Feb 15, 2024 City Planning Commission

UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE MAKE, UH, WE, WE APPOINT CHAIR HOUSE RIGHT AS THE CHAIR FOR TODAY.

SECOND, WHO SECONDED THE MOTION? THAT'S QUEEN FOR THE DAY.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? UH, ANY OPPOSED? PASSES? OKAY.

MAY I CALL ROLL CALL PLEASE? DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO.

HE'S, HE'S, HE'S VIRTUAL.

VIRTUAL OR NOT HERE.

DISTRICT SIX, PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15.

I'M HERE.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, IT'S, UH, 9 0 8.

AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT AS VICE CHAIR TODAY.

IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE WILL PROCEED WITH THAT.

HE, HEARING NONE, WE WILL HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT AS OUR VICE CHAIR TODAY.

APPRECIATE HIM SERVING, UM, UH, THOUGHTS ARE WITH, UH, UH, UH, OUR, UH, OUR CHAIR WHO IS OUT ILL TODAY.

AND SO WE'LL, UH, PERHAPS SEE HIM ON THE SCREEN.

UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, I TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY'S ATTORNEY, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

YOU GOTTA READ US IN.

READ IT IN ME THIS DAY.

WE NEED TO READ OUR FIRST ITEM INTO THE RECORD.

DO WE NOT? IT'S A BRIEFING.

[BRIEFINGS (Part 1 of 3) ]

IT'S A BRIEFING ITEM.

THE FIRST BRIEFING ITEM IS BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION OF THE FORD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

I THINK WE, WE WERE GONNA THINK WE WERE GONNA DO THE OTHER ITEM FIRST.

GET DIRECTION AND SO THAT WE DIRECTION CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, JUST A REALLY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, NOT WORKING.

CHAIR HOUSEWRIGHT HAS REQUESTED THAT A CHANGE OF, UH, BRIEFING AGENDA ORDER BE MADE, AND THE, UH, WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UM, BRIEFING ITEM NUMBER TWO, DCA 2 2 3 DASH ZERO EIGHT CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING CASES AND CODE AMENDMENTS THAT MAY RESULT IN THE CREATION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INITIATING AND CONDUCTING A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING TO ESTABLISH A COMPLIANCE DATE IN DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS BERT VANDENBERG.

I'M AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW ME FROM OTHER PRESENTATIONS, INCLUDING A 0.503 IN ME, A LOVE STORY AND PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, HOW TO PUT A GLIDE IN YOUR STRIDE, A DIP IN YOUR HIP, AND COME BACK TO THE MOTHERSHIP.

WITH ME IS CASEY BURGESS.

HE'S THE HEAD OF THE MUNICIPAL REGULATORY SECTION.

HE IS ALSO THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL DIVISION.

WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SB 9 29 AND HOW IT HAS TO BE TURNED INTO A CODE AMENDMENT.

UM, IT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH ZAC.

WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION, UH, TODAY.

WE'LL NOT BRING, BE BRINGING FORWARD THE ORDINANCE.

WE PLAN ON TALKING ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS.

CASEY WILL TALK ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S SORT OF THE COMPLICATED PART.

I WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MORE, UM, I THINK CONTROVERSIAL PARTS.

AND THEN WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION OUT AT THE HORSESHOE.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, THOUGH, I SUSPECT MOST OF THEM WILL BE, UH, IN COUPLE WEEKS WHEN WE BRING THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE IN.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE AT ZAC, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE REALLY ANYTHING NEW.

BUT WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CASEY BURGESS AND AWAY WE GO.

GOOD MORNING.

UH, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WANNA GIVE JUST A REALLY HIGH LEVEL,

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THERE WE GO.

SB 9 2 9.

SO THIS BILL REALLY DOES TWO BIG THINGS THAT ARE, ARE GOING TO REQUIRE US TO DO A CODE AMENDMENT.

UH, THE FIRST IS IT CHANGES OF HOW WE DO NOTICE WHEN A NEW ZONING CASE COMES FORWARD.

UM, SO, UM, PREVIOUSLY WE WOULD JUST SEND OUT NOTICE TO PEOPLE WITH THE NOTICE AREA UNDER SB 9 29.

UH, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED NOW TO PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE TO PEOPLE, UM, IF THEY, IF THE ZONING CHANGE MAY RESULT IN THEIR USE BECOMING NON-CONFORMING.

AND THAT'S NOT JUST PROPERTY OWNERS THE WAY THAT WE'VE TRADITIONALLY DONE IT.

UH, THAT ALSO INCLUDES BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS, AS WELL AS TENANTS.

AND, UM, THE BILL ALSO REQUIRES US TO PROVIDE VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AS PART OF THAT NOTICE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SLIDE.

AND THE SECOND THING THAT THE BILL DOES IS IT REALLY, UH, PREEMPTS OUR CURRENT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS FOR, UH, NON-CONFORMING USES.

SO UNDER THE CURRENT PROCESS, AN APP, UH, CITIZEN CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION, UH, TAKE A CASE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HERE IS EVIDENCE.

AND THEY CAN SET A COMPLIANCE STATE FOR THAT.

UH, UNDER THIS NEW BILL.

THAT PROCESS REALLY NO LONGER EXISTS.

UM, UM, THE WAY WE DID THE HEARINGS AND STUFF DON'T WORK ANYMORE UNDER THIS NEW BILL, UH, UNDER THE NEW BILL.

UM, THE BOARD WILL STILL MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE NONCONFORMING USE WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT SECOND PART OF THE HEARING WHERE THEY SET A COMPLIANCE STATE ACTUALLY UNDER THE NEW BILL.

IT GIVES THE PROPERTY OWNER OR LESS THE A CHOICE OF REMEDIES THEY CAN CHOOSE TO AMORTIZE THEIR INVESTMENT OUT.

AND THAT, UH, IS REALLY A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

CURRENTLY, THE BOARD WOULD SAY THEY WOULD LOOK, DO, DO AN ACCOUNTING ANALYSIS, LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE BRINGING IN, AND SET A DATE THAT THIS IS WHEN YOU NEED TO CLOSE DOWN UNDER THE NEW BILL.

IT'S KIND OF UP TO THAT BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ON THEIR HONOR WHEN THEY HAVE AMORTIZED THAT OUT AND THEY SHUT DOWN OR THEY CAN CHOOSE TO, UM, ASK FOR A PAYMENT, UH, SAY CITY, GIVE ME, GIVE ME MONEY TODAY AND I'LL GO AWAY.

UM, SO THEY'VE GOT THAT CHOICE.

SO WE'VE GOT REALLY TWO BIG SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO AMEND IN RESPONSE TO THAT BILL.

FIRST ONE, SECTION 51 A IS 4.701.

THAT'S WHERE ALL OUR NOTICES ARE ADDRESSED.

AND THEN SECTION 51 A IS 4.704, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT NONCONFORMING USES.

AND IF YOU'LL EXCUSE A QUICK TECHNICAL HICCUP, I WILL PUT THE NEXT POWERPOINT ON PUT.

SO CASEY REALLY GAVE A HIGH LEVEL SUMMING UP OF THE TECHNICAL PARTS.

I THINK ONE THING THAT WASN'T READILY APPARENT IN CASEY'S PRESENTATION IS IT'S REALLY THE NOTICE STUFF THAT IS GONNA BE TECHNICALLY IS THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA BE TECHNICALLY, UH, PROBLEMATIC.

UM, THE STUFF THAT HAS TO, THE, THE PARTS OF IT THAT HAVE TO DO WITH NON-CONFORMITY ARE ACTUALLY FAR MORE COMPLICATED THAN THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE.

UM, AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO THAT.

HOWEVER, I AM GONNA TALK ABOUT THE AMORTIZATION HEARINGS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

SO THE, THE BILL SB 9 29 WAS AUTHORED BY, UH, STATE SENATOR TAN PARKER.

HE'S FROM FLOWER MOUND.

AND I'M NOT TOO SURE THERE, THE, UH, THERE'S A DELAY IN MY PRESENTATION, SO THIS IS GONNA BE ODD ANYWAY, IN FLOWER MOUND, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY DO AMORTIZATIONS.

SO IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING THAT HE AUTHORED THE BILL THAT THAT REALLY, UM, MADE AMORTIZATIONS PROBLEMATIC FOR US.

THE CHANGE, AS CASEY SAID, IT CHANGED HOW COMPENSATION WAS CALCULATED AND ALLOWS THE OPERATOR OR THE OWNER OPERATOR AND OWNER PERHAPS TO RECOUP THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, THE VALUE IN CASH RATHER THAN THE, AT THE END OF THEIR OPERATION.

OVER TIME,

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WHAT SENATOR PARKER DID, HE WASN'T SUBTLE ABOUT IT.

HE MADE IT AIMED AT THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IT, AND HE SAID IN HIS WRITEUP THAT THE CITY NEVER HAS TO PAY THE LANDOWNER A DIME FOR TAKING AWAY THE RIGHTS TO USE THEIR PROPERTY.

INSTEAD, IMPLEMENTS THE USE OF AN ACCOUNTING MANEUVER TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COMPENSATE THEMSELVES.

SO WHAT WE USED TO DO WAS ALLOW A, A, THERE WAS A TWO PART HEARING, AND I'LL GO INTO IT.

THE FIRST PART DECIDED IF THERE WAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, OR THE APPLICANTS WHO BROUGHT IN THE, THE, THE CASE, IF THERE WAS A SECOND HEARING WAS HELD WHERE THEY DETERMINED THE VALUE OF THE INVESTMENT IN THE BUSINESS.

AND THEN THE OPERATOR WAS, OR THE OWNER WAS ALLOWED TO RECOUP THAT COST OVER TIME AND THERE WAS NO CASH OUTLAY BY THE CITY.

WHAT THE BILLS AUTHOR HAS DONE HAS TURNED THAT ON ITS HEAD, LIKE SO MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED, UH, AT THE 2023 SESSION.

SO IN HIS WRITE-UP, HE POINTS OUT THAT ONE CITY PUT A NUMBER OF AUTO RELATED BUSINESSES OUT OF WORK TO ESTABLISH AN ARTS GATEWAY.

THAT'S THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UH, THAT'S ONE INTERPRETATION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND HE ALSO THREAT, HE ALSO PUT IN THAT THE CITY THREATENED TO DRIVE A ROOFING MATERIALS FACTORY THAT EMPLOYS 150 WORKERS FROM THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT GIVING THEM A DIME, EVEN THOUGH THEY LEGALLY CALLED THE FACTORY OF THEIR HOME FOR 80 YEARS.

THAT IS ALSO AIMED DIRECTLY AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.

OF NOTE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE BURROWS WHO, WHO AUTHORED H HB 2127, THE SO-CALLED DEATH STAR BILL THAT CAME OUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, IT'S FROM, REPRESENTS LUBBOCK.

UH, LUBBOCK IS DOING A REWRITE OF THEIR, THEIR CODE, AND THEY HAVE REMOVED AMORTIZATION AS A RESULT OF THIS BILL.

OR THEY'VE, THEY'VE RECOMMENDED REMOVING IT.

I DON'T THINK THEY FINISHED.

AND IT WAS TIMELY BECAUSE WHEN I BELIEVED I WAS GONNA DO THIS PRESENTATION TWO WEEKS AGO, THIS OCCURRED THE DAY BEFORE.

AGAIN, I DON'T NEED TO, UH, BELABOR THIS LEGISLATURE REPEATED EXACTLY WHAT THE SENATOR, UH, PARKER SAID IT WAS TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR CITIES TO CONTROL NONCONFORMING USES.

SO THEY ADDED THE POISON PILL.

THE POISON PILL IN IT IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO A CASH OUTLAY THAT WE CANNOT DETERMINE AHEAD OF TIME THAT CURRENTLY ISN'T BUDGETED FOR.

AND IT WOULD BE THE CITY RESIDENTS WHO BRING THE APPLICATION FORWARD, WHO WOULD MAKE THE CITY RESPONSIBLE IF IT ALL WENT FORWARD FOR AN UNEXPECTED, UH, DEBT.

THE, AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS WAY WE USED TO DO IT WAS TO ALLOW THE BUSINESS TO, UH, GO OVER TIME AND CEASE OPERATIONS.

IT WAS, IT WAS A FAIR WAY AND, AND REALLY WE WERE ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES THAT THAT ALLOWED THAT.

UM, I THINK CASEY DID SOME RESEARCH AND THERE WAS MAYBE TWO OTHER CITIES THAT ALLOWED RESIDENTS TO DO IT.

AND THEY WEREN'T BIG CITIES.

UM, IN FACT, I, I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED WHEN CASEY GAVE THEM A CALL.

UM, SO I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT AMORTIZATION AND NON-CONFORMITY WAS IN 2012.

I SOLD THIS FROM THE OLD 2012 POWERPOINT WE USED TO DO FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

SO NON-CONFORMITY IS WHEN YOU HAVE A USE THAT'S LEGALLY ESTABLISHED, FOLLOWS ALL THE RULES, AT THE TIME IT'S, IT'S ESTABLISHED, BUT DURING THE INTERVENING YEARS, IT BECOMES NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THERE'S A CHANGE OF ZONING USUALLY, BUT NOT ALWAYS.

USUALLY BECAUSE THERE'S THE IMPOSITION OF A, OF AN SUP REQUIREMENT, THAT HAPPENS QUITE A BIT.

SO, AMORTIZATION, UH, I THINK I'VE ALREADY BEAT THIS, BUT I'M GONNA DO IT SOME MORE.

SETTING A COMPLIANCE PERIOD THAT ALLOWS AN OWNER TO RECOUP THE INVESTMENT THEY MADE BEFORE THE DATE OF NON-CONFORMITY.

HERE'S THE PROCESS THAT'LL SHOW UP IN A SECOND.

I'VE ALREADY DESCRIBED IT.

APPLICATION WAS FILED AND IT USED TO BE BE ABLE TO BE FILED BY ANYBODY.

YOU HAD THE FIRST BOARD HEARING.

DURING THE FIRST BOARD HEARING.

IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT.

IF THERE WAS NO ADVERSE EFFECT, THE USE COULD CONTINUE.

AND, AND THE HEARING WAS OVER.

HOWEVER, IF AN ADVERSE EFFECT WAS DETERMINED, THEY WOULD GO TO THE BOARD HEARING TWO, THE BOARD HEARING TWO WOULD GO TO THE TIME TO RECOUP THE INVESTMENT.

AND THE USE CONTINUES UNTIL THE AMORTIZATION DATE, UNLESS APPEALED TO DISTRICT COURT IN 10 DAYS.

SO THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS DETERMINING THE AMORTIZATION PERIOD PREVIOUSLY WAS REALLY JUST A BATTLE OF ACCOUNTANTS.

EVERYTHING HAPPENED ON THE FRONT END THAT WAS SORT OF EVIDENT, EVIDENTIARY BASED.

YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN ADVERSE EFFECT? WHAT IS THE BUSINESS? WHAT HAPPENS IF IT WENT TO THE SECOND HEARING? IT BECAME A BATTLE OF ACCOUNTANTS.

HERE'S WHAT THE INVESTMENT WAS HERE, HERE'S WHAT MY INVESTMENT WAS.

HERE'S HOW MUCH

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OVER TIME IT WOULD TAKE, IT WOULD TAKE FOR ME TO, UM, RECOUP MY INVESTMENT.

AND I, I'M NOT GONNA CLAIM TO HAVE EVER REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE ACCOUNTING PART OF IT.

IN THE SECOND HEARING, THAT WAS, WE, WE RETAINED ACCOUNTANTS AND IT WAS DONE THAT WAY.

AN SB 9 29, THEY CHANGED THE, THE WAY THE CALCULATION WAS DONE.

AND, AND I'M NOT GONNA CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE EITHER, EXCEPT FOR IT ALSO INCLUDES THERE'S AN AND TO IT, AND IT INCLUDES THE CURRENT VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THE DAY BEFORE THE, THE APPLICATION WAS FILED.

AND AS WE KNOW, THE, THE VALUE OF PROPERTY HAS GONE UP, UP, UP.

THIS CREATES A HUGE COST, A HUGE POSSIBLE COST IN ADDITION TO THE RECOUPING THE INVESTMENT.

SO I'VE ALREADY COVERED THIS ONE.

THIS IS JUST WHAT 9 29 DID.

I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF 2020 THREE'S TEXAS LEGISL LEGISLATIVE EROSION OF HOME RULE AUTHORITY, IT ALSO INCLUDED THE DEATH STAR BILL, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, I'M MAKING ITS WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT OF TEXAS.

UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, UH, IN STATE LAW.

SO I'VE ALREADY HIT THIS IN THE BEGINNING.

I'LL HIT IT ONE LAST TIME.

SB 9 29 PUTS TAXPAYERS AT SIGNIFICANT RISK OF HAVING TO PAY A BILL.

AND THERE'S NO INPUT OR OVERSIGHT FROM CITY COUNCIL.

'CAUSE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DECISION.

AND THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD.

Y'ALL ARE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD WITH RECOMMENDING AUTHORITY, AND YOU HAVE FINAL AUTHORITY OVER PLATS.

THEY HAVE FINAL AUTHORITY OVER AMORTIZATION.

SO THE, THE, THE UNEX, THE UNPLANNED COSTS COULD RESULT IN DIMINISHED FUNDING FOR ASSESSMENT.

BERT, CAN YOU SAY THAT LAST 0.1 MORE TIME ABOUT THE AMORTIZATION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? OKAY.

YEAH, YEAH.

JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR LEGISLATIVE MATTERS, YOUR ZONING CASES, ET CETERA.

BUT YOU DO HAVE FINAL AUTHORITY OVER PLAT AND SUBDIVISION THEN IF YOUR, YOUR PLAT AND SUBDIVISION DECISIONS GET APPEALED TO COURT, YOU GUYS AND THE CHARGE YOU GUYS ARE CHARGED WITH CONTROLLING SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY CODE.

THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CONTROLS THE AMORTIZATION PROCEDURES.

THAT'S WHERE THE HEARING TAKES PLACE.

IT'S NOT APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S APPEALED TO COURT.

GOTCHA.

UM, SO WHAT CITY STAFF WAS PROPOSING AT ZAC WAS TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO GO IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.

THERE'S TIME TO SPEAK AT CITY COUNCIL.

AND THERE THEY WOULD SAY, WE HAVE THIS PROBLEMATIC BUSINESS.

AND CITY COUNCIL COULD THEN CHOOSE TO TAKE IT UP OR NOT AT, AT COMMITTEE OR, OR HOWEVER THEY CHOSE TO DO IT.

THERE'S DIFFERENT MEANS FOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BRING CASES BEFORE THE, THE BODY OR TO BRING ITEMS BEFORE THE BODY.

MUCH LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE, I THINK THE THREE SIGNATURE MEMO.

SO JUST A QUICK THING, I'VE ALREADY HIT THIS.

MOST CITIES DID NOT ALLOW AMORTIZATION.

THE ONES THAT DO ONLY TWO, ALLOW TWO OTHERS ALLOWED, UM, RESIDENT APPLICATIONS.

WE DID IT FOR A LONG TIME.

I THINK WE STARTED IN THE EIGHTIES.

THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT HAD COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION.

AND ON NOVEMBER 14TH, WE TOOK THE SAME PRESENTATION, CASEY AND I, UH, TO ZAC.

AND THE ZAC DIRECTED US TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND INCLUDE A PROCESS, AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR RESIDENTS TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE A REQUEST TO THE BOARD.

UM, PROCESS SHOULD PREVENT APPLICANTS HAVING A FINANCIAL INTEREST AND NOT INCLUDE OR INTRUDED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS THAT RELATE TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE WILL TAKE AT THE ISSUE? YOU WOULD TAKE QUESTIONS NOW.

UH, WE'D ACTUALLY RATHER DO THAT AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO THERE'S, OKAY.

SO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION QUESTIONS GET ASKED IN THERE INSTEAD OF OUT HERE.

GREAT.

I, I'M NOW GOING TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT IT'S NOW 9:26 AM THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION WILL NOW GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO AMENDING THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING CASES AND CODE AMENDMENTS THAT MAY RESULT IN THE CREATION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INITIATING AND CONDUCTING A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING TO ESTABLISH A COMPLIANCE DATE IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WELL, SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT, UM, THAT REPORT.

UH, SO

[EXECUTIVE SESSION ]

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UM, DO I NEED TO READ THE ENTIRE CASE, MR. MILLER? OKAY.

UM, UH, AND JANIE CISNEROS VERSUS CITY OF DALLAS, THE DALLAS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, AND KAMIKA MILLER HOSKINS, AND HER OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS INTERIM CHIEF PLANNER, BOARD ADMINISTRATOR OF THE DALLAS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

CAUSE NUMBER DC 2 3 2 1 1 0 2 IS AUTHORIZED BY THE SECTION 5 51 0.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.

SO HERE WE GO.

SO WE'RE NOW ADJOURNED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

[BRIEFINGS (Part 2 of 3) ]

LET'S GET BACK ON THE RECORD AND RESUME OUR, OUR BRIEFING.

IT IS NOW, UH, 10:16 AM THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RETURNED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UM, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN JOINED US, UH, AT 9 45 DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UM, I NEED ONE MORE PERSON.

OH, THERE YOU GO.

SO, UM, NEXT ON, UM, OUR AGENDA THIS MORNING.

WE HAVE A BRIEFING FROM STAFF, UM, REGARDING, UH, FORWARD DALLAS.

UM, SO I'LL INVITE, I BELIEVE MR. AGU UP TO BAT.

OF THE PLAN THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS GONNA BE RELEASED HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK.

ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING.

UH, HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? UH, SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, UM, REGARDING FORD DALLAS.

UM, AS WE DISCUSS, UH, SOME OF THE UPDATES AND, AND THE CONCEPTS OF FORD DALLAS, I WANNA JUST REITERATE THAT THIS IS WANNA JUST BE MORE OF A DISCUSSION, UM, AS WE GIVES YOU SOME MORE OVERVIEW IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PLAN IS, THE UPDATES OF THE PLAN, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE REGARDING WHAT FORD DALLAS IS, UH, THE UPDATES THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED.

AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, AS WE BEGIN TO ENGAGE YOU ALL, UM, IN FUTURE MEETINGS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF TERMS AND WHEN WE DO SUGGEST POSSIBLE, UM, UPDATES THAT YOU ALL NEED TO VOTE ON IN SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS, UH, THAT HELP HOPEFULLY EXPEDITES THE PROCESS AND THE CONVERSATION.

ALL RIGHT? SO, UH, PURPOSE STAFF'S GONNA PROVIDE A QUICK OVERVIEW FOR DALLAS TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD PRIOR.

UM, NO ITEMS WOULD BE UP FOR VOTE TODAY OR REVIEW.

UM, SO JUST AGAIN, JUST TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE REGARDING WHAT FOR DALLAS IS THE PLAN, DOCUMENT UPDATES, UM, AND HOW WE WANT YOU ALL TO HELP US UPDATE THIS DOCUMENT.

SO, A QUICK OUTLINE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY, UH, THE VERSION THREE OF THE DRAFT, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE RELEASED, HOPEFULLY, UH, END OF THIS WEEK.

WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, UM, THE UPDATES ON THAT AND HOW THE PREVIOUS BODY CLUB HELPED US UPDATE THAT PLAN.

UH, WE'LL DISCUSS THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT CAME OUT FROM THOSE UPDATES, SPECIFICALLY THE EJ AND INDUSTRIAL PLAY TYPES, AND THE RESIDENTIAL PLAY TYPES.

AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.

ALRIGHT, SO THE DRAFT

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WE'RE MAKING SOME INTERNAL, UH, MODIFICATIONS, TWEAKS, UH, TO THAT.

UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, ONE, LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE RELEASE OF THAT PLAN IS GONNA, UH, HELP YOU ALL TO THEN LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT BEFORE WE GET TO OUR NEXT MEETING IN MARCH.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GIVE YOU ALL ENOUGH TIME, UH, TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT, UM, BEFORE WE MEET NEXT TIME, SO YOU ALL HAVE A CLEAR, UH, PICTURE OF OR ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE WE TALK TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

UM, NEXT MEETING.

UH, SO I NOW ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE A QR CODE TO OUR WEBSITE WHERE THE DOCUMENT WILL BE LOCATED.

AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE SENDING A LINK TO YOU ALL AND THE PUBLIC, UH, REGARDING THE ACTUAL LINK TO THE PLAN DOCUMENT.

SO AS YOU ALL GET PREPARED FOR THIS DOCUMENT, I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF HOW TO READ THIS UPDATED DRAFT.

UH, SO AS YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT, THERE'S GONNA BE A FEW DIFFERENT COLORS THAT YOU, UH, PROBABLY NOT ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING IN, IN GENERAL PLAN DOCUMENTS.

UH, SO I WANNA JUST TALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE ARE, JUST TO KIND OF GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UH, WHEN YOU SEE THAT DOCUMENT.

SO, THE NEW EDITS, THE NEW CHANGES FROM THE, THE LAST RELEASE DOCUMENT IS GONNA BE IDENTIFIED IN THIS MAGENTA, UH, PINK COLOR.

UH, SO THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE, ON THE COVER ON SOME, SOME PARTICULAR SECTIONS OF THE PLAN DOCUMENT.

UH, SO THAT IS GONNA INDICATE THAT SOMETHING NEW HAS CHANGED IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION.

UH, WHEN YOU SEE AN ASTERISK AS WELL ON A PARTICULAR PAGE, THAT THAT PAGE WAS NEWLY ADDED, NEWLY CREATED.

UM, AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A PAGE LIKE THAT, NOT ALL TEXTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED AS PINK JUST TO KIND OF MAKE IT LEGIBLE TO READ.

SO PINK IS THE IDENTIFYING COLOR IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE THE BACKGROUND OR OTHER GRAPHICS ARE NOT, UH, ARE THE SAME COLOR OR MAKE IT HARD TO READ THE PINK, UH, YOU ALSO SEE YELLOW IN, IN, UM, LIMITED, UH, LOCATIONS.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S A FEW PLACES WHERE STAFF IS STILL TWEAKING AND THINKING THROUGH SPECIFIC WORDING OR, OR, OR TEXT IN THE DOCUMENT.

UH, IN THE RARE CASE THAT YOU SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE IN RED, AND ALSO TOO, IT'S IN A PARTICULAR, UH, LOCATION OF THE PLAN DOCUMENT THAT'S NOT EASY TO SEE RED THAT'LL BE SHOWN IN GREEN.

SO AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE JUST, JUST BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

UH, WE'VE PROVIDED THIS TO THE CLUB AS WELL.

JUST WANNA REITERATE, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA BE SHOWING THE CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAFT TO THIS DRAFT.

AND JUST AN OVERVIEW AGAIN, OF THE MAJOR PLAN COMPONENTS.

UM, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE THEMES, THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, THE PLACE TYPE MAP, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.

UH, WANT TO BE BRING UP, UH, TOP UH, TOP OF MIND THAT THE MAP IN THIS VERSION, UH, WON'T BE UPDATED.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR WITH THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE PLACE TYPES, ESPECIALLY WITH YOU ALL AS WE'RE ENGAGING, UH, THE CONVERSATION ANEW AND AFRESH.

SO THAT MAP WILL BE THE SAME MAP THAT WAS RELEASED IN DECEMBER.

UM, AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE REGARDING THE ISSUES FROM THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT THEY ARE BEFORE WE MAKE AN UPDATE TO THE MAP.

SO AS YOU GET THE PLAN, DOCUMENT, UPDATE, UH, THE LANE USE THEMES, THERE'LL BE SOME TEXTUAL EDITS, SAME WITH THE DESCRIPTIONS.

UM, BUT THE MAP WILL REMAIN THE SAME AS WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS WITH THIS BODY AND THE COMMUNITY.

UM, CLARIFYING SOME ISSUES RE REGARDING THE PLAY TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, AND THEN ALSO TO THE, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

OR WHO AND HOW'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF TAKING CARE OF, OF THAT PARTICULAR THEME.

SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS JUST GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW HOW WE'RE GOING TO, HOW TO READ AND LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE RELEASED, UH, FOR YOU ALL, UH, COMING IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.

SO THE FIRST SECTION, THIS IS GONNA BE THE, THE PLACE TYPE THEME SECTION.

UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR SECTION HAS GOES FROM LEFT TO RIGHT IN TERMS OF BREAKING DOWN WHAT THE IMPORTANT, UH, KEY ISSUES WERE.

UH, WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN TERMS OF, UH, LAND USE AND EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, WHAT THE OBJECTIVE NEEDS TO BE, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND THEN TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA BE DONE.

SO EACH THEME OF THE PLAN DOCUMENT, UH, GOES FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, DISCUSSING AND UNPACKING THESE ISSUES.

AND THEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, HOW DOES THAT NEED TO BE DONE, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEASURE, UH, REGARDING THAT.

SO THIS PARTICULAR VERSION, UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEASURING AND AND SUCCESSES, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN PROBABLY POST FOR DALLAS, WHERE WE START TO DEVELOP METRICS AND WAYS OF MEASURING HOW SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE.

UH, BUT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS SECTION IS UNPACK THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE THEMES AND HOW WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EITHER RECTIFYING CERTAIN ISSUES

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UM, ALSO TOO, ON THIS PARTICULAR SPREAD, YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE LEFT COLUMN THERE'S A, DID YOU KNOW, SECTION, UM, AND THAT SECTION GETS UPDATED BASICALLY EVERY DRAFT.

UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE DESCRIPTIONS OR THE DEFINITIONS OF THE PARTICULAR THEME, UH, MIGHT BE IN THE COLUMN.

UM, SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THEME'S ABOUT EACH THEME WILL HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURE.

SO AS YOU GO THROUGH THE FIVE MAJOR THEMES OF THE PROJECT, YOU'LL SEE ONE, WHAT'S GENERALLY ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE THEME AND THE GOAL IS UP TOP, AND THEN GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT IN TERMS OF ISSUES, CONDITIONS, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT.

ALRIGHT? SO THE SECOND PART OF THE DOCUMENT IS THE PLACE TYPES, UM, AND THE PLACE TYPES DELLS THROUGH EACH TYPE OF PLACE THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY, UH, DISCUSSING, UM, THE OVERVIEW OF WHAT ENCOMPASSES THAT PLACE, UM, THE LAND USAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, UM, AND ALSO THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE FORM OF THAT THAT PLACE LOOKS LIKE.

SO WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, JUST GIVE AN OVERVIEW, UM, OF WHAT ALL THESE PLACE TYPES ARE.

UH, SO THIS BASICALLY IS SHOWN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CHAPTER.

IT SHOWS ALL THE LAND USES ALL THE PLACE TYPES AND THE, THE, THE PRIMARY AND THE SUPPORTING USES THAT ARE PART OF THAT.

SO AS WE LOOK AT KIND OF A ZOOMED IN, UH, PART OF THIS, THE COLUMN TO THE LEFT DELVES ON THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES THAT WE HAVE.

AND THEN THE ROW, UH, ON THE TOP LOOKS AT THE DIFFERENT LANE USES.

AND THOSE LAND USES HAVE CERTAIN EXAMPLES, UH, THAT CONNECT TO THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, PLACE TYPES.

SO AS YOU'RE ABLE TO LOOK FROM, UH, EACH OF THE PLACE TYPES ON THE COLUMN, AND THEN LOOKING BACK AT THE LAND USES, YOU CAN THEN START TO SEE THE PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING LAND USES PER EACH, UH, PLACE TYPE.

AND THEN STARTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PLACE TYPE AND, AND THAT MIX OF USES LOOK LIKE IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PLACE TYPES, UM, IN THE DOCUMENT.

SO THIS IS GONNA BE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF ONE, JUST GETTING A, A BROAD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL THESE PLACE TYPES ARE SHOWING AND INDICATING AND HOW THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER.

AND ALSO THE OTHER EXAMPLES FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ARE THEY DESCRIBING? UM, AND THEN IN THE TOTALITY, HOW ARE, HOW ARE THESE LAND USES COMING TOGETHER TO CREATE EACH OF THESE, UH, LANE USE AND PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.

UH, ALSO PART OF THE PLACE TYPE SECTION, UM, IS OUR PLACE TYPE MAP.

AND AS I REITERATED EARLIER, UH, WE'LL BE DISPLAYING THE VERSION FROM DECEMBER ON THIS UPCOMING DRAFT.

UH, THIS IS A, THE GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION THAT PUTS, PUTS THIS, UM, IN THE CITY LOCATIONALLY TO SEE HOW THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY.

SO THIS SECTION IS GONNA BE, UM, UPDATED TO PROVIDE SOME TEXTUAL UPDATES AND TWEAKS.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE MAP FROM DECEMBER 2ND, 2023, AS WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THESE PLACE TYPES AND HOW DO THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER.

AND THEN LAST SECTION OF THIS DOCUMENT IS GONNA BE OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

UM, THIS IS WHERE WE DELVE INTO THE HOW THE WHO, UM, OF GETTING SOME OF THESE THEMES IMPLEMENTED, UH, FROM IDENTIFYING ACTION STEPS AND WHO'S GONNA BE THE PERSON OR THE DEPARTMENT, EXCUSE ME, UH, LEADING THOSE EFFORTS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND SUSTAINABILITY THEME.

UH, SO GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, WE DISCUSS OR IDENTIFY THE OBJECTIVES.

UM, AND THEN AS WE GO MORE TO THE, TO THE RIGHT, THEN YOU SEE CERTAIN ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THOSE OBJECTIVES, YOU UNDERSTAND.

AND THEN SEE THE LEAD AGENCY THAT'S GONNA BE LEADING THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN THE KEY PARTNERS, UH, ONE THING THAT WE ADDED TO NEWLY AND IN THAT LAST FEW VERSIONS WAS ALSO CONNECTING THE DOTS TO OTHER THEMES, OTHER RELATED, UM, PARTS OF THE DOCUMENT THROUGH A RELATED THEMES COLUMN.

SO SUPPORTING, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE GOALS THAT CONNECTS TO OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE, NOT JUST IN THE PLAN, BUT OTHER, UM, DOCUMENTS IN THE CITY.

SO WE WANNA BE ABLE TO BE CLEAR WITH WHERE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR TABLE THAT WE'RE SHARING.

SO AS WE GO FROM THE GENERAL THEMES, UH, THROUGH THE DOCUMENT TO THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, THIS THEN SHOWS THE MORE DETAIL OF THE HOW AND THE WHO OF MOVING SOME OF THOSE GOALS AND INITIATIVES FORWARD.

SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST GOING TO PAUSE AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF JUST

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THE, THE ORDER OF THE DOCUMENT AND WHAT THOSE, UM, SECTIONS ARE, ARE SPEAKING TO.

AND WE CAN GO BACK TO ANY OF THOSE, UH, SLIDES JUST FOR CONTEXT SET.

UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. AGU? MR. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, BUT A LOT OF CONVERSATION IN THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN AROUND THE LACK OF THE WORD SINGLE FAMILY IN, IN THE PRESENTATION.

DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THAT? SO THIS IS PART ONE OF A MULTI-PART PRESENTATION, SO WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT ON THE, ON THE LATTER PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.

UM, BUT ANYTHING RELATED JUST TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE DOCUMENT, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS NOW, BUT YOUR QUESTIONS WE WILL TOUCH ON, ON LATTER PART TWO AS WELL.

GOOD QUESTION.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A PART TWO COMING.

ANY QUESTIONS ON PART ONE? SCENE? NONE.

I GUESS WE'LL KEEP MOVING.

CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT WAS, ALTHOUGH WE HAD ADDED AN ADDITIONAL INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE, UH, TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE, WE SAW PRIOR TO ALL OF THOSE USES BEING IN ONE, UH, THE COMMUNITY STILL HAD, UH, SOME CONCERN THAT THAT ADDIT, THAT FLEX INDUSTRY PLAY TYPE STILL HAD, UM, NOT AS MUCH CLARITY IN TERMS OF THOSE LAND USES AND HOW IT IT CONNECTS WITH, UM, THEIR COMMUNITY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS NOW, KIND OF THE, THE MEAT OF, UM, THE DISCUSSIONS IN, IN THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING HERE IS TWO PARTS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND, UH, INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE DISCUSSION.

AND ALSO TWO, WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING AND UNPACKING THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE DISCUSSION AS WELL.

SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION ITEMS, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE RELATED TO THE EJ INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES FIELD, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE RELATED TO THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL DO THE SAME FOR THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL ONE.

ALRIGHT, SO CURRENTLY THE PLAN DRAFT HAS THREE, UH, INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES.

UH, WE HAVE THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, UH, WHICH IS FOCUSED MORE ON THE TRANSITION AWAY FROM INDUSTRIAL USES TO OTHER USES, UH, IN THE CITY.

UH, WE HAVE A LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHICH IS FOCUSED MORE ON LARGE WAREHOUSES AND, AND THE, THE MORE LOGISTICS OPERATIONS THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY.

AND THEN THE INDUSTRIAL HUB, THAT IS, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE MORE HARDER HARSHER MANUFACTURING LAND USES AND OPERATIONS IN THIS CITY.

UH, SO IT'S IMPORTANT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF, OF WHERE WE ARE, BUT I WANNA ALSO TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT.

SO THE CURRENT, UH, FOR DALLAS 2006, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD AND THEN WE ANALYZED WAS ONE, IT HAS ONE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CATEGORY.

SO THE, THE THREE THAT I JUST MENTIONED BEFORE, IMAGINE ALL THOSE USES BEING IN ONE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE.

UH, THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS WHEN YOU START TO IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE CITY, UH, THE ONE THAT'S CLUSTERED IN A PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY, UM, AND ALSO IT'S BY AND ADJACENT TO THE RIVER AND ALSO SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO AS WE LOOK AT JUST THE LOCATION OF THIS ONE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE IN THE FORD DALLAS 2006, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES RELATED TO THE CONCENTRATION WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN THE CITY, THE OTHER LAND USES THAT'S ADJACENT TO, AND THE EFFECTS ON COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR IN THE CITY.

SO IN TERMS OF JUST ANALYZING THAT COMPONENT, UM, THERE ARE FEW SUGGESTIONS AND FEW IDEAS IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE, UH, REMEDY, UH, SOME OF THOSE USES THAT WE'RE SEEING AND THOSE ADJACENCIES IN THE CITY.

SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES THAT OCCURRED, UH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH OUR CONSULTANT, WITH THE CLUB, UH, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, ET CETERA.

SO, UM, BEFORE, UH, WE HAD EVOLVED INTO THE THREE, WE HAD TWO, UH, ONE WAS CALLED THE FLEX INDUSTRY PLACE TYPE, AND THE OTHER WAS INDUSTRIAL HUB.

SO THE INDUSTRIAL HUB, UH, KIND OF REMAINED THE SAME AS THAT HARSHER MANUFACTURING PLACE TYPE, UM, WHERE A LOT OF THOSE HEAVIER USES WERE LOCATED, UH, BUT THE FLEX INDUSTRY INCORPORATE EVERYTHING ELSE.

UM, SO THE ISSUE WITH THAT IN TERMS OF INCLUDING THE, THE, THE FLEXIBILITY OF LIGHT INDUSTRY AND LOGISTICS WAS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF USES WITHIN THERE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE ADJACENT TO THOSE USES.

STILL FELT THAT THERE WAS STILL AN ISSUE HAVING ALL OF THOSE USES STILL PART OF ONE PLACE TYPE AND HARD TO D DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES AS A COMMUNITY TO THOSE USES.

SO IN THE MIDDLE, UH, WE HAVE THE, THE LANE USES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE, UH, PLACE TYPES, THE APARTMENT AND THE MULTIPLEX, THOSE WERE SPLIT INTO TWO FROM ONE THAT USED TO BE JUST MULTIFAMILY.

SO FROM THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, TWO THINGS THAT THEY ASKED WAS ONE THAT WE BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH, UM, THE TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, AND THEN THOSE ADJACENCIES, UM, NEAR THE, THE FLEX INDUSTRY AND THE INDUSTRIAL HUB.

SO THE

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UH, SO THE FEEDBACK THAT WE, THAT WE HEARD FROM THEM WAS TO THINK ABOUT ADDING THAT THIRD, UM, LOGISTICS PARK PLACE TYPE THAT ONE, REMOVE THOSE LARGER, UH, INDUSTRIAL USES INTO, UH, ITS OWN CATEGORY.

IT WAS HELP HELP US TO KIND OF REFINE WHAT THE FLEX COMMERCIAL WAS, UH, AND THE INTENT OF THAT.

SO IN DOING, IN DOING SO, THE FLEX COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY BECAME THAT, UH, PLACE TYPE WHERE IT, IT ACTUALLY SIGNALS THAT TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE HARSHER INDUSTRIAL USES THAT WERE ESPECIALLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

UM, THE LOGISTICS NOW THEN CAN FOCUS MORE ON THE WAREHOUSING, THE LARGER, UM, LAND NEEDED FOR THOSE OPERATIONS.

AND THE INDUSTRIAL HUB WAS FOCUSED MORE ON KEEPING THOSE HARSHER MANUFACTURING USES, UM, AWAY FROM THE CITY.

UH, SO ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS DID, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE.

UH, SO AS YOU NOTICE ON THE MAP, AGAIN, JUST FOR JUST CONTEXT SETTING, UH, THE INDUSTRIAL HUB THAT, THAT HARSHER, UH, LANE USE THAT WE HAD NOW JUST SHOW UP IN THREE MAJOR LOCATIONS IN THE CITY, ALL CLOSER TO INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE EITHER ADJACENT TO, UH, THOSE USES THAT WE SEE IN OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND NOT IN THE CITY, UH, CORE.

SO THAT, UH, HAPPENS ALONG STEMMONS CLOSER TO GARLAND AND THEN ALSO BY MCCOMBS.

SO KIND OF BEING VERY DELIBERATE WITH THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT THOSE HARSHER USES SHOULD BE OUTSIDE, UM, COASTAL CITY LIMITS NEAR THOSE SIMILAR TYPE OF USES.

UH, THAT WAS A, UH, VERY CRITICAL, UH, RESULT OF CLARIFYING THOSE ADDITIONAL THREE PLACE TYPES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS JUST KIND OF DELVE INTO THE THREE, AND THEN WE OPENED UP FOR QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THOSE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES.

AGAIN, JUST WANT TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF HOW WE GOT TO THOSE PLACE TYPES, WHAT THOSE PLACE TYPES MEAN, AND THEN THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE, UH, TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS BODY.

SO WITH THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, AS I MENTIONED, UM, NOT ONLY IS IT A TRANSITION AWAY FROM INCOMPATIBLE USES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, UM, WE WANT WHAT WE WERE ASKED FROM FROM CLUB IS TO START TO THINK ABOUT THE SCALE OF THESE USES SPECIFICALLY, UH, WAREHOUSES IN, IN THIS, UH, FLEX COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE.

NOW THAT THOSE LOGISTIC, UH, LARGER USES HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THE LOGISTICS HUB, UM, WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE, HOW SHOULD SMALLER WAREHOUSES BE SCALED AND DEFINED? UH, THAT WAS A, A CHARGE FROM THE CLUB THAT WE WERE GIVEN.

UM, ALSO TOO, THEY ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE MIXTURE, UH, FOCUSED ON THE MIXTURE OF OTHER USES IN THIS PLACE TYPE, UH, IN TERMS OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, SUPPORTING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THE REHABILITATION OF OTHER EXISTING STRUCTURES, UH, TO HELP MAKE THIS MORE OF THAT FLEXIBLE COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE.

AND LESS OF, UH, THAT INDUSTRIAL HUBBY OR LOGISTIC TYPE OF PLACE TYPE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED THAT IT WOULD, IT WAS BECOMING WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THE THREE.

AND THEN THIRDLY, THINKING ABOUT INCLUDING PERFORMANCE MEASURES, UM, IN ANY NEW SCALE, UM, WAREHOUSE OR INDUSTRY THAT COMES INTO THIS PLACE TYPE.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, AS THIS PLACE TYPE BECOMES THAT CLEARLY, UM, KIND OF TRANSITIONAL PLACE, LIKE AWAY FROM HARSHER USES, UH, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE TRACKING, UH, THROUGH, UH, UP UPCOMING EITHER ZONING OR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR HOW THOSE SMALL SCALED, UM, INDUSTRIES AND LAND USES COME ON BOARD WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.

SO A FEW THINGS I WANT TO ALSO NOTE TOO.

SO EACH OF THE PLACE SITES, LIKE WE MENTIONED, HAS TWO SPREADS.

UH, THE INTRODUCTORY SPREAD THAT WE JUST SHOWED GIVES A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT IS, THE CONTEXT, UM, SOME INFORMATION THAT WE ANALYZE FOR DURING OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS.

AND THEN IT GIVES A QUICK GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS WITH, UH, WITH A GRAPHIC OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MIX THAT THAT PARTICULAR, UH, PLACE TYPE ENCOMPASSES.

UM, AS YOU YELLED INTO PAGE TWO OF THAT PLACE TYPE, IT GOES INTO MORE DETAIL OF HOW YOU APPLY THAT PLACE TYPE CONTEXTUALLY,

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UH, ADJACENCIES THAT COULD EXIST, HOW YOU, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ADJACENCIES.

AND THEN THE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS IN TERMS OF MOBILITY, GREEN SPACE, STREETS, SCAPE, AND URBAN FORM.

UH, EACH PLACE TYPE HAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ON HOW NEW DEVELOPMENT, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT NEW LAND USES SHOULD WORK AND SHOULD BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.

UH, SO WHAT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA NOTE A FEW, UH, HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE DEVELOPED AND, AND DISCUSSED WITH K CLUB.

UM, AND THEN YOU ALL WILL BE LOOKING INTO A BIT MORE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AS THE PLAN GETS RELEASED.

SO ONE, UH, CHANGES TO THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UH, SHOULD BE INCREMENTAL SENSITIVE TO EXISTING CONTEXT AND INCLUSIVE, UH, OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS.

SO JUST LIKE WE'VE SEEN THROUGH FORD DALLAS, AS WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE PLACE TYPES, I THINK THAT THAT ENGAGEMENT SHOULD OCCUR, UM, AND THE CONVERSATION SHOULD ALWAYS HAPPEN AS WE ARE MOVING.

UM, IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT LANE USES WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE, UM, ANY NEW INDUSTRIAL, UH, USES CONSIDERED IN THIS PLACE TYPE SHOULD BE LOW IMPACT, SMALL SCALED AND SELF-CONTAINED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, IF IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES.

AND THEN THOROUGHLY, UH, WHATEVER THE FLEX COMMERCIAL AREAS ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, UH, PROPOSED ZONINGS OR REDEVELOPMENT, UH, TO TO SMALL WAREHOUSES OR OTHER SIMILAR TYPE OF USES SHOULD INCLUDE THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.

UM, SO JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDINGS.

SO I'M GONNA DO, I'M GONNA GOING PAUSE RIGHT THERE REAL QUICK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.

UH, AND THEN WE CAN ALSO, WHEN WE TALK THROUGH ALL THE THREE, IF THERE'S ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS FOR ALL THREE, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT TOO.

SO ANY JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, I THINK PART OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND I I HEAR YOU TOUCHING ON IT AND I'M TRYING TO READ THROUGH THE LANGUAGE, IS WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT MAY BE NOT WHERE WE WOULD IDEALLY LOCATE THEM WHEN WE CONSIDER NEW REQUESTS IS THE, AND THERE'S REFERENCES TO HOW TO TREAT REDEVELOPMENT.

BUT FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CASES THAT COME THROUGH IN MY DISTRICT WHERE EXISTING BUSINESS, THEY'RE EITHER WANTING TO EXPAND, UM, THEY HAVE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

HOW IS THE LANGUAGE ANTICIPATING WHAT THOUGHT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THOSE? I MEAN, I JUST, I I SEE ONE SENTENCE IN HERE AND, AND DOES THERE NEED TO BE MORE, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION, RIGHT? SO I THINK KIND OF THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO TWO THINGS ON THAT.

SO IN ADDITION TO JUST THE LANGUAGE ON HOW THOSE, THOSE ADJACENCIES WORK, UM, I THINK THAT THE CRITICAL PIECE IS GONNA BE THE MAP IN TERMS OF KINDA WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED IN, IN THE CITY.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS KIND OF CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE, THE LANGUAGE HERE AND THE MAP.

SO AGAIN, TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THE ADJACENCY SECTION TALKS ABOUT WHENEVER YOU DO HAVE THAT CURRENT ADJACENCY TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE, UM, WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD TO ALIGN WITH THE MAP THAT WE HAVE.

UM, ON, ON THE DOCUMENT, ASK ONE FOLLOW UP AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA USE AN EXAMPLE THAT WE JUST CONSIDERED.

I HAVE CS DIRECTLY NEXT TO R FIVE MM-HMM NO ALLEY, NO STREET, NO, I MEAN LOT LINE TO LOT LINE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MAP IS GOING TO BE THAT GRANULAR AND I DON'T THINK IT'S INTENDED TO BE THAT GRANULAR.

HOWEVER, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN I AM RIGHT SPEAKING TO THE COMMUNITY, HOW THAT IS BEING DEFINED WITHIN THIS PLAN.

THAT'S ACTUALLY A QUESTION THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING BEFORE YOU ALL IS HOW DOES CS, HOW SHOULD THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO THESE PLACE TYPES, SPECIFICALLY THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, THE LOGISTICS AND INDUSTRIAL HUB? SO AS YOU ALL ARE LOOKING THROUGH ZONING CHANGES IN TERMS OF WHERE IT'S THE, THE CURRENT CHANGE TO THE, THE EXISTING PROPOSED CHANGE, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING YOUR FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF WHERE, IF, IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT MAKES SENSE, PLACE TYPE WISE, SHOULD THAT USE BE IDENTIFIED IN OUR LANGUAGE.

SO WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT AT THE MOMENT, BUT I THINK WE CAN USE YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK TO USE THIS DOCUMENT MAYBE TO HELP REFINE, UM, HOW THIS CAN HELP YOU, UM, IDENTIFY THAT, UH, THROUGH YOUR, YOUR CASES.

AND IF I MAY ASK ONE ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP.

SO ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THE SPECTRUM, THERE'S WAREHOUSE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT SEPARATED FROM, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREAS NEAR A, UM, UH, I 35.

IT'S ON A PRIMARY TRANSIT CORRIDOR, BUT THERE'S A LONG-TERM VISION.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE AREA PLANS THAT SPEAK ABOUT THAT TURNING INTO A GATEWAY BEING MORE RESIDENTIALLY FOCUSED.

MM-HMM, AGAIN, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS, WELL, TODAY IT MAY BE MORE INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE THROUGH THE PLACE TYPES, WE WOULD START TO SET THE VISION THAT SUPPORTS WHAT OUR AREA PLANS HAVE ALREADY PUT OUT.

IS THAT FAIR? RIGHT.

BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN, UH, UPDATED TO THE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE ON, IN THAT AREA, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35, UH, TO REFLECTING ALIGN WITH THOSE PLANS THAT HAVE, WE HAVE ANALYZED AND ALSO ALSO WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID THEY WANT TO SEE THERE, UH, THROUGH THE FUTURE LAND USE OF OF, OF THAT AREA.

SO I GUESS THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE ALONG 35, I

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THANK YOU, MR. YOU THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

DID YOU SOMETHING, COULD I JUST ADD QUICKLY, UM, IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT YOU THINK THAT ARE MISSING TO HELP DO YOUR JOBS, UM, SOME CERTAIN TEXT, A SENTENCE HERE AND THERE, WE WELCOME YOU SENDING THAT TO US.

WHAT WOULD HELP YOU, WHAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WOULD HELP YOU WITHIN ONE OF THESE PLACE TYPES, GIVEN THE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU DEAL WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS HERE? SO WE, WE WELCOME ADDING IN THAT LANGUAGE AND WE CAN, WE, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL COMPILE A LIST TO THEN HAVE A, A DISCUSSION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE LAND ON THAT AMENDED LANGUAGE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? UM, MR. AGIE, UH, A COUPLE OF EDITORIAL REMARKS ON MY PART.

UM, I'M, THIS IS FASCINATING.

THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD WORK ON THIS.

UH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DEVOTE OUR ENTIRE DAY TO FORWARD DALLAS, ALTHOUGH I CANNOT DO THAT IN MY ROLE AS CHAIR.

AND WE, WE DO HAVE A DOCKET AND A BRIEFING TO GET TO.

UM, AND SO IF I THINK THAT, UH, I'M, I'M CERTAIN THERE WILL BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES.

SO I THINK LET'S, LET'S NOT SHORTCHANGE THAT, BUT UH, WE DO NEED TO BRIEF SOME CASES.

SO IF YOU COULD DEFINITELY HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS.

KNOW, GROWING OLDER, WANNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU TO STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO BE DE WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO LEAVE.

SO I THINK IN TERMS OF THE LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PLACE, I THINK WE'RE IN A PRETTY GOOD PLACE IN UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCES.

AND IF, IF NOT, WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A KIND OF SIDEBAR CONVERSATION, UH, REGARDING THAT.

ALRIGHT, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR QUESTIONS, UH, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

SO I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH, UM, THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I THINK THERE'S A KINDA A FEW QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT BACK OF YOUR MIND.

I KNOW I'M TRYING TO RUSH THROUGH THIS, BUT I WANT TO BE KIND OF COGNIZANT.

I WANNA BE KIND OF TRUE TO WHAT WE HEAR IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN TERMS OF INPUT, NOT JUST FROM THOSE WHO, WHO LIVE AND RENT, BUT ALSO TO THOSE WHO WANT TO COME INTO THE CITY.

UM, SO JUST KIND OF MORE, UH, HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION.

UM, SO THOSE THAT HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE, THE FORTUNE TO HAVE A HOME IN THE, IN THE CITY, UH, IF YOU WERE TO SELL YOUR HOME, UM, AND, AND TRY TO LIVE IN THAT SAME COMMUNITY, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PURCHASE OR AFFORD LIVING IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY? JUST, JUST RIGHT AT, AT THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT ADDED DENSITY, NOT THINKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE FUTURE.

THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAD TO SELL YOUR HOME AND TRY TO BUY A HOUSE IN YOUR COMMUNITY OR RENT A HOUSE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, COULD YOU AFFORD TO LIVE IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY? THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.

ANOTHER, ANOTHER IMPORTANT QUESTION BACK OF YOUR MIND AS YOU THINK ABOUT THAT TOO.

IF YOU HAD TO SACRIFICE LIVING IN SOMEWHERE SMALLER, UM, IN YOUR COMMUNITY JUST TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? AND THEN THIRDLY, AS STAFF, WE THINK ABOUT, UM, THOSE TWO QUESTIONS, BUT HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THESE, UH, THESE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CHARACTER AND STILL PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CURRENT AND EXISTING RESIDENTS TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY? SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I WANT YOU ALL JUST KINDA THINK BACK IN MIND AS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT, UM, THE, THE PROGRESS OF THESE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES, UH, HAS HAD THROUGH THE NEXT LAST FEW MONTHS.

SO THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

UH, SO HOW DID WE GET TO THIS PARTICULAR POINT OF THIS PLACE TYPE? THERE ARE A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY PROVIDED US THAT WANT TO JUST SHARE WITH YOU ALL.

UH, WHEN WE HAD THE TWO, UM, INDIVIDUAL PLACE TYPES BEFORE.

SO ONE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO PLACE TYPES THAT THAT WE HAD BEFORE.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE BLENDED RESIDENTIAL.

THOSE WERE BOTH, UM, ELEMENTS THAT HAD, UM, THAT WERE BOTH SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPES.

THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD WAS, ONE, IT WAS VERY HARD TO DISTINGUISH WHAT THOSE TWO DIFFERENCES WERE.

UH, PLEASE CLARIFY THAT STAFF.

UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO VERY SIMILAR PLACE TYPES AND WE DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO PLACE TYPES.

UH, TWO, WHY IS OUR COMMUNITY ONE SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPE AND THE OTHER IS ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPE, WE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME.

UH, THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND THIRDLY, DOES FUTURE DENSITY LOOK DIFFERENT IN THESE TWO PLACE TYPES THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME? SO THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD, UH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PREVIOUS PLACE TYPES AND HOW THAT KINDA LED TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, AND EVOLUTION OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE THAT WE DEVELOPED THROUGH CLUB.

SO JUST GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHERE WE WERE AND HOW WE GOT HERE.

UH, SO THERE WERE TWO, UH, SEPARATE, UH, PLACE TYPES AT THE TIME.

THE LANGUAGE THAT'S HERE IS THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT WAS, UM, ON THE, ON THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENT AND IT EXISTS

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HERE TODAY.

UM, ONE WAS LOOKING AT THE MORE SUBURBAN, UH, CURVED LINEAR PLACE TYPE AND THEN OTHER OR, OR LOCATION.

AND THE OTHER WAS THE MORE GRIDED OLDER, UM, TYPE OF PLACE THAT YOU SEE IN THE CITY.

BOTH SAME LANE USES BOTH SAME CHARACTER IN TERMS OF, UH, BOTH ALLOWING FOR DIVERSITY OF HOMES, DUPLEXES, UM, AND SMALLER, UM, MULTIPLEXES.

BUT THE THING THAT WE HAD TO CLARIFY WITH THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE WAS, ONE, AS WE PROVIDE THIS OPTION TO CLUB, IF WE KEEP THE TWO, WE HAD TO BE VERY CLEAR IN TERMS OF ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN BEING CLEAR WHAT, UM, MULTIFAMILY WAS.

SO PEOPLE WERE VERY SCARED THAT MULTIFAMILY WAS JUST THIS MASSIVE TERM THAT JUST INCORPORATED EVERYTHING INTO THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, SO WE PROPOSED TO CLARIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MULTIPLEX, A SMALLER, UH, 2, 3, 4, UM, UH, MULTI, UM, EXCUSE ME, SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT VERSUS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH, UH, WENT TO 10 STORIES AND 10 UNITS AND MORE.

UH, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS WAS CLARIFYING WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PLACE TYPES.

UH, SINCE THE OTHER LANE USES WERE ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR, UH, JUST MAKING SURE THAT EACH OF THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED, UH, CLEARLY OPTION TWO WAS MERGING THE TWO, UM, AND ALSO KEEPING THE SAME PLACE TYPES, BUT THEN IDENTIFYING WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UM, HOW THE DIFFERENT URBAN FORM, UH, TOOK PLACE OR WAS MANIFESTED WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE.

UH, SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE, AS PEOPLE LOOKED AT THE MAP AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE CURIOUS ABOUT WHY IS THIS AREA, THIS CODIFICATION AND THIS OTHER AREA, THIS CODIFICATION, BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME LANE USES.

UH, SO IN TERMS OF COMBINING THEM AND MERGING THEM, UM, THE, THE ISSUE IN TERMS OF CERTAIN AREAS BEING, UM, KIND OF TREATED DIFFERENTLY OR UN INEQUITABLY, UM, THE IDEA WAS TO COMBINE THOSE, STILL DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE FORMS LOOK LIKE IN THAT PLACE TYPE, BUT THEN ALSO TOO ON THE MAP, UH, BEING ABLE TO CLEARLY SEE THAT, UM, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT FORMS WAS STILL A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, PLACE TYPE IN GENERAL.

BUT WE CAN THEN DESCRIBE, UH, THE DETAILS OF THAT, UM, IN, IN THE, IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE DOCUMENT.

SO THAT THAT TAKES US TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

SO, UM, FROM, FROM THE TIME WHERE WE HAD THE TWO WHERE PEOPLE WERE KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE CLOSE TO THEM BEING CODIFIED SOMETHING ELSE AND THEY FELT THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME, UM, OTHERS BEING REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW DOES MULTIFAMILY GET INCORPORATED INTO THOSE PLACE TYPES.

UM, THAT HAS THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM CLUB, WHICH IS AGAIN, UNANIMOUS, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS ONE TO COM COMBINE THE, THE PLACE TYPES, UH, INTO ONE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL TO HELP ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT THEY WERE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THOSE, THOSE ISSUES THAT I ALSO MENTIONED TO YOU ALL KIND OF HYPOTHETICALLY, AND THEN ALSO TOO AS WE WERE UPDATING THE MAP TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S SHOWING GRAPHICALLY.

SO I THINK THAT WAS ALSO THE, THE THREE MAIN ISSUES WAS JUST THE, THE MAP REPRESENTATION, THE DESCRIPTIONS, AND THEN TO WHAT THOSE WERE SAYING ABOUT, UM, HOW HOW OTHER USES MULTIFAMILY USES GET APPLIED INTO THERE.

UH, SO SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT CLUB PROVIDED US, IN ADDITION TO SAYING THAT WE SHOULD COMBINE THAT INTO TWO INTO ONE IS, UM, THE, THE COMBINING OF THE TWO PLACE TYPES, UH, INTO ONE IT LOOKS EQUITABLY ABSORB FUTURE GENTLE DENSITY NEEDS IF NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.

AND THEN WITHIN THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, UH, WE SHOULD BE CLARIFYING THE URBAN DESIGN DIFFERENCES OF HOW THE TWO DIFFERENT FORMS THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY, UH, TAKE PLACE.

SO I'M JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT SOME, SOME LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO FOR REVIEW, IT'S MORE, MORE MEANT FOR THE CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF HOW WE GOT HERE AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE JUST TO HELP US AS WE BEGIN TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS SAYS THAT SENSITIVELY INTEGRATING MIX MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING SUCH AS DUPLEXES AND SMALLER SCALE MULTIPLEXES PROVIDES AN INCREASED, UM, HOUSING CHOICE.

SO GOING BACK TO THAT INITIAL QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU WERE TO SELL YOUR HOME IN YOUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND COULD YOU, COULD YOU AFFORD TO LIVE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, AND THEN ALSO TO, IF NOT, UM, IF YOU WERE HAD THE OPTION TO FIND A SMALLER PLACE IN YOUR SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD YOU DO THAT TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE IS MEANT TO PROVIDE ONE, LIKE IF, IF A COMMUNITY WANTS TO STAY THE WAY IT IS AND EVERYBODY, UM, IS ABLE TO KIND OF KEEP, UH, THEIR, YOU KNOW, SOCIODEMOGRAPHIC STATUS THE SAME, HOPEFULLY YOUR COMMUNITY STAYS THE SAME, BUT THINGS HAPPEN, COVID HAPPENS, UH, RECESSIONS HAPPEN, YOU GET OLDER, UH, YOU GET INJURED.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN STILL STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY WHEN LIFE HAPPENS.

UM, WHETHER THAT BE YOUR FAMILY MOVING AND GROWING UP, WHETHER THAT HAPPENS WITH YOU, YOU

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UM, LIKE SOME, SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE LEAVING TO ANOTHER PLACE THAT'S MORE, THAT'S SMALLER AND DENSER, UH, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MOW THE LAWN ANYMORE.

MY, MY NEIGHBOR BROKE HIS HIP, UH, AND HE'S IN HIS SIXTIES, SO HE HAS TO LEAVE OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T STAY THERE ANYMORE.

SO I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND NOW, WANNA FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF DENSITY, BUT ALSO TO HOW CAN PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, STAY IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SECONDLY, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST CONNECTIVITY, UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT HOW WE ARE ALIGNING THESE OTHER LAND USES IN THIS PLACE TYPE IS DONE, UH, VERY CAREFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY.

SO, UH, OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL LAND USES THAT EXIST HERE, UM, WE, WE ARE, UH, SUGGESTING THAT THEY'RE GENERALLY LOCATED, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER MILE FROM A DART STATION AND OTHER ACTIVITY CENTERS.

AND THEN WE ALSO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FORM THAT YOU SEE IN THE, IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.

UH, AND THIS LAST SLIDE, I BELIEVE KIND OF TOUCHES ON MORE OF THOSE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT HELP TO CLARIFY AND DEFINE, UM, HOW THIS PLACE GETS APPLIED IN THE CITY.

UH, SO IN AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE VACANT PROPERTIES, UH, OR INACTIVE USES, UM, THAT COULD PROVIDE A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH OF INFILL, UM, DEVELOPMENT, MORE HOUSING, UM, JUST TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO MELD INTO THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, UM, IN, IN AREAS WHERE, UM, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT, DOING THAT IN AN INCREMENTAL AND SENSITIVE WAY.

AND THEN THE, THE HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE LOOKING AT THAT COULD, THAT COULD INCLUDE DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES, MULTIPLEXES, AGAIN FOR THAT REASON, PROVIDING MORE OPPORTUNITY AND WAYS OF STAYING IN YOUR COMMUNITY OR HAVING OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF THAT COMMUNITY, UH, THE ABILITY TO DO SO.

SO THAT IS GENERALLY THE KINDA OVERVIEW OF THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UH, READY TO FIELD.

ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE QUESTION.

I HAVE ONE.

UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, I MEAN, WE COULD GO ON FOREVER WITH, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, BUT FOR MOVING FORWARD, UH, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE JUST NOW BEGINNING TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO FORWARD DALLAS AND THE, THE APPLICATION OF THE PLACE TYPES.

UM, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE MECHANISM GOING FORWARD FOR THESE COMMUNITIES TO, UM, EITHER ALTER THEIR PLACE, TYPE OR MODIFY THE BOUNDARIES? SO A FEW DIFFERENT METHODS.

SO LIKE WE MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR STAFF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, SO WE'RE STILL FEELING CALLS AND JUST CONCERNED AND QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

SO WE, WE HAVE PEOPLE STILL COMING TO OUR OFFICES.

WE'RE STILL GOING OUT TO SELECT, UH, AREAS DEPENDING ON WHO REACHES OUT TO US.

AND THEN THROUGH YOU ALL TOO AS WELL, UH, BEING THE EXPERTS OF YOUR DISTRICTS, UM, YOU ALL WILL PROBABLY BE GETTING THOSE, UH, QUESTIONS AND, AND MEETINGS AS WELL.

SO, UM, OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING, THIS, THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT THAT CAN OCCUR.

UM, ALSO WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UH, WE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

WE'LL BE THINKING THROUGH TIME, CERTAIN MEETINGS WITH, WITH CPC, UH, TO WHERE THERE WILL BE A SPECIFIC TIME, UH, THAT WE'LL CLARIFY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR TEAMS AND, AND THE REST OF THIS BODY.

UH, AND THEN CLARIFY WITH THE PUBLIC THAT AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE, THE FOUR DOS PLAN.

AND WE CAN BE ABLE TO HEAR THOSE COMMENTS IN THE PUBLIC FORM, UH, TO THEN ONE FOR THE, THE WHOLE BODY TO HEAR AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THEN FOR STAFF TO ALSO RESPOND TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

HAVE YOU, HAS STAFF DONE ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL ANALYSIS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU'VE TAKEN TALKING ABOUT WITH SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS TO SAY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, THE COST OF BUYING A HOME HAS INCREASED X AMOUNT OVER Y YEARS TO SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU BOUGHT HERE AND IT COST X DOLLARS AND 10 YEARS LATER IT WAS Y DOLLARS.

10 YEARS AFTER THAT IT WAS THE DOLLARS TO PROVE THE POINT YOU'RE TALKING.

BASICALLY TIMES ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY, THAT WON'T BE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT.

SO I THINK, UM, OUR HAS HELPED US DO SOME FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, KIND OF GENERAL ANALYSIS, UM, REGARDING JUST THE TRENDS OF THE MARKET OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND ACTUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.

UH, SO GENERALLY FROM 2000 TO 2020, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS GENERALLY HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE.

I THINK THE, THE SOURCE IS GOLDMAN SACHS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR ANALYSIS THAT GENERALLY FROM, FROM 20, FROM 2000 TO NOW, UH, TO 2020, UM, THE CITY HAS BEEN RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE.

UM, BASICALLY, I THINK A HUNDRED PERCENT WAS KINDA LIKE THE, THE BASELINE AND THEY KIND OF DID A TREND ANALYSIS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYBODY'S BEEN PRETTY AFFORDABLE IN COMPARISON TO, TO, UH, TO CITY, EXCUSE ME,

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TO NATIONAL TRENDS.

IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THOUGH, WE'VE KIND OF DIPPED UNDER THAT AND MOST OF, UH, THE CITY, UH, IS NOT AFFORDABLE TO, TO GET HOUSING.

SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM, FROM THEIR TEAM.

BUT WE HAVEN'T DELVED INTO LIKE MORE SPECIFIC LIKE PARCEL, THE PARCEL AFFORDABILITY ANALYSIS PIECE.

WELL, I GUESS THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING.

HAVE YOU GONE AND DONE ANALYSIS FOR, OR DO YOU PLAN TO, TO SAY, HERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN NORTH OAK CLIFF, HERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN PLEASANT GROVE, HERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN EAST DALLAS, AND HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN TERMS OF THE COST OF LIVING TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SHOW THESE PEOPLE, HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, AND THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS IS WRITING ARTICLES ABOUT, UM, I'VE GOT MINE THE HECK WITH THE REST OF YOU.

AND THAT'S AN ATTITUDE THAT WE'RE HEARING.

AND I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE COULD SEE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, NOT PLANNING FOR THE PRESENT AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST AND WHAT THAT'S LIKELY TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE, UM, THAT'S VALUABLE DATA IN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.

DOES STAFF HAVE ANY INTENTION OF DOING THAT ANALYSIS OR DO YOU HAVE RESOURCES THAT WE COULD ACCESS WITH THAT INFORMATION? SO YEAH, SO WE ARE ACTUALLY PARTNERING WITH OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND ALSO OUR DATA ANALYTICS TEAM TO ACTUALLY THINK THROUGH THOSE, UH, THAT ANALYSIS AND THE DATA AND HOW WE COULD SHOW THAT INFORMATION.

I THINK THE, THE GENERAL DATA THAT WE DO HAVE IS EITHER STATEWIDE OR BASED ON THE CENSUS.

AND BEING ABLE TO KIND OF DO THOSE DRILL DOWNS, UH, IS GONNA TAKE A BIT MORE KIND OF ANALYSIS FROM OUR, OUR PARTNERS.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, THE, THE HOPE IS TO KIND OF PARTNER WITH THE, THE EXPERTS IN THOSE FIELDS, UH, TO HELP US PROVIDE MORE OF THAT DATA TO SUPPORT, UH, THOSE LAND USE, UM, THOSE FUTURE ASPIRATIONAL LAND USE, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO KIND OF USE MORE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT.

AND CAN I JUST, UH, WEIGH IN THAT WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE DATA SETS, SO I THINK WE CAN SHOW SOME OF THE, THE, THAT DATA BEHIND THAT.

BUT I, I, I WANNA BROADEN IT OUT, PULL IT BACK EVEN FURTHER FROM THE NECESSARY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL AND, AND REMIND ABOUT THE SCALE OF THESE PLACE TYPES.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW WE'RE DESCRIBING THESE PLACES.

AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND OUR RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, IT IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT MAKES UP THOSE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE AT A CITYWIDE SCALE, AT LEAST WHERE WE'RE COMING AT FROM AT THIS POINT.

WE ARE NOT DEFINING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THOSE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE ALREADY DEFINED BY ZONING.

WHAT THIS IS, IS DESCRIBING A PLACE AND WHAT ARE THE USES THAT MAKE UP THAT BIGGER PLACE? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM A CITYWIDE PERSPECTIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, YOU CAN GET MORE GRANULAR, YOU MAYBE ARE JUST LOOKING, BUT EVEN WHEN YOU'RE DOING A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, IT'S NOT JUST THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RIGHT, THAT MAKE UP THAT PLACE.

AND SO I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT JUST EVEN FROM THE BIGGER, EVEN THE E YOU KNOW, YES, WE CAN GET THE ECONOMICS, WE CAN GET THE DATA BEHIND IT, WE CAN DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT REALLY IT IS WHAT ARE WE SAYING ABOUT DIFFERENT PLACES AND THE HEALTH AND THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THOSE PLACES MOVING FORWARD? ARE WE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN ARE WE GONNA START TO DEFINE AN APARTMENT PLACE TYPE? ARE WE GOING TO DEFINE A DUPLEX PLACE TYPE? ARE WE GOING TO DEFINE A, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CENTER PLACE TYPE? IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT ARE THESE USES THAT MAKE UP A HEALTHY AREA AND THE SCALE OF THAT.

SO I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I, I DO WANNA GET YOU ALL THAT DATA SO THAT IT CAN HELP YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST HAVE US WALK IT BACK A LITTLE BIT AS WELL AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE DESCRIBING THESE PLACES AT A CITYWIDE LEVEL.

I THINK TO, I WANT TO ADD TO WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED TOO, WHEN DOING, UM, SPECIFICALLY FINANCIAL MODELING OR AN ANALYSIS, WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT, UH, KIND OF THE STATE STATEWIDE CITYWIDE AND THEN LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE, UM, THE, THE ACCURACY OF THAT INFORMATION, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, IT BECOMES LESS ACCURATE AS YOU START TO KIND OF GO TO CERTAIN DIFFERENT SCALES.

SO I THINK WHEN WE GO INTO THE, THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE IN TERMS OF NOT JUST THE LANE USES, BUT OTHER ASSOCIATING ATTRIBUTES THAT ARE TANGENTIAL TO THAT TRANSPORTATION, ET CETERA.

AND BEING ABLE TO DO THAT

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BUT WE HAVE THAT, THE GENERAL KIND OF CITYWIDE DATA THAT WE CAN KINDA USE AND HELP AND SUPPORT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO FOR US TO DO AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? WELL, I GUESS MY, I'LL PHRASE THIS AS A QUESTION.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WE BRING THE PUBLIC ALONG IN THIS PROCESS? IF WE ARE TALKING AT A LEVEL THAT'S NOT THEIR LEVEL, AND I'M HEARING A LOT OF WHAT I WOULD CALL THEORETICAL AND ESOTERIC DISCUSSION THAT'S NOT AIMED AT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY, WHO WE WANT TO KEEP IN THE CITY, WHO ARE, FRANKLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DECISION MAKERS WHO GO TO THE POLLS.

AND THAT'S NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE, BUT THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO COUNT.

SO HOW DO WE BRING THOSE PEOPLE WITH US? BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE AT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WE HAVE TO TALK TO.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO HAVE TOOLS THAT WE CAN EDUCATE THEM ON THESE THINGS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DOES STAFF PLAN TO HELP US BRING THOSE PEOPLE WHERE WE NEED TO BE? BECAUSE USING PHRASES THAT WE'RE USING IN THESE DISCUSSIONS AIN'T GONNA GET THERE.

APOLOGIZE TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

SO FOR US IN OUR PLANT URBAN DESIGN, WE GOING HAVING THOSE SMALLER MEETINGS, THAT'S THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.

UH, SO WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN THIS BODY, UM, AND, AND SAY WE WANT TO HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MEANS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS FOR DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS, THIS, ON THIS HORSESHOE.

SO I THINK GOING TO THE COMMUNITY AND HEARING FROM THEM SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE SAY THIS, IT MEANS THIS THAT'S BEEN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEN WE COME TOGETHER THROUGH THIS BODY AND SAY, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, THIS IS THE SUGGESTION THAT WE THINK MAKES SENSE TO PROVIDE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD OR THESE TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY.

BUT MOST SUCCESSFULLY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO THOSE COMMUNITIES, HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, HAVING THEM COME TO US, WE GO TO THEM.

UM, THAT'S BEEN HOW WE BASICALLY HAVE DONE OUR APPROACH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND THAT'S BEEN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY SPEAK THE LANGUAGE THAT THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS WHERE THEY ARE.

UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN WAS NEXT.

MY ALLERGIES ARE RECKON UP.

SO WHAT COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE SOME OF THE PLACE TYPES, UM, ARE NOT THE COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT DO NOT WANT THAT.

THOSE, SOME OF THOSE PLACE TYPES SUCH AS THOSE, UH, HIGHER DENSITY IN THE SINGLE FAMILY THEY CAN'T AFFORD.

AND WE ARE HEARING, UM, A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THE PLACE TYPES, THE IS WELL, THE ATTRACTION OF THOSE WHO ARE COMING INTO THE CITY, WHEREAS THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY ARE HAVING TO MOVE OUT INTO SUBURBAN AREAS THAT HAVE, UH, UM, THAT ARE CHEAPER IN RENT OR EVEN IN HOMES.

WHEREAS IN THE CITY MIDDLE, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE MOVING OUT AT RAPID NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER CAN AFFORD WHERE THEY'RE LIVING.

AND DENSITY IS NOT GONNA SOLVE BECAUSE FOR EVERY SMALLER HOUSE, THE PRICE TAG IS STILL HIGH.

AND SO DEVELOPERS ARE BUILDING SMALLER UNITS, HIGHER DENSITY UNITS, BUT THEY ALSO, THE PRICE TAG IS REALLY THE SAME AS THE LARGER DENSITY.

SO I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN THE COMMUNITIES, AND THESE COMMUN AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE SAYING, WE WANT THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY SCARED THAT THEY NO LONGER, WELL, THEY ALREADY CAN'T AFFORD THE TAXES.

UM, SO WHAT COMMUNITIES ARE THIS CON IS THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENING IN BESIDES, UH, BISHOP ARTS AND UPTOWN WHO WANTS AS SMALL AS DENSITY AS THEY CAN SO THEY CAN GET AS MANY UNITS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE MOVING INTO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY AREAS, THOSE THAT DO WANT SOME TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT NOT THE HUGE OVERGROWN NON-COMMUNITY BASED APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THESE ARE BEING SERVICED BY PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING INTO THE CITY.

EVERY ARTICLE I'VE READ IS TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TO COME TO THE CITY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN ROUTE BY THIS BY 2045.

BUT IT IS NOT SERVICING THOSE, ESPECIALLY IN MY COMMUNITY.

, UM, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE FOR $25,000 IN, AND IT'S APPRAISED AT 158,000 AND I HAVEN'T DONE ANY WORK TO IT.

IN 15 YEARS.

AND THAT HAPPENED WITHIN A THREE YEAR PERIOD.

I CAN'T, HOW CAN I STAY IN THIS COMMUNITY? I'M WILLING TO LIVE SOMEWHERE THAT'S SMALLER.

SO YEAH.

SO SPEAKING TO JUST THAT, THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU HAVE NOT DOING ANYTHING AND YOUR PROPERTY HASN'T SKYROCKETED, HOW DO YOU STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY? THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING.

SO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SAY, I WANNA STAY IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT

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I'M WILLING TO, TO DOWNSIZE BECAUSE I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY.

UM, BUT I WANNA BE ABLE TO STAY HERE AND AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING.

NOT JUST IN YOU SAID VENTURE PARKS, BUT THAT'S, WE WE'RE HEARING THAT ALL OVER THE CITY.

UM, USUALLY FROM THE YOUNGER GENERATION, FROM THE OLDER GENERATION, WE'RE HEARING THAT, HOW DO I STAY IN MY COMMUNITY? UM, SO I THINK, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, IN ADDITION TO JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY LIVE IN THESE, UH, IN THESE COMMUNITIES AND CITIES, THE CITY OF DALLAS STAY THERE, WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING MORE PEOPLE TOO AS WELL.

SO I THINK JUST FOR THE, FOR YOUR PARTICULAR POINT, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE HEARING THAT FROM EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY, THAT PEOPLE WILL WANT TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE WILLING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT LAND USE CHANGES OR TWEAKS CAN HAPPEN TO ALLOW THEM TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY, ENJOY WHAT THEY'RE USED TO SEEING IN THEIR COMMUNITY, UM, AND NOT HAVE TO GET PRICED OUT LIKE YOU MENTIONED.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAD A QUESTION.

WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KEEP MOVING.

AND THESE CAN BE FOLLOW UP.

UM, BUT I THINK ONE THING THAT I'M HEARING, AND I THINK IT'S REFLECTED IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE ARE RECEIVING, IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INTEGRATING DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES COMPATIBLE WITH THE SCALE, IT ALSO ISN'T ACKNOWLEDGING THAT MANY TIMES WHAT'S IN OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE DOESN'T MATCH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.

UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT CONSIDERATION IS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY INTEGRATED IN THE LANGUAGE.

I THINK FOR ME, A PRIMARY QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AS WELL IS WE ALSO DON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT MIX.

IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE INTEGRATE ADDITIONAL HOUSING, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AS THIS IS WRITTEN, IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY CONTEXT FOR HOW THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED.

IT MENTIONS THERE SHOULD BE STRATEGIC PLANNING.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S AREAS, UM, IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE PROBABLY 50 50 THEY'VE DEVELOPED OVER TIME.

I THINK IT'S PART OF THE MODEL, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT ALL MULTIFAMILY.

THEY'RE NOT ALL SINGLE FAMILY.

THERE'S DUPLEXES, THERE'S ALL THE THINGS THAT I, I READ IN THIS LANGUAGE.

BUT THERE'S NOT THAT, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S TO MS. GILLIS'S POINT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CITYWIDE AND NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID, WE ARE SPEAKING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, SO HOW DO WE HAVE THE TOOLS AND THE LANGUAGE HERE THAT EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND AND IN MAKE A, YOU KNOW, INFORMED DETERMINATION ON.

SO I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THAT.

'CAUSE I KNOW THAT COULD BE AN ALL AFTERNOON DISCUSSION, SO, OKAY.

A FOLLOW UP.

UM, MR. AGGIE, THANK YOU.

UH, I'M GONNA TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF REMARKS BEFORE WE WE DISMISS YOU, BUT, UH, UH, MY EXPERIENCE WITH MEETINGS IN MY COMMUNITY SO FAR IS THAT THE IMPORTANT QUESTION OF RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES IS OVERSHADOWING THE IMPORTANT QUESTION OF NON-RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, AND THAT THERE'S ZERO DISCUSSION OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL DIMENSIONS OF THE PLAN BECAUSE OF THE FOCUS ON THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT ALREADY, BUT I, UH, THERE WILL BE A ROBUST DISCUSSION AROUND THAT AT SOME POINT.

UH, NO DOUBT.

UM, I WOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S REMARKS ABOUT VOCABULARY, AND I WOULD ADD COMPLEXITY.

UH, THIS IS GETTING MORE COMPLICATED THE MORE WE ADD DRAFTS TO THIS.

AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING PAGES TO THE PLACE TYPES TO FURTHER DES DESCRIBE THEM.

UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN MY MEETINGS WITH MY COMMUNITY SO FAR, THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GRASPING WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I THINK THE SIMPLER THE BETTER, THE MORE LAY FRIENDLY, THE BETTER.

AND THEN LASTLY, UM, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REALLY LEAN INTO OUR, OUR GIS DATA AND START TO, UM, USE DATA TO, UM, INFORM US ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA PICK UP HOUSING UNITS IN THIS CITY AND WHERE WE CAN MAKE MEANINGFUL STRIDES.

AND I, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO START LOOKING AT, UH, MEASURING THIS AMOUNT AMOUNTS OF LAND, UH, IN VARIOUS PLACES, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, ET CETERA, AND, AND SEE WHAT WE LEARN.

UM, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.

I, I, UH, I COULD GO ON ABOUT THAT AND ABOUT THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS, BUT THERE WAS, THERE WERE SOME REMARKS AND QUESTIONS, UH, IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES ABOUT MORE DATA.

UH, I THINK THAT TO BACK THIS UP, SO I WOULD, I WOULD FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE PRETTY PRODUCTIVE.

SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONCLUDE THIS AND, UH, MOVE INTO OUR BRIEFING OF, OF, UH, CASES TODAY.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

CASES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY HAVE BEEN HELD AND PRESUMABLY BRIEFED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.

UM, AS WE TRANSITION INTO OUR ZONING CASES, I DID WANT TO, UH, WELCOME UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH TO THE, UH, HORSESHOE THIS MORNING, WHO WILL BE, UH, UNDERTAKING, UH, IMPORTANT WORK IN DISTRICT FOUR.

SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WELCOME, UM, STAFF.

I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, UM, DOCKET HERE AND MANY, MANY

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UM, NOT THE DISTRICT, NOT THE DISTRICT FOUR CASES, THE DISTRICT FOUR CASES.

THAT'S TRUE.

THOSE, OKAY.

ALRIGHT, WELL I WAS GONNA SUGGEST WE SKIP AROUND, BUT SHALL WE JUST START AT THE TOP AND IS STAFF PREPARED TO BEGIN CASE NUMBER FOUR M 2 2 3 0 2 7? YES, WE CAN START WITH THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. ONE MOMENT.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

UM, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE M 2 23 DASH 27.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PD NUMBER 6 95 PHASE THREE.

IT IS CURRENTLY THE HIGHLAND SPRINGS RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, APPROXIMATELY 85.78 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 12.

THIS IS THE LOCATION AND ZONING MAP.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED FAR NORTH DALLAS, NORTH OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

IT IS LOCATED ON SOUTHEAST CORNER OF KUWAIT ROAD AND FRANKFURT ROAD.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE AREA.

THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS TAKING PLACE IN ZONE B FOR THE SUMMARY OF CHANGES.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING 3.3 AND 3.4.

THEY WILL BE RECONFIGURING THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE BUILDING AND SHAPE STRUCTURES.

UM, THEY WILL INCREASE THE BUILDING FLOOR AREA, DECREASE THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS, RECONFIGURED THE PARKING AREA, AND DECREASING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT STILL MEETING THE REQUIRED SPACES.

THEY WILL INCREASE LOCK COVERAGE AND ADJUST THE LOCATION OF TREES AND SIDEWALKS.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TAKING PLACE AROUND HERE AND THEN RIGHT HERE OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.

AND THEN THIS IS THE ENLARGED VERSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO THIS IS WHERE THE CHANGES ARE OCCURRING.

THIS IS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN NORTH.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, NORTH ENLARGED.

SO THIS IS WHERE THOSE, UM, TREES ARE BEING RELOCATED.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO THE SOUTH AND THEN THE SOUTH ENLARGED.

AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN TO THE NORTH, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN TO THE SOUTH AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

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UM, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ALONG.

UH, WE HAVE, UM, M 2 2 3 0 2 8.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, IF I MAY.

I WANTED TO, UM, AS SHAYLA COMES UP, I HAD INTENDED TO COME UP HERE EARLIER, BUT I WANTED TO INTRODUCE OUR TWO NEW PLANNERS.

I THINK YOU HAVE MET THEM BEFORE.

UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS THEIR FIRST, THEIR DEBUT AT, UH, PRESENTING AND BRIEFING AT CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, THIS IS SHAYLA AND YOU JUST HEARD FROM TASIA.

SO I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO GIVE THEM A GRAND WELCOME.

AND, UM, GOVERNOR, WELCOME.

YOU GONNA JUST USE THIS ONE? I'LL, OKAY.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, OKAY.

THIS IS M 2 23 DASH 0 2 8.

AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING SITE.

PLAN FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1357 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONE R DASH 7.5 A.

ANCHORAGE IS 3.98.

COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE LOCATED AT EAST OF DOWNTOWN.

AS WE CAN SEE, LOCATION AND ZONING MAP, UH, LOCATED NORTHWEST OF BRUTON ROAD AND EAST OF MCCUTCHEN LANE.

AS SHOWN HERE IN THE AERIAL MAP, WE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY ALL AROUND EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, LEFT, WHICH IS A CHURCH.

THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE APPROVED SUP PLAN TO ADD A NEW PARKING AREA AND REMOVE THREE TREES AND ADD TWO MORE.

SO SHOWING RIGHT NOW IS THE EXISTING SUP SITE PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, COLORED IN RED.

IT'S THE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE AMENDED AND THE THREE TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA GET REMOVED.

PROPOSED SHOWING THE PARKING LOT ADDED AND THE TWO TREES THAT ARE BEING ADDED.

AGAIN, AERIAL MAP SHOWING WHERE THE PROPOSED PARKING'S GONNA BE LOCATED AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, MS. GOVIA, TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, I NOTICED THAT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY ADDING FRONT YARD WITHIN, OR PARKING WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH TYPICALLY ISN'T ALLOWED IN OUR SEVEN FIVE.

IS THAT A FUNCTION OF THE INSTITUTIONAL USE THAT'S ALLOWING THAT? I HAVE TALKED TO OUR TRAFFIC MAN, UM, TO OUR ARBORIST AND HE DOESN'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.

I'VE TALKED TO YOU THE OTHER MANNERS AND THERE HAS BEEN NO ISSUES.

UM, I GUESS I WAS ASKING MORE ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE ZONING, BUT I DID HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE LANDSCAPING.

IS SCREENING REQUIRED FOR THIS PARKING IF IT IS GRANTED BY THIS BODY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY? SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? SCREENING REQUIRED AT THE PARKING DUE TO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

UH, ONE SECOND.

I I DIDN'T SEE IT INDICATED ON THE PLAN AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

SO WOULD THAT BE EVALUATED WHEN THEY GO FOR THEIR PERMIT? YES.

SINCE I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU IN JUST A SECOND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UM, SO, UH, MS. HAMPTON, CAN WE MOVE ON AND THEN, OKAY.

I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE ANSWERS AFTER.

WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE ANSWER.

UM, , UM, I DO NOT, UH, COMMISSIONER REAGAN, JUST MENTION THAT TO ME.

UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S MOVE TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX.

I UNDERSTAND THAT ITEM IS GOING TO BE HELD.

UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BRIEF IT.

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SO, UM, WELL IN THE ENTRANCE OF TIME, LET'S KEEP MOVING.

I COULD COME BACK TO THAT ONE IF WE NEED TO.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, D 2 3 4 0 0 1.

UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I OKAY.

CAN WE BRIEF THAT ONE, PLEASE? YES.

THIS IS D 2 34 DASH 0 0 1 REQUEST AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 21 NORTH ZONE SUBDISTRICT B.

THE ACREAGE IS 3.102.

COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE LOCATION AND ZONING MAP LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF DOWNTOWN ON THE ZONING MAP, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MARYFIELD ROAD AND MONON CREEK PARKWAY.

SHOWN IN THE AREA HOME MAP, WE CAN SEE IT'S AROUND A LOT OF WAREHOUSES.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO BUILD A HOTEL.

IT'S 9,600 SQUARE FEET, FOUR STORIES, 85 GUEST ROOMS AND 85 PARKING SPACES.

SO SHOWN HERE IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

TAKE A FEW SECONDS, JUST STAY HERE SO IT SINKS IN AND YEAH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MR. HERBERT? YES.

UM, CURRENTLY I BELIEVE IN THIS PD, THIS, UH, SU, THERE'S A SUP FOR, UM, A MOTEL OR HOTEL WITH ROOMS LESS THAN 80.

UM, I BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING 85.

DOES THAT REMOVE THE NEED FOR THE SUP? YES.

IF THEY DO 80 OR LESS THAN THEY DO REQUIRE AN SUP.

IF IT'S ANY MORE THAN THAT, THEY DO NOT.

FURTHER QUESTIONS, IF NOT, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THE HEARING, YOU MIGHT CONFIRM WITH YOUR APPLICANT.

I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE 96,000 SQUARE FEET, NOT 9,600.

I'LL CONFIRM WITH HIM.

UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM, OH, COMMISSIONER AND CHAIR.

I'M SORRY, CHAIR.

CAN WE, CAN WE PULL THIS ITEM? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOP.

IT'S A DEVELOPMENT.

IT'LL BE HELD.

IT'LL, IT, IT'LL BE DEALT WITH INDIVIDUALLY.

UM, I NEED IT.

UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN ON ITEM SIX THAT WE'RE HOLDING, DO WE NEED TO BRIEF THAT? WE JUST, WE SKIPPED THE BRIEFING A MOMENT AGO WHILE YOU WERE TALKING TO MR. BALDWIN.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED IT IS, UM, IT'S ONLY BEING HELD BECAUSE OF THE FULL NOTIFICATION HAS NOT BEEN SENT OUT AS ONE, IF I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, STAFF SAID THAT THERE WAS ONE PERSON ON, UH, OWNER ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAD NOT BEEN, UM, PROPERLY NOTIFIED.

SO WE, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN HELD.

SO THEN WE'LL HAVE STAFF RECOMMEND A DATE TO WHICH IT WILL BE HELD.

UH, THEY SAID, UH, I WANNA SAY TWO WEEKS.

TWO WEEKS.

AND SOMEONE HELP ME WITH THE MATH ON THAT.

WHAT DATE? THAT WOULD BE THE 29TH.

MARCH 7TH.

SEVENTH MARCH 7TH.

MARCH 7TH.

OH, 'CAUSE WE'RE SKIPPING A WEEK.

THAT'S RIGHT.

FIVE THURSDAYS IS MONTH OLD.

ACTUALLY THREE WEEKS THE NEXT TURN TILL THE NEXT ONE.

SO, UH, WE WON'T BE BRIEFING NUMBER SIX.

WE JUST BRIEF NUMBER SEVEN, YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? UH, IS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN? ONE, ONE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM? WE DO HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA FOR MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PULL, WE SHOULD PULL THEM.

WELL, I THINK WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM ON MISCELLANEOUS.

I THOUGHT WE HAD THREE, BUT, OKAY.

I, I, YEAH.

WELL, SO, UM, SO WE DO NEED TO PULL COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S CASE THEN AND SIX? YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY FURTHER BRIEFING.

SO WE'RE GONNA SIX AND SEVEN.

GONNA REMOVE SIX AND SEVEN FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO, OKAY.

GOT IT.

THANKS FOR THE HELP.

UH, NO, SEVEN, IT'S JUST GONNA BE PULLED FROM CONSENT.

UM, ON ITEM EIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO WE NEED ANY FURTHER BRIEFING ON THAT?

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UM, I'M, I'M GONNA BE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, BUT I'LL, I'LL DO THAT AFTER THE MOTION.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO THAT, UM, THAT TAKES CARE OF THE, THE MINORS AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, ET CETERA.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING CASES.

I'M AWARE THAT WE'RE HOLDING ITEMS 12, 13 AND 16 IN DISTRICT FOUR.

UM, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO, DO YOU WANT ANY BRIEFING OF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD? NO NEED TO BRIEF THOSE TODAY.

THAT WOULD BE FINE TO DELAY THE DEBRIEFING.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T.

THAT WOULD BE OKAY TO DELAY THE OKAY.

WE DELAY THE BRIEFING.

UM, AND DO WE HAVE A DATE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HOLD? THOSE THREE CASES? UH, CAN WE DELAY TO THE, UH, I THINK THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH IS ON THE SEVENTH.

WHAT IS THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH? THE 21ST? WHAT? 21ST CAN WE DELAY TO THE 21ST? OKAY.

SO WE'LL, OKAY, SO WE'LL PLAN ON THE 21ST ON THOSE THREE.

UM, ARE WE BRIEF? WE'RE NOT, NO, WE'RE NOT.

HE SAYS WE DON'T NEED TO BRIEF THEM TODAY.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER CASES BEING HELD.

UM, SO I'LL JUST START AT THE TOP WITH, UH, CASE NUMBER NINE.

UM, THIS IS, UM, Z 2 23 DASH 116.

IT, THIS ONE I'M CERTAIN HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

ANY NEED TO BRIEF THIS FURTHER, MR. COMMISSIONER REAGAN? YES.

ALSO, UM, 18 IS BEING HELD BY STAFF, UH, UP UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 21ST.

18 YES.

HOLDING, HOLDING 18 TO RIGHT.

THAT WAS PRINTED IN THE DOCKET.

THERE IT IS.

IF I MAY, ON THE ITEM NINE? YEAH.

ITEM ITEM NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER 18.

HOLD TO THE 21ST.

WELL, OKAY.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE MISSING THE WRONG DAY.

UM, OKAY.

I DO NOT HEAR ANY REQUESTS TO BRIEF ITEM NINE AGAIN.

UH, MR. PEPE, I, Y SURE.

UH, BUT, BUT I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED, UM, A HOLD TO, THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY ITS DATE.

I FORWARDED THAT TO THE CHAIR OR TO, UM, AND, AND HE, I DIDN'T HEAR BACK IN REGARDS TO THAT, BUT THE APPLICANT DID RES REQUEST A HOLD, SO.

SO, UM, WE WILL HOLD, AND I'M GONNA RECRUIT A COMMISSIONER TO HANDLE THAT ONE HERE IN A MOMENT.

SO, HOLDING NUMBER NINE, UH, TO DATE UNCERTAIN.

IS THAT MARCH 7TH? 3 3 21.

DATE OF, THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY IT'S EIGHT, BUT I THINK THEY'D LIKE TO MOVE ON IT.

UM, AND SO NO FURTHER BRIEFING ON THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

MAY I GET A CLARIFICATION HERE? I, I THOUGHT WE HAD DECIDED TO, UM, DELAY CASES AT LEAST FOUR WEEKS.

IF, IF WE WERE STILL WAIT, UM, UM, DELAYING UNTIL THE NEXT HEARING WOULD MEAN THAT ALL OF THE UM, ANYTHING THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT WANTS TO TURN IN WOULD HAVE TO BE IN BY TOMORROW TO MAKE THE DOCKET FOR THE NEXT TIME.

SO, I MEAN, I, I THOUGHT WE HAD KIND OF EVOLVED A POLICY WHERE IF THERE WERE, WE WERE AWAITING CHANGES FROM APPLICANT'S, WE WOULD GIVE IT AT LEAST FOUR WEEKS.

AM I, MR. MULKEY, CAN YOU CLARIFY? HI GUYS.

JUST WANTED TO CRASH LAND AT THE HORSESHOE TODAY.

UM, YEAH, SO, UM, THANK YOU.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

UM, WE GENERALLY ADVISE TO HOLD THINGS TO MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER FOR THE DOCKET.

UM, UH, THE, UM, I DON'T FORESEE THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF, UH, THINGS STAFF NEEDS TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MEETING GETS HELD TO.

I THINK THIS IS MORE, UH, TO DO WITH THE APPLICANT REQUESTING THE HOLD SO THAT THEY CAN SPEAK WITH THE, UH, WITH CHAIR.

SHE DID THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THE POLICY.

UM, SO THAT LEADS US TO ITEM NUMBER 10.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FORSYTH WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD TODAY.

UM, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BRIEF THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT ONE'S BEEN BRIEFED.

THAT WOULD BE FINE.

GREAT.

AND GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF OUR COMMISSION.

UH, THIS IS ITEM C 2 23 1 63.

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EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY.

AND SEE MY SCREEN.

CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? YES.

UH, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH THEN I'LL CONTINUE.

THIS REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION TO RENEW A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT, WHICH DOES REQUIRE AN SUP FOR THE FUELING STATION PORTION OF THE USE.

AND THE AREA OF REQUEST IS JUST OVER HALF AN ACRE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CEDAR CREST BOULEVARD AND EAST EAST BOULEVARD.

ORIGINALLY THIS WAS APPROVED IN MAY OF 2021 BY CITY COUNCIL, WHICH INITIATED THE SUP FOR A A FIRST TWO YEAR PERIOD.

HOWEVER, THE USE HAD YET TO OPERATE AND IT DID EXPIRE IN MAY.

THEY DID APPLY FOR THE RENEWAL AS PERMITTED, UM, AHEAD OF THAT EXPIRATION IN DECEMBER OF 2022.

AND THIS WAS ALL WHILE THEY WERE PENDING CONSTRUCTION PERMITS AND THEIR FINAL CO AND STORE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.

OVERALL, IT DID DELAY THE ZONING CASE QUITE A BIT.

IT'S BEEN READY TO GO FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT, UM, THEY HAVE NOW CLEARED THOSE ITEMS. CONSTRUCTION'S COMPLETE.

THE USE IS AN OPERATION AND THEIR CONVENIENCE STORE REGISTRATION HAS BEEN APPROVED.

SO THIS SPECIFIC DISTRICT, UH, IT DOESN'T ALLOW THE FUELING, UM, STATION ELEMENT OF THE USE.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST THAT USE AT THE SITE.

THERE'S ALSO GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORES AND A DRY CLEANER OR LAUNDRY STORE USE LOCATED WITHIN THE FACILITY.

NOW HERE IS A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF CADILLAC HEIGHTS AND SOUTH OF THE CEDARS GENERALLY, AND AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE DEVELOPED NATURE OF THE SITE.

HOWEVER, THIS AERIAL MAP DOES NOT SHOW THE NEW FUELING CANOPY THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED AT THE SITE.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.

THERE'S AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER LOCATED TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST.

THERE'S STILL UNDEVELOPED LAND IN THE R FIVE A DISTRICT AND THEN DIRECTLY LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE SITE.

THERE IS A MULTI-FAMILY USE TO THE EAST AND MORE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE SOUTH, ALL WITHIN THE NSA DISTRICT AS WELL.

ACROSS THE STREET THOUGH, THERE IS A CR DISTRICT, THERE'S A VACANT GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, WHICH THEY DO HAVE THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS SITE, THAT LOCATION.

AND THEN THERE IS ADDITIONAL UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE NORTHWEST.

SO MY SITE PHOTOS ARE FROM THE INITIATION OF THE CASE IN LATE 2022, EARLY 2023.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT I'LL SHOW YOU PHOTOS OF THE SITE THAT INCLUDE WHILE IT WAS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN SOME MORE RECENTLY UPDATED PHOTOS OF THE SITE THAT SHOW THE FUEL FUELING CANOPY ALREADY INSTALLED AND OPERATIONAL.

THIS IS LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THE SITE FROM CEDAR CREST BOULEVARD, THE SIDE VIEW.

AND HERE THEY WERE INSTALLING THAT FUELING CANOPY, BUT IT WAS NOT OPERATIONAL.

THE LAUNDRY STORE AND THE MARKETS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE, THIS IS WHERE THEY WERE BEARING THE TANKS.

AND THEN AFTER CONSTRUCTION, THESE ARE NOW OPERATIONAL FILL PUMPS.

SURROUNDING LAND USES INCLUDE THIS UNDEVELOPED AREA LOCATED TO THE SOUTH AND THAT VACANT GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOR FOOD STORE WHERE THEY DO SHARE PARKING.

AND THEN TO THE NORTHWEST, THE AUTO SERVICE CENTER TO THE NORTHEAST UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE EAST.

THESE ARE THEIR PROPOSED SUP CONDITIONS.

THE ONLY CHANGE IS TO ALLOW THE USE FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.

AND THE EXISTING SUP SITE PLAN THEY DO CONFORM WITH AND THEY WOULD MAINTAIN.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO THOSE AMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU MS. MUNOZ.

I HAVE ASKED, UH, UH, THE STAFF TO, UH, CHECK TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, UH,

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CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN IN THIS AREA.

UH, AND, UM, IF, IF YOU ALLOW ME, JENNIFER M. MUNOZ DID, UH, DO A CHECK AND THERE WERE THREE, UH, INCIDENCES OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, BUT THEY WERE ALL THE WAY BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.

AND SINCE THEN, THERE'S BEEN NO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THIS LOCATION.

AND EVEN THOSE EVENTS, ONE WAS A, A MARIJUANA THING AND ANOTHER WAS SOMEONE DISPLAYED A HANDGUN AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THEN THE OTHER THIRD EVENT WAS A RECKLESS DRIVING EVENT.

SO, BUT THOSE WERE ALL TWO YEARS AGO.

SO IT DOES APPEAR TO BE A, A SAFE LOCATION AND NOT, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM WITH CRIME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.

LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE OKAY.

UH, YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE, UH, COMMENT, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT AND JUST WANTED TO BRING TO THE BODY'S ATTENTION THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CRIME STATS, THEY NEED TO BE RELATED AND KIND OF LIKE DIRECTLY RELATED WITH THE CELLS OF ALCOHOL.

SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, WE NEED TO STICK TO LENS USE, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS JUST IN THE FUTURE.

PLEASE MAKE IT INTO A LENS.

USE RATIONALE IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR IN THAT VEIN, UM, MS. MUNOZ, IS IT CORRECT THAT WE TYPICALLY RECEIVE, UM, POLICE REPORTS RELATED TO SUP REQUESTS, UM, TO HELP US UNDERSTAND AND ENSURE THAT THERE IS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT LAND USES AS WE'RE CHARGED TO DO IN CONSIDERING AN SUP? YES, WE CUSTOMARILY PROVIDE THEM FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF USES THAT REQUIRE SUVS.

UM, NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

WE'LL MOVE ON.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 11, UH, AS WE STATED EARLIER, WILL BE HELD TO 3 21.

UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I BELIEVE WE'VE PROBABLY BRIEFED THIS IN THE PAST.

HAVE WE WE HAVE NOT BRIEFED IT YET.

WE'VE NOT BRIEFED IT.

WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO BRIEF IT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BRIEF NO NEED TO BRIEF IT TODAY, NO.

UM, ITEMS 12 AND 13, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, UH, SAID WE DID NOT NEED TO BRIEF TODAY.

UM, ITEM 14, UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, THIS IS A BIG DAY FOR CLEARING SOME OF THESE D FOUR CASES TODAY.

UM, I THINK YOU'RE WE'RE, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE 14 BRIEFED 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TAKE ACTION ON IT.

RIGHT? OKAY.

SO, UM, WE HAVE A PLANNER HERE TO, UH, BRIEF NUMBER 14 Z 2 23 DASH 300.

IT WAS A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK, I THOUGHT THERE USED TO BE A PODIUM HERE.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS MARTIN BATE.

THIS IS CASE Z 2 2 3 DASH 300.

IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF HENDRICKS AVENUE EAST OF SOUTH DENLEY DRIVE.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 7,200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.

YOU SEE IT RIGHT HERE, UH, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP.

IT IS THE AERIAL SHOWING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.

A ZONING MAP THAT DESCRIBES THE AREA AS WE SEE IT IS IN THE R FIVE A DISTRICT SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH IS A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT THAT CONTAINS A VARIETY OF USES TO THE SORT OF NORTHEAST OF IT.

THERE IS A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE LOT IS UNDEVELOPED.

AND THERE'S ALSO GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET ON THE INTERSECTION OF MORRELL.

AND SOUTH DANLEY DRIVE, AS MENTIONED, IS CURRENTLY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND IT IS UNDEVELOPED.

THE LOT HAS FRONT TO JOHN HENDRICKS AVENUE THE APPLICANT.

I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE UPDATED THE LANGUAGE IN HERE, BUT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH A DUPLEX.

AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST THE TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT, SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS ON HENDRICKS AVENUE, LOOKING NORTH AT THE SITE, LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE, LOOKING TO THE WEST.

THE SITE IS THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE LOOKING SOUTHWEST AWAY FROM THE SITE SOUTH ACROSS FROM THE SITE AND SOUTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE.

THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BETWEEN THE R FIVE A DISTRICT AND THE TH THREE

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A DISTRICT.

AS WE SEE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCES HERE ARE GOING TO BE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE CODE LOT COVERAGE HEIGHT AND UNIT DENSITY.

UH, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED AS WE LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS THAT WHILE THERE ARE CERTAINLY DIFFERENCES HERE BETWEEN THE SETBACKS, THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT APPLY THAT ACTUALLY WILL MODIFY OR WOULD MODIFY THE SETBACKS ON ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS DISTRICT.

THE FIRST IS BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENTS.

THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT IS THAT ON ANY GIVEN BLOCK FACE OF DEVELOPMENT, THE MOST RESTRICTIVE STANDARD APPLIES IN THIS CASE, R FIVE A HAS A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.

AND SO WHILE GENERALLY TH THREE EIGHT DOES NOT HAVE A FRONT SETBACK MINIMUM, IT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.

ANOTHER PROVISION THAT COMES UP IN THE CODE IS THE SIDE SETBACKS FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ABUT A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SO IN THIS CASE, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A DUPLEX ON THIS LOT, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE SIDE SETBACKS OF THE R FIVE A DISTRICT WOULD APPLY TO THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ABUT THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SO IT WOULD BE A 10 FOOT SIDE SETBACK, UH, RATHER THAN THE FIVE FOOT DUPLEX SIDE SETBACK THAT WE CURRENTLY SEE HERE.

UH, BEYOND THAT, THERE IS A SLIGHTLY HIGHER ALLOWANCE FOR HEIGHT, UH, 36 FEET VERSUS 30 FEET, AND THE LOCK COVERAGE IS, UH, 60% RATHER THAN 45% FOR RESIDENTIAL.

BUT AGAIN, IT IS WORTH KEEPING IN MIND THAT THESE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THEY TEND TO BE THE MOST ONEROUS OF ALL THESE OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

AND SO IN PRACTICE, YOUR LOT COVERAGE WOULD LIKELY NOT REACH 60%.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, MR. FORAY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE PLANNER, BUT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, UH, DID THE UH, UH, PROPERTY OWNER CONSIDER, UH, BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THIS PROPERTY SINCE IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR R FIVE? AND WHY, WHY NOT? I SUPPOSE YOU CAN ASK THAT QUESTION AT THE HEARING OF THE APPLICANT.

IS THAT TODAY OR, OKAY.

AND THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE AT THE HEARING TODAY.

AND, AND THEN QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING AS WELL.

COULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE ASKED LATER IN THE HEARING? YES.

UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS WERE NOT BROUGHT UP? NO.

UM, THANK YOU.

UM, MR. BATE, UH, AS STAFF EVALUATED THIS REQUEST, I SEE THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, OF APPROVAL.

UM, WAS THERE CONSIDERATION OF THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS? IT APPEARS TO BE, YOU KNOW, ONE LOT IN A LARGER AREA.

COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW STAFF EVALUATED THAT? I KNOW YOU COVERED IT SOMEWHAT IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT IS THERE ANY MORE CONTEXT THERE? CERTAINLY, I'M HAPPY TO ELABORATE ON THAT.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED IN THE ANALYSIS OF THIS WAS HOW IT WOULD FIT INTO THE EXISTING FABRIC OVERALL.

CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE JARRING TO HAVE A VERY LARGE, LET'S SAY A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY AREA OVERALL.

BUT GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WOULD BE PLACED ON THIS BY THE VARIOUS SETBACK REQUIREMENTS DIMENSIONALLY, WHATEVER WOULD BE BUILT THERE WOULD BE COMPATIBLE, I THINK WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

ADDITIONALLY, THE PROXIMITY TO THE CR DISTRICT LENDS, UH, SUPPORT TO HAVING THIS USE THERE BECAUSE, OR RATHER THE ZONING DISTRICT THERE, UH, BECAUSE IT DOES SORT OF PROMOTE WALKABILITY AND TRANSITIONS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO A COMMERCIAL AREA THAT IS DIRECTLY NORTH TO IT.

FINALLY, IT IS WITHIN, UH, I BELIEVE A HALF MILE OF PROXIMITY, ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT CLOSER TO A DARK LIGHT RAIL STATION.

AND ONE OF THE, UH, INITIATIVES I BELIEVE IN OUR COMP PLAN IS FOR ALLOWING SOME MORE OF THIS SORT OF MISSING MIDDLE OR, UH, SLIGHTLY MORE DENSE HOUSING WITHIN PROXIMITY TO THE DART WHITE RAIL.

AND ONE FOLLOW UP IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL, UM, SHARED WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, ON I GUESS A CONCEPT ELEVATION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THIS SITE THAT WOULDN'T BE BINDING IF THIS WOULD BE APPROVED.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

GENERAL ZONING CHANGES, ALL THAT THEY ACCOMPLISH IS THE CHANGE OF THE ZONING OF THE BASE DISTRICT.

IT DOES NOT BIND US TO ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ANY SORT OF SITE PLAN, ANY SORT OF RENDERING.

UH, IN SPEAKING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE, HE'S MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THEIR ARCHITECTS MIGHT CONSIDER, AND HE DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED AS WELL TO SHARE IT THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, BUT WHATEVER IS ACTION IS TAKEN ON A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE DOES NOT CREATE ANY SORT OF BINDING REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF LAYOUT OR APPEARANCE.

AND WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT SIDE, AND I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT THIS AS WELL, UM, IN THE CONSIDERATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD FURTHER ENSURE COMPATIBILITY,

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I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES.

UM, SORRY.

TRY TO BE LEGIBLE HERE OR AUDIBLE.

UM, THIS CASE, UM, IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF, UH, OF SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES IN COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN WHEN IT CAME TO THE GENERAL QUESTION OF ADDING DENSITY TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE, UM, I'LL ASK THIS A QUESTION.

WHAT ACTUALLY EXISTS HERE IN A STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGE TO TH THREE TO, UM, GIVE SOME CONTEXT SENSITIVITY? 'CAUSE ALL I SEE IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK WITH TH THREE, YOU'VE GOT 36 FEET, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A DUPLEX AND THEY'VE SENT US A PICTURE OF A DUPLEX, UM, IT COULD EASILY BE A 36 FOOT TALL FLAT ROOF SINGLE TOWN HOME.

AND WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE ADDITION OF THAT SORT OF STRUCTURE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE CONTEXT OF THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD RUN? I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD STILL BE SENSITIVE TO THE CONTEXT OVERALL.

IT WOULD BE CERTAINLY A DEVIATION FROM THE EXISTING LAYOUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, BUT ULTIMATELY A SIX FOOT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, UH, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE THAT MUCH OF A BIG IMPOSITION ON THE REST OF THE SURROUNDING HOUSES.

WELL, THE, THE CONCERN THAT HAS COME UP IN, UM, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SAY, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS AND ALL, WHEN YOU HAVE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, IS THAT, UM, JUST AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT OR ASK IT AS A QUESTION, DO YOU NOT SEE THAT THE UM, ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ENABLES A TYPE OF STRUCTURE AND A TYPE OF ROOF THAT IS NOT FOUND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT ALLOWS A MUCH TALLER STRUCTURE WITH A FLAT ROOF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A BLOCKIER STRUCTURE AND IS NOT CONTEXT SENSITIVE IN THAT WAY AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF, UH, ROOFS THAT ARE PREVALENT AT THE MOMENT.

IT WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD BE A DEVIATION FROM THAT, YES.

I JUST WANTED TO, AND THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION.

WHAT CAN BE A LOT, WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED BY R RIGHT NOW IS A FLAT ROOF STRUCTURE THAT WOULD MAXIMIZE AN R FIVE, UH, STANDARDS TOO.

SO THE ROOF IS NOT CODIFIED ANYWHERE IN THE CODE TO OUR, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY, NOT NECESSARILY SATISFACTION.

SO I HEAR YOU.

IT'S JUST THAT THE, THE CODE RIGHT NOW DOESN'T ALLOW ANY TYPE OF LIKE CONTACT SENSITIVITY.

IT CAN BE BY RIGHT.

A FLAT ROOF, BIG BOX HOUSE GRANTED, YES, BUT THIS COULD BE A TALLER BIG BATH.

TALLER, YES.

THIS CAN BE.

SO YEAH, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR CAN HAVE A 30 FOOT, UH, BOX.

THIS NEIGHBOR CAN HAVE A 36 FOOT BOX.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BLAIR HAD A QUESTION.

UM, MR. BAIT, BECAUSE THIS IS A GENERAL ZONING CASE AND IT'S A TH THREE THAT'S THE MOST, ISN'T THAT THE MOST DENSE TOWNHOUSE ZONING POSSIBLE? IT IS THE DENSEST ZONING, UH, POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF WHAT, UH, IS ALLOWED IN THE BASE OF 12, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT COULD ACTUALLY BE BUILT ON THERE, UH, YOU'RE ULTIMATELY, I THINK, RESTRICTED BY THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, AND SO THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO AT MOST BUILD A DUPLEX.

SO CAN I ASK WHY NOT JUST ZONE IT TO DUPLEX INSTEAD OF TH THREE? CERTAINLY I DID LOOK AT THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT ACTUALLY WHEN I FIRST REVIEWED THE CASE.

UH, THE BIGGEST REASON TO NOT PUT IN A DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT IS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CHANGE THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT FOR THAT BLOCK FACE.

THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT HAS A 25 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.

AND SO IN THE FUTURE FOR DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THAT BLOCK FACE, EVEN IF YOU WERE TO REDEVELOP WITH A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A LOT, IT WOULD NEED TO PUSH IT BACK 25 FEET.

SO BASICALLY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR TH THREE IS JUST FOR BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY AND SETBACKS FROM A, FROM WHAT IS ALREADY ON ON THE GROUND? CORRECT.

THEN LET ME CHANGE THE, THE TOPIC TO, TO ACCESS AND PARKING IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOW ARE THE REST OF THE LOTS PARKED? UH, IT APPEARS THAT MOST OF THE LOTS THERE AND WE CAN PULL UP SOME OF THE PHOTOS TEND TO HAVE FRONT PARKING.

UM, WE SEE HERE, FOR INSTANCE, A DRIVEWAY ON THIS HOUSE NEARBY, ANOTHER FRONT DRIVEWAY THERE.

UH, IN THIS CASE THE DUPLEX USE DOES REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPOTS PER, UH, DWELLING UNIT.

SO YOU'D HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR PARKING SPOTS.

UH, THEY COULD BE DEVELOPED, EITHER, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FRONT OR THE BACK, UH, WITH THE FRONT.

THEY DO NEED TO ABIDE BY THAT FRONT YARD SETBACK

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REQUIREMENT.

UM, IF THEY WERE TO DEVELOP IN THE BACK, THERE IS AN ALLEYWAY IN THE BACK.

IT IS UNIMPROVED, UH, FROM WHAT I SAW AND FROM THE AERIAL MAPS.

AND SO ENGINEERING STANDARDS WOULD REQUIRE IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED ALLEYWAY ACCESS, THEY WOULD NEED TO ALSO IMPROVE THE ALLEYWAY AT LEAST UP TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE NEAREST ADJACENT PUBLIC ROAD.

SO IF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPER WANTED OR DEVELOPMENT WANTED TO ACCESS REAR PARKING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CON WELL THEY'D HAVE TO IMPROVE THE WHOLE ENTIRE ALLEYWAY IN ORDER TO USE THE AC IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE A BACK PARKING, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY WOULD NEED TO IMPROVE IT FROM THE NEAREST PUBLIC ROAD TO THEIR, UH, ALLEYWAY FRONTAGE.

SO IT WOULD GO, I THINK IN THIS CASE PROBABLY FROM SOUTH DELEY TO AT LEAST THE EDGE OF THEIR LOT.

WELL CONCEIVABLE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY CONCEIVABLE, BUT SO IF YOU, THE, THE DEPTH OR SAY THE WIDTH OF THIS PARTICULAR R FIVE, WOULD IT ALLOW PARKING BASED ON TODAY'S REQUIREMENTS ON, UM, THE STREET IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ON, UH, PARKING ON THE, YOU KNOW, NO DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT.

IF THEY COULD, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING IF THEY COULD USE JUST ON STREET PARKING AND NOT PROVIDE OFF STREET? CORRECT.

SO IF THEY WERE USING ALL OFF ON STREET PARKING AND NO PAR OFF STREET PARKING, COULD THEY HA COULD THEY HANDLE OR COULD THEY, THEY, UM, ADHERE TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING TODAY? OKAY, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

IT, THEY, THEY WOULD NOT BE ADHERING TO THE REQUIREMENTS IF THEY HAD ONLY OFF ON STREETE PARKING.

THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE OFF-STREET PARKING.

UM, SO AS IT IS TODAY, IT'S IF YOU JUST PLOP DOWN A HOUSE THERE BUT NO PARKING, IT WOULD NOT BE FOLLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO BASED ON THAT, IN THE FACT THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, BASED ON THE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY SENT, ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T USE IT, BUT BASED ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT, THAT, THAT WAS SENT IN TO US TO REVIEW AS TO WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, THAT ELEVATION WOULD NOT MEET CODE, CORRECT? UH, I CAN'T COMMENT ON THE ELEVATION THAT WAS SENT.

WAS IT THE, THE 3D RENDERING? IT, IT WAS A DUPLEX NO, NO, NO, NO ACCESS, NO, NO.

O OFF STREET PARKING, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

UH, JUST BASED ON THE ONE RENDERING THAT I SAW, I COULDN'T MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT.

IT DOESN'T CONTAIN ANY SORT OF DIMENSIONAL OF HOW THE OVERALL SITE WOULD BE.

UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, CONSIDER THAT A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY MIGHT LAY IT ALL OUT DIMENSIONALLY.

UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? UM, MR. BATE, I'LL JUST CONCLUDE WITH A QUESTION THAT REQUIRES NO ANSWER.

THIS RHETORICAL, WOULDN'T IT BE INTERESTING IF WE AMENDED OUR DUPLEX CODE TO HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS AND HEIGHT AS SINGLE FAMILY? IT WOULD BE QUITE INTERESTING.

WOULDN'T THAT BE INTERESTING? UM, ITEM ITEM 15, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

UH, ANY ADDITIONAL BRIEFING ON THAT CASE? OKAY, UH, WE'RE HOLDING NUMBER 16, UM, TILL 3 21.

NUMBER 17.

ANY ADDITIONAL BRIEFING ON IT? YES.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP TO THE NORTH.

ADDITIONAL BRIEFING ON NUMBER 17.

UM, IS THAT MS. BRIDGES? UH, THIS IS CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 42.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND R 16 A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF LBJ FREEWAY BETWEEN PRESTON ROAD AND COPEN HILL ROAD.

THIS IS IT ON THE LOCATION MAP OUTLINED IN BLUE IS THE AREA OF REQUEST.

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YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE UNDEVELOPED IN A HOTEL AND TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND A DEPRESSED FREEWAY.

THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED R 16 A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE.

THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 2002 AND IS 5,632 SQUARE FEET.

AND THE LOT ONLY HAS FRONTAGE ON LBJ FREEWAY AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE THIS STRUCTURE, UM, FOR AN OFFICE.

AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST A MIXED USE DISTRICT.

THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BE PHOTOS OF THE AREAS OF REQUEST.

THIS IS SURROUNDING USE, WHICH IS THE FREEWAY, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE AREA OF REQUEST.

RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT IS A RES IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO THEY HAVE RETAIL AND HOTEL USES AND THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

COMMISSIONER'S.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER HALL, WHAT, WHAT IS THE HOUSE CURRENTLY USED FOR? IS IT A RESIDENCE? AS OF WHAT I'VE HEARD, IT'S A RESIDENCE, BUT THEY DO NOT CON PLAN TO CONTINUE USING IT AS A RESIDENCE.

THEY DON'T PLAN TO CONTINUE? NO.

WHAT ARE THEIR PLANS, DO YOU KNOW? UM, LAST I TALKED TO THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE WANTING TO USE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE AS AN OFFICE.

IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, YOU'LL SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF WHITE TRUCKS OUT THERE AND IT SAYS MAYBE THIS IS A YEAR OLDER SO THAT, THAT BELONGS TO A, UH, TORQUE GAUZE EXPRESS, WHICH I THINK IS SORT OF A HOT, WHAT WE CALL A HOT SHOT SERVICE.

IT'S FULL, IT'S GOT A LOT OF WHITE TRUCKS AND VEHICLES OUT FRONT.

UH, SO LOOK, AND YOU CAN GO TO THAT WEBSITE AND IT GIVES THAT ADDRESS.

SO I'M WONDER, I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS REALLY A, IS THERE A BUSINESS GOING ON HERE? I MEAN, IT'S NOT ZONED FOR, IT'S NOT ZONED FOR BUSINESS.

WELL THAT ISN'T A QUESTION THAT I CAN 100% ANSWER BECAUSE I LOOKED IN POSSE AND I DID NOT SEE ANY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES IN IT FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

ALSO, WHEN I DID MY SITE VISIT, I ONLY SAW ONE VEHICLE AND THAT WAS THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER'S VEHICLE.

SO I THINK THAT QUESTION CAN BE BEST ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT.

HMM, OKAY.

AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE HOMES TO THE EAST ARE ALL USED FOR BUSINESSES AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT ZONED FOR THAT.

SO YEAH.

, .

THERE ISN'T A WAY THAT I CAN VERIFY THAT, BUT ALRIGHT, THANKS.

I'LL, YOU WELCOME.

IF I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ASK LATER.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

HI MS. BRIDGES, HOW ARE YOU? I'M FINE, HOW ARE YOU? SO, UM, MY APOLOGIES.

UM, DID YOU SAY THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT A PORTION OF IT WILL BE USED FOR AN OFFICE AND YOUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT? LAST? I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AND I SPOKE WITH THE, UH, WELL THE REPRESENTATIVE, I SPOKE WITH HER UH, ONE DAY LAST WEEK.

THEY'RE GONNA USE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE NOW AS AN OFFICE.

SO I SPOKE WITH HER AFTER THIS STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN.

WHEN YOU, WHEN IT WAS PORTION, DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH HER ABOUT POTENTIALLY THE ACCESSORY USE FOR HOME OCCUPATION FOR BUSINESSES? WELL, YES, WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THAT.

AND SHE ALSO SPOKE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE HER, THE INTENT HAS CHANGED, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY THE ACCESSORY USE WASN'T AN OPTION.

DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH HER ABOUT PUTTING SOME RESTRICTIONS AROUND MU WHICH IS RIGHT NOW JUST A VERY BROAD ZONING CATEGORY NOW? I DID NOT SPEAK WITH HER ABOUT RESTRICTIONS, NO.

THEY COULD IF THE ZONING IS CHANGED.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, UM, THE, IN YOUR PICTURES THERE IS A HOUSE DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S PART OF.

CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY ZONE FOR THAT HOUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY WOULD WORK? WELL IF THEY DO HAVE TO MEET THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, WHICH MEANS IT CAN'T BE NO TALLER THAN 26 FEET.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THIS, JUST BROAD MU ONE, IT'S JUST THE BASE ZONING CATEGORY THAT SOMEONE COULD DESTROY THE STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE AND BUILD A STRUCTURE UP TO 26 FEET, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A HOUSE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR,

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UM, COULD YOU PUT BACK UP THE PICTURE THAT SHOWED, SHOWED, JUST TO JUMP IN ON THAT, UH, QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY? UM, YEAH.

SO RPS WOULD APPLY AS GIANNA SAID, UM, AND IF THE PROPERTY WERE REZONED TO COMMERCIAL, UM, AND MU ONE, THE REAR SETBACK, UH, ALONG THIS LOT ADJACENT TO THE LOT TO THE NORTH, UH, WOULD BE 20 FEET.

SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE STRUCTURES WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, ALSO THE EASTERN SIDE SETBACK ADJACENT TO THE OTHER LOT THAT FACES ONTO THE FRONTAGE ROAD.

UM, A 20 FOOT SETBACK WOULD NOW BE TRIGGERED THERE AS WELL.

UM, SO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, IF THE PROPERTY WERE REZONED, WOULD BE, UH, NON-CONFORMING.

UM, BUT IF IT WERE EVER TO BE, UH, DEMOLISHED AND NEW STRUCTURES WERE TO BE BUILT ON THE LOT, UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO ADHERE TO THE 20 FOOT, UH, SIDE SETBACK WITH THAT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

UH, AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO SOME RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REQUIREMENTS, UH, FROM ARTICLE 10, SO FOR A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE.

BUT ISN'T IT CORRECT THAT THE HOUSE TO THE EAST, THERE'S A SEPARATION OF A STREET, SO THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SETBACK? WELL, THERE'S A LOT IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, UM, AND THEN YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION OF LBJ AND THE RESIDENTIAL STREET.

SO YEAH, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T GO BEYOND THERE.

UM, BUT THE OTHER LOT ALONG THIS BLOCK FACE THAT FRONTS ONTO LBJ, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONE RESIDENTIAL, SO IT WOULD TRIGGER THAT ADJACENCY REQUIREMENT.

SO JUST TO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID, SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THIS ZONING CHANGE IS APPROVED, THEN THE STRUCTURE THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THIS SITE IS NON-CONFORMING? RIGHT.

SO IT COULD, IT COULD CONTINUE TO BE USED IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION.

UM, AND I, I CAN'T QUOTE OUR NON-CONFORMING LANGUAGE FROM OUR CODE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT ESSENTIALLY IF THAT STRUCTURE WERE TO BE DEMOLISHED AT SOME POINT, ANY NEW STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY COULD NOT BE WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE OR THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.

SO MS. BRIDGES, COULD YOU PUT UP THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST PLEASE? WEST, SORRY.

OH, THERE'S ANOTHER, OKAY.

THIS IS REALLY FAINT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE YOU CAN SEE THE EASEMENT LINE IN THIS ONE.

IS THAT CORRECT? ACTUALLY PUT UP THE OTHER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PUT UP THE ONE THAT'S THE, THAT SHOWS GRASS.

SO LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST, THERE APPEARS TO BE A GREEN STRIP AND THEN THERE'S A, UH, DRIVEWAY AND THEN A LARGER GREEN AREA.

CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT GREEN STRIP THAT IS DIRECTLY TO THE, THE WEST AND WHAT, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED SINCE THE LAST BRIEFING? YES, THAT IS AN EASEMENT, UM, THAT WAS DEDICATED IN THE SIXTIES AND THEN, UM, IN THE EIGHTIES IT WAS AMENDED, UM, THE NORTHERN 325 FEET OF IT.

CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE THE PURPOSE OF THE EASEMENT? WELL, THE EASEMENT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WAS A BUFFER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED AS A BUFFER BETWEEN WHAT? BETWEEN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A, I THINK A DEED RESTRICTION IS THE LEGAL TERM, BUT DANIEL CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I'M CALLING IT AN EASEMENT, BUT DEED RESTRICTION THAT WAS PUT INTO THE RECORDS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY TO NOT LET DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN ON THIS LAND.

IS THAT CORRECT? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.

AND THE 325 THAT WAS ALTERED, UM, IN MORE RECENTLY IN THE EIGHTIES, DID THAT HAVE TO DO WITH SOME KIND OF TREES AND SOME LANDSCAPING? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.

SO SINCE THE SIXTIES WHEN THE CORNER WAS DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL, UM, IT HAS REMAINED A BUFFER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE TO THE WEST AND THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE TO THE EAST.

CORRECT.

AND IF THIS ZONING CHANGE GOES THROUGH, IT WILL ESSENTIALLY UPEND THAT HISTORICAL ARRANGEMENT? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT I'LL DEFER THAT, UH, TO RYAN.

YEAH, SO, UH, TO SAY THAT IT WOULD AMEND THE ZONING ARRANGEMENT IS I SAID UPEND.

UPEND.

OH, WELL THAT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE.

SO WE'RE NOT GONNA RESPOND TO THAT.

UM, LET ME ASK MY QUESTION DIFFERENTLY THEN.

SO IF WE PERMIT THIS ZONING CHANGE TO GO THROUGH, IT WOULD PERMIT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO BE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUFFER THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY INTENDED TO SEPARATE COMMERCIAL FROM RESIDENTIAL?

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COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOU HAD A QUESTION? JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

I THINK I HEARD IT SAID THAT, UM, THE HEIGHT WAS LIMITED TO 26 FEET.

IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT WITH RPS, IT'S THE HEIGHT ABOVE 26 FEET IS SUBJECT TO RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE? YES, MA'AM.

JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HALL WOULD MIXED USE ONE ALLOW YOU TO BUILD ABOVE 26 FEET? I UNDERSTAND THE RRP S THING, BUT IN GENERAL, WOULD MIXED MIXED USE ALLOW YOU TO BUILD ABOVE 26 FEET? YES.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE BEHIND THERE BROUGHT THAT, THAT ISSUE UP IN THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS.

UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

I'M SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

UM, THANK YOU MS. BLUE.

UM, WE'RE GONNA HOLD NUMBER 18.

DO WE NEED ANY BRIEFING ON THAT TODAY? NO, THEY'RE NOT EVEN READY.

NOT EVEN READY FOR A BRIEFING.

NO.

OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.

IT'S BEEN HELD ON ADVISE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT READY.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, RATHER THAN PRESUME ANYMORE ON YOUR LUNCH, UH, WHY DON'T WE BREAK? UH, WE CAN, WE CAN BRIEF NUMBER 19 WHEN WE RETURN FROM LUNCH.

UH, LET'S TRY TO BE BACK HERE AT 1240.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA START WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

PRESENT DISTRICT THREE.

PRESENT DISTRICT FOUR.

PRESENT DISTRICT FIVE.

DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15.

I'M HERE.

YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR.

UH, THANK YOU MS. BESINA.

IT'S 12:48 PM THIS IS THE, UM, UH, DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION HEARING FOR FEBRUARY THE 15TH.

UH, WELCOME TO ALL WHO HAVE JOINED US.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

UM, I WOULD, UH, ASK YOU AS YOU, UH, IF YOU PLAN TO MAKE REMARKS TODAY TO PLEASE COME DOWN AND PICK UP A YELLOW CARD OFF THE TABLE HERE AT THE FRONT OF THE ROOM AND, UH, RECORD YOUR, YOUR ATTENDANCE.

UH, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, DIVE INTO THE, UM, INTO THE AGENDA HERE.

AND, UH, WE HAD ONE ITEM REMAINING TO BE BRIEFED, UM, FROM THIS MORNING.

BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IF WE COULD JUST BRIEF THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT LATER ON THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, Y YES, THAT WOULD, YES.

THE Y YES.

OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT.

SO WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH, UM, UH, THE MINOR AMENDMENTS ON THE, THE CONSENT DOCKET.

THIS WOULD BE, UM, M 2 23, 27, M 2, 23 28.

UM, WE HAVE STAFF HERE TO READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD.

YEAH, WE'RE GONNA READ FOUR AND FIVE INTO THE RECORD.

UH, THE CONSENT, THE, THE MISCELLANEOUS CONSENT ITEMS NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE.

UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS M 2 23 DASH 0 2 7 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 95 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COT ROAD AND FRANKFURT ROAD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE M 2 23 DASH 28 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING SITE.

PLAN FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 3 5 7 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BRUTON ROAD AND MCCUTCHEN LANE.

BEING NUMBER FOUR OR NUMBER FIVE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THESE TWO CASES TOGETHER IN ONE VOTE.

HOWEVER, IS IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS AS

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UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER FOUR OR NUMBER FIVE? I HAD ONE FOLLOW MR. COMMISSIONER HATCH.

MR. CHAIR.

ON M 2 2 3 0 2 8, WERE YOU ABLE TO, UM, RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS FROM THE BRIEFING? YEAH, SO FOR THE FIRST ONE WAS OVER THE SCREENING, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT WHENEVER THEY GET TO PERMITTING, THEY WILL DIRECT THAT ONE.

SO DON'T WORRY THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

FOR THE SECOND ONE BEING THEY ARE NOT IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.

THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 25.

THEY ARE FURTHER FROM THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATIONS.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? SCENE NONE.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAWK, DO YOU HAVE A, A MOTION FOR US IN THESE TWO CASES PLEASE? I DO.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT DOCKET AS READ INTO THE RECORD.

THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK FOR YOUR MOTION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ITEMS PASS.

UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX.

ITEM NUMBER SIX IS M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3.

AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 66 ON THE WEST LINE OF LA PRADA DRIVE SOUTH OF BLYTHE DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO THREE SEVEN CPC.

IS ANYONE HERE? IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON, UH, LIKE TO SPEAK TO US ON NUMBER SIX? OKAY.

SEEING ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS.

UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF M 2 23 33? I MOVE TO, TO HOLD, HOLD THIS, KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HUH? KEEP THIS CURRENT, KEEP THE HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS CASE UP UNDER ADVISE UNTIL MARCH 7TH, 2024.

OKAY, AND I HAVE A SECOND.

I DO THANK COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND IN ITEM NUMBER SIX M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3.

UM, ONTO NUMBER SEVEN.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 21 NORTH ZONE SUBDISTRICT B ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY AND MARYFIELD ROAD STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? YES, YOU CAN.

YOU PLEASE.

UH, WE NEED YOU TO TURN ON THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.

AND THEN, UH, TELL US YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

ROGER SOTELLO REPRESENTING IC ICONN DEVELOPMENT.

UH, 1424 AUTUMN CREST DRIVE IN ARLINGTON, TEXAS.

DID YOU HAVE A, UH, ANY STATEMENT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS HERE IN SUPPORT? AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, MR. DARRELL HALBERT HAD SOME OR HERBERT, I'M SORRY, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS OR SOME COMMENTS THIS MORNING.

SO I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ANY THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF CAN DO THAT.

UH, WELL, LET'S QUESTION NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

NO, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UM, TO THE PEOPLE OUR POWER AS IN, IN IMPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'LL JUMP IN AND DO THAT.

OH, THANK YOU.

DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE MINISTERIAL, WHICH MEANS THAT IF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMPLIES WITH THE TEXT OF THE T PD, CPC HAS NO DISCRETION, MUST APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THIS COMES FROM CHAPTER 51 A AND THERE ARE VARIOUS, UM, COURT OF APPEALS CASES DESCRIBING APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS AS MINISTERIAL.

FOR, UM, BUILD OUTS KIND OF LIKE THESE FOR 80 ROOMS OR LESS.

UM, IN THIS PD, THIS THERE'S A SUP

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IN THIS CASE THEY'RE ABOVE 80 ROOMS, SO THEY WILL NOT NEED AN SUP, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

WHICH MEANS THEY WON'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS OTHER, UH, DETAILS OF THIS CASE, CORRECT? THIS IS ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? YEAH.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.

I MOVE TO, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR A SECOND.

SHOULD I READ THE CASE NUMBER? UM, IN THE CASE NUMBER OF D 3 4 0 0 1 SASI MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

OKAY, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

OKAY, UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT M 2 3 4 0 0 3.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS M 2 3 4 DASH 0 0 3.

AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTIES ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 10 53, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SKILLMAN STREET AND EAST LOVER'S LANE.

DO WE HAVE, UH, ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MARCUS WOOD.

I RESIDE AT 53 35 RIDGELAND DRIVE IN DALLAS.

I LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PLAYGROUND AT THIS CHURCH.

IT'S BEEN MY HOME SINCE 1968 AND I'VE ENJOYED THE CHILDREN THERE ALL THOSE YEARS.

I SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I URGE YOU TO TAKE ACTION TODAY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

THE COMPLAINTS HAVE TO DO WITH NOISE AND I CONSIDER THE CHILDREN'S PLAN TO BE JOYFUL.

AND I ALSO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR CODE COMPLIANCE.

IF THERE ARE CODE ISSUES, LET THEM TAKE CARE OF IT.

THAT'S NOT YOUR ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY, IN MY OPINION.

THANK YOU MR. WOOD.

OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

MY NAME IS KARA CARTER.

I HAVE TWO CHILDREN AT ZION.

WE LOVE ZION FOR MANY, MANY REASONS.

WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS BASKETBALL COURT BEING COMPLETED.

OUTDOOR RESOURCE TIME IS ESSENTIAL FOR CHILDREN'S GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN, OF GETTING THEM OUT OF THE PARKING LOT.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, MY NAME IS CHARLES GREEN.

I LIVE AT 95 41 WINDY HILL ROAD IN DALLAS.

I'M A GRANDPARENT OF THREE KIDS AT ZION.

I SUPPORT THE SPORT COURT.

MOVING THE COURT OUT OF THE PARKING LOT IS SIMPLY SAFER AND THAT OUGHT TO BE IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE.

DALLAS HAS HUNDREDS OF ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS, AND MOST ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THE SCHOOLS ARE MUCH BIGGER WITH MANY MORE KIDS THAN ZION.

ZION KIDS DON'T MAKE MORE NOISE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

SCHOOL CHILDREN PLAYING.

THESE ARE CITY NOISES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THERE ARE BASKETBALL GOALS AND DRIVEWAYS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HOUSES.

THERE'S BASKETBALL GOALS IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES IF THEY'RE LUCKY.

UM, AND THEY'RE MUCH CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTS THAN OUR, THAN ZION IS TO THE RESIDENTS AROUND, UH, AROUND US, INCLUDING MR. SARNO, UM, UNDER THE RULES THAT WE'RE CALLED UPON TO FOLLOW THE AMENDMENT SHOULD BE APPROVED.

USAGE OF A SPORT COURT IS NOT OF A DIFFERENT CHARACTER.

IT'S STILL CHILDREN PLAYING, WHETHER IT'S TAG CHASE, FLAG FOOTBALL OR THE LIKE THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR DECADES IN THE SAME AREA, RIGHT? THE SAME AREA WHERE THAT SPORT COURT IS.

IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.

AND THAT'S WHY THE CITY STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

AND I URGE YOU TO PLEASE NOT MAKE A NEW RULE THAT THE NOISE MADE BY SCHOOL CHILDREN PLAYING IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE.

A RULE LIKE THAT CANNOT APPLY TO JUST DALLAS.

I MEAN, JUST TO, TO JUST TO TO ZION.

IT'D HAVE TO APPLY TO EVERYBODY, TO ALL SCHOOLS.

AND NOBODY WANTS THAT.

THE CITY SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST DALLAS.

PLEASE FOLLOW THE RULES AND I ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW THOSE RULES AND APPROVE THE EXISTING APPLICATION.

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UM, I HAVE ONE STUDENT IN FIRST GRADE.

I HAVE ANOTHER STARTING IN THE FALL.

AND, UH, THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 70 YEARS.

UM, SEVEN DECADES OF PLAY.

THERE'S A SOCCER FIELD, A GARDEN, A PLAYGROUND, LOTS OF ACTIVITIES, CARNIVALS, ALL OF THAT THAT HAPPEN IN THIS PLACE.

AND THE SPORT COURT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GREAT FOR THE CHILDREN AS SOON AS WE START MAKING CHILDREN INTO, UM, SENSE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FUTURE GENERATION OF DALLAS, RIGHT? AND SO WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO PLAY SPORTS EVERY DAY.

WHEN I PICK UP MY DAUGHTER, I DRIVE THROUGH AND I HAVE TO PAUSE SO THAT CHILDREN WON'T CAN MOVE TO THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT SAFE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MORE NOISE ON THE SPORT COURT AS THEY ARE THE FIELD ADJACENT TO IT OR EVEN THE PLAYGROUND THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

SO PLEASE, I URGE YOU TO, UM, LET OUR KIDS PLAY.

THANK YOU, .

MY NAME IS ALLISON O'HALLORAN.

I'M A PARISHIONER AT ZION.

I SERVE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WE HAVE TWO CHILDREN IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ALSO.

I LIVE IN DALLAS AT 69 34 ALEXANDER DRIVE.

WE OWN A BUSINESS IN DALLAS AND WE PAY PROPERTY TAXES IN DALLAS.

I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE HERE REGARDING THIS CASE.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS AGAINST THIS CASE AND AGAINST US HAVING OUR SPORT COURT.

I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY HE PURCHASED A HOME THAT BACKED UP TO A SCHOOL IN 2001.

UM, ZION LUTHERAN HAS BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 1879.

WE'VE BEEN RUNNING A SCHOOL SINCE 1899.

WE'VE BEEN AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION SINCE THE 1950S.

UM, THE TEXAS REAL ESTATE COMMISSION, PROMULGATED SALES CONTRACT IS INCREDIBLY GENEROUS TO BUYERS IN REAL ESTATE IN THIS STATE.

AND THERE ARE DOZENS OF WAYS OF GETTING OUTTA THIS CONTRACT.

THE MOST OBVIOUS BEING THE UNRESTRICTED RIGHT TO TERMINATE IN YOUR OPTION PERIOD.

AND HE DIDN'T DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE HERE.

HE SHOULD HAVE REALIZED HE WAS BUYING A HOUSE NEXT TO A SCHOOL.

MY SECOND QUESTION IS TO THE COMMISSION HERE.

I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE SPENT HOURS OF YOUR TIME AND MY TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS PANDERING TO ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DIDN'T DO HIS HOMEWORK HERE.

I THINK COULD WE CONFINE YOUR REMARKS TO THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE CASE? OKAY, BUT MY THIRD QUESTION HERE THEN IS, UM, AS A MOM, SKILLMAN AND LOVERS IS A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION.

UM, THERE'S LOTS OF SIRENS, CAR CRASHES, DRAG RACING.

I LIVED RIGHT NEXT TO IT FOR A LONG, FOR A WHILE BEFORE WE BOUGHT OUR CURRENT HOUSE.

KIDS PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND IS THE LEAST, UM, ANNOYING PART OF THE NOISE.

AND I, I'VE WITNESSED TRAFFIC CUTTING THROUGH OUR PARKING LOT TO AVOID THE CONGESTION.

AND I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR PARENTS, 282 KIDS HERE.

WHY DO OUR KIDS HAVE TO PLAY IN HARM'S WAY BECAUSE OF ONE NEIGHBOR? I I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT IN TODAY'S DAY AND AGE, I FIND IT REALLY DISTURBING THAT, THAT THE DESIRES OF ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DIDN'T DO HIS HOMEWORK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SAFETY OF OUR KIDS.

UM, EVERY SCHOOL IN EAST DALLAS HAS THESE FACILITIES, PLAYS, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND SPORTS COURTS.

AND I JUST, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS HIS INDIVIDUALS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR KIDS' SAFETY.

HI, MY NAME IS MARGOT CHOI.

UM, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN AT ZION, BUT I ALSO LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AT 6 1 1 2 EAST LOVERS LANE.

JUST GONNA SPEAK IN FULL VOICE SUPPORT OF THE SPORTS COURTS AND THE SCHOOL IN GENERAL.

I THINK IT'S A REAL VALUABLE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL HALLOW, 1 8 7 RULING COURT, LANCASTER, TEXAS 7 5 1 4 6.

UH, I'M AN ATTORNEY WHO HAS PRACTICED MUNICIPAL LAW FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ZION BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE TODAY.

UH, SOME THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND I WON'T BORE YOU GOING INTO THEM.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE A LEGISLATIVE BODY.

YOU DON'T ENFORCE THE LAWS AS JU AS A JUDICIARY.

THAT'S FOR YOUR MUNICIPAL COURT.

UH, A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THOUGH IS MY CLIENT HAS OFFERED TO QUOTE, UH, WE WILL AT OUR COST, PROVIDE AND INSTALL A SOUNDPROOFING, ACOUSTICAL, DAMPENING MATERIAL THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF YOUR FENCE ALONG THE ALLEY UP TO THE HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET.

THAT'S THE OFFER THEY'VE MADE.

MR. SANO RESPONDED.

ANY EMAIL THAT, WELL, THAT'S NOT GONNA DO ME ANY GOOD BECAUSE MY FENCE IS ONLY FOUR FEET TALL.

WHICH KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION, IF YOU'RE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE, WHY ARE YOU THE ONLY PROPERTY OWNER

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THERE THAT HAS A FOUR? I'M SORRY, CHAIR.

WE WE'RE NOT SPEAKING ABOUT THE OPPOSITION.

WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE CASE.

SO, UM, THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR IS THAT NEEDS IN VOTING FOR AND LISTENING TO THAT, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY IS THIS THE PERSON? EVERYBODY HAS AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE.

OKAY? IS THAT CHAIR? I THINK WE'RE, THANK YOU.

UH, I'LL MOVE ON.

THAT'S THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP.

SO ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO, I'M GLAD YOUR ATTORNEY'S HERE.

IF YOU'RE GONNA FORCE MY CLIENT TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE MINOR AMENDMENT DOESN'T REQUIRE, THAT'S POTENTIALLY AN ILLEGAL EXACTION.

THERE'S GOTTA BE A CONNECTION AND ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE ACTION THAT'S GOING ON THE PROPERTY.

IT DOESN'T ALTER THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP IS SCHOOL, NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL.

THAT'S NOT CHANGING.

THEY'RE DOING THE SAME ACTIVITIES NOW.

MAYBE BASKETBALL THAT THEY WERE DOING BEFORE, ALL SCHOOL RELATED ACTIVITIES, THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT AFTER THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT BEFORE THEY'RE JUST DOING IT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

SO I, I'M GLAD YOUR ATTORNEY IS HERE.

YOU MAY EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY, WELL, WHAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY ASKING THIS MY CLIENT TO DO IS BENEFIT A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL.

PLEASE DON'T.

THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HERE TO BENEFIT A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL.

THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I THINK YOUR ATTORNEY ADVISED THAT.

YEAH, THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE.

YOU, YOU HAVE AN EASY WAY TO VOTE FOR IT.

THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL IMPOSED ON THE APPLICANT.

THE APPLICANT DID THAT, HIM OR HERSELF.

THE SAME THING.

HERE.

YOU'VE GOT A WAY THAT'S PRECEDENT.

YOU CAN ACCEPT THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WE ACCEPTED THE SOUND FENCE BACK ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2022.

WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING HERE 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTEERED THAT.

SO I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER NOT BENEFITING A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL AND I WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL OF AN ILLEGAL EXACTION.

HELLO, I'M JEFF THORMAN, THE PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL.

UM, I THINK I SPOKE TO YOU GUYS BEFORE.

JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, UH, THIS PORT COURT WAS PUT IN AND SET UP BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE KIDS OUT THE PARKING LOT, PURE AND SIMPLE.

WE WANNA KEEP 'EM OUT OF, UH, ISSUES.

UH, WE DO HAVE CARS THAT COME THROUGH OUR PARKING LOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMETHING GETS STACKED UP AT SKILLMAN, WHICH HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS ONE OF THE MOST, UH, DANGEROUS LOCATIONS IN DALLAS FOR ACCIDENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND SO CARS COME THROUGH OUR PARKING LOT TO TRY AND BYPASS THAT.

UH, THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE ANY ISSUES THAT WE POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE, UH, AND ALLOWING THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PLAY IN, IN THE WAY THAT THEY, THEY DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I FIND JOY IN HEARING KIDS SCREAM AND HAVE FUN AND PLAY AND, UM, RUN AROUND IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO IT'S PART OF OUR WORLD AND THEY'RE ONE DAY GONNA BE SITTING IN YOUR SEAT.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? SPEAKERS OPPOSED COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JOE SARNO.

MY ADDRESS IS 61 14 TOWN HILL LANE.

UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE MI THIS MINOR AMENDMENT IS NOT MINOR AT ALL AND ALSO THAT IT WILL ALTER THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT'S GAIN COURT IS A MAJOR CHANGE.

IT IS A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT NONPERMEABLE SURFACE THAT BECAUSE OF ITS LARGE SIZE REQUIRED, REQUIRED AN ENGINEERING STUDY AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN.

WERE NOT AGAINST THE SPORT COURT, WE'RE JUST AGAINST ITS PLACEMENT SO CLOSE TO, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT PROXIMITY TO ITS NEIGHBORS, THE COURT CANNOT BE USED AS INTENDED WITHOUT VIOLATING THE CITY'S AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODES, NOISE REGULATIONS.

THE NEARBY PLAYGROUND AREA USED BY THE APPLICANT'S YOUNGEST STUDENTS IS ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF THE CO CODES NOISE REGULATIONS.

NOW THE APPLICANT WANTS TO ADD THIS GAME COURT AREA WHERE HIGH INTENSITY USE BY ITS OLDER STUDENTS WILL MORE THAN DOUBLE THE FREQUENCY AND INTENSITY OF THE NOISE IN OUR HOME DURING THE WORKDAY.

THESE OFFENSIVE NOISE LEVELS INFRINGE ON OUR RIGHT TO QUIETLY ENJOY OUR HOME.

WE LEARNED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS NO PLANS TO PRECLUDE THIS COURT FROM BEING USED FOR PICKLEBALL LIMIT ITS HOURS OF USE OR ITS USE OR ITS USE TO ITS

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STUDENTS.

ZION IS CURRENTLY NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.

CURRENT RULES IN THE CODE STIPULATE THAT YOU DENY NEW DEVELOPMENT TO AN APPLICANT THAT IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

THE APPLICANT STARTED THIS PROJECT WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING A PERMIT AND THAT IS A VIOLATION OF THE CITY'S ORDINANCES.

I HAD HOPED THAT WE COULD COME TO SOME TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND, BUT THE APPLICANT EMPLOYED DELAY TACTICS AND NEVER OFFERED ANY REAL SOLUTIONS.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSED PROVIDING US WITH ACOUSTIC PANELS FOR INSTALLATION ON OUR FOREFOOT HIGH FENCE.

THESE MEASURES WILL NOT INFLUENCE THE NOISE LEVELS ANYWHERE ON OUR PROPERTY EXCEPT RIGHT BEHIND THE FENCE.

IF WE CROUCH DOWN A BIT, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO COMPROMISE ON A SOUND BARRIER 'CAUSE WE BELIEVE AN EFFECTIVE SOUND BARRIER BARRIER IS THE COMPROMISE THIS GAME COURT FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT IS JUST A WANT, A WANT THAT ALTERS THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY.

YOU SHOULD NOT LET THE APPLICANT'S WANT, WANTS TRUMP ITS NEIGHBOR'S RIGHTS.

IF THE APPLICANT IS OPEN TO A MORE SERIOUS DISCUSSION TO ACHIEVE A COMPROMISE, WE ARE OPEN TO ANOTHER CONTINUANCE.

OTHERWISE, YOU SHOULD VOTE TO DENY THE MINOR AMENDMENT'S APPLICATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? HELLO? UM, MY NAME IS A LATINA SARNA AND I LIVE AT 6 1 1 4 TOWN HILL LANE AS WELL.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A FEW POINTS.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THERE IS ALREADY AN ACTIVITY HAPPENING ON THE PLAYGROUND.

I MEAN, NOT ON THE PLAYGROUND, ON THE PARKING LOT.

AS EVERYONE ELSE MENTIONED, THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A FULL SIZE BASKETBALL COURT OR A PICKLEBALL COURT.

SO I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THIS, THIS THEY ARE CREATING BASICALLY A NEW ACTIVITY OR AT LEAST ENHANCING THE EXISTING ACTIVITY AND THEY'RE BRINGING THIS ENHANCED EXISTING ACTIVITY CLOSER, 90 FEET CLOSER TO OUR HOME.

I DO THINK THIS IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

THIS IS NOT A MINOR CHANGE BECAUSE NOW THE CHILDREN WHO ARE PLAYING BASKETBALL ON THE PARKING LOT WILL BE PLAYING 90 FEET CLOSER TO OUR HOME.

SO THE NOISE LEVELS WILL DEFINITELY INCREASE.

AND ANOTHER THING THAT IT'S BEEN MENTIONED, UH, I THINK IN A FEW, UM, APPLICATIONS, AND I THINK AT THE LAST HEARING AS WELL, THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT MOVING THIS ACTIVITY INTO THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND.

THEY'RE MOVING IT INTO AN AREA THAT IS CLOSE TO THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND.

BUT THAT AREA PREVIOUSLY WAS JUST A FIELD, JUST TURF REALLY.

AND THERE WAS NO HIGH INTENSITY ACTIVITY.

I'VE NEVER PERSONALLY SEEN CHILDREN JUST PLAYING THERE, YELLING AND SCREAMING.

SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT USE OF THAT AREA, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOME.

AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT ONLY CREATING NEW ACTIVITY, THEY'RE CHANGING THE USE OF THAT AREA BEHIND OUR HOME.

AND THEY'RE ALSO BRINGING NEW USERS.

THEY'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF USERS OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT CLOSE TO OUR HOME.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE CHILDREN DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS.

THEY ALSO STATED THAT THEY DON'T, DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM COMING AND PLAYING AFTERSCHOOL HOURS, CHILDREN, ADULTS, ANYONE, ANYTIME DURING DAY NIGHT CAN COME AND PLAY WEEKENDS.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE, I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD LIKE MAYBE TO ASK YOU LIKE WHEN YOU DECIDE ON THIS CASE, ASK YOURSELF HONESTLY, WOULD YOU LIKE, WOULD YOU BE OKAY FOR A SCHOOL OR ANY OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTITUTION? I DON'T KNOW TO PLACE A BASKETBALL COURT OR PICKLEBALL COURT THAT CLOSE TO YOUR HOME.

WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE CHILDREN.

I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE.

IT'S JUST THIS ACTIVITY, THIS BASKETBALL COURT, THIS PICKLEBALL COURT IS GONNA BE WAY, WAY TOO CLOSE TO OUR HOME.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, ACTUALLY, WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, BEFORE AND WE'VE LOOKED UP OTHER SCHOOLS, OTHER PARKS, AND MOST OF THEM, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM.

I'M SORRY, DON'T PLACE BASKETBALL COURTS.

YOU'RE TIME IS UP.

THIS IS CLOSED.

THANK YOU TO PEOPLE'S HOMES.

THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BLUE? WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? YES, MY NAME IS JAMES COOLMAN.

ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? UH, IN OPPOSITION? ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IS THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE HERE?

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UM, I MET MOST OF YOU AT THE LAST MEETING A MONTH AGO.

I'M AN ARCHITECT AND ALSO A MEMBER OF ZION LUTHERAN CHURCH.

MR. COOLMAN, I THINK THEY, AT THE LAST MEETING WE REQUESTED ASKED YOU ALL, WERE YOU ALL, UM, GOING TO DO A NOISE STUDY? WAS THAT NOISE STUDY OBTAINED? NO, WE DID NOT.

WE DID NOT OBTAIN A NOISE STUDY.

UM, I I WANT, UM, MAYBE I'M WRONG.

I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE GONNA OBTAIN A NO STUDY.

NO, THAT'S NOT MY RECOLLECTION.

NO MA'AM.

UM, WELL MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE REQUESTED TO SEE IF YOU ALL WERE GONNA DO A NO STUDY ALSO.

UM, UM, IT WAS STATED AT THAT LAST MEETING.

IT WASN'T STATED TODAY, BUT IT WAS STATED BY OPPOSITION ABOUT THE HOURS BEING ANYONE.

UM, ANYTIME, ANY DAY ANYONE FROM OUTSIDE TO COME IN.

ALSO THE PICKLEBALL, IS PICKLEBALL GOING TO BE ON THIS PARTICULAR COURT? IT'S NOT CURRENTLY PLANNED.

NO.

AND JUST SO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, WE WILL BE FENCING THIS COURT.

WE HAVE A FOUR OR FIVE FOOT TALL IRON FENCE THAT IS CURRENTLY AROUND OUR PLAYGROUND.

WE'RE GONNA EXTEND THAT FENCE AROUND THIS COURT.

WE HAVE SIGNS POSTED ON OUR PROPERTY THAT, THAT DISCOURAGE TRESPASSING.

UM, WE DO NOT LOCK THE GATES, UM, AT NIGHT.

UM, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY.

LIKE IF WE HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE CHILDREN WHO WANT TO PLAY ON THE WEEKENDS OR AFTER HOURS, THE COURT IS NOT LIT.

UM, AND IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIGHT ENOUGH.

THERE IS SOME ADJACENT PARKING LOT LIGHTING, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO LIGHT THIS COURT AREA THAT WOULD, SO IT WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PLAY AT NIGHT.

UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE IN JUST LEAVING IT OPEN, UM, 24 HOURS A DAY.

SO, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE AT THE END, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT USABLE IN NIGHT.

WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS STATED TO US IN THE LAST HEARING? UM, I WANNA SAY, WAS IT THE PRINCIPAL OR THE BOARD, UH, DIRECTOR OF THE BOARD SAID THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE PICKET BALL ON THE COURT.

HE AND THAT WILL STATE, I THINK THEY, THERE ARE, THERE IS, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO STRIKE THIS COURT FOR PICKLEBALL OR TO INSTALL PICKLEBALL NETS OR TO HAVE ANY KIND OF ORGANIZED PICKLEBALL ACTIVITY.

WHAT PEOPLE DO WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE.

THEY COULD PLAY PICKLEBALL ANYWHERE.

I MEAN, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, WE ARE NOT PLANNING FOR THAT TO BE A PICKLEBALL COURT.

THIS IS SIMPLY MOVING CHILDREN FROM PLAYING ON A CONCRETE SURFACE TO ANOTHER CONCRETE SURFACE THAT'S CURRENTLY GRASS IN THE SAME PLAYGROUND AREA.

WE CONSIDER THAT ENTIRE FIELD OUR PLAY AREA, THERE'S A PLAYGROUND.

THERE IS, THERE'S A GRASS AREA THAT THEY CAN PLAY, CATCH AND THROW THE FOOTBALL, AND THERE'S A SOCCER FIELD.

SO WE CONSIDER THAT ENTIRE AREA OUR PLAY FIELD.

THIS NEW, THIS NEW BALL COURT IS GOING IN THAT AREA.

WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN.

IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF KIDS AT RECESS.

IT'S THE SAME KIND OF RECESS ACTIVITY.

IT'S NOT AN ORGANIZED BASKETBALL, UM, LEAGUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S KIDS AT RECESS AND WE'RE JUST MOVING THEM FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION TO THIS NEW COURT AREA THAT IS PROBABLY 70 FEET TO THE NORTH.

ONE LAST QUESTION.

UM, WERE YOU, OR WERE YOU, UM, LAST, AT THE LAST HEARING, UM, THE OPPOSITION STATED THAT THERE HAS BEEN PLAYED ON THE ACTUAL COURT THAT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW AS LATE AS I THINK MAYBE AFTER MIDNIGHT? I'M ALMOST FOR SURE OF, AND I, AND WE DID NOT.

SO THE CURRENT COURT IS IN OUR PARKING LOT.

AND WE DO NOT HAVE A FENCE AROUND OUR PARKING LOT.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR PARKING LOT AFTER HOURS? IT, YES, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE OUT THERE PLAYING BALL.

AND WHICH IS ALSO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FURTHER, WHICH IS ALSO WHY THIS WOULD BE ADVANT MORE ADVANTAGEOUS BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIGHTING AND NO ONE COULD PLAY AT NIGHT IF IT WAS MOVED, WOULD YOU ALL CONSIDER HAVING A TIME FRAME? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? PUTTING A TIMEFRAME IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS.

MATERIAL BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE ALLEY FOR SECURITY REASONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU MR. COLEMAN.

I, WE HEARD TESTIMONY.

I RE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM, UM, I BELIEVE YOUR YOURSELF THAT MENTIONED THE ACOUSTIC FENCING.

WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD CONSIDERED ADDING TO YOUR FENCE? I THINK THERE'S A PARTIAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE PLAN.

WAS ADDITION OF THAT ACOUSTIC MATERIAL ON YOUR SIDE, SOMETHING THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED? WE, OUR SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS ARE RELUCTANT TO ADD THAT FENCE

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SO OUR CONCERN IS THAT IF WE WERE TO INSTALL THAT FENCE ALONG THE ALLEY ON OUR SIDE, THEN WE CREATE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO HIDE FOR.

IT'S A PLACE THAT'S NOT MONITORED.

I'LL SAY THAT BY EITHER OUR TEACHERS WATCHING CHILDREN AT RECESS OR, YOU KNOW, BY ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE BEHIND THAT FENCE.

AND SO WE CONSIDER THAT A SECURITY RISK.

AND THE PROPOSAL TO MR. SARNO TO INSTALL THIS ACOUSTIC FENCE MATERIAL, IT'S A, IT'S A COVER THAT GOES ON HIS FENCE, UM, WOULD OFFER A SIGNIFICANT NOISE REDUCTION FOR HIS PROPERTY.

UM, IT WOULD BE ON THE ALLEY SIDE OF HIS FENCE SO THAT IF HE HAD AN OPAQUE FENCE, IT WOULDN'T, HE WOULDN'T SEE IT.

UM, AND IT WOULD HELP TO ELIMINATE OR REDUCE THE NOISE THAT HE EXPERIENCES IN HIS BACKYARD, IN HIS HOUSE.

TO FURTHER ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WELL, I JUST, I I SEE THE, THE ROW OF PLANTINGS AND SO I THINK WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT YOU PERCEIVE THE PLANTING HEDGE TO NOT BE SOLID, THEREFORE NOT THE SAME SECURITY RISK THAT IN YOUR EVALUATION ADDING THE SOLIDS FENCE MATERIAL WOULD ACHIEVES.

THAT'S ACCURATE AND THERE WAS NO CONSIDERATION.

I SEE YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING, I BELIEVE AT OUR LAST MEETING, IT'S A COMMUNITY GARDEN THAT'S A SMALLER FENCED OFF AREA.

PUTTING SOMETHING IN THAT LINE THAT MAINTAINED YOUR VISIBILITY TO THE ALLEY WAS IN ANYTHING THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN YOUR CURRENT PLANS? THAT'S CORRECT.

YOUR QUESTION WAS VERY RELEVANT AND WE JUST, YOU GOTTA ALWAYS BE ABLE TO SEE THE CHILDREN.

UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.

UH, THERE WAS MENTION OF THE SOCCER FIELD AND WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THE SOCCER FIELD.

IS YOUR SOCCER FIELD CURRENTLY USED ON A, ON A NORMAL BASIS AS THE SOCCER FIELD? YES.

COMMERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR THE OPPOSITION.

NO QUESTIONS FOR THE OPPOSITION.

OH, SORRY.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CHAIR.

UM, CAN WE GET A REFRESHER ABOUT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT AND WHAT THE DISCRETION WE HAVE AS A COMMISSION IS? YES.

I'LL READ YOU THE, UH, MINOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA.

A MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY AS NECESSARY TO MEET THE CONTINGENCIES OF DEVELOPMENT.

AMENDMENTS.

DO NOT QUALIFY AS MINOR AMENDMENTS MUST BE PROCESSED AS A ZONING AMENDMENT.

MINOR AMENDMENTS ARE LIMITED TO MINOR CHANGES IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT OTHERWISE COMPLY WITH THE PD ORDINANCE AND DO NOT ALTER THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY.

INCREASE A HEIGHT SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BY MORE THAN 10% OR 12 FEET, WHICHEVER IS LESS PROVIDED THERE IS NO INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF HABITABLE STORIES OR PARKING LEVELS ABOVE GRADE C.

DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO AS TO CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR TRAFFIC CONGESTION OR FAIL TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING OR D REDUCE BUILDING SETBACKS AT THE BOUNDARY OF THE SITE SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND IF IT MEETS THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT, WHAT IS OUR ROLE AS THE CPC? UH, CPC UH, IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE BECAUSE IT IS MINISTERIAL AND NOT SUBJECTIVE.

A LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION.

SO IT'S MINISTERIAL.

JUST TO CONFIRM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S CAN BE A LOT OF CONFUSIONS ABOUT WHICH CASES WE CAN AND CAN'T HAVE SOME DISCRETION.

IF IT'S MINISTERIAL, THIS IS ONE OF THE LOWEST LEVELS OF DISCRETION.

WOULD THAT BE AN ACCURATE CHARACTERIZATION? I, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY? IF IT'S MINISTERIAL, THERE IS NO DISCRETION.

OH, OKAY.

NO DISCRETION.

MAY, MAY I JUST ASK ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

UM, MR. MOORE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IF WE FIND THAT IT MEETS THE FOUR CRITERIA AS JUST STATED.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, COMMISSIONER.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THANK YOU MS. MORMAN, YOU READ THEM.

I APPRECIATE IT.

, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SCENE NONE.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?

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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TREADAWAY.

IN THE CASE OF 2 34 0 0 3, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO ADD, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

UM, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER REMARKS.

SO IS IS AS RECENTLY AS, UH, FOUR OR FIVE DAYS AGO, UH, THERE WAS A DIALOGUE BETWEEN MR. SARNO AND THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE SCHOOL, AND I WAS VERY HOPEFUL THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A COMPROMISE AGREEMENT THAT THEY COULD BRING FORWARD.

UM, I REALIZE THAT WE'RE LIMITED IN TERMS OF ANYTHING WE CAN RECOMMEND IN TERMS OF ADDING ON CONDITIONS.

SO I I I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THIS PART OF THE MOTION, BUT I, I I WILL SAY THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE, FIRST OF ALL, THAT, UM, THE, THE, THE SCHOOL AND MR. SARNO AND POSSIBLY MS. TUB WHO IS, IS I THINK NEXT DOOR TO MR. SARNO, UH, THAT THEY, UH, CONSIDER AND AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THE SCHOOL IS GIVEN TO ADD THAT ACOUSTIC MATERIAL.

I DO THINK THAT WILL WILL HELP.

I ALSO HOPE THAT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS AND PARTICULARLY IN, IN NOT LESS THAN A YEAR, REVISIT AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO, UM, UH, FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

AND I THINK MR. HALL HAD ONE OTHER CONDITION HE WANTED TO BRING UP, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I, EXCUSE ME, BROUGHT THIS UP AT OUR, OUR LAST HEARING.

UH, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR THING TO SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW PICKLEBALL ON THIS COURT.

UH, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT UP A FENCE OR STRIPING IT, BUT THEY COULD HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO THEIR BEST TO PREVENT PICKLEBALL FROM BEING PLAYED THERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, YOU HAD A REMARK? UM, YEAH, I SUPPORTED THIS MOTION BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES MEET THE FOUR CRITERIA.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY DISCRETION.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED AND APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GROUPS WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND AN ACCOMMODATION.

UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE NOISE ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US IS A ZONING CHANGE.

UM, AND AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO GET SOME TRANSPARENCY ON, ON THE DECISION AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR JUST UNDERSTANDING.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'LL SAY THIS, THREATENING AND ATTACKING THIS BODY IS REALLY NOT GOOD.

ADVOCACY.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE.

I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN WE HAVE VERY RESTRICTIVE CRITERIA, EVALUATING WHERE, UM, THE LINE IS CAN BE DIFFICULT.

UM, I AM NOT SURE I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT ADDING THE CLOSER PROXIMITY OF A PAVED PLAY COURT IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL DOES POTENTIALLY ALTER THAT RELATIONSHIP.

I LIKE MR. SLEEPER, FULLY HAD HOPED THAT THERE WOULD BE A COMPROMISE SOLUTION, EITHER THROUGH LANDSCAPE BUFFERING THE ORIENTATION OF THE COURT, HOW IT WAS, UM, RELATED TO THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF AREA HERE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE A MORE CREATIVE SOLUTION COULD HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THE OBJECTIVES OF THE SCHOOL, THE PARENTS, THEIR NEED FOR A SAFER PLAY ENVIRONMENT, AS WELL AS ADDRESSING, UM, FROM NEIGHBORS.

WE HAVE HEARD, I'M SURE OTHER NEIGHBORS HEAR THE SAME THINGS.

UM, PERHAPS NOT TO THE EXTENT.

UM, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GONNA VOTE AT THIS POINT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE MR. SLEEPER TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE THE DIALOGUE.

COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I TRY TO GIVE PRONUNCIATIONS RIGHTS OVER HERE.

UM, I SUPPORT CHILDREN 100% AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A MINOR AMENDMENT AND I, I CAN SAY I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT, UH, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO OPTIONS FOR OTHER TYPE OF, UM, BRING IT UP AGAIN, PREVIOUS PERIOD, UM, PAVEMENT BECAUSE THE PAVEMENT FOR THE BASKETBALL COURT HAS ALREADY BEEN LAID.

UM, SO, UM, IF THERE WAS AN OPTION FOR THE PREVIOUS, UH, PAYMENT SO THAT THE NOISE COULD BE, UM, POSSIBLY NOT AS LOUD

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OR POSSIBLY EVEN, UM, UM, WE DID NOT HEAR THE PREVIOUS, THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE PICKET, UM, UH, NOT PICKLEBALL.

PICKLEBALL.

WE HEARD HIM SAY THAT.

UM, SO I CAN'T UNHEARD THAT.

AND SO IT, IN, IN MY OPINION THAT IT WILL CHANGE THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP, SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? MR. MR. CHAIR? YES.

I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

MR. COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UM, JUST, JUST TWO QUICK POINTS, UM, TO MAKE.

FIRST, UM, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.

I THINK THE KEY LANGUAGE THERE IS WHETHER IT LACKS FOR, AFFECTS THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPERTY, NOT MERELY THE RELATIONSHIP, BUT I DON'T THINK THE ADDITION OF SIMPLY THIS BASKETBALL COURT, UM, RISES TO THE LEVEL OF EFFECT OF THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP AFTER HAVING SEEN MINOR REMITS GET APPLICATIONS COME IN AND COME OUT OF THIS BODY FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

I DON'T THINK THIS ONE GOES PAST THE LINE OF AFFECTING THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP.

UM, THE OTHER PIECE I WANTED TO SPEAK TO, UM, IS LIKE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THE ADVOCACY OF THIS CASE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THE OPPOSITION, BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ADVOCACY DONE BY COUNSEL FOR THE ADVOCATE HERE, WHICH I AM, UM, PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, IS COUNSEL.

Y'ALL CERTAINLY KNOW WHAT THE RELEVANT STANDARD IS, WHICH IS YOU HERE, THAT THE THING THAT WAS IN DISPUTE WAS WHETHER IT, UH, AFFECTED THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY AND LECTURING TO US ABOUT THINGS LIKE EXACTION IS REALLY NOT RELEVANT AND NOT HELPFUL IN DOING THINGS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED AT LAST MEETING, BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, THE OPPOSITIONS HEALTH CONDITIONS ARE REALLY JUST NOT IN ANY WAY GERMANE TO THIS DISCUSSION.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE MAY HAVE BEEN COME UP IN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS ADVOCATES, I THINK WE COULD DO, I THINK PEOPLE COULD DO A LOT, LOT BETTER THAN BRINGING IN THOSE REALLY EXTRANEOUS CONSIDERATIONS INTO THE DEBATE, UM, BEFORE US IN A VERY PUBLIC BODY.

AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ZION COMES BEFORE US, THAT THEIR APPLICANTS WILL, OR, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVES WILL FOCUS ON THE ISSUES BEFORE US, RATHER THAN BRINGING IN INFLAMMATORY THINGS THAT ARE REALLY EXTRANEOUS AND DON'T BELONG AT, AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, THANK YOU.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR RE REMINDING EVERYONE THAT, UH, ATTACKS ON THIS BODY ARE UNCALLED FOR ATTACKS ON, UH, FOLKS WITH A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW ON A CASE IS UNCALLED FOR.

AND IT REALLY DOES, UH, DIMINISH OUR ABILITY TO DO THE WORK WE NEED TO DO HERE IN THE CITY WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.

UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS CHANGES THE FUNDAMENTAL NATURE, UH, OF THE, OF THE OPERATION OF THAT PROPERTY.

UH, I'LL REMIND EVERYONE IN MY OPINION THAT UH, NOT ONLY THE DO THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE RIGHTS, BUT THE, UH, THE CHURCH OWNERS AND CHURCH PROPERTY, UH, HAS RIGHTS AS WELL.

AND SO I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CASE AND MR. SLEEP'S MOTION.

SO, UM, SO YOU NO OTHER COMMENTS, UH, IN THE MATTER OF D TWO, EXCUSE ME.

M 2 34, UH, 0 0 3, WE HAVE A, A, A MOTION OF APPROVAL AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED, OPPOSED.

OKAY, SO I GOT 1, 2, 3, AND YEAH, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE OPPOSED.

1, 2, 3 ON THAT SIDE AND ONE ON THIS SIDE.

AND CHAIR DISTRICT 12.

SO THAT'S, HOW MANY DID WE HAVE? FIVE WE'RE MISSING TWO.

WOULD YOU PREFER TO TAKE RECORDED? SIX, FOUR.

FIVE, SIX.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A RECORDED.

WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BACK UP AND TAKE A RECORDED VOTE.

SO MS. SINA, TAKE IT AWAY.

I THE MOTION DISTRICT TWO? NO.

DISTRICT THREE.

YAY.

DISTRICT FOUR? NO.

DISTRICT FIVE ABSENT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

UM,

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AND 2, 3, 4, 0 0 3 PASSES.

OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE ON TO, UM, THE, UH, ZONING CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.

THIS WILL BE ITEM NUMBER NINE.

ITEM NUMBER NINE IS Z 2 2 3 116.

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM, SO I'LL BE STEPPING OUT.

RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.

THANK, THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS A, HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS AND WILL BE, UM, SIGNING OFF THE, THE VIDEO Z 2 2 316 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONED SUB AREA TWO WITHIN PLAINTIFF DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 6 6, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH THE D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF CON TRIBE BETWEEN BRUTON ROAD, STONE, HURST STREET STAFF.

SO ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF ITEM NUMBER NINE M 2 2 3 116? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER WHEELER? UM, DIDN'T, DIDN'T THE APPLICANT MAKE SOME A, UH, CHANGES AS FAR AS, UM, THE ENTRYWAY OR SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHANGED? UM, THAT WOULD COME? THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT OFF OF BRODEN RIGHT AFTER BUCKNER, AM I CORRECT? YES.

THIS IS BEHIND THE CAR WASH ON CONNOR DRIVE ACCESS FROM CONNOR DRIVE THAT IT'S IN THE BUCKNER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.

THE CHANGE WAS ACTUALLY, UH, INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS DOCKET.

THE FIRST, THE, THE, YES, THE, THE, THE, UH, ON FEBRUARY 1ST, THE CHANGE WAS IN THAT DOCKET.

SO HAS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN OR CONDITIONS SINCE THAT HEARING? IN THE FEBRUARY 1ST HEARING, THEY ADDED A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN ABOUT ACCESS FROM BRUTON? FROM BRUTON, YEAH.

IT ALSO IS THIS, UH, WHAT THEIR, THEIR CURRENT USE IS A AUTO SERVICE CENTER, AM I CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THE REASON FOR DENIAL WAS, I MEAN, RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL IF THEY'RE ALREADY A AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND, UM, ABOUT THEY CAN ONLY HAVE THE FIVE SPACES.

AND HOW WOULD IT DISRUPT THE CURRENT, UH, CURRENT, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD? THE REQUEST IS THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC FROM AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER THAN SURE THEY CAN'T PUT MORE THAN FIVE CARS IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

SURE.

THE REQUEST IS FOR AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE.

BOTH OF THOSE REQUIRE AN SUP IN THE DISTRICT.

UH, THEY'RE LIKELY NON-CONFORMING LAST TIME I CHECKED WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE AUTO SERVICE CENTER USE, WHICH WILL KEEP THEIR USE, UM, ABLE TO OPERATE AS IS, UH, UNDER THE, UH, GUIDELINES FOR NON-CONFORMING USES.

IF YOU APPLY THE SUP, IF YOU APPLY THE SUP TO THAT USE, IT COULD, IT COULD ACTUALLY RESULT IN THEIR DETERMINATION OF THEIR RIGHT TO, TO OPERATE.

SO IN TERMS OF THE AUTO SERVICE CENTER, I THINK WE'D RECOMMEND THEY RATHER STAY UNDER THEIR, THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS, UM, NOT, NOT GET THE SUP TO ALTER THAT OR, OR BE SUBJECT TO TERM, UH, EXPIRATION BY THE SUP FOR THAT USE.

AND THEN VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE WAS VIEWED AS A ADDITIONAL MORE INTENSE USE THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL.

JUST ADVISED SOMETHING.

SO I'LL WAIT TILL NEXT TIME.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER? UH, COMMISSIONER HALL.

UM, C YOU CATCH YOUR MICROPHONE.

I THINK THE CONCERN WAS THE, UH, ACCESS TO THIS SITE.

THERE, THERE WAS A, UH, UH, ACCESS ACCESS THROUGH COMER, BUT THE SECOND ACCESS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY THROUGH A WALGREENS PARKING LOT.

IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPRESS ON THEIR SITE PLAN, UM, AND I'LL, I'LL BE FRANK, IN THEIR, IN THEIR COMMUNICATION, THEY SAID THEY, THEY ARE ATTENDING TO RECORD AN EASEMENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS NOT THE WALGREENS, IT'S THE, UH, THE CAR WASH THAT THEY ALREADY OWN.

NOT THE WALGREENS.

IT'S NOT DIRECT ACCESS FROM BRUTON ROAD, IS IT? IT IS.

NO, NO, IT'D BE FROM THE NORTH.

WHICH REFRESH MY MEMORY, WHAT STREET THAT IS THE CAR WASH.

OH,

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BECAUSE BUCKNER RUNS, BUCKNER RUNS PARALLEL TO CONNOR, SO IT'S BRUTON TO THE NORTH.

AND SO THERE'S A CAR WASH PROPERTY DIRECTLY OF THE NORTH THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, THAT THEY PROPOSED TO, UH, RECORD AN EASEMENT PRESUMABLY ON, UH, THROUGH THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

THERE WERE, IT'S NOT MINE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.

AND, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DEPICT ON THEIR SITE PLAN WITH THE NOTE ABOUT ACCESS FROM THERE.

BUT THAT CAR WASH IS NOT OWNED BY THEM, IS IT? OR IS IT? I BELIEVE IT IS.

ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I, I JUST HAVE ONE POINT FOR CLARIFICATION.

MR. UM, PEPPY, YOU MENTIONED THE FEBRUARY 1ST HEARING, HOWEVER, THIS WAS HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT IN NOVEMBER 2ND AND JANUARY THE 18TH.

IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T SEE IT ON OUR DOCKET FOR THE FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

THE LAST HEARING JAN WAS JANUARY 18.

IT WAS HELD FROM THAT DATE WITH REALLY NO DISCUSSION, BUT THE ONE, EXCUSE ME, BUT THE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE, WHICH IS THE NOTE REGARDING ACCESS WAS MARKED PRIOR TO THAT DOCKET.

AND SO THERE'S REALLY BEEN NO CHANGE SINCE THEN.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON TIMING THAT THERE WASN'T ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

IF THERE'S, UM, NO QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA TURN TO COMMISSIONER HERBERT AS COMMISSIONER SHED IS OUT TODAY.

YES, THANK YOU.

IN THE CASE OF Z 2 2 3 116 MP, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER IN VIOL EVENT UNTIL THE MARCH 7TH, UM, HEARING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

SO ITEM 10 IS MS. MUNOZ ON LINE? THERE SHE IS.

ITEM NUMBER 10 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 15 FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION ON PROPERTY ZONE AND NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CEDAR CREST BOULEVARD AND EAST EAST BOULEVARD.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF Z 2 23 DASH 1 63? ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN, IN OPPOSITION? OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONERS' QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THE QUESTION THAT I HAD TO ASK STAFF WAS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY AROUND THAT CONVENIENCE STORE AND THEY HAD INDICATED, UH, THAT, UH, THERE HASN'T BEEN A, A CASE IN TWO YEARS.

SO IT, UH, IT APPEARS TO BE, YOU KNOW, VERY SAFE.

AND AGAIN, THOUGH THAT THAT ISSUE IS NOT GERMANE TO THIS SUP FOR GAS PUMPS.

SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO CITY ATTORNEY AFTERWARDS AND, BUT, UH, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WAS HIS POINT EARLIER IS THAT IT'S NOT GERMANE TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

SO, UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WELL JUST, UM, MR. MOORE, IS IT CORRECT THAT IN EVALUATING AN SUP ONE OF OUR CHARGES IS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT WE CAN CONSIDER COMPONENTS RELATED TO COMPATIBILITY? I'M, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, I, I MISSED THE QUESTION.

SO I LOOK AT THAT SECTION.

CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? I WAS JUST ASKING THAT COMPATIBILITY ISSUES IS ONE OF THE UNDERLYING, UM, ITEMS CONSIDERED VIA SUVS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

I WILL THEN, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER FORSYTH.

SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 DASH 1 63, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

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ITEM 11.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

ITEM 11 IS Z 2 23 2 7.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST KEYS BOULEVARD AND GUADALUPE AVENUE STAFF.

THANK YOU MR. PEPE.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF Z 2 2 3 2 1 7.

ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SCENE NONE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IN THE CASE OF Z 2 2 3 2 7, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IN THIS CASE AND HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE MARCH 21ST, UH, UH, COURT DATE, I MEAN, HEARING DATE.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I'LL MAKE COMMENT.

UH, YOU DO.

UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND UH, COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES, ON THIS CASE WE HAD A VERY, VERY CONTENTIOUS, UM, UM, CONVERSATION IN A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, WITH ABOUT 40, UH, RESIDENTS, WHICH IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

UM, AND THERE WERE SOME, UM, CONSIDERATIONS AND IDEAS GIVEN TO THE DEVELOPER TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DISCUSS, UM, WITH SOME CITY STAFF AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

UM, SO WE HOPE THEY COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION BEFORE THEN.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ON THE TABLE.

ITEM 12 Z 2 23 DASH 2 82.

THAT'S MS. BRIDGES.

THERE WE'RE, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER Z 2 23 DASH 2 82.

AND APPLICATION FOR A MU MIX.

ONE MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE WEST CORNER OF SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD AND MARFA AVENUE STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL.

THANK YOU MS. BRIDGES.

UM, ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? ANYONE? OH, HERE WE ARE IN SUPPORT.

PLEASE COME DOWN.

CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? CAN YOU PUSH THE BUTTON ON THE, OKAY.

THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU SHERRY.

FLOLAN, DO YOU HAVE REMARKS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS? WELL, UM, I OPENED THIS, UM, REZONING IN JUNE AND THEN THEY RESCHEDULED IT FOR JANUARY, AND NOW THEY'RE RESCHEDULING FOR MARCH.

AND I WANTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO? DO WE HAVE TO JUST KEEP PUTTING IT OFF, WHICH IS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING MOVING? UM, I THINK A, A PART OF THE ANSWER IS THAT WE NOW HAVE MR. FORSYTH ON OUR COMMISSION WHO IS, UM, UH, NEWLY APPOINTED IN THE POSITION TO REPRESENT THE DISTRICT OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND I THINK, UH, NOT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MR. FORSYTH, BUT I BELIEVE HE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO WORK WITH YOU TO ANSWER ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND GET THIS BACK BEFORE US FOR A VOTE.

UH, MR. FORSYTH, DO YOU CARE TO ADDRESS THIS FURTHER? WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU AND I HOPE YOU'LL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF INVESTIGATE THIS CASE FURTHER AND, AND DEFINITELY WE WILL HAVE A HEARING ON THIS IN MARCH.

HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE 21ST.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

AND ANY, ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US TODAY? NO.

UM, PERHAPS MR. FORSYTH, YOU COULD, YOU COULD MEET WITH MS. LULUM WHILE SHE'S HERE AND YOU ALL GET SOME THINGS MOVING ON.

THAT CORRECT? THANK YOU.

UM, SO TODAY, MR. UH, FORSYTH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN THIS CASE? YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IN CASE NUMBER Z 2 2 3 2 8 2, I MOVE THAT WE LEAVE THE PUBLIC

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IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, UH, HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 21ST, SAY AYE.

ANY I HEARD? UH, IS THAT OKAY? A CALL? ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, WE'RE ON TO, UH, NUMBER, UH, 13.

UM, ANOTHER DISTRICT FOUR CASE IS MR. CLINTON HERE.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 99, AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF UPTON STREET BETWEEN EAST CLARATON DRIVE AND VIOLA STREET.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? PAUL CARDEN, UH, 2007 HARLANDALE AVENUE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 1 6.

I ACTUALLY HAD A PRESENTATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WANT TO GET THAT SET UP.

IT WAS MR. CLINTON.

DO WE HAVE A WAY TO GET HIS PRESENTATION UP? I THINK HONOR.

UM, SO JUST SOME CASE CONTEXT ON THIS ONE.

UM, SO THIS SITE IS ABOUT HALF AN ACRE, CURRENTLY ZONED REGIONAL RETAIL, UH, VACANT LOT DURING PEAK SEASON FOR THE ZOO.

OCCASIONALLY IT'S USED FOR KIND OF OVERFLOW PARKING.

UM, CURRENT REGIONAL RETAIL ZOO ZONING REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN MY OPINION.

UM, I COME FROM PRIMARILY RETAIL MIXED USE BACKGROUND.

UM, HIGHEST AND BEST USE WITH THE ZONING WOULD BE FOR A DRIVE THROUGH WHICH, UM, IS TYPICALLY SEEN AS A POOR LAND USE WITHIN 500 FEET OF A DART STATION AND A REGIONAL AMENITY, UM, IN A SIGNIFICANT GATEWAY TO THE COMMUNITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THIS TO MU TWO TO ALLOW FOR HOUSING AND FUTURE OFFICE, UH, USES IN A MIXED USE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.

SO THIS SITE, UH, AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY SMALL, HAS SOME CHALLENGES, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S CLOSE, UH, WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE DART RED LINE STATION, 500 FEET OF THE DALLAS SIOUX.

UM, I HAVE SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE WORKING THERE.

THEY'RE GONNA BE FOR LIKE OFFICE AND RETAIL USES ADJACENT AND ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WITH THIS WAS THAT IT'S THIS SITE BECAUSE OF THE OTHER INVESTMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE HISTORICALLY IN THIS AREA.

UM, THE CEDAR CREEK, IT WAS PRONE TO FLOODING.

UM, SO TO CREATE THIS AND TO SOLVE FOR THIS, I HAVE TO NOT ONLY GET THE ENTITLEMENTS, I ALSO HAVE TO WORK WITHIN MY ENGINEERING TEAM TO ESSENTIALLY PULL THIS OUT OF FLOOD, UM, TO ALLOW FOR, FOR HOUSING UNITS.

AND WHILE WE CAN'T DO ALL OF IT, WE CAN GET MOST OF IT.

UM, AND ALONG WITH THAT ALSO WORK ON ALLOWING FOR, YOU KNOW, 22 TO 26 HOUSING UNITS, THREE STORY BUILDING.

YOU COULD PLAN A TREE, IT'D BE BIGGER THAN IT.

UM, AND I'M TRYING TO FRAME THE STREET ALONG CLARATON VIOLA AS MUCH AS I CAN.

UM, REQUIRING MYSELF WITH SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS AND THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS OPENING OUT ONTO CLARATON, VIOLA.

UM, PARKING IS STORED ACTUALLY TO, UH, CLATON, UH, UPTON ON THE BUILDING.

BECAUSE THE SITE'S SO SMALL, IT'S HARD TO DO A FULL WRAPAROUND, LIKE ON ALL SIDES.

BUT I HAVE JUST ONE KIND OF ENTRANCE FOR THE PARKING FIELD TOWARDS, ON THE VIOLA SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, WE'RE ABLE TO PRESERVE THE TREES HERE AND WE'RE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FULL WRAPAROUND WITH, UM, WITH A, WITH THE, UM, SIDEWALK SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS.

UM, AND IT'S DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT AS THE AREA BECOMES MORE WALKABLE, THE INTENTION IS THAT FOR A SMALL PORTION OF IT TO BECOME CONVERTED TO OFFICE OR RETAIL.

BUT CURRENTLY EVEN WITH PARKING REGULATIONS, I CAN, I CAN PARK EITHER RETAIL OR HOUSING, BUT NOT BOTH.

AND RIGHT NOW WHAT THE AREA NEEDS MORE IS HOUSING.

UM, 'CAUSE I DO HAVE SOME STUFF I CAN DO FOR RETAIL AND OFFICE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS SITE IS SET UP FOR.

UM, AGAIN, HERE'S CONCEPTUAL OVERVIEW, KIND OF VIVID, JUST SO YOU GUYS SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE

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DETAIL.

UM, DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING BACK IN DECEMBER.

I LITERALLY GO DOOR TO DOOR.

UM, I KNOCK ON DOORS, SAY HELLO, HOST A MEETING WITH AN EIGHT MINUTE WALK OF THE SITE AND ACCESS TO TRANSIT FOR THE FLAT SURFACE LOT SO THAT ANYONE, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR MEANS WERE, WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTEND IT.

UM, HAD SOME FOOD THERE.

I THINK STAFF ATTENDED THERE AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE FOR LIKE THREE HOURS.

CALL, MOVE AROUND, YOU KNOW, JUST INTERACT WITH EVERYONE.

BUT I DO SO MANY PROJECTS IN THE AREA.

I PRETTY MUCH KIND OF KNOW EVERY, EVERYONE THERE.

SO, UM, I DIDN'T RUN INTO ANY OPPOSITION.

THEY KIND OF, THEY KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.

THEY KNOW THE HEIGHT.

UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, AGAIN, ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

UH, COMMISSIONER GARDNER.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM TODAY? DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY IN OPPOSITION? OKAY.

UH, QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARDIN? YES.

MR. CARIN, WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE TO THE SOUTH? UH, OR I GUESS THAT'S SOUTH OR MAYBE IT'S EAST, SOUTHEAST ACROSS.

UM, SO I'M AT A PARTNER IN THAT, IN THAT SITE.

THE GOAL IS TO REMOVE THE INDUSTRIAL USES AND CONVERT IT TO RETAIL AND OFFICE USES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARDIN? MR. CARDIN, DID YOU MENTION, UH, HOW MANY STORIES THIS UNIT'S GONNA BE? UH, YES.

THREE.

THREE STORIES.

OAK TREE'S ABOUT 50 FEET, SO IT'S GONNA BE SHORTER THAN A BIG OAK TREE.

ANY QUESTIONS? FURTHER? QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

UH, SCENE NONE.

UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'D LIKE TO ASK IN, IN THIS CASE, NUMBER TWO Z 2 23 2 29, THAT WE LEAVE THIS, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE 21ST.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

UM, I'D LIKE TO, I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT MOTION.

AND WE, WE HAVE NOBODY HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST US.

WE HAVE STAFF APPROVAL.

WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK AT THIS IN, IN CASES.

I UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, UH, WE HAVE NOT HAD A PLAN COMMISSIONER PRIOR TO, BUT THAT DOESN'T, NOT HAVING A PLAN COMMISSIONER DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T DO BUSINESS.

AND, AND WE ARE JUST CONTINUALLY PUNTING THINGS DOWN, BOGGING UP THE SYSTEM.

AND IN THIS CASE WHERE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOBODY HERE TO OPPOSE THIS, I BELIEVE THAT WE DO BUSINESS AND DISCUSS IT AND BRING THIS TO A CLOSE.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I KINDA SECOND THAT MOTION.

UM, THIS, WE ARE ALREADY FACING A HOUSING SHORTAGE.

UM, THIS PROJECT HAS WENT THROUGH SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, UM, THIS IS WORK THAT IS JUST NOT DONE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THIS APPLICANT IS AND IS, UH, THIS IS WANTED THROUGHOUT THAT WHOLE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND TO HOLD, THIS IS JUST FURTHER SIGNAL BACK, ESPECIALLY FOR A MONTH.

UM, WHEN EVERYTHING, THE, THE APPROVAL, THERE'S NO OPPOSITION AND THERE HAS BEEN CONTINUAL COMMUNITY INPUT.

THE COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY SPOKEN.

UM, AND THIS APPLICANT DOES WELL AT MAKING SURE THAT COMMUNITY HAS INPUT ON, ON THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS AND HAS CREATED A, A FACILITY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN A AREA THAT IS VERY, UM, THAT HAS LOW DENSITY, THAT NEEDS HIGH DENSITY, THAT NEEDS HOUSING IN A, IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN DISENFRANCHISED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS VERY MUCH, HAS BEEN WELCOMED IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND TO HOLD THIS CASE ANY FURTHER, IS IT, IT IT WOULD DO A INJUSTICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND I UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD A COMMISSIONER.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A COMMISSIONER SINCE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT THIS IS A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND THERE IS NOT ONE OPPOSITION HERE, UM, AT ALL.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I DO.

I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE NEW COMMISSIONER AND GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO GET ON HIS FEET AND LEARN HIS NEW DISTRICT AND LEARN THE PROJECTS.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE UNFAIR TO THROW HALF A DOZEN NEW PROJECTS AT 'EM ON THE FIRST DAY.

ALL THE PROCESS IT TAKES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO HERE THE FIRST DAY AND EXPECT HIM TO, TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO DOWN HERE AND KEEP ALL THE BALLS IN THE AIR THE WAY THAT WE ARE EXPECTED TO DO WITH THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TRAINING WE GET ON THE FIRST DAY.

SO I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT HIS MOTION.

MR. HERBERT, DO YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? YEAH, JUST QUICKLY.

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UM, I I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT A FRIENDLY MOTION FOR MARCH 7TH BECAUSE SOME OF, A LOT OF THE WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE AND I DON'T THINK TO CATCH UP, WE'LL TAKE UNTIL THE 21ST.

I WOULD ACCEPT, UH, MR. HERBERT'S MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY, UH, AMENDMENT TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HAVE THIS CASE HEARD AT THE MARCH 7TH HEARING.

I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS RATHER INFORMAL, BUT I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT , SO YEAH, HE ACCEPTED IT.

SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH THE SEVENTH.

UM, ANY, ANY MORE COMMENTS? IF NOT, THAT'S WAY BETTER.

WAY BETTER BECAUSE WE ARE, YEAH.

WE HAVE A FIVE WEEK MONTH INSTEAD OF A FOUR WEEK MONTH, SO, OKAY.

SEVENTH IS A LITTLE BETTER.

ALL IN FAVOR IS AYE A AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? NAY? WE HAVE ONE OPPOSITION.

MR. CHAIR? UH, YES, COMMISSIONER, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER NUMBER 12, PLEASE? UH, YES, YOU MAY.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS A, A, A, A NEW MOTION, I BELIEVE IN CASE NUMBER 12.

AND, AND JUST REAL BRIEFLY AS TO MY RATIONALE, I THINK THE APPLICANT ON THAT ONE MENTIONED THAT, THAT SHE'D BEEN IN THE QUEUE SINCE JUNE AND CAME DOWN IN JANUARY.

SO I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, BUT SHE'S ALSO BEEN A LONG, UH, YOU KNOW, WAITING A LONG TIME.

AND HOPEFULLY OVER THE NEXT THREE WEEKS, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH CAN, CAN GET TO WORK ON, ON, ON HIS CASES.

AND I KNOW SEVERAL OF US WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP HIM, YOU KNOW, TACKLE THESE, THESE CASES AS HE'S NEW, UM, MYSELF INCLUDED.

SO I THINK MARCH 7TH WOULD BE PROBABLY A BETTER OUTCOME FOR THAT ONE TOO.

I SEE.

SO, UH, THE MOTION IS ON, ON ITEM TO BACK UP ON ITEM 12 AND AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY MARCH THE SEVENTH INSTEAD OF MARCH THE 21ST.

MOTION TO CONSIDER.

I, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT THE, THE QUESTION IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE PROPOSAL COMMISSIONER RUBIN? I BELIEVE SO.

I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND THEN MAKE A, BUT THERE'LL BE A SECOND MOTION POTENTIALLY.

WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE HEARING YOU ON THIS END, SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU CAN HELP US WITH THERE, MAYBE IT JUST ME, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE JUST A MOTION TO RE RECONSIDER OR IF I NEED TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE MOTION TO, I'LL DEFER TO MR. MOORE ON HOW TO TACKLE THIS PROCEDURALLY.

YEAH, WE CAN, YOU CAN MOVE TO RECONSIDER, IT'S A MAJORITY VOTE THAT'S NON DEBATABLE.

IT CAN BE MADE BY YOU VICE CHAIR RUBIN, BECAUSE YOU WERE ON THE PREVAILING SIDE WHEN THE BODY FIRST CONSIDERED THE ITEM.

AND SO, UM, MR. UH, MILLER, WE, WE NEED A SECOND TO HIS MOTION, DO WE NOT? OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

SO, UM, HOLD ON.

SO IT'S A MOTION TO RELE? YES.

AND THAT GOES BY ? YEP.

WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND MIKE.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE MR. CHAIR, THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS A NON DEBATABLE, THAT'S MOTION, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

NOT DEBATABLE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

ANY OPPOSED? I DO.

WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION.

THREE IN OPPOSITION.

SO, UM, NOW WE GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER RUBIN TO MAKE HIS MOTION CORRECT OR ANY YEAH, I WOULD DEFER TO COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT IF HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO MAKE IT TOO.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, UH, IN THE CASE OF, UH, CASE NUMBER Z 2 2 3 2 8 2 TO, UH, ASK THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR AT LEAST LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HOLD IT OPEN UNTIL, UH, MARCH THE SEVENTH.

ON THAT MOTION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND

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I WOULD, IF, IF, UM, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THAT, I WOULD, AND THE APPLICANT WAS STILL HERE.

THE APPLICANT'S GONE.

IT'S UNFAIR TO PUT FOR HER TO, TO BE NOT HERE TO EVEN HEAR THAT WE CHANGE THE DATE AND TIME OF HER HEARING WHEN SHE'S ALREADY GONE AND SHE CAN'T HEAR THAT.

SO FOR THAT REASON, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THE DATE FROM, UM, THE 21ST TO THE SEVENTH, AND WHEN WE ALSO HAVE OTHER CASES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY HELD TO THE 21ST THAT WE ARE TELLING, UM, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, THE NEWEST COMMISSIONER THAT HE HAS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN MAYBE HE'S HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIS, HIS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO DO.

I, I JUST HAVE A CHALLENGE THAT HAS THIS BODY TELLING A, A BRAND NEW COMMISSIONER WHO I KNOW HAS HAD CONVERSATION WITH HIS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEMAN AND IS DOING WHAT THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

I THINK WE'RE PUTTING COMMISSIONER FORSYTH IN A DIFFICULT POSITION.

IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY LEFT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE BEHIND AND WE NEED TO KEEP THINGS MOVING, BUT WE'RE WASTING TIME RIGHT NOW.

MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN? YEAH, FIRST OFF, IT'S, IT'S THREE WEEKS.

IT'S, IT'S NOT TWO LARGE TYPICAL BREAKS BETWEEN MEETINGS.

UM, CERTAINLY I WOULD HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, WHAT I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE AND, AND HAVE IT READY FOR MARCH 7TH.

BUT IF NOT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE HELD AGAIN UNTIL THE 21ST.

AND YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING I'LL NOTE IS I THINK COMMISSIONER FOR VICE SHARED CONTACT INFORMATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND EVERY APPLICANT SUBMITS THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION WHEN THEY FILE A CASE, IT'S NOT HARD TO GET SO WE CAN GET IT FROM STAFF.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

AND IF THE APPLICANT HAS A CONCERN ABOUT MARCH 7TH, AGAIN, IT BE HELD THE 21ST.

SO I REALIZE THAT THE SECOND, YOU KNOW, THE SEVENTH IS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING COMMISSIONER FORSYTH TO DO SOME HARD WORK BEFORE FOR THAT MEETING, BUT IT DISTRICT FOUR HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A LITTLE BIT, UNFORTUNATELY AND CALLED PEACE EAGER AND READY TO GET GOING ON ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT, THAT THERE IS TO BE DONE IN THAT DISTRICT.

SO COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT RATHER ONLY THAT, UH, SINCE MY NAME WAS BROUGHT UP, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO AND I APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION, UH, LORI AND MELISSA, BUT I'M HAPPY TO, TO, UH, ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, UH, AT THE MEETING ON THE SEVENTH.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS MORE THAN, UH, SHE WAS, SHE DEFINITELY SAID THAT SHE WOULD WANT THIS TO MOVE ALONG A LITTLE BIT FASTER.

SO I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SHE WOULD, IN HINDSIGHT THINK THAT THIS US CHANGING THE DATE WOULD BE BETTER FOR HER BECAUSE SHE WANTED THE DATE TODAY.

SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, I I I TEND TO FOLLOW OUR, OUR COMMISSIONERS AND I DO JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP ON A BACKLOG OF CASES.

THERE ARE FOUR DISTRICT FOUR CASES, TWO OF WHICH ARE ALREADY PLANNED TO BE ACTED ON TODAY.

WE WERE ASKED TO HOLD THREE IF COMMISSIONER FORSYTH FEELS LIKE HE CAN GET THOSE, YOU KNOW, DONE, TWO OF THEM DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY, I THINK THAT IS FANTASTIC.

BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE, I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN APPOINTED JUST OVER A WEEK.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE IS JUMPING IN WITH BOTH FEET AND WE SHOULD GIVE HIM SOME DEFERENCE AS HE IS TRYING TO MANAGE ALL THE CASES AND LEARN NEW PROCESSES.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION IF THIS IS WHAT HE FEELS IS BEST FOR HIS DISTRICT.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES, I'LL BE SUPPORTING, UH, THE COMMISSIONER AS WELL, BUT I WANTED TO BE S UH, SURE THAT THE, THE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS HERE IS NOT HERE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND THE PRESENTATION BEFORE IT WAS CLEAR THAT THERE WAS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THERE WAS SOME WORK BEING DONE AND WE COULDN'T GET THAT HERE.

UM, BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING YOU IN ANYTHING YOU NEED IN BETWEEN HERE AND THEN.

THANK, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED?

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UH, WHICH WOULD BE TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL THE 7TH OF MARCH.

OKAY, SO THAT WAS RECONSIDERATION OF 12.

WE ARE ON TO 14 C 2 23 DASH 3 0 0.

MR. BATE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

ITEM 14 IS CASE Z 2 23 DASH 300.

AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF HENDRICKS AVENUE, EAST OF SOUTH DENLEY DRIVE.

THANK YOU AS APPLICANT HERE.

DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME, UH, JUST A FEW REMARKS.

UM, JACK ROW 37 59 BOULEVARD DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

UM, I DON'T HAVE A A PLANNED SPEECH, UM, BUT I'M HERE JUST TO SAY I'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

UH, THIS HAS BEEN A PASSION PROJECT FOR ME.

UM, AND LOCAL, UH, OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE INVESTED AND CARE ABOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE HOUSING CRISIS WE'RE IN.

UM, I'M A MILLENNIAL, IF YOU CAN'T TELL, UH, I FEEL IT VISCERALLY.

UM, THE COST OF LIVING HAS INCREASED A LOT FASTER THAN WAGES AND THINGS.

UH, SO MY, THIS BEING A PASSION PROJECT, THE IDEA IS THAT I DON'T OWN ALL ALL THE LOTS, RIGHT? BUT I OWN ONE LOT.

AND IT HAPPENS TO BE LOCATED WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE EASY WALK TO, UH, A DART STATION.

IT'S CLOSE TO THIS NEW DECK PARK.

UH, IT'S RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE ZOO.

UM, IT'S CLOSE TO A STREET THAT HAS COMMERCIAL POTENTIAL.

UM, SO IT'S A VERY NICE PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S BEEN SITTING VACANT PROBABLY BEFORE I WAS BORN.

UM, THERE'S NO SIGN THAT THERE'S EVER BEEN A BUILDING THERE.

UH, SO MY IDEA IS TO HELP OFFSET THE COST OF LAND BY BUILDING TWO UNITS, WHICH GIVES ME MORE FLEXIBILITY TO INVEST THOSE SAVINGS FROM THE LAND BASIS INTO THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE TWO NICE HOUSING UNITS FOR AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN DISINVESTED TO DATE.

UM, THAT'S MY IDEA BEHIND THIS.

UH, AND IF I HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

AND THEN MY CONSULTANT HERE, RICK, CAN SPEAK TO TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AS WELL.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION? WELL, I, I'LL SPEAK ALONGSIDE HIM.

I'M, UH, RICK ADAMSKI 7 0 1 ELSBETH, UH, DALLAS, 7 5 2 0 8.

UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK THAT, UH, JACK AND I, UH, CRAFTED TOGETHER AS WELL AS I, I SPOKE TO CITY STAFF TO KIND OF CRAFT WHAT THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THIS WAS IN A WAY THAT BALANCED, UM, SORT OF THE, THE, THE NEED THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED IN THE PLAN TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND UNITS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFERENT TYPES OF UNITS, A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABILITY WITH THE, UH, SENSITIVITY TO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, WITH THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE WITH THE DUPLEXES, THERE WOULD BE 20 FEET SETBACKS, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT'S IN, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY.

UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE HEIGHT AND THE BULK WILL BE VERY CONSISTENT, UM, WITH GENERALLY WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IT WON'T BE DISRUPTIVE, UH, THAT IT WILL BE EASY TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY AMOUNT OF PARKING ON SITE, AND THAT IT WILL BE, UM, A, A, A VERY STRONG NET ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S, UM, MY HOPE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ALL RIGHT.

UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOPE.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? EXCUSE ME? YEAH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

A LOT OF, OF, UH, OF THEM ASKING US TO, TO SHOW UP FOR MEETINGS.

UM, IN EITHER MR. ROW OR MR. ATKI, UM, WE SAW A RENDERING THAT YOU ALL HAD, UM, CIRCULATED, HOWEVER, THIS IS BASE ZONING.

UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW, UM, YOUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND HOW YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS REQUEST AS A BASE ZONING CHANGE? WE APPROVE IT, YOU COMPLY WITH THE ENVELOPE.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT WAS REVIEW WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT YOUR, UM, INPUT WAS THAT YOU HAD RECEIVED? CORRECT.

SO, UM, WE DID REACH OUT TO BOTH OF THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, UH, IN THE AREA AND DID RECEIVE, UM, RESPONSES, UM, FROM THE LEADERS OF BOTH, UH, UH, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS.

UM, WE HAD OFFERED TO, TO MAKE SOME MEETINGS AND THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE, UM, NECESSARILY

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UM, BUT WE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND, AND SHOWED IT TO THEM AND, AND WERE CERTAINLY, UM, OPEN TO, UM, WHATEVER MEETINGS WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND, AND TRIED TO SPEAK INFORMALLY TO SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, UM, AS WELL.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE SPECIFIC DESIGN ELEMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED THINGS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE APPLICANT IS VERY DEDICATED TO HAVING SOME HIGH QUALITY DESIGNS.

UM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT THE SPECIFIC DESIGN THAT WE CAME UP WITH, THAT THAT'S AN ARCHITECT THAT HE'S USED BEFORE, BUT AS WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, I THINK ONE IMPORTANT THING IS, UM, THAT THERE'S A BUILDING ENVELOPE THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO A HIGH QUALITY DESIGN, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE TO COME WITH A, UM, A SPECIFIC DESIGN, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO POTENTIALLY HAVE A, A, YOU KNOW, A BROKEN PROBLEM.

NOT THAT OUR, THE APPLICANT WOULD DO THAT, BUT AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC DESIGN THAT DOESN'T REALLY BIND YOU TO ANYTHING.

UM, SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE, UM, WILL HELP TO ENSURE THAT IT'S WITHIN AN ENVELOPE AND THAT IT'S NOT DISRUPTIVE TO THE, THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE THINK THAT'S MORE, THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER THAN, THAN SAYING THIS WILL BE A SPECIFIC DESIGN THAT WE HAVE AS WE DISCUSSED.

WELL, AND THANK YOU.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'D ASKED WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS, WE DID HAVE TWO RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION.

SO IT WAS JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND SOME CONTEXT AROUND THAT.

THERE WERE NO COMMENTS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YEAH, WE, WE DEFINITELY DID THE BEST TO, TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO.

CAN, CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP TO THAT PLEASE? UM, YES, I'VE JUST BEEN ALERTED THAT THERE IS A PRESENTATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.

DO YOU WISH US TO SHOW THAT? OR IS WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE? UM, WE, WE HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION.

I DON'T THINK WE, UH, WE NECESSARILY NEED TO SHOW IT.

UM, THERE'S NOT ANY PRETTY PICTURES ON IT.

IF THAT'S WHAT, OKAY.

EXACTLY, YEAH.

I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS JUST, JUST DIDN'T, DIDN'T WANT RUN BY THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE.

UH, SO COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO YOU INDICATE THAT YOU, UH, DID ATTEND A COMMUNITY MEETING? UM, NO, SIR.

WE, UH, WE REACHED OUT TO BOTH OF THE, UM, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, LEADERS FOR THE, THE BRENTWOOD AND THE ZOO CREEK PARK, UM, ASSOCIATIONS.

UM, WE RECEIVED RESPONSES FROM THEM THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED IT.

UM, WE DID, UH, BUT WE DIDN'T, THERE WAS NO, WE OFFERED TO SET UP A MEETING, BUT THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY MEETINGS SET.

SO YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, YAY OR NAY? NO, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IN EITHER WAY.

CAN I ENTER INTO A RECORD, UH, AN EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE BENTWOOD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS BEING, UH, UH, PROPOSED COMMISSIONER.

UM, THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE, THE, THE HOA AND THOSE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS ARE BEYOND THE SCOPE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DURING THE ORIENTATION, BUT THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF, UH, CPC.

CAN I AT LEAST ENTER INTO THE RECORD THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT INDICATED TO ME THAT THEY ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? UH, THAT SHOULD BE ON THE RECORD.

UH, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, WHAT IS YOUR, UH, PROVISION FOR PARKING? IS THERE A PROVISION FOR ONSITE PARKING WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT? THE, UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT BY THE CODE WILL REQUIRE, UH, FOUR SPACES OF ONSITE PARKING.

SO IN ORDER TO GET, UM, PERMITTING THROUGH ON THIS, WE WILL HAVE, UH, FOUR SPACES ON, ON OF ONSITE PARKING.

UM, THE PLAN IS TO HAVE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH A LOT OF THE DESIGNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS TO HAVE AN ADJACENT DRIVEWAY AND TO SIMPLY PUT THE FOUR SPACES OF REQUIRED PARKING IN THE BACK, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN THE CONTINUITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, UH, OR DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MR, FOR I I, CAN I, UH, ASK, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, IF SHE COULD ASK ABOUT THE, THE REAR PARKING, 'CAUSE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE BREATHING EARLIER TODAY.

PLEASE ASK THAT.

IT'S NICE THAT SOMEONE SENT YOU, UM, UH, OPPOSITION.

YOU BE, I'M GONNA ASK THAT.

UM, IN THAT, THE, THE PRETTY PICTURE THAT WE GOT, OKAY.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT FIRST YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO A, A DRIVEWAY AND PARKING IN THE REAR AND THAT A, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE ACCESS TO PARK IS GOING TO BE FROM THE FRONT, OR IS IT GOING TO BE FROM THE ALLEY, THE UNAPPROVED ALLEY IN THE BACK? IT'S NOT A FUNCTIONAL ALLEY.

YEAH, TO YOUR POINT, UM, THAT RENDERING, I REGRET SENDING, IT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF MY PERSONAL ARCHITECTURAL TASTE.

UM, IT'S, I'M NOT AND MARRIED TO ANY SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURE AND, AND

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I WISH THEY WOULD ENGAGE WITH US AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

UM, THE IDEA IS TO DO A SIDE LONG DRIVE, BASICALLY WRAPPING AROUND TO THE BACK.

BUT A AGAIN, IT'S NOT, SO THIS IS ZONING.

IT'S NOT A SITE PLAN MEETING.

SO WE CAN SO DO, BUT OKAY.

I, I AM, I, I UNDERSTAND.

SO, BUT THAT DOES, WHAT, WHAT THAT MEAN? THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A DUPLEX WITH THE, THE, SO THAT THE SETBACKS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS ON THE GROUND TODAY, AND YOU DO, AND YOU'RE GOING TO USE A DRIVEWAY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE REAR ACCESS, WILL YOU HAVE IT, WILL THAT MEAN THE BACKYARD WOULD BE ALL CONCRETE? OR WOULD YOU STILL HAVE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PARK FOUR CARS? WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOME, YOU KNOW, CARS THEY WOULD HAVE, BUT UP TO FOUR, YEAH.

YOU WILL NEED FOUR PARKING SPACES, ONSITE PARKING SPACES, RIGHT.

IN THAT DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS TODAY.

SO DO YOU HAVE THE SPACE IN THE BACK TO PARK FOUR CARS BASED ON TODAY'S PARKING REQUIREMENTS? ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S A, IT'S A EXCEPTIONALLY DEEP LOT NOW.

THEY DEVELOP LOTS THAT ARE 30 TO 40 FEET SHALLOWER THAN THIS.

IT'S EVEN BECAUSE OF ITS AGE, IT'S 144 FEET, I BELIEVE, DEEP.

SO THERE IS MORE ROOM TO WORK FROM A SITE PERSPECTIVE THAN IS TYPICAL AND WHAT YOU SEE IN ALL THESE SUBDIVISIONS GOING UP NOW.

AND IF I MAY ADD THAT, SINCE I'VE TAKEN A LOOK, UM, UH, AT THE, AT THE AERIAL ANTICIPATION OF THIS QUESTION, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT WITHIN, OH, APOLOGIES, COMMISSIONER, UH, IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS QUESTION, I, I JUST TOOK A LOOK AT SOME OF THE AERIALS IN ADDITION TO KIND OF LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THEMSELVES.

UM, AND, UH, ESPECIALLY, UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK IN THE AREA, THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE FOUR SPACES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT TAKES UP A PRETTY SMALL AMOUNT OF THE OVERALL LOT.

UH, SO, UM, BEING ABLE TO, TO PARK FOUR, UM, SHOULD NOT BE A, UH, A CHALLENGE OR TAKE UP A, A, A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE BACK LOT.

THERE'D STILL BE ROOM FOR A YARD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? BUT ON THAT POINT, WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY? THE LOT? WHAT'S A 50 FOOT? 50 FOOT WHAT? 50 FOOT FRONTAGE? YEAH.

SO I MEAN, IS THERE ROOM TO DO THE SIDE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY GOING TO THE SIDE, UH, EVEN WITH A DUPLEX UNIT? YEAH.

UH, THE, THE DESIGN IS HAPPENS AFTER, RIGHT? BUT YEAH, I MEAN, YOU, IT'S A CREATIVE BUSINESS ARCHITECTURE, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S A DESIRABLE, NICE PRODUCT THAT CAN MEET ALL OF THE, UH, BUILDING CODES AND SUBDIVISIONS REGULATIONS IS, I COULDN'T DO IT ANY OTHER WAY, FRANKLY.

THE CITY HAS VERY STRICT RULES ABOUT WHAT IS ALLOWED TO GET BUILT.

AND THIS IS A SINGLE STORY, UH, BUILDING.

UH, IT'S NOT A BUILDING.

I'M, THIS IS FOR ZONING.

WELL, I MEAN, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT IT WOULD BE MAYBE TWO STORIES, 1800 TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET, KIND OF A ENTRY LEVEL NICE HOME FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO BUY INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IT IS TWO STORY THEN YOU'RE PROPOSING, YOU'RE PLANNING.

I I IT'S PUT IN THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT YES, IT, IT COULD BE, IDEALLY IT WOULD BE TWO STORY TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR EACH UNIT.

IS IN THE TH THREE DISTRICT FOR A DUPLEX STRUCTURE.

AND, AND, UH, IS THIS A QUESTION FOR STAFF? UH, WHY IS THIS BEING ZONED FOR TOWN, UH, UH, TOWN HOME TWO INSTEAD OF FOR DUPLEX? LET'S HOLD THAT FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

JUST LET'S CONCLUDE OUR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, MR. FOR I, NOW WE CAN GO TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

IF YOU WANNA ASK THAT LAST QUESTION.

IF, IF TO REPEAT MYSELF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO MOVE THIS FROM R FIVE ZONING TO, UH, TOWN HOME TO ZONING? WHY, WHY NOT MOVE IT TO JUST DUPLEX ZONING AND TO KEEP IT IN THAT RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, UH, PLACE TYPE, IF YOU WILL, OR LAND USE TYPE? CERTAINLY.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

UH, THE REASON THAT WE WENT OR, UH, THE APPLICANT WANTED TO GO WITH TH THREE AND THEN WE SUPPORTED IT.

I DID LOOK AT THE DUPLEX ZONING ORIGINALLY.

COULD YOU SPEAK UP PLEASE A LITTLE BIT? CERTAINLY.

UH, I DID LOOK AT THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT AS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE.

THE MAIN CONSIDERATION FOR CONTINUING FORWARD WITH THE TH THREE INSTEAD, OR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR TH THREE IS THAT THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT, THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS ARE IDENTICAL TO WHAT

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AND THE FRONT YARD SETBACK OF A DUPLEX DISTRICT IS 25 FEET RATHER THAN 20 FEET.

THAT'S WOULD BE ENFORCED BY THE R FIVE DISTRICT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED HERE, IS THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT, WHERE THE PREDOMINANT OR MOST RESTRICTIVE BLOCK FACE, OR SORRY, THE MOST RESTRICTIVE FRONT YARD SETBACK IN A DISTRICT, IS WHAT APPLIES TO EVERYTHING ON THAT BLOCK.

IF THIS BECAME A DUPLEX DISTRICT, IT WOULD REQUIRE A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK ON ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THAT BLOCK FACE.

WHEREAS WITH THE TH THREE DISTRICT, SINCE THE R FIVE DISTRICT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE, IT REQUIRES 20 FEET VERSUS THE ZERO FEET MINIMUM OF TH THREE, IT THEN MAKES THE FRONT OF THE TH THREE DISTRICT MEET THE SAME CONTINUITY THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU SELECTED THE TOWN HOME, UH, FOR THE SETBACK? CORRECT.

DOES THE, UH, TOWN HOME, UH, THE TOWN HOME ALSO ALLOWS FOR TWO STORY, WHEREAS THE, THE, THE, THE DUPLEX WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR TWO STORY, RIGHT? UH, NO.

BOTH OF THEM ALLOW THE SAME MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 36 FEET DUPLEX AND TOWNHOUSE DISTRICTS.

AND THERE'S NO MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STORIES FOR EITHER, UH, DISTRICT.

BUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL THE HOMES ARE SINGLE STORY HOMES, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, NO, THERE'S TWO STORY HOMES BUILT IN THE PAST THREE YEARS ON THAT STREET, ON THAT BLOCK.

LOOKING AT MY SITE PHOTOS, FROM WHAT I SAW IT, I THINK IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT IS PERHAPS A LITTLE LOWER, BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE, I THINK THERE ARE SOME NEARBY AS WHILE THERE ARE, ARE, I'LL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN THERE.

I, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.

I WAS SAYING THAT LOOKING AT MY SITE PHOTOS, IT APPEARS THERE'S A AMOUNT OF SINGLE STORY AND POSSIBLY TWO STORY.

IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL WITH HOW SOME OF THESE ARE SET UP, BUT I'LL DEFER TO YOUR, UH, OBSERVATION.

IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE STORY FOLKS.

UM, WE'RE AT PAST QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

WE'RE NOW OUTTA QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SO WE, WE CAN'T HEAR FURTHER COMMENT FROM YOU, UNFORTUNATELY.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I THOUGHT WE KINDA ACCIDENTALLY JUMPED INTO STAFF QUESTIONS 'CAUSE WE WERE, I I CALLED STAFF QUESTIONS.

OH, I HAD, DIDN'T HAD MY HAND UP FOR THE APPLICANT AND I I NEVER WAS TALKING, SORRY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IN CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 DASH 300, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE APPLICANT TO RETURN WITH A NEW APPLICATION ALLOWING THE APPLICANT TO RETURN, RETURN WITH A NEW APPLICATION.

WOULD A DEFERRAL BE POSSIBLE WITH THIS? THERE IS NO, IT'S NOT TIME.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM YOU.

WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING OUR, OUR VOTE HERE.

OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION.

I DO NOT SEE A SECOND YET.

I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? MR. RUBIN? UM, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO DENY THIS ONE WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

UM, THIS ONE FEELS LIKE THERE'S STILL SOME BAKING TO DO ON IT.

WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, A FEW OTHER CASES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS WHERE THERE'S SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO ADD IN A DUPLEX USING TH THREE ZONING, AND WE FOUND WAYS TO MAKE IT WORK IN OTHER DISTRICTS WITH SOME PRETTY SIMPLE, UM, G RESTRICTIONS THAT ADDRESS THINGS LIKE HEIGHT AND OTHER THINGS THAT POTENTIALLY MAKE THE DUPLEX MORE COMPATIBLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT THE D FOUR COMMISSIONER WAS RECENTLY APPOINTED, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS NEEDS TO COME UP BY ANY MEANS ON, ON MARK VI OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE BEST IF WE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO SIT DOWN AT THE DRAWING BOARD ON THIS ONE AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND A WAY, UM, TO, TO MAKE THIS ONE WORK WITH SOME, SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS.

UM, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING, UM, COMMISSIONER STEIN'S COMMENT THAT HE WANTS TO DENY IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND SUCCESS, THAT THEY MIGHT COME BACK WITH A NEW APPLICATION.

WE'VE ALREADY HAVE THEM HERE, THEY'VE PAID THEIR FEE, UM, FOR THE ZONING APPLICATION.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, IN MY VIEW, BEST AND MOST EFFICIENT TO GIVE THEM A SHOT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS A LITTLE BIT AND SEE IF WE CAN MOLD THIS INTO SOMETHING THAT IS AGREEABLE TO, UM, YOU, THE COMMISSIONER, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND THE APPLICANT THAT, THAT WE CAN FIND A WIN-WIN WIN HERE.

SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO DENY.

AND I ALSO, I'M GONNA GO WITH UH, UH, COM VICE CHAIR, UM, RUBEN, UM, FOR ONE THERE WAS 30 PEOPLE NOTIFIED AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE OPPOSITION TO OUT OF 30 PEOPLE, THAT WAS QUITE A BIT OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO, THERE WERE.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER

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OKAY, SO TWO OUTTA 30 WERE NOT, DID NOT OPPOSE, I MEAN, TWO OPPOSED.

28 DID NOT.

I WANNA SAY 29, IT WAS 29, SO I'M GONNA SAY 27.

DID NOT.

AND TO JUST CLOSE IT TO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT THERE IS MIXED HOUSING, MIXED STORIES, THERE IS, UM, RIGHT, WE HAVE SOMETHING WE CONSIDER RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER THAT'S TOWN HALL HOUSE.

THERE IS APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING UP, SMALL SCALE APARTMENTS IN THAT AREA.

AND TO CLOSE IT WITHOUT FURTHER, UM, UM, US LOOKING INTO IT FURTHER WOULD, WOULD BE A INJUSTICE.

ESPECIALLY IN THE TIME THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH A DENSITY ISSUE.

THIS KIND OF FITS THERE.

THEY JUST MIGHT NEED TO RE RECONFIGURE SOME THINGS, BUT TO CLOSE IT RIGHT NOW WOULD JUST BE AN INJUSTICE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH.

GIVEN THE COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONER WHOSE DISTRICT THIS IS IN, I ALSO HAVING TROUBLE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, IT DOES SEEM LIKE HOLDING THIS OVER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO SEE IF THERE'S A SOLUTION TO BE FOUND WOULD BE MUCH, UH, BETTER USE OF EVERYONE'S RESOURCES THAN DENYING THIS AND HAVING THIS APPLICANT START ALL OVER AGAIN, PARTICULARLY SINCE IT WOULD LIKELY BE A YEAR BEFORE THEY COULD COME BACK.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENTS OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

UM, WOULD YOU POTENTIALLY ENTERTAIN A, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO KEEP THIS MATTER? KEEP THE HEARING OPEN UNTIL I THINK THIS IS A MARCH 21ST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.

I WILL, I WILL ACCEPT THAT.

UH, MR. MILLER.

IT, I MEAN IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN THE MOTION.

IS THAT REALLY A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? DO WE NEED TO WITHDRAW A MOTION? IT, IT'S NOT REALLY, UH, IT DOES ALTER THE MOTION, BUT I THINK TO COMM COMMISSIONER TREAD WAY'S, UH, POINT A MOTION TO HOLD TO A TIME CERTAIN TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE MAIN MOTION.

MOTION.

SO THAT'S HOW I WOULD CONSIDER COMMISSIONER TREADWAY IS NOT REALLY AN AMENDMENT, IT'S, IT'S ITS OWN MOTION TO HOLD.

SO COMMISSIONER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SECOND MY MOTION TO HOLD IT TO MARCH 21ST? I, I SECOND YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.

AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS A COMMENT.

NO, I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, I DO SUPPORT THE, UM, THE NEW, UM, MOTION.

I, I THINK THE ISSUES HERE ARE RESOLVABLE, SO I I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE THE CASE JUST, YOU KNOW, DENIED AND I, I'M THINKING TO MY MIND DUE RESTRICTIONS THAT, THAT ENSURE SOME CONTEXT SENSITIVITY WOULD BE ONE AVENUE THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY LOOK AT.

UM, I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND, UM, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH'S, UM, REASON FOR HIS MOTION.

IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY CONTENTIOUS, UM, ITEM IN, IN HIS DISTRICT AND MINE AS WELL, AND PUTTING MULTIFAMILY IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL OR, OR EVEN ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, SO I DEFINITELY GET IT.

SO I HOPE THAT, UH, RESOLUTION CAN BE PASSED AND I'LL SUPPORT THE, THE SECOND MOTION.

UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL VOTE ON THAT ON THE NEW MOTION TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE 21ST OF MARCH.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

OKAY, WE'RE THANK YOU.

NUMBER ITEM NUMBER 15.

UM, MR. CLINTON, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 15, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 3.

AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 2 7 8 FOR AN EXTENDED HOURS HISTORIC HOUSE, MUSEUM AND MEETING SPACE AND FUNDRAISING ON PROPERTY ZONED AREA G WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 63, THE SWISS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH H ONE SWISS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE EAST CORNER OF SWISS AVENUE AND PARK MOD STREET STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.

IN 2018, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND, UH, OPTIONS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THIS HOUSE.

MR. CLINTON.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE, SIR? YOU WISH TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS ROB BALDWIN, OFFICER 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTATIVE DALLAS COUNTY MEDICAL ALLIANCE FOUNDATION, WHO THE OWNERS AND OPERATORS OF THE ALDRIDGE HOUSE HISTORIC HOUSE MUSEUM ON SWISS AVENUE.

UM,

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THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ALLOWS THE HOUSE TO BE A HISTORIC HOUSE MUSEUM AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO OCCUPY IT BEFORE FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.

THE SUP IS ALLOWS THE THE HOUSE TO BE OCCUPIED FOR A LIMITED NUMBERS OF DAYS PER YEAR AFTER 5:00 PM WE ARE ASKING FOR THE SUP TO BE RENEWED, UH, WITH NO CHANGES.

WE HAVE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME.

THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2018.

WE CAME BACK AT 2021 AND HERE WE ARE 2024 ASKING FOR, UH, ANOTHER, UH, RENEWAL.

UM, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE PD AND SUP ARE VERY TIGHT, VERY SPECIFIC, AND A RESULT OF, UH, MARATHON NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE OWNERS AND OPERATORS OF THE HOUSE.

UH, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE EVERYBODY BEHIND US WHO ARE SUPPORTERS.

IF YOU RAISE YOUR HAND AND, AND SAY THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY'RE NOT ALL GONNA SPEAK, UH, SO THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME SUPPORTERS SPEAK.

BUT, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.

UH, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES AT ALL.

WE JUST WOULD LIKE OUR SUP BEER NUDES THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, LIMITED EVENING MEETINGS AT THE HOUSE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN.

MS. TREAD WHITE.

WELL, I DID NOT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS NOW.

YEAH, YEAH, .

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I'M JAMES HEATHCOTT.

I LIVE AT 55 0 7 BRYAN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 6.

UH, MY WIFE, DEBORAH, AND EXCUSE ME, AND I HAVE LIVED IN THE, UH, SWISS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR SEVEN YEARS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY NEAR NEIGHBORS TO THE, UH, ALDRIDGE HOUSE, AND WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE SUP.

UM, I HAND DELIVERED OUR, OUR GREEN SLIP PRIOR TO THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, UM, THE DAY BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DELIVERED IT AT 3 21 AND IT WAS DUE AT NOON, SO IT DIDN'T GET COUNTED, BUT IT'S IN SOMEWHERE, STAMPED IN.

BUT, UM, ANYWAY, THE ALDERS HOUSE HAS CONTINUED TO BE, UM, HAS, HAS BEEN AND CON AND CONTINUES TO BE A CON, A CONTRIBUTING NEIGHBOR TO NOT ONLY THE DISTRICT, BUT SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND ALSO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE, TO THE DISTRICT, WELCOMED NEW NEIGHBORS AND OPENED THEIR HOUSE FREELY.

IN THE SEVEN YEARS THAT WE HAVE LIVED IN THE DISTRICT, THERE'S NOT BEEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE THERE'S BEEN AN INCONVENIENCE OR A DISTURBANCE CAUSED BY THE ALDRIDGE HOUSE.

TRULY, WE ARE, WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE THE ALDRIDGE HOUSE AND THE ALLIANCE AS NEAR NEIGHBORS.

THE SUP DICTATES OUR HOURS, THE NUMBER OF EVENTS.

ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT? HI, I AM DR.

SANDY BROTHERS, 9 5 0 B ROCKDALE PARK ROAD, LUCAS, TEXAS 7 5 0 0 2.

AND MY HUSBAND, I'M MIKE HOL.

UH, SAME ADDRESS FOR NOW.

UH, SANDY AND I, SANDY AND I, SANDY AND I ARE BOTH PHYSICIANS.

AND SO WE, WE'VE, WE'RE, WE'RE THE CURRENT CO-PRESIDENTS OF THE DALLAS COUNTY MEDICAL SOCIETY OF ALLIANCE.

WE ALSO LIVED ON SWISS AVENUE FOR OVER 22 YEARS.

WE JUST MOVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

IT WAS TIME FOR US TO DOWNSIZE.

WE MOVED OUT.

SO WE DO KNOW MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS AND WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

PRIOR TO FILING THIS SUP, WE INVITED AND HOSTED THE NEAR NEIGHBORS TO THE ALDRICH HOUSE FOR DISCUSSION.

WE MADE IT CLEAR AT THAT MEETING THAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO MAKE NO CHANGES TO OUR SUP.

AND WE DID THIS BEFORE WE EVEN FILED MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING BILL AND MANY OTHERS, VOICED THEIR APPROVAL.

NO ONE STOOD IN OPPOSITION AT THE TIME.

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IT ALLOWS OUR NON-PROFIT TO FUNDRAISE FOR OUR HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP, UH, PRESERVE THE HOUSE, PROVIDE THE PROGRAMS THAT WE DO.

AND THIS IS JUST AS WE'VE DONE FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS.

UM, WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD, THERE HAVE BEEN NO VIOLATIONS OR COMPLAINTS FILED WITH THE CITY ABOUT OUR ACTIVITIES.

THE ALDRIDGE HOUSE IS A CULTURAL ASSET AND IT SERVES THE COMMUNITY THROUGH ITS ROLE AS A HISTORIC HOUSE MUSEUM.

FROM OUR MEDICAL OUTREACH AND EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY PROGRAM CELEBRATING THE HISTORY, WE ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT TO RENEW THIS SUP, WHICH PROVIDES AN INVALUABLE RESOURCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND WE'D LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR HER HELP, AND THANK ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

MY NAME IS MARK ALRICH.

UH, I LIVE AT 31 33 GREENBRIER, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 5.

UH, I'M A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OF THE CITY OF UNIVERSITY PARK.

UM, I'M ALSO, UH, THE GRANDSON OF RENA MUNGER ALDRIDGE.

AND I'M HERE TO ASK YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE SUP FOR THE ALTER HOUSE.

I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE RENEWAL BECAUSE I, I FEEL IT CONTINUES TO FULFILL MY GRANDMOTHER'S WISHES TO KEEP THE HOUSE OPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THE ALLIANCE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF COMPLYING WITH THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH BY THE SUP, AND I'VE ASKED FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE RENEWAL.

ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT? ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY.

UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.

NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. RIDLEY, THIS IS JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

SO WHEN WE SAY IT'S APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS, THERE ARE NO UNDERLYING CONDITIONS CHANGING.

IT'S SIMPLY THAT WE ARE CHANGING THE THREE YEAR PERIOD.

IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT.

JUST NEED NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

I'LL ASK COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IF SHE HAS A MOTION.

I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF, HMM, , THANK YOU.

OH, HERE IT'S, SORRY.

Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 3, MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES.

UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, TIME LIMIT, INSTEAD OF THREE YEARS, A MOVE THAT WE CHANGED IT TO FIVE YEARS.

AND REGARDING ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ACTIVITY REPORTS, I MOVE THAT THE, UH, MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORTS FILED WITH THE DISTRICT 14 CITY COUNCIL OFFICE AND THE QUARTERLY REPORTS FILED WITH PRESERVATION DALLAS, UM, BE CONTEMPORANEOUSLY PUBLISHED ON THE HOUSE'S MUSEUM WEBSITE, UH, WHERE IT SHALL BE KEPT AT NO COST TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE DURATION OF THE TERM OF THE SUP, WHICH I UNDERSTAND HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DONE.

WITH THAT, I OFFER NO OTHER CHANGES.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.

WE HAD A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

AND SO, UH, COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

THE COMMUNITY AND FOSTER A BETTER RELATIONSHIP GOING FORWARD BETWEEN THIS ORGANIZATION AND THE SURROUNDING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR WORKING WITH ME IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND FOR THE, UM, EFFORTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE TO TRY TO BRIDGE THE GAP.

UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THIS HOUSE AND THE HISTORY, UM, OF THE RELATIONS BETWEEN SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THIS ORGANIZATION.

UM, AND FRANKLY, I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED BY THE AMOUNT OF OPPOSITION WE GOT, UM, IN THE NEAR NEIGHBORS WHEN WE GOT THE, UH, BALLOTS BACK THE LAST TIME, WHICH IS WHY I HELD IT.

AND WHILE I DON'T THINK THAT ALL PROBLEMS ARE FOREVER SOLVED, I DO HOPE THAT A LONGER SUP PERIOD AND THE EFFORTS MADE BY BOTH SIDES WILL HELP BRIDGE THE REMAINING GAP AND HELP BRING SOME PEACE TO

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UM, AND WITH THAT, I THANK YOU AND I HOPE THAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO.

UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.

I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, UM, FOR, FOR, FOR SUPPORT SUPPORTING YOUR, YOUR MISSION.

UM, I, I LOVE HISTORY.

I LOVE ARCHITECTURE.

I LOVE ALL OF IT.

RIGHT? AND AS A YOUNG KID FROM NEW ORLEANS, UM, SEEING LARGER HOMES WAS IMPORTANT FOR MY SUCCESS.

SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO PARTNER WITH, UH, SOME URBAN COMMUNITIES, UM, IN, IN SHOWING THESE YOUNG KIDS OF THE POTENTIAL IN THE HISTORY.

AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU MENTIONED YOUR GRANDMOTHER AND NOT THE GRANDFATHER.

NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

UM, THANK YOU.

I SUPPORT YOU AND I, I, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

WELL, I SECOND IT, BUT I, I ACTUALLY WENT ON THE WEBSITE AND I LOOKED AT THE ALBRIDGE HOUSE.

IT'S GORGEOUS.

IT IS ABSOLUTE, THE ARCHITECT, THE WOOD.

I'M A WOOD GIRL.

THE WOOD IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.

I COULD JUST GO THERE AND LIVE THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT, BUT I DON'T, I WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE TO KEEP IT CLEAN.

BUT, UM, I, I, I SECOND IT.

I SUPPORT THE MOTION.

I SUPPORT WHAT ALRICH IS DOING.

I SUPPORT THE FACT THAT IT'S HISTORICAL AND IT'S BEING GIVEN BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE COMMUNITY TO APPRECIATE, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE AND IT'S ARCHITECTURE THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE LOST WITH THIS COOKIE, WITH THESE COOKIE CUTTER HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT TODAY.

SO I READILY SUPPORT THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

YES, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

I THINK THE ALDER CHA IS A DEFINITE ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITY.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL SHOWING UP TODAY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT, AND I APPRECIATE, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON INCREASING THE TIME PERIOD TO FIVE YEARS.

I THINK THAT'S VERY APPROPRIATE.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU.

I'LL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE WHO ARE HERE IN THE OVER 100 LETTERS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN SUPPORT.

UM, I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE OPPOSITION, UM, THAT CAME IN THE FORM OF OUR REPLY LETTERS.

UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING.

AND THAT WAS ONE THING I WAS VERY, UM, HOPEFUL TO UNDERSTAND.

AND I APPLAUD COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S EFFORTS.

I THINK THE LONGER, UM, TIME PERIOD IS ALSO APPROPRIATE.

I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.

UM, I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE ALDRICH HOUSE AND, UM, THE WORK THAT BOTH THE FRIENDS ORGANIZATION AND THE ALLIANCE AND THE AUXILIARY, UM, THEY HAVE PURSUED GRANT APPLICATIONS.

THEY HOST, UM, NUMEROUS PROGRAMS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN OUR LETTERS ON THEIR OUTREACH TO OTHER, UM, MUSEUM AND HISTORIC HOUSES WITHIN OUR CITY, INCLUDING THE JUANITA CRAFT HOUSE.

UM, I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC THAT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS ARE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP AND BE PART OF THE MISSION THAT SERVES NOT JUST THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO OUR GREATER CITY.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THE REQUEST.

UH, I'LL, I'M IN WHOLEHEARTED SUPPORT OF THE, OF THE MOTION.

I, I DO THANK COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR HER HARD WORK ON THIS.

UM, I THANK ALDRIDGE HOUSE, UH, FOR ALL YOU ALL DO.

UH, SWISS AVENUE WOULD NOT BE THE TREASURER THAT IT IS WITHOUT YOUR ADVOCACY AND HARD WORK OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.

AND SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE MR. CHAIR.

OH, APOLOGIZE, MR. RUBIN.

YOU ARE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TINY.

YOU ARE TINY ON MY SCREEN THIS AFTERNOON.

I MEAN, I JUST CANNOT SEE YOU.

I WAS DOING MY BEST TO, TO SIGNAL.

MAYBE I NEED SOME OF THOSE ON.

APOLOGIES.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I ENTHUSIASTICALLY AND, AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT, UM, THIS MOTION.

I THINK IT'S SO GREAT WHAT, YOU KNOW, ALDRIDGE HOUSE DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WITH SO MANY OF OUR, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC HOMES BEING USED AS, AS PRIVATE RESIDENCES, WHICH OF COURSE IS A PERFECTLY FINE USE FOR THEM.

HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, AS A MUSEUM AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS FROM ALL PARTS OF DALLAS TO COME AND SEE AS COMMISSIONER HERBERT SAID IS, IS REALLY, REALLY TREMENDOUS.

AND I THINK THAT THINGS LIKE ALDRIDGE HOUSE, UM, AND OTHER USES LIKE IT, LIKE THE, WE NEED TO CRAFT ADD SO, SO MUCH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE IT SO MUCH MORE DYNAMIC AND WE'RE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AND HOPE TO SEE OTHER THINGS MUCH LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

OKAY, SECOND ATTEMPT.

A CARD AT YOUR ATTENDANCE.

THANK YOU EVERYONE THAT CAME DOWN.

HOPE WE HAVE A CARD.

UH, PLEASE LEAVE US

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UH, COMMISSIONERS.

IT'S TWO 50.

LET'S TAKE ABOUT A 15 MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE CONTINUE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

LET'S, UH, GET THINGS GOING HERE.

AND MS. BESINA, DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A QUORUM.

WE'RE GONNA RESUME OUR MEETING.

WAIT A MINUTE.

I THOUGHT SOMEBODY JUST WALKED.

YES SIR.

YOU DO.

OKAY, WE GOT, GOT A QUORUM.

UH,

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WE'RE GONNA RESUME IBEL.

SEE, WE'RE GONNA PICK BACK UP AT ITEM NUMBER 16.

THIS WAS Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 8 IS MR. CLINTON HERE.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 16, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 8.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK TWO H WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 88, THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH H 60 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD.

HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH FLEMING AVENUE AND EAST CLARENDON DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

MR. CLINTON.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? COME ON DOWN.

CHELSEA THURMAN, 94 0 6 BISCAYNE BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 8.

UM, I AM HOPEFUL THAT YOU'LL FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2023, I BELIEVE WE'VE SPOKEN WITH, UM, JAMES MCGEE, UM, DEPUTY MAYOR PROTI AND BRIEFLY, UM, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON HER OWN BEHALF JUST TO KIND OF TELL YOU ABOUT HER BUSINESS, BUT I AM HERE TO AVAIL MYSELF TO YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JESSICA GONZALEZ AND I AM HERE AS A EARLY CHILDHOOD ADVOCATE.

AND UM, I LIVE AT 36 19 BLUE RIDGE BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS.

SO I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE.

I'M A DALLAS ISD PRODUCT AND I AM THE FOUNDER OF LAQUITA SPANISH IMMERSION PRESCHOOL.

UM, UNTIL RECENTLY I HAD BEEN A PUBLIC SCHOOL EDUCATOR FOR ALL OF MY ADULT LIFE.

AND I OPENED LAQUITA ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, AND I OPERATE OUT OF MY HOME THERE IN OAK CLIFF.

AND I HAVE OUTGROWN MY HOME.

IT HAS TAKEN OVER EVERYTHING, ALL ASPECTS OF MY HOME, MY LIFE.

AND UH, WE FOUND THIS NEW PLACE AT 3 6 6 FLEMING IN DISTRICT FOUR.

WE'RE EXCITED TO BE THERE.

WE'VE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS.

WE'VE, I HAVE A THREE YEAR WAIT LIST FOR PARENTS WHO ARE READY TO SIGN UP THEIR CHILDREN.

UM, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE A FULLY SPANISH IMMERSION PRESCHOOL.

I HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION.

I AM THE FIRST SPANISH DUAL LANGUAGE PRESCHOOL TO ALSO PARTNER WITH CHILDCARE GROUP TO GIVE EVERYONE EQUITABLE ACCESS TO AN EARLY EDUCATION.

AND I AM PARTNERED ALSO WITH, UM, DALLAS ISD PRE-K PARTNERSHIPS.

AND THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT I'VE HAD EVER SINCE I WORKED IN DISD AS A PRE-K SPECIALIST.

AND THEY HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH DAYCARES AND SO WE WANNA BE A STAPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, THE BUILDING THAT WE BOUGHT IS IN A REALLY BAD SHAPE.

WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH DR. DUNN AND WE ARE EXCITED TO OPEN UP THERE, DO BUSINESS, BE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, DO WELL BY THE COMMUNITY, EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN, GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE BILINGUAL AND BI LITERATE.

AND WE'RE HERE TO DO A GOOD THING.

AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN COUNT ON YOUR SUPPORT.

I DO HAVE A LITTLE VIDEO.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS UPLOADED CORRECTLY,

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IT'S 50 SECONDS.

AND JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT MY SCHOOL IS ABOUT, UM, IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO CONDENSE IT TO 50 SECONDS 'CAUSE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WONDERFUL THINGS THERE.

UM, BUT HOPEFULLY IT GIVES YOU SOME INSIGHT ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN QUI.

UM, I DO WANNA ADD THAT, UM, SINCE OUR CHILDREN DO OUTGROW THE PROGRAM, WE ARE A CHILDCARE.

THEY HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED INTO TAG SCHOOLS IN DISD AND ARE VERY, ARE DOING VERY WELL.

UM, MY FORMER STUDENTS ARE READING IN SPANISH.

THEY'RE CONTINUING TO LEARN AND GROW AND ARE THRIVING AT THEIR CURRENT SCHOOLS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD PLAY THAT LITTLE SNIPPET.

EXCUSE ME, I EMAILED IT.

YES, JORGE.

AND I ALSO UPLOADED TO YOUTUBE AND OTHER MEANS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAD IT.

I HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES LAST NIGHT.

AND I PUT THE LINK ON THE PRESENTATION.

DO THIS BECAUSE I DID.

WELCOME TO MY SPANISH IMMERSION.

OUR PROGRAM AIMS TO HELP CHILDREN ACHIEVE BILINGUALISM AND LITERACY THROUGH DUAL LANGUAGE IMMERSION.

WE FOCUS ON CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT CONDITION TO LEARNING BY MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE CHILDREN ACADEMICALLY, SOCIALLY, AND EMOTIONALLY AT OUR SCHOOL.

SPANISH SPEAKING CHILDREN ARE SUPPORTED IN MAINTAINING THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE AND CULTURAL TRADITIONS WHILE ENGLISH SPEAKING CHILDREN DEVELOP A STRONG FOUNDATION FOR A SECOND LANGUAGE AND EXPOSURE TO A VARIETY OF CULTURAL TRADITIONS.

, SPANISH, IMMERSIVE PRESCHOOL WHERE EVERY CHILD THRIVES IN A RICH AND INCLUSIVE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT.

, WELCOME TO LAS SPANISH IMMER.

SO, UM, I'M VERY PROUD OF, OF MY SCHOOL.

UM, THIS IS A DREAM OF MINE AND I'M VERY PASSIONATE, UM, ABOUT TEACHING, UM, EARLY CHILDHOOD.

IT'S ALL I KNOW.

I'M AN EDUCATOR AT HEART SINCE BIRTH.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION?

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UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

AND THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

THAT WAS A, A LOVELY VIDEO.

UM, I NOTICED THAT YOU ALL ARE IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I THINK I HEARD THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN CONTACT, UH, WITH DR.

RHONDA DUNN, WHO'S WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

HAVE YOU GUYS ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, PROCESS FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE, ON THE BUILDING THAT'S IN THE WORKS? WE'RE MEETING FOR A PRE, UH, COULD YOU SCOOT OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT? WE HAVE FOLKS ONLINE, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY CAN HEAR.

UM, WE'RE SETTING UP A MEETING FOR A PRE ADVISORY, UM, BEFORE WE SUBMIT OUR PLANS.

AND, UM, YES, THAT'S IT.

I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH HER.

SHE'S BEEN COMMUNICATING GREATLY WITH, WITH US.

AND I, SO PART OF THE SUP, WE HAVE BOTH A SITE PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT GET APPROVED AS A PART OF THE REQUEST? YES.

HAVE THOSE ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED BY, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER HERE IS, IS CODIFIED IN THOSE TWO PLANS IN OTHER, SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK IF SOMETHING CHANGED THROUGH THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION REVIEW? THAT MAKES SENSE.

UH, SO YOU HAVE DONE THAT OR YOU HAVEN'T YET? OH, NO, I HAVEN'T DONE THAT.

WE'RE IN THE PRELIMINARY, UM OKAY.

STAGES OF THAT.

BUT WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION WITH HER.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIRMAN? OH, BRENT.

, THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

IS THIS A FORMER CHURCH BUILDING? YES, IT IS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? I WOULD MAKE A STATEMENT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT FORMER CHURCH IT IS? ? IT'S SOLOMON'S TEMPLE.

SOLOMON TEMPLE.

? YES.

PASTOR, PASTOR JB ARMSTRONG .

AND JUST THE WAY WE ACHIEVED THE PROPERTY WAS A BLESSING.

I KNOW THEY HAD MULTIPLE BIDS AND OFFERS AND THE, UM, THE FAMILY, THE BREWSTER FAMILY WAS, WENT WITH US.

WE EXPLAINED TO THEM KIND OF WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE PLACE, AND WE WERE GRATEFUL TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I'M TRYING TO FRAME IT IN MY MIND TO GET IT INTO A QUESTION FORM.

UM, IS THERE ANY PLANS FOR YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE LAND THAT YOU'RE ON? MEANING, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE 10TH DISTRICT? WE DO.

AND YES, WE DO.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE TAKEN STEPS TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO OUR PROGRAM AND WE, THAT IS IN THE WORKS AND THAT IS OUR PRIORITY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, UH, MR. FOR MR. CHAIR? MR. RUBIN? OH, MR. COMMISSIONER FOR, I CAN GO FIRST.

HE WAS MAKING A MOTION.

I PLAN TO MAKE A MOTION SO THAT IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE MAKE IT, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

YEAH, IT'S JUST A, A QUICK QUESTION.

UM, THIS MIGHT GO TO DR.

RES.

I KNOW SHE WAS A COUNSELOR YESTERDAY.

UM, DID COUNSEL END UP PASSING THE, THE CODE OF ADMITS RELATING TO DAYCARES? YES.

IS IT CORRECT THAT COUNSEL ULTIMATELY SORT OF MADE A COMPROMISE SAYING THAT SUVS ARE STILL REQUIRED GENERALLY FOR CHILDCARE IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONE NEIGHBORHOODS? SUBJECT TO A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS, YES.

AND IS ONE OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS THAT THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL THAT AN SUP WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT THIS ISN'T A PD.

UM, SO HERE, THE SUP IS STILL REQUIRED.

THE, THE CODE AMENDMENT DOESN'T ACTUALLY GO INTO EACH AND EVERY PD THAT REQUIRES AN SUP FOR, FOR CHILDCARE AND, AND UPDATE IT TO REFLECT THE GENERAL ZONING CODE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THIS PD SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT ITS USES.

SO THIS PD WOULD BE UNAFFECTED BY THE CODE AMENDMENT.

BY THE, HIS THE, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I, I HAVE A QUESTION AND, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON SAID, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHO IN STAFF MAYBE, UM, DR.

GERRA CAN, CAN HELP.

UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON ASKED IF THEIR SITE PLAN HAS BEEN, UM, REVIEWED

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THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW LONG OF A PROCESS IT WILL TAKE FOR THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO REVIEW THEIR SITE PLAN ONCE IT'S SUBMITTED TO THEM? LET ME CHECK WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

CAN I COME BACK IN TWO MINUTES? CAN WE WAIT FOR THAT? BECAUSE, OR, OR I CAN ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.

UM, OKAY.

IF WE, IF IT HAS, OKAY.

SO IF THIS REQUEST IS TO MOVE FORWARD, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT, UM, MR. CLINTON UNTIL THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN COMPLETED BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE, THE, THE MERITS OF THIS USE? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

I WILL DEFER TO RYAN FOR THAT.

, I'M SORRY.

SOMEBODY WAS, UH, DISTRACTING ME OVER HERE WITH ANOTHER QUESTION.

, I'M KIDDING.

UH, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

IT'LL COST YOU.

UM, I ASKED THE QUESTION IS IF THEIR SITE PLAN HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, WOULD IT MEAN THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT, THAT PROCESS COMPLETED BEFORE WE ARE ABLE TO, TO REVIEW THE, THE MERITS OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING, UH, DR.

RE CAN, UM, CAN ANSWER HERE IN A SECOND.

UM, WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR THOUGH, I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT WE DID RECEIVE A REVISED SITE PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WELL, OR JUST THE SITE PLAN? JUST THE SITE PLAN.

JUST A, A REVISED SITE PLAN, UM, THIS WEEK, UM, WITH A FEW MINOR CHANGES, UM, UH, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO BRIEF THOSE CHANGES EARLIER TODAY.

UM, BUT I DID JUST WANNA THROW THAT INTO THE MIX, UM, FOR ANY MOTION THAT MIGHT BE MADE ON THIS, UH, ITEM TODAY.

SO THANK YOU.

DANIEL POINT ME, POINTED ME TO THE CODE.

I THINK IT'S 65 DAYS.

IF THEY DON'T ACT WITHIN 65 DAYS, IT'S DEEMED APPROVED , I'M LOOKING AT HIM.

SO THE QUESTION, SO, SO ARE, LET ME JUST CLARIFY.

ONCE THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE, THE SLIGHT PLAN TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, THEY HAVE 65 DAYS TO APPROVE IT.

IF THEY DO NOT APPROVE IT, THEN IT'S AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? IT'S, IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, IT'S NOT A SIDE PLAN.

IT'S WHEN THEY GO IN AND FILE THEIR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS.

LANDMARK HAS 65 DAYS TO CONSIDER IT AND LANDMARK, DEPENDING ON IF IT'S A, A NEW BUILD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE COULD BE A FENCE THAT WOULD BE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT LANDMARK MAY, UM, WANT WIGGLED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S NOT A TECHNICAL TERM, BUT, SO BASICALLY THE PROCESS AT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT? LANDMARK REGULATES THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

THIS IS ABOUT THE CHILDCARE FACILITY.

THE, OKAY.

I ASK YOU MORE QUESTIONS.

UM, ARE WE GONNA, CAN I MOVE ON OR COMMISSIONER BLAIR OR DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, TO KIND OF MAYBE FINISH THE END OF DANIEL'S SENTENCE, THERE IS WHAT'S CON UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH THIS ITEM HERE TODAY FOR A CITY PLAN COMMISSION IS THE PROPOSED CHILDCARE FACILITY USE AND WHETHER THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA, ET CETERA.

UM, A SITE PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN ARE PROPOSED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT REQUEST.

UH, BUT THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE USE IS APPROPRIATE.

SO THEN, THEN MY, MY FINAL QUESTION WOULD BE, SINCE YOU GOT A, A SITE PLAN THIS WEEK, THAT THAT STAFF HAS NOT CONSIDERED YOU.

IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND WE'RE WE'RE GOOD, RIGHT? YES.

SO IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED.

THERE WERE TECHNICAL, UH, CHANGES, NOT CHANGES TO THE ACTUAL LAYOUT OR DESIGN OR ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS THE ACTUAL, UM, UH, LAND USE.

UM, MAYBE THE CONCERN IS THAT THE SUP UM, LENGTH, UM, SHOULD WE WAIT TO CONSIDER THIS AND AFTER LANDMARKING SO THAT THE SUP LT DOESN'T START UNTIL AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FOR, UM, UM, THAT THERE, SEE, MY MIND JUST GOT ALL JU UP.

SURE.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, MAYBE THIS QUESTION IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

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IS THAT A QUESTION OR A COMMENT? THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER THEY ARE APPROVED THROUGH LANDMARK? SO IF THEIR SUP WILL NOT BE DELAYED OR NOT, THEY WON'T LOSE TIME ON THEIR SUP OR SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND, AND ONCE THEY TURN IN? 'CAUSE WHAT IF THEY DON'T TURN IN FOR A YEAR OR TWO? I DON'T KNOW.

IS THAT A, LET ME REPHRASE IT.

THE STAFF CARE.

LET MY BRAIN SLOW DOWN.

SO I THINK THE QUESTION MIGHT BE IS BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE TO GO THROUGH LANDMARK, UM, THROUGH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, IS SHOULD WE CONSIDER WAITING FOR THEM TO FILE THAT SO THAT THEIR ISSUE, BECAUSE THERE IS A TIME LIMIT ON THE SUP, IF THIS WAS JUST A, A ZONING CHANGE WITHOUT A TIME LIMIT, WE WOULD, SHOULD WE CONSIDER THAT RIGHT? I'M GONNA WAIT FOR STAFF TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, THOSE TWO, UH, ARE, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER.

I THINK THAT THE ZONING COMES FIRST.

UM, AND THEN THEY WILL, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT THEIR PLANS, UM, WHICH HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND VIEWED BY STAFF TO GO TO THE, UM, LANDMARK COMMISSION TO BE REVIEWED.

AND THEN THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WILL HAVE THEIR TIME TO REVIEW THEIR CASE.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WILL AFFECT THE ZONING.

AND COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER FORSYTH INTENDS TO HOLD THIS ITEM ANYWAY, SO.

UH, ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE? NONE.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU? YES.

UH, CHAIRMAN, IN CASE NUMBER Z 2 2 3 3 0 8, I MOVE THAT WE LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE 21ST.

I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, COMMENTS, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY PROCEED TO WORK WITH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION DURING THIS INTERIM TIME.

IF NO FURTHER COMMENTS? WE'LL, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN.

MR. RUBIN? YEAH.

UM, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO HOLD THIS ANY, ANY FURTHER.

UM, I THINK MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT CHILDCARE.

WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS CHILDCARE SHORTAGE AND, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL JUST LITERALLY YESTERDAY ENACTED CODE AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS WHEN CHILDCARE SUVS ARE NEEDED FOR CHILDCARES.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN A BASE ZONING TO THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, IF A CHILDCARE IS GOING INTO A FORM OF CHURCH THAT JUST LIKE THIS, THE COUNCIL DETERMINED THAT AN SUP IS NOT NECESSARY.

UM, AND I DON'T PARTICULARLY SEE A STRONG NEED FOR AN SUP HERE, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THE PD HERE REQUIRES A, I THINK THAT THIS CHUNK HERE SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT USE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE DOING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND GETTING THIS LANDMARK.

AND WHILE I TOTALLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, RESPECT COMMISSIONER FORTE'S ABILITY TO GET UP TO SPEED, I JUST SEE THIS ONE AS, AS READY TO GO.

UM, AND I WOULD BE READY TO SET THIS ON TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THEN IF THERE ARE SOMETHING THAT LANDMARK DOES IN THE PROCESS THAT IT MAY REQUIRE A SLIGHT, SLIGHT TWEAK TO THE SITE PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT COULD EVEN POTENTIALLY BE A MINOR AMENDMENT, UM, VERY LIKELY.

SO I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION TO HOLD WITH, WITH ALL DUE WITH RESPECT.

NOT SETTING YOU GUYS UP FOR FAILURE AT LANDMARK COMMISSION.

UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE NEW COMMISSIONER WHO HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH HAVING TO MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS TODAY.

AND I, I REALLY FEEL LIKE CONTINUING TO SORT OF UNDERMINE THE DECISIONS HE'S TRYING TO MAKE IS, IS NOT FAIR.

AND I THINK THAT HE'S GOT A LOT ON HIS PLATE AND I THINK IF HE'S TRYING TO HOLD THIS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, AND I RESPECT THE APPLICANT AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, I DO, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES HERE AND I'M GONNA RESPECT THAT HE'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT AND THAT IT'S SUCCESSFUL AND THAT INCLUDES

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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

I SECONDED THE MOTION.

I DO SUPPORT IT.

UM, AND TRULY IT'S TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT WHO SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE ALREADY IN TOUCH WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF, I THINK THAT ALLOWING THIS ADDITIONAL TIME CAN BRING SOME CERTAINTY BECAUSE THERE ARE SITE ELEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD SAVE THIS APPLICANT TIME TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT AND ALLOWING THIS LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME SEEMS APPROPRIATE.

I WILL ALSO GIVE KUDOS NOT ONLY OF, UH, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, UM, TAKEN ON ZONING, SUP, WE'RE NOW ADDING A LANDMARK COMMISSION TO YOUR FIRST DAY TASK.

SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, REALLY QUICK.

UM, I, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BEING REPRESENTED BY AN AWESOME COMPANY, UM, AND WE'LL HELP YOU GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB BY COMING HERE AND GETTING OUR FEET WET AND LETTING US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, WE HAVE SEEN THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UM, REALLY COME DOWN, UM, WITH DIFFERENT RULES AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN A SAFE POSITION BEFORE THAT'S DONE RIGHT.

SO THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU WHEN YOU COME BACK.

OKAY? THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS MOTION BECAUSE I WANT YOU ALL TO 100% WIN AT THIS LOCATION.

THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR CHILDREN.

I KNOW THAT PERSONALLY.

SO I WOULD, I WANNA SUPPORT YOU SO THAT THEY CAN GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

ALL RIGHT? I SEE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL THE 21ST OF MARCH.

2, 3, 4, 4 AND OPPOSITION FOUR.

ANY OPPOSED? NAY.

ARE THOSE OKAY, SO COMMISSIONER, UH, SLEEPER.

COMMISSIONER CHERNOCK.

COMMISSIONER HAWK, COMMISSIONER RUBIN? DID I GET EVERY, ALL THE OPPOSED? OKAY.

AND THE, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SEVENTEENS THESE 2 23 DASH 3 42.

SO THIS BRIDGES, THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 DASH 3 42.

AN APPLICATION FOR A MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF LBJ FREEWAY BETWEEN PRESTON ROAD AND COPPING HILL ROAD STAFF.

THE APPLICANT HERE.

AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS WANDA SUMMERS.

I LIVE AT TWO 12 GREGORY DRIVE, DESOTO, TEXAS 7 5 1 1 5.

UH, THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, ON THE SERVICE ROAD FOR 6 35.

THE FIRST STREET, UH, THAT GOES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ACTUALLY DOESN'T EVEN, IT'S BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THEM.

SO THERE WOULD BE NOBODY GOING TO THE COMMUNITY AT ALL.

'CAUSE THE NEXT STREET, UH, WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL STREET.

UH, SOMETHING WAS BROUGHT UP JUST NOW RECENTLY, ACTUAL YESTERDAY, ABOUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON A GREENSPAN NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS ALSO ADJACENT TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHICH IS A HOTEL THAT, THAT DEED RESTRICTION IS OVER 64 YEARS OLD.

AND WHEN I WENT TO THE COUNTY AND PULLED STUFF THAT DIDN'T EVEN COME UP, SO I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT.

UH, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, HOT TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I HAVE SEEN THOSE AT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.

UH, I'VE ALSO SEEN A CATERING TRUCK THERE, BUT THIS HOUSE, UH, I'M THERE EVERY WEEK, SOMETIMES TWO TIMES, UH, CHECKING ON THE HOUSE, CHECKING ON THE SIGNS, AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

IT'S AN EMPTY HOUSE RIGHT NOW.

UH, THE OWNER'S IN AND OUT ALSO BECAUSE IT IS A VACANT HOUSE AND IT IS ON THE SERVICE ROAD FOR 6 35.

THE DRIVE APPROACH TO THAT HOUSE IS A CIRCLE DRIVE, SO IT'LL BE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.

THE PROPOSED USE IS FOR A INSURANCE OFFICE ONLY.

AND, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, MOST INSURANCE THINGS ARE DONE

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ONLINE THESE DAYS ANYWAY.

NO, MOST OF THEM DON'T EVEN GO IN.

I MEAN, I KNOW MY INSURANCE AGENT, BUT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO HER OFFICE.

I DO EVERYTHING ONLINE.

UM, I HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH MS. BRIDGES, UH, MANY TIMES, UH, AS WE'VE LOOKED OVER THINGS, UH, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS NOW.

AND THEN I JUST, UH, UH, HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH MR. MEKI AND ANSWERED HIS QUESTIONS.

AND THAT'S ALL BEEN SETTLED AND TAKEN CARE OF.

SO, UH, IT IS ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON ONE SIDE ALREADY.

UH, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG THAT SERVICE ROAD ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

THERE'S VERY FEW HOUSES LEFT THERE NOW.

UH, THERE'S EVEN A BIG CHURCH DOWN THE STREET FROM THERE AS WELL.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, UH, OTHER THAN THE ONLY USE IS A REAL ESTATE OFFICE.

AND THERE IS, I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S NO PLANS IN TEARING THAT HOUSE DOWN.

THEY'VE GOT WAY TOO MUCH MONEY INVESTED IN IT AS IT IS, SO THERE'S NO PLANS TO TEAR THAT, THAT PROPERTY DOWN.

THEY JUST WANNA MERGE INTO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

THERE'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALL AROUND THEM, ACROSS THE FREEWAY NEXT TO THEM, YOU KNOW? OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION? ANYONE HERE SPEAK IN OPPOSITION POSITION? LOW NAME'S RANDY CARTER LIVE AT 1 3, 1 1 5 COPEN HILL ROAD.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION FOR MYSELF AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, WE OPPOSE IT FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

FIRST, THERE'S NO REASON TO CHANGE THIS FROM AN R 16 TO A MIXED USE ZONE.

THE DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT LISTS THIS HOUSE AS GOOD AS FAR AS DESIRABILITY.

THE MVA THAT WAS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT SHOWS THAT THIS IS A RATED B.

AS FAR AS ATTRACTIVE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY STABLE.

THE, UH, HOUSES AND THEY'RE APPRECIATING THREE OF THE FOUR HOUSES WITHIN THE NOTICE ZONE ARE NOW WORTH SEVEN FIGURES.

WITH THE MOST RECENT ONE BEING BUILT IN 2023, THAT HAS AN APPRAISED VALUE, $2.6 MILLION.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S A NEED TO CHANGE FROM R 16.

UM, SECONDLY, THE MU ONE USE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE R 16 USES.

IT'S A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO.

THIS VERY BODY HEARD A SIMILAR REQUEST FOR THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, 6 1 3 1 LBJ, WHO ALSO WANTED AN MU ONE USE AT THAT HEARING.

THE BOARD, UH, THE COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY REJECTED THE CHANGE, UH, FOR SIMILAR REASONS THAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY.

I WOULD SAY ALSO A COUPLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSED THE ISSUE OF TRAFFIC ALONG THAT ACCESS ROAD.

UH, YOU HAVE THREE LANES COMING UP FROM HILLCREST.

YOU HAVE A MERGE FROM LBJ ONTO THE ACCESS ROAD AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE A MERGE GOING OUT TO LBJ AND TO MONFORT.

UH, SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACTION GOING ON AND THIS IS ON A RISE.

AND ONCE YOU GET UP TO HUGHES LANE, WHICH IS TWO INTERSECTIONS DOWN IN COPEN HILL, WHAT YOU FIND IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SIGHT LINE FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING UP THE HILL.

AND SO I THINK THAT WAS THE REASON LAST TIME IS ALONG WITH JUST THE INAPPROPRIATE USE OF A MIXED USE HERE.

UH, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER REASON THAT MU ONE IS INAPPROPRIATE IS BECAUSE OF THAT BEAUTIFICATION EASEMENT, WHICH WAS PART OF THE 1964 AGREEMENT CONVERTING PRESTON ROAD DUR ALONG BETWEEN THE ACC, BETWEEN LBJ ACCESS ROAD AND WHAT'S THE NORTH END OF LA FITNESS PROPERTY TO ALLOW THAT TO BECOME, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, LOCAL RETAIL ONE AT THE TIME IS WHAT IT WAS CHANGED TO DISPUTE.

50 FOOT BEAUTIFICATION EASEMENT WAS PUT IN TO PROTECT AND BUFFER THE HOMEOWNERS FROM WHAT WAS NOW THE COMMERCIAL USE THERE.

AND IN FACT, I BELIEVE THE DALLAS COUNTY, THE DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS AN ESCALATOR

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FOR THE LAND USE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY SHOWING THAT THE BEAUTIFICATION EASEMENT DOES SERVE AS A BENEFIT FOR EVERYONE ALONG THERE.

UH, THIS, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A REFERENCE IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THIS DOESN'T IMPACT ME.

CHANGES DON'T IMPACT HOMEOWNERS.

WELL, WE HAVE A VERY REAL EXAMPLE THAT IT DID.

UH, THERE'S A LOT THAT'S ON COPEN HILL THAT BACKS UP TO THE LA FITNESS FACILITY.

A GENTLEMAN BOUGHT THAT LOT IN 2021, I BELIEVE, AND HAD STARTED THE PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE CITY.

UH, HE WANTED TO BUILD ABOUT A SEVEN OR 8,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY.

AND HE WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

ABOUT THAT TIME, THE NEW OWNERS OF THE LA FITNESS AREA FILED A MOTION OR FI FILED TO HAVE, UH, MU THREE ZONING FOR THE LA FITNESS.

THAT GENTLEMAN JUST COM COMPLETELY IMMEDIATELY DROPPED THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND ENDED UP SELLING THE LOT.

SO IT, THEIR REAL LIFE IMPACTS CAUSED BY MU DISTRICTS BEING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.

AND LASTLY, AND UNDERSTAND FROM THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING, THERE'S SOME REFERENCE ABOUT NON-CONFORMING USES.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE HOUSE, IF IT'S CONVERTED, WOULD BE A NON-CONFORMING USE AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE AS WELL.

UH, THE HOUSE IS TWO STORY HOUSE WITH A WALK-IN ATTIC.

UH, I BELIEVE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BLUE BLUEPRINTS FROM THE OWNERS WHO BUILT IT, THE HEIGHT WAS AROUND 34 TO 35 FEET.

I'M SORRY THAT YOUR TIME'S UP.

OKAY, THANKS VERY MUCH.

UH, BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON ONLINE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

HELLO? UH, MY NAME'S THOMAS GRICE.

I'M, UH, I LIVE AT THIR 1 3 0 3 3 IN COPEN HILL ROAD.

MY PROPERTY IS NEARLY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY AND I CAN SEE THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY THROUGH MY NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD FROM MY HOME.

I WANNA SAY THAT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SOMEONE OPERATING A SMALL BUSINESS, HAVING BEEN A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF, I AM, HOWEVER, VE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO CHANGING A ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY AS IT SETS THE PROPERTY UP FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD DEVIATE DRAMATICALLY FROM A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THOSE CHANGES COULD IMPACT TRAFFIC WATER RUNOFF, WHICH IS ALREADY PROBLEMATIC AND CAUSING FLASH FLOODING IN THIS AREA, LIGHTING, NOISE POLLUTION, ET CETERA.

YOU WILL NOTICE IN THE AERIAL AERIAL MAP ON THE PAGE 17 SEVEN OF THE CASE REPORT THAT THERE'S A GREEN BELT, WHICH, UM, THE APPLICANT I THINK MENTIONED, UM, THAT'S THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY THAT DIVIDES ALL THE PROPERTIES ON COPEN HILL ROAD WITH RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OF THE GREEN BELT, AND WAS SPECIFICALLY INTENDED TO CREATE A PHYSICAL DIVIDE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO THE WEST OF THE GREEN BELT TO PRESTON ROAD AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OF THE GREEN BELT.

BY GRANTING THE ZONING CHANGE, IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT THAT WOULD LIKELY RESULT IN A LOT MORE APPLICATIONS OF SIMILAR NATURE ALL ALONG THE LBJ FREEWAY ACCESS ROAD.

I PURCHASED A LOT AND BUILT MY HOME THERE ON COPEN HILL ROAD BECAUSE THERE WAS A GREEN BELT BEHIND IT, DIVIDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHERE THE HO UM, THE HOTEL IS RIGHT NOW.

AND ALL THAT SAID IS LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE RANDY, RANDY STATED ACTUALLY MY NEIGHBOR, UM, THAT THIS, THERE WAS A, A OPPOSITION, OPPOSITION TO THIS, UM, TYPE OF ZONING REQUEST TO THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY WITH, WITH PREJUDICE, I BELIEVE.

UM, AND, AND FOR THE, FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT WE JUST STATED.

AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT ZONING CHANGES ARE, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES PERMANENT.

SO ONCE THE ZONING CHANGE IS GRANTED, THAT MEANS IT REMAINS THAT WAY UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE FILES AN APPLICATION TO CHANGE IT IN THE FUTURE.

AND NO MATTER WHAT THE, THE OWNER INTENDS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO TODAY OR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO TOMORROW WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT IT DOES, HOWEVER, OPEN IT UP FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITHIN IN THE FUTURE.

SO IF SOMEONE ELSE COULD COME ALONG, BUY THAT PROPERTY, BUILD SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ON IT, UM, BECAUSE THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT.

AND SO MY OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGES BECAUSE APPROVING THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT COULD TAKE PLACE IN WITHIN PARAMETERS THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN MU ONE, WHICH COULD REALLY UPSET THE DELICATE BALANCE OF OUR COMMUNITY AS IT IS TODAY.

AND SO I WANNA THANK THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR TIME CONSIDERATION AND HOPE YOU WILL, UH, DENY THIS APPLICATION WITH PREJUDICE.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.

HI MS. SUMMERS.

SO YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN BEFORE AND WE SPOKE EARLIER TODAY, CORRECT.

SO COULD YOU, UM, JUST CONFIRM WHAT IS THE CURRENT USE PLANNED BY THE APPLICANT FOR ALL OR PART OF THE BUILDING? OKAY.

YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT THE INTENDED USE WAS JUST A PORTION OF THE BUILDING ,

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I'M, I'M SORRY.

CAN YOU ACTIVATE THE MICROPHONE SO PEOPLE ONLINE CAN HEAR YOU NEED TO TURN IT ON.

I'M GONNA LET SOMEBODY HELP YOU SO THAT THAT MICROPHONE GOES ON.

CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR ANSWER, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.

UH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TO BE AN INSURANCE COMPANY ONLY.

SHE'S, UH, NOT PLANNING ON LIVING THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT AS FAR AS I'VE EVER KNOWN, IT HAS JUST BEEN TO RUN HER BUSINESS.

SO, TO TO CONFIRM SINCE YOU HAD YOUR MICROPHONE OFF, THE INTENT IS TO USE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE FOR AN INSURANCE OFFICE? YES, MA'AM.

DO YOU KNOW, IS THE APPLICANT LIVING IN THIS HOUSE RIGHT NOW? NO, SHE'S NOT.

DO, WERE YOU AWARE OF THE BEAUTIFICATION BEAUTIFICATION EASEMENT? UM, I GUESS WHEN DID YOU BECOME AWARE OF THE EASEMENT THAT'S TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY? HONESTLY, YESTERDAY.

UM, SO NOW THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF IT, UM, THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER THAT IS BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND COMMERCIAL.

SO ARE YOU AWARE THAT THAT BUFFER IS INTENDED TO HAVE A PERMANENT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS? AS OF YESTERDAY.

AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT BARRIER, THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY NOT ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW? WELL, NEXT DOOR IS THE HOTEL, THEIR DRIVEWAY TO GO TO THAT HOTEL IS RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS 50 FOOT ON THE OTHER SIDE, IFICATION EASEMENT ON.

NO, THE OTHER, THE GREENSPAN IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.

ARE YOU, DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF ABOUT OTHER POTENTIAL ZONING CATEGORIES OTHER THAN AN MU ONE? NO, WE'VE NOT DISCUSSED ANY OTHERS.

HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAT SURROUND THIS PROPERTY? WE, THERE WERE LETTERS SENT OUT AND NO ONE RESPONDED IN OPPOSITION.

DID YOU GO KNOCK TO THOSE LETTERS? DID YOU GO KNOCK ON ANY DOORS? NO, MA'AM.

I DON'T NORMALLY GO KNOCKING ON PEOPLE'S DOORS AND INTERRUPTING THEIR DAYS.

IN FACT, MOST PEOPLE WORK DURING THE DAY, SO, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WOULD GO KNOCK ON SOMEONE'S DOOR, YOU DON'T GO KNOCKING ON PEOPLE'S DOORS AT NIGHT.

I'M NOT INTERRUPTING THEIR DAILY LIFE.

SO YOU'VE NEVER HAD ANY, SO WE SENT LETTERS OUT AND, AND IN THE LETTERS NO ONE RESPONDED IN OPPOSITION.

SO YOU'VE NOT HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TWO PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE VOICING OPPOSITION? I'M SORRY? HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO EITHER OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE HERE TODAY IN PERSON AND ONLINE THAT VOICED OPPOSITION? NO, MA'AM.

AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER FOUR MONTHS, SO WHY IS IT JUST NOT COMING UP TODAY? WHY IS THE GREENSPAN ONLY COMING UP TODAY AFTER FOUR MONTHS? WELL, IT'S, IT'S OF RECORD IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS.

UH, AND LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU GOTTA DIG TO FIND IT.

'CAUSE EVEN WHEN I WENT TO THE COUNTY RECORDS, IT DID NOT SHOW UP.

I, I I, I, I REALIZE, AND PART OF THE REASON THAT I PAUSED THIS CLA CASE LAST TIME WAS BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HAD THE SAME INFORMATION.

SO I FORWARDED YOU THAT INFORMATION EARLIER THIS WEEK.

YOU, I YOU DID NOT RECEIVE IT.

UM, BUT STAFF DEFINITELY HAS KNOWN ABOUT IT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU HERE SO THAT YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT THE EASEMENT.

AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M SORRY THAT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND ME EMAIL, NOT CAN, UH, NOTIFY ME BY EMAIL YESTERDAY.

SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT TO ME THE EASEMENT IS, IS IMPORTANT.

UM, AND JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY KIND OF WHAT CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE EASEMENT.

SO THANK YOU MS. SUMMERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, WELL LET, LET ME TAKE COMM COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S QUESTION FOR STAFF.

SHE WANTED, OH, YOU WERE JUST POINTING TO NO, NO, I DO OPPOSITION FOR STAFF.

LET'S DO THAT.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

QUESTIONS FOR THE OPPOSITION.

WHEN DID WE BECOME AWARE OF THE CASE? UH, MY GUESS IS PROBABLY NOVEMBER WHEN, WHENEVER THE, UH, LADY SENDS OUT ALL THE NOTICES.

, MR. CARTER? YES.

SO WHEN DID YOU BECOME AWARE OF THIS CASE?

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I THINK THAT WAS THE END OF NOVEMBER.

BUT AT NO TIME DID YOU HAVE ANY, THERE WAS NO OUTREACH BY THE APPLICANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

THE, THE REASON I FOUND OUT THAT THE CASE WAS MOVING FORWARD WAS WHEN THE NOTICES WERE SENT BY THE CITY TO THE FOLKS WHO LIVE WITHIN 200 FEET.

AND THAT'S WHEN I FIRST NOTED LEARNED THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A HEARING ON JANUARY 18TH.

AND AT THAT POINT I COMMUNICATED WITH YOU, SENT YOU MY OPPOSITION.

UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT LEAST THREE OF THE FOUR NEIGHBORS, OR THREE OR FOUR OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR OPPOSITIONS BASED ON THAT NOTICE THAT WAS SENT OUT BY THE CITY.

SO YOU'VE NEVER HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. SUMMERS OR THE, THE, THE APPLICANT? NO, I HAVE NOT.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OPPOSITION? SEEING NONE.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES, I DO HAVE A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE HEARING AND RECOMMEND THAT WE DENY THIS APPLICATION WITH PREJUDICE.

AND IF I CAN GET A SECOND I'LL GOT SOME REMARKS.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH OFFERED A SECOND.

CHAIR, MR. COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

UM, SO I DO THINK THIS CASE, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TRANSPARENCY AT THE BEGINNING AND, UM, I APOLOGIZE TO THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE WE SHOULD ALL BE OPERATING WITH THE SAME SET OF INFORMATION A HUNDRED PERCENT.

BUT THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE NOW.

AND, UM, WHEN I LEARNED THROUGH THE NEIGHBORS THAT THIS EASEMENT EXISTED, IT IS A PUBLIC RECORD.

YES, THE ORIGINAL ONE FROM THE SIXTIES IS A LITTLE HARD TO FIND, BUT THE UPDATE IN THE EIGHTIES IS NOT SO HARD TO FIND.

AND SO I THINK IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THIS BEAUTIFICATION EASEMENT WAS VERY INTENTIONALLY PUT HERE TO PUT A BARRIER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

UM, THERE WAS A CASE THAT CAME UP BEFORE THIS BODY TWO YEARS AGO, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, VERY SIMILAR SITUATION, MU ONE, AND THIS BODY DENIED IT.

I THINK THAT THIS APPLICANT, UM, I I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE IF IT'S THE WHOLE HOUSE, IF IT'S PART OF THE HOUSE, IF IT WAS PART OF THE HOUSE, AN ACCESSORY USE WOULD'VE BEEN PERMITTED.

BUT I HAVE REALLY GRAVE CONCERNS WITH CHANGING THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION FROM A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, WHICH WAS VERY INTENTIONALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS BUFFER TO AN BU WHICH WOULD PERMIT A COMMERCIAL USE.

I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'LL DO TOMORROW.

AND OUR JOB IS TO SIT HERE TODAY AND THINK ABOUT WHERE THIS SITS AND WHERE THE ZONING SURROUNDING IT SITS.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, LOOKING AT THE HISTORY WITH THE PRIOR ZONING CASE, LOOKING AT THE EASEMENT, LOOKING AT THIS APPLICATION WITHOUT ANY VOLUNTEERED RESTRICTIONS TO STATE BLANKET MU ONE REQUEST FOR A USE THAT IF SMALLER COULD EASILY BE AN ACCESSORY USE, I AM RECOMMENDING DENIAL WITH PREJUDICE.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU SUPPORT ME.

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MOTION.

MR. CHAIR.

IN THE SIXTIES, I DON'T THINK LBJ EVEN EXISTED.

UM, I'M NOT ABLE TO SORT THROUGH SORT OF THE, UM, ALL THE PROCEDURAL STUFF THAT THAT WENT ON IN THIS ONE.

I, I JUST WANNA SPEAK MORE TO THE FUNDAMENTAL LAND USE ISSUES AND SAY THAT IT IS PRETTY WILD TO ME THAT WE HAVE OUR 16 ZONING NEXT TO LBJ FREEWAY.

UM, AND I'VE HAD IT FOR SOME TIME, PARTICULARLY NOW THAT THAT FREEWAY, WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE EXPRESS LANES THAT ARE TOLL DOWN BELOW IS I THINK SEVEN LANES GOING EACH WAY.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, COMPLICATED AREA.

YOU HAVE THE R 16, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE SURFACE ROAD AS WELL.

ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT LAYER, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT R 16 ZONING REALLY MAKES SENSE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE MU MAKES SENSE EITHER, PARTICULARLY WITHOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS CONSIDERING THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY, BUT I'M REALLY NOT SOLD ON THE STATUS QUO EITHER.

SO I THINK I COULD PROBABLY GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE MOTION TO DENY, BUT I THINK MAYBE DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE MIGHT BE THE BETTER MOVE HERE.

SO WE CAN REALLY FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, ZONING THAT WORKS.

CONSIDERING THAT

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I COULD BE WRONG, YOU KNOW, BY THE EIGHTIES IT WAS I THINK MAYBE FOUR LANES.

NOW WE HAVE A MEGA HIGHWAY RUNNING RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY AND THE, THE SERVICE ROAD.

SO I THINK THIS, THIS AREA REALLY DOES NEED SOME, SOME THOUGHTFUL, YOU KNOW, LAND USE PLANNING AND MAYBE SOME ZONING CHANGES THAT CAN SORT OF BALANCE THE, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY ON ONE SIDE AND A R 16 NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND FOR THAT REASON, I DON'T THINK DENIAL WITH PREJUDICE IS REALLY THE BEST CHOICE HERE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, DENY WITH, OH, DID I, I MISSED ONE.

I I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH THE SITTING COMMISSIONER.

UM, AND, AND THE REASON BEING, UNFORTUNATELY THE PROXIMITY, THE CORRECT ZONING THAT IS NOT ALLOWED WOULD HAVE BEEN LIVE WORK, BUT IT IS NOT ALLOWED IN BASED ZONING.

I JUST LEARNED THAT, UM, BECAUSE LIVE WORK WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER SUITED, BUT IT'S NOT ALLOWED.

AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT SHOULD BE.

UM, BUT IT IS NOT.

UM, BUT EVEN THOUGH THAT IS SIX NEXT TO 6 35, THAT IS EVEN A, A BETTER REASON THAT THAT BUFFER WAS PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THE BUILDERS OF THAT COMMUNITY OR THE FOUNDERS OR WHOEVER DID, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE A, THAT IN THE FUTURE, THAT THERE WAS ROOM FOR GROWTH IN THAT COMMUNITY.

SO THEY INTENTIONALLY PUT THAT BUFFER.

UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THE HOUSES WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY COULD BE GREATLY AFFECTED BY MU OR NF WHAT IS HIS ON MY BRAIN MU UM, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER USE THAT YES, THAT PROPERTY COULD BE USED AS A BUSINESS.

UNFORTUNATELY THE EMU IS TOO BROAD FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

UH, AGAIN, UM, CODE HASN'T, UM, CITY, CITY ZONING HASN'T CAUGHT UP WITH TODAY.

UM, LIVE WORK IS SUCH A SUITABLE, SUITABLE FOR THAT PARTICULAR BILL, WHICH WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN SOMEONE LIVING THERE AND HAVING A BUSINESS.

UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION.

AND MU CAN SOMEONE COULD TURN IT DOWN TOMORROW.

UM, AND WITHOUT THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS, THEN YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT OR WHATEVER NEXT TO THAT.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, UH, CHANGE IT TO DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE? I HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPLICANT'S INTENT AND WHAT THEY ACTUALLY INTEND TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR.

UM, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

I DID VICE CHAIR BECAUSE WHAT THE STAFF REPORT SAYS IS WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY TOLD STAFF AND THAT IS NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTED, REPRESENTED HERE IN FRONT OF THIS BODY.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT CASE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CORRECT ZONING FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS.

UM, AND I DO STAND BEHIND MY DENIAL WITH PREJUDICE.

MR. CHAIR? YES SIR.

CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND TO DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE? YOU MAY MAKE THAT MOTION IF I HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IS THAT A SECOND COMMISSIONER? OKAY, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SECOND.

UM, SO WE NEED TO TAKE UP THE AMENDED MOTION FIRST.

ALL IN FAVOR OF, UM, OR DISCUSSION? YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO, I DON'T THINK, OKAY.

YOU GONNA SPEAK TO IT? I THINK I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO IT AGAIN.

YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THE ZONING ON THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY NOT RIGHT.

YEAH, AND YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT OR APPLICATION, BUT I DON'T WANNA SET, PUT TWO YEARS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY HAVING A FIX IF SOMEONE ELSE COMES ALONG AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, IS DILIGENT AND, AND YOU KNOW, WANTS TO DO THAT.

SO I WOULD THINK THAT DENIAL WITH OUT PREJUDICE WOULD BE BETTER.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, IF THEY TRIED TO COME BACK IN, IN AND REZONE THE NEXT TWO YEARS, I, I'M VERY SKEPTICAL THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

AND I, I THINK WE, WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ODDS OF THAT GOING PARTICULARLY WELL WOULDN'T BE GREAT.

SO I JUST HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE ALLOWS US TIME TO REALLY THINK AND GET THE ZONING HERE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT TODAY.

MS. BESINA, DISTRICT ONE.

SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDED MOTION TO DENY, UH, WITHOUT PREJUDICE? AYE.

SO WE'RE GONNA NEED A RECORDED VOTE.

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ARE YOU DISTRICT TWO? NO.

DISTRICT THREE? YES.

DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE.

DISTRICT FIVE.

ABSENT DISTRICT SIX? NO.

DISTRICT SEVEN? THEY'RE NOT WITH FRED WITHOUT PREJUDICE? NO, I DID NOT SUPPORT THAT.

AND PLACE 15 OF COURSE, YES.

MOTION, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7.

FAIL FAILS.

OKAY, MOTION FAILS, WHICH RETURNS US TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION OF DENIAL WITH PREJUDICE OF THIS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'D JUST LIKE TO PROVE WHY I WENT THROUGH THE MOTION AND DON'T AGREE WITH THE MOTION.

UM, I, WHEN I DROVE THE AREA AND EVEN LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE, THE AREAS, THERE'S A PROTECTIVE BARRIER THAT PROTECTS A LOT OF THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COPEN HILL FROM 6 35, THAT BORDER STOPS.

UM, RIGHT BEFORE WE GET TO COPEN HILL, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOME, THERE'S A CLEARING THAT I GUESS IS OWNED BY THE HOTEL THAT CLEARING, UM, IS THERE.

AND THEN I SEE WHERE THE, THE GATE IS FOR, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL PROTECTION STARTS.

THAT RESIDENTIAL START, UM, BEGINS BEHIND THE HOME OR THE, THE RESIDENT, THE, THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, UM, THOSE WERE THE REASONS THAT I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

UM, SO THIS BARRIER IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT.

IT'S TO THE WEST AND THEN THAT GREEN SPACE IS FARTHER TO THE WEST, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, MOTION TO DENY WITH PREJUDICE.

SET RECOMMENDATION HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 21ST, 2024.

ANY OPPOSED? NA.

NOW BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THREE.

SO THAT'S REUBEN, HERBERT AND OCK WERE NAYS.

CAN YOU GET COMMISSIONER HAWK HAS HER HANDOFF AND HAWK.

PARDON? PARDON ME? COMMISSIONER HAWK.

NO PROBLEM.

SO LUIN HERBERT HAWK.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MO.

UH, MOTION PASSES.

UM, WE'RE ON CASE NUMBER 18 Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 1.

THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 34 DASH ZERO ONE.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT.

LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OF TAVERN AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONE AND FWMU THREE DASH SH WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITH A SHOP FRONT, FRONT OVERLAY WITH PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON A NORTHEAST LINE OF BOTTOM.

JOHN BOULEVARD, SOUTHEAST OF SOUTH BOULEVARD.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY, UM, DOES ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM? OKAY, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

UM, I BELIEVE YOU INTENDED TO HOLD THIS ITEM, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YEAH.

THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, IN THIS APPLICATION AT SOME POINT.

? YES SIR.

I'M HAPPY FOR YOU TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 0 1, I MOVE TO HOLD, UH, TO KEEP THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 30 TO MARCH 21ST, 2024.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION.

UM, NO, THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN, UM, UM, ADVISED FOR OVER NINE MONTHS AT THIS POINT, AND SO WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THEM TO, TO UPDATE

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GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF HOLDING THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT OF MARCH 21ST.

I, ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

UM, ITEM NUMBER 19.

UH, THIS ITEM DID NOT GET BRIEFED THIS MORNING.

UH, AND SO MAYBE I'LL ASK MS. BLUE TO PROVIDE US A BRIEFING BEFORE WE UH, HEAR THE CASE.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 19 Z 2 34 DASH 1 63.

IT IS A APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 29 ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF ROMINE AVENUE BETWEEN LAIR STREET AND ATLANTA STREET.

HERE'S SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVISED AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, AMENDED CONDITIONS.

I'LL START MY BRIEFING.

SO AS I STATED EARLIER, THIS IS Z 2 34 DASH 1 63.

IT IS THE APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 7 29.

THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF A EXISTING YMCA FACILITY AND ASSOCIATE IMPROVEMENTS IS LOCATED OFF THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF ROW MINE AVENUE BETWEEN LAIR STREET AND ATLANTA IS APPROXIMATELY 3.6623 ACRES AND IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN.

HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE, UH, CITY LIMIT.

IT'S IN SOUTH DALLAS, LOCATED WITHIN THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.

HERE IS THE AREA MAP.

HERE IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING SURROUNDING, UH, USES.

THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL USES AROUND, THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED, UH, LAND, SOME SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH.

THERE IS A OFFICE USE AND THE CHURCH USE THAT ARE, UH, THE OFFICE USE IS IN S NC, I'M SORRY.

AND THEN THE CHURCH USE IS NT I'M SORRY, IT'S IN R FIVE.

UM, LOOKING TO THE WEST, THERE'S A CHILDCARE FACILITY THAT'S AN NC THAT'S ALSO OWNED BY THE YMCA AND THEN SOUTH THERE'S A CHURCH, THERE'S ALSO A PUBLIC SUE, AND THEN THERE'S A CITY PARK, UM, SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE APP, A APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED ON NOVEMBER THE 15TH OF 23 FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT.

BUT AFTER FURTHER REVIEW, UH, THE SCOPE OF WORK WAS NOT IN LINE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT.

SO ANOTHER APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED JANUARY THE 31ST OF 24 FOR THE, THE FULL ZONING AMENDMENT.

UM, SITE REQUEST INFORMATION.

SOUTH PARK YMCA OPERATES AT THE EXISTING SITE AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER AND A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUB AND AREA.

THE EXISTING APPROXIMATELY 42 40 2000 SQUARE FEET FACILITY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1970.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEME DEMOLISH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW ONE EXCEPT THE BASKETBALL FIELD AND THE PLAYGROUND AT THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN.

HERE'S A FEW ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO THERE'S A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT'S WAS APPROVED BY CPC AUGUST OF 2023.

AND THEN ALSO THERE ARE SOME SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THAT ARE PENDING, UM, AND WILL BE HANDLED AT PERMITTING FOR THE INTERSECTION OF LAIR AND ROMA AVENUE.

HERE'S THE REQUEST IN DETAIL.

SO THE PURPOSE, THE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW APPROXIMATELY 39,000 SQUARE FOOT YMCA BUILDING, A ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE PLAY AREA, RECONFIGURATION OF SURFACE PARKING, RELOCATION OF A DRIVER APPROACHES ALONG LADDER MIRROR AND ALSO R MINE AVENUE.

UM, ADDITIONAL POINT OF ACCESS ALONG ATLANTA STREET, UM, SOME SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN NEW PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES.

AND SO NOW I'LL GO THROUGH SOME SITE VISITS, SOME SITE PHOTOS.

WE'RE GONNA START AT LAIR AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO ROMAINE AND THEN WE'LL WORK OUR WAY AROUND TO ATLANTA STREET.

SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH 'EM.

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AND SO HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING USES THAT I SPOKE OF EARLIER.

THIS IS THE PRIVATE SCHOOL SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE PUBLIC PARK AND THEN ALSO THE CHURCH.

HERE IS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE REPLACED.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE, UM, THE NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

HERE'S ENLARGED PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HERE I HAVE THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SIDE BY SIDE.

SO AS WE'RE LOOKING NORTH AT ROMAINE ROMA AVENUE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PARKING LOT IS BEING RECONFIGURED.

UM, I NOTICED THERE IS A PHE ON THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, BUT IT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTED.

SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A BASKETBALL, EXISTING BASKETBALL COURT AND ALSO A PLAYGROUND AT THE NORTH OF THE .

AND SO HERE WE'RE LOOKING SOUTH AT THE PROPERTY.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW DRIVE APPROACH ALONG ATLANTA STREET WITH TWO PARKING SPACES.

AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A NEW PARKING LINE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, NEW TO NEXT TO THE BUILDING.

AND THEN ALSO THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, UH, IS BEING REVISED AND CHANGED.

AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE THE NEW PLAYGROUND ABOVE THE PARKING SOUTH.

HERE IS THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN TO BE RE REPLACED.

UM, HERE'S THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

HERE'S ENLARGED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

IT MATCHES THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

I DID NOT STATE, BUT LET ME GO BACK AND STATE THIS FOR THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

WE DO HAVE A BOX IN PLACE AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE THE APPLICANT GO IN AND REVISE IT TO CURRENT, UH, CURRENT DESIGN UNTIL THEY CAN GET TO PERMITTED AND WORK OUT THE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, PER CITY STANDARDS.

SO WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO REVISE THE PLANS LANDSCAPE AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO SHOW THE CURRENT CURRENT DESIGN AT THIS CORNER UNTIL THEY CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH ENGINEERING.

HERE'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

UM, THE THING THAT, MAJOR THINGS THAT CHANGE HERE.

SO FOR THE SETBACKS, UH, THE LANGUAGE CALLED OUT AS SHOWN ON DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AFTER FURTHER RESEARCH, WE DID FIND THAT THERE ARE PLATTED BILL LINES ALONG LAIR AND ALSO RIGHT ROW LINE AVENUE.

SO WE ACTUALLY PUT THAT INTO THE LANGUAGE.

AND SO THE SETBACK SIDE SETBACKS, THE REAL SETBACK WAS ALSO PER, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND SO WE PUT THE LANGUAGE IN FOR THE SETBACKS THAT REFER BACK TO RTN.

UM, AND THE OTHER CHANGES IS THAT THERE IS A SIX FOOT, UM, FENCE THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE FRONT YARD ALONG ATLANTA.

SO WE PUT THAT IN THE LANGUAGE AS WELL.

AND THEN WE ALSO ENTERED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT FENCE.

I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED AMENDED CONDITIONS.

UM, AS I STATED EARLIER, WE ACTUALLY ADDED A DEFINITION FOR THE OPEN FENCE SINCE IT'S GONNA BE IN THE FRONT YARD ALONG ATLANTA.

UM, AND AND ALSO IN SECTION 3 0 1 1 0 3 0.3, WE ALSO INCORPORATED THE EXHIBITS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.

UM, HERE WHERE I TALKED ABOUT THE LOT YARD AND SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR FRONT YARD AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS, WE ADDED THOSE INTO THE LANGUAGE.

UM, HERE'S SOME MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE FENCE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, WE STATED THAT ABOUT THE SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG ATLANTA AND THEN ALSO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT FENCE SO IT WON'T OBSTRUCT THE VISUAL VIEW OF CLIMATE TRAFFIC.

UM, FOR LANDSCAPING, WE DID ADD SOME ITEMS SINCE THE LANDSCAPING, UH, WAS PER THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LAND PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, I'M SORRY.

AND SO IT'S NOT ARTICLE 10.

SO WE DID ADD SOME CONDITIONS WHERE SCREENING SHRUGS AT PLANTED SHOULD BE AT LEAST TWO, UH, FIVE, IT'S A MINIMUM OF TWO FEET.

I'M SORRY, I LOST, LOST.

I WAS READING TWO FEET IN HEIGHT.

AND THEN ALSO THE SPECIES OF PLANT TREES THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE SITE.

WE DO WANT THEM TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPROVED TREE CITY APPROVED TREE LIST.

UM, FOR LIGHTING, WE JUST WENT IN AND ADDED OUTDOOR, UH, ATHLETIC FIELD INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE SOCCER FIELD HERE IS FOR SIDEWALKS.

SO THE SIDEWALKS, WE DO WANNA BRING THOSE UP TO STANDARDS AND THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH US THAT WE DO WANT A FIVE FOOT BUFFER.

WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR A BI BUFFER.

WE DO WANT A SI SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG ATLANTA AND ROW MINE, SO IT COULD BE A DA ACCESSIBLE.

AND THEN FOR LAIR, WE WANT TO EXTEND THAT TO AN UNDESTRUCTIVE EIGHT FOOT

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SIDEWALK FOR DESIGN STANDARDS.

WE WENT IN AND WE SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AND WE DECIDED TO ACTUALLY GO IN AND PUT SOME PEDESTRIAN AMEN AMENITIES.

THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT'S LOCATED ALONG THE SITE THAT THESE ITEMS WILL BE PLACED IN.

UM, WE HAVE A SIX FOOT BENCH, SIX FOOT BENCH AND THEN ALSO A TRASH RECEPTACLE AND THEN BICYCLE RACK.

AND SO THIS IS THE ONLY ONLY BOX THAT WE HAVE LEFT, UM, IN THE CONDITIONS.

THIS IS FOR THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG LAMORE AND ROW MINE AVENUE.

UM, WE DID TALK TO THE APPLICANT.

THEY DO AGREE ABOUT THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT IS THIS ONE LINE THAT STAFF RECOMMEND THAT WE LEAVE IN IT JUST TO INCLUDE THE REMOVE OF THE CHANNEL LINE TURN.

NOW AS I, WHEN I WENT TO THE SITE AND VISIT THE SITE, I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE CORNER OF ROLL MINE AND LATIMORE AND I STOOD AT THAT CORNER AND I TRIED TO CROSS THE STREET AND I COULDN'T SEE THE STREET OR ORANGE COMING CORNER COMING TRAFFIC UNTIL I ACTUALLY GOT TO THE ISLAND THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

SO IT WAS A VERY HIGH RISK FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AT THAT INTERSECTION.

AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AS I STATED EARLIER, APPROVAL, BUT SUBJECT TO REVISED AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF, UM, A REVISED AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, CONDITIONS.

A PUBLIC, FOR A, UH, STREET THAT WAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, I'M GONNA HAVE A CONCERN WITH.

AS WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN A BRIEFING, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MS. BLUE, MS MS, UH, WHEELER.

UM, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE ON THE SITE PLAN IS THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY NO, UH, ENTRY, UM, TO THE SITE FROM THE ATLANTA SIDE.

THE ATLANTA SIDE IS A VERY, VERY, VERY NARROW STREET, UM, WITH ALMOST PARKING CAN ONLY BE ON ONE SIDE OF THAT STREET BECAUSE OF HOW NARROW THAT IS CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO ENTRY INTO THE SITE.

UM, AND ANY TYPE OF ENTRY INTO THE SITE WILL IN SOME KIND OF WAY HARM THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON ATLANTA, WHERE AS YOU HAVE ROW MINE AND, UM, YOU HAVE R MINE AND A LATIMER THAT IS WIDER STREETS AND THAT IS HOW THE ENTRY HAS BEEN MADE ALWAYS EVEN TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.

IT WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUESTED BY, UM, BY STAFF OR WAS THAT REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT? SO THE ADDITIONAL ACCESS ON ATLANTA WAS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

I WILL STATE, I DO NOT KNOW, UM, I DO KNOW FROM THE PLAT THAT THEY'RE DEDICATING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHEN IMPROVEMENTS WILL HAPPEN ON THAT STREET.

UM, SO DID YOU, DID YOU LOOK AT IT HOW THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTFUL IN ANY KINDA WAY? BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT STREET IS IS NOT EVEN ON A, IT'S THE STREET IS SUCH A NARROW STREET YES MA'AM.

THAT AT ANY IMPACT.

UM, AND, AND THERE IS HOUSES DIRECTLY, UM, WHERE THAT ENTRY, THAT THERE'S TWO HOUSES THAT WOULD BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THAT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, THOSE, IT HAS NOT NORMALLY BEEN ANYTHING EVEN WHEN THEY DEDICATED PARK SPACE.

UM, WELL ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S UM, IT'S A GAR PART OF THE GARDEN.

UM, SO I, MY CONCERN, EVERYTHING ELSE IS NOT A MAJOR CONCERN, BUT I I, INCLUDING ANY TYPE OF ENTRY INTO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, I, I THINK WOULD CAUSE A, UH, FROM THE ATLANTA STREET SIDE WOULD CAUSE A, AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY THAT FAR DOWN ATLANTA, MAYBE AT THE BEGINNING BUT NOT AT THE REAR, UM, NOT FURTHER DOWN WHERE THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS AT.

MAYBE, MAYBE I SHOULD, I CLAR I'M GONNA CLARIFY.

SO THERE IS MAIN POINT OF INGRESS AND EGRESS ON LAIR AND THEN ALSO ROW MINE FOR, UM, I WOULD SAY NOT REALLY PEDESTRIAN, BUT FOR VEHICULAR ACCESS.

AND SO THE, THE ACCESS POINT AT ATLANTA IS BASICALLY A SERVICE ACCESS POINT.

I, I, I GET THAT.

AND, BUT IT'S STILL, AND AGAIN, IF ATLANTA WAS AS WIDE AS ONE OF THE NORMAL STREETS, JUST A NORMAL STREET, I WOULDN'T BE ASKING YOU THAT.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR STREET IS A VERY, YOU CAN'T PARK TWO CARS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE, ON, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET AND GET DOWN THAT STREET.

THAT STREET IS VERY NARROW.

WHOEVER BUILT IT, I DON'T, THE PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE CARS.

IT HAD TO BE THE REASON.

BUT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH ATLANTA STREET.

YOU CAN'T PARK TWO CARS.

AND SO EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A SERVICE ENTRANCE, THE ENTRANCE, A SERVICE ENTRANCE PRIOR WAS EITHER GOING AROUND THE BUILDING FROM, UM, THE LADDER, ENTERING FROM LATIMER OR ROMA GOING AROUND THE BUILDING OR ENTERING FROM THE REAR OFF OF LATIMER BEHIND, UM, OFF OF LATIMER, BEHIND THE BUILDING.

IT HAS NEVER BEEN ACCESSIBLE FROM, UM, FROM ATLANTA, ONLY WHEN THERE WERE HOUSES ON ATLANTA.

BUT, UM, SO THAT'S A GREAT CONCERN FOR THE IMPACT.

ANY IMPACT FOR A BUSINESS OR, UM, ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS FOR

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OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO CONCERN WITH THE EG GRACE AND INGRESS ONLY ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET OF ANY SORT, WHETHER IT'S A SERVICE ENTRY, UM, OR ANY, ANYWAY, IT'S ON A, THAT IT, THEY WANNA HAVE OTHER RELIANCE THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH AND HAVE WORKED QUITE WELL IN THE PAST YEARS.

IF, IF, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, SO WE'RE, SINCE WE'RE STILL IN THE BRIEFING, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD AND ANSWERED YOUR ACTUAL QUESTION ABOUT THAT, WHICH WAS, WAS THIS A SUGGESTION OF STAFF OR WAS IT A REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT? IS THAT THE, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

AND ALSO DID, WHEN STAFF WENT TO GO DO THEIR SITE VISIT, DID THAT, WHY DID NOT THAT COME UP AS A CAUSAL CONCERN? BECAUSE OF HOW NARROW THE STREET IS.

SO WE CAN HAVE, UH, WE CAN HAVE DAVID NAVAREZ ADDRESS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT I THINK THAT TIA'S RESPONSE REGARDING TWO PO TWO POINTS TO THAT ONE IS THAT THERE IS RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION COMING AS PART OF THE PLAT.

THERE IS A, AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH IS REQUESTING, SORRY, ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY TO WIDEN THAT STREET.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS THAT IT'S A, IT'S STRICTLY FOR A SERVICE ACCESS SO THAT THEY CAN ACCESS TO BASICALLY EMPTY THE DUMPSTER THAT'S THERE.

IT'S NOT REALLY A MAIN POINT OF ACCESS, SO A DUMP.

SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S THE RIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS SO THAT, UM, THAT DUMPSTER CAN BE EMPTY BECAUSE THAT'S EVEN A GRAVER CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE SMALL, HOW SMALL THE STREET IS.

AND THERE IS RIGHT OF WAY IT HAS FUNCTIONED FOR, FOR ALL THESE YEARS WITHOUT A ENTRY THAT FOR IF THERE WAS, IF IT WAS CLOSER TO ATLANTA AND, UM, AT THE BEGINNING MAYBE, BUT THIS IS ALL THE WAY DOWN IN THE, ALMOST TO THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

AND SO IT'S A GRAVE CONCERN ONLY THAT ENTRANCE THAT FAR DOWN IS A GRAVE CONCERN WHEN THEY HAVE HAD ACCESS FROM BEHIND THE BUILDING FROM THE LATIMER STREET SIDE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.

CERTAINLY.

SO DO, IF WE HAVE DAVID ONLINE RIGHT NOW, PERHAPS WE COULD GET HIM TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

HE IS HERE, YES.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER.

WE, WE TRULY APPRECIATE WHEN COMMISSIONERS GROW INTO A, A, A PLACE WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE VERY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS ONE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT EYESIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT IS A CONCERN OF THE ACCESS INTO THE PROPOSED SITE.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT FOR A WHILE ON THEIR ENGINEERING PLANS.

UM, I HEAR YOU ON THE CONCERNS RELATED TO THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD.

UH, THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH WE CAN DO AS FAR AS THE PAVEMENT WIDTH.

IT IS WHAT IT'S, WHAT IT IS, WHAT HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.

AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON BOTH SIDES, THIS ROAD WILL FOREVER BE 18 FEET WIDE AND WILL REMAIN 18 FEET WIDE.

UH, WHAT, BUT WE'VE COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.

SO ONE IS, UH, WE'RE PROCEEDING WITH AN AMENDMENT TO ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WILL MAKE THIS A ONE-WAY ALSO, UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DESIGN VEHICLE ACCESSING THIS DRIVEWAY WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ACCESS POINT WITHOUT AFFECTING THE, THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOME.

SO WE'LL BE PUTTING NO PARKING SIGNS ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF ATLANTA SO THAT VEHICLES CAN ONLY PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES.

IT WILL BE A ONE WAY STREET FACING NORTHBOUND, AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY DIMENSIONS WILL BE, WILL BE SO THAT IT WILL ACCOMMODATE THE MANEUVER OF A VEHICLE PULLING IN THE, UM, THE DUMPSTER WILL BE SCREENED AND ALL MANEUVERS WILL TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE SITES, UM, COMING IN AND OUT.

UM, THE, THAT VEHICLE WILL BE ABLE TO PULL IN AND THEN BACK OUT, UH, WITH A OVERSIZED RADIUS, UH, BASED ON CITY STANDARDS, BUT YET SUFFICIENT FOR THAT VEHICLE TO, UM, EXIT OUT.

UM, IF THIS IS A CONCERN, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY, UM, BRING THIS BACK TO, TO OUR, UM, BACK, BACK TO TISHA FOR DISCUSSION.

SO, SO AGAIN, SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS SHOULD BE NO DUE HARM ON THE COMMUNITY.

SO PUTTING UP A ONE WAY ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET, UM, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD CAUSE THE, UH, IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF A COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE OF A COMMERCIAL ENTITY, THEY HAVE OTHER ACCESS POINTS FOR THE DUMPSTER THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE.

SO MY CONCERN IS HOW DID WE COME UP AND EVEN PUTTING NO PARKING SIGNS FOR THE COMMUNITY, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THAT THAT WOULD IMPACT THE RESIDENTIAL THOSE IN THE, THE RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THE DUMPSTER TO BE DUMPED FROM WHERE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FROM LATIMER OR THROUGH THE PARKING LOT, THAT IT'S,

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IT THAT A THANK YOU.

MAY I CLARIFY TC ONE, THE WALKABILITY, I'M SORRY.

ONE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION THERE.

UH, THE OPERATIONS OF THE ROAD AND THE NO PARKING HAT ARE INDEPENDENT FROM THIS PROPOSED DRIVEWAY.

THEY'RE, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY TO, UH, CLEAN EXISTING CONDITIONS AND, AND SO WE'RE PUTTING, DO NOT ENTER SIGNS ON, ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE IS, EVERYONE IS ARRIVING FROM THE SIDE.

SO HAS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AROUND THIS? BECAUSE WHAT WE DO, I I CAN TELL YOU, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CONCERNING ONE WAY STREETS IN SOUTH DALLAS HAS NOT, OFTENTIMES IT HAS WENT WITHOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN, THE CITY MADE A DECISION AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY LEADERS ARE GETTING CALLS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SURROUNDING THAT.

HAS THERE ANY BEEN ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ABOUT MAKING ATLANTA A ONE WAY STREET OR TO THOSE NEIGHBORS ON THAT STREET? HAVE THERE BEEN ANY TYPE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT? THE, THE ONE WAY, THE ONE WAY CONDITION IS A PROPOSED SOLUTION, IT REQUIRES TO GO THROUGH COUNSEL AND IT REQUIRES INPUT AND APPROVAL FROM A MAJORITY OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER.

SO TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL.

IT'S, AND WHAT IT SAYS BEING PROPOSED TO RECTIFY EXISTING CONDITIONS INDEPENDENT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.

SO I'LL, I'LL WAIT TILL WE GET TO THE APPLICANT AND ASK THE APPLICANT.

WOULD THEY RECONSIDER THAT, THAT THEY'VE NOT, THEY'VE NEVER HAD TO USE THAT ATLANTA STREET AS AN ENTRY.

AND I, I'M GONNA TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT POSSIBLY MOVING THAT.

'CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY THING I FIND PROBLEMS WITH PROBLEMATIC.

AGAIN, IT'S A 18 FOOT STREET WHITE STREET.

I ALSO DO WANNA REITERATE SOMETHING THAT DAVID SAID, WHICH IS THAT, THAT THAT RESOLUTION IS SEPARATE FROM THE CURRENT ZONING CASE.

SO THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY PART OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.

THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROCESS.

SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT ENTRYWAY BECAUSE IT'S ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE, IT IS ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT, FOR A ENTRY OFF OF ATLANTA ONTO THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ENTRY POINT, BUT NOT THE, THE ROADWAY CONDITION.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE ROADWAY CONDITION FOR THE ENTRY POINT.

ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ROADWAY BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REQUESTING A NEW EGRESS INTO EGRESS, UH, INTO THAT PROPERTY THAT HAS NOT NORMALLY BEEN THERE AND WHAT THE USE IS GONNA BE FOR WHEN IN THE PAST THEY HAVE NOT HAD TO HAVE THAT AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO USE THE DUMPSTER QUITE REGULARLY WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO GO THROUGH ATLANTA.

AND AGAIN, LATIMER IS A VERY WIDE STREET AND R MINE IS A SIZABLE, UM, STREET THAT THEY COULD USE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE ACCESS POINT IS SEPARATE FROM THE ZONING CASE.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THE ACCESS POINT IS PART OF THE ZONING CASE, BUT THE POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR THE ONE WAY AND ALL THAT IS A SEPARATE MATTER.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE WE GONNA GO INTO THE HEARING? OKAY.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN GO INTO THE HEARING.

MS. BLUE, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND READ IT IN THE RECORD ONE MORE TIME AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF BE OFFICIAL HERE.

ITEM NUMBER 19 Z 2 34 DASH 1 63.

A APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 7 29 ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF ROW MINE AVENUE BETWEEN LAME STREET AND ATLANTA STREET STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLANS, A REVISED AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED AMENDED CONDITIONS.

THAT'S CONTINGENT ON, YOU KNOW, A, A DATE CERTAIN, UM, WHERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE IMPETUS OF US COMING BEFORE YOU AND TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, UM, TO KEEP THOSE FUNDING MECHANISMS, UM, AVAILABLE TO THE YMCA.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

ANDREW REIG, 2201 MAIN STREET, UM, HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, YMCA OF DALLAS.

UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, BEING HERE TODAY WITH US.

UM, COUPLE NOTES THAT I WANTED TO MAKE.

UH, YOU HEARD EARLIER THAT THIS, UH, UH, THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT OF PARK SOUTH YMCA AND WE HAD ENGAGED WITH STAFF IN, UH, JUNE OF LAST YEAR TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DO A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, KIND OF GET A SCOPE OF HOW THIS PROCESS WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

UM, AS STAFF NOTED AT THAT TIME, WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS WOULD BE A MINOR AMENDMENT, UH, PROCESS, SUBMITTED THE MINOR AMENDMENT APPLICATION, AND THEN, UH, WE'RE SUBSEQUENTLY TOLD THAT THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR AMENDMENT.

UM, WE DO WANNA THANK STAFF FOR UNDERSTANDING AND HELPING US EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS TO GET US HERE TODAY.

UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T FOLLOW THE TYPICAL ZONING CASE SCHEDULE BECAUSE THERE IS, UM, SOME FUNDING WITH THE YMCA

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UM, ON THE FACE OF IT, WE DID FEEL LIKE THIS WAS INITIALLY A MINOR AMENDMENT.

WE'RE REALLY ACTUALLY SHRINKING OUR BUILDING FOOTPRINT, ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET, REARRANGING THE PARKING, UM, AND SOME ACCESS DRIVE.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT PUSHED IT INTO A MAJOR AMENDMENT.

UM, AS WE HEARD IN THE BRIEFING, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY, UH, OBJECTION THAT WE HAD WAS TO THE WORDING IN THE, UM, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING SECTION OF THE PD WHERE WE'D LIKE FOR THE DESIGN OF A, AN INTERSECTION, UM, ON, UH, ROW MINE AND LATIMER, UH, TO BE REVIEWED AT PERMITTING AND NOT NECESSARILY CODIFIED WITH THE ZONING.

UM, WITH THE MORE RECENT DISCUSSION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, ONE THING WE DID WANT TO POINT OUT WAS THAT THE, UM, ACCESS POINT ON ATLANTA IS FOR A, IS FOR FIRE ACCESS.

UM, SO THEY, OUR, OUR BUILDING CAN BE PROPERLY SERVED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UH, THIS ALSO DOUBLES AS A SERVICE DRIVE, BUT THE IMPETUS OF THAT ACCESS POINT THERE WAS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CONVERSATIONS WITH RICKY BUTLER AND HIS TEAM.

UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL, UM, OBVIOUSLY BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND, UM, I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UM, UH, MR. MR. HAZELBAKER.

I'M KURT HAZELBAKER.

I'M THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE YMCA METROPOLITAN DALLAS, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND, AND LETTING US BRING THIS TO YOU.

TODD BAKER IS ALSO ON THE LINE.

HE'S OUR, UM, CHIEF PROPERTY OFFICER.

HE CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING IN THE PARK SOUTH YMCA IN SOUTH DALLAS.

IT OPENED UP IN 1971, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN THERE 53 YEARS.

UM, AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY THREE YEARS AGO, WE BEGAN A JOURNEY TO RAISE FUNDS TO REPLACE THAT FACILITY AND HAD GREAT SUPPORT.

THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE'VE RAISED THE FUNDS THAT WE NEEDED TO, UH, TO REBUILD THAT YMCA.

AS ANDREW SAID, WE'RE BUILDING A BUILDING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, MUCH MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE SAME AMENITIES AS THE BUILDING THAT WE HAD, UH, IN PLACE FOR 50 PLUS YEARS.

UM, WE LOOK AT IT, WE WANT A FACILITY THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN BE PROUD OF THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PARK CITIES, NORTH ALICE AND LAKE HIGHLANDS.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE SAME TYPE OF FACILITY THAT WE BUILD AT THE PARK SOUTH YMCA.

SO I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE OR TODD IS ON THE LINE AS WELL AS I SAID, UH, OR ANDREW CAN, UH, FOR YOU.

UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.

UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE? OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, I NOTICED SPEAKING OF ATLANTA, THERE'S, UH, FOR A SECTION OF THAT AREA, THERE'S HOUSES ON ONE SIDE, BUT AS YOU GO FURTHER, THERE ARE HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, INCLUDING ONE THAT YOUR PROPERTY SURROUNDS.

HAS CONSIDERATION OR, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS BEEN HAD ABOUT ATLANTA? YES, I, I BELIEVE, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETINGS, UH, IN THE SUMMER OF, OF LAST YEAR TO LET THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY KNOW, UH, WHAT THE PLAN WAS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF, UH, THE PARK SOUTH YMCA.

OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. COMMISSIONER TURNOCK, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, YEAH, I WAS JUST, UM, WANTING YOU TO COMMENT ON, UH, THE INTERSECTION THAT LATIMER STAFF HAS, WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO ONE THING AND YOU'D LIKE TO DO THE OTHER.

WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO YOUR SURE.

UH, THE REALLY THE, THE IMPETUS OF OUR APPLICANT REQUEST IS TO STRIKE, UH, LANGUAGE THAT SAYS TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF THE CHANNELIZED TURN LANE.

THAT MAY BE WHAT WE END UP DOING, UM, AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ZONING REQUEST AND GETTING ENGINEERING PLANS APPROVED.

BUT WE'D LIKE TO FURTHER VET THAT WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT COULD OCCUR WHERE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ONLY ROUTE THAT WE HAVE TO GO DOWN.

UM, SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, YES, WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION.

UM, BUT DETAILING IT THAT THE CHANNELIZED TURN LANE IS SOMETHING THAT MUST BE REMOVED IS WHAT WE HAVE OBJECTION TO.

THERE COULD BE A WAY TO KEEP THAT LANE AND PERHAPS CLOSE, UM, THE, THE OTHER SIDE, UH, OF THE STREET OR FIND OUT AN A DA ACCESSIBLE ROUTE THAT WILL ALSO, YOU KNOW, MEET ENGINEERING STANDARDS.

BUT REALLY WE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CODIFY, UH, THE REMOVAL OF THAT IN ZONING IS, IS OUR, OUR REQUEST RIGHT NOW.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? UH, UM, JUST AS I GAVE C STAFF, THE YMCA HAS NEVER

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HAD TO USE, UM, ATLANTA STREET FOR, FOR EGRESS OR INGRESS.

THEY'VE NEVER HAD TO USE IT.

THERE IS A ALMOST WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

UM, MY CONCERN IS ANY, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO COME OFF OF ATLANTA TO SERVICE THE YMCA, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, CAN, CAN REMOVE THAT INGRESS EGRESS? UM, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO, TO DO A LOT BECAUSE OF FUNDING ISSUES, BUT THAT IS A GRAVE CONCERN FOR ME THAT TO ANY IMPACT ON ATLANTA FROM ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE.

AND WE KNOW THAT THE YMCA IS HEAVILY USED AND SO, UM, PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE BACK PARKING LOT NOW ON JUST ON LATIMER.

YEAH, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO THAT AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE CONCERN, UM, WITH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR ACCESS POINT ON ATLANTA, IT IS FOR FIRE ACCESS AND SERVICE VEHICLES ONLY.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO PARKING SPOTS WHICH WE CAN RESERVE FOR STAFF THAT ARE LOCATED THERE, BUT IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A PRIMARY ENTRANCE FOR THE PATRONS OF THIS, OF THE PARK SOUTH YMCA.

SO IT'LL BE A SELDOM USED, UM, ACCESS POINT.

AND THE REASON THAT WE PUT IT IN THERE INITIALLY WAS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH RICKY BUTLER, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, WE NEEDED TO HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, I GUESS BUMP OUT, UH, TO ONTO OUR SITE SO WE'RE ALLOWED TO MEET THE FIRE STANDARDS TO SPRINKLE THE BUILDING.

UM, SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT CAME OUT OF THE DESIGN AND TALKING WITH THE CITY, UH, DURING THE PERMITTING PHASE AND, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING THOSE PLANS WITH HIM.

SO DOES THE TRASH HAVE TO BE ON THAT PARTICULAR, BE ON THAT PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING? BECAUSE AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS ANYTHING THAT WOULD WILL HARM, WELL, I CAN'T BELIEVE A CONVERSATION HAPPENED WITH ATLANTA STREET, THOSE PEOPLE IN ATLANTA, AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH ANYTHING THAT WOULD IN ANY WAY, UM, CAUSE ANY, ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC IMPACT, UM, TO THEIR STREET BECAUSE THEY ALREADY ARE AT WITS END.

SO IT, DOES THE TRASH RECEPTACLE HAVE TO BE ON THAT PARTICULAR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR CAN IT BE MOVED TO THE LATIMER STREET SIDE, WHICH HAS A WIDER, UM, UM, WIDTH BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENTIONS IS, BUT WE DO KNOW INTENTIONS GO AWAY ONCE IT'S BUILT.

I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO MOVING THE TRASH RECEPTACLE.

SO THAT'S NOT, I THINK, I MEAN THAT'S PROBABLY THE ANSWER RIGHT THERE IS WE COULD MOVE THE TRASH TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION POTENTIALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE, I MEAN, THE FIRE ACCESS WOULD STILL NEED TO REMAIN THERE.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE DRIVEWAY.

WOULD THE ACCESS POINT, I SHOULD SAY FOR FIRE SAFETY PURPOSES WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO REMAIN WITH OUR, UH, BUILDING CONFIGURATION.

BUT I THINK WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, RELOCATING THE DUMPSTER SO IT'S NOT AS USED, YOU KNOW, AS FREQUENTLY.

SO MY CONCERN IS DEFINITELY NOT BEING USED FOR ANY COM, ANY COMMERCIAL VEHICLES GOING ONTO THE Y PROPERTY TO ACCESS THE Y FROM THAT PARTICULAR STREET, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IF YOU PUT THAT TRASH RECEPTACLE, UM, WE CAN'T GET DOWN THE STREET ALREADY.

THEY CAN'T GET DOWN THE STREET IF THERE'S A REGULAR CITY DUMP TRUCK COMING DOWN FOR THEIR PERSONAL USE, WE DON'T WANNA, THAT STREET IS 18 FEET.

IT'S VERY SMALL.

SO OTHER THAN THE FIRE TRUCKS, WE, WE COULD LOOK TO MOVE THE TRASH AWAY FROM IT.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY COMMERCIAL, SHOULD BE THE ONLY COMMERCIAL ACCESS TO THE SITE.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN CONTACTED ON THIS CASE.

UM, OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SCENE NONE.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A MOTION WITH COMMENTS I MOVE TO, UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 1 63, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE REVIS OF AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVISED AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, AMENDED CONDITIONS.

AND IF I CAN GET A, UM, SECOND, I WILL HAVE COMMENTS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

SO I HAVE A GREAT CONCERN.

UM, I HAVE UNDERSTANDING THE Y HAS BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO SOUTH DALLAS.

IT HAS BEEN A, UM, FROM THE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMMING, PARTNERING WITH DISD WITH CHARLES RICE HAS BEEN A, A, UM, A PRE-K UM, APPROVED SCHOOL.

IT HAS DONE GREAT WORK.

MY VERY MUCH CONCERN IS THE, THE WAY THAT THE END PART OF THIS CASE HAS HAPPENED.

UM, I AM A COMMISSIONER WHO PROUDS HERSELF ON ANY, ANY CASE, BIG OR SMALL, BUT ESPECIALLY LARGE SCALE CASES BEING PROPERLY VETTED.

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NEVER.

UM, I WAS SAT IN ON A MEETING, MAYBE I WASN'T LISTENING, CORRECT.

MOST THINGS I HEARD WAS THE MORE OF LIKE A REMODEL, BUT IF IT WAS SAID THAT IT WAS A FULL, I WILL TAKE THAT.

BUT I HAVE NEVER BEEN VETTED BY THE APPLICANT, THE REPRESENTATIVE.

SO WHEN I START GETTING PHONE CALLS IN A RUSH SESSION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, IT IT GIVES ME CONCERN THAT SOMEONE WITH A HEAVY, WITH WITH BIG POCKETS CAN MOVE THINGS FASTER.

WHEN I HAVE OTHER PROJECTS IN MY DISTRICT THAT NEEDS THE SAME ATTENTION THAT ARE DEALING WITH, WITH, UH, FUNDING ISSUES AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT SAME, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THAT SAME TYPE OF TREATMENT.

UM, THE COMMUNITY THERE, COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT WILL PLAY BACK AND FORWARD, BUT I WAS NOT EVEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN, BE ABLE TO LOOK OVER AND BE ABLE TO EVEN TO EVALUATE IN ANY KIND OF FORMAT.

THE GREATNESS THAT THE Y DOES STILL DOES NOT OUTWEIGH THE FACT THAT IN NO FORM OF FASHION WAS, I CONTACTED NO FORM OF FASHION.

THE FIRST I HEARD OF THIS WAS TWO WEEKS AGO AND IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE CITY STAFF, HOWEVER, IT WAS, IT WAS NOT DONE UNTIL NOVEMBER 15TH.

AND THIS WAS FAST PACED WHEN THIS COULD HAVE BEEN FILED RIGHT AFTER THE PLANNING AND IT WAS NOT DONE IN, IN THAT ORDER.

AND SO I DON'T WANT IT TO GET IN THE BUSINESS THAT CITY STAFF, THERE IS TIME THAT MAYBE CITY STAFF MOVES A LITTLE SLOWER, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, IMPACT OR WHATEVER, BUT I DON'T WANNA GET ANY IMPACT THAT BECAUSE SOMETHING IS A LARGE PROJECT AND THEY HAVE DONE GREAT, THAT THEY GET TO GO FASTER THAN THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THOSE POCKETS, DON'T HAVE THOSE RESOURCES AND DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE WHAT WE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE SOMETHING A LITTLE FASTER.

SO I'M TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THIS PROJECT, BUT I'M INCLINED TO PASS IT AND APPROVE IT BECAUSE THE NEED FOR SOUTH DALLAS OUTWEIGHS THE, THE ISSUES.

BUT IT, I CAN 100% SAY THAT IF AN ISSUE LIKE THIS COMES UP AGAIN, I WILL, I WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS BEING CONSULTED AND I'M IN A MEETING TO KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY, I CAN'T SAY IF A COMMUNITY DID APPROVE IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID, I WASN'T THERE.

UM, I JUST KNOW THAT THE Y DO DOES DO GREAT WORK, BUT I DO HOW THIS PROCESS WAS HANDLED WITH CITY STAFF, HOW IT WAS PORTRAYED AS IF WE'RE, THAT, THAT IT WASN'T HANDLED IN THE BEST PROPER, UH, MANNER GIVES ME GRAVE CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE HIGH HAVE MORE WAY IN A COMMUNITY THAN A LARGER REGULAR CITIZEN.

WE HAVE PLACES, WE HAVE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT REALLY NEED A PUSH AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING THAT PUSH AND IT'S VERY UNFAIR TO THEM.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET.

WE HAVE, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

SQUARE FEET AND PROPERTY LOCATED ON HOLY AVENUE NORTHWEST OF BRYAN STREET.

WE WILL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

COMMISSION.

I, I NEED TO BREATHE AFTER THAT.

UH UH, IT'S 4 46.

4 51.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHY.

IT'S OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS,

[SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent ]

WE'VE GOT A QUORUM.

LET'S, UH, SEE IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET HERE.

WE AMENDED THE LANDSCAPE.

GOTCHA.

IT IS 4 56 BACK ON THE RECORD.

UM, SO IS MS. ESTA ON THE LINE? YES.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THESE ITEMS INTO THE RECORD PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

UH, AGENDA, UH, IT CONSISTS OF FIVE ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 20 S 21 2 DASH 0 9 2 R.

ITEM NUMBER 21 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 4.

ITEM NUMBER 22 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 7.

ITEM NUMBER 23 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 8.

ITEM NUMBER 24 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 9.

CORRECTION ON ITEM NUMBER 23 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 8.

UH, CORRECTION AND REQUEST DESCRIPTION, AN APPLICATION TO REPLAT IS 0.4515 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS FIVE THROUGH EIGHT IN CITY BLOCK 7 1 2 PART OF LOT SEVEN THROUGH 10 IN CITY BLOCK FIVE OVER 7 1 2 TO CREATE EIGHT LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 2,292 SQUARE FEET TO 2,827

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AND SAME ON ITEM NUMBER 23, CORRECTION, UM, CORRECTION AND CONDITION NUMBER 11.

THE NUMBER OF LOTS PERMITTED BY THIS PLAT IS EIGHT AND SAME ON ITEM NUMBER 23.

CORRECTION ON CONDITION NUMBER 23.

ON THE FINAL PLAT, IDENTIFY THE PROPERTY AS LOTS FIVE A, FIVE B, SIX A, SIX B, SEVEN A SEVEN BAT, AND EIGHT B AND CD BLOCK 7 1 12.

ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED DE FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU MR. RESA.

UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ARE WATCHING OR IN PRESENT HERE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THESE FIVE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT DOCKET IN ONE MOTION, UH, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS. YES SIR.

COME ON DOWN.

YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL US WHICH ITEM YOU WANT TO ADDRESS.

JORDAN LOVE, 4 0 7 1 BEACHWOOD LANE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 2 OH AND IT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER 23 HOLLY AVENUE.

UM, JUST WANNA SEE IF YOU GUYS WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A 13 FOOT, UM, RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE COULD GO DIRECTLY TO PERMITTING AND GET SIX TO SEVEN UNITS BUILT AS IS WITHOUT THE REQUEST FOR THAT 13 FOOT SETBACK.

UM, AS WELL AS THEY'RE ASKING US TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE MAIN WATER LINE AS WELL AS THE SEWER LINE.

AND SAME THING, IT'S ALREADY ZONED AS MULTI-UNIT.

WE'RE GOING FROM FOUR LOTS AND WE'RE SIMPLY JUST REQUESTING A REPL TO UM, BASICALLY LINE THE LOTS UP AND MAKE 'EM LOOK A LITTLE MORE EVEN.

AND GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS NOW WE'RE REALIZING ALL THESE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS SUCH AS EXTRA 150 GRAND REPLACING CITY WATER AS WELL AS THE SETBACK AND IT'S KIND OF REALLY THROWING THE PLANS OFF QUITE A BIT.

UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I'M WONDERING SHOULD WE SHOULD JUST PULL THIS OFF CONSENT, LET'S VOTE ON THE OTHER FOUR CASES.

WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS.

SO BEAR WITH US ABOUT 60 SECONDS.

SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA PULL ITEM 23 FROM CONSENT DOCKET, UM, OFF CONSENT, RIGHT? SO THAT WILL LEAVE THE OTHER FOUR.

UM, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.

UM, IN THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET CONSENT ITEMS 20, 21, 22 AND 24, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO I HAVE A SECOND? UM, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

WOULD THAT BE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE? SUBJECT TO COMPLY? SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING AND THOSE THAT AMENDED AT THE, THE HEARING.

AND HE'LL ACCEPT THE SECOND.

23, UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, REPEAT MY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SO THAT THOSE FOUR PASS, WE'RE BACK TO NUMBER

[23. 24-559 . An application to replat a 0.4515-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 5 through 8 in City Block 712, part of Lots 7 through 10 in City Block 5/712 to create 7 lots ranging in size from 2,292 square feet to 2,827 square feet on property located on Holly Avenue, northwest of Bryan Street. Applicant/Owner: Holly Avenue Surveyor: Texterra Surveying Application Filed: January 18, 2024 Zoning: MF-2(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 2 S234-048 ]

UM, SO WE'LL MOVE TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

UM, MR. ESTA, I THINK YOU UM, HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK REGARDING THE REQUEST REGARDING THE WATERLINE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION ON LOTS IS AT THEIR DISCRETION ON HOW IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE IT, BUT THE WATERLINE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, THOSE ARE ENGINEERING COMMENTS.

DOES THIS BODY HAVE ANY DISCRETION ON REMOVING THOSE, UM, COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING? UH, YES.

COMMISSIONER, THOSE ARE ALL THE, UH, PAVING AND DRAINAGE ENGINEERING CONDITIONS, UH, PAVING AND DRAINAGE AND WATER WASTEWATER.

AND SINCE WE ARE REPLANTING THE PROPERTY, SO WE HAVE TO, I'M LIKE THE PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH TODAY'S DALLAS CODE.

UM, THOSE ARE REQUIRED.

REVIEW COMMENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

AND SO, BUT IF THEY WANTED TO EITHER WITHDRAW THE REQUEST TO ALLOW THEM TO SUBMIT THEY A DIFFERENT PLAT CONFIGURATION, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY COULD CONSIDER, BUT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO RESPOND TO ENGINEERING

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STILL BECAUSE UH, RIGHT NOW I THINK THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, UH, REGARDING THE 28 FEET, UH, RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION.

WE HAVE A SIMPLE, UH, VIA SIMPLE OUR, UH, FEE SIMPLE, OUR SUITE EASEMENT.

THAT WILL STILL BE WHENEVER THEY COME WITH A DIFFERENT PLA APPLICATION IS THOSE REQUIREMENTS WILL STILL BE THERE BECAUSE THE HOLY AVENUE RIGHT NOW IS 30 FEET RIGHT AWAY AS UH, WE ARE REPLANTING IT HAS TO BE TWO DAYS CODE A RECOVERY, WHICH IS LOCAL STREET WHICH REQUIRE 56 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY TOTAL.

SO THAT'S LIKE 28 FEET FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE STREET.

AND SO, AND THAT'S ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF HOLLY AVENUE.

SO IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS, UM, THE LOTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION, THAT IS FOR THE STREET FRONTAGE.

IS THAT CORRECT? I'M LIKE THAT WILL REQUIRE WHENEVER THE OTHER LOT THEY COME INTO, UH, FOR REPLANTING, BUT RIGHT NOW IT, IT APPLIES ONLY TO THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE PLANNING.

SO, BUT IF SOMEONE ELSE WERE TO COME IN, THE SAME STANDARD WOULD APPLY.

AND THEN, UM, AND THIS MAY BE ONE THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT ARE YOU AWARE IF AS ENGINEERING LOOKS AT THIS, IF THERE IS A REDUCED NUMBER OF LOTS THAT IT MAY CHANGE WHATEVER THE, UM, REVIEW REGARDING WATER LINES OR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS? I KNOW THAT'S THROUGH ENGINEERING, BUT IS THERE ANY CONTEXT THAT YOU COULD GIVE TO THIS BODY? UH, I HAVE NO IDEA.

I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY, UM, INFORMATION THERE.

UM, THANK YOU MR. ESTA, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR PLEASE.

I KNOW IT'S OUT OF ORDER.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT? GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT? SURE.

I THINK Y'ALL JUST HEARD A LOT OF THAT CONVERSATION.

THE ENGINEERING REVIEW COMMENTS ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY IS ABLE TO CONSIDER OR CHANGE.

HOWEVER, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU ALL MAY WANT TO CONSIDER A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, I'M PRESUMING IT WOULD BE DENIED OR YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ASK US TO WITHDRAW THE REQUEST IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO MEET WITH CITY STAFF AND DETERMINE IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE.

WE'RE REQUIRED TO ACT ON THIS TODAY.

UM, BUT IT CAN BE WITHDRAWN.

UM, WE DEFINITELY WANNA REQUEST FOR APPROVAL.

UM, BUT ALSO JUST CURIOUS, IF WE DID GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS OF RESIDENTIAL PERMITTING OR COMMERCIAL PERMITTING AND WE ACTUALLY HAD SIX STRUCTURES BUILT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEN WE SENT IN A REQUEST FOR RE PLATING AFTER THE STRUCTURES WERE ALREADY BUILT, WOULD THE RELA BE DENIED? BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING FROM, IT'S, IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR EIGHT UNITS, BUT THERE'S LITTLE INTRICACIES THAT HAVE KIND OF RIGHT.

CAUSED US TO COME ALONG THIS PATH.

I'M GOING TO DEFER THIS TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO CONSIDER TODAY.

YES, I WOULD CONCUR COMMISSIONER.

AND TO GO TO THAT INITIAL QUESTION YOU ASKED REGARDING THE, UM, ENGINEERING.

YES, IF THE IT, IT WOULD GO BACK TO THAT NOLAN DOLAN, IT HAS TO BE PROPORTIONAL.

SO IF THEY, THE PROJECT GETS SMALLER, THE REQUEST OF THE CITY WOULD LIKEWISE GET REDUCED.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU WOULD PREFER THAT THIS BODY MOVE FORWARD TO THE REQUEST AS IT IS AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION IF YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER SOMETHING DIFFERENT WE CAN'T CHANGE IT OR SPEAK TO WHAT MIGHT BE IN A FUTURE DATE IS CORRECT.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

IN THE MATTER OF S 2 34 DASH 0 4 8, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

I HAVE ONE COMMENT IF I HAVE A SECOND AND, AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING 'CAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBER OF LOTS.

OKAY, AND YOU DO HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

SO COMMENTS.

UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING I DID FORGET TO, UM, CLARIFY WITH STAFF AND I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS ALLUDED IN THE COMMENTS TODAY.

THIS IS AN MF TWO ZONING.

UM, I THINK AS WE'RE AWARE, UM, IT IS GOVERNED AS RESIDENTIAL ZONING BY 8.503.

HOWEVER, THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA, UM, OF THE DISTRICT IS RAPIDLY EVOLVING AND, UM, I WISH THE APPLICANT LOOKED WITH THEIR PROJECT IN WHATEVER FORM IT MAY TAKE.

AND I HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

NUMBER 25 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 5.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

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[25. 24-561 . An application to replat a 1.01-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 17B and 17C in City Block B/8212 to create one lot and to approve one private street address on the proposed lot on property located on Braewood Place (Private Street), west of White Rock Creek. Applicant/Owner: A.R.T. Properties Investments L.P. Surveyor: CBG Surveying Texas, LLC Application Filed: January 18, 2024 Zoning: PD 562 (Tract 2) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 12 S234-045]

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLAT A 1.01 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 17 B AND 17 C IN CITY BLOCK B OVER 80 TO TWO 12 TO CREATE ONE LOT AND TO APPROVE ONE PRIVATE STREET ADDRESS ON THE PROPOSED LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON BAYWOOD PLACE, PRIVATE STREET, WEST OF WHITE CREEK, WHITEROCK CREEK 13 NOTICES WE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JANUARY 30, 20, 24.

AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY AND OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU MR. RESTA.

UM, I SEE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAWK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF CASE 2 4 5 6 1.

I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE RESIDENTIAL PLAT AS READ INTO THE RECORD, SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE, UH, LISTED IN THE DOCUMENT.

AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR SECOND UH, DISCUSSION.

ITEM NUMBER 26 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 4 6.

ANY OPPOSED? MO MOTION PASSES.

[26. 24-562 An application to replat a 21.933-acre tract of land containing part of Lots 1 and 24, all of Lots 2 through 23 in City Block A/2239, part of Lots 1 and 24, all of Lots 2 through 23 in City Block B/2240, part of Lot 1 and all of Lots 2 through 12 in City Block C/2241, all of Lots 1 through 16 in City Block H/2242 to create one lot on property located on Malcolm X Boulevard at Elsie Faye Heggins Street, northeast corner. Applicant/Owner: Dallas Independent School District Surveyor: Gozalez & Schneeberg, Engineers and Surveyors, Inc. Application Filed: January 17, 2024 Zoning: PD 595 (R-5(A)) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 7 S234-046]

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLET A 21.933 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF LOTS ONE AND 24, ALL OF LOTS TWO THROUGH 23 IN C BLOCK A OVER 2239 PART OF LOTS ONE AND 24, ALL OF LOTS TWO THROUGH 23 IN C BLOCK B OVER 2240 PART OF LOT ONE AND ALL OF LOTS TWO THROUGH TWO AND C BLOCKS C OVER 22, 41, ALL OF LOTS.

ONE THROUGH 16 IN CITY BLOCK EDGE OVER 2242 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON MALCOLM X BOULEVARD.

AT AT LC FAY HAGGINS STREET, NORTHEAST CORNER 82.

NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JANUARY 30, 20, 24.

AND WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

I SEE NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE EITHER.

UM, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF, IN THE, IN THE MATTER OF S 2 34 DASH 0 4 6, I MOVE TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

WE NEED A MOTION ON THE MINUTES FROM OUR PAST MEETING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

I I MOVE TO DEFER THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES BECAUSE I HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO READ THEM DUE TO THE, THAT THEY DIDN'T ARRIVE THIS AFTERNOON.

I, I'D LIKE TO DEFER THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES UNTIL THE NEXT HEARING, UNTIL MARCH 7TH BECAUSE I KNOW I I DIDN'T RECEIVE THEM UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE HEARING AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ THEM SECOND.

OKAY, SO A, A MOTION TO DEFER FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UH, WE'LL TAKE THAT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING.