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TODAY'S DATE IS, UM, FEBRUARY 15TH.
THIS IS THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION HERE, UH, BRIEFING.
UM, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 9 0 6.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO APPOINT TEMPORARY CHAIR HOUSE.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE MAKE, UH, WE, WE APPOINT CHAIR HOUSE RIGHT AS THE CHAIR FOR TODAY.
SECOND, WHO SECONDED THE MOTION? THAT'S QUEEN FOR THE DAY.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? UH, ANY OPPOSED? PASSES? OKAY.
MAY I CALL ROLL CALL PLEASE? DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO.
AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT AS VICE CHAIR TODAY.
IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE WILL PROCEED WITH THAT.
HE, HEARING NONE, WE WILL HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT AS OUR VICE CHAIR TODAY.
APPRECIATE HIM SERVING, UM, UH, THOUGHTS ARE WITH, UH, UH, UH, OUR, UH, OUR CHAIR WHO IS OUT ILL TODAY.
AND SO WE'LL, UH, PERHAPS SEE HIM ON THE SCREEN.
UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, I TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY'S ATTORNEY, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WE NEED TO READ OUR FIRST ITEM INTO THE RECORD.
[BRIEFINGS (Part 1 of 3) ]
IT'S A BRIEFING ITEM.THE FIRST BRIEFING ITEM IS BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION OF THE FORD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
I THINK WE, WE WERE GONNA THINK WE WERE GONNA DO THE OTHER ITEM FIRST.
GET DIRECTION AND SO THAT WE DIRECTION CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
CHAIR HOUSEWRIGHT HAS REQUESTED THAT A CHANGE OF, UH, BRIEFING AGENDA ORDER BE MADE, AND THE, UH, WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UM, BRIEFING ITEM NUMBER TWO, DCA 2 2 3 DASH ZERO EIGHT CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING CASES AND CODE AMENDMENTS THAT MAY RESULT IN THE CREATION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INITIATING AND CONDUCTING A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING TO ESTABLISH A COMPLIANCE DATE IN DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
I, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW ME FROM OTHER PRESENTATIONS, INCLUDING A 0.503 IN ME, A LOVE STORY AND PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, HOW TO PUT A GLIDE IN YOUR STRIDE, A DIP IN YOUR HIP, AND COME BACK TO THE MOTHERSHIP.
HE'S THE HEAD OF THE MUNICIPAL REGULATORY SECTION.
HE IS ALSO THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL DIVISION.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SB 9 29 AND HOW IT HAS TO BE TURNED INTO A CODE AMENDMENT.
UM, IT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH ZAC.
WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION, UH, TODAY.
WE'LL NOT BRING, BE BRINGING FORWARD THE ORDINANCE.
WE PLAN ON TALKING ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS.
THAT'S SORT OF THE COMPLICATED PART.
I WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MORE, UM, I THINK CONTROVERSIAL PARTS.
AND THEN WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION OUT AT THE HORSESHOE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, THOUGH, I SUSPECT MOST OF THEM WILL BE, UH, IN COUPLE WEEKS WHEN WE BRING THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE IN.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE AT ZAC, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE REALLY ANYTHING NEW.
BUT WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CASEY BURGESS AND AWAY WE GO.
UH, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
WANNA GIVE JUST A REALLY HIGH LEVEL,
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UH, JUST A REALLY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, NOT WORKING.SO THIS BILL REALLY DOES TWO BIG THINGS THAT ARE, ARE GOING TO REQUIRE US TO DO A CODE AMENDMENT.
UH, THE FIRST IS IT CHANGES OF HOW WE DO NOTICE WHEN A NEW ZONING CASE COMES FORWARD.
UM, SO, UM, PREVIOUSLY WE WOULD JUST SEND OUT NOTICE TO PEOPLE WITH THE NOTICE AREA UNDER SB 9 29.
UH, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRED NOW TO PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE TO PEOPLE, UM, IF THEY, IF THE ZONING CHANGE MAY RESULT IN THEIR USE BECOMING NON-CONFORMING.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST PROPERTY OWNERS THE WAY THAT WE'VE TRADITIONALLY DONE IT.
UH, THAT ALSO INCLUDES BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY OWNERS, AS WELL AS TENANTS.
AND, UM, THE BILL ALSO REQUIRES US TO PROVIDE VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AS PART OF THAT NOTICE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SLIDE.
AND THE SECOND THING THAT THE BILL DOES IS IT REALLY, UH, PREEMPTS OUR CURRENT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS FOR, UH, NON-CONFORMING USES.
SO UNDER THE CURRENT PROCESS, AN APP, UH, CITIZEN CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION, UH, TAKE A CASE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HERE IS EVIDENCE.
AND THEY CAN SET A COMPLIANCE STATE FOR THAT.
THAT PROCESS REALLY NO LONGER EXISTS.
UM, UM, THE WAY WE DID THE HEARINGS AND STUFF DON'T WORK ANYMORE UNDER THIS NEW BILL, UH, UNDER THE NEW BILL.
UM, THE BOARD WILL STILL MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE NONCONFORMING USE WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT SECOND PART OF THE HEARING WHERE THEY SET A COMPLIANCE STATE ACTUALLY UNDER THE NEW BILL.
IT GIVES THE PROPERTY OWNER OR LESS THE A CHOICE OF REMEDIES THEY CAN CHOOSE TO AMORTIZE THEIR INVESTMENT OUT.
AND THAT, UH, IS REALLY A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
CURRENTLY, THE BOARD WOULD SAY THEY WOULD LOOK, DO, DO AN ACCOUNTING ANALYSIS, LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE BRINGING IN, AND SET A DATE THAT THIS IS WHEN YOU NEED TO CLOSE DOWN UNDER THE NEW BILL.
IT'S KIND OF UP TO THAT BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ON THEIR HONOR WHEN THEY HAVE AMORTIZED THAT OUT AND THEY SHUT DOWN OR THEY CAN CHOOSE TO, UM, ASK FOR A PAYMENT, UH, SAY CITY, GIVE ME, GIVE ME MONEY TODAY AND I'LL GO AWAY.
UM, SO THEY'VE GOT THAT CHOICE.
SO WE'VE GOT REALLY TWO BIG SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO AMEND IN RESPONSE TO THAT BILL.
FIRST ONE, SECTION 51 A IS 4.701.
THAT'S WHERE ALL OUR NOTICES ARE ADDRESSED.
AND THEN SECTION 51 A IS 4.704, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT NONCONFORMING USES.
AND IF YOU'LL EXCUSE A QUICK TECHNICAL HICCUP, I WILL PUT THE NEXT POWERPOINT ON PUT.
SO CASEY REALLY GAVE A HIGH LEVEL SUMMING UP OF THE TECHNICAL PARTS.
I THINK ONE THING THAT WASN'T READILY APPARENT IN CASEY'S PRESENTATION IS IT'S REALLY THE NOTICE STUFF THAT IS GONNA BE TECHNICALLY IS THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA BE TECHNICALLY, UH, PROBLEMATIC.
UM, THE STUFF THAT HAS TO, THE, THE PARTS OF IT THAT HAVE TO DO WITH NON-CONFORMITY ARE ACTUALLY FAR MORE COMPLICATED THAN THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO THAT.
HOWEVER, I AM GONNA TALK ABOUT THE AMORTIZATION HEARINGS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
SO THE, THE BILL SB 9 29 WAS AUTHORED BY, UH, STATE SENATOR TAN PARKER.
AND I'M NOT TOO SURE THERE, THE, UH, THERE'S A DELAY IN MY PRESENTATION, SO THIS IS GONNA BE ODD ANYWAY, IN FLOWER MOUND, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY DO AMORTIZATIONS.
SO IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING THAT HE AUTHORED THE BILL THAT THAT REALLY, UM, MADE AMORTIZATIONS PROBLEMATIC FOR US.
THE CHANGE, AS CASEY SAID, IT CHANGED HOW COMPENSATION WAS CALCULATED AND ALLOWS THE OPERATOR OR THE OWNER OPERATOR AND OWNER PERHAPS TO RECOUP THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, THE VALUE IN CASH RATHER THAN THE, AT THE END OF THEIR OPERATION.
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WHAT SENATOR PARKER DID, HE WASN'T SUBTLE ABOUT IT.HE MADE IT AIMED AT THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IT, AND HE SAID IN HIS WRITEUP THAT THE CITY NEVER HAS TO PAY THE LANDOWNER A DIME FOR TAKING AWAY THE RIGHTS TO USE THEIR PROPERTY.
INSTEAD, IMPLEMENTS THE USE OF AN ACCOUNTING MANEUVER TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COMPENSATE THEMSELVES.
SO WHAT WE USED TO DO WAS ALLOW A, A, THERE WAS A TWO PART HEARING, AND I'LL GO INTO IT.
THE FIRST PART DECIDED IF THERE WAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, OR THE APPLICANTS WHO BROUGHT IN THE, THE, THE CASE, IF THERE WAS A SECOND HEARING WAS HELD WHERE THEY DETERMINED THE VALUE OF THE INVESTMENT IN THE BUSINESS.
AND THEN THE OPERATOR WAS, OR THE OWNER WAS ALLOWED TO RECOUP THAT COST OVER TIME AND THERE WAS NO CASH OUTLAY BY THE CITY.
WHAT THE BILLS AUTHOR HAS DONE HAS TURNED THAT ON ITS HEAD, LIKE SO MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED, UH, AT THE 2023 SESSION.
SO IN HIS WRITE-UP, HE POINTS OUT THAT ONE CITY PUT A NUMBER OF AUTO RELATED BUSINESSES OUT OF WORK TO ESTABLISH AN ARTS GATEWAY.
UH, THAT'S ONE INTERPRETATION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND HE ALSO THREAT, HE ALSO PUT IN THAT THE CITY THREATENED TO DRIVE A ROOFING MATERIALS FACTORY THAT EMPLOYS 150 WORKERS FROM THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT GIVING THEM A DIME, EVEN THOUGH THEY LEGALLY CALLED THE FACTORY OF THEIR HOME FOR 80 YEARS.
THAT IS ALSO AIMED DIRECTLY AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
OF NOTE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE BURROWS WHO, WHO AUTHORED H HB 2127, THE SO-CALLED DEATH STAR BILL THAT CAME OUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, IT'S FROM, REPRESENTS LUBBOCK.
UH, LUBBOCK IS DOING A REWRITE OF THEIR, THEIR CODE, AND THEY HAVE REMOVED AMORTIZATION AS A RESULT OF THIS BILL.
OR THEY'VE, THEY'VE RECOMMENDED REMOVING IT.
AND IT WAS TIMELY BECAUSE WHEN I BELIEVED I WAS GONNA DO THIS PRESENTATION TWO WEEKS AGO, THIS OCCURRED THE DAY BEFORE.
AGAIN, I DON'T NEED TO, UH, BELABOR THIS LEGISLATURE REPEATED EXACTLY WHAT THE SENATOR, UH, PARKER SAID IT WAS TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR CITIES TO CONTROL NONCONFORMING USES.
SO THEY ADDED THE POISON PILL.
THE POISON PILL IN IT IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO A CASH OUTLAY THAT WE CANNOT DETERMINE AHEAD OF TIME THAT CURRENTLY ISN'T BUDGETED FOR.
AND IT WOULD BE THE CITY RESIDENTS WHO BRING THE APPLICATION FORWARD, WHO WOULD MAKE THE CITY RESPONSIBLE IF IT ALL WENT FORWARD FOR AN UNEXPECTED, UH, DEBT.
THE, AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS WAY WE USED TO DO IT WAS TO ALLOW THE BUSINESS TO, UH, GO OVER TIME AND CEASE OPERATIONS.
IT WAS, IT WAS A FAIR WAY AND, AND REALLY WE WERE ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES THAT THAT ALLOWED THAT.
UM, I THINK CASEY DID SOME RESEARCH AND THERE WAS MAYBE TWO OTHER CITIES THAT ALLOWED RESIDENTS TO DO IT.
UM, IN FACT, I, I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED WHEN CASEY GAVE THEM A CALL.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT AMORTIZATION AND NON-CONFORMITY WAS IN 2012.
I SOLD THIS FROM THE OLD 2012 POWERPOINT WE USED TO DO FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
SO NON-CONFORMITY IS WHEN YOU HAVE A USE THAT'S LEGALLY ESTABLISHED, FOLLOWS ALL THE RULES, AT THE TIME IT'S, IT'S ESTABLISHED, BUT DURING THE INTERVENING YEARS, IT BECOMES NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THERE'S A CHANGE OF ZONING USUALLY, BUT NOT ALWAYS.
USUALLY BECAUSE THERE'S THE IMPOSITION OF A, OF AN SUP REQUIREMENT, THAT HAPPENS QUITE A BIT.
SO, AMORTIZATION, UH, I THINK I'VE ALREADY BEAT THIS, BUT I'M GONNA DO IT SOME MORE.
SETTING A COMPLIANCE PERIOD THAT ALLOWS AN OWNER TO RECOUP THE INVESTMENT THEY MADE BEFORE THE DATE OF NON-CONFORMITY.
HERE'S THE PROCESS THAT'LL SHOW UP IN A SECOND.
APPLICATION WAS FILED AND IT USED TO BE BE ABLE TO BE FILED BY ANYBODY.
YOU HAD THE FIRST BOARD HEARING.
DURING THE FIRST BOARD HEARING.
IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
IF THERE WAS NO ADVERSE EFFECT, THE USE COULD CONTINUE.
AND, AND THE HEARING WAS OVER.
HOWEVER, IF AN ADVERSE EFFECT WAS DETERMINED, THEY WOULD GO TO THE BOARD HEARING TWO, THE BOARD HEARING TWO WOULD GO TO THE TIME TO RECOUP THE INVESTMENT.
AND THE USE CONTINUES UNTIL THE AMORTIZATION DATE, UNLESS APPEALED TO DISTRICT COURT IN 10 DAYS.
SO THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS DETERMINING THE AMORTIZATION PERIOD PREVIOUSLY WAS REALLY JUST A BATTLE OF ACCOUNTANTS.
EVERYTHING HAPPENED ON THE FRONT END THAT WAS SORT OF EVIDENT, EVIDENTIARY BASED.
YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN ADVERSE EFFECT? WHAT IS THE BUSINESS? WHAT HAPPENS IF IT WENT TO THE SECOND HEARING? IT BECAME A BATTLE OF ACCOUNTANTS.
HERE'S WHAT THE INVESTMENT WAS HERE, HERE'S WHAT MY INVESTMENT WAS.
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OVER TIME IT WOULD TAKE, IT WOULD TAKE FOR ME TO, UM, RECOUP MY INVESTMENT.AND I, I'M NOT GONNA CLAIM TO HAVE EVER REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE ACCOUNTING PART OF IT.
IN THE SECOND HEARING, THAT WAS, WE, WE RETAINED ACCOUNTANTS AND IT WAS DONE THAT WAY.
AN SB 9 29, THEY CHANGED THE, THE WAY THE CALCULATION WAS DONE.
AND, AND I'M NOT GONNA CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE EITHER, EXCEPT FOR IT ALSO INCLUDES THERE'S AN AND TO IT, AND IT INCLUDES THE CURRENT VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THE DAY BEFORE THE, THE APPLICATION WAS FILED.
AND AS WE KNOW, THE, THE VALUE OF PROPERTY HAS GONE UP, UP, UP.
THIS CREATES A HUGE COST, A HUGE POSSIBLE COST IN ADDITION TO THE RECOUPING THE INVESTMENT.
SO I'VE ALREADY COVERED THIS ONE.
I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF 2020 THREE'S TEXAS LEGISL LEGISLATIVE EROSION OF HOME RULE AUTHORITY, IT ALSO INCLUDED THE DEATH STAR BILL, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, I'M MAKING ITS WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT OF TEXAS.
UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, UH, IN STATE LAW.
SO I'VE ALREADY HIT THIS IN THE BEGINNING.
SB 9 29 PUTS TAXPAYERS AT SIGNIFICANT RISK OF HAVING TO PAY A BILL.
AND THERE'S NO INPUT OR OVERSIGHT FROM CITY COUNCIL.
'CAUSE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DECISION.
AND THEY ARE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD.
Y'ALL ARE AN INDEPENDENT BOARD WITH RECOMMENDING AUTHORITY, AND YOU HAVE FINAL AUTHORITY OVER PLATS.
THEY HAVE FINAL AUTHORITY OVER AMORTIZATION.
SO THE, THE, THE UNEX, THE UNPLANNED COSTS COULD RESULT IN DIMINISHED FUNDING FOR ASSESSMENT.
BERT, CAN YOU SAY THAT LAST 0.1 MORE TIME ABOUT THE AMORTIZATION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? OKAY.
JUST SO YOU GUYS ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR LEGISLATIVE MATTERS, YOUR ZONING CASES, ET CETERA.
BUT YOU DO HAVE FINAL AUTHORITY OVER PLAT AND SUBDIVISION THEN IF YOUR, YOUR PLAT AND SUBDIVISION DECISIONS GET APPEALED TO COURT, YOU GUYS AND THE CHARGE YOU GUYS ARE CHARGED WITH CONTROLLING SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY CODE.
THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CONTROLS THE AMORTIZATION PROCEDURES.
THAT'S WHERE THE HEARING TAKES PLACE.
IT'S NOT APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO WHAT CITY STAFF WAS PROPOSING AT ZAC WAS TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO GO IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL.
THERE'S TIME TO SPEAK AT CITY COUNCIL.
AND THERE THEY WOULD SAY, WE HAVE THIS PROBLEMATIC BUSINESS.
AND CITY COUNCIL COULD THEN CHOOSE TO TAKE IT UP OR NOT AT, AT COMMITTEE OR, OR HOWEVER THEY CHOSE TO DO IT.
THERE'S DIFFERENT MEANS FOR, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BRING CASES BEFORE THE, THE BODY OR TO BRING ITEMS BEFORE THE BODY.
MUCH LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE, I THINK THE THREE SIGNATURE MEMO.
SO JUST A QUICK THING, I'VE ALREADY HIT THIS.
MOST CITIES DID NOT ALLOW AMORTIZATION.
THE ONES THAT DO ONLY TWO, ALLOW TWO OTHERS ALLOWED, UM, RESIDENT APPLICATIONS.
I THINK WE STARTED IN THE EIGHTIES.
THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT HAD COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION.
AND ON NOVEMBER 14TH, WE TOOK THE SAME PRESENTATION, CASEY AND I, UH, TO ZAC.
AND THE ZAC DIRECTED US TO BRING THIS FORWARD TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND INCLUDE A PROCESS, AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR RESIDENTS TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE A REQUEST TO THE BOARD.
UM, PROCESS SHOULD PREVENT APPLICANTS HAVING A FINANCIAL INTEREST AND NOT INCLUDE OR INTRUDED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS THAT RELATE TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE WILL TAKE AT THE ISSUE? YOU WOULD TAKE QUESTIONS NOW.
UH, WE'D ACTUALLY RATHER DO THAT AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION QUESTIONS GET ASKED IN THERE INSTEAD OF OUT HERE.
WELL, SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT, UM, THAT REPORT.
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I, I'M NOW GOING TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT IT'S NOW 9:26 AM THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION WILL NOW GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO AMENDING THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING CASES AND CODE AMENDMENTS THAT MAY RESULT IN THE CREATION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INITIATING AND CONDUCTING A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING TO ESTABLISH A COMPLIANCE DATE IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.[00:20:02]
UM, DO I NEED TO READ THE ENTIRE CASE, MR. MILLER? OKAY.UM, UH, AND JANIE CISNEROS VERSUS CITY OF DALLAS, THE DALLAS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, AND KAMIKA MILLER HOSKINS, AND HER OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS INTERIM CHIEF PLANNER, BOARD ADMINISTRATOR OF THE DALLAS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
CAUSE NUMBER DC 2 3 2 1 1 0 2 IS AUTHORIZED BY THE SECTION 5 51 0.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.
SO WE'RE NOW ADJOURNED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
[BRIEFINGS (Part 2 of 3) ]
LET'S GET BACK ON THE RECORD AND RESUME OUR, OUR BRIEFING.IT IS NOW, UH, 10:16 AM THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RETURNED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN JOINED US, UH, AT 9 45 DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO, UM, NEXT ON, UM, OUR AGENDA THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE A BRIEFING FROM STAFF, UM, REGARDING, UH, FORWARD DALLAS.
UM, SO I'LL INVITE, I BELIEVE MR. AGU UP TO BAT.
UH, HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? UH, SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, UM, REGARDING FORD DALLAS.
UM, AS WE DISCUSS, UH, SOME OF THE UPDATES AND, AND THE CONCEPTS OF FORD DALLAS, I WANNA JUST REITERATE THAT THIS IS WANNA JUST BE MORE OF A DISCUSSION, UM, AS WE GIVES YOU SOME MORE OVERVIEW IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PLAN IS, THE UPDATES OF THE PLAN, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE REGARDING WHAT FORD DALLAS IS, UH, THE UPDATES THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED.
AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, AS WE BEGIN TO ENGAGE YOU ALL, UM, IN FUTURE MEETINGS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF TERMS AND WHEN WE DO SUGGEST POSSIBLE, UM, UPDATES THAT YOU ALL NEED TO VOTE ON IN SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS, UH, THAT HELP HOPEFULLY EXPEDITES THE PROCESS AND THE CONVERSATION.
ALL RIGHT? SO, UH, PURPOSE STAFF'S GONNA PROVIDE A QUICK OVERVIEW FOR DALLAS TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD PRIOR.
UM, NO ITEMS WOULD BE UP FOR VOTE TODAY OR REVIEW.
UM, SO JUST AGAIN, JUST TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE REGARDING WHAT FOR DALLAS IS THE PLAN, DOCUMENT UPDATES, UM, AND HOW WE WANT YOU ALL TO HELP US UPDATE THIS DOCUMENT.
SO, A QUICK OUTLINE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY, UH, THE VERSION THREE OF THE DRAFT, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE RELEASED, HOPEFULLY, UH, END OF THIS WEEK.
WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, UM, THE UPDATES ON THAT AND HOW THE PREVIOUS BODY CLUB HELPED US UPDATE THAT PLAN.
UH, WE'LL DISCUSS THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT CAME OUT FROM THOSE UPDATES, SPECIFICALLY THE EJ AND INDUSTRIAL PLAY TYPES, AND THE RESIDENTIAL PLAY TYPES.
AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
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OF THE PLAN THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS GONNA BE RELEASED HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK.WE'RE MAKING SOME INTERNAL, UH, MODIFICATIONS, TWEAKS, UH, TO THAT.
UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, ONE, LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE RELEASE OF THAT PLAN IS GONNA, UH, HELP YOU ALL TO THEN LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT BEFORE WE GET TO OUR NEXT MEETING IN MARCH.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GIVE YOU ALL ENOUGH TIME, UH, TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT, UM, BEFORE WE MEET NEXT TIME, SO YOU ALL HAVE A CLEAR, UH, PICTURE OF OR ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE WE TALK TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
UH, SO I NOW ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE A QR CODE TO OUR WEBSITE WHERE THE DOCUMENT WILL BE LOCATED.
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE SENDING A LINK TO YOU ALL AND THE PUBLIC, UH, REGARDING THE ACTUAL LINK TO THE PLAN DOCUMENT.
SO AS YOU ALL GET PREPARED FOR THIS DOCUMENT, I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF HOW TO READ THIS UPDATED DRAFT.
UH, SO AS YOU LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT, THERE'S GONNA BE A FEW DIFFERENT COLORS THAT YOU, UH, PROBABLY NOT ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING IN, IN GENERAL PLAN DOCUMENTS.
UH, SO I WANNA JUST TALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE ARE, JUST TO KIND OF GET EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UH, WHEN YOU SEE THAT DOCUMENT.
SO, THE NEW EDITS, THE NEW CHANGES FROM THE, THE LAST RELEASE DOCUMENT IS GONNA BE IDENTIFIED IN THIS MAGENTA, UH, PINK COLOR.
UH, SO THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE, ON THE COVER ON SOME, SOME PARTICULAR SECTIONS OF THE PLAN DOCUMENT.
UH, SO THAT IS GONNA INDICATE THAT SOMETHING NEW HAS CHANGED IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION.
UH, WHEN YOU SEE AN ASTERISK AS WELL ON A PARTICULAR PAGE, THAT THAT PAGE WAS NEWLY ADDED, NEWLY CREATED.
UM, AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A PAGE LIKE THAT, NOT ALL TEXTS WILL BE IDENTIFIED AS PINK JUST TO KIND OF MAKE IT LEGIBLE TO READ.
SO PINK IS THE IDENTIFYING COLOR IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE THE BACKGROUND OR OTHER GRAPHICS ARE NOT, UH, ARE THE SAME COLOR OR MAKE IT HARD TO READ THE PINK, UH, YOU ALSO SEE YELLOW IN, IN, UM, LIMITED, UH, LOCATIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S A FEW PLACES WHERE STAFF IS STILL TWEAKING AND THINKING THROUGH SPECIFIC WORDING OR, OR, OR TEXT IN THE DOCUMENT.
UH, IN THE RARE CASE THAT YOU SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE IN RED, AND ALSO TOO, IT'S IN A PARTICULAR, UH, LOCATION OF THE PLAN DOCUMENT THAT'S NOT EASY TO SEE RED THAT'LL BE SHOWN IN GREEN.
SO AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE JUST, JUST BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UH, WE'VE PROVIDED THIS TO THE CLUB AS WELL.
JUST WANNA REITERATE, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA BE SHOWING THE CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAFT TO THIS DRAFT.
AND JUST AN OVERVIEW AGAIN, OF THE MAJOR PLAN COMPONENTS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE THEMES, THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, THE PLACE TYPE MAP, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.
UH, WANT TO BE BRING UP, UH, TOP UH, TOP OF MIND THAT THE MAP IN THIS VERSION, UH, WON'T BE UPDATED.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR WITH THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE PLACE TYPES, ESPECIALLY WITH YOU ALL AS WE'RE ENGAGING, UH, THE CONVERSATION ANEW AND AFRESH.
SO THAT MAP WILL BE THE SAME MAP THAT WAS RELEASED IN DECEMBER.
UM, AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE REGARDING THE ISSUES FROM THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT THEY ARE BEFORE WE MAKE AN UPDATE TO THE MAP.
SO AS YOU GET THE PLAN, DOCUMENT, UPDATE, UH, THE LANE USE THEMES, THERE'LL BE SOME TEXTUAL EDITS, SAME WITH THE DESCRIPTIONS.
UM, BUT THE MAP WILL REMAIN THE SAME AS WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS WITH THIS BODY AND THE COMMUNITY.
UM, CLARIFYING SOME ISSUES RE REGARDING THE PLAY TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, AND THEN ALSO TO THE, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS JUST GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW HOW WE'RE GOING TO, HOW TO READ AND LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT THAT WILL BE RELEASED, UH, FOR YOU ALL, UH, COMING IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
SO THE FIRST SECTION, THIS IS GONNA BE THE, THE PLACE TYPE THEME SECTION.
UM, AND THIS PARTICULAR SECTION HAS GOES FROM LEFT TO RIGHT IN TERMS OF BREAKING DOWN WHAT THE IMPORTANT, UH, KEY ISSUES WERE.
UH, WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN TERMS OF, UH, LAND USE AND EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, WHAT THE OBJECTIVE NEEDS TO BE, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND THEN TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA BE DONE.
SO EACH THEME OF THE PLAN DOCUMENT, UH, GOES FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, DISCUSSING AND UNPACKING THESE ISSUES.
AND THEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, HOW DOES THAT NEED TO BE DONE, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MEASURE, UH, REGARDING THAT.
SO THIS PARTICULAR VERSION, UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEASURING AND AND SUCCESSES, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN PROBABLY POST FOR DALLAS, WHERE WE START TO DEVELOP METRICS AND WAYS OF MEASURING HOW SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE.
UH, BUT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS SECTION IS UNPACK THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE THEMES AND HOW WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF EITHER RECTIFYING CERTAIN ISSUES
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OR WHO AND HOW'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF TAKING CARE OF, OF THAT PARTICULAR THEME.UM, ALSO TOO, ON THIS PARTICULAR SPREAD, YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE LEFT COLUMN THERE'S A, DID YOU KNOW, SECTION, UM, AND THAT SECTION GETS UPDATED BASICALLY EVERY DRAFT.
UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE DESCRIPTIONS OR THE DEFINITIONS OF THE PARTICULAR THEME, UH, MIGHT BE IN THE COLUMN.
UM, SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THEME'S ABOUT EACH THEME WILL HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURE.
SO AS YOU GO THROUGH THE FIVE MAJOR THEMES OF THE PROJECT, YOU'LL SEE ONE, WHAT'S GENERALLY ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE THEME AND THE GOAL IS UP TOP, AND THEN GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT IN TERMS OF ISSUES, CONDITIONS, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
ALRIGHT? SO THE SECOND PART OF THE DOCUMENT IS THE PLACE TYPES, UM, AND THE PLACE TYPES DELLS THROUGH EACH TYPE OF PLACE THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY, UH, DISCUSSING, UM, THE OVERVIEW OF WHAT ENCOMPASSES THAT PLACE, UM, THE LAND USAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, UM, AND ALSO THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE FORM OF THAT THAT PLACE LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, JUST GIVE AN OVERVIEW, UM, OF WHAT ALL THESE PLACE TYPES ARE.
UH, SO THIS BASICALLY IS SHOWN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CHAPTER.
IT SHOWS ALL THE LAND USES ALL THE PLACE TYPES AND THE, THE, THE PRIMARY AND THE SUPPORTING USES THAT ARE PART OF THAT.
SO AS WE LOOK AT KIND OF A ZOOMED IN, UH, PART OF THIS, THE COLUMN TO THE LEFT DELVES ON THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES THAT WE HAVE.
AND THEN THE ROW, UH, ON THE TOP LOOKS AT THE DIFFERENT LANE USES.
AND THOSE LAND USES HAVE CERTAIN EXAMPLES, UH, THAT CONNECT TO THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, PLACE TYPES.
SO AS YOU'RE ABLE TO LOOK FROM, UH, EACH OF THE PLACE TYPES ON THE COLUMN, AND THEN LOOKING BACK AT THE LAND USES, YOU CAN THEN START TO SEE THE PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING LAND USES PER EACH, UH, PLACE TYPE.
AND THEN STARTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PLACE TYPE AND, AND THAT MIX OF USES LOOK LIKE IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PLACE TYPES, UM, IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF ONE, JUST GETTING A, A BROAD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL THESE PLACE TYPES ARE SHOWING AND INDICATING AND HOW THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER.
AND ALSO THE OTHER EXAMPLES FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ARE THEY DESCRIBING? UM, AND THEN IN THE TOTALITY, HOW ARE, HOW ARE THESE LAND USES COMING TOGETHER TO CREATE EACH OF THESE, UH, LANE USE AND PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.
UH, ALSO PART OF THE PLACE TYPE SECTION, UM, IS OUR PLACE TYPE MAP.
AND AS I REITERATED EARLIER, UH, WE'LL BE DISPLAYING THE VERSION FROM DECEMBER ON THIS UPCOMING DRAFT.
UH, THIS IS A, THE GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION THAT PUTS, PUTS THIS, UM, IN THE CITY LOCATIONALLY TO SEE HOW THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY.
SO THIS SECTION IS GONNA BE, UM, UPDATED TO PROVIDE SOME TEXTUAL UPDATES AND TWEAKS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE MAP FROM DECEMBER 2ND, 2023, AS WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THESE PLACE TYPES AND HOW DO THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER.
AND THEN LAST SECTION OF THIS DOCUMENT IS GONNA BE OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
UM, THIS IS WHERE WE DELVE INTO THE HOW THE WHO, UM, OF GETTING SOME OF THESE THEMES IMPLEMENTED, UH, FROM IDENTIFYING ACTION STEPS AND WHO'S GONNA BE THE PERSON OR THE DEPARTMENT, EXCUSE ME, UH, LEADING THOSE EFFORTS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND SUSTAINABILITY THEME.
UH, SO GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, WE DISCUSS OR IDENTIFY THE OBJECTIVES.
UM, AND THEN AS WE GO MORE TO THE, TO THE RIGHT, THEN YOU SEE CERTAIN ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THOSE OBJECTIVES, YOU UNDERSTAND.
AND THEN SEE THE LEAD AGENCY THAT'S GONNA BE LEADING THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN THE KEY PARTNERS, UH, ONE THING THAT WE ADDED TO NEWLY AND IN THAT LAST FEW VERSIONS WAS ALSO CONNECTING THE DOTS TO OTHER THEMES, OTHER RELATED, UM, PARTS OF THE DOCUMENT THROUGH A RELATED THEMES COLUMN.
SO SUPPORTING, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE GOALS THAT CONNECTS TO OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE, NOT JUST IN THE PLAN, BUT OTHER, UM, DOCUMENTS IN THE CITY.
SO WE WANNA BE ABLE TO BE CLEAR WITH WHERE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR TABLE THAT WE'RE SHARING.
SO AS WE GO FROM THE GENERAL THEMES, UH, THROUGH THE DOCUMENT TO THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, THIS THEN SHOWS THE MORE DETAIL OF THE HOW AND THE WHO OF MOVING SOME OF THOSE GOALS AND INITIATIVES FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST GOING TO PAUSE AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF JUST
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THE, THE ORDER OF THE DOCUMENT AND WHAT THOSE, UM, SECTIONS ARE, ARE SPEAKING TO.AND WE CAN GO BACK TO ANY OF THOSE, UH, SLIDES JUST FOR CONTEXT SET.
UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. AGU? MR. COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, BUT A LOT OF CONVERSATION IN THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN AROUND THE LACK OF THE WORD SINGLE FAMILY IN, IN THE PRESENTATION.
DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THAT? SO THIS IS PART ONE OF A MULTI-PART PRESENTATION, SO WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT ON THE, ON THE LATTER PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT ANYTHING RELATED JUST TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE DOCUMENT, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS NOW, BUT YOUR QUESTIONS WE WILL TOUCH ON, ON LATTER PART TWO AS WELL.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A PART TWO COMING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON PART ONE? SCENE? NONE.
ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS NOW, KIND OF THE, THE MEAT OF, UM, THE DISCUSSIONS IN, IN THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING HERE IS TWO PARTS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND, UH, INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE DISCUSSION.
AND ALSO TWO, WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING AND UNPACKING THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE DISCUSSION AS WELL.
SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION ITEMS, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE RELATED TO THE EJ INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES FIELD, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE RELATED TO THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL DO THE SAME FOR THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL ONE.
ALRIGHT, SO CURRENTLY THE PLAN DRAFT HAS THREE, UH, INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES.
UH, WE HAVE THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, UH, WHICH IS FOCUSED MORE ON THE TRANSITION AWAY FROM INDUSTRIAL USES TO OTHER USES, UH, IN THE CITY.
UH, WE HAVE A LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHICH IS FOCUSED MORE ON LARGE WAREHOUSES AND, AND THE, THE MORE LOGISTICS OPERATIONS THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY.
AND THEN THE INDUSTRIAL HUB, THAT IS, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE MORE HARDER HARSHER MANUFACTURING LAND USES AND OPERATIONS IN THIS CITY.
UH, SO IT'S IMPORTANT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF, OF WHERE WE ARE, BUT I WANNA ALSO TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT.
SO THE CURRENT, UH, FOR DALLAS 2006, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD AND THEN WE ANALYZED WAS ONE, IT HAS ONE INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CATEGORY.
SO THE, THE THREE THAT I JUST MENTIONED BEFORE, IMAGINE ALL THOSE USES BEING IN ONE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE.
UH, THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS WHEN YOU START TO IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE CITY, UH, THE ONE THAT'S CLUSTERED IN A PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY, UM, AND ALSO IT'S BY AND ADJACENT TO THE RIVER AND ALSO SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO AS WE LOOK AT JUST THE LOCATION OF THIS ONE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE IN THE FORD DALLAS 2006, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES RELATED TO THE CONCENTRATION WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN THE CITY, THE OTHER LAND USES THAT'S ADJACENT TO, AND THE EFFECTS ON COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR IN THE CITY.
SO IN TERMS OF JUST ANALYZING THAT COMPONENT, UM, THERE ARE FEW SUGGESTIONS AND FEW IDEAS IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE, UH, REMEDY, UH, SOME OF THOSE USES THAT WE'RE SEEING AND THOSE ADJACENCIES IN THE CITY.
SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE, THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES THAT OCCURRED, UH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH OUR CONSULTANT, WITH THE CLUB, UH, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, ET CETERA.
SO, UM, BEFORE, UH, WE HAD EVOLVED INTO THE THREE, WE HAD TWO, UH, ONE WAS CALLED THE FLEX INDUSTRY PLACE TYPE, AND THE OTHER WAS INDUSTRIAL HUB.
SO THE INDUSTRIAL HUB, UH, KIND OF REMAINED THE SAME AS THAT HARSHER MANUFACTURING PLACE TYPE, UM, WHERE A LOT OF THOSE HEAVIER USES WERE LOCATED, UH, BUT THE FLEX INDUSTRY INCORPORATE EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO THE ISSUE WITH THAT IN TERMS OF INCLUDING THE, THE, THE FLEXIBILITY OF LIGHT INDUSTRY AND LOGISTICS WAS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF USES WITHIN THERE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE ADJACENT TO THOSE USES.
STILL FELT THAT THERE WAS STILL AN ISSUE HAVING ALL OF THOSE USES STILL PART OF ONE PLACE TYPE AND HARD TO D DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES AS A COMMUNITY TO THOSE USES.
SO IN THE MIDDLE, UH, WE HAVE THE, THE LANE USES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE, UH, PLACE TYPES, THE APARTMENT AND THE MULTIPLEX, THOSE WERE SPLIT INTO TWO FROM ONE THAT USED TO BE JUST MULTIFAMILY.
SO FROM THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, TWO THINGS THAT THEY ASKED WAS ONE THAT WE BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH, UM, THE TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, AND THEN THOSE ADJACENCIES, UM, NEAR THE, THE FLEX INDUSTRY AND THE INDUSTRIAL HUB.
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CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT WAS, ALTHOUGH WE HAD ADDED AN ADDITIONAL INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPE, UH, TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE, WE SAW PRIOR TO ALL OF THOSE USES BEING IN ONE, UH, THE COMMUNITY STILL HAD, UH, SOME CONCERN THAT THAT ADDIT, THAT FLEX INDUSTRY PLAY TYPE STILL HAD, UM, NOT AS MUCH CLARITY IN TERMS OF THOSE LAND USES AND HOW IT IT CONNECTS WITH, UM, THEIR COMMUNITY.UH, SO THE FEEDBACK THAT WE, THAT WE HEARD FROM THEM WAS TO THINK ABOUT ADDING THAT THIRD, UM, LOGISTICS PARK PLACE TYPE THAT ONE, REMOVE THOSE LARGER, UH, INDUSTRIAL USES INTO, UH, ITS OWN CATEGORY.
IT WAS HELP HELP US TO KIND OF REFINE WHAT THE FLEX COMMERCIAL WAS, UH, AND THE INTENT OF THAT.
SO IN DOING, IN DOING SO, THE FLEX COMMERCIAL ACTUALLY BECAME THAT, UH, PLACE TYPE WHERE IT, IT ACTUALLY SIGNALS THAT TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE HARSHER INDUSTRIAL USES THAT WERE ESPECIALLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
UM, THE LOGISTICS NOW THEN CAN FOCUS MORE ON THE WAREHOUSING, THE LARGER, UM, LAND NEEDED FOR THOSE OPERATIONS.
AND THE INDUSTRIAL HUB WAS FOCUSED MORE ON KEEPING THOSE HARSHER MANUFACTURING USES, UM, AWAY FROM THE CITY.
UH, SO ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS DID, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE.
UH, SO AS YOU NOTICE ON THE MAP, AGAIN, JUST FOR JUST CONTEXT SETTING, UH, THE INDUSTRIAL HUB THAT, THAT HARSHER, UH, LANE USE THAT WE HAD NOW JUST SHOW UP IN THREE MAJOR LOCATIONS IN THE CITY, ALL CLOSER TO INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE EITHER ADJACENT TO, UH, THOSE USES THAT WE SEE IN OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND NOT IN THE CITY, UH, CORE.
SO THAT, UH, HAPPENS ALONG STEMMONS CLOSER TO GARLAND AND THEN ALSO BY MCCOMBS.
SO KIND OF BEING VERY DELIBERATE WITH THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT THOSE HARSHER USES SHOULD BE OUTSIDE, UM, COASTAL CITY LIMITS NEAR THOSE SIMILAR TYPE OF USES.
UH, THAT WAS A, UH, VERY CRITICAL, UH, RESULT OF CLARIFYING THOSE ADDITIONAL THREE PLACE TYPES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS JUST KIND OF DELVE INTO THE THREE, AND THEN WE OPENED UP FOR QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THOSE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES.
AGAIN, JUST WANT TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF HOW WE GOT TO THOSE PLACE TYPES, WHAT THOSE PLACE TYPES MEAN, AND THEN THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE, UH, TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS BODY.
SO WITH THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, AS I MENTIONED, UM, NOT ONLY IS IT A TRANSITION AWAY FROM INCOMPATIBLE USES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, UM, WE WANT WHAT WE WERE ASKED FROM FROM CLUB IS TO START TO THINK ABOUT THE SCALE OF THESE USES SPECIFICALLY, UH, WAREHOUSES IN, IN THIS, UH, FLEX COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE.
NOW THAT THOSE LOGISTIC, UH, LARGER USES HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THE LOGISTICS HUB, UM, WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE, HOW SHOULD SMALLER WAREHOUSES BE SCALED AND DEFINED? UH, THAT WAS A, A CHARGE FROM THE CLUB THAT WE WERE GIVEN.
UM, ALSO TOO, THEY ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE MIXTURE, UH, FOCUSED ON THE MIXTURE OF OTHER USES IN THIS PLACE TYPE, UH, IN TERMS OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL, UH, SUPPORTING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND THE REHABILITATION OF OTHER EXISTING STRUCTURES, UH, TO HELP MAKE THIS MORE OF THAT FLEXIBLE COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE.
AND LESS OF, UH, THAT INDUSTRIAL HUBBY OR LOGISTIC TYPE OF PLACE TYPE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED THAT IT WOULD, IT WAS BECOMING WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THE THREE.
AND THEN THIRDLY, THINKING ABOUT INCLUDING PERFORMANCE MEASURES, UM, IN ANY NEW SCALE, UM, WAREHOUSE OR INDUSTRY THAT COMES INTO THIS PLACE TYPE.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, AS THIS PLACE TYPE BECOMES THAT CLEARLY, UM, KIND OF TRANSITIONAL PLACE, LIKE AWAY FROM HARSHER USES, UH, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE TRACKING, UH, THROUGH, UH, UP UPCOMING EITHER ZONING OR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR HOW THOSE SMALL SCALED, UM, INDUSTRIES AND LAND USES COME ON BOARD WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
SO A FEW THINGS I WANT TO ALSO NOTE TOO.
SO EACH OF THE PLACE SITES, LIKE WE MENTIONED, HAS TWO SPREADS.
UH, THE INTRODUCTORY SPREAD THAT WE JUST SHOWED GIVES A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT IS, THE CONTEXT, UM, SOME INFORMATION THAT WE ANALYZE FOR DURING OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS.
AND THEN IT GIVES A QUICK GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS WITH, UH, WITH A GRAPHIC OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MIX THAT THAT PARTICULAR, UH, PLACE TYPE ENCOMPASSES.
UM, AS YOU YELLED INTO PAGE TWO OF THAT PLACE TYPE, IT GOES INTO MORE DETAIL OF HOW YOU APPLY THAT PLACE TYPE CONTEXTUALLY,
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UH, ADJACENCIES THAT COULD EXIST, HOW YOU, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ADJACENCIES.AND THEN THE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS IN TERMS OF MOBILITY, GREEN SPACE, STREETS, SCAPE, AND URBAN FORM.
UH, EACH PLACE TYPE HAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ON HOW NEW DEVELOPMENT, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT NEW LAND USES SHOULD WORK AND SHOULD BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
UH, SO WHAT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA NOTE A FEW, UH, HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE DEVELOPED AND, AND DISCUSSED WITH K CLUB.
UM, AND THEN YOU ALL WILL BE LOOKING INTO A BIT MORE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AS THE PLAN GETS RELEASED.
SO ONE, UH, CHANGES TO THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UH, SHOULD BE INCREMENTAL SENSITIVE TO EXISTING CONTEXT AND INCLUSIVE, UH, OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS.
SO JUST LIKE WE'VE SEEN THROUGH FORD DALLAS, AS WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE PLACE TYPES, I THINK THAT THAT ENGAGEMENT SHOULD OCCUR, UM, AND THE CONVERSATION SHOULD ALWAYS HAPPEN AS WE ARE MOVING.
UM, IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT LANE USES WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE, UM, ANY NEW INDUSTRIAL, UH, USES CONSIDERED IN THIS PLACE TYPE SHOULD BE LOW IMPACT, SMALL SCALED AND SELF-CONTAINED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, IF IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND THEN THOROUGHLY, UH, WHATEVER THE FLEX COMMERCIAL AREAS ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES, UH, PROPOSED ZONINGS OR REDEVELOPMENT, UH, TO TO SMALL WAREHOUSES OR OTHER SIMILAR TYPE OF USES SHOULD INCLUDE THOSE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
UM, SO JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDINGS.
SO I'M GONNA DO, I'M GONNA GOING PAUSE RIGHT THERE REAL QUICK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN ALSO, WHEN WE TALK THROUGH ALL THE THREE, IF THERE'S ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS FOR ALL THREE, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT TOO.
SO ANY JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, I THINK PART OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND I I HEAR YOU TOUCHING ON IT AND I'M TRYING TO READ THROUGH THE LANGUAGE, IS WHERE WE HAVE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT MAY BE NOT WHERE WE WOULD IDEALLY LOCATE THEM WHEN WE CONSIDER NEW REQUESTS IS THE, AND THERE'S REFERENCES TO HOW TO TREAT REDEVELOPMENT.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE CASES THAT COME THROUGH IN MY DISTRICT WHERE EXISTING BUSINESS, THEY'RE EITHER WANTING TO EXPAND, UM, THEY HAVE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
HOW IS THE LANGUAGE ANTICIPATING WHAT THOUGHT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THOSE? I MEAN, I JUST, I I SEE ONE SENTENCE IN HERE AND, AND DOES THERE NEED TO BE MORE, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION, RIGHT? SO I THINK KIND OF THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO IN ADDITION TO JUST THE LANGUAGE ON HOW THOSE, THOSE ADJACENCIES WORK, UM, I THINK THAT THE CRITICAL PIECE IS GONNA BE THE MAP IN TERMS OF KINDA WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED IN, IN THE CITY.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS KIND OF CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE, THE LANGUAGE HERE AND THE MAP.
SO AGAIN, TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THE ADJACENCY SECTION TALKS ABOUT WHENEVER YOU DO HAVE THAT CURRENT ADJACENCY TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE, UM, WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD TO ALIGN WITH THE MAP THAT WE HAVE.
UM, ON, ON THE DOCUMENT, ASK ONE FOLLOW UP AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA USE AN EXAMPLE THAT WE JUST CONSIDERED.
I HAVE CS DIRECTLY NEXT TO R FIVE MM-HMM
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MAP IS GOING TO BE THAT GRANULAR AND I DON'T THINK IT'S INTENDED TO BE THAT GRANULAR.
HOWEVER, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN I AM RIGHT SPEAKING TO THE COMMUNITY, HOW THAT IS BEING DEFINED WITHIN THIS PLAN.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A QUESTION THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING BEFORE YOU ALL IS HOW DOES CS, HOW SHOULD THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO THESE PLACE TYPES, SPECIFICALLY THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, THE LOGISTICS AND INDUSTRIAL HUB? SO AS YOU ALL ARE LOOKING THROUGH ZONING CHANGES IN TERMS OF WHERE IT'S THE, THE CURRENT CHANGE TO THE, THE EXISTING PROPOSED CHANGE, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING YOUR FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF WHERE, IF, IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT MAKES SENSE, PLACE TYPE WISE, SHOULD THAT USE BE IDENTIFIED IN OUR LANGUAGE.
SO WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT AT THE MOMENT, BUT I THINK WE CAN USE YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK TO USE THIS DOCUMENT MAYBE TO HELP REFINE, UM, HOW THIS CAN HELP YOU, UM, IDENTIFY THAT, UH, THROUGH YOUR, YOUR CASES.
AND IF I MAY ASK ONE ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP.
SO ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THE SPECTRUM, THERE'S WAREHOUSE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT SEPARATED FROM, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREAS NEAR A, UM, UH, I 35.
IT'S ON A PRIMARY TRANSIT CORRIDOR, BUT THERE'S A LONG-TERM VISION.
WE HAVE MULTIPLE AREA PLANS THAT SPEAK ABOUT THAT TURNING INTO A GATEWAY BEING MORE RESIDENTIALLY FOCUSED.
MM-HMM,
SO I GUESS THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE ALONG 35, I
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BELIEVE THAT'S BEEN, UH, UPDATED TO THE COMMERCIAL MIXED USE ON, IN THAT AREA, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35, UH, TO REFLECTING ALIGN WITH THOSE PLANS THAT HAVE, WE HAVE ANALYZED AND ALSO ALSO WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID THEY WANT TO SEE THERE, UH, THROUGH THE FUTURE LAND USE OF OF, OF THAT AREA.THANK YOU, MR. YOU THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
DID YOU SOMETHING, COULD I JUST ADD QUICKLY, UM, IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT YOU THINK THAT ARE MISSING TO HELP DO YOUR JOBS, UM, SOME CERTAIN TEXT, A SENTENCE HERE AND THERE, WE WELCOME YOU SENDING THAT TO US.
WHAT WOULD HELP YOU, WHAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE WOULD HELP YOU WITHIN ONE OF THESE PLACE TYPES, GIVEN THE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU DEAL WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS HERE? SO WE, WE WELCOME ADDING IN THAT LANGUAGE AND WE CAN, WE, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL COMPILE A LIST TO THEN HAVE A, A DISCUSSION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE LAND ON THAT AMENDED LANGUAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? UM, MR. AGIE, UH, A COUPLE OF EDITORIAL REMARKS ON MY PART.
THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD WORK ON THIS.
UH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DEVOTE OUR ENTIRE DAY TO FORWARD DALLAS, ALTHOUGH I CANNOT DO THAT IN MY ROLE AS CHAIR.
AND WE, WE DO HAVE A DOCKET AND A BRIEFING TO GET TO.
UM, AND SO IF I THINK THAT, UH, I'M, I'M CERTAIN THERE WILL BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES.
SO I THINK LET'S, LET'S NOT SHORTCHANGE THAT, BUT UH, WE DO NEED TO BRIEF SOME CASES.
SO IF YOU COULD DEFINITELY HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS.
SO I THINK IN TERMS OF THE LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PLACE, I THINK WE'RE IN A PRETTY GOOD PLACE IN UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCES.
AND IF, IF NOT, WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A KIND OF SIDEBAR CONVERSATION, UH, REGARDING THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR QUESTIONS, UH, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
SO I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH, UM, THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I THINK THERE'S A KINDA A FEW QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT BACK OF YOUR MIND.
I KNOW I'M TRYING TO RUSH THROUGH THIS, BUT I WANT TO BE KIND OF COGNIZANT.
I WANNA BE KIND OF TRUE TO WHAT WE HEAR IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN TERMS OF INPUT, NOT JUST FROM THOSE WHO, WHO LIVE AND RENT, BUT ALSO TO THOSE WHO WANT TO COME INTO THE CITY.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF MORE, UH, HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION.
UM, SO THOSE THAT HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE, THE FORTUNE TO HAVE A HOME IN THE, IN THE CITY, UH, IF YOU WERE TO SELL YOUR HOME, UM, AND, AND TRY TO LIVE IN THAT SAME COMMUNITY, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PURCHASE OR AFFORD LIVING IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY? JUST, JUST RIGHT AT, AT THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT ADDED DENSITY, NOT THINKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE FUTURE.
THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAD TO SELL YOUR HOME AND TRY TO BUY A HOUSE IN YOUR COMMUNITY OR RENT A HOUSE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, COULD YOU AFFORD TO LIVE IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY? THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER IMPORTANT QUESTION BACK OF YOUR MIND AS YOU THINK ABOUT THAT TOO.
IF YOU HAD TO SACRIFICE LIVING IN SOMEWHERE SMALLER, UM, IN YOUR COMMUNITY JUST TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO THAT? AND THEN THIRDLY, AS STAFF, WE THINK ABOUT, UM, THOSE TWO QUESTIONS, BUT HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THESE, UH, THESE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CHARACTER AND STILL PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CURRENT AND EXISTING RESIDENTS TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY? SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I WANT YOU ALL JUST KINDA THINK BACK IN MIND AS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT, UM, THE, THE PROGRESS OF THESE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES, UH, HAS HAD THROUGH THE NEXT LAST FEW MONTHS.
SO THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
UH, SO HOW DID WE GET TO THIS PARTICULAR POINT OF THIS PLACE TYPE? THERE ARE A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY PROVIDED US THAT WANT TO JUST SHARE WITH YOU ALL.
UH, WHEN WE HAD THE TWO, UM, INDIVIDUAL PLACE TYPES BEFORE.
SO ONE, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO PLACE TYPES THAT THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE BLENDED RESIDENTIAL.
THOSE WERE BOTH, UM, ELEMENTS THAT HAD, UM, THAT WERE BOTH SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPES.
THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD WAS, ONE, IT WAS VERY HARD TO DISTINGUISH WHAT THOSE TWO DIFFERENCES WERE.
UH, PLEASE CLARIFY THAT STAFF.
UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO VERY SIMILAR PLACE TYPES AND WE DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO PLACE TYPES.
UH, TWO, WHY IS OUR COMMUNITY ONE SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPE AND THE OTHER IS ANOTHER SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPE, WE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME.
UH, THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND THIRDLY, DOES FUTURE DENSITY LOOK DIFFERENT IN THESE TWO PLACE TYPES THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME? SO THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD, UH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PREVIOUS PLACE TYPES AND HOW THAT KINDA LED TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, AND EVOLUTION OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE THAT WE DEVELOPED THROUGH CLUB.
SO JUST GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHERE WE WERE AND HOW WE GOT HERE.
UH, SO THERE WERE TWO, UH, SEPARATE, UH, PLACE TYPES AT THE TIME.
THE LANGUAGE THAT'S HERE IS THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT WAS, UM, ON THE, ON THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENT AND IT EXISTS
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HERE TODAY.UM, ONE WAS LOOKING AT THE MORE SUBURBAN, UH, CURVED LINEAR PLACE TYPE AND THEN OTHER OR, OR LOCATION.
AND THE OTHER WAS THE MORE GRIDED OLDER, UM, TYPE OF PLACE THAT YOU SEE IN THE CITY.
BOTH SAME LANE USES BOTH SAME CHARACTER IN TERMS OF, UH, BOTH ALLOWING FOR DIVERSITY OF HOMES, DUPLEXES, UM, AND SMALLER, UM, MULTIPLEXES.
BUT THE THING THAT WE HAD TO CLARIFY WITH THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE WAS, ONE, AS WE PROVIDE THIS OPTION TO CLUB, IF WE KEEP THE TWO, WE HAD TO BE VERY CLEAR IN TERMS OF ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN BEING CLEAR WHAT, UM, MULTIFAMILY WAS.
SO PEOPLE WERE VERY SCARED THAT MULTIFAMILY WAS JUST THIS MASSIVE TERM THAT JUST INCORPORATED EVERYTHING INTO THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SO WE PROPOSED TO CLARIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MULTIPLEX, A SMALLER, UH, 2, 3, 4, UM, UH, MULTI, UM, EXCUSE ME, SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT VERSUS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH, UH, WENT TO 10 STORIES AND 10 UNITS AND MORE.
UH, SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS WAS CLARIFYING WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PLACE TYPES.
UH, SINCE THE OTHER LANE USES WERE ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR, UH, JUST MAKING SURE THAT EACH OF THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED, UH, CLEARLY OPTION TWO WAS MERGING THE TWO, UM, AND ALSO KEEPING THE SAME PLACE TYPES, BUT THEN IDENTIFYING WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UM, HOW THE DIFFERENT URBAN FORM, UH, TOOK PLACE OR WAS MANIFESTED WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE.
UH, SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE, AS PEOPLE LOOKED AT THE MAP AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE CURIOUS ABOUT WHY IS THIS AREA, THIS CODIFICATION AND THIS OTHER AREA, THIS CODIFICATION, BUT THEY HAVE THE SAME LANE USES.
UH, SO IN TERMS OF COMBINING THEM AND MERGING THEM, UM, THE, THE ISSUE IN TERMS OF CERTAIN AREAS BEING, UM, KIND OF TREATED DIFFERENTLY OR UN INEQUITABLY, UM, THE IDEA WAS TO COMBINE THOSE, STILL DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE FORMS LOOK LIKE IN THAT PLACE TYPE, BUT THEN ALSO TOO ON THE MAP, UH, BEING ABLE TO CLEARLY SEE THAT, UM, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT FORMS WAS STILL A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, PLACE TYPE IN GENERAL.
BUT WE CAN THEN DESCRIBE, UH, THE DETAILS OF THAT, UM, IN, IN THE, IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE DOCUMENT.
SO THAT THAT TAKES US TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
SO, UM, FROM, FROM THE TIME WHERE WE HAD THE TWO WHERE PEOPLE WERE KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE CLOSE TO THEM BEING CODIFIED SOMETHING ELSE AND THEY FELT THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME, UM, OTHERS BEING REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW DOES MULTIFAMILY GET INCORPORATED INTO THOSE PLACE TYPES.
UM, THAT HAS THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM CLUB, WHICH IS AGAIN, UNANIMOUS, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS ONE TO COM COMBINE THE, THE PLACE TYPES, UH, INTO ONE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL TO HELP ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT THEY WERE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THOSE, THOSE ISSUES THAT I ALSO MENTIONED TO YOU ALL KIND OF HYPOTHETICALLY, AND THEN ALSO TOO AS WE WERE UPDATING THE MAP TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S SHOWING GRAPHICALLY.
SO I THINK THAT WAS ALSO THE, THE THREE MAIN ISSUES WAS JUST THE, THE MAP REPRESENTATION, THE DESCRIPTIONS, AND THEN TO WHAT THOSE WERE SAYING ABOUT, UM, HOW HOW OTHER USES MULTIFAMILY USES GET APPLIED INTO THERE.
UH, SO SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT CLUB PROVIDED US, IN ADDITION TO SAYING THAT WE SHOULD COMBINE THAT INTO TWO INTO ONE IS, UM, THE, THE COMBINING OF THE TWO PLACE TYPES, UH, INTO ONE IT LOOKS EQUITABLY ABSORB FUTURE GENTLE DENSITY NEEDS IF NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN WITHIN THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, UH, WE SHOULD BE CLARIFYING THE URBAN DESIGN DIFFERENCES OF HOW THE TWO DIFFERENT FORMS THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY, UH, TAKE PLACE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT SOME, SOME LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO FOR REVIEW, IT'S MORE, MORE MEANT FOR THE CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF HOW WE GOT HERE AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE JUST TO HELP US AS WE BEGIN TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS SAYS THAT SENSITIVELY INTEGRATING MIX MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING SUCH AS DUPLEXES AND SMALLER SCALE MULTIPLEXES PROVIDES AN INCREASED, UM, HOUSING CHOICE.
SO GOING BACK TO THAT INITIAL QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU WERE TO SELL YOUR HOME IN YOUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND COULD YOU, COULD YOU AFFORD TO LIVE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, AND THEN ALSO TO, IF NOT, UM, IF YOU WERE HAD THE OPTION TO FIND A SMALLER PLACE IN YOUR SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD YOU DO THAT TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE IS MEANT TO PROVIDE ONE, LIKE IF, IF A COMMUNITY WANTS TO STAY THE WAY IT IS AND EVERYBODY, UM, IS ABLE TO KIND OF KEEP, UH, THEIR, YOU KNOW, SOCIODEMOGRAPHIC STATUS THE SAME, HOPEFULLY YOUR COMMUNITY STAYS THE SAME, BUT THINGS HAPPEN, COVID HAPPENS, UH, RECESSIONS HAPPEN, YOU GET OLDER, UH, YOU GET INJURED.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN STILL STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY WHEN LIFE HAPPENS.
UM, WHETHER THAT BE YOUR FAMILY MOVING AND GROWING UP, WHETHER THAT HAPPENS WITH YOU, YOU
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KNOW, GROWING OLDER, WANNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU TO STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO BE DE WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO LEAVE.UM, LIKE SOME, SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE LEAVING TO ANOTHER PLACE THAT'S MORE, THAT'S SMALLER AND DENSER, UH, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MOW THE LAWN ANYMORE.
MY, MY NEIGHBOR BROKE HIS HIP, UH, AND HE'S IN HIS SIXTIES, SO HE HAS TO LEAVE OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE HE CAN'T, HE CAN'T STAY THERE ANYMORE.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND NOW, WANNA FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF DENSITY, BUT ALSO TO HOW CAN PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, STAY IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SECONDLY, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST CONNECTIVITY, UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT HOW WE ARE ALIGNING THESE OTHER LAND USES IN THIS PLACE TYPE IS DONE, UH, VERY CAREFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY.
SO, UH, OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL LAND USES THAT EXIST HERE, UM, WE, WE ARE, UH, SUGGESTING THAT THEY'RE GENERALLY LOCATED, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER MILE FROM A DART STATION AND OTHER ACTIVITY CENTERS.
AND THEN WE ALSO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FORM THAT YOU SEE IN THE, IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
UH, AND THIS LAST SLIDE, I BELIEVE KIND OF TOUCHES ON MORE OF THOSE URBAN DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT HELP TO CLARIFY AND DEFINE, UM, HOW THIS PLACE GETS APPLIED IN THE CITY.
UH, SO IN AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE VACANT PROPERTIES, UH, OR INACTIVE USES, UM, THAT COULD PROVIDE A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH OF INFILL, UM, DEVELOPMENT, MORE HOUSING, UM, JUST TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO MELD INTO THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, UM, IN, IN AREAS WHERE, UM, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT, DOING THAT IN AN INCREMENTAL AND SENSITIVE WAY.
AND THEN THE, THE HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE LOOKING AT THAT COULD, THAT COULD INCLUDE DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES, MULTIPLEXES, AGAIN FOR THAT REASON, PROVIDING MORE OPPORTUNITY AND WAYS OF STAYING IN YOUR COMMUNITY OR HAVING OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF THAT COMMUNITY, UH, THE ABILITY TO DO SO.
SO THAT IS GENERALLY THE KINDA OVERVIEW OF THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UH, READY TO FIELD.
ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE QUESTION.
UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, I MEAN, WE COULD GO ON FOREVER WITH, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, BUT FOR MOVING FORWARD, UH, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE JUST NOW BEGINNING TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO FORWARD DALLAS AND THE, THE APPLICATION OF THE PLACE TYPES.
UM, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE MECHANISM GOING FORWARD FOR THESE COMMUNITIES TO, UM, EITHER ALTER THEIR PLACE, TYPE OR MODIFY THE BOUNDARIES? SO A FEW DIFFERENT METHODS.
SO LIKE WE MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR STAFF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, SO WE'RE STILL FEELING CALLS AND JUST CONCERNED AND QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO WE, WE HAVE PEOPLE STILL COMING TO OUR OFFICES.
WE'RE STILL GOING OUT TO SELECT, UH, AREAS DEPENDING ON WHO REACHES OUT TO US.
AND THEN THROUGH YOU ALL TOO AS WELL, UH, BEING THE EXPERTS OF YOUR DISTRICTS, UM, YOU ALL WILL PROBABLY BE GETTING THOSE, UH, QUESTIONS AND, AND MEETINGS AS WELL.
SO, UM, OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING, THIS, THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT THAT CAN OCCUR.
UM, ALSO WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, UH, WE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
WE'LL BE THINKING THROUGH TIME, CERTAIN MEETINGS WITH, WITH CPC, UH, TO WHERE THERE WILL BE A SPECIFIC TIME, UH, THAT WE'LL CLARIFY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR TEAMS AND, AND THE REST OF THIS BODY.
UH, AND THEN CLARIFY WITH THE PUBLIC THAT AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE, THE FOUR DOS PLAN.
AND WE CAN BE ABLE TO HEAR THOSE COMMENTS IN THE PUBLIC FORM, UH, TO THEN ONE FOR THE, THE WHOLE BODY TO HEAR AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THEN FOR STAFF TO ALSO RESPOND TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
HAVE YOU, HAS STAFF DONE ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL ANALYSIS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU'VE TAKEN TALKING ABOUT WITH SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS TO SAY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, THE COST OF BUYING A HOME HAS INCREASED X AMOUNT OVER Y YEARS TO SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU BOUGHT HERE AND IT COST X DOLLARS AND 10 YEARS LATER IT WAS Y DOLLARS.
10 YEARS AFTER THAT IT WAS THE DOLLARS TO PROVE THE POINT YOU'RE TALKING.
SO I THINK, UM, OUR
UH, SO GENERALLY FROM 2000 TO 2020, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS GENERALLY HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE.
I THINK THE, THE SOURCE IS GOLDMAN SACHS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR ANALYSIS THAT GENERALLY FROM, FROM 20, FROM 2000 TO NOW, UH, TO 2020, UM, THE CITY HAS BEEN RELATIVELY AFFORDABLE.
UM, BASICALLY, I THINK A HUNDRED PERCENT WAS KINDA LIKE THE, THE BASELINE AND THEY KIND OF DID A TREND ANALYSIS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERYBODY'S BEEN PRETTY AFFORDABLE IN COMPARISON TO, TO, UH, TO CITY, EXCUSE ME,
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TO NATIONAL TRENDS.IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THOUGH, WE'VE KIND OF DIPPED UNDER THAT AND MOST OF, UH, THE CITY, UH, IS NOT AFFORDABLE TO, TO GET HOUSING.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM, FROM THEIR TEAM.
BUT WE HAVEN'T DELVED INTO LIKE MORE SPECIFIC LIKE PARCEL, THE PARCEL AFFORDABILITY ANALYSIS PIECE.
WELL, I GUESS THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING.
HAVE YOU GONE AND DONE ANALYSIS FOR, OR DO YOU PLAN TO, TO SAY, HERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN NORTH OAK CLIFF, HERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN PLEASANT GROVE, HERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN EAST DALLAS, AND HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN TERMS OF THE COST OF LIVING TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND SHOW THESE PEOPLE, HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, AND THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS IS WRITING ARTICLES ABOUT, UM, I'VE GOT MINE THE HECK WITH THE REST OF YOU.
AND THAT'S AN ATTITUDE THAT WE'RE HEARING.
AND I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE COULD SEE SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, NOT PLANNING FOR THE PRESENT AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST AND WHAT THAT'S LIKELY TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE, UM, THAT'S VALUABLE DATA IN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
DOES STAFF HAVE ANY INTENTION OF DOING THAT ANALYSIS OR DO YOU HAVE RESOURCES THAT WE COULD ACCESS WITH THAT INFORMATION? SO YEAH, SO WE ARE ACTUALLY PARTNERING WITH OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND ALSO OUR DATA ANALYTICS TEAM TO ACTUALLY THINK THROUGH THOSE, UH, THAT ANALYSIS AND THE DATA AND HOW WE COULD SHOW THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK THE, THE GENERAL DATA THAT WE DO HAVE IS EITHER STATEWIDE OR BASED ON THE CENSUS.
AND BEING ABLE TO KIND OF DO THOSE DRILL DOWNS, UH, IS GONNA TAKE A BIT MORE KIND OF ANALYSIS FROM OUR, OUR PARTNERS.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, THE, THE HOPE IS TO KIND OF PARTNER WITH THE, THE EXPERTS IN THOSE FIELDS, UH, TO HELP US PROVIDE MORE OF THAT DATA TO SUPPORT, UH, THOSE LAND USE, UM, THOSE FUTURE ASPIRATIONAL LAND USE, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT TO KIND OF USE MORE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND CAN I JUST, UH, WEIGH IN THAT WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE DATA SETS, SO I THINK WE CAN SHOW SOME OF THE, THE, THAT DATA BEHIND THAT.
BUT I, I, I WANNA BROADEN IT OUT, PULL IT BACK EVEN FURTHER FROM THE NECESSARY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL AND, AND REMIND ABOUT THE SCALE OF THESE PLACE TYPES.
IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW WE'RE DESCRIBING THESE PLACES.
AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND OUR RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, IT IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT MAKES UP THOSE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE AT A CITYWIDE SCALE, AT LEAST WHERE WE'RE COMING AT FROM AT THIS POINT.
WE ARE NOT DEFINING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THOSE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE ALREADY DEFINED BY ZONING.
WHAT THIS IS, IS DESCRIBING A PLACE AND WHAT ARE THE USES THAT MAKE UP THAT BIGGER PLACE? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM A CITYWIDE PERSPECTIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, YOU CAN GET MORE GRANULAR, YOU MAYBE ARE JUST LOOKING, BUT EVEN WHEN YOU'RE DOING A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, IT'S NOT JUST THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, RIGHT, THAT MAKE UP THAT PLACE.
AND SO I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT JUST EVEN FROM THE BIGGER, EVEN THE E YOU KNOW, YES, WE CAN GET THE ECONOMICS, WE CAN GET THE DATA BEHIND IT, WE CAN DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT REALLY IT IS WHAT ARE WE SAYING ABOUT DIFFERENT PLACES AND THE HEALTH AND THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THOSE PLACES MOVING FORWARD? ARE WE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN ARE WE GONNA START TO DEFINE AN APARTMENT PLACE TYPE? ARE WE GOING TO DEFINE A DUPLEX PLACE TYPE? ARE WE GOING TO DEFINE A, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CENTER PLACE TYPE? IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT ARE THESE USES THAT MAKE UP A HEALTHY AREA AND THE SCALE OF THAT.
SO I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I, I DO WANNA GET YOU ALL THAT DATA SO THAT IT CAN HELP YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST HAVE US WALK IT BACK A LITTLE BIT AS WELL AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE DESCRIBING THESE PLACES AT A CITYWIDE LEVEL.
I THINK TO, I WANT TO ADD TO WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED TOO, WHEN DOING, UM, SPECIFICALLY FINANCIAL MODELING OR AN ANALYSIS, WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT, UH, KIND OF THE STATE STATEWIDE CITYWIDE AND THEN LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE, UM, THE, THE ACCURACY OF THAT INFORMATION, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, IT BECOMES LESS ACCURATE AS YOU START TO KIND OF GO TO CERTAIN DIFFERENT SCALES.
SO I THINK WHEN WE GO INTO THE, THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE IN TERMS OF NOT JUST THE LANE USES, BUT OTHER ASSOCIATING ATTRIBUTES THAT ARE TANGENTIAL TO THAT TRANSPORTATION, ET CETERA.
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BASICALLY TIMES ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY, THAT WON'T BE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT.BUT WE HAVE THAT, THE GENERAL KIND OF CITYWIDE DATA THAT WE CAN KINDA USE AND HELP AND SUPPORT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO FOR US TO DO AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? WELL, I GUESS MY, I'LL PHRASE THIS AS A QUESTION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WE BRING THE PUBLIC ALONG IN THIS PROCESS? IF WE ARE TALKING AT A LEVEL THAT'S NOT THEIR LEVEL, AND I'M HEARING A LOT OF WHAT I WOULD CALL THEORETICAL AND ESOTERIC DISCUSSION THAT'S NOT AIMED AT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY, WHO WE WANT TO KEEP IN THE CITY, WHO ARE, FRANKLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DECISION MAKERS WHO GO TO THE POLLS.
AND THAT'S NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE, BUT THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO COUNT.
SO HOW DO WE BRING THOSE PEOPLE WITH US? BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE AT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WE HAVE TO TALK TO.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO HAVE TOOLS THAT WE CAN EDUCATE THEM ON THESE THINGS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DOES STAFF PLAN TO HELP US BRING THOSE PEOPLE WHERE WE NEED TO BE? BECAUSE USING PHRASES THAT WE'RE USING IN THESE DISCUSSIONS AIN'T GONNA GET THERE.
SO FOR US IN OUR PLANT URBAN DESIGN, WE GOING HAVING THOSE SMALLER MEETINGS, THAT'S THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.
UH, SO WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN THIS BODY, UM, AND, AND SAY WE WANT TO HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MEANS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS FOR DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS, THIS, ON THIS HORSESHOE.
SO I THINK GOING TO THE COMMUNITY AND HEARING FROM THEM SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE SAY THIS, IT MEANS THIS THAT'S BEEN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.
AND THEN WE COME TOGETHER THROUGH THIS BODY AND SAY, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, THIS IS THE SUGGESTION THAT WE THINK MAKES SENSE TO PROVIDE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF THIS TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOOD OR THESE TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY.
BUT MOST SUCCESSFULLY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO THOSE COMMUNITIES, HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, HAVING THEM COME TO US, WE GO TO THEM.
UM, THAT'S BEEN HOW WE BASICALLY HAVE DONE OUR APPROACH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND THAT'S BEEN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY SPEAK THE LANGUAGE THAT THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS WHERE THEY ARE.
UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN WAS NEXT.
APOLOGIZE TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
SO WHAT COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE SOME OF THE PLACE TYPES, UM, ARE NOT THE COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT DO NOT WANT THAT.
THOSE, SOME OF THOSE PLACE TYPES SUCH AS THOSE, UH, HIGHER DENSITY IN THE SINGLE FAMILY THEY CAN'T AFFORD.
AND WE ARE HEARING, UM, A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THE PLACE TYPES, THE IS WELL, THE ATTRACTION OF THOSE WHO ARE COMING INTO THE CITY, WHEREAS THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY ARE HAVING TO MOVE OUT INTO SUBURBAN AREAS THAT HAVE, UH, UM, THAT ARE CHEAPER IN RENT OR EVEN IN HOMES.
WHEREAS IN THE CITY MIDDLE, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE MOVING OUT AT RAPID NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER CAN AFFORD WHERE THEY'RE LIVING.
AND DENSITY IS NOT GONNA SOLVE BECAUSE FOR EVERY SMALLER HOUSE, THE PRICE TAG IS STILL HIGH.
AND SO DEVELOPERS ARE BUILDING SMALLER UNITS, HIGHER DENSITY UNITS, BUT THEY ALSO, THE PRICE TAG IS REALLY THE SAME AS THE LARGER DENSITY.
SO I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN THE COMMUNITIES, AND THESE COMMUN AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE SAYING, WE WANT THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY SCARED THAT THEY NO LONGER, WELL, THEY ALREADY CAN'T AFFORD THE TAXES.
UM, SO WHAT COMMUNITIES ARE THIS CON IS THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENING IN BESIDES, UH, BISHOP ARTS AND UPTOWN WHO WANTS AS SMALL AS DENSITY AS THEY CAN SO THEY CAN GET AS MANY UNITS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE MOVING INTO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY AREAS, THOSE THAT DO WANT SOME TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT NOT THE HUGE OVERGROWN NON-COMMUNITY BASED APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THESE ARE BEING SERVICED BY PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING INTO THE CITY.
EVERY ARTICLE I'VE READ IS TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TO COME TO THE CITY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN ROUTE BY THIS BY 2045.
BUT IT IS NOT SERVICING THOSE, ESPECIALLY IN MY COMMUNITY.
AND THAT HAPPENED WITHIN A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
SO SPEAKING TO JUST THAT, THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU HAVE NOT DOING ANYTHING AND YOUR PROPERTY HASN'T SKYROCKETED, HOW DO YOU STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY? THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
SO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SAY, I WANNA STAY IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT
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I CAN'T, HOW CAN I STAY IN THIS COMMUNITY? I'M WILLING TO LIVE SOMEWHERE THAT'S SMALLER.I'M WILLING TO, TO DOWNSIZE BECAUSE I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT I WANNA BE ABLE TO STAY HERE AND AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
NOT JUST IN YOU SAID VENTURE PARKS, BUT THAT'S, WE WE'RE HEARING THAT ALL OVER THE CITY.
UM, USUALLY FROM THE YOUNGER GENERATION, FROM THE OLDER GENERATION, WE'RE HEARING THAT, HOW DO I STAY IN MY COMMUNITY? UM, SO I THINK, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, IN ADDITION TO JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY LIVE IN THESE, UH, IN THESE COMMUNITIES AND CITIES, THE CITY OF DALLAS STAY THERE, WE'RE ALSO THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING MORE PEOPLE TOO AS WELL.
SO I THINK JUST FOR THE, FOR YOUR PARTICULAR POINT, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE HEARING THAT FROM EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY, THAT PEOPLE WILL WANT TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE WILLING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT LAND USE CHANGES OR TWEAKS CAN HAPPEN TO ALLOW THEM TO STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY, ENJOY WHAT THEY'RE USED TO SEEING IN THEIR COMMUNITY, UM, AND NOT HAVE TO GET PRICED OUT LIKE YOU MENTIONED.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAD A QUESTION.
WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KEEP MOVING.
UM, BUT I THINK ONE THING THAT I'M HEARING, AND I THINK IT'S REFLECTED IN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE ARE RECEIVING, IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INTEGRATING DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES COMPATIBLE WITH THE SCALE, IT ALSO ISN'T ACKNOWLEDGING THAT MANY TIMES WHAT'S IN OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE DOESN'T MATCH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.
UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT CONSIDERATION IS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY INTEGRATED IN THE LANGUAGE.
I THINK FOR ME, A PRIMARY QUESTION THAT I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AS WELL IS WE ALSO DON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT MIX.
IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE INTEGRATE ADDITIONAL HOUSING, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AS THIS IS WRITTEN, IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY CONTEXT FOR HOW THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED.
IT MENTIONS THERE SHOULD BE STRATEGIC PLANNING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S AREAS, UM, IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE PROBABLY 50 50 THEY'VE DEVELOPED OVER TIME.
I THINK IT'S PART OF THE MODEL, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT ALL MULTIFAMILY.
THEY'RE NOT ALL SINGLE FAMILY.
THERE'S DUPLEXES, THERE'S ALL THE THINGS THAT I, I READ IN THIS LANGUAGE.
BUT THERE'S NOT THAT, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S TO MS. GILLIS'S POINT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CITYWIDE AND NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID, WE ARE SPEAKING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, SO HOW DO WE HAVE THE TOOLS AND THE LANGUAGE HERE THAT EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND AND IN MAKE A, YOU KNOW, INFORMED DETERMINATION ON.
SO I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE THAT.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT COULD BE AN ALL AFTERNOON DISCUSSION, SO, OKAY.
UH, I'M GONNA TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF REMARKS BEFORE WE WE DISMISS YOU, BUT, UH, UH, MY EXPERIENCE WITH MEETINGS IN MY COMMUNITY SO FAR IS THAT THE IMPORTANT QUESTION OF RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES IS OVERSHADOWING THE IMPORTANT QUESTION OF NON-RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, AND THAT THERE'S ZERO DISCUSSION OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL DIMENSIONS OF THE PLAN BECAUSE OF THE FOCUS ON THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT ALREADY, BUT I, UH, THERE WILL BE A ROBUST DISCUSSION AROUND THAT AT SOME POINT.
UM, I WOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S REMARKS ABOUT VOCABULARY, AND I WOULD ADD COMPLEXITY.
UH, THIS IS GETTING MORE COMPLICATED THE MORE WE ADD DRAFTS TO THIS.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING PAGES TO THE PLACE TYPES TO FURTHER DES DESCRIBE THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN MY MEETINGS WITH MY COMMUNITY SO FAR, THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GRASPING WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I THINK THE SIMPLER THE BETTER, THE MORE LAY FRIENDLY, THE BETTER.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REALLY LEAN INTO OUR, OUR GIS DATA AND START TO, UM, USE DATA TO, UM, INFORM US ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA PICK UP HOUSING UNITS IN THIS CITY AND WHERE WE CAN MAKE MEANINGFUL STRIDES.
AND I, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO START LOOKING AT, UH, MEASURING THIS AMOUNT AMOUNTS OF LAND, UH, IN VARIOUS PLACES, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, ET CETERA, AND, AND SEE WHAT WE LEARN.
UM, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
I, I, UH, I COULD GO ON ABOUT THAT AND ABOUT THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS, BUT THERE WAS, THERE WERE SOME REMARKS AND QUESTIONS, UH, IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES ABOUT MORE DATA.
UH, I THINK THAT TO BACK THIS UP, SO I WOULD, I WOULD FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE PRETTY PRODUCTIVE.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONCLUDE THIS AND, UH, MOVE INTO OUR BRIEFING OF, OF, UH, CASES TODAY.
UM, AS WE TRANSITION INTO OUR ZONING CASES, I DID WANT TO, UH, WELCOME UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH TO THE, UH, HORSESHOE THIS MORNING, WHO WILL BE, UH, UNDERTAKING, UH, IMPORTANT WORK IN DISTRICT FOUR.
I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, UM, DOCKET HERE AND MANY, MANY
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CASES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY HAVE BEEN HELD AND PRESUMABLY BRIEFED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.UM, NOT THE DISTRICT, NOT THE DISTRICT FOUR CASES, THE DISTRICT FOUR CASES.
ALRIGHT, WELL I WAS GONNA SUGGEST WE SKIP AROUND, BUT SHALL WE JUST START AT THE TOP AND IS STAFF PREPARED TO BEGIN CASE NUMBER FOUR M 2 2 3 0 2 7? YES, WE CAN START WITH THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. ONE MOMENT.
UM, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE M 2 23 DASH 27.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PD NUMBER 6 95 PHASE THREE.
IT IS CURRENTLY THE HIGHLAND SPRINGS RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, APPROXIMATELY 85.78 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 12.
THIS IS THE LOCATION AND ZONING MAP.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED FAR NORTH DALLAS, NORTH OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
IT IS LOCATED ON SOUTHEAST CORNER OF KUWAIT ROAD AND FRANKFURT ROAD.
THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE AREA.
THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS TAKING PLACE IN ZONE B FOR THE SUMMARY OF CHANGES.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING 3.3 AND 3.4.
THEY WILL BE RECONFIGURING THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE BUILDING AND SHAPE STRUCTURES.
UM, THEY WILL INCREASE THE BUILDING FLOOR AREA, DECREASE THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS, RECONFIGURED THE PARKING AREA, AND DECREASING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT STILL MEETING THE REQUIRED SPACES.
THEY WILL INCREASE LOCK COVERAGE AND ADJUST THE LOCATION OF TREES AND SIDEWALKS.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TAKING PLACE AROUND HERE AND THEN RIGHT HERE OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ENLARGED VERSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE CHANGES ARE OCCURRING.
THIS IS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN NORTH.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, NORTH ENLARGED.
SO THIS IS WHERE THOSE, UM, TREES ARE BEING RELOCATED.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO THE SOUTH AND THEN THE SOUTH ENLARGED.
AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN TO THE NORTH, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN TO THE SOUTH AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
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THANK YOU.UM, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ALONG.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, M 2 2 3 0 2 8.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, IF I MAY.
I WANTED TO, UM, AS SHAYLA COMES UP, I HAD INTENDED TO COME UP HERE EARLIER, BUT I WANTED TO INTRODUCE OUR TWO NEW PLANNERS.
I THINK YOU HAVE MET THEM BEFORE.
UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS THEIR FIRST, THEIR DEBUT AT, UH, PRESENTING AND BRIEFING AT CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, THIS IS SHAYLA AND YOU JUST HEARD FROM TASIA.
SO I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO GIVE THEM A GRAND WELCOME.
YOU GONNA JUST USE THIS ONE? I'LL, OKAY.
AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING SITE.
PLAN FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1357 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONE R DASH 7.5 A.
COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE LOCATED AT EAST OF DOWNTOWN.
AS WE CAN SEE, LOCATION AND ZONING MAP, UH, LOCATED NORTHWEST OF BRUTON ROAD AND EAST OF MCCUTCHEN LANE.
AS SHOWN HERE IN THE AERIAL MAP, WE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY ALL AROUND EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, LEFT, WHICH IS A CHURCH.
THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE APPROVED SUP PLAN TO ADD A NEW PARKING AREA AND REMOVE THREE TREES AND ADD TWO MORE.
SO SHOWING RIGHT NOW IS THE EXISTING SUP SITE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, COLORED IN RED.
IT'S THE AREA THAT'S GONNA BE AMENDED AND THE THREE TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA GET REMOVED.
PROPOSED SHOWING THE PARKING LOT ADDED AND THE TWO TREES THAT ARE BEING ADDED.
AGAIN, AERIAL MAP SHOWING WHERE THE PROPOSED PARKING'S GONNA BE LOCATED AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, I NOTICED THAT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY ADDING FRONT YARD WITHIN, OR PARKING WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH TYPICALLY ISN'T ALLOWED IN OUR SEVEN FIVE.
IS THAT A FUNCTION OF THE INSTITUTIONAL USE THAT'S ALLOWING THAT? I HAVE TALKED TO OUR TRAFFIC MAN, UM, TO OUR ARBORIST AND HE DOESN'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
I'VE TALKED TO YOU THE OTHER MANNERS AND THERE HAS BEEN NO ISSUES.
UM, I GUESS I WAS ASKING MORE ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE ZONING, BUT I DID HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE LANDSCAPING.
IS SCREENING REQUIRED FOR THIS PARKING IF IT IS GRANTED BY THIS BODY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY? SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION ONE MORE TIME? SCREENING REQUIRED AT THE PARKING DUE TO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
I I DIDN'T SEE IT INDICATED ON THE PLAN AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO WOULD THAT BE EVALUATED WHEN THEY GO FOR THEIR PERMIT? YES.
SINCE I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU IN JUST A SECOND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UM, SO, UH, MS. HAMPTON, CAN WE MOVE ON AND THEN, OKAY.
I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE ANSWERS AFTER.
UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S MOVE TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX.
I UNDERSTAND THAT ITEM IS GOING TO BE HELD.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BRIEF IT.
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UM,SO, UM, WELL IN THE ENTRANCE OF TIME, LET'S KEEP MOVING.
I COULD COME BACK TO THAT ONE IF WE NEED TO.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, D 2 3 4 0 0 1.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
CAN WE BRIEF THAT ONE, PLEASE? YES.
THIS IS D 2 34 DASH 0 0 1 REQUEST AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 21 NORTH ZONE SUBDISTRICT B.
COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE LOCATION AND ZONING MAP LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF DOWNTOWN ON THE ZONING MAP, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MARYFIELD ROAD AND MONON CREEK PARKWAY.
SHOWN IN THE AREA HOME MAP, WE CAN SEE IT'S AROUND A LOT OF WAREHOUSES.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO BUILD A HOTEL.
IT'S 9,600 SQUARE FEET, FOUR STORIES, 85 GUEST ROOMS AND 85 PARKING SPACES.
SO SHOWN HERE IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
TAKE A FEW SECONDS, JUST STAY HERE SO IT SINKS IN AND YEAH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MR. HERBERT? YES.
UM, CURRENTLY I BELIEVE IN THIS PD, THIS, UH, SU, THERE'S A SUP FOR, UM, A MOTEL OR HOTEL WITH ROOMS LESS THAN 80.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING 85.
DOES THAT REMOVE THE NEED FOR THE SUP? YES.
IF THEY DO 80 OR LESS THAN THEY DO REQUIRE AN SUP.
IF IT'S ANY MORE THAN THAT, THEY DO NOT.
FURTHER QUESTIONS, IF NOT, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THE HEARING, YOU MIGHT CONFIRM WITH YOUR APPLICANT.
I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE 96,000 SQUARE FEET, NOT 9,600.
UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM, OH, COMMISSIONER AND CHAIR.
CAN WE, CAN WE PULL THIS ITEM? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOP.
IT'LL, IT, IT'LL BE DEALT WITH INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN ON ITEM SIX THAT WE'RE HOLDING, DO WE NEED TO BRIEF THAT? WE JUST, WE SKIPPED THE BRIEFING A MOMENT AGO WHILE YOU WERE TALKING TO MR. BALDWIN.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED IT IS, UM, IT'S ONLY BEING HELD BECAUSE OF THE FULL NOTIFICATION HAS NOT BEEN SENT OUT AS ONE, IF I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, STAFF SAID THAT THERE WAS ONE PERSON ON, UH, OWNER ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAD NOT BEEN, UM, PROPERLY NOTIFIED.
SO WE, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN HELD.
SO THEN WE'LL HAVE STAFF RECOMMEND A DATE TO WHICH IT WILL BE HELD.
UH, THEY SAID, UH, I WANNA SAY TWO WEEKS.
AND SOMEONE HELP ME WITH THE MATH ON THAT.
WHAT DATE? THAT WOULD BE THE 29TH.
OH, 'CAUSE WE'RE SKIPPING A WEEK.
ACTUALLY THREE WEEKS THE NEXT TURN TILL THE NEXT ONE.
SO, UH, WE WON'T BE BRIEFING NUMBER SIX.
WE JUST BRIEF NUMBER SEVEN, YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? UH, IS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN? ONE, ONE HOUSEKEEPING ITEM? WE DO HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA FOR MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PULL, WE SHOULD PULL THEM.
WELL, I THINK WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM ON MISCELLANEOUS.
I THOUGHT WE HAD THREE, BUT, OKAY.
WELL, SO, UM, SO WE DO NEED TO PULL COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S CASE THEN AND SIX? YEAH.
GONNA REMOVE SIX AND SEVEN FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO, OKAY.
UH, NO, SEVEN, IT'S JUST GONNA BE PULLED FROM CONSENT.
UM, ON ITEM EIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO WE NEED ANY FURTHER BRIEFING ON THAT?
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I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY FURTHER BRIEFING.UM, I'M, I'M GONNA BE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, BUT I'LL, I'LL DO THAT AFTER THE MOTION.
SO THAT, UM, THAT TAKES CARE OF THE, THE MINORS AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, ET CETERA.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING CASES.
I'M AWARE THAT WE'RE HOLDING ITEMS 12, 13 AND 16 IN DISTRICT FOUR.
UM, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO, DO YOU WANT ANY BRIEFING OF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD? NO NEED TO BRIEF THOSE TODAY.
THAT WOULD BE FINE TO DELAY THE DEBRIEFING.
THAT WOULD BE OKAY TO DELAY THE OKAY.
UM, AND DO WE HAVE A DATE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HOLD? THOSE THREE CASES? UH, CAN WE DELAY TO THE, UH, I THINK THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH IS ON THE SEVENTH.
WHAT IS THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH? THE 21ST? WHAT? 21ST CAN WE DELAY TO THE 21ST? OKAY.
SO WE'LL, OKAY, SO WE'LL PLAN ON THE 21ST ON THOSE THREE.
UM, ARE WE BRIEF? WE'RE NOT, NO, WE'RE NOT.
HE SAYS WE DON'T NEED TO BRIEF THEM TODAY.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER CASES BEING HELD.
UM, SO I'LL JUST START AT THE TOP WITH, UH, CASE NUMBER NINE.
UM, THIS IS, UM, Z 2 23 DASH 116.
IT, THIS ONE I'M CERTAIN HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.
ANY NEED TO BRIEF THIS FURTHER, MR. COMMISSIONER REAGAN? YES.
ALSO, UM, 18 IS BEING HELD BY STAFF, UH, UP UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 21ST.
THAT WAS PRINTED IN THE DOCKET.
IF I MAY, ON THE ITEM NINE? YEAH.
ITEM ITEM NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER 18.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE MISSING THE WRONG DAY.
I DO NOT HEAR ANY REQUESTS TO BRIEF ITEM NINE AGAIN.
UH, BUT, BUT I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED, UM, A HOLD TO, THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY ITS DATE.
I FORWARDED THAT TO THE CHAIR OR TO, UM, AND, AND HE, I DIDN'T HEAR BACK IN REGARDS TO THAT, BUT THE APPLICANT DID RES REQUEST A HOLD, SO.
SO, UM, WE WILL HOLD, AND I'M GONNA RECRUIT A COMMISSIONER TO HANDLE THAT ONE HERE IN A MOMENT.
SO,
DATE OF, THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY IT'S EIGHT, BUT I THINK THEY'D LIKE TO MOVE ON IT.
UM, AND SO NO FURTHER BRIEFING ON THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
MAY I GET A CLARIFICATION HERE? I, I THOUGHT WE HAD DECIDED TO, UM, DELAY CASES AT LEAST FOUR WEEKS.
IF, IF WE WERE STILL WAIT, UM, UM, DELAYING UNTIL THE NEXT HEARING WOULD MEAN THAT ALL OF THE UM, ANYTHING THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT WANTS TO TURN IN WOULD HAVE TO BE IN BY TOMORROW TO MAKE THE DOCKET FOR THE NEXT TIME.
SO, I MEAN, I, I THOUGHT WE HAD KIND OF EVOLVED A POLICY WHERE IF THERE WERE, WE WERE AWAITING CHANGES FROM APPLICANT'S, WE WOULD GIVE IT AT LEAST FOUR WEEKS.
AM I, MR. MULKEY, CAN YOU CLARIFY? HI GUYS.
JUST WANTED TO CRASH LAND AT THE HORSESHOE TODAY.
UM, WE GENERALLY ADVISE TO HOLD THINGS TO MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER FOR THE DOCKET.
UM, UH, THE, UM, I DON'T FORESEE THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF, UH, THINGS STAFF NEEDS TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MEETING GETS HELD TO.
I THINK THIS IS MORE, UH, TO DO WITH THE APPLICANT REQUESTING THE HOLD SO THAT THEY CAN SPEAK WITH THE, UH, WITH CHAIR.
SHE DID THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THE POLICY.
UM, SO THAT LEADS US TO ITEM NUMBER 10.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FORSYTH WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD TODAY.
UM, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BRIEF THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT ONE'S BEEN BRIEFED.
AND GOOD MORNING TO ALL OF OUR COMMISSION.
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EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY.CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH THEN I'LL CONTINUE.
THIS REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION TO RENEW A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT, WHICH DOES REQUIRE AN SUP FOR THE FUELING STATION PORTION OF THE USE.
AND THE AREA OF REQUEST IS JUST OVER HALF AN ACRE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CEDAR CREST BOULEVARD AND EAST EAST BOULEVARD.
ORIGINALLY THIS WAS APPROVED IN MAY OF 2021 BY CITY COUNCIL, WHICH INITIATED THE SUP FOR A A FIRST TWO YEAR PERIOD.
HOWEVER, THE USE HAD YET TO OPERATE AND IT DID EXPIRE IN MAY.
THEY DID APPLY FOR THE RENEWAL AS PERMITTED, UM, AHEAD OF THAT EXPIRATION IN DECEMBER OF 2022.
AND THIS WAS ALL WHILE THEY WERE PENDING CONSTRUCTION PERMITS AND THEIR FINAL CO AND STORE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.
OVERALL, IT DID DELAY THE ZONING CASE QUITE A BIT.
IT'S BEEN READY TO GO FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, BUT, UM, THEY HAVE NOW CLEARED THOSE ITEMS. CONSTRUCTION'S COMPLETE.
THE USE IS AN OPERATION AND THEIR CONVENIENCE STORE REGISTRATION HAS BEEN APPROVED.
SO THIS SPECIFIC DISTRICT, UH, IT DOESN'T ALLOW THE FUELING, UM, STATION ELEMENT OF THE USE.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST THAT USE AT THE SITE.
THERE'S ALSO GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORES AND A DRY CLEANER OR LAUNDRY STORE USE LOCATED WITHIN THE FACILITY.
NOW HERE IS A LOCATION MAP SHOWING THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF CADILLAC HEIGHTS AND SOUTH OF THE CEDARS GENERALLY, AND AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE DEVELOPED NATURE OF THE SITE.
HOWEVER, THIS AERIAL MAP DOES NOT SHOW THE NEW FUELING CANOPY THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED AT THE SITE.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.
THERE'S AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER LOCATED TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST.
THERE'S STILL UNDEVELOPED LAND IN THE R FIVE A DISTRICT AND THEN DIRECTLY LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE SITE.
THERE IS A MULTI-FAMILY USE TO THE EAST AND MORE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE SOUTH, ALL WITHIN THE NSA DISTRICT AS WELL.
ACROSS THE STREET THOUGH, THERE IS A CR DISTRICT, THERE'S A VACANT GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, WHICH THEY DO HAVE THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS SITE, THAT LOCATION.
AND THEN THERE IS ADDITIONAL UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE NORTHWEST.
SO MY SITE PHOTOS ARE FROM THE INITIATION OF THE CASE IN LATE 2022, EARLY 2023.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT I'LL SHOW YOU PHOTOS OF THE SITE THAT INCLUDE WHILE IT WAS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN SOME MORE RECENTLY UPDATED PHOTOS OF THE SITE THAT SHOW THE FUEL FUELING CANOPY ALREADY INSTALLED AND OPERATIONAL.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THE SITE FROM CEDAR CREST BOULEVARD, THE SIDE VIEW.
AND HERE THEY WERE INSTALLING THAT FUELING CANOPY, BUT IT WAS NOT OPERATIONAL.
THE LAUNDRY STORE AND THE MARKETS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE, THIS IS WHERE THEY WERE BEARING THE TANKS.
AND THEN AFTER CONSTRUCTION, THESE ARE NOW OPERATIONAL FILL PUMPS.
SURROUNDING LAND USES INCLUDE THIS UNDEVELOPED AREA LOCATED TO THE SOUTH AND THAT VACANT GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOR FOOD STORE WHERE THEY DO SHARE PARKING.
AND THEN TO THE NORTHWEST, THE AUTO SERVICE CENTER TO THE NORTHEAST UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE EAST.
THESE ARE THEIR PROPOSED SUP CONDITIONS.
THE ONLY CHANGE IS TO ALLOW THE USE FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.
AND THE EXISTING SUP SITE PLAN THEY DO CONFORM WITH AND THEY WOULD MAINTAIN.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO THOSE AMENDED CONDITIONS.
I HAVE ASKED, UH, UH, THE STAFF TO, UH, CHECK TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, UH,
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CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN IN THIS AREA.UH, AND, UM, IF, IF YOU ALLOW ME, JENNIFER M. MUNOZ DID, UH, DO A CHECK AND THERE WERE THREE, UH, INCIDENCES OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, BUT THEY WERE ALL THE WAY BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.
AND SINCE THEN, THERE'S BEEN NO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THIS LOCATION.
AND EVEN THOSE EVENTS, ONE WAS A, A MARIJUANA THING AND ANOTHER WAS SOMEONE DISPLAYED A HANDGUN AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THEN THE OTHER THIRD EVENT WAS A RECKLESS DRIVING EVENT.
SO, BUT THOSE WERE ALL TWO YEARS AGO.
SO IT DOES APPEAR TO BE A, A SAFE LOCATION AND NOT, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM WITH CRIME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE, UH, COMMENT, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT AND JUST WANTED TO BRING TO THE BODY'S ATTENTION THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CRIME STATS, THEY NEED TO BE RELATED AND KIND OF LIKE DIRECTLY RELATED WITH THE CELLS OF ALCOHOL.
SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, WE NEED TO STICK TO LENS USE, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS JUST IN THE FUTURE.
USE RATIONALE IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR IN THAT VEIN, UM, MS. MUNOZ, IS IT CORRECT THAT WE TYPICALLY RECEIVE, UM, POLICE REPORTS RELATED TO SUP REQUESTS, UM, TO HELP US UNDERSTAND AND ENSURE THAT THERE IS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT LAND USES AS WE'RE CHARGED TO DO IN CONSIDERING AN SUP? YES, WE CUSTOMARILY PROVIDE THEM FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF USES THAT REQUIRE SUVS.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 11, UH, AS WE STATED EARLIER, WILL BE HELD TO 3 21.
UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I BELIEVE WE'VE PROBABLY BRIEFED THIS IN THE PAST.
HAVE WE WE HAVE NOT BRIEFED IT YET.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO BRIEF IT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BRIEF NO NEED TO BRIEF IT TODAY, NO.
UM, ITEMS 12 AND 13, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, UH, SAID WE DID NOT NEED TO BRIEF TODAY.
UM, ITEM 14, UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, THIS IS A BIG DAY FOR CLEARING SOME OF THESE D FOUR CASES TODAY.
UM, I THINK YOU'RE WE'RE, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE 14 BRIEFED 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TAKE ACTION ON IT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE A PLANNER HERE TO, UH, BRIEF NUMBER 14 Z 2 23 DASH 300.
IT WAS A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK, I THOUGHT THERE USED TO BE A PODIUM HERE.
THIS IS CASE Z 2 2 3 DASH 300.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF HENDRICKS AVENUE EAST OF SOUTH DENLEY DRIVE.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 7,200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
YOU SEE IT RIGHT HERE, UH, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP.
IT IS THE AERIAL SHOWING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
A ZONING MAP THAT DESCRIBES THE AREA AS WE SEE IT IS IN THE R FIVE A DISTRICT SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH IS A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT THAT CONTAINS A VARIETY OF USES TO THE SORT OF NORTHEAST OF IT.
THERE IS A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE LOT IS UNDEVELOPED.
AND THERE'S ALSO GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET ON THE INTERSECTION OF MORRELL.
AND SOUTH DANLEY DRIVE, AS MENTIONED, IS CURRENTLY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND IT IS UNDEVELOPED.
THE LOT HAS FRONT TO JOHN HENDRICKS AVENUE THE APPLICANT.
I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE UPDATED THE LANGUAGE IN HERE, BUT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH A DUPLEX.
AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST THE TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT, SOME SITE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS ON HENDRICKS AVENUE, LOOKING NORTH AT THE SITE, LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE, LOOKING TO THE WEST.
THE SITE IS THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE LOOKING SOUTHWEST AWAY FROM THE SITE SOUTH ACROSS FROM THE SITE AND SOUTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE.
THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BETWEEN THE R FIVE A DISTRICT AND THE TH THREE
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A DISTRICT.AS WE SEE, THE MAIN DIFFERENCES HERE ARE GOING TO BE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE CODE LOT COVERAGE HEIGHT AND UNIT DENSITY.
UH, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE MENTIONED AS WE LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS THAT WHILE THERE ARE CERTAINLY DIFFERENCES HERE BETWEEN THE SETBACKS, THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT APPLY THAT ACTUALLY WILL MODIFY OR WOULD MODIFY THE SETBACKS ON ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS DISTRICT.
THE FIRST IS BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENTS.
THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT IS THAT ON ANY GIVEN BLOCK FACE OF DEVELOPMENT, THE MOST RESTRICTIVE STANDARD APPLIES IN THIS CASE, R FIVE A HAS A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
AND SO WHILE GENERALLY TH THREE EIGHT DOES NOT HAVE A FRONT SETBACK MINIMUM, IT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
ANOTHER PROVISION THAT COMES UP IN THE CODE IS THE SIDE SETBACKS FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ABUT A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO IN THIS CASE, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A DUPLEX ON THIS LOT, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE SIDE SETBACKS OF THE R FIVE A DISTRICT WOULD APPLY TO THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ABUT THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO IT WOULD BE A 10 FOOT SIDE SETBACK, UH, RATHER THAN THE FIVE FOOT DUPLEX SIDE SETBACK THAT WE CURRENTLY SEE HERE.
UH, BEYOND THAT, THERE IS A SLIGHTLY HIGHER ALLOWANCE FOR HEIGHT, UH, 36 FEET VERSUS 30 FEET, AND THE LOCK COVERAGE IS, UH, 60% RATHER THAN 45% FOR RESIDENTIAL.
BUT AGAIN, IT IS WORTH KEEPING IN MIND THAT THESE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THEY TEND TO BE THE MOST ONEROUS OF ALL THESE OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND SO IN PRACTICE, YOUR LOT COVERAGE WOULD LIKELY NOT REACH 60%.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, MR. FORAY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE PLANNER, BUT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, UH, DID THE UH, UH, PROPERTY OWNER CONSIDER, UH, BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THIS PROPERTY SINCE IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR R FIVE? AND WHY, WHY NOT? I SUPPOSE YOU CAN ASK THAT QUESTION AT THE HEARING OF THE APPLICANT.
AND THE REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE AT THE HEARING TODAY.
AND, AND THEN QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING AS WELL.
COULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE ASKED LATER IN THE HEARING? YES.
UM, MR. BATE, UH, AS STAFF EVALUATED THIS REQUEST, I SEE THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, OF APPROVAL.
UM, WAS THERE CONSIDERATION OF THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS? IT APPEARS TO BE, YOU KNOW, ONE LOT IN A LARGER AREA.
COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW STAFF EVALUATED THAT? I KNOW YOU COVERED IT SOMEWHAT IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT IS THERE ANY MORE CONTEXT THERE? CERTAINLY, I'M HAPPY TO ELABORATE ON THAT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED IN THE ANALYSIS OF THIS WAS HOW IT WOULD FIT INTO THE EXISTING FABRIC OVERALL.
CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE JARRING TO HAVE A VERY LARGE, LET'S SAY A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY AREA OVERALL.
BUT GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WOULD BE PLACED ON THIS BY THE VARIOUS SETBACK REQUIREMENTS DIMENSIONALLY, WHATEVER WOULD BE BUILT THERE WOULD BE COMPATIBLE, I THINK WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROXIMITY TO THE CR DISTRICT LENDS, UH, SUPPORT TO HAVING THIS USE THERE BECAUSE, OR RATHER THE ZONING DISTRICT THERE, UH, BECAUSE IT DOES SORT OF PROMOTE WALKABILITY AND TRANSITIONS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO A COMMERCIAL AREA THAT IS DIRECTLY NORTH TO IT.
FINALLY, IT IS WITHIN, UH, I BELIEVE A HALF MILE OF PROXIMITY, ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT CLOSER TO A DARK LIGHT RAIL STATION.
AND ONE OF THE, UH, INITIATIVES I BELIEVE IN OUR COMP PLAN IS FOR ALLOWING SOME MORE OF THIS SORT OF MISSING MIDDLE OR, UH, SLIGHTLY MORE DENSE HOUSING WITHIN PROXIMITY TO THE DART WHITE RAIL.
AND ONE FOLLOW UP IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL, UM, SHARED WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, ON I GUESS A CONCEPT ELEVATION THAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THIS SITE THAT WOULDN'T BE BINDING IF THIS WOULD BE APPROVED.
GENERAL ZONING CHANGES, ALL THAT THEY ACCOMPLISH IS THE CHANGE OF THE ZONING OF THE BASE DISTRICT.
IT DOES NOT BIND US TO ANY SORT OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ANY SORT OF SITE PLAN, ANY SORT OF RENDERING.
UH, IN SPEAKING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE, HE'S MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THEIR ARCHITECTS MIGHT CONSIDER, AND HE DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED AS WELL TO SHARE IT THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, BUT WHATEVER IS ACTION IS TAKEN ON A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE DOES NOT CREATE ANY SORT OF BINDING REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF LAYOUT OR APPEARANCE.
AND WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT SIDE, AND I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT THIS AS WELL, UM, IN THE CONSIDERATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD FURTHER ENSURE COMPATIBILITY,
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UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS WERE NOT BROUGHT UP? NO.I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES.
TRY TO BE LEGIBLE HERE OR AUDIBLE.
UM, THIS CASE, UM, IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF, UH, OF SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES IN COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN WHEN IT CAME TO THE GENERAL QUESTION OF ADDING DENSITY TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE, UM, I'LL ASK THIS A QUESTION.
WHAT ACTUALLY EXISTS HERE IN A STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGE TO TH THREE TO, UM, GIVE SOME CONTEXT SENSITIVITY? 'CAUSE ALL I SEE IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK WITH TH THREE, YOU'VE GOT 36 FEET, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A DUPLEX AND THEY'VE SENT US A PICTURE OF A DUPLEX, UM, IT COULD EASILY BE A 36 FOOT TALL FLAT ROOF SINGLE TOWN HOME.
AND WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE ADDITION OF THAT SORT OF STRUCTURE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE CONTEXT OF THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD RUN? I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD STILL BE SENSITIVE TO THE CONTEXT OVERALL.
IT WOULD BE CERTAINLY A DEVIATION FROM THE EXISTING LAYOUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, BUT ULTIMATELY A SIX FOOT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, UH, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE THAT MUCH OF A BIG IMPOSITION ON THE REST OF THE SURROUNDING HOUSES.
WELL, THE, THE CONCERN THAT HAS COME UP IN, UM, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SAY, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS AND ALL, WHEN YOU HAVE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, IS THAT, UM, JUST AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT OR ASK IT AS A QUESTION, DO YOU NOT SEE THAT THE UM, ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ENABLES A TYPE OF STRUCTURE AND A TYPE OF ROOF THAT IS NOT FOUND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT ALLOWS A MUCH TALLER STRUCTURE WITH A FLAT ROOF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A BLOCKIER STRUCTURE AND IS NOT CONTEXT SENSITIVE IN THAT WAY AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF, UH, ROOFS THAT ARE PREVALENT AT THE MOMENT.
IT WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD BE A DEVIATION FROM THAT, YES.
I JUST WANTED TO, AND THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION.
WHAT CAN BE A LOT, WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED BY R RIGHT NOW IS A FLAT ROOF STRUCTURE THAT WOULD MAXIMIZE AN R FIVE, UH, STANDARDS TOO.
SO THE ROOF IS NOT CODIFIED ANYWHERE IN THE CODE TO OUR, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY, NOT NECESSARILY SATISFACTION.
IT'S JUST THAT THE, THE CODE RIGHT NOW DOESN'T ALLOW ANY TYPE OF LIKE CONTACT SENSITIVITY.
A FLAT ROOF, BIG BOX HOUSE GRANTED, YES, BUT THIS COULD BE A TALLER BIG BATH.
SO YEAH, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR CAN HAVE A 30 FOOT, UH, BOX.
THIS NEIGHBOR CAN HAVE A 36 FOOT BOX.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BLAIR HAD A QUESTION.
UM, MR. BAIT, BECAUSE THIS IS A GENERAL ZONING CASE AND IT'S A TH THREE THAT'S THE MOST, ISN'T THAT THE MOST DENSE TOWNHOUSE ZONING POSSIBLE? IT IS THE DENSEST ZONING, UH, POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF WHAT, UH, IS ALLOWED IN THE BASE OF 12, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT COULD ACTUALLY BE BUILT ON THERE, UH, YOU'RE ULTIMATELY, I THINK, RESTRICTED BY THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, AND SO THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO AT MOST BUILD A DUPLEX.
SO CAN I ASK WHY NOT JUST ZONE IT TO DUPLEX INSTEAD OF TH THREE? CERTAINLY I DID LOOK AT THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT ACTUALLY WHEN I FIRST REVIEWED THE CASE.
UH, THE BIGGEST REASON TO NOT PUT IN A DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT IS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CHANGE THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT FOR THAT BLOCK FACE.
THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT HAS A 25 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
AND SO IN THE FUTURE FOR DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THAT BLOCK FACE, EVEN IF YOU WERE TO REDEVELOP WITH A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A LOT, IT WOULD NEED TO PUSH IT BACK 25 FEET.
SO BASICALLY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR TH THREE IS JUST FOR BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY AND SETBACKS FROM A, FROM WHAT IS ALREADY ON ON THE GROUND? CORRECT.
THEN LET ME CHANGE THE, THE TOPIC TO, TO ACCESS AND PARKING IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW ARE THE REST OF THE LOTS PARKED? UH, IT APPEARS THAT MOST OF THE LOTS THERE AND WE CAN PULL UP SOME OF THE PHOTOS TEND TO HAVE FRONT PARKING.
UM, WE SEE HERE, FOR INSTANCE, A DRIVEWAY ON THIS HOUSE NEARBY, ANOTHER FRONT DRIVEWAY THERE.
UH, IN THIS CASE THE DUPLEX USE DOES REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPOTS PER, UH, DWELLING UNIT.
SO YOU'D HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR PARKING SPOTS.
UH, THEY COULD BE DEVELOPED, EITHER, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FRONT OR THE BACK, UH, WITH THE FRONT.
THEY DO NEED TO ABIDE BY THAT FRONT YARD SETBACK
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REQUIREMENT.UM, IF THEY WERE TO DEVELOP IN THE BACK, THERE IS AN ALLEYWAY IN THE BACK.
IT IS UNIMPROVED, UH, FROM WHAT I SAW AND FROM THE AERIAL MAPS.
AND SO ENGINEERING STANDARDS WOULD REQUIRE IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED ALLEYWAY ACCESS, THEY WOULD NEED TO ALSO IMPROVE THE ALLEYWAY AT LEAST UP TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE NEAREST ADJACENT PUBLIC ROAD.
SO IF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPER WANTED OR DEVELOPMENT WANTED TO ACCESS REAR PARKING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CON WELL THEY'D HAVE TO IMPROVE THE WHOLE ENTIRE ALLEYWAY IN ORDER TO USE THE AC IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE A BACK PARKING, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY WOULD NEED TO IMPROVE IT FROM THE NEAREST PUBLIC ROAD TO THEIR, UH, ALLEYWAY FRONTAGE.
SO IT WOULD GO, I THINK IN THIS CASE PROBABLY FROM SOUTH DELEY TO AT LEAST THE EDGE OF THEIR LOT.
WELL CONCEIVABLE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ECONOMICALLY CONCEIVABLE, BUT SO IF YOU, THE, THE DEPTH OR SAY THE WIDTH OF THIS PARTICULAR R FIVE, WOULD IT ALLOW PARKING BASED ON TODAY'S REQUIREMENTS ON, UM, THE STREET IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ON, UH, PARKING ON THE, YOU KNOW, NO DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT.
IF THEY COULD, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING IF THEY COULD USE JUST ON STREET PARKING AND NOT PROVIDE OFF STREET? CORRECT.
SO IF THEY WERE USING ALL OFF ON STREET PARKING AND NO PAR OFF STREET PARKING, COULD THEY HA COULD THEY HANDLE OR COULD THEY, THEY, UM, ADHERE TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING TODAY? OKAY, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
IT, THEY, THEY WOULD NOT BE ADHERING TO THE REQUIREMENTS IF THEY HAD ONLY OFF ON STREETE PARKING.
THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE OFF-STREET PARKING.
UM, SO AS IT IS TODAY, IT'S IF YOU JUST PLOP DOWN A HOUSE THERE BUT NO PARKING, IT WOULD NOT BE FOLLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO BASED ON THAT, IN THE FACT THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, BASED ON THE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT THEY SENT, ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T USE IT, BUT BASED ON THE ELEVATIONS THAT, THAT, THAT WAS SENT IN TO US TO REVIEW AS TO WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, THAT ELEVATION WOULD NOT MEET CODE, CORRECT? UH, I CAN'T COMMENT ON THE ELEVATION THAT WAS SENT.
WAS IT THE, THE 3D RENDERING? IT, IT WAS A DUPLEX NO, NO, NO, NO ACCESS, NO, NO.
O OFF STREET PARKING, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
UH, JUST BASED ON THE ONE RENDERING THAT I SAW, I COULDN'T MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT.
IT DOESN'T CONTAIN ANY SORT OF DIMENSIONAL OF HOW THE OVERALL SITE WOULD BE.
UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, CONSIDER THAT A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY MIGHT LAY IT ALL OUT DIMENSIONALLY.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? UM, MR. BATE, I'LL JUST CONCLUDE WITH A QUESTION THAT REQUIRES NO ANSWER.
THIS RHETORICAL, WOULDN'T IT BE INTERESTING IF WE AMENDED OUR DUPLEX CODE TO HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS AND HEIGHT AS SINGLE FAMILY? IT WOULD BE QUITE INTERESTING.
WOULDN'T THAT BE INTERESTING? UM, ITEM ITEM 15, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
UH, ANY ADDITIONAL BRIEFING ON THAT CASE? OKAY, UH, WE'RE HOLDING NUMBER 16, UM, TILL 3 21.
ANY ADDITIONAL BRIEFING ON IT? YES.
ADDITIONAL BRIEFING ON NUMBER 17.
UM, IS THAT MS. BRIDGES? UH, THIS IS CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 42.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND R 16 A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF LBJ FREEWAY BETWEEN PRESTON ROAD AND COPEN HILL ROAD.
THIS IS IT ON THE LOCATION MAP OUTLINED IN BLUE IS THE AREA OF REQUEST.
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THIS IS THE ZONING MAP TO THE NORTH.YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE UNDEVELOPED IN A HOTEL AND TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND A DEPRESSED FREEWAY.
THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED R 16 A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE.
THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 2002 AND IS 5,632 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE LOT ONLY HAS FRONTAGE ON LBJ FREEWAY AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO USE THIS STRUCTURE, UM, FOR AN OFFICE.
AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST A MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BE PHOTOS OF THE AREAS OF REQUEST.
THIS IS SURROUNDING USE, WHICH IS THE FREEWAY, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE AREA OF REQUEST.
RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT IS A RES IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALSO THEY HAVE RETAIL AND HOTEL USES AND THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER HALL, WHAT, WHAT IS THE HOUSE CURRENTLY USED FOR? IS IT A RESIDENCE? AS OF WHAT I'VE HEARD, IT'S A RESIDENCE, BUT THEY DO NOT CON PLAN TO CONTINUE USING IT AS A RESIDENCE.
THEY DON'T PLAN TO CONTINUE? NO.
WHAT ARE THEIR PLANS, DO YOU KNOW? UM, LAST I TALKED TO THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE WANTING TO USE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE AS AN OFFICE.
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, YOU'LL SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF WHITE TRUCKS OUT THERE AND IT SAYS MAYBE THIS IS A YEAR OLDER SO THAT, THAT BELONGS TO A, UH, TORQUE GAUZE EXPRESS, WHICH I THINK IS SORT OF A HOT, WHAT WE CALL A HOT SHOT SERVICE.
IT'S FULL, IT'S GOT A LOT OF WHITE TRUCKS AND VEHICLES OUT FRONT.
UH, SO LOOK, AND YOU CAN GO TO THAT WEBSITE AND IT GIVES THAT ADDRESS.
SO I'M WONDER, I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS REALLY A, IS THERE A BUSINESS GOING ON HERE? I MEAN, IT'S NOT ZONED FOR, IT'S NOT ZONED FOR BUSINESS.
WELL THAT ISN'T A QUESTION THAT I CAN 100% ANSWER BECAUSE I LOOKED IN POSSE AND I DID NOT SEE ANY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES IN IT FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
ALSO, WHEN I DID MY SITE VISIT, I ONLY SAW ONE VEHICLE AND THAT WAS THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER'S VEHICLE.
SO I THINK THAT QUESTION CAN BE BEST ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE HOMES TO THE EAST ARE ALL USED FOR BUSINESSES AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT ZONED FOR THAT.
THERE ISN'T A WAY THAT I CAN VERIFY THAT, BUT ALRIGHT, THANKS.
IF I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL ASK LATER.
HI MS. BRIDGES, HOW ARE YOU? I'M FINE, HOW ARE YOU? SO, UM, MY APOLOGIES.
UM, DID YOU SAY THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT A PORTION OF IT WILL BE USED FOR AN OFFICE AND YOUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT? LAST? I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AND I SPOKE WITH THE, UH, WELL THE REPRESENTATIVE, I SPOKE WITH HER UH, ONE DAY LAST WEEK.
THEY'RE GONNA USE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE NOW AS AN OFFICE.
SO I SPOKE WITH HER AFTER THIS STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN.
WHEN YOU, WHEN IT WAS PORTION, DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH HER ABOUT POTENTIALLY THE ACCESSORY USE FOR HOME OCCUPATION FOR BUSINESSES? WELL, YES, WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THAT.
AND SHE ALSO SPOKE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE HER, THE INTENT HAS CHANGED, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY THE ACCESSORY USE WASN'T AN OPTION.
DID YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH HER ABOUT PUTTING SOME RESTRICTIONS AROUND MU WHICH IS RIGHT NOW JUST A VERY BROAD ZONING CATEGORY NOW? I DID NOT SPEAK WITH HER ABOUT RESTRICTIONS, NO.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, UM, THE, IN YOUR PICTURES THERE IS A HOUSE DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S PART OF.
CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY ZONE FOR THAT HOUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY WOULD WORK? WELL IF THEY DO HAVE TO MEET THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, WHICH MEANS IT CAN'T BE NO TALLER THAN 26 FEET.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THIS, JUST BROAD MU ONE, IT'S JUST THE BASE ZONING CATEGORY THAT SOMEONE COULD DESTROY THE STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE AND BUILD A STRUCTURE UP TO 26 FEET, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A HOUSE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR,
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THEY COULD IF THE ZONING IS CHANGED.UM, COULD YOU PUT BACK UP THE PICTURE THAT SHOWED, SHOWED, JUST TO JUMP IN ON THAT, UH, QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY? UM, YEAH.
SO RPS WOULD APPLY AS GIANNA SAID, UM, AND IF THE PROPERTY WERE REZONED TO COMMERCIAL, UM, AND MU ONE, THE REAR SETBACK, UH, ALONG THIS LOT ADJACENT TO THE LOT TO THE NORTH, UH, WOULD BE 20 FEET.
SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE STRUCTURES WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, ALSO THE EASTERN SIDE SETBACK ADJACENT TO THE OTHER LOT THAT FACES ONTO THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
UM, A 20 FOOT SETBACK WOULD NOW BE TRIGGERED THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, IF THE PROPERTY WERE REZONED, WOULD BE, UH, NON-CONFORMING.
UM, BUT IF IT WERE EVER TO BE, UH, DEMOLISHED AND NEW STRUCTURES WERE TO BE BUILT ON THE LOT, UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO ADHERE TO THE 20 FOOT, UH, SIDE SETBACK WITH THAT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
UH, AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO SOME RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REQUIREMENTS, UH, FROM ARTICLE 10, SO FOR A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE.
BUT ISN'T IT CORRECT THAT THE HOUSE TO THE EAST, THERE'S A SEPARATION OF A STREET, SO THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SETBACK? WELL, THERE'S A LOT IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, UM, AND THEN YOU GET TO THE INTERSECTION OF LBJ AND THE RESIDENTIAL STREET.
SO YEAH, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T GO BEYOND THERE.
UM, BUT THE OTHER LOT ALONG THIS BLOCK FACE THAT FRONTS ONTO LBJ, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONE RESIDENTIAL, SO IT WOULD TRIGGER THAT ADJACENCY REQUIREMENT.
SO JUST TO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID, SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THIS ZONING CHANGE IS APPROVED, THEN THE STRUCTURE THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THIS SITE IS NON-CONFORMING? RIGHT.
SO IT COULD, IT COULD CONTINUE TO BE USED IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION.
UM, AND I, I CAN'T QUOTE OUR NON-CONFORMING LANGUAGE FROM OUR CODE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT ESSENTIALLY IF THAT STRUCTURE WERE TO BE DEMOLISHED AT SOME POINT, ANY NEW STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY COULD NOT BE WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE OR THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
SO MS. BRIDGES, COULD YOU PUT UP THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST PLEASE? WEST, SORRY.
THIS IS REALLY FAINT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE YOU CAN SEE THE EASEMENT LINE IN THIS ONE.
IS THAT CORRECT? ACTUALLY PUT UP THE OTHER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PUT UP THE ONE THAT'S THE, THAT SHOWS GRASS.
SO LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST, THERE APPEARS TO BE A GREEN STRIP AND THEN THERE'S A, UH, DRIVEWAY AND THEN A LARGER GREEN AREA.
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT GREEN STRIP THAT IS DIRECTLY TO THE, THE WEST AND WHAT, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED SINCE THE LAST BRIEFING? YES, THAT IS AN EASEMENT, UM, THAT WAS DEDICATED IN THE SIXTIES AND THEN, UM, IN THE EIGHTIES IT WAS AMENDED, UM, THE NORTHERN 325 FEET OF IT.
CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE THE PURPOSE OF THE EASEMENT? WELL, THE EASEMENT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING WAS A BUFFER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED AS A BUFFER BETWEEN WHAT? BETWEEN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A, I THINK A DEED RESTRICTION IS THE LEGAL TERM, BUT DANIEL CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I'M CALLING IT AN EASEMENT, BUT DEED RESTRICTION THAT WAS PUT INTO THE RECORDS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY TO NOT LET DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN ON THIS LAND.
IS THAT CORRECT? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.
AND THE 325 THAT WAS ALTERED, UM, IN MORE RECENTLY IN THE EIGHTIES, DID THAT HAVE TO DO WITH SOME KIND OF TREES AND SOME LANDSCAPING? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.
SO SINCE THE SIXTIES WHEN THE CORNER WAS DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL, UM, IT HAS REMAINED A BUFFER BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE TO THE WEST AND THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE TO THE EAST.
AND IF THIS ZONING CHANGE GOES THROUGH, IT WILL ESSENTIALLY UPEND THAT HISTORICAL ARRANGEMENT? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT I'LL DEFER THAT, UH, TO RYAN.
YEAH, SO, UH, TO SAY THAT IT WOULD AMEND THE ZONING ARRANGEMENT IS I SAID UPEND.
OH, WELL THAT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA
UM, LET ME ASK MY QUESTION DIFFERENTLY THEN.
SO IF WE PERMIT THIS ZONING CHANGE TO GO THROUGH, IT WOULD PERMIT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO BE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE BUFFER THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY INTENDED TO SEPARATE COMMERCIAL FROM RESIDENTIAL?
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YES.COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOU HAD A QUESTION? JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I THINK I HEARD IT SAID THAT, UM, THE HEIGHT WAS LIMITED TO 26 FEET.
IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT WITH RPS, IT'S THE HEIGHT ABOVE 26 FEET IS SUBJECT TO RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE? YES, MA'AM.
JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HALL WOULD MIXED USE ONE ALLOW YOU TO BUILD ABOVE 26 FEET? I UNDERSTAND THE RRP S THING, BUT IN GENERAL, WOULD MIXED MIXED USE ALLOW YOU TO BUILD ABOVE 26 FEET? YES.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE BEHIND THERE BROUGHT THAT, THAT ISSUE UP IN THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS.
I'M SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HOLD NUMBER 18.
DO WE NEED ANY BRIEFING ON THAT TODAY? NO, THEY'RE NOT EVEN READY.
NOT EVEN READY FOR A BRIEFING.
IT'S BEEN HELD ON ADVISE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT READY.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, RATHER THAN PRESUME ANYMORE ON YOUR LUNCH, UH, WHY DON'T WE BREAK? UH, WE CAN, WE CAN BRIEF NUMBER 19 WHEN WE RETURN FROM LUNCH.
UH, LET'S TRY TO BE BACK HERE AT 1240.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA START WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
IT'S 12:48 PM THIS IS THE, UM, UH, DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION HEARING FOR FEBRUARY THE 15TH.
UH, WELCOME TO ALL WHO HAVE JOINED US.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, I WOULD, UH, ASK YOU AS YOU, UH, IF YOU PLAN TO MAKE REMARKS TODAY TO PLEASE COME DOWN AND PICK UP A YELLOW CARD OFF THE TABLE HERE AT THE FRONT OF THE ROOM AND, UH, RECORD YOUR, YOUR ATTENDANCE.
UH, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, DIVE INTO THE, UM, INTO THE AGENDA HERE.
AND, UH, WE HAD ONE ITEM REMAINING TO BE BRIEFED, UM, FROM THIS MORNING.
BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IF WE COULD JUST BRIEF THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT LATER ON THIS AFTERNOON.
SO WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH, UM, UH, THE MINOR AMENDMENTS ON THE, THE CONSENT DOCKET.
THIS WOULD BE, UM, M 2 23, 27, M 2, 23 28.
UM, WE HAVE STAFF HERE TO READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA READ FOUR AND FIVE INTO THE RECORD.
UH, THE CONSENT, THE, THE MISCELLANEOUS CONSENT ITEMS NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE.
UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS M 2 23 DASH 0 2 7 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 95 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COT ROAD AND FRANKFURT ROAD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AND ITEM NUMBER FIVE M 2 23 DASH 28 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING SITE.
PLAN FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 3 5 7 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BRUTON ROAD AND MCCUTCHEN LANE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THESE TWO CASES TOGETHER IN ONE VOTE.
HOWEVER, IS IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON EITHER OF THOSE ITEMS AS
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BEING NUMBER FOUR OR NUMBER FIVE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER FOUR OR NUMBER FIVE? I HAD ONE FOLLOW MR. COMMISSIONER HATCH.
ON M 2 2 3 0 2 8, WERE YOU ABLE TO, UM, RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS FROM THE BRIEFING? YEAH, SO FOR THE FIRST ONE WAS OVER THE SCREENING, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT WHENEVER THEY GET TO PERMITTING, THEY WILL DIRECT THAT ONE.
SO DON'T WORRY THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
FOR THE SECOND ONE BEING THEY ARE NOT IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATIONS.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? SCENE NONE.
UH, COMMISSIONER HAWK, DO YOU HAVE A, A MOTION FOR US IN THESE TWO CASES PLEASE? I DO.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT DOCKET AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK FOR YOUR MOTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX.
ITEM NUMBER SIX IS M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3.
AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 66 ON THE WEST LINE OF LA PRADA DRIVE SOUTH OF BLYTHE DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO THREE SEVEN CPC.
IS ANYONE HERE? IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON, UH, LIKE TO SPEAK TO US ON NUMBER SIX? OKAY.
SEEING ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS.
UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF M 2 23 33? I MOVE TO, TO HOLD, HOLD THIS, KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HUH? KEEP THIS CURRENT, KEEP THE HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS CASE UP UNDER ADVISE UNTIL MARCH 7TH, 2024.
I DO THANK COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND IN ITEM NUMBER SIX M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 21 NORTH ZONE SUBDISTRICT B ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY AND MARYFIELD ROAD STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? YES, YOU CAN.
UH, WE NEED YOU TO TURN ON THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.
AND THEN, UH, TELL US YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
ROGER SOTELLO REPRESENTING IC ICONN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, 1424 AUTUMN CREST DRIVE IN ARLINGTON, TEXAS.
DID YOU HAVE A, UH, ANY STATEMENT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS HERE IN SUPPORT? AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, MR. DARRELL HALBERT HAD SOME OR HERBERT, I'M SORRY, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS OR SOME COMMENTS THIS MORNING.
SO I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ANY THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF CAN DO THAT.
UH, WELL, LET'S QUESTION NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
NO, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UM, TO THE PEOPLE OUR POWER AS IN, IN IMPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'LL JUMP IN AND DO THAT.
DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE MINISTERIAL, WHICH MEANS THAT IF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMPLIES WITH THE TEXT OF THE T PD, CPC HAS NO DISCRETION, MUST APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THIS COMES FROM CHAPTER 51 A AND THERE ARE VARIOUS, UM, COURT OF APPEALS CASES DESCRIBING APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENT PLANS AS MINISTERIAL.
UM, IN THIS PD, THIS THERE'S A SUP
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FOR, UM, BUILD OUTS KIND OF LIKE THESE FOR 80 ROOMS OR LESS.IN THIS CASE THEY'RE ABOVE 80 ROOMS, SO THEY WILL NOT NEED AN SUP, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHICH MEANS THEY WON'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS OTHER, UH, DETAILS OF THIS CASE, CORRECT? THIS IS ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? YEAH.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
I MOVE TO, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR A SECOND.
SHOULD I READ THE CASE NUMBER? UM, IN THE CASE NUMBER OF D 3 4 0 0 1 SASI MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
OKAY, UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT M 2 3 4 0 0 3.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS M 2 3 4 DASH 0 0 3.
AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTIES ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 10 53, GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SKILLMAN STREET AND EAST LOVER'S LANE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
DO WE HAVE, UH, ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON.
I RESIDE AT 53 35 RIDGELAND DRIVE IN DALLAS.
I LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PLAYGROUND AT THIS CHURCH.
IT'S BEEN MY HOME SINCE 1968 AND I'VE ENJOYED THE CHILDREN THERE ALL THOSE YEARS.
I URGE YOU TO TAKE ACTION TODAY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
THE COMPLAINTS HAVE TO DO WITH NOISE AND I CONSIDER THE CHILDREN'S PLAN TO BE JOYFUL.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR CODE COMPLIANCE.
IF THERE ARE CODE ISSUES, LET THEM TAKE CARE OF IT.
THAT'S NOT YOUR ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY, IN MY OPINION.
OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
WE LOVE ZION FOR MANY, MANY REASONS.
WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS BASKETBALL COURT BEING COMPLETED.
OUTDOOR RESOURCE TIME IS ESSENTIAL FOR CHILDREN'S GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN, OF GETTING THEM OUT OF THE PARKING LOT.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
I LIVE AT 95 41 WINDY HILL ROAD IN DALLAS.
I'M A GRANDPARENT OF THREE KIDS AT ZION.
MOVING THE COURT OUT OF THE PARKING LOT IS SIMPLY SAFER AND THAT OUGHT TO BE IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE.
DALLAS HAS HUNDREDS OF ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS, AND MOST ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THE SCHOOLS ARE MUCH BIGGER WITH MANY MORE KIDS THAN ZION.
ZION KIDS DON'T MAKE MORE NOISE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
THESE ARE CITY NOISES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THERE ARE BASKETBALL GOALS AND DRIVEWAYS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HOUSES.
THERE'S BASKETBALL GOALS IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES IF THEY'RE LUCKY.
UM, AND THEY'RE MUCH CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTS THAN OUR, THAN ZION IS TO THE RESIDENTS AROUND, UH, AROUND US, INCLUDING MR. SARNO, UM, UNDER THE RULES THAT WE'RE CALLED UPON TO FOLLOW THE AMENDMENT SHOULD BE APPROVED.
USAGE OF A SPORT COURT IS NOT OF A DIFFERENT CHARACTER.
IT'S STILL CHILDREN PLAYING, WHETHER IT'S TAG CHASE, FLAG FOOTBALL OR THE LIKE THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR DECADES IN THE SAME AREA, RIGHT? THE SAME AREA WHERE THAT SPORT COURT IS.
IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHY THE CITY STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
AND I URGE YOU TO PLEASE NOT MAKE A NEW RULE THAT THE NOISE MADE BY SCHOOL CHILDREN PLAYING IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE.
A RULE LIKE THAT CANNOT APPLY TO JUST DALLAS.
I MEAN, JUST TO, TO JUST TO TO ZION.
IT'D HAVE TO APPLY TO EVERYBODY, TO ALL SCHOOLS.
THE CITY SHOULD NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST DALLAS.
PLEASE FOLLOW THE RULES AND I ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW THOSE RULES AND APPROVE THE EXISTING APPLICATION.
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SHANNON MCCRACKEN.UM, I HAVE ONE STUDENT IN FIRST GRADE.
I HAVE ANOTHER STARTING IN THE FALL.
AND, UH, THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 70 YEARS.
THERE'S A SOCCER FIELD, A GARDEN, A PLAYGROUND, LOTS OF ACTIVITIES, CARNIVALS, ALL OF THAT THAT HAPPEN IN THIS PLACE.
AND THE SPORT COURT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GREAT FOR THE CHILDREN AS SOON AS WE START MAKING CHILDREN INTO, UM, SENSE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FUTURE GENERATION OF DALLAS, RIGHT? AND SO WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO PLAY SPORTS EVERY DAY.
WHEN I PICK UP MY DAUGHTER, I DRIVE THROUGH AND I HAVE TO PAUSE SO THAT CHILDREN WON'T CAN MOVE TO THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT SAFE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY MORE NOISE ON THE SPORT COURT AS THEY ARE THE FIELD ADJACENT TO IT OR EVEN THE PLAYGROUND THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
SO PLEASE, I URGE YOU TO, UM, LET OUR KIDS PLAY.
MY NAME IS ALLISON O'HALLORAN.
WE HAVE TWO CHILDREN IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ALSO.
I LIVE IN DALLAS AT 69 34 ALEXANDER DRIVE.
WE OWN A BUSINESS IN DALLAS AND WE PAY PROPERTY TAXES IN DALLAS.
I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE HERE REGARDING THIS CASE.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS AGAINST THIS CASE AND AGAINST US HAVING OUR SPORT COURT.
I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY HE PURCHASED A HOME THAT BACKED UP TO A SCHOOL IN 2001.
UM, ZION LUTHERAN HAS BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 1879.
WE'VE BEEN RUNNING A SCHOOL SINCE 1899.
WE'VE BEEN AT OUR CURRENT LOCATION SINCE THE 1950S.
UM, THE TEXAS REAL ESTATE COMMISSION, PROMULGATED SALES CONTRACT IS INCREDIBLY GENEROUS TO BUYERS IN REAL ESTATE IN THIS STATE.
AND THERE ARE DOZENS OF WAYS OF GETTING OUTTA THIS CONTRACT.
THE MOST OBVIOUS BEING THE UNRESTRICTED RIGHT TO TERMINATE IN YOUR OPTION PERIOD.
AND HE DIDN'T DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE HERE.
HE SHOULD HAVE REALIZED HE WAS BUYING A HOUSE NEXT TO A SCHOOL.
MY SECOND QUESTION IS TO THE COMMISSION HERE.
I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE SPENT HOURS OF YOUR TIME AND MY TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS PANDERING TO ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DIDN'T DO HIS HOMEWORK HERE.
I THINK COULD WE CONFINE YOUR REMARKS TO THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE CASE? OKAY, BUT MY THIRD QUESTION HERE THEN IS, UM, AS A MOM, SKILLMAN AND LOVERS IS A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION.
UM, THERE'S LOTS OF SIRENS, CAR CRASHES, DRAG RACING.
I LIVED RIGHT NEXT TO IT FOR A LONG, FOR A WHILE BEFORE WE BOUGHT OUR CURRENT HOUSE.
KIDS PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND IS THE LEAST, UM, ANNOYING PART OF THE NOISE.
AND I, I'VE WITNESSED TRAFFIC CUTTING THROUGH OUR PARKING LOT TO AVOID THE CONGESTION.
AND I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR PARENTS, 282 KIDS HERE.
WHY DO OUR KIDS HAVE TO PLAY IN HARM'S WAY BECAUSE OF ONE NEIGHBOR? I I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT IN TODAY'S DAY AND AGE, I FIND IT REALLY DISTURBING THAT, THAT THE DESIRES OF ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DIDN'T DO HIS HOMEWORK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE SAFETY OF OUR KIDS.
UM, EVERY SCHOOL IN EAST DALLAS HAS THESE FACILITIES, PLAYS, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND SPORTS COURTS.
AND I JUST, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS HIS INDIVIDUALS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR KIDS' SAFETY.
UM, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN AT ZION, BUT I ALSO LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AT 6 1 1 2 EAST LOVERS LANE.
JUST GONNA SPEAK IN FULL VOICE SUPPORT OF THE SPORTS COURTS AND THE SCHOOL IN GENERAL.
I THINK IT'S A REAL VALUABLE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL HALLOW, 1 8 7 RULING COURT, LANCASTER, TEXAS 7 5 1 4 6.
UH, I'M AN ATTORNEY WHO HAS PRACTICED MUNICIPAL LAW FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ZION BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE TODAY.
UH, SOME THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND I WON'T BORE YOU GOING INTO THEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE A LEGISLATIVE BODY.
YOU DON'T ENFORCE THE LAWS AS JU AS A JUDICIARY.
THAT'S FOR YOUR MUNICIPAL COURT.
UH, A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THOUGH IS MY CLIENT HAS OFFERED TO QUOTE, UH, WE WILL AT OUR COST, PROVIDE AND INSTALL A SOUNDPROOFING, ACOUSTICAL, DAMPENING MATERIAL THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF YOUR FENCE ALONG THE ALLEY UP TO THE HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET.
THAT'S THE OFFER THEY'VE MADE.
ANY EMAIL THAT, WELL, THAT'S NOT GONNA DO ME ANY GOOD BECAUSE MY FENCE IS ONLY FOUR FEET TALL.
WHICH KIND OF BEGS THE QUESTION, IF YOU'RE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE, WHY ARE YOU THE ONLY PROPERTY OWNER
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THERE THAT HAS A FOUR? I'M SORRY, CHAIR.WE WE'RE NOT SPEAKING ABOUT THE OPPOSITION.
WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE CASE.
SO, UM, THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR IS THAT NEEDS IN VOTING FOR AND LISTENING TO THAT, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY IS THIS THE PERSON? EVERYBODY HAS AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE.
OKAY? IS THAT CHAIR? I THINK WE'RE, THANK YOU.
SO ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO, I'M GLAD YOUR ATTORNEY'S HERE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA FORCE MY CLIENT TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE MINOR AMENDMENT DOESN'T REQUIRE, THAT'S POTENTIALLY AN ILLEGAL EXACTION.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A CONNECTION AND ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE ACTION THAT'S GOING ON THE PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T ALTER THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP IS SCHOOL, NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL.
THAT'S THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP.
THEY'RE DOING THE SAME ACTIVITIES NOW.
MAYBE BASKETBALL THAT THEY WERE DOING BEFORE, ALL SCHOOL RELATED ACTIVITIES, THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT AFTER THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT BEFORE THEY'RE JUST DOING IT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY.
SO I, I'M GLAD YOUR ATTORNEY IS HERE.
YOU MAY EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY, WELL, WHAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY ASKING THIS MY CLIENT TO DO IS BENEFIT A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL.
THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HERE TO BENEFIT A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL.
I THINK YOUR ATTORNEY ADVISED THAT.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE.
YOU, YOU HAVE AN EASY WAY TO VOTE FOR IT.
THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE COOPER CASE THAT Y'ALL DECIDED ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2022, THE APPLICANT CAME FORWARD WITH THE OFFER OF A SOUND FENCE.
THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL IMPOSED ON THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT DID THAT, HIM OR HERSELF.
YOU'VE GOT A WAY THAT'S PRECEDENT.
YOU CAN ACCEPT THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WE ACCEPTED THE SOUND FENCE BACK ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2022.
WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING HERE 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTEERED THAT.
SO I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER NOT BENEFITING A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL AND I WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL OF AN ILLEGAL EXACTION.
HELLO, I'M JEFF THORMAN, THE PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL.
UM, I THINK I SPOKE TO YOU GUYS BEFORE.
JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT, UH, THIS PORT COURT WAS PUT IN AND SET UP BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE KIDS OUT THE PARKING LOT, PURE AND SIMPLE.
WE WANNA KEEP 'EM OUT OF, UH, ISSUES.
UH, WE DO HAVE CARS THAT COME THROUGH OUR PARKING LOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMETHING GETS STACKED UP AT
AND SO CARS COME THROUGH OUR PARKING LOT TO TRY AND BYPASS THAT.
UH, THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE ANY ISSUES THAT WE POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE, UH, AND ALLOWING THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PLAY IN, IN THE WAY THAT THEY, THEY DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I FIND JOY IN HEARING KIDS SCREAM AND HAVE FUN AND PLAY AND, UM, RUN AROUND IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT'S PART OF OUR WORLD AND THEY'RE ONE DAY GONNA BE SITTING IN YOUR SEAT.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? SPEAKERS OPPOSED COMMISSIONERS.
MY ADDRESS IS 61 14 TOWN HILL LANE.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE MI THIS MINOR AMENDMENT IS NOT MINOR AT ALL AND ALSO THAT IT WILL ALTER THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT'S GAIN COURT IS A MAJOR CHANGE.
IT IS A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT NONPERMEABLE SURFACE THAT BECAUSE OF ITS LARGE SIZE REQUIRED, REQUIRED AN ENGINEERING STUDY AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WERE NOT AGAINST THE SPORT COURT, WE'RE JUST AGAINST ITS PLACEMENT SO CLOSE TO, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT PROXIMITY TO ITS NEIGHBORS, THE COURT CANNOT BE USED AS INTENDED WITHOUT VIOLATING THE CITY'S AND THE DEVELOPMENT CODES, NOISE REGULATIONS.
THE NEARBY PLAYGROUND AREA USED BY THE APPLICANT'S YOUNGEST STUDENTS IS ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF THE CO CODES NOISE REGULATIONS.
NOW THE APPLICANT WANTS TO ADD THIS GAME COURT AREA WHERE HIGH INTENSITY USE BY ITS OLDER STUDENTS WILL MORE THAN DOUBLE THE FREQUENCY AND INTENSITY OF THE NOISE IN OUR HOME DURING THE WORKDAY.
THESE OFFENSIVE NOISE LEVELS INFRINGE ON OUR RIGHT TO QUIETLY ENJOY OUR HOME.
WE LEARNED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS NO PLANS TO PRECLUDE THIS COURT FROM BEING USED FOR PICKLEBALL LIMIT ITS HOURS OF USE OR ITS USE OR ITS USE TO ITS
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STUDENTS.ZION IS CURRENTLY NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
CURRENT RULES IN THE CODE STIPULATE THAT YOU DENY NEW DEVELOPMENT TO AN APPLICANT THAT IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
THE APPLICANT STARTED THIS PROJECT WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING A PERMIT AND THAT IS A VIOLATION OF THE CITY'S ORDINANCES.
I HAD HOPED THAT WE COULD COME TO SOME TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND, BUT THE APPLICANT EMPLOYED DELAY TACTICS AND NEVER OFFERED ANY REAL SOLUTIONS.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSED PROVIDING US WITH ACOUSTIC PANELS FOR INSTALLATION ON OUR FOREFOOT HIGH FENCE.
THESE MEASURES WILL NOT INFLUENCE THE NOISE LEVELS ANYWHERE ON OUR PROPERTY EXCEPT RIGHT BEHIND THE FENCE.
IF WE CROUCH DOWN A BIT, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO COMPROMISE ON A SOUND BARRIER 'CAUSE WE BELIEVE AN EFFECTIVE SOUND BARRIER BARRIER IS THE COMPROMISE THIS GAME COURT FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT IS JUST A WANT, A WANT THAT ALTERS THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY.
YOU SHOULD NOT LET THE APPLICANT'S WANT, WANTS TRUMP ITS NEIGHBOR'S RIGHTS.
IF THE APPLICANT IS OPEN TO A MORE SERIOUS DISCUSSION TO ACHIEVE A COMPROMISE, WE ARE OPEN TO ANOTHER CONTINUANCE.
OTHERWISE, YOU SHOULD VOTE TO DENY THE MINOR AMENDMENT'S APPLICATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? HELLO? UM, MY NAME IS A LATINA SARNA AND I LIVE AT 6 1 1 4 TOWN HILL LANE AS WELL.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A FEW POINTS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE, THERE IS ALREADY AN ACTIVITY HAPPENING ON THE PLAYGROUND.
I MEAN, NOT ON THE PLAYGROUND, ON THE PARKING LOT.
AS EVERYONE ELSE MENTIONED, THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A FULL SIZE BASKETBALL COURT OR A PICKLEBALL COURT.
SO I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THIS, THIS THEY ARE CREATING BASICALLY A NEW ACTIVITY OR AT LEAST ENHANCING THE EXISTING ACTIVITY AND THEY'RE BRINGING THIS ENHANCED EXISTING ACTIVITY CLOSER, 90 FEET CLOSER TO OUR HOME.
I DO THINK THIS IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.
THIS IS NOT A MINOR CHANGE BECAUSE NOW THE CHILDREN WHO ARE PLAYING BASKETBALL ON THE PARKING LOT WILL BE PLAYING 90 FEET CLOSER TO OUR HOME.
SO THE NOISE LEVELS WILL DEFINITELY INCREASE.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT IT'S BEEN MENTIONED, UH, I THINK IN A FEW, UM, APPLICATIONS, AND I THINK AT THE LAST HEARING AS WELL, THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT MOVING THIS ACTIVITY INTO THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND.
THEY'RE MOVING IT INTO AN AREA THAT IS CLOSE TO THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND.
BUT THAT AREA PREVIOUSLY WAS JUST A FIELD, JUST TURF REALLY.
AND THERE WAS NO HIGH INTENSITY ACTIVITY.
I'VE NEVER PERSONALLY SEEN CHILDREN JUST PLAYING THERE, YELLING AND SCREAMING.
SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT USE OF THAT AREA, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOME.
AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT ONLY CREATING NEW ACTIVITY, THEY'RE CHANGING THE USE OF THAT AREA BEHIND OUR HOME.
AND THEY'RE ALSO BRINGING NEW USERS.
THEY'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF USERS OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT CLOSE TO OUR HOME.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE CHILDREN DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS.
THEY ALSO STATED THAT THEY DON'T, DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM COMING AND PLAYING AFTERSCHOOL HOURS, CHILDREN, ADULTS, ANYONE, ANYTIME DURING DAY NIGHT CAN COME AND PLAY WEEKENDS.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE, I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD LIKE MAYBE TO ASK YOU LIKE WHEN YOU DECIDE ON THIS CASE, ASK YOURSELF HONESTLY, WOULD YOU LIKE, WOULD YOU BE OKAY FOR A SCHOOL OR ANY OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTITUTION? I DON'T KNOW TO PLACE A BASKETBALL COURT OR PICKLEBALL COURT THAT CLOSE TO YOUR HOME.
WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE CHILDREN.
IT'S JUST THIS ACTIVITY, THIS BASKETBALL COURT, THIS PICKLEBALL COURT IS GONNA BE WAY, WAY TOO CLOSE TO OUR HOME.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, ACTUALLY, WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, BEFORE AND WE'VE LOOKED UP OTHER SCHOOLS, OTHER PARKS, AND MOST OF THEM, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM.
I'M SORRY, DON'T PLACE BASKETBALL COURTS.
ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? UH, IN OPPOSITION? ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IS THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE HERE?
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THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BLUE? WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? YES, MY NAME IS JAMES COOLMAN.UM, I MET MOST OF YOU AT THE LAST MEETING A MONTH AGO.
I'M AN ARCHITECT AND ALSO A MEMBER OF ZION LUTHERAN CHURCH.
MR. COOLMAN, I THINK THEY, AT THE LAST MEETING WE REQUESTED ASKED YOU ALL, WERE YOU ALL, UM, GOING TO DO A NOISE STUDY? WAS THAT NOISE STUDY OBTAINED? NO, WE DID NOT.
WE DID NOT OBTAIN A NOISE STUDY.
UM, I I WANT, UM, MAYBE I'M WRONG.
I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE GONNA OBTAIN A NO STUDY.
NO, THAT'S NOT MY RECOLLECTION.
UM, WELL MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE REQUESTED TO SEE IF YOU ALL WERE GONNA DO A NO STUDY ALSO.
UM, UM, IT WAS STATED AT THAT LAST MEETING.
IT WASN'T STATED TODAY, BUT IT WAS STATED BY OPPOSITION ABOUT THE HOURS BEING ANYONE.
UM, ANYTIME, ANY DAY ANYONE FROM OUTSIDE TO COME IN.
ALSO THE PICKLEBALL, IS PICKLEBALL GOING TO BE ON THIS PARTICULAR COURT? IT'S NOT CURRENTLY PLANNED.
AND JUST SO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, WE WILL BE FENCING THIS COURT.
WE HAVE A FOUR OR FIVE FOOT TALL IRON FENCE THAT IS CURRENTLY AROUND OUR PLAYGROUND.
WE'RE GONNA EXTEND THAT FENCE AROUND THIS COURT.
WE HAVE SIGNS POSTED ON OUR PROPERTY THAT, THAT DISCOURAGE TRESPASSING.
UM, WE DO NOT LOCK THE GATES, UM, AT NIGHT.
UM, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY.
LIKE IF WE HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE CHILDREN WHO WANT TO PLAY ON THE WEEKENDS OR AFTER HOURS, THE COURT IS NOT LIT.
UM, AND IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIGHT ENOUGH.
THERE IS SOME ADJACENT PARKING LOT LIGHTING, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO LIGHT THIS COURT AREA THAT WOULD, SO IT WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PLAY AT NIGHT.
UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE IN JUST LEAVING IT OPEN, UM, 24 HOURS A DAY.
SO, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE AT THE END, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT USABLE IN NIGHT.
WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS STATED TO US IN THE LAST HEARING? UM, I WANNA SAY, WAS IT THE PRINCIPAL OR THE BOARD, UH, DIRECTOR OF THE BOARD SAID THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE PICKET BALL ON THE COURT.
HE AND THAT WILL STATE, I THINK THEY, THERE ARE, THERE IS, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO STRIKE THIS COURT FOR PICKLEBALL OR TO INSTALL PICKLEBALL NETS OR TO HAVE ANY KIND OF ORGANIZED PICKLEBALL ACTIVITY.
WHAT PEOPLE DO WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE.
THEY COULD PLAY PICKLEBALL ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, WE ARE NOT PLANNING FOR THAT TO BE A PICKLEBALL COURT.
THIS IS SIMPLY MOVING CHILDREN FROM PLAYING ON A CONCRETE SURFACE TO ANOTHER CONCRETE SURFACE THAT'S CURRENTLY GRASS IN THE SAME PLAYGROUND AREA.
WE CONSIDER THAT ENTIRE FIELD OUR PLAY AREA, THERE'S A PLAYGROUND.
THERE IS, THERE'S A GRASS AREA THAT THEY CAN PLAY, CATCH AND THROW THE FOOTBALL, AND THERE'S A SOCCER FIELD.
SO WE CONSIDER THAT ENTIRE AREA OUR PLAY FIELD.
THIS NEW, THIS NEW BALL COURT IS GOING IN THAT AREA.
WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN.
IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF KIDS AT RECESS.
IT'S THE SAME KIND OF RECESS ACTIVITY.
IT'S NOT AN ORGANIZED BASKETBALL, UM, LEAGUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S KIDS AT RECESS AND WE'RE JUST MOVING THEM FROM THEIR CURRENT LOCATION TO THIS NEW COURT AREA THAT IS PROBABLY 70 FEET TO THE NORTH.
UM, WERE YOU, OR WERE YOU, UM, LAST, AT THE LAST HEARING, UM, THE OPPOSITION STATED THAT THERE HAS BEEN PLAYED ON THE ACTUAL COURT THAT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW AS LATE AS I THINK MAYBE AFTER MIDNIGHT? I'M ALMOST FOR SURE OF, AND I, AND WE DID NOT.
SO THE CURRENT COURT IS IN OUR PARKING LOT.
AND WE DO NOT HAVE A FENCE AROUND OUR PARKING LOT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR PARKING LOT AFTER HOURS? IT, YES, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE OUT THERE PLAYING BALL.
AND WHICH IS ALSO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FURTHER, WHICH IS ALSO WHY THIS WOULD BE ADVANT MORE ADVANTAGEOUS BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIGHTING AND NO ONE COULD PLAY AT NIGHT IF IT WAS MOVED, WOULD YOU ALL CONSIDER HAVING A TIME FRAME? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? PUTTING A TIMEFRAME IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU MR. COLEMAN.
I RE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM, UM, I BELIEVE YOUR YOURSELF THAT MENTIONED THE ACOUSTIC FENCING.
WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD CONSIDERED ADDING TO YOUR FENCE? I THINK THERE'S A PARTIAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
WAS ADDITION OF THAT ACOUSTIC MATERIAL ON YOUR SIDE, SOMETHING THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED? WE, OUR SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS ARE RELUCTANT TO ADD THAT FENCE
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MATERIAL BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE ALLEY FOR SECURITY REASONS.SO OUR CONCERN IS THAT IF WE WERE TO INSTALL THAT FENCE ALONG THE ALLEY ON OUR SIDE, THEN WE CREATE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO HIDE FOR.
IT'S A PLACE THAT'S NOT MONITORED.
I'LL SAY THAT BY EITHER OUR TEACHERS WATCHING CHILDREN AT RECESS OR, YOU KNOW, BY ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE BEHIND THAT FENCE.
AND SO WE CONSIDER THAT A SECURITY RISK.
AND THE PROPOSAL TO MR. SARNO TO INSTALL THIS ACOUSTIC FENCE MATERIAL, IT'S A, IT'S A COVER THAT GOES ON HIS FENCE, UM, WOULD OFFER A SIGNIFICANT NOISE REDUCTION FOR HIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT WOULD BE ON THE ALLEY SIDE OF HIS FENCE SO THAT IF HE HAD AN OPAQUE FENCE, IT WOULDN'T, HE WOULDN'T SEE IT.
UM, AND IT WOULD HELP TO ELIMINATE OR REDUCE THE NOISE THAT HE EXPERIENCES IN HIS BACKYARD, IN HIS HOUSE.
TO FURTHER ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WELL, I JUST, I I SEE THE, THE ROW OF PLANTINGS AND SO I THINK WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT YOU PERCEIVE THE PLANTING HEDGE TO NOT BE SOLID, THEREFORE NOT THE SAME SECURITY RISK THAT IN YOUR EVALUATION ADDING THE SOLIDS FENCE MATERIAL WOULD ACHIEVES.
THAT'S ACCURATE AND THERE WAS NO CONSIDERATION.
I SEE YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING, I BELIEVE AT OUR LAST MEETING, IT'S A COMMUNITY GARDEN THAT'S A SMALLER FENCED OFF AREA.
PUTTING SOMETHING IN THAT LINE THAT MAINTAINED YOUR VISIBILITY TO THE ALLEY WAS IN ANYTHING THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN YOUR CURRENT PLANS? THAT'S CORRECT.
YOUR QUESTION WAS VERY RELEVANT AND WE JUST, YOU GOTTA ALWAYS BE ABLE TO SEE THE CHILDREN.
UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.
UH, THERE WAS MENTION OF THE SOCCER FIELD AND WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THE SOCCER FIELD.
IS YOUR SOCCER FIELD CURRENTLY USED ON A, ON A NORMAL BASIS AS THE SOCCER FIELD? YES.
COMMERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, QUESTIONS FOR THE OPPOSITION.
NO QUESTIONS FOR THE OPPOSITION.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CHAIR.
UM, CAN WE GET A REFRESHER ABOUT WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT AND WHAT THE DISCRETION WE HAVE AS A COMMISSION IS? YES.
I'LL READ YOU THE, UH, MINOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA.
A MINOR AMENDMENT PROCESS ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY AS NECESSARY TO MEET THE CONTINGENCIES OF DEVELOPMENT.
DO NOT QUALIFY AS MINOR AMENDMENTS MUST BE PROCESSED AS A ZONING AMENDMENT.
MINOR AMENDMENTS ARE LIMITED TO MINOR CHANGES IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT OTHERWISE COMPLY WITH THE PD ORDINANCE AND DO NOT ALTER THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY.
INCREASE A HEIGHT SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BY MORE THAN 10% OR 12 FEET, WHICHEVER IS LESS PROVIDED THERE IS NO INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF HABITABLE STORIES OR PARKING LEVELS ABOVE GRADE C.
DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO AS TO CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR TRAFFIC CONGESTION OR FAIL TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING OR D REDUCE BUILDING SETBACKS AT THE BOUNDARY OF THE SITE SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AND IF IT MEETS THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT, WHAT IS OUR ROLE AS THE CPC? UH, CPC UH, IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE BECAUSE IT IS MINISTERIAL AND NOT SUBJECTIVE.
JUST TO CONFIRM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S CAN BE A LOT OF CONFUSIONS ABOUT WHICH CASES WE CAN AND CAN'T HAVE SOME DISCRETION.
IF IT'S MINISTERIAL, THIS IS ONE OF THE LOWEST LEVELS OF DISCRETION.
WOULD THAT BE AN ACCURATE CHARACTERIZATION? I, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY? IF IT'S MINISTERIAL, THERE IS NO DISCRETION.
MAY, MAY I JUST ASK ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, MR. MOORE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IF WE FIND THAT IT MEETS THE FOUR CRITERIA AS JUST STATED.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, COMMISSIONER.
AND THANK YOU MS. MORMAN, YOU READ THEM.
COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?
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YES.IN THE CASE OF 2 34 0 0 3, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO ADD, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TREADAWAY.
UM, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER REMARKS.
SO IS IS AS RECENTLY AS, UH, FOUR OR FIVE DAYS AGO, UH, THERE WAS A DIALOGUE BETWEEN MR. SARNO AND THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE SCHOOL, AND I WAS VERY HOPEFUL THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A COMPROMISE AGREEMENT THAT THEY COULD BRING FORWARD.
UM, I REALIZE THAT WE'RE LIMITED IN TERMS OF ANYTHING WE CAN RECOMMEND IN TERMS OF ADDING ON CONDITIONS.
SO I I I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THIS PART OF THE MOTION, BUT I, I I WILL SAY THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE, FIRST OF ALL, THAT, UM, THE, THE, THE SCHOOL AND MR. SARNO AND POSSIBLY MS. TUB WHO IS, IS I THINK NEXT DOOR TO MR. SARNO, UH, THAT THEY, UH, CONSIDER AND AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THE SCHOOL IS GIVEN TO ADD THAT ACOUSTIC MATERIAL.
I DO THINK THAT WILL WILL HELP.
I ALSO HOPE THAT THEY'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS AND PARTICULARLY IN, IN NOT LESS THAN A YEAR, REVISIT AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE IN ORDER FOR THAT TO, UM, UH, FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
AND I THINK MR. HALL HAD ONE OTHER CONDITION HE WANTED TO BRING UP, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I, EXCUSE ME, BROUGHT THIS UP AT OUR, OUR LAST HEARING.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR THING TO SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW PICKLEBALL ON THIS COURT.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT UP A FENCE OR STRIPING IT, BUT THEY COULD HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO THEIR BEST TO PREVENT PICKLEBALL FROM BEING PLAYED THERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, YOU HAD A REMARK? UM, YEAH, I SUPPORTED THIS MOTION BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES MEET THE FOUR CRITERIA.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY DISCRETION.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED AND APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GROUPS WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND AN ACCOMMODATION.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE NOISE ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US IS A ZONING CHANGE.
UM, AND AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO GET SOME TRANSPARENCY ON, ON THE DECISION AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR JUST UNDERSTANDING.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'LL SAY THIS, THREATENING AND ATTACKING THIS BODY IS REALLY NOT GOOD.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE.
I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN WE HAVE VERY RESTRICTIVE CRITERIA, EVALUATING WHERE, UM, THE LINE IS CAN BE DIFFICULT.
UM, I AM NOT SURE I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT ADDING THE CLOSER PROXIMITY OF A PAVED PLAY COURT IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL DOES POTENTIALLY ALTER THAT RELATIONSHIP.
I LIKE MR. SLEEPER, FULLY HAD HOPED THAT THERE WOULD BE A COMPROMISE SOLUTION, EITHER THROUGH LANDSCAPE BUFFERING THE ORIENTATION OF THE COURT, HOW IT WAS, UM, RELATED TO THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF AREA HERE THAT IT SEEMS LIKE A MORE CREATIVE SOLUTION COULD HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THE OBJECTIVES OF THE SCHOOL, THE PARENTS, THEIR NEED FOR A SAFER PLAY ENVIRONMENT, AS WELL AS ADDRESSING, UM, FROM NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE HEARD, I'M SURE OTHER NEIGHBORS HEAR THE SAME THINGS.
UM, PERHAPS NOT TO THE EXTENT.
UM, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GONNA VOTE AT THIS POINT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE MR. SLEEPER TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE THE DIALOGUE.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
I TRY TO GIVE PRONUNCIATIONS RIGHTS OVER HERE.
UM, I SUPPORT CHILDREN 100% AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A MINOR AMENDMENT AND I, I CAN SAY I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT, UH, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO OPTIONS FOR OTHER TYPE OF, UM, BRING IT UP AGAIN, PREVIOUS PERIOD, UM, PAVEMENT BECAUSE THE PAVEMENT FOR THE BASKETBALL COURT HAS ALREADY BEEN LAID.
UM, SO, UM, IF THERE WAS AN OPTION FOR THE PREVIOUS, UH, PAYMENT SO THAT THE NOISE COULD BE, UM, POSSIBLY NOT AS LOUD
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OR POSSIBLY EVEN, UM, UM, WE DID NOT HEAR THE PREVIOUS, THE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE PICKET, UM, UH, NOT PICKLEBALL.AND SO IT, IN, IN MY OPINION THAT IT WILL CHANGE THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP, SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? MR. MR. CHAIR? YES.
I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER RUBIN.
UM, JUST, JUST TWO QUICK POINTS, UM, TO MAKE.
FIRST, UM, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I THINK THE KEY LANGUAGE THERE IS WHETHER IT LACKS FOR, AFFECTS THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPERTY, NOT MERELY THE RELATIONSHIP, BUT I DON'T THINK THE ADDITION OF SIMPLY THIS BASKETBALL COURT, UM, RISES TO THE LEVEL OF EFFECT OF THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP AFTER HAVING SEEN MINOR REMITS GET APPLICATIONS COME IN AND COME OUT OF THIS BODY FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
I DON'T THINK THIS ONE GOES PAST THE LINE OF AFFECTING THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE I WANTED TO SPEAK TO, UM, IS LIKE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THE ADVOCACY OF THIS CASE.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THE OPPOSITION, BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ADVOCACY DONE BY COUNSEL FOR THE ADVOCATE HERE, WHICH I AM, UM, PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, IS COUNSEL.
Y'ALL CERTAINLY KNOW WHAT THE RELEVANT STANDARD IS, WHICH IS YOU HERE, THAT THE THING THAT WAS IN DISPUTE WAS WHETHER IT, UH, AFFECTED THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY AND LECTURING TO US ABOUT THINGS LIKE EXACTION IS REALLY NOT RELEVANT AND NOT HELPFUL IN DOING THINGS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED AT LAST MEETING, BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, THE OPPOSITIONS HEALTH CONDITIONS ARE REALLY JUST NOT IN ANY WAY GERMANE TO THIS DISCUSSION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE MAY HAVE BEEN COME UP IN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS ADVOCATES, I THINK WE COULD DO, I THINK PEOPLE COULD DO A LOT, LOT BETTER THAN BRINGING IN THOSE REALLY EXTRANEOUS CONSIDERATIONS INTO THE DEBATE, UM, BEFORE US IN A VERY PUBLIC BODY.
AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ZION COMES BEFORE US, THAT THEIR APPLICANTS WILL, OR, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVES WILL FOCUS ON THE ISSUES BEFORE US, RATHER THAN BRINGING IN INFLAMMATORY THINGS THAT ARE REALLY EXTRANEOUS AND DON'T BELONG AT, AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR RE REMINDING EVERYONE THAT, UH, ATTACKS ON THIS BODY ARE UNCALLED FOR ATTACKS ON, UH, FOLKS WITH A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW ON A CASE IS UNCALLED FOR.
AND IT REALLY DOES, UH, DIMINISH OUR ABILITY TO DO THE WORK WE NEED TO DO HERE IN THE CITY WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.
UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS CHANGES THE FUNDAMENTAL NATURE, UH, OF THE, OF THE OPERATION OF THAT PROPERTY.
UH, I'LL REMIND EVERYONE IN MY OPINION THAT UH, NOT ONLY THE DO THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE RIGHTS, BUT THE, UH, THE CHURCH OWNERS AND CHURCH PROPERTY, UH, HAS RIGHTS AS WELL.
AND SO I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CASE AND MR. SLEEP'S MOTION.
SO, UM, SO YOU NO OTHER COMMENTS, UH, IN THE MATTER OF D TWO, EXCUSE ME.
M 2 34, UH, 0 0 3, WE HAVE A, A, A MOTION OF APPROVAL AND A SECOND.
ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED, OPPOSED.
OKAY, SO I GOT 1, 2, 3, AND YEAH, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE OPPOSED.
1, 2, 3 ON THAT SIDE AND ONE ON THIS SIDE.
SO THAT'S, HOW MANY DID WE HAVE? FIVE WE'RE MISSING TWO.
WOULD YOU PREFER TO TAKE RECORDED? SIX, FOUR.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A RECORDED.
WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BACK UP AND TAKE A RECORDED VOTE.
I THE MOTION DISTRICT TWO? NO.
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AND 2, 3, 4, 0 0 3 PASSES.OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE ON TO, UM, THE, UH, ZONING CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.
THIS WILL BE ITEM NUMBER NINE.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS Z 2 2 3 116.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM, SO I'LL BE STEPPING OUT.
UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS A, HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS AND WILL BE, UM, SIGNING OFF THE, THE VIDEO Z 2 2 316 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONED SUB AREA TWO WITHIN PLAINTIFF DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 6 6, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH THE D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF CON TRIBE BETWEEN BRUTON ROAD, STONE, HURST STREET STAFF.
SO ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF ITEM NUMBER NINE M 2 2 3 116? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER WHEELER? UM, DIDN'T, DIDN'T THE APPLICANT MAKE SOME A, UH, CHANGES AS FAR AS, UM, THE ENTRYWAY OR SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHANGED? UM, THAT WOULD COME? THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT OFF OF BRODEN RIGHT AFTER BUCKNER, AM I CORRECT? YES.
THIS IS BEHIND THE CAR WASH ON CONNOR DRIVE ACCESS FROM CONNOR DRIVE THAT IT'S IN THE BUCKNER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
THE CHANGE WAS ACTUALLY, UH, INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS DOCKET.
THE FIRST, THE, THE, YES, THE, THE, THE, UH, ON FEBRUARY 1ST, THE CHANGE WAS IN THAT DOCKET.
SO HAS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN OR CONDITIONS SINCE THAT HEARING? IN THE FEBRUARY 1ST HEARING, THEY ADDED A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN ABOUT ACCESS FROM BRUTON? FROM BRUTON, YEAH.
IT ALSO IS THIS, UH, WHAT THEIR, THEIR CURRENT USE IS A AUTO SERVICE CENTER, AM I CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE REASON FOR DENIAL WAS, I MEAN, RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL IF THEY'RE ALREADY A AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND, UM, ABOUT THEY CAN ONLY HAVE THE FIVE SPACES.
AND HOW WOULD IT DISRUPT THE CURRENT, UH, CURRENT, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD? THE REQUEST IS THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC FROM AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER THAN SURE THEY CAN'T PUT MORE THAN FIVE CARS IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THE REQUEST IS FOR AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE.
BOTH OF THOSE REQUIRE AN SUP IN THE DISTRICT.
UH, THEY'RE LIKELY NON-CONFORMING LAST TIME I CHECKED WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR THE AUTO SERVICE CENTER USE, WHICH WILL KEEP THEIR USE, UM, ABLE TO OPERATE AS IS, UH, UNDER THE, UH, GUIDELINES FOR NON-CONFORMING USES.
IF YOU APPLY THE SUP, IF YOU APPLY THE SUP TO THAT USE, IT COULD, IT COULD ACTUALLY RESULT IN THEIR DETERMINATION OF THEIR RIGHT TO, TO OPERATE.
SO IN TERMS OF THE AUTO SERVICE CENTER, I THINK WE'D RECOMMEND THEY RATHER STAY UNDER THEIR, THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS, UM, NOT, NOT GET THE SUP TO ALTER THAT OR, OR BE SUBJECT TO TERM, UH, EXPIRATION BY THE SUP FOR THAT USE.
AND THEN VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE WAS VIEWED AS A ADDITIONAL MORE INTENSE USE THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, C YOU CATCH YOUR MICROPHONE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER? UH, COMMISSIONER HALL.
I THINK THE CONCERN WAS THE, UH, ACCESS TO THIS SITE.
THERE, THERE WAS A, UH, UH, ACCESS ACCESS THROUGH COMER, BUT THE SECOND ACCESS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY THROUGH A WALGREENS PARKING LOT.
IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPRESS ON THEIR SITE PLAN, UM, AND I'LL, I'LL BE FRANK, IN THEIR, IN THEIR COMMUNICATION, THEY SAID THEY, THEY ARE ATTENDING TO RECORD AN EASEMENT THROUGH THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS NOT THE WALGREENS, IT'S THE, UH, THE CAR WASH THAT THEY ALREADY OWN.
IT'S NOT DIRECT ACCESS FROM BRUTON ROAD, IS IT? IT IS.
NO, NO, IT'D BE FROM THE NORTH.
WHICH REFRESH MY MEMORY, WHAT STREET THAT IS
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RIGHT.BECAUSE BUCKNER RUNS, BUCKNER RUNS PARALLEL TO CONNOR, SO IT'S BRUTON TO THE NORTH.
AND SO THERE'S A CAR WASH PROPERTY DIRECTLY OF THE NORTH THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, THAT THEY PROPOSED TO, UH, RECORD AN EASEMENT PRESUMABLY ON, UH, THROUGH THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
THERE WERE, IT'S NOT MINE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
AND, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DEPICT ON THEIR SITE PLAN WITH THE NOTE ABOUT ACCESS FROM THERE.
BUT THAT CAR WASH IS NOT OWNED BY THEM, IS IT? OR IS IT? I BELIEVE IT IS.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I, I JUST HAVE ONE POINT FOR CLARIFICATION.
MR. UM, PEPPY, YOU MENTIONED THE FEBRUARY 1ST HEARING, HOWEVER, THIS WAS HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT IN NOVEMBER 2ND AND JANUARY THE 18TH.
IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T SEE IT ON OUR DOCKET FOR THE FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
THE LAST HEARING JAN WAS JANUARY 18.
IT WAS HELD FROM THAT DATE WITH REALLY NO DISCUSSION, BUT THE ONE, EXCUSE ME, BUT THE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE, WHICH IS THE NOTE REGARDING ACCESS WAS MARKED PRIOR TO THAT DOCKET.
AND SO THERE'S REALLY BEEN NO CHANGE SINCE THEN.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON TIMING THAT THERE WASN'T ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
IF THERE'S, UM, NO QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA TURN TO COMMISSIONER HERBERT AS COMMISSIONER SHED IS OUT TODAY.
IN THE CASE OF Z 2 2 3 116 MP, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER IN VIOL EVENT UNTIL THE MARCH 7TH, UM, HEARING.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO ITEM 10 IS MS. MUNOZ ON LINE? THERE SHE IS.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 15 FOR A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION ON PROPERTY ZONE AND NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CEDAR CREST BOULEVARD AND EAST EAST BOULEVARD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF Z 2 23 DASH 1 63? ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN, IN OPPOSITION? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONERS' QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THE QUESTION THAT I HAD TO ASK STAFF WAS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY AROUND THAT CONVENIENCE STORE AND THEY HAD INDICATED, UH, THAT, UH, THERE HASN'T BEEN A, A CASE IN TWO YEARS.
SO IT, UH, IT APPEARS TO BE, YOU KNOW, VERY SAFE.
AND AGAIN, THOUGH THAT THAT ISSUE IS NOT GERMANE TO THIS SUP FOR GAS PUMPS.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO CITY ATTORNEY AFTERWARDS AND, BUT, UH, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WAS HIS POINT EARLIER IS THAT IT'S NOT GERMANE TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WELL JUST, UM, MR. MOORE, IS IT CORRECT THAT IN EVALUATING AN SUP ONE OF OUR CHARGES IS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT WE CAN CONSIDER COMPONENTS RELATED TO COMPATIBILITY? I'M, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, I, I MISSED THE QUESTION.
I KNOW IT'S RELATED TO WHAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR AN SUP.
CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? I WAS JUST ASKING THAT COMPATIBILITY ISSUES IS ONE OF THE UNDERLYING, UM, ITEMS CONSIDERED VIA SUVS.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
I WILL THEN, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER FORSYTH.
SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IN CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 DASH 1 63, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
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ITEM 11.IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST KEYS BOULEVARD AND GUADALUPE AVENUE STAFF.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF Z 2 2 3 2 1 7.
ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SCENE NONE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IN THE CASE OF Z 2 2 3 2 7, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IN THIS CASE AND HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE MARCH 21ST, UH, UH, COURT DATE, I MEAN, HEARING DATE.
AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I'LL MAKE COMMENT.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND UH, COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES, ON THIS CASE WE HAD A VERY, VERY CONTENTIOUS, UM, UM, CONVERSATION IN A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, WITH ABOUT 40, UH, RESIDENTS, WHICH IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
UM, AND THERE WERE SOME, UM, CONSIDERATIONS AND IDEAS GIVEN TO THE DEVELOPER TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DISCUSS, UM, WITH SOME CITY STAFF AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, SO WE HOPE THEY COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION BEFORE THEN.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ON THE TABLE.
THERE WE'RE, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER Z 2 23 DASH 2 82.
ONE MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE WEST CORNER OF SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD AND MARFA AVENUE STAFF.
UM, ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? ANYONE? OH, HERE WE ARE IN SUPPORT.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? CAN YOU PUSH THE BUTTON ON THE, OKAY.
FLOLAN, DO YOU HAVE REMARKS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS? WELL, UM, I OPENED THIS, UM, REZONING IN JUNE AND THEN THEY RESCHEDULED IT FOR JANUARY, AND NOW THEY'RE RESCHEDULING FOR MARCH.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO? DO WE HAVE TO JUST KEEP PUTTING IT OFF, WHICH IS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING MOVING? UM, I THINK A, A PART OF THE ANSWER IS THAT WE NOW HAVE MR. FORSYTH ON OUR COMMISSION WHO IS, UM, UH, NEWLY APPOINTED IN THE POSITION TO REPRESENT THE DISTRICT OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND I THINK, UH, NOT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MR. FORSYTH, BUT I BELIEVE HE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO WORK WITH YOU TO ANSWER ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND GET THIS BACK BEFORE US FOR A VOTE.
UH, MR. FORSYTH, DO YOU CARE TO ADDRESS THIS FURTHER? WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU AND I HOPE YOU'LL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF INVESTIGATE THIS CASE FURTHER AND, AND DEFINITELY WE WILL HAVE A HEARING ON THIS IN MARCH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
AND ANY, ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US TODAY? NO.
UM, PERHAPS MR. FORSYTH, YOU COULD, YOU COULD MEET WITH MS. LULUM WHILE SHE'S HERE AND YOU ALL GET SOME THINGS MOVING ON.
UM, SO TODAY, MR. UH, FORSYTH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN THIS CASE? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IN CASE NUMBER Z 2 2 3 2 8 2, I MOVE THAT WE LEAVE THE PUBLIC
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HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE 21ST.IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, UH, HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 21ST, SAY AYE.
ANY I HEARD? UH, IS THAT OKAY? A CALL? ALL RIGHT.
SO, UH, WE'RE ON TO, UH, NUMBER, UH, 13.
UM, ANOTHER DISTRICT FOUR CASE IS MR. CLINTON HERE.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 13, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 99, AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF UPTON STREET BETWEEN EAST CLARATON DRIVE AND VIOLA STREET.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS CASE? PAUL CARDEN, UH, 2007 HARLANDALE AVENUE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 1 6.
I ACTUALLY HAD A PRESENTATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WANT TO GET THAT SET UP.
DO WE HAVE A WAY TO GET HIS PRESENTATION UP? I THINK HONOR.
UM, SO JUST SOME CASE CONTEXT ON THIS ONE.
UM, SO THIS SITE IS ABOUT HALF AN ACRE, CURRENTLY ZONED REGIONAL RETAIL, UH, VACANT LOT DURING PEAK SEASON FOR THE ZOO.
OCCASIONALLY IT'S USED FOR KIND OF OVERFLOW PARKING.
UM, CURRENT REGIONAL RETAIL ZOO ZONING REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN MY OPINION.
UM, I COME FROM PRIMARILY RETAIL MIXED USE BACKGROUND.
UM, HIGHEST AND BEST USE WITH THE ZONING WOULD BE FOR A DRIVE THROUGH WHICH, UM, IS TYPICALLY SEEN AS A POOR LAND USE WITHIN 500 FEET OF A DART STATION AND A REGIONAL AMENITY, UM, IN A SIGNIFICANT GATEWAY TO THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THIS TO MU TWO TO ALLOW FOR HOUSING AND FUTURE OFFICE, UH, USES IN A MIXED USE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.
SO THIS SITE, UH, AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY SMALL, HAS SOME CHALLENGES, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S CLOSE, UH, WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE DART RED LINE STATION, 500 FEET OF THE DALLAS SIOUX.
UM, I HAVE SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE WORKING THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE FOR LIKE OFFICE AND RETAIL USES ADJACENT AND ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WITH THIS WAS THAT IT'S THIS SITE BECAUSE OF THE OTHER INVESTMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE HISTORICALLY IN THIS AREA.
UM, THE CEDAR CREEK, IT WAS PRONE TO FLOODING.
UM, SO TO CREATE THIS AND TO SOLVE FOR THIS, I HAVE TO NOT ONLY GET THE ENTITLEMENTS, I ALSO HAVE TO WORK WITHIN MY ENGINEERING TEAM TO ESSENTIALLY PULL THIS OUT OF FLOOD, UM, TO ALLOW FOR, FOR HOUSING UNITS.
AND WHILE WE CAN'T DO ALL OF IT, WE CAN GET MOST OF IT.
UM, AND ALONG WITH THAT ALSO WORK ON ALLOWING FOR, YOU KNOW, 22 TO 26 HOUSING UNITS, THREE STORY BUILDING.
YOU COULD PLAN A TREE, IT'D BE BIGGER THAN IT.
UM, AND I'M TRYING TO FRAME THE STREET ALONG CLARATON VIOLA AS MUCH AS I CAN.
UM, REQUIRING MYSELF WITH SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS AND THE GROUND FLOOR UNITS OPENING OUT ONTO CLARATON, VIOLA.
UM, PARKING IS STORED ACTUALLY TO, UH, CLATON, UH, UPTON ON THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE THE SITE'S SO SMALL, IT'S HARD TO DO A FULL WRAPAROUND, LIKE ON ALL SIDES.
BUT I HAVE JUST ONE KIND OF ENTRANCE FOR THE PARKING FIELD TOWARDS, ON THE VIOLA SIDE OF THE STREET.
UM, WE'RE ABLE TO PRESERVE THE TREES HERE AND WE'RE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FULL WRAPAROUND WITH, UM, WITH A, WITH THE, UM, SIDEWALK SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND IT'S DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT AS THE AREA BECOMES MORE WALKABLE, THE INTENTION IS THAT FOR A SMALL PORTION OF IT TO BECOME CONVERTED TO OFFICE OR RETAIL.
BUT CURRENTLY EVEN WITH PARKING REGULATIONS, I CAN, I CAN PARK EITHER RETAIL OR HOUSING, BUT NOT BOTH.
AND RIGHT NOW WHAT THE AREA NEEDS MORE IS HOUSING.
UM, 'CAUSE I DO HAVE SOME STUFF I CAN DO FOR RETAIL AND OFFICE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS SITE IS SET UP FOR.
UM, AGAIN, HERE'S CONCEPTUAL OVERVIEW, KIND OF VIVID, JUST SO YOU GUYS SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE
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DETAIL.UM, DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING BACK IN DECEMBER.
UM, I KNOCK ON DOORS, SAY HELLO, HOST A MEETING WITH AN EIGHT MINUTE WALK OF THE SITE AND ACCESS TO TRANSIT FOR THE FLAT SURFACE LOT SO THAT ANYONE, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR MEANS WERE, WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTEND IT.
I THINK STAFF ATTENDED THERE AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE FOR LIKE THREE HOURS.
CALL, MOVE AROUND, YOU KNOW, JUST INTERACT WITH EVERYONE.
BUT I DO SO MANY PROJECTS IN THE AREA.
I PRETTY MUCH KIND OF KNOW EVERY, EVERYONE THERE.
SO, UM, I DIDN'T RUN INTO ANY OPPOSITION.
THEY KIND OF, THEY KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, AGAIN, ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM TODAY? DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY IN OPPOSITION? OKAY.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARDIN? YES.
MR. CARIN, WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE TO THE SOUTH? UH, OR I GUESS THAT'S SOUTH OR MAYBE IT'S EAST, SOUTHEAST ACROSS.
UM, SO I'M AT A PARTNER IN THAT, IN THAT SITE.
THE GOAL IS TO REMOVE THE INDUSTRIAL USES AND CONVERT IT TO RETAIL AND OFFICE USES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARDIN? MR. CARDIN, DID YOU MENTION, UH, HOW MANY STORIES THIS UNIT'S GONNA BE? UH, YES.
ANY QUESTIONS? FURTHER? QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'D LIKE TO ASK IN, IN THIS CASE, NUMBER TWO Z 2 23 2 29, THAT WE LEAVE THIS, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE 21ST.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT MOTION.
AND WE, WE HAVE NOBODY HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST US.
WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK AT THIS IN, IN CASES.
I UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, UH, WE HAVE NOT HAD A PLAN COMMISSIONER PRIOR TO, BUT THAT DOESN'T, NOT HAVING A PLAN COMMISSIONER DOESN'T MEAN