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[Dallas Design District TIF District Board of Directors Meeting on February 12, 2024.]
UM, DESIGN DISTRICT BOARD MEETING TO ORDER ON FEBRUARY 12TH, 2024 AT 2:02 PM AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR CHAIR.UM, I THINK WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW MEMBER, ERIC MOORE, TO MY RIGHT.
UM, AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM ABOARD.
HE LIVES IN THE DISTRICT AND HAS BEEN, UH, ACTIVE IN A NUMBER OF CITY VENTURES, I GUESS RIGHT WAY.
UM, SO LET'S GET ONTO THE AGENDA.
I THINK THE FIRST ITEM WOULD BE, UH, LOOK OVER THE LAST, UH, MEETING MINUTES.
AND, UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR COMMENTS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AYE, NICHOLAS? UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, SUE THIS, DOES EVERYBODY HEAR US OKAY? WE'VE HAD SOME MICROPHONE ISSUES IN THE PAST.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR MY SUGGESTIONS THAT WE
AND I THINK THERE MAY BE FEW MORE PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE JOINING THEN TOO, SO.
UM, MARK, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ON, DO YOU WANNA TAKE OVER? SO MARK, I HAVE THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU SENT ALREADY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT US TO PULL THAT UP OR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING MORE
UH, I HAVE VIRTUALLY THE SAME PRESENTATION WITH A TWEAK OR TWO SO I CAN SHARE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, JOSEPH, CAN YOU GIVE HIM SHARING PERMISSION OR IF NOT, WE CAN PULL UP WHAT WE HAVE.
I CAN GIVE HIM SHARING POSITION.
YOU SHOULD HAVE SHARING, SHARING RIGHTS.
YEAH, OF ALL THAT'S BEING PULLED UP SINCE WE HAVE SOME NEWER FOLKS, UM, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN KIND OF IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OR IN THE DESIGN STAGE ESSENTIALLY SINCE 2020.
THAT'S WHEN WE, UM, FIRST HAD THE, THE IDEA OF THE PROJECT COME FORWARD.
THE RECOMMENDED DESIGN INSTRUCTION FUNDING ESSENTIALLY BEEN IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, UM, SINCE LATE 2020.
UM, ENCOUNTERED SOME CHALLENGES SUCH AS HAVING TO DO SOME ENVIRONMENTAL WORK INTO THE, UM, THE FLOODWAY AREA.
BUT NOW WE ARE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY AT THE STAGE OF, OF FINALIZING THE, THE, AT LEAST THE BASE LEVEL PROJECT FOR MOVING FORWARD TO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY SCREEN OKAY? YES.
ALRIGHT, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE, THIS IS KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL GO THROUGH OF THE PROJECT AND STARTING FROM KIND OF WHERE IT IS IN THE CITY AND WHAT THE DESIGN IS AND HOW IT FITS IN WITH THE AREA.
SO THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT, THERE'S HIGHLINE DRIVE RIGHT HERE.
THE NEW IVY PROJECT WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS WHERE OUR TRAILHEAD PLAZA WOULD BE, WOULD START.
THIS WOULD BE OUR NEW PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE GOING ACROSS THE TURTLE CREEK FLOODWAY AND LANDING OVER NEAR, UH, RODEO GOAT AND FERRIS WHEELER.
AND THEN PROCEEDING ALONG UNDER MARKET DRIVE AND THEN BACK UP ALONG THIS GREEN AREA HERE.
AND THEN COMING BACK ACROSS TO IRVING BOULEVARD HERE.
ESTIMATE FOR THE PROJECT, IT'S GONE UP IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.
IT'S ABOUT 6 MILLION RIGHT NOW FOR FEES AND SOFT COSTS.
THE PRIMARY BRIDGE, A PREFAB SECONDARY BRIDGE, THE TRAIL UNDERPASS AND THE REST OF THE AMENITIES.
AND THEN WE HAVE LINE ITEMS DOWN HERE THAT COULD BE ADDED AS ADD ALTERNATES OR AS OUR BUDGET MAY INCREASE DUE TO CONTRIBUTIONS.
SOME OF THESE COULD BE ADDED, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COST RIGHT NOW.
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WE'VE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL CONCEPTS ON THIS TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY.THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE HOTEL AND SEE HIGHLINE DRIVE HERE.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE NEW IRBY DEVELOPMENT HERE WITH THE DRIVEWAYS.
WE ARE GONNA TRY TO PRESERVE SOME EXISTING TREES IN THE AREA.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE GOING ACROSS TURTLE CREEK AND THEN LANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE NEAR RODEO GOATS.
AND THEN WITH THE TRAIL PROCEEDING DOWN ALONG THIS AREA HERE, THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE CENTER OF HIGHLINE DRIVE IN THE MEDIAN TRAIL.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE SCULPTURE MIGHT BE HERE.
THIS IS A BACKDROP OF A SHADE STRUCTURE COVERED WITH VINES TREES FOR SHADE AND FOR FRAMING THE PLAZA AND CROSSWALK LEADING UP TO THE PLAZA DECORATIVE RAILINGS AS NEEDED.
HERE'S ANOTHER KIND OF BIRD'S EYE VIEW HERE WE ARE AT THE END OF THE HIGH LINE CROSSWALK ACROSS WHERE THE PLAZA IS HERE IN HERE, THE CENTERPIECE SCULPTURE AND THAT SHADE STRUCTURE I WAS REFERRING TO BEFORE.
SOME SCREENING OF THE TREES FROM THIS DRIVE OF THE
THERE'LL BE SEEDING UNDER THIS GROVER TREES AS WELL AS SEATING UNDER THIS SHAPE STRUCTURE AND POTENTIALLY WITH A LITTLE SEAT WALL AROUND THIS SCULPTURE AREA.
HERE'S A VIEW DOWN ON THE EXISTING TRAIL.
THIS IS A STAIRWAY SLASH SEAT WALL, INFORMAL AMPHITHEATER DOWN TO THE TRAIL.
YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRWAY COMING DOWN JUST BEHIND IT RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE WALL OF THE PLAZA ABOVE.
THIS IS A POTENTIAL, ANOTHER PLACE FOR A WALL SCULPTURE HERE MOUNTED ON THIS CONCRETE CAST IN PLACE WALL.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR BRIDGE GOING ACROSS THE CREEK.
WE'RE USING AN ARCH STRUCTURE HERE WITH A BRIDGE DECK ON TOP OF THAT DECORATIVE RAILING HERE.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE AN ELEVATION OF THE BRIDGE HERE.
SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS TO NOT ONLY MAKE THESE SUPPORTS DECORATIVE, BUT ALSO STRUCTURAL.
SO THEY'RE ALL, UH, TIED IN INTEGRALLY TO THE DESIGN AND STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BRIDGE.
AND WE HAVE A COUPLE BRIDGE SECTIONS HERE, WHICH KIND OF SHOW, UM, WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU SIT, IF YOU'RE ON THE TRAIL HERE UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE.
LOOKING ACROSS, THIS IS THE EX EXISTING BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE OVERPASS OVER TURTLE CREEK ON MARKET CENTER DRIVE.
SO THIS IS MARKET CENTER HERE AND HERE.
AND WE WILL HAVE A TRAIL COMING IN BETWEEN THESE STRUCTURAL COLUMNS AND THIS, UH, APRON PAVED SLOPE APRON HERE.
THEN WE'LL HAVE ACCESS UP TO MARK AND CENTER WITH THE STAIRWAY HERE, WHICH WOULD KIND OF BE COMING THROUGH HERE.
AND THEN SWITCH BACK AND GO UP ALONG THIS WALL HERE AND DUMP YOU ONTO THE SIDEWALK UP MARKET CENTER DRIVE.
THIS IS JUST SHOWING SOME NEXT, SOME OPTIONS FOR SOME DESIGN ELEMENTS.
HERE'S THAT STAIRWAY WE SHOWED BEFORE AND THE LITTLE AMPHITHEATER WALLS HERE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING TRAIL KIND OF REALIGNED FOR THE BRIDGE SUPPORTS HERE AND FOR THIS PLAZA.
AND WE CONNECT BACK INTO THE EXISTING TRAIL HERE.
HERE'S SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES WE'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA SAVE.
THIS IS THE DRIVE THAT GOES FROM HIGHLINE DOWN TO THE BACK OF THE IRBY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH EXISTS TODAY.
AND AS YOU COME OVER THE BRIDGE DECK HERE IS THE LITTLE MINI PLAZA WITH ANOTHER SHADE STRUCTURE.
SI SIMILAR TO THIS ONE ON THE RODEO GOAT SIDE.
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PROCEEDING TO THE SOUTH.THIS SHOWS SOME OPTIONS FOR THE GUARDRAIL THAT IS GONNA GO ON THE BRIDGE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE FOR THE BRIDGE IS INTEGRAL LIGHTING.
THAT IS GONNA BE INTEGRAL TO WHATEVER PANEL OPTION WE CHOOSE.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE LIGHTING HERE, WHICH WOULD BE INTEGRATED HERE INTO THE POSTS OF THE, OF THE RAILING PANEL.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THIS LIGHTING, WHICH EXISTS ALONG THE MEDIAN TRAIL OUT AT HIGHLINE, AND WE WANNA POTENTIALLY INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE PLAZA.
SOME OF THE DIFFERENT DECORATIVE PANELS WE'RE THINKING OF USING EITHER IN THIS OPTION OR THIS OPTION HERE, KIND OF FRAMING THE POST AND LIGHT WOULD BE HERE.
WE'RE SHOWING KIND OF A LEAF PATTERN.
SO THIS IS AN ETCHING, UM, ETCHING OF A LEAF PATTERN ONTO METAL PUNCHED METAL, LASER CUT METAL.
UM, ANY ONE OF THOSE WOULD, WOULD BE A, A NICE DECORATIVE ELEMENT TO ADD TO THE RAILING.
THIS IS SOME RENDERINGS, 3D VIEWS OF THE SHADE STRUCTURE.
WHAT THIS IS GONNA BE IS A METAL FRAME AND THE IDEA IS TO PICK UP ON THE ARCHWAY OPENINGS OF THE BRIDGE BELOW.
SO WE HAVE THE ARCHWAY OPENINGS DOWN HERE AND WE'RE PICKING UP ON THAT DECORATIVE DEVELOPMENT HERE, BUT WE ALSO WANT IT TO HAVE THIS LATTICE WORK OF METAL CANOPY OVER THE SHADE CANOPY TO ACT AS A DECORATIVE ELEMENT WHILE THE VINES ARE GROWING AND HAVEN'T MATURED YET.
SO WE HAVE A DECORATIVE BACKDROP AS PART OF THE CANOPY.
THIS IS A VIEW OF, UM, AGAIN, ALONG EXISTING TRAIL TOWARDS THE BRIDGE.
WE'RE SHOWING JUST THE COLORS OF THESE WALLS.
AND THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THIS WALL BEING BIND CLAD.
IT WOULD BE A MEDIUM SANDBLAST TEXTURE WITH THESE VIND CLAD OR BINDS CLADDING THIS WALL.
WE'D HAVE TO MAKE AN ACCOMMODATION IF THERE IS GONNA BE A WALL SCULPTURE HERE TO EXCLUDE VINES FROM THAT.
BUT WE WANT TO SHOW AN OPTION HERE SHOWING HOW WE'RE INTRODUCING A GREEN ELEMENT TO THIS WALL AND JUST NOT HAVING A BLANK WALL.
SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS ARE HOW THE COMPLETION OF HIGHLINE DRIVE IS GONNA AFFECT THE PROJECT, THE LIGHTING, WHICH I TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ALREADY.
AND THEN ONE OF THE BIGGER ONES IS THE ENCORE UTILITIES, WHICH ARE EXISTING OVERHEAD UTILITIES.
AND THIS SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE ALIGNMENT OF THOSE OVERHEAD LINES HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE IMAGE THE STREET VIEW HERE, THEY'RE HERE AND HERE OVER THE EXISTING PLAZA.
AND SO RIGHT NOW THERE WOULD BE JUST TO THE I SIDE OF WHATEVER SCULPTURE IS GOING IN HERE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY PUT THEM UNDERGROUND SO THEY WOULDN'T INTERFERE, INTERFERE WITH ANY PROPOSED TREES HERE, THE SCULPTURE OR REALLY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS AREA BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY HAVING A CRANE IN HERE.
UM, ESPECIALLY FOR GETTING THAT BRIDGE IN THERE.
AND HAVING THAT BRIDGE BE CONNECTED TO THE PLAZA.
SO LOOKING AT THIS PIECE, UM, ENCORE GAVE US A A ROUGH NUMBER FOR WHAT IT COSTS PER LINEAR FOOT TO PUT THIS OVERHEAD LINE UNDERGROUND.
IT'S ANYWHERE BETWEEN A THOUSAND TO $1,500 PER LINEAR FOOT.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT CHEAP, BUT WE THINK IT'D BE AN IMPORTANT PIECE FOR THE PROJECT, UH, NOT TO HAVE THOSE OVERHEAD LINES RIGHT OVER THE PLAZA.
WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL COST OF THAT THEN? IF IT'S, IF YOU SAID IT'S 1000 A UH, LINEAR SQUARE FOOT, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 150 FEET LONG THIS STRETCH HERE.
THAT'S CHEAPER THAN I THOUGHT.
SO MARK, HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU IN THAT, UM, THAT NUMBER? DID ENCORE MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE WAS ANY OBSTACLES FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT TO BURY THE LINES? NO, THEY DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS A DETECTIVE OF ANY KIND OF TECHNICAL ISSUES THERE.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE A DESIGN FOR IT, BUT, UM, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP IS TO GET THIS
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IN FRONT OF THEM AND HAVE THEM DO A DESIGN FOR IT.BUT, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FEEDBACK THAT THERE BE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
SO THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THEM NEEDING LIKE SPACE FOR TRANSFORMER BOXES OR VAULTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THERE MAY NEED A, THEY MAY NEED A TRANSFORMER OVER HERE AT THE BASE OF THIS POLE.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT UM, THAT'S WHAT THEIR DESIGN WOULD SHOW.
SO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S THINGS NEEDED LIKE EQUIPMENT RELATED STUFF THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT IT ON THE PUBLIC TRAIL, LIKE THE PLAZA, WE WOULD FIND SPACE FOR IT.
'CAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO HAVE TO LIKE ASK SOME PRIVATE OWNERS FOR EASEMENTS, WHICH PROBABLY BE VERY CHALLENGING.
WELL I IMAGINE THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE, IT WOULD BE WITHIN THEIR EASEMENT.
AND I IMAGINE THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT RIGHT HERE FOR THIS OVERHEAD LINE.
THAT EXTENDS ALONG HERE SOMEWHERE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW BIG IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE WOULD HAVE, THIS OVERHEAD LINE WOULD HAVE TO BE PUT IN THE DUMP BANK OF SOME KIND UNDERGROUND, WHICH IS JUST BASICALLY A, A TRENCH THAT'S COVERED WITH CONCRETE WITH A CONDUIT BELOW IT SO THEY CAN PULL THE LINE THROUGH THERE.
UH, AND IT'S PROTECTED FROM ANY KIND OF, UM, CONSTRUCTION THAT MAY GO AROUND IT.
AND I GUESS YOUR OTHER, UM, NEXT STEP RELATED TO LIGHTING.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF PARK DEPARTMENT STAFF HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THE OPTIONS THAT YOU PRESENTED TO THEM.
YEAH, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE GOT ME THE CITY STANDARD, UM, FOR THEIR TYPICAL TRAIL LIGHTING, WHICH IS, UM, A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN THIS SLIDE.
IT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED AN LED SHOEBOX, WHICH IS JUST BASICALLY A FLAT LED DESIGN AND NO DECORATIVE DEVELOPMENT TO IT REALLY.
UM, BUT SINCE THIS IS ALREADY AT THE MEDIAN TRAIL, UH, OUR IDEA WAS TO TRY TO CONTINUE THAT AS PART OF THE PLAZA LIGHTING TOO.
I KNOW WE TALKED INTERNALLY ABOUT, UM, LIGHTING ON THE BRIDGE ITSELF, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THERE WAS SOME DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER TO DO LIGHTING ON THE BRIDGES OR JUST LIGHT THE STAIRCASES THAT LEAD DOWN TO THE TRAIL.
THERE WAS A ISSUE ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS AS THIS TRAIL GOES DOWN INTO THIS, THIS, THIS WHOLE THING IS CONSIDERED A FLOODWAY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTING ALONG THIS EXISTING TRAIL RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE REALLY IS NO WAY TO PUT LIGHTING DOWN HERE AND THEN HAVE THIS AREA FILL UP WITH WATER AND HAVE THAT LIGHTING CONTINUE TO FUNCTION.
UM, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ESSENTIALLY A UNDERWATER LIGHT AND THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE THOSE TO FUNCTION FOR TRAIL LIGHTING.
UM, SO ANY KINDA LIGHTING OF THIS STAIRWAY WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR, WOULD HAVE TO BE ON A POLE UP HERE SHINING DOWN ON THESE STEPS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE BRIDGE LIGHTING, UM, AS I SHOWED HERE IS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO IT'S INTEGRAL TO THE BRIDGE.
SO IT DOES HIGHLIGHT THE FORM OF THE BRIDGE AND THE PANEL THAT IN THIS RAILING THAT'S GONNA BE ALONG HERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS DONE BEFORE, AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS ALSO ON TECH STOP BRIDGES, IS THEY HAVE A LITTLE, UM, PLATE EXTENDING OUT FROM THE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE OUT THIS WAY AND THAT SUPPORTS A POLE LIGHT THAT SITS HERE AND SHINES DOWN ONTO THE BRIDGE.
AND YOU'VE SEEN THAT, LIKE I SAID, WITH TECH STOCK, I'VE SEEN IT WITH SOME PREFAB BRIDGES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON TRAILS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE LIGHTING AS PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE AND NOT ADD A DIFFERENT ELEMENT ONTO IT THAT MIGHT TAKE AWAY FROM THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE.
IS IS PARK DEPARTMENT WEIGHED ON, WEIGHED IN ON WHETHER THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT OR IS THAT STILL UNDER DISCUSSION? STILL UNDER DISCUSSION? IS THAT, I THINK YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION MARK.
I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR THAT QUESTION.
ARE YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS? IS THAT, DO YOU HAVE MORE? YES.
UM, OKAY, WELL I'LL LEAD OFF WITH A FEW, I GUESS, UM, LIGHTING.
I WONDER IF WE CAN DO SOLAR LIGHTING ON THE BRIDGE AND THEN NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY WIRES OR, UH,
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VANDALISM OF COPPER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT SOLAR AT ALL? YEAH, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE VENDOR, HE DID BRING THAT UP AND THEY HAVE A SOLAR BOLLARD THAT THEY CARRY, BUT HE DID A PHOTOMETRIC OF IT AND IT DID, DOESN'T GIVE THE COVERAGE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE WITHOUT HAVING SO MANY ELEMENTS ON OR SO MANY BALLARDS ON THERE THAT IT STARTS TO KIND OF DOMINATE THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE.
UM, WE MAY USE IT ON THE PREFAB BRIDGE IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK WITH THE PREFAB STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT SOLAR POLE LIGHTING FOR THE BRIDGE, BUT I KNOW THAT IS USED ON DIFFERENT TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX SOMETIMES WHERE THEY DON'T WANNA PUT, UM, AND RUN WIRES FOR, FOR NON-SOLAR LIGHTING.
SO I, I HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE, BUT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT FOR LIGHTING THE BRIDGE OR THE TRAIL ON THIS ONE.
THAT IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT WHILE YOU, WHY YOU MENTIONED THAT.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS, ARE YOU MAKING ANY UM, UH, LIKE SO WE CAN KEEP THE, THE ACCESS TO THE PRESENT TRAIL OPEN OR BECAUSE PEOPLE COME DOWN HIGHLINE DRIVE WITH A NEW, UM, UH, ACCESS THAT THE LOOP HAS DONE AND THEN WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET ONTO THE TRINITY STRAND TRAIL WHILE THIS CONSTRUCTION'S GOING ON.
WOULD THAT BE FEASIBLE, DO YOU THINK? UH, YEAH, WE CAN TRY TO LOOK AT HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
UM, I THINK THIS LAST IMAGE HAS, HAS THE EXISTING TRAILHEAD HERE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO TRY TO KEEP SOMETHING OPEN HERE.
UM, I MEAN, IT MAY BE THAT YOU CLOSE IT FROM, YOU KNOW, AT A CERTAIN POINT, BUT YEAH, AT LEAST, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY OF THE TIME, HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP THAT OPEN.
AND THEN, UM, THE, THE SHADE STRUCTURE, IS THAT, ARE THEY COMPLETELY OVERHEAD OR ARE THEY ANGLED? I CAN'T TELL FROM THE, FROM THE DESIGN.
I WAS NEEDING TO ASK YOU BEFORE, AND I FORGOT, IS THAT, IS THAT A COMPLETELY LIKE, OVERHEAD SO THAT IF YOU'RE SITTING, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE SUN, AS LONG AS THE SUN'S OVER YOU, IT'S GONNA BE SHADY? YEAH, THE, THE IDEA IS THIS, THIS ENTIRE LATTICE WOULD BE COVERED WITH VINES, RIGHT.
SO IT WOULD SHADE THE ENTIRE AREA UNDERNEATH THE SHADE STRUCTURE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE COVERED FROM ABOUT PROBABLY HERE UP, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, WE'RE STARTING ABOVE HEAD HEIGHT HERE, SO YOU'RE PROBABLY STARTING ABOUT HERE AND HAVE THE VINES COVERING ALL OF THIS.
SO LATE AFTERNOON AND EARLY IN THE MORNING, OBVIOUSLY NOT, BUT THE REST OF THE DAY.
WITH, WITH, WITH THE VARIOUS SUN ANGLES, UM, IT WOULD BE TOUGH TO HAVE IT COMPLETELY SHADED.
UM, NOW THE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE OUT THERE MAY PROVIDE SOME SUPPLEMENTAL SHADE TOO, BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO HAVE PLENTY OF SURVEILLANCE ACROSS HERE.
SO IF SOMEBODY'S UNDERNEATH THE SHADE CANOPY, THEY FEEL SAFE SEEING ACROSS THE PLAZA AND ABOUT AND IN THE SPACES ABOUT THEM.
DO THE STEPS, DID THEY FALL INTO THE 4 0 8 OR UH, OR ARE THEY COMPLETELY SEPARATE OR NOT NEEDING TO BE DONE? YOU MEAN AS FAR AS BEING PART OF THE, BEING ACCEPTED AS PART OF THE DESIGN FOR THE WELL, AS FAR AS THE REPORT WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS? YEAH.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE PART OF THE DOCUMENTS WE SENT THEM AND, AND THEY, THEY ACCEPTED THAT THE DESIGN WOULD BE COMPENSATED, THE FILL HERE WOULD BE COMPENSATED BY REMOVING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, WHEN YOU GO UNDER MARKET CENTER, UM, WE'VE GOT SOME PROBLEMS DOWN AT WHITECLIFF THERE WITH, WITH MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE WHEN WE DO HAVE A RAIN EVENT, THAT TRAIL IS SO LOW THERE LOW, AND YOU WORK WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE, IF THE ROOM IS THERE THAT WE CAN HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
SO HOPEFULLY SOME OF THOSE EVENTS WE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE THEM KEEP CLEANING.
WE DID TALK TO PARKS EARLY ON ABOUT COORDINATING THEM WITH MAINTENANCE, UM, OF THE TRAIL.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE HAVING AROUND THE BRIDGES, AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE IT HERE, IS HAVING PLENTY OF, PLENTY OF THE APRON PRESERVED AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OR RECONSTRUCTED.
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THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF ISSUES ALONG THE TRAIL IN ANY SORT OF TIGHT LITTLE PLANTING AREAS IN BETWEEN THE TRAIL.THERE WAS CONCERN WHEN WE DID THE ONE YEARS AGO UNDER IFF THAT THEY WANTED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HEAD ROOM AND I THINK THEY KIND OF, THEY WENT OVERBOARD AND BY DOING THAT THEY PUSHED THE TRAIL DOWN AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH, UH, DEBRIS AND STUFF THAT GETS CAUGHT.
BUT THAT'S A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE WORKING ON AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT YEAH, WE'RE, I, I THINK, I THINK THAT THE DISTANCE FROM THE TRAIL TO THE, THE LOWEST PART OF THE BRIDGE STRUCTURE HERE IS 10 FEET.
UM, SO ONE OTHER THING I'LL HOLD OFF UNTIL LATER ON.
UM, SO ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO JUMP IN AND ASK QUESTIONS THERE? I HAVE A FEW, UH, ACTUALLY ONE WAS RELATED TO THE
CAN SOMEBODY REPEAT THAT? I, I HEARD CONSTRUCTION
YEAH, MARK, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT RELATED TO THE EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT KEEPING THE EXISTING TRAIL OPEN, HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT THE CONSTRUCTION TIME OF THIS PROJECT TO BE? GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST A YEAR.
AND IS THAT SOMEWHAT RELATED TO THE, I THINK I SAW A $540 CONTINGENCY, YOU KNOW, JUST, IS THAT JUST CONSTRUCTION BUDGET 10%? YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE FABRICATION OF THE BRIDGE, HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE TO FABRICATE THE CUSTOM BRIDGE, UM, AND THE LEAD TIMES ON THE MATERIALS.
AND IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CUSTOM RAILING, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE FOR THAT? UM, I THINK THINGS ARE MORE OR LESS BACK TO NORMAL NOW AS FAR AS SUPPLY CHAIN AND, UM, HAVING MATERIALS HANDY.
BUT SOMETIMES WE CAN'T PREDICT HOW LONG A FABRICATION IS GONNA TAKE, BUT I THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD WITH OUR ESTIMATE.
SO MARK, AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, SINCE WE'VE GOT TWO SIDES, YOU KNOW, THEORETICALLY THE CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA BE OCCURRING TWO DIFFERENT SIDES.
SO WOULD, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU IMAGINE THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD OCCUR ON ONE SIDE AND THEN SHIFT OVER? SO YOU'D HAVE AT LEAST OPENING ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER? IT COULD, IT JUST DEPENDS HOW THE CONTRACTOR WANTS TO DO IT AND HOW, IF THE BRIDGE IS COMING IN AS ONE GIANT PIECE LIFTED INTO PLACE ONTO 2, 2, 2 EXISTING ABUTMENTS OR WHETHER IT'S GOING TO, HOW THEY'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT IT, I, IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR ABOUT AND GET THE SEQUENCING FOR THAT AND WHAT HIS NEEDS AND METHODS ARE GONNA BE.
UM, SO CAROLYN, BEFORE YOU, UH, THOMAS, OKAY.
DO ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I MARK, THIS IS, UH, ERIC MOORE AND, UH, PART ME, IF THIS HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE, RELATIVELY NEW, UM, UH, WILL WE BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE THE CASE THAT, UH, THIS IS SUSTAINABLY BUILT, UH, SPECIFIC TO SOME OF THE STRUCTURES AND THE RAILINGS AND WHATNOT? UM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT CASE TO SAY THAT THESE MATERIALS ARE BASED ON SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS OR ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY STANDARDS? IS THAT, HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED OR IS THAT IN THE THOUGHT PROCESS? UH, THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN IN THE THOUGHT PROCESS, UM, THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW ANY KIND OF GREEN BUILDING DESIGN.
UM, IT REALLY HASN'T COME UP BEFORE, SO WE, WE HAVEN'T PURSUED THAT AS A SPECIFIC ITEM.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD MAYBE LOOK INTO MARK? WE COULD LOOK INTO IT.
I MEAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME MATERIALS THAT, THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN OTHERS TO USE.
I I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY IN YOUR FIRM THAT KIND OF, UM, DOES THE, UM, WHAT IS IT WHEN THE
I MEAN, AND, AND, AND, AND THAT ALL TIES TOGETHER.
I MEAN, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY LEAD BUILDINGS, BUT BUT THAT IDEA, I THINK THAT'S A, IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION AND THERE MAY BE NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO.
IT'S AS CONCRETE OR AS A STEEL, BUT, UH, THERE ALSO
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MAY BE SOME SOMETHING AND THEN WE COULD TO ADVERTISE THAT.YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY NEXT, MARK THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, AT WHATEVER LEVEL AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE A DECISION, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH MAYBE LOOKING INTO BECAUSE I THINK THAT LENDS ITSELF TO A, A INTERESTING, UNIQUE NARRATIVE, UH, ON THE BACK END TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT, UH, WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER COMES, UH, THEREAFTER.
NO ONE THING TO CONSIDER IS AS FAR AS IRRIGATION FOR THE PLANT BEDS AND THE PLANTS THEMSELVES, WE ARE LOOKING AT PLANTS THAT ARE LOW MAINTENANCE, TROUT TOLERANT.
DRIP SYSTEMS AND AUTOMATIC CONTROLLERS WITH SOY SOIL MO MOISTURE SENSORS SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING IRRIGATION COME ON WHEN IT'S RAINING OUTSIDE.
SO, SO WE ARE DOING THAT WITH THE IRRIGATION.
WE TYPICALLY DO THAT ANYWAYS ON A PROJECT JUST FOR COMMON SENSE.
UM, BUT UM, YEAH, AS FAR AS THE, THE BRIDGE MATERIALS AND THE METALS BEING USED IN THE SHADE STRUCTURE AND THAT AND THAT SORT OF THING, I CAN LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT AND, AND SEE HOW PRACTICAL IT IS AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
YOU SEE NICHOLAS BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY WANT TO SAY IT.
LUIS, DO YOU GUYS, UH, HAVE ANY, UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR DOES SOMEBODY HAVE SOME BACKGROUND THAT THEY NEED TO? UM, I THINK MARK.
UM, OKAY, THE LAST THING I HAVE IS, MARK, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE IF AN OUTSIDE, UM, SOURCE OF MONEY WERE TO OFFER, UH, JUST SOME CONSULTING DESIGN AMENITY TYPE THINGS FOR EITHER THE, UH, PLAZA OR FOR THE BRIDGE, UM, AND, AND DO IT RATHER QUICKLY AND THEN YOU COULD INCORPORATE IT OR NOT? IT WOULD JUST BE A COLLABORATIVE TYPE THING, UH, THAT WE COULD DO PRETTY QUICKLY IF, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO? UH, AND I'M, I'M REFERRING SPECIFICALLY TO JUST SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, LIKE THE RAILINGS AND STUFF THAT, THAT, THAT MAYBE WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE RELATING TO, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE, THE LOOPS CONNECTION AND THEN WHAT WILL BE HAPPENING ON THE STRAND TRAIL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, SO WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT? COULD YOU BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THIS WOULD DO AND HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE AND WHAT IT IS? WELL, IT, IT HAS TO HAPPEN FAIRLY QUICKLY.
UM, BUT I THINK, UM, WE, WE DO HAVE A, AN OFFER OF, OF A LITTLE BIT EXTRA, UH, TO, TO JUST HELP WITH, WITH, UH, UH, ENHANCING THE, THE DESIGN ASPECT OR, AND MAYBE EVEN I, I, I DON'T KNOW, AS FAR AS IN INCREASING THE SIZE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OF THE PLAZA, I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL USED AS WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE.
UM, BUT I THINK JUST SOME OF THE ELEMENTS ON THE BRIDGE, WE, WE, WE WERE HOPING MAYBE TO, TO BE ABLE TO THINK, RELATE MORE TO, TO THE DESIGN DISTRICT, UH, AND TO THE TRAIL ON BOTH SIDES SO THAT IT ALL HAD A LITTLE MORE OF A COHESIVE, UH, FEEL.
AND, AND, UM, AND NOTHING AGAINST THE DESIGN AS IT IS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL PRETTY HAPPY WITH THAT, BUT THIS MIGHT BE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE AND IT MIGHT WORK OUT.
I'LL TALK TO PRINCIPAL WADE ABOUT THAT AND SEE WHAT HE THINKS THEN LET YOU KNOW.
IF HE WANTS TO, UM, TELL ME I CAN BE A LITTLE MORE, UM, MORE DETAILED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
YEAH, WE NEED THE LOOP AND THE PARTS STAFF TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THE ULTIMATE OWNERS AND THE MANAGING THE CONSTRUCTION TOO, SO.
WELL I THINK THAT'S FROM THE FAR FROM THE BRAIL SIDE.
PAM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? PAM? YOU'RE ON MUTE.
IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE FROM, OH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
CAN SOMEONE UNMUTE PAM? WE'RE JUST UNMUTED YOU, PAM.
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UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TOO, MIKE, IS GET ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON THIS PLAN FROM, FROM LIKE A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE.UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I COULD LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY OR MAYBE SOMEONE FROM POLICE OR SOMEONE FROM PARK SECURITY JUST TO, UH, MAKE SURE THE DESIGN IN CASE WE NEED ANY TWEAKS IN REGARD TO JUST SECURITY.
THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION, PAM.
WHICH ANGLE, WHO, WHO DO YOU THINK WOULD BE BEST TO DO THAT? I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD DEFINITELY LOOP IN PARK STAFF SINCE THEY'VE GOT EXPERIENCE ON OTHER TRAILS TOO.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE, UH, BOARD HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? OKAY.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANNA ADD? HI, UH, MIKE OR WHOEVER SAID THAT.
UM, I'M A FORMER BOARD MEMBER, JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW I'VE LOOKED AT THIS PLAN BEFORE AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE A CHANCE TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
UM, DOES THE AMPHITHEATER FEATURE ACTUALLY, LIKE IF PEOPLE ARE SITTING ON THAT, WHAT ARE THEY FACING ON THE OTHER SIDE? THEY'RE THEY'RE FACING THIS, THE CREEK.
SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY FACING ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WOULD, THERE'S LIKE NO REAL PLACE TO PUT A CONCERT OR, OR A SHOW OF SOME KIND? NO.
IS IS THAT A SOLUTION TO A SUBSIDENCE PROBLEM THAT JUST WORKS BETTER THAN OTHER, OR IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN OTHER SOLUTIONS OR? WELL, THE, I MEAN THE AMPHITHEATER DOESN'T REALLY, UM, LET ME GET TO A GOOD IMAGE OF IT.
I THINK THE, BE AWARE OF CAROLYN, THE, THE SPACE HAS BEEN CONSTRAINED BY NEARBY DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN THE IBI CONSTRUCTION FINALLY KIND OF GOT SETTLED, THAT DEFINITELY SHIFTED AND IMPACTED THE, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THERE IS FOR A PLAZA.
WELL, WE, I LIKE THE IDEA OF AN AMPHITHEATER.
I WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE, SHE'D BE REALLY NICE IF THIS ACTUALLY FACED SOMETHING OR OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, IS MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER SOLUTION THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE CHEAPER OR, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF WONDERING ABOUT HOW THAT CAME ABOUT AND IF THERE'S OTHER POTENTIALS THERE.
UH, YOU, YOU WOULD BE SITTING HERE AND FACING OUT THIS WAY OVER THE EXISTING TRAIL AND ACROSS THE, THE CREEK.
UM, ACTUALLY I SUPPOSE NO, THE, THE, ACTUALLY THE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL, THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN TRAIL THAT GOES BELOW THAT.
SO YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY PUT SOMETHING THERE, BUT THEN IT WOULD BLOCK THE TRAFFIC.
SO I GUESS THAT WOULDN'T WORK.
UM, TAKE A FLOOD ZONE TOO, SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
ALSO, CAROLYN, WERE YOU THINKING LIKE A, A STAGE BUILT ON THAT BERM, JUST TEMPORARY STAGE SO THAT IF THERE WERE AN ACTUAL PRODUCTION, PEOPLE SITTING IN THE AMPHITHEATER COULD SEE SOMETHING? YEAH, I MEAN, OR EVEN, EVEN IF THERE WERE A RESTRAINING WALL ON THE OPPOSITE BANK THAT YOU COULD PROJECT A FILM OR ON, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A SHAME TO HAVE THAT NICE SEATING AREA.
AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING TO REALLY LOOK AT.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THE CREEK AND ALL, BUT THEN PEOPLE COULD SIT UNDER THE SHADE STRUCTURE ON THE PLAZA TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO SEAT, I MEAN THAT'S, IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, CAN BE ADDED OR EXPLORED FURTHER, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE, I'M CALLING, YOU KNOW, THE SHADE STRUCTURE, I'M CALLING THOSE THINGS RIBS, RIGHT? THE BIG, THE MAIN SUPPORTS FOR THE SHADE STRUCTURE.
WHAT IS, ARE THOSE COATED WITH SOMETHING OR WHAT, WHAT SURFACE DO THOSE HAVE? YES, THOSE RIBS.
THIS IS GONNA BE, 'CAUSE CHUCKED IT OUT OF METAL.
WE HAVEN'T, IS IT GONNA HAVE A FINISH ON IT? MAYBE A BRUSHED FINISH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE HAVEN'T TOTALLY FIGURED THAT OUT YET.
SO, UH, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR WHAT WE WANT THE RAILING AND THIS STRUCTURE TO BE OF THE SAME MATERIAL.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ALSO.
AND, UM, I, I GOT A COPY OF THIS.
UH, I I'M NOT SURE MARK, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN ON THIS
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FROM THE BEGINNING.I KNOW WE HAVE A NEW COMPANY NAME WESTWOOD.
WE WERE ACQUIRED BY, THE CHECKOUT CODE WAS ACQUIRED BY WESTWOOD ABOUT TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A NEW NAME.
SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, WELL AS YOU KNOW, I AT LEAST HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE PROPOSALS FOR THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT, THE DECOR ON THE FENCES THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE BRIDGE.
UM, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF LIGHTING, FIRST OF ALL.
UM, PUTTING THAT ASIDE FOR NOW, UM, I'M, I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THESE O OTHER DESIGNS.
'CAUSE TO ME THEY, THEY, SOME OF THEM LOOK A LITTLE BIT, UH, ART NOVO AND UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE FIRST ONE PANEL, OPTION ONE.
AND THEN THE OTHERS, UH, SOME LOOK MORE APPROPRIATE THAN OTHERS.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF KIND OF HARMONIZING WITH BOTH THE MAIN, UH, SHADE STRUCTURE AND THE SURROUNDING ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE HISTORY OF THE AREA.
SO THIS WEEKEND I SAT DOWN AND I, UM, I JUST DID A REALLY ROUGH IDEA FOR A DIFFERENT DESIGN ON THE FENCES THAT COULD ALSO BE CUT OUT, UH, HOPEFULLY IN A SIMILAR WAY WITHOUT GREATER EXPENSE.
AND I JUST TOOK THE, BASICALLY THE PROFILE OF THE RIB AND STRETCHED IT TO PANEL SIZE.
UM, SO SORT OF LIKE THE PANEL ONE OPTION, THIS RIB PROFILE SHAPE WOULD FIT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D STILL HAVE THE NARROW BARS IN BETWEEN TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM FALLING OFF, BUT, UM, OR FALLING THROUGH.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THE RIB DESIGN OVER IT.
UM, AND I SENT SOME DRAWINGS TO SUE HS, H SUE AND TO MIKE.
UM, AND I'VE GOT THEM HERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M CAPABLE OF SHARING THEM ON THE SCREEN.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, CAROLYN, THEY DIDN'T COME THROUGH.
THEY PROBABLY GOT BLOCKED BY IT.
I THINK MIKE DID SEE THEM, BUT YEAH.
UM, IS THERE A WAY I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN WITH YOU GUYS? DO YOU KNOW? ANYBODY KNOW THE MIDDLE BUTTON? YEAH, I THINK JOETTE CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU SHARING RIGHTS.
I THINK IT'S, SORRY, WHO AM I GIVING SHARING RIGHTS TO? UH, TO TO, UM, TO CAROLYN SORTER.
AND I ASSUME I NEED TO STOP SHARING, RIGHT? WATCHING? YES.
AND IS THE SHARING BUTTON FOR ME GONNA BE ON THE BOTTOM MENU SOMEWHERE? OR DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT'S WHERE IT IS FOR ME.
IT'S ALONG, IT'S NEAR MUTE AND IN VIDEO.
IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN AND YOU HAVE RIGHTS.
I THINK I HAVE TO, SOMETIMES IT DELAYS A MINUTE OR TWO.
UH, I THINK I HAD TO GIVE IT SOME KIND RIGHTS.
YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, CAN YOU? NOT SO FAR.
I SHOULD HAVE PRINTED IT OUT AND THEN I COULD HOLD IT UP TO THE SCREEN.
I CAN, IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT CAN BE SHOWN I'D, IT MIGHT, I MIGHT HAVE TO REBOOT TO ALLOW THIS TO WORK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT'S TELLING ME, WHICH I HATE TO DO.
WHERE'S THE CAMERA THERE? WE PUT THAT UP THERE WHEN THEY DIDN'T ABLE TO SEE IT? YOU COULD TRY.
I I'M GONNA TRY STUFF THAT I'VE GOT IT ON MY PHONE HERE, WHAT YOU SENT ME.
EVERYONE PROTECT YOUR EYES AND MAKE A GLORY.
IS THAT TOO CLOSE, TOO FAR AWAY? UM, IT'S REALLY TINY ON MY YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING? YEAH,
THAT'S BECAUSE IT JUST WENT BLANK.
YOU WANTED ME TO EMAIL IT? UM, YEAH.
CAN YOU EMAIL IT TO SUE? YES, I ALREADY DID.
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I DID.I CAN GET IT OVER THE WEEKEND.
SUE, SUE, WERE YOU ABLE EVEN TO OPEN THE PDF? I MEAN, I WOULDN'T GET ANY ATTACHMENTS WHATSOEVER.
OUR, I THINK OUR SYSTEM PROBABLY BLOCKED IT.
I MEAN, TELL, IF YOU CAN THINK OF A PLACE TO SEND IT, I'LL SEND IT.
IF NOT, I CAN BRING YOU A THUMB.
I MEAN, I THINK IF THIS IS JUST A MINOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IDEA, WE CAN PROBABLY JUST CIRCULATE IT OFFLINE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST.
AND ACTUALLY IF YOU JUST, IF YOU TAKE THAT, THAT RIB AND JUST TAKE IT SO IT FITS ON THE RAILING, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
I BASICALLY, SO IT RELATES TO THE OVERHEAD, UH, STRUCTURES.
THE, THE, THE, THE RAILING ON THE, ON THE BRIDGE WOULD RELATE TO THAT AESTHETIC CONTINUITY.
I MEAN AS FAR AS FOR, FOR THAT, DID YOU, DID YOU ADDITIONAL? YEAH, I CAN, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO FORWARD IT TO EVERYBODY.
I'LL, I'LL FIND A WAY TO GET IT FROM MIKE AND I'LL FORWARD IT TO EVERYBODY.
THERE, THERE'S A PDF THAT SHOWS SEVERAL KIND OF VARIATIONS AND SORT OF THE RATIONALE FOR THEM.
AND MY THOUGHT, PART OF THE REASON I ASKED ABOUT THE, THE, WHETHER THERE WOULD BE A COATING OR WHAT THERE WOULD BE ON THE BIG RIBS WAS ALSO THAT THOUGHT OF DUPLICATING THE SAME FINISH ON THIS RIB SORT OF REPRODUCE DESIGN ELEMENT ON THE FENCE.
UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF RELATING.
SO, UM, WE'RE WORKING ON A COUPLE OTHER THINGS ALONG THAT LINE, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, KEEP YOU IN TOUCH ON THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE BRIDGE? I HAVE A LAST ONE.
SO, UH, THERE WAS A VERY SMALL SET ASIDE FOR A RELATED TO THIS.
UM, WAS THAT ART BUDGET SEPARATE FROM ANY OF THESE DECORATIVE PIECES ON THESE SIDE RAILINGS AND SUCH? OR WAS IT A, WOULD THAT MONEY SET ASIDE TO PAY FOR SOME OF THESE RAILINGS AND DESIGNS? IS THIS A SEPARATE BUDGET THAN, THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE? NO, I JUST LOOKING AT YOUR BUDGET, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE $50,000 FOR ART.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ARC WAS FOR.
WAS THAT IN THE RAILINGS OF EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED OR SOMETHING SEPARATE? THE RAILINGS HAVE BEEN PART OF THE BUDGET THE WHOLE TIME.
SO MARK, WHAT HE MIGHT BE ASKING ABOUT IS, IS THAT FOR SOMETHING LIKE A SCULPTURAL ELEMENT AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF LIKE THE BRIDGE AND THE TRAIL? UH, I BELIEVE THE SCULPTURAL ELEMENT IS SHOWN AS A LINE ITEM BELOW THE BASE PRICE.
IS THAT, YEAH, I THINK WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR IS THE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING IS THE ART ANIMAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE SCULPTURE.
THAT'S FOR LIKE A SEPARATE SCULPTURE, A SEPARATE PUBLIC SCULPTURE.
SO THAT'S NOT FOR THE RAILING OR THE, THE SHADES OR THE SHADE STRUCTURE.
SO, SO THERE, THERE IS STILL A SEPARATE BUDGET FOR THE SCULPTURE THEN.
'CAUSE I WAS NOT CLEAR ON THAT EITHER.
SO I THINK IT, IT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROJECT COST IS AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE.
SO IT, IT MAY BE AN ALTERNATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE COULD ATTRACT OTHER SOURCES FROM, LIKE PRIVATE SECTOR, MAYBE EVEN OFFICE CULTURAL AFFAIRS.
UM, AND IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED LATER, UM, IF THERE'S SPACE, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATED FOR IT.
SO I THINK RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT'S BEING SHOWN IS IT'S A, IT'S AN ALTERNATE.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT DEPENDING ON FINAL COSTS OF THE BASIC PROJECT, WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF DETERMINE.
YOU'RE, AND ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS IS WE DON'T HAVE A SCULPTURE TO DO ANY KIND OF STRUCTURAL DESIGN FOR THE BASE OR ANYTHING.
SO WE CAN'T, WE, WE CAN'T REALLY SAY WHAT THE DESIGN IS GOING TO BE OF, OF THE BASE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PIECE IS.
ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? THANKS MARK.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND, UM, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING READY TO GETTING THIS UP AGAIN, GETTING GOING, SO I APPRECIATE IT.
UH, LETTING ME TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
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IS THE, UM, CAM DROPPED OFF, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE CAM DROPPED OFF.THE REST OF YOU THAT ARE ON, I'LL, I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT HERE.
UM, RELATING TO THE ENHANCING THE AMENITY, UM, SINCE SWA ARCHITECTURE, UH, DESIGN FIRM IS DOING THE LOOP AND SINCE THEY'RE ALSO GONNA BE DOING, UH, TRAIL, UH, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND AESTHETIC DESIGN, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE BAD IF SOMEHOW WE COULD BRING THEM IN TO JUST GIVE A QUICK LIKE, HEY MARK, WHY DON'T YOU THINK ABOUT THIS OR THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, THAT'S WHY I KIND OF ASKED HIM AND SEE HE PUSHED BACK A LITTLE, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE HIM FEEL LIKE WE WERE NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
BUT THE, THE PIT IS, CHARLOTTE, ARE YOU ON? I SAW HER ON AND THEN SHE GOT OFF.
UM, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY AND I THINK THAT IF THEY WERE TO ENGAGE SWA, UM, THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT.
AND UM, I ALSO HAD AN IDEA THAT ON THIS SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES AROUND THAT END BEFORE YOU GET TO THE PLAZA, MAYBE THERE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY DO SOME ENHANCEMENT THERE TO, BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA HAVE A BIGGER F PLAZA AND NOW IT'S GOTTEN SMALLER BECAUSE OF
SO MAYBE WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THAT CITY LAND AND DO SOME MORE STUFF WITH IT, DEPENDING ON THE PIT.
AND THE PIT IS ACTIVE IN THAT, IN THAT LOCATION.
SO I, I THINK THAT, THAT, I'D LIKE TO PURSUE THAT HOPEFULLY, UM, JARED, MAYBE YOU CAN CHIME IN OR WHETHER YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S FEASIBLE OR NOT.
IF THEY, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO.
BUT, AND SWA SAID FOR LIKE EVEN 25,000, THEY, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE SAID PRETTY QUICKLY AND, AND ADD AS, AS A JUST A CONSULTING KIND OF A THING.
I THINK I MISSED SOME, SOME OF THAT QUESTION.
SO YOU JUST, YOU YOU WANT TO TAKE SWA ON TO SUPPLEMENT THE DESIGN OR? WELL, IN A SENSE, YES, BUT NOT REALLY.
WE, WE WANT TO COORDINATE THE, THE LOOPS WORK ON HIGHLINE AND THE TRINITY STRAND TRAILS WORK ON THEIR SIDE.
SO WOULD IT BE OKAY IF THEY THEN TALK TO PACHECO AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THESE TWO.
SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HELP JUST WITH THE CONTINUITY OF IT.
THIS IS, YOU MIGHT TAKE THIS INTO YOUR DESIGN, NOT TELLING THEM HOW TO DO ANYTHING, BUT JUST MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A CONSULTING KIND OF WAY.
HOWARD PROFESSIONALS WOULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WOULD BE PAID FOR IT BY THE PIT.
I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, RELATED PROJECTS AND WE, YOU ARE JUST WANTING THEIR KIND OF EXPERTISE AND AS YOU SAID, THEIR CONTINUITY.
UM, AND JARED, I HAD INVITED PHIL UP TO THE MEETING, BUT I GUESS HE DIDN'T MAKE IT SO I, TWO O'CLOCK HE SAID HE WAS TRYING TO CHANGE IT, BUT HE SAID HE MIGHT NOT BE HERE, BUT IF HE, UH, HE WAS A, HE WAS, HIS CONCERN WAS KEEPING THE TRAIL OPEN BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE ALL THIS WORK.
SO THAT WAS THE QUESTION I HAD THERE FROM HIM.
I GUESS ONE QUESTION I HAVE, SORRY SUE IS ONE QUESTION.
I MEAN, WHAT DO WE NEED SWA TO DO ASIDE FROM JUST GIVE US THEIR DESIGN THAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE FOR THE CITY? I MEAN, IF WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR SPECS FOR WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DESIGNED FOR THE SECTION ALONG HIGH LINE AND WHATEVER WORK THEY'RE DOING, DO WE REALLY NEED TO PAY THEM TO DO SOMETHING ELSE? WE JUST ASK IT BECAUSE TECHNICALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, A DELIVERABLE WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR.
IT MIGHT BE A MORE OF A COMMUNICATION THING THAN ANYTHING.
SO JARED IS, IS MAHU AND TANYA, ARE THEY INVOLVED WITH ALL THREE OF THESE PROJECTS? UH, LET'S SEE, TANYA, POOR, POOR TANYA.
WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING, YOU KNOW, SHE'S NEWS AT THE DEPARTMENT, SO A LITTLE TRIAL BY FIRE.
UH, SO SHE'S GETTING ON BOARD WITH ALL OF THE PROJECTS.
JOHN REYNOLDS IS THE HIGHLINE, YOU KNOW, THE LOOP.
UM, AND I, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY, I DON'T THINK HE'S, I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S INVOLVED IN THE PHASE TWO OF THE STRAND LANDSCAPING.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE OUR, YOU'RE OUR COMMON THREAD THEN, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO
WE DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THE, UM, THE DESIGNS
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THEY WERE COMING UP WITH ON THE, UH, ON THE RAILING.AND I THINK THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE, I MEAN THEY'VE DESIGNED THE BRIDGE AND ALL THAT AND YOU KNOW, THEY, MOST ALL OF IT'S FINE, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WHO'S DOING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR AMENITY DESIGN OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT, MICRO.
IT JUST, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T RELATE TO THE DESIGN DISTRICT.
IT DOESN'T RELATE TO THE I BEAM STUFF THAT'S DOWN THE STREET.
IT DOESN'T RELATE TO OUR I BEAM ON ON UH, UH.
I GET THAT'S THAT'S, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
UM, THEN THAT MAY BE MORE OF A, MORE THAN JUST A COMMUNICATION THING.
'CAUSE NOW YOU NEED LIKE A, A DESIGNER ON BOARD.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GOING BEYOND WELL I DON'T THINK THEY SPENT THAT MUCH TIME WANDERING AROUND AND GETTING REALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE FEEL OF IT.
AND OF COURSE IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS NOW, IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING ON THE SHELF TOO, SO.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? I MEAN, I
UM, I GUESS IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET SWA AND, AND AND SEE IF THEIR DESIGN
SO IF, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT OTHER PARTIES ARE DOING AND CAN MAYBE COMMUNICATION, I THINK THE WOULD DO IT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO NOT THAT MUCH MONEY, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HELP COORDINATE THAT THEY, THEY'VE EXPRESSED DESIRE TO, TO HELP.
I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PROPERTY THERE AND, AND THEY WANT IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, AS BEST AS OF THE PROJECT AS IT CAN BE.
AND IF S WA IS ALREADY WORKING ON THESE OTHER PROJECTS, MAYBE JUST A MATTER OF GETTING SOME COLLABORATION AND CONVERSATION GOING TOO WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO SPEND MORE MONEY, BUT POTENTIALLY DEPENDS ON HOW THEY'RE SCOPED.
NOT TO SPEND A LITTLE, JUST BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE TIME, YOU KNOW.
UM, BUT I, I, LIKE I SAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOT.
AND I THINK THAT THE, THE BID WILL, WILL, WILL DO THAT.
SO, UH, MR. JARED, YOU KNOW, PARK DEPARTMENT'S GONNA BE THE ONE BIDDING THIS PROJECT.
I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE ALSO BIDDING THE OTHER TRINITY STRAND LANDSCAPE? NO, THAT'S A PRO BONO PROJECT.
AND THEN I GUESS, ARE YOU GUYS BIDDING THE LOOP? OH YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL US, YEAH.
SO I MEAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS THE PARK DEPARTMENT IS BIDDING THIS STUFF, JUST KIND OF COORDINATION SEEMS LIKE IF WE CAN AVOID SPENDING MORE MONEY IF WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT NO, YEAH, I GET IT.
IT'S JUST WHEN I HEARD IT SOUNDED LIKE WE NEEDED DESIGN EXPERTISE AND I, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT MAY GO A LITTLE BIT BEYOND JUST SHARING CASUAL SHARING OF IDEAS.
BUT IF, I MEAN, SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THESE FIRMS ENGAGED, MAYBE IT CAN JUST BE THEM TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND JUST SHARING CONCEPTS THAT MAYBE THEY'VE CREATED FOR RELATED PROJECTS.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION BEFORE ADJOURN.