Feb 07, 2024 Council Briefing

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YOU'RE WATCHING THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WITH MAYOR ERIC L JOHNSON.

MAYOR PRO TEM TENNELL ATKINS, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CAROLYN KING ARNOLD.

COUNCIL MEMBERS CHAD WEST, JESSE MORENO.

ZARIN GRACEY.

JAIME RESENDEZ.

OMAR NARVAEZ.

ADAM BAZALDUA.

PAULA BLACKMON.

CATHY STEWART.

JAYNIE SCHULTZ.

CARA MENDELSOHN.

GAY DONNELL WILLIS, PAUL RIDLEY AND CITY MANAGER TK BROADNAX, CITY SECRETARY BILIERAE JOHNSON AND CITY ATTORNEY TAMMY PALOMINO.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING.

[Call to Order]

TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 7TH, 2024.

THE TIME IS 9:28 A.M., AND I NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.

WE HAVE OUR INVOCATION.

SPEAKER HERE, I BELIEVE RABBI PALEY.

THERE WE GO RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR OUR INVOCATION.

THANK YOU RABBI. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEAR FRIENDS OF OUR CITY, AS ALWAYS, I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU AND TO BRING WORDS OF BLESSING AS YOU BEGIN ANOTHER DAY OF OF SERVICE TO OUR GREAT CITY AND OUR GREAT CITIZENS.

I NEVER TIRE OF THIS HONOR AND AM HUMBLED TO BE WITH YOU THIS MORNING.

HOLY ONE, A BLESSING.

GOD OF MANY NAMES, GOD OF ALL PEOPLES, OF ALL NATIONS.

ON THIS GLORIOUS DAY, WE CELEBRATE TRIUMPHANTLY A VISION OF YOUR CITY WITH ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL, WALKING ARM IN ARM TOWARDS JUSTICE FOR ALL.

BREATHE INTO US YOUR ETERNAL BREATH, THAT WE MAY NEVER TIRE OF ENSURING A FLOURISHING LIFE FOR ALL PEOPLES.

OH GOD, WE KNOW AND HAVE SEEN YOUR GOODNESS, AND BECAUSE OF IT WE CLING TO THE HOPE THAT UNITY AND LIBERATION FOR ALL ARE WITHIN OUR GRASP.

CONTINUE TO SHOW US YOUR GOODNESS THAT WE MAY HAVE THE STRENGTH TO ADVANCE YOUR KINGDOM WITH HUMILITY AND GRACE.

WE ASK YOU TO BE WITH OUR MAYOR AND HIS STAFF AND OUR CITY COUNCIL AND THEIR STAFFS AND ALL THOSE ALONG WITH THEM, WHO HAVE BEEN CALLED TO LEADERSHIP IN OUR CITY SO THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE THE COURAGE AND CONVICTION TO LISTEN, TO CONSIDER, TO THINK CAREFULLY, AND TO ACT WITH COMPASSION AND CONVICTION.

REMIND THEM THAT NO MATTER WHERE IN OUR CITY WE MAY LIVE, EVERYONE IS OUR NEIGHBOR, EVERYONE OUR SIBLING, AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CALLED TO RESPECT AND PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, THE ELDERLY, THE POOR, THOSE WHO ARE HUNGRY, THOSE WHO HAVE NO HOMES, THOSE WHO ARE ILL IN BODY, MIND OR SPIRIT.

THE STRANGERS AND IMMIGRANTS IN OUR MIDST.

THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE MARGINS, THOSE WHO ARE ALONE, THOSE WHO ARE FORGOTTEN.

MAY THEY PUT ASIDE ENMITY AND ENVY.

BECOMING EXAMPLES OF WHAT IT REALLY MEANS TO COOPERATE AND COLLABORATE FOR THE COMMON GOOD, FOR OUR CITY AND INDEED OUR NATION.

MAY THEY ALWAYS BE GUIDED BY THE SPIRIT OF COMMUNITY, BY THE SPIRIT OF JUSTICE, AND BY THE SPIRIT OF LOVE.

MAY THEY BE REMINDED OF THE ULTIMATE TEACHING THAT YOU CAN PRETEND TO CARE.

BUT YOU CANNOT PRETEND TO SHOW UP.

MAY THEY SHOW UP TODAY WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THEIR HEARTS AND THE WILL TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR US ALL.

THIS WE PRAY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT WE HOLD, SACRED AND HOLY.

AMEN. EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR OUR PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES.

FLAG AND THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU MAY BE SEATED.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS MORNING.

[Special Presentations]

THANK YOU. MAYOR. TODAY WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE YEAR.

LUNAR YEAR, NEW YEAR.

WELL, FIRST OBSERVED IN CHINA 1000 YEARS AGO.

AND IT IS WIDELY CELEBRATED IN EAST AND SOUTHEAST ASIA AND BY MILLIONS OF ASIAN AMERICANS IN THE UNITED STATES.

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WHEREAS LUNAR NEW YEAR IS CELEBRATED THROUGH ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THE LAMB AND DRAGON DANCE, TEMPLE FIRE LANTERN FESTIVAL, FIREWORKS AND FAMILY REUNION DINNER ON LUNAR NEW YEAR EVE KNOWN AS NEI YI FAN.

WHEREAS FAMILIES BURN INCENSE TO WORSHIP THEIR ANCESTORS AND OFFER SACRIFICES TO THEIR ANCESTORS BEFORE THE REUNION DINNER.

OLDER AND SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY WOULD GIVE CHILDREN RED ENVELOPES AND GOOD LUCK POCKET MONEY KNOWN AS YI SOON SHIN, WHICH THEM ANOTHER SAFE AND PEACEFUL PEACEFUL YEAR.

AND WHEREAS THE CITADEL IS PROUD HOME TO THE SECOND LARGEST ASIAN AMERICAN POPULATION IN TEXAS WITH 192,000 RESIDENTS, THEY HAVE SHARED THE METROPLEX INTO THE NUMBER TWO BEST PLACE IN THE NATION FOR ASIAN AMERICAN ENTREPRENEURS TO START THEIR OWN BUSINESSES, WITH OVER 19,000 ASIAN OWNED BUSINESSES IN DFW.

WHEREAS 2024 IS THE YEAR OF THE DRAGON AS A SUSPECT ANIMAL AND THE OTHER MYTHS, CREED AND CHINESE ZODIAC, DINOSAUR IS SEEN AS A POWERFUL COURAGE AND INTELLIGENT AND IDEALIST VISION LEADER.

NOW, THEREFORE, BEFORE THE RESOLUTION THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS DOES HEREBY RECOGNIZE LUNAR NEW YEAR IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WISH EVERYONE GOOD FORTUNE, PROSPERITY, HEALTH DURING THIS YEAR OF THE DRAGON ON THE SIXTH DAY OF FEBRUARY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I CHANNEL ATKINS MAYOR PRO TEM OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR ERIC JOHNSON, DO HEREBY EXTEND A SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO THIS YEAR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S HAVE THE PRESENTATION.

COME ON DOWN.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH WITH YOU RIGHT HERE.

BUT GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR JOHNSON AND THE MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS CHARLENE CHONG, AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF GREATER DALLAS TAIWANESE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

IT'S MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THIS RESOLUTION ON BEHALF OF THE GREATER ASIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. FOR THE MANY OF US ASIAN AMERICANS WHO CALL DALLAS OUR HOME OR RUN OUR BUSINESS IN DALLAS. IT TRULY MEANS A LOT TO HAVE THIS HOLIDAY RECOGNIZED AND CELEBRATE THROUGH THIS RESOLUTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

LUNAR NEW YEAR IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TIMES OF THE YEAR, AND WE ARE SO HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO SHARE OUR CULTURE, HISTORY, AND TRADITION WITH EVERYONE.

WE WISH EVERYONE A LUCKY AND HEALTHY YEAR OF THE DRAGON, AND WE HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN CONTINUE TO BUILD UPON OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY OF DALLAS AND PERHAPS BRING TOGETHER A LUNAR NEW YEAR CELEBRATION FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND OUR CHAMBER WILL HAVE A LUNAR NEW YEAR GALA ON SUNDAY, FEBRUARY THE 25TH.

YOU ARE ALL INVITED.

YOU YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE INVITATION.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MAYOR JOHNSON AND COUNCIL MEMBER AT OUR LUNAR NEW YEAR GALA.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND IF YOU CAN COME ON DOWN HERE, WE'LL TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

AND JUST A HEADS UP, MAYOR.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE GOING TO BE NEXT, SO GET READY FOR YOUR RESOLUTION.

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THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, MAYOR.

AND TO, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE AND TO THE PUBLIC.

WE ARE A LITTLE LATE, BUT OUR MEETING JUST HAPPENED TO FALL HERE ON TODAY AS WE CELEBRATE AND RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE, AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY.

I DO HAVE A RESOLUTION, AND I'M GOING TO JUST DO THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE RESOLUTION.

AND WE WILL SUBMIT THIS DOCUMENT, TO THE ARCHIVES, SO THAT IT CAN BE, DOCUMENTED THAT WE DID OBSERVE AS A CITY.

SO WHEREAS THIS MONTH OF FEBRUARY IS ANNUALLY OBSERVED AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH OR AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH, WE SIMPLY TAKE THIS MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS MONTH'S DESIGNATION.

WE KNOW THAT NEGRO HISTORY WEEK, AS IT WAS FIRST DESIGNATED, BEGAN IN 1926, AND ULTIMATELY IT WAS EXPANDED IN 1976 UNDER THE PRESIDENCY OF GERALD FORD.

EXPANDED TO AN ENTIRE MONTH.

AND WE KNOW THAT NOT INCLUDED IN THIS RESOLUTION THAT AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY, JUST AS ALL HISTORY SHOULD BE CELEBRATED 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR, BUT IT IS RECOGNIZED THIS MONTH AS A PARTICULAR EMPHASIS IN A MOMENT, FOR US TO REFLECT ON HOW WE ARRIVED AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THIS MONTH WAS INITIALLY IDENTIFIED IN FEBRUARY TO CELEBRATE, OBSERVE THE BIRTHDAYS OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, AS WELL AS FREDERICK DOUGLASS, WHO ARE BOTH TIED INTO OUR HISTORY.

AND SO WHEREAS BLACK HISTORY MONTH IS A TIME TO REFLECT ON THE ACHIEVEMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF AFRICAN AMERICANS TO UNITED STATES HISTORY, WE DO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO JUST A FEW FAMILIAR PEOPLE.

PEOPLE, I'M SORRY, SUCH AS REVEREND DOCTOR MARTIN LUTHER KING, ROSA PARKS, FREDERICK DOUGLASS, SOJOURNER TRUTH, AND MANY OTHERS.

WE ALSO RECOGNIZE JAMES BALDWIN, DOROTHY HEIGHT, HANK AARON AND OTHER MODERN DAY ACHIEVERS SUCH AS PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA, JUSTICE KETANJI BROWN JACKSON.

LOCALLY, WE ALSO HAVE HISTORIC INDIVIDUALS, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE BECAUSE OF THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS, SUCH AS JUDGE GEORGE ALLEN, MATTIE NASH, LUCY PHELPS, PATTERSON COMER COTTRELL, ROLAND G.

PARRISH, HIAWATHA WILLIAMS, COMMISSIONER JOHN WILEY PRICE, THE HONORABLE RON KIRK, CONGRESSWOMAN EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, AND LEONARD JONES, JUST TO NAME A FEW.

FINALLY, WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THOSE OF US WHO SIT AROUND THE HORSESHOE.

THERE ARE, I THINK, MOST OF US WHO ARE AT THE HORSESHOE IN TERMS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN DESCENT ALSO REPRESENT THE DIVINE NINE.

AND SO THOSE THOSE ARE OUR GREEK HERITAGE.

AND YOU'LL FIGURE THAT OUT BY THE TIME YOU GET HOME.

SO BUT WE HAVE THE GREEK HERITAGE OF WHICH WE ARE ALSO AFFILIATED.

OUR DIVINE NINE REPRESENTS AFRICAN AMERICAN, GREEK SORORITIES AND FRATERNITIES WHO REPRESENT OVER 4 MILLION MEMBERS.

BUT THEIR COMMITMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN SERVICE, AND THEY'VE ALSO ALWAYS INCLUDED INDIVIDUALS WHO'VE MADE THEIR MARK IN IN HISTORY.

SO WHEREAS THESE JUST A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO DESERVE RECOGNITION IS LENGTHY AND WE KNOW WE CANNOT INCLUDE OTHERS, WE SIMPLY SAY, THEREFORE, WE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO OBSERVE AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH OR BLACK HISTORY MONTH AS IT IS A DESIGNATED, HUMBLY SUBMITTED THE SEVENTH DAY OF FEBRUARY BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CAROLYN KING ARNOLD, REPRESENTING CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR.

AND SO WE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TODAY JUST TO TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO UNDERSTAND OR REFLECT RESEARCH THE DATA, THE INFORMATION, THE HISTORY OF HOW WE ARRIVED AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

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THANK YOU.

OKAY, BEFORE I RECOGNIZE YOU, CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, I THINK, CHAIRMAN SCHULTZ, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED? YES. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS FANTASTIC RESOLUTION, IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR. YOU ABSOLUTELY MAY. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. SO, MANY YEARS AGO, WHEN I SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN A TOUR HOSTED BY REMEMBERING BLACK DALLAS OF THE, BLACK HISTORY OF NORTH DALLAS.

AND IT ABSOLUTELY CHANGED MY PERCEPTION OF WHERE I LIVE, HOW I LIVE, AND OUR OWN CITY HISTORY.

AND THEN IN MEETING WITH THE MAYOR A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MAP THAT SHOWED THE PLACES IN DISTRICT 11 THAT HAVE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY. AND WE BOTH JUST WERE JUST AMAZED BY ALL THAT.

AND AS IN HONOR OF BLACK HISTORY MONTH, DISTRICT 11 WILL BE HOSTING A FULL EXHIBITION OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY OF.

AUF DALLAS.

WE WILL ALSO BE BECAUSE OF THAT.

MY TEACHER, DOCTOR GEORGE KEATON.

WE WILL BE DEDICATING THE CONFERENCE ROOM IN OUR DISTRICT OFFICE AS THE GEORGE KEATON CONFERENCE ROOM ON FEBRUARY 18TH.

BUT THAT EXHIBITION WILL BE GOING ON, AT LEAST FOR A MONTH OR TWO.

TO CELEBRATE THIS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT HISTORY, I JUST VERY QUICKLY, IN CASE PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE IT OVER THERE, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT COIT ROAD, KELLER SPRINGS, ALPHA, ALL OF THOSE ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORICAL PLACES THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN.

SO JUST AS YOU DRIVE ON THOSE ROADS, THINK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE.

AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE MANY FAMOUS PEOPLE LIKE ANDERSON, BONNER AND OTHERS.

AND THEN FINALLY, WHAT WILL BE COMING TO OUR COUNCIL SOON THAT PASSED ON MONDAY THROUGH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WAS LANDMARKING, THE IF NOT ONE OF THE OLDEST AFRICAN AMERICAN CEMETERIES IN ALL OF DALLAS COUNTY, THE WHITE ROCK GARDEN OF MEMORY.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR ALLOWING ME.

AND THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, FOR BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION FORWARD.

AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE EDUCATION THAT I RECEIVED IN YOUR OFFICE ABOUT ALL THE, THE THE LOCATIONS WITHIN YOUR DISTRICT THAT I WAS NOT AWARE, AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THIS CITY, THAT WERE OWNED BY AFRICAN AMERICANS AT ONE TIME.

AND IT WAS JUST FASCINATING.

I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE FROM YOU ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO EDUCATE MORE FOLKS IN OUR CITY ABOUT THAT.

AT THIS TIME, THE CHAIR IS GOING TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, AND I'M GOING TO LET YOU HOLD THE FLOOR FOR YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS AND KEEP IT FOR YOUR NEXT ANNOUNCEMENT.

SO DO BOTH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND VERY QUICKLY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD IN, THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, FOR, FOR THIS, INFORMATION AS WELL AS FOR MAKING SURE THE CITY, DOESN'T FORGET THAT WE ALSO ARE CELEBRATING.

BUT I ALSO WANTED TO ADD, WHY LATINOS CELEBRATE BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T REALIZE OR KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF AFRO LATINOS.

NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE MIXED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR CENTURIES.

AND THAT'S, AND AND THE CITY OF MEXICO, I MEAN, COUNTRY OF MEXICO, THERE ARE SEVERAL CITIES THAT ARE, YOU WALK INTO THAT CITY AND EVERYBODY IS BLACK, BUT THEY ALL SPEAK SPANISH, AND THEY ALL IDENTIFY AS LATINOS BECAUSE THEY ARE.

AND THEY ALL, THEY'RE MEXICAN CITIZENS.

AND, THERE'S ALSO CARIBBEAN COUNTRIES LIKE THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, PUERTO RICO, CUBA THAT ALSO, HAVE TONS AND TONS OF AFRO LATINOS THERE.

AND SOME FAMOUS AFRO LATINOS AND LATINAS, ROBERTO CLEMENTE, CARMELO, CARMELO ANTHONY, MIRIAM JIMENEZ, ROMAN, AND OF COURSE, MY FAVORITE, THE LEGENDARY CELIA CRUZ.

AND SO THESE ARE JUST I JUST WANTED TO ADD IN WHY WE AS LATINOS ALSO CELEBRATE BLACK HISTORY MONTH, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALSO, OUR SISTERS AND BROTHERS, AND WE'RE ALL TOGETHER AS ONE.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND MAYOR.

AND NOW I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO MY SPECIAL RECOGNITION.

SO, THIS ONE'S REALLY EXCITING.

WELL, IT'S ALWAYS EXCITING WHEN YOU HAVE A STAFF MEMBER OR SOMEBODY WHO HAS GIVEN A LOT OF SERVICE TO OUR GREAT CITY AS AN EMPLOYEE.

AND, DONNA HARRINGTON, WHO'S RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT, WE'LL HAVE YOU COME UP AND TAKE A PICTURE AND ALL THAT IN A SECOND.

YOU CAN, IF THE MAYOR WILL LET YOU SAY A FEW WORDS.

BUT, DONNA HARRINGTON JUST RECENTLY RETIRED AFTER SERVING THE CITY FOR 27 YEARS, EIGHT MONTHS AND EIGHT DAYS.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SET SOMETHING UP FOR HER.

SHE'S ALSO A RESIDENT OF WEST DALLAS, AS IS HER FAMILY.

AND, THIS THIS IS 28 YEARS.

WAS. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FAMILY BUSINESS BECAUSE, PAT HARRINGTON, IF YOU WANT TO WAVE, SERVED THE CITY FOR 36 YEARS.

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AND SO, AND THEN ANN HARRINGTON, I KNOW, WORKED FOR THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, BUT IT WAS A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME.

BUT, ANN HARRINGTON, IF YOU WANT TO WAVE, ALSO WORKED FOR THE CITY.

SHE'S ALSO A COMMISSIONER HERE, FOR US IN DISTRICT SIX.

AND THEN HER SISTER NEXT DOOR IS ALSO A BIG TIME COMMUNITY MEMBER AND ADVOCATE, AND JUST ITS SERVICE RUNS IN THIS FAMILY'S BLOOD.

SO, DONNA, THANK YOU.

I'M GOING TO READ A FEW WORDS, AND THEN IF IT'S OKAY, I DON'T DEFER TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN WE'LL THE FAMILY AND DONNA WILL COME IN THE CENTER AND WE'LL TAKE A QUICK PICTURE. SO WHEREAS DONNA HARRINGTON BEGAN HER CAREER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AS A TEMPORARY CLERK 35 AND REVENUE AND TAXATION DEPARTMENT AT CITY HALL FROM DECEMBER 1995 UNTIL MAY 1996.

AND WHEREAS DONNA BECAME A PERMANENT CLERK 36 AND THE REVENUE AND TAXATION DEPARTMENT HANDLING COLLECTION OF PAYMENT FOR CITY OF DALLAS PROPERTY TAXES FROM MAY 1996 UNTIL NOVEMBER 2000, AND WHEREAS DONNA HAD A LATERAL TRANSFER TO SECRETARY 36.

AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATION, AND WAS EVENTUALLY PROMOTED TO OFFICE ASSISTANT AND THE ENGINEERING SERVICES TWO SECTION FROM NOVEMBER 2000 UNTIL APRIL 2007, AND WHEREAS, DONNA WAS PROMOTED TO SENIOR COURT SPECIALIST FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF COURT SERVICES, WORKING AT LOUIS JUSTICE CENTER AND THE CITY OF DALLAS MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND DETENTION CENTER, ASSISTING JUDGES AND ATTORNEYS WITH LEGAL DOCUMENTS FROM APRIL 2007 UNTIL OCTOBER 2010, AND WHEREAS, DONNA JOINED THE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND THE WASTEWATER COLLECTION DIVISION AS AN OFFICE ASSISTANT TO WORKING FOR THE DATA ANALYST SECTION, AND THEN WAS PROMOTED TO PROJECT COORDINATOR ONE FROM OCTOBER 2010 UNTIL FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024.

AND WHEREAS, DONNA SERVED AS THE SECRETARY AND MEMBER OF THE DWU EMPLOYEE ADVISORY COUNCIL, AND WHEREAS, DONNA HAS BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN VARIOUS COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER WORK ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS NEW BEGINNINGS, COVENANT MINISTRIES, BUILDERS OF HOPE, WDCW, VP, STEER STEERING COMMITTEE, GET OUT THE VOTE, AND COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX, TRISHA'S GIRLS WAY, AND IS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE WEST DALLAS MULTI-PURPOSE CENTER TASK FORCE. AND NOW THEREFORE I.

OMAR NARVAEZ, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL, EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION IN HONOR OF DONNA HARRINGTON.

IF YOU WANT TO COME ON UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.

AND I WILL POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST REALLY ARE FROM WEST DALLAS.

I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING THE BEST ARE IN THE WEST SAYING, THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHNSON, FOR HAVING ME.

THANK YOU. MY FAVORITE COUNCIL MEMBER.

OMAGH DISTRICT SIX.

YES. AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME THIS MORNING.

I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S BEEN A BLESSING AND HONOR WORKING FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

DIDN'T THINK I WOULD MAKE IT TO RETIREMENT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT I MADE IT, AND IT'S TRULY BEEN A BLESSING LEARNING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CITY.

ITS THINGS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW.

AND THEN YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

THEY INFORM YOU.

SO IT'S TRULY A BLESSING MEETING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE ENCOUNTERED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, AND I.

I DON'T REALLY LIKE TO TALK, BUT APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. DID A GREAT JOB.

YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR FAMILY COME ON DOWN HERE.

WE CAN TAKE A PHOTO.

AND I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT HER SUPERINTENDENT OF WASTEWATER COLLECTION, SOPHIA HARVEY, IS HERE, WILL JOIN US, AS WELL AS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR WASTEWATER OPERATIONS, ZACH PEEPLES, ALSO HERE.

THOSE WERE SOME OF HER DIRECT SUPERVISORS THAT SHE ASKED TO JOIN US.

SO IF THEY'LL WANT TO JOIN US FOR THE PHOTO AS WELL.

GREAT. OKAY. COULD ALL THE HARRINGTONS OF WEST DALLAS PLEASE COME ON DOWN, PLEASE? OKAY. ONE OF THEM LIVES IN DISTRICT THREE.

ONE TWO. FOR MORE.

MORE. YOU GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, EVERYONE'S GETTING BACK TO THEIR SEATS.

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I AM HONORED TO WELCOME TODAY MR. RAND HERZ AND HIS CLASS OF WOODROW WILSON HIGH SCHOOL, INTERNATIONAL BACCALAUREATE GLOBAL POLITICS STUDENTS.

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE HAVE HOSTED SUCH A BREAKFAST, WHICH WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS TO ASK QUESTIONS FROM OUR CITY HALL PROFESSIONALS TO ASSIST IN THEIR IB PROJECTS.

THEY ARE ACCOMPANIED BY PARENTS MINDY SATTERWHITE, SHERRY WHITE, MICA CHRISSY AND JEN ADAMS. I THINK ALL OF US KNOW THE DEEP CONNECTION BETWEEN DALLAS AND WOODROW WILSON HIGH SCHOOL.

IN FACT, JUST ON THIS COUNCIL, WE HAVE COUNCILMAN MORENO, WHO IS A WOODROW ALUM COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMON SONS, ATTENDED WOODROW COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS MOTHER ATTENDED WOODROW COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA DAUGHTER IS CURRENTLY ATTENDING J.L.

LONG, THE WOODROW FEEDER SCHOOL AND OUR VERY OWN DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TAUGHT AT WOODROW.

SO PLEASE RECOGNIZE THESE STUDENTS AND COME ON DOWN FOR A PHOTOGRAPH.

COME ON DOWN, WOODROW WILSON.

ALL RIGHT, COME ON DOWN.

WHERE'S PAULA BLACKMON? ONE OF THESE ISN'T.

YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. YOU'RE DONE.

OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW YOU PUT SOMETHING THROUGH WOODROW, DIDN'T YOU? YES. I'M DONE.

YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. HERE WE GO.

I'M JUST MAKING SURE I PUT EVERYBODY IN.

OH MY GOD. ALL RIGHT GUYS, HOT MIC HERE.

ALL RIGHT. JUST SO YOU KNOW.

ALL RIGHT, MADAM SECRETARY, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS.

[Open Microphone Speakers (Part 1 of 2)]

THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

I'LL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES.

SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM.

FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN PERSON FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION.

INDIVIDUALS BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

YOU NOTICE THE TIME FOR THOSE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

YOU'LL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.

PLEASE STOP FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL.

OF OUR CITY COUNCIL.

RULES OF PROCEDURES THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME.

ALSO, PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON ONLY.

YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, RICKEY PERRY.

HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? GREETINGS MY GOOD PEOPLE.

IMMA BE RIGHT QUICK AND FRANK, IMMA KEEP IT REAL.

I'M NOT REALLY EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.

BUT THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, WE CONSIDER THIS A STATE OF EMERGENCY.

OTHERS AND MYSELF, WE REALLY, REALLY CONSIDER THIS THE STATE OF EMERGENCY.

AND I'D LIKE TO GO OVER TWO VITAL COMPONENTS THAT IS REPARATIONS AND POLITICAL UNITY.

FIRST I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT POLITICAL UNITY.

RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IS, OUR COUNTRY IS BEING FLOODED, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? FLOODED WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT WE KNOW, PEOPLE, WE WE REALLY NEED TO STICK TOGETHER ON THIS BORDER THING BECAUSE, NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T NEED ANYBODY COMING INTO OUR BORDERS UNTIL WE GET OURSELF CORRECT.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE NEED OUR OWN HOUSE ON POINT.

WE GOT TO GET US ON POINT.

REPARATIONS, INFLATION, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE TO GET OURSELVES ON POINT BEFORE WE ALLOW OTHERS TO COME IN AND BOMB RAID.

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE US CITIZENSHIP ACT? H.R. 1177 THAT WAS PASSED IN 2021 BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

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NOBODY. WELL, THAT PRETTY MUCH ALLOWED THE IMMIGRANTS AND OTHERS JUST TO COME IN AND PRETTY MUCH GET OUR RESOURCES, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WE REALLY NEED TO STAND ON THAT 450 BILLION A YEAR.

YOU KNOW, THEY GOT BILLIONS FOR WAR, BUT NO MONEY FOR THE POOR, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WE NEED TO INFLATION, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE TYPE OF THING THAT'S GOING TO PUT US ABOVE WHERE WE'VE BEEN AS A PEOPLE.

OKAY? BLACK, BROWN, WHITE, ASIAN.

WE NEED TO GET THIS ON POINT ON THIS POLITICAL UNITY.

NOW, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS.

REPARATIONS US AS A PEOPLE, AS BLACK PEOPLE.

WE ARE OWED REPARATIONS.

WE ARE OWED A APOLOGY FUND.

WE ARE OWED, SOMETHING THAT CAN STIMULATE OUR COMMUNITIES TO STIMULATE US.

YOU KNOW ME, I'M IN THE COMMUNITY EVERY DAY HEALING, UPLIFTING.

YOU KNOW, THE WOMEN, THE CHILDREN AND EVERYBODY.

AND I SEE THAT WE NEED A STIMULATION.

AND THIS STIMULATION WILL COME FROM OUR REPARATIONS.

THAT'S GOING TO WHO? YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO US. WE NEED TO POLITICALLY UNIFY ON THESE THINGS AND ALSO ON OUR VOTES.

LAST THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OUR VOTES.

WE NEED TO UNIFY IN THE VOTING PROCESS.

WE DON'T NEED TO UNIFY OVER SYMBOLISM.

AND, YOU AIN'T COOL IF YOU DON'T VOTE, BLACK, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO STICK TOGETHER ON VOTING, FOR TANGIBLES.

WE NEED TANGIBLES NOW.

NOT FOR SYMBOLISM, BUT TANGIBLES FOR US AS A PEOPLE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY.

REPARATIONS AND POLITICAL UNITY.

IF WE CAN REALLY STEP UP AND, IN THOSE AREAS, ESPECIALLY AS TEXAS CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, FIRST AND THEN IN OUR COMMUNITIES, WE CAN REALLY GET SOMEWHERE AND WE CAN REALLY EVOLVE OURSELVES. AND, I APPRECIATE JAMAL AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, FOR LISTENING, YOU KNOW, GIVING ME A PLATFORM TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU. BRIAN.

TONY. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION, WE DO BELIEVE 60 $1 MILLION FOR HOUSING TO BE SHARED WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN AS LOW AS $8.5 MILLION FOR HOMELESS SOLUTIONS MEANS YOU HAVE HEARD US.

THAT IS WHY WE APPRECIATE YOUR EDUCATING YOURSELVES ON THESE ISSUES FURTHER, AND DECIDED NOT TO BOG DOWN PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY.

UNFORTUNATELY, DESPITE OUR MEMBERS AND MYSELF REPEATEDLY SHOWING UP, SHARING DATA, PERSONAL TESTIMONIES, CLEAR SPENDING PLANS AND EXAMPLES OF SUCCESSFUL PAST BOND FUNDED HOUSING PROJECTS, THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS ALLOCATIONS ARE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE FUNDING THAT WE, DEPARTMENT STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDED.

IN FACT, PROPORTIONALLY, THERE ARE TWO OF THE MOST CUT DOWN OF ANY PROPOSITIONS.

I WANT TO GIVE IT ONE LAST REMINDER OF WHAT AN UNDERINVESTMENT IN HOUSING MEANS FOR DALLAS.

AN ALLOCATION OF $61 MILLION MAY AFFORD 1150 AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS, JUST 3% OF THE NEED THAT DALLAS CURRENTLY HAS FOR RENTAL HOUSING, ACCORDING TO CPAL.

$150 ALLOCATION TOWARDS HOUSING WE RECOMMENDED COULD HAVE YIELDED 15,000 AFFORDABLE UNITS AND AN ADDITIONAL 32,000 MARKET RATE UNITS.

DALLAS HOUSING NEED IS EXPECTED TO MORE THAN DOUBLE TO OVER 80,000 UNITS BY 2030.

A HOUSING GAP SO SEVERE IT WILL FORCE MIDDLE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS NURSES, TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE, WAITERS, CITY EMPLOYEES AND MORE TO MOVE FROM THE CITY THEY LOVE TO ONE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN WITHOUT MEETING OUR HOUSING NEEDS.

AN INCREASING NUMBER OF DALLAS RESIDENTS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND NEIGHBORS AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE.

THEY SEE WHERE YOUR PRIORITIES ARE AND THEY ARE NOT HAPPY.

IF PEOPLE CAN HAVE A GOOD PAYING JOB, STEADY INCOME ELSEWHERE, THEY WILL MOVE THERE.

THIS WILL TRICKLE DOWN TO OUR RESTAURANTS, OUR CLASSROOMS, OUR GROCERY STORES, OUR HOSPITALS, AND MORE WHO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIND THE PEOPLE TO WORK THERE.

STAGNATING OUR TAX BASE AND OUR LOCAL ECONOMY.

OUR HOPE IS THAT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD AND HOW OFTEN WE HEAR THAT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND HOMELESSNESS ARE ISSUES YOU TAKE SERIOUSLY, YOUR COMMITMENT WILL INCLUDE SUPPORTING THESE PROPOSITIONS THROUGH THE MAY ELECTION AND MORE SUPPORT WHEN WE COME BACK, ASKING FOR OTHER POLICY REFORMS AND HIGHER LEVELS INVESTMENTS IN FUTURE BOND PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY WILL BE NEEDED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ELIZABETH GRIFFIN.

HI, MAYOR JOHNSON AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY.

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AND I JUST WANTED TO, REITERATE WHAT ONE OF MY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES SHARED AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH IS THAT WE REALLY, WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THE FUNDING FOR THE PARK FOREST LIBRARY IN THE 2024 BOND.

THE PARK FOREST LIBRARY SERVES A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

AND IT IS A PLACE FOR EDUCATION, FOR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, FOR LEARNING, FOR ACHIEVING ECONOMIC ADVANCEMENT THROUGH BEING ABLE TO USE, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY, ETC..

AND SO IT REALLY IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A FUNCTIONAL LIBRARY THAT CAN SERVE OUR COMMUNITY IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY.

THE CITY AGREED THAT THE LIBRARIES WERE IN DESPERATE NEED OF RENEWAL AND RENOVATION BACK AS FAR AS THE 2000 MASTER PLAN.

IN THE YEAR 2000 AND IT NOW BEING 24 YEARS LATER, I THINK IT'S IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT, WE HAVE WAITED PATIENTLY FOR OUR LIBRARY TO BE, REBUILT, SO THAT WE CAN BEST SERVE THE COMMUNITY.

SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE LIBRARIES IN YOUR BOND PACKAGE AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP MAXIMUM FUNDING SO THAT THE PARK FOREST LIBRARY CAN BE REBUILT.

AND THE OTHER LIBRARIES THAT ARE IN THE LIST CAN ALSO BE RENOVATED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, RACHEL MCGOWAN.

RACHEL MCGOWAN IS NOT PRESENT.

TIFFANY DAVIS.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS TIFFANY DAVIS.

I'M THE CEO, PRESIDENT OF TURTLE CREEK CONSERVANCY, AND WE TAKE CARE OF TURTLE CREEK PARK, A 20 ACRE PARK AND A THREE CITY BLOCKS IN THE HEART OF DALLAS, ALONG WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING, ARLINGTON HALL.

TURTLE CREEK PARK IS THE SECOND OLDEST PARK IN DALLAS.

ITS FOUNDING PREDATES WHEN THE CITY OF DALLAS PURCHASED THE PARK IN 1909.

TODAY, THERE ARE OVER 14,000 DALLAS RESIDENTS WITHIN A TEN MINUTE WALK TO TURTLE CREEK PARK.

WE PROVIDE A MUCH NEEDED GREEN SPACE IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

OUR GREATEST HOPE IS THAT WE CAN CREATE A SUSTAINABLE MODEL FOR THIS PARK TO EXIST.

FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS.

OUR TEAM IS WORKING HARD TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, A PARK AND REC, TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR ALL DALLAS CITIZENS TO ENJOY FREE PROGRAMING PUBLIC EVENTS IN THE DALLAS CITY PARK. AND WE HAVE RENEWED OUR MISSION STATEMENT AND WITH A NEW FOCUS TO OFFER PROGRAMS, WELLNESS AND EDUCATIONAL EVENTS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF UNDERSERVED CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ALSO HOPE YOU'LL ALL JOIN US ON MARCH 31ST FOR EASTER IN THE PARK ON EASTER SUNDAY FROM 1 TO 4 P.M., WE ARE PLANNING TO ACTIVATE THE SOUTH PARCEL WITH FUNDS FROM THE 2024 BOND ELECTION AT A PROPOSED COST OF $6 MILLION AND 1.5 COMING FROM THE CITY BOND ELECTION ALLOCATION AND 4.5 MILLION FROM PRIVATE FUNDRAISING.

WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD A BRIDGE FOR PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY TO THE PARK AND UP TO TWO MILES OF SOFT SURFACE TRAILS, SO PARK GUESTS CAN BE ACTUALLY IMMERSED IN NATURE. ALSO, WE HOPE THAT THE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS MAY GO TOWARD EROSION CONTROL ISSUES ALONG THE ACTUAL TURTLE CREEK IN INVESTMENT IN PARKS, TRAILS, AND OPEN GREEN SPACES WILL HELP MAKE DALLAS A HEALTHIER, HAPPIER, AND MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE CITY.

AS A PROUD MEMBER OF THE DALLAS PARK COALITION, WE'RE EXCITED TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FOR THE PRELIMINARY FUNDING RECOMMENDATION OF $310 MILLION FOR PARKS, TRAILS AND GREEN SPACES.

ANYWAY, GREENER IS GREATER.

AND AGAIN, JUST HEARTFELT THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF PARKS.

I KNOW EVERYONE IN OUR CITY NEEDS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JAMAR OSBORNE.

HELLO. IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, A TREE FELL ONTO MY PROPERTY, DAMAGING MY FENCE.

I DISCOVERED THAT THE TREE FROM WHICH TO THE LOT FROM WHICH THE TREE FELL WAS OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I MADE NUMEROUS 311 REQUESTS TO HAVE THE TREE REMOVED FROM MY PROPERTY.

THE CITY OF DALLAS TOOK NO ACTION, LEAVING THEIR TREE ON MY PROPERTY WITHOUT MY CONSENT, CONSTITUTING A TRESPASS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WELL AS A TAKING OF PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT JUST COMPENSATION OR DUE DUE PROCESS OF LAW.

IN ADDITION TO BEING COMPELLED TO HAVING THE CITY'S TREE REMOVED FROM MY PROPERTY, I ALSO HAD TO PAY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO GET THE FENCE ITSELF REPAIRED.

THE CITY DENIED MY CLAIM FOR REIMBURSEMENT, CITING GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY.

IN THE PAST, THE CITY HAS ALSO TAKEN NO ACTION ON MY 311 REQUEST TO HAVE DANGEROUS STRAY DOGS REMOVED FROM PUBLIC STREETS.

THE CITY ROUTINELY BLOCKS ALL TRAFFIC TO ACCOMMODATE THE STATE FAIR, WHICH IS NOT A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT PURPOSE.

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DESPITE DESTROYING MY PRIVATE PROPERTY AND ABDICATING ITS DUTY TO SERVE DALLAS RESIDENTS, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAD THE AUDACITY TO ISSUE ME A CITATION FOR AN ALLEGED TRAFFIC VIOLATION.

TRAFFIC OFFENSES ARE STRICT LIABILITY CRIMES REQUIRING NO SHOWING OF INTENT NOR AN ACTUAL VICTIM.

SO THE CITIZENS GET STRICT LIABILITY, BUT THE GOVERNMENT GETS IMMUNITY TO DESTROY PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THE STATE OF TEXAS, WHICH IS THE NAME AND AUTHORITY UNDER WHICH TRAFFIC CITATIONS ARE ISSUED, IS USING THE LAW AS AN INSTRUMENT OF OPPRESSION TO ENSLAVE US ALL UNDER A THREAT OF PHYSICAL FORCE.

THE US SUPREME COURT IN, PLESSY VERSUS FERGUSON DEFINES SLAVERY AS THE ABSENCE OF A LEGAL RIGHT TO THE DISPOSAL OF HIS OWN PERSON, PROPERTY AND SERVICES.

WOMEN HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONTROL THEIR OWN REPRODUCTIVE FUNCTIONS, AND NONE OF US HAVE THE RIGHT TO DIE.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A RIGHT TO LIFE WITHOUT A CORRESPONDING RIGHT TO DIE.

THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS MADE MY LIFE A LIVING HELL, AND HAS TAKEN MY LIFE FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE, AS AN ABJECT SLAVE WITH NO MEANINGFUL AUTONOMY OR OWNERSHIP OVER MY OWN LIFE.

I CANNOT OWN PROPERTY IN A REAL SENSE, WHICH MEANS I SHOULD HAVE ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY FROM ALL CRIMES PUNISHABLE BY FINE.

ONLY A MASTER CANNOT SUE ITS OWN SLAVE.

A STATE CANNOT SUE ITSELF.

I WILL BE SUING THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THE DAMAGE TO MY FENCE.

AS TO THE TRAFFIC CITATION, I WILL APPEAL IT ALL THE WAY TO THE US SUPREME COURT IF NECESSARY.

THANK YOU.

THIS CONCLUDES YOUR FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

THE REMAINING SPEAKERS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE END OF CITY COUNCIL AT THE END OF THE CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS.

MR. MAYOR. LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR VOTING AGENDA THEN.

AGENDA ITEM ONE IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER 6TH, 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

[1. 24-134 Approval of Minutes of the December 6, 2023 City Council Meeting]

ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM TWO IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

[2. 24-139 Consideration of appointments to boards and commissions evaluation and duties of board and commission members nominees is available in the City Secretary's Office)]

THE OFFICER APPOINTMENT WILL BE CONSIDERED UNDER A SEPARATE VOTE TO ALLOW THE INDIVIDUAL TO BE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD BEFORE BEING APPOINTED AS AN OFFICER, AND ALSO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON THE INDIVIDUAL.

YOUR NOMINEES FOR INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT.

TO THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THOMAS FORSYTHE IS BEING NOMINATED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE AND OVERSIGHT BOARD.

JOHN MARK DAVIDSON IS BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR JOHNSON TO THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION.

MARK HOLMES IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

MR. HOLMES MEETS THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND REAL ESTATE LAW EXPERIENCE.

SPECIAL QUALIFICATIONS.

THE NEXT SIX INDIVIDUALS ARE BEING PRESENTED FOR NOMINATION BY THE CITY MANAGER BROADNAX TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION TECHNICAL PANEL, WHICH ARE NON-VOTING MEMBERS.

RITA BEVING.

MISS BEVING MEETS THE AIR QUALITY SPECIAL QUALIFICATION ALAN HOFFMAN.

MR. HOFFMAN MEETS THE BUILDING'S SPECIAL QUALIFICATION DAVID MARQUEZ.

MR. MARQUEZ MEETS THE WATER RESOURCES SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

KATHY. JACK.

MR. JACK MEETS THE ECOSYSTEM.

SPECIAL QUALIFICATION MARIA CALANDRO.

MR. CALANDRO MEETS THE TRANSPORTATION SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

AND MICHAEL MARTIN.

MR. MARTIN MEETS THE ENERGY SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.

TRACEWELL. LIVINGSTON. LIVINGSTON.

THE THIRD IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

MR. LIVINGSTON MEETS THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER.

SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE MUNICIPAL LIBRARY BOARD.

JERRY BAKER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART TO THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD.

CARMEN AYALA MEETS THE I'M SORRY.

IT'S BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO TO THE YOUTH COMMISSION.

JACOB MARTINEZ IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ YOUR NOMINEES FOR FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.

ALTERNATE MEMBERS ALLISON REEVES IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 13 BOARD.

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TODD ATKINS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA AND TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 15 BOARD, FORT WORTH AVENUE.

LINDA WISE IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MR. MAYOR. I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I DO HAVE ONE.

MAYOR. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ON THE ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS SLATE OF CANDIDATES.

I DO APPROVE A MOTION IN MY VOTE IS TO SUPPORT.

BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY SINCE MY NEW COMMISSIONER IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE HIM, MR. THOMAS, TOM FORSYTH, IF YOU WOULD JUST WAVE FOR US SO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE HERE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, THAT WE WILL BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT NEW ENERGY THAT'S COMING IN DISTRICT FOUR.

MAYOR. SO I'M VERY PROUD TO HAVE A HARD WORKER WHO'S BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY WHO SERVED, OAK PARK, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND HAS JUST BEEN VERY ACTIVE WITH OUR BOND COMMISSION AS WELL, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER, COMMITTEES THAT HAVE BEEN ROOTED IN COMMUNITY.

SO, MR. THOMAS FORREST, I WILL TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU AFTER AFTER I GET THROUGH OVER HERE ON THE SIDE.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL KNEW THAT MR. TOM FORSYTHE FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

MR. TOM. FORESIGHT.

FORESIGHT IS HERE.

THANK YOU. SO SUBTLE, SO SUBTLE.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE SLATE OF CANDIDATES THAT'S BEEN PUT FORWARD? I DON'T SEE ANY. SO.

OKAY, MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

I JUST WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD.

MY SON WAS NOMINATED TO RUN THE BOARD AT SALEM BAPTIST CHURCH, AND THAT'S ALL.

OKAY. DULY NOTED.

AND ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE SLATE IS APPROVED.

THANK YOU. YOUR OFFICER APPOINTMENT.

JOHN MARK DAVIDSON IS BEING NOMINATED CHAIR OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD BY MAYOR JOHNSON.

THIS IS YOUR NOMINEE.

THAT'S THE ITEM. OKAY.

NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.

NOTE MY ABSTENTION.

THANK YOU. NOTED. MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, YOUR BRIEFINGS CONTINUE.

[A. 24-170 2024 Bond Program Update]

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS TODAY.

THE FIRST ITEM TODAY RELATES TO 2024 BOND PROGRAM UPDATE.

AND THIS BRIEFING, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT JENNIFER NIGHSWANDER WILL BE UPDATING YOU ON THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM, FOLLOWING CITY COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE OF THE $1.25 BILLION BOND PROGRAM AND A MAY 2024 ELECTION, THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED. THIS PRESENTATION WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE BOND PROPOSITION ALLOCATIONS TO INCLUDE THE CITY COUNCIL'S PROGRAMING OF THE $75 MILLION OF DISTRICT SPECIFIC FUNDING, ELIGIBLE USES OF HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDING, AS WELL AS NEXT STEPS.

I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO JENNY FOR THE PRESENTATION.

ONE SECOND. FOR WHAT PURPOSE? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, DID YOU NEED SOMETHING OR YOUR LIGHT? IS YOUR LIGHT JUST STILL ON? OKAY. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING.

OKAY. GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY. GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JENNY NISWANDER.

I'M THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

AND TODAY WE WILL BE GOING OVER THE BACKGROUND.

THE PROPOSITION FUNDING ALLOCATIONS, PROJECTS BY PROPOSITION, THE ELIGIBLE USES WITHIN HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE BOND PROGRAM TIMELINE AND NEXT STEPS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THREE WEEKS AGO ON THE 19TH, THE A STRAW POLL CITY COUNCIL PROVIDED GUIDANCE FOR THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM, INCLUDED A $1.25 BILLION CAPACITY AND WORKING TOWARDS A MAY 2024 ELECTION.

LAST WEEK, AGAIN VIA STRAW POLL, CITY COUNCIL PROVIDED THE FUNDING ALLOCATIONS AT THE PROPOSITION LEVEL TO INCLUDE $75 MILLION IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SPECIFIC FUNDING, AND STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TO PROGRAM THAT $75 MILLION WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL PROPOSITIONS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE ALLOCATIONS OF THE COUNCIL.

THE SHOWS THE ALLOCATIONS WITH THE COUNCIL DISTRICT SPECIFIC FUNDING AT $75 MILLION.

AND YOU'LL KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED $61 MILLION FOR HOUSING AND $29.2 MILLION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHY THOSE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED IN A FEW SLIDES.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE CHANGES OF THE ALLOCATION AMOUNTS BY PROPOSITION WHEN THE COUNCIL DISTRICT SPECIFIC FUNDING

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NEXT SLIDE. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE DISTRIBUTION BY COUNCIL DISTRICT FOR THE COUNCIL DISTRICT SPECIFIC FUNDING THROUGHOUT THE PROPOSITIONS. BUT NEXT SLIDE.

SO BASED ON THE FUNDING ALLOCATIONS AT THE PROPOSITION LEVEL, STAFF HAS BEGUN THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

EXCUSE ME, HAS BEGUN DEVELOPING THE PROPOSED PROJECT LIST THIS WEEK.

WE WILL WORK TO CONTINUE.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL TO REFINE AND FINALIZE THE PROJECT LISTING BY THE END OF FEBRUARY.

NEXT SLIDE. SO THESE NEXT TWO SLIDES WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITIONS.

BOND COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED A REFINED GUIDANCE REGARDING THE ELIGIBLE EXPENDITURES FOR HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

HISTORICALLY, HOUSING HAS SAT IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION AND PASSED BOND PROGRAMS, AND OF THOSE HOUSING FUNDS, 40% HAVE BEEN USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE PROJECTS AND 60% HAS BEEN USED FOR GAP FINANCING.

SO IN THE TABLE, WE ARE SHOWING THAT 4,040% OR OF THE 61 MILLION IN THIS SIX FOR THIS, INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY CORRELATES TO 24.4 MILLION.

AND THE 60% GAP FINANCING CORRELATES TO THE 36.6 MILLION.

NEXT SLIDE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE REVISED ALLOCATIONS TO ALIGN WITH THE TRADITIONAL USE OF THE FUNDS.

AGAIN, 40% OF THE 61 MILLION OR THE 24.4 MILLION WILL REMAIN IN THE HOUSING PROP.

THE REMAINING OR 36.6 MILLION OR THE REMAINING 60% WILL BE MOVED TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROP AND ADDED TO THE 2120 9.2 MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATED BY STRAW POLL.

THE REVISED 2024 BOND ALLOCATION LEVELS BECOME 24.4 MILLION FOR THE HOUSING INFRASTRUCTURE PROP, AND 65.8 MILLION FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION, FOR A TOTAL OF 90.2.

WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE COUNCIL DISTRICT SPECIFIC FUNDING, THOSE AMOUNTS CHANGE TO 26.4 MILLION FOR HOUSING, 73.8 MILLION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FOR AND FOR A TOTAL OF $100.2 MILLION.

NEXT SLIDE. SO AS WE CONTINUE TOWARDS THE MAY ELECTION, TODAY'S COUNCIL BRIEFING WILL DISCUSS THE PROPOSITIONS.

AND FEBRUARY 14TH NEXT WEEK, CITY COUNCIL WILL CALL FOR A MAY ELECTION.

IN FEBRUARY.

WE WILL COMPLETE THE PROJECT LISTING PER PROPOSITION IN MARCH.

STAFF WILL FINALIZE THE FACTS AND INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS NEED THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE TOWN HALLS.

IN APRIL. WE'LL HAVE THE TOWN HALL INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS APRIL 22ND THROUGH THE 30TH IS EARLY VOTING AND MAY 4TH IS ELECTION DAY.

AND WITH THAT WE WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, MEMBERS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR 531 DISCUSSION PER USUAL.

SO GO AHEAD AND QUEUE ON UP.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

JAYNIE. WITH REFERENCE TO SLIDE EIGHT, THE.

I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT DIVERSION, BUT THE SEPARATION OF FUNDS FOR HOUSING VERSUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE STATEMENT THAT HISTORICALLY, 40% OF HOUSING FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND 60% OF HOUSING FUNDS HAVE PROVIDED GAP FINANCING.

SO IF WE TRADITIONALLY HAVE USED HOUSING FUNDS FOR GAP FINANCING, WHY DOES THE BOND HAVE TO REALLOCATE GAP FINANCING FUNDS FROM HOUSING TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? CYNTHIA ELLICKSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN.

I BELIEVE THE REASON WE HAVE TO SEPARATE IT IS BECAUSE HOUSING IS THE HOUSING.

INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE ONLY HOUSING ACTIVITY THAT CAN BE DONE WITH UNDER THE HOUSING, UNDER THE HOUSING CATEGORY.

SO INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BE DONE THERE.

THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES, WHICH IS GAP FINANCING, HAS TO BE DONE WITH UNDER THE 380 AGREEMENT.

AND THAT'S UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE REASON WE CAME UP WITH THE 40% AND 60% WHEN WE RECEIVE BOND FUNDING BEFORE 2017, HISTORICALLY, WE SHARED AN ALLOCATION WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND HISTORICALLY, LOOKING BACK AT ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE DID WITH THE SPLIT FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED WITH THEM, 40% OF THOSE DOLLARS WERE USED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND 60% OF THEM WERE USED FOR GAP FINANCING ON CONSTRUCTION.

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IT THAT'S WHERE HOUSING SHARED A PROPOSITION WITH ECO.

OKAY. SO THE STATEMENT HERE ON PAGE EIGHT THAT 60% OF HOUSING FUNDS HAS PROVIDED GAP FINANCING SHOULD REALLY READ 60% OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS HAVE PROVIDED GAP FINANCING.

I'M CONFUSED BY THE USE OF THE HOUSING FUNDS BEING SPLIT 4060 WITHIN HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT. SO THE WAY THE PROPOSITION WAS, WAS WRITTEN HISTORICALLY WAS THAT HOUSING CONSTRUCTION WAS AN ELIGIBLE ACTIVITY UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IT'S WRITTEN THE WAY THAT IT IS HERE IN THIS, IN THIS PRESENTATION.

OKAY. SO IF WE DO THAT BIFURCATION, WILL THE FUNDS, THE 36.6 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR GAP FINANCING, WILL THAT BE EARMARKED WITHIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT'S PROPOSITION FOR THAT PURPOSE TO SUPPORT HOUSING? SO I'D HAVE TO, ASK THE BOND OFFICE IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN THE PROPOSITION.

BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, LIKE WE HISTORICALLY HAVE TO EARMARK THOSE DOLLARS FOR HOUSING ACTIVITIES.

OKAY. BECAUSE IF WE REALLY WANT THAT MONEY TO GO TO SUPPORT HOUSING, I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT DIVERTED TO SOME OTHER USE UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER IN THE HOUSING PROPOSITION.

JENNIFER, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? SO WE WOULD TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, AND CERTAINLY IF THAT 60% SPLIT WANTS TO BE DEDICATED TO HOUSING, WE COULD PUT A LINE ITEM LIKE WE DO WITH THE PROJECT LISTING AND INDICATE THAT THAT WAS FOR HOUSING PURPOSES ONLY.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO.

SO THAT WE ENSURE THAT THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO SUPPORT HOUSING IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HOUSING.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THIS WILL IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. SO TO FOLLOW UP THE 4060 SPLIT, IS THAT BASED ON WE WE HAD TO TAKE FROM HISTORICAL PRACTICE AND OVERLAY THAT HERE.

AND DOES THAT ALIGN WITH IF THAT'S THE CASE, DOES THAT ALIGN WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WHAT WE NEED? YES. COUNCILWOMAN FOR THE FIRST QUESTION.

AND YES, IT DOES ALIGN WITH WHAT WE NEED.

THAT'S HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE.

EVEN IN 2006 AND 2012.

IT SEEMS TO FOLLOW THAT PATTERN IN THE TYPES OF REQUESTS THAT WE RECEIVE.

SO WE DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT WOULD CHANGE.

OKAY. AND THEN I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE BOND COUNCIL SEEMED A LITTLE ANXIOUS MAYBE ON SOME OF THIS.

SO WHAT WAS SAID WAS ANSWERED WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE ANSWERED? WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO FILL IN? NO. JUST THE OH, NO, I MEAN, OH, I'M SORRY.

BOND COUNSEL IN THE GALLERY.

I WAS READING YOUR BODY LANGUAGE WHEN THE DISCUSSION WAS GOING ON, AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO IMPART TO THE BODY.

JULIE PARTAIN BOND COUNSEL? NO, MA'AM. SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION CORRECTLY.

THE HOUSING PROPOSITION NEEDS TO BE INFRASTRUCTURE ONLY.

WE HAVE AN OVERARCHING STATE LAW THAT SAYS YOU ISSUE BONDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

THE EXCEPTION TO THAT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNDER 380.

SO I THINK WHAT SHE WAS SAYING WAS HISTORICALLY, IN THE PAST THEY HAVE PULLED IT FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THIS YEAR THEY WANTED TO SORT OF GROUP ALL OF THE HOUSING TOGETHER AND ALL THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU THINK OF FUNDING IT.

BUT UNDER STATE LAW, YOU CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY.

SO YOUR PROGRAMS FOR HOUSING INCENTIVES AND LOANS AND GRANTS WILL NEED TO BE A PART OF YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY, AND YOU'LL PULL IT FROM THERE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE HISTORICALLY DONE THERE.

THEY WANTED TO GROUP IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT THEY CAN'T WE CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY UNDER STATE LAW.

ALL RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN.

STUART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

WE'VE ASKED A LOT OF TIMES, IT SEEMS TO ME AROUND THE HORSESHOE ABOUT WHAT WERE THE PLANS FOR THE HOUSING DOLLARS.

AND IT'S CURIOUS TO ME THAT THIS IS JUST COMING UP NOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW THIS NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED IN THE PROPOSITIONS GOING FORWARD.

I WOULD JUST ASK THAT GOING IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU COULD GIVE US ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN POSSIBLY THINK OF EARLIER IN THE PROCESS, I THINK THAT COULD HELP US AS WE MAKE DECISIONS AND HAVE OUR CONVERSATIONS AND DELIBERATIONS.

THIS FEELS.

I KNOW IT FEELS LIKE NEW INFORMATION COMING LATE IN THE CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU. STILL LOOKING.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

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SO MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

[B. 24-282 ForwardDallas Comprehensive Land Use Plan Update]

THE FOLLOWING BRIEFING IS TO PROVIDE A STATUS UPDATE ON THE FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE LAND USE PLAN.

THE PLANNING PROCESS OFFICIALLY KICKED OFF IN THE FALL OF 2021, AND STAFF HAS BEEN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS TALKING WITH FOLKS ABOUT LAND USE, WHAT LAND USE IS, AND THEIR VISION FOR DIFFERENT PLACES WITHIN THE CITY.

THE FIRST FULL DRAFT OF THE PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

THE COMMITTEE COMPLETED ITS REVIEW OF THE DRAFT PLAN AND MADE ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE CPC IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

CPC HAD ITS FIRST BRIEFING ON THE DRAFT PLAN ON FEBRUARY 1ST, AND STAFF IS HERE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS, THOUGH I DON'T SEE THEM COMING TO THE PODIUM.

SO IF THE IF THE PLANNING STAFF COULD START MAKING THEIR WAY.

OKAY. THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY. ALL RIGHT.

AS SOON AS THE STAFF IS HERE, THEY WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PLAN AND WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT AT THIS TIME.

WE'LL WAIT FOR MISS, GILES AND, THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, AND THEN WE'LL START AS SOON AS SHE GETS HERE.

MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY.

OKAY, LET'S STAND AT EASE FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

AWAY SHE COMES. HERE SHE IS.

COME ON UP. ANDREA.

I THINK AS STAFF ANTICIPATED THE FIRST ITEM GOING A LITTLE LONGER.

SO. ANDREW, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE INTRODUCTION.

SO IT'S YOUR SHOW AND YOU'RE READY TO GO.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

APOLOGIES I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO GO A LOT LONGER.

WELL THANK YOU FOR THE PAUSE.

ANDREW GILLIS WITH PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

I'M THE INTERIM DIRECTOR.

I ALSO HAVE WITH ME LAWRENCE OGUZ, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER MANAGER FOR FORWARD DALLAS.

SO WE'RE HERE THIS MORNING TO PROVIDE A LARGELY AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

WE SORT OF REACHED A LARGE HURDLE IN JANUARY AND MOVED THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN OUT OF COMMITTEE, THE CPC COMMITTEE. IT WAS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, WHAT, MAYBE TWO YEARS IN ONE CAPACITY OR ANOTHER WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS A COMMITTEE OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

IT WAS A AT LEAST 12 MEMBER COMMITTEE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MOVE.

THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE IT ON TO CPC IN JANUARY.

SO WE THOUGHT WE'D COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF WHERE WE'RE AT, SOME OF THE BIG HIGHLIGHTS IN THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN, AND WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS FOR FORWARD DALLAS.

THERE'S I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND ENGAGEMENT TO BE HAD.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SORT OF GIVING A CHECK IN POINT RIGHT NOW ON THE PLAN.

SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

ACTUALLY, WE CAN PROBABLY GO THROUGH A FEW OF THE SLIDES NEXT SLIDE.

SO I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY GO OVER WHAT FORWARD DALLAS IS, WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT IS NOT.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AGAIN, WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, SOME OF THE MAJOR, THE PLAN COMPONENTS, I THINK SOME THINK MAYBE THERE'S JUST A MAP, SOME THINK THAT THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN TEXT.

SO WE KIND OF WANT TO GO OVER ALL OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN, HOW THE PLAN CAN BE USED TO HELP YOU DO YOUR WORK AND HELP WITH POLICY IN THE CITY, AND THEN WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

NEXT SLIDE. AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE RELATIVELY QUICKLY BECAUSE I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THESE A LITTLE BIT AS WELL IN IN THE BRIEFING LAST WEEK.

BUT I DO JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHAT FORWARD DALLAS IS IT'S A LAND USE PLAN WHICH IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT.

IT'S NOT A REGULATORY DOCUMENT.

SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP EMPHASIZING THAT THERE IS A DISTINGUISHED DIS, DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO, ITEMS. SO FORWARD DALLAS LAND USE, IT'S THE GUIDING VISION DOCUMENT.

AND THEN WE HAVE ZONING, LAND USE AND FORM ZONING, BUT IT'S NOT ZONING.

SO ANY TIME THAT WE WOULD, FORWARD DALLAS MAY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT CERTAIN ZONING ISSUES, BUT IN ORDER FOR THAT TO ACTUALLY BE APPLIED AND TAKE PLACE, A SEPARATE PROCESS NEEDS TO OCCUR FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

AND WITH THAT SEPARATE PROCESS, IT INVOLVES COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SEVERAL NEXT STEPS IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, AND I DO JUST WANT TO SET THIS ON THE TABLE AS WELL.

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IN FACT, IT VERY MUCH TALKS ABOUT HOW THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THE PREDOMINANT LAND USE IS SINGLE FAMILY AND IT WILL REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY.

NOW, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I THINK THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, GIVEN THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION, TO LOOK AT HOW WE MASSAGE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE THE INTENT AND THE PURPOSE MORE CLEAR.

SO WITHIN SOME OF OUR PLACE TYPES, OUR FUTURE LAND USE DESCRIPTIONS, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME ADJUSTMENTS, AND THAT IS PARTLY WHAT WE WILL NOW TAKE UP WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

THAT STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND HELP WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE WAYS THAT WE CAN MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.

AND THE PURPOSE AND THE INTENT BEHIND ANY OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MORE CLEAR WITHIN THE PLAN.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO TO STARTING TO WORK ON THAT WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

NEXT NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND THEN REALLY IN A LAND USE PLAN, IT DOESN'T PRESCRIBE ONE SPECIFIC ANSWER.

WE TALK ABOUT IN LAND USE, WE TALK REALLY ABOUT A RANGE OF POSSIBILITIES.

WHAT ARE THE RANGE OF POSSIBILITIES? WE TRY TO PUT BUMPERS ON THE DIFFERENT LAND USES.

RIGHT. SO THAT WE CAN AVOID SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN INDUSTRIAL REQUEST WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WE WANT TO PROVIDE A LAND USE FRAMEWORK THAT SAYS, NO, YOU CAN ONLY GO THIS FAR. YOU CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS IN BETWEEN, BUT YOU CAN ONLY GO THIS FAR.

BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SAY YOU CAN ONLY DO THIS ONE THING.

SO WITH LAND USE, IT'S GENERALLY TRYING TO PROVIDE A RANGE OF OPTIONS WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A CONTEXT.

SO AND IT LAYS OUT THAT FUTURE GUIDANCE.

WHEREAS WHEN AGAIN WHEN YOU GET A ZONING CASE IT'S REALLY DOWN TO ONE SPECIFIC THING.

IT'S USUALLY ONE THAT ONE SPECIFIC USE.

AND IT HAS ALL THE RULES FOR THAT ONE SPECIFIC USE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WHY FORWARD DALLAS? I'LL GO OVER THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

I HOPE AT THIS POINT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

BUT JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS.

BUT WE CHOSE YOU KNOW, WE PICKED OUT THESE THREE PRIMARY REASONS RIGHT NOW THAT THE PROJECTED GROWTH, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF GROWTH WITHIN WITHIN THE CITY AND WITHIN THE REGION OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, REALLY IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, BUT DEFINITELY OVER THE NEXT TWO, FIVE, TEN, 20 YEARS.

AND SO WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE STRATEGIC ABOUT THAT GROWTH.

AND IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, RIGHT.

IT'S ALSO COMMERCIAL GROWTH.

HOW DO WE WANT TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

HOW DO WE NEED TO PLAN FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE? THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO GROWTH THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE STRATEGIC ABOUT IT AND HOW WE DIRECT, WHERE WE WANT OUR GROWTH TO HAPPEN, WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN.

AND THEN THINK ABOUT HOW INFRASTRUCTURE FOLLOWS THAT, OR EVEN WHEN INFRASTRUCTURE LEADS IT.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF AGING AND PIECEMEAL LAND USE POLICY.

SO ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE THE NEXT TWO SLIDES.

THANK YOU. SO IN THIS SLIDE THIS IS SORT OF A COMPOSITE SLIDE OF OUR LAND USE PLANS OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES.

THE ENTIRE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A LAND USE PLAN.

THERE ARE BIG, BIG CHUNKS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO LAND USE GUIDANCE.

SO WHEN YOU ALL GET ZONING CASES, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT IN THESE AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE LAND USE POLICY BECAUSE YOU KIND OF START FROM SCRATCH.

AND WHAT IS YOUR BASELINE JUSTIFICATION FOR SAYING THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE HERE OR THIS IS APPROPRIATE HERE, ESPECIALLY IF MAYBE A CASE GOT APPROVED TWO WEEKS AGO THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR, AND NOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE COME UP, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OVERARCHING VISION GUIDANCE.

IT CAN BECOME VERY DIFFICULT.

SO A LAND USE PLAN CAN HELP YOU DO THAT.

IT AND IT, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING TO USE WHEN CONSIDERING A ZONING CASE OR A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

RIGHT? I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL CONSTRICTED BY IT.

IT HELPS LAY OUT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD, SOLID FOUNDATION.

BUT THEN WHEN IT GETS TO CPC AND WHEN IT GETS TO CITY COUNCIL, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE FACTORED INTO A DECISION.

BUT AS PLANNERS, THE FIRST QUESTION I ASK IS LIKE, OKAY, I GET A ZONING CASE, WHAT IS THE PLAN SAY? AND THAT'S WHERE WE START FROM, AND THEN WE BUILD FROM THERE.

SO REALLY, WHY FORWARD? DALLAS IS BECAUSE A BIG PORTION OF THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THAT BASELINE GUIDANCE.

SO EVERY SINGLE TIME WE'RE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, OR IF THEY DO HAVE THAT BASELINE LAND USE GUIDANCE, IT MAY BE 30 YEARS OLD.

AND WE KNOW THAT OUR CITY IS VERY DIFFERENT TODAY THAN IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO IN A LOT OF AREAS, SOME AREAS VERY MUCH THE SAME.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE CITY IS COVERED WITH AT LEAST THIS FOUNDATION OF LAND USE GUIDANCE.

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AND THEN AGAIN, THIS KIND OF GOES INTO THAT.

SO THIS THE MAP TO THE RIGHT SORT OF GIVES YOU A COMPOSITE OF THE DRAFT AND SHOWING HOW THE ENTIRE CITY WOULD HAVE THAT GUIDANCE.

SO IT DOES IT PROVIDES A LOT OF FRAMEWORK FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION.

AND THEN IT ALSO PROVIDES WAYS IN WHICH PEOPLE CONTINUE TO CAN CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.

HOW YOU CAN USE THIS PLAN, HOW WE CAN KEEP OURSELVES IN CHECK.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ACTION PLAN AT THE END OF IT TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE TO THE WORK THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO BE DOING.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THE OTHER REASON FOR WHY FORWARD DALLAS ISN'T EVEN JUST FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COVERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF RECENTLY ADOPTED CITYWIDE PLANS THAT ACTUALLY REFER TO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO IN ORDER FOR THOSE PLANS AND DEPARTMENTS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR WORK, THEY'RE ANTICIPATING AND WAITING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN TO BE UPDATED AND ADOPTED BY THE CITY.

SO I JUST WANT TO REFERENCE WE'VE HAD IN.

SO IN A TRADITIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY USUALLY HAVE ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS.

THEY HAVE A HOUSING ELEMENT, A TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, AN ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENT, A HISTORIC RESOURCES ELEMENT, ALL WITHIN ONE DOCUMENT.

THIS FORWARD DALLAS IS JUST THE LAND USE PIECE OF THAT.

IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS, WE'VE TAKEN ALL OF THOSE PIECES AND INDEPENDENTLY ADOPTED PLANS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

SO THE 2006 PLAN, THE FORWARD DALLAS 2006 PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED, IT HAD ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS.

NOW WE'VE TAKEN THEM OUT AND SEPARATED THEM OUT INTO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.

WE HAVE OUR OWN DALLAS HOUSING POLICY, 2023 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE MOBILITY PLAN, C CAP.

ALL OF THOSE HAVE NOW BEEN INDIVIDUALLY ADOPTED.

THEY ALL SPEAK TO FORWARD DALLAS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, SOME OF THEM PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.

C CAP, THE HOUSING PLAN AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN SPEAK TO THE NEED FOR A LAND USE PLAN.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST GIVE A COUPLE OF SNIPPETS TO THAT.

SO NOT ONLY ARE WE DOING A LAND USE PLAN FOR THE CITY, WE'RE ALSO HONORING THOSE OTHER ADOPTED CITYWIDE POLICIES THAT CALL FOR THIS AS WELL. AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THIS THAT THE FORWARD DALLAS LAND USE POLICIES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THOSE PLANS AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEAMLESSLY IN OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING TOGETHER.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, YOU KNOW, IT SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO FORWARD DALLAS AND HOW IT NEEDS MIXED USE LAND USES AND HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND PROPOSED ZONING TO INCREASE WALKABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO HOW DO WE TAKE THOSE TYPES OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THOSE PLANS AND THEN TRANSLATE THEM INTO A LAND USE DOCUMENT? AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AGAIN, SAME THING WITH THE HOUSING POLICY.

SPEAKS TO FORWARD DALLAS ABOUT INCREASING HOUSING PRODUCTION OF HOUSING IN A TARGETED MANNER THAT ALIGNS WITH THOSE GOALS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS JUST A SMALL SNIPPET.

IF YOU GO THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY, IT ACTUALLY REFERS TO LAND USE AND FORWARD DALLAS MULTIPLE TIMES WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT.

AND REALLY TRYING TO USE IT IN OUR LAND USE POLICIES TO HEIGHTEN JOB CREATION AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL AND IN TANDEM WITH REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS OF AGING COMMERCIAL CENTERS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THE MOBILITY PLAN INCORPORATE MOBILITY METRICS SUCH AS IMPACT TO VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED AND MODE SPLIT AS KEY INDICATORS OF THE LAND USE SCENARIOS TO BE EXPLORED IN THE UPCOMING REVISION OF THE FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN C CAP.

C CAP HAS A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.

AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP A LAND USE STRATEGY IN THE UPCOMING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PAIR WITH THE STRATEGIC MOST STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN AND C CAP GOALS, TO ADOPT POLICY TO REDUCE TRANSPORTATION, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

SO ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS, WE COMBED THROUGH THESE OTHER PLANS AS WELL, THAT HAVE RECENTLY BEEN ADOPTED TO MAKE SURE THAT FORWARD DALLAS IS SPEAKING TO THOSE PLANS AS WELL. AND I SHOULD ALSO SAY THAT NOT ONLY DID WE DO THESE, DO THIS WITH THE RECENTLY ADOPTED PLANS, WE ALSO TOOK THE OLDER LAND USE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES.

WE THAT WAS OUR BASELINE MAP WHEN STARTING AND FORWARD DALLAS WE TRANSLATED THAT ALL INTO ONE MAP, THE COMPOSITE MAP THAT YOU SAW, AND THEN STARTED DOING AN ANALYSIS TO GET US TO THE NEXT STEP AND FORWARD.

DALLAS NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WHERE ARE WE AT IN THE PROCESS? I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AT THE BEGINNING.

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SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WHAT I CAN SAY IS WHEN I SAY THAT WE MET WITH A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANNING COMMITTEE, WE REALLY MET WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE 31 TIMES.

AND I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 31 TIMES IS A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

AND THERE WILL BE A SLIDE ON THIS AS WELL AS SORT OF THE ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, WAS REALLY GETTING THE DOING THE GROUNDWORK FOR EDUCATING ABOUT LAND USE.

I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH ZONING.

WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION AROUND LAND USE AND HOW IT CAN BE USED.

SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEIR CHARGE WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF DOING THE VISIONING THAT WE DID WITH THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, SPEAKING IN BROADER TERMS. SO BY THE TIME WE GOT TO WHEN WE REALLY KICKED INTO GEAR WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE IS IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WHEN WE BROUGHT THEM THE FIRST FULL DRAFT OF FORWARD DALLAS.

SO THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT IN AND OF ITSELF, THAT THEY COULD START COMBING THROUGH AND TALKING ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE MAP AND, YOU KNOW, THE PLACE TYPES. WE DID A LOT, SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE PLACE TYPES, WITHIN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

SO THEY HAVE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE WAS MADE UP OF A VERY DIVERSE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS FROM VARIOUS SECTORS OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THOSE WITH AN EQUITY LENS, THOSE WITH AN EDUCATION LENS, TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES IN THIS PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

WE ALSO MET WITH.

WE ALSO ESTABLISHED A TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.

SO THAT WAS INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS, ALL OF OUR PARTNER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS EXTERNAL AGENCIES.

SO DART THE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICTS MAKING SURE THAT THEY WERE AWARE OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS PLAN.

AND THEN SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WEIGHING IN OR WORKING WITH THEM ON THEIR APPLICABLE AREAS OF EXPERTISE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SOME TRANSPORTATION RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE.

SO WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, DART IN OUR INTERNAL FOLKS WITH TRANSPORTATION TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE THAT NOT ONLY DID THE RECOMMENDATIONS MAKE SENSE BUT THAT THEY WERE IMPLEMENTABLE.

RIGHT. WE HAVE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND A LOT OF PLANS THAT ARE YOU KNOW, THEY SOUND GREAT.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU REALLY START TALKING TO THE DEPARTMENTS THAT NEED TO IMPLEMENT OR PARTNER WITH PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT THEM, IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OCCURRED.

WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THEM.

NEXT UP NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO ALSO, WHAT HAVE WE DONE FROM AN ENGAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE? I WILL SAY THAT WE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WE ACTUALLY STEPPED BACK, ON THIS PLAN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY SCOPED. I KNOW THE PLAN WAS NOT ORIGINALLY SCOPED TO DO THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WE DECIDED IT NEEDED AFTER OUR FIRST COUPLE DISCUSSIONS.

AND SO WE TOOK A STEP BACK AND REALLY COMMITTED TO THINKING ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF ENGAGEMENT WE NEEDED TO DO AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE OUT AND ABOUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WE WERE GOING TO PEOPLE.

WE WERE NOT WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO US, AND WE WERE GOING TO PEOPLE THAT WE KNEW HAD NOT TRADITIONALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.

THAT WAS ONE OF OUR AREAS OF FOCUS AND ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES.

SO WE SET UP, YOU KNOW, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE WELL DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO WE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, WE'VE BEEN OUT A LOT.

I WILL SAY THAT I HAVE GOT TO GIVE KUDOS TO OUR STAFF.

WE HAVE A LEAN AND MEAN STAFF AND THEY WERE OUT ALMOST OFTENTIMES EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK AT SOME EVENT AND RARELY TURNED DOWN AN EVENT TO TALK TO SOMEBODY.

SO WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS PLAN.

AND JUST A LOT OF YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WAY FROM INTERNAL, YOU KNOW, IN PERSON TO VIRTUAL TO INTERACTIVE WEBSITE.

A LOT OF THIS ALSO WAS WE KNEW THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T.

IT'S HARD TO THINK ABOUT THIS FROM A CITY WIDE SCALE AND NOT JUST MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE HAD TO SORT OF BRIDGE THE GAP ON THOSE TWO AND THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO ENGAGE AND ALSO ENGAGE PEOPLE WHO NOW KIND OF LIVE ON THEIR PHONES.

RIGHT. AND EITHER ONE DON'T WANT TO GO TO A MEETING OR TWO, DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO TO A MEETING.

SO, YOU KNOW, THANKFULLY WE HAVE LAWRENCE, WHO IS VERY TECHNOLOGICALLY SAVVY AND ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN THAT PIECE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ALSO HAD A WEB PRESENCE WHERE PEOPLE COULD FIND THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PLAN AS WELL, AND NOT ONLY FIND THE INFORMATION, BUT PROVIDE COMMENTS ABOUT THE PLAN ON THAT

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SO SHIFTING GEARS A LITTLE BIT TO THE MAJOR PLAN COMPONENT.

SO AFTER ALL OF THAT ENGAGEMENT, OBVIOUSLY AT A CERTAIN POINT WE HAD TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE HAD ALL THESE MEETINGS, NOW WE NEED TO COMPILE.

WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE IT'S ONE THING TO TALK IN THE ABSTRACT ABOUT WHAT LAND USE IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY? PEOPLE NOW NEED TO START SEEING STUFF IN PRINT AND THEY NEED TO START SEEING STUFF ON A MAP.

SO WE STARTED FUNNELING DOWN EVERYTHING.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

INTO SOME SORT OF REALLY THREE COMPONENTS OF THE MAP.

AND I'M SORRY, THE PLAN IN A RELATIVELY WE WANTED TO A LOT OF PLANS.

I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN THEM A LOT OF LAND USE PLANS, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

THERE ARE ABOUT FOUR, YOU KNOW, 200 PAGES, TEXT HEAVY.

WHO IS GOING THROUGH THAT? I MEAN, I'M A PLANNER.

THIS IS MY THING.

I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF THOSE.

I REGRET IT.

YOU KNOW, I IT WAS LIKE, THAT IS THE TYPICAL THAT IS GOING TO SIT ON A SHELF.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS A MORE USER FRIENDLY DOCUMENT, AND WE WERE NOT PUTTING EVERYTHING IN THE KITCHEN SINK INTO IT.

NOW IT GROWS, AS YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE HEAR WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE IN IT, BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE THIS AS SIMPLIFIED AND USER FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT STILL PROVIDING ENOUGH OF THE INFORMATION SO THAT YOU GET THE GUIDANCE THAT YOU NEED.

SO WE WHITTLED IT DOWN TO AFTER ALL OF THE ENGAGEMENT AND ALL THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE OUR LAND USE THEMES.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THOSE BEFORE.

I WILL SAY OUR BIGGEST TOPICS, AND THEY'RE STILL OUR BIGGEST DRIVING TOPICS FOR THIS PLAN IS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY, PARTICULARLY ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, REALLY MAKING IT A PRIORITY TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF OUR ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR DECADES IN THAT AREA, REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS IT HEAD ON IN THIS LAND USE PLAN.

AND THERE ARE A LOT THERE ARE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS STILL TO BE MADE.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME OF THEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY.

SO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS MAY COME TO YOU EVEN ON THE DAY OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE FINAL PLAN COMES TO YOU, PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT A PLACE TYPE IS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG IT'S A BIG CONCEPT, BUT IT REALLY IT COMES DOWN TO A PLACE TYPE IS DESCRIBING A PLACE.

WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS OF AN AREA THAT MAKE UP A PLACE? WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON A CORNER SOMEWHERE AND LOOKING AROUND, YOU KNOW, OR YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD SOMEWHERE, WHAT ARE YOU WHAT ARE THE PIECES OF THAT AREA THAT MAKE UP THAT PLACE? IT'S NOT JUST USUALLY ONE HOUSE.

IT'S NOT JUST USUALLY ONE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.

IT'S NOT JUST USUALLY ONE OFFICE.

IT'S USUALLY A MIX OF THOSE.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON A CITYWIDE SCALE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PLACES AS JUST EITHER ONE COMMERCIAL CENTER OR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ONE OFFICE PARK.

USUALLY IT'S AT A SCALE BIGGER THAN THAT.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE EACH PLACE TYPE IS ALMOST LIKE AN AREA PLAN SCALE OR A COMMUNITY PLAN SCALE, NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN SCALE.

SO THAT'S WHY PLACE TYPES HAVE A MIX OF USES IN THEM, BECAUSE PLACES GENERALLY, GENUINELY OR GENERALLY ARE DEFINED AND DISTINCT BY THE DIFFERENT USES THAT MAKE THEM UP.

SO AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S BASED ON SCALE.

SOME OF THEM ARE VERY, VERY LOW SCALED.

SO WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, OUR SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL, SOME OF OUR MORE RURAL.

WE STILL HAVE RURAL AREAS IN THE CITY, BUT EVEN OUR RURAL AREAS, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN THE KLEBERG'S, THEY'RE LIKE, WE STILL DO WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO SERVICES.

WE WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE SHOPPING.

SO HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE THAT RURAL CHARACTER WHILE STILL TALK ABOUT HOW YOU ACCESS SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL USES? OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH CPC.

I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME MASSAGING OF SOME OF THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE THE INTENT AND THE PURPOSE CLEAR, MORE CLEAR.

THERE ARE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES TO POTENTIALLY ADJUST IN EACH OF THE PLACE TYPES WE HAVE, WHAT PRIMARY USES ARE, AND THEN WE HAVE WHAT SUPPORTING USES ARE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT, WHAT THOSE DISTINCTIONS ARE, BECAUSE I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONCERN OVER SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE ACTUALLY, SUPPORTING USES AND CAN BE POTENTIALLY INCORPORATED INTO A PLACE TYPE AT A VERY LIMITED LEVEL VERSUS THE PRIMARY USES THAT MAY BE MORE PROMINENT.

AND I THINK AND WE ARE STILL AT THE POINT OF THE DRAFT PHASE WHERE WE CAN PLAY AROUND WITH THAT MIX.

NOTHING IS SET IN STONE YET, SO I THINK WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO PLAY AROUND WITH WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY USES IN THIS PLACE TYPE VERSUS THE SECONDARY USES, AND WE CAN MAKE SOME

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WE HAVE A GROUPING OF MIXED USE LAND USES, PLACE TYPES WITHIN THIS THAT THE REALLY LARGELY THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN, SAY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE UP TO THE REGIONAL MIXED USE IS THE SCALE.

YOU CAN IMAGINE AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY 1 TO 2, MAYBE UP TO FOUR IN CERTAIN AREAS IF YOU'RE ON A LARGER.

CORRIDOR AND MIXING OF USES.

BUT GENERALLY REALLY YOU'RE SERVING IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE REGIONAL MIXED USE.

WHEN YOU THINK OF REGION, IT'S A REGIONAL DRAW.

WHO'S YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROBABLY DRIVING INTO THAT.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE REGION AS WELL AS LOCALLY TO BE ABLE TO USE THOSE USES.

THE OTHER GROUPING OF PLACE TYPES, I WILL SAY THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE, WE PROBABLY SPENT WHAT LAWRENCE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR TIME ON WERE THE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES, AND THEN TEARING OFF THE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES INTO.

WE NEED SOMETHING THAT INDICATES WHERE AREAS THAT NEED TO WE WANT TO INDICATE A TRANSITION AWAY FROM PRIMARY INDUSTRIAL, AND MAYBE WE WANT THEM TO MOVE INTO MORE OF A COMMERCIAL TYPE USE.

BUT THERE STILL MIGHT BE SMALLER WAREHOUSES, BUT THEY'RE NOT WAREHOUSES THAT YOU THINK OF THAT ARE GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC TO POTENTIALLY HAVE SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT THIS, WE'VE GOT TRANSITIONS IN AREAS WHERE WE NOW PREDOMINANTLY HAVE LIKE ARTIST AND MAKER SPACES.

WELL, THOSE USED TO BE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, BUT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THE USES INSIDE THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC TO BE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT A PLACE TYPE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE ALSO HAVE A HUGE LOGISTICS ISSUE IN THIS IN THE CITY.

AT ONE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS DOES THAT GO INTO MORE OF A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF PLACE TYPE LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL HUB? THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE WANTED TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN OUR MORE LOGISTIC HUB AREAS, BECAUSE WE PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE WERE SEEING THESE IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, MORE SO IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY THAN OTHERS.

SO HOW DO WE DISTINGUISH THOSE USES FROM OTHER USES? SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS OUR INDUSTRIAL USES MOVING FORWARD, AND HOW BEST TO POINT TO AREAS WHERE WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE THESE USES CAN GO VERSUS WHERE WE NEED TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM THAT.

AND FINALLY, GETTING TO THE POINT OF HAVING THAT STRATEGIC VISION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND TO FALL BACK ON.

AND I THINK THIS GOES INTO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, I JUST REALIZED I'LL FINISH THIS UP.

BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT SORT OF HOW THERE'S A PORTION OF THIS ABOUT HOW TO USE THE PLAN.

AND SO I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES.

AND THEN MAYBE SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE FLEX COMMERCIAL.

THE FLEX COMMERCIAL IS UTILIZED IN AREAS A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN INDUSTRIAL OR THERE'S A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL MIXING.

SO WE ARE INDICATING WITH THIS PLACE TYPE WE NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THIS IS AN AREA THAT NEEDS TO MOVE AWAY FROM SHIFT THE PREDOMINANCE OF INDUSTRIAL USES TO SOMETHING ELSE.

AND SO WHEN WE HAVE A PLACE LIKE PLACE TYPE LIKE THAT, THAT CAN GIVE US THE NOD TO THINK ABOUT REZONINGS, BECAUSE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS TOO IS THE THAT PLACE TYPE COVERS A LOT OF AREAS THAT HAVE NEVER GONE THROUGH A REZONING TO UPDATE THE ZONING ON THE GROUND BASED ON CHANGING CONDITIONS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

SO WE'RE WE ALSO NEED TO USE OUR PLACE TYPES TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE NEED TO REZONE IN THE FUTURE.

AND TWO WAYS OF REZONING, RIGHT.

SOME OF IT CAN BE CITY INITIATED.

THIS IS WHERE THE CITY IS SAYING, WE'VE GOT A ZONING ISSUE BECAUSE OUR LAND USE SAYS IT SHOULD BE THIS, AND THE LAND USE DOES NOT MATCH THE ZONING ON THE GROUND.

SO THEN THE CITY NEEDS TO GO OUT AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TARGET OUR CITY INITIATED REZONINGS.

OR IF YOU'RE A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, MAYBE THE CITY IS NOT GOING OUT AND DOING ANYTHING.

THERE ARE SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE IT COULD GO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S NOT AN INCOMPATIBLE INCOMPATIBILITY ISSUE PER SE.

THAT'S WHERE YOU LEAVE IT TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO COME THROUGH AND REQUEST AN APPLICATION, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS.

EITHER BOTH WILL GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE CHANGE FROM PROPERTY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WILL AS WELL.

SO WE'VE GOT THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.

THEN WE HAVE THE PLACE TYPE MAP, WE HAVE THE DESCRIPTIONS AND THEN YOU TRANSLATE THEM TO THE MAP.

AND WE ARE STILL THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION THAT WE KNOW ARE STILL.

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WE'VE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE'VE HEARD FROM CITY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, VARIOUS DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS.

WE NOW NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON CERTAIN AREAS.

IS IT GOING THIS LAND USE OR IS IT GOING THIS LAND USE? WE STILL HAVE WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE STILL ARE GRAPPLING WITH AS TO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED.

SO AGAIN, I WILL SAY I WILL EMPHASIZE WE ARE STILL IT'S A STILL WORKING DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION TO BE HAD AND THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A MAP AND SOME AND SOME TEXT.

HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHING WHAT THE MAP REPRESENTS AND WHAT OUR PLACE TYPES ARE SAYING.

SO WE WANTED TO ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, CRITICISMS THAT WE GET A LOT IS GREAT.

WE DID A PLAN AND NOW WE'RE BACK 15 YEARS LATER AND NOTHING HAPPENED IN THAT PLAN.

SO WHAT DID WE SPEND ALL OF THIS TIME FOR? SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WERE SOME VERY CLEAR ACTION STEPS THAT BEEN VETTED BY OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.

OFTENTIMES, OUR PARTNERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE HELPING IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN, AS WELL AS TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME CODE UPDATES THAT NEED TO OCCUR IN ORDER TO GET A CERTAIN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

LOOKING AT TIME FRAMES AND WHO OUR PARTNERS ARE IN IMPLEMENTING THIS.

AND AGAIN, THIS GOES THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN GOES BY THEME.

SO WE'VE GOT AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, FOR HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND THEN URBAN DESIGN, COMMUNITY AND URBAN DESIGN.

WE HAVE A SET OF ACTION STEPS FOR EACH OF THOSE.

THEY'RE ALSO NOT A LAUNDRY LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO IN, YOU KNOW, FOREVER.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT CAN BECOME VERY OVERWHELMING WHEN YOU HAVE 100 PAGES OF ACTION STEPS.

IT PUTS ME IN A PANIC.

SO EACH ONE OF THESE IS A PAGE OF ACTION STEPS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT LAND USE PLANS AND MANY TIMES AS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANS.

MANY TIMES THEY HAVE A 20 YEAR HORIZON.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING WITH THIS PLAN, BECAUSE THIS WILL BE THE FIRST LAND USE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, THAT WE ALMOST NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AS A 5 TO 10 YEAR PLAN SO THAT THIS IS LET'S GET OURSELVES OUR BASELINE WORK AND THEN WE CHECK IN, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE EVEN ACTUALLY UPDATED AND EDITED SOMETHING IN THE INTRODUCTION OF THE PLAN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD REVIEW PROBABLY MORE FREQUENTLY THAN WE NORMALLY DO WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, BECAUSE THIS IS NEW AND WE'VE GOT TO TEST AND FEEL SOME THINGS OUT.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ACTION STEPS AND, AND TRUST ME, WITH THE ACTION STEPS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS PLAN, THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK TO BE DONE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A MANAGEABLE SET OF WORK TO BE DONE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THESE NEXT SLIDES ARE SORT OF TO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW TO USE THIS PLAN AND WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF A LAND USE PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, WE KIND OF WENT OVER THIS, BUT I WANTED TO TAKE SOME OF IT'S SORT OF THE SHOULDS VERSUS THE MUSTS.

AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WORK IN LAND USE AND WHEN YOU WORK IN CODE LAND USE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE'S THE TWO BRAINED PLANNER INVOLVED IN THIS.

THERE IS THE PLANNER WHO DOES LONG RANGE PLANNING.

THAT'S ME. I VISION WITH THE COMMUNITY.

I'M OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE TALK IN TERMS OF LONG, WE OF LONG TERM.

THEN THERE ARE THE ZONING PLANNERS WHO ARE LIKE, I NEED TO GET DEVELOPMENT OFF THE GROUND.

AND YOU TELL ME IF MY SETBACK IS TEN FEET AND I WANT TO SEE PROGRESS, AND I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING BUILT IN A YEAR, AND WE OFTEN COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER, WHO IS, YOU KNOW, THE BETTER PLANNER. AND SO REALLY, THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THIS IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CREATE THE SHOULDS, LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THESE IDEAL SCENARIOS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP HERE, THIS IS THE VISION OF IDEALLY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

SO A COMBINATION OF LAND USE AND DESIGN COMPONENTS THAT HELP YOU FRAME THAT OUT.

BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU A PLAN.

CANNOT TELL YOU YOU MUST DO THIS.

THAT IS WHEN YOU GET TO YOUR ZONING OR YOUR DEVELOPMENT GUIDES.

THAT'S WHEN THEY TELL YOU YOU MUST DO THIS.

THIS PLAN IS LAYING OUT THE VISION FOR WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE CERTAIN AREAS DEVELOP INTO.

NEXT STEP. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO SPECIFICALLY, AS I SORT OF MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THIS IS A SNIPPET FROM OUR PLACE TYPES.

THIS IS THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE.

THE COMPONENTS OF THAT IS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ON THE FIRST PAGE THE CHARACTER DESCRIPTION, A GENERAL CHARACTER DESCRIPTION OF WHAT A COMMUNITY MIXED USE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF AN ALREADY BUILT OUT COMMUNITY.

MIXED USE WHAT YOU ALREADY SEE.

AND THEN IDEALLY, IF YOU WERE TO REDEVELOP WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN A COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE, THEN LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE SORT OF NORMALLY WHAT YOU SEE IS YOUR

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AND SO WHEN I GET A ZONING APPLICATION IN AS A PLANNER THAT HAS TO REVIEW FROM THE FIRST START, MY QUESTION OKAY, I LOOK ON THE MAP THERE IN THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE.

WHAT DOES THE PLACE TYPE SAY.

THIS ZONING APPLICATION JUST SAID THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD A, YOU KNOW, AN INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING BUILDING IN THE COMMUNITY, MIXED USE PLACE TYPE.

I GO THROUGH I LOOK AT THE I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT THE CHARACTER DESCRIPTION THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO ALIGN.

IT DOESN'T SAY IT DOESN'T HAVE ON THE LIST OF LAND USES HERE THAT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS.

SO I'M GOING TO START QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE REQUEST AT THIS LOCATION.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND SO MAYBE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY COMES IN USING ANOTHER EXAMPLE BECAUSE THAT'S THE GENERAL PAGE, RIGHT.

THE GENERAL CHARACTER DESCRIPTION.

AND THEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT.

IF THEY WANT TO DO THEIR IN COMMUNITY MIXED USE AND THEY WANT TO DO A 75 FOOT TOWER WITH ALL PARKING COMPLETELY RESIDENTIAL AND A BIG SEA OF PARKING.

BUT WE SAY IN OUR URBAN DESIGN COMPONENTS HERE WITHIN THE PLAN THAT WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE MORE WALKABLE, THAT MAYBE THIS IS A MID-RANGE SCALE THAT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY UP TO 20 STORIES.

THIS IS JUST THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS, BUT THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

MAYBE IT'S JUST UP TO 20 STORIES.

IT'S WALKABLE. WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT.

WE WANT THE BUILDINGS UP TO THE STREET.

THEY HAVE THE BUILDING WAY BACK TO THE STREET, YOU KNOW, WAY BACK BEHIND THE BUILDING AND ALL THE PARKING UP FRONT.

THAT'S WHEN YOU START TO SEE SOME OF THE NUANCES.

YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, THE USE MADE SENSE BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE A MIXED USE USE.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN INTO THE URBAN DESIGN, THE COMMUNITY AND URBAN DESIGN COMPONENTS, THE SCALE OR THE FORM OF THAT USE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH TO THAT PLACE TYPE. SO WE WANT TO ADD IN SOME OF THOSE LAYERS AS WELL TO HELP YOU BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME BETTER INFORMED DECISIONS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SAY YOU DON'T.

YOU'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND A RATIONALE TO APPROVE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, OR APPROVE A PLAN.

THE PLAN CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT, OR IT DOESN'T ALSO BOX YOU.

IN PLANNERS, WE LOOK AT THE PLAN.

I'M STUCK TO LOOKING AT THE PLAN.

BY THE TIME IT GETS TO CPC AND CITY COUNCIL, YOU ALL CAN TAKE INTO MANY DIFFERENT FACTORS.

YOU CAN TAKE INTO FINANCIAL YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTO ACCOUNT.

YOU CAN TAKE INTO THE FINANCES.

YOU CAN TAKE INTO THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING OR THE AFFORDABILITY OF IT.

YOU CAN GROW THE SCOPE OF WHAT GOES INTO YOUR DECISION.

AGAIN, THE LAND USE PLAN HOPEFULLY WILL HELP YOU WITH MAKING THAT DECISION.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT HOW THIS HELPS WITH BUDGET AND CIP SORT OF IN THE ACTION STEPS OR IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

AND THIS IS JUST EXTRACTING ONE, I THINK, FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

ONE OF THEM SPECIFICALLY SAYS COORDINATE FUTURE LAND USES WITH INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT IN SOUTHERN DALLAS TO ENSURE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES, HOUSING AND MOBILITY OPTIONS FOR EXISTING AND FUTURE BUSINESSES AND THEIR EMPLOYEES.

SO WE ALSO CALL OUT SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MAKE CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN.

AND WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IN SOUTHERN DALLAS ABOUT THE NEED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WE'RE CALLING THAT OUT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND SO ALSO A PIECE OF THIS IS HOW IT RESPONDS TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, WE REALLY, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR EMPHASIS ON EQUITABLE ENGAGEMENT.

I WILL SAY TOO, THAT IN MY EXPERIENCE, OFTENTIMES WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY WITH NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, BUT IT CAN TRANSLATE TO THE CITYWIDE LEVEL AS WELL, IF IT'S RESPONSIVE TO COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WHAT THEY WANT, THEY CAN ALSO COME TO THE CITY WITH THIS PLAN AND SAY, NO, NO, NO, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

THIS WAS OUR VISION FOR OUR AREA.

THIS IS WHAT SO THIS IS BEING PROPOSED.

IT'S NOT WHAT THE PLAN SAYS.

SO IT CAN ALSO BE USED AS A TOOL FOR COMMUNITY AS WELL TO STAND ON WHEN EITHER ONE THEY WANT TO SUPPORT OR THEY DON'T SUPPORT SOMETHING.

AND THEN AGAIN, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THAT.

PLACE TYPES CAN HIGHLIGHT AREAS THAT MAY NEED A CITY INITIATED REZONING, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT ZONING IN PLACE THAT MATCHES THE VISIONS FOR THOSE AREAS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT CITYWIDE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GRASPING.

AND EVERY TIME WE, YOU KNOW, WE GET AUTHORIZED HEARING REQUESTS AND ALL OF THAT, IT REALLY HELPS US TO GET TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON DIFFERENT CITY INITIATED REZONINGS IN DIFFERENT AREAS IF WE HAVE THOSE AREAS IDENTIFIED.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

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WE CALL IT THE UPDATE.

BUT THE REALITY IS MOST CITIES HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THEY'VE ALREADY HAD A CITYWIDE LAND USE PLAN ADOPTED.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF UPDATING CERTAIN AREAS THAT YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN CHANGED.

YOU CAN FOCUS ON THAT.

WE'RE SORT OF CREATING THIS FROM NEW.

SO WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT EMERGE, SOME NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY EMERGE.

THE PLAN CAN BE AMENDED, AND WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW THAT HAPPENS.

MANY CITIES DO IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING I AM NOT RECOMMENDING HOW I USED TO DO IT IN SOME OF MY PREVIOUS JURISDICTIONS.

YOU KNOW, A ONE FOR ONE, A ZONING CASE AND THEN A PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WE POTENTIALLY HAVE A GROUPING OF EVERY YEAR WE DO AN UPDATE TO THE LAND USES SO THAT WE CAN KEEP IT CURRENT, WE CAN KEEP IT UP TO DATE.

AND THEN THIS DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM STILL DOING SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, CORRIDOR PLANS.

WE'VE HEARD A TON ABOUT CORRIDORS THROUGH THIS PROCESS, ESPECIALLY THAT OUR CORRIDORS DON'T ALLOW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOUSING AND WHERE WE DO.

YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ONE OF THE BIG FIRST CHANGES WE COULD REALLY MAKE IS OPEN UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF OUR CORRIDORS THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, ALREADY HAVE CERTAIN AMENITIES TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PUT HOUSING THERE BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING.

SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CITY THAT NEED MORE FINE GRAINED PLANNING, AND ONCE WE HAVE THE CITYWIDE PLAN IN PLACE, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW UP WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN OR A CORRIDOR PLAN, WHATEVER IS APPLICABLE.

AND THEN ONCE ADOPTED, THAT BECOMES A COMPONENT OF THE CITYWIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO THEY CARRY THE SAME WEIGHT.

AND IT'S JUST A FURTHER FINE GRAINED ANALYSIS THAT FEEDS INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AND SO WHAT'S NEXT? NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE NOW AT THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE HAD OUR FIRST BRIEFING WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, A GENERAL BRIEFING ON FEBRUARY 1ST.

WE ARE GOING BACK TO THEM ON THE 15TH.

WE ARE FINALIZING OUR UPDATED DRAFT PER COMMENTS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE.

AND WE WILL HAVE AN UPDATED DRAFT FOR CPC TO START GOING THROUGH.

IT IS OUR GOAL THAT WE CAN GET A CPC RECOMMENDED DOCUMENT TO YOU BEFORE BY IDEALLY MAY, SO THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE YOUR RECESS IN JULY.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AN ADOPTED PLAN IN JUNE OF 2024.

SO THAT IS OUR THAT IS OUR INTENT.

THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE MOVING IN FOR THIS, FOR THE THE REMAINING OF THIS PROCESS, WE RECOGNIZE AND HAVE ALREADY TALKED TO CPC THAT THERE MAY NEED TO BE SOME SPECIALLY CALLED MEETINGS IN ORDER TO GET THAT WORK DONE.

BUT I WILL EMPHASIZE THIS PLAN STARTED IN FEBRUARY.

THE KICKOFF WAS IN, FALL OF 2021.

WE ARE AT THE TWO AND A HALF YEAR MARK OF THIS PLAN.

AND SO I THINK WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE GOOD.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

NOT TO SAY THAT THERE'S STILL NOT CONVERSATION TO BE HAD.

I DO ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUBLIC TESTIMONY TAKEN THROUGH THE CPC PROCESS.

WE ARE TALKING WITH CPC ABOUT POTENTIALLY TIME CERTAIN MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE IT AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE, MEETING TIMES AS AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND SPEAK.

AND AGAIN, WE WILL CONTINUE.

WE WE GET EMAILS EVERY DAY, ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION OR CLARIFICATION, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE, FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND SO THESE ARE ALL OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN STAY CONNECTED.

NEXT STEPS AS WELL.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT WE'RE JUST AS WE'RE DOING THIS WITH CBC, I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO ANOTHER ROUND WITH YOU ALL.

NOW THAT WE HAVE AN UPDATED DRAFT OF ONE ON ONE OR SMALL GROUP MEETINGS TO TALK THROUGH AGAIN THE CONTENT AND THE PLAN, THE UPDATED CONTENT IN THE PLAN POINT OUT SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL SOME CONCERN, SO WE CAN TALK THROUGH WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS THERE AND IF WE CAN MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS IN THE MAP, SO WE'LL BE WORKING ONE ON ONE AS WELL AS COMING BACK TO YOU ALL, FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE BIGGER PICTURE BRIEFINGS AS WELL.

SO WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION WILL BE CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION, BUT WE ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO REALLY GETTING DOWN TO GETTING A SOLID CPC RECOMMENDED PLAN TO YOU BY THE LATEST MAY.

AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

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THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR DALLAS EVER SINCE 2006.

THAT'S 18 YEARS.

AND WE DON'T CHANGE THIS FORWARD PLANNING OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU STATED THAT, 2001, THAT'S WHEN YOU TOOK OVER.

BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS WHEN WE LOOK AT PLACETYPE, EVERY PART OF THE CITY GOT A DIFFERENT PLACE TYPE.

AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PLACE TAG, LIKE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING.

AND WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DID SEE THAT HERE.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING, BUT IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT YOU LOOK AT, YOU GO TO PAGE.

PAGE EIGHT, I BELIEVE.

IT'S EIGHT. PAGE TEN.

AND YOU LOOK AT A PLACE LIKE ON PAGE TEN AND YOU LOOK AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE, AND WE LOOK AT SOUTH OF 30, SOUTH OF THE TRINITY AND NORTH, AND MOST PARTS OF NORTH IS KIND OF THE OLD PART OF THE DALLAS, AND THE SOUTHERN PART IS A NEW PART OF DALLAS.

BUT WE HAD MORE LAND AND STUFF GOING ON, AND MOST OF THE RESIDENTS LIVED IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE DALLAS, NOT IN THE NORTH PART OF DALLAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CLOSE HALF AND HALF IS ABOUT 48% SOUTH, MAYBE 52% NORTH, BUT NO PLACE TYPE THAT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BE UNIFORM THROUGH THE WHOLE CITY. THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT PLACE TYPE WHICH IS NOT GOING TO BE ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

SO KIND OF EXPLAIN TO ME HOW WE LOOK AT PLACE AS A WHOLE, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE DALLAS.

SURE. NO, IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

AND EVEN IN THE SAME PLACE TYPES.

FOR EXAMPLE, THERE MAY BE A NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PLACE TYPE SOMEWHERE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS AS WELL AS A NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PLACE TYPE IN NORTHERN DALLAS, WHERE THE SCALE IS STILL SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU MAY BE STARTING FROM NEW OR RELATIVELY NEW IN SOUTHERN DALLAS FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, WHEREAS IN THE NORTH IT'S ALREADY PRETTY BUILT OUT, AND MAYBE IT'S ENTIRELY COMMERCIALIZED.

AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE INSERTING SOME RESIDENTIAL, WHEREAS MAYBE IN THE SOUTH THERE'S LITERALLY JUST ONE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S EXIST WITH LARGE PARKING.

AND NOW YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE SCALE OF IT, THE NEW SCALE OF IT, VERSUS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ENHANCEMENT.

OR MAYBE IT'S IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE NORTHERN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? MAYBE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF NOT CHANGING THE SCALE AT ALL, BUT MAKING IT MORE WALKABLE.

AND SO YOU THINK ABOUT, IS IT JUST A MATTER OF ENHANCING LANDSCAPE? IS IT JUST A MATTER OF ENHANCING ACCESS? SO THE SAME PLACE TYPE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE SAME MIX OF USES AND THE SAME INTENT, BUT THE SCALE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT. OKAY.

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OKAY. IF YOU LOOK AT TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND REGION MIXED USE.

REGIONAL MIX.

IT'S THE SCALE.

SO REGIONAL MIXED USE, COMMUNITY MIXED USE IS GOING TO BE SORT OF YOUR MIDDLE GROUND SCALE.

WHAT KIND OF EXAME DE BELEM IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE ALWAYS USE SORT OF AS A COMMUNITY, MIXED USE.

IT'S BIGGER THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT GOES THE REACH OF WHO YOU BRING INTO THAT AREA OR THAT PLACE IS BEYOND THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GO TO THE SCALE OF, SAY, A REGIONAL.

OFTENTIMES WE LOOK AT THE REGIONAL AS MORE OF A REGIONAL BIG BOX AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF DALLAS TO GO TO THAT PLACE, AND OFTENTIMES THEY DRIVE.

BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS.

SO A COMMUNITY MIXED USE HAS A MEDIUM SCALE BUILDING TYPE VERSUS A REGIONAL MIXED USE THAT COULD BE MUCH LARGER.

SO HOW DO YOU APPLY THOSE WHEN YOU GET A HUGE VACANT AREA LIKE IN SOME PART OF DALLAS? WHAT DETERMINES WHAT IS MIXED USE? WHAT IS IT COMMERCIAL USE AND WHAT DETERMINE THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S LAND THERE.

AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT A FUTURE.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK AT 10 TO 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD?

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SO IN AREAS WHERE YOU DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE SURROUNDING LAND USES? IS THERE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE? IS THERE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNED FOR A CERTAIN AREA? IS THERE AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY BE A CATALYST FOR, SAY, A REGIONAL MIXED USE OR A COMMUNITY MIXED USE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AN AREA THAT IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AREA THAT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE NOT, AND THEY'RE SMALLER STREETS, WE WOULDN'T BE RECOMMENDING A REGIONAL MIXED USE IN THAT AREA. IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THOSE SURROUNDING LAND USES.

OKAY, SO SO WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS? YOU END UP IN A PLACE TIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS DO NOT HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

CORRECT. SO WHO IS SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IF THE COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE ONE, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN? YES. AGAIN, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS SOUTH OF 30 DO NOT HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

RIGHT. AND SO THEREFORE YOU GOT TO PLAY SITE.

HOW DO THEY DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF PLAN THEY SHOULD HAVE.

SO THAT'S WHEN WE DETERMINE THAT IF THE PLACE TYPE DOESN'T PROVIDE SUFFICIENT GUIDANCE FOR A PARTICULAR AREA, FOR A SMALLER AREA, THEN THAT IS THAT AREA MAY BE A CANDIDATE FOR A MORE FINE GRAINED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE AREAS IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE'VE NEVER ADDRESSED THE ZONING ISSUES.

OR WE MAY WANT TO PURSUE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE STRATEGICALLY PLAN THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT MAY MEAN THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS OR A CORRIDOR PLANNING PROCESS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GOING TO GIVE YOU ENOUGH GUIDANCE TO GET YOU THERE IN THOSE SORT OF GREEN FIELDS, NO DEVELOPMENT AREAS, BUT IT MAY CALL FOR IT MAY NEED TO HAVE A MORE FINE GRAINED PLAN ON TOP OF THE CITYWIDE PLAN.

OKAY. GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.

MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, MOST OF YOUR TRUCKS 18 WHEELERS WAS ON HARRY HIGH.

NOW MAJORITY IS IN DISTRICT EIGHT ON I-20 AND BONNYVIEW.

AND THAT'S LIKE I SAID, 20 YEARS AGO.

NOW, WHAT WE LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE, WHERE ARE YOUR TRUCKS AND WAREHOUSE IS GOING TO BE? WELL, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SORT THROUGH IN THIS PLAN.

THE HUGE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION, AMONGST STAFF, AMONGST THE COMMUNITY, AMONGST THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE.

SO WHEN WE DO OUR ONE ON ONES AND TALK THROUGH THE LAND USES, THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS LAND USE PLAN OF IN THE FUTURE, WHERE WE WANT TO DIRECT OUR INDUSTRIAL USES, OUR NEW AND OR ANY NEW INDUSTRIAL USES, WHERE THEY GET DIRECTED AND WHERE THEY DON'T GET DIRECTED. OKAY.

SO THEREFORE YOUR STAFF, WE TALKED ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS 20 YEARS.

WE HAVEN'T DID ANYTHING IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

WE'RE TRYING TO COME WITH A PRICE TAG TYPE.

BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS NUMBER ONE STAFF.

HOW DO WE HAVE ENOUGH STAFF? IN MY OPINION, WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH STAFF AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

SO I GUESS THE CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER AND IS FORWARD DALLAS WHAT OUR STAFF'S GOING TO BE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD STAFF TO GET THIS DONE.

BECAUSE IN THE MEANTIME, BY RIGHTS, WE GOT ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE WAITING ON THIS.

IN THE MEANTIME, DEVELOPERS GOING AND PUTTING IN OUR PLACE TIGHT, NOT ZONING BUT PLACE SITE.

THEY PUTTING BUSINESSES THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.

SO MR. CITY MANAGER WON'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

THAT'S A PERSONAL THAT'S NOT YOURS.

AND BEFORE THE CITY MANAGER ANSWERS THAT QUESTION I WILL SAY WE WILL HAVE.

ONE OF THE ISSUES RIGHT NOW IS THE MAJORITY OF OUR STAFF IS INVOLVED IN DEVELOPING FORWARD DALLAS.

IT REALLY IS AN ALL HANDS ON DECK.

SO IT MAY FEEL THAT WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT STAFF, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS WHEN WE GET FORWARD DALLAS ADOPTED, IT NOW FREES UP A LOT OF STAFF TO NOW BE WORKING SPECIFICALLY ON NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.

AND WE DON'T NEED TEN STAFF TO WORK ON A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

RIGHT? WHEN I WAS DOING NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, I DID THEM ON MY OWN.

AND SO AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT GUIDANCE AS WELL, THAT LAND USE GUIDANCE TO THEN BE ABLE TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY INTO THOSE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.

SO IT FREES UP IT MAY FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF RIGHT NOW, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ON SUCH A BIG PROJECT, WHEN FORMER DALLAS IS ADOPTED, WE WILL FREE UP THAT STAFF.

INCLUDING LAWRENCE.

I'LL WAIT ON THE CITY MANAGER.

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BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING, NOT AN APPROPRIATE ANSWER WAS NUMBER ONE.

THAT INFORMED DALLAS.

RIGHT NOW WE WERE SHORT OF STAFF, AND WE'RE GOING TO HIRE MORE STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE $40 TAKEN CARE OF.

DO WE HAVE THE ADEQUATE STAFF TO GO FORWARD? DO WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES IN THE FUTURE WITH STAFF TO DO THAT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE PDS THAT WE HAVE.

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH STAFF TO DO PDS.

WE GOT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVEN'T.

THERE IS NOT. IT ALWAYS SAYS SHORT OF STAFF.

SO I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT ARE THIS BUILDING IN IN FALL WITH DALLAS? BUT FOR DALLAS HAD NOT BEEN ADOPTED YET.

SURE. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK, ANDREA, MISS GILLIS, I THINK, RESPONDED TO I THINK THE INCREASED CAPACITY THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE ONCE, IN FACT, WE ADOPT FORWARD DALLAS.

I WOULD SAY IN ADDITION TO THAT, GIVEN WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE AND I THINK SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, PARTICULARLY WITH AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE, BEYOND THE LAND USE, PLAN ITSELF, THE CHALLENGE IS THERE IN SOME CASES ARE ALSO JUST THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE GO THROUGH AUTHORIZED HEARINGS AND THE LABORIOUS NATURE OF SOME OF THE, I GUESS, HISTORICAL PROCESSES OF SETTING STEERING COMMITTEES ASIDE AND THEN ALLOWING THAT TO MEANDER AND MEET IN MANY CASES THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO TO DEVELOP BETTER SYSTEMS AROUND, REFRAMING HOW THOSE PROCESSES WERE CONDUCTED, AND TIME LIMIT THEM AS IT RELATES TO THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FEEDBACK AND CONVERSATION BEFORE IT THEN MOVED FORWARD WITH THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCESS AND THEN CAME TO COUNCIL. I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO IMPROVE THE ABILITY.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT LASTS A YEAR AND A HALF, TALKING ABOUT THE SAME ISSUES, AND YOU'VE GOT TWO COMPETING SIDES THAT ARE NEVER GOING TO PROBABLY AGREE, I THINK AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOT TO CUT THAT CONVERSATION OFF, TAKE EVERYBODY'S FEEDBACK, PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE GUIDED THE CONVERSATION, AND THEN TAKE THOSE ITEMS, TO THE BOARDS THAT ARE GOING TO SETTLE ALL OF WHAT WE PLAN TO DO.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE THERE.

BUT IF IN FACT, WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF, ONE, I WOULD LOOK TO SEE AND HEAR THAT FROM THE TEAM, AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE THOSE THINGS SHOW UP, IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS AROUND JUSTIFYING WHAT WE NEED FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THE HEAVY WORK WILL BE OBVIOUSLY, AT SOME POINT, WHEN NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS OR THIS PLAN IS DONE, THE DRILL DOWNS INTO, OKAY, LET'S ACTUALLY GO INTO THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS.

AND SO WE'VE ADDED STAFFING, AND OR STAFF AUGMENTATION DOLLARS TO HELP US AND ASSIST US WITH JUST OUR NORMAL FLOW IF WE NEED TO ADD MORE RESOURCES, WHETHER CITY STAFF OR PROFESSIONAL, SERVICES STAFF, WE'D BE COMING TO YOU TO LAY THAT OUT.

AND SO, AGAIN, I THINK SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT WE THINK IN THE BEGINNING, THE CAPACITY WILL BE THERE BECAUSE WE'LL DIVERT FROM THE PLANNING SIDE OF IT TO NOW.

THE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED PLANNING AND REVIEWING AND GOING THROUGH AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.

OKAY. NEXT QUESTION NUMBER ONE.

WE TALKED ABOUT AUTHORIZED HEARING.

WE TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD WHO DO NOT HAVE PLANS.

HAVING THE PLANS OUT THERE.

IT'S OUT THERE IN THE CITY THAT HAVING THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.

I REALLY WISH THAT THAT WAS AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER.

WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IS AND WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN ISN'T.

WE HAVE IN THE 2006 PLAN, IT RAN THROUGH A LIST OF, I DON'T KNOW, 200, SOME PLANS OF SOME VARIATION THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM DON'T HAVE A LAND USE COMPONENT.

THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE FROM 1970 AND 1980.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RECENTLY ADOPTED LAND USE PLANS THAT INCORPORATE SORT OF THIS VISION THAT LEADS TO THE NEXT STEPS OF SAFE ZONING AND AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.

AND SO NANU'S PLAN HAVE MANY AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE COMING FORWARD.

NOW, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY? WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE COMING FORWARD, AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING.

WE'RE STARTING THE NEXT STEPS OF A, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THE ANALYSIS FOR THE NEXT STEPS OF THE OTHER ONES.

AND HOW LONG DO THEY TAKE? THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE ANYWHERE FROM.

WELL, THEY'VE BEEN TAKING AT LEAST A YEAR BECAUSE OF OUR PROCESS.

SO OVER THE YEAR THEN.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT STAFF ON THAT STAFF DRIVEN OR WHATEVER.

BUT AUTHORIZED HEARING HOW MANY WE HAVE IN THE QUEUE FOR US RIGHT HERE AND GOING FORWARD LINED UP.

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16 IN THE QUEUE, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THOSE THAT ARE PUT ON HOLD.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THOSE THAT ARE QUESTION MARKS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY EVEN NEED TO BE GO FORWARD, AND MAY BE DE-AUTHORIZED BECAUSE THE ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED THROUGH SOME OTHER MEANS.

SO IT MAY LOOK LIKE WE HAVE A LONG, SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT LIST, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY GOTTEN MORE MANAGEABLE GIVEN THE ANALYSIS THAT STAFF HAS DONE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE AN UPCOMING COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, I THINK IT'S QUALITY OF LIFE.

WILL WE BE TALKING ABOUT THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS AND WAYS TO IMPROVE THAT PROCESS? OKAY. NUMBER ONE, MY MAIN CONCERN, NUMBER ONE WITH FORWARD DALLAS BEEN GOING FOR SO LONG, 20 OVER 20 YEARS.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT DONE.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S AN URGENCY, BUT THE POINT IS BY.

RIGHT, IT'S ACTUALLY SO MUCH STUFF ABOUT RIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE PLACE TYPE AND THEY CAN START NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL WE GET THIS PLACE TYPE.

RIGHT? YES.

I MEAN, IDEALLY WE GET WE NEED TO GET FORWARD DALLAS DONE.

WE NEED TO GET THAT PROCESS IN PLACE, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF THE ZONING, EITHER WORKING ON AMENDING THE CODE TO HELP WITH SOME OF OUR EXISTING ZONING DESIGNATIONS AND GETTING THEM MORE UP TO SPEED, OR TO ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND REZONING CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE THERE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED TO HAVE ISSUES AND AND WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TO GET THAT COMPLETE? WHAT YOU JUST SAID THE SECOND PART.

YES, MA'AM, THAT WILL TAKE IT DEPENDS ON WHICH WHERE WE START.

NOW, THE CODE AMENDMENTS.

WE HAVE A I'M SORRY, THE CODE UPDATE, THE OVERALL CODE UPDATE.

WE HAVE CONSULTANTS ON BOARD.

THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING AND ANALYZING OUR CODE, THAT WE, WE PROGRAMED FOR AN INITIAL TWO YEAR PROJECT.

THAT'S BUT THAT'S THE OVERALL CODE, THE ACTUAL REZONINGS WE CAN START.

WE ARE WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THEM AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OUR WHAT'S ALREADY CURRENTLY ON THE LIST.

I WILL SAY WE WILL HAVE PROPOSALS FOR HOW WE TREAT THEM MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE NOW A FULL CITYWIDE LAND USE PLAN.

GENERALLY, OUR CITY AUTHORIZED HEARINGS SHOULD FOLLOW THE PLAN.

SO IF A PLAN IS ADOPTED, WE IDENTIFIED LAND USE AREAS WITH LAND USE INCONSISTENCIES.

THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD FOCUS OUR REZONINGS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE ARE ON ITEM B. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO JUST START OFF BY, EXTENDING KUDOS TO THE STAFF AND TO ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS WHO'VE BEEN WORKING SO LONG ON THIS PROCESS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE UPDATES AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO SAY THANK YOU.

IT'S JUST ASTOUNDING HOW MUCH ENGAGEMENT YOU'VE DONE AND HOW MUCH WORK YOU'VE ALL PUT INTO THIS.

SO THANK YOU.

CAN YOU WE ARE GETTING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PUSHBACK AND MISUNDERSTANDING REGARDING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AND WHERE IT FITS INTO COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

SO COULD YOU SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME DIGGING INTO THAT PARTICULARLY? YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT ZONING, BUT WHY IS IT COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AND NOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? SO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I WILL START WITH WE'VE NEVER.

THE 2006 PLAN DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY.

THEY CALLED IT BUILDING BLOCKS.

SO IN 2006 IT WAS A BUILDING BLOCK AND IT WAS THE SAME VERSION BASICALLY AS THE PLACE TYPE 2006.

NEVER HAD A ACTUALLY 2006 INCORPORATES MORE POTENTIAL USES WITHIN THE LARGELY SINGLE FAMILY AREAS OR THE BUILDING BLOCK ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THAT BUILDING BLOCK.

THEN WHAT THIS FORWARD DALLAS IS RECOMMENDING? IT'S RECOMMENDING A MORE LIMITED SCALE.

SO AT AT THE CITY WIDE SCALE OF LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE, WE WE DON'T GO, ESPECIALLY A CITY OF 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE.

AND THE ACREAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, WE DON'T GO PROPERTY BY PROPERTY AND IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT LAND USE ON THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL PARCEL.

WE IDENTIFY PLACES.

SO THAT'S WHERE IN THE PLACE TYPES AND FORWARD DALLAS DON'T NECESSARILY IDENTIFY A NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT. OR PUT AROUND.

IT'S A LARGER PLACE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY IN THE COMMUNITY, RESIDENTIAL, THE REALITY IS WE'RE HARD PRESSED TO FIND CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CITY IF YOU START DRIVING AROUND.

I WAS EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT THIS MORNING.

AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AROUND, YOU DON'T JUST IF YOU START DRIVING IN THE SCALE OF THE PLACE TYPE, SAY THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, YOU OFTEN FIND YOURSELF SEEING A SCHOOL.

YOU SEE THE PARKS, YOU DO SEE A SMALL APARTMENT BUILDING ON THE CORNER AND ON THE EDGES OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

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YOU KNOW, YOU DO SEE DUPLEXES MIXED IN THERE.

YES. THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SCALE OF THE PLACE TYPE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S NOT SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE THESE USES EVERYWHERE IN IT IN THIS PLACE TYPE.

IT ACKNOWLEDGES I THINK THE FIRST WRITEUP SAYS THAT THESE ARE PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS, AND THEY WILL REMAIN PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

BUT WHERE WITHIN THESE PLACE TYPES CAN WE ACCOMMODATE SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES? AND SO WHAT WE'VE HEARD BEFORE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY COMFORTABLE WITH POTENTIALLY LONG CORRIDORS, EXISTING ACTIVITY CENTER AREAS WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ADD, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF MIX.

I KNOW IT'S STILL UP FOR DEBATE ON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A CORNER LOT, COULD YOU DO SOMETHING ON A CORNER LOT THAT'S VACANT? RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT VACANT INFILL.

SO IT'S THAT AND OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREAS, IF YOU'RE CLOSE TO A, YOU KNOW, A DART STATION, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT.

SO I THINK AGAIN WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT IN THAT PLACE TYPE SPECIFICALLY, I THINK WE CAN WORK ON THE LANGUAGE TO TO MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC TO THE INTENT AND THE PURPOSE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT TO SAY WE SHOULD REZONE ALL OF THESE AREAS AND ALLOW, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES ALL OVER.

SO LET ME JUST SAY IT BACK TO YOU, OKAY? THAT THE CHALLENGE WITH WITH HAVING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AS A PLACE TYPE IS THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ONE OF THOSE PIXILATED PICTURES BECAUSE IT THAT MEANS NO CHURCHES, NO SCHOOLS, NO SMALL RETAIL, ALL OF THAT STUFF.

AND SO WHAT COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL MEANS IS THE THINGS THAT THAT THAT COMMUNITY OF RESIDENCES NEEDS TO BE A STRONG COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO INCLUDE OTHER USES BESIDES ONE HOME PER FAMILY.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS A MUCH BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT THAN I DID.

YES. SO AND SO IN TO THAT POINT, WILL YOU BE GOING TO EACH OF US AND, AND LOOKING AT OUR DISTRICT IN GREAT DETAIL AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK AT IN YOUR DISTRICT SO THAT WE CAN REFLECT THE NEEDS AND THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT THERE.

SO I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN DISTRICT 11, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ANGST AND MISINFORMATION THAT'S GOING OUT AROUND THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF SINGLE FAMILY.

AND AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, JUST IN MY INITIAL MEETINGS WITH YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, NOTHING'S CHANGING.

THERE IS NO EVEN ENCROACHMENT ON ANY OF THOSE THAT COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL FROM WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHAT YOU'RE IDENTIFYING ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING, AS WELL AS ADDING IN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY WANT, WHERE THAT'S NOW COMMERCIAL AND THEY WANT IT TO BE TOWNHOMES OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THIS.

WILL IMPACT EXISTING PDES.

AND THE CHALLENGE I KNOW WE HAVE LIKE OVER 1100, WHICH MEANS WITH SUBDISTRICTS, WE PROBABLY HAVE OVER 3000 LITTLE TEENY SPOTS.

BACK TO THAT PIXELATED CONCEPT OF ZONING.

HOW DOES THIS IMPACT IF IT'S CONTRADICTORY, IF A PD IS CONTRADICTORY TO THE DESIRED PLACE TYPE? SO IT'S JUST LIKE ANY ZONING THAT COMES THROUGH.

FIRST OF ALL, FORWARD DALLAS IS NOT CHANGING ANYBODY.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT CLEAR.

IT'S NOT CHANGING ANY.

IT'S NOT CHANGING ANY ZONING.

THANK YOU. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT CHANGING ANY PD'S.

IT'S NOT CHANGING ANY HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

IT'S NOT CHANGING ANY CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.

FORWARD DALLAS A LAND USE PLAN CANNOT DO THAT.

ALL OF THOSE WILL REMAIN IN PLACE UNCHANGED.

SO, BUT OKAY.

SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY WANTS TO APPLY FOR A SUBDISTRICT IN A PD.

OKAY. AND WHAT WE'VE LARGELY TRIED TO DO, I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR PD'S ARE VERY LARGE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY LARGE AND THEY'RE ALMOST IT'S IT'S A PLACE TYPE WITHIN ITSELF.

RIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE THOSE THAT CONSISTENCY ALREADY WITH THE PLAN.

BUT SAY SOMEBODY WANTED TO CREATE A SUBDISTRICT CARVE OUT SOMETHING IN A PD.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PLACE TYPE OKAY.

WHAT IS THE PLACE TYPE. SAY IF THE PLACE TYPE SAYS YOU KNOW, SAY YOU WANT YOU KNOW AGAIN IF IT IF IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE PLACE TYPE SAYS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW BASED ON THAT.

NOW AGAIN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WILL COME OUT.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU ALSO CAN WORK WITH.

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AND THAT'S WHERE THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH AN APPLICANT AND STAFF ACTUALLY.

SO RIGHT NOW OFTENTIMES PART I DIDN'T MENTION THIS.

THIS IS REALLY KEY.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF OR ZONING STAFF.

YOU KNOW WE OFTEN HEAR LIKE WHY ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THIS.

THIS IS CONTRARY TO X, Y AND Z.

LIKE THIS ISN'T WHAT WE WANT.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LAND USE GUIDANCE EITHER.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY URBAN DESIGN GUIDANCE TO DRAW FROM, TO SAY TO AN APPLICANT, THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT.

WE CAN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THIS.

AND THIS IS WHY. HOWEVER, IF YOU BRING THE BUILDING UP HERE, IF YOU MAYBE ONLY GO FOUR STORIES AS OPPOSED TO TEN, THEN YOU'RE NOW CONSISTENT WITH THIS AND WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL. SO IT ALSO HELPS STAFF BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO A COMMUNITY'S WANTS AND VISION MORE APPROPRIATELY.

BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE THAT STAFF, WE HAVE THAT FRAMEWORK IN PLACE AS WELL.

THANK YOU. SO JUST TO REALLY BUILD ON WHAT OUR MAYOR PRO TEM BROUGHT UP, WE HAVE A PLAN THAT'S 20 NOT EVEN A PLAN.

WE HAVE A VISION THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD THAT I KNOW FROM DOING ZONING CASES.

THERE'D BE, YOU KNOW, TOTAL INCONSISTENCY WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED 20 YEARS AGO AND WHERE IT IS NOW, PARTICULARLY IN PARTS OF SOUTHERN DALLAS, WHICH HAVE CHANGED.

AND THEY'RE MAKING SO MUCH PROGRESS IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THAT'S DESERVED THERE.

AND SO NOW FOR THESE, THERE AREN'T THAT MANY NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR SLIDE TEN IS SHOWING.

RIGHT? I THINK IT'S NO SLIDE 11.

NO. EIGHT WHATEVER SLIDE.

IT IS THE ONE THAT SHOWS.

YEAH. TEN ON PAGE TEN, ALL THAT GRAY AREA IS WHERE THERE ARE NO PLANS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

IT'S WHERE THERE ARE NO PLANS.

BUT THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT A BUNCH OF GRAY AREA WHERE IT'S LIKE IT'S A REALLY OLD PLAN, AND THEN IT'S A MAYBE IT'S A PLAN, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT THIS DOES ON SLIDE TEN IS IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OUR OWN DISTRICTS AND OTHER PARTS OF DALLAS THAT DESPERATELY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY AT A NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, THEN TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CODIFIED, BECAUSE MUCH OF IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE CODIFIED BECAUSE IT'S NEVER GOING TO CHANGE.

MY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT CHANGING, AND SO THEY DON'T NEED NECESSARILY TO HAVE SOMETHING LOCKED IN.

HOWEVER, THE ZONING CASES THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN MOST SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S GOING TO BE ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS OR THOSE DART STATIONS OR WHATEVER.

IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE IN THE HEART OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THEY DON'T NEED A PLAN PER SE UNLESS THEY WANT ONE.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

OKAY. AND SO THE LAST JUST WITH MY TIME.

YEAH. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU'VE PUT AGRICULTURE AREAS? AND I KNOW OUR COMMUNITY AGRICULTURE PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE AGRICULTURE PLAN IS HUGE AND IMPORTANT.

SO WHERE DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS? YES. SO, AND LAWRENCE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME OUT WITH THIS BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF ITERATIONS OF THIS, BUT THOSE ARE IN THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

AND THE REASON WHY IT'S CALLED IT EVOLVED.

IT STARTED OUT AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

WELL, LET ME JUST INTERRUPT.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY GARDENS.

NO, I KNOW OKAY. YES.

NO, THESE ARE THE LARGE SWATHS OF.

YEAH. SO KLEBERG AREAS AND SOME OF THAT.

YES. SO THOSE ARE NOW IN WHAT'S CALLED THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

IT STARTED OUT AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN GOING BACK TO THE WEST AND, AND EAST KLEBERG PLANS OF 2003 AND 2007.

THEY HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME CORRIDOR AREAS AND WHERE YOU WANTED TO FOCUS DEVELOPMENT.

SO AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION AT CLUP WHERE IT WAS LIKE, YES, WE'RE WE HAVE RURAL PARTS, BUT WE'RE STILL A MAJOR CITY.

SO HOW DO WE NOW SORT OF BLEND THAT, HONORING THAT THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL OR SORRY, AGRICULTURAL AREAS, RURAL AREAS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO MAINTAIN, BUT YET THEY STILL NEED ACCESS TO SERVICES AS WELL.

SO WHERE DO YOU. CONCENTRATE THOSE AREAS WHERE THE SERVICES ARE.

AND WE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE IN THAT PLACE TYPE THAT ANY TYPE OF SIGNIFICANT NEW DEVELOPMENT WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE PLANNING INVOLVED IN THAT, A MORE FINE GRAINED PLAN TO REALLY MASTER PLAN OUT BECAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE KEY IN THAT.

GREAT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MISS BLACKMON, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM B. THANK YOU.

AND YES, THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US.

IT'S ALWAYS A TRICKY THING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I WAS ON THE 2006 CONSULTANT TEAM WHEN WE FIRST ADOPTED FORWARD DALLAS.

SO CAN WE GO THROUGH A HISTORY LESSON OF WHY WE'RE HERE? I MEAN, WE DOWN ZONED A FEW PLACES IN THE 80S AND WHICH ACTUALLY HARMED A LOT OF COMMUNITIES.

WILL THIS PLAN MAKE IT RIGHT?

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WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT WITH THE AREAS.

I THINK WHAT WE'VE FOCUSED ON.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS.

OUR FOCUS LARGELY HAS BEEN ON ADDRESSING THE AREAS OF LINGERING, THE LINGERING IMPACTS OF CUMULATIVE ZONING.

SO IN THE 80S, YOU EXPLAIN WHAT CUMULATIVE ZONING.

SURE. IN IN PRE 80 1980.

AND THIS IS NOT JUST DALLAS THIS IS NATIONALLY.

BASICALLY THERE WAS CUMULATIVE ZONING WHERE YOU COULD THE THE THE MORE THE FURTHER YOU WENT UP THE SCALE, YOU THE ZONING SCALE, YOU COULD DO ALL OF THE USES IN THAT. SO IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU COULD ONLY DO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

IN COMMERCIAL ZONING YOU COULD DO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.

AND THEN IN IN INDUSTRIAL ZONING YOU COULD DO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.

YOU COULD DO EVERYTHING.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE SAY TODAY, OH, THAT WAS NONCONFORMING.

HOW DID THAT GET DEVELOPED? WELL, IT USED TO BE LEGAL.

YOU COULD PUT A HOUSE IN INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

IT WAS PERMITTED.

SO THAT ALL SHIFTED IN THE 80S.

AND WE DID AWAY WITH CUMULATIVE ZONING.

BUT THEN WE DIDN'T REZONE TO WHAT WAS ON THE GROUND OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW SHOULD BE ON THE GROUND.

RIGHT. SO THAT IS A BIG PART OF THIS PLAN IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE AREAS AND IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS HEAD ON.

I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT AUTHORIZED HEARINGS AND HOW WE PRIORITIZE THEM AND HOW WE SCORE THEM.

I THINK THAT THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, ABOUT GOING INTO THOSE AREAS THAT REALLY NEED ZONING CHANGES.

AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LEADING INTO THE LAST DECADE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SORT OF IN A ACTUALLY EVEN MORE SO NOW.

WE WERE KIND OF IN A RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL BONANZA, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR CORRIDORS WERE JUST SINGLE USE COMMERCIAL.

AND SO TRYING TO COME OUT OF THAT NOW AND RECOGNIZING THAT THOSE MARKETS ARE VERY DIFFERENT, AND THAT WE DON'T LIKE THOSE MARKETS HAVE SHRUNK. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS RESPOND ACCORDINGLY WITH OUR LAND USE, AND NOW ALLOW MORE MIXING OF USES IN THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN COMPLETELY ONLY COMMERCIAL OR NON RESIDENTIAL USES HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN THOSE CORRIDORS.

SO BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A ZONING DOCUMENT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO RECONCILE WITH THE REALITY IS PAST PRACTICES AND THEN MOVING FORWARD. SO PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING SORT OF THIS LIST OF AREAS AND TRYING TO MATCH OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID ARE AREAS OF ISSUE.

DO THEY HAVE. AND THEN DECIDING LIKE SO ALONG CORRIDORS OR IN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AREAS, THEN WE'VE BEEN DOING THE ZONING BACKGROUND, ZONING ANALYSIS.

IS THERE REALLY A ZONING ISSUE OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF MOVE THAT OVER TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT? WHAT WE WANT TO DO AFTER FORWARD DALLAS IS ADOPTED IS REALLY ZOOM IN ON CERTAIN AREAS.

I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THEM ON THE LIST FOR AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT AREAS THAT WE KNOW THAT HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, CUMULATIVE PAST CUMULATIVE ZONING AREAS, WE FOCUS IN ON THOSE.

WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE NEXT STEPS COMING OUT OF THIS IS WHICH KIND OF PLACE TYPES HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE KNOW DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME ZONING ON THE GROUND AS THE RECOMMENDED PLACE TYPE.

AND SO HOW DO WE MOVE INTO THE ZONING FOR THOSE AREAS? OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE STILL A PROCESS.

THERE WILL BE A PROCESS. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSED WORK PROGRAM.

OKAY, COMING OUT OF THIS, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED WORK PROGRAM BASED ON ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS? WE THINK WE NEED TO START TACKLING THESE AREAS HERE.

AND THIS IS WHY BECAUSE WE'VE LAYERED ON ALL OF THIS DATA.

AND SO NOW WE'RE COMING TO YOU AND PROPOSING OUR WORK PROGRAM.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WHERE WE THINK WE NEED TO TARGET BECAUSE IT'S GOT TEN OF THESE FACTORS THAT WE THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED SOONER THAN LATER. WELL, AND THEN THAT ALSO HELPS WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PIECE OF THIS, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW WE PUT HOUSING IN INDUSTRIALS AND AREAS AND THAT AND HAVE HARMED INDIVIDUALS. SO YES, I APPLAUD YOU.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO WRAP.

WE GOT TO TAKE THE SCAR TISSUE AWAY AND UNTANGLE A LOT OF THIS STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN EASIER THAN TO ACTUALLY DIVE IN AND REALLY FIX IT.

SO YEAH. I WILL BE I WOULD LOVE TO SUPPORT YOU IN THAT.

I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD IN ZERO SIX, WHICH KIND OF GOES INTO IT WAS A DOCUMENT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DYNAMIC, AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO STILL BE A DYNAMIC.

BUT AFTER YEAR TEN, IT I NOTICED THAT EVEN IT DIDN'T KIND OF REFER BACK TO THE FORWARD DALLAS, VISION.

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BUT I WOULD SAY YES, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH CPC, BUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE DOING INTERNALLY AS STAFF IS AS ZONING CASES GO THROUGH.

IF IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, THE LAND USE PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TRACK ALL OF THAT, OKAY, AND THEN COME BACK WITH YOU.

WE WON'T NEED TO DO ANALYSIS ON THE UPDATES PER SE, BECAUSE THEY WILL BE BASED ON ZONING CHANGES THAT ALREADY OCCURRED.

BUT THEN WE'LL JUST NEED TO COME BACK SO THAT IT'S TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.

AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, IF IT'S SMALL PROPERTIES, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE.

IT'S PROBABLY JUST GOING TO BE NEED TO BE MORE OF AN ACCOUNTING SITUATION.

IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO CHANGE THE MAP BECAUSE THE SCALE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

BUT IF THERE ARE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT OCCUR THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE LAND USE PLAN SAID, THEN WE MAY BE CHANGING THE PLAN.

SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE GARLAND ROAD IN THAT UPPER GARLAND ROAD HAS HAD SEEN A LOT OF ZONING CASES COMING THROUGH, AND THAT PLAN MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE WHAT'S THE MARKET IS DRIVING.

YES. SO IS THAT LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE NEED TO WE'VE SEEN THESE THESE CASES COME THROUGH.

IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON PAPER.

BUT THE REALITY IS THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO USE DATA THEN TO CREATE THE NEXT ITERATION THE 2.12.3 VERSION.

ABSOLUTELY. SO NOT ONLY DO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE CHANGE AREAS THAT WE KNOW WERE NEVER UPDATED IN THE PAST, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THOSE NEWER AREAS THAT MAYBE NEED A MORE FINE GRAIN PLAN, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF ZONING CHANGES AND IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.

OKAY. AND THEN FINALLY, WHAT'S AT STAKE IF WE DON'T DO FORWARD DALLAS 2.0? I MEAN, THE MARKET WILL DECIDE MY JOB.

YEAH, SORRY, BUT I GUESS, ANDRE, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE MARKET WILL KNOW WATER GOES WHERE WATER GOES.

SO, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, WE CHANGE.

CITIES ARE DYNAMIC, CHANGE HAPPENS.

AND IF WE'RE NOT STRATEGIC ABOUT IT, I THINK WE KEEP TWISTING OURSELVES UP INTO THESE INDIVIDUALIZED PROCESSES.

EVERY SINGLE TIME WE DO SOMETHING WITH ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, WE DON'T NECESSARILY OR INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE PART OF THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, TYING LAND, WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE PLANS THAT SAY WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT OUR LAND USE AND HOW TO TIE IT TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

WELL, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING THERE, THERE.

YEP. DO THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GOING DOWN THIS PATH OF NEW PDS FOR EVERYTHING, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LAND USE GUIDANCE THAT SAYS WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS.

SO WE'LL JUST CREATE PDS.

AND THAT DOES START TO BOG DOWN THE SYSTEM.

NOT TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT A PLACE FOR PDS, BUT NOT FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY DEVELOPMENT, EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH. SO THIS LISTEN, THIS ISN'T GOING TO SOLVE EVERYTHING, BUT IT IS A PIECE THAT'S MISSING AND HELPING US BE MORE STRATEGIC AND STREAMLINED ABOUT OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

WELL, AND THE MARKET DOES LIKE PREDICTABILITY AND, AND THE CAPITAL MARKETS SPECIFICALLY.

AND SO IF WE SAY THIS IS WHERE WE ARE FOCUSED AND WE AS A CITY ARE INVESTING IN THIS AREA, THEN IT DOES TEND TO MAKE IT A LOT EASIER AND PREDICTABLE, NOT ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVESTING, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO UPROOT ANYBODY AND CHANGE THEIR WAY OF LIFE, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THIS MAP, ACTUALLY CAPITALIZE ON A LOT OF AREAS THAT WE ARE NOT CAPITALIZING ON AND PREDICTABILITY, PLANNING AND AND EFFORT GOES A LONG WAYS IN THIS EXERCISE.

SO I APPLAUD YOU IN DOING THIS.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SUMMER I ASSUME JUNE OR AUGUST.

JUNE. OKAY. SO BEFORE WE GO ON BREAK IS WHEN WE'RE PLANNING TO START THIS, I'M MANIFESTING.

YES. WELL, I'LL SAY A LITTLE PRAYER FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN. BLACKMON.

COUNCIL. REALLY? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

IT IS IMPLICIT IN THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF FORWARD DALLAS AND SPECIFICALLY THE PLACE TYPE LAND USE MAP.

THAT CHANGE IS GOING TO BE INDICATED FROM OUR CURRENT LAND USE.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK A LOT OF IT CONFIRMS OUR EXISTING LAND USES.

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SO EACH ITERATION OF THE PLAN, WE NOW HAVE MAPS THAT SHOW CHANGE AREAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'VE CHANGED OVER TIME AND ALSO WHERE THE PLACE TYPE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE USE ON THE GROUND.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S PART OF THE DRAFT NOW? I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THE BACKGROUND ANALYSIS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S ALWAYS THE PIECE.

IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN.

NO, BECAUSE THOSE DON'T GENERALLY IN A PLAN YOU CREATE THE FINAL MAP.

BUT AS PART OF THE BACKGROUND ANALYSIS, YES, WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMPARISON OF EXISTING LAND USE TO YOUR PROPOSED PLACE TYPE LAND USE MAP SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT CHANGES ARE CONTEMPLATED.

AND TO THAT END, HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED ANY NON RESIDENTIAL LAND USE AREAS THAT YOU INDICATE IN THE PLACE TYPE MAP SHOULD BE CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL TO ADDRESS OUR OUR HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY THEME.

YES, WE'VE CERTAINLY IN OUR PLACE TYPES.

THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EXPANDED RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT RESIDENTIAL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY WAY OF QUANTIFYING THE AREAS OF THE CITY, EITHER IN NUMBER OR ACREAGE, THAT WOULD BE CURRENTLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED PLACE TYPES? I MEAN, WE MIGHT WE COULD SEE WHAT OUR DATA SETS ALLOW US TO DO IN THAT WE COULD LOOK WE COULD EXPLORE THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER LIKE AN ACREAGE NUMBER, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL HAVE ON OUR EXISTING LAND USE, TO UNDERSTAND NOT JUST BY COMPARING MAPS, BUT THE QUANTITY OF LAND THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE LAND USE UNDER THE PLACE TYPE RECOMMENDATIONS.

NOW. DO YOU ANTICIPATE INITIATING AFTER FORWARD DALLAS ADOPTED AUTHORIZED HEARINGS FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING LAND USE OR ZONING? OR WILL YOU LEAVE THAT TO THE PRIVATE MARKETPLACE ON AN APPLICATION BY APPLICATION BASIS? I DO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE AREAS THAT THE CITY WILL INITIATE CITY INITIATED REZONINGS OR AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.

YES. AND WHAT ARE YOUR CRITERIA FOR IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS? WELL WE'RE SO WE'RE WE ALREADY SO WE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CURRENT SCORING SYSTEM THAT WE ARE UPDATING.

SO WE'LL BE UPDATING THAT AND BRINGING THAT BACK TO THE GROUP.

BUT LARGELY FOR THOSE AREAS WHERE I THINK WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AREAS.

SO WHERE WE HAVE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, WHERE RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ADJACENCIES, THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PRIORITIES.

AND TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE A HEAVY LIFT.

YOU KNOW, GETTING THROUGH THAT, THOSE ARE BIG AREAS AND THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF TIME.

I THINK WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON SOME OF OUR CORRIDOR AREAS, SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HOW WE ACTUALLY ALLOW A MIX OF USES ON OUR CORRIDOR AREAS.

THOSE WOULD BE OUR TWO KEY KEY AREAS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THERE IS THAT HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUES AND CORRIDOR AREAS FOR WHAT HIGHER DENSITY TRANSIT ORIENTED.

WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? IT DEPENDS ON THE THE RECOMMENDATION, THE PLACE TYPE RECOMMENDATION.

IT COULD YES, IT COULD BE FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

IF IT'S AN AREA RIGHT AROUND A DART STATION, IT COULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF CORRIDOR IT IS.

OR IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY MIXED USE IF IT'S IN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF AREA.

I MEAN, WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE INDUSTRIALLY ZONED RIGHT NOW AND INDUSTRIAL USED RIGHT NOW THAT ARE RECOMMENDED FOR COMMUNITY MIXED USE.

SO THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE THE APPROACHES THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT.

ALL RIGHT. ON SLIDE 26, YOU HAVE A NOTE THAT LAND USE GUIDES ZONING BUT DOES NOT CREATE ZONING.

AND WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING THE GENERAL ACCURACY OF THAT STATEMENT, WHEN YOU SAY THAT A LAND USE PLAN IN THIS CASE GUIDES ZONING, THAT'S BECAUSE, AS YOU DESCRIBED THE PROCESS THAT A PLANNER FIRST GOES THROUGH WHEN THEY GET A REZONING APPLICATION, YOU

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IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT GUIDES YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

IN FACT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S A VERY STRONG INFLUENCE ON WHAT STAFF WILL RECOMMEND, WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT THE REZONING.

I WOULD HOPE SO TOO.

SO ZONING IS INFLUENCED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? YES. AND THAT'S IN OUR, YOU KNOW, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

IT'S IN YOU KNOW, IT'S STATE LAW.

IT'S IN THE CHARTER. IT'S IN 51 A ALL OF THAT THAT ZONING SHOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE CURRENTLY 16 AUTHORIZED PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THAT WE HAVE WHAT I'LL DESCRIBE AS A MULTI YEAR QUEUE. I AM CURIOUS, PARTICULARLY SINCE YOU ARE ADDING TO THAT POTENTIAL LIST WITH AUTHORIZED HEARINGS TO IMPLEMENT FORWARD DALLAS.

HAVE YOU DIVERTED STAFF FROM AUTHORIZED HEARINGS IN ORDER TO FOCUS THE TEN STAFF THAT ARE WORKING ON FORWARD DALLAS? NO, OUR FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING ON AUTHORIZED HEARINGS ARE STILL ON.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DIVERTED TO FORWARD DALLAS.

AND I WILL SAY THAT WE WERE ABOUT TO HIRE TWO NEW STAFF FOR AUTHORIZED HEARING.

SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

SO AM I. NOW WE'LL FORWARD DALLAS SUPERSEDE EXISTING AREA PLANS.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

WHAT WE HAVE USED AS THE BENCHMARK IS PLANS FROM 2006 MOVING FORWARD.

WE HAD TO DO AND WE DID AN ANALYSIS ON PLANS THAT.

MAY THEY ALIGN AND WILL.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THERE'S NO INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THOSE EXISTING PLANS AND FORWARD DALLAS.

IT'S JUST AT A BROADER SCALE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN OR THE AREA PLANS ARE MORE DETAILED.

SO YES, IT WILL BE SUPERSEDING CERTAIN PLANS, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T GET INCORPORATED AS REFERENCE DOCUMENTS, BUT IF THERE IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE OLDER PLAN AND FORWARD DALLAS FORWARD DALLAS WILL PREVAIL.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING THE PLACE TYPE LAND USE MAP, YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY AND REFLEXIVELY INCORPORATE AN EXISTING AREA PLAN.

YOU LOOK AT IT WITH FRESH EYES.

IT DEPENDS ON THE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN WAS ADOPTED TWO YEARS AGO.

THAT IS A RECENT PLAN.

WE MADE SURE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH FORWARD DALLAS, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A SEAMLESS TRANSITION.

IT HAS THE SAME WEIGHT AS FORWARD DALLAS.

IF WE DO A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN OR A CORRIDOR PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND IT GETS ADOPTED SIX MONTHS AFTER FORWARD DALLAS EITHER ONE, IT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH FORWARD DALLAS OR TWO, WE WILL AMEND FORWARD DALLAS FOR IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

OKAY. AND SO, A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT USUALLY IS, CRITICAL. IT'S INHERENT TO THE PROCESS OF CREATING AN AREA PLAN.

AND SO I THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR US TO ENGAGE THAT AREA IF WE'RE PROPOSING CHANGES IN FORWARD DALLAS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR STAFF IS DOING? YES, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.

MAYOR. CHAIRMAN.

GRACIE, THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, REALLY.

THIS IS THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY CENTERED AROUND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SIDE IN TERMS OF THE GOING OUT, WHICH WAS YOU GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THERE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS.

ANY FEEDBACK FROM PREVIOUS ZONING CASES WHEN THE COMMUNITY COMES AND SPEAKS AGAINST, YOU KNOW, IN MY DISTRICT, WE'VE CONSISTENTLY HAD PEOPLE HAVE TO COME TO TALK ABOUT THE WAREHOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

HOW WAS THAT FACTORED INTO ALL OF THIS AS WELL? AND IF SO, HOW? 100%. AND ACTUALLY, IN YOUR DISTRICT, I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, HOW WE HAVE A FEW AREAS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH ON THE MAP TO FIGURE OUT THE THE BEST STEP FORWARD. AND PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE OF THOSE ONGOING CASES AND THOSE THOSE ONGOING ISSUES, THAT IS ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING AND TALKING SPECIFICALLY TO CPC ABOUT AND SORT OF LISTING OUT ALL OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE.

RIGHT. LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT.

THIS IS WHERE WE COULD GO, BUT WE HAVE THIS, SO WE NEED TO KIND OF WORKSHOP IT MORE SPECIFICALLY TO WORK THROUGH THAT.

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SO ABSOLUTELY TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

AND THAT HAPPENS A LOT IN DATE AS WELL.

THAT WENT A LOT INTO THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR DATE.

WOULD THAT THEN DRIVE? I THINK WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, CITY INITIATED REZONING AND ALL OF THAT.

AND WE CAN GO ON THE RECORD AS SAYING NO MORE WAREHOUSES OR SOME TYPE OF, PLACE TYPE COMBINATION OF SOME SORT.

THAT'S REASONABLE.

INSTEAD OF LOSING ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL.

EXACTLY. IF WE FALL ON A PLATE, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE WILL ONCE WE FALL ON A PLACE TYPE FOR THE SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THAT AREA IF THE ZONING IS LARGELY INCONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT PLACE TYPE.

YES. THAT IS A CITY INITIATED REZONING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT.

IF IT'S LARGELY INCONSISTENT WITH PLACE, I GOT IT.

OKAY. SECOND QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT THE PLACE TYPES TO.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

THIS IS A WEIRD QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO LEARN TO GET BETTER AT ASKING Y'ALL CALLING BEFORE THE MEETING.

BUT THIS ONE IS HOW DO YOU VIEW THE PLACES IN BETWEEN THE THE TRANSITIONAL SPACES? HOW DO HOW IS THAT VIEWED FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT'S VERY CLEAR THE PLACE TYPES.

I LIKE THAT THAT'S I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND THEY ALL HAVE A DEFINITION.

BUT THEN WHEN IT TRANSITIONS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE.

YEAH THAT WAS A Y'ALL CONSIDER THAT THAT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.

AND I THINK DO WE STILL HAVE IT LAWRENCE.

WE HAVE A TRANSITION.

SO WHEN YOU GO TO, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PAGE OF THE PLACE TYPE AND YOU HAVE THE DESCRIPTION, THE GENERAL CHARACTER DESCRIPTION, THEN THE SECOND PAGE, WHEN YOU GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE WEEDS, I THINK WE STILL HAVE OH YEAH, WE HAVE AN ADJACENCY SECTION.

SO HOW DO YOU SORT OF DEAL WITH THOSE TRANSITION AREAS.

BECAUSE WE DID HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

PERFECT. OKAY. I'LL GO BACK AND CHECK THAT OUT.

YEAH. AND THEN THIS IS THE LAST ONE IN IN TERMS OF THESE PLACE TYPES, WE CAN SEE ON THE MAP WHERE YOU HAVE THE YELLOW, I FORGET WHAT YOU CALLED THAT ONE.

COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH. THOSE COMMUNITY.

HAVE WE DONE A AND MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IT.

AND IF I'M THE ONLY ONE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

BUT, AN ANALYSIS OF THESE PLACE TYPES, PARTICULARLY THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, JUST TO KIND OF COMPARE, YOU KNOW, FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT, NOT NECESSARILY TO SAY, SEE, I TOLD YOU, BUT AS WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE NEW IDEAS OF ZERO, LOTS AND ALL OF THIS KIND OF STUFF, HAS AN ANALYSIS BEEN DONE TO SAY, WELL, BASED ON THIS, THREE AND 10TH MAY MAKE SENSE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, OR IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

BUT HAS HAS THERE ANY BEEN DONE, ANY ANALYSIS ON THE COMPARISON OR THE OVERLAPS OF THE COMMUNITY? RESIDENTIAL. AND YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ASKED FOR SOME VERSION OF THAT.

SO WE ARE PLANNING TO DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO MEETINGS SET UP IN THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK TO TALK WITH FOLKS, DATA MINDED FOLKS, RIGHT TO BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN REQUESTS ABOUT ALL DIFFERENT DATA SETS.

AND SO WE COMING OUT OF FORWARD DALLAS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO DO, IS REALLY DRILL DOWN AND WHITTLE INTO FINDING AND COMPILING THE DATA THAT TELLS A STORY OF WHAT THE PICTURE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REAL PICTURE IS GOING ON, AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN MOVING FORWARD? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR CERTAIN? AND I THINK WE CAN ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LAWRENCE IS ALSO WORKING ON IS A MODEL FOR SOME OF THOSE SCENARIO BUILDING.

SO WE HAVE TO GET ALL THE DATA RIGHT SO THAT WE CAN INPUT IT INTO OUR MODELS TO SORT OF LOOK AT SOME SCENARIOS.

SO IF WE DID X THIS COULD HAPPEN.

BUT IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS YOU KNOW THIS COULD HAPPEN.

SO THINKING ABOUT THOSE TRADE OFFS AND HAVING A MORE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENT CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO DOING. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON BRIEFING ITEM B.

THANK YOU.

WHEN YOU GET TO PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION IN YOUR, REGIONAL OPEN SPACE? WHAT DO WE EXPECT TO SEE IN THAT PLACE TYPE.

SO LARGELY IN THAT PLACE TYPE ACTUALLY LAWRENCE, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT? I MEAN, I CAN GO OVER SO LARGELY IN THAT IF YOU WANT TO FILL IN, LARGELY IN THAT PLACE TYPE, IT IS ABOUT PRESERVATION OF EITHER EXISTING REGIONAL PARKLAND, AN EXISTING TRAIL SYSTEM.

THERE WAS A LOT OF AND THEN IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF ACCESSORY DEVELOPMENT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IN A PARK SETTING, IF YOU WANT TO DO SOME TYPE THAT IT'S THAT IT IS SENSITIVE TO THOSE AREAS.

IT'S ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, HOW WE PROTECT THOSE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS, AND THEN ALSO HOW ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE EDGES OF THOSE REGIONAL OPEN SPACE AREAS, HOW THEY'RE EITHER BUFFERED FROM IT

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BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD IN THESE AREAS, IN OUR TRAIL SYSTEM AND ALL OF THAT, IS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE GOOD SEAMLESS ACCESS TO SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES.

BASED ON OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE'D WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT OCCURS.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF YOU HAD A REGIONAL, OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION, IT COULD YOU NOT HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD? COULD YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AS A PART OF THIS PLACE TYPE? NO, IT'S GENERALLY NOT LOOKING AT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE REGIONAL OPEN SPACE, BECAUSE THAT'S GENERALLY LAND THAT IS.

EITHER TO BE PRESERVED FOR PARK SPACE OR IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN IT.

IT IS TO ENHANCE THE PARK SPACE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S LIKE AN AMPHITHEATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY FACILITY THAT COULD HELP SERVE THE PARK SPACE.

SO ON THE CITY CENTER URBAN CORE, COULD YOU HAVE A PLACE TYPE THAT COEXISTS THAT IS, WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PARK LOGISTICS IN THE CITY CENTER? NO. ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE TO ME, IT STILL SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE CREATING ZONES.

AND THAT'S JUST ME.

ALL RIGHT, SO GO BACK TO WHEN YOU'RE OUT WITH THESE CONVERSATIONS AND ONGOING CONVERSATIONS.

WHO IS GIVING YOU INPUT.

IS IT PROPERTY OWNERS OR IS THIS GENERAL PUBLIC? IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF MEETING.

WHEN WE'RE OUT AT A SPECIFIC AREA, IT'S GENERALLY PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO WHEN WE'VE GONE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE MEET AT COMMUNITY CENTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE LIBRARIES IN A CERTAIN AREA, IT IS GENERALLY BEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT AREA.

IF WE HAVE LARGER VIRTUAL MEETINGS OR IF WE HAVE BIG CITY WORKSHOPS, IT COULD BE ANYBODY.

WE'VE MIXED IT UP.

SO HOW DO YOU DETERMINE IF YOUR AUDIENCE IS PROPERTY OWNERS? EVERYBODY SIGNS IN.

BUT WE ARE A WE WELCOME ANY INPUT.

WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO'VE SIGNED IN AND HAVE TOLD US WHERE THEY'RE AT, BUT WE ALSO DON'T REQUIRE IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE OFF PUTTING EITHER.

BUT WE'VE BASICALLY OPENED IT UP TO AND A LOT OF THIS, ACTUALLY A LOT OF OUR MEETINGS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE COME AT THE REQUEST OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

SO WE'VE SPECIFICALLY GONE OUT AND TALKED TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS AT THEIR REQUEST.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THE THE DETERMINATION PROCESS THAT THAT YOU REFERRED TO IS OFTEN TIMES INFLUENCED BY THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE NOT PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO, AS YOU SAY, BE PUT PUT OFF.

BUT WHEN WE COME BACK TO WHO DETERMINES, THE DETERMINATION SHOULD BE DETERMINED BY THOSE WHO OWN THE DIRT, IF YOU WILL. NOW, THE CONCERN HERE IS THAT IF WE KEEP WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I'M NOT HEARING.

AND MAYBE YOU YOU CAUGHT THAT.

YOU SAID IT.

WHERE IS THE EQUITY IN YOUR IN THIS CONVERSATION, WHETHER IT'S RACIAL EQUITY OR QUALITY OF LIFE EQUITY? I THINK THE EQUITY IN THIS IS THAT WE HAVE FOCUSED OUR ENGAGEMENT LARGELY IN AREAS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN ENGAGED IN PLANNING PROCESSES.

WE HAVE GONE OUT TO THOSE COMMUNITIES, AND MADE SURE TO EMPHASIZE OUR ENGAGEMENT IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.

AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ONCE DENIED A REQUEST TO GO OUT, EITHER FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, A PROPERTY OWNER.

WE HAVE GONE OUT TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT, AND THAT HAS BEEN OUR FOCUS FOR OUR ENGAGEMENT.

NOT TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT WE HAVE LARGELY FOCUSED IN AREAS THAT HAVE NOT TRADITIONALLY BEEN INVOLVED.

AND WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED ISSUES INTO THIS PLAN FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT TRADITIONALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THE THE PROCESS.

WE HAVE ELEVATED THOSE ISSUES IN THIS PLAN TO BE FRONT AND CENTER.

SO I DO KNOW THAT THE DIFFICULTY SOMETIMES IS FINDING PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY TIMES ABSENT IN THE PROCESS.

SO YOU DO HAVE A HOME, AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S RENTING WHAT I SEE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN SOME INSTANCES, AND I SEE IT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO COME TO SOME OF OUR MEETINGS AND THEY DON'T LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY WANT TO TELL US WHAT TO DO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THAT'S VERY CONCERNING TO ME, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET IF THE VISION IS DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH THE SAME OLD,

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AND SO THAT'S HOW WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

BUT I THINK IN THE REDLINING THAT WE STILL SUPPORT, BUT WHERE I'M CONCERNED, EVEN IF WE TALK ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS, I GET THE FEEL NOW.

AND THE CITY MANAGER AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, IF THERE IS NO REAL HUSTLE BEHIND A PLAN, ESPECIALLY EQUITY, YOU'RE ALL YOU'RE DOING IS JUST GOING IN MOTION BECAUSE THE SAME UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO STILL BE UNDERSERVED BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL MUSCLE OR MOMENTUM BEHIND CHANGING THE DYNAMICS.

YOU CAN DO ALL THE PLACE TYPES YOU WANT, BUT IF IT IS STILL NOT ATTRACTING EQUITY FOR INDIVIDUALS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, THEN ALL YOU'VE DONE IS JUST WASTED TIME.

AND WE HAVE WASTED TIME EITHER ALSO AROUND THE HORSESHOE.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS.

AND I KNOW I'M HAVING THOSE PROBLEMS NOW WITH SOME OF MY COMMUNITIES.

FOR EXAMPLE, HISTORIC 10TH STREET, WHERE YOU HAVE FOLKS COMING FROM OTHER DISTRICTS TRYING TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING.

AND SO I'VE TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBER CHAD WEST, AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE HAS MEMBERS FROM HIS COMMUNITIES COMING OVER TO TRY TO TELL THIS HISTORIC 10TH STREET WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING WITH WITH THEIR DESTINATION.

AND THEY AND THEN DISTRICT TWO, YOU HAVE A HOUSE, AND OVER HERE IN THE 10TH STREET, YOU DON'T HAVE A YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S FRACTURED.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE I GET CONCERNED WITH HOW YOU ARE ACTUALLY INTAKING AND BRINGING IN THIS INPUT.

SO I WOULD SIMPLY SAY, KEEP ON KEEPING ON.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK, BUT I'M VERY LEERY OF WHAT WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP BEING IF WE DON'T AS A CITY LOCK IN SOMETHING THAT'S SERIOUSLY A POLICY THAT REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HAS MUSCLE ON IT.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR LISTENING.

IS THAT IT? YES, SIR.

OKAY. NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

I WANT TO FIRST SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TO DISTRICT 12.

I THINK YOU'VE BEEN AT THREE TOWN HALLS.

PLUS WE HAD THREE SORT OF DROP IN SESSIONS BOTH DAY AND NIGHT.

I THINK YOU'VE BEEN REALLY RECEPTIVE TO HEARING FROM THE RESIDENTS.

I WOULD SAY OVERALL, I THINK THEY'VE HAD SORT OF ONE VOICE.

I'M NOT SAYING THERE HASN'T BEEN A PERSON HERE OR THERE, BUT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN INPUT FROM THE DISTRICT AND, I'VE ONLY HEARD THE SAME SORT OF THINGS, BASICALLY.

WOULD YOU AGREE THAT'S BEEN THE CASE? YES. OKAY.

SO MUCH OF THIS IS PREDICATED ON THIS IDEA THAT WE NEED MORE HOUSING.

CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH MORE HOUSING WE NEED? I CAN'T. SO THE QUESTION IS DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF HOUSING.

AND THAT'S THE ANALYSIS THAT WE NEED TO DO COMING OUT OF THIS.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION COMING OUT OF THIS IS WE NEED THAT DATA AND TO ANALYZE AND ANALYZE THAT DATA OF EXACTLY HOW MUCH AND WHAT TYPE. SO YOU BROUGHT UP THE COG, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS ESTIMATES ON POPULATION GROWTH.

AND SO FOR DALLAS, THERE'S AN ESTIMATION THAT WE WOULD GROW ANOTHER 300,000.

AND THIS WOULD BE BY 2045.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO A LITTLE MATH HERE.

SO THAT'S GROWING ACTUALLY 331,000.

BUT IT'S OVER 21 YEARS.

SO IF YOU SAY YOU NEED.

TO HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 15,787 PEOPLE A YEAR.

15,787 AND IF TWO PEOPLE WERE IN A HOUSING UNIT.

RIGHT. SO WE HAVE SOME LARGE FAMILIES, SOME SINGLES, BUT IF WE SAY THE AVERAGE IS TWO PER ROOFTOP OR PER DOOR.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LESS THAN 8000 UNITS A YEAR.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

I, I LET THE CITY MANAGER KNOW.

I MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION FOR THOR.

I SEE HIM OVER THERE.

SO YOU PROVIDE THOR MONTHLY UPDATES TO THE HOUSING COMMITTEE.

AND WHAT IT'S SHOWING IS PRODUCTION.

AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST WALK US THROUGH THAT AT LAST MONTH'S, YOU PRODUCE A MEMO AND IT'S GOT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND IT'S GOT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE PRE-DEVELOPMENT.

COULD YOU JUST SHARE WITH THOSE NUMBERS ARE WITH US.

HI. GOOD AFTERNOON, THORAX AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF HOUSING.

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THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION CURRENTLY HAS 2826 UNITS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 10,290 UNITS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF 15,666 THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND THAT'S JUST OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS A CUMULATIVE TOTAL OF CARRY ON THROUGH THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF THE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD THAT ARE NOW IN THAT CONSTRUCTION PHASE, BUT SHOWING THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THIS QUARTER WAS WHAT THIS REPORT SHOWED.

AND WHAT IS THE PREDEVELOPMENT NUMBERS MEAN THAT IN THE SAME REPORT? PREDEVELOPMENT IS THAT THEY ARE UNITS THAT ARE IN THAT APPLICATION PERIOD MIGHT BE UNDER AN UNDERWRITING OR ONE OF THOSE OTHER PHASES BEFORE THEY GET FINAL APPROVAL AND ARE MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION.

AND HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT FOR THOSE SAME PROGRAMS? THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION HAS 1909 UNITS, THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION HAS 3570 UNITS, AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IS 10,072 UNITS.

PLUS, WE HAVE THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS PROGRAM THAT HAS AN ADDITIONAL 3833IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND 5685 UNDER CONSTRUCTION, SO IT'S ANOTHER 15,551 THAT ARE ON PRE-DEVELOPMENT, NOT INCLUDING THE THE DENSITY PROGRAM, NOT INCLUDING HOME REPAIR, AND NOT INCLUDING MANY OTHER THINGS.

SO ACTUALLY IT'S TWICE AS MANY UNITS.

IN PREDEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION AS WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING IN A YEAR TO EVEN MOVE HERE.

THAT IS OUR CURRENT PRODUCTION FORECAST.

YES. OKAY, SO I SAY ALL THAT BECAUSE THE CRISIS OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE, I'M NOT SURE I SEE IT.

I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ENCOURAGE HOUSING.

I THINK WE HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.

BUT THE REALITY IS THERE'S A PRETTY DECENT VACANCY RATE UP IN DISTRICT 12 FOR MULTIFAMILY.

I WELCOME ANYBODY TO COME JOIN US.

CAN I JUST POINT OUT THAT SO FORWARD DOES FORWARD DALLAS DOESN'T MANDATE OR DICTATE THAT YOU NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

IT JUST ANTICIPATES IF THERE IS CHANGE, IT PROVIDES A GUIDE.

IF THERE IS CHANGE, IF NOTHING HAPPENS, IF WE DON'T NEED ONE MORE HOUSING UNIT, IT DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY.

BUT IF IT DOES COME INTO PLAY, IT CHANGE IS PROPOSED.

THEN WE HAVE LAND USE GUIDANCE.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING DENSITY INTO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, AS IF THERE IS NO OTHER LAND AVAILABLE.

WHICH CLEARLY HAVE YOU MET SOUTHERN DALLAS BECAUSE THEY'RE DESPERATE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THEY COME AND TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME.

I ATTENDED MANY OF THE FOUR DALLAS SESSIONS THAT WERE ONLINE AND CALL IN SESSIONS, AND OVERWHELMINGLY SOUTHERN DALLAS IS NOT SAYING WE WANT MORE APARTMENTS.

WHEN WE DID THE HOUSING EQUITY PLAN, THEY WEREN'T SAYING WE WANT MORE APARTMENTS.

THEY ARE CONSISTENTLY SAYING WE WANT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.

SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT IN FORWARD DALLAS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THAT.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT THE VERY FIRST SLIDE YOU HAVE ON PAGE FIVE THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE POINT OF THIS ENTIRE THING IS, IS FUTURE LAND USE AND EMBODYING THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT WE NEED A PLACE TYPE WHERE THE DESIRED DEVELOPMENT IS SINGLE FAMILY, NOT SINGLE FAMILY AND OTHER THINGS, JUST SINGLE FAMILY.

WHAT I WOULD SAY THEN IS THAT'S WHERE A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN COMES INTO PLAY, WHERE YOU CAN GO INTO BECAUSE SAY FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, LARGELY SINGLE FAMILY, OKAY, THEN YOU CAN ZERO IN ON A PARTICULAR AREA THAT YOU WANT, JUST SINGLE FAMILY, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD DO.

BUT YOU HAVE THIS MAP IN HERE.

THERE'S NO PLANS IN MY DISTRICT AT ALL.

NOT EVEN ONE.

BUT YOU HAVE ON HERE AND IT TAKES HOW LONG TO GET A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

RIGHT, BUT THE FORWARD DALLAS ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN YOUR AREA.

OKAY, IT WILL ABSOLUTELY CHANGE THINGS IN MY AREA BASED ON THE WORDS THAT YOU HAVE USED AND INCLUDED IN HERE, BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT THE PREDOMINANT USE OF SINGLE FAMILY.

THEY DON'T WANT PREDOMINANT, THEY JUST WANT THAT EXCLUSIVELY.

ONLY NOT.

BUT WE WILL HAVE A TRIPLEX HERE OR WE WILL HAVE A QUAD HERE.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS A DIFFERENT ZONING THAN SINGLE FAMILY, THAT'S WHAT OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS FOR.

IT SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS PLAN.

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AND I THINK YOU'RE MISSING IT.

AND YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS INPUT, AT LEAST FROM MY DISTRICT, I THINK FROM A LOT OF PLACES, BECAUSE I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE CITY THAT AREN'T GETTING MISINFORMATION, THEY'RE GETTING THE REAL DEAL, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THIS IS HEADED.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS NEW URBANISM MINDSET THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

WHEN YOU DID THIS PLAN IN 2006, AND THAT'S PART OF WHY IT NEEDS TO CHANGE.

THANK YOU. I WOULD SAY THE NEW THE ACTUAL, THE THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE 2006 PLAN IS ACTUALLY MORE DENSE AND INTENSE THAN THIS CURRENT FORWARD DALLAS.

THERE WAS NO SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPE IN 2006.

IT WAS A MIXING INCLUDING APARTMENTS.

MISS WILLIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES AND I'M JUST LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW THE PLAN IS TO WORK THROUGH ITEM C AND NOT BREAK FOR LUNCH.

ALL RIGHT. SO I TOO LOOKED AT THE THE NUMBERS THAT WERE ON SLIDE NINE ABOUT WHAT THE COG IS PREDICTING, AND I CAME UP WITH MORE LIKE 14 THREE A YEAR.

BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT MAY BE AT LEAST TWO OR MORE PER UNIT.

AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY FOCUSED IN ON THE HOUSING ASPECT OF THIS.

I MEAN, THIS IS MORE BROAD THAN THAT, BUT WE KNOW WE'VE GOT MISSING MIDDLE ISSUES, AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN FOCUS ON SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN MULTIFAMILY.

AND AT GBFM, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION RECENTLY THAT OUTLINED WHAT THE PROPERTY VALUE IS, BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND AS YOU RATCHET UP THE SCALE.

AND I THINK THE TOP PROPERTY VALUE WAS FOR CONDOS, DOES THAT MEAN THE WHOLE CITY BECOMES CONDOS? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

NO WAY. BUT THERE ARE AREAS THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR DENSITY.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ARTERIALS OR MAIN ROADWAYS, AROUND TRANSIT STATIONS AND BUS LINES AND AT INTERSECTIONS.

FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE A BIG INTERSECTION THAT IS TWO HOMES AND TWO CHURCHES.

I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD WOULD TOUCH THAT.

NOBODY WANTS TO CHANGE THAT.

I HAVE ANOTHER ONE. THAT'S A SCHOOL, AN OFFICE BUILDING, A GAS STATION AND A HOUSE.

THE HOUSE SEEMS VERY RANDOM, AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO EVALUATE WHERE MIXED USE COULD OCCUR, MAYBE EVEN SOME DIFFERENT HOUSING. BUT THE HOUSE IS THE THING THAT'S FEELING OUT OF PLACE.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE EVERYWHERE.

AND SO I THINK WHEN YOU COMBINE THE NEED FOR OUR MISSING MIDDLE PLUS THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, EVEN IF IT'S ACROSS 21 YEARS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT IT. BUT I THINK WHAT WAS FRIGHTENING TO PEOPLE WAS THAT THE PLANNING MINDSET AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DO, IS. A LITTLE BIT SCARY WHEN YOU KIND OF BLOW IN WITH THE GRAND VISION OF A FORWARD DALLAS PLAN, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PURCHASED THEIR HOME, INVESTED IN THEIR HOME, RAISED THEIR FAMILY, LIVE THEIR LIFE IN THEIR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IT WAS ALMOST A MATTER OF RESPECT, I GUESS, IS WHAT I WOULD DISTILL IT DOWN TO, THAT IT WAS JUST FEELING LIKE THIS WOULD ENCROACH AND DISRUPT THAT, THAT LIFE.

AND THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION HERE, BUT.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WAKE UP TO SOME OF OUR PROCESSES HERE AT CITY HALL.

WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS GOING ON.

AND I THINK NOW THAT IT'S BEGINNING TO GEL, MORE PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO FORWARD DALLAS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD SAID WAS ABOUT HOW.

THE SCOPE OF WHAT GOES INTO A DECISION WILL CHANGE OVER TIME.

AND SO YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT.

THERE'S THE GUIDE AND THEN THERE'S WHAT CREATES.

THERE ARE THE SHOULDS AND THE MUSTS.

AND THAT'S THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN A PLAN AND ZONING.

AND THOUGH WE KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE STEPS IN BETWEEN ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT, COULD YOU GO THROUGH I MEAN, YOU ARE HERE ON FORWARD DALLAS.

SO THERE'S ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT AND IT'S NOT OVER.

THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.

BUT AFTER THAT.

THAT IS SOLVED AND PASSED.

WHAT ARE THE STEPS THAT.

RESIDENTS. A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND OTHERS WILL HAVE WHAT ARE THEIR POINTS OF ENTRY BACK INTO THE PROCESS TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

EVERY ZONING PROCESS IS A PUBLIC PROCESS, RIGHT? SO ESPECIALLY IF WE WERE IF THERE WAS AN AREA THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND PURSUE A CITY INITIATED REZONING, WE'D ALMOST GO START GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE HAVE FOR FORWARD DALLAS.

WE DO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE DO, WE DO MAIL OUTS.

WE, YOU KNOW, TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK.

THAT'S WHERE WE START FROM.

AND THEN WE START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC THE MUSTS, WHAT ARE THE MUSTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT?

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I THINK THAT'S WHY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE REALLY CRITICAL TO, IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING ABLE TO MAIL OUT TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN A PERIMETER OF, YOU KNOW, A POTENTIAL ZONING CASE IS REALLY HELPFUL AS WELL.

AND THEN I THINK BECAUSE THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE REALLY EMPHASIZED TRYING TO BE OR JUST BEING MORE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND KNOWING WHAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THOSE FLASHPOINTS ARE AND WHAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE, SO THAT EVEN IF TECHNICALLY A CERTAIN AREA ISN'T WITHIN THE 500FT FOR A ZONING CASE, RIGHT, WE KNOW THAT THAT COMMUNITY MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING OR AT LEAST WANT TO BE IN THE KNOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT RIGHT, IS I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AGAINST IT IF I AT LEAST KNEW ABOUT IT AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT.

SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING BETTER ABOUT THAT, AS WELL AS BEING MORE PROACTIVELY GOING OUT AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

EVEN IF WE TECHNICALLY BY CODE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.

SO I THINK ALL OF THAT, IT IS A WHOLE OTHER PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO, TO OCCUR IF AND WHEN ANY ZONING HAPPENS.

SO THIS IS A PLAN AND GUIDE.

AND THEN IT'S NOT ZONING.

BUT AS A ZONING CASE WOULD COME UP, THE MECHANISM STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN WITH THE ABILITY TO BE HEARD AND MAKE YOUR FEELINGS KNOWN.

AND THEN AND THEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.

EXACTLY. NONE OF IT GOES TO CPC TOO.

SO NONE OF THESE THINGS, ALL ZONING CASES, THEY'LL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

THEN THEY HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT CITY COUNCIL.

SO IT GETS VETTED THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS AS WELL.

ONE OTHER THING THAT I LIKED THAT YOU SEEM TO BE MOVING TOWARD IS WHEN DO YOU REFRESH THIS PLAN? AND YOU REFERENCED, I THINK, A 5 TO 10 YEAR TIME FRAME.

YES. SO THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO TEST THE WATERS AGAIN WITH, YOU KNOW, 14 OR 15,000 PEOPLE A YEAR COMING TO DALLAS OVER THE NEXT 21 YEARS.

I THINK PEOPLE MAY BEGIN TO FEEL THIS IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND WANT SOME OF THE THE DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THERE'S WALKABILITY AND MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, THAT SORT OF THING.

ONE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED WAS ANOTHER, I GUESS THE ONE YEAR REVISIT.

YES. LIKE AS THIS IS TESTED, MAYBE WITH ZONING CASES OR OTHER WAYS THAT THERE COULD BE A MECHANISM BUILT IN WHERE IT'S REVISITED ANNUALLY TO JUST START CATCHING THOSE THINGS AND RECTIFY ANY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, RESIDENT CONCERNS.

ABSOLUTELY. SO I THINK, YES, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS SORT OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS LOOK AT IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

SO IT'S NOT ONLY JUST, YOU KNOW, WEAR A CHECK IN ON IMPLEMENTATION, BUT ALSO TO SORT OF TEST WHERE SOME OF THE ZONING ISSUES MIGHT BE, WHERE WE MAY NEED DO WE NEED TO AMEND THE LAND USE PLAN BECAUSE SOMETHING CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND DO THAT, YOU KNOW, TOUCHING BASE ON A YEARLY BASIS.

AND I DID MAKE A REQUEST OF YOU ABOUT WHETHER OUR BIG CITY OF LIGHT YELLOW, WHICH IS OUR COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, COULD EVEN GO INTO LIKE A DARK YELLOW THAT WOULD INDICATE JUST SINGLE FAMILY.

BUT COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ DID BRING UP A POINT ABOUT SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE.

AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT DISCUSSION TO SEE HOW WE COULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BALM TO THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY ASPECT OF THIS.

I WOULD LOVE TO GO THROUGH AND TAKE OUT WHAT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IS IN COMMUNITY, RESIDENTIAL, AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH CPC AND PICK IT APART, THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE.

SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP WITH SOME ASSURANCES THERE, AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT THE PRIMARY LAND USES VERSUS THE SUPPORTING LAND USES.

AND DO DOES ANY ADJUSTMENT NEED TO BE MADE THERE.

SO THAT'S FURTHER EMPHASIZED.

WHAT. THE INTENT OF THAT PLACE TYPE IS VERSUS WHAT IS.

JUST LIKE IF A PROPERTY OWNER CAME IN AND SOMETHING REALLY MADE SENSE AND EVERYBODY LOVED IT, YOU HAD THE FLEXIBILITY TO TO RECOMMEND IT AND NOT HAVE TO GO AGAINST THE PLAN. I'M GOING TO GO TO CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ FOR FIVE MINUTES AND THEN COME BACK TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND THEN CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, OBVIOUSLY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE, THEY'RE NERVOUS.

THEY'RE SCARED.

BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS OUTSIDE OF FORWARD DALLAS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD MAYBE TOO EARLY AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE

[03:05:08]

SO OF COURSE, NOW PEOPLE ARE, QUESTIONING AND JUST I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND THEY'RE VERY ORGANIZED NOW.

THE NEXT THING IS, WE USED TO HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE MVA, PROBABLY BEFORE YOUR TIME.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO IT? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A HOT MINUTE.

AND, IT KIND OF BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS, IF ANY OF IT'S HELPED THOSE, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO TARGET.

SO THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED AT IT AT A HOT MINUTE AGO.

WELL, HOLD ON BEFORE BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR DOWN THERE, THE CITY ATTORNEY WANTS TO KNOW IF YOU KNOW.

OR CAN YOU MAKE THIS AS TIGHTLY TAILORED TO.

SURE. SO SO FOR FORWARD DALLAS.

WHAT IT WHAT THE MVA IS IS, IS WE HAVE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE TARGETED LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR, FOR DALLAS.

AND SO THE MVA WAS THE, PRICING OF THE VALUES OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE HOMES AND WHAT IT COSTS.

SO, THAT'S ALSO WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH FORWARD DALLAS IS HOW DO WE GET TO, MAKE SURE THAT THIS WORKS FOR, EMERGING COMMUNITIES, IF I'M CORRECT.

RIGHT. YEAH.

SO WHAT I SAID, OKAY, IF SHE'S SATISFIED, I'M SATISFIED.

OKAY. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO I WANT US TO SAY THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY.

IN GENERALITIES, WHAT I WOULD SAY WITH FROM THE THE MVA PERSPECTIVE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS COMING OUT OF THIS PLAN.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MIGHT DO CITY INITIATED REZONINGS, WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS OUR ZONING EFFORTS OR WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING DIFFERENT RESOURCES.

ALL OF OUR DATA SETS, WE ARE WORKING TO LAYER ON TO THE LAND USE MAP TO START TRYING TO TELL A STORY OF WHERE SOME POTENTIAL FOCUS AREAS ARE.

AND THE MVA IS ONE OF THOSE, WHICH I THINK HAS JUST BEEN UPDATED, IS ONE OF THOSE DATA SETS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO ADD ON AS SOMETHING JUST IN THE WHOLE SERIES OF DATA SETS THAT WE COULD USE, SAY, THIS AREA HITS ALL TEN OF THOSE DATA SETS.

WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THIS AREA.

AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THIS AREA AND COLLABORATE ON VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA ONLY HITS ONE OF THE DATA SETS IN THE LAYERS.

SO IT'S A TOOL THAT WE'RE USING FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE TO INFORM HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND THEN THE NEXT THING I WANT TO KNOW IS YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU TALKED ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AT THE BEGINNING, AND THEN YOU MOVED INTO LIKE PLANNED NEW AREAS, WHICH I THINK IS WHERE I'M MOST OPEN AND EXCITED.

AND I THINK THAT RESIDENTS IN OUR CITY WOULD BE AS WELL FOR THAT MIXED TYPE OF, DENSITY, BECAUSE WE DO NEED IT.

WE NEED THAT LIGHT DENSITY AND WE NEED THAT MIXED DENSITY.

BUT IT'S HOW DO WE DO IT? AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN I'VE BEEN SHAKING EVERYTHING I CAN TO GET THINGS, DEVELOPED, NORTH, LIKE WHERE 183 AND 35 SPLIT.

SO NORTH OF 183, ALL THE WAY UP THE THE UPPER UPPER STEMMONS CORRIDOR TO 635.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, EVEN AGAINST STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND, THE HFCA AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, THANKS TO MY COLLEAGUES ON DIFFERENT BODIES HERE.

WE WE ALREADY GOT OUR FIRST COMPLEX OPEN.

WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE OUR SECOND ONE OPEN.

THE THIRD ONE. NOW, I'VE GOT ANOTHER DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO CONVERT AN OFFICE BUILDING.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT WHERE I CAN SEE THAT WORKING.

BUT IT'S HOW DO WE DO IT? SO, AND THEN THE REAUTHORIZING.

SO ANYWAY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT I JUST MENTIONED. YES.

SO ONE, DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT GENERAL PLACE TYPE TO HELP FACILITATE AND SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? AND THEN TWO, SORT OF ON THAT SECOND PAGE OF THE PLACE TYPE, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH DESIGN GUIDANCE AND SORT OF FORM GUIDANCE AND TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT GUIDANCE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE LIKE ON YOUR SIDEWALKS IN THE LANDSCAPING? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT GUIDANCE.

SO YOU. GET A WELL-DESIGNED PRODUCT AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT JUST WE ALSO WANT TO JUST IT'S THE USE.

YES. BUT WE ALSO JUST DON'T WANT TO SAY, OKAY, DO THAT, USE WHATEVER.

AND IT CAN BE SILOED AND IT DOESN'T INCORPORATE AND CREATE COMMUNITY.

VERY GOOD. AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO THE MEETINGS AS WELL, LISTENED TO SOME ONLINE AND THEY'VE BEEN GOOD.

I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND SOME THINGS THAT I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT'S INTERESTING.

OR, YOU KNOW, SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE A PUSH BACK ON THE ONE YEAR THING, AND MAYBE IT'S CHANGED, BUT

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AND WE HAVE OTHERS THAT I KNOW HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS.

SO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF WITH FORWARD DALLAS? SO ONE, I WILL SAY THAT SO IN COMPARISON.

SO WE'RE DOING AUTHORIZED HEARINGS RIGHT NOW IN WEST OAK CLIFF, WHICH HAS A PLAN.

IT HAS A LAID OUT VISION GUIDANCE.

IT HELPS US WITH THE STARTING POINT.

WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A LAND USE STARTING POINT.

I MEAN, MAN, YOU CAN THROW ANYTHING AT THE WALL AND PEOPLE START SAYING ZONING AND IT DOESN'T GROUND YOU IN A STARTING POINT.

SO ONE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, IT TENDS TO TAKE LONGER TO COME UP WITH ZONING OPTIONS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LAND USE GUIDANCE ALREADY ESTABLISHED.

BUT THEN I THINK IN THE PAST TWO AND THIS WAS BEFORE MY TIME, I SORT OF WALKED INTO THIS.

WE WERE SORT OF GOING THROUGH THIS LONG PROCESS OF CREATING STEERING COMMITTEES, AND THEN THE STEERING COMMITTEES WOULD DO THE REVIEW FIRST, AND THEN WE'D GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN IT COULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING.

IT ALMOST ADDED ON.

IT WAS LIKE TWO PROCESSES IN ONE, AND IT JUST ADDED ON SO MUCH EXTRA TIME, THAT I THINK WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO WITH THESE NEW AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS SETTING UP A CORE TEAM KIND OF TO FUNCTION LIKE A STEERING COMMITTEE, BUT SET UP A CORE TEAM.

BUT EVERYTHING'S HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ALMOST CUT OFF SIX MONTHS OF THE PROCESS, AT LEAST TO NOT GO THROUGH THAT SEPARATE STEERING COMMITTEE PROCESS AND REALLY JUST OPEN IT UP AT THIS AT THE ONSET TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

AND THEN AGAIN, WITH THE LAND USE GUIDANCE, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL START TO SHAVE OFF SOME OF THAT EXTRA TIME.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS TO EXISTING, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE DO THESE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS AND NOW THEIR ZONING CHANGES ON TOP OF THEM? WHAT HAPPENS THEN? SO IF YOU'RE IF YOU DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING, IF YOU SO IF THERE'S AN AUTHOR, IF THERE'S A ZONING CHANGE AUTHORIZED HEARING, YOU CAN CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR PROPERTY IN PERPETUITY. IT'S WHEN IF YOU DECIDE TO REDEVELOP OR CHANGE, THEN YOU NEED TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW ZONING.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZED HEARINGS ARE GREAT.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT OWNER STAYS THERE.

THEY CAN STAY THERE FOREVER.

AND NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO THEM.

SO THAT IS THE CHALLENGE.

YES. OKAY. THAT'S THAT THING.

AND THEN, THE NEXT THING IS, IT'S COME UP MANY TIMES, BUT WE HAVE TONS OF PDS.

AND SO I KNOW YOU WERE TRYING TO TOUCH ON THAT, BUT I WHAT WEREN'T PDS CREATED SO THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW PLANS AND, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU? HOW DO YOU ENFORCE FORWARD DALLAS IF PEOPLE DECIDE TO DO PDS? BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE THE WAY EVERYBODY GETS AROUND OUR PLANS.

SO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PAST.

SO IS THERE A LEGAL WAY TO ENFORCE FORWARD DALLAS OVER THOSE PDS? WELL, SO PD IS JUST AS IT'S STILL ZONING.

I MEAN, IT'S ZONING, RIGHT? SO A PD, IF YOU CREATE A PD, IT STILL SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN.

IT SHOULD BE. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS.

WELL, BECAUSE IN A LOT OF AREAS WE HAVEN'T HAD THEM.

AND WE'VE KIND OF BEEN USING PDS LIKE PLANS.

SO HOPEFULLY NOW THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS IS AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHEN STAFF WENT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND WE SAID, OKAY, YOU WANT US TO DO FORWARD DALLAS AND A LAND USE PLAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATED CODE.

CLEARLY EVERYBODY'S ASKING FOR PDS.

WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT OUR CODE.

SO PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO SIMULTANEOUSLY, IT'S GOING TO COME AFTER, IS LOOKING AT HOW WE MAKE A MORE USER FRIENDLY CODE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR A PD FOR EVERYTHING.

YOU CAN ASK FOR BASE ZONING AND THEN JUST DEVELOP ACCORDING TO A BASE ZONE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO CREATE A MINI PD, A MINI ZONING ORDINANCE FOR EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY THAT COMES THROUGH.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

AND THEN, IT'S.

THE LAST THING I THINK I HAVE IS I'M ALL ABOUT PUTTING IN CHECK INS IN ANY POLICY THAT I'VE BEEN PART OF.

I'M ALWAYS LIKE, CAN WE HAVE A THREE YEAR REVIEW OR A FIVE YEAR, WHATEVER IT IS? THE ANNUAL MIGHT BE TOO MUCH BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU COMPLETE IT, YOU'RE ALREADY STARTING TO HAVE TO RELOOK AT IT.

AND I'M, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THINGS? OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT TO KEEP UP ANNUALLY FOR THE PROGRESS, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER THOSE METRICS ARE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU WILL BE TELLING US LATER WHAT WE THINK THOSE METRICS SHOULD BE.

AND THEN, WILL WE AMEND THOSE METRICS IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS FROM NOW, DALLAS WILL BE CHANGED.

IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT WORLD, JUST LIKE IT WAS 30 YEARS AGO.

SO, I DEFINITELY THINK FOR THIS, MAYBE FOR THE TIME BEING, IT'S, YOU KNOW, REEVALUATE FORWARD DALLAS EVERY THREE YEARS, JUST AT THE BEGINNING TO SEE IF

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SO YOU GET THOSE, MASSAGES THAT YOU CAN NEED.

AND ALSO, COUNCILS WILL BE DIFFERENT.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WE DO.

I WOULD SAY FULL BLOWN REVIEW, PROBABLY FIVE YEARS.

THE ANNUAL REVIEW IS MORE OF JUST A WHAT HAS WHAT ZONING CASES HAVE BEEN APPROVED THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE LAND USE PLAN SAYS, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF DO A CHECK IN WITH HOW CONSISTENT WE WERE WITH IT, VERSUS MAYBE AN AREA THAT WE MAYBE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION IN THE COMING YEARS.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OF COURSE, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES, AND THEN CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. BASED ON YOUR INPUT, I WOULD ASSUME FROM DISTRICT FOUR.

WHAT WHAT PLACE TYPES DO YOU THINK WILL HELP TO GENERATE SINGLE INCREASE INTO SINGLE FAMILY, MARKET RATE HOUSING? SO WE DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL IN DISTRICT FOUR, WHICH CALLS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

REPEAT THAT AGAIN.

SO THE THE PLACE TYPE NAME, IT'S COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AND IT IS A PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE, IF YOU WANTED TO INFILL WITH NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU WANTED TO BUILD NEW SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS. THAT COULD ALL HAPPEN IN THAT PLACE TYPE.

WOULD THOSE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING THE INCREASE IN THAT PLACE TYPE? WILL THAT WILL THAT ENHANCE THE NUMBER OF INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ROOFTOPS THAT WILL THAT WE TRADITIONALLY ARE TOLD ROOFTOPS BRING IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT CAN.

BUT BUT THERE'S NO PROMISE THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE MARKET IS THEN GOING TO BUILD IT.

SO WHAT? I'M.

OKAY, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THAT I DON'T REALLY I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS PLAN NURTURING, THE TYPE OF DENSITY.

I MEAN, NOT THE DENSITY, THE BUILD FOR A SINGLE FAMILY.

BECAUSE ZONING AND PROTECTION OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

BUT BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT DISTRICT FOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY SPACES WHERE YOU CAN DO WHAT I CALL THESE SCIENCE FAIR PROJECTS, WHERE YOU'RE SAYING, OH, WE NEED TO WE NEED TO BE WALKABLE AND SUSTAINABLE.

FOR ME, WE HAVE LESS, ACREAGE AND AND AND YOU'RE TRYING WITH THESE.

YOU COME IN TRYING TO TO UP WITH AN UPHEAVAL OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

AND FOR ME, YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE IT'S FREE AND CLEAR, LANDSCAPE, WHICH MAY BE OUT AROUND THE CEDAR CREST AREA.

SO FOR ME, I GET TO PUSH BACK ON THIS WHOLE NOTION OF THESE ITEMS, THESE PLACE TYPES.

WHAT ARE THEY REALLY HOW ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO BENEFIT MY COMMUNITY? BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE TO ALSO KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE DOING ALL THESE PLACE TYPES, YOU'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTING THOSE, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS OR NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE IN GENERAL THAT ARE AFFECTED, VOTING PATTERNS, REDISTRICTING, ALL OF WHICH WE DEPEND ON, SO THAT WHEN WE GET DOWN HERE, WHOEVER IS SITTING HERE CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS. AND SO WHAT'S BEING DESCRIBED TO ME KIND OF SCARES ME, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO END UP DISMANTLING ESPECIALLY THIS IS WHAT I, WHAT I'M GETTING FROM MY SINGLE FAMILIES THAT YOU'RE THAT THAT WE ARE UNDER ATTACK AND YOU WANT EVERYONE TO GET RID OF THEIR CARS, EVERYBODY WALK TO WORK.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING.

AND SO THAT WORKS.

MAYBE I'M NO PERSONAL ATTACK HERE.

DO THAT AT HENSLEY FIELD BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A WIDE OPEN, CLEAN LANDSCAPE AND YOU CAN DO ALL THESE EXPERIMENTS.

BUT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS A LAND TYPE AND A PLAN THAT ENCOURAGES THE BUILD OF MARKET HOMES, THAT WILL CREATE ROOFTOPS, THAT WILL DRAW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHOLE PLAN.

AND THAT'S WHY I KEEP ASKING ABOUT EQUITY AND THE ADOPTION AND THE SUPPORT OF A PLAN THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN LONG TERM, AND WHICH IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE AS WE CHANGE, SO DOES PHILOSOPHY CHANGE.

BUT I AM ONE OF THOSE TRADITIONALS THAT BELIEVE THAT THIS CITY IS BUILT AROUND FAMILIES, AND WE WE NEED TO BE PROTECTED AND NOT THREATENED BY THESE NEW EXPERIMENTS, WHAT I CALL THESE SCIENCE FAIR PROJECTS THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT.

AND I'M NOT AGAINST TECHNOLOGY AT ALL, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE MY NEIGHBORS WANT TO WALK TO WORK OR WALK TO THE HOSPITAL AND PUT THEIR CARS, AND PUT THEIR CARS, BACK THERE, I GUESS, THE LANDFILL.

AND THEN CATCH THE UBER.

THANK YOU. THAT'S YOUR TIME.

AND JUST ON THAT POINT, I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS PLAN THAT SAYS ANYBODY HAS TO DO THAT.

IT ALLOWS THE POSSIBILITY OF CERTAIN AREAS SHOULD WANT TO DO THAT OR MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

IT DOESN'T SAY ANYBODY HAS TO DO IT.

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I WILL ALSO SAY THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS IN YOUR DISTRICT RIGHT NOW THAT RESIDENTIAL IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE BUILT, AND THIS PLAN IS RECOMMENDING PLACE TYPES THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME MIXING OF RESIDENTIAL TO BE INCORPORATED IN IT.

SO MOVING AWAY FROM SOME OF THOSE MORE PROBLEMATIC USES THAT HAVE WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST AND I WOULD I DO THINK WE SHOULD I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE WITH YOU, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE MAP AND REALLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

CHAIRMAN GRACEY RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, ARNOLD, I TAKE NO OFFENSE, BUT WHY? YOU GOT A POINT SO HARD AT ME, THOUGH, LIKE, I.

I'M SORRY. IN MY HEAD, THAT'S WHERE I AM MOST OF THE TIME.

TO THAT POINT, I THINK.

AND WHERE SHE'S GOING WITH IT.

AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK NOW THAT I HAVE MY FEET UNDER ME A LITTLE BIT TOO, I THINK I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'VE MET TO GO THROUGH THIS, AND I'M SURE WE HAVE, BUT I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER IT.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS FOR US TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO GO BACK THROUGH THIS, NOW THAT I AGAIN HAVE MY FEET UNDER ME, AND IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, I'D LOVE TO TO TO DO IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH DISTRICT FOUR AS WELL.

SINCE THERE'S SO MUCH OVERLAP IN THAT CONVERSATION, I THINK WE'D LOVE IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN MENDELSOHN.

THANK YOU.

YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE IT SORT OF STUCK IN MY BRAIN.

YOU SAID THAT THAT WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS EVEN UP TO THE DAY OF THE VOTE.

WHAT IS IT YOU THINK THAT WE WOULD STILL BE QUESTIONING THE DAY OF THE VOTE? AND CAN WE GET AHEAD OF THAT? I DON'T WANT TO COME HERE WITH QUESTIONS ON THE DAY OF A VOTE.

I DON'T KNOW IF QUESTIONS SO MUCH, BUT I'M SAYING I WE WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE EVERYONE 100% HAPPY WITH THIS PLAN.

SO THERE MAY BE SOMEBODY WHO IS 95%, 5% UNHAPPY STILL WITH THE PLAN AND THAT 5% THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON THE DAY OF THE VOTE. THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I MEAN.

OKAY. WELL, I'LL GO AS FAR AS TELLING YOU THAT I WON'T VOTE FOR A PLAN THAT DOESN'T PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I DO THINK SINGLE FAMILY SHOULD INCLUDE CHURCHES AND SCHOOLS.

I THINK THAT IS PART OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT WHEN YOU START PUTTING IN MULTIPLE UNITS OF HOUSING, DUPLEX QUADS, YOU PUT OTHER SORTS OF USES. YOU'VE LOST ME, AND THAT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF MY AREA.

AND VERY OFTEN Y'ALL HAVE SAID, OH, WE NEED THIS TO BE CITYWIDE AND WE CAN'T GO DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, I SAY, YES, YOU CAN.

AND NO, WE DO NOT NEED EVERYTHING TO BE CITYWIDE BECAUSE WE ARE A VERY DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MUSEUMS ARE IN MR. RIDLEY'S DISTRICT, BUT I HAVE ZERO.

THERE'S ALL SORTS OF AMENITIES THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THAT ARE NOT LIKE MY DISTRICT.

AND THEN MY DISTRICT IS NOT LIKE MANY OF YOURS.

AND SO I OFTEN WILL TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

MY DISTRICT IS ALSO A LOT YOUNGER.

WHEN 85% OF MY DISTRICT ONLY HAD 200 PEOPLE WHEN I WAS IN JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, AND NOW IT JUST THAT SAME SECTION HAS OVER 80,000.

IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF PART OF THE CITY.

WE MIGHT NOT NEED EXACTLY THE SAME THING EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.

AND I REJECT THIS IDEA THAT ANYTHING SHOULD BE REALLY ONE SIZE FITS ALL OTHER THAN STANDARDS OF LIFE, MEANING EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A SAFE AND HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT. EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF STANDARDS OF RESPONSE FOR SANITATION, RESPONSE, FOR CODE.

ALL OF THAT IS UNIFORM.

BUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE CAN'T BE THE SAME BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN ARE DIFFERENT.

SO I IMPLORE YOU TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, AT LEAST FROM MY COMMUNITY.

I THINK YOU'VE HEARD IT ACROSS THE CITY, BECAUSE, AGAIN, LOTS OF PEOPLE CONTACTING ME THAT ARE NOT FROM MY DISTRICT SAYING THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP FOR WHAT WE THINK.

AND THESE ARE OUR VOTERS, THESE ARE OUR RESIDENTS, THESE ARE OUR TAXPAYERS.

AND SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY NEED MORE EDUCATION, IT'S THAT I'M NOT SURE WE'RE REALLY LISTENING TO WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU.

AND I, AGAIN, ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BACK AND RETHINK IF YOU CAN'T.

SMALL SIZE, WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS.

SO THAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE MULTIFAMILY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

JUST BRIEFLY. I DIDN'T WANT TO COMMENT.

I THINK COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN FOR HER STATEMENT.

I JUST PROBABLY WANTED A LEVEL SET AND CLARIFY.

I DON'T THINK STAFF IS EVER INTIMATED THAT FORWARD DALLAS WAS SOLELY FOCUSED ON DOING SOMETHING.

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AND THAT WHOLE STATEMENT AND CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND HOW WE'RE APPROACHING IT.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY A FOREIGN DISCUSSION FROM ANYTHING THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THIS TABLE, OTHER THAN US TRYING DESPERATELY TO SEPARATE THE VERY CONVERSATION YOU WERE JUST HAVING ABOUT THE FEELING THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE OF FORWARD DALLAS, ARE IN SOME KIND OF JEOPARDY OR UNDER ATTACK.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, BEYOND THE SOUND BITES, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT THIS BRIEFING WAS ABOUT TODAY.

IT WAS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PROCESS, OUR ENGAGEMENT, WHAT FORWARD DALLAS IS, WHAT PLACE TYPES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAND USE MAP THAT WE'VE NEVER ACTUALLY HAD IN THIS CITY? AND SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BEFORE ANYONE LEAVES WITH THAT, THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT WAS GIVEN, BECAUSE THAT WAS NEVER THE MESSAGE THAT WE BROADCAST OR SHARED WAS OUR INTENTION AROUND THIS PLANNING EFFORT.

AND THE COLLIDING OF THOSE ISSUES, BASED ON THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, HAS RESULTED IN THIS CONVERSATION.

AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE AT LEAST THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THOSE ARE SEPARATE ISSUES.

YES, ZONING HAS TO COME INTO PLAY AT SOME POINT, BUT AS DESCRIBED IN GREAT DETAIL, THERE ARE SEPARATE AND TWO AND THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROCESSES THAT WILL HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN TO CHANGE ANYONE'S ZONING WHATSOEVER BECAUSE OF THIS PLAN.

AND SO AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE AS A STAFF, I GUESS, REMINDED THAT PEOPLE VOTE AND PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE I'M QUITE SURE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR ENGAGEMENT AROUND FORWARD DALLAS.

AND THAT IS, AGAIN, WHY WE'RE FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT FORWARD DALLAS DOES, WHAT IT IS, HOW IT BENEFITS THE PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS ULTIMATELY IN THE END.

SO I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON THE COMMENT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.

I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT IT FOR THE RECORD.

AND THE MAYOR DIDN'T WANT ME TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE LUNCH, PEOPLE DIDN'T WALK AWAY LIKE THERE WAS AN EPIPHANY THAT SOMETHING WAS NOT BEING UNDERSTOOD BY MY TEAM BECAUSE I THINK ONE, THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO, AND THEY HAVE UNDERSTOOD AND LISTENED AND HEAR THE FEEDBACK AND HAVE HEARD COUNCIL SENTIMENTS ABOUT THIS ISSUE AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC'S.

AND WE'VE BEEN VERY, VERY DELIBERATE TODAY TO TRY TO DISTINGUISH WHAT THIS PLAN DOES AND WHAT IT DOES NOT.

AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT UNTIL AGAIN, THE LAST STATEMENT THAT I HEARD.

THANK YOU. YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE MAYOR'S FADING.

MAIER NEED FOOD, MAYOR.

HUNGRY? GO AHEAD.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE.

THANK YOU. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTIONAL LANGUAGE THAT'S USED, THAT SOMEBODY IS SCARED OR THAT WE'RE FEARFUL.

THIS IS NOT AN EMOTIONAL THING.

IT'S THE FACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT OF EMBODYING THE DESIRE, DEVELOPMENT, CHARACTER YOU'VE SAID YOU'RE GOING TO USE FOR DALLAS TO INFORM ZONING. WELL, WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT THAT DOCUMENT, I WANT YOU TO VERY CLEARLY SEE, SORRY, THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY ONLY, PLUS PARKS AND SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES.

AND BEYOND THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO SEE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

SO I WANT IT TO BE THAT CLEAR.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EMOTIONAL.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INCORRECT INFORMATION.

THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT'S IN THE VERBIAGE OF YOUR PRESENTATION AND IN THE DOCUMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED.

AND THAT'S THE REACTION YOU'RE GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S YOUR OWN WORDS COMING BACK, AND SO PLEASE STOP CHARACTERIZING IT AS SOME EMOTIONAL RESPONSE.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ITEM C THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[C. 24-283 Oncor Electric Delivery Company LLC Franchise Agreement]

IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK.

THANK YOU.

MAYOR. THE LAST BRIEFING, AS STAFF READIES THEMSELVES TO COME TO THE TABLE, IS A PRESENTATION ON THE ONCOR FRANCHISE EXTENSION.

ONCOR PROVIDES ELECTRICAL TRANSMISSION AND DELIVERY SERVICES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AS AUTHORIZED BY THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION OF TEXAS AND THE CITY OF DALLAS ORDINANCE GRANTING THE FRANCHISE THE CURRENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES MARCH 31ST, 2024.

I WILL TURN THE BRIEFING OVER TO NICK FEHRENBACH, MANAGER OF THE REGULATORY AFFAIRS AND BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES, TO EXPLAIN THE NEGOTIATED TERMS. NICK. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I REALIZE IT'S BEEN A LONG MORNING, BUT I WILL TRY AND BE SOMEWHAT BRIEF.

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SINCE IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE SINCE WE'VE DONE A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, I DO WANT TO EXPLAIN UTILITY FRANCHISING A LITTLE BIT, AS WELL AS THE OTHER UTILITIES.

WE FRANCHISE ELECTRIC ISSUES THAT REALLY AREN'T PART OF THE FRANCHISE.

THE PROPOSED EXTENSION AND THE RECOMMENDATION AND NEXT STEPS.

THE UTILITY FRANCHISE GRANTS A NON-EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY IN EXCHANGE FOR MONETARY AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

UTILITIES NEED THE USE OF OUR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WAS PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYERS.

THEY USE THIS TO INSTALL THEIR POLES AND WIRES RIGHT OF WAY INCLUDES STREETS, ALLEYS, HIGHWAYS, PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENTS AND OTHER PUBLIC WAYS.

AND WITHOUT THAT, THE UTILITIES WOULD HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN PRIVATE EASEMENTS.

HISTORICALLY, THE CITY HAS FRANCHISED TELEPHONE, CABLE TV, GAS AND ELECTRIC UNDER THE STATE CONSTITUTION, THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO RECEIVE FAIR VALUE FOR THE USE OF PUBLIC PROPERTY.

RIGHT OF WAY, THOUGH SOMEWHAT OF A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO IT'S HARD TO PUT A VALUE ON THAT.

BUT HISTORICALLY, A PERCENTAGE OF GROSS RECEIPTS HAS BEEN CONSIDERED FAIR AND REASONABLE.

USE OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS ALSO THE BASIS FOR OUR REGULATION OF UTILITY RATES.

BUT IT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE.

THE CITY HAS ORIGINAL JURISDICTION OVER THE RATES OF ONCOR.

THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION HAS APPELLATE JURISDICTION.

AT THE PRESENT TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ELECTRIC RATE CASES PENDING.

FRANCHISES ARE SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IN THAT THERE ARE BOTH A CONTRACT, A LEASE FOR THE USE OF PUBLIC PROPERTY, AS WELL AS A REGULATORY DOCUMENT THAT SPELLS OUT SOME OF OUR REGULATORY RESPONSIBILITIES.

FRANCHISE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED BY THE CITY, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A FORMAL ACCEPTANCE BY THE COMPANY.

SO AGAIN, IT'S AN ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S ALSO A CONTRACT.

UNDER OUR CITY CHARTER.

CHAPTER 14.

THE CITY MAY CONFER A FRANCHISE TO ANY FIRM OR CORPORATION WANTS TO USE THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.

YOU CANNOT GRANT AN EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE.

NO FRANCHISE CAN BE MORE THAN 40 YEARS AND A MINIMUM FRANCHISE FEE OF 4% OF GROSS RECEIPTS.

WITH REGARD TO TELEPHONE.

HOUSE BILL 1777 BACK IN 1999 ELIMINATED MUNICIPAL FRANCHISING OF TELEPHONE COMPANIES.

THEY WERE ALLOWED TO TERMINATE THEIR AGREEMENTS.

THEY ARE DUE COMPENSATE THE CITY FOR USE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.

BUT IT'S NOW ON A PER ACCESS LINE BASIS.

THE INITIAL ACCESS LINE FEES WERE CALCULATED USING OUR HISTORIC GROSS RECEIPTS, FRANCHISE FEES, AND DIVIDING THAT BY ACCESS LINES.

THAT LINE RATE IS ADJUSTED EACH YEAR BY ONE HALF OF THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

SO THERE IS AN INFLATION ADJUSTMENT IN THERE.

CABLE TV THE STATE LEGISLATURE WITH SENATE BILL 5 IN 2005 TOOK THAT AWAY.

ALSO, THEY MADE THE STATE THE FRANCHISING AUTHORITY.

COMPANIES WERE GRANDFATHERED ON THEIR OLD FRANCHISES UNTIL THEY EXPIRED.

UNDER THE STATE FRANCHISE, THEY STILL PAY THE CITY A 5% FRANCHISE FEE, AS WELL AS 1% FOR PEG OR PUBLIC, EDUCATIONAL, GOVERNMENT USE OF THE SYSTEM.

AND ALL OF THE CABLE PROVIDERS IN DALLAS ARE OPERATING UNDER STATE ISSUED FRANCHISES.

ATMOS ENERGY CORP., WHICH PROVIDES GAS SERVICE.

THEY DO HAVE A FRANCHISE FROM THE CITY.

ORDINANCE 27 793 FROM JANUARY OF 2010 THAT EXPIRES IN DECEMBER OF 25.

THERE IS A PROVISION IN THAT FRANCHISE FOR AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF ANOTHER 15 YEAR TERM, UNLESS THE CITY GIVES 120 DAYS NOTICE PRIOR TO EXPIRATION THAT WE WANT TO TERMINATE THAT THE FRANCHISE FEE IS 5%, AND WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU IN 25 TO SEE HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED ON THAT.

BUT THE PRESENT TIME FOR THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE, ONCOR ELECTRIC DELIVERY DOES HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY NECESSITY FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS, WHICH GIVES THEM THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO PROVIDE ELECTRIC SERVICE.

BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE OUR FRANCHISE.

THE CURRENT FRANCHISE WAS GRANTED FEBRUARY 11TH AND 29 AND EXPIRES MARCH 31ST OF THIS YEAR.

IT DOES HAVE A PROVISION FOR AN AUTOMATIC ONE YEAR RENEWAL.

IF WE CAN'T COME TO TERMS FOR RENEWAL OR AN EXTENSION.

THE CURRENT COMPENSATION IS 0.275 $0.03 PER KILOWATT HOUR OF ELECTRICITY DELIVERED.

AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, THE REVENUE BUDGET IS $50.76 MILLION.

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WHEN THEY DEREGULATED ELECTRIC AND BROKE UP THE ELECTRIC UTILITY INTO THREE PIECES, THE HISTORIC 4% GROSS RECEIPTS FEE WAS USED TO CALCULATE A PER KILOWATT HOUR FEE TO MAKE IT REVENUE NEUTRAL.

GOING FORWARD, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH ELECTRICITY THAT REALLY AREN'T COVERED UNDER THE FRANCHISE, IS PREVIOUS SAID RATES AND SERVICES THAT'S NOT COVERED BY THE FRANCHISE.

WE DO SET THE RATES FOR ONCOR AND BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE NO CASES.

TREE TRIMMING IS AN ISSUE FOR A LOT OF RESIDENTS.

IT GETS A LOT OF EMOTION THAT IS NOT COVERED BY THE FRANCHISE, AND THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY REGULATE THEIR TREE TRIMMING.

STATE LAW PERMITS THEM TO TRIM TREES AS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN RELIABLE SYSTEM.

AND SINCE TREE CONTACTS A MAJOR CAUSE OF OUTAGES, ONCOR DOES TRIM TREES AND THEIR ARBORIST WILL MEET WITH RESIDENTS TO DISCUSS THE TREE TRIMMING ISSUES AND TRY AND WORK WITH THEM. ANOTHER ISSUE THAT COMES UP A LOT IS STREET LIGHTING.

THAT IS A REGULATORY ISSUE AND NOT A FRANCHISE.

STREET LIGHTING RATES ARE COVERED UNDER THEIR TARIFFS, AND THE OTHER ISSUE THAT COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME IS UNDERGROUNDING.

AND WE DO HAVE AUTHORITY TO ORDER ON COURT UNDERGROUND, BUT WE DO HAVE TO MAKE PROVISIONS FOR THEM TO RECOVER THE INCREASED COST, WHICH IS QUITE SUBSTANTIAL.

NOW TO THE REAL IMPORTANCE OF TODAY'S IS THE PROPOSED FRANCHISE EXTENSION.

ENCORE DOES WANT TO EXTEND THE CURRENT AGREEMENT.

STAFF MET WITH THEM ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS TO NEGOTIATE TERMS. WE CAME UP, THERE'S SOME MINOR CHANGES NEEDED.

THE FRANCHISE WOULD BE EXTENDED FOR ANOTHER 15 YEARS, EXPIRING MARCH 31ST, 2039.

WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO SECTION THREE REGULATION BY CITY AND PLACEMENT OF FACILITIES.

AND THAT TO MORE OR LESS CLARIFY THAT ENCORE WILL COMPLY WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AS THEIR PLACEMENT AND THEIR POLES AND THE RIGHTS OF WAY.

MADE CHANGES TO SECTION FOUR ON CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE THAT PREVIOUSLY JUST SAID THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH OUR VALID ORDERS.

WE JUST CLARIFIED THAT TO MAKE SURE IT INCLUDES OUR, CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS AND OUR STREET CUT REPAIR MANUAL, IN SECTION FIVE OF THE JOINT USE OF POLES, WHERE ENCORE ASKED TO ALLOW OTHERS TO USE YOUR POLES, WE JUST CLARIFIED THAT ANY WIRES ATTACHED TO THEIR POLES WILL NOT BLOCK OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS.

AND IN SECTION NINE, UNDER COMPENSATION, WE REMOVED SOME LANGUAGE THAT'S NO LONGER NECESSARY THERE.

CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT THE FRANCHISE EXTENSION AS NEGOTIATED, AND THAT AN ITEM WILL BE PLACED ON THE FEBRUARY 28TH COUNCIL AGENDA. AND AT THIS TIME, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS.

CHAIRWOMAN SELTZER. OOH! WHOA, WHOA.

LET'S LET'S GET THAT MIC SIMMERED DOWN.

OKAY. CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

ITEM. SEE, EVERYONE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.

I WHEN I FIRST SAW IT ON THE TOPIC, I DIDN'T THINK I WAS GOING TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS, BUT YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB, AND I GOT IT.

SO THANK YOU. JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

IS THE RIGHT OF WAY COMPENSATION UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE CITY? YES. SO IT'S THE SAME PRICE NO MATTER WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE WORK.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN ON SLIDE 13, WHERE YOU MENTIONED THAT WE CAN REQUIRE A UTILITY UTILITIES TO BE UNDERGROUND, I THINK IT'S SLIDE 13 THAT YOU SAID THAT. YES.

YES. HOW WOULD A, HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT THAT PROCESS AND.

WE CAN ORDER THEM TO UNDERGROUND.

BUT THE REAL CATCH ON IT IS HOW TO PAY FOR THAT UNDERGROUND.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THE ADDITIONAL COST, WHICH IT'S OVER $1 MILLION PER MILE TO UNDERGROUND THE LINES.

AND ARE WE? THIS MAY BE A CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION, BUT ARE WE ALLOWED TO PASS THAT ON TO DEVELOPERS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT IF WE WANT A CABLES BURIED? WE CANNOT REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO BURY THEIR CABLES.

WAIT. I'M CONFUSED.

SO IF IF IF IF ONCOR'S PUTTING IN NEW UTILITIES AS PART OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ON CITY RIGHT OF WAY AND WE WANT THOSE UNDERGROUND.

HOW. LET'S ASK IT THAT WAY.

HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT ACHIEVING THAT.

IT'S IN YOUR PRESENTATION DISCUSSES NORMALLY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

YES IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT IF WE WANT THEM UNDERGROUNDED.

NORMALLY THE DEVELOPER PAYS ENCORE THAT INCREMENTAL COST, RIGHT.

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CORRECT. AND THEY DO NORMALLY THAT'S HANDLED BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND ENCORE.

THE CITY IS NOT ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN IT.

WELL, I JUST KNOW THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME ENCORE SAYS IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.

AND SO NO.

AND YOU KNOW, THE COST IN TERMS OF TREE COVERAGE AND SIDEWALK BLOCKAGE AND ALL THIS STUFF THAT ABOVEGROUND UTILITIES ARE, IS A CHALLENGE.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE COULD BEGIN TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION MORE UNIFORMLY.

WELL, AND AND THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NEW DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IN UNDERGROUNDING BEFORE YOUR STREETS AND INFRASTRUCTURE ARE THERE, VERSUS GOING INTO AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS POLES THAT YOU THEN HAVE TO FIND A WAY, A SPACE TO PUT TRENCHES TO PUT YOUR UNDERGROUND FACILITIES.

AND THAT ACTUALLY TAKES A LITTLE MORE ROOM BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT.

AND IT'S BECOME SORT OF A SPACE.

WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS JUST AS TO SEE WHAT THE COST WOULD BE LAST YEAR, AND MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE LOOKED AT, THE ALLEYS WERE TOO NARROW TO UNDERGROUND THERE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THE ELECTRIC LINES TO THE STREET RATHER THAN THE ALLEY, WHICH MEANS YOUR TRANSFORMERS WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUT IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.

AND IT'S SORT OF AN EYESORE, WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT WITH A BLANK PIECE OF LAND, IT'S STILL MORE EXPENSIVE TO UNDERGROUND THAN OVERHEAD, BUT IT'S A REASONABLE COST TO GO BACK AND RECONSTRUCT AN AREA.

IT GETS TO BE MORE PROBLEMATIC, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TELEPHONE AND CABLE LINES THAT ARE ON THOSE SAME POLES, AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE PROVISIONS FOR THOSE TO BE EITHER UNDERGROUND AND TWO, OR YOU'RE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

WELL, THEY FIGURED IT OUT IN MOST OTHER PLACES IN THE WORLD AND MANY, MANY CITIES OTHER THAN DALLAS.

AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE US REALLY TRY TO START WITH, HOW DO WE GET TO YES INSTEAD OF THIS IS TOO HARD BECAUSE IT REALLY THE DAMAGE TO.

AND THAT ACTUALLY LEADS TO ANOTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS ARE WE ALLOWED TO REGULATE FOR THINGS LIKE OAK WILT, WHERE RIGHT NOW IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO TRIM ANY OAK TREES, IN TERMS OF DECIMATING THAT SPECIES IN OUR CITY.

AND YET WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO HAVE THE TREES TRIMMED.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF ALL THIS.

SO I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

AS I SAID, TREE TRIMMING, THEY'RE AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE TO DO THAT.

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO TRIM THE TREES, NOT AN OBLIGATION TO.

AND. FOR THE MOST PART, THE CITY DOES NOT REGULATE THEIR TREE TRIMMING OTHER THAN TRYING TO MEDIATE A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN THEM AND THE RESIDENTS. THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE RELIABLE SERVICE.

AND WITH OVERHEAD LINES, TREES ARE GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.

CAN YOU AVOID THAT BY UNDERGROUNDING LINES? SURE. BUT YOU RUN INTO ANOTHER PROBLEM.

WHEN UNDERGROUND LINES ARE DAMAGED, THEY'RE MUCH HARDER TO REPAIR, AND IT TAKES LONGER TO RESTORE THAT SERVICE.

SO IT'S NOT A PANACEA TO UNDERGROUND.

IF WE COULD GO BACK 75 YEARS AND REDO THIS, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE UNDERGROUNDED THEM THEN.

RIGHT. WELL, YES, THE GENIE IS OUT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT NEEDS TO BE EVERYWHERE.

CAN CAN WE, DO WE COORDINATE WITH UTILITIES FOR ALLEYS AND OTHER RIGHT-OF-WAY OR, AND OTHER RIGHT OF WAY REPAIR IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE ECONOMIES OF SCALE WHEN THEY'RE TEARING UP AN ALLEY FOR ATMOS? DO WE ALSO DO THE LOOK CALL ENCORE AND GO, HEY, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY WORK HERE, YOU KNOW, OR AT&T, WHATEVER DO WE COORDINATE? DO WE HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT? OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DOES COORDINATE WITH ALL THE UTILITIES FOR WHEN WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING IN STREETS SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR REPAIRS DONE AHEAD OF TIME.

I WOULD HAVE TO ASK SOMEBODY FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO GIVE DETAILS BECAUSE I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.

SURE. AND DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN, BUT I KNOW THEY DO HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS ABOUT STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE PAVING SO THAT THE UTILITIES CAN GET THEIR WORK DONE AND OUT OF OUR WAY AND DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND CUT OUR BRAND NEW STREET RIGHT AFTER WE PUT IT IN.

RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO SEE US ALSO, AND I, AND WE MAY ALREADY BE DOING THIS, SO MAYBE WE COULD JUST GET A MEMO ON IT.

WE DON'T NEED AN ANSWER NOW OF WHEN IT'S THE REVERSE.

LIKE WHEN WHEN A UTILITY NEEDS TO GO INTO A PLACE, HOW DO WE COORDINATE WITH EVERYBODY SO THAT WE CAN ALSO GET MAYBE HERE'S THE CHANCE TO REDO AN ALLEY THAT WASN'T PLANNED TO BE REDONE, OR THAT WE DO ALL THE WORK THAT'S THERE BECAUSE I KNOW I GET COMPLAINTS FREQUENTLY FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE LIKE, THEY JUST FINISHED TEARING UP MY ALLEY FOR ATMOS, AND NOW THEY'RE TEARING UP MY ALLEY FOR THIS.

AND SO I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE I KNOW WE LEAD THAT COORDINATION WHEN WE'RE MAKING REPAIRS, BUT IS IT THE IS IT DOES IT COME BACK, YOU KNOW, IS IT ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL? THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS ON THE, ON THE COMPENSATION NEGOTIATION.

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THAT'S THE COMPENSATION.

AND SO AS PART OF THIS NEGOTIATION THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED, WAS THAT AN INCREASED COMPENSATION OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY, PART OF THAT NEGOTIATION? SORRY, ANYONE.

DID WE NEGOTIATE WITH ONCOR TO GET A RATE? I MEAN, IT'S SINCE 2000.

IT'S ALMOST A 20 YEAR CONSISTENCY IN THE RATE IS THE CITY HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE MORE MONEY ON THIS? WE DID NOT ASK TO INCREASE THE RATE, KNOWING THAT THESE RATES ARE PASSED THROUGH TO CONSUMERS, OUR, OUR RESIDENTS, AND, WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP A YEAR AGO, THERE WAS NOT A IT'S NOT MY PERCEPTION.

THERE WAS AN APPETITE FROM THIS COUNCIL TO INCREASE FEES TO RESIDENTS.

SO WE DID NOT PUSH FOR THAT.

WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT I MEAN, IF AUTOMATICALLY THEY'RE SAYING WHATEVER.

SO AND I ASSUME WITH ATMOS THEY PASS IT ON AS WELL.

BUT IT'S I MEAN SO YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR HIGHER FEES.

WE CAN IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE INCREASED FRANCHISE FEES, THERE'S BEEN SOME, CONCESSIONS GIVEN TO GET ADDITIONAL REVENUES.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE AT THIS TIME, BUT IN THE PAST WE INCREASED.

WE HAD OTHER ISSUES THAT WE WERE RESOLVING.

RIGHT? I MEAN, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE OUR RESIDENTS PAY HIGHER RATES BECAUSE WE HAVE A HIGHER, YOU KNOW, COMPENSATION AGREEMENT.

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT SAID, IT'S A BOON TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, FROM WHAT, 2006 UNTIL 2039 WITH NOT HAVING TO PAY ANY MORE MONEY.

AND WHILE WE ARE INVESTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THEM TO GET MORE CUSTOMERS.

SO I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, IF OUR CITY MANAGER FEELS REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS DEAL, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING AS, TRYING TO GET THE MOST FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS WE CAN.

AND IF WE DON'T WANT THE RATES PASSED ON TO THEM, AND I GUESS ANYTHING IN IN THE SYSTEM WILL GET PASSED ON TO CONSUMERS.

THAT SAID, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD GET THAT MAY HELP? I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE THOROUGH, IN THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S GOING TO GO FOR ANOTHER 15 YEARS AND REVENUES ARE INCREASING SLIGHTLY DUE TO INCREASED ELECTRIC CONSUMPTION.

AS PEOPLE USE MORE ELECTRICITY, OUR FEES DO GO UP, SO WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT A POINT TAKEN.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S IT, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THE ORDER IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME MALFUNCTIONS WITH THE MACHINES.

MISS WILLIS, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, CHAIR STEWART FOR FIVE MINUTES EACH.

SO I WANT TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT RIGHTS OF WAY AND COMPENSATION.

WHEN WAS THAT LAST EVALUATED? BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT IT'S HARD TO EVALUATE THE COST OR WHAT'S THE FAIR VALUE OF A RIGHT OF WAY? BUT, IF THERE WAS AN ACCESS TO IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PURCHASED.

SO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

WHEN WAS THAT VALUE EQUATION LAST EVALUATED? AND HISTORICALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS 4% OF GROSS RECEIPTS OF THE UTILITY THAT WAS ACTUALLY LITIGATED SEVERAL TIMES.

AND I THINK THE LAST CASE WAS IN THE EARLY 90S.

THAT COURTS HAVE SAID THAT PERCENTAGE OF GROSS, THAT 4% GROSS RECEIPTS WAS FAIR AND REASONABLE COMPENSATION.

WE HAVE WE DID A COST STUDY ON RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT WAS BOY, I WANT TO SAY THAT'S NOW 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN THE STATE WAS TRYING TO TAKE AWAY SOME FRANCHISE FEES TO PROVE THAT THE COMPENSATION DID NOT FULLY COVER OUR COST OF MAINTAINING AND OPERATING THE STREETS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, UTILITIES AREN'T THE ONLY ONES USING THE STREETS VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIANS ARE.

ALSO, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY MORE RECENT STUDIES.

TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, WHAT THE ACTUAL COST TO BE WOULD, THE UTILITY HAD TO GET THE RIGHT OF WAY ELSEWHERE.

SO YOU MENTIONED IT'S BEEN LITIGATED SEVERAL TIMES.

BUT THEN THIS BULLET ALSO SAYS MINIMUM FRANCHISE FEE OF 4% OF GROSS RECEIPTS.

SO WAS THIS DID THAT FACTOR INTO THE DISCUSSION.

OUR CHARTER SAYS MINIMUM OF 4%.

WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING 5% ON CABLE AND GAS.

ORIGINALLY THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE WAS 2% BACK WHEN IT WAS DALLAS POWER AND LIGHT.

AT THE TIME THEY CONSOLIDATED WITH THE COMPANY THAT SERVED OAK CLIFF.

AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT COMPANY.

THAT WAS ALSO A 2% FRANCHISE FEE.

WHEN THOSE TWO COMPANIES MERGED, SOMEHOW THE COUNCIL DECIDED THAT 2% AND 2% EQUALED 4%, AND WE INCREASED THE FEE.

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ALSO, IT SOUNDS LIKE GOING BACK TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS FIGURED OUT 20 YEARS AGO AND HASN'T REALLY BEEN.

HAD A FRESH LOOK TAKEN AT IT.

SO MAYBE WE TAKE A FRESH LOOK.

TAKE A FRESH LOOK. AND THE NICE THING ABOUT GROSS RECEIPTS IS AS THEIR FEES GO UP, OURS DID ALSO.

SO IT SORT OF GOT AN INFLATION.

THE ELECTRIC DEREGULATION IS THE ONE THAT MADE ELECTRIC DIFFERENT WHEN WE MOVED FROM GROSS RECEIPTS, BECAUSE WHEN THEY SPLIT UP TXU, ALL OF A SUDDEN ONCOR, THE AT THE TIME OF THE SPLIT UP TRANSMISSION AND DISTRIBUTION RATES, THE PART THAT ONCOR CHARGED WAS ONLY ABOUT 40% OF YOUR TOTAL ELECTRIC BILL.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T WANT THE SAME 4% ON ONLY 40% OF THE BILL.

SO THAT'S THE REASON IT WAS CONVERTED TO THAT PER KILOWATT HOUR FEE TO KEEP CITIES WHOLE, SUPPOSEDLY BE REVENUE NEUTRAL.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T PROVIDE FOR GROWTH AS ELECTRIC RATES HAVE GONE UP OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS.

YEAH, I MEAN, WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR CONSUMERS, OUR RESIDENTS, OUR TAXPAYERS.

BUT ARE WE GETTING IS DALLAS GETTING, WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING? AND IF IT HASN'T BEEN EVALUATED IN QUITE SOME TIME, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A TIME, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS 15 YEAR RENEWAL TO DO THAT.

THAT SAID, I'M ALSO LOOKING AT ALL THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED ABOUT THE ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT OF 50% OF THE CPI.

ON THIS IS THE COMPENSATION TO CITIES.

BUT THE CPI IS A COMPOSITE.

SO WHERE DOES TELECOM SIT IN THAT CIRCLE? AS FAR I MEAN, IS 50% RIGHT OR SHOULD IT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE? I MEAN, WAS THAT LOOKED AT THE HALF OF THE CPI INCREASE ON THE TELECOM FEES WAS WHAT WAS SET IN THE STATUTE 1777. AND.

THE INDUSTRY AND CITIES WERE BOTH AT THE LEGISLATURE LOBBYING ON THAT BILL.

AND IT WAS SORT OF A SETTLEMENT OF SOME LITIGATION THAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING 20 YEARS AGO NOW WHEN THAT BILL WAS ADOPTED, AND THERE'S NO PROVISION IN THAT STATUTE TO REVISIT THE TELECOM FEES.

OKAY. SO LEGISLATIVELY WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS IT THAT WAY.

OKAY. AND THEN FINALLY ON PAGE 14, YOU TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AND COMPLYING WITH THE CITY'S STANDARD CONSTRUCTION DETAILS AND PAVEMENT CUT AND REPAIR.

HAS THIS BEEN AUDITED TO BE SURE THAT WORK THAT'S DONE IS IS MEETS THE CITY STANDARD, THAT IT'S AT LEAST RESTORED OR IMPROVED? AS PART OF OUR STREET CAT PERMITTING PROCESS.

PUBLIC WORKS DOES GO OUT AND INSPECT THE WORK BEFORE IT'S FILLED IN AND COMPLETED, AND THEY EXPECT INSPECT IT AFTERWARDS.

SO THEY ARE DOING THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE.

LIKE I SAID, OUR PRIOR FRANCHISE JUST SAID COMPLY WITH ALL VALID CITY REQUIREMENTS.

AND IN THIS WE'RE JUST SPECIFICALLY REFERENCING SOME DOCUMENTS, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.

BUT IT WAS JUST SORT OF GIVE CLARITY THAT THESE IN PARTICULAR WE THINK THAT'S HAPPENING.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS REALLY HAPPENING ON THE SCOPE THAT IT SHOULD.

AND SO AGAIN, THIS SEEMS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHORE THAT UP.

IF WE'VE GOT THIS RENEWAL LOOMING, AT THE END OF THE MONTH.

AND SO I THINK MR. HARTLEY IS ON THE LINE.

SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOUR STAFF TAKES A LOOK AT TO SEE.

DO WE FEEL, I MEAN, IS THIS IS THIS MEASURING UP OR IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE LEVERAGE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING? GOOD AFTERNOON, ALLEY, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I'M GETTING AN ECHO, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT'S OKAY.

BUT. YES, MA'AM. BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.

AND ALSO THE COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ QUESTION.

FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS, WE DO COORDINATE WITH ALL THE UTILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UTILITIES ARE NOT IN THE WAY WHEN WE ARE CONDUCTING OUR CONSTRUCTION.

HOWEVER, FOR OTHER PRIVATE MATTERS THAT ONCOR, ATMOS OR OTHER UTILITIES ARE, BASICALLY DIGGING THE STREETS AND ALL THESE THINGS THEY DO.

RIGHT, PULL THE RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT.

HOWEVER, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ACTUALLY INSPECT THEM.

ALL OF THEM. SOMETIMES, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO INSPECT ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES THAT THEY HAVE DUE TO THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE HAVE TOLD THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO SEND US PICTURES OF THE LOCATIONS THAT THEY ARE INSTALLING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

ALSO, AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE UPDATING THE PAVEMENT CUT AND REPAIR MANUAL, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THINGS ARE MORE STRICT AND MORE

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I HOPE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT IF YOU HAVE FURTHER, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

SO DO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S BEING MET WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES OR YOU DO A FIELD INSPECTION? I HAVE AGAIN, ALL THE NEW PROJECTS ARE IN THE BETTER SHAPE.

THEY ARE A LOT OF GRANDFATHERED IN, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF PROJECT THAT THEY HAD.

AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER CHALLENGES, FOR EXAMPLE, LACK OF RIGHT OF WAY AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, COMES INTO PLAY.

BUT I BELIEVE THE THE NEW PROJECTS IS MORE IN COMPLIANCE THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT THE OLD ONES.

BUT AGAIN, EVERY NOW AND THEN WE HAVE SEEN SOME INCIDENTS THAT THEY DIDN'T TAKE ANY, PERMIT, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY ARE WORKING IN THE CERTAIN AREA.

WE HAD TO ACTUALLY GO BACK AND TALK TO THEM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REVISE IT.

AND THIS IS AN ONGOING PROCESS.

WE DO HAVE, UTILITY COORDINATION MEETING WITH ALL THE UTILITY COMPANIES.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR OTHER WAYS TO MAKE IT EVEN BETTER.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY AND THEN CHAIRMAN STEWART.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MR. ATEFEH, JUST, TO ADD, MY DISTRICT'S EXPERIENCE WITH SOME OF THE UTILITY CUTS IN EXISTING STREETS. I HAVE HAD MANY REPORTS ABOUT ATMOS THAT ARE, VERY NEGATIVE.

I KNOW ATMOS IS DOING A LOT OF WORK NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE REPLACING OLD GAS LINES WITH NEW, BUT THEY'RE NOT RESTORING THE STREETS TO ORIGINAL CONDITION, AND THEY ARE TAKING FAR TOO LONG TO CLOSE UP DITCHES AND TRENCHES.

SO I MENTIONED THAT IN PASSING JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE THIS FEEDBACK.

BUT BACK TO OUR PRESENTATION ABOUT UTILITY FRANCHISE, MR. FEHRENBACH. ON SLIDE 12, YOU SAY RATES ARE NOT COVERED BY THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

RATES ARE CHARGED TO CUSTOMERS, ARE REGULATED BY THE CITY.

I THOUGHT RATES WERE SET BY THE UTILITY COMMISSION, NOT THE CITY.

THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS ORIGINAL JURISDICTION OVER ONCOR'S RATES.

THE PUC ONLY HAS APPELLATE JURISDICTION OVER US.

NOW, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER FOR ONCOR, THEY WANT UNIFORM RATE SYSTEM WIDE.

SO THEY'LL FILE THE RATE CASE WITH US.

BUT OUR DECISION IS GOING TO GET APPEALED TO THE STATE SO THAT THEY HAVE UNIFORM RATES ACROSS THEIR SYSTEM AND NOT DIFFERENT RATES IN EACH LITTLE CITY.

BUT THAT STILL OUR AUTHORITY TO SET THE RATES.

AND WE DO FIGHT THOSE AT THE PUC ALSO LOOKING OUT FOR CONSUMERS.

YES, I REMEMBER THAT PROCESS.

AND THEN ON SLIDE 11 WHERE YOU ESTABLISHED THE COMPENSATION FIGURE PER KILOWATT HOUR.

THERE'S A REFERENCE TO A REVENUE BUDGET OF $50.76 MILLION.

IS THAT THE RESULTING REVENUE FROM THIS PER KILOWATT HOUR CHARGE? YES. WE FORECAST WHAT ELECTRIC CONSUMPTION WILL BE FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

MULTIPLY IT BY THAT RATE.

AND THAT'S OUR BUDGETED REVENUE.

FOR THE CURRENT YEAR.

RIGHT NOW, ONCOR IS TRENDING SLIGHTLY ABOVE THAT.

OUR FORECAST, I THINK, IS 52.1 MILLION.

IT'S ABOUT 1.4 MILLION HIGHER.

THAT'S DUE TO WEATHER VARIANCE IN THE FALL.

THERE WAS LATE SUMMER WARM WEATHER IN THE FALL AND SOME REALLY COLD WEATHER DECEMBER EARLY JANUARY THAT CAUSED INCREASED CONSUMPTION, BECAUSE ELECTRIC USAGE IS VERY WEATHER SENSITIVE.

SO OUR FORECAST FOR THE CURRENT YEAR IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN BUDGET, BUT THAT'S JUST DUE TO WEATHER VARIANCE.

AND WE HAVE TO USE NORMALIZED WEATHER TO PREDICT FORWARD.

SO IS THERE ANY WAY TO INSERT INTO THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS A COST ESCALATOR, PERHAPS AS A PERCENTAGE OF, CPI SO THAT WE'RE NOT STUCK WITH THE SAME RATE FOR ANOTHER 15 YEARS? THE PROBLEM WITH THE FRANCHISE FEE ON ELECTRIC IS THAT IS NOT A FEE.

THAT IS LINE ITEM CHARGED TO CUSTOMERS.

IT IS PART OF THEIR BASE RATES.

THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE RATE THAT'S SET BY EITHER THE CITY OR THE PUC.

SO IN ORDER TO RECOVER AN INCREASED RATE, ONCOR WOULD HAVE TO FILE A FULL RATE CASE, WHICH BY TIME THEY LITIGATED AT THE

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AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT, BUT TO DO IT ANNUALLY, I THINK OUR LAST FULL RATE CASE TOOK ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT THEM FILING ONE OF THOSE EVERY YEAR TO RECOVER IT.

THE FRANCHISE FEES INCLUDED IN THEIR BASE COST OF SERVICE THAT'S ALLOCATED OUT TO CUSTOMERS.

LIKE I SAID, ON YOUR TELEPHONE BILL OR CABLE BILL, THERE'S JUST A LINE ON THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS FRANCHISE FEE AND THEY PASS THAT THROUGH.

IT'S JUST INCLUDED IN THE RATE WITH ONCOR.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO FILE A RATE CASE TO RECOVER THAT.

SO IS THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

THERE'S NO EASY WAY TO DO THAT.

THERE'S NOT AN EASY, PRACTICAL WAY TO DO THAT.

IN LESS, THE ATTORNEYS CAN FIND SOME WAY FOR US TO DO A LINE ITEM SURCHARGE, WHICH I DON'T SEE ANY WAY IN THE CURRENT LAW, BUT I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV.

WELL, CAN WE AT LEAST INCREASE THE PER KILOWATT HOUR CHARGE, EVEN IF IT STAYS THE SAME FOR THE 15 YEARS? IN RECOGNITION THAT WE'VE HAD THE SAME RATE NOW FOR 15 YEARS? WE CAN INCREASE THE FEE.

YES. OKAY.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THEN FINALLY ON SLIDE 14, YOU TALK ABOUT THE CHANGES IN THE TERMS OF THE FRANCHISE EXTENSION.

AND IN SECTION FIVE, YOU TALK ABOUT JOINT USE OF POLES, ETC., AMENDED TO ENSURE THAT WIRES ATTACHED TO ENCORE POLES BY OTHERS WILL NOT BLOCK SIGNALS AT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS.

WHO ELSE IS AUTHORIZED TO USE ENCORE POLES OTHER THAN ENCORE? CABLE TV AND TELEPHONE ALSO ATTACHED TO ENCORE POLES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THREE SETS OF UTILITY POLES ON THE STREET.

THEY HAVE JOINT USE AGREEMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN ATTACH.

SO WE DO WE CHARGE THOSE ENTITIES A FRANCHISE FEE ALSO.

YES. THEY PAY FEES TO USE THE RIGHT OF WAY ALSO, BUT THEY ATTACH TO ENCORE POLES.

NOW AT&T OWNS POLES ALSO AND ENCORE ATTACHES TO THOSE.

BUT SO THAT JOINT USE OF POLES GOES BOTH WAYS.

SO WHAT IS THE CONCERN ABOUT BLOCKING SIGNALS AT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS.

HAS THAT OCCURRED? THERE ARE SOME INTERSECTIONS IN DALLAS WHERE THE TELEPHONE LINES, WHICH ARE USUALLY THE LOWEST OF THE LINES ON THE POLE, ARE HANGING DOWN IN FRONT OF THE SIGNAL HEAD, WHERE THE CITY HAS UPGRADED INTERSECTIONS FOR NEW SIGNALS AND OR PHONE LINES HAVE SAGGED FROM WHERE THEY ORIGINALLY ARE.

THIS HAS COME UP A FEW TIMES, AND IT'S CAN BE A PROBLEM IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL DUE TO A TELEPHONE TRUNK LINE BLOCKING VISIBILITY.

SO THIS WOULD ADD A PROVISION ALLOWING THE CITY TO REQUIRE ONCOR TO RAISE THOSE WIRES IF THEY'RE OBSTRUCTING LIGHTS.

WE ADDED IN THE PROVISION THAT ONCOR CAN REQUIRE THAT OF THE PEOPLE USING THEIR POLES, AND WE HAVE SOME REGULATORY AUTHORITY OVER THOSE OTHER ENTITIES, TOO.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO A BELT AND SUSPENDERS APPROACH TO GET THIS TWO WAYS.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SIR WILLIAM STEWART.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE QUICK SO WE CAN WRAP UP.

SO SLIDE 14.

SECTION THREE AMENDED TO CLARIFY THAT ONCOR WILL COMPLY WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.

AND SO DOES THIS MEAN COULD THIS POSSIBLY MEAN THAT IF AN ENCORE POLE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A SIDEWALK, THAT PERHAPS ENCORE WOULD TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MOVING THEIR POLE? FOR ANY NEW PLACEMENTS, THEY HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.

WE ARE WORKING WITH ENCORE TO RESOLVE THOSE GRANDFATHERED POLES THAT ARE IN NONCOMPLIANCE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

AT THE TIME THE ADA WAS PASSED, THOSE EXISTING FACILITIES WERE GRANDFATHERED.

I REALIZE THAT'S NOW 30 YEARS LATER.

WE'RE WORKING WITH ENCORE ON TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO RESOLVE THOSE.

PUBLIC WORKS IS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THAT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, BUT NEW POLES MUST BE COMPLIANT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT A WAY TO GET THE OLD ONES THERE.

AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I THINK ENCORE HAS AN OBLIGATION TO COMPLY WITH ADA, EVEN IF IT'S NOT IN OUR FRANCHISE.

BUT, OKAY, SO I'M NOT GIVING LEGAL ADVICE.

NO, NO, NO, I'M NOT ASKING FOR LEGAL ADVICE.

I'M JUST SOME PRACTICAL ADVICE.

IF I WERE TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF WHERE THE POLES ARE OBSTRUCTING A SIDEWALK BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT, I MEAN, FOR SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR OR OTHER, YOU KNOW,

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AN ENCORE POLE IS IS VERY IS A BIG HURDLE TO GET AROUND OR THROUGH OR OFF THE SIDEWALK AND TRAVERSE BACK TO THE AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE.

SO I JUST, IF WE COULD GET SOME ASSISTANCE ON THAT IN DISTRICT TEN, IT WOULD BE BE GREAT NEWS IF IF YOU CAN GET THE WORK ON MY LIST LOCATIONS, WE CAN PUT THOSE INTO THE QUEUE.

NOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S AN EASY FIX AND SOMETIMES THERE ISN'T.

IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THERE'S ANOTHER PLACE THAT POLE CAN BE PUT THAT STILL MAINTAINS STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.

BECAUSE I CAN ONLY HAVE SO MUCH SPACE BETWEEN POLES, AND IF I'VE ONLY GOT A CERTAIN WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK, IT'S HARD TO MOVE THE POLE COMPLETELY OUT OF THE WAY.

SO THERE'S ENGINEERING CONCERNS, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH RESOLVING THESE OLD, GRANDFATHERED POLES.

AND IF YOU CAN SEND ME THE LOCATIONS, WE WILL WORK WITH ENCORE AND TRY AND GET THOSE STRAIGHTENED OUT.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS.

OH, SORRY. DID YOU, DID YOU OKAY? YEAH. WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. AND OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS.

IS THERE A VENDOR FOR MICROPHONE SPEAKERS AFTER JAYNIE? IS THERE A TIME FRAME WHERE IF THERE IS AN ENCORE, AN AT&T POLE THAT IS DAMAGED OR DOWN WHERE THE TURNAROUND TO GET THAT SIGN OR THAT POLE REPLACED, IS THERE A CLAUSE FOR A TURNAROUND TIME? WELL, THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE SEVERITY OF THE DAMAGE.

NORMALLY, IF A POLE IS HIT BY A VEHICLE AND DOWN ENCORE IS OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY TO REPLACE THE POLE, WHAT USUALLY WHERE WE GET THE COMPLAINTS IS GETTING THE OLD POLE REMOVED BECAUSE POLES STRUCK BY A VEHICLE DAMAGED ENCORE WILL COME OUT THAT NIGHT, SET A NEW POLE AND TRANSFER THE ELECTRIC FACILITIES. BUT THEY CAN'T MOVE THE CABLE AND TELEPHONE LINES.

THEY HAVE TO SEND A NOTICE TO SPECTRUM OR AT&T.

SO THAT'S MY FOLLOW UP AND THE THROUGH THE JOINT UTILITY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM NON-SYSTEM.

THEY SEND THE NOTICE TO SPECTRUM, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE DOWN THE LINE.

THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO TRANSFER THEIR WIRES.

ONCE THEY'RE COMPLETE, THEN IT GOES TO AT&T.

AND AGAIN THEY GET 30 DAYS TO TRANSFER THEIR WIRES.

SO IT CAN BE A THREE MONTH PROCESS TO GET THAT OLD POLE REMOVED.

BUT THE NEW POLE IS SET.

THE OLD POLE IS TIED TO IT.

SO IT'S UGLY AS THE DICKENS, BUT IT IS SECURE.

NOW FROM TIME TO TIME, COMMUNICATION GAPS HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHEN WE GET INVOLVED AND TRY AND GET THEM MOVING ALONG AGAIN.

AND BUT IT'S THAT INTERCONNECT THAT PROCESS THOUGH, WHERE EACH UTILITY HAS THE 30 DAYS IS IT IS A LONG PROCESS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY THOSE POLES ARE UGLY AND SIT THERE FOR A WHILE.

SURE. NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS THAT THAT GUIDANCE.

BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE'LL CALL A UTILITY COMPANY AND THEY'LL POINT THE FINGER TO ONE ANOTHER THAT IT'S NOT THEIRS, IT'S ONE ANOTHER.

AND SO WHAT'S THE BEST, PRACTICAL MANNER TO, FOLLOW, THOSE STEPS, IF RESIDENTS NOTICES A POLE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, IF THEY WILL CALL 311 AND MAKE A UTILITY COMPLAINT THAT COMES TO.

MY OFFICE.

WE INSPECT THE SITE TO FIND OUT WHO HASN'T TRANSFERRED AND FIND OUT AND TRY AND GET THAT BALL ROLLING AGAIN.

IT DOES HAPPEN.

I'VE. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ONLY BEEN A WEEK, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY I CAN DO TO GET THEM FASTER.

BUT WHEN IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR THREE MONTHS.

YEAH, IF THEY'LL JUST CALL 311 AND THERE IS A CODE FOR UTILITY COMPLAINT OR INFORMATION AND ROUTED TO MY OFFICE, AND WE'LL GET IT INSPECTED AND TRY AND GET THE RIGHT UTILITY OUT THERE TO KEEP THE BALL ROLLING.

AGAIN. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRWOMAN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THREE VERY QUICK THINGS.

ONE IS I WANT TO THANK ONCOR AS WELL FOR YOU GUYS HAVE DONE.

THEY'RE GOOD PARTNERS.

SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT ANY OF THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCOR IS VERY CLEARLY AWARE AND PERHAPS PUTS OUT A STATEMENT ON THEIR OWN THAT WE CAN USE IN OUR NEWSLETTERS ABOUT THE OAK WILT AND THE TRIMMING AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO REALLY REDUCING THAT POTENTIAL BLIGHT OF I MEAN, DALLAS IS KNOWN FOR OUR LIVE OAKS, AND WE COULD LOSE THEM ALL OVER THIS.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE AWARE OF.

SECOND, I THINK THAT THE 311 SYSTEM, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT LETTING US KNOW WHEN THEY'RE IN STREETS AND ALLEY, I MEAN, IN BLOCKING SIDEWALKS AND OTHER THINGS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE FOLKS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION THAT WE CAN DO IT THROUGH 311 SO THAT WE CAN LET YOU ALL KNOW WHICH ONES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED WITH ONCOR, RATHER THAN NECESSARILY AS, LIKE DRIVING OUR ENTIRE DISTRICT TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHICH POLES ARE BLOCKING

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AND AGAIN, THAT CAN BE REPORTED THROUGH 311 AS A UTILITY COMPLAINT.

THAT. RIGHT. BUT THEN BACK TO US SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON IT.

AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT ONCOR IS AWARE AND HAS THE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THEY HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION.

OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

OKAY. MADAM SECRETARY, I THINK WE'RE READY NOW.

[Open Microphone Speakers (Part 2 of 2)]

I'LL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES.

SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY TO QUORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM.

FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN PERSON FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION.

INDIVIDUALS BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

YOU NOTICE THE TIMER ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.

PLEASE STOP FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME.

AND PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON.

ONLY YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, BENNY WALKER.

DANNY WALKER IS NOT PRESENT.

MICHAEL MEADOWS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL MEADOWS, AND I AM CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE INTERIM CEO OF DALLAS COUNTY HERITAGE SOCIETY, ALSO KNOWN AS THE ORGANIZATION THAT MANAGES OLD CITY PARK. I WAS HERE LAST WEEK TO TALK WITH YOU.

LET ME JUST SAY THIS TO YOU.

I'VE SINCE 1994.

MY WIFE, AMY, AND I HAVE BEEN YOUR PRIVATE PARTNERS WITH THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

I SPENT 14 YEARS AS THE CEO OF THE DALLAS ZOOLOGICAL SOCIETY.

AND MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS BACK IN 2014.

I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF GETTING THE SPECIAL RECOGNITION THAT YOU ALL, BESTOWED ON A NUMBER OF PEOPLE TODAY, AND IT WAS VERY MEANINGFUL TO ME AT THAT TIME.

I HAVE TRIED VERY HARD THROUGH THE YEARS TO BE YOUR HONEST PARTNER, TO BE TRANSPARENT AND EVERYTHING I'VE SHARED WITH YOU.

SO TODAY, HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW.

ON MAY THE 26TH, AFTER 50 YEARS OF THE DALLAS COUNTY HERITAGE SOCIETY RUNNING OLD CITY PARK, THE CITY OF DALLAS PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE TAKING OVER FULL MANAGEMENT CONTROL AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PARK.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE US THERE TAKING CARE OF THE BUILDINGS, MONITORING WHAT'S GOING ON.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR WHY THE BUILDINGS ARE STARTING TO DETERIORATE.

I'M NOT A GREAT BELIEVER IN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME PLACING THE BLAME.

I BELIEVE IN FIXING THE PROBLEM.

UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE CURRENT BOND PROGRAM, YOU HAVE EXACTLY ZERO ATTACHED TO OLD CITY PARK.

AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO EMPHASIZE YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF IT.

AND YOUR FRIEND JOHN JENKINS AND MY FRIEND IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT WITH NO MONEY, UNLESS YOU ALL RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

NOW, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT A WEEK TO RESOLVE THIS.

YOU'VE ALSO GOTTEN $5 MILLION EACH IN DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, WHICH I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO THINK VERY LONG AND HARD ABOUT POSSIBLY SHARING SOME OF THAT AND MAKING AN ALLOCATION FOR OLD CITY PARK, OR YOU ARE GOING TO FIND YOURSELVES IN A VERY AWKWARD POSITION AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER OPENS UP AND ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CEDARS STARTS TO POP.

I'M TRYING TO BE YOUR GHOST OF CHRISTMAS TO COME.

I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FACE.

IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THIS BEFORE NEXT WEEK, IT'S CRITICAL FOR THE PARK.

IT IS DALLAS'S OLDEST PARK.

IT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1876.

IT HAS EVOLVED INTO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT NEEDS TO REFLECT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, AND WE BELIEVE THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT.

BUT I URGE YOU TO PUT A MINIMUM OF $5 MILLION INTO THIS PARK, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THE PHILANTHROPY OF DALLAS IS NOT GOING TO STAND UP TO HELP YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, LAURA LAVIE.

YES. HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MY NAME IS LAURA LEVI, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF FAR NORTH DALLAS.

I LIVE ON CAMP GREEN PARK WITH MY HUSBAND AND THREE DAUGHTERS, AND WE RECENTLY BOUGHT OUR FIRST HOME LAST YEAR.

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I'M CURRENTLY QUOTE UNQUOTE MULTITASKING, AS MANY PARENTS DO.

SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW MY FATHER, DOCTOR BARRY BLACKMON.

HE'S THE FORMER MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF PARKLAND MEMORIAL HEALTH, PARKLAND HEALTH SYSTEMS, AND HE IS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND A LEADER OF THE DALLAS AREA INTERFAITH. I'M HERE TODAY ABOUT THE CURRENT BONDING PROPOSAL FOR PARKS AND REC FOR CAMPBELL GREEN PARK PLAYGROUND.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR, CAMPBELL GREEN PARK IS THE HUB OF ACTIVITY IN FAR NORTH DALLAS.

IT'S A HEAVILY USED PARK THAT IS FILLED EACH WEEKDAY WEEKEND FROM DUSK TO DAWN, WITH MULTIGENERATIONAL FAMILIES OF ALL RACES, RELIGIONS AND WALKS OF LIFE.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF IS FILLED WITH YOUNG FAMILIES THAT KNOW EACH OTHER, AND IT SERVES AS A GATHERING PLACE FOR THE FAR NORTH DALLAS COMMUNITY.

IT'S AN AREA WHERE EVERYONE BIKES OR WALKS TO THE PARK TO ENJOY THE FIELDS, REC CENTER, PLAYGROUND, SPLASH PAD, BASKETBALL COURTS, AND BIKE PATHS.

AS YOU ARE AWARE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE BENEFITS TO COMMUNITY PLAYGROUNDS, INCLUDING COGNITIVE AND PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT, POSITIVE EMOTIONAL IMPACTS, INCREASED ACTIVITY, DEVELOPMENT OF IMAGINATION, EXPOSURE TO NATURE, DEVELOPMENT OF LIFE SKILLS AND HEALTH, AND HEIGHTENED HAPPINESS.

THE PLAYGROUND AND FACILITIES AT CAMPBELL GREEN PARK ARE CURRENTLY NOT SCALED OR UPDATED TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS.

THE PLAYGROUND SPECIFICALLY IS RUN DOWN TO SMALL.

HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE 80S.

THERE ARE ONLY A FEW SWINGS THAT TAKE ALL DAY, DISGUSTING WOOD CHIPS THAT GATHER BACTERIA AND FECES FROM ANIMAL AND RUSTY PLAY STRUCTURES THAT DON'T WORK CORRECTLY.

DAILY, YOU CAN HEAR KIDS CRYING AS THEY FIGHT OVER AND STAND THERE WAITING TO GET A SWING.

NEARBY SURROUNDING SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES LIKE PLANO, MCKINNEY, COTTONWOOD PARK IN RICHARDSON HAVE MUCH NICER FACILITIES THAT ARE USED LESS THAN CAMPBELL GREEN PARK.

SOUTHERN DALLAS HAS KEAST PARK, AND NOW NORTH DALLAS NEEDS A PARK OF THAT QUALITY.

AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND A RESIDENT WHO LIVES DIRECTLY ON THE PARK, I WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR RENOVATING THE CAMPBELL GREEN PLAYGROUND AND REC FACILITIES.

PLEASE CREATE A SPACE THAT WELCOMES PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN OF ALL ABILITIES, TO PLAY, LEARN, GROW TOGETHER A MULTI-GENERATIONAL GATHERING SPACE FOR COMMUNITY ENJOYMENT, FOR SOCIALIZATION, HEALTHY BODIES, AND IMAGINATIVE FUN.

A REC CENTER THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE VARIOUS PROGRAMING TO MEET ITS COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND SECURING THIS BOND.

I REMIND YOU THAT OUR PARKS ARE THE BACKBONE OF FOSTERING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OF ACTIVE AND ENGAGING LIFESTYLES FOR PEOPLE.

THAT'S YOUR TIME AND THAT WE SHOULD NATURE MAINTAIN.

THAT'S YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. SHARON.

CONRAD. SHARON CONRAD.

HELLO, MISS.

YES, I CAN HEAR YOU, MISS CONRAD.

HOWEVER, I CANNOT SEE YOU.

WILL YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR VIDEO? OKAY. WE'LL COME BACK TO MISS MISS CONRAD.

I CAN SEE YOU. YES, I CAN, WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.

YOU MAY CONTINUE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS DOCTOR SEAN WILKINS.

CONRAD, AND I AM NOT FROM DALLAS.

I AM ORIGINALLY FROM PENNSYLVANIA, BUT I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2007, AND I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF OLD CITY PARK SINCE THE VERY FIRST DAY THAT I ARRIVED IN DALLAS. SINCE 2018, I HAVE SERVED ON THE BOARD OF, OLD CITY PARK AS PART OF THE DALLAS COUNTY HERITAGE SOCIETY.

AND I AM CURRENTLY SECRETARY FOR THAT ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS TO MANAGE THE PARK UP THROUGH THE END OF MAY OF THIS YEAR.

I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I AM CURRENTLY A PROFESSOR OF HISTORY, AND I AM A LOVER OF HISTORY.

AND AS SOMEONE WHO'S COME TO APPRECIATE DALLAS HISTORY AND LOVED OLD CITY PARK, I THINK IT IS VALUABLE.

IT IS VITAL FOR US AS A RESOURCE TO TELL THE STORY OF DALLAS FOUNDING AND ITS COMMUNITIES, ITS LONG, LONG HISTORY, BUT ALSO WHO WE ARE TODAY.

AND I'M HERE TODAY TO ENCOURAGE YOU.

PLEASE CONSIDER AND PLEASE PLACE INTO THE BOND PROGRAM UP TO $5 MILLION TO SECURE THIS VITALLY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY.

HISTORY IS IMPORTANT.

PARKS ARE IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THAT DALLAS WILL MISS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE ITS HERITAGE BY SAVING OLD

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, FOR HAVING US.

THANK YOU FOR THE ENJOY OLD CITY PARK FOR YEARS TO COME.

THANK YOU. CHRISTOPHER WEISS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR JOHNSON.

ESTEEMED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER WEISS.

I'M SPEAKING AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT OF ASSIGNING AT LEAST $5 MILLION TO OLD CITY PARK FROM THE 2024 BOND PACKAGE AND Y 20 5Y5 MILLION.

IT IS THE BARE MINIMUM NEEDED TO ENSURE CONTINUED OPERATIONS, PROGRAMING AND MAINTENANCE, AND SORELY NEEDED RESTORATION OF OLD CITY PARK, WHILE MANAGEMENT IS TRANSITIONED TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY PROCEEDS WITH A PARK MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH WILL BEGIN IN AUGUST.

AS THE FIRST AND OLDEST PARK OF DALLAS, AND THE ONLY PARK WITH THE MISSION OF TELLING ALL THE HISTORY OF DALLAS.

IT SHOULD BE A SHOWCASE OF WHAT PARKS CAN BE TO THE CITY.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF LOCATION IN SOUTHERN DALLAS AND YEARS OF NOT FULFILLING CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES OF OLD CITY PARK IS IN DISREPAIR, WITH SOME WITH SOME DISCUSSING THE DEMOLITION OF ITS STRUCTURES.

THIS IS A SHAME THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

WE SEE OLD CITY PARK AS A CORNERSTONE OF ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION OF THE CEDARS AND AMENITY FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

ADDITIONALLY, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S GRANDER PLANS AS IT IS A CONNECTOR TO THE MANY PROJECTS IN THE AREA.

WE HAVE THE I-30 DECK PARK, WHICH WILL CONNECT THE CEDARS WITH OLD CITY PARK IN THE FUTURE.

THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER WITH A DECK PARK ADJACENT ONTO LAMAR STREET BRIDGE.

THE FUTURE PARKWAY ALONG I-30 TO WHICH THE CEDARS TIF CONTRIBUTED $10 MILLION TO ENSURE THAT FURTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE SO GOOD PROJECT AND THE NEW PARK PROJECT, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE CITY HALL.

THE CITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GUARANTEE ALL CITY PARK RECEIVES ACHIEVES ITS POTENTIAL.

FUNDING FROM THE 24 BOND WILL BE THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE MORE FUNDRAISING WILL BE NEEDED IN THE YEARS TO COME, BUT THE WORK TO SAVE OLD CITY PARK MUST START NOW TO THAT POINT AGAIN.

OLD CITY PARK SHOULD RECEIVE AT LEAST $5 MILLION IN FUNDING FROM THE 2024 BOND.

WITHOUT THESE FUNDS, OLD CITY PARK WILL NOT HAVE A FUTURE.

IT WOULD BE A TRAVESTY FOR OUR CITY'S OLDEST PARK AND THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THIS NOT TO HAPPEN.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST.

THANK YOU, KIT SAWYERS.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

KISARA'S KLYDE WARREN PARK.

I'M NOT BRINGING A BUNCH OF NUMBERS WITH ME TODAY.

BY NOW, YOU ALL KNOW THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF KLYDE WARREN PARK.

WE BRING IT UP EVERY TIME WE MEET WITH YOU.

YOU KNOW, THE THE RESULTING INCREMENTAL TAX REVENUE IS TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE CITY EVERY YEAR.

MONEY USED FOR DISD AND PARKLAND HOSPITAL IN DALLAS COLLEGE WHENEVER YOU NEED IT.

FOR YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC FUNDING TO BUILD THIS FINAL PART OF KLYDE WARREN PARK, THE ADDITIONAL DECKS UPON WHICH WILL SIT A PRIVATELY FUNDED PUBLIC RECREATIONAL FIELD, AS WELL AS A PRIVATELY FUNDED BUILDING THAT NONPROFITS CAN RENT FOR LITTLE TO NO COST.

YOU KNOW THAT WE NEED PUBLIC FUNDING FOR THIS PART, BECAUSE IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO RAISE PRIVATE MONEY FOR NON NAMING OPPORTUNITIES.

YOU KNOW THAT AS SOON AS WE FINISH GETTING THE LAST PART BUILT, THE CITY WILL BEGIN RECEIVING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY OF ADDITIONAL INCREMENTAL TAX REVENUE.

REAL ESTATE PRICES WENT UP WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF OUR INTENTION TO EXPAND, AND THEY COULD VERY WELL GO BACK DOWN IF WE DON'T.

YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN GOOD PARTNERS AND WE'VE DONE WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO, FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, KLYDE WARREN PARK, YOU ALL ARE IN THE PARK.

YOU BRING YOUR FAMILIES, YOU BRING YOUR OUT-OF-TOWN GUESTS.

OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY EVENT IS THE CITY OF DALLAS OFFICIAL INDEPENDENCE DAY EVENT.

WE LIGHT THE MAYOR'S TREE EVERY DECEMBER.

LAST YEAR, MORE THAN 35,000 PEOPLE CAME TO EACH OF THESE EVENTS.

YOU KNOW HOW DIVERSE THE PARK IS.

YOU'VE TOLD ME YOU SEE ALL THE PRIVATELY FUNDED FREE PROGRAMING THAT WE OFFER TO DRAW EVERY DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC TO THE PARK, 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE ANNUALLY FROM EVERY DISTRICT ON THIS COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS AND SO DOES THE PARK BOARD.

BUT OUR PORTION OF THIS BOND KEEPS GETTING CUT.

WE'VE GONE FROM $10 MILLION TO $6 MILLION TO NOW $3 MILLION.

I VISITED WITH MANY OF YOU AND TO A PERSON, EVERYONE HAS SAID THEY UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THE PARK AND THE VALUE OF FINISHING IT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

YOU'VE EVEN CALLED US YOUR SHINING STAR.

WE HAVE OUR PLANS.

WE'RE SHOVEL READY.

WE ARE ACTUALLY SHOVEL READY.

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THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

WE CUT INTO THAT.

BUT THIS PROJECT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR THAT PASSES.

THIS THING CAN BE DONE IN JUST A FEW YEARS.

IF YOU PARTNER WITH US, WE NEED YOU AND WE'RE COUNTING ON YOU.

PLEASE BE CREATIVE AND HELP US FINISH THIS.

PLEASE LOOK AT THE DISCRETIONARY FUNDING THAT YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALLY ALLOCATED TO PARKS, AND SEE IF SOME OF THAT COULD GO TOWARD HELPING US COMPLETE KLYDE WARREN PARK, BECAUSE IT SERVES EVERYONE.

PLEASE LOOK AT THE GAP BETWEEN THE $307 MILLION PACKAGE YOU SELECTED AND THE 310 APPROVED PROPOSITION TO SEE IF THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE ROOM FOR US.

CONSIDERING THE PARK'S ONGOING IMPACT ON SO MANY, THIS MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT LEGACY DECISION YOU CAN MAKE ON YOUR TERM ON CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHRISTOPHER LOFTON.

CHRISTOPHER LOFTON IS NOT PRESENT STEPHANIE LOFTON.

STEPHANIE LOFTON STEPHANIE LOFTON IS NOT PRESENT.

CHERYL. ANANDA OR.

CHERYL. ANANDA. CHERYL.

OKAY, SO LINDA IS NOT PRESENT.

MICHAEL. OH, OKAY, I SEE MISS.

MISS ANANDA, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE WILL COME BACK, MICHAEL GREENLEE.

WELL, I WAS ALL PREPARED TO SAY GOOD MORNING, BUT I'LL SAY GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL GREENLEE, AND I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN DALLAS.

I'VE BEEN DRIVING A CARRIAGE FOR 30 YEARS, AND A COMPANY THAT I WORK FOR, DOES EXTENSIVE SCREENING ON OTHER DRIVERS AND THE CARRIAGES TO ENSURE THE THE UTMOST SAFETY.

ABOUT EVERYTHING.

WE ENJOY WHAT WE DO BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE OF MEETING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES AND OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL.

LIKE THE WORLD CUP'S COMING, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE COMING HERE.

SO, WE THINK THAT, THE CARRIAGES ARE A VITAL PART OF THE DALLAS, LANDSCAPE BECAUSE OF THE TOURISM THAT THEY BRING IN AND ALL OF THE, THE, THE BENEFITS THAT IT HAS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PEOPLE FROM CHICAGO ARE TELLING YOU, OUR HORSES ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF, OF THE BEST CARE POSSIBLE.

THIS GROUP ALSO PROTESTS, RESTAURANTS ALL OVER, DALLAS.

THEY STAND OUT BECAUSE THEY SERVE MEAT AND THEY STAND OUT IN FRONT AND HOLLER AND YELL AT PEOPLE.

THE CUSTOMERS COMING INTO THE RESTAURANTS, WHICH WE DON'T THINK IS VERY GOOD.

SO, WE JUST, I, I BELIEVE THAT, THAT THE CARRIAGES, GENERATE TOURISM.

IT BRINGS IN, PEOPLE THAT, THAT WANT TO, ESPECIALLY AROUND HOLIDAY SEASONS AND STUFF.

SO I JUST STRONGLY URGE YOU TO NOT BAN, THE DALLAS CARRIAGES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

BRIAN. HI.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EVERYBODY WATCHING.

I ONLY NEED TWO MINUTES. I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO LUNCH.

LAST TIME I ADDRESSED THIS CHAMBER, I HIGHLIGHTED THE NEED TO SHED LIGHT ON A TOPIC THAT SEEMS LESS KNOWN AMONGST THIS BODY THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE INDUSTRY IN DALLAS.

FOR DECADES, OUR INDUSTRY HAS OPERATED SEAMLESS, CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY'S CHARM AND HERITAGE.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE MISCONCEPTIONS PROMPTING ME TO SEIZE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ILLUSTRATE THE VERY BEST OF ANIMAL OF URBAN ANIMAL HUSBANDRY AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS ENSHRINED IN THE CITY CODE, CHAPTER 47, ARTICLE THREE.

OUR INDUSTRY STANDS ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS LIKE BETTY SHAW, DON BEARDEN.

MAY HE REST IN PEACE.

CATHY TOLER AND GERALD TAYLOR, ALONG WITH PIONEERS IN OUR INDUSTRY LIKE CHARLES SMITH.

TOGETHER, THEY CRAFTED BYLAWS THAT HAVE NOT ONLY SUSTAINED, BUT ALSO QUIETLY ADVANCED OUR INDUSTRY.

ALLOW ME TO SHARE SOME NOTABLE ASPECTS OF OUR REGULATORY FRAMEWORK.

OUR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE AMONG THE STRICTEST IN THE NATION.

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ALL HORSES ARE EQUIPPED WITH A DIAPER TO MAINTAIN CLEANLINESS ON THE CITY STREETS.

OUR CARRIAGES ALWAYS CARRY AT LEAST FIVE GALLONS OF WATER TO KEEP THE HORSES HYDRATED.

WE USE BORIUM, A SPECIAL METAL COMPOUND FOR HORSESHOES, ENHANCING GRIP ON CONCRETE SURFACES.

IN THE EVENT OF AN INJURY, A HORSE CAN ONLY RETURN TO WORK WITH THE CLEARANCE NOTE FROM A LICENSED VETERINARIAN TURNED INTO OUR DIRECTOR, ENSURING THEIR FULL RECOVERY.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR CITY ORDINANCES PROTECT WORKING HORSES FROM HARASSMENT OR STARTLING SAFEGUARDING THEIR WELFARE AND THAT OF THE PUBLIC.

TO THOSE THAT COME FROM OUTSIDE TEXAS WITH INTENTIONS TO DISRUPT OR CHALLENGE OUR OPERATIONS BASED ON DIFFERING STATE PHILOSOPHIES OR AGENDAS, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT SUCH ACTIONS DO NOT ONLY DISRESPECT OUR HERITAGE AND FREEDOM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AGAINST THE LAW.

WE HAVE MEASURES IN PLACE TO ADDRESS AND DOCUMENT SUCH INCIDENTS BACKED BY VIDEO EVIDENCE, ARREST RECORDS IF NECESSARY.

AGAIN, I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE CHANCE TO PRESENT THESE FACTS TODAY.

I'M EAGER TO CONTINUE THIS DIALOG IN THE FUTURE, FOSTERING A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING AND APPRECIATION OF THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE INDUSTRY IN DALLAS.

THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN.

THANK YOU, JERRY SCHWARTZ.

MY NAME IS JERRY SCHWARTZ.

I'M A 72 YEAR OLD OWNER OF FANTASY CARRIAGES.

IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE HORSE AND WAGON, WE WOULD NOT BE SITTING HERE TODAY WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, PROSPEROUS CITY, INCLUDING THE GREAT CITY OF DALLAS.

THE HORSE AND WAGON PLAYED AN INTEGRAL PART IN WINNING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WHICH IN TURN GAVE US A FREE COUNTRY.

THE WEST WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SETTLED IF IT NOT FOR THE HORSE AND WAGON.

WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE OPPOSITION HAS MADE NUMEROUS COMMENTS ABOUT MISTREATMENT OF A HORSE PULLING HEAVY CARRIAGES.

THEY WOULD LIKE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO AWAY WITH HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, BANNING THE HORSE AND CARRIAGE COULD WIPE AN ENTIRE POPULATION OUT.

THE AMISH SOLELY DEPEND ON THE HORSE AND BUGGY FOR FARMING AND IS ALSO THEIR SOLE MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION.

I STAND HERE TODAY AS AN OPERATOR OF ONE OF THE LARGER CARRIAGES, AND EVEN AT MY AGE I CAN MOVE IT FREELY AROUND AS IF I NEED TO, IF I NEED TO.

WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL FEMALE DRIVERS THAT CAN DO THE SAME THING.

ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA, A HORSE HARNESS TO A WHEELED VEHICLE ON A PAVED ROAD CAN CARRY EIGHT TIMES ITS WEIGHT.

EVERYTHING I HAVE SPOKEN TODAY IS HISTORICALLY CORRECT.

MY COUNTERPARTS WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT A DOUBLE TREE, POLE, YOKE, OR SINGLE TREE IS USED FOR, OR THE ROLE OF EACH HARNESS PART.

EACH PART IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO HELP THE HORSE PULL EFFICIENTLY, AS WELL AS BRINGING THEM COMFORT WHILE WORKING.

THE ONES TRYING TO BAN THE CARRIAGES ARE NOT FULLY EDUCATED, AND THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE INDUSTRY OR THE POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT WE HAVE NOT ONLY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS BUT AROUND THE WORLD.

I FULLY SUPPORT SAFE DALLAS CARRIAGES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

I'LL NOW GO BACK TO OUR VIRTUAL SPEAKER, CHERYL ANANDA.

CHERYL. ANANDA. RIGHT.

CHERYL ANANDA.

MISS ANANDA, WILL YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR VIDEO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.

I'M SORRY, MISS HERNANDEZ.

MR. MAYOR, THIS CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE MAYOR PRO TEM FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S IT'S THAT TIME OF THE DAY.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE, THE MAYOR, IS TRYING TO GET US ATTENTION.

WE'RE TRYING.

OUTSIDE OF THE MAYOR. THE NEXT MOST IMPORTANT PERSON HERE TODAY IS JESSE MORENO.

IT'S HIS BIRTHDAY.

SO WE DO HAVE A CAKE.

AND SO WE MRS AARON GRACE ARE YOUR CLOSEST TO HIM.

YOU WANT TO START US OFF WITH HAPPY BIRTHDAY? HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU AND MANY MORE.

WONDERFUL. ALRIGHT.

AND FOR THE RECORD, THE TIME IS NOW.

2:01 P.M.

AND THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MEMBERS, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MAKING YOU WAIT SO LONG TO EAT, BUT, YOU GUYS LIKE TO TALK.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

WE TALKED. WE HAD WE HAD A TALK.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

MAYOR ROBBINS USED TO SAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.