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I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND START.WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE ROLL CALL.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR IS IN THE ROOM.
WE DON'T SEE OUR FOLKS ONLINE.
ARE THEY ON, DO WE HAVE FOLKS ONLINE OR OUR FOLKS ONLINE ARE JUST COMING UP HERE.
MR. HELM, ARE WE RECORDING? SIR, WE ARE RECORDING.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS ONLINE THAT YOU CAN SEE? COMMISSIONER HAWK, TREADWAY, AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN? NO.
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UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.THIS IS THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MARCH 7TH, 2024, 9:07 AM AS ALWAYS, COMMISSIONERS.
UH, WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS FOR THE BRIEFING THIS AFTER FOR THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, ONE QUICK NOTE ON THE AGENDA.
THE, UH, FORWARD DALLAS BRIEFING, UH, WILL BE HELD AT THE END OF THE HEARING.
UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND, AND QUESTIONS FROM, UH, FROM COMMISSIONERS.
SO THE FIRST ITEM, WE WILL PUSH IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE END OF THE HEARING, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, AND WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE TWO, UH, SETS OF MINUTES TO APPROVE.
AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, WE DO NEED A VICE CHAIR TO BE IN THE ROOM, IN THE CHAMBER.
SO COMMISSIONER HERBERT HAS GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR TODAY, BUT I NEED A MOTION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO, MS. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU CAN SEE MY POWERPOINT.
CAN YOU HOLD ONE MOMENT PLEASE? I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED.
IT'S A REQUEST FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A MULTIFAMILY.
UM, IT'S WITH, IT IS THE, UH, AREA REQUEST IS 2.948.
UM, IT IS IN PD 5 82 SOUTH SUB DISTRICT VICTORY, VICTORY PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND IT DOES HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT ON THE PROPERTY.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF VICTORY AVENUE BETWEEN MUSEUM WAY AND HIGH MARKET STREET.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS 28 STORIES, BUT DUE TO BUDGET, THE, THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER, UH, DECIDE TO REDESIGN AND DROP IT DOWN TO 23 STORIES TALL.
SO THE CASE REPORT DOES SAY 2328 STORIES, BUT IT IS 23 AND IT'S SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO GONNA HAVE 479 UNITS AND THEN ABOVE GROUND, UH, PARKING GARAGE.
UM, I'VE ADDED THIS SECTION OF THE CODE THAT STATES THAT THERE'S NO MAX STRUCTURE AND IT CAN BE BUILT AT ANY HEIGHT.
SO THE, THE APPLICATION IS STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
HERE'S THE AREA VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, HERE'S THE ZONING MAP.
HERE IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WITH THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
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IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE PROPERTY.HERE'S ENLARGED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE PROPERTY AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, MS. BLUE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND CLARIFICATION ON THE NUMBER OF STORIES.
UM, IN THE DIAGRAM THAT YOU SHOWED ON THE AREA, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PARCEL, UM, EXTENDS TO AN INTERNAL DRIVE WITHIN THAT OVERALL PARCEL? IT'S ONLY THE EXISTING SURFACE PARKING LOT THAT'S BEING REDEVELOPED.
SO YOU STAND RIGHT HERE AT THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY? YES, MA'AM.
IT USED TO BE HIGH MARKET STREET THAT GOT ABANDONED, AND SO IT'S NOW PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY DO HAVE A PRIVATE DRIVE THERE? YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN ON THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE'S THE TABULATION THAT SPEAKS TO THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PD FOR THIS AREA.
AND THEN THOSE AREAS WILL BE CONFIRMED AT PERMITTING.
UM, IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT, THEN THEY WILL SEND BACK FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, UH, THEY WILL AMEND THE PLAN, BUT IT DOES CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CODE.
AND THEN AS PART OF YOUR REVIEW, I KNOW THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC, UM, SIDEWALK WIDTHS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE PD, UM, ALONG VICTORY AVENUE.
UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIMENSIONS, BUT ALL OF THESE MEET THAT MINIMUM STANDARD OF NINE AND A HALF FEET, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
YEAH, SOME OF 'EM ARE WIDER, SOME OF THE LAND IS WIDER, BUT IT DOES MEET THE STANDARD OF NINE AND A HALF, UH, FEET UN UNOBSTRUCTED.
AND, UH, THIS ONE MAY BE MORE FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT, UM, ON THE, I'M GONNA CALL THIS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE, UM, PROPERTY.
THERE'S SOME EXISTING OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE PD.
DO YOU KNOW HOW THIS PROJECT INTENDS TO, UM, ADDRESS AND RELATE TO THAT TO STRENGTHEN THE GOALS OF THE PD REQUIREMENTS? UH, NO MA'AM.
I'M GONNA DEFER THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
WELL, I, I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT AND I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE PUTTING SOME ENTRIES THAT ARE TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH THAT AND ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KEEP THIS ON CONSENT? OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.
UH, DO WE KNOW, UH, 497 UNITS? DO WE KNOW, UH, THE COMPOSITION, UH, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM? UM, NO SIR, THAT WOULD BE, UH, LAID OUT AT PERMITTING.
SO FOR WHAT? THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? THEY JUST NEED TO MEET THE STANDARDS, WHICH THE STANDARDS IS NO MAX.
SO WE DON'T GO INTO DETAIL HOW MANY, UM, BEDROOMS ARE REQUIRED.
UH, I KNOW PARKING RATIO IS COUNTED BY THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE CONFIRMED AT PERMITTING AS WELL.
AND WERE, UH, WAS THERE ANY DESIGNATED NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT? UM, SINCE THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S NOT A ZONING CASE.
UH, THE PD DOESN'T CALL OUT ANYTHING FOR, UH, AFFORDABLE, UH, HOUSING, BUT IF THEY DO DECIDE TO TAKE SOMETHING, IT'LL BE TAKEN, TAKEN CARE OF, PERMITTED.
AND THEN, UM, HOUSING ALSO WOULD REGULATE HOW MANY AFFORDABLE UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ALRIGHT, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU CAN SEE MY PRESENTATION.
IT'S A REQUEST FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CROP PRODUCTION.
THE AREA REQUEST IS A HUNDRED 0.979 ACRES.
IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT.
IT IS LOCATED IN SUB AREA A AND B WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 7 8.
IT ALSO HAS A PRELIMINARY PLAT ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT IS LOCATED EAST OF THE INTERSTATE, HIGHWAY 45 AND NORTH OF SIMPSON STEWART ROAD.
UM, THE APPLICATION REQUESTING A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ALLOW FOR CROP PRODUCTION OF A COMMUNITY GARDEN, COMMUNITY, URBAN GARDEN, OR FARM OR RANCH.
UM, THIS SITE HAS ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS ASSET ACCESS POINT AT THE EAST OF THE SITE, UH, FROM BIRD LANE.
UM, THIS IS NOTED OUT BECAUSE IT DOES STATE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT IT SHOULD SHOW WHAT ACCESS IS COMING IN ONTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REQUIRED FOR THIS, FOR ANY BUILDING
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PERMIT, UM, TO AUTHORIZE WORK WITHIN THIS DISTRICT.HERE'S AN AREA MAP OF THE PROPERTY.
IT IS SURROUNDED BY IR, UH, TO THE NORTH AND THEN ALSO THE EAST.
UM, THEN ACROSS SIMPSON, STEWART, THERE'S A AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.
AND THEN ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, UH, 45, THERE'S R 75.
HERE IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AS OF NOW, THERE'S A MANMADE PUN ON THE PROPERTY.
THE REST OF DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED, UM, LAND.
AND THEN HERE I HAVE CIRCLED AND ARROWED THE INGRESS AND EGRESS ONTO THE PROPERTY.
HERE'S THE ENLARGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UH, MS. BLUE, UH, YESTERDAY, DID WE NOT MEET IN, IN REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND DISCUSS THAT BODY OF WATER THAT IS PREVALENT ON THAT, THAT PIECE OF LAND? YES, MA'AM.
CAN YOU SHARE WITH THE, THIS BODY, WHAT WAS THE, UM, APPRECIATION WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FROM THE, UH, ABOUT THE, THE, THAT BODY OF WATER? I THINK THE BO THE BODY OF WATER WAS EXISTING AND THE CONDITIONS IS VERY, THERE'S LIKE A, I WOULD SAY, DEBRIS AROUND IT.
AND SO THE APPLICANT IS THINKING, THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO COME IN AND RESTORE THE PROPERTY TO HISS NATURAL STATE.
WAS THIS LAND NOT USED AS A MINING LOCATION? OH, GOD.
50 YEARS AGO OR SO? YES, MA'AM.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE BODY THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMPLIES WITH THE TEXT OF THE PD.
AND I, I KNOW COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I KNOW, UM,
AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE.
I'M NOT GONNA GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE, BUT I, I DO WANT THE, THE, THE COMMISSIONERS TO APPRECIATE THAT THE BODY OF WATER IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD INTERFERE OR HINDER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE TRINITY RIVER BECAUSE THIS BODY OF WATER DOES NOT FEED INTO THE TRINITY RIVER, NOR IS IT GETTING, GETTING WATER FROM THE TRINITY RIVER.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
SO, TO FURTHER THE, THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS IT STANDS IS APPROPRIATE AND DOES NOT HINDER ANYTHING AROUND THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, AM I GOOD? I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE COMMISSIONER IF WE COULD.
SO MS. BLUE, UM, BASED ON OUR KNOWLEDGE AND THE UNDERSTANDING WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY, SORRY, UM, CAN WE C CAN WE, UH, CAN WE AGREE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEETS THE STANDARDS OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND DOES NOT HINDER ANYTHING ELSE AROUND IT? YES, MA'AM.
UM, IT, THE LAND USE, THE LAND USE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN MEETS WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE CODE.
THE SETBACKS MEET WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE CODE, UH, AND EVERYTHING ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS FAR AS INGRESS AND EGRESS.
UM, THERE'S NO STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, SO THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIRED.
ALL THOSE ITEMS MEET THE CODE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MS. BLUE.
UH, THE PD REQUIRES THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, SHOWS A TREE PRESERVATION ZONE THAT I DID NOT SEE, UH, A DICTATED WIDTH ON THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
BUT ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT SHOWS AN 80 FOOT TREE PRESERVATION ZONE.
IS THAT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PREVIOUS CONCEPTUAL PLAN? BECAUSE THE, THE PD REQUIRES ARTICLE 10.
UM, A LANDSCAPE OR PRESERVATION PLAN WAS NOT SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
UM, THAT WOULD BE CONFIRMED AT PERMITTING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, MR. HELM? DO, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS ONLINE?
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NO.COMMISSIONERS WILL KEEP MOVING.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR, UH, MINOR AMENDMENT CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.
WE HAVE ONE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
UH, WE ARE HOLDING THIS ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 21ST, SO WE WILL BRIEF IT THEN.
UH, THAT TAKES US TO OUR ZONING CASES, UH, ON CONSENT COMMISSIONERS.
AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE FIVE THROUGH 11.
CASE NUMBER EIGHT HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT.
SO WE WILL BEGIN NUMBER NINE AS WELL.
NUMBER SIX WILL ALSO NEED TO BE TAKEN OFF SIX AS WELL.
SO SIX, EIGHT, AND NINE HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF.
CONSENT AT, UH, AT THIS TIME BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FIVE TO ROBERTS.
CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME BY CHANCE, CHAIRMAN? UH, NOT YET.
IT'S WORKING WITH A NEW SETUP HERE.
AND THEN LET ME KNOW AS SOON AS YOU CAN SEE THIS PRESENTATION.
IS THAT VISIBLE CHAIR? WE CAN SEE YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, THIS IS CASEY Z 2 2 3 1 8 8.
UH, IT'S A REQUEST FOR RENEWAL OF SUP 2365 THAT DOES ALLOW FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOR FOOD STORE OR CONVENIENCE STORE.
UH, IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LAKE JUNE ROAD IN HOLCOMB ROAD.
IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET WITHIN A 2,800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED CR COMMUNITY RETAIL.
IT IS WITHIN THE, THE D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
UM, AND THE SAP WAS ADOPTED, UM, BACK IN 2021.
YOU'LL SEE ITS RELATIONSHIP, RELATIONSHIP THERE, UM, ON SCREEN, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO LATE JUNE AND HOLCOMB AT THE HARD CORNER THERE.
AS FAR AS THE AERIAL GOES, YOU'LL SEE IT REFLECTED THERE.
USES IN THE AREA ARE, UM, COMPATIBLE WITH ANOTHER, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE JUST ACROSS THE WAY.
UH, IT DOES BACK ONTO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED.
UH, TAKING A LOOK AT SITE PHOTOS, THIS IS LOOKING, UH, SOUTHEAST OFF OF LATE JUNE.
LOOKING TOWARD THE BUILDING FROM HOLCOMB BACK TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, HERE'S THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
YOU'LL NOTICE A COUPLE UPDATES AS I FLIP BACK BETWEEN THESE TWO TO SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE SITE PLAN.
UH, JUST MAKING SOME UPDATES FOR THAT BASED OFF CHANGES OF USE, UH, ELSEWHERE ON SITE.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, SUBJECT TO THE ADMITTED CONDITIONS, UH, FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD, UH, WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ITEM? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROBERTS.
YOU WANNA BRIEF THIS ONE? IF IT'S GONNA BE HELD, THIS ONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE, UH, NOT HELD, BUT RENO, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA BE HELD.
WE WILL, UH, TO WHAT DATE DO WE KNOW? UH, JUST MARCH, MARCH 21ST.
KEEP MOVING TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN THEN, MS. GARZA.
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GOOD MORNING.ITEM ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS KZ TWO Z 2 2 3 2 85.
THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT FOR A SPECIFIC, FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2299 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SKILLMAN STREET AND THE NORTH LINE OF WENDELL ROAD, EAST OF PAGE MILL ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE POINT 19 ACRES.
THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE.
AND THEN, UM, SURROUNDING USES TO THE NORTH SEATTLE SERVICE CENTER, AS WELL AS A SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST IS AN OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, TODAY'S OFFICE WAREHOUSE, INDUSTRIAL INSIDE FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURING.
AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS A SURFACE PARKING AND THEN ALSO AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE.
THE, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS DEVELOPED WITH FOUR BUILDINGS, THREE OF WHICH ARE OCCUPIED BY THE, BY THE CHARTER SCHOOL.
THE REMAINING BUILDING CONTAINS A MEDICAL CLINIC ON AUGUST 8TH, 2018.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2299 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A SIDE PLAN AND A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON SITE LOOKING SOUTH AS SLOW LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTH AGAIN.
AND THEN LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST AND LOOKING NORTHWEST, THEN LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTH.
AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ON SIDE LOOKING EAST.
AND THEN LOOKING EAST AGAIN, AGAIN LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST ON THE SOUTH END PORTION.
THEN LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE SOUTH OF THE SITE AND THEN LOOKING SOUTH, THEN AGAIN LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING WEST AGAIN, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST.
AND THEN LOOKING NORTH AND THEN LOOKING NORTHEAST.
UH, SO, UH, THE, THE SEP CONDITIONS PROPOSED THAT THE MAIN THINGS THAT ARE, UM, BEING UPDATED IS THE TIME LIMIT.
THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT HAS NO EXPIRATION DATE.
AND THEN UNDER THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CONDITIONS, UM, WE, THEY ARE ADDING, UM, THE ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
AND THEN, UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING PLAN, SITE PLAN.
AND THEN THEY ARE UPDATING THE, THE SITE PLAN TO REFLECT WHAT IS ON SITE.
AND THEN, UH, SUCH RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED SITE PLAN AND AMENDMENT, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOW COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? YES.
UM, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING ANOMALY HERE THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE A SCHOOL OPERATING ON AN IR PROPERTY WITH AN SUP WHEN WE RECENTLY PASSED, UM, YOU KNOW, AN ORDINANCE THAT DISALLOWED DAYCARE ON INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO CHANGING THE UNDERLYING ZONING ON THESE SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN THESE INDUSTRIAL AREAS? I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION, BUT I'M NOT, UH, TOO SURE.
I HAD A, I GUESS A SIMILAR QUESTION JUST IN THAT AS WE'RE CONSIDERING PERMANENT TIME PERIODS, AS THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD MAY CHANGE, COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW, UM, PERMANENT SUP WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THAT LIGHT? UH, YES.
SO, UM, IT IS A SCHOOL, AND I KNOW MOST SCHOOLS DON'T REALLY CHANGE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, WITH, WITH THE SITES SURROUNDING, I KNOW IT'S INDUSTRIAL, UM, BUT I DON'T SEE THE SCHOOL DOING AFFECTING THE SURROUNDING SITES.
WELL, I GUESS THE CONTEXT FOR MY QUESTION IS THAT DALLAS CAN ACADEMY ACTUALLY USED TO BE IN EAST DALLAS.
I THINK THEY WERE THEN IN WEST DALLAS.
AND AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY AS THEY GROW, AS THEY NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER FACILITIES.
BUT I WAS ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT.
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THERE.I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PERMANENT SUP APPLIED, BECAUSE I DO HAVE A FEW IN MY DISTRICT AS WELL.
AND YOU KNOW, OVER TIME THINGS DO CHANGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, THEN WE'LL KEEP GOING.
HEY, WILSON, ARE YOU ONLINE PAGING WILSON KERR TO THE AFTER HOURS WAITING AREA? YEAH, WE CAN, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT ONE.
BEAR WITH ME AS I GET THIS PULLED UP.
OH, I DID JUST RECEIVE A MESSAGE FROM WILSON AS WELL.
I'LL WORK WITH HIM ON THAT SWAP CHAIR.
CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU SEE THAT? YES, WE CAN.
OH, THIS IS CASE, UH, Z 2 23 3 24.
UH, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SEP, UH, FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER.
UH, IT'S LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 240 FEET SOUTHEAST OF WEB CHAPEL IN BOLIVAR.
UH, AND IT IS WITHIN AN EXISTING, UH, LITTLE OVER 14,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UH, THE SITE'S CURRENTLY ZONED CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT IS WITHIN THE D ONE AND, AND LOVEFIELD AIRPORT OVERLAYS.
UM, THE EXISTING USE ON SITE, IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE BY TODAY, IS A MEDICAL CLINIC.
UH, BUT THE, UH, PROPOSED USE, UH, WOULD INCLUDE ADULT EDUCATION, ESL.
THERE'S CHILDHOOD LITERACY, UH, BUT THERE'S NO, UH, CHILDCARE ASSOCIATED AND THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CR DISTRICT.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THOSE CONDITIONS HERE ON SCREEN.
OF COURSE, WE CAN COME BACK AND SPEAK TO THEM IF WE NEED TO.
UH, YOU'LL SEE ITS LOCATION MAP THERE AS IT RELATES TO ITS, UH, POSITIONING ON WEB CHAPEL.
TAKING A LOOK AT THE AERIAL, YOU'LL SEE THE ORIENTATION OF THE EXISTING SITE, WHICH I'LL ILLUSTRATE IN THE SITE PLAN COMING UP, UH, DOES IT, BUT SINGLE FAMILY, THERE'S A FEW OTHER MEDICAL, UH, USES OR MULTI-TENANT USES IN THE AREA ALONG WEB CHAPEL.
I CAN SEE A IMAGE OF THE SITE LOOKING UP WEB CHAPEL TO THE NORTHWEST AND LOOKING BACK DOWN WEB CHAPEL, LOOKING INTO THE SITE, ONE OF THE ACCESS POINTS.
AND THEN LOOKING BACK AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE, I CAN SEE THE, UH, SITE ORIENTATION THERE.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, IS APPROVAL FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD.
THAT WAS THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, WE THINK THAT THE THANK YOU SIR.
SIMILARITY LAND USES IN THE AREA ALLOWS FOR THAT.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER? YES.
UM, GIVEN THAT THIS SITE IS, HAS RESIDENTIAL
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ADJACENCY AND IT, AND IT'S ALSO A PROPOSED NEW USE, WHAT IS YOUR RATIONALE FOR AN SUP WITH NO EXPIRATION DATE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.SO WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING THAT, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE INTENSITIES OF THE LAND USES ALONG WEB CHAPEL, AND WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY, UH, INCONSISTENCIES THERE.
UH, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT THE INTENSITY OF THE CURRENT USE, SWITCHING TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICE USE, DIDN'T THINK THAT THERE'D BE ANY, UH, CONCERNS IN THE INTENSITY OF THAT.
I DID, I DID TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT, OF COURSE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS THAT THERE, THERE'S BEEN CONSIDERATION IN PAST FOR A, FOR A NON INDEFINITE, UH, TIMEFRAME.
THEY WERE, UH, RECEPTIVE OF THAT.
BUT WE WENT FORWARD WITH THEIR INITIAL REQUEST TO YOU THIS MORNING.
ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 10.
UH, CONNOR, IS WILSON STILL HAVING AUDIO ISSUES? HEY RYAN? YEAH, I'M WORKING WITH HIM OFFLINE.
I THINK HE MIGHT'VE LOGGED IN WITH A BAD WEBEX LINK, SO I'LL WORK WITH HIM.
UM, YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST SHOOT ME AN EMAIL WHEN HE'S, UH, ABLE TO JOIN US SO WE CAN GO BACK TO HIS ITEMS. I'D APPRECIATE IT.
MR. ROBERTS GOT THE HOT HAND TODAY,
BEAR WITH ME AS I SHARE SCREENS TWO CHAIRMAN.
CAN YOU SEE THAT? YES, WE CAN.
THAT'S REQUEST FOR RENEWAL OF SUP 2358.
THAT ALLOWS FOR A ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, UH, LIMITED TO THE MICRO BREWERY, MICRO DISTILLERY OR WINERIES.
UH, BEING THE BREWERY CATEGORY, IT'S SPANS TWO PROPERTIES LOCATED 90 FEET OR 95 FEET, UH, WEST OF COMMERCE AND LANE STREET DOWNTOWN.
A LITTLE BIT OF THE ZONING BACKGROUND, IT'S WITHIN A SUB SUBDISTRICTS, A, B, AND C OF PD SIX, UH, ONE NINE, UH, SORT OF A FEW OF APPLICABLE OVERLAYS.
UH, THE, UM, ORIGINAL SP WAS ADOPTED ON, UH, JANUARY 25TH, 2022.
I CAN SEE ITS RELATIONSHIP THERE ON COMMERCE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A DEDICATED PEDESTRIAN PATH JUST TO THE LEFT OF THAT.
IT'S AT THE BASE, UH, OF A MUCH TALLER BUILDING ON SURROUNDING USES, UH, COMMERCIAL PARKING STRUCTURE AND MULTIFAMILY OFFICE AND HOTEL IN THE AREA.
AND AGAIN, TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE USES AS THEY RELATE TO THE PD SUBDISTRICTS, UH, ON COMMERCE.
UH, LOOKING WEST, THE, UH, UNIT JUST TO THE LEFT ON THE PHOTO, LOOKING BACK EAST UNIT NOW TO THE RIGHT, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT THE EXTERIOR PATIO, UH, AREA, AND THEN LOOKING DOWN BRODER STREET, WHICH IS A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS ONLY.
AND LOOKING BACK AT THAT PATIO AREA, UH, THERE'S A PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS RENEWAL.
UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE MANY CONDITIONS FOR THE TWO YEAR PERIOD.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, NO QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, AND WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 12.
UH, I THINK NUMBER 12 HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THIS ITEM? YES.
NO UPDATES, BUT THE APPLICANT DID ASK TO HOLD THIS CASE.
THEY DIDN'T GIVE A SPECIFIC DATE.
I THINK THEY'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THEIR EASEMENT THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, LET'S DO THE 21ST.
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SO THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER 13 HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED.LET'S, LET'S WAIT OFF ON THIS ONE.
UH, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY IS GONNA JOIN US LATER.
SO LET'S, LET'S BRIEF IT WHEN SHE'S ONLINE.
UH, WE MAY HAVE TO BRIEF IT BEFORE WE HEAR IT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, UM, STAY FLEXIBLE ON THAT ONE.
IT TAKES US TO, NUMBER 14, HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
GIANNA, ARE YOU WITH US? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT, UH, HAS JOINED US AT 9 42.
I THINK WE ALSO HAVE FIGURED OUT WILSON AND CARTER'S ISSUE, SO HE'S AVAILABLE AS WELL.
OKAY, WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT ONE.
WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 15, MR. CLINTON.
HELLO, HOW YOU DOING? IS THIS CASE? Z 2 2 3 2 9 9.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU MU TWO MIXED USE TWO DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND REGIONAL RE, UH, REGIONAL RETAIL, EXCUSE ME, UH, DISTRICT ON CORNER OF INTERSECTION AT EAST CLARENDON DRIVE, VIOLA STREET AND UPTON STREET.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW, UH, THE BUILDING OF APPROXIMATELY 40 MULTIFAMILY UNITS UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF AN MU TWO DISTRICT.
AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 0.5 ACRES IN SIZE.
UH, THIS IS OUR AERIAL MAP WITH THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED.
UH, QUICK ZONING MAP, UH, JUST GIVING THE SURROUNDING USES.
UH, THERE'S MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH, REGIONAL, REGIONAL, UH, RETAIL TO THE WEST, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST, AS WELL AS, UM, SOME LIGHT, UM, INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE EAST, IMMEDIATE EAST.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY IN THE SOUTHWEST DALLAS.
CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT ZONED REGIONAL RETAIL.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A CORNER LOT AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, OF VIOLA STREET, UPTON STREET, AND EAST CLARENDON DRIVE.
SO IT HAS FRONTAGE ON, UH, EACH OF THOSE, UH, STREETS.
AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE PROPERTY BE REZONED TO, UH, MU TWO TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE.
HERE ARE, UM, SITE VISIT PICTURES.
UM, THERE'S THE ZONING SIGNS, ORIGINAL ZONING SIGNS POSTED.
AND THIS IS ON VIOLA STREET, LOOKING WEST.
UM, SAME LOCATION, LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE SITE.
THE SAME LOCATION LOOKING NORTH, UM, TO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES.
THIS IS ON THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH.
UM, AND NOW WE HAVE A FEW IMAGES OF THE SURROUNDING USES.
THIS IS ON EAST CLAIN, UH, LOOKING SOUTH.
UM, LOOKING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE, THE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SITE.
EXCUSE ME, THIS IS ALSO ON EAST CLARITIN LOOKING NORTH.
THIS IS ON UPTON LOOKING EAST.
HERE'S A BRIEF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS
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CHART.UM, JUST COMPARING THE EXISTING, UM, DISTRICT TO THE PROPOSED DISTRICT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, GOOD MORNING.
UM, I DID GO OUT TO THIS SITE, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF THIS SITE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT INFORMATION ON WHAT'S GOING ON TO, ON THE INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH? IT'S A BIG COMPLEX, UH, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT LOOKED LIKE A VACANT WAREHOUSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
SO WE'LL GO TO 16 MORNING MR. BATE.
UH, THIS IS CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 9.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 4 9 5 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, LIMITED TO A CLASS A DANCE HALL.
IT WAS LOCATED ON THE EAST CORNER OF VAL LIPSCOMB WAY AND MEADOW STREET, APPROXIMATELY 18,559 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
UH, WE SEE IT RIGHT HERE IN THE HEART OF, UH, SOUTH DALLAS.
UH, HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE SITE.
I ASSUMED IT WAS STILL SHARING.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OR CONTINUE? ALRIGHT, SO HERE WE SEE THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE, UH, LOCATED ALONG OUT LIPSCOMB AND MEADOW.
THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING A VARIETY OF USES AROUND IT.
AS YOU SEE, IT'S IN THE SORT OF, UH, THE, YOU COULD CALL IT THE BUFFER ZONE OR THE BORDER ZONE BETWEEN, UH, THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT AND SOME OTHER SUBDISTRICTS AROUND THERE.
UH, TO THE NORTHWEST IS A SHOPPING CENTER WITH A VARIETY OF RETAIL USES.
UH, TO THE SOUTHWEST IS A LIQUOR STORE AND AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, THEN FURTHER DOWN TO THE SOUTHEAST IS A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY.
I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THERE IS THIS SMALL, UH, PA PARKING ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS, UH, SURFACE PARKING LOT OWNED BY THE, UH, OWNED BY THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
UH, SO CURRENTLY ZONED CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 9 5, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THE BAR LOUNGE, TAVERN AND COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO THE CLASS A DANCE HALL.
UH, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE RENEWAL OF SEP 1 4 9 5 FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON AUGUST 13TH, 2008.
IT WAS AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD ON AUGUST 13TH, 2018.
UH, THE SUP EXPIRED ON AUGUST 13TH, 2023, AND THE APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL WAS RECEIVED ON AUGUST 1ST.
AFTER THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WINDOW, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING RENEWAL OF SUP 1 4 9 5 FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH AUTO RENEWALS TO CONTINUE TO BORROW TAVERN USE AND THE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT.
INSIDE I LIMITED TO A CLASS A DANCE HALL.
I DO WANNA MAKE A CORRECTION HERE.
I, UH, THERE, THIS IS A SLIGHTLY OUTTA DATE SLIDE.
UH, THERE IS A SLIGHT CHANGE TO CONDITIONS, NOTHING THAT I WOULD CONSIDER MATERIAL.
WE RESCINDED A COUPLE OF DUPLICATIVE, UH, ITEMS IN THERE REGARDING OFF STREET PARKING AS WELL AS THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HANDLED AT PERMITTING.
IT WOULD NOT CHANGE WHAT IS THE ACTUAL REQUIRED PARKING.
UH, WE JUST WANTED TO CLEAN UP THE, THE SUP CONDITIONS A LITTLE BIT AND THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN FOR THE SUP HERE.
WE SEE THE SITE ON ALEX LIPSCOMB WAY, LOOKING SOUTHEAST TOWARDS THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN FURTHER BACK LOOKING EAST, WE SEE ONE OF THESE NEIGHBORING RETAIL USES.
AND THEN, SO THE NORTHEAST DOWN ALEX LIPSCOMB SWAY LOOKING TO THE NORTH, THAT'S THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN TO THE NORTHWEST AT THE SHOPPING CENTER ON THE CORNER OF VAL LIPSCOMB MEADOW, LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE SUBJECT SITE.
AND THEN LOOKING NORTHWEST AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
THIS IS ON MEADOW LOOKING NORTHEAST AT THE SUBJECT SITE ON MEADOW, LOOKING NORTH AT THE SUBJECT SITE.
AND THEN ON MEADOW LOOKING SOUTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
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NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO IT.STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO THE AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, PARKING AND THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE THE, UM, CONDITIONS SHOW THE, THE, THE FORMER CONDITIONS, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SHOW THAT THERE ARE 23 PARKING SPACES ON SITE, AND IT ALSO SHOWS THAT THERE'S NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE EXISTING SITE PLAN, BUT THE CURRENT REPORT AND THAT SITE PLAN SEEMS TO SHOW THAT THERE'S 37 PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
SO WAS THE PROPERTY JUST NEVER, THE CONDITIONS WERE NEVER IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE SITE PLAN? LET ME CHECK MY, UH, REPORT HERE.
UH, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MISMATCH THERE IN THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS AS THEY WERE PUT VERSUS WHAT WAS IN THE SITE PLAN.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN AND COUNTING OUT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS, IT'S A LITTLE FUZZY, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT THERE WOULD BE, THERE WAS NEVER A, THE FULL AMOUNT OF PARKING PROVIDED ON SITE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL PARKING WAS PROVIDED IN THAT PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH, UH, EAST.
WHICH BY THAT, YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART, BUT JUST AS THE, THE EXISTING CONDITION SHOULD SAY THAT THERE'S 23 SITES, 23 SPOTS ON SITE, WHICH, WHICH THIS EXISTING SITE PLAN WITH NO CHANGES PROPOSED DOES NOT SHOW.
UM, BUT THIS SITE PLAN THAT IS WITH NO CHANGES DOES MATCH THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND AND WITH THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT YOUR REPORT IS SAYING THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE ON SITE.
SORRY, I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR THE LAST BIT.
SO I GUESS IT BOILS DOWN TO DOES THIS EXISTING, THIS SITE PLAN THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD, IT MATCHES THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE ON SITE? I BELIEVE SO.
I DIDN'T DO ACCOUNT OF THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL PARKING SPACES ON MY SITE VISIT.
UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND ALSO ASKING THE APPLICANT THIS AFTERNOON.
I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
UH, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT AUTO RENEWALS.
I KNOW WE HAD A, UM, AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO US, FORWARDED TO US THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP FROM SOME, A NEIGHBOR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD AT THIS LOCATION.
EVERYTHING, DRUG USE, PROSTITUTION, LITTER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITE? AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER WHEELER HAS HELD SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THIS.
WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE CONDITIONS WERE NOT THE ONLY PROPERTY, IT WAS WITH PROPERTY THAT WAS SURROUNDED THAT, WERE YOU AWARE THAT IT WASN'T THE ACTUAL PROPERTY THAT HAD AN ISSUE WITH, IT WAS ANOTHER PROPERTY IN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT THE, THAT THEY OWNED, THAT THAT WAS THE ISSUE WAS NEVER THE ACTUAL BUSINESS.
IT WAS THE HANGING WHEN THE BUSINESS WAS CLOSED? UH, YES, I'VE, I'VE HEARD FROM THAT.
AND DID, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THEY RAMIFIED SOME OF THAT WITH, UH, WITH, UH, CLEANUP AND FENCING AND WE, AND THEY WORKED AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS JUST WANTED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM? UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF SOME OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO DO THAT, BUT I AM AWARE THAT THEY HELD THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WORKED WITH THE, UH, SURROUND.
OH, YOU ALSO, OH, HOW AND HOW LONG HAS THIS BUSINESS BEEN IN ESTABLISHED AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ABOUT 24 YEARS.
AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UM, IN THIS REPORT, DO YOU ALL, I MEAN, INCLUDE ANY, UM, POLICE CALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, WE DO PROVIDE A CRIME REPORT THAT IS GENERATED BY DPD.
UH, THE CRIME REPORT IS GENERATED USING THE POINT ADDRESS, AND IT'S FOR ANY CALLS TO SERVICE THAT ARE REGISTERED IN THE SYSTEM AS BEING AT THAT ADDRESS.
UH, BUT WE DO NOT PERFORM ANY STAFF ANALYSIS OF THOSE STATISTICS.
THEY'RE PROVIDED FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW.
UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE HISTORICAL HISTORY OF THIS SITE.
UM, I, WERE YOU ABLE TO DO ANY SITE VISITS DURING, ARE THEY IN OPERATION NOW IS BASICALLY MY QUESTION.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE STILL IN OPERATION.
UH, THEY OPERATE IN THE EVENINGS, SO, UH, I WAS NOT ABLE TO SEE IT, UH, AT NIGHT.
UH, MY NEXT QUESTION WAS GONNA BE A FUNNY ONE TOO, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SAVE THAT FOR LATER.
WE'RE GONNA COME RIGHT BACK TO THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 17.
WE DO HAVE, UH, WILSON KERR ONLINE MORNING.
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AND, UH, CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SCREEN? WE CAN.CAN, ARE YOU ABLE TO, ARE YOU SEEING THE FULL SCREEN OR THE, SO THIS IS, UH, CASE C TWO.
UH, THIS IS CASE Z 2 2 3 3 30.
IT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP 1 5 3 2 AT, UH, 28 15 MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
UH, THIS REQUEST IS FOR, UH, RENEWAL OF SUP NUMBER 1532 FOR A CONVALESCENT AND NURSING HOME HOSPICE CARE OR RELATED INSTITUTION.
IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTH CORNER OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
BOULEVARD AND SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD.
IT'S ZONED PD 5 95, UH, SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT TRACK NUMBER FOUR IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, AREA.
IT'S, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1.1 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN.
AND THIS WAS HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT, UM, TO TODAY FROM THE, UH, THE MEETING ON THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY.
HERE'S THE LOCATION MAP REQUEST DETAILS.
UH, THIS IS, UH, CONTINUE TO ALLOW A CONVALESCENT NURSING HOME OR HOSPICE CARE OR RELATED INSTITUTION.
THE REQUEST IS FOR AN APPROVAL OF A PERMANENT SEP FOR THE USE.
AND, UH, THE SEP WAS INITIALLY APPROVED IN 2003 AND, UH, THE APPLICANT DID MISS THEIR AUTO-RENEWAL WINDOW.
THERE'S AN AERIAL MAP, UH, TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY USES JUST TO THE NORTHEAST IS A BANK USE.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST ARE SOME RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL USES.
AND THEN CATTYCORNER, UM, ARE RETAIL AND PARKING USAGES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS WITHIN TRACK FOUR OF PD 5, 9 5.
HERE'S ON THE SITE, LOOKING SOUTHWEST ON SITE, LOOKING NORTHEAST, UH, ON THE SITE LOOKING NORTHWEST, THAT, UM, THAT TRASH RECEPTACLE HAS BEEN REMOVED, UH, ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST.
THEN THIS IS ON, UM, MALCOLM X LOOKING NORTHEAST.
AND HERE'S ON THE SITE LOOKING NORTHWEST.
AND HERE'S THE SITE PLAN AS WELL AS, UH, AN ENLARGED VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN.
AND THEN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, FOR APPROVAL, IT'S FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS.
UH, IT'S TO CONTINUE THE CURRENT, UM, UM, FOR MINUTES.
WAS THIS ITEM TAKEN OFF? CONSENT LA UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE APPLICANT WANTS A, UM, A LONGER PERIOD, THIS IS UNDER ADVISEMENT AND OH, YEAH, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON.
THAT'S THE SAME COURSE I'M ASKING.
UM, AND THE REASON, UM, WHAT WAS THE DISCREPANCY? WAS IT, WHAT, HOW LONG DID THE APPLICANT WANT THE APPLICANT WAS ASKING FOR A PERMANENT SUP.
AND HOW LONG HAS THIS LOCATION BEEN IN, IN BUSINESS? I BELIEVE SINCE THE, THE, I BELIEVE SINCE THE EIGHTIES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 18, PLEASE.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 4.
AND APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 9 8 2 FOR A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT FOR A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP ELEMENT NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT WITH CBD DOWNTOWN DEMOLITION DELAY OVERLAY ON SOUTHWEST CORNER OF INTERSECTION AT ELM STREET AND NORTH.
UH, THIS IS A RENEWAL OF THE SUP TO ALLOW CONTINUED OPERATION OF THE BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT FOR A CLASS A DANCE HALL USE, UM, APPROXIMATELY 0.14 ACRES IN SIZE.
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HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP.IT'S, UH, CENTRAL DALLAS, DOWNTOWN DEEP EL I'M SORRY, DEEP EL.
UM, HERE'S OUR AERIAL MAP WITH THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED.
THIS IS, UM, ZONING MAP WITH THE SURROUNDING USES, UM, WHICH ARE PRETTY MUCH ALL COMMERCIAL RETAIL, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2 69 AND VARIOUS SUVS.
UM, AGAIN, CURRENTLY ZONED UNDER PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, NUMBER 2 69.
IT, UH, THIS IS A CORNER LOT, SO IT HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH ELM STREET AND NORTH CROWDED STREET.
UM, HOURS OF OPERATION CURRENTLY ARE 4:00 PM TO 2:00 AM UM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND BETWEEN 12:00 PM UH, NOON AND 2:00 AM UH, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE LAND USE OR THE SITE PLAN, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING AN SUP RENEWAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
UM, THE CURRENT SUP EXPIRED, UM, OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
THEY FILED FOR RENEWAL OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
AND, UM, AGAIN FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEAR TERM.
UM, THIS IS ON THE PROPERTY ON ELM STREET LOOKING SOUTHEAST.
THIS IS ON, UH, NORTH CROWDED STREET, UH, LOOKING SOUTH SOUTHEAST.
THIS IS ON THE CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION LOOKING NORTHEAST.
THIS IS ON ELM STREET, LOOKING NORTHWEST, ALSO ON ELM STREET.
LOOKING NORTH HERE ARE THE, UH, THE PROPOSED SUP CONDITIONS.
AGAIN, NO CHANGES ARE BEING PROPOSED.
AND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? YES, COMMISSIONER HAM.
WE HAD HELD THIS FROM THE LAST, UM, MEETING TO ALLOW FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
ARE YOU AWARE IF THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THE SURROUNDING STAKEHOLDERS? UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVE NOT SHARED THAT INFORMATION WITH ME.
WELL, I I BELIEVE THEY'LL BE HERE LATER TODAY AND WE CAN ASK THEM ABOUT THAT.
UM, I BELIEVE WHEN WE HEARD THIS LAST TIME, UM, THIS, WHILE IT'S A RENEWAL OF AN SUP, IT'S A NEW OPERATOR AT THIS LOCATION, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO SUVS RUN WITH THE LAND AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO JUST, UM, CONTINUE THE USAGE.
SO WHILE A RENEWAL, UM, IN TERMS OF THE SUP REQUIREMENT, HOW IT'S OPERATING WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE EVALUATED BASED ON THE NEW BUSINESS, I'LL SAY.
UM, HOW WAS THAT FACTORED INTO STAFF'S CONSIDERATION ON THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD? UH, THANK YOU.
SO BASICALLY, UM, MY EVALUATION IS LOOKING AT, UM, THE NEW OPERATOR AND ALSO, UM, SURROUNDING SVPS IN THE AREA, UM, THE HISTORY OF THE, UH, THE SITE AS WELL.
AND LOOKING AT, UH, WHAT WAS GRANTED IN THE PAST FOR NEW OPERATORS OR NEW SUVS IN THAT SAME AREA.
SO THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY, UM, CONCERNS WITH THE, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, CONCERNS IN TERMS OF HOW THE NEW OPERATOR IS INTEGRATING, UM, IN LIGHT OF THE OTHER SURROUNDING USES AND HOW THEY'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER? THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SHARED THAT INFORMATION WITH ME.
I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT AT THE HEARING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, IT IS, UH, 10:04 AM COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET BACK ON THE RECORD.
WE NEED, WE DO HAVE EIGHT COMMISSIONERS IN THE ROOM.
UM, WE'RE ON CASE NUMBER 19, AND I HAVE BEEN ADVISED 21ST THAT IT IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 21ST BECAUSE OF THE ERROR AND NOTICE, UH, ON THE, THE OLD TYPO THERE, PD NUMBER THREE 17.
UH, I, I HAVE ALSO BEEN ADVISED THAT WE CANNOT BRIEF IT EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
UH, MR. MOORE HAS ADVISED THAT WE, WE CANNOT BRIEF IT.
SO WE'LL BRIEF THAT ITEM ON THE 21ST.
THAT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 20.
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GOOD MORNING MS. A GOOD MORNING.ITEM 20 IS CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 72.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED AN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY MILMORE DRIVE, SHILOH ROAD, HEALY DRIVE, AND CASA OAKS DRIVE.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 12.4 ACRES LOCATED IN DISTRICT TWO, UH, AERIAL AND ZONING LAND USE MAP.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY IN R SEVEN FIVE A WITH A PUBLIC PARK TO THE NORTHWEST.
THE AREA OF REQUEST IS DEVELOPED WITH AN EXISTING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
KEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HAS BEEN IN OPERATION ON THE SITE SINCE THE MID 1950S.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THEN DEMOLISHED THE EXISTING SCHOOL.
UM, AND JUST FYI THERE IS AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UM, AND I'M GONNA START ON HEALY DRIVE AND JUST WORK MY WAY AROUND CLOCKWISE SINGLE FAMILY.
JUST SHOWING YOU EXISTING CONDITIONS HERE.
I BELIEVE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE IS GONNA BE REMOVED.
SIDEWALKS ARE GONNA BE UPGRADED TO THE WIDER WIDTH.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA COME IN WITH A, UM, A WROUGHT IRON TYPE FENCE.
THIS IS THE PARK TO THE NORTHWEST HARRY STONE PARK.
LOTS OF SINGLE FAMILY EXISTING PORTABLES, UM, WILL NO LONGER BE NEEDED.
UM, ON HEALY DRIVE, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE THE SORT OF CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY AT THE EXISTING SCHOOL.
WHEN THEY BUILD, THEY'LL HAVE ONE ACCESS POINT ON THIS, ON THIS ROAD.
UM, THIS IS JUST HERE FOR REFERENCE.
UM, THIS CHART IS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS FURTHER, IT'S HERE FOR REFERENCE.
UM, AND THEN THE PROPOSED SUP SITE PLAN.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE THAT REMAIN OUTSTANDING.
THERE WERE FIVE ITEMS FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING REVIEW THAT REMAINED PENDING, UM, HAVING TO DO WITH THE, THE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS POINTS, UM, THE SIZE OF THE RADIUS, AND THEN THIS ADDITIONAL BUS LANE AND BUS ACCESS POINT.
UM, AS WELL AS, UM, NEEDING SOME ADDITIONAL OR STAFF RECOMMENDING SOME ADDITIONAL ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.
BASICALLY WE JUST NEED TO BE REVISED TO UPDATE, UM, TO CONFORM BASICALLY WITH THE SAME BASE SITE PLAN AS WHAT'S SHOWN, UM, THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT.
AND THEN HERE ARE THE PENDING ITEMS. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO THROUGH QUICKLY AND UPDATE YOU AS TO STATUS.
BECAUSE APPLICANT AND STAFF HAVE CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS.
UM, ITEMS ONE AND TWO ARE RESOLVED BASED ON ADDITIONAL RESPONSES PROVIDED.
WE DO HAVE CROSSING GUARDS THAT ARE EXISTING CONDITION.
THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT IF THESE WERE NEW, UH, IF THIS WAS GONNA BE A NEW PROPOSAL.
SO, UM, WE DID VERIFY THAT THAT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION TO REMAIN.
UM, AND THEN THE THREE PICKUP LANE CONCEPT, THEY DID PROVIDE OBSERVATIONS FROM A SITE WHERE THIS IS BEING USED SUCCESSFULLY.
SO STAFF HAS, UM, REMOVED ANY OBJECTION TO THAT.
UM, ITEM THREE, THE BUS DRIVEWAY, UH, REMAINS WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR REMOVAL, UM, OF THE ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY FOR BUSES.
THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT.
UM, THIS IS NOT A PARTICULARLY STICKY POINT OF CONTENTION.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS REMOVAL, BUT WE UNDERSTAND, UM, WHY THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE IT THERE.
UM, ITEM FOUR REMAINS UNRESOLVED.
UM, AND WE'RE STILL WAITING ON ADDITIONAL RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT.
THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA HAVE THEIR ENGINEER DO A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM,
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I GUESS TURN STUDIES OR WHATEVER.I'LL LET DAVID GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT, UM, THE STANDARD, THE CITY STANDARD FOR THIS LOCATION AND USE WOULD BE A, A MAXIMUM 24 FEET, UH, DRIVEWAY WIDTH WITH A MAXIMUM 15 FOOT RADIUS.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING A 30 FOOT OR TWO 30 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, AND THE RADIUS IS LARGER, BUT I, I BELIEVE THEY'VE AGREED TO COME DOWN TO THE 15 FEET FOR THE RADIUS.
UM, WE'RE JUST KIND OF WAITING TO HEAR WHAT THEIR ENGINEER HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE WIDTH AT THAT DRIVEWAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THEM WAS, EXCUSE ME, POSSIBLY NOTING, UM, A, A RANGE OF WIDTHS ON THE DRIVEWAY, ACCESS POINTS ON THE SITE PLAN TO SAY 24 TO 30 FEET TBD AT PERMITTING.
ONCE THEY CAN GET IN THERE AND ANALYZE IT FURTHER.
UM, THEY SEEMED AMENABLE TO THAT, BUT I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, AND THEN PROBABLY THE BIGGEST POINT OF DISAGREEMENT REMAINING WOULD BE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.
AND I DID WARN DAVID THAT I WAS GONNA KIND OF PUT HIM ON BLAST HERE, UM, AND BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR
UH, GO, GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THAT IF NEEDED.
UM, AND JUST RUNNING THROUGH QUICKLY, THE SUP CONDITIONS ARE FAIRLY STANDARD FOR SUP.
UM, WE DID ADD A CONDITION TO THE, THE SUP CONDITIONS FOR THE SIDE YARD BECAUSE THEY'RE PROPOSING A 25 FOOT SIDE YARD.
UM, AT MILMORE AND HEALY, TYPICALLY THE, THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE 10 FEET IN A SIDE YARD FOR R SEVEN FIVE A.
SO, UM, BECAUSE THIS DIFFERS FROM THE BASE CODE, UM, WE'RE ADDING IT AS A CONDITION, UM, THE FENCE CONDITION IS THERE BECAUSE, UM, THERE IS A MAX HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET FOR A FENCE IN A FRONT YARD AT THIS LOCATION.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT FOR A PORTION WHERE THEY WERE UNABLE TO, TO RECESS IT BACK BEHIND THE SETBACK LINE OR TO, ANYWAY, THEY COULDN'T QUITE WORK IT OUT UNDER THE BASE CODE.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO, UH, SEEK, UH, BOARD APPROVAL TO HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD AT, UM, CASA OAKS, CASA OAKS AND SHILOH.
SO THIS CONDITION IS WRITTEN IN HERE TO SAY, UM, THAT BASICALLY YOU CAN HAVE A MA MAXIMUM SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE IN A REQUIRED YARD.
UM, BUT THAT IN THE FRONT YARD, IT WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD TO BE TALLER THAN FOUR FEET.
UM, AND THEN PEDESTRIAN AMENITY LANGUAGE AND SIDEWALKS AND BUFFER LANGUAGE.
THIS WAS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT BASED ON THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UM, FOR THE DISD BOND PROGRAM AND UPDATED THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT LANGUAGE TO THE CURRENT.
AND WITH THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN, REVISED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS QUESTIONS.
UM, I KNOW YOU AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS EARLIER THIS WEEK.
UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME HAS NOT SUBMITTED ANY REVISED CONDITIONS TO STAFF? UM, THEY HAVEN'T JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ADDRESSED IT WITH US.
WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION AFTER YOU AND I MET, AND I GUESS THEY MET WITH YOU TOO.
WE GOT TOGETHER AND THEY WERE KIND OF ASKING FOR STAFF'S GUIDANCE ON THAT, BASICALLY.
UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION FOR ANY DIFFERENT LANGUAGE YET.
BUT SHOULD WE GET A MOTION FOR ANY DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, WE'VE INDICATED TO THEM THAT WE WILL WRITE THAT UP IN, IN PREPARATION FOR THE ORDINANCE.
AND SO, UM, ITEMS THAT I THINK WERE DISCUSSED AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANNA FIELD THIS OR DAVID, SO ON THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS REGARDING THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINTS, MM-HMM,
SO I, IS IT CORRECT THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, UM, RELOCATING THOSE SO THAT THEY RELATED TO THE, UM, ACCESSIBLE WALKWAYS THROUGH THE PARKING AREAS? I'M NOT AWARE IF THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THAT OR IF IT'S, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CHANGE AS FAR AS THAT.
UM, WE HAVE ENCOURAGED THEM AND PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IN ADDITION TO ADDITIONAL AADE UH, PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCESS POINTS, STAFF HAD CONCERN WITH, UM, AND WHAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON IS REFERRING TO AS THIS ACCESS POINT HERE FOR PEDESTRIANS.
AND THEN THIS ACCESS POINT HERE, STAFF HAD CONCERN WITH THEM, ONE BEING LOCATED IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE VEHICULAR DRIVE.
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AND THEN ALSO AS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON SAID, THE FACT THAT IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR A PEDESTRIAN OR BICYCLIST TO ACCESS THE SCHOOL VIA ONE OF THOSE PATHS WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS THE CONFLICT POINT WITH THE VEHICLE.SO I BELIEVE THAT YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO KIND OF FLIP, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GET THEM FURTHER AWAY AND TO ALIGN THEM WITH THE ACCESS POINTS THAT EXIST FOR HANDICAP SPACES ALREADY.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE LOCATION OF THESE TWO, HOWEVER, STAFF HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT, I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS EMBEDDED WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOPEFULLY THERE WOULD BE MORE WALKERS ENCOURAGED BY WIDER SIDEWALKS AND ALL THESE PATHWAYS.
AND, AND IF ANYONE WERE TO SAY, IF THE COMMUNITY WERE TO USE ANY OF THE PLAY AREAS ON SATURDAY MORNING OR AFTER HOURS, NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE SCHOOL, ANYONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON THIS PROPOSAL HAS ONLY TWO POSSIBLE ACCESS POINTS WHEN THEY'RE ON FOOT OR BICYCLE.
SO WE WERE ENCOURAGING THEM TO ADD MORE, UM, AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THE COUNTERPOINT.
AND AGAIN, THAT KIND OF THIRD ACCESS POINT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED THROUGH THE ENGINEERING AND STAFF REVIEW HAS TO DO WITH COMMUNITY ACCESS FOR THE PLAY FIELDS, THE SOCCER FIELDS, AGAIN, TO ENCOURAGE THE INTEGRATION OF THE SCHOOL OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS.
UM, AS I UNDERSTAND, AND CORRECT ME IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT AS WELL, THEIR CONCERN IS, UM, SECURITY FOR THE PERIMETER.
HOWEVER, THIS COULD SIMPLY BE A CONVENIENCE GATE THAT WAS PROVIDED RIGHT? TO THOSE NOT THAT IT, YOU KNOW, WAS GONNA DISRUPT THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THE SCHOOL AND THE DROP OFF COMPONENT.
IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? RIGHT.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE APPLICANT IS THE TWO THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE WOULD BE WITHIN RANGE OF SECURITY CAMERAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY WANT TO LIMIT THE POINTS OF ACCESS.
BUT YES, EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.
IT COULD BE FOR AFTER HOURS OR ONLY.
I MEAN, IT, THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A A DURING PEAK HOURS ACCESS POINT.
AND THEN RELATED TO THE THREE LANE DROP OFF, I KNOW THAT SOMEWHAT OF A, OF A NEW CONCEPT I THINK OF, OF, UM, HOW DISD AND THE SCHOOL IN PARTICULAR IS THINKING ABOUT THEIR DROP OFF FUNCTIONS.
UM, THEY, I UNDERSTAND IN WORKING WITH STAFF HAD, UH, INCLUDED THIS, UM, PEDESTRIAN REFUGE AREA, I'LL CALL IT ESSENTIALLY THE LONG ISLAND THAT DIVIDES THE DROP OFF LANES FROM THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION.
UH, IS IT CORRECT THAT THEY WERE EVALUATING AN INCREASE TO THAT ISLAND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER, UM, AS THEY'RE LOADING AND UNLOADING? THOSE ARE THE TWO LOCATIONS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE BUILDING.
I I THINK I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT ONE.
IT'S TO THEM, IT'S, I KNOW IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE ON THAT OR IF IT'S I'M, I DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN, UM, QUESTION ON THE SETBACKS.
UM, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK YOU, I WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE THE, UM, SIDE YARD SETBACK INCLUDED.
I KNEW YOU WOULD BE SO HAPPY WITH THAT IN THE LANGUAGE
UM, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE, UM, SINCE THE SETBACKS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE ARE ALL 25 FEET, TO SIMPLY NOTE THAT THAT IS THE REQUIRED SETBACK ON ALL FRONTAGES, UM, IN, IN THIS CASE, WITH IT BEING AN SUP AND THE, THE, THE BASE CODE AT THIS LOCATION REQUIRES A 25 FOOT SETBACK AT FRONT YARDS.
UM, AND THE BASE CODE ALSO DEFINING FOR THIS TYPE OF, UH, FOR THIS LOCATION AND THIS LOT CONFIGURATION, IT REQUIRES THAT THE SHORTER FRONTAGES WOULD BE CONSIDERED FRONT YARDS.
UM, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY A REPETITION OF BASE CODE FOR US TO ADD ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE TWO FRONTAGES.
SO WHAT WE'RE ADDING TO THE SUP CONDITIONS IS ANYTHING THAT DIFFERS FROM THE BASE CODE, UM, AND CAN ONLY BE MORE RESTRICTIVE, NOT LESS, BUT IT MIGHT SERVE AS A BELTS AND SUSPENDERS.
IF THERE WAS EVER A FUTURE CHANGE IN HOW, UM, SETBACKS WERE EVALUATED, HOW FRONTAGES WERE CONSIDERED.
I MEAN, I I, I CAN'T REALLY SAY BELTS AND SUSPENDERS.
UM, I CAN ONLY SAY THAT WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE SUP ORDINANCES AND, AND I'VE SENT ANYTHING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THAT'S A REPEAT OF BASE CODE, IT TYPICALLY GETS STRUCK FROM THE ORDINANCE JUST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REDUNDANT TO THE BASE CODE.
UM, REGARDING HEIGHT AND STORIES, UM, I KNOW THEY'VE INCLUDED THIS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS AN INSTITUTIONAL USE.
THEY ARE NOT RESTRICTED ON THEIR HEIGHT.
WAS THERE CONSIDERATION OF INCLUDING
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A MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND A NUMBER OF STORIES JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE CERTAINTY ON WHAT IS, UM, INTENDED FOR THE SITE? WELL, UH, THE SITE PLAN THEY HAVE LEFT THE NUMBER OF STORIES.YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A SINGLE STORY PORTION OF THE SCHOOL AND THEN A, A TWO STORY PORTION OF THE SCHOOL.
SO IF THEY WERE TO TRY TO COME UP FROM THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK JUST BASED ON THE SITE PLAN ALONE.
BUT IF THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CONDITIONS, IT WOULDN'T GIVE THIS BODY ANY FUTURE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY REVIEW WAS, IS THAT CORRECT? JUST THAT IT'S IN THE, JUST THAT IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE SITE PLAN WITH IT BEING LABELED AS A TWO STORY AND ONE STORY IS, AND THAT HAVING BEEN APPROVED, UM, NOTES FOR ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT IT, THAT THIS IS THE LIMIT TO WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN TERMS OF, OF NUMBER OF STORIES.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION.
WELL, TYPICALLY THE, UM, WRITTEN CONDITIONS CONTROL OVER THE SITE PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND IF THEY CHANGE THE SITE PLAN, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK, BUT AGAIN, IT JUST, IT REINFORCES WHAT THE INTENT WAS BY INCLUDING IT WITHIN THE CONDITION.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT, UM, WOULD BE A, A DEPARTURE FROM THE BASE CODE SINCE, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE HEIGHT IS NOT REALLY RESTRICTED HERE.
AND SO IF, IF THERE WERE A HEIGHT LIMIT IMPOSED, THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD THAT TO CONDITIONS.
UM, BECAUSE IT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE BASE CODE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, I BELIEVE THAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 42 FEET FOR THE STRUCTURE.
AND I WOULD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THEM TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THROUGH THEIR PLANS.
UM, AND SIMILAR TO THAT, I KNOW MANY TIMES WE INCLUDE, UM, LIGHT POLE HEIGHTS, UM, I KNOW THEY'RE EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT IT IS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UM, WHAT THOSE MAY BE, WAS THERE ANY STAFF CONSIDERATION ON, ON INCLUDING THAT AS A CONDITION? AGAIN, SIMILAR TO HOW WE'VE APPROACHED OTHER CASES, TYPICALLY, UM, STAFF RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LIGHT POLES WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING.
UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA BE TYPICALLY MUCH TALLER THAN THE STANDARD, THE BASE CODE WOULD LIMIT JUST ANY LIGHTING WITHIN A SETBACK WOULD LIMIT IT TO 20 FEET, OR IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PUSHED BACK BEHIND SETBACK LINES.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF CONSIDERED FOR THIS LOCATION AS THERE ARE NO, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING HERE.
MM-HMM,
UM, REGARDING SIGNS THAT ARE INCLUDED, THIS IS CONDITION 10 AND THE SUP MM-HMM.
UM, IS IT CORRECT, I MEAN, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO NOTE THIS AS A NON DISTRICT, AGAIN, DIRECTING DI YOU KNOW, TO, WHAT IS THE CONSIDERATION FOR THIS SINCE IT IS RESIDENTIAL? UM, IT'S, THIS, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IT, IT WOULD BE REDUNDANT TO THE BASE CODE BECAUSE IT, THIS LOCATION BY DEFINITION WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NON-BUSINESS DISTRICT SIGNS.
AND THEN RELATED TO THAT, UM, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF ADDRESSING ILLUMINATION OR WHEN ILLUMINATION MAY OCCUR FOR SIGNAGE? SINCE THAT'S AN ALLOWANCE AND BASE CODE, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
UM, BUT WE CAN, I MEAN, THAT WOULD AGAIN, BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED TO CONDITIONS IF WE WANT TO RESTRICT FURTHER AS FAR AS, LET'S SAY, UM, EXTERIOR ILLUMINATION OF SIGNS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN SIMILARLY ON SCREENING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME LOADING AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN THAT INCLUDE SCREENING.
HOWEVER, THOSE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE REQUIRED PER BASE CODE, UM, BECAUSE OF THEIR DISTANCE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, WAS THERE A CONSIDERATION OF STRENGTHENING THAT TO ENSURE THAT, UM, LOADING AND EQUIPMENT AREAS ARE FULLY SCREENED? UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO ADD THAT IF, IF THE BODY DECIDES THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SCREENING OF THOSE AREAS IS GONNA OCCUR REGARDLESS OF THE, THE BEING BEYOND THE DISTANCE THRESHOLD.
I KNOW WE'VE DONE THAT IN SOME PDS BEFORE WHERE IT WAS JUST OUTSIDE THE DISTANCE AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STILL WAS SCREENED.
WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT CONDITION.
AND THEN, SORRY, MY, MY LIST IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER, SO I'M GONNA GO THAT'S OKAY.
GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO DRY AISLES NOW.
SO IN, AS STAFF WAS EVALUATING THE WIDTH OF THE DRY AISLES AND THEIR LOCATION, UM, I KNOW IF WE START ON THE NORTH AT, UH, MILL MAR, I THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY MAINTAINING THERE'S AN EXISTING, UM, TWO DRIVE ACCESS POINTS, IF YOU WILL.
BUT TO SPEAK TO THE IDEA OF TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND USE BY THE COMMUNITY, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF SPEAKING TO CHANGING THE MATERIAL AND FINISH AT THOSE CROSSWALKS? AGAIN, JUST TO EMPHASIZE THE PEDESTRIAN NATURE OF THOSE CROSSINGS.
SO WE DIDN'T, UM, WE DIDN'T, UH,
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RECOMMEND OR NECESSARILY PROPOSE THAT TO THEM.WHAT, WHAT WE WERE MAINLY CONCERNED WITH IS THE DESIGN OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS BEING DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, VEHICLES TO HAVE TO REDUCE SPEED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHEN CROSSING THAT POINT.
THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE 15 FOOT RADIUS AND THE NARROWER DRIVE WIDTH.
AND I, I'M, AGAIN, THAT'S PROBABLY A, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
MM-HMM,
SO, SO LET ME, LET ME ADDRESS THAT THIS WAY.
UM, LET ME TALK ABOUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIGHTING.
YOU SAID SOUND, I THOUGHT YOU SAID LIGHTING.
WELL, SOUND AND LIGHTING WAS ADDRESSABLE.
UM, NO, NO, JUST AS THE QUICK ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, JUST BECAUSE IT IS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THERE'S NOT PROPOSED TO BE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD GO ADD AT PERMITTING BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, IT'S AN OPTIONAL FEATURE.
SO IN ORDER TO HAVE THE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING HERE, THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE APPROVAL AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE LISTED IN THE CONDITIONS OR SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN THAT DIFFERS FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A CODE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE ILLUMINATION FOR PARKING AT LOCATIONS THAT WOULD BE USED AFTER DARK.
SO THEY COULD GO TO PERMITTING AND ADD PARKING LOT LIGHTING WITHOUT HAVING IT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN HERE BECAUSE IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY CAN'T GO DO THE SAME THING FOR OPTIONAL FEATURES LIKE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING.
SO GIVEN IT WAS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THERE'S NONE PROPOSED, WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT WITH THEM.
AND THEN REGARDING SOUND, THE SAME THING I THINK WOULD BE THE ANSWER.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE SOUND WOULD BE COMING FROM HERE.
IF THERE WAS ANY OUTDOOR NOTICE, IF THERE WERE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I COULD THINK OF A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND THAT COULD START AS EARLY AS WELL AS EARLY AS THEY WANTED TO IF THERE WAS NO PRESCRIPTIONS.
AND I KNOW MANY TIMES WE INCLUDE A, NOT BEFORE 7:00 AM NOT AFTER 7:00 PM OR 8:00 PM AS AN EXAMPLE OF TWO RECENT CONDITIONS WE'VE INCLUDED.
SO, SO I GUESS THE REASON THAT I WENT STRAIGHT TO LIGHTING WHEN YOU MENTIONED SOUND IS THAT, UM, ANY OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD OCCUR AT THE LOCATION WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS.
I MEAN, I GUESS UNLESS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE SOME SPOOKY HALLOWEEN SOMETHING AFTER DARK THING, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT'S, THERE'S NO, NO, THERE'S NO LIGHTING THAT'S GONNA ILLUMINATE THE FIELDS TO MAKE THEM USABLE AFTER DARK OR BEFORE LIGHT.
SO IT JUST REALLY DIDN'T COME INTO THE CONVERSATION.
BECAUSE YOU'RE AN EXPERT AT WHAT YOU DO.
UM, AND THIS IS RELATED TO THIS CASE, BUT IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW HOW I HATE THE, THE, THE OUTDOOR FACILITIES AND I KNOW THESE WILL BE GONE.
THE HOPE IS THAT THESE WILL BE GONE ONCE THIS PLACE IS REBUILT.
IS THERE EVER A WAY THAT FUTURE FUTURE, RIGHT, THAT WE CAN RESTRICT THESE THINGS FROM BEING ADDED TO FIELDS OR BE REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE US TO GET THEM ADDED TO THE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS? YEAH.
BUT YOU CAN SLEEP ON THAT, JENNIFER, AND COME BACK TO ME.
LET ME, LET ME LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES THERE ARE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS THAT, THAT I NEED TO, I NEED TO CHECK ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SOMETIMES TEMPORARY BUILDINGS ARE ALLOWED TO COME ONTO A CAMPUS, UM, WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING APPROVED AND SHOWN ON SITE PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
SO I, I DON'T WANT TO LIE TO YOU.
ANOTHER QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
I, I, I CAN KEEP GOING, BUT I, I BELIEVE MOST OF THEM WILL BE FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT.
ONE THING I WILL SAY IS I, ON BEHALF OF STAFF, I SPEAK FOR ALL OF US.
WHEN I SAY THANK YOU FOR SENDING THINGS AHEAD OF TIME, IT VERY, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? WE WILL KEEP MOVING THEN.
UM, THANK YOU MS. AGAR, WE'RE READY
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FOR YOU.OLGA, GO TO CASE NUMBER 21 COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND PICK UP THE, UH, OTHER CASES.
UH, I AM NOT SURE HOW TO USE THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY.
SO DO I JUST GRAB THE COMPUTER OVER THERE? UM, SORRY, I JUST DON'T SEE.
DO YOU HAVE IT ON THE FOLDER? DO YOU HAVE IT HERE? THE WHAT? THIS YOUR ONE ON HERE.
UH, WHAT IS IT? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
HOW COME IT ISN'T THERE? I SENT IT TO YOU GUYS.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR, DO YOU HAVE YOUR LAPTOP? GO AHEAD AND BRING IT.
UM, Z 180 9 3 41 IS FLORIDA FARMS AUTHORIZED HEARING? IT'S NOT
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COMMISSIONERS.I DID NOT WANNA MAKE AN ENTRANCE, BUT SOMETIMES TECHNICAL ISSUES OVERPOWER.
SO FLORAL FARMS IS AN AUTHORIZED HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE AND GOALS OF THE, OF THE, UH, AUTHORIZED HEARING IS TO AMEND THE ZONING IN THE AREA TO ADDRESS LAND USING COMPATIBILITIES AND COMPATIBILITIES SUCH AS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING, AB INDUSTRIAL USE RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND THE GOALS ARE TO TRANSITION SUNNING DISTRICTS, IR AND IM TO LIGHTER INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IN THIS CASES LI THAT WILL HAVE A LESSER IMPACT ON SURROUNDING USES AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENT IN GENERAL AND TO PROVIDE PROTECTION TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY USES AND THE ENVIRONMENT IN GENERAL.
THIS IS THE LOCATION SOUTH, SOUTH DALLAS, UM, EAST OF I 45.
THE AREA IS GENERALLY BOUNDED BY RIVER OAKS ROAD TO THE NORTH UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD TO THE EAST.
MCCOMBS BLUFF TO THE SOUTH, AND SHE'S FREEWAY TO THE WEST.
THE AREA OF REQUEST IS F THE AREA OF, UM, STUDY IS 522 ACRES POINT 18.
IN AUGUST 19TH, 2000 AND, UH, AUGUST 19TH, 2019, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE AUTHORIZED HEARING FOR, I HAVE A LITTLE THING HERE ON MY SCREEN THAT I DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT.
UM, SO IT WAS DETERMINED TO, UM, AUTHORIZE A HEARING IN AUGUST 19TH, 2019.
FOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS WERE HELD IN THE AREA, ONE IN SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2022 AND THREE ON JANUARY 17, APRIL 11 AND SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2023.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, STAFF WAS, UM, HAVING SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AREA.
THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AREA CONSIST ON A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES, INDUSTRIAL USES, COMMERCIAL USES, VACANT STRUCTURES, AND UNDEVELOPED LAND.
THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE AREA ARE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITIES, SERVICES, INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH, INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, WITH DEAL RESTRICTIONS ON A PROPERTY.
I AM WITH SUP NUMBER 7 73 ON A PROPERTY AND PD NUMBER 7 78.
THE SINGLE FAMILY USES WITHIN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AREA WERE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO 1956 OPEN ANNEX SECTION.
THE LAND WAS ZONE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
SEVERAL USES INCLUDING PROPERTY WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES BECAME NON-CONFORMING IN 1980S WHEN THE CITY DALLAS TRANSITION FROM CHAPTER 51 TO CHAPTER 51 8, THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE NON-CONFORMING USES ARE GRANTED PROVISIONS TO ALLOW REMODELING EXPANSION AND THE RIGHT TO REBUILD IF DESTROYED BY NATURAL DISASTERS OR AN INTENTIONAL ACT.
HOWEVER, IF THE RIGHT TO OPERATE, THE RIGHT TO OPERATE AN NONCONFORMING USE CEASES IF THE NONCONFORMING USES DISCONTINUED FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS OR MORE WHAT THE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS WANT.
THEY WANT US TOONE SINGLE FAMILY USES TO PROPERTY, TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR EXISTING RESIDENCES TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE AREA FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES TO EXPLORE TRAIL OPPORTUNITIES FOR BIKING AND WALKING.
THEY WANT US TO KEEP DUST FROM COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS, FROM AFFECTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
THEY WANT US TO EXPAND COMMERCIAL ZONING TO ATTRACT GAS STATIONS AND NEIGHBOR SERVICE RETAIL LIKE GROCERY STORES AND RESTAURANTS.
THEY WANT US TO MAINTAIN INDUSTRIAL ZONING ON PROPERTIES WITH EXISTING INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND, AND UNDEVELOPED LAND.
THEY WANT US TO ALLOW PROPERTIES TO KEEP EXISTING SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.
THEY DO NOT WANT US TO DOWN SOME PROPERTIES TO AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS THE LOCATION ON RIVER OAKS ROAD.
THIS IS ON BIRD LANE, ON RHODES LANE, ON SUN ROAD, ON JOY ROAD, ON BERMUDA, ON MCCOMB BLUFF ON SIMPSON STEWART ROAD.
ON SIMPSON STEWART ROAD ON SIMPSON STEWART ROAD TO THE EAST OF CENTRAL EXPRESS WAY ON SOUTH CENTRAL
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EXPRESS WAY, ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESS WAY, ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESS WAY.THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF SIMPSON STEWART AND SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESS WAY.
THE FIRST PICTURE IS IN SOUTHWEST CORNER.
THE SECOND PICTURE IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
MORE PICTURES ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESS.
WAY SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND THE SURROUNDING USES ARE TO THE NORTH.
YOU GET TO SEE DOWNTOWN AND TODAY EAST THE RAIL, THE RAIL RAILROAD WAY ON EAST OF, UH, SIMPSON STEWART.
THIS IS WHAT WE CAN SEE ON SOUTH ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND WEST OF SIMPSON STEWART ROAD.
SO THE SITE HAS THE DIFFERENCE ON IT USES AS AGRICULTURAL COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH IN INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING WITH SP 7 73 INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING WITH DR.
AND, UM, PD 7 78 USES OUR SINGLE FAMILY AUTO RELATED USE COMMERCIAL AND DEVELOPED THE VACANT INSTITUTIONAL OUTSIDE STORAGE TO NAME A FEW.
ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH PD FIVE 40 WITH A CP 1382.
THE JOBA PRESERVE, DALLAS COUNTY NATURE PRESERVE IS LOCATED IN THAT AREA.
THERE IS A LAWN AND BUSINESSES, SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND, SOME RECYCLING CENTER AND OUTSIDE STORAGE.
ON THE NORTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE OUTSIDE INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE TRUCK SERVICES AND THE JULIUS SHIPS FREEWAY.
THE SOUTHEAST AREA HAS INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING AND SUP 2335 INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING.
WITH SUP 7 0 5, WE HAVE A DEVELOPED LAND NURSERY, MBL LANDFILL OUTSIDE STORAGE RESTAURANT AND A RECYCLING CENTER.
THE SOUTHWEST AREA IS ZONE AGRICULTURAL AND CS.
AND THE PROPERTY, UH, THE PROPERTIES ARE UNDEVELOPED SHIP, VACANT, UH, FREEWAY VACANT LEAD AND OUTSIDE STORAGE.
THIS MAP IS PRETTY HARD TO SEE.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY PARTICULAR, UM, WE HAVE EXISTING ZONING AND WE ARE PROPOSING FOR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH.
WE'RE PROPOSING GOING TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES COMMUNITY RETAIL, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS, AND AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 7, 7 8 STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
STAFF STRIVE TO STRIKE A BALANCE THAT RESPECTS BOTH THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS WITH HOPE THAT THEY CAN COEXIST.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS TO RECENT EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES ARE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WHICH WILL AFFORD PROTECTIONS THAT INCLUDE, BUT THEY'RE NOT LIMITED TO ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL BUFFER LANDSCAPING SCREENING, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEW RPS TRIGGERED BY NEW RES NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING ANY ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA TO RESORT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND PROPERTIES IN THE NORTH.
AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY WHERE THE EXISTING BUSINESS ARE CONCENTRATED.
LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OFFICE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL USES IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK PARK SETTING.
LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS DESIGNED TO BE IN AREAS APPROPRIATE FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MAY BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
SO IT'S A MUCH LIGHTER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
STAFF SEES THIS, UH, DISTRICT OF COMPROMISE TO AMEND PD 7 78.
SO WE ARE, THE PURPOSE IS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY TO COMPAR USE USES AND PROTECTION OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT OF A SITE AND REAR YARDS FROM 2020 FEET TO 30 FEET TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BUFFER FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AND TO THE ADJACENT AND THE, FOR THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES TO REQUIRE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEW.
FOR SOME USES TO REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW FOR SOME USES TO REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR CERTAIN USES TO REQUIRE SCREENING FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE AND TO LIMIT OUTSIDE STORAGE TO 40 FEET IN HEIGHT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO TERMINATE EXISTING DE RESTRICTIONS.
THE PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS AT
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THE MOMENT, THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY VACANT.THE DEAL RESTRICTIONS ALLOWED FOR MOST USES IN THE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT.
THE DE RESTRICTIONS LIMIT INDUSTRIAL INSIGHT, POTENTIALLY INCOMP COMPARABLE INCOMPATIBLE USES TO WOOD PROCESSING ALLOWED ONLY BY SUP.
THE PROPOSED ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH DOES NOT NEED THE, THE CURRENT DEED RESTRICTIONS.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO AMEND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A METAL PROCESSING FACILITY.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENT RELEASE ON IM THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL PROVIDE AN EXPIRATION DATE OF FIVE YEARS FROM THE TIME OF THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO THE PROPERTY TO LI, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE USE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED IS TO HAVE TRAILS IN THE AREA AND OPTIONS TO WALK.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THAT, THE FILE MILE CREEK GREEN BELL CORRIDOR WILL BE CONSTRUCTING IN THE FUTURE.
SIMPSON STU SIMPSON, STEWART STEWART TRAIL, CONNECTING IT FROM THE TRINITY RIVER FOREST TRAIL WITH THE NEWTON CREEK TRAIL.
ANY QUESTIONS? WE'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO BE NON-CONFORMING ONCE THE LI IS OVERLAID IN THAT, IN, IN THE AREA WILL OR WILL THERE BE ANY PROPERTIES THAT BECOME NON-CONFORMING BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? YEAH, WE WILL HAVE, UM, I WILL ANSWER IN TERMS OF ZONING AND USES, BECAUSE I EXACTLY DON'T KNOW THE PROPERTIES SINCE SEVERAL DON'T HAVE, UM, ENOUGH INFORMATION OR CLEAR INFORMATION.
SO PROPERTIES THAT ARE INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH AND INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING THAT ARE DOING INSIDE INDUSTRIAL, INSIDE WITH POTENTIAL INCOMPARABLE USES, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO BE THERE.
PROPERTIES THAT HAVE INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE POTENTIAL AND COMPATIBLE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE THERE.
SO ANY USERS LISTED UNDER THOSE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE METAL SALVAGE FACILITY, MINING, GAS PIPELINE, COMPRESSOR STATIONS THAT HAVE, UM, OUTSIDE, UM, SORRY, MUNICIPAL WASTE IN INID.
ORGANIC COMPOSED RECYCLING FACILITY OUTSIDE SALVATION RECLAMATION, PATHOLOGICAL WASTE, INSINUATION CONVALESCENT AND NURSING HOMES, HOSPICE CARE AND RELATED INSTITUTIONS, CONVAL CONVENT, MONASTERY RE, UH, FOREST FORESTER, HOME LIBRARY, ART GALLERY OR MUSEUM HAZARD, THOSE MAN WASTE MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL USE.
ANY, UM, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE CON CONVENIENCE STORE? YOU HAVE TO ANSWER.
THAT'S MORE SPECIFIC IF YOU WANT US TO JUMP IN.
SO YOU, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? JUST THE SPECIFIC, WHAT'S BASED, BASED ON COS WHAT'S BECOMING
ARE YOU ASKING ME TO BASED ON COS YEAH.
UM, I'M, I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, WILL THE CHANGE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TAKE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY IN OPERATION WITH A VALID CO OKAY, I GOTCHA.
AND MAKE IT NON-CONFORMING ANY PROPERTY THAT IS, IS OPERATING WITHOUT A VALID CO WILL BECOME NON-CONFORMING.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A CO OH, IT'S ILLEGAL
SO ANY PROPERTY THAT HAS A VALID CO BUT THE USE IS NOT PRE
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PERMITTED WILL BECOME A NON-CONFORMING USE.BUT ANY PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A SEAL WILL BECOME ILLEGAL.
UM, NO, I, LET ME SEE IF I CAN REWORD IT SO THAT, ARE THERE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND IN THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL? WILL THERE BE PROPERTIES THAT DO HAVE VALID COS WILL THEY BE, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE VALID COS WILL BECOME NON-CONFORMING WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION? NOT SPECIFIC ONES.
SO CHANGING ANY IM TO LI WILL NOT MAKE, MAKE ANY PROPERTIES ON THE GROUND WITH VALID COS NON-CONFORMING.
SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? MAKING LI ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT THE REC THIS RECOMMENDATION CHANGES FROM IM TO LI WILL THERE BE ANY VALID OPERATING BUSINESSES TO BECOME NON-CONFORMING? YES.
IF THEY HAVE A PROPER CO, THEY WILL, UM, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? YES.
UH, WE, I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING ANYTHING NON-CONFORMING.
CAN YOU GO TO PAGE SEVEN AND EIGHT ON YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION? YES MA'AM.
WHEN YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE RE THE PROTECTION OF RESIDENTIAL USE FROM THE AREAS THAT, THAT HAVE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES AND, AND YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING TO KEEP THE DUST FROM, FROM AWAY, FROM THOSE RES, THOSE AFFECTED RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOUR RE THE RECOMMENDATION, IF I'M CORRECT, IS TO INCREASE THE BUFFER FROM 20 FEET TO 30 FEET.
CORRECT? THAT IS ONLY FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 7 78.
IN THAT PD, AND I KNOW YOU HAD TO OPEN UP THE PD AND, AND REALLY LOOK AT IT.
IN THAT PD IS, DOES THE, THE PD ONLY PROVIDE ARTICLE 10 PROTECTION OR IS THE LANDSCAPING, UM, MORE INTENSE THAN ARTICLE 10? UM, THEY, THEY HAVE LANDSCAPE PROVISIONS, BUT THEY SAY THAT ACCEPTANCE PROVIDED IN THIS PARAGRAPH THEY ARE TO COMPLY AS FOLLOWS.
FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL, UM, FIRST ARIA A, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PD, UM, A TREE PRESERVATION ZONE MUST BE PROVIDED ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY OF THE BARRING ON I 45, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON I 45.
SO IF WE DON'T, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT CALIPER AND, AND EVERGREEN TREES, BUT IT DOESN'T IN, IN THE PORT IN THE LOCATION AS SHOWN IN THE PLAN, IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND BASICALLY IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING EXCLUSIVELY WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
SO PD 7 78 DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING OR ANY LANDSCAPE PROVISIONS THAT, THAT ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH INCREASING THE BUFFER FROM 30, FROM 20 FEET TO 30 FEET.
IT JUST SAYS THAT THERE IS JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT, WHAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE.
IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING, THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ARTICLE 10 REQUIREMENTS.
SO PD PD 7 78 ONLY PROVIDES FOR ARTICLE 10, CORRECT? NO, MA'AM.
IT PROVIDES CERTAIN SPECIFIC, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN AREAS.
BUT THEN IF IT IS NOT THAT, IF THAT DOESN'T APPLY, THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO GO TO ARTICLE 10 AND APPLY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ARTICLE 10, LIKE A BUFFER LANDSCAPING TREES, UH, THE 10 FOOD, UM, OR, UM, I UNDERSTAND TEMPLATE BUFFER FOR LANDSCAPING ITEMS LIKE THAT.
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OKAY.COMM COMMISSIONER, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ADDING ONTO THAT.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
UH, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY PROVISION ON LANDSCAPING BEYOND ARTICLE 10, BUT WHEN THE USE IS OUTSIDE STORAGE, WE'VE KIND OF CALLED OUT SPECIFIC PROVISIONS THAT ARE GONNA COME INTO PLAY IN TERMS OF SCREENING, UH, WHEN THEY'RE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USE.
BUT THE DEFAULT IS TO GO WITH THE PROVISION OF ARTICLE 10 UNLESS THERE'S AN OUTSIDE STORAGE THAT IS ADJACENT TO OUR RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, I WANNA GO OVER TO, I KNOW DUST CONSIDERATIONS ARE A CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU, YOU, IN WHICH YOU SAID IS YOU WANTED TO KEEP DUST FROM COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS FROM AFFECTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THIS, WHAT DOES THIS RECOMMENDATION OFFER FOR THAT PROTECTION? TECHNICALLY WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANYTHING SPECIFIC BECAUSE A LOT OF THE NON-CONFORMING USES OR A LOT OF THE EXISTING USES, THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG THAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, THE PAVEMENT FOR THE SURFACE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY PARK, UM, ITEMS LIKE THAT, IF THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED BEFORE, BASICALLY THE CEO KEEPS BEING APPROVED UNLESS THEY COME UP WITH A BUILDING OR A STRUCTURE.
SO COMMISSIONER AGAIN, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING DESIGNATION FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, WE MAY DELIBERATE AND INTENTIONAL ATTEMPT TO ENSURE THAT THE USES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PRIMARILY AGRICULTURAL.
SO IF THERE ARE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT WERE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USE, THAT MAY BE THE OPERATION WOULD RESULT IN, UH, IN DS OR AIR POLLUTION IS SIGNIFICANT, THEN WE, WE INTENTIONALLY RESOLVE THOSE TO ARGUES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PD IN WHICH WE INCREASE THE BUFFER FROM 20 FEET TO 30 FEET.
BUT FOR THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES, WE'VE MADE SURE THAT THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY AG USE IN ALMOST EVERY INSTANCE.
SO THERE, THERE IS NO PROVISIONS WITHIN THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT ALLOWS OR THAT RECOMMENDS OR, OR REQUIRES, UM, ANYONE WHO COMES IN NEW FROM ANY TYPE OF MEDIATION OF THE, THE KICKING UP OF DUST OR ANY OF, UH, ANY KIND OF SEDIMENTS IN, IN HOW THEY DO BUSINESS.
IF ANYTHING IS NEW, THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH SURFACE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LAND AND THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE, UH, CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR STORM WATER THAT WE HAVE FOR IRRIGATION.
AND THEY, WE HAVE, UM, BASICALLY THE LANDSCAPING TOO.
THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPES.
SO ALL THESE ITEMS TOGETHER WILL HAVE, UH, PROTECTION FOR REDUCTION OF PROTECTION OF THE AREA AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF DUST IF IT IS NEW COMING IN.
COMMISSIONER, MAY I ADDRESS THE QUESTION? UM, IN, IN TERMS OF EXISTING USES, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
PROTECTION FROM EXISTING USES THAT ARE CREATING DUST.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT OUR CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE A ONE REMEDY TO THAT, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THE USES THAT ARE OPERATING, THE EXISTING USES ARE OPERATING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR CO AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES.
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF THE USES RE HAVE REQUIREMENTS OUTSIDE OF ZONING, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP WATER TO WATER AND TO DO THINGS THAT HELP CONTAIN AND ELIMINATE DUST AND OTHER AIR QUALITY ISSUES.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT ALSO THERE IS SOME AIR QUALITY, UM, MONITORING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AREA RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE RESULTS OF THAT, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER POTENTIAL REMEDY IS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS BASED ON WHAT THE, THE OUTCOME AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THAT ARE.
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UM, AND, AND I DON'T, LET ME SEE HOW I WANNA DO THIS ONE.WE, WE HAVE ALL SEEN, UM, LETTERS FROM THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY HAVE AGREED THAT, THAT THIS IS A HAPPY MEDIUM EXCEPT FOR THE REQUEST TO, ALONG THE TRINITY TO CHANGE LI TO AA.
CAN YOU PLEASE ADDRESS WHY THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO, TO SOFTEN LI MORE OR WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO SOFTEN LI REC, UH, PROPERTIES WITH RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY THAT DOES NOT WARRANT THE, THE RECOMMENDATION, THE RE THE CHANGE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR? RIGHT.
SO, UM, AS OLGA MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, ALLY IS IS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED TO BE A KIND OF A COMPROMISE.
WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES CONCERNS AND DESIRES OF, OF BOTH, BOTH SIDES
UM, BUT ONE THING THAT WILL, THAT WILL HELP IS BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES AND ZONING THOSE AS OUR DISTRICTS.
THERE ARE BUILT IN PROTECTIONS.
SO, UM, OUR CODE DOES, DOES SPECIFY THAT ALLY IS, YOU KNOW, THE LEAST INTENSE DISTRICT, UM, OF THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS AND IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO, UM, THEY'RE MOSTLY INSIDE USES.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF HEAVY MANUFACTURING OR INTENSE OUTSIDE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN ALLY, BUT BY ZONING PROPERTIES WITH SINGLE FAMILY USES AS SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, THERE ARE PROTECTIONS, UM, THAT ARE THEN TRIGGERED BY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN ALLY.
SOME USES REQUIRE A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEW, SO THAT'S DONE AT STAFF LEVEL AT TIME OF PERMITTING, BUT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD CONDITIONS THAT HELP ENSURE COMPATIBILITY.
UM, LI ALSO REQUIRES SUVS OR DIRS FOR SOME USES.
SO AGAIN, BY ACKNOWLEDGING AND APPROPRIATELY ZONING THE SINGLE FAMILY USES, THEY WILL HAVE BUILT IN PROTECTION THAT WAY THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING AFFORDED RIGHT NOW WITH EVERYTHING BEING THE SAME, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT, THOSE PROTECTIONS AREN'T BUILT IN.
WELL THE EVERY LETTER WE GOT ASKED THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO AA AND YOU'RE SAYING OUR, UM, TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU'RE NOT GIVEN ANY DESIGNATE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION.
WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR JUST RESIDENTIAL.
WHEN YOU SAY RESIDENTIAL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? RIGHT, SORRY.
SO A A AGRICULTURAL IS ACTUALLY CLASSIFIED UNDER USES AS A, AS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
BUT WHEN I SAY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, I'M REFERRING TO OUR, OUR DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS SUCH AS OUR 7.5 A, OUR 10 A, RIGHT.
AND SO THERE ARE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BUILT IN BY, UM, IDENTIFYING THOSE PROPERTIES AND ZONING IN IN THAT WAY.
SO THOSE, THE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AGRICULTURAL TO, TO, FOR, FOR THIS FROM BEING CHANGED FROM ALLY TO AGRICULTURAL, AND WE KNOW AGRICULTURE IS ALSO JUST A PLACEHOLDER FOR ANY TYPE OF ZONING, WOULD IT BE A BETTER RECOMMENDATION THEN TO CHANGE IT TO LIKE AN R SEVEN FIVE OPPOSED TO AGRICULTURAL? YEAH, SO COMMISSIONER, I THINK ONE OF THE, THE POINTS THAT WAS EMPHASIZED IN THE CASE REPORT WAS THAT STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WE RECOMMENDED THOSE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
SO CHANGING, UH, AND DEVELOP LAND INTO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UH, WHEN WE DON'T WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THE, IN THE AREA BECAUSE IT IS A FLOODPLAIN, UH, WOULDN'T
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MAKE SENSE.SO WE JUST KIND OF PROVIDE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT FOR EXISTING HOMES, BUT I THINK IT IS NOT THE INTENT OR STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CREATE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO ENCOURAGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS R 7.5 OR R FIVE A.
SO, AND I GET IT, I I I DO GET IT THAT, SO WITH THIS BEING ALL FLOODPLAIN AREA, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IF THERE IS ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT OUT OF FLOODPLAIN IN ORDER TO DEVELOP IT.
SO ARE YOU, SO ARE WE SAYING THAT CHANGING IT TOI DOESN'T, IS GIVES THE PROTECTIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER BECAUSE IT'S FLOODPLAIN AREA AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT OUT OF FLOODPLAIN TO DEVELOP IT ANYHOW? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
UH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS CHANGING IT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT SUCH AS OUR NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL, IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN.
AND BECAUSE IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN, ARE YOU, ARE WE SAYING THAT IT IN ORDER TO DEVELOP IT? AND THAT'S A QUESTION.
SO IT'S NOT A STATEMENT IT TO, IN ORDER TO DEVELOP IT, IT WOULD, THE, ANY SITE WOULD HAVE TO BE LIFTED UP OUT OF A FLOODPLAIN TO DEVELOP AND TO BUILD ON.
SO WHETHER IT'S AA RESIDENTIAL, LICS, IT, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH BRINGING IT OUT OF, OUT OF A FLOOD PLAIN STATE IN ORDER TO BUILD THAT.
UH, THE, THE FLOOD PLAIN DEVELOPMENT REGULATION WOULD STILL APPLY REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING.
THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL NEED TO, AND STAFF DID MEET WITH, UH, TRINITY WATERSHED DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND THE FLOOD PLAN TEAM TO DISCUSS THIS.
SO THEY KIND OF MADE IT CLEAR TO US THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT, ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES WITHIN THAT AREA WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEIR REVIEW PROCESS AND WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE FLOOD PLAIN DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AND SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO I THINK THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION.
UM, SO WE DID, WHEN, WHEN RECOMMENDING AG AGRICULTURAL, UM, THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WE STARTED WITH UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES THAT CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, DON'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND KEEPING THEM THAT WAY FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS.
UM, AND THEN WITH THE LI WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO APPLY THAT TO PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AND OPERATING BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY EXIST
UM, AND WE WERE VERY CAREFUL AND, UM, INTENTIONAL WHEN RECOMMENDING A AGRICULTURE AGRICUL THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER CHER.
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO, UM, FORMULATING A PD FOR THE SECTION OF THIS THAT IS, UM, WHERE YOU CHOSE STRAIGHT ZONING ALLY? WE DID SET OUT TO SEE IF WE COULD MEET OUR OBJECTIVES WITH BASE ZONING.
AND UH, FORTUNATELY ENOUGH, WE, WE REALIZED THAT WE COULD STRIKE THAT BALANCE AND MEET OUR ZONING OBJECTIVE WITHOUT NECESSARILY REQUIRING A PD.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY AS A PRACTICE TRY TO AVOID IF WE CAN MEET, UH, THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WE WANT WITHOUT REQUIRING A PD.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE THEORY, BUT I, I'VE ACTUALLY LIVED THIS IN REALITY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, UH, YOU KNOW, 20, WHAT, ONE YEARS AGO NOW, WHEN WE WERE REZONING, WE WERE DOING AN AUTHORIZED HEARING TO REZONE THE WEST COMMERCE FORT WORTH AVENUE AREA.
YOU KNOW, THE ZONING STARTING FROM THE RIVER GOING WEST WAS I AM IR CS, YOU KNOW, ON AND ON.
AND AT THAT TIME, AND WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN MEETINGS AS WELL, THERE REALLY ISN'T A STRAIGHT ZONING CATEGORY THAT EFFECTIVELY WILL TRANSITION AN AREA AWAY FROM AN INDUSTRIAL PAST BECAUSE IR I GUESS I'LL MAKE THIS A QUESTION, UH,
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UM, ELIMINATES THE POSSIBILITY OF COMING IN WITH NEW, THE MOST EXTREME OUTSIDE INCOMPATIBLE USES AND THE INSIDE INCOMPATIBLE USES, THERE ARE STILL LOTS AND LOTS.I MEAN, THERE, THERE, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE USE CHARTS THERE, THERE'S REALLY NOT VERY MUCH DIFFERENCE.
IT STILL ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, FREIGHT TERMINALS AND HEAVY MACHINERY EQUIPMENT AND MACHINERY AND COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING AND OUTSIDE STORAGE AND, UH, WAREHOUSES, UH, ALL OF THESE USES CAUSE HAVE THE POTENTIAL AND A LOT OF TIMES THE REALITY OF CAUSING EXTREME INCOMPATIBILITIES WITH ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL THAT THE DIESEL PARTICULATE AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGING OF, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND I APPRECIATE THE ADDITION OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT EXTRA BUFFER HERE AND THERE, BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF, OF, YOU KNOW, DIESEL TRUCKS AND WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A REPUTATION AND A PRECONCEIVED IDEA ABOUT THE NATURE OF A PLACE AND THEN YOU'RE CONTINUE TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, THROUGH STRAIGHT ZONING THE AGGREGATION OF THESE LOWER END USES, WHILE I I DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I CAN SEE THIS AS A BABY STEP? IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT MAYBE WE DIDN'T QUITE GET THERE.
SO IS THERE ANY CONCERN THAT WE ARE STILL CONSIGNING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO A, A PRETTY INDUSTRIAL FUTURE? BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THIS WITH COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO PLACE TYPES, INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES, THEY WERE COMING UP WITH THE INDUSTRIAL HUB AND THE FLEX INDUSTRIAL, AND THEY SAID, WELL, IMMEDIATELY THEY GOT FEEDBACK THAT NO ONE WANTED FLEX INDUSTRIAL.
'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT INDUSTRIAL NAME ANYWHERE NEAR THEM.
SO THEY WENT TO FLEX COMMERCIAL.
BUT THE REALITY OF WHAT WAS ALLOWED THERE, IT REALLY DIDN'T CHANGE THAT MUCH.
YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, WHETHER WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE PLACE TYPE RIGHT NOW OR THE, THE, UM, UH, STRAIGHT ZONING TO, TO AFFECT THAT TRANSFORMATION.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING AFTER ALL THAT IS, IS THERE ANY CONCERN THAT LI IS JUST NOT GETTING US AS FAR AS WE NEEDED TO GO, GIVEN THAT AUTHORIZED HEARINGS ARE SO RARE FOR AN AREA THAT COULD TAKE 20, 30 YEARS FOR THIS TO COME BACK, ARE WE CONSIGNING THEM TO A FUTURE THAT IS STILL HEAVILY INDUSTRIAL AND IS STILL GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THE PARTICULATES, THE DUST, THE DIESEL THAT ARE NOT VERY COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL? SO I THINK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS A SOFTENING OF THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY MANUFACTURING.
LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IN THE PRESENTATION THERE'S NO PERFECT SOLUTION.
AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT COMES, WE'VE KIND OF BUILT IN SOME GUARDRAILS FOR THEM TO COME BACK.
AND MAYBE IF WORK WITH THOSE REVIEWS, WHETHER THEY ARE S OR DIR OR RAR, UH, THAT IF THERE ARE ALSO OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION THAT COULD LEAD INTO A PD, NOTHING PRECLUDES THEM FROM ASKING FOR A PD FOR SPECIFIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I THINK, UH, TO KIND OF STRIKE A BALANCE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE CONDITION BECAUSE THE GOAL IS WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO TRANSITION INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
WE ARE NOT MAKING CONDITIONS FOR EXISTING USES.
WE ARE HOPING THAT THIS AREA WILL TRANSITION TO SOME SOFTER USES THAT ARE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT $4 IS RECOMMENDING FOR THE AREA.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND THERE'S NO EASY SOLUTION AND BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT COME, WE DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT THEM TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT THE USE THAT MIGHT COME IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO BE A LITTLE BIT GENERAL, BUT ALSO SOFTER IN WHAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING THERE.
I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE EXPERIENCE I HAD WITH TRANSITIONING WEST COMMERCE AND FORT WORTH AVENUE, AND I THINK ANYONE WHO'S BEEN IN THAT AREA IN THE LAST 20 YEARS REALIZES IT'S CHANGED QUITE A BIT.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE HAD TO ACCEPT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO GIVE PEOPLE A BEDROCK OF CERTAINTY IF THEY WANNA COME IN AND DO BETTER, IS THAT THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE SOME HEAVY, UM, INCOMPATIBLE USE NEXT TO THEM.
SO, I MEAN, TO ME IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A, A PRETTY SIMPLE ADJUSTMENT.
YOU COULD HAVE DONE A PD WITH EVEN AN ALLY BASE, BUT ELIMINATE SOME OF THE MORE JUST A, JUST A HANDFUL OF THE MORE INTRUSIVE USES SO THAT NEW ONES DON'T COME IN.
YES, YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET CODE COMPLIANCE OR COMMUNITY PROSECUTION OR WHOEVER IT TAKES ON BOARD TO, TO GET THE, THE WILDLY, YOU KNOW, THE COWBOYS IN
BUT I'M JUST, IF WE'RE, IF WE TRULY WANT TO TRANSITION THE AREA, I THINK IT'S A
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DANGER TO DO A STRAIGHT ZONING THAT ALLOWS SOME OF THESE, UM, MORE INTRUSIVE, INCOMPATIBLE USES.COMMISSIONER IF, IF YOU ALLOW ME, UM, IN THE INDUSTRIAL, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL RESTOR ONLY ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING, INDUSTRIAL INSIGHT, NOT POTENTIAL COMPATIBLE ALLOWS FOR INDUSTRIAL INSIDE LIGHT MANUFACTURING.
AND THEN WE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO GAS PIPELINE, LEMME MAKE SURE IT IS SORRY TO GAS DRILLING AND PRODUCTION.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY INDUSTRIAL USES PERMITTED.
I, I, I'M QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE USE CHARTS.
I WENT THROUGH THEM EXHAUSTIVELY AND MADE, MADE LISTS.
BUT, BUT SOME OF THE, THE MORE INTRUSIVE USES FALL UNDER, OFFICIALLY FALL UNDER COMMERCIAL, UM, USES OR EVEN THE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING, WHICH ALLOWS HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF, OF DIESEL TRUCKS IS A RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE FOR SOME INCOMPREHENSIBLE REASON THAT NO ONE IN THE CITY HAS EVER BEEN ABLE.
THEY CAN TELL ME WHY IT BECAME A RE THEY CAN TELL ME WHEN IT BECAME A RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE.
THE, THE FREIGHT TERMINAL, THE UM, THE, UM, OUTSIDE STORAGE, THE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING, THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT ATTRACTS LOW END HIGH TRUCKING BUSINESS IS A PROBLEM.
COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS SERVICE COMMISSIONER, I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY REMIND YOU, IT'S STILL A BRIEFING.
I I DO UNDERSTAND IF I, IF I MAY JUST ADD ONE MORE COMMENT.
UM, SO, UH, YOU GUYS RECEIVED A LETTER FROM, UM, SOME CITIZENS THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, REQUESTING THE ENTIRE AREA BE ZONED IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
UM, SO THAT IS ALL ALWAYS A CONSIDERATION.
UM, YOU GUYS COULD CERTAINLY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IF THAT'S THE DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE LONG TERM IF FOR THIS TO REVERT TO AGRICULTURE, THAT'S AN OPTION AS AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE AND WE LIKE TO AVOID PDS WHERE, WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
SO IF THE DESIRE IS JUST TO CONSIDER A LESS INTENSE DISTRICT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY STAFF HAS NO, YOU KNOW, ADAMANT OPPOSITIONS TO THAT
SO, YEAH, BUT JUST TO ADD ON THAT, I THINK, UH, IN THAT LETTER, THE COMMUNITY ALSO POINTED OUT THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT HE'S BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT THEY FULLY SUPPORT.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA.
THE, THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD HAS LESS THAN A HUNDRED PEOPLE IS ONLY 25 HOUSES.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH POPULATION TO SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT THEY SO DESIRE.
SO ONE OF THE COMPROMISE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO DEAL WITH IS HOW DO WE GET ENOUGH CUSTOMER BASE, UH, FOR THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE COMMERCIAL DID KNOW THAT THEY REALLY WANT AND THEY FULLY SUPPORT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASON WHY WE STAFF FEELS THAT HAVING THOSE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN BRING PEOPLE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE ROADWAY THAT GOES THROUGH THERE IS A SUPER, IS A SUPERHIGHWAYS.
THEY'RE NOT STOPPING TO TO PATRONIZE THOSE BUSINESSES.
SO IF THE COMMUNITY DECIDES TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THEN I THINK THEY NEED TO TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT THEY CAN BRING IN ADDITIONAL DATA AND POPULATION.
AND I THINK THOSE, UM, EMPLOYMENT ESTABLISHMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN THOSE AREAS, UH, PROBABLY NEED TO BE SUPPORTED AND CONTINUE.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE, CAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT IS DETRIMENTAL TO THOSE WHO ARE LIVING THERE.
BUT I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT IF THEY SO DESIRE TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL NODE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT YOU BRING IN THE POPULATION THAT WILL SUPPORT IT.
I WILL REFRAIN FROM ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY.
I DO HAVE ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT PD 7 78.
I MEAN, YOU DID GO THROUGH AND YOU ADDED A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GIS RA RVS TO VARIOUS USES.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC BEHIND SAY ADDING AN SEP REQUIREMENT FOR A MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE, BUT UH, JUST GOING TO RAR FOR A WAREHOUSE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSES CAN BE HUGE LOGISTICS SITUATIONS WITH LOTS OF, I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE LOGIC FOR FOR HAVING A MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENT FOR SAY A MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE THAN FOR A, A FULL BLOWN WAREHOUSE? SO, SO I, I, I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO TRY TO MATCH WHAT IS ALLOWED IN LI WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT IS AROUND IT.
SO IF IN THE LI DISTRICT THAT PARTICULAR USE, UH, REQUIRED SUP, WE WOULD MATCH IT TO THAT
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AND THAT IS WHAT WAS INFORMING OUR DECISION.UH, I'D LIKE TO UH, CIRCLE BACK ON THE, UM, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME ON THE NON-CONFORMING, ARE THESE, UH, IS IT GONNA BE AN ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE OR JUST A NON-CONFORMING USE THAT A COMPLIANCE CASE COULD BE BROUGHT FORTH BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS? I, I DIDN'T CATCH THE LAST PART OF YOUR QUESTION.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU, YOU CAN HAVE NON-CONFORMING LEGAL USE 'CAUSE IT WILL BE SPELLED OUT THAT ALTHOUGH THE LEASE IS NON, THE UH, USE IS NON-CONFORMING SUCH THAT A NEW APPLICANT GET THAT USE, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS COULD OPERATE, CONTINUE TO OPERATE INDEFINITELY AS A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING.
IF THEY ARE JUST NON-CONFORMING, SOMEBODY COULD BRING FORTH A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS CASE AGAINST THEM TO FORCE THEM INTO COMPLIANCE OR TRY TO FORCE THEM INTO COMPLIANCE.
WHICH ONE IS THE, WHICH ONE ARE WE? WELL BASICALLY, UM, I USE THIS EITHER LEGAL, IF IT IS LEGALLY IT HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND IT COMPLIES WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
NON-CONFORMING IS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE TRANSITION IT, TRANSITION THE ZONING, WHICH YOU, WE ARE PROPOSING HERE WHEN WE CHANGE THE ZONING.
IF THE USE IS NOT PERMITTED BY THE NEW ZONING DISTRICT, THEN THEY WILL BE NON-CONFORMING.
BUT IF A USE, DID I ANSWER THAT QUESTION? THAT PART, YEAH.
BUT IF THE USE HAS BEEN THERE AND IT IS NOT LEGAL, MEANING DON'T HAVE THE PROPER CO, THEN THEY WILL BE CURRENTLY OPERATING ILLEGALLY, CURRENTLY OPERATING.
THEY'RE JUST OPERATING ILLEGALLY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
I, I THINK I'VE FOLLOWED ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW STAFF LANDED AT LI FOR THE AREAS THAT ARE AND AND WHY A PD, WHICH AGAIN MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WAY TO MORE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE A A, A FUTURE TRANSITION.
I GUESS WHAT I WAS ALSO, SO I UNDERSTAND AA IS ONE OF THE OTHER, UM, DISTRICTS THAT'S COME OUT OF COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT AS STAFF EVALUATED IT, I WAS TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE USES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND AND SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS.
AND I APOLO YOU PROBABLY SAID THIS AND THERE WAS A LOT TO TAKE IN.
WHY WAS IT NOT, WHY WAS ALLY THE DISTRICT VERSUS ONE OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS? AND AGAIN, THEY ALL HAVE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES THAT I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER AREAS, BUT CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY, HOW IS LI THE ONE THAT GOT THE DISTRICT THAT GOT SELECTED? SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
SO WE TRIED ALSO TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WAS EXISTING, THE OPERATION THAT WAS EXISTING ON THE GROUND.
SO A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE INDUSTRIAL USES, UH, THAT WERE PERMITTED UNDER IM AND IR.
AND SO WE, LIKE WE'VE SAID SO MANY TIMES, TRYING TO STRIKE A BALANCE, SOFTEN THE USE, BRINGING IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
BUT ALSO WE'VE MET WITH A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, WE DO UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACTUALLY TOOK THEIR TIME TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND THEY MADE THEIR CASE, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE THEIR CASE.
AND WE AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND WE TRY TO STRIKE A BALANCE.
AND I JUST WANNA MENTION SOMETHING THAT KIND OF STOOD OUT FOR ME.
UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THESE BUSINESSES, RIGHT? AND ZONING THEM OUT OF COMPLIANCE, MAKING THEM ILLEGAL AND SHUTTING THEM DOWN IS GONNA HAVE SOME REAL IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE DID, UH, ANALYZE A BIT.
A NUMBER OF THEM DON'T LIVE FAR FROM HERE.
THEY LIVE IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND IF WE WERE TO SHUT DOWN THE BUSINESSES, IT'S GONNA IMPACT THEIR LIVELIHOOD.
AND SO WE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO STRIKE A BALANCE.
HOW DO WE ALLOW SOME BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT SO INTENSE THAT ARE NOT GOING TO COMPLETELY DESTROY THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, UH, WHILE STILL PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE AND PROTECTING THE TAX BASE FOR THE CITY.
I'VE HAD A FEW CASES IN MY DISTRICT WHERE WE'VE HAD THE SIMILAR ISSUES OF HOW DO WE SUPPORT OUR LONG-TERM EXISTING BUSINESSES, UM, AND ALLOW FOR TRANSITIONS.
I GUESS I WAS TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE LIST AND LOOKED AT CS.
AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPARATIVE
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ISSUES WITH CS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE OUTCOME IS THERE WOULD'VE BEEN MORE NON-CONFORMING USES THAT WOULD'VE COME OUT OF THAT VERSUS THE LI IS THAT PROPOSED? IS THAT A FAIR IT IS FAIR.I THINK THE ISSUE OF CONFORMITY KEEPS ON COMING UP.
IF WE MAKE THEM AL THERE IS IMPLICATION TO THE CITY.
YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE EXISTING ILLEGAL, WE HAVE POTENTIALLY NON-CONFORMING DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION OF THIS BODY.
SO I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
WE JUST DIDN'T WANT TO ZONE THEM OUT OF CONFORMITY.
AND ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS WORD NOT RECOMMENDED.
THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS SERVICES, UH, WE ARE NOT COMMEND RECOMMENDING THAT USE.
AND A LOT OF THE USES THAT AT THE MOMENT, UM, ARE OPERATING MIGHT NOT HAVE THE CERTIFICATE OF BUSINESS OCCUPANCY THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE.
SO IF THEY'RE OPERATING LEGALLY NOW, THEN THEY WILL CONTINUE BEING ILLEGAL AND IT'S A MATTER OF SOMEBODY FROM CODE TO COME AND SAY, WELL YOU GOTTA GO.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT, AGAIN, I WAS WORKING THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO BACK UP AND ASK WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS, UM, AUTHORIZED HEARING? IS IT TO, UH, WE, WE HEARD EARLIER THERE'S APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED RESIDENTS, 30 SOMETHING HOMES.
IS IT SIMPLY TO GIVE THEM SOME PROTECTION AND RELIEF OR IS IT A LAR IS IT A MORE AMBITIOUS GOAL TO CREATE A, UH, A HUNDRED ACRE AREA THAT MIGHT HAVE NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN IT? I MEAN, IS IS THIS, IS THIS BASICALLY A TRUTH OR ARE WE TRYING TO CREATE A NEW COMMUNITY HERE? WHAT, WHICH IS IT? IT IS, IT IS BOTH.
UH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WORKS KIND OF BROUGHT OUT STRONGLY WAS THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT, TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR RESIDENCES THAT EXIST IN THE AREA.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE THEY WERE EXISTING IN INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND.
SO WE KIND OF HAD TO PROVIDE SOME RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT FOR THEM.
BUT ALSO WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS USUALLY LOST HERE.
WE ARE PROTECTING THOSE WHO ARE THERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES.
SO THAT'S WHAT WAS ONE OF THE OBJECTIVE, PROVIDING PROTECTION FOR ONLY THOSE WHO ARE THERE, BUT ALSO ENSURING THAT WE DON'T CREATE A SITUATION WHERE WE BRING IN ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME ALSO THERE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT OF THIS, THE POLLUTION THAT IS CAUSED BY THE EXISTING USES IN THE AREA BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
AND SO WE WANT THE, OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY TO, IF POSSIBLE, ELIMINATE THAT AND IF THE IMPACT IS GONNA BE MORE ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE, SOFTEN IT, LOWER DOWN THE INTENSITY OF THE USES AND THOSE WHO ARE THE TRUE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE.
KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA.
THERE'S THE FIVE MILE CREEK THAT ALSO WE NEED TO PROTECT.
SO IT WAS KIND OF A BALANCING ACT OF ENVIRONMENTAL ECONOMIC IMPACT AND ALSO PROTECTION OF THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE THERE.
SO, UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED THE STAKEHOLDERS SEVERAL TIMES.
CAN YOU TELL US EXACTLY WHO THOSE ARE AND DO THEY AGREE THAT NO NEW RESIDENTIAL SHOULD BE IN, UM, SHOULD BE BUILT? SO THE STAKEHOLDERS, WE DO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS AND THEY'RE VERY ORGANIZED.
I THINK, UH, PROBABLY THEY'VE DEALT WITH THIS BODY A NUMBER OF TIME IN PREVIOUS CASES.
UH, THEY HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS THAT ALSO ARE VERY ORGANIZED AND VERY ADVOCATE STRONGLY FOR THEIR INTEREST.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF THESE INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS ARE VERY LARGE ACREAGE OPERATIONS.
UH, SOME OF THEM ARE COMPANIES, UH, A FEW OF THEM ARE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS.
UH, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THEY'RE VERY ORGANIZED.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THEIR MEETING AND THEY SHOWED UP AT THE MEETING.
AND I REMEMBER ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE AT SINGING HILL, UH, WAS PRIMARILY ATTENDED BY THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
AND THEY SPECIFICALLY TOLD US, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE ADDRESS OR PROTECTED THROUGH THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING.
AND IT WAS AMONG THE, THE POINTS THAT WERE LISTED UNDER WHAT WE HAD.
THEY WANTED TO PROTECT WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.
THEY WANTED THOSE INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS TO CONTINUE AS THEY ARE.
THEY WANTED TO PROTECT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH ZONING.
SO THEY DIDN'T GET THAT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
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BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATIONS ARE VERY ORGANIZED.UH, THEY'VE ADVOCATED FOR THEIR INTEREST VERY STRONGLY.
THROUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT, WE'VE HAD TO ARRANGE FOR MEETINGS WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES AND THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE FACING, UH, IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT ARE ADDRESSED.
SO IT'S A WHOLE GAMENT OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE DEALT WITH.
AND THEN THERE'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP THAT IS SPECIFICALLY HAS AN INTEREST ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT OF THIS.
COMMISSIONER WEER IS THE RESIDENTIAL IS, IS THE OUTSIDE GROUPS THE ONE THAT'S PUSHING FOR AGRICULTURAL, UM, AND NOT THE RESIDENTS? SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? WHO, WHICH, WHICH, WHO IS PUSHING FOR AGRICULTURAL? IS IT THE OUTSIDE GROUP OR THE RESIDENTS? IT'S THE RESIDENTS.
THE, THE RESIDENTS WANT AGRICULTURAL.
YEAH, THEY'RE PUSHING FOR AGRICULTURAL USE.
AND, AND SO HOW DO WE COME UP WITH KEEPING WELL, THE INDUSTRIAL USE, I UNDERSTAND WHY I'M, I'M, I'M QUITE A BIT ON THAT, ON THAT IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO THE, BUT THE MIDDLE GROUND WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL IN AREAS WHERE WE ALREADY HAD EXISTING INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS.
SO ALL THE RESIDENCES, UH, WERE THAT WERE IN, IM, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN RESOLVED TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND AROUND THEM WE'VE INCREASED THE ACREAGE THAT IS ZONED, UH, AGRICULTURAL TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR THEM.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACREAGE IS WAY LESS THAN WHAT WE HAD UNDER INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING.
AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH IS WAY LESS THAN WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
SO WE ARE KIND OF SHRINKING THE ACREAGE THAT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL, INCREASING THE ACREAGE THAT IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND IS A COMPROMISE TRYING TO STRIKE A MIDDLE GROUND.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN BETWEEN, THIS PROPERTY IS IN BETWEEN I 45 AND, AND, AND, UM, THREE 10 CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
SEE, I KNOW IT'S ON SIMPSON STORE, BUT IS IT THAT THAT PROPERTY ONE SIDE IS UM, IT'S CLOSE.
IT SITS KINDA LANE BETWEEN I 45 AND AND AND THREE 10 CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
AM I CORRECT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE PD? SO IS THAT THE FARTHEST PART OF THE INDUSTRIAL THAT IN THE WHOLE INDUSTRIAL ZONE? YES.
EVERYTHING HERE WAS UNDER INDUSTRIAL, SOME KIND OF EITHER INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH OR INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE MOST RETAIL, SMALLER RETAIL BUSINESS THAT, THAT CATER TO THE, UM, MORE RESIDENTIAL BASE USUALLY DON'T SURVIVE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF, UM, BECAUSE MOST OF IT'S TRUCK TRUCKERS OR SOMETHING IN INDUSTRIAL USE, INCLUDING THE CITY OF DALLAS? YEAH, I'M AWARE OF THAT.
AND THAT'S THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE, THAT IF WE DON'T BRING IN SOME PEOPLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POPULATION TO SUPPORT RETAIL IN THIS AREA.
SO DO YOU, HAVE YOU ALL TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THIS IS CONTINUALLY MOVING IN INTO INDUSTRIAL AREAS? THAT, THAT, AND PUTTING MORE HOMES CLOSER WHERE WE WILL LOSE, UH, SOME OF OUR INDUSTRIAL BASE, THAT SERVICE AND THOSE PROPERTY ON SOME, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA DO LIVE AND WORK IN THAT RIGHT AREA.
WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THIS IS A FLOOD PLANE.
WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, JUST BECAUSE, AND EVEN IF WE DID, IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP IN A FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THERE IS COST AMPLIFICATION OF ESTABLISHING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO INITIALLY RESIDENCES THAT EXISTED HERE WERE NOT RECOGNIZED LEGALLY.
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE UNDER INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, SO TECHNICALLY THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, BUT WE KIND OF CREATED A ZONING DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR THOSE WHO ARE THERE.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS NOT ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO THIS AREA BECAUSE IT IS A FLOODPLAIN.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASON WHY IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT IS RIGHT OUTSIDE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, WE'LL SEE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN EMPTIED OUT AND THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE OF FLOODING.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP MOVING INTO INDUSTRIAL AND ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL TO TAKE HOLD AT SOME POINT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY DISTRICT COMMISSIONER HALL.
UH, A CLARIFICATION, I HEARD MAYBE A HUNDRED PE A HUNDRED PEOPLE LIVED THERE, BUT I THOUGHT
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I AL ALSO HEARD MAYBE ONLY 10 HOMES.WHAT DID I MIS MISUNDERSTAND? SO LET, LET, LET ME EXPLAIN HOW I CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.
THEY'RE 27 HOME RESIDENTIAL HOME, UH, BASED ON VISUAL INSPECTION.
WE BELIEVE THAT THREE OF THEM ARE VACANT, ARE UNOCCUPIED.
AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO DETERMINE APPROXIMATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE DISTRICT.
AND OUR ESTIMATE IS THAT WITH 25 HOMES, UH, WE HAVE LESS THAN A HUNDRED PEOPLE HERE.
IT COULD BE LESS, IT COULD BE 50.
SO WE ARE JUST GIVING THEM ON THE, BEING GENEROUS THAT THEY HAVE MAYBE TWO KIDS OR THREE KIDS AND THERE'S A FATHER AND A, SO FIVE PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD MULTIPLIED BY 25.
AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE ARRIVING AT THE, THE, THE APPROXIMATE FIGURE.
BUT TECHNICALLY I THINK WE HAVE WAY LESS PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA THAN A HUNDRED.
SO, SO NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT PEOPLE DO LIVE THERE.
THIS IS NOT THE SAME AREA AS OUR SECOND, UM, AUTHORIZED HEARING CASE.
UM, MR. CHAIR, COULD, COULD WE MAKE CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS AND MAKE A MINOR CLARIFICATION? OF COURSE, PLEASE.
SO THE USAGE THAT WILL BECOME, UM, NON-CONFORMING WILL BE THE MAYOR SALVAGE FACILITY THAT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN THE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT.
THERE IS AVE VEHICLE STORAGE LOT THAT WE HAVE ON SIMPSON STEWARD OF THE NORTHBOUND BETWEEN SIMPSON STEWARD AND THE, UM, CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN OUTSIDE SALVAGE AND RECLAMATION, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE USE NORTH ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
SO THOSE WILL BE THE THREE ONES.
NOW, ANY USE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT IS, UM, ILLEGAL OPERATING ILLEGALLY, THAT THEY ARE GONNA BE ILLEGAL? YES, MA'AM.
SO COMMISSIONER, WE, WE THANK YOU.
SO, SO YOU, YOU JUST STATED THAT THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF OF USES THAT COULD, COULD CONCEIVABLY BECOME NON-CONFORMING IF WE MOVE THIS FORWARD, AND IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO CHALLENGED THEIR ABILITY TO OPERATE, THEN SENATE BILL 9 29 WOULD GO INTO EFFECT AND WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
SIR, COULD I GET A CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT THE SECOND OF THOSE THIRD USES? I HEARD SOMETHING STORAGE, BUT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS.
YEAH, YOU SAID A METAL ONE WAS THE FIRST ONE.
AND THEN THERE WAS AUTO SALVAGE VEHICLE VEHICLE STORAGE LOT VACANT STORAGE VEHICLE.
I I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGE TO AGRICULTURAL FOR PARTS OF THIS WHERE I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY OF ALL THE STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGES, THAT'S THAT'S THE BEST ONE TO GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT IT IS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, SOMEONE, IF IT'S CHANGED TO AGRICULTURAL, SOMEONE COULD CONCEIVABLY APPLY TO, I MEAN, OR BUILD RESIDENTIAL.
ARE YOU OR IS YOUR, BUT WELL, THE STATED GOAL IS TO NOT INCREASE THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
BUT ARE YOU BELIEVING THAT BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN STATUS, THE EXPENSE AND WHATEVER OTHER PERMITTING OBSTACLES EXIST? THAT THAT THE RESULT WOULD BE THAT NO ONE WOULD TRY TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL THERE? UM, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE THOUGHT.
UM, THE OTHER IS, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND AN AG DISTRICT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF THREE ACRES.
AND SO IT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, BASED ON WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, PLATING AND THERE WOULD BE MANY OTHER PROCESSES, UM, TO, TO GO THROUGH.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR UP HERE, SO I'M GONNA, UH, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M REPEATING OR COVERING GROUND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COVERED.
WELL, BUT UH, I BELIEVE WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 27 RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THAT ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THOSE APPEAR TO BE OCCUPIED, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, MAJORITY OF THEM ARE OCCUPIED.
THREE OF THEM WE SUSPECT ARE VACANT AND OCCUPIED.
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OKAY.SO, BUT ABOUT, SO APPROXIMATELY 25.
OKAY, SO I HAD THAT, I HAD THAT BACKWARDS AND OCCUPIED.
UM, JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY BUSINESSES AND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE IN THIS DISTRICT? LET'S ADD A QUESTION TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, OPERATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHOUT GETTING THE PROPER DOCUMENT PERMITTING DOCUMENTS.
A LOT OF, UH, PROPERTIES THAT WE SAW HAVE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES, BUT I DID COUNT, UH, ABOUT 15 TO 17 PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BUSINESS OPERATIONS, SO THEY COULD HAVE MULTIPLE OPERATIONS, DIFFERENT BUSINESSES WITHIN THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT I KNOW IN TERMS OF WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, WE ARE PROPOSING 20 PROPERTIES TO BE ZONED CR CS, SORRY, CS, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
HE, HE WAS CORRECT WHEN HE SAID CR I INCORRECTLY CORRECTED HIM ON THAT CR COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.
AT THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WERE IT, WERE IT THE, WERE IT THE SINGLE ON THE HILL COMMUNITY OR WAS IT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ON ON THOSE 25 RESIDENTS? SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? WERE, WERE THE 20 WERE THE RE THE, THE, THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, OR PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENCE IN THAT AREA, WERE THEY AT THE MEETING OR WAS IT J OR WAS IT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I 45, WHICH IS SINGLE HILL? UM, LET, LET ME HELP WITH THAT.
THE, THE, THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THE, THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS INCLUDED NOT ONLY THE, THE, THE FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY, THE MEETINGS ALSO INCLUDED THE RE THE COMM, THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDED OUTSIDE STAKEHOLDERS WHO HAVE WORKED WITH BOTH THE BUSINESSES AND THE FLORAL FARM COMMUNITY.
THE FLORAL FARM COMMUNITY INCLUDES NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS, THOSE THAT ARE, UM, UH, PROTECTIVE OVER THAT COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO ENVIRONMENTALIST WHO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL IS, UM, CONCERNS, ISSUES AND APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THE, WHAT IS OUT THERE AS WELL AS STAFF.
STAFF WAS ALWAYS IN ALL THE, ALL OF EVERYBODY WAS ALWAYS INCLUDED IN ALL THE, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AND THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN WHICH NOT ONLY I AM PARTICIPATED IN, BUT THE DISTRICT PARTICIPATED IN.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE TALK, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY MEETINGS, IT WAS A VERY IN DEPTH, OUTSPOKEN, IT EVEN INCLUDED PREVIOUS COM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO IT WAS A VERY IN DEPTH MEETING.
SO I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION AND I I ASK THIS QUESTION ANYTIME WE DEAL WITH INDUSTRY THAT IS IN PROXIMITY, WHO WAS THERE FIRST BECAUSE YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT RESIDENTIAL WASN'T EVER SUPPOSED TO BUILD THERE, BUT THEY BUILT THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED BETWEEN 1920S AND 1950S.
AND THE NEXT SECTION OF THE LAND WAS IN 1956.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. HOLLY, OPEN AND TEAM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN, UH, FOR THE HEARING COMMISSIONERS.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND BRIEF THE, THE REST OF THE CASES BEFORE WE HEAR 'EM AT THE HEARING.
TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR LUNCH BREAK.
IT IS 12:03 PM AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
WE'LL BE BACK ONLINE AT 1230 SHARP.
MS. PINA, WE'RE READY FOR ROLL CALL.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
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DISTRICT TWO PRESENT.DISTRICT 11, DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT 13 HERE.
DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15, SIR, YOU HAVE QUORUM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. FAINA.
[CALL TO ORDER]
AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MARCH 7TH, 2020 4, 12 30 5:00 PM COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE DOCKET.
UM, YELLOW FORMS, UH, THERE'S SOME YELLOW FORMS DOWN HERE ON THE, THE TABLE TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UH, WHERE YOU CAN REGISTER YOUR ATTENDANCE WITH US HERE TODAY.
WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT AT SOME POINT, UH, TODAY.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, COME DOWN AND FILL ONE OF THOSE FORMS OUT.
YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE ON THE TABLE.
UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TODAY.
MS. BESINA WILL KEEP TIME AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW YOUR TIME IS UP.
UH, FOR ANY CASES THAT DO HAVE OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT PER OUR RULES WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
I WILL ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, FOR OUR FOLKS ONLINE, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING.
STATE LAW REQUIRES US THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE DO HAVE, UH, AGENDAS HERE IF YOU NEED ONE AT, UH, THE TABLE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
UM, WE'LL GET STARTED RIGHT OFF THE VERY TOP.
UH, THE BRIEFING FOR THE FORWARD DALLAS, UH, IS GONNA HAPPEN AT THE END OF OUR HEARING.
IT'LL BE THE LAST ITEM THAT WE WE TAKE UP TODAY THAT TAKES US TO THE TWO DEVELOPMENT
[Development Plan Cases - Consent]
PLANS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM NUMBER TWO IS AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE SOUTH SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 8 2 VICTORY PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF VICTORY AVENUE BETWEEN MUSEUM WAY AND HIGH MARKET STREET.
UM, THIS IS D 2 23 DASH 0 0 8.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
AND ITEM NUMBER THREE IS D 2 34 DASH 0 0 4.
AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREAS A AND B WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 7 8 ALONG THE EAST LINE OF INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 45 NORTH 45 NORTH OF SIMPSON STEWART ROAD.
IT'S GOOD HERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE TAKING THE TWO, THE FIRST TWO ITEMS, UH, WHICH ARE DEVELOPMENT PLANS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION.
UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON EITHER OF THOSE TWO ITEMS. I'M ITEM NUMBER TWO OR THREE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ON EITHER OF THOSE TWO ITEMS? OKAY, SEEING NONE.
ANY LAST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
IN THE UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN CASES, CONSENT AGENDAS, ITEMS D 2 23 DASH EIGHT AND D 2 34 DASH 0 0 4, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I MAKE ONE TO THE MOTION? ABSOLUTELY.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ANY, NONE.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
GO BACK AND PICK UP THE, UH, THE MINUTES FOR THE FEBRUARY 1ST AND FEBRUARY 15TH.I GET A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR THE SECOND.
[4. 24-845 An application for a minor amendment to an existing development plan on property zoned Planned Development District No. 166, on the west line of La Prada Drive, south of Blyth Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Nexus Incorporated Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Tasfia Zahin U/A From: February 15, 2024. Council District: 7 M234-033(TZ)]
FOUR.ITEM ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS, UH, NOTED IN A DOCKET AS M 2 34 DASH 0 3 3.
THE ACTUAL CASE NUMBER IS M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3.
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MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 6 6 ON THE WEST LINE OF LA PRADA DRIVE SOUTH OF BLYTHE DRIVE.UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MARCH 21ST.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 21ST.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, PLEASE? IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WERE WE HOLDING ON THAT ADVISEMENT? UH, WE WERE ADVISED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT, UM, DUE TO THE CASE NUMBER BEING INCORRECTLY NOTED IN THE DOCKET THAT WE NEED TO HOLD IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SO IT'S DANIEL'S FAULT? YEAH, THAT THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE OF THE TYPO IN THE DOCKET, IT'S GOTTA BE HELD UNTIL IT'S NO LONGER HAS THE TYPO IN THE DOCKET.
SO, SO THAT IT'S CORRECT IN THE DOCKET.
SO WE'LL BE JUST HOLDING IT FOR ONE FOR, OKAY.
DANIEL
UH, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I MOVED TO, UM, MY BRAIN JUST WENT, I MEAN, I MOVED TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IN THE MATTER OF IN 2 3, 4 0 3 3.
I MOVE TO HOLD THE, UH, KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, UM, AND HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE MARCH 21ST CPC DATE.
UH, IT'S THE, THE NEW CASE NUMBER IS M 2 3 4 2 2 3 2 2 3.
IN THE MATTER OF M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3 I MOVED TO KEEP THE CLAIM NO, NO, NO, NO.
IT GOES BACK TO, OH MY GOD, IN THE MATTER OF OF M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3, I MOVED TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD, UH, THIS CASE UP UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE MARCH 21ST CPC DATE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER HOUSE, UH, HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE NOW MOVING ON
[ZONING DOCKET: Consent]
TO OUR ZONING CASES.THEY CONSIST OF CASES FIVE THROUGH 11 AT THIS POINT, CASES SIX, EIGHT, AND NINE HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF THAT CONSENT AGENDA AND WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY UNLESS, UH, THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WANTS TO BE HEARD ON CASES 5, 7, 10 OR 11, THEN THOSE WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS, AGAIN, THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD AND WE'LL PULL THAT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASES 5, 7, 10 OR 11 5, 7, 10 OR 11.
OKAY, WE'LL GET THOSE RIGHT INTO THE RECORD.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS KZ 2 2 3 180 8.
AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE.
PERMIT NUMBER 2365 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS THAN PROPERTY ZONE.
A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LAKE JUNE ROAD AND HOLCOMB ROAD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS KZ 2 2 3 2 85.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2299 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED AND IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SKILLMAN STREET IN THE NORTH LINE OF WENDELL ROAD, EAST OF PAGE MILL SITE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS KZ 2 2 3 3 3 4.
AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT BETWEEN LOMAX DRIVE AND WI
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WIMBLEDON.STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SIPAN AND CONDITIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 11 IS KZ 2 3 4 1 3 3.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE.
PERMIT NUMBER 2358 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A MICRO BREWERY, MICRO DISTILL OR WINERY ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SIX 19 WITH EIGHT, UH, 1 21 DALLAS POWER AND LIGHT BUILDING, HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COMMERCE STREET AND BRODER STREET.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEMS 5, 7, 10 OR 11? SCENE NONE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES, I DO.
I MOVE TO APPROVE CASES 5, 7, 10 AND 11.
UM, ZT 2 3 1 8 8 Z 2 2 3 2 8 5 Z, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3 4 AND Z 2, 3, 4, 1, 3 3 ON THE CONSENT DOCKET AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
A ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
[6. An application for a new subarea on property zoned Tract IV within Planned Development District No. 317, the Preston Center Special Purpose District, on the north line of Colgate Avenue, between Westchester Drive and Preston Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval subject to a development plan, a traffic management plan, and conditions. Owner/Applicant: CKCP-RC Representative: Tommy Mann, Winstead PC Planner: Michael Pepe Council District: 13 Z223-243(MP)]
MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX Z 2 23.ACTUALLY, UM, THIS ITEM LIZ AND JOHN HAS AN AN INCORRECT NUMBER, UH, AND THEREFORE, UH, WE DO NOT NEED A MOTION DOESN'T EXIST.
UH, WHICH NUMBER? THIS IS NUMBER SIX.
UH, BUT WE'LL BE BACK ON THE AGENDA ON MARCH 21ST.
SO ITEM NUMBER SIX AT A, UH, AN ERROR THERE IN THE NOTICE THAT PD NUMBER THREE 17 SHOULD BE THREE 14 OR THEREFORE IT WILL BE HEARD ON THE 21ST.
IT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? COMMISSIONER? SEVEN.
SEVEN WAS TAKEN OFF CONSENT, CORRECT.
IT WAS ALREADY DISPOSED OF IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[8. 24-854 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2429 for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a microbrewery, microdistillery, or winery and a bar, lounge, or tavern on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development District No. 269, The Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the south line of Commerce Street, west of South Malcolm X Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewal for additional five-year periods, subject to amended conditions. Applicant: Westlake Brewing Company Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Planning Planner: Wilson Kerr Council District: 2 Z223-323(WK)]
CASE NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN BRIEF.YOU ABLE TO SEE THE SCREEN NOW? WE CAN.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, THIS IS CASE NUMBER 2, 2 3 3 2 3.
IT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP 2 4 2 9, LOCATED AT 28 16 COMMERCE STREET.
SO THE REQUEST IS, UH, RENEWAL, UH, OF SEP NUMBER 24 29, UH, FOR A MICROBREWERY WITH A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN COMPONENT FOR THE OUTSIDE CON UH, CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTH CORNER OF COMMERCE STREET AND MALCOLM X BOULEVARD.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED TRACK DAY WITHIN PD NUMBER 2 6 9, THE D BELLA, UH, NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, 5,970 SQUARE FEET AND IT IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO.
HERE IS THE LOCATION, UH, THE REQUEST DETAILS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A MICROBREWERY MICRO DISTILLERY OR WINERY AND BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN.
UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIODS.
AND, UM, THE SEP, THE ORIGINAL SEP WAS APPROVED IN 2021.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE SURROUNDING USES.
SO, UM, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS COMMERCE, UM, ARE SOME RESTAURANT AND BAR USES.
SAME WITH, UH, ACROSS MALCOLM X BOULEVARD.
UM, AND THEN, UM, TO THE, THE WEST IS PD 2 69, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH ACROSS CLOVER STREET IS A MICRO DISTILLERY.
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NORTHEAST.HERE'S ON THE SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST.
AND HERE'S ON THE SITE, UM, LOOKING SOUTHEAST AS WELL.
UM, HERE'S ON THE SITE FROM THE REAR PARKING LOT, AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE SITE PLAN.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, UH, PIXELATION.
AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, MR. KERR, WERE YOU ABLE TO REVIEW THE, UH, PRIOR CASE REPORT ON THIS MATTER? UH, I WAS, YES.
AND SO YOU'RE AWARE THAT THIS WAS, UM, A NEW SUP AT THE TIME OF 2021, PRIMARILY DUE TO A CHANGE IN THE OPERATOR? YES.
UM, RELATED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE AUTO RENEWAL, UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE OPERATOR IS NOT THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY? ARE YOU AWARE? UM, I AM, UH, I'M NOT AWARE.
I WILL, UH, I I CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU THOUGH.
NO, THAT'S, UM, I, I BELIEVE I CAN REPORT THAT THROUGH MY, UM, REVIEW WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS WITH THE STAKEHOLDER COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, WE ARE READY FOR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HANEN, PLEASE THANK YOU.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 3 23, I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AND HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I A SECOND.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMENTS.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, OPERATOR AND THE APPLICANT'S TEAM BEING ENGAGED ON THIS.
I WAS ABLE TO VISIT WITH THE DEEP ELLUM FOUNDATION, WHO HAS A VERY RIGOROUS, UM, SUP REVIEW PROCESS THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE.
THIS IS AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AUTOMATIC RENEWALS ARE NOT GENERALLY SUPPORTED IN THIS AREA SIMPLY BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF THE SUVS WE HAVE AND MANY TIMES THE OPERATOR AND THE APPLICANT ARE, ARE THE OWNER, EXCUSE ME, AND THE OPERATOR ARE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
THE SUP WILL GO WITH THE LAND.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER AS WELL ON ANOTHER ONE OF THE REQUESTS.
AND SO HOPE THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT THE REQUESTS.
THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD OPERATOR AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEM CONTINUING, UH, TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.
I MAY NOT HAVE HEARD IT, BUT DID YOU SAY SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS? THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
I'D LIKE NOT, BUT THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE, UH, CATCH ON THAT SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
IN THE MATTER OF, UH, Z 2 23, 3 23, HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[9. 24-855 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a community service center on property zoned a CR-D-1 Community Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay District and deed restrictions [Z101-185], on the northeast line of Webb Chapel Road, southeast of Larga Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval subject to a site plan and conditions. Owner/Applicant: Esperanza Ministries Representative: Bryce Green, Ministry Consultants Planner: Connor Roberts Council District: 6 Z223-324(CR)]
NUMBER NINE.UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE IS ZONING CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 24.
AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER ON PROPERTY ZONED A CR D ONE COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY DISTRICT AND DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT C 1 0 1 DASH 180 5 ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF WEB CHAPEL ROAD, SOUTHEAST OF LARGA DRIVE.
UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, PAGE FOUR OF YOUR AGENDA.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 3 24, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE, THE SUP EXPIRES FOUR YEARS FROM PASSAGE OF THE ORDINANCE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL TO THE SIDELINE AND CONDITIONS AS WELL AS THE, UH, ADDED LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF THE FOUR YEAR, UH, SUP.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
TAKES US TO, UH, FIRST CASE CENTER ADVISEMENT CASE NUMBER
[12. 24-860 An application for a Specific Use Permit for an auto service center and vehicle display, sales, and service on property zoned Subarea 2 within Planned Development District No. 366, the Buckner Boulevard Special Purpose District, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the west line of Conner Drive between Bruton Road and Stonehurst Street. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Daniel Marquez Representative: Isai Marquez Planner: Michael Pepe U/A From: November 2, 2023, January 18, 2024, and February 15, 2024. Council District: 5 Z223-116(MP)]
12.THAT'S ACTUALLY GOOD AFTERNOON.
CASE NUMBER 12 IS Z 2 2 3 116.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTO SERVICE
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CENTER AND VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 6 6, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF CONNOR DRIVE BETWEEN BRUTON ROAD AND STONE HURST STREET STAFF.UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M SORRY, THERE IS NOBODY HERE.
IS IS THE APPLICANT HERE, I'M SORRY.
OR SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT OR ANYONE? IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT OR IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
WAS THE APPLICANT ABLE TO COME? UM, WAS THE APPLICANT ABLE TO, UM, DO ANY TYPE OF SHIRT, UM, UH, EGRESS AND INGRESS WITH THE PROPERTY THAT THEY, THAT ALSO OWNED, WHICH THE CAR WASH? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
SO ARE WE HOLDING POSSIBLY UN ADVISEMENT? THEY ASKED FOR IT TO BE HELD.
CAN WE GET A MOTION? I DO HAVE A MOTION AND A VERY QUICK COMMENT IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 1 6, UH, MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNDER MATTER, UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 21ST.
UM, WE HAVE A SECOND, UM, FROM COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
UH, THE, THE APPLICANT IS WORKING TO DO THE, UH, UH, THE SHARED EASEMENT.
UM, AND THIS IS A VERY SMALL OPERATOR DOING ALL THE WORK THEMSELVES, UH, MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO HIRE, UH, OUR HIGH POWERED CONSULTANT TEAMS. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, PATIENCE, UH, WITH THESE FOLKS WHILE THEY GET THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS IN ORDER.
I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, THANK YOU.
ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, CAN WE GET A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
WOULD I COMMISSION, UH, WELL NOW MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 13.
UDE, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAUSE FOR ONE MOMENT ON THIS CASE.
I THINK SHE'S, SHE'S TRYING TO GET ONLINE.
SO MAYBE LET'S, LET'S TABLE THE, THE ITEM FOR, FOR A FEW MINUTES UNTIL WE VERIFY THAT SHE'S ONLINE.
WE'LL GO BACK TO 13 HERE IN A MOMENT.
WHICH ONE WE'RE YES, WE'RE DOING 14, 13.
WE'LL TABLE FOR, FOR THE MOMENT, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 14, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED.
WE'LL BRIEF THAT NOW AND THEN WE'LL HEAR IT.
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GOOD AFTERNOON.THIS BRIDGES, THERE'S A MAGIC LITTLE BUTTON DOWN THERE SOMEWHERE IF YOU WANNA RAISE THAT TABLE UP.
[14. 24-862 An application for an MU-1 Mixed Use District on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, on the west corner of South Lancaster Road and Marfa Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Uptown Reinvestment, LLC Representative: Sherry Flewellen Planner: Giahanna Bridges U/A From: January 18, 2024 and February 15, 2024. Council District: 4 Z223-282(GB) ( Part 1 of 2 )]
THIS IS Z 2 2 3 DASH 2 82.THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE WEST CORNER OF SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD AND MARFA AVENUE.
THIS IS THE, UM, LOCATION MAP OUTLINED IN BLUE IS THE AREA OF REQUEST ON THE AREA MAP.
THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SURROUNDING THE AREA OF QUESTION IN QUESTION.
YOU DO HAVE RETAIL, SINGLE FAMILY, AND YOU ALSO HAVE A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL WITH A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT IS LOCATED 1739 MARFA AVENUE AND THEY PROPOSED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH THE DUPLEX.
AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST A MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BE OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
YOU WILL SEE THE EXISTING CR AND UNDERNEATH THAT YOU WILL SEE THE PROPOSED, WHICH IS MIXED USE ONE.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
MRS. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER FORE PLEASE? YES.
UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, PROPOSES TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING FACILITY, IS THAT CORRECT? AND, AND, AND, AND, AND MAY AND YOU, SO IT'S, IT, THE EXISTING FACILITY IS A DUPLEX UNIT AND THEY PLAN ON KEEPING A DUPLEX UNIT THERE.
AND, UH, THE, UH, THE STREET, UH, MARVA STREET, THAT, THAT ONE OF THE HOMES, UH, OR THE DUPLEX PROPERTY FACES, THAT STREET IS PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, SO W WITH THIS MU DESIGNATION THAT ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
UM, WOULD THE, UH, I, I, I, I, I GUESS MS. WELLEN IS HERE, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK HER IF SHE'D BE OPEN TO A DEED RESTRICTION TO PREVENT, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY? DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT? SURE.
UM, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ASK THE APPLICANT THAT QUESTION.
UM, HOWEVER THAT WOULD BE, UH, DURING THE TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
BE, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T TAKE, WE RAN OUT OF TIME.
WE'RE, WE'RE TECHNICALLY JUST BRIEFING THE CASE NOW, I'M SORRY.
AND THEN SHE'LL, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR THE HEARING AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN IF THE APPLICANT IS, IS WILLING TO VOLUNTEER SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS, THEN WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY ENTERTAIN THOSE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON TWO ITEMS. THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE US
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PRIMARILY 'CAUSE THERE'S AN EXISTING DUPLEX ON THE PROPERTY AND THE CR ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.AND THEN JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, UM, IN THE CASE REPORT, I THINK YOU HAD THE CORRECT, UM, TABLE UP IN, IN YOUR BRIEFING.
UM, BUT THERE'S THE ASTERISK BY THE HEIGHT THAT I BELIEVE WAS INTENDED TO BE ON THE SETBACKS.
JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON STOLE MY THUNDER AGAIN.
UM, WE'LL STAY ON THAT PAGE OF THE, OF YOUR REPORT THOUGH, ON PAGE 14 FIVE.
UH, I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN GIVE US A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE, THE LAST SENTENCE THERE ON THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS, IN NEW ZONING DISTRICT WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE ANY DIFFICULTIES IN DEVELOPING ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT WILL NOT DISRUPT NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL USES.
NOW, UM, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, SOME OF THE, THE DIFFICULTIES THAT, UM, THE, THE DA WOULD, IF THERE WAS TO REZONE TO DA, IT WOULD, UM, CAUSE BLACKFACE CONTINUITY.
UM, IT WOULD ALSO, UM, CAUSE RPS, THOSE ARE TWO OF THE MAIN ISSUES THAT IF WE WERE TO REZONE TO DA INSTEAD OF THE MIXED USE.
YOU SAID BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY AND RPS? YES.
SO MAYBE WE CAN DIG DOWN ON THOSE JUST A LITTLE BIT JUST FOR, UH, FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES FOR ME.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF WE WERE TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY, DUPLEX, WHICH IS WHAT THE CURRENT USE IS, AND WHAT JUST INTUITIVELY YOU WOULD THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT? WHAT, HOW DOES THAT PUT STRESS ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES? THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY PIECE? UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS ON ONE STREET, AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE THE STRONGEST ZONING, UM, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR THE STRONGEST ZONING.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY BLACKFACE CONTINUITY.
SO, UH, SO THEREFORE IT WOULD CREATE ISSUES FOR IT, THE THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UH, BECAUSE OF THE DESIGNATION AND OF, YOU KNOW, OUR CODE, UH, IT REQUIRES A, A SPECIFIC SETBACK THAT CORRECT.
THEN PUTS THE REST OF THE HOMES, UH, IN, IN A PROBLEMATIC ISSUE HERE.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT FOR ZONING, IT COULD AFFECT THEM IN A POTENTIALLY NEGATIVE WAY.
AND IF THEY WANNA LIKE REZONE IN THE FUTURE OR ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD CAUSE ISSUES.
AND ISN'T THAT ALSO KIND OF THE CASE IN A WAY? YOUR, THE SECOND ITEM THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS THE RPS? CORRECT? YEAH.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? UM, RPS WILL COME INTO PLAY BECAUSE OF THE, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS, SO ANYTHING ABOVE 26 FEET WILL CAUSE RPS.
AND BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL THAT NEXT, THAT IS NEXT TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF REQUEST, THAT WOULD KICK IN THE RPS.
SO THEN IF I COULD SUMMARIZE THEN, THEN IF WE WERE TO, WHAT INTUITIVELY WOULD WOULD BE TO JUST ZONE THIS DUPLEX IT ACTUALLY DOING SO CREATES TWO KIND OF PROBLEMS, CREATES ONE PROBLEMS FOR THE OTH FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE ON THE SAME BLOCK FACE.
AND THEN TWO CREATES PROBLEMS FOR THE, THE CR OF PROPERTIES BECAUSE IT WOULD CUT OFF THE HEIGHT, THE POTENTIAL HEIGHT THAT THOSE PROPERTIES COULD BE DEVELOPED.
ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR? UM, NOT, NOT TOO MUCH.
VERY, VERY GOOD JOB WITH THAT EXPLANATION, GIANNA.
UM, A FEW MORE THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT IN TERMS OF LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY.
UM, IF WE DID HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, LIKE A DA DUPLEX DISTRICT ABUTTING, UM, THESE, UH, ADJACENT LOTS THAT ARE IN CR TODAY, UM, A 20 FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE TRIGGERED ON THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UH, AND OUTSIDE OF ARTICLE FOUR, IF WE GO TO ARTICLE 10, UH, WHERE LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS ARE, UH, THERE WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL COMPAT COMPATIBILITY BUFFER, UH, TRIGGERED ANYWHERE WHERE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ABUTS RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, ARTICLE 10, LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND, BUT I BELIEVE THAT NEEDS AN AVERAGE WIDTH OF 10 FEET.
SO IT'S JUST SOME ADDITIONAL COMPATIBILITY REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE TRIGGERED IF THIS, UH, IF THIS WERE APPROVED AS A DUPLEX LOT SURROUNDED BY CR ZONING.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UH, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER WEER, UM, SO WE COULDN'T USE DED RESTRICTIONS AS WE HAVE DONE IN SOME CASES WHERE THE D RESTRICTIONS WERE THE, IF THE, WOULD THAT SOLVE THE ISSUE IN A DUPLEX IF THE, IF THEY WERE WILLING TO DO DE RESTRICTIONS AND SO THAT IT WOULD MATCH THE REST OF THE BLOCK? YES, I DID SPEAK WITH DANIEL ABOUT THAT, AND HE SAID IF THE APPLICANT WOULD, IF THEY WANT TO VOLUNTEER DE RESTRICTIONS, THAT WOULD BE OKAY TO PROHIBIT ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE.
I ALSO SPOKE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT ABOUT THAT AS WELL, AND THE APPLICANT SAID SHE'S
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OPEN TO THAT.AND WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE ZONING TO, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDED OR FOR DUPLEX? NO, IT'LL STILL BE MU ONE, BUT IT'LL ALSO HAVE D RESTRICTIONS WITH THAT.
SO IT'LL STILL BE THE SAME ZONING THAT I'M IN, I AM RECOMMENDING.
UH, A QUESTION I'VE ASKED AT PREVIOUS BRIEFINGS, UH, ON THIS SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT, UH, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE WOULD AMEND OUR DUPLEX ZONING TO, UH, MORE, UH, BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH OUR SINGLE FAMILY ZONING? UH, WOULDN'T IT, I'M SURE THAT IT WOULD
SO I UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT'S THERE NOW HAS BEEN USED AS A DUPLEX.
IS ANYONE LIVING THERE NOW? I DON'T BELIEVE, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE IS LIVING THERE NOW, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
BUT SHE DID NOT MENTION THAT TO ME THAT SHE HAD SOMEONE LIVING THERE.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE PARKING FOR, IS THERE, UH, ADEQUATE PAVED PARKING FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE DUPLEX? I BELIEVE SO WHEN I DID MY SITE VISIT, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE ENOUGH PARKING.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE AT LEAST ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT.
COMMISSIONER, ER SECOND ROUND.
UH, LET, LET'S, LET'S TAKE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR A SECOND ROUND PLEASE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT'S A GREAT OBSERVATION ABOUT THE, UM, ADJACENCY ISSUES AND THE ADDITIONAL, UM, BUFFERING THAT'S REQUIRED.
IS IT CORRECT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UM, THIS LOT, THERE'S, I GUESS GONNA BE A REMAINDER, I'LL CALL IT A REMAINDER, A CR LOT, AND THEN THE REST OF THE BLOCK IS R SEVEN FIVE.
SO WOULDN'T THAT IMPOSE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ON THAT PROPERTY TODAY? IT, IT POSSIBLY COULD.
UM, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT THAT THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS ALSO ZONED CR RIGHT.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'VE KIND OF GOT, WE POTENTIALLY, DEPENDING ON WHERE THIS GOES, UM, WOULD HAVE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS ON FRONTING ONTO MARFA.
IF THIS WAS APPROVED TODAY, AND SO R SEVEN FIVE I THINK IS 25 FEET.
AND I I THINK DUPLEX IS ALSO 25.
SO WOULDN'T THOSE BE IN ALIGNMENT AND THEN CR WOULD BE LESS, BUT AGAIN, CR WOULD ALWAYS ALREADY BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE R SEVEN FIVE.
DO I FOLLOW THAT CORRECTLY? YOU ARE FOLLOWING IT CORRECTLY.
AND THEN ON THE QUESTION ON THE BUFFER, AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A, A FUNCTION OF MAYBE HOW ALL OF THIS ZONING GOT LAID OUT, BUT THE R SEVEN FIVE ALREADY PUTS A BUFFERING REQUIREMENT ON THE ADJACENT CR.
SO THERE'S PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY TO THE NORTH, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE THAT SAME BUFFER.
IT'S THE, THE ONE, THE PROPERTY IN BETWEEN, IF YOU WILL, ALONG MARFA THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TWO.
BUT IS THAT A DUPLEX ON THE GROUND TODAY? I THINK IT WAS IN MAYBE YOUR PHOTOS.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD HOW THAT WOULD APPLY.
COMMISSIONER, COULD I TOSS IN ONE MORE THING PLEASE? BECAUSE I, I WAS HELPING OUT WITH THIS ONE A GOOD DAY.
WE ALSO HAVE THE ISSUE OF BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ON SOUTH LANCASTER, AND I THINK THAT'S MORE WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING AT.
BUT WOULD THE DUPLEX WOULD STILL BE, OR WHETHER IT'S DUPLEX, WHETHER IT'S MU IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SIDE YARD BECAUSE OF THE ORIENTATION? CORRECT.
BECAUSE IT HAS, IF, IF LOTS FRONTS LANCASTER, THEN YOU CAN'T USE THE THE SIDE YARD BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THAT FRONTS LANCASTER TO THE NORTH THAT OVERRIDES THE, UH, YOU CAN USE A SIDE SETBACK.
IT, IT STILL NEEDS TO HAVE THAT FRONT BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ON LANCASTER.
SO THE CR WOULD IMPOSE A GREATER SIDE SETBACK.
A D WELL, I I'M TALKING ABOUT A FRONT SETBACK ON LANCASTER.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT USUALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, IT APPLIES THE SIDE SETBACK ON, UM, SAY LIKE A SIDE STREET BECAUSE YOU'RE LONGER, YOUR SHORTER, UH, YARD IS YOUR FRONT SETBACK IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T APPLY WHEN THERE'S A ANOTHER LOT THAT HAS A FRONT YARD ON LANCASTER.
AND SO LANCASTER IS A CR DISTRICT WITH A 15 AND IT'S CURRENTLY A A 15, BUT THE D DISTRICT WOULD APPLY AT 25 TO SOUTH LANCASTER, BUT WOULDN'T, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE ORIENTATION OF THE LOT BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S THE LENGTH OF THE LOT.
SO THE SHORT FACE IS CONSIDERED THE FRONT YARD, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT LANCASTER WOULD BE A SIDE YARD FOR THAT LOT, THE LOT IN QUESTION.
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CAN I ASK, UH, COULD YOU BRING UP THE PICTURE AGAIN OF THE, OF THE UH, THE AERIAL VIEW? YES.THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG MARFA ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY ARE SEVEN FIVE, RIGHT? NO, THERE IS A LOT.
RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF REQUEST, THERE'S ALSO CR AND THE LOTS NEXT TO THAT PARTICULAR LOT ON DOWN ARE ALL R SEVEN FIVE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT, THAT WAS WHERE WE WERE SAYING IT SAW AS DUPLEX USE ON IT.
SO IT'S SIMILAR TO THIS ONE IN THAT YES, VERY SIMILAR.
SO IT'S ALSO ZONED IMPROPERLY, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
SO IT'S, IT'S AT, IT WOULD BE A 15 FOOT, UM, UNDER A REDEVELOPMENT IF, IF THEY WERE REDEVELOPED THE PROPERTY.
IT'S A FRONT SETBACK OF 15 STILL APPLIES EITHER IN THE DUPLEX DISTRICT OR THE MIXED USE OR CR ON LANCASTER TO THE EXISTING CR TO THE EX TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TODAY THEN WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO THAT SAME 15 FOOT? YES.
AND SO, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXISTING BUILDING.
I THINK WE HEARD MS. BRIDGES SAY THAT THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO REUSE THAT SAME BUILDING.
SO THE BUILDING'S NON-CONFORMING TODAY, NOR IS WE HAVE A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE AND A NON-CONFORMING USE ON THIS ACTIVITY.
YOU'RE CORRECT, BOTH OF THOSE.
SO, AND THIS MAY BE, I'M NOT SURE WHO THIS QUESTION WOULD BE FOR.
IF THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO RENOVATE THE PROPERTY NOT BUILD NEW, IS IT NOT CORRECT THAT THEY COULD RENOVATE TODAY? AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT INCREASING.
AND THIS IS PROBABLY A MR. MOORE QUESTION.
IF WE KEEP, IF THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO KEEP THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT IS A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE WITH A NON-CONFORMING USE, BUT DOES NOT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF NON-CONFORMITY THEY COULD RENOVATE TODAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
OR THEY COULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO ENLARGE THEIR NON-CONFORMING USE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER FILED BY COMMISSIONER PLAYER.
THAT, THAT EXACTLY, BECAUSE WHAT I, WHAT WE WERE TOLD, I MEAN, YOU JUST SAID THERE WAS A DUPLEX ALREADY, RIGHT? YES.
IT'S A, IT'S A DUPLEX ALREADY NOW.
THEY'RE NOT USING IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS A DUPLEX, THE STRUCTURE IS CONSIDERED A DUPLEX BECAUSE EXACTLY WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON MEAN, HAMPTON WAS THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IF IT'S ALREADY A DUPLEX AND PRETTY MUCH IT HAS NOT CHANGED, UH, IN USE, WHY ARE, WHY IS SHE HAVING TO GIVE A A ZONING CHANGE? WHAT WAS THE REASONING? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS ZONED CR AND YOU CAN'T HAVE DUPLEX USES ON CR, BUT IF IT'S ALREADY A DUPLEX, IT IS NOT THAT A PRETTY IT'S GRANDFATHERING IN AND IT'S, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NON-CONFORMING, IT'S ALREADY A DUPLEX.
UH, AS GANNA SAID, IT IS A DUPLEX STRUCTURE, UM, BUT THE STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
SO WE HAVE A STRUCTURE AND WE HAVE A USE.
UM, THERE IS NO EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY THAT USE BEING A DUPLEX.
UM, THERE IS A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY TODAY.
SO THE STRUCTURE AS, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON SAID, AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T EXPAND IT BEYOND THE POINT THAT THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR NON-CONFORMING STATUS AS A STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURE CAN CONTINUE, BUT, UM, IT CANNOT BE USED FOR A DUPLEX USE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A NON-CONFORMING USE ON THE STRUCTURE TODAY.
UH, THEREFORE ANY NEW USES ON THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS CR, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW A DUPLEX USE.
AND WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CONFORMING FOR OVER SIX MONTHS.
UH, WE, UH, OVER HERE IN CURRENT PLANNING DON'T CONFIRM, UH, USES OR, OR NON-CONFORMING STATUS.
SO IN, SO IN ORDER FOR IT TO, BEFORE, EVEN IN ORDER FOR A NON-CONFORMING USE TO BECOME, BE, UM, TO FOLLOW UP UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, WOULD NOT IT HAVE TO BE VERIFIED FIRST THAT BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES,
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IF THEY CAN PROVE THAT THEY WERE AN OCCUPIED WITHIN SIX WITH LESS THAN SIX MONTHS, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO COME TO, UH, ZONING CHANGE.I'LL LET, UH, MS. ALL GUY JUMP IN ON THAT.
SO, UM, WITH RESPECT TO DUPLEX USES, UM, THE, THE STANDARD PRACTICE AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS TO SAY THAT IF, IF YOU HAVE A DUPLEX STRUCTURE AND THERE HAS BEEN NO, UM, THERE'S BEEN NO INTENTION OR ACTUAL RECONSTRUCTION TO MAKE IT ANYTHING OTHER THAN A DUPLEX STRUCTURE, TYPICALLY THEY WILL CONTINUE THE DUPLEX USE AS NON-CONFORMING REGARDLESS OF WHEN IT'S BEEN OCCUPIED.
SO THEY, THEY DO HAVE A NON-CONFORMING USE THAT THEY COULD LIKELY, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
HOWEVER, I'M NOT AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES RIGHT NOW AND WE WOULD NEED OFFICIAL DETERMINATION FROM THEM, BUT THAT'S THE PRACTICE.
SO I'M NOT OFFICIALLY A, A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT I WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
AND HOW DID THIS CASE BECOME A ZONING CASE IF IT'S ALREADY A DUPLEX? AND USUALLY WHEN WE GO INTO NONCONFORMING USES AND, UH, WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD THAT THEN HAS TO MATCH THE CURRENT ZONING, IT WOULD FIRST WENT TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHO WOULD SAY, SENT THEM TO ZONING.
BUT IF IT'S ALREADY THAT STRUCTURE, I'VE NEVER SEEN WHERE THEY COULD NOT CONTINUE THAT UNLESS THEY REMODEL, UM, OR ADD TO THAT STRUCTURE.
UM, I REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I DIDN'T RECEIVE LIKE A LAND USE DETERMINATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S GONNA DO ANY TYPE OF REMODELING BECAUSE I DID NOT TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IF SHE'S GONNA REMODEL ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO THIS WASN'T A REFERRAL FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY TYPE OF REFERRAL FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO I SAVED MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT BECAUSE I, I'M CONFUSED HOW THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTINUING USE OF A DUPLEX AND THEY'RE NOW WITH THE ZONING CASE.
SO YEAH, SO, SO, SO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER MIGHT BEST BE ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, BUT REGARDLESS OF ANY, UH, NON-CONFORMING STATUS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST ON THE PROPERTY, UH, GENERALLY FOLKS WHEN THEY PURCHASE A PROPERTY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN USE IT IN CONFORMANCE WITH WHATEVER THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT IS.
UM, SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THIS APPLICANT WOULD WANT TO REZONE IT SO THEY CAN HAVE THAT DUPLEX USE ON THERE.
UH, LEGALLY, LET'S SAY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
I HAVE I THINK ONE FINAL QUESTION.
SO THE MU THAT IS PROPOSED TODAY HAS A FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 15, AND THEN NO SETBACKS REQUIRED ON SIDE UNLESS THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.
THEIR SIDES AT, BASED ON THE LOT ORIENTATION WOULD NOT BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE 15 FEET ON THE CR TO THE NORTH WOULD STILL APPLY TO THE FRONTAGE.
SO IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED, THE USE WOULD THEN BECOME ALLOWED, BUT THE STRUCTURE WOULD REMAIN NON-CONFORMING.
AND THEN, AND I HEARD, AND THIS WILL BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THAT IF THERE WERE A CONSIDERATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS COULD, UM, ADDRESS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENCIES, BUT CANNOT BE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN'T RESOLVE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CR IMPOSING A FRONT YARD ON THE LANCASTER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? MR. CHAIR? I'M SORRY, CAN I MAKE A SMALL CLARIFICATION? I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD COMMISSIONER HAMPTON CORRECTLY, BUT THE DEBT RESTRICTIONS MUST BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE CODE.
SO THE DEBT RESTRICTIONS CANNOT BE MORE PERMISSIVE.
YES, THAT'S IF I SAID IT BACKWARDS, THAT'S WHAT I INTENDED TO SAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WE COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IF, IF WE GO WITH AN MU ONE DESIGNATION, WHICH IS WHAT IS REQUESTED, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A SETBACK.
I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THAT BUFFER YOU TALKED ABOUT.
ASK ME THAT QUESTION ONE MORE TIME.
IF, IF, IF WE GO WITH THE MU ONE DESIGNATION THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED, EVEN WITH A DEED RESTRICTION ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL, ARE YOU STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT, THAT THAT BUFFER THAT DIDN'T YOU SAY THERE WERE SET A SETBACK YES.
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SO I, I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ME ONE IS REALLY NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM THEN, WELL, IN, IN MY OPINION, IT KINDA DOES, UM, BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW HER TO USE THE DUPLEX AND HAVE THE DUPLEX USE.UM, ALSO, AGAIN, IT WILL NOT CAUSE ISSUES WITH THE OTHER USES ALONG THE STREET.
SO THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, I'M RECOMMENDING THE MU INSTEAD OF THE DA BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK ISSUES, ALSO BECAUSE OF BLOCK FACE AND RPS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE HEAR THIS CASE? OKAY, LET'S GET THAT RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE WEST CORNER OF SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD AND MARFA AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS CASE NUMBER 14 Z 2 2 3 2 82.
PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SAY THAT AGAIN, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
SHERRY LEWELLEN, UM, 1739 MAR.
SO, UM, THE REASON I WANTED TO, I I WENT TO THE CITY TO SEE WHAT I CAN DO.
MY MOTHER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 1970, AND I, I'M A REALTOR AND I, UH, RENOVATE PROPERTIES AND STUFF, SO I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
THEY SAID I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING AT THE CITY BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN VACANT A WHILE.
SO AFTER MY MOTHER GOT SICK, IT'S BEEN VACANT, SO THEY TOLD ME I'D HAVE TO, ANYTHING I'D HAVE TO DO, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE CITY.
SO I CAME BACK IN JUNE TO SEE IF I COULD RENOVATE OR REBUILD A NEW STRUCTURE.
AND THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP HERE.
I, I WANNA KNOW THAT WHATEVER I DO WITH IT, IF I WAS EVER TO, YOU KNOW, RESELL IT OR WHATEVER, IT WOULDN'T HAVE, UH, RESTRICTIONS FROM SOMETHING PREVIOUS THAT WAS ZONED.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD, LIKE I SAID, OVER 53 YEARS, SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
I BELIEVE THAT THE ZONING HAS BEEN CHANGED DURING THE PROCESS, BUT IT WASN'T MY PROPERTY, IT WAS MY MOTHER'S PROPERTY.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? IT DOES.
PLEASE STAND BY THERE, THERE SHOULD BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER, ICK, IF, IF I MAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND I KNOW YOU WERE HERE WITH US AT OUR LAST MEETING AS WELL.
UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A DUPLEX? IS THAT YOUR KIND OF INITIAL INTENT? AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOU WANNA ALSO THINK ABOUT LONG TERM, BUT YES.
AND, UH, YOU, I KNOW YOU JUST HEARD ALL OF OUR DISCUSSION AS WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS ARE.
UM, AS BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION, THE BUILDINGS, THE STRUCTURES AREN'T CONFORMING.
AND SO IF YOU, IF THEY'RE REMOVED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT BACK IN COMPLIANCE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A 15 FOOT SETBACK ON LANCASTER.
IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE ANTICIPATED WITH THAT OR RIGHT NOW YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT REBUILDING THE PROPERTY? SO I DON'T, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE AS HOW, WHAT THE SETBACK IS NOW.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO BY AND MAKE SURE BEFORE I SIT 15 FEET, NO.
WELL, I GUESS IF WE WERE TO, LET ME SAY IT DIFFERENTLY THEN MAYBE.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO REUSE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE TODAY? UH, AS SORT OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW I WOULD, BUT I WANT TO,
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UH, HAVE THE OPTION TO REBUILD BRAND NEW.AND IT'S JUST, I THINK AT THAT TIME THAT'S WHEN SOME OF THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, BUT I, AND AGAIN, I THINK STAFF CAN SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL, WE CAN ASK THEM, UM, TO FOLLOW UP THAT WOULD APPLY TODAY AS WELL AS WITH WHAT I THINK IS BEFORE US.
UM, SO DUPLEX USE IN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IS WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY PLANNING TO DO? CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AND THANK YOU TO YOUR MOTHER FOR HER YEARS OF SERVICE TO, UM, THE ANN ARBOR AREA OF THAT, THE CITY.
UM, I FOLLOWED HER FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO I I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TO REPRESENT HER.
UM, CURRENTLY, ARE THE TWO HOUSES CONNECTED OR ARE THEY SEPARATE? SO WHEN WE, UM, FIRST ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, 36 17 SOUTH LANCASTER WAS THE SALON.
IT WAS A HAIR SALON THAT MS. HARRY SOLD TO MY MOM.
AND THEN THERE WAS A DUPLEX FACE MARFA.
AND THEN WE OWN THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS 1735 MARFA, WHICH IS STILL HAS A CR UM, ZONING.
THE 36 17 IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE 1739.
AND, AND, AND THE, THE HOUSE THAT FACES MFA, IS IT A DUPLEX HOME OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING BOTH OF THESE TO BE THAT? NO.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS WITH THE, UH, UH, PROPERTY THEN AT 36 17 SOUTH LANCASTER? THAT WAS A HAIR SALON BEFORE.
WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA USE, WE WEREN'T, WEREN'T GONNA USE THAT AS A BUSINESS ANYMORE.
I JUST WANT TO DO MORE RESIDENTIAL THAN, UM, COMMERCIAL.
SO YOU PLAN TO RENOVATE THAT AS A RESIDENTIAL PURPOSE AS WELL? I CAN.
SO, BUT YOU, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT YOU HAVE NO COMMERCIAL INTENT, UH, TO OPEN THIS.
ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY? THAT IT COULD ONLY BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES? SURE.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? WE CAN CIRCLE BACK IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY AT THIS MOMENT.
YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMING OUT AND I, I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I ADMIRE YOU SO MUCH 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT AND I THINK YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE LAST JUNE.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, AGAIN, I I I'M SORRY WE HELD YOU UP THE LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, DUE TO MY BEING NEW ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION TODAY.
BUT I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE HERE.
SO HAS THE, HAS THE, THE PROPERTY THAT, THAT FACES MARTHA AND LANCASTER EVER BEEN USED FOR COMMERCIAL USE? HAS IT EVER BEEN USED COMMERCIAL UHHUH
SO, SO, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS A DUPLEX? YES.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD LEAD TO, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IT, SO AT SOME POINT IT CHANGED FROM BEING USED RESIDENTIAL AND THEN USED AS A COMMERCIAL USE? YES.
THAT WAS, THAT'S THE REASON NONCONFORMING HAPPENED.
AND IT'S NOT CONNECTED WITH THE, THE SEPARATE, UM, THE STRUCTURE THAT'S IN BETWEEN FLU, ELLEN'S BEAUTY SALON NOW, AND, AND THAT PROPERTY? NO.
SO MY MOTHER PURCHASED 1735 MARFA, 1739 MARFA.
MM-HMM,
AND SO THEY'RE ON THE, BUT THE ONLY STRUCTURE WE'RE DEALING WITH IS THE, THE FORMER DUPLEX? YES.
SO NOW I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GOT HERE, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IT WENT FROM BEING A DUPLEX, SO, SO WE CAN GET IT RIGHT.
AND SO AT SOME POINT IT WENT FROM BEING THE USE OF A DUPLEX TO COMMERCIAL USE AND NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO A DUPLEX OR A SOMETHING IN THIS WITH THE USE OF A U ONE.
COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR, CAN I JUST CLARIFY PLEASE? THE, THE APPLICANT SAID THAT SHE WAS WILLING TO VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS TO PROHIBIT COMMERCIAL USES.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A COMMERCIAL USE IS AND IF THAT MEANS ONLY THE RESI EVERYTHING, BUT RESIDENTIAL USES, THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT, FOR EXAMPLE, CHURCHES AND THERE'S
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FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS TO ALLOW CHURCHES BY.SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS A COMMERCIAL USE AS THE APPLICANT HAS SAID SHE'S WILLING TO VOLUNTEER THAT DEED RESTRICTION, MR. MOORE, COULD, WE, COULD, COULD YOU MAYBE MEET WITH HER ON A SIDEBAR TO CLARIFY EXACTLY THE POTENTIAL LANGUAGE OF A DEED RESTRICTION AND THAT WAY THE, THE COMMISSION WILL, WILL KNOW EXACTLY THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT WE TABLE THE ITEM ITEM FOR A MOMENT? YES, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
OKAY, WELL LET'S DO THAT COMMISSIONER.
SO LET'S, LET'S TABLE THE ITEM FOR THE MOMENT.
UH, LET'S GET THE DEED RESTRICTION LANGUAGE FIGURED OUT AND THEN WE CAN, UH, CONSIDER THAT.
PLEASE MEET WITH MR. MOORE HERE ON THE SIDE, THIS COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONERS.
WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK THEN.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD, UH, MR. MOORE AND THE APPLICANT NEEDS A LITTLE MORE TIME, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA TABLE THE ITEM FOR THE MOMENT AND WE WILL COME BACK TO IT.
UM, WE ARE ON THE RECORD IS 1:54 PM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
WE DO HAVE NINE COMMISSIONERS COM COMMISSIONERS.
UH, WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 15.
SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE TABLED ITEMS 13 AND 14.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT THAT.
UH, MR. MOORE STILL WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT, SO WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT CASE.
UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER 15,
[15. 24-863 An application for an MU-2 Mixed Use District on property zoned an RR Regional Retail District, on the west line of Upton Street, between East Clarendon Drive and Viola Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: 935 Clarendon LLC Representative: Paul Carden Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: January 18, 2024 and February 15, 2024. Council District: 4 Z223-299(LC)]
MR. CLINTON.HOW ARE YOU SIR? GOOD, THANK YOU.
UH, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 15, UH, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 99.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF UPTON STREET BETWEEN EAST CLARENDON DRIVE AND VIOLA STREET.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
PLEASE PUT THAT ON A MICROPHONE.
OH, I DID HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I DIDN'T NEED TO GET THAT SET UP.
I THINK WE HAD A, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FOR OUR FOLKS ONLINE.
WE'RE GONNA GET A PRESENTATION ONLINE.
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OKAY.UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE EVERYONE.
PAUL CARIN, 2007 HARLANDALE AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 6.
WE'RE GONNA GO OVER CASE CONTEXT HERE.
UH, FOR THOSE WHO MISSED THE LAST ONE.
SO JUST GO OVER THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
IT'S A HALF AN ACRE SITE ZONE REGIONAL RETAIL, UM, WITHIN 500 FEET OF A RAIL STATION.
UM, CURRENT HEIGHT AND BEST USE IS FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S APPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO
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A REGIONAL AMENITY.UH, AND IT IS A POOR PRESENTATION FOR GOOD LAND USE STAIRS.
I WANNA CHANGE THIS TO MIXED USE.
TWO TO ENABLE FOR 26, UH, 26 BOUTIQUE APARTMENTS AND WITH A FUTURE CAPACITY FOR SMALL AMOUNTS OF OFFICE AND RETAIL.
SO FURTHER CONTEXT, THE YELLOW IS WHERE THE DART STATION IS.
UH, BOTH, UH, ITEMS IN LIGHT BLUE ARE FOR, UH, FUTURE OFFICE AND RETAIL CONVERSIONS.
SO THIS SITE, UM, WAS, WE HAD TO WORK WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
THERE'S A SLIGHT BIT OF IT THAT'S KIND OF CUT OFF, UM, BUT WE'RE STILL ABLE TO GET QUITE A BIT.
UM, SO AGAIN, HERE'S A LAYOUT FRONTING ALONG CLA AND DRIVE REQUIRE MINIMUM, MINIMUM SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS, UH, AROUND A PERIMETER.
UM, AND WE'RE REALLY KINDA LIMITED BY PARKING REGULATIONS RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN EITHER DO HOUSING OR RETAIL, BUT NOT BOTH.
UH, BUT AS THE AREA BECOMES MORE WALKABLE, WE CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED.
UH, AGAIN, MORE OF THE CONCEPTUAL OVERVIEW.
AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE END OF IT, BUT NEXT SLIDE.
SINCE WE WERE DEFERRED, UM, I HAD ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING.
I CALLED 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND APOLOGIZED FOR THE DELAY.
UM, THEY WERE NOT TOO THRILLED.
UH, I ALSO CALLED BRENTWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, SO I WENT 10TH STREET.
INVITED ME TO JUST COME OUT AND LET EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT THE DELAY AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CASE.
NEXT SLIDE, JUST TO BE EXTRA THOROUGH, I EVEN WENT TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HELM DIRECTLY IN CASE THEY MISSED THE MEETING TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T LEAVE ANYONE OUT.
UM, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT, UH, THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEIR SUPPORT.
WENT TO THE HOUSE, EXPLAINED THE PLANS DIRECTLY, AND NEXT SLIDE.
AND EVEN TOOK SELFIES JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW, WE WERE ACTUALLY ON SITE DIRECTLY, UM, AND GETTING DIRECT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, PER 10 STREET'S CONCERNS.
THEY'RE LIKE, UH, LARRY JOHNSON, I BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT AND THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
PLEASE DO NOT DELAY THE DISCUSSION AND RULING ON THE CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 DASH 2 99.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? ANYONE HERE LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.
PAUL, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE, IT WAS IN A FLOODPLAIN AND YOU HAD TO DO, THERE WAS SOME MITIGATION EFFORT.
SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT PLEASE? UH, SURE.
SO DUE TO THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT OVER THERE, CEDAR CREEK IS PRONE TO, UH, FLOODING.
UM, SO ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, I CAN DO QUITE A BIT TO DO SOME FLOOD MITIGATION FOR THAT SITE AND HAVE ON SITE DRAINAGE.
UM, THIS ALLOWS US TO KIND OF RECLAIM MOST, BUT NOT ALL OF THE SITE AND SOME OF THE SITE HAS TO REFLECT THE DESIGN LIMITATIONS OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
THAT'S WHY THE SECTION CLOSEST TO THE ALLEY DOESN'T HAVE A STRUCTURE ON IT.
AND YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE REASON FOR NOT DOING ANY, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, ELEMENT TO THIS PROJECT IN THE, ON THE FIRST PHASE IS, IS DUE TO PARKING.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? OH, SURE.
SO EVEN WITH THE PARKING REDUCTIONS, UH, BEING ADJACENT TO THE RAIL STATION, IF I TRY TO PUT IN ONE RESTAURANT, UM, ONE RESTAURANT AT 2000 SQUARE FEET WILL REQUIRE 20 PARKING SPACES, WHICH EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES I HAVE HERE.
IF I TRY TO PUT THAT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH, WHICH IS QUITE COMMON FOR A SINGLE USE RESTAURANT, THAT WOULD MEAN THE MOST I COULD PUT THERE IS JUST 2000 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT IN THAT CONFIGURATION BY DOING HOUSING FIRST AND THEN ALLOWING THE AREAS TO BECOME A WALK WHEN PUTTING OFFICE AND RETAIL.
SECOND, THIS WILL ALLOW BOTH THE RESTAURANT TO EXIST LONG TERM AS WELL AS HOUSING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAY WORK THERE OR WORK, UH, NEARBY.
SO YOU'RE, THE PHASE TWO WOULD INVOLVE SOME TYPE OF RESTAURANT YOU'RE SAYING, OR, OR, OR OFFICE.
A FUTURE PHASE WOULD ENABLE THE CONVERSION OF A COUPLE OF THOSE GROUND FLOOR UNITS AS THE, AS THE MARKET DICTATES, BUT IT'S DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR HOUSING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? CAN I MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, WE'RE GONNA GO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REAL QUICK.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER FORESITE, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 99, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSYTH FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? UM,
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I JUST WANNA THANK MR. CARDIN FOR YOUR CREATIVITY, YOUR VISION.THANK YOU FOR BUILDING HOUSING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TENACITY THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND YOUR PATIENCE.
THANKS FOR THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
UH, I THINK IT'S AN EXEMPLARY CASE AND AN EXEMPLARY USE, SO KEEP IT UP.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? THANK YOU MR. CAR.
AND FOR, FOR EVERY PROJECT THAT YOU BRING, THAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE A THOUGHT OUT PROCESS OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY MIGHT NEED, WHAT THE FUTURE IS.
UM, AND NOT ONLY ARE YOU BUILDING YOUR DEVELOPER THAT BUILDS FOR WHAT THE HOUSING AND INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT YOU ALSO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AS WELL AS WHAT YOU MIGHT PROFIT.
AND OFTENTIMES WE DON'T GET THAT.
AND IN THAT AREA, UM, IT NEEDS SOMEONE THAT CARES SO THAT IT WON'T HAVE A FULL GENTRIFICATION.
UM, AND YOU DO SUCH A GREAT, EVERY PROJECT YOU BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN THOUGHT OUT AND CONSIDERED FROM ALL THE WAY AROUND, NOT JUST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE OR OTHER DEVELOPERS, BUT TRULY WITH THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED.
DO YOU ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
KNOW THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
CONGRATULATIONS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
[16. 24-864 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1495 for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern and a commercial amusement (inside) limited to a Class A dance hall on property zoned a CC Community Commercial Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the east corner of Al Lipscomb Way and Meadow Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to amended conditions. Applicant: Rodney Griffin Representative: Louvada Jones Planner: Martin Bate U/A From: January 18, 2024 and February 1, 2024. Council District: 7 Z223-309(MB)]
TO CASE NUMBER 16 Z 2 2 3 3 0 9.THIS IS ITEM 16, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 9.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 4 9 5 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONE TO CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 9 5, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON EAST CORNER OF COMB WAY AND MEADOW STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD REPRESENTING? YES.
A FIRST OF ALL FOR THE BLUES PALACE, LOCATED AT 3,100 EL LIPSCOMB WAY.
UM, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON BEHALF OF THE BLUES PALACE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MS. JONES? I HAVE, YES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY HANDS WITH YOU? I'M SORRY.
THAT WAS, DID YOU BRING ANY HINS WITH YOU? THANK YOU.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS A FIELD TRIP ONE DAY OFF.
IT'S A, THE ULTIMATE INSIDE JOKE.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 9, I MOVE TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR, UH, PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY OF AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR SUBJECT TO THE AMENDED CONDITIONS.
AND IF I CAN GET A SECOND AND I HAVE COMMENTS, YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER WEER, I WANNA FIRST THANK YOU AND MR. GRIFFIN FOR MOVING IN A TIMELY MANNER.
UM, CONSIDERING ALWAYS BEING A BUSINESS THAT HAS, THAT BRINGS, UH, LITTLE DRAMA TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU'RE THE BUSINESS IS, IS UPSTANDING.
WE, THERE WAS A FEW ISSUES THAT WE JUST WANTED THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS, BUT NOTHING THAT WAS SO SUBSTANTIATING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CLOSE THE HISTORIC BLUES PALACE DOWN.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING WITH US AND SPEAKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE HOPE THAT GOING FORWARD, THAT YOU ALL CONTINUE TO, UM, BE GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS, UM, FOR LONG, FOR ANOTHER 20 SOMETHING YEARS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.
ON A SERIOUS NOTE, I DO ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU AND, UM, THANK
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THE BUSINESS FOR BEING A, A, A CENTER FOR, UH, COMMUNITY FOR THE SOUTHERN DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD AND AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.I HAVE FAMILY THAT COME TO TOWN AND WANT TO GO TO BLUES PALACE 'CAUSE THEY'VE HEARD ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING THERE AND BEING, UM, INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE SERVING, UM, BECAUSE WE SEE IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SEE NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[17. 24-865 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1532 for convalescent and nursing homes, hospice care, and related institutions on property zoned a CC Community Commercial Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the north corner of Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard and South Malcom X Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a ten-year period with eligibility for automatic renewal for additional ten-year periods, subject to amended conditions. Owner/Applicant: Fairpark Senior Care Center LLC Representative: Emily Bowlin, Gray Reed & McGraw LLP Planner: Wilson Kerr U/A From: February 1, 2024. Council District: 7 Z223-330(WK)]
COMMISSIONERS.NUMBER 17, THIS IS, UH, Z 2 2 3 3 30.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE.
PERMIT NUMBER 1532 FOR CONVALESCENT IN NURSING HOMES, HOSPICE CARE AND RELATED INSTITUTIONS.
THE PROPERTY ZONED A CC, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT, THEN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
BOULEVARD AND SOUTH MALCOLM X BOULEVARD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IS IT ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE? YES.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT I WORK AT GRAY REED.
BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
AND I AM HERE TODAY JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE SUP.
UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED AS A NURSING HOME SINCE THE EARLY 1980S.
THAT IS THE FORESEEABLE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY, UM, BEYOND 10 YEARS.
SO IF WE COULD GET AN SUP FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
OBVIOUSLY WE WILL GLADLY ACCEPT 10 IF THAT IS WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DO.
BUT THAT IS WHAT I'M HERE TO ASK FOR.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.
THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. BOLAND? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.
UM, ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE I CALLED YOU IS BECAUSE YOU ALL WERE SEEKING A LONGER SUP.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU ALL BEEN IN THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY? SINCE 1983 IS WHAT I BELIEVE, BUT I MAY BE OFF A YEAR OR TWO.
AND HAVE YOU FACED ANY TYPE OF CLOSURE FROM THE STATE WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD? SO I HAVEN'T REPRESENTED LIKE THE SAME OPERATOR THE WHOLE TIME, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR SOMEBODY I'VE NEVER REPRESENTED, BUT THIS MY CLIENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY, UM, OPPOSITION HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS PROJECT TODAY OR ONLINE? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR QUESTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE IN SUPPORT THE APPLICANT? ANYBODY? I'LL HAND IT BACK TO THE CHAIR.
'CAUSE HE'S, HE'S, HE'S GOOD AT THIS.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE TIMEFRAME.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF CASE SEVEN Z 2 2 3 DASH 3 3 0, I MOVE TO ENCLO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OVER APPROVAL WITH AMENDED, UM, PERIOD OF 20 YEARS WITH THE ELIGIBILITY OF AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, 20 YEARS SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
YOU, UH, YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.
WE IN SOUTH DALLAS, WE ONLY HAVE TWO, UM, TWO NURSING HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN A STAPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY, WHERE IT IS EASY ACCESS FOR THOSE WHO ARE THERE.
MOST OF THEIR, UM, RESIDENTS ARE MEMBERS OR FOR OR OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO BEING HOME AND BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO FAMILY IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT WHEN SO MANY OF OUR NURSING HOMES ARE NOT IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND IT A LACK OF OF TIMES OUR, OUR ELDERLY, UH, AND
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HANDICAP, UM, RESIDENTS GO WITHOUT VISITATIONS, WHICH DOES NOT IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.IT HAVING THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY TO FAMILY MEMBERS ACTUALLY IMPROVES, UH, THE QUALITY OF LIFE WHILE IN THAT SITUATION.
SO THE REASONING, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR 1983.
THEY, I'VE NEVER KNOWN TO HAVE ANY ISSUES.
I'VE BEEN IN SOUTH DALLAS SINCE 1976.
I'M 47, SO I'VE BEEN THERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
AND THIS IS ONLY ONE OF TWO FACILITIES, UM, THAT OPERATE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, SEEING NONE IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 2 99 HAVE, OH, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT CASE.
Z 2 2, 3, 3 3 HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A 20 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 20 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO
[13. 24-861 An application for an amendment to Planned Development District No. 514, on the east line of Hillcrest Road, between La Bolsa Drive and Arapaho Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval subject to an amended development plan, a landscape plan for the natatorium, an amended traffic management plan, and amended conditions. Applicant: Shubham Pandey, SS Education Foundation Representative: Allan Ross Planner: Andreea Udrea U/A From: February 1, 2024. Council District: 11 Z223-147(AU)]
THE FIRST CASE THAT WE, UH, TABLED.CASE NUMBER 13 ON PAGE SIX Z 2 23.
UM, IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PD FIVE 14 THAT HAS TWO TRACKS.
IS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ARAPAHO ROAD AND HILLCREST ROAD ON THE EAST LINE OF HILLCREST ROAD.
BETWEEN LA ALSA DRIVE AND ARAPAHO ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 12 8 12 0.6 ACRES.
UM, IT'S IN, UH, FAR NORTH DALLAS.
UM, THIS IS A IMAGE OF AN AREA, THE AERIAL AND THE ZONING MAP SIDE BY SIDE.
THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST.
THERE'S A SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS, UH, IN A CHURCH ACROSS FROM, UH, HILLHURST AVENUE, DUPLEX TO THE SOUTH, AND MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH.
UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND.
THE SITE IS OPERATED BY, CURRENTLY BY AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL, PIONEER TECHNOLOGY AND ARTS ACADEMY, PTAA THAT, UM, UH, HAS CLASSES FROM PRESCHOOL TO 12TH GRADE.
THIS PD CONTAINS TWO LOTS, TWO TRACKS.
THEY ARE, AS YOU SAW ON THE MAP, THEY ARE LIKE ON EACH SIDE OF HILLCREST.
UH, ONE IS WHERE THE BUILDING IS.
IN HEIGHT IS AN EXISTING BUILDING AND THE OTHER ONE HAS ONLY THE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND SOME VERY SMALL FOR ONE STORY BUILDINGS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST, WHAT TRIGGERED THE REQUEST WITH US IS THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL WANTS TO ADD AUDITORIUM, UM, IN, UM, ON TRACK TO ONE.
AND BECAUSE THE PD IS VERY SPECIFIC WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IT ALLOWS, AND, UH, BECAUSE IT HAS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT TRIGGERED A, A FULL AMENDMENT.
PD FIVE 14, UH, WAS CREATED IN 1998.
IT HAD A DEVELOPMENT SLASH LANDSCAPE PLAN, VERY, VERY DETAILED.
UM, WE APPROVED THE TEXT AMENDMENT IN 2020.
UM, WHEN THE PD WAS CREATED, IT WAS CREATED FOR A CHURCH AND A CHARTER SCHOOL.
OH, I'M HOPING I'M STILL GONNA HAVE BATTERY.
UH, IT WAS, UH, APPROVED FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND A CHURCH IN 2020.
THE CHURCH, UH, THE SCHOOL CHANGED HANDS TO A CHARTER SCHOOL.
SO WE DID AN AMENDMENT TO ALSO ALLOW THE CHARTER SCHOOLS BY.
UM, AND THEN WE HAD SOME MINOR AMENDMENTS BEFORE, BEFORE 2020.
THE FORMER PRIVATE SCHOOL OCCUPIED THE CAMPUS SINCE 1990 TILL 2020.
AND NOW WE HAVE THE CHARTER SCHOOL.
GOOGLE IMAGES ARE WAY BETTER BECAUSE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND WIDER ANGLE.
CAN I KINDLY ASK TO ALLOW ME TO PUT MY LEFT LAPTOP TO CHARGE? I'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
COULD YOU WANT ME? WHAT CASE? WHICH CASE ARE WE ON RIGHT NOW? SORRY.
DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW THE DIRT? NO, I DON'T.
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CAN YOU KICK ME OUT SO I CAN SHARE FROM HERE? OH, MY APOLOGIES.THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT IT OF CORNER OF ARAPAHO AND HILLCREST.
YOU CAN SEE JUST THE CORNER IS A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER BUILDING.
NO CHANGES TO THAT PORTION IS PROPOSED.
UM, THIS IS THE SITE FROM ARAPAHO ROAD.
THE BACK, THAT PARKING LOT THAT YOU SEE THERE IS THE, WHERE THE NATATORIUM WILL BE ADDED ACROSS THE STREET ON ARAPAHO SOUTH OF THE SITE.
THIS IS A VIEW ON THE PARKING LOT, AS YOU CAN SEE.
FURTHER DOWN BEHIND THE BUILDING IS WHERE THE NATATORIUM WILL BE PLACED.
UM, ANOTHER VIEW FURTHER DOWN ON OUR, APART FROM ARAPAHO ROAD, THIS IS HILLCREST AVENUE OF FULLON, UH, VIEW OF THE SCHOOLS FRONTAGE ACROSS THE STREET.
A CHURCH IN THE RETAIL CENTER.
LA ALSA DRIVE BEHIND THE SCHOOL.
YOU CAN SEE THE CORNER WITH THE VEGETATION.
THE SCHOOL'S PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM AL LABA'S, UH, REAR OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THIS IS A BETTER VIEW FROM A LITTLE, UH, DOWN THE ROAD ON LABA DRIVE WITH THEIR ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT.
THAT BIG PARKING LOT WEIGH A LITTLE BIT IN THE BACK IS WHERE THE NOT AUDITORIUM WILL BE PLACED.
THIS IS THE TRACK ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THERE ARE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
I'LL MAKE A NOTE TO SAY THAT THE PRI UH, THE CHARTER SCHOOL PTA IS NOT USING THESE ATHLETIC FIELDS RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT LANDSCAPE PLAN, AS I WAS MAKING A NOTE, IS VERY DETAILED.
IT'S BASICALLY A LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE TMP OR LENS DEVELOPMENT PLAN ALL IN ONE, BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING THE AUDITORIUM IN THE BACK.
WE NEEDED TO COMPLETELY REPLACE THE EXHIBIT.
WE TRIED TO SURVEY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THE EXISTING LOCATION.
KEEP AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THIS WAS A VERY, VERY DETAILED WORK.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE NOTED ON THE BUILDING, ALSO INCLUDES, UH, SHOW SOME LANDSCAPING.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, AS IT WAS UPDATED THIS WEEK.
THE ONLY UPDATE FROM THE DOCKET, AS I SAID, IS I ASKED THE APPLICANT TO ADD THE HEIGHTS, THE, ON THE EXISTING BUILDING, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, IF SOMETHING CHANGES, IT WILL TRIGGER A FULL AMENDMENT.
YOU CAN CAN SEE THE BUILDING, THE NATATORIUM IN THE BACK IS GONNA BE 45 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS 44 ANYWAY, ONLY A LITTLE CORNER ON ARAPAHO AND HILLCREST REACHES UP TO 98.
UM, THEY ARE TAKEN OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE EXISTING PARKING.
THE OTHER PARKING IS GONNA REMAIN.
AS I WAS SAYING, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS PRETTY DETAILED.
WE TRY TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE DETAILS OF, UM, THE ORIGINAL ONE.
THE ONLY CHANGE WE DID IS WE SAID THAT THE SITE WILL HAVE TO DEFAULT TO ARTICLE 10 TO ALLOW THEM TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, UH, WHEN THEY ARE DOING ANY KIND OF WORK OR EVEN MAINTENANCE.
HOWEVER, FOR THE NATATORIUM, THE ONLY PORTION THAT IS CANNOT COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 10 IS THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE ARE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND.
BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONCERN BECAUSE THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S IN THE BACK, THEY ALREADY HAVE A PARK, A STRIPPED, HEAVILY LANDSCAPED AREA.
SO IT'S ENOUGH LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
HOWEVER, WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT TO COMPENSATE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE TREES IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
AND THEY ARE PROPOSING SIX, UH, MAJOR NEW, UH, LARGE, UM, MEDIUM OR LARGE TREES AROUND THE NOT AUDITORIUM, WHICH IS, UH, I WOULD SAY IN LIEU OF THE BUFFER AND AN IMPROVEMENT, OBVIOUSLY.
UH, NOW THE PD CONDITIONS, I KNOW THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE HELD IT LAST TIME.
WE HAD, I HAD MEETINGS, UH, WITH THE, THE COMMISSIONER WITH THE COMMUNITY.
I ALSO TALKED TO THE APPLICANT.
AS I EXPLAINED IN MY STAFF REPORT.
THE PD CONDITIONS WERE WRITTEN IN 1998.
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WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE THINGS, A LOT OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.UM, BUT ONE, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONE IS A RECENT STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES US FOR THE PURPOSES OF ZONING, PERMITTING, DEVELOPMENT TO TREAT CHARTER SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS THE SAME.
SO THEREFORE, SOME OF THE MORE RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS CANNOT BE TRANSLATED TO A CHARTER SCHOOL BECAUSE, UH, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE A DIRECT OR AN INDIRECT CAP ON ENROLLMENT OR CURRICULUM, WHICH IS AGAIN, SOMETHING WE CANNOT DO PER STATE LAW WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
UM, ANOTHER CATEGORY OF CHANGES WERE JUST, AGAIN, WE DON'T DO, AS, YOU KNOW, YARD LOT SPACE REGULATIONS PER THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITHOUT WRITING WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS.
SO IT TOOK A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND GUESSING IN TRYING TO BASICALLY CODIFY A DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN AN EXISTING BUILDING.
SO THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED, I WOULD SAY ALMOST ALL BY, BUT ONE, UM, CHANGE THAT STAFF, UH, PROPOSED.
BUT I, IF YOU CAN SEE IN THE TABLE THERE, I BASICALLY TRIED TO CODIFY THE EXISTING BUILDING AND TO JUST MAKE ROOM FOR THE NATATORIUM, THE BIGGEST
THEREFORE, I ENDED UP WITH ALSO SHOWING HEIGHTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
'CAUSE IT, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO CODIFY THE EXISTING BUILDING SIMPLY ENOUGH.
BUT, UM, AND YOU WOULD SEE LIKE ALSO THE PD INCLUDES A CAP ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH AGAIN, IT KIND OF LIKE LIMITS ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE WITH THE BUILDING.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGE WOULD BE THE PD CONTAINS PARKING RATIOS FOR SCHOOLS FOR ELEMENTARY, UH, AND KINDERGARTEN.
AND MIDDLE SCHOOL IS THE SAME AS BASE CODE, BUT FOR HIGH SCHOOL, UH, IT'S PER STUDENT.
AND THEN ALSO IT HAS A RATIO PER EMPLOYEES.
THIS IS A DIRECT, DIRECT CAP, BASICALLY ON ENROLLMENT AND ON, UH, FA ON CURRICULUM.
SO THEREFORE WE DECIDED TO GO BA BACK AND JUST, UM, DEFAULT TO THE BASE CODE.
NOW IF YOU ARE TO COMPARE AGAIN, THERE ARE 500 MORE THAN 500 SPACES ON SITE.
NOW WITH THE NATATORIUM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 423 REQUIRED PER THE PDS 330.
AND THEN IF WE GO BACK TO CODE IS 1 93.
SO THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER PARKED.
AND AS YOU SAW ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO ANY CHANGES TO THE PARKING LOT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE TIED TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN CONFIGURATION AS WELL.
SO, UM, THEREFORE WE ARE PROPOSING A PARKING RATIO THAT IS PER CODE.
OTHER CHANGES, AS I SAID, I TOOK THE LANDSCAPE OUT TO ALLOW ARTICLE 10 TO APPLY, UM, IN CASE THEY EVER WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES.
ARTICLE 10 IS A LITTLE BIT, REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S ONE SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CHANGE.
UM, I JUST CODIFIED THE ALLOT IN SPACE.
I EXPLAINED PARKING, I UPDATED THE LANGUAGE FOR HOURS OF OPERATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT INDIRECT CAP ON ENROLLMENT.
WE DON'T MESS WITH ANY OF THAT, BUT I ALLOWED THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE TO STILL, UM, BE A REQUIREMENT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL.
SAME, UM, FOR ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS THAT HAD CAP ON THE SEATING.
UM, FOR ATHLETIC STADIUMS, I CODIFIED THE NATATORIUM AS I EXPLAINED.
AND, UM, ANOTHER PROVISION THAT I TOOK OUT WAS, THERE IS A PROVISION THERE THAT SAYS THAT TRACK TWO CANNOT BE MODIFIED VIA MINOR AMENDMENTS.
WHICH AGAIN, WE DON'T NECESSARILY PUT THOSE IN PDS ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO TRUST OUR PROCESSES.
SO WE WOULD PREFER TO TRUST OURSELVES.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE TMP WAS UPDATED TO JUST, UM, SHOW HOW THE CIRCULATION IS GONNA HAPPEN.
THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT, UM, I WANTED TO AGAIN, BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
SO FOR THE BAND PRACTICE, WE KEPT THE HOURS TO APPLY TO BOTH TYPE OF SCHOOLS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FURTHER LIMITATIONS, HOW MANY PRACTICES PER YEAR AND ONE PER TWO PER WEEK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE LEFT IT ONLY FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
AND THE SAME WITH THE CAP ON THE SITTING ON THE BLEACHERS.
THIS IS THE EXISTING TMP, UH, THE NATATORIUM IS GONNA BE PLACED IN HERE.
SO THEY NEEDED TO BASICALLY REDIRECT, UM, SOME OF THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION.
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WE REVISED THAT IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.UM, IT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE ANY ADDITIONAL CUES.
IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE WAY THE TRAFFIC FLOWS.
THEIR PARKING LOT IN LAA IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE THAT IT ALLOWS TO COMPENSATE, UM, IN CASE THERE IS, UM, MORE TRAFFIC.
AND WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND IN OUR OBSERVATIONS, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT, HOW TRAFFIC IS HANDLED.
THIS BEING SAID, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDMENT.
UM, AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS BRIEFED ALINSKY PLAN FOR THE NATATORIUM AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS ALL AS BRIEFED.
I KNOW YOU HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS CASE AND I THINK IT'S COME A LONG WAY.
WE DON'T HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THEY UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THE CHANGES AND THE CHANGES HAVE DEFINITELY GOTTEN A LOT MORE LIMITED.
SO THIS IS SORT OF A PECULIAR CASE WHERE WE HAVE A VERY OLD PD AND THE CURRENT USE IS, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH IT BEING AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL VERSUS THE ORIGINAL, UH, PRIVATE SCHOOL.
SO JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AND DANIEL FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME.
UM, AND I DO THINK THIS WAS IN GOOD SHAPE NOW.
COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT, I CAN'T HELP BUT ASK THIS QUESTION.
AS A FORMER MARCHING BAND MEMBER, THE, UM, THE, THE LIMITATION ON OUTDOOR REHEARSALS, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, NEGOTIATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE, UH, I MEAN YES TO ALL, BUT WITH THIS AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, WE SPLIT THEM A LITTLE BIT.
SO YES, IT WAS, THEY WERE NEGOTIATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN 1998.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE OF THE OPINION THAT MARCHING BAND MUSIC EVERY MORNING IS A GREAT THING, BUT
RUDA? OKAY, CAN WE GET THAT REREAD INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE, DR.
RUDA, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE HEARING.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 13 Z 2 2 3 1 47 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE 14 ON THE EAST LINE OF HILLCREST ROAD BETWEEN LA ALSA DRIVE AND AR PAHO ROAD STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDMENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS BRIEFED ALINSKY PLAN FOR THE NATATORIUM, AN AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, ANY LAST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? YES.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 1 45, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS BRIEFED A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AN AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND STAFF'S AMENDED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE TO NOT DELETE SUBSECTION C AND SECTION 51 P DASH FIVE 14.1 16.
AND THIS CHANGE IS INTENDED TO LEAVE THE LOCATION OF THE PRESS BOX AND THE BLEACHERS AND SPECIFY THEY CANNOT BE ALTERED TO THE MINOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER CHORE, UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 4 7, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TREK TWAY.
I WILL SECOND IT MYSELF TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
FALSE TO RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN AND AUDITORIUM AND AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED WITH THE CHANGE TO, UH, THE SUBSECTION C AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CHAD WHITE, UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL GO AHEAD AND STAY ON ON PAGE SIX AND TAKE THE OTHER CASE THAT WE TABLED.
[14. 24-862 An application for an MU-1 Mixed Use District on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, on the west corner of South Lancaster Road and Marfa Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Uptown Reinvestment, LLC Representative: Sherry Flewellen Planner: Giahanna Bridges U/A From: January 18, 2024 and February 15, 2024. Council District: 4 Z223-282(GB) ( Part of 2 )]
14, WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT CASE.WE'RE PLEASE, I THINK WE HAVE SOME CLARIFICATIONS FROM STAFF.
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SIR.UM, SO SEVERAL POINTS OF CLARIFICATION TO MAKE, UM, ON THIS CASE BEFORE IT GOES ANY FURTHER, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, WHOEVER NEEDS TO WORK OUT THE, UH, POSSIBILITY OF DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THIS CASE THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENED.
UM, I DID JUST WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT STAFF IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
UM, STAFF IS RARELY IN SUPPORT OF DEED RESTRICTIONS.
UM, POINT OF CLARIFICATION ABOUT, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY IS THIS DUPLEX USE ON THIS PROPERTY THAT'S SO CR TODAY? UH, SO THE PREVIOUS CHAPTER, 51 VERSION OF CR UH, IF YOU GUYS WILL RECALL CHAPTER 51, WAS A CUMULATIVE ZONING CODE.
UM, SO RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, WOULD BE PERMITTED IN CR.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THAT JUST SORT OF CARRIED OVER TO THE TRANSFER, UH, TRANSFER TO CHAPTER 51 A IN 1987.
SO THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS WHY WE HAVE THIS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
UM, A FEW DISTINCTIONS TO MAKE ABOUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR AN MU ONE DISTRICT VERSUS THIS POSSIBILITY OF A DA DUPLEX DISTRICT.
UM, MU ONE, UH, WOULD REQUIRE A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD ON MARFA, UH, DUE TO THAT BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY WITH THE R 75 A ZONE PROPERTY, UH, TO THE WEST.
UH, IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A 15 FOOT FRONT YARD ON LANCASTER.
SO THAT'S 25 FEET ON MARFA, 15 FEET ON LANCASTER.
UH, DUPLEX WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THOSE EXACT SAME SETBACKS, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE 25 FOOT ON MARFA.
UM, AND THEN TO, DUE TO THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ALONG LANCASTER, A 15 FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE REQUIRED THERE AS WELL.
SO THOSE SETBACKS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME IN EITHER OF THESE POTENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, AND LIKE WE STATED EARLIER, EITHER SCENARIO WOULD LEAD TO A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, WHETHER A DUPLEX DISTRICT IS APPROVED OR AN MU ONE DISTRICT IS APPROVED, THAT WOULD MAKE THE DUPLEX USE, UH, CONFORMING AND EITHER SCENARIO.
ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT A SINGLE FAMILY USE WOULD BE PERMITTED IN BOTH MU ONE AND UH, A DUPLEX DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, UM, AS STAFF STATES IN THEIR REPORT, AN MU ONE DISTRICT IS SUPPORTED BY THE LANCASTER CORRIDOR TOD AREA PLAN.
UH, THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE ALSO SUPPORTS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR AN MU ONE DISTRICT.
IT'S ALSO WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF A LIGHT RAIL STATION.
AND IF YOU GUYS WILL RECALL FROM THE AERIAL MAP, UH, THE CASE PLANNER HAD IN HER PRESENTATION, THERE IS A LIGHT RAIL LINE DIRECTLY ON LANCASTER ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
ALL OF THAT SUPPORTS, UM, A MIXED USE DISTRICT HERE.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE SETBACKS, ALTHOUGH THIS SINGLE LOT IF SEWN TO MU ONE, UH, WOULD BE FAIRLY LIMITED, UH, BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO SETBACKS ON THESE STREETS, UM, THAT MU ONE ZONING COULD BE EXPANDED IN THE FUTURE TO THE OTHER CR LOT THAT'S ON THIS BLOCK FACE TO THE WEST.
BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT R 75, UH, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A BIGGER CHUNK OF MU ONE ZONING, UH, IN THIS AREA THAT, AGAIN, IS SUPPORTED BY MBU ONE ZONING IN THE FUTURE, UH, IF THE PROPERTY WERE REDEVELOPED EITHER BY THE CURRENT OWNER OR A FUTURE OWNER.
UM, SO HOWEVER YOU GUYS DELIBERATE, THAT'S NOT MY BUSINESS, BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE THOSE POINTS OF CLARIFICATION, UM, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
UH, MS. BRIDGES, I I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE SOME, UH, VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS AND IF SO, WE NEED TO GET THOSE READ INTO THE RECORD AND THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD BY THE APPLICANT.
SO I AM OPEN FOR THE RESTRICTIONS TO BE TO PROHIBIT ALL RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESS SERVICE USES.
WE'LL GET YOU A COPY ON IT FOR THE RECORD.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION? ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE.
YOU KNOW, IS WE TABLED THIS FOR A FEW MINUTES, SO REMIND ME, WHAT, WHAT PURPOSE ARE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS SERVING? I MEAN, WE JUST HEARD FROM MR. MULKEY ABOUT THE LANCASTER ROAD CORRIDOR AND THE ASPIRATIONS OF THE PLAN AND THE, AND SO WHAT WE, WE'VE JUST GUTTED THE LANCASTER ROAD PLAN WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
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ONE OF MANY REASONS WHY STAFF IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.SO WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING, IF I MAY PLEASE COMMISSIONER THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
HERE IS A DUPLEX UNIT AND MS. SULE PLANS TO RENOVATE THAT PROPERTY AND, AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A DUPLEX UNIT.
SO OBVIOUSLY AS THIS CR TODAY IS A NON-CONFORMING LAND USE, MY UNDERSTANDING, I'M JUST LEARNING THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT ON MARFA IS ALSO ZONED CR BUT IT'S ALSO A HOME A RESIDENCE AND IT, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
MS. MS LAR DOESN'T OWN THAT PROPERTY, BUT A RELATIVE DOES.
SO, YOU KNOW, MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF MARFA ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND, AND IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE THERE LAND USE THERE.
AND, AND, UH, SINCE MS UH, FLUEN IS WILLING TO, UH, RESTRICT THE USE, UH, OR HER, HER, HER INTENT IS TO RESTRICT THE USE TO RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES ONLY.
YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL FEELING IS IT SHOULD BE A, A DUPLEX, BUT SINCE APPARENTLY THERE ARE SETBACK ISSUES, YOU KNOW, I WAS WILLING TO MAKE A COMPROMISE HERE.
AND THE COMPROMISE IS THAT DEED RESTRICTION.
NOW MY UNDERSTANDING THE DEED RESTRICTION WAS GOING TO BE THAT, UH, ONLY RESIDENTIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL USES COULD BE ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO THE, IT'S BEEN CHANGED SINCE OUR DISCUSSIONS, SO I HAVE AN ISSUE THERE TOO.
BUT I I I, I DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS RESIDE IS A DUPLEX.
THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT IS A, IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, JUST A NON-CONFORMING LAND USE.
I I, THE WHOLE STREET IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE KEPT RESIDENTIAL.
BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH INTO DISCUSSION, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER FOR CAN YOU MAKE A MOTION, SIR? WELL DO, DO, AND DO YOU NEED A COPY OF THE, DO YOU WANT A COPY OF THE DEED RESTRICTION IN LIGHT OF THE CHANGE TO THE DEED RESTRICTION IS NOT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
I, I AM GOING TO, IN THE MATTER OF THIS CASE, UH, Z 2 2 3 DASH 2 82, YOU KNOW, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH THE 21ST BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND, I'M SORRY, MS. FOLAN, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO, UH, HOLD, KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 21ST.
ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOUSE? RIGHT.
FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER? YEAH, I, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I THINK WE CAN HELP MS. WELLEN OUT TODAY AND JUST GIVE HER HER ME ZONING.
I ALSO CANNOT SUPPORT THAT, UM, ON, UM, MOTION BECAUSE IF THE DEEDS WE'VE BEEN WAITING, SHE'S BEEN WAITING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
OUR, THE DELAY IN THIS CASE TODAY WAS SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE DEEDS RESTRICTIONS CORRECTED.
THE REASON THAT WE ARE NEED, THAT WE'RE NEEDING A DEED RESTRICTION IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE LANCASTER CORRIDOR, BUT BECAUSE OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS ON MARFA AND THE OTHER RESIDENTS ON MARFA TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY REMODEL IN THE FUTURE, THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE NON-CONFORMING.
SO THE D RESTRICTIONS WERE MORE REFLECTIVE AND MAYBE, AM I CORRECT THAT IT WAS MORE REFLECTIVE TO PROTECT THE HOMEOWNERS? NOT SO MUCH THE CORRIDOR, WHICH THE CORRIDOR PRETTY MUCH CALLS FOR SOME MIXED USE AROUND THE T UH, THE T-O-D-T-O-D OF THE TRAIN STATION.
SO FOR US TO KEEP PUTTING HER OFF BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT TODAY, WHEN WE CAN, CAN JUST HOLD IT OFF FOR A COUPLE OF MORE SECONDS AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND PUT HER AT THE END OF THIS DOCKET INSTEAD OF SENDING HER AWAY BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN WAITING SINCE 9:00 AM AND THEN WE SET HER OFF, SENT HER WITH, WITH, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, SENT, UM, HAD HER WITH MS. BRIDGES STILL TO TELL HER SHE'S NOT GETTING IT RIGHT, ONLY BECAUSE OF WHATEVER WE BELIEVE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE, UM, THE, THE LANCASTER ROAD PLAN IS CALLING FOR.
WE UNDERSTAND THE LANCASTER ROAD PLAN.
IT IS REALLY JUST TO PROTECT BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR RESIDENTS ON MARFA, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CASE AS A A DUPLEX.
IT'S JUST SO THE SETBACKS CAN BE REFLECTIVE OF THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, SO WHEN THEY GET READY TO REBUILD OR REMODEL THAT THEY WON'T FACE THE SAME ISSUES.
AM I CORRECT? YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
SO, UM, TO YOUR POINT, UM, DANIEL AND I, MICHAEL AND THE APPLICANT, WE DID DISCUSS THE D RESTRICTIONS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT
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AND THE D RESTRICTIONS WAS TO NOT ONLY ALLOW HER TO HAVE THE DUPLEX USE, BUT IN THE FUTURE IF SOMEONE ELSE WAS DECIDE TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY, IT WOULDN'T BE SO RESTRICTIVE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.AND IS IT REFLECTIVE OF THE, UH, IS IT THE LENGTHS OF CORRIDOR PLAN? UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, HOUSEWRIGHT? I, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO COMMENT ON THAT REALLY.
OH, SO IS IT, IS IT, SO DID YOU, AND WAS THIS THE RESTRICTIONS ALSO IN CONSIDERATION OF BOTH MARFA AND UM, UH, THE LANCASTER CORRIDOR? YES, WE DID CONSIDER MARFA AND WE ALSO DID CONSIDER SOUTH LANCASTER.
AND DID YOU ALL HAVE ANY, DID YOU ALL DISCUSS THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS WITH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT? WE DID DISCUSS SOME DE RESTRICTIONS WITH COMMISSIONER FOR FORSIGHT AT FIRST.
AND HOW LONG HAS THIS CASE BEEN? HOW LONG HAS THIS CASE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD? UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE JANUARY 18TH DOCKET.
IT WAS HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL FEBRUARY THE 15TH, AND THEN IT WAS HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL TODAY.
WHEN WAS IT FILED? IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT WAS, UM, MAYBE LATE SUMMER.
AND, AND IF I CAN CLARIFY THOUGH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I WAS, UH, BRIEFED ON THIS AND ON THE SIDE BY, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND STAFF, AND WE AGREED THAT THE DEED RESTRICTION WOULD BE THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE LIMITED TO RESIDENTIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES.
AND THAT WAS CHANGED AFTER OUR DISCUSSION.
AND I'M WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH A MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION WITH THE DEED RESTRICTION BASED ON WHAT WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT.
SO IT WASN'T SOME OF THE, IT WASN'T BECAUSE, UH, UM, CITY ATTORNEY DANIEL SAID THAT THE REASON THAT HE DID THAT WAS BECAUSE WE, WE CANNOT RESTRICT CHURCHES.
SO WE HAD TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED.
AM I CORRECT MR. CHAIR? IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN PLEASE? YES.
FOR THE ORIGINAL, THE APP, ORIGINALLY THE APPLICANT SAID TO RESTRICT ALL COMMERCIAL USES, AND MY CONCERN WAS CHURCHES, BUT I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE BODY THAT DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE VOLUNTEERED.
IT'S AN APPLICANT LED PROCESS, SO THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE TO VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS TO PROHIBIT USES, CAN CHOOSE TO VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS TO PROHIBIT NO USES.
IT'S AN APPLICANT LED PROCESS AND IT'S, I I, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT'S SORT OF A, A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT FOR CPC WITH RESPECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS AND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WAS REACHED.
IT WAS BASED OFF OF THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, SHE CAN'T RESTRICT ALL COMMERCIAL BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A CHURCH.
AM I CORRECT? WELL, CHURCH USE IS INSTITUTIONAL AND NOT COMMERCIAL.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, YES, WE CANNOT RESTRICT CHURCHES.
I JUST, I JUST FIND IT IN BAD TASTE THAT WE KEEP ON HOLDING OUR APPLICANTS THIS LONG.
IT'S ALMOST A SUMMER AGAIN, AND THIS IS, IS A VERY SIMPLE PROCESS.
CAN, CAN I ASK IS, IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO CHANGE THE DEED RESTRICTION TO STATE THAT, UH, IT IT COULD OWN, THE PROPERTY WILL ONLY BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL USES? THOSE WERE ALREADY WRITTEN.
THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU JUST READ.
I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FAST HERE AND THIS IS COMPLICATED AND WE'RE JUMPING AROUND IN THE DOCKET.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I HEARD THE, WAS THERE A GAP BETWEEN WHAT COMMISSIONER FORSYTH AND I INITIALLY HEARD IN THE CONVERSATION THERE ABOUT WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS VOLUNTEERING VERSUS WHAT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD? WAS THERE A GAP THERE? WAS THERE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? UH, YES, THERE WAS.
AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THERE, THERE'S ONE OF TWO OPTIONS.
ONE IS TO PROHIBIT ALL USES EXCEPT RESIDENTIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL.
THE OTHER OPTION IS TO ALLOW ALL USES EXCEPT FOR COMMERCIAL, UH, SERVICES AND RE RETAIL PER PERSONAL SERVICE AND RETAIL USES.
SO THE REASON WHY THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER USES THAT ARE ON THAT, THOSE SHEETS FOR MU ONE, A LOT OF OTHER USES.
YOU SAID THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS AND SHE CHOSE ONE OF THE TWO OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU I'M NOT SURE WHAT NO, NO, NO.
I OPTIONS PRO NOT THE RIGHT WORD.
UM, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT, GIANNA, MYSELF, AND THE COMMISSIONER.
AND IT WAS SORT OF, THOSE WERE TWO THINGS BEING DISCUSSED.
AND BECAUSE IT'S ULTIMATELY THE APPLICANT'S CALL, THE APPLICANT DECIDED TO GO WITH THE ONE, THE, THE, UM, SORRY, THE ONE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE USES EXCEPT FOR THE RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESS USES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES MAKE SENSE.
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SO TO, TO SORT OF CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, THERE ARE OTHER USES IN ALLOWED IN THE MU ONE THAT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, OFFICE USES SOME LODGING USES, THOSE KINDS OF USES WOULD STILL BE PERMITTED.UH, AND I GUESS JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU MS. BRIDGES.
I KNOW THAT THIS IS COMPLICATED, WONKY STUFF, BUT, UH, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD FOR EVEN US TO UNDERSTAND AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT, UH, MR. MOORE CALLED THE TWO OPTIONS.
AND, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU UNDERSTOOD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A PROCESS, UH,
WE CAN'T REQUIRE OR EVEN ASK FOR THEM.
OKAY? SO MY PLAN IS TO RENOVATE WHAT, WHAT'S THERE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S DEAR TO ME, IT'S BEEN PART OF MY FAMILY FOR OVER 53 YEARS, BUT MY UNCLE OWNS THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
SO IN, FOR INSTANCE, IF HE PASSES AWAY, WHICH IS HE'S IN HIS LATE EIGHTIES AND HIS KIDS WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT PROPERTY, MY THIS SIDE IS ONE THING AND HIS IS SOMETHING ELSE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYONE, UH, COMMENTS, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION.
I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT I SAID I WANTED TO DO, BUT WITH THEM BEING NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER, I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT MADE MORE SENSE BECAUSE HIS IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
UM, SO IN, IN LIGHT OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST HEARD NOW, THOSE ARE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER.
AS, AS, UH, MR. MOORE SAID THAT THE VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT KIND OF THING.
THIS IS WHAT YOU OFFER AND THAT'S WHAT WE CONSIDER.
WE CAN'T NUDGE YOU IN EITHER WAY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A COMPLICATED THING AND LOTS OF THINGS TO, TO CONSIDER TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE WE WERE DOING THINGS KIND OF FAST THERE THAT YOU, YOU CONSIDER AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW WE'RE TAKING COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK.
DO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S OUT RIGHT NOW? WE DO TO HOLD THE MATTER, SO, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST PLACING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON HER AND I THINK THE, THE FIRST THING IS WE COULD JUST VOTE ON THE MOTION AND OR AT LEAST HAVE SOME, UH, MORE DIALOGUE ABOUT THE MOTION THAT'S MADE.
WE STARTED AND THEN WE GOT SIDETRACKED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT UNDERSTOOD WHICH THE TWO OPTIONS OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT WE ARE DISCUSSING A MOTION NOW.
CAN I, CAN I MAKE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T MAKE ANY COMMENTS, CAN I MAKE COMMENTS AND THEN SHE COULD HEAR 'EM AND IT MIGHT HELP HER OF WE'RE YEAH, THIS IS DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE TO MAKE A LAND USE DECISION TODAY.
SO I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION AND I ALSO JUST MORE GENERALLY SPEAKING, DON'T BELIEVE THE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE NECESSARY FOR US TO ACHIEVE, UH, THE BEST LAND USE FOR THIS SITE.
COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION.
UH, WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT IS COMMERCIALLY ZONED RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? AND IF WE OFFER, IF WE REQUIRE IN EFFECT, I KNOW WE CAN'T REQUIRE, BUT IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA GO FORWARD UNLESS THEY DEED RESTRICT IT TO RESIDENTIAL, AREN'T WE ESSENTIALLY DOWN ZONING THE PROPERTY? IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANNA DO? UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WE'LL COME BACK.
IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE'RE VERY CLOSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN WE TRY TO DO THESE THINGS AROUND THE HORSESHOE, AND I'M ALSO SYMPATHETIC TO AN APPLICANT WHO HAS IN GOOD FAITH WORK TO TRY TO DO THIS.
THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS DUPLEX.
WHAT IS ON THE GROUND TODAY IS DUPLEX.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS LOCATED, UM, ON THE LANCASTER PLAN, BUT THE ENTIRETY OF MARFA, EXCEPT FOR THESE, YOU KNOW, END LOTS ARE DEVELOPED, OR THESE TWO LOTS ARE BOTH DEVELOPED AS AS RESIDENTIAL USES.
EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING VARIES, THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT ALONG MARFA IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
I DO FEEL LIKE WE COULD LIKELY RESOLVE THIS TODAY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE,
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IF WE CAN JUST TAKE ANOTHER MINUTE.I KNOW MS.
UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT IF WE TOOK ONE MORE MINUTE SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS BEFORE US, WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON, SO THAT SHE CAN HAVE CLARITY AND WE CAN ALL HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON IN LIEU OF ASKING HER TO COME BACK DOWN HERE.
WITH RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER TURNER, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US, BUT I JUST DON'T PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE'RE QUITE THERE.
AND I PERSONALLY HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING STRAIGHT MU ZONING, WHICH OTHER USES MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE, BUT I FEEL LIKE GOES FURTHER THAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED PATTERN OF THIS LAND.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? THEN WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER.
CAN I, CAN I, UH, UH, PULL BACK MY MOTION THEN TO PUT THIS OFF AND MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN.
IF COMMISSIONER HERBERT IS OKAY WITH THE WITHDRAWAL AND ABSOLUTELY.
IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 28 DASH 2 99, I MOVE THE CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM.
SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT'S APPROVAL OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT RESTRICT THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTEERED AT THE PODIUM.
UM, UH, SHERRY, ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT DEED RESTRICTION OF RESTRICTING THE USE OF THE PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL USES? COMMISSIONER? IT'S GOTTA BE A VOLUNTEER.
ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING? FORGIVE ME FOR NOT SAYING THE RIGHT WORD.
ARE, ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING TO EXCLUDE THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY TO JUST RESIDENTIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL USES ONLY? I AM.
AND I, SHE SAID, DO YOU WANT ME TO, DID YOU SAY YES MA'AM? YES.
DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT MY MOTION? PLEASE DO.
IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z 2 28 DASH 2 82, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT'S APPROVED DEED RESTRICTION TO RESTRICT THE PROPERTY USE TO RESIDENTIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL USES ONLY.
CAN I GET A SECOND? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
SO I, I TRAVEL THIS AREA QUITE OFTEN.
UM, THE HOME THAT'S FACING LANCASTER IS A VERY BUSY STREET.
UH, IT'S, IT'S VERY COMMERCIAL.
THE HOME THAT'S FACING MAFA IS VERY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS IT SHARES A LOT.
HOW DO WE FIX THAT? IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OF SOME TYPE.
UM, I COMMEND STAFF FOR THINKING FORWARD, UM, IN THE FUTURE OF THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, I, I THINK MS. FLU WELLEN, UM, WANTS TO SEE THAT CORRIDOR BE SUCCESSFUL, UM, BECAUSE OF THE YEARS OF SERVICE THAT SHE'S GIVEN TO THAT AREA.
UM, SO I, I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION OR UPON A CLARITY FOR MS. UELAND.
IF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS NEEDED TO BE REMOVED 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE FOR HER? CAN THAT BE EXPLAINED? I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT, UM, UH, IN ORDER TO TERMINATE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY, YOU FILE AN APPLICATION TO TERMINATE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
UH, CURRENTLY THE FEE FOR THAT IS $900 AND IT'S A FULL ZONING CASE THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE FULL ZONING PROCESS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO COUNSEL AND BE APPROVED BY COUNSEL.
COMMISSIONER, WE THERE? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWIFE WAS FIRST.
I, I, I, I AM, I I SUPPORT THAT.
UM, I SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, AND I MIGHT BE WRONG, IT MIGHT SIT ON THE SAME PLAT AND NOT THE SAME LOT.
AND SO IF IT SITS ON A SEPARATE LOT, THEN THAT, THAT LOT DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME, UM, RESTRICTIONS.
AM I RIGHT? IF IT'S TWO DIFFERENT LOTS, SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT LOTS.
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BUT A DIFFERENT LOT.UM, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT ZONING DOESN'T CARRY OVER, RIGHT? PRETTY MUCH SO JUST BECAUSE THE HOUSE, THE, THE UNCLE'S HOUSE IS IN THE SAME LITTLE PLAT PROP, POSSIBLY IT'S, IT COULD, IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERABLY ON A DIFFERENT LOT, WHICH HAS A DIFFERENT ZONING, SO IT KEEPS ITS ZONING.
UM, YEAH, I'M STILL NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UM, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER POINTED OUT, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING PROPERTY RIGHTS AWAY FROM MS. LL AND WE'RE DOING HER NO FAVORS, AND, UH, SHE'S UNNECESSARILY SURRENDERING THOSE RIGHTS.
UM, WE CAN PUT THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THIS LOT.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE ONE IOTA, THE CHARACTER AND THE NATURE OF LANCASTER BOULEVARD, IT'S STILL A COMMERCIAL STREET WITH A TRANSIT LIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
AND SO WE CAN EITHER, WE CAN IGNORE LANCASTER BOULEVARD AND SAY, OH, IT'S ALL ABOUT MARFA.
IT'S ALL ABOUT MARFA, BUT IT'S A CORNER LOT.
UM, AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A FEW MINUTES OR MAYBE A COUPLE HOURS, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT FOR DALLAS TODAY, AND THIS IS A POSTER CHILD CASE, UM, OF THE GYMNASTICS THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS TO GO THROUGH TO GET HOUSING APPROVED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT WAS BUILT AS A DUPLEX AND WE ARE SPENDING HOURS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ALLOW IT TO BE A DUPLEX AGAIN.
AND SO I THINK IT'S, I I, I KNOW THAT, THAT, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE PROBABLY IN THE AUDIENCE OR EVEN LISTENING THAT MAY SHARE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THIS.
BUT, UM, UH, I'M, I'M REALLY SYMPATHETIC TO MS. LL AND, AND I THINK SHE SHOULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH A, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS A, A GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAPPENS TO BE ON A VERY GOOD CORRIDOR IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS, AND I'M NOT GONNA VOTE ON REMOVING HER PROPERTY RIGHTS.
SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE ON MY SOAPBOX.
COMMISSIONER CHERNO, UH, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION EITHER.
I, I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DOWN ZONING AND TAKING AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS.
I THINK IT FLIES IN THE FACE OF NOT JUST FORWARD DALLAS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DISCUSSING, BUT THE EXISTING FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.
I THOUGHT, UH, STAFF DID A GOOD JOB CITING THEY HAD EIGHT SOLID LAND USE CASES FOR THIS.
UH, WE LISTENED TO RYAN SPEAK FOR THREE OR FOUR MINUTES STRAIGHT ON JUST A LAUNDRY LIST OF LAND USE REASONS ON WHY THE DEED RESTRICTIONS DO NOT MAKE SENSE.
UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD A REAL STRONG ARGUMENT THAT COUNTERBALANCE THAT THERE'S A FEW TALKING POINTS THERE, BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE ENOUGH FOR ME, UH, IN, IN THE FACE OF ALL OF THE LAND USE REASONS.
UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE NECESSARY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THE MAPS THAT WERE IN OUR CASE, IF YOU ACTUALLY EXPAND OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA, I MEAN, THERE'S A SEVEN 11 THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS PROPERTY SHARES A PROPERTY LINE, UH, WITH A DRIVE THROUGH FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.
UM, IT, IT'S, UH, IT SEEMS, SEEMS THAT IT, IT SHOULD LOCKING THIS IN AS A RESIDENTIAL IN PERPETUITY SEEMS, UH, LIKE NOT THE RIGHT LAND USE DECISION.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION EITHER, AND I LARGELY ON THE SAME GROUNDS THAT COMMISSIONER ROY, COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK DISMISSED.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE APPLICANT WHEN SHE SET OUT TO ENTER THIS PROCESS TO DOWN OWN HER PROPERTY AND POSSIBLY LOSE VALUE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I, I THINK THAT VERY WELL COULD HAPPEN.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO, TO EFFECTIVELY DOWN ON HER PROPERTY THAT WAY.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
UM, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF AN APPLICANT WHO CAME IN WITH AN ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR DUPLEX ZONING.
UM, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND STAFF'S EVALUATION.
I ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN, OR EXCUSE ME, DRIVE THE LENGTH OF LANCASTER, UM, LAST WEEK.
IT HAS A VERY DIVERSE CHARACTER.
I THINK IT IS SIMILAR TO MANY OF OUR OLDER AREAS OF TOWN WHERE WE DO, AND RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY HAVE RESIDENTIAL THAT ENGAGES WITH COMMERCIAL.
AND THESE EDGES ARE ALWAYS THE MOST DIFFICULT TO DEFINE WHERE THAT LINE IS.
UM, FOR ME, I WANNA RESPECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MS. LAN IS LOOKING TO DO TODAY, AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, UM, WITH HER FAMILY'S ADJACENT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AREA IS GOING TO CHANGE AND DEVELOP.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN ANYONE'S MIND, BUT FOR WHAT'S THERE TODAY, WHAT SHE HAS STATED TO US, HER INTENT IS I
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WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, FORESIGHT? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO PLEASE TO END THIS BY STATING THAT THIS WAS A COMPROMISE.
YOU KNOW, MY, MY, UH, ORIGINAL POSITION WAS TO, UH, REZONE THIS AS DUPLEX, WHICH IS WHAT MS. LOIN WANTS, AND WHICH IS IN CHARACTER WITH THE KEEPING OF MARFA BECAUSE ALL THE HOMES THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES, EVEN THOUGH THESE TWO LOTS ARE, ARE, ARE, HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, GIVEN A WRONG ZONING CLASSIFICATION IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CORRECT THAT.
AND THE BEST WAY TO CORRECT IT WOULD BE WITH DUPLEX.
BUT SINCE APPARENTLY THAT CAUSES PROBLEMS FOR THE OTHER PROPERTY, I WAS WILLING TO MAKE A COMPROMISE HERE BY ASKING FOR A DEED RESTRICTION, WHICH MS. LOLE HAS ACCEPTED BECAUSE SHE HAS NO INTENTION OF DOING ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL.
SO I, I DO URGE THAT WE, UH, GO FORWARD WITH THIS MOTION THAT I'VE, UH, SUBMITTED, WHICH ACTUALLY IS ACHIEVING WHAT MS. LOLE WANTS FOR THIS PROPERTY AND IS BEST FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, MS. PINA, CAN WE TAKE A RECORD VOTE PLEASE.
CONGRATULATIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
AND NOW ON BACK TO CASE NUMBER 18.
[18. 24-866 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1982 for a bar, lounge, or tavern and an inside commercial amusement limited to a Class A dance hall on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development District No. 269, the Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the southwest corner of Elm Street and North Crowdus Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period, subject to amended conditions. Applicant: Westdale Properties America I LTD Representative: Andrew Ruegg, Masterplan Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: February 1, 2024. Council District: 2 Z234-104(LC)]
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 18, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 4.AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1982 FOR A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN AND AN INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT LIMITED TO A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONE.
TRACK A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP ELM NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ELM STREET AND NORTH CRO STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
SIR, ANY SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ANDREW REIG, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1 HERE, UH, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UH, RODEO DALLAS IN DE BEUM.
UM, THIS IS A SUP RENEWAL REQUEST, UH, FOR THE RODEO BAR IN DEEP ELLUM.
UM, THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY OPENED UNDER THE EXISTING, UH, SUP THAT WAS, UM, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR THE, THE OPERATOR THAT WAS THERE BEFORE THEM.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN OPEN SINCE JANUARY, 2023 AND HAVE, UH, SUBMITTED THIS REQUEST TO CONTINUE THAT SUP, UH, TO ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE, UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I WANT THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND THE DEEP ELM FOUNDATION.
UM, DEEP ELM FOUNDATION HAS, UH, A PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH TO REVIEW EACH SUP IN DEEP EL.
UM, AND SINCE THIS IS A NEW OPERATOR, THEY HAVE REQUESTED A ONE YEAR TIME PERIOD, UH, TO ALLOW THE OPERATOR TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.
THEY HAVE TALKED WITH THE, THE OPERATOR OF THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, UH, ONE YEAR TIME PERIOD.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER HAS QUESTIONS FOR MR. WICK.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH TEN FOUR, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS.
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I HAVE A SECOND.WAS THAT FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD OR ONE YEAR PERIOD? UH, YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT COMMENTS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. HER, UM, MR. RUE AND THE UM, UM, APPLICANT TEAM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UM, OPERATOR RODEO DALLAS IS NOW IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION WITH, UM, THE DEEP ALLEN FOUNDATION AND THEIR BOARD.
AS I MENTIONED IN THE EARLIER CASE TODAY, THEY DO HAVE A RIGOROUS PROCESS THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY, UM, JUST, UM, UM, REVIEWED IN THE LAST YEAR.
UM, THIS WAS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE THEIR INPUT.
UM, IT IS AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, AS I SAID, AND HAVING ALL OF THE VARIOUS USES WORK WELL TOGETHER IS A KEY COMPONENT OF FULFILLING OUR REQUIREMENT AS RE REVIEW SUVS.
UM, I KNOW TYPICALLY WE'RE CONCERNED THAT ONE YEAR GIVES AN OPERATOR ENOUGH TIME TO BE IN OPERATION AND TO EVALUATE.
AS WE JUST HEARD, THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE JANUARY OF 2023.
SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE STARTED TO GET SOME, SOME LEGS UNDER 'EM.
I THINK THIS JUST GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS OPERATING, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THE FULL DISTRICT AND FULLY ANTICIPATE THAT WHEN THEY'RE BACK HERE, BEFORE WE'LL BE CONSIDERING A LONGER TIME PERIOD.
HOPE YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THAT ONE'S GONNA BE HELD IF YOU WANNA.
ACTUALLY, NUMBER 19, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, FOR THOSE LISTENING IN WILL BE BACK ON OUR AGENDA ON MARCH 21ST.
THERE WAS A, A TYPO AND THE, THE PD NUMBER, SO IT DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS, IN THIS DOCKET.
[20. 24-859 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a public school other than an open-enrollment charter school on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District bounded by Millmar Drive, Shiloh Road, Healey Drive, and Casa Oaks Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a permanent time period, subject to a revised site plan, a revised traffic management plan, and conditions. Owner/Applicant: Dallas Independent School District Representative: Elsie Thurman, Land Use Planning & Zoning Services Planner: Jenniffer Allgaier Council District: 2 Z223-272(JA)]
GO TO CASE NUMBER 20.ITEM NUMBER 20 IS Z 2 23 DASH 2 72 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT BOUNDED BY MILMORE DRIVE, SHILOH ROAD, HEALY DRIVE, AND CASA OAKS DRIVE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN, A REVISED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
I'LL SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, ELSIE THURMAN.
9 4 0 6 BISCAYNE BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 8.
UM, I LISTENED TO BRIEFING AND AS YOU KNOW, KEITH IS A NEW CLEAN SCHOOL.
WE HAVE MET WITH COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND STAFF AND UNDERSTAND THAT SHE HAS A LIST OF MOTIONS, UH, SHE'D LIKE TO READ.
AND AFTER THESE MOTIONS ARE READ, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ZONING CASE.
UH, WE WILL OF COURSE WORK WITH STAFF AND PERMITTING TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS ARE REVISED PRIOR TO COUNSEL.
UM, THE PRINCIPAL IS HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ONLINE.
THE ARCHITECT IS HERE IF YOU NEED HIM.
AND SO IS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
I'M HERE AND MS. LUHAN WITH THE DISTRICT IS ONLINE IF NEEDED.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? AWESOME.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? AND SO I GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION.
IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE LENGTHY THAN I THINK ANY OF US HAD HOPED IT WOULD BE EARLIER, UH, THIS WEEK.
UM, SO I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE AND APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THE APPLICANT TEAM ON THIS.
SO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 2 72, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR PERMANENT TIMEFRAME SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN AND REVISED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, SUP CONDITIONS.
ITEM FOUR REVISED TO ADD AT SHILOH ROAD IN CASA OAKS DRIVE, A 25 FOOT SETBACK IS REQUIRED.
ITEM SEVEN, ADD PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR INGRESS AND INGRESS MUST BE PROVIDED AT MILMORE DRIVE AND HEALY DRIVE AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
ITEM SEVEN, ADD A MINIMUM OF ONE PEDESTRIAN GATE TO BE LOCATED ALONG CASA OAKS.
ITEM 10 SIGNS, ADD THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE SITE IS CONSIDERED A NON-BUSINESS DISTRICT SIGN.
ALL SIGN LIGHTING MUST BE DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE UPLIGHT.
ATHLETIC FIELD SIGNS IF PROVIDED SHALL
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NOT BE ILLUMINATED BEFORE 7:00 AM OR AFTER 8:00 PM ADD HEIGHT CONDITION, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 45 FEET AND TWO STORIES.MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF LIGHT POLES IS 20 FEET.
ADD PARKING AND LOADING CONDITIONS.
PARKING IS PROHIBITED WITHIN REQUIRED SETBACKS.
VEHICULAR DRIVE AISLES ARE ALLOWED AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, DRIVE CROSSINGS TO DIFFER IN FINISH FROM THE VEHICULAR INGRESS AND EGRESS LOADING AREA TO BE PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
GARBAGE STORY STORAGE AND MECHANICAL AREAS VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR VISIBLE FROM A RESIDENTIAL USE MUST BE SCREENED INCLUDING ON ANY SIDE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR THE RESIDENTIAL USE WITH SCREENING THAT COMPLIES WITH THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 51 A DASH 4.602 B.
THE REQUIREMENT FOR SCREENING APPLIES REGARDLESS OF THE DISTANCE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THE RESIDENTIAL USE.
ADD LIGHTING EXCEPT AS PROVIDED, ALL LIGHTING MUST BE DIRECTED DOWNWARD IN AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SITE LIGHTING USES THAT OPERATE BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
MUST PROVIDE ILLUMINATION NOT TO EXCEED A MAINTAINED AVERAGE OF TWO AND ONE HALF FOOT CANDLES AT GROUND LEVEL AND MUST NOT DISTRIBUTE MORE THAN ONE QUARTER OF ONE FOOT CANDLE OF LIGHT ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
ADD OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND PROHIBITED BETWEEN 8:00 PM AND 7:00 AM SITE PLAN.
SHIFT THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AT THE NORTH AND SOUTH, UM, PEDESTRIAN AREAS TO BE LOCATED BETWEEN THE VEHICULAR INGRESS AND EGRESS AND SHILOH ROAD COORDINATED WITH ACCESSIBLE ROUTE AT PARKING AISLE TO COMBINE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BUILDING ENTRY.
ADD, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THE MINIMUM OF ONE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS LOCATED ALONG CASA OAKS DRIVES IS REQUIRED.
ADD DIMENSION AT THE PROPOSED BUS DRIVE A 15 FOOT MAXIMUM INCREASE THE PEDESTRIAN REFUGE AREA AT VEHICULAR, DRIVES FROM THREE FEET TO FIVE FEET AND REVISED THE SITE PLAN NOTE FOR THE INGRESS EGRESS DRIVES TO BE 24 TO 30 FEET WITH A MAXIMUM 15 FOOT CURB.
RADIO RADII AT MIL MAR DRIVE IN HEALY DRIVE.
AS SHOWN ON THE TMP ON EXHIBIT ONE.
NOTE THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS POINTS ON THE REVISED EXHIBIT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER UH, HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE A QUICK 10 MINUTE BREAK.
UH, IT IS 3:21 PM WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM COMMISSIONERS.
IT IS 3:41 PM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
ARE WE RECORDING? WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
UH, IT IS 3:41 PM UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
[21. 24-867 A City Plan Commission authorized hearing to determine the appropriate zoning for the area to include but not limited to uses, development standards, and other appropriate regulations in an area generally bounded by River Oaks Road to the north, Union Pacific Railroad to the east, McCommas Bluff Road to the south, and Julius Schepps Freeway to the west, and containing approximately 522.18 acres. Staff Recommendation: Approval of an A(A) Agricultural District; a CR Community Retail District; an LI Light Industrial District; an R-1/2 ac(A) Single Family District; an R-1 ac(A) Single Family District; an amendment to Planned Development District No. 778; an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 773 for a metal processing facility for a permanent time period, to provide an expiration date that is five years from the date the zoning is approved; and termination of deed restrictions (D.R. Z067-152). Planner: Olga Torres Holyoak Council District: 8 Z189-341(OTH)]
21.UH, UN UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE THE DISPLEASURE TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM TODAY.
UM, THERE WAS, UH, UH, AN ERROR IN THE NOTICE.
UH, BUT FORTUNATELY WE CAN TAKE PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS CASE AND WE ARE HAPPY TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT AND ABSOLUTELY WE'LL CONSIDER THAT.
UH, BUT WE WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM TODAY.
UH, AND WE WILL BE VOTING ON IT ON THE 21ST.
UH, BUT WITH THAT, WE'LL GET IT RIGHT INTO THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU FOLKS.
ITEM NUMBER, NUMBER 21 IS A CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE AREA TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, USES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND OTHER APPROPRIATE REGULATIONS IN AN AREA.
GENERALLY BOUNDED BY RIVER OAKS ROAD TO THE NORTH UNION PACIFIC ROAD RAILROAD TO THE EAST MAC BLUFF ROAD TO THE SOUTH.
AND JU JULIUS, SHE'S FREEWAY TO THE WEST IN AN AREA CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 522 POINT 18 ACRES OF LAND STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, A CR RETAIL DISTRICT, A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND R HALF ACRE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND
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R ONE ACRE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 7 8.AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 7 7 3 FOR A METAL PROCESSING FACILITY FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD TO PROVIDE AN EXPERIENTIAL EXPIRATION DATE THAT IS FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE THE ZONING IS APPROVED.
AND TERMINATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW READY TO HEAR FROM YOU WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COME DOWN AND, AND, UM, AND THERE'S LOT OF PEOPLE.
YES, WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR SPEAKERS HERE IN SUPPORT.
MY ADDRESS IS 4 9 2 0 SHORT ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'M ALSO THE CO-CHAIR OF FLOOR FOUR NEIGHBORS UNITED AND I AM HERE, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, I I WANT TO THANK THE, UH, PUD FOR LISTENING TO ALL, UH, OUR I CONCERNS AND, UH, ALSO SCHEDULING ALL THE MEETINGS.
THE REASON WHY I AM IN SUPPORT, BECAUSE AS A RESIDENCE, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1995.
I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY FROM THE ORIGINAL OWNER, UH, WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 54 YEARS AND PLUS.
AND WE, WE ARE ZONE AS AGRICULTURAL TO BE TRANSPARENT.
UH, NEXT TO ME IS I AM IR AND THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUES BECOME, UH, 100 FEET LESS.
IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE SHINGLE MOUNTAIN THAT WE'RE STARTED, AND THAT'S WHERE WE COME FROM.
NOW, THE REASON WHY WE ASKING FOR A REZONING FOR AUTHORIZED HEARING IS TO PROTECT OUR FAMILY, TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH.
I HAVE BEEN PERMANENTLY HARMED BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, UH, IN FLOOR FARMS. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO GO BACK TO GREENERY.
WHERE WE FIRST STARTED FROM OUR COMMUNITY THERE WAS THERE, IT, IT STARTED WITH GROWING GREENS THERE, SELLING THEM DOWN TO THE, UH, NURSERY.
BUT NOW WE ARE JUST ENGULFED IN, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL AS ALSO WE CONTINUE FIGHTING, UH, BATCH PLANTS CONSTANTLY.
SO THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR AGRICULTURAL, UH, REZONING BACK TO THAT, TO AVOID SOME OF THESE EJ ISSUES.
AND SO, AND CONTINUE, UH, FIGHTING FOR, UM, THOSE, UH, ISSUES.
AS YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU MIGHT SEEN US HERE BEFORE.
WE CONSTANTLY FIGHTING ABOUT BATCH PLANTS COMING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I AM HERE ASKING, AND I'M ALSO REPRESENTING MY COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SOME CANNOT BE HERE, BUT I AM THE VOICE FOR THAT.
AND, UH, WE ARE NOT AGAINST BUSINESS, BUT WHAT WE ARE AGAINST ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES NEXT TO OUR RESIDENTS, THEY SHOULD NOT BE THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR.
UH, ALSO, I JUST WANNA ALSO SAY THAT IN THE I, THAT IT IS A STIPULATION LINE IN THERE FOR A BATCH PLANT AND WAREHOUSES.
THOSE ARE ISSUES AND I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AND LISTEN TO OUR VOICES AS WE ALSO COME HERE.
UH, CURRENTLY I RESIDE AT 38 37 SIMPSON STEWART ROAD WITH THE ZIP CODE OF 7 5 2 4 1.
AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF FLORAL FARMS. SO, AGAIN, AS I STATED, MY NAME IS AHA CARTER.
I AM A SOPHOMORE WHO WAS ATTENDING PAUL QUINN COLLEGE.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM CHATTANOOGA, TENNESSEE, BUT I MOVED TO ARLINGTON, TEXAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL.
MY ULTIMATE GOAL IN LIFE IS TO CREATE BLACK MEDIA THAT IS NOT RELIANT UPON BLACK TRAUMA.
AS OF NOW, I LIVE UP PAUL QUINN COLLEGE, THE ADDRESS BEING 38 37 SUNSET STEWART ROAD.
ONE OF THE CLASSES I TAKE IS SPECIAL TOPICS, ENVIRONMENTAL DRIVERS OF HEALTH, WHICH IS TAUGHT BY PROFESSOR EVELYN MAYO.
IN THIS CLASS, WE LEARN ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND INJUSTICE IN THE DALLAS AREA.
WE HAVE HAD IN-DEPTH COM DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FLORAL FARMS DROPPY IN THE GAFF IN WEST DALLAS.
I STAND BEFORE YOU ALL TODAY TO URGE YOU ALL TO CHANGE THE INITIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO STRICTLY AGRICULTURAL ZONING.
THE COMMUNITY OF FLORAL FARMS HAS ALREADY SUFFERED ENOUGH DUE TO CITY OF DALLAS'S LACK OF ACTION AND LACK OF SYMPATHY.
THEY ALL SAT IDLY BY AND WATCHED AS AN ENORMOUS STRUCTURE OF SHINGLES OVERTOOK A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY LET THESE INNOCENT PEOPLE BREATHE IN TOXINS CONSISTENTLY FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
NOW THEY WANT TO RESUME WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
IT IS ONLY FURTHER APPROVING MY EARLIER POINTS OF THEM BEING EVERYTHING BUT SYMPATHETIC.
PLEASE LOOK AT THE GREATER GOOD AND RECOGNIZE THAT IF YOU LIVED IN FLORAL FARMS, YOU WOULDN'T WANT A FACTORY NEAR YOUR HOME.
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SHINGLE MOUNTAIN NEAR YOUR HOME.DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND REMOVE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING, AND INSTEAD, INSTEAD, SUPPORT THE AGRICULTURAL OR COMMERCIAL ZONING.
LOUIS, MISSOURI, AND I'M A FRESHMAN ATTENDING PAUL QUINN COLLEGE AT 38 37 7 5 2 4 1 SIMPSON STEWART ROAD IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'M A MAJOR IN HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND PURSUING MY DREAM OF BEING A BIOMEDICAL RESEARCHER TO FIND A CURE FOR SICKLE CELL ANEMIA AND TO PROMOTE, PROMOTE RACIAL JUSTICE.
THIS SEMESTER I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH PROFESSOR EVELYN MAYO AS A URBAN RESEARCHER AND INITIATIVE FELLOW STUDENT TO LEARN ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND INJUSTICE THAT RESIDENTS OF DALLAS ARE FORCED TO FACE TO LIVE IN.
BEING AT PAUL QUINN PLACES US RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRI INDUSTRIAL ADJACENCY ISSUES, WE HAVE OPENED OUR EYES TO THE LARGEST RACIAL INJUSTICE THAT HAS CAUSED PERMANENT HEALTH CONCERNS TO THE RESIDENTS OF WEST DALLAS PY.
AND TODAY, THE RESIDENTS OF FLORAL FARM TOURING THE COMMUNITY.
YOU CAN SEE THE AREA REMAINS ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL, CONCRETE AND ASPHALT BASHING BETWEEN PROMINENT BLACK AND BROWN RESIDENCIES.
MANY RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT HEADACHE, THROAT, AND EYE IRRITATION.
AND WHEN THE RESIDENTS STARTED COMPLAINING OF GENERATION OF CANCER, ASTHMA, SICKNESS, AND FATIGUE, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE COMMUNITIES NEED JUSTICE.
INDUSTRIALIZATION INTRODUCES NEW PROBLEMS TO THE FLORAL FARM COMMUNITY, INCLUDING AIR, WATER, AND SOIL POLLUTION AND CONTAMINATION.
TODAY WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL TO AMEND THEIR ZONING AWAY FROM INDUSTRIALIZATION AND TOWARDS SUSTAINABLE HABITATION.
THESE RES RESIDENTS OF DALLAS DESERVE A VOICE IN THE AREA THEY PAY TO LIVE IN.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME CONSIDERATION.
GREETING CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
I ATTEND PAUL QUINN COLLEGE AS A SOPHOMORE MAJOR IN PSYCHOLOGY TO PURSUE A CAREER IN COUNSELING MISUNDERSTOOD CHILDREN.
I AM LOCATED ALSO AT PAUL QUINN COLLEGE, 38 37 SIMPSON STEWART ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 1.
I ALSO SERVE AS THE MEMBER OF THE GREEN TEAM AT PAUL QUINN COLLEGE.
THE GREEN TEAM IS DESIGNED TO TACKLE ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE BEHAVIORS AROUND LOCAL AREAS.
STUDENTS ARE GIVEN A TASK ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THE ENVIRONMENT BETTER.
WHILE COLLABORATING WITH JPI WEST DALLAS, OR FLORIDA FARMS, WE ARE WILLING TO MAKE A CHANGE SO THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT JUSTICE.
I HAPPEN TO ALSO SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF STUDENT GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION, WHERE WE BELIEVE EVERY STUDENT VOICE SHALL AND WILL BE HEARD.
I BELIEVE THAT NO ONE THAT IS A HUMAN BEING SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH HARD TIMES OF NOT BEING ABLE TO BREATHE IN GOOD QUALITY AIR.
I'M HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF MARSHALL JACKSON ON REZONING THE COMMUNITY AFTER THE EVENT OF SHINGLE MOUNTAIN THAT HAPPENED IN 2019 RIGHT IN THE BACKYARD OF MARSHALL'S HOUSE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT.
COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR NAME, PLEASE, MA'AM? TAYLOR GORE.
UH, I LIVE AT 1445 FIREBIRD DRIVE.
UH, MY HOME IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY A MILE AND A HALF FROM, UH, FLORA FARMS. UM, I WANT TO FULLY SUPPORT AND ENDORSE THE STATEMENTS OF SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE HEARD TO THIS POINT FROM MS. JACKSON AND FROM THE STUDENTS FROM THE COLLEGES.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG AND ARDUOUS JOURNEY FOR FLORAL FARMS. IT HAS TAKEN A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET TO THIS POINT OF HERE, OF AN AUTHORIZED HEARING.
THESE RESIDENTS DESERVE BETTER.
IT HAS BEEN MONTHS, IF NOT YEARS, WITHOUT A DEFINITIVE PROCESS AND DECISION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU RESOLVE THIS MATTER IN A WAY THAT SUPPORTS THESE RESIDENTS.
WE SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH AN EXCEPTION.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT STATE LAW HAS PREEMPTED THROUGH SB 9 29 HAS PREEMPTED YOUR ABILITY TO SHORTEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THIS METAL COMPANY CAN FIND A NEW LOCATION THAT IS, TO PUT IT MILDLY
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AWFUL.THESE RESIDENTS ARE TAXPAYERS.
THEY DON'T DESERVE THE KIND OF TREATMENT THAT THEY HAVE ENDURED ALL OF THESE YEARS.
THEY MOVED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS SOME OF US DID.
WHEN I MOVED TO HIDDEN VALLEY, THERE WERE 600 ACRES OF RAW LAND JUST TREES.
THOSE FOLK MOVED TO FLORAL FARMS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO ENJOY A RURAL LIKE SETTING, NOT BECOME A DUMPING GROUND FOR SHINGLES AND ALL.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE AT 79 42 JUBILANT DRIVE.
I AM A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
I'M A FORMER PLAN COMMISSIONER, SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR ROLE AND YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
ALSO, I WAS ALSO, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEN THE FIRST FORWARD DOLLARS PLAN WAS CREATED.
SO YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO THIS IS A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE FOR FORWARD DOLLARS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS AREA, WHILE I WAS IN OFFICE, WE SOUGHT TO CLEAN UP THIS AREA BECAUSE OF THE TRUCKS, BECAUSE OF THE NON-CONFORMING, UH, BUSINESSES THAT WAS THERE.
THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF STARTING THAT PROCESS.
I CHALLENGE YOU THIS SUMMER, ALL OF YOU ALL FROM 7:00 AM TO ABOUT 10:00 AM THIS SUMMER.
GO VISIT THAT AREA AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE NOTHING BUT DUST FROM TRUCKS.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE NOTHING BUT NON-CONFORMING BUSINESSES, AND WE'RE CREATING A DEAD ZONE AREA.
THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THIS.
SO I'M ENCOURAGING, ENCOURAGING YOU TO FULLY SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT, FULLY SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS OF FLOOR REFORM, FULLY SUPPORT, BEING ABLE TO CHANGE THE OPTICS OF THIS AREA.
WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A GREEN ZONE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE CREATING A WASTE ZONE BY ALLOWING THESE BUSINESSES TO CONTINUE TO POLLUTE THIS AREA AND GO UNREGULATED.
SO ALSO, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AS COMMISSIONERS.
THE BALANCE BETWEEN BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S A TOUGH, YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH.
YOU CAN'T HAVE BUSINESS TO OVERRUN RESIDENTIAL.
YOU CAN'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL OVERRUN BUSINESS.
THINK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE THERE.
WHAT IS THEIR HEALTH WORTH? THINK ABOUT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE.
SHOULD THEY REALLY BE THERE? IS THERE A BETTER OPTION FOR THEM? SO AGAIN, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR.
1808 SOUTH GOOD LATIMER 7 5 2 2 6, REPRESENTING DOWN WINDERS AT RISK.
THIS PLAN REPRESENTS THE CULMINATION OF FOUR YEARS, A DEDICATED WORK BY FLORAL FARM RESIDENTS AND THEIR ALLIES.
IT'S A MOMENTOUS AND IMPORTANT THING.
I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THAT.
ONLY ITS COMPLETE AND TOTAL NEGLECT OF FLORAL FARMS DURING ONE OF THE WORST ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND JUSTICE SCANDALS DALLAS HAS EVER SEEN, MADE THIS PLAN POSSIBLE THAT NEGLECT CAUSED NEIGHBORS TO FORM THEIR OWN ASSOCIATION IN SELF-DEFENSE, A CITYWIDE ALLIANCE TO HELP THEM OVERCOME IT.
IT DROVE THEM TO DRAFT THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
THE FIRST RESIDENCE PLAN SUBMITTED IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH AND THE FIRST FROM SOUTHERN DALLAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD NEVER BE VICTIMIZED AGAIN.
THEY WERE TOLD THAT THEIR PLAN WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTED BY CITY HALL WAY PREVIOUS RESIDENT PLANS FROM NORTH DALLAS WORK.
THEY WERE TOLD THEY DIDN'T LIVE IN A REAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT KIND OF OFFICIAL SCORE AND IS FUELED CAMPAIGN TO ROLL BACK RACIST ZONING THAT'S IMPACTING PLACES FAR BEYOND FLORAL FARMS. ONLY THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE OF SUCH RACIST ZONING IN THE CITY CODE ALLOWS SOUTHERN DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE FLORAL FARMS TO BE CONTINUAL VICTIMS OF POLLUTERS.
THAT'S WHY THIS PLAN IS IMPORTANT.
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IT'S THE FIRST TIME SOUTHERN DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE SAID ENOUGH ENOUGH AND THEN PUT THEMSELVES IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN FATE, ACRE BY ACRE, TRACK BY TRACK.WE WANNA SPECIFICALLY THANK MARCIA JACKSON AND NEURO OF AN AGRO JENNIFER RANGEL AND OUR CO-CHAIR, EVELYN MAYO, FOR THEIR COUNTLESS HOURS OF WORK TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.
THEIR PERSISTENCE HAS PAID OFF.
WITHOUT A DOUBT, YOU SHOULD APPROVE THIS PLAN WITH THE AMENDMENTS THE RESIDENTS ARE REQUESTING.
I HEARD A LOT OF TALK THIS MORNING ABOUT BALANCE, BUT YOU DO NOT BALANCE AN HISTORIC INJUSTICE BY GETTING RID OF 50% OF IT OR 75% OF IT.
YOU GET RID OF AN HISTORIC INJUSTICE BY GETTING RID OF IT.
IN TOTAL, IT WAS A VERY ELOQUENT EXPLANATION OF WHY LIGHT INDUSTRY IS NOT REALLY THAT LIGHT BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
THE IMPOSITION OF LIGHT INDUSTRY, INDUSTRY IN THIS AREA, OR PY OR WEST DALLAS IS INSULTING AND IT'S PERPETUATING THE ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM, RACISM THAT BROUGHT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IF YOU CLIMB TO THE TOP AND OTHER FOLKS DESERVE THIS KIND OF ATTENTION, IF YOU CLIMB TO THE TOP OF SHINGLE MOUNTAIN AS I DID, YOU SAW IT WAS COMPOSED OF NOTHING.
BUT TAMCO AND GAF SHINGLES BOTH ARE LOCATED IN BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORHOODS.
BOTH ARE DAMAGING PUBLIC HEALTH EVERY DAY.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE JUST LIKE SHINGLE MOUNTAIN.
BOTH SHOULD BE CLOSED AS POSSIBLE, SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THE WEST DALLAS SINGLETON CORRIDOR PLAN IS APPARENTLY FIFTH IN LINE WAITING ON ITS OWN AUTHORIZED HEARING.
YOUR VOTES FOR A NEW FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN SHOULD BE CONTINGENT ON HOW MUCH IT ROLLS BACK THE RACIST ZONING THAT FACILITATES THIS CONTINUED ABUSE.
IF YOU CAN STILL THANK ATTORNEY RIVER, THANK YOU FOR FOR JOINING US THROUGH DALLAS ON THE MAP.
AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH OVER THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS TO THREE YEARS, THIS BODY WILL BE REDRAWING THE MAP OF DALLAS FOR THE 21ST CENTURY.
IT SHOULD USE EVERY TOOL IT HAS AND PERHAPS SOME IT HAS TO CREATE.
THANK YOU, SIR, TO MAKE SURE MRR TO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, SIR, AND MORE THANK YOU FOR, FOR JOINING US.
APPRECIATE YOU NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY MORE SPEAKERS HERE BEFORE WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? OKAY.
WE'LL TAKE OUR SPEAKERS IN ORDER.
MS. MAYO, ARE YOU ONLINE? YES, I'M ONLINE AND I HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PULL THAT UP.
DID YOU EMAIL IT IN? YES, I EMAILED IT YESTERDAY.
EVELYN, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN SHARE YOUR SCREEN? DO YOU HAVE IT UP ON YOUR, ON YOUR COMPUTER? I THINK NO.
IS THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE? I AM IN A CAR, YES.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THAT.
I THINK THE PERSON YOU EMAILED IT TO IS MAYBE OUT OF POCKET NOW.
LET ME TRY, OTHERWISE I CALL LAWRENCE.
DOES THIS WORK OR SHOULD I EMAIL IT TO LAWRENCE PLEASE? OKAY.
WHO'S CONTROL? WHO'S CONTROLLING THE POWERPOINT? GO.
YES, EVELYN MAYO, 2 8 3 3 PROVINCE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 8.
I SUPPORTED WITH THE DRAFTING OF THE FULL
IT WAS THE FIRST
AS YOU HEARD, MANY OF THESE, UH, PROPOSALS THAT STAFF HAS MADE ALIGN WITH THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS, BUT THERE'S STILL THE OUTSTANDING ISSUE OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING
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DISTRICT.SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'VE GOT THE LAND USES THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS IDENTIFIED BY TRACT.
I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING PROPOSED AREA AND ILLUSTRATE THAT MAJORITY OF THESE USES DO NOT NEED THAT ZONING.
AND THE ONES THAT SEEM LIKE THEY MIGHT ALSO DO NOT.
SO WE'VE GOT MACHINERY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT, VEHICLE ENGINE REPAIR, COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, AND OUTSIDE STORE.
ALL OF THESE USES ARE ACCEPTABLE WITHIN THE RR AND CS ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE THREE LAND USES, UM, INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE METAL SALVAGE AND OUTSIDE SALVAGE RECLAMATION.
THEY SEEM LIKE THEY MAY NEED INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THOSE SPECIFIC PARCELS, WHAT STAFF IDENTIFI VERSUS WHAT THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY CLAIMS IS, THE CURRENT LAND USE AND WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS FOR DO NOT IN FACT MEET THAT INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY AN OUTDOOR PARKING LOT, UM, THAT THEY HAVE CLAIMED IS INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE.
WE HAVE A METAL SALVAGE FACILITY BEING CALLED OUT BY STAFF AS THE LAND USE, BUT ATLAS METALS ACTUALLY PERMANENTLY CLOSED, UM, ALLEGEDLY.
AND SO THE CURRENT LAND USE IS NOT CLEAR AND THEREFORE LIKELY WOULD ALSO WORK AS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
FINALLY, UM, THIS AUTO REPAIR SERVICE CENTER WAS IDENTIFIED BY STAFF AS A FACILITY WHICH STORES DISMANTLES A SCRAP OR SALVAGE, WHEN REALLY IT'S AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER.
SO A MAJORITY OF THESE USES THAT ARE IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UM, PROPOSED AREA DO NOT NEED THAT ZONING.
THERE WILL NOT BE ADDITIONAL NONCONFORMING USES CREATED, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M URGING YOU TO ALSO RECOMMEND THAT IT BE COMMERCIAL OR AGRICULTURAL.
UH, MS. HEL, IS MR.
YOU ALL SEE? OH, THERE SHE IS.
MY NAME IS JENNIFER ED ADDRESS IS 1441 WEST MOUNT AVENUE, NUMBER 2 2 4, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 1.
AND I SERVE AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ROYAL PLANNING.
WE ARE A NONPROFIT THAT WORKS WITH COMMUNITIES TO BUILD EQUITABLE PLACES BY FIGHTING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL HOUSING AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE.
AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM WITH SUGGESTIONS FOR AMENDMENTS.
AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM TODAY, BY ALLIES AND THE RESIDENTS OF RURAL FARMS, NEIGHBORS UNITED, THAT'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITHOUT A DOUBT, BUT LET'S BE HONEST, TO TRUTHFULLY PROTECT THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY AND TO PRESERVE THE TRINITY RIVER, THE FIVE MILE CREEK LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES AND THE INDUSTRIAL USES AND OF PD 7, 7 8 SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, GIVEN THE FLOODPLAIN AND ALSO OVERALL IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO THE BUSINESSES ARE NOT INDUSTRIAL, SUCH AS THE NURSERY IN THE AREA.
I DO THINK STAFFS FOUT THIS PROCESS OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
'CAUSE THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING WAS SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ADVOCATE AND ADDRESS THE ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES THAT THEY CONSISTENTLY HAVE TO EXPERIENCE, THE CONSISTENT HAVING TO BE REACTIVE TO INDUSTRIAL, UH, BATCH PLANS COMING IN.
NOW, THE STAFF'S REPORT OUTLINES THAT THEY AIM TO LESSEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS IN FOUR FARMS, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO INSTEAD TO STRIVE TO ELIMINATE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS.
WHILE I DO RECOGNIZE THAT IT COULDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE DECADES OF NEGLECT BY THE CITY OF DEATH, THIS REZONING IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT ZONING DOES WHAT IT WAS MANDATED TO, WHICH IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF ALL.
SO LET'S FULFILL THAT PROMISE TO, FOR OUR THANK YOU.
I LIVE AT 7 1 8 CHRISTIE COVE DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS 7 5 0 4 OH.
I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL
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JUSTICE NONPROFIT CALLED JOHN WINTERS AT RISK.UM, I'M A PHD CANDIDATE OVER AT THE SMU LYLE SCHOOL OF ENGINEERING STUDYING APPLIED SCIENCE, AND I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING FOR FLORAL FARMS. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, LIKE OTHERS HAVE ECHOED, ARE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN ALIGNING WITH THE CURRENT COMMUNITY'S GOALS FOR THEIR HOMES TO BE GIVEN PROTECTIONS OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE UNDEVELOPED FOREST AND WATERWAYS TO BE PRESERVED AS AGRICULTURAL.
HOWEVER, SINCE MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY REMAINS ZONED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ALONG WITH THE TRINITY RIVER FLOOD ZONE, THE APPLICANT'S CONCERNS ARE VALID REGARDING THE CONTINUED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PARCELS.
AS INCREASE IN FLOOD RISK IS HIGHLY LIKELY.
ADDITIONALLY, FURTHER INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL CONTINUE ATTRACTING OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES, WAREHOUSING OR ATTRACTING OPERATIONS THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT QUALITY OF LIFE.
THE AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL NEED TO BE DESIGNATED AS AN AGRICULTURAL TO PREVENT FURTHER EXPANSION OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN.
AS YOU'VE HEARD, UH, FROM PROFESSOR MAYO'S COMMENT, ZONING IS NOT NEEDED FOR THE CURRENT LAND USES OR THEY ARE.
THEY IN THE RESIDENCE CALLS PD 7 78 INCLUDES SEVERAL INDUSTRIAL USES LIKE TEMPORARY CONCRETE OR ASPHALT BATCHING PLANTS AND WAREHOUSING.
THEREFORE, PD 7 78 SHOULD BE AMENDED TO REMOVE THOSE USES AND ALSO JUST REZONE THE SITE AS AGRICULTURAL.
I HOPE THAT THE MEMBERS OF CTC CAN ENSURE THAT NO FUTURE ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES WILL OCCUR BECAUSE OF INCORRECT ZONING, UM, OF FLORAL FARMS. UM, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I LIVE AT 28 21 BEDFORD STREET, DOUGLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 2.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SINGLETON UNITED EAGLES IN WEST DALLAS.
WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF MARSHA JACKSON AND THE FLORAL FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD'S.
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THEIR AUTHORIZED HEARING.
THE RESIDENTS IN FLORAL FARMS HAVE ENDURED A RIDICULOUSLY LONG WAIT FOR THIS MOMENT, AND WE'RE SO HAPPY THE MOMENT TO TRANSFORM THEIR COMMUNITY ON THE GROUNDS OF ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE HAS FINALLY ARRIVED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST DALLAS.
RESIDENTS SUFFER GREATLY LIVING IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE, WHETHER THAT BE LIGHT OR HEAVY.
WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY RESIDENTS AND FLORAL FARMS WANNA PREVENT ANY FURTHER DAMAGE TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND REMOVE ALL INDUSTRIAL USES.
WE CAN EMPATHIZE WITH THEIR DESIRE TO SALVAGE THEIR WELLBEING AND ACHIEVE A CLEANER, HEALTHIER ENVIRONMENT.
THEREFORE, WE ASK THIS COMMISSION TO PLEASE REMOVE ALL CURRENT DESIGNATIONS OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND DESIGNATE THEM AS AGRICULTURAL TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE FLORA FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD.
ENSURE THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER SHINGLE MOUNTAIN AGAIN.
ADDITIONALLY, I WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THIS COMMISSION TO ADVOCATE FOR AN EXPEDITED UPDATE TO THE PRIORITIZING AND PROCESSING OF AUTHORIZED HEARING.
SO IT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND RACIAL EQUITY FACTORS.
IN 2022, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER PUBLISHED A MEMO ABOUT THIS RECOGNIZING THAT IT IS UNTENABLE THAT AREAS WITH THE NEED FOR IMMEDIATE ZONING ARE MADE TO WAIT AN INCREDIBLY LONG TIME IN THE AUTHORIZED STEERING QUEUE.
NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE SINGLETON CORRIDOR IN WEST DALLAS IS VERY EAGER FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO TRANSFORM OUR COMMUNITY FOR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND HAVE AN EQUITABLE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE AS LONG AS THOSE IN THE NORTHERN PARTS OF DALLAS.
OUR FAMILIES HAVE ENDURED NEGATIVE HEALTH REPERCUSSIONS FOR DECADES.
WHY SHOULD OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO THANK YOU? THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, JONATHAN.
THANK YOU FOR MY NAME IS JONATHAN SMITH.
I'M THE MANAGER OF SOUTHWEST PERENNIALS HERE AT 92 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY DALLAS.
WE'RE A WHOLESALE NURSERY IN THE CORAL FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER.
UH, OUR FACILITY HERE HAS BEEN IN CONTINUOUS OPERATIONS SINCE 1927.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I BELIEVE THESE CHANGES ARE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY GO FAR ENOUGH TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AND EXISTING BUSINESSES.
WE KEEP SEEING SMALL ENTERPRISES MOVING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BRINGING IN SEVERAL FEET OF BILL AND DIRT AND ROCK, UH, TRYING TO BEAT THE FLOODPLAIN DESIGNATIONS.
THIS PERSON'S ALREADY, UH, POURED DRAINAGE IN EXISTING HOME STRUCTURES FOR US.
UH, THEN THESE GUYS COME IN, THEY SLAP UP LARGE TRUCK LOTS, GRAVEL, NO CONCRETE.
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THEY BRING IN TRASH, TRASH RECLAMATION FACILITIES, UH, WITH LITTLE OVERSIGHT, UH, NO DRAINAGE OF MANAGEMENT.UH, LITTLE STANDARD FOR MUCH ELSE.
COS END UP GETTING ISSUED AND THEN BECOME PERVERTED FOR WHATEVER MEANS THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN, THEY CAN PUT UPON US.
UM, IF YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON 20 OF I 24 DOOR WHERE THE AMAZON WAREHOUSE IS, YOU CAN CONTRAST THAT.
YOU'LL SEE BRAND NEW WAREHOUSES, LLY LANDSCAPED, DRAINAGE, NICE CONCRETE PARKING LOTS.
WE GET THE TRASH, WE GET THE DRAGS.
WE NEED MORE STRINGENT ZONING TO LIMIT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE NEED TO BRING MORE PROPERLY VETTED COMMERCIAL AND DEVELOPMENT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, YOU'VE ALSO GOT S ON THE DOCK EAST CITY.
HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK IF I, I, SORRY, SIR.
DID YOU SAY, UH, JERRY IS, IS GONNA ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR NOT? YES, JERRY HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT WE'RE SITTING HERE IN THE OFFICE TOGETHER SHOWING A IPAD.
WE'RE, WE'RE READY FOR HIS COMMENT, SIR.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER, UH, JERRY.
UH, I OWN AND OPERATE, UH, SOUTH, UH, SOUTHWEST PERIL.
WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED OPERATION AT 92 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
UH, THIS BUSINESS HAS BEEN HERE SINCE, UH, 1927.
IT'S ONE OF THE OLD ESTABLISHED GREENHOUSE FACILITIES IN THE AREA.
I'VE WORKED IN THIS AREA FOR 53 YEARS AND SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN, UH, IN THIS AREA AND, UH, INCLUDING ALONG BEFORE THE CITY TOOK IT INTO THE CITY LIMITS.
I HAVE TWO ITEMS CONCERNING THE, THE ZONING.
UH, ONE THAT I'M REQUESTING THAT THERE WOULD BE A MORE STRINGENT REGULATIONS CONCERNING FIELD AND DRAINAGE AREAS.
LARGE PORTION OF NATURAL DRAINAGE AND FLOODING WATER RETENTIONS HAVE BEEN DESTROYED.
THE NEED FOR NATURAL DRAINAGE NEEDS TO BE CLEANED TO ALLOW FOR LESS FLOODING FROM THEM.
RETENTION PONDS AND DRAINAGE HAVE BEEN DESTROYED AND WATER ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A MORE DESIRED ZONING PLAN TO HELP PROTECT RESIDENTS AND EXISTING BUSINESSES.
THE OTHER ONE, UH, THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS TRUCKS, UH, DUST ABATEMENTS TRUCKS ENTERING AND EXITING, UH, TRADE.
A HUGE NUISANCE ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD OF TRAFFIC ON THREE 10 HUGE STRESS CLOUDS PLUS THE HAZARDS OF GRAVE AND ROCK ON HIGHWAY THREE 10 AFTER RAIN, CREATE PROBLEMS FOR CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA.
UM, AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO ZONING.
UH, WE NEED LESS INDUSTRIAL OR NON-CONFORMING DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT.
OUR REGULATION, I I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITIES.
FOR INSTANCE, NORTH VERSUS SOUTH.
I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALL Y'ALL'S TIME.
I WOULD, UH, ALSO THANK LAURA FARMS AND MS. MARTHA JACKSON AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO.
AND WE WANT TO KEEP THIS AGRICULTURAL AND A NICE, PLEASANT PLACE FOR SOMEONE TO LIVE.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.
THANK YOU, MR. MR. YARBOROUGH.
UH, MS. KENDRICK, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
HI, ALL PLANNING COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
ADDRESS IS 47 41 DROP OF CIRCLE, AND I'M STAFF ORGANIZER FOR DOWN WINDERS AT RISK.
AND I'M PRESENT TODAY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY.
AND AFTER YEARS OF FIGHTING ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE IN THIS SMALL AREA, WE'RE SO GLAD THAT THIS MOMENT IS FINALLY HERE TO SHARE WITH CPC.
THE BEST WAY TO ENSURE THAT THESE FIGHTS DON'T CONTINUE IS TO REMOVE ALL INDUSTRIAL ZONING LIKE OR OTHERWISE.
AND CHANGING THOSE AREAS TO AGRICULTURAL.
AS WE'VE SEEN IN JOPPA FLOOR FARMS AND WEST DALLAS LIGHT INDUSTRY, EVEN LIGHT INDUSTRY DOES NOT HAVE LIGHT EFFECTS ON THE RESIDENT.
IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS HAD TO CONVINCE THE CITY TO REMOVE A BLATANT WITH THE LEGAL PILE OF ASPHALT SHINGLES FROM MARSHA JACKSON'S BACKYARD, HAVING ANY TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD PERPETUATE THE STATUS QUO THAT THE RESIDENTS OF FLORAL FARMS ARE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM.
REMOVING MY INDUSTRY AND REPLACING AGRICULTURAL ZONING WOULD NOT ONLY CREATE A HEALTHIER, HEALTHIER LIFE EXPECTANCY, IT WOULD IMPROVE THE LIVING CONDITIONS OF THAT AREA SO
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THAT IT IS NOT A DUST BOWL, IT'S NOT A WASTE ZONE.IT WOULD ALSO HELP ALLEVIATE THE LACK OF ACCESS TO HEALTHY FOODS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS.
WE ARE ALL, WE ARE ASKING ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE HEALTH AND WEALTH AND LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS INSTEAD OF THE RIGHTS OF INDUSTRY.
IS MR. PERKINS ONLINE? NO, NOT ONLINE.
UH, THEN WE WILL GO TO OUR ONE SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION.
MS. KAY IS MS. KAY ONLINE? THERE SHE IS.
PO BOX 2 6 0 2 0 3 PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 2 6.
I'M HERE TODAY REPRESENTING NORTH TEXAS NATURAL SELECT MATERIALS AND THEIR OPPOSITION OF Z 180 9 3 41.
NORTH TEXAS NATURAL SELECT MATERIALS IS THE LARGEST LANDOWNER IN THE FLORAL FARMS AUTHORIZED HEARING AREA OF REQUEST WITH APPROXIMATELY 101 ACRES, 20% OF THE 522.48 ACRES STUDY AREA, CURRENTLY ZONED PD 7 78.
THEY HAVE ENGAGED THE FLORAL FARMS HEARING PROCESS FULLY BY ATTENDING ALL FOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, BEING HELD SINCE SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2022.
DURING THIS PROCESS, STAFF AND RESIDENTS ATTEMPTED TO IMPOSE THEIR VISION ONTO THEIR PROPERTY.
FIRST ATTEMPTING TO COMMANDEER THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FOR COMMUNITY RECREATION AND GREEN SPACE.
THEN SUGGESTING THE PROPERTY BE REZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES BEFORE ULTIMATELY ALLOWING THEM TO PRESERVE THEIR PD ZONING WITH ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS.
OF COURSE, THEY ASSERTED THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS AND VOCALIZE THEIR INTERESTS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
DURING THIS PROCESS, STAFF AND RESIDENTS HAVE USED MANY ADJECTIVES TO DESCRIBE THIS PROPERTY USING TERMS LIKE VACANT BATCH, PLANT FLOODPLAIN, AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, DEMONSTRATING NO KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PROPERTY'S HISTORY.
NOT ONE STAFF MEMBER HAS ASKED TO WALK THE PROPERTY TO UNDERSTAND ITS CONDITION OR POTENTIAL.
RESIDENTS AND TRANSIENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE HELPED THEMSELVES TO THIS PROPERTY BY TRESPASSING, ILLEGAL DUMPING AND STORING OF STOLEN GOODS AS THEY SEE ONLY A VACANT PROPERTY.
WHAT THEY DO NOT SEE IS N T'S ONGOING EFFORTS TO RECLAIM THIS PROPERTY FOR AGRICULTURAL USE UNTIL SUCH A TIME THAT AN END USE PLAN IS ADVANCED WITHIN THE PERMITTED USE OF THE PROPERTY ZONING.
WHAT THEY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE IS THE EXTENSIVE MINING HISTORY OF THIS SITE THAT IS STILL EVIDENT TODAY.
WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW IS THE MANY YEARS OF EFFORTS TO ADVANCE THIS PROPERTY WITH CONSULTANTS AND CITY STAFF.
DURING THE PROCESS, WE WERE ASKED, WHO'S YOUR END USER AND WHAT'S THE END USE PLAN? BUT UNTIL THE PROPERTY IS RESTORED FROM THE HISTORIC MINING OPERATION, WE CANNOT SAY WE ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS RESULTING FROM THIS PROCESS.
N-T-N-S-M PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY WITH THE FULL RIGHTS AND ENTITLEMENTS PROVIDED UNDER PD 7 78 AND STRONGLY OPPOSE ANY EFFORTS THAT WOULD THEN DENY THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS PROPERTY WITHIN THE PERMITTED USES OF THE EXISTING PD.
WE ASK TO BE REMOVED FROM THE STUDY AREA IF PD 7 78 IS NOT MAINTAINED, UNALTERED OR, OR TO HOLD THE AUTHORIZED HEARING UNDER ADVISEMENT SO WE CAN MEET DIRECTLY WITH STAFF TO DISCUSS THE PROPERTY HISTORY AND A PATH FORWARD.
YOUR TIME IS UP BETWEEN OUR APPLICATION HISTORY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD BEFORE? WE GO TO QUESTIONS, FOLKS? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? YES, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. JACKSON.
UH, MS. JACKSON, WERE YOU, I I UNDERSTAND IN WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, UM, YOU WANTED TO SAFEGUARD WAS BATCH PLANS.
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THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REQUIRE SUP FOR ALL BATCH PLANS? I AM AWARE OF IT.UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT WE WANT THAT REMOVED BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMEND A PD, UH, SUP AND A CL, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE NON-CONFORMING.
NOW WITH SUP, WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING WITH THE BATCH P THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ERROR THEIR, THEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
UH, THE CITY ALLOWED THEM TO MOVE THERE, GIVE 'EM ON A TRIAL BASIS, AND THEY WERE STILL NON-CONFORMING AND NOTHING BEEN ENFORCED.
SO LET ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET A CLARITY.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT EVEN THOUGH THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR SUP FOR A BATCH PLANT THAT YOU WANT THE, THE USE TO BE COMPLETELY REMOVED, BATCH PLANTS, THE WAREHOUSES? YES.
UH, QUESTION FOR MS. MSS KAY, THE SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION.
IS SHE STILL ON? I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE LAND HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY MINED FOR WHAT KIND OF MINING WAS DONE? WHAT KIND OF RESIDUE DID IT LEAVE? SAND.
AND YOU MENTIONED N TEST, NTSM WHAT, UH, WHO, WHO DOES THAT STAND FOR? IT'S THE, UM, CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.
IT STANDS FOR NORTH TEXAS NATURAL SELECT MATERIALS.
THAT'S THEIR, UM, COMPANY NAME.
IS THERE ANY, IS, ARE THEY STILL, UH, MINING FOR SAND AND GRAVEL OUT THERE? NO.
THAT OPERATION TOOK PLACE BEST TO OUR KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN THE 1960S AND THE 1980S.
WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DATE OF WHEN THAT OPERATION TERMINATED.
AND I THINK YOU IMPLIED THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOME SORT OF REMEDIATION GOING ON ON YOUR PART.
THERE IS A HOPE FOR IT, BUT NO.
A HOPE FOR IT, BUT NOTHING PARDON PUN CONCRETE RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSYTH.
MY QUESTION IS FOR, UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS FROM, UH, THE FLORAL FORUMS COMMUNITY.
UH, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY HOMES AND RESIDENTS, UH, LIVE IN THIS AREA THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THESE FACILITIES? THESE THAT ARE IN THE LIGHT AREA, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA.
UH, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, I AUTHORIZED HEARING, WE WALKED EACH HOME.
IT WAS 25 RESIDENTS IN THE HOME.
THOSE 25, I UNDERSTAND THEY SAID THREE ARE VACANT, TWO, UH, DIED.
AND THERE ARE, I KNOW THE NEW OWNERS NOW THEY'RE BEING REESTABLISHED IN THAT PROPERTY TO OPEN UP THOSE TWO HOMES AGAIN, ARE OTHER COMMUN.
I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE, THAT THERE IS LOOKS LIKE A COMMUNITY TO THE EAST OF THIS AND A COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ALONG, UH, SIMPSON, STEWART ROAD.
ARE THEY ALSO IMPACTED BY THE BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA? ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WITH THAT, THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE WITHIN? THEY ARE, UH, ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE IMPACTED.
UM, AS YOU SAID, THE HOMES ON A THREE 10 GOING, UM, UH, EAST ON THAT.
UM, AND GOING NORTH, THEY ARE IMPACTED.
THERE'S ANOTHER LITTLE STREET AROUND AND THOSE ARE STILL COMPANIES THAT NON-CONFORMING THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING, UM, DUMPSTERS AND TRASH THERE.
AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE HAVING.
WOULD YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF ABOUT HOW MANY HOMES ARE IN THE THAT EXTENT EXTENDED AREA? PROBABLY, UM, IN THAT AREA OFF OF, UM, GOING NORTH OF THREE 10 IN THAT LITTLE SHORE AREA, I KNOW IS, UH, SIX HOMES IN THAT LITTLE AREA THERE.
I, I, I CAN'T TELL THE STREETS HERE, BUT I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE STREET HERE ALONG, UH, CENTRAL ZONING STEWART TO THE EAST OF THE, THE, THE AREA THAT'S ZONED L ONE.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN SIX HOMES IN THAT AREA IS ZONING LANE AND YOU HAVE BIRD LANE.
AND WHEN YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU LOOK LIKE THAT INTERSECTION, BUT THEY, YOU HAVE TO GO TO A SEPARATE ROAD TO GET TO THEM AS WELL.
UH, ALSO JUST WANNA SAY, SINCE YOU DIDN'T
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ASK, UH, ONE OF THOSE, UH, HOMES OVER THERE IS KIND OF ENGULFED IN THE PARKING LOT AND HE'S BEEN THERE FOR LIKE 55 YEARS AND HE'S JUST DEAD IN DOWN THERE BY HIS SELF IN CAN BREATHE.SO THE PARKING LOT IS JUST SURROUNDING HIS HOME.
HE HAS NO, UH, RUN IT NOW BECAUSE WHEN PD 7, 7 8 STARTED DEVELOPING BEFORE IT WAS STOPPED BECAUSE IT WAS ILLEGAL.
SO NOW, UH, WHEN IT RAINED, ALL THE RAIN FLOODS AMOUNT THERE.
ANY, MY QUESTION DOES THAT CONCLUDES YOUR QUESTIONS, MR. FORAY.
UH, MS. JACKSON, WHILE, WHILE I HAVE YOU UP THERE, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY IT, UM, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY THERE THAT ON OUR DOCKET IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME STREETS AND THERE'S SOME LOTS, BUT ON THE AERIAL, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
YOU, UH, THAT MIGHT BE AROUND THE PD 7, 7, 8 AREA.
ON TO THE, THE EAST OF, IS THAT BIRD LANE? YEAH.
ECO PARK IS, UH, THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY.
THERE'S NOTHING DOWN THERE IN THAT AREA.
UH, IT USED TO BE HOMES DOWN THERE, IT WAS FLOODED.
UM, IT'S, UM, IT, IT IS BEFORE YOU GET TO E ECO PORT, IT IS HOMES UP THERE.
UM, IT IS LIKE THERE'S BERMUDA.
CAN YOU SEE BERMUDA IN THERE? AND UM, THAT'S WHERE I, I CO-CHAIR LIVE THERE AS AS WELL.
SO IT'S ABOUT, UM, IT MAY BE ABOUT 10 HOMES IN THAT AREA.
JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, 'CAUSE AGAIN, ON IN OUR DOCKET THERE, WE HAVE A COUPLE AERIALS THAT SHOW A LOT OF LITTLE STREETS WITH A LOT OF LITTLE LOTS.
BUT IF YOU GO TO GOOGLE MAPS, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
IT'S JUST A, UM, IT'S A VACANT LOT CHAIR.
I LEMME ALSO EXPLAIN ON BERMUDA PLEASE.
UM, WE, UM, IT WAS A, A COMPANY 18 WHEELER BECAUSE THE STREET WAS SO NARROW THAT IT WAS COMPLAINTS MADE INTO IT.
SO THEY STOPPED THOSE STREETS FROM, UH, TRUCK COMPANIES COMING DOWN THERE.
SO THOSE TWO HOMES, AND IT IS A VACANT LOT.
IT WAS A VACANT LOT RIGHT ON THE CORNER.
IT'S NOW, UM, DUMPSTER RENTAL THERE.
UH, MS. MAYO, ARE YOU STILL ON LINE? IS SHE STILL LINE? SHE'S NOT ONLINE.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I'M HOPING MS. MS. MAYO, IF YOU'RE OUT THERE LISTENING, SEND US THAT POWERPOINT THERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO SPEED READ WITH YOUR, YOUR THREE MINUTES THERE AND, UM, TO PULL THE VEIL BACK A LITTLE BIT, THE SCREEN HERE IS ABOUT THIS SIZE.
UH, SO FOR A COUPLE OF US OLD GUYS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO SHARE HER SCREEN IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AGAIN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? COMMISSIONER SHAAD? YES, I CAN.
UH, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A COUP LOOK A COUPLE OF YOUR SLIDES.
SO JUST BEAR WITH ME AS I PULL IT UP, UM, AS I AM IN A CAR.
SHE IS NOT DRIVING FOR THE RECORD, CORRECT? I'M NOT DRIVING.
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WE'RE ON STANDBY.DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION? YEAH.
IF YOU COULD, UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING AND KIND OF CYCLE THROUGH AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, AND IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT LARGER A LITTLE BIT LIKE IT WAS BEFORE.
SO AT THIS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, THIS IS THE, THE ONE THAT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO, TO FOCUS ON A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND I THINK YOU HAVE THE SLIDE AFTER THIS ONE MAYBE ACTUALLY HAS THE, THE COLOR ONE MORE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO READ.
UH, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS SLIDE PLEASE.
YEAH, SO THE THREE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES THAT I CALLED OUT ON THE PREVIOUS THREE SLIDES ARE THESE ONES IN PURPLE.
AND THE, THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS THAT THE LAND USE THAT PUD HAS ASSIGNED, IT CONTRADICTS EITHER THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.
AND SO WHILE AT A GLANCE IT MAY SEEM THAT THESE THREE PROPERTIES NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO CONTINUE THEIR USE BASED ON THEIR CURRENT LAND USE AND HOW THE CODE HAS IT WRITTEN, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE.
SO, SO HERE'S PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THE EXAMPLES, UM, WHERE WE HAD LISTED THE LAND USE HERE AS OUTSIDE SALVAGE OR RECLAMATION, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS DEFINED IN THE CODE AS A FACILITY WHICH STORES
BUT, UM, I, I, I THINK I, I UNDERSTAND THE GIST AS IF, IF YOU COULD PLEASE, UH, EMAIL THAT IN TO STAFF FOR THEM TO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL DISTRIBUTE IT SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON THIS TODAY.
AND THEN, UH, OBVIOUSLY JUST A HEADS UP.
I, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO ADDRESS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE POINTS MADE BY THESE THREE SLIDES, UH, IN TERMS OF THE, WHAT'S ON THE, THE SEALS ON THE GROUND, ALIGNING WITH POTENTIALLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO DO IN TERMS OF LI BUT IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST EMAIL THAT EITHER TO ME OR TO STAFF, AND WE'LL DISTRIBUTE TO THE FULL COMMISSION.
AND, UH, AND I'D LIKE STAFF TO ADDRESS IT EITHER AT THIS HEARING OR AT THE NEXT ONE.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.
THOSE ADDRESSES, COULD YOU GIVE, YOU, GIVE THOSE ADDRESSES
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VERBALLY BECAUSE WE COULDN'T SEE THOSE ADDRESSES BECAUSE THE SCREEN'S SO SMALL.SHE'S GONNA, UM, SEND, UH, UM, IN REAL TIME THE ADDRESSES YOU CAN GIVE IN REAL TIME.
DO YOU HAVE THOSE ADDRESSES OF THOSE THREE LOCATIONS? YES.
I'M READY FOR THE VERY FIRST ONE, IT'S 9 2 2 0 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, 7 5 2 4 1 9 5 0 6 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND 8 8 3 5 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
AND, AND WHAT WAS THE FIRST ONE AGAIN? 9 2 9 WHAT? 9 2 2 0 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, SOMEBODY OVER HERE HAD A QUESTION? NO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, CAN, YOU CAN STAFF WHAT, OKAY.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME, ARE THERE PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING AFTER THIS, UM, THIS HEARING? UM, WE, I SHOULD SAY, LET ME RE REPHRASE THAT.
ARE THERE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING IF THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING GOES FORWARD? IT, YEAH.
WE HAVE A LIST OF THE ONES THAT WILL BECOME NON-CONFORMING.
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SIX PROPERTIES, UM, ON WHICH THE USES WOULD BE MADE NON-CONFORMING BY THE PROPOSED AG ZONING DISTRICT THAT WERE BASED ON STAFF'S PROPOSAL.
AND THOSE WILL BE, NEED, NEED TO BE NOTIFIED ACCORDINGLY.
AND CAN YOU ALSO, CAN YOU ALSO TELL US, UM, PIGGYBACKING OFF WHAT CHAIR, SHE DID SAY THE THREE PROPERTIES ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY? UM, THE, THE ZONING THAT YOU GUYS, THAT IT'S, THAT'S ON THE GROUND DOES NOT SEEM TO BE IN ALIGNMENT.
UM, SO CAN YOU VERIFY THAT INFORMATION, UM, AND LET US KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY IN A, IN ALIGNMENT WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH THE ZONING THAT'S ON THE GROUND AND OPPOSED TO THEIR COS YES.
WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BEFORE THE NEXT HEARING.
UM, WHAT WAS STAFF AWARE, WHICH ADDRESS
DID SHE, IT IT WAS STAFF AWARE OF WHICH ADDRESS SHE SAID THAT WAS NOT OPEN ANYMORE.
WHICH ONE SHE SAID IS NOT OPEN.
SO SHE MIGHT WANNA TELL US EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT USES ARE, BECAUSE I KNOW THE 80, 88 35 IS AN A SALVAGE FACILITY.
IT'S A SALVAGE FACILITY AND IS YES.
ISN'T THAT ZONING CORRECT? AND SO OUR SO OUTSIDE SALE, I MEAN THAT, UM, THAT, THAT, THE, THE, THAT THE, SO WE'RE WE'RE, I'M SORRY.
CAN WE, CAN YOU, SO THE OUT, SO THE DEMOLITION AND SALVAGE YARD USE THAT IT WAS, THAT THE CO, UH, RECEIVED, WHICH IS, I WANNA SAY 88 35 IS AN OUTSIDE SALVAGE YARD.
95 0 6 IS, UM, THEY STORE, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL USE HOLD ON.
LET ME, THE, THE 95 OF 88 35 IS, SO IF, IF, IF I CAN JUST, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? I, I DON'T DUNNO IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME, BUT YES, WE WILL, WE CAN GET THOSE ADDRESSES.
I BELIEVE MS. MAYO WILL BE SENDING THOSE TO US.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR INFORMATION IS BASED ON THE OFFICIAL RECORDS, SO REALLY ALL WE HAVE TO GO OFF IS WHAT THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY SAYS.
SO WE MAY NEED TO ENLIST THE HELP OF CODE COMPLIANCE TO ACTUALLY INSPECT THE PROPERTIES TO DETERMINE WHAT USE IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING THERE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CO IS REALLY ALL WE HAVE TO GO BY.
SO LOOKING AT WHAT SHE OVERVIEW AND LOOKING AT THE COS OF RECORD THAT THEY, AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY WI UH, WORKING WITHIN THE, THE RAM OF THEIR CA CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
THE OTHER ONE, WHICH IS WAS THE LAST CO THAT WAS
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ISSUED WAS IN 2013, AND IT'S FOR A DISMANTLING PLANT, WHICH IS ALSO A SALVAGE YARD.IT BOTH ARE WORKING WITHIN, UM, AND THEY ARE CONSIDERED VEHICLE SPAY SALES ALSO.
THEY CAN BE WITHIN EITHER ONE OF THE RANGES, SO THEIR COS ARE CORRECT.
ONLY ONE THAT IS NOT, IT SEEMS IS THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS 95 0 6 SOUTH.
92 20, WHICH IS MASON DIXON, WHICH IS AN INTERMODAL.
UM, YEAH, METAL CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM TRASH DUMPSTERS TO STORAGE OF, UH, OF CONTAINERS.
BUT THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ALL THREE OF THOSE, THEY THERE ARE CO LINES UP WITH EXACTLY WHAT SHE SHOWED IN THE OVERVIEW.
AND I'M LOOKING AT IT IN REAL TIME.
AND WE CAN JUST, WE CAN CONFIRM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? AND AGAIN, FOLKS, MY APOLOGIES, UH, UH, FOR MAKING YOU COME BACK ON THE 21ST, BUT AGAIN, UH, WE DO HAVE AN ONLINE OPTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
UH, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, YES, I HAVE A MOTION, IF I HAVE A SECOND COMMENTS, I MOVE THAT IN THE MATTER OF Z 180 9 3 41.
I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MARCH 21ST, 2024, AND TO DIRECT STAFF TO RE NOTIFY THE CASE IN ACCORDANCE TO LAW.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, ONCE I, FIRST I WANNA APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY HAVE TO COME AGAIN.
UM, I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST STARTED AS A, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER, OOH, FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN UNDERWAY WORKING TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
I'M HAPPY THAT THEY ARE AT A PLACE FROM WHERE THEY STARTED AND WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.
THEY ARE AT A PLACE THAT NO ONE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO GET EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN POSSIBLY LIVE WITH.
IN A PERFECT WORLD, NONE OF THIS WOULD'VE EVER HAPPENED.
IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE WOULD'VE TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION.
UM, PEOPLE, I FIND THAT NOT ONLY IN THIS AREA, BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE AREAS IN DISTRICT EIGHT THAT WE SEE THIS TYPE OF, UM, OCCURRENCE HAPPENING.
UM, AND I WISHED I'D NEVER HAD TO TALK ABOUT 'EM.
I WISHED I'D NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH THEM.
I WISHED I'D NEVER HAD TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS I DO TRYING TO RECTIFY THE, THE WRONGS OF OUR PREVIOUS CPCS PLANNING AND STAFF.
BUT WE ARE HERE AND TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, WE'RE TRYING, I I BELIEVE THAT EVERY LAST LIVING ONE OF US ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS, BUT FOR THOSE THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE DOING BUSINESS.
UM, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THAT THIS AREA HAS CONCE HAS BEEN USED AS A DUMPING GROUND.
UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I DID WHEN I BECAME A, A PLANNING COMMISSIONER IS I WENT AND GOT CODE AND I STARTED IN CLEAVER RALLY.
AND THEN, UM, I SAID, AND I WANT YOU TO, I WANT YOU TO TAKE A RIDE WITH ME.
AND WE WENT UP THREE 10 AND I POINTED OUT, I SAID, YOU SEE THAT? YOU SEE THAT, YOU SEE THAT? THAT WAS BEFORE I EVEN KNEW MARSHA JACKSON.
THAT'S BEFORE I EVEN KNEW ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
AND I TOOK CODE OUT THERE AND, AND WE, AND I SHOWED THEM ALL OF THE PLACES THAT WERE EYES SORES.
I AND I, WE WENT THROUGH THERE WHEN IT WAS A DUST STORM.
SO I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND, AND THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO WILL BE DONE A, A BEST THAT, UH, LET ME SAY IT.
THIS THE BEST THAT I CAN DO, I WILL DO TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND I WILL, UH, JUST A HEADS UP.
WE'LL MOVE THE AUTHOR, THE AUTHORIZATION OF A HEARING.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE ITEM NUMBER 34 NEXT.
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A 10 MINUTE BREAK, WE WILL TAKE ITEM NUMBER 34.IT IS 5:01 PM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
[34. 24-831 Consideration of authorizing a public hearing to determine the proper zoning on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, a CR Community Retail District with a D-Liquor Control Overlay, a CS Commercial Service District, an IM Industrial Manufacturing District, an LO-1 Limited Office District, an MF-2(A) Multifamily District, an NO(A) Neighborhood Office District, an NS(A) Neighborhood Service District, a P(A) Parking District, Planned Development District No. 439, Planned Development District 645, an R-5(A) Single Family District, an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, an R-7.5(A) Single Family District with Specific Use Permit No. 139 for an electrical substation, an R-7.5(A) Single Family District with Specific Use Permit No. 162 for a meeting house for the Boy Scouts of America, and a TH-3(A) Townhouse District in an area comprised of 1) the Casa Guanajuato Neighborhood, generally bounded by Brooklyn Avenue and Page Avenue to the north, S. Tyler Street to the east, W. Clarendon Drive to the south, and S. Montclair Avenue to the west; 2) the South Edgefield Neighborhood, generally bounded by W. Clarendon Drive to the north, Elmwood Branch to the east, DART rail line to the south, and S. Montclair Avenue to the west; and 3) the Polk Vernon Neighborhood, generally bounded by DART rail line to the north, S. Vernon Avenue to the east, Illinois Avenue to the south, and S. Polk Street to the west and containing approximately 277.83 acres. Consideration is to be given to appropriate zoning for the area to include but not limited to use, development standards, and other appropriate regulations. This is a hearing to consider the request to authorize the hearing and not the rezoning of property at this time.]
NUMBER 34, THE AUTHORIZATION OF A HEARING.GET THAT RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER, NUMBER 34 IS A CONSIDERATION FOR AUTHORIZING A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE THE PROPER ZONING ON PROPER ZONE AND A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A DCOR CONTROL OVERLAY, A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT.
AND I AM INDUSTRY MANUFACTURING DISTRICT AND L OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT, AN MF TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, AN NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT, AND NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT, UH, PA PARKING DISTRICT, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 39.
PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 4 5 AND R FIVE, SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND R SEVEN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND R SEVEN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 39 FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUB STATION.
AND R SEVEN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 62 FOR A MEETING FOR A MEETING HOUSE FOR THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA AND A TH HOUSE DISTRICT IN AN AREA COMPRISED OF ONE.
THE CASA GUANAJUATO NEIGHBORHOOD.
GENERALLY BONDED BY BROOKLYN AVENUE AND PAGE AVENUE TO THE NORTH SOUTH TAYLOR STREET, UH, TO THE EAST WEST CLAREDON DRIVE TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTH MONTCLAIR AVENUE TO THE WEST TWO, THE SOUTH EDGE FIELD NEIGHBORHOOD.
GENERALLY BOUNDED BY WEST CLAREDON.
DRIVE TO THE NORTH ELMO BRANCH TO THE EAST DART RAIL LINE TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTH MONTCLAIR AVENUE TO THE WEST.
AND THREE, THE POLK, VERNON POLK POLK POLK NEIGHBOR VERNON NEIGHBORHOOD.
GENERALLY BANDED BY DARK RAIL LINE TO THE NORTH SOUTH VERNON AVENUE TO THE EAST ILLINOIS, ILLINOIS AVENUE TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTH POLK AVENUE, UH, SOUTH POLK STREET TO THE WEST, AND CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 277.83 ACRES.
CONSIDERATION IS CONSIDERATION IS TO BE GIVEN TO APPROPRIATE ZONING TO THE, FOR THE AREA TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO USE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND OTHER APPROPRIATE REGULATIONS.
THIS IS A HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE THE HEARING AND NOT TO RESO NOT THE NING OF THE PROPERTY AT AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. HOLYOKE.
UH, WE'RE READY FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1607 SOUTH TYLER STREET, UM, IN DISTRICT ONE AND A RESIDENT OF POLK VERNON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND I HAD SIGNED UP ONLINE, BUT I'M HERE IN PERSON, SO I FEEL SO SHORT.
UM, A LITTLE, OH, YOU FOUND IT.
UM, WELL THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND, UM, UM, CHAIR, SHE DID, I FIRST OF ALL DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE, UM, PUD STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US AND, UM, OUR CPC COMMISSIONER TURNOCK AND, UM, CHAIR SHEAD AND VICE CHAIR RUBEN FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD ON OUR BEHALF.
AND LISTENING TO FLORAL FARMS, IT GIVES ME SO MUCH LIKE IT'S A CONTINUATION AND WE PROBABLY WEAR ARE WHERE THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO.
UM, I HOPE THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE US AS LONG TO GET TO THE END OF THE, THE, THE ZONING EXPERIENCE.
BUT REALLY, UM, RIGHT DURING THE PANDEMIC, AN AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT INCLUDED THIS PART OF THIS AREA CAME FORWARD TO THIS BODY.
AND THANKFULLY AT THAT TIME, YOU GUYS, UM, VOTED IT DOWN.
UM, MAYBE NOT FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS THAT WE WANTED IT VOTED DOWN, BUT WE DID COME TO SPEAK AGAINST IT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT COMMUNITY DRIVEN.
IT WAS DRIVEN WITH THE INTENT TO LOOK SERIOUSLY AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR INCREASING TRANSIT ORIENTED DENSITY.
AND OUR CONCERN AT THE TIME IS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION.
THIS PRECEDED THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN, WHICH EVERYBODY, I'M SURE IF YOU WERE HERE, YOU REMEMBER, UM, THAT OUR COMMUNITIES CAME OUT TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR CONCERNS ABOUT COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION.
UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD SUCCESSFULLY WITH A WCAP THAT SPECIFICALLY SPOKE TO THIS AREA, THE NEED FOR IT TO BE CITY INITIATED AND VERY MUCH COMMUNITY DRIVEN.
SO TODAY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU WITH AN A REQUEST FOR AN AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT IS LED BY THE COMMUNITY AND IS BEING DRIVEN BY THE CITY.
SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, THERE WAS
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ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.DURING THE PROCESS OF WCAP, THERE WERE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
IT GREW TO INCLUDE SOUTH EDGEFIELD POST WOKE CLAP.
WE GREW TO, UM, EXTENDED THE ARM TO CASA GUANAJUATO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND THE REAL PURPOSE WAS THIS WAS, THIS IS A SWATH OF LAND THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF REPRESENTATION LIKE ELMWOOD IS TO ONE SIDE WINDWOOD NORTH TO THE OTHER VERY WELL ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN WINNETKA TO WINNETKA HEIGHTS ABOVE.
AND SO WE WANTED TO ENCOMPASS THIS AREA AS AS MUCH AS WE COULD SO THAT WE DON'T LEAVE THOSE UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES OUT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE CHECKED A LOT OF THE BOXES.
WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE A AREA PLAN, WE HAVE A DIVERSITY AND EQUITY, UM, YOU KNOW, STATEMENT FROM THE CITY.
SO I'M HOPING THAT IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE US YEARS.
AND, UM, WE REALLY REQUEST, UH, ARE APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND, UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOU VOTE IN SUPPORT OF IT.
I LIVE AT 1110 SOUTH SOUTH POLK STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8.
AND AS A PRESIDENT OF THE NEWLY FORMED SOUTH EDGEFIELD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, I HOPE THAT THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HELP SUPPORT THE CASA TRO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE POLK VERNON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND US, THE SOUTH EDGEFIELD ASSOCIATION TO REACH THE FINISH LINE OF ACHIEVING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS LAID OUT IN THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN, CITY STAFF, NEIGHBORS, AND COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO REFLECT THE WILL OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA.
PLAN, THE AUTHORIZE HEARING PROCESS IS THE LAST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
UH, PLEASE HELP US CROSS THE FINISH LINE AND PROTECT OUR VULNERABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I, UH, LIVE AT 9 1 4 NOLTE DRIVE, UH, 7 5 2 0 8.
AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE SOUTH EDGEFIELD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THANK YOU FOR MOVING OUR AGENDA ITEM UP,
UM, WHEN I RETIRED EIGHT YEARS AGO, I PURCHASED MY HOME THAT I LIVE IN NOW WHERE I ENJOY THE ENTERTAINMENT, THE FOOD, AND THE DIVERSITY.
UM, I LEARNED THAT MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE LIVED, WORKED IN AND BUILT THIS COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS TO GENERATIONS.
UM, THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MY NEIGHBORS AND I TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO KEEP OUR LAND AND ENJOY THE GREAT THINGS COMING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD JUST AS OUR NEW NEIGHBORS MOVING IN WILL.
I'M ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DEVELOPMENT UNDERWAY AT WINDWOOD SHOPPING AND THE DECK.
THEREFORE, I URGE YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I AM AND MY ADDRESS IS 8 1 8 SOUTH POLK STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8.
I AM A RESIDENT IN CASA JUAN JUTO NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I AM THE CO-VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CASA JUAN JUTO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING BECAUSE I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY DESERVES TO HAVE A STAY IN THE CHANGES TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK SOUTH EDGEFIELD AND POLK VERNON NEIGHBORHOODS FOR HELPING US WITH IN THIS PROCESS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US.
UM, MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN CAMACHO.
UM, I LIVE AT 8 1 8 SOUTH POLK AVENUE, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 8.
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OTHER CO VP OF THE CATO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM, TO HAVE THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING.
UH, JUST, UM, MY STORY ACTUALLY DOESN'T START WITH ME.
MY STORY STARTS WITH MY GREAT-GRANDMOTHER WHO HAS LIVED IN THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN NOW.
UM, AND JUST LIKE ME, THERE ARE MANY OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS.
AND I THINK IT IS TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
UM, AND WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN BY ORGANIZING TOGETHER AND ALSO CROSS ORGANIZING WITH OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
UM, AND YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US TODAY.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? YES, WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE.
UM, JUST TO ECHO WHAT OUR OTHER FOLKS SPENT, UH, JUST CONVEYED, I URGE YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I LIVE AT 10 22 ELMDALE PLACE IN T VERNON.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A GRAY AREA WITH A LOT OF POTENTIAL, UM, IN AND GOING FORWARD.
IT'S JUST, UM, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THAT WE WANNA SEE HAPPEN.
UH, MS. MORENO, IT IS MS. MORENO ONLINE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED AT THE TALK OF THAT MIC ON AND OFF A COUPLE OF TIMES.
SORRY, I'M USING MY PHONE AS A SPEAKER.
UM, SO YES, MY NAME IS CARINA MORENO AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF POPE VERNON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I LIVE AT 1 9 1 8 BOYD STREET.
AND I AM IN FAVOR OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
UM, I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF OTHER AREAS BE TARGETED AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY.
WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF NEW INCOMING, UM, BUSINESS ATTRACTIONS AND COMMERCIAL USES SO THAT WE ALSO WANT TO BE A PART OF.
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB AT ASKING OUR NEIGHBORS WHAT WE WANT.
AND I THINK WE ALL ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING.
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLDS WE KIND OF TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, OF THIS SHIFT.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YEAH, HOPE YOU GUYS DO THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.
HOW ABOUT, UH, TALK ABOUT DESANI.
THAT CONCLUDES ALL OUR SPEAKERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, AND THIS IS JUST A MINOR CLARIFICATION.
I HAVE A MAP UP AND I CAN'T QUITE TELL WHAT ALL THE GRAPHICS ARE.
UM, IT JUST APPEARS THERE'S A, I'M GONNA CALL IT A, A CIRCLE.
IT'S NOT A CIRCLE, IT'S SMALL RECTANGLE ON THE UPPER PART OFF OF CLARENDON.
IS THAT INSIDE THE AREA OR OUTSIDE? I COULDN'T TELL IF IT WAS MEANT TO BE A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION.
AND COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IT'S EASIER FOR YOU TO ANSWER IT.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
IF IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A LEAVE OUT OR IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT DESIGNATION.
THAT'S AGAIN, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I, UM, SORRY, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE CHAIR'S MAP.
MAKE IT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT? YES.
SO, UM, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT APPEARS TO BE A LEAVE OUT, WHAT THAT IS.
HI, MEGAN WIER WITH PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.
UM, THAT IS AN EXISTING AUTHORIZED HEARING.
UM, SO IT HAS ALREADY BEEN AUTHORIZED AND THEN THIS AREA.
SO, SO IT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE A LEAVE OUT, BUT BECAUSE IT HAS SEPARATE CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? C NONE.
COMMISSIONER TURNER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION, SIR? IN THE MATTER OF ITEM 34? I MOVE TO AUTHORIZE THE HEARING.
COMMISSIONER SCHLOCK FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
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C ALLS IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
[SUBDIVISION DOCKET: Consent Items]
NOW MOVE TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET.COMMISSIONERS AL, TODAY'S CONSTANT AGENDA CONSISTS OF SEVEN ITEMS. ITEM 22 S 2 34 DASH ZERO FIVE, ITEM 23 S 2 34 DASH 0 5 1, ITEM 24 S 2 34 DASH 0 53, ITEM 25 S 2 34 DASH 0 54, ITEM 26 S 2 34 DASH 0 56, ITEM 27 S 2 34 DASH 50, SORRY, ITEM 26 S 2 34 DASH 0 56, ITEM 27 S 2 3 4 DASH 57, ITEM 28 S 2 34 DASH 60.
ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 22 THROUGH 28 BEGINNING ON PAGE 10? THOSE WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? C? NONE.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION, SIR? YES.
IN, UM, THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET CONSISTING OF CASES 22 THROUGH 28.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CASES, UM, IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[29. 24-826 An application to replat a 0.367-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 9A and part of Lot 8 in City Block C/7071 to create one 0.184-acre (8,000 square foot) lot and one 0.183-acre (7,999 square foot) lot on property located on Valentine Street, east of Bexar Street. Applicant/Owner: Edmor Land1 Series, LLC Surveyor: Texas Heritage Surveying, LLC Application Filed: February 07, 2024 Zoning: PD 595 (R-5(A)) Staff Recommendation: Approval subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 7 S234-052]
SECOND ITEM 29 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 52.AN APPLICATION TO REPLY, A 0.367 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT NINE A AND PART OF LOT EIGHT IN CITY BLOCK C OVER 7 0 7 1 TO CREATE ONE 0.184 ACRE.
THAT IS 8,000 SQUARE FOOT, SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 0.183 ACRE.
THAT IS 7,999 SQUARE FOOT LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON VALENTINE STREET, EAST OF BEAR STREET.
42 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.
WE HAVE RECEIVED YOUR REPLY IN FAVOR AND YOUR REPLY IN, UH, FOR THIS REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, FOR READING THAT OF THE RECORD.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM NUMBER 29? UH, WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE.
UH, YOU DO HAVE GOLDMAN IS ONLINE.
UM, THIS IS YOU TO GOLDMAN AND, UH, WE WILL, I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I ASSUMING HE CAN GET HIS CAMERA ON.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION IN THE CASE OF S 2 34 0 5 2? I'M MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, APPROVE THIS ITEM.
LIBERTY TO THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND.
AND YOU OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.
[30. 24-827 An application to replat a 0.529-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 27, 28 and 29 in City Block B/3122 to create a 12-lot Shared Access Development with lots ranging in size from 1,200 square feet to 1,266 square feet and to dedicate a right-of-way on property located on Patton Avenue at Seventh Street, southeast corner. Applicant/Owner: Arham Opportunity Investments, LLC Surveyor: Texas Heritage Surveying, LLC Application Filed: February 08, 2024 Zoning: PD-468 (Subdistrict A, Tract 2) Staff Recommendation: Denial. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 1 S234-055]
ITEM 30 S 2 34 DASH 0 55.AN APPLICATION TO REPLY, A 0.529 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS, 27, 28,
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AND 29 AND CITY BLOCK B OVER THREE.1, 2, 2 TO CREATE A 12 LOT SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT WITH LOTS RANGING INSIDE FROM 1200 SQUARE FEET TO 1,266 SQUARE FEET.
AND TO DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON PATTERN AVENUE AT SEVENTH STREET SOUTHWEST CORNER.
36 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET AFTER PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ONE REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION, DENIAL OF THE REQUEST.
HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST, STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE APPROVAL BE SUBJECT, SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE LISTED IN THE DOCKET ARE AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.
I'M GONNA BRING UP SOME SLIDES REAL FAST.
AND HOW DO I MAKE THESE VISIBLE TO EVERYBODY? NOPE.
YOU'RE, ARE YOU ON? OKAY, COOL.
UM, BEEN, UH, I'VE BEEN, UH, I GUESS, UH, COMMISSION TO, UH, UH, REPRESENT THIS PLAT IN FAVOR.
UM, I'M WITH, UH, AN DEVELOPMENT SOLUTIONS IN MY OFFICE OUT OF 24 59 HAMILTON DRIVE FROM LEWISVILLE, TEXAS 7 5 0 6 7.
UH, THIS FIRST SLIDE THAT I HAVE HERE IS TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, KIND OF ZOOM OUT AND, AND CONSIDER THIS REQUEST AMONGST THE, UH, OVERALL AREA.
UM, AND, AND, UH, AS IT RELATES TO WHAT STAFF TALKED ABOUT, REALLY THE, I IMMEDIATE ADJACENT USES, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY CITE IN THEIR STAFF REPORT, UH, THAT'S, UH, KINDA MINGLED IN, UM, THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW OUR PROPOSAL IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING.
UH, IT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT, UH, CONSIDERING AREAS, UH, NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, BUT ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT, UH, REQUEST.
UM, THIS ACTUALLY, THIS IS EXCITINGLY TO ME, IT'S SHOWING, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE UNDERLYING ZONING HERE IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE, WHICH IS, UH, A PATTERN OF CHANGE.
SO IF YOU'RE CONSIS, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING AN EXISTING PATTERN HERE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SITE, YES, WE ARE NOT IN CONFORMANCE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, WITH 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS GENERALLY.
UM, HOWEVER, WE ARE, UH, IN CONFORMANCE TO THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THESE GREEN, UH, RECTANGLES AND SQUARES ARE, UH, UH, PLATS THAT HAVE EITHER, EITHER BEEN, UH, APPROVED, UH, FILED WITH THE COUNTY, UH, AND DEVELOPED, UH, LIKE WE SEE TO THE, UH, TO THE SOUTHWEST, OR THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED AND THEY'RE WAITING TO BE FILED AND REDEVELOPED.
I WANNA GET TO MY NEXT SLIDE HERE.
AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, BUT TO, UH, JUST REVISIT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, THIS IS THE, UH, CRAWFORD STREET TOWNHOME SLIGHTLY TO THE SOUTHWEST OF OUR PROPOSED LOT.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE, UM, AS YOU DEVELOP THESE, UH, ADJACENT TO THE LOTS THAT WE WOULD BE DEVELOPING ADJACENT TO AS WELL.
AND HERE'S A, A SITE LOOKING EAST, REALLY, YOU SEE, I KIND OF CENTERED THE, UH, THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE LOOKING EAST AND WEST ALONG NEELY STREET.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, EXISTING HOMES IN THE BACKGROUND AS WELL AND REALLY IN, AND REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT INTENT.
UH, AGAIN, UH, IT'S REALLY HOW YOU SEE THE PATTERN HERE AND HOW IT'S REALLY REFORMING.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT AS A STAGNANT EXISTING PATTERN, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, OR YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL AREA, WHICH IF YOU REALLY BACK OUT
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OF MY, UH, MY AERIAL THAT I, THAT I PROVIDED, UH, IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A POCKET, UM, KIND OF, UH, EAST OF, UH, ZANG, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH OF DAVIS AND ENCOMPASSED TO THE EAST OF THAT BY 35, WE ARE IN THAT CHANGING POCKET, AS YOU CAN SEE.NOW, IF THIS WAS A, A REQUEST WEST OF ZANG, I COULD SEE HOW WE'RE KIND OF STUCK OUT AND ISOLATED AMONGST THE 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UM, I DON'T WANNA READ THIS, UH, THIS, UH, SLIDE TO YOU VERBATIM.
YOU CAN SEE THESE POINTS THAT REALLY KIND OF EXPAND KIND OF THE EXPERIE AND THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE, UH, THE ZONING DISTRICT, UH, AS I READ IT.
BUT THINK ABOUT THIS KIND OF IN THE INVERSE SCENARIO AND THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEING USED, KIND OF TO INFORM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, SHOULD SOMEBODY COME IN AND SAY THEY SWALLOWED UP THREE OF THESE LOTS AND THEY WERE PROPOSING ONE LOT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF LARGER, YOU COULD SEE THAT SAME LANGUAGE THAT STAFF'S USING TO MAKE THEIR, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION IN THE SAME WAY, BUT WHY WOULD THEY DO IT RHETORICALLY? SO I URGE YOU TO, UH, UM, KIND OF SEE PAST THIS SECTION OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A ZONING PROFESSIONAL IN SEVERAL CITIES MYSELF.
IT'S KIND OF A TOP DOWN DEAL, UH, WHERE THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHOULD BE FOLLOWED, WHICH WE ARE, UH, TO THE T AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, UH, TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND, AND GO WITH, UH, APPROVAL WITH SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY OUTLINED IN THEIR STAFF REPORT.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HOUSE? RIGHT, PLEASE.
UM, SO I'M LOOKING AT, AT YOUR PLAT IN OUR REPORT, AND THEN I WAS WATCHING YOUR PHOTOS AND YOU WERE SHOWING US PHOTOS OF WHAT I WOULD CALL AN ATTACHED TOWNHOUSE PRODUCT IN THE WAY I WAS READING THE PLAT.
AND THIS REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU IS YOU, WE THINK YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING ON THIS, UH, APPLICATION A DETACHED SHARED ACCESS, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THAT'S CORRECT.
KIND OF SPINING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT? YES, SIR.
SO THERE, THERE IS SOMETHING OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR APPLICATION IS AND WHAT YOU SHOWED US, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT REALLY TUCKED INTO A CORNER, SO WE'VE GOTTA KIND OF YEAH.
FREE RANGE THESE, UH, THESE UNITS AT THE LOCATION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSED.
AND ALL OF THE GREEN SHAPES ON THE EXHIBIT SLIDE ARE, UM, EITHER TOWNHOUSE OR SHARED ACCESS TOWNHOUSE WITH SOME SHARED ACCESS.
UM, BASICALLY THE EXACT, ALMOST THE EXACT SAME, JUST CONFORMING TO THEIR OWN LOTS AND THE DIMENSIONS THAT THEY PROVIDED, BUT THE SAME PRODUCT THAT YOU SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING AS WELL.
AND WERE THOSE LOTS PREVIOUSLY? R SEVEN FIVE? I BELIEVE A PORTION OF THOSE WERE, I, I DON'T KNOW TO THE T BUT YES, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SIR, COULD YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? SKY THIBODAUX.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR SPEAKER? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER TURNER, PLEASE.
UM, WHAT, WHEN YOU APPLY 8.503 WITH REGARD TO THE TERMINOLOGY ADJACENT AREAS, WHAT, WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A ADJACENT AREA TO YOU? SORRY.
THAT EX MM-HMM, THAT EXACTLY IS A VERY CALM, BUT WE LOOK AT IMMEDIATE VICINITY, UH, IMMEDIATE TO THAT, UH, STREET, UH, WHEN WE SEE THAT THERE IS A LOG PATTERN.
AND THEN ON THIS REQUEST IT DOES MEET THE LOG, UH, AREA REQUIREMENT.
BUT IF WE LOOK AROUND IMMEDIATE, THE PATTERN ARE THE SAME.
AND, UM, OUR CODE HAS A VAGUE TERM FOR THE IMMEDIATE REQUEST.
UH, SO WE, WE LOOK AT WHAT IS ON THAT STREET PLANE, WHAT IS NEXT TO, AND THEN IF WE SEE THAT, UM, ON THE, UH, AREA ANALYSIS, YOU CAN SEE, UH, ALL THOSE LOT ARE AROUND 7,500.
UM, AND THE WIDTH IS ALSO AROUND THE SAME.
THAT'S WHAT WE LOOKED AT IT WHEN WE LOOKED FOR THE LAW PATTERN AND THE IMMEDIATE MISSING.
SO, AND COMMISSIONER TURNOCK, IF I COULD JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT, UM, CHAPTER 51 A DOES NOT DEFINE WHAT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT IS.
SO A COURT LOOKING AT IT, WHICH JUST USE ITS PLAIN ORDINARY DICTIONARY, MEANING, YEAH.
SO CHAPTER 51 A DOES NOT DEFINE WHAT ADJACENT AREA MEANS.
SO A COURT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHO IS TRYING TO FIGURE
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OUT WHAT IT MEANS WOULD JUST USE THE PLAIN ORDINARY DICTIONARY DEFINITION BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEFINED, RIGHT.SO THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
BUT IN HER COPY SHE SAYS IMMEDIATE VICINITY, AND THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
IMMEDIATE VICINITY IN JASON AREA IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND THE, AND THE, YOU SAY DEFINITION DICTIONARY DEFINITION.
THE WAY I WAS APPLYING THIS IS JUST IF YOU'RE DRIVING IN THE CAR WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND YOU COME TO THE STOP SIGN THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF THIS LOT AND YOU SAY, HEY, I REALLY LIKE THIS AREA.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE GENERAL DEF UNDERSTANDING IN THE CAR IS? I REALLY LIKE THE LOTS WE'RE IN FRONT OF, OR I LIKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF ADJACENT AREA TO ME MEANS JUST THAT LIKE I, I KIND OF LIKE THE GENERAL AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE IN AND IF WE'RE APPLYING THAT, UH, WEBSTER'S DEFINITION OF REPLYING, JUST A LAYMAN'S UNDERSTANDING OF ADJACENT AREA, I THINK YOU HAVE TO MOVE OUTSIDE OF IMMEDIATE VICINITY, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL TERMINOLOGY THAT'S IN THE CASE REPORT AND IN HER RESPONSE NOW SHE WENT TO THAT TERM AS WELL.
IMMEDIATE VICINITY AS IF ADJACENT AREA AND IMMEDIATE VICINITY ARE INTERCHANGEABLE TO ME, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, THE, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF IS THE GREEN BOXES THAT, UH, MR. THIBODAUX PRESENTED THOSE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
YOU S THERE WAS SIGHTING OF PREVIOUS CASES AND APPROVALS.
THE ONLY ONE THAT I SAW WAS THE ONE, UM, THERE WAS TWO THAT WERE ACTUALLY OF THE GREEN BOXES THAT, THAT MR. TIBULA PRESENTED THAT WERE NOT IN THE CASE REPORT.
I, I'D LIKE TO CONFIRM FIRM THAT HIS INFORMATION IS CORRECT.
SO IN THE AJA THERE'S AN ADJACENT BLOCK THAT HE SHOWED TWO GREEN BLOCKS, UH, BOXES IN.
CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY CASES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN EITHER WAITING FOR FINAL FILING OR HAVE BEEN, HAVE GONE ALL THE WAY THROUGH? UM, I WOULD LIKE HIM TO PUT UP THAT MAP AGAIN SO I CAN CONFIRM WITH OUR ZONING MAP.
AND, AND WHAT I'M GETTING WITH THIS QUESTIONING IS TO ME, ADJACENT, ADJACENT AREA, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF ADJACENT AREA, I THINK YOU HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY INCLUDE THE ADJACENT BLOCK.
AND I I THINK YOU COULD STRETCH THAT OUT SEVERAL BLOCKS.
AND IF YOU JUST GO TO THE ADJACENT BLOCK ACROSS THE STREET, MR. TEBODA SHOW SAID THAT THERE'S BEEN TWO CASES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
NOT, NOT CASES, BUT, UM, PLAS IT IS, UM, IF HE PUTS THE THING, UH, MAP UP, THERE WAS ONE CASE APPROVED S 2 23 DASH 2 21 ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2023.
UM, IT'S THE SAME KIND OF, UH, IT'S, IT'S A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT TOO.
UH, IT'S ON THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PRESENT REQUEST.
THE GREEN LARGER BOX IS S 2 2 3 DASH 2 2 1 AND IT WAS APPROVED ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2023, UM, AS A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THE LANGUAGE, I CAN READ THEM.
NO, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE BOXES ARE ACCURATE.
I JUST DIDN'T RECALL SEEING THAT ONE LARGE ONE WITH THE GREEN, THAT BIG GREEN, UH, FIELD THAT'S SHOWN THERE IN THE MAP.
AND, UM, ANOTHER SMALL 1, 1 8 9.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT LOOKING AT THE ONE SMALLER THAN THAT, THE GREEN ONE, NOT THE SMALLEST ONE, BUT THE SMALLER ONE.
IF IT IS 1 8 9 DASH 0 1 3, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2018.
AS HE'S NOT SHOWING THE NUMBER, I'M NOT ACCURATE, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE SAME S 1 8 9 0 1 3.
AND IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THE LANGUAGE, I CAN DO THAT.
SO HIS INFORMATION IS CORRECT HOW HE PRESENTED
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THIS IS CORRECT.YEAH, IT SEEMS TWO OF THEM, YES, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THE SMALLER ONE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER SCHOCK IN THE CASE NUMBER S 2 34 DASH 0 5 5, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SCHOCK FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
I, WE HAVE MANY ROBUST DEBATES ABOUT HOW 8.503 APPLIES AND I THINK IN THIS ONE I'M GONNA, UM, PARAPHRASE ONE OF THEIR FORMER OR COMMISSIONERS AND THAT I THINK I'M SEEING A DIFFERENT PATTERN IN THE CLOUD, SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY, ANY OPPOSED TO AND OPPOSITION? HAMPTON AND HERBERT.
[31. 24-828 An application to replat a 0.459-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 10 in City Block 5835 to create two 0.230-acre (10,003 square foot) lots on property located on Wadsworth Drive, south of Great Trinity Forest Way. Applicant/Owner: Imperium Global Management, LLC Surveyor: Burns Surveying Application Filed: February 08, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Denial. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 8 S234-058]
ITEM 31 S 2 34 DASH 0 58.AN APPLICATION TOLAT A 0.459 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING OLIVE LOT CHAIN IN CITY BLOCK 5 8 3 5 TO CREATE TWO 0.230 ACRE.
10 0 0 3 SQUARE FOOT LOTS ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON WARD SWAT DRIVE SOUTH OF GREAT TRINITY FOREST WAY.
EIGHT NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS MEETING 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND DID REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDED AND DENIAL AFTER REQUEST.
HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST, STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE APPROVAL BE SUBJECT TO THE COMPLIANCE LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND ARE AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH? YES, SIR.
HELLO, REGINALD DELOACH, 1947 TORONTO STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 2.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON 5 0 1 8 WEST WORTH DRIVE.
I AM REQUESTING TO HAVE THIS, UM, 1.49 ACRE LOT RE PLATTED INTO TWO 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
IT IS CURRENTLY AT 20, AT 20 FEET, 20 SQUARE FOOT.
UM, THE, I AM FULLY AWARE THAT WITH THE REPL THAT THE WIDTH OF EACH LOT WILL GO TO 54 FEET VERSUS ALL OF THE OTHER LOTS IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE HUNDRED AND ONE OH EIGHT FEET WIDE.
HOWEVER, THERE HAS BEEN NO NEW DEVELOPMENT OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING ON THIS BLOCK SINCE THE ORIGINAL HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN 1946.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF SEVEN LOTS.
UM, TWO HAVE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN 1946 AND ONE WAS BUILT IN 1947.
THERE'S FOUR CURRENT VACANT LOTS AND THERE'S ALSO ONE NON-CONFORMING LOT, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH HOUSED AN ACTUAL CHURCH.
THIS, THIS BLOCK ALSO DOES INTO A MULTI-FAMILY DE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AND ALSO THE ADJACENT LOTS THAT IS ON CORNELL.
I MEAN, I'M SORRY, C GRANVILLE DRIVE WOOD COMPLY WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WELL AS WITH THE LOT WIDTH.
UM, THE CURRENT ZONING IS AT 7.5, HOWEVER I'M PROPOSING TO HAVE THESE LOTS.
UM, WILL MEET THE 7.5 ZONING SQUARE FOOTAGE AS THEY WILL BE 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, I FEEL THAT 20,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR THIS AREA, UM, TO HOUSE ONE HOUSE IS NOT A, UM, APPROPRIATE USE OF LAND USE.
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THANK YOU.ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? WE'RE JUST, YOU ARE ON CASE 31, RIGHT? YES.
'CAUSE WE THOUGHT YOU SAID UH, CAMERA ROCK DRIVE.
NO, I SAID THAT THE LOTS ON THE ADJACENT FROM WADSWORTH.
THEY ARE IN FORM AS FAR AS WITH THE LOT WIDTH.
THEY ARE CLOSE TO THE REPL OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
SO THE LOTS THAT I HAVE IS AT 54, UM, FEET WIDE.
AND THOSE ON CRANBROOK, THEY ARE AROUND 60 TO 70 FEET WIDE.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON BEHALF OF COMMISSIONER BLAIR? I DO.
IN THE CASE OF S 2 3 4 0 5 9, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND NOT FOLLOW STAFFS.
MM, SHE, SHE JUST WROTE IT WRONG.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL BECAUSE THE PROPOSED LOCK DOES NOT CONFIRM CONFORM AND WITH DEPTH AND AREA TO THE LOCK PATTERN.
ALREADY ESTABLISHED AN ADJACENT AREA AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 51, A 5 0 3 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? COMMISSIONERS.
[32. 24-829 An application to replat a 0.163-acre tract of land containing part of Lot 12 in City Block 12/6890 to create one lot on property located on Kemrock Drive, north of Lyola Street. Applicant/Owner: Black Island Construction, LLC Surveyor: Texas Heritage Surveying, LLC Application Filed: February 08, 2024 Zoning: R-5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 8 S234-059]
PLEASE.AN APPLICATION TOLAT A 0.163 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF LOT 12 IN CITY BLOCK TWO OVER 6 8 9 0 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY.
LOCATED ON KIM ROCK DRIVE NORTH OF THE LAST STREET.
25 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON THE FEBRUARY, ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ONE SORRY AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
PASCAL MOJICA 24 0 4 WOODLAWN DRIVE AND IT'S TEXAS 7 5 1 1 9.
AND WE'RE ASKING FURTHER APPROVAL TO HAVE THIS LOT REPLANTED.
THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY THE APPLICANT, BLACK ISLAND, LLC, WITHOUT KNOWING THAT THE PROPERTY HAD NOT BEEN PROPERLY RE REPLANTED.
SO THEY WERE SOLD A PORTION OF LOT 12 THAT WAS NOT REPLANTED, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE REPL OF THE PROPERTY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT ON THE CURRENT PROPERTY THAT WAS SOLD TO THEM FOR LOT 12.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT KO FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HINTON.
UH, MS. SHARMAN, JUST TO CONFIRM, I BELIEVE ON PAGE, UH, 32 J OF OUR DOCKET, THE NEW LOT PROPOSED WILL BE 7,085 SQUARE FEET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING AND NONE? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.
AND IN CASE OF NUMBER S 2 3 4 0 5 9, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? AND NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES NUMBER 33,
[33. 24-830 An application to replat a 1.349-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1 through 3, and a tract of land in City Block 2962 to create 6 residential lots ranging in size from 7,515 square feet to 11,536 square feet and to remove an existing 30-foot platted building line along the north line of Fisher Road, on property located on Fisher Road, at the terminus of Patrick Drive. Applicant/Owner: LeComte Group, LLC Surveyor: Gonzalez & Schneeberg, Engineers Application Filed: February 08, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Hema Sharma Council District: 9 S212-183R]
ITEM 33 S TWO 12 DASH 180 3 R.AN APPLICATION TO REACH FLAT AT 1.349 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOSS.
1, 2, 3, AND A TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 2 9 62 TO CREATE THREE SIX RESIDENTIAL LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 7,515 SQUARE FEET
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TO 11,536 SQUARE FEET.AND TO REMOVE AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE NORTH LINE OF FISHER ROAD ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON FISHER ROAD AT THE TERMINUS OF PATRICK DRIVE.
17 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.
WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLYING FAVOR AND ONE REPLYING OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
THIS REQUEST REQUIRES TWO MOTION BECAUSE IT IS TO RELAID AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE.
THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY REMOVING AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE NORTH LINE OF FISHER ROAD ON PROPERTY, LOCATED ON FISHER ROAD AT THE TERMINUS OF PATRICK DRIVE.
SECOND MOTION IS APPROVE OR DENY THE PLA STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON BUILDING LINE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
LET'S SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
I'M A RESIDENT OF DALLAS 59 0 9 PATO.
UM, ACTUALLY NEWLY NEIGHBORS WITH, UH, MELISSA KINGSTON WHO'S NOT HERE.
UM, WHEN I INITIALLY APPLIED FOR PLAT, THIS IS, UH, FOR A REVISION OF A PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED.
SO THIS HAS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SIX LOTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND GONE THROUGH THE, UH, GONE THROUGH THE SAUSAGE GRINDER, IF YOU WILL, OF THE CITY AND THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
UM, THERE WAS A MISTAKE THOUGH, UH, THERE WAS A, A BUILDING LINE THAT WAS ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SURVEY ON THE INITIAL PLAT THAT, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING AND MY ENGINEER'S UNDERSTANDING INITIALLY WAS THAT, THAT THAT COULD BE REMOVED.
UM, IT WASN'T INTENDED TO BE ON THE FINAL PLAT, IT WAS ON THE INITIAL PLAT.
'CAUSE THE SURVEYOR'S UNDERSTANDING WAS TO PUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON THE SURVEY.
UM, AND, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S BASICALLY AN ERROR.
SO WE'RE HERE TO, UM, FIX THAT ERROR AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE OFFICIAL CORRECT PROCESS OF GETTING THAT BUILDING LINE REMOVED.
UM, IF IT WEREN'T TO BE REMOVED, UM, IT COULD BE POSSIBLE BY STAFF TO INTERPRET, UH, THE CORNER LOT, UM, TO HAVE A MORE RESTRICTIVE SETBACK THAN, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE THE, THE LOT UNWORKABLE.
UM, THAT, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ORDINANCE, UM, MEMORIZED, BUT IT'S IN THE, IT'S THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE FRONT YARD PROVISIONS, THE, THE CORNER LOT PROVISIONS WHERE THE, THE, UH, THE BLOCK FACE WOULD'VE TO BE MAINTAINED.
AND SO THAT 30 FEET, THAT 30 FOOT SETBACK, UM, THAT GOES THROUGH LOTS ONE THROUGH FOUR, AND THEN STOPS MID AND PARTIALLY THROUGH LOT FOUR.
IF THAT WERE TO BE PROJECTED THROUGH, IT WOULD JUST KILL, IT WOULD KILL THE LOT.
UH, IS OUR ONE SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION ONLINE? MS. GRIMES? NO.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEN, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND I, I I CAN ASK STAFF.
I APOLOGIZE I MISSED THE APPLICANT.
IT'S CORRECT THAT THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE LOT SIZE.
IT'S PRIMARILY ADDRESSING THE REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING LINE.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? YOU NONE.
COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? THE FIRST OF TWO MOTIONS IF IT'S FOR APPROVAL? YES.
UH, IN THE CASE OF S 2 12 180 3 DASH, I MOVE TO, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE EXISTING 30 FOOT PLANTED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE NORTH LINE OF FISHER ROAD WITH THE FINDING THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE PLA LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT YARD, SIDE OR REAR SETBACK, LESS THAN REQUIRED BY ZONING REGULATION WOULD NOT BE CONTRARY AND THE PUBLIC INTEREST WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND WOULD NOT, HAS ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ZEER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? SEE, NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ON THE, ON THE SECOND MOTION IN THE, IN THE CASE OF S 202 180 3 R, I MOVE TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE EXISTING, I MEAN, AND DENY THE REQUEST TO MOVE THE EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE.
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THAT I, I HADN'T MADE THAT.I WAS JUST SAYING IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION, I, I WAS AND I, I STOPPED FRIDAY.
I WAS WHAT? YEAH, I'M NOW THAT EVERYBODY'S AWAKE, I WAS
BUT MY SECOND MOTION IS, UM, IN THE CASE OF S 2 12, 180 3 RI MOVE TO FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE REPL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER AND COMMISSIONER HAUSNER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION NOW THAT WE'RE AWAKE? NONE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, THAT TAKES US TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR DOCKET, WHICH IS THE BRIEFING SLASH DISCUSSION OF THE FOUR.
UH, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A BREAK AND, UH, GET SOME COFFEE AND BE BACK ONLINE IN 10 MINUTES.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA HEAD BACK INTO THE, THE LAST ITEM, WHICH
[1. 24-832 Briefing and Discussion on the ForwardDallas Comprehensive Land Use Plan]
IS THE BRIEFING OF THE FORWARD DALLAS UPDATE IS 6:04 PM UH, COMMISSIONERS.WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS IS, UH, MORE IN THE FORM OF A WORKSHOP, A DIALOGUE, A DISCUSSION, UH, BETWEEN OUR BRAIN TRUST HERE AND, AND, UH, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
WE ARE READY TO GO WHEN YOU WANT.
NEED ONE MORE? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 4, 5, 6, 7.
6:04 PM WE'RE READY, GENTLEMEN.
WAIT FROM OUR SCREEN TO SHOW UP AND THEN WE CAN GET STARTED.
OH, MAYBE WE COULD JUST SAY IT OUT LOUD.
BUT SHE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT SHE CAN'T.
WE WE'RE EXACTLY EIGHT, EIGHT PEOPLE, UH, COMMISSIONER.
SO IF ANYBODY LEAVES THE ROOM, WE'LL LOSE QUORUM.
I'M GONNA TIE YOU DOWN TO THAT CHAIR.
UH, SO, UH, AS WE JUMP INTO THIS PRESENTATION, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY START, UM, JUST CLARIFYING A FEW THINGS, UH, QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA JUMP INTO TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE SCHEDULE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS REVIEW PERIOD WITH CPC AND THEN DELVING INTO THE REST OF OUR WORKSHOP TODAY.
UH, SO FOR THOSE ONLINE, UM, JUST HAVE A QR CODE FOR THE ACTUAL PLAN DOCUMENT.
UH, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF IT JUST TO GET IT ON YOUR PHONE OR YOUR COMPUTERS, UH, THAT'S ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE.
UH, FOR, SO FOR TODAY, WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH, UH, THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.
SO FOCUS ON OUR CONVERSATIONS ON THAT.
UH, WE'RE GONNA ALSO TALK ABOUT THE UPCOMING CPC REVIEW AND PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULE, UH, TALK THROUGH SOME DATES AND ALSO TALK TO NEXT STEPS.
UH, SO WE'LL PROBABLY REARRANGE SOME OF THESE ITEMS, BUT THESE ARE THE THREE THINGS WE WANT TO FOCUS ON OUR CONVERSATION ON TODAY.
UH, SO JUST, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS, UH, MOVING FORWARD TOO, JUST, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE.
WANNA REITERATE THAT, UH, WHAT FORD DALLAS IS WE'LL FORWARD, DALLAS IS NOT.
HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WE CONTINUE THIS WORKSHOP THAT'S CLEAR WITH THOSE IN THIS BODY AND IN THE PUBLIC.
UH, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY BEFORE I EVEN START, I'M SORRY, INTRODUCE MYSELF.
NAME IS LAWRENCE AGU, UH, CHIEF PLANNER WITHIN PLANNING URBAN DESIGN.
I'M ALSO HERE WITH PATRICK BLADES CHIEF PLANNER AS WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING DIVISION OF OUR TEAM.
UH, SO AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, IT'S GONNA BE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN BETWEEN US TWO GOING, UH, THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, UH, AND ALSO AGAIN TO SOLICITING YOUR FEEDBACK.
UH, SO IN TERMS OF WHAT FOR DALLAS IS, UH, THIS IS NOT A ZONING DOCUMENT.
UH, THIS IS A VISION AND UPDATE TO THE VISION PLAN THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS.
UH, IT'S MEANT TO PRESENT AND REPRESENT THE IDEAL,
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UM, UH, LAND USE, DESIRE AND ENVISION FOR THE CITY.UM, ZONING ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A, IS A, IS A WAY OF IMPLEMENTING THAT.
SO I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT A ZONING DOCUMENT.
IT HELPS INFORM ZONING, BUT IT'S NOT A ZONING DOCUMENT.
UH, TWO, THIS IS NOT FOR DALLAS DOES NOT CALL FOR THE ELIMINATION OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONING NEIGHBORHOODS OR THE REDUCTION OF LOT SIZES.
UH, OTHER INITIATIVES, UH, WITHIN THE CITY HAVE TOUCHED AND TALKED THROUGH THAT BEFORE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING ANY SINGLE FAMILY ZONING OR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO SINGLE FAMILY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE CITY, HOW DO THEY LOOK LIKE OR HOW SHOULD THEY BE, UH, DEVELOPED OVER TIME, UH, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW THE CITY'S GONNA BE DEVELOPING OVER TIME AS WELL.
AGAIN, CODE AND ZONING IS THE PIECE THAT LOOKS INTO HOW, UH, THE DETAILS OF HOW UM, PARTICULAR PARCELS ARE DEVELOPED.
UH, FOR DALLAS IS FOCUSED ON THE VISIONARY ASPECT WE JUMP INTO WHENEVER.
UM, ALSO FOR DALLAS DOES NOT MAKE, UM, DOES NOT CHANGE NOR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO CHANGE ZONING FOR ANY EXISTING HISTORIC OR CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, AGAIN, IT ESTABLISHES A CONTINUED FRAMEWORK, UM, FOR CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN, HOW COMMUNITIES SHOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, WHAT FUTURE ZONING AND CODE SHOULD ALSO BE, UH, LOOK LIKE.
AND ALSO THINKING THROUGH WHAT AREA PLANS MIGHT NEED TO OCCUR POST FOR DALLAS.
UM, THE FOCUS AGAIN, IS NOT CHANGING ZONING, CHANGING, UH, HISTORIC OR CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.
IT'S THINKING ABOUT THE VISION OF THESE COMMUNITIES IN, IN THE CITY.
UH, FOURTHLY, THIS DOES NOT ELIMINATE OR MODIFY PARKING REGULATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE ARE TALKING THROUGH THAT, WITHIN ANOTHER INITIATIVE, THROUGH OUR PARKING REFORM, OUR PARKING CODE REFORM, THAT'S ANOTHER INITIATIVE HAPPENING, UM, WITHIN THE PLANNING URBAN DESIGN BEFORE DALLAS, UH, IS NOT LOOKING TO MODIFY OR CHANGE PARKING REGULATIONS.
UH, WHAT IT DOES DO, IT TALKS THROUGH URBAN DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW FUTURE LANE USES SHOULD AND COULD INCORPORATE BE INCORPORATED INTO OUR STREETS SCAPE.
UH, SO I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT AGAIN, FORD DALLAS IS MORE VISIONARY IN NATURE, THINKING THROUGH HOW THE SHOULDS SHOULD, SHOULD BE DEVELOPED.
AND THEN THE PARKING CODE REFORM IN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IS LOOKING AT THE, THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN OUR CITY.
AND LASTLY, FOR DALLAS IS NOT PRESCRIBING A ONE SIZE FITS ALL SINGLE, SINGLE ANSWER SOLUTION, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
UH, OUR CITY IS VERY COMPLEX AND VERY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE.
UH, SO WE'RE LAYING OUT AND TALKING THROUGH GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY AS WE ENGAGE ALL ASPECTS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF COMMONALITIES THAT WE SEE.
UH, BUT HAVING A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, UH, SINGLE SOLUTION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN THE CITY, THE SIZE OF DALLAS.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ALL THAT, THOSE PIECES.
UM, WHAT I WANNA DO IS KIND OF PIVOT OUR CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS BODY THINKING THROUGH PROPOSED SCHEDULE, PROPOSED TIMELINES, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, AND THE THE REVIEW COMPONENTS AND PO AND POINTS THAT WE'D LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO, TO HELP US WORK THROUGH.
SO, UM, THIS MONTH, STARTING TODAY, UH, WE WANT TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION ON THE PLACE TYPES, UM, IN TERMS OF ANY TEXTUAL, UH, FEEDBACK YOU HAVE FOR, FOR US TO LOOK AT.
UM, WE HAVE ON THIS SCREEN, THE, THE DARK BLUE REPRESENTS THE, THE REGULARLY CALLED MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE AT CPC.
SO TODAY IS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAVE ON HERE UNDER MARCH, 2024 TO TALK THROUGH THE PLACE TYPES.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE IN RED, ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETINGS.
WE WANT TO THINK THROUGH, UM, THE NEXT FEW MONTHS IN TERMS OF WHEN WE MIGHT NEED TO HAVE A SPECIALTY CALLED MEETING, WHEN WE CAN USE A REGULAR CALLED MEETING TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THESE GOALS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THE HOPE IS BY THE TIME WE GET TO, UH, MAY, UM, EARLY MAY THAT WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
SO THAT MIGHT MEAN MORE ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETINGS.
THAT MIGHT MEAN TWEAKING THE CURRENT SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE.
BUT ON THE, ON THE DRAFT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO START THE CONVERSATION WITH THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS TODAY.
IF YOU'RE ALL ABLE TO DO THAT.
UH, I KNOW I HAD A LONG DAY TODAY.
IF WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIALTY CALLED MEETING AFTERWARDS, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT I WANT TO TALK THROUGH WITH THIS BODY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ALL THINK AND WOULD PROPOSE, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP THIS ON THE SCREEN JUST TO, UH, HAVE A POINT OF CONVERSATION AND SOLICITATE YOUR FEEDBACK RELATED TO WHAT THE NEXT FEW MONTHS LOOK LIKE.
SO WITH THAT, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA OPEN THAT TO THE BODY.
I'LL KEEP THIS ON THE SCREEN FOR A BIT, UM, JUST TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
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CONSIDER, UH, DATES SPECIALLY CALLED HEARINGS FOR, UH, FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION ONE TO, UH, DO FURTHER WORKSHOPS ONCE WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.THE PROCESS AND ALSO SPECIALLY CALLED HEARINGS, PROBABLY WILL BE IN THE EVENING, MAYBE SIX O'CLOCK TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT, UH, ONE FOR SURE.
UH, POSSIBLY MULTIPLE HEARINGS.
SO, UH, IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT OUR, OUR CALENDARS AND KIND OF MAYBE START ROLLING OUT SOME DATES AND SEE WHEN WE HAVE AVAILABILITY.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY LATE APRIL.
UH, DEFINITELY MAY, UH, FOR SOME REASON, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, THE, THE THURSDAY DATE SEEMS TO KIND OF, UH, WORK, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF THE, THE, THE VELOCITY OF THE, THE THINGS THAT WE DO.
THE THURSDAY SEEMS KIND OF THE BEST DATE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A THURSDAY.
SO MAYBE WE, WE COME BACK TO THIS ITEM, LAWRENCE, WE JUST KINDA THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND PERFECT.
AND TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CALENDARS, BUT BE THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I, I THINK BY THE END OF THE HEARING TODAY, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A GOOD IDEA ON WHAT DATES.
DEFINITELY WE WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT.
AND WHAT OTHER DATES WE WANT TO HAVE IS AS WORKSHOPS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE, RIGHT.
WHAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE IS, IS A DISCUSSION AND, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND, AND DISCUSS ANY POTENTIAL ITEMS OR WRINKLES, RIGHT.
OR PLACES WHERE WE, WE MAY NEED TO MASSAGE.
DEFINITELY ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT ALREADY RECEIVING THAT, LAWRENCE, YOU RIGHT, YOU MAY BE RECEIVING THOSE ITEMS NOW.
UM, A FEW, BUT NOT IN, IN MASS.
AND ALSO THIS WILL BE, UH, SHARED AT THE END OF THE, THE DISCUSSION TOO AS WELL.
SO JUST TO KIND OF QUICKLY LOOK AT IT, JUST TO KIND OF GET SOME DATES.
AND THEN WE WILL DELVE INTO THIS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL, UH, TO GET FINALITY IN TERMS OF WHAT STAFF SHOULD DO.
ALL RIGHT, SO AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE CONVERSATION TODAY IS GONNA BE FOCUSED ON THE PLAY TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.
UH, SO FOR THOSE IN, IN THE AUDIENCE, THOSE VIRTUALLY, WE'VE EITHER GIVEN YOU A LINK TO THE DOCUMENT OR YOU HAVE IT, UH, PAPER VERSION OR BOUND VERSION AT YOUR DESK.
SO I WANT TO TALK THROUGH ALL THESE PLACE TYPES IN TERMS OF COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE SPECIFIC TO THE LANGUAGE THAT IT ENTAILS.
UM, AS WE LOOK AT EACH PLACE TYPE, EACH PLACE TYPE HAS TWO SPREADS.
UH, THE FIRST SPREAD TALKS THROUGH THE, THE CHARACTER DESCRIPTIONS, MORE GENERAL IN NATURE, UM, RELATED TO WHAT THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE IS, IS, UM, PROPOSING.
AND THEN THERE'S A FUTURE LAND USE MIX ON THAT SPREAD.
UH, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR KIND OF THAT FEEDBACK IN THAT SECOND SPREAD THAT'S GONNA BE VERY CRITICAL FOR OUR TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT HOW IT'S BEING APPLIED, UM, IN, IN ACTUALITY FROM THAT, FROM THE ADJACENCY STANDPOINT, URBAN DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY KEY, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THESE PLACE TYPES, UH, MAKE SENSE FOR YOU ALL AS, AS REVIEWERS OF ZONING CASES AND OTHER CASES THAT COME THROUGH, UH, FOR, FROM THE CITY.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY GONNA SWITCH TO OUR PDF DOCUMENT OF THE PLAN.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT PAGE BY PAGE AND ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE RELATED TO, UM, THOSE PLACE TYPES.
WE'RE GOING FROM REGIONAL ALL THE WAY TO INDUSTRIAL HUB.
WE'RE GONNA BE DOCUMENTING THOSE, UH, COMMENTS ON THE DOCUMENT, UH, SO YOU ALL CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
OH, SO WE CAN DOCUMENT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, THE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TAKE A QUICK PAUSE.
I'M GONNA SWITCH SCREENS, AND THEN WE WILL BEGIN THE CONVERSATION.
AND JUST, JUST A QUICK NOTE, COMMISSIONERS, AS, AS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, JUST GO AHEAD, UH, WE WON'T TAKE QUESTIONS IN THE END.
I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS DURING THE, THE PRESENTATION HERE.
SO FIRST PLACE TYPE, WE'LL DELVE INTO, UH, THE REGIONAL OPEN SPACE.
UM, I THINK IT JUST BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY START ON THIS ONE, UH, JUST FOR CONTEXT BEFORE THIS PAGE IN THE DOCUMENT, THERE'S THAT PAGE OF ALL THE PLACE TYPES.
UH, THAT ONE'S A SUMMARY OF ALL OF THEM WITH THE, THE LAND USES.
EACH PLACE TYPE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT HAS A, UH, FEATURE, LAND USE MIX AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER.
SO AFTER WE GO THROUGH THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, PAGES, WE'LL THEN UPDATE THAT MASTER SPREADSHEET, THAT MASTER MATRIX BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE HEAR.
SO WITH THAT, JUST OPEN UP FOR, FOR COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
MY ONLY QUESTION ON THIS PLACE TYPE IS ON THE, UM, SUPPORTED USES YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION AND UTILITY.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? RIGHT.
SO IN AREAS WHERE YOU TYPICALLY HAVE LIKE, UH, UH, UM, ENCORE EASEMENT OR SOME KIND OF A TELEPHONE, UH, EASEMENT, UH, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE WE SEE THAT, UM, TYPE OF LAND USE.
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THE, IT'S TYPICALLY SPECIFICALLY TO OPEN SPACE, BUT YOU TYPICALLY SEE THOSE TYPE OF, UH, LAND USES THERE.AND WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THE, THE WHITE DOTS THAT TALK ABOUT A SUPPORTING LAND USE, UM, THAT'S AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT THE PLACE TYPES, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK TO SAY, THIS SHOULDN'T BE ALWAYS THERE, BUT IT COULD BE THERE.
AND THEN IN THE SECOND PAGE OF THAT SPREAD, THAT SHOULD BE WHERE SOME OF THE DETAILS ON.
OKAY, IF IT COULD BE THERE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE GUIDING PARAMETERS THAT WOULD HELP STAFF CPC AND ELECTED OFFICIALS MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? THAT YES, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE THERE.
IF IT MEETS THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROXIMITY OR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, THAT'S WOULD BE WHERE WE'D BE LOOKING FOR THOSE GUIDANCE.
UM, SO THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE ZONING CASES BEFORE YOU, YOU CAN SAY, WELL, IT'S SUPPORTING, BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH THESE POINTS WITHIN THAT PLAY STEP THAT SAY IT'S TOO TALL, IT'S TOO CLOSE TO X, Y, AND Z.
UM, OR, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE THAT WOULD BE IN, IN THE PLAN.
AND ALSO TYPICALLY THE REGIONAL OPEN SPACE, UH, PLAY TYPE IS USUALLY OVER, UH, PUBLICLY OWNED LAND.
UH, SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME PRIVATELY OWNED IN THAT'S FOCUSED ON, FOR EXAMPLE, GOLF COURSES, UH, ARE UNDER THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UH, YOU TYPICALLY SEE OPEN, UH, EXCUSE ME, PUBLICLY OWNED LAND IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
SO I GUESS WE'RE OKAY ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
UH, SO MOVING FORWARD, MS. MAY I HAVE A QUESTION? OH, THE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, PLEASE.
UM, TALKING ABOUT THE CONTEXT, IT SAYS ONE OF THE, LET'S SEE, UH, THIS PLACE PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE.
I'M GONNA SKIP, IT'S A BUFFERING RESIDENCE FROM NOXIOUS USES.
UM, I DON'T SEE LAKE CLIFF PARK OR BUCKMAN LAKE OR WHITE ROCK LAKE OR ANY OF THIS.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF REGIONAL OPEN SPACE TO BE BUFFERING RESIDENTS OBNOXIOUS USES.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? NO.
SO IN SOME CASES WHERE YOU HAVE REGIONAL OPEN SPACE ADJACENT TO ANOTHER CITY, I THINK MAYBE, UM, IRVING WHERE, UH, ALONG 35, UH, THAT COULD BE A WAY WHERE THE, THE REGIONAL OPEN SPACE ACTS AS A BUFFER, UH, FROM THOSE PARTICULAR NOXIOUS USES THAT ARE IN ANOTHER, UH, JURISDICTION.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE, THE, THE USES THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE IN TERMS OF, UH, IN THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE HAD, UM, INDUSTRIAL USES, UH, MOVING THAT OVER TO, IN ESPECIALLY AREAS THAT WE, THE CITY OWNS OR IS PUB PUBLICLY OWNED, UH, BEING ABLE TO USE THE REGIONAL OPEN SPACE PLACE TYPE TO HELP WITH THAT BUFFERING ADJACENT, UH, ADJACENCY ISSUE.
I'M SORRY, WHERE ARE YOU SAYING THAT? UM, REGIONAL OPEN SPACE BUFFERS AGAINST INDUSTRIAL, DID YOU SAY IN IRVING? SO WHERE, UM, THE CITY OF BUTTS, I THINK AROUND FARMER'S BRANCH ALONG, UM, I 35 ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU HAVE A MAP IN MY HEAD, BUT THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE AREAS THAT COMES TO MIND YOU WITH THE, UM, I BELIEVE THERE IS THE, UH, GOLF COURSE THAT'S UP THE OTHER PUBLIC, THE GOLF COURSE THAT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN THAT IF YOU KEEP GOING WEST FROM THAT GOLF COURSE, UM, YOU WOULD RUN INTO INDUSTRIAL LAND USES, UM, THAT ARE IN OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
BUT THAT DOESN'T STILL MEAN THAT THEY AREN'T ADJACENT TO, UM, WELL IT'S FLIGHTED BY, IT'S FLIGHTED BY OBNOXIOUS INDUSTRIAL USES ON THE OTHER SIDE AT DALLAS.
UM, SO JUST ONE I, I GUESS KIND OF FOLLOW UP IS I, I WAS TRYING TO PAGE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE LAND USE MIX AND, AND WHAT ARE IN THE LAND USES THEMSELVES.
SO WHEN PUBLIC INSTITUTION IS INCLUDED HERE, I I I COULD SEE WHERE FOR INSTANCE, SCHOOLS HAVE LARGE OPEN SPACE, BUT I THINK SCHOOLS ARE ALSO INCLUDED.
UM, IN WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF IS, UM, OUR, AND I'M GONNA USE THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY, BUT THE, THE NEW COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW THOSE TWO KIND OF TALK TO EACH OTHER? YEAH, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THERE ARE OVERLAPS, BUT JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THAT'S INCLUDED
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HERE.SO, UM, I I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE PUBLIC OR INSTITUTIONAL LAND USE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE INSTITUTIONAL PLACE TYPE.
UM, AND SO IN THE PARKS AND REGIONAL OPEN SPACE, UH, PLACE TYPE, IT WOULD BE THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD HAVE PUBLIC FACILITIES OR INSTITUTIONAL FACILITIES.
SO, UM, THE AUDUBON CENTER, UM, THE, THE FILTER BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PUBLIC LAND USES OR INSTITUTIONAL LAND USES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR LARGER PARKS, BUT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY CONSIDERED A PARK, A PRIVATE OR PUBLIC PARK LAND USE.
DOES THAT CLARIFY THE QUESTION? NO, IT DOES.
AND, AND SO I'M ON THREE FOUR AND THREE FIVE AND SO I'M, I'M DOING THAT EXACT THING.
I'M TAKING THE, THE GRIDS AND TRYING TO LINE THEM UP AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING DOWN THE LIST OF CIVIC, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL USES AND JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT WOULDN'T HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAPTURED WITHIN THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.
AND PART OF THAT IS, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT THERE, I JUST AGAIN, WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT WAS, WHAT DIFFERENTIATED THOSE? YES MA'AM.
AND ALSO TO PART OF, UH, THAT LAND USE, UH, THINK ABOUT JUST GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS AND WHEN YOU GO TO A PARK, UH, YOU HAVE A GAZEBO OR SOME KIND OF, UH, CIVIC STRUCTURE THAT'S ALSO WITHIN THAT, UH, LAND USE.
AND SO, AND THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO, I HEARD YOU MENTION GOLF COURSES FOR INSTANCE.
SO THAT WOULD BE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, BUT WOULD COVER THEIR ANCILLARY USES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CLUBHOUSE, THE CORRECT, YOU KNOW, YES MA'AM.
ALRIGHT, UH, NO MORE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA SWITCH TO THE SECOND PLACE TYPE OR SMALL TILE RESIDENTIAL.
AND AGAIN, OPEN FOR CONVERSATION RELATED TO, UH, YOUR PREVIOUS REVIEW OF THIS OR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON, UH, ANY OF THESE TWO SPREADS.
AND ALL OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, I BELIEVE THERE'S AN EXPLICIT STATEMENT THAT SAYS INDUSTRIAL HUB SHOULD NOT BE ADJACENT TO THIS PLACE TYPE, BUT IT IS NOT IN THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
WHY IS THAT? UH, THAT SHOULD BE THE CASE.
LET ME DOUBLE CHECK THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE HERE.
IF NOT, WE CAN, WE SHOULD ADD THE LANGUAGE THERE.
SO I'M GONNA ZOOM IN A BIT ON WRONG BUTTON.
UH, SO THIS LINE HERE SAYS INDUSTRIAL U LAND USES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE IN THIS PLACE TYPE.
I THINK WE CAN GO IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE'RE SAYING WITH THE OTHER PLACE.
TYPES HAVE THAT SAME LANGUAGE IN HERE TOO AS WELL.
I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION IF NO ONE ELSE DOES.
SHOULD I GO AHEAD? YES, MA'AM.
UM, UNDER, ON PAGE THREE DASH 12, UM, ST B ONE UNDER ADJACENCIES IT SAYS NEW RAISED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PLACE, TOUCH SHOULD ALIGN WITH THE ESTABLISHED LARGE LOT RANCHETTE STYLE WITH A COMPACT SMALL TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UM, THAT SEEMS VERY DESCRIPTIVE AND IN THE CHART.
I THINK IT ALSO GIVES MULTIPLEXES AS BEING A, A, AN ALLOWED USE HERE.
UM, CAN YOU COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ON, ON THE, UM, COMPATIBILITY OF ALL THAT? YEAH.
SO, UM, WITH THIS EVOLUTION OF THIS PLACE TYPE, UM, THAT, UM, WE HEARD SOME SPEAKERS TODAY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY MOVED TO A CERTAIN AREA DALLAS 'CAUSE THEY ENJOYED
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KIND OF A RURAL LIFESTYLE.UM, AND MM-HMM,
IT'S FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN KIND OF A MORE RURAL OR SMALLER TOWN SETTING.
AND YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN IN A SMALL TOWN IN TEXAS KNOWS CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE MORE COMPACT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY NOT SUBURBAN IN NATURE.
AND AS YOU GET FURTHER AWAY FROM THERE, YOU GET MORE LARGER PROPERTIES.
LARGER LOTTED, THE MORE RANCHETTE TILE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, UM, THIS STATEMENT HERE WAS MEANT BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE FOLKS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SAY, WE DON'T WANT COOKIE CUTTER SUBURBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT HERE.
BUT IT SHOULD EITHER BE LIKE THE OLDER GRIDED STREET NETWORKS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE FIFTIES THAT WERE HERE, OR SOME OF, YOU KNOW, THE MORE RECENT STUFF, WHICH IS A USUALLY LARGER LOTTED, TWO ACRE, THREE ACRE RANCHETTE STYLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S TRYING TO GUIDE THE NEW TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE.
UM, THAT FROM WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THIS PLACE, TYPE IS EITHER ONE OF THOSE TWO THAT MAKE IT LIKE IT'S CLOSER TO A, UH, SMALL DOWNTOWN OR MAKE IT LIKE IT'S THE LARGER, UH, RANCHETTE STYLE TWO ACRE, THREE ACRE LOTS.
AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE, THE MULTIPLEXES.
UH, SO TYPICALLY ALSO WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS COMMUNITY IS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE MULTIPLE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT CAN HAVE MULTIPLE, UH, UH, MULTI USES OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THAT PARTICULAR, UM, AREA.
SO BEING ABLE TO THINK THROUGH HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE, UM, MULTIPLE MULTI-UNITS, UH, WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF, UH, KIND OF RURAL, SMALL, UH, TOWN FEEL.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO HEARD IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO ALLOW FOR THAT TOO AS WELL.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD ANY SPECIFICS RELATED TO THAT VACCINE.
YEAH, IT'S, UH, HORIZONTAL MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A 10 ACRE PROPERTY THAT HAS THREE HOUSES ON IT AND YOU KNOW, OTHER STRUCTURES ON IT.
AND IT'S JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, AGAIN, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S GOING ON IN THESE AREAS OF DALLAS IS THAT A LOT OF THEM FEEL THAT IT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER AND IT'S NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING TO PROTECT THESE COMMUNITIES.
AND SO IT'S TRYING TO ESTABLISH TO SAY, YES, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THESE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES THEN THEY WOULD LIKE TO GROW, BUT THEY'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE SOME THINGS TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT LIFESTYLE.
AND SO IT'S THE IDEA THAT YES, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IF YOU GO FORWARD AND YOU SAY, I HAVE ALL THESE ACRES AND I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I WANNA PUT MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOUSING ON IT.
BUT WE ALL WANT TO BE SPREAD OUT.
I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF HOW THIS DEBT SENTENCE IS GONNA BE USED, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE, YOU KNOW, CURRENT ZONING CASES, UM, IS THERE SOME LANGUAGE MISSING HERE? I MEAN, ARE YOU ACTUALLY ANTICIPATING THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIG SPREAD OF THE RANCHETTE DEVELOPMENT, IT'D BE PERFECTLY OKAY TO, TO ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE A HAVE A VERY DENSE CLUSTER OF, OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLEXES OR JUST DENSER RESIDENTIAL OR, OR IS, ARE THERE CERTAIN PLACES THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE? I THINK IT'S THE LATTER.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO, TO, TO CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE WITH MEMBERS OF CPC.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A CASE THAT COMES UP AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS KLEBERG, RILEY OPPY AREA, IF YOU HAVE A CASE THAT COMES UP IN THOSE COMMUNITIES, YOU CAN POINT TO THIS TO, TO SOMETHING HERE AND SAY, THIS MATCHES WITH WHAT THE, THE VISION FOR THIS PLACE IS BECAUSE IT IS, UH, MORE COMPACT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CLOSER TO A MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL AREA THAT'S CLOSER TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THIS ONE, WHICH IS FURTHER AWAY, IT MATCHES THAT LARGER RANCHETTE STYLE.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, I CAN POINT TO SOMETHING OR ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS CAN POINT TO SOMETHING HERE TO SAY, THIS LANGUAGE FITS, YOU KNOW, I CAN USE THIS LANGUAGE TO JUSTIFY THE REASON WHY I'M VOTING FOR OR AGAINST, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE.
AND GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TODAY, BUT I THINK IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL COULD COMPLETE KIND OF THAT MISSING ELEMENT OR THE WAY THAT THIS IS, THIS READS, UH, PLEASE, WE CAN FORWARD THAT TO US AND WE CAN, UH, PROPOSE AND TALK THROUGH THAT, UM, AT A, AT A LATER MEETING TOO.
BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME IT NEEDS SOME REFINEMENT.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, A PLANNER COULD LOOK AT IT AND GO, WELL, IT SAYS EITHER OR, AND I DON'T SEE ANY MORE GUIDANCE HERE.
SO THERE'S JUSTIFICATION FOR IT IN FORWARD DOWN.
IF THERE'S, UH, NOT OTHER COMMENTS.
UM, SO I HAD A QUESTION ON TWO ITEMS. STB FIVE AND B SIX ON B FIVE, IT'S STATING THAT ANY NEW INDUSTRIAL USE ADJACENT TO THIS PLACE TYPE SHOULD BE ENVIRONMENTALLY LOW IMPACT.
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TO THE LAND USE MIX, IT'S NOT INCLUDING, UM, INDUSTRIAL.COULD YOU SPEAK TO IS THAT JUST RECOGNIZING THAT THEY'VE GOT EXISTING LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY? THAT WOULD BE, IF THERE ARE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL LAND USES THAT ARE NEXT TO THIS PLACE TYPE, SO NOT WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE, BUT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS PLACE TYPE, THAT'S AGAIN, WHERE WE WOULD LOOK FOR THAT LANGUAGE TO SAY IT NEEDS TO MEET X, Y, AND Z FOR STAFF TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR FOR CPC OR LIKE, OR, UM, CITY COUNCIL TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON IT TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, UM, A, A WAREHOUSE, BUT IT'S THIS SIZE WAREHOUSE AND IT'S BUFFERED LIKE THIS AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT HAS, UH, MITIGATED THE, THE NEGATIVITY OF, OF ITS LAND USE.
THEREFORE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR APPROVAL FOR IT, UM, WHERE IT'S NOT IN THIS PLACE TYPE, BUT WHERE IF IT'S PROPOSED NEXT TO THE PLACE TYPE, WHAT ARE THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD SAY, OKAY, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
I JUST, I, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT LANGUAGE MAY NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY TO IT.
I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, READING IT THE WAY THAT I DID AND NOT TRULY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SEPARATE AREA, UM, NOT WITHIN THAT.
AND THEN A QUESTION ON, UH, STP SIX WHERE SPEAKING OF, UM, AT ATTACH SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED COMPACT, COMPACT FAMILY MULTIPLEXES, I, I SEE IT TALKING ABOUT ADJACENT TO LARGER ROADS.
IS THERE ANYTHING, UM, THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THERE, UH, SPEAKING THROUGH CORRIDORS? I, I THINK THE ROADWAYS TRY TO THAT DIRECTION, BUT AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I HEARD YOU MENTION THE SMALL TOWN DOWNTOWN AGAIN, THAT IT'S PART OF A NOTE WITHIN THERE, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF SAYING LARGER ROAD TO REALLY CAPTURES MAYBE THE SPIRIT OF WHAT'S INTENDED IT.
YEAH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT REVISING THE LATTER HALF OF THAT STATEMENT OR THAT SENTENCE, UM, UNDER STB SIX, UM, TO PROVIDE BETTER CLARITY ON THIS IS WHY IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CORRIDOR, UM, OR IT'S A, AN ACTIVITY NODE OR IT'S A MIXED USE AREA.
AND THAT'S WHERE THESE TYPES OF SUPPORTING LAND USES SHOULD GO OR COULD, EXCUSE ME, COULD GO, UM, YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT SECOND SENTENCE.
I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP COMMENT.
UM, BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS POINTING OUT ABOUT STB FIVE WHERE IT SAYS, ANY, ANY NEW INDUSTRIAL USES ADJACENT TO THIS PLACE, TYPE, ET CETERA.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE THAT INCLUDES THAT LANGUAGE.
SO ONE, IT SEEMS TO PERPETUATE THE, THE, THE PRE-JUDGMENT THAT INDUSTRIAL IS THE PLACE TO, THIS IS A PLACE TO PUT INDUSTRIAL, I THINK, SO THE, IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S TRYING TO SAY THE OPPOSITE.
I MEAN, IN OTHER PLACES IT'S NOT, IT'S TRYING TO SAY THE OPPOSITE, THAT INDUSTRIAL SHOULD NOT BE HERE AND INDUSTRIAL HUBS SHOULD NOT BE NEXT TO IT, BUT THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, WELL, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA PUT INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO IT, LET'S DO THESE THINGS.
BUT THAT ANY NEW INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT FOR ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, WHICH SEEMS TO PUSH IT IN THIS DIRECTION, WHICH ISN'T EXACTLY EQUITABLE.
NO, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
I THINK APPLYING THAT SAME LANGUAGE HERE MAKES SENSE.
I THINK THE INITIAL IDEA BEHIND IT WHEN WE STARTED TO DEVELOP THAT LANGUAGE WAS THINKING ABOUT KINDA THAT PLACEHOLDER AG ZONING THAT BASICALLY ANYTHING BECOMES, UM, WHATEVER, UH, IN, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO I THINK WE WANTED TO AVOID OR THINK THROUGH THAT, BUT I THINK ADDING THAT LANGUAGE THAT THE OTHER PLACE TYPES, THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES HAVE, UH, SHOULD BE ABLE TO KIND OF HELP ADDRESS THAT.
SO WITH THAT, IF NO OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO TO OUR NEXT, UH, PLACE TYPE, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, AND BEFORE WE EVEN DELVE ACTUALLY INTO THAT, THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, WE WE'RE GONNA GIVE SOME BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS PLACE, TYPE, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL BASE COME BACK TO THIS PDF TO, TO TALK THROUGH, UH, YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS.
SO ONE SECOND AS I SWITCH AGAIN, UM, AND WE WILL CONTINUE.
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ALRIGHT, SO THIS, UH, AS WE TALK THROUGH, THIS IS GONNA BE A BE A KIND OF TAG TEAM APPROACH FROM BOTH ME AND PATRICK.UH, SO AGAIN, AS WE GO THROUGH THE REVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE, SO WE WANNA JUST BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD TO GET THIS TO THIS POINT, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE HEARING NOW.
UH, SO AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF TALK, GIVE A A BIG BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT WE HAD, UH, RELATED TO THIS PLACE TYPE.
SO, UH, AT THE BEGINNING, UH, THERE WERE TWO RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES AND FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY WERE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT ARE THE MAIN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE TWO SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPES? UH, IT'S HARD TO DISTINGUISH THAT BASED ON WHAT WE HAD AT THE TIME.
PLEASE CLARIFY, THAT WAS A KIND OF A ONE SENTIMENT THAT WE HAD.
UH, TWO, UH, ONE COMMUNITY MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN ONE SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPE.
UH, AND WE'RE CURIOUS WHY THE OTHERS WERE IN, UH, ANOTHER PLACE TYPE.
UH, SOME CAME TO US AND SAID, ALL OF THESE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD BE TREATED EQUITABLY, UH, AND, AND WE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER SENTIMENT THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND THEN THIRDLY, UH, DOES THE FUTURE DENSITY, UM, AND LAND USES LOOK DIFFERENT IN THESE, THE TWO PLACE TYPES THAT WE HAVE BEFORE? UM, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE MAJOR SENTIMENTS IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM.
UM, HOW DOES LAND USE AND URBAN DESIGN AND DENSITY LOOK IN THOSE TWO PLACE TYPES? AND THEN HOW IS EQUITY BEING LOOKED AT REGARDING HOW PEOPLE ARE IN EACH OF THESE PLACE TYPES? SO AT THE TIME WE HAD TWO PLACE TYPES, AND THERE WERE THE, THE MAIN DIFFERENTIATING PIECE WAS THE KIND OF THE STREET CONFIGURATION.
UH, SO ONE WAS MORE SUBURBAN IN NATURE, UH, ONE WAS MORE, UH, MORE GRIDED IN NATURE.
BUT, UH, IN GENERAL, THE LAND USES, UH, WERE, WERE THE SAME BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE.
UH, SO AS WE WENT BEFORE CLUB AND PROVIDED THEM WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, WE GAVE THEM BASICALLY AN OVERVIEW OF, UH, MAYBE TWO WAYS OF ADDRESSING SOME OF THE EQUITY, UH, ISSUES THAT WERE BEING BROUGHT TO US IN TERMS OF KIND OF CLARIFYING HOW MAYBE TWO PLACE TYPES, UH, COULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT I THINK THE ISSUE THERE FROM, FROM THE FEEDBACK WAS THAT THERE'D STILL BE TWO PLACE TYPES.
AND THE, THE QUESTION BEHIND WHY IS ONE, UH, WHY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EACH OF THOSE IF THE LAND USES ARE THE SAME? AND, UM, THE, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS DIFFERENT WAS THE, UH, URBAN DESIGN COMPONENT.
SO THAT WAS, UH, ONE OF THE PLACE TYPES, OR I GUESS ONE OF THE OPTIONS AND THINGS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANT COMMITTEE, UH, WAS SHOWING THEM, UH, MAYBE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, UM, ISSUES OR CONCERNS REGARDING, UH, BEING IN ONE PLACE TYPE OR THE OTHER.
UH, TRY TO CLARIFY THAT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT DIFFERENCE IN FORM.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF ONE, ONE APPROACH.
THE SECOND APPROACH, UH, WAS TO BASICALLY COMBINE THOSE TWO INTO ONE.
AND IF YOU NOTICE AS I GO BETWEEN THE FIRST OPTION AND THE SECOND OPTION, THE TEXT IS THE SAME.
UM, SO THE, THE SECOND OPTION WAS TO COMBINING THE TWO PLACES INTO ONE WAS TO, ONE, CLARIFY ON, ON FROM A GEOGRAPHICAL PERSPECTIVE THAT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THERE WASN'T ONE PREFERENCE OR ONE WAS BEING, UM, REGARDED SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR ANYTHING REGARDING DENSITY OR, OR FORM.
UH, WE WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THAT.
WITHIN THE CITY THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SINGLE FAMILY, UM, CONFIGURATIONS, BUT IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE, UH, THEY'RE THE SAME.
SO WE PROPOSED THAT THIS OPTION, UH, IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE.
AND IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HEARD REGARDING HAVING THE TWO, UM, IN THE CITY AND THE CITY MAP THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY SOME RESIDENTS, UH, THIS WAS THE DIRECTION THAT THEY PROVIDED US TO GO FORWARD WITH.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT.
YEAH, JUST WANTED TO TO PAUSE BRIEFLY TO, TO SAY THIS WASN'T A, AN AN HOUR LONG CONVERSATION.
THIS WAS A CONVERSATION THAT TOOK A NUMBER OF WEEKS, UH, WITH K CLUB.
UM, AND THEY GAVE A LOT OF REALLY THOUGHTFUL INSIGHT ON WHAT WHAT SHOULD FORWARD DALLAS DO WITH THESE AREAS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THEIR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY CLEARLY THEY SAID, WE CAN'T BE TREATING THESE NEIGHBORHOODS DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT? WE'VE TREATED THEM DIFFERENTLY FOR YEARS IN AN UNEQUITABLE MANNER.
WE NEED TO TREAT THEM IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER.
UM, AND SO THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE GOT FROM KLE TO SAY, MAKE THIS
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ONE PLACE TIGHT, MAKE IT APPLICABLE THROUGH ALL OF THE BASIC, MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS EXCEPT FOR THE REALLY DENSE CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, MAKE IT FOR ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.AND HERE ARE THE LAND USES THAT SHOULD BE, UM, ALLOWED, UM, AS PRIMARY OR SECONDARY IN THOSE AREAS.
RIGHT? AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION BEGAN WITH THE COMMUNITY WHO BROUGHT IT UP TO US.
I THINK THAT WAS IN SEPTEMBER.
UH, AND WE HAD KINDA THE FINAL KIND OF, UH, CLUB DRAFT IN JANUARY.
SO I THINK WENT THROUGH THOSE MULTIPLE MONTHS OF REFINING, UH, THE LANGUAGE HERE.
UM, ALSO TWO, I THINK KINDA THINKING ABOUT HOW DID WE EVEN GET TO THE FIR THE TWO AT THE BEGINNING.
SO AS STAFF OR COMMUNITY OR CONSULTANT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, UH, THESE PLACE TYPES.
ONE, ONE QUESTION THAT WE HEARD OR ISSUE THAT WE HEARD WAS BEING CLEAR IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FORM AND TYPES OF PLACES THAT EXIST IN THE CITY.
UH, SO FROM A, FROM LOOKING BACK AT THE FOUR DALLAS 2006 PLAN, WHERE KIND OF EVERYTHING WAS KIND OF LUMPED INTO ONE BUCKET, UH, WE WANTED TO HELP ADDRESS THE CLARITY OF THAT, UH, THROUGH THE PLACE TYPES.
SO I THINK THE INITIAL IDEA WAS LOOKING THROUGH MAYBE TWO PLACE TYPES.
UM, I THINK THE CURRENT FORM OF THIS TALKS THROUGH THOSE TWO FORMS, THE URBAN DESIGN FORMS, BUT THAT'S DEFINED WITHIN THE ONE PLACE TYPE.
SO I THINK IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE TWO URBAN FORM CHARACTERISTICS OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR CITY, UH, THAT WAS THE APPROACH, UH, THAT WAS, THAT WE WERE GUIDED TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
SO JUST GOING BACK TO THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM CLUB, UH, COMBINING THE TWO INTO ONE, UH, KIND OF HELPED TO THINK ABOUT JUST EQUITABLY IN THE CITY, HOW, HOW POTENTIAL FUTURE GENTLE DENSITY SHOULD BE, UH, ADDRESSED AND OCCURRED.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE ONE PLACE TYPE OR THE OTHER.
UH, LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMUNITIES AS, UH, KIND OF ONE TYPE OF PLACE IN THE CITY.
UM, AND, AND KIND OF TREATING THOSE THE SAME.
THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE WERE STRESSED FROM CLUB.
AND THEN TWO, CLARIFYING THE URBAN DESIGN, THE FORM DIFFERENCES IN THE LANGUAGE.
SO WE DO THAT IN OTHER PLACE TYPES.
THE CITY RESIDENTIAL TALKS ABOUT, UM, HOW WE LOOK AT BASICALLY APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN A MORE SUBURBAN NATURE VERSUS WHAT HAPPENS IN CITY CORE.
UH, THE LOGIS LOGISTICS HUBS LOOKS AT THE LARGER, UM, OR KIND OF URBAN FOOTPRINT THAT YOU HAVE REGARDING THOSE TYPE OF USES VERSUS MAYBE A MORE SMALLER BUSINESS PART KIND OF FACILITY.
UM, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT THE ONE THAT WE HAVE THAT TOO IS LOOKING AT THE TWO, THE, THE TYPES OF EVER INFORMED DIFFERENCES THAT OCCUR IN THE PLACE TYPES.
SO WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE OTHER PLACE TYPES.
WE'RE ALSO ADDRESSING THOSE DIFFERENT FORM CHARACTERISTICS.
YEAH, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS PLACE TYPE AND THEN THE CITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, THIS IS A PLACE TYPE WHERE YOU OPEN THE DOOR, YOU LOOK LEFT, YOU LOOK RIGHT, YOU SEE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, THERE ARE GONNA BE OTHER THINGS AND PARKS AND SCHOOLS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT MAKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GONNA BE OTHER TYPES OF LAND USES THAT THERE.
BUT YOU OPEN THE DOOR, IT'S, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, THE CITY, RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE THAT WE'LL GET TO HERE IN A SECOND, THAT'S WHERE YOU OPEN YOUR DOOR.
AND IT'S NOT SINGLE FAMILY ANYMORE.
IT'S MORE TOWN HOMES, APARTMENTS, THAT TYPE OF STUFF WHERE YOU'VE GONE AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY.
BUT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE YOU'VE, AGAIN, OPENED THE DOOR LEFT, RIGHT? IT'S A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THIS PLACE, TYPE.
UH, SO THIS SLIDE YOU CAN JUST KIND OF DELVES INTO THE LANGUAGE OR SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UH, AGAIN, FOCUSING ON KIND OF THE SENSITIVITY OF HOW, UH, OTHER TYPES OF, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT MULTIPLEXES OR, OR ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY, UH, SHOULD BE APPLIED WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
UM, THINKING ABOUT ALSO TOO, UM, THAT THE LOCATION OF MAYBE, UM, COUNT TOWN HOMES OR OTHER TYPES OF MULTIPLEXES WHERE THAT SHOULD BE LOCATED.
MAYBE THINKING ABOUT OUR STATIONS, TODS BEING MORE SPECIFIC WITH WHERE AND HOW THAT APPLIES IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, PLACE TYPE.
AND THEN ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES IN FORM RELATED TO THE MORE SUBURBAN NATURE, AND THEN THE MORE GRIDED NATURE THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY.
AND TALKING ABOUT HOW THOSE TWO ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE, UM, TALKED AND ELABORATED UPON IN THE NEXT, UH, SPREAD OF THIS PLACE TYPE.
BE BECAUSE A, AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, CLE SAID THERE ISN'T A DIRECTION RIGHT NOW THAT OUR VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE ISN'T A DIRECTION ABOUT WHERE THESE DIFFERENT THINGS SHOULD GO.
SO THEY SAID, OKAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME BETTER DIRECTION ABOUT WHERE THESE THINGS COULD GO.
WHERE SHOULD THEY BE? THE MAIN THING, WHERE SHOULD THEY BE A SUPPORTING THING? UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOMEONE TOMORROW COULD GO AHEAD AND DECIDE, I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT A ZONING CHANGE TO BUILD AN APARTMENT BUILDING, THERE'S NO GUIDANCE THAT SAYS YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT, OR YOU SHOULD BE, OR YOU COULD OR YOU COULD NOT.
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE, BE THAT GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, OKAY, WHERE COULD IT HAPPEN IN THESE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS? RIGHT.
AND I FORGOT TO MENTION TOO, WHEN WE WERE GOING OVER THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT VERSIONS AND THE, THE, UM, OPTIONS
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THAT WE PROVIDED TO CLUB THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WHEN THEY SAW, UH, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE VERSUS WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.UH, A FEW THINGS THAT CAME TO MIND BEFORE, BEFORE THEY EVEN READ THE DOCUMENT WAS JUST KIND OF CLARITY IN TERMS OF HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT A COM THEIR COMMUNITY IS GONNA BE PRESERVED, UH, THEIR COMMUNITY IS GONNA BE MAINTAINED.
SO I THINK EVEN SEEING HOW I THINK THE DOCUMENT WAS DEVELOPED, NOT NOT EVEN READING THE DOCUMENT, UH, THEY JUST WANTED TO PRO WANTED US TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY TO THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDED OPTIONS IN TERMS OF, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TWO PLACE TYPES, UH, HOW WE CLARIFIED THE TWO FORM IN ONE PLACE TYPE.
UM, THAT, THAT'S STILL FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEY'RE VERY VALID IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE TWEAK THIS DOCUMENT AND THE TEXT, UH, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, REAL ISSUES FROM THESE COMMUNITIES.
UH, 'CAUSE OUR INTENT IS NOT TO DO ANY OF THAT, BUT WE WANT TO BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF HOW CAN WE TWEAK THIS DOCUMENT FURTHER AND REFINE IT TO ADDRESS, UH, SOME OF THE EQUITY CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD FROM K CLUB, BUT ALSO TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UH, SO AGAIN, THIS JUST KINDA SHOWS THE SECOND, UM, SPREAD OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, AGAIN, AND WE'RE DE IN THIS A BIT IN DETAIL, BUT WE WANT TO KIND OF PROVIDE AS MUCH, UH, BACKGROUND AS POSSIBLE.
UH, SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, MULTIPLEXES TOWN HOMES AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE DESIGNED IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
UH, THIS PLACE TYPE, UH, TAKES OVER, I BELIEVE 44% OF THE CITY OF DALLAS LANDMASS.
SO IT'S, IT'S VERY LARGE AND IT JUST DOESN'T COVER ONE SPECIFIC KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE A LOT OF LAME USES THAT ARE WITHIN THERE.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW TOWN HOMES, DUPLEXES, MULTIPLEXES, UH, THAT ARE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS OR, OR COULD BE BUILT IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, IT SHOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHEN THEY HEAR CONTEXT SENSITIVE, UM, THEY CAN ALSO THINK THROUGH LIKE, CONTEXT SENSITIVE DOESN'T LOOK THE SAME IN OTHER PART IN EVERY PART OF THE CITY, A HUNDRED PERCENT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT CONTEXT SENSITIVE MEANS.
SO WHEN YOU'RE IN ONE PART OF TOWN AND YOUR CONTEXT AND YOUR COMMUNITY HAS A DIFFERENT WAY OF THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING LIKE VERSUS ANOTHER AREA, THIS LANGUAGE SAYS THAT THAT REVIEW, THAT, UM, ANALYSIS SHOULD TAKE INTO EFFECT AND BE APPLIED, UH, IN THOSE CASES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THROUGH THE LANGUAGE HERE, IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE A, A CAR BLANCHE APPROACH, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING CONTEXT SENSITIVE IN HOW IT'S BEING APPLIED, UM, IN THE CITY.
SO THIS GRAPHIC, AGAIN, SHOWS ON THE LEFT SIDE JUST THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE SITE, UH, COVERING 44% OF THE CITY.
UH, WHAT WE DID, WE LOOKED AT THE CURRENT LAND USES THAT ARE ACTUALLY UNDERNEATH THAT PLACE TYPE.
AND I'M NOT GONNA ZOOM INTO IT TOO MUCH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S MULTIPLE COLORS.
UH, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY PARKS, INSTITUTIONAL, THEY ALL EXIST UNDERNEATH THAT, UH, PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE NOW.
UH, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE HERE IS THAT THE CURRENT LAND USE USES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THIS PLACE TYPE, UH, IS VERY, IT'S VARIED, UH, AND IT COVERS A LOT OF LAND USES.
IT'S NOT A SINGLE LAND USE, IT'S NOT EVEN A SINGLE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE TYPES OF SINGLE FAMILY THAT EXIST WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PLACE TYPE.
SECONDLY, I GUESS ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, WE'RE SHOWING THE ZONING MAP WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT INCLUDES ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF R RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
ALSO, THERE'S SOME TOWN HOMES, THERE'S SOME AGRICULTURAL MULTI-FAMILY.
THOSE ARE ALL WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE AS WELL TODAY.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE ONE, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT, UM, FOR DALLAS IS GOING TO MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LANE USES THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT'S GONNA DESTROY THE CHARACTER OF WHAT WE'RE HAVING.
WE'RE JUST KINDA SHOWING WHAT'S KINDA EXISTING.
THERE'S A LOT OF LANE USES AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE.
AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THIS PLACE TYPE IS PRETTY MASSIVE IN TERMS OF SCALE.
WHEN WE DELVE INTO THE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TYPE AREA PLANNING THAT COULD, UH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN AFTER, BEFORE DALLAS.
YOU CAN THEN GO INTO MAYBE MORE SPECIFIC, UM, DESIGNATIONS OF LANE USES.
AND IT MIGHT, MIGHT BE IN SOME AREAS JUST SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, BUT LOOKING AT THE PLACE TYPE AND HOW IT'S APPLIED AND THE, THE SIZE OF IT IN THE CITY, UM, IT COVERS MULTIPLE LAND USES AND MULTIPLE ZONING CATEGORIES.
SO I ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA SHARE ANYWAY, SINCE IT HERE, I THOUGHT I HAD IT
SO, UH, WHAT WE DID KIND OF BACK, BACK OF HOUSE KIND OF ANALYSIS, UH, WE LOOKED AT CURRENT FOR DALLAS 2006, AND WE LOOKED AT THE LAND USES THAT, THAT, UH, THAT LAND USE OR THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE HAS IN COMPARISON WITH THIS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
UH, SO FOR DALLAS 2006 DID THE SAME THING WITH WITH PLACE TYPES.
AND THEIR RES, THEIR VERSION OF COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL WAS CALLED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SO IF YOU LOOK, SO THE FIRST COLUMN REPRESENTS FOUR DALLAS RIGHT NOW.
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DRAFT, THE SECOND COLUMN REPRESENTS THE FOUR DALLAS 2006.AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THOSE LANE USES ON THE BOTTOM WITH THE, WITH THE BLACK AND WHITE DOTS, THE BLACK DOTS REPRESENT, UH, PRIMARY USES THAT THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE, UH, INDICATES IN IN FOUR DALLAS 2006.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT FOUR DALLAS 2.0, THE ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DRAFTING, UM, IT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF LAND USES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
SO IN TERMS OF, UH, THE NARRATIVE OF, UH, FOR DALLAS TRYING TO ELIMINATE AND DESTROY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN FOUR DALLAS 2006.
SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO LOOK AT THE OTHER CITIES IN, IN, IN THE METROPLEX THAT ARE ADJACENT TO US.
IRVING, ARLINGTON, FRISCO, DESOTO, UM, I THINK I HAVE HERE KENDALE AND WILMER.
WILMER, TEXAS HAS MORE ALLOWED PRIMARY USES FROM A, THEIR SINGLE FAMILY SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD THAN THIS CURRENT, UM, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE.
LIFE DOES, AND THEIR DENSITY IS LESS THAN, UH, MAYBE A QUARTER OF OURS.
SO JUST IN TERMS OF CONTEXT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE WHAT THIS PLAN IS SHOWING RELATED TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING VERSUS FOR DALLAS 2006 AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN A REGION.
UM, SO I THINK HAVING A PLACE TYPE THAT'S ONE SPECIFIC, UH, SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE, THAT'S, THAT'S NOTHING THAT WE SEE IN THE REGION, UH, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW THE CITY, HOW THE CITY OF DALLAS COMPARES IN TERMS OF ITS DENSITY, IN TERMS OF ITS GROWTH VERSUS THE OTHER CITIES.
I THINK WE WANNA JUST BE MINDFUL OF THE CONTEXT AND WHERE THIS SITS, UH, WITHIN OTHER CITIES, OTHER CITIES IN THE METROPOLITAN.
SO WITH THAT, THAT'S OUR KIND OF BACKGROUND BRAIN DUMP.
UH, SORRY IF WE BOARD ANY OF Y'ALL ON THAT.
UH, I WANT TO THEN SWITCH BACK TO THE, THE PDF AND THEN TALK THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS REGARDING THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER HOUSEMAN.
UH, I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, I THINK YOU HELPED ME AT ONE POINT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING AT THE MOMENT IS SIMPLY A COMBINATION OF THE TWO THAT WERE IN THE SEPTEMBER DRAFT.
UH, CORRECT AND MODIFIED, YES.
UM, A KIND OF A MINOR COMMENT, BUT MAYBE AN IMPORTANT COMMENT TO SOMEONE WHO'S LIVES IN A MORE SUBURBAN DISTRICT ON PAGE THREE 15, UH, YOU KNOW, I LIKE YOUR LOCAL EXAMPLES, YOU KNOW, LAKEWOOD, WINNETKA, BUCKNER TERRACE, ET CETERA.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE, IT'S ONLY PRESTONWOOD THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SEVENTIES OR THE EIGHTIES OR, OR NEWER, YOU KNOW, THOSE, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF, OF SORT OF PRE-WORLD WAR II NEIGHBORHOODS IN THERE.
AND I, I ASSUME THAT THIS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL IS MEANT TO APPLY TO THOSE OF US IN DISTRICT 10, OR DISTRICT 11, DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT THREE, THAT ARE IN MORE OUTLYING AREAS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE MUCH, MUCH NEWER SUBURBS.
AND SO JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD HELP MAKE THAT MORE CLEAR IF THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE DIVERSITY IN THOSE.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH EXAMPLES IS THERE'S ALWAYS MORE, OR THERE'S EXCEPTIONS OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, SO I GUESS I WOULD, I WOULD KIND OF BACK INTO A QUESTION.
THIS CR PLACE TYPE OBVIOUSLY DOES APPLY IN SOME OF THOSE, IN ALL OF THE, REALLY ALL OF THOSE DISTRICTS, RIGHT? YES.
SO WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD SOME EXAMPLES FROM, UM, THE, THE REDBIRD AREA, UM, FROM LAKE HIGHLANDS, FROM FAR NORTH DALLAS, RIGHT? UM, AGAIN, AS YOU MENTIONED, AT ONE POINT, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A LIST OF ALL 30, YOU KNOW, 317 DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AS OUR EXAMPLES, BUT, RIGHT, YES.
WE CAN LOOK AT THE DIVERSITY OF THOSE, UH, EXAMPLES.
UM, AND LASTLY, UM, AT THE TOP OF 3 17, 3 16, I MEAN, I, I FIND THIS OBSERVATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE MADE ABOUT KER LINEAR STREETS AND GRIDED STREETS, I THINK FIND THAT INTERESTING.
AND I, I, I, I DO SEE SOME, PERHAPS SOME RELEVANCE TO ALL THIS.
I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A, A, A STATEMENT ABOUT THIS PLACE TYPE.
AND THE, THE ENTIRE, UH, FORWARD DALLAS DOCUMENT THAT I'VE, I'VE MADE TO SOME OF THE STAFF ALREADY IS THE SIMPLICITY AND UNDERSTANDABLE, UH, LANGUAGE, ET CETERA, FOR THE LAY PERSON.
BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THIS HAS ALREADY CREATED A LOT OF FEAR AND ANXIETY IN THE CITY THAT THIS DOCUMENT THAT'S CIRCULATING AROUND.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I, I GET INTO THE VAL LINEAR GRITTED THING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I SIT HERE AT THIS HORSESHOE AND, AND KIND OF FOR WHAT I DO AT A LIVING, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LAY PERSON CARES.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE, WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE
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BUILDINGS AND THE DENSITY AND, AND THAT, THAT KIND OF THING.SO, UM, I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT, PERHAPS A LITTLE MORE LAY FRIENDLY.
WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS OF, WELL, ALL THE, THE SECOND SPREADS AND ALL THE PLACE TYPES, THIS IS VERY COMPLEX SERIES OF SCENARIOS HERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS, BUT, UM, NO, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I THINK AS WE, AS WE DEVELOPED THE, THE TWO SPREADS, I THINK THE FEEDBACK FROM CLUB WAS ACTUALLY SIMILAR.
SO, UM, THAT FIRST SPREAD PROBABLY BEING WHAT'S MORE FOCUSED TO THE LAY PERSON, UM, THEY CAN GENERALLY READ WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE, THE COMMUNITY SHOULD FEEL LIKE, UM, LOOK AT THE LAND USES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ENCOMPASSES.
AND THEN THE OTHER SPREAD IS ACTUALLY MORE FOR STAFF.
UM, AND ALSO FOR YOU ALL TOO, TO THINK ABOUT WHEN A SAY A CASE COMES IN, YOU CAN THEN START TO KIND OF CONNECT THE ADJACENCY COMPONENT, UH, STREET DESIGN, URBAN DESIGN, AND THINK THROUGH DOES THIS, THE PARTICULAR ZONING CASE OR DEVELOPMENT CASE ALIGN WITH THIS AS WELL? SO WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, WE ACTUALLY, UH, CONSULTED OUR CURRENT PLANNERS IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY SEE CASES, WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM, UH, AS THEY USE THIS DOCUMENT, UH, REALISTICALLY.
AND THAT WAS KINDA THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, WAS TRYING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION FROM THE ZONING CASES TO WHAT THIS PLACE TYPE IS, UH, TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE FROM MORE TANGIBLE, SPECIFIC ITEMS. BUT I THINK WE CAN ALSO MAKE THIS, UM, A, A MORE LAY PERSON FRIENDLY DOCUMENT TOO.
WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT TOO, AS WELL.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, WHEN YOU SAY THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT WITH ACCESSORY USES LIKE ADU, I WONDER IF THAT'S THE SOURCE OF, WE'RE GONNA MAKE, WE'RE GONNA LEGALIZE ADU, UH, IT'S ON YOUR, UH, IT'S ON THESE PAGES HERE, RIGHT? UH, I I MEAN, YEAH, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE, I, I KNOW WHAT, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, RIGHT? BUT I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY HEARING THIS.
OH, YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW ME TO USE EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO I THINK, UM, JUST FOR THOSE, UM, ONLINE, WE'RE REFERENCING THE, THE MATRIX, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH THAT TOO.
SO WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PLACE TYPE, LOOKING AT THE SINGLE FAMILY COLUMN, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A, A TYPO.
SO THAT PARTICULAR COLUMN CAN ZOOM IN JUST FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT TOO.
SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE TUNED IN ONLINE, UM, KIND OF CLARIFYING WHAT THIS IS SAYING AND HOW IT'S SAYING IT, UH, SO THE LANE USES IS ALL SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, AND I THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ALL SINGLE FAMILIES, SOMETIMES THAT INCLUDES, UH, YOU KNOW, GRANNY FLATS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MIGHT, MIGHT WANT TO BUILD.
BUT BEING CLEAR IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW WE'RE, UH, DEFINING THE DESCRIPTIONS AND EXAMPLES, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT COMMENT INTERNALLY AND THROUGH A FEW OTHER KIND OF, UM, INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS TO, TO RE REFINE THAT.
SO THAT'S, YOU, YOU'RE JUST SPEAKING TO WHAT WE'VE HEARD.
I, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU REALLY NEED TO PUT THAT IN THERE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, I SEE OVER HERE THAT THERE IS A HIGHLY DETAILED, UH, INTERACTIVE HIGH RESOLUTION MAP LINK, RIGHT? I'M SORRY.
SO YEAH, THE PDF HAS PLACEHOLDERS, UH, FOR WHENEVER THE PLAN GETS ADOPTED.
UH, SO AS WE ARE DOING THE, THIS DRAFT, UM, THE LINKS ARE GONNA PROBABLY BE BROKEN EVERY TIME
SO THOSE ARE PLACEHOLDERS AND WE CAN PROVIDE CLARITY, UH, THROUGH THESE DRAFTS THAT THOSE ARE GONNA BE DUMMY PLACEHOLDERS.
THE IDEA IS AFTER IT GETS ADOPTED, UH, THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE, THE LIVE LINK THAT GETS UPLOADED, UM, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
UM, THAT'S OFFICIALLY, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE LAND USE PLAN DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE.
IS THAT LINK ACTIVE? I MEAN, CAN THE PUBLIC GET TO IT OR? SO TWO THINGS.
SO THE, THE, THE PLACEHOLDERS ON THIS DOCUMENT JUST IS GONNA REFERENCE, UM, THE, THE FINAL MAP THAT WE HAVE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE SOCIAL PINPOINT INTERACTIVE MAP.
UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MAP THAT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO, WE COULD, UH, PUT A CLAR CLARIFICATION ITEM ON THE MAP JUST ON THIS DOCUMENT TO TAKE PEOPLE THERE.
UH, WHEN THIS GETS ADOPTED, IT'S GONNA BE HOUSED INTERNALLY IN OUR, UH, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IT'S CURRENTLY BEING HOUSED IN A CONSULTANT'S, UH, VENDOR WEBSITE.
UM, WHENEVER IT'S ADOPTED, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF OUR GIS SYSTEM.
AND THAT'LL TAKE US TO SOMETHING THAT'S INTERNALLY, UH, HELD WITHIN THE CITY.
BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR MAP IS DRAFT, IT'S NOT OFFICIAL, WE DON'T WANNA PUT IT THERE YET.
UH, SO IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF HOSTED WITH OUR VENDOR UNTIL THEN.
THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS AT, AT A, A HOMEOWNER'S MEETING, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK, UH, A COUPLE OF GUYS CAME UP VERY DISTRAUGHT THAT, THAT WE HAD CHANGED THE ZONING UHHUH ON THESE CHURCH PROPERTIES IN MY DISTRICT.
AND, UH, MR. BLADE WAS EXPLAINING IT TO ME, BUT SOMEHOW OR OTHER THEY HAD, UH, THEY HAD SEEN A FORWARD DALLAS MAP THAT SHOWED THAT THE, THE ZONING WAS NO LONGER R 16, BUT WAS CR AND THEY WERE QUITE UPSET ABOUT
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THAT.UH, SO I, I JUST, I I JUST SORT OF WONDERED HOW DID THEY, HOW DID THEY SEE THAT? IS THERE SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT REVEALS THAT OR, YEAH, SO IT IS THE, IN PART BECAUSE THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON, UM, AND THE MAP IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON.
YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY TO THOSE THINGS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S THE, AND WE DID HEAR FROM KLE AS WELL, THAT, UM, ONE OF THE, THE, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WITH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE IS THAT IT WOULD BE CR PLACE TYPE.
AND THAT'S NOT THAT CR IS A ZONING DISTRICT.
THEY, THEY SEE CR AND THEY SEE THAT, RIGHT? AND SO IF SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT THE PLACE TYPE MAP AND THEY SEE CR, OH, THAT'S NO LONGER R 16, I THINK THEY'VE CHANGED THE ZONING TO COMMERCIAL.
NO, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE PLACE TYPE MAP THAT IDENTIFIED IT AS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, WHERE AN R 16 WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS IS ADOPTED, BEING ABLE TO HAVE AN INTERACTIVE ONLINE MAP THAT PROVIDES THAT CLARITY AND CAN REDIRECT TO THE ZONING MAP AS WELL, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S DONE A COMP PLAN IN TEXAS KNOWS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS YOU ALWAYS PUT ON IS THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A ZONING MAP.
AND JUST HAVING THAT LANGUAGE BE CLEAR ON THE ADOPTED MAP, THEREFORE, SOMEONE, WELL, THEY COULD STILL GET IT CONFUSED, BUT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CLEARER IN THAT, IN THAT CASE.
AND I'LL, AND, AND I WILL EXPLAIN THAT TO THESE PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'LL BELIEVE ME OR NOT,
UH, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT MAP THAT YOU HAD WITH THE ZONING, UH, THE OVERLAY? IT WAS KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE, THE MAP ON, UH, THREE PAGE 3 54, WHERE YOU, YOU HAD THREE DIFFERENT, UH, VERSIONS OF THAT MAP.
YOU KNOW, ONE WAS, UH, OH, THE, ON THE PRESENTATION, IT, IT IS NOT IN THIS BOOK HERE.
THAT YOU, YOU THAT YOU GAVE US, BUT YOU JUST HAD YES.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, MAP ON THE RIGHT, THE EXTREME RIGHT, IT SAYS ZONING MAP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THIS IS THE ZONING UNDERNEATH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE SITE, RIGHT? SO, UH, ALL THAT YELLOW MEANS IS EITHER R SEVEN FIVE OR R FIVE.
IS THAT RIGHT? PRETTY MUCH, NO.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY, LEMME GO BACK.
UH, I GUESS R UH, 1.5 10, 13 16, 1 5, 7 0.5, UH, IS THE YELLOW, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THIS AREA THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL ARE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND SO I, I GUESS THE PERSPECTIVE THAT, THAT, THAT MY NEIGHBORS, UH, SHARE WITH ME AND, AND REALLY THE WAY I FEEL TOO LIVING IN ONE OF THOSE YELLOW AREAS IS I DO NOT WANNA WAKE UP ONE DAY AND HAVE A, A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX OR A MULTIPLEX NEXT TO ME, RIGHT? AND, AND, UM, THI THIS, UM, AND, AND, AND CRA THREE, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU LITERALLY IN READ HERE, THAT FIRST SENTENCE IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS REJECTED BY THE COUNCIL, JUST A FEW, UH, UH, LAST MONTH.
THIS IDEA OF GENTLE DENSITY AND, UH, AND THEN IN, UH, CRB TWO, YOU'RE BACK TO THE SAME THING.
HOUSING SUCH AS DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES AND MULTIPLEX SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO COMPLIMENT THE EXISTING.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU, YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THESE AREAS.
AND, AND THIS IS A, A SHOW A, A, A, A SHOWSTOPPER FOR ALL THE FOLKS LIKE ME WHO LIVE IN THOSE, THAT THOSE R AREAS THAT YOU JUST SHOWED ON THE MAP, WHICH IS 45% OF DALLAS.
AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, THIS LANGUAGE, THIS IS WHAT KLU PROPOSED.
SO THEY SAID THIS IS WHAT THEY WANTED IN THIS DOCUMENT, AND THEN WE WORKED WITH THEM TO, YOU KNOW, TO ON THAT LANGUAGE TO BE CLEAR TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE.
AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE THE PLACE TYPE IS BIGGER THAN THE ZONING.
THEN YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A SEPARATE PLACE TYPE CALLED, LIKE, LIKE YOU HAD IN THAT OTHER CHART WHERE YOU SHOWED THOSE OTHER CITIES AND THEY HAD LIKE A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN A, A MORE DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEN YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE A, A ONE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, AND THEN YOU'RE MORE DENSE.
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AND I THINK LAWRENCE WAS TRYING, AND LIKE I WROTE THE CITY OF ALLEN, I, I WROTE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN I WORKED THERE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF OUR FUTURE LAND USES, ALL OF OUR AREAS INCLUDED MORE THAN JUST SINGLE FAMILY.AND THAT'S WHAT LAWRENCE IS, IS NO, THERE AREN'T CITIES IN DFW THAT SAY THE VISION FOR THIS IS NOTHING BUT SINGLE FAMILY, RIGHT? THEY SAY LOW DENSITY NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TERMS, TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY USE THOSE TERMS. BUT IN, WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THOSE COMP PLANS, THEY SAY THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THE ZONING, THOUGH, THE ZONING RIGHT? WOULD SAY IT, IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A CHURCH SCHOOL PARK OR A SINGLE FAMILY.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG ZONING.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE MORE THAN JUST THE, THE MOST NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE MORE THAN JUST THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, ARE, MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A SLIGHTLY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT R SEVEN FIVE, MOST OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS YELLOW, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT THAT'S NOT, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PLACE TYPE IS, IS SAYING THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT THAT ISN'T RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ON THE EDGE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, SO IN, THEY'RE RIGHT BY THE INTERSTATE, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT PEOPLE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A VACANT LOT THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE IN A SINGLE FAMILY R FIVE OR R SEVEN FIVE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN NEXT A DEVELOPER BUYS IT AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX OR A QUAD.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WE DON'T WANT.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO GUIDANCE FOR THAT.
A DEVELOPER COME IN, BUY THAT LOT, AND THEN PROPOSE TO REZONE IT, AND YOU SEE THOSE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, SORRY.
CPC SEES THOSE CASES TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
RIGHT? PART OF WHAT FORD, DALLAS AIMS TO DO IS TO SAY, OKAY, HOW DO YOU HAVE THAT GUIDANCE TO SAY, OKAY, YEAH, ON, ON THAT EDGE, THAT OVER THERE, OKAY, THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE IF YOU WANT TO BUY THAT BLOCK AND BUILD DUPLEXES.
BUT IN HERE, IN TERM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE IS THAT LANGUAGE, THEN THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN HERE.
SO THAT CPC CAN HAVE THAT GUIDANCE TO SAY, THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE VOTING FOR DENIAL.
YOU KNOW, AND SO YOU NEED TO CLARIFY THEN WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU HAVE IN THAT FIRST SENTENCE THAT IN RED THERE.
BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THERE SAYS TO ME WHEN I READ IT THAT A VACANT LAND, THAT IT A VACANT LOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COMES OPEN.
YOU COULD BUILD A DUPLEX, TRIPLEX OR A QUADPLEX IF YOU'VE GOT ROOM FOR IT.
AND IF FOR CLARITY, COULD YOU DIRECT US TO WHERE THAT WAS AGAIN, THAT YOU WANTED US TO PROVIDE CLARITY? CRA THREE CCA THREE.
AND IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS TOO, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS, IS PLEASE PRO PROVIDE THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE THE ONE THAT GETS THESE CASES AND USES THIS DOCUMENT.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC, UH, TO HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS BETTER, UH, PLEASE, WE CAN TALK THROUGH.
DO, I'LL, I'LL BE GLAD TO, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M SURE ALL THE FOLKS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ARE OUT THERE IN NEIGHBORHOODS WILL BE, THAT ARE LISTENING IN RIGHT NOW WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND YOU SOME LANGUAGE THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, PERFECT.
AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT I'LL TAKE THAT OUT.
AS WELL AS CRB TWO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU'RE ALLOWING DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES, MULTIPLEX AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ZONE R FIVE AND R 75.
THAT'S HOW I READ THIS, AND THAT'S HOW THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE READ THIS.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED TOO.
AND THEN THE THIRD, AND THAT WAS CR WHICH ONE? SORRY, JUST CLARIFYING.
AND THEN THE THIRD AREA HERE THAT, THAT REALLY RAISES THE, THE CACKLES, IF YOU WILL, UH, FOLKS IN LIVING IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH PARKING PROBLEMS, WITH PEOPLE, PARKING ON THE STREETS, YOU KNOW, UH, AND LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE URBAN, UH, LIKE 67.
AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES CHARGE FOR PARKING.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE COMPLEXES, RATHER THAN PAYING FOR THE PARKING, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PARKING ON THE STREET.
SO, UM, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A SENTENCE THAT SAYS PRIORITIZATION OF STREET PARKING, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGING STREET PARKING.
CAN YOU HELP US DIRECT US THAT WHERE THE LANGUAGE IS, PLEASE? THAT'S, UH, NUMBER SIX, UNDER STREET STATE SKATE PLUS PARKING,
WE DON'T WANNA PRIORITIZE STREET PARKING.
WE DON'T WANNA GET RID OF PARKING MINIMUMS. THERE WE GO.
THAT'S THE BIG TOPIC, YOU KNOW, AND SO THIS IS A, THIS, THIS, UH, THIS IS WHAT, THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHAT IS RAISING THE CACKLES OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO, QUE QUESTION
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BECAUSE WHAT ALSO, WHAT WE WANT TO IN THIS KIND OF CONVERSATION IS AS, AS WE, YOU SEE THESE IN YOUR DISTRICT, HOW SHOULD THIS BE TWEAKED TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST FOR THAT? UM, AND HOW, IF, IF YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE A IDEA YET.I'M NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND TALK INTERNALLY WITH A, WITH WHAT THAT LOOKS LOOK LIKE.
THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT, IF YOU WANNA ALLOW SOME OF THIS STUFF IS, IS, IS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN THE MORE DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THESE OTHER CITIES, HAVE D TWO DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES IN THE SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPE THIS STUFF IS, IS, IS FOR BOLTON, IT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
I JUST WANNA JUMP IN HERE TOO.
UH, TOM'S SPEAKING AS IF, IF HE MIGHT BE SPEAKING FOR HIS DISTRICT, BUT I KNOW IN, IN DISTRICT ONE, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, FOURPLEXES MULTIPLEX IS UP TO 16, JUST TAKE A STREET LIKE KING'S HIGHWAY, ALL PERFECTLY COEXIST.
WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE ISSUES THAT HE'S ALLUDING TO THAT ARE JUST IN HIS MIND ARE A GIVEN.
SO THE, I THINK THAT THE, THIS PLAN STRENGTHS ARE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN RED.
AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO OPPOSE THOSE THINGS, I'M OPEN TO HEARING THOSE, THAT RATIONALE.
AS LONG AS IT'S BASED IN LAND USE RIGHT.
AND IF WE GO OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE LOOK AT THE TRENDS NATIONWIDE.
WE LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS PRIOR TO US.
IF WE LOOK AT THE DATA THAT RESEARCH THAT, OR REPUTABLE RESEARCH LIKE THE PEW, UH, INSTITUTES LOOKED AT, WE SEE A LOT OF REASONING FOR LAND USE FOR MULTIPLEX IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL TYPE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESOLVE THAT.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TRY THAT TODAY, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT.
TO TO SAY THAT THE, HIS COMMENTS TO JUST BLANKET EVERYBODY BELIEVES AND FEELS THAT WAY.
NOW I'M OPEN TO LEARNING AND HEARING WHY WE SHOULD PULL MULTIPLEX.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY IF DECIDED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT THE, THE POINTS THAT INFLUENCE MY THINKING THE MOST ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BASED IN LAND USE RESEARCH DATA.
UNLIKE THAT, THE FACT THAT WE'RE BOTH KIND OF SPEAKING ON THIS, I THINK THAT, THAT FOR US TO STAFF, UM, IF ONE TEXT IS KIND OF GIVING TWO DIFFERENT, UH, INTERPRETATIONS, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND KIND OF MAYBE RETHINK HOW WE'RE STILL KIND OF DELIVERING THE MESSAGE AND CLARIFYING YOUR ISSUES AND ALSO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR DISTRICT TOO.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE GO BACK AND, AND TALK ABOUT.
MAYBE BRING THAT BACK UP AGAIN, UH, IN THE FUTURE CONVERSATION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL TO, TO, TO GET TO AS WELL.
I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING 'CAUSE I THINK I'M THE ONLY PERSON HERE TONIGHT THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE CLUB COMMITTEE AND, AND WE HAD MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PLACE TYPE.
AND THEN I CAN SEE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THIS TEXT GOT SENT FORWARD.
'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, UNANIMOUSLY OR BY MAJORITY ENDORSED IT.
THIS WAS, UH, THIS WAS A DECISION TO SEND THIS FORWARD BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE A VERY IN DEPTH
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF'S POSITION IS THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE DENSITY IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I THINK IS WHAT, UH, MR. CHERNOFF AND COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY STRONG, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE OPPOSITE OPINIONS IN EVERY GRADE OF, OF, OF DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN.
SO IN SENDING THIS FORWARD, WE WERE KEEPING THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE IS LIKE, OKAY, WE NEED TO CONSIDER, UM, ARE A DU SOMETHING THAT NEIGHBORHOODS WANT TO CONSIDER TO ADD DENSITY? ARE THERE CERTAIN PLACES, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COULD NEAR, UH, NEAR DART STATIONS, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT WE DID NOT ENDORSE ANY, WE DID NOT DO A BLANKET ENDORSEMENT OF ANY OF THIS TEXT.
THE THING, ONE THING THAT WE DID ADAMANTLY INSIST ON WAS THAT NEIGHBORHOODS IN DIFFERENT SECTORS OF TOWN WERE NOT GONNA BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
SOME OF THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS MADE IT LOOK AS IF THERE WERE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE GOING TO BE PROTECTED FROM ADDING DENSITY IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WERE, WERE GOING TO BE JUST OPEN SEASON FOR ADDING DENSITY AND THEY SEEMED TO FALL INTO AN INEVITABLE GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION.
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WE DID NOT WANT TO PERPETUATE.BUT I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, CITYWIDE.
UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY HEARD IT TONIGHT, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT IT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
AND IF, IF I MAY I HAVE JUST ONE FOLLOW UP CLARIFICATION.
I WAS, I'M READING THE NOTES 'CAUSE I CAN ACTUALLY SEE MY, UM, LAPTOP HERE.
UM, COMMISSIONER TURNOCK, DID YOU MEAN TO INDICATE THAT THE KING'S HIGHWAY, UM, EXAMPLES YOU WERE REFERENCING WERE SPECIFIC TO PARKING OR MORE ABOUT THE VARIETY OF THE HOUSING TYPES THAT COEXIST TOGETHER? BOTH.
I JUST WANTED, 'CAUSE IT WAS NOTED SPECIFICALLY WITH PARKING, AND I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD IT IN A BROADER CONTEXT, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I HAVE JUST, UM, MADE THIS PAGE READ
AND SO I DON'T WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE UP ALL OF OUR TIME BECAUSE I KNOW WE, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE OF THESE TO GO THROUGH.
BUT IF I MAY ASK TWO, I GUESS MORE GLOBAL QUESTIONS, KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THE DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME IS THAT, WAS GOING THROUGH THIS, IF THE CURRENT FORWARD DALLAS CALLED THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, WOULD THERE BE A REASON WHY WE WOULD NOT MAINTAIN THAT IN LIEU OF USING COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL? SO YEAH, WE, WE CAN, I THINK IF I SAY, BEFORE I ANSWER THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WHY CAN'T WE JUST APPLY WHAT THE CURRENT FOUR DALLAS OH SIX HAS WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE? TIME? WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
UM, BUT WHAT'S THE NAME? IT WAS REALLY JUST IN TERMS OF THE NAMING OF THE PLACE TYPE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, IF, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I, YOU KNOW, I HEARD, UM, COMMISSIONER ALL'S COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, MAYBE IT'S CREATING SOME UN UNINTENDED, UM, CONFUSION RIGHT.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF NO, DEFINITELY I THINK THE NAME OF THIS PLACE, THAT CAN ALSO CHANGE TOO AS WELL.
UH, JUST TO BE HONEST, I THINK, AND WHEN WE DEVELOPED A LOT OF THESE OTHER PLACE TYPES, UH, A LOT OF 'EM HAVE CHANGED THEIR NAME.
A LOT OF 'EM TOO, AS NAMES WERE CHANGED AND WE RETWEAKED SOME OF THE, THE LANGUAGE, SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS THOUGHT, OH, YOU'RE JUST CHANGING THE NAME, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING.
SO I THINK AS WE CHANGE THE NAME, WE WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING IT, UH, AND HOW THAT SHOULD BE INTERPRETED.
UM, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY UP, UM, FOR THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.
WE CAN ADD AND, AND TALK THROUGH AS WELL.
AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE TWO KIND OF GLOBAL COMMENTS BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE, SOME OF THEM ARE RELATED AS I'M READING THROUGH.
UM, AND I'M PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON 16 AND 17.
UM, I MAY JUST SCAN THESE AND SEND YOU THE, THE REST OF THEM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO THINK ABOUT WHERE DENSITY MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF AREAS.
UM, COMMISSIONER CHAIR NOT MENTIONED, UH, KINGS HIGHWAY.
I KNOW THERE'S MANY AREAS IN EAST DALLAS, BUT WE HAVE THAT LAYERING, UM, THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED, A VARIETY OF REASONS.
BUT WHEN WE ALSO THINK ABOUT SAYING, UM, AND I THINK IT'S AN A THREE, UM, CRA THREE WHERE WE HAVE VACANT PROPERTIES.
UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE I CAN THINK OF AREAS IN DISTRICT TWO WHERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BLOCKS WITH OVER HALF BLOCKS OF VACANT.
WELL, DO YOU STILL HAVE A, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA CALL A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU CAN SUDDENLY HAVE A HIGH PERCENTAGE THAT HAS ALL TURNED TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE DESIGNATION MAY BE, WHETHER IT'S QUADPLEX OR IT'S A MIX OF A DUPLEX IN A QUAD AND A TRIPLEX.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW, HOW THAT SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT OR IF IT SHOULD BE ORGANIZED AROUND, I KNOW MAJOR CORRIDORS IS LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN USED, UM, ELSEWHERE IN THE PLAN.
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF
UM, WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF IT IS, UM, DOWNTOWN OR UPTOWN RETROFITTING BIG BUILDINGS THAT DON'T HAVE OFFICE TENANTS IN THEM TURNING PARKING LOTS INTO A LOT OF HOUSING UNITS.
UM, THE THEN KIND OF THE, THE MEDIUM OR THE MIDDLE STUFF IS ALONG A LOT OF OUR CORRIDORS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF BIG BOXES.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF EMPTY OFFICE BUILDINGS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF FAITH-BASED CONGREGATIONS, UM, WHERE THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONGREGATIONS ARE, ARE LING.
UM, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET, WHEN WE'VE GONE TO COMMUNITIES AND WE'VE SAID, WHERE SHOULD WE PUT HOUSING IN AND AROUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THEY'RE LIKE, GO THERE.
THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
UM, WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WE STILL HAVE SAID THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE SMALLEST AMOUNT OF HOUSING.
WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, SOME WHAT COULD GO IN
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THERE.AND, YOU KNOW, TALKING IT THROUGH WITH KLE AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THAT'S WHERE, UM, I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER TO YOUR POINT OF PROVIDING SOME BETTER GUIDANCE ABOUT OKAY, ALONG OUR CORRIDORS AND WHEN WE GET TO THE MIXED USE PLACE TYPE SETS, WHERE WE GET INTO THOSE DETAILS, UM, ALONG, UM, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT, WHAT ARE THOSE DETAILS THAT WOULD, WOULD SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THAN OTHER PLACES.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR EXAMPLE, IF YOU SAY, WELL, YES, THAT, THAT, THAT STREET THAT HAD 10, YOU KNOW, 10, UM, 10, 10 LOTS ON IT, AND EIGHT OF THEM DON'T HAVE A STRUCTURE ON THEM AND SOMEONE WANTS TO BUY THOSE EIGHT LOTS TO DO SOMETHING, IS THAT A BETTER LOCATION THAN IN THE MIDDLE OF A STREET THAT HAS 10 LOTS AND NINE HOUSES ON IT AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE? UM, IF, IF THERE'S BETTER LANGUAGE THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE IN THIS DOCUMENT, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD WANT THAT LANGUAGE.
AND TO KIND OF ADD TO THE, OH, SORRY.
TO ADD TO THAT TOO, I THINK THAT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND OTHERS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST ONE ADDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE, BUT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO OWN THEIR LAND OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING.
SO RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, IN THE COUNTRY, UH, BUYING PROPERTY, UH, IS UNAFFORDABLE.
SO HOW DO WE THINK THROUGH PROVIDING PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN HOME, SINGLE FAMILY, UM, TOWN HOMES, OTHER TYPES OF MIX OF, UH, HOUSING TYPES TO ADDRESS PEOPLE WANTING TO OWN THEIR HOME IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT VACANT PROPERTIES, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, YOU CAN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF, OF THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER COMPONENT OF, OF, UM, HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT HOUSING AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE ONE, OWN THEIR HOME.
AND THEN JUST IN TERMS OF JUST THE, THE COM THE, THE RESULT OF THAT, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WEALTH GENERATION AND OTHER ASPECTS OF HOW PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THE CITY, UH, THAT'S A HUGE PIECE IS BEING ABLE TO OWN REAL ESTATE IN THE, IN THE CITY.
SO THAT'S, UH, ANOTHER COMPONENT TO JUST ADD TO WHAT PATRICK MENTIONED.
AND I THINK WHAT MY FOLLOW UP WAS GONNA BE IN, IN THIS EXAM, OH, SORRY.
I I IT'S RELATED TO THIS AND THEN I, I, AGAIN, I'LL FOLLOW UP IN, IN WRITING WITH THE BALANCE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE OF MULTIPLE LOTS TOGETHER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE SPRINKLED AROUND HERE, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT PRECLUDING COMBINING OF LOTS.
AND AND THERE'S SORT OF TWO PIECES OF THIS, UM, AS I'VE BEEN TRYING TO THINK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WE MIGHT CONSIDER THIS.
THE FIRST WOULD BE, UM, ONE OF THE BULLET POINTS AND, UM, I'VE MISSED WHERE I'VE UNDERLINED IT.
CRA FIVE TALKS ABOUT EXISTING CONTEXT, MANY TIMES THE EXISTING CONTEXT DOESN'T MATCH THE ALLOWABLE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TODAY.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THESE SHIFTS IN SCALE.
AND THEN IF YOU LAYERED ON THE IDEA AREAS WHERE WE HAVE A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF VACANT LOTS, WHERE THOSE COULD BE POTENTIALLY COMBINED, AND THEN SUDDENLY YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ONLY LARGER THAN THE EXISTING SCALE, BUT LARGER THAN, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLIED OUT.
AND THEN ONE OF THE NOTES TALKS ABOUT INCREASING SITE IN REAR YARD TO SERVE AS TRANSITIONS.
AND I JUST, THOSE, SOME OF THESE SEEM TO BE, UM, IN CONFLICT.
AND AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH HOW, HOW THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND HOW THIS BODY NEEDS TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT
AND, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A A COLLEGE PROFESSORS, YOU KNOW, HUGE MARKUPS ON THIS PAGE OF THE STUFF THAT YOU'RE LIKE, THIS DOESN'T RHYME WITH THIS, THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE OVER HERE.
IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A CPC MEMBER, I WOULD LIKE THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE, UM, INCLUDED HERE.
SO THAT WAY I CAN, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY ABOUT THE, UM, THE EXISTING CONTEXT NOT MATCHING THE CURRENT ENTITLEMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE I COULD BUILD A MUCH BIGGER HOUSE, A MUCH BIGGER STRUCTURE.
UM, IN OUR IMPLEMENTATION SECTION, WE DO TALK ABOUT HOW WE DO NEED BETTER PRESERVATION, UM, UH, STRATEGIES WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND, AND BETTER TOOLS TO AFFECT THE SCALING AND MASSING, UM, IN A NUMBER OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY ONE THING THAT WE 100% HEARD FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES IN THIS PROCESS AS WELL.
I WILL JUST ADD ONE OTHER FINAL NOTE.
I SAID I WAS GONNA STOP STREETS, SCAPES NUMBER NINE, MENTIONS PARKING GARAGES, AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY LOW RISE STRUCTURES.
NOT QUITE SURE THOSE TWO, UM, WORK TOGETHER AS WELL.
SO I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WAS A
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CARRYOVER FOR SOMETHING ELSE.COMMISSIONER SHERNOFF, PLEASE.
YEAH, I HAVE A, A QUESTION GOING BACK TO DENSITY.
I KNOW IN DISTRICT ONE WE A LOT THAT R SEVEN FIVE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT WAS CREATED IN 20 1920S, THIRTIES, FORTIES, UM, YOU KNOW, DALLAS WAS ONE 10TH.
AND IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT ACCRUED METRIC AS POPULATIONS, INCREASED DENSITY INCREASES, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE STORY OF EVERY CITY IN AMERICA HAS, IS THERE ANY DATA OUT THERE THAT SAYS ONCE, ONCE A THIRD CERTAIN, UH, THRESHOLD IS CROSSED, KICKS IN ANOTHER LE ANOTHER LEVEL OF DENSITY? AND THEN THAT'S FIRST QUESTION.
UM, AND THEN SECOND QUESTION, IS THERE ANY MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE CREATED A TOOL OR, UM, A ZONING WHERE THE DENSITY IS PINNED TO THE POPULATION GROWTH? SO IT'S, IT'S NOT SUCH A HIGHLY CHARGED, UM, DISCUSSION AND IT INCREMENTALLY INCREASES AS THE POPULATIONS INCREASE.
AND UNLESS LAWRENCE IS AWARE OF ONE, I I, TO TO YOUR LATTER QUESTION, I I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A CITY THAT THAT HAS DONE THAT.
UM, I WILL SAY TO THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THOSE, YOU KNOW, POPULATION RISES AND DENSITY RISES, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS.
YOU KNOW, YOU REFERENCED, UM, A LOT OF DISTRICT ONE, WHICH IS STREETCAR SUBURB, JUST HAS A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THEN HAD A REDEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UM, AND THERE WERE OTHER AREAS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, UM, HOUSEWRIGHT, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT WHERE THEY HAD A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY DIDN'T GET THAT SECOND LEVEL OF REDEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO ANSWER THAT, THAT FIRST QUESTION AS WELL.
UM, AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S, IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO FIND COMPARABLE CITIES BE BECAUSE YOU'RE EITHER RUST BELT CITY OR A SUNBELT CITY.
YOU'RE EITHER PHOENIX THAT HAD 40,000 PEOPLE IN 1950, OR YOU'RE CLEVELAND THAT HAD A MILLION, WELL, DALLAS HAD HALF A MILLION PEOPLE IN 1950, SO WE KIND OF GOT A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
YEAH, I THINK JUST KIND OF GOING BACK INTO THE KIND OF DATA PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT THERE.
UM, IN TERMS OF ECONOMICS, UH, TRANSPORTATION, AND A LOT OF THOSE STUDIES OR ESTIMATES, UM, IN TERMS OF IT, IT'S USUALLY HARD TO KIND OF SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND VERSUS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED MAYBE EVEN TWO YEARS AGO AND USING THAT DATA, UH, TO JUSTIFY THAT.
BUT I THINK WE CAN MAYBE TALK THROUGH, I THINK MAYBE THE HEART OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MAYBE HOW DO WE USE DATA TO HELP US MAYBE THINK THROUGH, UM, HOW THE LAND USE GETS APPLIED IN THE CITY.
UH, I THINK WE CAN KIND OF MAYBE FLUSH WHAT COULD HAPPEN BASED ON WHAT THE DATA THAT WE HAVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WE'RE GONNA PUT A BUNCH OF ASSUMPTIONS.
UM, BUT I THINK TRYING TO GET TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS USING SOME INFORMATION TO KIND OF HELP CLARIFY HOW THAT THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN THE CITY.
SO WE CAN HAVE MAYBE A FUTURE CONVERSATION TO KINDA REFINE THAT MORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE KEEP GOING? I DO, PLEASE.
UH, SOME OF THE MOST HEATED FEEDBACK THAT I'M GETTING IS ON THE CA THREE THAT SAYS VACANT PROPERTIES OR THOSE WITH INACTIVE LAND USES PRESENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOUGHTFUL IN BLOCK, IN BLOCK INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, I MEAN, ANY PROPERTY, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT ANYONE CAN MAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY VACANT.
SO IS THIS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SKY'S THE LIMIT.
ANYONE CAN BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, KNOCK DOWN THE HOUSE THAT'S ON IT, AND THEN SAY, OKAY, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M ENTITLED TO DENSER INFILL DEVELOPMENT? OR ARE YOU PROPOSING SOME SORT OF, UM, ONE TIME AUDIT OF ALL THE VACANT PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CITY AND SAYING THOSE ARE THE PLACES TO PUT, UM, INFILL DEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS EQUITABLE EQUITY IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL JUST KILLED THE, THE RAPID, UM, DEMOLITION ORDINANCE THAT WAS DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTING, YOU KNOW, INNER CITY MINORITY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LOTS BECAUSE OF SORT OF STRATEGIES THAT THE CITY HAS PURSUED.
I MEAN, AND THEN REDLINING AND CO-LOCATION WITH INDUSTRIAL AND ALL THAT.
SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE EXISTING CITY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE A LOT OF VACANT LOTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, PRESSURES THROUGH THE YEARS.
AND THIS SEEMS TO, YOU KNOW, PUT A NET, ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COFFIN.
SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO APPLY VACANT PROPERTIES? SO DOES THAT MEAN ANYTHING THAT'S VACANT CAN ALL OF A SUDDEN BE CONSIDERED, UM, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR INFILL FOR DENSER INFILL? I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD
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QUESTION.UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION, AND I THINK IT HAS A, THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS A, IS A, IT TAKES A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF CONVERSATION BECAUSE YES, THERE ARE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WANNA PREVENT DISPLACEMENT, YOU KNOW, OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN COMMUNITIES AND OKAY, WELL IF THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A, A BIG CORNER LOT, OKAY, IS THAT, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY A STRUCTURE ON IT, IS THAT A GOOD OPPORTUNITY? AND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PART OF THAT CONVERSATION IS, OKAY, IF THERE IS A BIG CORNER LOT AND IT'S GOT A SMALLER HOUSE AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY IT AND REMOVE IT, DOES THAT BECOME A GOOD OPPORTUNITY? AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A QUESTION, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF CLIP CPC AND I'M, I'M GONNA ASSUME COUNCIL ARE, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT COULD BE THOSE ANSWERS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A RIGHT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, RIGHT? BUT IT IS A QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD BE ASKING OURSELVES AND, AND, AND THINKING THROUGH WHAT COULD BE APPROPRIATE ANSWERS TO IT.
AND I APPRECIATE KIND OF THE COMMENT.
'CAUSE I THINK AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, TYPE, UH, VACANT PROPERTIES ALSO PROVIDE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER TYPES OF, UH, LAND USE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.
SO I THINK THIS IS FROM THE HOUSING PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE SEEING THAT, UH, YOU CAN HAVE OTHER MAYBE RETAIL DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS IN THE CITY.
SO I THINK COMING TO YOUR POINT, THIS COULD BE, UM, INCITING SOME FEELINGS OF SOME ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE FEELING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES REGARDING LIKE THE DESTRUCTION OF THEIR COMMUNITY, UM, THEIR COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK MAYBE WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW WE TWEAK THIS LANGUAGE, UH, TO HELP ADDRESS KIND OF THAT CONCERN, WHICH I THINK IS VERY VALID BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YEAH, BECAUSE I'M NOT SO MUCH TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A A SCHOOL PROPERTY THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN VACATED OR SOMETHING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S VACANT LOTS OF TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL VACANT LOT.
'CAUSE THIS COULD ALL ALSO BE, UH, AN ALMOST A BLUEPRINT FOR DISPLACEMENT AND GENTRIFICATION IN WORKING CLASS SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, YOU KNOW, AREN'T AS EXPENSIVE AS SOME OF THE OTHERS.
AND IF, IF DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO, WHERE CAN I, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE MOST MONEY, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO AND THEY SAY, OH, I COULD BUY SOMETHING OVER HERE AND TEAR IT DOWN.
IT JUST, IT WOULD JUST NEED TO BE LIKE IGNITING A WILDFIRE TO DISPLACE, YOU KNOW, EXISTING OWNERSHIP, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND, AND I THINK AS WE CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION, UM, AND AS ALL COMMISSIONERS DO, WHEN YOU HEAR THAT FEEDBACK AND IT WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO SAY, OKAY, WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY IN YOUR COMMUNITY, UM, OR IN YOUR DISTRICT PROVIDES THAT FEEDBACK, ASK THEM WHAT SHOULD THAT LANGUAGE BE? BUT HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN IS CPC OR OR STAFF CAN WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE TO PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE PROTECTIONS WHERE IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, A BLANK CHECK TO SAY, I'M GONNA GO KNOCK DOWN THAT HOUSE AND THEREFORE FORWARD DALLAS SAYS I CAN GO AHEAD AND BUILD AN APARTMENT BUILDING THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION FOR DALLAS.
AND SO WHAT'S THAT LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT NOBODY CAN CONSTRUED IT IN THAT MANNER AS WELL.
RIGHT? IT CAN ALSO LEAD TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONTEXT SENSITIVITY, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS SORT OF IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE DETERMINANTS OF CONTEXT SENSITIVITY? YOU KNOW, IN SOME CURRENT ZONING CASES THAT WE'VE HAD RECENTLY, IT JUST LIKE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SETBACKS ARE ARE THAT THAT'S THE BIG FACTOR THAT THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT.
BUT I DON'T THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONLY, UM, FACTOR THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, IF THERE ARE DETERMINANTS OF CONTEXT SENSITIVITY, HOW ARE THOSE GONNA BE CODIFIED SOMEHOW? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT MECHANISM IS GOING TO BE USED TO ENFORCE THEM? SO I, WHILE THE, THE DOCUMENT TALKS TALKS A LOT ABOUT CONTEXT SENSITIVITY, I CAN SEE HOW IT WORKS IN, UM, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AND SOME PLACES LIKE THAT.
BUT JUST IN ORDINARY STRAIGHT ZONING, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TOOLS WE HAVE OR WHAT EVEN THE GOALS ARE AND, AND WHAT TOOLS WE WOULD USE TO GET THERE IF WE DID HAVE THOSE.
AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOKED AT HUNDREDS OF PLANS, UH, IN THE COUNTRY, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW THEY APPLY THE PLACE TYPES AND WHAT OTHER ELEMENTS COULD HELP WITH THAT.
I, I KNOW SOME HAVE KIND OF GENERAL, UM, GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THE FAR IS THIS, OR THE DENSITY IS, IS THIS, OR THE HEIGHT IS THIS, MAYBE THAT IS BE SOMETHING WE CAN INVESTIGATE FURTHER.
WE WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS WASN'T A ZONING DOCUMENT.
SO IF WE HAD ANY NUMBERS HERE, WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO KIND OF JUMP ON THAT AND SAY, WELL, IT SAYS IT'S THIS NUMBER, SO IT MUST BE THIS NUMBER.
UH, SO MAYBE WE THINK THROUGH, MAYBE IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN PROVIDING THAT MORE CONTEXTUAL GUIDANCE.
UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T KIND OF TRY TO OVERREACH IN TERMS OF TRYING TO BE ZONING TOO.
SO WE WANNA BE CLEAR WITH HOW WE CAN DO THAT.
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HAVE A COMMENT.I JUST HAD ONE MORE FOLLOW UP.
YOU KEEP SAYING THIS IS NOT A ZONING DOCUMENT, BUT I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS NOW ARE VERY AWARE THAT THERE'S AN UPCOMING, UH, REWRITE OF THE CITY DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS PEOPLE SAY WHAT THEY FEAR, WHICH WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE, THE, THE PLACE TYPES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED THROUGH THIS FORWARD DALLAS PROCESS ARE GOING TO BE SORT OF THE UNDERPINNING FOR A REWRITE OF THE ZONING CODE THAT THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, YOU MAY BE SITTING ON OUR ZONING SOMEHOW, BUT THE, THE OTHER DEVELOPED CODE IS GOING TO CHANGE WHAT OUR MEANS.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A, A LARGER MENU OF, OF DENSER, UH, DEVELOPMENTS OR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS CAN GO TOGETHER.
AND THAT IT WILL BE THE STAFF OR YEAH, THE STAFF OR THE CODE SAYING WHERE CERTAIN THINGS CAN GO RATHER THAN THE WAY WE, THE WAY WE DO IT NOW.
SO IS THERE SOME WAY THAT YOU THINK, I GUESS I JUST WANT YOU TO COMMENT ON, ON, ON, ON THAT.
IS THERE A NATURAL PROGRESSION BETWEEN THESE PLACE TYPES BEING DETERMINED IN FORWARD DALLAS AND WHAT A FUTURE CODE REWRITE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WE HAVE A DIRECTOR HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
ANDREA GIL IS PLANNING AN URBAN DESIGN.
I I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A FEW COMMENTS THAT, UM, THIS IS STAFF, STAFF HAS CREATED ALL OF THIS, STAFF HAS DONE ALL OF THIS.
THIS IS ALL STAFF AND INCLUDING THAT STAFF IS NOW GOING TO REZONE AND STAFF IS GOING TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.
STAFF CAN'T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS TO BE REZONED.
IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF CODE REFORM THAT HAS GOT TO GO THROUGH A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS, IT GOES THROUGH ENGAGEMENT, IT GOES THROUGH ZONING COMMISSION, IT GOES THROUGH CPC AND ULTIMATELY IS DECIDED BY CITY COUNCIL STAFF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.
STAFF DOES NOT DECIDE ANYTHING WITH THIS PLAN.
I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR, THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE'S, DRAFT STAFF INITIATED A DRAFT OF THE PLAN IN SEPTEMBER.
WE PROVIDED THAT DRAFT OF THE PLAN BASED ON ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY BASED ON PROFESSIONAL BEST PRACTICES, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW ON THE GROUND, BASED ON ALL OF THESE ADOPTED PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT SAY WE NEED TO DO THIS.
WE TRIED TO TRANSLATE THAT AS BEST AS WE COULD INTO THIS DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
BY DOING THAT, THAT GETS US TO A FIRST DRAFT.
THEN WE GO TO A COMMITTEE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED THROUGH A SECTION OF THE CPC, WE ABSOLUTELY ANTICIPATED THAT THAT COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN WAS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND THAT THIS, THIS WAS THEIR RECOMMENDED PLAN TO MOVE ON TO CPC NOW FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO I JUST WANNA, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, AND, AND I MAY BE A LITTLE BIT SENSITIVE TO THIS 'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT STAFF'S TRYING TO DO, WHAT STAFF'S TRYING TO, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY NOW.
WE GO THROUGH THESE PROGRESSIONS.
THIS IS NOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL.
YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANNA SEE NOW IN THIS PLAN, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER AND WE'RE GONNA HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL.
IF YOU TELL US THAT YOU NOW DON'T AGREE WITH CLUB AND THE COMBINING OF THE PLACE TYPES OR HOW THEY'RE LAID OUT, OKAY, WELL LET'S TALK TOGETHER AND HOW DO WE MAKE THAT PLACE TYPE WHAT YOU ALL ENVISION FOR THAT PLACE TYPE TO BE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
SO I KNOW WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT LIKE WHAT STAFF'S DOING? WHAT'S THIS? I JUST WANNA GROUND US IN.
THIS IS NOW YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO US ABOUT, THIS IS WHY WE'RE ASKING TO REALLY GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE PLACE TYPES, READ THEM, LET'S TALK ABOUT IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO GET HERE TONIGHT AFTER A WHOLE DAY OF ZONING CASES AND YOU'RE TIRED AND YOU DON'T WANNA START WORDSMITHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT MOVING INTO THOSE LARGER DISCUSSIONS, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A REALLY HELPFUL PIECE.
LET'S MAKE THIS PLAN YOUR OWN, WHAT YOU'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH.
THIS IS A NATURAL EVOLUTIONS OF PLANS.
IT GETS VERY REAL AS YOU START TO SEE THINGS IN PRINT.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE, AND WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF WHAT THAT PRINT IS, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE, AND I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF SPACE TO IMPROVE THIS PLAN.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN DO THAT AND KNOWING THAT THIS IS NOW GOING TO BE YOUR PLAN THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
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IT'S COOL.MR. TURNER, I WANTED TO, UH, CIRCLE BACK ON, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S CO COMMENTS.
I I THINK SHE BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD ONES WITH REGARDS TO THE CONCERN THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE A, A, A PATTERN OF TEAR DOWNS AND THEN REBUILDS IT IN MULTI MULTIPLEX.
UM, THE, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S ACTUALLY DONE THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS, I COULD SAY THAT IT ALMOST NEVER PAINT, IT NEVER PENCILS OUT WHEN THERE'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT'S IN PLACE.
UM, AND SO THERE'S, AND WITH ALL OF ZONING, THERE'S, THERE'S MARKET DYNAMICS THAT REGULATE THINGS STRONGER THAN ANY OF US EVER COULD WITH OUR ZONING IDEAS AND TOOLS.
AND WHAT YOU END UP SEEING BUILT IN WHAT ENDS UP BEING BUILT IS SO MUCH MARKET DRIVEN AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S VERY LITTLE DIALOGUE AND REPRESENTATION OF THAT IN THESE FORMS. I DON'T, I I VERY RARELY SEE IT.
I, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW TO DISCUSS THOSE THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SEPARATE THEM OUT BECAUSE IT'S VERY EASY TO CREATE ALL KINDS OF WHAT IFS SCENARIOS.
BUT THEN, BUT THEN THERE'S A, A WHOLE BUNCH OF DATA ON HOW THINGS REALLY PLAY OUT GIVEN THE MARKET, UM, DYNAMICS.
AND I COULD JUST SAY THAT THE ONLY TIME THAT I'VE EVER SEEN MULTIPLEX PROJECTS PENCIL OUT IS WHEN THERE'S EXISTING LAND OR YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT IS FALLING IN ON ITSELF AND IT'S HAS NO MORE USEFUL LIFE AND VERY LITTLE MARKET VALUE IN THE COMMENTS.
YEAH, MAYBE I'M, I MAY BE PILING ON HERE IF, I MEAN, WITH ALL RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF WE SAY THAT VACANT LAND MUST ALWAYS REVERT BACK TO WHAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DECADES AGO, WE CAN'T MOVE THIS CITY FORWARD IF WE CAN'T RETHINK VACANT LAND THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR DECADES.
AND I'VE MADE THIS CASE ON, UH, ON, UH, CASES THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE THIS, THIS BODY, UM, IN, IN WE'RE, WE'RE ASKED TO GIVE A DEVELOPER AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A DUPLEX IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEN YOU GO TO GOOGLE AND YOU SLIDE THE TIME BAR OVER, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE EIGHTIES, THE SITE'S VACANT.
UH, IF WE CAN'T RETHINK THOSE KINDS OF SITES, THEN WE, WE, WE WILL NOT SUCCEED IN, IN, UH, SOLVING THE PROBLEMS WE'VE GOTTA SOLVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, FOLKS? OKAY, LET'S KEEP GOING.
THAT WAS PLACE TYPE NUMBER THREE,
UH, SO WE HAVE NINE MORE TO GO.
YEAH, WE MAY HAVE TO JUST PUN IT HERE.
I I KNOW THERE ARE SOME OF US, UH, THAT ARE ON FUMES NOW.
SO I CAN, SO WE CAN BASE, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE VERY EARLY DAY FOR ME TODAY, SO WE CAN GO TO THE SCHEDULE AND TALK THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
LET'S, YEAH, IF YOU DON'T OKAY.
SO AGAIN, UH, TODAY IS MARCH 7TH.
UH, WE BEGAN THE CONVERSATIONS ON THE PLACE TYPES.
UH, SO JUST LOOKING AT THIS SCHEDULE AGAIN, UM, STAFF PROPOSED THAT IN BETWEEN THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED CPC MEETINGS, UH, WE COULD START TO TALK ABOUT, UM, SPECIALTY CALL MEETINGS AND OTHER HEARINGS THAT WOULD OCCUR, UH, IN BETWEEN.
SO WANNA JUST BRING US BACK UP, UH, TO SEE, UH, WHAT YOU ALL FEEL, UH, COULD HAPPEN.
SO JUST LOOKING AT KIND OF SOME DELIVERABLES AND SOME, UM, PROJECTED DATES TO, TO HAVE OUR FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING HOPEFULLY END OF APRIL, UH, A A DRAFT REVISED BASED ON ALL THE FEEDBACK.
SO LOOKING AT, UM, MARCH 14TH, 21, BASICALLY EVERY TWO WEEKS, UH, FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.
UM, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A, A GENERAL KIND OF SUGGESTION, BUT IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MEET ON A ANOTHER DAY OR MORE FREQUENT, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THREE PLACE TYPES.
WE MIGHT NEED A FEW MORE TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER NINE.
SO, UH, OPEN TO THE DIALOGUE RELATED TO WHAT YOU THINK AND HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED.
I'M, I'M CURIOUS COMMISSIONERS, WHAT, WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THIS, UH, AND, AND MAYBE HAVING JUST, UH, SPECIAL CALLED HEARINGS JUST TO, JUST TO BRIEF THE FORWARD DALLAS HAVE
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DONE, I KNOW THAT FOR ME PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, THESE THESE DAYS ARE SO HEAVY AND IT'S SO INTENSIVE WITH THE ZONING CASES.I JUST DON'T HAVE THE, THE MENTAL BANDWIDTH HERE ABOUT SIX O'CLOCK TO, TO DO A LOT OF CRITICAL THINKING, FRANKLY.
AND SO THAT TODAY WAS AMAZING AND, AND, UH, WE, WE HAD SOME, UH, A LOT OF GREAT POINTS MADE AND A LOT TO CONSIDER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I IT'S
UH, AND I'M THINKING I'M, I PERSONALLY WON'T BE AS PRODUCTIVE THIS LATE.
I'M CURIOUS, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT MAYBE HAVING A, A MEETING OR TO JUST TO DO THIS, WHAT WE DID NOW.
AND THAT WAY I KNOW SOME OF US WILL BE MORE FRESH AND MORE PRODUCTIVE.
UH, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, WHAT DO YOU THINK, SIR? I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT IDEA AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A WORKSHOP TOO.
KIND OF WHERE WE, UH, COME, COME BACK WITH OUR IDEAS FOR HOW WE CAN, UH, IMPROVE UPON THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY, THEY'VE PUT FORWARD TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WITH OUR PERSPECTIVES AND, AND, AND, AND I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I, I DON'T THINK THAT MYSELF AND AND CHRISTIAN ARE THAT FAR OFF IN TERMS OF OUR PERSPECTIVES.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND HIS POINT OF VIEW.
I HOPE HE UNDERSTANDS MINE AND WE JUST NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH SIDES ARE HAPPY HERE.
AND IF WE CAN DO THAT, THEN I THINK WE'VE GOTTA WORK WITH DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE SOLD TO THE CITY.
I I LIKE THAT YOU'RE AN OPTIMIST LIKE I AM.
I, I JUST WANNA WARN YOU THOUGH, I BELIEVE THAT IF, IF, IF, IF WE DON'T MAKE THESE CHANGES AND WE DON'T PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS WHOLE, UH, AUDITORIUM FULL LIKE YOU DID ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL DEBATE.
AND WE, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THERE BEFORE, RIGHT.
AND, UH, AND, AND EVEN WITH A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE, I THINK, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF, I'M STILL GONNA DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
I'M STILL GONNA DO WHAT'S THE PUBLIC GOOD.
AND IF A THOUSAND PEOPLE SHOW UP TO, TO YELL AND SCREAM AT ME, THEN YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN SO BE IT.
UM, WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, WHAT, WHAT DATES ARE WE PROPOSING HERE WHERE WE COULD HAVE SPECIAL WORKSHOPS? SO, YEAH, SO, UM, NEXT WEEK WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE.
UM, AGAIN, WE JUST KIND OF DID THE OFF WEEKS OF CPC SO WE COULD MEET AGAIN NEXT THURSDAY.
OR JUST THINKING ABOUT MAYBE FROM NOW TO APRIL, WE COULD MEET ON THE OFF WEEKS, UH, TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER ON THURSDAY, IF THAT WORKS.
UH, IF WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT, YOU KNOW, UM, EVENING TIME.
IT COULD BE IN THE MORNING TIME.
SO WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW WE SCHEDULE THAT INTO THE, THE, THE CONVERSATION AND SCHEDULE.
SO FIRST OPTION WOULD BE OFF WEEKS OF TPC, ABOUT THE 28TH FOR JUST, JUST, UH, A FOR DALLAS DISCUSSION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT FOR FOLKS ONLINE? I'M NOT SEEING, NO.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, MR. CHAIR.
AND I, I, MY ONLY OBSERVATION WAS GONNA BE, I THINK MANY OF US ARE PROBABLY BOOKED UP IN THE NEXT WEEK.
UM, BUT I, I FULLY AGREE WITH THE IDEA TO DO THESE SEPARATELY.
I, I DO THINK, WE'LL, IT WILL BE FRESHER AS YOU SAY.
I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT IN THE DAYLIGHT HOURS,
AND, AND, AND WITH THE 28TH IS KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSED SCHEDULE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD A FEW OTHER DELIVERABLES OR DISCUSSIONS IN BETWEEN OUR CURRENT 28TH ON, ON HERE.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROBABLY AN ALL DAY THING.
IF Y'ALL FEEL WE CAN GET THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS AND, AND MAYBE EVEN THE PLACE MAP CONVERSATION, UH, LET US KNOW MAYBE HOW LONG YOU THINK, UH, YOU ALL TO BE ATTENTIVE, UH, TO, TO DISCUSS THAT WITH US.
WHAT ABOUT TIME? UH, NINE O'CLOCK.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONSTRAINT? I'M OPEN
IS THIS A WORKSHOP? IS THIS GONNA BE A WORKSHOP? IT BE WORKSHOP'S, DISCUSSION BRIEFING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE WE NEED, BUT IF, BUT IF WE COULD DO, UM, UH, NINE TO NOON OR NINE TO ONE OR SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO NINE TO EIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
HOW, HOW MANY HOURS DO YOU THINK WE, WE NEED FOR THE, I MEAN, DO WE NEED ANOTHER SIX HOURS, EIGHT HOURS? RIGHT.
SO WHEN WE, UH, HAD THE CON SAME CONVERSATION WITH OUR LAST COMMITTEE, UH, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME TIME.
UM, WE GOT THE MOST KIND OF FEEDBACK FROM THERE.
UM, AND WE WOULD BASICALLY ANTICIPATE GETTING THROUGH ALL THE PLACE TYPES, UM, AND ALSO KIND OF TALKING THROUGH SOME OF THE PLACE TYPE MAP CONVERSATION.
UM, IN THAT TIME, AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL WAS A VERY BEEFY ONE, SO WE'D LIKELY BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH A LOT OF THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR MEETING.
28TH, 9:00 AM WHAT ABOUT OUR FOLKS ONLINE? IS THAT OKAY? GREAT.
AND AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO ALSO CALL A COUPLE OF, UH, SPECIAL CALL HEARINGS WHEN WE START TAKING PUBLIC INPUT.
AND, UH, AT DEFINITELY ONE, MAYBE MORE THAN ONE.
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AND THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE EVENING TO ALLOW MORE FOLKS TO, TO COME DOWN.AND DID YOU WANT TALK THROUGH WHEN THOSE WOULD POSSIBLY BE BE SCHEDULED? WOULD THAT BE DURING 28TH MEETING, THINKING ABOUT WHEN TO, I MEAN, YEAH, WE USE THAT MEETING TO TALK THROUGH ABOUT, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS OR YOU WANNA USE TODAY TO SCHEDULE THOSE.
WELL, I, I'M HOPING TO, TO HEAR FROM, FROM THE BODY IN TERMS OF THE SCHEDULE, SEE WHEN FOLKS ARE TRAVELING.
I WAS HOPING WE'D HAVE MORE COMMISSIONERS HERE TODAY AS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE MORE CONFLICTS, BUT, UM, I THINK MAYBE IN MAY WE'LL START WITH THE PUBLIC.
UH, AND I THINK MAYBE WE WILL KNOW ON THE 28TH, BUT, UH, BUT COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU CAN START LOOKING AT YOUR CALENDAR AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF DATES IN MAY, MAYBE THE, UH, WHAT THE NINTH, 23RD THESE WOULD BE, UH, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX, SIX O'CLOCK.
COMMISSIONERS, UM, OH, NOT BEFORE SIX.
I DIDN'T HEAR, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT.
NO, I WAS SAYING PREFERABLY NOT STARTING BEFORE SIX.
COULD YOU FLOAT THAT I IDEA ONE MORE TIME? I, THAT, THAT GOT AWAY FROM THAT? I, I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT 6:00 AM AND 6:00 PM NO, NO, NO.
YEAH, SO I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HEAR RIGHT.
WE'RE ALL WORKING OUT TOMORROW.
WHEN, WHEN WE START TAKING PUBLIC INPUT, AND WE'VE DONE THIS WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS, LAYING NIGHT OVERLAY SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, WE, WE TEND TO HAVE SPECIALTY CALLED HEARINGS TO ONLY TAKE PUBLIC INPUT.
AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM FOLKS ALL THE TIME IS, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T MAKE IT THE CITY HALL AT 9:00 AM 10:00 AM SO IT'S BETTER DONE IN THE EVENING.
AND WE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, 6:00 PM IS USUALLY THE BEST TIME WHERE ALLOW FOLKS TO COME ON DOWN AND, AND, UM, AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEY THINK.
AND I'M THINKING WE MAY NEED MORE, MORE THAN MORE OF THOSE MORE.
AND I THINK KIND OF LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT WE'LL BE PROVIDING FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.
SO IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC HEARING AROUND MAY 9TH, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO HAVE A REVISED DRAFT BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK FOR THEM TO REACT TO IN PROBABLY LATE APRIL.
SO I THINK BE ABLE TO GET ALL THAT FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A DOCUMENT LATE APRIL.
WANNA BE ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH IF THE 28TH IS THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, A LOT HAS TO GET DONE.
UH, WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT MAYBE SOMETIME EARLY APRIL IF WE NEED TO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY HIT A, A, A LATE APRIL KIND OF REVISED DRAFT DOCUMENT FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE AS THEY COME TO THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IT WAS NOT AN ISSUE WITH GENTLE DENSITY LIKE CHAD WEST.
ANY OTHER, UH, SUGGESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, CONFLICTS WITH SCHEDULES.
SO MAYBE, UH, EMAIL THAT OUT TO THE, TO THE BODY.
'CAUSE I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE NOT HERE TODAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME CONFLICT.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, I CAUGHT A LOT OF DATES GOING AROUND.
I I DO KNOW I'VE MANAGED TO GET THE, UM, EIGHT 28TH ON MY CALENDAR, BUT IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THOSE DATES.
JUST TO KIND OF, UM, KIND OF REITERATE, UH, THINKING ABOUT SUGGESTED PUBLIC HEARING DATES WOULD BE PROBABLY, MAYBE MAY, MAY 9TH AND MAY 23RD CAME UP.
UM, BUT PROBABLY, PROBABLY EARLY MAY.
WE MIGHT NEED MORE THAN THOSE TWO, UH, DEPENDING ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET.
BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY TYPE THIS OUT AND, AND HAVE IT CIRCULATED, UH, THROUGH YOLANDA TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND I WILL APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THIS.
SO WE ARE NOT CONFIRMING, UH, SECOND MEETING DATE FOR THIS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS IN APRIL.
ANYTIME WHETHER A BRIEFING OR OTHERWISE, THAT'S TBD.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ONE ON, ON MY NOTES UNLESS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HADN'T MISSED THE DATE.
THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL LUCID HERE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE STILL GONNA CONTINUE TO DISCUSS FORWARD DALLAS AT, AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR HEARINGS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? NO.
IF WE WERE, UM, CONTEMPLATING A SECOND APRIL DEDICATED WORKSHOP OKAY.
OUTSIDE OF OUR REGULAR MEETINGS.
SO I THINK AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HEARINGS, THOSE CAN STILL HAPPEN, UM, BEFORE THESE ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETINGS.
SO I THINK WE ALSO WANT TO ALSO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.
DON'T WANNA WAIT TWO MONTHS MAYBE UNTIL THEY GET FEEDBACK.
SO MAYBE THINK OF THROUGH HOW CAN WE STILL HEAR THEIR FEEDBACK AS WE'RE DOING THESE WORKSHOPS? AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT
AND I KNOW THOSE ARE GOING ON AND I APPRECIATE STAFF SUPPORT ON THOSE.
UH, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON,
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YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.I'M, I'M, AGAIN, I'M, I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE BODY IF, IF WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE A SECOND, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU WORKSHOP, WE CAN AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT NOW.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? AND, AND THEN GO TO THE, THE PUBLIC PIECE? UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S MAYBE MORE VALUABLE TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT ONCE WE'RE A LITTLE FURTHER ON THAT WAY FOLKS KNOW KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THE DOCUMENT AND WE DON'T ASK FOLKS TO COME DOWN KNOW IN APRIL AND THEN IN MAY, YOU KNOW, 10% OF IT CHANGED OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME AGAIN.
SO I THINK WE'RE, OH, GO AHEAD.
WAS THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA, I I I DO TEND TO AGREE AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW MANY PAGES AND, AND INFORMATION IS STILL LEFT FOR US ALL TO DIGEST AND DISCUSS AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR ANOTHER MEETING.
AGAIN, KNOWING THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF OUR DOCKETS, UM, IT GETS DIFFICULT TO BE AS, UM, AS FRESH AS WE'D LIKE TO BE WHEN CONSIDERING THIS IMPORTANT MATTER.
SO I THINK, YEAH, SO APRIL 11TH IS, COULD BE ANOTHER DATE THAT WE HAVE ON HERE.
SO IF WE USE THE 28TH AND 11TH AND WE COVER ALL OF THE SECTIONS, UM, THAT'S THAT WAY WE HAVE A, A RE REVISED DRAFT, UM, END OF APRIL.
BUT I THINK ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHEN AND HOW WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS OCCUR, UM, DURING THAT TIME.
UM, ALSO, SORRY, ON THESE DATES TOO AS WELL, UH, GOING BACK TO THE, THE FEEDBACK, UM, WHAT WE'RE HEARING, UM, SO THE, THE FOURTH, THE SEVENTH, THE 21ST, THOSE ARE DURING CPC AND I THINK THEY'RE, THE BANDWIDTH THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THEIR PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO KIND OF PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK.
WE COULD LIMIT IT AND STILL HAVE US COME BEFORE Y'ALL FOR LIKE AN HOUR OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK THOSE ARE STILL OPENINGS THAT WE CAN USE AS THE, THE, THE, THE SCHEDULED MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.
I THINK THE FEEDBACK WAS THAT THE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH BANDWIDTH.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT USING THE 28TH OR, AND, AND OR THE 11TH, UH, TO KIND OF COMPLETE THE DISCUSSION WITH THIS POINT.
SO DO WE WANT TO ADD THE 11TH COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? WE SEE, I SEE SOME HEADS NODDING HERE.
WHAT ABOUT OUR FOLKS ONLINE? 9:00 AM ON THE 11TH.
I NEVER THINK, ALRIGHT, SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT I'VE TAKE TAKEN DOWN THE 28TH, UH, WOULD BE KIND OF THE ALL DAY, UM, FROM NINE TILL FOUR OR NINE TILL TWO, WE CAN CLARIFY, UH, AVAILABILITY.
UH, SAME THING APRIL 11TH TO BE ABLE TO KNOCK OUT THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, THE PLACE TYPE MAP AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, GETTING THAT FEEDBACK.
UM, THEN WE'LL STAFF WILL DEVELOP A REVISED DRAFT BASED ON THAT.
UM, THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T GET CLARITY ON WAS HOW PUBLIC HEARINGS WOULD OCCUR EITHER ON THE 11TH AND THE 28TH.
NOT LOOKING AT THOSE DATES, WE'LL JUST DO IT AFTER.
SO THAT WILL OCCUR AFTER WE HAVE A REVISED DOCUMENT.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR QUESTION.
SO IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO HAVE THAT AFTER THESE TWO MEETINGS? I WOULD THINK SO, YES.
AND THAT WOULD STILL BE BEGINNING OF MAY PROBABLY.
SO WE'RE OKAY WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS BEING BEGINNING OF MAY AFTER THE FEEDBACK.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE IF WE COULD DO IT IN THE, THE BEGINNING OF MAY.
AND SO WE'RE JUST, WE WOULD DO ONE FULL MEETING OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
AND OF COURSE, COMMISSIONERS, UM, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE'RE DIGESTING THE DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, SEND THE QUESTIONS IN FOR STAFF AND THE COMMENTS AND YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS THEY CAN GET AHEAD OF TIME, THAT WAY WE CAN BE PRODUCTIVE.
UH, AND, AND HOPEFULLY BY OUR SECOND MEETING, OUR, OUR SECOND SPECIALTY CALLED BRIEFING, WE'LL BE CLOSER TO, UH, MAYBE A FINAL DRAFT WHERE WE HASHED OUT ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, THE FRICTION ZONES HERE.
CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? YES, PLEASE, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ARE WE GOING, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A FORWARD DALLAS BRIEFING SEGMENT ON OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED CPC MEETING ON THE 21ST OF MARCH? I MEAN, THIS IS A LOT AT THE END OF A LONG TALK.
IT REALLY IS, BUT I'M, I'M JUST ASKING IS RIGHT PLANNED FOR THERE TO BE MORE TIME, UH, DEVOTED TO FLORIDA, DALLAS, YOU KNOW, A DURING THE DAY, DURING OUR HEARING, WHETHER AT THE BEGINNING OR THE END ON THE 21ST.
SO I THINK, UH, AFTER, UH, APRIL 11TH, I BELIEVE MOST OF EITHER STEPH, CPC MEMBERS ARE GONNA BE THE A PA.
UH, SO I BELIEVE THAT LAST WEEK WE COULD BRIEF YOU ALL ON THE A, A PACKAGE DOCUMENT, UM, ON MARCH 21ST.
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IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S ACTUALLY ASKING A DIFFERENT QUESTION.I THINK WHAT SHE'S ASKING IS MARCH OUR REGULAR CPC HEARINGS.
OH, SORRY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS MY APRIL.
SO WILL WE STILL BE BRIEFING FORWARD DALLAS? IS THAT, WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, WE COULD THAT QUESTION.
SORRY IF I DIDN'T MAKE IT CLEAR UP TO THIS BODY.
IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A MINI VERSION OF THIS TALK THROUGH MAYBE TWO OR THREE PLAY TYPES, WE COULD, UM, AND BRIEF IN THAT TIME, BUT ONE HOUR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST SUCH A DENSE MATERIAL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIT IT IN, YOU KNOW, DOING THE BRIEFING AND WE JUST NEVER KNOW.
AND TODAY WE RUN OUT TIME FOR BRIEFING ZONING CASES, SO RIGHT.
EVEN IF WE PUT IT ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, WE MAY NOT GET TO IT.
SO AN AN OPTION WE CAN JUST, WE CAN HAVE THAT OPEN LIKE EVERY, EVERY CPC MEETING.
SO IF YOU ALL CAN, WE CAN KIND OF PUT SOME MATERIAL THERE.
IF NOT THE 28TH AND THE 11TH ARE STILL GONNA BE WHERE WE KIND OF HASH OUT ALL THE INFORMATION.
SO HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE 11TH, IF WE CAN USE THOSE SPECIAL, UH, THOSE SCHEDULED MEETINGS ALREADY AND KNOCK OUT SOME MATERIALS, TWO, THREE PLAY TYPES, THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO WE HAVE LESS TO DIGEST BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE YEAH.
OR, OR IF THERE IS STUFF ON THE 21ST WHERE YOU SAY, I, I'M, I'D LIKE TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK, BUT IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY SET UP TO SAY, OKAY, THAT DAY WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES USE.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT THERE OR YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET YOUR SAVED, JUST HAVE THAT OPEN TO SAY, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK, WE'RE HERE.
ANY CONSTRAINTS IN TERMS OF THIS ROOM THAT WE SHOULD KNOW? I DON'T THINK SO.
I'LL HAVE TO CHECK TO SEE IF IT'S AVAILABLE.
SO WITH THAT, CAN WE JUST GET A CLARIFICATION ON THIS? SO WHAT I HAVE IS, UH, THURSDAY, MARCH 8TH AT 28TH FROM NINE TO TWO.
AND THAT IS CONSIDERED A WORKSHOP, CORRECT? OR A BRIEFING WORK? WORKSHOP.
AND THURSDAY, APRIL 11TH FROM NINE TO TWO, CORRECT.
ALSO CONSIDERED A WORKSHOP, CORRECT? MM-HMM,
AND THEN ON MARCH 21ST, UM, WE WILL HAVE A BRIEFING FOR THE REGULAR CPC MEETING.
AND WE CAN USE THAT BRIEFING DEPENDING ON WHATEVER TIME IT WAS ALLOWED TO DISCUSS WHATEVER WE CAN FIT IN, UM, AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, AT THE BEGINNING IN MAY, SO MAYBE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS YES.
SO, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THE NINTH AND THE 23RD? NO, TO BEGIN ANY EARLIER THAN 6:00 PM IN THE EVENING.
I GUESS THE HOPE IS THAT MAY 9TH OR MAY 2ND IF POSSIBLE TO HAVE THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, NO, MAY 2ND WE HAVE A HEARING.
YOU HAVE A, WE HAVE A HEARING.
AND WE CAN DO ESPECIALLY CALLED NINTH OR 23RD, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE NINTH AND THE 23RD.
AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A THURSDAY AND IT COULD BE MAYBE TWO IN THAT WEEK.
JUST SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EVERY TWO WEEKS.
IF SO, LET'S SEE, MAYBE ON THE 11TH WE CAN, WE CAN GET THAT CLARIFICATION.
MAYBE WHAT WE DO ON THE 14TH SINCE WE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE OUR COLLEAGUES HERE, THEN WE'LL DECIDE ON THOSE, THE, THE DATES FOR THE SPECIALLY CALLED HEARINGS TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WAY.
'CAUSE I KNOW COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND I HAD A CONVERSATION AND SHE, SHE'S GONNA BE DOING SOME TRAVELING SO SHE MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE.
PLEASE SIR, THERE'S SOME, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE 28TH OF MARCH, THE 11TH OF APRIL, THERE WILL BE A VIRTUAL OPTION, I ASSUME? YES.
AND, UM, I PLAN TO ATTEND BOTH OF THOSE.
HOWEVER, DO ATTENDANCE RULES APPLY AT THOSE BRIEFINGS? I DON'T THINK SO.
SPECIAL CLUB MEETINGS, THE ATTENDANCE DO NOT APPLY.
I'LL DO MY BEST TO BE HERE, BUT JUST WOULD THIS BE A VIRTUAL OPTION FOR ALSO THE APRIL? YES.
ALL, ALL OF THEM SHOULD, SHOULD HAVE A VIRTUAL OPTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS.
UM, AND CAN PLEASE, COMMISSIONER, CAN WE STAFF ALSO? IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL AND I JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE I APPRECIATE, UM, CHAIR SHE DID AND ALL THE STAFF HELPING TO GET US UP TO SPEED 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A LONG CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN COMMISSIONER? I'M SORRY.
ONE, SORRY, LIKE NOT A COMPLETE ANSWER FOR YOU.
COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? YES.
IT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS YOUR ATTENDANCE, BUT WE STILL NEED QUORUM.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOUSE? I'LL SECOND.
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THANK YOU STAFF.THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO FOR, FOR THE CITY.