[Community Police Oversight Board on February 13, 2024.]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MY NAME IS, UH, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
I'M THE NEW CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AS OF SIX DAYS AGO.
SO, AS FOR PATIENCE, WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD AT THIS TIME.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET THIS MEETING STARTED.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING IS 5 39.
I WANNA BEGIN BY STATING THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE'RE HERE TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT OF COMPLAINTS, MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES, MAKE SURE THEY'RE CONDUCTED FAIR AND THOROUGHLY FOR IT TO BE TRANSPARENT AND ENSURE THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO COMPLAINT PROCESS.
AND THE DUTIES OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THIS BOARD ARE TO ENSURE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS.
NUMBER TWO, TO REVIEW FACTS AND EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
NUMBER THREE, TO DIRECT THE MONITOR OF THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
NEXT, TO ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
ALSO TO ACCEPT, UH, FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS TO TAKE SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES TO REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AND TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN, UH, THIS MEETING JUST TO THANK, UH, THE VICE CHAIR JOSE REVIS FOR HIS SERVICE THESE PAST FEW MONTHS.
UH, HE SERVED THIS COMMITTEE VERY WELL, AND I WANNA PUBLICLY, UH, EXPRESS, UH, GRATITUDE TO HIM.
HE STEPPED IN WITH VERY LITTLE NOTICE AND WAS ABLE TO SUSTAIN MOMENTUM FOR OUR BOARD.
AND JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND TO THIS BOARD.
DURING BOARD MEETINGS, ALL MEMBERS AND GUESTS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER SPEAKERS AND TO CITY EMPLOYEES, AND SHALL REFRAIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS, REFLECTING AS TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE OTHER ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO THE MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES.
SO LET'S BEGIN TODAY, UH, WITH A ROLL CALL BOARD.
UH, CALLING TO SEE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT.
DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR.
DISTRICT 10, DISTRICT 11, DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT 13.
DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13, PRESENT.
DISTRICT 14, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14 PRESENT.
AND I, UH, REPRESENT DISTRICT 15 FOR THE MAYOR OF DALLAS.
AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE TO THE SESSION WHERE WE PROVIDE SPACE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, OPEN MIC.
PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURES, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER, PER, WITH SOME DISCRETION BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED.
BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED FROM ONE TO THREE MINUTES.
SO IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED UP ALREADY, UH, PLEASE, UH, FIND SOMEONE TO DO SO.
BUT I BELIEVE TODAY WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THAT WILL BE HERE, UH, SHARING PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, THE FIRST IS DOLORES PHILLIPS.
DOLORES PHILLIPS, UH, WELCOME TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
MAKE SURE THE MIC IS TURNED ON.
AND, UH, ONCE YOU BEGIN SPEAKING, UH, WE'LL START TIMING, UH, THE THREE MINUTES.
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IS IT DO OKAY, MS. PHILLIPS HANDOUTS.DOLORES PHILLIPS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AGAIN.
ADDRESS, SIX 20 WEST, WEST CHESTER, APARTMENT 1 7 1 0 8 GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.
THE FIRST HANDOUT THAT YOU SEE IS DOC ONE.
IT'S THE FIRST COMPLAINT FILED BY THE DALLAS POLICE AND FIRE PENSION SYSTEM IN 1994.
ON PAGE THREE OF FOUR, ON DOC TWO IS THE ORDER SIGNED AUGUST, 2019.
WIN A CITY, A COUNTY A MUNICIPALITY BATTLES ITS FIRST RESPONDERS.
THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE.
S SIMULTANEOUSLY, CITIZENS ARE THROWN UNDER THE BUS AS WELL.
IT'S A MASSIVE, MASSIVE COVERUP.
AND I TAKE YOUR WORD THAT YOU'RE A MAN OF INTEGRITY UNTIL YOU SHOW ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THIS BOARD HAS BEEN THIS PLACE WHERE CITIZENS' COMPLAINTS ARE INTERCEPTED.
AND WHEN THEY HAVE EVIDENCE, IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS IN THE ROOM, THERE ARE EVIDENCE IN EXHIBITS OR INTERCEPTED.
THEY'RE BULLIED, THEY'RE INTIMIDATED.
SO THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT SERVING THE PURPOSE IN WHICH IT WAS IMPLEMENTED TO DO.
IT'S A MASSIVE, MASSIVE COVERUP.
IN DOC FIVE, PAGE 19, IT IS A BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE OF A CD THAT PROVES BEYOND ANY TYPE DOUBT THAT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING THE TRUTH.
WHEN I WAS TAKEN OCTOBER 25TH, 2013, THE GREEN OAKS, IT WAS A MASSIVE, MASSIVE COVERUP.
AND NOW IT'S A FABRICATED POLICE REPORT.
PLEASE LOOK AT DOC FOUR, WHERE IT STATES, I USED HANDS AND FEETS AS WEAPONS.
I WAS TOLD BY OFFICERS FROM THEN TO NOW OVER A HANDFUL.
IT'S EITHER I USED HANDS AND FEETS AS WEAPONS, OR THE OFFICER INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED THE POLICE REPORT.
IEGE, NOT ONLY WAS THE POLICE REPORT FABRICATED, IT WAS DID WITH INTENT TO HARM.
WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT DOC FIVE, THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT, DOC FOUR WAS REFERENCED OFF THE RECORD WITH MY DAD CAUSING HIS DEMISE BEFORE HIS TIME IEGE.
THAT'S ONGOING RETALIATION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, DALLAS COUNTY LINKS, CONNECTIONS, AND NETWORKS, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.
SO WHEN YOU'RE A POLICE OFFICER, IF YOU SPEAK OF INJUSTICES, YOUR FELLOW OFFICERS ARE THE ONES THAT THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS.
SO I'M NOT AT ALL SURPRISED BY BEING THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY PEOPLE LOOK LIKE ME.
MA'AM, THERE'S NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN, MA'AM.
SO 20 SOME YEARS, YOU FOUGHT THE POLICE.
YOU DID THE SAME WITH ROBERT GROVE.
SIR, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR? I WAS TOLD THESE DOCUMENTS AND HANDOUTS ARE PERMANENTLY FILED WITH YOUR COMMITTEE OR THE BOARD OR THE CITY.
CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE PERMANENTLY FILED? AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE.
NEXT ON THE LIST, I'D LIKE TO INVITE DIELLE LANE, IF YOU COULD, UH, PLEASE, UH, MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE MICROPHONE.
UH, IF POSSIBLE, MAKE SURE THAT MIC'S TURNED ON.
AND, UM, LOVE TO HEAR, UH, YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMAN, UH, CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMAN, BOARD MEMBERS.
I THANK Y'ALL FOR HEARING ME AGAIN.
UM, JUST TRYING TO CHECK THE STATUS OF MY INVESTIGATION.
MY ORIGINAL COMPLAINT WAS BACK IN JUNE 13TH, 2023.
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AND NOW WITH FEBRUARY 12TH, 2024.I REALLY JUST WANTED KNOW THE STATUS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
I KNOW A LOT OF CHANGES HAPPENED.
UM, I WANT TO THANK, UH, YOU GUYS TREMENDOUSLY FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, UH, UH, EVERY MONTH SPEAKING ABOUT IT, BRINGING IT UP.
I THANK Y'ALL FOR ALL OF Y'ALL HAVE DONE.
UM, MR. WILLIAMS, I KNOW, UH, MS. MCCLARY, SHE'S NOT NO LONGER WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD, BUT, UM, JUST WANT A FEW ANSWERS.
UM, I'M LOOKING FOR A LETTER TO COME BACK TO ME.
JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT'S THE VERDICT.
UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
UH, AGAIN, YOUR PRESENCE IS ALWAYS A GIFT.
UM, IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE AND JUST KNOW THAT, UH, YOUR CASE IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO THIS BOARD.
UH, IN FACT, THERE'S AN LEGITIMATE ITEM A LITTLE BIT LATER WHERE WE'LL HEAR AN UPDATE FROM, UH, THE DIRECTOR, THE OCPO, ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
BUT REST ASSURED, UH, I KNOW SHE'S CHECKING ON IT EVERY DAY, THE STATUS, UH, WE HAVE OUR EYES ON THAT, AND, UH, WE ARE JUST LIKE YOU EAGERLY AWAITING THE, UH, THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE INDIVIDUALS HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE, UH, UH, ONLINE BY CHANCE? UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE ONE ON ONE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. WILLIAMS. I APPRECIATE IT.
WELL, IN THAT CASE, LET'S, UH, MOVE, UH, TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM, UH, THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING OF 2024, IF YOU COULD TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO KINDA LOOK IT OVER.
UH, AND, UH, WHENEVER SOMEONE FEELS, UH, THAT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 9TH, 2024.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER FROM DISTRICT THREE IS TRYING TO GET ONLINE.
WHILE WE'RE LOOKING OVER THE MINUTES, IF SOMEBODY COULD SEND OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW.
THANKS, MR. WILLIAMS. UH, WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT I THINK, UH, DISTRICT THREE, CHUNG HIGGINS IS, UH, HAVING SOME TROUBLE GETTING ONLINE.
HAVE YOU, DO YOU SEE HIM BY CHANCE IN THE WAITING ROOM? NO, BUT I'LL TAKE CARE.
HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. WILLIAMS. I APPRECIATE THAT.
DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13, MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? JOSE VISS, DISTRICT SEVEN SECOND.
I'M IN DISTRICT FOUR, SO ON, UH, ON THE MINUTES IT HAS USED A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
IT'S ACTUALLY, THE LINES ARE WRONG.
SHE'S IN THE RIGHT DISTRICT'S.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, UH, SPACING.
DO WE FEEL GOOD ENOUGH TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL? OKAY.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY LAST NAME IS L-A-N-D-E-R.
THAT'S NO BIG DEAL, BUT I WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR NOTED FOR THE RECORD.
UH, LET'S GO TO A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 9TH.
ALL OPPOSED, MAY IT NEEDS TO BE STATED WITH NECESSARY CORRECTIONS.
SO WITH THE, WITH THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS, ARE WE GOOD TO APPROVE? YES.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT IT DOES SAY YOU'RE, IT IS JUST ON THE LINE BELOW, UH, THERE'S A SPACING ISSUE.
SO WITH WITH THOSE CORRECTIONS, WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT.
MOVING ON WITH THAT, IS IT OKAY IF YOU CHANGE THE SPACING ON, ON THOSE? SURE.
WE'LL DO ONE MORE VOTE JUST TO BE SURE.
ALL OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES.
TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE ACTION ITEMS. UH, WE'LL GO TO THREE A ITEM ONE, CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA.
RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD MEMO REGARDING THE LANE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS WRITTEN BY CPOB, VICE CHAIR, REVIS, AND DYNA LANE, INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY OCPO.
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UH, TO LEAD THIS DISCUSSION.
SO ACTUALLY, UH, VICE CHAIR REVIS WAS GOING TO READ THE, UM, UPDATE ON THE MEMOS, AND THEN I WAS GOING TO READ ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING.
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GOOD EVENING.UH, ON JANUARY 24TH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA, UH, RESPONDED TO OUR, UH, OUR BOARD MEMO, UM, REGARDING THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION ON MR. DILL LANE.
UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT SEEN IT OR READ IT, UM, I WILL READ IT FOR YOU.
IN RESPONSE TO THE MEMORANDUM REGARDING THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION INVOLVING MR. DONNELL LANE, THE INVESTIGATION REMAINS OPEN AND IN THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW PHASE, UNFORTUNATELY, THE INVESTIGATION IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND MY CONTROL.
AN OFFICER INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION IS CURRENTLY ON LEAVE DUE TO FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT, FMLA.
AS A RESULT, THERE IS A TEMPORARY DELAY IN THE PROGRESSION OF THIS INVESTIGATION.
WHEN THE OFFICER RETURNS FROM F-M-L-A-I-A-D WILL PROMPTLY CONTINUE THE INTERNAL PROCESSES TO ENSURE THE INVESTIGATION CAN MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP.
I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ADDRESSING COMPLAINTS PROMPTLY AND THOROUGHLY, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED BY THIS DELAY.
PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT I TAKE ALL COMPLAINTS SERIOUSLY.
AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION IS DOING EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR POWER TO EXPEDITE THE INVESTIGATION WHILE ADHERING TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT.
I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION THIS DELAY MAY HAVE ON MR. LANE AND THE COMMUNITY.
THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION COMMANDER, MAJOR IRENE ALANISE, WILL KEEP POLICE MONITOR ELAINE CHANDLER AND THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, INFORMED OF ANY UPDATES OR CHANGES TO THE INVESTIGATION TIMELINE.
IN THE MEANTIME, I APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND PATIENCE AS WE WORK TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUIRE FURTHER INFORMATION, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND COOPERATION.
EDDIE GARCIA, CHIEF OF POLICE, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, BOARD MEMBERS.
ANY RESPONSE COMMENTS TO CHIEF GARCIA'S LETTER BACK TO US? I HAVE A COMMENT.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
I'M STILL VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THIS PROGRESS.
IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
WE'VE NEVER HAD TO WAIT FOR A REPORT.
WE RECEIVE THE REPORT WHEN WE RECEIVE THE REPORT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS NEW PROCESS WHERE THE OFFICERS HAVE TO APPROVE IT, THEY GET A COPY, AND THEN IT, IT MOVES ON.
THIS CASE WAS, I WAS NEW WHEN THIS CASE CAME, AND OF COURSE IT HIT ME HARD, HEAVY ON MY HEART, BUT I THINK IT HIT ME EVEN HARDER WHEN I FOUND OUT WHAT KIND OF DISREGARD I CAN EVEN SAY THAT THE CHIEF HAS.
BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WHEN I CAME, I THOUGHT THIS WAS, UH, BOARD OF ACTION ON A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL.
AND I FOUND THAT I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T NOTICED THAT YET, ESPECIALLY SINCE I CAME IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR ON THAT CASE.
AND IT'S STILL HERE IN A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR.
THE OTHER PART WAS JUST THAT THIS IS ALMOST VERBATIM WHAT I AT LEAST READ.
SAID IT THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE WERE HERE UPSTAIRS.
I, WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WAS READING IT, WHEN IT CAME IN THE EMAIL, I WAS LIKE, I CAN HEAR HER SAYING THIS.
AND NOW IT JUST HAS HIS STAMP ON IT.
BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME RUN AROUND.
I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE GOING ON.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I'M DISGUSTED WITH THE, WITH THE, THE WAY THINGS ARE RUNNING.
UH, THIS IS DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
UM, THIS HAS GONE ON LONGER THAN I WOULD'VE THOUGHT.
HOPEFULLY IT'S GONE ON LONGER THAN THE IAB FOLKS, UH, WOULD'VE THOUGHT I UNDERSTAND DUE PROCESS, AND I THINK EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO IT, INCLUDING MR. LANE AND THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS INVOLVED.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AS PART OF THE INTERNAL PROCESS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ONE OF THESE, NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, BUT ANY MATTER THE POLICE OFFICER INVOLVED GETS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE IAD REPORT AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DUE PROCESS.
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UM, WHAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT HERE IS THE DELAY BECAUSE OF THE FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT.I UNDERSTAND, UH, THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER IS ENTITLED TO THAT LEAVE.
AND I'M NOT SURE, AND THIS IS WHAT'S NOT EXPLAINED TO ME, TO MY SATISFACTION AS TO WHY THE FMLA LEAVE IS PREVENTING THIS OFFICER FROM LOOKING AT THE REPORT AND MAKING HER COMMENT.
UH, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR DUE PROCESS.
IF THERE'S A LEGITIMATE REASON THAT THIS EMPLOYEE IS NOT ABLE TO OR CANNOT LOOK AT IT, THEN I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPECTED.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN ANSWER AS TO WHY THE FMLA IS PREVENTING THIS FROM MOVING FORWARD.
AS TO THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, MY CONCERN IS, AS EVERYONE ELSE IS, UH, THAT HERE WE ARE GETTING PUNTED ONE MORE TIME.
IT SAYS, AND I'LL QUOTE, WHEN THE OFFICER RETURNS FROM FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE, IAD WILL PROMPTLY CONTINUE THE INTERNAL PROCESSES.
THERE'S NO INDICATION OF WHEN THE OFFICER'S GONNA RETURN FROM FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE.
THERE'S NO INDICATION OF IF THE OFFICER'S GOING TO RETURN.
THERE'S NO INDICATION OF HOW MUCH TIME THE FMLA IS ALLOWING THIS OFFICER TO BE OFF.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE CONCERNING ME.
AND LIKE, UH, MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE SAID, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE I WAS APPOINTED, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW.
AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE RIDICULOUS.
THIS, UH, MEMO FROM, UH, CHIEF GARCIA SHOULD AT LEAST GIVE US SOME TIMELINE, AND THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST OF THE CHAIR THAT YOU REQUEST.
'CAUSE THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO APPARENTLY IS REQUEST, UH, SOME KIND OF A TIMELINE.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO WE HAVE TO WAIT? THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH FLMA, VERY FAMILIAR.
IT'S GRANTED WITH A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME, AND THEN TO EXTEND IT REQUIRES ANOTHER MEDICAL LETTER SAYING HOW MUCH LONGER THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE OFF FOR FLMA.
THE WAY THE CHIEF DESCRIBES IT IN THIS MEMO, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S OPEN-ENDED.
AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I, I'M, I'M NOT BUYING THIS AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR OFFICERS INVOLVED.
ONE IS ON FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT LEAVE, OKAY? WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT OFFICER'S EVER COMING BACK AS, AS WAS JUST SAID.
SO THERE'S NO REASON THAT ONE OFFICER SHOULD HOLD UP THE ENTIRE INVESTIGATION OR THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS.
THIS OFFICER COULD BE, COULD HAVE A TERMINAL ILLNESS.
BUT IF THIS OFFICER NEVER COMES BACK, IT'S NOT LIKE THE INVESTIGATION'S JUST GONNA END.
THERE ARE THREE OTHER OFFICERS INVOLVED.
AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY WE ARE PAUSING THE INVESTIGATION INTO THOSE THREE OFFICERS BECAUSE ONE OFFICER IS ON LEAVE.
I I, THE, THE, WE'RE, I'M NOT CRAZY HERE.
THERE'S NO REASON THAT THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS CAN'T BE INTERVIEWED, COME TO SOME RESOLUTION WITH THOSE THREE OFFICERS, AND THEN ADDRESS THE FOURTH OFFICER WHEN HE OR SHE RETURNS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME JUST MAKE A, AN ADDED COMMENT BECAUSE I STAND BY WHAT I SAID BEFORE.
I'M, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE DUE PROCESS HERE.
I RAISED AN ISSUE THE LAST TIME, AND AGAIN, MAYBE MS. WADSWORTH, UH, CAN HELP ME OUT ON THIS, BUT I RAISED AN ISSUE THE LAST TIME AS TO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS IS THE OFFICERS COME INTO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT AND LOOK AT IT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO OR SUPPOSED TO DO.
I UNDERSTAND THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER IS ON FMLA AND PERHAPS CAN'T COME, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REPORT CAN'T GO TO HER.
IN OTHER WORDS, BE SENT TO HER, LET HER LOOK AT IT, MAKE HER COMMENTS, AND BRING THEM BACK.
MAYBE THERE'S A, A PROCESS, MAYBE THERE'S AN IMPEDIMENT TO THAT.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IF THAT CAN BE DONE, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THE DELAY IS IN ANYBODY'S INTEREST.
NOT THE CITY, NOT THE POLICE, NOT THE PUBLIC, NOT MR. LANE.
I THINK THIS NEEDS TO GET RESOLVED AND EVERYBODY MOVE ON.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, UH, DISTRICT TWO, I, I WANNA APOLOGIZE TO YOU, MAN.
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REALLY DO.I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M P****D OFF.
AND THE WORLD IS WATCHING DALLAS TOOK A BIG BLACK EYE.
SO THE MEDIA'S GOING TO GO BACK AND WRITE THIS NARRATIVE THAT THIS POLICE OFFICER, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IS ON MEDICAL LEAVE.
NOW, I'M NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORIST.
I DON'T PLAY EITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS ON TV.
AND, YOU KNOW, I GOT A QUESTION.
HAVE THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS ALREADY LOOKED AT THE REPORT AND WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THIS FOURTH ONE? ARE WE JUST KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD? BECAUSE LIKE THIS, UH, SERVICEMAN, I TOO AM A VETERAN.
WE UNDERSTAND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND ORDERS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE, AND THIS TIMELINE HAS GOT ITSELF SCREWED UP.
AND WE EXPECT MORE FROM OUR POLICE CHIEF.
WE HEAR ALL THESE OUTSTANDING THINGS ABOUT ALL THE THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A VETERAN, AGAIN, THAT WAS CAUGHT.
OFFICERS THAT WAS CAUGHT ON VIDEO.
I MEAN, IT'S OPEN AND SHUT CASE.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING? IT TELLS ME THAT HOW MUCH POWER DOES THE BOARD HAVE? I MEAN, HONESTLY, THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
IT IS RIDICULOUS THAT WE ARE HERE, WHAT, NINE MONTHS LATER.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST TERRIBLE.
AND IT AFFECTS ME PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW IT AFFECTS YOU PERSONALLY, BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T BE HERE.
THIS SHOULD BE A DONE DEAL A LONG TIME AGO AGO, AND WE CHANGED OUT LEADERSHIP.
WHY? I MEAN, WHISPERS ARE BECAUSE OF YOUR CASE.
AGAIN, I'M NOT A CONSPIRACY THERAPIST, BUT THINGS STINK AROUND HERE, AND I THINK THAT WE DESERVE MORE, AND I'M GOING TO EXPECT MORE FROM THOSE IN THOSE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.
AND I'M LIKE YOU, MR. GRAM, IT READ JUST LIKE THE, THE, THE ANSWER WE GOT BEFORE.
AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DID NOT EXPECT THIS TO BE THE ANSWER.
I EXPECTED SOMEONE TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
BUT INSTEAD, THE ANSWER WE GET IS, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME AT ALL.
AND EVERY MONTH GOING FORWARD, EVERY MONTH GOING FORWARD, I'M GONNA RAISE HELL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE IT SICKENS ME.
THANK YOU YOU, ALISON ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE.
THIS IS, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP AS A BOARD WITH IA.
IF THE THINGS AND THE CASES THAT WE INVESTIGATE AND ARE INTERESTED IN CAN BE STALLED OUT INDEFINITELY BY IA.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE BOARD AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT I, I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT ONLY, UH, AN ABSOLUTE EMBARRASSMENT OF AN INDIVIDUAL CASE.
AND, AND I ABSOLUTELY ECHO MY COLLEAGUE'S APOLOGY OF HOW LONG THIS HAS TAKEN TO GET ANY MANNER OF TRANSPARENCY AND JUSTICE FOR YOUR CASE, MR. LANE.
BUT I THINK IT ALSO IS SORT OF A, A STRUCTURAL FRICTION POINT FOR HOW THIS BOARD CAN REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY.
IF THE PROCESSES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN BE WITHOUT TRANSPARENCY SHUTTLED AWAY FROM US.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IF WE CAN'T BRING IN OFFICERS TO COME IN AND ANSWER FOR THEMSELVES, IF WE CAN'T BRING IN AND INVESTIGATE IT FURTHER BECAUSE IT'S NIA, THEN I THINK MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS WE TAKE A CRITICAL EYE AT THE STRUCTURE OF THIS BOARD.
BOARD MEMBERS FOR COMMENTS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MAJOR ESE ABOUT THE OVERALL PROCESS OF THIS TYPE OF REVIEW.
IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THERE ARE FOUR OFFICERS INVOLVED.
IS IT CUSTOMARY AND ORDINARY THAT WE, THAT THEY SPEAK TO THOSE OFFICERS ONE AT A TIME? OR ARE THOSE INTERVIEWS SIMULTANEOUS AND ONGOING? REMEMBER WE WERE TOLD BACK IN NOVEMBER THAT THERE WAS A DEDICATED DETECTIVE ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE FOR OVER A MONTH TO GATHER THAT DATA.
SO HAVE THE OTHER, IS IT REASONABLE AND CUSTOMARY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER INFORMATION AND WE'RE
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JUST WAITING ON ONE OFFICER? IS THAT THE WAY IT WORKS? OR MAYBE IS THIS THE FIRST OFFICER AND WE HAVEN'T STARTED WITH THE PROCESS TO THE OTHERS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEIR PROCEDURE.AND I WOULD LIKE THAT PROCEDURE CLARIFIED.
WHAT IS THE STANDARD AND ORDINARY PROCEDURE IN IAD DERRICK GRAM, DISTRICT SIX? EXACTLY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS EMPOWERING US, WAS THE FACT THAT THEY, UH, GAVE ONE PERSON THE CASE.
SO WHY CAN'T THAT PERSON GO TO THE ONE THAT'S NOT ABLE TO, THAT'S ON IT, MFLA OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.
BUT IF IT WAS SO DEDICATED TO ONE PERSON, WHY IS THERE A STUNT? IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE TO COME INTO THIS BIG, UH, TO-DO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN.
AND I'M NOT, IF YOU SAY A CONSPIRACY, P, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN CONSPIRACY.
AND IT'S PROBABLY MAJOR ALANISE THAT WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WE ALL UNDERSTAND PROCEDURES, BUT THE PROCEDURES HAVE NOT BEEN MADE CLEAR.
I FEEL THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS PURPOSEFULLY DELAYED PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGING THE ERROR, EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE IN THE WORLD HAS SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THE WRONG.
AND SO THEY'RE HOPING THAT THE PUBLIC GIVES UP.
AND YET OUR POLICE CHIEF GIVES US THIS NONSENSE LETTER.
AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD THE LONGEST, BUT I DON'T RECALL HIM EVER COMING TO OUR MEETING.
HE HAS NO RESPECT FOR THIS BOARD.
I DON'T THINK HE, I COULD HEAR, I RECALL HIM BEING HERE ON AT LEAST A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS.
I'M NOT, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T REMEMBER HIM BEING HERE.
UM, WE WROTE A LETTER EXPLAINING OUR DISCUSS, AND WE GET THIS, YOUR NEW CHAIRMAN, IT'S TIME TO WRITE ANOTHER LETTER AND TELL HIM THIS LETTER THE POLICE CHIEF WROTE US WAS UNACCEPTABLE.
IN THOSE WORDS, THE POLICE CHIEF WROTE US A LETTER THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE TO THIS CASE, AND SEND HIM THE INVITATION TO COME HERE AND TALK TO US.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST PUSHING PAPER.
AND ONE THING I CAN'T STAND IS PUSHING PAPER, SENDING EMAILS IT, COME TALK TO US, COME TALK TO MR. LANE.
SO I MOVE OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER STEPS WE NEED TO TAKE TO WRITE A LETTER.
AGAIN, SAYING THE LETTER WE GOT FROM THE POLICE CHIEF IS UNACCEPTABLE.
AND I DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY, SO I CAN'T BE FIRED, THOUGH.
THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
I WAS APPOINTED TO REPRESENT THE CITIES, THE CITIZENS OF DISTRICT TWO, AND I'M GONNA DO THAT.
THIS LETTER IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
WE NEED TO SEND THAT TO THE POLICE CHIEF TO HELP HIM UNDERSTAND AND INCLUDE THE COUNCIL TO LET HIM KNOW, HEY, MAN, Y'ALL DROPPING THE BALL AND
TO THE EXTENT, MOTION, TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT WAS A MOTION, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, I SECOND THAT MOTION.
SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE FLOOR, THE, THE ACTION ITEM IS, UH, FOR THE CHAIR TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, NUMBER ONE, EXPRESSING OUR DISCONTENT WITH HIS RESPONSE TO OUR FIRST LETTER, AND SECONDLY, TO GIVE HIM A PERSONAL INVITATION TO JOIN US AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
WE WANT TO, WE WANNA LET HIM KNOW THAT THIS LETTER IS UNACCEPTABLE.
WE'LL ALSO WANT TO INCLUDE IN THAT WE WANNA SEND THIS, THAT SAME LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL THE SAME WAY WE DID IT BEFORE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
THE, UH, POLICE CHIEF HAS MADE CLEAR HIS IDEAS HERE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ASK HIM FOR ANOTHER OPINION.
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SAME STUFF.HE REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER.
OKAY? OUR LETTER NEEDS TO GO TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT HIS EMPLOYEE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, GAVE US AN UNACCEPTABLE ANSWER WITH NO TIMEFRAME.
I CAN LIVE
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? YES.
WILL YOU RESTATE THAT MOTION? UH, YES.
SO, UH, I GUESS I'LL BE AMENDING THE MOTION TO SEND A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER TO INCLUDE THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS RESPONSE WE GOT TO OUR PREVIOUS LETTER WAS UNACCEPTABLE.
AND THE SECOND IS STILL STANDS JUDGE LAND, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, YES.
I, I WOULD HONESTLY LEAVE THE POLICE CHIEF OFF THE LETTER.
WE, WE WENT TO HIM, WE GOT A RESPONSE.
I SAY WE, WE GO TO THE COUNCIL, WE GO HIGHER.
WE GO TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
MR. MAPLES, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT WITHOUT BEHIND HIS BACK.
I WANT HIM TO KNOW YOU ARE A PART OF THIS PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WITH THIS BOARD, WITH RESPONSES LIKE THIS.
I WANT HIM TO KNOW THAT WE ARE DISGUSTED ABOUT IT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIM, THAT WE'RE DISGUSTED ABOUT HIM.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE IT OFF.
YEAH, WE WENT TO HIM BEFORE AND HE KIND OF SHOWED US THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HE SHOWED US.
BUT YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
THE CITY MANAGER, THE COUNCIL, AND THE POLICE CHIEF.
AND WE CAN MAKE IT A COURTESY COPY TO, UM, THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
BUT THE ACTUAL LETTER SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE CITY MANAGER WITH COPIES TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE, UM, UH, CITY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS A COP, A COURTESY COPY TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE SINCE HE'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DISTRICT THREE.
SO, UM, I, I'M SORRY, SGA, WOULD YOU MIND TURNING YOUR CAMERA ON? UH, WE, WE, UH, WE NEED TO SEE THAT, UH, ON THERE, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
CAN YOU SEE ME? CURRENTLY? UH, WE JUST SEE YOUR NAME.
UH, IS YOUR CAMERA ON BY CHANCE? MY CAMERA'S ON.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A TERRIBLE CAMERA.
I COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT MEETING.
CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME NOW? OKAY, WE CAN.
THE, UH, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
YEAH, SO, UH, I, I, I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE BOARD MEMBER THAT STATED, I, I COULDN'T SEE WHO IT WAS THAT THE, THE SUB UH, THE TARGET OF THIS LETTER, I THINK ULTIMATE, ULTIMATELY SHOULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER, UM, TO, TO THE POLICE CHIEF'S BOSS.
AND I THINK IT, IT SHOULD GO A STEP FURTHER.
LIKE WE WANT TO TELL, WE WE'RE QUESTION OUR DISCUSS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY, UH, INSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF ON, UH, MOVING THIS FORWARD IN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.
SO, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, DISTRICT THREE, YOU'RE SAYING, UH, TO CARBON COPY THE CITY COUNCIL TO THIS LETTER, OR TO DIRECT THE LETTER TO THEM? I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY DECISIONS MADE, UH, ON THIS CASE OUT OUTSIDE OF THIS BOARD AND, AND, AND, UM, DPD, THAT IT, IT IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY BE THE VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY COUNCIL INSTRUCTING THE CITY MANAGERS TO, TO DO SOMETHING AND MAKE SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS CASE.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, CITY MANAGER, UM, CC THE POLICE CHIEF, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO CENTER THIS LETTER AROUND THE POLICE CHIEF.
THAT WOULD BE EXACTLY WHAT WE DID LAST MONTH.
SO I, I WOULD, I, AND I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT WE MAKE, UH, THAT WE ASK THAT THIS CASE BE RESOLVED IN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME BECAUSE WE'VE WAITED FOR IT FOR LONG ENOUGH, MR. CHAIRMAN? MM-HMM.
WE ARE GETTING SO, SO FAR OUTSIDE WHAT WE STARTED WITH THIS IS LIKE TRYING TO BUILD AN, SOMETHING LIKE AN ELEPHANT.
I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW TO DESCRIBE IT.
UM, I THINK THE LETTER, AGAIN, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE DUE PROCESS.
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MAIN CONCERN HERE.AND I DON'T THINK IT'S HAPPENING.
AND I THINK THE LETTER IS DEFICIENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY INFORMATION.
WE DON'T KNOW WHY FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE IS INHIBITING THIS, OR ANY TIMEFRAMES.
I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AND WE SHOULD TOLD ABOUT.
BUT TO DO ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND POLICY MAKING AND ADDING THIS AND ADDING THAT, I THINK WE'RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.
AND I THINK IT IS SUFFICIENT TO SAY WE FIND THE LETTER UNSATISFACTORY AND LEAVE IT AT THAT, UH, MR. MAPLES, YOU HAVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
SO, UM, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT PLEASE? DID I RESPOND TO THAT? PLEASE? UH, YES.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU ARE A POLICY.
YOU ARE NOT A POLICYMAKING BOARD.
BUT WE DO HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
AND TO THIS DAY, WE HAVE BEEN VERY SOFT ON USING THAT POWER.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR POLICY TO BE MADE.
WE ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE PUBLIC TRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE, WHICH IS OUR PURVIEW TO SAY THAT WE NEED THIS TO BE ESCALATED AND MOVE FORWARD.
AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO INSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE POLICE CHIEF TO ACCELERATE THIS, WHICH THE POLICE CHIEF DOES HAVE THE POWER TO DO IF YOU LOOK AT THE IA GENERAL ORDERS, TO ACCELERATE THIS INVESTIGATION.
WE NOT, WE'RE NOT AFFECTING POLICY.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
UH, MR. MAPLES, UH, YOU HAVE THE MOTION.
YOU'VE STARTED THIS, UH, CONVERSATION.
UH, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO, WILL YOU, WILL YOU RE, WILL YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION? IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON IT OR HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO THE MOTION WAS, OR IS TO SEND A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND WE, I GUESS WE COULD CC THE POLICE CHIEF THAT, THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE.
AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, YEAH, WE NEED, WE NEED A TIME.
WE, WE NEED TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED THIS DONE IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE OUR NEXT TIME WE MEET WILL BE NINE MONTHS.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DUE PROCESS, WHO'S THE REAL ONE THAT'S NOT GETTING DUE PROCESS HERE? I MEAN, LET, LET'S, LET'S KEEP IT REAL.
WHO'S REALLY NOT GETTING DUE PROCESS? SO YEAH, I, I, I'M WILLING TO AMEND IT.
SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO WRITE A LETTER EXPRESSING OUR DISCONTENT ABOUT HIS RESPONSE ADDRESSED TO THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL.
IN THIS LETTER, WE'LL, WE WILL ADDRESS, UH, DISCONTENT, BUT ALSO, UH, REQUEST FOR, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF TO ATTEND OUR MEETING, UH, TO EXPLAIN IN PERSON.
AND WE, DO YOU STILL SECOND THAT? JUDGE LANDERS? YOU LEFT UPLANDER HERE.
YOU LEFT OUT THE PART ABOUT, UM, UH, WE WANT TO, UH, FIND OUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION.
TELL US, IS THERE A TIMELINE, AND IF SO, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR LETTER, AND IF THAT IS PART OF YOUR LETTER, THEN MY SECOND STANCE, YES, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL.
UM, AND, UH, WE WILL NAME, UH, DISTRICT BY DISTRICT, AND IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, YAY.
MR. HIGGINS, ARE YOU OKAY? ALRIGHT.
DISTRICT 10 AND 11 ARE NOT HERE.
AND 12? UH, DISTRICT? DISTRICT.
UH, THERE WILL BE A LETTER WRITTEN AND, UH, THE, UH, THE BOARD WILL BE NOTIFIED WHEN THIS IS WRITTEN, AND, UH, YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED ON THAT.
UH, UH, CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAY THAT THIS WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE, LET IT BE SAID ON THE RECORD.
THIS WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE, UH, BY THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
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THREE.INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER MET WITH DPD, CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND CHIEF GARCIA.
UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UH, TO SHARE ABOUT THIS, THIS MEETING.
OCPO MET WITH, UH, THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICE UNIT, UM, IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY, AS WELL AS CHIEF GARCIA.
UM, DURING THAT MEETING, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT DISCUSSED THE PURPOSE OF THAT UNIT, WHICH PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON TRANSPARENCY AND SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND, UM, THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND THE CHIEF, UM, OF POLICE CHIEF GARCIA STATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE MARCH MEETING, UM, AND THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT WOULD PRESENT ON THAT ITEM.
UM, THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY PRESENTED TO THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.
MR. CHAND, DID YOU SAY THAT THE POLICE CHIEF WOULD LIKE TO COME TO OUR MEETING IN MARCH? THAT'S CORRECT.
I I, I WOULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE NOT HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF HERE UNTIL THE DONNELL LANE CASE IS CONCLUDED, BECAUSE IT, I, I THINK THAT'S THE PRIORITY.
AND I THINK THE CHIEF POLICE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT I, IF I CAN, I, I MEAN, WE HAVE AN OPEN MEETING AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE CHIEF TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY WHILE THE DONNELL LING CASE IS ONGOING, BECAUSE I, IF HE'S HERE, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN HEAR MORE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND, AND THEIR SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOW THAT'S GOING.
I WOULD ALSO ADD, YEAH, I DON'T, I, THIS IS DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING A POSITION THAT SOME OF US PERHAPS THINK THE CITY OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S TAKEN, AND THAT'S NOT TALKING TO US.
SO IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE POLICE CHIEF, WE SHOULD TAKE IT.
THERE'S NOTHING, NO DOWNSIDE TO IT.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE POLICE.
AND I'VE SAID THIS FOR MONTHS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS REPRESENTATIVE BE AT OUR MEETING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN INTERACTION.
UM, GILBERT KNOWS BACK IN THE OLD BOARD, THEY DID COME.
AND SO AGAIN, I WOULD REEXTEND THAT INVITATION FOR THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOLKS TO COME HERE AND MEET WITH US AND EXPLAIN SOME OF THE ISSUES.
AND I THINK IF THAT'S DONE, THERE'LL BE LESS SUSPICIOUS, SUSPICIOUS, UH, THOUGHTS ON THE PART OF, OF THE BOARD, BUT THEY HAVEN'T.
SO, CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? COUNCIL, THE CHAIR? UH, YES.
YOU, UH, YOU AT THE FLOOR? HI.
UM, SO WE ARE HERE, ALLEN AND I WAS, I, WE ARE HERE, UH, REPRESENTING IED.
UM, AND I ALSO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE LANE CASE, BUT I WAS NOT CALLED ON.
ARE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT I CAN SPEAK ON NOW OR ARE WE WAITING FOR MS. ELISE? I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
UH, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY MOVED ON FROM THE DYNA LANE CASE, AND WE'VE, WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S ALREADY PASSED ON THAT.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE AT THIS TIME IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY DIRECTED AT YOU AT THIS POINT.
WELL, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS DIRECTED AT ME.
UM, AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF, IF, IF I COULD GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE THAT RESPONSE.
'CAUSE I DO MIGHT EVEN STATE YOU GUYS SOME WORK ON PROVIDING ANOTHER LETTER.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING AN UPDATE, WHICH I HAVE.
UH, YOU HAVE AN UPDATE TO, UH, THE DANELL LANE CASE? YES, SIR.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR THAT AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE'VE MOVED ON, BUT I THINK, WOULD THE BOARD BE OKAY IF WE HEAR, UH, MAJOR ALANIS IS UPDATE ON THE DANELLE LANE CASE? YES.
UH, MAJOR ALLIS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, WHAT IS THE UPDATE ON, UH, THIS CASE? SO, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE OFFICER THAT WAS OUT ON FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE.
UH, AS SOON AS THAT OFFICER RETURNED, WE DID HAVE THEM COME INTO THE OFFICE SO THAT THEY COULD REVIEW THE CASE.
THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS HAD ALREADY REVIEWED THAT CASE.
UM, SO NOW ALL THE OFFICERS HAVE REVIEWED IT.
THE NEXT STAGE, WHICH I, I THOUGHT I TOUCHED ON AT OUR LAST MEETING WOULD BE FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES CHAIN OF COMMAND TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE CASE SO THAT THEY COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION FOR DISCIPLINE.
AND THAT WAS INVOLVING TWO DIFFERENT CHAIN OF COMMANDS.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THEM IN HERE.
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UH, THEY HAVE ALL MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.THE NEXT STAGE THAT WE ARE AT IS WHERE THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, WILL NOW BE LOOKING AT THE CASE.
THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WILL BE RENDERING, UM, DISCIPLINE SHOULD THEY SEE FIT.
AND THEN ONCE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED, THEN THAT'S WHEN OUR, THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED CLOSED AFTER, WELL, IF DISCIPLINE IS ISSUED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO, SO THIS CHANGE IS A LOT, THIS MISCOMMUNICATION CHANGES A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE WE CAME IN HERE AND, AND MR. LANE, MR. LANE, MR. LANE, DID YOU HEAR THE UPDATE? OKAY.
UM, THERE WAS AN UPDATE TO YOUR CASE.
WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO, WE'LL TRY TO GET IT TO YOU THE BEST, BEST WE CAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING TO HIM OR NOT, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA TALK TO HIM BECAUSE IT INVOLVES HIM.
UM, THIS, THIS, THIS CHANGES A LOT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE STILL STUCK IN NEUTRAL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THINGS ARE, THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT TWO STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN.
NOW DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT? MAJOR? SO, AS SEEMS, YES, SIR.
UM, AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISCOMMUNICATION.
I, I, I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT THAT I WOULD BE GIVING MY UPDATE, UM, BEFORE OR DURING THE LETTER.
SO, UM, HOWEVER, YES, SO WE ARE PREPARING THE FILE, PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN JUST WALK IT UPSTAIRS.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN TOMORROW SO THAT WE CAN GET IT AGAIN TO THE ASSIGNED ASSISTANT CHIEF.
SO WHEN HE GOES TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, THEN WHERE DOES IT GO? UM, SO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WILL REVIEW IT AND THEN HE OR SHE WILL DETERMINE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL HAVE A DISCIPLINARY HEARING WITH THESE OFFICERS.
UM, AND AGAIN, I WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL HE OR SHE REVIEWS THAT CASE.
AND THEN LETS ME KNOW THAT A HEARING, YOU KNOW, WILL BE PUT TOGETHER ON THE, ON THE CALENDAR SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS OFFICER AND REGARDING THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, UH, THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WILL MAKE THEIR FINAL DECISION ON, ON IT, ON OUR FINDINGS.
MAJOR, AND, AND, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, UM, MR. LANE IS HERE WITH US.
THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, IT'LL BE NINE MONTHS.
DO WE REALLY THINK THIS'LL BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TO DRAG ON A YEAR.
I MEAN, IT IT IS, IT IS TERRIBLE THAT IT'S TAKEN THIS LONG.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU SAY YES? NO, MAYBE SLOW? NO SLOW? YES.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT I HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH ENSURING THAT OUR CASES ARE COMPLETED WITHIN A YEAR.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CHIEF GARCIA HAD HAD IMPLEMENTED WHEN HE ARRIVED HERE.
UM, SOME CASES DO TAKE LONGER THAN A YEAR.
UH, AGAIN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON EVERYTHING THAT IS INVOLVED WITH EVIDENCE AND INTERVIEWS AND GETTING ON PEOPLE'S CALENDARS.
THERE'S JUST A NUMBER OF FACTORS.
HOWEVER, FOR THIS CASE, WHICH IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION, WE HAVE MOVED AS QUICKLY AS WE WERE ABLE TO WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS UNDER OUR CONTROL HERE IN IADI DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS LAG TIME WITH THE OFFICER THAT WAS OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE.
UM, AND SO THEREFORE WE DID HAVE TO PLACE THIS OUT ON A HOLD UNTIL THAT OFFICER RETURNED, WHICH HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
I THINK RIGHT NOW, MAYBE THE MISCOMMUNICATION IS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, WHEN THE LETTER I BELIEVE WAS SENT TO OCPO FROM CHIEF GARCIA, WELL, THERE HAS BEEN MOVEMENT SINCE THEN.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A LETTER THAT I, I, HE SPOKE ON WHERE THE CASE WAS AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE MOVED FURTHER ALONG WITH IT.
QUESTION FOR MAJOR ALLEGATIONS.
SO ARE WE, ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WILL HAVE A DECISION IN THIS CASE BY NEXT, MR. HIGGINS? MR. HIGGINS, MR. VICE CHAIR? YES.
I NEED YOU TO, UM, TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE CHAIR TO ENGAGE WITH, UH, MAJOR ALANIS AND ALSO CHAIR, IT'S THE CHAIR'S DECISION ON, ON WHAT FURTHER IS HAPPENING FROM HERE.
WHY ARE YOU, WHY ARE YOU ADVISING ME IN THAT WAY? UH, VICE CHAIR, BECAUSE I, I HEAR PEOPLE INTERJECTING THAT ARE AROUND THE OVAL, UM, WITHOUT ANY, ANY, UH,
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GUIDANCE FROM YOU, SIR.THE CHAIR WAS GETTING READY TO SPEAK.
OKAY, MR. HIGGINS, YOU CAN, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MEISE? YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND I'LL, I'LL COMMENT AFTER YOU.
APOLOGIES IF I SPOKE OVER YOU.
I'M ON, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE PHONE.
BUT, UM, UH, DO WE HAVE, IS THAT A GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL BE DONE BY THEN? BECAUSE IF SO, I STILL THINK THERE'S A LETTER TO BE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS.
UM, UH, I KNOW THAT WHEN THE FORMER, THE, THE, THE PA THE, THE CHIEF BEFORE CHIEF GARCIA, THEIR, THEIR, UH, WINDOW FOR INVESTIGATIONS WAS MUCH SHORTER THAN A YEAR.
AND I WANT TO KNOW WHEN WE GET OUR CONVERSATION WITH GARCIA, THE WHY THAT CHANGED AND WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, BECAUSE IT WAS MUCH A MUCH SHORTER WINDOW OF TIME TO GET INVESTIGATIONS, UH, THE INVESTIGATION CYCLE.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR MAJOR ALANIS.
UH, HAS, HAS THE TIMELINE GOTTEN LONGER WITH THIS CURRENT POLICE CHIEF? UH, WHAT, UH, AS FAR AS INVESTIGATIONS, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? UH, WILL YOU EXPLAIN TO US KIND OF HOW THAT HAS WORKED? YES, SIR.
SO, UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO QUESTIONS AT HAND.
THE FIRST ONE WAS, IF I COULD GUARANTEE SOMETHING, WHICH I CANNOT, I CAN ONLY UPDATE YOU ON WHERE I AM ON THE PROGRESS.
UH, AGAIN, FOR THE CASE BEING SENT UP TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, I, I'M, I'M SURE HE WILL LOOK AT THIS.
THEY USUALLY LOOK AT THEM WITHIN A TIMELY MANNER, BUT I CANNOT GUARANTEE WHEN HE OR SHE WILL BE REVIEWING IT.
UM, I, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM TOMORROW WHEN I DO TAKE IT UPSTAIRS TO SEE WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME I'M LOOKING AT OR WHERE, UM, WHAT, WHAT TIMEFRAME WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THEIR CALENDAR, SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO HAVE A HEARING.
SO I CANNOT GIVE ANY TYPE OF GUARANTEE TONIGHT, UM, TO, TO YOU, MR. CHAIR OR THE BOARD.
NUMBER TWO, REGARDING A TIMEFRAME, UH, IN IAD WITH IAD CASES ON THE CHIEF PRIOR TO CHIEF GARCIA, I AM NOT ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT BECAUSE I WAS NOT ASSIGNED TO IAD AT THAT TIME.
UM, I ARRIVED IN, UH, 2021 TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
AND, UM, I, I CAME ALONG THE TIME WHEN CHIEF GARCIA WAS HERE.
SO I, I CANNOT SPEAK INTO THAT, BUT I CAN SEE IF I CAN LOOK UP SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU REGARDING THAT TIMEFRAME.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THIS UPDATE.
THIS DOES, UH, CHANGE SOME OF THE, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD.
UH, LET'S OPEN THE FLOOR UP AGAIN, UH, TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE NEED TO, UH, AMEND THAT MOTION THAT WAS EXPRESSED EARLIER.
LAUREN GRU SMITH, MR. CHAIR, I DID HAVE, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION TO MAJOR ALANISE.
ARE THERE TWO SEPARATE INVESTIGATIONS? ONE FOR THE OFFICERS WHO DID NOT WEAR THEIR, UH, BODY CAMERA.
AND ONE FOR THE OFFICERS WHO WE SAW ON THE VIDEO WHO HAD ON THEIR BODY CAMERAS.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ASKING IF THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE INVESTIGATIONS, AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
WE HAVE ONE INVESTIGATION WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL, ALL FOUR OF THE OFFICERS AND ANY POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS FROM ALL COURT INVOLVED OFFICERS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MAJOR ALANISE.
IT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION TO HER.
IN AUGUST OF 2023, THAT SIX MONTHS AGO, THAT WAS UNDER THE PRIOR CHAIRMAN AND THE PRIOR DIRECTOR, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR OFFICERS TO FIND OUT OR VERIFY TEXAS LAW WHEN A PERSON WHO IS SO CONFRONTED WITH THOSE OFFICERS SAYS, BUT THERE'S A LAW I'M ALLOWED TO DO X OR Y WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN AN ANSWER AS TO HOW AN OFFICER FINDS OUT.
I HAVE HEARD INFORMALLY THAT IT IS CUSTOMARY FOR OFFICERS TO CALL THE JAIL.
THAT THE JAIL KNOWS WHAT OFFENSES, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LAW IS AT THE JAIL.
AND THAT'S KIND OF INFORMAL, BUT I, WE HAVE NEVER, AS A GROUP HAD AN ANSWER TO THAT.
SO THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTIONS OF FOLLOW UP TO AUGUST OF 2023.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS, TONIGHT, MAJOR ALLEN STATED THAT IT'S A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME FOR INVESTIGATION.
NOW IS THAT ONE YEAR START THE DAY OF THE OFFENSE, OR THE DAY OF THE COMPLAINT? I WANNA CLARIFY WHAT TIMEFRAME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ARE WE GOING BACK TO AUGUST? ARE WE
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GOING BACK TO JULY? ARE WE GOING BACK TO, YEAH.WHERE ARE WE GOING BACK TO JUNE WHEN IT HAPPENED? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PROCEDURE.
SO MINE ARE BOTH PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO ASK MAJOR ESE.
DID YOU, UH, DID YOU HEAR THOSE TWO QUESTIONS? AND WOULD YOU MIND RESPONDING, UH, TO THOSE, UM, IF POSSIBLE? YES, SIR.
SO REGARDING THE FIRST ONE, UM, OFFICERS CONTACTING THE JAIL, UH, THAT IS ONE AVENUE THAT THEY CAN TAKE.
UH, BUT IN ORDER TO GET A FORMAL RESPONSE TO THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO CONFER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEE HOW THEY WOULD, UM, TALK ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO AND DO NOT ENFORCE.
UM, WHICH, IF THAT IS A REQUEST THAT YOU AND YOUR BOARD ARE HAVING, I, I CAN WORK WITH, I GUESS, UH, YOU OR MS. CHANDLER ON, ON GETTING THAT SO THAT I CAN GET THAT WRITTEN RESPONSE TO YOU.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, I BELIEVE ON THE TIMEFRAME.
SO THE YEAR STARTS FROM THE MOMENT THAT I ASSIGN IT AS AN INVESTIGATION TO ONE OF MY DETECTIVES HERE.
AND, UH, BY CHANCE, DO YOU KNOW THAT DATE, UH, WITH THE DYNELL LANE CASE OFFHAND WHEN, UH, WHEN THAT HAPPENED? I DO NOT HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I CAN PROVIDE TO YOU.
AND, UM, AND, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE, IF, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT COMMUNICATION, YES, THAT'D BE GREAT.
WE'LL BE IN TOUCH ABOUT THAT AND I CAN COMMUNICATE THAT DATE, UH, TO THE BOARD AS, AS WELL.
UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MAJOR ALANISE REGARDING, UH, THE DANA LANE CASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT MAJOR ALANISE, BUT, BUT IT'S ABOUT IT.
UM, I, I, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THIS ID UPDATE, UH, BEFORE WE WALKED INTO THIS MEETING.
UM, I THINK WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS IN A MEMO OVER EMAIL, AND I THINK IT WOULD'VE SAVED US ALL A LOT OF TIME EARLIER, AND WE WOULD'VE HAD A LITTLE MORE CLARITY SO THAT WE WOULD'VE BEEN PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THIS BETTER.
UM, SO I, I WOULD ASK, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN THAT WE ASK THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE SERVICE SITE TO COORDINATE WITH ID SO THAT WHEN THIS IS CONCLUDED, IF IT IS CONCLUDED BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, WE GET THAT UPDATE OVER EMAIL BEFORE WE COME IN HERE.
AS SOON AS SOON AS THIS IS CONCLUDED, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS.
SO IT'S BEING COMMUNICATED, UH, UH, WITH THE, THE OFFICE, IF YOU CAN BE IN TOUCH WITH, UH, IAD AND IF THERE IS ANY UPDATE TO THIS CASE, UH, WE ASK THAT THAT'S COMMUNICATED TO THE BOARD IF POSSIBLE.
AND SO, UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, CARRIED FORTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT MOTION NOW THAT THIS INFORMATION HAS COME OUT.
UH, IS THIS ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE MOTION? YES, SIR.
'CAUSE WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, UH, HOW ARE WE GONNA AMEND IT? WE STATE SAY THE SAME.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I DON'T WANT TO AMEND NOTHING.
WE JUST MOVED FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA AMEND ANYTHING.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN OVER A LONG TIME AGO.
I, I APPRECIATE MAJOR ALANISE.
I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS BEFORE WE CAME IN HERE, BUT WE DIDN'T.
SO NO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT AMEND ANYTHING.
DERRICK GRAM, DISTRICT SIX, PLEASE.
ONCE AGAIN, I'M NEW TO THIS, I'M FIGURING IT OUT, BUT I CAN SEE REAL CLEAR IF THIS WAS ALREADY UPDATED WITH MAJOR.
AND WE GET THIS LETTER FROM FEBRUARY 7TH ABOUT SOMETHING SHE ALMOST VERBATIM SAID A MONTH EARLIER.
IT ONLY SPEAKS, AND THIS IS MY OPINION STRONGLY, AND I HAVE IT OF THE DISDAIN FOR THE BOARD.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES, CHAIR.
UM, THIS ONE YEAR GOAL FOR A RESOLUTION OF AN IED CASE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME JUST FROM MAJOR ALANIS'S MOUTH THAT WE'RE HEARING OF, THAT WE HAVE ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER WHAT IS THE TIMELINE.
AND WE GET THIS ONE PAGE LETTER THAT DOES NOT EVEN SAY ONE YEAR IS OUR GOAL.
WE HAVE ASKED, WE HAVE ASKED FOR NINE MONTHS.
WE HAVE GOTTEN, OR FOR SEVEN MONTHS, AND WE HAVE GOTTEN NOTHING.
AND EVIDENTLY NOW THERE'S AN ANSWER THAT WE JUST DIDN'T GET.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR TO RESPOND? UH, YES, SIR.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS COME UP.
I DO BELIEVE THAT I HAVE MENTIONED MY DEADLINE HERE WITH ONE YEAR FOR A CASE.
UM, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS
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PART OF, UM, CHIEF GARCIA'S TRANSPARENCY, UH, STEPS THAT HE HAS TAKEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT.HE ALSO PRESENTED THAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
I BELIEVE IT WAS INCLUDED IN A POWERPOINT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH I ALSO HANDED OVER, UH, EMAIL, EXCUSE ME.
I EMAILED OVER TO, UM, THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE AS WELL AS THE, THE INTERIM CHAIR AT THE TIME.
SO, UM, AND THIS, THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED SOME TIME AGO BY CHIEF GARCIA.
IF, IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO, UM, IF, IF I MAY, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, I'LL ASK YOU TO GO BACK AND REVIEW SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS STARTING IN AUGUST WHEN ALL OF THIS STARTED.
I BELIEVE SHE HAS SAID ONCE OR TWICE DURING THOSE MEETINGS THAT THIS MAY TAKE UP TO A YEAR THAT, THAT THEY HAVE THAT KIND OF, UM, TIMEFRAME THAT, THAT IT'S NOT SETTLED.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, JUST GO BACK AND REVIEW IT.
AND I MAY BE TOTALLY WRONG, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE I HEARD IT.
AND OF COURSE, I, I SURE DIDN'T GET APPOINTED UNTIL OCTOBER, SO I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE HEARD THAT.
LET ME ALSO, UM, YES, THIS IS DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
I THINK THIS HAS TAKEN LONGER THAN IT SHOULD.
BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, UH, UM, THIS CAME IN AUGUST.
DO I THINK IT'S TAKEN TOO LONG? YES, BUT I THINK WE'RE THROWING AROUND MONTHS THAT ARE NOT THERE.
UH, AND IT APPEARS TO ME THAT, BUT FOR A COUPLE OF GLITCHES HERE, ONE OF WHICH IS THE FMLA AND ANOTHER ONE THAT I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO RIGHT NOW, WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE HAD THIS RESOLVED BY NOW.
SO AGAIN, IT'S TAKEN TOO LONG.
UH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT, UH, I, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, AND AGAIN, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE THEIR SAY IN DUE PROCESS, AND IN PARTICULAR, MR. LANE, HE DESERVES IT.
AND TO ME AT LEAST LOOKING AT THAT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE THAT DIFFICULT AN INVESTIGATION.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I'M ALL FOR DUE PROCESS AND LET'S GIVE IT A CHANCE.
I THINK WE CAN OVERREACT TO SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SO, UH, I THINK WE ALL ARE JUST, I, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, WE MAY BE DISCUSSING THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO, UH, MR. CHAIR, WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE CONTINUE WITH THE, THE MOTION MI MR. HIGGINS HAS HIS HAND UP.
MR. MR. HIGGINS, WHAT ARE YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH, SO, UM, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, VICE CHAIR IS WRIGHT.
UH, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE IN MY FIRST BOARD MEETING, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE PROCESS WAS A YEAR.
AND I QUESTIONED AT THAT TIME, NOT TO MAJOR ALANISE, BUT WHEN I HEARD IT, I QUESTIONED, UH, THE LENGTH OF IT, BECAUSE I, UNDER THE, THE, THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, I KNEW IT WAS SHORTER.
UM, SO, UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOOD MEMORY ON THAT, BUT THERE, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T, SEEMS LIKE WE GOT A BIT OF AMNESIA ABOUT.
WE MADE A MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, UH, TO, UH, REQUEST THAT IAD COME BEFORE US AND GIVE US, NUMBER ONE TO GET US THE SOP OF THEIR IID PROCEDURE, THE GENERAL ORDERS, WHICH WE CAN SEE THE GENERAL ORDERS, BUT THE SOP AND ALSO TO COME GIVE US A PRESENTATION, BECAUSE EVERY MEETING WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS PROCESS.
AND WE'VE BEEN TOLD WE CAN COME OVER TO THE, UH, TO THE, TO HEADQUARTERS AND VIEW THAT PROCESS.
BUT I THINK THAT IT SENDS A BIG STATEMENT OF TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNITY POLICING AND CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, AND 21ST CENTURY POLICING IF OUR POLICE CHIEF OR HIS STAFF WOULD COME AND GIVE US THE INFORMATION THAT WE REQUESTED OF THEM, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, COME AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION AND BREAK IT ALL DOWN SO THAT IT'S ON RECORD FOR THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST US TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WILL, UH, UH, WHEN I, NEXT TIME I SPEAK WITH MAJOR ESE AND THE CHIEF, UH, MENTIONED THAT THAT POSSIBILITY ABOUT THEM COMING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HEAR FROM THEM, UH, AND LEARN AS A BOARD ABOUT THE PROCESSES AND, UH, THE PROCEDURES SO WE CAN BE VERY EDUCATED.
SO WE WANNA CONTINUE THE MEETING.
UH, MR. MAPLES, WE HAVE THAT MOTION THAT PASSED.
AND I, I'M HEARING FROM THE BOARD THAT WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO WITH WITH RESPECT, UH, JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT DATE, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THAT LETTER, AND MY SECOND OF IT, I MAINTAIN THAT SECOND OF THAT, UH, LETTER, UM, IF IT'S NECESSARY, ALTHOUGH YOU
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MAY WANT TO MASSAGE THE PHRASEOLOGY IN THE LETTER TO MAKE IT CLEAR, AS HAS BEEN NOW REPORTED TO US BY MAJOR ALLEN, I DON'T WANT US, US TO BE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WE KNOW NOW ARE NOT ACCURATE.UM, AGAIN, MAJOR ALLEN EAST GAVE US INFORMATION I WISH WE'D HAD BEFORE THE MEETING OR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK OUR MOTION IN OUR LETTER SHOULD GO FORWARD TO THE CITY MANAGER IS SHE SAID THAT THE NEXT THING WOULD BE ASSISTANT CHIEF FOLEY WOULD REVIEW IT AND PERHAPS DECIDE IF THERE SHOULD BE A DISCIPLINARY HEARING OR NOT.
MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS NO TIMEFRAME.
WE DON'T GET ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS IS GONNA TAKE TWO WEEKS, ONE WEEK, THREE DAYS A MONTH.
AND THAT MAKES THIS BOARD UNEFFECTIVE.
YOUR COMMENTS, UH, MR. MR, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MR. MAPLES? UM, SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO EVERYONE FROM THE BOARD, I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF OUR OPINIONS ARE ROUGHLY THE SAME ABOUT HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THIS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S REMEMBER THAT ALL OF THIS WAS CAUGHT ON TAPE, AND LET'S REMEMBER THAT THIS ALSO WAS A NO INVESTIGATION, AS IF IT WASN'T CAUGHT ON TAPE.
SO LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND, A A AS WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
BECAUSE INITIALLY THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION, BUT BOY, WHEN THAT VIDEO SURFACED ON YOUTUBE, OH MY GOD, IT CHANGED THINGS.
SO, UH, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD EXACTLY THE WAY WE WANT 'EM, AND, AND SEND THAT LETTER AND, UH, UH, GOD HOPE THAT, UH, WE GET THIS, THIS DONE FOR THIS YOUNG MAN, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF OUR DISABLED VETERANS, NOT JUST ANYBODY.
UM, I WANNA GO BACK TO, UH, ITEM TWO.
UH, SORRY, THREE, UH, TWO, THREE A ITEM TWO, UH, WITH, WHERE, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MEETING WITH THE DPD CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND CHIEF GARCIA, AND WE ALREADY LEFT OFF, IS THAT, UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT CHIEF GARCIA IS PLANNING TO COME TO OUR MARCH MEETING.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT STATEMENT THAT THE ONLY REASON HE DID NOT COME TO THIS MEETING IS BECAUSE HE HAD, UM, PRIOR TRAINING SCHEDULED, OTHERWISE HE WOULD'VE COME TO THIS MEETING.
BUT HE DID, UH, COMMIT TO COMING IN MARCH, ALONG WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT.
SO, UH, CHIEF GARCIA AND THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT WILL COME TO THE MEETING IN MARCH.
DO, ARE THEY PLANNING TO GIVE A PRESENTATION, A REPORT? UH, WHAT'S, WHAT IS, UH, THEIR INTENT HERE AT THE MEETING? CORRECT.
UM, THE INTENT WILL BE TO GIVE A REPORT OUT ON THE PURPOSE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND ITS FUNCTION.
UM, AND IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT THEY GAVE TO THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.
BOARD, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, UH, ADDRESSED TO THE INTERIM DIRECTOR ABOUT THIS ITEM? YES, DIRECTOR? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO YOU SAID IT WAS, THIS PRESENTATION WAS ALREADY GIVEN TO THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.
SO IT'S OUT THERE, THIS PRESENTATION IS ALREADY OUT THERE.
IS THERE SOMEWHERE WE CAN GO SO WE CAN WATCH IT PREVIOUS TO THEIR PRESENTATION? YES.
UM, IT SHOULD BE PUBLIC, UM, FOR THE DECEMBER PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING, DECEMBER, CORRECT.
AND I WOULD SAY THE BENEFIT OF THEM COMING TO THE MEETING WOULD ALLOW YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AFTER REVIEWING THE PRESENTATION.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, MR. MAPLES.
SO THIS MEETING IS ALREADY HAP IT'S, UH, IT'S ONLINE.
IF YOU WANNA GET AHEAD OF THE GAME AND LOOK AT IT.
IF YOU GO ONLINE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, WEBSITE, GO TO PAST MEETINGS, AND IT'S UNDER THE, UH, DECEMBER MEETING OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
SO LET IT, LET THAT BE, UH, ON THE RECORD TO KNOW THAT THAT'S THERE.
IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET A, UH, UH, A PREVIEW OF WHAT WE SHALL RECEIVE, UM, ON THE, IN THE MARCH MEETING.
MR. CHAIR, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? UM, I HEARD MAJOR ALANIS SAY THAT A COPY OF THE POWERPOINTS FOR THAT WERE SENT TO THE, UH, INTERIM DIRECTOR.
IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SHE WAS REFERRING TO A DIFFERENT POWERPOINT, AND IT WAS POSTED TO THE O UM, THE CPOB BOARD, UH, SHAREPOINT, THAT THING AGAIN,
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS ITEM? ON THE AGENDA?
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YES.UM, COULD YOU DISTRIBUTE THAT TO US? SURE.
ARE YOU SPEAKING, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, THE LINK TO THE, THE, THE PRESENTATION? I'D RATHER HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
WELL, WE'LL MOVE ON AT THIS POINT TO, UH, THREE, THREE, UH, MY NUMBERS ARE ALL MESSED UP, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE
BUT, UH, ITEM THREE ON MINE, IT SAYS, A-C-P-O-P VICE CHAIR AND OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE DPD CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THAT, UH, VICE CHAIR, REVIS AND INTERIM DIRECTOR MET WITH, UH, CHIEF POLICE GARCIA.
UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES CPOB, VICE CHAIRMAN REVIS, UH, AND THE OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER, TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD ABOUT THAT MEETING.
UM, AS YOU SAID, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND I MET WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE LAST MONTH.
ONE OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WAS THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, UM, THAT IS NOT IN PLAY RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THEY'VE, UM, THEY'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT ANY KIND OF, UM, UM, SENSITIVE INFORMATION, UH, POSSIBLY EVEN HIPAA RELATED INFORMATION THAT'S COLLECTED IN AN EARLY WARNING SYSTEM THAT WOULD AFFECT A POLICE OFFICER OR, UM, UH, PRECLUDE THEM FROM, OR DISSUADE THEM FROM MAYBE SEEKING MENTAL HEALTH HELP.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, REPORTING ON THE, ON THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, I KNOW THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
I DID ASK HIM TO COME IN, UM, TO TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT HE IS, UH, AND DIRECTOR, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I KNOW THAT HE WAS, HE WAS WILLING TO DO THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA AGREE THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY HAVE A TIMELINE YET, SO, SO WE, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM, AND THEN WE SPOKE ABOUT, UM, UH, I THINK YOU BROUGHT SOMETHING UP.
UM, I MENTIONED, I THINK, IS IT THE STATE OF NEW YORK THAT INSTITUTED A NEW POLICY FOR, UM, DOCUMENTING CONTACTS WITH, UM, EVERYONE THAT THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH? MM-HMM.
AND SO THE, UM, THERE'S CONTROVERSY IN NEW YORK ABOUT, UM, THE TIME, THE EXTRA TIME THAT IT TAKES OFFICERS TO DOCUMENT THE CONTACT, BUT IT DOES SHOW A BIGGER PICTURE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT COMMUNITIES GO THROUGH.
NOT JUST AN ARREST, BUT ACTUAL CONTACTS.
AND THEN ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE DISCUSSED WAS, UM, I ACTUALLY EXTENDED AN INVITE TO THE, TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO COME TO OUR BOARD MEETINGS.
AND THAT INCLUDES IAD UM, THE CHIEF RESPONDED, UM, FAVORABLY.
HE IS, HE'S GOING TO START AROUND PROBABLY THE MARCH TIMEFRAME.
HE'S GONNA START COMING TO OUR MEETINGS, UM, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO, UM, AND, AND HE SAID HE WASN'T GONNA COME TO, UH, BRIEF OUR BOARD.
HE SAID HE WASN'T COMING HERE TO ASK ANSWER QUESTIONS, PER SE.
HE WAS COMING TO OBSERVE HOW WE, HOW WE TALK TO HIS, HIS, UH, HIS REPRESENTATIVES WHEN THEY COME ON HERE.
UM, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF TIGHTEN THE LINES, UH, ON HOW WE ARE ENGAGING WITH OUR, UM, WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES FROM DPD.
BECAUSE WHAT THAT'S DOING IS OUR BOARD DECORUM NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY AFFECTS US, LIKE WE NEED TO BE, UH, CORDIAL AND POLITE TO ONE ANOTHER, THAT ALSO INCLUDES DPD BECAUSE THEY'RE CITY EMPLOYEES.
AND SO WE SHOULDN'T BE, UH, WE, WE JUST NEED TO, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WE SAY, IT'S ABOUT HOW WE SAY IT.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING THAT SO THAT HE GETS A WARM AND FUZZY, SO TO SPEAK, THAT, UH, TO BE ABLE TO SEND HIS PEOPLE HERE AND KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE TREATED WITH RESPECT, UM, BEFORE THEY, UH, COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, EMOTIONS TAKE OVER.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WATCHING OUR EMOTIONS AND HE WANTS TO DO THAT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IT.
VICE CHAIR, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ADDRESSED TO, UH, VICE CHAIR RIVAS OR OCPO? OH, YES.
UH, AND I THINK YOUR VIDEO, UH, WENT OUT AGAIN.
UH, I DUNNO IF THAT'S JUST 'CAUSE YOU'RE DRIVING, BUT, UH, IS IT, IS IT, IS IT ON BY CHANCE?
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YES.UH, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION, BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT DECORUM, UM, CHAIRMAN REVIS, VICE CHAIR REVIS, I, I DON'T HEAR, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE OR SAID THAT IS OUT OF LINE WITH THIS BOARD IT, THAT WE NEED TO EVEN BE DISCUSSING, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ACTING PROPERLY WHEN IT'S TIME TO TALK TO, UH, CHIEF GARCIA.
UM, I THINK THAT FOR SO LONG, I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS ENDEMIC OF WHAT HAS BEEN UNDER THE SURFACE WITH THIS BOARD FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I KNOW I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR FOUR BOARD MEETINGS, BUT BEFORE THAT I'VE MONITORED AND WATCHED THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND IT'S, IT IS THE, THE FRUSTRATION OF NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THINGS DONE AND DONELLE LANE IS JUST THE CRITICAL POINT IN THAT.
AND I THINK OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WOULD AGREE IN THAT.
AND SO, UM, IT IS AN ATTITUDE, IT IS A NOW HISTORICAL, UH, PATTERN THAT OUR POLICE, CHIEF CHIEF HAS HAD AND HOW HE'S HANDLING HIS BOARD.
AND IT'S TO NOT GIVE US AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE UNTIL NECESSARY.
AND WHEN HE DOES COME TO SPEAK TO US, INSTEAD OF COMING TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BLOWING UP IN THE MEDIA AND HAVE BEEN GETTING NATIONAL ATTENTION, HE WANTS TO COME TALK ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL POLICE.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE THAT HAS BEEN SAID OR DONE.
I'D LIKE TO GO ON RECORD BY SAYING THAT THAT IS OUT OF THE QUORUM THAT HAS HAPPENED TODAY, UM, THIS BOARD SHOULD RIGHTFULLY BE, UH, FRUSTRATED AND TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS NOW TO BE ABLE TO PUT PRESSURE ON, UH, OUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO THE JOB WE WERE SET FORTH TO DO FOR THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.
AND, HEY, THANK YOU, MR. MR. HIGGINS.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I WANT YOU TO ALSO, I WANT OUR BOARD TO UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT WE, IT, IT'S CLEAR WE'VE BEEN FRUSTRATED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
UH, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN, THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED AND DISPLAYED.
UM, AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? UM, THERE ARE SOME OF US HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE MAKE OUR OWN PERCEPTIONS OF WHAT IS, OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR NOT DOING, THEN WE, THEN WE MAKE, YOU KNOW, CLAIMS MAYBE, UM, OR, UM, INNUENDO THAT SOMETHING ISN'T HAPPENING OR IT, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T, UM, SO OUR PERCEPTION WITH, WITH HIM AND OR WITH THE DEPARTMENT IS THAT WE ARE, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE OUT LOOKING, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT WE'RE NOT TREATING EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT.
AND THAT'S PART, THAT'S PARTLY MY FAULT FOR NOT, UM, FOR NOT JERKING THE CHAIN WHEN, UH, IN EARLIER MEETINGS WHEN, WHEN WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT.
UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE EMOTIONAL ASPECT OF THIS, OF THIS CASE, AND I GET IT.
UM, ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT THEY PERCEIVE, THEY PERCEIVE THIS BOARD A CERTAIN WAY AND JUST AS WE PERCEIVE THEIR RESPONSE OR NON-RESPONSE A CERTAIN WAY AS WELL.
AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST PASSING.
ALL I'M ASKING AND WHAT THE CHIEF IS ASKING AS WELL, IS THAT WE JUST BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SPEAK WITH RESPECT AND, UH, WHEN WE'RE, UH, ENGAGING WITH HIS, WITH HIS PERSONNEL, JUST AS WE WOULD EXPECT HIM TO DO THE SAME AND, AND HIS PERSONNEL.
I DID HAVE ONE OTHER, UM, I DID MENTION THE RIGHTCARE PROGRAM, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE LAST MEETING.
AND, UM, THE RIGHTCARE PROGRAM IS RUN BY THE INTEGRATED, UH, THE OFFICE OF INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS, IPSF OR IPFS OR SOMETHING.
UM, IN ANY CASE, UH, THE CHIEF ACTUALLY WILL SEND, UM, WILL COME ALONG WITH, UM, UH, CHIEF GRIFFITH TO BRIEF OUR BOARD ON THE RIGHT CARE, WHAT IT'S DOING, WHERE IT'S GOING, UM, AND THEN WHAT WE COULD DO IS BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM HIM AND THE W RIGHT CARE TEAM, WE CAN ADVOCATE FOR ADDITIONAL HELP FOR THAT PROGRAM THAT'S ALSO HELPING OUR RESIDENTS.
AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS, UH, THE CHIEF WILL COME AND SHARE ABOUT THE W RIGHT.
CARE PROGRAM AS WELL AT SOME POINT? CORRECT.
MR. CHAIR, ANY QUESTIONS TO VICE CHAIR RIVAS ABOUT, UH, THIS ITEM? YES, I, I HAVE A QUESTION.
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I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU INSINUATED ABOUT JERKING THE CHAIN, UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT AT MY AGE, I WILL SPEAK MY MIND AND WHERE IT GOING? NO ONE HAS PERMISSION TO HOLD ME BACK, IF I MAY.WE'LL, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE GOOD LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLS JUST FOR YOU, SIR.
YEAH, NO, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT, IT'S NOT WHAT WE SAY, IT'S JUST HOW WE SAY IT.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE, WE JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
THAT'S ALL HIS, THAT'S THE MAJOR CONCERN.
IT, I, I DON'T SUPPOSE THAT I REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN BREACHES OF DECORUM, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN PLENTY OF MEETINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THIS ROOM.
AND OURS IS PRETTY CHILL, HONESTLY.
AND FRANKLY, THIS IS NOT REALLY, UM, CALM MATERIAL THAT WE DEAL WITH.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT IT.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NAME CALLING.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONING OF PEOPLE'S MOTIVES.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE OUT OF DECORUM.
I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE UPSET, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET A MEETING WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T UPSET.
'CAUSE THE WHOLE TOPIC HERE IS PEOPLE GETTING UPSET.
AND I UNDERSTAND MAJOR ALLEN'S, THIS MIGHT BE A STRESSFUL MEETING FOR HER, BUT FRANKLY, SHE'S KIND OF BEEN LEFT OUT TO TWITCH GENERAL.
I'M TRYING TO NEW TO EVERYBODY HERE.
WELL, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, UM, BUT SHE'S KIND OF BEEN LEFT OUT TO TWIST.
I MEAN, SHE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT SHE CAN SAY, AND IT'S JUST KIND OF PART OF HER POSITION.
IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY LIKE THE CHIEF OR SOMEBODY WHO CAN SPEAK TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING, IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER AND, AND WOULD BE LESS STRESSFUL FOR FOLKS IN HER POSITION.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A MEETING WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT'S TREATING THEM.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, AND I WANNA THANK YOU VICE CHAIR RIVAS FOR UPDATING US ABOUT THIS EARLY WARNING SYSTEM.
AS SOME OF YOU REMEMBER LAST SUMMER, THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS THAT AN INTERVIEW WITH THE CHIEF, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS QUESTIONED ON 21ST CENTURY POLICING, WAS ABOUT THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS SPENT MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUY THAT SOFTWARE BACK IN 2019.
THE SOFTWARE HAS BEEN SITTING THERE.
THE INITIAL THING WE HEARD, OH, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR OR TWO AGO, WAS THAT BECAUSE OF COVID, IT HAD BEEN PUT ON A BACK BURNER TO GET IMPLEMENTED, AND THERE WAS A COVID DELAY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HEAR ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF THE COVID PANDEMIC.
HOWEVER, ALL THAT'S BEHIND US.
AND WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS THE SAME THING I'M INTERESTED IN ON OUR PREVIOUS CASE, IS WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME? BECAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING IS ABOUT NOT, NOT LISTENING TO AN ANSWER THAT SAYS, UH, WE'RE WORKING ON IT, OR IT'S ON OUR AGENDA.
TELL ME WHAT YOUR TIMEFRAME IS.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, WHEN TO FOLLOW UP.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL OUR CONSTITUENTS.
THE PEOPLE IN OUR DISTRICT WE REPORT TO WHEN THEY ASK US, WELL, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. WALKWORTH.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL HAVE TO ASK, WE'LL GET TO ASK HIM THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY.
UH, I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT QUESTION ON, ON.
I, I WOULD SAY YOU AND OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR AT YOUR MONTHLY MEETING, FIND OUT WHEN HE COMES TO SEE US IN MARCH, GIVE US A TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN EARLY WARNING SYSTEM IS GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN PURCHASED IN 2019.
AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CITY OF SAN DIEGO HAS BEEN OPERATING THIS SYSTEM FOR MANY YEARS.
AND IF THEY HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH, UH, HIPAA INFORMATION OR SOMETHING ELSE, WE COULD PROBABLY GET SOME DIRECTION FROM THEM.
SO ARE WE REACHING OUT TO THESE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT USE THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM AND GATHER THEIR INFORMATION TO MAKE OUR IMPLEMENTATION QUICKER AND MORE THOROUGH? THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, DO AND VICE CHAIRMAN
I, I, YES, I HAVE, UH, MR. MAPLES.
I HAVE, UH, WELL, I GOT A STATEMENT ABOUT THE QUORUM.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
EVERYTHING WE TALK ABOUT IN HERE IS PASSIONATE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU FILE A COMPLAINT, YOU ARE ALREADY MAD ABOUT SOMETHING,
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AND THEN YOU'RE TAKING YOUR COMPLAINT TO A BOARD THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO HELP YOU GET AN ANSWER ABOUT WHY SOMETHING HAPPENED TO YOU.SO, I KNOW YOU CAN HEAR THE PASSION IN MY VOICE.
MY CHILDREN TELL ME ALL THE TIME, EXCEPT I'M DROPPING OTHER WORDS IN THERE, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I'M PASSIONATE.
UM, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS GOT A MEETING WITH, WITH THE CHIEF.
HOW LONG, HOW LONG DOES A CHIEF USUALLY GIVE YOU GUYS FOR A MEETING? AN HOUR, 45 MINUTES.
I WOULD SAY WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING THAT WAS ALMOST THREE HOURS.
SO THIS LAST MEETING WAS ALMOST THREE HOURS? NO, NOT THE LAST MEETING.
THE LAST MEETING WAS WHAT, AN HOUR? YEAH.
AND YOU TALKED ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS, BUT DID YOU TALK ABOUT THE LANE CASE? DID IT EVER COME UP? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG PRESSING THING SITTING ON HIS DESK.
DID IT EVER COME UP? YES, THAT WAS THE VERY FIRST THING I MENTIONED WAS DID HE RECEIVE THE MEMO? OKAY.
YOU ASKED HIM DID HE RECEIVE THE MEMO? YES.
AND HE SAID HE HAD, HE HAD JUST RESPONDED, I BELIEVE IT WAS THAT DAY.
AND SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL THEN WE WILL, I'LL SEE IT.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DIRECTOR.
DO YOU HAVE MEETINGS WITH, UM, UM, THIS, THE CITY MANAGER? I DO ON OCCASION, NOT A REGULARLY SCHEDULED.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO PUT THAT ON YOUR AGENDA TO HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO NOT HEAR BACK FROM ANYONE, AND MAYBE IF HE UNDERSTANDS THE STATUS.
AND, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF IT, IF IT YOU'RE AVAILABLE, COULD YOU ACCOMPANY HER TO THOSE MEETINGS? UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR BOARD WERE GOVERNED BY THE CITY MANAGER, AND WE HAD NO INPUT, NO HEARING, NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHY.
SO MAYBE WE NEED TO, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION, DULY NOTED.
UH, CAN'T, CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S SCHEDULE, BUT WE WILL ATTEMPT, UH, TO PURSUE THAT.
AND, UH, WE'LL LET THE BOARD KNOW THE PROGRESS OF THAT.
ANY OTHER, ANY, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ADDRESSED TO, UH, VICE CHAIR RIVAS ABOUT HIS MEETING WITH THE POLICE CHIEF? WE'RE GOOD.
THEN WE'LL MOVE ON, UH, TO, UH, ITEM THREE A FOUR.
AND JUST A REMINDER TO THE BOARD, UH, IF YOU DO SPEAK, UH, IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR DISTRICT PRIOR TO YOUR COMMENTS, JUST BECAUSE, UH, THIS MEETING IS TRANSCRIBED.
AND SO IF YOU WANT CREDIT FOR THE GREAT THINGS THAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST TO MAYBE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, YOUR DISTRICT BEFORE YOUR COMMENTS.
SO, ITEM, UH, THREE A FOUR AS A DPD, CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA.
RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD REQUEST FOR THE REVISION OF GENERAL ORDER SECTION 5 0 5 0.01.
AND, UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE CPOB VICE CHAIR RIVAS TO SHARE ABOUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
UH, THIS, HAVE ALL OF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE, THE MEMO WE GOT BACK FROM THE CHIEF? MM-HMM?
'CAUSE I, I DON'T WANNA READ IT TO YOU.
YOU'RE ALL, YOU GUYS GOT THAT, UM, ARE, SO I'LL JUST, IF THEY'VE READ IT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR A QUESTION.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS MEMO THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED TO, UH, VICE CHAIR REVIS? OKAY, MR. VICE CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, I SEE THIS IS DATED JANUARY 22ND.
DID YOU, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH ANY RESPONSE TO THIS? BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, I'M SORRY, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, UM, IN MY OPINION, HOW CAN I PUT THIS DELICATELY? UM, RESPECT IS A TWO-WAY STREET, AND THIS PARTICULAR, UH, MEMO, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS MEMO SHOWS, IN MY OPINION, AND I DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY ANYMORE EITHER, UM, IN MY OPINION, IT SHOWS DISRESPECT.
BASICALLY SAYING, WHILE I APPRECIATE YOUR RECOMMENDATION, KEEP ON WALKING.
AND, UH, SO DID YOU HAVE A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND IN ANY WAY TO THIS? NO, I DID NOT.
BECAUSE THIS MEMO, I DIDN'T RECEIVE THIS MEMO UNTIL AFTER OUR MEETING.
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SO IT WAS A, IT WAS A VERY, IT WAS A VERY POLITE RESPONSE.UM, SO WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT, UM, WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF.
HE FEELS THAT THE SYSTEMS HE HAS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW ARE ADEQUATE.
OKAY? THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS GETS, WHAT, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS IF WE END UP WITH AN EVENT OR AN INCIDENT WHERE THIS MEMO COULD HAVE HELPED, THEN WE CAN EASILY RESURRECT THIS MEMO FOR RECONSIDERATION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THAT IS WHY YES, IT DOES.
SO WE, WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND HE EITHER, HE EITHER BUYS OFF ON IT OR HE DOESN'T.
RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE AN INCIDENT TO REALLY APPLY THIS TO, WHICH IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE DIAMOND ROSS CASE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WITH THE DIAMOND ROSS CASE, THERE WAS AN EVENT, IT WENT, IT WENT THE WRONG WAY, AND WE SUBMITTED A RECOMMENDATION TO CORRECT IT.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, SO FAR HASN'T HAPPENED AGAIN, HOWEVER, SO I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DID.
OUR DUTY, HE'S, HE'S DOING HIS, HE FEELS HE'S GOT A, A SYSTEM IN PLACE.
SO, UM, UNTIL THAT IS PROVEN, OTHERWISE, WE AT LEAST HAVE IT ON THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE ASKED.
CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? YES, MR. FRIEDMAN.
SO, I, I THINK WHEN THE POLICE CHIEF SENDS A MEMO LIKE THIS, E EITHER, EITHER WE'RE SATISFIED WITH THE RESPONSE OR WE'RE NOT.
AND IF WE'RE SATISFIED, THEN THAT'S IT.
IF WE'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESPONSE WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE CHIEF POLICE, THEN WE NEED TO ESCALATE IT.
WE NEED TO SEND A VERY SIMILAR LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL EVERY TIME.
IF WE GET A RESPONSE FROM THE POLICE CHIEF, IF WE'RE NOT SATISFIED, THEN WE NEED TO MOVE UP.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, IF WE'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH THIS, THEN I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE, WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
VICE CHAIR RIVAS, UH, JOSE RIVAS, DISTRICT SEVEN.
I JUST, I ALSO WANT TO ADD, UH, TO THAT IS THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.
SO IF WE FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT IT GOES TO THE CITY MANAGER, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
UM, BUT I DID NOT RESPOND TO THE CHIEF ON THIS LETTER BECAUSE I WOULD'VE BEEN OUTSIDE OF MY AUTHORITY TO DO SO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE JOB OF THIS BOARD.
YOU GUYS SAY WHAT WE DO MAKE SENSE? SO, UM, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHERE THE BOARD IS LEANING, THEN ANY COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD, UH, ABOUT A RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER? ALISON ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE.
I FEEL LIKE A RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER SHOULD BE MADE.
I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD MAKE IT TO THE CITY MANAGER, BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD MAKE PERHAPS EVEN A SEPARATE RESPONSE TO THE POLICE CHIEF TO LET HIM UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON WHY THE DILL LANE RESPONSE LETTER, THE REASON WHY THIS RESPONSE LETTER, THE REASON WHY THEY'RE UNSATISFACTORY, IS THAT HE HAS NOT ENGAGED AT ALL WITH THE CONCERNS THAT WE BROUGHT.
I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN WE MADE A POLICY RECOMMENDATION, WHAT WE GOT BACK WAS A LETTER THAT SAYS, THANKS FOR YOUR LETTER.
WE HAVE GREAT POLICY, LOVE THE CHIEF.
AND, AND I THINK THAT IF, IF IN GOOD FAITH HE WANTED TO SAY, WE REALLY HAVE THIS COVERED, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
HE COULD HAVE SAID, HE COULD HAVE POINTED TO THE WAYS IN WHICH THE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY ADDRESSING THESE CONCERNS.
AND HE DIDN'T, AND HE DIDN'T IN THE PREVIOUS LETTER.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA EXCHANGE LETTERS LIKE THAT, THEN, YOU KNOW, I GOT BETTER STUFF TO DO WITH MY TUESDAYS.
RIGHT? SO I, I I BELIEVE IN MODELING GOOD BEHAVIOR.
LET'S SHOW THE, THE POLICE CHIEF WHAT AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO, I DON'T KNOW.
I, I THINK THAT I, WE CAN, WE SHOULDN'T JUST BE MEETING EVERY LETTER WITH INDIGNATION, ALTHOUGH THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO SHOW THE POLICE
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CHIEF THAT WE DO WANT TO WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE JUST SHOW 'EM WHAT A REAL RESPONSE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHY WE'RE UPSET.AND IT MAY SOUND OPTIMISTIC OR IT MAY JUST SEEM, I DON'T KNOW, CONDESCENDING, BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, I MEAN, IS TO SHOW HIM WHAT WE EXPECT.
FIRST OF ALL, I, I'M NOT, I I DON'T HAVE ANY INDIGNATION OVER HIS RESPONSE.
UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO RESPOND IN THE WAY HE DID.
UH, THEY HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE, LOTS OF EXPERTS WHO ARE LOOKING AT THIS.
IT'S NOT LIKE HE DISMISSED IT.
HE SAYS, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT IT, UH, EXPERTS, SO FORTH AND SO ON.
UM, AND SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A REASONABLE RESPONSE.
WE MAY DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I WOULD SAY IN A RESPONSE OTHER THAN THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE THOUGHT WHAT WE SUGGESTED WAS APPROPRIATE.
WE ASK YOU THINK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE DO, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY DENIAL OF SOMETHING WE ASK FOR REQUIRES AN INDIGNANT OR ANY KIND OF RESPONSE.
SO, UM, I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE HIS RESPONSE WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
WE MAY DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT I DON'T SEE IT BEING INAPPROPRIATE.
I, I DON'T THINK IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE EITHER.
I MEAN, HESS, WE WROTE A LETTER AND SAID WHAT WE WANTED TO SAY.
HE RESPONDED THE WAY HE WANTED TO RESPOND.
IT WAS ALL DONE PROFESSIONALLY.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, DO WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT? AND IF WE AGREE WITH IT, THAT THAT'S IT.
IF WE DON'T AGREE WITH HIS RESPONSE, THEN WE NEED TO ESCALATE IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO IMPOSE OUR WILL, UM, AS A BOARD.
UH, ARE THERE ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, REGARDING A RESPONSE OR A NON-RESPONSE, UH, TO THIS LETTER OF GPD, CHIEF BELIZE, UH, RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST FOR REVISION.
UH, IT DOESN'T APPEAR LIKE ANY MOTION WILL BE MADE A RESPONSE, UH, FOR THIS.
UM, WE AT THIS POINT, UH, CAN MOVE ON THEN, UH, UNLESS ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO, UH, ITEM THREE A, SORRY, THREE B, THREE B IN TURN, A MEMORANDUM, ITEM THREE B, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE OCPO INTERIM DIRECTOR ELAINE CHANDLER, UH, TO GIVE AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD ON THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE, THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE APPLICATION PROCESS IS STILL ONGOING.
APPLICATIONS ARE EXPECTED TO BE REVIEWED IN MARCH.
HOWEVER, TO DATE, WE HAVE HAD NO APPLICANTS.
UM, SO THE, UM, APPLICATION IS POSTED.
I DID SHARE THE APPLICATION LINK, UM, IN THE SHARED FOLDER AND THROUGH EMAIL.
SO IF YOU KNOW ANYONE THAT YOU THINK, OR ANY GROUPS, UM, THAT YOU THINK MAY BE APPROPRIATE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE.
IT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH SEVERAL OF THE POLICE ASSOCIATIONS.
UM, SO AGAIN, PLEASE SHARE ONE QUICK QUESTION, UH, IN INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
UM, WHAT TYPE OF SKILLSET, UM, CHARACTERISTICS WOULD BE IDEAL FOR SOMEONE, UH, IN THIS ROLE OF THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE? I BELIEVE, UH, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
UM, THEY CANNOT, OF COURSE, WORK FOR, UM, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OR FORMERLY WORK FOR DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, THEY CAN'T CURRENTLY BE ACTIVE IN THE CITY, UM, I'M SORRY, UM, IN DALLAS COUNTY.
UM, BUT THEY CAN BE FORMER, UH, DALLAS COUNTY, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, MAYBE CONSTABLES OR SOMETHING TO THAT NATURE.
AND THE APPLICATION'S ON THE OCPO WEBSITE? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
BUT WE CAN'T ADD IT THERE AS WELL.
SO JUST, UH, PUBLIC, JUST SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR, IF ANYONE KNOWS OF ANYONE THAT FITS THOSE QUALIFICATIONS, UH, TO SPREAD THE WORD TO APPLY.
UH, AND, UH, THE JOB DESCRIPTION APPLICATION IS ON THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, JOBS PAGE FOR THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE.
ANY FURTHER, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS THE OCPO INTERIM DIRECTOR REGARDING THIS MEMORANDUM IN THAT CASE? LET'S, UH, MOVE ON, UH, TO, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M SLOW IN, IN OH, YES, ASKING THE QUESTION.
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THE POSITION OF, UM, INVESTIGATOR, UM, THAT'S AN UPDATE.I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE FOR ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM WHERE THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE ONE MEMORANDUM ITEM THREE C UH, THIS IS THE COMPLAINT DATA DASHBOARD UPDATE, AND THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES OCPO INTERIM DIRECTORY LANE CHANDLER TO GIVE THE BOARD OF DIRECTOR THE BOARD AN UPDATE ON THIS ITEM.
THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT HAS CONTINUED, UM, WORKING WITH THE DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENT OFFICE.
UM, AND WE ANTICIPATE A PROJECT COMPLETION DATE, UM, IN MAY OF 2024.
SO THAT, UH, PROCESS, AGAIN IS ONGOING AND A COMPLETION DATE IN MAY IS EXPECTED.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS DIRECTED TO THE OCPO INTERIM DIRECTOR REGARDING THIS ITEM? UH, YES.
SO WHAT ARE, UH, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN GET SOME TYPE OF SPECIFICATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS FROM YOU ON WHAT WILL BE A PART OF THE DASHBOARD BEFORE IT'S, IT BECOMES, UH, BEFORE IT GOES LIVE? UM, FOR THE MOST PART, THAT INFORMATION IS LISTED IN THE MEMO.
IT BASICALLY IS DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.
AND THAT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION WILL ALSO BE, UM, CUMULATIVE INFORMATION THAT WILL AID IN THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE, UM, PRESENTED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
UM, SO IT COLLECTS DATA REGARDING EVERY COMPLAINT THAT WE RECEIVE, UM, THE RACE, UM, THE AGE, UM, THE ZIP CODE.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, BASICALLY IT WILL BE A HEAT, A HEAT MAP THAT WILL SHOW WHERE MOST OF THE CONTACT IS MADE, WHERE MOST OF THE ARRESTS OR COMPLAINTS I SHOULD SAY ARE COMING FROM.
AND, UM, DEMOGRAPHICS REGARDING THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE MAKING THE COMPLAINTS.
UH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE, A PROJECT IN CHICAGO, UM, THEIR COMPLAINT DASHBOARD? HAVE YOU, UM, SEEN THAT? UM, I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME TYPE OF INPUT INTO WHAT WILL BECOME THE DATA VISUALIZATIONS FROM THE DATA ON THE DASHBOARD.
UM, UH, I HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, WITH THE FORMER DIRECTOR ABOUT CREATING A DASHBOARD HERE.
AND I WOULD HATE FOR ALL OF THAT, THOSE CONVERSATIONS INSTITUTIONALLY TO JUST BE LOST ON WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON, UM, TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET TO THAT POINT INITIALLY, BUT THEY EVEN HAD, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THEIR HEAT MAP AND DISTRICTS, THEY HAD THE OFFICERS WHO WERE, WHO WERE THE SUBJECT OF THE COMPLAINTS, AND YOU COULD SEE THEIR STATS WITH THEIR FORCE.
YOU COULD SEE THE STATS WITH THE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS THEY HAD AND WHAT THE BOARD IN IED DECIDED WITH THOSE COMPLAINTS.
SO, UH, I'VE GOT A LOT OF IDEAS ABOUT THAT, HAVING A TECH BACKGROUND.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD USE THE DATA, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE AS WELL AND, AND GIVE YOU SOME INPUT INTO HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT MORE ROBUST FOR, UH, WELL THE CITY JUST TO, UM, BUILD ONTO THAT.
THE OUTCOMES IS PART OF THE DASHBOARD AS WELL, THE OUTCOME OF THE COMPLAINTS.
SO WILL WE, WILL WE, WE STILL OPEN? CAN WE ARRANGE
WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE THIS PATH, BUT I WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING MEETINGS AND WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH YOU WHAT OTHER IDEAS YOU HAVE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS DIRECTED? YES, SINCE MR. HIGGINS BROUGHT THE SUBJECT UP OUR SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, I THINK, UM, MS. CHANDLER, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU HAD THE TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE WORK WITH YOU.
AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UM, IN, IN MY SIX LONG DAYS AS THAT CHAIR
UH, 'CAUSE I WAS, I WAS TELLING VICE CHAIR VIS, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT COMMITTEE I'M ON, AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR, UH, A COUPLE YEARS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAYBE REACH OUT TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU DURING THIS MONTH, UH, TO, UH, RE MAKE SURE THAT IS, UH, EVERYONE HAS A, A SUBCOMMITTEE.
THEY'RE A PART OF, MAYBE REVISIT WHO THE CHAIRS ARE OF THESE SUBCOMMITTEES.
AND, AND, UM, I'D LOVE TO, TO WORK ALONGSIDE A INTERIM DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR, VICE VIS, TO TRY AND GET, GET THOSE BACK AND RUNNING.
SO, UM, AND THAT'D BE A GREAT EXCUSE ALSO TO KINDA HELP WITH THE DASHBOARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, DIRECTED TOWARDS THE OCPO INTERIM DIRECTOR ABOUT THIS ITEM
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IN THAT CASE? LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, MEMO ITEM 3D 3D.THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THE OFFICE OF CO COM, UM, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT HIRING.
SO THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR ELAINE CHANDLER, UH, TO GIVE THE BOARD AN UPDATE ON THE OCPO HIRING.
UM, THE POLICY ANALYST POSITION IS STILL OPEN.
WE HAVE CONCLUDED INTERVIEWS FOR THAT POSITION.
WE INTERVIEWED SIX CANDIDATES, AND WE WILL BE EXTENDING AN OFFER BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.
UM, SO THAT POSITION IS IN PROCESS OF BEING FILLED.
THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR POSITION IS STILL IN THE CALF PROCESS.
UM, YOU, UM, ASKED ABOUT THAT POSITION.
THERE IS A PROCESS TO CHANGING A POSITION.
UM, THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE POSITION THAT STARTED LAST YEAR, AND I AM ATTEMPTING TO RECTIFY THOSE ISSUES.
UM, THE POSITION IS IN THE FINAL STAGES AND SHOULD BE POSTED, I WOULD SAY, I HOPE WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
SO, UM, UM, MADAM DIRECTOR, I, I THINK WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS AND HIRING PEOPLE, AND I HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE HIRE HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR AN OVERSIGHT BOARD SO THAT WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SQUARE ONE WITH FOLKS THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I WOULD DIFFER WITH THAT OPINION THAT WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS BECAUSE WHEN I CAME INTO THE OFFICE, THERE WAS ONLY ONE EMPLOYEE, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE WITH ANOTHER, UM, CANDIDATE THAT IS GOING TO BE OFFERED, UM, A POSITION TO, AND THE EXPERIENCE OF THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
WE HAVE A, A, UM, ATTORNEY, WE HAVE A, BUT DOES HE HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN OVERSIGHT? AND OVERSIGHT IS NOT A, A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN, OR A PRACTICE THAT'S BEEN ALONG FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME EITHER.
SO THERE'S NOT A PLENTIFUL AMOUNT OF INDIVIDUALS WITH THAT SPECIFIC TALENT.
SO I, I DO AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT TALENT IF IT'S AVAILABLE.
UM, TO DATE, I HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED, UM, OR HAVE IDENTIFIED ONE CANDIDATE THAT CAME FROM FORT WORTH, UM, THAT WAS INTERVIEWED.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT ONE CANDIDATE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CANDIDATES THAT HAD PREVIOUS OVERSIGHT EXPERIENCE.
YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, WITHOUT THAT EXPERIENCE OR TRAINING, THEY'RE BLIND AND, AND THEY'RE SETTING US BACKWARDS BECAUSE INSTEAD OF HELPING US AS BOARD AND SUPPORTING US AS BOARD, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
ANY OTHER, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? OBJECTED, UH, ABOUT THE OCPO HIRING TOWARDS, UH, INTERIM DIRECTORY? ELAINE CHANDLER.
MR. CHAIR? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
YOU STILL, UH, HAVE TO CONTINUE MR. CHAIRMAN D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12.
UM, NUMBER ONE, THE CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYMENT APPLICATION ONLINE PROCESS LAUNCHES A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM TOMORROW.
AND WITH THAT WHOLE NEW SYSTEM, AS WE KNOW WITH ANY KIND OF NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM, THERE'S GONNA BE GLITCHES.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN IT SAYS THAT, UM, THE DIRECTOR POSITION CLOSES FEBRUARY 16TH, AND YOU SAY YOU'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE ALREADY CONSIDERING AN OFFER, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? NO, WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE ANALYST POSITION.
SO I WONDER IF THERE COULD BE SOME EXTENSION ON THESE DEADLINES BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S A NEW SYSTEM BEING IMPLEMENTED, UH, BY THE HR DEPARTMENT OF CITY OF DALLAS, AND WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT GLITCHES THEY'RE GONNA BE IN YOUR OFFICE, GETTING THESE NEW APPLICANTS IN, IN A TIMELY MANNER.
HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED? UH, WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, LOOKED AT SOME OF THE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE COME THROUGH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE CLOSING DATE TO SEE SOME OF THE CANDIDATES.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE SAW SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS, SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE A PROBLEM.
I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, CONFIRM THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE, BUT I DON'T.
BUT A LATE APPLICANT, SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS GOING IN FOR A POSITION THAT'S ABOUT TO CLOSE, LIKE FEBRUARY 16TH CLOSING MM-HMM.
IF SOMEONE WAS WAITING TO THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS TO APPLY, THEN I CAN SEE YOUR POINT THAT YEAH, THEY, THERE MIGHT BE, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A CONSIDERATION FOR SOME OF THESE DATES.
AND THE OTHER THING, UM, UH, ABOUT THE DIRECTOR POSITION, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.
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SO I WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING OUR FORMER DIRECTOR AND THREE CANDIDATES WERE BROUGHT IN AND WE MET WITH THEM AND, UM, ASKED THEM FOR SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR METHODOLOGY, THEIR IDEAS, UM, HOW THEY WOULD GO ABOUT DOING PROCESSING AND WHATEVER.AND I HAVE HEARD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, NOTHING FROM THE OFFICE REGARDING HOW WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT THIS PROCESS OF FINDING OUR NEW DIRECTOR.
SO I WOULD LIKE AN UPDATE ON SOME SPECIFICS ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVEN'T GOT, WELL, THAT WAS THE NEXT TOPIC WAS THE DIRECTOR POSITION AND THE RECRUITMENT.
AND WE DID DISCUSS, UM, THE DIRECTOR RECRUITMENT IN A PREVIOUS MEETING.
UM, WE MENTIONED THAT THERE WILL BE SEVERAL INTERVIEWS.
THE BOARD WILL BE PART OF THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS.
THERE WILL BE THREE BOARD MEMBERS SELECTED TO, UM, INTERVIEW THE CANDIDATES THAT ARE SELECTED AS WELL AS COMMUNITY.
UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WILL BE ALLOWED TO INTERACT WITH THAT CANDIDATE AS WELL.
AND THEN THERE WILL BE, UH, COMMUNITY ACTION GROUPS THAT WILL BE INVITED TO INTERVIEWS ALSO.
SO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS ALL OF US THAT WERE ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME DOWN TO CITY HALL TO THOSE MEETINGS WHEN THE CANDIDATE WAS BROUGHT IN AND MEET WITH THAT CANDIDATE AND ASK OUR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS INFORMALLY, WILL WE HAVE THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY? UM, I CAN'T CONFIRM, UM, WHAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THERE IS A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, PROCESS IN THE PROCESS.
AND SO I BELIEVE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS DURING THAT PROCESS.
AGAIN, THERE WILL BE THREE BOARD MEMBERS SELECTED TO ATTEND THE INTER THE INTERVIEWS, BUT THERE ALSO WILL BE A COMMUNITY MEET AND GREET AS WELL.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD ASK QUESTIONS DURING THAT PROCESS.
THIS WASN'T A COMMUNITY MEET AND GREET, IT WAS LIMITED TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, UM, COPD BOARD MEMBERS.
SO IT WAS JUST OUR GROUP THAT WAS ABLE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY WITH THE CANDIDATES, THE THREE CANDIDATES.
AND THEN WE ALL SENT OUR EMAIL FOLLOW UP, UH, ON HOW WE RANK THE CANDIDATES ONE, TWO, OR THREE, AND WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAD.
AND IF WE HAD ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE CITY MANAGER, WE WANTED HIM TO KNOW BEFORE, UM, HE EXTENDED AN OFFER.
AND THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL THAT ALL BOARD MEMBERS AT THAT TIME WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
I DON'T THINK A COMMUNITY FORMAT IS GONNA GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE IN DEPTH AND FIND OUT IN DEPTH THE PROCESS FOR THAT POTENTIAL DIRECTOR.
THREE PEOPLE FROM THIS BOARD IS NOT A THOROUGH REPRESENTATION, NOT FOR 15 PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
CAN WE CLOSE OUT ITEM 3D SO THAT WE CAN YEAH.
GET THIS IN THREE E? THAT'D BE GOOD.
AND I THINK YOU HADN'T FINISHED READING, UH, 3D YET, SO DO YOU WANNA FINISH DOING THAT OR DID YOU FINISH THAT? EXCUSE ME.
I, I, I DO HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE.
CAN SHE, CAN SHE FINISH READING HER, DO HER TO COMPLETE THE ENTIRE MEMO AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, LASTLY, LASTLY FOR 3D, UM, THE MEDIATION MANAGER POSITION HAS BEEN FILLED.
CHRISTOPHER CLARK STARTED HIS NEW ROLE IN JANUARY OF 2024, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME HIM.
WE'LL NOW OPEN UP, UH, ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, THIS PARTICULAR MEMO, UH, TO JUDGE, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT? UM, PARDON MY IGNORANCE, BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY IN THE CALF PROCESS? CLASSIFICATION ACTION FORM.
I HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND.
SO IT'S A PROCESS IN RECLASSIFICATION OF A POSITION.
SO THIS PARTICULAR POSITION HAS TO BE RECLASSIFIED AND THEN POSTED FOR RECRUIT FOR RECRUITMENT.
AND YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THAT'LL BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS? YES.
RECLASSIFICATION IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, IT'S, THE PROCESS STARTED IN OCTO IN OCTOBER.
SO I DO, AND I RECEIVED AN UPDATE THAT IT WAS IN THE FINAL STAGES.
SO BASED OFF OF THAT UPDATE, I'M HOPING THAT WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS I'LL BE ABLE TO POST THE POSITION AND MOVE FORWARD.
MS. CHANDLER, I HAVE A QUESTION TOO.
UH, REGARDING THE PROCESS, A LOT OF THESE DECISIONS I WOULD IMAGINE, DO, DO YOU, ARE YOU, DO YOU IN THE OFFICE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS? OR AS FAR AS THE PRO PROCEDURE AND PROCESS, IS THAT DICTATED BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE? WHEN YOU SAY PROCESSES, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? WELL, SPECIFICALLY WHAT, WHAT MS. WADWORTH WAS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE PROCESS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
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OH, FOR THE, THE DIRECTOR POSITION SPECIFIC? YEAH.WELL, I THINK FOR ALL OF THEM TOO.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE CALF PROCESS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR OFFICE DOES OR IS THAT THE, THAT'S A HUMAN RESOURCE PROCESS, BUT IT ALSO GOES THROUGH BUDGET.
SO IT'S A PRETTY LENGTHY PROCESS.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, PARTICULAR TO OCPO.
UM, AS FAR AS THE DIRECTOR POSITION, I'M NOT, UM, THAT IS NOT A PROCESS THAT I PUT IN PLACE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ROUNDS AND WHO WILL ATTEND THE ROUNDS.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL DOCUMENT ON WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE, OTHER THAN THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE SHARED AS FAR AS THE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, THREE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS BEING SELECTED AND THE COMMUNITY ACTION GROUPS ALSO PARTICIPATING AND THE COMMUNITY, THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE, UM, AREAS THAT I AM AWARE OF.
ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTED, UH, TOWARDS THE OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR, MS. CHANDLER, UM, JONATHAN MAPLES.
UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA CALL YOU INTERIM 'CAUSE YOU
SO
AND, UM, YOU, OR GO BACK TO WHATEVER, WHATEVER LIFE YOU LIVE BEFORE, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THIS JOB
UM, BUT I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR BECAUSE MR. WILLIAMS HAS BEEN DOING THAT JOB AND I, I, I GUESS I KIND OF FEEL LIKE HOW DOC FEELS, I MEAN, GOING BACKWARDS AND, AND, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I UNDERSTAND MR. CLARK IS AN ATTORNEY, BUT MAN, OH MAN, THIS IS A WHOLE NOTHER ANIMAL TO DEAL WITH.
I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE HIRES, BUT I AM QUESTIONING THE EXPERIENCE LEVEL BECAUSE IT, IT TAKES, IT TAKES A WORLD OF EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND WE COULD SEE THAT SOMETIMES WITH MAJOR ALANISE WHEN SHE'S JUST ANSWERING QUESTIONS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE INSIGHT TO POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR DISTRICT IF POSSIBLE.
DR. GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
I AM FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN INVESTIGATING OR EVEN DISCUSSING ANY CASES.
AND NORMALLY WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR THAT WE REVIEW AT EACH MEETING, YET WE'VE JUST BEEN REPEATING THE SAME FRUSTRATION OVER THE LANE CASE, BUT NOTHING NEW IS COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
AND I, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT IT'S BECAUSE NO ONE REALLY KNOWS HOW IT SHOULD GO IN THE OFFICE, EXCEPT THE PERSON WHO IS NOT DOING THE INVESTIGATIONS.
THE ONLY PERSON WHO, WHO HAS ANY TRAINING IN OVERSIGHT, EVERYONE ELSE IS JUST THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY OUR, OUR BOOK IS SO DISORGANIZED.
WHY WE'RE NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION THE WAY WE EXPECT TO GET IT.
AND I DON'T, AND I PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU'RE ONLY INTERIM, BUT YOU'RE HIRING PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
MR. CHAIR, THIS IS DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
I, I, MR. KITNER, I VERY MUCH DISAGREE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T EVERY TIME HAVE ONE OR TWO OR THREE MATTERS TO LOOK AT.
WE HAD FIVE LAST TIME AND WE LOOKED AT ALL FIVE OF THEM AND VOTED NOT TO LOOK AT ANY OF 'EM.
SO WE DON'T NEED AN INVESTIGATOR.
I, I ASKED MS. CHANDLER IF, UH, IF, IF I ASSUME IF THERE WAS ONE TO LOOK AT, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT AND YOU WOULD HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO THE INVESTIGATION, AS YOU SAID YOU WOULD.
SO MY IMPRESSION IS WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR THAT WOULD BE HANDLED.
NOW, AS TO THE QUALIFICATIONS, I HAVEN'T INTERVIEWED ANY OF THESE PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I AM WILLING TO TRUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE HIRING AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S APPLYING AND WHAT, WHAT'S OUT THERE.
YOU APPEAR TO BELIEVE AND MAYBE WITH SOME JUSTIFICATION THAT THERE ARE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE OUT THERE TO HIRE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE THE CASE.
AND ALL I CAN DO IS ASSUME THAT WE'RE HIRING THE BEST PEOPLE AVAILABLE WHO APPLY.
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THANK YOU.ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALLISON? ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE HIRING PROCESS.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE AN INTERIM DIRECTOR WHO'S FILLING UP THE OFFICE, WHICH IS GREAT.
WE NEED TO FILL UP THE OFFICE, BUT THEN WE'LL NOT BE THE PERSON LEAVING THE OFFICE.
AND SO, I MEAN, I, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE KIND OF ROBBING THE EVENTUAL DIRECTOR OF THE ABILITY TO SET THE TONE FOR THE OFFICE.
AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT, IF, IF, IF SOMEBODY IS NOT A GOOD FIT FOR THE NEW DIRECTOR, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO LOSE THEIR JOB OR ANYTHING.
I MEAN, I, I, WE, WE WANNA GET THE RIGHT FOLKS.
AND, AND THE FACT IS, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT IN WHO'S BEING HIRED AND WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FOLKS.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE HAD INPUT INTO THE HIRING PROCESS IN THE PAST AND, AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF JUST TRUSTING THAT THE ADULTS ARE TAKING CARE OF IT FOR US.
AND THAT'S NOT SUPER, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHY WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THESE TUESDAY NIGHTS.
SO I, I PUSH BACK A LITTLE AT THE IDEA THAT OVERSIGHT IS A NEW CONCEPT.
I THINK IT ISN'T, I THINK THAT OVERSIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE FOR A VERY LONG TIME IN, IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES, NOT JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO PERHAPS WE CAN FIND FOLKS WHO HAVE HAD OVERSIGHT EXPERIENCE IN OTHER BRANCHES IF, IF COMMUNITY POLICING OVERSIGHT IS NEW, BUT, UM, IS THERE A WAY FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THE HIRING OF THE, THE OFFICE STAFF AT THIS POINT? I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU, IF ANYONE ON THE BOARD IS AWARE OF CANDIDATES THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE, THAT THEY SHOULD DIRECT THEM TO THE CITY OF DALLAS WEBSITE FOR, TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND, UM, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE BOARD MEMBER THAT WAS SPEAKING ABOUT HAVING, UM, INSIGHT INTO THE HIRING WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE DIRECTOR POSITION, BECAUSE THAT IS, AND THE BOARD WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE INPUT INTO THE SELECTION FOR THAT POSITION AS WELL.
AND IF IN RELATION TO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE HIRING PROCESS, I JUST KNOW, JUST AS A CITIZEN WATCHING THE NEWS, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL, UH, POLICE INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.
HAVE WE BEEN ON THE SCENE? HAVE WE HAD AN INVESTIGATOR? I THINK IT GOES TO THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING WHILE WE'RE IN THIS SUSPENSE, UH, OF HIRING? WE HAVE BEEN ON SCENE TO SOME POLICE SHOOTINGS AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THAT WE HAVE NOT.
WAS THAT, WHAT, WAS THAT YOU, I'M SORRY? WERE YOU THE, THE PERSON ON THE SCENE AS THE DIRECTOR? NO, I WAS NOT.
SO DID WE HAVE ANYONE WITH OVERSIGHT EXPERIENCE ON THE SCENE? IT DEPE WHO DO YOU CONSIDER TO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH OVERSIGHT? NO.
MR. WILLIAMS DOESN'T GO TO, UM, ONSITE.
ARE WE CONSULTING WITH HIM TO HELP GET THINGS? I, I'M, I'M FRUSTRATED.
WE WILL, UH, I THINK THE, THE SENTIMENTS HAVE BEEN FELT ON THIS AND WE, WE ALSO AS A BOARD, UM, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN, UM, SHARE OUR FRUSTRATIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, THE CITY MANAGER SETS THE PROCESS.
AND I DO, I DO WANNA SAY PUBLICLY, I, IN MY SHORT DAYS GOING, GOING, GOING TO THE OFFICE, UH, THERE AT CITY HALL TO VISIT MS. CHANDLER, I DO HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR HER IN THIS PLACE THAT SHE'S BEEN PUT IN, UH, BEING THROWN REALLY INTO A JOB THAT SHE, UM, DID NOT KNOW.
AND, AND, UH, NOT A LOT OF HELP AS FAR AS PROCESSES.
AND, AND I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH HER ABILITY TO MAINTAIN MOMENTUM AND LEARN A LOT FROM, FROM SCRATCH.
AND SO I THINK AS A, AS A BOARD, WE ALSO CAN EXTEND SOME GRACE TOWARDS HER.
UH, AND HER JUMPING INTO THIS POSITION THAT SHE'S, UH, AND NOT REALLY WANTED, I MEAN, SHE'S TRYING TO, SHE'S TRYING TO WORK HERSELF OUT OF A JOB, YOU KNOW.
UM, AND I THINK ONE THING TOO, WE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THESE NEW HIRES.
UH, THERE, THEY DO ONE, ONE AREA WHERE I THINK WOULD BE BETTER AS A BOARD IS TO KIND OF LEARN MORE ABOUT WHO THE EMPLOYEES ARE.
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JUST GOT ON HERE, BUT I THINK THERE'D BE A TIME FOR US TO LEARN, UH, ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUNDS TOO.'CAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S, SOME OF YOU DO HAVE, JAMES, YOU DO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE, WITH, UH, POLICE OVERSIGHT.
IS THAT RIGHT? I, I DO NOT HAVE EXPERIENCE OKAY.
WITH, WITH OVERSIGHT BEFORE HERE.
BUT I DO HAVE, I, I WORK, UH, UH, VERY, UH, ABOUT 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE, UH, IN ANCHORAGE, ALASKA, AND OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS AS A 9 1 1 OPERATOR.
I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE FROM PURDUE UNIVERSITY.
AND SO, YEAH, AND I AM JUST TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN, AND I, I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
SO, AND I THINK, UH, WITH THIS NEW DIRECTOR COMING IN, WHICH I THINK WILL, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA, WHICH I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION MORE ABOUT THE, UH, BOARD PARTICIPATION WHEN IT COMES TO THE OC PO DIRECTOR, UM, IS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER IS THE ONE WHO SETS THE, THE PROCESS ON THIS.
AND SO THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE, THE PURVIEW OF, UH, DIRECTOR, UH, INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
BUT, UH, VICE CHAIR RIVAS HAS KIND OF GOT THE BALL ROLLING ON THIS.
UM, DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON, UH, THE BOARD PARTICIPATION AS, AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT WE AS A BOARD WILL BE DOING IN THIS PROCESS OF SELECTING A NEW OCPO DIRECTOR? SO, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
JOSE RIVAS, DISTRICT SEVEN, I HAVE VERY LIMITED INFORMATION.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE CHAIR AND TWO OTHERS FROM THIS BOARD WILL BE PART OF THE HIRING PROCESS FOR THE NEXT DIRECTOR.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I WAS PART OF THE HIRING BOARD, UM, FOR, UM, FOR THE PAST DIRECTOR.
IT WAS, UM, MYSELF, THE CHAIR, MS. WADSWORTH, AND I THINK MS. DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
WERE YOU ONE OF THEM? NO, I KNOW YOU WERE, BUT YOU WERE PART OF THE COALITION, SO NO.
YEAH, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE BOARD, FROM THE BOARD ITSELF.
I KNOW THERE WAS A CHAIR MYSELF AND, AND MS. WADSWORTH, MR. KITNER, WERE YOU PART OF THAT OR NOT? NO.
SO MAYBE IT WAS THREE THEN AS WELL.
I COULD HAVE SWORE IT WAS FOUR.
BUT I DO RECALL MR. UH, MR. HIGGINS AS A MEMBER OF THE COALITION BEING THERE ALSO MR. OR MR. OR SAT ON MY BOARD.
UM, SO I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A GROUP AND WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE, SO I KNOW THAT IT'S, UH, IT WAS FOUR DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT INTERVIEWED ALL OF THE CANDIDATES.
SO THIS, GOING FORWARD, THE CHAIR WILL DECIDE WHICH TWO PEOPLE HE WANTS TO GO WITH THEM TO SIT ON THIS BOARD.
UM, I SUSPECT MS. WADSWORTH WON'T BE ONE OF THEM BECAUSE SHE'S ALREADY DONE IT.
SO, UM, THE CHAIR WILL BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AT, AT YOU GUYS TO SEE, UM, WHO, WHO ULTIMATELY PARTICIPATES.
I DO KNOW, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
IS IT AT THE END OF MARCH? OR THE, UH, BOARD FOR THE INTERVIEWS? MM-HMM.
UM, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE DURING THE FIRST, UM, PORTION OF THE CONSIDERATION PROCESS.
SO, UM, THERE WILL BE AN INITIAL, UH, REVIEW OF APPLICATIONS, AND THEN I BELIEVE THE BOARD MAY BE NEXT.
IT WILL, IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE THE FIRST PART OF MARCH.
I BELIEVE THE WEEK OF THE FOURTH.
UM, SO, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SET IN STONE, SO, BUT THAT IS THE ES UM, THE ESTIMATED TIMEFRAME.
AND, AND REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE AND THAT I'VE PASSED ON TO THE CHAIR.
SO, MR. CHAIR? YES, MR. MAPLES.
SO I WANT TO, I WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT, BUT, UH, SO, SO DIRECTOR, DON'T, DON'T TAKE ANY OF THIS PERSONAL THIS.
YOU WERE, YOU, YOU, YOU DIDN'T CHOOSE THIS, IT CHOSE YOU.
UM, BUT I FIND IT, THE PART THAT I FIND UNFORTUNATE IS, AND THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS AN ATHLETE AND SOMEBODY IN THE MILITARY, NOBODY SHOWED YOU ALONG THE WAY, AND NOBODY'S SHOWING THEM ALONG THE WAY WHAT OVERSIGHT LOOKS LIKE.
SO YOU JUST, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY, REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT, UH, WE'RE DOING BUSINESS THIS WAY.
SO, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT STAGNATES US.
WE MAY NOT SEE IT NOW, BUT IT WILL STAGNATE US IN
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THE FUTURE.AND, UH, YOU JUST, YOU JUST DO THE BEST JOB YOU CAN.
AND, UH, WE'LL KEEP BANGING AWAY AS, AS, UH, AS AN OVERSIGHT BOARD.
MR. KIDNER, UM, HOW MANY APPLICANTS HAVE THERE BEEN SO FAR? CAN YOU TELL US THAT? I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.
HOW MANY DO YOU, HAVE THERE BEEN A NUMBER OF THEM? I MEAN, ARE THERE, HAVE THERE, HAVE THERE, DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A, A NUMBER OF 'EM, THERE HAVE BEEN APPLICANTS? UM, I COULD SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST 10 APPLICANTS.
UM, THERE COULD BE QUITE A BIT MORE THAN THAT.
I, BUT I DON'T HAVE A, A NUMBER.
I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO ASK EVERY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, AS WELL AS THE STAFF OF THE OFFICE TO GO TO THE CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYMENT WEBSITE AND DOWNLOAD A COPY OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THE DIRECTOR THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS POSTED.
EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW WHAT THAT JOB DESCRIPTION SAYS, SO THAT THERE ARE NO, UM, MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT DUTIES ARE SHOWN TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT POLICE OVERSIGHT IN THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED THERE.
WHAT ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS? UH, INFORMATION ABOUT POLICE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES IS NUMBER SEVEN.
SO IT'S NOT A TOP PRIORITY IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION.
IT GOES OFF THE SYSTEM ON THE 16TH, SO YOU ONLY HAVE LIKE TWO DAYS TO DOWNLOAD IT.
BUT I ENCOURAGE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US TO HAVE A WRITTEN COPY OF THAT SO WE HAVE THE RIGHT EXPECTATIONS AS TO WHAT THESE CANDIDATES BRING TO US.
MS. WADSWORTH? YES, MR. HIGGINS, YOU HAVING A GREAT FIRST MEETING HERE, CHAIRMAN
THIS IS NO KNOCK ON YOU PERSONALLY, BUT I SEE A PROBLEMATIC GAP HERE.
AND THE GAP THAT I SEE IS THAT, UM, THERE IS A LACK OF TRAINING AND KNOWLEDGE TO BE AN OVERSIGHT PROFESSIONAL TO DO OVERSIGHT, RIGHT? LIKE, EVEN YOUR ANSWER THAT YOU JUST GAVE ABOUT OVERSIGHT, YOU SAID, IS FAIRLY NEW AS AN INSTITUTION IN THAT, IN THAT IT WAS, IT'S HARD TO FIND APPLICANTS.
UM, NACO CAN GIVE YOU ASSISTANCE WITH THAT, RIGHT? I'M NOT DONE.
UM, ALSO, IT'S NOT NEW, RIGHT? SO I, I'M JUST SAYING, IT, IT, IT KIND OF SHOWS LIKE WHERE WE ARE, LIKE, UM, IN THIS OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
UM, UM, AND I THINK THAT AS A BOARD, WE NEED TO RAISE OUR HAND UP AND WE NEED TO PULL THE BRAKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND SAY THAT WE HAVE EXPECTATIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY YOU REPORT TO US DIRECTOR, AND, UM, HE IS OVER THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND THE HIRING PART OF THAT.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE CANNOT HAVE SOME INPUT AND SOME SAY SO INTO THAT HIRING PROCESS, THE CRITERIA THAT GOES INTO IT, THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE PRESENT FOR THAT, THAT IS TOTALLY UP TO US.
WE DO, AND WE DON'T REALLY, SO WE, WE NEED TO REFRAME OUR QUESTIONS AND OUR THOUGHTS AROUND HOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WE ARE ASKING WHAT WE CAN DO TO OUR DIRECTOR WHO REPORTS TO US.
WE NEED TO SAY WHAT WE WANT, AND THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET, MAKE THAT HAPPEN IF IT'S THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER WORKING IN COOPERATION WITH YOU TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I WAS A PART OF THAT PROCESS AND BEING ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE EVEN SITTING HERE.
I THINK IT'S, UM, WE ARE HIRING PEOPLE WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING.
WE'RE NOT EVEN GETTING A HEADS UP THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING HIRED, NUMBER ONE, BEFORE THEY GET HIRED AS A BOARD.
AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE DOING THAT INTENTIONALLY, BUT THAT'S A GAP, RIGHT? BECAUSE AROUND THIS BOARD, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MORE, EVEN YOU SITTING HERE FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS OR A COUPLE YEARS ON THIS BOARD, YOU MAY HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE AS A OVERSIGHT PROFESSIONAL AS SOMEONE IN THE OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
AND WE NEED TO BE USING THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE SINCE WE LET THE FORMER DIRECTOR WALK OUT HERE WITHOUT ANY TRANSFER OF KNOWLEDGE, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT, WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE AND IN THIS OFFICE, RIGHT? AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUGGEST, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS NEEDS TO BE A MOTION OR
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NOT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WRITE A MEMO TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND TELL HIM, WE WANT, WE WANT TO HOLD UP ON THIS PROCESS AND HAVE A MORE OF, A, MORE INPUT INTO THE PROCESS, INTO THE DIRECTOR BEFORE YOU MAKE A HIRE.WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR CRITERIA ON WHO YOU'RE HIRING.
I, I, I'M, I ALSO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE CAF PROCESS.
LIKE IT'S BEING RE-CERTIFIED, LIKE WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS.
LIKE WHAT GOES INTO THE RE-CERTIFICATION? LIKE WAS THE JOB RECLASSIFIED, THE JOB DESCRIPTION CHANGED? WHO WAS CHA? WHO WAS IT CHANGED BY? WAS IT CHANGED BY YOU? YOU DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY OVERSIGHT PRACTITIONER EXPERIENCE.
SO IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US AS THE OVERSIGHT BOARD TO BE ABLE TO SEE HOW IT WAS CHANGED BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT A REALITY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO HAVE POWER TO DO BOARD, AND WE NEED TO USE THAT POWER.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, THE CALF PROCESS WAS NOT, UH, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I INITIATED TO, BECAUSE THERE WAS A, UH, POSITION TRANSFER AND IT AFFECTED THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR SOME, UH, POSITION.
SO MY, UH, STEPS TO INITIATE A CALF WAS TO REINSTATE THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR POSITION AS IT WAS BEFORE.
I DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE JOB DESCRIPTION OR THE POSITION PAY, OR ANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE POSITION.
I ONLY INITIATED A CAF TO REINSTATE THE POSITION.
AND AS FAR AS, UM, NA COLE AND RECRUITMENT, THE POSITION IS, UH, ALSO POSTED ON THE NICOLE WEBSITE.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE NICOLE WEBSITE AND LOOK AT HOW MANY DIRECTOR POSITIONS ARE POSTED ON THAT WEBSITE, YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED AT THAT AS WELL.
SO THERE IS A BIG NEED IN, UM, A ACROSS
AND, UM, WHEN I SAY THAT IT'S NEW, I DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S NEW.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS ITSELF HAS HAD POLICE OVERSIGHT THAT LOOKED DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
BUT I DO THINK THAT, IN MY OPINION, THAT THERE'S BEEN MORE OF AN EMPHASIS PUT ON POLICE OVERSIGHT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
SO WHEN I SAY IT'S NEW, I REALLY MEAN THAT IT'S NEW IN THE, THE PRIORITY THAT IT'S TAKEN IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
SO, WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, WE, I AM ADVOCATING FOR US AS A BOARD TO PULL THE BREAK, SAY, HOLD ON, CITY MANAGER, AND SEE HOW WE CAN HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THIS, MORE, INTO THIS DIRECTOR PROCESS.
UM, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, AND IT'S NOT, UH, TRYING TO MAKE POLICY.
IT'S NOT OVERSTEPPING OUR BOUNDS.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
SO WE DO AS A BOARD, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, THREE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE A PART OF THAT, UH, JOB, UH, SEARCH.
AND THAT THEY, UH, THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, UM, THE, UH, THE TASK WILL BE PUT ON THE BOARD CHAIR, I GUESS, TO FIGURE OUT WHO THOSE TWO, UH, PEOPLE WILL BE TO ACCOMPANY, UH, ME.
AND I THINK THE PRIORITY FOR ME IS, UH, TO CHOOSE, UH, PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THAT CAN REPRESENT THE INTERESTS AND, UM, AS, AS THE, THE INTERESTS OF THIS BOARD WHO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT CAN HELP US HIRE THAT RIGHT PERSON.
AND SO, UH, I'LL BE THINKING HARD ABOUT THAT, AND THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A PRETTY QUICK PROCESS, BECAUSE BY NEXT MEETING, UH, THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WILL ALREADY BEGIN.
UM, I'LL NEED TO GET EVERYONE'S CONTACT INFO AFTER THIS MEETING SO I CAN REACH OUT TO THOSE AND, UH, BEGIN THAT PROCESS.
BUT, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS AS FAR AS ON THE BOARD, ANY ACTIONS, STATEMENTS, ANY MOTIONS, UH, REGARDING THIS TOPIC? HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, A FEW SHOOTINGS AND THAT WE DID OR DID NOT GO OUT.
THIS GENTLEMAN WENT OUT, OR DID YOU GO OUT? UM, UH, MR. GRIFFIN.
DID MR. GRIFFIN WENT OUT? YEAH, I WENT, I WENT, THAT IS CORRECT.
I WENT TO THE ONE OIS SHOOTING THAT HAPPENED IN, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ONE IN DEEP EL, YES.
DID ANYBODY GIVE YOU ANY TRAINING OR ANY ADVICE ABOUT HOW TO GO OUT THERE? YOU JUST WENT OUT THERE? I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I ASKED IF, IF, IF SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS COULD BE NOTIFIED AS WELL, WHILE WE'RE STILL IN THIS PROCESS, BUT WE, WE ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN WE GO TO A POLICE SHOOTING.
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TIME OF THIS, WHEN THE SHOOTING, WHEN IT OCCURRED, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND, UH, MR. WILLIAMS WERE IN CHICAGO ON A CONFERENCE.AND SO THEY ASKED ME TO RESPOND TO, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE.
AND SO I HAD NOT HAD ANY TRAINING.
I JUST WENT TO BASICALLY REPRESENT THE OFFICE AND GO FROM THERE AND TOOK, AND AT THE TIME, NO.
SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION.
I KNOW, UH, WHENEVER THERE'S A SHOOTING THAT THE, THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR WILL BE NOTIFIED.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, JOSE, YOU WERE AT, UH, UH, THIS PAST WEEKEND, WENT TO, UH, UH, WILL YOU TELL THAT AS WELL, JUST STICKING OUT? I SURE WILL.
AT, UH, ONE 40, UM, ON, WHAT'S IT, UH, SATURDAY, SATURDAY MORNING.
SATURDAY MORNING AT ONE 40 IN THE MORNING, I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM MAJOR ALLEN EAST, UM, STATING THAT THERE HAD BEEN AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OVER IN, UH, SOUTH DALLAS OFF OF WHEATLAND ROAD.
UM, I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE CHAIR TO NOTIFY HIM, UM, AND WAS UNABLE TO REACH HIM.
SO I SENT HIM A TEXT TO LET HIM KNOW THAT, UH, THERE HAD BEEN A SHOOTING.
UM, I THEN FELT, I WASN'T SURE IF ANYONE FROM THE OFFICE WAS GOING, SO I JUMPED IN MY CAR AT LIKE ONE 50 AND DROVE OUT TO WHEATLAND, AND IT WAS LIKE A 20 MINUTE DRIVE FOR ME.
UM, IT, THE SHOOTING WAS AT A RETAIL CENTER, UH, RIGHT OFF OF WHEATLAND AND I 20, AND IT, SO IT WAS A RETAIL CENTER, NOT A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, THERE IT WAS, AND THERE WAS LIKE, UH, FAST FOOD, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS WHERE THE SHOOTING OCCURRED WAS A GOOD 300, 300 YARDS IN, UH, FROM WHERE THE STAGING POINT WAS.
UM, I PULLED IN, I GOT OUT, TWO OFFICERS APPROACHED ME, AND I JUST, UM, I HAD MY BADGE.
SO I JUST SHOWED THEM THAT I WAS WITH CITY OF DALLAS, AND I WAS A MEMBER OF THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
I WAS JUST COMING TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS OUT HERE OR ANYTHING.
AND THERE WAS NO ONE OUT THERE.
IT WAS LITERALLY JUST THE POLICE OFFICERS, UM, DETECTIVES WERE COMING AND GOING.
UM, THERE WAS NO COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THEY HAD THE WHOLE, THAT WHOLE CORNER BLOCKED OFF.
WELL, WHEN I SPOKE TO THE OFFICERS, UM, YOU KNOW, I TOLD THEM THAT I WAS THERE WITH POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND THEY WERE VERY CORDIAL.
UM, THEY ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO GO AND TALK TO THE PERSON THAT WAS WORKING THE SCENE, THE DETECTIVE OUT THERE, AND I SAID, NO, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, I DID NOT WANT TO, UH, GO INSIDE THE PERIMETER, UH, AND BECOME PART OF THE CASE, SO TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, I SAW, I COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS A GROUP OF MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE GUYS, UH, POLICE OFFICERS OVER THERE.
UM, I ASKED THE OFFICERS, UM, IF THE, IF THE, THE SUB, THE SUBJECT THAT HAD BEEN SHOT, IF HE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY THOUGHT.
AND THEY SAID THAT HE GOT SHOT IN THE LEG AND THAT HE WAS AT THE HOSPITAL, AND HE WAS GONNA BE, HE WAS GONNA BE FINE.
AND HE SAID THERE WERE VERY LITTLE, VERY LITTLE BLOOD.
UM, THEY SAID, NO OFFICERS WERE INJURED.
I GOT BACK IN MY TRUCK, I WAITED ABOUT FIVE, 10 MINUTES, DIDN'T SEE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE COMMUNITY AROUND, DROVE DOWN THE, THE STREET TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO ONE THERE.
I, I GOT HOME, I THINK AROUND THREE.
SO, SO, SO IS THAT, IS THAT USUALLY HOW THE PROCESS GOING? FORGIVE ME.
IS, IS THAT, SO MAJOR ALANISE CALLS ONE OF YOU TWO? IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE DIRECTOR.
NORMALLY IT WOULD GO TO THE DIRECTOR, BUT, UH, BECAUSE I'M SO NEW, SHE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, MY CONTACT INFO.
SO IT DID COME TO YOU FIRST, AND THEN IT WENT TO HIM, AND THEN HE NOTIFIED THAT, SO IT GOES TO THE, THE CHAIR? I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T, SHE ALSO CALLS AND THE DIRECTOR.
UM, I DON'T ASK, YOU KNOW, WHETHER SHE WAS ABLE TO GET IT.
YEAH, I, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, NOBODY'S EVER EXPLAINED HOW THE PROCESS GOES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE FORMER CHAIR EVER WENT OUT TO THE SCENE.
I THINK HE MIGHT'VE GONE ONCE OR TWICE, OR, YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT'VE, HE MIGHT'VE GONE EVERY TIME.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT WAS NEVER EXPLAINED.
AND WE NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT HERE EITHER.
UM, BUT, UH, I JUST FELT, WHEN I DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANYONE FROM THE OFFICE, UM, I WASN'T SURE IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF 'EM.
JUST TO, UH, JUST TO BE ON, JUST TO BE THERE.
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UM, THERE WAS NOTHING UNTOWARD THAT HAPPENED.SO, UM, IT WAS AN INTERESTING MORNING, AND I STILL DIDN'T TAKE A NAP THAT DAY.
CAN I, THIS IS DAVID KITNER IN DISTRICT 13, JUST YES.
JUST TO KIND OF ECHO WHAT MR. UH, SILVA SAID.
I, UM, I WAS TOLD BY THE PRIOR DIRECTOR THAT WHEN SHE WOULD GO OUT THERE, IT WAS PURELY AS AN OBSERVER.
SHE DIDN'T GO WITHIN THE PERIMETER AND INJECT HERSELF OR ANYTHING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHE WAS OBSERVING FOR, BUT THAT'S WHAT SHE DID.
AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND INTERNAL AFFAIRS DOES THE SAME THING.
IF THERE'S AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, THEY GO OUT AND OBSERVE, BUT DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION, THE PROCESS, AND INTERVIEWING, AS WAS SAID BY THE VICE CHAIR.
HE WASN'T GONNA GO TALK TO ANYBODY, INJECT HIMSELF IN THE PROCESS.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF TO THE POINT OF, AND, AND MAYBE WE'VE TALKED TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE BEEN PUT IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE LOST OUR, UM, DIRECTOR AND WE LOST OUR INVESTIGATOR.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT, WHAT WENT ON, WHAT HAPPENED OR WHATEVER.
UH, WE HAVE AN INTERIM, AND I THINK SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHE'S BEEN GIVEN TO DO HERE.
UM, BUT I GUESS THE PROCESS COULD BE LET'S WAIT AND FIND A DIRECTOR, AND THEN LET THE DIRECTOR HIRE EVERYBODY, OR LET'S GO AHEAD AND HIRE PEOPLE AND GET, GET GOING.
AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE HIRING GOOD PEOPLE AND LET 'EM LEARN ON THE, ON THE JOB.
AND I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE PLEASED WITH THEM.
I'M, UH, I THINK WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, PERSONALLY.
WE'LL, UH, WE'LL KEEP THE BOARD UPDATED AS, AS WELL ON THIS PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, THESE THREE, UH, PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE, UM, WILL REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THIS BOARD.
AND, UM, AND SO WE'LL, UH, BE IN CONTACT.
I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BASED ON WHAT BOARD MEMBER JUST SAID, THAT WE, UH, THAT WE, UM, WAIT FREEZE HIRING UNTIL WE SELECT THE DIRECTOR.
SO THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, UH, TO, UH, FREEZE HIRING.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
WE DO NOT HAVE, WE, WE WHAT, WHAT, WAIT, MR. WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE POWER TO SAY WE WANT TO STOP ANY NEW HIRES UNTIL WE HIRE A DIRECTOR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, EARLIER YOU MENTIONED, YES.
WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION, BUT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UH, WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, AND THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THE OFFICE.
IS THAT HOW YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, PROCEED? YES.
WILL YOU GO AHEAD AND STATE THAT MOTION? UH, FOR THE PUBLIC? AND FOR THE RECORD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE BOARD SEND A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER STATING THAT WE WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL HIRES TO STOP UNTIL WE GET A DIRECTOR ON BOARD.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE GO TO A ROLL CALL? VOTE? JUST THE POINT OF, UH, OZZIE SMITH.
UH, DISTRICT ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I, I THINK WE'RE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF SOME, AND OFFERS MAY BE PENDING.
I, I JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF WHAT WE'RE PUTTING A PAUSE ON.
'CAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S ALREADY IN A PENDING OFFER, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UM, HOLD THAT UP.
SO, FOR THE DIRECTOR POSITION, THERE'S ALREADY AN OFFER? NO.
WELL, YOU SAID, I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU SAID A PAUSE ON ALL HIRING? CORRECT.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT WOULD IMPACT THE OTHERS ON, UM, ITEM 3D AS WELL, CORRECT.
OR COULD IMPACT THE OTHERS ON THAT IS CORRECT.
SO DOES THIS MOTION INCLUDE, UH, NEW INITIATIONS OR, UH, BECAUSE THIS MOTION, WE CAN'T, THINGS HAVE ALREADY STARTED.
WE, WE CAN'T DO MUCH AS FAR AS THAT.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT, TOO? UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND THE BOARD THAT WE LOST, OR THE BO WELL, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT LOST THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT POSITION, UM, BECAUSE IT WASN'T FILLED.
AND A LOT OF THESE POSITIONS HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND IF THEY CONTINUE TO GO WITHOUT BEING FILLED, THE POSITIONS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE OFFICE AND THERE WILL NOT BE THE ABILITY TO FILL 'EM.
SO, JUST, JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON THAT.
UH, YOU HAVE, WE HAVE, THERE'S AN ALLOTTED TIMEFRAME TO FILL A POSITION.
IF THE POSITION ISN'T FILLED, THIS CITY MANAGER SAYS, I'M TAKING IT BACK.
NO, THAT'S NOT, NOT THE CITY MANAGER.
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OH, THE BUDGET GOES BACK INTO THE YES.AND THAT HAPPENS FOR EVERY POSITION IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT'S FOR EVERY OFFICE IN DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THAT'S A WASTE OF MY TAX MONEY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, AND MR. HIGGINS, WILL YOU RESTATE THAT, THAT MOTION, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND A LETTER TO, UM, CITY MANAGER BROAD NEXT, THAT WE HOLD OFF ON HIRING, THAT WE RECOMMEND AS A BOARD THAT WE HOLD OFF ON HIRING UNTIL, UH, UNTIL WE GET A DIRECTOR IN PLACE.
THAT MOTION'S BEEN SECONDED BY DISTRICT NINE.
DISTRICT NINE, LET'S GO FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE.
AND IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, YAY.
AND THEN THE MAJORITY WILL CARRY, UH, THIS VOTE.
OH, SORRY, WE ALREADY DID THAT ONE.
WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE COUNT? SIX.
THE VOTE IS SIX NOS TO FIVE YESES.
THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS A QUESTION, UH, ABOUT THE, THE ALLOCATION OF THE BUDGET.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T FILL THAT DIRECTOR POSITION, THAT WE COULD LOSE THAT DIRECTOR POSITION FOR THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT? UM, I DOUBT THAT THE DIRECTOR POSITION, UM, THE POSITION HAS BEEN OPEN FOR A PERIOD OF FOUR MONTHS.
THE POSITIONS IN OCPO HAVE BEEN OPEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME TO THE EXTENT THAT THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT POSITION WAS LOST.
THANK YOU BOARD FOR THAT DISCUSSION ON THIS.
UH, AND I THINK WE'RE, UH, ABLE TO MOVE ON NOW TO, UH, MEMO ITEM THREE F UH, THREE F, UH, WHICH IS, UH, REPORT THE DPD MONTHLY ARREST DATA.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A REPORT THAT'S GIVEN TO THE BOARD EVERY MONTH, UH, TO CHECK ON YOUR DISTRICT AND ANY, UH, TRENDS, UH, STATISTICS THAT MAY BE, UH, WORTH NOTING.
I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT AT THIS TIME TO KINDA LOOK OVER THAT FOR YOUR OWN DISTRICTS.
AND, UM, UH, GIVE A TIME IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT CAN BE DIRECTED TOWARDS, UH, THE OFFICE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, BY THE BOARD REGARDING, UH, ITEM THREE? F? I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
MR. MAPLES, THIS MONTHLY ARREST RECORDS AND THE TWO YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, MAYBE IT'S THREE YEARS, I DON'T REMEMBER.
BUT
IS ANYBODY INVESTIGATING THAT, MR. MAPLE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
WHO'S THAT QUESTION ADDRESSED TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN?
LET ME, LET ME FIND OUT FOR YOU.
LEMME FIND OUT THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, I JUST WANNA KNOW, MAN, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S THAT NUMBER'S WAY OUT THERE, BROTHER, AND IT'S BEEN OUT THERE.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S, IT, THE TREND ISN'T GOING DOWN.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE TREND ISN'T GOING DOWN.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A LARGE CLIP.
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IF YOU COULD FIND THAT OUT, IT'D BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THIS ITEM THREE F UH, COMMENT? YES, MR. HIGGINS? I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE A PLUG FOR THE DATA AND TRANSPARENCY COMMITTEE THAT WE COULD PUT ON THAT QUESTION.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THREE F LET'S MOVE TO 3G.
UH, 3G IS AN UPDATE ON THE CPO ANNUAL RETREAT.
AND, UH, I THINK, UH, THE CHO THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR ELAINE CHANDLER, UH, TO GIVE THE BOARD AN UPDATE ON, UH, THIS ITEM.
THE OFFICE IS CURRENTLY IN PROCESS OF SCHEDULING THE RETREAT, UH, THE ANNUAL RETREAT.
AND WE ARE TENTATIVELY PLANNING THE EVENT AT THE BLACK ACADEMY OF ARTS.
UM, WE ANTICIPATE THIS BEING, UM, FORMALIZED FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH, TOWARD THE END OF MARCH OR EARLY APRIL, OR MID, I WOULD SAY LATE MARCH TO POSSIBLY MID-APRIL, I THINK IT WAS CHANDLER.
AND, AND, UM, DO YOU PLAN TO SEND AN EMAIL TO THE, TO THE, THE BOARD AS FAR AS, UH, NOTIFYING US WHEN THE DATES ARE ARE AND LOCATION? YES, WE ARE CURRENTLY, UM, CHECKING FOR AVAILABLE DATES, AND WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A WAY OF IDENTIFYING WHAT DATES THE BOARD MAY BE AVAILABLE AS WELL.
SO WE MAY SEND OUT A DOCUMENT, UM, AND MAYBE YOU COULD CHECK BOXES AS TO WHEN YOU ARE AVAILABLE.
UM, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO ATTEMPT TO, UH, PLAN HEADSHOTS FOR THAT EVENT.
WE'RE ALSO THINKING OF PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY IT, IT'S A COMMERCIAL, BUT, UM, THERE ARE, WE DO HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, A VIDEO TO PUT ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, WE, IT WOULD BE FILMED IN CLYDE WARREN PARK, BUT THAT'S SOME DISTANCE, SO THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT DAY.
UM, BUT WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UM, WHILE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULING MULTIPLE EVENTS.
SO WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED JUST BRIEFLY REAL QUICK.
WE, YOU NEED TO SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR DISTRICT.
UM, JUST BRIEFLY, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU BE MINDFUL OF SPRING BREAK BECAUSE MY KIDS GO TO GISD, BUT I, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED THAT.
WE DISCUSSED THAT, AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I WAS, UM, CONCERNED WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF EVERYONE.
SO, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
SO THE RETREAT WILL BE ON A SATURDAY, MORE THAN LIKELY.
IS IT AN ALL DAY EVENT? UM, WE WERE THINKING BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 9:00 AM AND THREE.
BETWEEN NINE AND THREE, SO PRETTY MUCH ALL DAY.
SO, AND, AND ONE OTHER QUESTION.
IS ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HELPING YOU WITH THE RETREAT? WE HAVEN'T BEGIN RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE AVAILABILITY OF A VENUE, AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THAT PROCESS, UM, WE CAN SOLICIT IDEAS FROM THE BOARD.
DISTRICT FOUR, I HAVE A REQUEST.
COULD YOU BOOK IT LATER IN THE DAY SO THAT IF I HAVE EVENTS, IT'S NOT CONFLICTING.
'CAUSE MOST OF MY SATURDAY MORNINGS ARE ALREADY BOOKED.
WE CAN GIVE OPTIONS ON THE AVAILABILITY SHEET FOR PEOPLE TO SELECT, UM, INTO THE EVENING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. CHAN, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UH, REGARDING THE CPO UH, RETREAT, CPOB RETREAT? YEAH, I HAVE A FEW.
UM, YES, MR. HIGGINS, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UM, WHO IS, UH, A PART OF THE PLANNING.
I MEAN, SO FAR, ARE YOU ENVISIONING IS GONNA BE A PART OF THE PLANNING OF THE, UH, OF THE RETREAT RIGHT NOW? WE'VE GOT AS FAR AS SELECTING AN EVENT, UH, VENUE AND SELECTING DATES.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'LL REACH OUT TO THE BOARD FOR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND IF THERE IS A COMMITTEE THAT ALREADY EXISTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, UM, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RETREAT, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, I LIKE TO PUT MY NAME IN THE, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE PAST RETREATS HAVE KIND OF JUST BEEN CONVERSATIONS, AND I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS STRATEGICALLY, TACTICALLY THAT WE NEED TO BE
AND I'M SURE YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING THE SAME THING, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT.
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NOTED.ANY OTHER COMMENTS IN THAT CASE? LET'S, UH, MOVE TO ITEM THREE H.
THREE H AND THIS IS AN UPDATE ON, UH, THE STATUS OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS REQUESTED BY THE CPOB, UH, DIAMOND ROSS.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES, UH, CHRISTOPHER CLARK, UH, TO GIVE THIS UPDATE TO THE BOARD.
UH, CHRISTIAN, THE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S MY JOB TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE DIAMOND ROSS CASE.
UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT THAT CASE WAS RECENTLY IN, UH, JANUARY, UH, THE CIVIL CASE AGAINST THE CITY WAS DISMISSED BY FEDERAL COURT.
IT WAS DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE, MEANING THAT THAT CASE CANNOT BE REFILED JUST BY ITSELF.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, GO AFTER AN APPEAL OF THE DECISION FROM THE JUDGE.
UH, I WILL NOTE, UM, AS A EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY, UH, DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE IS A VERY SERIOUS TYPE OF DISMISSAL.
UM, AND SO WHILE I HAVEN'T MYSELF REVIEWED THE JUDGE'S DECISION, UH, THAT IS NOT A DISMISSAL.
THAT'S TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY IN FEDERAL COURT.
UM, AND SO WHILE I DO ANTICIPATE BASED OFF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO THE MEDIA, UH, FROM MS. ROSS'S ESTATE, FROM THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING HER ESTATE, THAT THERE WILL LIKELY BE AN APPEAL, IT WILL BE AN APPEAL BATTLE, UH, LEGALLY.
UM, YOU DID ALL RECEIVE A COPY OF MY MEMO, WHICH IS A SUMMARY OF MY REVIEW OF THE CASE FILE THAT HAS BEEN, UH, RELEASED BY DPD WITH ALL OF THE REPORTS, ALL OF THE ASSOCIATED, UH, NOTES, UH, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION, UM, THAT WAS CONDUCTED IN 2019, UH, JUST BY WAY OF A SHORT SUMMARY.
AND AUGUST, AUGUST 18TH, 2018, IN THE EARLY HOURS, MS. DIAMOND ROSS, UH, A CALL WAS PUT IN BY AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, ON MS. DIAMOND ROSS.
POLICE RESPONDED TO THAT SCENE.
UH, THE PERSON THERE, WHILE HE CLAIMED HE HAD NO, UM, ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH MS. ROSS, HE DID SAY THAT MS. ROSS F FREQUENTED HIS, UM, HOUSE.
UM, THERE WAS SUSPICION OF INTOXICATION, UH, ON MS. ROSS AS WELL AS THAT, UH, MAN WHO ACTUALLY MADE THE 9 1 1 CALL.
UH, THE NINE ONE ONE CALL IS AVAILABLE, UH, THROUGH THE SHAREPOINT AS WELL.
UH, POLICE OFFICER WILLIAM OR ORTEGA, EXCUSE ME, AND SENIOR CORPORAL LARRY MOODY, UH, RESPONDED TO THE SCENE.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO THE ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT WERE ALLEGED AGAINST AND ULTIMATELY SUSTAINED AGAINST ON SEVERAL COUNTS.
UM, IT IS ALLEGED, UH, THAT THERE WERE FOUR ALLEGATIONS, UM, TWO OF WHICH ARE FAILURE TO SECURE A PRISONER WITH A SEATBELT IN VIOLATION OF SECTION 300 OF THE GENERAL ORDERS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT IS FURTHER ALLEGED, UH, THAT THEY FAILED TO OBTAIN MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR AN INTOXICATED INDIVIDUAL, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PATROL BUREAU, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES 8 0 1.
UM, IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS SEEN TO BE UNCONSCIOUS OR SEMI-CONSCIOUS, THE UM, OPERATING PROCEDURES DICTATE THAT THE OFFICERS ARE TO CALL FOR AN AMBULANCE.
IT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION, UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERA CONFIRMING THIS, THAT THE BOARD DOES HAVE ACCESS TO AN, THE SHAREPOINT THAT IN FACT, IN THE COURSE OF MAKING AN ARREST, UH, FOR A FAMILY OFFENSE ASSAULT, UH, A MISDEMEANOR ASSAULT MIND YOU, UM, THAT, UH, MS. ROSS WAS RESISTING ARREST, UH, POLICE WERE ABLE TO SUBDUE HER AND GET HER IN THE POLICE CAR.
BUT WHEN SHE WAS IN THE POLICE CAR, UH, SHE WAS SHOWING SIGNS OF SOME TYPE OF MEDICAL DISTRESS.
IT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT THE OFFICERS, UH, AGAIN, SENIOR CORPORAL MOODY AND POLICE OFFICER ORTEGA DID IN FACT CALL FOR, UH, DALLAS, UM, FIRE RESCUE TO COME TO THE SCENE, PERFORM MEDICAL EXAMINATION.
THEY DID PERFORM THAT EXAMINATION AND THEY DID CLEAR HER FOR TRANSPORT.
UM, SHE WAS PLACED BACK IN THE VEHICLE.
THAT VEHICLE WAS THEN TRANSPORTED TO THE CITY DETENTION CENTER ONCE SHE'S AT THE CITY DETENTION CENTER.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE INCLUDED VIDEO, UH, FROM THE CLOSED CAPTION TV THAT WAS THERE, THAT WAS REVIEWED IN THE COURSE OF THIS INVESTIGATION, AND IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON, UM, YOUTUBE.
IT IS CLEAR, UH, IN MY OPINION, AFTER A REVIEW AND IN, IN THE FINDINGS FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION, UH, THAT SHE WAS NON-RESPONSIVE
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WITHOUT QUESTION, UM, THAT, UH, SHE WAS, IN FACT, AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE THE ALLEGATIONS WERE SUSTAINED, THAT SHE WAS EITHER COMPLETELY UNCONSCIOUS OR SEMI-CONSCIOUS.UM, AND, AND THAT IS APPARENT, UM, FROM THE VIDEO, UH, IN FINDING THOSE SUSTAINED ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE OFFICERS.
UH, THERE WAS A THOROUGH REVIEW AS, UM, THE MAJOR DESCRIBED EARLIER.
THAT CHAIN OF COMMAND PROCESS, AS SHE DESCRIBED, WAS FOLLOWED.
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DISCIPLINE WERE GIVEN, UH, FOR SENIOR CORPORAL LARRY MOODY.
THE RECOMMENDATION WAS A ONE TO TWO DAY SUSPENSION, DEPENDING ON WHICH COMMANDING OFFICER WAS THERE.
IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A LETTER OF REPRIMAND WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE DISCIPLINE FOR HIM.
AND I'VE INCLUDED THAT IN THE PACKET.
IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKETS.
UM, FOR POLICE OFFICER WILLIAM ORTEGA, HE ACTUALLY RESIGNED FROM, UM, THE DEPARTMENT WHILE THE INVESTIGATION WAS ONGOING.
AND IT IS NOTEWORTHY, AGAIN, JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, UH, OFFICER ORTEGA, HE WAS, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR ADVISE AND ADVICE, EXCUSE ME, UH, IN INSTRUCTION BECAUSE HE WAS A, A RELATIVELY NEW OFFICER ON THE FORCE.
UH, AND IT WAS REALLY SENIOR CORPORAL MOODY, WHO WAS FOUND TO BE, UM, THE, THE MORE SENIOR OFFICER AND THE PERSON WHO, WHO ULTIMATELY, UM, THE BUCK STOPPED WITH HIM TO PUT IT IN A, IN A PHRASE WE ALL KNOW.
UM, AND SO, UM, THOSE ACTIONS WERE TAKEN.
THE CASE WAS ALSO PROPERLY DECIDED TO BE PRESENTED TO THE GRAND JURY.
DALLAS COUNTY GRAND JURY DID NOT RETURN AN INDICTMENT, AND THEREFORE, UH, CRIMINAL CHARGES DID NOT ENSUE.
AND AN AUTOPSY CONDUCTED THE DAY AFTER HER ARREST, UM, THAT IN FACT, UM, SHE DID HAVE A HIGH AMOUNT OF PCP IN HER SYSTEM, WHICH ULTIMATELY CAUSED HER TO SLIP INTO UNCONSCIOUSNESS.
UM, AGAIN, UM, AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE IS CONCERNED, ONCE THEY ARRIVE AT THE CITY DETENTION CENTER, UM, SHE'S PLACED IN A WHEELCHAIR, UH, AGAIN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE VIDEO, SHE'S PRETTY MUCH LIFELESS, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, AND, UM, SHE'S BROUGHT IN, THEY PLACE HER IN A WHEELCHAIR AS A REPORT IN THE FINDINGS DETAILS.
SHE HAS NO CONTROL OF HER MUSCLES.
UH, I MEAN, SHE IS JUST LEANING BACK WITH HER MOUTH OPEN.
UM, AFTER ABOUT 17 MINUTES, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, UM, SOMEONE FINALLY NOTICED AND, AND THEY TRIED TO GET HER TO BE RESPONSIVE, UM, STEPS AT THAT POINT WERE TAKEN TO TRY AND REVIVE HER.
UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SHE SUR CAME TO THE, UM, TO, TO, TO HER CONDITION AND THE CRISIS THAT SHE WAS EXPERIENCING AT THAT POINT.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE UPDATE I HAVE ON THE ROSS REPORT.
IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.
I, I PRAY FOR HER FAMILY, UM, WHO'S STILL PROCESSING THAT.
UM, AND, UH, AGAIN, I I, BASED OFF OF MY REVIEW, I DO BELIEVE THAT DALLAS POLICE IN THIS SITUATION DID ACT CAREFULLY, THOROUGHLY, AND AFFORD ALL DUE PROCESS IN COMING TO THE DETERMINATION THAT IN FACT, THESE ALLEGATIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSTAINED AGAINST THESE OFFICERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CLARK, FOR THAT REPORT.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, UH, DIRECTED TOWARDS, UH, MR. CLARK REGARDING, UH, THIS REPORT? I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, SO YOU ARE THE NEW MEDIATION MANAGER? YES.
UH, WHY ARE YOU PRESENTING THIS DIAMOND ROSS CASE TEST INSTEAD OF DIRECTOR CHANDLER OR MAYBE FORMER INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS WHO WORKED ON IT? NO, I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY BACKGROUND IS YOU'LL ALL FINE.
I'M ACTUALLY A FORMER PROSECUTOR.
UM, SO MY BACKGROUND IN POLICE OVERSIGHT HASN'T BEEN THROUGH A BOARD.
UM, IT'S BEEN THROUGH ACTUALLY HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE CHARGES AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS THAT YOU ALL SEE EVERY DAY.
IT WAS MY JOB TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT I FILED AN ARREST WAS PROPER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GONNA PURSUE CHARGES AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR VERSION OF THE PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT.
THE ACTIONS AND DISCIPLINARY ACTION NEEDED TO BE TAKEN AGAINST OFFICERS.
SO, UM, I'VE ALSO, I'VE WORKED AS A CIVIL ATTORNEY, SO I'VE SUED DEPARTMENTS FOR CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AS WELL.
UM, SO AGAIN, I'VE CONDUCTED INVESTIGATIONS, NOT SPECIFICALLY UNDER THE PURVIEW OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE BOARD, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMES IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
WHILE I DIDN'T WRITE A LETTER, UM, TO THE CITY MANAGER TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID, I DID DISMISS CHARGES.
I DID MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR OFFICE AS TO WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO CERTAIN POLICIES THAT WERE STRIPPING AWAY BLACK, UM, DEFENDANTS OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK RECOURSE IN CIVIL COURTS OF LAW.
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OUT WHEN I SAW CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS AND MAKE STRONG POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR OFFICE AS TO WHY CERTAIN PRACTICES BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD NOT BE PURSUED IN THE CRIMINAL COURT OF THE LAW BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET THOSE QUALIFICATIONS.SO, I, I, THE OPPORTUNITY AROSE FOR ME TO PRESENT THIS CASE FOR ME TO LOOK OVER THE CASE FILE.
I VOLUNTEERED, UH, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO SO, UM, BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IT'S A TEAM EFFORT.
WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF 21ST CENTURY POLICING? WELL, I THINK 21ST CENTURY POLICING, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE THEORETICAL DEFINITION THAT YOU CAN FIND IN THE BOOKS AND THE ARTICLES THAT'S BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT IT.
ULTIMATELY, WE LIVE IN AN EVOLVING WORLD THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE US TO NOT JUST BE INNOVATIVE, BUT MINDFUL OF THE CORE PRINCIPLES OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE AFFORDED BY THE LAW.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT COMMUNITY POLICING STILL WORKS.
I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE FOR FAR TOO LONG ALLOWED THE STATUS QUO, UH, TO, TO, TO GOVERN HOW WE DO THINGS IN THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE USE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I DO THINK THERE ARE CORE PRINCIPLES THAT EXIST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF, UM, INCLUDING DISCRETION OF OFFICERS.
UM, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE IN PLACE THAT CAN HOLD OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE, THAT WE HAVE TO PUT PEOPLE IN PLACE, THAT ARE GONNA LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY AND RESPOND TO THE EVER CHANGING PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE IN A GROWING AND EVOLVING WORLD.
SO, UM, THAT'S MY DEFINITION OF THE MENTALITY WE NEED TO HAVE IN 21ST CENTURY POLICING.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU READ PRESIDENT OBAMA'S TASK FORCE ON 21ST CENTURY POLICING, UM, TO INCLUDE THAT INTO YOUR REPERTOIRE OF WHAT YOU
UM, I THINK THAT AS A OVERSIGHT PRACTITIONER, UM, AND BEING SOMEBODY WHO IN FOR 20 YEARS HAS WORKED AND SAW CASES THAT JUSTIFIABLY WERE WRONG, GO TO PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNITS, DAS OFFICES, AND COME OUT, UM, ONCE OVER AND OVER AND OVER WITH NO BILLS AND, AND NO CHARGES FOR OFFICERS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE WATCHING YOU
YOU'VE GIVEN THAT EXAMPLE AND, AND, AND YOUR HISTORY AND YOUR BACKGROUND AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.
BUT, BUT I, I THINK IT IS VERY SPECIFIC WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS TYPE OF OVERSIGHT.
UH, I, I THINK O OVERSIGHT OF OUR OFFICE IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.
I THINK OVERSIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PROVIDING OVERSIGHT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED AS WELL.
WE ALL MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, AND IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO MEET OUR OWN STANDARDS, HOW CAN WE EVER IMPOSE 'EM ON ANYONE ELSE? SO I, I, I WELCOME YOU WATCHING ME.
I WELCOME HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IN THAT OFFICE, AND THAT'S THE ENERGY AND MENTALITY I BRING TO IT.
AND WILL YOU BE, I GUESS IT'S TO DIRECTOR WILL, WILL HE BE DOING INVESTIGATIONS? NO, THE MEDIATION MANNER MANAGER ROLE IS TO MEDIATE, UM, IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES IN THE OFFICE, BUT NOT AS AN INVESTIGATOR.
IN, UH, EFFORT TO KIND OF, UH, KEEP THIS MEETING ON TASK, UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS JUST ABOUT THE DIAMOND ROSS CASE REGARDING, UH, DIRECTED TOWARDS, UH, MR. CHRIS? YES, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
UM, IN YOUR, IN YOUR LETTER, YOU HAVE SAID OFFICER FAILED TO SECURE A PRISONER WITH A SEATBELT AND OFFICER FAILED TO SECURE A PRISON WITH A SEATBELT.
UM, AND, UH, I I WILL NOTE AGAIN, WE HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEO THAT'S AVAILABLE.
THEY, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE FAILURE TO SECURE, UH, THE FAILURE TO SECURE, UH, THE PRISONER AND SEAT BELTS A SERIOUS OFFENSE.
WE'VE ALL SEEN WHAT HAPPENS IN NATIONAL CASES WHEN PRISONERS ARE JUST THROWN INTO THE BACK OF PADDY WAGONS OR BACK OF POLICE CARS AND LEFT WHILE DRIVING IS ERRATIC.
OF COURSE, WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.
UM, BUT IF YOU DO LOOK AT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEO, YOU'LL SEE THE FDR WAS ALSO IN THE MIX.
THERE WERE OTHER OFFICERS THAT WERE HELPING PICK HER UP AND PUT HER INTO THE CAR.
UM, WHILE IT IS, NO EXCUSE THERE, THERE WAS A BIT OF MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE OFFICERS LITERALLY PUTTING HER INTO THE CAR.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, SENIOR CORPORAL MOODY AND POLICE OFFICER ORTEGA, UM, THEY THOUGHT SHE WAS SECURED BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
ULTIMATELY, THE BUCK STOPS WITH THEM.
YOU SAID THAT YOU'D BEEN AN ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN WHICH, UH, JURISDICTION? ONONDAGA COUNTY, NEW YORK.
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ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING DIAMOND ROSS CASE DIRECTED TOWARDS, UH, MR. CLARK? YEAH, I, I, UH, JONATHAN MAPLES DISTRICT TOO.
I HAVE A, I I HAVE A, A QUICK QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO, SO YOU SAID, UH, SENIOR CORPORAL MOODY WAS RECOMMENDED FOR ONE TO TWO DAYS OF SUSPENSION, BUT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE WAS DEPENDING ON WHOEVER WAS IN CHARGE? NO, NO.
HE WAS RECOMMENDED FOR A, SORRY, DEPENDING, EXCUSE ME.
THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME CAME FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT OFFICERS IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
SO SOME SAID A ONE DAY SUSPENSION, SOME SAID THAT TWO DAY SUSPENSION.
ULTIMATELY THE DECISION WAS MADE TO GIVE HIM A LETTER OF REPRIMAND.
UM, OFFICER, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW, AGAIN, JUST SO BOTH SIDES ARE, ARE HEARD OPENLY.
UM, MS. ROSS DID HAVE A HISTORY, UM, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INVOLVING INTOXICATION, INVOLVING THE USE OF DRUGS.
AS YOU REVIEW THE DOCUMENT FILE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY ASKED HER POINT BLANK, ARE YOU INTOXICATED? ARE, HAVE WHETHER YOU TAKEN? AND, UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE HER EXACT PHRASING, BUT SHE DID GIVE A PHRASING THAT IMPLIED SHE HAD TAKEN SOMETHING AND SHE JUST DIDN'T REMEMBER.
ALSO, THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS THERE THAT HAD BEEN ON THE SCENE WITH HER ALSO MADE SEVERAL REFERENCES TO THE FACT THAT SHE HAD BEEN TAKEN, UH, SHE HAD TAKEN DRUGS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BODY CAMERA VIDEO, YOU'LL SEE MULTIPLE OFFICERS ON THE SCENE HAD INTERACTED WITH HER BEFORE, UM, AND KNEW ABOUT HER DRUG HISTORY.
I MENTIONED THAT TO SAY THAT WHEN, UH, UH, SENIOR CORPORAL MOODY SAW HER ONCE THEY ARRIVED AT THE CITY DETENTION CENTER, AND HE SAW HER INCAPACITATED IN HIS VIEW.
I, AS I SAID, I THINK FROM THE VIDEO, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, SHE'S UNCONSCIOUS.
BUT WHEN HE SAW HER IN THAT STATE, HE BELIEVED, AND THIS IS HIS TESTIMONY, THAT SHE WAS IN FACT SLEEP SUFFERING FROM THE EFFECTS OF DRUGS.
AND SHE WAS BASICALLY SLEEPING IT OFF.
HE CLAIMS THAT SHE WAS STILL, HE OBSERVED HER STILL BREATHING AND THAT SHE WAS STILL MOVING HER, MOVING HER FOOT WHEN THEY ARRIVED AT THE CITY DETENTION CENTER.
AND SO WHILE SHE WASN'T NON-RESPONSIVE, SHE WAS STILL DOING THOSE THINGS.
AND SO HIS ASSUMPTION WAS, OH, SHE'S NOT ACTUALLY HURT.
SHE'S JUST COMING DOWN FROM A HIGH, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, MY LAST QUESTION AND, AND, AND THIS COULD BE ANOTHER ONE FOR YOU, SIR, THAT MAYBE YOU COULD FIND OUT SOMETHING FOR ME, BECAUSE WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, OFFICER ORTEGA DECIDED TO QUIT.
I THINK THE WORD IS RE RESIGNED, CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE REPORT SAYS.
SO WHAT I, JUST, JUST FOR ME, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT ON MY MIND, BUT IT JUST REMINDED ME WHEN WE, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS, IS THERE A DATABASE THAT SHOWS WHEN, UM, POLICE OFFICERS RESIGN, GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT IF THEY ARE HIRED SOMEWHERE ELSE? GREAT QUESTION.
I'LL DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
DOES ANYONE OFF THE TOP OF HAND KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? THERE'S NOT.
AND THE MR. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14, THERE, THERE'S NOT, UH, AND THIS IS A, AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH, UH, POLICE OFFICERS DOING BAD THINGS, GETTING FIRED AND THEN GETTING REHIRED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, UH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, MR. CLARK, IF I, IF I MAY? YES, YES.
THIS ACTUALLY, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL LIKELY RECEIVE FROM ME, UM, THIS WEEK WHEN I SEND YOU ARTICLES OF IMPORTANT POLICE OVERSIGHT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, THIS IS AN ONGOING DEBATE ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN ONE OF THE STATES RIGHT NOW REGARDING BUILDING A DATABASE, NOT JUST FOR OFFICERS WHO ARE FOUND, UM, WHO ARE ACTUALLY FOUND TO HAVE COMMITTED WRONGDOINGS, BUT OFFICERS WHO ARE ACCUSED.
AND I WILL NOTE THAT IN OUR OWN STATE, THIS IS AN ACTIVE FIGHT THAT'S HAPPENING.
AND AGAIN, ANOTHER ARTICLE THAT YOU'LL RECEIVE, I JUST SENT IT, UH, TO MISS DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UH, THIS MORNING.
THIS IS AN ACTIVE FIGHT THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT DOWN THE STREET IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.
THEY HAVE A FILE THAT THEY KEEP FOR ALL THE COMPLAINTS.
THEY KEEP ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE AGAINST OFFICERS THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY FOUND SUBSTANTIATED.
THEY KEEP IT IN THIS FILE ACCORDING TO THEIR CITY ORDINANCE THAT THEY JUST PASSED.
THEIR OVERSIGHT BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE UNFETTERED, AND THAT'S THE QUOTE, UNFETTERED ACCESS TO THAT FOUL.
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CAN IMAGINE, THAT ACCESS HASN'T BEEN GIVEN BY THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.AND SO CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, TODAY, UM, THE AUSTIN POLICE ASSOCIATION FILED FOR A, FILED A PETITION FOR AN INTERVENTION IN FEDERAL COURT BECAUSE THE, UM, CITY IS BEING SUED BY AN ACTIVIST GROUP TO ENFORCE THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE, DEMANDING THAT THEY GET ACCESS TO THE G DEMANDING THAT THE OVERSIGHT BOARD GET ACCESS TO THAT G FILE.
THE ARGUMENT RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S AGAINST STATE LAW AND CURRENTLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SIDES WITH THE ASSOCIATION THAT THAT WOULD BE AGAINST STATE LAW.
SO THIS IS A, THIS IS AN ONGOING BATTLE.
I I KNOW NEW YORK HAD A SIMILAR BATTLE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS STILL A PROSECUTOR OVER THIS EXACT TYPE OF THING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THOSE RECORDS, WHEN THE ALLEGATIONS AREN'T SUBSTANTIATED, SHOULD BE INCLUDED, AND FOIL REQUESTS SHOULD BE GIVEN ACCESS TO EVEN DA'S OFFICES.
UM, THIS IS AN ONGOING FIGHT THAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION.
AND ALSO, I'LL BE CURIOUS, MAJOR ALANIS, ARE YOU STILL, UH, ON THE LINE BY CHANCE? YES, SIR.
UH, WE HAD A GREAT QUESTION, UH, FROM THE BOARD MEMBER, UH, ASKING, UH, WHETHER THERE IS A, A DATABASE AND MAYBE DALLAS HAS A DATABASE THAT, THAT KEEPS TRACK OF POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAVE A, A POOR RECORD, WHO HAVE COMMITTED, UM, UH, A CRIME.
UH, IS THERE AC, IS THERE A DATABASE THAT EXISTS THAT YOU KNOW OF? AND, UH, DOES DALLAS HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS THAT KEEPS TRACK OF THESE, THESE SORT OF THINGS? OKAY.
YOU, YOU MENTIONED A DATABASE WHERE AN OFFICER COMMITS A CRIME, NO, SORRY, UH, UH, MISCONDUCT, UH, MISCONDUCT WITHIN POLICE OFFICERS.
THOSE THAT USE EXCESSIVE FORCE, THOSE OFFICERS THAT ARE DISMISSED, UH, UNDER INVESTIGATION.
UH, IS THERE A DATABASE THAT KEEPS TRACK OF THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S INSTANCES WHERE, OF COURSE, THEY GET DISMISSED IN ONE CITY, BUT THEY CAN GET HIRED IN ANOTHER CITY, AND, UH, OFTENTIMES THAT DATA ISN'T SHARED.
DO YOU KNOW OF A DATABASE OUT THERE, UH, THAT KEEPS TRACK OF THAT? DOES DALLAS HAVE ANYTHING OF THE SORT? OKAY.
SO AS FAR AS THE DATABASE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO FIGURE OUT OR KNOW IF AN OFFICER IS THEN HIRED AT ANOTHER AGENCY? NO, SIR.
WE DO NOT HAVE THAT HERE IN DALLAS.
UM, WHAT I CAN TOUCH ON THAT IS KIND OF RELATED TO THE TOPIC THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW WOULD BE, UM, LET'S SAY AN OFFICER DOES RESIGN UNDER INVESTIGATION.
AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT CHIEF GARCIA HAS WANTED FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY, AND HE STILL WANTS US TO CONTINUE AS FAR AS WE CAN WITH THE INVESTIGATION, EVEN THOUGH THE OFFICER HAS, UM, LEFT THE DEPARTMENT WHILE UNDER INVESTIGATION.
SO WE WILL HAVE THOSE FILES HERE.
SO IF ANOTHER AGENCY, UM, DOES THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WHEN THEY ARE CONDUCTING A BACKGROUND CHECK OR A POTENTIALLY NEW HIRE FOR THEIR AGENCY, THAT IS INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD HAVE HERE WITH OFFICERS THAT RESIGNED UNDER INVESTIGATION, AND THEY CAN COME VIEW THAT INVESTIGATION.
MS. MAPLES, DO YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO AS, AS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND THIS, THIS, THIS MAY BE FOR YOU AS WELL, OR MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN ADD TO OUR REPORTING, IS IT'S WHEN A POLICE OFFICER IS ACCUSED OF, OF SOMETHING AND WE'RE GETTING OUR REPORT AND THE POLICE OFFICER IS LISTED IN THERE, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN FIND OUT, OR COULD IT BE A PART OF OUR REPORT TO SHOW ANY PAST PATTERNS? BECAUSE IF, IF MY NAME COMES UP AND YOU START LOOKING AND SAY, WELL, HE DID THAT TWO OR THREE TIMES IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, DO YOU, YOU FOLLOW WHERE I'M GOING? MM-HMM.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU KEEP TRACK OF MAJOR OR IS IT SOMETHING YOU COULD SHARE WITH US IN OUR REPORTING WHEN IT'S GIVEN TO THE BOARD? THAT IS, I THINK YOU'RE, OH, OKAY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WERE SEVERAL AT ONE TIME.
SO REGARDING THE TRACKING SYSTEM, RIGHT? YES.
IF AN OFFICER DOES GET COMPLAINED ON, UM, THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY ENTERED INTO OUR SYSTEM, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THE SYSTEM THAT WE UTILIZE HERE THAT KEEPS ALL THAT DATA, UM, THAT IS THEN PLACED ON WHAT IS CALLED A, UH, CONCISE RESUME, AN IED RESUME, AND THAT WILL SHOW ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT AN OFFICER HAS RECEIVED.
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AVAILABLE TO US? TO THE BOARD? TO THE BOARD? UH, I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE BOARD.I BELIEVE THAT THE MONITOR, UH, HAS FULL ACCESS TO ALL OF THAT.
UH, THE, THE MONITOR'S ABLE TO GO INTO OUR SYSTEM AND, AND ACCESS WHATEVER INFORMATION, INCLUDING THAT CONCISE RESUME.
SO, SO GOING FORWARD, CAN WE KINDA, IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO ATTACHED THAT THERE'S A PATTERN OR HISTORY, COULD YOU ADD THAT TO, TO WHAT HUNDRED PERCENT WAS GIVEN TO US? IT'S GOOD.
IT'S GOOD TO KNOW TOO THAT THE MONITOR DIRECTOR WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.
AND IT'S BY VISION FOR THE POLICY ANALYST FOR THAT TO BE PART OF THEIR ROLE.
SO WHEN WE DO HAVE COMPLAINTS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT THE POLICY VIOLATION THAT WAS SUSTAINED BY IED AND TO SEE HOW MANY TIMES THAT SAME POLICY OR OTHER SIMILAR POLICIES HAVE BEEN VIOLATED BY THAT INDIVIDUAL.
I, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO ALTHOUGH THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN AN INVESTIGATION, UM, THAT IS WHAT IS PROVIDED TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DISCIPLINE, AND THAT IS ALSO IN THE INVESTIGATION WHEN THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OR CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, ARE REVIEWING AN INVESTIGATION THAT COULD POTENTIALLY LEAD TO SOME DISCIPLINE.
UM, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, ID LOOK FOR OR TRACK WHEN WE ARE INVESTIGATING OUR CASES.
UH, EVERY COMPLAINT STANDS ON ITS OWN IN THIS OFFICE.
UH, AND THEREFORE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TREAT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY AND INDEPENDENTLY OF AN OFFICER'S, UH, HISTORY.
WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH OUR INVESTIGATIONS HERE IS PULLING ALL THE EVIDENCE, ALL THE INFORMATION, AND THEN, UM, PRESENTING THAT IN OUR, IN OUR FINAL FINDINGS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A MISCONCEPTION ON IED HAVING A DIFFERENT OUTCOME ON AN INVESTIGATION BASED OFF OF AN OFFICER'S RESUME OR HISTORY.
APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THIS, UH, FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? EXCELLENT.
UH, WE CAN NOW MOVE, UH, TO, UH, MEMO ITEM THREE I THREE I, AND THIS IS A COMPLAINT REVIEW PROCESS UPDATE.
UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE OCPO, ELAINE CHANDLER TO GIVE THIS UPDATE.
IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY IAD, UM, THAT OCPO, NOR THE BOARD HAD THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW COMPLAINTS THAT COME TO OUR OFFICE REQUESTING REVIEW IF THEY HAD NOT YET BEEN INVESTIGATED BY IAD.
WHEN I RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION, I REACHED OUT TO, WELL, FIRST I REVIEWED THE CITY, THE ORDINANCE TO SEE IF THAT, IN FACT, IN MY PERCEPTION WAS TRUE.
AND THEN I REACHED OUT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND TO ASK THEM FOR A LEGAL RESPONSE.
UM, PRIOR TO THE LEGAL RESPONSE, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DID SAY, UM, IN THEIR REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE, IT DOES APPEAR, OR IT IS THEIR OPINION, UM, THAT OCPO NOR THE BOARD CAN REQUEST OR ACT ON AN INVESTIGATION THAT, OR A COMPLAINT REVIEW, UM, BRING IT FORTH FOR INVESTIGATION IF IT HAS NOT YET ALREADY BEEN INVESTIGATED BY IED.
UM, SO I REQUESTED A FORMAL LEGAL RESPONSE.
UM, WHEN I WROTE THIS MEMO, I DID NOT HAVE THAT RESPONSE, BUT I HAVE SINCE RECEIVED THAT RESPONSE.
BUT IT IS A CONFIDENTIAL RESPONSE, SO I COULDN'T PUT IT IN THE BOARD PACKET.
BUT IT SUPPORTED THAT SAME OPINION THAT, UM, WE AS THE BOARD OR THE OFFICE OF OCPO CANNOT AGAIN, UM, REVIEW COMPLE OR, OR REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF COMPLAINTS UNLESS IAD HAS REVIEWED THEM.
UM, CAN WE, CAN WE REQUEST IAD TO REVIEW A COMPLAINT THAT MIGHT COME TO OUR ATTENTION? SO WE HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING WHERE WE REVIEW ALL OF THE VIDEOS THAT COME THROUGH.
AND IN THAT MEETING, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE, UM, IDENTIFY THAT WE FEEL LIKE IS PROBLEMATIC, WE DISCUSS IT IN THAT MEETING.
UM, TO THIS DATE, WHENEVER WE'VE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT ANY INTERACTION WITH DPD
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THAT WE'VE OBSERVED, UM, IAD HAS, UH, TAKEN ACTION TO RECTIFY, UM, THOSE, UH, CONCERNS THAT WE HAD.SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DIRECT AUTHORITY, BUT THEY DO IT ANYWAY.
BUT THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY, PERHAPS MR. CHAIR, WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT, UM, REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE AND SEEING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF STRENGTHENING THE ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO BOTH THE, UH, BOARD AND THE OFFICE.
JUST A RECOMMENDATION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
MR. FRIEDMAN, MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS IS, BUT THIS SEEMS TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE WHAT THE BOARD IS.
AM I
SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF A CITIZEN FILING A COMPLAINT WITH THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD? IF, IF IED CAN OVERRIDE THAT COMPLAINT, WHY DON'T THEY, WHY DOESN'T THE CITIZEN JUST GO COMPLAIN TO IED? WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE BOARD? AND IS THIS A CHANGE? BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE WAY WE'VE OPERATED IN THE PAST, AS FAR AS I KNOW.
SO WERE WERE, WAS THE ORDINANCE JUST NOT BEING ENFORCED FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS? IF I, IF I'M WRONG, SOMEBODY TELL ME I'M WRONG.
THIS IS, THIS MONUMENTALLY CHANGES.
THIS IS A BIG TOPIC THAT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD.
'CAUSE IT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES, UH, THE PROCESS.
AND WHAT IS BEING IMPLIED IS THAT HOW THE BOARD HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS BEEN CONTRARY TO THE ORDINANCE.
IF I MAY, OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS, I I DO THINK THAT THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES THAT, UM, I HAVE WITH HOW THIS IS WORDED.
AND THEN IF THEY DID NOT LIKE WHAT THEY HEARD OR RECEIVED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEN THEY COULD ALSO COME AND MAKE A COMPLAINT WITH OUR OFFICE.
UM, SO WHAT I'M GATHERING HERE WITH THIS INFORMATION IS THAT A COMPLAINANT CANNOT COME DIRECTLY TO THE, UH, BOARD WITH THEIR COMPLAINT.
AND SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF A COMPLAINANT DECIDES NOT TO GO TO IAD FOR WHATEVER THEIR FEAR OR APPREHENSION MAY BE, ARE, THEN WE, ARE WE THEN REQUIRED TO FORWARD THAT COMPLAINT? AND THEN ARE THEY REQUIRED TO ACT ON IT? SO I, I GUESS I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW THAT CHAIN OF ACTION TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF A CITIZEN DECIDES TO COME DIRECTLY TO US WITH AN ISSUE.
WHAT I WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAPPEN IS IF A CITIZEN CAME TO US WITH A COMPLAINT, AND THEN ID DECIDED NOT TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT DID NOT COME THROUGH THEIR PROCESS FIRST.
SO THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT CHAIN OF ACTION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND FIRST.
UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IS THAT A PERSON CAN COME AND COMPLAIN TO EITHER IAD OR TO OCPO.
UM, BUT IN EITHER CASE, IF IAD DECIDES NOT TO INVESTIGATE, OCPO CANNOT PRESENT THE COMPLAINT TO THE BOARD FOR A REVIEW.
AND THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE WE RECEIVED, UM, I THINK IT WAS IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, WE HAD FIVE COMPLAINTS, AND WE REVIEWED THOSE COMPLAINTS AND WE HAD TO GET RELEASE OF THE VIDEOS IN ORDER TO SHOW THOSE COMPLAINTS.
UM, AND SO THEN WE HAD ADDITIONAL THREE COMPLAINTS.
AND WHEN WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO GET THOSE ADDITIONAL, UH, RELEASES FOR THOSE VIDEOS, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEY CAN COMPLAIN, UM, AT EITHER PLACE.
IT'S JUST THAT OCPO NOR THE BOARD CAN VOTE TO INVESTIGATE SOMETHING THAT HASN'T FIRST BEEN INVESTIGATED BY IAD, MR. MR. CHAIR? YES.
I'M JUST GONNA, UH, I'M GONNA TRY AND FOLLOW THE DECORUM RULES THAT I HAD THAT I WAS SPEAKING TO EARLIER.
IT'S NOT WHAT I SAY, IT'S HOW I SAY IT.
UM, I'VE GOT REAL PROBLEMS WITH THIS.
FOR OVER TWO YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING INCORRECTLY.
AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BOTH OF THEM, HOW THEY ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN.
WE DO, WE DO NOT HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY IN THIS OFFICE, IN, IN THIS
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BUILDING, ASSISTING THIS BOARD WITH FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.AND I, THIS IS, SO HERE'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THAT I, THAT WE REACH OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND WE NEED TO REALLY COME DOWN TO, UH, WE NEED TO GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER ON THIS.
UM, BECAUSE IF THIS WERE IN EFFECT, WHAT HAPPENED WITH MR. DILL LANE WOULD BE WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT.
WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HELP HIM.
THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT PROCESS, THAT IS NOT GOVERNANCE.
THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT DOING BUSINESS.
UM, SO WHETHER WE NEED TO PUSH TO HAVE THE ORDINANCE UPDATE, BUT I I, I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND STRONGLY THAT THE NEXT MEETING, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PARTICIPATING EVERY MONTH IN THIS BOARD.
UM, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE NEED AN EXPLANATION FROM THEM.
CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, WHOEVER DECIDES THEY WANNA AFFLICT THE, THE PROVERBIAL, UH, WHATEVER.
UH, BUT I TO TO JUST SIT HERE AND GO, WELL, THESE ARE THE RULES.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT FROM THEM WHAT IT IS AND THEN WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE IT.
UM, I AGREE WITH VICE CHAIRMAN.
UM, WHAT I'D ALSO LIKE, AND I, YOU KNOW, I PUT THE CHALLENGE ON US, RIGHT? WE ARE THE BOARD.
UM, AND I KNOW WE HAVE A POLICY COMMITTEE.
AND SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE SOMEWHAT IN FLUX OF WHAT THOSE COMMITTEES ARE, WHAT THEY DO, WHEN THEY DO IT, AND HOW THEY DO IT.
UM, I THINK THE ONEROUS IS ON US TO REALLY DELINEATE WHAT ARE OUR CORE POLICY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
AND WHAT I FIND, AND THIS MAYBE IT'S JUST ME, MY CHALLENGE IS WE'LL HAVE AN ISSUE, WE'LL GO THREE MONTHS WITHOUT REALLY HEARING ANY UPDATES ON THAT ISSUE OR PUSHING THAT ISSUE.
AND THEN SOMEHOW IT GETS HIDDEN AND IT FALLS, YOU KNOW, BELOW, UM, THE, THE OBSERVATION LINE, IF YOU WILL.
UM, THEREFORE, I THINK WE KNEW DO NEED A ROBUST POLICY COMMITTEE THAT IS LOOKING AT WHAT WE FIND OUR ISSUES AND KEEP PUSHING UNTIL WE GET, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTION OR CHANGES THAT WE FEEL ARE ADEQUATE.
AND SO I, I PUT THAT CHALLENGE ON US.
'CAUSE NO ONE OUTSIDE, IT'S NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT IEDS, IT'S NOT THE CITIZENS.
IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO DRIVE THOSE CHANGES.
AND WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE INSIGHT THROUGH OUR, UH, DIRECTOR OF OVERSIGHT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, STAFF TO HELP US, TO ASSIST US GET THAT INFORMATION AND PUSH.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WILL BE, UM, PUTTING MYSELF OUT THERE TO SAY I'M OPEN, BUT WE NEED TO CAPTURE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE FOUND IN THE ORDINANCE OVER TIME THAT HAS CONTINUED TO BE A STICKLER OR A HINDRANCE OF US DOING THIS WORK AND ELEVATE IT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I, CAN I JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND? YES.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, UH, LIKE SEVERAL OF US HERE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A COMPLAINT CAN FILE WITH US OR CAN FILE WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS, BUT WHETHER THEY FILE WITH US OR INTERNAL AFFAIRS, IT IS REVIEWED BY BOTH US AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND WE'RE GETTING A REPORT EVERY MONTH ON WHAT WAS FILED AND WHAT WAS THE DISPOSITION OF IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT'S STILL THE PROCESS? THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, UM, IS ABLE TO REVIEW THE COMPLAINT WITH ID IN OUR WEEKLY MEETINGS? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, YES.
SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, YOU CAN FILE IN ONE OF TWO PLACES, RIGHT.
BUT WHETHER YOU FILE HERE OR THERE, THEY GET REVIEWED BY BOTH INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND YOU CORRECT.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN IF A DECISION IS MADE, WHETHER TO REFER IT OUT OR, OR NO INVESTIGATION OR WHATEVER, ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MR. LANE'S CASE, THEY SAID NO INVESTIGATION, AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY SAID THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VIDEO.
BUT REGARDLESS OF THE REASON, ARE YOU SAYING THAT AT THAT POINT, MR. LANE HAD NO ABILITY TO COME TO US AND SAY, I WANT YOU TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE THAT SITUATION TODAY IS THAT THE VIDEO WOULD BE REVIEWED, UM, IN THE OFFICE AND IN
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THE WEDNESDAY MEETING, THEN IT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF IED IN THE WEEKLY MEETING.I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THAT MAY BE NEW.
AND THEY GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
BUT ONCE EVERYTHING IS THERE, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME HERE? I THINK, UH, DOES HE EVER HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME HERE AND, WELL, I THINK IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE WAY THAT THIS IS, THE LETTER'S BEEN SAYING IS IT HAS TO GO THROUGH IAD INVESTIGATION FIRST.
AND SO EVEN IF THERE'S NO INVESTIGATION, UH, AND I THINK THE ISSUE IS ACCESS TO THESE VIDEOS, I THINK NO, MY, MY QUESTION IS REALLY MORE OF PROCESS AND MY, AND THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT POINT IS, BUT AT SOME POINT, DOES THE COMPLAINANT HAVE A RIGHT TO COME TO US AND SAY, WE WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS INDEPENDENT OF WHAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS DETERMINED AT SOME POINT, DOES THAT RIGHT EXIST? AND ARE YOU TELLING ME THE CITY ATTORNEY TOLD YOU IT DOES NOT.
THAT DOES NOT EXIST UNLESS I WANNA HEAR THAT FROM THEM.
I THINK ALL THIS DISCUSSION REALLY IS MEANING, IT'D BE GOOD TO GET HEAR FROM THEM.
IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO GET SOME, EXCUSE ME, GET, UH, SOMEONE HERE NEXT MEETING OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, THIS, THIS IS JUDGE LANDER FOR DISTRICT EIGHT.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS IS THAT A CITY ATTORNEY MUST BE AT EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETING.
WHERE IS OUR CITY ATTORNEY? WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES AND NOT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I, I, I HAVE, I HAVE A, A QUESTION YES.
FOR THE DIRECTOR, IN LIGHT OF THIS NEW INFORMATION, HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE DO, HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE DECIDE ON GOES TO IAD FIRST, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE ANY DECISION WE'RE MAKING IS AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY SEEN IT FIRST.
SO HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE DO IS PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT THEY ALREADY DID? I WOULD SAY NONE.
IAD APPARENTLY IS THE GATEKEEPER.
AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO INVESTIGATE, THEN WE ARE TOOTHLESS.
I I, I, I NEED, I HAVE A QUESTION.
AN ATTORNEY, MR. HIGGINS, YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP QUITE A WHILE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? YEAH.
SO BOARD, WE ARE BEING PLAYED STRAIGHT UP, AND IT'S OKAY TO SAY THAT WE'RE BEING PLAGUED WHEN MYSELF, THIS MAN SITTING RIGHT HERE, AND OTHERS SAT IN THAT ROOM AND NEGOTIATED WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED ON.
I DON'T CARE WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHAT WE SEE IN THAT ORDINANCE IS NOT WHAT WE AGREED UPON, OR WE WOULD'VE WALKED OUTTA THAT MEETING AND BURNED THE WHOLE PROCESS DOWN.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE AGREED UPON.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WENT BEFORE THE COUNCILMAN WAS VOTED UPON.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT LANGUAGE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR A GROUP OF ATTORNEYS MYSELF, THIS MAN AND OTHER PEOPLE BEEN FIGHTING ON THIS ISSUE, INCLUDING DIANE RAGSDALE, WHO'VE BEEN FIGHTING ON THIS ISSUE FOR YEARS TO SIT IN THAT ROOM AND AGREE TO THIS.
I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS WAS NOT THE INTENT, AND IT WAS NOT IN THE LANGUAGE OF THAT ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT THAT CITY COUNCIL VOTED ON.
UM, I WILL SAY THIS, I HAVE COME TO THIS BOARD OVER AND OVER WHEN I WAS JUST SITTING OUT THERE AS A WATCHDOG, AND I SAID, AND, AND THE COALITION THAT HELPED WRITE THE PROPOSAL THAT TURNED INTO THE ORDINANCE HAS A SPREADSHEET OF ALL THE GAPS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I'LL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME TO YOU GUYS JUST FOR, JUST FOR CONTEXT.
WHEN WE WALKED OUTTA THAT NEGOTIATION ROOM, THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT WHEN THE DIRECTOR WAS HIRED, SHE WOULD COME IN AND SHE WOULD CREATE POLICIES, PROTOCOLS, AND PROCEDURES THAT WE DID NOT PUT IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET IT PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT GAP OF BROADNESS HAS COME FROM THAT AGREEMENT WHERE WE AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE A PROCESS TO WHERE THE, THAT CITIZENS COULD COME TO EITHER US OR THEY COULD COME TO DPD IF, AND WE COULD DO CONCURRENT INVESTIGATIONS.
THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT WE HAD THAT CHANGED.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CHANGED IN THE TRANSLATION, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, ANOTHER THING THAT CHANGED IN THE TRANSLATION WAS, IS THAT IF THE BOARD SAW SOMETHING THAT THEY FELT LIKE VIOLATED THE PUBLIC TRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE,
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THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD LAUNCH THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION.THAT IS HOW DIAMOND ROSS INVESTIGATION STARTED, ACTUALLY.
SO, SO I'M TELLING YOU GUYS WE'RE BEING PLAYED.
THE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN ALTERED OVER TIME.
AND NOW WE'RE SITTING HERE HAVING A CITY ATTORNEY TELLING US THAT WE ARE GUTTED OF OUR POWER.
AND IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, I KNOW, I KNOW MY VICE CHAIR SAID HE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE AN ACTIVIST BOARD, OR HE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A BLUE BOARD, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT TO BE A TOOTHLESS BOARD.
YOU HEAR ME? WE HAVE TO TAKE THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT COALITION HAS BEEN MONITORING THIS PROCESS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
THEY HAVE ATTORNEYS WHO HAVE BEEN ANALYZING THIS WHOLE THING AND CAN GIVE THAT TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE AS A BASELINE TO START WITH.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE GET OUR POWER BACK, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, I WILL TELL CITY MANAGER TO HIS FACE, FORTUNE AND TC THAT THIS IS NOT WHAT WE AGREED UPON AND THEY KNOW IT.
SO WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE THAT MEETING, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO NOT ONLY HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE ME IN THAT ROOM THAT KNOWS WHAT WE AGREED UPON, BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THAT COALITION THAT AGREED UPON IT TOO, BECAUSE THEY WALKED OUTTA THAT MEETING AND SAID, IF WE CAN'T, THIS IS A HILL WE'RE WILLING TO DIE ON.
THEY WERE TRYING TO MODIFY THIS INVESTIGATORY POWER, AND WE SAID, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
WE BURN THIS WHOLE THING DOWN.
WE GO TO THE MEDIA RIGHT AFTER WE LEAVE HERE AND WE BURN IT DOWN AND THEY AGREED TO IT.
CAN I, SO I'M TELLING YOU AS A PIECE OF HISTORY THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS OURSELVES, OR WE ARE, WE'RE DOING DALLAS A DISSERVICE.
CAN I GO, CAN EVEN RESPOND, CAN I? YEAH.
LEMME, I JUST, FIRST OF ALL, I WASN'T PART OF ANY MEETINGS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS AGREED TO OR NOT AGREED TO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
ALL I KNOW IS A, WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE AND B, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.
SO MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS WHO IS TELLING YOU THE MONITOR THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO? AND I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK TO MR. LANE BECAUSE THAT'S JUST AN EASY EXAMPLE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF WHO IS TELLING YOU THAT? AS I MENTIONED, I REQUESTED A LEGAL REVIEW FOR THE, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS TELLING YOU THAT? THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WHO IN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? I'M, I'M NOT GONNA NAME NAMES, THE ONE THAT INTERIOR IT.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY.
IS ANYBODY ELSE TELLING YOU THAT IAD FIRST BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION? SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BOARD, WE HAVE AN OP OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR SOME ACTIONS, ANY MOTIONS AS FAR AS HOW DO WE RESPOND? CAN I ASK MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
THE CITY'S, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE GAVE OUR DIRECTOR A CONFIDENTIAL OPINION, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE TOLD US, RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE I, I DON'T BELIEVE THE OPINION WAS CONFIDENTIAL, BUT THE DOCUMENT WAS, SO I COULDN'T SHARE THE DOCUMENT.
AND YOU ALSO, BUT OF COURSE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD THE OUTCOME OF THE REQUEST FOR THE LEGAL REVIEW.
I'M GONNA, WHERE WHERE DOES THE SECRECY COME FROM? BECAUSE HONESTLY, THERE ARE A LOT OF LAWYERS IN THIS ROOM, AND WE CAN ALL READ ORDINANCES AND WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT IS STARING US RIGHT IN THE FACE.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GET PUSHED AROUND BY SECRET LAWYERS WHO AREN'T HERE AND DIDN'T WRITE US ANYTHING AND THAT, WHOSE NAMES YOU WON'T TELL US.
WELL, IT WAS A CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENT THAT WAS SENT TO ME.
SO THERE'S ONLY A LIMITED AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT I CAN SHARE.
BUT WHAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU IS WHAT I WAS TOLD AS FAR AS THE OUTCOME TO MY QUESTION.
BUT AS FAR AS THE FINE DETAILS, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING INTO THAT.
CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE UNDER PRESSURE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY OR FROM PLACES THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS, AND WE EITHER HAVE INVESTIGATORY ABILITY FROM IT OR WE DO NOT.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT EVEN AS THE ORDINANCE STANDS, THAT IT CAN BE INTERPRETED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN SECRET TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY.
WELL, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO REVIEW THE ORDINANCE YOURSELF.
I DID BEFORE I WENT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
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I DID REVIEW IT, UM, TO SEE IF I SAW ANY GAPS.AND, AND OF COURSE I HAVE, RIGHT? AND IF YOU REVIEW IT, IT FOR THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL, THEN I THINK THAT IT MAY BE MORE CLEAR TO YOU BECAUSE AFTER IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND I REVIEWED IT FOR THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC EVERYWHERE THAT IT MENTIONED INVESTIGATION, IT ALSO MENTIONED AFTER IAD COMPLETES THEIR INVESTIGATION.
AND AS I'VE UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE INTERPRETED IN THE PAST, WHEN IAD SAYS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO INVESTIGATE, THAT SATISFIES THE IAD HAS COMPLETED ITS INVESTIGATION REQUIREMENT THAT WAS COVERED AS WELL.
AND IT WAS STATED THAT THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED AN INVESTIGATION.
CAN I, CAN I BE CUT? MR. SMITH HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
MR. SMITH, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? THANK YOU.
UM, WE'RE EITHER GONNA LOOK IN THE REAR VIEW OR WE'RE GONNA LOOK OUT THE WINDSHIELD.
WE GOTTA LOOK OUT THE WINDSHIELD.
WE SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL IT.
THERE'S NO SENSE IN LOOKING AT THE DIRECTOR.
SHE'S RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION, WHETHER IT WAS CONFIDENTIAL OR NOT, I UNDERSTAND IT.
SHE, SHE'S IN HER POSITION AND, AND ACTS ACCORDINGLY.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AS A BOARD GOING FORWARD ON GENERAL ORDERS AND POLICIES THAT GUT THIS BOARD, MR. CHAIR, CAN I TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT? COME MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF FLAILING AROUND HERE IN THE DARK.
IF, IF, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS KIND OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YES, IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, THEN I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND ALL OUR MEETINGS WILL BE HERE FOR 30 MINUTES OR AN HOUR AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT ANYBODY ANTICIPATED.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, WHAT I'M BEING TOLD IS THAT THERE IS AN INTERPRETATION BY SOMEONE IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT I THINK ALL OF US PROBABLY DISAGREE WITH.
SO WHY ARE WE FLAILING RIGHT AHEAD? LET'S GET THAT PERSON HERE.
AND IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, LET'S ADDRESS IT AT THAT POINT.
BUT I THINK FOR US TO SIT HERE AND ARGUE ABOUT IT ISN'T GONNA DO ANY GOOD FOR ANYBODY.
ANY, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY MR. CHAIRMAN FRIEDMAN? I I JUST WANT TO READ, I DON'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF ME, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT I HAVE THE DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS AND THE MISSION STATEMENT OFF THE WEBSITE.
UH, IT SAYS THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, ITS DUTY AND FUNCTION IS TO DIRECT THE MONITOR OF THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
AND INDEPENDENT IS THE WORD, BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD IT OVER AND OVER IN MISSION STATEMENTS FOR THE LAST TWO PLUS YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD.
THE AUTHORITY OF THIS BOARD, THE POWER OF THIS BOARD IS TO CONDUCT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS.
IF IAD IS TELLING US WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T INVESTIGATE, THEN WE ARE NOT CONDUCTING INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING THE ENTIRE TIME I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD IS THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DO IS INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS.
SO IF THAT'S SOMEHOW CHANGED, THEN WE NEED A BRIEFING FROM THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE COUNCIL, SOMEBODY, BECAUSE MY JOB SUDDENLY CHANGED, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT REALLY PLEASED WITH THAT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT DEFANGS THIS BOARD AND TAKES AWAY THE ONLY REAL AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE EVER HAD, WHICH IS INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS.
MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MS. WADSWORTH.
UM, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, AND I CAN TELL YOU, WE WERE ALWAYS CHARGED WITH TAKING REPORTS DIRECTLY IN WRITING FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, REVIEWING THEM, DISCUSSING THEM, VOTING ON WHETHER TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION OR NOT.
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN PRESENT IN THESE MEETINGS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND NEVER, EVER, NOT ONE TIME VOICE, SOME ANONYMOUS OPINION THAT WE COULD NOT VOTE TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
I AM FLABBERGASTED, MS. CHANDLER, YOU DIDN'T BRING THIS UP TO US IMMEDIATELY ON FEBRUARY 7TH.
WE COULD HAVE SPENT A WEEK TALKING ABOUT IT.
NOW, WHAT I THINK EACH ONE OF US ON THIS BOARD NEEDS TO DO IS IN THE MORNING BE IN CONTACT WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND TELL THEM THERE'S AN ANONYMOUS PERSON IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHO'S TRYING TO GUT THE BOARD.
MR. MR. LET ME JUST ADD ONE FINAL THING.
I RECALL ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS, DOESN'T MAKE A BIT OF SENSE.
AND, AND TO ME, I, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TALKING AMONG OURSELVES HERE AND GETTING NOWHERE WITHOUT SOMEONE HERE TO TELL US HOW DID YOU GET TO THIS POINT? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND IF THEY'VE GOT A WAY TO, TO GET THERE AND IT, IT'S CORRECT.
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WITH IT, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.SO, BUT I WILL TELL YOU ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, I HEARD MS. MCCLARY SAY IN FRONT OF ALL OF US, SHE COULD DO AN INVESTIGATION IF SHE WANTED TO WITHOUT ANY ACTION.
AND, AND SO I, THAT WAS STATED HERE ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, WHETHER SHE WAS RIGHT OR NOT, I NEVER LOOKED AT IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK SHE EVER DID IT.
BUT AS WAS POINTED OUT BY MS. WADSWORTH, WE'VE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT HAD THE CITY ATTORNEY'S REPRESENTATIVE HERE IN THE ROOM.
AND NO ONE EVER SAID, WAIT A SECOND, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND SO TO ME, FOUR YEARS OF DOING IT A CERTAIN WAY IS CERTAINLY PART OF THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT CORRECTLY.
I THINK WE GOT THE CITY MANAGER ON THE LINE.
WELCOME, UH, TO THE, DO YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS, UH, ISSUE FOR THE BOARD? SURE.
UH, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
FIRST OF ALL, I I I THINK THE DIALOGUE HAS BEEN CORRECT TONIGHT AND I WANT TO THANK THE INTERIM DIRECTOR.
I THINK, UH, FOR ONE, UH, JUST, UH, BEING ABLE TO RESPOND, UH, AS SHE, UH, HAS DONE ALL EVENING TO MANY OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND SO, UH, LET ME JUST FIRST SAY, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, ONE, I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE OF THE BOARD.
UH, BUT AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, UM, I WOULD SAY I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND I DON'T EVEN PLAY ONE AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK.
BUT IT IS CLEARLY OUTLINED, UH, IN THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD THAT THE DIRECTOR, UH, THE BOARD CAN DIRECT OR REQUEST THE DIRECTOR TO INITIATE AN INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION INTO A COMPLAINT BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS PERIOD.
AND SO I THINK WHERE THERE'S SOME CONFUSION IS, AND I THINK THE QUESTION WAS WHAT RECOURSE, UH, IF IN FACT THERE IS NOT AN INVESTIGATION, AND I THINK WE CAN GET SOME INTERPRETATION FROM THAT, BUT I THINK IT SAYS AS SET FORTH IN SECTION 37 DASH 32.3.
AND WHEN YOU READ THAT, IT CLEARLY STATES WHEN THE BOARD IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION, INVESTIGATION OF A CRITICAL INCIDENT OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT, WHICH IS PROPERLY BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD MAY DIRECT THE DIRECTOR TO INITIATE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION INVESTIGATION OF A CRITICAL INCIDENT OR AN EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT.
THE ONE THING THAT THEY CANNOT DO, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN THE QUESTION OR CONCERN, IS WHEN IT'S A DIVISION REFERRAL.
UH, THEN IN FACT THOSE DO NOT, AND ARE NOT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE BOARD.
SO I THINK, AS YOU KNOW, ELAINE HAD INDICATED, UH, I THINK THE WORDS THAT MAY NOT HAVE TRANSLATED THE CORRECT WAY WERE, WE CAN, OR THE BOARD CAN INVESTIGATE OR ASK THAT FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ONCE IN FACT SOME REVIEW OR INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
AND SO AGAIN, WE'LL ENSURE AT LEAST THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BUT IT'S PLAIN, PLAINLY WRITTEN IN YOUR DUTIES.
AND SO THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UH, REQUEST THE MONITOR TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
UH, BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, DIRECTED TOWARDS THE CITY MANAGER? YES.
MR. UM, MR. BROECK, JUST ONE, ONE QUESTION TO CLARIFY IT FOR ME.
UM, AND THAT IS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE DONNELL LANE MATTER.
I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU TO GET INTO THE MERITS OF IT, BUT IS THAT A TIP, A TYPE OF MATTER THAT YOU WOULD AGREE THAT WE HERE CLEARLY HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ONCE IAD IS THROUGH WITH THEIRS? SO I WILL GO TO, IN MY OPINION, WHAT THE ORDINANCE SPEAKS TO.
AND IF IN FACT YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOMES OF THAT INVESTIGATION, I DO BELIEVE, UH, BASED ON MY READING, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REQUEST, UH, INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
WE, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU JUMPING ON THE LINE WITH US HERE.
WELL, SINCE Y'ALL GOT ME, IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR IF WE CAN GO BACK? YES, WE HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, AND I, I GUESS MR. BROADMAN, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, IN WHAT IF IAD COMES, UM, REVIEWS AND RE DECIDES THAT IT'S A NO INVESTIGATION, UH, AND NO INVESTIGATIONS GIVEN BY THE IAD, WHAT, I GUESS POWER OR, OR DOES THE BOARD THEN HAVE ANY SORT OF RIGHT TO REQUEST ANY INDICATION, ANY
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INVESTIGATION WHEN IAD CHOSE NOT TO INVESTIGATE ACCORDING TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING? SO, MR. CHAIR, THAT YES.WELL, LEMME SAY THIS, THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT I WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO TALK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON.
UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THE STRAIGHT, UH, LETTER, UH, LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO INVESTIGATE, I'D HAVE TO GET SOME LEGAL, UH, OPINION ON THAT BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE VERY CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW AS I READ IT.
MR. SMITH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, YES.
UH, MR. BRUNICK, UH, OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE.
UM, JUST TO FOLLOW WITH WHAT YOU SHARED WITH US, UM, WOULD YOU ALSO THEN, I GUESS, STATE KIND OF FOR THE RECORD, THAT YOU WOULD BE ON BOARD THAT SINCE WE HAVE WHAT SEEMS TO BE DISCREPANCIES IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE GENERAL ORDERS AND, UH, WHAT'S ACTUALLY OUTLINED IN THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD, THAT WE NEED SOME CLEANUP, IF YOU WILL, OF THAT LANGUAGE SO THEY TIE TOGETHER.
BECAUSE IF, FOR EXAMPLE, WE ALL LEAVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER INTERIM, UM, UH, DIRECTOR, AND THEN SOMEONE READS THAT ORDINANCE AGAIN AND COMES BACK AND SAYS, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT POWER.
SO HOW DO WE CLEAN UP SO WE HAVE CLARITY GOING FORWARD? SO, UH, I'LL STATE THAT ONE.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, SO IT MAY BE CLEAR TO AN ATTORNEY AND IT MAY BE WORDING BEYOND AND OVER AND ABOVE WHAT I'M READING, UH, IN SECTION 37 32.
UH, THAT COULD BE LATER IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO MISCONSTRUE THAT IT COULD NOT BE ADDRESSED.
I'M SAYING TO YOU, I HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED THAT IN MY READINGS.
UH, AS IT RELATES TO GENERAL ORDERS, UH, VERSUS THE ORDINANCE, I WOULD SAY THIS, THE ORDINANCE, UH, IS THE ORDINANCE.
AND SO IF THE ORDINANCE, UH, ADDRESSES THAT OR IT DOESN'T, THEN I THINK INDEPENDENTLY YOU WOULD WANT TO, IF THAT'S A CONCERN, UH, YOU KNOW, REFRESH OR, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORDINANCE.
BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST READING, UH, THE SECTIONS.
'CAUSE THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME DOUBT THAT YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO, UH, PUT FORTH AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
I THINK I HEARD THAT STATEMENT MADE AS IF SOMETHING HAD CHANGED.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN REGARD TO THE ORDINANCE, SO THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THERE HAVE BEEN ANY INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS DONE.
UH, BUT YOU'RE NOT PRECLUDED FROM IT.
BUT AGAIN, I WILL CHECK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TOMORROW TO TRY TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THAT CASE.
AND IF THEY FEEL THAT THE, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE IT'S UNCLEAR AND THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THAT, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENT IN MAKING SURE THAT CLARIFICATION WAS MADE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS DIRECTED TOWARDS CITY MANAGER? YES.
MR. BRONA, THIS IS VICE CHAIR REVIS, DISTRICT SEVEN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
CAN UM, WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WE SPEAK TO ABOUT HAVING PRESENCE HERE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE THAT, UH, REQUEST OR COMMENT.
I'M NOT SURE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE OR CONFLICT TONIGHT.
UH, I'LL ADDRESS THAT TOMORROW, UH, DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY MYSELF.
IT IS THAT A REQUEST OF THE BOARD? THAT ONE, I'M ASSUMING THAT IN MANY CASES CITY ATTORNEYS ARE ALWAYS PRESENT, AND I'M NOT SURE WITH EVERY BOARD, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE GOING FORWARD? AND I'LL MAKE THAT REQUEST IF IT IS JUDGE LANDER HERE.
UH, DISTRICT A MR. BROAD NEXT.
UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, HAVING SERVED ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS, THAT A CITY ATTORNEY IS SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENT AT ALL, UH, COMMISSION MEETINGS OR BOARD MEETINGS.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE.
UH, I'M ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, MY TEAM AND, AND MY STAFF.
AND SO AGAIN, I'LL DIRECT THAT QUESTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IF THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A SCHEDULING CONFLICT TONIGHT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT I WILL RAISE THAT.
UH, ACTUALLY I TRIED TO CALL HER, UH, BEFORE I JUMPED ON THE CALL JUST TO SEEK, UH, AND TRY TO GET A CITY ATTORNEY MAYBE ON THE ONLINE PORTION OF THE CALL, UH, IF THEY WERE NOT PRESENT.
BUT I'LL ADDRESS THAT IN THE MORNING.
ALRIGHT, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
MR. FRIEDMAN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SORRY, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT MY FIRST YEAR ON THE BOARD, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS PRESENT AT EVERY MEETING AND THEN SUDDENLY WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, UH, HE STOPPED SHOWING UP.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED, BUT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER JUMPING ON TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS ADDRESSED.
YOUR PRESENCE WAS VERY APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING IN AND FOR PROVIDING SUCH GREAT INSIGHTS ON THAT.
AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON OUR END, UM, AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AS FAR AS WHAT YOU FIND OUT AND ALSO COORDINATE WITH THE DIRECTOR ON WHAT YOU FIND TOMORROW IN DISCUSSING, UH, ALL THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND SURE.
AND LISTEN, I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T GO BACK IN THE AGENDA, BUT I THINK I WAS LISTENING
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TO MUCH OF THE CALL, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE STAFFING ISSUES.AND SO TO SAVE A MEMO, UH, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE IF YOU WANTED TO, IF, BUT THAT MAY BE OUT OF ORDER.
UH, BUT I'M ON THE CALL, SO YOU GOT ME.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WAS REFERENCED TO ME PRIOR TO THAT, I'M OPEN TO THAT WHILE I'M ON THE THE CALL.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT OFFER.
AND I THINK IT'S WORTH, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, WORTH THAT OPPORTUNITY, I WANTED TO GIVE THAT TO THE BOARD AS WELL.
ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TO THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING A HIRING PROCESS, UM, WHETHER THAT'S WITHIN THE OFFICE OF, UH, THE O-C-E-P-O OR, UH, THE DIRECTOR? CHAIRMAN? YES.
D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12 CITY MANAGER.
SINCE YOU'RE PUTTING IN A NEW, UH, HR SYSTEM FOR EMPLOYMENT APPLICATIONS EFFECTIVE TOMORROW AND YOU'RE CLOSING THE DIRECTOR POSITION ON THE 16TH, MY CONCERN WAS THERE MIGHT BE GLITCHES IN THE SYSTEM.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN TESTED AND EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK SOME DELAY IN CLOSING THESE POSITIONS THAT ARE SET TO CLOSE PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER YOU SWITCH OVER TO A NEW SYSTEM MIGHT BE ADDRESSED.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES WE HAD EARLY ON, I THINK WITH THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND, UH, THE INCORRECT JOB DESCRIPTION BEING POSTED.
SO WE DID EXTEND THE SEARCH FOR THAT.
I WILL LOOK AT, UH, AND IF THERE WERE ANY IMPACTS ON, UH, THE CURRENT, UM, YOU KNOW, PROCESS TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, FOLK COULDN'T APPLY.
UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, I THINK AS THE BOARD HAS EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN, UH, THEY ARE EAGER, UH, TO MOVE ALONG IN THE PROCESS TO HIRE PERMANENT DIRECTOR.
UH, I'VE ACTUALLY, UH, BEEN FOLLOWING UP WITH MY TEAM, UH, TO ENSURE THAT IF WE'RE NOT GETTING THE TYPE OF APPLICANTS THAT WE MAY SEEK A DIFFERENT ROUTE IN HOW WE GO ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOLICITING, UH, FOR THAT JOB.
SO WE'LL TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
UH, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING, I THINK THIS BLOCKOUT PERIOD, THIS ADVERTISEMENT HAD STARTED BEFORE THAT HAPPENED.
UH, AND SO, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT HAS IMPACTED, BUT I WILL DEFINITELY CHECK WITH HR AND SEE IF THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN COMING IN.
I'VE STILL BEEN RECEIVING APPLICATIONS, UH, FOR OTHER POSITIONS, UH, AND FILES.
SO I KNOW PEOPLE ARE STILL ABLE, UH, TO MAKE APPLICATIONS.
UH, BUT I THINK THAT MAY HAVE JUST AFFECTED CIVIL SERVICE POSITIONS.
AND SO THE DIRECTOR'S POSITION IS NOT A CIVIL SERVICE POSITION.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME REGARDING STAFFING OCPO, THE DIRECTOR TOWARDS, UH, ADDRESSED TOWARDS CITY MANAGER RODNICK? YES.
I THINK WHAT YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ON, UM, EARLIER IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO PUT A PAUSE ON HIRING.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THOSE WHO WANTED THAT RE RECOMMENDATION, BUT I THINK THE INTENT WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOME BOARD INVOLVEMENT, UM, IN THE SELECTION OF THE DIRECTOR AND KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS OF, UH, HIRING THE DIRECTOR.
SO ANY, UM, TIMELINING OR PROCESSING PROCESSES THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH THE BOARD.
AND ALSO, UM, ENLIGHTENING HOW THE BOARD COULD ALSO BE ACTIVELY INVOLVED, UM, IN THE SELECTION OR, UH, PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, TO CANDIDATES FOR THAT POSITION.
AND SO I DID GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LISTEN TO, UH, MUCH OF THAT CONVERSATION.
SO LET ME START, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE FROM THE BEGINNING AND THEN END WITH THAT LAST, UH, COMMENT.
AND SO, SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME STATEMENT MADE CORRECTLY, UH, BY THE INTERIM DIRECTOR, UH, CHANDLER, AROUND WHAT HAD TRANSPIRED, UH, DURING LAST YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS.
THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS OF POSITIONS, UH, THAT THE COUNCIL LOOKED AT LAST YEAR, UH, IN THEIR DESIRE, UH, TO REDUCE, UH, EXPENDITURES IN THE BUDGET.
THERE WAS A SET OF POSITIONS THAT THE CITY HAD, UH, ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE, UH, VACANT 18 MONTHS, UH, OR MORE THAN 12 MONTHS, BETWEEN 12 AND 18 MONTHS.
AND IN SOME CASES, HONESTLY, THOSE POSITIONS WERE BEING HELD, UH, TO PRESERVE BUDGET, BUT IN SOME CASES THEY WERE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS AND OR SOME OTHER ISSUES AROUND REORGANIZATIONS THAT PREVENTED THEM FROM BEING HIRED.
UH, SO THE COUNCIL, UH, ELECTED TO ELIMINATE THOSE POSITIONS THAT HAD BEEN VACANT FOR MORE THAN 12 MONTHS, AND THAT IMPACTED PROBABLY ABOUT 200 POSITIONS IN THE CITY AND SAVED ABOUT $6.8 MILLION.
AND SO THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYER DOLLARS BEING WASTED IN THAT CASE.
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WASTED, UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN BACK AS A TAX REDUCTION 'CAUSE THE POSITIONS WEREN'T FILLED.THERE WAS ANOTHER BUCKET OF POSITIONS.
THERE WERE ABOUT A HUNDRED AND, UH, 50 OR SO PLUS OR MINUS POSITIONS THAT WERE VACANT 12 MONTHS OR LESS.
UH, AND, BUT IN THAT INITIAL BUCKET, UH, MS. CHANDLER WAS CORRECT.
THERE WAS ONE POSITION IN THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT THAT HAD NOT BEEN FILLED, UH, FOR THAT WHOLE PROBABLY ABOUT 15 TO 18 MONTHS.
SO IT GOT ELIMINATED HER CONCERN, UH, ABOUT WAITING IN MINE AS WELL.
QUITE HONESTLY, IF IN FACT, THERE'S POSITIONS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED IS, I DON'T WANT TO END UP IN THAT SAME POSITION NEXT YEAR AS IT RELATES TO THE BUDGET.
SO HER CONCERN ABOUT URGENCY, UH, IS DULY NOTED, AND I HAVE INSTRUCTED ALL DEPARTMENTS, UH, TO, IF THEY'VE GOT POSITIONS THAT THEY PLAN TO FILL OR THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO WORK AGGRESSIVELY TO FILL THEM.
NOW SHE'S BEEN FILLING THOSE AT MY REQUEST BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, UH, THE OFFICE HAS TO FUNCTION.
THEY HAVE TO DO INTAKE, THEY HAVE TO PROCESS, UH, THE AGENDA, AND THEY HAVE TO JUST BE THERE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
AND SO, UH, IN THAT REGARD, UH, I'VE INSTRUCTED HER TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.
UH, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT A NEW DIRECTOR WHEN HIRED, UH, YOU KNOW, EVALUATES AND LOOKS AT THE TEAM, UH, THAT WILL BE HIS OR HER RESPONSIBILITY TO EVALUATE THE TALENT ON THEIR TEAM.
BUT IN NO WAY ARE WE HIRING PEOPLE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE CAN FULFILL THE ROLES IN THE JOB AS IT RELATES TO THE BOARD'S PURVIEW AND LET'S JUST LEVEL SET THERE, UH, THE BOARD SHOULD NOT AND DOES NOT HAVE ANY ROLE IN ANY POSITION, WHETHER CONSULTATIVE AND OR INVOLVEMENT IN ANY POSITION BELOW THE DIRECTOR.
THAT IS NOT ANY BOARD'S PURVIEW, EXCEPT FOR IN SOME CASES, UH, THE PARKS BOARD, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN GET TO HIRE AND OR BE INVOLVED IN ANYTHING BUT HIRING, UH, DIRECTOR.
BUT IN THIS CASE, AS IT RELATES TO THE DIRECTOR POSITION, THE BOARD QUITE CLEARLY WILL BE INVOLVED AT SOME LEVEL.
WE'LL BE COORDINATING WITH THE CHAIR TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WORKS.
NO DIFFERENT THAN WHEN WE HIRED OUR FIRST MONITOR.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF PROCESS THAT INVOLVES EVEN EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, UH, AND JUST REALLY FOLLOW THE SAME THING AND MAYBE TWEAK IT BASED ON SOME CONSULTATION WITH THE BOARD CHAIR.
SO THAT WAS ALWAYS, UH, THE PRACTICE.
UH, EVEN WHEN WE GOT TO, UH, NARROWING DOWN APPLICANTS, THERE WOULD BE A CONVERSATION AS PRESCRIBED IN THE ORDINANCE WITH MYSELF AND THE CHAIR, AND THEN WORK THROUGH HOW WE INVOLVE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AS WELL AS EXTERNAL PEOPLE TO GET TO KNOW WHOEVER IT IS WE MIGHT BE CONSIDERING.
WE HAVEN'T LAID OUT THE SCHEDULE YET, OTHER THAN JUST TRYING TO GET A POOL OF APPLICANTS.
AND THEN WE'LL DO THE SAME AS DIRECTOR CHANDLER TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AS FAR AS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE BOARD'S INVOLVEMENT IS MUCH LARGER, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
UH, IT WILL INVOLVE THE CHAIR AND I, UH, CONSULTING ON, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO IN FACT WE MAY WANT TO NARROW THE LIST DOWN TO.
AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THE, UH, LETTER OF THE LAW, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT, UH, THE CHAIR'S INVOLVEMENT, BUT THEN AGAIN, ALSO THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, UH, AND, UH, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
AND SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT TO YOU FOR THE RECORD.
THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD, UH, TO WEIGH IN.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE.
ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FOR CITY MANAGER? WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENCE AND YOUR TIME.
AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING IN, UH, AND FOR, UH, HOPPING ON TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY.
UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, REGARDING, UH, MEMO, UH, THREE I, UH, ARE THERE ANY ACTION ITEMS, ANY MOTIONS THAT THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE TO INITIATE IN REGARD TO, UH, THIS? OKAY, WELL, NOT AN ACTION ITEM.
UH, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO PLACE MYSELF ON WHATEVER POLICY COMMITTEE OR REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE COMMITTEE THAT IS CREATED, UH, ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE.
UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MY NAME IS IN THERE.
AND CHAIRMAN FREEMAN, YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE POLICY COMMITTEE, IS THAT CORRECT? I AM.
SO, UH, YEAH, WE CAN, UH, YOU CAN PROBABLY DEAL WITH HIM ON THAT AND, AND COORDINATE WITH, UH, CHAIRMAN FREEMAN IF, IF, UH, YEAH, I DON'T VOLUNTEER MUCH, BUT I'LL VOLUNTEER FOR THAT.
UH, MR. HIGGINS, UH, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP ONCE AGAIN THAT WE DID, UH, VOTE TO REQUEST THAT WE GET THAT SOP FOR THE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROCESS, AND WE HAVEN'T GOT
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THAT YET.UM, JUST WANNA PUT THAT BACK ON, BUBBLE THAT BACK UP AS WE STILL WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT.
ITS, APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I JUST WANNA TIE UP A LOOSE ENDS ON, ON THREE I.
SO DO WE, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST OR ARE WE MAKING A FORMAL REQUEST THAT SOMEONE FROM THE CITY'S, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL BE HERE TO BRIEF US, UH, A MONTH FROM NOW? I DON'T THINK, UH, NO FORMAL REQUEST.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH? UH, YES.
I, I CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST ON THE BOARD'S BEHALF.
SO AS THE BOARD, WE ARE REQUESTING, UH, THROUGH, UH, THE OCPO DIRECTOR, UH, SHE WILL COORDINATE, UM, AND SPEAK FOR THE BOARD AND REQUEST ON OUR BEHALF, UH, AN ATTORNEY TO BE PRESENT NEXT MEETING FROM THE CITY, AND ALL MEETINGS THAT CAN, UH, BE ABLE TO, TO, UH, WALK US THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND, UH, BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER ITEM ON THREE I, UH, LET'S GO TO FOUR.
UH, OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, JANUARY, 2024 REPORT.
UH, WE HAVE THE OCPO INTAKE SPECIALIST JAMES GRIFFIN.
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES JAMES TO GIVE, UH, YOUR REPORT ON ITEM FOUR, MR. CHAIR.
UH, I NEED THE MICROPHONE IS MICROPHONE ON MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, FOR, TO TALK ABOUT OUR MONTHLY REPORTS.
UM, SO DURING THE MONTH OF JANUARY, THERE WERE 34 COMPLAINTS THAT WERE PROCESSED THAT CAME THROUGH, UH, OCPO.
ALL OF THOSE COMPLAINTS ARE ATTACHED BELOW IN THE MEMO BELOW.
UM, AS WELL AS, UH, ANY ISSUES OR CON CONCERNS THAT WE, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, MYSELF, WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THE COMPLAINTS HAD WITH, UH, UH, THE COMPLAINTS AND, AND, UH, OR IF WE'RE WE'RE MONITORING THEM THAT WERE, WERE NOTED IN OUR WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH, UH, IAD.
UM, AND THAT REPORT IS ATTACHED, UH, IN YOUR PACKET.
THANK YOU BOARD, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UH, AND, UH, DOES ANY BOARD, DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, TO OUR INTAKE SPECIALIST, JAMES GRIFFIN, REGARDING THE DOCUMENT? HE PREPARED THE REPORT.
SO EVERY OF THE 34 EVERY ONE WAS A NO INVESTIGATION? NO THAT, NO, THAT, THAT IS NOT, UH, THAT, NO, UH, IF THERE WAS, IF IT WAS A NO INVESTIGATION, THAT'S LISTED, AND THEN SOME OF THEM WERE DIVISION REFERRALS, SOME OF THEM WERE, UM, UH, THAT, THAT, AND THEN IT, BUT THAT IS NOT THERE, THERE WERE DIVISION REFERRALS.
AND LET ME, OH, NO, I, I SEE, UH, NOW I SEE, UH, ONE DIVISION REFERRAL, UH, OF, OF, OF THE ONES THAT, THAT, THAT HERE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AT THE BOTTOM THERE WERE, UM, UH, THERE'S A, I, THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY END, THERE'S THE, IT'S A 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 THAT WE HAD A IA INVESTIGATION.
WE HAD, UH, THERE WAS A IA INVESTIGATION, TWO IA INVESTIGATIONS, AND THREE DIVISION REFERRALS OF THOSE 34 COMPLAINTS.
AND THERE ARE ALSO OTHER COMPLAINTS.
THESE WERE JUST THE COMPLAINTS THAT CAME IN TO OCPO, BUT WE ALSO DO PROCESS THE COMPLAINTS FROM DPD AS WELL, UM, WHICH WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS, BUT THE, SO THERE'S A LOT MORE COMPLAINTS THERE.
BUT THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT WERE, THAT WERE INITIATED WITH OCPO.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ADDRESSED TO JAMES REGARDING THIS REPORT? I, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
NO, I, MY, UH, JUDGE LANDER HERE, UM, YOU HAVE INDICATED MONITORING ON THAT, UH, FOLLOW UP SHEET ON SEVERAL OF THESE, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT EIGHT OR 10 OF THEM.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY MONITORING? SO, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMPLAINTS AND MAKE OUR DETERMINATIONS, AND THEN WE, WE, UH, THEN WE CONSULT WITH IAD AND GO THE COMPLAINTS AND THEY TELL US, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE HELD OVER FOR AN EYE INVESTIGATION OR A DIVISION REFERRAL, WE THEN MONITOR THAT AND MAKE A NOTE SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT DIVISION REFERRAL, WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT INVESTIGATION.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE MONITORING, THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE, THAT'S, WE'RE KEEPING ACTIVE NOTES SO THAT WHEN
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WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF THE CASE STATUS.ALRIGHT, SO I'LL ASSUME THAT, UH, WHEN YOU GOT MONITORING, YOU'LL BE MAKING A REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD AS TO THE RESULT OF YOUR MONITORING.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE JAMES, THAT JUST REALLY MEANS THE OFFICE IS MONITORING NOT HIS ROLE AS INTAKE PARTICULARLY.
AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE POLICY ANALYST WOULD GO BACK AND MONITOR THOSE, UM, INVESTIGATIONS AND DIVISION REFERRALS TO SEE WHAT THE OUTCOMES WERE AND AGAIN, REVIEW TO SEE HOW MANY TIMES THEY'VE HAD THOSE SAME VIOLATIONS AND JUST SEE WHAT THE POLICY VIOLATIONS AND THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE VIOLATIONS ARE.
SO IF I SEE, UM, UH, IN THIS MONTH'S REPORT MONITORING, AND I SHOULD EXPECT NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH AFTER TO BE SOME KIND OF A REPORT ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT HAS BEEN MONITORED, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? AND IN THAT CASE, WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS THE UPCOMING MEETING REMINDER.
UH, THE NEXT C UH, POB MEETING WILL BE MARCH 12TH, 2024.
COINCIDENTALLY, THAT'S SPRING BREAK WEEK, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'LL BE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT ON THAT ONE.
UM, IT'S BE A TOUGH, IT'S A TOUGH WEEK, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS THE DATE SET MANY MONTHS AGO.
UH, BUT THAT IS THE DATE, UH, MARCH 12TH, UH, 2024.
UH, THERE, UH, THE, THERE'S NO ATTACHMENT RIGHT NOW THAT THAT SHARES THE 2 20 24 SCHEDULE, BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO PAST AGENDAS, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE, UH, THE LIST OF MEETINGS FOR THE REMAINDER OF 2024.
WANTED TO OPEN UP THE, THE FLOOR, UM, RIGHT NOW TO, UH, WELCOME ANY SPEAKERS, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF THIS MEETING.
UH, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND, AND SAY A FEW WORDS AND, UH, REMEMBER THE, UH, THE, THE GUIDELINES, UH, ONE TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, AND IF YOU COULD TURN, MAKE, TURN THE MICS ON, SET YOUR NAME AND, UH, WE'LL START THE THREE MINUTES, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'M MINISTER DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER, PRESIDENT OF THE NEXT GENERATION ACTION NETWORK.
WHEN I CRY, THIS CITY SHOULD REALLY BE AWARE.
ORGANIZERS, PEOPLE DIED IN THIS CITY.
I AIN'T NEVER BEEN MORE DISAPPOINTED A DAY IN MY LIFE THAN WHAT I SAW AT THIS FOOLISHNESS.
I'VE SACRIFICED A LOT FOR THIS OFFICE TO BE CREATED.
TC, THIS IS AN EMBARRASSMENT, THIS IS STUPIDITY.
I DON'T COME TO THESE MEETINGS SO THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE UNIONS AND ALL THEM DON'T SAY, DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER, WHEN THIS BOARD WAS VOTED ON, I HAD PEOPLE COME IN, THIS GUY RIGHT HERE AND SAY MY NAME, 1,001 TIME SAYING THAT THIS BOARD SHOULD NOT BE CREATED.
'CAUSE DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER IS JUST GOING TO HAVE HIS WAY.
AND I MAKE SURE I DON'T COME TO THIS PROCESS.
IS IT NOT RIGHT? JUNGER? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID.
THEY SAID MY NAME SEVEN TIMES AS THIS BOARD GOT UNANIMOUSLY VOTED ON, AND I TRY TO STAY AWAY SO THAT, THAT NO INTERFERENCE, NOTHING.
SO MIKE MATA DON'T COME HERE AND SAY DUMB STUFF.
LIKE THE BOARD SHOULD BE TRUSTED BY, BY, BY, BY POLICE OFFICERS.
WHEN IS A OVERSIGHT ENTITY EVER TRUSTED BY THE ENTITY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO OVERSIGHT.
AND THEN TO COME DOWN HERE AND SAY THAT THE DEPARTMENT NOTIFIED THE DIRECTOR TO INTERPRET THE ORDINANCE, THAT IS TOTAL VIOLATION OF A WHOLE, THE ESSENCE OF AN OVERSIGHT.
AND THAT THIS CITY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LITERALLY CREATED HOW OVERSIGHT OFFICES ARE SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION, CREATE THROUGH THIS CITY, HAS TO HAVE A, A CONSENT DECREE FOR IT TO GET IT.
WE SIT RIGHT HERE AND ACT LIKE THERE IS NOTHING, NO NATIONAL STANDARDS.
LIKE WE THERE, THERE'S CITIES THAT GOT 2000 PEOPLE IN IT THAT HAS FUNCTIONED SOMETHING.
AND THEN WE SITTING IN THIS DONG GONE DIE.
LIKE, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A CITY CHARTER THAT SAYS THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CITY ATTORNEY AT EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION MEETINGS.
AND THE CITY MANAGER GETS ON HERE AND ACT LIKE
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HE DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S BEEN A CITY MANAGER FOR OVER SEVEN YEARS.THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S SO DISRESPECTFUL, MAN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. ALEXANDER.
ANY MORE? UH, ANYBODY ONLINE? UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. WILLIAMS? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, AT THIS TIME, UH, I THINK IT'S SAFE, UH, FOR US TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
I WANNA THANK THE BOARD FOR MAKING MY FIRST MEETING NOT VERY LONG AND NOT VERY CONTENTIOUS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU FOR THAT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN