[Community Police Oversight Board on January 9, 2024.]
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TODAY IS TUESDAY, UH, JANUARY 9TH, AND THE TIME IS FIVE FORTY FIVE.
I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD TO ORDER.
UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO, UH, WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY NEW YEAR AND, UM, JUST, UM, IF WE COULD, UH, GET EVERYONE TO JUST KIND OF REPLY WITH WHEN YOU WANNA SPEAK UP, ESPECIALLY AS WE START GOING THROUGH SOME OF THESE DISCUSSION ITEMS. THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP TRACK AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S GETTING AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO COMMENT ON ANY DISCUSSION ITEMS. OKAY? UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, DO WE HAVE A, AN OPEN MIC SPEAKER FOR TONIGHT? MR. CHAIR? WE, WE HAD, UH, UH, DOLORES, PHIL, OR DOLORES, UH, BUT SHE IS NOT HERE AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE? MR. WILLIAMS? OKAY.
LET'S, UH, LET'S GET ON WITH, UM, SO WE HAVE THE, UH, UH, I WAS REVIEWING THE MINUTES, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING.
I'VE GOT SOME VERY SMALL, UM, UM, CHANGES MR. TO MAKE TO IT.
MR. CHAIR, I THINK YOU NEED TO CALL THE ROLL.
I THINK YOU NEED TO CALL THE ROLE.
UM, I WILL, UH, I MEAN, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN, WE CAN CALL A ROLL HERE SHORTLY.
SO WE KNOW WHO'S HERE AND YEAH.
UM, SO REVIEWING THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UM, THERE'S SOME SMALL CHANGES IF YOU GUYS WOULD REVIEW, MAKE SURE THERE'S, UH, NO ISSUES.
LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU, UH, MADE A MOTION OR MADE A SECOND, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ALL OF THAT'S OKAY.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, UM, WE'LL HAVE THE DIRECTOR AND THE STAFF, UM, MAKE SOME SMALL UPDATES AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
UM, STARTING WITH THE ROLL CALL.
DISTRICT ONE, I BELIEVE IS STILL VACANT.
DISTRICT 10 I BELIEVE IS STILL VACANT.
MS. WADSWORTH ARE YOU? LINE DIDN'T SHOW ANYBODY.
DISTRICT 14 IS NOT ONLINE EITHER.
UM, SO EVERYBODY REVIEWING THE MINUTES, UM, ARE THERE, IF THERE'S JUST SMALL PEN AND INK CHANGES, ADMIN, ADMIN ERROR, YOU KNOW, CHANGES, SPELLING, WHATEVER, UM, IF YOU WILL ANNOTATE THOSE, BUT OTHERWISE CAN WE GET A LOOK AT, UH, GET THESE MINUTES AND GET A MOTION? DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
IS THERE A SECOND? I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE MOVE TO DO THAT, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE SOME CHANGES.
YEAH, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE, UM, UH, MR. DAVIDSON IN THE PRESENT COLUMN WHEN HE WAS ABSENT.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA MOVE THAT ONE OVER TO THE ABSENT COLUMN.
AND THEN THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MISSING COLON MARK ON THE TIME.
THERE'S SOME, UM, SOME JUST, JUST GRAMMATICAL AREAS.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE.
ON THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? YES MA'AM.
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TOO FAST, BUT THERE'S NO PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION ON WHICH ONE LISTED ON THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.MR. KITNER JUST MADE THAT NO, FROM LAST MONTH.
THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UH, CAN WE GET A VOTE FOR, UH, YES.
CAN WE GET A VOTE FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? AYE.
I'LL, UH, I'LL BRING THESE OVER TO YOU.
I'LL JUST SLIDE THESE OVER TO YOU HERE SHORTLY.
OKAY, STARTING WITH THIS EVENING, WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT A FEW ACTION ITEMS. WE'VE GOT FIVE CASES THAT WERE HELD OVER FROM LAST MONTH.
UM, THE O CPO'S OFFICE, UM, LOADED THESE VIDEOS ON THE SHAREPOINT AS WELL AS, UH, MR. GRIFFIN WILL SHOW SOME OF THESE VIDEOS AS WELL.
WE WILL GO THROUGH THEM ONE AT A TIME AND WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON EACH ONE ON WHETHER WE WANT TO DO AN INVESTIGATION, UM, OR NOT.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL MAKE IT THROUGH THESE, UH, THESE FIVE AND WE'LL MOVE AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UH, NEXT UPDATE.
CAN I JUST STATE, I'M SORRY, THIS IS ALISON GRINDER, ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE MM-HMM.
I THINK A LOT OF US ARE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS GETTING TO THE SHAREPOINT.
IF WE COULD JUST DEMONSTRATE FOR THE RECORD HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THESE VIDEOS BEFOREHAND.
UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO HAS IT AND WHO DOESN'T.
I GONE, I GO ONTO THE SHARED DRIVE.
WHEN I WENT ONTO THE SHARED DRIVE, I COULD NOT ACCESS THE VIDEO.
I HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE SHARED DRIVE AND I HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE SHARED DRIVE.
HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS? I BELIEVE I PREVIOUSLY HAD ACCESS, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO CHECK BEFORE THIS MEETING.
DO YOU HAVE ACCESS? OKAY, SO IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE FOUR OF US DON'T.
PLEASE SEND, PLEASE SEND YOUR NAMES.
UM, SEND AN EMAIL TO THE DIRECTOR AND PLEASE LET HER KNOW WHAT ISSUES YOU'RE HAVING SPECIFICALLY.
AND I SENT AN EMAIL LAST MONTH AS WELL.
ANYTHING FURTHER WITH, UH, THE ACCESS TO THE SHARE DRIVE? WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THE PERMISSIONS ON THAT SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
UH, MR. GRIFFIN, DO YOU WANNA START WITH OUR FIRST VIDEO? OKAY.
UH, SO THE FIRST CASE WILL BE FOR CARLOS AND HE WAS REQUESTING, UH, THAT HIS COMPLAINT BE, UH, REVIEWED COMMUNITY BOARD, UH, HIS ORIGINAL COMPLAINT ON 14TH.
AND HE FILED A COMPLAINT STATING THAT THE POLICE OFFICER THAT THEY INCORRECTLY ENTERED HIS ACCIDENT REPORT, THAT HE SUBMITTED THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE COMPLAINT WAS REVIEWED AND INVESTIGATION WAS CONDUCTED ON OCTOBER 19TH, A LETTER TO THAT VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENT WOLF.
HE SUBSEQUENTLY THEN FILE A REQUEST FOR A CIVILIAN REVIEW FORM TO HAVE HIS CASE REVIEWED.
AND SO, AND, AND IN THAT, AND IN THAT SENSE, UH, THE DPD OFFICER JUDGE, THE ALLEGATION WAS REPORT I'M NOT LISTING THE CORRECT AMOUNT, UH, DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE IN THE CAR REPORT.
AND HE ALSO FELTED THAT HE WAS RACIALLY PROFILED.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, MR, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND PLAY THE VIDEO FOR MR. DAVIS?
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MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU PLAY THE VIDEO FOR OH, OH OH.I DUNNO IF YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT VIDEO.
WHAT'S, UH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN, IF I CAN'T DO IT.
IS IT NOT COMING UP? UH, DAVIS? YES.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, THE BOTTOM REPORT.
THIS IS THE VIDEO WHERE, WHERE HE ACTUALLY WENT IN TO FILE THIS REPORT.
EVERYONE, THE, UH, THE, UH, WE'RE HAVING SOME IT ISSUES SEEMS THAT IT'S, UH, FROZEN UP ON US.
LET'S, UM, LET'S COME BACK TO THAT ONE.
ALRIGHT, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, THREE A, WHICH IS, UH, AN
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UPDATE ON THE DILL LANE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.THERE WERE, I'M SORRY, OCPO IS ACTIVELY MONITORING THE IAD INVESTIGATION.
THE LAST REPORT IS THAT, UH, MR. LANE'S COMPLAINT, UH, WAS IN DRAFT STATUS AND WAS UNDER REVIEW.
UM, MAJOR ALANIS, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE, UNMUTE MAJOR LANIS.
CAN YOU ATTEMPT TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? HEY, DIRECTOR, HOW ABOUT WE JUST MOVE ON TO, UH, THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL AND LET THEM SWEAR WITH THE, ITS OKAY.
ALRIGHT, EVERYONE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THREE B.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THREE A AS WELL AS TWO A AND THE FIVE REVIEWS.
MOVING ON TO THREE B AS A TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL UPDATE.
AND I KNOW WE SENT THAT MEMO, UH, TO THE CITY MANAGER, UH, LAST MONTH.
UM, OCPO IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO SOURCE CANDIDATES FOR THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL.
UH, PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATE WILL BE, UH, REQUIRED TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS ELECTRONICALLY ACCOMPANIED BY THEIR RESUME.
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START AS EARLY AS THIS WEEK.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL AND WHERE IT STANDS AT THE MOMENT? HOW'S IT GOING? DO WE HAVE ANY CANDIDATES INTERESTED? THE, THE PROCESS IS TO SPOT THIS WEEK, SO THE PROCESS BY LIKE TO PUT OUT FEELERS TO GET, TO GET FOLKS IN YES.
UM, IS THE DATA DASHBOARD SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WITHOUT, UH, RELYING ON IT? OKAY.
MOVING ON TO THREE C-O-C-P-O DATA DASHBOARD DIRECTOR.
THE OFFICE OF OCPO IS PRESENTLY COLLABORATING WITH THE DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENT OFFICE TO CONSTRUCT A DASHBOARD INTENDED TO DISSEMINATE, UM, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT HEAT MAP.
THIS DASHBOARD WILL ENCOMPASS DEMOGRAPHICS INCLUDING RACE, AGE, GENDER, ZIP CODE, AND COMPLAINT TYPES.
SO THIS WILL GIVE AN OVERALL PICTURE OF THE TYPES OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVE, THE AREAS THAT WE RECEIVE THEM FROM, AND WHO IS COMPLAINING.
THIS WILL BE UPDATED ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
AND THIS REPORT CAN ALSO, UH, SERVE AS A RESOURCE WHEN REPORTING, UH, THE ANNUAL REVIEW OR THE ANNUAL REPORT OUT.
BUT IT WILL CONTINUOUSLY BE AVAILABLE ON THE OCPO WEBSITE.
AND, UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING, THE OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS NOW.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A HARD, FAST, UH, DATE OF WHEN THIS MAY, UH, COME TO FRUITION, BUT I BELIEVE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS IT SHOULD BE UP AND RUNNING.
UM, I WAS AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE COMMITTEE MEETING YESTERDAY AND, UH, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH, UH, SOME OF THE PERSONNEL FROM, UH, UH, THE DATA ANALYSIS TEAM AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.
UM, THEY PUT TOGETHER A REALLY NICE DASHBOARD FOR, UH, THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, CHAIRED BY, UH, CHAIR WILLIS.
AND, UM, IT, IT LOOKED REALLY NICE.
SO I'M, I'M REALLY, UM, HAPPY TO SEE THAT.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOMETHING SIMILAR, UM, THAT WILL HELP US KIND OF SEE, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY, UM, AS A WHOLE, UM, AND KIND OF HELP US, UM, DETERMINE WHERE WE WANT TO, WHERE WE NEED TO ENGAGE OR WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS OUR, OUR EFFORTS AS A BOARD AND ON SOME WHAT TOPICS, UM, SPECIFICALLY.
SO IF THERE'S NO IS ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS INCLUDING ONLINE, UM, UM, BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN AND WADSWORTH? UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ONLINE? UH, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE THE CHAT.
D ARE THE, ARE THE PEOPLE ONLINE ABLE TO RESPOND? IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO.
WE HAVE OCPO HIRING, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
SO THE OFFICE OF OCPO HAS, UH, BEGUN RECRUITING FOR THE MEDIATION MANAGER AND THE POLICY ANALYST POSITION, UM, A VERBAL, AND AS OF TODAY, A FORMAL OFFER HAS BEEN EXTENDED AND ACCEPTED BY THE MEDIATION MANAGER.
UM, IT WILL TAKE A FEW WEEKS TO GO THROUGH THE ONBOARDING PROCESS, BUT, UH, THAT PERSON SHOULD BE FULLY BOARDED, IF NOT BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, THE BEGINNING OF NEXT MONTH.
UM, AND THE POLICY ANALYST, UH, INTERVIEWS HAVE STARTED AND THEY DO CONTINUE.
WE EXPECT TO, WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, HAVE A DECISION MADE ON THE POLICY ANALYST POSITION.
IN ADDITION, UM, OCPO, THE OCPO DIRECTOR POSITION IS SUPPOSED TO POST TODAY.
I CHECKED EARLIER TODAY AND IT WAS NOT YET POSTED, BUT I DID REACH OUT TO HUMAN RESOURCES TO SEE IF IT WAS GONNA POST BY THE END OF THE DAY.
BUT SOMETIME THIS WEEK, THAT POSITION SHOULD BE POSTED AND RECRUITMENT SHOULD BEGIN.
UM, WE WILL BE POSTING THIS TO THE CITY WEBSITE AS WELL AS NATIONAL ASSOCIATIONS, UM, THAT ARE RELEVANT TO OCPO.
IN ADDITION, WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO, UH, DALLAS COMMUNITY ACTION GROUPS AS WELL AS SELECTING, UH, MEMBERS FROM THE BOARD TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SELECTION PROCESS.
AND THE VICE CHAIR, YOU'LL ASSIST IN DETERMINING HOW
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THAT WILL, UM, WHO WILL BE SELECTED.UM, JUST, UH, SOME, SOME RUMOR MILL KIND OF INFORMATION.
I'VE, I HEARD, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED THAT, THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL, UH, NEW CHAIR FOR THE BOARD.
UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING FORMALLY.
UM, AS SOON AS I'M ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT, WE WILL PUSH IT OUT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
NO, UH, FURTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THE OCPO HIRING, SIR VICE CHAIR.
UH, THIS IS DISTRICT 15, UH, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
I KNOW READING THROUGH THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING, YOU SAID THERE WAS FOUR POTENTIAL, UH, HIRES AND, UH, ONE OF THEM IS THE INVESTIGATOR, UH, POSITION THAT, UH, THAT IS VACANT CURRENTLY.
UM, THAT POSITION IS VACANT AND THERE, UM, I'M WORKING TO GET IT POSTED.
IT HAS NOT YET POSTED, BUT WE'LL START RECRUITING ON THAT AS SOON AS THAT POSITION POST AS WELL.
AND I WOULD ROUGHLY SAY WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS THAT SHOULD BE POSTED.
THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT ON HERE, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THOSE CASES THAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON TODAY, THAT WHETHER WE AS A BOARD WOULD LIKE FOR THESE CASES TO UNDERGO AN, AN INVESTIGATION IF BY CHANCE WE VOTE TO INVESTIGATE, UM, HOW WILL THE, WHO WILL DO THAT? UM, I HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, CONTACTED AN INDEPENDENT VENDOR, UM, TO ASSIST WITH INVESTIGATIONS THAT MAY COME IN.
UM, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING WITH ANOTHER POTENTIAL VENDOR, UH, TO ASSIST, UH, BOTH OUR LAW OFFICES.
UM, AND THEY WOULD ASSIST US IN THE MEANTIME UNTIL SOMEONE IS PUT IN THOSE POSITIONS PERMANENTLY.
SO IT'LL BE A CONTRACT UNTIL WE HIRE SOMEONE AND CORRECT.
AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS POSITION IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS HOPEFULLY WILL POST BE POSTED.
SO, AND THIS IS, THIS IS PROBABLY JUST A, AS A TAXPAYER, SO WE HAD AN INVESTIGATOR, THE INVESTIGATOR IS NOT AN INVESTIGATOR ANYMORE FOR THE CITY, BUT WE'RE GONNA HIRE A CONTRACTED FIRM, WHICH I'M SURE IS GONNA CHARGE MORE THAN THE INVESTIGATOR WE HAD.
AND THEY'RE GONNA BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT TYPE OF COMPANY.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS ARE THEY GONNA BE PARTIAL OR, I MEAN, IT, I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MOVING SLOWLY TOWARD A BLUE BOARD JUST SLOWLY, SLOWLY TOWARD A BLUE BOARD.
WHEN I CAME ON BOARD HERE TO, I WAS TAPPED BY DISTRICT TWO, COUNCILMEN, THE COUNCILMEN, TO LISTEN AND REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF DISTRICT TWO.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO.
AND IT'S REALLY CONFUSING TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COMING FROM TC, I'M SORRY, THE CITY MANAGER, MR. BROX OR SOMEONE ELSE.
BUT WE AS A BOARD AND I, I I, I THINK I, I SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD, REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, AND WE WANNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE, IN THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION TO WHERE I'M REPRESENTING SOMETHING OR BEING A PART OF SOMETHING THAT SEEMS ONE-SIDED.
AND I'VE ALREADY BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THAT WITH COMMUNITY PEOPLE.
IT'S HARD TO DEFEND AND SAY THAT THIS ISN'T A BS BOARD BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS I SEE LOOK LIKE BSS.
SO I JUST NEEDED TO GET THAT OFF OF MY CHEST AS WE GO INTO 2024 AND, AND CHANGE A FEW THINGS AND, AND, AND INCORPORATE A FEW THINGS.
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD AN INVESTIGATOR.
BUT THE INVESTIGATOR DOESN'T WORK FOR US ANYMORE, BUT HE DOES WORK FOR US.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO HIRE AN OUTSIDE GROUP THAT I KNOW IS GONNA COST MORE MONEY.
MAY I JUST ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO GO AHEAD.
WHAT'S BEEN SAID JUST HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE FIRST GOT STARTED, WHICH IS IN OCTOBER OF 2019, FOUR YEARS AGO, WE DID NOT HAVE A DIRECTOR.
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UM, HIRE AN OUTSIDE ENTITY, NOT A LAW FIRM, BUT IT WAS SOME INVESTIGATION GROUP IN FORT WORTH TO DO THE DIAMOND ROSS INVESTIGATION.THE ONE WE HAVEN'T, THEY COMPLETED, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT BECAUSE IT'S IN LITIGATION.
SO THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR HIRING OUTSIDE, UM, SOMEBODY OUTSIDE.
UH, IT WASN'T A LAW FIRM AND I, I'M NOT MAKING A COMMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER HIRING SOMEBODY OUTSIDE IS GONNA BE BIASED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, I DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO ADDRESS THAT.
IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE A WASTE OF MONEY, UH, OF THE TAXPAYERS TO DO THAT.
AND IF, AS MR. DAVIDSON SAYS, WE VOTE TO, UM, DO AN IN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON ANY OF THESE FIVE, I GUESS THE OPTION IS TO HOLD OFF DOING THE INVESTIGATION UNTIL WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON BOARD TO DO THAT.
NOW, HAVING SAID ALL THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE REORGANIZATION THAT WASN'T SHARED WITH US.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANYBODY WAS OR WHY MR. WILLIAMS IS NOT THE INVESTIGATOR ANYMORE.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH US.
SO, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S WITHIN OUR POWER.
IF YOU THINK, AND I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THAT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY AN ENTITY OTHER THAN OUR INVESTIGATOR IS NOT GONNA BE FAIR, THEN LET'S JUST HOLD OFF DOING IT.
AND, AND
THEN WE HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY EXTEND AN OFFER.
AND THAT MAY TAKE ANOTHER 90 DAYS.
SO IT MAY BE SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE GET AROUND TO YOU THAT DON'T HOLD WATER WITH ME.
I, I'M MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE.
THE PROBLEM WITH HOLDING OFF IS THE EVIDENCE THAT WE WOULD NEED WILL BE ERASED.
I'M, I'M DISAGREEING WITH THAT EITHER.
I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE CHOICES HERE.
I I'M, I'M VERY SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THE LANE INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THERE'S SOME VIDEOS THAT WE DID NOT VIEW REGARDING SOME OF THE OFFICERS THAT WERE INVOLVED.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF DPD HELD ONTO THOSE VIDEOS AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO HOLD ONTO THEM BEYOND A CERTAIN TIME.
AND I THINK THIS WHOLE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DELAYED FOR THAT REASON, SO THAT ANYTHING WE, THEY DON'T WANT US TO SEE WILL BE ERASED.
UM, THIS TRANSITION PERIOD, I UNDERSTAND IT'S FRUSTRATING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT INFORMATION YOU'RE HEARING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT GIVES ANYONE THE IDEA THAT THIS IS TURNING INTO A BLUE BOARD.
WE'VE GOT SOME PERSONNEL CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, UM, OUT OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE DIRECTOR'S CONTROL.
SO, AND I ALSO DON'T WANNA DISPARAGE DPD AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, INSINUATING THAT THEY MAY BE HOLDING BACK ON VIDEOS.
I FIRST, I THINK THAT WE, I THOUGHT WE SAW ALL THE VIDEOS THAT WE SAW.
THE TWO OFFICERS THAT SHOWED UP THAT WERE ON DUTY, THERE WERE TWO OFFICERS INSIDE THE, UH, INSIDE THE ESTABLISHMENT THAT DIDN'T HAVE THEIR CAMERAS, UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT.
SO, I DON'T KNOW WHICH OTHER VIDEOS YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, BUT, UM, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW, PLEASE SAY, WELL, TWO POLICE OFFICERS WENT IN.
RIGHT? BUT WE ONLY SAW ONE VIDEO, SO THAT MEANS THE OTHER OFFICER DIDN'T HAVE THEIR VIDEO ON.
WE SAW IT, WE SAW IT FROM THE, THE MALE AND THERE WAS A FEMALE.
MY, MY RECOLLECTION WAS, SO I JUST, AND JUST TO SUPPLEMENT, 'CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE VICE CHAIR SAYS.
I, I MEAN, WE'RE IN A PERIOD HERE, IT SEEMS TO ME WHERE WE HAD A DIRECTOR, WE HAD AN INVESTIGATOR, THINGS WERE MOVING ALONG, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE NO LONGER HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR.
WE NO LONGER HAVE A DIRECTOR AND OUR CHAIR'S NO LONGER THERE.
SO IT IS A VERY MUCH IN FLUXX SITUATION, AND I THINK IT'S WRONG TO DRAW ANY SORT OF RIGHT BAD CO CONCLUSIONS AT THIS POINT.
IF IT BECOMES JUSTIFIED AND WE SEE IT, THEN, THEN WE CAN RAISE SOMETHING.
BUT I THINK TO ASSUME BECAUSE OF ALL OF THIS, THAT
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THIS IS A BLUE BOARD, AND I ASSUME THAT MEANS PRO-POLICE.I, I DON'T THINK IT'S CORRECT.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE FACTS OR ANYTHING, BUT MY RECOLLECTION ON, I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE WOULD VOTE ON, NOT MR. LANE, BUT WITH MR. LANE, MY RECOLLECTION IS WHEN IAD FIRST LOOKED AT THIS MATTER AND DISMISSED IT, THEY DID NOT HAVE THE VIDEOS.
AND I THINK IF THEY HAD HAD THE VIDEOS, THIS IS MY BELIEF, WE WOULD'VE HAD A DIFFERENT RESULT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY BELIEF.
BUT NOW IT'S IN THE PROCESS AND WE JUST NEED TO LET IT PLAY OUT.
BUT, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT THIS BOARD IS GONNA CALL IT LIKE IT SEES IT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A BIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UH, DISTRICT NINE? YES, MA'AM.
I HAVE JUST A BIT OF FRIENDLY EXPERIENCE TO SHARE ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, I USE PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS ALL THE TIME FOR DEFENSE PURPOSES.
I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY PROBLEMS WITH, UM, LOYALTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AS LONG AS WE'RE USING TRUSTED FOLKS, I CAN RECOMMEND SEVERAL AND THINK WE MIGHT FIND THAT BRINGING ON PIS IS AN EASIER AND QUICKER SOLUTION IN THIS INTERIM PERIOD THAN GETTING ANYBODY HIRED THROUGH THE CITY, BECAUSE THAT, AS WE CAN VERY EASILY TELL, TAKES FOREVER.
UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP A POINT, UM, THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THINGS GETTING DELETED.
I THINK IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE STANDARD PRACTICE FOR US TO SEND A SPOLIATION LETTER AS SOON AS WE BECOME INTERESTED IN A CASE OR AN INCIDENT AND JUST PUT DPD ON NOTICE THAT WE INTEND TO LOOK AT IT, AND THAT THEY SHOULD NOT DELETE ANY, UM, VIDEOS OR ANY OTHER EVIDENCE THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD PRACTICE IN THE LEGAL FIELD.
AND IT CAN BE SENT, UH, PRETTY EASILY.
WE ALSO IN OCPO HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF SAVING THE VIDEOS.
AND I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, DOCTOR, THAT WE CAN SAVE VIDEO.
SO THE STANDARD PRACTICE IS FOR THEM TO, UM, ERASE AFTER 60 DAYS.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE CAN SAVE THE, THE VIDEO IN, IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE ASKED TO SEE VIDEO, THE VIDEO HAD BEEN DELETED, SO ON OTHER, SO, UM, THAT IS WHY I, I STATED THAT YEAH, IT MIGHT BE WORTH A LETTER.
I, AND, AND, AND LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT ACCUSING ANYBODY OF ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST WHEN I LOOK AT THIS FROM A THOUSAND FOOT VIEW AND PERSONALLY WHEN YOU BLOW THINGS UP, 'CAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH RIGHT AFTER THE LANE CASE, EVERYTHING WAS JUST BLOWN UP.
DIRECTOR'S GONE, INVESTIGATOR'S GONE, AND THEN CHAIRMAN'S GONE.
SO WHEN YOU JUST BLOW THINGS UP LIKE THAT, IT, MY WHEELS AUTOMATICALLY START TO TURN.
AND, AND WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE POWER OF ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A UNION BEHIND THEM, AND ALL THE CITY'S ATTORNEYS, A CITIZEN HAS WHAT? THAT SHOULD BE OUR CONCERN, THE CITIZEN.
BECAUSE IF THEY TAKE THE TIME TO FILE A COMPLAINT, AND WE KNOW SOME COMPLAINTS AREN'T REALLY STRONG, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE AS THIS BOARD ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE DONE CORRECTLY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS BECOME A BLUE BOARD, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST US.
AND I'M SITTING ON THIS BOARD WITH YOU AND THAT BLATANTLY SAYS, JONATHAN, WE DON'T TRUST YOU.
IF I TAKE ON SOMETHING, I TAKE IT PERSONAL AND I DO MY BEST.
AND LET ME, LET ME JUST FINISH WITH ONE FINAL THING.
I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT THIS SHOULDN'T BE A BLUE BOARD, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ANTI BLUE BOARD EITHER.
WE OUGHT TO CALL IT BE OBJECTIVE ABOUT IT.
I CAME IN HERE, I DON'T HAVE ANY PRECONCEPTIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND I INTEND TO CALL IT AS I SEE IT, AND I DON'T HAVE A PRO-POLICE OR ANTI-POLICE BIAS.
AND I THINK IF WE START HAVING AN ANTI-POLICE BIAS, THAT'S GONNA BE JUST AS BAD AS, AS THE APPEARANCE OF A QUOTE BLUE BOARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE OCPO HIRING? NONE.
I, I HAD A GENERAL POINT ON THE TECHNICAL ISSUES.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, UH, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE ONLINE CAN HEAR US AT ALL.
HE'S WORKING THAT ON THE, THEY CERTAINLY CAN'T.
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WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THAT.IF THE OTHER MEMBERS WHO ARE ONLINE CANNOT HEAR US AND CANNOT PARTICIPATE, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? WE HAVE A QUORUM, YES.
WE HAVE A QUORUM IN THIS ROOM.
LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT FALL, FALL BEHIND SO THAT WHEN WE GET BACK ON TRACK WITH OUR IT, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BE ON TRACK.
MOVING ON TO THREE E, THE DPD MONTHLY ARREST DATA.
AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, THE DATA THAT IS PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, FROM DPD.
UM, IF YOU GUYS, UM, I, I FIND THIS INFORMATIVE.
IT SHOWS WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR DISTRICTS.
UM, BUT IF YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE THIS AND DON'T WANNA SEE THAT, UM, WE CAN SCRATCH THIS FROM THE AGENDA.
BUT ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY I LIKE IT.
IT SAYS A LOT, ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT.
WE'VE STARTED TO INCLUDE TWO MONTHS OF DATA SO THAT YOU HAVE A COMPARATIVE FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUS, THE PREVIOUS MONTH OVER THE NEXT MONTH AS WELL.
GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO REVIEW ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DPD MONTHLY ARREST DATE OF I? OKAY.
DISCUSSION OF CPOB TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
UH, THREE F IS, UH, ALL THE AVAILABLE TRAINING THROUGH DPT.
UM, IT IS PRIORITIZED AS BELOW.
IF THERE'S ANYONE INTERESTED IN ANY PARTICULAR TRAININGS, IF YOU COULD REACH OUT INDICATING WHAT TRAININGS YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, AND I CAN WORK WITH THE DPD UH, TRAINING TEAM TO DETERMINE, UH, WHEN THAT NEXT CLASS MAY BE AVAILABLE.
DIRECTOR, CAN I, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? IN THE PAST, I THINK WE'VE HAD TWO OF THESE.
UM, THEY WERE SATURDAY MORNING AT THE TRAINING CENTER OUT REDBIRD, AND, UM, THEY WERE PRETTY WELL ATTENDED.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT MAYBE FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR, WE SCHEDULE ONE EVERY, SAY THREE MONTHS.
AND THAT PROBABLY PEOPLE CAN GET IT ON THEIR CALENDAR AND THEY CAN COME IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, IF IT'S ONE THEY WANT TO, OR, AND, YOU KNOW, GET SOME INDICATION AHEAD OF TIME.
SO ONLY TWO, NOT HAVE JUST TWO PEOPLE SHOW UP, BUT, YOU KNOW, GET ENOUGH INDICATION OF INTEREST THAT THEY'LL HAVE IT AT THAT TIME.
THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE IT IN ADVANCE AND, AND DO IT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ONE OF THESE NOR SHOULD THEY FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE.
IT'S JUST NOT COST EFFECTIVE, SO TO SPEAK.
SO IF YOU COULD MAYBE THINK ABOUT SCHEDULING A YEAR OUT, LIKE EVERY THREE MONTHS, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN PUT IT ON THEIR CALENDARS AND GO FROM THERE.
MAYBE WE CAN ADD THAT TO A FUTURE AGENDA.
UM, I'M SURE THE TRAINING IS GOOD, BUT, UH, IT'D BE GOOD TO KIND OF NOTE, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S, UH, UH, WHAT, LIKE A YEAR, TWO YEARS OLD NOW, ROUGHLY.
IT'D BE KIND OF GOOD TO GET A UPDATE FROM THEM ON, ON WHAT IS, WHAT IS GOING ON IN RIGHT.
CARE AND, UM, WHAT ISSUES THEY MIGHT BE SEEING, UM, AND WHERE WE MAY BE ABLE TO ASSIST OR AT LEAST VOICE AN OPINION ON.
I WILL WORK ON, UH, CONTACTING THAT TEAM, UM, TO INVITE TO AN UPCOMING BOARD MEETING.
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THIS TRAINING, ARE THESE DONE INDIVIDUALLY OR ARE THEY ALL AT THE SAME TIME? NO, THEY'RE A GROUP SCHEDULING.I'M SORRY, WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE.
UH, AS, AS IT AS IT RELATES TO SEEING WHAT POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH IN THE FIELD AND HOW THEY MAKE SPLIT THIS SPLIT SECOND DECISIONS, SO THAT, THAT IS GOOD TO LEARN.
ANY OTH ANY OTHER UPDATES ON, UH, THREE F FOR TRAINING? NO, MA'AM.
NO FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE GROUP ON THAT ONE.
DECEMBER, WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I, I, I, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET OVER IT.
UM, SO WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING IN DECEMBER, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
IT'LL BE JANUARY 31ST AT 1:00 PM.
UM, AND WE THINK WE HAVE AN A HALF HOUR BLOCKED OFF.
UM, AT THAT MEETING, I INTEND TO DISCUSS THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, UM, HOW THAT'S WORKING, WHERE WE'RE AT.
BE KIND OF GOOD THAT MAYBE IF THEY COULD COME IN AND LET US KIND OF, IF, IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO COME IN AND BRIEF US ON WHAT THAT MEANS.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT WAS THAT DATE AGAIN? UH, JANUARY 31ST AT, UH, ONE.
SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I'LL BE DISCUSSING, THE DIRECTOR AND I, AND DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UH, THEY'D LIKE TO BRING UP DURING THAT MEETING? OKAY.
IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, PLEASE SEND THE DIRECTOR AN EMAIL, AND THEN WE WILL, UH, WE'LL INCORPORATE IT INTO OUR, OUR QUESTIONS.
WE GET, UH, GENERAL AFFAIRS INTO OUR, OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS.
WE COULD AT LEAST ASK IF THEY COULD ATTEND OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE NOT ON THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY, WHEN WE USED TO MEET AT ONE O'CLOCK, THE OFFICERS CAME TO EVERY MEETING AND GAVE US THE REPORT IN PERSON, AND WE, WE WERE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE REPRESENTED THEIR COMPLAINTS, THEY CAME IN PERSON.
AND WE HAD AN AUDIENCE FULL OF PEOPLE EVERY MONTH.
I, I, I AM, I WAS OPPOSED TO MEETING IN THE EVENING, BUT WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTED, THE CONVERSATION WAS IT'LL BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, AND IMMEDIATELY THE PUBLIC STOPPED COMING.
AND, AND IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED, YOU KNOW, WE ALL COME IN THE WAY WE COME IN, BUT IF YOU EVER TRY TO GET IN THE BUILDING AFTER FIVE, IT'S NOT EASY.
I THINK YOU, UH, RAISE A REALLY GOOD POINT.
AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE AT LEAST OUGHT TO PUT ON THE LOOK INTO LIST, AND THAT IS WEATHER MEETING IN THE EVENING IS BETTER.
UM, CERTAINLY I SEE THE PROS AND CONS, AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE, EVERYBODY WOULD SHOW UP.
AND I, I REALIZE IT MIGHT BE INCONVENIENT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING AND EITHER ON THE BOARD OR PEOPLE OR WITNESSES WHO ARE COMING, BUT AS YOU SAY, IT'S GONNA BE INCONVENIENT NO MATTER WHAT COMING HERE AT NIGHT OR WHATEVER.
UH, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
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AND I THINK WHEN YOU TALK TO THE POLICE CHIEF AT THE END OF THE MONTH, I HOPE YOU WOULD RAISE THE ISSUE OF THE IAD PEOPLE COMING IN PERSON.I, I KNOW HE SAID HE WASN'T GONNA REQUIRE IT, HE WASN'T PROHIBITING IT, BUT HE SAYS HE WASN'T GONNA REQUIRE IT.
AND I THINK JUST IN TERMS OF, AS I THINK MOST OF THIS HEARSAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE ALL AROUND IN TERMS OF BUILDING TRUST AND RAPPORT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO HAVE THEM HERE.
AND MAYBE IF IT'S IN THE AFTERNOON, THAT'LL, THAT'LL HELP COME.
BUT EITHER WAY, I, I DO AGREE IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THEM TO BE HERE IN PERSON.
THANK YOU DR. GILBERT SMITH AND MR. KITNER FOR BRINGING THAT TOPIC UP.
UM, I DO RECALL WHEN, UH, BACK IN THE CPRB DAYS, WHEN IT WAS LIKE AT 1 12 30 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DURING LUNCHTIME, THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.
AND THERE WAS THE, THE, UH, THE THOUGHT BEHIND MOVING IT INTO THE EVENINGS WAS THAT, OH, WELL, PEOPLE CAN GET OFF WORK AND THEN COME WELL, YES, AND YES AND NO.
UH, MOST, I I WOULD SAY, BASED ON ALL THIS TIME, MOSTLY, NO, BECAUSE EVERYONE'S, FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYONE'S GOT FAMILIES AND THEY GOT EVENING THINGS AT EVENING SCHOOL, UH, SOCCER, BASEBALL WITH THE KIDS, DAYCARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING OFF LATE FROM WORK, WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, I AM, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO DOING IT IN THE DAY I'M, I'M HERE TO BE WITH YOU GUYS.
SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, IF YOU WANT US TO LOOK INTO, UH, POSSIBLY MOVING IT TO A ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, UM, WE ASKED THE DIRECTOR TO, UM, TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR, LOOK AT THE CITY CALENDAR.
UM, I REALIZE IT'S NOT GONNA BE CONVENIENT FOR EVERYONE.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OF US WHO ARE AT WORK, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME DAYS WHERE I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND DUE TO WORK.
BUT, UM, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S HOW IT GOES.
UM, BUT IF WE CAN GET BACK TO WHERE WE HAD, UH, WHERE WE HAD, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY BE ABLE TO COME IN AND DURING THEIR LUNCH BREAK, UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE DOING, WAS TAKING THEIR LUNCH HOUR TO COME IN AND, AND, AND ATTEND THE MEETING AND SPEAK WITH US.
WHAT, WHAT NOT OPPOSED TO IT SO, WELL, I, I, I'M OKAY EITHER WAY.
AND AGAIN, I THINK AS BEEN POINTED OUT, UH, AT LEAST FROM LIMITED HISTORICAL DATA AND CURRENT DATA, YEAH.
WE HAD MUCH BETTER ATTENDANCE BEFORE.
SO IF THAT'S ANY INDICATOR, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THAT.
UH, ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO LOOK INTO IS THERE ARE LOTS OF BOARDS ON THE CITY.
HOW MANY OF 'EM MEET IN THE EVENING VERSUS IN THE AFTERNOON? AND, AND MAYBE WE CAN SEE HOW THEY DO IT AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION, BUT I SUSPECT MOST OF 'EM DO TO SOME EXTENT.
SO THAT'S, I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK INTO THAT.
LET'S, UH, I SURE GOT A QUESTION FOR THOSE THAT SURE.
UH, THIS IS DISTRICT 15, JOHN MAR DAVIDSON.
UH, FOR THOSE THAT REMEMBER THE, THE GLORY DAYS, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN WE MET IN THE AFTERNOON, UH, I WASN'T A PART OF THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THESE MEETINGS GO PRETTY LONG IN THE EVENING.
WAS THAT EVER AN ISSUE IN THE AFTERNOON? NO.
WHAT, WHAT WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT? JUST, YEAH.
WELL, I, I, I THINK THE, THOSE WERE DIFFERENT KIND OF MEETINGS.
THEY USUALLY LASTED AN HOUR OR TWO MAX.
UM, BUT WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE LOOKED AT SPECIFIC CASES AS OPPOSED TO A LOT OF THE POLICY THINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WE CONSIDER HERE.
BUT AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S ONE HOUR OR THREE HOURS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU MAKE IT WORK WITHIN YOUR TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND AGAIN, UM, WE, WE, WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP AFTER.
WELL, AND THEN ALSO DURING THE CPRB, UH, MR. KITNER AND DR. GILBERT SMITH, IF YOU'LL REMIND ME OR REFRESH ME, UM, WE WERE NOT DOING FORMAL INVESTIGATIONS THEN EITHER.
THAT IS WHAT IS, THAT IS WHAT'S GONNA TAKE UP A LOT OF B.
BACK THEN IT WAS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO COME IN, SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, SAY THEIR PIECE, UM, OR TALK ABOUT AN ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA.
UM, BUT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT VIDEOS TO REVIEW AND WHATNOT, THAT'S, THAT TAKES LONGER.
AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE TECH ISSUES, UM, EVEN MORE SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THE MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA COMING UP IN JANUARY? NO, SEEING NONE.
DIRECTOR, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON, UM, DIAMOND ROSS, THREE H?
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SO ON ITEM THREE H, UH, BELOW IS A LIST OF THE CASES THAT THE BOARD VOTED TO HAVE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS ON.ONE OF THOSE COMPLAINTS IS THE DIAMOND ROSS INVESTIGATION.
UH, THE REASON FOR THIS COMPLAINT WAS A DEATH IN CUSTODY.
THIS INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
THE COURT HAS GRANTED, I'M SORRY, THE COURT HAS GRANTED SUMMARY JUDGMENT IN FAVOR OF THE CITY AND THE OFFICERS AND EX, UM, ENTERED A FINAL JUDGMENT DISPOSING OF THE ENTIRE CASE.
THE PLAINTIFFS DID NOT FILE AN APPEAL, AND THIS LITIGATION HAS CONCLUDED.
OKAY, WELL, THAT'S QUITE THE UPDATE.
SO WHERE DO WE STAND SINCE WE DID AN INVESTIGATION OR, OR ASKED FOR AN INVESTIGATION? NOW THAT THE COURT HAS RULED, DOES THAT KIND OF MAKE OUR INVESTIGATION OBE OR, UM, OR DO WE STILL KIND OF, WE STILL GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE COMPLETED AND MAYBE REVIEW THAT, UM, TO SEE IF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS FOUND OUT? RIGHT.
UM, I WILL CONFIRM WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT, UM, WE CAN RELEASE THE INVESTIGATION.
WE DO HAVE THE, UM, COMPLETED INVESTIGATION IN OCPO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REACH OUT WITH THEM JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICTS.
AND IF NOT, THEN WE CAN UPLOAD THAT INFORMATION TO THE SHAREPOINT, UM, AND CONTINUE TO WORK ON, UH, GETTING ACCESS.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS, UM, YOU CAN COME BY THE OFFICE ONCE IT'S CLEARED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT IT CAN BE, UH, SHARED WITH THE BOARD.
UM, ALSO I AM IN, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH IT SECURITY TO GET ALL BOARD MEMBERS, UH, CITY OF DALLAS EMAIL ADDRESSES.
AND WITH THAT, UH, WE MAY HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER SHAREPOINT DRIVE.
UM, BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, WE ARE IN PROCESS AND WE WILL SHARE IT THAT WAY.
BUT IT IS, IT WILL BE AVAILABLE ALSO IN THE OFFICE.
UH, ONCE I CLEAR WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ONCE YOU CLEAR THAT UP, CAN, IF, IF THEY GIVE US THE THUMBS UP ON, YOU KNOW, RELEASING THE INVESTIGATION AND WHATNOT, CAN WE ADD THE DIAMOND ROSS, UH, OCPO INVESTIGATION TO THE NEXT AGENDA? THAT WAY WE CAN GO THROUGH IT, UH, AS OUR TEAM AND DETERMINE WHETHER WE'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, OR WHATNOT.
ANY OTHER, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, I I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.
I, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
I, I WOULD, UH, ENCOURAGE US TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT CASE DID TAKE SO LONG UNTIL WE TALKED ABOUT IT SO MUCH.
SO NOT ONLY DO WE WANT TO KNOW, BUT I GUARANTEE THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW ALSO.
A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IN A MISSION HERE IN NOVEMBER, WE HAD FIVE APPEALS THAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IN NOVEMBER, IT WAS PUSHED TO THIS MEETING SO THAT WE COULD NOTIFY THE PEOPLE, GET THE VIDEO READY.
AND I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, AND, AND LOOK AT THOSE FIVE APPEALS IN THE WAY THAT WE WANTED TO.
BUT THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER APPEALS.
WERE THERE NO APPEALS IN DECEMBER? I'M NOT, I BELIEVE WE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF APPEALS THE END, THE VERY END OF DECEMBER, AND THOSE WILL BE HELD, UM, HEARD IN FEBRUARY.
I, I CAN SAY FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, WE DON'T HAVE 'EM ALL THE TIME.
IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU DON'T SEE ONE, THERE'S SOMETHING AMISS.
I'M NEW HERE, SO I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE I'M TELLING YOU IT'S A DECENT QUESTION, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THERE'S NOT ONE EVERY TIME.
AND IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY I, SOMEBODY SAID IN FOUR YEARS OR MAYBE 15 TOTAL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THAT'S JUST THE FACTS.
UM, I WOULD EXPECT DECEMBER TO BE KIND OF A SNOOZEFEST, BUT
AND I ALSO THINK THAT GENERALLY, IF THE CASE IS A BIG CASE, IT'S, THEY'RE, UM, THEY FILE A SUIT AND ONCE THE SUIT HAS BEEN FILED, WE'RE, WE'RE NO LONGER INVOLVED.
LIKE WITH THE DIAMOND ROSS, IT'S SO LONG THAT I
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CAN BARELY REMEMBER THE VIDEO.DO WE, WILL WE BE ABLE TO GO INTO, UH, THE KIMBERLY JEFFERSON UPDATE OR SUMMARY SO THAT WE CAN CLOSE THAT ONE OUT? SO LAST MONTH, UM, BOARD MEMBERS ARE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE KIMBERLY JEFFERSON CASE.
UM, WE SAW THE VIDEO, UH, OCPO GAVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, WE GOT SIDETRACKED ON DISCUSSION, AND THEN I FAILED TO HOLD THE VOTE ON WHETHER WE AGREED WITH THE OCPO, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS A NON NOT SUSTAINED, OR THE FACT THAT IT'S A CIVIL MATTER AND NOT MR. WILLIAMS. YEAH.
SO WHAT I ASKED THEM TO DO ON THIS ONE IS TO SUMMARIZE IT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN, BUT SUMMARIZE IT SO THAT WE CAN, UH, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A VOTE AND CLOSE THAT ITEM OUT FROM LAST MONTH'S, LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
WHAT ARE, WHAT? LET ME, I'M CONFUSED NOW.
WE VOTED TO DO THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION WAS DONE.
AND I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING TO VOTE ON.
NOW, THAT'S JUST MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
SO, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR EVENT, THE, UM, THE RESIDENTS REQUESTED, RIGHT.
AND SO THEY'VE DONE THE REVIEW.
BUT I, I, I GUESS, AND AGAIN, I'VE YEAH.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW WE DID THIS.
THE FIVE THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW ARE REQUESTING AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
AND SO IT'S PROGRESSED TO THE NEXT LEVEL WHERE ONE WAS THAT WE VOTED TO ACTUALLY DO IT, BUT I THOUGHT, AND AGAIN, I MAY BE WRONG HERE, THAT ONCE IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DONE AND WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT.
BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PROCEDURE WAS.
I, WELL, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THEY REQUESTED IT BECAUSE THEY REQUESTED IT D AND WE WANTED OCPO TO REVIEW IT.
AND THEY CAME TO A CONCLUSION.
AND I THINK ONCE THEY COME TO THE CONCLUSION, THAT'S IT.
BUT WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT WE ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT AND THAT, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER FOR US TO DO AT THIS POINT.
DOES THE BOARD, DOES THE BOARD WANT TO VOTE ON THE JEFFERSON CASE? OR WERE, OR DID EVERYONE UNDERSTAND LAST MONTH THAT IT WAS A, UM, A UH, WHAT, WHAT WERE WE CALL A CIVIL COMPLAINT? UM, AND THAT WAS IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF HOW I LEFT IT LAST MONTH AS WELL.
SO, AND MR. CHAIR, I, I THINK, UH, 31 92, PART OF THE PROCESS IS THAT ONCE THERE'S AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION AND THEN WE PRESENT THOSE FINDINGS, IT'S THE BOARD THAT WOULD THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF.
AND THEN, AND THEN BASED OFF OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL HAVE TO VOTE.
WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD Y'ALL NEED TO VOTE TO SEND TO THE CHIEF? THE OCPO DOESN'T MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CHIEF THAT COMES FROM THE BOARD BASED OFF OF OUR INVESTIGATION.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT WAS LEFT OFF.
I, I, I, SO TO CLOSE IT OUT AND LEAVE AND LEAVE, NO DOUBT.
IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE HIM SUMMARIZE IT THAT WAY THE BOARD CAN GO, YEAH, WE AGREE.
WE AGREE WITH O CPO'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND OR WE DON'T AND WHY.
ARE WE CLOSE? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE SOME PEOPLE WERE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
OUR NORMAL PROCEDURE IS AFTER IT'S PRESENTED, WE VOTE WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT, WHETHER WE SEND IT TO THE CHIEF MM-HMM.
JIM? OH, OH, I BELIEVE THE SUMMARY WOULD BE GO, DO YOU WANT TO GO ON THE MIC? YEAH, SURE.
GO ON THE MIC AND THAT WAY WE MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE IT ALL.
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OKAY.SO THIS IS NAR JEFFERSON'S CASE.
IT'S BEEN INVESTIGATED BY THE OFFICE.
AND, UM, I WILL GIVE A BRIEFING ON THE, UM, THE ALLEGATIONS AS WELL AS THE SUMMARY, WELL AS THE SUMMARY AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE SUMMARY.
SO THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT, THE MR. JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINT, HE, HIS STATEMENT IS, EVERYTHING I'VE WROTE HERE IS PRETTY MUCH SOLID WHAT MY COMPLAINT IS AND WHAT HAPPENED ON BOTH INCIDENTS.
UM, HE, HE HAD IN JUNE, BUT HE DID NOT WANT AN INVESTIGATION ON MY TRUCK.
THEY DID NOT DO INVESTIGATION ON HIS TRUCK.
SO, UM, AFTER PLAYING THE VIDEO SEVERAL TIMES, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE VIDEOS.
UM, THE BOARD HAS SEEN THE VIDEOS.
HIS, HIS, HIS, UM, HIS THREE ALLEGATIONS.
OKAY? HIS FIRST ALLEGATION IS OFFICERS FAILED TO INVESTIGATE AN UN AUTHORIZED USE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE.
THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IN ITS INVESTIGATIVE REVIEW OF ALL INFORMATION GATHERED, CLASSIFIED THIS INVESTIGATION AS NON-SUSTAINED, CLEARED BY THE OFFICER'S BODY-WORN CAMERA.
THE SECOND ALLEGATION, UM, MR. TENNA JEFFERSON, IS OFFICERS WERE UNPROFESSIONAL WHILE GATHERING INFORMATION FROM MR. JEFFERSON.
WE PLAYED THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS HERE IN, UM, IN OUR MEETING.
AND THE OFFICE HAS, UM, FOUND THIS ALLEGATION TO BE NON-SUSTAINED AND ALSO CLEARED BY OFFICERS BODY, BODY WORN CAMERA.
THE THIRD, UM, OF MR. JEFFERSON'S ALLEGATIONS IS THE ASSIGNED DETECTIVE WAS NOT RESPONSIVE AND MADE NO ATTEMPTS TO FIND ALTERNATE MEANS TO ASSIST.
BEFORE CLOSING THE CASE, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT CON CONFIRMS THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT DETECTIVE WORKING HIS CASE, MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT MR. JEFFERSON.
DPD DETECTIVES MADE A PROFESSIONAL EFFORT TO LEAVE MESSAGES TO MR. JOHNSON'S, EXCUSE ME, TO MR. JEFFERSON FOR INQUIRIES OF CONCERNING HIS CASE.
SO THE DETECTIVES HAVE CALLED, THEY LEFT MESSAGES, AND, UM, WE FIND, UM, MR. JEFFERSON'S ALLEGATION THREE, THAT DETECTIVE WAS NOT RESPONSIVE.
WE FIND THE ALLEGATION IS NON-SUSTAINED.
AND SO, UM, I WILL YIELD IT BACK TO YOU, CHAIRMAN.
SO THE BO BOARD CAN VOTE ON EACH OF, UM, THE ALLEGATIONS, SIR.
SO, UM, ALL THREE ALLEGATIONS WERE NOT SUSTAINED.
AND THE OCPO AGREES THAT THERE IS NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION WARRANTED.
BOARD MEMBERS, I MOVE THAT WE AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE OLD
DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, AND SECONDED BY DISTRICT NINE.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY.
IT'S BEEN IN, UH, FIRST AND SECONDED.
UH, ALL THOSE IN, IN FAVOR OF, OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
UH, ARE WE READY WITH IT? ARE WE, I WE ARE READY.
DOES THAT COVER BOTH OF THEM? NO.
KIMBERLY DOES NOT COVER KIMBERLY.
UM, SO THE THIRD COMPLAINT IS, UH, FOR KIMBERLY JEFFERSON.
UM, THAT IS THE SAME EVENT, UM, AS TER, UH, THERES TERRAS, JEFFERSON.
AND, UH, THIS COMPLAINT, THIS COMPLAINT IS, UH, FOR UNPROFESSIONALISM, FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE NO DETECTIVE FOLLOW UP.
UM, THE INVESTIGATION IS PENDING COMPLETION.
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UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, TRANSITION AND POSITION FROM THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, UM, POSITION BECOMING VACANT, IT CURRENTLY IS ON PAUSE.UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE INVESTIGATIONS THAT THE CONTRACTED INVESTIGATOR WAS, IS TO, UH, PICK UP AND FINISH.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT LAST ONE? IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY? THAT'S THEIR MOTHER AND SON, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND THEY WERE BOTH THERE ON THE SAME VIDEO THAT WE WATCHED LAST TIME? MM-HMM.
SO WE'LL GET AN UPDATE ON THAT IN THE FUTURE, FUTURE MEETING.
OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA SHUFFLE BACK.
WE'RE GONNA SHUFFLE BACK TO TWO A.
EVERYBODY HEAR ME? MY MIC'S ON.
SO, UH, WE WERE AT MR. CARLOS DAVIS AND BASICALLY IN, IN JANUARY THE 14TH OF 2023, HE WAS INVOLVED IN A CAR WRECK AND HE WENT TO THE DALLAS POLICE STATION TO FILE A FILE, A REPORT, AND TWO OFFICERS CAME OUT, TOOK HIS OR, OR SPOKE TO ONE OFFICER AND ANOTHER OFFICER WHO WAS BEHIND HIM IN THE BACKGROUND.
ONE OF THE OFFICERS WENT OUT AND WITH HIM AND ASSESSED THE DAMAGE OF THE VEHICLE.
AND THEN DURING THE REPORT, THERE WAS SOME, AN ISSUE, A DISCREPANCY WHERE THE AMOUNT OF THE DAMAGE THAT ONE OF THE OFFICER PUT DOWN FOR, UH, A DIFFERENT AMOUNT THAN, UH, THAN WHAT WAS, UH, THE ACTUAL DAMAGE.
AND SO THEY AMENDED THE REPORTS AND PUT THE CORRECT AMOUNT ON THE DAMAGE.
BUT, UH, MR. DAVIS HAD FELT THAT, UH, THE OFFICERS DID THAT INTENTIONALLY AND THAT HE FELT THAT HE HAD BEEN, UH, RACIALLY PROFILED, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND SO THEN AFTER THEY, THE POLICE, DPD UH, INITIALLY CAME BACK AND SAID THERE WAS NO DEPARTMENTAL VIOLATIONS, HE THEN FILED A REVIEW WITH, WITH OUR OFFICE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE VIDEOS.
AND MR. WILLIAMS, IF YOU COULD PLAY THAT VIDEO NOW.
MINE, THE AUDIO SHOULDN'T KICK ON ANY MINUTE NOW.
THERE'S, UH, SOME KIND OF A DELAY.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT HAPPENED? IT'S OKAY.
SO NOW EVERYONE ONLINE CAN HEAR IT, BUT WE CAN'T
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MAJOR ALANIS.CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, SIR.
UH, IT APPEARS WE'RE HAVING SOME AUDIO DIFFICULTIES NOW WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE DONNELL, UH, LANE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
YOU GOT TAKE, I KNOW WE GOT A GUY.
I'M GONNA SEE IF HE GOT SOME ON TAPE.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH MAJOR ALLEN EAST ON THIS ONE.
UH, OCPO IS ACTIVELY MONITORING THE IAD INVESTIGATION REGARDING MR. LANE'S COMPLAINT.
UM, IN OUR LAST UPDATE, THE INVESTIGATION WAS STILL IN DRAFT STATUS.
UM, AND MAJOR ALLEN, IF YOU HAVE AN UPDATE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE, PLEASE DO.
YES, WE ARE STILL IN THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, WE WERE RECENTLY NOTIFIED THAT ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES HAS RECENTLY BEEN, UM, OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE.
UM, SO WE ANTICIPATE HIS, UH, HER RETURN DATE AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
UH, I, I KNOW, LISTEN, I, I GET IT.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, BEYOND WHAT WE'VE AL WHAT WE KNOW FROM, UH, THE UPDATE? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, THE MAJOR ALLEN INDICATED THAT THE PERSON WAS OUT ON, UH, MEDICAL LEAVE.
IS THAT THE PERSON THAT, UM, SIGNED THIS SPECIFIC INVESTIGATION OR IS THAT SOMEONE ELSE? MAJOR ALLIS? YES, SIR.
OH, MR. CHAIR, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MULTIPLE OFFICERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS INVESTIGATION.
ONE OF THEM IS THE ONE THAT IS OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE RIGHT NOW.
CAN WE KNOW IF THE OTHER THREE HAVE DONE THEIR REVIEW PART? UH, I CAN FIND THAT OUT AND I WILL PROVIDE THAT TO THE, UM, THE CHAIR AND THE, THE DIRECTOR.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MA'AM.
IS IT, IS THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER WADSWORTH? GO AHEAD.
YES, THIS BOARD MEMBER WADSWORTH, WHO'S BEEN ON HERE THE WHOLE TIME, WE HAD PROBABLY, WE, WE SAW YOU.
ANYWAY, UH, MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO THE AUGUST MEETING.
I BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST 8TH AND MAJOR ALANISE WAS ON THE LINE.
AND WHAT I HAD ASKED WAS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR DPD OFFICERS WHEN THEY'RE TOLD BY A PERSON THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED WITHIN AN INCIDENT, THAT THERE IS A LAW IN TEXAS? UM, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT OFFICER TO VERIFY THAT INFORMATION? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE FINALLY GET A REPORT BACK, IT'S BEEN MONTHS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS GONNA ALSO BE ANSWERED.
DID YOU HEAR BOARD MEMBER WADSWORTH? YES, SIR.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO THE MONITOR WHO THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK WHEN SHE'S MONITORING THIS INVESTIGATION.
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UH, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE ALL HEARING EACH OTHER.SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR, WHO WAS NOT HERE IN AUGUST, KNOWS THAT ONE OF OUR MAJOR QUESTIONS WAS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR AN OFFICER WHO IS TOLD THERE'S A LAW ABOUT THIS? 'CAUSE OUR OFFICERS DO UPHOLD TEXAS LAW.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT OFFICER TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS INDEED SUCH A LAW WHEN THEY'RE IN A CONFLICT SITUATION WITH A PERSON? SO WE, THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA KNOW.
UM, INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW, THAT PROCESS RECEIVED.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A SERVICEMAN MYSELF, I, I FEEL FOR, UM, MR. LANE, AND IT SAYS HERE, HIS COMPLAINT WAS FILED ON JUNE 3RD, SEVEN MONTHS AGO.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A PROCESS THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED, BUT IF YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLY, EARLIER, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN.
SO SEVEN MONTHS AGO THERE WAS A STAIN, A BLACK EYE PUT ON THE CITY OF DALLAS BECAUSE THIS VIDEO OF A, OF A SERVICEMAN WHO WAS INJURED IN BATTLE COULD NOT GO TO THE BATHROOM, AND IT IS STILL DRAGGING ALONG.
AND ALL THE OFFICERS IN THEIR, IN THE PROCESS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY DURING THEIR DATE, DURING SOME TIME, BECAUSE OFFICERS CLOSE AT FIVE.
SO WHETHER THEY'RE ON THEIR SHIFT OR NOT, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A WAY OVER TO WHEREVER THEY HAVE TO FILE THE REPORTS OR LOOK AT THE REPORTS OR WHATEVER HAS TO BE DONE.
NOW, ONE OFFICER HAS TAKEN EEL, AND WE WON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS OFFICER IS GONNA BE OUT UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH, IS WHAT I HEARD.
IS THAT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HEARD? MM-HMM,
SO YOU'RE ILL, BUT WE'RE GONNA WAIT THREE MORE WEEKS TO FIND OUT WHEN YOU'RE COMING BACK TO WORK.
AND MAYBE THEN YOU'LL GO OVER AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS REPORT.
SO THAT GIVES US ANOTHER MONTH TO WAIT.
THESE, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT BECOME FRUSTRATING TO ME AS A CITIZEN FIRST AND AS A MEMBER OF THE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
SECOND, AND I KNOW THAT IT WITH THE, I THOUGHT THAT WITH THE BLACK EYE, THIS PRESENTED, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN WRAPPED UP IN 90 DAYS, BUT WE'RE PUSHING FURTHER AND FURTHER TOWARDS A YEAR.
AND FOR ME, AND I'M SURE FOR MR. LANE, AND I HOPE FOR YOU, YOU BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE FOREVER TO GET THINGS RESOLVED.
ANY OTHER COMMENT? UH, CHAIR, UH, MAJOR ALLEN.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING THAT I SAW ON YOUTUBE LIKE IT THAT THERE WAS VIDEO OF THE FEMALE POLICE OFFICER ON HER WAY TO WORK THAT DAY.
AND THE VIDEO IS VERY EMBARRASSING TO THE CITY.
IT IS THERE ANY WAY, 'CAUSE THAT WE CAN SEE THAT VIDEO WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE REPORT? MR. CHAIR, IS THAT DIRECTED FOR ME? YES, MA'AM.
SO I, I AM NOT AWARE OF WHAT IS ON YOUTUBE, UM, REGARDING SOMEONE DRIVING IN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE CASE THAT'S IN OUR INVESTIGATION, WELL, UNTIL IT'S CLOSED, I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ANYTHING TO THE BOARD.
AND WE'LL, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS, UM, WITH DR.
UH, GILBERT SMITH HERE, UM, ABOUT WHICH VIDEO SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE'LL HAVE, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE MONITOR, UM, REACH OUT FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THERE WAS A, I BELIEVE A QUESTION ONLINE.
YEAH, IT WAS, UH, UH, IT'S FROM ME.
UM, DISTRICT THREE, CHONG GANS.
UM, SO I, I HAVE TO BACK UP WHAT BOARD
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MEMBER MAKE IS SAYING ABOUT THIS INVESTIGATION.UH, NOT JUST THAT IT'S FRUSTRATING, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S UNACCEPT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS.
I MEAN, WE, I THINK WE ARE CLEARLY PAST THE POINT WHERE WE SHOULD JUST BE VOICING OUR FRUSTRATIONS.
WE DO HAVE POWERS, WE DO HAVE THINGS WE CAN DO OUTSIDE OF JUST WAIT FOR DPD AND IA TO GIVE US INFORMATION.
AND AT THIS POINT, IT LOOKS LIKE SMALLER, JUST ON MY END.
BUT IN MY OPINION, SO, UM, I, I WANNA PUT ON THE FLOOR FOR US TO DISCUSS, UM, UH, ESCALATING THIS AND NOTIFYING OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WE, UM, THAT THIS IS, AT THIS POINT IT NEEDS TO BE ESCALATED.
'CAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'VE GIVEN MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME, WE'VE BEEN GRACIOUS, BUT AT SOME POINT WE GOTTA START DOING OUR JOB.
WE GOTTA JUST START WORKING AND DOING THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND DPD AND IA NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE AND DO OUR JOB, AND THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET US AND WE DON'T ANSWER TO THEM.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT.
UM, NOW IF WE CAN, HOW IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT? SHOULD YOU SEND A MEMO OR GO TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING OR, OKAY, SO, SO BASED ON OUR, UM, ON OUR ORDINANCE, WE HAVE GOT TO LET DPD AS A BOARD AND AS THE OCPO FOLLOW THEIR PROCESS AND COMPLETE THEIR INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
THAT DOESN'T STOP ANY ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY REACHING OUT TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER, EXPRESSING YOUR CONCERN AND YOUR FRUSTRATION.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO EXPRESS YOUR CONCERN AND FRUSTRATION, YOU COULD DO THAT TOO.
DOES IT STOP US FROM EXPRESSING OUR UNANIMOUS CONCERN? THAT'S RIGHT.
I, I, I TAKE WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, MM-HMM.
BUT WE'RE NOW, WE'RE EXPRESSING OUR DISAPPOINTMENT WITH THEIR INABILITY TO FINISH IT IN A TIMELY MATTER.
SO IT'S, IT'S USING OUR SOFT POWER YEAH.
TO MAKE A LITTLE NOISE ABOUT OUR FRUSTRATION.
AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
SO IF MR. VICE CHAIR, GO AHEAD, MR. KITNER.
UM, I THINK THIS THING HAS, HAS DRAGGED ON TOO LONG AS WELL.
I I THINK THAT'S JUST OBJECTIVELY CORRECT.
NOW, UM, I, I REALIZE, AND THIS IS PARTLY FROM, AS I SAID BEFORE, I DID TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE, UH, MAJOR ALLEN ONE-ON-ONE AT INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
AND I, I GOT A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION, UM, AND WHAT THEY DO.
AND, AND I CERTAINLY THINK, UM, SOME OF THE DELAY THAT WE PERCEIVE OR OTHERS MIGHT PERCEIVE AS JUST PART OF THE PROCESS.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, UH, THE REPORT HAD BEEN COMPLETED.
AND AS PER POLICY, THE OFFICERS, AND THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM WHO WERE INVOLVED, GET TO COME BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND PROVIDE WHATEVER COMMENTS THEY PROVIDE.
BUT THAT SEEMS FAIR ENOUGH TO ME AS PART OF A DUE PROCESS PROCEDURE.
UM, AND AS WAS POINTED OUT, INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS NOT OPEN 24 7, SO THE PEOPLE HAVE TO COME BY DURING WORKING HOURS.
SO THERE COULD BE A REASON FOR SOME DELAY, BUT IT STRIKES ME IF WE'VE GOT THREE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED OFF ON IT OR DONE WHATEVER THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, AND WE HAVE ONE WHO'S OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE, THAT ONE PERSON SHOULDN'T BE HOLDING UP THE REST.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T JUST MESSENGER OUT TO HER, LET HER LOOK AT IT IF IT'S A HER AND THEN SIGN OFF ON IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAS TO WAIT ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO THE END OF THE MONTH FOR THIS PERSON TO ACTUALLY COME IN.
NOW, IF THE PERSON IS NOT PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY, UM, ABLE TO DO THAT, I GET IT.
BUT IF THE PERSON IS, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON OUT ON LEAVE, BUT CAN LOOK AT IT AND MAKE WHATEVER COMMENTS I SUGGEST THAT THAT BE DONE SENT TO THE PERSON, LET THE PERSON LOOK AT IT AND THEN WE CAN AT LEAST MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP.
BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ONCE THEY SIGN OFF ON IT, THERE ARE SOME OTHER STEPS IN THERE.
THERE IS GONNA BE FURTHER TIME LAG HERE.
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PERSON SIGNS OFF ON IT AND WE'RE GONNA GET IT NEXT MONTH.BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN CUT OUT SOME OF THE TIME BECAUSE FRANKLY, UM, I DON'T THINK IT DOES ANYBODY ANY GOOD.
WE'RE FRUSTRATED AND IT DOESN'T MAKE THE CITY LOOK VERY GOOD ON THIS.
SO LET'S JUST GET IT DONE WITH AND GET IT OVER WITH.
IT'S LIKE PULLING A BANDAID OFF OF, UH, A WOUND.
LET'S JUST PULL IT OFF AND GET GOING.
UH, THIS IS, UH, DISTRICT SIX, DERRICK GRAM.
ALSO, WHAT I'M STILL HEARING WHEN I SAY, UM, WHEN I CAME IN, THIS WAS THE CASE THAT I CAME IN ON AND IT, IT REALLY TOUCHED ME AS REALLY TOUCHED EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT I'M STILL, WHEN I ASKED ALANISE, UH, UH, MAJOR ALANISE THE LAST TIME, SHE, SHE GAVE US THE, THE PROTOCOL, WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.
AND IT'S STILL BEING DRAGGED ON BECAUSE NOW EVEN WHEN HE JUST SAID IF THREE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON IT, THIS ONE PERSON HOLDING UP, SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT.
SHE JUST SAID SHE, HE SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ONE SAID WE, I CAN CHECK.
UH, MAJOR ANI SAID SHE WOULD CHECK AND SEE IF THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE DONE LOOKED AT OR WHATEVER.
AND I'M SAYING IT'S STILL THE RUNAROUND IS THE, THE BLUNT WORD FOR THAT.
BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IF THERE ARE FOUR, OR YOU'RE TELLING ME OUT OF SEVEN MONTHS, THE OTHER THREE HAVEN'T, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE GOES OUT ON SICK LEAVE, LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU SEE, BECAUSE IN SEVEN MONTHS, EVEN IF WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE PROTOCOL AT THE LAST POINT, SHE'S STILL SAYING THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THE SICK PERSON WILL BE ABLE TO COME BACK.
HOW MUCH SICK LEAVE DO THEY HAVE?
MY DOCTOR SAID I CAN COME BACK MAY THE FIRST OR WHATEVER.
BUT FOR IT TO BE SO VAGUE, IT'S SO VULGAR.
EVEN IN THIS, EVEN IN THE WAY IT'S BEING POURED OUT, UH, SPEWED OUT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING, CHANGA, YOU BRING UP A A VERY GOOD POINT.
UM, MR. UH, MR. BA, YOU DO AS WELL.
UM, HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.
I'D LIKE TO SEND A FORMAL MEMO FROM THIS BOARD, UM, TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
UM, OUTLINING THE, UH, CONCERN AND FRUSTRATION THAT OUR BOARD MEMBERS ARE HAVING WITH THE, THE PACE OF THIS REVIEW.
UM, WHEN WE DO THAT, UM, I WILL GO AHEAD AND SHARE THAT WITH, UM, THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT THEY RECEIVE, UH, THAT UPDATE AND JUST KNOW WHAT, WHAT WE'RE HAVING, WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE OUR, UH, OUR, UM, OUR DEALINGS WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT IT.
SO I BELIEVE AUGUST IS WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT IT.
WE'LL GO BACK THROUGH THE OLD MINUTES.
UM, AND I BELIEVE SEP AND THEN WE WILL UPDATE WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED ON SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER MEETING.
I MOVE THAT YOU WRITE A MEMO, BUT THAT IT INCLUDES THAT WE AS A BOARD, OUR DISAPP AND I MOVE THAT WE TAKE A VOTE TO INCLUDE OUR DISAPPOINTMENT UNANIMOUSLY IN THAT MEMO.
I, I
UM, WHAT I, DUE RESPECT, YOU SAID WE WOULD SEND A FORMAL LETTER TO THE CHIEF.
YOU DON'T THINK THE CHIEF KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS LANE CASE? I DO.
BUT, BUT WHAT THAT DOES IS WHAT WE, WHAT OUR BOARD HAS REALLY NOT DONE WELL IN THE PAST IS DO THAT.
BECAUSE WHAT THAT DOES IS SET A FORMAL PAPER TRAIL THAT'S INVITATION AS TO WHEN I GET THAT, AS TO WHEN WE DO THINGS.
BUT WE, SO WE CAN'T SEND IT TO THE POLICE CHIEF, THE COUNCIL YEAH.
YOU SENDING IT TO EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, IN THE PAST, WE HAVE DONE THAT.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST OH NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT.
BUT WE HAVE NOT LEANED ON THAT PROCESS AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD HAVE, WHICH IS WHAT ALLOWS A LOT OF THIS TO KIND OF CONTINUE.
AND THERE'S BEEN SOME, AND I'M NOT EVEN
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TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR, I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 21, 22, WHERE THERE WERE, WHERE WE HAD CONCERNS AND IT WAS LIKE, HEY, ALL WE GOTTA DO IS SEND, WE JUST NEED TO PUT IT IN WRITING WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE SO THAT THEY KNOW, BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE'S GONNA TUNE INTO THIS MEETING.AND, UM, AND SO BY DOING, BY, BY FORMALIZING IT, IT'S ENSURING THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS WELL.
SOUND GOOD? VICE CHAIR, UH, DISTRICT 15, ARE YOU GONNA, WHO WILL WRITE THAT LETTER? WILL YOU WRITE IT AND SEND THE BOARD? I'LL, I WILL, I WILL, I WILL WRITE THAT LETTER AND THEN, UH, THE DIRECTOR WILL PUT IT ON THE FANCY PAPER AND THEN WE WILL GET IT UP TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO, SO WHAT, SO WHAT WE KNOW IS WE'RE GONNA WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH FOR THIS POLICE OFFICER TO COME BACK OR REPORT FROM LEAVE.
CAN WE HAVE THIS DONE BEFORE OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING, IS MY QUESTION? OH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE WRITING IT TOMORROW.
UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
I MEAN, THEIR PROCESS IS THEIR PROCESS.
AND WE'RE GONNA LET THEM GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.
ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO IS SAY, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE CONCERNED.
AND LET ME, LET ME JUST, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT I, I, I HOPE MAJOR ALLEN NEEDS, AS SHE'S LISTENING, I I KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR PROCESS.
AND PART OF THE PROCESS IS FOR THESE OFFICERS TO COME IN AND LOOK AT IT, THAT'S ALL FINE.
BUT IF WE HAVE ONE OFFICER, AND I'M NOT ATTRIBUTING ANY, ILL MOTIVE TO THAT PARTICULAR OFFICER AT ALL.
RIGHT? I'M ASSUMING NONE AT ALL.
UH, BUT IF THAT ONE OFFICER IS DELAYING IT BY 30 DAYS, BECAUSE THAT OFFICER'S NOT GONNA BE IN TILL THE END OF THE MONTH, I'M HOPING THAT MAJOR ALLEN WOULD CONSIDER THE OPTION OF OTHER AVENUES TO GET IT TO THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER FOR THAT OFFICER TO REVIEW IT AND GET IT DONE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, IF NOT SOONER.
AND LET'S GET THE PROCESS MOVED ALONG.
BECAUSE AGAIN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, EVEN ONCE THAT OFFICER REVIEWS IT AND SIGNS OFF ON IT, THERE'S SEVERAL MORE STEPS THAT ARE THERE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN ANSWER IN FEBRUARY.
MAYBE NOT IN MARCH, BUT LET'S GET IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I THINK 30 DAYS COULD LESSEN THIS BY ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO TWO MONTHS, IS MY GUESS.
SO I'M ASKING MAJOR ALLEN JUST SUGGESTING IT.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, BUT PERHAPS TO CONSIDER SOME ALTERNATIVE FEDEX COURIER, SOMETHING TO GET IT TO THIS OFFICER.
LET THE OFFICER LOOK AT IT AND THEN SIGN OFF ON IT.
BUT FROM WHAT SHE'S, OH, EXCUSE ME, DEREK HAM AGAIN.
BUT FROM WHAT SHE'S STANDING ON IS THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT SHE'S STATED SO OFTEN.
SO EVEN ANOTHER AVENUE DOESN'T EXIST.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, SINCE THIS IS SEVEN MONTHS OR IF ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION.
I'M, THE WAY SHE'S SPEAKING THERE IS NOT, UH, WELL, I MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
I'M NOT WILLING AGAIN, TO, TO ASSUME THERE ISN'T ANOTHER OPTION.
OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE THEIR PROCEDURE AND I RESPECT IT, BUT SITUATIONS COME UP IN EVERY PROCESS AND YOU NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE.
AND HERE I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THERE BE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO GET THIS DONE A LITTLE BIT SOONER.
UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UM, UH, BOARD MEMBER KITNER WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD, UNDERSTANDABLE.
MONTH FOUR, I THINK WE WE'RE, WE'RE PAST, WE'RE PAST, UH, IF THIS IS A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, SEVEN MONTHS, I THINK WE, UH, WE CAN'T BE APOLOGISTS ON THIS.
UH, WE DO NEED TO, UH, EXPRESS OUR DISAPPOINTMENT.
I I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T EXPRESS YOUR DISAPPOINTMENT, I'M DISAPPOINTED.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I, I THINK THERE'S PART OF THE PROCESS, THE PROCESS HAS GONE ON TOO LONGER.
I, I THINK IT WAS HIGH PROFILE AND AS MAJOR ALLEN SAID, SHE PUT SOMEBODY ON IT FULL TIME, IT GOT DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S BEEN AS MUCH DELAY AS THERE HAS BEEN SINCE THAT WAS COMPLETED.
I KNOW PART OF IT, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS OUR DIRECTOR WAS LOOKING AT IT AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT.
SO THAT ADDED SOME DELAY TO IT.
OUR TIME, I DON'T KNOW, DELAYS EVEN THE RIGHT WORD HERE.
IT JUST ADDED SOME EXTRA TIME TO IT.
I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE SIX MONTHS FROM A DECISION.
MAYBE IT'S ONLY TWO OR THREE MONTHS IF WE SPEED THE PROCESS UP AND GET IT DONE.
THAT DOESN'T APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
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TO ME TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND TRY AND GET IT DONE SOONER IF I COULD.UH, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE BE A BIT MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS MEMO.
WE NEED TO KIND OF, WE NEED TO OUTLINE OUR EXPECTATION AS WELL.
WHAT DO WE WANT AS A BOARD, UM, FOR THIS TO HAPPEN? WE WANT THIS INVESTIGATION TO BE OVER.
SO I, I FEEL LIKE JUST EXPRESSING OUR DISAPPOINTMENT TO THE CHIEF WHO ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THIS, I'M SURE HE WATCHES THESE MEETINGS AND HE'S BEING BRIEFED.
HE ALREADY KNOWS THAT WE, WE HAVE, WE OUR FRUSTRATION.
SO, UH, WE NEED TO BE A BIT MORE INTENTIONAL AND TAKE A STEP FURTHER AND SAY, WHAT IS IT THAT WE EXPECT AND WHAT WE WANT, UH, OUT OF, OUT OF, UM, THE IA PROCESS AT THIS POINT.
AND SO FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, INTENTIONALLY IN THAT MEMO THAT WE SAY THAT WE WANT THIS OFFICER TO REVIEW THAT IS HOLDING UP THIS STEP IN THE PROCESS AND WE WANT IT TO BE EXPEDITED SO THAT NEXT MONTH WE HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF A, A DATE ON WHEN IT IS THAT THIS, THIS INVESTIGATION WILL GO, I'M GONNA COME IN WITH A COUNTERWEIGHT ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANNA APPEAR TO MICROMANAGE HERE.
I, BECAUSE MOSTLY WE DON'T CARE WHAT THEIR PROCESS IS JUST INSTITUTIONALLY, WE JUST WANT IT TO BE OVER WITH.
THIS IS PEOPLE BEING RUDE TO A CITIZEN ON VIDEO.
IT COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE THAT DIFFICULT AND, AND PEOPLE POINTING OUT ALL OF THE STEPS, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST, I WANT IT TO BE OVER WITH AND TO HAVE THE COMPLETELY OBVIOUS CONCLUSION COME TO SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
AND SO I, I THINK THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE WEEDS WITH THIS AND WE JUST NEED TO SAY, THIS HAS GONE ON TOO LONG.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO STICK TO WHAT WE'RE UNANIMOUS ON.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE UNANIMOUS ON IN MY OBSERVATION.
YOU HEAR ME, JUDGE? MEMBER, MEMBER ALLEN HAS CALLED FOR A, UH, UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THIS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO AND CALL THE QUESTION, RIGHT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF OUR DISCUSSION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE MOTION MADE TO, UH, TO FORMALLY SEND A MEMO TO, UH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, AND WE, SO WHO MADE THE MOTION? OKAY.
I WOULD ASK THAT IT BE NOTED THAT IT'S A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MAJOR LANIS, IF IT'S OKAY.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MOTION, IT'S JUST, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT OKAY.
IS THAT OKAY AT THIS TIME? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR, UH, MAJOR ALANISE ABOUT, UH, IF YOU COULD ENLIGHTEN US ON THE STANDARD OPERATING, UH, PROCEDURE, UM, WHEN THERE IS A, A COMPLAINT FILED, WOULD YOU MIND KINDA SHARING US WITH US, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME? I JUST KINDA WANT TO GET THIS ON RECORD.
UH, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME THAT AN OFFICER IS ASKED TO COME IN FOR QUESTIONING? SO WHEN IT IS ASSIGNED TO A DETECTIVE, THE DETECTIVE HERE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS 45 DAYS TO PUT HIS CASE TOGETHER.
UM, SO THE, UH, DETECTIVE HAS 45 DAYS SO THAT HE CAN PULL ALL THE EVIDENCE, UH, AND PUT HIS CASE TOGETHER.
ONCE THAT IS DONE, IT IS SUBMITTED UP HIS CHAIN OF COMMAND.
SO THERE'S USUALLY A SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT REVIEW THAT HAPPENS.
THERE'S A RECORDS MANAGEMENT REVIEW, AND THEN IT WILL GET ONTO MY DESK FOR ANOTHER REVIEW.
ONCE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE GET TO THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH MR. LANE'S CASE.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE EMPLOYEES ARE CALLED IN AND THEY'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THEIR CASE.
UM, THEY GENERALLY COME IN FAIRLY QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY ALSO WANNA SEE EVERYTHING THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE CASE.
NOW, IF WE WANNA TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON MR. LANE'S CASE, YES, WE DO HAVE AN OFFICER THAT'S OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, I'D HAVE TO CONFER WITH CITY ATTORNEYS ON WHAT KIND OF CONTACT, IF ANY
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INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS ALLOWED TO HAVE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S OUT ON SAID LEAVE.UM, ONCE THE EMPLOYEES COME IN AND THEY REVIEW IT, THEY'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF REBUTTAL STATEMENTS, UH, OR IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT THEY FEEL WE MISSED IN THE INVESTIGATION OR THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED INTO THE INVESTIGATION, THAT COULD DEVELOP INTO A POSSIBLE SUPPLEMENTAL INVESTIGATION OR NOT.
AND THEN IT COULD MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT PHASE.
THE NEXT PHASE IS THEN GOING TO BE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND REVIEW.
THIS IS WHERE THE EMPLOYEE'S CHAIN OF COMMAND, WHICH IS THEIR SUPERVISORS, WILL COME IN AND THEY WILL REVIEW THE CASE.
DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY SEE IN THE CASE, THEY COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A DISCIPLINE OR NOT.
UM, ONCE THAT HAS BEEN DONE THROUGH THAT CHAIN, IT GOES UP TO ONE OF THE HIGHEST LEVELS ON THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS AN ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE.
ONCE IT GETS TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE, HE OR SHE WILL THEN DECIDE WHAT DISCIPLINE, IF ANY, THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY RENDER TO THE INDIVIDUALS.
UM, IF IT'S A CASE THAT HAS A CRIMINAL NEXUS TO IT, THEN THAT IS WHEN IT WILL GO BEFORE CHIEF GARCIA FOR HIM TO RENDER ANY DISCIPLINE IF HE SHOULD CHOOSE TO DO SO.
SO IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S A VERY HIGH OVERVIEW OF THE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND STEPS WHEN IT COMES TO AN INVESTIGATION HERE.
AND, AND JUST TO ASK, UH, THE REPORT, UH, FOR QUESTIONING FOR OFFICERS, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME ON THAT? ARE YOU REFERRING ON WHEN THE, UM, THE DETECTIVE WILL CALL THEM IN? CORRECT.
THAT'S GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT EVIDENCE THE DETECTIVE HAS.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST GONNA DEPEND ON HOW MUCH EVIDENCE HE HAS TO GO THROUGH.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
MOVING ON TO OUR FIVE REVIEWS.
MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND DISPLAY THE VIDEO FOR THAT ONE NOW, OR, ALRIGHT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT COLOR? NO.
I'M GONNA GO BACK UP THERE AND SEE IF HE GOT A TAPE.
I KNOW HE GOT A GUY, I'M GONNA SEE IF HE GOT SOME ON TAPE.
SO YOU SAID STATUS TRAIL, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, THE CHEVRON? YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE CHEVRON RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, UH, YOU MEAN THE WAFFLE WELLS? IHA.
SO, UM, YEAH, YOU JUST PASSED TO GO THE OTHER WAY RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU WERE INSIDE THE GAS STATION? I WAS INSIDE THE GAS STATION.
I'M AT THAT GAS PUMP RIGHT THERE AND I'M MET THAT ONE.
AND YEAH, I'M AT THAT GAS PUMP WHERE THE TRUCK'S AT AND THE GUY JUST BACKS UP AND HIT ME AND HE SPIN AROUND.
HE BACKED UP RIGHT THERE, HIT MY CAR, THEN HE HIT ME UP, JUMPED ON OFF WHERE HIS HIGHWAY AND CAME UP AND I TRIED TO KILL HIM, BUT I LOST.
NOW LET ME, LET'S SEE WHAT THE ADDRESS IS FOR THAT CHEVRON
YOU GO OUT AHEAD AND MAKE A LEFT AT THE LIGHT.
GO ON THE BRIDGE, MAKE ANOTHER LEFT.
I DON'T, ALRIGHT SIR, LET'S, UH, I'M GONNA GO OUTSIDE AND SEE WHERE, UH, WHERE EXACTLY IT HIT.
AND SO THE NEXT VIDEO THAT MR. WILLIAMS IS GONNA PLAY IS SIMPLY WHERE THEY WALK OUTSIDE AND THEY ASSESS THE DAMAGES OF A CAR.
HIS CAR, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S A SHORT VIDEO, BUT JUST WHERE THEY, IT SHOWS THE DAMAGES OF HIS CAR.
AND THAT'S, THIS IS WHERE HE HIT YOUR CAR, SIR.
WHEN YOU GOTTA, I'M GOING DO A SWEEP.
THAT'S I'M SAYING I DIDN'T HIT, THE ONLY REASON THEY DROPPED OFF BECAUSE THEY GOT NO INSURANCE.
WHY Y'ALL GOING TO A STREET AND GET THESE PEOPLE? THIS THE FIRST NEXT CAR I HAD IN MY LIFE, I'VE BEEN WALKING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT JUST GOT ME IN CAR AND THE B***H GETTING TORE UP WITH A M***********S NO INSURANCE AND NOTHING BEING DONE ABOUT IT.
ALRIGHT, SIR, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FRUSTRATED, BUT YOU CAN'T BE TAKING THIS OUT ON ME.
I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A CASE AGAINST ME.
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ALL RIGHT, SIR.LET ME GET YOU THE, UH, THE LITTLE PAPER WITH, UH, ALL THE CASE NUMBERS.
ONE'S GONNA BE FOR THE HIT AND RUN, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA BE FOR, UH, THE ACCIDENT ITSELF.
SO THAT WAS THE VIDEO WHERE THAT, AND THOSE ARE THE TWO VIDEOS OF, OF INFORMATION.
THERE'S MUCH MORE V OF, OF THE, OF THE VIDEOS WHEN IT CAME THROUGH THAT WERE ON THE SHARED DRIVE.
BUT AS FAR AS THAT INCIDENT, SO, SO THE CRUX OF THE MATTER WAS THAT THE, THE GUY THAT HE WAS SPEAKING TO, THE OFFICER THAT THE, THE GEN MR. DAVIS WAS SPEAKING TO, THERE WAS ANOTHER OFFICER THAT WAS BEHIND HIM AS WELL.
AND HE WAS OBSERVING, TAKING NOTES.
AND SO THERE WERE TWO REPORTS FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH REPORT.
THERE'S THE STATE CRASH REPORT FOR, AND THEN AN INCIDENT POLICE REPORT FORM.
ONE OF THE OFFICERS TOOK ONE OF THE REPORTS AND THE OTHER ONE TOOK THE OTHER ON ONE OF THE REPORTS.
THAT WAS MY UNDER UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS A, AN ESTIMATED DAMAGE THAT WAS INCORRECTLY LISTED.
AND THEY BROUGHT, HE BROUGHT IT TO THE COMPLAINT IN HIS FIRST COMPLAINT.
AND THEN IT WAS, THE REPORT WAS MODIFIED TO REFLECT THE CORRECT VALUE.
AND THEN, THEN OTHER THAN THEN THAT WAS THE, AND THE, AND THEN, UH, IAD RESPONDED THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL RULES OR PROCEDURES AND SENT HIM A NOTICE.
AND THEN HE THEN FILED HIS REVIEW WITH ME BASED OFF OF, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THAT, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE TO SHARE WITH THIS CASE.
IT'S MY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS, THERE WAS ALLEGATIONS MADE OF, OF RACIAL PROFILING.
AND I'M NOT ONE TO SPEAK ON THAT EITHER WAY BECAUSE I CAN'T, I, I, I HAVE NO WAY TO JUDGE THE MOTIVE, THE MOTIVE, MOTIVES OF OTHER PEOPLE OR AS FAR AS D ANOTHER.
BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE WAS NO DEPARTMENTAL VIOLATIONS THAT I COULD SEE THAT WERE VIOLATED OTHER THAN THE INITIAL MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE WHEN INCORRECT AMOUNT OF DAMAGE TO THE REPORT, WHICH THEN WAS CORRECTED.
AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD TURN THIS OVER TO THE BOARD FOR A VOTE.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, ALLEGATION OF RACIAL PROFILING WAS THE, UH, SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS, UH, REQUEST FOR, UH, COMPLAINT REVIEW AND IT WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON, UM, UH, MR.
SINCE WHEN DOES THE POLICE OFFICER MAKE AN ASSESSMENT AS TO THE VALUE OF DAMAGE TO A VEHICLE? I, I AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN INCIDENT REPORT AND THEN A DA CRASH VEHICLE CRASH REPORT.
AND I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH, UH, UH, THE OFFENSE LEVEL ON THE INCIDENT REPORT BECAUSE IT WAS A HIT AND RUN BECAUSE IT WAS A OCCUPIED VEHICLE AT THE TIME.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A, A, A BOX TO CHECK ESTIMATED VALUE AT THAT REPORT.
I, I COULD BE, I DON'T THAT, THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION AS WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, IN READING THIS, IT SAYS CLASS SLASH SUBCLASS, INAPPROPRIATE OR UNNECESSARY FORCE.
I SAW NOTHING INDICATING ANY FORCE ANYWHERE.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THAT IS CLASSIFIED AS SUCH? I HAVE NO, THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON THIS ONE.
THAT, THAT ONE, THAT, THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT'S THERE.
THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A TYPO ON MY PART THAT I, ALRIGHT, MR. GRIFFIN, IS THAT HIS HYPO OR IS THAT WHAT THE COMPLAINANT ALLEGED? NO, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MY FAULT.
'CAUSE I, THAT IS NOT WHAT HE ALLEGED AT ALL IN HIS COMPLAINT.
HE ALLEGED THAT THE OFFICERS MADE A MISTAKE ON THE REPORT.
AND ALSO THAT, UM, THE RACIAL PROFILING THAT, THAT IS IN HIS INITIAL REPORTS.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN I WAS TYPING THE MEMO, UH, I WAS WORKING THAT, THAT WAS FROM A, UH, THE NEXT CASE, INAPPROPRIATE USE OF FORCE.
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I THINK I COPIED AND PASTED THE WRONG ONE.RIGHT ALONG THAT, THAT SAME LINE, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I HAD A CAR ACCIDENT.
I HOPING ONE'S NOT COMING UP, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW POLICE OFFICERS DID APPRAISALS AND I THAT WAS AT THE NORTHWEST DIVISION, CORRECT? YES.
I, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT I, AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO, AND, AND IF SOMEONE FROM ID COULD ANSWER MORE CORRECTLY, BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE THERE WAS A, THERE WAS AN OFFENSE REPORT THAT WENT IN THERE AS WELL THAT COVERED THE HIT AND RUN PART.
'CAUSE SOMEONE, HE WAS IN THE VEHICLE, THEY HIT HIM AND THEN THEY DROVE OFF.
SO ONE OF THE OFFICERS TOOK THE HIT AND RUN REPORT.
WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN OFFENSE REPORT.
AND BECAUSE THE OFFENSE REPORT, THE BASED ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE IT DOES, AFFECTS THE DIFFERENT CHARGES THAT YOU HAVE, OKAY.
THERE'S A CHECK BOX THAT YOU WOULD CHECK X AMOUNT, X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, OKAY, I SEE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH REPORT FORM AND A STANDARD ACCIDENT.
BUT THERE, BUT THERE WERE TWO FORMS, OR THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND IF I'M INCORRECT, IF, IF MAJOR ALANIS MAY, MAY WANT TO CORRECT ME, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
NOW, NOW THAT, THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
AND WITH AS ANGRY AS THIS GENTLEMAN WAS, AND AS YOU KNOW, INFORMATION HE WAS STATING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WALKING AND HAVING A BRAND NEW CAR AND SOMEBODY HITTING IT WITH NO INSURANCE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THOSE TWO COMPARISONS MAY HAVE MADE.
AND I DON'T MAKE, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS EITHER.
HOWEVER, I DIDN'T SEE ANY TYPE OF DISCRIMINATION FROM THAT VIDEO.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? ON THIS CASE REVIEW, WHAT ARE WE CALLED UPON TO VOTE ON? WHAT'S THAT ON, ON WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO DO AN INVESTIGATION OR NOT? OKAY.
SO, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, SEEING THAT THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO CONDUCT A INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? I MOVE THE NO INVESTIGATION BE CONDUCTED.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, JUDGE LANDER, UM, DISTRICT EIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE NOT CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS BECAUSE I SEE NO INDICATION OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.
AND THEN DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH SECOND.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? MOTION BOARD MEMBERS? SEEING NONE.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? SEEING NONE, THE AYES HAVE IT.
SO THE NEXT, THE, THE NEXT, THE NEXT ONE IS FOR, UH, ANDREW BERNAL.
AND ANDREW MENAL REQUESTED THAT THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD REVIEW HIS COMPLAINT THAT HE SUBMITTED ON JANUARY THE, OR, OR FOR THE JANUARY 9TH BOARD MEETING.
UM, SO THEN THIS ONE, THE COMPLAINANT ALLEGES INAPPROPRIATE FORCE WAS USED BY DPD DURING HIS ARREST.
AND COMPLAINANT WAS COMPLAINT WAS REVIEWED BY A IAD ON OCTOBER THE 19TH.
DPD SENT NOTIFICATION TO COMPLAINANT THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL RULES.
ON, ON NOVEMBER THE 20TH, THE COMPLAINANT FILED A CIVILIAN REVIEW FORM WITH OCPO RE REQUESTING A REVIEW OF HIS COMPLAINT.
MR. UM, NOW THE REPORT, THE, A BRIEF SYNOPSIS, SYNOPSIS OF THIS IS ON JANUARY THE FOURTH, 2023.
MR. BURNELL WAS EVADED ARREST BY MESQUITE AND DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS, OFFICERS WHO WERE ATTEMPTING TO CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STOP.
HE WAS APPREHENDED ULTIMATELY ON OAK GROVE BOULEVARD.
MR. BURNELL LATER ALLEGED THAT POLICE OFFICERS USED INAPPROPRIATE FORCE DURING HIS ARREST.
AND AS A RESULT, THE FOLLOWING INVESTIGATION WAS CONDUCTED IN WHICH IAD WAS UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL RULES DURING HIS ARREST.
SO BASICALLY HE WAS EVADING POLICE GOING ALL OVER THE CITY IN A CAR, UM, AND WENT ALL OVER, WENT THROUGH ALL OF MESQUITE AND DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND THEN THERE WAS A JOINT ARREST THAT WHERE HE WAS IN, IN, IN INJURED DURING HIS AR APPREHENSION, UH, THAT WOULD INVOLVE BOTH DALLAS POLICE AND MESQUITE POLICE.
AND SO WE DO HAVE A VIDEO, UM, MR. WILLIAMS,
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WHERE'S DRIVING? WHERE'S DRIVING WHERE? HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY.GIMME F*****G, IT'S F*****G FACE CALM DOWN AROUND.
F*****G YEAH, STEVE ONE THANKS TO YOUR HOME.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE VIDEOS IN, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, MULTIPLE VIDEOS OF OFFICERS THAT ARE ALSO ON THE SHARED DRIVE VIEW ON EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
I WATCHED ALL OF THOSE VIDEOS FROM MANY DIFFERENT OFFICERS AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FROM WHAT I, WHAT I SAW, UH, EVERY OFF DPD ARRIVED ON SCENE AND IT WAS MESQUITE PD THAT WAS THERE FIRST.
AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY, THAT APPEARS TO BE A FEMALE MESQUITE POLICE OFFICER THAT MADE INITIAL CONTACT AND, AND PUT THE INDIVIDUAL ON THE GROUND FROM WHAT I'VE SAW.
AND SO THAT'S ALL THAT I SEE THERE.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS THE CO EXTRA COMPLICATIONS THAT COME INVOLVED WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE AGENCIES.
AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD TURN IT OVER TO, TO THE BOARD FOR A VOTE.
UH, DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO, TO THAT ONE? I DON'T.
UM, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UM, MR. GRIFFIN'S MM-HMM.
WAS HE INJURED? DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY INJURIES OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THE ONLY THING THAT I, THE ONLY THING YOU SAW IS, IS FROM THE VIDEO I SAW WHERE ON HIS, WHERE IT APPEARS THAT HE HAD AN ABRASION ON IS OVER HIS EYE DURING THE SCUFFLE.
THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW THERE.
AND HIS, IN HIS COMPLAINT, HE DIDN'T MENTION ANY OTHER INJURIES? NO.
HE MENTIONED THE ABRASION ABOVE HIS, ABOVE HIS HEAD.
THAT THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
NO, NO, HE DID NOT MENTION IT.
HE DIDN'T MENTION THAT'S JUST WHAT YOU SAW, RIGHT? RIGHT.
NO, HE JUST SAID THAT THEY USED INAPPROPRIATE FORCE ON THE, ON THE, AND MESQUITE WAS THERE FIRST WITH THE TAKE DOWN? YES.
THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS FROM EVERYTHING THAT I SAW WAS ALL THE OFFICERS COME RUNNING AND, AND BACKING UP.
AND IT WAS A FEMALE OFFICER WITH MESQUITE.
AND THEN THERE WAS A, SOME ALTERCATION AND THEN, THEN WE BECAME INVOLVED ON THE TAIL END.
INITIALLY FROM MY, FROM THE, THE REPORTS I SAW INITIALLY, IT STARTED OUT IN DALLAS, THEN THEY WERE, IT WAS A ONGOING TRAFFIC, UH, UH, CHASE.
AND THEN IT WENT THROUGH SEVERAL AREAS AND THEN, THEN IT ENDED UP IN MESQUITE, AND THEN HE TRIED TO FLEE MESQUITE, THEN HE WAS STOPPED.
AND THAT'S, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENED, SO.
WHAT I'M NOT SEEING FROM THIS VIDEO IS WHEN HE GETS OUT OF HIS CAR, DID HE TAKE OFF ON FOOT? UH, DID YOU SEE THAT FROM ANY OF THE DIFFERENT ANGLES? NO, I DID NOT.
EVERY, ALL OF THE VIDEOS THAT, THAT I HAD SAW PRETTY MUCH THEY, THERE WAS THE SAME TAKEDOWN OR THE SAME, BUT DIFFERENT OFFICERS FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES.
AND I PROBABLY SAW SEVEN OR EIGHT VIDEOS THAT, THAT, AND THEY ALL, I DID NOT
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SEE THE ACTUAL PART WHERE HE STOPPED AND GOT OUT, STOPPED.AND, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE IF IT WAS MESQUITE, THEY MAY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, BUT, BUT ALL OF THE VIDEO THAT I HAD FROM THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS THAT I, I SAW WAS THAT IT WAS A SIMILAR TO THAT.
BUT JUST DIFFERENT OFFICER OR FROM DIFFERENT BODY-WORN CAMERAS BOARD MEMBER.
I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, MR. GRIFFIN IS CORRECT.
I BELIEVE, UH, MESQUITE WAS ON SCENE FIRST, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE, UM, NOT ABLE TO SEE HIM BEING REMOVED FROM THE VEHICLE.
DO WE KNOW IF HE FILED A, THAT'S FAR AWAY? DO WE KNOW IF HE FILED A COMPLAINT WITH MESQUITE? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT'S WHERE HE SHOULD BE IF HE'S ANYWHERE.
I, I KNOW ON SOME OF THE REPORTS THAT WE GET WHEN IT GOES THROUGH IT, THERE'LL BE, THIS WAS NOT DPD, IT WAS MESQUITE.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IN THERE FIRST, BUT IT CERTAINLY SEEMS TO ME THIS IS NOT A DPD ISSUE.
SO I I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE'VE NOT INVESTIGATE.
SECOND, CAN WE REACH OUT AND SUGGEST THAT HE FILE WITH MESQUITE? IF NO, WELL, NO.
BUT CERTAINLY, I MEAN, HE'S GOT ANOTHER AGENCY THAT HE CAN TALK TO IF HE'S STILL UNSATISFIED AND, AND HE'S MADE A, UM, HE'S MADE AN APPEAL AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY OUTSIDE OUR JURISDICTION, BUT IF HE WANTS TO FOLLOW IT UP, HE MIGHT GET MORE TRACTION WITH MESQUITE THAN US.
THERE'S I THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BEFORE, BEFORE US? YOU SEEING NONE? UM, I, I DO.
WHO, WHO'S THAT ONLINE? JOHN HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE.
SO THE VIDEO STARTS WITH THE TECH D SO IS THAT JUST HOW IT WAS INTENTIONALLY CUT? WE DIDN'T SEE THE OTHER VIDEOS.
I HEAR, UH, THE COMPLAINANT SAYING LIKE, I WAS COMING OVER TO YOU.
WHY'D YOU JUMP ON ME LIKE THAT? OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE FURTHER BACK THAN THAT.
DOES ANY OF THE OTHER VIDEOS, MR. GRIFFIN SHOW FURTHER BACK THAN, THAN, UM, THAN WHEN, UM, THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING BECAUSE YEAH.
MESQUITE WAS ON THE SCENE FIRST, BUT THAT VIDEO THAT WE SAW WAS CUT THERE.
RIGHT? UH, THERE WAS MORE, THERE'S MORE VIDEO IT LOOKS LIKE.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DID NOT SEE THE, THE INITIAL PART.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.
'CAUSE IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON MESQUITE'S BODY-WORN CAMERA OR, BUT I, BUT ALL OF THE VIDEOS THAT WERE, THAT WERE AVAILABLE, UM, ARE ON THE, UH, IN THE SHARE AND THE SHAREPOINT, UH, THE COMPLETE UNEDITED VIDEOS, THERE'S PROBABLY, IF YOU, UH, LOOK AT ALL OF THE OFFICERS THAT I PUT DOWN THERE THAT THEY'RE ALL UNEDITED FOR YOU TO REVIEW, UM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE.
BUT I COULDN'T SEE FROM, FROM ANY PERSPECTIVE THAT I HAD THAT, UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING NOW IS OF COURSE AN EXCELLENT TIME TO POINT OUT THAT AT LEAST FIVE OF US CAN'T GET ACCESS TO THE SHAREPOINT, BUT SHAREPOINT, THAT'S JUST ME BEING PETTY THE NUMBER.
I DO HAVE A, A QUESTION PERTAINING PRIOR TO THE VOTE, UM, DISTRICT 15, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, UH, IF WE WERE TO VOTE FOR AN INVESTIGATION, UH, DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO GAIN ACCESS TO BODY-WORN CAMERA? THAT WOULD BE EARLIER.
WOULD THAT GIVE US, UH, SOME, SOME, UH, SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT WOULD GIVE US A MORE ROBUST PICTURE OF THE SITUATION? WELL, THAT WOULD PROBABLY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING HOW IT WORKS, IF IT, IF IT WAS MESQUITE OFFICERS, THEN IT WOULD BE GOING THROUGH AND INITIATED A PROCESS THROUGH MESQUITE PD AND THEIR, UH, PROCESS FOR THEIR, THEIR VIDEO FOOTAGE.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY WERE THE ONES ON SCENE.
IF THEY HAD, IF THEY HAD ACCESS, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO PROBABLY TRY TO GO ABOUT REQUESTING FROM THE CITY OF MESQUITE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN, AND THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT THAT WOULD BE, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO, BECAUSE ALL I HAVE ACCESS TO IS THE STUFF FROM DPD.
THAT'S ALL I, AND THE FULL VIDEOS FROM DPD ARE ONLINE, SO YOU CAN EITHER GO TO SHAREPOINT AND REVIEW THEM OR, UM, COME IN THE OFFICE IF YOU'RE UNABLE TO ACCESS THOSE.
UM, AND IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO AC ACCESS THROUGH SHAREPOINT, LET ME KNOW AND I WILL CONTINUE ALONG WITH THE OTHER THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT INDICATED THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO VIEW A WORK WITH YOU, UM, AS WELL.
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MEMBERS, WE, WE HAVE MADE A MOTION AND IT WAS SECONDED AND NOW WE HAVE TO VOTE.SO I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA MISS THIS ONE.
OKAY, SIR, YOU, I'LL ASK A AFTER THE VOTE.
UM, SO IT'S BEEN FIRST AND SECOND AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE VOTING.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE VOTING AND THERE'S CLEARLY MORE VIDEO, LIKE EVEN A FEW SECONDS BEFORE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE BEFORE THE TAKE.
THAT AND DPD APPARENTLY HAS THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S LARGE.
MR. HIGGINS, WE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
UM, AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME TO, THE TIME TO DO THIS WAS BEFORE, BEFORE THE SECOND, RIGHT? SO WE COULD MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THAT.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN OUR MOTION.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED TO THE MOTION THAT THIS IS NOT, UM, THAT WE ARE NOT INVESTIGATING THIS? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WAS, RIGHT? THAT WE'RE NOT INVESTIGATING THIS? CORRECT.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE, SO CAN WE GET A VOTE ON THAT ONE? I VOTE YES.
DISTRICT 15, UH, I'M GONNA VOTE NAY AS WELL.
IS MS. WADSWORTH ONLINE? YES, I VOTE.
SO LET'S SEE, WHAT'S THAT? AND HAVE FOUR.
SO THE A'S CARRY, CARRY THE VOTE.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? UM, WHO WE CAN, CAN YOU HEAR BRANDON FREEMAN, DISTRICT 14? YES, GO AHEAD MR. FRIEDMAN.
I, I HAVEN'T VOTED AND UH, SO I'M GONNA BE NICK.
OKAY, CHAIR, THIS IS OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN ALSO VOTE NAY.
IF, IF, UH, WE HAVE VOTED NAYYY TO, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE TOTAL IS NAYYY TO NOT INVESTIGATING, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE ARE INVESTIGATING? YES.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA MAKE SURE.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO QUICK, QUICK, QUICK, QUICK QUESTION.
UM, SO DALLAS COUNTY, DALLAS IS SURROUNDED BY SUBURBS.
DO WE HAVE A POLICY OR PROCEDURE IN PLACE TO WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS AGAIN AND YOU, YOU'RE BEING CHASED THROUGH ONE CITY INTO ANOTHER CITY, BUT THE CHASE INITIATED IN DALLAS, BUT THE CAR STOPPED OR THE TAKE DOWN IS DONE BY ANOTHER DEPARTMENT? LIKE IN THIS CASE, DO WE HAVE A PROCEDURE TO SAY, HEY MISS, HEY, HEY MISSE, WE HAVE THIS PERSON THAT'S FILING A COMPLAINT WITH DALLAS, BUT YOU WERE FIRST ON THE SCENE.
CAN WE SEE THE VIDEO? IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING IN PLACE THAT WE COULD USE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT OR IT'S JUST UP TO THE DISCRETION OF MESQUITE BECAUSE THEY CAN BE LIKE, NAH, OR VICE VERSA? WELL, I THINK THAT IF WE REALLY, ANYBODY WHO REALLY WANTS TO SEE THE VIDEO COULD SEE THE VIDEO BECAUSE OF OPEN RECORDS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
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I DON'T KNOW THAT, I MEAN BY SEEING THAT VIDEO, THE ONLY BENEFIT I COULD SEE FROM THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T OVERSEE MESQUITE, UM, YOU KNOW, POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT? RIGHT.BUT EVEN IN AS MANY OFFICERS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE SHUFFLE OF TRYING TO TAKE THE, UM, THE UH, PERSON DOWN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CLEARLY DETERMINE AT WHAT POINT HIS HEAD WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE INJURY THAT OCCURRED OCCURRED.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S WORTH A SYSTEMIC QUESTION THOUGH BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SITUATIONS IN WHICH MAYBE NOT THIS ONE, MAYBE A DIFFERENT ONE.
THERE MIGHT BE SITUATIONS IN WHICH A MESQUITE BODY CAM COULD BETTER SHOW US WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH DPD OFFICERS THAN DPD BODY CAM COULD.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T SEE OUR PEOPLE'S FACES, YOU SEE JUST WHAT THEIR CHEST SEES.
UM, DO WE HAVE, AND OR COULD WE THINK ABOUT MAKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE OTHER SUBURBAN AGENCIES BECAUSE THERE COULD BE TIMES WHEN WE WOULD WANT THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, WE CAN DEFER TO IAD TO SEE IF THEY, IF ANYONE ON THEIR TEAM IS ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION.
SO AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE INVESTIGATION, IF WE HAD TO REACH OUT TO ANOTHER AGENCY FOR ANY TYPE OF FOOTAGE OR OTHER EVIDENCE, WE DO WORK WITH THOSE OTHER AGENCIES.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WITH THIS CASE, THE INITIAL CONTACT WITH THE TAKE DOWN, RIGHT? ALL THAT HAPPENED WITH MESQUITE DPD WAS NOT THERE.
UH, WITH ALL THE OTHER VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS WHEN DPD WAS ARRIVING, THAT'S, WE DID NOT FIND WHERE WE WERE, THE CA WHERE DPD WAS THE CAUSE OF THAT INJURY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER.
UH, MR. VICE CHAIR? YES, GO AHEAD.
UH, JUST, JUST ONE THING, JUST TO GO BACK, UH, JUST TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE EASIER FOR EVERYBODY, I THINK WE CHANGED SOMETHING IN THE PAST.
UH, WE DON'T MAKE A MOTION TO NOT VOTE FOR, TO NOT VOTE FOR AN INVESTIGATION.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MOVE THAT WE INVESTIGATE, THEY MAKE A MOTION AND WE VOTE ON IT.
BUT IF NO ONE MOVES THAT WE INVESTIGATE, THEN THERE'S NO INVESTIGATION.
BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES TONIGHT IS SOMEBODY'S THOUGHT I MOVE THAT WE DO NOT INVESTIGATE AND THEN WE VOTED ON NOT INVESTIGATING, WHICH IN THE PAST WE NEVER DID THAT.
IF, IF IT WASN'T A MOTION, IT'S LIKE WE JUST, THERE JUST WASN'T AN INVESTIGATION.
IT DOES MAKE MORE SENSE THAT WAY.
SO I JUST, I I THINK THAT WOULD CLAR, BUT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE VOTING TO INVESTIGATE OR TO NOT INVESTIGATE AND UH, SO I WOULD AGREE UNLESS I GOT YOU.
SO WE JUST MAKE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WE DID IN THE PAST.
SO THE MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION, UM, THERE WERE, I GOT YOU, I GOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE FUTURE MOTIONS MOVING FORWARD REFLECT THAT, THAT WE ARE, THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, A MOTION TO APPROVE OR TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION.
VICE CHAIR, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT.
OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE IF WE'LL FORWARD.
IF NOBODY MAKES THAT MOTION, THEN THERE'S JUST NO INVESTIGATION.
VICE CHAIR OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE.
THANK FOR THE UTMOST CLARITY, WE SHOULD, UM, EXCUSE ME, TAKE THIS VOTE AGAIN SO WE'RE NOT ANSWERING A NEGATIVE QUESTION AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE GET INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE.
SO THE QUESTION, THE, THE MOTION SHOULD BE SHOULD WE INVESTIGATE THE POSITIVE, UH, QUESTION AND THEN THAT WAY WE'LL KNOW IF THE YAS ARE YES TO INVESTIGATE OR THE NAYS OR NOTE TO NOT INVESTIGATE.
AND BOARD MEMBERS, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR MOTIONS, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE MAKING THAT MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION.
ALRIGHT, HE'S, HE'S ASKING FOR US TO RE-VOTE ON THIS ONE.
RIGHT? SO THE, THE MOTION STILL STANDS.
WELL IT'S A, IT'S AN AMENDED MOTION NOW, RIGHT? SO IT'S A MOTION TO INVESTIGATE.
UM, THE CASE OF MR. BERNAL IS ANYONE, IS ANYONE GONNA MAKE THAT MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION FOR TWO A TWO MR. BERNAL'S CASE? I MOVE
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THAT WE INVESTIGATE MR. BERNAL'S CASE.IS THERE A SECOND? DISTRICT 15? JOHN MARK? I SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALRIGHT, SEE NONE EVERYONE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
DISTRICT ONE A, I'M SORRY, NAY.
DISTRICT ONE OFFICER SMITH NAY.
DISTRICT THREE A NAYYY, NOT NAY.
YOU MADE THE MOTION AND I'LL VOTE FOR IT.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO TWO A THREE.
SO KEVIN ROBINSON WAS REQUESTING THAT THE COMMUNITY POLICE, UH, OVERSIGHT BOARD REVIEW HIS COMPLAINT, UH, AT THIS MEETING.
SO IN THIS, A SYNOPSIS OF THIS INVESTIGATION IS THAT HE ALLEGES THAT, UM, HE WAS ASSAULTED IN A DPD CASE NUMBER 23 DASH 0 2 3 7 6 2 9.
THAT POLICE OFFICERS THEN LIED ABOUT THE VIDEO EVIDENCE IN THE CASE AND COMPLAINANT STATES THAT HE WAS HIT BY A FEMALE OFFICER BY A FEMALE, AND THAT THE OFFICERS ARE STATING THE CAMERA DID NOT SHOW THAT INFORMATION.
OCPO REVIEWED THE RE REVIEWED THE RECORDED INTERVIEW OF THE INCIDENT WHERE DETECTIVES ARE EXPLAINING THAT THE PERSON IN QUESTION NEVER MADE CONTACT WITH MR. ROBINSON.
MR. ROBINSON DISAGREED WITH THIS, UH, ASSERTION BY THE DETECTIVE AND THEN HE THEN FILED A, UH, A REQUEST FOR REVIEW.
UM, AND I DID, I DID REVIEW HAVE, UH, TWO, TWO SEPARATE VIDEOS TO, TO WATCH.
UH, ONE IS THE INTERVIEW WITH MR. ROBINSON AND THE DETECTIVES, AND THEN I ACTUALLY HAVE VIDEO FROM THAT WAS CAME FROM WHERE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED.
IT CAME FROM ANOTHER, UH, OUTSIDE AGENCY THAT THEY GAVE TO DPD THAT SHOW OR THAT THAT SHOWS THE INCIDENT IN PLAY IN QUESTION.
SO, UH, WE ARE, YOU'RE IN THE VIDEO.
IS THERE A PARTICULAR ORDER, MR. GRIFFIN, IN WHICH YOU WANT TO SHOW THE VIDEO? YEAH, THE DETECTIVE VIDEO FIRST.
OH, Y'ALL ABOUT TO PICTURES IN THE ROOMS, HUH?
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SO WE HAVE TO PULL THIS UP.OH, Y'ALL ABOUT PICTURES IN THE ROOMS? HUH? HERE'S THE, THE VIDEO.
NOW WHY SHE JUMP OVER THE THIS? SO I GOT CLOTHES.
WHY SHE JUMP OVER? SEE, SHE IS IT STOPPED.
NO, I'M, SHE STOPPED AND IT STOPPED.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THERE WAS NO CONTACT, THERE WAS CONTACT.
MAN, MY PHONE WAS, STUFF FELL OUT.
I'M RECALLING, SEE THERE, SHE DID NOT MAKE VIOLENT COPIES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO ON YES SHE DID, BRO.
I DON'T, THERE IS MY PHONE, BRO.
THERE IS NO ZOOM FUNCTION ON HERE, MAN.
WE'RE GONNA DO THIS DIFFERENTLY.
SHE DIDN'T TOUCH YOU? YES, SHE DID, BRO.
SLOW DOWN BECAUSE THIS, THIS PLAYER IS NOT MEANT FOR THIS, FOR THIS VIDEO.
IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT DESIGNED FOR IT.
SO I'M TRYING TO, THERE'S NO SLOW, SLOW.
SEE WHY IT STOPPING? BECAUSE I'M STOPPING IT.
MY PHONE DID FELL ON THE, THE GROUND.
AND SO THAT WAS, UH, THIS WHERE HE WAS, WENT OVER THE INCIDENT AND NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER VIDEO TO SHOW THE ACTUAL VIDEO.
THE INCIDENT, UH, THAT TOOK PLACE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE THIS VIDEO HAS, UH, NO AUDIO.
THEN THIS, UH, THIS VIDEO HAS NO AUDIO, BUT IT, IT SHOWS THEM WHERE HE'S BASICALLY, HE WAS, UH, AT, AT THE PUBLIC PLACE AND THERE'S A LADY, A RECEPTIONIST, AND HE, HE WAS THERE SHOWING HIS CAMERA BEING AGGRESSIVE, UH, POINTING THE CAMERA.
AND THEN, UH, YOU SEE THE VIDEO WHERE SHE ATTEMPTS TO MOVE THE CAMERA OUT OF HER FACE, BUT YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE WHAT'S GOING HERE.
UH, THAT WHEN THE ORANGE YEAH, IN THE, IN THE ORANGE SHIRT.
NO, THE HE'S HE'S THE ONE AT THE FRONT DESK, THE, ON THE, ON THE IN THE CRUTCHES THERE AS HE WAS THE ONE AND HE WAS SHOWING THAT THE INCIDENT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO, YOU SEE HIM? YEAH.
UH, UH, MR. GRIFFIN, LET'S JUST LET KEVIN REPLAY WRONG PERSON.
BUT HE'S THE ONE YES, CORRECT.
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DID I MISS IT? UH, SOMEWHAT.I WILL SAY THAT THE VIDEO SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE STAGGERED IN, UH, PRESENTING, BUT IT DOES SHOW BETTER, UM, OUTSIDE OF THESE CHAMBERS.
UM, AT WHAT POINT IS SHE ALLEGEDLY HITTING HIM? THERE'S A POINT WHERE HE APPROACHES, UM, THE COMPLAINANT A APPROACHES THE FRONT DESK RIGHT THERE, RIGHT BEFORE SHE LEAVES.
HE IS, UM, ATTEMPTING TO, I ASSUME RECORD HER AND SHE DOES REACH OUT, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS DISCOURTEOUS.
AND IT APPEARS THAT SHE TRIES TO EITHER GRAB THE PHONE OR TO KNOCK IT OUT OF HIS HAND.
I, YOU CAN'T REALLY, I CAN'T TELL FROM THE VIDEO.
UM, IT DOES NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT CLEAR ON WHETHER CONTACT WAS MADE, BUT THE PHONE DID NOT DROP.
AS YOU WILL NOTICE, UM, HE NEVER PICKS IT UP FROM THE GROUND BECAUSE IT'S NOT OBSERVED THAT THE PHONE EVER DROPPED AS HE INDICATED IN HIS INTERVIEW WITH DPD OFFICERS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IN MY VIEW, IT DOES APPEAR THAT SHE WAS BEING DISCOURTEOUS, UM, IN REACH, EVEN ATTEMPTING TO REACH OUT TO TOUCH HIS PHONE, TOUCH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER SHE WAS TRYING TO DO.
BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THERE WAS ANY CONTACT THAT WAS MADE.
IS THIS THE BPD OR THIS? NO, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS A, IT APPEARS TO BE A CLINIC OR SOME TYPE OF, UM, INSTITUTION THAT IS NOT A CITY OF DALLAS.
AND, AND, AND SO THIS THING IS A CITY OF, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ISSUE WAS THAT MR. ROBINSON, HIS COMPLAINT WAS THAT THEY WERE ALTERING THE VIDEO AND THAT, AND THAT THEY WERE N NOT NOT, AND THEY WERE NOT HIS COMPLAINT OR HIS, FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE, HE WANTED THIS LADY ASSAULT CHARGES PRESSED ON THIS LADY.
AND BECAUSE THEY DID NOT DO SO THAT WAS WHAT HIS COMPLAINT AGAINST DPD WAS.
AND SO, AND SO THEN WHEN THEY SENT DPD DECLINED HIS COMPLAINT AND SAID OR, OR SAID THAT THERE WAS NOT, UH, BASICALLY WHEN THEY COME BACK AND SAID THERE WERE NO ALLEGATIONS, HE THEN COME TO US AND FILED A REVIEW TO REVIEW THE THAT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, THE WOMAN THAT HE'S ACCUSING, HE SAYS SHE'S AN OFFICER, DOESN'T APPEAR THAT SHE'S AN OFFICER.
WHAT? SHE'S CLEARLY NOT A A A POLICE OFFICER.
WHAT? BUT IS SHE A CIVILIAN POLICE EMPLOYEE? OH NO.
SHE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DPD.
HE'S JUST SAYING THAT SHE FAILED THE DPD FAILED TO ACT, RIGHT? HIS COMPLAINT, YEAH, HIS COMPLAINT WAS DPD FAILED.
YOU WANTED DPD TO PROSECUTOR AND THEY REFUSED TO DO SO.
AND I, AND THAT'S SEEMS PRETTY SILLY, BUT ANY ANYWAY, THANK YOU MR. GRIFFIN.
THAT WHEN HE WAS ARGUING WITH THEM THAT SHE KNOCKED IT OUT OF THEIR, HIS HAND UHHUH AND HE WAS SAYING THEY WERE MANIPULATING THE VIDEO.
I SEE WHERE HE GOT IT DOES GET A LITTLE CHUNKY, BUT DIRECTOR, DO YOU DIRECTOR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ON THIS, ON THIS CASE? I DON'T.
BOARD MEMBERS, UM, ARE WE IN, SO IS THERE A MOTION, IS THERE A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? IS THERE A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? LAST CALL.
IS THERE A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO TWO A FOUR, WHICH IS MR. OR I, LET ME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MR. OH, MR. MATHIS.
SO WITH THIS ONE, I DON'T HAVE ANY VIDEOS WITH THIS ONE.
UM, BUT THIS IS, UH, SO KEVIN MATHIS IS REQUESTING THAT THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD REVIEW HIS COMPLAINT, SO ON.
NOW, THIS IS, UH, ON SEPTEMBER THE FIFTH, THE COMPLAINANT FILED A COMPLAINT WITH, WITH IAD ALLEGING THAT DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FAILED TO PROPERLY INVESTIGATE HIS CASE, WHICH HE WAS ARRESTED FOR IN APRIL OF 2020.
MATHIS ALLEGES THAT DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENTS WERE UNTRUTHFUL IN THEIR TESTIMONY.
THAT LED TO HIS ARREST ON OCTOBER THE SECOND.
THE COMPLAINANT WAS, UH, THE, ON THE COMPLAINANT WAS PROVIDED A LETTER FROM IAD THAT STATED, IAD DID NOT ROUTINELY INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS RELATIVE TO GUILT OR INNOCENCE, AND THAT HIS COMPLAINT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.
COMPLAINANT THEN MAILED A LETTER TO OCPO REQUESTING HIS CASE BE REVIEWED, UM, AND THE, SO THAT WE RECEIVED THAT AND HIS,
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UH, REVIEW REQUEST, UM, FROM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I ATTEMPTED TO LOOK FOR VIDEOS WITH THIS AND HE WAS INDICTED.UM, IT WAS A, OR, OR ON MY UNDERSTANDING THIS WAS A INVESTIGATION THAT WAS CONDUCTED, A JOINT TASK FORCE, UH, UH, INVESTIGATION THAT AL ALSO INVOLVED, UH, THE A TF AND, UH, OR THE DEA IS WHAT I BELIEVE THE DEA, BUT IT WAS A, IT WAS A JOINT TASK FORCE OPERATION AND FROM 2020 AND I COULD NOT FIND ANY VIDEOS TO REVIEW FOR THIS MATTER.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS.
UM, UNLESS IF IAD HAS SOME, SOME SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR THIS CASE.
UM, JUST TO, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AS MR. GRIFFIN STATED, THIS CASE IS FROM 2020 AND, UH, COMPLAINANTS ONLY HAVE 60 DAYS TO, UM, APPEAL, UM, INCIDENTS THAT OCCUR, UM, WHEN THIS INCIDENT CAME THROUGH, UM, AS ALL, UH, COMPLAINTS ARE, UH, SUBMITTED TO IAD, UM, FOR A EC NUMBER AND FOR US TO DISCUSS AND REVIEW, AND IN THIS CASE IT COULD HAVE BEEN STATUS AS, UM, A NO COMP.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
HOWEVER, IAD DID TAKE A LOOK AT HIS INVESTIGATION AND AS SUCH, THEY STATUS, UH, THE INVESTIGATION AS, UM, NOT SUBSTANTIATED.
IT COULD, IT COULD HAVE AND PERHAPS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS, UM, TIME, I'M SORRY, YEAH, BASICALLY OUT OF TIME, WHICH WE WOULDN'T BE HEARING IT TODAY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS, UH, CLASSIFIED, UM, THAT IS WHY WE ARE PRESENTING IT BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, CLASSIFICATION, IT DID GIVE HIM THE RIGHT TO, UM, ACT TO REQUEST A REVIEW, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK.
BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LEMME KNOW, WHAT WAS HE ARRESTED FOR? UH, IT WAS, UH, ALL I, ALL I COULD TELL IS HE'S STILL, HE'S STILL CURRENTLY IN, IN JAIL FOR THIS DAY AND HE WAS COMMUNICATED TO US THROUGH, UH, FROM, FROM THE, UH, LETTERS THROUGH PRISON.
SO HE'S STILL IN JAIL FOR THIS CASE.
SO WAS HE CONVICTED? WAS DID HE YES.
GO THROUGH A TRIAL AND ALL OF THAT? HE DID.
WE DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO THE POSITION OF SECOND GUESSING TRIALS.
UM, IT'S NOT OUR JURISDICTION AND CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO START OUT.
WAIT, WAIT, HE'S, HE'S IN THE JAIL OR HE'S BEEN CONVICTED? HOW DO YOU NO, HE'S BEEN CONVICTED.
IT WAS A CAME HE WAS WRITING FROM THE, FROM THE PRISON.
NOT FROM THE DALLAS COUNTY JAIL.
NOT DALLAS COUNTY JAIL PRISON.
UH, ON THE OFF OF THIS CASE IN 2020.
BOARD MEMBERS IT, GIVEN, GIVEN WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OF THIS CASE, IS THERE A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY THE OCPO? IS THERE A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION? NO.
MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION.
SO MS. TENISON, OKAY, SO THE NEXT ONE, I DON'T HAVE ANY VIDEOS FOR THIS ONE EITHER.
AND THIS IS A COMPLAINANT, MS. CARMEN PETIT TENON.
UM, AND SHE, AND BASICALLY THERE WAS, UH, SHE, SHE FILED BASICALLY THREE SEPARATE COMPLAINTS ALL ON THE SAME DAY BACK THAT WERE ALL RELATING KIND OF THE SAME ISSUES.
UH, SHE FILED THREE SECOND CO COMPLAINTS ALLEGING THAT AN OFFICER MISCONDUCT AT HER APARTMENT BY AN OFFICER BLACKSTONE, AND THEN IED REVIEWED THE COMPLAINTS AND WERE, UH, WERE UNABLE TO IDENTIFY A DPD EMPLOYEE NAMED OFFICER BLACKSTONE.
UM, I HAVE SINCE, SHE'S SINCE CALLED ME ON THE PHONE AS WELL, AND SHE'S TOLD ME ALSO THAT SHE THINKS THAT MAYBE A OFF ANOTHER OFFICER BY THE NAME OF BURNSIDE, BUT THERE'S, BUT THERE'S NO ONE THAT WE CAN SELL THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH DPD ACTUALLY HAD CONTACT WITH THIS, WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL, UH, FROM, BUT THE COMPLAINANT WAS SENT A LETTER BY A IAD ADVISING HER THAT SHE FAILED TO ARTICULATE A COMPLAINT THAT REQUIRES AN IN, IN AN INVESTIGATION BY IAD.
THE COMPLAINANT THEN FILED A CIVILIAN REVIEW FORM
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REQUESTING HER CASE BE REVIEWED.SO THEN SHE WAS MAKING ALLEGATIONS OF IMPROPER BEHAVIOR BY THIS OFFICER BLACKSTONE OR, UH, SUCH AS SPYING ON HER THROUGH HER WINDOW.
DPD RECORDS DID NOT INDICATE ANY CALLS FOR SERVICES TO THE AREA IN QUESTION DURING THE TIMEFRAMES MENTIONED BY THE COMPLAINANT, AND THAT THERE WAS NO OFFICER BLACKSTONE LISTED EMPLOYEE OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THERE WERE NO VIDEOS OR BODY-WORN CAMERAS FOR OCPT PO TO REVIEW REGARDING THIS INCIDENT IN QUESTION.
NOW, AND I HAVE TALKED TO THE, TO THIS, TO THE, TO THE LADY ON THE PHONE A COUPLE TIMES, AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT MAY BE THAT THERE'S SOME TYPE OF A, HER APARTMENT COMPLEX, THERE MAY BE A SECURITY GUARD THAT SHE'S HAVING ISSUES WITH THAT SHE MAY BE ASSUMING IS A POLICE OFFICER, BUT IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE SENSE WHEN I TALK TO HER TO ACTUALLY ESTABLISH WHAT THAT IS.
BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT DOESN'T INVOLVE IT.
NOTHING INVOLVED DPD FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
BUT HER APARTMENT IS IN DALLAS.
AND SO IT WOULD BE DPDS JURISDICTION? THAT IS CORRECT.
BUT THERE WERE NO CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT IS AT HER COMPLEX ON THE DAY IN QUESTION.
THAT, THAT I COULD FIND NOTHING AND, AND THERE'S NOTHING ON ANY, ANY INFORMATION THAT I HAD AND I, I LOOKED EVERYWHERE.
DIRECT DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? UM, I JUST WANNA ALSO POINT OUT THAT THERE WERE THREE SEPARATE COMPLAINTS, UM, AND THERE'S NO RECORD OF ALL THREE.
BOARD MEMBERS, UM, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS MR. BALL? GO AHEAD.
UH, BRIAN BARR, DISTRICT FIVE, UM, DO WE KNOW HOW SHE GOT IT IN HER MIND THAT IT WAS AN OFFICER BLACKSTONE THAT THE NAME BLACKSTONE IS, DID SHE SEE IT ON, UH, A VEST OR DURING, UH, IN HER INITIAL COMPLAINT, IT SAID THAT, THEN WHEN I TALKED TO HER ON THE PHONE, I DID SPEAK TO HER ON THE PHONE AND SHE SAID THAT IT WAS A OFFICER BURNSIDE THAT IT WAS INCORRECT.
BUT THEN SHE'S ALSO SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I'VE ALSO GOTTEN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT COMPLAINTS FROM HER REGARDING THE SAME ISSUE, DIFFERENT ISSUES, UM, AND TRYING TO SORT THAT SORT ALL OF THAT OUT IS WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT'S ALL THAT I, ALL THAT I KNOW AT THIS TIME HAVE WE LOOKED INTO AT ALL IF THERE'S AN BURNSIDE AT THE DBTI? I HAVE NOT, UH, LOOKED FOR BURNSIDE.
I JUST SPOKE TO HER ON THE PHONE JUST RECENT, UH, A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON AND CHECK.
MA MAJOR ALANIS, ARE YOU ONLINE? YES, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE A, AN OFFICER BURNSIDE ON THE FORCE? WE WOULD'VE TO CHECK OUR RECORDS AND THEN WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU.
I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU AND THE DIRECTOR.
SO, I, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS, UM, SHE ACCUSED THE OFFICER IN QUESTION BLACK BURNSIDE AND BLACKSTONE YES.
OF, OF DOING THINGS LIKE LOOKING IN HER WINDOW, PEEPING IN HER WINDOW, AND, AND BECAUSE, AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WOMAN IN DISTRESS WHO'S IN FEAR THAT SOMEONE IS SPYING ON HER THROUGH HER WINDOW.
IN, IN YOUR CONVERSATION WITH HER, DID YOU SENSE THAT IN HER TONE? SHE, I, I, UH, SHE WAS DEFINITELY, UH, UPSET AND, UH, WAS, UH, A COUPLE TIMES SHE WAS, UH, CRY.
SHE, SHE WAS CRYING TO ME DIFFERENT.
SHE WOULD, UH, CRY AND, UH, OVER DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
SHE'S PROBABLY CALLED ME LIKE THERE, THERE FOR A WHILE.
SHE WAS CALLING ME EVERY DAY TO CHECK ON THE STATUS, WHAT HER COMPLAINT.
AND I'M JUST LIKE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING IT TO THE BOARD.
I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT TO TELL HER AT THIS POINT.
I DO THINK THAT SHE NEEDS SOME TYPE OF ASSISTANCE THAT'S MORE THAN THAN I, THAN I'M, THAN I'M QUALIFIED TO, TO GIVE HER.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
BUT AT, BUT AS FAR AS HOW IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT WITH DPD AND THIS BOARD, I HAVE NO, NO, NO.
I WISH THAT THERE WAS SOME WAY WE COULD PINPOINT WHERE IF IT WAS AN OFFICER THAT HAD CONTACT WITH HER, THEN WE COULD HAVE CAMERAS OR FOOTAGE OR VIDEOS TO REVIEW.
AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SECURITY AT THAT APARTMENT
I, I, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I COULD FOLLOW UP OR, OR, UH, MAYBE HAVE THAT, YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME.
OKAY, SO FOR THE CASE THAT IS BEFORE US, UM, FOR MR, FOR
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AN OFFICER BLACKSTONE, THIS IS A MOTION FOR OFFICER BLACKSTONE.WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS FOLLOWING UP WITH THE COMPLAINANT OKAY.
AND DO A SEPARATE ONE FOR MR FOR OFFICER BURNSIDE.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT IED CAN LOOK INTO AND YOU CAN WORK WITH THEM ON IT.
BUT FOR, FOR BLACKSTONE, FOR OFFICER BLACKSTONE, THERE IS NO PERSON.
AND, UH, THERE'S NO CALLS TO D TO DPD.
THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO RESPONSES TO HER APARTMENT.
SO, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, IS THERE A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR OFFICER FOR THIS COMPLAINT AND OFFICER BLACKSTONE? I'LL CALL IT AGAIN? IS THERE A, IS THERE A MOTION TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR THIS COMPLAINT QUESTION AS PART OF THAT MOTION? UM, UH, IS THE, IS THAT AS PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION, WOULD THAT BE MR. GRIFFIN GOING TO CHECK TO SEE, UH, TO, IS THAT, WHAT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? YES.
THAT, THAT, THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN ON, THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN FOLLOWING THIS MEETING.
WE'VE GOTTA CLOSE THIS ITEM OUT.
HE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE COMPLAINANT FOR THE OFFICER BURNSIDE NAME THAT WAS GIVEN.
AND THEN THAT WILL BE BROUGHT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING OR WHENEVER, WHENEVER THEY'VE GOT THE INFORMATION TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD.
IS THERE A MOTION CHAIRMAN BO, BEFORE WE GO CALL FOR A MOTION CHAIRMAN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT DPD SHOWS THAT NO OFFICER WENT OUT THERE.
SO THE OFFICER'S NAME SEEMS WAY SECONDARY TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF AN OFFICER CALLED.
SO I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING TO INVESTIGATE BECAUSE THERE'S DPD LOGS IN EVERY SINGLE CALL, RIGHT? NO, I'M WITH YOU.
WE'RE FORMALLY, UM, CLOSING OUT THIS COMPLAINT AND THEN THEY'LL FIND OUT IF THERE'S A SECOND COMPLAINT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT THAT COMPLAINT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO CORRECT.
THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, LET'S CLOSE THIS ONE OUT.
I THINK WE'RE RUNNING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, NO QUESTION.
AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO WASTE THE, UH, OFFICER'S OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR'S TIME IN TRYING TO PURSUE THIS BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE AND SHE CAN COME UP WITH A BLACKENED STAIN AND WE KEEP ON GOING ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND.
OH, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN NO INFORMATION ON HOW SHE CAME UP WITH A NAME.
THERE'S BEEN NO INFORMATION ABOUT THERE BEING AN OFFICER FROM DPD SENT THERE.
WE'RE RUNNING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS THE FINAL CALL, INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR THIS COMPLAINT.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS MR. GRIFFIN.
UH, BRIAN BA, DISTRICT FIVE WITH THE YES.
QUICK COMMENT THAT'S RELATED TO MM-HMM.
IT'D BEEN MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING, I THINK, AND I WOULD JUST, UH, BRING THIS UP AGAIN.
WE'D PREVIOUSLY HAD RECEIVED THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT AS PART OF THE, BEHIND THE, THE MEMO ITEM.
AND I WOULD, UH, MAKE THAT REQUEST AGAIN.
IT, IT WASN'T NECESSARY FOR THESE CASES.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, I THINK IT IS VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT FOR US TO READ OVER OUR OURSELVES IN, IN COMBINATION WITH WHAT'S IN THE MEMO, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS UPLOADED TO SHAREPOINT.
SO THERE WAS PACKETS AND THE VIDEOS.
THE, ALL, ALL OF THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WAS, SHOULD BE ON SHAREPOINT AS WELL.
SO, BUT IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD BE EASY TO PUT IN OUR, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ISSUES WITH SHAREPOINT THAT GO WITH THAT.
MY, MY REQUEST IS TO, UH, HAVE IT IN THE, THE BINDER ITSELF.
AND THAT SEEMS, THAT'S REASONABLE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT GETS DONE REASONABLE.
AND ON BEHALF OF THOSE OF US WHO HAVE NO ACCESS TO SHAREPOINT, WE DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO, UH, THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT FROM, UH, FROM MR. GRIFFIN.
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MR. GRIFFIN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, UH, MR. CHAIR, THE SOLE, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE, ALL THE LIST OF THE, UH, EXTERNAL COMPLAINT SUMMARIES THAT THE OFFICE OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT SAW FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER.WE HAD 38 COMPLAINTS THAT CAME IN DIRECTLY FROM THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
AND THEN ALSO LISTED THERE IS, UH, COMPLAINTS THAT WE WERE OUR MONITORING THAT WERE EITHER DIVISION REFERRALS OR THAT WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, DURING OUR WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH IAD THAT WE ALSO HAVE HIGHLIGHTED, HIGHLIGHTED AS WELL.
ALL OF THAT IS ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET.
UH, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I, I, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? ON THIS FORM? IS THIS FORM, IS THIS FORM LAYOUT STILL WORKING FOR EVERYONE? YES.
WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UH, SHOWING YOU DATA THAT, THAT IS HELPFUL.
AND I DON'T HATE THE CHART, BUT THE ALL CAPS IS JUST BLOWING OUT MY EYEBALLS.
CAN WE GET NORMAL CAPITALIZATION? ABSOLUTELY.
WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, I HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH MR. GRIFFIN AS WELL, BUT HE WAS BEING HELPFUL IN SAYING THAT IT WAS HARD TO SEE, SEE IF IT WASN'T IN CAPS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED.
BUT, UM, IF THE BOARD PREFERS THAT IT NOT BE IN CAPS, UH, WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT AS WELL.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MR. GRIFFIN OR THE DIRECTOR? OH, UM, IF IT'S, I, I CAN SEE THAT A LOT OF THESE CALLS ARE FROM THE SAME PEOPLE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO GROUP ALL OF THE SAME PEOPLE TOGETHER? IT WOULD GIVE VISUALLY AN EASIER PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE THAN HAVING TO REMEMBER THAT I'VE SEEN THAT NAME BEFORE IN THE CHART.
SO I KNOW IT GOES CHRONOLOGICALLY, BUT MAYBE IF THERE ARE MULTIPLES, RIGHT? WE DO DO IT IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND CONSIDER THAT REQUEST.
VICE CHAIR I HAVE A QUESTION FOR.
THE DIRECTOR, THIS IS DISTRICT 15 OF THE LIST OF COMPLAINTS THAT, UH, YOU KINDA DISAGREED WITH OR HAD A QUESTION ABOUT.
UM, DO YOU PLAN ON BRINGING ANY OF THESE UP TO THE BOARD IN THE COMING MEETINGS? SO, UM, WE DO HAVE FROM EVERY MEETING, UM, A LIST OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE MOD MONITORING TO, UH, REVIEW THE OUTCOME.
AND IN THE DASHBOARD THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN TO, UM, TO DETERMINE HOW MANY, UM, OUT OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS AND DIVISION REFERRALS, IF THERE WAS CORRECTIVE ACTION THAT WAS, UM, GIVEN, UH, TO THE OFFICERS AS A RESULT.
UM, AND SO YES, I DO PLAN ON, UM, SHARING THAT INFORMATION.
AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, WHEN WE HAVE MORE STAFF IN THE OFFICE, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO PERFECT DIFFERENT PROCESSES, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, UM, AT THOSE OUTCOMES.
AND I DO EXPECT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT, I WOULD SAY 45 DAYS.
WELL, UH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION AS WELL.
UM, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH STAFF DO YOU HAVE? JUST THREE.
SO WHEN THE NEXT DIRECTOR COMES ON, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING REINVENTING THE WHEEL AGAIN? NO.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE GOOD POLICIES IN PLACE TO STILL, BUT, BUT THERE'S STILL THAT PERSON WILL HAVE IN MIND
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WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND TIME.
RIGHT? WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES WHEN THE NEW DIRECTOR COMES, BUT AT LEAST THERE'LL BE A PROCESS AND PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT CAN CONTINUE THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT? UH, YES.
MR. BOW, THIS IS MORE RELATED TO STAFF WORKFORCE.
UM, AND IT'S JUST A, A QUESTION FOR THE INTERIM DIRECTOR.
WE HAD, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAD HIRED, UH, LAW SCHOOL INTERNS FOR LAST YEAR.
VOLUNTEERS, PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY SERVICE.
SO IT WASN'T LIKE ONE LS WHO WERE, WELL, I DON'T, I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS AS PART OF THEIR REQUIREMENT TO GRADUATE, THEY HAD TO DO COMMUNITY SERVICE.
IT'S LIKE AN INTERNSHIP BASICALLY.
AND YEAH, I I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS A PROCESS IN PLACE TO KEEP DOING THAT BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL BEFORE.
I THINK THEY WERE JUST, I RECALL MAYBE YOU'RE JUST IN THE SUMMER THOUGH.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING ITS A, IT'S, I'M SURE DR. GILBERT SMITH.
I I DID HAVE JUST ONE, UM, QUESTION FOR THE DIRECTOR ON, UM, IN THE COMPLAINTS, THE 1211 FROM MERRILL COMPLAINANT ALLEGES, DPT OFFICER CRENSHAW PUNCHED HIS WINDOW DURING THE TRAFFIC STOP.
WHY IS THAT NOT ON YOUR LIST? IS THAT THE CASTILLO ONE? WHAT'S THAT? THERE'S NO PAGE NUMBER, BUT 12 11 20 23 MERRILL, I GUESS IS THE COMPLAINANT ALLEGED THAT OFFICER CRENSHAW PUNCHED HIS WINDOW DURING A TRAFFIC STOP.
BUT THAT ONE IS NOT ON YOUR LIST TO REVIEW.
UM, I'LL LET JAMES SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IN MOST CASES, IF IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, IT'S BECAUSE THE BODY WORN CAMERA, UH, CLEARED THAT PERSON POLICY.
IS THAT NOT A POLICY VIOLATION? SOUNDS LIKE A POLICY VIOLATION.
MR. GRIFFIN, DO YOU RECALL THAT COMPLAINT IN PARTICULAR? SO, UH, SO I'M LOOKING THAT UP NOW AND, AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, LET ME, AND THAT WAS EC 1211, EC 20, 20 97.
NO, SO WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND SO BASICALLY, UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, IT WAS BECAUSE WHEN THAT ONE WAS, UH, I, I DON'T EVEN THAT, I KNOW THAT WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE AND WE BOTH CAME TO THE CONCLUSION, UM, DIRECTOR, HOW ABOUT WE DO THIS? HOW ABOUT, UM, REVIEW 1496 AND JUST, UM, CONFIRM THAT THERE WAS NOTHING UNTOWARD THAT OCCURRED ABSOLUTELY.
THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO.
AND THEN WE CAN, UM, AND IF IT IS, IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO, THEN YOU CAN, UH, REVISIT, RE REVISIT THAT ONE, MAYBE ADD IT TO THIS COMPLAINT, UH, TO YOUR LIST, UM, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION OR, UH, DISAGREED WITH.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY OTHER, UH, COMPLAINTS? THANK YOU DR. GILBERT SMITH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? UH, MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 13TH.
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WE WILL, UH, IT COULD BE HERE, IT COULD BE IN THE HORSESHOE.WHO KNOWS? UM, WE MAY HAVE A BOARD CHAIR BY THEN.
WHO KNOWS? I'M, UH, VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
COULD, COULD, UM, EITHER OF YOU SEE THAT OUR BADGES WORK? YOUR BADGES NOT WORKING.
WON'T YOU IN WON'T LET ME IN MINE.
I DON'T, I THINK, I THINK WHAT I'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN YEARS AGO AND YOU JUST HAVE TO GO DOWN TO, OH, WELL THEY HAVE TO SEND THE REQUEST.
AND I DID SEND A LIST AND I KNOW YOUR NAME WAS ON IT, UM, INDICATING THAT IT SHOULD BE REACTIVATED.
IF IT HAD BEEN DEACTIVATED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE, IF THERE, UM, TIME HAS EXPIRED, I THINK SECURITY WAS TAKING THEM OFF.
BUT I WILL SEND RE UH, SEND THAT, UH, EMAIL TO SECURITY.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE DID ALSO TO THE SHAREPOINT UPLOAD, UM, THE, UM, BUSINESS CARD FORMS. IF YOU ALL NEED BUSINESS CARDS, BUT WE ALSO PRINTED SOME OUT AND THEY'RE HERE.
IF YOU WANNA TAKE ONE WITH YOU AND THEN SCAN IT TO US, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ORDER BUSINESS CARDS, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO.
CAN YOU ADD MY NAME TO THE BADGE? THE BADGE.
AND WHEN IS THE ISSUE OF ADDRESS? SOMETHING EMAIL.
SAY GO IN AND TRY TO SET IT UP AGAIN OR, YEAH.
SHOULD WE GO, SHOULD WE TRY TO RESET OUR PASSWORD? IT'S A SORE SUBJECT.
I DON'T WANNA SET MISS, UH, UH, EXPECTATIONS THAT I CAN'T DELIVER UPON.
UM, I'M NOT THE OWNER OF THE SHAREPOINT.
I'M WORKING WITH IT TO TRY TO RECTIFY THAT.
IT COULD BE THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW SHAREPOINT, UM, BUT I AM ON AT LEAST, AT LEAST EVERY TWO WEEKS, IF NOT WEEKLY REACHING OUT TO IT AND OTHERS TRYING TO OBTAIN ACCESS, UM, TO BECOME THE OWNER.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT SHAREPOINT IS THE ONLY APPROVED WAY TO SHARE FILES? WELL, I DID REQUEST, UM, FROM IT SECURITY, UM, AN UPDATE ON WHAT MAY BE THE BEST WAY.
THEY DID CONFIRM THAT SHAREPOINT WAS A SECURED MEANS.
UM, I DIDN'T RECEIVE A RESPONSE BACK ON IT.
THERE WAS ANOTHER PLATFORM THAT WE COULD USE THAT CONVERSATION, UH, WAS JUST LAST WEEK REGARDING REQUEST FOR ANOTHER PLATFORM.
UM, AND I WILL FOLLOW UP AGAIN THIS WEEK AND IF IT'S, IF I DON'T SEE, UM, AN END IN SITE, THEN I WILL START THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A NEW SHAREPOINT.
I JUST HATE THE FACT THAT THERE'S SO MANY YEARS OF DOCUMENTS IN THE OTHER ONE THAT COULD POSSIBLY NOT BE CARRIED OVER.
SO I AM ATTEMPTING TO RECTIFY THAT ISSUE.
UM, INSTEAD OF BUILDING A NEW SITE DIRECTOR, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT I COULD SPEAK TO? UM, ON THE IT, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, MY WORK SHAREPOINT COMES UP AND WHEN I CLOSE THAT AND I PUT IN THE CODE AND I GET TO YOURS, BUT I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING.
AND I DID, UM, THERE WERE A FEW BOARD MEMBERS THAT REACHED OUT AND, UH, TODAY AND I DID SHARE, UH, IT'S PHONE NUMBER WITH THEM AND ASKED THEM TO REACH OUT.
AND SO I'M HAPPY TO SEND OUT AN EMAIL WITH IT'S, UH, TELEPHONE NUMBER SO THAT YOU ALL CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
BEFORE WE WRAP, UM, HOW DO I GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA? JUST LET ME KNOW.
UM, REAL QUICK, PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY INDIVIDUALS PRESENT OR ONLINE WHO ARE, UH, WHO WANT TO DO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? ROGER.
UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO SECONDED.
UH, THIRD
ALRIGHT, UH, THE TIME IS EIGHT FIVE 0:00 PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
APPRECIATE Y'ALL, AND WE'LL SEE YOU.