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AFTERNOON.[Landmark Commission Meeting on January 8, 2024. ]
THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT IS 1 0 4 ON JANUARY 8TH, 2024, AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, I'M THE CHAIR, EVELYN MONTGOMERY.
OUR VICE CHAIR IS COMMISSIONER COURTNEY FALLACY AND WE HAVE A, A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE ASK THAT ELAINE, CALL THE ROLL CALL TO ESTABLISH WHO'S HERE.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS HERE PRESENT.
AND CPC LIVES ON JOANNA HAMPTON.
AND WE'VE USUALLY BEEN VOTING ON OUR MINUTES AT THE END AFTER WE TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS.
SO NOW IT IS TIME FOR US TO, UM, DISCUSS WHAT ORDER WE WILL HEAR THE CASES IN REFLECTING CONCERNS OF LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER'S POLICY.
SO WE'LL BE MOVING CONSENT ITEM TWO TO DISCUSSION.
UH, SO LOOKING FIRST AT OUR CONSENT ITEMS, UM, GOING ON AHEAD AND TAKING A VOTE FOR THAT SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECUSALS, IS THERE SOMETHING? OKAY.
SO, UM, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVALS AND DENIALS ON CONSENT ITEM ONE THREE THROUGH SIX, OR EXCUSE ME, THREE THROUGH EIGHT.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
UM, IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THIS? WELL, THEN WE SHALL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
CO UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE AND THREE THROUGH EIGHT HAVE ALL BEEN RULED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO IF YOU WERE HERE ON ONE OF THOSE, ANYTHING BUT CONSENT ITEM TWO, YOUR CASE IS FINISHED AND YOU CAN CONTACT STAFF FOR ANY INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT THAT.
AND NOW WHAT ORDER SHALL WE HEAR FROM THIS? UH, I MOVE THAT, UM, OUR AGENDA REFLECTS, UH, BEGINNING WITH CONSENT ITEM TWO, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR IN ORDER.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, GUEST.
SO THAT MEANS WE WILL BEGIN WITH CONSENT ITEM NUMBER TWO.
STAFF WILL PLEASE READ THAT AND WHO WILL BE DOING OUR, UM, WHO WILL BE READING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.
WHO HAS NOT SERVED LIGHTLY? COMMISSIONER GUEST WILL BE READING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
CONSENT ITEM NUMBER TWO IS FOR 2 23 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH ONE 18 MW.
AND I AM MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE ENTIRE MAIN STRUCTURE, NOT INCLUDING THE MASONRY.
THAT WOULD BE BODYS W 7 0 4 SNOWBOUND DOOR AND PORCH FLOOR WOULD BE SW 2 8 63 POWDER BLUE.
THE WORK WAS COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE MASONRY ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE SW 2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WERE COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA REQUEST.
NUMBER THREE, A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE BALLAS STTR ON THE FRONT PORCH.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE ENTIRE MAIN STRUCTURE, NOT INCLUDING THE MASONRY BODY S WSS W 7 0 0 4 SNOWBOUND DOOR AND PORCH FLOOR W2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS RECEIVED 12 7 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501
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G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE MASONRY ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
W2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA BE DENIED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.11 A EIGHT A.
THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES FOR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE BALLAST ROD ON THE FRONT PORCH BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.111 PARAGRAPHS A THREE OR A 11.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE ENTIRE MAIN STRUCTURE, NOT INCLUDING THE MASONRY BODY SW 7 0 0 4 SNOWBOUND DOOR AND PORCH FLOOR SW 2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
SUGGEST REVERTING TO PREVIOUS COLOR SCHEME NEED PAINT SWATCHES.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT A MASONRY ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE SW 2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA BE DENIED.
REMOVE PAINT OFF BRICK NUMBER THREE.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE VALUER ON FRONT PORCH.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED ON THIS REQUEST AT ROXANNE RIVERA.
PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND THEY'LL MAKE SURE IT'S ON FOR YOU.
I NEED TO ASK YOU TO START BY, GET BY STATING BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME'S ROXANNE RIVERA AND IT'S FOR 2 2 3 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 8.
AND YOU DO PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH? I DO.
ALRIGHTYY THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, WHICH ELAINE OVER THERE WILL BE TIMING.
UM, ESTEEM MEMBERS OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
I EXTEND MY HEARTFELT GRATITUDE FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY.
IT IS AN HONOR TO LIVE IN ONE OF THE LARGEST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN DALLAS AS A WORLD WAR II NERD.
I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE THAT THERE IS IN PRESERVING HISTORY.
I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROTOCOL.
THE IGNORANCE COMES FROM BEING A FIRST GENERATION HOME BUYER, A REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT DID NOT WARN US ABOUT THESE REQUIREMENTS AND OUR LACK OF RESEARCH.
AS A FIRST GENERATION HOME BUYER, I AM BOTH EXCITED AND DEEPLY HONORED TO BE PART OF THIS HISTORIC COMMUNITY.
THE JOURNEY TO HOME OWNERSHIP HAS BEEN A DREAM COME TRUE.
AND I'M COMMITTED TO CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO THE LEGACY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S WITH IMMENSE RESPECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY'S RICH HISTORY THAT I PRESENT THE PROPOSAL, A CHANGE IN THE PAINT COLOR OF THE HOME, AS WELL AS PAINTING OF THE MASONRY.
AS THE OTHER HOMES IN OUR STREET HAVE DONE, THE MAIN GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE MASONRY.
IN DOING SO, I BELIEVE THAT THIS CAN AND HAS ELEVATED THE CHARM OF THE CHARACTER OF OUR BELOVED NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY INSPIRATION FROM THIS PROPOSAL STEMS FROM DEEP APPRECIATION OF THE BEAUTIFUL HOMES THAT GRACE THE SAME STREET.
IN OBSERVING THE WELL THOUGHT OUT PALETTE COLORS ADORNING THESE HOMES I FELT INSPIRED TO CONTRIBUTE IN THIS KIND OF WAY.
THE SELECTED COLORS HAVE BEEN CHOSEN WITH CARE INTENDING TO HONOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND OF THE HOME WHILE INFUSING A SUBTLE, REFRESHING VIBRANCY.
I GENERALLY VIEW THIS PROPOSAL AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HARMONIZE WITH THE UNIQUE IDENTITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE HOMES THAT LINE OUR STREET.
WE CREATED A COHESIVE AND VISUALLY CAPTIVATING ATMOSPHERE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE KEPT ITS HISTORIC CHARM.
IN ESSENCE, I SAW THIS AS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AN EVEN MORE DELIGHTFUL PLACE TO CALL HOME.
WITH THE YOUR ESTEEMED SUPPORT, WE CAN STRIKE A PERFECT BALANCE PRESERVING THE ESSENCE OF OUR HISTORY, WHILE EMBRACING THE EVOLVING SPIRIT INSPIRED BY THE HOMES THAT SURROUND US.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND STICK AROUND FOR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I, UM, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN SEE, UM, APPLICANTS COMING BEFORE US BECAUSE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTATION
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FIRST.AND SO THIS CASE IS, IS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE, UM, ACTUALLY IT'S GONE ON LONG BEFORE YOU ARRIVED ON THE SCENE.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT I THINK FOR THIS COMMISSION TO BE FULLY BRIEFED ON THE ENTIRE HISTORY, UM, AS WELL AS THE TIMELINE AND THE SEQUENCE THAT HAPPENED.
UM, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT I THINK FOR US TO, UM, KNOW HOW SUCH THINGS DO COME ABOUT, UM, WHETHER YOUR INTENTIONS WERE AS YOU DESCRIBED, OR WHETHER THERE WAS A LACK OF AWARENESS OR WHATEVER BECAUSE UM, WE WORKED FOR DECADES IN THESE PROTECTED AREAS TO PROTECT THE STRUCTURES AND PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICTS.
AND SO WHAT YOU SEE IN WINKA HEIGHTS HAS COME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF OVER 40 YEARS OF WORK.
UM, SO, UM, SO DOCTOR, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT MY LINE OF QUESTIONING IS GONNA BE ABOUT.
'CAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS WELL AS MARCUS AND AS WELL AS ADRIAN.
SO THIS COMMISSION HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM THIS CASE AND WE CAN PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, SEE MORE VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE MM-HMM.
AND SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UM, YOU ARE THE APPLICANT, CORRECT? YES.
IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ALSO THE OWNER? UM, I'M ENGAGED TO LIKE THE OWNER.
I'M ON THE TITLE, BUT I GUESS THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT I'M ALSO AN OWNER.
SO WERE YOU AS, UM, UM, BEING CONNECTED TO THE OWNER, WERE YOU PRIVY TO THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE TRANSACTION? IN OTHER WORDS, DID YOU SEE ALL THE DOCUMENTS? DID YOU SIGN ANYTHING MORE THAN THE DEEDED OR DID YOU SIGN THE DEEDED? UM, JUST THE DEEDED, BUT UH, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF DOCUMENTS? I'M SORRY.
THE CONTRACT AND THE ADDEND TO THE CONTRACT.
THE CONTRACT FOR THE, LIKE PURCHASING OF THE HOME? MM-HMM.
UM, NO, I DID NOT SIGN THOSE CONTRACTS.
UM, THERE IS, UM, A PORTION OF TWO PORTIONS OF THE CONTRACT THAT ADDRESS WHETHER PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT AND TO SOME EXTENT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS IN THE SELLER'S DISCLOSURE NOTICE, IT'S GONNA MENTION WHETHER OR NOT IT'S LOCATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAS TO BE SIGNED BY THE BUYER, UH, PREPARED BY THE SELLER, SIGNED BY THE BUYER.
BUT YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED, YOU DIDN'T SIGN THAT.
UM, THEN THE OTHER ONE, GO AHEAD.
UH, ONE THING ABOUT THAT, SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE AND THEY SIGNED IT, 'CAUSE I WAS PRESENT WHEN THAT WHOLE PAPERWORK HAPPENED, THE REAL ESTATE AGENT MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE HISTORIC PART WAS JUST MEANT THAT WE COULDN'T ADD TO THE HOUSE.
OR IF LIKE WE NEEDED TO REPAIR, LIKE, LET'S SAY, UM, LIKE THE OUTSIDE THE EXTERIOR, WE HAD TO LIKE MATCH THE EXACT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE HAS LINES, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, IT HAS TO MATCH THAT SPECIFIC ONE.
AND WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, IT, THE MASONRY WAS ALREADY PAINTED.
SO THAT WAS LIKE WE, WE HAD NO IDEA.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, SPECIFICALLY THE SELLER'S DISCLOSURE NOTICE THAT DISCLOSES TO THE BUYER WHAT THE SELLER KNOWS TO BE TRUE ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
AND OFTENTIMES THE STATE OF REPAIR TO THE BEST OF THE SELLER'S KNOWLEDGE.
SO IN THAT DOCUMENT, IT WOULD'VE SAID THAT IT WAS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THERE WOULD'VE BEEN ANOTHER DOCUMENT IN THIS CASE THAT WAS, UH, REFERRED TO AS THE ADDENDUM FOR PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHERE IT MENTIONS THAT IT'S IN THE DISTRICT.
AND CONSEQUENTLY, AS A RESULT IT'S PROTECTED AND CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR HAVE TO BE APPROVED FIRST WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MADE PRIVY TO THE ACTUAL BUYER OF THE PROPERTY, THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE DOCUMENTATION.
THE SELLER'S DISCLOSURE WOULD'VE HAPPENED EARLY IN THE PROCESS, PRIOR TO THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD WHEN YOU HAD THE RIGHT TO EX, YOU KNOW, UM, HAVE THE HOUSE INSPECTED AND SO FORTH THAT PRECEDES THE INSPECTION.
AND SO DOES THE ADDENDUM, WHICH EXPLAINS THAT IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO A PROPERTY OWNER OF A HOUSE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WHAT YOUR REALTOR EXPLAINED TO YOU AT CLOSING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T SUPERSEDE WHAT THE ADDENDUM REFERENCES.
IT PUTS YOU ON NOTICE THAT IT'S IN A SPECIAL PLACE AND CONSEQUENTLY THERE ARE THINGS TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT.
AND IT RECOMMENDS THAT YOU LOOK INTO WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO THE POINT IS THAT IT'S, IT'S FAR MORE REACHING THAN JUST, UM, ADDING ON OR SITING.
IT APPLIES TO LANDSCAPES, IT APPLIES TO COLORS, IT APPLIES TO A GREAT MANY THINGS.
AND YOU WOULD'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE HAD YOU BEEN THE OWNER, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE, OR AT LEAST TOLD WHERE IT COULD BE FOUND.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO STRENGTHEN ALL THIS MM-HMM.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
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THE OTHER THING I, I COULD JUST GIVE PROPS TO MY DEAR FRIEND, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.SHE'S BOUGHT LONG AND HARD TO MAKE SURE BUYERS DON'T FIND THEMSELVES IN YOUR SITUATION WHERE THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE AND THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO WHEN THE BRICK WAS PAINTED BLACK THAT WAS MADE AWARE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU WEREN'T, UM, YOU DIDN'T HAVE SIGNATORY AUTHORITY DURING THIS PROCESS? WERE AT WHAT POINT WERE YOU OR, UM, YOUR FIANCE PUT ON NOTICE THAT THE BRICK HAD BEEN PAINTED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER AND THERE WAS A CODE VIOLATION? WE GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL AND I THINK I EMAILED THE EMAIL RIGHT AWAY, OR NO, I CALLED THE COMPLIANCE OFFICER RIGHT AWAY AND I WAS LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO LIKE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND SO MY ASSUMPTION WAS THAT IT WAS BECAUSE WE PAINTED IT.
SO UP UNTIL THAT MOMENT, I HAD NO IDEA THAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I DO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I COMPLETELY RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY THAT'S IN DALLAS AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S THE GOAL WITH LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THAT'S WHEN WE WERE PUT IN NOTICE WHEN WE GOT A LETTER THAT SAID THAT YOU HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 14TH TO EITHER, UM, FIX IT OR LIKE YOU GUYS WILL FIX IT.
SO I CALLED THE OFFICER AND THE OFFICER TOLD ME THAT, OH, IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, I'M, THAT'S WHERE WE ALL GOT CONFUSED BECAUSE, UH, WE HAD PAINTED IT A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF COLORS.
AND SHE TOLD ME THAT A SET OF COLORS GOT APPROVED AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I WAS MADE AWARE THAT THEY LIKE FILED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THAT THE ONE THING THAT WASN'T APPROVED WAS THE MASONRY.
SO YOU CLOSED ON THIS PROPERTY, WHAT? MID-SEPTEMBER? I WANT TO SAY.
SO YOU WENT UNDER CONTRACT PRIOR TO THAT? MM-HMM.
SO DID YOU RECEIVE NOTICE THAT THERE WAS AN OUTSTANDING CODE VIOLATION BEFORE YOU CLOSED? NO, UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE WE ARE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND I AM FIRST GENERATION, YOU KNOW, LIKE HISPANIC IN TEXAS, SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GUIDE US THROUGH THE HOME BUYING PROCESS.
AND OUR REAL ESTATE AGENT, NOT THAT AGE SHOULD MATTER, BUT WE FOUND OUT LATER ON THAT SHE'S 23.
SO SHE MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES IN THE PROCESS.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S LIKE, NOT NECESSARILY HER FAULT, IT'S PROBABLY FROM THE LACK OF EXPERIENCE, BUT SHE, NONE OF THIS WAS RESEARCHED.
I WOULD'VE HAD NO CLUE TO EVEN DO THIS OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LIKE A DISCLOSURE BEFORE WE EVEN MOVED TO INSPECTIONS TO KNOW WHAT IT ENTAILED.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DID NOT KNOW ANY OF THAT.
AND IF WE GO THROUGH PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH HER OR ANYTHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, VIA EMAIL OR TEXT MESSAGE, YOU WON'T FIND ANYTHING OF THE SORT.
IF ANYTHING SHE WAS, SHE WOULD JUST MENTION LIKE, OH, IT'S A REALLY COOL THING TO LIVE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT NOTHING THAT LIKE IS NECESSARY TO KNOW BEFORE, LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, A BUYER HAS TO ADHERE TO OR SHOULD ADHERE TO.
UM, AND UM, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WHEN OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WAS FIRST NOTIFIED OF THE FACT THAT THE BRICK HAD BEEN PAINTED BLACK, THEN SHE WOULD'VE INITIATED SOME CONTACT TO THE OWNERSHIP, WHICH AT THAT TIME WOULD'VE BEEN THE PREVIOUS OWNER, WOULD'VE BEEN THE RENOVATOR.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, YOUR, YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT THE RENOVATOR NEVER NOTIFIED YOUR FIANCE CORRECT.
BUT YOU ON NOTICE THAT THEY WERE TOLD CORRECT.
WE, AND JUST TO EVEN ADD TO THAT, THEY HAVE SPEAKERS AND LIKE A WATER SPRINKLING SYSTEM.
I HAVE PROOF THAT IT TOOK OVER A MONTH AFTER WE MOVED IN TO EVEN GET THAT INFORMATION.
I HAD TO ACTUALLY GOOGLE THE SELLER'S INFORMATION THROUGH A LETTER THAT WE GOT AND FIND HIS INFORMATION TO ASK HIM ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
IF I MAY RUDELY INTERRUPT AGAIN, I I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING THE COURSE OF ACTION THAT LED US TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE AT, WHICH CLEARLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE FORMER OWNERS AND, UM, THE NEWNESS OF THE REAL ESTATE AGENT.
BUT OUR ATTORNEY HAS SAID THAT IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE HAVING ESTABLISHED THAT, THAT WE MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THE SITUATION IN WHICH WE NOW FIND OURSELVES.
I KNOW, I'M JUST LETTING THE ATTORNEY TOLD ME I HAVE TO DO WHAT THE ATTORNEY SAYS.
UM, SO AT WHAT POINT DID YOU DECIDE THAT, UM, AFTER CLOSING, YOU DIDN'T PAINT THE HOUSE BEFORE CLOSING? NO.
BUT AFTER CLOSING, WHEN DID YOU PAINT THE HOUSE? WHITE SNOW B WITH POWDER BLUE? I WANT TO SAY IT WAS MAYBE TWO WEEKS BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
SO THE FIRST PART OF NOVEMBER AT LEAST I WANT TO SAY THAT, OR MAYBE IT WAS LIKE AROUND OCTOBER 24TH.
'CAUSE THAT'S BRIAN'S BIRTHDAY.
SO IT WAS ANYTIME BEFORE THEN.
I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN THAT DOWN.
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BUT EITHER ENDING OF OCTOBER OR BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.AND WHEN DID YOU FIRST FIND OUT THAT THAT WAS DONE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE? I THINK IT WAS, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT MY MESSAGES, BUT IT'S WHEN I LIKE STARTED CALLING.
I HONESTLY, RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT DATE.
BUT I CAN FIND IT BASED ON LIKE, WHEN I CONTACTED THEM.
UM, THEY'RE GETTING TO WHETHER OR NOT WHAT WAS DONE TO THE PROPERTY IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT? MM-HMM.
UM, AND BY WHOM THAT LEADS US WITH WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND, UM, I ALREADY KNOW HOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT AND I'M, UH, VERY GLAD THAT YOU, UM, HAVE, UM, REACHED OUT TO CITY STAFF AND LET 'EM KNOW HOW EAGER YOU ARE TO GET THIS RECTIFIED AND UM, 'CAUSE IT IS A VERY PRETTY HOUSE.
IT'S HAD A SAD LITTLE HISTORY WHEN IT HAD A FIRE IN IT.
BUT THEN IT GOT BROUGHT BACK TOGETHER AND IT'S GOT A PRETTY WRAPAROUND AND IT'S MID-BLOCK.
SO IT HAS A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE BLOCK.
UM, HOWEVER, WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE APPLICATION OF THE COLOR SCHEME, IN MY OPINION IS IT HAS GIVEN THAT PROPERTY STANDALONE QUALITY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE FROM THE END OF THE STREET, YOU DON'T, YOUR MIND DOESN'T READ WHAT A PRETTY BLOCK FACE THAT IS, HOW PRETTY EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IS.
IT MAKES YOUR HOUSE STAND OUT INSTEAD OF BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE WHOLE MM-HMM.
AND IN THE DISTRICT, PART OF OUR GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE WHOLE, NOT TO LET EACH HOUSE SHOWCASE BEYOND THE WHOLE.
SO, UM, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT'S, IT'S NOT PERSONAL.
IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT PROTECTS THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT AND, UM, ENHANCES THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
SO, UM, AND GOOD LUCK TRYING TO TRACK BACK AND FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT HAPPENED.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT YOUR AWARENESS LEVEL.
WAS IT A NEIGHBOR THAT TOLD YOU THAT THE HOUSE GOT PAINTED AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD A CA OR NO? DID YOU GET A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEBODY? UH, FOR WHAT? I'M SORRY.
WHO, WHO INFORMED YOU THAT? I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET A CA YEAH.
AFTER YOU'D ALREADY PAINTED THE, THE LETTER.
SO WHEN I CALLED THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR WHOEVER, UM, PASSED BY.
SO IT WAS, THEY TOLD ME AND THEY WERE CONFUSED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT WAS WHITE AND BLUE.
AT THAT POINT THEY ASSUMED IT WAS BLACK MASONRY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
OH, SO EVEN THE CITY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE WHITE PEOPLE.
SO IT WAS LIKE, JUST BAD TIMING ALL AROUND.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE MADAM CHAIR.
UNLESS YOU READY FOR MOTION? UH, WELL I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY.
WE HAVE TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF REGARDING THIS QUANDARY WE'RE IN.
WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE BIG PROBLEM FOR US IS THAT MASONRY HAS BEEN PAINTED.
MASONRY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PAINTED BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE THE MASONRY BECAUSE IT'S THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
IT'S ALSO A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT DOES TEND TO PEEL OFF.
NOW YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD NUMBER OF COATS ON THERE NOW, SO, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BLUE WITH BLACK SHOWING THROUGH AND THEN BLUE WITH BLACK AND BRICK SHOWING THROUGH.
SO IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE THAT WE WERE TO FIND THAT WE SIMPLY CANNOT COUNTENANCE THE PAINTING OF MASONRY, HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANYBODY ABOUT HOW TO RE HOW TO GET THE PAINT OFF OF THERE? 'CAUSE IT CAN BE DONE.
IT'S NOT EASY, BUT IT, IT CAN BE DONE.
SO THE PERSON, UM, OR THE COMPANY WHO PAINTED THE BRICK TO BEGIN WITH, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AS SOON AS LIKE WE, UM, GOT THE NOTICE AND I WAS LIKE, WELL THE ONE THING THAT THEY SAID WAS THE MASONRY WAS PROBABLY GONNA BE LIKE A LITTLE HARDER TO APPROVE.
SO I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT, WE'LL WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
SO, SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE.
NO, NO ONE WANTS TO DO IT, BUT YOU, YOU CAN DO IT ABOUT STAFF WILL WORK WITH HER AS WELL? YEAH.
AND, AND MARK HAS PROBABLY HAS SOME IDEAS.
HE STARTED WHEN HE WAS LIKE SIX YEARS OLD.
SO HE'S JUST HAD TONS OF TIME TO, TO GAIN A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE.
UM, REGARDING THAT BLUE, THE PAINT SAMPLE AS I SAW IT ON THE EMAIL DOCKET THAT WE GET DID NOT LOOK LIKE THE BLUE I SEE ON THE PICTURE.
UM, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE BLUE AT ALL? SO IT'S A LITTLE LESS, UM, SKY LIKE BLUE OR, UM, IS THAT THE SAME BLUE THAT WE SENT? IT'S THE SAME BLUE.
I THINK THAT ONE WAS CHOSEN FROM LIKE THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS LIKE HISTORIC LINE.
IT WAS LIKE THE ONE THING IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT NO, IT WASN'T SHERWIN WAY.
I WAS, I CAN'T, CAN'T FIND IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WASN'T THEM.
BUT ARE YOU SET ON THAT BLUE OR WOULD A LESS, UM, UNIQUE BLUE BE AN OPTION? WE ARE SET ON THAT BLUE.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONCE WE CHANGE THE MASONRY BACK TO THE WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL COLOR OF THE MASONRY IS? YES.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN DOES, SHE'S SEEN EVERY HOUSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WAS ABOVE COLOR AND YOU CAN, THE, THE PICTURES OF
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IT ARE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.SO IF YOU GO TO ZILLOW OR YOU GO TO GET A REALTOR TO PULL OUT THE MLS RECORDS, YOU CAN SEE OKAY.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE PORCH RAIL.
UNLESS YOU STILL HAVE THE PORCH RAIL IN THE BACKYARD SOMEWHERE.
I MEAN, WHAT LED TO THE REMOVAL OF THE PORCH RAIL? UH, NO.
UM, SO THE PORCH RAIL WAS ALREADY FALLING OFF.
LIKE IT WAS LITERALLY HANGING ON BY A THREAD.
LIKE, LIKE BRIAN LEANED ON ONE OF THE SIDES AND HE, HE FELL TO THE SIDE.
SO AT THAT POINT IT BECAME MORE OF A HAZARD FOR US TO KEEP IT ON.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS REMOVED.
BUT THAT CAN ALWAYS BE REPLACED.
WE JUST HADN'T REALLY GOTTEN AROUND TO THAT SIDE.
I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSION WAS ASKING, DID YOU SAVE THE PORTRAYAL THAT CAME OFF OR HAS IT BEEN THROWN AWAY? BECAUSE IF YOU SAVED IT, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SALVAGE IT.
OR AT LEAST DUPLICATE IT WITH EASE BECAUSE YOU HAD THE ORIGINAL.
SO IF, IF THE REMOVAL OF IT IS NOT APPROVED, THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY CAUSE US TO ASK YOU TO REAPPLY WITH A PROPOSED, UM, BANISTER THAT YOU WANNA PUT BACK UP.
AND YOU ALSO SHOULD ASK IF, IF THERE'S ANY OUTSIDE OF US CODE REASONS WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE THERE FOR THE SAFETY OF KEEPING PEOPLE FROM FALLING OFF.
PARTICULARLY ANY CHILDREN THAT MIGHT SHOW UP, WHICH COULD HAPPEN KNOWN TO
SO, UM, ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GOT A QUESTION.
LET'S LET COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS ASK HIS QUESTION, UM, THE PORCH FLOOR, UM, THAT'S PAINTED BLUE AS WELL.
TO ME THAT STANDS OUT JUST AS MUCH AS THE PAINTED BRICK.
UH, HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REVERSING THAT AND NOT HAVING THAT AS THIS BRIGHT SHINY BLUE PORCH THAT STANDS ALONE TO ITSELF? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN KEEPING AS THERE MAIN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REVERSING THAT, UH, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REVERSING THAT.
WOULD YOU, UH, WOULD YOU BE THOUGHT THINKING AND THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY AS WELL IF THAT WOULD COME UP? UM, ULTIMATELY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT WE DO LIKE THE PORCH BEING THAT COLOR AND ESPECIALLY IF THE MASONRY IS GONNA GO BACK TO THAT COLOR, I DON'T THINK IT'LL STAND OUT AS MUCH ONCE THE MASONRY IS BACK ESTABLISHED TO THEIR ORIGINAL COLOR.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE BESIDES COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WHO HASN'T GONE YET THAT NEEDS TO SPEAK? OKAY, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE COLORS, THE SNOW BOUND IS ACTUALLY, UM, A GRAYISH UNDERTONE.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S RECOMMENDED BY SHERWIN WILLIAMS THAT IT ALSO ACCOMPANY COLORS THAT ALSO TOO HAVE A GRAYISH UNDERTONE AND THIS PARTICULAR SHADE OF POWDER BLUE, I DON'T KNOW WHO MIXED IT OR WHY THEY MIXED IT LIKE IT IS, IT DOESN'T INDICATE ANY MUTED COMPONENTS OF GRAY, EVEN THOUGH THE PAINT SWATCH LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MUTED BLUE.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH WHATEVER COLOR YOU WERE REALLY PROVIDED.
AND YOU MIGHT WANNA REVISIT THAT.
UM, AND THE ORIGINAL BRICK WAS A BUFF COLOR AND, UM, THE REASON I MENTIONED THE IMAGES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN IS 'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW THE PORCH RAIL WAS DESIGNED.
UM, WHEN YOU ZERO IN ON IT, YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW IT WAS DONE.
SO JUST TAKING YOUR QUEUE WHEN YOU GO TO PUT THE PORCH RAIL BACK SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE, I URGE YOU NOT TO TAKE YOUR CUE FROM WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SURROUNDING HOUSES.
BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF DOCUMENTED HISTORY ON THIS HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CUES FROM THERE.
SINCE NO ONE ELSE, OH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON NOW HAS A QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT POWDER BLUE ON THE SCREEN? IS THAT THE COLOR YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE PAINTING? WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT ON ALL.
LOOK, DO YOU HAVE A ACTUAL SAMPLE OF THAT IN YOUR DOCUMENT? WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL SAMPLE, NO.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE, BUT THAT WOULD, THAT'S THE PICTURE.
YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF IT, BUT NOT AN ACTUAL, NOT THE ACTUAL THING.
WE DON'T GENERALLY DO THAT, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE EASY ENOUGH TO GET FROM THE SHERWIN-WILLIAMS STORE AND COMPARE, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WHAT I SEE ON THE SCREEN IS NOWHERE NEAR WHAT I SEE ON THE HOUSE.
UM, EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER IS WRONG, OR MAYBE IS, UH, SAID IT EARLIER.
MAYBE IT WAS MIXED WRONG IN PRAIRIE AND CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURE.
THE COLORS ARE MUTED, THEY'RE EARTH TONES.
NOW THAT'S AN EARTH TONE COLOR.
AND WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE IS NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
I'M, I HONESTLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
UM, BUT MAYBE IT'S ALSO THE LIGHTING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CAMERA TAKING THE PICTURE AS WELL.
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OKAY.I I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHAT I SEE HERE IS IT IS APPROPRIATE.
WHAT I SEE IN THE HOUSE IS NOT.
ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY WHO WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION NOW.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION, UM, IN THE MATTER OF 2 2 3 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE IN THE WINKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 18 MW.
IS THAT ITEM ONE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE THE WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P 8 7 1 1 1 A EIGHT, WHICH STATES THE COLORS MUST BE COMPLIMENTARY OF THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT AND THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C, ROMAN I-B-B-C-C FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WITH STATE, THE WORK WILL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE, UM, ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE AND NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, UM, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY, UH, WITHOUT, UM, DENY THE REQUEST.
AND NUMBER THREE, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REMOVAL OF THE BALUSTRADE FROM THE FRONT PORCH.
I A I SECOND THAT BEFORE, WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK, WILL YOU CONFIRM THAT ON NUMBER TWO YOU ARE REQUESTING STRAIGHT DENIAL RATHER THAN DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ALL RIGHT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE RECORD.
DO YOU SECOND MR. ANDERSON? OKAY, NOW, ANY DISCUSSION AMONG MAKING NOTE? CAN I SPEAK TO THE MOTION IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK THIS IS THE FASTEST, EASIEST WAY TO DO IT.
KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE BECAUSE THIS HAS TO BE FINE TUNED ANYWAY.
THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME BACK AND, UM, THAT TIME EVERYTHING I THINK WILL BE SET RIGHT AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF FORETHOUGHT AND A LOT OF ADVICE OFFERED ALONG THE WAY.
UM, I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
UM, MS. RIVERA, UH, YOU, SINCE YOU DID RECEIVE DENIALS, YOU HAVE THE OPTION IF YOU WANTED TO, OF APPEALING FOR A FEE TO CPC AND THEIR STANDARD WOULD BE, WERE WE WRONG ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WHAT YOU HAD DONE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR BASIS OF OUR DECISION? I A THAT COULD TAKE A WHILE AND OF COURSE, LIKE I SAID, JEFF
AND SO WE'RE SORRY YOU'RE HAVING THESE DIFFICULTIES AND THAT YOU ACTUALLY BOUGHT INTO THEM.
UH, SOMETIMES FIRST HOMEOWNER, FIRST TIME HOMEOWNERS DON'T HAVE QUITE THIS PROBLEM, BUT THEY HAVE OTHERS.
IF YOUR TOILETS WORK, YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO I WISH YOU WELL AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK HERE TOO.
THANK YOU TO FURTHER WORK WITH THIS.
ITEM D ONE IS 26 16 STATE STREET IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 1 25 MW.
I'M MARCUS WATSON ONCE AGAIN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS A REQUEST, UH, I'M SORRY, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTHEAST WEIR OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROTTEN SIDING APPROXIMATELY 60% ON THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE IN KIND STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS DATED 1 2 24 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ALL SIDING AND TRIM MATERIALS EXACTLY MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND THAT THE WINDOWS FACING THE STREET, THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS MOVED FROM THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW 51 P DASH 2, 25 0.109, A TWO, A THREE, A NINE, A 11, A 14, AND A 16.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4 5 0 1
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G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHEAST REAR OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS DATED 1 2 24 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE SITING PROFILE OF THE REAR PORTION OF THE ADDITION MATCH THAT ON THE ORIGINAL FRONT STRUCTURE AND THAT THE WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 2 25 0.10109 A TWO, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE.
THREE IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROTTEN SIDING APPROXIMATELY 60% ON THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE IN KIND BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE REPLACEMENT SIDING EXACTLY MATCHED THE HISTORIC AND MATERIAL SIZE AND PROFILE, AND THAT THE APPLICANT WILL USE MATERIAL SALVAGE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS PRACTICAL AND WITH THE FINDING THAT THE INTENT IS PRESERVATION, BUT THAT THE AMOUNT OF ROTTEN WOOD EXCEEDS THE AMOUNT CUSTOMARILY APPROVED UNDER ROUTINE MAINTENANCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 2 25 0.109 A 11, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE, SUCCESSFUL REVISION STEP, STEP BACK AND ROOF LINE REVISIONS ON THE SOUTHWEST ADDITION.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHEAST REAR OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE SUCCESSFUL REVISIONS.
SOME WORK ON WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE ADDITION WOULD BE GOOD.
NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROTTEN SIDING, APPROXIMATELY 60% ON THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE IN KIND, NO QUORUM, NO COMMENTS.
ALL RIGHT, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS REGISTERED ON THIS ONE.
THE FIRST OF WHOM IS JAY KUSKI.
PLEASE BEGIN WITH HER NAME AND ADDRESS.
1 1 5 1 4 GATESVILLE DRIVE, FRISCO, TEXAS, I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, ELAINE OVER THERE WILL BE TIMING YOU.
UM, AS EVERYONE HOPEFULLY REMEMBERS, WE WERE HERE JUST LAST MONTH'S HEARING, SO RATHER THAN GOING OVER THE FULL AND COMPLETE, UM, SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD TAKE US LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES, I WAS JUST GONNA FOCUS ON GOING THROUGH THE, UH, THREE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE IN IN LAST, UH, HEARING.
AND MARCUS, IF YOU DON'T MIND BRINGING UP A 10 SHEET OF THE PDF, WHICH WOULD BE A 2.6.
UM, THIS SHOULD GIVE ME, UM, SPOT WHERE I CAN RUN THROUGH A FEW OF THE THINGS, BUT WE, WE'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF THEM AND, AND THEY WERE IN TODAY'S HEARING, BASICALLY THE, UH, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE, THAT WE STEP BACK THAT RIGHT SIDE OF THE ADDITION.
WHEN I SPEAK TO THE RIGHT SIDE, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE FACING THE HOUSE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOME.
UM, THIS ADDITION, IT WAS, UM, UH, A FEW, A FEW SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS AT, AT 12 INCHES ONE FOOT.
SO WE TOOK THAT, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE STEPPED THAT BACK ONE FOOT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, UM, IN, IN THIS VIEW RIGHT HERE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT RENDERING, IT GIVES YOU A GOOD, UH, A GOOD VIEW AND VANTAGE POINT OF THAT.
AND I, I THINK THAT IT GIVES IT A VERY CLEAR DEMARCATION AND AND DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT AND THE ADDITION THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS MARCUS, UH, STATED BEFORE, WE ARE TAKING HISTORICAL WINDOWS AND PUTTING THEM ON THAT FRONT FACING ADDITION.
SO ALL VISIBLE FACADES ARE, UM, ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE, THAT WE COULD AND THAT WE WERE TAKING INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UH, TO, TO DO PROPERLY.
UM, THE SECOND AND THIRD RECOMMENDATIONS I WILL KIND OF COVER WITH THE SAME TIME, AND THIS IS THE SAME, SAME SHEET HERE, IF YOU LOOK ONE RENDERING UP.
SO THE SECOND RENDERING FROM THE BOTTOM THAT SHOWS THE LEFT SIDE VANTAGE POINT AT A 60 DEGREE VIEWPOINT, THAT IS, UH, BASICALLY SHOWING THE, UH, WE HAD A SIDE ADDITION THAT WAS COMING ALONG THE SIDE JUST A LITTLE STRIP BEFORE WE GOT RID OF THAT SIDE ADDITION.
AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, DROP THE ROOF, THE ROOF PLANE AND ROOF PITCH BEHIND THE HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT GABLE, WHICH IS THE LEFT FACING GABLE THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.
WE DROP THAT ROOF PITCH TO FURTHER,
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UH, CREATE THAT DELINEATE THAT THAT LINEATION IN, THAT, THAT DEMARCATION FROM THE EXISTING HISTORICAL STRUCTURE TO THE NEW AND PROPOSED ADDITION.UH, BEFORE WHEN WE WERE HERE, IT WAS BASICALLY THE SAME WALL, UH, CONTINUOUS ALONG THE LEFT SIDE.
AND NOW YOU CAN SEE IT, IT DOES STEP OUT.
IT, IT ACTUALLY IS IN THE, THE SAME SPOT, UH, THAT WE HAD THE ADDITION BEFORE.
SO WE WERE, UH, PREVIOUSLY EXTENDING THAT ADDITION TO THE SIDE YARD LOT LINE AND WE'VE MAINTAINED THAT, UM, THAT THAT DISTANCE OVER THERE.
SO THAT'S JUST TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE COMMENTS THIS MORNING ABOUT THAT ADDITION GOING OUT VERSUS IN.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, VISUALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GIVING THE, THE SAME DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT'S NEW AND WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S HISTORICAL FROM A VIEWPOINT THAT'S NOT, UM, A VERY PROMINENT VIEWPOINT.
SO THAT WAS THE SECOND AND THIRD ITEMS, UH, OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE.
THE FOURTH WASN'T REALLY A RECOMMENDATION, IT WAS JUST MORE OF A COMMENT.
UM, THE WINDOWS ON THE LEFT SIDE, WE, WE ADDRESSED THOSE, THOSE WERE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S COMMENT.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE GIVE THE APPLICANT ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
SO THE, THE, UH, THE, THE LAST ITEM THERE WAS THE, UH, THE, THE FENESTRATION ON THE LEFT SIDE, BASICALLY, UH, IT WAS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN, THAN A, AN ACTUAL, I THINK THERE WERE THE, THE PREVIOUS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MORE OUTLINED.
THIS WAS JUST MORE OF A, OF A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE SPECIFICALLY FROM COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND THEN A FEW OTHERS.
UM, THAT THE, UH, THE FENESTRATION SPECIFICALLY ON THIS LEFT SIDE WAS JUST A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT, THAT IMAGE IN THE MIDDLE SHOWS WHERE WE WERE LAST MONTH AND, UH, THE, THE IMAGE ON THE TOP IS WHAT WE'VE DONE TO REVISE THAT LEFT ELEVATION.
YOU CAN FURTHER SEE THE LEFT ADDITION NOT COMING ON THE SIDE ANYMORE.
AND THEN ALSO THAT ROOF PITCH AND THAT ROOF PLANE DROPPING BEHIND THE HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT AND THE HISTORICAL GABLE RIGHT BEHIND THAT GREEN OUTLINE HIGHLIGHTED AREA WHERE WE, UH, DROP THAT ROOF TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, UH, OF A, OF A LINE THERE AND A OF A SEPARATION.
SO THAT, UM, THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD FROM LAST, LAST MONTH'S, UH, MEETING.
WE TOOK ALL OF THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION AND DID WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS, UM, MAKING RIGHT BY THOSE COMMENTS AND STAFF.
AND THE TASK FORCE IS, UH, IN FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, THEY HAVE AGREED THAT, THAT WE'VE DONE WHAT, WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE DONE THERE TO, TO ADDRESS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND THEN I WOULD JUST, UH, REQUEST THAT WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING AND LOOKING AT, AT THE ADDITION FURTHER TODAY, THAT, THAT WE DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT SHEET 10 JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO THE SIDE ELEVATIONS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS AND THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, MIGHT MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONS STAND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE HAVE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY LEADING UP TO OUR, OUR FIRST MEETING WITH LANDMARK AND SINCE OUR FIRST MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, NOT ONLY ARE WE MEETING ALL OF THE, UH, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE, UM, DOING WHAT WE CAN TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FROM A, THE VANTAGE POINT THAT, THAT WE SEE THE HOUSE BEING SEEN FROM, FROM THE STREET THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, DOING ANYTHING TO, UH, TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
AND YOU WILL HANG AROUND FOR QUESTIONS AFTER WE HEAR FROM OUR OTHER SPEAKERS, ROBERT REINS.
OH, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE, DO YOU GUYS ACTUALLY WANNA SPEAK? YEAH, WE, THEY WERE SIGNING MOSTLY UP AS SPEAKERS IN CASE THEY HAD QUESTIONS.
SO MARK TRIMBLE, THAT'S YOU AND WHO'S BRENT TIMMERMAN? HE WAS GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
WE HAVE, UH, MARK TRILL AND ROBERT REYES, THE OWNER.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO NEXT, IF THEY DON'T ACTUALLY NEED TO SPEAK, BUT IF YOU ARE GONNA ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME DO THE WHOLE NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UM, OKAY.
COME ON UP HERE AND PROMISE ME YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME THE TRUTH AND, ALRIGHT.
UH, SO MY NAME IS MARK TRILL, I'M CO-OWNER ALONG WITH MY PARTNER ROBERT.
UM, I LIVE AT 29 21 THOMAS AVENUE IN DALLAS.
UM, AND I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.
I LIVE IN 29 21 THOMAS AVENUE.
UM, AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.
SO NOW WE'RE GOOD, GOOD TO GO IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF APPLICANTS OR STAFF.
UH, GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER OFFIT.
WELL, FIRST, UH, I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR TAKING THE HEART AND THE COMMENTS AND REQUESTS MADE PRE THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND FOR YOUR TIME AND OUR DILIGENT WORK AND PROBABLY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO GET THIS RIGHT.
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QUESTION IS FOR STAFF, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS SUBMITTED, UM, MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA, CITY-WISE, INTERNATIONAL INTERIOR WISE, UH, WHETHER IT BE THE DELINEATION OR, UM, JUST, JUST EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WAY THIS IS ADMITTED MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.IS THAT CORRECT? MARCUS? IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND, AND THE, THE LOT COVERAGE AND ZONING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE COMPLETED THEIR ANALYSIS AND F AND HAVE FOUND THAT, THAT IT DOES AND IT WILL BE CONFIRMED BY BUILDING INSPECTIONS TO MAKE SURE, UH, THERE WILL BE NO PERMITS, UH, UM, UNTIL, UNTIL THAT IS DEFINITELY CONFIRMED AND IT DOES MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THE DESIGN CRITERIA AS, AS FAR AS OUR, AS FAR AS OUR ANALYSIS, IT DOES MEET THE STANDARDS.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER CUMMINS? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, EVEN THOUGH I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD WORK ON THIS AND WE'VE GONE THE RIGHT WAY, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO STILL ON IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE NEW ADDITION IS HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
UH, WHY AND WHAT ARE THE CEILING HEIGHTS IN THIS, IN THIS ADDITION THAT COULD BE DRIVING THE HEIGHT OF THAT? YES, SO THE, THE ADDITION IS, UH, IT IS HIGHER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
WE HAD AN INITIALLY SUBMITTED TO TASK FORCE, UM, BEFORE COMING FOR OUR FIRST, UH, LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING WITH THE RIDGE HEIGHT RAISED SO THAT IT WAS NOT, UM, AND IN THE, UH, ORDINANCE IT STATES THAT AS LONG AS WE ARE CONSIDERING THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN RAISE THAT RIDGE HEIGHT.
SO WE HAD DONE THAT AT, AT IN, IN THE INITIAL STAGE AND IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM TASK FORCE THAT WE LOWER THAT RIDGE LINE AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING RIDGE LINE.
UM, SO TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ON THE CEILING HEIGHTS, WE HAVE A 10 FOOT CEILING PLATE IN THE BACK AND A NINE FOOT CEILING PLATE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, 16 INCH FLOOR SYSTEM IN BETWEEN.
SO, UM, WE'RE NOT GOING EXCESSIVE ON THE CEILING HEIGHTS THERE.
AND WE HAVE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SHEET THAT'S UP RIGHT HERE WITH THE FRONT VANTAGE POINTS WITH IT, YOU, YOU'RE DOWN QUITE A BIT FROM THE STREET AND EVEN FROM THE FRONT YARD WHEN YOU'RE ON THE WATERFALL STEPS, IT'S STILL SET SO FAR BACK THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY, ANY VIEWPOINT OF THAT ADDITION HEIGHT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DID INITIALLY HAVE THAT RIDGE HEIGHT RAISED, SO WHEN YOU DID LOOK AT THE STRAIGHT ON ELEVATIONS, THE, THE HEIGHT WAS, UH, OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WAS, WAS HIGHER THAN THE ADDITION IN THE BACK.
UM, AND IT WOULD STILL BE LESS THAN THE, THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE, THE THE CLOSEST ADJACENT VICTORIAN STRUCTURE TO US.
SO YOU HAVE 10 FOOT CEILING HEIGHTS AND NINE NINE FOOT YOU SAID ON THE SECOND FLOOR? YES, SIR.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S SOME ROOM IN THERE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BRING THAT DOWN.
I DO UNDERSTAND THE SIGHT LINES AND HOW YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE SIGHTLINE STUDIES TO TELL THE STORY, UM, ON HOW YOU WANT TO KIND OF MIGRATE TO THE, TO THE VIEWER SEEING IT.
UM, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ON THE, UM, THE ROOF LINE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE RIGHT HAND BUMP, THE RIGHT HAND FRONT OF THAT ADDITION.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO SEPARATE AND DELINEATE THAT, UH, FROM THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
BUT THE OTHER ISSUE I'M HAVING IS ALSO HOW IT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE, THE GABLE ON THE SIDE, HOW IT, YOU'VE GOT THIS INCREASED SQUARE FOOTAGE DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS, SO IT'S EXTENDING THAT ROOF LINE OUT FURTHER AND IT KIND OF CHANGES THAT QUITE A BIT TOO.
AND IT'S, IT'S AN ODDITY, UH, KIND OF STANDS OUT, UM, THAT IT'S NOT JUST A TYPICAL GABLE, UH, AT THIS, YOU KNOW, ON A BALANCED SITUATION.
UM, IS THERE ANY, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SHORTENING THAT UP SO THAT WOULDN'T BE SUCH AN ODDITY ON THAT ROOF LINE AND IS THERE WORK THERE THAT, THAT COULD BE TIGHTENED UP IF IT'S A SO, SO THIS
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IS THE SAME, THE SAME UH, ELEVATION REALLY THAT WE'RE, THAT WE HAD COULD, COULD, COULD MAYBE A, A BALANCED ROOF THERE WITH A FLAT ROOF TO EXTEND, GET THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU'RE DESIRING OUT THE BACK BUT NOT KIND OF GREAT GREATLY CHANGE THE THE ROOF LINE IT.YEAH, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE, THE, THE NEXT SHEET PLEASE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING, THE SECOND RENDERING DOWN, BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE DOING THERE WAS, UM, IN THAT STEP AND, AND EVEN IN THE, IN LAST MONTH'S MEETING IS, UM, MAINTAINING THAT FRONT RIDGE LINE OR I'M SORRY, UH, ROOF PITCH IN ORDER TO, AND, AND ESPEC ESPECIALLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID THE STEP.
SO THAT WAY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT STEP, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO PARALLEL ROOF ROOF PLANES GOING, UM, RATHER THAN, THAN CHANGING THE ROOF PITCH.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, UM, I I THINK THAT WE, WE COULD EASILY, YOU KNOW, RUN A FASCIA DOWN SO IT GAVE IT ALMOST LIKE A SHED ROOF TYPE OF LOOK FROM THERE RATHER THAN DOING LIKE A FLAT ROOF OFF OF THAT.
AND THAT WOULD GET US THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, RIGHT.
UM, THAT, THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY, WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO CHANGE THAT WALL.
UM, IF I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT THERE'S, AND FROM OUR VISUAL STUDIES, THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S TIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES THERE TO WHERE I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT, THAT SIDE VANTAGE POINT WHERE YOU REALLY GET THAT PERSPECTIVE OF THE DIFFERENT ROOF PLANES, BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY EASILY RUN A, A FASCIA DOWN AT THE SAME PITCH PITCH TO GIVE THAT, UM, THAT APPEARANCE.
UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION AND I'LL, I'LL BE DONE.
I JUST, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S DRIVING THE LEFT HAND SMALL LITTLE SQUARE FOOTAGE BUMP OUT, UH, THAT STARTS IN THE BACK OF THE ORIGINAL RIGHT.
UM, WHAT ARE WE GAINING OUT OF DOING THAT? WHAT'S, IS THERE ANYTHING IMPEDING OR IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADD JUST ANOTHER TWO FEET OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE INTERIOR PART OF THE HOUSE AND THEN WE'RE HAVING THIS DRASTIC ODDITY OF, AND ONCE AGAIN ANOTHER ODDITY TO THE EXTERIOR OF HAVING THIS, THIS KIND OF WEIRD BUMP OUT AT THAT TIME.
UM, LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLANS, IT'S JUST SHOWING THAT IT'S JUST KIND OF INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE JUST A BIT.
TELL US WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, WHY, WHY YOU'RE NEEDING TO GET THAT BUMP OUT? IT, IT, IT'S THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE ADDITION WAS IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND WE WERE BASICALLY TAKING IT TO THE, TO THE SIDE SETBACK, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, THE FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
UM, IT WAS REQUESTED AND RECOMMENDED THAT WE GET RID OF THE SIDE ADDITION PORTION AND WE DID THAT.
SO IT, IT, I THINK THAT IT, UH, IF WE, YEAH, IN LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING HERE AT THE BOTTOM OR WHAT IS AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S REALLY THE SECOND TO THE BOTTOM, BUT IT'S UM, BOTTOM OF WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, THE, THE THIRD RENDERING DOWN IT, THE, UH, THE ADDITION STEPS THERE INSTEAD OF GOING IN.
UM, I I REALLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LEFT WHERE IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, MEETING AND THERE WEREN'T ANY COMMENTS ON HOW WE WERE COMING OUT TO THE SIDE THERE.
SO WE, UH, WE KEPT THAT GOING TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AS, AS WE HAD HAD IT BEFORE.
UM, PERSONALLY I THINK THAT WE'RE GIVING IT ABOUT THE SAME DELINEATION AS WE WOULD IF IT WAS GOING IN VERSUS GOING OUT.
UM, E ESPECIALLY FROM A, FROM A NOT, NOT VERY MUCH SEEN GABLE PERSPECTIVE.
AND, AND JUST TO FURTHER RESPOND TO THAT, UH, ANY UNWILLINGNESS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT PERCEIVE AS UNWILLINGNESS HERE IS NOT UNWILLINGNESS AT ALL? WE ARE HOPING THAT OUR COMMENTS THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED IN AND, AND OUR, OUR, UM, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN UP FROM LAST HEARING THAT WE'VE DONE, IT'S, IT'S MORE SO THAT WE'RE HERE AGAIN IN THE HOPES OF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T KEEP MOVING THE GOALPOST SO TO SPEAK.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING CORRECT.
THIS COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, I'VE GOT SOMEBODY HERE TOO, DON.
AND WE DO, WE ALL APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU LISTEN TO WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME 'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY DOES AND VENT TO THESE EFFORTS TO TRY TO MEET IT, IT IS OF COURSE UNSETTLING IF WE WERE TO DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T MENTION LAST TIME NOW, BUT IF WE DEEMED IT TO BE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT, THEN WE SHOULD AT LEAST DISCUSS IT.
COMMISSIONER RENE? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
UM, SO I KNOW, OR AT LEAST FROM THE LAST SUBMISSION, THAT THE FENCE IS NOT PART OF THE SUBMISSION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, AND YOU'LL, UM, UNDERSTAND MY, MY, UH, LINE OF QUESTIONING HERE IN A MOMENT, BUT, UM, I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF THERE ARE ANY FENCE, UM, REQUIREMENTS THAT, UM, THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD THE, THE SIDE FENCE ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO THERE'S ALREADY AN
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EXISTING FENCE THERE, SO THAT, AND UNLESS THEY WANT TO CHANGE DEFENSE, IT, IT CAN REMAIN WHERE IT IS.BUT WE DO HAVE FENCE REGULATIONS AND I IT'S, I I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
WELL, SO THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT, UM, UM, IN THE GABLE, THE TYPIC OR IN OTHER, UH, DISTRICTS, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT CERTAIN OF OF STATE THOMAS, UH, BUT GENERALLY FENCES ARE RESTRICTED TO, UM, AN ARCHITECTURAL FE, IF NOT 50% THEN AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THE SIDE YARD.
AND, UM, BECAUSE, SO NOW WE'VE, UM, UM, WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, THAT THE ELEVATION HAS NOW NOT OVER, IS NO LONGER OVERLAPPING THE, THE EXISTING HOME.
HOWEVER, I'VE SEEN OR I'VE NOTICED THAT THE, THE WINDOW PLACEMENT IS NOT IN THE CENTER ANYMORE.
AND SO IF, IF, UH, SUBMISSION FOR THE FENCE CAME LATER AND IT DOES HAVE TO BE PUSHED BACK NOW, IT WILL BE NOTICEABLE THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT IN THE CENTER OF THE GABLE.
UM, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THOSE WINDOWS ARE LINING UP WITH A SINK.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE CABINETRY CAN BE SHIFTED AROUND SO THAT THAT CAN FALL IN THE CENTER OF THE GABLE.
LIKEWISE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, UH, OF THE HOME ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THOSE DOUBLE WINDOWS ARE NOT IN THE CENTER OF THE GABLE EITHER.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S COVERING IT UP RIGHT NOW OR IS HELPING COVER IT UP IS THE FENCE.
THE FACT THAT THE FENCE IS ALL THE WAY AT THE FRONT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IF THERE'S NO, UM, IF, IF THERE'S NO ORDINANCE, UH, UH, RESTRICTING THE FENCE PLACEMENT, THEN IT BECOMES LESS OF AN ISSUE OR, OR PERHAPS A NON-ISSUE.
THERE THERE IS A, IF THERE WERE TO BE A NEW FENCE PROPOSAL, THEN THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES.
THAT FENCE WOULD NEED TO BE, WOULD NEED TO GO BACK THUMB.
THE LONGER ANSWER IS THAT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SCREENING, THE COMMISSION CAN USE THE EXCEPTION RULE AND, AND ALLOW IT FOR WHERE IT IS NOW BASICALLY OR FURTHER FORWARD.
I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH BOTH OF THE ARCHITECTURE ON THE COMMISSION.
I BELIEVE THAT THE GABLES ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE, THE ORIGINAL GABLES INCLUDING THE, THE ADDITION, WHICH IS THE GABLE NEED TO BE AS THEY ARE ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, NEED TO BE SYMMETRICAL AND THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ORIGINAL HOUSE ON THE FENCE ISSUE.
JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A FENCE THERE DOESN'T MAKE IT LEGAL.
IF THERE'S NO CA THAT SHOWS THEM PUTTING A FENCE THERE PRIOR TO 1984 WHEN IT WAS DESIGNATED, THAT FENCE IS NON-CONFORMING, IT GOES AWAY.
WE, WE CAN'T PAY HOMAGE TO A FENCE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER WITHOUT APPROVAL BY THIS COMMISSION.
I THINK THE FENCE IS IN THE WRONG LOCATION.
IT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED BACK SO THAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THE ADDITION THAT REPRESENTS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE SHINE AND THE HOUSE HAS ITS THING.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THE FENCE IS NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, BUT THE FENCE IS IN THE DRAWING.
YES, BUT THAT'S AN EXISTING FENCE, RIGHT? THAT IS THE EXISTING FENCE.
IF AND THE FENCE, THE FENCE IS NOT PART OF THIS, UH, REQUEST.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN OF COURSE DO THAT SEPARATELY.
AND I, AND I DO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
CAN I SPEAK TO THE, TO THE GABLES? YES.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO MOVE THE WINDOWS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GABLE IF WE NEED.
THOSE ARE THE KITCHEN WINDOWS? YES MA'AM.
THE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE WOULD PROBABLY PREFER TO JUST NOT HAVE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT HISTORICAL WINDOWS AT ALL, RATHER THAN PUT 'EM IN THE MIDDLE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE A ENTERTAINMENT.
BUT THE ONES ON THE LEFT THAT ARE HISTORICAL WINDOWS, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PUT THOSE OVER IN THE MIDDLE OF.
IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SEEKING, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
I BELIEVE THAT THE WINDOWS ON BOTH GABLES SHOULD BE IN THE CENTER AND THE GABLES SHOULD BE PROMINENT.
SO WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT ONE.
AND YOU HAVE INDICATED YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONFORM WITH THAT.
HE DID SAY CENTER OF BOTH GABLES, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? WE WOULD PREFER RATHER THAN CENTERING THE GABLES ON THE ADDITION, OR, I'M SORRY, CENTERING THE WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION, WHICH IS NOT THE HISTORICAL SIDE.
WE'RE ADDING TO THAT, WE'RE TAKING THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE CURRENTLY AND MOVING THEM TO THE FRONT OF THAT ADDITION.
WE WOULD PREFER TO PROBABLY NOT HAVE WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE, BUT, UM, WE WOULD HAPPILY DO THEM IF WE HAD TO HAVE THEM THERE.
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UM, I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION MAYBE TO HELP.THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I WAS SAYING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST PREFER NOT TO HAVE BECAUSE THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS WHERE THERE WOULD BE A TV ON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL IS WHERE THERE WOULD BE A TV.
SO THE OFFER OFFER THE PROPOSAL ON YOUR PART IS THAT THAT WHOLE SIDE WOULD HAVE NO WINDOWS ON IT.
BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S A CONDITION FOR US TO GET INTO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT COMMISSIONERS ARE UNDERSTANDING THIS.
IS THIS A CONDITION FOR AN APPROVAL? WE WOULD, ARE YOU ASKING ME? YEAH.
ARE YOU HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING FOR THE PROPOSAL? I THINK'S OUR PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S WINDOWS ON THIS BUILDING ON THE ADDITION.
WELL, THE FRONT WINDOWS, THEY NEED TO BE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
IT'S THE SIDE ONES HE'S PROPOSING THAT THEY JUST ELIMINATE SINCE THEY'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE AND HAVE A BLANK WALL INSTEAD.
WOULD THAT BE AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER? YOUR ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
OKAY THEN I, IF THAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IT'S AN ADDITION AND WE NEED TO TREAT, TREAT IT LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO THE HOUSE AND A WALL, A WINDOW.
SO NEITHER THE CURRENT PLACEMENT NOR THE WINDOWLESS WALL APPEAR, BOTH APPEAR TO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM AND, UM, IS THERE, AND IS THERE NO WAY TO PUT THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL? YES.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD PUT THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CARE WHETHER FROM THE INSIDE YOU CAN SEE OUT THE WINDOW.
WE WOULD ON THE OUTSIDE, WE WOULD BE FINE PUTTING THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GABLE ON BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT END.
IF THAT WAS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, UM, ANSWER A CONCERN OF COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S.
NOW, COMMISSIONER RENO WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING AGAIN.
IS THAT WHO I HEARD ALL, ALL I WAS, ALL I WAS GONNA OFFER AS A, AS A SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO SPLIT THOSE WINDOWS APART, BUT MAKE THEM SYMMETRICAL ABOUT THE, THE RIDGE LINE OF THE ROOF.
IF THAT WOULD HELP THE, THE ENTERTAINMENT, UH, PLACEMENT ON THE INSIDE AT ALL.
WELL, WE GOT 'EM TO AGREE TO PUT 'EM IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, SO.
SO IT'S A GOOD POINT UNDER DON'T TELL
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, FURTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? 'CAUSE IF NOT THEN SOMEBODY HAS TO COME UP WITH THE MOTION, A VERY WELL WORDED MOTION THAT DESCRIBES THE THINGS WE HAVE DISCUSSED HERE.
COMMISSIONER RENO HAS A MOTION REGARDING DISCUSSION.
ITEM ONE, UH, 2 6 1 6 STATE STREET, UM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 3 4 DASH 1 2 5 MW.
THAT, UM, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER ONE WITHIN, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, UM, THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE BE APPROVED FOLLOWING, UM, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION EXCEPT FOR THAT WINDOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT OR
UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UM, THE WINDOW PLACEMENT ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT GABLES, UH, BE PLACED, UM, CENTERED ON THE RIDGE LINE, UM, THAT ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION THERE AS WELL.
AND ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW.
MAY I, MAY I JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? SURE.
THAT'S JUST THE RIGHT SIDE ADDITION.
SO THOSE, YOU, WE WOULD NEED THE CONDITION OF THOSE WINDOWS BEING CENTERED.
AND THEN ALSO THEN ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, YOU SAID BOTH GABLES? YES.
SO YES ON THE, IT'S A TWO DIFFERENT, THE KITCHEN.
DO WE NEED THAT REWORDED TO, I I JUST, I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN BOTH ITEM NUMBER ONE AND ITEM NUMBER TWO.
SO THAT BOTH OF THOSE CABLES DISCUSSED TODAY? YES.
THE CORRECT FOREMOST CABLES,
IS THAT COMMISSIONER OFFIT I HEARD? YES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? UH, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO.
ARE WE WE'RE NOT IN QUESTION PERIOD.
WE'RE IN DISCUSSION PERIOD, RIGHT? NO, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING, YEAH, WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW.
I WON'T BE, UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
AND I JUST WANTED TO, JUST TO LET MY BOARD UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
I BELIEVE, UH, I WOULD AGREE TO DISAGREE WITH STAFF, UH, WITH THE, THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
UM, NUMBER 14, NEW ADDITIONS TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT QUOTE FROM NATIONAL PARK SERVICE BRIEF, THAT ADDITIONS SHOULD NOT BE SO DIFFERENT THAT IT BECOMES THE PRIMARY FOCUS.
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I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE STILL, STILL, UH, UP AGAINST THAT.I THINK THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING SHOULD NOT BE HIGHER THAN THE HIS, THAN THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
I THINK THE, UH, THE SIGHT LINES SHOWN, I THINK, UM, DUE ITS DILIGENCE TO PERCEIVE THAT IT, IT'S NOT COMING INTO PLAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE ELEVATION OF THE STREET IS, IS LOWER AND SO YOU CAN GET THOSE SIGHT LINES FROM THE STREET.
BUT IF YOU GET THE SIGHT LINES FROM ACROSS THE YARD WHERE THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME GRADE HEIGHT, THAT THIS WILL BE POPPING UP ON THE BACKSIDE.
AND I THINK IT IS JUST TOO TALL TO ACCOMMODATE THE DESIRES FOR INTERIOR VERTICAL HEIGHTS OF THE ROOMS BEING 10 FEET.
I THINK, UH, THE ADDITION HAS COME A LONG WAYS AND I SUPPORT THE GOOD EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING SO CLOSE AND CLOSER, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT, IT'S STILL AN ADVERSE EFFECT THAT THE ADDITION TAKES AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC HOUSE ON THIS PARTICULAR THING.
SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOVE, UH, MOTION.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE REGARDING THE MOTION OR CONCERNS ABOUT IT? 'CAUSE IN THAT CASE IT'S TIMELY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE IN NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
AGAINST THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY OPPOSED.
I COULD NOT HEAR FROM AT HOME.
SO LET US DO THE TRADITIONAL ROLL CALL VOTE.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN NAYYY.
DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY AYE.
DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN AYE.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR NAYYY.
NO, THE DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER OSA AYE.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AYE.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PREZI AYE.
DISTRICT 14 COMMISSIONER GUEST.
AND SO THE MOTION HAS CARRIED AND, UM, WE, UH, WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.
YOU CAN CONFER WITH MARCUS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, VERIFYING WHAT EXACTLY WE SAID TODAY.
YOU COULD DO
OKAY, THAT MOVES US ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS AT SOUTH CLIFF STREET AND 10TH STREET STAFF.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 3 4 SOUTH CLIFF STREET AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 1 28 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 23 20 23.
WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT EXTERIOR SOLID WOOD SIDING BE CONTINUED TO APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES ABOVE GRADE ON SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS THAT A WATER TABLE TRIM BOARD BE INSTALLED AT GROUND LEVEL ON SIDE AND REAR.
ELEVATIONS THAT SIDEWALKS STEPS AND DRIVEWAY BE A BRUSH FINISH CONCRETE AND THAT MILLIONS BE SOLID WOOD WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH
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OF FOUR INCHES.IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 1.3 PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION 3.2 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS AND THE STANDARDS.
AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE REAL ELEVATION NEEDS TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY, MR. GRANT? I DID SEE HIM ONLINE.
OUR, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS REGISTERED.
THE FIRST REAL SIGNED UP WAS, UM, GIANCARLO GRANT.
ARE YOU ONLINE, SIR? I WAS, YES I AM.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, ARE YOU ALSO ON CAMERA? YEAH.
BECAUSE THE STATE REQUIRES THAT LEST ANYONE IMPERSONATE YOU AND SAY THINGS YOU DID NOT MEAN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S YOU.
COULD YOU BEGIN BY, UH, STATING YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS? UH, YES.
GIANCARLO GRANT ADDRESS IS 2 8 7 1 EAST OVERTON ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 6.
AND YOU, YOU PROMISE OR, OR SWEAR TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? I PROMISE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
UH, SO YOU MAY BEGIN BY ADDRESSING US WITH WHATEVER IS YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW YOU, UH, START WITH THREE MINUTES, WHICH WILL BE TIMING HERE.
UH, CAN I, UM, SHARE MY SCREEN? YES.
UM, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO THESE DRAWINGS FROM BEFORE, BUT BASICALLY I AM PROPOSING TO DO A SHOTGUN STYLE HOME.
IT'S NOT FULLY A SHOTGUN, BUT IT'S A SHOTGUN STYLE.
UM, I WILL USE, UH, WOOD SIDING, WOOD WINDOWS, CRAFTSMAN DOOR.
IT'LL HAVE A A BASICALLY A, A RAISED WOODEN PORCH.
SO THE ENTIRE, UH, HOUSE WILL BE RAISED TWO FEET OFF THE GROUND AS WELL.
AND, UM, THIS WILL BE ASPHALT SHINGLES OR THIS, UH, PORCH, I GUESS SHED ROOF.
AND THEN SAME THING FOR THE, UH, ACTUAL HOUSE ROOF.
UM, THE, THE SIDES ARE PRETTY, I SIMPLE ONE, SAME THING, WOOD WINDOWS THROUGHOUT, UH, CRAFTSMAN DOOR.
UH, AND I WILL HAVE EXPOSED DRAFT DETAILSS ON AT THE ROOF LEVEL.
UH, ALSO I'VE, I'VE TRIED TO WORK ON THE BACK.
I, I WILL SAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN SAYS THAT THE REAR FACADE IS NOT PROTECTED.
UM, THIS IS NOT THE EXACT GARAGE DOOR THAT WILL BE THERE.
IT'LL BE ANOTHER ONE THAT LOOKS SIMILAR, BUT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO, UM, MAKE THAT IN THE MODEL.
SO I I, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO THAT.
THERE WILL BE A REAR PORCH AT THE BACK AND THESE TWO DOORS WILL OPEN UP TO THAT.
UH, THERE IS ONLY ONE HOUSE ON THE BLOCK FACE AND, UM, THEY HAVE, HAVE COVERED UP THEIR PORCH AND THEY HAVE, UH, A SECOND, I GUESS, ACCESSORY BUILDING TOWARDS THE BACK.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT MINE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
THE ONLY THING, UH, I GUESS QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU IS THE, IF I FOLLOW THE, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON THE SITE, THERE ARE LIKE THREE TREES IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND, UH, THE ORDINANCE ALSO SAYS I MUST NOT TAKE DOWN THE TREES.
AND IT SAYS THAT, UM, THE, THE TREES ARE, UM, THE TREES ARE PROTECTED, BUT ALSO I NEED TO KEEP THE SETBACK, BUT THE TREES SHOULD NOT BLOCK THE HOUSE.
SO I GUESS MY HOPE IS THAT YOU GUYS WILL SAY THAT I CAN MOVE THE HOUSE OVER SLIGHTLY JUST TO KINDA GET IT OFF FROM IN FRONT OF THIS TREE
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TO MAYBE LIKE RIGHT HERE.BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT IS IT.
AND I AM HERE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS TREES AND SETBACKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR TREES ARE A SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT, UM, WE HAVE ONE OTHER SPEAKER THOUGH.
UH, IT DOES, IT DOESN'T MATTER UNLESS MR. JOHNSON NEEDS TO SHARE ON SCREEN.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO HEAR FROM MR. JOHNSON.
NOW, LARRY, YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
10 26 BETTER CAN CIRCLE I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, ELAINE.
UM, THE COMMUNITY, WE'VE, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE, UH, THE PRINTS AND, UM, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE WOOD WINDOWS, THE WOOD SIDING.
UH, THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING IS WITH AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
UM, I BELIEVE OUR ORDINANCE SPEAKS AGAINST ATTACHED GARAGES.
WELL, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PRECEDENCE FOR IT IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO, TO, TO REDO THAT.
UM, WE, WE DON'T WANNA SET THAT PRECEDENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE ALREADY, UH, WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME INAPPROPRIATE CONSTRUCTION DONE AND WE DON'T WISH TO KEEP GOING DOWN THIS ROAD.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE ASKING THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD RECTIFY THAT.
AND AS FAR AS, UM, THE REAR BEING, UM, A PROTECTED OR, OR AS FAR AS THE REAR NOT BEING A PROTECTED SIDE, UM, THAT IS TRUE IN MOST CASES.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE LOCATION OF THIS LOT, UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, THE WAY THIS LOT IS STRUCTURED.
UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU ENTER, UM, BE, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU ENTER, UH, 10 STREET WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR LOT, YOU'RE GONNA ALWAYS SEE PRETTY MUCH EVERY SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE REAR AS WELL, BUT THE MAIN THING IS THAT ATTACHED GARAGE.
AND, AND I'M ALSO OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
AND AS I, AS USUAL, YOU KNOW, WE COMMEND THAT YOUR LOVE AND DEDICATION TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ARE ALWAYS GIVING UP YOUR TIME TO HELP GUIDE ITS FUTURE.
UM, AND WE
THERE APPARENTLY IS NO REQUIREMENT WITHIN YOUR ORDINANCE, ACCORDING TO KATE THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
WE HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WAS BETTER IF THEY WERE UNATTACHED, BUT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CLIENT HAS A PERSONAL AND PRACTICAL REASON FOR REALLY REQUESTING THE, THIS GARAGE, WHICH IS UP TO HIM TO SHARE OR NOT WHEN WE ASK HIM ABOUT IT? WELL, AND, AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEN THE, THE QUESTION THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD OR ONE OF THE MEMBERS RAISE IS WHAT'S GONNA STOP SEVERAL OTHERS FROM COMING FORWARD AND SAYING THING.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS A NICE QUESTION.
BUT REMEMBER, THE WAY WE OPERATE HERE IS NO INDIVIDUAL DECISION SETS A PRECEDENT FOR ANY OTHER FUTURE DECISION.
IT MIGHT SET A PRECEDENT FOR TONS OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND SAYING, THAT GUY GOT A GARAGE.
SO I GET AN ATTACHED GARAGE, AND THEN WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT AGAIN TO THEM ABOUT HOW THERE'S NO PRECEDENT SET BY ONE APPROVAL BASED ON ONE PARTICULAR SITUATION.
SO WERE WE TO APPROVE THIS ATTACHED GARAGE, THAT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYBODY ELSE'S ODDS OF GETTING AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
SO NOW IT'S TIME FOR COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS OF EITHER OF OUR SPEAKERS THAT THEY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. JOHNSON.
COULD YOU PUT UP THE PICTURE ON THE SCREEN THAT SHOWS THE SITE PLAN OF THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE, ON THE STREET? MR. JOHNSON, WHAT IS THE TYPICAL DEPTH OF LOTS IN THIS DISTRICT? I GUESS WHAT I'M, I'M ASKING IS THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE, ON THE OTHER LOTS ON THE STREET SEEM TO BE A TYPICAL DEPTH.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS VERY UNUSUAL CORNER LOT, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
IS THE, THE LOTS OTHER THAN THE BIG CORNER LOT, ARE THOSE TYPICAL TO THE DISTRICT, THE SIZE AND CONFIGURATION? UH, YES.
UM, UM, THOSE LOTS ARE GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN MAYBE 55 BY A HUNDRED, UH, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND SO, UM, ON, ON ON THAT AND THAT SIDE OF 10TH STREET, I THINK THAT'S IN SOUTHWE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS THOSE HOUSES ON THAT'S
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SIDE ARE TYPICAL LOTS AND TYPICAL SIZES.MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE WHAT I CALL MAYBE A SHOTGUN ON STEROIDS.
AND WHAT MAKES IT PARTICULARLY DEEP IS THAT ATTACHED GARAGE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE A FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, UM, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, I THOUGHT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SINGLE STORY SHOTGUN.
IT LOOKS LIKE A TWO STORY IS MAYBE A STORY AND A HALF.
I GUESS IT'S THE QUESTION FOR THE A WHETHER THERE'S LIVING CARS.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WITH A SHOTGUN, THE DOOR IS ALWAYS IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, AND, AND YOU TYPICALLY HAVE ONE WINDOW ON EACH SIDE OF THE DOOR, WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE WINDOWS UP TOP ABOVE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ABOVE THE PORCH.
SO THE PLAN IS MORE SYMMETRICAL, THE FRONT SIDE SYMMETRICAL? YES, IT IS.
AND, AND I, I REMEMBER, UM, ENCOURAGING THIS APPLICANT TO, UM, THERE'S A HOUSE THAT'S ON NORTH STREET, UM, THAT IT, IT'S A TYPICAL SHOTGUN HOUSE.
AND I REMEMBER ENCOURAGING THIS APPLICANT TO GO LOOK AT THAT HOUSE, UM, TO GATHER INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT THE SHOTGUN SHOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR 10TH STREET.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ALSO WHILE I'M HERE.
UM, IS THERE LIVING SPACE UPSTAIRS OR IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO BE DEVELOPED INTO THE LIVING SPACE ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR THE, THE HALF STORY I SHOULD SAY? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HALF.
SO THERE IS LIKE A HALF STORY.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT THAT'S A, A MASSIVE LOT.
UM, I THINK IN CONVERSATIONS THE, THE STAFF MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT THERE MAY BE AN INTEREST IN REPLANTING THAT WHOLE BIG DOUBLE LOT INTO MORE LOTS.
IT, IT'S UNUSUAL THAT WE HAVE THIS BUILDING SNUGGLED UP TO THE REST OF THE BLOCK AND LEAVING A MASSIVE SITE ON THE REST OF THE, THAT STREET.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S YOUR FUTURE PLAN FOR THAT CORNER DOUBLE LOCK? WELL, RIGHT NOW, UH, DALLAS CITY, WHEN I DID THE PRELIMINARY REVIEWS, THEY SET THE SETBACK NEEDS TO MATCH THE, I GUESS THE, THE LEFT, LET'S CALL IT LEFT SETBACK OF THE ADJACENT HOUSE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ADJACENT HOUSE.
UM, BUT THE, THE, THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY, UM, PRECLUDE WHAT I'M DOING NOW FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF, WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THE, THE, THE PLAN WAS TO THEN, UH, REPL THE LOT AND THEN ALLOW SPACE FOR A DUPLEX ADJACENT TO IT.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN WE DO, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TENDING TO HAVE MORE OF THESE MASSIVE BUILDINGS, LIKE WE HAD IN SAY, THOMAS BEFORE THIS, UH, TOMMY PUT A GARAGE ON THE BACK.
THEY BECOME KIND OF A LITTLE FRONT FACADE WITH A BIG OLD THING IN THE BACK.
AND IT WORKS A LITTLE BETTER WHEN YOU HIDE IT BETWEEN TWO HOUSES.
BUT THIS SUPER SHOTGUN, IF YOU WILL, IS GONNA BE VERY, VERY VISIBLE COMING DOWN THE STREET FROM THE CORNER.
UM, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT MAYBE BETWEEN FENCING AND MAYBE SOME LANDSCAPING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REQUIRE TO, TO MAKE THAT LESS MASSIVE.
AND ALSO, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A CONCERN WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO MAY BE HANDICAPPED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AND THE ATTACHED GARAGE MAY BE IN COURT TO HIM, BUT IF THE, IF THE GARAGE MUST BE ATTACHED, MAY, MAYBE WE MAY DO AN ARCHITECTURAL TRICK OF DISJOINT IT FROM THE MASS OF BUILDING WITH A CONNECTOR SO THAT THE, SO THE GARAGE IS ATTACHED, BUT IN THE CENTER YOU COME THROUGH A HALLWAY TO GET TO THE HOUSE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP TO LESSEN THE MASS.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD STILL BE AN ATTACHED GARAGE, IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE A HOUSE WITH THE GARAGE BEHIND IT.
AND THAT MIGHT BE AN ARCHITECTURAL TRICK THAT EVERYONE CAN, WE CAN GET IN A, THE GARAGE AND HAVE IT ATTACHED.
BECAUSE MY BIG CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS A, A LITTLE HOUSE THAT GOES REALLY, REALLY DEEP.
SO WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE SIDE, IT'S GONNA LOOK MUCH MORE MASSIVE THAN ANYTHING THAT'S EVER BEEN IN, IN THIS DISTRICT BEFORE.
ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? UM, YES, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER RENO.
UM, SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE SIDE ELEVATION,
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TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IN PARTICULAR THE ENTRANCE INTO THE GARAGE.AND IT'S, UH, EFFECTIVELY AT THE SAME ELEVATION AS THE MAIN HOU OR AS THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
THERE'S NOT A DROP TO THAT PORTION.
SO CONSEQUENTLY THE DRIVEWAY COMING UP TO IT, WE'LL VIRTUALLY HAVE SOME SIDEWALLS ON IT BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A RAMP.
I MEAN, IS, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SO IT, THE, THE, THE, THE, I GUESS THE DRIVEWAY TO THE, UM, TO THE GARAGE IS NOT SHOWN.
AND BASICALLY IT WOULD JUST SLOPE UP AND THERE WOULD BE DIRT ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.
IT JUST BUILD IT UP WITH DIRT TO MATCH THE, TO GET THE SLOPE TO GET INTO THE GARAGE.
SO THEN THE SIDE ELEVATION WOULD HAVE, LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT TOWARD THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE HERE AND TOWARD THE BOTTOM, UM, THE SLOPE WOULD COME BACK DOWN TO NATURAL GRADE.
SO IT WOULD COME UP AND THEN, YEAH.
SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS ESSENTIALLY.
I SEE THE RED LINE, BUT THEN SOIL WOULD'VE TO DROP BACK DOWN TO NATURAL GRADE ONCE YOU'RE COMING FORWARD TOWARD THE FRONT OF THAT.
UM, YEAH, I HAD THE SAME CONCERN ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS MORE, MORE TYPICAL? WOULD THAT, THAT WOULD ALMOST BE A, THE SIZE OF VENT, UH, OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MAYBE HALF THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE DOUBLE GANGED WINDOW, UH, AGAIN, TO KEEP THE, THE OVERALL PROPORTION, UM, TOGETHER.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, TO REDUCING THE SCALE
AND THAT COLUMN AND THE SERIES OF COLUMNS IN THAT DIRECTION IS WHAT ALLOWS ME TO ESSENTIALLY MAKE THE ATTIC AVATAR, RIGHT? SO IF I PUT A, A FULL ON WINDOW HERE, IT, IT, IT, IT, I'LL HAVE TO MOVE THE COLUMNS, WHICH THEN MOVES, WHICH MEANS I'M NOT SUPPORTING THE ROOF AT THE RIDGE BEE, WHICH THEN MEANS I NEED TO PUT A TIE BEAM AT THE EAVE LEVEL, WHICH MEANS I HAVE A REGULAR CEILING.
UM, WHICH, UM, I, I, I, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO DO THAT 'CAUSE IT CHANGES THE WHOLE NATURE OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UM, JUST BASICALLY EVERYTHING IS, I DON'T KNOW,
UH, I, I'M SORRY, MAYBE I MISSPOKE.
WHAT I WAS PROPOSING WAS JUST A SMALLER SCALE, SMALLER, UM, INSTEAD OF THE, 'CAUSE THOSE LOOK TO BE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE ONES THAT ARE DOWNSTAIRS.
BUT CAN I KEEP IT DOUBLE GANGED ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE I NEED TO HIDE THAT? YEAH.
AS LONG AS THE, THE PROPORTION IS MAYBE HALF OF WHAT IT IS.
AND THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
OKAY, GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
UM, I, I THINK THAT THIS HOUSE COULD BE MORE SYMMETRICAL AND THAT TO ACHIEVE THAT LOAD ON THAT RIDGE BEAM, YOU COULD TRANSFER THAT LOAD DOWN THROUGH THE FRAMING SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A ENTRY DOOR THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOME TO HAVE A MORE, UM, KIND OF HISTORICALLY SHOTGUN AS ASPECT TO IT.
UM, AND THEN MY CONCERN IS AFTER LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, THE SLOPE OF THAT DRIVEWAY COMING BACK, UM, TOWARDS CLARITIN WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST NINE OR 10 FEET OF DROPDOWN, I THINK THAT GRADE IS GOING TO BE RATHER SIGNIFICANT TRYING TO HAVE REAR ENTRY TO A BACK GARAGE.
UM, AND I, I THINK THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT THE ATTACHED GARAGE IN THE BACK OF THE HOME.
I THINK THAT THE ACCESS FROM THAT CLAREDON STREET UP TO THAT REAR GARAGE IS GOING TO BE A LARGER ISSUE THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, RETAINING WALLS THAT, THAT AREN'T BEING SHOWN.
UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO RESPOND OR? SURE.
I, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY, I GUESS, LET ME ASK THIS.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR SUGGESTION FOR SUPPORTING THE RIDGE? SO, SO THAT,
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THAT, THAT RIDGE COULD STILL BE LOCATED AT THE APEX OF THAT GABLE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TRANSFERS DOWN, YOU CAN FRAME WITHIN THOSE FRONT WALLS TO TRANSFER AROUND THAT WINDOW TO COME DOWN, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PERFECT COLUMN RIGHT UNDERNEATH, UM, THAT ACTUAL RIDGE BEAM GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.THAT'S WHY THEY MAKE TRANSFERS.
UM, AND, AND THEN THE, UH, IT'S GONNA BE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE THE, THE, THE ROOM FOR THE BEDROOM, THE WALL FOR THE BEDROOM IS ALSO RIGHT HERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S THERE, THE, THE BEDROOM IS RIGHT HERE, SO I'D HAVE TO MOVE THIS WALL AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THE BEAM THAT'S HERE, THE WALL IS, IS RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT THAT LOOKS TO MOVE EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, I CAN ATTEMPT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE SUCCESSFUL.
AS FOR THE, THE, THE SLOPE AT THE BACK HERE.
SO THE, THE DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY HAS TO CURVE A LITTLE BIT.
IT WON'T BE STRAIGHT, BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING A PROBLEM SLOPING FROM THIS LOCATION TO THE STREET.
IT, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UH, BECAUSE THE WHOLE HOUSE IS RAISED TWO FEET.
SO A LOT OF THAT IS ME ADDING DIRT AND THEN GRADING THE DIRT BESIDE IT AND NOT NECESSARILY DIGGING INTO THE GROUND TO BUILD THE DRIVEWAY.
I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT ANY CURB CUT THAT YOU MAKE FROM CLARITIN AT A GRADE THAT IS GOING TO BE EASY FOR A CAR TO TRANSITION UP TO THE GRADE THAT IS ON SOUTH CLIFF STREET.
IF YOU'RE PROJECTING A 5%, 10% SLOPE MM-HMM
NOW I UNDERSTAND ONCE YOU GET UP TO THE RED OF NORTH CLIFF STREET, THAT YOU WOULD BE AT THAT GRAY AND YOU WOULDN'T NEED A RETAINING WALL.
BUT ONCE YOU COME UP OFF THAT CURB CUT OF CLARITIN, THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE.
I I, I KNOW IT'S SLIGHTLY HIGHER.
UM, BUT PERHAPS I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO, UM, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED RIGHT THERE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE TWO FEET.
UM, IF I COULD, UM, INTERJECT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE ISSUE OF THE HOUSE, DO THEY ADDRESS IT BEING TWO FEET? 'CAUSE WE COULD, I MEAN, COULD THE HOUSE BE ANY LOWER TO HELP SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? ARE THEY USUALLY TWO FEET AND 10TH STREET? IT COULD BE LOWER.
I MEAN, MR. TAYLOR, UM, I PERHAPS Y'ALL COULD THINK OF THAT TOO.
I THINK THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE OF WHERE IT IS, IT, IT COULD BE ADJUSTED, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE PROPOSING PUTTING A GARAGE AS ATTACHED THAT HAS REAR ACCESS, IT'S GOING SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, CHANGE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, TRYING TO ACCESS THAT GARAGE FROM CLARATIN VERSUS TRYING TO ACCESS IT FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, CLIFF STREET JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADES ON CLARET AND THAT THAT ARE THERE.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING PLACING THE GARAGE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE? I'M SUGGEST, I'M SUGGESTING THAT HE'S GONNA PROPOSE A GARAGE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE HOME AND THE REAR OF THE HOME, THAT HE WOULD NEED TO ACCURATELY SHOW WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ACCESS THAT GARAGE FROM CLA BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT, IT'S NOT BEING SHOWN.
I THINK IT'S GREATLY GOING TO AFFECT, UM, HOW THIS HOUSE SITS ON THIS, THIS LOT AND HOW IT PERFORMS WITH ALL, WITH THAT FLAT WORK.
AND THEN MAYBE THAT WILL LEAD TO THE REPOSITIONING OR THE DETACHMENT OF THAT GARAGE.
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NOT FULLY FOLLOWING.SO ARE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IT MAY BE BETTER TO MOVE THE GARAGE UP AND TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE? 'CAUSE I, I ASSUME SINCE THE PARENTING SIDE IS NOT ACTUALLY PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE GARAGE THERE AS OPPOSED TO SEEING IT ADJACENT TO IT LIKE IT IS HERE.
NO, THE, THE DISTRICT BOUNDARY LINES GO TO CLARATON.
WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE POSITION THAT YOU HAVE THE GARAGE RIGHT NOW ON THAT HOME UHHUH GONNA ACCESS THAT GARAGE IS GOING TO AFFECT THE REST OF THAT SITE.
AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SHOWN BY HOW YOU ACCESS THAT HOME.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS YOU PERCEIVE IT WITH THAT SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH IN MY OPINION, BUT OKAY.
HAVE YOU GUYS GOT A TOPOGRAPHY SURVEY FOR THE SITE? I HAVE NOT.
HAVE YOU CALCULATED THE GRADE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHERE THE GARAGE SITS IN CLARATON? I HAVE NOT.
SO HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT GRADE CHANGE IS? I DO NOT KNOW THE EXACT GRADE CHANGE, BUT I HAVE ABOUT SIX YEARS OF TRAINING AS A CIVIL ENGINEER.
SO I UNDERSTAND CIVIL ENGINEERING CONCEPTS.
WELL I I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE DRIVEWAY AS YOU PROPOSE IT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, ARE IS YOUR LARGER CONCERN THAT WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DRIVEWAY WILL LOOK LIKE BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE DETAILS ABOUT THE SLOPE AND EVERYTHING ELSE? OR YOU'RE AFRAID IT'S GONNA BE TOO VISIBLE? MY, MY CONCERN IS IT'S SLOPE.
MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT I UNDERSTAND HE WANTS TO HAVE A GARAGE, WHETHER IT'S ATTACHED OR DETACHED.
I FEEL LIKE WITH THE DRIVEWAY TO ACCESS THAT GARAGE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT NOT ONLY THE SITE, BUT HOW THAT HOUSE SITS ON THE, THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THAT FROM CLARITIN AND FROM CLIFF.
AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S A SIMPLE SLOPE OVER TO CLARITIN, AS, AS IT'S OKAY.
SO, SO FURTHER INFORMATION FOR, FOR OUR APPLICANT SO THAT HE COULD PROPERLY DESIGN IT.
HE, HE MIGHT FIND OUT, UM, SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T REALIZE.
AND SO, UM, WITH THIS ISSUE HAVING BEEN BROUGHT UP, I AM ABSOLUTELY NOT SAYING WHAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO.
BUT IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THE HOUSE AS IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, WE MIGHT NOT APPROVE THE DRIVEWAY IT HAS BEEN DRAWN AND AS THAT, THAT BE RESUBMITTED AT ANOTHER TIME AND IT WOULD BE REAL BAD TO BUILD THE HOUSE AND THEN DISCOVER THAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO DO.
SO I GUESS AS A CIVIL ENGINEER, MR. GRANT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE WAITING FOR, FOR YOUR, UM, YOUR SURVEY RESULTS THAT SHOW YOU WHAT THE SLOPE ISSUES YOU'RE DEALING WITH THERE AND THEN YOU WILL DESIGN AND KEEPING WITH THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS, RIGHT? YES.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE ME TO SHOW BECAUSE I, I THINK WE WANNA KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF HOW STEEPLY A SLOPE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACHIEVE AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
'CAUSE IF IT TURNED OUT THAT CLARITIN KIND OF DROPS DOWN EVEN FURTHER AND YOU'VE GOT LIKE A FOUR FOOT TALL RAMP, I SUPPOSE THAT THAT WOULD BE QUITE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN A TWO FOOT TALL RAMP.
SO WE WOULD FIND OUT, ONCE YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ALSO WANNA KNOW AHEAD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GONNA WORK OUT THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE LOOKED MORE CLOSELY, IF THIS IS THIS CLATON I'M SEEING NOW YEAH, THIS IS, IT HAS ITS OWN LITTLE SELF THERE.
IT, IT SORT OF GOES DOWN TOWARDS THE STREET, SO RIGHT.
SO WE, WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THE DETAILS OF A, OF THE DRIVEWAY RAMP BEFORE WE COULD REALLY SAY IF THE DRIVEWAY WAS IN KEEPING WITH THE ORDINANCE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT.
SO, UM, AND, AND YOU WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.
SO, SO THAT IS A VALID ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN RAISED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OF, OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH EITHER OF OUR SPEAKERS, IF THAT'S ALL THE ISSUES WE HAVE? UM, YES.
KATE, KATE SINGLETON WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THE ORDINANCE ON A FEW THINGS.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD FOR US TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, JUST HEIGHT THAT IS ALLOWED IS 36 FEET.
UM, FRONT AND SIDES ARE THE PROTECTED SIDES FOR THE, UM, FOR THE BUILDINGS AND HOUSES.
I, I WANTED TO SAY, I ASSUME THAT THE ORDINANCE HAS NOTHING TO SAY
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ABOUT WHEN THE REAR IS ALSO UP FRONT ON ANOTHER STREET.'CAUSE NO ONE THOUGHT OF THAT UNTIL THIS CAME UP.
WELL, IT, WE HAVE ODD LOTS IN OTHER DISTRICTS AND, AND WE DO DEFINE, YOU KNOW, A FRONT IS A FRONT AND THE SIDES ARE THE SIDES.
THE BUILDING HAS TO HAVE A REAR TO IT.
AND SO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE REAR OF THIS BUILDING FACES ONTO CLARENDON AND THE FRONT FACES ONTO CLIFF.
SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY WELL DEFINED THERE.
SO WE ARE EXPECTED TO TREAT THE REAR OF THIS BUILDING ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, ORDINANCES, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REARS OF BUILDING, EVEN IF THIS ONE'S REALLY VISIBLE
JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, JUST SAYING, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SPEAKS TO MASSING? UM, I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, THIS PROPOSAL OF THIS BUILDING IS VERY LONG.
NO BUMP OUTS, NO SHADOW LINES.
IT, WE KEEP ON REFERRING IT TO AS A SHOTGUN HOUSE OR SHOTGUN ON STEROIDS, WHATEVER, BUT IT'S NOT AT ALL SHOTGUN HOUSES ARE USUALLY JUST LIKE 12 FOOT, 13, 14 FOOT AT THE MOST ROOMS. AND THEY CAN BE ASYMMETRICAL BECAUSE YOU TYPICALLY ON A CHAKRA HOUSE WOULD HAVE A DOOR ON ONE SIDE AND A WINDOW ON THE OTHER.
BUT, UH, THIS, THE LENGTH OF THIS, THE, THE, THAT THAT WHOLE SIDE FACADE JUST IS JUST, UM, KIND OF MASSIVE.
UH, AND THERE'S ANYTHING TO THE ORDINANCE THAT SPEAKS OF SCALE ON, ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S, UM, A CONCERN.
FORM MATERIALS, GENERAL EXTERIOR APPEARANCE, COLOR DETAILS, AND ANY OF ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, UH, IT'S BASICALLY IT SAYS THAT IT MUST BE APPROPRIATE MASSING ROOF FORM, SHAPE MATERIALS, DETAILING COLOR AND HAVE FENESTRATION PATTERNS AND SOLID DEVOID RA RATIOS THAT ARE TYPICAL OF, UH, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND IS THIS MASSING THAT WE'RE BEING SHOWN INCLUDED WITH THE GARAGE ATTACHED TO IT? IS THAT THAT STAFF'S, UH, THOUGHT THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? OR IS IT, IS THIS AN ODDITY THAT'S BASICALLY GONNA HAVE A QUOTE UNQUOTE EXCEPTION ON THE MASSING OF, OF BEING APPROPRIATE TO THE NETWORK? WELL, THE HEIGHT IS APPROPRIATE, THE LENGTH WITH THE ATTACHED GARAGE, IT IS AN EXTENSION IN TERMS OF IT'S LONGER THAN I WOULD ANTICIPATE.
UH, COMMISSIONER PROSI, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, STAFF ON THE, UM, SITE.
I GUESS IT'S A SITE PLAN DRAWING.
IT DOES HAVE, LET'S SEE, SORRY, IT'S A DRAWING A 1 0 2.
UM, THERE'S A FENCE, UH, LABELED ON THERE.
PROVIDE SIX FOOT HIGH, BOTH PRIVACY WOOD FENCE AND SIX FOOT HIGH GATE.
THAT IS NOT, THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE.
ONCE HE GETS THE HOUSE APPROVED, THEN HE COULD COME BACK WITH A SEPARATE REQUEST FOR A SIX FOOT HIGH BOARD ON BOARD FENCE AROUND THE REAR.
SO THAT WILL ALSO ADD TO THE
SO THAT WAS QUITE A LARGE LONG FACADE.
I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
I, I WANTED TO ASK THE, UH, A CLARIFYING QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT EARLIER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE GARAGE MAKING THIS LOOK SO LONG.
AND I REALLY LIKE SOMEONE TRYING TO MAKE ANY SORT OF SHOTGUN HOUSE IN 10TH STREET 'CAUSE NO ONE EVER WANTS TO, BUT THIS IS A VERY LARGE SHOTGUN HOUSE EARLIER.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I THINK IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS YOU, YOU MAKE IT FALSELY NOT ATTACHED.
THAT IS SHOW SOME, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S OWN LITTLE BUILDING WITH A CONNECTOR TO THE HOUSE.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU ADDRESSED WHETHER THAT SOUNDED TO YOU LIKE AN, AN A POSSIBLE IDEA, MR. GRANT.
UM, IT, IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING, IT'S NOT MY MY FIRST CHOICE.
UM, SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOU'D CREATE A SEPARATE STRUCTURE HERE AND THEN YOU'D HAVE LIKE A LITTLE BREEZEWAY TO THE, TO THE ACTUAL HOUSE.
THAT, THAT IS ONE WAY, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE WHAT WE MORE CALL A HYPHEN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST SOME INDICATION THAT IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME DIMENSIONS
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AS THE HOUSE.SO IT READS LIKE A SEPARATE BUILDING, BUT THE, THE CONNECTION COULD STILL BE ENCLO AND PERHAPS THAT WOULD ALLOW A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PLACEMENT OR ORIENTATION OF THE GARAGE IN A WAY THAT MIGHT HELP ADDRESS THE DRIVEWAY.
NOT THAT I'M GONNA DESIGN THAT OR ANYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO RIGHT NOW, JUST TO BE CONSIDERING THAT IT MIGHT SOLVE TWO PROBLEMS AT ONCE BY DIFFERENT, BY MAKING THE BUILDING LOOK LESS LONG AND PERHAPS ADJUSTING THE GARAGE TO WHERE THE DRIVEWAY COULD BE DONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO AS YOU GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SLOPE AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT YOUR DRIVEWAY, PERHAPS YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT ABOUT DOING THAT.
I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE DONE WITH OUR QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE A MOTION.
ON CA 2 3 4 DASH 28 RD 2 34 SOUTH CLIFF STREET CERTIFICATE FOR PROPERTY TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
I MAY I MOVE TO FILE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE GARAGE BE DETACHED FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO RECTIFY THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT ISSUE AND THE MASSIVE SIDE FACADE.
THE GARAGE CAN BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE WITH A HALLWAY OR LOGIA ALSO THAT THE SECOND FLOOR FRONT WINDOW MUST BE REDUCED AS IN NANCY MCCOY'S DESIGN THAT WAS USED AS A MODEL.
IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN WANTING TO THE FACADE TO BE IC SIDE TO BE SYMMETRICAL, I CAN ADD THAT, BUT I'M GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING WANTS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I WILL BE TO ENTERTAIN THAT.
WAS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES, MA'AM.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS SECONDED.
UM, SO NOW IS WHEN WE DISCUSS AMONG OURSELVES, I I WILL SAY THAT, UM, AT WHILE IT WAS AN OPTION TO HAVE THE, UM, THE SEMI-DETACHED GARAGE, I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE JUST SAYING DO IT THAT WAY WITHOUT HAVING SEEN THE DETAILS AND APPROVING THAT BECAUSE WE, A LOT OF WAYS YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT, UH, WOULD BE GREAT OR NOT SO GREAT.
SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HAVING A MOTION THAT THAT DIRECT SOME SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING THAT BIG WITHOUT US HAVING SPECIFICS AND WE CANNOT VERBALIZE THOSE SPECIFICS ENOUGH TO GET WHAT WE WANT.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I ECHO THAT OPINION.
I THINK THAT LEAVES THINGS FAR TOO OPEN-ENDED, UM, SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION AND UM, SUBJECT TO PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, OPINION.
UM, WITHOUT SEEING THAT IN FRONT OF US AND SEEING ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE HOUSE ITSELF AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO THESE BUILDINGS, TO THE LOT I WOULDN'T BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT.
COULD I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF I WOULD MAKE A NOTE STATING THAT THE APPLICANT RESUBMIT THE APPLICATION WITH THAT CANNOT
I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT I WANT OR MY BELIEF, THE STANDARD WAY WOULD BE TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND THEN WE WOULD SEND OFF THE APPLICANT WITH THE, UM, ENCOURAGEMENT THAT THEY WOULD, WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO, AND TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION OF ALL THE THINGS WE'VE SAID HERE AND COME BACK TO US WITH SOMETHING THAT ANSWERS THOSE.
THAT'S WHAT WE USUALLY DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS.
HOW DO WE WITHDRAW THE MOTION? DO I MAKE THAT MOTION TO WITHDRAW? JUST SOMEBODY ELSE? I MOVE TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION SECOND.
YEAH, I'M READY TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
CA 2 34 DASH 28 RD 2 34 SOUTH CLEAR STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT, A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN STRUCTURE.
I MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORICAL OVERLY DISTRICT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS AND CONDITIONS IF I MAY.
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BUT CAN I, OKAY, I SECOND IT.THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALRIGHT, NOW CAN I MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON MY MOTION? YES, WE CAN ALL DO THAT.
SO I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, WHAT COMMENTS WOULD ANY OF US LIKE TO MAKE ON THIS MOTION? WELL, WELL LEMME START WITH THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD ORIGINALLY, I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DENIAL OF, OR WHATEVER MY COMMENT IS.
THE GARAGE SHOULD BE DETACHED TO RECTIFY THE FOUNDATION ISSUE AND THE MASSIVE SIDE FACADE, THE GARAGE CAN BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE WITH A HALLWAY OR LOJA.
THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOW, SECOND FLOOR FRONT WINDOW MUST BE REDUCED IN SIZE AS NANCY MCCOY'S ORIGINAL DESIGN.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? THEY WOULD, COMMISSIONER BERG, UM, AS A PLANNER WHO REVIEWS PERMITS, THAT WOULD BE CONFUSING.
A HALLWAY PRESUMES THAT THERE'S AN ENCLOSED AREA THAT'S PERHAPS EVEN AIR CONDITIONED IF A HALLWAY IS ENCLOSED, THAT WOULD BE AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE.
SO CAN WE CLARIFY WHAT THAT IS? IS IT, WHEN WE SAY DETACHED, IS IT AN DETACHED AND THERE'S AN OPEN AIR BREEZEWAY OF SOME KIND? 'CAUSE BREEZEWAY IS DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE I'M READING HERE.
AND SO WE COULD USE THAT AS A, AS THE TERM.
BUT IF IT'S AN ENCLOSED HALLWAY TO ME THAT'S ATTACHED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION IS, BUT IN MY LINE OF WORK THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED.
SO APPEARANCE OF DETACHED, IF IT HAD SOME SORT OF ENCLOSED, AND I, I, I MENTIONED THE ENCLOSED PART ONLY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT.
AND, AND AGAIN, MY CONCERNS AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S A HANDICAP ISSUE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT PERSON CAN GO FROM ONE STRUCTURE TO ANOTHER.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND ATTACHED AND THE DETACH, BUT THE CONCEPT IS I WANT IT TO BE A, A SEPARATE STRUCTURE AND IF IT HAS A HALLWAY BETWEEN IT, THAT IS OKAY.
HYPHEN AND THAT'S ALSO WHAT I, WHAT I WANNA CLARIFY THE APPEARANCE OF THE DETACHED IS THAT'S WHAT I WAS WAITING FOR.
THAT THAT IS ONE THING WE'RE CONSIDERING WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POSSIBLE OPTIONS, BUT, BUT IF I MAY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS HAVE TWO STRUCTURES.
IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A MASSIVE HALLWAY BETWEEN, WHICH IS NOT MY INTENTION.
WELL, WE, WE ARE ASKING APPARENTLY FOR RESUBMITTAL.
AND SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS WHAT THE DESIGN THAT ACTUALLY COMES THROUGH COMMISSIONER PREZI WOULD ATTACHED WITH A HYPHEN WORK.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR TERMS. COMMISSIONER C*****G, UH, YOU COULD CERTAINLY HAVE A DIFFERENT ROOF THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MORE OF A FLAT ROOF.
IT COULD BE ALL CONDITIONED IN FLAT SPACE AND YOU COULD DROP DOWN THE ROOF.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THIS.
YOU'RE GONNA BE EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITIES WITH YOUR STAFF, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW FOR CERTAIN YOU'RE PROBABLY MAKING SURE THERE'S NOT A CONTINUATION OF THE FACADE ALL THE WAY DOWN AND A CONTINUATION OF THE ROOF ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A BREAKUP OF SOME SORT.
THE BREEZEWAY CONDITIONS ENCLOSURE COULD BE A BUMP IN, IT COULD HAVE A MORE OF A FLAT ROOF.
THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES.
AND YOU GOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DESIGN FROM THE HORSESHOE HERE, SO YOU'LL YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO DO ALL THAT.
BUT I THINK, I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE TWO SEPARATE STRUCTURES LIKE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON SAID, UH, IN ANY KIND OF CAPACITY THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE I WILL BE SUPPORTING DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE SO WE CAN GET THOSE WORKED ON AND WORKED OUT.
'CAUSE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW TO THE BUILDING AND THE MASS OF THE FACADE AND THE MASS OF THE BUILDING AND THE MASS OF THE ROOF LINE TO ME JUST, IT, IT DOESN'T SPEAK HOUSE ANYMORE.
IT SPEAKS LIKE IT'S A MEETING HALL.
UH, AND I THINK WE'VE MOVED ON FROM THAT BECAUSE OF THE SHEER SPACE ON, ON SIZE OF THIS.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE DENIAL, DENIAL OF PREJUDICE, BUT I'M ALSO VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE APPLICANT AND THE WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, WHAT WE'VE SPOKE HERE TODAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO WISH TO COMMENT UPON THIS BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE A AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALL RIGHT, THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
MR. GRANT, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? I CAN'T SEE YOU ANYMORE, BUT, OKAY.
WELL, MR. GRANT, WHAT I, WHAT I NEED TO TELL YOU IS THAT, UM, IF IT SOUNDED LIKE WE WERE VERY CRITICAL, WE'RE SO GOOD AT THAT, BUT WHAT WE MEANT WAS TO BE IN A FRIENDLY WAY, HELPING YOU TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AND ALSO MEETS YOUR NEEDS.
UH, WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL LISTEN TO OUR COMMENTS, WORK WITH DR. DUNN, WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, EVEN IF WE GOT CONFUSED OURSELVES.
BUT SHE, SHE'S GOT IT ALL WRITTEN DOWN AND SHE CAN HELP YOU.
WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU COME BACK WITH THIS PLAN, SLIGHTLY REVISED, REVISED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND THEN TO SEE YOU SUCCESSFULLY GO ON TO BUILD YOUR HOME.
YOU DO, HOWEVER, HAVE THE OPTION, SINCE THIS WAS A DENIAL TO GO TO CPC,
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THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A FEE AND APPEAL IT.BUT THE BASIS OF THEIR APPEAL WOULD BE WHETHER WE WERE, UM, VERY WRONG IN OUR JUDGMENT.
SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT HARD, WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT PAID FOR APPEAL WOULD SUCCEED OR NOT, WHEN WE WOULD REALLY, REALLY SINCERELY AND GENUINELY LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME BACK AND TALK TO US AGAIN ABOUT HOW I MADE THIS FIT.
SO I HOPE WE SEE YOU BACK AGAIN.
UM, MR. GIBSON
THE MICROPHONE IS COMMISSIONER WADE GIBSON STILL ON THE LINE AND WE JUST CAN'T FIND HIM ON OUR SCREEN OR IS HE NOT? CAN YOU SPEAK UP MR. GIBSON? UH, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY WHAT WE DO ABOUT REGISTER AND MR. GIBSON'S VOTES WHEN WE'RE UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIM.
ALL RIGHT, SO, UH, THE RULING OF OUR ATTORNEY IS FOLLOWING THE RULES.
IF MR. GIBSON COMES BACK, THEN WE WILL ASK HIM FOR THE RECORD FOR HIS VOTE ON THE, UM, VOTES THAT HE MISSED.
MEANTIME WE MOVE ON TO TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS DEATH
US OUTSIDERS ARE STILL HAVING TROUBLE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D THREE ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SO IS LOCATED AT 28 10 DEATH STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 23 4 DASH 1 29 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 26 20 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE TWO PART TAPERED BOX COLUMNS, SOLID WOOD TOP MASONRY BOTTOM.
THAT BASE PART OF TOP PART OF PORCH COLUMNS WILL BE A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 10 INCHES THAT A WINDOW BE ADDED TO RIGHT REAR ELEVATION, THAT THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AT THE EAVES EXTEND AT LEAST 16 INCHES BEYOND THE FREEZE BOARD.
THAT'S AND THAT FOUNDATION HEIGHT BE A MINIMUM OF 15 INCHES AND A MAXIMUM OF 18 INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
AND THAT SIDEWALK STEPS AND DRIVEWAY BE A BRUSH FINISH.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 PERTAINING TO BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.2, 9.3, 9.7, 9.9 AND NINE POINT 11 SUBDIVISION A UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
AND THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THERE WAS NO QUORUM COMMENTS, ONLY SUPPORTIVE RESEARCH, EXTERIOR LIGHTING APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS JOSEPH RAY WHO HAS HEARD US TALK SO MUCH.
HE KNOWS THE DRILL NOW NAME AND ADDRESS
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AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY.ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE AN INITIAL THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR, UM, YOUR VIEWS REGARDING THIS, THIS APPLICATION AND ELAINE WILL BE TIME, THE SPEAKER'S MIC IS NOT ON.
JUST WANNA SAY, UM, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THE LOTS, UM, I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS, UH, ANY HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
SO, AND I THOUGHT I DID AN EXTENSIVE RESEARCH.
I WENT DOWN TO ZONING TWICE AND THEY JUST TOLD ME IT WAS PD 5 95.
UM, I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH, UM, THAT PARTICULAR ZONING 'CAUSE I, I BUILT A HOME AROUND THE CORNER FROM THERE.
UM, IT WAS MY ARCHITECT THAT ACTUALLY CAUGHT THAT IT HAD A HISTORICAL TIE, SO GO BACK TO ZONING AND THAT'S WHEN THEY TOLD ME IT HAD A HISTORICAL OVERLAY AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS.
SO I HAD TO GO OVER TO
UM, AND DR. DUNN I THINK WAS ON VACATION AT THE TIME.
SO I MET WITH SOMEONE ELSE AND SHE SAID, YEAH, WE DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING AND IT JUST, WE KIND OF PUT IT ON TOP.
I SAID, OH, OKAY, WELL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO I KIND OF GOT NERVOUS 'CAUSE I DID HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH, UM, HISTORICAL DISTRICT DEALING WITH FORT WORTH.
UM, AND I KNOW IT WAS, MAN, IT WAS A LOT.
SO, UM, GOT A CHANCE TO, UH, CONNECT WITH DR. DUNN AND SHE HAS BEEN, UM, EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
SO THE ORIGINAL HOUSES WE WERE GOING TO BUILD, OBVIOUSLY I HAD TO SCRAP THAT IDEA.
SO I THINK WE'VE MADE, I MEAN, PROBABLY SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT CHANGES TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
SO, UM, EXCITED AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS.
ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT FROM COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONERS AT HOME.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, UM, A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
UM, I KNOW THAT IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THERE ARE, UM, A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS, BUT ONE THAT WOULD HELP I BELIEVE ON THE COM ON THE COLUMN PROPORTIONS IN PARTICULAR IS THAT, UM, THE BRICK PORTION, IF IT WAS FROM THE FLOOR LINE, UH, AND IT TOOK UP BASICALLY ONE THIRD OF THE TOTAL COLUMN HEIGHT, THAT THOSE PROPORTIONS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE ACHIEVABLE.
UM, AND THEN IN THE BRIEFING, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE PLACEMENT OF THE, THE, THE FURTHEST MOST, UM, BRACKETS.
UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LINING UP ABOVE THE, OR IN LINE WITH THE COLUMN AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY OVERLAPPING THE COLUMN.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IS THAT THOSE BRACKETS BE ELIMINATED AND THE TWO BRACKETS THAT ARE, UM, HALFWAY DOWN THE SLOPE, THOSE COULD GET MOVED OUT FURTHER, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE ONES AT THE FAR END.
UH, AND THAT MAY HELP YOU WITH THE, WITH THE PROPORTIONS.
UM, ANYWAY, UH, MY QUESTION THEN IS, IS WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO, UH, TO SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS OR ALL OF THE SUGGESTIONS? YEAH, I WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A MINOR CHANGE, SO OBVIOUSLY I WOULD GO BACK TO THE ARCHITECT AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURALLY, UM, THAT WORKS.
UM, WHICH I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT HAPPENING.
SO YEAH, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, CAN YOU OR, AND OR DR. DUNN HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CONCERNS ON THE LIGHTING, EXTERIOR LIGHTING? WE HADN'T, I THINK WE HADN'T CHOSE THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
IT'S ON THE, UH, IT'S THE ONES DEPICTED IN FRONT TODAY.
I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING TESTED AND SO BEFORE TOO LONG YOU'D BE ABLE TO SAY YOU HAVE HISTORIC DISTRICT BUILDING EXPERIENCE IN TWO DIFFERENT CITIES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAD AN ISSUE ABOUT THE, THE FRONT WINDOWS AND MAKING SURE THEY MATCH.
WAS THAT ON THE OTHER ONE? YEAH.
WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTIONS, SO NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I GET A SECOND QUESTION? YES.
I CAN'T RECALL IF THIS WAS THE SUBMISSION OR THE ONE NEXT, UH, FOLLOWING THIS ONE, BUT THE BRACKETS WERE TWO DIFFERENT SIZES FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.
UM, I WAS HOPING THAT THOSE COULD BOTH BE THE SAME SIZE.
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AGAIN, I, I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH THE ARCHITECT AND IF YOU KNOW THAT WORKS THEN YEAH, I WOULD NO ISSUE THERE.IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE PLANS A MINUTE.
UM, SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FRONT.
THE FRONT WINDOWS ON THE PLAN, IT SHOWS THAT ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS IS NOT GANGED AND THE OTHER ONE IS GANGED, BUT ON THE PLAN THAT BOTH SHOWS THEM GANGS, I MEAN ON THE ELEVATION.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID, AND YOU ALL SAID I WAS WRONG.
I SAID WASN'T THERE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOW? I HAVE A QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WINDOW, PROBABLY A TYPO.
UM, WE'VE CHANGED THESE PLANS NUMEROUS TIMES.
SO I'M SURE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE ELEVATION AND THAT THEY WOULD BE MATCHING OBJECTIVES.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS TO YOU HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT THE YEAH, YEAH.
I HAD A QUESTION ON, IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN BRIEFING, UM, AND I, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT IF COMMISSIONER RENO HAD MENTIONED THE OT BRICK ON THE COLUMNS, UH, AND HAVING A DESIRE OF POSSIBLY DOING WHAT'S MORE TYPICAL, UH, CASTSTONE THERE.
AND I, I THINK, UM, DR. DUNN SAID THAT THE, THE ROLL UP THAT, THAT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YEAH, IT'S MORE CONSISTENT IN THAT.
YEAH, WE DISCUSSED, ARE THOSE ALL THE QUESTIONS THEN? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES.
UM, DISCUSSION ITEM THREE, UH, ITEM CA 2 3 4 DASH 1 29 RD.
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 28 10 BATH STREET THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION, UM, THE CONDITION STATED IN THE, IN THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT WITH, UM, TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE BRICK PORTION OF THE COLUMNS, THE, UM, ONE THIRD, UH, ABOVE THE, THE, UH, THE FLOOR OF THE PORCH, UM, AND ONE THIRD OF THE ENTIRE HEIGHT OF THE COLUMN.
AND THAT THE TWO OUTSIDE BRACKETS THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THE COLUMNS, UH, BE OMITTED.
AND THE, UH, THE OTHER THREE, UH, BRACKETS ARE THREE PROPORTIONATE.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION RELATED TO THIS? UM, WELL, ANY ASPECT OF THIS, BUT THIS MOTION, SO WE'RE READY TO VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AS YOU MOVE TOWARDS COMPLETING THIS PROJECT, AND I GUESS YOU'LL BE STAYING AROUND SINCE YOU'RE THE NEXT ONE TOO, AREN'T YOU? YES.
COMMISSIONER GIBSON HAS RETURNED.
COMMISSIONER GIBSON, ARE YOU THERE? I AM.
WE, WE DISCOVERED, UM, YOU, YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THE LAST VOTE, BUT APPARENTLY YOU HAVE TO TELL US HOW YOU WOULD'VE VOTED
SO, WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED IN FAVOR OF THAT
SO THAT WOULD KEEP IT UNANIMOUS AS IT WAS.
TELL US NEXT TIME WHEN YOU LEAVE, BECAUSE
I HAVE A, I HAVE A, A GI ILLNESS, SO I PERIODICALLY HAVE TO, UH, RUN TO THE BATHROOM.
AND I'M SURE YOU'RE SORRY FOR IT TO BE TRUE
YES, BUT I'LL, I, NEXT TIME I WILL, UH, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
JUST YELL ARG NEXT TIME AND LEAVE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 15 DEATH STREET AND THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH THREE
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RD.THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 12 26 20 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE TWO PART TAPERED BOX COLUMNS, SOLID WOOD TOP MASONRY BOTTOM.
THE BASE BASE OF TOP PART OF PORCH COLUMNS BE A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 10 INCHES THAT A WINDOW BE ADDED TO LEFT REAR ELEVATION.
AND THAT THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AT THE EAVES EXTEND AT LEAST 16 INCHES BEYOND THE FREEZE BOARD, THAT A PAIRED WINDOW BE ADDED TO THE LEFT FRONT ELEVATION AND THAT SIDEWALKS STEPS AND DRIVEWAY BE OF BRUSH FINISHED.
CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 PERTAINING TO BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.2, 9.3, 9.7, 9.9, AND NINE 11 SUBDIVISION A UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
AND THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, THERE WAS NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTIVE REMOVE REAR MUDROOM WINDOW.
IT IS TOO SMALL AND INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE DESIGN.
ALRIGHT, MR. RAY, I, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY WHO YOU ARE AND SWEAR YOURSELF IN AGAIN.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THIS ONE? AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD OUR BRIEFING AND OUR CONCERNS.
IF, IF YOU DID THEN YEAH, WE, UH, FOLLOWED THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT REMOVE THE, MY MEMORY'S NOT THAT CLEAR.
UM, SO, SO TELL US WHAT YOU, YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS.
UM, I THINK EVERYBODY APPROVE OF DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS? UH, GO AHEAD.
IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE, YOU DID REMOVE THAT, THAT WINDOW I GUESS WAS, THAT WAS IN THE UTILITY ROOM, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT IS IN THE PACKET THAT WAS BEFORE IT WAS REMOVED? IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT NEEDS A WINDOW THERE
UH, POSSIBLY DEPENDING ON WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
UH, IT'S JUST THAT WHOLE BACKSIDE.
I WAS GONNA SUGGEST YOU PUT A WINDOW OVER THERE TO TRY TO HELP BALANCE THE FENESTRATIONS OPENINGS OUT OF THE WINDOWS THERE.
AND IF THERE IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT FOR YOUR DILIGENCE AND HARD WORK ON ALL THIS.
UM, LET'S, MIGHT BE HERE, WE CAN GO TO A DIFFERENT QUESTION IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS.
I JUST WAS, THAT JUST KIND OF POPPED OUT ON ME AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN A SUGGESTION.
UM, BUT WE CAN GO INTO ANOTHER QUESTION WHERE SHE'S LOOKING IF THERE, THERE WAS THAT STILL AVAILABLE TO LOOK AT? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONDITIONS.
WHO IS IN THE STAFF RECORD? IS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER RENELL AGAIN? YES.
SO IN THE CONDITIONS THERE IS THE REQUEST TO ADD, UM, A LEFT REAR, UH, ANOTHER WINDOW ON THE LEFT REAR ELEVATION.
BUT ONE THING THAT I, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ABOUT, IT SAYS TO ADD, UM, A DOUBLE WINDOW ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION, BUT NOT ON THE RIGHT.
WAS THAT THE INTENTION? IS THE QUESTION FOR STAFF? OKAY.
THE ONLY REASON WHY THE FENESTRATION WITH JUST THE TWO WINDOWS, OF COURSE IT SEEMS OFF AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAID ONE MORE IS BECAUSE EVERY OTHER HOUSE ON THAT SAME BLOCK FACE THAT THIS HOUSE WILL BE IN BETWEEN HAS ONE WINDOW ON THE LEFT AND TWO WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT.
THIS IS THE WINDOW HE HAD BEFORE.
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YEAH, IT IT IS A VERY SMALL WINDOW.YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I WAS JUST BALANCING IT OUT ROCK FACE.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH MR. CUMMINGS NOW THAT WE'VE SEEN HIS WINDOW.
YEAH, THE WINDOW IS A LITTLE SMALL
WELL THAT DIDN'T HELP THAT MUCH, BUT UH, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING COULD BE OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD WORK, BUT IT IS THE BACK, I MEAN.
BUT, UH, I WAS HOPING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF A WINDOW THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE TYPICAL AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DAY LIGHTING TO BALANCE OUT THE FENESTRATIONS THERE.
WELL, MY CONCERN IS THAT WHILE THESE HOUSES ARE DEFINITELY SIMILAR, UM, THAT THEY NOT BE PAINTED THE SAME COLOR AND THIS FUNGAL HOUSE BLUE IS NICE, BUT THESE PROPERTIES ARE CATTY CORNER ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO, UM, HAVE THEM DIFFERENTIATED AT LEAST IN COLOR.
ONE IS, YES, I INSISTED ON THAT ONE IS ROYCROFT SHOOTER.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS BONGO HOUSE BLUE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. ANDERSON? I SHARE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER'S SHERMAN'S CONCERN, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAYBE TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER AS A CHANCE THAT WE COULD DO EITHER DIFFERENT COLUMNS OR A DIFFERENT DOOR.
I KNOW THE HOUSING IS ALL VERY SIMILAR, BUT I THINK JUST THE WINDOWS MAY NOT BE ENOUGH AND SINCE THEY ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER, IF YOU COULD DO, OR, OR A BANISTER ON THE PORCH OR, OR SOMETHING TO MAKE THIS HOUSE.
AND, AND ALSO IF I'M LIVING THERE, I KINDA LIKE MY HOUSE BE DIFFERENT THAN ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
IT, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE NICE.
SO WOULD YOU, COULD YOU CONSIDER IF YOU PUT THAT IN THE MOTION THAT YOU COULD CHANGE THE DOOR OR A COLUMN DETAIL OR SOMETHING? YEAH, I'VE MADE LIKE SEVEN CHANGES.
UM, I MEAN EVEN WITH THE, UH, LIKE THE FLOOR PLANS ARE DIFFERENT SO THE, THE INSIDES OF THE HOUSE IS GONNA LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
BUT WE DON'T GET TO SEE THE INSIDE WHEN WE DRIVE BY.
OR WE JUST GET THAT A, A DOOR WOULD BE ENOUGH MAYBE TOO.
SO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE DOOR ON ONE OF THE HOUSES, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON THIS HOUSE IN PARTICULAR? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A A CERTAINLY GOOD.
UM, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THOSE CRAFTSMAN DOORS AROUND.
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND IT AND CATALOG LIKE A SIX LIGHTING FRONT OF THE DOOR.
YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT YEAH.
ANY OTHER? IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN IT WILL BE TIME FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION.
SHOULD I DO THAT AGAIN? I GUESS I'LL, YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT OTHER PEOPLE TOO.
UH, ACTUALLY WITH THREE CON ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE COLUMNS, UM, FROM THE BRICK PORTION OF THE COLUMNS, UH, FROM THE FLOOR LINE UP THE ONE THIRD OF THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE COLUMN, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE TAPERED, UM, UH, DIMENSION THAT THE OUTSIDE BRACKETS, UH, THAT ALIGN WITH THE COLUMN, UH, COLUMNS FRONT ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT BE REMOVED AND THE OTHER THREE BRACKETS BE RE PROPORTIONED AND THAT A DIFFERENT, UH, CRAFTSMAN DOOR IS, UH, SUBMITTED, UH, IN, UH, FOR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERMAN FOR YOUR SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN WE'RE READY TO VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION THEN? IT APPEARS IT HAS CARRIED.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS? I'M SURE DR. DUNN WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UM, TO HELP YOU WITH AND TO REVIEW THE DOOR WHEN, WHEN A DOOR IS SELECTED.
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LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.WHEATLEY PLACE NEEDS NEW COMPATIBLE HOUSES.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP, UH, APPOINTMENT OF TROY SIMS TO THE WINKA HEIGHTS LAKE TASK FORCE.
WE'RE DONE SIR, IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA STAY FOR THIS.
IT'S NOT, YOU CAN STAY ALL DAY IF YOU WANT.
HERE'S A PUBLIC, BUT WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO? YOU TOO.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE, I MEAN TO APPOINT TROY SIMS TO THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS LAKE CLIFF TASK FORCE.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
YOU WILL NOTATE, YOU WILL LET MR. SIMS KNOW.
NOW WE HAVE A DISCUSSION AND VOTE ON AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPOSITION OF THE FAIR PART TASK FORCE.
DOES STAFF WISH TO INTRODUCE THIS? YES.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, CHANGING THE MAKEUP OF THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE AND SO WE HAD SUGGESTED, UM, UH, DR. DUNN SPOKE WITH THE TASK FORCE AND THEY AGREED THAT CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE.
AND SO STAFF AND COMMISSIONER OFFIT AND ALSO FROM SUGGESTIONS BY THE CURRENT TASK FORCE, UH, WE CAME UP WITH THE PROPOSAL OF INCREASING THE MEMBERSHIP TO NINE REGULAR MEMBERS, ONE EXOFFICIO AND TWO ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATES.
AND THAT THE NINE REGULAR MEMBERS WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM, UH, THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ENTITY WITH THE MANAGEMENT OVERSIGHT OF FAIR PARK, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF A RESIDENT NON-PROFIT INSTITUTION TO REPRESENTATIVES OR PROPERTY OWNERS FROM ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY OR BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS.
AND THEN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF THE FOUR PROFESSIONALS WITH EXPERIENCE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION WHO PRACTICE IN THE FIELDS OF ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ENGINEERING, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, URBAN DESIGN AND PLANNING, ARCHEOLOGY OR HISTORIC REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO WE KEPT THE, UH, THE CURRENT LANGUAGE AND THAT THE EX-OFFICIO MEMBER ASSIGNED BY, UH, BE ASSIGNED BY EITHER THE PARK AND RECREATION, UH, DEPARTMENT OR PARK O OPERATIONS.
AND WE DISCUSSED LEAVING OR PARK PARK OPERATIONS OFF TODAY WHEN WE WERE IN BRIEFING.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I'M SURE WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
LET ME JUST NOTE THAT I HAVE RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO THE UPCOMING, UH, MEETING WE WERE DISCUSSING AT LUNCH, BECOMING A CITY THAT REMEMBERS THAT'S, UM, DISCUSSION OF THE FUTURE OF HIS REP PRESERVATION.
IT WILL TAKE PLACE ON JANUARY 31ST AND I FORWARDED THE INVITATION TO ELAINE SO THAT SHE MAY SHARE IT WITH ALL COMMISSIONERS ON YOU'RE LAYING AREN'T BE GETTING IT, BUT JUST TO BE SURE.
ALRIGHT, YOUR QUESTION, MR. ANDERSON.
SO ONE OF THE POSITIONS IS FAIR PARK FIRST AND ANOTHER IS THE GROUP THAT MANAGES THE PARK.
IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS, UH, REALIZE THAT THE MANAGEMENT OF OVERSIGHT FOR FAIR PARK MAY CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN, UM, FRIENDS OF FAIR PARK, IT'S NOW FAIR PARK.
I PUT CURRENTLY FAIR PARK FIRST, SO THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHO IT IS.
UH, IF YOU WANT, THIS WILL HAVE TO GO TO, TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IS A CODE AMENDMENT TO THE RULES AND PROCEDURES.
SO WHEN IT GOES WE'LL, PROBABLY WE CAN TAKE OUT CURRENTLY FAIR PARK FIRST BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHO IT IS.
I PUT THAT IN SO YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHO IT IS.
SO THERE'S NOT TWO OF THEM AS WELL? NO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE DID HAVE A FEW CONCERNS WE VOICED DURING THE BRIEFING THAT I SAID SHOULD BE, IF YOU WANT 'EM ON THE RECORD, SHOULD BE REPEATED IN HOUSE.
COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THE TWO ALTERNATES.
UH, WHAT, UH, GROUP WILL THEY BE REPRESENTATIVE OF? THAT IS FOR STAFF? YES, THEY WOULD WOULD BE PEOPLE, RIGHT? THEY WOULD BE PEOPLE WHO, UM, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN FAIR PART.
THEY COULD BE, YOU COULD SAY THAT THEY HAD TO BE, UM, PEOPLE WHO MEET THE, UH, PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS OR YOU COULD, UH, USUALLY IN THE ALTERNATE IS EITHER SOMEONE FROM IN THE REGULAR TASK FORCE, THAT'S USUALLY SOMEONE FROM THE
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NEIGHBORHOODS.SO IF YOU WANTED DEFINE, LET ME PULL THIS OUT.
UM,
THEY HAVE TO BE A STAKEHOLDER FOR FAIR PARK IN SOME WAY.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE, OR THE PROFESSIONAL WITH EXPERIENCE.
SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEONE FROM ONE OF THE INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS, UH, THE AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM, THE DALLAS SYMPHONY, UM, THE HALL OF STATE, OR IT WOULD BE ONE, UH, SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE ONE OF THE FOUR PROFESSIONALS, UH, THAT ARE, UH, SUCH AS A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, URBAN PLANNER.
WHAT I JUST READ, WHAT IS THE CURRENT LANGUAGE.
SO IT, IT IS UP TO US TO, THERE WILL BE DEFINED AND IT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANNA SAY THEY MUST BE MEMBER OF THE PROFESSIONALS OR ARE THEY ALSO OPEN TO NEIGHBORHOODS OR TO, UM, ONE OF THE NONPROFIT RESIDENTS, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT'S THE DALLAS SYMPHONY.
I THINK IT'S THE, UH, SUMMER MUSICALS DALLAS WIND SYMPHONY.
BUT THERE'S SUMMER MUSICALS AND THE, THE HALL OF STATE IS ACTUALLY THE DALLAS HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
I MEAN,
IT SAYS THE ALTERNATES, UM, MAY BE, UM, INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS IN FAIR PARK WHO, UM, MAY ALSO HOLD PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS OR SOMEONE AND, OR SOMEONE, UM, WHO CURRENTLY RESIDES, UM, WITHIN AN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WELL WE, WE ALSO NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE DEFINING AS A KIND OF REPRESENTATIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WANT, I'M READING IT AS SAYING THEY'D LIKE ONE WHO REPRESENTS AN ASSOCIATION.
SO A LOCAL GROUP WOULD PICK A PERSON AND SEND THEM AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF THE HOMEOWNERS OR COMMUNITY OR PROFESSIONAL GROUP.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THERE'S ONLY TWO ALTERNATES VERSUS THREE? UM, THAT IS WHAT ALL THE TASK FORCES HAVE.
IS THERE, I MEAN, IS THAT A HARD AND SET RULE? WELL, LIKE I SAY, ALL, ALL THE OTHER TASK FORCES HAVE TWO ALTERNATES.
BUT SINCE THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THREE? ONE WOULD BE A RESIDENT, ONE WOULD BE, UH, ONE OF THE INSTITUTIONS THERE AT FAIR PARK AND ONE WOULD BE A NON, UH, THE OTHER A PROFESSIONAL, WELL WE'VE ALREADY DEFINED IN HERE.
WHAT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW IS, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTITY FOR MANAGEMENT, A REPRESENTATIVE OF A, UH, RESIDENT NONPROFIT INSTITUTION.
AND THERE ARE TWO REPRESENTATIVES OR PROPERTY OWNERS FROM ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY OR BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS.
DO YOU WANNA CHANGE TO HAVE MORE OF THOSE? NO, I, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT IS SUFFICIENT.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, UH, IF WE COULD HAVE THREE ALTERNATES, ONE REPRESENTING EACH AND THOSE THREE GROUPS, UM, THAT IS A THING TO CONSIDER.
I BELIEVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS NOW GONNA GET ON MIKE AND ADDRESS THAT WITH HER ATTORNEY OPINION.
YOU THE, WHAT THE CURRENT RULE IS IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, IT'S TWO, BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THE FAIR PARK, YOU COULD AMEND IT TO SAY, EXCEPT FOR FAIR PARK, YOU HAD THREE ALTERNATES AND THEN INCLUDE ANOTHER.
SO IF WE WISH TO GO WITH THE THREE ALTERNATES, THAT IS AN OPTION OPEN TO US LEGALLY.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE WITH QUESTIONS, SO I WANNA FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IF YOU'RE FINISHED.
COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, ARE YOU FINISHED? I'M FINISHED.
UH, I JUST WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO FIRST I WANNA THANK KATE FOR INCLUDING THE MANAGEMENT OVERSIGHT OF FAIR PARK.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT IN CASE FOR SOME REASON FAIR PARK FIRST IS CHANGE GETS CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE AND THAT, THAT COVERS US.
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WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I KNOW MAYBE A LITTLE REPETITIVE, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, REPRESENTATIVE, A RESIDENT NONPROFIT INSTITUTION WITHIN FAIR PARK.UM, JUST TO MAKE THAT MORE SPECIFIC SO THAT THERE'S NO QUESTIONS LATER ON ABOUT WHERE IS THIS RESIDENT NONPROFIT.
SO I COMING FROM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT.
WHAT OTHER QUESTION COMMISSIONER SPELL? UH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA THAT I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO JUMP UP TO THREE.
UH, SINCE THE SIZE OF THIS TASK FORCE WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ONES, I WOULD SPECIFY THAT YOUR THREE, UM, YOU WOULD DO ONE FROM UH, TWO C.
SO ONE ALTERNATE WOULD NEED TO COME FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENT NONPROFIT INSTITUTIONS.
I WOULD, UH, DO ONE FROM 2D SO THAT YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS AND THEN ONE FROM TWO E UM, SPECIFIC TO THE PROFESSIONAL, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT KIND OF MIRRORS THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW BETWEEN ONE FOR A STAKEHOLDER INSTITUTION OR A GROUP AND THEN ONE FOR THE PROFESSIONAL.
I THINK IN REGARDS TO TWO F THAT PARK OPERATIONS NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
NUMBER TWO, I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN I THINK IT'S UP TO THE, THE PARK DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF A REPRESENTATIVE THEY WANNA SEND.
IF THERE'S ANY STRONG OBJECTION, UM, I THINK THAT CAN BE HANDLED AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL AS A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE WHOMEVER THEY PROPOSE STILL HAS TO BE VOTED ON.
AND SO, UM, BUT I, I THINK PARK OPERATIONS, UM, I I, I THINK THAT'S TOO CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T KIND OF IN THE MIDST OF IT AND BEEN A PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ALRIGHT, SO I THINK ALL OF THESE REFLECT SO FAR GENERALLY THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN THE BRIEFING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, SO WHAT I, WHAT I HAVE DOWN HERE, YOU WILL TELL ME IF I MISS ANYTHING, IS WE KEEP IT WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTITY WITH MANAGEMENT OVERSIGHT OF FAIR PARK.
AND THE REST OF THAT IS GONE BECAUSE IT WAS JUST FOR OUR INFORMATION.
CA REPRESENTATIVE OF A RESIDENT NON-PROFIT INSTITUTION WITHIN FAIR PARK C TWO REPRESENTATIVES OF PROPERTY OWNERS FROM ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY OR BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS.
I AM READING THAT AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF ASSOCIATION.
AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY AND IN CONCERT WITH THE REST OF YOU? OR DO YOU HAVE OTHER VIEWS? I'M ASSUMING THAT WE DON'T MEAN JUST ANY PERSON APPLIES, BUT THAT WE ASK ASSOCIATIONS OR GROUPS TO NOMINATE A MEMBER OF THEIR BOARD OR SOMETHING AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE SO THAT THAT PERSON ANSWERS TO A WHOLE LOT OF, OF COMMUNITY PEOPLE AND HAS THE CAPACITY TO GATHER THEIR INPUT.
WE, WE WERE THINKING OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THEY WOULD APPOINT, UH, SAY ONE OF THEIR OFFICERS, LIKE, UH, A VICE PRESIDENT TO BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO FAIR PARK.
SO THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T JUST COME SAY, WELL I THINK THEY SAY ME AND THE 50 PEOPLE IN MY ORGANIZATION HAVE DECIDED WE LIKE THIS IDEA.
YEAH,
OR SUCH AS, SUCH AS, WELL THEN OPEN IT UP THAT I THINK THAT SOUNDS RIGHT UNLESS ANYBODY IS, IS IMPOSED.
AND THEN E THE FOUR PROFESSIONALS JUST LIKE IT, LIKE IT SAYS HERE AND THEN F AN EX OFFICIO MEMBER ASSIGNED BY THE PARK PICKOUT EITHER BY THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
SO THEY, THEY PICK WHO THEY WANT TO NOMINATE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THREE ALTERNATIVES.
ONE OF THEM IS ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE OF A RESIDENT NONPROFIT.
ONE IS, UH, ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE AND ADJACENT OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND ONE IS IN ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL.
IS THAT WHAT WE WANNA DO? WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS.
AND THEN STAFF WILL TYPE IT UP NICELY FOR US AND THAT WILL BE WHAT WE WILL BE REQUESTING GOES UP THE CHAIN FOR, FOR A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE.
THERE ARE NINE PEOPLE ON THE NEW TASK FORCE, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND HOW MANY ARE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS? FOUR PLUS ONE OF THE ALTERNATES WILL BE, WELL THERE WILL BE FOUR, THERE'LL BE FOUR PLUS ONE ALTERNATE.
NOW ON THE CURRENT FAIR PARK TASK FORCE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE AND HOW MANY DESIGN PROFESSIONALS? WE HAVE NINE PEOPLE ON THE CURRENT TASK FORCE AND FOUR, WELL FOUR ARE PROFESSIONALS AND ONE OF THE ALTERNATES IS ALSO A PROFESSIONAL, BUT THAT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T.
ARE THERE NINE POSITIONS NOW OR THEY'RE JUST NINE PEOPLE ATTENDING THE MEETING? HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE THERE? WELL, THERE'S SEVEN POSITIONS.
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WE HAVE TWO EXTRA PEOPLE ALTERNATES? YEAH.BUT, BUT THE ALTERNATES DON'T REALLY COUNT.
I MEAN THEY ALL, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT VOTING MEMBERS.
ALTERNATES ARE VOTING MEMBERS.
IF THEY ARE NEEDED, JUST LIKE YOU ARE AN ALTERNATE MEMBER OF THIS SEVEN MEMBERS PLUS TWO ALTERNATES.
THERE'S ONLY SEVEN PEOPLE VOTING AT ONE TIME AND NOW WE WOULD HAVE NINE PLUS THREE ALTERNATES.
ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DO THE MATH CAN FIGURE OUT IF WE'VE CHANGED PERCENTAGES.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FROM THE CURRENT FAIR PARK TASK FORCE AND WE'RE PROPOSING, HOW IS THE PROPORTION BETWEEN THE PROFESSIONALS AND THE OTHERS? UM, IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE SLIGHTLY LOWERED THE PROPORTION OF PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE THE CONSTANT VOTING MEMBERS, BUT WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGE IN AS DOES HAPPEN ALL OF THE TIME.
UM, THERE IS A LOT MORE OPENNESS NOW TO MAKING SURE THAT NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE SOME SAY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT TO THEM.
AND AS A LONG-TERM NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE, I KNOW YOU BELIEVE IN THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE MANY THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY OUTSIDERS THAT WE DID NOT APPROVE OF.
SO IT SEEMS REASONABLE THAT WE SLIGHTLY SHIFT THE POWER OF THE PROFESSIONALS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE EXTRA IMPORTANT AT, AT FAIR PARK.
'CAUSE IT'S SO DARN HARD TO UNDERSTAND IT UNLESS YOU ARE A TRAINED PROFESSIONAL, BUT WE HAVE TO REP RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE OTHER VIEWPOINTS THAT ARE JUST A VALID THERE.
I I MY CONCERN IS THAT FAIR PARK IS THAT EARLY, IS VERY DELICATE, VERY INTENSE.
IT'S A NATIONAL SORT LANDMARK.
AND BETWEEN YOU AND DEFENSE FORCE, I PUT MY, WE'RE IN A PUBLIC RECORDING MEETING, SO THERE'S NO BETWEEN YOU AND ME, I, MCCOYS AND THE CRAIG MELODIES THAT ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW ARCHITECTURE AND FAIR PARK AND THE HISTORY AND I JUST WANT THAT TO BE STATE.
AND BECAUSE THEY KNOW THOSE THINGS, PART OF THEIR JOB ON THE TASK FORCE IS WHEN IDEAS COME UP FROM SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HIS ARCHITECTURE AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION AS WELL.
THEY COULD EXPLAIN THE CONCERNS THAT MIGHT OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE THEY, THEY MOVE WITH ANOTHER IDEA.
SO THEY ARE THERE NOT JUST TO VOTE USING THEIR KNOWLEDGE, BUT TO SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE, TO EDUCATE THE OTHER MEMBERS AND HELP THEM WITH THEIR VOTE.
SO WITH THAT, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE STATED HOW WE WANT THIS TO BE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE INSTRUCT THE STAFF THAT, THAT WE VOTE TO APPROVE THE STAFF WRITE WRITES THIS UP AS WE HAVE SAID IT WAS, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT AND PREPARE TO SEND IT ON FOR FURTHER VOTE BY THOSE ABOVE US.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
APPEARS THAT THE AYES HAVE CARRIED, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
I, I ASSUME THAT STAFF HAS TO TYPE IT UP AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A LETTER AND I GOTTA SIGN IT AND OH, WE HAVE TO DO THE MINUTES? YES, I KNOW.
OH, IT'S COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
WE ALSO HAVE TO VOTE ON THE MINUTES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES THEY NEED MADE? OKAY.
ANYBODY WANNA MOVE? WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AND COMMISSIONER GUEST SECONDED.
ALRIGHT THEN IT IS 3 42 STILL THE AFTERNOON AND THIS MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED.