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OKAY, I'D

[Senior Affairs Commission on January 29, 2024.]

LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND THEN WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THE ONLY PERSON MISSING IS DEBBIE AUSTIN.

AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IT'S DEBBIE THERE.

OKAY.

SO, UM, MAKE FULL ATTENDANCE EXCEPT FOR DEBBIE.

UH, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ATTENDANCE, YOU CAN SEE A NEW FACE WHO WILL BE SHOWING UP HERE WHEN MACAL GETS HIS, GETS HIS BADGE, UH, ARRANGED.

BUT DAVID TYSON WILL BE JOINING US AS THE NEW COMMISSIONER FROM, UH, DISTRICT 10.

AND, UH, HE'S GONNA BE, HE'S GONNA BE GREAT.

WE'LL INTRODUCE HIM WHEN HE GETS BACK.

IS THIS DEBBIE? MM-HMM.

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DEBBIE AUSTIN IS HERE.

EVERYBODY'S HERE.

OKAY.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS, UH, TODAY THAT OUR, UH, INTEREST IN TAKING TO THE COMMISSION? OKAY.

NONE, NONE MORE PRESENT.

FIRST ITEM OF THE BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER 18TH MINUTES.

UH, CAN I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES? A MOTION TO APPROVAL? SECOND.

SECOND.

OKAY.

AND, UH, ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES BEFORE WE VOTE? I HAVE A COMMENT.

I JUST LIKED THE WAY EVERYTHING'S SPELLED OUT AND HIGH.

IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, I, I, YOU CAN THANK FOR THAT.

THANK YOU, .

I JUST, THAT WAS .

THAT REALLY, REALLY WELL.

THANK YOU.

UH, COULD WE HAVE A VOTE OF, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? EITHER WAIVE OR SAY HI.

OKAY.

ANYBODY OPPOSED? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

UM, WE HAVE THE, UH, THEMA THEMA REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE.

UH, IN TERMS OF HAVING, IF YOU'RE ON VIRTUALLY, YOU NEED TO BE VISIBLE AT ALL TIMES.

UM, AND THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT I REALLY HAD, I GUESS THEY HAD TWO THINGS THAT I WAS GONNA MENTION.

ONE IS THE, UH, THE CITY JOB POSTING IS UP FOR THE NEW, UH, AGE FRIENDLY OFFICER.

UH, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE OFFICE COMMUNITY CARE, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE BUDGET AS A RESULT OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, OUR BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS AND ALL OF THAT CAN GO ONLINE AT THE CITY WEBSITE, WE CAN FIND THAT.

UH, THE OTHER IS, UM, ON THE CONTENT SPECIALIST INITIATIVE THAT WE, UH, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT YOU SAW, BUT IT'S TO REPLACE THE COMMITTEE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAD.

UH, POLICE JARVIS HAS AGREED TO HEAD UP TRYING TO GET THAT ORGANIZED, AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH EVERYBODY OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.

OKAY.

UH, TRYING TO GET THAT UP AND GOING AND PEOPLE'S INTEREST.

IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR TOPICS THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, UH, BEING THE CONTENT SPECIALIST FOR US, UM, I JUST SENT HER AN EMAIL, UH, AND YES, EXPRESS YOUR INTEREST IN WHAT THE TOPIC.

OKAY.

NEW BUSINESS.

UM, FIRST I, WELL, LET ME BACK UP.

UH, DAVID, UM, WAVE EVERYBODY.

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DAVID, DAVID TYSON IS THE, WILL BE THE NEW, UH, DIRECTOR FOR DISTRICT 10.

HE'S GOTTA FINISH UP HIS PAPERWORK BEFORE HE'S OFFICIAL, BUT, UH, HE'S, UH, HE'S HERE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.

I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO AT THE NEXT MEETING IS ASK YOU TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH, UH, YOUR BACKGROUND AND HOW, HOW THIS ALL CAME TOGETHER.

AND WE'LL, UH, COVER THAT.

BUT WELCOME, THANK YOU.

UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

UM, WE HAVE A BRIEFING TODAY REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT THAT IS PROPOSED.

AND, UH, ANDREA IS GOING TO BE OUR PRESENTER LOOKOUT.

THE LAST SHARE HERE? UH, YES, SIR.

OKAY.

NEXT TO RENEE.

I'LL MOVE MY STEPS.

IS THERE A PASSWORD TO GET ON HERE? MY, DO WE KNOW THE PASSWORD TO CONNECT TO THE DEL SIR? THAT'S

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ASKING ME FOR SECURITY KEY.

SO THE, UH, I DON'T EVER GO ONLINE.

I'M JUST USING THIS AS MY, EVERYBODY GOT A PAPER COPY? THERE'S PAPER COPY ON THE BACK.

UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE AGENDA, UH, BACKGROUND ON THIS PRESENTATION JUST BRIEFLY IS, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT A PROPOSED, UH, CHANGE IN THE ZONING CODE, UH, RELATING TO ADULT DAYCARE AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES.

UM, AND WE PROMISED THAT WE WOULD HAVE INFORMATION AT THIS MEETING TO, SO EVERYBODY COULD BE BROUGHT UP TO SPEED OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THAT WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND TALK ABOUT IT.

SO, UH, WITH THAT BRIEF INTRODUCTION, I'M GONNA LET YOU TELL US WHY YOU'RE HERE AND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.

MY NAME IS ANDREA RE, UH, I AM THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AT URBAN DESIGN.

UM, AND I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION OF A CODE AMENDMENT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.

I'M REFERRING TO YOU AS DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S NO WORD ZONING CODE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.

IT'S ONLY A CHANGE IN ZONING CODE.

UM, IF YOU CAN GO, UH, AND I HAVE SARAH MAY, I'M SORRY, I HAVE SARAH MAY HERE WITH ME, WHO, THE CHIEF PLANNER OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS TEAM.

SHE HAS A VAST EXPERIENCE WITH PERMITTING AND ALL OF THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY THE CODE.

SO, UH, THE TWO OF US ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND WE CAN MOVE, LET, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A MOMENT FOR THOSE WHO ARE ONLINE.

CAN EVERYONE HEAR HER? IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN'T HEAR HER? OKAY.

SO THANK YOU.

UH, SO I'LL GIVE YOU, UM, JUST THE WORDING OF THE AUTHORIZATION.

I THINK WE PROVIDED THE PRESENTATION IN ADVANCE IS JUST TECHNICAL LANGUAGE AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND.

AND I'M GONNA EXPLAIN THE TERM REGULATIONS AND WHAT WAS THE CPC AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT IS BEING, UH, UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH CITY COUNCIL RIGHT NOW.

AND A LITTLE BIT OF RATIONALE OF WHY WE PROPOSED THAT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS JUST TECHNICAL LANGUAGE.

THESE ARE JUST PERCEPTS OF THE CODE.

CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, WE HAVE THREE USES.

ONE IS AN ACCESSORY DAY HOME THAT IS AN ACCESSORY USE AND THEN CHILDCARE FACILITY AND ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY.

AND WE NEEDED TO, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE OPEN IT UP AND WE AMEND ALL THE SECTIONS THAT ARE PERTAINING TO THESE THREE USES.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AS A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND IN, UM, WE HAD THREE ZAC ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEES, A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION IS THE ONE THAT, UM, ANALYZES AND MAKES RECOMMENDATION BASED ON ZONING.

AND THEN JUST CITY COUNCIL.

SO, AND THEY HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR CODE AMENDMENTS, WHICH IS ZAC.

SO WE WENT TO ZAC THREE TIMES.

THEY MADE, MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

CITY PLAN COMMISSION CONSIDERED THIS ITEM TWICE.

UM, THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

WE ALSO PRESENTED TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE, ARTS AND CULTURE COUNCIL COMMITTEE IN DECEMBER 5TH.

AND THEN WE WERE WHERE DID, WHERE DID, WHAT DID THEY DO? THERE'S NOTHING.

THEY DIDN'T, UH, THE QUALITY OF LIFE COMMISSION, UH, COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL, YES.

UM, THEY HEARD IT.

THEY TOOK A VOTE TO ADVANCE IT TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT THEY DON'T NEED A VOTE.

IT'S BASICALLY A BRIEFING BECAUSE AT COUNCIL, WHEN WE HAVE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS BRIEF THEM.

SO THEY GO TO A COMMITTEE.

SO THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO SEND IT TO CCP TO COUNCIL FOR CPC RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEY JUST WON ON.

OKAY.

YES.

AND THEY TOLD US TO, UH, HAVE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION OR TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR, WE PUT AN SUP IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS, AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT.

AND COUNCIL HAD A MOTION TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND THEN, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAD UNDER CONSIDERATION DECEMBER 13TH, UH, BUT IT WAS HELD TO FEBRUARY 14TH, UM, TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND THEN WE WERE INVITED TO PRESENT IN FRONT OF YOU, , FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

SO WE'RE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 14TH.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO I WILL DIVE A LITTLE BIT INTO THE USES.

I TOOK OUT THE PORTIONS REGARDING CHILDCARE FACILITIES.

I FOCUS MORE ON THE ADULT DAYCARE, UH, PORTION OF IT.

SO PER THE CODE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ADULT DAYCARE IS A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES CARE OR SUPERVISION FOR FIVE OR MORE PERSONS, 18 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER WHO ARE NOT RELATED TO THE OPERATOR.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR CHILDCARE FACILITY BY, UH, EXTENSION.

IT'S, UM, UNDER THAT AGE.

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NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

WE ALSO HAVE A UNIT THAT IS CALLED ACCESSORY DAY HOME.

AND I WILL FOCUS ON THE ACCESSORY PART.

IT'S A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES CARE OF SUPERVISION FOR NO MORE THAN 10 DAY HOME ATTENDEES.

AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE DAY HOME ATTENDEES MUST BE UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE.

AND THEN IT EXPLAINS THAT A DAY HOME MUST BE INCIDENTAL TO THE MAIN NEWS AND THEY CANNOT LEAVE ON THE PREMISES.

THE ATTENDEES MEANS ACCESSORY MEANS, UH, YOU CAN DO IT AT YOUR HOME.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOSE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, FOR ARD FACILITY, YOU HAVE IN-HOME AND UNDER STATE LAW, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LICENSING.

NEXT, UH, SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THIS USES ARE NOT BECAUSE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF C ENGAGEMENT, WE'VE HEARD, AND IT SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A, A CONFLATION OF, UH, TYPE OF FACILITIES.

THESE ARE NOT ADULT DAYCARES ARE NOT RURAL RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES, NOT HANDICAPPED OR DWELLING UNITS.

THEY'RE NOT RETIREMENT HOUSING, THEY'RE NOT CONVALESCENT NURSING HOMES, HOSPICE CARE OR RELATED INSTITUTIONS.

THEY'RE NOT HALFWAY HOUSED.

THEY'RE NOT FOSTER HOMES.

THEY'RE NOT LODGING ON BOARD BOARDING HOUSES, AND THEY'RE NOT OVERNIGHT GENERAL PURPOSE SHELTER.

ALL OF THOSE USES ARE DIFFERENT IN THE CODE THAN WE DON'T ADDRESS.

UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UM, AN ADULT DAYCARE.

SO NOW WHERE ARE THEY ALLOWED? AN ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY IS ALLOWED RIGHT NOW FOR CODE FOR ZONING BY RIDING RETAIL, UM, IN CO, UM, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SERVICE, WHICH IS A HIGH, UH, UH, A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF USE, UH, DISTRICT IN INDUSTRIAL, IN CENTRAL, IN MIXED USE AND MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL URBAN CORRIDOR.

THEY ARE A LIMITED USE IN THE MORE INTENSE MULTI-FAMILY, AND THEY REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

NOW, WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC USE BIRTH? THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL ZONING PROCESS THAT IS INTENDED TO ASSESS CERTAIN NEWS COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

AND THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER IS A PROCESS THAT INVOLVES TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND IS SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

FOLLOWING ALL REQUIRED NOTIFICATIONS, BECAUSE IT IS REQUIRED NOTIFICATION BY STEAD LAW, IT TAKES UP TO FOUR, SIX MONTHS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND AGAIN, IT'S DISCRETIONARY IS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL, AND IT GOES TO CBC AGAIN, UM, USUALLY IS APPROVED WITH A SET OF CONDITIONS AND A SITE PLAN.

NOW, THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT IS NOT AN SUP? AN SUP DOESN'T LOOK AT THE ACTUAL OPERATION OF THE FACILITY.

IT DOESN'T GET INTO STATE LICENSING.

IT DOESN'T LOOK INTO THE OCCUPANCY LIMITATIONS, ADMISSIONS TYPES OF CARE PROVIDERS, PERSONAL QUALIFICATION, BACKGROUND CHECKS, NONE OF THAT.

IT JUST LOOKS AT HOW ARE YOU GONNA OPERATE ON THE EXTERIOR.

UM, DO YOU HAVE, UH, WHERE'S THE BUILDING PLACED? UH, WHERE ARE THE USES AROUND IT? IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF LIKE DROP OFF FOR JACKET FACILITIES, FOR INSTANCE, DROP OFF PICKUP, STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EXTERIOR STUFF.

IT IS JUST, AND IT'S NEVER IN CONFLICT AND IT NEVER TRUMP STATE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS.

SO IN ANY OTHER PUBLIC, UH, HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY CODES.

SO THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH FIRE CODES, ALL OF THOSE, RIGHT? PERMITTING, ALL OF THAT.

UH, SO JUST A RULE OF THUMB, LAND USE IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS EVERYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY AND HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS.

RIGHT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT IS IN THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF INFORMATION? WE RECOMMENDED TO COMBINE CHILDCARE AND ADULT FACILITY ONE SINGLE USE.

SO IT'S EASIER TO, UH, FIND IT IN THE CODE AND TO ALLOW IT BY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

AND WE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT CBC WAS TO PUT AN SUP IN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

AND THIS IS WHERE QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, COUNCIL COMMITTEE CAME AND SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE ALLOW THEM IN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL? BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED IT THERE ANYWAY RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE ALSO PUT A, REQUIRE A REQUIREMENT.

WE ELIMINATED THE MINIMUM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE, AND I CAN EXPLAIN WHY THEY DON'T REALLY EXIST RIGHT NOW.

THEY SAY BY SUP.

AND IF SOMEBODY COMES WITH AN SUP, WE TAKE THEIR WORK.

THEY, THEY SHOW US LIKE, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF APARTMENT SPACES I GOT.

THIS IS, UH, HOW WE OPERATE.

SO WE, WE, WE TRUST 'EM.

AND THAT'S HOW, AND WE NEVER RAN INTO ISSUES WITH PARKING, WITH ANY OF THE SUVS THAT WE HAVE FOR CHILDCARE FACILITIES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY SUVS FOR ADULT BAKERS.

UH, AND THEN WE DID, WE ADDED ADDITIONAL PROVISION FOR MASS COMPATIBILITY, LIKE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND THE HEIGHT MUST BE THE SAME AS THE UNDERLYING ZONING, UH, DISTRICT.

UH, AND ANOTHER KEY PROVISION FOR THE ACCESSORY DAY HOME.

WE, UH, REMOVED THE AGE, AGE LIMITATION SO

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IT CAN ADDRESS ADULTS.

AND WE INCREASED FROM 10 ATTENDEE TO 12 BECAUSE STATE LICENSING RIGHT NOW RECOGNIZES FOR INTAKE OR FOR IN-HOME CARE, 12 IS A MAXIMUM, UH, OF 12.

SO WE WERE TRYING TO LIKE, UH, BE THE SAME AS STATE REGULATIONS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UM, SO NOW WE CREATED THIS USE THAT IS CALLED CHILD OR ADULT DAYCARE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY HAVE ANY IN THE SAME, SO JUST THAT THEY COVER THESE TWO TYPES OF FACILITIES IS A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES CARE, TRAINING, EDUCATION, CUSTODY TREATMENT, OR SUPERVISION FOR PERSONS OF ANY AGE WHO ARE NOT RELATED BY BLOOD MARRIAGE ADOPTION TO THE OWNER OF THE FACILITY, OPERATOR OF THE FACILITY, WHETHER OR NOT THE FACILITY IS OPERATING FOR PROFIT OR CHA CHARGES.

THE, UH, UH, THE SERVICES THAT IT OFFERS, THE STATE LICENSING WILL CONTINUE TO APPLY.

AS I SAID, ZONING DOESN'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER THAT.

UM, AND ALL THE OTHER PERMANENT FIRE SAFETY, ALL OF THOSE.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND WE SAID THAT IT WILL BE ALLOWED BY WRITING AND RESIDENTIAL RETAIL CENTRAL AREA, MIXED USE, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL OFFICE URBAN CORRIDORS.

AND AS I WAS SAYING, WE SAID BY SUP, BUT CITY COUNCIL ALREADY BEFORE IT WAS HELD, THEY MADE A MOTION TO ALLOW IT BY RUNNING INDUSTRIAL AREAS AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UH, JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, THE MASS IN COMPATIBILITY, IF YOU CAN LOOK ON THE SLIDE, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU ARE IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, THE LOT COVERAGE, WHICH, WHICH MEANS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT CAN ONLY OCCUPY 40% OF THE LOT.

RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CODE, IT CAN OCCUPY IF YOU ARE AN INSTITUTIONAL USE, WHICH MEANS AN ADDITIONAL, UH, AN ADULT DAYCARE, YOU CAN OCCUPY UP TO 60%.

WHAT WE SAID IS LIKE, IF IT'S BY RIGHT AND NOT BY SUP, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S COMPATIBLE.

LET'S HAVE THE SAME BUILDING FOOTPRINT PERCENTAGE, WHICH IS 40%.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE DID.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE THE SAME.

AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE ADDRESSES HEIGHT.

AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE AN INSTITUTIONAL USE AND AN INSTITUTIONAL USE MIND YOU, IS A SCHOOL, A CHURCH, A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF OTHER USES.

YOU CAN GO UP TO ANY HEIGHT IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

WHAT WE SAID IS FOR THIS USE, IF WE, IF WE DON'T, UH, HAVE THE SUP REQUIREMENT, LET'S HAVE THE SAME HEIGHT AS IT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS IN SOME CASES IT'S 36.

IN SOME CASES IT'S 30.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WON'T END UP WITH LIKE TALL, UH, BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UM, SO ARE OTHER ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS BECAUSE THEY WILL APPLY TO PROCESSING, THEY WILL APPLY TO THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES.

THEY HAVE REGULAR FOR THESE FACILITIES.

THEY HAVE REGULAR INSPECTIONS BY STATE, UH, AND HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, NO PARKING IN THE FRONT, FRONT YARD OR DISCONNECTED PARKING LOTS.

THEIR RULE WILL APPLY SCREEN, DUMPSTER AND PARKING LOT TO SIDE AND REAR PROPERTIES.

PERIMETER LANDSCAPE OFFERS, UH, MONUMENT AND DETACHED SIGNS.

ONLY KNOW ALL SIGNS, WHICH IS THEY GO BY THE SAME RULES.

AND AS, UM, RESIDENTIAL SIGNS, UH, AND UNOBSTRUCTED FRONTIERS MUST BE AS DEEP AS THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING JUST TO AGAIN, MAKE SURE THAT IT THEY'RE COMPATIBLE IN IN FORM.

RIGHT.

UM, WE ALSO ADDED A PROVISION AND , SO I NEED TO, TO CHANGE THAT.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TYPO, IS TO ENSURE THAT THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ARE NOT HAPPENING OVERNIGHT.

SO AFTER 10:00 PM BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM NO OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES ARE PERMITTED.

LIKE, UM, THE CHILDCARE, THEY TEND TO HAVE, UM, THEY MUST HAVE OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND, RIGHT? UH, AND THEN WE PUT A PATH TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN CASE THEY NEED, UM, ANYTHING ADJUSTED IN THE CODE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WHAT WAS OUR RATIONALE? SO WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR REPORT IS MORE OF A DEMOGRAPHIC TYPE OF INFORMATION.

AND CITY COUNCIL TOLD US, UM, LET'S LOOK AT THE NEED MORE THAN JUST THE WAY THE DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS ARE TRENDING.

SO ON TOP, ON TOP OF THIS, WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE DECEMBER 13TH, WE ARE TRYING TO TALK TO AND ENGAGE WITH A LOT OF ASSOCIATIONS OR CENTERS THAT OFFER, OFFER THIS TYPE OF CARE AND ASK THEM, HOW DO YOU OPERATE? WHAT ARE YOUR WAITING LISTS? UH, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS? LIKE, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US, IS THIS A GOOD PROPOSAL? WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO WE DID ENGAGE WITH A LOT OF THESE THINGS TO JESSICA GALA WHO PUT US IN CONTACT.

SO AGAIN, WE ALL KNOW THIS DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS FOR THE LAST CENSUS AND HOW THE POPULATION IS AGING.

WHAT ARE THE ESTIMATES THAT, UH, AT SOME POINT THE POPULATION THAT IS AGING IS GONNA, UH, BE BIGGER THAN THE POPULATION THAT IS UNDER 18.

AND HOW THE, THE PYRAMID OF AGES IS

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KIND OF LIKE BECOMING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

SO BEYOND THAT, WHAT WE FOUND OUT FROM OTHER OPERATOR OPERATORS ARE A LOT OF THINGS, AND I'M GONNA READ THEM AND I PROMISE YOU I'M GONNA DO A FRIDAY MEMO WITH THIS FINDINGS IS JUST THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT A LOT RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY TOLD US THAT ONE THIRD OF THE CALLS ARE FOR RISK RESPITE CARE, AND THEY CANNOT HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY CANNOT FIND THE SPOT IN THE EXISTING FACILITIES FOR THEM.

WE TALKED TO OPERATORS THAT HAVE SOME CENTERS IN DALLAS, BUT ALSO IN THE METROPLEX, AND THEY SAID WE, WE DON'T HAVE A SPOT FOR THEM.

UM, WE PLACE THEM ON WAITING LISTS.

UM, BUT SOMETIMES MOST OF THE TIMES THE WAITING LINK LISTS ARE ALSO LIMITED BY VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE THESE ARE USUALLY CENTERS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY FOR PROFIT.

THEY ARE MISSION DRIVEN.

UM, THEY BASICALLY WANNA OFFER A SERVICE AND THEY NEED THE RATIO OF CARE GIVER IN SUCH A FACILITY WITH THE SENIOR THAT NEEDS RESPITE CARE IS ONE PER ONE.

SO THEY RELY HEAVILY ON VOLUNTEERS AND SOMETIMES IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND THOSE.

SO THEY SAID, WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS.

IT'S NOT JUST LOCATION.

IT'S A LOT THAT THEY NEED RIGHT NOW TO, TO ADDRESS THE NEED THAT THEY SEE.

UM, AS I SAID, THIS IS A MISSION DRIVEN TYPE OF SERVICE THAT THEY ARE FOCUSING ON THE SERVICE.

THEY'RE NOT FOR PROFIT AND THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT MONEY MAKING.

THEY TOLD US BLUNTLY.

UM, THEY USUALLY, UM, SOMETIMES THEY ARE LIKE WITH CHURCHES ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER TYPE OF, UM, MAKE, UH, OTHER TYPE OF FACILITIES THAT CAN HELP MAINTAIN THEIR SERVICES.

UM, THE COSTS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS TYPE OF SERVICES, A LOT OF PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY NOT, UH, NOT HAVING OPTIONS FOR FACILITIES THEY SOMETIMES HAVE TO RELY ON AT-HOME CAREGIVING.

THE COST BETWEEN AT-HOME CAREGIVING AND A FACILITY CAREGIVING IS SOMETHING, THEY GAVE US SOME NUMBERS.

, THEY SAID THAT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, AT SUCH A FACILITY, YOU CAN HAVE UP $7 A DAY AND THEY OFFER TWO MEALS A SNACK, AND THEY MUST FOR STATE, UH, LICENSING, THEY MUST HAVE NURSES, THEY MUST DO ACTIVITIES LIKE IT'S A FULL CYCLE TYPE OF, UH, SERVICE.

AS OPPOSED, IF YOU HIRE SOMEBODY AT HOME, THEY SAID IT CAN BE LIKE $20 AN HOUR AND THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE NURSING ACTIVITIES OR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO IT'S COST BURDEN.

THEY WERE ALL EAGER TO LET US KNOW THAT.

UM, THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS THE FAMILY THAT IS THE CAREGIVER IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO ADJUST THEIR WORK SCHEDULES AND THERE IS A LOT OF DATA.

AND I WILL TELL YOU SOME OF THEM WITH THE IMPACT THAT, UH, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE, THEY CANNOT FIND A PLACE IN FACILITIES DURING THE DAY.

ALSO, THEY WERE ALL VERY EAGER TO TELL US THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE BIGGEST NEED THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS AND THE TRENDS THAT THEY SEE COMING IS ACTUALLY AN INCREASING POPULATION WITH DEMENTIA.

AND THEY SAID 60% OF PEOPLE WITH DEMENTIA LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S HOW THEY PREFER AND WITH THEIR FAMILIES.

AND YOU CAN LIVE UP TO 20 YEARS WITH THE DEMENTIA.

SO THIS IS A LONG TERM TYPE OF CAREGIVING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN A WAY.

UM, THEY SAID THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNREPORTED DATA BECAUSE THIS TYPE OF, UM, SITUATION HAS A LOT OF STIGMA TO IT.

SO THEY'RE LIKE, EVERYBODY IS GATHERING INFORMATION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE INCLUSIVE DATA YET BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T USUALLY REPORT, UM, IS THAT FOR EACH DEMENTIA PERSON, THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE BEHIND, THEY NEED THAT NEED TO SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS.

AND THEN THEY MOVED ON TO CAREGIVERS.

THEY TOLD US 20%, THE 23% OF THE CAREGIVERS ARE WORKING POPULATION BETWEEN 18 AND 49 50 1% REPORT BURNOUT AND WORK ISSUES DUE TO CHANGE THE SCHEDULING AND ALL OF THAT.

UH, AND 41% OF THE CAREGIVERS THAT, UH, PARTICIPATED, THEY SAID THAT THEY HAVE AN INCOME THAT'S UNDER 50,000 PER YEAR.

UM, SO ALL THE CAREGIVERS THAT ALL THE, UM, UM, OPERATORS WE TALKED TO, THEY TOLD US THAT THEY SEE, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE REPORTING FROM THE EXPERTS, IS THAT IT'LL PLACE A STRAIN.

IT ALREADY PLACE A STRAIN ON THE WORKFORCE.

UM, THEY SAID THAT, FOR INSTANCE, REMEMBER AFTER COVID THERE WERE, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT DOWN IN THE WORKFORCE COMING BACK TO WORK.

THEY SAID, BECAUSE COVID ALSO AFFECTED OLDER POPULATION, THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION TO COME BACK TO WORK BECAUSE THEY NEED TO STAY HOME TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR LOVED ONES.

SO, UM, THEY SAID, OBVIOUSLY THEY GO

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AND THEY WERE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO US WHAT IS THE STRAIN ON THE ECONOMY.

LIKE, UH, UNEMPLOYMENT RATES ARE GROWING.

UM, THE, THE, THE LABOR COSTS ARE GROWING, SO WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL THAT DO OFFER, OFFER MORE TYPE OF SERVICES LIKE THIS.

THEY ALSO SAID THAT OBVIOUSLY IN DESPERATE SITUATIONS, PEOPLE WILL DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO.

SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THESE TYPE OF CENTERS EXIST RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE NOT LICENSED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THINGS ARE HAPPENING BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED WORK.

THEY NEED INCOME, THEY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR LOVED ONES.

UM, THEY SAID ALSO THEN AN ADULT DAYCARE OUT OF SOMEBODY'S HOME IS NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S SO, UH, STATE REGULATED DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

BUT WHAT THEY WANT, IF THE ZONING DOESN'T REQUIRE AN SUP, THEY WANNA GO INTO LIKE INSTITUTIONS THAT HAVE A, A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE OR COUPLED WITH OTHER TYPE OF BUILDINGS THAT ALREADY EXIST AND ADAPTIVE USE THAT WANT TO OFFER THE CARE.

THEY SAID, KEEP IN MIND THIS IS AGAIN, NON-FOR-PROFIT FOR THEM TEARING DOWN AND REBUILDING THIS OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE THEY NEED TO TO GO QUICK.

AND THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NEXT MEETINGS, RIGHT? SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT EXIST IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SO THEY'RE CLOSER TO THE FAMILIES.

THEY SAID THAT THEY ALSO, UH, HAVE SEEN THAT, UH, IT'S NOT A DAY LONG TYPE OF SITUATION IN A LOT OF CASES.

SOMETIMES IT'S JUST FEW HOURS.

IT DEPENDS.

SO IT'S AGAIN, DAY TYPE OF ADULT CARE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO THIS IS NEXT SLIDE IS JUST TO SUM IT UP.

UM, WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING IS NOT TO HAVE BY SUP AND RESIDENTIAL AND TO ALLOW IT BY RIGHT.

KEEP IN MIND, UH, WE PUT SOME, UM, UM, REGULATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE MASSING IS, UH, CONSISTENT.

LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I HAVE SLIDES ABOUT CHILDCARES THAT COFFEE FROM THE DAY, ADULT DAYCARE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, NO.

OKAY.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS COMMISSION IS VERY FAR OUR SENIOR AFFAIRS SITUATIONS AND WE NEED THEM.

WE NEED THESE ADULT DAYCARES.

I JUST THINK WE'RE, WE'RE BLEEDING OVER INTO THE OVERLAY OF ZONING WITH JUST, OH, OKAY, I'M GONNA PUT THIS IN NEXT DOOR AND I'M GOING, I DON'T HAVE TO ALERT MY NEIGHBORS RIGHT HERE.

I, I JUST, I FIND THAT INCONGRUENT, INCONGRUOUS, INCONGRUOUS A LITTLE BIT.

UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY FOR THIS.

UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE NONPROFITS.

I THINK THERE'S A CERTAINLY SHORTFALL IN THE, UM, RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY WITH EMPTY BUILDINGS MANY TIMES, FIVE FULL DAYS A WEEK.

UM, SO I LIKE THAT IDEA.

I JUST, MY HEARTBURN IS IN THE SUP, JUST NOT BEING, I MEAN, I JUST, I I JUST DON'T FIND THAT BEING A, UH, A FIT.

I'M CERTAINLY FOR THE DAYCARE CENTERS.

WE'VE ALL EITHER HAD RELATIVES OR WHATEVER IN THESE SITUATIONS, BUT THAT'S, UH, AND WITH THIS I UNDERSTAND RESPITE CARE.

I, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SERVICE.

I UNDERSTAND THE COST WOULD BE A FIXED $70, YOU'RE SAYING SORT OF A DAY VERSUS $20 IS AN ACTIVE PER HOUR.

PER HOUR, RIGHT? SO SOMEWHERE AT HOME, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY STATEMENT.

WHO'S NEXT TO THE I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE PLEASE.

YOU GO.

AND RATHER THAN EXPRESS THE OPINION, UH, IT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ANYBODY CAN DO THIS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE HOME IN WHICH THEY RESIDE ALREADY BY, RIGHT.

THEY CAN DO, THEY CANNOT DO ADULT DAYCARE.

AS I SHOWED YOU THE DEFINITION.

IF YOU'RE OFFERING OVER FOUR CARE FOR OVER 14-YEAR-OLD, YOU CANNOT.

SO THEY CAN DO, UM, BABY HOMES FOR KIDS THAT ARE UNDER 14 AS LONG AS THERE ARE 12 OR 10 KIDS.

AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STATE LICENSING.

SO, SO I WAS MISINFORMED.

SO ON ADULT DAYCARE, IT IS BASICALLY WITH, UNLESS THERE'S AN SUP FOR IT, THERE, IT IS BANNED FROM ALL RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

YES.

YES.

IS THAT RIGHT? UNLESS IT'S IN A CHURCH THAT'S ON CHURCH PROPERTY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY.

IF THEY NEED A CERTIFICATE

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OF OCCUPANCY, THEY CANNOT.

SO THEY CAN DO IT AS AN ANCILLARY USE TO THE CHURCH FOR ONLY AS THEIR SERVICE.

BUT IF YOU WANNA HAVE LIKE LEAST A, A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR CHURCH OR THEIR CHURCH IN DIFFERENT DAYS AND TO HAVE TO OFFER THE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU NEED A SEPARATE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANTS, IF NOT YOU NEED AN SUV.

OKAY.

BUT, BUT A CHURCH COULD OFFER THAT AS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY PROVIDE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AS A LI AS A LIMITED, IF IT'S UNDER THEIR BAPTIST, BAPTIST CHURCH ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY DOES IT? TEMPLE EMANUEL DOES THAT.

UH, IT'S PART OF THEIR PROGRAMS. AND THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR YEAH, NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.

NORTH HAVEN.

NOT NORTH HAVEN, BUT PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH ON CENTRAL DOES IT DOES IT TOO.

UM, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THOUGH IS HOW MANY ADULT DAYCARE CENTERS ARE, ARE THERE WITH SUVS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY WITH AN SUP AND IN PHOTO PER THE H-H-H-H-S DATA, WE HAVE HAND IN THE CITY OF TOWN.

HOW COULD THEY HAVE AN SP I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED NOW, RIGHT? IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE IN AREAS WHERE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIDE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, OH, INDUSTRIAL.

OH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THE QUESTION THAT IS, WAS IN FRONT OF US STAFF AND CITY PLAN COMMISSION WAS THIS IS A SERVICE THAT IS ALSO NEEDED IN ALLOCATION THAT'S CLOSER TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, CLOSER TO THEIR HOMES.

AND, UH, WE FOUND THAT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I, YOU'LL EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE RIGHT, WHY NOT DO THE SUP? I MEAN, WHAT IF, IF THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE, SO IF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR SELLS AND, UH, AN ADULT CARE CENTER WANTS TO BUY THAT HOUSE, THEY WOULD APPLY FOR AN SUP.

SO WHY WOULD WE DO I, I MEAN, I'M CONFUSED.

WHY WOULD WE DO AWAY WITH THAT? BECAUSE TALKING TO OPERATORS, UM, IT IS A PRO, IT'S A HURDLE.

AND THE PROCESS THAT USUALLY THEIR BUSINESS OR DISCOURAGES THEM TO COME INTO THAT LIST, FOUR TO SIX MONTHS IS A LONG WAIT PERIOD.

USUALLY IF YOU BUILD IT, FOR INSTANCE, I WILL SWITCH TO DAYCARE FACILITY CHILDCARE FACILITIES BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE OF THOSE, UH, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE YEARS THAT WE ARE DOING SUVS, THERE ARE DESPERATE SITUATIONS.

THEY'RE COMING TO US FOR THEM FOUR TO SIX MONTHS IS A LOT BECAUSE THEY APPLY FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDING AND IT'S, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

AND USUALLY LIKE THE FUNDING MAY TERMINATE.

THEY ARE NOT THIS BIG CORPORATION THAT THEY CAN, UH, AFFORD THE LUXURY OR THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MONEY ALREADY.

UM, SO ONE IS THE TIME PERIOD THAT IT TAKES YOU TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S LONG FOR THEM AND THE COST THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THEY NEED TO LIKE PRODUCE A CYCLONE AND ALL OF THAT.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE WE'VE NEVER SEEN ISSUES WITH THES.

WHAT WE, WE'VE DONE THEM.

LIKE, AND THEN I ASK CO COMPLIANCE, LIKE DO YOU SEE, DO WE HAVE ISSUES WITH, UH, CHILDCARE OR ADULT DAYCARES OPERATING IN NEIGHBORHOODS OR WHEREVER THEY'RE OPERATING RIGHT NOW? WE'VE NEVER SEEN, NOBODY HAS ISSUES WITH THEM.

IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S THIS PRESSING NEED AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE ACCOMMODATED BY ELIMINATING AS MANY HURDLES AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU ADDRESS THE SUP ISSUE? WHY WOULD YOU DO, YOU DID DO WITH A CITY.

YEAH.

PERMITS PERMITS HAVE COME DOWN TREMENDOUSLY.

BUT IT WAS BECAUSE WE ALL RAISED A BIG STINK.

WE DIDN'T, BUT OUR DEVELOPER FRIENDS DID.

AND SO YEAH.

YEAH, I WAS, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WE DON'T SEE, LIKE, IN OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, WE DON'T SEE THAT THE SUP UH, IS NOTHING MORE THAN JUST A HURDLE AND THE DISCOURAGEMENT FOR THEM TO OPERATE AT THEIR LOCATIONS.

WE TALKED TO A FEW OF THEM AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE LIKE, I CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT FOUR MONTHS IN HERE.

LET ME GO IN A RETAIL STRIP OR LET ME GO IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.

AND THAT'S LIKE WHEN YOU NEED CHILDCARE.

LIKE WHEN I CAME INTO THE CITY, I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING IN HERE OTHER THAN, OR IF YOU NEED IT, THAT'S NON-RELIGIOUS.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

LIKE WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THESE ISSUES AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING, THAT'S WHY OUR PROPOSAL IS IS THE SUP HELPING HOW, AND OTHER THAN I, I CAN'T, I, WE COULDN'T FIND LIKE THE LICENSING IS THERE INSPECTION IS THERE, WELL, THERE ARE ARE 14

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DISTRICTS, AND I'M JUST GOING TO PULL A NUMBER.

FIVE OF 'EM ARE NOT GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS AT ALL.

BUT DISTRICT TWO, WHERE I LIVE IS GOING TO BE, BUT THAT'S A GREAT PLACE.

THERE'S A STRONG DEMAND THROUGH THE AGE OF THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DIE IN PLACE AGE OF THE POPULATION.

AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT FOR SOMEBODY KNOCKING ON THE DOOR SAYING, OH, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, DID YOU NOT KNOW? WELL, NO, WE HAVE A PROCESS CITY.

YOU'VE GOT TO LET SO MANY PEOPLE WITHIN THAT LOCATION BECAUSE I FOUGHT 'EM OFF IN SOME SHOPPING CENTERS BEFORE AND I FOUGHT FOR THEM IN SHOPPING CENTERS THAT WERE TOO CLOSE FOR WHATEVER.

THAT'S JUST WHAT I THINK WE ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF OUR OWN DISTRICT.

WHAT DOES THIS, COULD THIS POSSIBLY MEAN IN TERMS, GRANTED, WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE A WONDERFUL REPORT HERE THAT SAYS WE HAVE A STRONG NEED FOR SENIOR DAYCARE CENTERS.

WE NEED 'EM BADLY CRYING.

BUT DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO CIRCUMVENT A SITUATION WHERE I THINK I WOULD WANT TO KNOW AS A RESIDENT AND IN DISTRICT, I I HAVE, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

I I WHY IS IT THAT CHILDCARE CENTERS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

IN A HOME THAT'S OCCUPIED BY THAT, THAT THAT'S OCCUPIED.

BUT ADULT DAYCARE IS NOT.

I I DON'T KNOW.

THIS WAS, IT IS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

AND AND WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN DURING THIS PLANNING PROCESS TO JUST CHANGE IT SO THAT ADULT DAYCARE CENTERS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT, RIGHT.

IF THEY'RE BEING OPERATED BY THE RESIDENT OF THE HOME? YES.

AND THAT'S PART OF OUR PROPOSAL AS I HAVE IT ON ONE OF THE SLIDES.

I SAID, WE'RE AMENDING THE DEFINITION FOR ACCESSORY DAY HOMES TO NOT HAVE AN AGE LIMITATION, THEREFORE ADDRESS THE ADULT DAYCARE NEEDS AS WELL.

AND, AND THAT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT AN SUP, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT YES.

YES.

I JUST IN RELATION TO THAT, I, I KNOW, BUT THIS SAYS YOUR, YOUR THINGS YOU HANDED OUT.

THIS SAYS, UM, ADULT DAYCARE PROVIDES CARE SUPERVISION FOR FIVE EM MORE PERSON.

SO DOES THAT MEAN IF YOU'RE CARING FOR FOUR OR LESS, YOU CAN DO IT? I THINK SO.

SORRY, I, I KNOW I CUT YOU OFF, BUT , THEY ALSO , TRYING TO LEAN IN TOWARDS THE CAMERA FOR YOU, BUT, UM, OH, OKAY.

YOU GOTTA BE ON CAMERA.

SORRY.

.

OKAY.

SO SARAH MAY, UM, PLENTY REDESIGN JUST FOR THE RECORD FROM ALL THAT.

UM, SO IN OUR CODE, WE HAVE A DEFINITION BUR FAMILY, WHICH MEANS NOT MORE THAN FOUR UNRELATED PERSONS TO THE, UH, UH, HEAD OF THE HOUSE HOUSEHOLD.

AND SO A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES UNDER THAT KIND OF UMBRELLA OF LIKE, WELL, UP TO FOUR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T REALLY PART OF OUR FAMILY BY BLOOD MARRIAGE OR ADOPTION.

BUT THAT TYPICALLY GOES TO PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOME.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE VISITING YOUR HOME, THAT'S A, THAT'S A VERY GRAY AREA, AT LEAST IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE SIDE OF THE WORLD.

SO I'D SAY LIKE, IF, IF SENIORS ARE BEING CARED FOR IN SMALL QUANTITIES IN A PERSON'S HOME, OR JUST OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS IT VERY WELL, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY THAT'S PROHIBITED, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY IT'S LOUD EITHER.

SO, UM, THE PROPOSAL IS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY CAN BE CARED FOR WITHIN A HOME BY, RIGHT.

JUST LIKE WE WOULD CARE FOR CHILDREN UNDER 14.

AND, UM, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER USE CALLED A HANDICAP PROOF DWELLING UNIT.

AND THAT ALLOWS UP TO EIGHT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RELATED TO THE HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD TO LIVE IN A HOUSEHOLD.

AND THEY HAVE TO BE HANDICAPPED ACCORDING TO FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING AMENDMENTS, DEFINITIONS AND ALL THAT.

SO PEOPLE CAN EIGHT PEOPLE, EIGHT STRANGERS THAT ARE HANDICAPPED CAN LIVE TOGETHER, UM, BY RIGHT IN SINGLE FAMILY.

NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

NOT EVEN A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS REQUIRED.

SO ARE THERE STATE REGULATIONS? YES, IN BOTH CASES.

UM, OF UNDER, IF I WAS TAKING CARE OF FOUR OR LESS PE ADULTS IN MY HOME, DO I HAVE TO BE LICENSED? I THINK SO, YES.

YOU SHOULD SAY NOW.

I DON'T THINK SO TOO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.

NOT UNLESS SOMEONE TELLS YOU THAT'S ANOTHER WORD, .

I DIDN'T NEED TO, BUT I DID SEE FEEDBACK, SO I WONDERED.

YEAH, JUST

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REALLY QUICK FOR MY CLARITY, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME, I WAS ANOTHER MEETING THAT SOUNDED THAT AIRBNB, WHEN YOU WANNA BRING THIS STUFF INTO PEOPLE'S, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, SO JUST FOR CLARITY, SAY MY UNDERSTANDING ONLY FELL ASLEEP, ASHTON, IS THIS SOMETHING LIKE A GLORIFIED AIRBNB WHERE YOU'RE TAKING OUT NEIGHBORHOODS AND PUTTING THESE PEOPLE IN THERE AND THEN YOU SAYING THAT YOU DON'T NEED, IT'S SORT OF LIKE NOT AN UNDERCOVER HAVING PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING AFTER PEOPLE.

NO, WE, WE ARE, UH, SOUND LIKE A GROUP HOME OR SOMETHING.

NO, AS I SAID, THIS IS NOT THAT USE, THIS IS STRICTLY AN ADULT DAYCARE.

MM-HMM.

, UH, THAT MEETS THE DEFINITION.

NO, IT'S NOT AN UNDERCOVER ANYTHING.

WE SAW THE NEED.

UH, WE THINK WE HAVE THE SUP FOR CHILDCARE, FOR INSTANCE, FOR A LONG TIME WE SAW WHAT THEY DELIVERED AND WHAT DELIVERED IS NOT ENOUGH FACILITIES.

SO THEREFORE, FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT NOW, CITY OF DALLAS IS, UH, DECLARED AS A CHILDCARE DESERT.

RIGHT? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FACILITIES TO ADDRESS HOW MANY KIDS WOULD NEED FACILITIES.

OKAY.

WELL, IT'S JUST THAT I HAVE A CHURCH MEMBER THAT HAS A FACILITY STRICTLY THAT CAN HANDLE DAYCARE, UH, FOR ADULTS.

SO HOW WOULD SHE GO ABOUT TO GET HER THINGS UP AND STARTED? AND SHE HAD A DAYCARE OF A CHILDREN UNDER 14TH IN HER HOME, AND THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW HER TO DO THAT.

SHE HAD TO GO GET A ACTUAL BUILDING WHERE THE ZONING WAS FOR CHILDREN.

SO I'M JUST SAYING, HOW CAN NOW YOU CAN ALLOW THIS TO HAVE A HOME.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY.

YEAH.

SO IT DEPENDS ON THE, THE, THE LI THE STATE LICENSING FOR CHILDCARES, AND WE ARE MOVING TO CHILDCARES RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THERE IS A STATE LICENSING FOR IN-HOME CARE, WHICH IS LIKE UP TO 12 KIDS.

AND YOU CAN DO THAT AS LONG AGAIN, THEY HAVE A LONG LIST OF REGULATIONS, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SPACE AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT IF YOU DO A FULL FLEDGED FACILITY, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF LICENSING, THERE ARE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR KIDS.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE NURSES ON STAFF, THEY HAVE TO HAVE QUALIFIED PERSONNEL.

THEY, THERE IS A WHOLE THING.

SO THAT'S DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACILITY.

WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS LIKE, YOU CAN ALL, YOU CAN DO UP TO 10 RIGHT NOW, LET'S ALLOW THIS TYPE OF FACILITY THAT OFFERS A LITTLE BIT MORE SCRUTINY AND A LITTLE BIT MORE QUALIFIED PERSONNEL TO COME AND, UH, OPEN FACILITIES IF THERE IS A NEED IN CERTAIN AREAS.

WAIT JUST A MINUTE, IS THERE ANYBODY ON SCREEN THAT HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT ON ALL THIS? I DO NOT.

OKAY.

CARMEN, DID YOU? SHE WAS MUTE.

S YOU'RE ON MUTE.

YOU MUTE? NO, YOU'RE ON MUTE.

CARMEN.

CARMEN, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU'RE ON MUTE.

SORRY.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY PEOPLE COME TO THE MEETINGS.

SHE WAS SPEAKING.

LISA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? MY MAIN QUESTION IS WHY, OR LIKE MY DISTRICT JUST HEARING ABOUT THIS NOW, I MEAN, WAS PAULA BLACKMAN AND JESSE MORENO SINCE WE'VE KIND OF BLEED INTO TWO? WERE WE, WAS THERE NOT ANY KIND OF TOWN HALL? I MEAN, I'M GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM NEIGHBORS.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD RUMORS ABOUT THIS.

WE'VE HEARD RUMORS.

SO I WRITE THE OFFICE, COME BACK WITH, OH, WELL IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

WE HAD, AS I SAID, WE HAD, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH ZONING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WE STARTED IN A, UH, WE DO LET KNOW THE COUNCIL OFFICES.

UH, WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE PROCESSES.

WE'RE ALSO LIKE TRYING TO, UH, UM, BE PARTNERS WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES SO THEY CAN LET THEIR COMMUNITIES KNOW.

NO, NO FAULT TO OURS.

IT, IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE.

OH, NO, NO.

I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT NOW.

I'M SA I'M KIND OF THROWING MY COUNCIL PERSON UNDER THE BUS BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANY, YOU KNOW, PAST MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, ZONE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MEETINGS REGARDING THIS.

AND I MEAN, FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE MIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE A PRIME TARGET, BUT THEY'RE NOT TOO THRILLED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING, ANY TYPE OF CARE IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT OUR LESSON LEARNED WAS FROM COUNCIL, MEANING ON THE DECEMBER 13TH, THEY ASKED US ABOUT MORE ENGAGEMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY TOMORROW NIGHT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A, I WOULDN'T CALL IT A TOWN HALL, IT'S A COMMUNITY MEETING.

WE DISTRIBUTED A FEW TIMES VIA COUNCIL OFFICES AS WELL.

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SO TOMORROW BETWEEN SIX AND SEVEN VIA WEBEX, IT'S OPEN FOR EVERYBODY.

WE'RE GONNA GIVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION AND THEN OPENING UP FOR QUESTIONS AND INPUT, AND THEN WEDNESDAY AT NOON AS WELL.

AND I CAN, I CAN ASK, UH, I MEAN WE CAN YOU, WE CAN SEND IT TO ALL OF YOU, WHICH JUST HAS PERMISSION.

YEAH.

IF YOU WOULD.

OH, PLEASE DO, PLEASE, PLEASE.

YEAH, YOU DID TOO.

SO YOU, THAT'S GOOD.

MINE GOT ANSWERED SOMEHOW.

SO, UM, YOU ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF THE NONPROFITS THAT YOU SPOKE TO, BUT, BUT IN YOUR PROPOSAL, HAVE YOU LIMITED THIS TO NONPROFITS? WE CAN, BECAUSE IT'S LAND USE.

AND IF LAND, YOU CANNOT, LIKE, MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN FINANCING AND ALL OF THAT.

IT'S A, AS I SAID, IT'S A FACILITY, RIGHT? RIGHT.

IT'S A FACILITY.

SO, SO YOU, YOU, UM, BUT TO GET YOUR RESEARCH WAS ONLY WITH NONPROFITS.

OUR RESEARCH WAS WITH PROVIDERS IS NOT WITH NONPROFITS, BUT WE TALKED A LOT.

MOST OF THEM HAVE THEIR OWN RESEARCH PEOPLE.

SO THEY'RE, UH, IT WAS WITH PROVIDERS, IT WASN'T, WE TALKED TO, FOR INSTANCE, WITH JULIA POWER COMMUNITIES, THEY HAVE A WHOLE, IT'S A NONPROFIT.

IT, IT, THEY HAVE A WHOLE SITE WITH, UM, RESEARCH.

AND WE TOLD US WHAT THEY FOUND OUT AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE NETWORK.

SO, UM, WE TRUSTED, WE WERE EXPERIENCING TO THE OPERATION.

UM, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? MAY I SAY SOMETHING? HELLO? I I'M CUTTING IT.

I I JUST HEARD YOUR VOICE.

UH, BUT IT'S CUTTING IN AND OUT.

UM, THIS STUDY THAT YOU SEE, WELL, HELLO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? , WE'VE LOST VIDEO AND AUDIO WITH THE ALL MINE IS NOT THAT I CAN'T HEAR OR SPEAK ELSE.

I'VE DEALT WITH A LOT OF THAT.

IT KEEPS CUTTING IN AND OUT.

NOW IT'S COMPLETELY UP.

OKAY.

, I DON'T KNOW.

I, I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS, AND EVEN MOST RECENTLY I'VE HELPED TWO DIFFERENT FRIENDS WITH THEIR DEMENTIA PATIENTS.

I'M GOING TO SAY TOO, THAT I WAS CONTACTED BY FOWLER HOMES.

I DIDN'T REACH OUT TO THEM, BUT, UH, I WAS CONTACTED BY FOWLER HOMES AND THEY TOLD ME ABOUT THEIR EFFORTS TO, UH, TRY TO SET UP ADULT DAYCARE.

THAT IT'S VERY COSTLY.

THEY ARE DOING THIS AS A, THEY'RE CONSIDERING THIS AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE.

THEY ARE IN A, UH, MULTIFAMILY ZONING.

SO IF AS PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, UH, THE SUP IS NOT REQUIRED IN MULTIFAMILY ZONING, THEN THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND I WOULD ASSUME SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES OF THEIR NATURE ARE IN THE SAME CASE.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS A HUGE, HUGE PROBLEM.

AND, UH, I WATCHED, I WATCHED THIS WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.

I THEN WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE HEARING AT THE CPC.

UM, MY WHOLE IMPRESSION WAS WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE THE DAYCARE AND ADULT DAYCARE PROBLEM WITH ZONING.

AND THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.

I JUST HAPPENED TO HEAR A REPORT THIS MORNING ON KERA, UH, THAT THERE ARE NURSING HOMES THAT ARE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET ENOUGH STAFF.

I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON ADULT, ON CHILDCARE STAFF, THE COST OF STAFF.

AND THEN DURING COVID CENTERS CLOSED DOWN, PEOPLE ENDED UP GETTING A JOB IN RETAIL AND THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK TO CHILDCARE.

SO STAFFING IS THE FIRST BIG PROBLEM.

THERE'S OTHERS, BUT THE ZONING IS NOT GONNA NECESSARILY SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE YOU ALL LIVE TO SCHOOLS, AND I KNOW SCHOOLS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT THERE'S SOME SIMILARITIES.

I, I LIVED, UH, JUST AROUND THE BLOCK FROM A, A SCHOOL, UH, WHAT WAS A CHURCH? IT IS NOW A CHARTER SCHOOL.

AND I WAS OUT WALKING ONE DAY.

YOU COULD NOT GET DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, YOU COULD NOT GET DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

STREET CARS WERE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND PARKED.

I SAW PEOPLE START TO TURN DOWN BECAUSE THAT STREET LED TO EAST GRAND, WHICH IS A BUSY STREET, AND THEY BACK UP AND TURN AROUND.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYBODY

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TRYING TO GET HOME DID OR TRYING TO GET OUT OF THEIR PARKING OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.

SO THIS DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

AND IT IS A HUGE HINDRANCE TO NEIGHBORHOODS.

I CAN TELL YOU BACK WHEN I WAS DOING LICENSING, WHICH WAS YEARS AGO, AND THE STATE WAS DIFFERENT THEN THERE ARE A LOT OF VIOLATIONS AND IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS TO COMPLY.

CHURCHES ARE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT.

A LOT OF CHURCHES OPEN FOR PROFIT, MAKING OTHERS OPEN AS A SERVICE.

MY CHURCH HAD A DAYCARE CENTER FOR YEARS AND WE FINALLY CLOSED BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAME, WE LIVED IT.

WE WERE ALMOST AT PEAK.

AND ROSS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAME SO DETERIORATED THAT PEOPLE WERE AFRAID TO LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN WITH US.

I DON'T BLAME 'EM.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DRUG DEALERS AND PROSTITUTES ON CHILDCARE FRIENDLY .

BUT THIS IS NOT GONNA SOLVE IT.

AND, AND I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

UH, WHY DID YOU NOT RECOMMEND THE ZAC TO A RECOMMENDATION? WHY DID YOU NOT CARRY THAT ON TO CPC? I MEAN, I THOUGHT ZAC RECOMMENDED THAT YOU HAVE THE SUP IN THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.

SO MS. RUSS, RIGHT? YES.

YES.

SORRY, THIS IS KIND OF FAR.

SURE.

THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU.

UM, YOU ARE CORRECT.

UM, ZAC RECOMMENDED TO ONLY REMOVE THE SEP REQUIREMENT FOR THESE FACILITIES IN THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.

THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT IS BECAUSE ONLY A TINY PERCENT OF THE CITY IS ACTUALLY ZONED MULTIFAMILY.

AND OUT OF ALL THE CENTERS THAT ARE IN MULTIFAMILY, THERE'S ONLY SEVEN CHILDCARE FACILITIES IN THE WHOLE CITY.

THERE'S NO ADULT DAYCARE FACILITIES.

MM-HMM.

, THERE'S ONLY SEVEN CHILDCARE FACILITIES IN MULTIFAMILY.

UH, THREE OF THEM HAVE AN SUP.

SO ONLY 43% OF CHILDCARE FACILITIES IN MULTIFAMILY ACTUALLY HAVE THIS.

OH, PLEASE START GUIDE.

SUP OR ELSE THE WORLD'S GONNA CAVE IN.

ALSO IN SINGLE FAMILY, WE HAVE 80 CHILDCARE FACILITIES.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY FOR YOUR RECORD.

IN THE CITY.

OKAY.

IN SINGLE FAMILY DAYCARE CENTERS OR ARE THEY DAYCARE HOMES? THIS IS CHILDCARE FACILITIES.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADULT DAYCARE FACILITIES.

NO, NO.

BUT ARE THEY DAYCARE HOMES OR DAYCARE CENTERS? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CENTERS.

OKAY, SO WHAT THE TEXAS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES YES.

YES.

CALLS A, UM, A LICENSED CHILDCARE PROGRAM.

OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THERE'S 80 OF THOSE IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

ONLY 25% OF THOSE ACTUALLY HAVE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE 75% OUR CHILDCARE FACILITIES WORKING UNDER SOME LOOPHOLE SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AN FUD, LIKE THEY'RE IN A CHURCH, THEY'RE IN A SCHOOL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

UM, SO I, I WOULD ARGUE THE MAJORITY REALLY ISN'T THAT GREAT AT REGULATING THEM.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REGULATING THEM.

IT'S, SUP REQUIRES COMMUNITY INPUT, ISN'T IT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE.

SO I, I GOT ASKED ABOUT THIS AND I'M THE ONE THAT REALLY RAISED THIS.

RIGHT? AND THEN MY NEIGHBORS ARE KILLING ME, UM, AND FURIOUS AT OUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING, ARE WE SERIOUSLY GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC ON THESE STREETS? ARE WE SERIOUSLY, CAN SOMEONE JUST BUY THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AND PUT A, WITHOUT ME KNOWING ABOUT IT? SO I THINK IT'S NOT THE REGULATION ISSUE, IT'S THE INPUT ISSUE, UM, THAT SEEMS TO HAVE EVERYBODY CONCERNED.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT OUR THINKING IS THAT IF YOU GET THEM AS CLOSE TO HOME, WE WOULD ACTUALLY DISCOURAGE TRAFFIC.

BECAUSE IF YOU PUT THEM IN ALL THIS CENTRALIZED LOCATION, YOU KIND LIKE HAVE TO DRIVE THERE.

SO USUALLY IN ORDER FOR YOU TO ENCOURAGE ACCESS TO THIS TYPE, AND I'M TALKING ACCESS, UH, LIKE TO GO TO THERE, BUT ALSO LIKE PHYSICAL ACCESS, HOW TO GO THERE.

UH, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE A FULL TYPE OF SERVICES IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED.

SO, UH, OUR, OUR INTENT AND WHEN WE'RE PROPOSING THIS TYPE OF THINGS, WE'RE THINKING IF IT'S CLOSER TO HOME, IT MEANS THAT IT'S WALKABLE, IT'S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.

THAT WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO ADDRESS.

WELL, WELL, THE SUP DOES NOT PREVENT THAT.

AND I RECENTLY, UH, MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A SCHOOL THAT WENT THROUGH THE SUI MEAN, AND, AND YOU ALSO, YOU CAN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COUNCIL CAN GRANT AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS.

I MEAN, I THINK THE IDEA IS TO LET THE FACILITY OR PROGRAM WHATEVER, WHETHER IT'S THE TATTOO PARLOR OR A BAR OR DAYCARE, OPERATE FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND

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SEE HOW THEY'RE GONNA OPERATE AND THEN THEY CAN GO GET THE AUTOMATIC RE RE RENEWAL.

AND THIS PARTICULAR SCHOOL OVERLOOKED REAPPLYING, AND I WENT THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS WITH THEM AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IMPORTANT.

NOW THE SCHOOL IS A REAL FRIEND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THERE WAS NOT A ONE OPPOSITION, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AND SO, I MEAN, TO THE COMMISSION, I THINK WE'RE SAYING THIS IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE THING TO ELIMINATE IN RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY, I WATCHED, UH, THE PLAN COMMISSION.

I THINK THE, THE, THE MOTION THAT MS, UH, HAMPTON MADE REGARDING HOSPITAL DISTRICTS IS APPROPRIATE.

THERE WAS A WOMAN ON THE PLAN COMMISSION THAT DID SPEAK TO HAVING CHILDCARE NEAR HER.

THE, LIKE THE MANUFACTURING FACILITIES.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT CHILDCARE NEAR THEIR WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DRIVING ACROSS TOWN.

BECAUSE IF THEIR KID IS SICK, THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT THERE AND TO THE DOCTOR.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF NEED FOR THE DAYCARE TO BE CLOSE TO THE WORK WORK SITES ALSO.

SO LET'S, I'LL STOP.

DEBBIE, DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? ANYBODY ELSE? AND I HAVE, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE THING.

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IS THE SAME COMMISSION THAT REGULATES FOSTER CARE.

I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT.

SO TO BE THAT HELP US STRENGTH IN TALKING TO OPERATORS, IN ALL HONESTY, I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT TEAM AND GROUP.

I IT IS, IT IS.

IT IS NUMBER TWO.

YES.

YES.

IN TALKING TO OPERATORS OF CHILDCARE, THEY TOLD US THEY HAVE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS FROM THEM.

YES.

THEY ALSO HAVE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS FROM OUR FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY SAID THAT THEY ALSO HAVE IMPROMPTU INSPECTIONS BECAUSE PROBABLY RS FOLLOW THEM.

SO THEY SAID IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

LONG TALKING TO LONG TERM OPERATORS, UH, FROM THE COMMITTEE, FROM THE, UH, ESTATE LICENSING FEW YEARS BACK.

EVERY YEAR IT'S, IT'S BETTER AND BETTER.

AND THEY, SHE SAID THEY'RE VERY RESPONSIVE.

THEY CARRY THEIR, THEIR INSPECTIONS VERY WELL.

BUT OTHER THAN THE PLAYGROUND, THEY'RE ONLY REGULATING THE INSIDE OF THAT CENTER.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S OUR POINT.

THE SUP DOES THE SAME THAT THE SUP DOESN'T REGULATE THE INSIDE AT ALL, SO.

RIGHT.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, IT REGULATES THE OUTSIDE WE NEED, IT'S JUST THAT IT, IT, UH, NOTIFIES THE NEIGHBORS.

YES.

I, UM, I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE GOTTEN THE GENERAL FEELING OUT HERE.

I, I THINK THAT, UH, THE AGENDA SAID THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING ABOUT A, UH, ENDORSEMENT OF THE POSITION OR NOT AND TAKE A VOTE ON IT.

I THINK AFTER SITTING HERE AND LISTENING TO EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS COMMISSION TO SPEAK TO ZONING CHANGES AS A, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL THAT WAY.

YES OR NOT.

I FEEL THAT WAY.

I'M SORRY.

AND THIS IS CARMEN.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

I FEEL THAT WAY.

I THINK, AND, AND SO I HEAR, I HEAR MORE CONCERN WITH PROPERTY VALUES.

I CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.

AND I FEEL, WHAT I HEAR IS THERE'S MORE CONCERN WITH PROPERTY VALUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAN SENIORS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.

UM, I'M A MOTHER OF SIX, SO I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CHILDREN.

AND I'VE WORKED ALL MY LIFE, EVEN WHEN I WAS RAISING MY KIDS, AND I'M SURE OTHER PEOPLE HERE ALSO, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS MORE, I, IT COULD AFFECT AS A, AS A COMPARISON AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE.

BUT WE ARE GOING MORE AND MORE INTO SCHOOLS AND KIDS.

AND THIS IS ABOUT SENIORS, SENIOR WE, I, I JUST CAUTION THAT WE STAY FOCUSED ON THAT.

HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE SENIOR AND HOW CAN WE MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE SENIOR? NOT THAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT KIDS, NOT THAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES, BUT JUST TO KNOW IT'S THERE LIKE AN INGREDIENT.

BUT THE FOCUS, I FEEL, SHOULD BE WHAT YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING.

AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUES, IT'S ABOUT SENIORS.

OKAY.

YES.

ANY OTHER SPECIFIC THOUGHTS ON THIS? I, I THINK THAT I WOULD, UH,

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UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, I THINK I WOULD, UH, SAY THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON ENCOURAGING WAYS TO CREATE MORE ADULT DAYCARE YES.

IN THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT INTERTWINING IT WITH THE ZONING ISSUE.

YES.

AND, AND NOT TAKE A VOTE ON ENDORSING OR NOT ENDORSING ANYTHING.

YES, I AGREE.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

ANYBODY, ANYBODY OBJECT TO MOVING FORWARD ON THAT BASIS? I, NOT ALL.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND THANK YOU.

THANK OBJECT.

THANK YOU.

IT'S INFORMATIVE 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT REALLY.

AND IF YOU CAN SEND US INFORMATION ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT COMING SO THAT WE CAN LEARN MORE YES.

FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON.

BY THE WAY, THIS WAS EXCELLENT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS LETTER.

.

YEAH, NO, I, OH YEAH.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS TO, UM, VOTE, UM, ACCEPTANCE OR APPROVAL OF THE, UH, ANNUAL REPORT DRAFT THAT EVERYBODY HAS RECEIVED.

AND I GUESS TO GET THAT DISCUSSION STARTED, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED AND SO MOVED.

SECOND.

SECOND NOW.

OKAY.

UM, DISCUSSION.

ANYBODY'S GOT ANY? I'M ALL GOOD.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYBODY ON SCREEN THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN? OKAY.

IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I, I JUST WANNA SAY I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT REPORT AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS HERE.

FABULOUS.

FABULOUS GROUP EFFORT.

IT WAS REALLY EXCELLENT, PETER.

EXCELLENT.

WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

EXCELLENT.

THAT, UH, CORRECTED SOME THINGS THAT WERE WRONG IN THE, IN THE REPORT AND I THINK IMPROVED THE ORIGINAL DRAFT, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO, UH, IF THAT'S ALL I WOULD, UH, CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE, UH, REPORT DRAFT THAT WAS IN THE MATERIALS.

A ANYBODY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THE REPORT WAS APPROVED.

UH, WE WILL DISTRIBUTE, UH, A COPY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE DRAFT, DRAFT AND STUFF ON IT THAT WILL FINAL REPORT.

UH, AND I, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE GETS ONE THAT'S A CLEAN COPY OF THAT AND IT'LL TAKE, I WOULD GUESS IT'LL TAKE A MONTH BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR FOR YOUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON TO SEE THIS.

SO WHAT WHAT I WILL DO IS DISTRIBUTE IT TO EVERYBODY AND, UH, FOR THE ONE DISTRICT THAT DOES NOT HAVE A COMMISSIONER, UH, RIGHT NOW, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT CITY COUNCIL PERSON GETS A COPY OF IT.

BUT I WOULD SHARE IT WITH YOUR COUNCIL PERSON AND, UH, AND, AND LET THEM, LET THEM SEE WHAT IT IS IN THIS FORMAT.

WE CAN NOW SHARE THIS.

WELL, LET ME SEND YOU THE FINAL VERSION.

OKAY.