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GOOD EVENING.

[Citizen Homeless Commission on January 11, 2024.]

TODAY IS JANUARY THE 11TH, 2024.

MY NAME IS RENITA GRIGGS, BOARD COORDINATOR OF THE CITIZENS HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION BOARD.

PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THIS MEETING WILL NOW BE RECORDED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, RENITA.

UH, DO WE HAVE A QUARREL, UH, CHAIR? VICE CHAIR.

LET ME GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE TO YOU STITA MCFADDEN, WHO'S THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UH, ATTORNEY MCFADDEN.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD.

UH, THIS IS STEVEN MCFADDEN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

AND, UH, I DON'T WANNA STEP ON ANYONE'S TOES, BUT IT'S PART OF MY DUTIES TO INFORM YOU THAT YOUR CHAIR HAS RESIGNED FROM HIS POSITION.

UH, ACCORDING TO THE RULES THAT YOU ARE GOVERNED BY, YOU WILL THE VICE, YOU HAVE A VICE CHAIR WHO WILL SERVE AS THE CHAIR IN HIS ABSENCE UP UNTIL THE TIME THAT A CHAIR IS APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD, UH, IN ABSENCE OF A VICE CHAIR, THAT'S WHEN YOU ALL WILL, AMONG, AMONG, WOULD, UH, NOMINATE SOMEONE TO BE THE CHAIR FOR THE MEET FOR THAT PARTICULAR MEETING.

AND, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT ITEM FOR RIGHT NOW.

WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ATTORNEY MCFADDEN COMMISSIONERS.

YOU MAY ADDRESS THE CHAIR TODAY.

LETICIA OWENS, WHO IS THE VICE CHAIR AS MADAM VICE CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

YOU MAY MOVE FORWARD.

VICE CHAIR.

MADAM VICE CHAIR OWENS.

THANK YOU.

RENITA.

CAN WE CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER? DO WE HAVE A FORUM? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE FOR THE RECORDS? YES.

YES.

COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING YOUR CAMERAS ON FACE VIEW.

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT YOU'RE PRESENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ROLL CALL WILL BEGIN NOW WITH DISTRICT ONE.

COMMISSIONER KEYS HERE.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER GARNER.

PRESENT CITY HALL.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT THREE.

MADAM VICE CHAIR OWENS PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT FOUR, COMMISSIONER ALC.

PRESENT CITY HALL.

THANK YOU.

THIS DISTRICT FIVE.

COMMISSIONER SANTOS CITY HALL.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT SIX.

COMMISSIONER FLORES, DISTRICT SEVEN.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

THE DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, CHAIR POSITION IS VACANT.

DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER REVEREND BO.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER.

DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER SHELLEN.

DISTRICT 11.

COMMISSIONER CLARKIN HALL.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 12.

COMMISSIONER JACOB.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER SHAN.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

ON A 15 MEMBER BOARD, YOU HAVE THREE VACANT.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

DISTRICT 13.

DISTRICT 15.

UH, MADAM VICE CHAIR.

ORANGE.

YOU HAVE A QUORUM.

YOU MAY PROCEED.

THANK YOU.

RENITA.

UH, AT THIS TIME, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

THERE'S NO REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKER.

OKAY.

COULD WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES? ANYONE SHOULD MOTION APPROVAL OF MINUTES? MOVE TO APPROVE GARNER.

GARNER.

MOVE TO APPROVE.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL TAKE THAT.

.

SANTOS.

SECOND THOSE.

THANK YOU.

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IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE RIGHT ON COURT OF ORDER.

OH, ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS OPPOSED TO APPROVING OF THE MINUTES? I'M SORRY.

AND IF NOT, LET'S GET A UNANIMOUS VOTE PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

ANY A'S OR NAYS? ALL IN FAVOR TO WE WE HAVE A MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL IN ANY DISAGREEMENT? OKAY.

THE AYES HAVE IT.

NEXT ITEM.

THANK.

OKAY.

THE NEXT ITEM IS THE PRESENTATION ON THE TEMPORARY HOUSING PILOT UPDATE.

HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING STRATEGY PRESENTED BY, WELL, ACTUALLY, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE MOVING THINGS AROUND DUE TO, UH, A MOVEMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

WE'RE MOVING.

UM, NUMBER FIVE, UP TO NUMBER THREE.

CHRISTINE IS GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE FLOOR TO TALK ABOUT THE OFFICE OF HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS AGENDA, CONTRACT FORECAST.

SO WE'RE GONNA INTRODUCE, UH, CHRISTINE CROSSLEY.

AND THIS IS WHAT I ASK OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND START AS SHE'S COMMUNICATING, TAKING NOTES AND QUESTIONS, BECAUSE AFTER SHE FINISHES, WE'LL HAVE ONE MINUTE TO GIVE AROUND ON WHAT, ANY QUESTIONS AT THAT POINT.

SO IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD WHILE SHE'S TALKING RIGHT NOW.

ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? GOOD AFTERNOON.

CHRISTINE CROSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.

THANK YOU.

CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

UM, THIS ITEM IS ALSO GOING TO BE CO-PRESENTED BY OUR, UM, INTERIM CEO FOR HOUSING BOARD SARAH KHAN.

SHE IS LITERALLY WALKING INTO THIS ROOM ANY MINUTE THEY GOT STUCK IN TRAFFIC.

SO SHE'LL COME SIT DOWN AND THEN I'LL HAVE HER INTRODUCE HERSELF.

UM, DOES EVERYONE HAVE THE, THIS IS, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE MEM OR THIS IS ABOUT THE MEMORANDUM.

OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.

SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND YES, I REALIZE IT SAYS COMMITTEE NOT COMMISSION.

OH, NO.

OKAY.

I LOOKED AT THAT AND I WAS LIKE, OH.

FOR COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS? I I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM ONE.

ON, OH, I WAS GONNA GO OVER IT AND THEN, OH, OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

QUESTIONS DO WE OR, OR I CAN JUST, IF EVERYONE'S HAD TIME TO READ IT, I JUST WANTED TO THAT'S JUST IT.

OH, I'M SORRY.

VICE CHAIR? YES.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONER JACOB.

THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA BRING UP IS THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD THIS PROBABLY LESS THAN AN HOUR, SO IT HASN'T HAD ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW YET.

SO WE CAN I CAN DO A VERY QUICK PRESENTATION.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS PLANNING ON.

ANYWAY.

OKAY.

YES, YES.

I WAS REQUESTING THE REVIEW.

I WAS JUST LETTING EVERYONE KNOW TO GO AHEAD AND AS SHE'S TALKING, TAKE DOWN YOUR QUESTIONS.

'CAUSE YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE A MINUTE WHEN SHE'S DONE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO, UM, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN TO THE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

IT COMES FROM, UM, AN ITEM THAT WENT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 13TH.

UM, THAT WAS TO WHICH, UH, SHOULD BE IN THE PRIOR ACTIONS.

AND IT'S NOT.

UM, BUT BASICALLY THE, THIS OVERVIEW OF THE ITEM IS THAT THIS WAS, UM, FUNDING THAT IS LEFT OVER FROM THE ORIGINAL DALLAS REAL-TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

WE BUDGETED VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVELY.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT SPEAK .

AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE SARAH KAHN.

INTERIM CEO FOR HOUSING BOARD.

HI EVERYBODY.

THE TRAFFIC WAS CRAZY GETTING INTO THE CITY.

WELCOME.

WELCOME.

I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE MISSED AN INVITE TO SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT .

MAYBE WE ALL MISSED IT.

.

UM, I WAS JUST GOING OVER THE BEGINNING OF THE MEMO.

SO THE MEMO IS, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THIS EXCESS FUNDING THAT WE HAVE FROM, UH, BUDGETING VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVELY FOR THE DALLAS REAL-TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

UM, WE HAD LEFTOVER FUNDING THAT WE COULD ROLL INTO THE NEW ITERATION OF THE PROGRAM.

REAL-TIME DALLAS, REAL-TIME REHOUSING, OR REAL-TIME REHOUSING THAT'S GOING TO HOUSE CUMULATIVE 6,000 INDIVIDUALS BY THE END OF 2025.

OUR ORIGINAL GOAL WAS OVER 2,700 INDIVIDUALS BY DECEMBER OF 2023.

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WE MET THAT GOAL BY OCTOBER, AND AS OF NOW, WE'RE OVER 2,900 HOUSED.

UM, AND WELL OVER 3000 ENROLLED.

SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE THIS, UH, AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN ROLL OVER.

IT'S ICING ON THE CAKE, UM, OF THE FUNDING THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING.

ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS MEMO, UH, ORIGINALLY WHEN THE NOTICE TO ADVERTISE, BECAUSE IT'S ARPA FUNDING, SO AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDING HAS TO BE, THE CHANGE HAS TO BE ADVERTISED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 30 DAYS.

AND SO THE APPROVAL TO INITIATE THAT WAS DONE BY CITY COUNCIL IN DECEMBER.

AND THAT SET UP TO 5 MILLION SINCE THEN.

UM, AND SINCE THE ORIGINAL BRIEFING TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, WHO HAS TO APPROVE ANYTHING THAT'S ARPA BASED, I PRESENTED TO THEM WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL D-R-T-R-R PRESENTATION IN OCTOBER OF 2021, A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

SO IT ALL GOES THROUGH THEM.

UM, ORIGINALLY WE PRESENTED UP TO 5 MILLION.

SINCE THEN, HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, UH, REALLY LOOK AT SOME NEW DATA THAT'S COMING OUT.

RENTAL PRICES ARE GOING UP.

UM, WE'RE SEEING SOME DIFFERENT NEEDS.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH DHA AND HOUSING BOARD AND REALLY HONE IN ON THE FACT THAT WE ACTUALLY ONLY NEED ABOUT TWO UP TO 2.5 MILLION.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH HERE IS JUST SOME FRAMING OF THE ORIGINAL DALLAS REAL-TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE, JUST A REFRESHER.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO INTO FROM THERE IS A SPECIFIC BREAKDOWN, WHICH THIS IS NEW, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS, BEING ABLE TO SHARE, UM, THE COST TO USE THIS PROGRAM TO HOUSE SOMEONE VERSUS THE COST OF NOT DOING ANYTHING, UM, WHICH IS COST OF HOMELESSNESS.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO FURTHER BREAK IT DOWN INTO THE AVERAGE COST PER CAPITA A PERSON IN THE PROGRAM.

SO, UH, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A PROJECTION ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT.

UM, YOU'LL NOTICE IN HERE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS, UH, WE'RE COMING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 24TH.

WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO IS HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING COME BACK BECAUSE IT HAS TWO 30 DAYS LATER.

AND THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL KEEP IT OPEN UNTIL FEBRUARY 28TH WHEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH A SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT WE WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO APPROVE FOR DHA TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO HOUSING FORWARD.

SO WE'RE MOVING MONEY FROM RENTAL ASSISTANCE, WHICH WE DON'T NEED.

WE HAVE ENOUGH OVER TO SOME SUPPORTIVE SERVICES TO BALANCE THEM OUT.

UM, WHAT WE NEED THAT EXTRA TIME FOR IS WE WANTED MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THE, UH, UPDATED DATA TRENDS AND REALLY HONE IN ON WHAT OF THAT 2.5 DO WE ACTUALLY NEED.

SO WITH THAT, UM, I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO SARAH KHAN.

HEY EVERYBODY.

NICE TO BE HERE WITH YOU, UM, AND TO WORK WITH YOU, OBVIOUSLY IN THIS NEW CAPACITY.

SO I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STORY TO TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE.

OBVIOUSLY THIS SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE TASK, BUT I THINK WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITY IS WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THIS PROGRAM OVERALL, UM, AND WHAT'S THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR IT? AND SO I'D LIKE TO START THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE COMMITMENT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE COUNTY AND CITIES ACROSS, UM, BOTH COUNTIES, WE WERE ABLE TO COMBINE FUNDS IN THIS COLLABORATIVE FUNDING MODEL AND REALLY FUEL A LOT OF THE TRANSFORMATIVE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT IN PLACE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.

AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS JUST IN THE FIRST YEAR OF IMPLEMENTING THAT PROGRAM, UM, THAT INITIATIVE AND THAT TRANSFORMATIVE WAY OF DELIVERING HOMELESS RES RESPONDING TO HOMELESSNESS RESULTED IN, UM, OVER ONE YEAR, A 14% REDUCTION IN UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS.

A 32% REDUCTION IN CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS.

IT, UH, BROUGHT ON 80 PLUS CASE MANAGERS AND HOUSING NAVIGATORS TO WHERE WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOUSING PEOPLE AT A RATE THAT WE HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO BEFORE.

UH, WE SAW 160% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE'RE HOUSING EACH MONTH, SO ABOUT 210 HOUSING PLACEMENTS VERSUS 85 BEFORE WE STARTED SYSTEM TRANSFORMATION.

SO THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY, VERY, UM, PIVOTAL TO THOSE RESULTS.

RIGHT? BUT AS YOU KNOW, LIKE HOMELESSNESS IS STILL A TOP PUBLIC ISSUE.

WE'RE NOT GOING FAST ENOUGH.

WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANNA GO FASTER.

WE ALL WANNA DO MORE.

WE HAVE A LOT MORE WORK TO DO.

AND I THINK, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT PROGRESS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SECURE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR DIVERSION AND FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

SO TWO NEW PATHWAYS OUT OF, OUT OF HOMELESSNESS.

UM, WITH THE RAPID REHOUSING FUNDING THAT DALLAS REALTIME WENT, WENT TO, WE WERE ABLE TO HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AS CHRISTINE SAID, WITH RAPID REHOUSING, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HOUSE NOW 2,900 PEOPLE.

UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WE SEE THESE RESOURCES, UM, SORT OF STARTING TO RAMP DOWN,

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IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE SEEING THOSE LARGE REDUCTIONS IN UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS, I THINK NOW IS IS THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO ALIGN DOLLARS TO THAT.

AND SO THIS SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT IS A SHORT-TERM GAIN WHERE WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND WE CAN REBALANCE THE FUNDING TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL SLOTS.

UM, BUT I THINK IF WE WANNA KEEP HOUSING AT THE PACE THAT WE'RE HOUSING NOW, WE ALSO NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE LONG-TERM.

ARE THERE OTHER, UM, COUNTY OR CITY, UH, RESOURCES THAT CAN CON CONTINUE TO BE ALIGNED TO THIS? SO HOUSING FORWARD IS ALSO WORKING WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A MODEL.

THE MODEL'S WORKING.

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT MORE WORK TO DO.

UM, THIS EXTENT, THIS EXTENSION ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE IN THE SHORT TERM, BUT WHAT IS OUR KIND OF LONG-TERM PLAN FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE FUELING THIS MODEL THAT HAS, HAS PROVEN TO WORK.

SO WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THIS COMMISSION AND WITH THE CITY TO, UM, MONITOR, YOU KNOW, THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING AND, AND TO CONTINUE TO, UM, TO, TO SCALE HOUSING PLACEMENTS IN THE, INTO THE FUTURE.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MS. KAHN.

APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, I'M GONNA GO EACH OF YOU TWO MINUTES FOR ANY DISCUSSION.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS ANY STARTING OFF? OH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER JACOB.

GO RIGHT AHEAD.

THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UH, JUST, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE CONTRACT ITSELF, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT, UH, THAT IS A SINGLE SOURCE CONTRACT, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WE HAVE, UM, TWO CONTRACTS E EXISTING WITH, UH, HOUSING FORD FOR TWO FUNDING STREAMS, AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S ARPA AND COUNTY TREASURY ARPA.

AND THEN WE HAVE THREE CONTRACTS WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, UH, ESG, UH, ARPA, HUD HOME, AND THE TREASURY ARPA.

SO WITH RESPECT TO THAT SPECIFIC CONTRACT THOUGH, WAS THERE EVER ANY CONSIDERATION ON OPENING THAT UP WITH IT VIA AN RFP SO THAT, UH, FUNDING CAN BE GIVEN DIRECTLY TO SELECTED PROVIDERS RATHER THAN FROM THAT SINGLE ENTITY? SO WE DO, WE DID, YEAH.

I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

'CAUSE WE DID RUN A FULL PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

WE, WE OPENED IT UP FOR RFP AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED 16 SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT THEN HOUSING FORWARD CONTRACTS WITH DIRECTLY.

SO WE'RE NEV WE'RE NOT A SERVICE PROVIDER AND, AND NEVER INTERESTED IN GETTING INTO THE BUSINESS OF PROVIDING SERVICES DIRECTLY.

BUT AS THE LEAD AGENCY, WE CAN PROVIDE BACKBONE SUPPORT TO THE SECTOR BY TAKING ON SOME OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES AND THEN CONTRACTING WITH THE CASE MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT AGENCIES.

YEAH, I MEAN, FOR BETTER, FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, IT LOOKS LIKE HOUSING FORWARD IN SOME RESPECTS HERE IS KIND OF A PASS THROUGH AGENCY YES.

GETTING THE FUNDS FROM THE CITY AND THEN DOLING IT OUT TO THE PROVIDERS.

WHY IS THERE THE, THE NEED I GUESS, FOR THAT PASS THROUGH? SO THE, THE REASON FOR THAT FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE IS WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THIS TO BEGIN WITH, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE, DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY CAN DO THAT.

THEY CREATED A PLATFORM FOR IT.

BUT FOR CASE MANAGEMENT AND THE, UH, WORKING WITH THE HOUSING VOUCHERS, YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN WORK WITH ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE CONTINUUM OF CARE MULTIPLE, UH, WHICH HAD CONTRIBUTED VOUCHERS AND RESOURCES.

AND WITH ALL OF THE CASE MANAGEMENT AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES WITHIN THE COC DALLAS IS CONSTRAINED BY OBVIOUSLY OUR GEOGRAPHIC LIMITS AND HOUSING FORWARD HAD ALREADY GONE OUT AND SIGNED A LOT OF MEMORANDUMS OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE DIFFERENT CITIES TO SECURE THE VOUCHERS.

AND SO PUTTING ALL OF THAT INTO, UM, ONE PLACE WE WORKED WITH THE ATTORNEYS WHO SAID, YES, WE DO AGREE THAT REALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE ENTITY WITHIN OUR GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION THAT COULD DO THIS AND WORK AS THIS CONNECTIVE TISSUE TO PULL ALL THE POINTS TOGETHER, WHICH IS WHAT THE C'S LEAD AGENCY IS SUPPOSED TO DO, THAT'S THEIR JOB AS THAT LEAD AGENCY.

AND SO THAT LEGAL OPINION OF BEING A SOLE SOURCE IS WHY WE WERE ABLE TO LEGALLY GIVE THAT FUNDING WITH CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUS APPROVAL TO HOUSING FORD.

AND SO THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF THAT SAME CONTRACT.

I, I GUESS, DO I HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO THAT? SORRY, I DIDN'T.

YES.

OKAY.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS LIKE WE'RE WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION, THE CONTINUUM OF SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THAT CONTINUUM OF SERVICE PROVIDERS HAS WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO CO-DESIGN PROGRAM MODELS, TO SET PERFORMANCE EXPECTATIONS, TO REALLY START TO DEFINE AND STANDARDIZE THE WAY WE DELIVER SERVICES, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'VE HAD SUCH A BIG IMPACT BECAUSE EVERYONE'S ROWING THE SAME DIRECTION.

AND SO WHEN HOUSING FORWARD IS THE FINANCIAL INTERMEDIARY FOR FUNDS, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROCUREMENTS ARE BASED ON THOSE STANDARD PROGRAM MODELS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SET AND FUND TO THOSE THINGS AS

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PART OF THE BROADER STRATEGY FOR IMPACTING HOMELESSNESS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JACOB, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? RENITA? IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE TO OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME? PLEASE SPEAK NOW.

THANK YOU.

THERE IS NOT A SECOND ROUND FOR THIS ONE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE CAN SEND THEM TO RENITA AND SHE WILL FORWARD THEM ON, BUT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON NEXT SUBJECT, IF THERE'S NOT ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO.

ANOTHER QUESTION.

OKAY.

WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

UH, CHRISTINE CROSSLEY WITH THE TEMPORARY HOUSING PILOT UPDATE.

OH, YOU STILL HAD TWO MORE? DID YOU STILL HAVE TWO MORE THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ON THE LAST ONE? SO GO RIGHT AHEAD ON THE, UH, NO, THAT ONE WAS DONE.

I HAVE THE TEMPORARY HOUSING PILOT UPDATE AND THE AGENDA.

OH, THE AGENDA FORECAST.

THAT'S RIGHT, YES.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO THE SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA FORECAST THAT'S GONNA COME UP, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED ON THE 24TH FROM CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN THAT ACTUALLY WILL THEN AUTHORIZE THE FUNDING TO GO TO A, UH, OH.

NOPE, THIS IS, HOLD ON, LET ME READ THIS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

I WAS LOOKING FOR A NUMBER THAT I DIDN'T SEE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN HERE.

SO, UM, THE SECOND ONE IS NOT THE SAME PROGRAM.

THE SECOND ONE IS, UM, YOU WILL RECALL PERHAPS THAT WE HAD FUNDING APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR TO ALLOW 16 ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME, EMPLOYEE STREET OUTREACH, UM, MEMBERS TO BE HIRED TO BE FUNDED THROUGH THE HOMELESS SYSTEM SO THAT THEY CAN BE HIRED EXTERNALLY.

SO THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING HIRED BY OHS, UM, THEY'RE BEING HIRED, UM, BY THE LOCAL SYSTEM, UH, SYSTEM PROVIDERS.

AND, UH, THAT IS GOING TO BE SOLE SOURCED THROUGH HOUSING FORD IN ORDER TO HAVE THEM DO A COMPETITIVE PROCESS FOR, UM, ALL OF THE NONPROFITS.

THE REASON FOR THAT, AND SO THAT FINANCING, UH, WAS THAT MONEY WAS SET ASIDE AND THE CONTRACT IS COMING FOR, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL ON THE 24TH.

UM, AND I CAN GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

I JUST WANNA STICK WITH THE FORECAST AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO IT.

UM, BUT THE VERY QUICK REASON FOR THAT IS WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET HEARINGS, UH, IS THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THIS NEW FUNDING FOR THE REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

WE HAVE 480 ADDITIONAL VOUCHER SLOTS.

AND THE MONEY THAT CAME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, 22.8 MILLION WAS FOR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES AND CASE MANAGEMENT, BUT IT WAS NOT FOR STREET OUTREACH.

SO IF WE DON'T, IF WE DIDN'T SCALE UP THE STREET OUTREACH, THEN WE COULDN'T REALLY EFFECTIVELY GET PEOPLE CONNECTED TO THOSE VOUCHERS IN A WAY THAT WAS TIME SENSITIVE.

AND WE CAN'T, UH, DECOMMISSION MORE ENCAMPMENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, UH, CEO SARAH KHAN FOR HOUSING BOARD TALKED ABOUT, WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO MORE AND MOVE MORE QUICKLY.

AND SO HAVING THESE 16 STREET OUTREACH WORKERS TO HELP SCALE THE SYSTEM FOR OUR HOMELESSNESS SERVICE PROVIDERS MEANS WE CAN, UM, CLOSE MORE ENCAMPMENTS.

UM, AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN DO A COUPLE AT A TIME INSTEAD OF ONE AT A TIME.

AND WE CAN, UH, TARGET PEOPLE ACROSS THE BOTH COCS, UH, SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR HOMELESS READINESS OR FOR HOUSING READINESS, EXCUSE ME, UM, TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THEY NEED AND ARE CONNECTED TO CASE MANAGEMENT.

UM, AND WE CAN CONNECT PEOPLE TO THOSE SLOTS MUCH MORE QUICKLY.

SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT.

UM, AND THEN THE PROCUREMENT AGREEMENT, THIS IS JUST SIGNING OFF AGAIN ON THE 24TH, ON THE, UH, HUMAN MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM DATA MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

SO AS THE LEAD AGENCY FOR THE CONTINUUM OF CARE HOUSING BOARD IS CHARGED WITH DOING THAT BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

UM, AND OHS HAS A, UH, PORTION OF THE, UM, OVERALL PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION COST THAT WE BEAR AS USERS OF THE SYSTEM.

AND SO THIS IS, UM, OUR COST AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS RE-UPPED EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.

SO THAT IS, UH, THAT IS COST.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CHRISTINE CROSSLAND COMMISSIONERS, YOU ALL, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO, UH, ASK QUESTIONS.

UH, WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER GARNER.

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

MADAM VICE CHAIR OWENS.

UM, I APPRECIATE, UM, THE PRESENTATION AND THE AGENDA FORECAST.

UH, I HAVE A LITTLE TROUBLE, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT FOR THIS, UH, CONTRACT FORECAST.

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'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A TERM SHEET.

SO, UM, FORGIVE MY QUESTIONS IF THEY'RE REDUNDANT OR NOT, UM, SPECIFIC TO THE ITEM.

UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE FTES THAT ARE, UH, I'M SORRY, THE 16 OUTREACH BETWEEN THE COC AND WHAT THE CITY DOES, THEY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ABILITIES.

THE COC, THEY CAN SPEND A LOT MORE TIME WITH THE HOMELESS PERSON, THE OUTREACH AND THE, UM, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS, STREET OUTREACH.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HEALTH AND SAFETY.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

HEALTH AND SAFETY.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ASK SPECIFICS IF IT WOULD'VE BEEN INCLUDED IN A TERM SHEET, PERHAPS IF WE HAD BEEN PRESENTED AT, UM, OF WHAT, UH, AUTHORITY PERHAPS THE OUTREACH WORKER WOULD HAVE.

UM, SO MY QUESTION, UM, I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THAT.

YEAH.

SO MY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS, WHAT AUTHORITY WILL THE FRONTLINE OUTREACH HAVE FOR THE 16 FTES, UM, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, OUR OHS UHHUH OUTREACH.

UM, BUT WHAT AUTHORITY WILL THEY HAVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN SERVICES ARE REFUSED AND THE HOMELESS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

UM, WHAT WILL THE NEXT STEP BE? AND, AND IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NO GIVING ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY, UM, WHAT WILL BE, WHAT'S THE PROCESS HERE? AND THEN I'LL HAVE A FOLLOW UP AFTER THAT.

SO OKAY.

GO AHEAD AND STOP TIME.

THERE WE GO.

UM, I DIDN'T, CAN WE STOP TIME AT 31 SECONDS? OKAY.

UM, SO YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THE QUESTION IN YOUR DESCRIPTION.

SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT BUCKETS OF OUTREACH AND OHS DOES HEALTH AND SAFETY REALLY WELL.

SO WHEN THERE IS AN ISSUE OF AN AREA THAT'S DEEPLY UNSAFE, OR WE HAVE CONFIRMED WEAPONS DISCHARGE OR DRUG ACTIVITY, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN AND WE COME IN WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED TO SERVICES, BUT AREAS ARE ALSO REMOVED.

UM, IF SOMETHING'S NEXT TO A SCHOOL, THERE IS NO SERVICES BEING REFUSED.

THAT IS JUST BLATANTLY NOT SAFE.

AND WE HAVE THOSE ESTABLISHED TERMS FOR WHEN EMERGENCY REMOVALS, NOT DECOMMISSIONINGS ARE DONE.

DECOMMISSIONING, AS YOU KNOW, MEANS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY MOVED, WE'VE CLOSED THE ENCAMPMENT BECAUSE WE'VE HOUSED EVERYBODY.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, SO THESE 16 OUTREACH ARE NOT IN THAT BUCKET.

WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE FOR THE CITY.

WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IS THE FOLKS WHO LITERALLY JUST COME OUT TO FOCUS ON BUILDING THAT TRUST TO GET YOU HOUSED.

BECAUSE FOR US, WE DO THIS REMOVAL WORK AND WE DO CONNECT PEOPLE TO SERVICES, BUT WHEN THEY SAY, I'M NOT READY RIGHT NOW, WE MIGHT SEE THEM AGAIN, BUT WE CAN'T SPECIFICALLY GO BACK TO TARGET THOSE AREAS.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAND THEM OFF TO THIS LARGER STREET OUTREACH GROUP AND SAY, HEY, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THESE GUYS UNDER THIS BRIDGE.

THERE'S TWO OF THEM.

IT'S NOT AN ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE.

WE NEED TO GET THEM HOUSED.

CAN YOU GO OUT AND REALLY WORK WITH THEM TO GET THEM HOUSED? BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT THEM ON THAT PATH TO, TO DECOMMISSIONING, AND IT REALLY IS LIKE A MICRO DECOMMISSIONING, WE'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO GET THEM, THEY'RE REALLY RESPONSIVE IN A WAY THAT IF YOU JUST SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THESE SHELTER SERVICES, AND THEN THEY SAY NO AND GO ABOUT THEIR DAY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE.

AND SO IT'S REALLY EFFECTIVE AND WE JUST NEED MORE OF THEM ACROSS THE AREA SO THAT OUR FOLKS CAN HAND PEOPLE OFF AND KNOW THAT THOSE HOTSPOTS ARE REALLY GONNA BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA GO ELSEWHERE WHERE SOMETHING'S DEEPLY UNSAFE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND THEN WHAT AUTHORITY DO THEY HAVE WITH, UM, PERSONS WHO REFUSE SERVICES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? AT A SPECIFIC QUESTION FROM A CONSTITUENT REGARDING THAT.

SO IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD COME BACK AND LET US KNOW BECAUSE CODE WOULD HAVE TO GET INVOLVED.

MM-HMM.

.

AND THEN IT FOLLOWS THE SAME CHANNELS THAT IT WOULD FOLLOW WITH US.

OKAY.

GREAT.

AND THEN, UM, FOLLOW UP, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.

UM, WILL OUT OUTREACH BE ABLE TO ASK THE POINT OF ORIGIN OF THESE INDIVIDUALS, NOT NECESSARILY A STREET ADDRESS, BUT WHERE THEY CAME FROM, LIKE HUNTSVILLE OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER AREA IN NORTH TEXAS? AND I KNOW THAT, UM, YOU'VE SAID BEFORE THAT HMIS CAN'T NECESSARILY DOCUMENT AN ADDRESS PER SE, BUT PERHAPS AN AREA, REGION, CITY ZIP CODE.

SO, SO IT, IT, IT CAN DOCUMENT THAT, UM, BUT IT'S NOT RELIABLE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T USE THAT AS A REPORTING MECHANISM, BECAUSE IF I TALK TO SOMEBODY, THEY MIGHT TELL ME THAT THEIR ADDRESS IS AT THE W THEY MIGHT TELL ME THAT THEIR ADDRESS WAS IN FLORIDA, AND WHEN I DIG A BIT DEEPER, THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.

UM, THEY MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, HAVE NOT HAD AN ADDRESS IN 20 YEARS.

SO, AND PEOPLE MOVE AROUND A LOT.

SO WE CAN GET, WE CAN GET A GOOD SENSE WHEN WE'RE ON THE STREET OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM.

IF THEY'RE NEW, WE'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE.

UM, BUT IN TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DOCUMENT AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE A MIGRATION PATTERN.

YOU CAN DOCUMENT BECAUSE IN ONE DAY I CAN SEE SOMEONE DOWNTOWN AND THEN HOURS LATER I CAN SEE THEM WAY IN FAR NORTH DALLAS.

AND IT'S JUST A LOT OF MOVEMENT.

SO IT REALLY IS MORE ABOUT JUST WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE, DO WE GET THAT SENSE THAT THEY'RE NEW TO THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN GIVE YOU HARD DATA ON BECAUSE IT

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WOULDN'T BE RELIABLE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER JACOB? THANK YOU MADAM VICE CHAIR.

MM-HMM.

.

I APPRECIATE OH S'S, UH, COMMITMENT TO DATA COLLECTION.

UH, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY A HALLMARK WITH, UH, YOUR OFFICE.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO DATA ON BOTH, UH, OUTREACH AND HMIS.

SO BEAR WITH ME HERE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO OUTREACH, WHAT, I MEAN, UH, WHAT KIND OF DATA COLLECTION ARE Y'ALL TAKING PART IN WITH, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THAT OUTREACH SO THAT YOU CAN DETERMINE, UH, SUCCESS OR FROM A KPI'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE UTILIZATION OF THOSE DOLLARS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS BEING, UH, I MEAN THE COMMITMENT OF THOSE DOLLARS IS THERE, HOW ARE YOU, UH, DETERMINING SUCCESS OF, UH, THAT COMMITMENT? SO I'LL ANSWER IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE 16, BUT THEN I'LL GO BACK AND ANSWER IT FOR MY OWN TEAM.

I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.

OKAY.

UM, SO FOR THE 16, THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME OUTREACH COMMITMENTS THAT THE REST OF THE REAL-TIME REHOUSING STAFF HAVE, WHICH IS HOW QUICKLY ARE WE GETTING PEOPLE INTO HOUSING OFF THE STREETS? SO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED HOMELESS BASED ON THE POINT IN TIME COUNT, AND JUST OUR, YOU KNOW, EVERYDAY HMIS OBSERVATIONS.

'CAUSE THOSE TWO WORK HAND IN HAND.

NEITHER ONE IS A CATCHALL.

UM, AND THEN WE SHOULD SEE THOSE RATES GOING DOWN.

WE SHOULD SEE VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS GOING DOWN BECAUSE ENCAMPMENTS ARE BEING ADDRESSED.

UM, AND SO THAT'S PART OF THAT LARGER SYSTEM.

KPI, WHEN WE TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MY FOLKS INTERNALLY, WHAT WE LOOK AT IS THE 3 1 1 RESPONSE BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT 3 1 1.

SO DO YOU SEE IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST WE'VE SAID, OKAY, WELL THE 3 1 1 RESPONSE HAS GONE UP.

WELL THAT'S SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE WE'VE JUST SPENT SIX MONTHS TALKING TO EVERYBODY WHO WOULD LISTEN ABOUT REPORTING INTO 3 1 1.

AND THEN IT'S, OKAY, WELL, THREE ON ONE IS SUCCESSFUL, BUT ARE WE GETTING PEOPLE WHO REALLY STILL FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING IS REDUNDANTLY CLOSED AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHY.

AND SO WE TARGET DIFFERENT THINGS AS WE GO.

UM, BUT THIS, THE SUCCESS RATE FOR THERE IS, UM, THE CONTRACTUAL SUCCESS RATE IS HOW MANY SRSS ARE WE CLOSING AND HOW MUCH, UH, AND HOW MUCH TIME AND RESPONDING TO THOSE COMPLAINTS.

SO WE REALLY TRY AND OR SERVICE REQUESTS.

SO WE REALLY TRY AND LAYER IT WITH A LOT MORE DATA BECAUSE THAT'S SUCH A KIND OF BARE BONES DESCRIPTION.

OKAY.

AND THEN WITH, WITH RESPECT TO HMIS, I MEAN, UH, THERE'S DATA COLLECTION THERE AS WELL.

UH, WHAT DO YOU SEE BY WAY OF ANY, UH, AVAILABILITY OF RECEIVING REPORTS? UH, FROM HMIS OR, OR THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE? UH, WITH HMIS THERE? SO WE HAVE ACCESS TO SET REPORTS WITHIN HMIS.

WE ALWAYS HAVE, WE HAVE LICENSED USERS WHO ARE ALLOWED TO LOG INTO THE SYSTEM AND PULL THOSE REPORTS.

UM, AND ANYTHING THAT WE NEED OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO GET FROM HOUSING FORWARD.

UM, I CAN'T SAY ALWAYS BECAUSE I WAS NOT ALWAYS HERE.

NONE OF US WERE.

BUT IN MY WORK WITH HOUSING FORD, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN, UM, INCREDIBLY FORTHCOMING.

WE'VE NEVER HAD TO ASK MORE THAN ONCE.

SO ANYTHING WE NEED, WE CAN GET.

SO WITH RESPECT TO THAT, I MEAN HMIS FUNDING, UH, CITY OF DALLAS IS FUNDING IT, SO IT'S PUBLIC MONEY.

CITY OF DALLAS DOES HAVE A DATA PORTAL.

WOULDN'T IT BE, UH, PRUDENT TO BE ABLE TO UPLOAD THAT DATA DIRECTLY TO, UH, THE DATA PORTAL? UM, THAT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ILLEGAL.

UM, IT IS FEDERALLY, IT, IT'S A FEDERAL MAN MANDATED DATABASE, AND EVERYONE IN THE SYSTEM PAYS INTO IT.

IT IS EXTREMELY HIGHLY PROTECTED DATA.

I DON'T HAVE A USER LICENSE ANYMORE BECAUSE I DON'T NEED TO.

AND IT'S ALL, IT'S LIKE MEDICAL DATA.

IT'S ON A NEED, NEED TO KNOW BASIS.

SO THE PUBLIC AND OR MEDIA COULDN'T MAKE A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST TO RECEIVE THAT DATA? NO.

IT'S PROTECTED BY FEDERAL STATUTE.

AND CAN I, CAN I DO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN EXPLANATION? YOU CAN.

THANK YOU.

I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW.

SO IT'S PROTECTED DATA, BECAUSE THIS IS PEOPLE'S PERSONAL INFORMATION.

IT'S PPI AND SO THAT HAS A LOT OF PROTECTIONS AROUND IT ANYWAY.

BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES, INDIVIDUALS, IT'S ALL VERY SENSITIVE.

SO WHAT IS AVAILABLE AND WHAT HAS, WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS ABLE TO GIVE IS THAT LARGER DEMOGRAPHICS DATA, UNLESS OF COURSE IT'S A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIM, BUT THAT'S ALL SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REPORT OUT OF THE SYSTEM.

SO THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR ANYBODY TO HAVE A USER LICENSE WHO DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE ONE.

UM, AND UNLESS YOU HAVE A USER LICENSE, YOU CANNOT BE IN THE DATABASE.

YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT JUST LIKE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WALK INTO A HOSPITAL AND DEMAND RECORDS.

BUT YOU CAN REDACT PPI YOUR TIME IS UP, YOUR TIME IS UP FEDERALLY PROTECTED.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER JACOB.

ANYONE ELSE? YES.

COMMISSIONER CLO.

COMMISSIONER CLATON HEALTH.

THANK YOU MADAM VICE CHAIR OWENS.

THANK YOU.

DIRECTOR CROSSLEY, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE 16 FTES AND THEIR FOCUS ON OUTREACH, WHICH IS GREAT.

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THE FIRST THING THAT CROSSED MY MIND WAS, IS THIS GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT IT, WILL IT ADD TO THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO WAIT FOR HOUSING? HOUSING IS ALREADY SO, YOU KNOW, HARD TO COME BY.

AND IF THEY START CLOSING THE CAMPS AT A MORE RAPID PACE, ARE YOU CONCERNED OR DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO SORT OF RAMP UP THAT GETTING HOUSING IN PLACE? SO WE DON'T HAVE MORE WAITING NOW.

AND THEN WE HAVE A LONGER, WHAT ARE WE AT 89 DAYS NOW? 89 OR 90.

RIGHT.

UM, AND IT, YEAH.

SO WHEN I SAY CLOSING CAMPS MORE QUICKLY, I MEAN DECOMMISSIONING THEM MORE QUICKLY.

SO DECOMMISSIONING ENDS IN HOUSING.

MM-HMM.

.

AND WE, I, I THINK THE HOUSING NAVIGATION TEAM FROM HOUSING BOARD, I DON'T KNOW IF SARAH'S STILL HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UM, BECAUSE THESE OUTREACH WORKERS WILL BE WORKING THROUGH THE REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

UM, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, I MEAN, INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, IT'S ON THE, UM, SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT MEMO, IT TALKS ABOUT AN AVERAGE OF 10 CLIENTS PER MONTH.

SO IT'S 120, UH, CLIENTS HOUSED EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR FOR EACH ONE OF THE HOUSING NAVIGATION FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UP FROM AN AVERAGE OF 80 PEOPLE HOUSED BY THE SYSTEM WHEN WE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING TO 160.

SO THEY'RE GOING REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY.

THEY CAN TAKE WHAT WE THROW AT THEM.

SO IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SCALE THAT, WHAT WE'RE THROWING AT THEM.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER OTTENHOFF.

THANK YOU MS. CHRISTINE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE ONE MORE WHILE I'M UP HERE.

YOU HAVE ONE MORE? OKAY.

YOU GUYS AREN'T TIRED OF SEEING ME YET.

UH, , HOPEFULLY .

UM, THIS ONE IS AN UPDATE TO SOMETHING THAT, UM, HAS COME BEFORE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS NOW TWICE.

I BELIEVE I'VE BROUGHT IT TO YOU GUYS BEFORE, BUT IT'S BEEN MANY, MANY MONTHS.

NO, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD NO.

OKAY.

SO, UM, THIS IS A, UH, STRATEGY THAT LOOKS AT A LOCAL PROVIDER WHO CAME IN.

UH, THEY'VE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR A WHILE, AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION, UH, TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM AND WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD NOT DONE HERE BEFORE, UM, WAS LAUNCH THEIR HEALTHY, UH, HOUSING, I THINK IT'S HEALTHY HOUSING COLLABORATIVE, WHICH THEY HAVE IN, UH, THEY HAVE IN LA OR IN CALIFORNIA.

AND IN FLORIDA.

SO THEY PURCHASED A BUILDING HERE.

UH, NO CITY DOLLARS ARE CONNECTED.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH IT AND HOW IT FITS INTO OUR HOUSING STRATEGY.

OKAY.

SO YEAH, WE CAN GO TO SLIDE THREE.

I KNOW I WAS CONFUSING YOU GUYS WITH WHICH SLIDE I WAS ON.

SO SLIDE THREE, WHILE THEY'RE GETTING TO IT, JUST TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LONG-TERM.

UH, AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION PRESENCE IN DALLAS IS THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.

UM, THE PRIMARY OR THE PREDOMINANT, UM, SERVICE THAT THEY HAVE HAD HAS BEEN FOR, UM, HIV POSITIVE INDIVIDUALS THROUGH THE HWA GRANT.

UM, WHICH IS, UM, AIDS BASED OR, UM, RENTAL ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE WHO ARE HIV POSITIVE.

UM, BUT THEY ACTUALLY, THROUGH THEIR HEALTHY HOUSING FOUNDATION HOUSED EVERYONE THEY'RE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE ENTIRE UNSHELTERED COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THOSE WHO ARE HIV POSITIVE.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE BEEN IN THE AREA AND A MEMBER OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR QUITE A WHILE, UH, THROUGH THEIR EIGHT LOCATIONS.

UH, LOOKING AT THRIFT STORES, PHARMACIES AND HEALTHCARE CENTERS.

SO WHAT'S NEW, NEW IS THE HEALTHY HOUSING FOUNDATION.

AND SO SLIDE FOUR, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, TEXT HEAVY, SO I'M NOT GONNA READ IT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEIR COMMITMENT, UM, TO HOUSING THOSE WHO HAVE THE LOWEST INCOME.

UM, SOME OF THE EQUITY FINANCING THAT THEY USE TO DO THAT, REFURBISHING UNITS AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS, UH, SAFE HOUSING THAT MATCHES WITH WHAT THE LOCAL CONTINUUM OF CARE NEEDS.

SO THEY PURCHASED A BUILDING BACK IN, OH, I BELIEVE I, WE WERE AWARE OF IT IN JANUARY.

UM, BUT THEY, THEY PURCHASED A BUILDING AND SAID, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE WANNA WORK WITH THE LOCAL CONTINUUM OF CARE IN THE CITY.

WE HAVE THIS BUILDING THAT, UM, USED TO BE A BEAUTIFUL HOTEL.

IT'S FULLY FURNISHED, WHAT CAN WE DO WITH IT? AND, UM, FOR OUR PART WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE THOSE WHO NEED PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT THAT HAS TO HAVE A SPECIFIC FORMAT TO QUALIFY FOR A VOUCHER.

AND SO, UM, AT NO COST TO THE CITY, THEY ARE, UM, WELL, LET ME GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.

SO, UM, AND SO THEY'RE GONNA RENT OUT SOME OF THOSE UNITS TO BE THAT, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE SECOND SLIDE.

BUT FOR THE REST OF THE UNITS, ABOUT 152 UNITS, UM, THEY ARE GOING TO BE CONNECTING UNSTABLY HOUSED INDIVIDUALS WITH LOW INCOME TO HOUSING.

SO THEY'RE WORKING WITH, UM, THOSE WHO ARE HIV POSITIVE, THEY'RE GETTING REFERRALS THROUGH OUR OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE THAT HANDLES UNSTABLY HOUSED INDIVIDUALS, UM, WORKING WITH A LOT OF PROVIDERS THROUGHOUT THE AREA TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU'RE NOT

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HOMELESS, BUT YOU'RE ABOUT TO BE BECAUSE YOUR RENT IS TOO HIGH, COME SEE IF YOU WANNA LIVE HERE.

AND SO THAT'S A REALLY HELPFUL THING TO DO.

ALL IT IS LEASE BASED, SO IT DOESN'T CREATE NEW HOMELESSNESS.

IT IS A LEASE IN YOUR OWN NAME.

STAY AS LONG AS YOU LIKE.

SO THAT'S A LOT OF NICE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

UM, WE'VE HAD AN ELDERLY INDIVIDUAL COME THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE'S OFFICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WHO JUST NEEDED HOUSING FOR TWO MONTHS BECAUSE HE WAS WAITING ON SENIOR HOUSING THAT WAS FINISHING CONSTRUCTION.

SO IT COULD BE THAT, OR IT COULD BE SOMEONE WHO NEEDS LONG-TERM HOUSING.

UM, SO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

AGAIN, NO COST TO THE CITY.

THEY'RE JUST DOING THIS AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS.

THE PART THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US IS ON SLIDE SIX, UM, AND I TALKED ABOUT THEY HAVE 48 UNITS THAT ARE, UM, ALREADY PRETTY EASY TO TURN INTO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

AND THE LINCHPIN THERE IS, UM, AND THIS IS VERY TECHNICAL, BUT FOR IT TO QUALIFY FOR A VOUCHER, IT HAS TO QUALIFY, IT HAS TO HAVE CERTAIN HALLMARKS OF LONG-TERM HOUSING.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A KITCHEN NET, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO HAVE THAT HOT PLATE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PUT THINGS, SO A FRIDGE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UM, A SINK OUTSIDE OF THE BATHROOM.

SO YOU NEED A SEPARATE SINK FOR COOKING, WASHING YOUR HANDS.

AND SO THESE 48 UNITS, THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED A REALLY EASY TO RENO OVER TO THAT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE SEPARATE SINK.

SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, AGAIN, OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET.

AND TALKING TO, UH, DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY ABOUT POTENTIALLY APPLYING FOR NEW VOUCHERS THAT WOULD COME INTO THE SYSTEM.

UM, AGAIN, NEW VOUCHERS IS IMPORTANT.

WE HAVE THOSE 480 VOUCHERS THAT I MENTIONED THROUGH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, BUT THOSE ARE EXISTING.

AND SO IF WE PUT THOSE IN THIS BUILDING, WELL, YOU'RE NOT BRINGING ANYTHING NEW INTO THE SYSTEM, YOU'RE JUST USING VOUCHERS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN UTILIZED ANYWHERE.

SO INSTEAD THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL LET US GO TALK TO DHA DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY ABOUT GETTING ADDITIONAL VOUCHERS.

SO THAT'S AN ADDED BONUS TO THE SYSTEM.

AND THEN, UH, THROUGH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, THERE ARE EXISTING SERVICE PACKAGES THAT COULD BE PAIRED WITH THAT PSH WITH THAT, UH, HOUSING VOUCHER TO MAKE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

AND SO ONCE THOSE ARE READY, THOSE WILL BE ABLE TO BE USED BY THE REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE TO PERMANENTLY HOUSE PEOPLE, AGAIN, WITH THEIR OWN LEASES, STAY AS LONG AS THEY LIKE.

THAT'S WHAT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS.

UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THE BUILDING A HF IS INTERESTED IN GRADUALLY TRANSITIONING THE REST OF IT TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

SO THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT COST ONCE THEY'RE DONE WITH THE FIRST 48 UNITS.

UM, AND THEN JUST GOING TO PAGE SEVEN, AGAIN, SUSTAINABILITY, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT 28 OF THESE UNITS, UH, ARE IN A SEPARATE BUILDING.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING RENOVATED FIRST.

THE OTHER 20 ARE, UM, BUILT INTO SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

AND SO THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE GRADUALLY TRANSITIONED AS FLOORS OR TRANSITION TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

UM, AGAIN, THIS IS HELPING WITH DIVERS DIVERSIFICATION OF HOUSING STOCK, UH, UTILIZING UNITS THAT CAN ADAPT TO CHANGING NEEDS.

AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS.

UM, AND THERE'S ALWAYS POTENTIAL FOR CITY OR MUNICIPAL FUNDING LATER ON, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST REALLY HAPPY THAT THEY'RE HERE AND WORKING WITH US AND WORKING WITH THE REAL-TIME REHOUSING.

UM, AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, NEXT STEPS, UM, THIS SHOULD HAVE ADDED, I BELIEVE, SORRY, THIS SHOULD HAVE ADDED A JANUARY CHC BRIEFING.

SO WE'LL ADD THAT AND THEN QUARTERLY COMMITTEE BRIEFINGS.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO START WITH.

MM-HMM.

EXPLAIN HOUSING VOUCHER DISTRIBUTION? YES.

UM, WELL, I CAN GIVE YOU THE OVERVIEW AND THEN I'M, OH, NOPE, THEY LEFT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OVERVIEW.

, UM, HOUSING VOUCHERS COME DOWN THROUGH HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY ARE GIVEN, UH, NOT TO THE CITY HERE, DIFFERENT AREAS.

THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED DIFFERENTLY.

UM, FOR US, THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED TO DALLAS COUNTY AND TO DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.

NORMALLY THEY ALL GO THROUGH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.

SOMETIMES THEY'RE ALSO DIS DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNTY.

SO AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, WHEN THAT FUNDING CAME DOWN TO ALL OF THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, IT INCLUDED MONEY FOR VOUCHERS.

SO THAT $72 MILLION FOR THE DALLAS REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE, ROUGHLY 12 MILLION OF THAT WAS THE ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE 658 VOUCHERS THAT CAME DOWN.

SO IT'S MONETARY TAG THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FUND THESE IN PERPETUITY.

UM, SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAD MOUS WITH HOUSING FORD FOR THE DALLAS REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE HAD THEIR OWN VOUCHERS THAT HAD COME DIRECTLY TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY HAD IT SET UP IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE ARE SOME WITH THE COUNTY MOSTLY THEY COME THROUGH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THEY HAVE TO BE APPLIED FOR, THEY CAN'T JUST GIVE THEM OUT.

UM, EVERYTHING IS A COMPETITIVE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE NUMBER ONE, ENOUGH MONEY TO FUND THE VOUCHERS THEY ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE, BUT TO FUND THE ONES THEY HAVE COMING.

AND SO THE ALLOTMENT MIGHT CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR BASED ON THE FUNDING THAT THEY KNOW THEY HAVE DEDICATED COMING IN FROM HUD.

UM, AND I BELIEVE, UH, I KNOW THAT TROY, UM,

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BROUSSARD, WHO'S THE CEO OF DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY IS SENDING A MEMO TO BRIEF HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS IN TWO WEEKS.

UM, ON JUST KIND OF A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION.

OKAY.

ONE MORE QUESTION.

MM-HMM.

, I SEE LENGTH OF STAY IS FLEXIBLE.

DO YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM TIME OF STAY? NOPE.

THE BEAUTY OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS YOU CAN STAY FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE AND OUTSIDE OF THOSE UNITS FOR THE OTHER UNITS, THAT'S A LEASE IN SOMEONE'S NAME.

SO THEY CAN STAY FOR AS LONG AS THEY LIKE.

IT JUST DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT THE DEFINITION WE NEED FOR A VOUCHER TO APPLY FOR IT.

SO YOU HAVE TO BRING YOUR OWN SOURCE OF INCOME WITH YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? YES.

COMMISSIONER GALA, IL, HUH.

FIRST STOPPED ON PAGE FOUR AND WAS JUST WANTED TO KNOW A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, THE THIRD BULLET ON THE LEFT SAYS, GENERATE RETURNS SUFFICIENT TO JUSTIFY DEPLOYING CAPITAL IN THIS WAY.

WHERE ARE THOSE RETURNS COMING FROM? JUST SO WHEN YOU HAVE, WELL, WHEN PEOPLE RENT DIRECTLY FROM AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION.

MM-HMM.

.

SO THE BULK OF THE UNITS THAT RENT WILL BE GOING INTO THE SYSTEM.

I DON'T HAVE THEIR PROFOR PROFORMA IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT'LL BE GOING BACK IN.

AND THEN WITH, UH, HOUSING VOUCHERS, UM, ANY PROFIT THAT IS MADE OR ANY EXCESS FUNDS FROM THAT MM-HMM.

, UM, PROGRAMS ARE GENERALLY ALLOWED TO KEEP IT PROVIDED THEY ROLL IT BACK INTO THE PROGRAM.

SO IT'S NOT A PROFIT, IT JUST GOES TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM IN PERPETUITY.

IS THERE ANY, UH, WRITTEN DOWN PERCENTAGE OF HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE ALLOWED TO LIVE THERE VERSUS LOW INCOME PEOPLE? WELL, WE KNOW FOR SURE THE 28 TO 48 BECAUSE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS FOR THOSE WHO'VE BEEN PREVIOUSLY HOMELESS.

BEYOND THAT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE VOUCHERS TO APPLY TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RENOVATED IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE THEM QUALIFY.

RIGHT.

SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A SOURCE OF INCOME WHO CAN COME IN.

OKAY.

NOW THAT COULD BE SOMEONE WHO IS FORMERLY HOMELESS AND ON DISABILITY HIGH ENOUGH TO PAY LIKE $800 IN RENT.

UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHAT THEIR, I KNOW WHAT THEIR, UM, CEILING IS OR WHAT THEIR NORMAL RENTAL RATE IS, BUT I, LET'S JUST SAY 800 MM-HMM.

, YOU COULD BE MAKING OVER A THOUSAND IN, IN DISABILITY, WHICH IS FAIRLY HIGH.

MM-HMM.

.

SO YOU'D BE RENT BURDEN, BUT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.

WHICH AVERAGE FAIR MARKET RENT FOR THE CITY'S ABOUT 1500.

YEAH.

THEN THE LAST ONE IS USE A HUNDRED PERCENT EQUITY FINANCING WITHOUT LEVERAGE, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT L-I-H-T-C IS FUNDING.

LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT.

OKAY.

WHICH OFTEN CARRIES REGULATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS THAT INHIBIT COST-EFFECTIVE, DECENT HOUSING.

ANYBODY THAT SAYS THAT THEY'RE GONNA NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT REGULATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS SCARES ME.

I WANNA KNOW WHAT REGULATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS THEY'LL NOT BE SUBJECT TO IN ORDER TO DO THIS.

I AM NOT THE HOUSING PERSON, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU.

YEAH.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU USE GOVERNMENT FUNDING, YOU HAVE RESTRICTIONS THAT COME WITH THE GOVERNMENT FUNDING THAT ARE VERY STRINGENT FOR AUDIT PURPOSES.

UM, SO THEY PROBABLY HAVE DONE THEIR OWN FINANCING OUTSIDE OF THAT.

UM, BUT TO HOUSE ANYONE, YOU DO HAVE TO MEET EXISTING CODES WITHIN THE CITY.

AND ESPECIALLY FOR PSH FUNDS, THOSE ARE EXTREMELY STRINGENT.

OKAY.

UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE PEOPLE IN, IN TERRIBLE STATES OF LIVING.

IT'S, IT'S HIGH QUALITY BECAUSE IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO FIT WITH THE REST OF THE CITY CODE.

OKAY.

WHERE'S THE BUILDING? UH, 2330 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

IT'S THE OLD ELEG HOTEL.

IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY BEAUTIFUL ON THE INSIDE.

ANTE.

ANTE.

OKAY.

HUH.

OH, THANK YOU.

UHHUH .

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

MADAM VICE CHAIR OWENS.

SO THE 152 UNITS, THAT'S TOTAL? NO, IT'S 200 UNITS TOTAL.

OKAY.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 28 TO 48.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE'S THAT RENOVATION UPSWING, UM, PSH AND THEN 152 THAT ARE NOT, NOT PLANNED TO BE PSH AT THIS TIME.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

UHHUH.

.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER GARNER.

THANK YOU MADAM VICE CHAIR OWENS.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

DIRECTOR CROSSLEY.

UM, JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, WHAT MAKES A PERSON COUNT AS HOMELESS IS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE A MORTGAGE LEASE OR RENTAL AGREEMENT IN THEIR NAME, CORRECT? NOT CORRECT.

NOT CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, I WAS GONNA BUILD ON THAT QUESTION.

MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO, I CAN EX IS, SO THE 152 UNITS MM-HMM.

, I KNOW ON THE VERY FIRST PRESENTATION WE WERE KIND OF CALLING IT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, BUT WE DON'T WANNA CALL IT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING BECAUSE OF HOW THAT ADDS TO THE, THE

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TOTAL OVERALL COUNT ON HOMELESSNESS.

UM, 152 UNITS.

THERE WILL BE LEASES THERE.

YES.

OKAY.

AND THE ROOMS ARE NOT, UH, THEY'RE BASICALLY STILL ROOMS. CORRECT.

UM, THEY HAVE SEPARATE BATHROOM, A SINK, A MINI FRIDGE.

IT'S JUST THAT A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE THAT FULL KITCHENETTE.

OKAY.

OR THE SECOND SINK.

OKAY.

SO, AND THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD BE GOING THERE WOULD BE PERHAPS MAYBE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT THE EMERGENCY SHELTER FOR A LONG TIME HOUSING READY? THE HOUSES AREN'T READY FOR THEM, SO THEY WOULD STAY THERE? OR IS THIS JUST, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT TO PERHAPS YOU HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE, YOU NEED A PLACE TO STAY AND YOU CAN SO IT'S THE LATTER.

IT IS THE LATTER.

OKAY.

YES.

IT WOULDN'T INTERACT WITH OUR SYSTEM.

OKAY.

UNLESS SOMEONE FOUND IT BY HAPPENSTANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSED ON RAPID REHOUSING AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHICH HAD THE SAME STANDARDS.

OKAY.

AND BUT THE PSH PART WOULD INTERACT WITH OUR SYSTEM, CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

IT WOULD.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, MY LAST QUESTION, UM, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE TO OPEN THE 28TH MM-HMM.

THE 20 AND THEN THE 152.

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? SO THE 152 ARE ACTIVE RIGHT NOW.

OKAY.

UM, AND THE 28, I BELIEVE THEY'RE COMING BACK WITH THEIR FINAL TIMELINE ON THE RENO IN, I WANNA SAY LATE FEBRUARY, EARLY MARCH.

VERY QUICK.

YEAH.

YEAH.

WELL, IT, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A WHILE.

UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S GRANT GREENLIT AND ACTIVE NOW.

UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY'LL LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR THE REST.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, SINCE I ONLY HAVE EIGHT, SEVEN SECONDS, WE WON'T, WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT DEFINITION LATER THAT I HAD, UM, BROUGHT UP.

YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, I CAN JUST, IT'S, IT'S A THREE FOUR.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THAT'S TRUE.

FOUR BULLET DEFINITION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YES, SURE.

HUD DEFINES HOMELESSNESS AS SOMEONE WHO IS FLEEING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

UM, NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE BEING, UH, IN A SHELTER BEING ON THE STREET HOMELESS OR, UM, COUCH SURFING IS THE TERM THAT WE USE.

COLLOQUIALLY.

COLLOQUIALLY.

BUT IT'S, UH, LITERALLY IN THE PAST SEVEN DAYS.

HAVE YOU SPENT THE SAME, HAVE YOU SPENT YOUR NIGHTS IN THE SAME PLACE TWICE? UM, USUALLY WHEN WE ASK IT THOUGH, YOU'RE SAYING, UH, I MEAN LIKE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PAST TWO WEEKS.

'CAUSE SOMEONE MIGHT SAY, WELL, I'VE BEEN STAYING WITH FRIENDS FOR THREE NIGHTS, BUT WHERE WERE YOU TWO WEEKS AGO? AND YOU, YOU'LL FIND INTERSPERSED WITH THAT TIMES WHEN THEY'VE BEEN ON THE STREET OR NOT SURE ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

THANK YOU.

I THINK I JUST COMPLICATED IT WITH THE LEASE RENTAL MORTGAGE STATEMENT.

YEAH.

SO, OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY.

YEAH.

AS LONG AS YOU HAVE LONG-TERM HOUSING, THAT CAN BE WITH FRIENDS OR FAMILY.

SO THE LEASE MIGHT NOT BE IN YOUR NAME, BUT LONG-TERM, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE? COMMISSIONER BROWN.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

HAPPY THURSDAY EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, THIS PRESENTATION.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, IF I MISSED IT, IS THERE A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING OR THAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING ABOUT ADDING TO THEIR PROGRAM WITH IT ALREADY BEING UP AND RUNNING? AND IF SO, WHAT IS THAT AMOUNT? NOT AT THIS TIME.

UM, THERE IS ALWAYS OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, MONETARY INPUT.

LATER THEY MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE WANNA TRANSITION THE REST OF THE UNITS TO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THIS TIME.

SO THIS IS JUST, UH, THEM WANTING TO JOIN IN WITH THE CITY AND BE A PARTNER AT NO COST TO THE CITY WITH NO, WITH NOT EVEN ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER JACOB? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DIRECTOR CROSSLEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND I LOVE, UH, SEEING A HF AS A CASE STUDY HERE.

I MEAN, AND THIS IS PROBABLY WE'LL SEGUE INTO A, UH, LATTER DISCUSSION ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, BUT WAS THERE EVER ANY CONSIDERATION TO HAVE, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A HF JOIN YOU, UH, FOR THIS PRESENTATION SO THAT WE COULD ASK THEM SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? UH, APART FROM JUST HEARING FROM YOU? THAT IS A FANTASTIC IDEA.

UM, I DID NOT HAVE IT SO , I, UH, DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET THAT ADDED.

IT'S YOUR COM IT'S YOUR COMMISSION, NOT MINE.

BUT I THINK, UH, THEY'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER JACOB.

IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THERE'LL BEING NONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATIONS.

THANK YOU.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT ON.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO OUR SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS AND WE WILL START WITH HOUSING WITH JOHN SHELLING.

COMMISSIONER JOHN SHELLING, ARE YOU HERE? I'M HERE.

AND, UH, HOUSING DOES NOT HAVE A REPORT AT THIS TIME.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

WE'RE SORRY.

YOU CAN'T HEAR ME.

YOU'RE VERY LOW.

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OKAY.

I'M I SPEAKING AGAIN? LET'S SEE.

YEAH, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S HIS, THAT'S HIS L UH, THE BEST MICROPHONE THAT I HAVE.

THAT'S FINE.

IF YOU JUST SPEAK UP.

OKAY.

UM, HOUSING DOES NOT HAVE A, UH, REPORT AT THIS TIME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT ON TO RACIAL EQUITY, WHICH WOULD NORMALLY BE CHAIR KING.

SO WHO IS REPRESENTING RACIAL EQUITY? UH, I HAVE NOT, WE HAVE NOT MET IN A LONG TIME.

SO YOU ALL HAVE NOT MET? NO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND NOW WE'LL MOVE TO STREET OUTREACH, WHICH I AM THE CHAIR, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE COMMISSIONER OTTENHOFF GIVE THE REPORT.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UM, VICE CHAIR, WE MET JUST EARLIER FROM TWO TO THREE TODAY FOR OUR FIRST MEETING SINCE DECEMBER.

UH, WE TALKED ABOUT ARTICLE 20, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, YEAH, FOR THE CITIZENS HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION.

AND THEN CHAPTER EIGHT, UM, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT PROPOSED ITEMS THAT WE WANNA WORK ON IN THE FUTURE AND FOCUS ON THIS YEAR.

WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON THE THREE SUBGROUPS THAT USAGE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY WERE FOCUSING ON.

AND WE WOULD EACH FIND OUT EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD ABOUT OUTREACH PROGRAMS, UH, BEST PRACTICES AND OUTREACH FOR FAMILY AND YOUTH VETERANS, AND CHRONICALLY UNSHELTERED, SPECIFICALLY AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN.

AND EACH ONE OF US TOOK ONE OF THOSE BUCKETS AND WE'RE JUST GONNA BECOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON THAT.

AND WE'RE GONNA REPORT BACK, UH, IN OUR NEXT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING ON FEBRUARY 29TH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COMMISSIONER CLAUDEEN HALL.

AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH WILL BE COMMISSIONER GARDNER WITH SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.

THANK YOU, MADAM VICE CHAIR OWENS.

UM, THE SUBCOMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING WAS TO EVALUATE, UM, ARTICLE 20 AND CHAPTER EIGHT, UM, EITHER IN YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE OR INDIVIDUALLY, GIVEN IT WAS OVER, UH, THE HOLIDAYS.

WE ALL OPTED TO, UM, EVALUATE THAT ASSIGNMENT INDIVIDUALLY.

AND, UM, IT WILL BE DEFERRED TO THE FULL DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT CONCLUDES THE SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS.

AND NOW WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS THE DALLAS CITY CODE ARTICLE 20, AND THEN, UH, CHAPTER EIGHT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, SEE THIS TIME, IS 4 0 1, I'M GONNA READ THE COMMISSION IS CARRY AN OUTAGE.

PURPOSE SHALL ACT AS AN ADVISORY BODY TO THE CITY MANAGER.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON ISSUES AFFECTING HOMELESSNESS, ASSIST THE CITY IN EVALUATING NEW AND EXISTING PROGRAMS, COORDINATE WITH OTHER