUDE, UH, STRUCTURES THAT WE WOULD FORMALLY CALL MULTIFAMILY, JUST BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS, AND THERE ARE SOME SOCIO ECONOMIC IMPACTS THAT YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THAT ARE LISTED IN THE SLIDE. AGAIN, DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.

UH, ATMOS, DCAD.

THE US DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, THEY HAVE CATEGORIES AND ALL THOSE THINGS BECOME IMPACTED IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD.

THANK YOU. SO I GUESS WHAT MY POINT HERE IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS AT CITY HALL, AND MANY OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD IDEAS.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE LIMITED STAFF AND AGAIN, 13,000 STAFF.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT WE DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT VERY WELL.

SO WE'RE SITTING WITH MULTIPLE VACANT HOMELESS FACILITIES BECAUSE THERE'S A GOOD INTENTION TO DO IT.

BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IF WE CAN STAY.

YEP. SO MY MY POINT IS THAT WITH A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED AT THE 50% AMI AND BELOW, BUT ACTUALLY AN EXCESS SUPPLY OF HIGHER COST HOUSING WITH NO VERIFICATION THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SAYING NO, IT'S JUST FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING.

I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD BE DEDICATING THIS KIND OF RESOURCES WHEN WE'RE STILL HEARING, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO GET INSPECTIONS DONE FOR PERMITTING.

WE'VE GOT TO GET ALL THESE OTHER THINGS TAKEN CARE OF.

I DON'T THINK PERMITTING IS FIXED.

I THINK IT'S BETTER. I DON'T THINK IT'S FIXED.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE DOING LESS THINGS VERY EFFICIENTLY AND EXCELLENTLY.

AND I JUST SEE THIS AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM BY ACTUALLY MAKING THINGS LESS EFFICIENT.

SO I MEAN, I WILL SAY I'M DAUNTED WHEN I SEE ALL OF THESE CHALLENGES YOU'VE LISTED, AND IT'S NOT EVEN AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST.

SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND I DO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO BEHIND THE SCENES.

THANK YOU, CHAIR WILLIS.

UM, MR. GRACEY.

OKAY, WE'LL GO TO NON-COMMITTEE MEMBERS NOW.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND SLIDE 29 WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE INTERNATIONAL CODE HAS THESE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON CHANGING SINGLE FAMILY TO THREE OR MORE UNITS.

SO ALL OF THESE ARE REQUIREMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, SPRINKLING, UM, AIRPLANE PATHS, ETC., IN MULTIFAMILY, I.E.

MORE THAN THREE OR MORE UNIT BUILDINGS BUT ARE NOT IN SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX STRUCTURES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THAT'S CORRECT.

THOSE ALL OF THOSE BULLET POINTS.

THAT ARE LISTED THERE ARE POSSIBLY IMPACTED WHEN AGAIN, FROM A CONSTRUCTION CODE STANDPOINT, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IT HAS IT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THE ZONING CODE, BUT FROM A CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION CODE STANDPOINT, EACH OF THOSE BULLET POINTS COULD POSSIBLY BE IMPACTED.

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UH, VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY.

SO IF THEY CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF SINGLE FAMILY TO INCLUDE THREE PLEX'S AND FOUR PLEX'S, HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT THE BUILDING CODE? WELL, IT WOULD NOT ONLY IMPACT THE BUILDING CODE, BUT IT IMPACTS THE FIRE CODE, BECAUSE AGAIN, UH, THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS ARE BASED ON ASSESSMENTS THAT WE DO AGAIN, LIKE AN UNDERWRITER.

SO IT THINK OF IT AS TAKING ASSESSMENTS AND FORMERLY MADE FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN PUTTING IN THE CATEGORY FOR MULTIFAMILY.

IT'S ALMOST APPLES AND ORANGES.

AND SO WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH A HYBRID SORT OF CATEGORY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT NEW USE THAT WAS FORMERLY, UH, SEQUESTERED, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY OF PUTTING IT INTO MULTIFAMILY VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, THE I'M TRYING TO LOOK ON HERE AN AREA THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF L IKE SPRINKLERS.

SPRINKLERS? THE HYDRANT LOCATION PROBABLY WILL BE A GOOD ONE.

THE FIRE HYDRANT LOCATION FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MULTI-FAMILY, UH, FIRE HYDRANT LOCATION IS 600FT FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND IT STILL IS 150 FOR MULTIFAMILY FOR MULTIFAMILY, 600 FOR MULTIFAMILY.

SO THERE ARE DISTINCTIONS LIKE THAT, THAT WHAT PLACE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING INSPECTION FOR THAT FOR FOR THAT MATTER, IN A SORT OF AWKWARD POSITION.

WHEREAS THESE QUESTIONS ARE EASILY RESOLVED BASED ON OUR CURRENT CATEGORY, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME THOUGHT, UM, TO, TO KIND OF WORK THOSE DETAILS OUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HYBRID HYBRID CATEGORY.

WELL, THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS IN THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE IS BECAUSE HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING IN A SINGLE STRUCTURE INCREASES FIRE RISK, SUCH THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A CLOSER FIRE HYDRANT, WE HAVE TO HAVE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, ETC..

DO YOU AGREE? ABSOLUTELY.

YES, SIR. AND SO IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE PROPOSITION OF ADDING MORE BUILDING UNITS, MORE LIVING UNITS ON A PARTICULAR PLATTED LOT.

IT'S A QUESTION OF WHAT ADDITIONAL BUILDING REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE IMPOSED BECAUSE OF THAT HIGHER DENSITY ON A SINGLE LOT, WHICH IS GOING TO NATURALLY INCREASE THE COST OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND WOULD ALSO PUT GREATER STRAINS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, SUCH AS FIRE HYDRANT LOCATIONS AND UTILITY SYSTEMS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. BEFORE I SAY MY COMMENTS, I WANT TO LET THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING IN ONLINE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR THEM TO SPEAK AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS, UH, REMARKS.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THESE WOULD A FOURPLEX REQUIRE, UM, A, UH, ENTRYWAY FROM FROM THE STREET LEVEL AND FROM THE, THE ALLEYWAY WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, AN APPROACH? THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A ZONING ISSUE IN TERMS OF THE FRONT VERSUS THE REAR ENTRY.

THAT'S A DESIGN STANDARD THAT WE LOOK, WOULD LOOK INTO IF WE WERE GOING TO PURSUE A ZONE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS A DESIGN STANDARD THAT WE WOULD LOOK TO INCORPORATING DIRECTLY INTO THE ZONE ITSELF.

OKAY. AND SO YOU WOULD.

I'M SORRY I DIDN'T REALLY GET A CLARITY ON THAT.

WOULD WE, WOULD WE WOULD IT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN ALLEY ENTRANCE FOR FOURPLEX? IT'S POSSIBLE.

IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE LOT.

AND YOU CAN YOU CAN DEVELOP STANDARDS FOR BOTH CONTEXTS IF YOU HAVE ALLEY ACCESS AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALLEY ACCESS, HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT IN THE DESIGN.

AND SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SANITATION IS TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM ALLEYWAY PICKUP.

AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AT WHAT THE CONDITION OF OUR CURRENT OVERALL GRADE OF OUR ALLEYS ARE, AND IF THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE CITY TO THEN INVEST IN GETTING OUR ALLEYS TO A CERTAIN GRADE.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

WE DID TALK TO SANITATION FIRE.

WE HAD AN INTERNAL MEETING.

UM. NOT REALLY.

SO SANITATION IS MOVING AWAY, OR THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM SERVICING ALLEYS THAT ARE SUBSTANDARD, NOT THE ONES THAT ARE GOOD

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NOW FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IF THEY HAVE AN ALLEY IN THE BACK THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW AND THEY CHOOSE TO HAVE ACCESS FROM THE ALLEY, THEY MUST IMPROVE IT.

SO THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO BASICALLY IMPROVE THE EXISTING ALLEYS AND BRING THEM TO STANDARD SO THAT SANITATION CAN ACCESS THEM.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT LIKE AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO BEAR IN MIND THAT USUALLY THE DEVELOPERS BEAR THE COST OF UTILITIES AND ALL OF THAT RIGHT NOW FOR THE FRONT LOADED ONE ONES.

UH, THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WHERE WOULD YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ALLEY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK UP FROM THE FRONT.

THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH SANITATION WAS, OKAY, IF THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSE, CAN WE DO CENTRALIZED LOCATIONS OR HOW OR DIFFERENT TYPE OF UH, OF, OF SERVICE? AND OBVIOUSLY IT WAS SO PREMATURE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS.

WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT TECHNICALLY OR THEORETICALLY, THE CONVERSATION CAN GO THAT WAY.

AND THEY'RE OPEN TO AND THEY'RE CONSIDERING ALL OF THESE OPTIONS.

SO A DEVELOPER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO UTILITIES TO ALLEYWAYS.

THAT'S HOW IT IS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW AS WELL.

YOU CANNOT ACCESS THE ALLEY IN THE BACK UNLESS YOU IMPROVE IT UP TO THE CONNECTION TO THE STREET.

THAT'S WHY ON THIS IMPROVEMENT ON THIS UNIMPROVED ALLEYS, YOU MAY HAVE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPERS THAT CHOOSE NOT TO IMPROVE IT.

THEREFORE THEY DO FRONT LOADED.

SO THAT'S A BIG CONVERSATION THAT I WOULD SEE A BIG OPPORTUNITY WITH HOUSING TO START ADDRESSING.

SO THAT COST WOULD BE ON THE DEVELOPER THAT WOULD PASS IT ON TO WHOEVER'S PURCHASING OR RENTING THAT PROPERTY.

THE THE ALLEYS ARE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

NO, NO, THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPGRADES TO UTILITIES AND ALLEYWAYS? SAME AS EVERYTHING. YES.

CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO OUR SPEAKERS WHO ARE VIRTUAL, AND WE'LL HAVE ONE MINUTE.

AND SO WE'LL TRY TO DO THIS, UH, WITH OUR STAFF.

IF THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK, IF YOU WOULD UH, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND ON, ON THE, ON THE SCREEN AND THEN WE'LL CALL ON YOU AND YOU'LL HAVE ONE MINUTE.

AND IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD MIC]. AND THEN REMINDER, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

AND I SEE ONE SPEAKER ON THE SCREEN.

AND THEN SAME THING FOR FOR THOSE IN THE CHAMBER.

IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK EARLIER, WE'LL COME BACK TO THOSE IN THE CHAMBER AT THE END.

THAT LOOKS LIKE NATHANIEL.

I THINK THAT'S UP THERE.

GO AHEAD, NATHANIEL.

THANK YOU, NATHANIEL BARRETT.

I LIVE AT 2526 RIEGER AVENUE HERE IN DALLAS.

UM, I JUST WANT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF MAKING THIS CHANGE.

[INAUDIBLE] ALLOW MORE HOMES ON THE SAME AMOUNT OF LAND.

DALLAS HAS OVER 50% OF ITS RESIDENTS CONCENTRATED ON THE SMALL PERCENTAGE OF LAND.

ABOUT 10% ALLOW THAT ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY ZONING.

WE DO NOT HAVE THE LAND AND THE PLACES THAT WHERE PEOPLE WOULD NEED NEED TO LIVE.

UM, THIS IS THE BEST WAY THAT THE SHARES EQUITABLE OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS ACROSS THE CITY.

SO JUST WANT TO PROVIDE A COUNTERBALANCE TO ALL THOSE NEGATIVE COMMENTS SO FAR.

THANK YOU SIR.

SIR, IN THE GRAY SHIRT WITH YOUR HAND LIFTED.

GO AHEAD. DALE BAKER.

HI. THANK YOU.

I KNOW IT'S NEVER EASY TO TRY AND LEGALIZE HOUSING, BUT NOW THAT MOST FOLKS IN DALLAS WHO EARN A MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME CAN NO LONGER AFFORD THE MEDIAN PRICE OF A HOME, MAYBE IT'S TIME TO THINK OF WAYS TO LEGALIZE MORE HOUSING, AND GENTLE DENSITY IS DEFINITELY A GOOD WAY TO GET THERE.

SO EXCITED FOR YOU ALL.

I KNOW A LOT OF CONCERNS OVER CHANGE ARE ALWAYS A REAL ISSUE, AND IT'S HARD TO THINK THROUGH, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

BUT THE FACT IS, WHEN YOU ALLOW FOR SMALLER HOUSING UNITS TO BE BUILT ON LAND, IT JUST HELPS WITH EVERYBODY.

RIGHT? SO TRUE.

THESE AREN'T GOING TO BE INCOME RESTRICTED HOMES, BUT THESE ARE GOING TO BE MORE AFFORDABLE BY DEFAULT THAN WHAT CAN BE BUILT IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TODAY.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S GETTING BUILT OUT THERE, GO LOOK AT NEW THINGS BEING BUILT IN THESE ZIP CODES, AND IT'S JUST UNAFFORDABLE TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF FOLKS WHO LIVE IN AROUND DALLAS.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

DALE BAKER. SIR, IF YOU CAN, TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON. IT COULD BE REALLY GOOD IDEAS TO THE PROPER SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE. UH, FIRST OF ALL, ON TRACTS OF LAND, THERE ARE AT LEAST FIVE ACRES OR LARGER.

UH, AND THIS COULD BE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR FOR REDEVELOPMENTS.

UH, ALSO, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND ALSO DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND, UH, SO THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAD TO SAY AS FAR AS THIS IS CONCERNED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ELIZABETH. HI ELIZABETH MARKOWITZ, ADDRESS, 320 WEST PLEASANT RUN ROAD, HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF REFORMING OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS TO LOWER THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF LAND THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BUY IN ORDER TO AFFORD THE AMERICAN DREAM OF HOME OWNERSHIP.

I'M RAISING MY SON IN AN APARTMENT RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A HOME, BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, THE MASSIVE, UM, LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS IN DALLAS PRICE OUT, LOTS OF MIDDLE INCOME EARNERS LIKE MYSELF.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

ACCORDING TO PEW, 58% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT LEGALIZING TOWNHOME CONSTRUCTION.

UM, FROM DATA OUT OF HOUSTON, WE KNOW THAT REFORMING OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS WORKS TO LOWER THE PRICE OF HOUSING, AND IT ALSO WORKS TO REDUCE THE DISPLACEMENT OF BLACK AND LATINO RESIDENTS WHICH BOTH SAW THEIR POPULATIONS INCREASE IN HOUSTON WHEN THEY ALLOWED THESE, THESE POLICY CHANGES TO ALLOW FOR MORE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING. UM, WE ALSO STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE PROTECTIONS AGAINST RENTALS [INAUDIBLE] PROPOSALS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW HOUSING CREATED BY THESE POLICIES GOES TO RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHARLES.

THANK YOU. CHARLIE GARDNER WITH THE MERCATUS CENTER AT GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY.

I JUST WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS ON MINIMUM LOT SIZE REGULATIONS.

THEY'RE THE MOST UNIVERSAL AND MOST INFLUENTIAL LAND USE STATUTES IN THE UNITED STATES.

THE MOST PREVALENT MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS 7,500FT².

BUT THE CITY HAS A LONGSTANDING TRADITION OF UNCOORDINATED LENIENCY IS PERMITTED ON SMALLER HOUSES SINCE 2000.

I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE EQUITABLE AND EFFICIENT TO PLACE THIS WITH GENERALIZED LENIENCY.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE MAJOR IMPLICATIONS FOR AFFORDABILITY.

WE FOUND THAT FOR BUYERS AMONG DALLAS HOUSES BUILT SINCE 2000, THOSE ON LOTS UNDER 4,500FT² COST $388,000 ON AVERAGE OF [INAUDIBLE].

HOUSES ON LARGER LOTS AVERAGED $573,000.

SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN AFFORDABILITY.

WHAT IS THE RIGHT SIZE? IT'S 2,500 AS AUSTIN'S PROPOSING 1,400 IN HOUSTON 900 IS THE SMALLEST REPORTED LOT SIZE IN DALLAS.

I THINK OUR BEST ANSWER IS THAT IT MAY NOT BE WORTH REGULATING AT ALL.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY MORE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS? NOT SEEING ANY ANY IN THE CHAMBER.

OKAY, I DO SEE ONE VIRTUAL SPEAKER THAT JUST POPPED UP.

GO AHEAD SIR.

HI, MY NAME IS NATHANIEL MARKOWITZ AND MY ADDRESS IS WEST PLEASANT RUN ROAD IN CEDAR HILL.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, WHEN MY WIFE AND I MOVED TO THE DALLAS AREA ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, UM, OUR PERCEPTION WAS THAT THE COST OF HOUSING WAS LOW, THAT THE COST OF LIVING WAS LOW, AND IT JUST WASN'T THE REALITY THAT WE EXPERIENCED OUT HERE.

UH, AND SO WE WANTED TO LIVE IN DALLAS PROPER, BUT THE HIGH COST OF HOUSING OUT, JUST OUT.

AND AS I THINK ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE COMMITTEE HEARING SAID EARLIER TODAY, THE PROBLEM IS NOT GOING AWAY.

AND THE IDEA THAT WE CAN'T, THAT WE CAN SOLVE IT WITHOUT BUILDING MORE [INAUDIBLE] GENERAL SUPPORT FOR MORE BUILDING. [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I WANT TO THANK ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT CAME OUT THIS MORNING.

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I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES WHO STAYED, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE MEETING TO HEAR ALL OUR SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR FOR DOING THAT.

THE TIME IS NOW 11:53 AND OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.