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RIGHT.

GOOD MORNING LADIES AND

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GENTLEMEN.

WELCOME TO THE HEARING OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

IT IS NOW 8 44 ON THURSDAY, MARCH 7TH, 2024.

YOU HAVE PERFECT TIMING.

WE HAVE ONE HEARING ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR RED MOUNTAIN ASSET FUND, ONE LLC APPEALING THE NOTICE OF FINAL DESIGNATION AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY.

THIS ITEM WAS HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT BY THE PERMANENT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD ON FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024, AND IS NOW SCHEDULED FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, TODAY, MARCH 7TH, 2024.

AT THIS TIME, I WILL DO A ROLL CALL OF THE BOARD.

IF PRESENT, PLEASE SAY, HERE, I'M PRESENT.

UH, VICE CHAIR TORRES.

PRESENT, UH, MS. ARIANO.

MS. AYALA PRESENT.

MS. WILLIS? PRESENT.

MR. JEFFERSON? YES.

MR. ILLA? PRESENT.

MR. JEFFS.

MR. HAYES? PRESENT.

MR. QUINT? PRESENT.

MS. SHIN PRESENT.

MR. VERA? SO ABSENT FROM TODAY'S HEARING ARE ARE ANO JEFFERSON, JEFF, VERA.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

AND THE MEETING IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER.

WILL OTHER PRESIDENT AT TODAY'S HEARING, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES BEGINNING WITH THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL.

UH, MATTHEW SAP.

THANK YOU MR. SAP.

AND FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.

MAYOR LAVA MARTINEZ.

THANK YOU ALL.

AND, UH, FOR THE APPELLANT, AUSTIN GILLAND, COUNSEL FOR THE APPELLANT.

AND WITH ME IS MY CLIENT, SHAUNA PANO.

ANDREW SKINNER, CITY CITIZENS.

SORRY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AN ECHO.

YEAH.

IF, IF MR. SKINNER, IF YOU OR MR. JENKINS, I SPEAK LIKE THIS.

IS THE VOLUME GOOD? CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? YES.

YOU'RE GOOD NOW.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, ANDREW SKINNER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WITH ME IS A WITNESS, DETECTIVE JUAN HERNANDEZ WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

DO YOU WANNA ADD JULIE SH ON, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? THANK YOU ALL.

UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS PUBLIC TESTIMONY, HOWEVER, NO SPEAKERS HAVE REGISTERED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.

AND THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024.

UH, ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE MINUTES.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY, 2015, 2024.

ALL RIGHT.

VICE CHAIR TORRES MOVES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

UH, I'M SORRY, I WASN'T LOOKING.

WAS THAT MR. QUINT? YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UH, SEEING NO DISCUSSION? UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 15TH, 2024? SAY, AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY.

ALL RIGHT.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND I WILL LET YOU SIGN THOSE SINCE YOU PROCEEDED.

UH, MM-HMM.

SINCE YOU, UH, PRESIDED OVER THAT MEETING.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER THREE ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS THE APPEAL HEARING FOR RED MOUNTAIN ASSET FUND, ONE LLC, UH, APPEALING THE NOTICE OF FINAL DETERMINATION AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY UNDER SECTION 27 DASH 51 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.

BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE APPELLANT AT THIS TIME.

WILL ALL

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THE WITNESSES WHO WISH TO TESTIFY, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE SWORN IN BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.

DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE TESTIMONY YOU WILL GIVE BEFORE THIS BOARD TODAY WILL BE THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.

YOU, NANCY.

UM, ALRIGHT.

MR. GILLIAN, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO PRESENT YOUR CASE? APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES.

OKAY.

UM, AND MR. SKINNER WILL 30 MINUTES WORK FOR THE CITY? 30 MINUTES WILL WORK, YES.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU SHOULD GET 30 MINUTES.

UM, AND WE HAVE, UM, FOR THE APPELLANT, WE HAVE ONE EXHIBIT, LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE 119 PAGES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

AND FOR THE CITY, MR. SKINNER, I HAVE, UH, TWO EXHIBITS, A FIVE PAGE LETTER, AND THEN, UH, A MUCH LONGER EXHIBIT.

IS THAT CORRECT FOR YOU GUYS? THAT IS CORRECT.

I'VE REVIEWED THEM, UH, THE LINKS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND WE ARE GOOD THIS TIME.

YEP.

ALL RIGHT.

EXCELLENT.

OKAY, THEN WE HAVE ACCEPTED THOSE INTO EVIDENCE.

UM, MR. SAP, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ THE RELEVANT ORDINANCE? THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

THE RELEVANT ORDINANCE IS SECTION 27 48, THE PRESUMPTIONS FOR A HABIT HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY PROPERTY IS PRESUMED A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY.

IF THE PROPERTY IS THE SITE OF FIVE OR MORE DEBATABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN 365 DAYS, RESULTING IN EITHER A REPORT OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY DOCUMENTING AN INVESTIGATION OF AN DEBATABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY OR ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST ANY PERSON ASSOCIATED WITH THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY, AND AT WHICH PERSONS HAVE HISTORICALLY COMMITTED AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES ACCORDING TO RECENT CRIME DATA.

THANK YOU, MR. SAPP.

UM, MR. GILLIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN WITH A BRIEF OPENING STATEMENT? YES.

ALRIGHT.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR 10 MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO APPEAR AT THIS HEARING.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I REPRESENT RED MOUNTAIN ASSET FUND, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AS THE SUBJECT OF THIS HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY DESIGNATION.

JUST TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE STATUTES, THIS STATUTE IS NOT NECESSARILY ONE OF SIMPLY CRIME.

UH, THIS IS A STATUTE, STATUTE THAT RELATES TO A OWNER'S NEGLIGENCE OR FAILURE TO ACCOUNT FOR CRIME AT A PROPERTY, OR BASICALLY TO PUT THEIR HEAD IN THE SAND AND PRETEND THAT THERE'S JUST NO CRIME AND NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE SEE THE HCP DESIGNATION, THAT'S WHY THERE'S FINES RELATED, UH, WITH BEING DESIGNATED AS AN HCP PROPERTY.

AND THAT IS WHY THE QUESTION BEFORE US TODAY IS WHETHER THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT RED MOUNTAIN ASSET FUND KNOWINGLY TOLERATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS.

AND OUR POSITION IS FIRMLY THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT RED MOUNTAIN ASSET FUND, THE PROPERTY OWNER, HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO OVERCOME THE CRIME ISSUES THAT ARE, THAT ARE AT THIS PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN DOING SO FOR YEARS.

UM, THE EVIDENCE WILL SHOW THAT OUR CLIENT EXPENDED SIGNIFICANT FUNDS TO THE TUNE OF A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO ABATE THIS CRIME.

AND I, I, I, I JUST, I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE FACT THAT YOU EXPEND ALL THIS MONEY, YOU PROACTIVELY UP WITH THE DPD PROACTIVELY FOLLOW UP TO GET SECURITY FOR THE PROPERTY, HOST MONTHLY CRIME MEETINGS, AND THEN YOU'LL STILL BE PRESUMED TO, OR I APOLOGIZE, NOT PRESUMED, BUT THAT STILL ISN'T SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT YOU KNOWINGLY TOLERATED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

THIS, THIS STATUTE IS A PRESUMPTION, IT'S A PRESUMPTION BASED ON CONDUCT THAT HAPPENED.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DENYING THAT THERE WERE DEBATABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPENED AT THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE PRESUMPTION NOTICE.

BUT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ARGUING IS THIS IS A PRESUMPTION THAT WE OVERCOME BY SHOWING WE TOOK REASONABLE STEPS.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE FOCUS OF TODAY'S HEARING.

AND THANKFULLY, THE STATUTE ALSO OUTLINES SOME THINGS THAT ARE DEEMED REASONABLE AND THEY'RE NON EXHAUSTIVE.

IT, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH EACH ONE OF THEM.

UM, BUT IT'S JUST A LIST THAT'S PROVIDED FOR IN SECTION 27 DASH 49 B ONE.

UH, AND IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY CERTAIN MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN DEEMED BY THE, THE, THE LEGISLATURES, THE WRITERS OF THE STATUTE TO BE REASONABLE STEPS.

SOMETHING THAT A PROPERTY OWNER

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CAN LOOK TO WHEN THEY HAVE THE DPD SAYING, IF YOU DON'T DO ALL THESE STEPS, WE'LL DESIGNATE YOU.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY SOMETHING THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN LOOK TO AS A FIRM, AS FIRM LAW AND SAY, IF I DO THESE THINGS, I'LL BE DEEMED TO HAVE TAKEN REASONABLE STEPS.

AND IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY FIRM LAW THAT A PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO GO OFF OF TO AVOID BEING DESIGNATED AS AN HCP.

UM, AND SO I I ALSO BELIEVE THAT TODAY WE'LL PRESENT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT WE COMPLY WITH ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE SEVEN REASONABLE STEPS.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, AND, UM, MR. JENKINS WILL BE SHARING HIS SCREEN, UH, FOR A POWERPOINT THAT GOES ALONG WITH MY OPENING AS WELL.

OKAY.

UH, MARIO, MAKE THAT WORK.

AND, UH, MR. SKINNER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR 10 MINUTES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PERMIT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD.

WE ARE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 43 43 WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD AS HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY, OR HCP AS WE WILL CALL IT.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, GO OVER THE ORDINANCE, UH, THE BASIC PROCESS OF DESIGNATING A PROPERTY AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY.

WHEN THE DPD OR ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT BECOMES AWARE OF A PROPERTY THAT THEY BELIEVE EXPERIENCES HIGH CRIME, THE PROPERTY IS REFERRED TO THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT UNIT OF THE DPD.

THE DETECTIVES IN THIS DIVISION WILL THEN EVALUATE THE PROPERTY TO, TO DETERMINE IF IT IS PRESUMED TO BE AN HCP UNDER THE DALLAS CITY ORDINANCE, WHICH I'M GONNA REVIEW MOMENTARILY.

UH, IF THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, THE CITY NOTIFIES THE OWNER IN A LETTER OUTLINING THE CRIMES THAT OCCURRED ON THE PROPERTY AND SETTING A DATE FOR A MEETING BETWEEN DPD AND THE OWNER.

AT THIS MEETING, THE OWNER MAY PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT REASONABLE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES WERE IN PLACE DURING THE PERIOD THAT THE CRIMES OCCURRED.

THE CITY REVIEWS THE EVIDENCE AND THEN MAKES A FINAL DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER TO DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY AS AN HCP OR NOT.

THIS PROPERTY WAS REFERRED FOR EVALUATION, AND ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023, THE DPD SENT A LETTER NOTIFYING THE OWNER THAT IT WAS PRESUMED TO BE AN HCP AND A COURT MEETING OCCURRED ON OCTOBER 3RD, AND THE OWNER PRESENTED EVIDENCE, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S EVIDENCE BINDER.

AND I BELIEVE, UH, APPELLANT'S EVIDENCE BINDER, UH, DPD DETERMINED THAT THE EVIDENCE DID NOT REBUT THE PRESUMPTIONS AND SENT A LETTER DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY HCP ON NOVEMBER 1ST.

SO, BEFORE OUTLINING THE CITY'S EVIDENCE THAT YOU'LL BE HEARING TODAY, I I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY REVIEW THE RELEVANT ORDINANCE.

UH, DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I, I THINK THIS WILL BE HELPFUL.

UH, SO SECTION 27 DASH 51 C STATES THAT THE PERMIT LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IS LIMITED TO THE ISSUES OF WHETHER THE PRESUMPTIONS IN SECTION 27 DASH 48 ARE SATISFIED.

UH, WHEN LOOKING AT 27 DASH 48, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO PRESUMPTIONS.

UH, THE FIRST IS REGARDING THE PROPERTY.

A PROPERTY IS PRESUMED TO BE A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY IF FIVE OR MORE AVAILABLE CRIMES OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY IN A 365 DAY PERIOD, AND THAT THERE IS A HISTORY OF AAT CRIME AT THE PROPERTY.

THE SECOND PRESUMPTION REGARDS THE OWNER, UH, THAT'S WHAT, UH, MY OPPOSING COUNSEL WAS, WAS REFERRING TO, AND THAT IT, THAT AN OWNER IS PRESUMED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY TOLERATED THE AVAILABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BY FAILING TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS TO ABATE THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

THE ACCORD MEETING IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OWNER TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE OF THE REASONABLE STEPS THEY HAVE TAKEN.

SO IN DETERMINING THESE TWO PRESUMPTIONS, THE BOARD REALLY ONLY NEEDS TO ANSWER THREE QUESTIONS.

DID FIVE OR MORE DEBATABLE CRIMES OCCUR AT THE PROPERTY IN A 365 DAY PERIOD? IS THERE A HISTORY OF DEBATABLE CRIME AT THE PROPERTY? AND DID THE OWNER FAIL TO IMPLEMENT THE REASONABLE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES, WHICH ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS BEFORE US TODAY? AND, AND I'LL COME BACK TO THEM, UH, AS WE, AS WE COVER THEM.

UH, THE OWNER MAY ARGUE THAT THE HCP DESIGNATION IS INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF THE MEASURES THAT THEY IMPLEMENTED AFTER THE HCP PERIOD.

THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES THIS SITUATION IN 27 DASH 50, WHICH STATES THAT THE DPD MAY AT ANY TIME DETERMINE THAT THE PRESUMPTIONS UNDER SECTION 27 DASH 48 ARE NO LONGER SATISFIED.

ONCE A PROPERTY OWNER BELIEVES THAT ALL REASONABLE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED, THE DPD MAY BE CALLED OUT TO REEVALUATE AND REMOVE THE DESIGNATION.

IF, IF THE PRESUMPTION HAS BEEN REBUTTED.

UH, HOWEVER, THE ACTIONS TAKEN AFTER THE HCP PERIOD SHOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON THE HCP DESIGNATION.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT TO ASSESS A PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIVENESS TO A CITY REQUEST, BUT RATHER TO ENSURE THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ON THEIR OWN INITIATIVE PROACTIVELY TAKE REASONABLE STEPS TO PREVENT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

UH, IN CONCLUSION, I, I'LL RETURN TO THE THREE QUESTIONS BEFORE.

OKAY.

UH, WELL, IN, IN CONCLUSION, I'M GONNA RETURN TO THE THREE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY AND, AND, UH, GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE EVIDENCE THAT WILL DETERMINE IF THE TWO PRESUMPTIONS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.

UH, THE FIRST QUESTION, DID FIVE OR MORE AAT CRIMES OCCUR

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DURING ONE YEAR PRIOR TO THE CITY'S HCP DESIGNATION? UH, THE EVIDENCE WILL SHOW THAT NINE AAT CRIMES OCCURRED, UH, DURING THIS PERIOD ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, QUESTION TWO, IS THERE A HISTORY OF DEBATABLE CRIME AT THE PROPERTY? THE EVIDENCE WILL SHOW THAT 37 DEBATABLE CRIMES OCCURRED IN THE PREVIOUS FIVE YEARS, UH, INCLUDING THE HCP PERIOD.

AND FINALLY, DID THE OWNER FAIL TO IMPLEMENT REASONABLE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES ON THE PROPERTY? THE EVIDENCE WILL SHOW THAT ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS IMPLEMENTED CERTAIN MEASURES, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS INFORMED OF, UH, THE CITY'S SUGGESTED REASONABLE CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES LONG BEFORE THE HCP PERIOD, AND STILL TO THIS DAY, HAS FAILED TO IMPLEMENT, UH, MANY OF THOSE, UH, CRUCIAL CRIME PREVENTION MEASURES THAT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDED.

AND ONCE THE CITY ESTABLISHES THE ABOVE FACTS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD AFFIRM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY AS A HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MR. SKINNER.

AND WE ARE NOW READY TO, UH, BEGIN.

UH, MR. GILLIAN, YOU HAVE, UH, 30 MINUTES, AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT YOUR 30 MINUTES INCLUDES THE TIME THAT YOU WILL SPEND, IF ANY, UH, QUESTIONING THE CITY'S WITNESSES, BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY TIME OR QUESTIONS OF YOUR WITNESSES.

SO, OKAY.

UM, ALL RIGHT, PROCEED.

SO, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO WALK THROUGH THE MEASURES THAT OUR CLIENT HAS TAKEN, UM, PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE PRESUMPTION NOTICE, WHICH AS, UH, MR. SKINNER MENTIONED WAS SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023, UM, BEGINNING WITH WHAT IS, UH, WHAT IS EXHIBIT THREE AND EXHIBIT 13 OF THE EVIDENCE THAT WE SUBMITTED.

UM, THIS IS AN EMAIL CHAIN FROM OUR CLIENT REQUESTING OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.

UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR, THAT OUR CLIENT HAS BEEN DOING FOR WELL BEFORE THE, UH, THE PRESUMPTION NOTICE.

UH, IT ACTUALLY BEGAN IN ON JUNE 21ST, 2022.

UH, AND AS, AND AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE CORRESPONDENCE, OUR CLIENT HAS CONTINUALLY FOLLOWED UP, UH, AND REQUESTED ADDITIONAL OFF-DUTY PD, UH, TO BE PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY.

UH, BUT OF COURSE, THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE AVAILABILITY OF OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS.

UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND, AND AS, AS, UH, SHAUNA CAN, CAN TESTIFY TO, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO GET THESE OFFICERS TO, UH, WORK FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AT THE PROPERTY.

SO BETWEEN OFFICERS, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, OF TURNOVER AS TO WHICH OFFICER MAY BE PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY.

UH, BUT NONETHELESS, AS, AS YOU'VE SEEN THROUGH THESE CORRESPONDENCES, OUR CLIENT HAS FOLLOWED UP NUMEROUS TIMES TO GET THIS JOB POSTING, UH, BACKUP ON THE DPDS WEBSITE, UH, TO GET OFF-DUTY, UM, OFF-DUTY OFFICERS AT THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, OUR CLIENT HAS BEEN EMAILING WITH THE DPD TO TRY AND GET A SKYTOWER, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.

AND, AND THAT'S LISTED ON EXHIBIT FOUR, AND THAT COMMUNICATION BEGINS AGAIN, JUNE 22ND, 2022, UH, WELL BEFORE THE PRESUMPTION NOTICE.

UM, AND EVENTUALLY OUR CLIENT, UH, AFTER BEING ON A LIST FOR A LONG TIME, WAITING TO TRY TO GET THIS SKY CAMERA, UM, OUR CLIENT EVENTUALLY JUST WENT OUT AND GOT ONE, UH, ON, ON THEIR OWN ACCORD, PURCHASED A, OR NOT PURCHASED, BUT, UH, EXECUTED A CONTRACT TO GET A SKYCAM PROVIDED BY A THIRD PARTY SERVICE, NOT BY THE DPD, UH, FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT, UH, SHAUNA HAD BEEN FOLLOWING UP, WAS ON THIS LIST AND WAS NOT GETTING THE SKYCAM, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT THE PROPERTY NEEDED, THAT SHE'D WANTED FOR THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND THAT, THAT WENT INTO EFFECT IN OCTOBER.

UH, SO OF COURSE IT WAS, IT WAS AFTER THE, THE DESIGNATION WHERE WE ACTUALLY ACQUI GOT THIS SKYCAM.

BUT PRIOR TO THAT DATE, PRIOR TO HAVING THAT SKYCAM UP, OUR CLIENT HAD BEEN FOLLOWING UP TO TRY TO GET A SKYCAM FROM THE DPD, UM, SINCE JUNE OF 2022, UH, AND HAD BEEN PROACTIVE IN DOING SO, UH, MAINLY BECAUSE AS, AS MY OPPOSING COUNSEL, I'M, I'M CERTAIN WE'LL TOUCH ON, UH, AS A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, HAS HIGHER CRIME.

AND THIS SKYCAM IS AS IT'S PLACED NOW, AND IT'S, IT'S IN, UH, IN OPPOSING COUNSEL'S EXHIBITS AS WELL, A PICTURE OF THE SKYCAM, UH, THAT SHOWS ITS LOCATION AND IT'S, IT'S LOCATED FOR THE SOLE REASON TO BE ABLE TO SHOW A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT ON OTHER SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS THAT ARE AT THE PROPERTY.

UH, SO IT'S SORT OF, UH, IT, ITS FUNCTION IS TO

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PROVIDE MONITORING 24 7, UM, FOR THE WHOLE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT COVERED BY TWO OTHER CAMERAS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN OUR EXHIBIT FIVE, I REFERENCED THE OFF-DUTY PD, BUT EXHIBIT FIVE SHOWS A PAYMENT LEDGER, UH, THAT BEGINS AUGUST 17TH, 2022, ABOUT A YEAR, UH, BEFORE THE PRESUMPTION NOTICE.

AND ESSENTIALLY EACH MONTH THEREAFTER, UH, SHOWING PAYMENT FOR OFF-DUTY PD TO BE PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY.

UH, TYPICALLY THEY'LL BE PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 15 AND 20 HOURS.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, OUR CLIENT HAS HIRED A PRIVATE SECURITY SERVICE TO ALSO BE PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY, UH, DURING THE TIMES THAT THE, DURING THE TIMES THAT THE OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS CANNOT BE PRESENT, UH, AND ALSO TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT THE OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS OFTEN CAN'T WORK, UH, YOU KNOW, 40 HOURS A WEEK AT THE PROPERTY.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE JOBS THAT THEY NEED TO, TO GET TO AS WELL.

SO, UH, THE PRIVATE SECURITY SERVICE IS MEANT TO ESSENTIALLY FILL THAT, FILL THAT GAP, UM, AND THAT'S DEMONSTRATED ON THE, ON THE PAYMENT LEDGER.

UM, AND IT, IT, AS YOU, YOU SEE IT, IT RUNS FOR, UH, WEEKS.

AND THESE, UH, THESE OFFICERS ARE TYPICALLY PAID ABOUT $60 AN HOUR.

UH, AND SO MONTH BY MONTH, OUR CLIENT HAS BEEN PAYING BOTH OFF-DUTY, PD AND PRIVATE SECURITY TO BE PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY.

AND THE COST OF THIS ALONE, UH, JUST THESE, JUST THESE PAYMENTS, UM, BETWEEN THE DATES OF DECEMBER 30TH, 2021 AND SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2023.

SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE TWO WEEKS AFTER THE DATE OF THE PRESUMPTION NOTICE THESE PAYMENTS TOTAL $217,663 AND 50 CENTS THAT OUR CLIENT HAS PAID TO PRIVATE SECURITY AND OFF-DUTY PD, UH, WHO ARE TYPICALLY PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR AROUND 50 TO 64 HOURS PER WEEK.

NEXT IS WE HAVE EXHIBIT SIX, AND THIS IS A PAYMENT FOR A FENCE INSTALLATION.

UH, OUR CLIENT INSTALLED A BARBED WIRE FENCE IN 2021.

UM, AND IN ADDITION, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022, UH, THE AMOUNT OF THE FENCE INSTALL, AS YOU SEE, WAS, UH, NEARLY $11,000.

IT WAS ABOUT TEN NINE FORTY FIVE.

IN ADDITION, UH, THERE WAS A BENCH THAT, UH, PEOPLE WERE, WERE LOITERING AT THE PROPERTY.

UH, AND SO OUR CLIENT TOOK PROACTIVE STEPS BY PAYING TO HAVE THE BENCH REMOVED.

UM, AND SO ON EPT ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2022, SO ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE THIS DESIGNATION, UH, THEY PAID TO HAVE THE ORDERING BENCH REMOVED.

UH, THE COST OF THAT WAS ABOUT $7,500.

UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE ARE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES.

UH, ONE PICTURE SHOWS, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A WOMAN AND A MAN WHO ARE SITTING ON THIS, ON THIS BENCH.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE AFTER PICTURES, UH, IT'S THE, THE COBALT REAL ESTATE MAINTENANCE.

THERE'S NO LONGER ANY BENCH FOR PEOPLE TO SIT AND LOITER.

UH, SO JUST ANOTHER PROACTIVE STEP TAKEN BY, BY OUR CLIENT BEFORE THE DATE OF THIS PRESUMPTION.

NOTICE WE MOVE TO EXHIBIT EIGHT.

YOU'LL SEE A CAMERA INSTALLATION INVOICE.

THE INVOICE IS DATED JANUARY 19TH, 2023.

SO ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE PRESUMPTION NOTICE, OR I APOLOGIZE, IT IS A LIGHTING ENHANCEMENT INVOICE FOR THE EXTERIOR, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY TO ELIMINATE DARK SPOTS.

AND SO THAT THE CAMERAS THAT WILL SOON BE PLACED AT THE PROPERTY AND THE SKY CAM CAN, CAN SEE BETTER, UH, TO GET BETTER RESOLUTION.

NOW, IF WE MOVE TO EXHIBIT NINE, IS THE CAMERA INSTALLATION CONTRACT.

AND ALSO, AND, AND TANDEM WITH THAT IS THE CAMERA MONITORING CONTRACT.

UH, AND SO THE CAMERAS WENT UP IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023, UH, THE SAME MONTH OF THE PRESUMPTION NOTICE, HOWEVER, OUR CLIENT HAD ALREADY EXECUTED CONTRACTS TO INSTALL AND IMPLEMENT THESE, THESE CAMERAS, UM, IN AUGUST.

SO THE MONTH PRIOR TO GETTING THIS PRESUMPTION NOTICE, OUR CLIENT HAD EXECUTED CONTRACTS.

UH, THE, UH, THE CAMERA INSTALLATION CONTRACT IS ABOUT $3,000.

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IF WE MOVE TO WHAT IS MARKED AS OUR EXHIBIT 10.

UH, THIS IS CORRESPONDENCE FROM OUR CLIENT, UH, DATED SEPTEMBER 5TH.

SO AGAIN, BEFORE THE NOTICE, UH, REGARDING A KEYPAD INSTALLATION FOR ONE OF THE SUITES AT THE PROPERTY JUST ENHANCED, UH, ENHANCED SECURITY FOR, UH, FOR ONE OF THE, UH, FOR ONE OF THE PROPERTIES FOR ONE OF THE TENANTS.

AND IN ADDITION, WE HAVE, UH, EXHIBIT 10 DASH ONE, AND THAT IS CORRESPONDENCE RELATING TO THE ORDER OF FURNITURE FOR A POLICE REST AREA, AN AREA FOR THE PRIVATE SECURITY AND OFF-DUTY PD, UH, FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO RELAX, UM, TAKE A MINUTE, GET COFFEE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND THE FURNITURE TOTALED ABOUT $4,700.

UM, BUT OF COURSE, OUR, OUR CLIENT HAS PROACTIVELY, UH, TAKEN THESE STEPS.

THEY WANT THE OFF-DUTY PD, UH, TO BE COMFORTABLE.

UM, I, I BELIEVE THE INTENTION WAS, UH, TO HOPEFULLY HAVE A MORE COMFORTABLE ENVIRONMENT SO THAT WE HAD LESS TURNOVER WITH RESPECT TO OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THEM, UH, WORKING FOR, UH, A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AT THE PROPERTY FOR LONGER THAN A WEEK OR SO.

UM, SO THIS WAS JUST ANOTHER STEP THAT OUR CLIENT TOOK, UM, IN THE HOPES TO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE OFF-DUTY, PD, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS LESS TURNOVER OFFICER TO OFFICER.

AND SO, JUST THESE EXPENSES ALONE, UH, THAT I'VE DISCUSSED, THEY TOTAL $253,118 AND 19 CENTS.

SO APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS THAT OUR CLIENT HAS SPENT.

UH, AND OF COURSE, THESE EXPENSES DATE BACK TO, UH, DECEMBER OF, OF 2021, WITH RESPECT TO THE HIRING OF OFF DUTY, PD AND, UH, AND, AND PRIVATE SECURITY.

SO THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING OUR CLIENT HAS, HAS TAKEN LIGHTLY, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAS, UH, HAS PUT FORTH SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.

AND I'D LIKE TO TURN AS WELL TO, UH, THESE, THESE STEPS THAT ARE DEEMED REASONABLE BY THE ORDINANCE.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS SECTION 27, 49 B ONE.

UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THE OWNER HAS IMPLEMENTED CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN PRINCIPLES AT THE PROPERTY.

THIS ONE, OUR CLIENT HAS NOT DONE FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT OUR CLIENT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS ALREADY, IT WAS ALREADY IMPROVED.

IT, IT HAD A STANDING STRUCTURE.

UM, SO OUR CLIENT DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THEY SIMPLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

NUMBER TWO IS WHETHER THE OWNER HAS IMPLEMENTED MONITORING AND SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS AT THE PROPERTY.

AND AS I DISCUSSED, WE HAD A, A CAMERA MONITORING CONTRACT EXECUTED IN AUGUST OF 2023.

WE HAVE TWO CAMERAS AT THE PROPERTY IN ADDITION TO A SKYCAM THAT OUR CLIENT HAS BEEN FOLLOWING UP ON, UM, SINCE 2022.

AND THEN EVENTUALLY, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE TIRED OF BEING ON A WAITING LIST, UH, WE SIMPLY GOT OUR OWN.

UH, SO THERE'S, THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S A SKYCAM AND TWO SEPARATE OTHER CAMERAS TO MONITOR ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS.

NUMBER THREE IS THE OWNER IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE OWNER'S BUSINESS.

THAT'S TRUE.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT OUR OWNER, OR OUR, OUR CLIENT DOES.

THEY OPERATE, UM, OPERATE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, AND THEY, THEY TAKE THEIR BUSINESS VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND SO THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH REGULATIONS GOVERNING THEIR BUSINESS.

UH, THERE WAS ONE, UH, A FIRE CODE ISSUE IN 2019, WHICH OUR CLIENT QUICKLY REMEDIED.

AND SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUE.

AND OF COURSE, THAT WAS THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

NUMBER FOUR IS WHETHER THE OWNER IS ENFORCING LEASING CLAUSES AND ENFORCING TENANT SCREENING ME MEASURES AT THE PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS CERTAINLY TRUE, UH, WE SCREEN BEFORE OUR CLIENT SCREENS, UH, EACH BUSINESS THAT IS GONNA GO INTO THE PROPERTY.

UH, OUR CLIENT, AS A MATTER OF FACT, REGULARLY CONDUCTS, UH, CRIMINAL MEETINGS, UH, CRIME PREVENTION MEETINGS WITH THESE TENANTS AND INSTRUCTS THE TENANTS TO CALL 9 1 1.

AND IN FACT, THE TENANTS DO CALL 9 1 1.

I WAS READING THE REPORTS THAT, UH, THAT OPPOSING COUNSEL SUBMITTED FOR THESE INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY.

AND NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, THE OWNER OF OKAY, FOODS IS LISTED ON THE INCIDENT REPORT OF HAVING SPOKEN TO THE POLICE AND SAID, HEY, I WILL, I'LL TRY TO GET YOU VIDEO SURVEILLANCE OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE.

OR THEY MIGHT BE THE ONE WHO CALLED IN, UM, CALLED IN THE, THE, UH, THE INCIDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO WE INSTRUCT TENANTS TO MAINTAIN A LOG OF, OF, YOU KNOW, INCIDENTS LIKE THIS TO CALL THE POLICE.

UM, AND,

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AND SO WE, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE, OUR, OUR CLIENT IS CERTAINLY ENFORCING, UM, PROPERTY RULES AND, UH, AND IMPLEMENTING REGULAR, REGULAR TENANT SCREENING AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, BUT INSTRUCTING TENANTS, UH, HOW TO, HOW TO PROCEED IN THE EVENT OF, UH, OF CRIME OCCURRING AT THE PROPERTY.

NUMBER FIVE IS, UH, THAT THE OWNER IS COMMUNICATING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY TO THE CHIEF AND COOPERATING WITH THE CHIEF AS REQUESTED.

UH, AGAIN, OUR CLIENT IS, IS CALLING 9 1 1, UH, WHEN NECESSARY, AND IS, UH, IS LOGGING THESE, THESE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, UH, HAS, HAS, UH, NUMEROUS OFFICERS PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND THIS HAS BEEN, THIS IS DATED BACK, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY, UH, UNTIL 2021, UH, THAT OUR, THAT OUR CLIENT HAS, UH, HAS BEEN REQUESTING CONTINUALLY, UH, OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS REQUESTING SKY CAMS, UM, ESSENTIALLY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS REQUIRED HERE, UM, TO ABATE CRIME AT THE PROPERTY.

NUMBER SIX IS THE OWNER CAN DEMONSTRATE TO THE DIRECTOR THAT THE OWNER IS TAKING PROACTIVE STEPS TO ABATE CODE VIOLATIONS AT THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE, THE OWNER, AS I, AS I PROBABLY SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT YES, THE OWNER HAS FOR YEARS, FOR YEARS, HAS BEEN PROACTIVE WITH THIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS, THIS IS OUR CLIENT'S BUSINESS, AND OUR CLIENT HAS, HAS PAID, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, AND HAS CONTINUALLY FOLLOWED UP WITH THE DPD, UH, RE REGARDING SKY CAMERAS REGARDING, UH, REQUESTING OFFICERS.

AND SO OUR CLIENT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN PROACTIVE, YOU KNOW, DATING BACK TO 2021, UH, WITH THIS PROPERTY.

AND THE SEVENTH IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARDS SET OUT IN THIS CODE.

UM, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH, WITH THE ORDINANCE.

AND OUR POSITION HERE TODAY IS CERTAINLY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS NOT KNOWINGLY TOLERATED, UH, THE CRIME THAT THAT HAS OCCURRED AT THE PROPERTY.

THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS IN AN AREA THAT HAS HIGH CRIME IN AN IN AND OF ITSELF.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REFLECTION OF, OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OWNER'S, UH, NEGLIGENCE OR, YOU KNOW, WILLINGLY TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THE AREA.

THIS IS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS BEING EXTREMELY PROACTIVE AND, UH, AND SPARING NO EXPENSE, ESSENTIALLY TO, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS SAFE FOR ITS TENANTS AND SAFE FOR, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND JUST BY THE WAY, YOU'VE USED, UH, 16 MINUTES, SO YEAH, 14 REMAINING.

UM, AND, UH, OH, ACTUALLY, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOUR WITNESS? YES, JUST A FEW.

OKAY.

YEAH, SEAN, I'M GONNA MOVE THIS SO HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU AS WELL AS HEAR ME.

UH, SO WILL YOU, WILL YOU JUST WALK ME THROUGH, UM, WALK ME THROUGH SOME OF YOUR, UH, EXPERIENCE AS FAR AS HIRING OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS FOR THE PROPERTY? UH, WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR GETTING THESE OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS? AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PART TWO OF THAT IS, IS, UH, HOW, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO RETAIN THESE OFF-DUTY PD OFFICERS? OR, OR IS IT EASY, DO THEY GO TO THE PROPERTY? THEY WORK FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS ON END? IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH.

SURE, SURE.

SO WE POST, UM, WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, THEY HAVE A JUMP BOARD AND WE SEND AN EMAIL SAYING WE HAVE OPENINGS.

UM, WE HAVE TO LIST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOURS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

WE LIST THE PAY RATE WE LIST, THEY WANT TO KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY GET PAID, WHICH IS WEEKLY.

UM, IT'S, WE GET, WE GET CALLS FROM THE COPS.

HALF OF THEM NEVER END UP WANTING TO, UM, WORK AT THAT PROPERTY.

IT, IT'S KIND OF A ROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD OR BECAUSE OF LOGISTICAL PURPOSES, THEY JUST CAN'T FIT IT INTO GETTING OFF OF THEIR REGULAR SHIFT.

AND THEN GOING OVER TO THAT VILLAGE, THE RED BIRD VILLAGE, UM, BASICALLY WE BRING THEM ON BOARD, WE GET THEM SIGNED UP, WE GET THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR TAX ID NUMBER.

WE GET, UM, THE HOURS THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE AND WE GIVE THEM A DOWNLOAD OF WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE AND WHAT WE EXPECT THEM TO BE DOING.

UM, WE'VE ALSO, UM, HAVE, WE RENT THROUGH THIS CITY, UH, THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, POLICE PATROL VEHICLE, SO ANY OFFICER COMING TO THE PROPERTY CAN GRAB THAT CAR WITH THEM AND TAKE IT THERE AS WELL.

UM, WE LIKE TO HAVE A PRESENCE OF THE, THE POLICE CAR THERE.

UM, SO WE, WE PAY THAT ADDITIONAL FEE AS WELL.

UM, THE OFFICERS, WE'VE

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GOT A COUPLE THAT WE'VE HAD LONG TERM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART WE'LL HAVE 'EM FOR MAYBE A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

UM, WHAT I'VE BEEN FINDING IS THAT THEY'LL COME AND WANT TO WORK DURING THEIR VACATION TIME OFF FROM THEIR REGULAR SHIFTS AT PD.

AND SO WE'LL GET 'EM FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

UM, OFTENTIMES THEY CALL OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, THEY EITHER THEIR SHIFTS HAVE CHANGED OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO COME OUT TO THE PROPERTY.

UM, WE DO HAVE ONE THAT'S BEEN WITH US SINCE THE BEGINNING.

UM, OFFICER BRITTANY JORDAN, SHE'S WITH THE REDBIRD OUTREACH CENTER.

UM, SHE'S, SHE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO'S BEEN WITH US SINCE THE BEGINNING.

ALL THE OTHERS TEND TO, TO FLUCTUATE WITH THEIR AVAILABILITY AND THEIR SCHEDULE.

AND LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE START RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE TO FILL THE SHIFTS, WE SEND ANOTHER EMAIL BACK TO THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THE JOB POSTING IS STILL AVAILABLE AND TO KINDA MAYBE UP IT TO THE TOP OF THE LIST.

UM, SO THAT, THAT IS, UM, THE KIND OF THE PROCESS OF HOW WE WORK THROUGH THE CITY TO GET THE OFFICERS ON THE PROPERTY.

THANK YOU, SHAUNA.

UM, AND SO BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SORT OF AT THE MERCY OF THE, THE DPDS, UH, A POSTING, UH, YOUR JOB POSTING ON THE BOARD, AND THEN ALSO THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE OFFICERS WHO OF COURSE WORK VERY BUSY SCHEDULES AND SCHEDULES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

UM, I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU HIRED A PRIVATE SECURITY SERVICE AS WELL TO BE PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY, UM, AND ALSO HOST THESE MONTHLY, MONTHLY CRIME MEETINGS.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THESE MEETINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTANGIBLE.

WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT IN OUR, OUR, OUR EXHIBITS SO TO SPEAK.

BUT, SO IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THESE MONTHLY CRIME MEETINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GENESIS OF THEM AND, UH, AND, AND HOW THEY ARE LED, WHO LEADS THEM THINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THESE ARE LED AGAIN BY, UM, OFFICER BRITTANY JORDAN WITH THE BERRY OUTREACH CENTER AND THE, UM, SHE GOES AROUND, SHE HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE TENANTS.

AND SO SHE PASSES OUT FLYERS, SHE EMAILS THEM, SHE'S GOT A LIST OF EVERYBODY'S EMAIL ADDRESS, REMINDS EVERYBODY ABOUT THE MEETINGS.

THEY'RE HELD EVERY MONTH, AND WE HOLD IT IN THE OFFICER'S LOUNGE.

UM, WE, IF, IF I AM, I TRY TO PLAN MY VISITS AROUND THESE MEETINGS SO THAT I TOO CAN BE IN ATTENDANCE.

UM, THE OTHER OFFICERS FROM THE OUTREACH CENTER LAST MEETING, WE HAD SIX OF THEM OUT THERE, SO I REALLY APPRECIATED THEIR SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR THAT, AS DID THE TENANTS.

UM, THE MEETINGS ARE TYPICALLY, THEY START WITH SHARING, UM, THE MOST RECENT DATA, CRIME DATA FOR THAT PROPERTY.

AND, UM, IT'LL BE LIKE FROM, FOR THE PRIOR 30 DAYS.

SO WE CAN SEE, FOR INSTANCE, THE JANUARY MEETING, THE CRIME IN THE AREA HAD GONE DOWN, UM, BY 7%, THEN THE PRIOR, UM, MONTHLY REPORT.

SO THAT WAS ENCOURAGING FOR THE TENANTS TO HEAR.

AGAIN, THE MEETINGS ARE ALL ABOUT, UM, ENCOURAGING THE TENANTS RECOMMENDING WHO THEY CALL TO, TO CONTINUE CALLING.

UM, SOMETIMES THE TENANTS ARE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY WILL CALL THE POLICE AND NOBODY CAN, YOU KNOW, IS AVAILABLE TO COME OUT.

SO THE MEETINGS ARE A LOT OF THE TENANTS SPEAKING TO THAT, BUT ALSO WITH THE RED OUTREACH OUTREACH CENTER OFFICERS ALSO TELLING 'EM THE STEPS THAT THEY CAN TAKE AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND TO KEEP ENCOURAGING THEM TO, TO CALL IN WHEN AN INCIDENT OCCURS.

UM, ALSO JUST TO NOTE ON THE OFFICER'S LOUNGE, IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF DALLAS PD.

WE PUT THE WORD OUT TO THE LOCAL STATIONS AND IN THE BES AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THEY ALL HAVE ACCESS TO IT 24 HOURS A DAY, THERE'S A BATHROOM, THERE'S SNACKS, COFFEE PLACE TO DO SOME WORK TO LOUNGE.

UM, IT'S OUR WAY OF KIND OF SUPPORTING THE DALLAS PD, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, MY, MY INTENT IS TO GET MORE VISIBLE, MORE COPS AT THE CENTER.

YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SEES A POLICE CAR IN THE PARKING LOT AND THEY'RE GONNA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THANK YOU.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

UH, LET'S SEE.

MR. SKINNER, OH, THERE YOU ARE.

UH, MR. SKINNER, DO YOU HAVE A, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I THINK I JUST HAVE, UH, ONE, MAYBE TWO QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS.

ALL RIGHT.

PROCEED.

THANK YOU.

UH, MS. FIERRO.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW YOU GO ABOUT DETERMINING, UH, THE SCHEDULES FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS AND FOR THE OTHER SECURITY THAT YOU HAVE.

UH, I, I KNOW THAT YOU, I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF POSTING AND, AND ALL THAT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN DO WE NEED THEM THERE, HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT THAT PROCESS? SO WE WILL, UM, IT'S, IT'S A MOVING TARGET.

UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT DAYS OF

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THE WEEK WHERE THE SCHEDULE WILL BE GEARED MORE TOWARDS THE AFTERNOON AND TO THE NIGHTTIME AND OTHER DAYS WHERE THE SCHEDULE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE OFF-DUTY PD IN THE MORNINGS.

AND THEN, UM, OUR PRIVATE SECURITY IN THE AFTERNOONS AND THE EVENINGS, IT'S, UM, WE, WE DO NOT HAVE 24 7 SECURITY.

UM, IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY COST PROHIBITIVE TO HAVE THAT.

SO WE GEARED TOWARDS THE TIMES WHEN THE TENANTS ARE, ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS, UM, DETERMINING THE SCHEDULE.

WE, WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE OFF-DUTY PD TELL US THE DAYS AND THE HOURS THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE, AND THEY'RE TYPICALLY GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF HOURS A DAY.

AND THEN WE FILL IN WITH OUR PRIVATE SECURITY FORM, UM, TO PICK UP THE EXTRA HOURS.

SO WE KIND OF BUILD THE PRIVATE SECURITY FIRM HOURS AROUND THE AVAILABILITY OF THE OFF-DUTY PD.

OKAY.

AND YOU MENTIONED THAT IT IS A MOVING TARGET, SO I WAS WONDERING WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU HAD ANY SORT OF SCHEDULE CHANGE, UH, LIKE A, A MAJOR SHIFT IN THE SCHEDULING FOR THE SECURITY? HAS IT BEEN HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW FOR A WHILE, OR IS THAT RECENTLY CHANGED? SO WE, WE LOST ONE OF OUR GOOD OFFICERS ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, OFFICER DARIO VINCENT, UM, HE DID TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS FOR US.

AND SO THAT LEFT A HOLE IN THAT WHICH WE BACKFILLED WITH PRIVATE SECURITY.

UM, THE SCHEDULED CHANGES PROBABLY EVERY TWO WEEKS, UM, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON AVAILABILITY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS.

UH, THANK YOU MR. SKINNER.

WE WILL NOW PROCEED WITH, UM, BOARD MEMBER QUESTIONING FOR THE APPELLANT.

UH, I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER WITNESSES? NO OTHER WITNESSES.

OKAY.

NO, SIR.

UH, THEN WE WILL NOW PROCEED WITH BOARD MEMBER QUESTIONING FOR THE APPELLANT.

UM, FIRST ROUND, EVERYBODY GETS THREE MINUTES.

UH, MS. ALA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MS. WILLIS.

I JUST HAVE ONE.

I WANTED TO CLARIFY WHO WAS ACTUALLY SPEAKING.

WAS THAT THE PROPERTY MANAGER OR THAT WAS JUST TESTIFYING OR, YES, IT JUST GOT, WHAT'S HER TITLE? I'M THE PROPERTY, THE SENIOR PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THIS PORTFOLIO.

OKAY.

WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN? YOUR NAME? OH, SHAUNA PANO.

ALRIGHTY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I NEEDED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MS. WILLOW, UH, VICE CHAIR TORRES, I HAVE A QUESTION RECOGNIZED.

MS. PIERRE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THAT SCHEDULE OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOUR OFF DUTY, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, YOUR PRIVATE SECURITY, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXHIBIT HERE WITH, UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT SHOWS THE AAT CRIMES HAPPENING LITERALLY PROBABLY AFTER 9:00 PM SO YOU MENTIONED MOST OF THESE OFFICERS ARE EITHER AFTERNOON, MAYBE INTO THE NIGHT, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYONE WORKING ON A DAILY BASIS AFTER 9:00 PM SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THESE CRIMES ARE HAPPENING, PA NOT IN THE AFTERNOON, NOT IN THE LATE EVENING, BUT MAYBE VERY, VERY LATE.

YES.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON THE DAYS OF THE WEEK, SO FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, WE HAVE OFFICERS THERE TILL 11:00 PM TILL 11:00 PM YEAH.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU GUYS HAVE? IS IT A, IS IT A GOOD WORKING ONE? UM, I KNOW THAT YOU DEPEND ON THEM A LOT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO GO ON, YOU KNOW, FULLY PRIVATE BECAUSE OF THEIR AVAILABILITY.

RIGHT.

WE, WE HAVE A, A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE OFFICERS THAT COME TO US AND PICK UP HOURS AT THE PROPERTY.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WHERE IT'S, THEIR IMPACT HAS BEEN REALLY POSITIVE AND IT'S BEEN BENEFICIAL TO THE CENTER.

THE TENANTS LOVE IT.

I LOVE IT.

UM, IT GETS 'EM MORE COMFORTABLE WITH POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY'S BEEN MORE PROACTIVE IN CALLING THE POLICE WHEN THERE'S AN ISSUE.

UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT BACK AT, AT MY HOME OFFICE OFTEN ABOUT HOW WE CAN ADJUST THE SECURITY HOURS.

UM, I REALLY FEEL LIKE HAVING THE OFFICER, THE, THE OFF-DUTY PD IS BENEFICIAL AND I, AS MUCH AS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY LESS TO DO THE PRIVATE SECURITY, BUT, UM, YEAH.

HOW MANY TENANTS DO YOU HAVE? 19.

19 TENANTS.

WHAT'S THE LATEST ANY OF THEM ARE, IS OPEN, IS ANYONE OPEN LIKE 5:00 AM 3:00 AM 2:00 AM NO, THE DENTIST.

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I'M TRYING TO THINK.

I WAS JUST THERE LAST NIGHT ABOUT EIGHT O'CLOCK.

UM, EVERYBODY HAD CLOSED, THE SMOKE SHOP WAS OPEN UNTIL NINE.

THE LAUNDRYMAT WAS OPEN UNTIL NINE.

I'M NOT POSITIVE OF THE HOURS OF THE OKAY.

MARKET.

DO YOU HAVE A, A, A PARTY SALON THERE AS WELL? DID I SEE THAT? AGUILAR EVENTS? YES.

SO THEY TAKE UP ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET ON OUR SECOND FLOOR.

OKAY.

AND THEY ARE TYPICALLY, THEIR EVENTS ARE GONNA BE ON THE WEEKENDS, WEDDINGS, RAS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND HE ACTUALLY ALSO HIRES HIS OWN PRIVATE SECURITY GUARD FOR HIS EVENTS.

SO HOW LATE ARE THEY OPEN? UM, THEY WILL, I, I'M NOT SURE.

I WOULD IMAGINE NOT PAST 11 FOR A, FOR A WEDDING? YEAH, QUINCEANERA.

YEAH.

BUT YOU CANNOT CONFIRM THAT.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ACTIVITY ON THE SECURITY CAMERAS PAST 11 AT THAT PROPERTY.

OKAY.

YEAH, THAT'S YOUR TIME.

I KNOW PREVIOUSLY HE HAD HAD SOME ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD, AFTER THE EVENT WAS OVER, THEY WOULD BE, UM, WHAT WE CALL PARKING LOT PARTIES.

AND THEN THAT QUICKLY, WE QUICKLY STOPPED THAT.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, MR. ILLA, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THREE MINUTES? THANK CHAIR.

I DO HAVE A FEW.

UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I GUESS THIS, I DUNNO THIS QUESTION.

I GUESS THIS IS THE QUESTION FOR THE PROPERTY MANAGER.

UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

MY QUESTION WAS, I SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN THE CITY'S EXHIBIT OR YOUR EXHIBITS THAT YOUR PROPERTY VALUE ACCORDING TO THE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY VALUE ACCORDING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ABOUT 3.5 MILLION.

IS THAT ABOUT CORRECT? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.

OKAY.

WELL, I, I WILL SAY THAT I SAW THAT IN ONE OF THE EXHIBITS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE CITIES OR YOURS.

SO BASED ON THAT, IT'S ABOUT 7% THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SPENT ON, UM, WHAT APPEARS TO BE SECURITY, SOME FENCING, BENCH REMOVAL.

UM, WELL MY QUESTION REALLY IS OVER ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE, OR DO YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE BUDGETING OF HOW MUCH IS ALLOCATED FOR A PERCENTAGE BUDGET OF WHAT'S ALLOCATED FOR SECURITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? YES.

AND THEN WHAT IS THAT SET USUALLY AT, BESIDES THIS, UH, IS IT ABOUT 7% OR IS IT, IS IT HIGHER, LOWER BEFORE YOU HAD THE HABITUAL CRIMINAL, UM, DESIGNATION? SURE.

UM, PERCENTAGE WISE, I DON'T HAVE MY BUDGET IN FRONT OF ME.

UM, I KNOW WE'VE INCREASED SECURITY EXPENSES, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

UM, IN 2020 IT WAS 90,000.

2021, IT WAS 97,022 WAS 116,000.

LAST YEAR WE WENT, WE SPENT 148,000.

AND THIS YEAR WE'RE BUDGETED TO SPEND 168,000.

SO ROUGHLY IT'S A, IT SEEMS LIKE JUST, I JUST DID A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF 250,000 INTO THE 3.5 MILLION OF THE PROPERTY VALUE.

SO YOU'RE SPENDING ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT ON A 12 MONTH BASIS.

I WOULD.

SO IS THERE ANY, I GUESS WHERE I WANTED TO FOCUS ON WAS THE BARBED WIRED FENCE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE HERE IN THIS BOARD IS THAT BARBED WIRED FENCES ARE REALLY MORE OF AN ECONOMIC, UH, EFFICIENCY DECISION RATHER THAN A TRUE PREVENTATIVE MEASURE.

WAS THERE ANY INDIC, UH, ANY, DID YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT OR ANY PART OF THAT DECISION MAKING OF MAYBE DOING SOMETHING MORE THAN A BARBED WIRED FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, IF I CAN BE HONEST, I'M, I'M AGAINST BARBED WIRE.

I THINK IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT.

HOWEVER, IT WAS ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION, I BELIEVE, FROM, UH, MR. SKINNER'S PREDECESSOR.

AND SO WE INSTALLED IT AND IT DOES, THERE'S A, UH, TWO APARTMENT COMMUNITIES BEHIND US AND THERE'S A LOT OF JUMPING OF THE FENCE AND, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO, UM, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE, IF I COULD, I THINK TO CUT YOU OFF, JUST 'CAUSE MY TIME.

IS IT BARBED WIRE OR CHAIN LINK? LEMME MAKE SURE WE HAVE CHAIN LINK ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE BACK PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT SETS UP, SETS US, UM, NEXT TO CATFISH KING.

AND THEN ALONG THE, ABOUT FROM THE CELL TOWER BACK TO THE CORNER, UM, OF OUR, OUR PARCEL IS BARBED WIRE ON TOP OF, UM, BLOCK WALL.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY INDICATION OF MAYBE PUTTING A MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING PLUS, UH, MORE TALLER FENCE, ACTUALLY, OF THE BARBED WIRE? THAT'S YOUR TIME MR. CCHI FOR THE CROWN.

SORRY, CHAIR.

I HAVE IN RESPONSE TO MR. CILLA IN RESPONSE TO HIS PREVIOUS QUESTIONS.

YEAH, , UH, MR. CILLA, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE AS WELL, FOR, FOR COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE PURPOSES, UH, SECURITY COSTS ARE TYPICALLY NOT, UH, BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL MARKET VALUE.

THE PROPERTY, UH, THEY'RE BASED ON THE NET OPERATING

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INCOME OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, THE MAIN METRIC FOR COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, UH, IS A, IS A CAP RATE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY NOI OVER THE, UH, OVER THE MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO, UH, TYPICALLY SECURITY WOULD BE CALCULATED BASED ON, UH, BASED ON REVENUES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, NOT ON THE ENTIRE MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO I THINK THAT THE PERCENTAGE WOULDN'T BE 7%, IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE ANNUAL REVENUES OF THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN THE MARKET VALUE.

THANK YOU.

UM, MR. HAYES, YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT I HAVE ONE MORE.

'CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY WE WERE LOOKING AT ASSET VALUE INSTEAD OF REVENUES, BUT YOU JUST CLARIFIED THAT.

THANK YOU.

UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THE CITY'S EXHIBIT ADDRESSES THE SUGGESTION OR REQUIREMENT THAT YOU AS THE OWNERS EVICT OR NOT EVICT, BUT SOMEHOW OR OTHER GET RID OF HOMELESS PEOPLE.

IS THAT AN ONGOING PROBLEM FOR YOU? YES.

IT'S A DAILY PROBLEM.

MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING.

THE PERSPECTIVE HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.

THE HOMELESS ARE A HUGE ISSUE EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND PARTICULARLY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, MORE IMPORTANTLY THOUGH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY GET RID OF, UNFOCUS OUR, OUR ATTENTION ON WHAT SECURITY AND POLICE IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THINGS ILLEGALLY.

SO THE, THE DRUG DEALING, PROSTITUTION, THAT TYPE OF THING.

UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY MAIN FOCUS.

AND, BUT YES, THE HOMELESS IS A, A REALLY BIG ISSUE THERE.

AND LAST NIGHT I, I CALLED PD AND MY SECURITY GUARD, UM, OVER AND TO HAVE TO REMOVE TWO PEOPLE SLEEPING BEHIND THE BUILDING AND ANOTHER ONE LOITERING IN THE FRONT.

SO TO SUMMARIZE, YOU ARE AWARE OF, EXCUSE ME, THAT PROBLEM AND TAKING PROACTIVE MEASURES TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, GIVEN SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS YOU HAVE, UH, ON WHAT YOU CAN DO.

YES.

I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T JUST ARREST THEM FOR BEING THERE AND BEING HOMELESS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU MR. HAYES.

UH, MR. QUINT, THREE MINUTES OF QUESTIONS.

YES, SIR.

CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, MS. MS. PANERO, SO YOUR, YOUR ATTORNEY MENTIONED MANY TIMES THAT Y'ALL SPEND ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS AND I THINK I HEARD OVER FIVE YEARS.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO THAT'S ABOUT $50,000 A YEAR THAT YOU'RE SPENDING, UM, SPREAD OVER, YOU KNOW, 365 DAYS.

UM, SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT SO TO SPEAK.

UM, ARE THERE CAMERAS AT YOUR PROPERTY? YES.

HOW MANY CAMERAS? UH, WE'VE GOT THE SKY TOWER THAT HAS, UM, UH, TWO CAMERAS, ONE POINTS TOWARDS THE OKAY.

MARKET AND THE OTHER ONE POINTS UP THE FRONT OF THE SHOPS.

AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER CAMERA ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT CAN LOOK BOTH WAYS ON THE UPPER LANDING.

AND THEN I HAVE, UH, UH, THE OTHER CAMERA IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND IT CAN LOOK BOTH WAYS ON, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

SO YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE CAMERAS? YES.

UM, AND THIS, THIS CENTER IS QUITE LARGE.

HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THIS CENTER? 90, SORRY, DON'T HAVE MY RENT ROLL WITH ME, INCLUDING PARKING LOT.

I, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY RENT ROLL WITH ME.

IT'S, I BELIEVE THIS IS ACREAGE.

LOOKS LIKE IT IS, LOOKS LIKE IT'S 6 6 5 2 8 6, 6 0.65, TWO ACRES.

OKAY.

SO YOU'VE GOT FIVE CAMERAS FOR 6.25 ACRES.

UM, I, I FIND THAT'S QUITE INSUFFICIENT TO REALLY BE ABLE TO COVER IT.

UM, BUT THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS IT MONITORED 24 HOURS A DAY? YES.

OKAY.

AND RECORDED.

AND RECORDED IN MAY? YES IT IS.

OKAY.

AND HOW LONG WERE THOSE RECORDINGS KEPT FOR? I'LL HAVE TO CHECK.

UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE SET FOR 30 DAYS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO ONE LAST THOUGHT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, YOUR GENERAL LEDGER FOR, FOR WEEKS, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SECURITY THERE ARE SOME WEEKS WHERE YOU HAVE OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS FOR SIX HOURS FOR THE WEEK, EIGHT HOURS FOR THE WEEK.

ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES YOU CAN REACH OUT TO, SUCH AS A SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR OFF-DUTY SHERIFFS? UM, THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT HAS NOT BEEN RECOMMENDED TO ME AND I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THAT WAS AN OPTION.

WELL, I'M JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX TOO, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE HOURS THAT YOU REALLY NEED SECURITY, YOU DON'T HAVE THEM THERE.

THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTION FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU.

I'M DONE CHAIR.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

MR. QUINT.

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UH, MS. SHIN, THERE YOU ARE.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

AND MS. PIERRE KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH OFFICER JORDAN, UM, AND THAT SHE IS ALSO THE PERSON WHO LEADS YOUR CRIME WATCH MEETINGS.

UM, DOES SHE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU AND OR YOUR AT TENANTS AT THESE MEETINGS WHAT THEY CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO PREVENT CRIME? SHE DOES, YES.

AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? CALL, CALL, CALL, CALL EVERY TIME.

I KNOW PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED THAT THEY DON'T FEEL THEY'RE GETTING A RESPONSE OR THAT, YOU KNOW, A POLICE OFFICER ISN'T BEING DISPATCHED.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE, SHE SHARED WITH US THE IMPORTANCE OF GETTING IT LOCKED, THAT WE NEED TO GET THE CALLS LOGGED.

UM, AND THAT WHETHER WE THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA SHOW UP OR NOT, WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THE CALLS GOING IN.

SO THAT WAS OUR NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDATION.

THE OTHER IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE REALLY AWARE OF WHO'S OUT THERE.

UM, KIND OF GET THEIR DESCRIPTION IN CASE THEY HAVE THE SHARE THAT INFORMATION, UM, TO UTILIZE THEIR OWN SECURITY CAMERAS TO GET DESCRIPTIONS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE DOING THINGS THEY CAN BE DOING THAT THEY, THEY COULD SHARE, UM, WITH US OR WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, THEY DON'T, ONE OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS SHE HAD, AND I THINK THIS PERTAINED TO, YOU KNOW, THE SMOKE SHOP OR THE LAUNDROMAT IS FOR THOSE OWNERS TO BE MINDFUL OF PEOPLE LOITERING, ARE THEY, THEY'RE DOING LAUNDRY IF THEY'RE NOT, GET 'EM OUT OF THERE OR CALL THE POLICE IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE WITH THAT.

UM, SO SHE'S VERY PROACTIVE IN, UM, HER RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, REGARDING YOUR INTERACTION WITH YOUR, YOUR TENANTS AND THEIR LEASES, UM, THERE ARE KNOWN ITEMS THAT, UM, CAN, ARE KNOWN AS PARAPHERNALIA.

MM-HMM.

YEAH.

FOR CRIME, THE ITEM THEMSELVES MAY NOT BE ILLEGAL.

CORRECT.

BUT, UM, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR TENANTS REGARDING THE SELLING OF THOSE ITEMS AND HOW THAT CAN SOMETIMES INCREASE CRIME IN YOUR AREA? RIGHT.

EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS, UH, THEY HAD GONE OUT AND CHECKED ON THESE TENANTS AND CAME BACK WITH A LOT OF PHOTOS IN WHICH WE IMMEDIATELY NOTICED THEM, WHICH IS A, UM, UM, JUST KIND OF A DOCUMENT WE GIVE OUR LEAD, OUR TENANTS PRO, UM, THAT THEY, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE SELLING THAT STUFF.

UM, I RECEIVED NOTIFICATION THAT ONE OF THEM STILL HAD TOUR BOYS.

THEY'RE THE LITTLE SCRUBBERS AND APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, A SMOKE SHOP HAS NO REASON TO BE SELLING THOSE.

SO WE, AGAIN, I PUT HIM ON NOTICE AGAIN, UM, TO REMOVE THOSE.

AND AFTER THIS MEETING, I'LL BE HEADING OVER THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT HE DID.

OKAY.

SO WHEN YOU PUT SOMEONE ON NOTICE FOR THOSE ITEMS, WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE AN INITIAL SO THEIR PROCESS, IT'S BASICALLY THE LANDLORD'S NOTICE TO PERFORM CONDITIONS.

MM-HMM.

.

AND THE CONDITION IS DON'T BE DOING ANYTHING THAT COULD, UM, BE USED ILLEGALLY.

SO WE KIND OF HAVE, WE HAVE THE LEASE TO BACK US UP WITH THAT.

I HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE PUSH BACK OR CHALLENGE ME.

UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT KEEPING ON TOP OF THEM.

MM-HMM.

BECAUSE THEY MAY TAKE IT OUT FOR A WEEK, BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT BRINGING THEM BACK IN AGAIN.

SO HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO TERMINATE ELISE WITH ANYONE DUE TO THESE NOTIFICATIONS? NOT YET.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MS. SHIN.

UM, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING YOUR ANSWERS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES OFFICERS WILL COME AND THEY, AND THEY WORK FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS OR THEY JUST TELL YOU THEY DON'T WANNA WORK AT THIS PROPERTY.

UM, DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS MANAGE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE CITY? NOT IN DALLAS, NO.

I HAVE SAN ANTONIO WOULD BE THE CLOSEST CITY.

OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES WITH OFFICERS AT YOUR OTHER PROPERTIES IN SAN ANTONIO OR IS THERE SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY? UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY? YES.

OKAY.

UM, IN SAN ANTONIO, I DON'T HAVE SECURITY.

MY BIGGEST PROBLEM THERE ON THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS, UM, I HAVE A WONDERFUL PORTER SERVICE THAT IS THERE DAILY AND JUST CLEANS UP.

AND SAME WITH REDBIRD.

WE HAVE DAILY, DAILY PORTING SERVICE TO CLEAN ANYTHING UP.

UM, I THINK SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY IS THE LOCATION.

I THINK THE LOCATION IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOOD.

IT'S IN A, IN A AREA WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS, YOU'VE GOT LOTS OF OTHER RETAIL ENTERTAINMENT, WHATEVER THAT MAY MEAN.

AND THE HOTELS ACROSS THE STREET ARE NOT DOING US ANY FAVORS RIGHT NOW EITHER.

UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST SORT OF THIS, THIS AREA THAT, UM, NEEDS A LOT MORE ATTENTION, YOU KNOW, BY THE, BY THE, UM, BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, AND, UH, UH, SHE ANTICIPATED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS.

UM, WHAT IS THE, UH, GROSS ANNUAL REVENUE JUST IN ROUND NUMBERS? REVENUE, THE PROPERTY? YEAH.

UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME.

OKAY.

I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE IT.

I JUST, YEAH, I, I MEAN,

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DO YOU BELIEVE SO I'VE GOT LIKE 134 PROPERTIES AT MY OWN .

YEAH.

DO, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT, THAT, UM, THE OWNERS ARE SPENDING A REASONABLE PERCENTAGE OF THAT REVENUE ON SECURITY? YES, I DO.

YES, I DO.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ABOUT, UH, 30% VACANT SUITES.

OKAY.

AND JUST ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF WHAT THE CITY IS GONNA TALK ABOUT, I SEE THAT IN THE CITY'S, UH, EXHIBITS, THERE WAS A PRIOR HABITUAL CRIMINAL PROPERTY, UM, AGREEMENT.

RIGHT.

UM, HAS THE OWNER COMPLIED WITH THE TERMS OF THAT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY? SO THAT'S INTERESTING.

I WAS READING SOME OF THIS, UM, UH, EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE, UM, WITH, WITH MR. SKINNER'S, UH, PREDECESSOR.

AND, UM, THERE REALLY, THERE WASN'T AN ACTUAL DESIGNATION.

THERE WAS A PRESUMPTION AND THEN THERE WAS SOME MEETINGS AND AND WHATNOT.

UM, IT WAS, THEY, THEY DID NOT ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT AND IN HIS PREDECESSOR'S WORDS THAT IT WOULD NOT, BY NOT ENTERING IN AN AGREEMENT, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, FIXING THINGS OUT, CLEANING THINGS UP, IT WOULD NOT, UM, RESULT IN AN HCP DESIGNATION.

AND THE REASON WAS THAT MANAGEMENT HAD ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THE MAJORITY OF THE MEASURES INDICATED IN THE AGREEMENT, AND IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF SECURITY AND TENANTS ON THE PROPERTY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

UM, AND THOSE, JUST TO, TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED, UM, THE ITEMS THAT WERE IN THAT ORIGINAL PROPOSED UNSIGNED AGREEMENT.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH AGAIN FOR TWO MINUTE ROUND.

MS. AYALA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MS. WILLIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I DON'T AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, VICE CHAIR TORRES, DO YOU HAVE ANY TWO MINUTES OF QUESTIONS? NO, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCE? I THINK, UM, IT WOULD BE FAIR TO ASK, WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCE OF TODAY RESULTING IN A DESIGNATION OF, UH, HABITUAL CRIMINAL CRIME? IT'D BE DEVASTATING.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE 30% VACANCY, RIGHT, RIGHT