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[ Landmark Commission Meeting on March 4, 2024.]
ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, WELCOME TO THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT IS MARCH 4TH AT 1 0 4, AND I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, I WILL BE SERVING AS CHAIR.
I'M COMMISSIONER EVELYN MONTGOMERY AND COMMISSIONER REAGAN.
ROTHENBERGER, WE'LL BE SERVING AS OUR VICE.
OH, WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.
COMMISSIONER REAGAN ROTHENBERG WILL BE SERVING AS OUR VICE CHAIR.
WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT AS A COMMISSION.
I, I HAVE HIGH HOPES THAT EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT FINE.
ELAINE, COULD YOU PLEASE BEGIN BY DOING A ROLL? WHERE'S ELAINE? OH,
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
AND CPC LIVES ON JOANNA HAMPTON.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, ELAINE.
UM, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ALWAYS TO INQUIRE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC TESTIMONY ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN ONE OF OUR CASES.
'CAUSE WE'LL GET TO THOSE JUST GENERAL TESTIMONY, LIKE ABOUT THE MINUTES.
AND USUALLY THERE IS NOT
SO OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS WILL APPARENTLY BE, UM, I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER TO BE TEMPORARY VICE CHAIR TODAY SINCE COURTNEY'S POLICY COULD NOT BE WITH US.
UM, SO IN LIGHT OF WHO OUR SPEAKERS ARE AND SUCH, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS A COUPLE OF MOTIONS TO MAKE.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, FIRST OFF, I, UH, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AS PRESENTED.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO NEEDED TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM OTHER THAN TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? BECAUSE APPARENTLY WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT.
ALL RIGHT, THEN LET US PROCEED.
WE NEED A SECOND FOR YOUR MOTION.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN SECONDED THAT FIRST
WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY DISCUSSION ON THESE.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
EVERYBODY WHO HAD AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ONE, TWO, OR THREE.
YOU HAVE BEEN, UM, APPROVED FOLLOWING, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND STAFF CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, ARRANGE OUR AGENDA IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER, STARTING WITH COURTESY REVIEWS, ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
THEN DISCUSSIONS ITEMS IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 7, AND EIGHT.
AND THEN COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR AS OUR FINAL ITEM.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, UH, MATT IS IN LIGHT OF WHICH ONES HAVE SPEAKERS.
THEY HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED BY BEING MOVED TO THE FOURTH.
I SEE WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON WHO HAS ENTERED SOMEONE FROM STAFF MIGHT WANT TO INQUIRE AS TO WHETHER HE'S HERE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING.
COULD WE JUST REPEAT ONE MORE TIME THE ORDER? YES.
I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THAT AFFECTS AND, OH, OKAY.
SO YOU DON'T WANNA TALK TO US? WELL, IT WAS NICE MEETING YOU,
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ALL RIGHT.THE AGENDA ORDER WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
COURTESY REVIEW ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
DISCUSSION ITEMS, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 7, AND EIGHT.
AND THEN COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE ARE, WE SHOULD BE READY TO BEGIN WITH COURTESY REVIEW ONE.
UM, COMMISSIONER GUEST, MAY I ASK YOU TO READ TASK FORCE
RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING CUR COURTESY REVIEW.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1462 FIRST AVENUE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH 0 0 6 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO INSTALL A NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM.
RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL A NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS, OR TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, PROPOSED LOCATION IS ACCEPTABLE, EXACT LOCATION TO BE DETERMINED AT A FUTURE DATE.
NUMBER TWO, PROPOSED LOCATION WILL HELP ACTIVATE THIS AREA OF THE PARK.
NUMBER THREE, CAROUSEL WILL REQUIRE A STRUCTURAL BASE, A DA RAMP AND OPERATOR STATION INCLUDE A DA SEATING ON CAROUSEL.
NUMBER FOUR, ADDITIONAL SITE ENHANCEMENTS WILL BE INCLUDED WITH FUTURE DESIGN.
NUMBER FIVE, CAROUSEL PRESENTED WAS SELECTED TO WORK WITH THE AQUATICS OF THE ADJACENT LAGOON.
SPECIFIC MODEL HAS NOT BEEN VIEWED.
NUMBER SIX, NEED ARBORISTS TO REVIEW IMPACT OF CAROUSEL LOCATION ON ADJACENT TREES.
NUMBER SEVEN, FUTURE DESIGN NEEDS TO INCLUDE CONTROLS FOR MUSIC, SOUND LEVELS.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED ON THIS ITEM.
THAT IS NORM ALSTON, WHO I BELIEVE KNOWS THE DRILL.
PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN PROMISE THAT YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON FIRST.
UH, NORMA ALSTON, 5 0 6 MONTE VISTA, DALLAS, 7 5 2 2 3.
DO I DO SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND, UH, UH, THANK YOU, UH, MADAM CHAIR AND GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, WE COME TO YOU WITH THIS TODAY, UH, IN OUR CONTINUING EFFORT AT FAIR PARK, TO KEEP YOU APPRISED OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THERE AND, UH, TO SEEK YOUR INPUT AND, UH, UH, IDEAS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RENOVATION AND RESTORATION AND REACTIVATION OF FAIR PARK.
THIS ITEM IN PARTICULAR, WE WANTED TO DO A COURTESY REVIEW BECAUSE, UM, WELL BELIEVE IT'S AN INSERTION OF A NEW ITEM AT THE LAGOON AREA.
UH, OVER THE YEARS SINCE 1936, THE LAGOON, UH, CHARACTER HAS, HAS, UM, CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S KIND OF A BUCOLIC, UH, PARK-LIKE SETTING NOWADAYS.
AND WHAT WE'VE COME FORWARD WITH IS THE NOTION THAT, UH, DOCUMENTATION AND IN 1936, DURING THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR, UH, FAIR PARK, IT WAS, THE CHARACTER WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THERE WAS A LOT MORE GOING ON AROUND THE LAGOON.
UH, AND WHILE WE DON'T ANTICIPATE DOING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS NECESSARILY AROUND THE LAGOON, THIS DOES REPRESENT AN ADDITIONAL, UH, ACTIVITY.
SOMETHING THAT WE EXPECT TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE AND BRING MORE, UH, MORE PEOPLE DOWN TO ENJOY THE PARK.
AND FELT LIKE, BECAUSE IT WAS, IN ADDITION, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE ANY, UH, BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH,
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UH, THE FULL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH IS, UH, COMING IN THE NEXT CYCLE.AND, AND SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, OTHERWISE, I'M SURE THE COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE SOME, OH, WHO WISHES TO GO FIRST? COMMISSIONER REEVES WILL START US OFF.
DO YOU KNOW MR. ALSTON? HE IS BEEN PRACTICING IN DALLAS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
WHAT, I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE COLOR.
I KNOW THAT THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL IDEA.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA IF IT COMES IN A PALE OR SHADE? UH, THE, THE QUICK ANSWER IS NO.
I, I HAVE AN IDEA THAT THE, THE ACTUAL CAROUSEL YOU SEE IS MORE THAN CONCEPTUAL.
THAT IS AN, A UNIT THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT, I, I'M, I'M REPRESENT FAIR PARK FIRST, BUT ZOO OCEANARIUM, WHO RUNS THE AQUARIUM IS ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK.
AND THAT IS A UNIT, UH, THAT THEY HAVE SELECTED.
IT'S MANUFACTURED IN CHINA NOW BECAUSE OF A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE'S GETTING A LOT OF TECHNICAL INFORMATION ON IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT THAT WILL CHANGE, UH, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME LOCAL MANUFACTURERS THAT MAY, UH, MAY, MAY BE A, A BETTER OPTION.
UH, AND, AND SO, UH, BUT OTHERWISE THE COLORS ARE PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU SEE.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO PASS THAT CONCERN ALONG AND SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY OR A WILLINGNESS TO DO SO.
IS IT PLASTIC? I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M, I'M, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A PLASTIC FOR SOME KIND OF A REINFORCED FIBERGLASS MATERIAL, I'M SURE.
SO WE HEARD IN THE, THE STAFF OR THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, UM, A DA COMPLIANCE MM-HMM.
AND, UH, IS THERE GONNA BE FENCING AROUND THIS AS WELL? WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THIS BESIDES JUST THE CAROUSEL? RIGHT.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE REGULAR C OF A, UH, THE ONLY THING AT THIS POINT THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IS, UH, AND, AND I, IT WAS WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE, THIS ONE A, A MONTH AGO.
UH, BUT IT IS NOW CLEAR THAT IT WILL, THERE WILL, IT WILL OPERATE DURING THE HOURS THAT THE AQUARIUM IS OPEN, AND IT WILL BE A SEPARATE ADMISSION CHARGE TO GET THERE.
SO THERE WILL BE FENCING AROUND IT, BE A RAILING AROUND IT TO BOTH FOR, UH, AND IT WILL OPERATE DURING THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS.
THIS, THIS HAS BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE STATE FAIR, AND THEY'RE VERY HAPPY AND, AND AGREEABLE TO HAVING ANO SOMEBODY ELSE'S RIDE ON THE, UH, ON THE PARK.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT, THAT THAT'S HAPPENED.
THE ONLY THING LIKE THAT THAT'S EVER HAPPENED.
UM, AND SO IT'S GONNA HAVE, IT'S GONNA HAVE CROWD CONTROL.
IT'S KINDA A QUEUING SPACE AND, UM, AND SOME CROWD CONTROL, UH, STUFF LIKE THAT THAT WILL BE SHOWN COMING UP.
AND I EXPECT IT ALL TO BE BEHIND THE, THE, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE RAILING, ALL THE QUEUING SPACE AND STUFF WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO HAPPEN BACK UNDER THE TREE.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT APPEARANCE FROM THE LAGOON SIDE.
MR. SHERMAN, UM, I'VE BEEN TO THE AQUARIUM.
I CAN SEE HOW HAVING A LITTLE AMUSEMENT AREA OTHER THAN JUST PLAY SPACE OR RUNNING SPACE, FOR EXAMPLE, SLIDES AND WHATEVER, THAT THIS MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE TO BENEFIT THE ACCORDION AND ENHANCE ANYTHING.
I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE APPEARANCE, UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, I HATE TO LABEL IT, BUT AT FIRST GLANCE, I FELT LIKE IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A CHUCK E CHEESE THAN A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I LOVE THE OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE AT FAIR PARK, BUT I THINK IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WERE TO GO THERE FOR ME TO FIND IT APPROPRIATE, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE IT IN A MORE HISTORIC TYPE OF PRESENTATION WITH MU MORE MU YOU KNOW, UM, PRETTY BUT MORE MUTED COLORS, LESS, LESS PRIMARY AND, UM, MORE AUTHENTIC WITH THEM.
UM, THIS, THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY SAID TOO MUCH ABOUT HOW IT MAKES ME FEEL, BUT I WANNA HAVE MORE OF A WARM, FUZZY FEEL ABOUT IT.
IT IS MUCH SMALLER, OF COURSE, THAN THE HISTORICAL, WE HAVE AROUND THE CORNER THERE.
THIS IS ONLY 28 FEET IN DIAMETER, SO IT'S, IT'S CAROUSELS GO.
I'LL ABSOLUTELY SHARE THAT THOUGHT FOR YOU WITH THE APPLICANT.
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YES.I'D LIKE TO KIND OF BRING UP THE DISCUSSION OF BRINGING IN THINGS THAT ARE NOT NORMALLY IN THE HISTORICAL PART OF FAIR PARK.
UM, I THINK THIS AREA IS VERY CALM AND QUIET AND I THINK THE WHOLE, UM, LAGOON HAS A SPECIAL FEELING TO IT.
ARE THERE ANY MORE IDEAS OF BRINGING MORE AMUSEMENT RIDES INTO THE HISTORIC PARK? I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS, THIS IS, I CERTAINLY IS NOT, BUT IF I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS WHETHER BRINGING AMUSEMENT RIDES INTO THE ART DECO HISTORIC PARK IS APPROPRIATE, IS THERE GONNA BE MORE OF THAT? ARE WE GONNA START LEAKING AND HAVING, UH, AMUSEMENT RIDES OTHER PLACES? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY THE VISION FOR FAIR PARK.
BUT IT'S, IT'S SORT OF BRINGS UP THE QUESTION OF WHAT ARE, ARE WE LEAKING THE, THE MIDWAY OUT INTO THE REST OF THE PARK TO TRY TO GET THE COME OR WHAT'S THE DEAL? WELL, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS I ANTICIPATED, UH, WITH THE INTERJECTION OF A, OF A NEW, A NEW ITEM LIKE THIS.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE ARE NO OTHER RIDE PLANNED.
AGAIN, STATE FAIR OF TEXAS IS QUITE, UH, JEALOUS OF THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY'RE VERY HIGHLY CONTROLLED IN DOING THAT.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER PLANS TO DO.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS PRESSING THE OTHER TENANTS AND, AND, UH, UH, MANAGEMENT FOR THAT MATTER, BECAUSE PERHAPS LET'S GET A, A LONG-TERM VISION FOR THE LAGOON.
UM, 'CAUSE YOU'RE CORRECT, AS I'VE SAID EARLIER, THIS, THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WHAT WE'VE COME TO KNOW AT THE LAGOON, BUT WHAT WE'VE COME TO KNOW AT THE LAGOON ISN'T WHAT THE LAGOON WAS HISTORICALLY.
YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION, I THINK THERE IS A PLACE HERE FOR SOME EVOLUTION OF THAT, UH, OF THAT VISION OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH IT.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSION AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
THE SHORT AS THE LONG ANSWER, I'M SORRY, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER THAT ANYBODY, BOTH THAT VINCENT TALK PERHAPS A PLAYGROUND, BUT NOT RIGHT ON THE, IT WOULD BE OVER TO THE SIDE.
MR. ROCKEN, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE WHO'S BEEN TRYING TO GET MY ATTENTION AND FAILED? OKAY.
MR. ROCKEN, I, I'LL JUST SHARE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE COLORS AND, AND JUST HOW IT WOULD STAND OUT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SHOWN IN THE PICTURE, IS THAT HOW IT'S PLANNED TO BE PLACED? JUST SIT ON THE GROUND AS PROPOSED, JUST KIND OF LEFT THERE.
UM, I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF AN ODD QUESTION, BUT I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE I'M GONNA PUT IT.
I'M GONNA SET IT ON THE GROUND AND, UH, YEAH.
AND, AND WE WILL, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A, A SMALL CONCRETE PAD UNDERNEATH.
TO TAKE THE, TAKE THE EQUIPMENT.
UH, THERE, THE MACHINERY IS AT THE BOTTOM, UH, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT AT THE, IN THE CENTER, UH, WE, WE WERE ANTICIPATING, I'M ANTICIPATING, UM, AS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, A UH, A, UH, A POROUS PAVING, IF YOU WILL, IF WE CAN DO THE CRUSH GRANITE KIND OF, UH, UH, SIDEWALK, UH, THING TO GIVE ACCESS TO IT.
THAT'S OUR PREFERENCE, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE, UH, THERE'S SOME PRETTY IMPORTANT TREES AROUND THIS, AND WE ARE BEING VERY CAREFUL ABOUT ITS LOCATION AND, AND MINIMIZING ANY IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE ON THOSE TREES.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, THE ONLY THINGS THAT COME WITH IT ARE A RAILING.
UH, AND, AND, AND WHATEVER, AGAIN, AS AS LITTLE FOOT TRAFFIC AREA AS WE CAN THINK, WE CAN JUSTIFY.
THE, THE REASON I ASK IS I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE TO SIT THERE KIND OF AS IT'S SHOWN IN THIS PICTURE, I KNOW IT'S JUST A RENDERING.
IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE FARE GOT UP AND LEFT AND JUST LEFT THAT BEHIND
AND SO I, I THINK IF IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, IF IT, IF IT IS APPROVED, WHATEVER DESIGN ULTIMATELY COMES BEFORE IT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS THERE, RIGHT.
RATHER THAN JUST BEING PLACED THERE HAPHAZARDLY.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, DESIGN, MAKING IT LOOK APPROPRIATE IN ITS LOCATION.
I NEED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PUT INTO THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER TWELL LIVINGSTON HAS JOINED US ONLINE.
UH, HE WASN'T HERE FOR ROLL CALL, BUT NOW HE'S HERE LISTENING.
LET'S TALK ABOUT CARE CAROUSEL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE CAROUSEL COMMISSIONER
SO WE CAN SEE THE HEIGHT AND HOW IT WORKS UNDERNEATH THE TREE CANOPY AND ALL THAT.
WELL, INDEED, AND FOR THE FULL ONE, WE, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT AS WE SPEAK.
SO, UH, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS OF A NORMAL C OF A AND WE'LL HAVE THAT, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING ALL THAT INFORMATION READY.
MADAM CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER OFFIT.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
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CONTINUING TO TRY TO KEEP FAIR PARK ALIVE, AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS POINTED OUT, IT'S JUST AT THE LAGOON, PARTICULAR IS JUST AN EMPTY SPACE.UM, AND I, I'M AN OLD GUY, SO GOING BACK 65, 70 YEARS AGO, THE LAGOON USED TO BE AN EXCITING PLACE TO GO TO AS OPPOSED TO A PLACE THAT ESSENTIALLY JUST COLLECTS TRASH IN THE SETTING THERE.
UM, SO ANYTHING THAT CAN ENHANCE AND STAY WITHIN THE CHARACTER, UH, AND HISTORY AT FAIR PARK, I THINK IS A GREAT MOVE.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I WAS WONDERING, 'CAUSE I'D SEEN SOME OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR, UM, UH, AQUARIUMS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT NORTH AMERICA, AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE MIGHT BE THE IDEA OF ENCASING THIS INSIDE OF A, A STRUCTURE, UH, AGAIN, TO, I KNOW YOU'D MENTIONED THAT BEING OPEN DURING THE SAME HOURS THAT THE, THE AQUARIUM IS, OR YEAH, THEN THE AQUARIUM, BUT THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF LIN WEATHER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE AND, UH, POTENTIALLY THE STRUCTURE COULD LOOK MORE LIKE IT FITS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WELL, AND THE ANSWER IS, IS IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WHAT WE WOULD THINK OF AS A PHASE TWO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UH, HE, HE, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN A COVER STRUCTURE.
IF YOU, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THE, THE LARGE HISTORIC, UH, CAROUSEL ON THE MIDWAY WAS PROTECTED, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THEY WERE, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING JUST TO HELP PROTECT THE INVESTMENT ANYWAY.
AND TO MAKE IT MORE OF AN ALL WEATHER FACILITY.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS ENVISIONED IT BEING ENCLOSED, BUT HAVING A A, A SECONDARY, A LARGER ROOF OVER THE TOP OF IT IS SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.
IF ONE, THERE'S ROOM AND TWO, THERE'S, UM, AND TWO, IF THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL AND DEMAND REMAINS TO, TO USE IT, THE TREES LIMIT WHERE WE CAN PUT IT.
AND HOW FAR BACK I, I WOULD PUT IT BACK ON THE BACK OF THAT, THAT, THAT EMPTY LOT IF I COULD.
BUT THE BIGGEST TREES ARE BACK THAT WAY.
WE HAVE TO PUSH IT OUT TOWARDS ITS
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, WHO IS THE OPERATOR OF THIS, I MEAN, YOU ARE CERTAINLY REPRESENTING FAIR PARK FIRST.
BUT IS THIS THE AQUARIUM? IS THIS AN INDIVIDUAL ENTITY THAT'S LIKE A RESTAURATEUR, I MEAN, THAT'S MANAGING THIS? OR IS IT GONNA BE, IS THE APPLICATION COMING FROM THE AQUARIUM? YES, THE, THE AQUARIUM, IF YOU MAY, ARE PROBABLY AWARE, UH, WE SECURED A NEW OPERATOR FOR THE AQUARIUM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OR LONGER AFTER.
DURING COVID WHEN, WHEN IT HAD CLOSED ORIGINALLY.
LOUIS IS, UH, UH, RUNNING IT NOW.
AND THEY'VE HAD REMARKABLE SUCCESS.
THEY, AND, AND THEIR FACILITY IN ST.
LOUIS IS ALSO VERY HIGHLY REGARDED, AND THEY ALSO HAVE ONE OF THESE UP THERE.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S VERY POSITIVE THEY WANTED TO ADD IT HERE.
THEY, THEY WILL PUT IT IN, THEY'LL PAY FOR IT, AND THEY WILL MAN IT AND OPERATE IT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IN PERFORMING YOUR JOB, WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS, YOU CAN TELL 'EM ALL ABOUT HOW WE WANNA KNOW MORE DETAILS ABOUT EXACTLY HOW IT RELATES TO EVERYTHING.
I PARTICULARLY AM SCARED TO DEATH BY THOSE YELLOW STARFISH.
THEY'RE JUST SO YELLOW
SO THEY MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER THAT IF THIS IS THE ONLY VERSION OF THIS CAROUSEL THAT, THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, COMMITTING TO THAT MIGHT, MIGHT PROVE DELAYING TO THEM IN THE FUTURE.
ARE YOU TRYING TO GET THIS UP FOR THE FAIR THIS YEAR, OR, THE ANSWER IS YES.
AND, AND, AND THE, THE NOTE IS THAT IT'S A VERY ENERGETIC, UH, APPLICANT.
UM, THEY CERTAINLY, LIKE, THEY CAN, AND SO WE'RE STACKING THEM.
NOTHING, NOTHING GETS DONE AT FAIR PARK ON A SLOW SCHEDULE.
JUST, I, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO LET THEM KNOW WE, WE HAD MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE COLORS, AND IF THERE'S NO WAY TO CHANGE THEM, I MEAN, MAYBE YOU COULD SANDBLAST IT WHEN IT GETS HERE TO MAKE IT LESS BRIGHT.
BUT
AND, AND, AND THEY'LL BE AGREEABLE TO WORK WITH US ANYWAY.
THEY PHY PHYSICALLY CAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS ADDITION, AS IS THE STATE FAIR.
EVERYBODY THINKS THIS IS A GREAT ADDITION THEN, THEN LET 'EM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF US THINK A CAROUSEL IS A NICE IDEA.
THEY WANNA KNOW SOME MORE DETAILS AND HAS THE TONE DOWN THE BRIGHTNESS SUIT
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SO IT IT'S NOT QUITE LIKE THAT.
WE, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT.
ANY OTHER PARTING WORDS FOR MR. TON? CAN I HAVE A PARTING WORD? I GUESS I WOULD, AND I KNOW IT WOULD TAKE POSTING AND ALL, BUT I'LL, I'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE THE COMMISSION DOWN TO A TOUR OF FAIR PARK AT SOME TIME TO CATCH THEM UP ON WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT IT'S, WHAT IS HAPPENING.
AS YOU KNOW, WE CONDUCT MONTHLY TOURS ALREADY, AND THEN A IN A, IN A TRAM.
AND I'M HERE TODAY TO OFFER THAT TO THE COMMISSION AT SOME POINT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE YOUR OWN, UH, TWO HOUR TOUR OF FAIR PARK OOH, MOTORIZED TOUR, THEN I'M, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
THAT'S HOW PEOPLE ENDED UP ON GILLIGANS ISLAND.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT, THREE'S NOT THERE FOREVER.
WE CUT IT TO TWO BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANY THREE HOUR TOUR.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO WORK THROUGH STAFF TOO TO MAKE SURE WE COULD ARRANGE SOMETHING AND YOU TO TELL 'EM YOU WANNA DO IT.
NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO COURTESY.
WE DO NUMBER TWO, WHICH HAS OKAY.
COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER 2 7 0 6 HUNTLEY STREET, GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CR 2 3 400 0 5 CM.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A PROTRUDING FRONT PORCH ON A MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A PROTRUDING FRONT PORCH ON MAIN STRUCTURE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, SUPPORTIVE AND APPROVED CONCEPTUAL PROPOSAL.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS.
ONE OF THE PEOPLE HERE PHYSICALLY ARE THAT, AND I DON'T SEE HIM ONLINE.
UM, I'LL PULL UP THE DOCKET JUST IN CASE HE NEEDS ME TO, YES.
WE NEED YOU TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AGAIN AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEN PROMISE THAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL US THE TRUTH.
AARON KARTEN 7 2 1 RIDGEWAY STREET IN DALLAS.
UH, SO, UM, YOU, WHATEVER YOU WISH TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, WE'LL BE TIMING YOU.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THIS IS A UNUSUAL SCENARIO, UH, TO SUGGEST ALTERING THE FRONT FACADE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS A UNUSUAL HOUSE.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME WITH THIS CURSORY REVIEW TO GIVE YOU, UH, THIS HOUSE'S HISTORY IN A NUTSHELL, JUST LIKE THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK, THIS HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN THE 1920S ORIGINALLY AS A SINGLE STORY HOUSE BY THE 1950S, AND I HOPE YOU CAN SEE WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN, BUT BY THE 1950S, THE SECOND STORY EDITION, AS WE SEE IT TODAY, HAD ALREADY BEEN BUILT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS EDITION WAS DONE IN A VERY INSENSITIVE WAY.
THEY SIMPLY FOLLOWED THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LOWER LEVEL, UM, AND IT IRREVERSIBLY ERASED THE HOUSE'S ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE AND STYLING.
TWO STORY NATURE THAT WE STILL EXPERIENCE TODAY, NO LONGER FITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING IN THIS COURTESY REVIEW IS TO REINTRODUCE A PROJECTING FRONT PORCH.
I SAY REINTRODUCE BECAUSE WE KNOW FROM THE 1920S SANBORN MAP THAT IT ORIGINALLY HAD A PROJECTING, UH, PORCH SIMILAR FOOTPRINT TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
AND SO IN DOING THIS, THIS PORCH, I THINK WE ACHIEVED THREE THINGS TO MAKE IT MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
FIRST, WE WOULD BE, OF COURSE, REINTRODUCING THE PORCH THAT ORIGINALLY HAD, AS WELL AS MIMICKING THE OTHER PORCHES THAT WE SEE ON THE BLOCK, MOST NOTABLY THE HOUSE TO ITS RIGHT SIDE.
YOU SEE THAT HERE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, AND THIS, THIS PORCH WOULD IMMEDIATELY ALLOW THE HOUSE TO BETTER FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SECOND, WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS PORCH TO REINTRODUCE AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE TO THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THAT THE PORCH ITSELF WILL BE, YOU KNOW, STYLED AND, AND REALLY SET THE TONE FOR THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
CURRENTLY, THE HOUSE IS VERY CONFUSED, UH, DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT STYLE IT IS, HAS NO COHESIVENESS TO IT.
AND FINALLY, THIS PORCH WILL MAKE THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE MORE APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE SECOND STORY WILL FEEL LESS OPPRESSIVE.
UH, WE SEE THAT ESSENTIALLY IN THE, THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF
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IT, HOW IT HAS, IT'S A TWO STORY STRUCTURE, BUT HAS A, UM, PROTRUDING SINGLE STORY FRONT PORCH.UH, THAT VERY MUCH HELPS WITH THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE.
I HAD, UM, SHOWN, I HAD SHOWN A SLIGHT REVISION TO THE CONCEPT TO THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS IN WHICH WE, WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE A THIRD COLUMN.
UH, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PROPOSE, UM, BUT, AND, AND KIND OF CHANGE THE STYLING OF THE, THE, THE COLUMNS TO HAVE WOOD POST WITH ON A BRICK BASE.
BUT IN ANY CASE, UM, TASK FORCE SEEMED TO BE VERY RECEPTIVE TO THE ENTIRE CONCEPT, UM, AND GAVE REALLY ENTIRELY POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
I THINK EVERYONE REALIZES THAT THIS HOUSE IS UNUSUAL, HAS AN UNUSUAL HISTORY, UM, AND THAT IT NEEDS SOME SORT OF THOUGHTFUL INTERVENTION, EVEN IF THAT MEANS WE NEED TO ALTER THE FRONT OF IT.
AND I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
I NEED TO NOTE THAT OUR CPC, UM, MEMBER LIAISON JOANNA HAMPTON HAS JOINED US TOO.
AND MR. DI CARAN, IF YOU EVER HAVE A SANBORN MAP, YOU SHOULD SUBMIT IT TO US BECAUSE WE LOVE SANDBORN MAPS THAT WE SEND THEM OURSELVES.
I CAN SHARE, BUT THERE, THERE'S NOTHING MAKES US HAPPIER THAN TO SEE A SANDBORN MAP THAT SHOWS AN ASPECT OF WHAT WE'RE QUESTIONING.
COMMISSIONERS, I WILL SHARE THE MAP, RIGHT? OH, WE'RE GONNA PUT THE SANDBORN MAP NOW.
AND THEN COMMISSIONERS WILL ASK THEIR QUESTIONS OF OUR APPLICANT.
THIS ONE IS FROM 1921 TO 1952.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE STRUCTURE WE'RE SPEAKING OF, WHICH LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE ONE FROM THE 1921.
AND IT'S MUCH MORE CLEAR TO SEE.
SO HERE IT IS, 7 0 6 HUNTLEY, UH, SINGLE STORY WITH THE PORCH THAT HE WAS INDICATING.
THANK YOU FOR FINDING THAT FOR US.
AS I SAID, WE ALL JUST LOVE THEM.
I PREFER THEM WHEN THEY HAVE THE PAINT AND COLORS TO INDICATE THEM.
JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT MAKE ME HAPPY,
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ARCHITECT.
UH, THERE IS A CONCRETE PAD THERE.
IT'S NOT REALLY COVERED PORCH.
IS THAT CONCRETE WORK SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN LEFT FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND MAYBE THE ORIGINAL PORCH? I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE, YES.
IT'S CERTAINLY OF THE STYLING THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD SEE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THE NEW PORCH GOING TO SIT ON THE OLD PORCH FOUNDATION OR THE WHAT? THE CONCRETE THAT'S THERE.
THE INTENTION IS TO STILL HAVE A CONCRETE PATIO.
UM, THE QUESTION WILL BE FROM A CONSTRUCTABILITY STANDPOINT, CURRENTLY, THERE'S, THERE'S AN INSET PORCH THAT WAS CREATED AS PART OF THAT ADDITION BACK IN THE 1950S.
CAN THAT INSET PORCH, THE, THE WALLS OF IT BE REMOVED, UM, AND WHAT DOES THAT DO IN TERMS OF WHAT PATCHWORK IS NEEDED FOR THAT CONCRETE PATIO? BUT, UM, YES, IT'S, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE A CONCRETE PORCH.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE DESIGN INTENT.
I, I'M NOT QUITE IF I GOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.
SO THE CONCRETE THAT'S THERE, IS THE PORCH GONNA BE IN THE SAME CONFIGURATION AS THE CONCRETE THAT'S THERE TODAY? YES.
UH, I MEAN, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
THE, THE, THE CONCRETE PATIO THAT YOU SEE, AND I HOPE YOU CAN SEE, WELL, I GUESS YOU CAN'T SEE MY IMAGE ANYMORE, BUT IT DOES EXTEND A LITTLE BIT BEYOND, UH, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PORCH.
SO IF I'M TRYING TO BOIL THIS DOWN, WE HAVE AN OLD HOUSE THAT HAD A PORCH.
THE PORCH WAS TAKEN OFF, YOU PUT A SECOND FLOOR ON THE OLD HOUSE, AND NOW WE WANNA A PORCH BACK WHERE IT WAS BEFORE TO MAKE IT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE SOUNDBOARD MAP, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE CONCRETE HERE WAS A, UM, THE, THE EXISTING CONCRETE THAT EX THAT, UH, WORKS AS A TERRACE, UM, IS IN A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION.
UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, ON THE MAP IT DIDN'T CONTINUE ALL THE WAY TO THE SECOND DOOR TO THAT, UM, EXTENSION ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE IMAGE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF TORN WITH THE GEOMETRY OF, OF HOW ALL THOSE PIECES COME TOGETHER BECAUSE, UH, YES, THE GABLE IS CENTERED ON THE FRONT DOOR, BUT IT DOESN'T CENTER ON THE PORCH, AND THEN IT LEAVES THE SECOND DOOR IN THE BACK, SORT OF THREE QUARTERS COVERED AND NOT ALL THE WAY COVERED.
SO, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
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UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT, IT'S STILL TROUBLED THE WAY, UH, THE WAY ALL THE GEOMETRY WORKS.I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE EFFORT THAT YOU WENT TO, TO, TO GET THIS FAR, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE THERE YET.
UM, AND I WAS WONDERING IF, UM, IF THERE HAD BEEN OTHER STUDIES OR IF YOU WERE OPEN TO, TO LOOKING AT A, A DIFFERENT WAY TO COVER THE ENTIRE TERRACE INSTEAD OF, UH, MOST OF IT
AND OF COURSE THERE'S STILL MUCH TO BE DONE TO WORK THROUGH AN ACTUAL DESIGN, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT PERFECT YET.
AND CERTAINLY HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE DOOR AROUND THE CORNER, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT, UM, REMEDIATION OF THE CONCRETE PORCH THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN INEVITABLY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE SAME, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO RETHINK WHAT THAT FOOTPRINT IS, TO GET IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT AND THEN YOU JUST SIMPLY HAVE STEPS GOING UP TO THAT SIDE DOOR? UM, I THINK, I THINK PERHAPS THAT COULD BE A, A VERY APPROPRIATE SOLUTION.
UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF HOW THE, THE OVERHANG INTERACTS WITH THAT SIDE DOOR, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH TO SEE IF WE CAN, UM, MASSAGE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I, THE VICE CHAIR AND I WERE JUST DISCUSSING A QUESTION I'D LIKE TO VERIFY.
DID YOU SAY THOSE ARCHES IN THE BRICK SORT OF TERY, REALLY LOW POINTED TERY, THOSE WERE PART OF THE ADDITION WHEN THEY BUILT THE SECOND STORY AND YOU'RE THINKING OF TAKING THEM OUT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND YOU SEE THAT IT DIDN'T ORIGINALLY HAVE THE INSET PORCH, UM, AND THE SANDBORN MAP.
AND SO I THINK THOSE WERE, THAT WALL WITH THOSE ARCHES WERE ADDED TO CARRY THE, THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, FOOTPRINT UP ABOVE.
AND IT'S, DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN THE CA? IT WILL NEED TO BE, BUT THIS IS JUST A COURTESY.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE DEMOLITION DRAWINGS OF COURSE, AND THE, AND THE ATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION, BUT YES, WE WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT.
THEY INTRODUCED THE, THESE ARCHES, BUT THEN THE REST OF THE HOUSE ISN'T A TUTOR.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST A MESS THAT WAS COMMENTED UPON IN THE BRIEFING THAT THE, THIS HOUSE WORE MANY STYLES AND THAT GETS RID OF ONE OF THEM
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY OR COMMENTS? ACTUALLY? ANY ADVICE? DO WE LIKE IT OR NOT?
ARE THE, UM, EXPOSED RAFTER, UM, ON THE, ON THE OVERHANG, ARE THOSE EXISTING, OR IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT A OPEN SOFFIT OR IS IT A CLOSED SOFFIT? YES, THE, IT, IT HAS RAPTOR TAILS.
BECAUSE ONE THING I WAS WONDERING IS IF IT SHOULD BE A HIP, UH, PORCH, AND THAT WAY IT MIGHT TURN THE CORNER MORE EASILY, BUT, UM, I KNOW YOU STILL HAVE SOME, SOME STUDIES YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT, SO YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND, AND IT WOULD BE ATYPICAL FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE IT LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK IT, IT ESSENTIALLY NEEDS TO BE MORE OR LESS LIKE WE'VE PROPOSED.
BUT IF THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA SEE, THEN BY ALL MEANS, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT FEEDBACK.
A A COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT THE, IF WE'RE GOING WITH CRAFTS, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD, THEN THE GABLE PORCH IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND ALSO KIND OF MATCHES WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BLOCK.
THE HIP MAY IN THEORY WORK A LITTLE BETTER, BUT ARCHITECTURALLY WOULD BE AWKWARD, I THINK, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THEY'RE BOTH GOOD AND BOTH BAD.
YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE
ANY MORE COMMENTS? REMEMBER THIS IS WHERE WE HELP.
CAN I, CAN I ASK TO ASK FOR HELP QUESTION? UM, WOULD IT BE RECEPTIVE TO IF, IF IT'S, IF IT COMES TO THIS TO RETHINK THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PATIO, STILL HAVE A CONCRETE PATIO, BUT TO FOLLOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED PORCH? AND SO, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT THE, THE CONCRETE, THE RAISED CONCRETE PATIO WOULD NOT EXTEND AROUND THE CORNER TO THAT, THAT SIDE DOOR.
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THAT WOULD BE A MORE COHESIVE, UM, UH, SOLUTION.UM, AND, AND ALSO HELP WITH THE CONSTRUCTABILITY IF, IF A LOT OF THE EXISTING PORCH GETS KIND OF MESSED UP DURING CONSTRUCTION, IT SEEMS TO BE WHAT PEOPLE ARE NODDING THEIR HEADS AT.
AND I THINK YOU, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, MAYBE JUST A SMALL SET OF STAIRS AND A LANDING TO GET TO THE SIDE DOOR, PERHAPS A, A SMALL, UH, AWNING ON IT.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, HELP RESOLVE THE GEOMETRY AND, AND REALLY THAT, THAT DOOR PERHAPS COULD EVEN, UM, IF IT HELPS WITH, WITH HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE, THE PORSCHE OVERHANG, IF, IF THAT CHANGES TO FROM A DOOR TO A WINDOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS AT ALL, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.
WE USUALLY TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KEEP THE SECOND DOOR.
THEY USUALLY WANT TO GET RID OF IT, BUT SO WE, WE ALREADY HAVE, YEAH, WE ALREADY HAVE TWO DOORS ON THE, ON THE FRONT PORCH
SO THIS IS LIKE OUR, OUR THIRD DOOR.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LOTS OF MEANS OF EGRESS.
ISN'T THAT A COMFORTING THING FOR THE PEOPLE INSIDE? ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S OUR COMMENTS FOR NOW.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY AND, UM, HAVE REACHED SOME AGREEMENTS WITH SOME PEOPLE.
YOU ALL ABOUT WHAT THEY'D, THANK YOU.
WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO ASK US AHEAD OF TIME INSTEAD OF DRAWING UP ALL THE PLANS AND THEN SAYING, BUT I ALREADY DREW ALL THE PLANS.
ITEM THREE CURRENTLY BEING PRESENTED BY DR.
RHONDA DONN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 1 2 SOUTH CLIFF STREET AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH ZERO SEVEN RD.
THE REQUEST IS AS FOLLOWS, FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW.
NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT BOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE FOUNDATION SHOULD NOT BE CONCRETE SLAB ON GRADE NUMBER TWO, LOT SHOULD NOT BE LEVELED.
UH, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR THIS BRANDON WARD, COME ON UP TO THE MIC.
OH, THIS MICROPHONE WE USUALLY USE, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT WE DO.
HELLO? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
SO I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FIRST.
MY ADDRESS IS 8 5 0 5 CHAPEL RIDGE COURT.
AND YOU, YOU, YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? I DO.
UH, SO YOU, UM, YOU GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE.
I'VE, UM, CONSTRUCTED A HOUSE IN THE FORT WORTH HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL, UH, BUT NONE OTHER THAN MY LOVELY CITY OF DALLAS.
SO, UH, I'M EXCITED TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT.
UH, THIS IS A TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 1600 SQUARE FEET AND IT SITS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF CLIFF STREET.
I, UH, LISTENED IN ON THE MEETING EARLIER, ON THE NOTES EARLIER, AND I'VE ALREADY ADDED WINDOWS.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ASKED REGARDING THE, UH, SLAB AND THE LEVEL OF THE SLAB.
THE PORCH IS ALL LEVEL, UH, WITH, WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
THE LAP SIDING JUST COMES DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES.
ON THE OUTSIDE, THE COLUMNS HAVE BEEN UPDATED AS WELL TO SHOW, UH, THE WOODEN COLUMNS WITH THE LIGHTS ON.
IS THAT, ARE YOU READY FOR QUESTIONS NOW OR DID YOU HAVE YES, I'M READY FOR QUESTIONS.
TELL US, AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US EARLIER
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AND SO QUICKLY RESPONDING.NOT EVERYBODY'S ABLE TO DO THAT.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO SEE THE COLUMNS A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY? I, UM, LET'S SEE.
THEY'RE JUST STRAIGHT SEATED COLUMNS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YEAH, THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU SAW THIS MORNING.
UM, SO A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, ONE THING I WAS WONDERING IS TYPICALLY, OR REMIND ME IF IT'S TYPICAL TO, UM, ADD LIGHTING DIRECTLY TO THE COLUMNS RATHER THAN THE BUILDING FACE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT BY THE FRONT DOOR INSTEAD OF OUT ON THE, THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES.
I, I THINK THEY MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE THERE, OR LIKE A SINGLE LIGHT AT THE, UM, AT THE DOOR.
NOW THERE WILL BE LIGHTING ON THE FRONT PORCH ON THE CEILING.
UH, THIS JUST ADDS THE FLAIR THAT I BELIEVE IT BRINGS TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ADD SOME DISTINCTION, BUT I, I THINK THEY, THEY FEEL A LITTLE INAPPROPRIATE THERE, JUST IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.
SO YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THAT I PUT THEM, UH, DIRECTLY ON THE HOUSE INSTEAD OF YEAH.
ON, ON THE FACE OF THE BUILDING RATHER THAN ON THE COLUMNS OF SOME.
HE TURNED HIS MICROPHONE OFF, BUT HE WAS STILL THINKING
SO SECONDLY, UM, THE, UM, THE BALUSTRADE ON THE, UH, ON THE PORCH ITSELF, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DETAILED EXACTLY THE WAY YOU INTEND IT, BUT ALL THE BALLISTERS ACTUALLY HIT THE PORCH FLOOR RATHER THAN BEING CAUGHT BY A, UM, BY A BOTTOM STRINGER.
NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THAT THE, UH, STRINGER WILL BE ABOUT FOUR TO SIX INCHES FROM THE BOTTOM, UH, FIVE FOUR DECKING, UH, DECKING RAIL ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM.
AND THEN, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ADDED WINDOWS TO THE, TO THE STREET SIDE ON THAT SIDE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.
COMMISSIONER
THIS IS GREAT TO SEE MORE NEW HOUSES GOING UP IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I AGREE ON THE, UH, LIGHTING ON THE PORCH COLUMNS, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE IN ANOTHER LOCATION.
UM, I ALSO SEE, DID YOU REDUCE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF FROM THE, UH, ORIGINAL ONE SUBMITTED? NO, IT'S BEEN SIX.
YEAH, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT CASE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. ANDERSON? COULD WE SEE THE SIDE ELEVATIONS? I, SINCE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR DOCKET, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS THERE.
AND THIS IS THE RIGHT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LEFT A MINUTE? SURE.
SO THE WHERE AND WHERE'S THE FRONT? THE FRONT IS OVER HERE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE SOME, SOME WINDOWS.
YEAH, ON THE FRONT HALF OF THE SIDE FACADE.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU SEE GOING DOWN THE STREET.
SO THERE'S A MAYBE A NECESSITY FOR SOMETHING THERE TO BREAK UP.
THAT'S A PRETTY MASSIVE BLANK WALL THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE FRONT'S.
ACTUALLY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, IT'S GOT A GABLE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WINDOW.
WAIT, AM I IN THE WRONG SIDE? THERE'S A FRONT ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
IS THERE A WINDOW ON THE PORT? I DON'T.
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OKAY.SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, BRANDON, WHICH IS THE FRONT, THE BLANK SECTION IN THE FRONT? NO, THIS SIDE OVER HERE.
THE RIGHT, THE, OUR RIGHT SIDE ON THE LEFT ION.
SO THIS, THAT I'M CIRCLING IS THE FRONT? CORRECT.
OH, SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE WINDOWS TOWARD THE FRONT.
AND JUST LOOK AT THE NEXT, THE, THE OTHER FAAC OTHER SIDE, JUST SO I KNOW THAT I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THERE ARE WINDOWS TOWARD THE FRONT.
I SUSPECT THE EVENTUAL RESIDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE A FEW ADDITIONAL WINDOWS.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE LOSE POWER.
DID YOU HAVE MORE MR. ANDERSON, OR NO, I'M DONE.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HELPFUL OBSERVATIONS? COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS RAISED HIS HAND.
THANKS MADAM COMMISSIONER, I, I, I JUST, I HAD TO GO TO THE DETAIL OF THE FLOOR PLAN AFTER THE DISCUSSION EARLIER THIS MORNING ABOUT, ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
UM, BUT WHEN I SAW THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, I SAW HOW THE CONFIGURATION MADE SENSE ANYWAYS, SO I, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, PUTTING SOME THOUGHT INTO THIS, UH, UNDERDEVELOPED AREA AND TRYING TO BE CREATIVE BUT AT THE SAME TIME RESPECTING THE, UH, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS, UM, BEING DEVELOPED.
ANYBODY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS INCLUDING ONLINE SINCE, UM, THEY'RE NOT SHOWING YOU ME, ALL OF YOU AT ONCE? I JUST SEE SOME OF YOU.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE SUBMISSION, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE ON THE SIZE.
SO YOU ARE, YOU ARE GIVING HIM A THUMBS UP,
ANY, ANY SUGGESTIONS AT ALL AS THE MAN IS HERE TO LEARN.
IT'S ALL BEEN SAID ALL, ALL RIGHT THEN.
THAT MEANS YOU DID PRETTY WELL THAT
AND AND BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS AS THE PERSON BUILDING HOUSES IN 10TH STREET FOR YEARS AND IT WAS A LEARNING CURVE.
SO
AND UM, I WAS WONDERING ON THIS, UM, RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION WHERE YOUR WINDOWS ARE GONNA GO.
'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN, LOOKING DOWN FROM THE FLOOR PLAN.
AND I SEE THE UTILITY ROOM, I SEE THE KITCHEN, THE KITCHEN'S OPEN TO THE DINING, THE DINING FAMILY ROOM ARE OPEN TO EACH OTHER, BUT THE POSITION OF THE WINDOWS AS YOU HAVE 'EM DRAWN.
SO LET'S GO TO THE FIRST ONE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE KITCHEN COUNTER.
THERE'S AN OPEN AREA RIGHT THERE.
UH, THE KITCHEN ISLAND SITS AND SO THAT FALLS DIRECTLY OFF THE KITCHEN COUNTER AND THE WINDOW CLOSEST TO THE FRONT PORCH IS RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER.
UH, THE PURPOSE INITIALLY WAS TO KEEP THIS WHOLE WALL AS AN ENTERTAINMENT WALL, BUT UM, I UNDERSTOOD THE NEED FOR THE WINDOWS, WHICH IS WHAT I KIND OF BATTLED WITH IN DESIGNING IT.
SO, UH, I STILL WANTED TO HAVE A SPACE, LARGE ENOUGH, APPROPRIATE FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT WALL FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO BRING THOSE WINDOWS IN AS WELL.
AND I DIDN'T WANT THAT WINDOW TO FALL, UH, BETWEEN THE KITCHEN CABINETRY AND THE ISLAND.
SO IT'S DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THE ISLAND.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A, A DELIGHTFUL INTERIOR EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION ON THE INTERIOR.
I THINK AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HAVING LONG-TERM DESIRABILITY, IT'S GONNA WORK OUT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN YOU BRING US BACK YOUR FINAL PLANS AND WE'RE READY TO GET YOUR CA AND START YOUR WORK.
OKAY, NEXT UP WE JUMP TO D TWO.
ITEM D TWO IS SIX 12 EAST FIFTH STREET IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 1 92 MW.
UH, PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY.
THREE UNIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE WITH RELATED LANDSCAPING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY, THREE UNIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE WITH RELATED
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LANDSCAPING ON THE VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 1 22 24.THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, 4.4, 4.7, 4.8, 6.1, 6.2 7.4 AND SECTION NINE PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR OF STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO AND A HALF STORY THREE UNIT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE WITH RELATED, WITH RELATED LANDSCAPING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS SPECIFY SMOOTH CEMENTITIOUS SIDING BOTH HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL.
PROVIDE WR IRON FENCE DETAIL, PROVIDE WALL OVERHANG AND SIDING ON DORMER DETAILS.
MOLD THE DORMER WINDOWS SEPARATELY, PROVIDE CUT SHEETS FOR DOORS AND GARAGE DOORS.
AND UM, DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER PLEASE HERE BUT HE'S NOT REGISTERED TO SPEAK.
YOU MEAN HE GAVE US THE YELLOW THAT THAT'S STILL REGISTERED.
UM, JUST TO BE SURE, PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN AND YOUR ADDRESS.
1 1 5 WEST GREENBRIER, UM, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US SOME TRUTH AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS, YOU, YOU, WE PRESENTED THIS AT A COURTESY REVIEW ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO AND WE HAD A POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS WELL AS FROM THE, THE TASK FORCE, UM, TWO MONTHS AGO AND THEN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
UH, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT, UM, HOW WE GOT TO THIS.
OUR CLIENT WAS IN HERE PREVIOUSLY WITH ANOTHER DESIGNER WITH OTHER DESIGNS POSING THREE OR FOUR TOWN HOMES.
AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE REJECTED IS NOT BEING APPROPRIATE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE NO TOWN HOMES OR ROW HOUSES IN THE LAKE CLIFF DISTRICT.
SO WE WENT BACK TO THE, THE DRAWING BOARD LOOKED AT THE SIX APARTMENT BUILDINGS OF THE PERIOD THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG NORTH MARCELLUS BUILDINGS SUCH AS THE BEAU MAR, WHICH IS ONLY TWO, TWO DOORS, TWO, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS ALMOST.
AND LOOKED AT THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS OF THOSE.
THOSE WERE ALL TWO STORIES, FRONT ELEVATIONS.
THEY ALL HAD SOME KIND OF CENTERED FOCAL ELEMENT.
THEY WERE MOSTLY BRICK, NOT ALL BRICK, MOSTLY BRICK.
IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED OVER THE YEARS.
UM, THEY HAD OTHER FEATURES SUCH AS A RECESS, BALCONY, DORMERS, AND THE LIKE.
WE PUT THESE TOGETHER INTO WHAT APPEARS TO BE A THREE UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING, UH, WITH A CENTER ENTRANCE INTO THE CENTER UNIT.
THERE IS A SEPARATE ENTRANCE INTO THE TWO SIDE UNITS.
ALL OF THE PART, EXCUSE ME, ALL OF THE, UH, GARAGE DOORS ARE IN THE BACK, THE DRIVEWAY'S IN THE BACK OFF THE ALLEY.
AND WE HAVE RESPONDED, I BELIEVE, TO EVERY ONE OF THE LANDMARK.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO A PACKET WHICH WE RESUBMITTED MR. WATSON.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST, UH, ASK THE FAVORABLE RESPONSE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE A COMMENT FOLLOWED BY A MOTION WITH COMMISSIONER QUICKEN.
OH, WELL LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY HERE? ALRIGHT, YOU SOON TO BE ALONE IN WISHING TO SPEAK.
UM, MR. MCFE, I'M DELIGHTED THAT YOU WERE BROUGHT IN ON THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THE, THE FIRST, UH, TRIAL BALLOON BEFORE JUST MAYBE WANNA PULL MY HAIR OUT,
UM, AND I'M LIKE, SO I WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE WHAT I FELT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THIS SITE AND FOR THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE WHEN IT CAME TO HAVING MULTIPLE UNITS AND, UM, TRIED TO DESCRIBE WHAT YOU GOT DONE ON PAPER AND UM, YOU DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
AND SO, UM, WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT IN THE CASE OF D TWO CA 2 34 DASH 1 92 MW SIX 12 EAST, EAST FIFTH STREET IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE APPROVE THIS DESIGN PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED IN THE CASE REPORT AND THE SECTIONS OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE CITY CODE
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CITED AS WELL AS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.IT STILL, ALRIGHT, IT WAS A CLOSE RACE, BUT I'M RULING THAT MR. ANDERSON WAS MADE IT FIRST FOR THE SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN? LET'S VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? CONGRATULATIONS SIR, YOU'RE VERY CLEVERLY DISGUISED.
PLEASE TEACH OTHERS HOW TO DO THAT.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT IN THIS WORLD.
OKAY, NOW WE'RE UP TO D THREE.
ITEM D THREE IS 1 0 0 1 NORTH CRAWFORD STREET IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH ONE 90 MWI AM MARCUS WATSON.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC RAILINGS ON FAUX BALCONIES.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL COURTYARD FACING NON HISTORIC DOORS WITH FIBERGLASS DOORS.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS NON HISTORIC WITH ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOWS IN BEIGE COLOR.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL SHUTTERS.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE NON MASONRY ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.
BALCONIES, TRIM, BALCONIES TRIM AND DOORS.
CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENTS W 7 0 4 8 URBANE BRONZE SIX.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE RAILINGS AT THE WATER.
THE FRONT WATERFALL STEPS SEVEN.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE LIGHT FIXTURES OVER COURTYARD FACING ENTRANCES.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE LIGHT FIXTURE TO THE SIDE OF OUT OUTWARD FACING KITCHEN ENTRANCES.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC RAILINGS ON FAUX BALCONIES BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL MATERIALS BE PAINTED WOOD IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 4.1 B 4.4, 7.1, 7.3 AND 8.1.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE MS TO REPLACE ALL COURTYARD FACING NON HISTORIC DOORS WITH FIBERGLASS DOORS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE NEW DOORS BE ALL WOOD INSIDE AND OUT, NOT FIBERGLASS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 5.2 AND 5.3.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS NON HISTORIC WITH ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOWS IN BEIGE COLOR BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE NEW WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD INSIDE AND OUT.
NO VINYL OR CLADDING IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL SHUTTERS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C TWO T TO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE NON MASONRY ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.
BALCONY TRIM AND DOORS W2 8 2 9.
CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENTS W 7 0 4 8 IRVINE BRONZE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, THAT NO BRICK OR OTHER MASONRY BE PAINTED.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 4.4 AND 4.8.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
ITEM SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE RAILINGS AT FRONT WATERFALL STEPS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24.
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PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 3.7, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51, A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.ITEM SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE LIGHT FIXTURES OVER COURTYARD FACING ENTRANCES BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION SECTION 3.6, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 0.4, SORRY, 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
A, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE LIGHT FIXTURE TO THE SIDE OF OUTWARD FACING KITCHEN ENTRANCES BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION 3.6, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS
ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE NON HISTORIC RAILINGS ON FULL BALCONIES BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL COURTYARD FACING NON HISTORIC DOORS WITH FIBERGLASS DOORS BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
THE DOORS SHOULD NOT BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
CONSIDER FLIPPING COURTYARD AND OUTER DOORS BEFORE APPLICANT DECIDED TO RETAIN EXISTING OUTER DOORS.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS NON HISTORIC WITH ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOWS IN BEIGE COLOR TO BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
CONSIDER ALUMINUM WINDOWS INSTEAD OF VINYL.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL SHUTTERS BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS SHUTTERS ARE NOT NECESSARY.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT THE NON MASONRY ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.
SW 2 8 2 9, CLASSICAL WHITE ACCENT SW 7 0 4 8 URBANE BRONZE BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
BROWN OR EARTH CONE COLORS WOULD BE BETTER THAN WHITE.
THAT THE RE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE RAILINGS AT FRONT WATERFALL STEPS BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS, STEEL TUBE BRAS INSTEAD OF WOOD SEVEN.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE LIGHT FIXTURES OVER COURTYARD FACING ENTRANCES.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE LIGHT FIXTURE TO THE SIDE OF OUTWARD FACING KITCHEN ENTRANCES BE APPROVED.
THAT TOOK A WHILE DIDN'T IT?
WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, I ASSUME YOU ARE BARRETT BARRETT LINDBERGH, YES.
60 60 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND I WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
SEE YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO GET THE DRILL, HAVEN'T YOU? ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME.
SO YOU GET THREE MINUTES AND WE'LL TIME YOU AND THEN WE WILL DRILL YOU WITH QUESTIONS.
THIS IS OUR FOURTH NON-CONTRIBUTING APARTMENT RENOVATION PROJECT IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT AND OUR SEVENTH DALLAS HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, PROJECT OVERALL, UH, THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY DEFINES WHAT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS AND WHAT A PROTECTED FACADE IS IN LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS PROPERTY AT 1,001 CRAWFORD IS LISTED AS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE ORIGINAL SURVEY AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A PROTECTED FACADE.
I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT OUR CASE FOR THE USE OF VINYL WINDOWS AND FIBERGLASS DOORS IN OUR RENOVATION PROJECT WITH 1,001 NORTH CRAWFORD.
DESPITE CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS A MATTER OF COST.
UH, THE WINDOW CHOICE IS AN INITIAL COST.
IT'S ABOUT A $25,000, UH, CHEAPER OPTION AND FOR THE DOORS, THE FIBERGLASS AND VERSUS WOOD DOORS, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME COST ON THE FRONT END.
BUT FROM AN APARTMENT MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE IN AN ONGOING BASIS.
AND WE THINK THAT THE, THE LOOK IS ABOUT THE SAME.
WHEN WE UNDERTAKE ONE OF THESE PROJECTS AND RISK OUR TIME AND MONEY TO UPGRADE A BUILDING THAT HAS LONG BEEN AN EYES, SORT OF THE AREA WE RELY UPON DALLAS CODE TO MAKE THESE INVESTMENT DECISIONS.
SPECIFICALLY THE STANDARD FOR APPROVAL SPELLED OUT IN SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 GC SIX ROMAN TWO, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST GRANT THE APPLICATION IF IT DETERMINES THAT FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, THE PROPOSED WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY.
NONE OF THE OTHER HISTORIC, UH, THINGS APPLY WHEN IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING.
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STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE USE WOOD, WINDOWS AND DOORS WHEN WE HAVE REQUESTED.AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE APPROVED THAT WE USE VINYL WINDOWS AND FIBERGLASS DOORS.
THE PROPOSED WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THE EXISTING ONES, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS FROM THE 1960S AND ROTTEN DOORS.
UM, THESE PROPOSED WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE FOUND IN OTHER PLACES WITHIN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY AND HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY IN THREE PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE RECENTLY BY REPLACING THESE EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS WITH THE PROPOSED VINYL.
UM, THIS WOULD BE FOLLOWING BOTH THE SPIRIT AND THE LETTER OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY AND DALLAS CO.
THE VINYL WINDOWS AND FIBERGLASS DOORS WE PROPOSED HAVE BEEN, UH, DEEMED COMPATIBLE AT 5 0 1 5 15 AND 6 0 6 NORTH MARCELLUS.
WE PROVIDED PICTURES OF THESE PROJECTS, UH, IN OUR SUBMISSION PACKAGE AND THEY'VE NOW BEEN INSTALLED.
UH, IF THIS WERE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND WE HAD TO USE MORE EXPENSIVE MATERIALS, WE WOULD HAVE INCENTIVES AVAILABLE TO US TO OFFSET THAT COST IN, IN PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT AND ALSO THROUGH FEDERAL AND STATE TAX INCENTIVES.
THIS IS NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING.
THOSE INCENTIVES ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO US FORCING COMPLIANCE, UH, AS IF WE HAVE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, PROTECTED FACADE WHILE DENYING THOSE INCENTIVES AND IGNORING DALLAS CODE WOULD DISINCENTIVIZE US AND OTHER FUTURE INVESTORS FROM MAKING INVESTMENTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME.
I THINK WE GOT WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? OKAY.
UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
AND WILL THEY COMPLETELY FILL, UH, THE EXISTING OPENINGS OR DO YOU HAVE TO UM, NO, THEY'LL BE CUSTOM ORDERED FOR THIS PROJECT.
YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION DURING THE, UH, DURING THE BRIEFING, BUT I THINK IT'S A, A MOOT POINT, BUT I WAS GONNA MAKE IT ANYWAY JUST TO
UM, AND UH, AND DESCRIBE THE SITUATION WHERE YOU WERE PLACING THE, UM, THE WOODEN, UM, HANDRAILS AT THE, AT THE UM, AT THE WATERFALL STAIRS.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANY RAILS THERE ARE NEEDED AT ALL.
UM, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ONE BACK THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEET CODE 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN AN INCH AND A HALF OF THE, UH, OF THE CURB LINE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN REACH IT WITH YOUR HAND.
UH, WE'RE NOT THE THE GOVERNING BODY THAT'S GONNA STICK YOU WITH THAT ONE NECESSARILY.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE ZONING OR, OR RATHER A PERMIT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY GOTTEN BUILDING PERMIT FOR ALL THIS WORK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONE THROUGH THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, WE CAN, YOU ALREADY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT? WE DO.
STAFF WILL CHECK OUT HOW THAT HAPPENS.
IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN BEFORE YOU GET THE CA SO SOMETHING WELL, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO START WORK UNTIL WE HAVE A CA I SHOULD HAVE BEEN PERMIT.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S NOT HIS FAULT.
STAFF WILL, UM, IN, UH, INQUIRE AS TO WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU LEARN.
WELL YOU, YOU DONE
WE HAD QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS EARLIER.
OH, JENNIFER DENT ALSO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
JENNIFER DIDN'T WANT TO, UM, GET SWORN IN AND JENNIFER WORKS WITH US ON THE DESIGN SIDE, SO IT MIGHT JUST BE QUESTIONS ONLY.
WELL, IN ORDER FOR HER TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, WE DO NEED HER TO DO THE WHOLE NAME ADDRESS WHERE I'LL CALL THE TRUTH.
AND WE NEED TO SEE HER FACE MINE TO PROVE IT'S HER.
I'M OPENING MY VIDEO RIGHT NOW.
YOU JUST KEEP SWITCHING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND JENNIFER DENT.
60 60 NORTH WEST CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, SUITE SEVEN 70, UM, THOUSAND ONE CRAWFORD.
AND I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER LIKE WHERE IT SAID SOME DESIGN QUESTIONS, IF THERE WAS STILL ANY, 'CAUSE WE DID HEAR SOME AT THE BEGINNING AS THE BRIEFING.
I I HAVE ONE ABOUT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE FIBERGLASS DOORS.
SO THEY, THEY'RE CHEAPER TO MAINTAIN BECAUSE YOU DON'T PAINT THEM, THEY JUST ARE A COLOR.
IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? WELL, YOU, YOU DO PAINT THEM.
YOU CAN ALSO ORDER THEM CUSTOM PAINTED WHERE THE COLOR IS ALREADY KIND
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OF BAKED IN.THEY DO HAVE A WOOD TEXTURE TO THEM SO WHEN THEY'RE PAINTED FROM THE STREET, THEY WILL LOOK LIKE IT'S A WOOD DOOR.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN PASSING YOU CAN IT NOT REALLY TELL, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S PAINTED.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHETHER THE USE OF THAT DOOR LIMITED THE OPTIONS FOR COLOR, BUT APPARENTLY NO, IT DOES NOT.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE VINYL, YOU KNOW.
NO, AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT REALLY KIND OF HAPPENS WITH THIS PROPERTY WHEN WE REVIEWED IT WITH PAST WAS THAT IN, IN THE 1960S IT MIGHT HAVE HAD A MILD REVAMP.
SO THE DOORS ARE MISMATCHED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
THERE'S SOME 19, YOU KNOW, MID-CENTURY ELEMENTS, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME TRADITIONAL ELEMENTS WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN THE FORTIES.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO JUST REVERT IT BACK AND MAKE IT MORE OF THE TRADITIONAL FROM THE FORTIES VERSUS KIND OF TRYING TO KEEP THE 1960S ELEMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED AFTER THE FACT.
IT DID SEEM THE DOORS IN PARTICULAR WERE MISHMASH.
I ASSUME SOMETHING HAPPENED TO A FEW OF 'EM THAT HAD TO BE REPLACED.
UM, SAME WITH THE RAILINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REVERT BACK.
UH, DID ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR FOR MS. DENT? COMMISSIONER PERI? NO, ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE WINDOWS ARE THE, UM, UH, WINDOW UNITS GOING AWAY, THE AC UNITS, SO THAT YES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I HAVE A BIT OF CLARITY I THINK TO SHARE THAT MIGHT HELP SHED LIGHT IS WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITY OF DALLAS ONLINE PERMIT RECORDS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CO UM, IT'S PENDING INSPECTION, BUT THE INTERIOR REMODEL, UM, PERMITS ARE ISSUED.
IT'S THE STAFF REVIEW FOR THE CA THAT'S UNDER REVIEW AT THE MOMENT.
HOW CONVENIENT, YOU KNOW HOW TO LOOK THAT UP RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS THEN IT'S TIME FOR SOMEBODY TO COME UP WITH A MOTION.
OKAY, LET ME SEE IF I CAN COMBINE SOME THINGS HERE.
I MOVED TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UH, I MOVED TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON ITEMS 1, 2, 3, AND FIVE TO, UH, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 24 WITH A CONDITION CITED, UH, CONDITION CITED CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA STANDARDS INCORPORATED FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND ON ITEMS FOUR AND SIX THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF
AND ON ITEM, UH, FIVE, I THINK, I'M SORRY, I ALREADY GOT FIVE.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SUCCESSIVE ONLY.
THE LIGHT FIXTURES AND THE MORE LIGHT FIXTURES.
UHHUH,
UH, YES ON UH, ITEMS SEVEN AND EIGHT THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, MATERIALS, DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 16 20 24 WITH, UH, FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE STANDARDS INCORPORATED FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS SECONDED.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? AM I ALLOWED TO SPEAK? ACTUALLY NOT
YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON 1, 2, 3, AND FIVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
RIGHT? LET'S MAKE, DID SHE SAY TASK FORCE OR STAFF? WELL, SHE, COMMISSIONER OSA DID YOU MEAN
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TASK FORCE OR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.SO, SO WE ARE NOW ALL CLEAR IF SHE'S YEP.
IF, IF SHE DOES AGREE WITH STAFF ON TWO AND THREE, THEN I THINK TECHNICALLY IT'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ALL EIGHT ITEMS. IT'S, SO ALL THE APPROVAL APPROVALS ARE FOLLOWING, RIGHT? IT IS.
I JUST WANTED TO SPECIFY, UH, THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS THEN THE CONDITIONS CITED ON SOME OF THEM.
SO PRETTY MUCH WE'RE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
ARE WE READY FOR VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY, ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT.
THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED AND WE WISH YOU LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.
UH, YOU HAD, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANNA TELL US SOMETHING STILL
I JUST, UH, I'LL, I'LL BE APPEALING.
UM, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE ARE SIMILAR ELEMENTS THAT EXIST IN THE LAND IN THAT HISTORIC OVERLAY, THE, THE CODE SAYS THAT LANDMARK COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, MUST ALLOW THAT ELEMENT IN A NEW PROJECT.
ALRIGHT? AND SO IT'S A WASTE OF MY SIX WEEKS AND THOUSAND DOLLARS TO APPEAL WHERE IT WILL BE APPROVED AT CPC AND I, I AM SORRY THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO TURN OUT.
AND, UM, I, WE, WE ALWAYS DO REMIND YOU THAT IF, IF YOU'VE RECEIVED ANY SORT OF DENIAL, YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO CPC AND THEIR BASIS FOR JUDGMENT WILL BE WHETHER OR NOT WE AIRED IN OUR JUDGMENT AND THAT THAT WILL BE UP TO THEM.
AND, UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I WISH THAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO COME TALK TO US AGAIN, BUT IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO APPEAL AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN DO.
AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK EVENTUALLY, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR PLANS.
AND I DO WISH YOU WELL WITH, WITH WORKING ON THIS APARTMENT.
OKAY, D FOUR D FOUR IS 45 0 2 SYCAMORE STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD.
HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH 180 2 MW.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 20 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 2.1, 2.3, 2.5, 2.9, 2.1, 2.12 POINT 13 2.1 2 15 3 7 AND SECTION FOUR PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY MAIN STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ROOF PITCH ON HOUSE SHOULD BE SIX AND 12.
GARAGE ROOF FIVE AND 12 AND FRONT PORCH.
ROOF PITCH SHOULD BE AT LEAST THREE AND 12 TWO.
FOUNDATION HEIGHT SHOULD BE 24 INCHES FROM FINISHED.
FRONT DOOR SHOULD BE AT LEAST 40 INCHES WIDE.
FIVE SIDE FENCE DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT AND SHOULD BE 50% BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SIX FINAL SHOULD FENAL SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE THE SIDE YARD FENCE.
CONFIRM THAT WINDOWS ARE WOOD ON WOOD AND THAT MUL ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS WINDOWS TO BE TO HAVE ONE INCH BY SIX INCH.
TRIM TO BE ONE INCH BY FOUR TO SIX INCHES.
APPLICANT TO ADD TRIM BELOW SASH.
AS OTHER HISTORIC HOUSES IN THE AREA HAVE ONE TO TWO INCHES.
NINE WINDOWS IN THE DORMER SHOULD BE GAINED.
RECOMMEND APPLICANT FIND SOLUTION TO INCREASE THE FENESTRATIONS ON THE BACK ELEVATION.
SECOND FLOOR 11, BACK ELEVATION.
RECOMMEND ADDING THREE FULL-SIZED GANGED.
WINDOWS 12 RECOMMENDED COLOR FOR SHINGLES WEATHERED WOOD.
RECOMMEND THAT WINDOW SASHES AND WINDOW TRIM CAP BE PAINTED.
NEEDLE POINT NAVY 14 LIGHTS SHOULD BE LESS MODERN AND MORE CRAFTSMAN.
PRAIRIE STYLE 15 NEED SUBMISSION FOR DOOR HARDWARE.
16 GUTTERS SHOULD BE PAINTED TO MATCH.
AND WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR D FOUR ANTHONY CARDIN.
HI THERE, HOW ARE YOU? WE ARE FINE SIR.
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I'M SURE YOU KNOW THE DRILL BY NOW.SO MY NAME'S ANTHONY CARDIN AND I LIVE AT 1919 JACKSON STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1.
AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND WE HEARD YOU HAVE A COPY OF VIRGINIA MCALLISTER'S FIELD GUIDE BOOK THAT YOU, YOU BROUGHT IT WITH YOU HERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE BIBLE, UH, GOING FORWARD.
SO MORE OR LESS, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY REBUTTALS AS FAR AS COMMENTS GO.
WE PICKED UP ALL OF THE TASK FORCE COMMENTS, BUT WHAT I DID HEAR WERE A FEW ISSUES REGARDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FENCE STYLE WAS.
SO IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE BLOCKING THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE SIDE.
SO I DIDN'T PROVIDE A SPECIFICATION JUST BECAUSE IT WAS MORE OR LESS A, UH, TYPICAL WOOD FENCE.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I SAW WAS RICK AT THE HERE AND BEAM FOUNDATION, AND I ACTUALLY GOT THAT FROM A PROJECT HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS, WHICH WAS IN THE BOOK.
AND, UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST SIMILAR CONDITIONS TO THE FRONT PORCH THAT I COULD FIND.
AND SO THAT WAS WHERE THE BRICK WRAPPED AROUND.
AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION ON HERE TO ANSWER IS REGARDING THE WINDOWS.
SO I DEALT WITH A WINDOW MANUFACTURER WHO WAS REALLY NOT GREAT TO DEAL WITH AND WE WANTED TO POINT OUT VERY SPECIFICALLY THAT SIMULATED LIGHT MEANS THAT THE MUTTON IS ACTUALLY ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS AND THAT IT SAYS WOOD WINDOW.
IF IT WAS LIKE AN OVERLAY, IT WOULD'VE SAID WOOD AND ALUMINUM.
AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I GOT IT
AND SO HE WOULDN'T PROVIDE ME WITH ANY SECTIONS, BUT THERE ARE SOME IMAGES OF THAT WITHIN THE SPECIFICATION.
I I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT IT DOES INDEED MEET THOSE, MEET YOUR YOUR QUESTION.
UM, SO BEFORE ANYTHING IS STAMPED AND APPROVED, IT WILL.
AND SO THAT KIND OF JUST GOES CONSISTENT WITH BOTH PROPERTIES.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I GOT UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, I'M SURE SOMEONE WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
I THINK YOU GET BRAVE REVIEWS FOR COMING WITH THE RIGHT SPIRIT AND THE RIGHT ENTHUSIASM AND WELL THANK YOU.
BEING EASY TO WORK WITH AND, UM, WILLING TO MASSAGE THINGS.
AND WE'RE ALL EAGER TO HAVE POSITIVE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN PIZZA SUBURBAN.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT LOTS OVER THERE AND IT'S VULNERABLE LIKE ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS.
SO I'M HOPING THIS WILL PROVE TO BE VERY EXEMPLARY.
I HAVE ONE LITTLE QUESTION AND TRUST ME, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO I PROBABLY HAVE NO BUSINESS ASKING THIS QUESTION, BUT I DID ASK MR. GUEST IF I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT THING.
SO IN VIEW, A SIX, WHICH APPEARS ON PAGE 5 55 OF 7 92 OF OUR AGENDA WHERE IT SHOWS THE, UM, INTERIOR SIDE YARD YES.
WHERE THE GARAGE CONNECTS TO THAT OPEN LITTLE DECK.
ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE HERE, IT'S THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE, UM, ATTACHED GARAGE SHOWS AND THEN THIS, UM, I DON'T HAVE, UH, THE SAME PAGE NUMBERS IS IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE DRAWING, IS IT LIKE A THREE OR A SIX? A SIX.
AND THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS I'M A REALTOR.
I ALSO HAVE AN OLD HOUSE, AND I LOOK OUT MY WINDOW AND I SEE WATER ROLLING OFF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
AND I'M WONDERING AS WATER, LIKE DURING THESE HEAVY RAINSTORMS WE HAVE, UM, OH, RIGHT HERE THAT VALLEY AND THE, IT'S, IT'D BE A SIX THAT LOOKS LIKE A SOMETHING I AM MISSING A ONE ABOVE.
OH, ARE THEY NOT IN ORDER? OKAY.
SO ONE OF THE ISSUES WE DID HAVE WITH THE GARAGE WAS WE WENT TO CITY ZONING AND THEY SPECIFIED THAT WE HAD TO BE 20 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO THAT PUSHED OUR WHOLE GARAGE BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN WE WANTED TO.
AND I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT.
IF IT'S NON DETACHED, IT'S GONNA BE TAKING UP SOME OF THE BACKYARD AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, AND I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ARE YOU TALKING IT'S THE BOTTOM DRAWING.
THE THE BOTTOM ONE THERE WHERE THE, THE VALLEY IN THE SECOND STORY.
COMES TO THE CENTER ON THE CORNER.
I MEAN, THERE'S A GUTTER THERE, THERE'S A DOWNSPOUT THERE.
BUT AS OFTEN HAPPENS IN THESE DOLLY WASHERS WE GET, IT'S LIKE, UM, WATER COULD VERY WELL JUST COME SHOOTING DOWN THAT VALLEY AND JUST DUMP RIGHT THERE IN THAT CORNER.
UM, AND SO I WAS THINKING THAT COULD THAT GARAGE ROOF LINE BE EXTENDED INTO THAT
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CORNER TO MAKE THAT SHADY SO IT DOESN'T BECOME A HOTSPOT AND DOESN'T LET WATER? OH, YOU'RE SAYING BRING THAT ALL THE WAY ACROSS.COULD IT COME BACK TO THE HOUSE? YEAH, I MEAN IT MIGHT, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE NICE.
IT MIGHT KEEP, UM, AS MUCH LIGHT FROM COMING IN THERE, BUT I THINK YOU MIGHT FIND IT OVER TIME.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A NICE CLEAN DETAIL.
THE WEAR AND TEAR WOULD BE BETTER.
AND UM, YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PROTECTION THERE TOO.
YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN I KEPT STUDYING IT AND I KEPT THINKING, UH, IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE TONS OF WATER COMING IN.
IT'S REALLY NOT A PRETTY SITUATION BACK THERE SINCE WE HAD TO BUMP THAT WHOLE GARAGE BACK.
BUT I LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE A VERY POSITIVE, THAT LITTLE GAP MAKES ME THINK THAT IT COULD BE IMPROVED.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GRANT THAT WITH OUR MOTION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT CONDITION AND LEAVE IT TO STAFF TO FINETUNE IT.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT HOOK.
IT'S VERY OBSERVANT, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
AND PLANNING AHEAD FOR THE INHABITANTS AND WHAT THEY WOULD MOST ENJOY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS? NO.
WELL THEN SOMEONE MUST HAVE A MOTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, UM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, IN THE MATTER OF DISCUSSION ITEM 4 45 0 2 SYCAMORE STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 1 8 2 W.
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
UM, AND AS, UM, UH, WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE CITY CODE CITED.
AND, UM, UM, ALSO WITH RESPECT TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WHO WAS THAT? WHO SECONDED? ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE OUR, OUR MOTION AND OUR SECOND.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I COULD HAVE A CAVEAT THAT SHOULD THE APPLICANT WISH TO CREATE AN OVERHANG AT THE UM, YEAH, WELL I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING, LIKE OF THE CONDITION YES.
THAT MARCUS WILL ASSIST IN MAKING SURE IT GOES THROUGH THE WAY WE WOULD'VE WANTED.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF YOUR MOTION.
THAT, THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT.
I DON'T, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT, MAYBE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE COMMISSION AGREES THE, UM, APPLICANT CAN WORK OUT AN A COVERING THERE IN THAT AREA, I THINK WITH STAFF AND, AND WORK WITH STAFF.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S A CONDITION FOR CHANGING THAT PARTICULAR ROOF SITUATION FOR THE REASONS YOU STATED WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE APPLICANT TO HIM.
IT WON'T BE SEEN FROM THE STREET ANYWAY.
I THINK COMMISSIONER RENO COULD HELP ME SAY IT IF I HAD TO SAY IT ANY BETTER, BUT THAT'S THE BEST AND NON-ARCHITECT COULD GET.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ADD A, A CONDITION? YES.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALL GONNA HAVE RECITE IT TOGETHER.
UM, THAT THE PORCH OR THAT THE ROOF OVER THE PORCH CONDITION, UH, BETWEEN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE GARAGE, UH, BE BETTER RESOLVED TO, UM, UH, TAKE CARE OF OR, OR PROVIDE BETTER RESOLVED TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, UH, RAINFALL.
AND OUR SECOND APPROVES OF THIS, IT'S APPROVED.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL IS IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
ITEM D FIVE IS 45 10 SYCAMORE STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION N NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH FOUR UM DASH 180 3 MW.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO-STORY.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE AND A ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO-STORY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE AND A ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS, DRAWINGS, AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 20 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 2.1, 2.3, 2.5, 2.9, 2.1, 2.1322 POINT 15, 3.7.
AND SECTION FOUR PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
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CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR ITS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL MAIN STRUCTURE AND A ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.COMMENTS ONE ROOF PITCH ON THE HOUSE SHOULD BE SIX AND 12 PORCH.
ROOF PITCH MINIMUM OF THREE AND 12 AND GARAGE ROOF PITCH SHOULD BE FIVE AND 12 TWO.
FOUNDATION HEIGHT SHOULD BE 24 INCHES FROM FINISHED.
ADD WING WALLS TO FRONT PORCH.
STEPS WITH CAST STONE ON TOP FOUR CONSIDERED ADDING TRANSOM TO FRONT DOOR.
THE CENTER WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS SHOULD HAVE SIX PAINTS.
SIX ALL WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE SHOULD BE THREE OVER ONE.
EIGHT ILS SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE SIDE YARD FENCE.
CONFIRM THAT THE WINDOWS ARE WOOD ON WOOD AND THAT MILLIONS ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS.
10 WINDOWS TO HAVE ONE INCH BY SIX INCH HEADER AND CAT MOLDING SIDE TRIMMED TO BE ONE INCH BY FOUR TO SIX INCHES.
APPLICANT SHOULD ADD TRIM WINDOWS.
UH, ADD TRIM BELOW SASH AS OTHER HISTORIC HOUSES IN THE AREA HAVE ONE TO TWO INCHES.
RECOMMENDED COLOR FOR SHINGLES WEATHERED WOOD OR GRAYER.
RECOMMEND THAT WINDOW SASHES AND WINDOW TRIM BE PAINTED.
IRON ORE 14 LIGHT SHOULD BE LESS MODERN AND MORE CRAFTSMAN.
15 NEED SUB SUBMISSION FOR DOOR HARDWARE.
16 GUTTERS TO BE PAINTED TO MATCH.
ALRIGHT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS HOUSE IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE JUST LOOKED AT.
UM, QUESTIONS PRETTY THE SAME COMMENT WAS PICKED UP EVERY THING THAT THEY REQUESTED.
UM, ONE THING I DID THINK ABOUT WAS LIGHTING OPTIONS.
UH, I PROVIDED A FEW DIFFERENT SPECIFICATIONS TO KIND OF PLUG AND PLAY WITH SO THAT WE'RE NOT LIKE THE EXACT LIGHTING, SAME DOOR HARDWARE, SAME WINDOW.
SO I WAS TRYING TO PROVIDE A FEW OPTIONS FOR THE BUILDER TO WORK WITH.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
AND I DID THAT FOR BOTH HOUSES AS WELL.
I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IN FACT, I LIVE ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY.
AND I THINK YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AND YOU WORKED VERY WELL WITH THE TASK FORCE AND STAFF ON A ACCOMMODATE GIVE YOU A CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.
I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF WHEN APPROPRIATE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR WISH TO DISCUSS THE LITTLE BACK PORCH AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO HERE TO KEEP THE RANK? IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY DISCUSSION, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION.
ARE YOU READY? IN THE, UH, 45 10 SYCAMORE STREET CA 2 3 4 DASH 180 3 MWI APPROVE.
I RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND DID YOU WANT TO ADD A CONDITION ALLOWING FOR A CHANGE IN THAT LITTLE BACKYARD BACK, BACK PORCH ROOF FOR THE SAME SAME.
THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE THAT BACK PORCH.
IT HAS, IT HAS A LITTLE PORCH.
IT'S THE DETACHED GARAGE THOUGH.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A GARAGE, BUT IT'S STILL A PORCH WITH NO COVER.
I DIDN'T SEE IS THIS CONDITION THE SAME? SO THERE, THERE'S THE BACK PORCH ON THIS ONE.
OH, WELL FOR SOME REASON THERE'S A LEG.
YEAH, WELL THERE'S A BACK PORCH WITH ABSOLUTELY NO COVERING ON IT.
AND I THOUGHT WE WANT TO THROW IN A CONDITION THAT ALLOWS FOR ADDING SOME SORT OF LITTLE ROOF.
WITH THE, WITH THE CONDITION OF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REVISE THE REAR ROOF ADDITION, UM, FOR, FOR THE RAINWATER SITUATION.
THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
AND WHO IS OUR SECOND? WHO IS OUR SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
COMMISSIONER RENO IS OUR SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? READY TO VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT.
IT HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AGAIN, SO YOU, YOU HAVE A BUSY JOB AHEAD OF YOU GETTING SOME HOUSES BUILT.
AND I LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT I WALK BY THERE AND THEY'VE NEVER KEPT THAT LOT MOWED, SO NOW AT LEAST THE SIDEWALK WILL BE POSSIBLE, I ASSUME.
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RIGHT, NEXT STEP IS C SIX D SIX.RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 3 4 SOUTH CLIFF STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 DASH 1 99 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 19 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT GARAGE BE SEPARATED FROM THE MAIN BUILDING BY A HYPHEN CONNECTOR FOR APPROPRIATE MASSING THAT PAIRED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A SINGLE MILLION AS OPPOSED TO INDIVIDUALLY FRAMED AND THAT A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE PARKING PAD BE INSTALLED TO THE REAR OF THE GARAGE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 1.3 PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION 3.2 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT THE FRONT DOORS BE MOVED INWARD BY ONE FOOT.
THAT THAT INNER PORCH COLUMNS BE MOVED TO ALIGN WITH THE OUTER EDGES OF FRONT DOORS AND THE FRONT RAILINGS BE REDUCED IN LENGTH TO COINCIDE WITH THE RECOMMENDED PLACEMENT OF THE INNER PORCH COLUMNS.
THERE'S ALSO A NOTE THAT APPLICANT SUBMITTED REVISIONS THAT ADDRESS THE TASK FORCE COMMENTS AND CONDITIONS.
AND WE, WE ONCE AGAIN HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER OF GIANCARLO GRANT, PROBABLY ONLINE.
I AM NOT ABLE TO SEE THE BOX WHERE HE WILL BE.
SO THERE, SO I WILL STOP SHARING SO HE CAN SPEAK.
UH, IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? I'M NOT HEARING YOU MR. GRANT, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW AND WE CAN SEE YOU.
UM, WELL NOW, NOW HIS FACE WENT AWAY.
SO, UM, WHAT, YOU HAVE TO START OF COURSE AGAIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME IS JEN CARLA GRANT, UH, I LIVE AT 2 8 7 1 EAST OVERTON ROAD, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 6.
AND UH, AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'LL TELL US THE TRUTH? YES.
SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND THEN OF COURSE WE WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
UM, CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN? MAYBE NOT YET, BUT OKAY.
UM, YEAH, JUST WANTED TO GO BACK SLIGHTLY, GONNA SKIPPED AHEAD, BUT I WENT THROUGH, LISTENED TO BOTH YOU GUYS' RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS THE TASK FORCE AND TRIED TO COME TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UH, MAKE EVERYONE KIND OF HAPPY.
UH, THIS IS KINDA WHAT I STARTED OUT WITH WHAT'S ON DALLAS CITY'S WEBSITE AS THE TYPES OF THAT WERE FOR OUR 10TH STREET AND KIND OF THE, WHAT, WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW.
AND THEN, UM, THIS IS KIND OF SOME OF THE CONTEMPORARY HOUSES IN 10TH STREET RIGHT NOW.
UM, THIS ONE, THIS ONE'S A CRAFTMAN AND THEN THE OTHER TWO, I CAN'T REALLY, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY CLASSIFY AS.
AND THEN, UM, THIS WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT DR. DUNN PROVIDED TO ME AS LIKE A, A GUIDELINE
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FOR, YOU KNOW, THE TYPES OF HOUSES WITHIN TENS STREET.AND, UM, I KNOW LIKE SHOTGUN STYLE HOMES ARE ONE OF THE TYPE OF HOMES IN 10TH STREET AND EVEN THESE GUIDELINES ARE LIKE 28 FEET WIDE, WHICH IS MUCH WIDER THAN A SHOTGUN GUN IN THE HOUSE WOULD EVER BE.
I KNOW THESE WERE SOME OF YOUR CRITICISMS THAT IT WAS TOO LONG.
UM, ADD THE HYPHEN THE SLOPE TO THE GARAGE IS TOO MUCH.
THE UPPER WINDOW WAS TOO LARGE.
UH, YOU GUYS DIDN'T LIGHT ENTRY FROM CLARENDON STREET.
DIDN'T LIKE THE LACK OF SYMMETRY.
SO I TRIED TO ADDRESS EACH OF THOSE THINGS.
I SHORTENED THE HOUSE BY ABOUT 20 FEET.
UM, I DID WIDEN THE HOUSE BY THREE FEET AND THEN NOW IT'S A DOUBLE SHOTGUN INSTEAD OF A SINGLE SHOTGUN.
AND SHOTGUNS ARE USUALLY A MAX OF 12 FEET.
AND THIS HOUSE IS ABOUT 20, 26 INCHES, 26 FEET WIDE.
UM, FINISHED FLOOR, DROPPED IT TO 18 INCHES ABOVE GROUND LEVEL.
I REDUCED THE UPPER SIZE OF THE, REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE UPPER WINDOWS AND MADE IT A SYMMETRICAL SHOTGUN.
WHEN I WENT TO TASK FORCE, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE I HAD SO MANY COLUMNS.
UH, THEY ASKED ME TO REDUCE THAT BY THE STAIRCASE.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF SOME OF THE EXISTING DOUBLE SHOTGUNS IN 10TH STREET.
UH, SO FOUR COLUMNS USUALLY WINDOW DOOR, DOOR WINDOW.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COME OUT WITH, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO YEAH, MOVE THE ENTRANCE TO, UH, CLIFF STREET AND THIS IS WHAT THE SIDE ELEVATIONS LOOK LIKE.
YOU MUST HAVE REHEARSED THAT
COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UH, SINCE WE'RE REQUIRING AN 18 INCH FOUNDATION, UM, ARE YOU PROPOSING A RAMP IN THE BACK TO GET INTO THE GARAGE DOOR? YEAH, THE, THE ENTIRE, THE THE, THE GROUND WILL BE SLOPED TO GET IN THERE.
SO YOU'LL SLOPE THE ENTIRE GROUND UP TO THAT? YES.
SO THEN YOU PROBABLY NEED TO SHOW THAT IN YOUR DRAWING BECAUSE IF THIS GOES TO BUILDING INSPECTION, THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE AN 18 INCH FOUNDATION.
SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE RECTIFIED STAFF IN TERMS OF WHEN HE SHOWS THE, UH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW HE'S NOT SHOWING ANYTHING IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF HARDSCAPING BEHIND THE GARAGE OR BEHIND THE REAR GARAGE.
BUT IF HE CHANGES THE, THE ENTIRE LEVEL OF THE LA BACK LOCK TO GO UP TO THAT, THEN IS THAT GONNA IT'LL HE'LL LOSE THE 18 INCH FOUNDATION ON THE BACK AND THAT MAY BE A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, WELL BUILDING INSPECTION.
WONDER WHERE HE, HE'S, IT'S LIKE HE'S BUILDING IT INTO THE DIRT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY REALIZES THAT SO THAT BUILDING INSPECTION DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM.
THEY WILL MAKE HIM STICK TO THE 18 INCH, AS YOU'RE SAYING, UH, ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO I GUESS IN OUR CONDITIONS WE CAN SAY THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONCRETE SLOPING GOING UP TO THE REAR GARAGE DOOR TO MATCH THE 18 INCH FOUNDATION.
COMMISSIONER, WHO WAS FIRST? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
UM, JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE GARAGE AND ACCESS TO THE GARAGE.
'CAUSE IT SHOWS ON THE PLAN THAT THE CONCRETE STOPS AT THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING GOING TO THE GARAGE DOOR.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK? UH, THAT'S WHY I HAVE IT AS A CONDITION.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
AND MR. GRANT, YOU NEED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, THAT'S SAYING YOU NEED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
YEAH, NO, BASICALLY I I I, I PUT ASIDE EVERYTHING FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T SHOW THE TREES.
UM, SO BASICALLY, YEAH, IT WOULD BE A CONCRETE PAD, UM, AT THE BACK THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY SLOPE AND BACK TO MATCH THE EXISTING GRADE.
UM, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF DIFFICULT.
YOU GOTTA MAKE A PRETTY SHARP TURN AROUND THERE TO GET INTO THE GARAGE FROM THAT DRIVEWAY THAT'S ON THE PLAN.
YEAH, WELL, MY, MY
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LET'S CALL IT PROBLEM.UM, I, I CAN'T PUT THE GARAGE DOOR AT THE SIDE AND THEN SLOPE UP FROM THERE AND IT'S AN EASIER TURN IN, BUT, UM, BUT I WAS TRYING TO KEEP THE GARAGE AT THE BACK SINCE YEAH.
UH, YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BACK.
BUT, UM, I, MY MY INTENTION WAS TO, LIKE I WAS SAYING, UH, JUST, JUST DO A SLOPE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE GARAGE DOOR BACK DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, EXISTING GRADES AND THEN YOU WOULD MAKE THAT 180, UH, TO GET INTO THE GARAGE.
BUT HONESTLY FOR ME IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ENTER FROM THE SIDE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE SEEN FROM THE STREET.
BUT THE, THE INTENTION IS TO, LIKE I SAID TO YOU GUYS BEFORE, WAS TO LIKE REPL THE LOT AND PUT ANOTHER HOUSE BESIDE IT.
AND YEAH, I WAS ALSO THINKING THAT WITH, WITH FENCING, UM, I THINK I'M ALLOWED TO DO UP TO A NINE FOOT FENCE, SO IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ME ALSO TO HIDE THAT BACK HALF OF THE HOUSE WITH A FENCE.
SO, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
UM, I DEFINITELY WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THE ADJUSTMENTS YOU'VE MADE TO THE ACTUAL HOUSE WITH THE LISTING OF THE TASK FORCE, UM, WITH THE COLUMNS, THE DOORS, THE WINDOWS, UH, THE DOUBLE SHOTGUN AND THE HISTORY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU RESPONDED WELL TO THE OTHER COMMENTS.
I STILL THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THAT BACK GARAGE.
UM, AND SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU SHOW THAT DRIVEWAY HARDSCAPE TO STAFF SO THAT IT ALIGNS WITH THAT 18 INCH, UH, LIFT ON YOUR FINAL CA SITE PLAN.
WE, WE DONE, I HAVE TO READ YOUR ALL NAME.
WHAT, WHAT FOR THE, UH, WE DID NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES, BUT LET'S GO THE PEOPLE ONLINE CALL.
FOR THE TOPIC, UH, 2 3 4 SOUTH CLIFF STREET, 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORICAL DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 1 0 9 RD.
I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND TAP OF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE DRIVEWAY RCAP, UM, IS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN LEADING UP TO THAT BACK REAR GARAGE.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER OSA SECONDED.
UM, ALL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN WE ARE READY TO TAKE THE VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
YOU HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR YOUR HOUSE, UM, AND GOOD LUCK BUILDING THAT AND THANK YOU FOR BUILDING 10TH STREET.
IT'S A CHALLENGE AND IT'S WELL WORTH, WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN.
YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALRIGHT, NOW I BELIEVE, UH, ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS MUST LEAVE AND GO TO ANOTHER MEETING.
OKAY? NOT YET, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A LITTLE BREAK.
BE BACK BEFORE THREE 10 PLEASE.
SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WITH OUR WORK.
NEXT UP IS OUR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER ONE.
ALRIGHT, CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 1 59 0 6 REGER AVENUE, JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 1 9 5 CM.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FENCE IN FRONT YARD REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LIGHTS ON FENCE NEAR THE GATE.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FENCE IN FRONT YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE AS A WORK AS A PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.6 A AND DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH
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4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LIGHTS ON THE FENCE NEAR THE GATE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MATERIALS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3.4, I MEAN THREE FOUR 2024.THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA 3.5 A AND MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF TO INSTALL FENCE IN FRONT YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE PER SECTION 3.6 0.2 OF THE GENIUS HEIGHTS ORDINANCE.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LIGHTS ON FENCE NEAR THE GATE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDS MORE APPROPRIATE LIGHT STYLE.
WE HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKER ON THIS, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR THE APPLICANT'S POINT OF VIEW AND REASONS FOR WHY THEY WISH THIS SO.
UM, THERE'S ONLY STAFF TO ASK QUESTIONS OF IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
I WAS ABLE TO GET MORE, UM, PICTURES, UM, FROM ADRIAN AS THE FENCE HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
SO SHE HAS VERY GOOD PICTURES, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.
UM, JUST SO EVERYONE HAS A CLEAR IDEA OF E THREE FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD FOR YOUR REVIEW.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN, IF I CAN VIEW IT OR LIGHT, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IT.
CAN YOU SEE IT ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREENS? BETTER? BARELY.
LET ME SEE IF THERE'S A BETTER ONE THAT, WELL, THAT TRUCK COULD HAVE MOVED
AND ALSO, UM, I FOUND A MEASUREMENT.
OKAY, THERE'S THE POST, THERE'S THE END POST.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 11 FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK.
UM, I'M TRYING TO GET THE OTHER ONE TO OPEN UP BECAUSE THERE WAS HOW ABOUT THAT ONE? HOLD ON.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU SEE IT A BIT BETTER THERE? YEAH, IT'S BETTER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BRIGHTEN IT ON THAT
SO, UM, THOSE ARE CON THE, THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT FENCE AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO THE LIGHTS.
UM, I CAN PULL THOSE UP AFTER DONE.
EXCUSE ME MADAM IT MADAM CHAIR, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE CHAT THAT THERE IS AN APPLICANT FOR THIS ADDRESS THAT'S TRYING TO SPEAK OR GET IN TOUCH WITH.
THERE IS, BUT HE DID NOT SIGN UP.
WE'VE HAD TO COME IN PERSON, CORRECT?
THIS WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE IF WE COULD TALK TO THE APPLICANT.
SO, OKAY, IF IT'S MY MEETING THEN I THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE ALL JUST SITTING AROUND GUESSING.
SO ADRIAN SHOULD DO WHATEVER SHE NEEDS TO DO.
UM, HERE I WILL STOP THE SHARING JUST SO WE CAN SEE HIM AND THEN I'LL SHARE IT.
SO I THINK, OH, SHE'S GOTTA UNMUTE HIM.
JIMMY, ARE YOU THERE? THIS IS YOUR, YOUR ONE CHANCE TO SPEAK? YES, MR. BALLMAN, WE NEED TO SEE YOU AND HEAR FROM YOU TO HAVE YOU SPEAK AT OUR MEETING.
SO WE'LL JUST WAIT WHILE YOU WORK ON YOUR AUDIO AND VISUAL.
I KNOW WE'VE ALL HAD THOSE ISSUES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL AVAILABLE.
HE TYPED MAYBE ABOUT TWO MINUTES AGO, UH, THAT THE THREE FOOT FENCE POSTS AND CROSS MEMBERS HAVE BEEN INTACT FOR 60 YEARS.
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BEAUTIFUL CEDAR TO COMPLIMENT MY APPROVED FENCE AND FIT IT IN WITH OTHER FENCES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.AND I AM HERE IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S UNMUTING ME.
OH YES, WE OKAY, WE HEAR YOU NOW.
WE NOW HEAR YOU APOLOGIZE, ALL THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S A STATE RULE.
WE HAVE TO SEE YOU TO MAKE SURE SOMEONE'S NOT IMPERSONATING YOU.
NOBODY WANTS TO BE ME, I PROMISE.
UM, IS WHAT DO I HIT ON MY END TO, TO MAKE ME SEEN? OKAY, WE CAN NOW SEE YOU.
SO JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS 'CAUSE WE HAVE EVERYBODY DO THAT.
JAMES BOWMAN, B-A-U-M-A-N-N 59 0 6 RIEGER AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND UH, YOU PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND YES, WE CAN'T SEE HIM ON THE BIG SCREENS HERE, BUT I CAN SEE HIM ON KATE SINGLETON'S COMPUTER.
AND NOW HE'S, NOW HE'S UP THERE.
OKAY SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT YOU'D LIKE US TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND THEN WE WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
SO I DID APPLY FOR THE ORIGINAL PERMIT FOR THE FENCE AND IT WAS ALL APPROVED.
THE PART I DID NOT PUT ON MY ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS THAT THREE FOOT SECTION.
UH, WHEN I PURCHASED THE HOME A YEAR AGO, THE SELLERS TOLD ME THAT HAD BEEN THERE SINCE THE BUILD, THE TIME OF BUILD AND THERE WERE THREE FOOT POSTS AND THE CROSS MEMBERS THAT SUPPORT THE FENCE, THEY'RE ALL INTACT.
JUST THE CHAIN LINKS HAVE BEEN DESTROYED OVER THE YEARS.
SO THEY REMOVED THE CHAIN LINK.
SO IN MY OPINION, THE FENCE WAS THERE.
I JUST ADDED WOOD TO IT 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TO PUT NEW POSTS OR NEW CROSS MEMBERS OR ANYTHING.
I JUST ADDED WOOD TO IT TO COMPLIMENT THE REST OF MY EIGHT FOOT FOOT FENCE AROUND THE BACK OF MY YARD.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE PHOTO WAS NOT STAINED BECAUSE I, WHEN CO COMPLIANCE CAME OUT, I STOPPED EVERYTHING.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF I'M ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH IT, IT WILL BE STAINED, IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE BEAUTIFUL.
I'LL DO BOTH SIDES TO MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT.
MY MAIN CONCERN, THE MAIN REASON I WANT THAT, THE NEXT, YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PHOTO THAT'S UP, THERE'S USUALLY CARS PARKED LIKE ON THAT GRASSY AREA FACING MY PROPERTY.
SO THE HEADLIGHTS SHINE IN AND I HATE TO SAY IT, IT IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
THEY DON'T TREAT THE PROPERTIES AS MICE AS LIKE THEY SHOULD.
SO THERE'S COKE CANS IN THE DOG, POOP BAGS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF OUT THERE.
SO IT KIND OF GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY FROM THAT.
IT AVOIDS PEOPLE FROM WALKING ACROSS THE GRASS, LIKE ALL THE SCHOOL KIDS, LIKE THEY WALKED OUT OUR FRONT YARD.
AND IT IS SET BACK 11 FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAD TO WALK ON THE GRASS, THEY COULD.
SO MY PLEA IS JUST TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT.
AND I DID HEAR THE PART BEFORE ABOUT THE LIGHTING.
UH, I DO WANT LIGHTING FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
I MOVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE IT'S SAFER THAN THE LAST ONE.
SO I'LL JUST WORK WITH WHOMEVER TO FIGURE OUT WHICH LIGHTING IS MOST SUITABLE FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND I, IS THAT ALL WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT? I THINK WE TALKED, YOU ALL HAD ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FENCE AND THE SHUTTERS AND ALL THAT.
UH, NO THEY DIDN'T, BUT I APPROVED THAT ADMINISTRATIVE.
SO I THINK THIS WAS JUST ABOUT THE LIGHTING AND THAT FENCE.
SO THAT'S MY TWO AND A HALF MINUTES.
UH, JUST LIKE TO KEEP WHAT I HAVE.
IF I HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN, I'LL, I'LL DO IT.
I THINK IT REALLY COMPLIMENTS THE AREA.
UM, IT'S A GOOD LOOKING LITTLE FENCE.
SO ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE WALKED THEIR DOGS BY MOST OF 'EM, FOR THE MOST PART THAT I TALK TO HAVE, UH, COMPLIMENTED ME ON THAT.
AND FOR ANY, ANY FUTURE CAS YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT IS BEST TO, TO SPECIFY EACH AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE THEN
NOW AGAIN, I, I THOUGHT THAT SINCE THE THE STRUCTURE WAS THERE, I JUST, I MADE A BAD ASSUMPTION.
I ASSUMED IT WAS SINCE IT WAS THERE.
BUT NO, I JUST, AGAIN, THAT'S AN HONEST MISTAKE.
HAD I KNOWN I I WENT FOR PERMITTING, I WOULD'VE OBVIOUSLY PUT THAT IN THERE.
HAD I, YOU KNOW, KNOWN I HAD TO.
SO IT WAS A DOUBLE MISTAKE ON MY PART.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN FORGIVE ME, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING WHAT WAS OKAY.
I'M JUST WORRIED YOU, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO DOUBLE CHECK FIRST.
NO AND I BELIEVE I WILL NOW ON, BUT I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEAL AND THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT DOES LOOK, IF YOU DRIVE BY, YOU'LL SEE HOW NICE IT LOOKS.
ALRIGHT, WE WILL NOW SEE IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO ASK YOU OR STAFF ABOUT THIS.
OR IF ANYONE'S READY TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION OR WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'LL STOP SHARING SO YOU CAN SEE THAT.
SOMEBODY'S GOT A MIC RUNNING WITH PEOPLE IN THE BACKGROUND.
MR. BOWMAN, PLEASE TURN YOUR MICROPHONE.
YEAH, I'M ALSO TRYING TO FIND THE BUTTON TO DO IT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS THOUGHT AGAIN, WHO HAS A QUESTION OR A MOTION TO MAKE? WE HAVE HEARD OUR
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APPLICANT'S REASONING ON THIS.MR. SHERMAN, I NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.
ABOUT WHY THE TASK FORCE IS SUPPORTIVE OR NO, WHY STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE LIGHTS ON THE FENCE.
THE LIGHTS ON THE FENCE SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR SAFETY AND BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE REALLY DOESN'T SPEAK TO NOT ALLOWING LIGHTS ON THE FENCE.
IT JUST SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE APPROPRIATE.
SO, SO WHAT STAFF IS SAYING THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF LANGUAGE TO THE CONTRARY, THEY CAN'T FIND A REASON, RIGHT, BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO IT BASED ON, I MEAN, AS LONG AS IT, THEY'RE AN APPROPRIATE LIGHT FIXTURE.
THAT'S WHY HE GAVE TWO CHOICES, YOU KNOW, HE'D LIKE TO HAVE, AND THE TWO CHOICES HE GAVE ARE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE ORIGINAL THIN CONTEMPORARY STICK LIGHTS THAT WERE NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND THE COMMENTS MADE IT TASK FORCE AROUND THE LIGHTS WERE JUST THOSE STYLES.
AND HE, HE HAD, HE SUBMITTED THE SECOND SET AFTER TASK FORCE.
TASK FORCE DID NOT LIKE THE THE THIN SKINNY ONE OR THE BOX, BUT TOLD THEM TO LOOK.
SO THE ONES WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE NEW PENDING APPROVAL WOULD BE THE SMALL LIGHT, THE LITTLE BOXY SMALL LIGHT HERE, DOWN LIGHT.
UM, NO DOWNLIGHT AND UPLIGHT, NO, I'LL SHARE THE, THE NEWER ONES.
THE RD TWO THAT ARE UP NOW, THEY'RE AT THE END OF THE DOCKET.
IT SAYS SUBMITTED AFTER TASK FORCE MEETING THE BOX AND THE SKINNY ONE, THE INITIAL ARE RIGHT RD TWO, THESE, THIS ONE OR THIS ONE? VERY, UH, MODERN AND CONTEMPORARY.
SO WE ARE LOOKING, THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO HE'S LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE, HE'S WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON THE LIGHTS.
HE JUST WANTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HIS GATE LIT.
SO WHEN HE PULLED UP TO THE DRIVEWAY, HE FEELS SAFE SEEING THROUGH THE ROUNDS YARD OR WHATNOT.
WELL IN THE, IN THAT SIDE, UH, THE OTHER SIDE SHOWING THE NARROW LIGHTS.
MM-HMM
UM, DID TASK FORCE NOT DEEMED THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT, THE SMALL LIGHT.
THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY, THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE, UH, ANY OF THOSE LIGHTS AND UH, THEY, THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY, UH, EVERYTHING THAT THAT WAS SAID IS ON THE, ON THE AGENDA.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT IT'S LEFT TO, UH, YOU ALL AS A BODY TO DECIDE WHAT YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE FOR EACH SITUATION.
BASICALLY HE JUST WANTS IT LIT SO THAT HE CAN DRIVE UP AND SEE WHAT HE'S DRIVING INTO.
MM-HMM,
UM, THESE, UH, TWO THAT HE CHOSE, I THINK ARE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT'S GONNA BE NEAR THE GATE ON THE BIG EIGHT FOOT BITS? NO, UNLESS WE WANNA HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT A MORE APPROPRIATE LIGHT.
I THINK I'VE GOT, UM, A MOTION.
COULD YOU, UH, CHRISTINA, COULD YOU BRING UP THE, UH, PICTURE AGAIN? THAT WAS OF THE FENCE FROM THE SIDE.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE SIDE OF, OH, IT'S NOT ON THE SCREEN.
SO THIS, THIS IS THE EDGE AND THIS SIDE OF COURSE IS THE HOUSE.
SO THE ONE FROM THE SIDE, THIS IS BEHIND HIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONE FACING, YEAH, THAT'S THE PICTURE I WAS LOOKING FOR.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK, WHAT DOES STAFF FEEL ABOUT MAYBE, UM, ALLOWING A PORTION OF THE FENCE UP TO THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND NOT HAVING THE FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD? WELL, STAFF CAN ONLY APPROVE OR DENY BASED ON THE ORDINANCE.
AND THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE ORDINANCE.
I CAN ONLY STRICTLY SAY WHAT IS ALLOWED
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AND NOT ALLOWED.SO WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE FRONT YARD THEN AS ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE THE FRONT 50%.
DOES THE LANDMARK HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THE FENCE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION? AND IF SO, WHERE WE CAN'T, CAN WE GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT SIDEWALK? OR IS IT A FENCE IN THE FRONT? IN THE I? NO, THERE'S A SPECIFIC, USUALLY IT'S IN THE PERCENTAGE OF THE YES, LIKE UP TO THE FRONT CORNER OR SOMETHING.
HOLD ON, LET ME JUST, I'LL PULL THAT UP BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAS A SET PERCENTAGE THAT YOU CAN APPROVE.
I WOULD SUSPECT MR. ANDERSON THAT WE COULD APPROVE THE FENCE TO DO WHATEVER WE THINK WE WANT IT TO DO.
BUT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ITS EFFECT ON THE OVERALL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WELL, SOMETIMES IT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE A FENCE IN THE, OKAY, HERE WE GO.
THIS THAT TO THE SIDE YARD, BUT NOT FOR THE FRONT, IN THE FRONT CORNER OR SOMETHING.
I JUST DON'T WANNA SAY INCORRECT.
NEW FENCES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE FRONT YARD.
SO THIS IS WHY HE PERHAPS WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE HOLES WERE STILL THERE.
AND THE FENCES AND INTERIOR SIDE YARDS MUST BE LOCATED IN THE REAR 50% OF THE YARD AND BEHIND THE OPEN FRONT PORCH OF AN ADJACENT HOUSE.
AS SHOWN, THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IF MORE SCREENING IS REQUIRED FOR ADDITIONAL SECURITY OR PRIVACY, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MAY ALLOW A FENCE THAT IS LOCATED FIVE FEET BEHIND THE PORCH OF THE HOUSE REQUESTING THE FENCE, EXCEPT, OKAY.
OH, THAT'S A CORNER SIDE CHAIN LINK FENCE ARE LOCKED IN THE FRONT AND SIDE YARDS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL IT SAYS IN THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE.
SO IF I'M GETTING THIS RIGHT, THE LANDMARK GONNA IMPROVE AN INTERIOR SIDE YARD FENCE UP TO FIVE FEET BEHIND THE BUILDING LINE? IN THEORY, YES.
BUT THEY COULD USE THE WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE SAYING THAT THEY COULD HAVE THE FENCE ANYWHERE.
WE WANNA PUT IT ALONG AS IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HOUSE OR THE DISTRICT, BASICALLY.
SO, UM, THE WIGGLE, WIGGLE ROOM DON'T SEE THAT PART IN THIS ORDINANCE, IF I MAY? NO, THERE'S A WIGGLE, THERE'S A WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE THAT GIVES US POWER TO DO ANYTHING WE WANT TO DO IF WE THINK IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BAD THING.
THAT WOULD BE AN ATTORNEY QUESTION.
THIS IS, AGAIN, THIS IS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
SO YOU'D FOLLOW THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STANDARD, WHICH IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
YOU AREN'T UNDER THE CONTRIBUTING STANDARD, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE IN LINE WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SO THE WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE WOULDN'T APPLY IN THE SITUATION.
YOU WOULD JUST BE FOLLOWING WHETHER OR NOT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC BEVERLY DISTRICT.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA YOUR MICROPHONE'S NOT ON.
SO WE, WE WOULD'VE TO MAKE NOTE THAT THE FENCE DOESN'T HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHETHER OR NOT IT'S COMPATIBLE, COMPATIBLE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH A HISTORIC, UH, RELATED DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND ALSO WE HAVE THE, THE INTERESTING ISSUE IS, IS WAS THIS AN EXISTING FENCE BECAUSE THE POSTS WERE STILL THERE, OR THE, OR IS THE, THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO ACTUAL FENCING MATERIAL THERE BETWEEN THE POST MEANS THAT IT WAS NOT AN EXISTING FENCE.
AND ONE COULD ARGUE EITHER WAY.
ONE MIGHT POINT OUT THOUGH, IF SOMEONE FOUND THE FOUNDATION OF A FORMER ADDITION TO THEIR HOME, THAT WOULDN'T MEAN BUILD AN ADDITION WITHOUT TALKING, TRYING TO GET A CA FIRST BECAUSE THEY MIGHT COME UP WITH STUFF.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, I BELIEVE HE SAID THE CROSSBARS WERE STILL THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXISTING FENCE WOULD BE A SKELETON OF AN EXISTING FENCE.
NO, BUT THE CROSSBAR, WHICH POINT IS IT A FENCE? I MEAN, THERE ARE FENCES THAT ARE JUST CROSSBARS, I GUESS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'RE ALLOWED IN THIS DISTRICT.
UM, OR, UM, WHO ELSE IS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I MEAN, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT THE REMNANTS OF A PREEXISTING FENCE THAT WAS PERHAPS NEVER APPROVED IS NOT GRANDFATHERED IN.
UH, IT WAS APPARENTLY THOUGH BILLED PRIOR TO BEING, I'M NOT ARGUING BY THE WAY, ALTHOUGH I JUST FIND AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT PRIOR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT THEREFORE HAD THE FENCE STILL STOOD, IT WOULD'VE BEEN GRANDFATHERED
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IN.THE QUESTION IS, DOES THE FENCE STILL STAND PRIOR TO THIS WORK DONE ON IT? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, MY DRAW ON THIS IS THAT YOU HAD A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT WAS THERE IN 1961.
THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A LEGAL OFFENSE.
YOU CAN'T JUST SUDDENLY PUT WOOD UP AND SAY THIS IS A FENCE.
IT LOST HIS NONCONFORMING RIGHTS A LONG TIME AGO.
POSSIBLY IN A GOOD DAY, THE COMMISSION COULD APPROVE A CHAINING FENCE THERE.
BUT PUTTING A SOLID WOOD FENCER THAT, THAT ISN'T THAT IST APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION.
UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH THAT NOW.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE QUESTIONING NOW OF STAFF OR APPLICANT, OR ARE WE READY FOR THAT MOTION? AND AFTER THE MOTION WE CAN DISCUSS AND, UM, AND SEE IF WE STILL SUPPORT THE MOTION OR WHAT WE FEEL ABOUT IT.
SO ARE YOU READY TO MAKE A MOTION? I'M READY.
UM, IN THE HOPES THAT MR. BOWMAN WOULD PERHAPS COME BACK AND PROPOSE A DIFFERENT LIGHT ON THE FENCE, I DO HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF D ONE CA 2 34 DASH 95 CM 59 0 6 RIGGER AVENUE, A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING IN THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT BEING TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, BOTH ITEMS ONE AND TWO FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE SECTIONS OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE STANDARDS IN THE CITY CODE CITED, AS WELL AS THE SECRETARY, THE APPLICABLE, UM, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS IN OUR DISTRICT.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS THE SECOND ON THAT.
I I OUR ATTORNEY IS, I MISSPOKE.
UM, I MOVE, I'M ADJUSTING HERE.
I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM ONE AND TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM TWO.
CAN WE, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND I'LL SPEAK TO THIS MOTION.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THERE BEING LIGHT ON THAT FENCE.
THERE WAS A SECOND FOR MR. ANDERSON.
YOU DO NOT, YOU STILL SUPPORT IT AFTER ANY CHANGE? YES.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THERE BEING LIGHT ON THAT FENCE, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF LIGHT HERE THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT IN MY OPINION, STRIKES ME AS BEING APPROPRIATE.
SO I THINK THAT COULD STILL BE, WE COULD HEAR ANOTHER PROPOSAL IN THE FUTURE OF A LIGHT THAT IS APPROPRIATE, BUT THE ONES BEFORE US, IN MY OPINION OR NOT, AND I CONCUR WITH TASK FORCE.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, TASK FORCE DID NOT SEE THE SECOND GROUP.
THEY ONLY SAW THE FIRST GROUP OF WHAT THEY SAW.
THE ONES THAT WERE VERY LINEAR, LIKE YES.
I DON'T SEE ANY IN EITHER GROUP.
SO I GUESS IT'S NOT TASK FORCE RECORD.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING ON RECORD THAT THEY DIDN'T SEE BOTH.
THEY ONLY SAW THE FIRST SET, BUT IT, WE WE YOUR MOTION IS NOT THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, YOU DON'T LIKE THAT WE DO NOT CONSIDER APPROPRIATE THE LIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT BEFORE US TODAY.
AS THE, AS THE SECONDARY, COULD I ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? WOULD YOU, YOU CAN ASK AND WE'LL SEE WHAT YOU SAID.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER ALLOWING THE FENCE TO COME TO THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE? NO.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS DECLINED TO THAT AMENDMENT.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
UH, WE'RE PUTTING LIGHTS AND A FENCE THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWING YOUR MIC'S NOT ON FOR THE PEOPLE.
THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE, THE FENCE IN QUESTION THAT'S, THAT'S BEING DISALLOWED.
IS THAT THE LITTLE FRONT, THE FOOT, THE LITTLE, YES.
THE THREE FOOT ONE THAT HAD WOOD ADDED ON TO REMNANTS OF SOME SORT OF PREEXISTING TYPES.
UM, WHAT'S BEING DISALLOWED ON LIGHTING IS NOT THE FACT THAT LIGHTS THEMSELVES ARE INAPPROPRIATE.
IT'S THAT THE LIGHTS PROPOSE FOR US.
THE CHOICE IS GIVEN US TODAY ARE DEEMED INAPPROPRIATE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? COMMISSIONER? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, COULD YOU, UH, HELP ME SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE SORT OF ROUTE OR PROCESS TO MAKE THIS DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE FENCE, BECAUSE THE POSTS WERE STILL THERE AND THE CROSS BRACES ARE STILL THERE AND WHATNOT.
UM, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED UNDER SOMETHING LIKE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, WHETHER IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE IT'S BEFORE.
AND WHAT DOES THE APPEALS PROCESS LOOK LIKE IN REGARDS
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TO THAT? BECAUSE I, I, I JUST CANNOT RECALL ANY EXPERIENCE AT WHICH YOU'VE EVER, UM, WEIGHED IN ON A TOPIC ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT OFFENSE WAS OR WAS NOT OCCURRING SIMPLY BECAUSE THE POSTS WERE THERE.I, I FOUND THE APPLICANT TO MAKE A COMPELLING CASE.
UM, AND SO I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S BASED UPON, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, THAT KIND OF THING.
MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
LET'S ADDRESS COMMISSIONER SPIES.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR ATTORNEY'S SEARCHING FOR AN ANSWER, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS PARTICULAR ONE HAS NOT COME UP BEFORE, THEREFORE WE DO NOT YET KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO EEK OUT WHAT THE BASIS OF OUR JUDGMENT IS.
THE MOTION AS IT STANDS, SEEMS TO IMPLY THAT THE EXISTENCE OF THOSE POSTS DID NOT CAUSE THIS TO BE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE TO EXIST AT THE FENCE BACK.
NO, I CAN SEE TAKING THE OTHER VIEW, WHAT CAUSED THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE FENCE TO NOT BE ROUTINE IS BECAUSE IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE ALLOWABLE, UH, LOCATION BASED ON THE ORDINANCE.
THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE THAT'S ALREADY THERE WAS APPROVED AS A ROUTINE.
IT'S JUST THAT PORTION IN THE FRONT.
WE COULD NOT APPROVE IT AS ROUTINE BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT ALLOWABLE.
IT REQUIRES SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.
AND NOW WE'RE AT, WE'RE CONSIDERING IT AND WE'RE WONDERING WHETHER THE EXISTENCE OF THOSE POSTS MEAN IT'S A GRANDFATHERED FENCE THAT WE SHOULD SAY YES TO, OR WHETHER THE EXISTENCE OF THOSE POSTS IS IMMATERIAL AND WE'RE JUDGING WHETHER WE'D LET A NEW FENCE GO UP THERE AND WE'RE NO ONE, I'M NOT SET EITHER WAY YET.
AND COMMISSIONER SP HAS HAS INDICATED HER, HER, HER CONCERNS ABOUT JUST AUTOMATICALLY SAYING, NO.
UM, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA ALSO HAD A YES.
UH, I HAVE TWO QUICK COMMENTS.
THE FIR OH, FIRST ONE IS ACTUALLY A CLARIFICATION, UH, UH, ON, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S SUGGESTION OR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, SOMETHING BE, UH, APPROVED BASED ON TASK FORCE.
AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UH, THE ATTORNEY HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING TO ME LAST YEAR WHEN I SAID THE SAME THING, UH, BASED ON THE TAX TASK FORCE.
AND, UH, THE ATTORNEY SAID THAT WE COULD NOT, UH, UH, BASE IT ON TASK FORCE.
IT HAD TO BE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SECOND THING THAT I, I PERSONALLY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION, UH, UH, TO THIS, UH, FENCE ISSUE.
I, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THAT THOSE POSTS WERE THERE.
I THINK THAT, THAT WE SHOULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION.
AND YOU ARE CORRECT THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE COULD NOT SAY, I, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
YOU COULD SAY, I MOVE THAT WE DO SUCH AND SUCH AND NOTE THAT THE TASK FORCE MENTIONED THAT THEY APPROVED OF THAT.
BUT YOU ARE, YOU ARE SUGGESTING IT THAT WE CAN'T FOLLOW THEM LIKE WE DO STAFF.
WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR OWN REASONS FOR WHY WE'RE WE'RE SAYING WHAT THEY VOLUNTARY WAS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S NECESSARILY TRUE.
I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO CITE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IF WE AGREE WITH IT BECAUSE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ALWAYS GOES INTO THE UNDERLYING PORTIONS OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE SPECIFIC CITY CODE, DA DA DA, AND TASK FORCE SELDOM DOES THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO, WHEN WE AGREE WITH STAFF, GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT IT'S PER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION 'CAUSE THAT'S FAR MORE DEFENSIBLE FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD THEY GET AN APPEAL TO DEAL.
BUT IF YOU HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH THE TASK FORCE, YOU COULD SAY, I MOVE THAT WE DO XI NOTE THAT THE TASK FORCE ALSO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA, BUT YOU CAN'T SAY BECAUSE THE TASK FORCE SAID SO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GIVE US THEIR UNDERLYING REASONS.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE UNDERLYING REASONS RIGHT.
UM, AND WHEN IT COMES TO GRANDFATHERED ITEMS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING 'CAUSE I'VE LIVED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT NOW FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
IF I WERE TO BUY A HOUSE AND IT HAD A, UM, CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT RAN ALL THE WAY FROM, UM, ALL THE WAY FROM MY SIDE YARD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CURB, THE CITY CAN'T COME AND TELL ME I HAVE TO TAKE THAT CHAIN FENCE OUT BECAUSE IT'S THERE AND IT WAS ALLOWED SUPPOSEDLY AT THE TIME.
BUT IF I WANTED TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT, IF I WANTED TO CLAD IT IN WOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, OR UM, EVEN REBUILD IT AND PAINT IT GREEN, I NO LONGER HAVE THAT RIGHT TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, IT'S CONSIDERED ESSENTIALLY A NEW FENCE.
WHAT WE HAD, IN MY OPINION WAS THE REMNANTS OF SOME KIND OF OLD FENCE.
AND MAYBE IT WASN'T EVEN REALLY A FENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS A WHAT'S LEFT OVER A CHANNEL AND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT.
IT'S GOT POLES AND UM, BARS THAT GO THIS DIRECTION
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KIND OF THICK.IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS SOMETHING.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING JUST TO KEEP KIDS FROM RUNNING INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S YARD WITHOUT THINKING, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR AS THOUGH IT'S FALSE FOLLOWS THE CRITERIA SUCH THAT YOU CAN EMBELLISH IT AS YOU FEEL FREE BECAUSE YOU THINK IT'S ATTRACTIVE.
I MEAN IT'S, I CAN SEE HOW IT'D BE AN EASY MISTAKE TO MAKE, BUT I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSION NECESSARILY CONSEQUENTLY HAS TO APPROVE IT.
UM, AND I THINK IT HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE PROPERTY'S NOT CONTRIBUTING, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE AND THAT'S PART OF OUR MISSION AND PART OF THE LENS WE HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH.
AND I NOW SEE THAT COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS HIS HAND UP AND COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA APPARENTLY WISHES TO SPEAK AGAIN AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER WISHES TO SPEAK.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS JUST WITHIN THE DOCUMENTATION I SEE SOME PICTURES OF A HOUSE WITHOUT THE FENCE, BUT YOU SEE THE POSTS AND THEN I SEE SOME PICTURES THAT SHOW COMPARISON.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE THIS IS.
FOR 58 0 7 RIEGER, HE DID PUT A COMPARISON OF WHERE IT OCCURS IN ANOTHER PLACE ON THE STREET.
I SEE THE ADDRESS IN THERE NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THIS GRANDFATHERED IN SITUATION.
I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE HOW SOME OF THESE FENCES COULD HAVE BEEN.
HOW, HOW THEY COULD HAVE LOOKED AT SOME AT SOME POINT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO IN ALL, AND JUST PRACTICALLY AND THINKING AS A, IN ALL PRACTICALITY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GRANDFATHERED IN AND SOMETHING DETERIORATING OR FALLING APART ON WHAT WE THINK IS IS WORSE FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S NON-CONFORMING, IS THIS AN ADVERSE, WHICH ONE IS LESS ADVERSE
I MEAN, SO I'M KIND OF TORN THEN THAT WAY.
I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO CLARIFY ON THOSE PHOTOS AND JUST DENT MY, UH, MY PIECE HERE.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S BASIS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR AESTHETICS.
HE'S SAYING IT BLOCKS THE HEADLIGHTS FROM PEOPLE PARKING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING.
IMAGINE LIGHTS COMING IN YOUR WINDOWS, TRASH BLOWING PEOPLE WALKING BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT WAS MORE FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF SAFETY'S THE RIGHT WORD OR QUALITY OF LIFE, PERHAPS MORE FOR THAT THAN FOR AESTHETICS.
YES, YOU WANT IT TO LOOK GOOD 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT IT WHEN YOU LOOK OUT YOUR WINDOW.
BUT I THINK ITS PURPOSE WAS MORE THAN THAT.
JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND WHAT LOOKS BETTER AND WHAT DOESN'T LOOK BETTER, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE A CHAIN LINK FENCE, WHICH QUITE POSSIBLY COULD BE ALLOWED, DOES THAT HELP HEADLIGHTS COMING INTO YOUR WINDOW OR, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF SITUATION THAT, THAT IS WHAT I GOT FROM OUR APPLICANT, THAT THERE WERE SOME PRACTIC.
ITS MORE, MORE CONCERNS, MORE IT'S MORE THAN HE WANTED TO LOOK AT A FENCE.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG IS NEXT BECAUSE COMMISSIONER OSA TOOK HER HAND DOWN OR JUST SURE.
UM, SINCE WE'RE IN DISCUSSION MODE, I MEAN I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
UM, AND I'LL KIND OF EXPLAIN WHY.
UM, I THINK WE'VE WELL ESTABLISHED THAT THIS IS A NON-CONFORMING OFFENSE AT ONE POINT.
UM, I THINK DEFINITELY PLACING THIS NEW SCREENING INCREASES ITS NON-CONFORMITY IS PER THE ORDINANCE.
UH, I, I THINK THIS FENCE BEING PLACED AND IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, SHOWS THAT THERE'S PERHAPS BEEN PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.
I THINK CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER, UH, FENCE LIKE THIS THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED THAT'S ADJACENT TO A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE APPROVE THAT OR IF IT WAS DETERMINED WHETHER THE LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVED THAT.
I THINK WE WERE GONNA LOOK THAT UP AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT, UM, I THINK THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION THAT, UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A FENCE THERE ALREADY, I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF EFFORT IN THE PAST.
MAYBE THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THIS PROPERTY OWNER FOR YEARS OF PRIVACY.
AND I THINK IF THERE'S BEEN UM, UH, SOME ISSUES THAT HE'S EXPRESSED, WE NEED TO TAKE THOSE INTO SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.
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I THINK ADDING, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, CLADDING TO MAKE THIS QUITE UNSIGHTLY FENCED LOOK A LITTLE BETTER WHILE ALSO HELPING HIM WITH PRIVACY, UM, IS, IS BENEFICIAL.DOES THIS LOOK BETTER THAN JUST THE BALLARDS
YEAH, COULD NOT AND HE COULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT IN PERPETUITY FOREVER AND EVER.
WE COULD NOT REQUIRE HIM TO REMOVE THOSE UPRIGHTS THAT WERE STILL THERE.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, UM, RES I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THANK YOU
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BERGER GARTENBERG ROSS BERGER.
THERE WOULDN'T EVEN BE THE BEGINNINGS OF EVENTS.
AND THERE'S THE UPRIGHTS AND CROSSBARS OF THE FORM EVENTS AND I, I AGREE.
SO WE STILL HAVE MANY VIEWPOINTS.
IF ANYBODY, UNLESS SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN YET ON THIS ISSUE WOULD LIKE TO, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO AND VOTE ON THIS BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE CLARIFIED IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWS AND POSITION.
MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES, GO AHEAD.
COULD YOU SOMEBODY REPEAT WHAT THE MOTION IS? I'VE FORGOTTEN THE MOTION.
WELL, I CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
THE MOTION IS TO, UM, FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT THE, UH, THE, THE FRONT FENCE, THE LITTLE SHORT FENCE WOULD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND TO ALSO, UH, FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE LIGHT BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO SEE A DIFFERENT LIGHT FIXTURE RATHER THAN JUST DENIED FOREVER.
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE READY TO, YEAH, SAY ONE MORE THING.
I THINK THE FACT THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON THERE WAS SOME SORT OF OLD DELINEATION BETWEEN THOSE PROPERTIES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASON WAS.
WE ALSO ARE ASSUMING THAT THE REASON, IF THERE WAS A REASON STILL EXISTS.
AND IT MAY BE THAT, THAT REASON IF THERE WAS ONE NO LONGER EXISTS, IT MAY BE THAT THE SITUATION IS MUCH IMP PRUDENT AND WHAT IT WAS BEFORE, IF IT WAS A UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA REMAIN FIRM IN MY OPINION.
AND, UM, NOT TO SURPRISE ANYBODY, I WILL SAY THAT I'M NOW LEANING TO NOT SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
UNUSUALLY I'M NOT ALL THAT ON THE SIDE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PRIMARILY WORRIED ABOUT THE PRIVACY AND, AND BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF, OF TROUBLE OF SOME SORT.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT EVERYBODY COULD USE THAT AS AN ARGUMENT FOR EVERYTHING.
I I'M BEGINNING TO SEE THAT THIS FENCE MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A REAL LONG TIME.
AND NOW THAT I'M THINKING BACK, I HAVE SEEN IN SOMEWHAT SMALLER TOWNS, ODD FENCES LIKE THIS, OCCASIONALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE THERE, BUT SOMETIMES THEY ARE.
SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE YET APPROVING THIS PARTICULAR MOTION.
SO EVERYBODY HERE DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST AND WE'LL SEE HOW THE NUMBERS SHAKE OUT BECAUSE I ABSOLUTELY CAN'T SAY THAT I KNOW THAT I'M RIGHT OR ANYBODY ELSE IS WRONG OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY.
AND OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL VOTE BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW HOW THAT VOTE CAME OUT.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN AYE.
DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY NAY.
DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN NAY.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR NAY.
DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OFFIT NAY.
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER OSA NAY.
DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON NAY.
SPELL NAY? DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER RENE? YES.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER NAY.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PREZI AYE.
DISTRICT 14 COMMISSIONER GUEST.
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WHAT WAS IT? OKAY, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE FIVE YESES.SO, OKAY, THIS, THIS MOTION HAS FAILED AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER YET.
AND I'M SORRY, WE ARE IN A, IN A QUAGMIRE.
SO NOW WHO WILL MAKE THE MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG IS GONNA MAKE THIS MOTION IN THE MATTER OF DISCUSSION.
ITEM 1 59 0 6 V AVENUE CA 2 34 DASH 105 CM.
I MOVE THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVES ITEM ONE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND REGARDING ITEM TWO, THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, UH, DENY THE ITEM PER STAFF NO, NOT PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE PER YES.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT, IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
THE LIGHT, THE LIGHTS, THE SECOND IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? COMMISSIONER REEVES? COMMISSIONER REEVES? THE SECOND.
WELL, I USUALLY SAY IT SO YOU'LL GET IT AND YOU CALL ME THIS TIME.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR DO WE VOTE ON THIS ONE THAN WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, PLEASE CLARIFY THAT MOTION FOR NUMBER ONE.
DID HE SAY THAT HE ACCEPT, DID HE SAY THAT HE ACCEPTS IT BECAUSE A MOTION IS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE? NO, NO.
THE I, YOU, I SAID THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WILL APPROVE IT BASED ON IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT.
I DIDN'T SAY BY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, OKAY, SO APPROVAL MEANS THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THE
IT IT IS JUST A LITTLE CONFUSING BASED ON WHAT WAS WRITTEN BY THE STAFF.
BUT I, NO, IT'S, IT'S APPROVING IT WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND, AND THE SECOND, UH, SORRY ABOUT THIS, BUT CLARIFY THE SECOND, UH, ABOUT THE LIGHTS ON THE FENCE AND THE SECOND THAT WE DENY IT, THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
SO WE'LL ASK THE, AND DENY IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE SO THAT THE APPLICANT COULD COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE MORE FIRM.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THEN.
SO BASICALLY WITH THIS MOTION, THE FENCE WOULD STAY EXACTLY WHERE IT IS PRECISELY AT THIS POINT.
I, I WOULD LIKE HIM TO MAKE A FRIENDLY MOTION THAT THE, A PORTION OF THE FENCE STAY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND THAT THE OTHER PORTION FROM THE CORNER TO THE STREET BE REMOVED.
I WILL NOT, I WOULD NOT ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE MOTION WAS DUE TO THE PRIVACY AND UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
I THINK DOING IT TO THE CORNER OF THE HOME IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO MEET THOSE REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE STATEMENT.
THE FENCE MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, BUT IT WILL NEVER BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT BECAUSE RUNNING A FOUR FOOT FENCE DOWN TO THE CURB DOES NOT MAKE COMPATIBILITY IN MY OPINION.
SO I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A CASE FOR THIS, BUT COMPATIBLE THE DISTRICT IS NOT IT.
I BELIEVE THE FENCE IS ONLY THREE FEET TALL AND IT IS NOT FOR THE CURB.
I MEAN THAT'S NOT THE POINT THAT MATTERS.
I JUST WANTED MAKE QUITE WAYS WITHIN 10 FEET THE CURB, RIGHT? I SECOND THE MOTION
ALL RIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE, UM, BIT OF OBSERVATION.
THERE IS A YARD LIGHT, UH, TODAY IN FRONT OF THE PORCH AND I WAS JUST AS A SUGGESTION TO UM, UH, FOR THE SECOND, UM, REQUEST THAT AN ADDITIONAL YARD MIGHT BE ADDED.
ANYWAY, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
OKAY, SO THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES THEN.
PUTTING IT ON A FENCE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I WILL NOT, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO OR EVEN HAVE THIS OPINION.
WE HAVE ONCE VOTED DOWN A MOTION AND THEN SOMEONE MADE KIND OF THE OPPOSITE MOTION AND WE VOTED THAT DOWN
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION THAT PASSES.
EVENTUALLY I WOULD BE MOST CONFIDENT SAYING THEY COULD PUT THE CHAIN LINK BACK BECAUSE THAT'S
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WHAT ACTUALLY WAS THERE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MOTION.AND I CAN SEE LOTS OF REASONS WHY NOBODY BUT ME WOULD LIKE THAT.
SO I'M STILL THINKING NOW I WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NAY.
EITHER YOU WERE ENTHUSIASTIC OR YOU HAD THE NUMBERS.
WE WILL DO THE ROLL CALL THING AGAIN.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN NAY.
DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY AYE.
DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN? UH, YES.
DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? YES.
DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER SPELL? YES.
DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER GATE? YES.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? YES.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PREZI NAY.
DISTRICT 14 COMMISSIONER GUEST.
SO THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE TRADITION OF COMPROMISE.
NO ONE'S ENTIRELY HAPPY EXCEPT THE APPLICANT
SO PLEASE, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR APPLICANT IS STILL HERE.
PLEASE COMMUNICATE TO HIM THE OPTION OF APPEALING TO CPC ABOUT THE LIGHT ISSUE, BUT WAY, WAY EASIER TO JUST COME BACK AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT WITH ANOTHER, ANOTHER LIGHT FIXTURE.
UM, I, UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE HARD WORK DONE BY OUR LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS TO TRY TO RESOLVE THIS VERY TRICKY ISSUE.
I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT WE'VE MADE OUR DECISION AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH.
ALRIGHT, NEXT IS DISCUSSION ITEM SEVEN FOR WHICH WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY, WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS ON OUR LIST.
IS THAT STILL TRUE? YEAH, THAT'S, NO ONE'S POPPED UP.
IT SEEMS A WHOLE LOT LATER THAN FOUR O'CLOCK ANYWAY,
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1102 CHURCH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 DASH 200 RFD.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESIZE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS.
UH, THE SECOND REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS TOTAL 13, WHICH WAS UNAUTHORIZED WORK WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
THE THIRD REQUEST IS A, IT'S A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR HORIZONTAL LAB WOOD SIDING WITH IN KIND OF MATERIALS.
AND THEN THE FOURTH REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR BODY TRIM AND ACCENTS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESIZE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 2.1 C PERTAINING TO FACADES AND SECTION 2.2 A UNDER FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS TOTAL 13 UNAUTHORIZED
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WORK WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION SECTION 2.2, SUBDIVISION A PERTAINING TO FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM THREE ARE REQUEST THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR HORIZONTAL LAB WOOD SIDING WITH IN KIND MATERIALS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 1 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT EXISTING MILLWORK PATTERN NUMBER 1 1 7 SIDING BE EXPOSED AND RESTORED AND THAT ANY NEW REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ALL WOOD MILLWORK PATTERN 1 1 7 TO MATCH THEIR ORIGINAL SIDING.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 2.1 SUBDIVISION F AND SECTION 2.1 H SUBDIVISION NO SECTION 2.1 SUBDIVISION H PERTAINING TO FACADES THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR BODY TRIM AND ACCENTS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 1 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT SELECTED COLORS ARE WITHIN THE ACCEPTABLE COLOR RANGE ACCORDING TO THE MONSO COLOR SYSTEM FOR THE DISTRICT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION 2.1, SUBDIVISION G PERTAINING TO FACADES STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESIZE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITH PREJUDICE WINDOWS SHOULD BE RESTORED TO THEIR ORIGINAL DIMENSIONS.
BUILDING IS CONTRIBUTING AND SHOULD BE RESTORED TO THE HISTORIC TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS TOTAL OF 13 UNAUTHORIZED WORK WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS BE DENIED WITH PREJUDICE.
VINYL WINDOWS ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WINDOWS SHOULD BE ALL WOOD FRAMED.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXTERIOR HORIZONTAL LAP WOOD SIDING WITH IN KIND MATERIALS BE DENIED WITH BRIDGES.
REMOVE THE HARDY BOARD AND EXPOSE ORIGINAL NOVELTY PATTERN NUMBER ONE 17 ALL WOOD SIDING.
FOUR THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR BODY TRIM AND ACCENTS BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE PAINT COLORS BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORIC PAINT BALLOT.
AND I NEED TO MENTION FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR LEFT THE ROOM AT THE BEGINNING OF HEARING THIS CASE CASE BECAUSE HE IS RECUSED ON IT DUE TO CONFLICT OF SOME SORT,
QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF.
WHY WAS THE TASK FORCE SO ADAMANT THAT EVERYTHING WAS DENIED WITH PREJUDICE? THEY FELT AS IF HE WAS, UH, WELL, I WOULD SAY DISRESPECTFUL OF THE PROPERTY COULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.
I DON'T THINK THEY INTENDED THAT HE NOT BE ALLOWED TO COME BACK FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR, BUT THEY BASICALLY WANTED TO STRESS THEIR, UH, DISPLEASURE WITH THE WORK, THE UNAUTHORIZED WORK THAT WAS DONE.
I HAVE A COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU.
THE CITY ATTORNEY OR CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHAT ARE THE CITATION, WHAT KIND OF CITATION FEE STRUCTURE IS BEING
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APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY THIS TIME? SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY CITED BY THE OTHER CODE INSPECTOR.SO I THINK THIS IS ONE, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK WHERE THEY HAD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CITATIONS GOING ON.
BUT THEY ARE CITED ALSO FOR THE NO CA AND NO PERMIT FOR THE ROOF IS WHAT THEY SPECIFIED, BUT THEY PUT ON THE ACTUAL NOTICE IT WAS FOR ALL CONSTRUCTION, UH, NO CA AND NO PERMIT FOR ALL CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD WHAT THE NOW CODE SAYS ABOUT THIS CERTIFICATE OF NESS PENALTY.
A PERSON WHO VIOLATES THE SUBSECTION IS GUILTY OF A SEPARATE OFFENSE FOR EACH DAY OR PORTION OF THE DAY DURING WHICH THE VIOLATIONS CONTINUED FROM THE FIRST DAY.
THE UNLAWFUL ACT WAS COMMITTED EITHER UNTIL A CERTIFICATE OF TIES IS OBTAINED OR THE PROPERTY RESTORED TO THE CONDITION IN WHICH IT WAS IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE VIOLATION.
DO WE USE THIS, THIS VIOLATION, MY UNDERSTANDING CAN BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY EVERY DAY UNTIL WE GET TIRED OF, OF CITING THEM.
DO WE USE THIS CITATION? THIS THIS THING FOR, FOR PENALTIES.
SO YOU CAN, I CAN ISSUE A CITATION EVERY DAY, UH, IF YOU KNOW NECESSARY.
UH, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I, I'VE DONE IN CERTAIN CASES WHERE I FEEL THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME FORWARD AND UNTIL THEY COME FORWARD, I WOULD ISSUE A CITATION EVERY DAY.
UH, IT WAS USUALLY BASED ON, UH, BEING, YOU KNOW, ASKED TO BY MANAGEMENT.
AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE, UH, I TRY TO AT LEAST GIVE TIME FOR THEM TO COME FORWARD MAYBE LIKE A WEEK OR SO BEFORE I'LL ISSUE ANOTHER CITATION IN MOST CASES.
UH, BUT, UH, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO.
THE CITATIONS HAVE A PRICE ON THEM.
UH, I THINK IT'S $450 IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UH, FOR THE ONE THAT WAS ISSUED, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND RE-LOOK AT IT.
UH, BUT FOR THAT PARTICULAR CITATION, AND I WANNA SAY IT'S 600 FOR THE ONES, IF I ISSUE IT AS A CRIMINAL CITATION FOR NO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, IT CAN BE UP TO, THEY'RE WRITTEN ON THE CITATION THAT THEY CAN BE UP TO $2,000.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE AMOUNT THAT IT COULD BE PER DAY.
BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COURTS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GO, LIKE WHEN I ISSUE MY CITATION, UH, IF THEY ACTUALLY TAKE IT TO COURT BY THE TIME I GET TO COURT, THEY COULD HAVE OFFERED THEM, UH, DEALS ON IT TO REDUCE THE FINES.
OR SOMETIMES IN SOME CASES, UH, THEY MAY SAY, OKAY, IF YOU PAY THIS ONE WE'LL THROW ONE OUT.
SO I CAN'T REQUEST THAT IT BE THE $2,000 FINE.
UH, IF WE WERE TO TRIAGE IT, UH, AFTER WRITING SO MANY TICKETS, TRIAGE IT TO, UH, CRI THE, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY, MY VOICE HAS BEEN GONE, UH, TO OUR, UH, OUR COMMUNITY PROSECUTION TEAM.
UH, THEN SOMETIMES THEY'RE ABLE TO SPECIFY WHAT THOSE FINES ARE AND DO HEFTIER FINES THAN WHAT I CAN ISSUE ON A CITATION.
MY CONCERN IS THIS GENTLEMAN, I USE THAT TERM LOOSELY, IS DESTROYED TWO HOUSES, ONE IN 10TH STREET AND ONE IN WHEATLEY PLACE.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HIM THE MESSAGE THAT HE SHOULD NEVER GO TO ANOTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT IN AND DESTROY IT.
AND IF WE NEED TO GIVE HIM THE RIGHT FINE TO GIVE HIM THE RIGHT MESSAGE, I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THAT AT THIS TIME.
WELL, THIS IS ONE THAT I WILL BE BECAUSE THEY DO STILL HAVE OTHER, UH, CI OTHER VIOLATIONS THAT THEY'VE BEEN ISSUED CITATIONS ON.
AND THAT WAS STILL NOT RESOLVED IN THIS CA PROCESS BECAUSE THEY'VE, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE ROOF WAS ONE OF THEM.
UH, THEY ALSO, UH, HAD THE CITY WENT OUT AND ABATED SOME OF THE VIOLATIONS.
SO THEY LIKELY, IF THEY HAVEN'T PAID UP ALL OF THOSE FINES, THEY HAVE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY.
UH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO ENFORCE, UH, BY WAY OF CITATIONS OR WHATEVER FINES, INCLUDING THE FEES THAT THEY HAVE, UH, TO GET THE CA IN ORDER TO PROCESS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS WELL.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, I I'M MISUNDERSTANDING CLARIFICATION.
WE CAN'T IMPOSE FINES AT ALL, CAN WE? NO.
THAT IS NOT THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION.
I, I DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD AND I THINK WE'D GO MAD DOING IT SOMETIMES
BUT NO, WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT DO ANY FINDING OF ANYBODY.
WE CAN ONLY RESPOND TO CASES BROUGHT BEFORE US AND, AND WHAT LET 'EM KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE.
IT IS UP TO HER WORLD, ADRIAN'S AND HER FRIENDS TO, TO DECIDE.
FIVE CHAIR COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES.
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MORE DISCUSSION, UM, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE OR WOULD LIKE FOR COMMISSIONER ANDERSON TO MAKE A MOTION.DOES THAT, IF COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WANTS TO, DO YOU WANT
IN THE CASE OF CA 2 34 DASH 20 RD 1102 CHURCH STREET, I RECOMMEND FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OF ALL THE WORK DONE.
SECOND, UH, I MUST POINT OUT THAT THE TWO OF THOSE WEREN'T DENIAL.
THEY WERE, UM, NUMBER THREE AND FOUR, THEY WERE WILLING TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
THAT WAS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT MILLWORK TO USE.
THEY WANTED ONE 17 AND TO HAVE AN ACCEPTABLE COLOR.
I, I WILL REMEMBER WE'LL CHANGE THAT TO FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS WRITTEN.
WHO WAS THAT? COMMISSIONER REESE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? HAVE WE DISCUSSED THIS ONE? YES.
OH, COMMISSIONER PREZI HAS DISCUSSION.
SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ON NUMBER THREE THAT THEY WOULD RETAIN THE EXISTING SITING THAT IS THERE THE EXISTING HISTORIC SITING AND THEY WOULD ONLY PATCH CITING THAT THEY NEED TO AND NOT REPLACE THAT EXISTING SIGHTING.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
A ANY OPPOSED? THERE APPEARS TO BE NONE, THEREFORE THE MOTION HAS PASSED.
STAFF WILL OF COURSE COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT THE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL IN LIGHT OF OUR, UM, DENIALS AND, AND SEND THE INVITATION TO COME TALK TO US INSTEAD AND TO OF COURSE WORK WITH WHO MAY BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WORKING WITH CODE COMPLIANCE RIGHT NOW TO, TO END THOSE FINES THAT ARE GOING ON, LET US NOW GO TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
ALSO THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE.
AND THIS IS THE SAME APPLICANT.
DISCUSSION ITEM D EIGHT IS BEING PRESENTED BY DR.
RHONDA DUNN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 28 15 TWYMAN AVENUE IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 2 0 1 RD.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESIZE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS, WHICH WAS UNAUTHORIZED WORK.
UH, REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS TOTAL NINE WHICH WAS UNAUTHORIZED WORK WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR DOORS TOTAL.
REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR HORIZONTAL SIDING.
REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR THE BODY.
THE COLOR CHOSEN IS SHERWIN WILLIAMS DUTCH TILE BLUE, WHICH IS SW 0 0 3 1.
AND THE TRIM, THE COLOR CHOSEN IS SHERWIN WILLIAMS, CLASSICAL WHITE SW 2 8 2 9.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESIZE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED.
WHAT HAPPENED? YEAH, HE'S HERE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESIZE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS TOTAL NINE UNAUTHORIZED WORK WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 1 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT WINDOW OPENINGS BE RESIZED TO THEIR ORIGINAL DIMENSIONS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
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UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR DOORS TOTAL THREE UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 1 20 20.IT SHOULD BE 2024 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT REPLACEMENT FRONT AND SIDE DOORS BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE TOP LIGHTS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM FOUR THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 1 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT REPLACEMENT SIDING BE ALL WOOD, EITHER MILLWORK PATTERN 1 1 7 OR MILLWORK PATTERN 1 0 5.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER FIVE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR BODY COLOR.
SHERWIN WILLIAMS DUTCH TILE BLUES W 0 0 3 1 AND TRIM COLOR SHERWIN WILLIAMS CLASSICAL WHITE SW 28 2 9 BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 2 1 20 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RESIZE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WINDOWS SHOULD BE RESTORED TO THE ORIGINAL DIMENSIONS.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING FINAL WINDOWS TOTAL OF NINE.
ALSO UNAUTHORIZED WORK WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE WINDOW OPENINGS BE RESTORED TO THEIR ORIGINAL DIMENSIONS.
FIRST NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR DOORS TOTAL OF THREE.
ALSO UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT THE REPLACEMENT DOORS BE CRAFTED IN STYLE AND THAT FRONT DOOR BE WOOD NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXTERIOR HORIZONTAL SIDING BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE REPLACEMENT SIDING BE HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING NOVELTY PATTERN NUMBER ONE 17 AS DEPICTED IN PREVIOUS PHOTOS OF THE HOUSE.
NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR BODY COLOR.
SHERWIN WILLIAMS DUTCH TILE BLUE SW 0 0 3 1 AND TRIM COLOR SHERMAN WILLIAMS CLASSIC WHITE SW 2 8 2 9 BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE EXTERIOR PAINT COLORS BE SELECTED FROM A HISTORIC PAINT PALETTE IN PARTICULAR IN ARTS AND CRAFTS ELECTION.
AND UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WANTED IT NOTED FOR THE RECORD THAT SHE HAD TO LEAVE AT FOUR 15 FOR REASONS SOMETHING TO DO AND SO WE WILL MARCH ON WITHOUT HER.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST, THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TO SPEAK AND IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS THEN IT'S TIME FOR A MOTION AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRACTICED HE IS NOT DOING IT.
UH, SO THE QUESTION IS FOR STAFF.
SO, UM, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HAD DIFFICULTY WITH BECAUSE THE UH, BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1925.
BUT IT DOES STATE ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCE THAT THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND ALUMINUM WINDOWS HAVE, ARE AVAILABLE OR ARE PRESENT ON ORIGINAL HOMES WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE ALUMINUM WINDOWS HAVE BEEN OUT SINCE THE 1930S.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAID OKAY ON ALUMINUM, EVEN THOUGH I WOULD PREFER WOOD, BUT I HAVE TO GO BY
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WHAT THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY IS.WOULD WE WANT TO SPECIFY A TYPE OF ALUMINUM WINDOW? LIKE A SORT OF THE CONFIGURATION IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
'CAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, WELL THE 1 0 1 IS WHAT HE'S RECOMMENDING AND UM, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WE HAVE ALLOWED, BUT THIS IS NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION BUT ONE OH FOR ONE ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN WHEATLEY PLACE.
HISTORIC DISTRICT AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THE NEWER ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
KIND OF LIKE FOR THE GRID THEY HAVE THE LITTLE POPSICLES.
SO NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT.
ALRIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS ON THIS HOUSE THAT I THINK IT HAD BEEN REMOVED, INCLUDING, I BELIEVE IT WAS OVER THE FRONT PORCH.
UH, CAN WE INSTRUCT CODE ENFORCEMENT TO TAKE THIS PHOTOGRAPH INTO CONSIDERATION TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING IS RESTORED APPROPRIATELY? OR CAN WE ASK IT TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF ALTERATIONS TO THIS BUILDING AND I DON'T TRUST THIS PERSON TO FIX IT.
WELL, UNLESS WE WERE TO APPROVE ALL OF THEIR REQUESTS TODAY, THEN WE ARE IMPLICITLY TELLING THEM THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO ASK FOR APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING.
WELL, FOR INSTANCE, THE THE CHIMNEY THAT'S GONE IN THE PORCH THAT'S BEEN ON THE PORCH, UH, GAVE US BEEN ALTERED.
HOW ARE THOSE ARE GONNA COME BACK TO US? UH, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD ASK STAFF WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES BACK TO US FOR SOMETHING TO POINT OUT SO THAT THEY DIDN'T MENTION EVERYTHING THAT CHANGED.
IN THIS, EVEN THOUGH THIS BILLING HAS BEEN TAGGED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING AND THAT WAS DONE, I'M SURE BECAUSE OF SOME SIDING IN THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST LOOKING PIECES OF ARCHITECTURE IN WHEATLEY PLACE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS PERSON HAS TAKEN ALL THAT AWAY AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST AND REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK WITH ALL THE DETAILS OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA FIX IT.
'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA FIX IT.
WELL WE, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE CAS GOING FORWARD.
I THINK THEY PROBABLY GOT THAT.
NOW ADRIAN, I BELIEVE HAS A COMMENT ON SOME OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
I DO HAVE AN OPEN CASE ON THIS, SO I WILL TAKE NOTE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PART OF THAT CASE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COME FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL.
UH, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY ARE STILL IN VIOLATION UNTIL ALL OF THE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED.
SO THEY ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH JUST THIS, UH, GO THROUGH OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UH, THEY ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE THEM WANT TO COME BACK BY.
SO WERE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COME BACK WITH THE DETAILS OF THE PORCH AND THE CHIMNEY THAT THEY REMOVED, UH, FOR WHATEVER CHANGES THAT WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
SO I WILL NOTE THE PORT TO THE CHIMNEY, UH, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THEY WILL BE IN CONTINUAL COMMUNICATION AND THEY'LL HEAR WHAT WE SAID TODAY AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL LISTEN AND REALIZE THEY HAVE SOMETHING.
IF I MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE CARE OF, CAN I PUT THAT INTO A MOTION IF THEY COME BACK? YOU CAN'T REQUIRE ANYBODY TO COME BACK.
UM, YOU CAN
I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE CHOICE? DO THEY HAVE COMMISSIONER RENO? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, CASE NUMBER, UM, REGARDING 28 15 TWYMAN AVENUE, UH, WHEAT BASED WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, CA 2 34 DASH 2 0 1 RD.
THAT WE FOLLOW, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, DENIAL WITHOUT WELL, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEMS 1, 3, 4, AND FIVE.
AND ON ITEM TWO THAT THE, UH, REPLACEMENT FOR WINDOWS BE WOOD AND THAT, UM, INCLUDING ALL, UM, UH, VISIBLE, UH, MUS, UH, OUT ON THE, THAT THEY PROJECT FROM THE, THE SURFACE OF THE GLASS.
WELL ACTUALLY WE ALREADY HAD A SECOND HERE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON AND I'LL NEVER KNOW.
COMMISSIONER REEVES ALREADY SECONDED, BUT YOU WANTED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT, YOU SAID? YES.
AND UH, NUMBER THREE IT'S DATED 2023 I BELIEVE.
YEAH, WHEN I READ IT IT WAS LIKE, OH NO, NO THIS IS 2024.
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ALL DO THAT.NOT USUALLY BY MARCH, BUT OKAY.
I'LL AGREE WITH THAT AMENDMENT.
YOU AGREE IT'S 20, 24 THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR CAN WE GO TO VOTE? CAN I JUST, JUST QUICK DISCUSSION FOR ITEM TWO.
COULD WE JUST DENY WITHOUT PURCHASE AND HAVE WE COME BACK? I THINK WITH THE EGREGIOUS AMOUNT OF ISSUES HERE, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T WANNA SEE THAT AGAIN, I NORMALLY NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT WINDOWS MYSELF, I DON'T SPEAK ABOUT THEM THAT MUCH, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD JUST BE EXTRA CAUTIOUS CONSIDERING THE CASE.
IF, UH, I GUESS THE DIFFERENCE WAS THAT, LET'S SEE, I I UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION OF WOOD, BUT I WE, WITHOUT PREJUDICES, I JUST, I I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'D WANNA SEE THAT AND I CAN'T REALLY DO NUMBER TWO.
I MEAN,
SO IT, SO I IT'S UP TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND THEN FOR THE SECONDER TO AGREE, UM, I AGREE WITH THAT, UH, SUGGESTION.
SO YOU WISH TO REVISE THE MOTION THAT ON TWO WE WILL DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE YES.
BECAUSE IT IS IN NOT COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND COMMISSIONER REEVES NODDED.
SO SHE THE SECOND APPROVES OF THIS.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
OBVIOUSLY STAFF WILL COMMUNICATE THE USUAL THINGS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR APPEAL.
UH, IT WOULD BE KIND IF YOU ALSO MENTIONED WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR, THE CHIMNEY AND THE EVENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT THERE'S MORE THINGS YEAH.
TO CONCERN AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, UM, WE WILL HAVE A MORE SUCCESSFUL DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION IF THEY'RE ABLE TO JOIN US WHENEVER THIS COMES BACK.
MM-HMM,
MAYBE THAT WILL HELP THEM DEAL WITH THEIR TROUBLES THEY'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IF THEY HEARD THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET SOME BENEFIT.
WELL THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT SOME THINGS WE THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
WE DO HAVE ONE MORE 'CAUSE WE SKIPPED, UM, YES, CR FOUR BECAUSE THERE WAS NOBODY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF AN APPLICANT, WE WILL TRY TO MAKE SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS THAT STAFF CAN TRANSMIT TO THE APPLICANT OR THEY CAN LISTEN TO THE RECORDING OF THIS FUN MEETING.
COURTESY ITEM CR FOUR BEING PRESENTED BY DR.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 18 DUNBAR STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE REQUEST IS A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW.
THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, ROOF IS TOO STEEP FOR A CRAFTSMAN.
NUMBER TWO, PORCH COLUMNS AND SPINDLES ARE TOO NARROW.
NUMBER THREE, FOUNDATION SHOULD NOT BE CONCRETE SLAB ON GRADE.
UM, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR MAKE COMMENTS TO BE PASSED ALONG.
UM, HOW BIG ARE THOSE PORCH SUPPORTS AROUND? I DON'T SEE, I MEAN THEY LOOK SLIM, BUT I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE TOO SKINNY.
WE'VE SOMETIMES SAID THAT, BUT LARGER COULD BE BETTER.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IF I CAN MAKE A COMMENT AND I HOPE WE'LL GO FORTH.
THE, THE PROPOSED BUILDING HAS NO RELEVANCE AT ALL TO THE DISTRICT.
THE STRUCTURE IS ON THE BLOCK AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM IN WHEATLEY PLACE ARE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
SO THIS WOULD REQUIRE TO HAVE GABLE FRONT AND A GABLE PORCH AS THEY ARE ON THE REST OF THE BLOCK.
SO BASICALLY THIS, THIS IS AN INAPPROPRIATE BUILDING FOR THAT DISTRICT.
SO THEY SHOULD START OVER OR AT LEAST PUT GABLE ON THE FRONT.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S IN LINE WITH SOMETHING
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WE DISCUSSED EARLIER ABOUT GABLE BEING BETTER THAN, CAN WE PULL UP THE, THE FOUR FOUR BUILDINGS IN A ROW AGAIN, PLEASE.I THINK YOU CAN SEE ME WITH ONE IN THE PROPOSED ONE.
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER THREE IN THE ROOF FORM OR THE STYLE ANYTHING.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE DOCK IN THE BOX HOUSES THAT YOU JUST SEARS HOUSES TODAY.
UH, CERTAINLY THEY PROBABLY HAVE ONE WITH THE, CERTAINLY THEY PROBABLY, WHAT HAVE, HAVE ONE WITH THE EVE IN THE FRONT.
THEY COULD PROBABLY PROBABLY CHANGE IT TO A FRONT GABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE PLAN PROVIDER WOULD DO THAT FOR THEM AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY CHARGE A FEE OR IF THEY COULD JUST, THE DEVELOPER COULD FIGURE THAT OUT THEMSELVES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO FRAME IT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY JUST PICKED IT OUT OF A MAGAZINE KIND OF THING.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A MAGAZINE.
IT'S PROBABLY AN ONLINE PURVEYOR AND THERE ARE CUSTOMIZABLE ASPECTS TO THAT.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME THROUGH WITH THAT BEFORE AND THEY HAVE, SOMEONE SAID I COULD GO BACK AND ASK THEM TO DO, TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF CHANGES OFTEN INCURRED AN ECONOMIC ISSUE BECAUSE THERE WERE CHARGES FOR CHANGING IT.
SO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
BUT IT'S ALSO, IF WE REALLY THINK A DIFFERENT ROOF IS BETTER, WE TELL 'EM WE REALLY THINK A DIFFERENT ROOF IS BETTER.
I HAVE TWO FLOOR PLANTS, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE, IT LOOKED TO ME AS IF IT WAS TWO STORIES, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY ONE STORY.
AND THEN WITH ATTIC SPACE, SO IT HAS A LARGE ATTIC WITH, UH, EQUIPMENT ROOM OR SOMETHING UP THERE, OR UTILITY OR, WELL, I HAVE TWO FLOOR PLANS WITH FANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH, WHICH ONE IS CORRECT.
'CAUSE YEAH, I NEED, BASICALLY I NEED TO GET HIM TO SETTLE ON ONE BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE PROBLEM FROM THE BEGINNING.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CUSTOMIZABLE.
I THINK HE'S TRYING TO GO FOR WHATEVER THE CLIENT WANTS WHEN HE ACTUALLY GETS A CLIENT TO PURCHASE IT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, HE NEEDS TO DECIDE ON WHICH ONE HE DOES NEED TO PICK ONE FOR RIGHT.
FOR A CA APPROVAL AND HOPE THAT THAT'S WHAT HOPE HE FINDS A CLIENT THAT LIKES THAT ONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? GAS? YEAH.
UM, FOLLOWING ALONG WITH THE, UH, I'M SORRY.
THIS IS COMMISSIONER GAS FOLLOWING ALONG WITH, WITH, UM, THE, THE MULTIPLE FOUR PLANS.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO SHEET, A ONE POINT ZEROS.
BOTH OF 'EM HAVE FIRST FLOOR PLAN LISTED.
ONE OF THEM LITERALLY HAS SEVEN BEDROOMS, NO LIVING ROOM, NO DINING ROOM, AND A KITCHEN.
UM, THAT ONE ACTUALLY DOES HAVE A PROTRUDING FRONT BEDROOM THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A GABLE STRUCTURE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO ELEVATION THAT SAYS SO.
AND THE NEXT ONE, ON THE NEXT SHEET, WHICH IS ALSO, UM, ACTUALLY THE ONE BEFORE THAT, WHICH IS ALSO A 0.10 OR A 1.0, EXCUSE ME, HAS, UM, WHAT LOOKS LIKE THREE SMALL BEDROOMS. ONE LARGE MASTER BEDROOM, ONE DINING ROOM, LIVING ROOM, AND, AND THEN THE KITCHEN.
AND THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE, THE FRONT PORCH THAT GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO I, UH, THE CONFUSION OBVIOUSLY IS, IS LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHICH ONE THEY ACTUALLY WANT, BUT MM-HMM.
YEAH, BECAUSE ONE OF THEM HAS FOUR BEDROOMS, THE OTHER ONE HAS SEVEN.
SO, UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, IT, THE, THE ONE WITH SEVEN BEDROOMS DOES LEND ITSELF MORE TOWARDS THE, THE, THE ELEVATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO WE, WE WOULD WANT, IT WOULD BE WISE WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR CA TO HAVE ALL OF THEIR DRAWINGS MATCHING FOR ONE, THE SAME BUILDING THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WOULD HELP 'EM GET THROUGH.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? I DON'T SEE HIM AT ALL.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, I DON'T SEE YOUR FACE.
MY SIGNAL'S BAD, BUT I THINK, UH, I JUST AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENTS.
I, I STRONGLY PREFER THE GABLE.
UM, I'M TRYING TO IGNORE THE, THE, THE GROUP HOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT INTERIOR THAT THEY'VE SHOWN US IN THESE PLANS.
UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE GABLE REQUEST AND THE FRONT PORCH P UM, PARTITIONS ARE TOO SMALL.
COMMISSIONER PERI, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WHAT ARE THE SIDING, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN, UH, WHEAT? WELL, THE PREFERENCE IS WOOD.
ALL WOOD HORIZONTAL LOT LAP SIDING.
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1 0 5 OR 1 1 7.WELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY FOLLOW THAT THEN INSTEAD OF THE PARTY BOARD.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE WE'RE SENDING OUR ADVICE.
I SEE PEOPLE THINKING STUDYING.
COMMISSIONER RENO AGREES WITH EVERYTHING.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.
SO STAFF CAN RELAY ALL OF THAT TO THE APPLICANT AND TELL THEM THAT IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER CA OR ANOTHER COURTESY REVIEW OR FOR THEIR ACTUAL CA WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING THEM, WHICH WILL HELP US RESOLVE TOGETHER ALL QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, KATE SINGLETON HAS RETURNED FROM THE OTHER MEETING.
MY COMPUTER SOMETIMES DOES NOT LIKE TO SHARE VERY WELL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO, TO TODAY.
SO, UM, WHAT, UH, BASICALLY I WAS JUST, YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME.
I WAS JUST IN THE, UH, BRIEFING FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE OF THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL ON, UH, ON THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL PRESERVATION STRATEGY.
I DO WANNA MAKE SOMETHING REALLY CLEAR.
UM, THIS IS THE FOURTH DRAFT THAT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN PUT OUT.
UM, I WILL THANK, UH, PEOPLE LIKE OUR CHAIR AND, UH, COMMISSIONER POSI AND MARCEL QUIMBEE AND VICTORIA KLAU AND SOME OF THE OTHER PRESERVATIONISTS WHO WERE ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE BECAUSE I REALLY, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY BROUGHT TO THE TABLE IN REVIEWING THIS DOCUMENT AND MAKING IT BETTER.
BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING, I WANNA BE VERY HONEST, IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS KIND OF LIKE WE WERE, UM, VERY SAD SACK.
IT WAS, UH, THE INITIAL, THE FIRST ONE, EVERYBODY SAID, LOOK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING US LOOK BAD.
AND SO WE REALLY THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE TONE OF IT.
AND THE CONSULTANT DID GO IN AND CHANGE IT SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, UH, WHAT'S THE OLD SAW IS YOU DON'T WANNA THROW, UH, GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.
SO BY MAKING IT LOOK LIKE NOW, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST IS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO A GOOD PRESERVATION PROGRAM WITH LIMITED RESOURCES OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND SO THIS LAST DRAFT IS MUCH, MUCH BETTER.
AND SO I DO WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A LOT OF HARD WORK FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED, AND I THINK THE TONE IS MUCH BETTER.
THE, UM, THERE, UM, PAUL RIDLEY, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY JUST ASKED IF WE WERE GOING TO GET MORE STAFF.
AND SO IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT, UH, THAT IT, IT'S INCLUDED IN THIS, UH, DRAFT.
I THINK THE OTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, SOME OF THIS DOES WORK WITH US.
THERE ARE PARTS OF IT BECAUSE WE, UNDER PLANNING, UH, AND URBAN DESIGN NOW THAT WE WILL PROBABLY INTERACT WITH SUCH AS THE LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE LEGACY BUILDING, UH, BUSINESSES IS HELPING TO DEFINE THAT AND THE SIGNAGE PROGRAM TO TALK ABOUT HOW DO YOU DEFINE THOSE PROGRAMS AND WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM.
BUT I THINK THAT, THAT THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN STAFF MEMBERS SO THAT, THAT, UH, TAKES SOME OF THE BURDEN BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF, UH, A COUPLE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DID ASK, WOULD THAT BURDEN BE PUT ON YOUR ALREADY UP TO THEIR EYEBALL STAFF? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.
THERE WOULD BE MORE STAFF FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PROGRAMS ADDED AS WELL AS THE PRESERVATION STAFF WOULD FINALLY GET RESTAFFED, UH, BACK TO PROBABLY 2008, 2009 LEVELS WHEN WE HAD SIX STAFF PEOPLE, SIX PLANNERS, AND WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO DO OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITIES WE WORK WITH.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH THIS AND
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SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.IT IS NOT A FULL BLOWN PRESERVATION PLAN, WHICH HAS, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS POINTED OUT MEAT AND POTATOES IN IT.
UM, TO GO OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT, WE, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'VE HAD THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, UH, CONNECT DALLAS STRATEGY FOR MOBILITY, THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN IN 2022, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY AND HOUSING POLICY HAVE BEEN REVIEWED.
AND AGAIN, I LOOK AT PRESERVATION AS BEING INTEGRAL TO ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE UP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, WE KNOW PRESERVATION, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS OF THE GREENEST BUILDINGS EVER BUILT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES ON THE GROUND THAT DON'T GO TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REHAB THEM AND THE WAY THEY'RE DESIGNED.
UM, AND WE'RE PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY BECAUSE BY THE WAY, OUR TAX AND UH, INCENTIVE PROGRAM HAS REHABBED A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND HOUSES, UM, ACROSS THE CITY.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOT ALWAYS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN BEING EQUITABLE, OUR PROGRAM, BUT LIKE I SAY, I THINK THAT'S MORE ABOUT WE WISH WE COULD DO MORE.
UM, THEY, UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THEY POINTED OUT IN THIS IS IN FROM 1988 TO 2015, WE REALLY HAD HAVEN'T HAD THE CAPACITY TO DO A PRESERVATION PLAN.
I WILL TELL YOU A LITTLE STORY OUT OF SCHOOL.
I HAD THE RFQ WRITTEN FOR THE PRESERVATION PLAN, AND IT WAS ASKED IN 2009 BECAUSE THE BUDGET, UH, THE BUDGET ISSUES, AND IT WAS WRITTEN AND IT WAS IN PROCUREMENT AND IT WAS ABOUT TO BE PUT ON THE STREET WHEN THEY ASKED, WE WENT FROM A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO 60,000 TO ZERO IN THE COURSE OF ABOUT THREE DAYS, BY THE WAY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
IF YOU LOOK AT, AT PRESERVATION TODAY, WE DO HAVE 21 HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE 155 INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS.
UM, WE HAVE THE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM, CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, WE DO CAS WE DO AN AWFUL LOT WITH A VERY SMALL HOUSE.
SO WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH IS WORKING WITH THE, UM, STEERING COMMITTEE, A NEW SET OF GOALS AND ACTIONS AND VISIONS FOR AND MISSION FOR THE PROGRAM.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US, IS THAT WE ARE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVER HERE.
AND NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK TO US.
LIKE WE DON'T ALWAYS GET, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA TALK MORE TO HOUSING, WE WANNA TALK MORE TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TO ARTS AND CULTURE.
WE'VE BEEN A TAD BIT SILOED AND THEY'VE BEEN SILOED TOO.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS PLAN, UM, IF ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, IT KIND OF SAYS TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, LET'S ALL PLAY WELL TOGETHER.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE WE CAN THEN ACCESS HOUSING, HOME REPAIR FUNDS, WE CAN WORK WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MORE.
WE CAN WORK WITH THE SMALL BUSINESS, UM, CENTER.
SO WHO HAD INPUT RESIDENTS, UH, COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS, CITY DEPARTMENTS, AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE.
UM, WHAT EVERYBODY SAID MAINLY IS ACCESSIBILITY, EFFICIENCY, INCLUSION, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND TOOLS.
IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE WANTED A PROGRAM THAT IS EASIER TO NAVIGATE.
THEY WANT, UM, CAS AND THE PROCESS PART OF THIS TO GO MORE QUICKLY.
THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING ALL AROUND, UM, THE CITY FOR WHAT WE CAN DESIGNATE.
UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS IMPORTANT AND ALSO EDUCATION AND RE UH, SOURCES.
SO AGAIN, IT'S AN UPDATED VISION, AN UPDATED MISSION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT IS THAT WE, UH, WANT TO EMPOWER RESIDENTS TO PRESERVE THEIR PLACES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS, UH, TO LOOK AT IS HOW DO WE DO LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS AND LEGACY BUSINESSES, WHICH, UH, LIKE I SAY, WILL PROBABLY NOT BE UNDER OUR PURVIEW, BUT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ADJACENT THAT WE CAN HELP WITH AND IDENTIFY.
SO THIS IS A CITYWIDE STRATEGY.
IT ADDRESSES, UH, LONGSTANDING CHALLENGES.
LIKE I SAY, OUR, OUR BIG, UH, ISSUE, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANNA DO PRESERVATION, IT'S THAT WE DON'T
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HAVE ENOUGH, UH, BODIES IN THE CHAIR AND, AND MONEY TO DO IT.SO, AND THE, THE, AGAIN, THE LACK OF COLLABORATION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, PARKS, EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ADDRESSED IN HERE.
AND SO AS YOU GO THROUGH THE GOALS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PRESERVATION PROGRAM TO DO.
AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN, UH, BE DONE OUTSIDE OF OUR PROGRAM, UM, THAT ARE, LIKE I SAY, THINGS LIKE THE LEGACY BUSINESSES, DESIGNATION OF MORE PARKS, UM, DESIGNATION OF, OF OTHER PLACES USING OTHER ZONING TOOLS OR NON ZONING TOOLS, UM, EMPOWER RESIDENTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HOPING, AGAIN, IS THAT, UM, WE CAN GET RESIDENTS MORE ENGAGED AND IDENTIFYING WHERE ARE THE SPECIAL PLACES TO THEM AND BRINGING THOSE FORWARD TO US.
UM, WE WANNA MAXIMIZE THE BENEFITS.
AGAIN, ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR BIG ISSUES IS, UH, AND AD HOC COMMITTEES LOOKING AT, AT THIS, AGAIN, IS THE TAX EXTENSION PROGRAM MAKING IT EASIER.
WE WANNA, UH, OTHER THINGS, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, AGAIN, ARE ADDRESSING IS MAKING THE CA PROCESS EASIER FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO NAVIGATE.
AND WE WANNA DO, DO THINGS LIKE BEING ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING DECONSTRUCTION OF HOUSES AND HAVING, UM, THOSE MATERIALS AVAILABLE FOR, FOR PEOPLE.
SO SOME OF THESE, AGAIN, SOME OF THE GOALS, SOME OF THESE ARE OUR OURS TO DO AND SOME WILL FALL ON, UM, OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS TO WORK WITH US ON.
SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, LIKE I SAY THIS, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE IS MOVING ON THIS, AND I HAD TO RUN OUT FROM, FROM THERE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF.
STAFF BECAUSE THEY DID A TREMENDOUS JOB IN REVIEWING ALL OF THESE TRAPS AND MAKING LOTS AND LOTS OF COMMENTS TO GETTING WHERE WE ARE.
AND, AND, UH, DIANE SHERMAN WAS ANOTHER ONE WHO ALSO WORKED ON SUBMITTING COMMENTS AS WELL AS MYSELF AND OTHERS.
BUT, UH, THIS, THIS WAS, UH, A TASK THAT TOOK A LOT OF TIME, WHICH DID NEED TO TAKE A LOT, SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME, BUT Y'ALL, UM, DID A GREAT JOB IN WORKING THROUGH IT TO, UH, GET IT WHERE IT IS TODAY.
SO I JUST WANNA THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE DRIVING YOU OUT DALLAS WITH ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT YOU, YOU CAME HERE TO SAVE US FOR A BRIEF TIME AND THEN FOR ABOUT THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, WE UNDERSTAND JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME AT JUST WHEN WE NEEDED YOU, YOU SHOWED UP IN YOUR WHITE HAT AND YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE FINE.
OTHER COMMENTS? 'CAUSE WE WILL, ARE WE VOTING ON THIS? WE'RE CONSIDERING AND DISCUSSING? YES, YOU CAN ALSO TAKE A, UM, A VOTE, UH, TO, AND THAT WOULD SEND A MESSAGE TO THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND TO THE COUNCIL THAT YOU, UM, YOU APPROVE OF THE PLAN.
AND, UM, I DON'T, WE CAN'T REALLY PAR PARSE OUT AND SAY, YEAH, WE LIKE, WE REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING GIVING THE LAND, UH, THE PRESERVATION PROGRAM MORE STAFF PEOPLE.
BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AGAIN, TO, IN, IN LOOKING AT THIS, TO, TO REALIZE THAT, THAT THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE STAFF AND MORE FUNDING AND TO, TO SAY TO THE OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, HEY, YOU ALL NEED TO WORK WITH THE PRESERVATION, UH, COMMUNITY AND WITH THE DIVISION TO BETTER REALIZE, UM, WHAT WE CAN ALL DO TOGETHER, I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT POINTS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
BECAUSE THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN HERE, STAFF, UM, I'VE BEEN IN AND OUT OF THIS PROGRAM FOR 45 YEARS.
JIM, UH, HAS BEEN IN THE PROGRAM YEAH, FOR A LONG TIME.
WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES WHO HAD, WAS IN THE, THE PROGRAM AS A COMMISSIONER FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, I THINK, AND, AND MARCUS WATSON, WHO WAS HERE WHEN I WAS, UH, HERE IN 2008, 2009.
THAT WAS A BIG DEAL TO US THAT, THAT WE HAVE BODIES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO OTHER, UM, CITY DEPARTMENTS AND, AND THEY WILL PLAY WELL WITH US.
SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND WE DO HAVE A LETTER ALSO TO REVIEW.
I BELIEVE EVERYBODY GOT THE LETTER IN THEIR PACKET.
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COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, I'M GONNA, HAS ALSO RAISED HER HAND.I WAS JUST WONDERING, I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS, UH, ANYTHING IN THIS STRATEGIC PLAN THAT CALLS FOR, LET'S SAY, A PARTNERSHIP WITH A METROTECH, UH, ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS OF, OF THIS AREA, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS LACKING, UH, EDUCATION, UH, TRAINING TO THOSE REALTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, UH, SHARE THE INFORMATION ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH, UH, BUYERS.
BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN SO MANY BUYERS THAT COME AND, AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, THAT'S UP TO THEM TO FIND OUT, BUT, UH, SOME OF THEM, UH, ARE NOT, UH, ABLE TO BECAUSE OF LANGUAGE OR, OR, UH, EDUCATIONAL DIFFERENCES OR WHATEVER.
SO IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING IN THIS STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE'LL CALL FOR PARTNERING WITH THE METRO TEXT ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS? I THINK, UM, PRESERVATION DALLAS DOES DO THE TRAINING.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT WHERE IF WE COULD GO OUT WITH PRESERVATION DALLAS AND MAY, MAYBE I WILL, UM, I WILL CALL IT A DOG AND PONY SHOW AND, AND SEE IF METRO TECH WILL ALLOW US TO COME IN.
THEY HAVE A, THEY ALWAYS HAVE LIKE LUNCH AND LEARNS, AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.
AGAIN, UM, PRESERVATION DALLAS IS OUR MAIN PARTNER, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE TRAINING AND, AND ALL BECAUSE, UM, A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE A PLACE WE CAN DO OR, UM, THEY CAN BRING THINGS TO THE TABLE THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS AREN'T ABLE TO DO.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA AND, UM, SOMETHING THAT I AM GONNA, UH, PUT INTO THE MIX BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE, UM, THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED KIND OF A SPEAKER'S BUREAU WHERE WE CAN GO OUT AND NOT ONLY THEM, BUT, BUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEED TO HEAR THE MESSAGE THAT WE'VE GOT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CHANGES YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE LETTER THAT WE'LL BE SENDING? YES.
I THOUGHT YOU DID HAVE ONE OF THOSE.
SO I HAVE TWO COMMENTS ON THE LETTER.
ONE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS IS THE SECOND PARAGRAPH.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE LISTING OUT, UH, THE, UH, EFFORTS THAT RESULT IN DESIGNATION OF SEVERAL, UH, LOCATIONS OR SEVERAL SITES, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE KNIGHTS
AND THEN ALSO THE LAST PARAGRAPH IN THAT SECOND, UM, I MEAN THE LAST SENTENCE IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, UH, WHERE TALKS ABOUT THE TASK FORCES.
UM, THAT SETTING NEEDS TO BE REWORKED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT IMPLIES THAT THE TASK FORCE HAS TRAINED THE LANDMARK COMMISSION BOARD OF PRESERVATION, DALLAS NONPROFITS, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY DID ALL OF THAT.
THAT'S NOT, THEY MAY HAVE DONE SOME OF THOSE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY DID ALL OF THAT.
SO WE NEED TO REWORK THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT JUST FOR CLARITY, NOT FOR, YEAH, WE CAN NAME ALL THOSE PEOPLE AND TALK ABOUT, YOU CAN NAME ALL THOSE PEOPLE AND TALK ABOUT, BUT YES, THE TASK FORCE DID NOT, AND DESIGNATION COMMITTEE DID NOT TRAIN ALL OF THEM.
ANYTHING ELSE? IF WE NEED TO, I GUESS, VOTE OUR APPROVAL FOR SUBMITTING THE EDITED LETTER AS OUR VIEWPOINT OF THE COMMISSION TO CITY COUNCIL, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION YOU DO THAT TO APPROVE THE LETTER WITH THE, UH, CHANGES NOTED.
UH, AND SUBMIT THAT TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT LEAVES US ONLY WITH, UM, THE MINUTES.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
DID ANYONE HAVE SOMETHING THEY NEED TO CHANGE IN THE MINUTES? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 5TH, 2024 MINUTES.
SECOND? SECOND IS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
WE'LL NOT VOTE ON APPROVING THE MINUTES UNLESS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE MINUTES.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE ON THEIR, ON THIS MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
EVERYBODY WHO SAY, AYE, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR.
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HAVE BEEN APPROVED.JUST HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE MINUTES THAT, IS THERE A REASON THAT THE MINUTES ARE NOT POSTED TO THE WEBSITE? I KNOW WE APPROVE THEM EVERY MONTH, BUT IS THE CITY SECRETARY NOT ABLE TO GET THEM ON? I THINK WE'RE LIKE SIX MONTHS BEHIND.
WELL, LAST TIME I LOOKED WE WERE SIX MONTHS BEHIND AND POSTING THE MINUTES ON THE WEBSITE.
WELL,
WELL, WHEN THE COM APPARENTLY, IF IT'S A COMPUTER OR IT THING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING MANY OF US CAN PERSONALLY DO THAT.
SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE MERGER THING.
SO IT'S BEEN, I THINK THE LAST ONES ARE MAYBE A YEAR OR TWO OLD ON THE MINUTES.
UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO UPDATE AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ACCESS, UH, FOR SOME TIME.
I THINK EVEN BEFORE MARIE LEFT, WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE ACCESS BECAUSE THEY CHANGED SYSTEMS OVER AND UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT ACCESS, UH, TO DO SO.
BUT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A MERGER.
AND SO IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT MERGER WE DID, UH, TALK TO THEM ABOUT TRYING TO SEE HOW TO GET THAT AGAIN.
DOES, DOES THE CITY SECRETARY, IS THAT ALL POSTED ON THE CITY SECRETARY'S WEBPAGE? UH, I THINK IT MAY STILL BE THERE.
UH, ELAINE WOULD BE BETTER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE SHE'S ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT HAD THE ACCESS TO UPDATE IT.
BUT WHEN THEY STARTED MERGING, THEY STARTED FORMATTING ALL OF THE PAGES TO WHERE EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION HAS, THEY JUST ENTER INFORMATION AND ALL OF THE PAGES ARE, UH, IN A CERTAIN FORMAT.
AND SO WHEN IT CHANGED OVER TO THAT, WE NO LONGER HAD ACCESS TO DO THAT.
THEY'RE WORKING ON IT AND THAT'S THE BEST THEY CAN DO.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE ARE DONE PLEASANTLY BEFORE FIVE.
THIS MEETING AT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS NOW ADJOURNED.