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[00:00:03]

YES, IT IS.

[ Landmark Commission Meeting on March 4, 2024.]

ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.

IT IS MARCH 4TH AT 1 0 4, AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

UM, I WILL BE SERVING AS CHAIR.

I'M COMMISSIONER EVELYN MONTGOMERY AND COMMISSIONER REAGAN.

ROTHENBERGER, WE'LL BE SERVING AS OUR VICE.

OH, WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.

HOPEFULLY.

COMMISSIONER REAGAN ROTHENBERG WILL BE SERVING AS OUR VICE CHAIR.

WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT AS A COMMISSION.

I, I HAVE HIGH HOPES THAT EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT FINE.

ELAINE, COULD YOU PLEASE BEGIN BY DOING A ROLL? WHERE'S ELAINE? OH, .

PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL.

OKAY.

DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.

PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO.

COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.

PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.

COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN.

PRESENT? DISTRICT FOUR.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT FIVE.

COMMISSIONER OFFIT.

PRESENT? DISTRICT SIX.

COMMISSIONER HENO HOSA.

PRESENT? DISTRICT SEVEN.

COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.

DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER.

PRESENT? DISTRICT NINE.

COMMISSIONER RENO.

PRESENT? DISTRICT 11.

COMMISSIONER.

YAY.

PRESENT? DISTRICT 12.

COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.

PRESENT? DISTRICT 13.

COMMISSIONER POSI.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER.

GUEST PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER REEVES.

THANK YOU.

AND CPC LIVES ON JOANNA HAMPTON.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, ELAINE.

UM, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ALWAYS TO INQUIRE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC TESTIMONY ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN ONE OF OUR CASES.

'CAUSE WE'LL GET TO THOSE JUST GENERAL TESTIMONY, LIKE ABOUT THE MINUTES.

AND USUALLY THERE IS NOT 'CAUSE NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THAT.

SO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS WILL APPARENTLY BE, UM, I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER TO BE TEMPORARY VICE CHAIR TODAY SINCE COURTNEY'S POLICY COULD NOT BE WITH US.

SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

WE ARE ALL IN FAVOR.

CONGRATULATIONS EVERYBODY.

? YES.

ALL RIGHTY.

UM, SO IN LIGHT OF WHO OUR SPEAKERS ARE AND SUCH, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS A COUPLE OF MOTIONS TO MAKE.

UM, MADAM CHAIR, FIRST OFF, I, UH, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AS PRESENTED.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO NEEDED TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM OTHER THAN TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? BECAUSE APPARENTLY WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT.

ALL RIGHT, THEN LET US PROCEED.

WE NEED A SECOND FOR YOUR MOTION.

SECOND.

SECOND.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN SECONDED THAT FIRST .

WE'LL GO WITH HIM.

UH, THERE IS NO DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSION ON THESE.

OKAY.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

IT IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

EVERYBODY WHO HAD AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ONE, TWO, OR THREE.

YOU HAVE BEEN, UM, APPROVED FOLLOWING, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND STAFF CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT.

MADAM CHAIR.

I MOVE THAT WE, UH, ARRANGE OUR AGENDA IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER, STARTING WITH COURTESY REVIEWS, ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

THEN DISCUSSIONS ITEMS IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 7, AND EIGHT.

AND THEN COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR AS OUR FINAL ITEM.

SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.

UM, UH, MATT IS IN LIGHT OF WHICH ONES HAVE SPEAKERS.

THEY HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED BY BEING MOVED TO THE FOURTH.

I SEE WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON WHO HAS ENTERED SOMEONE FROM STAFF MIGHT WANT TO INQUIRE AS TO WHETHER HE'S HERE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING.

COULD WE JUST REPEAT ONE MORE TIME THE ORDER? YES.

.

MAKE SURE.

I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THAT AFFECTS AND, OH, OKAY.

OH, OKAY.

SO YOU DON'T WANNA TALK TO US? WELL, IT WAS NICE MEETING YOU, .

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ALL RIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

ALL.

OKAY.

WE HAVE HERE, HERE WE GO.

I'LL, I'LL REPEAT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THE AGENDA ORDER WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

COURTESY REVIEW ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

DISCUSSION ITEMS, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 7, AND EIGHT.

AND THEN COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THEN.

WE ARE, WE SHOULD BE READY TO BEGIN WITH COURTESY REVIEW ONE.

IF STAFF WOULD READ IT IN.

UM, COMMISSIONER GUEST, MAY I ASK YOU TO READ TASK FORCE ? OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS DR.

RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING CUR COURTESY REVIEW.

ITEM ONE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1462 FIRST AVENUE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH 0 0 6 RD.

THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO INSTALL A NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL A NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS, OR TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.

TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.

NUMBER ONE, PROPOSED LOCATION IS ACCEPTABLE, EXACT LOCATION TO BE DETERMINED AT A FUTURE DATE.

NUMBER TWO, PROPOSED LOCATION WILL HELP ACTIVATE THIS AREA OF THE PARK.

NUMBER THREE, CAROUSEL WILL REQUIRE A STRUCTURAL BASE, A DA RAMP AND OPERATOR STATION INCLUDE A DA SEATING ON CAROUSEL.

NUMBER FOUR, ADDITIONAL SITE ENHANCEMENTS WILL BE INCLUDED WITH FUTURE DESIGN.

NUMBER FIVE, CAROUSEL PRESENTED WAS SELECTED TO WORK WITH THE AQUATICS OF THE ADJACENT LAGOON.

SPECIFIC MODEL HAS NOT BEEN VIEWED.

COMPANY HAS GOOD REPUTATION.

NUMBER SIX, NEED ARBORISTS TO REVIEW IMPACT OF CAROUSEL LOCATION ON ADJACENT TREES.

NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE DESIGN NEEDS TO INCLUDE CONTROLS FOR MUSIC, SOUND LEVELS.

AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED ON THIS ITEM.

THAT IS NORM ALSTON, WHO I BELIEVE KNOWS THE DRILL.

PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN PROMISE THAT YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.

TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON FIRST.

.

OKAY.

UH, NORMA ALSTON, 5 0 6 MONTE VISTA, DALLAS, 7 5 2 2 3.

I, UH, YOU SWEAR ME IN HERE.

DO I DO SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.

YES, I DO.

THANK YOU AS ALWAYS.

AND, UH, UH, THANK YOU, UH, MADAM CHAIR AND GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION.

UH, WE COME TO YOU WITH THIS TODAY, UH, IN OUR CONTINUING EFFORT AT FAIR PARK, TO KEEP YOU APPRISED OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THERE AND, UH, TO SEEK YOUR INPUT AND, UH, UH, IDEAS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RENOVATION AND RESTORATION AND REACTIVATION OF FAIR PARK.

THIS ITEM IN PARTICULAR, WE WANTED TO DO A COURTESY REVIEW BECAUSE, UM, WELL BELIEVE IT'S AN INSERTION OF A NEW ITEM AT THE LAGOON AREA.

UH, OVER THE YEARS SINCE 1936, THE LAGOON, UH, CHARACTER HAS, HAS, UM, CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S KIND OF A BUCOLIC, UH, PARK-LIKE SETTING NOWADAYS.

AND WHAT WE'VE COME FORWARD WITH IS THE NOTION THAT, UH, DOCUMENTATION AND IN 1936, DURING THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR, UH, FAIR PARK, IT WAS, THE CHARACTER WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THERE WAS A LOT MORE GOING ON AROUND THE LAGOON.

UH, AND WHILE WE DON'T ANTICIPATE DOING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS NECESSARILY AROUND THE LAGOON, THIS DOES REPRESENT AN ADDITIONAL, UH, ACTIVITY.

SOMETHING THAT WE EXPECT TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE AND BRING MORE, UH, MORE PEOPLE DOWN TO ENJOY THE PARK.

AND FELT LIKE, BECAUSE IT WAS, IN ADDITION, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE ANY, UH, BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH,

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UH, THE FULL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH IS, UH, COMING IN THE NEXT CYCLE.

AND, AND SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, OTHERWISE, I'M SURE THE COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE SOME, OH, WHO WISHES TO GO FIRST? COMMISSIONER REEVES WILL START US OFF.

DO YOU KNOW MR. ALSTON? HE IS BEEN PRACTICING IN DALLAS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

I I KNOW HIS OFFICE.

WHAT, I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE COLOR.

OKAY.

I KNOW THAT THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL IDEA.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IF IT COMES IN A PALE OR SHADE? UH, THE, THE QUICK ANSWER IS NO.

I, I HAVE AN IDEA THAT THE, THE ACTUAL CAROUSEL YOU SEE IS MORE THAN CONCEPTUAL.

THAT IS AN, A UNIT THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT, I, I'M, I'M REPRESENT FAIR PARK FIRST, BUT ZOO OCEANARIUM, WHO RUNS THE AQUARIUM IS ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK.

AND THAT IS A UNIT, UH, THAT THEY HAVE SELECTED.

IT'S MANUFACTURED IN CHINA NOW BECAUSE OF A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE'S GETTING A LOT OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION ON IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.

IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT THAT WILL CHANGE, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME LOCAL MANUFACTURERS THAT MAY, UH, MAY, MAY BE A, A BETTER OPTION.

UH, AND, AND SO, UH, BUT OTHERWISE THE COLORS ARE PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU SEE.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO PASS THAT CONCERN ALONG AND SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY OR A WILLINGNESS TO DO SO.

IS IT PLASTIC? I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M, I'M, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A PLASTIC FOR SOME KIND OF A REINFORCED FIBERGLASS MATERIAL, I'M SURE.

UH, COMMISSIONER PER, YES.

SO WE HEARD IN THE, THE STAFF OR THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, UM, A DA COMPLIANCE MM-HMM.

AND OPERATOR AREA BOOTH OR WHATEVER.

RIGHT.

AND, UH, IS THERE GONNA BE FENCING AROUND THIS AS WELL? WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THIS BESIDES JUST THE CAROUSEL? RIGHT.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE REGULAR C OF A, UH, THE ONLY THING AT THIS POINT THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IS, UH, AND, AND I, IT WAS WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE, THIS ONE A, A MONTH AGO.

UH, BUT IT IS NOW CLEAR THAT IT WILL, THERE WILL, IT WILL OPERATE DURING THE HOURS THAT THE AQUARIUM IS OPEN, AND IT WILL BE A SEPARATE ADMISSION CHARGE TO GET THERE.

SO THERE WILL BE FENCING AROUND IT, BE A RAILING AROUND IT TO BOTH FOR, UH, AND IT WILL OPERATE DURING THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS.

THIS, THIS HAS BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE STATE FAIR, AND THEY'RE VERY HAPPY AND, AND AGREEABLE TO HAVING ANO SOMEBODY ELSE'S RIDE ON THE, UH, ON THE PARK.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT, THAT THAT'S HAPPENED.

THE ONLY THING LIKE THAT THAT'S EVER HAPPENED.

UM, AND SO IT'S GONNA HAVE, IT'S GONNA HAVE CROWD CONTROL.

IT'S KINDA A QUEUING SPACE AND, UM, AND SOME CROWD CONTROL, UH, STUFF LIKE THAT THAT WILL BE SHOWN COMING UP.

AND I EXPECT IT ALL TO BE BEHIND THE, THE, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE RAILING, ALL THE QUEUING SPACE AND STUFF WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO HAPPEN BACK UNDER THE TREE.

WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT APPEARANCE FROM THE LAGOON SIDE.

BEST WE CAN.

MR. SHERMAN, UM, I'VE BEEN TO THE AQUARIUM.

I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.

MY GRANDKIDS ARE HAPPY THERE.

MM-HMM.

.

I CAN SEE HOW HAVING A LITTLE AMUSEMENT AREA OTHER THAN JUST PLAY SPACE OR RUNNING SPACE, FOR EXAMPLE, SLIDES AND WHATEVER, THAT THIS MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE TO BENEFIT THE ACCORDION AND ENHANCE ANYTHING.

I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPEARANCE, UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, I HATE TO LABEL IT, BUT AT FIRST GLANCE, I FELT LIKE IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A CHUCK E CHEESE THAN A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND I, I LOVE CAROUSELS.

I LOVE THE OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE AT FAIR PARK, BUT I THINK IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WERE TO GO THERE FOR ME TO FIND IT APPROPRIATE, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE IT IN A MORE HISTORIC TYPE OF PRESENTATION WITH MU MORE MU YOU KNOW, UM, PRETTY BUT MORE MUTED COLORS, LESS, LESS PRIMARY AND, UM, MORE AUTHENTIC WITH THEM.

UM, THIS, THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY SAID TOO MUCH ABOUT HOW IT MAKES ME FEEL, BUT I WANNA HAVE MORE OF A WARM, FUZZY FEEL ABOUT IT.

OKAY.

I'LL PASS THAT ALONG.

IT IS MUCH SMALLER, OF COURSE, THAN THE HISTORICAL, WE HAVE AROUND THE CORNER THERE.

THIS IS ONLY 28 FEET IN DIAMETER, SO IT'S, IT'S CAROUSELS GO.

IT'S PRETTY SMALL.

I'LL ABSOLUTELY SHARE THAT THOUGHT FOR YOU WITH THE APPLICANT.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON?

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YES.

I'D LIKE TO KIND OF BRING UP THE DISCUSSION OF BRINGING IN THINGS THAT ARE NOT NORMALLY IN THE HISTORICAL PART OF FAIR PARK.

UM, I THINK THIS AREA IS VERY CALM AND QUIET AND I THINK THE WHOLE, UM, LAGOON HAS A SPECIAL FEELING TO IT.

ARE THERE ANY MORE IDEAS OF BRINGING MORE AMUSEMENT RIDES INTO THE HISTORIC PARK? I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS, THIS IS, I CERTAINLY IS NOT, BUT IF I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS WHETHER BRINGING AMUSEMENT RIDES INTO THE ART DECO HISTORIC PARK IS APPROPRIATE, IS THERE GONNA BE MORE OF THAT? ARE WE GONNA START LEAKING AND HAVING, UH, AMUSEMENT RIDES OTHER PLACES? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY THE VISION FOR FAIR PARK.

MAYBE THIS IS OKAY.

BUT IT'S, IT'S SORT OF BRINGS UP THE QUESTION OF WHAT ARE, ARE WE LEAKING THE, THE MIDWAY OUT INTO THE REST OF THE PARK TO TRY TO GET THE COME OR WHAT'S THE DEAL? WELL, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I'M HERE TODAY.

THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS I ANTICIPATED, UH, WITH THE INTERJECTION OF A, OF A NEW, A NEW ITEM LIKE THIS.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE ARE NO OTHER RIDE PLANNED.

AGAIN, STATE FAIR OF TEXAS IS QUITE, UH, JEALOUS OF THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY'RE VERY HIGHLY CONTROLLED IN DOING THAT.

I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER PLANS TO DO.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS PRESSING THE OTHER TENANTS AND, AND, UH, UH, MANAGEMENT FOR THAT MATTER, BECAUSE PERHAPS LET'S GET A, A LONG-TERM VISION FOR THE LAGOON.

UM, 'CAUSE YOU'RE CORRECT, AS I'VE SAID EARLIER, THIS, THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WHAT WE'VE COME TO KNOW AT THE LAGOON, BUT WHAT WE'VE COME TO KNOW AT THE LAGOON ISN'T WHAT THE LAGOON WAS HISTORICALLY.

YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION, I THINK THERE IS A PLACE HERE FOR SOME EVOLUTION OF THAT, UH, OF THAT VISION OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH IT.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSION AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THE SHORT AS THE LONG ANSWER, I'M SORRY, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.

I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER THAT ANYBODY, BOTH THAT VINCENT TALK PERHAPS A PLAYGROUND, BUT NOT RIGHT ON THE, IT WOULD BE OVER TO THE SIDE.

MR. ROCKEN, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE WHO'S BEEN TRYING TO GET MY ATTENTION AND FAILED? OKAY.

MR. ROCKEN, I, I'LL JUST SHARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE COLORS AND, AND JUST HOW IT WOULD STAND OUT.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SHOWN IN THE PICTURE, IS THAT HOW IT'S PLANNED TO BE PLACED? JUST SIT ON THE GROUND AS PROPOSED, JUST KIND OF LEFT THERE.

UM, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF AN ODD QUESTION, BUT I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE I'M GONNA PUT IT.

I'M GONNA SET IT ON THE GROUND AND, UH, YEAH.

AND, AND WE WILL, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A, A SMALL CONCRETE PAD UNDERNEATH.

OKAY.

TO TAKE THE, TAKE THE EQUIPMENT.

YEAH.

UH, THERE, THE MACHINERY IS AT THE BOTTOM, UH, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT AT THE, IN THE CENTER, UH, WE, WE WERE ANTICIPATING, I'M ANTICIPATING, UM, AS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, A UH, A, UH, A POROUS PAVING, IF YOU WILL, IF WE CAN DO THE CRUSH GRANITE KIND OF, UH, UH, SIDEWALK, UH, THING TO GIVE ACCESS TO IT.

THAT'S OUR PREFERENCE, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE, UH, THERE'S SOME PRETTY IMPORTANT TREES AROUND THIS, AND WE ARE BEING VERY CAREFUL ABOUT ITS LOCATION AND, AND MINIMIZING ANY IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON THOSE TREES.

UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, THE ONLY THINGS THAT COME WITH IT ARE A RAILING.

UH, AND, AND, AND WHATEVER, AGAIN, AS AS LITTLE FOOT TRAFFIC AREA AS WE CAN THINK, WE CAN JUSTIFY.

YEAH.

THE, THE REASON I ASK IS I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE TO SIT THERE KIND OF AS IT'S SHOWN IN THIS PICTURE, I KNOW IT'S JUST A RENDERING.

IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE FARE GOT UP AND LEFT AND JUST LEFT THAT BEHIND .

AND SO I, I THINK IF IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, IF IT, IF IT IS APPROVED, WHATEVER DESIGN ULTIMATELY COMES BEFORE IT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS THERE, RIGHT.

RATHER THAN JUST BEING PLACED THERE HAPHAZARDLY.

UM, AND SO AGAIN, DESIGN, MAKING IT LOOK APPROPRIATE IN ITS LOCATION.

OKAY.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

VERY GOOD.

I NEED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PUT INTO THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER TWELL LIVINGSTON HAS JOINED US ONLINE.

UH, HE WASN'T HERE FOR ROLL CALL, BUT NOW HE'S HERE LISTENING.

LET'S TALK ABOUT CARE CAROUSEL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE CAROUSEL COMMISSIONER ? UH, YEAH, SO WHEN YOU COME BACK, I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT YOU GIVE US A, UM, RENDERING OR SOMETHING SHOWING THE CAROUSEL IN RELATION TO THE TREES AND THE BUILDINGS SO THAT WE CAN SEE THAT INSTEAD OF JUST THE PLAN.

SO WE CAN SEE THE HEIGHT AND HOW IT WORKS UNDERNEATH THE TREE CANOPY AND ALL THAT.

WELL, INDEED, AND FOR THE FULL ONE, WE, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT AS WE SPEAK.

SO, UH, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS OF A NORMAL C OF A AND WE'LL HAVE THAT, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING ALL THAT INFORMATION READY.

GREAT.

MADAM CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER OFFIT.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

UH, ONE, THANK YOU FOR

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CONTINUING TO TRY TO KEEP FAIR PARK ALIVE, AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS POINTED OUT, IT'S JUST AT THE LAGOON, PARTICULAR IS JUST AN EMPTY SPACE.

UM, AND I, I'M AN OLD GUY, SO GOING BACK 65, 70 YEARS AGO, THE LAGOON USED TO BE AN EXCITING PLACE TO GO TO AS OPPOSED TO A PLACE THAT ESSENTIALLY JUST COLLECTS TRASH IN THE SETTING THERE.

UM, SO ANYTHING THAT CAN ENHANCE AND STAY WITHIN THE CHARACTER, UH, AND HISTORY AT FAIR PARK, I THINK IS A GREAT MOVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER OFFIT, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, I WAS WONDERING, 'CAUSE I'D SEEN SOME OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR, UM, UH, AQUARIUMS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT NORTH AMERICA, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE MIGHT BE THE IDEA OF ENCASING THIS INSIDE OF A, A STRUCTURE, UH, AGAIN, TO, I KNOW YOU'D MENTIONED THAT BEING OPEN DURING THE SAME HOURS THAT THE, THE AQUARIUM IS, OR YEAH, THEN THE AQUARIUM, BUT THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF LIN WEATHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE AND, UH, POTENTIALLY THE STRUCTURE COULD LOOK MORE LIKE IT FITS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WELL, AND THE ANSWER IS, IS IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WHAT WE WOULD THINK OF AS A PHASE TWO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UH, HE, HE, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A COVER STRUCTURE.

IF YOU, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THE, THE LARGE HISTORIC, UH, CAROUSEL ON THE MIDWAY WAS PROTECTED, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THEY WERE, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING JUST TO HELP PROTECT THE INVESTMENT ANYWAY.

AND TO MAKE IT MORE OF AN ALL WEATHER FACILITY.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS ENVISIONED IT BEING ENCLOSED, BUT HAVING A A, A SECONDARY, A LARGER ROOF OVER THE TOP OF IT IS SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.

IF ONE, THERE'S ROOM AND TWO, THERE'S, UM, AND TWO, IF THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL AND DEMAND REMAINS TO, TO USE IT, THE TREES LIMIT WHERE WE CAN PUT IT.

AND HOW FAR BACK I, I WOULD PUT IT BACK ON THE BACK OF THAT, THAT, THAT EMPTY LOT IF I COULD.

BUT THE BIGGEST TREES ARE BACK THAT WAY.

WE HAVE TO PUSH IT OUT TOWARDS ITS .

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WHO IS THE OPERATOR OF THIS, I MEAN, YOU ARE CERTAINLY REPRESENTING FAIR PARK FIRST.

YEAH.

BUT IS THIS THE AQUARIUM? IS THIS AN INDIVIDUAL ENTITY THAT'S LIKE A RESTAURATEUR, I MEAN, THAT'S MANAGING THIS? OR IS IT GONNA BE, IS THE APPLICATION COMING FROM THE AQUARIUM? YES, THE, THE AQUARIUM, IF YOU MAY, ARE PROBABLY AWARE, UH, WE SECURED A NEW OPERATOR FOR THE AQUARIUM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OR LONGER AFTER.

DURING COVID WHEN, WHEN IT HAD CLOSED ORIGINALLY.

ZOO OCEAN AREA OUT OF ST.

LOUIS IS, UH, UH, RUNNING IT NOW.

AND THEY'VE HAD REMARKABLE SUCCESS.

THEY, AND, AND THEIR FACILITY IN ST.

LOUIS IS ALSO VERY HIGHLY REGARDED, AND THEY ALSO HAVE ONE OF THESE UP THERE.

AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S VERY POSITIVE THEY WANTED TO ADD IT HERE.

SO IT IS THE AQUARIUM.

THE AQUARIUM WILL RUN IT.

THEY, THEY WILL PUT IT IN, THEY'LL PAY FOR IT, AND THEY WILL MAN IT AND OPERATE IT.

ALRIGHT.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN PERFORMING YOUR JOB, WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS, YOU CAN TELL 'EM ALL ABOUT HOW WE WANNA KNOW MORE DETAILS ABOUT EXACTLY HOW IT RELATES TO EVERYTHING.

MM-HMM.

, I'D REALLY, UH, MENTION TO THEM THAT A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT COLOR THING.

I PARTICULARLY AM SCARED TO DEATH BY THOSE YELLOW STARFISH.

THEY'RE JUST SO YELLOW , THEY JUST SCREAM AT ME.

SO THEY MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER THAT IF THIS IS THE ONLY VERSION OF THIS CAROUSEL THAT, THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, COMMITTING TO THAT MIGHT, MIGHT PROVE DELAYING TO THEM IN THE FUTURE.

ARE YOU TRYING TO GET THIS UP FOR THE FAIR THIS YEAR, OR, THE ANSWER IS YES.

AND, AND, AND THE, THE NOTE IS THAT IT'S A VERY ENERGETIC, UH, APPLICANT.

UM, THEY CERTAINLY, LIKE, THEY CAN, AND SO WE'RE STACKING THEM.

NOTHING, NOTHING GETS DONE AT FAIR PARK ON A SLOW SCHEDULE.

EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THEY, THEY HURRY A LOT.

OKAY.

JUST, I, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO LET THEM KNOW WE, WE HAD MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE COLORS, AND IF THERE'S NO WAY TO CHANGE THEM, I MEAN, MAYBE YOU COULD SANDBLAST IT WHEN IT GETS HERE TO MAKE IT LESS BRIGHT.

BUT , I, I SUSPECT THAT, THAT THERE, THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE.

AND, AND, AND THEY'LL BE AGREEABLE TO WORK WITH US ANYWAY.

THEY PHY PHYSICALLY CAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS ADDITION, AS IS THE STATE FAIR.

EVERYBODY THINKS THIS IS A GREAT ADDITION THEN, THEN LET 'EM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF US THINK A CAROUSEL IS A NICE IDEA.

THEY WANNA KNOW SOME MORE DETAILS AND HAS THE TONE DOWN THE BRIGHTNESS SUIT

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.

OKAY.

SO IT IT'S NOT QUITE LIKE THAT.

WE'LL NOT BE ISSUING SHADES.

WE'LL, WE WILL FIX IT.

YEAH.

WE, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE FINE.

ANY OTHER PARTING WORDS FOR MR. TON? CAN I HAVE A PARTING WORD? I GUESS I WOULD, AND I KNOW IT WOULD TAKE POSTING AND ALL, BUT I'LL, I'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE THE COMMISSION DOWN TO A TOUR OF FAIR PARK AT SOME TIME TO CATCH THEM UP ON WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT IT'S, WHAT IS HAPPENING.

AS YOU KNOW, WE CONDUCT MONTHLY TOURS ALREADY, AND THEN A IN A, IN A TRAM.

AND I'M HERE TODAY TO OFFER THAT TO THE COMMISSION AT SOME POINT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE YOUR OWN, UH, TWO HOUR TOUR OF FAIR PARK OOH, MOTORIZED TOUR, THEN I'M, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THAT'S HOW PEOPLE ENDED UP ON GILLIGANS ISLAND.

A TWO HOUR TOUR.

, THAT'S NOT, IT'S A THREE HOUR TOUR.

OKAY.

THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT, THREE'S NOT THERE FOREVER.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

WE CUT IT TO TWO BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANY THREE HOUR TOUR.

OKAY.

WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO WORK THROUGH STAFF TOO TO MAKE SURE WE COULD ARRANGE SOMETHING AND YOU TO TELL 'EM YOU WANNA DO IT.

COME ON OUT.

WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU.

ALL RIGHTY.

NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO COURTESY.

WE DO NUMBER TWO, WHICH HAS OKAY.

STAFF.

YES.

COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER 2 7 0 6 HUNTLEY STREET, GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CR 2 3 400 0 5 CM.

CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF.

REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A PROTRUDING FRONT PORCH ON A MAIN STRUCTURE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A PROTRUDING FRONT PORCH ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, SUPPORTIVE AND APPROVED CONCEPTUAL PROPOSAL.

AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS.

AARON KARTEN.

GREG CARTON.

YES.

ONE OF THE PEOPLE HERE PHYSICALLY ARE THAT, AND I DON'T SEE HIM ONLINE.

HE'S ONLINE.

I SAW HIM TWICE.

UM, I'LL PULL UP THE DOCKET JUST IN CASE HE NEEDS ME TO, YES.

HELLO? OKAY, THERE HE IS.

THIS IS AARON KARTEN.

HI THERE.

WE NEED YOU TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AGAIN AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN PROMISE THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL US THE TRUTH.

AARON KARTEN 7 2 1 RIDGEWAY STREET IN DALLAS.

I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.

THANK YOU.

UH, SO, UM, YOU, WHATEVER YOU WISH TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, WE'LL BE TIMING YOU.

OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THIS IS A UNUSUAL SCENARIO, UH, TO SUGGEST ALTERING THE FRONT FACADE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

BUT, UM, THIS IS A UNUSUAL HOUSE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME WITH THIS CURSORY REVIEW TO GIVE YOU, UH, THIS HOUSE'S HISTORY IN A NUTSHELL, JUST LIKE THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK, THIS HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN THE 1920S ORIGINALLY AS A SINGLE STORY HOUSE BY THE 1950S, AND I HOPE YOU CAN SEE WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN, BUT BY THE 1950S, THE SECOND STORY EDITION, AS WE SEE IT TODAY, HAD ALREADY BEEN BUILT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS EDITION WAS DONE IN A VERY INSENSITIVE WAY.

THEY SIMPLY FOLLOWED THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LOWER LEVEL, UM, AND IT IRREVERSIBLY ERASED THE HOUSE'S ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE AND STYLING.

AND IT'S OPPRESSIVE.

TWO STORY NATURE THAT WE STILL EXPERIENCE TODAY, NO LONGER FITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT.

AND SO WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING IN THIS COURTESY REVIEW IS TO REINTRODUCE A PROJECTING FRONT PORCH.

I SAY REINTRODUCE BECAUSE WE KNOW FROM THE 1920S SANBORN MAP THAT IT ORIGINALLY HAD A PROJECTING, UH, PORCH SIMILAR FOOTPRINT TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.

UM, AND LET ME PULL THAT UP.

AND SO IN DOING THIS, THIS PORCH, I THINK WE ACHIEVED THREE THINGS TO MAKE IT MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

FIRST, WE WOULD BE, OF COURSE, REINTRODUCING THE PORCH THAT ORIGINALLY HAD, AS WELL AS MIMICKING THE OTHER PORCHES THAT WE SEE ON THE BLOCK, MOST NOTABLY THE HOUSE TO ITS RIGHT SIDE.

YOU SEE THAT HERE ON THE SCREEN.

UM, AND THIS, THIS PORCH WOULD IMMEDIATELY ALLOW THE HOUSE TO BETTER FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SECOND, WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS PORCH TO REINTRODUCE AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE TO THE HOUSE.

UM, AND THAT THE PORCH ITSELF WILL BE, YOU KNOW, STYLED AND, AND REALLY SET THE TONE FOR THE REST OF THE HOUSE.

CURRENTLY, THE HOUSE IS VERY CONFUSED, UH, DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT STYLE IT IS, HAS NO COHESIVENESS TO IT.

AND FINALLY, THIS PORCH WILL MAKE THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE MORE APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE SECOND STORY WILL FEEL LESS OPPRESSIVE.

UH, WE SEE THAT ESSENTIALLY IN THE, THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF

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IT, HOW IT HAS, IT'S A TWO STORY STRUCTURE, BUT HAS A, UM, PROTRUDING SINGLE STORY FRONT PORCH.

UH, THAT VERY MUCH HELPS WITH THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE.

I HAD, UM, SHOWN, I HAD SHOWN A SLIGHT REVISION TO THE CONCEPT TO THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS IN WHICH WE, WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE A THIRD COLUMN.

UH, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PROPOSE, UM, BUT, AND, AND KIND OF CHANGE THE STYLING OF THE, THE, THE COLUMNS TO HAVE WOOD POST WITH ON A BRICK BASE.

BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, TASK FORCE SEEMED TO BE VERY RECEPTIVE TO THE ENTIRE CONCEPT, UM, AND GAVE REALLY ENTIRELY POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

I THINK EVERYONE REALIZES THAT THIS HOUSE IS UNUSUAL, HAS AN UNUSUAL HISTORY, UM, AND THAT IT NEEDS SOME SORT OF THOUGHTFUL INTERVENTION, EVEN IF THAT MEANS WE NEED TO ALTER THE FRONT OF IT.

SO THANK YOU.

AND I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I NEED TO NOTE THAT OUR CPC, UM, MEMBER LIAISON JOANNA HAMPTON HAS JOINED US TOO.

AND MR. DI CARAN, IF YOU EVER HAVE A SANBORN MAP, YOU SHOULD SUBMIT IT TO US BECAUSE WE LOVE SANDBORN MAPS THAT WE SEND THEM OURSELVES.

, I'LL BE SURE TO THAT.

YES, I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.

I HAVE IT.

I CAN SHARE, BUT THERE, THERE'S NOTHING MAKES US HAPPIER THAN TO SEE A SANDBORN MAP THAT SHOWS AN ASPECT OF WHAT WE'RE QUESTIONING.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, I WILL SHARE THE MAP, RIGHT? OH, WE'RE GONNA PUT THE SANDBORN MAP NOW.

YES.

AND THEN COMMISSIONERS WILL ASK THEIR QUESTIONS OF OUR APPLICANT.

OKAY.

I HAVE BOTH OF THEM.

THIS ONE IS FROM 1921 TO 1952.

THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE STRUCTURE WE'RE SPEAKING OF, WHICH LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE ONE FROM THE 1921.

AND IT'S MUCH MORE CLEAR TO SEE.

SO HERE IT IS, 7 0 6 HUNTLEY, UH, SINGLE STORY WITH THE PORCH THAT HE WAS INDICATING.

OKIE DOKIE.

THANK YOU FOR FINDING THAT FOR US.

AS I SAID, WE ALL JUST LOVE THEM.

I PREFER THEM WHEN THEY HAVE THE PAINT AND COLORS TO INDICATE THEM.

JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT MAKE ME HAPPY, .

GOTCHA.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT.

UH, THERE IS A CONCRETE PAD THERE.

I CALL IT A TERRACE.

IT'S NOT REALLY COVERED PORCH.

IS THAT CONCRETE WORK SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN LEFT FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND MAYBE THE ORIGINAL PORCH? I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE, YES.

IT'S CERTAINLY OF THE STYLING THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD SEE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THE NEW PORCH GOING TO SIT ON THE OLD PORCH FOUNDATION OR THE WHAT? THE CONCRETE THAT'S THERE.

THE ORIGINAL CONCRETE, YES.

THE INTENTION IS TO STILL HAVE A CONCRETE PATIO.

UM, THE QUESTION WILL BE FROM A CONSTRUCTABILITY STANDPOINT, CURRENTLY, THERE'S, THERE'S AN INSET PORCH THAT WAS CREATED AS PART OF THAT ADDITION BACK IN THE 1950S.

CAN THAT INSET PORCH, THE, THE WALLS OF IT BE REMOVED, UM, AND WHAT DOES THAT DO IN TERMS OF WHAT PATCHWORK IS NEEDED FOR THAT CONCRETE PATIO? BUT, UM, YES, IT'S, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE A CONCRETE PORCH.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE DESIGN INTENT.

I, I'M NOT QUITE IF I GOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.

SO THE CONCRETE THAT'S THERE, IS THE PORCH GONNA BE IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION AS THE CONCRETE THAT'S THERE TODAY? YES.

UH, I MEAN, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

THE, THE, THE CONCRETE PATIO THAT YOU SEE, AND I HOPE YOU CAN SEE, WELL, I GUESS YOU CAN'T SEE MY IMAGE ANYMORE, BUT IT DOES EXTEND A LITTLE BIT BEYOND, UH, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PORCH.

OKAY.

SO IF I'M TRYING TO BOIL THIS DOWN, WE HAVE AN OLD HOUSE THAT HAD A PORCH.

THE PORCH WAS TAKEN OFF, YOU PUT A SECOND FLOOR ON THE OLD HOUSE, AND NOW WE WANNA A PORCH BACK WHERE IT WAS BEFORE TO MAKE IT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER.

IS THAT YES, SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO, UM, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE SOUNDBOARD MAP, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE CONCRETE HERE WAS A, UM, THE, THE EXISTING CONCRETE THAT EX THAT, UH, WORKS AS A TERRACE, UM, IS IN A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION.

UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, ON THE MAP IT DIDN'T CONTINUE ALL THE WAY TO THE SECOND DOOR TO THAT, UM, EXTENSION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE IMAGE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF TORN WITH THE GEOMETRY OF, OF HOW ALL THOSE PIECES COME TOGETHER BECAUSE, UH, YES, THE GABLE IS CENTERED ON THE FRONT DOOR, BUT IT DOESN'T CENTER ON THE PORCH, AND THEN IT LEAVES THE SECOND DOOR IN THE BACK, SORT OF THREE QUARTERS COVERED AND NOT ALL THE WAY COVERED.

SO, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

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UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT, IT'S STILL TROUBLED THE WAY, UH, THE WAY ALL THE GEOMETRY WORKS.

I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE EFFORT THAT YOU WENT TO, TO, TO GET THIS FAR, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE THERE YET.

UM, AND I WAS WONDERING IF, UM, IF THERE HAD BEEN OTHER STUDIES OR IF YOU WERE OPEN TO, TO LOOKING AT A, A DIFFERENT WAY TO COVER THE ENTIRE TERRACE INSTEAD OF, UH, MOST OF IT .

YES.

AND OF COURSE THERE'S STILL MUCH TO BE DONE TO WORK THROUGH AN ACTUAL DESIGN, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT PERFECT YET.

AND CERTAINLY HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE DOOR AROUND THE CORNER, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT, UM, REMEDIATION OF THE CONCRETE PORCH THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN INEVITABLY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE SAME, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO RETHINK WHAT THAT FOOTPRINT IS, TO GET IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT AND THEN YOU JUST SIMPLY HAVE STEPS GOING UP TO THAT SIDE DOOR? UM, I THINK, I THINK PERHAPS THAT COULD BE A, A VERY APPROPRIATE SOLUTION.

UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF HOW THE, THE OVERHANG INTERACTS WITH THAT SIDE DOOR, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH TO SEE IF WE CAN, UM, MASSAGE THAT A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

UM, I, THE VICE CHAIR AND I WERE JUST DISCUSSING A QUESTION I'D LIKE TO VERIFY.

DID YOU SAY THOSE ARCHES IN THE BRICK SORT OF TERY, REALLY LOW POINTED TERY, THOSE WERE PART OF THE ADDITION WHEN THEY BUILT THE SECOND STORY AND YOU'RE THINKING OF TAKING THEM OUT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, AND YOU SEE THAT IT DIDN'T ORIGINALLY HAVE THE INSET PORCH, UM, AND THE SANDBORN MAP.

AND SO I THINK THOSE WERE, THAT WALL WITH THOSE ARCHES WERE ADDED TO CARRY THE, THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, FOOTPRINT UP ABOVE.

OKAY.

STAFF.

AND IT'S, DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN THE CA? IT WILL NEED TO BE, BUT THIS IS JUST A COURTESY.

OH YEAH, THIS IS COURTESY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE DEMOLITION DRAWINGS OF COURSE, AND THE, AND THE ATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION, BUT YES, WE WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT.

UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY CONFUSED.

THEY INTRODUCED THE, THESE ARCHES, BUT THEN THE REST OF THE HOUSE ISN'T A TUTOR.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST A MESS THAT WAS COMMENTED UPON IN THE BRIEFING THAT THE, THIS HOUSE WORE MANY STYLES AND THAT GETS RID OF ONE OF THEM AT LEAST, SO THAT THEY'LL BE LESS CONFUSED.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY OR COMMENTS? ACTUALLY? ANY ADVICE? DO WE LIKE IT OR NOT? , TO PUT IT BLUNTLY, SHALL WE TELL OUR APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD FORESEE? YES, PLEASE DO.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

ARE THE, UM, EXPOSED RAFTER, UM, ON THE, ON THE OVERHANG, ARE THOSE EXISTING, OR IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT A OPEN SOFFIT OR IS IT A CLOSED SOFFIT? YES, THE, IT, IT HAS RAPTOR TAILS.

IT'S OPEN.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

BECAUSE ONE THING I WAS WONDERING IS IF IT SHOULD BE A HIP, UH, PORCH, AND THAT WAY IT MIGHT TURN THE CORNER MORE EASILY, BUT, UM, I KNOW YOU STILL HAVE SOME, SOME STUDIES YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, SO YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT.

UM, AND, AND IT WOULD BE ATYPICAL FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE IT LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK IT, IT ESSENTIALLY NEEDS TO BE MORE OR LESS LIKE WE'VE PROPOSED.

BUT IF THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA SEE, THEN BY ALL MEANS, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT FEEDBACK.

A A COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT THE, IF WE'RE GOING WITH CRAFTS, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD, THEN THE GABLE PORCH IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND ALSO KIND OF MATCHES WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BLOCK.

THE HIP MAY IN THEORY WORK A LITTLE BETTER, BUT ARCHITECTURALLY WOULD BE AWKWARD, I THINK, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY.

SO THEY'RE BOTH GOOD AND BOTH BAD.

YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE YOU THINK WE END UP LIKING BEST.

OKAY.

ANY MORE COMMENTS? REMEMBER THIS IS WHERE WE HELP.

CAN I, CAN I ASK TO ASK FOR HELP QUESTION? UM, WOULD IT BE RECEPTIVE TO IF, IF IT'S, IF IT COMES TO THIS TO RETHINK THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PATIO, STILL HAVE A CONCRETE PATIO, BUT TO FOLLOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED PORCH? AND SO, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT THE, THE CONCRETE, THE RAISED CONCRETE PATIO WOULD NOT EXTEND AROUND THE CORNER TO THAT, THAT SIDE DOOR.

UM, AND PERHAPS

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THAT WOULD BE A MORE COHESIVE, UM, UH, SOLUTION.

UM, AND, AND ALSO HELP WITH THE CONSTRUCTABILITY IF, IF A LOT OF THE EXISTING PORCH GETS KIND OF MESSED UP DURING CONSTRUCTION, IT SEEMS TO BE WHAT PEOPLE ARE NODDING THEIR HEADS AT.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

YEAH.

AND I THINK YOU, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, MAYBE JUST A SMALL SET OF STAIRS AND A LANDING TO GET TO THE SIDE DOOR, PERHAPS A, A SMALL, UH, AWNING ON IT.

BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, HELP RESOLVE THE GEOMETRY AND, AND REALLY THAT, THAT DOOR PERHAPS COULD EVEN, UM, IF IT HELPS WITH, WITH HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE, THE PORSCHE OVERHANG, IF, IF THAT CHANGES TO FROM A DOOR TO A WINDOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS AT ALL, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.

WE USUALLY TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KEEP THE SECOND DOOR.

THEY USUALLY WANT TO GET RID OF IT, BUT SO WE, WE ALREADY HAVE, YEAH, WE ALREADY HAVE TWO DOORS ON THE, ON THE FRONT PORCH .

SO THIS IS LIKE OUR, OUR THIRD DOOR.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LOTS OF MEANS OF EGRESS.

YES.

EMERGENCY.

ISN'T THAT A COMFORTING THING FOR THE PEOPLE INSIDE? ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S OUR COMMENTS FOR NOW.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY AND, UM, HAVE REACHED SOME AGREEMENTS WITH SOME PEOPLE.

YOU ALL ABOUT WHAT THEY'D, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO ASK US AHEAD OF TIME INSTEAD OF DRAWING UP ALL THE PLANS AND THEN SAYING, BUT I ALREADY DREW ALL THE PLANS.

OKAY.

COURTESY REVIEW THREE, STEPH.

OKAY.

COURTESY REVIEW.

ITEM THREE CURRENTLY BEING PRESENTED BY DR.

RHONDA DONN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 1 2 SOUTH CLIFF STREET AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH ZERO SEVEN RD.

THE REQUEST IS AS FOLLOWS, FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW.

NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT BOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.

TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.

NUMBER ONE FOUNDATION SHOULD NOT BE CONCRETE SLAB ON GRADE NUMBER TWO, LOT SHOULD NOT BE LEVELED.

UH, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS BRANDON WARD, COME ON UP TO THE MIC.

OH, THIS MICROPHONE WE USUALLY USE, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT WE DO.

HELLO? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

OKAY, IT'S ON.

SO I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FIRST.

OKAY.

MY NAME IS BRANDON WARD.

MY ADDRESS IS 8 5 0 5 CHAPEL RIDGE COURT.

OKAY.

7 5 2 4 9.

AND YOU, YOU, YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? I DO.

I KNEW YOU WOULD.

OKAY.

UH, SO YOU, UM, YOU GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

OKAY? OKAY.

SO, UH, THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.

I'VE, UM, CONSTRUCTED A HOUSE IN THE FORT WORTH HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL, UH, BUT NONE OTHER THAN MY LOVELY CITY OF DALLAS.

SO, UH, I'M EXCITED TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT.

UH, THIS IS A TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH.

UH, IT'S ABOUT 1600 SQUARE FEET AND IT SITS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF CLIFF STREET.

I, UH, LISTENED IN ON THE MEETING EARLIER, ON THE NOTES EARLIER, AND I'VE ALREADY ADDED WINDOWS.

OH, OKAY.

YES, YOUR WINDOWS UP THERE.

OKAY.

IT'S UPDATED.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ASKED REGARDING THE, UH, SLAB AND THE LEVEL OF THE SLAB.

THE PORCH IS ALL LEVEL, UH, WITH, WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE.

THE LAP SIDING JUST COMES DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES.

ON THE OUTSIDE, THE COLUMNS HAVE BEEN UPDATED AS WELL TO SHOW, UH, THE WOODEN COLUMNS WITH THE LIGHTS ON.

OKAY.

IS THAT, ARE YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS NOW OR DID YOU HAVE YES, I'M READY FOR QUESTIONS.

TELL US, AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US EARLIER

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AND SO QUICKLY RESPONDING.

NOT EVERYBODY'S ABLE TO DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO SEE THE COLUMNS A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY? I, UM, LET'S SEE.

THEY'RE JUST STRAIGHT SEATED COLUMNS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

YEAH, THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU SAW THIS MORNING.

YES.

IT'S BEEN REVISED.

I MADE THE UPDATES.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE VERY EFFICIENT, .

UM, SO A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UM, ONE THING I WAS WONDERING IS TYPICALLY, OR REMIND ME IF IT'S TYPICAL TO, UM, ADD LIGHTING DIRECTLY TO THE COLUMNS RATHER THAN THE BUILDING FACE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT BY THE FRONT DOOR INSTEAD OF OUT ON THE, THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES.

I, I THINK THEY MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE THERE, OR LIKE A SINGLE LIGHT AT THE, UM, AT THE DOOR.

NOW THERE WILL BE LIGHTING ON THE FRONT PORCH ON THE CEILING.

UH, THIS JUST ADDS THE FLAIR THAT I BELIEVE IT BRINGS TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD SOME DISTINCTION, BUT I, I THINK THEY, THEY FEEL A LITTLE INAPPROPRIATE THERE, JUST IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.

OKAY.

SO YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THAT I PUT THEM, UH, DIRECTLY ON THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF YEAH.

ON, ON THE FACE OF THE BUILDING RATHER THAN ON THE COLUMNS OF SOME.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER OSI? OH, YES.

I'M ASKING HIM.

HE TURNED HIS MICROPHONE OFF, BUT HE WAS STILL THINKING .

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO SECOND.

SO SECONDLY, UM, THE, UM, THE BALUSTRADE ON THE, UH, ON THE PORCH ITSELF, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DETAILED EXACTLY THE WAY YOU INTEND IT, BUT ALL THE BALLISTERS ACTUALLY HIT THE PORCH FLOOR RATHER THAN BEING CAUGHT BY A, UM, BY A BOTTOM STRINGER.

NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THAT THE, UH, STRINGER WILL BE ABOUT FOUR TO SIX INCHES FROM THE BOTTOM, UH, FIVE FOUR DECKING, UH, DECKING RAIL ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND THEN, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ADDED WINDOWS TO THE, TO THE STREET SIDE ON THAT SIDE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER , FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR, UH, BUILDING IN 10 STREET.

THIS IS GREAT TO SEE MORE NEW HOUSES GOING UP IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, I AGREE ON THE, UH, LIGHTING ON THE PORCH COLUMNS, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE IN ANOTHER LOCATION.

UM, I ALSO SEE, DID YOU REDUCE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF FROM THE, UH, ORIGINAL ONE SUBMITTED? NO, IT'S BEEN SIX.

WELL, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT WAS A DIFFERENT CASE.

OKAY.

YEAH, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT CASE.

.

THANK YOU.

BECAUSE YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. ANDERSON? COULD WE SEE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS? I, SINCE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR DOCKET, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS THERE.

OKAY, THIS IS THE LEFT.

OKAY.

AND THIS IS THE RIGHT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LEFT A MINUTE? SURE.

SO THE WHERE AND WHERE'S THE FRONT? THE FRONT IS OVER HERE.

THE FRONT IS UP HERE.

OKAY.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE SOME, SOME WINDOWS.

YEAH, ON THE FRONT HALF OF THE SIDE FACADE.

'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU SEE GOING DOWN THE STREET.

SO THERE'S A MAYBE A NECESSITY FOR SOMETHING THERE TO BREAK UP.

THAT'S A PRETTY MASSIVE BLANK WALL THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE FRONT'S.

ACTUALLY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, IT'S GOT A GABLE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WINDOW.

WAIT, AM I IN THE WRONG SIDE? THERE'S A FRONT ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

IS THERE A WINDOW ON THE PORT? I DON'T.

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OKAY.

SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, BRANDON, WHICH IS THE FRONT, THE BLANK SECTION IN THE FRONT? NO, THIS SIDE OVER HERE.

OKAY.

THE RIGHT, THE, OUR RIGHT SIDE ON THE LEFT ION.

SO THIS, THAT I'M CIRCLING IS THE FRONT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

OH, SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE WINDOWS TOWARD THE FRONT.

YES.

AND JUST LOOK AT THE NEXT, THE, THE OTHER FAAC OTHER SIDE, JUST SO I KNOW THAT I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO THERE ARE WINDOWS TOWARD THE FRONT.

OKAY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

I SUSPECT THE EVENTUAL RESIDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE A FEW ADDITIONAL WINDOWS.

THE MUCH THE NATURAL.

I CORRECT LITTLE LIGHTS.

NICE.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE LOSE POWER.

YOU STILL WANT, MIGHT WANNA SEE WHAT YOU WERE DOING.

DID YOU HAVE MORE MR. ANDERSON, OR NO, I'M DONE.

YOU ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HELPFUL OBSERVATIONS? COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS RAISED HIS HAND.

OKAY.

THANKS MADAM COMMISSIONER, I, I, I JUST, I HAD TO GO TO THE DETAIL OF THE FLOOR PLAN AFTER THE DISCUSSION EARLIER THIS MORNING ABOUT, ABOUT THE WINDOWS.

'CAUSE I TOO WAS CONCERNED.

UM, BUT WHEN I SAW THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, I SAW HOW THE CONFIGURATION MADE SENSE ANYWAYS, SO I, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, PUTTING SOME THOUGHT INTO THIS, UH, UNDERDEVELOPED AREA AND TRYING TO BE CREATIVE BUT AT THE SAME TIME RESPECTING THE, UH, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT.

UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS, UM, BEING DEVELOPED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

ANYBODY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS INCLUDING ONLINE SINCE, UM, THEY'RE NOT SHOWING YOU ME, ALL OF YOU AT ONCE? I JUST SEE SOME OF YOU.

ALRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE SUBMISSION, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE ON THE SIZE.

SO YOU ARE, YOU ARE GIVING HIM A THUMBS UP, .

THANK YOU.

ANY, ANY SUGGESTIONS AT ALL AS THE MAN IS HERE TO LEARN.

IT'S ALL BEEN SAID ALL, ALL RIGHT THEN.

WELL, THAT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

THAT MEANS YOU DID PRETTY WELL THAT .

OKAY.

.

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY.

THANK YOU.

AND AND BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS AS THE PERSON BUILDING HOUSES IN 10TH STREET FOR YEARS AND IT WAS A LEARNING CURVE.

SO BECAUSE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, UM, MR. WARD, I'M A REALTOR AND I SPECIALIZE IN HISTORIC HOUSES AND THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST LITTLE FLOOR PLANS FOR A NEW BUILD, UH, THAT I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME.

AND UM, I WAS WONDERING ON THIS, UM, RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION WHERE YOUR WINDOWS ARE GONNA GO.

'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN, LOOKING DOWN FROM THE FLOOR PLAN.

MM-HMM .

AND I SEE THE UTILITY ROOM, I SEE THE KITCHEN, THE KITCHEN'S OPEN TO THE DINING, THE DINING FAMILY ROOM ARE OPEN TO EACH OTHER, BUT THE POSITION OF THE WINDOWS AS YOU HAVE 'EM DRAWN.

MM-HMM.

ON THIS SIDE ELEVATION, WHERE ARE THEY IN TERMS OF THESE ROOMS? OKAY, SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CENTER SECTION, NOT THE, THE TWO FAR WINDOWS TO THE RIGHT IS THE MASTER BEDROOM.

SO LET'S GO TO THE FIRST ONE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE KITCHEN COUNTER.

THERE'S AN OPEN AREA RIGHT THERE.

UH, THE KITCHEN ISLAND SITS AND SO THAT FALLS DIRECTLY OFF THE KITCHEN COUNTER AND THE WINDOW CLOSEST TO THE FRONT PORCH IS RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER.

UH, THE PURPOSE INITIALLY WAS TO KEEP THIS WHOLE WALL AS AN ENTERTAINMENT WALL, BUT UM, I UNDERSTOOD THE NEED FOR THE WINDOWS, WHICH IS WHAT I KIND OF BATTLED WITH IN DESIGNING IT.

SO, UH, I STILL WANTED TO HAVE A SPACE, LARGE ENOUGH, APPROPRIATE FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT WALL FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO BRING THOSE WINDOWS IN AS WELL.

I SEE.

AND I DIDN'T WANT THAT WINDOW TO FALL, UH, BETWEEN THE KITCHEN CABINETRY AND THE ISLAND.

SO IT'S DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THE ISLAND.

I SEE.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A, A DELIGHTFUL INTERIOR EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION ON THE INTERIOR.

I THINK AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HAVING LONG-TERM DESIRABILITY, IT'S GONNA WORK OUT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN YOU BRING US BACK YOUR FINAL PLANS AND WE'RE READY TO GET YOUR CA AND START YOUR WORK.

ALL RIGHT, SOUNDS GREAT.

THANKS GUYS.

OKAY, NEXT UP WE JUMP TO D TWO.

ITEM D TWO IS SIX 12 EAST FIFTH STREET IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 1 92 MW.

AND I'M MARCUS WATSON.

UH, PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.

THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY.

THREE UNIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE WITH RELATED LANDSCAPING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY, THREE UNIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE WITH RELATED

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LANDSCAPING ON THE VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 1 22 24.

THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, 4.4, 4.7, 4.8, 6.1, 6.2 7.4 AND SECTION NINE PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.

THE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR OF STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO AND A HALF STORY THREE UNIT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE WITH RELATED, WITH RELATED LANDSCAPING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS SPECIFY SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING BOTH HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL.

PROVIDE WR IRON FENCE DETAIL, PROVIDE WALL OVERHANG AND SIDING ON DORMER DETAILS.

MOLD THE DORMER WINDOWS SEPARATELY, PROVIDE CUT SHEETS FOR DOORS AND GARAGE DOORS.

THANK YOU.

AND UM, DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER PLEASE HERE BUT HE'S NOT REGISTERED TO SPEAK.

YOU MEAN HE GAVE US THE YELLOW THAT THAT'S STILL REGISTERED.

ROBERT MCFE.

OH THERE YOU ARE.

HERE.

I'M ALL RIGHT.

UM, JUST TO BE SURE, PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN AND YOUR ADDRESS.

ROBERT MCFE.

1 1 5 WEST GREENBRIER, UM, DALLAS, TEXAS.

AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.

THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US SOME TRUTH AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

I WILL LAY THE TRUTH ON YOU.

UM, THIS, YOU, YOU, WE PRESENTED THIS AT A COURTESY REVIEW ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO AND WE HAD A POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS WELL AS FROM THE, THE TASK FORCE, UM, TWO MONTHS AGO AND THEN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

UH, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT, UM, HOW WE GOT TO THIS.

OUR CLIENT WAS IN HERE PREVIOUSLY WITH ANOTHER DESIGNER WITH OTHER DESIGNS POSING THREE OR FOUR TOWN HOMES.

AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE REJECTED IS NOT BEING APPROPRIATE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE ARE NO TOWN HOMES OR ROW HOUSES IN THE LAKE CLIFF DISTRICT.

SO WE WENT BACK TO THE, THE DRAWING BOARD LOOKED AT THE SIX APARTMENT BUILDINGS OF THE PERIOD THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG NORTH MARCELLUS BUILDINGS SUCH AS THE BEAU MAR, WHICH IS ONLY TWO, TWO DOORS, TWO, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS ALMOST.

AND LOOKED AT THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS OF THOSE.

THOSE WERE ALL TWO STORIES, FRONT ELEVATIONS.

THEY ALL HAD SOME KIND OF CENTERED FOCAL ELEMENT.

THEY WERE MOSTLY BRICK, NOT ALL BRICK, MOSTLY BRICK.

THEY ALL DID.

THEY ALL HAD GANGED WINDOWS.

IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED OVER THE YEARS.

UM, THEY HAD OTHER FEATURES SUCH AS A RECESS, BALCONY, DORMERS, AND THE LIKE.

SO WE, WE STUDIED THOSE.

WE PUT THESE TOGETHER INTO WHAT APPEARS TO BE A THREE UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING, UH, WITH A CENTER ENTRANCE INTO THE CENTER UNIT.

AT EACH OF THE ENDS.

THERE IS A SEPARATE ENTRANCE INTO THE TWO SIDE UNITS.

ALL OF THE PART, EXCUSE ME, ALL OF THE, UH, GARAGE DOORS ARE IN THE BACK, THE DRIVEWAY'S IN THE BACK OFF THE ALLEY.

AND WE HAVE RESPONDED, I BELIEVE, TO EVERY ONE OF THE LANDMARK.

THIS IS NOT LANDMARK.

THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO A PACKET WHICH WE RESUBMITTED MR. WATSON.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST, UH, ASK THE FAVORABLE RESPONSE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE A COMMENT FOLLOWED BY A MOTION WITH COMMISSIONER QUICKEN.

OH, WELL LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

ANYBODY AT HOME? SPEAK UP.

ANYBODY HERE? ALRIGHT, YOU SOON TO BE ALONE IN WISHING TO SPEAK.

UM, I'LL BE BRIEF, I PROMISE.

UM, MR. MCFE, I'M DELIGHTED THAT YOU WERE BROUGHT IN ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THE, THE FIRST, UH, TRIAL BALLOON BEFORE JUST MAYBE WANNA PULL MY HAIR OUT, .

UM, AND I'M LIKE, SO I WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE WHAT I FELT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THIS SITE AND FOR THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE WHEN IT CAME TO HAVING MULTIPLE UNITS AND, UM, TRIED TO DESCRIBE WHAT YOU GOT DONE ON PAPER AND UM, YOU DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB.

AND SO, UM, WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT IN THE CASE OF D TWO CA 2 34 DASH 1 92 MW SIX 12 EAST, EAST FIFTH STREET IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE APPROVE THIS DESIGN PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED IN THE CASE REPORT AND THE SECTIONS OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE CITY CODE

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CITED AS WELL AS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

I SEE.

I LIKE THAT.

IT STILL, ALRIGHT, IT WAS A CLOSE RACE, BUT I'M RULING THAT MR. ANDERSON WAS MADE IT FIRST FOR THE SECOND.

FOR THAT ONE.

THANK YOU MR. ANDERSON.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN? LET'S VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS SIR, YOU'RE VERY CLEVERLY DISGUISED.

TOWNHOMES.

.

FANTASTIC.

.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE TEACH OTHERS HOW TO DO THAT.

WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT IN THIS WORLD.

OKAY, NOW WE'RE UP TO D THREE.

ITEM D THREE IS 1 0 0 1 NORTH CRAWFORD STREET IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH ONE 90 MWI AM MARCUS WATSON.

REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC RAILINGS ON FAUX BALCONIES.

REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL COURTYARD FACING NON HISTORIC DOORS WITH FIBERGLASS DOORS.

THREE.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS NON HISTORIC WITH ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOWS IN BEIGE COLOR.

FOUR.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL SHUTTERS.

FIVE.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE NON MASONRY ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.

BALCONIES, TRIM, BALCONIES TRIM AND DOORS.

SW 28 29.

CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENTS W 7 0 4 8 URBANE BRONZE SIX.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE RAILINGS AT THE WATER.

THE FRONT WATERFALL STEPS SEVEN.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE LIGHT FIXTURES OVER COURTYARD FACING ENTRANCES.

EIGHT.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE LIGHT FIXTURE TO THE SIDE OF OUT OUTWARD FACING KITCHEN ENTRANCES.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC RAILINGS ON FAUX BALCONIES BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL MATERIALS BE PAINTED WOOD IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 4.1 B 4.4, 7.1, 7.3 AND 8.1.

THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.

TWO.

THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE MS TO REPLACE ALL COURTYARD FACING NON HISTORIC DOORS WITH FIBERGLASS DOORS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE