Jan 22, 2024 Housing and Homelessness Solutions

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GOOD MORNING.

[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on January 22, 2024.]

YEAH. 9:10 ON JANUARY 22ND.

AND I'M CALLING THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE TO ORDER.

FIRST ITEMS OF BUSINESS ARE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

NOW WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 19TH SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.

IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVED.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. MOTION.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

WE'LL NOW GO ON TO BRIEFING ITEM C.

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I'M THOR ERICKSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION, HERE THIS MORNING WITH DIONNE ROBERTS, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF TDA CONSULTING. AND ONLINE WE HAVE NOAH WOODWARD, WHO'S A TECHNICAL CONSULTANT WITH TDA.

AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE ENTIRE TDA TEAM FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND STARTING TO IMPLEMENT THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033.

OUR BRIEFING TODAY, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, A RECAP OF THE CURRENT POLICY WHERE WE ARE TO DATE WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS. FOCUS HEAVILY ON PILLAR NUMBER ONE OF SELECTING OF THE COMMUNITY EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREAS.

HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF THE UPCOMING HOUSING POLICY TASK FORCE AND THEN END WITH OUR NEXT STEPS.

ON SLIDE THREE, THE BACKGROUND, LAST YEAR, APRIL 13TH, THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY WAS ADOPTED ALONG WITH THE DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG.

THAT POLICY INCLUDED SEVEN PILLARS OF HOUSING EQUITY, WHICH I'LL RECAP QUICKLY ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

PILLAR NUMBER ONE ASKED US TO IDENTIFY SPECIFIC DISPARITIES IN HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND REDUCE THEM UTILIZING A TARGETED APPROACH.

THAT IS WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING MOST OF TODAY AND HOW WE USE A DATA DRIVEN PROCESS.

THAT TDA CONSULTING, CONDUCTED ON OUR BEHALF, TO WALK THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND THAT DATA.

THE OTHER PILLARS TALK ABOUT CITYWIDE PRODUCTION AND CITYWIDE PRESERVATION ASPECT, INFRASTRUCTURE ALIGNMENT, COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER EXTERNAL PARTNERS.

COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WRAPS AROUND ALL OF THE WORK WE DO, WHICH WE'LL HIGHLIGHT TODAY AND HOW WE DID THAT.

AND COMMUNITY EDUCATION PILLAR, WHICH TALKS ABOUT HOW WE HAVE FORUMS AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ON WHAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR HOUSING ISSUES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

ON MAY 9TH OF LAST YEAR, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE CONTRACT WITH TDA CONSULTING TO SPECIFICALLY DEVELOP A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY, TO BUILD AN INCLUSIVE HOUSING TASK FORCE, TO SELECT EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREAS, WHICH ARE PILLAR ONE, TO WORK ON A WAY THAT WE COULD DEVELOP AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO HAVE BETTER COLLABORATION, FORMALIZE OUR COMPLIANCE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND THEN WORK ON REFINING SELECTED PROGRAMS. WE'LL HEAR FROM DIONNE TODAY ON ALL OF THESE ASPECTS AT SOME LEVEL, WITH MOST OF OUR CONVERSATION BEING FOCUSED AROUND THAT PILLAR NUMBER ONE OF THE EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREAS. SLIDE SIX.

TO GET US TO EQUITY STRATEGY, TARGET AREAS THAT WOULD SHOW CURRENT CONDITIONS BASED ON HISTORICAL DISPARITIES.

TDA DEVELOPED A HOUSING EQUITY INDEX THAT USED THE MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS.

THIS ANALYSIS WAS RECENTLY CONDUCTED AND UPDATED BY THE REINVESTMENT FUND.

PREVIOUSLY UPDATED IN 2019, THE 2023 UPDATE SHOWS US THE CURRENT CONDITIONS ACROSS THE CITY OF DALLAS, SO WE UNDERSTAND OUR WEAKER TO STRONGER MARKETS FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE.

AND THE DALLAS THIS SLIDE SHOWN HERE IS NOT THE UPDATED SLIDE, BUT THE DALLAS RACIAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT TOOL, IS WHAT WAS USED FROM AN EXISTING DATA SET IN THE CITY THAT OUR, OUR OFFICE OF DATA, AND EQUITY HAS USED TO SCORE THE CITY OF DATA, OR CITY OF DALLAS.

SO WHEN WE MARRY THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, WE HAVE WHAT WE CREATED AS A HOUSING EQUITY INDEX.

I'LL NOW TURN THIS PRESENTATION OVER TO, TO DIONNE TO LEAD US THROUGH THE WORK THAT THEY PERFORM.

THANK YOU DIONNE. THANK YOU THOR AND GOOD MORNING COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE APPRECIATE BEING HERE WITH YOU THIS MORNING DESPITE THE RAIN, AND ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE WORK THAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE PAST MONTHS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT. WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ON SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN IS A REFLECTION OF THE THREE PRIMARY DATA SETS THAT WERE USED FOR THE PURPOSES OF DEVELOPING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AS THOR NOTED, WE WORKED WITH THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION TO UTILIZE THE RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT TOOL THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED, AND WHICH

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SO IT IS A TOOL THAT'S IN ACTIVE USE BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.

WE USED THE MVA, THE MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS THAT THOR MENTIONED, AND THEN WE ALSO TOOK AN ADDITIONAL STEP AND WORKED WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS, WHERE WE BELIEVE THEIR INVESTMENTS HAVE THE MOST POTENTIAL IMPACT ON COMMUNITIES IN TERMS OF INCREASING IMMEDIATE QUALITY OF LIFE AS IT SPECIFICALLY RELATES TO HOUSING.

AND SO WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS OF DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, PUBLIC WORKS, TRANSPORTATION, PLANNING, AND PARKS AND REC IN BEING VERY FORTHCOMING AND SHARING OF THEIR PLANS AND HOW THEY PLAN TO INVEST THEIR DOLLARS IN THE COMING YEARS.

NEXT SLIDE. WHAT YOU WILL SEE HERE IS THESE THREE PIECES WERE USED TO DEVELOP AN EQUITY INDEX.

THE FIRST TWO PIECES, THE EQUITY TOOL AND THE MVA, WERE BASICALLY WEIGHTED EQUALLY.

SO THEY WERE LOOKED AT SORT OF AS EQUALS IN THE DATA SET.

AND THEN THE INFORMATION FROM OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS IN TERMS OF INVESTMENTS WAS PROVIDED AS AN OVERLAY.

THIS ALLOWED US TO IDENTIFY AREAS THAT HAVE, SIGNIFICANT DISPARITIES AS WELL AS WHERE THEY STAND IN THE MARKET. AND SO WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE, AND WHAT WE WILL GO INTO EVEN FURTHER IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES, IS THAT THE DARKEST BROWN AREAS ARE THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DISPARITIES AS WELL AS LOW MARKET INTERVENTION.

AND THEN WE WORK OUR WAY DOWN TO THE BLUES, WHICH HAVE OF THESE FOUR, THE LEAST DISPARITIES AND THE HIGHEST MARKET ENGAGEMENT.

OBVIOUSLY THE ENTIRE CITY IS NOT COVERED IN COLORS THIS MORNING BECAUSE WE STOPPED AT SORT OF THE FIRST FOUR LEVELS.

SO THAT IT WOULD NOT, FRANKLY, BECOME TOO OVERWHELMING.

BUT THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE ALL APPROPRIATE FOR SOME LEVEL OF INVESTMENT AND WHERE THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN BE TAKEN. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

IN ADDITION TO THE DATA AND TRYING TO USE A SORT OF NUMERICAL AND VERY SPECIFIC DATA SET DRIVEN APPROACH.

WE ALSO SPENT, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME, OUTREACHING TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS NOT NEW.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS A CONTINUATION OF ENGAGEMENT THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN OCCURRING, AND IT IS ALSO NOT STOPPING.

SO THE CONTINUING, ENGAGEMENT WILL PICK UP IN FEBRUARY, WHERE WE WILL BE OUTREACHING NOT ONLY TO THE CITY AT LARGE, BUT ALSO MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE SELECTED TARGET AREAS, TO REALLY BEGIN TO ENGAGE THEM IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY SEE THE NEEDS AND THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THEIR AREAS. AS YOU WILL SEE, IF WE COULD JUST GO BACK FOR ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.

SORRY. WE CONDUCTED A TELEPHONE TOWN HALL, WHICH IS REALLY, AN INFORMATION SHARING TOOL.

SO PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S MOSTLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE USED VERY SUCCESSFULLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

I WILL NOTE THAT YOUR NUMBERS WERE HIGHER THAN NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN, EVEN WHEN WE'VE DONE STATEWIDE TELEPHONE TOWN HALLS FOR PLACES LIKE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. SO THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT ON THE RESIDENTS SIDE WAS FRANKLY, VERY IMPRESSIVE AND REALLY HELPED US TO UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THESE AREAS.

THERE WERE 641 RESPONSES TO THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY NEEDS SURVEY, AND WE WILL TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THAT DATA SAYS.

AGAIN, THAT SURVEY WILL BE REVISED AND REPOPULATED TO GO BACK OUT, TO CONTINUE TO GATHER THIS INFORMATION.

AND I WILL ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE HIGHEST RESPONSE RATES WE HAVE SEEN.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IN A CITY THE SIZE OF DALLAS 641 RESPONSES ON ITS FACE MAY NOT APPEAR TO BE A GREAT RESPONSE, BUT IT ACTUALLY, FOR SOMETHING THAT IS ASKING ABOUT SOMETHING SO SPECIFIC, REALLY DOES SPEAK TO THE LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF VIRTUAL AND IN-PERSON MEETINGS, AS WELL AS FOCUS GROUPS THAT WERE CARRIED OUT WITH A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS.

AND AGAIN, THIS ENGAGEMENT WILL CONTINUE.

BUT THESE EFFORTS WERE SPECIFICALLY AROUND GETTING FEEDBACK AROUND NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY AND HELPING US TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT WHAT THE DATA WAS

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NEXT SLIDE. SOME OF THE INFORMATION ON THE SURVEY.

THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE FOUND TO BE PARTICULARLY INTERESTING.

AT THE BOTTOM LEFT, WHERE IT SAYS HOW LONG RESIDENTS PLAN TO STAY IN THEIR CURRENT HOUSING, YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY ARE INTENDING TO STAY IN THEIR EXISTING HOUSING SITUATION FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS, WHICH, FRANKLY, IS IN A TIME WHERE THE AVERAGE HOUSING SITUATION IS THREE YEARS OR LESS. VERY IMPRESSIVE AND REALLY SPEAKS AGAIN TO A COMMITMENT THAT YOUR RESIDENTS HAVE TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

I THINK IT WILL ALSO BODE WELL FOR THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT THAT THEY WILL HAVE IN THESE EQUITY AREAS.

ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHERE YOU SEE THAT THEY WERE ASKED TO RATE THE NEED FOR THAT FOLLOWING HOUSING ACTIVITIES.

NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ACTIVITIES WERE SEEN TO HAVE A, MEDIUM TO HIGH NEED.

AND THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED BASED UPON WHAT THE DATA SHOWS AS THE NEEDS.

THE ONE THING THAT DID NOT RATE QUITE SO HIGHLY WAS ACTUALLY DEMOLITION.

AND I THINK THAT'S A REFLECTION OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVATION OF EXISTING HOUSING STOCK AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A RECOGNITION THAT THERE IS ALREADY NOT ENOUGH QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO TO JUST DEMO IT WITHOUT A PLAN FOR REPLACEMENT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT FOLKS APPEAR TO BE OVERLY INTERESTED IN, AND I THINK THAT'S QUITE UNDERSTANDABLE. NEXT SLIDE.

THE LAST TWO THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FROM THE SURVEY RELATE TO THE COLLABORATION PILLAR, AND CONVERSATIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT HOW THE INVESTMENTS OF THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT SHOULD ALIGN WITH OTHER INVESTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY BEING MADE, AND THESE ALSO ALIGN TO THE DATA SETS THAT WE ASKED FOR FROM PARKS AND REC, FROM THE UTILITIES, FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS. AND SO WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT THERE IS A REAL INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY, AGAIN, IN MAKING SURE THAT ANY INVESTMENTS THAT ARE CARRIED OUT BY THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT DO ALIGN WITH THE OTHER INVESTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY BEING MADE MOST HEAVILY.

WHAT YOU SEE IS SPECIFICALLY AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES.

BUT OVERALL, I THINK THE THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS ARE CERTAINLY LOOKING FOR THE TYPE OF APPROACH THAT YOU HAVE REQUESTED, WHICH IS ONE OF AN INTEGRATED APPROACH THAT CONSIDERS HOW ALL OF THESE INVESTMENTS IMPACT EACH OTHER AND CAN INFLUENCE EACH OTHER.

AND THEN THE FINAL THING I WILL NOTE IN TERMS OF AREAS THAT SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED, AGAIN, NOT SURPRISINGLY, WITH ONE BEING HIGHEST PRIORITY, EVERYTHING IS A PRIORITY BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT LACK OF QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THE NEED FOR THAT ACROSS ALL MODALITIES AND ALL TENURE TYPES IS CERTAINLY BEING REFLECTED.

AND SO WHAT THIS REALLY TOLD US IS THAT THE EXPERIENCE OF YOUR RESIDENTS IS REFLECTED IN THE DATA SETS THAT WERE BEING USED.

AND SO WE REALLY DID THE OUTREACH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DATA SETS WERE NOT REFLECTING SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT THE EXPERIENCE AND THE LIVED EXPERIENCE OF THE FOLKS WHO WERE ACTUALLY IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

NEXT SLIDE. SO AS A RESULT OF UTILIZING THE THREE TOOLS THAT WE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY, NEED SURVEY AND OTHER FOCUS GROUPS, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY STAFF TO IDENTIFY THREE PROPOSED EQUITY TARGET AREAS.

NEXT SLIDE. AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE OF THESE AREAS IS THAT THEY COMPRISE ABOUT 10% OF THE TOTAL CITY. AND I WILL SAY THAT NARROWING IT DOWN FROM THE 15 TO THE THREE WAS PERHAPS THE HARDEST PART, BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AREAS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT NEED.

BUT THE TARGET AREAS ARE INTENDED TO IDENTIFY PLACES WHERE INVESTMENT IS OVERLAID WITH INVESTMENT FROM NOT ONLY OTHER PUBLIC DEPARTMENTS, BUT ALSO THE PRIVATE MARKET.

SO WHERE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH PRESERVATION AND PRODUCTION IN VARIOUS WAYS.

SO YOU WILL SEE AGAIN THAT IT'S ABOUT 10% OF THE TOTAL GEOGRAPHY OF THE CITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, THE HOUSING SALES PRICES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE MEDIAN.

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VERY MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER IN TARGET AREA NUMBER TWO, IT'S MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE CITY AVERAGE AND THEIR EQUITY INDEX SCORES.

SO CITYWIDE, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BY THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION SCORED THE CITY OVERALL AT A 2.1.

IN TERMS OF LEVEL OF DISPARITY.

THE THREE PROPOSED TARGET AREAS ARE 3.9 AND ABOVE.

SO THESE ARE AREAS WITH NOT ONLY SIGNIFICANT NEEDS AND OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ALSO SIGNIFICANT DISPARITIES.

SO OVERALL, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THE COMMUNITIES NOT ONLY HAVE SOME SORT OF HISTORICAL DISPARITIES, BUT ALSO WHERE THE MARKET VALUE HAS SHIFTED SIGNIFICANTLY.

I'M SURE AS THOR HAS BRIEFED YOU PREVIOUSLY, YOU RECALL THAT THE IN SOME OF THE AREAS OF YOUR CITY, THE MARKET VALUE ON FOR SALE HOUSING HAS MOVED MORE THAN 40% IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

AND THOSE AREAS ARE REPRESENTED IN THESE THREE TARGET AREAS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO TARGET AREA ONE.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, YOU CAN SEE THE BASIC INFORMATION IN TERMS OF POPULATION AND HOUSING UNITS.

CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, YOUR AREAS MUCH BETTER THAN I DO, BUT REALLY WITH TARGET ONE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, OPPORTUNITIES TO BOTH PRODUCE AND PRESERVE.

SO THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PRESERVATION, THAT THOR CAN SPEAK TO AROUND FAIR PARK AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IN PLAY HERE.

BUT YOU WILL ALSO SEE THAT THE BREAKDOWN OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE HOUSEHOLDS IS ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY OVERALL, AND SO YOU SEE A MUCH LOWER PERCENTAGE OF OWNER OCCUPIED, HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF RENTAL, MUCH HIGHER RATE OF FOLKS LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LINE.

I WON'T GO THROUGH THESE ITEM BY ITEM, BUT JUST TO SUFFICE TO SAY THAT THIS AREA IS AN OPPORTUNITY AREA THAT WE BELIEVE HAS SIGNIFICANT SPACE FOR PRODUCTION AS WELL AS PRESERVATION AND REALLY FOR IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS, GIVEN THE INTENTION OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL, TO PROVIDE INVESTMENTS.

NEXT SLIDE. TARGET AREA TWO IS THE ONE THAT I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED WHERE THE VACANCY RATE IS ALMOST 7%.

SO THERE IS A LOT GOING ON HERE.

THE HOME OWNERSHIP RATE IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE CITY AVERAGE, WHICH IS VERY GOOD.

BUT THE POVERTY RATE IS ALSO EXTREME IN TERMS OF BEING MORE THAN DOUBLE THE AVERAGE FOR THE CITY.

SO AGAIN, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT AT THE TOP THIS AREA IS ACTUALLY BOUNDED BY THE TRINITY RIVER.

AND SO AS YOU LOOK AT SORT OF HOW SOME OF THESE LINES ARE DRAWN, SOME OF THEM ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE ACTUAL GEOGRAPHY OF THE LOCATION AND JUST RECOGNIZING SORT OF NATURAL LAND BARRIERS.

TARGET AREA THREE PLEASE.

NEXT SLIDE. AND FINALLY WE HAVE TARGET AREA THREE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAPPING, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PRODUCTION.

THERE IS ALSO OPPORTUNITY FOR PRESERVATION AS WELL.

YOU WILL SEE THAT THE MEDIAN YEAR FOR STRUCTURES INTERESTINGLY, IS ACTUALLY THE CITYWIDE AVERAGE.

SO THESE ARE NOT SOME OF THE OLDEST HOMES IN THE CITY LIKE THEY ARE IN TARGET AREA TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THERE ARE ABOUT 20 YEARS ON AVERAGE OLDER THAN THE CITY AVERAGE.

BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE.

AND THANKFULLY I HAVE NOAH WOODWARD.

IF WHEN WE GET TO QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE VERY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AROUND THE DATA AND HOW IT SHOWS UP IN DIFFERENT AREAS BECAUSE HE DID LEAD OUR DATA TEAM.

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OH, SO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN TARGET AREAS VERSUS ACROSS THE CITY, RIGHT.

BECAUSE I KNOW AND WOULD IMAGINE, FRANKLY, THAT, TARGET AREAS ARE NOT INTENDED TO ELIMINATE CITYWIDE FUNDING AND A CITYWIDE FOCUS ON SOME VERY IMPORTANT THINGS.

SO TARGET AREAS WILL BE USED FOR THINGS LIKE IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC PROJECTS, POTENTIALLY HAVING BONUS POINTS IN FUTURE.

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AND IT ALSO IS REALLY INTENDED TO, AGAIN, HELP THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO REALLY ALIGN ITS RESOURCES WITH THE OTHER RESOURCES, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, THAT ARE ALREADY GOING INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT STEPPING ON EACH OTHER, BUT RATHER ARE LEVERAGING AND MAXIMIZING HOW MUCH THESE INVESTMENTS ARE ABLE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE AND IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE.

HOUSING, AS YOU KNOW, OPERATES THREE DISTINCT CORPORATIONS AS WELL, SOME OF WHICH ARE ON THE AGENDA TODAY, AS WELL AS PROGRAMS FOR HOME REPAIR AND HOME BUYER. AND THOSE WILL CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE CITYWIDE.

SO THEY WILL NOT BE REDUCED TO ONLY SERVING THESE SPECIFIC TARGET AREAS.

THERE ARE NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY FOR THESE PROGRAMS AND THAT WILL CONTINUE.

AND PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THE TARGET AREAS WILL CONTINUE AS WELL.

AND SO THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO ELIMINATE, RESOURCES OR INVESTMENT IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THESE THREE GEOGRAPHIES, BUT REALLY RATHER INTENDED TO AMPLIFY THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE IN THESE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.

NEXT SLIDE. WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TASK FORCE AND LOOK FORWARD TO OPENING APPLICATIONS NEXT MONTH. THIS GROUP, AS WAS NOTED IN THE ORIGINAL POLICY DOCUMENT, IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE ADVISORY SERVICES AND ACT AS A RESOURCE FOR THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT ON AN ONGOING BASIS, SO IT IS NOT INTENDED TO ONLY BE BROUGHT TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, IN ADVANCE OF BRIEFINGS SUCH AS THIS IS IS INTENDED TO MEET REGULARLY AND TO REALLY PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND SUPPORT BOTH ON TARGET AREA INVESTMENTS AS WELL AS ON INVESTMENTS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED CITYWIDE.

I WILL NOTE THAT THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION SUGGESTED A TASK FORCE SIZE OF 24 MEMBERS.

WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT THAT MIGHT BE A BIT CHALLENGING TO WRANGLE.

AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL TASK FORCE MEMBERS, THERE IS AN INTENTION TO ENGAGE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY BASED UPON THE SPECIFIC TOPICS AT HAND.

SO OBVIOUSLY, RECOGNIZING THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE THREE TARGET AREAS MIGHT WANT TO BE MORE ENGAGED IN ITEMS THAT SPECIFICALLY RELATE TO THEM AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THE APPLICANT REVIEW WILL INCLUDE FOLKS FROM THE HOUSING STAFF AS WELL AS THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND I BELIEVE ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE EQUITY COMMITTEE.

SO THE INTENTION IS TO GET THE APPLICATIONS OUT NEXT MONTH AND I BELIEVE HAVE THE INITIAL KICKOFF BY APRIL SO THAT AS THESE TARGET AREAS ARE COMING INTO PLAY AND THE INITIAL OUTREACH IS HAPPENING WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES, THE TASK FORCE IS ALSO ENGAGED IN BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE INSIGHTS AND FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY THE TARGET AREAS, BUT ENSURING, AGAIN, THAT THE CITYWIDE INVESTMENT IS NOT SORT OF LEFT ON THE TABLE OR LEFT BEHIND IN THIS PROCESS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO JUST A COUPLE OF NOTES.

WE, AS YOU NOTE, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO LAUNCH NEW COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES AS WE GET INTO THE EQUITY AREAS AS WELL AS NEW CITYWIDE STRATEGIES.

WE ARE LOOKING AT FINALIZING THE PROCESS FOR THE HOUSING TASK FORCE AND LAUNCHING THAT IN THE COMING MONTHS, AND THEN ALSO CONTINUING TO WORK ON FINALIZING THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WITH THE COMPLIANCE TEAM WITHIN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS REALLY A SEPARATE, INITIATIVE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE UNDERTAKING. FINALLY, THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT HAS OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE CALLED NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION STRATEGY AREAS AND RSAS, WHERE A COMMUNITY CAN APPLY TO HAVE A SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTIFIED AND DESIGNATED AS AN NRSA FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACCESSING ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITIES IN HOW THOSE HUD FUNDS, AND MOST SPECIFICALLY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS, ARE UTILIZED.

SO IN THE COMING MONTHS, THE CITY WILL BE CONSIDERING AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT WILL BE LOOKING AT IF IT IS APPROPRIATE TO REQUEST FROM HUD NRSA DESIGNATIONS FOR ANY OF THE PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND MOVING THAT PROCESS FORWARD.

THANK YOU. DION.

AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON SIMPLIFYING AND STREAMLINING SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS. MOST OF NOTE IS OUR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, WHICH WILL BE COMING TO YOU IN FRONT OF COUNCIL VERY SOON.

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WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING ENGAGEMENT, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THE TARGET AREAS THAT THEY'VE BEEN DEFINED, AND WORKING WITH DION AND HER TEAM TO REFINE THAT STRATEGY AND THEN TO FORM AND START TO MANAGE THAT NEW HOUSING TASK FORCE THAT WILL BE A REGULAR, ONGOING PART OF THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS AND REALLY REPRESENTS THAT PILLAR AROUND EDUCATION. ON SLIDE 20, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED JUST SOME OF THE SMART GOALS TO ACHIEVE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY MORE THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED IN THE HOUSING POLICY, AND IN MY NEXT QUARTER UPDATE, I'LL GIVE A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION OF WHERE WE ARE ON EVERYTHING.

BUT OF NOTE, WE'RE WORKING CURRENTLY ON THE TARGET AREAS AND UNDERSTANDING THE METRICS THAT WE PLAN TO TRACK IN THOSE AREAS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BETTER WAY TO NOT ONLY IDENTIFY THE AREAS, BUT THE PILLAR CALLED TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE DISPARITIES AND THEN STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS THEM.

THE CITY IS EMBARKING ON ITS, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROCESS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

AND THERE'S DIRECT ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IN THESE AREAS AND HOW IT RELATES TO OUR CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BRIEF, PREVIOUSLY THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH DATA BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE TO DEVELOP A LIVE DASHBOARD THAT SHOWS OUR DATA.

SO THAT SHOULD COME ONLINE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND THEN OF NOTE IS BUILDING THAT TASK FORCE AND THAT NETWORK OF COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS TO REALLY, ACTIVATE THAT PILLAR AROUND EDUCATION AND.

GAUGE MEANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND ADVOCATE FOR OUR WORK.

WITH THAT, THAT'S OUR BRIEFING TODAY, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS TO YOU ALL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

I'M GOING TO START WITH CHAIRMAN WEST BECAUSE I KNOW HE SUBMITTED SOME QUESTIONS AT THE TIME.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN I APPRECIATE IT.

AND I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW.

SO JUST CUT ME OFF WHEN I'VE HIT MY LIMIT.

I APPRECIATE THE QUARTERLY UPDATE.

NICE JOB.

MY CONCERN OVERALL IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE OTHER THAN JUST ONE PILLAR OF THE SEVEN PILLARS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ENGAGED TDA WITH.

SO WE'RE, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS HOUSING POLICY.

WE'VE APPROVED IT ALMOST A YEAR AGO, AND WE'RE REALLY JUST HEARING ABOUT ONE PILLAR OF SEVEN TODAY.

YOU KNOW, AT THIS RATE, IF WE DON'T ACCELERATE THIS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO ROLL THIS OUT.

LIKE, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THAT? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MOVEMENT ON ON OTHER PILLARS, AND I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH A MORE DETAILED FRIDAY MEMO AFTER THIS, WHICH COULD HIGHLIGHT SOME OF IT.

BUT OF NOTE, THE OFFICE OF EQUITY JUST HAD A SYMPOSIUM ON MLK FOCUSED ON HOUSING.

THAT WAS A BIG PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO HIGHLIGHT HOUSING AND ADVANCE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

A LOT OF OUR CORPORATIONS HAVE MANY UNITS ON THE GROUND AS RELATES TO OUR CITYWIDE PRODUCTION.

SO THERE'S THERE'S ASPECTS THAT I CAN HIGHLIGHT MORE SPECIFICALLY AS THEY RELATE TO EACH PILLAR FOR YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, I JUST AND I'M COMPARING THIS IN MY HEAD TO WE WENT IN TANDEM WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY WHERE WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS WORKING ON THIS, AND IT SEEMED INCREDIBLY AGGRESSIVE ON PUSHING THIS THROUGH AND THIS COMPARING IT TO THAT, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST NOT BEING AS AGGRESSIVE.

AND SO PROVE ME WRONG, PLEASE.

YOU KNOW, COME BACK AND SHOW ME THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD MORE AGGRESSIVELY.

OKAY, ON THE EQUITY TARGET AREAS, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I CAN TELL YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH, BUT I GUESS JUST ON A GENERAL QUESTION, LIKE ON I SEE COMMUNITY INPUT HERE.

YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE TELLS ME IN A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT I JUST WONDER HOW IT TRANSLATES.

AREAS THAT SHE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED, AREAS THAT LACK AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT WAS ON SLIDE 11.

AND THAT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FROM THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT AREAS THAT LACK AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED.

HOW DOES THAT ANSWER, AND ALL THE OTHER ANSWERS FROM THE COMMUNITY TRANSLATE TO THE THREE AREAS YOU SELECTED? THE AREAS THAT NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE TYPICALLY FIND HAVE THE MARKET CONDITIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE CHANGING OR MARKETS THAT ARE REALLY STRONG AND NEED MORE.

SO THERE ON BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN IT COMES TO THE AREAS IN TOWN WHERE WE HAVE RESOURCES TO DEPLOY, WHERE WE CAN PRESERVE EXISTING HOUSING TO ENSURE THAT THEY REMAIN AFFORDABLE AND PEOPLE CAN STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK FOR AREAS THAT HAVE MORE HOMEOWNERSHIP IN THEM CURRENTLY.

WHEN WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD NEW, WE TYPICALLY ARE SEEING THOSE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THROUGH THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT RESOURCES WE HAVE.

SOMETIMES THAT'S AN ACQUISITION REHAB, SOMETIMES THAT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SO IT'S REALLY THAT THERE'S NOT ONE AREA TO SAY, THIS IS THE AREA THAT NEEDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN AN ASPECT, IT'S THE ENTIRE CITY.

BUT WE KNOW IN ORDER TO CONCENTRATE SOME OF OUR RESOURCES AND ALIGN WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS TO SEE MORE HOUSING ACTIVITY THAT WE CAN BE PROGRESSIVE ABOUT.

THAT'S WHERE, EXCUSE ME, THE STRATEGY OF IDENTIFYING THE TARGET AREAS TO DEPLOY WHAT WE HAVE AND TO COLLABORATE MORE WITH THE DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE THE BEST STRATEGY MOVING

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SO YOU MENTIONED PRESERVATION IS A GOAL OF OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITIES AND ALSO PRESERVING THE AFFORDABILITY THERE AND ALSO THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.

IT'S JUST A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING NEW HOUSING.

I MEAN I AGREE WITH ALL THOSE.

AND I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE WE'VE FOCUSED ON THAT IN THESE THREE TARGET AREAS.

BUT THE ONE THING I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE IS THERE WASN'T A SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NORTH THAT WAS SELECTED AS ONE OF THE THREE PRIORITY AREAS WHERE WE WE HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE NEED AFFORDABILITY.

SO WE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF OUR EGGS IN THE BASKET OF THE SOUTH, WHICH WE'VE SAID FOR YEARS.

WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.

BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

I AGREE WITH YOU AND THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE NORTH, WHAT THE WHAT THE DATA TELLS US IS THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THERE AS PART OF OUR CITYWIDE STRATEGY.

SO PART OF WHAT THE CONSULTANTS LOOKED AT WAS WHAT RESOURCES CAN WE BRING THERE AND WHAT DOES THAT THOSE AREAS LOOK LIKE.

AND WE FIND THEM TO BE MORE DENSE.

WE FIND THEM TO BE MORE APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

WE FIND THOSE APARTMENT BUILDINGS TO BE AGING, WE FIND RENTS TO BE GOING UP, AND WE FIND MAYBE SOME BUILDING CONDITIONS STARTING TO DECLINE.

AND SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS CONTINUE TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS THERE TO DEPLOY THE OTHER RESOURCES WE HAVE TO ENSURE LONGEVITY OF THOSE RENTAL UNITS.

WHEN IT COMES TO BRINGING IN AN OWNERSHIP MODEL INTO THOSE AREAS, IT BECOMES A LOT MORE CHALLENGING TO DO FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, WHICH WE'VE BRIEFED ON PREVIOUSLY.

THANK YOU. SLIDE 18, WE TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING TASK FORCE.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH THIS BRIEFING IS THAT THIS IS VERY VAGUE.

IT DOESN'T SEEM AND MAYBE THAT'S INTENTIONAL, MAYBE IT'S BEING WORKED ON, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO REFLECT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WHEN WE PASSED THIS IN THE APPENDIX C OF THE 2033 HOUSING POLICY, WHICH WAS QUITE DETAILED, LAID OUT A LOT OF FUNCTIONS.

AND WHAT I WANT TO AVOID IS FOR THIS TO BECOME ANOTHER SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE THE HOUSING POLICY TASK FORCE FROM THE OLD DAYS, WHICH WAS REALLY JUST A RUBBER STAMP GROUP. THIS AND THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED.

WE NEED INDUSTRY BUY IN, WE NEED NONPROFIT BUY IN, PHILANTHROPIC BUY IN.

HOW ARE WE BRINGING THEM TO THE TABLE? WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR BRINGING UP, YOU KNOW, THE MISSION, THE MEMBERSHIP, THE RESPONSIBILITIES, THE TERM LENGTH, THE MEETING STRUCTURE, ALL OF THAT.

THANK YOU. SO PART OF OUR OUR LAUNCH WILL BE A SERIES OF OF INVITE INVITATIONS TO THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND THE TASK FORCE OPPORTUNITY.

THE SAME WAY WE WORK WITH COMMS TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AROUND THE PILLARS.

WE'LL WORK WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT TO TO HOST THOSE AS WELL.

I ENVISION THAT TO BE A SERIES OF IN-PERSON AND ONLINE MEETINGS.

THAT APPLICATION GOING OUT TO JUST OUR LISTSERV WILL GO OUT TO OVER A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE FROM OUR BOTH OF OUR LISTS.

I WOULD FULLY EXPECT TO ENGAGE YOU ALL TO SEND IT OUT TO NETWORKS AND INDIVIDUALS YOU MIGHT THINK WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT FOLKS THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND SO WE WOULD DO THIS JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING ELSE TO LAUNCH AN APPLICATION PROCESS, MAKE SURE IT'S MULTIFACETED IN DIFFERENT WAYS TO ENGAGE, TO LEARN ABOUT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND TO APPLY.

OKAY. BEFORE I WOULD JUST ASK YOU AND THE CHAIR, BEFORE WE PUSH, START PUSHING THIS OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MISSION, THE STRUCTURE, HOW THEY REPORT TO US AND COUNCIL WE ANSWER THAT HERE? YES, SIR. BEFORE THEY BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET HIGH QUALITY PEOPLE AND AND AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IF THEY THINK IT'S A RUBBER STAMP KIND OF SITUATION, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DO IT OR I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK.

ON MY LAST COUPLE HERE.

YOU MENTIONED THE NEXT STEPS ON THE SMART GOALS.

I'M GLAD THAT YOU DID THAT.

THE PILLAR SEVEN'S EDUCATION.

YOU DID MENTION THAT THOR.

IS THAT GROUP GOING TO WORK ON A YIMBY POLICY? A YES, IN MY BACKYARD POLICY, ARE WE? WHO'S WORKING ON THAT IN THE CITY? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

FOR YOU ON THAT TODAY.

ON IF ANYONE IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON IT BUT I WILL.

I WILL CHECK WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND GET BACK TO YOU.

DO YOU ENVISION THE EDUCATION PIECE TO BE TO INCLUDE THAT A HOW TO ACCEPT THESE, THIS KIND OF HOUSING IN YOUR BACKYARD? I DO.

AS AS WE'VE BEEN, WE PUT TOGETHER A HOUSING 101 PRESENTATION THAT LAYS OUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO AND TRIES TO INCORPORATE SOME OTHER ASPECTS, EVERYTHING FROM EMERGENCY SHELTERS TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING TO MARKET RATE.

THAT'S A PRESENTATION THAT WE CAN GIVE TO COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE BEEN USING.

WE'VE USED TO TRAIN COUNCIL STAFF ON, TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE, THE ASPECTS OF WHAT WE WORK ON.

AND, AND PART OF THAT IS UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE FOR IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT BE FOR.

AND ALONG THAT SPECTRUM IS EDUCATION, AWARENESS, TOLERANCE, AND JUST CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS AND CIVIL DISCOURSE IN TERMS OF WHAT MAKE GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY. WHAT DO WE NEED TO HAVE TO BE INCLUSIVE AS A CITY? AND SO I DEFINITELY SEE OUR EDUCATIONAL WORK CONTINUING TO HAVE ALL OF THAT INCLUDED IN IT.

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YOU CAN JUST REPLY ON MEMO.

YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

AND SAID, OH, YEAH.

THANKS, CHAIR. GOOD.

COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.

AND I SHARE THE SENTIMENT THAT CHAIR WEST HAD ABOUT AN UPDATE.

EVEN IF THE FOCUS IS ON ONE PILLAR, I'D LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST A SLIDE WITH AN UPDATE ON THE OTHER SIX VERSUS A MEMO.

BECAUSE WHEN WE CONVENE, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS AROUND THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO IN-DEPTH OTHER TIMES OR WITH OTHER MEMOS.

BUT I THINK AN UPDATE ON THIS SHOULD ENCOMPASS MORE THAN JUST THE ONE.

I'LL INCLUDE IT. SO I'M.

I'M ALSO A FAN OF NOT NECESSARILY JUST HAVING.

HERE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE THREE TARGET AREAS.

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. I MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE FIVE OF THEM SO THAT WE SEE THE DEPTH OF THE DATA AND CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE ANOTHER GOOD POINT HAS BEEN RAISED AROUND THE THE GEOGRAPHY.

I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY GOALS IS VERY FOCUSED ON SOUTH AND SOUTHERN DALLAS.

AND SO THIS ANSWERS THAT CALL AND THAT'S GOOD.

I AM CONCERNED ON PAGE SEVEN WHERE WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE CATEGORIES THAT ARE GOING INTO ARRIVING AT THESE, AND IT SAYS CITY INVESTMENTS.

AND IT'S ALL VERY TANGIBLE THINGS.

IT'S WATER AND PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATION.

I'M THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY TOO, BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART AND I HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE STARTING TO SHOW UP THAT ARE VERY MUCH PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES AND WHERE SOME INVESTMENT OF THIS NATURE AND THIS IS SERIOUS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BONUS POINTS ON NOFA AND FOCUSED EFFORTS. I THINK WE CAN'T NOT LOOK AT THAT.

AND ALSO WHY STOP AT THE CITY? I MEAN, DISD HAS BUILT A $60 MILLION ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN VICKERY MEADOW, JILL STONE ELEMENTARY, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER AREAS OF TOWN IN THIS REGARD, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, AND ALSO DART.

I MEAN, I'VE GOT A HIGH POVERTY AREA THAT'S GOT SOME TWO ROCKING STATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM AN INFUSION OF PEOPLE TO MAKE THEM SAFER AND JUST GET RIDERSHIP UP AND GET I MEAN, IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR WORKFORCE.

SO CAN YOU TELL ME, DID ANY OF THAT FACTOR IN TO THIS? NOAH, I'D LIKE TO ASK NOAH WOODWARD, WHO'S ONLINE.

HE'S, THE TECHNICAL EXPERT ON THE DATA AND ALL THE DIFFERENT DATA SETS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE LOOKED AT.

NOAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND RESPONDING TO THAT QUESTION, SIR.

ABSOLUTELY. AND I HOPE EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME.

OKAY. COMING THROUGH.

WE CAN. GREAT.

THANK YOU. I'LL MENTION THAT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WHEN WE REALLY KICKED IT OFF, THE TDA TEAM FLEW OUT TO DALLAS TO MEET WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ENGAGE WITH THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN AN EFFORT TO QUANTIFY THE TYPES OF INVESTMENT, THAT COULD ALIGN WITH, WITH HOUSING RELATED INVESTMENT ACTIVITY. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON SCREEN ON SLIDE SEVEN INCLUDES SOME OF THE SORT OF, RESULTS OF THAT DISCUSSION.

TO THE COMMENT AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, PUBLIC WORKS ORIENTED AND SAFETY ORIENTED INVESTMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT DATA SET.

WE ALSO HAD MEETINGS AROUND SORT OF THE SORT OF ABILITY TO QUANTIFY TRANSPORTATION.

AND I THINK IT'S A NUANCED CONVERSATION, THAT, THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED IN.

AND I THINK THAT, WHAT WAS SHOWN HERE ON SCREEN AND IN OUR SORT OF FINAL LAYERING IN THIS DISCUSSION, SHOWS THOSE SORT OF, MOST TANGIBLE AND, AND, ALIGNABLE INVESTMENTS THAT THAT COULD, PROMOTE HOUSING RELATED ACTIVITIES.

SO THE UTILITY RELATED, AND THE PUBLIC WORKS ORIENTED INVESTMENTS THAT WILL BRING DIRECT ACCESS TO THE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT LAURA'S REFERENCED WITH REGARD TO PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE.

DID THIS CONSIDER CITY OWNED LAND, DISD OWNED LAND THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED? OR COULD BE REDEVELOPED.

SORRY. YES. OUR MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS INCLUDES BOTH BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL VACANT LAND AS A COMPONENT TO IT.

SO IF IT IS VACANT LAND, IF IT IS DEVELOPABLE.

IT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT DEBATE.

THAT DATA IS PROVIDED BY A THIRD PARTY MARKET PROVIDER.

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THANK YOU. SO I'M HAVING TROUBLE RECONCILING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS I'VE HEARD.

ONE IS AROUND, THIS IS THE EQUITY PILLAR.

NUMBER ONE IS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.

BUT THEN I HEARD, MR. ERICKSON, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THESE TARGET AREAS KIND OF SKEWING TO WHERE THERE GREATER OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET ME CLARIFY.

THE EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREAS ARE ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE HISTORICAL DISPARITIES IN THE CURRENT MARKET CONDITION.

AND SO THEY UTILIZE THE RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT TOOL THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY, TELLING US THE DISPARITIES ACROSS THE DIFFERENT INDICATORS THAT THAT TRACKS ON OUR CURRENT CONDITION.

IN THOSE AREAS, WE SEE THAT THE HOMEOWNERSHIP RATES ARE LESS THAN THE CITY AVERAGE.

MEDIAN HOME SALES PRICES ARE LOWER.

SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW HOMEOWNERSHIP THERE.

THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFFORDABLE RENTS AND MARKET RATE RENTS IN THOSE AREAS.

THE AREAS IN THE NORTHERN SECTOR WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE EQUITY OR ON THE HOUSING EQUITY INDEX, WHERE THEY'RE IN THAT DARK BROWN COLOR.

WHEN WE TOOK A CLOSER LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENTS THERE, WE FIND THAT THEY'RE PRIMARILY RENTER SITUATIONS.

SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OWNERSHIP THERE, WHICH SAYS ONE, WE NEED OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

BUT WE KNOW THAT'S EXTREMELY CHALLENGING WHEN THE AREA IS PRETTY DENSE AND BUILT OUT.

TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE WILL HAVE AN OWNERSHIP MODEL THAT'S IN A MORE DENSE BUILDING IS A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO GET FINANCING ON AND DEVELOP.

WHEREAS WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES OF VACANT LAND IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, WE KNOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING A HOME OWNERSHIP MODEL THERE A LITTLE BIT EASIER BECAUSE IT'S IT'S NEEDED AND WE HAVE LAND FROM A NEW DEVELOPMENT UP.

SO THIS IS REALLY MORE ABOUT OWNERSHIP.

WELL, WE'VE HEARD FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO SEE MORE HOME OWNERSHIP OPTIONS.

WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WANT TO SEE MORE OWNERSHIP OPTIONS.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT PEOPLE NEED AFFORDABLE RENTS AND NOT EVERYBODY IS READY TO BE A HOMEOWNER.

WE HAVE A BRIEFING PLAN TO YOU ALL IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AROUND OUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND HOMEOWNERSHIP IN GENERAL, OR WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME MORE OF THOSE CHALLENGES TO HOMEOWNERSHIP IN THE CITY AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO BRING THAT FORWARD AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THIS.

YEAH, I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT TARGET AREA THREE, I MEAN, I'VE GOT VICKERY MEADOW HAS A SOLID $10,000 LESS IN MEDIAN INCOME.

AND I LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I MEAN, WE STILL MAY NET OUT THAT THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED ARE ABSOLUTELY WHERE A FOCUS SHOULD BE.

HOWEVER, WITHOUT HAVING OPTIONS FOUR AND FIVE TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALL WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THIS.

AND THEN I HAD ASKED FOR SOME DEPTH AROUND THE SLIDE NINE, THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, I'VE GOT SOME FOLKS WHO THE TRADITIONAL FORMS OF OUTREACH JUST DON'T WORK WITH, AND SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WASN'T, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.

WELL THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES.

I THINK YOU'VE ASKED SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS TODAY.

I'M JUST GOING TO START WITH PAGE SEVEN.

IF WE CAN PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN.

AND I NOTICE WE HAVE TWO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS IN THE ROOM.

COUPLE DIRECTORS.

THIS IS A SLIDE THAT MAKES MY HEAD EXPLODE.

COULD YOU PULL THAT ONE UP? WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE MAPS HERE THAT ARE COLOR CODED AND THERE'S NO LEGEND.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC COULD POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW.

WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE MAPS A COUPLE TIMES.

BUT I'LL TELL YOU, EVEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE GREEN AND THE BLUE OR THE ORANGE AND THE YELLOW.

SO PLEASE DON'T SHOW US MAPS WITHOUT A LEGEND.

THIS IS JUST NOT OKAY.

SO I WANT TO GO TO PAGE TEN NOW.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK YOU'VE HAD REALLY GOOD RESPONSES.

I MEAN, THIS I THINK THIS IS A A PRETTY ROBUST NUMBER.

I KNOW I SENT OUT THIS SURVEY A COUPLE TIMES IN MY E-NEWS.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT RESPONSES FROM ALL THE DISTRICTS? DO YOU FEEL LIKE, THIS IS STATISTICALLY VALID? NOAH, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE REACH OF ALL DISTRICTS AND IF IT'S STATISTICALLY VALID.

YEAH, TO THE EXTENT I THINK THAT THAT CAN BE QUANTIFIED, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE, PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION, LIKE ZIP CODE AND LOCATION, WAS

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SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT PRIVACY IS RESPECTED THERE, WE DID SEE A RANGE OF ZIP CODES, RESPONDED TO ACROSS THE CITY.

AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT INFORMATION IF IT'S, OF INTEREST.

DID YOU HAVE AT LEAST 30 RESPONDENTS FROM EVERY ZIP CODE? I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY. YEAH.

SO THE OTHER THING I REALLY WANT TO COMMEND THE CONSULTANTS FOR SHOWING THE ACTUAL DATA AND SORT OF HIGHLIGHTING SOME KEY FINDINGS. SO WHEN I SEE THIS AND I SEE THAT CONSTRUCTION OF NEW AFFORDABLE FOR SALE HOUSING IS VERY PROMINENTLY, THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE AND MODIFYING EXISTING HOUSING FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

I THINK THAT IS RESPONSIVE OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S WHAT I HEAR NOT JUST FROM MY DISTRICT, BUT PEOPLE WHO COME DOWN HERE, PEOPLE WHO EMAIL US.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

AND WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS WHERE I DON'T ALWAYS FEEL LIKE STAFF OR CONSULTANTS ARE REFLECTING WHAT WE HEAR.

AND I DO FEEL LIKE THIS DOES.

AND SO THAT GIVES ME GREATER CONFIDENCE IN THE SURVEY RESULTS, WHICH I HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY IS STATISTICALLY VALID.

WITH THAT? YOU'VE PICKED THREE AREAS.

TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A VERY LARGE CONNECTION WITH POVERTY, WHICH MAKES SENSE.

AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT REALLY CATCHES ME, WHICH IS THE CITYWIDE MONEY VERSUS THESE TARGET AREAS.

IF WE'VE DONE ALL THIS WORK TO IDENTIFY TARGET AREAS AND YOU CAN STATISTICALLY SAY, LOOK, WE'VE GOT THIS ISSUE BECAUSE OF POVERTY, WE'VE GOT THIS ISSUE BASED ON HOME OWNERSHIP, WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE THINGS, AND THESE ARE THE AREAS.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO DEBATE IF THEY ARE OR THEY'RE NOT.

THEY YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT OUR CITY, THESE LOOK LIKE APPROPRIATE PLACES.

WHY WOULD WE NOT POUR THE RESOURCES INTO IT? AND LOOK, NONE OF THEM ARE MY AREA.

BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS WANTING THE BEST FOR OUR WHOLE CITY.

AND I LOOK AT THIS AND I'M LIKE, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD COMMIT.

OKAY, 50%, 60%, 70%.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS SHOULD BE, BUT WHY WOULDN'T WE SAY? WE'VE PASSED THIS WHOLE POLICY.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS THING FOR YEARS.

YOU'VE DONE THE WORK TO IDENTIFY IT.

WHY WOULDN'T WE COMMIT TO ACTUALLY TRANSFORM IT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN.

I'M CYNTHIA ELLICKSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.

WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE MOVING.

WE HAVE PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS AND ASSIST WITH.

WE ALSO HAVE HOME REPAIRS THAT ARE UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW THAT WE NEED TO COMPLETE.

WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO OPEN THIS OPPORTUNITY UP FOR ALL AREAS OF THE CITY.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN TODAY THAT WE NEED TO TARGET.

AND WE WE WOULD LIKE YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHETHER OR NOT WE JUST NEED TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER THINGS AND JUST COMPLETELY FOCUS IN THESE AREAS.

BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT WITHOUT CONVERSATION WITH YOU, BECAUSE THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR ALL THE OTHER COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT WILL NOT RECEIVE, OUR FUNDING SOURCES.

WELL, SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU MY FEEDBACK IS I DON'T THINK 100% SHOULD GO INTO THREE TARGET AREAS, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK IT SHOULDN'T BE DESIGNATED WITH AT LEAST SOME LARGE PERCENTAGE, WHETHER AGAIN, THAT'S 50, 60, 70 I DON'T KNOW.

AND PERHAPS YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT.

THERE'S NO PART OF ANY, THERE'S NO COUNCIL DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT POVERTY THAT NEED HELP. SO TO DO 100% THE TARGET AREAS WOULD BE OBJECTIONABLE, PROBABLY TO EVERYBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A TARGET AREA.

RIGHT. AND EVEN WITHIN A COUNCIL DISTRICT IT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE THE TARGET AREA.

YES. SO I THINK 100% IS NOT POSSIBLE.

BUT WHY WOULD WE DO ALL THIS WORK AND NOT MAKE SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT? AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE A LARGE NUMBER AND TO SEE TRANSFORMATION.

AND TO THAT POINT WE ALSO NEED GOALS LIKE IF THIS IS YOUR STARTING POINT ON DATA, WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING TO END UP IF WE MAKE THIS INVESTMENT? DON'T JUST TELL US THE ACTIVITY YOU'VE DONE.

TELL US WHERE YOU'RE HEADED AND WHAT YOU EXPECT TO SEE CHANGED.

SO THEN MY LAST AREA OF QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IS ABOUT THE HOUSING POLICY TASK FORCE.

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THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT PEOPLE WILL BE SELECTED THAT ARE GOING TO BE AN ECHO CHAMBER FOR YOU.

AND WHILE WE TALK ABOUT DIVERSITY A LOT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT.

AND PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO CHALLENGE YOU TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND MORE EFFICIENTLY.

MY OTHER CONCERN, HAVING SERVED ON THE HOUSING POLICY TASK FORCE BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, IS THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE HELPING FRAME POLICY, THAT ARE NOT APPLYING FOR THE PROJECTS.

AND THAT'S ESSENTIAL.

AND THEN I'LL JUST GO BACK TO THE COMMENT I WAS MAKING ABOUT THE TARGET AREAS NEEDING SPECIFIC GOALS AND MEASUREMENTS.

I WOULD SAY OVERALL, THIS PILLAR NEEDS VERY SPECIFIC MEASUREMENTS, NOT JUST THE DASHBOARD DASHBOARDS MEASURING ACTIVITY. TELL US WHAT THE GOAL IS.

LET US AGREE ON THE GOAL AND THEN SHOW US HOW YOU'VE TRANSFORMED WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN GRACEY.

THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

WHILE I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUE'S, COMMENTS IN TERMS OF THE NORTH, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM, TRULY, BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY THIS REPRESENTING SOUTHERN DALLAS, THAT IF YOU IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY WHAT NEGLECT FEELS LIKE IF YOU AIN'T EVER LIVED IN IT.

SO I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT WHILE THAT IS A VERY TRUE STATEMENT, SOUTHERN DALLAS HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR YEARS, AND IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY IF YOU HAVEN'T LIVED THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO LET ME JUST GO INTO SOME OF MY QUESTIONS HERE.

THE FIRST ONE I'M GOING TO START WITH THE I THINK IT WAS PILLAR SEVEN.

I MEAN PILLAR ONE, THE EQUITY ONE, LET'S SEE.

AND IT'S A VERY YEAH THE EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET.

SO THE QUESTION THERE IS, WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL OF THE, SOME OF THE IDEAS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM, FROM OUR COLLEAGUES HERE, WHICH AREN'T BAD IDEAS, HOW DO YOU FACTOR IN THIS EQUITY STRATEGY, TARGET WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF, MULTIPLE HOMES ON THE LOTS AND ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS, HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THIS? BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND IS THE SCIENCE AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS DECISION MATRIX OF EACH ONE OF THESE.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH.

THANK YOU. THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO OUR PILLAR AROUND COLLABORATION, AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS LEADING CONVERSATIONS AROUND FORWARD DALLAS AND THEN TANGENTIALLY RELATED DENSITY AND ZONING CHANGES.

WE SEE THESE THINGS ALIGNING.

SO IN THE AREAS WHERE WE IDENTIFY OUR TARGET AREAS, WE CAN LOOK AT WHERE THEY'VE IDENTIFIED AND FORWARD DALLAS AREAS TO FURTHER PLAN AND LOOK AT AND HAVE COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS US MOVING FORWARD HAVING JUST A HOUSING CONVERSATION.

AND THEN TWO NIGHTS LATER, PLANNING IS HAVING A CONVERSATION, AND THEN THE NEXT WEEK SOMEONE ELSE IS DOING IT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CONVENING FOLKS WITHIN A SIMILAR AREA, WE NEED TO BE MAKING SURE WE DO THAT AT ONE TIME.

SIMPLIFY THOSE QUESTIONS.

COLLABORATE ON THAT PROCESS AND REALLY RESPECT PEOPLE'S TIME THAT THEY'RE GIVING TO GIVE US THAT INFORMATION.

SO AS ALL OF THAT IS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER AND HAVE THAT FORMAL OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, SPEAKING AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF.

OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

ON PILLAR FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS JUST A VERY JUST GENERIC QUESTION, I GUESS.

BUT GENERAL QUESTION, WHAT'S THE MOST COMMON WAY INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING IS, IS ESTABLISHED, FOR PROJECTS LIKE THESE OR JUST HOUSING PROJECTS IN GENERAL? SO, OUR FEDERAL FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHEN IT TURNS INTO A HOUSING UNIT, AND SO COULD OUR BOND FUNDS.

SO A LOT OF OUR BOND MONEY GOES INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE ASPECTS OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS, TO HELP PROVIDE THAT GAP THAT'S NEEDED ON THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

OKAY. AND THEN ON TARGET AREA THREE, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THE WHOLE DISTRICT THING, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THAT AREA JUST NORTH OF THE CREEK WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.

AND IT'S A IT'S LIKE IT'S ALMOST A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO KIND OF CLOSE THAT AREA OFF.

I'LL TURN THAT ONE OVER TO NOAH.

NOAH DID SOME ANALYSIS OF THE DIFFERENT CENSUS BLOCK GROUPS THAT WERE RELATED IN THERE AND DID SOME OF THAT COMPILATION.

SO, ONE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL HAVE NOAH SPEAK MORE DIRECTLY TO THAT PROCESS AND WHAT THAT MIGHT HAVE GRABBED.

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SO OFTEN NATURAL FEATURES, DO DEFINE THOSE AREAS TO CREATE SIMILAR, POPULATION SIZES IN EACH AREA.

AND COUNCILMAN, IF WE CUT A NEIGHBORHOOD IN HALF, PLEASE, PLEASE HIGHLIGHT THAT TO ME SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE DONE.

WE WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE BLOCK GROUP BOUNDARIES AS THEY FALL ALONG STRAIGHT LINES AND NATURAL FEATURES WERE CONSISTENT WITHIN THAT.

BUT IF WE MISSED SOMETHING, LET ME KNOW.

YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST A FEW MORE FROM THERE.

AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUES IN TERMS OF THE SURVEY SURVEY BREAKDOWN BY DISTRICT, FOR THEIR LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE CITYWIDE FUNDS VERSUS THE TARGET AREAS.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT TO BRING UP.

AND THEN JUST THE LAST COMMENT HERE IS AROUND THE TASK FORCE SELECTION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS PROPERLY, AND AS A POLITICIAN, I'LL GET POLISHED SOONER OR LATER.

SO DEVELOPERS, BANKERS AND ALL OF THOSE POTENTIAL TASK FORCE FOLKS, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY.

HOWEVER AS WE THINK ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE BEING ADDED TO THIS TASK FORCE, I REALLY WANT US TO CONSIDER THOSE THAT ARE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THE WORK, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF THE BANKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I WANT US TO REALLY BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T WANT BANKS THAT ARE COMING, TRYING TO FIX THEIR REPUTATION BY PARTICIPATING IN THESE KIND OF THINGS.

I DON'T WANT DEVELOPERS THAT ARE TRYING TO FIX IT IF THEY ARE HAVE ANY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS PUBLICLY, BUT IF THEY HAVE ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, ANY BAD NEIGHBORS, BAD BUSINESSES, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, I REALLY WANT US TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THOSE KIND OF THINGS SO THAT WE CAN HOLD MORE OF THESE BUSINESSES ACCOUNTABLE AS THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS, PARTICULARLY IN SOUTHERN DALLAS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I JUST WANT TO GO OVER MY PRIORITY.

AND THAT'S KEEPING PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES, PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN OUR MEANS TO, KEEPING INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR HOMES.

I'M GOING TO START ON PAGE SEVEN AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WE MEAN BY CITY INVESTMENTS.

WHEN IT COMES TO DWU OR PUBLIC WORKS, WHAT EXACTLY DOES CITY INVESTMENTS MEAN? THANK YOU. WHAT WE ASKED THE THE DEPARTMENTS WERE WHAT ARE YOUR KNOWN PROJECTS AND WORKS RIGHT NOW? NOT LIKE WHAT'S ON, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO DO IN THE FUTURE, BUT WHAT'S ON, WHAT'S UNDERWAY.

SO ONE OF THEM I CAN HIGHLIGHT WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES IS THEIR UNSERVED AREAS PROGRAM THAT WE'RE DIRECTLY WORKING ON DISCONNECTING SEPTIC TANKS AND CONNECTING TO WATER WASTEWATER. SO WE LOOKED AT TANGIBLE THINGS THAT WERE CURRENTLY FUNDED, AND ALL OF THESE ASPECTS IN PLANNING.

WE LOOKED AT WHERE THE AREA PLANS WERE GOING ON AND PARKS AND REC, WE LOOKED AT PARKS THAT WERE POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE FUNDED OR ARE BEING WORKED ON.

SO THAT LEVEL OF KNOWN PROJECT AND ACTIVITY IS WHAT WE LOOKED AT.

OKAY. HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW WE PRIORITIZE OR HOW WE PUT A FOCUS IN IN AREAS THAT DO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT MIGHT BE UNDERSIZED OR IT MIGHT BE, DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT'S NEEDED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND NEW PROJECTS, NEW HOUSING PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN, ESPECIALLY IN, HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS WHERE WE ARE SEEING AFFORDABILITY AND RENTS AT 60, 70%.

AMI HOW ARE WE ALSO ADDRESSING THOSE SIMULTANEOUSLY? THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR OTHER SERVICES COME IN, OR OUR CORPORATIONS AND OTHER ASPECTS OF WHAT WE FUND THROUGH OUR NOTICE OF FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN AND ASKING FOR SPECIFIC FINANCING SUPPORT TO ADDRESS INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THOSE UNITS SO AS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, AS THOSE DEVELOPMENTS ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FINANCING.

IT'S ONE WAY WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO HELP WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE DEVELOPER RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE LINEAR LINES GOING UP TO IT.

BUT THOSE MAIN LINES THAT SOMETIMES PROJECTS ARE APPROVED AND PROJECTS, WE DO HAVE THAT GAP FUNDING, BUT THEN WE FIND OUT THAT THOSE MAIN LINES JUST DON'T WORK, AND IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT FROM EITHER THE CITY OR POTENTIALLY THE DEVELOPER.

AND THEN THOSE PROJECTS NO LONGER ARE ABLE TO TO PENCIL OUT.

YEAH. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHERE MORE WORK AND COLLABORATION COMES WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATION.

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WE'RE ABLE TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT IS NEEDED, HERE'S WHAT'S WANTED, HERE'S WHAT CAN BE SUPPORTIVE, BUT HERE'S SOME CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO GET THERE.

AND SO IF WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE TO THE GOALS, AS COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN WAS SAYING, WE CAN BETTER ADVOCATE WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ABOUT WHAT'S NEEDED TO SUPPORT THAT, BECAUSE HOUSING CAN'T FUND EVERYTHING.

AND IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT US, BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO FILL THOSE NEEDS AS WELL.

ON PAGE NINE ON THE SURVEY, DO WE HAVE A, NOT ONLY A BREAKDOWN BY DISTRICT, BUT BY DEMOGRAPHIC? I CAN JUMP IN THERE.

SO THE AGAIN THE SURVEY RESPONSES ARE PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION AS OPTIONAL.

SO RESPONSE RATES AROUND DEMOGRAPHIC RELATED INFORMATION IS IS LESS AVAILABLE THAN IT IS FOR FOR ALL REQUIRED RESPONSES AROUND THAT SURVEY.

BUT WE CAN PROVIDE WHAT'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

WELL, I, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE THE INVESTMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN OUR SOUTHERN SECTOR.

I ALSO SEE A LACK OF REPRESENTATION IN THE NORTHERN SECTOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LATINO COMMUNITIES, WHETHER IT BE LOVE FIELD OR MOUNT AUBURN.

AND ELM THICKET BEING A TRADITIONALLY AFRICAN AMERICAN FREEDMEN'S TOWN AS WELL.

IT'S NOT.

ON THESE LISTS, WHEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROXIMITY TO TO THESE TARGET AREAS JUST NORTH OF I-30 ON SAMUEL BOULEVARD IS AN AREA THAT I KNOW THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, THAT WE I FEEL, MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WHAT ARE THESE TOOLS GOING TO ALLOW US TO LOOK AT THESE AREAS THAT ARE, ON THE ON THE BUFFER OF THESE AREAS TO POTENTIALLY GET MORE POINTS WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FOR INVESTMENT? THANK YOU. WITH ANYTHING TARGET AREA, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO SAY YOU WOULD PRIORITIZE WHAT'S INSIDE A BOUNDARY.

HOWEVER, THE AREAS ONE, TWO AND THREE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE DIFFERING LEVELS OF THE OF THE HOUSING INDEX, THEY RANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, VERY WEAK CONDITION TO HIGH HISTORICAL DISPARITIES TO THAT MID.

BUT THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY THE REST OF THOSE FACTORS.

SO WE KNOW ANYTIME YOU INVEST IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE'S EDGE EFFECTS.

OR WHEN YOU INVEST IN AROUND A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT PUTS PRESSURE ON.

WE KNOW THESE AREAS THROUGH THE MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS, HAVE CHANGED PRETTY QUICKLY IN THE AVERAGE HOME SALES PRICE AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

SO ANYTIME THERE'S NEW DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S YOU KNOW, REPURPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT MARKET PRESSURE THAT STARTS TO FILTER OUT.

AND SO PART OF THIS IS THAT ANTI-DISPLACEMENT WORK AS WELL, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO STAY IN THESE AREAS, BUT KNOW THAT THE MARKET TENDS TO RESPOND WHEN THERE'S INVESTMENT THAT'S PRIORITIZED IN AN AREA.

AND THAT'S WHAT STARTS TO WORK ON THOSE.

WHAT I WOULD SAY, THOSE EDGE COMMUNITIES JUST RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE AREAS WHERE YOU'RE PRIORITIZING, IT LEADS TO GENTRIFICATION, IT LEADS TO REINVESTMENT.

IT LEADS TO WHATEVER WORD WE'RE USING OF THE TIME, WHICH MEANS THE MARKET IS RESPONDING WITH SOME UNITS AND WE'RE RESPONDING WITH ANOTHER.

AND WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE HAVE PLACES WHEREVER WE CAN INVEST IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT BRINGS THAT MARKET RATE MIX WITH US.

SO WE HAVE THOSE TRULY MIXED INCOME, MIXED USE COMMUNITIES.

YEAH. AND THAT'S REALLY KEY FOR ME IS MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT DISPLACEMENT IN DEVELOPING MORE ON PARCELS OF LAND THAT THAT DON'T HAVE HOUSING. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THAT CORRIDOR OF SAMUEL IS HUGE.

THERE'S ALSO A NEARLY A 50 ACRE SITE WITHIN THIS TARGET AREA, ZONE ONE THAT IS NOT DEVELOPED, THAT IS INDUSTRIAL, THAT HAS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN MIXED INCOME HOUSING.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

BEFORE I GO TO ROUND TWO, I'M GOING TO CALL ON COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY, WHO'S ON VIRTUALLY.

MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MORE CITYWIDE PERSPECTIVE TO THIS PRESENTATION AND PUSH BACK ON THIS NOTION OF TARGET AREAS.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS APPROACH IGNORES TWO THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, IT IGNORES HOUSING MOBILITY.

IT SEEMS TO ASSUME THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE LIVE IN THESE TARGET AREAS NOW, THAT THEY SHOULD ALWAYS LIVE IN THOSE TARGET AREAS AND DOESN'T CONSIDER THEIR POSSIBILITY OF MOVING TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THESE TARGET AREAS, SEEKING HIGH

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SECONDLY, IT IGNORES THE IMPERATIVE TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TRACE BACK TO THE HUD CONSENT DECREE THAT REQUIRED US TO LOCATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT JUST IN HIGH POVERTY AREAS, BUT IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS.

AND SO WHILE I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE NEED INCREASED INVESTMENT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS REPORT IGNORES THE NEED FOR, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS.

IT DOESN'T ANALYZE HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS WHERE THERE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO DEVELOP OR PRESERVE.

AND MY QUESTION AT THIS POINT IS SIMPLY, WHY DOES THIS REPORT NOT CONSIDER THAT CITYWIDE HOUSING MARKET AND THE IMPORTANCE OF LOCATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS CLOSE TO JOBS, SCHOOLS.

TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, SHOPPING, GROCERY STORES.

WHY ISN'T THAT PART OF THIS ANALYSIS? THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. AND THAT'S A IT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION.

THE ANALYSIS DOES TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THAT.

AND IN FACT, I MEAN, IT'S EMBEDDED IN THE MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS.

IT'S EMBEDDED IN THE RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ANALYSIS.

BUT WHAT THE IDENTIFICATION OF THESE TARGET AREAS DOES IS IT TELLS US TO LOOK AT WHERE THOSE CONDITIONS AS THEY COME TOGETHER, ARE AT THEIR WORST OR MOST EXTREME IN OUR CITY. AND WE SEE THAT IN THOSE AREAS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

IT DOES NOT EXCLUDE OUR ABILITY TO WORK IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR PROJECTS THERE AND WORK WITH DEVELOPERS WHO ARE ABLE TO FINANCE A PROJECT THERE.

IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO WORK WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER AGENCIES TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUPPORT IN THESE SOUTHERN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THAT MARKET RATE.

DIFFERENT JOB CENTERS, TARGET AREA THREE AND WORKING WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, AS THEY BUILD OUT THEIR THEIR CAMPUS MASTER PLAN AND TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR SOUTHERN SECTOR, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EMBED AFFORDABLE HOUSING EARLY IN THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT INITIATIVE. OTHERWISE WE MISS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE AS WELL.

AND SO WE HAVE TO HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE THE CHANGING ASPECTS OF OUR CITY OR THE OPPORTUNITIES TO CHANGE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES EVERYWHERE.

AND WHAT WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING FOR IS ONLY HERE, OR IT'S ONLY THAT THERE REALLY IS THAT CITYWIDE STRATEGY AND THE TARGETED AREA APPROACH AS THE HOUSING POLICY CALLS FOR. WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THIS REPORT.

JUST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT WE'RE NOT JUST FOCUSED ON 10% OF THE CITY'S LAND AREA IN THESE THREE TARGET AREAS, BUT WE HAVE.

HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES THAT ADDRESS THE ENTIRE CITY.

PARTICULARLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR, IS THAT WE, DOCUMENT THAT INTENT IN THIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.

WE'LL GO TO AROUND TWO.

NO ONE ON MY RIGHT.

AND I HAVE, VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.

THANK YOU. THIS IS MAYBE NOT AS MUCH ABOUT THE PRESENTATION, BUT IT IS ABOUT A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.

AND, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU WOULD BE PROMOTING YIMBY POLICY, AND I WOULD SAY THIS HAS NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT FULL COUNCIL.

THAT YIMBY POLICY, FAR EXCEEDS THE SCOPE OF THIS PRESENTATION OR POSSIBLY CITY POLICY AT THIS POINT.

AND, FRANKLY, CAN THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT YIMBY POLICY IS EXTREMELY PATRONIZING AND DEMEANING.

PEOPLE CAN HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT IDEA ABOUT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR HOUSING AND NOT BE CALLED NAMES AND NOT NEED TO BE EDUCATED.

THEY MAY ALREADY BE EDUCATED AND JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.

SO, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT AS A MANDATE THAT SOMEHOW THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WHEN THIS HAS NOT EVEN BEEN DISCUSSED.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM D, PLEASE.

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COULD YOU MOVE THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER? THANK YOU. BETTER? YES. MY CO-PRESENTER SARAH KHAN, THE INTERIM CEO OF HOUSING FORWARD, IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.

SHE IS RECOVERING FROM THE FLU AND VERY KINDLY DID NOT WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH ANY OF US.

SO I WILL BE GOING AHEAD AND PRESENTING AND ANY QUESTIONS I'M NOT ABLE TO ANSWER.

WE CAN. WE'RE STILL HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME HEARING YOU.

IS THAT BETTER? OKAY.

JUST LIKE THAT ICE CREAM CONE THING WHEN THEY TEACH YOU TO USE A MIC.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO AS I SAID, MY CO-PRESENTER IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.

SHE IS ILL AND DID NOT WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH US, FOR WHICH I'M GRATEFUL.

SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT TODAY.

AND IF THERE ARE ANY ITEMS THAT I CANNOT ANSWER, WE WILL, OF COURSE TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS AND GET THEM BACK TO YOU VIA EMAIL.

SO THIS IS AN OVERALL PRESENTATION ON SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR INITIAL APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD AND ADVERTISE BECAUSE IT'S AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS ON DECEMBER 13TH.

SO NOW WE'RE COMING BACK FOR, JUST TO TOUCH BASE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS COMING FORWARD, THIS COMING WEDNESDAY AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, WHICH WILL THEN BE EXTENDED TO FEBRUARY 28TH, WHEN THE ACTION IS, WHEN THE ITEM IS ACTUALLY ACTED UPON BY COUNCIL.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HAS BEEN LEFT OVER FROM THE ORIGINAL DALLAS HOUSING DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH THAT, WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE DONE WITH THAT FUNDING.

SO IF WE GO TO OKAY, PRESENTATION OVERVIEW, AS I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS REQUEST, DO A LITTLE BIT OF FRAMING, GOING BACK TO THE EARLY DAYS OF THE DRTRR.

WHO CONTRIBUTED WHAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE CONTRACT STRUCTURE.

THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE CITY OF DALLAS CONTRACTS AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE, THE REAL TIME REHOUSING IMPACT, DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY RAPID REHOUSING EXPENSES AND NEXT STEPS. SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO AS I SAID, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS IS SEEKING A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY'S CONTRACT.

THIS IS ONE OF THEIR TWO, THREE CONTRACTS, TO PROVIDE RENTAL ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS ON WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO SHIFT THAT OVER.

BUT THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT IS THAT, WE BUDGETED EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVELY AND SO ENDED UP NOT NEEDING ALL OF THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE IN THAT SMALL PART OF THE CONTRACT. AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UTILIZING THE REAL TIME REHOUSING MONEY, WHICH IS MAINLY FROM HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, NO LONGER CITY FUNDING, WE HAVE THIS BIT LEFT OVER IN THE CITY CONTRACT THAT CAN BE MOVED OVER TO SUPPORTIVE SERVICES IN ORDER TO KEEP PACE WITH THE RENTAL CONTRACTS THAT EXIST IN DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.

SO THIS ALLOWS US TO SERVE AN ADDITIONAL 265 TO 300 PEOPLE WITHIN THAT LARGER 6000, WITH JUST THIS LEFT OVER FUNDING BECAUSE OF THAT CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING.

AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS.

SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY CAME FORWARD AND WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE INITIAL ADVERTISEMENT ON DECEMBER 13TH, IT WAS FOR 5 MILLION, UP TO 5 MILLION. WE'VE SINCE, TAKEN THE TIME TO DO MORE IN TERMS OF STUDYING THE DATA.

HOUSING FOR DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY AND OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS HAVE REALLY LOOKED AT THE ACCELERATED RAPID REHOUSING PLACEMENTS AND THE AVERAGE RENTAL COST OF THE UNIT, WHICH HAS INCREASED BY MORE THAN 20% IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND SO, WITH THAT, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, OKAY, WELL, INSTEAD OF 5 MILLION, WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS 2.5 MILLION.

AND TO LEAVE THE REST WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.

ANOTHER REASON THAT WE'RE PUSHING THIS TO, FEBRUARY 28TH IS JUST GIVE TIME FOR THE, APARTMENT COST DATA FOR JANUARY TO FULLY SETTLE IN SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, WHAT THE SPECIFIC NUMBER IS WITHIN THAT 2.5 MILLION.

OKAY. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO I'LL BE VERY QUICK ON THESE.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE. SO WE WANTED TO, COME BACK TO THESE SLIDES WHICH WERE PRESENTED OCTOBER 20TH, IN OCTOBER OF 2021.

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25 MILLION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, 25 MILLION FROM DALLAS COUNTY, ROUGHLY AN $8 MILLION VALUE IN DALLAS, HOUSING AUTHORITY VOUCHERS, PLUS A COUPLE MORE THAT, EQUATED TO ABOUT 12 MILLION.

AND THEN PRIVATE DOLLARS RAISED PHILANTHROPICALLY WAS 10 MILLION.

WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO HOUSE OVER 2700 INDIVIDUALS BY DECEMBER OF 2023.

WE HOUSED THOSE BY OCTOBER OF 2023, WE'RE NOW AT ROUGHLY 29,000 INDIVIDUALS, WITH 758 VOUCHERS THROUGH THE SYSTEM, ALL OF WHICH HAVE BEEN UTILIZED, AND 2004 INDIVIDUALS FOR RAPID REHOUSING, 12 MONTHS, 24 IF NEEDED.

THAT HAS BEEN DONE AS WELL.

SO IF WE GO TO SLIDE FIVE, THIS ONE IS REALLY MORE IMPORTANT FOR TODAY AS WE TALK ABOUT THE MONEY BEING MOVED FROM ONE CONTRACT TO THE OTHER.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT BECAUSE IT'S AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT MONEY, WE HAVE TO COME AND ADVERTISE PUBLICLY, FOR ANYTHING OVER ABOUT $500,000.

SO 2.5 MILLION TO 5 MILLION.

AND AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2.5 MILLION.

WE DO HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADVERTISE PUBLICLY.

AND IF FOR SOME REASON, ADDITIONAL AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT NEEDED TO BE MOVED LATER ON, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THE SAME PROCESS.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE CONTRACTS ARE SPLIT INTO HOUSING FORWARD HOLDING CONTRACTS FOR SERVICE PROVISION AND DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY HOLDING CONTRACTS FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

AND BOTH OF THOSE CAME FROM OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS, CITY OF DALLAS, WHO WAS THE SOURCE FOR OUR 25 MILLION AND ALSO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THE 25 MILLION COMING FROM DALLAS COUNTY.

OKAY. AND OF COURSE, THOSE CONTRACTS AND THE CONTRACTS YOU SEE NOW ONLY RELATE TO THE RAPID REHOUSING PATHWAY FOR WHICH DHA IS THE CENTRALIZED RENTAL ADMINISTRATOR.

EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS, WHICH DE ALSO IS THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR, COME THROUGH FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THAT IS NOT REFLECTED HERE.

SO THE CITY OF DALLAS CONTRACTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM CITY COUNCIL AND FROM THIS COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE, EXCUSE ME, IS JUST AN ASK TO SEE MORE GRANULAR FACTS IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACTS, THE COST OF HOMELESSNESS, WHAT IS THE COST PER CAPITA, PER PERSON OF THIS PROJECT? AND SO WE BROUGHT THOSE BACK ACROSS THE THREE NEXT SLIDES TO REALLY SHOW FOUR NEXT SLIDES TO REALLY SHOW THE CONTRACTS, WHAT WAS ALLOTTED HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST OF THE FUNDING WENT TO THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR RENTAL CONTRACTS.

AGAIN, THIS IS RAPID REHOUSING CONTRACT.

EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS CAME THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT REFLECTED IN THE FINANCE THAT WE HAD HOUSING FORWARD CONTRACTS.

THIS WAS FOR THIS WAS FOR CASE MANAGEMENT, HOUSING, NAVIGATION, NOT STREET OUTREACH.

OKAY. AND IF WE GO TO SLIDE SEVEN YOU CAN SEE HERE.

AND I'LL GET INTO THIS IN JUST A MINUTE.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

PUBLIC COST OF HOMELESSNESS IS ABOUT 10,000 MORE THAN THE COST OF REHOUSING.

THIS THESE NUMBERS WERE ACTUALLY PULLED FROM A 2015 STUDY OF 22 MODELS OF COST STUDIES, PLUS AVERAGE COST OF CRISIS SERVICES.

SO THAT IS NOW WE ESTIMATE MUCH HIGHER AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

PUBLIC COST OF REHOUSING BASED ON THE DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE IS AGAIN ABOUT 10,000 LOWER THAN THAT NUMBER.

SO IF WE GO TO SLIDE EIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT BREAK WHAT THAT BREAKDOWN SPECIFICALLY GOES INTO.

SO YOU'RE SEEING AVERAGE RENT PLUS UTILITIES, SECURITY DEPOSIT CASE MANAGEMENT AND HOUSING NAVIGATION, PLUS THE AMOUNT OF CLIENTS SEEN BY EACH CASE MANAGER AND HOUSING NAVIGATOR EACH MONTH WITH THE SUBTOTAL AND THEN A 10% ADMINISTRATION FEE ON TOP OF THAT.

AND THEN IF WE GO INTO SLIDE NINE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CURRENT DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY RAPID REHOUSING EXPENSE BREAKDOWN.

SO YOU SEE THEIR TOTAL FUNDS EXPENDED, WHAT IS OBLIGATED? SO BEFORE WE MOVE ANY OF THESE EXPENSES OVER, PART OF THE PART OF THE CALCULATION IS, OF COURSE, LOOKING AT WHO IS PROJECTED TO COME INTO THE SYSTEM UTILIZING JUST THIS FUNDING, NOT THE LARGER 22.8 MILLION THAT CAME IN THROUGH HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT TO THE COC.

THIS IS JUST FOR THIS SMALL AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WE WANT TO MOVE OVER SO THAT WE CAN KEEP HOUSING MORE PEOPLE THROUGH THE COLLECTIVE PROGRAM.

SO FUNDS ARE OBLIGATED FOR 12 MONTHS FROM THE BEGINNING.

SO WE KNOW THAT ANYBODY WHO COMES IN HAS AT LEAST 12 MONTHS OF FUNDING.

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SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR UP TO 2.5 MILLION OF THAT.

AND THEN OF COURSE ALL RAPID REHOUSING CLIENTS, AS I SAID, GUARANTEED 12 MONTHS OF RENT.

DE SETS ASIDE THOSE OBLIGATED FUNDS AND WE CLOSELY MONITOR THOSE.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE HAVE COME BEFORE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THREE TIMES BECAUSE WITH ANY AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS, YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE THAT BODY.

I DID THE SAME THING IN OCTOBER, BEFORE OCTOBER OF 2021, WITH THE ORIGINAL DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY AUTHORIZATION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION DECEMBER 13TH.

AND OF COURSE, WE WENT BACK TO NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, BUT THEIR FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE, CITIZEN HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION BRIEFING.

AND NOW WE ARE HERE DOING A BRIEFING ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR PUBLIC HEARING THIS WEDNESDAY.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'LL COME BACK TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE FINAL ADOPTION ON FEBRUARY 28TH.

AND AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO STRESS THAT THIS IS UP TO 2.5 MILLION.

SO WE'LL HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER.

BY EARLY FEBRUARY, WE JUST WANTED ANOTHER MONTH OF DATA TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROJECTIONS WOULD HOLD, AND WE WOULD NOT NEED POTENTIALLY LESS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO LEAVE AS MUCH MONEY WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY AS WE CAN.

EVEN THOUGH RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE 2.5 IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR US TO MOVE OVER.

OKAY, WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIR FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN GRACEY.

I THINK I HAVE THIS KIND OF OUTLINED IN MY HEAD.

SO BASICALLY, WE'RE MOVING 2.5 MILLION FROM THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY TO THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM.

AND I GUESS THE QUESTION I MAYBE THIS IS NOT RELEVANT IF IT IS AND YOU CAN SAY THAT, BUT HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE SUCCESS OF EACH ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS? LIKE, I KNOW IT'S JUST 2.5 MILLION, BUT THERE'S THAT 2.5 MILLION IMPACT.

HOW MANY HOMES, HOW MANY PEOPLE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY TO SAY THIS, HOW MANY PEOPLE LOSE THEIR HOMES AS A RESULT VERSUS COMING OVER HERE TO REHOUSE SO MANY? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING? I DO, AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE WE'VE KIND OF LAID IT OUT HERE AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT IT'S ALSO STILL VERY CONFUSING.

WE GET THAT QUESTION A LOT.

THIS IS ALL THE DALLAS RAPID DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE WHEN WE FIRST SET THIS UP, WHEN COUNCIL FIRST APPROVED IT, IT APPROVED THE $72 MILLION INITIATIVE.

50 MILLION CAME FROM US, PLUS THE COUNTY.

THE REST WAS VOUCHERS AND PHILANTHROPICALLY RAISED AND PUT IT INTO A SOLE SOURCE WITH HOUSING FORWARD, THE LEAD AGENCY OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, TO SUBCONTRACT FOR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES AND HOUSING NAVIGATION THROUGH THE AREA COC PROVIDERS.

THE OTHER PART, WITH THE GREATER PART, WENT TO DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, WHO BUILT A RENTAL PORTAL SO THAT THEY COULD MANAGE ALL OF THE RENT FOR THE CLIENTS, REFERRED TO DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY THROUGH HOUSING FORWARD.

SO IT'S ALL THE SAME PROGRAM.

AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW IS THAT PROGRAM HAS SINCE TRANSFERRED FROM DALLAS CITY MONEY OR THAT 50,000 ONTO FEDERAL FUNDING.

SO IT'S BECOME THE REAL TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

AND THEY'RE INTO NEW TERRITORY WITH MORE FUNDING GOING TO HOUSE MORE PEOPLE.

THE DALLAS FUNDING IS ALMOST DONE, BUT WE STILL HAVE THIS LITTLE PORTION.

AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE 5 MILLION, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE KNOW THAT DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY IS HOUSING PEOPLE AT THIS REALLY GREAT RATE.

WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.

WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS LESS MONEY GIVEN TO HOUSING FOR MORE MONEY GIVEN TO DE.

DO WE NEED TO REBALANCE THAT AT ALL SO WE CAN SERVE MORE PEOPLE WITH THE EXISTING FUNDING? AND BOTH BODIES CAME TOGETHER WITH OHS AND HAD THE ORIGINAL CALCULATION THAT, YES, WE'D MOVE THE WHOLE 5 MILLION OVER TO HOUSING FORWARD FOR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, TO BALANCE THE TO BE PAIRED WITH EXISTING VOUCHERS AND EXISTING RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE FUNDING.

SO THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO NO ONE'S GOING TO LOSE THEIR HOUSING.

THIS ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO SERVE MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH IN TERMS OF OBLIGATED RENT THROUGH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.

WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IS THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICE MONEY TO PAIR WITH THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WHO GOES INTO HOUSING HAS COMPREHENSIVE SERVICES.

AND THEN LOOKING AT IT, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE BROUGHT THIS IN DECEMBER.

SINCE THEN, RENTAL THE DATA THAT WE HAVE FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK THROUGH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY SAYS THAT RENTAL COST HAS GONE UP.

AND SO HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY ACTUALLY DO WE NEED TO PUT INTO SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, KNOWING THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY BE A DIFFERENCE IN HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD BE SERVED WITH THAT FUNDING BASED ON RENTAL COSTS? AND SO WE'VE SAID WE DON'T NEED 5 MILLION.

IT'S UP TO 2.5 MILLION.

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THANK YOU. AND SO SPECIFIC NUMBER.

IT'S I THINK I SAID 265 TO 300 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WILL BE SERVED THROUGH THIS MONEY.

THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.

HAS DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY EXPENDED OR ENCUMBERED ALL THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM? SO ON SLIDE EIGHT.

NOPE, SORRY, SLIDE NINE.

AS OF THE TIME THAT WE DID THIS, WHICH WAS EARLY JANUARY, THEY HAVE OBLIGATED 9 MILLION OF THE 11 MILLION EXPENDED.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING 5.9, EXCUSE ME, 2.5 OVER.

BUT THEIR CURRENT TOTAL IS 26, SO THEY'VE OBLIGATED ABOUT THREE FOURTHS OF IT.

OKAY. AND THAT'S ALL FOR FOLKS THAT MEET THE RAPID REHOUSING MODEL.

CORRECT. OKAY.

ARE YOU AWARE OF DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY HAVING ANY DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR HOMELESS PREVENTION? I BELIEVE THAT THEY DO.

I'LL ALSO SAY HOMELESS PREVENTION/ RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY DO.

THOSE DOLLARS GO THROUGH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE.

THEY DON'T WORK WITH US SO MUCH, BUT THEY DO HAVE, THEY DO HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER HOUSING VOUCHERS.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT EXACT PROCESS, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU BECAUSE IT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.

AND IT'S NOT TROY IS NOT ON THE LINE, IS HE? HE SHOULD BE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MEMO TODAY THAT HE'S DOING.

I'M NOT SURE IF HE IS RIGHT NOW.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR RAPID REHOUSING.

I'M SORRY FOR HOMELESS PREVENTION OR RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

AND AS I SAID, I KNOW THAT IT HAPPENS THROUGH OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE.

THEY HAVE EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

BUT THE ROLE THAT DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY PLAYS IN THAT IF TROY IS NOT ON THE LINE, I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT MYSELF.

SO I'M GOING TO GO TO PAGE SEVEN.

YOUR I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHY ALL OF THIS IS IN HERE, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC COST OF HOMELESSNESS, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THE WAY THIS IS BEING FRAMED, YOU'RE SHOWING A NUMBER THAT IS A NATIONAL NUMBER AND IT'S FROM 2015. WELL, A NATIONAL NUMBER IS GOING TO INCLUDE THE BULK OF HOMELESS IN OUR NATION OR IN CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK.

THEY HAVE A MUCH, MUCH HIGHER COST OF LIVING AND COSTS OF SERVICES.

SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THIS INCLUDES ALL SORTS OF THINGS LIKE CRISIS AND JAILS AND HOSPITALIZATIONS.

THESE COSTS ARE NOT REFLECTIVE OF DALLAS AND SO I DO YOU HAVE A LOCAL NUMBER? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING A LOCAL NUMBER.

WE DON'T HAVE ONE YET.

WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO THIS BODY ABOUT BEFORE WHEN WE BROUGHT THE CORPORATION FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OUT AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BASED OUT OF CHICAGO, TRAVIS COUNTY IS WORKING ON THEIR NUMBERS.

SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON A DALLAS NUMBER.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS, YOU'RE CORRECT, THE PUBLIC COST OF HOMELESSNESS NUMBER IS OLD, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT IS NOW ESTIMATED TO BE MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE WE'VE LIVED THROUGH COVID. NOW THE DALLAS SPECIFIC NUMBER, AGAIN, NOT THE NATIONAL NUMBER, BUT THE PUBLIC COST OF REHOUSING IS CURRENT.

AND SO KNOWING THAT THAT 35,000 IS GOING TO BE HIGHER REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU'RE PULLING IT FROM, WE CAN STILL SAY THAT THE COST OF REHOUSING IS LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT WE ARE GETTING THE PUBLIC NUMBER FOR HOMELESSNESS.

WELL, I GUESS IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MATTER WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T AGREE THAT IT'S NECESSARILY GOING TO BE BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CITIES THAT HAVE UNION CONTRACTS.

I MEAN, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT SCENARIO.

THE THE ISSUE FOR HOMELESSNESS AND REHOUSING IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE COST.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE CASE THAT IS NECESSARY OR NEEDS TO BE MADE.

SO AGAIN, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY IT'S IN THERE.

BUT YOU KNOW, I READ IT AND I'M LIKE, THIS ISN'T CORRECT.

THE NEXT THING IS ON PAGE EIGHT.

WHY? I MEAN, IS THE TITLE CORRECT? ARE YOU TRYING TO SHOW A COST BREAKOUT PER CAPITA, LIKE PER PERSON WITH THESE NUMBERS? YES, THAT IS WHAT WE..

JUST PAUSE AVERAGE SECURITY DEPOSITS.

SO IN YOUR HOUSING, A FAMILY OR A COUPLE, THERE'S NOT TWO SECURITY DEPOSITS.

THERE'S ONE FOR A UNIT.

SO AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THIS, THE DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE WAS FOCUSED MOSTLY ON INDIVIDUALS.

AND I REMEMBER EARLY ON WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE SAID FAMILIES VERSUS INDIVIDUALS.

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SO THERE ARE OUTLIERS.

AND THE REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE WITH A NEW DASHBOARD WILL TAKE FAMILIES INTO ACCOUNT.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL AVERAGE COST PER INDIVIDUAL.

AND WE BROUGHT BOTH SLIDE SEVEN AND SLIDE EIGHT.

BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES BY THIS COMMITTEE, TO BRING FORWARD SPECIFIC COST PER CLIENT DATA FOR THE DALLAS REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE. NOW I CAN HAPPILY GET NUMBERS THAT ALSO INCLUDE FAMILIES FOR YOU.

I CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT.

OKAY, SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE REALLY ABOUT A POLICY QUESTION.

WHY WOULDN'T WE USE THESE REMAINING FUNDS FOR, PROGRAMS THAT NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING? SO COULD THE $2.5 MILLION ACTUALLY BE USED TO FUND THE BRIDGE'S NEED TO ENCLOSE THEIR COURTYARD? COULD IT BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL INCLEMENT WEATHER SERVICES, OR SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER THAT ARE NOT BEING REIMBURSED? OR COULD IT BE USED FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND PEOPLE AT RISK OF EVICTION? SO, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHAIRMAN MORENO.

AND TO VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.

I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND.

SO WHAT WE'VE BROUGHT TODAY IS BASED ON THE CURRENT NEED THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND WORKING WITH HOUSING FORWARD.

AND IT'S REALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AND FUNDING HAD BEEN ALLOCATED FOR.

SO ALL WE'RE REALLY DOING, WHICH IS WHAT CHRISTINE HAS PRESENTED, IS TAKING SOME OF THE BALANCE FUNDING THAT CURRENTLY IS AVAILABLE WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY ARE A PART OF THE RAPID REHOUSING STRATEGY, AND THEN USING THAT FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES THAT WE HAVE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM THIS BODY THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S IN OUR OUTREACH AND ALL OF THE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, THAT THE CASE MANAGEMENT IS CRITICAL.

AND SO THE NEED HAS.

BEEN IDENTIFIED AND WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED TODAY, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS, BUT THIS IS A NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THE RAPID REHOUSING MODEL AND THE SUCCESS THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

SO I WOULD AGREE CASE MANAGEMENT IS CRITICAL.

I THINK I WAS A VERY STRONG VOICE IN REQUIRING IT WITH ALL OF OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS, STARTING WITH COVID, BUT I ALSO DON'T SEE ANY KIND OF DATA ABOUT HOW HOUSE CASE MANAGEMENT GOING.

LIKE, DID I MISS THAT SLIDE? SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS JUST THE REALLOCATION, OF FUNDING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR DATA ON HOW CASE MANAGEMENT IS GOING.

THAT'S COMING IN THE QUARTERLY DEBRIEF IN MARCH, AS WE JUST HAD IT IN DECEMBER, I BELIEVE IT'S NOW OCTOBER.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WITHOUT HAVING IT IN FRONT OF ME THAT, CASE MANAGEMENT IS GOING EXTREMELY WELL.

WE HAVE ABOVE 90% RETENTION RATE IN TERMS OF THOSE WHO ARE HOUSED.

AND CASE MANAGEMENT HAS AGAIN AND AGAIN BEEN SOMETHING THAT IS AS, AS THIS COUNCIL SAID, AS YOU SAID, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

AND OKAY, SO I'D LIKE TO PAUSE, I WOULD LIKE DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL FACE TO FACE VISITS THAT CASE MANAGERS ARE INTERACTING WITH THE RESIDENTS.

NOT I'VE LEFT A STICKY NOTE ON YOUR DOOR BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HOME.

AND THAT COUNTS.

NO, THAT DOESN'T COUNT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT FACE TO FACE NOTES OF WHEN THEY MET AND HOW FREQUENTLY THEY MET.

WE CAN GET THAT. WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY KIND OF DATA LIKE THAT.

THANK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION CHAIR MENDELSOHN, WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH HOUSING FORWARD TO BRING THAT ADDITIONAL DATA, AS WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THE QUARTERLY UPDATES ON THE RAPID REHOUSING.

WE WILL ASK FOR THAT DETAIL TO BE PRESENTED TO THIS BODY.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THE DETAIL THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER COMPLETE HER..

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.

SO WE WILL DEFINITELY REQUEST THE DETAILED INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU AT THIS MOMENT.

NOR IS THAT DATA BEING HELD BY OES.

SO WE WILL ASK THAT QUESTION OF HOUSING FORWARD.

AND WHEN WE BRING THE NEXT QUARTERLY UPDATE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.

SO MY INTEREST IS NOT IN GETTING IT FOR THE NEXT QUARTERLY UPDATE.

MY INTEREST IS IN GETTING IT TO DECIDE WHETHER TO GIVE ANOTHER $2 MILLION FOR A PROGRAM THAT ALREADY HAD SPECIFIED CASE MANAGEMENT, AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL, WELL, WHY DO YOU NEED ADDITIONAL CASE MANAGEMENT? AND THAT IS WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

SO WE NEED ADDITIONAL CASE MANAGEMENT BECAUSE IN ORDER TO HOUSE AN ADDITIONAL 265 TO 300 PEOPLE, WE NEED THE CASE MANAGEMENT TO GO WITH THOSE HOUSING PLACEMENTS.

AND SO TAKING THAT ADDITIONAL 5 MILLION OR 2.5 MILLION AT DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY AND FOCUS AND BALANCING, IT ALLOWS US TO USE PART FOR HOUSING FOR THOSE 12 MONTHS OF OBLIGATED RENT, BUT MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS CASE MANAGEMENT ATTACHED TO IT.

SO THIS IS NEW INDIVIDUALS WHO NEED NEW CASE MANAGEMENT WITH THEIR NEW RENTAL AMOUNT.

SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WOULD IT COST TO SERVE AN ADDITIONAL 300 PEOPLE WITH THE FUNDING LEFT IN THIS CONTRACT ALREADY OBLIGATED TO THIS PURPOSE.

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AND I'M SORRY, BUT THE THE PROGRAM, WHEN WE LAID IT OUT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE WAS A CERTAIN NUMBER THAT WE WERE GOING TO SERVE.

WE'VE NOT ONLY MET THAT GOAL, BUT WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT GOAL.

SO NOW WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SERVE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THE ADDITIONAL CASE MANAGEMENT.

SO THIS IS OVER AND BEYOND THE ORIGINAL GOAL THAT WE HAD FOR THE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM.

AWARE. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.

THANK YOU. SEVERAL ITEMS HAVE BEEN COVERED BY MY COLLEAGUES.

BUT JUST TO TOUCH ON, I TO WORRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE SHIFT, BECAUSE TURNING OFF THE FLOW IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS.

I KNOW I DEDICATED SOME DISCRETIONARY ARPA FUNDS TO RENTAL ASSISTANCE, SO, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THE DEPTH AROUND THE CASE MANAGER VISITS. IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME IF IT'S A STICKY NOTE VERSUS AN INTERACTION.

AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A HANDLE ON THAT.

AND TO THE POINT ABOUT MAKING AN INVESTMENT WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE GETTING THAT MESSAGE.

ON THE PUBLIC COST OF HOMELESSNESS.

THE NUMBERS TEN YEARS OLD ARE ALMOST TEN YEARS OLD.

I'M EVEN IF IT WAS A PUSH, WE KNOW THE LONG TERM BENEFIT OF THE HOUSING ASPECT OF THIS.

SO I DO HOPE THAT LOCALLY OR WITHIN OUR COUNTY'S AREA, WE CAN GET TO A NUMBER.

IT'S JUST IT'S MEANINGFUL TO OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WHEN THEY SEE THAT UPFRONT COST, IT LOOKS REALLY HIGH.

BUT TO SHARE THE DOWNSIDE IS A CRITICAL PART OF EDUCATING OUR PUBLIC.

I THINK WE NEED AND THEN JUST ON SLIDE FOUR, AND I KNOW THE THE CRUX OF THIS IS ABOUT THE MOVING THE MONEY, BUT I WANT TO CALL OUT THAT PRIVATE DONATIONS WERE PART OF THIS INITIAL FUNDING.

AND THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL.

AND I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE THAT AND THAT THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING THE CITY WITH THAT.

THAT SAID, THERE'S ALSO A BIG BLUE BLOB FOR OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

AND I KNOW THAT'S BEEN BROKEN OUT IN THE PAST.

I'D LIKE TO REVISIT THAT AND ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT SOME ARE DOING, HOW THEY'RE FINDING A WAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SMALLER IN POPULATION AND BUDGET SIZE.

AND I MEAN, THEY MAY HAVE THEY MAY BE RUNNING UP AGAINST ARPA DEADLINES, TOO.

SO THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP HELP US.

AND IF THE CONTRIBUTION IS ZERO, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO SHOW THAT TOO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

WHAT IS THE THE TIME CONSTRAINTS WITH THE MOVING OF THESE DOLLARS? SO THE CURRENT TIME CONSTRAINT IS WE'RE EXTENDING THE PUBLIC HEARING OUT ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO FEBRUARY 28TH.

AT WHICH POINT THIS CAN COME BACK FOR A DECISION.

WE DO HAVE CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES THAT CANNOT CONTINUE WITHOUT THIS FUNDING.

IN TERMS OF FOR THE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT WE, THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY IS PREPARED TO ADD.

AND I DO WANT TO SAY THIS ISN'T TURNING OFF THE FLOW OF HOUSING.

SO IF THIS MONEY STAYED WHERE IT WAS WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE WOULD BE ROLLED ONTO HOUSING, AS WOULD BE IF 2.5 OF IT WAS MOVED.

THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT THEY'RE NOT PROJECTING TO NEED FOR THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE CASE MANAGEMENT FOR THOSE HOUSING PLACEMENTS POSSIBLE.

SO THERE IS A NEED TO GET SOME FUNDING OVER TO NEW CASE MANAGEMENT SLOTS.

BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THE FEBRUARY 28TH TIMELINE WAS NOT MET, I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE ATTORNEYS TO SEE IF WE CAN PUSH THE HEARING, EXTEND THE HEARING OUT ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT THE END OF MARCH.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING.

WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. I'LL ECHO THE IMPORTANCE IN AND HOW CRITICAL CASE MANAGEMENT IS, IN PROVIDING THOSE WRAPAROUND SERVICES.

BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD THOSE STORIES OF WE KNOCK ON SOMEONE'S DOOR, AND IF THEY'RE NOT THERE, IF THEY'RE EITHER AT A CLINIC, AT THEIR JOB, OR JUST OUT AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO CRITICAL THAT WE TOUCH THESE PEOPLE AS MANY TIMES AS WE CAN.

WITH THAT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

WHEN WE ARE DECOMMISSIONING A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO HOUSE, DO THE DO THESE FOLKS GET THE SAME CASE MANAGERS OR ARE THESE JUST FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN ALREADY PLACED? SO THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

THE WAY A DECOMMISSIONING WORKS IS, OUR OUTREACH WORKERS ARE THE ONES OUT BUILDING THE BY NAME LIST OF BARRIERS AND WHAT'S NEEDED.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THAT, THE HOUSING NAVIGATORS ARE MEETING WITH THEM TO HELP THEM GET INTO APARTMENTS.

AND THOSE TWO SOURCES COMBINE ARE HELPING WITH THE RENTAL APPLICATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

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AND AT THAT POINT, THEY'RE HANDED OFF FROM STREET OUTREACH TO THEIR CASE MANAGER, WHO IS OFTEN WITH THEM, BEFORE OR AT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE MOVING INTO THEIR NEW APARTMENT.

SO THAT'S THE HANDOFF TO THE LONGER TERM PROGRAMING, AND THAT'S FOR EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE NEED A ROUND TWO? OKAY. AND CHAIR, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTED INFORMATION BEFORE THAT FEBRUARY HEARING CLOSES, WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO ITEM E, PLEASE.

MIC] OKAY.

VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.

THANK YOU. I'M WONDERING, IS ANYBODY FROM BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HERE? WE ARE.

HI.

WELL, FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN MORENO, THESE ARE QUESTIONS I'VE ASKED FOR A LONG TIME.

AND THANK YOU FOR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH FOR PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT RIGHT.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITALS IN THE DALLAS REGION, AND I LOOK DOWN THIS LIST, THE ONLY ONE THAT I SEE THAT'S ACTUALLY SITUATED IN DALLAS IS GREEN OAKS.

IS THAT RIGHT? WITH 124 BEDS.

I'M SO SORRY I LOST OUT DURING YOUR QUESTION.

I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I WAS SAYING THAT WHEN I WAS READING YOUR MEMO, AND I LOOK AT THE TABLE OF MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITALS IN THE DALLAS REGION, AND I LOOK DOWN THE LIST, THE ONLY ONE THAT APPEARS TO BE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ACTUALLY MEDICAL CITY'S GREEN OAKS HOSPITAL.

IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SEARCHING MY MEMORY FOR THE CITY ON THOSE HOSPITALS, I BELIEVE THAT.

I THINK WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

IF THE PRESENTER CAN GO OVER HIS COMMENTS AGAIN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT.

AS FAR AS THE THE HOSPITALS THAT ARE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

OKAY. AND THEN SO GREEN OAKS, THIS IS THESE ARE THE HOSPITALS IN THAT TABLE THAT ARE FULLY DEDICATED TO MENTAL HEALTH.

AND THEN THE EARLIER TABLE WHERE IT SAYS LICENSED GENERAL SPECIALTY HOSPITALS, THEY JUST HAVE BEDS THAT ARE SOMETIMES AVAILABLE IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE TWO TABLES, ONE TABLE, THE WHOLE HOSPITAL IS A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH HOSPITAL.

THE OTHER TABLE ARE GENERAL HOSPITALS THAT HAVE LICENSED BEDS.

SO THEY WILL BE DEDICATED TO PSYCHIATRY WHETHER THEY'RE USED OR NOT.

AND ARE THEY RESERVED BEDS LIKE IS THE BED SITTING WAITING FOR A PATIENT BECAUSE IT'S DEDICATED TO MENTAL HEALTH OR IT'S AS AVAILABLE? SO IT'LL BE, SO THERE'LL BE AN AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE LICENSED FOR.

AND THEN THERE'LL BE AN AMOUNT OF BEDS THAT ARE IN USE.

SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THE HOSPITAL MAY HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO PUT THOSE BEDS IN USE OR NOT IN USE FOR PSYCHIATRIC PURPOSES.

SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.

AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT TABLE OF THE GENERAL HOSPITALS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO THAT ARE ACTUALLY SITUATED IN DALLAS, ONE OF WHICH IS PARKLAND, LICENSED FOR 28 BEDS, AND TEXAS HEALTH PRESBY DALLAS, LICENSED FOR 42 BEDS.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

IS THERE A NATIONAL METRIC ON POPULATION SIZE AND NUMBER OF MENTAL HEALTH BEDS THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PRACTICE? THIS SEEMS LIKE A MINUSCULE NUMBER OF BEDS GIVEN THE LARGE MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS OF OUR REGION.

SO I'M AWARE OF AVERAGES, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF A NATIONAL METRIC THAT IS, THAT ORGANIZATIONS ARE INSTRUCTED TO HAVE.

DO YOU HAVE A GOAL OF A NUMBER OF BEDS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED TO THE SYSTEM?

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AND I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IN REFLECTED IN THE TABLE IS THAT IN ORDER TO GET THE CAPACITY THAT WE NEED, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EVER EXPANDING CIRCLE IN ORDER TO FIND THOSE AVAILABLE BEDS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO IF MORE BEDS WERE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE PEOPLE ABOUT, CONTRACTING WITH THEM.

ARE YOU AWARE OF ADDITIONAL HOSPITALS OR, ADDITIONAL BEDS THAT EXISTING HOSPITALS ARE SEEKING LICENSING FOR? NO. WE ONLY HAVE VISIBILITY ONCE THE LICENSE IS ACTUALLY PROVIDED.

AND DO YOU THINK THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT BEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE NEEDS THAT ARE PRESENT? SO WE OFTEN ARE ABLE TO FIND SUFFICIENT BEDS TO MEET OUR CONTRACTING ABILITY.

BUT THERE ARE DAYS WHERE WE CANNOT FIND A LOCAL BED IN ORDER TO MOVE PEOPLE INTO.

SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE FIND THE CAPACITY TO BE LESS THAN WHAT WE WOULD LIKE.

SO YOU JUST ANSWERED THAT YOU'RE GENERALLY ABLE TO FIND BEDS TO MEET YOUR CONTRACTING ABILITY, BUT ARE YOU ARE THERE BEDS TO MEET THE NEED? SO, I THINK IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE HOW TO MEASURE THAT NEED.

YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE IN, EMERGENCY ROOMS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, WHO ARE, MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, AND SO I GUESS WE'RE, I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, THE NEED FOR BEDS, WOULDN'T LINE UP EXACTLY WITH OUR CONTRACTED ABILITY TO PURCHASE THOSE BEDS.

SO WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE VISIBILITY INTO THE COMPLETE NEED.

ONLY THE NEED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT MET OUR ABILITY TO PAY FOR.

AND I JUST WANT TO VERIFY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR CONTRACTING ABILITY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FUNDING AVAILABILITY CORRECT? CORRECT. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

YES, MA'AM. AND SO I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT VERY OFTEN WE'LL HEAR THAT, AN INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN BROUGHT IN BY THE POLICE THAT, ON AN APPLE THAT THEY NEED, THEY NEED SIGNIFICANT MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, AND THE ATTENDING DOCTORS WILL RELEASE THEM HOURS OR EVEN A DAY LATER.

AND THE COMMENTS WE'RE HEARING BACK ARE THERE'S NO BEDS AVAILABLE THAT EVEN IF WE WANTED TO KEEP THEM, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.

SO THERE'S NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO RELEASE THEM BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN VIOLENT, TO OTHERS OR A DANGER TO THEMSELVES.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP ASKING YOU.

AND I'M SORRY, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE HOT SEAT OR ANYTHING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IF YOU HAVE A MEASUREMENT OF UNFILLED NEED, THAT COULD BE EXPRESSED SOMEHOW ? SO, YES, I THINK, FOR THOSE DAYS WHERE YOU SEE US, LOOKING FOR BEDS AND NOT ABLE TO FIND THEM, THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE EASY METRIC OF, A CAPACITY WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CAPACITY.

SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH BEDS IN THE COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE THERE CERTAINLY IS A NEED, FOR US TO MOVE INDIVIDUALS OUT.

AND OF COURSE, THAT'S JUST FOLKS, THAT ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD FUND THEM.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE VISIBILITY INTO THE PRIVATE, SYSTEM IF SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH INSURANCE, FOR EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE A NEED THERE AND A LACK OF ABILITY TO MOVE THOSE FOLKS AS WELL.

AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NOT A GOOD PICTURE ON THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL CAPACITY.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, THANK YOU.

AND I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT ON HOW WE DEFINE THAT.

I WOULD THINK THAT AT THE COUNTY JAIL YOU COULD PROBABLY, GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF I MEAN, THAT'S ONE PLACE THAT WE HOUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY NOT GETTING A LOT OF SERVICES THAT THEY WOULD NEED THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR MENTAL HEALTH STATE.

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AND THEN UNDERSTANDING WHO'S DISCHARGED THAT.

YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR THIS? IT'S BACK OUT ON THE STREET AGAIN.

I KNOW UT SOUTHWESTERN'S FACILITY.

THAT PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL IS NOT SUPPOSED TO COME ONLINE UNTIL LATE 2025.

DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S STILL ON TRACK OR ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT PROJECT? YES, MA'AM. I'M AWARE OF THE PROJECT AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT BEING OFF TRACK, SO THAT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION AS WELL.

THEN IT'S A VERY MUCH NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BE 200 ADULT BEDS, 96 PEDIATRIC BEDS.

BUT I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION WHEN I READ THIS.

WHAT'S THE GAP? WHAT'S NEEDED? WHAT ARE WHAT HOW MANY SHORT ARE WE FOR WHAT THE COMMUNITY DEMANDS.

SO IF YOU ALL HAVE A I MEAN THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, I THINK NOT ONLY TO THIS BODY BUT TO OTHERS AND PLANNING.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE UNDER YOUR PURVIEW TO BEGIN TO SPECULATE OR HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME DATA THAT YOU COULD DRAW UPON TO COME UP WITH A RANGE? THAT WOULD BE, WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO SOME OF THAT DATA, SORT OF HOW MANY HOSPITAL BEDS AT A GIVEN COMMUNITY NEEDS? THAT'S CERTAINLY A QUESTION WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE INPUT ON.

OKAY, WELL, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOVE TO SEE THAT, SO WE'D APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I WILL FIRST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M GLAD TO SEE THE DALLAS DEFLECTION CENTER AND RIGHT CARE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE WORKING IN TANDEM WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

MY CONCERNS ARE FROM OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, WHO I HEAR FROM, TIME IN AND TIME AGAIN THAT THEY'LL DO AN APAL ON AN INDIVIDUAL TAKE.

RIGHT NOW, OUR OUR COLD TEMPERATURES WHERE THERE'S INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OUTDOORS, THEY ARE, UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS.

AND OUR TEAMS ARE OUT THERE WORKING DILIGENTLY, TRYING TO ASSIST, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS TO, SEEK SHELTER FROM THE FREEZING COLD OR IN THE SUMMERTIME WHEN WE SEE INDIVIDUALS WHEN IT'S 100 PLUS DEGREES OUTSIDE AND THEY'RE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE JACKETS ON. AND SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A NEED FOR THESE SERVICES.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE APAL PROCESS? WHEN EITHER AN INDIVIDUAL CALLS IN ON SOMEONE WHO'S RUNNING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET OR WHO HAS, A WEAPON WITH THEM. AND LET ME ACTUALLY TAKE THE WEAPON AWAY.

SOMEONE WHO'S RUNNING AROUND IN THE STREET.

WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO CALL AND WHAT, THEN WHAT'S THE 911 OFFICER ROLE? AND THEN WHAT'S THE DOCTOR'S ROLE? IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE ME A STEP BY STEP ON THE EVALUATION PROCESS.

SURE. SO, WHEN A CITIZEN CALLS 911 FOR AN ISSUE, THAT APPEARS TO BE A PSYCHIATRIC EMERGENCY.

I'LL JUST NOTE THAT THAT WOULD BE A CASE WHERE THERE'S A PSYCHIATRIC EMERGENCY.

AND NOT JUST A CRISIS.

IF IT'S A PSYCHIATRIC CRISIS WHERE FOLKS ARE NOT IN IMMINENT DANGER.

THEN A CALL TO OUR HOTLINE, IS REALLY WARRANTED.

AND THAT HOTLINE WILL BE ANSWERED BY CRISIS WORKERS WHO WILL BE ABLE TO SCREEN THE CALL.

AND IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, HELP NAVIGATE THE INDIVIDUAL TO ONGOING SERVICES.

IF IT NEEDS A CRISIS TEAM RESPONSE, THEN NAVIGATE A CRISIS TEAM, THE MOBILE CRISIS OUTREACH TEAM OUT TO THE INDIVIDUAL.

NOW, THOSE ARE FOR RESPONSES THAT CAN TOLERATE, YOU KNOW, A 6 TO 8 HOUR RESPONSE.

SO THAT'S A CRISIS, NOT AN EMERGENCY.

SO IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY AND THE INDIVIDUAL CALLS 911, IN THE CENTER THERE WILL BE [INAUDIBLE] STAFF WHO WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE, TO THE 911 DISPATCHERS AS APPROPRIATE.

AND THEN IF, IF AN OFFICER IS DISPATCHED TO THE SCENE, THEN THAT OFFICER DETERMINES IF, IT'S AN APPLE SITUATION AND IF A PERSON NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO EMERGENCY DETENTION. AND IF THAT OFFICER DETERMINES THAT, THEN THE INDIVIDUAL IS TAKEN TO THE NEAREST APPROPRIATE, MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.

AND ONCE THEY ARRIVE, THE INDIVIDUAL IS SCREENED, FOR, TO SEE IF THEY ARE APPROPRIATE FOR HOSPITALIZATION OR IF THEY NEED TO BE HELD. AND THAT SCREENING LASTS FOR UP TO 48 HOURS.

AND THEN, BASED ON THAT, THE INDIVIDUAL CAN BE HELD, IF THEY PASS CERTAIN, DIAGNOSTIC AND LEGAL CRITERIA, FOR LONGER. BUT I WILL NOTE ONCE WE'RE CALLING THAT, ONCE WE'RE WITHIN THE 911 TRANSPORT TO HOSPITAL KIND OF SYSTEM, WE'VE MISSED SOME, SOME REALLY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE WOULD PREFER

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YOU KNOW, RIGHT CARE IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.

MANY TIMES, AT THE 911 DISPATCH, THOSE, AS YOU WELL KNOW, CAN GET DIVERTED OUT TO RIGHT CARE WHO CAN ASSIST KEEPING THE PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ALSO CRISIS RESPONSES AS WELL.

THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR, PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO, IN THE FUTURE HAVE A FULL BRIEFING ON THIS ONE ITEM.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO DO A COUPLE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS IN IN ADDITION TO OUR MEMO.

IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BODY, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE UP WITH ITEM J AND THEN FOLLOWED BY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM UPDATES THAT YOU'LL GET A MEMO PASSED OUT TO YOU HERE MOMENTARILY.

AND IT'LL ALSO COME OUT ON A FRIDAY MEMO SO WE CAN MOVE TO ITEM J.

AND WE'LL START WITH CHAIRMAN WEST.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

AND I'VE RECEIVED A BUNCH OF EMAILS FROM DIFFERENT PROVIDERS OF WHO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM.

SOME. AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE COME HERE TODAY, I DON'T EVEN COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

BUT I KNOW THAT WITH OUR NEW, AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN USED AS PART OF THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM, NEW POLICY CHANGES, IT'S CAUSED SOME PROBLEMS WITH OUR NONPROFITS. AND I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK STAFF IF YOU CAN GIVE A VERY SHORT EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE CHANGES ARE AND THEN IF THE CHAIR WILL ALLOW IT.

I WAS GOING TO ASK, MR. DINGMAN, BECAUSE HE'S EMAILED ME THE MOST IF HE WANTED TO SORT OF GIVE US A SUMMATION FROM YOUR END.

OKAY. GOOD MORNING.

CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

DARWIN WADE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.

IN THE MEMO THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS UPDATE.

WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM OUR DEVELOPER COMMUNITY RELATING TO, A FEW CHALLENGES WITH OUR POLICIES AROUND CERTAIN PROGRAMS. SO, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM AND CONFLICT WITH THE, WHEN A BUYER USES DEHAP.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING IN THIS CURRENT, SESSION THAT IS AN UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM.

SO WE DO HAVE A FIXED RESOLUTION FOR THAT ITEM.

THE OTHER ITEM THAT'S ON HERE RELATES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.

THAT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY NOFA.

THAT'S THAT'S THE GAP FINANCING THAT WE PROVIDE TO DEVELOPERS IN THE FORM OF A REPAYABLE LOAN.

AND THAT IS A CHALLENGE FOR OUR DEVELOPERS, ESPECIALLY OUR NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS, BECAUSE THE FUNDS ARE A REPAYABLE LOAN.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, ADDRESSED IN THIS UPDATED MEMO.

AND THE REMAINING ISSUE ARE THE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM DEVELOPERS, WERE IN RELATION TO THE THE DALLAS HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE [INAUDIBLE] PROGRAM UNDERWRITING GUIDELINES, SPECIFICALLY SPECIFICALLY THE FRONT END AND BACK END RATIOS THAT THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR HOME BUYERS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN OUR LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM OR THE LAND BANK PROGRAM.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ISSUES THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON.

AND WE PROVIDED ADJUST THE IN THE MEMO, YOU WILL SEE THE BARRIERS, AND YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE, RECOMMENDED TO YOU TODAY ON THOSE ISSUES. THANK YOU.

MR. DINGMAN, CAN YOU JUST JOIN US FOR A SECOND AND LET US KNOW IF IF AND I'M UNLESS YOU TELL ME OTHERWISE, I'LL ASSUME YOU GUYS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE BECAUSE YOU'RE EXPERIENCING THE SAME PROBLEMS. YOU JUST EXPLAIN IF THE WHAT STAFFS PROVIDED HERE IF THIS FIXES THE ISSUE, AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

AND IF YOU CAN KEEP THAT TWO MINUTES, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. PARDON, SIR. TWO MINUTES.

HE SAID TWO MINUTES? YES, OF COURSE I'M JOE DINGMAN.

I'M WITH THE CATHOLIC HOUSING INITIATIVE.

WE HAVE A CONTRACT TO BUILD HOMES IN THE FIVE MILE NEIGHBORHOOD ON CITY PROVIDED INFILL LOTS, AND ALL MY COMMENTS ARE PERTINENT TO THAT.

AND I WILL QUICKLY SAY THAT, YES, DARWIN HAS ACCURATELY DESCRIBED THE THREE ISSUES THAT AFFECT PEOPLE.

THOSE DON'T DON'T SLICE EVENLY ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING THAT DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT.

THEY'RE JUST USING LAND TRANSFER LOTS.

I THINK THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE PROBLEM IN TERMS OF ISSUES.

BUILDERS WILL HOPE AND OUR ORGANIZATION ARE UNIQUELY AFFECTED AND THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT TO BUILD THOSE HOUSES WITH SOME HOME ASSISTANCE,

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AND A PORTION OF THE ASSISTANCE IS INTENDED TO BE FORGIVABLE BY THE CONTRACT, BUT APPARENTLY THERE'S A POLICY CONFLICT.

I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND IT THAT EFFECTIVELY HAS US IN A POSITION OF EITHER, REPAYING THE TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE AND LOSING MONEY ON THE HOMES OR WAITING AROUND UNTIL THE PROBLEM IS SOMEHOW FIXED.

DOES THE AMENDMENT ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? SO THE CURRENT AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA SPECIFICALLY RELATES TO THE LAND TRANSFER AND THE DAP RESTRICTION.

SO WITH THE RESALE PROVISIONS AND THE RECAPTURE PROVISIONS, THE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY DOES NOT, ADDRESS THE SINGLE FAMILY NOFA WITH, WITH THE REPAYABLE LOANS, NOR DOES IT ADDRESS THE FRONT END AND BACK END RATIOS THAT MASTER CONSTRUCTION HAS BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT, OR IS THIS A POSITION THAT WOULD BE CONTRARY TO STAFF TO TO MAKE THOSE FIXES? WE ARE OPEN TO WHATEVER THE WILL OF THIS COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL AND THE BODY.

WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES WITH DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL, AND WE CAN GET WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM TO ADDRESS OR TO EDIT THE CURRENT AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. MR. DINGMAN, WHAT'S THE PRACTICAL EFFECT ON THE GROUND IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THE FORGIVABLE LOAN PIECE OF THIS? I REALLY DON'T HAVE A FIX FOR IT, OTHER THAN REQUIRING THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH THE CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.

WHAT WOULD BE THE I MEAN, THE REALITY ON THE GROUND, WE JUST NO ONE WOULD BE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM ANYMORE OR? YEAH. I THINK IF WE KNEW THIS PROBLEM, IF IF WE WERE ABLE TO ANTICIPATE THIS PROBLEM, WE SIMPLY WOULDN'T HAVE BUILT THE HOUSE.

RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT SEVEN HOUSES THAT ARE EITHER COMPLETE OR, NEAR COMPLETION BY MARCH 1ST.

AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ABOUT $140,000 ON THOSE SEVEN HOUSES.

ABSENT THIS, THIS, SUBSIDY PAYMENT BUILDERS WILL HOPE, I THINK HAS EVEN MORE HOUSES AND PROBABLY A MORE DIRE THING.

WE HAVE SOME OTHER OPERATIONS WHERE, AS BUILDERS OF HOPE, IS UNIQUELY BUILDING HOUSES.

WELL, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND EVERYONE STICKING WITH US IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND JUST CLARITY FOR EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY MYSELF.

I SUPPORT THE THIS TODAY US GETTING THIS THROUGH.

AND THEN WHAT I WOULD ASK IS FROM OUR INDUSTRY PARTNERS, IF YOU COULD BRING PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER INCLUDING IN AN AMENDMENT NEXT MONTH, I'M HAPPY TO BRING THAT FORWARD FOR A DISCUSSION PIECE.

IT'S HARD FOR US TO, AT LEAST FOR ME, TO KIND OF TAKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND PUT IT INTO WORDS TO EDIT THIS TODAY, I NEED I NEED SOMETHING TANGIBLE IN FRONT OF ME.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, AND I'M HAPPY TO.

AND IF STAFF DOESN'T WORK FOR STAFF, IT'S NOT LEGAL.

WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THIS WILL HELP US GET HALFWAY THERE AND THEN WHATEVER WE NEED, LET'S WORK ON IT IN THE NEXT MONTH.

YEAH. AND THAT'S THE THE POINT OF THIS MEETING WAS TO GET FEEDBACK FROM FROM YOU GUYS ON WHERE WE NEEDED TO GO AND HOW WE WANTED TO GET THERE.

AND WE'RE CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO THAT.

AND WE CAN WORK WITH OUR DEVELOPER PARTNERS, WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM TO ADDRESS THE FORGIVABLE PORTION OF THAT.

WELL, THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID WE WANT IS MORE HOMEBUYERS, MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR SALE.

LIKE WE'VE GOT TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

YEAH, THERE'S, WE CERTAINLY CAN SIT DOWN WITH DARWIN AND COME UP WITH A REMEDY IN TERMS THAT THAT AND I THINK IT ULTIMATELY GOES BACK TO AN ADJUSTMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE POLICY, HOUSING POLICY.

HOWEVER, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

WE'RE SITTING HERE WITH THESE HOUSES THAT ARE HOUSES.

HOUSES DETERIORATE, THEY GET BROKEN INTO.

THEY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED.

SO TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

WE LIKE THIS RESOLVED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

AND PART OF OUR FRUSTRATION IS THAT THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH A SORT OF A SEQUENTIAL POLICY OF CONSIDERATION.

COMING BACK TO YOUR COMMITTEE IN A MONTH IS REALLY NOT OUR IDEAL SOLUTION.

THE OTHER THING I THINK YOU SHOULD ADDRESS TODAY IS THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF OF THE FRONT END AND BACK END RATIOS, BECAUSE THAT TOO HAS A NUMBER OF HOUSES BLOCKED, BUT THAT CAN'T BE SOLD BECAUSE THE BUYERS CAN'T BE APPROVED.

MY SUGGESTION THERE IS RATHER SIMPLE, WHICH IS YOU HAVE A PRIVATE LENDER WHO'S WILLING TO LEND.

WHY IS THE CITY INTRODUCING A HARDER TEST OF AFFORDABILITY THAN THE PRIVATE LENDER? THE CITY HAS NO INVESTMENT IN THAT PARTICULAR TRANSACTION.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.

THANK YOU. WELL, THAT'S AN ENLIGHTENING POINT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE EXPEDIENCY.

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I MEAN, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH MR. ARMSTRONG, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AROUND THIS? I MEAN, HE'S IN CHAMBERS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT END OF THIS WHOLE MORNING WAS ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY AFFORDABILITY AND HOME OWNERSHIP.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I KNOW WHEN WE'RE OUR OWN STICK IN THE SPOKES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THAT.

SO WE OUR TIME IS SHORT.

HOWEVER, I THINK THERE'S HEART TO GET TO A SOLUTION ON THIS.

BUT PROCESS WISE, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE ENCUMBERED.

JAMES ARMSTRONG, BUILDERS OF HOPE CEO AND PRESIDENT.

WE WOULD LEAN ON STAFF TO CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE.

I THINK THAT STAFF DOES HAVE THE APPETITE TO CHANGE THAT POLICY.

REGARDING THE FORGIVABLE PIECE.

THE FORGIVABLE PIECE, REALLY, IT BUYS DOWN THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, MAKES THE HOME, IN THE RANGE OF AFFORDABILITY FOR 60 TO 80% OF FAMILIES WHO ARE 60 TO 80% OF THE AMI.

AND SO WITHOUT THAT FORGIVABLE PIECE, IF THAT WAS NOT IN PLACE, THE HOME WOULD BE UNAFFORDABLE AND THE CONTRACT BASICALLY WOULD BE NULL AND VOID.

AND SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OBTAIN HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR FAMILIES THAT ARE 60 TO 80% OF THE AMI.

WITHOUT THAT FORGIVABLE PIECE, WE END UP CREATING A LOSS FOR THE NONPROFIT DEVELOPER.

IS THERE A PROCESS? IS THERE A WAY WE CAN COLLAPSE THIS PROCESS? CYNTHIA, THANK YOU FOR WORKING THROUGH THIS.

I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR EXPEDIENCY IN THIS PROCESS, BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME LEGAL PARAMETERS AND THAT WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE OWN POLICY THAT WE'VE WRITTEN, AS A COUNCIL.

AND SO I KNOW THERE ARE SOME WORK TO BE DONE, BUT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS IS ASKING IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO GO TO FULL COUNCIL, WITH SOME CHANGES.

SO IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO FULL COUNCIL FOR THE CHANGE, BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING POLICY AND CARRIES OVER INTO THE NEW POLICY.

THESE ARE POLICIES THAT WERE WRITTEN SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND THEY WERE WRITTEN IN THOUGHT TO PROTECT THE CITY'S INVESTMENT, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S A FRONT END BACK END RATIO.

AND BOTH THE LAND BANK LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM POLICY AS WELL AS IN THE CHP, THE NORMAL PROCESS IS THAT IT COMES TO HOUSING COMMITTEE FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO MOVE THE POLICY CHANGES FORWARD.

WE PRESENTED THAT TO YOU IN NOVEMBER TO THINK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE POLICY CHANGES.

IF YOU WANTED US TO MAKE THOSE, AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE POLICY CHANGES THAT COULD BE, LOOKED AT AND DETERMINED.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MARKET IS TELLING US, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS US.

SO LET ME SPEAK TO LET ME SPEAK TO LOW TO TO NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS, PARTICULARLY, NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS.

NUMBERS ARE VERY TIGHT TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT THERE TO MAKE A PROFIT.

THEY'RE THERE TO SELL AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT WHEN THE POLICY WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS WRITTEN AS A BLANKET.

ALL LOANS COMING OUT OF THE CITY WOULD BE REPAYABLE, AND THAT INCLUDES THEM AS DEVELOPERS, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CARVE OUT FOR NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS. IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE REALLY STRUGGLING BECAUSE THEY ARE GIVING UP ANY OPERATING, ANY OPERATING FUNDS THAT THEY COULD GAIN FROM THOSE SALES AND ACTUALLY GIVING THEM BACK TO US.

THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHY WE DO GAP FINANCING IS TO SUPPORT THAT GAP, BUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO REPAY IT, IT'S A WHOLE NOW.

IT'S NOT A GAP.

THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL WITHIN COMPLIANCE, SO THAT WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES, IN JEOPARDY FOR, FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.

AND WITH THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

THE DEVELOPERS AND ALL.

AND AS WELL AS THE HOUSING, THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO, I'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS ISSUE, BOTH FROM A HOME BUYERS PERSPECTIVE, WHO'VE TALKED TO ME ABOUT SOME ISSUES THAT THEY'VE BEEN FACING, AS WELL AS SOME DEVELOPERS, CHRIS AND AND ALL THE FOLKS HERE AND JAMES AND ALL THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, FROM THERE.

SO I REALLY JUST A COMMENT QUICKLY IS JUST SO THAT WE CAN WORK TO GET THIS RESOLVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE DO THAT.

IS THERE A TIMELINE, BY WHICH THIS IS ALL GOING TO GET ADDRESSED?

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IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES AND YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TODAY, WE CAN PUT IT ON A COUNCIL AGENDA IN FEBRUARY.

BUT THAT REALLY IS UP TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

SO ON AN ISSUE THIS SENSITIVE, I WOULD PERSONALLY NOT LIKE TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS RIGHT NOW.

WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE IS FOR ANY SORT OF AMENDMENTS TO, BE FORWARDED IT TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND TO HAVE TRY TO HAVE THOSE INCLUDED FOR OUR FEBRUARY COUNCIL MEETING RATHER THAN COMING BACK TO COMMITTEE.

AND I'LL LOOK OVER TO MY LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT FOR MY COLLEAGUES FOR GUIDANCE ON IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD RATHER SEE AS OPPOSED TO IT COMING BACK TO COMMITTEE AND THEN COUNCIL. AND SO, GO AHEAD.

YEAH. I THINK IN CONFERRING WITH THE ATTORNEYS, IT'S OUR OWN POLICY THAT WE WOULD JUST SUSPEND FOR HAVING IT HAVE TO HAVE A WEIGH STATION HERE FIRST.

I THINK WE'D LIKE TO BE EXPEDIENT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M FEELING FROM EVERYONE.

SO. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, CHAIR.

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

I THINK I WOULD ENCOURAGE BOTH THE SUGGESTIONS PROVIDED BY OUR PARTNERS HERE TO BE INCLUDED IN ANY CHANGES, AND IT WOULD GO DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT THERE. OF COURSE. YOU KNOW, AS A FULL BODY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY.

AND AS FAR AS I'M JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RELEVANT OR NOT, BUT IF POSSIBLE, TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THOSE WHO'VE EXPERIENCED IT FROM THE BUYING PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. YES, SIR.

YES. AND WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

SO IN THE MEMO YOU WILL SEE FEEDBACK FROM BOTH DEVELOPERS AND BUYERS.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN THIS MEMO.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY CRAFT A POLICY TO CORRECT ALL THOSE ISSUES AND CHALLENGES.

DO YOU WANT TO ADD I JUST LIKE TO ADD IN ADDITION.

BO IS WAITING ON AN $86,000 REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE CITY.

SO THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS OUR BOTTOM LINE AND FOR NON PROFIT THAT OUR FLAGSHIP PROGRAM IS HOME OWNERSHIP.

IT IT PUTS US IN A TIGHT POSITION FINANCIALLY.

OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A QUICK SECOND ROUND BEFORE THAT.

THE GUIDANCE THAT I'M LOOKING AND I THINK WE RECEIVED WAS ANY, CHANGES, AMENDMENTS TO BE FORWARDED TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND THEN GOING TO THE FULL COUNCIL, FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND WITH THAT, MR. GRACEY, WE'LL WRAP IT UP WITH THAT TWO MINUTES, PLEASE.

REAL QUICK, I SEE, MISTER KEITH.

CHRIS, KEITH, HERE, YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS YOU WANT TO ADD? I JUST WANT TO SAY, COME ON.

COME TO THE MIC. I JUST WANT TO THANK FIRST OF ALL, THANK COUNCIL FOR, ADDRESSING THE ISSUE.

ALL YOU GUYS IN THE HOUSING COMMITTEE, I JUST WANT TO SAY, AS, WORKING WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE AND THE PEOPLE OUT HERE, KWAME.

MR. [INAUDIBLE], THAT I'M ON THE GROUND EVERY DAY WITH THE PEOPLE AND THE CONTRACTS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, BUYING HOMES AND PEOPLE BUYING HOMES, THEY THEIR LIFE HAS LITERALLY CHANGED BECAUSE MOST OF THEM HAVE ALREADY SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND GOT OUT THEIR APARTMENTS, AND NOW THEY LIVING IN HOTELS AND BUDGET ENDS THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO GET INTO A HOME.

SO NOW THE RATIOS OF THEIR SPENDING AND THEIR FRONT END ISSUES ARE BECOMING A BIGGER PROBLEM.

SO WHEN I'M OUT HERE BUILDING HOUSES FOR THE ORGANIZATION, THE CITY, THE WORST THING IS HAVE TO TELL ME, AS THE BUILDER TELLING PEOPLE, HEY, WE CAN'T GET YOU IN THIS HOUSE BECAUSE THE CITY DEBT TO INCOME RATIO IS NOT ALLOWING YOU TO GET IN, OR THE FIVE YEAR, ONE OF THE LAND TRANSFER AND TENURE FOR THE, DEHAP CAN'T COME TOGETHER.

SO NOW WE HAVE A CONFLICT OF OF YOU CAN'T GET INTO A HOME, BUT THAT AIN'T GOT APPROVED FROM BANKERS AND SUCH RIGHT HERE AND WHATNOT.

SO MY ISSUE IS SAYING, CAN WE PLEASE GET IT GOING? BECAUSE Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PEOPLE FACES LIKE I DO, AND PEOPLE WHO IS DECREASING OUR TAX BASE FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THE CITY OF DALLAS IS HOPING TO GET A TAX BASE.

IS IS, PREVENTING US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE EQUITY IN THE HOMES FAST ENOUGH AND MOST OF ALL, JUST GIVING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND I THINK IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS WHEN YOU GOT EIGHT, SEVEN, TEN, OTHER NUMBER TEN PEOPLE WHO CAN'T EVEN GET IN THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE AND THEY ALL EITHER PAYING HIGHER MONTH A MONTH RATES ON RENT OR LIVING IN BUDGET SUITES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GOT OUT OF THEIR HOUSE.

AND TOTALLY PEOPLE LIKE, WE'RE MOVING OUT.

AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MUCH STUCK IN THE RAIN.

I HAD TO PAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN HOTELS BECAUSE OF MY CONTRACT, TELLING THEM, HEY, YEAH, WE GOING TO HAVE YOU MOVED IN BY THIS DATE.

BUT THEN THE CITY POLICIES HINDERED THAT.

SO I'M JUST ASKING, CAN WE, TAKE CONSIDERATION OF THE DALLAS RESIDENTS THAT WE TOOK OUT OF THEIR HOMES TO PUT INTO THESE HOMES AND SAY, WE'RE GOING FOR THE CITY, BUT THEN THE CITY COME BACK AND CRIPPLE US.

AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

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APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

I THANK YOU ALL HAVE HEARD, THE WILL OF THIS BODY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR COMING OUT.

I BELIEVE YOU'VE BEEN HEARD.

AND, WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THE ITEM THAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE, THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM UPDATE.

THAT'S IT CHAIR. THANK YOU.

AND WE'RE GOING TO I'M GOING TO GIVE A COUPLE MINUTES TO COUNCIL TO REVIEW THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST GIVEN OUT EARLIER TODAY.

CHAIRMAN MORENO, I'M SO SORRY.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INTERRUPTION, BUT I DON'T THINK COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO US? WE WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT COMMENT.

THANK YOU. IT'S NOT LISTED.

IT'S DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM UPDATE.

LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEMO IS.

SO IN THE AGENDA, WE LIST THAT ITEM AS ONE OF THE ITEMS YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN YOUR AGENDA, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY REPLACED WITH THE LAND TRANSFER MEMO TWICE, ONE IN THE LAND TRANSFER SECTION.

AND THEN IN THIS SECTION THIS IS THE CORRECTED MEMO.

SO WE'RE POSTING IT PUBLICLY SO THAT THE PUBLIC NOW KNOWS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR REQUEST.

AND WE'RE OFFICIALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT PROCESS.

ALL RIGHT. AND WITH THAT WE WILL NOW GO TO OUR OTHER BRIEFING ITEMS. I'LL GO DOWN IN ORDER.

K, ANYONE ON K.

YEAH, I DO HAVE SOMETHING ON IT.

CHAIRMAN WEST. THANKS.

SO ITEM K, THERE WERE SOME LARGE CARRYOVER BALANCES ON SEVERAL PROGRAMS. I GUESS JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL JUST PUT THESE OUT HERE AND THEN, IF YOU CAN RESPOND ON MEMO, THERE ARE SEVERAL LARGE CARRYOVER BALANCES ON SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS. THERE WAS 2.3 MILLION IN FIRST QUARTER REVENUE IN THE IN THE PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WHAT'S BEING USED FOR THAT.

THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM BONUS PROGRAM GENERATED 12.5 MILLION IN FIRST QUARTER REVENUES.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE USING THESE FUNDS.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A STRATEGY THAT COUNCIL OPINES ON BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

SO I IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN REPLY IN MEMO OR IF YOU QUICKLY NOW I GUESS THANK YOU.

WE CAN REPLY IN MEMO.

BUT WE DID BRIEF COMMITTEE IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR ON THE USE OF MDB FUNDS.

I'M HAPPY TO SEND THAT BACK TO YOU AND GIVE AN UPDATE.

THANKS. ITEM L.

M.

N.

O.

P.

LIKE A WHEEL OF FORTUNE.

HERE A Q.

I GOT NOTHING ELSE. OKAY.

R THROUGH Z.

OKAY. MS. MENDELSOHN. ON WHICH ITEM? GO AHEAD. SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.

ARE WE ABLE TO GET MORE VOUCHERS? DO WE KNOW. AND WE DO HAVE TROY, ON THE LINE NOW, I BELIEVE.

IS TROY ON? THERE YOU ARE.

FOR. OKAY.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S THERE, SO IF I CAN MOVE TO ITEM G.

THIS IS OHS CONTINUUM OF CARE SHELTER BED PROGRAM UPDATE.

AND MY QUESTION IS YOU'VE LISTED PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING ON HERE, BUT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS NOT ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A SHELTER BED.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? IS THAT TROY? TROY, IF YOU CAN, PLEASE.

IF I'M BEING HEARD. HEY, TROY.

IF YOU CAN TURN YOUR VIDEO ON, PLEASE.

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YES, TROY, GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE.

SO IF I CAN MOVE TO ITEM G.

THIS IS OHS CONTINUING CARE SHELTER PROGRAM UPDATE.

HEY, TROY, TURN OFF. YOUR OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU'VE LISTED PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

TROY, I THINK YOU HAVE A DEVICE ON THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY CONSIDERED A SHELTER BED.

THERE YOU GO. OKAY, THERE WE GO.

TROY. YOU CAN LEAVE.

IF WE CAN MUTE THE ONLINE FOR A QUICK MINUTE AND THEN HAVE CHRISTINE GO AHEAD.

YES. THIS IS HIM RIGHT NOW.

THE. SO, YES, IT'S SHELTER BEDS, BUT BECAUSE IT COMES FROM THE LARGER COUNT, WE LEFT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING ON THERE AS WELL.

JUST TO GIVE A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW.

BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE THAT OFF.

OKAY, WELL, I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT PROPERLY, IS ADDRESSING SHELTER BEDS WHEN IT SAYS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

BECAUSE THEY ARE STABLY HOUSED.

AND SO, I MEAN, I DIDN'T I JUST THINK THE TABLES A LITTLE BIT WEIRD IN TERMS OF THE VARIOUS KINDS OF SHELTERING.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDS ARE IN DALLAS? I DON'T HAVE A TOTAL ON HERE.

WHICH I'M NOW NOTING.

SO LET ME REMOVE THOSE PUSH, PUT A TOTAL ON HERE AND SEND THIS BACK FOR YOU.

SO IF YOU COULD DO IT SO YOU HAVE AN ACRONYM KEY AT THE BOTTOM, IF YOU COULD MAYBE DO IT BY ACRONYM KEY.

RIGHT. SO IF IT SAYS HOW MANY ARE EMERGENCY SHELTER HOW MANY YOUTH SHELTER.

AND THEN YOU HAVE GRANT AND PER DIEM ON HERE, WHICH I THINK IS YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW THE 50 FROM THE BRIDGE.

BUT I DIDN'T SEE ON THE LIST WHERE THAT WAS LOCATED.

SO ACTUALLY WHEN I LOOK AT THAT ACRONYM OF GPD, I DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE IN HERE.

AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT IS ADDED IN BECAUSE, YEAH, IT'S I DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE IN HERE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS JUST FOR THE PAY TO STAY MATS AT THE BRIDGE.

BUT SINCE IT'S NOT NOTED, WE'LL ADD THAT TO.

OKAY. AND SO I DIDN'T KNOW.

I MEAN THEY HAVE I MEAN BECAUSE YOU'RE SHOWING 100 EMERGENCY SERVICE AND THEN 100 TRANSITIONAL.

IS THAT RIGHT? NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT BTS IS.

IS SUPPOSED TO BE. IT'S OKAY BECAUSE I'M ALSO SEEING.

YEAH. SO IT'S TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

YEAH I THINK THE PTS SHOULD BE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AS WELL.

AND I'M SEEING IT FOR SALVATION ARMY TOO.

SO WE HAVE WE DO HAVE THE GDP, SALVATION ARMY BRIDGE HOUSING AND CLINICAL TREATMENT.

BUT WE'LL NEED TO DIG INTO THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GET THE SPECIFIC MATH ON WHAT THAT BREAKS DOWN TO.

WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

OKAY. SO I'M SORRY I DON'T SEE WHERE IT SAYS SALVATION ARMY.

IT'S DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST, LIST PAGE.

AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SALVATION ARMY ONES RIGHT UNDER PROMISE HOUSE.

AND THEN THE LAST TWO SAY GPD BRIDGE HOUSING AND CLINICAL TREATMENT.

OKAY. BUT THEN IT SAYS IT'S TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

YES. SO IT WOULD BE.

SO IT'S TRANSITIONAL BUT YOU'RE PAYING THEM PER DIEM.

YES. AND SO I CAN GET THE SPECIFIC BREAKOUT ON THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION OURSELVES.

WE CAN GET IT FROM THEM.

AND THEN OF COURSE ON THE NEXT PAGE, UNION GOSPEL MISSION, ALSO HAS GPD BRIDGE HOUSING PROGRAM.

AND IS THAT THE CITY'S PAYING THEM PER DIEM OR ANYBODY OR ANY GRANTS? IS PAYING THEM PER DIEM? IT'S DEFINITELY NOT CITY SPECIFIC.

BEYOND THAT, I NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY. SO OKAY, SO IF YOU COULD MAYBE JUST ADD IN ANOTHER TABLE THAT LISTS THE, THE TYPE OF SHELTERING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

OKAY. SO THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION ON THAT.

AND THEN FOR TROY IS TROY BACK? TROY, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, I THINK I FINALLY HAVE GOTTEN THIS FIGURED OUT.

HI. SO, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY ON YOUR BOARD WHO TOLD ME THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS A WAY TO GET MORE VOUCHERS IF WE DID SOMETHING, BUT THERE WASN'T DOLLARS FOR YOU TO DEVELOP MORE HOUSING.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FILL IN ON THAT, IF THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE.

SO OF COURSE WE'RE.

WELL, ONE, LET ME APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING TECHNOLOGY SAVVY AND NOT BEING ABLE TO TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY IS FUNDED BY OUR FEDERAL SPONSORING AGENCY, WHICH IS THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

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AS AN EXAMPLE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS PROVIDED, VOUCHERS FOR OUR VETERANS, AND IT'S CALLED THE VASH PROGRAM.

SO WE, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE VA AS AN EXAMPLE, COMPETE FOR VOUCHERS UNDER THAT FUNDING TREE.

THERE AREN'T CURRENTLY FUNDING STREAMS AVAILABLE FOR NEW VOUCHERS, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IS SUPPLYING SOME OF OUR CURRENT ALLOCATION FOR PEOPLE WITH SPECIFIC DISABILITY TYPES AND FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION.

SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A SOLICITATION OUT, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPERS AND PROVIDERS THAT ARE WORKING FOR UNITS IN OUR HOMELESS SPACE WITH PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

SO A LONG WINDED WAY OF SAYING WE HAVE SOME FUNDING, BUT IT'S WITHIN OUR CURRENT, BUDGET AUTHORITY.

IT'S NOT NEW FUNDING COMING IN.

OKAY. SO IN YOUR MEMO THAT YOU SENT TO CHAIR MORENO, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S 55,000 PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE SERVING THROUGH YOUR VOUCHERS.

AND OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE ANYWHERE EVEN BEYOND DALLAS COUNTY, THAT THEY COULD USE THAT VOUCHER.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO WE SERVE SEVEN COUNTIES.

SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD TELL US HOW MANY VOUCHERS.

NOT NECESSARILY PEOPLE, BUT HOW MANY VOUCHERS ARE BEING USED RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I'D HAVE TO GET THAT TO YOU IN A SEPARATE REPORT.

OUR TOTAL PROGRAM SIZE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 16,000 FAMILIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE VOUCHER PROGRAM.

AS I WAS MENTIONING, WE SERVICE SEVEN COUNTIES I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME THE BREAK OUT BY COUNTY OR CITY.

OKAY. JURISDICTION.

BUT I CAN GET THAT TO YOU.

SO IF WE COULD GET BOTH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING SERVED BY THE VOUCHER, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THEN JUST THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL VOUCHERS, BECAUSE, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, MANY HAVE LARGE FAMILY SIZES.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND THEN, CHAIR, IF WE COULD ASK THE SAME QUESTION FOR PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THERE'S QUITE A FEW PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY VOUCHERS THAT I KNOW ARE BEING USED IN DISTRICT 12.

NOT SURE IF THERE'S OTHER, HOUSING AUTHORITIES THAT HAVE A LARGE PRESENCE IN DALLAS.

ARE YOU AWARE, TROY, OF OTHERS? SO YOU'LL HAVE A NUMBER OF HOUSING AUTHORITIES LIKE DALLAS COUNTY WHO ALSO HAVE VOUCHER HOLDERS? PLANO. DENTON.

THERE MAY EVEN BE SOME FROM TARRANT COUNTY, AND FORT WORTH HOUSING AUTHORITY.

SO, TYPICALLY WHAT HOUSING AUTHORITIES DO, IS OPERATE WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITY IN WHICH THEY WERE CREATED.

BUT BECAUSE WE ARE OPERATING IN SEVEN COUNTIES, OTHER HOUSING AUTHORITIES ALSO MAY HAVE PARTICIPANTS PARTICIPATING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS PROPER.

YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE DENTON HOUSING AUTHORITY, LIKE LITERALLY WE HAVE DENTON COUNTY PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME THERE TOO.

OKAY. GREAT. THAT'S THAT'S VERY GOOD.

THOSE WERE THE QUESTIONS I HAD FOR YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD WORK.

I KNOW YOU KEEP GOING AFTER MORE MONEY, AND WE NEED YOU TO KEEP DOING THAT.

YES, WE WILL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND ADVOCACY.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT SPACE, AND SO WE'RE GLAD TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY WHERE WE CAN IN THIS INITIATIVE AND PROVIDE OUR HOMELESS CITIZENS, AS WELL AS OUR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES THAT RESIDE IN THE CITY WITH MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.

THANK YOU. CHAIR, MY NEXT QUESTION WAS ON AN ITEM I ON THE LAND BANK, AND MY ONLY QUESTION ON THAT WAS, IS THERE A STRATEGY INSTEAD OF JUST ACQUIRING PROPERTY, IF WE COULD USE PROPERTY THE CITY ALREADY OWNS? GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS DARREN WADE, ASSISTANT HOUSING DIRECTOR.

IS THERE A STRATEGY FOR ACQUIRING PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS FOR THE LAND BANK? I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A STRATEGY AS OF TODAY.

HOWEVER, WE DO KNOW THAT WE DO PURCHASE THOSE LOTS THROUGH THE CORPORATION, THE LAND BANK CORPORATION, AND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO.

I HAVE MY DIRECTOR. SHE CAN ALSO OPINE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO AS A AS A ADDITIONAL STRATEGY.

SO CERTAINLY WE CAN ACQUIRE PROPERTY AS WE NEED, YOU KNOW, AS WE TYPICALLY DO.

WE'RE NOT GOOD STEWARDS OF MANAGING OUR OWN PROPERTY FOR HOUSING PURPOSES, WHICH IS WHY WE TYPICALLY PARTNER WITH

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DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? WE CAN ACQUIRE PROPERTY.

AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THAT LEGALLY.

AND WE'VE LOOKED AT MANY OF THOSE WAYS, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE HAMPDEN PROPERTY AND THE FORT WORTH AVENUE PROPERTY.

SO WE CERTAINLY CAN.

WE JUST DON'T DO THAT.

WE DON'T WE DON'T MANAGE THAT WELL.

SO WE LIKE TO WE LIKE TO HAVE PARTNERS TO DO THAT WITH.

OKAY. WELL, I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT PROPERTY.

WE ALREADY HAVE TO SEE IF IT COULDN'T BE LAND BANKED.

OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. SO I WANT TO GO TO PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE, I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M SORRY.

COUNCILWOMAN. ONE MORE QUESTION TO YOUR LAST QUESTION.

ARE YOU SAYING LOOK AT PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OWNS IN GENERAL? OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT.

YES, MA'AM. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.

UNDERSTOOD. SO, THIS, QUARTERLY PERFORMANCE MEASURE REPORT THAT YOU'VE CHANGED IS WAY BETTER.

I LOVE IT, IT'S SO MUCH BETTER.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

IT'S A LOT EASIER TO TAKE A LOOK.

SNAPSHOT NUMBERS RATHER THAN READING A LOT OF NARRATIVE.

OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET, LIKE, A YEAR END REPORT FROM 23? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE TRYING TO START WITH FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK SO THAT WE CAN SEE? I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GOOD STORY TO TELL HERE.

AND SO INSTEAD OF DOING IT MAYBE QUARTERLY, IF IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL THIS FROM DATA SOURCES, INSTEAD OF DOING SOME SORT OF CRAZY MANUAL PROCESS, I KNOW I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.

AND I MEAN, AND IF IT'S EASY ENOUGH, THEN 22 AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOW SOME REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS.

SO YES, MA'AM.

GOOD JOB ON THAT.

THANK YOU. AND THEN MY LAST ITEM WAS FOR L WHICH ALREADY HAD THAT ONE.

OKAY. SORRY, SORRY I HAD TO STEP OUT FOR THAT CALL.

SO THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT FOR HOUSING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT IT INCLUDE A CONTRACT AMENDMENT THAT SAYS THAT THEY MUST REPORT HMMIS SYSTEM WIDE DATA.

SO NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO ANY INDIVIDUAL, BUT.

I REALLY HAVE TO SAY THAT WHEN WE HAVE FUNDED SO MUCH FROM HOUSING FORWARD, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA AS A SYSTEM, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK FOR TRANSPARENCY FOR THE ENTIRE CITY AND OR REGION, THEY OUGHT TO BE PRODUCING SYSTEM WIDE DATA, NOT CHERRY PICKED FROM A POINT IN TIME COUNT, BUT REGULAR, ONGOING METRICS THAT ARE NOT REVEALING ANYBODY'S PERSONAL INFORMATION, BUT SHOWING HOW THE SYSTEM IS PERFORMING THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE HOMELESS THAT THEY HAVE.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT.

SO I KNOW THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED SEVERAL TIMES BY SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND SO IF THERE I'M NOT SURE WHY THE REASON IT'S NOT BEING PROVIDED, BUT IF THERE ARE SOME LEGAL REASONS OR OTHERS, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW. BUT WITH THAT, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TIM COLBERT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CHAIR MORENO. AND TO VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN, WE WILL DEFINITELY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HOUSING FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TYPE OF DATA AND HAVE IT IN THAT TRANSPARENT FORMAT. I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'VE CONTINUED TO DO THE QUARTERLY UPDATES IS SO HOUSING FORWARD IS ACTUALLY HERE WHERE THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT FROM A TRANSPARENCY STANDPOINT, WE DO NOT DISAGREE.

AND WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN COME BACK WITH THE ANSWERS AROUND WHAT THEY CAN PROVIDE, WHETHER IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE OR THROUGH THE DASHBOARD THAT I CURRENTLY KNOW IS OUT THERE.

THAT PROVIDES THE DETAILS AROUND THE RAPID REHOUSING.

SO WE'LL DEFINITELY WORK THROUGH THAT.

THANK YOU. THE ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR WEBSITE, WHICH I HAVE REVIEWED MULTIPLE TIMES, ARE NOT THE DATA I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND SO THE DATA IS PARTIALLY ABOUT JUST THE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM AND PARTIALLY ABOUT THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.

BUT IT'S NOT SYSTEM DATA, RIGHT.

SO I KNOW I HAVE ASKED FOR THAT DATA SEPARATELY, ASKED FIVE QUESTIONS AND THEY DID GIVE IT TO ME.

BUT THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PUBLIC DATA.

AND, YOU KNOW, I ONLY ASKED FIVE QUESTIONS SO THAT NOBODY WOULD FREAK OUT.

I PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER.

GROUPING TO GO.

BUT THIS DATA BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE.

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SO TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE TRANSPARENCY, AGAIN, NOT LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL LEVEL DATA, LOOKING MUCH HIGHER UP IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS, IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO REQUIRE OF THEM.

AND SO, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED INTO THE CONTRACT, BUT, LET'S SEE WHERE THIS CONVERSATION GOES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND CHAIR, THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION TODAY.

OKAY. THAT COMPLETES THE, BRIEFINGS BY MEMO.

UP NEXT WE HAVE OUR FORECASTED AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY. AND WITH THAT THE TIME IS NOW.

1146 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.