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AFTERNOON.[Landmark Commission Meeting on January 8, 2024. ]
THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT IS 1 0 4 ON JANUARY 8TH, 2024, AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, I'M THE CHAIR, EVELYN MONTGOMERY.
OUR VICE CHAIR IS COMMISSIONER COURTNEY FALLACY AND WE HAVE A, A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE ASK THAT ELAINE, CALL THE ROLL CALL TO ESTABLISH WHO'S HERE.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS HERE PRESENT.
AND CPC LIVES ON JOANNA HAMPTON.
AND WE'VE USUALLY BEEN VOTING ON OUR MINUTES AT THE END AFTER WE TAKE CARE OF ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS.
SO NOW IT IS TIME FOR US TO, UM, DISCUSS WHAT ORDER WE WILL HEAR THE CASES IN REFLECTING CONCERNS OF LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER'S POLICY.
SO WE'LL BE MOVING CONSENT ITEM TWO TO DISCUSSION.
UH, SO LOOKING FIRST AT OUR CONSENT ITEMS, UM, GOING ON AHEAD AND TAKING A VOTE FOR THAT SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECUSALS, IS THERE SOMETHING? OKAY.
SO, UM, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVALS AND DENIALS ON CONSENT ITEM ONE THREE THROUGH SIX, OR EXCUSE ME, THREE THROUGH EIGHT.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
UM, IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THIS? WELL, THEN WE SHALL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
CO UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE AND THREE THROUGH EIGHT HAVE ALL BEEN RULED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO IF YOU WERE HERE ON ONE OF THOSE, ANYTHING BUT CONSENT ITEM TWO, YOUR CASE IS FINISHED AND YOU CAN CONTACT STAFF FOR ANY INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT THAT.
AND NOW WHAT ORDER SHALL WE HEAR FROM THIS? UH, I MOVE THAT, UM, OUR AGENDA REFLECTS, UH, BEGINNING WITH CONSENT ITEM TWO, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR IN ORDER.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, GUEST.
SO THAT MEANS WE WILL BEGIN WITH CONSENT ITEM NUMBER TWO.
STAFF WILL PLEASE READ THAT AND WHO WILL BE DOING OUR, UM, WHO WILL BE READING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.
WHO HAS NOT SERVED LIGHTLY? COMMISSIONER GUEST WILL BE READING TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
CONSENT ITEM NUMBER TWO IS FOR 2 23 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH ONE 18 MW.
AND I AM MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE ENTIRE MAIN STRUCTURE, NOT INCLUDING THE MASONRY.
THAT WOULD BE BODYS W 7 0 4 SNOWBOUND DOOR AND PORCH FLOOR WOULD BE SW 2 8 63 POWDER BLUE.
THE WORK WAS COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE MASONRY ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE SW 2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WERE COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA REQUEST.
NUMBER THREE, A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE BALLAS STTR ON THE FRONT PORCH.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE ENTIRE MAIN STRUCTURE, NOT INCLUDING THE MASONRY BODY S WSS W 7 0 0 4 SNOWBOUND DOOR AND PORCH FLOOR W2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS RECEIVED 12 7 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501
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G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE MASONRY ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
W2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA BE DENIED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.11 A EIGHT A.
THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES FOR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE BALLAST ROD ON THE FRONT PORCH BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.111 PARAGRAPHS A THREE OR A 11.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE ENTIRE MAIN STRUCTURE, NOT INCLUDING THE MASONRY BODY SW 7 0 0 4 SNOWBOUND DOOR AND PORCH FLOOR SW 2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
SUGGEST REVERTING TO PREVIOUS COLOR SCHEME NEED PAINT SWATCHES.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT A MASONRY ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE SW 2 8 63 POWDER BLUE WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT A CA BE DENIED.
REMOVE PAINT OFF BRICK NUMBER THREE.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE VALUER ON FRONT PORCH.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED ON THIS REQUEST AT ROXANNE RIVERA.
PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND THEY'LL MAKE SURE IT'S ON FOR YOU.
I NEED TO ASK YOU TO START BY, GET BY STATING BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME'S ROXANNE RIVERA AND IT'S FOR 2 2 3 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 8.
AND YOU DO PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH? I DO.
ALRIGHTYY THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, WHICH ELAINE OVER THERE WILL BE TIMING.
UM, ESTEEM MEMBERS OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
I EXTEND MY HEARTFELT GRATITUDE FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY.
IT IS AN HONOR TO LIVE IN ONE OF THE LARGEST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN DALLAS AS A WORLD WAR II NERD.
I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE THAT THERE IS IN PRESERVING HISTORY.
I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROTOCOL.
THE IGNORANCE COMES FROM BEING A FIRST GENERATION HOME BUYER, A REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT DID NOT WARN US ABOUT THESE REQUIREMENTS AND OUR LACK OF RESEARCH.
AS A FIRST GENERATION HOME BUYER, I AM BOTH EXCITED AND DEEPLY HONORED TO BE PART OF THIS HISTORIC COMMUNITY.
THE JOURNEY TO HOME OWNERSHIP HAS BEEN A DREAM COME TRUE.
AND I'M COMMITTED TO CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO THE LEGACY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S WITH IMMENSE RESPECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY'S RICH HISTORY THAT I PRESENT THE PROPOSAL, A CHANGE IN THE PAINT COLOR OF THE HOME, AS WELL AS PAINTING OF THE MASONRY.
AS THE OTHER HOMES IN OUR STREET HAVE DONE, THE MAIN GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE MASONRY.
IN DOING SO, I BELIEVE THAT THIS CAN AND HAS ELEVATED THE CHARM OF THE CHARACTER OF OUR BELOVED NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY INSPIRATION FROM THIS PROPOSAL STEMS FROM DEEP APPRECIATION OF THE BEAUTIFUL HOMES THAT GRACE THE SAME STREET.
IN OBSERVING THE WELL THOUGHT OUT PALETTE COLORS ADORNING THESE HOMES I FELT INSPIRED TO CONTRIBUTE IN THIS KIND OF WAY.
THE SELECTED COLORS HAVE BEEN CHOSEN WITH CARE INTENDING TO HONOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND OF THE HOME WHILE INFUSING A SUBTLE, REFRESHING VIBRANCY.
I GENERALLY VIEW THIS PROPOSAL AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HARMONIZE WITH THE UNIQUE IDENTITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE HOMES THAT LINE OUR STREET.
WE CREATED A COHESIVE AND VISUALLY CAPTIVATING ATMOSPHERE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE KEPT ITS HISTORIC CHARM.
IN ESSENCE, I SAW THIS AS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AN EVEN MORE DELIGHTFUL PLACE TO CALL HOME.
WITH THE YOUR ESTEEMED SUPPORT, WE CAN STRIKE A PERFECT BALANCE PRESERVING THE ESSENCE OF OUR HISTORY, WHILE EMBRACING THE EVOLVING SPIRIT INSPIRED BY THE HOMES THAT SURROUND US.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND STICK AROUND FOR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I, UM, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN SEE, UM, APPLICANTS COMING BEFORE US BECAUSE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTATION
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FIRST.AND SO THIS CASE IS, IS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE, UM, ACTUALLY IT'S GONE ON LONG BEFORE YOU ARRIVED ON THE SCENE.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT I THINK FOR THIS COMMISSION TO BE FULLY BRIEFED ON THE ENTIRE HISTORY, UM, AS WELL AS THE TIMELINE AND THE SEQUENCE THAT HAPPENED.
UM, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT I THINK FOR US TO, UM, KNOW HOW SUCH THINGS DO COME ABOUT, UM, WHETHER YOUR INTENTIONS WERE AS YOU DESCRIBED, OR WHETHER THERE WAS A LACK OF AWARENESS OR WHATEVER BECAUSE UM, WE WORKED FOR DECADES IN THESE PROTECTED AREAS TO PROTECT THE STRUCTURES AND PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICTS.
AND SO WHAT YOU SEE IN WINKA HEIGHTS HAS COME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF OVER 40 YEARS OF WORK.
UM, SO, UM, SO DOCTOR, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT MY LINE OF QUESTIONING IS GONNA BE ABOUT.
'CAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS WELL AS MARCUS AND AS WELL AS ADRIAN.
SO THIS COMMISSION HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM THIS CASE AND WE CAN PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, SEE MORE VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE MM-HMM.
AND SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UM, YOU ARE THE APPLICANT, CORRECT? YES.
IS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ALSO THE OWNER? UM, I'M ENGAGED TO LIKE THE OWNER.
I'M ON THE TITLE, BUT I GUESS THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT I'M ALSO AN OWNER.
SO WERE YOU AS, UM, UM, BEING CONNECTED TO THE OWNER, WERE YOU PRIVY TO THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE TRANSACTION? IN OTHER WORDS, DID YOU SEE ALL THE DOCUMENTS? DID YOU SIGN ANYTHING MORE THAN THE DEEDED OR DID YOU SIGN THE DEEDED? UM, JUST THE DEEDED, BUT UH, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF DOCUMENTS? I'M SORRY.
THE CONTRACT AND THE ADDEND TO THE CONTRACT.
THE CONTRACT FOR THE, LIKE PURCHASING OF THE HOME? MM-HMM.
UM, NO, I DID NOT SIGN THOSE CONTRACTS.
UM, THERE IS, UM, A PORTION OF TWO PORTIONS OF THE CONTRACT THAT ADDRESS WHETHER PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT AND TO SOME EXTENT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS IN THE SELLER'S DISCLOSURE NOTICE, IT'S GONNA MENTION WHETHER OR NOT IT'S LOCATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAS TO BE SIGNED BY THE BUYER, UH, PREPARED BY THE SELLER, SIGNED BY THE BUYER.
BUT YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED, YOU DIDN'T SIGN THAT.
UM, THEN THE OTHER ONE, GO AHEAD.
UH, ONE THING ABOUT THAT, SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE AND THEY SIGNED IT, 'CAUSE I WAS PRESENT WHEN THAT WHOLE PAPERWORK HAPPENED, THE REAL ESTATE AGENT MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE HISTORIC PART WAS JUST MEANT THAT WE COULDN'T ADD TO THE HOUSE.
OR IF LIKE WE NEEDED TO REPAIR, LIKE, LET'S SAY, UM, LIKE THE OUTSIDE THE EXTERIOR, WE HAD TO LIKE MATCH THE EXACT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE HAS LINES, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, IT HAS TO MATCH THAT SPECIFIC ONE.
AND WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, IT, THE MASONRY WAS ALREADY PAINTED.
SO THAT WAS LIKE WE, WE HAD NO IDEA.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, SPECIFICALLY THE SELLER'S DISCLOSURE NOTICE THAT DISCLOSES TO THE BUYER WHAT THE SELLER KNOWS TO BE TRUE ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
AND OFTENTIMES THE STATE OF REPAIR TO THE BEST OF THE SELLER'S KNOWLEDGE.
SO IN THAT DOCUMENT, IT WOULD'VE SAID THAT IT WAS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THERE WOULD'VE BEEN ANOTHER DOCUMENT IN THIS CASE THAT WAS, UH, REFERRED TO AS THE ADDENDUM FOR PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHERE IT MENTIONS THAT IT'S IN THE DISTRICT.
AND CONSEQUENTLY, AS A RESULT IT'S PROTECTED AND CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR HAVE TO BE APPROVED FIRST WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MADE PRIVY TO THE ACTUAL BUYER OF THE PROPERTY, THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE DOCUMENTATION.
THE SELLER'S DISCLOSURE WOULD'VE HAPPENED EARLY IN THE PROCESS, PRIOR TO THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD WHEN YOU HAD THE RIGHT TO EX, YOU KNOW, UM, HAVE THE HOUSE INSPECTED AND SO FORTH THAT PRECEDES THE INSPECTION.
AND SO DOES THE ADDENDUM, WHICH EXPLAINS THAT IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHAT THAT MEANS TO A PROPERTY OWNER OF A HOUSE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WHAT YOUR REALTOR EXPLAINED TO YOU AT CLOSING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T SUPERSEDE WHAT THE ADDENDUM REFERENCES.
IT PUTS YOU ON NOTICE THAT IT'S IN A SPECIAL PLACE AND CONSEQUENTLY THERE ARE THINGS TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT.
AND IT RECOMMENDS THAT YOU LOOK INTO WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO THE POINT IS THAT IT'S, IT'S FAR MORE REACHING THAN JUST, UM, ADDING ON OR SITING.
IT APPLIES TO LANDSCAPES, IT APPLIES TO COLORS, IT APPLIES TO A GREAT MANY THINGS.
AND YOU WOULD'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE HAD YOU BEEN THE OWNER, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN PROVIDED A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE, OR AT LEAST TOLD WHERE IT COULD BE FOUND.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO STRENGTHEN ALL THIS MM-HMM.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
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THE OTHER THING I, I COULD JUST GIVE PROPS TO MY DEAR FRIEND, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.SHE'S BOUGHT LONG AND HARD TO MAKE SURE BUYERS DON'T FIND THEMSELVES IN YOUR SITUATION WHERE THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE AND THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO WHEN THE BRICK WAS PAINTED BLACK THAT WAS MADE AWARE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU WEREN'T, UM, YOU DIDN'T HAVE SIGNATORY AUTHORITY DURING THIS PROCESS? WERE AT WHAT POINT WERE YOU OR, UM, YOUR FIANCE PUT ON NOTICE THAT THE BRICK HAD BEEN PAINTED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER AND THERE WAS A CODE VIOLATION? WE GOT A LETTER IN THE MAIL AND I THINK I EMAILED THE EMAIL RIGHT AWAY, OR NO, I CALLED THE COMPLIANCE OFFICER RIGHT AWAY AND I WAS LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO LIKE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND SO MY ASSUMPTION WAS THAT IT WAS BECAUSE WE PAINTED IT.
SO UP UNTIL THAT MOMENT, I HAD NO IDEA THAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I DO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I COMPLETELY RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY THAT'S IN DALLAS AND ULTIMATELY THAT'S THE GOAL WITH LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THAT'S WHEN WE WERE PUT IN NOTICE WHEN WE GOT A LETTER THAT SAID THAT YOU HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER 14TH TO EITHER, UM, FIX IT OR LIKE YOU GUYS WILL FIX IT.
SO I CALLED THE OFFICER AND THE OFFICER TOLD ME THAT, OH, IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, I'M, THAT'S WHERE WE ALL GOT CONFUSED BECAUSE, UH, WE HAD PAINTED IT A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF COLORS.
AND SHE TOLD ME THAT A SET OF COLORS GOT APPROVED AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I WAS MADE AWARE THAT THEY LIKE FILED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THAT THE ONE THING THAT WASN'T APPROVED WAS THE MASONRY.
SO YOU CLOSED ON THIS PROPERTY, WHAT? MID-SEPTEMBER? I WANT TO SAY.
SO YOU WENT UNDER CONTRACT PRIOR TO THAT? MM-HMM.
SO DID YOU RECEIVE NOTICE THAT THERE WAS AN OUTSTANDING CODE VIOLATION BEFORE YOU CLOSED? NO, UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE WE ARE FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND I AM FIRST GENERATION, YOU KNOW, LIKE HISPANIC IN TEXAS, SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GUIDE US THROUGH THE HOME BUYING PROCESS.
AND OUR REAL ESTATE AGENT, NOT THAT AGE SHOULD MATTER, BUT WE FOUND OUT LATER ON THAT SHE'S 23.
SO SHE MADE A LOT OF MISTAKES IN THE PROCESS.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S LIKE, NOT NECESSARILY HER FAULT, IT'S PROBABLY FROM THE LACK OF EXPERIENCE, BUT SHE, NONE OF THIS WAS RESEARCHED.
I WOULD'VE HAD NO CLUE TO EVEN DO THIS OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LIKE A DISCLOSURE BEFORE WE EVEN MOVED TO INSPECTIONS TO KNOW WHAT IT ENTAILED.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DID NOT KNOW ANY OF THAT.
AND IF WE GO THROUGH PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH HER OR ANYTHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, VIA EMAIL OR TEXT MESSAGE, YOU WON'T FIND ANYTHING OF THE SORT.
IF ANYTHING SHE WAS, SHE WOULD JUST MENTION LIKE, OH, IT'S A REALLY COOL THING TO LIVE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT NOTHING THAT LIKE IS NECESSARY TO KNOW BEFORE, LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, A BUYER HAS TO ADHERE TO OR SHOULD ADHERE TO.
UM, AND UM, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WHEN OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WAS FIRST NOTIFIED OF THE FACT THAT THE BRICK HAD BEEN PAINTED BLACK, THEN SHE WOULD'VE INITIATED SOME CONTACT TO THE OWNERSHIP, WHICH AT THAT TIME WOULD'VE BEEN THE PREVIOUS OWNER, WOULD'VE BEEN THE RENOVATOR.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, YOUR, YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT THE RENOVATOR NEVER NOTIFIED YOUR FIANCE CORRECT.
BUT YOU ON NOTICE THAT THEY WERE TOLD CORRECT.
WE, AND JUST TO EVEN ADD TO THAT, THEY HAVE SPEAKERS AND LIKE A WATER SPRINKLING SYSTEM.
I HAVE PROOF THAT IT TOOK OVER A MONTH AFTER WE MOVED IN TO EVEN GET THAT INFORMATION.
I HAD TO ACTUALLY GOOGLE THE SELLER'S INFORMATION THROUGH A LETTER THAT WE GOT AND FIND HIS INFORMATION TO ASK HIM ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
IF I MAY RUDELY INTERRUPT AGAIN, I I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING THE COURSE OF ACTION THAT LED US TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE AT, WHICH CLEARLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE FORMER OWNERS AND, UM, THE NEWNESS OF THE REAL ESTATE AGENT.
BUT OUR ATTORNEY HAS SAID THAT IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE HAVING ESTABLISHED THAT, THAT WE MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THE SITUATION IN WHICH WE NOW FIND OURSELVES.
I KNOW, I'M JUST LETTING THE ATTORNEY TOLD ME I HAVE TO DO WHAT THE ATTORNEY SAYS.
UM, SO AT WHAT POINT DID YOU DECIDE THAT, UM, AFTER CLOSING, YOU DIDN'T PAINT THE HOUSE BEFORE CLOSING? NO.
BUT AFTER CLOSING, WHEN DID YOU PAINT THE HOUSE? WHITE SNOW B WITH POWDER BLUE? I WANT TO SAY IT WAS MAYBE TWO WEEKS BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
SO THE FIRST PART OF NOVEMBER AT LEAST I WANT TO SAY THAT, OR MAYBE IT WAS LIKE AROUND OCTOBER 24TH.
'CAUSE THAT'S BRIAN'S BIRTHDAY.
SO IT WAS ANYTIME BEFORE THEN.
I SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN THAT DOWN.
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BUT EITHER ENDING OF OCTOBER OR BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.AND WHEN DID YOU FIRST FIND OUT THAT THAT WAS DONE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE? I THINK IT WAS, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT MY MESSAGES, BUT IT'S WHEN I LIKE STARTED CALLING.
I HONESTLY, RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT DATE.
BUT I CAN FIND IT BASED ON LIKE, WHEN I CONTACTED THEM.
UM, THEY'RE GETTING TO WHETHER OR NOT WHAT WAS DONE TO THE PROPERTY IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT? MM-HMM.
UM, AND BY WHOM THAT LEADS US WITH WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND, UM, I ALREADY KNOW HOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT AND I'M, UH, VERY GLAD THAT YOU, UM, HAVE, UM, REACHED OUT TO CITY STAFF AND LET 'EM KNOW HOW EAGER YOU ARE TO GET THIS RECTIFIED AND UM, 'CAUSE IT IS A VERY PRETTY HOUSE.
IT'S HAD A SAD LITTLE HISTORY WHEN IT HAD A FIRE IN IT.
BUT THEN IT GOT BROUGHT BACK TOGETHER AND IT'S GOT A PRETTY WRAPAROUND AND IT'S MID-BLOCK.
SO IT HAS A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE BLOCK.
UM, HOWEVER, WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE APPLICATION OF THE COLOR SCHEME, IN MY OPINION IS IT HAS GIVEN THAT PROPERTY STANDALONE QUALITY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE FROM THE END OF THE STREET, YOU DON'T, YOUR MIND DOESN'T READ WHAT A PRETTY BLOCK FACE THAT IS, HOW PRETTY EACH AND EVERY HOUSE IS.
IT MAKES YOUR HOUSE STAND OUT INSTEAD OF BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE WHOLE MM-HMM.
AND IN THE DISTRICT, PART OF OUR GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE WHOLE, NOT TO LET EACH HOUSE SHOWCASE BEYOND THE WHOLE.
SO, UM, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT'S, IT'S NOT PERSONAL.
IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT PROTECTS THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT AND, UM, ENHANCES THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
SO, UM, AND GOOD LUCK TRYING TO TRACK BACK AND FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT HAPPENED.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT YOUR AWARENESS LEVEL.
WAS IT A NEIGHBOR THAT TOLD YOU THAT THE HOUSE GOT PAINTED AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD A CA OR NO? DID YOU GET A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEBODY? UH, FOR WHAT? I'M SORRY.
WHO, WHO INFORMED YOU THAT? I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET A CA YEAH.
AFTER YOU'D ALREADY PAINTED THE, THE LETTER.
SO WHEN I CALLED THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR WHOEVER, UM, PASSED BY.
SO IT WAS, THEY TOLD ME AND THEY WERE CONFUSED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT WAS WHITE AND BLUE.
AT THAT POINT THEY ASSUMED IT WAS BLACK MASONRY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
OH, SO EVEN THE CITY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE WHITE PEOPLE.
SO IT WAS LIKE, JUST BAD TIMING ALL AROUND.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE MADAM CHAIR.
UNLESS YOU READY FOR MOTION? UH, WELL I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY.
WE HAVE TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF REGARDING THIS QUANDARY WE'RE IN.
WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE BIG PROBLEM FOR US IS THAT MASONRY HAS BEEN PAINTED.
MASONRY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PAINTED BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE THE MASONRY BECAUSE IT'S THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
IT'S ALSO A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT DOES TEND TO PEEL OFF.
NOW YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD NUMBER OF COATS ON THERE NOW, SO, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BLUE WITH BLACK SHOWING THROUGH AND THEN BLUE WITH BLACK AND BRICK SHOWING THROUGH.
SO IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE THAT WE WERE TO FIND THAT WE SIMPLY CANNOT COUNTENANCE THE PAINTING OF MASONRY, HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANYBODY ABOUT HOW TO RE HOW TO GET THE PAINT OFF OF THERE? 'CAUSE IT CAN BE DONE.
IT'S NOT EASY, BUT IT, IT CAN BE DONE.
SO THE PERSON, UM, OR THE COMPANY WHO PAINTED THE BRICK TO BEGIN WITH, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AS SOON AS LIKE WE, UM, GOT THE NOTICE AND I WAS LIKE, WELL THE ONE THING THAT THEY SAID WAS THE MASONRY WAS PROBABLY GONNA BE LIKE A LITTLE HARDER TO APPROVE.
SO I MEAN, IF WE HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT, WE'LL WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
SO, SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE.
NO, NO ONE WANTS TO DO IT, BUT YOU, YOU CAN DO IT ABOUT STAFF WILL WORK WITH HER AS WELL? YEAH.
AND, AND MARK HAS PROBABLY HAS SOME IDEAS.
HE STARTED WHEN HE WAS LIKE SIX YEARS OLD.
SO HE'S JUST HAD TONS OF TIME TO, TO GAIN A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE.
UM, REGARDING THAT BLUE, THE PAINT SAMPLE AS I SAW IT ON THE EMAIL DOCKET THAT WE GET DID NOT LOOK LIKE THE BLUE I SEE ON THE PICTURE.
UM, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE BLUE AT ALL? SO IT'S A LITTLE LESS, UM, SKY LIKE BLUE OR, UM, IS THAT THE SAME BLUE THAT WE SENT? IT'S THE SAME BLUE.
I THINK THAT ONE WAS CHOSEN FROM LIKE THE SHERWIN WILLIAMS LIKE HISTORIC LINE.
IT WAS LIKE THE ONE THING IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT NO, IT WASN'T SHERWIN WAY.
I WAS, I CAN'T, CAN'T FIND IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WASN'T THEM.
BUT ARE YOU SET ON THAT BLUE OR WOULD A LESS, UM, UNIQUE BLUE BE AN OPTION? WE ARE SET ON THAT BLUE.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONCE WE CHANGE THE MASONRY BACK TO THE WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL COLOR OF THE MASONRY IS? YES.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN DOES, SHE'S SEEN EVERY HOUSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WAS ABOVE COLOR AND YOU CAN, THE, THE PICTURES OF
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IT ARE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.SO IF YOU GO TO ZILLOW OR YOU GO TO GET A REALTOR TO PULL OUT THE MLS RECORDS, YOU CAN SEE OKAY.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE PORCH RAIL.
UNLESS YOU STILL HAVE THE PORCH RAIL IN THE BACKYARD SOMEWHERE.
I MEAN, WHAT LED TO THE REMOVAL OF THE PORCH RAIL? UH, NO.
UM, SO THE PORCH RAIL WAS ALREADY FALLING OFF.
LIKE IT WAS LITERALLY HANGING ON BY A THREAD.
LIKE, LIKE BRIAN LEANED ON ONE OF THE SIDES AND HE, HE FELL TO THE SIDE.
SO AT THAT POINT IT BECAME MORE OF A HAZARD FOR US TO KEEP IT ON.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS REMOVED.
BUT THAT CAN ALWAYS BE REPLACED.
WE JUST HADN'T REALLY GOTTEN AROUND TO THAT SIDE.
I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSION WAS ASKING, DID YOU SAVE THE PORTRAYAL THAT CAME OFF OR HAS IT BEEN THROWN AWAY? BECAUSE IF YOU SAVED IT, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SALVAGE IT.
OR AT LEAST DUPLICATE IT WITH EASE BECAUSE YOU HAD THE ORIGINAL.
SO IF, IF THE REMOVAL OF IT IS NOT APPROVED, THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY CAUSE US TO ASK YOU TO REAPPLY WITH A PROPOSED, UM, BANISTER THAT YOU WANNA PUT BACK UP.
AND YOU ALSO SHOULD ASK IF, IF THERE'S ANY OUTSIDE OF US CODE REASONS WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE THERE FOR THE SAFETY OF KEEPING PEOPLE FROM FALLING OFF.
PARTICULARLY ANY CHILDREN THAT MIGHT SHOW UP, WHICH COULD HAPPEN KNOWN TO
SO, UM, ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GOT A QUESTION.
LET'S LET COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS ASK HIS QUESTION, UM, THE PORCH FLOOR, UM, THAT'S PAINTED BLUE AS WELL.
TO ME THAT STANDS OUT JUST AS MUCH AS THE PAINTED BRICK.
UH, HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REVERSING THAT AND NOT HAVING THAT AS THIS BRIGHT SHINY BLUE PORCH THAT STANDS ALONE TO ITSELF? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN KEEPING AS THERE MAIN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REVERSING THAT, UH, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT REVERSING THAT.
WOULD YOU, UH, WOULD YOU BE THOUGHT THINKING AND THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY AS WELL IF THAT WOULD COME UP? UM, ULTIMATELY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT WE DO LIKE THE PORCH BEING THAT COLOR AND ESPECIALLY IF THE MASONRY IS GONNA GO BACK TO THAT COLOR, I DON'T THINK IT'LL STAND OUT AS MUCH ONCE THE MASONRY IS BACK ESTABLISHED TO THEIR ORIGINAL COLOR.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE BESIDES COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WHO HASN'T GONE YET THAT NEEDS TO SPEAK? OKAY, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE COLORS, THE SNOW BOUND IS ACTUALLY, UM, A GRAYISH UNDERTONE.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S RECOMMENDED BY SHERWIN WILLIAMS THAT IT ALSO ACCOMPANY COLORS THAT ALSO TOO HAVE A GRAYISH UNDERTONE AND THIS PARTICULAR SHADE OF POWDER BLUE, I DON'T KNOW WHO MIXED IT OR WHY THEY MIXED IT LIKE IT IS, IT DOESN'T INDICATE ANY MUTED COMPONENTS OF GRAY, EVEN THOUGH THE PAINT SWATCH LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MUTED BLUE.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH WHATEVER COLOR YOU WERE REALLY PROVIDED.
AND YOU MIGHT WANNA REVISIT THAT.
UM, AND THE ORIGINAL BRICK WAS A BUFF COLOR AND, UM, THE REASON I MENTIONED THE IMAGES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN IS 'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW THE PORCH RAIL WAS DESIGNED.
UM, WHEN YOU ZERO IN ON IT, YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY HOW IT WAS DONE.
SO JUST TAKING YOUR QUEUE WHEN YOU GO TO PUT THE PORCH RAIL BACK SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE, I URGE YOU NOT TO TAKE YOUR CUE FROM WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SURROUNDING HOUSES.
BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF DOCUMENTED HISTORY ON THIS HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CUES FROM THERE.
SINCE NO ONE ELSE, OH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON NOW HAS A QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT POWDER BLUE ON THE SCREEN? IS THAT THE COLOR YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE PAINTING? WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT ON ALL.
LOOK, DO YOU HAVE A ACTUAL SAMPLE OF THAT IN YOUR DOCUMENT? WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL SAMPLE, NO.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE, BUT THAT WOULD, THAT'S THE PICTURE.
YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF IT, BUT NOT AN ACTUAL, NOT THE ACTUAL THING.
WE DON'T GENERALLY DO THAT, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE EASY ENOUGH TO GET FROM THE SHERWIN-WILLIAMS STORE AND COMPARE, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WHAT I SEE ON THE SCREEN IS NOWHERE NEAR WHAT I SEE ON THE HOUSE.
UM, EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER IS WRONG, OR MAYBE IS, UH, SAID IT EARLIER.
MAYBE IT WAS MIXED WRONG IN PRAIRIE AND CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURE.
THE COLORS ARE MUTED, THEY'RE EARTH TONES.
NOW THAT'S AN EARTH TONE COLOR.
AND WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE IS NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
I'M, I HONESTLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
UM, BUT MAYBE IT'S ALSO THE LIGHTING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CAMERA TAKING THE PICTURE AS WELL.
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OKAY.I I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHAT I SEE HERE IS IT IS APPROPRIATE.
WHAT I SEE IN THE HOUSE IS NOT.
ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S EVERYBODY WHO WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION NOW.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION, UM, IN THE MATTER OF 2 2 3 NORTH WILLAMETTE AVENUE IN THE WINKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 18 MW.
IS THAT ITEM ONE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE THE WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P 8 7 1 1 1 A EIGHT, WHICH STATES THE COLORS MUST BE COMPLIMENTARY OF THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT AND THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C, ROMAN I-B-B-C-C FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WITH STATE, THE WORK WILL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE STRUCTURE, UM, ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE AND NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, UM, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND DENY, UH, WITHOUT, UM, DENY THE REQUEST.
AND NUMBER THREE, THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REMOVAL OF THE BALUSTRADE FROM THE FRONT PORCH.
I A I SECOND THAT BEFORE, WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK, WILL YOU CONFIRM THAT ON NUMBER TWO YOU ARE REQUESTING STRAIGHT DENIAL RATHER THAN DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ALL RIGHT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S IN THE RECORD.
DO YOU SECOND MR. ANDERSON? OKAY, NOW, ANY DISCUSSION AMONG MAKING NOTE? CAN I SPEAK TO THE MOTION IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK THIS IS THE FASTEST, EASIEST WAY TO DO IT.
KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE BECAUSE THIS HAS TO BE FINE TUNED ANYWAY.
THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME BACK AND, UM, THAT TIME EVERYTHING I THINK WILL BE SET RIGHT AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF FORETHOUGHT AND A LOT OF ADVICE OFFERED ALONG THE WAY.
UM, I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
UM, MS. RIVERA, UH, YOU, SINCE YOU DID RECEIVE DENIALS, YOU HAVE THE OPTION IF YOU WANTED TO, OF APPEALING FOR A FEE TO CPC AND THEIR STANDARD WOULD BE, WERE WE WRONG ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WHAT YOU HAD DONE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR BASIS OF OUR DECISION? I A THAT COULD TAKE A WHILE AND OF COURSE, LIKE I SAID, JEFF
AND SO WE'RE SORRY YOU'RE HAVING THESE DIFFICULTIES AND THAT YOU ACTUALLY BOUGHT INTO THEM.
UH, SOMETIMES FIRST HOMEOWNER, FIRST TIME HOMEOWNERS DON'T HAVE QUITE THIS PROBLEM, BUT THEY HAVE OTHERS.
IF YOUR TOILETS WORK, YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO I WISH YOU WELL AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK HERE TOO.
THANK YOU TO FURTHER WORK WITH THIS.
ITEM D ONE IS 26 16 STATE STREET IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 1 25 MW.
I'M MARCUS WATSON ONCE AGAIN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS A REQUEST, UH, I'M SORRY, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTHEAST WEIR OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROTTEN SIDING APPROXIMATELY 60% ON THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE IN KIND STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS DATED 1 2 24 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ALL SIDING AND TRIM MATERIALS EXACTLY MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND THAT THE WINDOWS FACING THE STREET, THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS MOVED FROM THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW 51 P DASH 2, 25 0.109, A TWO, A THREE, A NINE, A 11, A 14, AND A 16.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4 5 0 1
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G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHEAST REAR OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS DATED 1 2 24 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE SITING PROFILE OF THE REAR PORTION OF THE ADDITION MATCH THAT ON THE ORIGINAL FRONT STRUCTURE AND THAT THE WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 2 25 0.10109 A TWO, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE.
THREE IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROTTEN SIDING APPROXIMATELY 60% ON THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE IN KIND BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE REPLACEMENT SIDING EXACTLY MATCHED THE HISTORIC AND MATERIAL SIZE AND PROFILE, AND THAT THE APPLICANT WILL USE MATERIAL SALVAGE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS PRACTICAL AND WITH THE FINDING THAT THE INTENT IS PRESERVATION, BUT THAT THE AMOUNT OF ROTTEN WOOD EXCEEDS THE AMOUNT CUSTOMARILY APPROVED UNDER ROUTINE MAINTENANCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 2 25 0.109 A 11, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE, SUCCESSFUL REVISION STEP, STEP BACK AND ROOF LINE REVISIONS ON THE SOUTHWEST ADDITION.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTHEAST REAR OF THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE.
NO QUORUM COMMENTS ONLY GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE SUCCESSFUL REVISIONS.
SOME WORK ON WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE ADDITION WOULD BE GOOD.
NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROTTEN SIDING, APPROXIMATELY 60% ON THE ORIGINAL MAIN STRUCTURE IN KIND, NO QUORUM, NO COMMENTS.
ALL RIGHT, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS REGISTERED ON THIS ONE.
THE FIRST OF WHOM IS JAY KUSKI.
PLEASE BEGIN WITH HER NAME AND ADDRESS.
1 1 5 1 4 GATESVILLE DRIVE, FRISCO, TEXAS, I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, ELAINE OVER THERE WILL BE TIMING YOU.
UM, AS EVERYONE HOPEFULLY REMEMBERS, WE WERE HERE JUST LAST MONTH'S HEARING, SO RATHER THAN GOING OVER THE FULL AND COMPLETE, UM, SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD TAKE US LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES, I WAS JUST GONNA FOCUS ON GOING THROUGH THE, UH, THREE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE IN IN LAST, UH, HEARING.
AND MARCUS, IF YOU DON'T MIND BRINGING UP A 10 SHEET OF THE PDF, WHICH WOULD BE A 2.6.
UM, THIS SHOULD GIVE ME, UM, SPOT WHERE I CAN RUN THROUGH A FEW OF THE THINGS, BUT WE, WE'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF THEM AND, AND THEY WERE IN TODAY'S HEARING, BASICALLY THE, UH, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE, THAT WE STEP BACK THAT RIGHT SIDE OF THE ADDITION.
WHEN I SPEAK TO THE RIGHT SIDE, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE FACING THE HOUSE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOME.
UM, THIS ADDITION, IT WAS, UM, UH, A FEW, A FEW SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS AT, AT 12 INCHES ONE FOOT.
SO WE TOOK THAT, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE STEPPED THAT BACK ONE FOOT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, UM, IN, IN THIS VIEW RIGHT HERE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT RENDERING, IT GIVES YOU A GOOD, UH, A GOOD VIEW AND VANTAGE POINT OF THAT.
AND I, I THINK THAT IT GIVES IT A VERY CLEAR DEMARCATION AND AND DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT AND THE ADDITION THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS MARCUS, UH, STATED BEFORE, WE ARE TAKING HISTORICAL WINDOWS AND PUTTING THEM ON THAT FRONT FACING ADDITION.
SO ALL VISIBLE FACADES ARE, UM, ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE, THAT WE COULD AND THAT WE WERE TAKING INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UH, TO, TO DO PROPERLY.
UM, THE SECOND AND THIRD RECOMMENDATIONS I WILL KIND OF COVER WITH THE SAME TIME, AND THIS IS THE SAME, SAME SHEET HERE, IF YOU LOOK ONE RENDERING UP.
SO THE SECOND RENDERING FROM THE BOTTOM THAT SHOWS THE LEFT SIDE VANTAGE POINT AT A 60 DEGREE VIEWPOINT, THAT IS, UH, BASICALLY SHOWING THE, UH, WE HAD A SIDE ADDITION THAT WAS COMING ALONG THE SIDE JUST A LITTLE STRIP BEFORE WE GOT RID OF THAT SIDE ADDITION.
AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, DROP THE ROOF, THE ROOF PLANE AND ROOF PITCH BEHIND THE HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT GABLE, WHICH IS THE LEFT FACING GABLE THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.
WE DROP THAT ROOF PITCH TO FURTHER,
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UH, CREATE THAT DELINEATE THAT THAT LINEATION IN, THAT, THAT DEMARCATION FROM THE EXISTING HISTORICAL STRUCTURE TO THE NEW AND PROPOSED ADDITION.UH, BEFORE WHEN WE WERE HERE, IT WAS BASICALLY THE SAME WALL, UH, CONTINUOUS ALONG THE LEFT SIDE.
AND NOW YOU CAN SEE IT, IT DOES STEP OUT.
IT, IT ACTUALLY IS IN THE, THE SAME SPOT, UH, THAT WE HAD THE ADDITION BEFORE.
SO WE WERE, UH, PREVIOUSLY EXTENDING THAT ADDITION TO THE SIDE YARD LOT LINE AND WE'VE MAINTAINED THAT, UM, THAT THAT DISTANCE OVER THERE.
SO THAT'S JUST TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE COMMENTS THIS MORNING ABOUT THAT ADDITION GOING OUT VERSUS IN.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, VISUALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GIVING THE, THE SAME DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT'S NEW AND WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S HISTORICAL FROM A VIEWPOINT THAT'S NOT, UM, A VERY PROMINENT VIEWPOINT.
SO THAT WAS THE SECOND AND THIRD ITEMS, UH, OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE.
THE FOURTH WASN'T REALLY A RECOMMENDATION, IT WAS JUST MORE OF A COMMENT.
UM, THE WINDOWS ON THE LEFT SIDE, WE, WE ADDRESSED THOSE, THOSE WERE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S COMMENT.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE GIVE THE APPLICANT ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
SO THE, THE, UH, THE, THE LAST ITEM THERE WAS THE, UH, THE, THE FENESTRATION ON THE LEFT SIDE, BASICALLY, UH, IT WAS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN, THAN A, AN ACTUAL, I THINK THERE WERE THE, THE PREVIOUS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MORE OUTLINED.
THIS WAS JUST MORE OF A, OF A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE SPECIFICALLY FROM COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND THEN A FEW OTHERS.
UM, THAT THE, UH, THE FENESTRATION SPECIFICALLY ON THIS LEFT SIDE WAS JUST A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT, THAT IMAGE IN THE MIDDLE SHOWS WHERE WE WERE LAST MONTH AND, UH, THE, THE IMAGE ON THE TOP IS WHAT WE'VE DONE TO REVISE THAT LEFT ELEVATION.
YOU CAN FURTHER SEE THE LEFT ADDITION NOT COMING ON THE SIDE ANYMORE.
AND THEN ALSO THAT ROOF PITCH AND THAT ROOF PLANE DROPPING BEHIND THE HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT AND THE HISTORICAL GABLE RIGHT BEHIND THAT GREEN OUTLINE HIGHLIGHTED AREA WHERE WE, UH, DROP THAT ROOF TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, UH, OF A, OF A LINE THERE AND A OF A SEPARATION.
SO THAT, UM, THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAD FROM LAST, LAST MONTH'S, UH, MEETING.
WE TOOK ALL OF THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION AND DID WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS, UM, MAKING RIGHT BY THOSE COMMENTS AND STAFF.
AND THE TASK FORCE IS, UH, IN FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, THEY HAVE AGREED THAT, THAT WE'VE DONE WHAT, WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE DONE THERE TO, TO ADDRESS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND THEN I WOULD JUST, UH, REQUEST THAT WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING AND LOOKING AT, AT THE ADDITION FURTHER TODAY, THAT, THAT WE DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT SHEET 10 JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO THE SIDE ELEVATIONS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS AND THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, MIGHT MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONS STAND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE HAVE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY LEADING UP TO OUR, OUR FIRST MEETING WITH LANDMARK AND SINCE OUR FIRST MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, NOT ONLY ARE WE MEETING ALL OF THE, UH, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE, UM, DOING WHAT WE CAN TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FROM A, THE VANTAGE POINT THAT, THAT WE SEE THE HOUSE BEING SEEN FROM, FROM THE STREET THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, DOING ANYTHING TO, UH, TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
AND YOU WILL HANG AROUND FOR QUESTIONS AFTER WE HEAR FROM OUR OTHER SPEAKERS, ROBERT REINS.
OH, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE, DO YOU GUYS ACTUALLY WANNA SPEAK? YEAH, WE, THEY WERE SIGNING MOSTLY UP AS SPEAKERS IN CASE THEY HAD QUESTIONS.
SO MARK TRIMBLE, THAT'S YOU AND WHO'S BRENT TIMMERMAN? HE WAS GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
WE HAVE, UH, MARK TRILL AND ROBERT REYES, THE OWNER.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO NEXT, IF THEY DON'T ACTUALLY NEED TO SPEAK, BUT IF YOU ARE GONNA ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME DO THE WHOLE NAME AND ADDRESS AND, UM, OKAY.
COME ON UP HERE AND PROMISE ME YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME THE TRUTH AND, ALRIGHT.
UH, SO MY NAME IS MARK TRILL, I'M CO-OWNER ALONG WITH MY PARTNER ROBERT.
UM, I LIVE AT 29 21 THOMAS AVENUE IN DALLAS.
UM, AND I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.
I LIVE IN 29 21 THOMAS AVENUE.
UM, AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.
SO NOW WE'RE GOOD, GOOD TO GO IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF APPLICANTS OR STAFF.
UH, GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER OFFIT.
WELL, FIRST, UH, I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR TAKING THE HEART AND THE COMMENTS AND REQUESTS MADE PRE THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND FOR YOUR TIME AND OUR DILIGENT WORK AND PROBABLY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO GET THIS RIGHT.
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QUESTION IS FOR STAFF, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS SUBMITTED, UM, MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA, CITY-WISE, INTERNATIONAL INTERIOR WISE, UH, WHETHER IT BE THE DELINEATION OR, UM, JUST, JUST EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WAY THIS IS ADMITTED MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.IS THAT CORRECT? MARCUS? IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND, AND THE, THE LOT COVERAGE AND ZONING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE COMPLETED THEIR ANALYSIS AND F AND HAVE FOUND THAT, THAT IT DOES AND IT WILL BE CONFIRMED BY BUILDING INSPECTIONS TO MAKE SURE, UH, THERE WILL BE NO PERMITS, UH, UM, UNTIL, UNTIL THAT IS DEFINITELY CONFIRMED AND IT DOES MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THE DESIGN CRITERIA AS, AS FAR AS OUR, AS FAR AS OUR ANALYSIS, IT DOES MEET THE STANDARDS.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER CUMMINS? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, EVEN THOUGH I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD WORK ON THIS AND WE'VE GONE THE RIGHT WAY, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO STILL ON IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE NEW ADDITION IS HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
UH, WHY AND WHAT ARE THE CEILING HEIGHTS IN THIS, IN THIS ADDITION THAT COULD BE DRIVING THE HEIGHT OF THAT? YES, SO THE, THE ADDITION IS, UH, IT IS HIGHER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
WE HAD AN INITIALLY SUBMITTED TO TASK FORCE, UM, BEFORE COMING FOR OUR FIRST, UH, LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING WITH THE RIDGE HEIGHT RAISED SO THAT IT WAS NOT, UM, AND IN THE, UH, ORDINANCE IT STATES THAT AS LONG AS WE ARE CONSIDERING THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN RAISE THAT RIDGE HEIGHT.
SO WE HAD DONE THAT AT, AT IN, IN THE INITIAL STAGE AND IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM TASK FORCE THAT WE LOWER THAT RIDGE LINE AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING RIDGE LINE.
UM, SO TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ON THE CEILING HEIGHTS, WE HAVE A 10 FOOT CEILING PLATE IN THE BACK AND A NINE FOOT CEILING PLATE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, 16 INCH FLOOR SYSTEM IN BETWEEN.
SO, UM, WE'RE NOT GOING EXCESSIVE ON THE CEILING HEIGHTS THERE.
AND WE HAVE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SHEET THAT'S UP RIGHT HERE WITH THE FRONT VANTAGE POINTS WITH IT, YOU, YOU'RE DOWN QUITE A BIT FROM THE STREET AND EVEN FROM THE FRONT YARD WHEN YOU'RE ON THE WATERFALL STEPS, IT'S STILL SET SO FAR BACK THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY, ANY VIEWPOINT OF THAT ADDITION HEIGHT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DID INITIALLY HAVE THAT RIDGE HEIGHT RAISED, SO WHEN YOU DID LOOK AT THE STRAIGHT ON ELEVATIONS, THE, THE HEIGHT WAS, UH, OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WAS, WAS HIGHER THAN THE ADDITION IN THE BACK.
UM, AND IT WOULD STILL BE LESS THAN THE, THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE, THE THE CLOSEST ADJACENT VICTORIAN STRUCTURE TO US.
SO YOU HAVE 10 FOOT CEILING HEIGHTS AND NINE NINE FOOT YOU SAID ON THE SECOND FLOOR? YES, SIR.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S SOME ROOM IN THERE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD BRING THAT DOWN.
I DO UNDERSTAND THE SIGHT LINES AND HOW YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE SIGHTLINE STUDIES TO TELL THE STORY, UM, ON HOW YOU WANT TO KIND OF MIGRATE TO THE, TO THE VIEWER SEEING IT.
UM, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ON THE, UM, THE ROOF LINE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE RIGHT HAND BUMP, THE RIGHT HAND FRONT OF THAT ADDITION.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO SEPARATE AND DELINEATE THAT, UH, FROM THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
BUT THE OTHER ISSUE I'M HAVING IS ALSO HOW IT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE, THE GABLE ON THE SIDE, HOW IT, YOU'VE GOT THIS INCREASED SQUARE FOOTAGE DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS, SO IT'S EXTENDING THAT ROOF LINE OUT FURTHER AND IT KIND OF CHANGES THAT QUITE A BIT TOO.
AND IT'S, IT'S AN ODDITY, UH, KIND OF STANDS OUT, UM, THAT IT'S NOT JUST A TYPICAL GABLE, UH, AT THIS, YOU KNOW, ON A BALANCED SITUATION.
UM, IS THERE ANY, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SHORTENING THAT UP SO THAT WOULDN'T BE SUCH AN ODDITY ON THAT ROOF LINE AND IS THERE WORK THERE THAT, THAT COULD BE TIGHTENED UP IF IT'S A SO, SO THIS
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IS THE SAME, THE SAME UH, ELEVATION REALLY THAT WE'RE, THAT WE HAD COULD, COULD, COULD MAYBE A, A BALANCED ROOF THERE WITH A FLAT ROOF TO EXTEND, GET THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU'RE DESIRING OUT THE BACK BUT NOT KIND OF GREAT GREATLY CHANGE THE THE ROOF LINE IT.YEAH, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE, THE, THE NEXT SHEET PLEASE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING, THE SECOND RENDERING DOWN, BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE DOING THERE WAS, UM, IN THAT STEP AND, AND EVEN IN THE, IN LAST MONTH'S MEETING IS, UM, MAINTAINING THAT FRONT RIDGE LINE OR I'M SORRY, UH, ROOF PITCH IN ORDER TO, AND, AND ESPEC ESPECIALLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID THE STEP.
SO THAT WAY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT STEP, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO PARALLEL ROOF ROOF PLANES GOING, UM, RATHER THAN, THAN CHANGING THE ROOF PITCH.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, UM, I I THINK THAT WE, WE COULD EASILY, YOU KNOW, RUN A FASCIA DOWN SO IT GAVE IT ALMOST LIKE A SHED ROOF TYPE OF LOOK FROM THERE RATHER THAN DOING LIKE A FLAT ROOF OFF OF THAT.
AND THAT WOULD GET US THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, RIGHT.
UM, THAT, THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY, WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO CHANGE THAT WALL.
UM, IF I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT THERE'S, AND FROM OUR VISUAL STUDIES, THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S TIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES THERE TO WHERE I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT, THAT SIDE VANTAGE POINT WHERE YOU REALLY GET THAT PERSPECTIVE OF THE DIFFERENT ROOF PLANES, BUT I THINK THAT WE COULD ABSOLUTELY EASILY RUN A, A FASCIA DOWN AT THE SAME PITCH PITCH TO GIVE THAT, UM, THAT APPEARANCE.
UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION AND I'LL, I'LL BE DONE.
I JUST, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S DRIVING THE LEFT HAND SMALL LITTLE SQUARE FOOTAGE BUMP OUT, UH, THAT STARTS IN THE BACK OF THE ORIGINAL RIGHT.
UM, WHAT ARE WE GAINING OUT OF DOING THAT? WHAT'S, IS THERE ANYTHING IMPEDING OR IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADD JUST ANOTHER TWO FEET OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE INTERIOR PART OF THE HOUSE AND THEN WE'RE HAVING THIS DRASTIC ODDITY OF, AND ONCE AGAIN ANOTHER ODDITY TO THE EXTERIOR OF HAVING THIS, THIS KIND OF WEIRD BUMP OUT AT THAT TIME.
UM, LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLANS, IT'S JUST SHOWING THAT IT'S JUST KIND OF INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE JUST A BIT.
TELL US WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, WHY, WHY YOU'RE NEEDING TO GET THAT BUMP OUT? IT, IT, IT'S THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE ADDITION WAS IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND WE WERE BASICALLY TAKING IT TO THE, TO THE SIDE SETBACK, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, THE FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
UM, IT WAS REQUESTED AND RECOMMENDED THAT WE GET RID OF THE SIDE ADDITION PORTION AND WE DID THAT.
SO IT, IT, I THINK THAT IT, UH, IF WE, YEAH, IN LOOKING AT THIS RENDERING HERE AT THE BOTTOM OR WHAT IS AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S REALLY THE SECOND TO THE BOTTOM, BUT IT'S UM, BOTTOM OF WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, THE, THE THIRD RENDERING DOWN IT, THE, UH, THE ADDITION STEPS THERE INSTEAD OF GOING IN.
UM, I I REALLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LEFT WHERE IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, MEETING AND THERE WEREN'T ANY COMMENTS ON HOW WE WERE COMING OUT TO THE SIDE THERE.
SO WE, UH, WE KEPT THAT GOING TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AS, AS WE HAD HAD IT BEFORE.
UM, PERSONALLY I THINK THAT WE'RE GIVING IT ABOUT THE SAME DELINEATION AS WE WOULD IF IT WAS GOING IN VERSUS GOING OUT.
UM, E ESPECIALLY FROM A, FROM A NOT, NOT VERY MUCH SEEN GABLE PERSPECTIVE.
AND, AND JUST TO FURTHER RESPOND TO THAT, UH, ANY UNWILLINGNESS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT PERCEIVE AS UNWILLINGNESS HERE IS NOT UNWILLINGNESS AT ALL? WE ARE HOPING THAT OUR COMMENTS THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED IN AND, AND OUR, OUR, UM, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE TAKEN UP FROM LAST HEARING THAT WE'VE DONE, IT'S, IT'S MORE SO THAT WE'RE HERE AGAIN IN THE HOPES OF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T KEEP MOVING THE GOALPOST SO TO SPEAK.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING CORRECT.
THIS COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, I'VE GOT SOMEBODY HERE TOO, DON.
AND WE DO, WE ALL APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU LISTEN TO WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME 'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY DOES AND VENT TO THESE EFFORTS TO TRY TO MEET IT, IT IS OF COURSE UNSETTLING IF WE WERE TO DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T MENTION LAST TIME NOW, BUT IF WE DEEMED IT TO BE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT, THEN WE SHOULD AT LEAST DISCUSS IT.
COMMISSIONER RENE? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
UM, SO I KNOW, OR AT LEAST FROM THE LAST SUBMISSION, THAT THE FENCE IS NOT PART OF THE SUBMISSION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, AND YOU'LL, UM, UNDERSTAND MY, MY, UH, LINE OF QUESTIONING HERE IN A MOMENT, BUT, UM, I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF THERE ARE ANY FENCE, UM, REQUIREMENTS THAT, UM, THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD THE, THE SIDE FENCE ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO THERE'S ALREADY AN
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EXISTING FENCE THERE, SO THAT, AND UNLESS THEY WANT TO CHANGE DEFENSE, IT, IT CAN REMAIN WHERE IT IS.BUT WE DO HAVE FENCE REGULATIONS AND I IT'S, I I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
WELL, SO THE REASON I'M ASKING IS THAT, UM, UM, IN THE GABLE, THE TYPIC OR IN OTHER, UH, DISTRICTS, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT CERTAIN OF OF STATE THOMAS, UH, BUT GENERALLY FENCES ARE RESTRICTED TO, UM, AN ARCHITECTURAL FE, IF NOT 50% THEN AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THE SIDE YARD.
AND, UM, BECAUSE, SO NOW WE'VE, UM, UM, WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, THAT THE ELEVATION HAS NOW NOT OVER, IS NO LONGER OVERLAPPING THE, THE EXISTING HOME.
HOWEVER, I'VE SEEN OR I'VE NOTICED THAT THE, THE WINDOW PLACEMENT IS NOT IN THE CENTER ANYMORE.
AND SO IF, IF, UH, SUBMISSION FOR THE FENCE CAME LATER AND IT DOES HAVE TO BE PUSHED BACK NOW, IT WILL BE NOTICEABLE THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT IN THE CENTER OF THE GABLE.
UM, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THOSE WINDOWS ARE LINING UP WITH A SINK.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE CABINETRY CAN BE SHIFTED AROUND SO THAT THAT CAN FALL IN THE CENTER OF THE GABLE.
LIKEWISE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, UH, OF THE HOME ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THOSE DOUBLE WINDOWS ARE NOT IN THE CENTER OF THE GABLE EITHER.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S COVERING IT UP RIGHT NOW OR IS HELPING COVER IT UP IS THE FENCE.
THE FACT THAT THE FENCE IS ALL THE WAY AT THE FRONT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IF THERE'S NO, UM, IF, IF THERE'S NO ORDINANCE, UH, UH, RESTRICTING THE FENCE PLACEMENT, THEN IT BECOMES LESS OF AN ISSUE OR, OR PERHAPS A NON-ISSUE.
THERE THERE IS A, IF THERE WERE TO BE A NEW FENCE PROPOSAL, THEN THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES.
THAT FENCE WOULD NEED TO BE, WOULD NEED TO GO BACK THUMB.
THE LONGER ANSWER IS THAT FOR THE PURPOSE OF SCREENING, THE COMMISSION CAN USE THE EXCEPTION RULE AND, AND ALLOW IT FOR WHERE IT IS NOW BASICALLY OR FURTHER FORWARD.
I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH BOTH OF THE ARCHITECTURE ON THE COMMISSION.
I BELIEVE THAT THE GABLES ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE, THE ORIGINAL GABLES INCLUDING THE, THE ADDITION, WHICH IS THE GABLE NEED TO BE AS THEY ARE ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, NEED TO BE SYMMETRICAL AND THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.