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[Community Police Oversight Board on February 13, 2024.]

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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

MY NAME IS, UH, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.

I'M THE NEW CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AS OF SIX DAYS AGO.

SO, AS FOR PATIENCE, WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD AT THIS TIME.

SO WE'RE GONNA GET THIS MEETING STARTED.

THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING IS 5 39.

5 39.

I WANNA BEGIN BY STATING THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.

WE'RE HERE TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT OF COMPLAINTS, MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES, MAKE SURE THEY'RE CONDUCTED FAIR AND THOROUGHLY FOR IT TO BE TRANSPARENT AND ENSURE THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO COMPLAINT PROCESS.

AND THE DUTIES OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THIS BOARD ARE TO ENSURE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS.

NUMBER TWO, TO REVIEW FACTS AND EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.

NUMBER THREE, TO DIRECT THE MONITOR OF THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.

NEXT, TO ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

ALSO TO ACCEPT, UH, FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS TO TAKE SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES TO REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AND TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN, UH, THIS MEETING JUST TO THANK, UH, THE VICE CHAIR JOSE REVIS FOR HIS SERVICE THESE PAST FEW MONTHS.

UH, HE SERVED THIS COMMITTEE VERY WELL, AND I WANNA PUBLICLY, UH, EXPRESS, UH, GRATITUDE TO HIM.

HE STEPPED IN WITH VERY LITTLE NOTICE AND WAS ABLE TO SUSTAIN MOMENTUM FOR OUR BOARD.

AND JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND TO THIS BOARD.

APPRECIATE YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

BOARD DECORUM.

DURING BOARD MEETINGS, ALL MEMBERS AND GUESTS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER SPEAKERS AND TO CITY EMPLOYEES, AND SHALL REFRAIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS, REFLECTING AS TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE OTHER ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO THE MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES.

SO LET'S BEGIN TODAY, UH, WITH A ROLL CALL BOARD.

UH, A ROLL CALL.

UH, CALLING TO SEE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT.

DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO.

JONATHAN MAPLES.

DISTRICT TWO, PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR.

DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.

DISTRICT FOUR, PRESENT.

DISTRICT FIVE.

DISTRICT SIX.

DISTRICT SIX.

DEREK GRAM.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

JOSE REVIS.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT NINE.

DISTRICT NINE.

ALLISON RENTER ALLEN.

DISTRICT 10, DISTRICT 11, DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT 13.

DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13, PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14 PRESENT.

FANTASTIC.

AND I, UH, REPRESENT DISTRICT 15 FOR THE MAYOR OF DALLAS.

AT THIS TIME, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE TO THE SESSION WHERE WE PROVIDE SPACE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, OPEN MIC.

PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURES, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER, PER, WITH SOME DISCRETION BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED.

BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED FROM ONE TO THREE MINUTES.

SO IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED UP ALREADY, UH, PLEASE, UH, FIND SOMEONE TO DO SO.

BUT I BELIEVE TODAY WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THAT WILL BE HERE, UH, SHARING PUBLIC COMMENT.

UH, THE FIRST IS DOLORES PHILLIPS.

DOLORES PHILLIPS, UH, WELCOME TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE.

MAKE SURE THE MIC IS TURNED ON.

AND, UH, ONCE YOU BEGIN SPEAKING, UH, WE'LL START TIMING, UH, THE THREE MINUTES.

WELCOME.

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IS IT DO OKAY, MS. PHILLIPS HANDOUTS.

OH, HANDOUTS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

DOLORES PHILLIPS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AGAIN.

MY NAME IS DOLORES PHILLIPS.

ADDRESS, SIX 20 WEST, WEST CHESTER, APARTMENT 1 7 1 0 8 GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 2.

THE FIRST HANDOUT THAT YOU SEE IS DOC ONE.

IT IS THE ACTUAL FIRST.

IT'S THE FIRST COMPLAINT FILED BY THE DALLAS POLICE AND FIRE PENSION SYSTEM IN 1994.

1994.

DOC TWO IS A ORDER.

AUGUST 29TH, 2017.

TWO.

DENYING THE CITY OF DALLAS.

ON PAGE THREE OF FOUR, ON DOC TWO IS THE ORDER SIGNED AUGUST, 2019.

YOU CAN DO YOUR MATH.

THAT'S LIKE 20 SOME YEARS.

WIN A CITY, A COUNTY A MUNICIPALITY BATTLES ITS FIRST RESPONDERS.

THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE.

S SIMULTANEOUSLY, CITIZENS ARE THROWN UNDER THE BUS AS WELL.

IT'S A MASSIVE, MASSIVE COVERUP.

AND I TAKE YOUR WORD THAT YOU'RE A MAN OF INTEGRITY UNTIL YOU SHOW ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THIS BOARD HAS BEEN THIS PLACE WHERE CITIZENS' COMPLAINTS ARE INTERCEPTED.

AND WHEN THEY HAVE EVIDENCE, IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS IN THE ROOM, THERE ARE EVIDENCE IN EXHIBITS OR INTERCEPTED.

THEY'RE BULLIED, THEY'RE INTIMIDATED.

SO THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT SERVING THE PURPOSE IN WHICH IT WAS IMPLEMENTED TO DO.

IT'S A MASSIVE, MASSIVE COVERUP.

I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT ENOUGH.

IN DOC FIVE, PAGE 19, IT IS A BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE OF A CD THAT PROVES BEYOND ANY TYPE DOUBT THAT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING THE TRUTH.

WHEN I WAS TAKEN OCTOBER 25TH, 2013, THE GREEN OAKS, IT WAS A MASSIVE, MASSIVE COVERUP.

AND NOW IT'S A FABRICATED POLICE REPORT.

PLEASE LOOK AT DOC FOUR, WHERE IT STATES, I USED HANDS AND FEETS AS WEAPONS.

I WAS TOLD BY OFFICERS FROM THEN TO NOW OVER A HANDFUL.

IT'S EITHER I USED HANDS AND FEETS AS WEAPONS, OR THE OFFICER INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED THE POLICE REPORT.

IEGE, NOT ONLY WAS THE POLICE REPORT FABRICATED, IT WAS DID WITH INTENT TO HARM.

WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT DOC FIVE, THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT, DOC FOUR WAS REFERENCED OFF THE RECORD WITH MY DAD CAUSING HIS DEMISE BEFORE HIS TIME IEGE.

THAT'S ONGOING RETALIATION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, DALLAS COUNTY LINKS, CONNECTIONS, AND NETWORKS, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.

SO WHEN YOU'RE A POLICE OFFICER, IF YOU SPEAK OF INJUSTICES, YOUR FELLOW OFFICERS ARE THE ONES THAT THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS.

SO I'M NOT AT ALL SURPRISED BY BEING THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY PEOPLE LOOK LIKE ME.

COME FROM WHERE I COME FROM.

MA'AM, THERE'S NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN, MA'AM.

YOUR TIME'S UP 20.

THAT'S FINE.

SO 20 SOME YEARS, YOU FOUGHT THE POLICE.

20 SOME YEARS.

YOU DID THE SAME WITH ROBERT GROVE.

SIR, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR? I WAS TOLD THESE DOCUMENTS AND HANDOUTS ARE PERMANENTLY FILED WITH YOUR COMMITTEE OR THE BOARD OR THE CITY.

CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE PERMANENTLY FILED? AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU, DOLORES.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE HERE.

THANK YOU.

NEXT ON THE LIST, I'D LIKE TO INVITE DIELLE LANE, IF YOU COULD, UH, PLEASE, UH, MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE MICROPHONE.

UH, IF POSSIBLE, MAKE SURE THAT MIC'S TURNED ON.

AND, UM, LOVE TO HEAR, UH, YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMAN, UH, CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMAN, BOARD MEMBERS.

I THANK Y'ALL FOR HEARING ME AGAIN.

I'M HERE FOR A FOLLOW UP.

UM, JUST TRYING TO CHECK THE STATUS OF MY INVESTIGATION.

MY ORIGINAL COMPLAINT WAS BACK IN JUNE 13TH, 2023.

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AND NOW WITH FEBRUARY 12TH, 2024.

I REALLY JUST WANTED KNOW THE STATUS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

I KNOW A LOT OF CHANGES HAPPENED.

UM, I WANT TO THANK, UH, YOU GUYS TREMENDOUSLY FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, UH, UH, EVERY MONTH SPEAKING ABOUT IT, BRINGING IT UP.

I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

UM, THE OVERSIGHT BOARD.

I THANK Y'ALL FOR ALL OF Y'ALL HAVE DONE.

UM, MR. WILLIAMS, I KNOW, UH, MS. MCCLARY, SHE'S NOT NO LONGER WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD, BUT, UM, JUST WANT A FEW ANSWERS.

UM, I'M LOOKING FOR A LETTER TO COME BACK TO ME.

JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT'S THE VERDICT.

UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

BUT THANK Y'ALL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

UH, AGAIN, YOUR PRESENCE IS ALWAYS A GIFT.

UM, IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE AND JUST KNOW THAT, UH, YOUR CASE IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO THIS BOARD.

UH, IN FACT, THERE'S AN LEGITIMATE ITEM A LITTLE BIT LATER WHERE WE'LL HEAR AN UPDATE FROM, UH, THE DIRECTOR, THE OCPO, ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE INVESTIGATION.

BUT REST ASSURED, UH, I KNOW SHE'S CHECKING ON IT EVERY DAY, THE STATUS, UH, WE HAVE OUR EYES ON THAT, AND, UH, WE ARE JUST LIKE YOU EAGERLY AWAITING THE, UH, THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION.

BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY MORE INDIVIDUALS HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE, UH, UH, ONLINE BY CHANCE? UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE ONE ON ONE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. WILLIAMS. I APPRECIATE IT.

WELL, IN THAT CASE, LET'S, UH, MOVE, UH, TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM, UH, THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING OF 2024, IF YOU COULD TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO KINDA LOOK IT OVER.

UH, AND, UH, WHENEVER SOMEONE FEELS, UH, THAT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 9TH, 2024.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER FROM DISTRICT THREE IS TRYING TO GET ONLINE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW.

WHILE WE'RE LOOKING OVER THE MINUTES, IF SOMEBODY COULD SEND OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW.

THANK YOU.

A LINK.

THANKS, MR. WILLIAMS. UH, WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT I THINK, UH, DISTRICT THREE, CHUNG HIGGINS IS, UH, HAVING SOME TROUBLE GETTING ONLINE.

HAVE YOU, DO YOU SEE HIM BY CHANCE IN THE WAITING ROOM? NO, BUT I'LL TAKE CARE.

HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. WILLIAMS. I APPRECIATE THAT.

DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13, MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? JOSE VISS, DISTRICT SEVEN SECOND.

NO.

MINOR CORRECTION.

I'M IN DISTRICT FOUR, SO ON, UH, ON THE MINUTES IT HAS USED A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.

NO DISTRICT.

OKAY.

DISTRICT FOUR.

IT DOES EVER IT DOES.

IT'S ACTUALLY, THE LINES ARE WRONG.

SHE'S IN THE RIGHT DISTRICT'S.

NOT OFF LONG.

I MEAN, IT'S OFF.

THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, UH, SPACING.

THE SPACING'S OFF.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, CORRECT.

OKAY.

DO WE FEEL GOOD ENOUGH TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL? OKAY.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY LAST NAME IS L-A-N-D-E-R.

NOS.

THAT'S NO BIG DEAL, BUT I WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR NOTED FOR THE RECORD.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

UH, LET'S GO TO A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 9TH.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED, MAY IT NEEDS TO BE STATED WITH NECESSARY CORRECTIONS.

SO WITH THE, WITH THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS, ARE WE GOOD TO APPROVE? YES.

OKAY.

EXCELLENT.

YES.

SO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT IT DOES SAY YOU'RE, IT IS JUST ON THE LINE BELOW, UH, THERE'S A SPACING ISSUE.

UH, OKAY.

SO WITH WITH THOSE CORRECTIONS, WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT.

MOVING ON WITH THAT, IS IT OKAY IF YOU CHANGE THE SPACING ON, ON THOSE? SURE.

OKAY.

WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

WE'LL DO ONE MORE VOTE JUST TO BE SURE.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES.

TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE ACTION ITEMS. UH, WE'LL GO TO THREE A ITEM ONE, CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA.

RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD MEMO REGARDING THE LANE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS WRITTEN BY CPOB, VICE CHAIR, REVIS, AND DYNA LANE, INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY OCPO.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UH, TO LEAD THIS DISCUSSION.

SO ACTUALLY, UH, VICE CHAIR REVIS WAS GOING TO READ THE, UM, UPDATE ON THE MEMOS, AND THEN I WAS GOING TO READ ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING.

PERFECT.

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GOOD EVENING.

UH, ON JANUARY 24TH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA, UH, RESPONDED TO OUR, UH, OUR BOARD MEMO, UM, REGARDING THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION ON MR. DILL LANE.

UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT SEEN IT OR READ IT, UM, I WILL READ IT FOR YOU.

IN RESPONSE TO THE MEMORANDUM REGARDING THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION INVOLVING MR. DONNELL LANE, THE INVESTIGATION REMAINS OPEN AND IN THE EMPLOYEE REVIEW PHASE, UNFORTUNATELY, THE INVESTIGATION IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND MY CONTROL.

AN OFFICER INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION IS CURRENTLY ON LEAVE DUE TO FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT, FMLA.

AS A RESULT, THERE IS A TEMPORARY DELAY IN THE PROGRESSION OF THIS INVESTIGATION.

WHEN THE OFFICER RETURNS FROM F-M-L-A-I-A-D WILL PROMPTLY CONTINUE THE INTERNAL PROCESSES TO ENSURE THE INVESTIGATION CAN MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP.

I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ADDRESSING COMPLAINTS PROMPTLY AND THOROUGHLY, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED BY THIS DELAY.

PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT I TAKE ALL COMPLAINTS SERIOUSLY.

AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION IS DOING EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR POWER TO EXPEDITE THE INVESTIGATION WHILE ADHERING TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT.

I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION THIS DELAY MAY HAVE ON MR. LANE AND THE COMMUNITY.

THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION COMMANDER, MAJOR IRENE ALANISE, WILL KEEP POLICE MONITOR ELAINE CHANDLER AND THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, INFORMED OF ANY UPDATES OR CHANGES TO THE INVESTIGATION TIMELINE.

IN THE MEANTIME, I APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND PATIENCE AS WE WORK TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUIRE FURTHER INFORMATION, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND COOPERATION.

EDDIE GARCIA, CHIEF OF POLICE, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, BOARD MEMBERS.

ANY RESPONSE COMMENTS TO CHIEF GARCIA'S LETTER BACK TO US? I HAVE A COMMENT.

LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.

I'M STILL VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THIS PROGRESS.

IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.

WE'VE NEVER HAD TO WAIT FOR A REPORT.

WE RECEIVE THE REPORT WHEN WE RECEIVE THE REPORT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS NEW PROCESS WHERE THE OFFICERS HAVE TO APPROVE IT, THEY GET A COPY, AND THEN IT, IT MOVES ON.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

DEREK PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX.

THIS CASE WAS, I WAS NEW WHEN THIS CASE CAME, AND OF COURSE IT HIT ME HARD, HEAVY ON MY HEART, BUT I THINK IT HIT ME EVEN HARDER WHEN I FOUND OUT WHAT KIND OF DISREGARD I CAN EVEN SAY THAT THE CHIEF HAS.

BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WHEN I CAME, I THOUGHT THIS WAS, UH, BOARD OF ACTION ON A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL.

AND I FOUND THAT I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T NOTICED THAT YET, ESPECIALLY SINCE I CAME IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR ON THAT CASE.

AND IT'S STILL HERE IN A WHOLE NOTHER YEAR.

THE OTHER PART WAS JUST THAT THIS IS ALMOST VERBATIM WHAT I AT LEAST READ.

SAID IT THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE WERE HERE UPSTAIRS.

I, WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WAS READING IT, WHEN IT CAME IN THE EMAIL, I WAS LIKE, I CAN HEAR HER SAYING THIS.

AND NOW IT JUST HAS HIS STAMP ON IT.

BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME RUN AROUND.

I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE GOING ON.

AND ONCE AGAIN, I'M DISGUSTED WITH THE, WITH THE, THE WAY THINGS ARE RUNNING.

UH, THIS IS DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.

UM, THIS HAS GONE ON LONGER THAN I WOULD'VE THOUGHT.

HOPEFULLY IT'S GONE ON LONGER THAN THE IAB FOLKS, UH, WOULD'VE THOUGHT I UNDERSTAND DUE PROCESS, AND I THINK EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO IT, INCLUDING MR. LANE AND THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS INVOLVED.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AS PART OF THE INTERNAL PROCESS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ONE OF THESE, NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, BUT ANY MATTER THE POLICE OFFICER INVOLVED GETS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE IAD REPORT AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DUE PROCESS.

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UM, WHAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT HERE IS THE DELAY BECAUSE OF THE FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT.

I UNDERSTAND, UH, THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER IS ENTITLED TO THAT LEAVE.

AND I'M NOT SURE, AND THIS IS WHAT'S NOT EXPLAINED TO ME, TO MY SATISFACTION AS TO WHY THE FMLA LEAVE IS PREVENTING THIS OFFICER FROM LOOKING AT THE REPORT AND MAKING HER COMMENT.

UH, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR DUE PROCESS.

IF THERE'S A LEGITIMATE REASON THAT THIS EMPLOYEE IS NOT ABLE TO OR CANNOT LOOK AT IT, THEN I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPECTED.

BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN ANSWER AS TO WHY THE FMLA IS PREVENTING THIS FROM MOVING FORWARD.

AS TO THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, MY CONCERN IS, AS EVERYONE ELSE IS, UH, THAT HERE WE ARE GETTING PUNTED ONE MORE TIME.

IT SAYS, AND I'LL QUOTE, WHEN THE OFFICER RETURNS FROM FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE, IAD WILL PROMPTLY CONTINUE THE INTERNAL PROCESSES.

THERE'S NO INDICATION OF WHEN THE OFFICER'S GONNA RETURN FROM FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE.

THERE'S NO INDICATION OF IF THE OFFICER'S GOING TO RETURN.

THERE'S NO INDICATION OF HOW MUCH TIME THE FMLA IS ALLOWING THIS OFFICER TO BE OFF.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE CONCERNING ME.

IT'S GOING ON AND ON AND ON.

AND LIKE, UH, MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE SAID, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE I WAS APPOINTED, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW.

AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE RIDICULOUS.

THIS, UH, MEMO FROM, UH, CHIEF GARCIA SHOULD AT LEAST GIVE US SOME TIMELINE, AND THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST OF THE CHAIR THAT YOU REQUEST.

'CAUSE THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO APPARENTLY IS REQUEST, UH, SOME KIND OF A TIMELINE.

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO WE HAVE TO WAIT? THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH FLMA, VERY FAMILIAR.

IT'S GRANTED WITH A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME, AND THEN TO EXTEND IT REQUIRES ANOTHER MEDICAL LETTER SAYING HOW MUCH LONGER THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE OFF FOR FLMA.

IT IS NOT OPEN-ENDED.

THE WAY THE CHIEF DESCRIBES IT IN THIS MEMO, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S OPEN-ENDED.

AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, I, I'M, I'M NOT BUYING THIS AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHY.

THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR OFFICERS INVOLVED.

ONE IS ON FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE ACT LEAVE, OKAY? WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT OFFICER'S EVER COMING BACK AS, AS WAS JUST SAID.

SO THERE'S NO REASON THAT ONE OFFICER SHOULD HOLD UP THE ENTIRE INVESTIGATION OR THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS.

THIS OFFICER COULD BE, COULD HAVE A TERMINAL ILLNESS.

WE DON'T KNOW.

WE HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT IF THIS OFFICER NEVER COMES BACK, IT'S NOT LIKE THE INVESTIGATION'S JUST GONNA END.

THERE ARE THREE OTHER OFFICERS INVOLVED.

AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY WE ARE PAUSING THE INVESTIGATION INTO THOSE THREE OFFICERS BECAUSE ONE OFFICER IS ON LEAVE.

I I, THE, THE, WE'RE, I'M NOT CRAZY HERE.

THIS WAS ON VIDEO.

WE ALL SAW IT.

SO WE ALL SAW WHAT HAPPENED.

THERE'S NO REASON THAT THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS CAN'T BE INTERVIEWED, COME TO SOME RESOLUTION WITH THOSE THREE OFFICERS, AND THEN ADDRESS THE FOURTH OFFICER WHEN HE OR SHE RETURNS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME JUST MAKE A, AN ADDED COMMENT BECAUSE I STAND BY WHAT I SAID BEFORE.

I'M, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE DUE PROCESS HERE.

EVERYBODY'S ENTITLED TO IT.

I RAISED AN ISSUE THE LAST TIME, AND AGAIN, MAYBE MS. WADSWORTH, UH, CAN HELP ME OUT ON THIS, BUT I RAISED AN ISSUE THE LAST TIME AS TO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS IS THE OFFICERS COME INTO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT AND LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO OR SUPPOSED TO DO.

I UNDERSTAND THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER IS ON FMLA AND PERHAPS CAN'T COME, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REPORT CAN'T GO TO HER.

IN OTHER WORDS, BE SENT TO HER, LET HER LOOK AT IT, MAKE HER COMMENTS, AND BRING THEM BACK.

MAYBE THERE'S A, A PROCESS, MAYBE THERE'S AN IMPEDIMENT TO THAT.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IF THAT CAN BE DONE, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THE DELAY IS IN ANYBODY'S INTEREST.

NOT THE CITY, NOT THE POLICE, NOT THE PUBLIC, NOT MR. LANE.

I THINK THIS NEEDS TO GET RESOLVED AND EVERYBODY MOVE ON.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, UH, DISTRICT TWO, I, I WANNA APOLOGIZE TO YOU, MAN.

I, I

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REALLY DO.

I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M P****D OFF.

AND THE WORLD IS WATCHING DALLAS TOOK A BIG BLACK EYE.

THE MEDIA'S HERE.

SO THE MEDIA'S GOING TO GO BACK AND WRITE THIS NARRATIVE THAT THIS POLICE OFFICER, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IS ON MEDICAL LEAVE.

NOW, I'M NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORIST.

I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.

I DON'T PLAY EITHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS ON TV.

HOWEVER, THINGS STINK.

AND, YOU KNOW, I GOT A QUESTION.

HAVE THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS ALREADY LOOKED AT THE REPORT AND WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THIS FOURTH ONE? ARE WE JUST KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD? BECAUSE LIKE THIS, UH, SERVICEMAN, I TOO AM A VETERAN.

WE UNDERSTAND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND ORDERS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE, AND THIS TIMELINE HAS GOT ITSELF SCREWED UP.

AND WE EXPECT MORE FROM OUR POLICE CHIEF.

WE HEAR ALL THESE OUTSTANDING THINGS ABOUT ALL THE THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A VETERAN, AGAIN, THAT WAS CAUGHT.

OFFICERS THAT WAS CAUGHT ON VIDEO.

I MEAN, IT'S OPEN AND SHUT CASE.

WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING? IT TELLS ME THAT HOW MUCH POWER DOES THE BOARD HAVE? I MEAN, HONESTLY, THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

IT IS RIDICULOUS THAT WE ARE HERE, WHAT, NINE MONTHS LATER.

COME ON, MAN.

COME ON.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST TERRIBLE.

IT'S TERRIBLE.

AND IT AFFECTS ME PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW IT AFFECTS YOU PERSONALLY, BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T BE HERE.

THIS SHOULD BE A DONE DEAL A LONG TIME AGO AGO, AND WE CHANGED OUT LEADERSHIP.

WHY? I MEAN, WHISPERS ARE BECAUSE OF YOUR CASE.

AGAIN, I'M NOT A CONSPIRACY THERAPIST, BUT THINGS STINK AROUND HERE, AND I THINK THAT WE DESERVE MORE, AND I'M GOING TO EXPECT MORE FROM THOSE IN THOSE LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.

AND I'M LIKE YOU, MR. GRAM, IT READ JUST LIKE THE, THE, THE ANSWER WE GOT BEFORE.

AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DID NOT EXPECT THIS TO BE THE ANSWER.

I EXPECTED SOMEONE TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

BUT INSTEAD, THE ANSWER WE GET IS, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DON'T KNOW.

BUT THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME AT ALL.

AND EVERY MONTH GOING FORWARD, EVERY MONTH GOING FORWARD, I'M GONNA RAISE HELL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE IT SICKENS ME.

THANK YOU YOU, ALISON ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE.

THIS IS, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP AS A BOARD WITH IA.

IF THE THINGS AND THE CASES THAT WE INVESTIGATE AND ARE INTERESTED IN CAN BE STALLED OUT INDEFINITELY BY IA.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE BOARD AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT I, I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT ONLY, UH, AN ABSOLUTE EMBARRASSMENT OF AN INDIVIDUAL CASE.

AND, AND I ABSOLUTELY ECHO MY COLLEAGUE'S APOLOGY OF HOW LONG THIS HAS TAKEN TO GET ANY MANNER OF TRANSPARENCY AND JUSTICE FOR YOUR CASE, MR. LANE.

BUT I THINK IT ALSO IS SORT OF A, A STRUCTURAL FRICTION POINT FOR HOW THIS BOARD CAN REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY.

IF THE PROCESSES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN BE WITHOUT TRANSPARENCY SHUTTLED AWAY FROM US.

I MEAN, I MEAN, IF WE CAN'T BRING IN OFFICERS TO COME IN AND ANSWER FOR THEMSELVES, IF WE CAN'T BRING IN AND INVESTIGATE IT FURTHER BECAUSE IT'S NIA, THEN I THINK MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS WE TAKE A CRITICAL EYE AT THE STRUCTURE OF THIS BOARD.

THANK YOU.

BOARD MEMBERS FOR COMMENTS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES.

MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MAJOR ESE ABOUT THE OVERALL PROCESS OF THIS TYPE OF REVIEW.

IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THERE ARE FOUR OFFICERS INVOLVED.

IS IT CUSTOMARY AND ORDINARY THAT WE, THAT THEY SPEAK TO THOSE OFFICERS ONE AT A TIME? OR ARE THOSE INTERVIEWS SIMULTANEOUS AND ONGOING? REMEMBER WE WERE TOLD BACK IN NOVEMBER THAT THERE WAS A DEDICATED DETECTIVE ASSIGNED TO THIS CASE FOR OVER A MONTH TO GATHER THAT DATA.

SO HAVE THE OTHER, IS IT REASONABLE AND CUSTOMARY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER INFORMATION AND WE'RE

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JUST WAITING ON ONE OFFICER? IS THAT THE WAY IT WORKS? OR MAYBE IS THIS THE FIRST OFFICER AND WE HAVEN'T STARTED WITH THE PROCESS TO THE OTHERS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEIR PROCEDURE.

AND I WOULD LIKE THAT PROCEDURE CLARIFIED.

WHAT IS THE STANDARD AND ORDINARY PROCEDURE IN IAD DERRICK GRAM, DISTRICT SIX? EXACTLY.

THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS EMPOWERING US, WAS THE FACT THAT THEY, UH, GAVE ONE PERSON THE CASE.

SO WHY CAN'T THAT PERSON GO TO THE ONE THAT'S NOT ABLE TO, THAT'S ON IT, MFLA OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.

BUT IF IT WAS SO DEDICATED TO ONE PERSON, WHY IS THERE A STUNT? IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE TO COME INTO THIS BIG, UH, TO-DO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN.

AND I'M NOT, IF YOU SAY A CONSPIRACY, P, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN CONSPIRACY.

IT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.

MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

AND IT'S PROBABLY MAJOR ALANISE THAT WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION.

WE UNDERSTAND PROCEDURES.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND PROCEDURES, BUT THE PROCEDURES HAVE NOT BEEN MADE CLEAR.

I FEEL THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS PURPOSEFULLY DELAYED PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGING THE ERROR, EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE IN THE WORLD HAS SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THE WRONG.

AND SO THEY'RE HOPING THAT THE PUBLIC GIVES UP.

MR. LANE CAN'T GIVE UP.

HE WAS HUMILIATED.

AND THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

AND YET OUR POLICE CHIEF GIVES US THIS NONSENSE LETTER.

AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD THE LONGEST, BUT I DON'T RECALL HIM EVER COMING TO OUR MEETING.

NOT ONCE.

HE HAS NO RESPECT FOR THIS BOARD.

REALLY? YEAH.

HE SAID IT TO THE MICROPHONE.

SORRY.

I DON'T THINK HE, I COULD HEAR, I RECALL HIM BEING HERE ON AT LEAST A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS.

I'M NOT, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T REMEMBER HIM BEING HERE.

MAY, YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, WE WROTE A LETTER EXPLAINING OUR DISCUSS, AND WE GET THIS, YOUR NEW CHAIRMAN, IT'S TIME TO WRITE ANOTHER LETTER AND TELL HIM THIS LETTER THE POLICE CHIEF WROTE US WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

IN THOSE WORDS, THE POLICE CHIEF WROTE US A LETTER THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE TO THIS CASE, AND SEND HIM THE INVITATION TO COME HERE AND TALK TO US.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST PUSHING PAPER.

AND ONE THING I CAN'T STAND IS PUSHING PAPER, SENDING EMAILS IT, COME TALK TO US, COME TALK TO MR. LANE.

IT GOES A LONG WAY.

SO I MOVE OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER STEPS WE NEED TO TAKE TO WRITE A LETTER.

AGAIN, SAYING THE LETTER WE GOT FROM THE POLICE CHIEF IS UNACCEPTABLE.

AND I DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY, SO I CAN'T BE FIRED, THOUGH.

THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.

I WAS APPOINTED TO REPRESENT THE CITIES, THE CITIZENS OF DISTRICT TWO, AND I'M GONNA DO THAT.

THIS LETTER IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

WE NEED TO SEND THAT TO THE POLICE CHIEF TO HELP HIM UNDERSTAND AND INCLUDE THE COUNCIL TO LET HIM KNOW, HEY, MAN, Y'ALL DROPPING THE BALL AND , THE, THE MEDIA'S GONNA LET THE WHOLE CITY KNOW WE'RE STILL DROPPING THE BALL IN DALLAS.

TO THE EXTENT, MOTION, TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT WAS A MOTION, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, I SECOND THAT MOTION.

EXCELLENT.

SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE FLOOR, THE, THE ACTION ITEM IS, UH, FOR THE CHAIR TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE POLICE CHIEF, UH, NUMBER ONE, EXPRESSING OUR DISCONTENT WITH HIS RESPONSE TO OUR FIRST LETTER, AND SECONDLY, TO GIVE HIM A PERSONAL INVITATION TO JOIN US AT THE NEXT MEETING.

IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

WE WANT TO, WE WANNA LET HIM KNOW THAT THIS LETTER IS UNACCEPTABLE.

WE'LL ALSO WANT TO INCLUDE IN THAT WE WANNA SEND THIS, THAT SAME LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL THE SAME WAY WE DID IT BEFORE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

THE, UH, POLICE CHIEF HAS MADE CLEAR HIS IDEAS HERE.

OKAY.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ASK HIM FOR ANOTHER OPINION.

WE'RE GONNA GET THE

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SAME STUFF.

HE REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER.

OKAY? OUR LETTER NEEDS TO GO TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT HIS EMPLOYEE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, GAVE US AN UNACCEPTABLE ANSWER WITH NO TIMEFRAME.

NO TIMEFRAME.

I CAN LIVE CITY MANAGER ISSUE.

I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? YES.

WILL YOU RESTATE THAT MOTION? UH, YES.

MR. T, JONATHAN MAPLES.

SO, UH, I GUESS I'LL BE AMENDING THE MOTION TO SEND A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER TO INCLUDE THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS RESPONSE WE GOT TO OUR PREVIOUS LETTER WAS UNACCEPTABLE.

AND AS THE SECOND, I AGREE.

AND THE SECOND IS STILL STANDS JUDGE LAND, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, YES.

THIS MAY BE E QUIBBLE.

I, I WOULD HONESTLY LEAVE THE POLICE CHIEF OFF THE LETTER.

WE, WE WENT TO HIM, WE GOT A RESPONSE.

IT WAS UNSATISFACTORY.

I SAY WE, WE GO TO THE COUNCIL, WE GO HIGHER.

WE GO TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

MR. MAPLES, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT WITHOUT BEHIND HIS BACK.

I WANT HIM TO KNOW YOU ARE A PART OF THIS PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WITH THIS BOARD, WITH RESPONSES LIKE THIS.

I WANT HIM TO KNOW.

I DON'T WANNA LEAVE HIM OFF.

I WANT HIM TO KNOW THAT WE ARE DISGUSTED ABOUT IT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIM, THAT WE'RE DISGUSTED ABOUT HIM.

THIS, YEAH.

I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE IT OFF.

YEAH, WE WENT TO HIM BEFORE AND HE KIND OF SHOWED US THE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HE SHOWED US.

BUT YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

THE CITY MANAGER, THE COUNCIL, AND THE POLICE CHIEF.

AND WE CAN MAKE IT A COURTESY COPY TO, UM, THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

BUT THE ACTUAL LETTER SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE CITY MANAGER WITH COPIES TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE, UM, UH, CITY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS A COP, A COURTESY COPY TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE SINCE HE'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT'S GREAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DISTRICT THREE.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES.

YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

CHAGA, PLEASE.

UH, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

YEAH.

SO, UM, I, I'M SORRY, SGA, WOULD YOU MIND TURNING YOUR CAMERA ON? UH, WE, WE, UH, WE NEED TO SEE THAT, UH, ON THERE, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

YEP.

CAN YOU SEE ME? CURRENTLY? UH, WE JUST SEE YOUR NAME.

UH, IS YOUR CAMERA ON BY CHANCE? MY CAMERA'S ON.

IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A TERRIBLE CAMERA.

SO SORRY.

I COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT MEETING.

CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME NOW? OKAY, WE CAN.

WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.

WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.

YES.

THE, UH, YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

YEAH, SO, UH, I, I, I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE BOARD MEMBER THAT STATED, I, I COULDN'T SEE WHO IT WAS THAT THE, THE SUB UH, THE TARGET OF THIS LETTER, I THINK ULTIMATE, ULTIMATELY SHOULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER, UM, TO, TO THE POLICE CHIEF'S BOSS.

AND I THINK IT, IT SHOULD GO A STEP FURTHER.

LIKE WE WANT TO TELL, WE WE'RE QUESTION OUR DISCUSS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY, UH, INSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF ON, UH, MOVING THIS FORWARD IN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME.

SO, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, DISTRICT THREE, YOU'RE SAYING, UH, TO CARBON COPY THE CITY COUNCIL TO THIS LETTER, OR TO DIRECT THE LETTER TO THEM? I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY DECISIONS MADE, UH, ON THIS CASE OUT OUTSIDE OF THIS BOARD AND, AND, AND, UM, DPD, THAT IT, IT IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY BE THE VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY COUNCIL INSTRUCTING THE CITY MANAGERS TO, TO DO SOMETHING AND MAKE SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS CASE.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, CITY MANAGER, UM, CC THE POLICE CHIEF, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO CENTER THIS LETTER AROUND THE POLICE CHIEF.

THAT WOULD BE EXACTLY WHAT WE DID LAST MONTH.

SO I, I WOULD, I, AND I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT WE MAKE, UH, THAT WE ASK THAT THIS CASE BE RESOLVED IN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME BECAUSE WE'VE WAITED FOR IT FOR LONG ENOUGH, MR. CHAIRMAN? MM-HMM.

, UH, THIS MR. HIGGINS IS THROUGH, THIS IS DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.

WE ARE GETTING SO, SO FAR OUTSIDE WHAT WE STARTED WITH THIS IS LIKE TRYING TO BUILD AN, SOMETHING LIKE AN ELEPHANT.

I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW TO DESCRIBE IT.

UM, I THINK THE LETTER, AGAIN, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE DUE PROCESS.

THAT'S MY

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MAIN CONCERN HERE.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S HAPPENING.

AND I THINK THE LETTER IS DEFICIENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY INFORMATION.

IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHY FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE IS INHIBITING THIS, OR ANY TIMEFRAMES.

I THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AND WE SHOULD TOLD ABOUT.

BUT TO DO ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND POLICY MAKING AND ADDING THIS AND ADDING THAT, I THINK WE'RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.

AND I THINK IT IS SUFFICIENT TO SAY WE FIND THE LETTER UNSATISFACTORY AND LEAVE IT AT THAT, UH, MR. MAPLES, YOU HAVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

SO, UM, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT PLEASE? DID I RESPOND TO THAT? PLEASE? UH, YES.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU ARE A POLICY.

YOU ARE NOT A POLICYMAKING BOARD.

BUT WE DO HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN.

AND TO THIS DAY, WE HAVE BEEN VERY SOFT ON USING THAT POWER.

I DISAGREE TOTALLY WITH YOU.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR POLICY TO BE MADE.

WE ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE PUBLIC TRUST BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE, WHICH IS OUR PURVIEW TO SAY THAT WE NEED THIS TO BE ESCALATED AND MOVE FORWARD.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO INSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE POLICE CHIEF TO ACCELERATE THIS, WHICH THE POLICE CHIEF DOES HAVE THE POWER TO DO IF YOU LOOK AT THE IA GENERAL ORDERS, TO ACCELERATE THIS INVESTIGATION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING.

THANK YOU.

WE NOT, WE'RE NOT AFFECTING POLICY.

THANK YOU, MR. HIGGINS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

UH, MR. MAPLES, UH, YOU HAVE THE MOTION.

YOU'VE STARTED THIS, UH, CONVERSATION.

UH, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO, WILL YOU, WILL YOU RE, WILL YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION? IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON IT OR HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UM, .

SO THE MOTION WAS, OR IS TO SEND A LETTER TO THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND WE, I GUESS WE COULD CC THE POLICE CHIEF THAT, THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE.

AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, YEAH, WE NEED, WE NEED A TIME.

WE, WE NEED TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED THIS DONE IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE OUR NEXT TIME WE MEET WILL BE NINE MONTHS.

AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DUE PROCESS, WHO'S THE REAL ONE THAT'S NOT GETTING DUE PROCESS HERE? I MEAN, LET, LET'S, LET'S KEEP IT REAL.

WHO'S REALLY NOT GETTING DUE PROCESS? SO YEAH, I, I, I'M WILLING TO AMEND IT.

YES.

EXCELLENT.

SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO WRITE A LETTER EXPRESSING OUR DISCONTENT ABOUT HIS RESPONSE ADDRESSED TO THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL.

IN THIS LETTER, WE'LL, WE WILL ADDRESS, UH, DISCONTENT, BUT ALSO, UH, REQUEST FOR, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF TO ATTEND OUR MEETING, UH, TO EXPLAIN IN PERSON.

AND WE, DO YOU STILL SECOND THAT? JUDGE LANDERS? YOU LEFT UPLANDER HERE.

UM, DISTRICT EIGHT.

YOU LEFT OUT THE PART ABOUT, UM, UH, WE WANT TO, UH, FIND OUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS.

SURE.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION.

TELL US, IS THERE A TIMELINE, AND IF SO, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR LETTER, AND IF THAT IS PART OF YOUR LETTER, THEN MY SECOND STANCE, YES, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.

UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL.

VOTE ON THIS.

UM, AND, UH, WE WILL NAME, UH, DISTRICT BY DISTRICT, AND IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, YAY.

IF YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR, NAY.

DISTRICT ONE.

DISTRICT ONE.

YAY.

DISTRICT TWO, TWO.

JOHN, DISTRICT TWO.

JONATHAN MAPLES.

YES.

DISTRICT THREE.

MR. HIGGINS? YES.

DISTRICT FOUR.

I WAS GONNA LET YOU GO.

DISTRICT FOUR.

MR. HIGGINS, ARE YOU OKAY? ALRIGHT.

YES.

DISTRICT FIVE, DISTRICT SIX.

DISTRICT SIX.

DEREK PEGRAM.

YES.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

DISTRICT SEVEN? YES.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

JUDGE LANDER? YES.

DISTRICT NINE.

DISTRICT NINE? YES.

DISTRICT 10 AND 11 ARE NOT HERE.

AND 12? UH, DISTRICT? DISTRICT.

I'M 12.

DISTRICT 12, YEAH.

D WADSWORTH.

DISTRICT 12? YES.

DISTRICT 13.

DAVID KITNER? YES.

AND DISTRICT 14.

DISTRICT 14.

BRANDON FRIEDMAN.

YES.

THE MOTION PASSES.

UH, THERE WILL BE A LETTER WRITTEN AND, UH, THE, UH, THE BOARD WILL BE NOTIFIED WHEN THIS IS WRITTEN, AND, UH, YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED ON THAT.

UH, UH, CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAY THAT THIS WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE, LET IT BE SAID ON THE RECORD.

THIS WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE, UH, BY THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

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THREE.

ITEM THREE, A ITEM TWO.

INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER MET WITH DPD, CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND CHIEF GARCIA.

UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UH, TO SHARE ABOUT THIS, THIS MEETING.

THANK YOU.

UM, YES.

OCPO MET WITH, UH, THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICE UNIT, UM, IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY, AS WELL AS CHIEF GARCIA.

UM, DURING THAT MEETING, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT DISCUSSED THE PURPOSE OF THAT UNIT, WHICH PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON TRANSPARENCY AND SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND, UM, THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND THE CHIEF, UM, OF POLICE CHIEF GARCIA STATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE MARCH MEETING, UM, AND THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT WOULD PRESENT ON THAT ITEM.

UM, THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY PRESENTED TO THE SAFETY COMMITTEE.

MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.

MR. CHAND, DID YOU SAY THAT THE POLICE CHIEF WOULD LIKE TO COME TO OUR MEETING IN MARCH? THAT'S CORRECT.

I I, I WOULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE NOT HAVE THE POLICE CHIEF HERE UNTIL THE DONNELL LANE CASE IS CONCLUDED, BECAUSE IT, I, I THINK THAT'S THE PRIORITY.

AND I THINK THE CHIEF POLICE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT I, IF I CAN, I, I MEAN, WE HAVE AN OPEN MEETING AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE CHIEF TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY WHILE THE DONNELL LING CASE IS ONGOING, BECAUSE I, IF HE'S HERE, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN HEAR MORE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND, AND THEIR SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOW THAT'S GOING.

I WOULD ALSO ADD, YEAH, I DON'T, I, THIS IS DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING A POSITION THAT SOME OF US PERHAPS THINK THE CITY OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S TAKEN, AND THAT'S NOT TALKING TO US.

SO IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE POLICE CHIEF, WE SHOULD TAKE IT.

THERE'S NOTHING, NO DOWNSIDE TO IT.

IT'S ALL UPSIDE.

AND WE NEED TO HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE POLICE.

AND I'VE SAID THIS FOR MONTHS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS REPRESENTATIVE BE AT OUR MEETING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN INTERACTION.

AND AS DR.

UM, GILBERT KNOWS BACK IN THE OLD BOARD, THEY DID COME.

AND SO AGAIN, I WOULD REEXTEND THAT INVITATION FOR THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOLKS TO COME HERE AND MEET WITH US AND EXPLAIN SOME OF THE ISSUES.

AND I THINK IF THAT'S DONE, THERE'LL BE LESS SUSPICIOUS, SUSPICIOUS, UH, THOUGHTS ON THE PART OF, OF THE BOARD, BUT THEY HAVEN'T.

SO, CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? COUNCIL, THE CHAIR? UH, YES.

MAJOR ALANIS.

YOU, UH, YOU AT THE FLOOR? HI.

UM, SO WE ARE HERE, ALLEN AND I WAS, I, WE ARE HERE, UH, REPRESENTING IED.

UM, AND I ALSO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE LANE CASE, BUT I WAS NOT CALLED ON.

ARE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT I CAN SPEAK ON NOW OR ARE WE WAITING FOR MS. ELISE? I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.

UH, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY MOVED ON FROM THE DYNA LANE CASE, AND WE'VE, WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S ALREADY PASSED ON THAT.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE AT THIS TIME IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY DIRECTED AT YOU AT THIS POINT.

WELL, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS DIRECTED AT ME.

UM, AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF, IF, IF I COULD GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE THAT RESPONSE.

'CAUSE I DO MIGHT EVEN STATE YOU GUYS SOME WORK ON PROVIDING ANOTHER LETTER.

'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING AN UPDATE, WHICH I HAVE.

UH, YOU HAVE AN UPDATE TO, UH, THE DANELL LANE CASE? YES, SIR.

WELL, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR THAT AT THIS TIME.

UH, WE'VE MOVED ON, BUT I THINK, WOULD THE BOARD BE OKAY IF WE HEAR, UH, MAJOR ALANIS IS UPDATE ON THE DANELLE LANE CASE? YES.

OKAY.

UH, MAJOR ALLIS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

UH, WHAT IS THE UPDATE ON, UH, THIS CASE? SO, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE OFFICER THAT WAS OUT ON FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE.

UH, AS SOON AS THAT OFFICER RETURNED, WE DID HAVE THEM COME INTO THE OFFICE SO THAT THEY COULD REVIEW THE CASE.

THE OTHER THREE OFFICERS HAD ALREADY REVIEWED THAT CASE.

UM, SO NOW ALL THE OFFICERS HAVE REVIEWED IT.

THE NEXT STAGE, WHICH I, I THOUGHT I TOUCHED ON AT OUR LAST MEETING WOULD BE FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES CHAIN OF COMMAND TO COME IN AND REVIEW THE CASE SO THAT THEY COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION FOR DISCIPLINE.

THAT ALSO HAS BEEN DONE.

AND THAT WAS INVOLVING TWO DIFFERENT CHAIN OF COMMANDS.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THEM IN HERE.

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UH, THEY HAVE ALL MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE NEXT STAGE THAT WE ARE AT IS WHERE THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, WILL NOW BE LOOKING AT THE CASE.

THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WILL BE RENDERING, UM, DISCIPLINE SHOULD THEY SEE FIT.

AND THEN ONCE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED, THEN THAT'S WHEN OUR, THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED CLOSED AFTER, WELL, IF DISCIPLINE IS ISSUED.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YES.

SO, SO THIS CHANGE IS A LOT, THIS MISCOMMUNICATION CHANGES A LOT OF THINGS BECAUSE WE CAME IN HERE AND, AND MR. LANE, MR. LANE, MR. LANE, DID YOU HEAR THE UPDATE? OKAY.

UM, THERE WAS AN UPDATE TO YOUR CASE.

IF YOU'LL HAVE A SEAT.

WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO, WE'LL TRY TO GET IT TO YOU THE BEST, BEST WE CAN.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING TO HIM OR NOT, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA TALK TO HIM BECAUSE IT INVOLVES HIM.

UM, THIS, THIS, THIS CHANGES A LOT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE STILL STUCK IN NEUTRAL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THINGS ARE, THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD.

NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT TWO STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN.

NOW DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NEXT? MAJOR? SO, AS SEEMS, YES, SIR.

I'M HERE.

I APOLOGIZE.

UM, AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISCOMMUNICATION.

I, I, I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT THAT I WOULD BE GIVING MY UPDATE, UM, BEFORE OR DURING THE LETTER.

SO, UM, HOWEVER, YES, SO WE ARE PREPARING THE FILE, PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN JUST WALK IT UPSTAIRS.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN TOMORROW SO THAT WE CAN GET IT AGAIN TO THE ASSIGNED ASSISTANT CHIEF.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO WHEN HE GOES TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, THEN WHERE DOES IT GO? UM, SO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WILL REVIEW IT AND THEN HE OR SHE WILL DETERMINE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL HAVE A DISCIPLINARY HEARING WITH THESE OFFICERS.

UM, AND AGAIN, I WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL HE OR SHE REVIEWS THAT CASE.

AND THEN LETS ME KNOW THAT A HEARING, YOU KNOW, WILL BE PUT TOGETHER ON THE, ON THE CALENDAR SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS OFFICER AND REGARDING THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE.

AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, UH, THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WILL MAKE THEIR FINAL DECISION ON, ON IT, ON OUR FINDINGS.

OKAY.

UH, UH, ONE LAST QUESTION.

MAJOR, AND, AND, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, UM, MR. LANE IS HERE WITH US.

THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, IT'LL BE NINE MONTHS.

DO WE REALLY THINK THIS'LL BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TO DRAG ON A YEAR.

I MEAN, IT IT IS, IT IS TERRIBLE THAT IT'S TAKEN THIS LONG.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU, YES, SIR.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU SAY YES? NO, MAYBE SLOW? NO SLOW? YES.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT I HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH ENSURING THAT OUR CASES ARE COMPLETED WITHIN A YEAR.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CHIEF GARCIA HAD HAD IMPLEMENTED WHEN HE ARRIVED HERE.

UM, SOME CASES DO TAKE LONGER THAN A YEAR.

UH, AGAIN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON EVERYTHING THAT IS INVOLVED WITH EVIDENCE AND INTERVIEWS AND GETTING ON PEOPLE'S CALENDARS.

THERE'S JUST A NUMBER OF FACTORS.

HOWEVER, FOR THIS CASE, WHICH IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION, WE HAVE MOVED AS QUICKLY AS WE WERE ABLE TO WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS UNDER OUR CONTROL HERE IN IADI DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS LAG TIME WITH THE OFFICER THAT WAS OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE.

UM, AND SO THEREFORE WE DID HAVE TO PLACE THIS OUT ON A HOLD UNTIL THAT OFFICER RETURNED, WHICH HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

I THINK RIGHT NOW, MAYBE THE MISCOMMUNICATION IS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, WHEN THE LETTER I BELIEVE WAS SENT TO OCPO FROM CHIEF GARCIA, WELL, THERE HAS BEEN MOVEMENT SINCE THEN.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS A LETTER THAT I, I, HE SPOKE ON WHERE THE CASE WAS AT THAT TIME.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE MOVED FURTHER ALONG WITH IT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

QUESTION FOR MAJOR ALLEGATIONS.

SO ARE WE, ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WILL HAVE A DECISION IN THIS CASE BY NEXT, MR. HIGGINS? MR. HIGGINS, MR. VICE CHAIR? YES.

I NEED YOU TO, UM, TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE CHAIR TO ENGAGE WITH, UH, MAJOR ALANIS AND ALSO CHAIR, IT'S THE CHAIR'S DECISION ON, ON WHAT FURTHER IS HAPPENING FROM HERE.

WHY ARE YOU, WHY ARE YOU ADVISING ME IN THAT WAY? UH, VICE CHAIR, BECAUSE I, I HEAR PEOPLE INTERJECTING THAT ARE AROUND THE OVAL, UM, WITHOUT ANY, ANY, UH,

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GUIDANCE FROM YOU, SIR.

THE, THE CHAIR.

THE CHAIR WAS GETTING READY TO SPEAK.

OKAY, MR. HIGGINS, YOU CAN, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MEISE? YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND I'LL, I'LL COMMENT AFTER YOU.

YEAH.

APOLOGIES IF I SPOKE OVER YOU.

I'M ON, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE PHONE.

BUT, UM, UH, DO WE HAVE, IS THAT A GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL BE DONE BY THEN? BECAUSE IF SO, I STILL THINK THERE'S A LETTER TO BE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS.

UM, UH, I KNOW THAT WHEN THE FORMER, THE, THE, THE PA THE, THE CHIEF BEFORE CHIEF GARCIA, THEIR, THEIR, UH, WINDOW FOR INVESTIGATIONS WAS MUCH SHORTER THAN A YEAR.

AND I WANT TO KNOW WHEN WE GET OUR CONVERSATION WITH GARCIA, THE WHY THAT CHANGED AND WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.

UM, BECAUSE IT WAS MUCH A MUCH SHORTER WINDOW OF TIME TO GET INVESTIGATIONS, UH, THE INVESTIGATION CYCLE.

THANK YOU, MR. HIGGINS.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR MAJOR ALANIS.

UH, HAS, HAS THE TIMELINE GOTTEN LONGER WITH THIS CURRENT POLICE CHIEF? UH, WHAT, UH, AS FAR AS INVESTIGATIONS, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? UH, WILL YOU EXPLAIN TO US KIND OF HOW THAT HAS WORKED? YES, SIR.

SO, UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO QUESTIONS AT HAND.

THE FIRST ONE WAS, IF I COULD GUARANTEE SOMETHING, WHICH I CANNOT, I CAN ONLY UPDATE YOU ON WHERE I AM ON THE PROGRESS.

UH, AGAIN, FOR THE CASE BEING SENT UP TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, I, I'M, I'M SURE HE WILL LOOK AT THIS.

THEY USUALLY LOOK AT THEM WITHIN A TIMELY MANNER, BUT I CANNOT GUARANTEE WHEN HE OR SHE WILL BE REVIEWING IT.

UM, I, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM TOMORROW WHEN I DO TAKE IT UPSTAIRS TO SEE WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME I'M LOOKING AT OR WHERE, UM, WHAT, WHAT TIMEFRAME WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THEIR CALENDAR, SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO HAVE A HEARING.

I DON'T KNOW.

SO I CANNOT GIVE ANY TYPE OF GUARANTEE TONIGHT, UM, TO, TO YOU, MR. CHAIR OR THE BOARD.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, REGARDING A TIMEFRAME, UH, IN IAD WITH IAD CASES ON THE CHIEF PRIOR TO CHIEF GARCIA, I AM NOT ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT BECAUSE I WAS NOT ASSIGNED TO IAD AT THAT TIME.

UM, I ARRIVED IN, UH, 2021 TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

AND, UM, I, I CAME ALONG THE TIME WHEN CHIEF GARCIA WAS HERE.

HE ACTUALLY PLACED ME HERE.

SO I, I CANNOT SPEAK INTO THAT, BUT I CAN SEE IF I CAN LOOK UP SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU REGARDING THAT TIMEFRAME.

THANK YOU, MAYOR ALANISE.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THIS UPDATE.

THIS DOES, UH, CHANGE SOME OF THE, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD.

UH, LET'S OPEN THE FLOOR UP AGAIN, UH, TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE NEED TO, UH, AMEND THAT MOTION THAT WAS EXPRESSED EARLIER.

YES, DR.

LAUREN GRU SMITH, MR. CHAIR, I DID HAVE, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION TO MAJOR ALANISE.

YES.

UM, MAJOR ALANISE.

ARE THERE TWO SEPARATE INVESTIGATIONS? ONE FOR THE OFFICERS WHO DID NOT WEAR THEIR, UH, BODY CAMERA.

AND ONE FOR THE OFFICERS WHO WE SAW ON THE VIDEO WHO HAD ON THEIR BODY CAMERAS.

OKAY.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ASKING IF THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE INVESTIGATIONS, AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

WE HAVE ONE INVESTIGATION WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL, ALL FOUR OF THE OFFICERS AND ANY POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS FROM ALL COURT INVOLVED OFFICERS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES.

UH, D WANDSWORTH DISTRICT 12.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MAJOR ALANISE.

IT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION TO HER.

IN AUGUST OF 2023, THAT SIX MONTHS AGO, THAT WAS UNDER THE PRIOR CHAIRMAN AND THE PRIOR DIRECTOR, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR OFFICERS TO FIND OUT OR VERIFY TEXAS LAW WHEN A PERSON WHO IS SO CONFRONTED WITH THOSE OFFICERS SAYS, BUT THERE'S A LAW I'M ALLOWED TO DO X OR Y WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN AN ANSWER AS TO HOW AN OFFICER FINDS OUT.

I HAVE HEARD INFORMALLY THAT IT IS CUSTOMARY FOR OFFICERS TO CALL THE JAIL.

THAT THE JAIL KNOWS WHAT OFFENSES, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LAW IS AT THE JAIL.

AND THAT'S KIND OF INFORMAL, BUT I, WE HAVE NEVER, AS A GROUP HAD AN ANSWER TO THAT.

SO THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTIONS OF FOLLOW UP TO AUGUST OF 2023.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS, TONIGHT, MAJOR ALLEN STATED THAT IT'S A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME FOR INVESTIGATION.

NOW IS THAT ONE YEAR START THE DAY OF THE OFFENSE, OR THE DAY OF THE COMPLAINT? I WANNA CLARIFY WHAT TIMEFRAME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

ARE WE GOING BACK TO AUGUST? ARE WE

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GOING BACK TO JULY? ARE WE GOING BACK TO, YEAH.

WHERE ARE WE GOING BACK TO JUNE WHEN IT HAPPENED? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PROCEDURE.

SO MINE ARE BOTH PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO ASK MAJOR ESE.

THANK YOU.

MAJOR ESE.

DID YOU, UH, DID YOU HEAR THOSE TWO QUESTIONS? AND WOULD YOU MIND RESPONDING, UH, TO THOSE, UM, IF POSSIBLE? YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIR.

SO REGARDING THE FIRST ONE, UM, OFFICERS CONTACTING THE JAIL, UH, THAT IS ONE AVENUE THAT THEY CAN TAKE.

UH, BUT IN ORDER TO GET A FORMAL RESPONSE TO THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO CONFER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEE HOW THEY WOULD, UM, TALK ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO AND DO NOT ENFORCE.

UM, WHICH, IF THAT IS A REQUEST THAT YOU AND YOUR BOARD ARE HAVING, I, I CAN WORK WITH, I GUESS, UH, YOU OR MS. CHANDLER ON, ON GETTING THAT SO THAT I CAN GET THAT WRITTEN RESPONSE TO YOU.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, I BELIEVE ON THE TIMEFRAME.

SO THE YEAR STARTS FROM THE MOMENT THAT I ASSIGN IT AS AN INVESTIGATION TO ONE OF MY DETECTIVES HERE.

AND, UH, BY CHANCE, DO YOU KNOW THAT DATE, UH, WITH THE DYNELL LANE CASE OFFHAND WHEN, UH, WHEN THAT HAPPENED? I DO NOT HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I CAN PROVIDE TO YOU.

AND, UM, AND, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE, IF, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT COMMUNICATION, YES, THAT'D BE GREAT.

WE'LL BE IN TOUCH ABOUT THAT AND I CAN COMMUNICATE THAT DATE, UH, TO THE BOARD AS, AS WELL.

UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MAJOR ALANISE REGARDING, UH, THE DANA LANE CASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT MAJOR ALANISE, BUT, BUT IT'S ABOUT IT.

UM, I, I, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THIS ID UPDATE, UH, BEFORE WE WALKED INTO THIS MEETING.

UM, I THINK WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS IN A MEMO OVER EMAIL, AND I THINK IT WOULD'VE SAVED US ALL A LOT OF TIME EARLIER, AND WE WOULD'VE HAD A LITTLE MORE CLARITY SO THAT WE WOULD'VE BEEN PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THIS BETTER.

UM, SO I, I WOULD ASK, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN THAT WE ASK THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE SERVICE SITE TO COORDINATE WITH ID SO THAT WHEN THIS IS CONCLUDED, IF IT IS CONCLUDED BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, WE GET THAT UPDATE OVER EMAIL BEFORE WE COME IN HERE.

AS SOON AS SOON AS THIS IS CONCLUDED, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS.

THAT'S GREAT.

SO IT'S BEING COMMUNICATED, UH, UH, WITH THE, THE OFFICE, IF YOU CAN BE IN TOUCH WITH, UH, IAD AND IF THERE IS ANY UPDATE TO THIS CASE, UH, WE ASK THAT THAT'S COMMUNICATED TO THE BOARD IF POSSIBLE.

YES, THAT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.

AND SO, UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, CARRIED FORTH.

UM, THANK YOU, MAJOR ALANIS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT MOTION NOW THAT THIS INFORMATION HAS COME OUT.

UM, YES.

JONATHAN MAPLES.

UH, IS THIS ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE MOTION? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

'CAUSE WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, UH, HOW ARE WE GONNA AMEND IT? WE STATE SAY THE SAME.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I DON'T WANT TO AMEND NOTHING.

THE CASE ISN'T OVER.

I DON'T WANNA AMEND A THING.

WE JUST MOVED FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA AMEND ANYTHING.

I STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY.

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN OVER A LONG TIME AGO.

I, I APPRECIATE MAJOR ALANISE.

WE APPRECIATE THE UPDATE.

I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS BEFORE WE CAME IN HERE, BUT WE DIDN'T.

SO NO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT AMEND ANYTHING.

THANK YOU.

DERRICK GRAM, DISTRICT SIX, PLEASE.

YES, YOU THE FLOOR.

ONCE AGAIN, I'M NEW TO THIS, I'M FIGURING IT OUT, BUT I CAN SEE REAL CLEAR IF THIS WAS ALREADY UPDATED WITH MAJOR.

AND WE GET THIS LETTER FROM FEBRUARY 7TH ABOUT SOMETHING SHE ALMOST VERBATIM SAID A MONTH EARLIER.

IT ONLY SPEAKS, AND THIS IS MY OPINION STRONGLY, AND I HAVE IT OF THE DISDAIN FOR THE BOARD.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES, CHAIR.

UM, THIS ONE YEAR GOAL FOR A RESOLUTION OF AN IED CASE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME JUST FROM MAJOR ALANIS'S MOUTH THAT WE'RE HEARING OF, THAT WE HAVE ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER WHAT IS THE TIMELINE.

AND WE GET THIS ONE PAGE LETTER THAT DOES NOT EVEN SAY ONE YEAR IS OUR GOAL.

IT IS DISRESPECTFUL.

WE HAVE ASKED, WE HAVE ASKED FOR NINE MONTHS.

WE HAVE GOTTEN, OR FOR SEVEN MONTHS, AND WE HAVE GOTTEN NOTHING.

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