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DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE.
AND FEELING JESUS,
SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? THE CAMOUFLAGE JACKET GAVE YOU AWAY.
[BRIEFINGS ( Part 1 of 2 )]
COMMISSIONERS.UH, TODAY IS FEBRUARY 1ST, 2024, 9:03 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF DATA ESTATE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, WE HAVE ONE CUSTOMER HERE THIS MORNING.
UH, AS ALWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, AS IS THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS, UH, BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
WE'LL GET TO ALL OUR COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION AT THE HEARING STARTING AT 1230.
AND WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA JUST TAKE IT RIGHT DOWN THE LINE ON THE AGENDA IN ORDER, UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT BRIEFING BY DR.
SO, UH, THE ANNUAL REPORT, UM, THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US.
WE PUT IT TOGETHER, WE CIRCULATED TO YOU ON SUNDAY ON THE NEW END, UH, OLD EMAIL ADDRESSES.
UM, YOU HAVE THE CHAIR'S MEMO THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE REPORT.
UM, WE WERE THINKING TODAY TO GO THROUGH THE MISSION STATEMENTS, THE CHAIR PROPOSED BASED ON YOUR INPUT.
AND, UH, WHERE IS THE CHAIR PROPOSED? THREE ALTERNATIVES.
UM, I'LL GO BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
THEN YOU HAVE, OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBERS IN THE PAGES.
AND THEN, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET, A VERY DETAILED, UM, VIEW OF THE CASES THAT WERE UNDER THE ZONING CASES THAT WERE UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH CITY PLAN COMMISSION, THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 22, 23.
SO WE PUT IT AS A BRIEFING BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE WHICH ONE OF THE MISSION STATEMENTS YOU WANT TO PUT FORWARD.
I CAN READ THE THREE OF THEM IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, I WOULD LIKE, LIKE A LITTLE NOD BEING THE BRIEFING.
I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE NOD TO SEE WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE REPORT.
THEN WE'LL GET THE REPORT READY AND THEN HAVE IT THE FIRST ON THE AGENDA IN THE AFTERNOON SO WE CAN VOTE AND SUBMIT IT TODAY.
UH, JUST ONE QUICK LITTLE COMMENT AND THANK ALL THE, THE COMMISSIONERS THAT SENT WORDS IN.
I KNOW, UH, SOME OF YOU EVEN SENT A SAMPLE MISSION STATEMENT.
SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE, THE, THE THREE OPTIONS ARE KIND OF THE, UH, THE STUFF THAT I RECEIVED FROM YOU AND I TRIED TO PUT THEM TOGETHER IN A RATIONAL WAY.
UH, AND THEN, UH, I ALSO INCLUDED THE, THE MISSION STATEMENT THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, AND THAT'S WHAT'S AT THE VERY TOP, UM, WHICH FRANKLY SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD TO ME.
UM, ALSO, OF COURSE, I, I HAD TO PUT IT INTO CHAT, GPT AND, UM, DIDN'T QUITE GET ANYTHING BACK THAT WAS WORTH PLACING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.
UH, IT DID SOUND A LITTLE MECHANICAL, UH, BUT I'M, UH, WELCOME TO TAKE INPUT INTO ANY OF THESE.
UH, WE CAN CHOOSE ONE, WE CAN COMBINE ONE OF THE THREE WITH ANOTHER ONE.
ANY PREFERENCES? COMMISSIONER HALL? MY PREFERENCE WAS NUMBER TWO.
MY, MY PREFERENCE IS NUMBER TWO AS WELL.
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WHILE YOU ARE, UM, LOOKING AT THEM, I CAN READ THE MONEY OUT INTO THE RECORD.SO THE FIRST OPTION, THE, THE CURRENT MISSION STATEMENT IS, CITY PLAN COMMISSION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS, AND FOR ADMINISTERING CHAPTER 2 1 2 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REGARDING THE PLANNING AND RECORDING OF SUBDIVISION AND ADDITIONS.
IT IS THROUGH THIS PLANNING FOR AND REGULATION OF LAND DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION ACHIEVES ITS LAND USE PLANNING OBJECTIVES.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY'S LISTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
WE HAVE THREE ALTERNATIVES THERE.
THEY'RE BASED ON THE WORDS AND STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE COMMISSIONERS.
THE FIRST OPTION IS THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON ZONING CASES AND LAND USE PLANNING WHILE ADMINISTERING CHAPTER TWO AND TWO OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
OUR MISSION IS TO FOSTER A THRIVING INCLUSIVE CITY THAT EVOLVES RESPONSIBLY TO MEET RESIDENTS' NEEDS AND EMBRACES INNOVATION.
THROUGH COLLAB COLLABORATION, WE SHAPE DY A DYNAMIC URBAN LANDSCAPE THAT REFLECT OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITIES' VALUES.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE, THE SECOND ONE THAT ALREADY RECEIVED TWO, UM, ENDORSEMENTS.
THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON ZONING AND LAND USE MATTERS, UH, GUIDED BY VALUES SUCH AS DATA DRIVEN DECISION MAKING, RESEARCH, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND SUSTAINABILITY.
OUR MISSION IS TO FOSTER A THRIVING, SUSTAINABLE CITY THROUGH IMPARTIAL LEADERSHIP, ENSURING RESPONSIBLE GROWTH THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY, COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY AND INTEGRITY.
WE STRIVE TO SHAPE A DYNAMIC URBAN LANDSCAPE THAT REFLECTS THE VALUES OF CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS.
AND THEN THE THIRD, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING MATTERS, AND FOR ADMINISTERING CHAPTER TWO AND TWO OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REGARDING THE PLANNING AND RECORDING OF SUBDIVISION AND ADDITIONS.
IT IS THROUGH THIS PLANNING AND RE FOR AND REGULATION OF LAND DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION ACHIEVES ITS LAND USE PLANNING OBJECTIVES.
OUR MISSION IS TO FOSTER A THRIVING, SUSTAINABLE CITY THROUGH IMPARTIAL LEADERSHIP, ENSURING RESPONSIBLE GROWTH THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY TO TRANSPARENCY AND INTEGRITY.
WE STRIVE TO SHAPE A DYNAMIC URBAN LANDSCAPE THAT REFLECTS THE VALUES OF DALLAS RESIDENTS COMMISSIONER HOUSE.
I THINK THE SECOND OPTION'S THE STRONGEST.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I PREFER, UH, I'M, I, OKAY.
I REALLY PREFER THE ONE THAT JUST APPEARS NOW ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
ANY OTHER OPINIONS? COMMISSIONER? THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
I, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, LIKE NUMBER TWO? NUMBER TWO AS WELL.
I'D LIKE NUMBER TWO WITH TWO SMALL GRAMMATICAL CHANGES.
UM, THE FIRST IS JUST, UH, THAT FIRST SENTENCE.
THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON ZONING AND LAND MATTERS GUIDED BY DECISION DRIVEN OR DATA DRIVEN DECISION MAKING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THEN THAT LAST SENTENCE, COMMITTED TO THE TRANSPARENCY AND INTEGRITY, WE STRIVE TO SHAPE A DYNAMIC URBAN LANDSCAPE THAT REFLECTS THE VALUES AND NEEDS OF DALLAS RESIDENTS.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, IN ORDER TO, TO REPRESENT ALL OF DISTRICT EIGHT, THERE IS A MAJOR PORTION OF DISTRICT EIGHT THAT, THAT HAS ISSUE WITH THE WORD URBAN.
THAT, UM, AND, AND THEIR, THEIR GOAL IS NEVER TO BECOME URBAN, BUT TO STAY RURAL AND IN, IN CER IN MAKING IT ALL THAT, ALL OF THE CITY URBAN, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT REPRESENTS A MAJOR SEC SECTION OF MY, OF MY DISTRICT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REWORD THAT.
UM, AND I GET THAT THE MAJ MAJORITY OF THE CITY IS IN LOOKING AT AN URBAN LANDSCAPE.
AND I DO HAVE SECTIONS OF THE CITY THAT'S ALSO LOOKING AT AN URBAN LANDSCAPE.
BUT I CAN'T REPRESENT THE, I CAN'T REPRESENT A PORTION OF THE DISTRICT.
I HAVE TO REPRESENT ALL OF THE DISTRICT.
WHAT IF THAT WORD JUST GOT REMOVED? COMMISSIONER
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HAWK? PARDON ME? JUST WHAT IF YOU JUST TOOK OUTUH, COMMISSIONER HAWK TO SHAPE A DYNAMIC LANDSCAPE.
THAT READS KIND OF AWKWARD, RIGHT? I I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT READS FOR ME, YOU KNOW? YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE PORTIONS, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN, IN, UH, OF THE CITY, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S DISTRICT THAT HAVE A, A RURAL IDENTITY.
BUT AS, AS THE NINTH LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE CONCEPT OF AN URBAN DYNA DYNAMIC URBAN LANDSCAPE IS IMPORTANT TO OUR MISSION.
YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS MISSION STATEMENT CALLS FOR ANY PORTION OF THE CITY THAT'S CURRENTLY RURAL TO BE URBANIZED RIGHT NOW.
SO I, I SEE THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME PARDON.
IN OUR ZONING CASES, YES, THEY DO WORK TO URBANIZE THE RURAL SECTION OF MY DISTRICT.
AND YOUR, YOUR MICROPHONE'S NOT ON COMES FROM THAT, I'M SORRY.
IN, IN ZONING CASES THAT WE, THAT I HAVE HAD, THERE HAS BEEN A PUSH TO URBANIZE IT AND MAKE IT WALKABLE.
AND THAT IS WHERE I GET THE MOST PUSHBACK FROM THAT, FROM THE CLEAVER RILEY AREA, BECAUSE THE, EVEN THE, THE SAYING URBAN TO THEM IS A SLIGHT AND, AND OF, AND AN OFFENSE.
AND EVEN IF I LOSE THIS, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, I HAVE TO GO ON RECORD REPRESENTING ALL OF MY DISTRICT AND THAT MAJOR SECTION.
I, I, I'VE WORKED, I HAD A ZONING CASE WHERE I WORKED WITH THE, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT ALL WEEKEND LONG REMOVING ALL THE URBAN THAT, THAT WAS RECOMMENDED TO BE, TO BE PUT IN THAT PD.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE, I THINK, LARGELY VOTED AGAINST CASES THAT, THAT HAVE SOUGHT TO URBANIZE THE KLEBERG RILEY AREAS.
AND I THINK WITH THIS LANGUAGE REMAINING IN THERE, I THINK WE CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE FACT THAT IF IT'S DYNAMIC FOR ALL THAT IT MEANS, THEN, THEN IT REPRESENTS THE LANDSCAPE OF ALL AREAS OF THE CITY, WHETHER IT BE URBAN, WHETHER IT BE RURAL, WHETHER IT BE, UM, UM, ANY KIND OF AREA, WHETHER IT BE THE WEST, THE EAST, THE SOUTH, THE NORTH.
IF YOU JUST LEAVE IT AT THE WORD DYNAMIC, IT REPRESENTS ALL AREAS OF THE CITY.
IT JUST READS TO ME AS, AS, AS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT READS WELL TO ME AS JUST A DYNAMIC LANDSCAPE AND GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE VAST PROPORTION OF OUR CITY BEING URBAN, I THINK A NOD TO A DYNAMIC URBAN LANDSCAPE IS, IS IMPORTANT IN THIS DOCUMENT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY, WHICH IS FINE.
UM, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S COMING FROM, BUT I STILL LIKE THE WORD URBAN.
I TAKE IT AS THE URBAN, THE CONTEXT OF IT AS BEING THE MOST BROAD DEFINITION OF URBAN.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY C, B, D, HIGH DENSITY.
UH, I MEAN, I THINK OF, UH, A, A TOWN OF 5,000 PEOPLE IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WEST TEXAS IS URBAN.
AND, AND TO ME IT SPEAKS TO THE, JUST THE FACT THAT THERE IS A COMPLEX NETWORK OF RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES AND USES.
AND OUR JOB IS TO, UM, EXERCISE JUDGMENT OVER THAT.
WHETHER I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK DISTRICT EIGHT IS URBAN IN THAT CONTEXT, IN THE, IN THE USE OF THE WORD THAT, THAT WAY.
SO I DON'T WANNA SPEND AN ORBIT AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS.
WELL, JUST LOOKING@THEDICTIONARY.COM DEFINITION, IT SAYS, URBAN OF PERTAINING TO OR DESIGNATING A CITY OR TOWN LIVING IN A CITY.
AND THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET TOO DETAILS IF WE'RE IN THE CITY LIMITS, WE'RE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT,
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REGARDLESS OF THE MAKEUP OF THAT, UH, PARTICULAR AREA.SO, I, UH, I THINK I WAS IN THE MINORITY THAT WAS FOR, TO JUST KEEP WHAT WE HAD ON THE WEBSITE, BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE NUMBER TWO IS, UH, KIND OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING WITH THE, UH, ADDITION OF AND NEEDS IN THE LAST SENTENCE, THE VALUES AND NEEDS OF DALLAS RESIDENTS.
ANY OTHER ADJUSTMENTS? SO WE'LL NEED TO, UM, TAKE A VOTE ON THAT NOW, OR DO WE NEED TO NO, IT'S A BRIEFING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
WE'LL GO WITH NUMBER TWO I, ANDREA, AND NOW WE'LL GO TO OUR BRIEFING OF FORT DALLAS.
ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
UH, LAWRENCE SAGU, PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN, CHIEF PLANNER AND PROJECT MANAGER OF, UH, FORD DALLAS.
UH, SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED, UH, OVERVIEW OF FORD DALLAS, JUST TO GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, UH, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING, AND THE REQUEST FROM THIS BODY.
UH, BEFORE I BEGIN, UM, GIVE AN OVERVIEW.
I WANT TO, UH, OPEN THE FLOOR TO, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBEN, UH, UH, JUST TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW IN TERMS OF HIS EXPERIENCE WITHIN, UH, WHEN HE WAS AT CLUB, UM, AND PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW FROM HIS FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE BEFORE WE DELVE INTO STAFF'S OVERVIEW.
UH, YEAH, CLUFF WAS, WAS CERTAINLY A MARATHON, NOT A SPRINT.
I THINK WE MET 27 TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF A, OF A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
AND THAT WAS SEPARATE AND APART FROM ALL OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT CITY STAFF DID, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT CERTAINLY WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND EVERYONE.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE DISCUSSED, PROBABLY, GOSH, THIS MUST HAVE BEEN THREE YEARS, THREE PLUS YEARS AGO, WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, FIRST TALKING ABOUT REWRITING THE COMP PLAN OR UPDATING THE COMP PLAN.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD A WIDE RANGE OF FOLKS WITH, UH, VERY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND EXPERIENCES FROM, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTS TO, UM, FOLKS WHO, YOU KNOW, HAVE EXPERIENCE IN DEVELOPMENT TO SORT OF RACIAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES.
AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EVERY MEMBER OF CLUB LIVED IN A DIFFERENT AND DYNAMIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN DALLAS.
SO WE HAD A, A REALLY WIDE RANGE OF FOLKS WHO GAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FEEDBACK ON, UM, THE DOCUMENT AND A, A COUPLE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE DOCUMENT, IN FACT.
UM, AND WE ULTIMATELY SET THE, SENT THE DOCUMENT FORWARD, UM, AFTER OUR JANUARY 9TH MEETING, UH, WITH, WITH SOME COMMENTS.
AND I KNOW STAFF IS WORKING ON A THIRD UPDATE VERSION THAT WILL REFLECT SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
UM, IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD SAY AT THOSE LAST TWO MEETINGS, WE REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, WHAT MR. MC, WE WILL TALK ABOUT BEING, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, WHICH I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT FROM VARIOUS, UM, SOURCES AS OF LATE, BECAUSE THAT SEEMED TO BE A HOT TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR THING THAT WE ADDRESSED IN THE DRAFT WAS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUES, AND PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND IN CLOSE, UM, PROXIMITY TO INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL USE IS PARTICULARLY CONCENTRATED IN, YOU KNOW, AREAS, UH, WHERE, WHERE THE POPULATION IS, YOU KNOW, CONCENTRATED IN PEOPLE OF COLOR.
SO WE, WE REALLY ARE LOOKING AT, UM, THE COMP PLAN AS A TOOL TO ADDRESS THOSE, UM, INDUSTRIAL INCOMPATIBILITIES,
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UH, MR. GU AND, AND HIS TEAM CAN SPEAK MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY TO ALL OF THIS THAN I AM, BUT OVERALL, IT WAS A, A LONG ROAD.AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THIS HERE AT, AT THE PLAN COMMISSION FOR Y'ALL TO, UM, DIG INTO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO PRINT IT OUT.
IT'S A REALLY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A 60 PAGE DOCUMENT AT THIS POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME POINTS, POINTS, YOU KNOW, SPEAK SET UP, YOU KNOW, VERY HIGH LEVEL.
BUT THERE ALSO IS SOME TEXT THAT DIG INTO AND I, YOU KNOW, WELCOME EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK AND, AND COMMENTS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS NEXT ROUND OF REVIEW AND EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THE PLAN COMMISSION DOES WITH IT.
UH, SO THAT WE'RE GONNA JUST JUMP STRAIGHT INTO OUR DISCUSSION.
UH, SO AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY IS TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW, A BIT MORE DETAILED OVERVIEW, UH, THAN WE PROVIDED LAST TIME RELATED TO THE FOR DALLAS PLAN.
UH, ITS CONTENTS, THE PURPOSE, UH, WHY WE'RE HERE, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS, UH, COMMITTEE TO HELP COMMISSION TO HELP DEVELOP.
SO, WE'RE GONNA FIRST TOUCH ON THE RELEVANCE OF FORD DALLAS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA DELVE INTO THE STRUCTURE OF HOW WE'VE, UH, ORGANIZED THE PLAN DOCUMENT, UM, HOW TO USE THE PLAN, UH, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT HOW STAFF AND THIS COMMISSION, UH, WE'VE USED THE PLAN.
AND THEN FURTHER QUESTIONS TO INVESTIGATE THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH YOU ALL OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
UH, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PINPOINT AND PREPARE YOU ALL FOR HOPEFULLY SOME ROBUST DISCUSSION, UM, THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS PUR UH, THROUGH THIS, UH, PROCESS AND THE NEXT STEPS FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, SO WHY FOR DALLAS, UH, ONE PROJECTED GROWTH.
Y'ALL HAVE HEARD US SAY THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.
THAT SUPPOSED TO BE ADDING 300,000 PEOPLE TO THE CITY IN THE NEXT 20, 25 YEARS.
THAT'S THE CITY OF PLANO COMING INSIDE THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, THESE ARE COG PROJECTIONS.
SO BY THE TIME 20 20, 20 45 ROLLS AROUND THE POPULATION SHOULD BE 1.6 MILLION PEOPLE.
UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE PLAN AND THINK ABOUT OUR LAND USES TO ACCOMMODATE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BURDENING ANY PORTION OF THE CITY, UM, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW.
TWO, UM, OUR CURRENT LAND USE POLICY IS PIECEMEAL AND AGING.
UH, SO AS WE LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, UM, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE OLDER THAN I AM, THERE ARE SOME THAT WERE CREATED BEFORE I EVEN EXISTED.
UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT'S RELEVANT FROM THOSE PLANS AND HOW DO WE APPLY, UM, CURRENT, UM, THOUGHTS ABOUT LAND USES TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
UH, SOME OF YOU ALL MIGHT SAY, WELL, WE DO HAVE A PLAN THAT EXISTS THAT COVERS THE CITY.
UH, KIND OF, UH, SO 2006, UH, THE, THE CURRENT PLAN ON THE GROUND, THE, THE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED AND IT COVERED THE CITY.
BUT A FEW THINGS THAT WERE KIND OF OFF WITH THAT.
ONE, IT'S EXPLICITLY SAID IN THIS PLAN DOCUMENT THAT THIS IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP.
UH, F OH, I GUESS IN OTHER WORDS, OF SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT A FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO HAVING A, A MAP THAT SAYS THIS IS NOT A FUTURE LAND USE MAP KIND OF AN ISSUE.
TWO, IT, IT KIND OF CONTINUES TO SAY THIS IS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN A MAP, IT'S JUST A PRETTY PICTURE IN A SENSE.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF TAKING AWAY WHAT IT COULD HAVE DONE, UH, TO HELP WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.
AND ALSO IT SAYS, THIS DOES NOT INDICATE OFFICIAL CITY RELATED, UH, EXCUSE ME, THIS DOES NOT INDICATE OFFICIAL CITY POLICY RELATED TO SPECIFIC SITES OR AREAS.
SO BASICALLY THE DEFINITION OF A MAP, UM, IT BASICALLY STATED ON THIS PARTICULAR MAP THAT THIS ISN'T THAT.
SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO NOTE THAT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CURRENT FORD DALLAS PLAN AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS AND DOESN'T SAY, UM, THAT'S TAKEN AWAY WHAT IT COULD HAVE DONE FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND THE PLANNING OF THE CITY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
UM, ALSO SOMEONE MIGHT SAY, WELL, OKAY, WE HAVE AREA PLANS THAT HAVE COVERED THAT KIND OF, UH, SO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A, A FUTURE COMPREHENSIVE MAP, UM, THAT DID WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, OTHERS STARTED TO DEVELOP AREA PLANS IN THE CITY.
UH, THIS SHOWS A COMPOSITE OF ALL THE AREA PLANS THAT WE ANALYZE DURING THIS PROCESS.
AS YOU CAN NOTICE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT COLORS.
UM, THEY DON'T COVER THE ENTIRE CITY.
UM, AND AS WE LOOK INTO WHAT THE STATE SAYS ABOUT COMP PLAN, THERE'S TWO TWO WAYS YOU CAN GO ABOUT A COMP PLAN.
ONE, YOU CAN CREATE A PLAN THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE, OR YOU CAN CREATE MULTIPLE AREA PLANS THAT AS A COMPOSITE COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY.
SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT FOUR DALLAS PLAN, UNDER THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS OF A COMP PLAN, WE ACTUALLY DON'T REALLY HAVE ONE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY CRITICAL THAT WE ONE, GET ONE THAT'S DONE PROPERLY AND ONE THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY AND PROVIDES PREDICTABILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM A CITY PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.
SO THIRDLY, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS
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TO CREATE THAT LAND USE GUIDANCE TO HELP PREDICTABLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY.SO THAT PREVIOUS PLAN THAT I SHOWED HAD DIFFERENT YELLOWS, DIFFERENT COLORS THAT MEANT DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE IDEA WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW AND TRYING TO DEVELOP IS A CONSISTENT LANGUAGE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY AS THE BASELINE, UH, TO THINK THROUGH WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WE ARE TYING IN, UH, CURRENT POLICIES, UM, INTO WHAT WE'RE DEVELOPING.
SO FROM THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN TO THE HOUSING PLAN, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY, THEY'VE PINPOINTED FOR DALLAS TO DO SPECIFIC THINGS, UH, THROUGH OUR PLAN.
SO FROM THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN FOR DALLAS SHOULD, UM, HELP IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE LAND USES AND HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES, UM, PROPOSING ZONING TO INCREASE WALKABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY FOR DALLAS TO WORK TO INCREASE THE PRODUCTION OF HOUSING IN A TARGETED MANNER THAT ALIGNS WITH THE PLAN, THE ECO DEVELOPMENT POLICY, UH, LAND USE THROUGH FOR DALLAS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, SHOULD HEIGHTEN JOB CREATION AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL IN TANDEM WITH REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS OF AGING COMMERCIAL CENTERS.
CONNECT DALLAS, UM, FOR DALLAS SHOULD BE BASICALLY AT THE, AT THE CORE OF LOOKING AT THE IMPACTS OF VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED AND MODE SPLITS AS INDICATORS OF LAND USE SCENARIOS.
AND CCAP, AS WE ALL KNOW, UH, DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE STRATEGY IN, IN, IN THE UPCOMING COMP PLAN, UH, TO UPDATE AND PAIR WITH THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN CAP GOALS AND ADOPT A POLICY TO REDUCE GHG EMISSIONS.
SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER PLANS THAT WERE ADOPTED IN THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS, BASICALLY EVERY YEAR A PLAN HAS COME THROUGH THE CITY, UM, THAT HAS PINPOINTED FOUR DOWS TO DO SOMETHING RELATED TO, UH, LAND USE AND ALSO TO MOVE THE NEEVA FORWARD WITH THE POLICIES THAT THEY HAD IN THOSE PLANS.
UH, SO AS WE ARE KINDA GETTING AN IDEA OF WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, I WANNA ALSO THEN FAST FORWARD TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT PLAN DOCUMENT.
UH, SO THIS ILLUSTRATION JUST SHOWS THE FOUR MAJOR SECTIONS OF THE PLAN DOCUMENT.
UH, ONE, THE LAND USE THEMES, UH, TWO, THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, UH, THREE, THE PLACE TYPE MAP, AND THEN FOUR, THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.
SO THROUGH THE LAST FEW YEARS, CLUB, AS VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS MENTIONED, HAS HELPED DEVELOP EACH OF THESE SECTIONS WITH A FOCUS ON THE LAND USE THEMES AND THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.
THEY ALSO DELVED INTO SOME MAP DISCUSSIONS AND SOME IMPLEMENTATION DISCUSSIONS.
BUT THIS BODY CPC, WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING YOU ALL TO FOCUS ON THE PLACE TYPE MAP MORE IN DEPTH AND ALSO TO THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION ABOUT HOW DO WE MOVE THE GOALS FORWARD, UH, IN, IN REAL, IN IN OUR POLICIES.
AND IN WHEN YOU ALL WILL REVIEW IN CASES, SO THE IMPLEMENTATION, THAT'S THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS BODY, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT WHAT THOSE, UM, ACTION ITEMS SAY AND HOW YOU ALL GOING TO CAN HELP MOVE THAT FORWARD, UH, WITH, WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS.
UH, SO HOW, HOW'S THIS PLAN USED? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS PLAN AND OUR, AND OUR CURRENT PLAN? SO WE'RE GONNA TOUCH ABOUT TOUCH ON, UH, DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF CITY PRIORITIES, RESPONDING TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS, AND HOW DO WE RESPOND TO CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED IN THE PLAN.
SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA, YOU GONNA HEAR WHAT MY TEAM SAY THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
UH, PLACE TYPES AREN'T ZONING, BUT I'M GONNA DELVE INTO A BIT MORE, UH, DETAIL AND, UM, HOW THAT IS.
SO PLACE TYPES, THEY PROVIDE THE NON-REGULATORY FUTURE LAND USE GUIDANCE ON HOW A COMMUNITY SHOULD LOOK LIKE WHILE ZONING IS THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW A PROPERLY MUST BE DEVELOPED.
SO THE, THE IDEA BETWEEN A VISION, THE SHOULDS VERSUS THE REQUIREMENTS, THE MUSTS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DRILL DOWN, UH, PRETTY HEAVILY TO CLARIFY THE PURPOSE OF ONE OF THESE.
UH, AND ALSO YOU MIGHT BE HEARING TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME MIGHT SAY, WHY DO WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH FORWARD DALLAS? WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE WITH THE ZONING UPDATES, CODE REFORM UPDATES, LET'S DO THAT IN TANDEM, OR LET'S DO THAT FIRST.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF CREATING A PLAN OR, UH, SOMETHING WITH DIMENSIONS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PURPOSE OR VISION.
SO THE, THE SHOULD VERSUS THE MUSTS, THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE VISIONARY ASPECTS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD.
UM, INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT ONE OF THOSE IN, IN, UM, SECLUSION OCCLUSION.
AND JUST A NOTE, YOU KNOW, LAND USE GUIDES ZONING, BUT LAND USE DOES NOT CREATE ZONING.
SO ANOTHER REASON WHY, UH, THIS IS GONNA HELP WITH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH A, UH, A MOCK CASE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST TO THINK THROUGH THE PURPOSE OF THIS FOR DALLAS VERSUS FOR DALLAS 2006.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS QUICK CHART, UH, TALKS THROUGH HOW A ZONING APPLICATION COMES THROUGH THE CITY FROM THE APPLICANT TO THE STAFF TO CPC
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AND COUNCIL, UH, I WANNA FOCUS ON STAFF'S REVIEW OF, UH, A DEVELOPMENT CASE.UH, SO CURRENTLY NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE FOUR DOWS 2006 VERSUS FOUR DOWS, UH, 2.0.
UH, SO 4,000, 2006, THERE'S A LOCATION THAT EXISTS.
THIS, THIS A LOCATION IS ACTUALLY IN DISTRICT FOUR, UH, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'RE COVERING WITH OUR COMMISSIONS HERE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD CONVERSATION TO TALK ABOUT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOCATION THAT IS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, THAT IS ALONG A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT IS ALONG A CREEK AND ALONG A TOD CORRIDOR.
UH, SO FOUR 2006, UM, THE PEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE PUTS THAT LOCATION RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO AS STAFF REVIEWS THIS, UH, IT'S A CASE THAT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL, COULD BE COMMERCIAL, COULD BE OPEN SPACE, COULD BE WATER.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT'S COME THROUGH, UM, THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THIS BODY.
UH, SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 2006 VERSUS 2000, UH, TWO, 2.0, WE CAN SEE THAT THE 2006, THIS PROVIDES UNCLARITY IN TERMS OF WHAT LANE USAGE SHOULD EXIST IN THAT AREA.
SO AS THAT MOVES FORWARD, AS STAFF REVIEWS THOSE CASES, YOU ALL GET THOSE CASES, UM, AND RECOMMENDATIONS WITH A PLETHORA OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS JUST BECAUSE THE MAP AND THE POLICY GUIDANCE IS VERY UNCLEAR AS WE LOOK AT THE TWO, 2.0 VERSION IS VERY CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT PLACE TYPE THIS SITS IN COMMERCIAL MIXED USE.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION'S GONNA BE LINKED TO COMMERCIAL MIXED USE.
AND THEN YOU ALL THROUGH DISCUSSION CAN DETERMINE WHICH WAY TO GO WITH THAT.
UM, WHEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS COME TO YOU ALL, UM, AND IT'S MULTIFACETED, IT CAN BECOME MORE COMPLEX AS YOU TRY TO DECIPHER THAT.
OH, UM, WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN TAKE THEM NOW.
COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT, PLEASE.
UM, WE HAD A MEETING JUST LAST NIGHT WITH DISTRICT 10 LEADERS ON FORWARD DALLAS.
AND I'LL, I WON'T TELL YOU THE, GIVE YOU THE WHOLE REPORT, BUT LET'S LOOK AT THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE 'CAUSE IT'S, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH SOME POTENTIAL CHANGES TO COLORS, REFINEMENTS, CORRECTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS, ET CETERA.
SO WHO GETS TO DECIDE THAT SHAPE IS ORANGE ON YOUR SLIDE? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WHO GETS TO DECIDE THE SHAPE OF WHAT WILL WILL EXIST HERE? SO THROUGH KIND OF MULTIPLE, UH, DISCUSSIONS.
SO FROM THE COMMUNITY, THEY HELP D DETERMINE WHICH BOUNDARIES EXIST THROUGH THE CURRENT NATURAL FEATURES CLUB HELPS THEM PROVIDE THAT.
SO BASICALLY A CONSULTANT ALSO HELPS.
SO IT'S A MULTIPLE FACETED, UM, UH, INPUT IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT BOUNDARY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE ITEMS IN TERMS OF DETERMINING WHICH, UM, AND ALSO ZONING UP ON THE GROUND TO HELP DETERMINE WHAT THAT PLACE, WELL, I MEAN, I HAVE AN APPRECIATION FOR HOW IT GOT TO THE DRAFT FORM.
BUT FOR THOSE OF US THAT MAY WANT TO IMPLEMENT CHANGES TO THAT, RIGHT? AND WE'RE JUST GONNA SPEAK UP, WE'RE GONNA RAISE OUR HAND, WE'RE GONNA COME TO STAFF.
AND THAT'S, SO AS WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE UNTIL COUNCIL SAYS IT'S SET IN STONE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION TO THINK THROUGH THOSE BOUNDARIES, THOSE COLORS A BIT MORE IN DETAIL.
'CAUSE YOU ALL KNOW YOUR DISTRICTS MORE THAN PROBABLY THE CLUB ACTUALLY DID.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, SO AS WE LOOK AT THE, THE THE FOUR DO 2006 FOUR, 4002.0, WE'RE GONNA DELVE INTO A BIT MORE DETAIL IN TERMS OF HOW, UH, FOUR DOS 2.0.
UH, STAFF COULD USE THIS TO HELP PROVIDE CLARITY, UH, FOR THIS BODY AND ALSO MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY PROVIDE.
SO AS WE LOOK AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION, YOU KNOW, THIS IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE, UM, THIS PROVIDES A CURRENT SPREAD, UM, EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE TWO, UH, TWO PAGE SPREAD.
THIS FIRST ONE TALKS THROUGH THE CHARACTER DESCRIPTIONS GIVE YOU, GIVES YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW IN TERMS OF WHAT IT IS, WHERE IT'S LOCATED, THE TYPES OF LAND USES YOU MIGHT SEE OR MIX OF LAND USES.
UH, SO AS YOU CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE CASES THAT COME THROUGH VERSUS THE PLACE TYPES THAT IT, IT, IT, IT FALLS WITHIN, YOU CAN START TO UNDERSTAND AND GET A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT IF YOU NEED MORE DETAIL, UM, AS TO WHAT THAT PLACE TYPE IS SAYING AND HOW TO APPLY THAT ON THE GROUND, THE NEXT SPREAD PROVIDES A BIT MORE DETAIL IN TERMS OF HOW YOU APPLY THAT APPLICATION.
UM, OF THE PLACE TYPES TO THAT PARTICULAR, UM, EITHER ZONING CASE THAT WE SEE.
SO, UH, SO FROM THROUGH, UM, UNDERSTANDING THE ADJACENCIES THAT IT MIGHT HAVE WITH OTHER USES, UM, URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS RELATED TO EITHER MOBILITY, GREEN OPEN SPACE, UH, STREET PARKING, BUILDING FORM, THOSE ARE ALL COMPONENTS THAT HELPS TO INFORM STAFF IN THIS BODY IN TERMS OF THE PARTICULAR ZONING CASE, FALL IN LINE AND, AND MARRY THE VISION THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, UH, WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
SO THIS IS WHAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SPREAD AND DOCUMENT IS STARTING TO UNFOLD AND LOOK LIKE.
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GONNA BE USING, UH, YOUR EXPERIENCE HERE TO HELP US TAILOR THIS TO HELP STAFF AND YOUR TEAM, UM, IN REVIEWING THESE DOCUMENTS.ADDITIONALLY TOO, AS CASES START TO COME THROUGH, UM, POST FOR DALLAS, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THE GOALS THAT FOR DALLAS IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE THROUGH THE, THROUGH, THROUGH WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO AS NEW DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS COME THROUGH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE YOU ALL LOOKING AT THOSE PROJECTS, UM, THROUGH THE LENS OF THESE GOALS AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UH, THROUGH LAND USE AND THROUGH JUST CITYWIDE POLICY.
SO AS WE DELVE INTO THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, UH, WE'RE GONNA GET EVERYBODY HOPEFULLY UP TO SPEED IN TERMS OF WHAT, UH, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW, UH, PANEL, AND ALSO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COMMISSION TO HELP DEVELOP WHAT THIS SHOULD BE.
UH, THIRDLY, AS THIS, UH, CONTINUES TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, THIS IS GOING TO BE, UM, ENGAGING THE PUBLICS AND THEIR CONCERNS THROUGH EQUITABLE, UH, ENGAGEMENT.
SO WE'VE DONE A BIT MORE, I THINK WE'VE DONE MORE ENGAGEMENT THAN A LOT OF THE PLANS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS COMBINED.
UH, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE LAND USES ON THE GROUND SHOULD BE, UM, IN THEIR AREA AND HOW WE'RE APPLYING THOSE MUSTS, UH, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR AREAS IN THE CITY THAT ARE EXPERIENCING KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE CONCERNS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SPEAK AND CONTINUE TO THINK THROUGH, UH, CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO GET, UH, THOSE COMMUNITIES OUT OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
UH, THROUGH THE CONVERSATION WE'LL BE HAVING, UH, THROUGH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
AND THEN LASTLY, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THE PLAN CHANGES? WHAT IF WE NEED TO CHANGE SOMETHING? SAY, YOU KNOW, AMAZON HQ DECIDES TO COME HERE AND WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH A LAND USE CHANGE UPDATE IN A PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY THAT CAN BE DONE.
SO THE PLAN CAN BE AMENDED, UM, AS NEW INFORMATION ARISES, UH, THROUGH AREA PLANS, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BASE, UH, YOU CAN DO SMALLER AREA PLANS THAT SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE AND BASICALLY UPDATE A CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY, UH, TO UPDATE THE FUTURE LAND USE VISION THAT'S ALSO IN, UM, CONGRUENCE WITH THE COMP PLAN.
UH, SO LAST THING WE WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ENGAGING YOU ALL WITH AND IN IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
UM, SO ONE, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF WHAT TYPES OF USES ARE WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO UNPACK WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN OF WHAT THE CURRENT PLACE TYPE SAYS, WHAT ACTUALLY FOUR DALLAS 2006 SAYS.
UM, AND THINK THROUGH WHERE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FUTURE, UH, TO THE FLEX COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE THAT IS THE LIGHTEST, UM, I GUESS INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE, UH, SLASH MIX WITH COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE THAT WE HAVE.
THAT ONE BASICALLY SIGNALS THE TRANSITION AWAY FROM INDUSTRIAL USES.
SO THAT PLACE TYPE IS GONNA BE KEY IN, UH, FIGURING OUT WHAT IT SAYS THOSE LAND USES AND WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE CITY.
THIRD, UM, AND ALSO, UM, SPEAKING TO THE CONVERSATION OF FLEX COMMERCIAL, THE AREA OF PY THAT IS, UH, FOR STAFF, THAT'S THE MOST DIFFICULT AREA THAT WE'VE, UH, INVESTIGATED.
AND WHEN WE CONTINUE TO, TO THINK THROUGH IDEAS WITH THIS CO COMMISSION TO THINK THROUGH HOW DO WE ADDRESS SOME OF THESE LAND USE CONCERNS IN A WAY THAT'S REALISTIC AND ALSO ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS THE COMMUNITY SEES HERE.
SO WE, WE'LL BE PROVIDING YOU WITH SOME, SOME OPTIONS TO THINK THROUGH AND HELP US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE WAY FORWARD, UH, MAKES SENSE.
UH, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING, UH, THINKING THROUGH WHERE AND HOW THE PLACE TYPES INCORPORATE THAT AND SPEAK TO THAT.
AND THEN LASTLY, PUBLIC UTILITY USES, UM, WITHIN THESE PLACE TYPES.
SO I WANT TO TOUCH ON THOSE MAJOR QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHERS THAT COME THROUGH THROUGH OUR CONVERSATION, BUT THOSE ARE THE, THE FIVE THAT WE'VE TALKED THROUGH AT CLUB AND WE WANTED TO MOVE TO THIS BODY TO THINK ABOUT A BIT FURTHER.
UH, SO WHAT'S NEXT? SO THIS MONTH IS GONNA BE SIMILAR TO THIS FEBRUARY PLAN BRIEFINGS, WORKSHOPS TO DISCUSS AND TALK THROUGH AND BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED WITH WHAT FOUR DALLAS IS AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT MONTH'S MARCH THROUGH MAY.
UM, HAVING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, UH, BRIEFINGS AND WORKSHOPS THAT ENGAGES THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHAT, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT PLAN DOCUMENT.
UH, AND THE HOPE IS AS WE MOVE INTO JUNE, 2024, WE HAVE SOMETHING READY FOR COUNCIL TO ALSO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION AND, AND REVIEW AS WELL.
SO FOR THAT, THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
UH, EVERYBODY CAN STAY CONNECTED WITH OUR DEPARTMENT THROUGH, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE, ON THE SCREEN.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HOUSER PLEASE.
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COMMISSIONER HAND.I THINK SIMILAR TO, UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I'M, YOU KNOW, HEARING FROM MY COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOME FEEDBACK, SOME QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING OUT.
SO I THINK ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, UM, PARTICULARLY ONE OF THE PRIMARY QUESTIONS I'VE GOTTEN IS HOW THE PLACE CHI TYPES HAVE EVOLVED SINCE SOME OF THAT INITIAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND HOW THOSE ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
UM, I, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO PROBABLY GO THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA HAVE, SO WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR US AS COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THIS AND, AND THINK ABOUT THE INPUT THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM STAKEHOLDER GROUPS? NO, GREAT QUESTION.
SO I THINK, UH, WHEN WE DO DO COME BACK HERE TOO AS WELL, WE'RE GONNA DELVE A BIT MORE INTO DETAIL INTO THE HISTORY OF THOSE KEY ISSUE PLACE TYPES JUST TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO THOSE PLACE TYPES.
SO I THINK AS YOU CONTINUE TO, UH, ENGAGE YOUR COMMUNITY, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO, TO PULL OUT WHAT IS THE CORE, WHAT ARE THE CORE CONCERNS, UH, WHAT ARE THE CORE ISSUES AND WHAT ARE THE CORE DESIRES, UH, FROM A PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT, UM, THROUGH WHAT WE CAN THROUGH THESE FOR THIS LAND USE PLAN.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF KIND OF TALKING CAN GET PEOPLE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE WANT TO BE LOOKING AT THE CORE OF WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET FROM THESE PLACE TYPES IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, AND HOW CAN WE ACHIEVE THAT THROUGH THESE PLACE TYPES.
SO SHOULD WE HAVE THEM REACH OUT TO YOU? SHOULD WE, WE SEND YOU A LIST OF QUESTIONS, UH, ALL OF THE ABOVE, SO, OKAY.
AND I THINK IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHEN, WHEN WE DO HAVE THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE WANNA ALSO HEAR THEM COME AND SPEAK AT, IN THIS FORM, UM, AND SPEAK TO WHAT ISSUES THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING OR WHICH, UM, SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE RELATED TO THOSE PLACE TYPES.
WELL, I'M LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION AND UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN, UM, FACILITATE THAT ADDITIONAL NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UH, EARLY ON, YOU MENTIONED BY 2045 THE POPULATION OF THE DALLAS WOULD BE 1.6 MILLION.
I YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, THAT'S JUST CITY LIMITS.
THERE, I, IF I'M CORRECT, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ARTICLES IN THE NEWSPAPER AND STUFF LATELY, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME CHATTER THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY LOST POPULATION DUE TO HOUSING PRICES.
SO THERE, AS WE'RE GETTING POPULATION TO THE CITY CURRENTLY NOW THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY LEAVING THE CITY.
UH, SO OUR POPULATION'S KIND OF STAYED ABOUT THE SAME DURING THE LAST FEW YEARS BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING CRISIS.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE PROJECTIONS FROM A TRANSPORTATION ASPECT AND LOOKING REGIONALLY, UM, CITY OF DALLAS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE GROWING NOT AS FAST AS THE REST OF THE REGION.
SO THE REST OF THE REGION IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NEWER LAND, UM, EASIER TO DEVELOP, UH, FOR THE MOST, MOST CASES, SO THAT, THAT AREA IS GONNA BE DEVELOPING PRETTY QUICKLY OR EVEN QUICKER THAN US.
UH, BUT WE'RE STILL, BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS FROM COG, STILL ANTICIPATED TO GROW, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY RAPIDLY IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU ESTIMATE THE POPULATION RIGHT NOW? UH, I THINK, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S 1.3 MILLION, 1.3 MM-HMM,
UH, A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT BUSINESSES MOVING TO TEXAS.
UH, DO PEOPLE MOVE TO DALLAS OR DO THEY MOVE TO OUR SUBURBS? DO DO BUSINESSES BUILD, UH, CORPORATE OFFICES IN THE SUBURBS OR IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? I, I, I WOULD SAY YES TO, TO BOTH OF THOSE FOR TWO REASONS.
SO THE REGION, UH, THE NORTH TEXAS REGION, BECAUSE OUR CITIES WORK REALLY WELL TOGETHER WHERE YOU CAN BE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN.
THE CORE, LIKE THIS IS BASICALLY THE, THE NEXUS OF, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT YOU COULD STILL, YOU KNOW, DRIVE OR ACCESS, UH, CHEAPER LAND IN THE AREA, UM, AND ALSO DEVELOP THERE TOO.
SO WE'RE SEEING GROWTH EVERYWHERE, BUT, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS BASICALLY THAT, THAT NEXUS UM, THAT KIND OF MAKES EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND US WORK.
UH, SO WE'RE BEEN KIND OF FORTUNATE TO, TO BE THAT.
BUT THINK IN THE NEXT 20, 25 YEARS, THINKING ABOUT IF OTHER CITIES ARE GROWING FASTER THAN US, WHAT DOES THAT, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? WHAT DO WE BECOME? UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT.
WE HAVEN'T DELVED TOO MUCH INTO THAT, UM, WITH OUR, UH, PREVIOUS COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS, BUT THAT'D BE INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO, TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IF OTHERS ARE GROWING FASTER THAN US, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE STILL GROWING, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, UH, IN THE NEXT 20, 25 YEARS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND, AND ONE FINAL THING REAL QUICK.
UM, HOW DOES FORWARD DALLAS, UH, MELD WITH MAYBE SIMILAR PROGRAMS SURROUNDING US IN, IN, IN OUR SUBURBS? UH, ALSO A GREAT QUESTION.
SO AS WE LOOKED AT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AREA PLAN THAT MAP HAD KIND OF SHOWED THAT THE COMPOSITE COLLAGE, WE ACTUALLY DID THE SAME THING WITH ALL CITY, UM, COMP PLANS AROUND US.
SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR FUTURE LAND USES, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TYING THAT VISION REGIONALLY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING AT LANCASTER, WHAT'S
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HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, UP IN PLANO.ALTHOUGH, BECAUSE WE WORK AS THIS MEGA KIND OF MACHINE, UH, WE'VE LOOKED AT HOW ALL THOSE, UH, COMMUNITIES ARE GROWING.
SO A LOT OF THE GROWTH IS GONNA BE ACTUALLY HAPPENING, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SOUTHERN DALLAS.
THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTING.
SO A LOT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT SOUTHERN CITIES ARE SEEING, UH, WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT TOO AS WELL.
OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT TOO.
SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT CERTAIN INDUSTRIES TO GROW REGIONALLY, WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF HOW DO WE INCORPORATE, FOR EXAMPLE, INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE CITY WHEN EVERY OTHER CITY AROUND US IS FOCUSING ON THAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL TO THINK ABOUT LOCATION OF THESE LAND USES AS OTHER REGIONS ARE FOCUSING ON CERTAIN LAND USES TOO AS WELL.
I WANNA CIRCLE BACK TO THIS, UH, ATI YOU JUST SAID IN THAT LAST RUN, THERE WAS, UH, I THINK THE EXACT QUOTE WITH CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS.
WHEN, WHEN I READ THE FORWARD DALLAS, IF WE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BECOMING GENERALLY ACCEPTED THAT THERE'S A CRISIS WHEN YOU, WHEN HOUSING'S WRITTEN ABOUT IN PRINT, THAT'S THE TERMINOLOGY THEY USE.
BUT WHEN I READ FOR DALLAS THAT THAT DIDN'T REALLY LEAP OUT AT ME AND I WAS WONDERING IF, IF, IF THAT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS HAD, HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT WHY THAT IS? AND THEN LIKE REALLY, UH, DRIVEN DOWN INTO THE DATA ON, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS DO WE HAVE, HOW MANY APARTMENTS DO WE HAVE? AND THEN WHAT IS, WHAT ALSO DOESN'T REALLY COME OUT AT ME OUT OF THE PLAN IS WHAT IS A HEALTHY HOUSING EQUILIBRIUM LOOK LIKE FOR A CITY OF THIS SIZE? NOW THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION.
SO A FEW COMPONENTS TO WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT DOES A HEALTHY, UM, CITY IT LOOKED LIKE IN TERMS OF HOUSING? I, I, I THINK, I BELIEVE, UM, I THINK THE RATIO THAT OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT PROVIDED US IS HAVING ANYWHERE FROM 60%, UM, HOME OWNERSHIP, I BELIEVE IN THE, IN THE CITY, UH, IT'S KIND OF THAT SWEET SPOT TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A PARTICULAR CITY.
BUT I THINK WE ARE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE ABOUT 40% I YOU CONFIRM THAT WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE BELOW THOSE BEST PRACTICE RATIOS.
UM, ALSO ON THE GROUND AS WE ARE LISTENING TO COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, FROM THOSE WHO ARE YOUNGER WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE, UM, THAT WERE LOOKING TO BUY A HOUSE, BUT THEY CAN'T, THOSE WHO ARE AGING, WHO EITHER DON'T WANNA STAY WHAT THEY ARE 'CAUSE THAT THEIR LAND IS TOO BIG.
I'M IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MY NEIGHBORS ARE ON AVERAGE 50 YEARS, HAVE BEEN IN THE HOUSE 50 YEARS, AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO MOVE AWAY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE CLOSER TO, UH, AMENITIES.
UM, BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE DRIVING, YOU KNOW, 30 MINUTES TO SOMEWHERE ELSE DOESN'T, IS NOT, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THEM AND THEY CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE.
UM, THEY CAN'T MAINTAIN THEIR LAWN, YOU KNOW, HAD A NEIGHBOR BROKE HIS KNEE.
IN TERMS OF, UM, THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT'S AVAILABLE, UM, WE HEAR THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO GET TO THAT HOUSING THAT THEY WANT TO GET TO.
SO NOT JUST FROM THE LITERATURE THAT WE HEAR, NOT JUST FROM COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BUT THROUGHOUT JUST, UM, OUR RESEARCH TOO.
WE HEAR THAT THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ISSUE TO GET THE TYPE OF HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO GET.
UH, WITH FORD DALLAS, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE WANT THIS TO BE A VISIONARY DOCUMENT.
SO THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT VISION? WHAT IS THE SHOULD OF WHAT THE, THE CITY OF DALLAS SHOULD LOOK LIKE? SO WE TOUCH ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
UM, IN EARLY ON IN THE DOCUMENT, WE EVEN ACTUALLY CREATED A EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT.
IT LOOKS AT HOUSING, IT LOOKS AT TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE CAN ALSO FORWARD THAT TO THIS COMMISSION JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW, UH, WHAT THE, THE, THE TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT.
BUT WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT FROM THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT.
SO ALL OF THIS DOCUMENT PROBABLY DOESN'T DELVE INTO THE DETAIL OF THOSE CURRENT ISSUES.
WE CAN DO A BIT MORE, UM, WE CAN PROVIDE A BIT MORE CLARITY.
PROBABLY AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR DOCUMENT, THE FOCUS IS THE VISION, THE FUTURE OF WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO ON THAT, WHEN I THINK OF A PLAN, I THINK WE HAVE A REAL ACCURATE DEFINITION AND UNDERSTANDING WITH DATA OF WHERE WE ARE.
WE HAVE A REAL ACCURATE DEFINITION AND WITH ACCORDING NUMBERS WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
AND THEN THE PLAN TAKES YOU THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY AND, AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS SHAPED THAT WAY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS A PLAN COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW LIKE, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE SHORT THIS MANY HOUSING UNITS AND THEN QUARTERLY AT AT VERY LEAST BI-ANNUALLY, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE CITY REPORT BACK TO US AND
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SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE ON THIS IS HOW MANY APARTMENTS WE'VE ADDED.THIS IS HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOU HOUSING HOUSES WE'VE ADDED.
AND THEN WE COULD SAY, OKAY, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE CHARTING ON, WE'RE TRACKING ON TIME, UH, ON SCHEDULE, OR WE'RE NOT.
SO THAT WE ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY GONNA BE PART OF THE PLAN TOO AS WELL, HAVING A MONITORING PLAN THAT LOOKS AT THOSE PARTICULAR GOALS AND HOW ARE WE TRACKING TO GET THERE.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT OUR CONSULTANTS HELPING US SCOPE AND DEVELOP IS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THROUGH THIS.
UH, COMMISSION IS THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS WE WANNA TRACK AND MEASURE AND WHAT, WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? SO THROUGH THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH CLUB, WE'VE KIND OF BASICALLY BUILT THE, THE DOCUMENT STRUCTURE.
NOW WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE DETAIL IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT AND MAKE THIS REAL AND ALSO KEEP STAFF AND, UH, THE CITY PERSONNEL ACCOUNTABLE WITH MOVING TOWARD THOSE, THOSE GOAL ENDS.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, UH, DIRECTOR? SURE.
ANDREA IS PLENTY IN URBAN DESIGN.
UM, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND THAT THERE ARE OTHER POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT GET MORE INTO THE SUBJECT MATTER WEEDS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE DATA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS COMING DIRECTLY THROUGH THE HOUSING POLICY.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF IN THE HOUSING POLICY AND THERE ARE PIECES OF IT THAT WE CAN TAKE AND ALSO THAT WE USE TO INFORM TO SAY IN CERTAIN PLACE TYPES, WE NEED CERTAIN MIXES OF, OF USES OR RESIDENTIAL USES, OR WE SHOULD FOCUS OUR MULTI-FAMILY HERE AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HERE.
UM, SO SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE TRACK OR BECAUSE IN OUR GROUP IT IS, IT'S LAND USE AND ZONING AND DESIGN, THOSE ARE SORT OF THE THREE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CHARGE OVER.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY THE SPECIFIC HOUSING PRODUCTION, BUT INDIRECTLY WE CAN GET TO THAT BECAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT OUR ANNUAL REPORTS THAT SAY, DID WE SAY AMEND THE CODE TO PROVIDE CERTAIN HOUSING TYPES OR, OR CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF CERTAIN HOUSING TYPES THAT FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T HAVE TODAY.
UM, DID HOW MANY OF OUR, AND THIS IS IN THE ANNUAL REPORT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF OUR ZONING CASES DID SUPPORT MORE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN X AREA AND WHAT WERE THOSE TYPES? UM, SO WE WILL BE COMING BACK WITH THOSE METRICS, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE GENERAL IN THE LAND USE PLAN.
IN THE LAND USE PLAN WE'RE SAYING MORE SO WHERE DO YOU WANNA DIRECT THAT HOUSING IN GENERAL AND YES, GET INTO SOME OF THE INTENSITIES, BUT THE, THE WEEDS OF IT IS MORE GEARED TOWARD THE HOUSING POLICY DOCUMENT AND OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
SO, BUT THE CURRENT FORD DALLAS PLAN CALLS OUT SPECIFIC NUMBERS.
I MEAN IT CALLS OUT 26,000 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
I MEAN THERE'S, THERE ARE SPECIFIC RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO LAND USE.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THIS ANYMORE.
WELL LET ME ALSO CLARIFY TOO THIS, SO THIS IS THE D WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRADITIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE 2006 PLAN WAS THE MORE TRADITIONAL WHERE ALL OF THE ELEMENTS, THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STREETS ELEMENT WAS ALL IN THAT ONE PLAN.
IT'S NOW BEEN PARSED OUT INTO SEPARATE PLANS.
SO THIS PLAN IS JUST LAND USE, WHEREAS THE 2006 PLAN INCORPORATED A HOUSING EL ELEMENT INCORPORATED A SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENT, INCORPORATED THE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENT, THIS ONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF AND PARSED OUT THROUGH THE HOUSING POLICY SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE.
NOW THE REMAINING ELEMENT IS LAND USE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP MOVING.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE WILL BE RENO.
ANYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW MR. DANIEL? YES, MR. CHAIR.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT IT WILL BE RENO TO CLARIFY THAT DCA 2 23 DASH 0 0 8 WILL NOT BE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT A BRIEFING THAT IS OPEN.
UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL KEEP GOING.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
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IS ITEM 2 3 4 DASH 0 0 6.AS FOR A REQUEST FOR A CPC RELIEF TO THE STREET, THE STREET FRONTAGE REGULATIONS ALONG SOUTH VE STREET, WHICH IS ALSO A PRIMARY STREET, UM, DUE TO SITE CONSTRAINTS PER SECTION 51 P 1, 37 0.120 B FOUR C AND ALSO SECTION 51 P DASH 37.12 C FOUR V.
THERE'S SUB AREA TWO, WHICH IS THE MODERN DENSITY MIX USE CORRIDOR AND THEN ALSO SUB AREA THREE, WHICH IS THE FREEWAY OR ORIENTED HIGH DENSITY MIX.
UM, THE AREA REQUEST IS 3.1434 ACRES AND IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT NUMBER TWO.
UM, HERE'S LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG THE NORTH LINE OF SOUTH IRV, A STREET BETWEEN RICHARDSON AVENUE AND THE GULF CAR.
CAROLINA CAR, SORRY, CAROLINA AND SANTA FE RAILROAD.
UM, HERE'S A LITTLE BACKGROUND HISTORY AS FAR AS THE FREE THE STREET FRONTAGE RELIEF, UM, FOR SECTIONS, UH, ONE 20 BEFORE A V AND THEN ALSO C OF 1 24 V.
UM, IT STATES THAT CPC MAY APPROVE A SITE PLAN AT A PUBLIC HEARING THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS OF THE STREET FRONTAGE.
UM, IF THESE THINGS HAPPEN, UM, MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IMPARTIAL DUE TO SITE RESTRAINTS, UM, MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD NOT SUB SUBSTANTIALLY, UM, CREATE A HARDSHIP AND THEN ALSO IT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND ALSO STATES THAT THIS RELIEF MUST ALSO FOLLOW THE PURPOSE OF BOTH SUBDISTRICTS.
SO HERE'S THE APPLICANT RESPONSE, UH, RELATED TO THE SECTION.
UM, IT SAYS HERE'S SITE SITE COMPLIANCE STRICT WITH COMPLIANCE WITH THE STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT CREATE A HARDSHIP AS THE ONLY REASON FOR THE RELEASE IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHICH IS THE RETAINING WALL THAT'S, UH, RUNNING PARALLEL WITH THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE RESPONSE TO NUMBER TWO, UM, THIS EXCEPTION TO THE STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS ALONG SOUTH IRV STREET WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT SURROUNDING PROPERTIES FOR THERE IS ONLY THE BELOW PROPERTIES TO CONSIDER SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S INDUSTRIAL USE AND THEN WEST OF THE PROPERTY THERE'S A VACANT LOT AND A VACANT STRUCTURE AS WELL AS WELL.
UM, RESPONSE TO NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICATION FOR STREET FRONTAGE, UH, REQUIREMENTS WILL FURTHER THE PURPOSE OF BOTH SUB AREA TWO AND THREE.
UM, HERE'S SOME DETAILS OF THE REQUIREMENT.
FOUR, UH, SETBACKS ALONG SOFT VE THERE'S A MEN MAX, IT SHOULD BE A MAX OF FIVE FEET AND A MINIMUM OF 10.
AND WITHIN THAT THE STREET FACING FACADE HAS TO BE 70% WITHIN THE MEN MAX ALONG SOUTH IRV A STREET.
SO THE FRONT YARD'S PROPOSED REQUEST, SO CPC RELIEF IS, IS GETTING, IS BEING REQUESTED.
UM, THE SITE CONSTRAINTS IS THE RETAINING WALL THAT SERVICE THE STREET UNDERPASS THAT I STATED EARLIER.
AND THEN ALSO THERE'S SOME COMPLIANCE FOR FIRE LANE ON THE PROPERTY.
HERE'S AN AREA MAP THAT SHOWS THE SURROUNDING UH, ZONING DISTRICTS ALSO WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT AREA TWO SUB AREA TWO AND SUB AREA THREE IS.
UM, DOWN HERE KIND OF SOUTHEAST.
I HIGHLIGHTED THE RETAINING WALL IN YELLOW AND ALSO CALLED IT OUT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IN GREEN WHERE THE RAILROAD RUNS.
HERE'S THE ZONING MAP, KIND OF SHOWING THE SAME INFORMATION.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
RIGHT HERE I HAD THE AREA REQUEST, UH, HIGHLIGHTED.
IF YOU CAN SEE MY MILES, UM, RIGHT HERE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE ONLY SHOWING 13 FEET.
WE'LL GET TO THE NUMBERS IN A MINUTE, BUT I WANT TO RUN, UH, BY THE FIRE LANE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU GO INTO THE PROPERTY ON SOUTH VE AND THEN THE FIRE LANE KIND OF RUNS, UH, PARALLEL WITH THE RETAINING WALL AND THEN IT WRAPS AROUND TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN COMES BACK OUT AT ST.
PAUL AND KELLY AVENUE KIND OF MEETS HERE IS A ENLARGED VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN.
HERE'S LOOKING AT THE NUMBER NUMBERS.
AS OF NOW, THEY'RE ONLY MEETING 13%, UM, OF THE REQUIRED OF THE 70%.
SO THEY'RE REQUEST, THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR 57% RELIEF TO MEET THE 70% ALONG SOUTH VE HERE ARE SOME SITE, UH, PHOTOS.
THIS IS LOOKING NORTH KIND OF AT THE CORNER OF VE AND UH, RICHARDSON AVENUE.
UM, THIS IS LOOKING STRAIGHT ON ONTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, ON SOUTH VE YOU CAN SEE THE RETAINING WALL AND ALSO THE RAILROAD AND THE
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UNDERPASS.UM, THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET WHERE I TALKED ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND THIS IS LOOKING WEST WHERE I TALKED ABOUT THE VACANT LOT THAT HAS A STRUCTURE AND JUST SOME VACANT, UH, CONCRETE.
SOME OLD CONCRETE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN.
JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, UM, IN THE CASE REPORT AND I WILL GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO, UH, ONE OF MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS 'CAUSE I READ BY IT AS WELL.
UH, IS IT CORRECT THAT ON PAGE THREE I'M GONNA GET THE RIGHT NUMBER HERE, UH, THAT THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO PARNELL STREET THAT WAS, UM, INCLUDED IN ERROR THAT PARNELL DOES NOT IN PROXIMITY TO THIS LOCATION? I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP.
I HAD ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE OF THESE RELIEF STREET RELIEF CASES AND KIND OF THE STREETS ARE RUNNING TOGETHER IN MY BRAIN, BUT THAT SHOULD READ SOUTH, UH, VE INSTEAD OF PARKDALE.
I KNOW ALL OTHER INFORMATION IS THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE PHOTOS THAT WERE IN THE CASE REPORT.
UM, I THINK I DID SOME QUICK MATH.
THE, AND THE PRIMARY REASON WHY THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET THE STREET FRONTAGE IS BECAUSE OF THE FIRE LANE AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE RETAINING WALL FOR THE OVERPASS.
FOR THE TRAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT ROUGHLY 60% OF THAT FRONTAGE IS THE RETAINING WALL, UM, WITH THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE DOCKET.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT TO YOU? SO IF THE RETAINER WANTS 60%, SO WHAT WE USUALLY DO, WE'LL GO FROM ACTUALLY STREET TO THE RAILROAD AND WE'LL GET THE LT OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND THEN CALCULATE THE NUMBERS FROM THERE.
SO I JUST, AND I WILL SAY I'VE WAS ABLE TO VISIT WITH THE APPLICANT TEAM ON THIS.
I KNOW THEY WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH FRONTAGE AS THEY COULD.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION ON THIS.
ONE OF THE, UH, CRITERIA HERE IS, UH, THAT THE EXCEPTION NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND, UH, THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE ONLY TWO PROPERTIES TO CONSIDER AN INDUSTRIAL USE AND A VACANT LOT AND STRUCTURE.
BUT YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THIS EXCEPTION HERE WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT ANY FUTURE USE ON THOSE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
BUT WE REALLY TRULY TRY TO FOCUS ON WHERE THE REQUEST IS ACTUALLY THE AREA REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO THE OTHER SIDES OF SOUTH, UH, RICHARDSON AND THEN ALSO ST.
PAUL, THEY ARE MEETING THE STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF GEARED IT TOWARDS SOUTH VE AND WHAT WAS, UH, IN THE PROXIMITY OF AROUND SOUTH VE.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR EXCEPTION IS NOT LIKELY TO CAUSE ANY ADVERSE EFFECT ON ANY SURROUNDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS ONLINE? I, I CAN'T SEE YOU.
UH, SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, JUST GO AHEAD AND PIPE UP.
COMMISSIONERS WILL GO ONTO OUR ZONING CASES UNDER CONSENT AT THIS POINT, UH, CASES FIVE THROUGH 17.
THE FOLLOWING CASES HAVE COME OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA CASES NUMBER 6, 7, 10, AND 13, 6, 7, 10 AND 13 SIX WILL NOT BE, THAT'S MINE, RIGHT? YES.
UH, SIX WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT AND, UH, 13 WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FIVE, AND THEN FOR SIX, MS. MORMAN.
THIS IS ITEM Z TWO AND 2 2 84, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2393 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS FOR A THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD.
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IS ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND IS APPROXIMATELY HALF AN ACRE.THE, UH, THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, 3,500, BASICALLY 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS, A CONVENIENCE STORE, AN ASSOCIATED, UH, GAS STATION OR MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION, AND A RESTAURANT.
THE, UH, SUP HAD EXPIRE, EXPIRED ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2022, WITH THE APPLICATION HAVING BEEN FILED FOR RENEWAL ON, UH, JUNE 22ND OF 22.
UH, THE DELAY IN PROCESSING CAME FROM, UH, THE SITE VISIT WHERE THERE HAD BEEN SOME, THERE WAS SOME CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, AND, UH, WE WERE WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE AND WHAT IT WAS GONNA BE.
AS IT TURNED OUT, UM, IT IS STILL IN PROCESSES, PROCESS, AND PERMITTING WITH, UH, AND STILL IN PERMITTING.
UM, SO, AND IT IS ALSO NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACTUAL SUP REQUEST, THE, UM, CONVENIENCE STORE FOR IN SUP FOR, UH, ALCOHOLIC SALES.
UH, BUT TH THEN, UM, BUT THE, THE EXISTING USES ARE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT IS IN A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY, UH, THE SUP IS REQUIRED FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
IT'S LOCATED IN SOUTHEAST DALLAS, UH, NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD AND SEAGOVILLE ROAD.
THE SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USES ARE TO THE NORTH, UH, ZONE CR WITH D ONE OVERLAY.
UH, AT ITS, UH, RETAIL, NEW RETAIL, ACTUALLY, MS. MOR, MS. MORMON, WE CAN'T SEE YOUR SCREEN.
IT GOT REALLY SMALL THERE FOR A SECOND.
UM, AND TO THE EAST IS MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN DIRECTLY KIND OF SOUTHEAST IS UNDEVELOPED.
PARCEL TO THE SOUTH IS, UH, AUTO RELATED USES ON THE CORNER OF SEAGOVILLE AND BELTLINE, UH, TO THE WEST IS ANOTHER GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE WITH MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING, AND IT DOES HAVE AN SUP FOR, UH, ALCOHOL SALES.
AND THEN TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST IS UNDEVELOPED LOOKING, UM, STANDING TO THE EAST, UH, LOOKING NORTHWEST ONTO THE SITE.
THIS IS STANDING TO THE SOUTH, UH, LOOKING, UH, ON SEAGOVILLE ROAD, LOOKING NORTHEAST TO THE SITE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS ON SITE AND THIS IS THE SURROUNDING LOOKING, UH, STANDING ON SITE LOOKING NORTH TO THE NEWLY CREA, NEWLY DEVELOPED, UH, RETAIL, UH, STANDING ON SITE LOOKING EAST TO THE, UH, IN CONSTRUCTION OR IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE MULTIFAMILY, LOOKING TO THE SOUTHEAST, WHICH IS THE UNDEVELOPED, AND THEN LOOKING DIRECTLY SOUTH OR THE AUTO RELATED USES AND LOOKING TOWARDS THE WEST ACROSS, UH, SEAGOVILLE ROAD IS, UM, ANOTHER, UH, CON THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE REFUELING.
AND THIS IS LOOKING, THIS IS TO THE, UH, WEST OF THE SITE, LOOKING EAST TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE SITE IN THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
THIS IS, THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER.
SO THE CON, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON WILL NOT ALTER THE SITE PLAN AT ALL.
THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS GOING ON, THAT'S HOLDING THINGS UP AND PERMITTING, IT'S NOT GOING TO ALTER THE SITE PLAN AT ALL.
IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S, IT IS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT IS STILL IN PERMITTING WITH, UM, WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND BUILDING INSPECTION.
IT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS REQUEST.
AND HAS THIS, UM, SO THIS WAS NOT DELAYED WAITING FOR
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THEM TO PASS THEIR 12 B INSPECTION.THEY HAVE STAYED IN COMPLIANCE WITH 12 B.
UM, THIS HAS NOT BEEN HELD UP WAITING FOR THEM TO PASS THEIR CONVENIENCE STORE 12 B INSPECTION.
THEY DID, UH, THEY DID GET THEIR CONVENIENCE STORE REGISTRATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, COMMISSIONER'S, ITEM NUMBER SIX WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT, UH, DATE TO BE DETERMINED THIS MARCH 7TH.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THIS.
YES, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE APPLICANT HAD A REQUEST AND THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS GO WELL BEYOND THE REQUEST.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU OFFLINE ABOUT THIS.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO BRIEF IT TODAY 'CAUSE WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE QUESTION, DR.
RID? UM, I WOULD, WHATEVER CONDITION, I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN FULLY BRIEF IT TODAY, WHICH IS WHY I'M HOLDING IT.
WE NEED MORE INFORMATION THAT WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION NUMBER SIX.
IT'S NOT READY TO BE BRIEFED YET, BUT, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I JUST, THERE'S LOTS OF MOVING PARTS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT IN PUBLIC.
NO, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC.
SO THERE WAS A LAW THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR, HB 71 0 7, I THINK.
AND IT, UH, RELATES TO REGULATIONS THAT IT CAN APPLY TO AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL.
THIS PD WAS FORMERLY FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL, AND SO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE WERE TO POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THAT LAW.
WE NEED CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO ACTUALLY DO THAT ANALYSIS, AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DO THAT.
SO I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE AS TO WHAT IS OR IS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE LAW THAT PASSED LAST YEAR UNTIL WE'VE GOT MORE TIME THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN LOOK INTO IT.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? YEAH, JUST IF I MAY, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UM, AND I KNOW WE RECEIVED SOME COMMUNICATIONS, UM, FROM STAKEHOLDERS THAT I WOULD HOPE WILL BE PART OF WHAT WE HEAR WHEN THIS COMES BACK TO US, JUST TO UNDERSTAND CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED VERSUS MAYBE WHAT COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS WERE FROM.
UM, PRIOR REVIEWS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND I HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH THE COMMUNITY A LOT AND THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS BEING HELD UNTIL THERE'S MORE INFORMATION AND THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION AND I'D LIKE IT BRIEFED WHEN WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AND WE CAN HAVE COMMUNICATED ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? WE'LL KEEP GOING.
SEVEN, UH, IS OFF CONSENT, MR. PIPPI? GOOD MORNING, SIR.
THERE ARE SO MANY COLORS ON THIS SCREEN AND, AND LITTLE POP-INS.
I'M SURE YOU DON'T SEE THEM, BUT IT'S DISTRACTING FOR ME.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT LARGER FOR YOU GUYS.
AND THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8 42 WITH AN MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY IN AN AREA BOUNDED BY GREENVILLE AVENUE, LA VISTA DRIVE, HOPE STREET AND LEWIS STREET.
AND IT IS JUST, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS 0.661 ACRES AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO OPERATE A, AN EXISTING RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH, DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE DURING LATE HOURS MIDNIGHT TO 2:00 AM MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.
VOODOO DONUTS IS THE BUSINESS AND IT'S LOCATED IN LOWER GREENVILLE.
AND HERE'S THE AREA OF REQUEST.
IT IS FOR A WHOLE PARCEL SITE.
THE REQUEST WOULD ONLY APPLY TO SINGLE SUITE
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THROUGH MEANS THAT WILL BE DESCRIBED LATER.UH, BUT GENERALLY IT'S ON GREENVILLE, UH, TO THE NORTH.
THERE'S PERSONAL SERVICE USES.
THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTH NORTHEAST.
UH, THERE'S MULTI-FAMILY CADDY CORNER TO THE NORTHEAST.
THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST, AND THERE'S A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH TO THE SOUTH.
AND THERE'S A VERTICAL MIXED USE COMPLEX TO THE WEST WITH SOME RETAIL MULTIFAMILY RESTAURANTS.
AND PD 8 42 WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2011, CREATES ITS OWN DEFINITION, KNOWN AS LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT.
LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT IS DEFINED BY THE PD AS A RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE USE THAT OPERATES BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 6:00 AM.
IT'S NOT A BROADER USE IN THE CODE, IT EXISTS JUST IN MSPD, UH, REQUIRES AN SUP IN THIS DISTRICT.
THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT HAS COME FORWARD.
THIS SUITE ADDRESS, UM, THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IT FOR IS 1806 GREENVILLE, UH, NUMBER ONE 20.
AND GENERALLY THERE'S A ROUGHLY 12,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STRIP BUILT IN 1930 AND A 7,700 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE AREA FROM 1962.
THE SITE AND CONDITIONS LIMIT THIS LATE HOURS TO JUST ONE OF THE SUITES.
VOODOO DONUTS, A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE.
RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN NOVEMBER, UM, FOR THE 3 1 1 1 SQUARE FOOT SUITE, AND THE RESTAURANT MAY OPERATE BY RIGHT IN THE DISTRICT AND ONLY NEEDS THE SEP FOR THOSE OPERATIONS PAST MIDNIGHT.
AND THEY'RE FINALLY REQUESTING THE SEP TO EXTEND OPERATIONAL HOURS FROM MIDNIGHT TO TWO DAILY.
SO BECAUSE ZONING IS IN REGARDS TO THE WHOLE PARCEL, I WILL SHOW THE WHOLE PARCEL.
UM, AND SO TECHNICALLY THE WHOLE PARCEL IS THE AREA OF REQUEST.
HOWEVER, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT AHEAD HERE IS THE SUITE THAT'S, UM, BEING REQUESTED AND LIMITED BY THE SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
AND NOW MOVING DOWN ON GREENVILLE, TURNING THE CORNER, UM, ON LEWIS STREET, TURNING THE CORNERBACK ONTO HOPE STREET, MAKING A FULL CIRCLE, AND NOW LOOKING NORTH AT THE ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH.
THE, UH, PERSONAL SERVICE, UH, HISTORIC RETAIL BUILT OUT ALONG GREENVILLE AND THE MIXED USE COMPLEX DIRECTLY ACROSS GREENVILLE AND SOME OF THE RETAIL THAT'S FARTHER TO THE SOUTH.
AND THE RESTAURANT THAT'S ACROSS LEWIS TO THE SOUTH AND THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TO THE EAST.
HERE'S THE PROPOSED SUP SITE PLAN.
I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE, THAT'S, THAT'S MARGINALLY BETTER.
SO THIS IS THE SUITE WE CAN SEE IT.
IT'S LIMITED ON THE SITE PLAN AND LIMITED IN THE CONDITIONS, SO THAT 3,111 SQUARE FEET.
AND SO THEIR CONDITIONS ARE STANDARD.
THEY REQUEST TWO YEARS OF THE AUTO RENEWAL.
THEY LIMIT THEIR FLOOR AREA TO THE FLOOR AREA OF THE SUITE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
THEY PROVIDE, UM, THAT LIMIT ON HOURS OF OPERATION.
AND FROM MIDNIGHT 2:00 AM MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, AND THEY PROHIBIT OUTDOOR SPEAKERS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A SITE LINE OF CONDITIONS AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH, I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT HAD ASKED FOR THIS TO BE 24 HOUR OPERATIONS DO, AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE APPLICATION WAS.
WELL, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE MIDNIGHT TO TWO CAN BE POTENTIALLY CLARIFIED IF THEY INTENDED SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY SUBMITTED ARE FROM MIDNIGHT TO TWO.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MR. PEPE.
I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, A PARAGRAPH ON PAGE 1 39 OF THE DOCKET ABOUT THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS.
IT SAYS, OVERALL, THE SEP AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS REQUIRES PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AND POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDRESS OPERATIONAL CONCERNS.
AND IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS WITH OPERATIONAL CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, CAN CHANGE CONDITIONS OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW ALTER THINGS THROUGH THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS.
AND THAT, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, IF SOMETHING COMES TO YOU FOR AUTORENEW, DOESN'T STAFF SIMPLY MONITOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN? THERE IS NO VERIFICATION OF OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS.
COMPLIANCE WITH OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS.
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OUR AUTO RENEWAL STAFF, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, WHEN THEY GET OUR AUTO RENEWAL, THEY CHECK IN ON THE SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS, SEE IF THOSE ARE MET.BUT IF THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF, UM, OPPOSITION, BECAUSE WE DO NOTIFY FOR THOSE, IF THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF, UM, OPPOSITION IN THE AREA OF REQUEST, THEN IT WOULD TRIGGER A FULL, A FULL TRADITIONAL HEARING FOR AN SUP AT WHICH POINT THEN, BUT THAT, THAT REQUIRES, CAN BE ADJUSTED THAT REQUIRE 20% OF THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, IS THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IF IT'S JUST A SINGLE OR A FEW, UM, OWN, UH, RESIDENTS WHO LIVE CLOSE BY WHO HAVE EVEN VERY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS, THERE'S NOT A MECHANISM THROUGH THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS.
THE STAFF CANNOT CHANGE THE SITE PLAN OR CONDITIONS THROUGH THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS.
WELL, THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS INVOLVES THAT PUBLIC NOTIFICATION.
SO THAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THE CHANGING OF THOSE POTENTIALLY, NO, IIII DON'T THINK I'M GETTING THERE.
UH, MR. PEPE, GIVEN THE LOCATION, I ASSUME THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THERE THAT OPERATE TILL 2:00 AM OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE REQUESTED SUVS THROUGHOUT THIS PD? THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT OPERATE PAST MIDNIGHT.
SO IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA INTO THE NORTH, THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED WITHIN PD 8 42.
AND SO THOSE ONES, ANY BUSINESSES GENERALLY TO THE NORTH AND SOME TO THE SOUTH, UM, ARE IN THAT PD 8 42 AND THEY NEED AN SUP TO OPERATE AFTER MIDNIGHT.
IF IT WERE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING, COMMUNITY RETAIL, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CASE.
THEY COULD OPERATE WITHOUT THE SUP, UH, WITHIN OTHER, WITHOUT OTHER REGULATIONS.
BUT THE, THE PD IS WHAT REQUIRES IT.
AND SO, YES, A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES NORTH OF HERE ESPECIALLY HAVE SUVS WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THIS IS MORE AN EDUCATION FOR ME BECAUSE WHEN YOU MENTION THE PUBLIC NOTICE, IT MADE ME REALIZE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
I KNOW NOTIFICATIONS GET SENT BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID TO THE NOTE OR THE NOTIFICATION AREA RECEIVES THE NOTICE.
IS THERE A POST-IT NOTICE AS WELL OR IS IT ONLY THE NOTIFICATION TO THE AREA? MY EXPERTS ON THAT SIDE ARE SAYING THAT YES, THERE IS A POST-IT NOTICE AS, AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE ANSWER.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU MR. P, MS. GARZA.
I AND AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, WE'RE STILL LEARNING THINGS.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, RIGHT?
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS KZ 2 2 3 2 5 9.
THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO DEED RESTRICTION Z 8 56 DASH 1 34 ON PROPERTY ZONE IN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF OLD HICKORY TRAIL, SOUTHWEST WHEATLAND ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 3.7 47 ACRES.
IT'S ON THE SOUTH OF DALLAS, THE AERIAL MAP.
UM, SO THIS IS THE SITE IN BLUE, UH, SURROUNDING, UM, USES AROUND THE SIDE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE GREATER THAN, THAN 100,000 SQUARE FEET TO THE NORTH MULTIFAMILY, UNDEVELOPED.
AND AGAIN, MULTIFAMILY TOWARDS THE SOUTH AND THE WEST? YES, THE WEST.
AND THEN THERE'S UNDEVELOPED AND OFFICE SHOWROOM TO THE EAST.
SO THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED UNDER ZONE AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT WITH DUE RESTRICTIONS ZA 56 1 34.
ON THIS, ON AUGUST OF 2015, THE CITY COUNTS APPROVED AN MF A, I MEAN F MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, A PROPERTY ZONE IN RRR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH DATE RESTRICTIONS.
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DEVELOP MULTI-FAMILY, HG RESTRICTIONS Z 8 56 DASH 1 34 PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE SIDE.THUS, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO AMEND THE DUE RESTRICTIONS TO PERMIT RESIDENTIAL USES ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON SITE LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTH AGAIN.
AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ON ONSITE LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTH.
AND THEN STUFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AT THE TIME, THE, UM, ZONING WAS CHANGED BACK IN 2015 FROM RR TO MF.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION WAS TO BUILD A, A NURSING CONVALESCENT HOME, WHICH NEVER HAPPENED.
SO NOW THEY'RE WANTING TO DO, UM, MULTIFAMILY.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MOST OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS DON'T, AREN'T PERTINENT AT ALL TO MF SONY WAS, WAS THERE ARE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK TAKEN AT THESE, UM, DEED RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE PROHIBITING BAR AND RESTAURANT USES, WHICH AREN'T ALLOWED IN MF MOTOR VEHICLE RELATED USES.
UM, IT TALKS ABOUT ELEVATED LOADING DOCKS AND TOTAL FLOOR AREA FOR ALL RETAIL USES.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THEM IS NOT PERTINENT OR SO NO STRUCTURE MAY EXCEED 40 FEET IN HEIGHT.
I I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE GENERAL APPLICABILITY OF THE DEALER RESTRICTIONS WHEN THE BASE ZONING IS MF.
YES, SO THE DEALER RESTRICTIONS WERE PRIOR TO THE REZONING OF THE ACTUAL REGIONAL, UM, FROM REGIONAL RETAIL TO MF TWO A.
SO THOSE DUE RESTRICTIONS WERE BACK AND WE BELIEVE IN LIKE THE 18, LIKE 1980S MM-HMM
IT WAS GONNA BE, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO DO ALL COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY THEY DID ALL THOSE DUE RESTRICTIONS.
UM, AND THEN BACK IN 2015, UM, THIS, UM, PROPERTY OWNER BOUGHT THE WHOLE ENTIRE, UH, THE, THOSE LANDS AND THEY, THAT'S WHEN THEY PROPOSED TO DO THE, THE CUDO LAND, UM, IN NURSING, UM, HOME SPOT HOSPITALIZED.
AND BECAUSE NONE OF THE D RESTRICTIONS WERE GONNA BE, UM, WITHIN THE, THE, THE USE, THEY DIDN'T, UH, NEED TO AMEND THOSE.
SO THEY JUST KEPT THEM AS THIS.
BUT IS TRACK D ALL THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SITE? IS IT THE MF TWO SITE? SO THIS SITE IS JUST, UM, THE TRACK D IS ONLY THAT BLUE PORTION.
SO THE OWNER ACTUALLY OWNS THE WHOLE ENTIRE, UM, RECTANGULAR SITE OKAY.
BUT, UM, THEY'RE ONLY AMENDING THIS BECAUSE TRACK DEED IS JUST IN THAT BLUE PORTION THAT THEY OWN.
COMMISSIONER CHADWICK, PLEASE.
SO I HAVE AN EDUCATION QUESTION.
SO WHEN THE BASE ZONING IS CHANGED, IT DOESN'T IMPACT EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE IN PLACE.
THAT I'M AWARE HER THAT IT'S OKAY, I FIND THAT CONFOUNDING, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION.
I, I I DON'T, THAT SEEMS TO BE VERY COUNTERINTUITIVE.
THAT'S KIND OF ONE POINT TO MAKE.
UH, RELATED TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BASE ZONING AS A LAYER.
WE HAVE OVERLAY DISTRICTS LIKE D AND D ONE IS AN ADDITIONAL LAYER, BUT THAT'S REALLY STILL PART OF STANDARD ZONING.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE ALL THESE OTHER LAYERS.
AND ONE OF THOSE LAYERS OF ADDITIONAL REGULATION ON A PROPERTY IS, UH, APPLICANT VOLUNTEERED PUBLICLY ENFORCED, CITY INVOLVED DEED RESTRICTIONS.
AND UM, THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS, AS LILIANA MENTIONED, WERE FOR A PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME AND THEY DON'T CHANGE UNLESS WE AMEND THEM AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
THEY DON'T CHANGE WITH STANDARD ZONING BASED DISTRICTS OVERLAYS, ET CETERA.
TYPICALLY WHEN DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE VOLUNTEERED CURRENTLY AND IN THE PAST, UH, IT IS TO MAKE A PROPOSAL ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY MORE, UM, ATTRACTIVE OR AMENABLE OR WHATEVER TO DECISION MAKERS AT THAT TIME.
SO WHAT WE CAN SEE A LOT WITH THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS IS, UH, REGULATIONS FOR THAT ONE PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, BUT REALLY NOT ANY FURTHER
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HISTORY OR CONTEXT ON THOSE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST NOT PART OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS DOCUMENT.
SOMETIMES WE CAN GO BACK INTO THAT CASE FILE FROM 1982 OR SOMETHING AND LOOK AT A CASE REPORT THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.
BUT, UM, BECAUSE G RESTRICTIONS ARE USUALLY A CALL FROM DECISION MAKERS THAT'S NOT REALLY GONNA BE ENCOMPASSED IN A STAFF AUTHORED CASE REPORT.
UM, SO WE CAN RUN INTO TROUBLE LIKE THIS OVER TIME.
YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS IF YOU HAVE LAYERS OF LAND USE, YOUR, YOUR BASE ZONING IS YOUR FIRST LAYER.
AND THEN YOU WOULD DO DEED RESTRICTIONS BASED ON WHAT THAT BASE ZONING PERMITS.
AND IF THE BASE ZONING IS CHANGED, MY BRAIN WOULD THINK THAT YOU START A NEW, AND IF YOU WANTED TO DO DEED RESTRICTIONS, YOU WOULD DO THEM ANEW AND THEY WOULD RELATE TO THE NEW BASE ZONING.
I'LL PUT THIS IN THE HOPPER FOR THINGS MAYBE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE LOOK AT AMENDMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.
'CAUSE THIS DOES SEEM VERY COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT JUST, JUST ONE ADDITIONAL POINT TO MAKE ABOUT THAT IS THAT DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE ITEM.
THEY'RE AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE SET OF REGULATIONS THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO ZONING DISTRICTS CAN CHANGE OVER TIME.
I HEAR THE REGULATIONS OF THOSE CAN, BUT DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE ENTIRELY SEPARATE FROM THAT.
BUT IS IS THAT THE RIGHT ANSWER, IS MY POINT? I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I JUST FURTHER INFORMATION FOR THE COMMISSION, AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ONE EXTRA STEP THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH IF THE BASE ZONING IS BEING APPROVED AS A CHANGE.
I HEAR YOU THAT CURRENTLY THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE A DIFFERENT PART OF SOMETHING.
IT JUST SEEMS VERY COUNTERINTUITIVE THAT THEY WOULD DRAG IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY APPLY TO THE BASE ZONING.
AND ANOTHER BASE ZONING SHOULD CONTROL.
AND ANOTHER HICCUP WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALWAYS, I INSTRUCT MY STAFF TO SAY THIS AND I INSTRUCT EVERYONE TO USE THIS LANGUAGE, THEY ARE VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT, VOLUNTEERED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WE AS CITY STAFF, YOU DECISION MAKERS CANNOT COMPEL IN ANY KINDA LEGAL WAY AN APPLICANT TO VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS.
SO IF LATER ON, UH, WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED TO MF TWO, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN THE QUESTION AT THAT TIME, WOULD YOU MIND AMENDING YOUR DEED RESTRICTIONS TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT ZONING? THAT PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT TIME WAS UNDER NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO SO? THEY CAN JUST SAY, NO, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP THEM AS IS AND MOVE FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN? OH, PARDON.
I I JUST WANTED TO LIKE TOP EVERYTHING RUN.
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT EXPLANATION.
HENCE WHY USUALLY STAFF IS VERY WORRY AND CAUTIONS YOU WHEN ACCEPTED THE RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE ALL THINGS IN THEM.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN? SORRY, JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IT GOES TO, BUT THIS EXAMPLE WHERE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE IN TENSION WITH THE EXISTING UNDERLYING ZONING TO SOME EXTENT ARE, ARE THERE TIMES WHEN THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE ZONING SUCCESS? SUCCESSIVE CHANGE, SUCCESSIVE ZONING CHANGES ON A PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS NEVER KIND OF BUMP UP AGAINST THE UNDERLYING, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, A DEED RESTRICTION COULD TOTALLY HYPOTHETICAL HERE, NOT TALKING EXTRA CODE PROHIBIT A BATCH PLANT ON, ON, ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
AND A PROPERTY MIGHT GO FROM MF TO SINGLE FAMILY TO SOME SORT OF RETAIL DISTRICT.
AND OVER THE COURSE OF THAT TIME, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL THAT THERE ARE ALSO DEED RESTRICTIONS PROHIBITING A BATCH PLANT.
BUT THERE ARE CASES LIKE WE SEE TODAY WHERE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THE, UH, INTENDED USES ARE KIND OF AN UNDERLYING ZONING ARE AT LOGGERHEADS.
AND THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY ZONING CASE IS UNIQUE.
THIS IS WHY WE CONSTANTLY SAY, UH, EACH ZONING CASE IS EVALUATED ON ITS OWN MERIT BECAUSE NO TWO CONTEXTS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
UM, AND THEN I'LL ADD A ANOTHER POINT.
SO IN YOUR SCENARIO YOU SAID, OKAY, IT CHANGES FROM, UH, R 75 TO CR TO MF TO IR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THOSE ARE ZONING CHANGES.
YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT, A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER FILES AN APPLICATION ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO REZONE IT.
UM, HOWEVER, IN THIS INSTANCE, BECAUSE IT SPANS ACROSS 1987 WHEN 51 A WAS ADOPTED, IT'S POSSIBLE, I MEAN THIS IS AGAIN A HYPOTHETICAL, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE A PROPERTY CAN BE ZONED MF TWO, WHICH IS THE CHAPTER 51 VERSION OF THE CURRENT MF TWO A AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT HAS D RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED ON IT AT THAT TIME, AND THEN, UH, A NEW CODE IS ADOPTED.
THAT'S AN EFFORT THAT WE HAVE JUST KICKED OFF, UH, LAST YEAR.
AND THE REGULATIONS OF THAT DISTRICT CHANGE, NOT BECAUSE OF A ZONING CHANGE, BUT BECAUSE OF A CODE UPDATE.
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SO THEN AGAIN, THE CONTEXT CHANGES AGAIN AND PERHAPS THERE ARE, UH, NEW REGULATIONS IN THE NEW ITERATION OF THAT DISTRICT.ALTHOUGH THE DISTRICT ITSELF HASN'T CHANGED, THERE COULD BE REGULATIONS IN THAT NEW ITERATION THAT CONFLICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS AS WELL.
IT'S JUST MORE KIND OF LOGISTICS TO CONSIDER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS CASE? WE WILL KEEP GOING THEN.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. GARZA.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 2 76.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR OUR RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW VEHICLES DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON THE SITE.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST MOCKINGBIRD LANE, NORTH LINE OF PLANTATION ROAD IN THE EAST OF HALL AVENUE.
THE AREA MAP OUTLINED IN BLUE IS THE, UM, AREA OF REQUEST.
THIS IS THE ZONING MAP TO THE NORTH IS, UH, MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH IS UNDEVELOPED.
EAST AND WEST ARE RETAIL USES.
THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED MU THREE.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AND IT DOES HAVE MULTIPLE SUITES.
THE STRUCTURE WAS BILLED IN 1966 AND THE AREA OF REQUEST HAS FRONTAGE ON MOCKINGBIRD LANE AND PLANTATION ROAD.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO ALLOW VEHICLE DISPLAYS SALES AND SERVICE ON THE SITE.
AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST AN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BE PICTURES OF THE CURRENT SITE AND THE SURROUNDING USES.
THIS IS ON ONSITE, ON SITE AGAIN, AND THESE ARE THE SURROUNDING USES ON WEST MOCKINGBIRD LANE.
AGAIN, ON WEST MOCKINGBIRD LANE, WEST MOCKINGBIRD LANE AGAIN.
AND THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR PLAN IN YOUR CASE REPORT.
COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW YOU ALSO EVALUATED THE STEMMONS, UM, MEDICAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THIS AREA? YES, MA'AM.
THE STEMIS CORRIDOR, UM, THE MAIN GOAL IS TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE.
UM, SO THE CURRENT USE, THE BUSINESS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN OPERATING SINCE 2015 AND IT'S JUST A SMALL STRIP WITHIN THE MEDICAL CORRIDOR.
SO BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPANDING, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE LAND USE IS TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE.
SO PART OF THE, UM, SOUTHWEST MEDICAL DISTRICT, I THINK ENVISIONS, UM, MOCKINGBIRD PARTLY TO BE A, UM, RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND SUPPORTING TO THE SURROUNDING MEDICAL DISTRICT, LARGER MEDICAL DISTRICT.
SO WOULD IT BE FAIR THAT THE RETAIL USE, YOU THOUGHT REGIONAL RETAIL SUPPORTED THAT LARGER VISION EVEN THOUGH IT'S REMOVING THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
MS. BRIDGES, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, UM, MS. BRIDGES, DID YOU SAY THAT THE CURRENT USE IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME? THEY'RE JUST EXPANDING? YES, MA'AM.
SO ARE THEY PERMITTED TO HAVE THAT USE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING? WELL, THE CURRENT USE THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW IS AUTO SERVICE.
WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UM, VEHICLE DISPLAY.
SO RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT MU ZONING.
AND ARE THEY CONDUCTING THAT ACTIVITY THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED? I'M NOT FOR SURE ABOUT THAT.
UM, ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THE BUSINESS IS EXISTING.
UM, MS. BRIDGES, UH, WHEN THE, AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, THIS IS ON CONSENT.
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TO THE OWNER.I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PHRASE THIS AS A QUESTION, I CAN'T QUITE GET THERE, BUT I DID ASK THAT.
WERE YOU AWARE,
WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE CURRENT BUSINESS IS ONLY SERVICE AND THAT THEY ARE SEEKING TO ADD SALES AND LEASING? SO WHILE THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST BEFORE US TODAY, SERVICES ALLOWED AT MU THREE SALES AND LEASING IS NOT, WHICH HAS LED TO THE REQUEST BEFORE US.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE ASSIST, MR. CHAIR AND THE APPLICANT IS SHAKING HIS HEAD YES FOR THE RECORD.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HAVEN'T, ARE YOU AWARE ALSO, I JUST, ARE YOU AWARE IN THESE CASES WHERE WE HAVE A, A STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGE FROM ONE, UM, ZONING CATEGORY TO ANOTHER, IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR US IF YOU INCLUDE A CHART THAT TELLS US, THAT SHOWS US WHAT USES ARE ENABLED IN THE NEW ZONING THAT WEREN'T IN THE OLD.
I DID GO THROUGH AND I DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING TROUBLESOME, BUT IT IT IS VERY HELPFUL.
THANK YOU FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. JUSTICE.
WE'LL GO WITH, UH, MR. CLINTON.
COMMISSIONERS HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT AND WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SEE COMMISSIONER HERBERT ONLINE.
DID YOU ANNOUNCE COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UH, HAS JOINED US? 10:40 AM FOR THE RECORD.
HOW YOU DOING? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE Z 2 2 3 3 3 3.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL MO MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING USE ON PROPERTY ZONE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING.
LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF DUNCANVILLE ROAD AT INTERSECTION OF WEST KEITH BOULEVARD AND SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD, APPROXIMATELY 20.64 ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, SURROUNDING USES, UH, TO THE NORTH.
UH, THERE'S INDUSTRIAL RETAIL TO THE EAST, RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE SOUTH, ALSO INDUSTRIAL USES AND THEN TO THE WEST.
SO IT'S CURRENTLY, UH, UNDEVELOPED, UH, LAND WITH AN EXISTING PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
UH, THE LOT SITS AT INTERSECTION AND HAS FRONTAGE ON DUNCANVILLE ROAD, WEST KEITH BOULEVARD AND SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD.
AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING USE.
UH, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WOULD EXPIRE IN THREE YEARS AND, UH, THIS SUP IS TRIGGERED, UH, DUE TO THE RESIDENTIAL U RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE, THE SITE.
AGAIN, THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE ADJACENT TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.
HERE WE HAVE SOME SITE VISIT PHOTOS.
THIS IS ON SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD.
SO WEST, THIS IS ALSO ON SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD.
LOOKING NORTHWEST HERE, WE'RE ON, UH, SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD.
LOOKING NORTHEAST, SAME LOCATION, BUT LOOKING SOUTHWEST, OR I'M SORRY, SOUTHEAST HERE.
WE'RE ON KEITH BOULEVARD, WEST KEYS BOULEVARD.
LOOKING WEST, THIS IS ADJACENT TO THE SITE, LOOKING WEST AGAIN ON WEST KEYS BOULEVARD.
LOOKING TOWARD THE PROPERTY, THE SAME LOCATION LOOKING EAST.
LOOKING NORTH HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, PROPOSED SUP CONDITIONS.
THIS IS THEIR, UH, PROPOSED SITE PLAN
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AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? UH, YEAH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.
UM, SO, UH, MR. CLINTON, ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UH, THIS, UH, APPLICANT ALSO OWNS PROPERTY ALONG THE SAME CORRIDOR? I AM.
UM, SO CURRENTLY, UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, AFTER OUR LAST WINTER FREEZE THAT, UH, A LOT OF THEIR LANDSCAPING HAS DIED OFF, UM, AND, UM, THE TREES AND IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK? SO, UM, AT, DID YOU NOTICE THAT WHEN YOU WERE ON SITE COMMISSIONER HERBERT? IS THAT THE, I'M SORRY, I MISSED THE BEGINNING OF YOUR QUESTION.
WAS THAT THE AREA OF REQUEST THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? IT IS NOT, UH, THAT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S BEFORE THE BODY.
THIS IS JUST THE, THE PROPERTY THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION.
UM, SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS FOR THIS, UM, CORRIDOR THAT'S, UH, SURROUNDED BY THREE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS? YES.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
AND, UM, I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THAT IN FURTHER DETAIL.
UM, BUT THEIR LANDSCAPING IS, UM, COMPLIANT.
UM, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH, UM, OUR EXPERTS IN THE LANDSCAPE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS, UH, THE ARBORIST DEPARTMENT AND THEY CAN CONFIRM THAT.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT, UH, THE FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S A LOT OF BARBED WIRE FENCING.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THIS APPLICANT HAS PLANS TO USE BARBED WIRE? UM, BECAUSE ON THE AREA THAT'S 500 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, I THINK THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF BARBED WIRE, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? YES.
SO BASED ON THE ZONING, THE USE OF UH, BARBED WIRE IS ALLOWED AS LONG AS, SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND MY, UH, POINTS HERE.
SO AS LONG AS IT IS, UM, IT'S ALLOWED IN, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UM, AND IT HAS TO BE SIX FEET OR MORE ABOVE GRADE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT FOR THIS PROPOSED SITE, THAT WILL BE A QUESTION THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY, THEIR INTENT, UH, WITH BARBED WIRE, IF THEY WANT TO USE BARBED WIRE OR NOT.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, AND THE QUESTION REGARDING THE 500 FEET, UM, PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AND THE USE OF BARB WIRE, IS THAT, UM, NOT THE CASE OR ARE YOU AWARE, OR CAN YOU LOOK INTO THAT? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? THE CASE OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS BEING 500 FEET WITHIN THE PROXIMITY OF THIS COMMERCIAL SITE, UM, I WAS UNDER MY PREVIOUS HISTORY OR EXPERIENCE THERE, THERE WAS RESTRICTIONS OF USE OF BARBED WIRE WHEN THERE WAS A 500 FEET PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL.
YES, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AS LONG AS THE BARBED WIRE DOES NOT GO BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE AND AGAIN IS ABOVE SIX, UH, SIX FEET ABOVE GRADE, THEN THE BARBED WIRE IS ALLOWED.
MY LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE SITE.
I DIDN'T SEE, UM, DIDN'T, DIDN'T SEE THAT THERE WAS A, UM, A DELINEATION OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESS, BUT I KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA ACROSS THE STREET HAS VERY, A LOT OF TROUBLE COMING OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE INGRESS AND INGRESS OF THIS SITE ON WALTON ROGERS AT ALL? YES.
SO BASED ON THE APPROVED AND STAMPED, UH, PLANS, THE PROPOSED SITE WILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY THREE ACCESS POINTS.
UM, I CANNOT CONFIRM WHICH ONE WILL BE PRIMARILY USED.
UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE VISITING THE SITE WILL MAKE THE BEST DECISION AND USE THE ACCESS POINT THAT IS MORE, UH, CONVENIENT FOR THEM DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION THAT THEY'RE TRAVELING FROM.
UM, AND, UH, ADJACENT ROADWAY CONDITIONS WILL, UH, ADEQUATELY HANDLE THE PROJECTED TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE A STAMP AND APPROVE, UM, PLANS AS WELL AS A CONFIRMATION FROM, UM, TEXDOT.
UM, AND, AND I ALSO HAVE, UH, DAVID FROM ENGINEERING, UM, IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
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COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THE STAFF REPORT SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT THE USE THAT'S BEEN GOING ON AT THIS SITE IS AN OUTSIDE STORAGE USE.IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT IS ONE OF THE USES ONLY ONE, BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS ALREADY OPERATING AS A COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING WITHOUT BENEFIT OF THE PROPER PERMITS.
AT THE PRESENT TIME, THEY HAVE 71 SPACES FOR EXISTING TRAILER PARKING AND THEY HAVE, UM, TRUCKS, 37 TRUCKS, AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS TO A TOTAL OF 87 AND THE NUMBER OF TRAILERS TO 288 SPACES.
SO IT'S AN EXPANSION OF, OF A COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING LOT? YES.
UH, IF I COULD JUMP IN ON THAT ONE REAL QUICK.
UM, SO THE ONLY THING UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH THIS CASE IS IF THE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING USE SHOULD BE PERMITTED BY SUP.
UM, AS MR. CLINTON STATED, THIS SITE ALREADY HAS AN APPROVED SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, ET CETERA, UM, FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT, UH, EXISTING USES ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S PRIMARILY A TRUCKING COMPANY.
THERE, UH, IS ALSO A CO FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE ON THE LOT.
UM, HOWEVER, IN THE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS, UM, THEY WERE SENT TO US BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD THEY NEED AN SUP TO ALLOW THAT COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING USE.
SO THOSE OTHER USES I MENTIONED, UM, I BELIEVE ARE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING SPECIFICALLY, THEY NEED THIS SUP BEFORE THEY CAN LEGALLY DO THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE FOR ME IS THE, THE EXISTENCE AND EXPANSION OF COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING THAT CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UM, THERE'S A, A STATEMENT HERE THAT STAFF IS COMFORTABLE THAT A AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS SUFFICIENT TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS USE FOR THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UM, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED WITHIN 500 FEET OF COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING LOT, A MUCH SMALLER ONE THAN THIS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE.
BUT THAT'S A STATEMENT, NOT A QUESTION.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE CONSIDERABLE PROBLEMS WITH THESE USES CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN TERMS OF THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT DIESEL TRUCKS TEND TO GET STARTED UP AT FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND ROAR FOR HOURS, THE AMOUNT OF FUMES THAT ARE EMITTED BY POTENTIALLY 87 TRUCKS? AND UH, I GUESS I'M, UH, MY QUESTION HERE IS, IS THERE TRULY A STAFF BELIEF THAT ONE EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS ADEQUATE TO DEAL WITH THE NOISE AND THE AIR POLLUTION FROM THIS TYPE OF USE? I WANNA FIRST COMMENT AND SAY I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT PARTICULAR STATEMENT IS COMING FROM.
HOWEVER THE APPLICANT IS SUGGESTING AND PROPOSING, UH, BUFFERS ALONG THAT EAST SIDE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY TO MITIGATE ANY NOISE OR VISUAL, EXCUSE ME, ANY NOISE OR VISUAL, UH, POLLUTION FROM THE SITE.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VISUAL POLLUTION JUST SEEING THE TRUCKS IS NOT REALLY THE PROBLEM.
UM, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT I'M, I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO ASK THESE IN A STRANGE WAY, THESE QUESTIONS.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT A FENCE AND A A, THE NORMAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER REQUIRED WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADJOINING USES, LIKE THIS IS SUFFICIENT TO DEAL WITH THE NOISE AND THE POLLUTION FROM ALL THESE TRUCKS IF IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY? YES.
COMMISSIONER
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS GOES TO YOU, MR. CLINTON, OR IF THIS MAY BE, UH, MR. NAVAREZ QUESTION.
I SEE THE, THE THREE INSTANCES, THERE'S ONE ON WALTON WALKER, THERE'S ONE ON UM, KEY AND THERE'S ONE ON DUNCANVILLE AND THE ENTRANCE ON INGRESS EGRESS ON, ON WALTON WALKER IS ACROSS FROM THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IS THAT INGRESS EGRESS REQUIRED BY CITY ENGINEERING STANDARDS OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE? OR IS THAT JUST WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO? BASED ON MY REVIEW AND THE EXISTING, UH, SITE PLAN AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, IT LOOKS TO ME THAT
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THEY HAD AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY THERE.SO THEY WERE MAKING USE OF THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO BE COMPLIANT, UM, WITH ENGINEERING STANDARDS, TRAFFIC STANDARDS AS WELL.
I, I, I FOLLOWED THAT, THAT THEY'RE MAKING USE OF THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
NOW THERE'S LIKELY THREE DRIVEWAYS ON THEIR SUP SITE PLAN.
IF THERE WERE JUST THE ONE ON KEY AND JUST THE ONE ON DUNCANVILLE, WOULD THAT SUFFICE FOR ENGINEERING AND CODE PURPOSES OR WITH THAT THIRD INGRESS EGRESS ALONG WALTON WALKER LOOP 12 ALSO BE REQUIRED? I THINK DAVID WOULD BE MORE, UH, IN A BETTER POSITION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UH, I FELT LIKE I COULDN'T HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE UH, I WANNA LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT IN FACT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED ENGINEERING SETS OF PLANTS IN 2021.
WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THEM SINCE THEN.
UNBEKNOWNST TO ALL OF US THAT THERE BE THE NEED FOR AN SUP.
I'M VERY HAPPY THAT THEY'RE HERE GETTING YOUR INPUT.
UM, I WISH WE ALL HAD CAUGHT THAT IN 2021.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THEIR PLANS, UH, FOR PAVING DRAINAGE, WATER WASTE WATER, TRANSPORTATION.
THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY ASSOCIATED REQUIRED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND UM, AND SUBSEQUENT TEXT.REVIEW, TEXT DOTS REVIEW AN APPLICATION FOR TEXT DOTS REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
UH, THE ASSESSMENT OF TRAFFIC ALSO INCLUDED, UH, THE ADEQUACY OF THEIR ACCESS POINTS WITH IT CAME THE NEED FOR LEFT TURN LANES.
THERE'S A RIGHT TURN LANE CONSTRUCTION ALREADY ON THEIR PLANS, UM, SOUTHBOUND ON WALTON WALKER AND THEN MODIFICATIONS ALL THREE DRIVEWAYS.
UH, I UNDERSTAND, AND I WOULD RELAY THIS TO THE APPLICANT, THERE IS A SPECIFIC, UM, MANAGEMENT FOR EACH DRIVEWAY.
NOT ALL OF 'EM ARE, UM, WOULD ALLOW AN ENTRANCE.
SOME OF 'EM WOULD BE GATED AND CONTROLLED, SPECIFICALLY THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, DUNCANVILLE, DUNCANVILLE, DUNCANVILLE.
SO AS FAR AS ANSWERING THE QUESTION RELATED TO WHETHER OR NOT THREE ACCESS POINTS ARE ADEQUATE, ADEQUATE, I DO KNOW THAT WE'VE REVIEWED ALL THREE OF 'EM AND ALL THREE OF THEM MEET CD STANDARDS, UH, AND HAVE BEEN MODIFIED TO COMPLY WITH CITY STANDARDS AS WELL.
IN DIGGING INTO THE SITE PLAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY A REFERENCE TO A EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE ON, ON KEYS.
SO THEIR THOUGHT IS RATHER THAN USE THAT GATE FOR INGRESS EGRESS PUSH ONE, YOU KNOW, TO THE, I GUESS ALONG KEY NEAR THE, THE WALTON WALKER INTERSECTION PUT THE OTHER ON WALTON WALKER NEAR THE, THE KEY INTERSECTION ACROSS FROM THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? YES.
LIZ LES IS RIGHT ON LINE ON WALTON WALKER.
WALKER IS THE, IN MY OPINION, THE ROUTE THAT HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO MAJOR THROW FAIRS.
WELCOME WALKER BEING A MAJOR THROW HERE.
UM, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT CREATING AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT FROM KEY RELIEVES THAT ONE ACCESS POINT THAT IS SHARED WITH RE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY THEIR ACCESS ON WALTON WALKER IS NEEDED FOR THIS SITE.
I'M BORDERLINE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPED BRAND.
SO THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THEM.
UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THEIR ACCESS ON WALTON WALKER IS SUFFICIENT AND MEET CD STANDARDS.
I BELIEVE THAT THE ACCESS ON, UM, EAST BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT NOW PROVIDES AN ALTERNATIVE OF ACCESS FROM THAT SAME ACCESS POINT.
SO THERE, THERE'S A CERTAIN TENSION THERE BECAUSE THE, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THERE'S A TENSION THERE BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS ON LOS ROBLES IS ALSO HAPPENS TO BE CITED ACROSS FROM THE MM-HMM
SO I MEAN IT'S A RESIDENTIAL STREET AND THEREFORE GOT IT.
THANK YOU MR. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER CHADWICK.
UM, MR. CLINTON, JUST A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON THE BUFFER.
AS IT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN, IT'S 30 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE SETBACK FROM THE FENCE IS ABOUT 24 FEET.
WHAT IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED BUFFER?
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I'M SORRY? ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN OR THE, THE SITE PLAN ON THE EAST SIDE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY? AND THE QUESTION WAS WHAT'S THE MINIMUM? YES, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE MINIMUM IS UH, SIX FOOT BUFFER.AND SO THEY'RE A BIT OVER THAT.
AND I GUESS I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE MANEUVERING AND OPERATIONS.
UM, SOME OF THIS OTHER QUESTIONS, I HAD A QUESTION SIMILAR TO, UM, VICE CHAIR RUBIN ABOUT THE ACCESS OFF OF WALTON WALKER.
SO I THINK WE'VE COVERED THAT FAIRLY WELL.
UM, THE CONDITIONS ALSO NOTE THAT THE SCREENING IS REQUIRED ON THE EAST SIDE AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
THERE'S ONE NOTE THAT, UM, CALLS OUT A SECURITY FENCE, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THAT SECURITY FENCE IS CONTINUOUS AROUND THE SITE.
UM, IS WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF SCREENING WILL BE PROVIDED OTHER THAN THE HEIGHT? SO THE, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED REGARDING THE SCREENING FOR THAT PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE APPLICANT, REALLY WAS MORE SO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR THAT BUFFER THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, NOW WE COULD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS IF HEIGHT IS AN ISSUE, RIGHT.
'CAUSE THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING AS A COMMON THEME HERE.
UM, HEIGHT BEING AN ISSUE AND MAYBE WANTING A HIGHER OR A TALLER BUFFER ON THAT SIDE.
WELL, SO IT'S, IT'S NOTED AS EIGHT FEET MM-HMM
SO WAS THERE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT THAT MIGHT BE? THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO THERE WAS NO, UH, CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD PERTAINING TO THE MATERIAL BASED ON MY SITE VISIT.
IT LOOKS LIKE AN ALUMINUM FENCING.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN JUST TWO QUICK FOLLOW UPS ON THAT.
YOU MENTIONED THAT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED BY THE ARBORIST AND APPROVED.
IS THERE PLANTING IN WHAT'S BEING REFERRED TO AS THE BUFFER, THIS 24 FOOT ZONE? YES, IT THERE IS.
UM, AND I CAN ALSO SEND THAT TO YOU AFTER THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL I THINK TO UNDERSTAND UM, WHAT THAT IS.
AND THEN FINAL QUESTION, UM, AND THIS MAY ACTUALLY BE FOR MR. MOORE AS THIS IS AN SUP AND AS THERE IS RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, IF THIS BODY WERE TO FIND THAT RAZOR WIRE WAS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE SUP CONDITIONS? YES.
COMMISSIONER, TRY, I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP ON VICE CHAIR RUBIN'S QUESTIONS.
COULD WE ADD TO THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY CAN ONLY USE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS ON WALTON WALKER AT SPECIFIC TIMES? I THINK THAT COULD BE INCLUDED.
UM, CAN WE ALSO, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A GATE ON THE DUNCANVILLE SIDE, WHICH MAKES ME THINK THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE PRIMARY.
IS THERE A WAY TO ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS WHERE THE USE OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESS ON WALTON WALKER IS MINIMIZED? SO AGAIN, BASED ON MY SITE VISIT, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THE ENTRANCE ON DUNCANVILLE IS THE PRIMARY ACCESS AS OF RIGHT NOW BECAUSE AGAIN, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND EXISTING PARKING IS IN THAT SOUTH OR NORTHWEST CORNER, UM, OF THE SITE.
SO AGAIN, THAT SEEMS TO BE THEIR MAIN POINT OF ACCESS RIGHT NOW I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS WITH MAKING WALTON WALKER, UH, LESS ACCESSIBLE OR, UH, LESS BUSY, UH, DURING THE DAY, UM, TO HONOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE EAST.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD BRING UP TO, UH, THE APPLICANT.
BUT LIKE WE COULD LIMIT IT TO JUST WEEKDAYS, WE COULD LI LIMIT IT TO CERTAIN HOURS.
DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SCHOOL BUSES TRAVELING FOR THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA? IT WOULD BE GOOD TO NOT HAVE A BUNCH OF TRUCKS ON WALTON WALKER IF CHILDREN ARE BEING TRANSPORTED TO SCHOOL.
YEAH, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE ONE.
JUST QUICK FOLLOW UP MR. CLINTON.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THE 30 FOOT, UH, ENHANCED BUFFER LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE ON THE EAST SIDE.
UH, DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT CONSIDERED INCREASING THAT? I KNOW WE, WE'VE SEEN
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OTHER CASES.I THINK THE LAST ONE MAY BE IN DA WHERE WE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THAT.
IN FACT, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU MEAN INCREASING THE WIDTH OF THE BUFFER OR THE CORRECT, THE WIDTH OF THE BUFFER? UM, NO, THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING I COULD BRING UP.
MM-HMM,
UH, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THIS, UH, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE, THE SCREEN? YES, WE ARE.
IT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP NUMBER 2 0 6 6 AT 1909 WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD.
SO AS MENTIONED, THIS IS, UH, THE, UH, REQUEST FOR A RENEWAL OF SEP NUMBER 2 0 6 6 TO ALLOW THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR A GENERAL I MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST INTERSECTION OF WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AND NORTH BRIGHTON AVENUE.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL, UM, WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ROUGHLY 11,000 SQUARE FEET OR JUST OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE, OF THE SITE.
SO, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOL IN THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
UH, AND THE REQUEST IS FOR AN APPROVAL PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS WITH THE ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR AN ADDITI ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.
THE ORIGINAL SUP WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2016 AND, UH, THE APPLICANT DID MISS THEIR AUTO RENEWAL WINDOW.
SO HERE IS, UH, THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE.
IT'S, UH, BORDER SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, TO THE EAST.
AND THEN THERE'S AN AUTO SERVICE USE DIRECTLY, UH, WEST AND THEN CROSS JEFFERSON.
THERE'S, UH, EXISTING PARKING AND RETAIL.
HERE'S THE ZONING FOR THE SITE.
THERE IS A MULTIFAMILY, UM, ZONE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE DUPLEX JUST TO THE NORTH, BUT THOSE, UH, ARE CURRENTLY, UM, DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
SO HERE'S A PICTURE OF, UM, FROM BRIGHTON LOOKING WEST, ONCE AGAIN FROM BRIGHTON LOOKING WEST, THEN ON JEFFERSON LOOKING NORTH.
AND THEN, UH, ON JEFFERSON LOOKING NORTHWEST.
APOLOGIZE FOR THE UM, PIXLEY PICTURE AND HERE'S THE SITE PLAN AND THEN, UH, AN ENLARGED SITE PLAN AS WELL.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
CASE NUMBER 12, MS. GARZA, BACK TO YOU.
ITEM NUMBER 12 IS KZ 2 34 DASH ZERO TWO.
THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2068 FOR A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAM AND PROPERTY ZONE.
TRACK A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69.
THE DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE EAST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND EXPOSITION AVENUE, APPROXIMATELY 10,629 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE IN BLUE,
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UH, SURROUNDING USES, UH, TO THE NORTH THERE'S A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT.THERE'S ALSO PERSONAL SERVICE USE.
UM, THERE'S SURFACE PARKING AND ANOTHER GENERAL MERCHANDISER FIT STORE LAWS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
TO THE WEST, YES TO THE WEST, UH, TO THE SOUTHEAST, THERE'S AN OFFICE AND THEN THERE'S SERVICE PARKING TO THE NORTH.
THE AREA REQUEST IS DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING ONE STORE, APPROXIMATELY 1,803 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND A 395 SQUARE FOOT PERGOLA DECK ON JANUARY OF 2014.
CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2068 FOR A BAR, LOUNGE OR TOWN FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
AND THEN IN 2015, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SUP NUMBER 2068 FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
AND THEN IN NOVEMBER OF 20 FEBRUARY OF 2019, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE SUP 2068 FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONTINUATION OF THIS SUP.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON ONSITE, LOOKING NORTH ON ONSITE LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST AGAIN LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
THEN SURROUNDING USES ON ONSITE LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST AND LOOKING NORTH AND THEN LOOKING NORTHEAST.
AND THEN ON MAIN STREET LOOKING SOUTHWEST ON EXPOSITION AVENUE LOOKING NORTH.
AND THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UM, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE, TO THE SITE PLAN.
AND THEN STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
DID, UH, WAS ANYTHING RECEIVED FROM THE DEEP A ASSOCIATION ABOUT THIS RENEWAL? WE NORMALLY GET SOME SORT OF EMAIL OR COMMUNICATION FROM THEM GIVING US THEIR OPINION.
NO, I, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I SEE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON REACHING FOR THE BUTTON.
UM, MS. GARZA, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE DEPOT FOUNDATION, UM, HAS REGULARLY REVIEWED AND IS AWARE OF THIS REQUEST? NO, I'M NOT AWARE.
WELL I, UM, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE REVIEWED AND, AND ARE AWARE OF THE REQUEST.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER CHADWICK? I JUST HAVE A NOMENCLATURE QUESTION.
IS THIS JUST A RENEWAL OF THE EXISTING OR IS IT TRULY AN AMENDMENT AND THERE ARE AMENDED CONDITIONS? IT'S JUST A RENEWAL.
SO WHAT IS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS MEAN WHEN WE SAY SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS? THAT MEANS FOR RENEWAL LIKE THIS, IF NO OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS ARE CHANGING, UH, IT'S JUST AN AMENDMENT TO THE TIME LIMIT CONDITION, WHICH HAS TO BE CHANGED WITH THE NEW EXPIRATION DATE OF THE SUP.
BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, THE TIME LIMIT BEING REQUESTED IS FIVE YEARS, WHICH WAS THE SAME TIME LIMIT AS THE PREVIOUS SUP.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, SUP CONDITIONS IN A, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL ADOPTED ORDINANCE, IT DOESN'T SAY FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF APPROVAL.
IT SAYS THE EXACT DATE THAT IT WILL EXPIRE.
AGAIN, MINE WAS A NOMENCLATURE QUESTION.
SO NO CHANGES TO WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR THE PAST YEAR FIVE YEARS? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, UH, NEXT ITEM, MR. VICE CHAIR.
WE'RE GONNA BE HOLDING THIS ITEM.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE'RE ON TO ITEM 14.
UH, MS, YOU SAID HOLDING TILL MARCH 7TH.
UM, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
CAN Y'ALL, Y'ALL CAN'T SEE THAT? OF COURSE.
THIS IS CASE Z 2 3 5 ZZ 2 34 DASH 1 0 5.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CR COMMUNITY
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RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.UH, IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD IN MOBERLY LANE, APPROXIMATELY 1.53 ACRES IN SIZE.
AND JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON THE DOCKET ITSELF, IT SAYS, UH, C-R-D-C-R-D ONE, UH, DISTRICT.
THEY ARE MAINTAINING THE, OR PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
IT WAS LOCATED HERE IN THE FAR EASTERN SECTION OF DALLAS.
THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY AS IT IS.
THERE'S SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD THERE IN THE CENTER WITH THE ZONING MAP HERE.
WE SEE THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF USES AROUND THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THERE'S A USE CLASSIFIED AS OFFICE SHOWROOM SLASH WAREHOUSE DIRECTLY TO THE EAST.
NORTH OF THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH AS A VARIETY OF GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORES, PERSONAL SERVICE USES, OFFICE BUILDINGS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN MULTIFAMILY TO THE WEST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
AS I MENTIONED, CURRENTLY ZONED IN LA LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY BUILDING THAT IS UNOCCUPIED.
THE LOT HAS FRONTAGE ON SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD IN MOBERLY LANE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH A FUNERAL HOME.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT HERE.
WE'RE ON SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD LOOKING EAST, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ACTUALLY SORT OF A LITTLE ACCESS ROAD OR SERVICE ROAD THAT'S, UH, RUNS ALONGSIDE OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD, LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST AND THEN TO THE NORTH.
WE'RE JUST GONNA KIND OF SLOWLY TURN AROUND 360 DEGREES THERE.
YOU SEE THAT MULTIFAMILY THAT I MENTIONED.
AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF MOBERLY AND SOUTH BUCKNER.
THIS IS JUST TAKING SOME STEPS CLOSER.
SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SERVICE ROAD, LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE SUBJECT SITE AND THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST HERE, WE'RE ON THE CORNER OF BUCKNER AND MOBERLY.
LOOKING SOUTH, THERE ARE THOSE VARIOUS, UH, GENERAL MERCHANDISE, PERSONAL SERVICE USES, ET CETERA.
LOOKING NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND THEN TO THE NORTHEAST.
AND WAY IN THE BACKGROUND IS THAT, UH, THAT YOU, THAT AGAIN CLASSIFIED AS OFFICE SHOWROOM SLASH WAREHOUSE.
HERE'S A COMPARISON TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THESE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, EXISTING AS THE ALLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PROPOSED AS THE CR COMMUNITY.
RETAIL FAIRLY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF SETBACKS.
THERE'S NO FRONT SETBACK REQUIRE OR THERE'S A FRONT SETBACK OF 15 FEET.
THERE'S NO MINIMUM SIDE OR REAR SETBACK.
THE FLOOR AREA RATIOS ARE SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY WITH CR IS 0.5 FOR OFFICE USES AND 1.0 FOR ALL USES COMBINED.
CR DOES HAVE A LOWER HEIGHT LIMIT THAN LI IT'S ALSO A LITTLE LESS INTENSIVE IN TERMS OF LOT COVERAGE.
UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN PRIMARY USES OF CR IS ONE OF THE LESS INTENSIVE RETAIL TYPE DISTRICTS FOR, AGAIN, RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE OFFICE USES.
LI THAT STARTS GETTING INTO MORE OF, KIND OF, AS IT SAYS ON THE LABEL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, BUT NOTHING TOO HEAVY.
UH, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WHEN YOU ARE ADJACENT TO OR DIRECTLY ACROSS AN ALLEY FROM RESIDENTIAL TYPE DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY.
UM, IF THIS WERE NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HALL.
WHAT'S ON SITE RIGHT NOW THAT ARIEL SHOWS A BUILDING? YES, I BELIEVE IT WAS A, UH, FRATERNAL LODGE AS IT WERE.
SORT OF A ELK'S LODGE TYPE OF, UH, SITU, UH, ORGANIZATION.
UH, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS CURRENTLY UNOCCUPIED.
THEY, UH, IT WAS BOUGHT BY THE, UH, DO THEY, DO THEY PLAN TO USE THAT BUILDING OR TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW? YEAH, I BELIEVE THEY DO.
I REVIEWED A SITE PLAN, WHICH TO REMIND IS NOT PART OF THIS, UH, CONSIDERATION HERE FOR GENERAL ZONING CHANGE, BUT I BELIEVE THEY INTEND TO REPURPOSE THE BUILDING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MORTUARY.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THIS IS AN EDUCATIONAL QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, I THINK IN MY SIX YEARS, I, I HAVE A, WE HAVEN'T HAD A REQUEST FOR A, A FUNERAL HOME OR MORTUARY, BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE ALSO THE RIGHT TO RUN A CREMATORIUM THAT I'M ACTUALLY NOT ENTIRELY SURE OF.
UM, I WANNA SAY THAT A CREMATORIUM WOULD BE A SEPARATE USE, BUT I CAN, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH, I COULD NOT FIND A USE THAT YES, SEEMED TO MATCH UP TO ME, BUT LET ME FIND THAT VERY QUICK.
YES, MORTUARY FUNERAL HOME IS THE USE AND I CAN WAIT FOR THE ANSWER.
THERE'S NO REASON TO HOLD UP THE BRIEFING, BUT THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
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LET'S FIND OUT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? YES.
WERE YOU AWARE THAT UM, THE, THE BUSINESS THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, THE, UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING MORTUARY IN THAT IN PLEASANT GROVE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, OVER 50 YEARS? ABOUT 50 YEARS? I AM, I, I LOOKED THEM UP WHEN I WAS DOING MY INITIAL, UM, INITIAL RESEARCH AND I SAW THAT THEY'VE BEEN, BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE.
CERTAINLY A AN INSTITUTION I THINK.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
CASE NUMBER, UH, 15, THAT LITTLE MARATHON HERE.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 1 8 1 FOR A TATTOO STUDIO ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB-DISTRICT TRACK DAY WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 6 9, THE DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ELM STREET AND APPROXIMATELY 4,791 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE FOR THE BUILDING OVERALL.
UH, THE REQUEST AREA ITSELF IS, I BELIEVE, UH, 1100, 1200 SQUARE FEET LOCATED IN DEEP EL.
HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE BUILDING AND THEN SPECIFICALLY THE SUITE, UH, IN WHICH THE TATTOO STUDIO IS LOCATED.
TYPICAL FOR THIS PART OF DEEP EL, THE MIX OF USES INCLUDING A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE OF THE NORTH AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ESTABLISHMENT, UH, GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE SURFACE PARKING TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED IN THE TATTOO STUDIO AND IT'S EXISTING TATTOO STUDIO WITH A 1,264 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA.
CITY COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE RENEWAL OF SUP NUMBER 2 1 8 1 FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD ON FEBRUARY 13TH, 2019.
UH, THE SUP EXPIRES ON FEBRUARY 13TH OF THIS YEAR, AND THE APPLICANT FILED FOR RENEWAL ON SEPTEMBER 13TH OF LAST YEAR.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THE AMENDMENT FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD TO CONTINUE OPERATION OF TATTOO STUDIO.
THEY DO NOT PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OR SITE PLAN.
AND IN PD 2 69, IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THAT TATTOO STUDIOS MUST BE AT LEAST 300 FEET AWAY FROM ALL OTHER TATTOO AND BODY PIERCING STUDIOS ON THE SAME STREET.
UH, LOOKING AT THE LOCATION OF TATTOO STUDIOS THERE, THE NEAREST ONE IS ABOUT 850 FEET AWAY.
SO ALL WITHIN THOSE, UH, REGULATIONS THERE, HERE WE'RE ON ELM STREET, LOOKING SOUTH AT THE SUBJECT SITE TO THE EAST, THEN THE NORTHEAST ACROSS THE WAY TO THE NORTHWEST AND TO THE WEST.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED.
MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT AGAIN, SEE HERE THAT, UH, THERE'S, THAT THE, THE OVERALL BUILDING.
AND THEN SPECIFICALLY IS THIS LONG NARROW STUDIO OR SUITE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE BUILDING STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER CHAIR, PLEASE.
UM, IS THERE A REASON IT'S NOT AN AUTO RENEW? DO WE ALWAYS JUST MAKE SURE THAT LIKE TATTOO PARLORS COME UP FOR JUST FIVE YEARS SO THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US? I'M JUST A, IT'S A CURIOSITY QUESTION.
I'VE, THIS IS MY FIRST TATTOO STUDIO CASE.
MY FIRST CASE WITH ONE AS WELL.
UM, I WENT WITH THE, UH, FIVE YEAR PERIOD AS THAT'S WHAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, I THINK THAT GENERALLY WITH THE AUTO RENEWALS, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER, I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON KIND OF LONGEVITY OF THE BUSINESS AND IT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SOME, OR NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THE BUSINESS OWNER TO SOME RESPECT TO DETERMINE, OKAY, IS THIS, DO WE PLAN TO STAY HERE FOR A WHILE OR NOT? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAN.
UM, MR. BATE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT PART OF THE REVIEW BY THE DEEP EL FOUNDATION ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A LEASE PERIOD, UM, RELATIVE TO USES AS THEY'RE EVALUATING SUP REQUESTS? I WAS UNAWARE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, NEXT CASE PLEASE.
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THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH HUNDRED 12.THE AMENDMENT OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 2 2 0 FOR SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF PV ROAD AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, HERE IT IS, UH, SORT OF THE NORTHEASTERN CENTRAL, NORTHEASTERN SECTION OF THE CITY.
AERIAL MAPS SHOWING THE SUBJECT SITE AND THE ZONING MAPS SHOWING A MIX OF USES.
IT'S A NEAT, NEAT LITTLE DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU HAVE THESE, UH, THERE'S A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE IN.
THERE'S A LIQUOR STORE USE NEARBY, UH, DRY CLEANING AND LAUNDRY.
AND THEN NEXT TO IT IS A DUPLEX USE AS WELL AS THE R 7.5 A.
IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN SERVICE WITH 1,140 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SEP NUMBER 2220 FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON NOVEMBER 9TH, 2016, WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.
THE SEP EXPIRED ON NOVEMBER 9TH OF LAST YEAR, AND THE APPLICANT FILED FOR RENEWAL ON OCTOBER 25TH.
OUTSIDE OF THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WINDOW.
THE REQUESTING AMENDMENT OF THE SUP FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD TO CONTINUE THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVING OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE, AND DO NOT PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OR THE SITE PLAN OF THE SUP.
WE'RE ON PV STREET LOOKING NORTHWEST.
THE BUSINESS IS NOT IN THE PHOTO, BUT, UH, WE JUST WANT TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE LOOKING NORTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER AND LOOKING SOUTHEAST ON PV ROAD NOW LOOKING WEST AT THE SUBJECT SITE ITSELF AND THE BUSINESS.
AND THEN STEPPING AWAY, LOOKING NORTH TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT DUPLEX DISTRICT THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE ZONING MAP.
AND THEN LOOKING SOUTH, THIS IS IN FRONT OF THE SUBJECT SITE ITSELF, SHOWING THE PARKING LOT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS, SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SEE YOU.
MR. BATE, YOU HAVE THE HOT HAND, SIR.
ALL RIGHT, CASE IS Z 2 34 DASH ONE 13.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 9 3 3 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE.
3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONED IN MU 1D ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH ZANG BOULEVARD IN SUFFOLK STREET, APPROXIMATELY 11,674 SQUARE FEET.
UH, HERE IT IS IN SORT OF THE SOUTHERN CENTRAL, UH, PART OF, UH, THE CITY OVER IN OAK CLIFF.
HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING, UH, PROPERTY.
THE ZONING MAP AS WE SEE IT, IS LARGELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY AND HAS THIS RESTAURANT TO THE NORTH AS WILD RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE-IN.
SO IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND TWO GAS PUMPS.
AND ON JANUARY 25TH, 2012, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A CHANGE FROM A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY TO A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 9 3 3 FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.
SUP NUMBER 1 9 3 3 WAS AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED FOR FIVE-YEAR PERIOD ON JANUARY 25TH, 2019.
IT EXPIRES ON JANUARY 25TH OF THIS YEAR, AND THE APPLICANT FILED FOR RENEWAL ON OCTOBER 25TH, 2023 AFTER THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WINDOW.
AS SUCH, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE RENEWAL OF THE SEP FOR FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.
UH, AND I THINK I HAD, I'VE GOT MY SEP NUMBER MIXED UP IN THERE, BUT, UH, REQUESTING THE RENEWAL OF THE SEP FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD TO CONTINUE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND DO NOT PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO THE EXISTING SEP.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM, IT'S SEP 1 9 3 3.
THAT WAS A TYPO IN THE TOP LINE THERE ON SUFFOLK STREET LOOKING SOUTH DIRECTLY AT THE SUBJECT SITE, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, THEN LOOKING TO THE WEST AT THE RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTHWEST, THEN TO THE NORTH AT THAT RESTAURANT THAT I MENTIONED TO THE NORTHEAST,
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TO THE EAST HERE, WE'RE ON THE CORNER OF SUFFOLK AND ZANG LOOKING NORTH.AND THEN TO THE NORTHEAST LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, ROUGHLY AT THE OVERALL SITE.
AND THEN LOOKING, SO AGAIN, UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED.
IT'S A BIT OF A MESSY SITE PLAN PHOTO, BUT UH, WE CAN SEE IN HERE, UH, HOW IT'S BEEN LAID OUT, UH, WITH THE PARKING AND WHATNOT NOT.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARBON? I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE REPORT, BUT IS THIS SITE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ITS 12 B INSPECTION? UH, YES IT IS.
I MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN TO MENTION THAT IN THERE, BUT THEY DID SEND A COPY OF THEIR MOST RECENT CERTIFICATE TO ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU MR. WRIGHT.
ALRIGHT, AND AS AN UPDATE ON 1 0 5, UH, FOR RYAN, UH, CREMATION OF BODIES IS UNDER THE PATHOLOGICAL WASTE INCINERATOR USE MORTUARY, MORTUARY FUNERAL HOME.
IT ALLOWS THE PREPARATION OF BODIES FOR CREMATION.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS WE'RE, UH, TO CASE NUMBER 18 HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
I THINK THIS ONE HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE NO UPDATES.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BLOOD, PLEASE.
UM, THERE WAS A EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT I, THAT I SENT, I RECEIVED IT LATE LAST NIGHT.
I SENT IT TO LITTLEA AND MS. PINA THIS MORNING, AND IT, IT KIND OF ANSWERED THE QUES THE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU GUYS MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN IT.
UM, IT, IT, IT ANSWERED SOME OF THE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD FROM THE LAST HEARING.
UM, SO IT, IT DID TAKE CARE OF THE, DID YOU? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, YOU GOT MR. UH, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? WHAT IS MY, UH, PEPE.
WHAT CAN I ANSWER FOR YOU? SO HE, HE SENT A DOCUMENT, UM, LATE YESTERDAY EVENING.
WHAT CAN I CONFIRM FOR YOU? SO MR. PEPE DID, HAVE YOU HAD TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE THROUGH? NOT SIGNIFICANTLY.
ONLY, ONLY GLANCING AND I, I, I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE SOMETHING REGARDING SOMETHING REGARDING A, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND SOMETHING, AND, AND THEN HIS, HIS APPLICATION FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A DRIVEWAY ON CF HAN TO TDOT.
THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE TWO ATTACHMENTS TO BE, BUT I DIDN'T GIVE THEM THE FULL SCRUTINY, SCRUTINY THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD.
WELL, WERE YOU AWARE THEN THAT ONE OF THE, THE, THE CONCERNS WAS THAT IT WAS WITHIN THE 300 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY AND THEIR ARCHITECT ACTUALLY MEASURED IT AT 400 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY? I SAW THAT ONE AND I I WAS CONFUSED.
UM, I THINK I HAD A SLIDE FOR THAT.
THAT WAS JUST A STATEMENT, NOT A ATTACHMENT DOCUMENT.
SO I DIDN'T, SO I KNOW THERE WAS CONFUSION LAST TIME ABOUT HOW THAT WAS BEING LOOKED AT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY CONCUR WITH, WITH THAT MEASUREMENT.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.
UM, JUST FOR SCALE, I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR R SEVEN FIVE LINE STAIR STEP THERE.
UH, THAT PROPERTY WITH THE, THE, THAT IMMEDIATE ONE IS, UH, EITHER UNOCCUPIED OR, OR USED AS CAR STORAGE.
THE ONE AT 7 0 7 4 0 6, WHICH IS ALSO ABOUT 60 FEET EAST, WEST.
UH, BUT IT'S ALL ENTITLED TO SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THEN YOUR, YOUR HOME, YOUR F YOUR NEAREST HOME IS ACTUALLY MORE LIKE YOUR NEAREST EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS LIKE 200 THERE IN THE SOUTH.
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I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION.DO YOU MEASURE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? DO YOU MEASURE FROM THE CENTER? SO CAN I ASK ONE, WHAT A BIG FAVOR.
CAN YOU MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT BIGGER? SO MY BIS WORK, AND IT'S A LITTLE, WELL, IT LOOKS BETTER ON, ON THOSE SCREENS, NOT TOO WASHED OUT, BUT THAT'S A MEASUREMENT AND I CAN, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE USE OF EACH OF THOSE BLUE LINES BEING PARCEL LINES, BLACK BEING ZONING LINES, AND RED BEING THE AREA OF REQUEST.
UM, SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING OFF OF.
I DON'T WANT TO DISPUTE THE FINDINGS OF, OF ANY, UH, ONE OF THE APPLICANT TEAM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WENT INTO OUR ANALYSIS WAS THE, THE NEARBY PARCELS.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER RUBEN? YES.
SORRY, I WAS JUST, THERE WAS THE REFERENCE TO THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT.
I DON'T WANT TO SUGGEST THAT THAT MS. POS BEING IN ANY WAY, NOT DILIGENT IN HER DUTIES.
'CAUSE YOU ALL KNOW HOW HARD SHE WORKS
BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT EMAIL WAS SENT LAST NIGHT, NOT THE NIGHT BEFORE OUR JANUARY 18.
IT WAS SENT JANU JANUARY 31ST AT 7:43 PM OKAY.
WELL, I, I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, IF WE COULD SEE THAT, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS SOMETHING NECESSARILY THAT HE WANTED DISTRIBUTED BROADLY.
DIDN'T EXPLICITLY MENTION THAT, BUT SHE ASKED THAT IT WOULD BE THIS MORNING, SO I'M SURE WE CAN GET THAT FOR, FOR Y'ALL.
AND A LOT OF IT IS, AS SHE SAID, KIND OF NARRATIVE.
UM, WHICH HE PLANS ON BEING HERE TODAY, SO HE CAN ALSO EXPLAIN IT IN NARRATIVE AT THAT TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL GET THAT EMAIL SOME, UH, UH, LUNCH READING FOR US.
UM, GO TO CASE NUMBER 19 THAT I THINK HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.
WE HAVE, UH, UPDATES AND WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS.
WE WILL GO RIGHT TO QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM SINCE IT'S BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.
CLINTON, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU AWARE, UM, IF THERE'S BEEN COMMUNITY OUTREACH ON THIS REQUEST, COMMUNITY OUTREACH ON WHOSE END, UM, ON APPLICANT OR JUST ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THE PROPOSED CHANGE? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING, UH, ON THE APPLICANT'S END, AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME TRANSMITTALS, UM, THAT CAME THROUGH LATE LAST EVENING, SO WE'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THOSE BEFORE.
UM, OUR MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, AS STAFF EVALUATED THIS REQUEST, UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS WHILE IT'S BASE CS ZONING, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS EFFECTIVELY HAVE IT AS CR AS THE BASE? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, AND THERE'S THE ONE ALLOWED USE AND THERE'S HOURS OF OPERATION, THE EIGHT FOOT SCREENING, THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO SEPARATION BETWEEN THIS USE AND THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.
COULD YOU, UM, JUST OUTLINE AT A HIGH LEVEL WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN A, A COMMUNITY RETAIL AND A COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT, THE CR AND THE CS? YES.
SO COMMUNITY RETAIL, CR DISTRICT, UM, IS THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMUNITY SERVING RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE AND OFFICE USES AT A SCALE AND INTENSITY COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, COMMERCIAL SERVICE, CS DISTRICT.
UH, THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS SERVING USES THAT MAY INVOLVE OUTSIDE STORAGE SERVICE OR DISPLAY.
AND THIS DISTRICT IS NOT INTENDED TO, UH, BE LOCATED IN AREAS OF LOW AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO A, AS STAFF EVALUATED THE REQUEST AND I, THE AREA HAS SOME SUBSTANTIAL CS ZONING THAT'S AROUND THE HASKELL CORRIDOR, AND THEN THERE'S THE FINGERS OF THE RESIDENTIAL THAT GO, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S TRULY NORTH, BUT KIND OF NORTH AND WEST, UM, FROM, FROM THE SITE, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DID YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT IN, IN THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL?
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IT'S JUST STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL.
THE CR IS A LESS INTENSE DISTRICT THAT'S INTENDED TO BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
THE CS IS NOT, I KNOW SOME OF IT WERE RESPONDING TO EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IN YOUR EVALUATION IF THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND LOSING SOME OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE THERE TODAY? YES, THAT'S FAIR.
SO, UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, ALWAYS, UH, AT THE, THE FOREFRONT OF MY EVALUATIONS, UH, HONORING THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, SO WITH THE, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, PROPOSING TO TERMINATE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, BASICALLY TO REMOVE THE, UH, HEAVY MACHINERY USE SO THAT THEY CAN JUST OPERATE IN THEIR BASE ZONE.
NOW, THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE APPLICANT IS IF THEY WERE TO GO BACK TO THEIR BASE ZONING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE MEETING CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THAT BASE ZONING THAT AGAIN, HONORS THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO, UH, ANY ANY SETBACKS OR BUFFERS? UM, ANYTHING THAT, AGAIN, IS LISTED IN THE CODE, BUT ISN'T IT CORRECT THAT THE HEAVY MACHINERY IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
IN THE CS DISTRICT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND BASED, SO BASED ON MY, MY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE NO LONGER, UH, LOOKING TO DO THAT PARTICULAR USE, WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVE REQUESTED THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE D RESTRICTIONS.
AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT THIS, UM, SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED BY THIS BODY, UM, IN 2020? UM, ESSENTIALLY AT THAT TIME THAT OWNER WAS EXPANDING THE BUSINESS AND WANTED TO LOOK AT HOW THE SITE WAS BEING USED, HOW SOME BUILDINGS WERE ORIENTED ON THE SITE THAT WERE PERHAPS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS? YES, SO I DID DO A, UM, A BRIEF EVALUATION OF PREVIOUS UH, CASES, BUT I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO ANYTHING THAT WAS WITHIN THAT PURVIEW PRIOR TO MY TIME HERE.
AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, WERE YOU AWARE THAT AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND CONCERN ABOUT CHANGES TO THE USE TO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS? AND IS IT CORRECT THAT THIS IS NOW A NEW OWNER AND A NEW APPLICANT AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE US TODAY? I WAS NOT AWARE AND YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP MOVING.
UH, CASE NUMBER 20 HAS ALSO BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.
DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES OR QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 21 HAS ALSO BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE MY UNDERSTANDING.
DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES OR QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? THIS IS 21, NO QUESTIONS.
22 COMMISSIONERS WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 7TH.
THAT TAKES US TO THE INDIVIDUAL CASES, BEGINNING WITH CASE NUMBER 23.
UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HOUSER HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
OKAY, SO THIS ONE IS Z 2 2 3 2 3 7.
AND THIS IS LOCATED IN OAKLAWN AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAINTIFF ELEMENT SUBDISTRICT FOR MF THREE MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED IN MF THREE, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITH IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH CORNER OF HOOD STREET AND BROWN STREET, AND IT'S ABOUT 32,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO SETBACKS, DENSITY LOCK COVERAGE, FLOOR AREA RATIO, HEIGHT, DESIGN STANDARDS, PARKING, AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH RESIDENTIAL USES.
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THE SITE TODAY, CURRENTLY ENVELOPED LOCATED AT, ON A CORNER, AN ALLEY BEHIND IT.AND SO TO THE NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST, THERE'S MULTIPLE FAMILY.
THERE'S A MULTIPLE FAMILY TO THE WEST, AND THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TO THE NORTHWEST ACROSS THE ALLEY.
PD 1 93, MF THREE ZONING, CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
UM, THEY, WHAT THEY CAN'T MEET WITH THEIR DESIGN IS THE PRIMARILY IS THE FLOOR AREA RATIO OF MF THREE.
UH, THEY PROPOSE TO TIE INCREASES IN FAR TO MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS.
AND, UH, THERE IS, THERE'S A DIFFERING IN STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN REGARDS TO THE MIH PERCENTAGES.
UH, THEY DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, THAT MAKE THE PROJECT, UM, STREET FOCUSED HUMAN SCALE.
AT THIS TIME, I THINK I'VE TURNED THE CORNER ONTO BROWN LOOKING SOUTHEAST, KIND OF AT THE, ACTUALLY THE WEST CORNER, UM, AT THE ALLEY.
I'M WALKING UP THE ALLEY NOW LOOKING SOUTHEAST AT THE, UH, ADJACENT MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.
NOW I'M BACK ON HOOD LOOKING UP HOOD, WHICH IS NORTHEAST.
NOW I'VE GONE, I'VE GONE UP HOOD, UH, UH, PAST THE PROJECT TO THE NORTHEAST TO SHOW SOME OF THE OLD OTHER MULTIFAMILY TO GIVE A IDEA OF THE, UM, STREET SCAPE ON THOSE MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.
THEN THAT'S ACROSS HOOD TO THE SOUTHEAST MULTIFAMILY.
THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF HOOD AND BROWN.
IT'S A, IT'S A T-BONE INTERSECTION, AND THEN THAT'S LOOKING NORTHWEST ON BROWN.
IT'S LOOKING MORE NORTH ON THE ALLEY, AND THAT'S LOOKING NORTHWEST ON THE ALLEY.
UH, THERE'S A LARGE MULTIFAMILY TOWER TO THE, TO THE DUE NORTH OF THIS PROJECT, AND THAT'S JUST THE UTILITY YARD FOR THAT ONE.
AND THIS IS THE ALLEY LOOKING NORTHEAST AT THE PARKING FOR ADJACENT MULTIFAMILY.
AND SO HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS THEY'VE PROPOSED.
I FOCUSED A BIT ON, ON DRIVEWAYS AND ACCESS, UM, WHEN WORKING THROUGH THE DETAILS ON THIS, BUT ACCESS IS PRIMARILY FROM HOOD AND THE ALLEY.
THEY DID PROPOSE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT IT DOES, IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF PART ONE OF 1 93.
UH, IT IS A BIT DUPLICATIVE, BUT THEY DID WISH TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE MEETING, UM, PART ONE LANDSCAPING IN A GRAPHIC FORM.
SO AS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING HAS, HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT TO MEET THE, THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT, UH, THAT I WON'T GO INTO EACH OF THE, THE SETBACKS, BUT THEY DO INCLUDE A DEGREE OF SETBACKS.
THEY MODIFIED THEIR, THEIR HEIGHT, UM, THEIR SETBACK ABOVE 36 FEET TO A DEGREE.
UM, GENERALLY TO MEET FIRE REGULATIONS, THEY HAVE TO BE A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE STREET.
JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL THAT, UH, DROVE THAT.
AND THEN THEY CAPPED THEIR UNIT DENSITY TO 1 0 4 UNITS.
UH, WE CAN COMPARE THAT TO THE BASE LOT AREA.
IT'S LESS DENSE IN THAT REGARD.
UM, FLOOR AREA RATIO, THE BASE IS STILL 4.1, FOUR TO ONE.
UM, BUT WITH THE PROVISION OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING, THEY CALL FOR AN INCREASE FROM 9.2, 9.26, AND THEY LIMIT THEIR HEIGHT TO THREE 30, EXCUSE ME, 370.
UH, WHEREAS THEY HAVE THE ANY LABEL HEIGHT AT THIS TIME AND THEY TWEAK THEIR, THEIR LOT COVERAGE FROM 60 TO 65, BUT THEN THEY REDUCE IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, ABOVE 36 FEET WHEN THEY GET THEIR BUILDING MORE NARROW.
AND AS FOR THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROVISIONS, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN FAR BONUS FROM FOUR TO 9.9 0.26, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 5% AT 81 TO 100 FOR THE, UH, IN, UH, IF THEY WANT TO GET THE 5.26, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS 10% AT 61 TO 80 MFI AND 5% AT 80 ONES 100 A MFI.
AND WE USED MU THE MEN EXISTING MENU FOR MU THREE AS OUR GUIDELINE FOR THAT.
UM, IN THE EXISTING MVA, UM, BECAUSE I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL, BUT MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS IN THE BASE CODE DO NOT HAVE FLORIA RATIO, UH, REQUIREMENTS OR, OR MAXIMUMS. SO WE LOOKED AT
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MU AS A, AS A COMPARABLE BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE FAR, UH, MAXIMUMS. AND SO WE USE MU THREE BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT AND, UM, MOST SIMILAR AS A KIND OF A GUIDELINE TO GET US TO THE BONUS OR AT LEAST WHAT, WHAT CAN KIND OF GUIDE US TOWARDS, WELL, WHAT WOULD WE DO IF WE WERE IN A BASE CODE.AND THAT'S WHAT GOT US TO 3.0.
ADDITIONAL FAR, UM, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S WHAT GOT US TO THE 10 AND THE FIVE, UH, BECAUSE THE BASE CODE CALLS FOR THREE, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN THAT, UH, BUT WE ARE APPROXIMATING SOMETHING WE'RE TASKED TO DO TO A DEGREE WHEN IN A TYPE TWO MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT BONUS.
I WILL COVER DESIGN ANCE REALLY QUICK.
EXTERIOR SURFACE PARKING IS PROHIBITED.
ALL PARKING IS REQUIRED BELOW GRADE.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS 0.5, PARKING REQUIRED MINIMUM AND KEEPING WITH FOUR POINT 1107.
UH, THEY REQUESTED MORE THAN THAT.
UH, SIDEWALKS ARE MINIMUM SIX FOOT UNOBSTRUCTED AND THEN IMP, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE IMPROVED DRIVEWAY CROSSINGS, UH, BOLLARDS OR LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THOSE DRIVE AISLES AND SIDEWALKS.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME DRIVE AISLES AND DROPOFFS AND OTHER DRIVEWAYS, BUT THEY ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, UH, SOME KIND OF BUFFER IN BETWEEN THOSE ON SITE IN THE SIDEWALK.
UH, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING THAT, UH, YOU'RE LIKELY FAMILIAR WITH FROM FOUR POINT 1107.
TRANSPARENCY TO BE EVENLY SPACED, UM, NOT JUST ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE FACADES ON EACH OF THE STREETS.
UH, INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES FOR GROUND FLOOR UNITS, SHOULD THEY PROVIDE ANY, UM, FOUR FOOT FRONT YARD FENCING, UH, STREET FURNITURE, TWO ON EACH FRONT, TWO OF THE FOLLOWING ON EACH FRONTAGE.
I THINK THERE WAS A MINOR CHANGE SINCE I JUST DRAFTED THIS SLIDE.
WHEN, WHEN IT SHOULD BE EACH OF THOSE, UH, DRIVEWAYS, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S MAXIMUMS ON THE DRIVEWAY, WIDTHS AND NUMBERS AND, AND, AND PLACEMENTS.
AND THEN THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IS 10.
AND THERE ARE ALSO PERFORMANCE FEATURES INCLUDING SOLAR PANELS, DRIP IRRIGATION AND MICRO MOBILITY CHARGING STATIONS.
AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER RUBIN? YEAH, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE, THE UNIT CAP.
UM, I KNOW YOU WROTE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT IF THEY BUILT OUT THE SITE TODAY WITHOUT ANY ZONING CHANGES WITH ALL ONE BEDROOMS, THEY'D BE ABLE TO BUILD 324 1 BEDROOM UNITS ON, ON THE SITE.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WITH THE FOUR TO ONE FLOOR AREA RATIO, DO YOU THINK THEY COULD GET SOMEWHERE NEAR THAT, THOSE 324 UNITS? I HAVEN'T DONE THE MATH, UM, BUT IT WOULD, BUT GENERALLY A SCENARIO WHERE WE HAVE A LOWER FLOOR AREA RATIO AND A HIGHER UNIT COUNT MEANS IT INCENTIVIZES LOWER UNITS OR LOWER SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE OF INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
AND THE CONVERSE A LOWER, UH, UNIT DENSITY AND A HIGHER FAR, UM, INCENTIVIZES LARGER UNITS.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I, I CAN'T SAY IF THE THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FOUR ONE BEDROOMS WOULD BE FEASIBLE, UH, GIVEN THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, BUT THEY COULD HAVE A, THEY COULD HAVE A TALLER BUILDING, SKINNIER OF COURSE WITH SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGES POTENTIALLY IF THEY WANTED TO PUSH THAT NUMBER.
BUT, UM, IN THIS CASE IT OBVIOUSLY INCENTIVIZES SLIGHTLY LARGER UNITS, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF VIEWED THAT AS A, SOMETHING OF A, A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING QUESTION.
DO YOU THINK THEY'D BE ANYWHERE NEAR THE CAP OF 104 UNITS IF THEY BUILT OUT ONE BEDROOM U OR UNITS OF AN AVERAGE SIZE? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE, YOU HAVEN'T DONE THE EXACT MATH HERE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PROPOSED WITH THE ZONING THAT THEY'RE NO, NO, JUST, JUST AT FLOOR FOUR TO ONE FLOOR AREA RATIO AND ONE BEDROOM UNITS.
DO YOU THINK IT'S, IT'S FEASIBLE TO GET SIGNIFICANTLY OVER 104 ONE BEDROOM UNITS ON THE SITE? I'M, I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
I COULD, I COULD PLAY AROUND, BUT WE'D BE, WE'D BE ONLY GUESSING IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE SOME TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WANTED TO DO SOME ROUGH BACK OF THE ENVELOPE MATH, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THAT.
I'M NOT A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, SO I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT MATH AS, AS INTELLIGENTLY AS AS, AS YOU ARE.
I'M ALL RIGHT WITH FLORA RATIO MATH, BUT GETTING INTO THE, THE UNITS AND, AND FLOOR PLATES, I'M NOT AS GOOD AT.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS AN UPZONING OR A DOWN ZONING WOULD SAY? I LIKE HER ANSWER, JUST A REZONING.
AND, AND, AND, AND, AND FRANKLY
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WHEN I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS, UM, TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE ASKED OR OR OTHER PEOPLE ASKING, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT BLACK AND WHITE, UM, BECAUSE IT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASES THE FAR, IT DOUBLES THE FAR, OBVIOUSLY IT DECREASES THE MAX LEGAL HEIGHT.THE CAVEAT OF THE MAX LEGAL HEIGHT IS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, LOVE FIELDS HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET REGARDLESS OF QUOTE, ANY LEGAL HEIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE FOR THIS SITE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE THREE 70 HEIGHT THAT THEY REQUESTED WAS APPROVED, UH, BY FAA.
UM, IT'S A IT AND THEN, YEAH, AND THEN, BUT THEN YOU'RE A DOWN, DOWN ZONING IN TERMS OF THE, THE LOT AREA, UM, OR THE, THE DENSITY CALCULATION.
AND THEN THEY KIND OF BREAK EVEN ON, ON LOT COVERAGE IN MY ESTIMATION, BECAUSE I INCLUDED A WEIGHTED AVERAGE, SO.
NOT BLACK AND WHITE, NOT BLACK AND WHITE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? JUST ONE QUESTION.
YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF OUR PLANS AND POLICY GOALS INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, BUT I DID NOT SEE THE OAK LAWN AREA PLAN INCLUDED WITH ITS GOALS AND PURPOSE STATEMENT.
DO YOU FIND THIS PROPOSAL CONSISTENT WITH THOSE GOALS? I DO.
UM, WE, WE, MY UNDERSTANDING AS A PRACTICE, WE USE OAK LAWN PLAN, UM, IN, IN SOME ANALYSIS.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UM, DUE TO THE, THE AGE OF IT, UM, IT OBVIOUSLY INFLUENCES THE, THE PD AND THE WAY THE PD IS SCRIPTED, BUT UM, BASICALLY IN, IN A SENSE, WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE DOCUMENT, I WOULD SAY IT'S CONSISTENT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE URBAN DESIGN GOALS, UH, THAT AND PARKING, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE.
WELL, AND I KNOW WE'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER CASE REPORTS, SO I JUST NOTED ITS ABSENCE THAT I, UM, APPRECIATE HAVING THE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT THAT WAS INCLUDED.
COMMISSIONER CHADWICK, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING.
UM, NORMALLY I'M VERY ANTI CONCRETE, BUT IN THIS CASE IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF THE PARKING IS REQUIRED BELOW GRADE.
DO THE CONDITIONS REQUIRE THAT ALL PARKING IS BELOW GRADE? SO WHAT'S STAFF'S RATIONALE FOR NOT GOING WITH THE APPLICANT'S SUGGESTED CONDITIONS OF TWO PARKING SPACES INSTEAD OF THE HALF? YES, NO, CERTAINLY.
I MEAN, THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS, BUT THE STANDARD THAT, YOU KNOW, FOUR POINT 1107 IS THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
UM, WE TRY AND MEET OR EXCEED THOSE ON, ON ALL THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE THOSE, UH, AS BEST WE CAN.
0.5 IS THE ESTABLISHED MINIMUM IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
AND IT'S JUST ONE OF THE, THE BULLET POINTS OF FOUR POINT 1107, UM, REDUCED PARKING MINIMUMS. I, I, THAT'S IN APPLICABILITY TO THIS PROJECT.
I COULD TALK FOR A WHILE ABOUT THE, THE BROADER, UH, IMPLICATIONS OF REDUCED MINIMUMS. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE DISCUSSED, UH, THE ZERO POINT 0.5 RATIO, THEY CAN, THEY WILL PROBABLY PARK AT A HIGHER RATIO THAN THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IMPOSING A, A MAXIMUM HERE.
UM, BUT 0.5 OR THE LOWER REDUCED MINIMUM COULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF, UM, REDUCING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AT THE SITE BECAUSE YOU HAVE LESS PROGRAMMED IN SPACE.
I COULD TALK LONGER ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, THAT'S PART OF IT.
AND IT CAN POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO INTO THE PROJECT.
'CAUSE I'M JUST READING FROM THE REPORT AND IT SAYS, STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS INCLUDE REDUCED PARKING MINIMUMS, WHICH HELPS ACTIVATE PRIVATE SPACE AND GENERATE PEDESTRIAN TRIPS.
HOW DOES THAT APPLY IF IT'S JUST ALL UNDERGROUND PARKING? BECAUSE YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU ASSIST IN PEDESTRIAN TRIP TRIP GEN, THEN YOU'RE ACTIVATING PUBLIC SPACE, YOU'RE ACTIVATING THE SIDEWALK AND ADDING PEDESTRIAN TRIPS.
IT'S, SO BY NOT HAVING THOSE SPACES, YOU CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE PARK, YOU WILL FORCE THEM TO BE PEDESTRIANS.
UM, BUT IT INCENTIVIZES, IT CERTAINLY IT OFFERS THE OPTION FOR PEOPLE, UM, WHO OWN LESS THAN ONE VEHICLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? MICHAEL, CAN YOU PUT THAT SLIDE BACK UP WHERE YOU HAD, UM, PICTURES OF THE AREA, LIKE THE AREA, LIKE MAYBE THE ONE AT HOOD AND BROWN? OH, UH, UH, ON THE GROUND.
SO YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE, RIGHT? SO ALL THOSE CARS THAT ARE PARKED THERE.
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ALL, THAT'S ALL I HAD.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HALL? I, I HAVE TO ASK MR. PEPE, WHAT IS LESS THAN ONE VEHICLE ON AVERAGE? I'M TALKING ABOUT PRINCIPLES LIKE ME.
I HAVE LESS THAN ONE COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
DO YOU KNOW THAT IF, UM, ARE THEY GONNA TAKE A ADVANTAGE OF THE, UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER SIDE? THAT ONE? ARE THEY GONNA TAKE A, UH, ADVANTAGE OF THE FEE IN LIEU? OH, THE FEE IN LIEU? I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
THEY'RE ALSO NOT TIED TO ONE OPTION OR ANOTHER, SO I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO BUT THE APPLICANT, WE, WE WILL ASK THE APPLICANT THEN.
'CAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT'S FINE.
ANY LAST QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL KEEP GOING.
READY? SHE'S READY? THAT JUST READY? OKAY THEN, UM, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND THEN TAKE OUR LUNCH BREAK NOW AND, UM, MAYBE WE'LL PICK UP THESE TWO AFTER.
UH, WE'LL, WE'LL START THE HEARING WITH THE BRIEFING OF THE LAST TWO THEN.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF DALLAS, THE PLANE COMMISSION.
DISTRICT 12 PRESENT? MM-HMM,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. PINA.
[CALL TO ORDER]
AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 1ST, 2020 4, 12 40 5:00 PM UH, COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED AND JUMP INTO THE DOCKET.
UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES IS EACH SE PER OUR RULES.
EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, UH, ALSO PER OUR RULES.
IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE A POSITION, THE, UH, APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
WE WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
I WILL ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO MAKE SURE YOU BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
FOR THE RECORD, FOR OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON AND WORKING STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, ALSO THERE IS THESE LITTLE YELLOW FORMS THERE, HERE ON THIS TABLE, THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
IF YOU COULD AT SOME POINT FILL ONE OF THEM OUT, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
UH, WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED.
[BRIEFINGS ( Part 2 of 2 )]
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAD TWO MORE CASES TO BRIEF.WE WILL BRIEF THOSE AND THEN GET STARTED, UH, PER THE AGENDA.
I THINK WE WERE ON CASE NUMBER 2021, I BELIEVE.
WE DO SEE YOUR, UH, POWERPOINT.
IT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP NUMBER 1532 LOCATED AT, UH, 2 8 1 5 MARTIN LUTHER KING JR BOULEVARD.
SO THE REQUEST IS A RENEWAL OF, UH, AN SUP FOR A CONVALESCENT AND NURSING HOME HOSPICE CARE OR RELATED INSTITUTION.
IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTH CORNER OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
BOULEVARD AND SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PD 5 9 5.
IT'S THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT TRACK FOUR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
IT'S ON APPROXIMATELY 1.1 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE REQUEST.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS AS MENTIONED FOR A, THE RENEWAL TO CONTINUE
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AS A CONVALESCENT AND NURSING HOME HOSPICE CARE RELATED INSTITUTION.AND THE, UH, REQUEST FOR AN APPROVAL WITH A, THE REQUEST WAS FOR AN APPROVAL WITH A PERMANENT SEP FOR THE USE.
AND THE SEP WAS APPROVED IN 2003 AND THE APPLICANT DID MISS THEIR AUTO-RENEWAL WINDOW.
SO HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP FOR THE SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST TO THE NORTHEAST, THERE IS A BANK AND TO THE NORTH AND NORTHWEST, IT'S SINGLE AND MULTIFAMILY USES DIRECTLY, UM, DIAGONAL ACROSS MALCOLM X AND MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
THERE IS RETAIL, UH, AS WELL AS PARKING AND DIRECTLY ACROSS MALCOLM X.
THAT SITE IS, UM, CURRENTLY UNUSED AND, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
BOULEVARD ARE A VARIETY OF RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL USES.
IT'S ON THE SITE LOOKING SOUTHWEST SITE, LOOKING NORTHEAST.
UH, THERE IS, THERE WAS A DUMPSTER, A ROLLAWAY DUMPSTER ON THE SITE.
IT'S ON THE SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST AND ON MALCOLM, UH, X BOULEVARD LOOKING NORTHEAST.
AND, UH, HERE'S JUST IN FRONT OF THE, UH, ENTRY TO THE SITE OR TO THE, UH, THE BUILDING.
HERE'S THE SITE PLAN FOR THE USE AS WELL AS AN ENLARGED, UH, SITE PLAN.
AND, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO COMMISSIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY, UH, WHY WASN'T IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I AM NOT SURE.
UH, IT WAS PUT ON INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE APPLICANT REQUEST STAFF'S RECOMMENDING 10 YEARS WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD.
THERE'S THE BOX ITEM IN TERMS OF THE TIME.
AND WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR NOT THE PERMANENT, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR WHAT AND NOT THE PERMANENT.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST, UM, 20 YEARS.
UH, I AM SORRY, WAS THE QUESTION WHY IS THE CASE BEFORE YOU GUYS? I WASN'T IN THAT.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR NOT THE, UH, PERMANENT? UH, WELL THIS IS A SUP THAT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE LIKE 2002 AND TWO TH OR 2003.
UM, AND I THINK THEY WERE ON AN, UH, AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS.
UM, BUT THEY MISSED THEIR WINDOW TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL THIS TIME.
SO THEY HAD TO FILE JUST A REGULAR RENEWAL, UH, OF THE SUP, WHICH IS WHY IT'S COMING BEFORE YOU GUYS, RATHER THAN BEING ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR? NOT THE AGREEMENT FOR A PERMANENT OH, FOR, FOR DISAGREEING WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, I WILL KICK THAT QUESTION BACK OVER TO MR. KERR.
UH, WE DECIDED, UH, TO CONTINUE WITH THE, THE 10 YEAR PERIODS, UH, AS IT WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, SUP AND UH, THOSE WERE THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS OF THE SUP.
UM, WE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, MORE PRUDENT TO JUST TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THAT, UM, THAT ORIGINAL GUIDELINE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
WE NEED TO, UH, WE NEED TO DO THE APPROVAL OF THE ANNUAL REPORT SO WE CAN GET ATTORNEY ON.
SO WE'RE CLOSING A MOTION? YEAH.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 25, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 3.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 3 6 7.
FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, USE LIMITED TO A MICRO BREW BREWERY, MICRO DISTILLERY OR WINERY ON PROPERTY ZONE NORTH TRACK WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 6, THE DE
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THE JEFFERSON AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH GREATER NORTH OAK CLIFF DEMOLITION DELAY OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SUNSET AVENUE BETWEEN SOUTH BISHOP AVENUE AND SOUTH MADISON AVENUE.THE RENEWAL OF THE SUP IS FOR CONTINUED OPERATION OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT USE AND APPROXIMATELY 6,874 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
THIS IS OUR ZOOM IN AERIAL MAP.
UH, SURROUNDING USES TO THE NORTH IS PD 316, UH, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL USES TO THE EAST.
UH, ALSO PD 316, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.
UH, QUICK BACKGROUND, UH, AGAIN, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 3 1 6, UH, WITH GREATER NORTH OAK CLIFF DEMOLITION DELAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, THIS LOT HAS FRONTAGE ON SUNSET AVENUE.
UH, HOURS OF OPERATION ARE BETWEEN 11:00 AM AND 12:00 AM MIDNIGHT MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.
UH, THIS APPLICANT PROPOSES NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE LAND USE OR SITE PLAN.
AND, UH, THEIR CURRENT SUP EXPIRES, UH, OR DID EXPIRE 1 26, BUT THEY FILED FOR RENEWAL, UH, LAST YEAR, OCTOBER 4TH FOR ANOTHER TWO YEAR TERM.
HERE WE ARE ON PROPERTY, UH, SUNSET AVENUE, LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS SAME LOCATION LOOKING WEST, SAME LOCATION LOOKING EAST.
THIS IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
LOOKING SOUTH, AGAIN, LOOKING SOUTH HERE, WE'RE ON PROPERTY LOOKING EAST DOWN THERE.
ALLEYWAY, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS THE PROPERTY FROM THE ALLEYWAY.
SO NORTH HERE ARE THE PROPOSED SUP CONDITIONS.
HERE IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, APPROVAL FOR TWO YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO AMENDED CON, UH, SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER TURNOFF, UH, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR ONLY DOING TWO YEARS AS OPPOSED TO APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR FIVE? THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTED FIVE AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING TWO, UH, JUST TO GIVE THEM, UH, BASICALLY A CLEAN SLATE.
UM, SO NOT TO EXTEND TO THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
BEFORE WE GE BEGIN WITH THE, UH, THE CASES,
[30. 24-442 Approval of FY2022-23 CPC Annual Report ]
WE DO NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET OUR, UH, ANNUAL REPORT, UM, VOTED ON.UH, MR. CHAIR, UM, FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT WITH THE OPTION TO, UH, MISSION STATEMENT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBEN FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? IT WAS PER THE, UH, PER THE EDITS? YES.
PER THE EDITS THAT WERE READ INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER HOT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, OKAY LADIES J JOAN, NOW MOVE INTO OUR UH,
[4. 24-411 An application requesting relief from the street frontage requirements along South Ervay Street per the site plan on property zoned Subdistricts 2 and 3 within Planned Development District No. 317, the Cedars Area Special Purpose District, along the north line of South Ervay Street, between Richardson Avenue and the Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe Railroad (GC & SF Railroad).]
CASES.WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEM AND CASE NUMBER FOUR M 2 34 0 0 6.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR M 2 3 4 DASH 0 0 6.
APPLICATION REQUEST AND RELIEF FROM THE STREET FRONT REQUIREMENTS ALONG SOUTH IRV A STREET STREET PER THE SITE PLANT ON A PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA TWO AND THREE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE 17, THE CEDARS AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ALONG THE SOUTH LINE OF SOUTH IRV, A STREET BETWEEN RICHARDSON AVENUE AND THE GULF, COLORADO AND SANTA FE RAILROAD STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. BLUE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM?
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SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR QUESTIONS? ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS M 2 34 0 0 6.ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, IN THE MATTER OF M 2 34 DASH 0 0 6, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HARA FOR YOUR SECOND.
YOUR NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER FIVE.
SORRY, CAN WE PAUSE REAL? UM, ARE WE MOVING TO THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NOW? THE ONES THAT HAVE STAYED ON CONSENT? THAT'S CORRECT.
[SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS BEGINNING ON PAGE TWO.UH, AND AT THIS POINT THOSE CONSISTS OF CASES FIVE THROUGH 17, 6, 7, 10 AND 13 HAVE COME OFF CONSENT AND WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.
THE REST OF THOSE CASES WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS AND WE'LL PULL IT OFF AND HEAR IT INDIVIDUALLY.
SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON, UH, CASES FIVE THROUGH 17? UH, SIX, SEVEN AND 10 AND 13 WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ANY OF THOSE CASES? OKAY.
UH, CONSENT ITEMS. UH, ITEM FIVE KC TWO 12 DASH 2 84 AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE.
PERMIT NUMBER 2393 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOR FOOD STORE 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTIES OWNED AS CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH THE D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD AND SEVILLE ROAD STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
ITEM EIGHT, KC 2 23 DASH 2059 AND APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS C 8 56 DASH THREE FOUR ON PROPERTY ZONE IN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF OLD HICKORY TRAIL, SOUTH OF WEST WHEATLAND ROAD.
STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ITEM NINE KC 2 23 DASH 2076.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES OWNED IN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST MOCKINGBIRD LANE, NORTH LINE OF PLANTATION ROAD AND EAST OF HAWES AVENUE STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ITEM 11 KC 2 23 DASH 3 41 AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2066 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE.
3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTIES ZONED A CRD ONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AND NORTH BRIGHTON AVENUE STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDING CONDITIONS.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2068 FOR A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACT A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP ELM NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND EXPOSITION AVENUE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
AN APPLICATION FOR A CD ONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON PROPERTY ZONED IN LID ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD AND MOBERLY LANE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ITEM 15, RIGHT? YEAH.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2181 FOR A TATTOO STUDIO ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 6 9, THE DEEP ELM NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF ELM STREET, EAST OF NORTH.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ITEM 16 KC 2 34 DASH 12 AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2220 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONED A CRD ONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF PV ROAD NORTHWEST OF GARLAND ROAD.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TWO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1933 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL
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MERCHANDISE FOR FOOD STORE 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONED IN MU ONE DASH D ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH ZANG BOULEVARD AND WEST SUFFOLK AVENUE STAFF'S.RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MULKEY.
AGAIN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THOSE ARE CASES 5 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, AND 17 THAT WE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ANY OF THE CASES ON CONSENT? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLA, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES IN THE MATTER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AS READ BY OUR CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOWS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM CONSISTENT OF THE ITEMS AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
[6. 24-421 An application for an amendment to Planned Development District No. 514, on the east line of Hillcrest Road, between La Bolsa Drive and Arapaho Road.]
CASE NUMBER SIX, ITEM SIX, CASE C 2 23 DASH 1 47.AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE 14 ON THE EAST LINE OF HILLCREST ROAD BETWEEN LAA DRIVE AND ARAPAHOE ROAD STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE NATATORIUM AND AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS NUMBER SIX Z 2 23 1 47.
ARE ANY OF OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS ONLINE? NOT ONLINE COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
I MOVE THAT WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, UM, UNTIL MARCH 7TH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TR FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 7TH.
ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[7. 24-412 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a late-hours establishment limited to a restaurant without drive-in or drive-through service on property zoned Planned Development District No. 842 with an MD-1 Modified Delta Overlay, in an area bounded by Greenville Avenue, La Vista Drive, Hope Street, and Lewis Street.]
NUMBER SEVEN.WELL THAT IT WAS ONE OTHER ONE IS MINE.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8 42 WITH A MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY IN AN AREA BOUNDED BY GREENVILLE AVENUE, LA VISTA DRIVE, HOPE STREET AND LEWIS STREET SET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN.
SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B HERE REPRESENTING VOODOO DONUTS.
AND, UH, I HAVE TO, I HAVE OWE AN APOLOGY TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND MR. PEPE.
WHEN I PREPARED THE APPLICATION, I HAD TWO SETS OF CONDITIONS, ONE TO FROM 12 TO TO TWO, AND ONE FOR 24 HOURS, AND I SUBMITTED THE WRONG ONES.
UH, WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND WITH THE NEIGHBORS, IT WAS ALWAYS FOR 24 HOURS.
AND I WOULD LIKE THE, THIS REQUEST TO BE A SUP TO ALLOW FOR 24 HOURS, UH, ON THIS SITE.
UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN SUPPORT? ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S.
QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? COMMISSIONER? YES.
UH, MR. BALDWIN, ARE THERE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT ARE OPEN 24 HOURS? YES, SIR.
THERE'S A SEVEN 11, IT'S 24 HOURS.
THE SEVEN 11 EXXON STATION? YES.
YEAH, IT'S SEVEN 11 UP UP THERE.
AND, BUT THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL THAT STAY OPEN UNTIL TWO, BUT, UH, THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO 24 HOURS.
COMMISSIONER BELAY? NO, COMMISSIONER TREAD WRIGHT.
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FOR WANTING TO BE OPEN 24 HOURS? SOMETIMES YOU JUST NEED A DONUTUM, WILL YOU, HAVE YOU HAVE, I KNOW THAT WAS A FLIP OF REMARK AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT HOURS.
UH, SOME PEOPLE WORK NIGHTS, SOME PEOPLE WORK DURING DAYS.
SOME PEOPLE LIKE ME GET TO WORK AT FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND, UH, WANNA BE ABLE TO PICK UP DONUTS ON THEIR WAY.
AND, OH, I'M FAMILIAR THAT DONUT STORES ARE OPEN VERY EARLY.
SO, UH, NOT ALL OTHER STORES ARE OPEN 24 HOURS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE SUCCESSFUL ONES ARE.
AND WHERE ARE THOSE LOCATED? WHERE THE, THE SUCCESSFUL ONES, THE 24 HOUR ONES, UH, PORTLAND, SEATTLE, SAN FRANCISCO, UH, WESTERN CITIES MOSTLY THEY, THEY'RE, THIS IS ONE OF THEIR FIRST FORAYS INTO, OUT OUTSIDE THE WEST COAST.
IS THERE A PLAN FOR SECURITY TO BE IN PLACE DURING HOURS WHERE NOTHING ELSE IS OPERATIONAL EXCEPT FOR A SEVEN 11? THAT'S ARGUABLY NOT GOING TO ATTRACT THE SAME KIND OF CROWD AS VOODOO DONUT? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THEY'D HAVE TO PROTECT THEIR EMPLOYEES.
THEY ALSO HAVE A WALKUP WINDOW WHERE MAYBE THEY WOULD JUST USE THE WALKUP WINDOW LATE.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR MR. BALDWIN? QUESTION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
MR. BALDWIN, YOU SAID THAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE IN SUPPORT OF 24 HOUR A DAY OPERATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR OPERATOR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UH, WHEN I EXPLAINED THIS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS OUT THERE, IT WAS A 24 HOUR OPERATION.
BUT DID THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS REQUEST IS, IS ASKING FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IF THIS OPERATOR WENT AWAY, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING COULD JUST KEEP RENTING OUT TO RESTAURANTS THAT COULD THEN OPEN, OPERATE 24 HOURS A DAY? I, I HAVE A SNEAKING SUSPICION THIS WILL NOT BE AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
LOTS OF TO SHARE THAT SUSPICION.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER RUBIN, PLEASE.
UM, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON OUR NOTIFICATION RULES, BUT THIS SWITCH FROM 2:00 AM TO 24 HOURS, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE REIFICATION, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IT, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL NOTIFICATION? THAT'S CORRECT.
VICE CHAIR RUBIN, BECAUSE IT WAS NOTICED AS A LATE HOURS, UM, ESTABLISHMENT UNDER THE PD THAT'S FROM MIDNIGHT TO 6:00 AM SO CPC COULD AUTHORIZE THE LATE HOURS THROUGH THAT TIME WINDOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 DASH 2 3 4, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING TWO CHANGES.
NO, AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AND OPERATIONS WILL BE 24 HOURS.
AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
IS THAT FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD? UH, YEAH, TWO YEARS IS FINE.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, COULD I QUICKLY CLARIFY PLEASE? I THINK THAT SHOULD BE WITH HOURS OF OPERATIONS FROM MIDNIGHT TO 6:00 AM 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE USE IS TO DEFINED AS JUST, JUST BEING TECHNICAL.
WELL, YEAH, I THINK, NO, I THINK HE'S RIGHT.
P IS BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND SIX, CORRECT? YES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? IS THERE A SECOND? YEAH, THERE WAS A SECOND.
UH, YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE EXCITED TO GET VOODOO DONUTS AGAIN.
DISTRICT 14 GREENVILLE AVENUE'S A GOOD PLACE.
WE DO HAVE, UM, IN, IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER TREAD WAY'S QUESTION, WE ALSO HAVE GAP CO PIZZA, WHICH IS OPEN TILL FOUR.
UM, AND SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, OF LATER OPERATIONS DOWN THERE.
UM, AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS OPERATION MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE OPEN BOTH REALLY EARLY AND LATER AT NIGHT.
AND I THINK ANYBODY WHO SPENT ANY TIME DOWN HERE KNOWS GOOD AND WELL THAT IF THE LOWER GREENVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS DIDN'T SUPPORT THIS, WE WOULD KNOW
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 3 2 34, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, BUT FOR A TO TWO YEAR PERIOD, NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN CONDITIONS, AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF AN OPEN FOR MIDNIGHT TO 6:00 AM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.[10. 24-423 An application for a Specific Use Permit for commercial motor vehicle parking on property zoned an IM Industrial Manufacturing District, on the north line of West Kiest Boulevard, between Duncanville Road and South Walton Walker Boulevard]
NUMBER 10.THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 33.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON PROPERTY ZONED IN IM INDUSTRIAL MANU MANUFACTURING DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST KEYS BOULEVARD BETWEEN DUNCANVILLE ROAD AND SOUTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
ANYONE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
BRANDON WAL, BRANDON WALDRON WITH CEI ENGINEERING 30 30 LBJ, UH, FREEWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I DID WATCH THE BRIEFING EARLIER.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL HEARING THAT.
UH, JUST WANTED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, ME AND DARRYL HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH TODAY AS WELL WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS HE HAD AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? UH, YEAH, FOR NOW.
I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? EITHER IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER HAN.
UH, MR. OLDHAM, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HEARD OUR DISCUSSION AT THE BRIEFING.
UM, THERE WERE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACCESS POINTS, UM, CONSIDERATION OF A LARGER BUFFER MATERIAL FOR THE FENCE, RECOGNIZING THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
WERE THOSE ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL HAD REVIEWED IN MORE DETAIL OR COULD YOU SPEAK TO, UM, HOW YOU APPROACHED THOSE? YES.
UM, I THINK A FEW QUESTIONS WERE ASKED ABOUT THE MATERIAL, THE FENCING.
SO RIGHT NOW WHAT IT WAS PROPOSED AND APPROVED IN THE PLANS WAS A EIGHT FOOT TALL, UH, CHAIN LINK WITH SLAT FENCING FOR SCREENING.
UM, PER CODE AT THE TOP OF THE EIGHT FOOT LINE WAS THE BARBED WIRE.
I KNOW THAT WAS A TOPIC AS WELL THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
UM, AND THEN DURING OUR DESIGN WITH STAFF, UH, THE 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAS ADDED.
UM, ALONG WITH THAT A THREE FOOT HIGH, I BELIEVE BERM ALONG WITH TREE PLANTINGS.
AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE DID GET THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I KNOW IT WAS TALKED ABOUT AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN ALSO SHRUBBERY ALONG THAT AREA AS WELL.
I BELIEVE FROM THE EDGE OF THE PARKING TO WALTON WALKER IS ABOUT 60 TO 70 FEET IN AREAS.
UM, AND THE ACCESS POINTS, UM, I BELIEVE Y'ALL ALSO TALKED ABOUT AS WELL, SOME CONCERN WITH THE ONE ON WALTON WALKER, UH, AND THE ONE ON KET.
UM, THERE IS THAT EXISTING ONE ON KEY THAT IS USED FOR AN EMERGENCY EXIT PROPOSING A NEW ONE ON KET.
UM, AND THE REASON TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER DISCUSSED EARLIER, LET'S JUST SPLIT UP AND NOT DIRECT ALL TRAFFIC TO ONE LOCATION.
THE DECELERATION LANE WAS ADDED, UM, DUE TO TRAFFIC AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS MITIGATED CORRECTLY.
UH, WE WORKED WITH TEXDOT AND RECEIVED THEIR APPROVAL ON THAT AS WELL.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE PROCESS FROM START TO FINISH IN A SHORT WAY OF HOW THAT WAS DESIGNED.
SO ON OTHER CASES SIMILAR TO THIS, WE SOMETIMES SEE BUFFERS CLOSER TO 50 FEET, UM, MORE ENHANCEMENT JUST TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE UTILIZED ON OTHER PROJECTS YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN? UH, YES.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK ME AND LAQUAN JUST ALSO TALKED ABOUT.
SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, TECHNICALLY THE GREEN SPACE TO THE ROAD, UH, IN TOTAL IS ABOUT 60 TO 70 FEET.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING SOME TREES, PLANTINGS, SHRUBS.
WE DID JUST TALK ABOUT ALSO POSSIBLY ADDING SOME MORE SHRUBS.
WE COULD DO A STAGGERING, UH, AND, AND ADD MORE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING TO THE AREA IF THAT IS SOMETHING, UH, THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE US TO DO.
UH, WE WANT THE AREA TO LOOK NICE AND LOOK GOOD, UH, ULTIMATELY, UM, THAT, THAT'S THE GOAL HERE.
UM, AND, AND MAINTAINING IT WITH IRRIGATION UPKEEP.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TO DO ALL THIS AND THEN EVERYTHING JUST DIE.
SO THAT, THAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND IT.
AND I GUESS THE FINAL QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A CHAIN LEAK FENCE WAS FLATTING WHILE MEETS THE LETTER OF WHAT'S IN THE CONDITIONS.
UM, AGAIN, USUALLY WE TALK ABOUT MORE ROBUST FENCING THAT PROVIDES A MORE ACTIVE SCREEN, MORE DURABLE MATERIALS.
I DO KNOW IT MEETS CODE TECHNICALLY, AND IT IS MATCHING WHAT IS CURRENTLY OUT
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THERE.WE'RE NOT REUSING THE OLD, BUT, UM, IF THERE IS, UH, A DECORATIVE TYPE OF FENCING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, I'M SURE WE COULD CONSIDER THAT AS WELL AND WORK WITH LAQUAN ON THAT.
SO I, COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
HOW ARE YOU TODAY? DOING GREAT.
UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UM, SHOOT, JUST SAID THAT
UH, BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT, THAT THAT IDLING AND OR PROHIBITING IDLING AT A CERTAIN PARTICULAR HOUR OF THE DAY OR HAVING ANY TYPE OF PROVISIONS, UM, FOR YOUR TRUCK DRIVERS THAT DOES NOT WELL TO MITIGATE THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY? YEP.
I, I DID TALK TO OUR OPERATION STAFF, UH, BEFORE THIS OR THE OWNER'S OPERATION STAFF.
SO A FEW ITEMS ALONG THAT LINE.
I WILL SAY WITH THE OPERATIONS AND THE SITE PLAN LAYOUT, UH, THE FOCUS FOR VEHICLES WILL BE ON THE MORE OF THE SOUTHERN WESTERN HALF OF THE LOT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NORTHEAST HALF, SO YOU'RE KIND OF AWAY FROM THAT AREA.
UH, ALONG WITH THAT, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION MAINLY TAKE PLACE DURING, UH, THE MORNING TO ABOUT SIX.
UM, THERE WILL BE, UH, VEHICLES AT TIME COMING IN, UM, AT CERTAIN HOURS, LATER HOURS.
I WILL SAY THEIR MAIN CLIENT IN THAT AREA DOES, UH, AND A LOT OF THEIR CLIENTS DO PROVIDE, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A ECO-FRIENDLY NATURAL GAS VEHICLES, WHICH HELP WITH EMISSIONS, UH, SOUND, UM, AND OTHER ITEMS LIKE THAT.
UM, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ALSO A, THERE'S, I I, I FORGOT THE TECHNOLOGICAL NAME OF IT.
SO YOU CAN TURN THE, THE ENGINE OFF.
AND SO LIKE REFRIGERATED TRUCKS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE FOR YOUR REFRIGER? IF YOU HAVE REFRIGERATED TRUCKS THAT COME IN AND, AND NEED TO RUN ALL NIGHT LONG, BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE ENGINE GOING? UH, I WILL SAY I'M NOT A TRUCKING EXPERT, UH,
UM, I, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I CAN, UH, TALK TO THE OPERATION STAFF ABOUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DO.
SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ANYTHING, ALL YOUR TRUCKS, IF, IF I AM UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I'M NOT MM-HMM.
UM, YOUR, ALL OF YOUR TRUCKS IN YOUR PARKING IS, YOU HAVE A FUR THE FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY THAT YOU CAN GET IT WHEN YOU ARE OFFERING THE BUFFERING, THE MITIGATION MM-HMM.
IT, NOT TO SAY IT WON'T EVER HAPPEN ALONG THE NORTHEAST SIDE, BUT THE MAIN FOCUS, THE MAJORITY OF THE AIR OF FOUR VEHICLES FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, UM, I GUESS WE ARE TALKING MAINLY ABOUT THE VEHICLES, BUT YES, IT'LL BE IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
THE SOUTHERN PORTION, THE WESTERN PORTION ALONG KEY AND DUNCANVILLE.
WELL, I THINK WE HEARD EARLIER THAT, OOPS, I THINK WE HEARD EARLIER THAT THERE MIGHT BE 87 TRACTORS THERE, OR THE, THE TRUCKS, UH, ARE THEY ALL GOING TO BE LEAVING EVERY DAY OR ARE THEY THERE FOR STORAGE OR, SO, UM, THAT, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
UH, I COULD PULL THE SITE PLAN FOR THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO THEIR MAIN FUNCTION IS TO COME IN AND OUT EVERY DAY.
WILL IT ALWAYS BE 87? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT AN EXACT NUMBER WHEN IT COMES TO ALL THAT.
UH, TAKING TRAILERS, UH, TO AND FRO TRANSPORTATION, I WILL SAY AS A PART OF THE SITE IS THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, AS A PART OF THE BUILDING, UM, THERE IS MAINTENANCE BAYS IN THERE.
SO SOME OF THOSE, UM, MIGHT NOT BE BEING USED, BUT THEY MIGHT BE GETTING MAINTAINED FIXED, UM, WHETHER IT'S OIL CHANGES OR REPAIRS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THOSE ARE ANOTHER REASON WHY THE VEHICLES WILL BE THERE.
BUT THE, THE, THE BULK OF THEM WILL BE MOVING IN AND OUT EVERY DAY, CORRECT? YES.
MR. WHEELER, IS IT, IS THERE QUITE A BIT OF TRUCK ACTIVITY GOING ON RIGHT NOW? IS THERE A TRUCKING ACTIVITY GOING? OH, YES.
SO CURRENTLY, YES, IT WOULD BE THE SAME OPERATIONS, JUST SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHICH COMMISSION MEMBER MENTIONED IT EARLIER, BUT IN EXPANSION TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE TRUCKS COMING IN ALONG KEY AND, UH, MAINLY DUNCANVILLE ALSO, UM, THE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AROUND
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THE NEEDING OF BARB WIRE FI, UH, FENCING AT THE, AT THE VERY TOP.UM, COULD YOU GIVE US ANY RATIONALE FOR THAT? UH, SO MAINLY, UM, AND I'VE WORKED ON THESE AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR TRUCKING COMPANY.
UH, SO THAT IS A, A SECURITY MEASURE.
SO THEY LIKE TO PUT SLATS ON THE FENCE TO NOT BE SCREEN, OF COURSE, TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER, BUT THEY ALSO DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE FOR ANYONE, UM, PASSING BY TO SEE WHAT'S IN THERE.
AND THEN THE BARBED WIRE IS ALSO TO DETER FOR SECURITY REASONS, TO PREVENT ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THE AREA.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE MAIN FOCUS THERE.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BARBED WIRE SECURITY REASONS, THE TRUCKING COMPANY HAS A WHOLE SECURITY DIVISION, WHETHER IT'S CAMERAS ON THE LIGHT POLES, BARBED WIRE, UM, PRIVACY, SO FORTH.
SO WITH THE, UM, SO THE MINIMUM IS SIX FEET.
UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET.
AND WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSED HEIGHT? UH, EIGHT FEET.
AND THE BARBED WIRE WILL BE ABOVE THAT EIGHT FOOT LINE.
AND YOU ALL ONLY USE CHAIN LINK FENCING? UH, IT WOULD BE, UM, LINKED, UH, WITH BLACK SLATS.
SO THE SLATS ARE ESSENTIALLY A SCREEN WALL? YES.
THAT IS WHAT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE, UM, ALONG THAT LINE, CAN, UM, I'M HAVING TROUBLE IMAGINING THE CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH THE SLATS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE DEEPER? YEAH, IT WOULD BE, UH, I SHOULD HAVE SENT YOU IN THE EMAIL, THE ACTUAL MATERIAL, UH, IF YOU DO GOOGLE IT, CHAIN LINK METAL WITH SLATS, YOU'LL SEE IT'S, UH, ALMOST LIKE A METAL ISH PANEL FLAT, AND IT'S SLATS.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE INCHES WIDE AND THEY GO ALL ACROSS THE FENCE LINE.
UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE SECURITY NEEDS OF THE TRUCKING COMPANY.
UM, I, AND I, I DON'T, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, UM, MAYBE THE, UM, CHAIN LINK, I MEAN THE, THE BARBED WIRE ON THE, UH, EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, I MEAN THE SOUTHWESTERN SIDE BY THE DUNCANVILLE ENTRANCE.
UM, BUT BECAUSE WALTON ROGERS IS GONNA BE SO MUCH RIGHT, I WOULD RATHER NOT, IT, I WOULD RATHER NOT PASS IT AND FEEL LIKE I'M PASSING A PENITENTIARY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO IF YOU CAN, CAN YOU FIND OTHER SECURITY MEASURES OTHER THAN BARBED WIRE FENCING ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TALKING TO THEM ABOUT BEFORE THIS MEETING.
SINCE I WAS LISTENING TO THE BRIEFING.
THERE ARE OTHER SECURITY MEASURES.
IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CAUSING, UM, A REASON TO MAYBE NOT PASS THE CASE, THEN YES, I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE OTHER SECURITY MEASURES.
IF YOU'RE WORK WORRIED ABOUT THE AESTHETIC, LOOK ALONG WALTON WALKER, THEN YES, WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER MEASURES THAT WAY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH, WITH DOING THAT.
MM-HMM,
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 3 3 3, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, APPROVE THIS ITEM FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES.
SCREENING AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH WROUGHT IRON FENCE MUST BE MAINTAINED WITH MASONRY ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, THE USE OF BARBED WIRE IS PROHIBITED.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, FOR YOUR MOTION.
UH, ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE? NO, NO COMMENTS.
YES, I'VE HAD GREAT COM COMMENTS.
I HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, MR. WALDEN AND, UM, SOME GOOD BACK AND FORTH.
UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING PROPERTY IN THE LAST IRRIGATION.
UM, HE TALKED ABOUT AN IRRIGATION PLAN THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.
UM, SO I THINK, UH, THEY'RE CONFIDENT TO COME BACK IN THREE YEARS AND, AND HAVE A TALK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, UM, COOPERATION ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE AN OBSERVATION FROM WHAT I THINK I LEARNED IN THE, UH, HERE, IN THE, UH, BRIEFING THIS MORNING THAT THIS BUSINESS HAS BEEN TRYING TO EXPAND IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR OVER THREE YEARS.
AND THEN THEY GET TO PLAN COMMISSION AND WE, UM, ERECT FURTHER HURDLES FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH, AND THEN WE, UH, GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA SECURE LITERALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.
AND SO I JUST MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT IT'S PERHAPS THESE SORTS OF CONVERSATIONS THAT CAN, FROM TIME TO TIME, GIVE US A REPUTATION FOR BEING A DIFFICULT CITY TO DO BUSINESS IN.
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HAMPTON.I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND THE DILIGENCE THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT HAS SHOWN, AND AS HE'S APPROACHED THIS PROJECT, THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, NATURE OF THE ROADWAY THAT THIS IS LOCATED ON.
I JUST WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE SOME MORE CONSIDERATION OF HOW TO MITIGATE WHAT WILL BE IMPACTS TO THAT COMMUNITY.
AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY, UM, TO BUILD THOSE IN, BUT I THINK WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF OTHER CASES.
I CERTAINLY AM SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT CLEARLY THE APPLICANT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR SOME TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY AND WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY, I'M NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UM, FOR ALL THE REASONS I STATED AT THE BRIEFING.
I THINK THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY IS EXTREMELY TROUBLING.
WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME IN COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, TALKING ABOUT THE UNFORTUNATE RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL INCOMPATIBLE ADJACENCIES, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN THE PAST.
AND I, I FIND THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PERPETUATING THEM TODAY.
AND I, WHILE THE ORIGINAL CONDITION CALLED FOR A SOLID EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UM, THE REVISED CONDITION, THE PROPOSED CONDITION FOR A WROUGHT IRON AND MASONRY FENCE, UM, SEEMS TO ME TO BE FAIRLY OPEN-ENDED AND PERHAPS EVEN PROVIDE LESS, UH, PROTECTION TO THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET.
IN TERMS OF SOUND, IT'S GONNA BE EXTREMELY NOISY.
UM, THE TRUCKS MAY BE CONFINED TO THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE, OF THE SITE.
I MEAN, AS FAR AS BEING PARKED.
BUT ALL THESE TRAILERS, YOU KNOW, GO RIGHT UP TO WALTON WALKER AND THE, UM, BY THE ENGINEER'S EXPLANATION, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE COMING AND GOING AND PULLING, UM, UH, TRAILERS IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG.
AND, YOU KNOW, OSHA MANDATES THAT THERE'S A PARTICULAR, UM, LOUD PENETRATING SIGNAL THAT YOU HAVE TO HEAR WHEN THINGS BACK UP.
IT'S VERY CARING, AND THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THEM.
SO THE ADJACENCY IS JUST TOO TROUBLING FOR ME.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER, YES, COMMISSIONER RE I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE EMOTION, UM, BUT NOT IN THE ENTIRETY.
UM, BEING IN, IN TRUCKING AND BEING AROUND TRUCKING AND KNOWING HOW, AT THE, HOW BREAKINS CAN CRIPPLE A COMPANY AND THEY OFF THEY HAVE HAPPEN MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THE BARB WIRE, OTHER ALTERNATIVES DON'T DETOUR AS MUCH AS THE BARB WIRE, BUT I DO.
UM, THE ORIGINAL QUESTION THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT ASKED ABOUT IN CERTAIN AREAS, REMOVING THE BARB WIRE AND USING AN ALTERNATIVE I COULD AGREE WITH, BUT I, I, I DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER HART, UM, HOUSEWRIGHT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FREIGHT, THAT WHEN IT'S STOLEN, THAT IT, IT CAN CRIPPLE A COMPANY.
IT CAN NOT ONLY CRIPPLE A COMPANY, IT CAN IT, UM, GO OVER INTO THE, THE ACTUAL, UM, RETAILER.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY, UM, AND THE CONSUMER.
SO, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, IF HE COULD AMEND IN JUST THE WALTER WALKER PART, MAYBE, BUT TO, TO SAY TOTALLY NO ON THE WHOLE PROPERTY, I COULD NOT CONCUR WITH THAT.
BUT I DEFINITELY, THE WALTER WALKER PORTION THAT HE DID, THAT'S MORE VISIBLE.
DEFINITELY I COULD, IF YOU HAD AN ALTERNATE.
SO IF THAT IS A MOTION THAT CAN BE, UM, AMENDED, BUT FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY, I COULD NOT GET BEHIND THAT.
BUT THE APPROVAL, AGAIN, JUST NOT THE PART WHERE THE, WE, WE SAY ABSOLUTELY NO BARBED WIRE ON THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DID SECOND THE MOTION.
UH, I AM SENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, UH, AND, UM, I THINK I WAS SWAYED WHEN I, UH, I VISITED THE SITE AND THE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE AT, UH, SAMAL WALKER, UH, IS IS, IS PRETTY, UH, SIGNIFICANT.
I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PLANS, UH, IT, IT'S HARD TO GAUGE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE REAL LORD, EXACTLY WHAT 30 FEET IS.
UH, WOULD I SUPPORT A ADDITIONAL BUFFER? I WOULD, UH, BUT I SUPPORT IT AS IS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, WE TAKE A RECORD VOTE.
UM, DO YOU MIND DOING THE RECORD VOTE? DO YOU WANNA DO
UH, WE'LL DO, DO YOU WANNA DO IT RANDOM? DO YOU WANNA DO IT RANDOM PLEASE? DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT RANDOM, RIGHT? I KNOW WE'LL
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KEEP THE SURPRISE.WE HAD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WITHOUT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
DO DO YOU WANNA MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I DID.
COULD YOU RESTATE IT? SO THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS NOT TO, TO, TO OUTRIGHT THE BARB WIRE FIRE.
LET ME FIT, UM, THE BARB WIRE ON THE WHOLE PROPERTY, BUT ONLY ON THE WESTMORELAND.
MEAN ON THE, UM, WALTER WALKER SIDE, BUT NOT THE WHOLE PROPERTY TO NOT HAVE BARB WIRE ON.
WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YES, I WOULD.
MR. MOORE, DO WE, DO WE NOW DEBATE THE AMENDMENT EVEN IF IT WAS ACCEPTED? IF IT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE JUST VOTE ON AMENDMENT IS AMENDED.
LET'S, LET'S TAKE A KNEE AROUND.
ANY OTHER, ANY COMMENTS NOW WITH THE, UH, THE BARBED WIRE ON THREE SIDES ONLY? DO WE REDO THE YES, PLEASE.
UH, WITH 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
WELL, IT WAS MY FIRST TIME, SO THANK YOU.
AND YOU DID IT ALL UP TOP OF YOUR, UH, NO.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL KEEP MOVING NOW TO, UH,
[13. 24-426 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1982 for a bar, lounge, or tavern and an inside commercial amusement limited to a Class A dance hall on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development District No. 269, the Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the southwest corner of Elm Street and North Crowdus Street.]
WE'RE ON CASE NUMBER 13 Z 2 34.THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 4.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 9 82 FOR A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN.
AND AN INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT LIMITED TO A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONE.
TRACK A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP ELM NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ELM STREET AND NORTH CRO STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH ZERO FOUR, I MOVE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE SEVENTH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE AND ALL AS IF FAVOR SAY AYE.
THE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 7TH.
[18. 24-432 An application for 1) a Specific Use Permit for a motor vehicle fueling station; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less on property zoned Subdistrict 5 within Planned Development District No. 533, the C.F. Hawn Special Purpose District No. 1, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the southwest corner of Elam Road and C.F. Hawn Freeway. ( Part 1 of 2 )]
CASE 18, NOW TO OUR CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.NUMBER 18, TOP OF PAGE SEVEN, MR. PEPE.
ITEM Z 2 23 1 22 IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE FUEL STATION.
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PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MARSH FOOD STORE.3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONED SUB-DISTRICT FIVE WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 33, THE CF HAN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT NUMBER ONE WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ELAM ROAD AND CF HAN FREEWAY.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THE APPLICANT I SEE IS HERE.
CAN YOU PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON FOR THE MICROPHONE? OH, THERE, IT'S PERFECT.
AS PER THE, UH, SUMMARY OF CHANGES FOR ORIGINAL REQUEST, UH, SUBMITTED BY MR. PEPE, THERE IS ONLY BASICALLY, UH, TWO ITEMS. ONE IS THE PROPOSAL ON THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND THE PARKING.
PARKING, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT.
UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, COMPILED WITH THE REDUCING THE BUILDING SIZE, UH, AND UH, HAVE AN ADDITIONAL EV PARKING AND ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, BIKE SPACES.
SO THAT, UH, I THINK WE HAD DISCUSSED IN THE LAST MEETING AS WELL.
AND REGARDING THE, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING EIGHT DECORATIVE PARKING SPACES, AS ALREADY NOTED IN MR. PEPE'S, UH, NOTES, UH, THERE'S ONE THING LEFT OUT THERE IS WE ALSO, UM, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DECORATIVE PAVING UNDER THE CANOPY TO OFFSET THE LACK OF LANDSCAPE.
AND SO WITH ENOUGH DONE THERE, WE KINDLY REQUEST THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT IT AND GIVE THAT VARIANCE FOR THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT LEAVES ONE OTHER ITEM PENDING, WHICH IS THE, UH, EASEMENT, UH, I'M SORRY, THE DRIVEWAY EASEMENT COMING THROUGH ON THE C FON HIGHWAY SERVICE ROAD.
UM, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM STAFF THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THE CORNER.
UM, WE HAVE GONE TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR THIS ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ADVISED US FIRST, UH, DO THE DECLARATION OF PRIVATE DRAINAGE EASEMENT, WHICH WILL BE A, A FIVE FOOT, UH, EASEMENT.
UH, ALL ALONG THE, UH, SOUTHERLY BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY WE HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED TO THE DALLAS COUNTY AND RECORDED IT.
COPY WAS SENT TO MR. PEPE YESTERDAY.
SORRY WE COULDN'T GET IT EARLIER, SO IT WAS LATE, BUT IT HAS BEEN SENT AND SUBMITTED.
ONCE THAT WAS DONE, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ADVISES WE CAN NOW GO AHEAD AND APPLY THE TECH START FOR RE-APPROVAL WITH THE EXISTING, UM, EASEMENT THE WAY IT IS.
SO WITH THAT SAID, WE KINDLY REQUEST THE, UH, COMMISSION TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND, UH, WORK WITH US FOR THE APPROVAL ON THIS.
ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE.
UM, MR. UM, RAM, UM, QUESTION FOR YOU, WHEN YOU SAID THE LANDSCAPE, THE LANDSCAPE IS REQUIRING A 10 FOOT BUFFER ON THE STREET, IF I, I'M, I'M RE REM RE I AM, YEAH.
REMEMBERING THE PD, MR. RAM, OUR DESIGNERS JUST CAME IN, SO I'M SURE MISS, I'LL BRING HIM IN HERE TOO.
HE MAY BE ABLE TO ASSIST US ON THIS PARTICULAR, OKAY.
SO YOU STILL HAVE OUTSTANDING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE STREET, UH, ON THAT.
AND THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS REQUIRING A 10 FOOT BUFFER PER THAT PD.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES, I BELIEVE SO, YES.
AND THE, THE STREET, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE STREET, THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THE, THE, THE SITE IS DESIGNED, YOU WERE UNABLE TO PROVIDE THAT 10 FOOT BUFFER, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YEAH, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO, WE PROVIDED A FOUR FOOT, UH, UH, WHAT'S THE WIDEST YOU CAN, UM, YOU JUST, YOU'LL KILL THE PROJECT.
THERE'S NO, WON'T LEAVE US ANY MORE SPACE IN THE INSIDE.
SO YOU'VE, OKAY, SO YOU'VE ALSO, OKAY, I'M GONNA CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
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AND I'LL ASK STAFF ABOUT THE, THE, THE BUFFERING.UM, YOU ALSO HAVE, YOU, YOU SENT US AN UPDATE LAST NIGHT AND IN THAT UPDATE, AND I, I APOLOGIZE THAT THE, THE, UH, REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS DID NOT GET THAT UNTIL JUST A WHILE AGO.
SO LET ME GO SEE IF I CAN ASK YOU YOUR QUES ASK THE QUESTIONS, UM, SO THAT WE ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CHANGING AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
UM, YOU HAVE REMOVED THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF, SO THAT IS ONLY ON THE SERVICE ROAD, CORRECT? YES.
SO THERE IS NO MORE EGRESS INGRESS ON, UH, ON ELAM ELAM, CORRECT? NO.
UM, SO, AND THEN YOU, HAVE YOU CORRECTED THE AMOUNT OF PARKING.
ARE YOU HA OR DO YOU HAVE PARKING PER THE PD OR ARE YOU STILL ONE ONE SLOT SHORT? NO, WE ARE MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU'RE MEETING THE PARKING, OKAY.
WE REDUCE THE BUILDING SIZE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
SO YOU'VE REDUCED THE BUILDING SIZE TO, TO MEET THE PARKING.
YOU AND YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE TDOT PROCESS IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE THEM REAPPROVE YOUR EGRESS AS IT'S, AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY TDOT ORIGINALLY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO, SO THAT THE ONLY THING THAT YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS IS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER? YES.
HOW WIDE OF A BUFFER ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE? UH, WE ONLY ABLE TO PROVIDE FOUR FEET BUFFER AND, UH, WE ARE ABLE TO PUT, UH, THE STREET TREES IN THAT, UH, IN THAT, UH, IN THAT FOUR FOOT BUFFER, YOU COULD PUT THE STREET TREES? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? YES.
WHAT WAS THE BUFFERING THAT YOU, THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE? UM, I THINK IT GONNA NEED ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE.
THERE WAS A BUFFER THAT HE SPOKE OF, UM, THAT HE WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, THE ORIG THE APPLICANT.
WHAT WAS THE BUFFERING THAT YOU, THAT YOU SPOKE OF THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE? WELL, WE, UH, UH, WE WERE, UH, LET ME PULL THAT UP HERE.
WE ALREADY, UH, PROVIDED UH, EIGHT, UH, DECORATIVE PARKING SPACES IN, IN LIEU OF THE SIX FEET SHORT ON THE LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN ALSO WE ARE PROVIDING THE, UH, DECORATIVE PAVING UNDER THE CANOPY ALSO TO MAKE IT NICER, WHICH IS NOT NORMALLY REQUIRED TO MAKE IT BETTER.
WAS THAT, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, ACTUALLY SAID THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD MITIGATE FOR THE OTHER SIX FEET? OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE OFFERING TO DO? THAT IS, THAT IS IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING THE FOUR FEET, WE ARE DOING IT ON THE MAIN SITE AREA TO MAKE IT MORE DECORATIVE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THE ADDITIONAL SIX FEET LANDSCAPING.
SO THE, I'M ASKING YOU BECAUSE, UM, THAT THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A POINT OF CONTENTION IS THAT WILL WILL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, UM, MR. ARTICLE 10 RIGHT? THE LANDSCAPE, UM, ARTICLE 10, WOULD THAT SATISFY THAT? YES, IT SHOULD.
UM, NOT, NOT HAVE YOU CHECKED TO SEE WHAT IT NOT SHOULD, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN THE, IN THE DECISION FACTOR, IF YOU'VE WENT THROUGH AND SEE IF THAT WOULD SATISFY OKAY.
THAT TYPE OF BUFFERING OR EVEN THOUGH THAT YOU'RE OFFERING, AND I UNDERSTAND.
IF IT'S NOT MANDATORY, THEN YOU WON'T, YOU, THERE'S NOT A PROMISE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL KEEP THAT I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT'S NOT MANDATORY.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE DECIDING ON THAT, UH, ON WHETHER TAKING THAT EVEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, IS WILL MEET ARTICLE 10.
SO WE MIGHT NEED TO BE ASKING, WE'LL ASK STAFF THAT WHEN WE GET THE STAFF.
COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, LET'S DO, DO APPLICANT QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
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ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, STAFF QUESTIONS.UH, APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT, UH, MY QUESTION IS REGARDS TO THE FILING WITH TDOT.
IF TDOT REVIEWS THIS AND COMES BACK AND SAYS THAT THAT ENTRANCE IS A PROBLEM FOR THEM, WHERE DOES THAT PUT THIS APPLICANT? LAST NIGHT? THEY SENT WHAT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, FOR PERMIT.
MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN CLARIFY WHAT WAS SUBMITTED.
WE DON'T TYPICALLY LOOK AT THOSE CHECKS, SLOT APPROVALS.
THEY HAVE TO LATER PROVE THOSE TO ENGINEERING THAT THEY HAVE THEM.
UM, SO I CAN'T CONFIRM THE STATUS OF THAT OR THE, OR THE, UM, VALIDITY OF THAT? THEY CAN, THEY CAN SPEAK TO IT CERTAINLY, BUT WE DON'T CONFIRM THOSE AT THIS STAGE.
ENGINEERING WILL REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF IT, UM, AT THE, AT THE ENGINEERING PHASE.
SO, SO IT WOULD BE BUILDING INSPECTION WOULD THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
I'M NOT THINKING IT'S COMING BACK TO US, IT'S JUST BUILDING INSPECTION.
WE THEN PUT A STOP TO THE APPLICATION AND SAY THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK.
AND WHILE THAT IS IN PLACE THERE, WE TRY NOT TO SEND THEM SITE PLANS THAT ARE NOT GONNA END UP WORKING AT THE SAME RATE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BOTH, BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT TEXTILE DOCUMENT WE'RE LOOKING AT OR COMPLETENESS OF IT.
DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK THE APPLICANT WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING TO THAT.
DO YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION? UH, SAME QUESTION.
PLEASE TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
TDOT HAD APPROVED THAT, UH, UH, ACCESS BEFORE AND WHEN THERE WAS A DELAY, UH, WE WENT BACK FOR RE-APPROVAL, WHICH I DID THAT TWO YEARS AGO AS WELL.
SO NOW, UH, SO OBVIOUSLY TWICE THEY HAD APPROVED IT.
AND, AND SO NOW WHEN WE WENT TO ENGINEERING, THERE WAS ONE OTHER ITEM, WHICH WAS THAT DRAINAGE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, EASEMENT THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE.
SO ACCORDING TO ENGINEERING, RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING, THEY SAID ONCE YOU DO THIS, THIS SHOULD SATISFY, UH, FOR RE-APPROVAL.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DONE THAT AND, AND WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE'RE GONNA GET IT.
SO COMMISSIONER WHEELER STAFF, I NEED THIS.
YOU ALL REALLY KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS CASE.
THIS APPLICANT HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I'M SORRY, THAT'S A LITTLE QUIET.
THIS, THIS APPLICANT HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND WAS TOLD BY THE CITY TO TEAR IT DOWN AND REBUILD.
IF THIS APPLICANT IS KEEP GOING, HEAVEN, TO GO BACK, WHY IS THIS APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT TECH STOP NEEDS APPROVAL AND FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, TECH STOP KEEPS APPROVING AND HE KEEP HAVING TO GO BACK.
IF THE, AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE KEEP HAVING IN HERE IS THE, THE INGRESS EGRESS AND TECH STOP KEEPS APPROVING IT, BUT WE KEEP SAYING IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
CAN YOU GIMME ANY INSIGHT ON WHY WE TAKE GIVING THIS APPLICANT THIS MUCH? I THINK I FOLLOW.
YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M, OH, I'M SORRY.
I MEAN, AGAIN, I KNOW FOR, I KNOW I'VE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION WHERE THE CITY SAYS, TURN DOWN AND WHEN YOU TURN DOWN YOU LOSE YOUR, HE'S LOST HIS GRANDFATHER CRAWL AND NOW WE KEEP GIVING HIM THE RUNAROUNDS.
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME, I UNDERSTAND WHY SIX I'M SAYING YES.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, THE TDOT REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY REQUIREMENTS, HOWEVER, AN AN ENTRANCE ON TDOT ROAD IS GOING TO NEED THEIR APPROVAL DEMONSTRATED TO ENGINEERING AT PERMITTING.
UM, THE POINT OF CONTENTION THAT YOU DISCUSSED OR THE, THE, THE THINGS THAT WERE IN STAFF COMMENTS ABOUT INGRESS, EGRESS WERE MORE ABOUT CITY STREET DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, THAN NECESSARILY THE APPROVAL OF TEXDOT.
UM, THAT'S REQUIRED EITHER WAY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY THAT IT'S NOT, UM, GIVEN THIS APPROVAL, BUT THE STREET DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE A, A FACTOR.
SO ONE, THE, THE EL ENTRANCE, THEY DID, UH, MARK THAT AS CLOSED ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT THE DISTANCE FROM THE INTERSECTION DIDN'T, THE DISTANCE OF THE CF O ONE ALSO DID NOT MEET THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STREET DESIGN GUIDELINES OF A HUNDRED FEET FROM THAT INTERSECTION.
SO DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS, TEXDOT MAY APPROVE ONE THING OR ANOTHER, BUT THIS, THAT ONE, THOSE COMMENTS WERE ABOUT STUFFED, UH, STREET DESIGN GUIDELINES.
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SORRY, IT'S HARD TO SAY.SO PRETTY MUCH WE JUST GONNA MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO BUILD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
'CAUSE IF THE, BECAUSE WHY IS THE APPLICANT EVEN HAVING TO APPLY TO TDOT AND THEN THE CITY DOESN'T LINE UP WITH WHAT TDOT IS SAYING.
AND, AND THEN I, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M REALLY, I'M, I'M CONFUSED.
THIS, THIS SITE IS VERY TROUBLING BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A NEW OWNER.
THIS IS AN OWNER WHO'S OWNED FOR 20 YEARS AND DECIDED TO REBUILD SOMETHING NICER.
SO COMMISSIONER YEAH, THANK YOU.
YEAH, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A PAUSE FOR A MOMENT.
WE'RE GONNA TABLE THE ITEM, COME BACK TO IT AT THE END OF THE END OF THE DOCKET COMMISSIONERS.
UH, MR. ROM, IF YOU MIND COMING HERE TO THE SIDE LITTLE SIDEBAR WITH MR. MOORE.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS ITEM COMMISSIONERS AT THE END OF THE HEARING.
UH, BUT FOR THE MOMENT, LET'S, LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT
[19. 24-428 An application for the termination of deed restrictions [Z978-150 and Z190-168] on property zoned a CS Commercial Service District, on the north corner of South Fitzhugh Avenue and Haskell Avenue.]
CASE NUMBER 19 Z 2 2 3 2 4 5.AND MR. CLINTON, CAN WE GET THAT RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE? SIR, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 19, CASE Z 2 2 3 DASH 2 45 AND APPLICATION FOR THE TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 9 78 DASH 15 AND Z 1 9 0 DASH 1 68 ON PROPERTY ZONE, A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH FITZ HU AVENUE AND HASKELL AVENUE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 9 78 DASH 15 AND Z 1 9 0 DASH 68 AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT SAYS ITEM NUMBER 19 Z 2 2 3 2 45.
MR. CLINTON, UM, HAVE YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO TODAY'S HEARING? PRIOR TO TODAY'S HEARING, YES.
WELL, BETWEEN DECEMBER AND BUT RECENTLY, YES.
UM, I JUST, I APPRECIATE THAT CONTEXT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 DASH 2 4 5, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE REQUEST.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, WE HELD THIS AT THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE I WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
AS I MENTIONED IN THE BRIEFING, I WAS THE COMMISSIONER FOR THIS CASE IN 2020 WHEN IT CAME THROUGH.
UM, THIS WAS AT THAT TIME A BUSINESS OPERATOR WHO'D BEEN THERE FOR 18 YEARS.
UM, THEY HAD REALIZED THAT THEY WERE NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT HAD BEEN PUT INTO PLACE.
WE WORKED WITH THEM, WE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE ADJUSTED THEM TO ALLOW THE BUSINESS TO CONTINUE.
UM, I THINK THEY ARE INTERESTED IN CHANGING THE USE, BUT I AM NOT COMFORTABLE BASED ON THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND INPUT THAT I'VE HAD BOTH IN 2020 AND AGAIN, UM, PRIOR TO TODAY'S HEARING, THAT SIMPLY REMOVING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND HAVING CS BY RIGHT IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION.
THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MORE INTENSE USES THAT WOULD BECOME BY RIGHT IN LIEU OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE AFFORDED BY THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT EXIST TODAY.
I ASKED MR. CLINTON MY QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THEM.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE A MORE REFINED SOLUTION, BUT WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH THAT APPLICANT AND UNDERSTANDING THEIR REQUEST, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING A CHANGE ON THEIR BEHALF.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT MY COMMISSIONERS WILL, UM, SUPPORT THE REQUEST AND I WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO ENGAGE WITH THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THEIR DESIRES ARE FOR THIS USE.
COMMISSIONER HARBERT? YEAH, JUST A QUESTION.
IS THIS A STRAIGHT DENIAL OR DENIAL WITH WITHOUT PREJUDICE? OKAY, GREAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
WE HAVE MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON SECONDING BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IN THE MATTER OF 2 2 3 2 4 5 2.
CLOSE OF VOTE HEARING NOT FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER DENY THE APPLICATION WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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MOTION CARRIES.[20. 24-429 An application for an R-16(A) Single Family District on property zoned an R-1ac(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Park Lane, between Preston Road and Douglas Avenue.]
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 20, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 46.AN APPLICATION FOR AN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R ONE AC SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF PARK LANE BETWEEN PRESTON ROAD AND DOUGLAS AVENUE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ITEM NUMBER 20, PAGE SEVEN.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HALL, CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UH, IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 2 46? I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[21. 24-430 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a convent or monastery on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the northeast corner of Fairport Road and Longbranch Lane.]
MR. BAIT, TAKE, TAKE YOUR TIME.THIS IS ITEM 21, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 84.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CONVENT OR MONASTERY ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FAIRPORT ROAD AND LONG BRANCH LANE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE OUR TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH MR. MIN? YES? YES SIR.
CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA'S ON? IS IT NOT ON? UH, I DON'T SEE YOU YET.
READY FOR TO YOUR COMMENT, SIR.
SO GOOD AFTERNOON NOW EVERYBODY, UH, MY NAME IS LAMI.
ADDRESS IS 1 0 0 7 ESTE PARK DRIVE.
I'M HERE, UH, TO ASSIST, UH, PRECAN AND DPA IN ANSWERING, UH, ANY POSSIBLE, UH, QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, SINCE LAST MEETING, UH, WE HAVE SENT OUT, UH, END OF, UH, THE EXPLANATION, OUR STORM CHANGE REQUEST TO OUR NEIGHBORS BY POST MAIL, LIKE 55 ADDRESSES AND SO ON.
UM, IN THE PAST, IN EARLY OCTOBER ALSO, AND NOVEMBER ALSO, WE, WE SEND OUT FLYERS ALSO.
AND I THINK THE APPLICANT PENALTY PART HAS ENGAGED WITH ALSO COMMISSIONER
AND, UM, I THINK THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, THE NORTH SIDE, UH, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY KINDA FOREIGN AND KEEPING THOSE FOR, UH, TREES THERE.
SO I THINK WE AGREE THAT APPLICANTS AGREE TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES THERE AND TO MAINTAIN ALSO, UM, THE ALL CAR PARKING INSIDE THE COMPOUND AND ALSO NO LIGHTS OR SOUND.
UH, AFTER 9:00 PM UH, WE ARE, WE ARE ALSO AGREEING TO THOSE TERMS AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
NOW WE ARE JUST, ANY ONLINE, NOT ONLINE.
HE, HE IS LINE MR. DEEP, ARE YOU ON LINE, SIR? DO YOU SEE HIM OKAY? UH, YEAH.
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UH, ALREADY EXPLAIN ABOUT WHAT ON, YEAH, AND I DON'T DEEPA CAN YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA IS ON, SIR? WE DON'T SEE YOU YET.UH, JUST PREVIOUSLY, JUST MISS, UH, MR.
AND SO I FEEL REALLY HAVE A MUCH, UM, TALK SPEECH, JUST THAT WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY CONCERN FROM CITY AND OUR PUBLIC.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS.
UM, JUST, JUST SO THAT EVERYONE HERE UNDERSTANDS, UH, MR. DEEPA, IS IT, IS IT NOT TRUE THAT YOU ARE VOLUNTEERING TO PUT A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE RESIDE? SO, UH, ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES AND THAT THERE YOU WILL HAVE NO AMPL, NO OUTSIDE AMPLIFICATION OR LIGHTS AFTER 9:00 PM AND ALL PARKING IS TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
MAY I ASK ONE QUESTION? YES, SIR.
UM, WHEN YOU SAY, UH, RESIDENCY ADJACENT, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO NORTH SITE, RIGHT? NO, IT'S ONLY ONE SECTION OF, OF YOUR LOT.
IT'S IN THE VERY, VERY BACK THAT YOU YES.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN USING THAT, THAT YES, YES, YES.
COMMISSIONER RUBIN? NO, NO STAFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS A CHARGE, WE CAN'T ACCEPT A DEEP RESTRICTION THAT LIMITS, UM, AMPLIFICATION OF SOUND.
CAN, CAN OUR TWO SPEAKERS ONLINE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE TURNED OFF.
UM, BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS FOR A CHURCH, THERE'S FIRST AMENDMENT CONCERNS WITH ACCEPTING A DEED RESTRICTION THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE USE OF AMPLIFIED SOUND.
SO I CAN, SO WE CAN DO THE REST EXCEPT FOR THE AMPLIFIED SOUND AND, AND LIGHTS.
CAN, SO IT WAS, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE OTHER TWO WERE PLEASE? UM, 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
AND ALL PARKING ON THE PROPERTY ALSO FINE.
HMM? THE, THE OTHER ON THE LIGHTS.
THE LIGHTS AFTER NINE
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S JUST THE OTHER TWO.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER RUBIN? YEAH, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.
YOU'RE RE ADDING THESE CONDITIONS VIA DEED DEED RESTRICTIONS, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS AN SUP.
SO WE HAVE, SO THIS, THESE ARE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE BEING VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT, RIGHT? IT, UH, I MY UNDERSTANDING IS BETWEEN THE CONVERSATION, UH, BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONER AND THE APPLICANT THAT THEY DISCUSSED DEED RESTRICTIONS AND THIS IS AN SUP THAT LASTS FOR THREE YEARS, RIGHT? YES.
AND THESE DE RESTRICTIONS LAST IN PERPETUITY UNLESS THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT DECIDE TO REMOVE THEM, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, WHILE WE'RE ASKING A QUESTION OF STAFF, I'M ALSO STAFF, UM, THE CONDITIONS THAT, UM, SORRY, I NEVER HOLD FOR LAUGHS.
I REALLY NEED TO START DOING THAT.
UM, I JUST DUNNO HOW FUNNY I AM.
UM, THE CONDITIONS THAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR READ ALOUD, UM, THOSE COULD EASILY BE A PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SUP FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE.
UM, I'M COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION OF COMMISSIONER BLAIR? WOULD COMMISSIONER I I HAVE SOME FURTHER QUESTIONS.
WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE AS SUP CONDITIONS AS OPPOSED TO DEED RESTRICTIONS? ABSOLUTELY.
AND MY LAST QUESTION OR LAST LINE OF QUESTIONS IS, WHAT DOES A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER
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ACTUALLY REQUIRE? I'M NOT QUITE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WOULD NECESSARILY REQUIRE.I WOULD, UH, DEFER TO SOMEONE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, BUT GENERALLY I WOULD THINK THAT IT MEANS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE YOU NEED 30 FEET OF LANDSCAPING THAT, UH, MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY LANDSCAPE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, ARTICLE 10, LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND, BUT THIS IS A RESIDENTIALLY ZONE PROPERTY SURROUNDING OTHER RESIDENTIALLY ZONE PROPERTIES.
SO THERE ISN'T A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY BUFFER TRIGGERED BY ARTICLE 10.
UH, SO THIS WOULD, THIS COULDN'T REALLY BUILD OFF OF THAT REQUIRED BUFFER.
UM, BUT UH, IF THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR A 30 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UH, WHAT GOES IN THAT BUFFER? WE'LL NEED TO SPECIFY WHETHER THAT'S TREES, CERTAIN NUMBERS OF FEED OR SHRUBBERY OR OTHER PLANTS.
I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO BUFFER THESE RESIDENCES FROM CONSIDERING THAT THIS IS A MONASTERY, THE, THE SOUNDS OF, OF MEDITATION OR WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE FOLKS
UM, YOUR QUESTIONS MIGHT BEST BE SAVED FOR DISCUSSION ON A MOTION.
UM, THESE CONDITIONS ARE NOT PROPOSED BY STAFF.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY ABLE TO ANSWER A TON OF INFORMATION ABOUT THEM.
TRY WRITE MY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY OF ATTORNEY.
SINCE THESE ARE NOW SUP CONDITIONS, CAN WE ADD BACK IN THE SPEAKERS IT, IT STILL RAISES THE SAME FIRST AMENDMENT CONCERNS, SO NO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE GO? WE GET A MOTION.
UM, IF I MAY, MR. MOORE, WE ROUTINELY INCLUDE NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO SURROUNDING LAND USES.
SO COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY A, AS AN SUP CONDITION THAT SPEAKS TO COMPATIBILITY, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE AN APPROPRIATE CONDITION? BECAUSE IN MISUSE THE, THE USE IS A CHURCH WHICH WOULD TRIGGER THE RAN, UH, THE ARGUE LUPA, WHICH IS THE, UM, RELIGIOUS, RELIGIOUS LAND USE AND INSTITUTIONALIZED PERSONS ACT.
DANIEL, IF YOU EVER TAKE THE IP EXAM, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THIS.
SORRY, I'M GONNA BE THE ATTORNEY FOR A SECOND.
UM, SO AS DANIEL SAID, UM, YEAH, THERE CANNOT BE RESTRICTIONS ON NOISE OR LIGHTS WITH WHAT THIS USE SHOULD BE CALLED, WHICH IS PLACE OF WORSHIP.
UM, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PLACES OF WORSHIP THAT ARE NOT CALLED CHURCHES.
UM, SO I WOULD INVITE EVERYONE TO CONSIDER THAT.
UM, SOME OF THOSE RELIGIOUS USES, UH, DO INVOLVE, UM, THINGS THAT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS NOISY TO SURROUNDING HOMEOWNERS.
HOWEVER, THAT IS AN EXERCISE OF THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION UNDER THE RELIGIOUS LAND USE AND INSTITUTIONALIZED PERSONS ACTS.
SO IF THERE WAS CONSIDERATION OF NOT AFTER 10:00 PM IS THAT ANYTHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE? NO, BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF RELIGION AND WE CANNOT INFRINGE ON PEOPLE'S, UM, RIGHT TO PRAYER.
WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE FULL CONTEXT.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER AS THE INFAMOUS PK KID ON THE ROSTER.
UM, BUT COULD THAT BE OFFERED INDEED RESTRICTIONS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO? IT CANNOT BE A CONDITION ON THIS PROPERTY AT ALL THROUGH ANY TOOL THAT WE HAVE.
BUT COULD THAT BE A CALL FOR THE NIGHT AGAIN? NO, ALL OF THAT WOULD VIOLATE, UM, WHAT AMENDMENT IS THAT? FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
I JUST THINK THAT'S JUST NOTHING.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SHORTCUT IT.
WE CAN EITHER GRANT THE SUP AS LEGAL HAS ADVISED US OR NOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 2 84, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PUBLIC SUBJECT TO SITE PLANS AND CONDITION WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES THAT THE SUP CONDITIONS
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OFFER A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFERING RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY THAT INCLUDES TREES, SHRUBS, AND PLANTINGS.COMING AND ALL PARKING MUST BE CONTAINED ON PROPERTY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
FALSE TO RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO CYCLING CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE TWO, UH, ADJUSTMENTS IS READ INTO RECORD BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND PARKING.
ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER RUBIN, PLEASE.
YEAH, I AM JUST VERY UNEASY WITH REQUIRING A MONASTERY SO YOU CAN GET THREE YEAR SUP AS A RELIGIOUS, NOT-FOR-PROFIT LAND USE TO, UM, HAVE TO UNDERGO THE EXPENSE OF PUTTING IN A A 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL INTENTIONED, BUT I JUST CAN'T BALANCE THAT OUT IN THE END.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT THAT REMOVES THAT REQUIREMENT.
COMMISSIONER BLA, WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
UM, MAY I ADD THAT THE, THE REQUEST FOR A 30 FOOT BUFFER IS JUST A PERFUNCTORY UH, RECONDITION BECAUSE IT ALREADY EXISTS.
THERE'S NO CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S NEEDED, NEEDED TO BE DONE.
IT PROTECTS THE, THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY IN THE EVENT THEY DECIDE TO BUILD TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF THAT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY? WELL, IF THEY WERE TO DECIDE TO BUILD TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FOR A NEW SUP SITE PLAN.
I, I DON'T REALLY, WE CAN, DAN, I WILL ACCEPT YOUR FRIENDLY, YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT GREAT.
AND REMOVE THE 30 FOOT BUFFER.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I'LL JUST ADD THAT I AGREE WITH REMOVING THE BUFFER.
FOR ONE THING, I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD PROTECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, YES, THERE ARE EXISTING TREES AND SHRUBS BACK THERE, BUT BY THE WORDING OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, THEY COULD HAVE CUT ALL THAT DOWN.
BUT TWO TREES AND TWO SHRUBS, I MEAN, THE, THE WORD
SO I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE GOTTEN YOU WHERE YOU WERE GOING.
SO I AGREE
A MINIMUM OF TWO SHRUBS MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
SO WE GOT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? I THINK WE DID.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS.
SEE, NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BACK BREAK.
COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
I'M NOT, IT IS TWO 30 AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
[22. 24-431 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1495 for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern and a commercial amusement (inside) limited to a Class A dance hall on property zoned a CC Community Commercial Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the east corner of Al Lipscomb Way and Meadow Street.]
NUMBER 22.YOU WANNA GET THAT READ IN PLEASE.
ITEM 20 AGAIN, THIS IS WORKING.
ITEM 22, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 9.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 4 9 5 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT.
LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND A COMM COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONE.
A CC, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 9 5.
THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER OF VAL LUSCOMBE WAY AND MEADOW STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DON'T SEE ANY NOTES YET.
IT'S GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR A MOTION, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER WITHER
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PLEASE.IS THE APPLICANT NOT IN THE ROOM? NO ONE CAME FORWARD.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS UP ON ADVISEMENT.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR MOTION THEN.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR MOTION IN, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, IS THIS 22 2 2 2 3 3 0 9 OH, OKAY.
I'M, I'M, I'M THINKING THIS IS THE, UM, THIS, THE HOME OKAY IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 9.
I MOVE TO KEEP THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD, UM, THIS CASE UNTIL MARCH 7TH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
[23. 24-427 An application for a Planned Development Subdistrict for MF-3 Multiple Family Subdistrict uses on property zoned an MF-3 Multiple Family Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, with a D Liquor Control Overlay, on the north corner of Hood Street and Brown Street.]
UH, NUMBER 23.LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BATE.
Z 2 2 3 2 3 7 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT FOR MF THREE MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES ZONE IN MF THREE, MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D PLAYER CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH CORNER OF HOOD STREET AND BROWN STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
SUZANNE KEDRON, 2323 ROSS AVENUE.
I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY WITH OUR FULL TEAM.
WE HAVE EVAN BEATTY FROM GOOD FUL AND FARRELL, WHO YOU'LL HEAR FROM LATER.
HE'S THE PRINCIPAL ON THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE SARAH DODD FROM DODD COMMUNICATION.
WE HAVE WESTWOOD, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS, AND WE ALSO HAVE BIFF STURGIS FROM HAWKER.
UM, THIS PROJECT WE STARTED OVER A YEAR AGO.
WE STARTED WITH OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
UM, WE HAD OVER 150 ATTENDEES AT THE MANCHIN HOTEL FOR A MEETING.
UM, WE'VE MET WITH INDIVIDUALLY 17 HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION GROUPS THAT ENCOMPASSED ANOTHER 250, UH, HOMEOWNERS WITHIN THAT GROUP.
UM, AND WE ARE VERY PROUD OF OUR OAK LAWN SUPPORT, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR FROM LATER.
UM, THE PROJECT HAS A FEW PROJECT HIGHLIGHTS THAT I'M GONNA GET INTO VERY BRIEFLY BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO EVAN BEATTY, WHO WILL GET INTO MORE DETAIL.
UM, ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT PARTS OF THE PROJECT IS THE 104 UNIT CAP, UM, WE BELIEVE, AND IT DOES CAP THE DENSITY OF THE OVERALL NUMBER OF UNITS ON THE PROJECT, THUS LIMITING TRAFFIC AND SOME OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WERE RAISED AND VERY IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, WE DO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT AND WE ASK FOR YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT THE 81 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT INCOME BAND.
UM, WE HAVE FULL UNDERGROUND PARKING AND WE HAVE AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE WITH DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND NOW I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO EVAN AND HE'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DESIGN AESTHETIC FOR THE PROJECT.
HI, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, EVAN BEATTY WITH GFF ARCHITECTS, UH, ADDRESS 30 30 NASKI WAY.
UH, PLEASED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR DESIGNS FOR THIS PROJECT WITH YOU.
UH, THIS IS A PROJECT, UH, THAT'S DESIGNED WITH QUALITY BEING TOP OF MIND.
UH, WE HAVE BURIED ALL OF THE PARKING ON THE PROJECT AND FOCUSED ON ACTIVATING THE GROUND PLANE.
UH, WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE TO PARKWAY CONSISTENT WITH OAK LAWN COMMITTEE'S.
UH, DESIRES TO HAVE A VERY GREEN SITE WIDE SIDEWALKS ON ALL SIDES.
UH, WE'VE PLANNED CAREFULLY FOR VEHICULAR ACCESS AND LOADING ACCESS.
UH, SINCE THE PANDEMIC, WE'VE SEEN A TREND TOWARDS LARGE NUMBERS OF DELIVERY VEHICLES COMING TO MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.
UH, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE THAT, THAT, UH, DELIVERY TRAFFIC BE INTERNALIZED ON SITE.
SO, AS YOU'RE SEEING ON THE PLAN NOW, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE RUN AUTO TURN FOR SU 30 AND WB 30 TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO ENTER THE SITE AND MANEUVER.
ALL DELIVERIES WILL BE HANDLED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE WHERE WE HAVE A, A SLIP DRIVE CONNECTING THROUGH FROM HOOD STREET TO THE ALLEY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR SITE.
UH, WE HAVE TWO MEDIUM LOADING ZONES.
WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THERE FROM MOVE-INS AND FOR DROP-OFFS.
UH, THIS ENLARGED PLAN IS NOW ROTATED 90 DEGREES AND SHOWING YOU THE BELOW GRADE GARAGE ENTRANCE.
UH, ALL PARKING AGAIN BELOW GRADE TWO MOVE-IN SPACES ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
UH, REALLY CAREFUL THOUGHT TO HOW ARRIVALS WILL BE SEQUENCED AND, AND, UH, MOVING SPACES, VEHICLES WILL BE ABLE TO COME THROUGH.
WE'VE CHANGED THE, UH, RADIUS OF THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE ALLEY YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN HERE, UH, OUT OF A RESPONSE TO A SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN THAT AS MANY ON STREET PARALLEL SPACES AS POSSIBLE BE PRESERVED ALONG BROWN.
WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS WE WERE MEETING WITH THEM, THAT MANY
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OF THE PROJECTS AROUND US ONLY HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THEM.AND WHEN THEY HAVE DELIVERIES AND SERVICE PEOPLE COMING, THEY HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET.
SO, UH, THE VERY BROAD RADIUS YOU'RE SEEING COMING OUT OF THE ALLEY HERE IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERN THAT WE MAKE SURE THOSE TRUCKS COULD MANEUVER IN A WAY THAT THEY DON'T DESERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR EXISTING PD 1 93 MF THREE ZONING ALLOWS ANY LEGAL HEIGHT.
UH, AND WE ARE PROPOSING A TALL BUILDING HERE OF, OF 370 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UH, WE ARE PUTTING ALL OF THE PARKING BELOW GRADE.
UH, AND IF YOU WERE BUILDING BY RIGHT ON THIS SITE, ALL OF THE PARKING COULD BE ABOVE GRADE.
UH, AND SO ONE COULD HYPOTHESIZE THAT A PROJECT WITH ABOVE GRADE PARKING COULD TAKE UP A MASS THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND CREATE A LOT MORE INTENSITY OF USE ON THIS SITE THAN THIS THOUGHTFULLY DIVINE DESIGNED PROJECT WITH BELOW GRADE PARKING.
UH, AND, UM, A LOW NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, THAT WE THINK IS, UH, ALIGNED WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S VISION FOR QUALITY.
UH, AND, UM, AND LIMITING THE INTENSITY OF USES.
UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
SHOULD ALSO MENTION, UH, OUR CLIENT IS ALSO COMMITTED.
LUIS GONZALEZ IS ALSO COMMITTED TO SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES IN LINE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS'S CCAP RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WHICH HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCE.
WE WORKED HARD, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON ON THESE, UM, AND ARE COMMITTED TO HAVING THIS PROJECT IN ADDITION TO GEN GENERATING A LOW INTENSITY OF USE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO BEING A SUSTAINABLE PROJECT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM IN SUPPORT? YES, SIR.
THIS IS, MY NAME IS MIKE TURNER, 26 26 COLE AVENUE.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE AND THE APPLICANT MET WITH US TWICE LAST YEAR.
UH, THE COMMITTEE HAD PUT FORTH SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY'VE BEEN IN AGREEMENT, IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THEM, AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, SPEAKERS ONLINE.
COMMISSIONERS, LEMME GET TO THAT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN SCHADE AND COMMISSIONERS.
I RESIDE AT 32 10 CARLISLE STREET DALLAS.
I'M APPEARING HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE VINE CONDOMINIUM OWNERS ASSOCIATION TO OFFER OUR FULL, UNQUALIFIED AND ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT FOR VAL'S DEVELOPMENT CORPS 27 0 1 HOOD AT BROWN PROJECT.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S LAND USE PLANS AND POLICIES INTRODUCING DENSITY IN A THOUGHTFUL CENTRIC MANNER.
AS STAFF CORRECTLY NOTES IN THEIR REPORT, THE PUBLIC REALM WILL BE ENHANCED BY DESIGN STANDARDS THAT INCREASE TRANSPARENCY, ENSURE SAFE AND ACTIVATED SIDEWALKS, REDUCE DRIVEWAY SIZES AND REQUIRE BELOW GRADE PARKING.
AS STAFF ALSO CORRECTLY OBSERVES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, EVIDENCES A CHRONIC SHORTAGE OF LARGER HOMES WHICH SERVE TO DISCOURAGE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN FROM LOCATING.
HERE DISTASTEFULLY EXECUTED DEVELOPMENT PARKED AT 100% BELOW GRADE WILL BE DESIGNED TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A MORE ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE KATY TRAIL AND WALKABLE RETAIL STREETS, INCORPORATING SUSTAINABLE DESIGN FEATURES THAT MEET THE ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IN CA ADDITIONALLY, THE REQUEST COMPLIES WITH SUBSTANTIALLY ALL OF THE STATED OBJECTIVES OF THE OAK LAWN PLAN, AS WELL AS THE DESIGN AND PLACEMAKING OBJECTIVES OF THE 360 PLAN.
WE ARE PARTICULARLY IMPRESSED BY THE DEVELOPER'S DECISION TO WORK WITH GFF AND H TO OF DALLAS PREMIER ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS, RESULTING IN SUPERIOR TREATMENT OF THE GROUND PLANE, INCLUDING SPACE PROGRAMMING, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, AND TREATMENT OF THE STREET EDGE.
WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT PROVIDING INCREASED DENSITY IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WILL GENERATE ADDITIONAL DAYTIME FOOT TRAFFIC, WHICH WILL PROVIDE A MUCH NEEDED BOOST TO RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG OAKLAWN AVENUE DIVINE HOA FULLY SUPPORTS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, CONSIDERATION, AND SERVICE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN SUPPORT? SPEAKER'S IN OPPOSITION? ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
UH, DAVID YOST, 28 28 HOOD STREET RESIDENCE 7 0 6.
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BEEN LIVING THERE 19 YEARS.I ALSO AM THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE PLAZA TURTLE CREEK, HOA ASSOCIATION.
SO FORTUNATELY I'VE, I'VE BEEN A, THE PRESIDENT FOR THE PAST YEAR.
I DO RECALL BRIEFLY A HIGH LEVEL MEETING A YEAR AGO, BUT I UNFORTUNATELY HAVE NOT HAD ANY, UH, COMMUNICATION WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, UNTIL YESTERDAY.
I, SOMEONE DID REACH OUT TO ME TO, TO SEE IF WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, OUR, WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT 'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT ZONING IS A HIGH DENSITY MUL, UM, MULTIFAMILY ZONING.
AND SO OUR CONCERN IS, IS THAT ANY MAJOR CHANGES OR, UM, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THAT IS A CONCERN OF OURS.
YOU KNOW, THE SIZE AND MASSING OF THIS BUILDING IS, IS A CONCERN AND IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION.
IT IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF HOOD AND BROWN HOOD IS A TWO-WAY.
STREET BROWN IS A TWO-WAY STREET SERVICING NOW SEVERAL MULTI-FAMILY AND LOW, LOW RISE AND HIGH RISE BUILDINGS WITH LIMITED PARKING ON ONE SIDE.
AND, UH, ON BOTH HOOD AND, AND, UH, BROWN.
WE'VE SEEN TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST YEAR.
AND WITH THAT COMES SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE NO OVERALL PLAN TO ADDRESS THE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES, INCLUDING THE EXTREMELY HEAVY TRAFFIC, UH, DURING PEAK HOURS AND CHALLENGES TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, ALSO ALONG WITH THIS TREMENDOUS GROWTH, THERE'S STILL, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT CURRENT CONSTRUCTION IN PLACE.
THERE'S THE CRESCENT ESTATES CUSTOM HOMES AT, UM, IT'S A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AT THE INTERSECTION OF FAIRMONT AND HOOD.
AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER MID-RISE CONDO, UH, AT, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF RUTH AND, UH, HOOD STREET.
SO IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS ALREADY CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND CURRENTLY PLAN, UH, PLANNED, THIS PROPOSAL IS ANOTHER 104 UNITS APPROXIMATELY, I BELIEVE.
AND ACROSS THE STREET THE CANTERBURY IS ANOTHER 140 UNITS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A HIGH DENSITY AREA AND, AND SO OUR CONCERN IS THAT THIS PLAN JUST NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OUT A LITTLE MORE.
AND, UM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
MY NAME IS SUSAN BAKER MCCLENAGHAN.
I RESIDE AT 28 28 HOOD STREET, NUMBER 9 0 1, AND I LIVE AT THE PLAZA TURTLE CREEK.
UM, I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE REALLY ENHANCING THESE, THIS AREA.
AND I HAD THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AT THE MANSION IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.
LOTS OF TOPICS WERE, UM, BROUGHT UP AND CONCERNS, UM, WERE SHARED.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS PROMISED IN REFERENCE TO THE OVERALL HEIGHT, BECAUSE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS PRETTY, PRETTY TALL WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING IN THAT AREA, UM, IS TO SEE, UH, A FULL HEIGHT COLORED RENDERING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH INCLUDES THE PLAZA AND FORGIVE ME, BUT ALL OF THE RENDERINGS AND ALL THE INFORMATION I'VE SEEN, THE PLAZA IS NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE RENDERINGS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAD ASKED FOR THE SHUN SUN SHADE STUDY TO BE DONE SHOWING HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THE PLAZA TURTLE CREEK.
AND YES, THOSE STUDIES WERE DONE.
I SAW THAT IN THE DOCUMENTATION, BUT THE PLAZA ISN'T IN ANY OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.
SO, UM, AND THEN ALSO LASTLY, UM, TO FEED OFF OF THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA, I WISH I COULD SCOOP YOU ALL UP AND PUT YOU IN MY CAR AND DRIVE YOU DOWN HOOD STREET, UM, WHERE IT IS A LOT OF PARKING, ONE WAY PARKING AND YOU OFTENTIMES HAVE TO PULL OVER AND WAIT FOR CARS AND TRUCKS TO GET BY.
AND SO YES, CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA CAUSE A GREAT DEAL AROUND THAT AREA, BUT ONCE IT'S DONE, THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
SO I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON LOOKING AT THE ANALYSIS DOCUMENTS THAT WERE DONE, UM, FOR TRAFFIC AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ THAT, BUT I JUST KNOW FROM LIVING THERE WHAT WE EXPERIENCED TODAY.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, PER ALL RULES, WE DO HAVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL FOR THE APPLICANT.
JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THE POINTS THAT WERE RAISED.
AS I MENTIONED, WE DID START OUTREACH A YEAR AGO.
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THAT THE SECOND SPEAKER WAS ABLE TO AVAIL HERSELF OF THAT.UH, WE DO MADE SPECIAL OFFER TO THE PLAZA TO MEET WITH THEM AT LEAST TWICE IN WRITING.
AND AS EARLY AND AS RECENT AS YESTERDAY, I, WHEN I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS, WE WERE ON STANDBY WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
THEY HAD A BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT AND WE WERE ALL ON STANDBY READY TO ATTEND.
WE WEREN'T INVITED, BUT, UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEIR PREROGATIVE ON.
UM, AS FAR AS THE UNIT COUNTS, WE ARE CAPPING THE UNITS AT 104, WHICH IS A LOT LESS INTENSITY, WHICH I THINK GOES DIRECTLY TO SOME OF THEIR POINTS AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC AND INTENSITY IN THE AREA.
SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS ABOUT TWO THIRDS LESS UNITS THAN COULD BE DONE BY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO IN REGARDS TO THE HEIGHT, AS YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT BASE SUBDISTRICT PD ALLOWS UNLIMITED HEIGHT AND WE ARE CAPPING HEIGHT AT 370 UH, FEET.
SO I THINK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT AT THIS TIME WE ARE SEEKING, UM, YOUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
I'M HERE TO HAVE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER RUBEN, Y'ALL HAVE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE.
OH, I DIDN'T SEE YOU UP THERE.
STEVE STONER WESTWOOD, UH, SEVEN FIVE.
FIVE SEVEN RAMBLER ROAD, DALLAS.
UH, SO YOU'VE DONE A, I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT YOU'VE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY BASED ON THE 104 UNITS BEING ADDED.
UM, SO A TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT REQUIRED BY CITY UNDERSTOOD REPORT STANDARDS, BUT WE DID DO ONE, UH, INTERNALLY WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS NOT A NEED FOR ANY IMMEDIATE MITIGATION.
THE OPERATIONS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE OPERATED VERY WELL AND THE TRAFFIC FROM THE DEVELOPMENT HAD VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON THOSE.
AND THAT'S AT THE 1 0 4 U 104 UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
DID YOU LOOK AT, I THINK MS. KEDRON REFERENCED THAT BY RIDE ON THE SITE TODAY THERE COULD BE BUILT, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY TWICE, TWICE THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 300 UNITS THAT YOU'D LOOK AT.
WE DIDN'T DO A SEPARATE STUDY FOR THAT SCENARIO, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD GENERATE ABOUT THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THE 104 UNIT DEVELOPMENT WOULD.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T ANALYZED WHETHER GOING UP TO 300 WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE NEGATIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MS. RE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE VISITOR PARKING AVAILABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT? YES.
UM, ACTUALLY EVAN CAN EVEN ANSWER THAT BETTER 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THE INTERNAL DESIGNS AND LAYOUT OF THE PARKING, BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY VISITOR PARKING.
IS THE VISITOR PARKING UNDERGROUND AS WELL? THAT, THAT'S CORRECT.
OUR, OUR, WE WON'T GATE THE PARKING UNTIL YOU REACH A FULL LEVEL BELOW GRADE.
THERE'LL BE A POOL OF, UH, JUST OVER 40 SPACES ON THE FIRST LEVEL BELOW GRADE THAT'S OPEN FOR VISITORS.
I'M SORRY, UH, FOUR OVER 40 SPACES, 40 SPACES IN THE FIRST LEVEL BELOW GRADE THAT ARE VIS ACCESSIBLE.
QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU MR. BAY, WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE AT THE MICROPHONE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF WHAT WE DO ON THIS BODY IS WE STUDY THE DELTA BETWEEN WHAT YOU COULD DO BY RIGHT TODAY VERSUS WHAT THE ASK IS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE ONLY GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
SO YOU SPEAK REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY,
SO I'M, I'M HOPING YOU CAN WALK US THROUGH TWO ITEMS. SURE.
AND THAT IS THE, UH, THE DELTA FOR THE HEIGHT AND THE DENSITY.
WELL, THE REASON THAT A DELTA ON THE HEIGHT IS ANY LEGAL HEIGHTS ALLOWED BY RIGHT TODAY.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE ESTABLISHING A CAP AT 370 FEET WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD TALLER WITH FAA APPROVALS.
UH, WE DO HAVE AN FAA APPROVAL LEVEL LETTER FOR THE HEIGHT WE'RE REQUESTING AT 370 FEET.
UH, LUKE HAS A SLIDE OF SOME ANALYSIS THAT I WORKED ON, UH, AFTER HEARING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKED IN THE BRIEFING, UH, THAT ANALYZES THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COULD BE BUILT BY RIGHT ON THE SITE, UH, AND THE TYPE OF UNITS THOSE WOULD BE COMPARED TO, UH, WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
UH, AND THAT, THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW.
SO THIS WAS DONE, UH, HASTILY JUST THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, THEORETICALLY, UH, A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET PROFICIENCY UNIT IS THE REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR LAND AREA FOR THAT TYPE OF UNIT IN PD 1 93 MF THREE ZONING.
SO IF YOU WOULD DIVIDE A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET PER UNIT INTO OUR LAND AREA, YOU GET THE 324 UNITS THAT COULD BE DONE BY RIGHT.
OUR FLOOR AREA RATIO IS ALLOWED TODAY IS FOUR TO ONE.
UH, SO THAT FIRST BULLET POINT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS A FOUR TO ONE FAR TIMES THE SITE AREA YIELDING 129,700 AND SQUARE 40 SQUARE FEET OF CONDITIONED BUILDING AREA.
A, A BUILDING THAT HAS 324 UNITS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE NOMINALLY AROUND 8,000 SQUARE FEET OF AMENITY SPACE.
SO I WOULD SUBTRACT THAT OUT AND, UH, NET EVERYTHING DOWN BY AN 85% EFFICIENCY.
AND THAT WOULD TELL US THAT, UH, WE'D HAVE ABOUT 103,479 RENTABLE SQUARE FEET BY
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RIGHT ON THIS SITE.THAT WOULD TELL YOU YOU COULD BUY RIGHT.
BUILD ALL UNITS OF 323 SQUARE FEET AVERAGE SIZE ON THIS SITE.
THAT WOULD BE A VERY SMALL UNIT MIX FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER MARKETS FREQUENTLY, UH, IN A PROJECT IN DALLAS THAT'S NOT QUITE THIS SMALL, BUT HAS VERY SMALL UNIT MIXES.
THE IRBY TOWERS NOW TWO TOWERS JUST EAST OF THE VIRGIN HOTEL OFF OF HIGHLINE DRIVE, UH, WEST OF 35, RELATIVELY CLOSE BY OAK LAWN.
UM, THAT'S A BIGGER MIX THAN THIS, BUT IT, IT COULD BE DONE.
UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, IF YOU BUILT ALL OF THE PARKING ABOVE GRADE, THAT ABOVE GRADE PARKING WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST YOUR FLOOR AREA RATIO.
ONLY CONDITIONED BUILDING AREA COUNTS AGAINST THE FAR.
UH, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ALLOWED FOR A GARAGE ABOVE GRADE WOULD BE RELATIVELY SMALL.
SO WE'D HAVE SOMEWHAT INEFFICIENT GARAGE, UH, 324 PARKING SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED IF WE HAD ALL IN EFFICIENCY UNITS PLUS A QUARTER SPACE PER UNIT FOR GUESTS.
SO WE'D NEED 405 TOTAL PARKING SPACES AT A 500 SQUARE FEET PER SPACE RATIO.
AND AN INEFFICIENT GARAGE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD YIELD ABOUT 202,500 SQUARE FEET OF PARKING ABOVE GRADE ADD 202,000 SQUARE FEET OF PARKING AT GR GRADE TO 129,740 OF CONDITIONED AREA.
AND YOU GET A BUILDING MASS OF NOMINALLY ABOUT 331,740 SQUARE FEET ABOVE GRADE.
THAT'S A STRUCTURAL AREA COMBINING PARKING AND CONDITIONED BUILDING AREA.
SO OUR REQUEST FOR NOMINALLY 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF STRUCTURAL FLOOR AREA ABOVE GRADE, UH, IS LESS THAN WHAT COULD BE DONE BY RIGHT TODAY IF ABOVE GRADE PARKING WAS PROVIDED, UH, WENT THROUGH THAT PRETTY FAST, WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER OTHER QUESTIONS.
BUT, UM, WE, WE, WE THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS FAVORABLE THAN WHAT WHAT COULD BE DONE BY.
QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
IF YOU PUT THE PARKING ABOVE GRADE FOR YOUR BY RIGHT UNITS, HOW MANY FLOORS OF ABOVE GRADE PARKING WOULD THAT BE? I, I HAVEN'T DONE A, THE STUDY OF THE ACTUAL FLOOR LAYOUT SPACES PER FLOOR.
MY ESTIMATE WOULD BE FIF 12 OR 15, WHICH WOULD BE A LOT.
BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN DALLAS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITH 12 AND 15 FOOT, 12 TO 13 LEVEL GARAGES.
THE LINK, UH, IN UPTOWN AS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT'S GOT THE GARAGE IS TALLER THAN THE OCCUPIED OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT GREAT FOR NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN IT HAPPENS.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. BAILEY, IF YOU COULD, UH, UH, THIS IS REALLY JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO MR. HALL'S QUESTION EARLIER.
I I THINK YOU SAID YOU HAD 40 UNASSIGNED VISITOR PARKING SPACES, OR IS THAT 40 SPACES THAT'LL BE USED FOR VISITORS, EMPLOYEES, AND OTHER VARIOUS INCIDENT PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE SITE? YEAH, E EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDING WILL BE ABLE TO PARK BELOW THE GATE.
WE'LL BE KEEPING THOSE, THOSE SPACES IN THE FIRST LEVEL BELOW THE GROUND AVAILABLE FOR VISITORS.
SERVICE PROVIDERS, IF YOU HAVE A MAID COMING TO SERVICE YOUR UNIT, THEY'LL PARK DOWN THERE.
SO IT'LL, IT'LL BE UNASSIGNED AND UNRESTRICTED AND AVAILABLE FOR, FOR THAT KIND OF USE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE THOUGHT THAT THROUGH AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE PROVIDED THAT THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE INSISTS THAT WE DO.
OH, WELL, HOW ABOUT THAT OAK LAWN COMMITTEE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, ANYBODY CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION PROBABLY, BUT, UH, WANTED TO, UM, LADIES IN OPPOSITION MENTIONED THE SUNSET AND, UM, THAT RULE.
AND I ALSO NOTICED THAT THERE'S A RESIDENCE, UH, SMALLER DENSITY NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY AND INCLUDED IN THAT, HAS ANY OF THAT BEEN CONSIDERED? WE'VE RESPECTED THE 50 FOOT RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT TRULY CALLED RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.
WITHIN PD 1 93, THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER, UH, THAT WHERE WE'VE RESPECTED THAT BEFORE GOING UP 370 FEET IN HEIGHT ALONG THE ALLEY SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE WHERE WE HAVE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, SO WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED THAT CAREFULLY.
UH, WE ALSO DID DO A SUN STUDY, UH, FOR THE, THE, THE BUILDINGS WITHIN IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY OF OUR SITE.
AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR OAK LAWN COMMITTEE PRESENTATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER? SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
HAVE YOU ALL DONE A, UM, CONSTRUCTION PLAN? CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT? YES, WE DID.
AND, UH, LOOKED AT THE, THE CONSTRUCTION SPATIAL REQUIREMENTS.
WE CONSULTED WITH JE DUNN ON THAT, AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR OK LAWN COMMITTEE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
AND, UH, DISTRIBUTED TO MANY NEIGHBORS THAT WERE VERY INTERESTED IN HOW WE WOULD STAGE CONSTRUCTION AROUND THE SITE.
UM, OUR BELOW GRADE GARAGE WILL BECOME USABLE FOR, UH, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, UH, ONCE WE GET ABOVE THE GROUND.
UH, AND SO, UH, THAT'S A PRETTY LARGE POOL OF PARKING THAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS.
AND, UH, WHEN WE'RE IN THAT BELOW GRADE GARAGE EXCAVATION AND CONCRETE FRAMING COMING UP, UH, THE POPULATION OF WORKERS ON SITE
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IS MUCH LOWER THAN IT IS LATER ON IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING ON BUILDING SKIN MATERIALS AND DOING FINISHES INSIDE THE BUILDING.SO, UH, WE'VE GOT A PLAN FOR OFFSITE PARKING AND, AND, UM, VAN SHUTTLING IN FOR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS IN THOSE EARLY PHASES, UH, TO AVOID DISRUPTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT'S GONNA BE TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE'VE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THEM AND GIVING THEM THE CELL PHONE NUMBER OF THE PROJECT SUPERINTENDENT, UH, SO THAT IF THERE ARE ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'LL HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO THE, THE CONTRACTOR FOR ANY ISSUES.
ONE FOLLOW UP FOR YOU, AS, AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID BEFORE IN ENGLISH, SO ONE OF THE LITTLE COURTS OF PD 1 93 IS THAT IF YOU HAVE THE HEIGHT, IT ALMOST INCENTIVIZE ABOVE GROUND PARKING.
WELL, UM, YES, IT, WHEN YOU HAVE ANY LEGAL HEIGHT, IT'S TYPICALLY MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TO PROVIDE PARKING ABOVE GRADE.
UH, PARKING ABOVE GRADE IS TYPICALLY GONNA COST ABOUT HALF OF WHAT PARKING BELOW GRADE COSTS.
SO, UH, REQUIRES A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT TO BURY THAT PARKING.
UH, BUT THE RESULTS ARE A MUCH MORE APPEALING STREET SCAPE AROUND THE BUILDING SITE.
UH, AND, UM, THE BELOW GRADE PARKING ALSO AT, WE THINK IS A, A MORE ENHANCED EXPERIENCE FOR THE USERS, UH, COMPARED TO GOING UP AT A LARGE ABOVE GRADE GARAGE.
SO, UH, IN THIS CASE, IN IN CERTAINLY WORKING WITH THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE WHERE BELOW GRADE PARKING'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM.
THAT WAS A, A GUIDING PRINCIPLE.
WE WOULD PUT ALL THE PARKING BELOW GRADE FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE AND, UH, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN IT COMES TO QUALITY AND PROJECTS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
COMMISSIONER, WE THERE, BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME SPACES ON TOP RIGHT? IS THAT IS FOR THOSE WHO ARE DROPPING OFF FOOD SUCH AS IF PEOPLE THAT'S PULLING IN FOR, UM, UBER EATS OR THOSE DELIVERY SERVICES, YOU DO HAVE THAT, THOSE SPOTS AND HOW MANY IN THOSE SPOTS? AGAIN, THAT'S CORRECT.
ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE, WE HAVE TWO MEDIUM LOADING SPACES.
THOSE SPACES ARE INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE AMAZON AND FEDEX AND UPS TRUCKS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING FOR DELIVERIES.
UH, AND THEN, UH, UBER EATS AND, AND, UH, THOSE KIND OF DELIVERIES WILL ALSO HAPPEN OFF THAT SIDE DRIVEWAY UP FRONT, WE HAVE A DESIGNATED PLACE FOR UBER AND LYFT, LYFT DROP-OFFS OF PEOPLE, UH, AT THE, AT THE LOBBY ENTRANCE.
WE'VE ALSO PLANNED FOR A REAR ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING, UH, FOR, UH, THOSE FOOD DELIVERIES TO HAPPEN SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE BRINGING FOOD INTO THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT COMING RIGHT THROUGH THE LOBBY.
UH, THEY'RE DEALING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS ALLOWS FOR A MORE ENHANCED EXPERIENCE FOR RESIDENTS.
UM, BRIEFLY, CAN SOMEONE SPEAK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY? I HEARD IT MENTIONED SHORTLY, JUST WANTED TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE TIERS OF THE AFFORDABILITY.
WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS 5% AT 81 TO A HUNDRED, I THINK THAT GIVES A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD THAT IT COULD BE PLACED IN THE BUILDING.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A FEE IN LIE OPTION, AND IF YOU CALCULATE THE FUNDS FOR THAT UNDER TODAY'S DOLLARS, IT'S $2.645 MILLION.
THAT FIGURE THAT IT ESCALATES EVERY YEAR.
I BELIEVE THE NUMBERS ARE COMING OUT NEXT WEEK, UH, AND THE CODE SAYS IT CAN'T GO DOWN FROM THAT FIGURE.
SO YOU'RE AT LEAST GUARANTEED IF WE DO PAY THE, UH, MIXED INCOME FEE, IT WOULD BE 2.645 MILLION.
I WAS SO IN HOPES THAT THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS, SO THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU WOULD EVEN THAT, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE GONNA CONSIDER HAVING THAT 5% INSTEAD OF PAYING THE IN LIE FEE? BECAUSE IN THAT AREA, THERE IS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO THAT ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT SOUTH OF 30.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT FEE WILL ONLY FEED SOUTH 30.
THE CURRENT POLICY, THE CITY EITHER ALLOWS FOR THE UNITS TO BE PLACED IN THE BUILDING OR IT DOES PROVIDE THE FEE AND LIE OPTION.
AND ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE FEE AND LIE OPTION IS THEY'RE AVAILABLE, IT'S AVAILABLE TO LEVERAGE ADDITIONAL UNITS.
SO IT IS THE OPTION, AND THAT'S A CURRENT CITY POLICY, AND WE'RE PREPARED TO FOLLOW THAT.
YOU DO KNOW THAT, THAT IN A LOT OF, UH, CITIES ARE VACATING THAT BECAUSE THAT, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ENDING UP IN THE SAME AREAS THAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS IN AND IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THERE IS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WAS GONNA HOPE FOR THIS PROJECT AS I WAS THE LAST ONE UNTIL I HEARD THIS IN THIS, IN LOOF, A WAY TO PRESENT IT TO THE BODY.
I DO KNOW THAT THE ENTIRE CITY HAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE, CONCERN ISSUE.
SO IT'S NOT A, FOR US IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, THAT IS NOT A, UM, THAT IS NOT A GOOD, WE, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A GREAT CHOICE.
SO YOU ARE SO 5% OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE ENLO FEE DOESN'T SOUND GREAT TO US.
IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, WE WANNA LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT
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COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE EXCUSE ME.MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT AT THE, AT THE BRIEFING STAFF POINTED OUT THEY WERE RECOMMENDING 10%, UH, A TOTAL OF 15% AFFORDABILITY, 10% AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, AND 5% AT THE 81 100.
UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, DO, DO YOU MIND IF WE WAIT FOR THE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF TILL WE GET, GO TO SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION FIRST? OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
YEAH, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE STAFF.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HALL.
UH, WHERE'S STAFF? MR. I, I, I'M OVER HERE.
I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR, OH, THERE YOU GO, MR. PEP.
THE SOUND COMES FROM EVERYWHERE.
I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL VERSUS WHAT THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING AND WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE SOLUTION TO THAT, THAT DIFFERENCE? YES.
NO, SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS 10% AT 61 TO 80 MFI AND 5% AT 81 TO 100 AM FI.
UM, THE IMPETUS BEHIND THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S THE CLOSEST ANALOG WE HAVE TO THE BASE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUSES IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL A TYPE TWO BONUS BECAUSE IT IS A SPECIFICALLY, UM, SET BASE, FAR AND A SPECIFICALLY SET BONUS.
UH, F-A-R-F-A-R IS JUST THE STANDARD WHERE BONUSING IN THIS SITUATION.
UM, SO THE NUMBERS CAN, CAN BE A BIT ARBITRARY AT TIMES.
UM, HOWEVER, THE GOAL OF STAFF AND, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT OF THE, THE ORDINANCE IS AT LEAST APPROXIMATING WHAT WAS PASSED IN THE ORIGINAL M-I-H-D-B ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS INTENDED TO BE, UM, USABLE IN A, IN A REAL WORLD SCENARIO.
SO WE USE, BECAUSE THE BASE CODE FMF THREE DOESN'T HAVE AN FAR, UH, LIMITATION.
WE USED MU, EXCUSE ME, MU THREE AS THE CLOSEST APPROXIMATION.
UM, IT'S NOT A ONE FOR ONE, BUT MU THREE ALLOWS A 3% FAR BONUS IF YOU PROVIDE THE 10 AND THE FIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR MVA, WHICH IS A D, UM, WHICH THEY'RE REQUESTING A BONUS FROM FOUR TO NINE.
SO THAT'S 5.26 ADDITIONAL FAR WE WE'RE APPROXIMATING BY THE CLOSEST ONE, UH, BEING THE MU THREE BONUS.
SO THAT'S WHAT LED US TO THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE 10 AND FIVE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A ONE FOR ONE WITH CODE, BUT IT'S CLOSER, UM, TO WHAT THE BASE CODE WOULD, WOULD ASK FOR IN A BONUS SITUATION, UH, THAN THE APPLICANT REQUEST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23? I'M SORRY, YES.
DASH 2 3 7 A MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND STAFF'S.
AND THE, WITH REGARD TO THE TWO, UM, DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE APPLICATION, I'M SORRY, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND STATUTE OF RECOMMENDATION.
I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND THOSE WOULD BE ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING UNITS AND THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PERCENTAGE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER TREADWAY FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TREADWAY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE APPLICANT'S, UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS AND THEIR, UM, COMMUNICATION WITH ME AND THE APPLICANT TO GET THIS TO THE FINISH LINE.
AS USUAL, THE PROJECTS IN THIS PART OF TOWN ARE VERY COMPLE COMPLEX AND HAVE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND HAVE A LOT OF, UM, EYES ON THEM.
UM, WE HAVE, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH ON THIS PROJECT.
I PERSONALLY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OPPOSITION, UH, COMMUNICATION, ALTHOUGH I DID SEE THAT THERE ARE
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A FEW OPPOSITIONAL, UM, BALLOTS IN THE PACKET.AND, UH, OF COURSE I HEARD FROM SOME OF YOU TODAY.
UM, BUT THIS WAS PRESENTED AT OAKLAWN COMMITTEE MORE THAN ONCE.
THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM RESPONDED TO CHANGES THAT OAKLAWN COMMITTEE REQUESTED, AND IT DOES HAVE THE SUPPORT OF OAKLAWN COMMITTEE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT, AT, AT ONE OF THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE MEETINGS, A DIFFERENT PROJECT IN THE SAME AREA, LIKE TWO BLOCKS AWAY WAS PRESENTED AND THAT DEVELOPER REFUSED TO PUT THE PARKING BELOW GRADE AND THAT DEVELOPER ULTIMATELY DID NOT GET OAK LAWN COMMITTEE SUPPORT.
AND SO I THINK THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT AND WHAT IT WILL ULTIMATELY MEAN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS RESPONDED TO, UM, WHETHER IT BE HOW DELIVERIES ARE MADE, HOW WE USE LANDSCAPING AS A BUFFER TO PROTECT PEDESTRIANS, UM, HOW THEY'RE ORGANIZING UTILITIES ON THIS, UH, THAT RESPONDS TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS.
AND, AND I'LL ALSO SAY THAT, UM, THE COMM, THE CITY HAS RECENTLY DEVELOPED A NEW CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY HAS SOME TEETH IN IT SO THAT ONCE THEY FILE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO WITH THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, IF THEY'RE VARYING FROM THAT, AND IT GETS REPORTED THAT THE CITY WILL NOW HAVE A MECHANISM FOR ACTUALLY ENFORCING IT, WHICH IS NEW.
UM, AND WHEN THAT GETS PASSED BY COUNCIL, UH, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO BE SOON, I'LL GET IT TO THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE.
UM, AND WHILE THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A ZONING CHANGE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LOT'S CURRENTLY VACANT AND IT'S GONNA GET REDEVELOPED.
SO, UM, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE HEARD IS PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T WANT CONSTRUCTION AND DON'T WANT REDEVELOPMENT, AND THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC.
IT'S GONNA GET REDEVELOPED AND IT'S GONNA GET REDEVELOPED WITH DENSITY.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED MF THREE, WHICH MEANS IT DOESN'T HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION.
AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN FAR, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEING OFFERED BY THIS DEVELOPER IS WORTH THE INCREASE IN FAR ONE.
WE ARE IN HOUSING SHORTAGE AND WE'RE GETTING A HUNDRED HOUSING UNITS, AND IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE GETTING A HUNDRED HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE DESIGNED FOR FAMILIES.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOUSING UNITS THAT GET BUILT IN THIS PART OF THE CITY ARE ONE BEDROOMS OR EFFICIENCIES, MAYBE A THIRD OF THEM ARE TWO BEDROOMS. WE RARELY GET THE SIZE OF UNITS THAT THIS BUILDING WILL BE FULL OF.
AND FOR THE DIVERSITY OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY IN THIS PART OF THE CITY, WE NEED THESE TYPE OF UNITS.
AND REGARDING THE, THE MIH, UH, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MULTIPLE TIMES HERE.
I GET STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, UH, FRANKLY, I, I EXPECT THE DEVELOPER TO PAY THE FEE.
I, I WISH THEY WOULD PUT THE UNITS IN THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THE FEE IS WHERE IT'S SET, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT DEVELOPERS IN THIS PART OF TOWN WILL EVER PUT THE UNITS IN THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S JUST A POLICY DECISION THAT'S OVER MY PAY GRADE.
UM, BUT I SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO DO 81 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE IT'S THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY GET UNITS IN THE BUILDING.
AND IF WE WERE TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S JUST ZERO CHANCE THAT THEY'LL EVER BE PUT IN THE BUILDING.
UM, THE THINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT I THINK MAKE THE FAR WORTH IT, IT'S INCREDIBLE DESIGN.
IT'S GOT BUILDING ARTICULATION, THE SETBACK, THE THE HEIGHT STARTS, UM, NOT AT THE GROUND PLANE, BUT SET BACK FROM THE GROUND PLANE.
IT'S GOT GOOD GROUND FLOOR ENGAGEMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED AD NAUSEUM ABOUT THE PARKING BEING BURIED.
IT'S GOT VERY THOUGHTFUL DELIVERY AND MOVE IN AND VISITOR, UM, TREATMENT.
AND IT MEETS A LOT OF THE DEMANDS OF OUR CA AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, ALMOST EVERY PROJECT COMING THROUGH D 14 NOW HAS A SOLAR COMPONENT AND THIS ONE HAS A SOLAR COMPONENT.
UM, AND IT HAS WATER RECAPTURE SO THAT THEY WILL RECAPTURE THEIR WATER AND USE IT AS THEIR GRAY WATER.
IT'S GOT TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MICRO MOBILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, ONE BIKE PARK SPOT FOR EVERY, UM, THREE BIKE OR THREE UNITS WITH MICRO MOBILITY CHARGING, BOTH AVAILABLE AT THE AT GRADE FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, THEY HAVE ADOPTED THE HABITAT GARDEN STANDARD, WHICH, UM,
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REQUIRES THEM TO USE NATIVE OR ADAPTIVE PLANTS TO NORTH TEXAS THAT ARE WATER WISE, THAT ARE, UM, POLLINATOR FRIENDLY WITH POLLINATOR, UH, MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS.AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF SUSTAINABILITY, WE'RE BUILDING THE PROJECTS THAT THE CITY REALLY OUGHT TO BE REQUIRING EVERYWHERE.
AND SO WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE PACKAGE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO LIVE THROUGH.
NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION, BUT WHAT IT BRINGS TO THE CITY IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAY THAT WE WANT.
AND SO I SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND I HOPE THE REST OF YOU WILL JOIN ME.
THERE IS A, A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
AND MY, MY HAT'S OFF TO, UM, THE DESIGN TEAM AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR VERY HARD WORK HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE UNDERGROUND PARKING, THE SUSTAINABLE, YOU KNOW, ATTRIBUTES THAT, THAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS THOUGHT SO LONG AND HARD ABOUT HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THEM INTO OUR URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
UM, SO THERE, THERE IS A LOT TO LIKE, BUT THERE IS ONE PART OF THIS, UM, APPLICATION THAT I'M REALLY HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH, AND THAT IS THE UNIT CAP OF 104 UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
IN MY VIEW, THIS IS EFFECTIVELY A DOWN ZONING IN, UP, DOWN.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GIVING THEM AN INCREASE IN FAR, BUT WE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY, UM, DECREASING THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CAN BE BUILT, UM, ON THIS PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF A HOUSING SHORTAGE.
IF YOU DID 600 SQUARE FOOT UNITS, YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO 172 UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU DID 800 SQUARE FOOT, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 1 29 OR ONE 30.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT COULD BUILD EXACTLY THIS PROJECT WITH 104 UNITS, UM, AS THEY PROPOSED WITHOUT ACTUALLY INCLUDING A UNIT CAP IN THE PD AMENDMENT ITSELF.
UM, AND I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE REALLY BEING SORT OF, IN MY VIEW, COMPLICIT IN WHAT I SEE AS A DOWN ZONING IN ONE OF OUR MOST THRIVING, UM, URBAN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I ALSO THINK THAT CAPPING THE NUMBER OF UNITS AT 104, UM, ESSENTIALLY ONLY FURTHER GUARANTEES THAT THESE UNITS, UM, ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD BE PROVIDED THROUGH FEE AND LIE OFFSITE AS OPPOSED TO ONSITE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I HOPE THIS PROJECT DOES SUCCEED, BUT IF IT DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER THAT CAME ALONG AND WANTED TO BUILD ON THE SITE WOULD ALSO BE HANDCUFFED BY THE 104 UNIT CAP.
SO I AM REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE, UM, BUT I JUST, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH WHAT I SEE ESSENTIALLY AS A DOWN ZONING, UM, IN, IN UPTOWN.
THE LAST THING THAT I'LL SAY IS I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
WE HEARD MR. STONER SAY THAT, THAT HE DID HIS PROFESSIONAL ANALYSIS AND ENGINEER IN THE SITE COULD EASILY, UM, ACCOMMODATE 104 UNITS WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC UNITS.
AND WE HAVEN'T STUDIED IT BEYOND THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A REASONABLE CHANCE IF, IF, YOU KNOW, 130 UNITS OR 170 UNITS WENT ON THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD EQUALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE VERY, YOU KNOW, NOT A SUPER SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACT.
AND WE DO LIVE IN THE NINTH LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY AND, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH TRAFFIC IS PART OF WHAT WE, WE, YOU KNOW, SIGN UP TO DEAL WITH WHEN WE DO, YOU KNOW, ARE LOOKING TO LIVE IN A, A THRIVING CITY.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF I'M GOING TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT, UM, STRIPPING THAT 104 UNIT CAP, BUT I AM DEFINITELY THINKING ABOUT IT.
I ACTUALLY TOOK REMEDIAL MATH, BUT I CAN USE A CALCULATOR AND UM, 5% OF 1 0 4 IS 5.2 APARTMENTS.
YOU PUT, I THINK YOU PUT A ZERO INSTEAD IN FRONT OF THE FIVES WHEN YOU'RE CALCULATING THAT.
AND SO IT IS 5.2 APARTMENTS AND THESE ARE FAMILY STRUCTURED APARTMENTS.
I GET ALL HYPED FOR THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS.
YOU NOT USING THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE AND INCLUDING UBER, INCLUDING WALKABILITY, ALL THOSE THINGS.
I GET EXCITED, RIGHT? I EVEN GOT EXCITED BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR IN LIE BEFORE IT WAS ASKED, BUT THEN I HEARD THE WORD IN LIEU AND WHAT WE KNOW IS DEVELOPERS
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IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA ARE USING IT LIE, AND IT SOUNDS NICE AND PRETTY, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS I DON'T WANT ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.I JUST DON'T WANT, I WANT A MIX INCOME.
BUT WE ALSO WANT A MIXED INCOME IN AN AREA THAT WAS INTIMATE DOMAINED AWAY FROM PEOPLE OF COLOR.
DO WE EVER GET A CHANCE TO LIVE BACK HERE? I SAID FIVE UNITS, NOT A HUNDRED.
WE JUST HAD A 600 UNIT, SAME AREA IN LU, JUST FIVE UNITS THAT CAN, WE GET TWO AND A HALF UNITS.
THAT'S SOME FAMILIES THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW TECH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKING CLASS FAMILIES MAY BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SCARES SOME PEOPLE, BUT WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, YOUR PEOPLE, THE, THE, THE, YOUR NURSES, YOUR TEACHERS, YOUR FIREMEN, YOUR POLICE OFFICERS WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN AREAS THAT LIKE THIS.
SO THE FIVE POINT SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS SOUNDS ALL NICE OR WHATEVER I'M SAYING CAN WHY WE CAN'T GET FIVE UNITS.
'CAUSE THE LOW FEE IS GONNA GET PAID AND IT CAUSES ROOM FOR CONCERN BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS AMAZING.
IT GIVES SOME FAMILIES, NOT JUST, MY BROTHER LIVES IN UPTOWN AND YOU KNOW, HE DON'T LIKE KIDS, BUT YOU KNOW, HE HAD MELE SISTERS, SO I GET THAT
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT IT OUT OF 104 UNITS, UH, I I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FLOORS IT IS, IT'S MAYBE ONE TWO PER FLOOR.
WHO IS GONNA KNOW? BUT WE KNOW THAT YOU ALL KEEP MAKING PEOPLE, THE DEVELOPERS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA KEEP MAKING IT SOUND GOOD FOR THE IN LIE FEE, THE CITY OF DALLAS, THAT TOOL IS BEING USED AND IT'S MOSTLY BEING USED IN THIS AREA.
I'VE NOT HEARD IT NOWHERE ELSE.
AND IT WAS ADOPTED IN DECEMBER OF 2022.
AND THE BOTH TIMES, THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IN LIE, IT WAS IN THIS AREA.
THE SECOND TIME I HEARD IN LIE IT WAS IN THIS AREA.
THAT'S WHAT IT ADDS UP TO, RIGHT? REMEMBER WHEN YOU GO TO THE, THE, THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE, YOUR NURSE, WHEN YOU CALL THE POLICE, THE POLICE COME OUT.
WE WANT THEM TO LIVE IN THESE AREAS.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, MUCH OF THE SAME SENTIMENT ON THE AFFORDABILITY AND, UM, THE LACK OF AFFORDABILITY AROUND THE CITY.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT THE EQUITY THAT'S NEEDED.
I THINK THIS IS A STRONG PROJECT FOR IT.
UM, BEFORE I START FUSSING, I DO WANT TO COMMEND THIS TEAM.
UM, I'M BEGGING FOR PRESENTATIONS LIKE THIS FOR MULTIFAMILY THAT'S BEING STUFFED DOWN MY PEOPLE'S THROAT.
IF THE PRESENTATION WITH THIS PRETTY, THEY'LL PROBABLY ACCEPT IT MORE, RIGHT? SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING YOUR TIME AND THE DESIGN AND EXPLANATION OF THIS PROJECT.
AND IF ANYONE'S LISTENING, PLEASE TAKE HEED.
WE WANT THIS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THE AFFORDABILITY FACTOR IS VERY ESSENTIAL TO ME BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I WORK AT CITY HALL AND I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN IF I COULD WITH MY SON AS A SINGLE FATHER.
UM, AND I, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, UNDER THESE CONDITIONS.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT SHE WAS SPOT ON BY SAYING THAT THIS IS A HOUSING TYPE THAT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS, UH, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR ONE BEDROOMS. I SEE THIS AS A GAINED, UM, FOR HOUSING CHOICE.
I THINK WE'RE ALSO SETTING A VERY BAD PRECEDENT IF WE'RE EXPECTING EVERY DEVELOPER THAT COMES IN HERE, UH, THAT THEY SINGLE HANDEDLY HAVE TO MEET THE ONE BEDROOM HOUSING SHORTAGE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A BAD MESSAGE TO BE SENDING TO DEVELOPERS THAT THEY HAVE TO F FIT INTO A COOKIE CUTTER, UH, UM, DEVELOPMENT TYPE.
UH, SO I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S COMMENTS HERE ABOUT THIS BEING AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME HOUSING DIVERSITY.
COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, PLEASE, SIR.
I, I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO ADD A COMMENT IN SUPPORT OF COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND COMMISSIONER TURNER'S COMMENTS.
THE, UM, I, I LIVE IN THE UPTOWN AREA.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY, BUT SO MANY OF THE UNITS THAT ARE BUILT IN UPTOWN ARE IN THAT 800 TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT RANGE.
IT'S JUST COVERED WITH THEM AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY INEXPENSIVE AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY AFFORDABLE, BUT THEY'RE SMALL AND THEY SERVE A PURPOSE.
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FEW OF THE KIND OF UNIT THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY NICE ADD TO THE MIX.IT DOESN'T SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT NO PROJECT'S GONNA DO THAT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY THOUGHT IT OUT VERY WELL.
AND HAVING SOME LARGER UNITS THAT WILL BRING IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC THAN HAS BEEN CATERED TO LATELY, I THINK, I THINK WILL BE A REAL PLUS FOR THIS AREA.
SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
TAKE ROUND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
I JUST WANNA ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE PUT THE CAP AT 1 0 4, UM, FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE, TO INCENTIVIZE THE LARGER FAMILY STYLE BUILDING AND, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, A BUILDING FULL OF UNITS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO ATTRACT FAMILIES CREATES SOME SYNERGIES THAT FAMILIES WANT TO COME LIVE IN.
YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF LIVING BEING THE ONLY FAMILY IN A BUILDING WITH A BUNCH OF SINGLE PEOPLE, THEY'LL HAVE RESOURCES AND POOL RESOURCES BY BEING ABLE TO LIVE WITH OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE IN A SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, LIFE SITUATION.
AND IT'S ALSO A VERY TIGHT SITE AND IT'S IN A VERY TIGHT AREA.
AND SO PART OF THIS EXCHANGE WAS A DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ABOUT PARKING.
AND BY HAVING A SMALLER UNIT MIX, YOU KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S ALSO WHY, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE GO WITH THE APPLICANT'S MINIMUM TWO SPOTS PER UNIT, WHICH IS PROBABLY LESS THAN YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ANYWAY.
BUT NUMBER ONE, IF THIS BUILDING EVER DOES GET REPURPOSED, YOU'VE GOT THE PARKING YOU NEED.
AND NUMBER TWO, WE'RE NOT GUARANTEEING OURSELVES A RECIPE FOR PARKING TO BE ALL OVER THE STREET OR INADEQUATELY PARKED BUILDING.
UM, I, I SHARE EVERYBODY'S FRUSTRATION WITH THE FACT THAT NO, NO PROJECT IN UPTOWN HAS INCLUDED A SINGLE AFFORDABLE UNIT SINCE THE FAMILY WAS PASSED.
NOT ONE, EVEN A PROJECT THAT ORIGINALLY COMMITTED TO DO 'EM BY THE TIME THEY WENT THROUGH AND GOT PERMITTING, THE FEE IN LIEU WAS AN OPTION.
AND SO THEY CALLED ME AND SAID, HOW MAD ARE YOU GONNA BE IF WE DO THE FEE IN LIE, IT'S THE POLICY OF THE CITY AND IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY OR OUR OPTION TO CHANGE THAT POLICY.
OR I WOULD, I'D RAISE THE FA AND LOSE.
SO IT WAS A, A, A MUCH TIGHTER DECISION IN THIS INCOME CATEGORY, BUT IT'S NOT OUR DECISION.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH IS A CHOICE OF DO WE APPROVE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW WILL PAY A FEE AND LIE OR DO WE NOT APPROVE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT INCLUDING AFFORDABLE UNITS? WELL, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THEM, THEN ALL WE'RE DOING IS EXACERBATING THE HOUSING CRISIS WE ALREADY KNOW WE HAVE, WHICH, WHAT DOES, WHAT INCREASES THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS? SO WHILE WE MAY NOT LIKE THE CHOICES, WE HAVE, THE, THE CHOICE OF NOT APPROVING IT ONLY MAKES OUR SITUATION WORSE.
AND TO THE POINT THAT ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOES IN SOUTH DALLAS, WE, WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DECREE.
I'M, I'M A I KNOW YOU DIE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME WE, OUR HISTORY, BUT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS IN DISTRICT SIX AND IN DISTRICT 10 WHERE THE CITY IS STARTING TO USE THESE AFFORDABLE DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING GENERATED OUTTA DISTRICT 14 TO DO TRUE MIXED INCOME WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT WE NEED.
AND THEY ARE IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE MEDICAL AREA UP BY FOREST OR THE DESIGN DISTRICT.
AND THOSE ARE THE DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO START TO MAKE.
AND THESE FEES IN LIEU START TO ADD UP AND ALLOW US TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS.
SO IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT VOTING FOR IT, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND COMMISSIONER RUBEN SITTING AROUND, SIR.
YEAH, WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE FEE AND LIE IS WORKING TODAY.
SO THIS MAY BE A, A MIXED COMMENT SLASH QUESTION.
I IMAGINE THAT OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, PROBABLY DON'T SPEND THEIR, THEIR VALUABLE TIME WATCHING TOO MANY CPC MEETINGS.
ARE WE ABLE TO, AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY OF ATTORNEY, WERE WE ABLE TO, UM,
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DO SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF A RESOLUTION, UM, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING OBSERVATIONS ABOUT HOW WE SEE THE FEE IN LIEU VERSUS ONSITE PROVISION BEING PROVIDED TO, TO RAISE THOSE ISSUES WITH, WITH COUNSEL, SINCE WE DON'T TOUCH CHAPTER 20 A HERE AT CPC COMMISSIONER RUBIN, I WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.I, I, AS YOU RIGHTFULLY NOTED, CHAPTER 20 A IS BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF CPC, BUT A RESOLUTION JUST INFORMING COUNSEL OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO.
AND I WOULD NEED TO RESEARCH IT.
I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE, THAT POSSIBILITY.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, RIGHT? I, LET ME SAY I AM NOT IN THIS SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AND ONLY BECAUSE IT PROVIDES FAMILY HOUSING.
UM, AGAIN, I TOLD YOU THIS PROJECT IS THE LAST PROJECT THAT DID IT.
IT WAS SUCH AMAZING, I WAS AT HOME JUMPING AND THEN I GOOGLED IN P AND LOU AND I CALLED MY COUNCIL MEMBER AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PROJECT.
KUDOS TO NOT YOU, YOU ALL DID A PROJECT WHERE YOU DIDN'T TRY TO GO TO THE MAX, RIGHT? ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GREAT.
IT'S JUST THAT THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND, AND IT'S HOOD COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S POINT, UM, THE CITY CHOOSING FOREST
UH, SO THAT PROJECT IS JUST BEING PLACED IN ANOTHER PART OF THE AREA THAT'S, SORRY, DISENFRANCHISED.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LOOK IF YOU ALL IN ANY WAY GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARDS.
I I I, I BEG OF YOU, FIVE UNITS SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE.
TWO AND A HALF, RIGHT? A THREE BEDROOM AND A TWO BEDROOM, I DON'T KNOW, MAKE SPLIT FIVE.
THAT'S FIVE UNITS, TWO FAMILIES THAT'S WORKING.
CLASS NURSES ARE CRYING AND SAYING THEY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD NO MORE.
I DON'T WANT A POLICE OFFICER WHO IS STRESSED OUT ABOUT PAYING RENT SOMEWHERE OR FIREMEN.
I DON'T WANT, I WANT THEM TO BE HAPPY AND AFFORDABILITY.
SO IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT AND COULD RECONSIDER THOSE FIVE UNITS RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD UNDERSTAND FIVE UNITS.
JUST I JUST NEED TWO AND A HALF.
UH, COMMISSIONER WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
[24. 24-422 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1532 for convalescent and nursing homes, hospice care, and related institutions on property zoned a CC Community Commercial Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the north corner of Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard and South Malcom X Boulevard.]
MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 24.ITEM 24 KC 2 23 DASH THREE 30.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1532 FOR CONVALESCENT AND NURSING HOMES, HOSPICE CARE AND RELATED INSTITUTIONS ON PROPERTY ZONED A CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95.
THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
BOULEVARD AND SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 24, PAGE NINE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SEEING YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
SO NO ONE IS, NO ONE IS HERE ON THE BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA MOVE TO MOVE, HOLD THIS CASE.
YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? WE'RE READY FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 DASH 3 3 0.
I MOVE TO KEEP THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
OPEN AND TO, UM, MOVE THIS, UH, UNTIL MARCH 7TH.
COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISE.
WE KEEP IT THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL MARCH 7TH.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT IS BACK IN THE CHAMBER.
[25. 24-425 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2367 for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a microbrewery, microdistillery, or winery on property zoned Subarea 4 within Planned Development District No. 316, the Jefferson Area Special Purpose District, on the south side of Sunset Avenue, between South Bishop Avenue and South Madison Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a two-year period, subject to an amended site plan and staff’s recommended amended conditions.]
GOOD AFTERNOON.THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 25, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 3
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IN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 3 6 7 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A MICRO BREWERY, MICRO DISTILLERY, OR A WINERY ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FOUR, WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 6, THE JEFFERSON AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SUNSET AVENUE BETWEEN SOUTH BISHOP AVENUE AND SOUTH MADISON AVENUE.RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED AMENDED CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS CASE NUMBER 25 Z 2 34 1 0 3, PAGE 10.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER SHORNER, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? MOTION I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 0 3 LC.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, UH, FIVE YEAR PERIOD INSTEAD OF A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHEHAR FOR YOUR MOTION.
SUBJECT TO THE AMENDED SITE PLAN, COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, BUT FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION? FIVE, FIVE YEAR PERIOD? YES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, COMMISSIONER, LET'S GO BACK TO, UH, THE CASE THAT WE TABLED.
I'VE BEEN ASKED TO READ IT ONCE, PLEASE.
LET'S GET THAT BACK IN THE RECORD, SIR.
[18. 24-432 An application for 1) a Specific Use Permit for a motor vehicle fueling station; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less on property zoned Subdistrict 5 within Planned Development District No. 533, the C.F. Hawn Special Purpose District No. 1, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the southwest corner of Elam Road and C.F. Hawn Freeway. ( Part 2 of 2 )]
THIS IS Z 2 2 3 1 1 2.AND ONCE AGAIN, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A, FOR ONE, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB-DISTRICT FIVE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 3 3, THE CF HAN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT NUMBER ONE WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ELAM ROAD AND CF HAN FREEWAY.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, SO, UM, WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE? WE'RE READY MR. RAM.
THERE WERE MAYBE SOME TECHNICAL THINGS THAT I HAD HOPED ORIGINALLY TO CLARIFY ON THE RECORD, BUT WE DIDN'T GET TO IT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO TACKLE IT NOW.
SO THERE WAS QUESTION OF WHETHER FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT STANDPOINT, IF WE CAN REMEDY THE LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS.
AND SO, UM, BASICALLY WHEN WE HAVE AN SUP, IF WE PROPOSE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, IT CAN STAND IN PLACE OF, OF THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BASED ON THE RECORD.
UH, WHETHER THAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG IS ANOTHER ISSUE.
BUT FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, CAN IT REMEDY, UH, THE LACK OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER? YES, IT CAN.
SO IF WE APPROVE, UM, FOR INSTANCE A CONDITION IN THE SUP THAT SAYS LANDSCAPING MUST BE PROVIDED PER THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN, THEN LANDSCAPING WILL BE PROVIDED, UM, PER THAT PLAN AND IT WILL, UM, IT WILL ABSOLVE THEM OF THE NEED FOR THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
SO THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A, A STICKING POINT.
I THINK THAT WAS A UNCLEAR EARLIER, BUT I'M HAPPY TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT THE PROVIDING THE PLAN CAN STAND IN PLACE OF MEETING THE CONDITION.
UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.
AND IF I HAVE SECONDS, I HAVE COMMENTS IN THE MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 1 12.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, BUT TO APPROVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE, LANDSCAPING MUST BE PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLA FOR YOUR, WAS THAT ALSO SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN? ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN?
COMMISSIONER BLED FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FALL STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER APPROVE THE MATTER FOR A THREE YEAR SGP WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS
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AS WELL AS THE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, RECOMMENDATION IN REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING AND THE SITE PLAN.CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? YES, PLEASE.
I, I THINK I HEARD THAT WAS SUBJECT TO A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THERE IS ACTUALLY ONE IN THE DOCKET.
OH, IS THERE ONE? OH, THERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I THINK I GOT, WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IS THAT CONDITION IN THE SUP CONDITIONS JUST YET.
THAT KIND OF CONNECTS THE TWO, BUT, SO WE HAVE A SEPARATE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S NOT JUST THE SITE PLAN THAT HAS SOME LANDSCAPING DETAILS ON IT.
YEAH, IF YOU GO AND THAT'S NEW.
I I KNOW IF YOU HAD, UH, REVIEWED THE DOCKET FOR THIS TWO, THREE MEETINGS BACK.
THIS VERSION OF THE DOCKET HAS A SITE PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND IT'S BEST TO KEEP THOSE SEPARATE.
AND CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE DEFICIENCIES ARE IN THE BUFFER? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A 15 FOOT BUFFER REQUIRED ON THE FREEWAY AND 10 FEET ON ELAM.
IS IT GOING TO BE FOUR FEET ON EACH OF THOSE? RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
IS COMMISSIONER HOUSER PLEASE? IS IT TIME FOR COMMENTS OR IT IS, YES.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE DILEMMA THE APPLICANT IS IN.
HOWEVER, UH, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UM, THERE'S JUST TOO MANY COMPROMISES ON THIS CASE.
IT'S SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE.
UM, IT VIOLATES BASIC TRAFFIC SAFETY, UM, STANDARDS.
UH, WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE ON LANDSCAPE.
I'M NOT SURE I'M CONVINCED THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING.
UH, THERE'S OTHER GAS AND CONVENIENCE STORES IN THE AREA.
UM, AND UH, IT'S JUST NOT A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, IN PARTICULAR DESERVES BETTER QUALITY AS WELL AS THE CITY.
SO I, I'M, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER BLAIR FIRST.
UM, IN REGARDS TO, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, HOUSE RIGHTS COMMENTS, I UNDERSTAND, AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE I ACCEPT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS THAT THIS APPLICANT WAS ASKED TO TEAR DOWN A BUILDING THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS MANY ITERATIONS.
IF THEY HAD DONE, WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY WANTED TO DO WAS TO REPURPOSE AN EXISTING BUILDING.
AND IF THEY HAD REPURPOSED THE EXISTING BUILDING, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE LOST THEIR EGRESS AND INGRESS NO MATTER WHAT, HOW SHORT IT WAS.
BECAUSE IF IT HAD BEEN, IT WAS DONE AT A TIME WHERE THAT WAS A STANDARD THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE AS THINGS CHANGED AND THAT THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES OR THIS THEY HAVE BEEN IN, IN PLACE FOR DECADES AND DECADES, HOW MANY DECADES ARE YOU AND DECADES? UH, UM, SO I, I THINK THAT THERE IS A TRAP THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT FELL IN THAT IS PUNISHING THEM FOR NOT KNOWING, NOT TO CLO NOT TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING, BUT TO GET A, A, A ARCHITECT LIKE YOURSELF AND REDESIGN AND REBUILD, LEAVING THE SHELL UP.
I LEARNED THAT THE HARD WAY WITH A CASE THAT I JUST DID AT APOLLO HOTEL.
THAT APPLICANT HAD THE TOOLS TO KNOW NOT TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING BECAUSE IF HE HAD A TORE DOWN THE BUILDING, HE WOULD'VE LOST HIS EGRESS AND INGRESS.
AND I JUST THINK THAT, AS YOU GUYS HAVE ALL SAID THIS DAY THAT WE MAKE DALLAS TOO HARD TO DO BUSINESS WITH.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A A PRIME EXAMPLE WHERE WE MADE DALLAS TOO HARD TO DO BUSINESS WITH.
IF THIS IS WHAT THIS, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN HERE FOR THREE TIMES.
AND IF THIS ACQUIESCE ACQUIESCING TO, UM, OR COMING TO A, UM, UM, A MEDIATION WHERE NOBODY'S WINNING 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT DEF THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT WINNING.
THEY'RE LOSING, UM, GAS PUMP THAT THEY HAD BEFORE.
THEY'RE LOSING INCOME OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE THEY TORE DOWN THEIR BUILDING.
I JUST THINK THAT AS ALL OF YOU GUYS, I'VE LISTENED TO YOU GUYS TELL, SAY, ALL DAY LONG TO STOP MAKING DALLAS A DIFFICULT PLACE TO STOP MAKING CPC THE HARD PLACE TO BE.
THIS IS AN AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE SAID, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO STOP DOING.
I'M GONNA LISTEN TO YOU GUYS AND STOP DOING IT.
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I, I WANNA KNOW, SAY FIRST I, I'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE, NOT ONLY BECAUSE, UM, I'VE SAW THIS HAPPEN BEFORE MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE THE CITY OF DALLAS SAYS IT'S JUST BETTER TO TEAR DOWN A PROPERTY AND NOT GIVE THEM THE PROPER, UM, ZONING.I ADVOCATED MY NEIGHBORHOOD REGULARLY.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW I EVEN GOT TO CPC FOR BEING THE BEING THERE FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND AND GOING OUT AND LEARNING.
UM, AND I'M 47, I STARTED LEARNING THIS ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO.
UM, AND I FOUGHT FOR THIS APPLE BECAUSE I WAS A, I WAS A TEENAGER LIVING IN OCA WHO DID NOT DRIVE, GO WALK TO THE CLOSEST CONVENIENCE STORE BECAUSE OF DRUG ACTIVITY AND CRIMINAL ASPECTS AND PEOPLE GETTING KILLED AT THE CLOSEST CONVENIENCE STORE WITHOUT A GAS STATION THAT I WALKED DOWN THAT CORRIDOR TO THIS PARTICULAR GAS STATION AND, AND WALKED IN AS A TEENAGER.
AND AT 6, 15, 16, 17 YEARS OLD, MY MOTHER WOULD RATHER APPROVE ME TO GO THERE THAN TO GO WHERE I WOULD GET SHOT AND KILLED.
AND THIS IS DOCUMENTED THAT THESE PLACES HAD, THAT THERE IS A BRAND NEW GAS STATION IN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT DO NOT EVEN PUT OUT THEIR CUPS.
AND THERE'S DRUG ACTIVITIES, BRAND NEW, NICE, GLAMOROUS BIG AT THE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
PEOPLE CANNOT DO BUSINESS THERE.
I, I'M A, I'M A SECOND INTO BEING A CPC, I'M A VIOLENCE INTERRUPTER.
AND WE, THAT'S ONE OF OUR TARGETED AREAS, THIS GAS STATION.
I UNDERSTAND IF WE LOOK AT IT FROM A DESIGN ASPECT, BUT I CAN'T NEVER REMEMBER SOMEONE HAVING A WRECK COMING OUT THAT GAS STATION.
I NEVER REMEMBER IT BEING OVERCROWDED WHERE PARKING WASN'T.
I NEVER REMEMBER THOSE THINGS.
BUT WHAT I DO REMEMBER, IT WAS THE SAFEST PLACE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR US TO JUST GO GET WHERE THERE WASN'T A GROCERY STORE THAT I CAN WALK DOWN.
AND SO TO KNOW THAT THESE ARE JUST REGULAR EVERYDAY PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESS WHO WANTED TO UPGRADE THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE TOLD TO DO AND THEN THEY LOST THEIR GRANDFATHER CLAUSE.
'CAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
THEY DIDN'T NEED US BEFORE THE SEA SAID IT WOULD BE BETTER TO TEAR DOWN.
THEIR BUILDING WASN'T CRUMBLING.
THEY WANTED TO UPGRADE A BUILDING AND THEY WERE TOLD IT'S BETTER TO TEAR DOWN SOMEONE THAT, AND IT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO I, I'M, I'M VERY MUCH, UM, I AM HAPPY FOR THIS DAY BECAUSE THESE ARE THE, THEIR EVERYDAY PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE FINANCING PROBABLY CAN GO IN BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE WE HELD THIS CASE SO LONG.
THIS IS NOT, IT WAS SOMEBODY NEW.
PROBABLY WOULDN'T FEEL THE SAME WAY.
THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT HAD CONSISTENTLY HAD A BUSINESS IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I CAN, I COULD HAVE GOT YOU STORIES.
I WENT AND TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE WAS THREE STEPS IN APARTMENTS THERE.
THEY WOULD RATHER WALK THERE THAN WALK TO THE BRAND NEW GAS STATION WITH THE GOLDEN CHICK AND THE DRUGS AND THE VIOLENCE AND THE PROSTITUTION THAT'S GOING ON IN FRONT OF THE BRAND NEW GAS STATION, THE NICE GLAMOROUS ONE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO COMMISSIONER CHAIR, WERE YOU IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION? I'M IN SUPPORT.
MOTION THAT PASSES WITH ALL MOTION.
SECOND IT MOTION PASSES WITH ONE IN OPPOSITION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT COMMISSIONERS.
THAT TAKES US TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET POWERING THROUGH COMMISSIONERS.
UH, ITEM 26 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 0 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
WHAT, WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT? I'M SORRY.
UM, ITEM 27 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 1.
AN APPLICATION TO REFLECT 0.688 ACRE.
THAT IS 30,000 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 40 IN CITY BLOCK TWO OVER 8 0 1 6 TO CREATE TWO 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT EACH ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON
24 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JANUARY 12TH, 2024.
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WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND GENERAL REPLYING OPPOSITIONS TO THIS REQUEST.STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDIT AND LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED IN THE HEARING.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE
[27. 24-408 An application to replat a 0.688-acre (30,000-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lot 40 in City Block 2/8016 to create two 15,000-square foot lot each on property located on Wisteria Street, west of Knoxville Street.]
ON CASES 27 AND 28.27 AND 28 WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT.
WE'LL TAKE ON 27 FIRST AND YES.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON S 2 3 4 0 4 1? THIS CASE 27 COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEM NUMBER 27? UH, 26 WAS, WAS WITHDRAWN.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? MM-HMM,
TWO FOUR DASH 4 0 8 0 4 1 2 3 4 0 4 1.
UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, I'LL SECOND THAT.
THANK IS THAT SUBJECT THE COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET? IT IS.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[28. 24-409 An application to replat a 7.109-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 6, 7, 8 and 9 in City Block A/6671 and part of City Block 6670 to create 27 lots ranging in size from 7,506 square feet to 9,332 square feet on property located between Rhoda Lane and Elam Road, east of St. Augustine Drive. Owner: Dallas Area Habitat for Humanity, Inc.]
28 S 2 34 DASH 0 4 3.AN APPLICATION TO REPL, A 7.109 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS, 6, 7, 8, AND NINE IN CITY BLOCK.
A OVER 6, 6 71 AND PART OF THE CITY BLOCK.
6, 6, 7 0 TO CREATE 27 LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 7,506 SQUARE FEET TO 9,332 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN RDA LANE AND ELAM ROAD EAST OF SAN ST.
20 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JANUARY 12TH, 2024.
WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLYING OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND ARE AS AMENDED IN THE AT THE HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? IS THAT BETTER? GOOD AFTERNOON.
JAVIER JARAMILLO WITH PGE, THE APPLICANT, 700 NORTH PEARL STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? YEAH, MARK BROWN WITH, UH, DALLAS AREA HABITAT.
ALSO THE APPLICANT, UH, 2,800 NORTH HAMPTON ROAD HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE PROJECT.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
A MATTER OF S 2 34 0 4 3 I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
SO DID COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER, UM, BLAIR, FOR YOUR SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? SAY NONE.
[29. 24-410 An application to replat a 0.387-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 3 in City Block 1/6414 to remove the existing 40-foot platted building line on the south line of Cobblestone Drive and to extend the platted building line on west line of Heather Lane to the property line on the south side of Cobblestone Drive and to create one lot on property located on Cobblestone Drive at Heather Lane, southwest corner.]
S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 2 AND APPLICATION TO REPLY, 0.387 ACRE TRACKER LAND CONTINUING ALL PLOT THREE IN CITY BLOCK ONE OVER 6 4 1 4 TO REMOVE THE EXISTING 40 FOOT PLAID BUILDING LINE ON SOUTH SOUTH LINE OF COBBLES STONE DRIVE.AND TO EXTEND THE PLAID BUILDING LINE ON WEST LINE OF HEADER LANE TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE COBBLESTONE DRIVE AND TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON COBBLESTONE DRIVE AT HEATHER LANE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
18 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OVER, OVER US WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JANUARY 12TH, 2024.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND SEVEN REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
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WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO ADDITIONAL REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION BOUNDARIES.THIS REQUEST REQUIRES TWO MOTION BECAUSE IT IS TO REPLAN AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE.
THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY REMOVING THE EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COSTONE DRIVE AND TO EXTEND THE PLAID BUILDING LINE ON WEST LINE OF HEADLAND TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COBBLESTONE DRIVE.
AND SECOND MOTION IS TO APPRO, APPROVE OR DENY THE PLA STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON BUILDING LINE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDED SOME RELA APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR.
I HOPE TO LIVE AT TEN FOUR THIRTY ONE.
UM, HEATHER AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM COMM? YES MA'AM.
SPEAKER'S IN OPPOSITION PLEASE.
MY NAME IS CATHERINE MOORE AND I RESIDE AT 37 60 MEADOWDALE LANE IN DALLAS.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, YES, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE, UM, FOR THE ZONING OF THE R 16 A, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE THOSE RULES FOR THOSE REASONS AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD ALLOW THEM TO TAKE A 40 FOOT SETBACK AND MOVE IT 30 FEET AND JUST LEAVE 10 FEET FROM THE ROAD IF YOU WANNA HAVE A ZERO LOT LINE OR 10 FEET AWAY.
I THINK THOSE DEVELOPERS SHOULD GO TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE IT'S ACCEPTED LIKE PARK CITIES OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT ON HERE IT SAYS THE APPLICATION IS JAMES AND THERESA RIVERA WHO WERE THE PREVIOUS OWNERS.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE BG FOUR CONSTRUCTION.
THEY WERE, UM, GOT THE DEED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023 AND THEY APPLIED FOR A DEMOLITION IN OCTOBER 23.
SO, UM, I'M A LITTLE LEERY OF THEIR ACTUAL WANTING TO LIVE IN THE AREA AND NOT ALL THE NEIGHBORS WERE NOTIFIED.
THERE ARE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAVE A PRIVATE DEC A SO THEY WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THIS EITHER.
SO I'M JUST HERE IN OPPOSITION FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
I HAVE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 30 YEARS MYSELF AND WE LIKE THE TREES AND THE, UM, NATURE AND WE HAVE COYOTES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S A GREAT WALKABLE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE, WE LIKE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO EACH OTHER AND NOT LOOK IN OUR NEIGHBOR'S WINDOW AND SEE THEM HAVING THEIR BREAKFAST.
UH, THE APPLICANT GETS A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
SO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT THE PROJECT'S GONNA BE, EVERY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS 20 FOOT SETBACKS.
THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A, UH, STREET COBBLESTONE TO THE RIGHT OF THIS.
IT'S KIND OF A CORNER LOT AND IT WAS IN 1954.
THE 40 FOOT THERE, THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT OF COBBLESTONE IS 10 FOOT.
THE NO TREES ARE GOING ANYWHERE.
THESE ARE 80, 90-YEAR-OLD, OLD, UH, OAK TREES.
THEY'RE ALL STAYING, UM, NOTHING'S LEAVING.
SO WE'RE NOT TAKING NATURE OUT, NOT DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WE'VE LEFT A BIG MAGNOLIA TREE.
SO, UM, AND UH, MY BUILDER IS RIGHT HERE IN THE GC IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
IF, IF YOU COULD NOT HEAR YES, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I THINK THAT IT WASN'T QUITE CLEAR ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
SO IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THERE'S 20 FOOT SETBACKS.
THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF IT, THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET THAT JUST WENT ON THE MARKET THAT'S UP FOR SALE HAS A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
EVERY HOUSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS 20 FOOT SETBACKS.
JUST THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS HOME IS 40.
EVERYTHING IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, PROBABLY WHERE SHE LIVES AS WELL IS, IS 20 FOOT.
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AND MY BUILDER CAN ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.I MEAN, IF, IF WE NEED, IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
GARY ARNESON, UH, 6,900 LARAMIE DRIVE, PLANO, TEXAS.
UM, THE FRONT SETBACK IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE IS THE SIDE STREET SETBACK FROM 40 TO 20.
THE ADJACENT HOUSE, SAME CORNER CORNER LOT HAS WHAT WE'RE WANTING ALREADY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY, OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS PLATTED LIKE IT WAS DECADES AGO.
UM, UM, SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A ZERO LOT LIGHT LOT LINE.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR 10 FEET AS THE OPPOSITION STATES.
WE'RE JUST WANTING THE 20 FEET SIDE SETBACK.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE DOWN ANY TREES.
THERE'S NO TREES BEING TAKEN DOWN ON THE LOT AND THERE'S I THINK EIGHT TREES ON THE LOT RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.
AND I'M GONNA RELY ON YOU GUYS TO TELL ME IF I'M
UH, DO YOU PROPOSE TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING HOME AND BUILD A NEW ONE? I DO, YES, SIR.
AND YOU ALREADY HAVE PLANS FOR THE THE NEW HOME? YES SIR.
COMMISSIONER HALL, THE, THE, WHAT THEY, THE STRUCTURE THAT THEY INTEND TO BUILD IS NOT RELATED TO THE PLAT.
THE QUESTION FOR THE BODY IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PLAT CONFORMS WITH, IF THE, WHETHER OR NOT THE PLAT CONFORMS WITH ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER TWO 12 OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
THE QUESTIONS FOR THE BUILDING LINE HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, GIMME ONE SECOND TO GET THE EXACT LANGUAGE, BUT THE STRUCTURE THAT IS ON THE LOT AND WHAT WILL BE ON THE, THE LOT, THE NEW STRUCTURE ISN'T SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE BODY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAYBE UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE PUSHBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND BUILD SOMETHING.
YEAH, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU SIR.
SO TO PULL THE VEIL BACK A LITTLE BIT HERE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO VISIT THE SITE.
THE, THE ONLY INFORMATION WE'RE ALLOWED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE DOCKET THAT'S EMAILED OUT AND THAT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION.
SO I HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE STREET.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME HERE.
ALL I HAVE IS A, IS JUST THE PICTURE THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUBLISHED.
I'M TRYING TO CONNECT WITH WHAT YOU WERE STATING BEFORE.
SO I'M ON, UH, I'M ON HEATHER LANE.
SO TEN FOUR THIRTY ONE HEATHER LANE MOVES NORTH SOUTH.
IF YOU GO TO COVA ZONE AND HEATHER THE CORNER RIGHT THERE.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT YOU STATED IS THAT THE, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK ON HEATHER LANE WILL STAY THE SAME AND WILL ALIGN WITH ALL THE, ALL THE HOMES SOUTH.
AND WHAT I HEARD YOUR BUILDER SAY IS THAT THE, UH, YOU ON A CORNER AND SO DOES COBBLESTONE DEAD END THERE TO THE WEST.
THERE'S NOTHING PAST IT BEHIND IT.
NOTHING BEHIND THE, AND WHAT YOUR BUILDER SAID, AND I'M MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ON THAT SIDE SETBACK IS TO MIRROR WHAT? THE HOUSE TO THE NORTH OF YOU ACROSS COBBLESTONE HAS THE NORTH, WAS THAT WHAT YOU STATED SIR? SOUTH THE EAST.
I MEAN, EVERY, EVERY HOME IN THERE IS 20 FOOT.
BUT EVERYTHING IN THERE IS 20 ON ON THIS PARTICULAR.
AGAIN, I, I HAVE A 30,000 FOOT PICTURE HERE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THAT I JUST WANNA MATCH WHAT THE WHAT THE WHAT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR ACROSS THE STREET.
DOWN THE STREET AROUND THE CORNER.
SO THAT'S, IT'S A CORRECT STATEMENT THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID, RIGHT? I I FORGOT YOUR, YOUR NAME SIR.
SO LET, LET ME REPHRASE HIS COMMENTS.
THE CORNER LOTS ALREADY HAVE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR A SIDE BUILD LINE CHANGE.
THE HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET DON'T HAVE A SIDE BUILDING LINE.
SO OBVIOUSLY OURS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S A CORNER LOT AND YES.
THE ONE TO THE NORTH HAS ALREADY HAS WHAT WE WANT.
I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY THEN.
AND I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT 'CAUSE I HAVE THE SAME STRUGGLE.
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REMOVE THE BUILDING LINE OR REVISE THE BUILDING LINE TO 20 FEET.RIGHT NOW THE SIDE BUILD LINE IS 40 AND WE ARE WANTING IT TO BE 20 AND THEN MAINTAINING THE MAINTAIN EXISTING 40 FOOT LINE ON HEATHER LANE.
THE VERBIAGE HERE OF EXTENDING THE FRONT IS ONLY TO MEET, TO LENGTHEN IT LENGTH, LENGTHEN THE FRONT, BUT NOT MOVE IT FORWARD OR BACKWARD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HATH THAT'S IT.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE A FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 40 FEET ON BOTH SIDES AND YOU WANT TO YES.
CREATE A SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE NORTHERN PIECE? 100%.
AND I'LL ADD THAT IT, AND IT ALREADY ABIDES BY ALL THE ZONING, UH, WHAT WE'RE WANTING ALL ALREADY ABIDES BY THE ZONING.
THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE 40 FOOT PLA BUILDING LINE, NOT TO REVISE IT.
AND I, THIS IS, UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
THE REQUEST AS IT STATED, AND THAT'S WHAT IT DOES STATE IN OUR DOCKET, REMOVE THE EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ON THE SOUTH LINE OF COBBLESTONE DRIVE AND THEN EXTEND HEATHER LANE.
SO WHAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN OUR DOCKET.
THERE IS NO 20 FOOT PLAD BUILDING LINE TO REPLACE THE 40 FOOT PLAD BUILDING LINE.
AND SO IN THAT CASE, IF, IF THIS WAS APPROVED AS POSTED ON OUR DOCKET, IT WOULD REMOVE THE 40 FOOT LINE AND THEN IT WOULD SIMPLY BE PER 16 A, WHICH SETS THE 10 FOOT SETBACK SIDE YARD SETBACK LINE, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN, UH, 29 A OF OUR DOCKET.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING THAT, THAT MIGHT HELP THE OPPOSITION TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO USE THE 10 FOOT ZONING? WE'RE WANTING THE 20 FOOT, I THINK 10 FOOT WAS MENTIONED, SO THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.
IT IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO 10 FOOT, WE WANT 20.
I I THINK EVERYONE'S GONNA ASK MR. BBAR THE EXACT SAME QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOU WANNA
I KNOW WE ALL HAVE THE SAME QUESTION FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HERBERT, ANY QUESTION? UH, NOT I'M CONFUSED.
Y'ALL GO FIRST WE'LL DEAL WITH STAFF HONESTLY BECAUSE OH NO, I GOT IT.
UM, SO YOU MENTIONED EARLIER SOMEBODY SAID THEY WEREN'T SURE WHY THESE LINES WERE PLOTTED IN MY VISION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN SOMEONE WALKS OFF THE FRONT PORCH AND LOOK LEFT AND RIGHT, THEY WANT TO SEE A NEIGHBOR ON THEIR FRONT PORCH.
WILL YOUR DESIGN INCLUDE THAT OR INCORPORATE THAT? YES.
SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE FRONT SETBACK.
IT'S THAT SIDE AND THERE'S ON COBBLESTONE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOBODY ON COBBLESTONE.
THAT FACES, SO YES, THAT UNDERSTOOD.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COS OKAY.
QUESTIONS FOR MS. MOORE IN OPPOSITION.
MS. MOORE, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU IF I MAY.
SO YOU LIVE IN THE AREA, YOU'VE PROBABLY GOT A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAN US LOOKING AT AN AERIAL MAP, BUT I THINK DID YOU FOLLOW YEAH.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS BEFORE US TODAY IS THAT THE 40 FOOT ON HEATHER LANE WILL REMAIN AT IN WHAT'S BEFORE US.
AND THEN WHAT IS, I THINK WE'RE HEARING WHAT IS PLANNED VERSUS WHAT'S IN OUR DOCKET WOULD ONLY REMOVE CO OR NOT YES.
SO HEATHER LANE WOULD REMAIN CONSISTENT.
IS THAT WHAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING WAS? THAT IS NOT WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY WANTED TO REMOVE THE 40 FOOT, UM, WHAT'S IN PLACE NOW BUILDING.
AND WHERE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS UP TODAY.
AND THEY WANTED TO MOVE THE 40 FOOT AND MO REMOVE THAT AND THEN THAT WAY THEY COULD, UM, MAKE IT JUST 10 FEET.
UM, YEAH, IT SAYS THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION TO REMOVE THE EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ON THE SOUTH LINE OF COBBLESTONE.
AND THERE IS A HOUSE AT 37 0 1 COBBLESTONE.
SO COBBLESTONE IS A LITTLE DEAD END STREET, BUT THERE IS A HOUSE THAT FACES COBBLESTONE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU REMOVE THE 40 FOOT, THERE'S NOTHING TO KEEP THEM OR OTHER BUILDERS IN THE FUTURE FOR NOT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING UP WITH THE, THE RULES THAT YOU HAVE SET IN PLACE TO KEEP THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
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SO, AND I THINK WE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEIR INTENT IS TO BUILD TO 20 FEET, WHICH MATCHES THE HOUSE ACROSS COBBLESTONE, UM, BASED THEN WHY, WHY WOULDN'T THEY APPLY IT FOR IT THAT WAY THEN? AND THAT'S, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.BUT, UH, THE SET BASE ZONING WOULD STILL REQUIRE A 10 FOOT SETBACK.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S THE 10 FOOT.
IS THAT, DID YOU FOLLOW ALL OF OUR CONVERSATION ON THAT? IF YOU REMOVE THE 40 FOOT, THE MINIMUM WOULD THEN BE REQUIRED TO BE 10 ON COBBLESTONE, BUT HEATHER WOULD STAY AT 40 FEET.
SO HEATHER LANE ONLY EXTENDS TO CONNECT.
AND THEN THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
'CAUSE WE DO SEE ON OUR ARROW THE HOUSE BEHIND, SO THE HOUSE THAT IS ACCESSED VIA COBBLESTONE LANE THAT'S BEHIND THIS LOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, STAFF, I, I GET THE, WE WE CAN'T INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE LOT, CAN WE? THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO ALL, ALL THAT IS BEING ASKED IS TO MOVE THE BUILDING LINE AND PERHAPS IT WOULDN'T ASK CORRECTLY, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE GIST OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
MOVE, NOT REMOVE, REMOVE THE, THE REQUEST WAS REMOVE THE 40 FOOT PARTED BUILDING LINE ALONG TROUBLE STONE DRIVE AND TO EXTEND THE PILOT BUILDING LINE ON WEST SIDE OF THIS WITH LINE OF HEATHER LAND TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF COBBLESTONE DRIVE.
SO THE, THE MEANING IS THE EXISTING BUILDING LINE WILL REMAIN AND IT'LL BE EXTENDED TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF COBBLESTONE DRIVE.
THIS IS TO MAINTAIN THE CONTINUITY OF BLOCK FACE ALONG HEATHER LANE.
SO THAT SIDE IS NOT TOUCHED ONLY ON COBBLE SOUTH SIDE OF A COBBLESTONE DRIVE.
THEY HAVE ASKED FOR REMOVAL OF 40 FOOT BUILDING LINE, BUT THE ZONING, UH, REQUIREMENT WILL STILL STAY ON THAT SIDE.
AND WE HAVE ALSO TO TAKEN THE DETERMINATION FROM BUILDING INSPECTION THAT IT'LL BE A SIDE YARD AND SIDE YARD FOR THAT DISTRICT WILL BE 10 FEET.
SO THE PROP, THE PROPER REQUEST WOULD'VE BEEN TO ESTABLISH A 20 FOOT BUILDING LINE ON COBBLESTONE INSTEAD OF REMOVING THE 40 FOOT LINE.
THAT WAS NOT THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME.
AND TELL ME IF I'M BEING DENSE ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I SEE.
YOU REALLY, YOU WANT TO RESET THE BUILDING LINE AT 20 FEET INSTEAD OF 40 FEET OFF A COBBLESTONE.
SO, SO TO TRY TO CAPTURE THE, TO TRY TO REMOVE THE CONFUSING ASPECTS OF THIS, THE, THE WORDS HERE IN THE DOCKET STATE TO LEAVE THE 40 FOOT FRONT SETBACK AND REMOVE THE SIDE SETBACK.
WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS MAKE THE SIDE SETBACK BY DEFAULT, HAVE TO ABIDE BY ZONING, WHICH IS 10.
WE ARE PUTTING A SIDE DRIVEWAY ON COBBLESTONE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
DRIVEWAY REQUIREMENTS ARE 20 FOOT IN LENGTH, SO WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO PUT IT AT 10.
WE WANT IT AT 20, WHICH IS BETTER FOR OPPOSITION THAN WHAT WE COULD DO BY ZONING.
MR. CHAIR, MAY I ASK A FOLLOW UP OF THE APPLICANT? OF COURSE YOU CAN.
SO FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, IF THIS BODY WERE TO CONSIDER THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK STAFF FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR PLANS IF THE BUILDING LINE WAS REVISED TO 20 FEET.
CORRECT? WE'VE SUBMITTED PLANS.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU GUYS COULDN'T SEE THOSE, BUT WE, IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THIS, WE'VE SUBMITTED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND ARE READY TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT PENDING TODAY'S OUTCOME.
BUT YES, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IT AND PUT IT AT 20, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
MR. CHAIRMAN MAY ASK A QUESTION OF, UH, MR. MOORE, PLEASE DO MR. MOORE, AS THIS IS SUBMITTED TO US AS A REMOVAL, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO REDUCE THE BUILDING LINE TO 20 FEET IN LIEU OF REMOVING IT? YES, BECAUSE IT WAS
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A REMOVAL, SO IT WOULD GO TWO ZERO, YOU WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT.THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON THE TELEPATHY IS WORKING TODAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU NEED HELP WITH THE MOTION? YES, MR. MOORE WILL BE RIGHT THERE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, UH, A VOTE IS GONNA REQUIRE THREE FOURS OKAY.
UH, IN THE CASE OF S 2 34 DASH OH 42, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REDUCE A PORTION OF THE EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 20 FEET ALONG THE SOUTH LINE OF COBBLESTONE DRIVE AND EXTEND THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE ON THE WEST LINE, UH, OF HEATHER LANE.
THIS, UH, UH, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT REDUCTION OF THAT PORTION OF THE PLANTED BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK LINE LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATION, BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
MOTION CARRIES A SECOND MOTION.
I DO HAVE A SECOND MOTION IN THE CASE OF NUMBER S 2 34 DASH OH 42.
I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE REPL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED ON THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
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UH, COMMISSIONERS.WE HAVE THE JANUARY 18TH MINUTES.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I MOTION? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARBOR FOR YOUR MOTION FOR THE JANUARY 18TH MINUTES.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR SECONDED IT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
THE MOTION? UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT MADE THE MOTION I SECOND IT.
COMMISSIONERS IT IS 4:16 PM AND RECORD TIME.
I APPRECIATE THE TEAMWORK TONIGHT AND ALL YOUR HARD WORK.