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GOOD EVENING.

TODAY IS

[Community Police Oversight Board on March 12, 2024.]

MARCH 12TH, 2024, AND THIS IS THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT MEETING.

I AM JOSE RIVAS, THE VICE CHAIR, ALSO DISTRICT SEVEN.

UH, WE WILL COMMENCE THE MEETING, WE'RE GONNA CALL IT TO ORDER AT 5:37 PM BEFORE I GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE ONLINE, UH, GUESTS THAT ARE HERE, PUBLIC SPEAKERS, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, ON OUR RULES OF DECORUM, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE ADDRESS THEM TO ME, THE CHAIR, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.

ALSO, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND DISTRICT SO THAT, UH, OUR, OUR STAFF CAN, UH, PUT THE MINUTES TOGETHER AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, WELCOME OUR NEW, UH, ? PERFECT.

OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON.

UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, IS MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS, DOLORES PHILLIPS.

ADDRESS, PO BOX 5 3 0 2 3 6 GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 3.

I EMAILED YOU SEVERAL HANDOUTS.

I ALSO EMAILED YOU FIVE HUNDRED AND FIVE FIFTY ONE PAGES OF THE CRIMINAL RICO ACT.

18 USC 1961 THROUGH 1968 IS A, IT IS A MANUAL FOR FEDERAL PROSECUTORS.

ALSO, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T PRINT ALL OF THE PAGES, BUT YOU HAVE FIVE PAGES, FOUR OR FIVE PAGES.

IT TELLS YOU ABOUT THE PREFACE AND HOW AND WHY THE RICO ACT WAS, WAS IMPLEMENTED.

IT SAYS, RICO'S DEFINITION OF ENTERPRISE BROADLY ENCOMPASSES MANY TYPES OF ENTERPRISE.

RICO ENTERPRISE MAY CONSIST OF AN ASSOCIATION IN FACT, OF LEGAL ENTITIES, AS WELL AS AN ASSOCIATION OF LEGAL ENTITIES AND INDIVIDUALS.

IT SAYS THE SUPREME COURT AND NUMEROUS LOWER COURTS HAVE HELD THAT AN ASSOCIATION.

IN FACT, ENTERPRISE IS PROVEN BY EVIDENCE OF AN ONGOING ORGANIZATION AND BY EVIDENCE THAT THE VARIOUS ASSOCIATES OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNCTION AS A CONTINUING UNIT.

PROOF OF SUCH AN ENTERPRISE IS NOT DEFEATED, MERELY BECAUSE THERE IS A GAP IN ITS ACTIVITY OR A CHANGE IN ITS MEMBERSHIP.

OCTOBER 25TH, 2013, I WAS AT A MEETING, 1400 SOUTH LAMAR.

IT WAS PREARRANGED BY MAYOR ROLLINS TWO TO THREE WEEKS PRIOR.

IN THAT MEETING, TWO HOURS OF VIDEO WAS ERASED ALSO.

COURT DOCUMENTS WERE INTERCEPTED.

I WAS TAKEN TO GREEN OAKS.

THE PAPERS STATE THAT I VOLUNTARILY WENT PRIOR TO GOING TO 1400 SOUTH LAMAR.

I DROVE FROM UNT DALLAS, WHERE I WAS A STUDENT WITH A 3.0.

I GRADUATED LESS THAN WHAT, EIGHT WEEKS LATER, DECEMBER, 2013.

WITH THAT SAME 3.0.

I NEED YOU TO KNOW THAT TWO HOURS OF VIDEO WAS RELEASED, WAS ERASED FROM THAT MEETING ALSO, CORPORAL NER IS READY TO TESTIFY.

NO OFFICERS WHO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS IS GOING TO LIE UNDER OATH.

THE COVERUP IS ACTING AS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE IN ITSELF, IN, IN VIOLATION OF THE CRIMINAL RICO ACT, 18 USC 1961 THROUGH 1968.

ALSO, MY DAD, WHO WAS AN INCAPACITATED.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN YOUR DAD CRY? THE MAN, NOT THE WOMAN, NOT YOUR MOTHER.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN YOUR DAD CRY? HE COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN UP AND WALKED AWAY IF HE WANTED TO.

IEGE RETALIATION AND DELIBERATE NEGLIGENCE.

THIS FABRICATED POLICE REPORT WAS USED BEHIND THE SCENES WITH A DALLAS COUNTY COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY AD LITEM, WHO WAS USED TO INFLICT MORE NEGLIGENCE BECAUSE OF RETALIATION AND ME SPEAKING TO POLICE CLEAR MY NAME FROM THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT, THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT STATES THAT I USED HANDS AND FEETS AS WEAPONS.

TWO HOURS OF VIDEO WAS ERASED TO PROTECT THE OFFICER AND NOT TO INCRIMINATE DPD.

NO VIDEO COULD EVER BE RELEASED OF ME USING HANDS AND FEET AS WEAPONS.

THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

WE, WE, WE HAVE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ROLL CALL.

OKAY.

DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO.

JONATHAN MAPLES.

DISTRICT TWO PRESENT.

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THANK YOU.

DISTRICT THREE.

UH, WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU.

MR. HIGGINS.

THERE YOU GO.

BOBBY HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE FURTHER.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE.

OKAY.

HEY, BRIAN, WE CAN, WE SEE YOU SPEAKING, BUT WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? THERE YOU GO.

YEP, WE HEAR YOU NOW.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MIC MR. BROWN.

DISTRICT SIX.

DERRICK GRAM, DISTRICT SIX.

THANK YOU, SIR.

DISTRICT EIGHT, SUBSTITUTE MR. LANDARD, DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT NINE.

ALLISON GRANTER ALLEN FOR DISTRICT NINE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

DISTRICT 11, DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12 PRESENT.

DISTRICT 13, BABY KITNER.

DISTRICT 13 PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14, DISTRICT 14.

BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT DISTRICT AND DISTRICT 15.

THE CHAIR IS, UH, ABSENT TODAY.

UM, HE'LL BE BACK AT, UH, NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.

OKAY.

SO THE NEXT STEP IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

IF I COULD HAVE EVERYONE REVIEW THE MINUTES, MAKE ANY ADMIN CORRECTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

UM, OH, WE DO HAVE CORRECTED MINUTES.

OKAY.

YEP.

THREE.

MR. CHAIR, QUESTION? YES, SIR.

FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE, WHO ARE REMOTE, HOW ARE WE ACCESSING THE MINUTES? MR. MR. CHAIR? CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? STANDBY, UH, MR. CHAIR, THE, UH, REVISED MINUTES WERE EMAILED.

THANK YOU.

MR. HIGGINS.

THE, THE, THE REVISED, UH, MINUTES WERE EMAILED TO YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNT.

UH, WERE THEY EMAILED TO THE C UH, CPOB ACCOUNT OR TO OUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT? UH, THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE ON FILE THAT, THAT WE ALL HAVE ON FILE, THEY SHOULD HAVE WENT OUT TO THE EMAILS THAT REGULARLY GET THE EMAILS WHEN WE SEND OUT TO THE ENTIRE BOARD.

UM, SO I'M SORRY, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I, I THINK THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND CHECK.

OF COURSE, MR. HIGGINS.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

AND THEY, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN SENT AT FIVE O'CLOCK, JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE.

SO IF YOU HADN'T CHECKED FOR THOSE OF YOU AT HOME, MR. CLARK JUST PASSED THAT THE REVISED MINUTES WERE SENT TO YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNTS AT 5:00 PM TODAY.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE REVISED MINUTES? DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.

I MOVED TO APPROVE THE REVISED MINUTES.

IS THERE A SECOND? JOHN MAPLE SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING THAT HAVE BEEN REVISED.

OKAY.

FIRST ACTION ITEM UP ON FOR TONIGHT IS AN UPDATE ON THE DILL LANE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FROM MAJOR ALANISE AND INTERIM DIRECTOR ELAINE CHANDLER.

OH, SORRY.

WE'VE GOTTA TAKE A VOTE ON THE, UH, ON THE MINUTES.

CAN I GET A VOTE TO APPROVE, UH, THE MOVE TO SECONDED? AYE.

WEARABLE VOTE? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR, ARE ARE THERE ANY NAYS FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE, THE MINUTES?

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OKAY.

SEEING NONE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

NEXT STEP IS DONELLE LANE INVESTIGATION WITH MAJOR ESE AND DIRECTOR ELAINE CHANDLER AND I WILL DEFER TO MAJOR ESE FOR AN UPDATE.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, ARE YOU THERE? YES, MA'AM.

I CAN SEE YOU AND HEAR YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

I AM HERE.

UM, SO REGARDING THE MR. LANE INVESTIGATION, THE HEARING, UH, WAS SET TODAY FOR DISCIPLINE IN THE DISCIPLINE PHASE, AND IT WAS HEARD BY ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CHIEFS THAT IS OVER THE PATROL BUREAU.

AND SO THAT WAS CONDUCTED TODAY AND DISCIPLINE WAS RENDERED.

THERE WAS DISCIPLINE RENDERED? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

UM, ARE, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SHARE WHAT THAT WAS? UH, I BELIEVE SO.

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A WRITTEN REPRIMAND WAS ISSUED FOR ALL FOUR OFFICERS IN ADDITION TO, UM, HAVING THEM ATTEND TRAINING.

OKAY.

SPECIFICALLY, WHAT TRAINING ARE THEY GONNA GO TO? UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THE BLOCK OF INSTRUCTION, BUT I KNOW THAT IT WOULD HAVE SOME SENSITIVITY, UM, NEXUS TO IT.

BUT THE SPECIFIC BLOCK OF INSTRUCTION THAT WILL BE PROVIDED OR WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TO SIT IN ON, I DO NOT KNOW.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ACADEMY WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ASSISTANT CHIEF TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT DIRECTION HE'S WANTING TO GO IN AND WHAT TRAINING THOSE OFFICERS ARE TO ATTEND.

OKAY, MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

STAND BY JUST ONE MOMENT.

OKAY.

BOARD MEMBERS, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

ANYONE? CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN? I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES.

UM, THIS IS D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12, MAJOR ALLEN EAST ON.

THANK YOU FOR BEING, YOU'RE STILL ON THE LINE, RIGHT? YOU'RE STILL WITH US? CORRECT.

OKAY.

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

SO, UM, THE QUESTION I ASKED BACK IN AUGUST, AND I REPEATED THAT QUESTION, UM, LAST MONTH, AND I KEEP REPEATING IT BECAUSE THIS ALL SEEMS TO GO TO THE FACT THAT THE OFFICERS, UM, THAT WERE FIRST ON THE SCENE, THAT WERE FIRST, THAT, UH, MR. LANE FIRST ASKED THEM TO BE AWARE OF THE LAW.

THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE LAW.

AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, OKAY, WHAT DO OFFICERS DO WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE UNAWARE OF THE LAW? WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR THEM TO CHECK? WHAT IS THE LAW? AND I'D ASK FOR THE PROCEDURE.

AND WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN ANSWER TO THAT.

THANK YOU.

SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

SO REGARDING, TO GET A SPECIFIC, UM, REQUEST ON HOW THE DEPARTMENT WOULD HANDLE SOMETHING, IF WE DON'T KNOW OR ARE NOT CLEAR WITH A CERTAIN LAW THAT'S OUT THERE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THEY CAN SPEAK ON A, AS A WHOLE FOR THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.

AS FAR AS OFFICERS THEMSELVES, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN INDIVIDUAL RESPONSE ON WHAT STEPS THEY WOULD TAKE TO RESEARCH A CERTAIN LAW THAT THEY MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH.

UM, OKAY.

THANK MR. CHAIRMAN.

CAN I ASK MAJOR ALANIS ANOTHER QUESTION ON THAT? OKAY.

SO MAJOR ALANIS, THE QUESTION I HAD BROUGHT BEFORE, UH, AND ASKED YOU WAS, I WAS TOLD INFORMALLY BY A, UM, CITY OF DALLAS OFFICER THAT THE FASTEST PROCEDURE WOULD BE FOR THAT OFFICER TO CALL THE JAIL BECAUSE THE JAIL KNOWS, UM, HAS EASY ACCESS TO ALL THE, ALL THE LAWS.

IS THAT A PROCEDURE? HOW ARE OFFICERS TRAINED? AND THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASKED.

DO OFFICERS KNOW HOW TO FIND OUT? I FOUND OUT LESS THAN 90 SECONDS WITH A GOOGLE SEARCH THAT IT WAS A LAW IN TEXAS.

SO I'M STILL QUESTIONING THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, WHAT, EIGHT, NINE MONTHS? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOREVER AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE WHEN AN OFFICER IS TOLD BY A POLITE CITIZEN, A RESIDENT OF DALLAS THAT SAYS, NO, THERE'S A LAW ABOUT THIS.

WE

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STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GET THAT FOR US MAJOR ESE.

OKAY.

SO AGAIN, JUST SO THAT I CAN CLARIFY, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT AN OFFICER'S ABLE TO UTILIZE IF THEY ARE RESEARCHING A CERTAIN LAW.

THE DESCRIPTION THAT YOU JUST GAVE REGARDING AN OFFICER CONTACTING THE JAIL AND SPEAKING TO A SUPERVISOR THERE.

YES.

THAT IS AN OPTION THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT ON WHAT EXACTLY THE TRAINING GOES ON.

IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION ON RESEARCHING THAT, AGAIN, I WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU A RESPONSE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I HAVE MAJOR ALANISE.

UH, I JUST HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT EACH OF THE FOUR OFFICERS GOT THE SAME DISCIPLINE THAT IS A WRITTEN REPRIMAND? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND CAN YOU TELL US AT WHAT LEVEL IN, IN TERMS, DID IT GO ALL THE WAY TO CHIEF GARCIA OR WAS IT UNDER ONE OF THE, UH, DEPUTY CHIEFS THAT MADE THAT DECISION? SO IT WAS NOT CHIEF GARCIA AND IT WAS NOT A DEPUTY CHIEF.

IT WAS AN ASSISTANT CHIEF AT AN ASSISTANT CHIEF LEVEL.

AND THE, THE, THAT FORM OF DISCIPLINE IS CONSIDERED A FORMAL FORM OF DISCIPLINE.

AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, DOES THIS END THE MATTER AS FAR AS, UM, THE, UM, DPT IS CONCERNED, OR IS THERE POTENTIAL FOR AN APPEAL BY THE OFFICER? WHERE ARE WE WITHIN YOUR FRAMEWORK? SHOULD THE OFFICERS CHOOSE TO APPEAL THAT DISCIPLINE? THEY ARE AFFORDED THOSE RIGHTS TO DO SO.

AND WHERE WOULD THAT APPEAL GO? THAT APPEAL WOULD THEN GO BEFORE CHIEF GARCIA.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.

DISTRICT 14.

GO AHEAD, MR. BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

UH, MAJOR ESE, UH, NOW THAT DISCIPLINE HAS BEEN RENDERED, UM, WILL DPD BE DOING ANYTHING FOR MR. LANE? BY THAT, UH, I MEAN, WILL HE BE RECEIVING AN APOLOGY FROM ANYONE OR ANY OTHER COMMUNICATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT? SO, SO AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION GOES, HE WILL BE RECEIVING A LETTER FROM OUR OFFICE, UH, WHEN WE CONCLUDE OUR INVESTIGATIONS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO SEND OUT TO OUR, UH, RESIDENTS.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CONTENTS OF THAT MESSAGE WILL BE? I WORK WITH MY STAFF ON WHAT IS SENT OUT ON THAT.

I, OKAY.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

OKAY.

D WADSWORTH DISTRICT, UH, 12.

OKAY.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MAJOR ESE, BECAUSE INITIALLY, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER BACK TO LAST SUMMER, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DECLINED TO ACCEPT, UH, FOR FURTHER INVE INVESTIGATION, THE COMPLAINT OF MR. LANE.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? I REMEMBER THAT.

OKAY.

SO IF, UM, IED DID NOT SEE THAT IT WAS A COMPLAINT, AND NOW WE SEE THE OFFICERS INVOLVED, WERE TOLD THAT THEY ARE BEING REPRIMANDED, WHAT ARE THE CHANGES WITHIN IED TO LOOK AT THESE TYPE OF COMPLAINTS IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT? SO THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS A VIDEO THAT WAS MISSED IN IAD AND THAT SITUATION HAS BEEN HANDLED HERE IN MY OFFICE.

OKAY.

AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS LANE CASE, AS I JUST SAID, IT WAS IN, IT WAS INVESTIGATED OR KICKED BACK TO, I GUESS IED PICKED IT BACK UP.

UH, WE WERE GONNA DO OUR OWN INVESTIGATION THEN YOU PICKED IT BACK UP.

BUT THE, UM, MEMO THAT WE GOT FROM OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR LAST LAST MONTH SAID THAT THE COMPLAINT REVIEW PROCESS SAID THAT UNLESS YOU HAD DONE A FULL INVESTIGATION, THAT WE WERE INELIGIBLE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE EXTERNAL COMPLAINT WORKFLOW OF NO INVESTIGATION, SUBCLASS GENERAL DEFINITIONS, WHICH IS IN OUR PACKET, IT SAYS, IT IS THE POLICY OF THE DEPARTMENT TO ACCEPT AND INVESTIGATE ALL COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT OR WRONGFUL WRONGDOING FROM ANY CITIZEN AS PRESCRIBED BY STATE LAW AND DEPARTMENT POLICY COMPLAINTS ARE HANDLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 6 14 0 2 1 6 14 0 2 3 AS INTERPRETED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.

A NO INVESTIGATION NUMBER IS ASSIGNED TO INFORMATION RECEIVED IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION THAT DOES NOT MEET THE GUIDELINES FOR A FURTHER FULL INVESTIGATION.

SO WHEN I READ THIS, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND

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HOW IED IS ASKED OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR TO GET AN OPINION ON THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T INVESTIGATE SOMETHING YOU HAVE INITIALLY NOT INVESTIGATED.

MR. CHAIR IS, IS THERE A QUESTION IN THERE FOR ME? YEAH, I CANNOT UNDERSTAND.

EXPLAIN IT TO ME.

BOARD MEMBER.

YEAH.

SO IF YOU'RE ASKING YEAH, I'M ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN IT, PLEASE.

OKAY.

SO IF YOU'RE WANTING CLARIFICATION ON THE ORDINANCE, THEN I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE INTERPRETATION ON WHEN AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION CAN BE CONDUCTED, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE I REFER TO, TO GET AN INTERPRETATION ON THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT WAS WRITTEN.

SO YES, IT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO ME.

AND THE WAY THAT I INTERPRETED ALSO IS THAT THE BOARD IS ABLE TO CONDUCT A FORMAL INVESTIGATION ONCE IAD HAS CONDUCTED AN INVESTIGATION.

UM, AND I WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THAT.

BUT AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER THE BOARD TO SPEAK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR AN INTERPRETATION ON THE CITY ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU.

MAJOR ALANIS.

IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MAJOR, IF I CAN.

YES, MA'AM.

FLOOR IS YOUR ALLEN FOR DISTRICT NINE.

MR. ALANISE, UH, BOARD MEMBER WADSWORTH JUST READ THAT IT IS THE POLICY OF IA TO INVESTIGATE EVERY CLAIM OF MISCONDUCT MADE BY A CITIZEN OR A RESIDENT OF DALLAS.

SO HOW DO WE HAVE A BUNCH OF NO INVESTIGATION NI CLAIMS? IS, IS IA NOT DOING THAT OR IS THERE SORT OF A, A DIFFERENCE IN DEFINITION HERE? OKAY.

SO WHEN WE ACCEPT THE COMPLAINT HERE, MAJOR ALLEN, REAL QUICK, IF I MAY JUST REAL QUICK, I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.

UM, SOME OF THESE LET, LET'S STAY ON THE AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS INVESTIGATION? BECAUSE WHAT WE CAN DO IS, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION FOR LATER ON IN THE AGENDA WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR INVESTIGATIONS, THAT STATE NO, IAD INVESTIGATIONS DOES THAT, IS THAT OKAY? YOU CHERYL, RESERVE THAT FOR LATER.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MR. HIGGINS, ANY QUESTIONS? I AM GOOD.

OKAY.

I WAS ON MR. MR BA QUESTION.

OKAY.

ANYONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE YEAH, I, I I HAVE QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT.

DISTRICT TWO HAS THE FLOOR.

JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.

UM, SO IN LAYMAN'S TERM TO THE, TO THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR DPD, THEY GOT WRITTEN UP, CORRECT.

RECEIVED A WRITTEN REPRIMAND? YES.

OKAY.

THEY RECEIVED A WRITTEN REPRIMAND.

AND I, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE LEVELS OF THAT ARE.

IF, IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT WITH ME.

AND SO THEY ALSO WERE REFERRED TO SENSITIVITY TRAINING, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

AND, AND YOU CAN'T SHARE WITH THAT, OR YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SENSITIVITY TRAINING LOOKS LIKE, CORRECT? I DO NOT.

OKAY.

SO THE WRITEUP WILL BE A PART OF THEIR FILE.

IT'LL GO INTO THEIR FILE, CORRECT? IT WILL BE ON THEIR CONCISE ID RESUME? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

AND A LETTER WILL COME FROM YOUR OFFICE, BUT YOU CAN'T SHARE WITH US WHETHER THAT LETTER WILL BE AN APOLOGY OR IF THE POLICE CHIEF WILL EXTEND AN APOLOGY FOR THIS DISABLED VETERAN? I CANNOT SPEAK FOR CHIEF GARCIA.

OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT YOUR OFFICE? AGAIN, I'LL WORK WITH MY STAFF REGARDING THAT LETTER.

DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING LASTS? I DO NOT, SIR, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT TRAINING THEY WILL BE SUBJECTED TO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, I'LL, I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I'LL HAVE SOME MORE STATEMENTS AND QUESTIONS LATER ON, BUT JUST KNOW THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH.

ALRIGHT, DISTRICT SIX.

ANY QUESTIONS? DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE LANDERS, ANY QUESTIONS?

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NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

OH, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FOUR.

HOLD ON.

HOLD ON.

DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.

ANY QUESTIONS? MA'AM? I THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT, MOVING ON.

APOLOGIES.

UH, MOVING ON TO, UH, ITEM THREE B, OUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA, DIRECTOR CHANDLER.

YES.

UM, ON MARCH 1ST, I HAD A MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA.

UH, DURING THAT MEETING, THE TOPICS DISCUSSED INCLUDED THE CITY OF DALLAS'S CHASE POLICY AND, UH, HIS THOUGHTS ON THAT POLICY.

UM, CHIEF GARCIA DID STATE THAT HE HAD CONCERNS, UM, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

UM, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE LETTER FROM THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED, UH, TO HIM, WHICH WAS, UH, SENT THE NEXT DAY.

UH, THEN WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UM, LET'S SEE, THE MEETING THAT WAS COMING, UM, FOR MARCH.

UH, CHIEF GARCIA WAS FIRST INVITED TO COME WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, UM, DIVISION TO DISCUSS THEIR ACTIONS OR THEIR INITIATIVES.

UM, IT WAS THEN LATER, UH, DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR HIM TO ATTEND THE APRIL MEETING BECAUSE IT IS SPRING BREAK.

THE CHAIR WAS NOT AVAILABLE AND, UM, THERE MAY BE MORE PARTICIPATION DURING THE APRIL MEETING.

AND THAT WAS THE CONCLUSION OF OUR MEETING FOR THE SUBSTANCE BOARD MEMBERS HERE AND ONLINE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WE DO HAVE ONE.

DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR FLOOR JUDGE, MA'AM.

MS. CHANDLER? I DID HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT WERE THE CONCERNS THAT THE CHIEF EXPRESSED? UH, HE DIDN'T GO INTO DETAIL.

THE QUESTION WAS A QUESTION THAT I POSED.

UM, JUST IF HE HAD CONCERNS AND HE EXPRESSED THAT HE DID HAVE CONCERNS.

UM, BUT THERE WERE LIMITATIONS DUE TO STATE LAW.

UM, SO THAT WAS A MAJORITY OF THE CONVERSATION.

I'M SORRY, I, I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR IN YOUR ANSWER.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.

THE CONVERSATION WAS REGARDING THE, UH, CHASE POLICY AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UH, DPDI ASKED IF HE HAD ANY CONCERNS GIVEN, UM, NEWS REPORTS REGARDING CHASE'S IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

CHIEF GARCIA STATED THAT HE DID HAVE CONCERNS AND, UM, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE LIMITATIONS BASED OFF OF STATE LAW, AND THAT WAS THE CONCLUSION OF THAT DISCUSSION.

BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE, ANY QUE OH, MR. MR. HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE HIGGINS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR.

NO, MY QUESTION WAS, UH, UH, UH, THE, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL REQUESTS FROM THIS BOARD SINCE I'VE BECOME A MEMBER.

I THINK THIS IS MY FOURTH, UH, BOARD MEETING.

UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE MADE OVER THAT TIME, AND I DON'T SEE ANY FOLLOW UP OR ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN STATED ABOUT THOSE REQUESTS.

UM, NUMBER ONE, WE REQUESTED, UH, TO SEE IF, UH, SOMEONE FROM IAD COULD ACTUALLY COME AND PRESENT IN A PUBLIC FORUM ABOUT THE IED PROCESS.

UH, THE GENERAL ORDERS PLUS THE, THE, THE, THE, THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

THERE, THERE WAS THAT I, I DON'T WANT TO DEF DEFER US TOO FAR AWAY FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR AGENDA CHAIR, BUT I DO WANNA BRING THIS UP.

AND THIS IS MY THIRD MEETING, UH, BRINGING THIS UP AND THAT WE ASKED FOR THAT.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE CAN COME TO THE DPD HEADQUARTERS TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE IN A FORM THAT IT WILL BE RECORDED AND CAN BE MADE PUBLIC FOR THE PEOPLE TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT OVERSIGHT IS ABOUT.

IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE POLICE ARE DOING.

UM, SO THAT REQUEST HAS NEVER BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, UPDATED ON, UM, DID YOU GUYS DISCUSS THAT? THAT'S ONE QUESTION.

UH, THE, THE OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT, UH, BEFORE YOU BECAME DIRECTOR, THERE WERE SEVERAL DATA REQUESTS

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FROM, UH, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT TO DPD TO CHIEF GARCIA.

UM, ONE QUITE EXTENSIVE DATA REQUEST THAT WAS ASKED FOR FROM DIRECTOR MCCLARY NOT TOO LONG BEFORE, UM, SHE WAS, UH, SHE WAS, SHE LEFT, UH, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SPOKEN ON.

UM, THERE WERE MEETINGS, UH, WITH DPD, UH, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT AND LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE AND DALLAS ACTION, WHICH IS MY ORGANIZATION.

UH, THERE WERE MEETINGS ABOUT GETTING A REPRESENTATIVE THERE TO, TO DO THESE DATA REQUESTS.

AND I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT THIS BOARD HAS EXISTED, DPD HAS NEVER HONORED ONE DATA REQUEST FROM THIS BOARD OR THE OFFICE.

AND SO, UM, I I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, LIKE, HOW DO YOU COME ABOUT YOUR AGENDA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH, UH, CHIEF GARCIA? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY PRIMARILY OF CONCERN FOR SOME OF US ON THE BOARD NEVER MAKE IT TO THAT MEETING.

AND, AND SO I'M, I'M WONDERING HOW YOU, HOW YOU DO THAT AND HOW DO WE GET SOME ANSWERS FOR SOME LONGSTANDING PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, WITH, UH, TRANSPARENCY, OPENNESS AND, AND, UM, WITH DPD? THANK YOU MR. HIGGINS.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO, TO OFFER TO YOU REAL QUICK IS, UM, UM, IF YOU WOULD DOCUMENT WHAT YOU'VE REQUESTED, RIGHT? YES.

UM, DOCUMENT IT, SEND IT TO MYSELF AND THE CHAIR.

OKAY.

AND WE WILL COORDINATE WITH, UH, THE DIRECTOR TO GET THOSE ANSWERED.

THANK YOU.

SOUND GOOD? THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE B? MONTHLY MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA? CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN, UM, D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12? I HAD A QUESTION FOR OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR.

USUALLY THESE MEETINGS, WELL, THEY ALWAYS HAVE, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD IN 19, I JOINED THE BOARD IN OCTOBER OF 2019, UM, THAT WE HAD THE CHAIRMAN OR THE VICE CHAIRMAN IN ATTENDANCE WITH OUR DIRECTOR IN THE POLICE CHIEF.

WHAT HAPPENED THIS MONTH? , WE STILL HAVE THOSE MEETINGS.

UM, THERE ARE TWO MEETINGS.

THERE'S A MEETING WITH, UH, THE CHIEF AND MYSELF, AND THEN THERE'S A MEETING ALSO WITH THE CHAIR, THE CHIEF, AND MYSELF.

AND WHEN WILL THAT ONE BE HAPPENING? WILL WE HAVE ONE THIS MONTH? UH, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.

OKAY.

BUT, UM, I'M SURE THERE'S ONE ON THE CALENDAR FOR THIS MONTH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON ITEM THREE B? OKAY.

MR. HIGGINS? .

I'M ROUND TWO.

SORRY.

ROUND TWO, SIR.

IT'S ALL GOOD.

YEAH.

ALL GOOD.

ROUND TWO.

SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UH, GETTING YOUR KEYS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THOSE REQUESTS DOCUMENTED.

UH, BUT I, I DO THINK IT, IT IS FAIR THAT THE, THE INTERIM INTERIM DIRECTOR GIVE US AN ANSWER AS TO HOW SHE COMES UP WITH THE AGENDA FOR WHAT SHE DISCUSSED WITH THE CHIEF IN THESE MEETINGS.

UM, THE AGENDA FOR THE MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA AND MYSELF IS REALLY JUST BASED OFF OF TOPICS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN OUR OFFICE IN OCPO.

THE MEETING BETWEEN CHIEF GARCIA AND MYSELF ARE TO DISCUSS OCPO, UM, CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.

AND THEN THE MEETING BETWEEN, UH, THE CHIEF, MYSELF AND THE CHAIR, ARE TO DISCUSS A COMBINATION OF THOSE, UM, CONCERNS AND TOPICS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS DURING THAT MEETING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. HIGGINS.

I ALSO WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR FOR BOARD MEMBERS HERE AS WELL.

IS, UM, THIS DOESN'T JUST GO FROM MR. HIGGINS.

IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU WANT US TO ASK CHIEF GARCIA WHEN WE GO TO OUR MEETINGS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.

ALL I'M ASKING IS PLEASE SEND IT TO US IN AN EMAIL SO THAT WE HAVE IT, AND IT, WE DON'T GET IT LOST IN THE SHUFFLE THROUGH THE MINUTES.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE B? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE C.

CHAIRMAN'S LETTER TO CITY COUNCIL DIRECTOR CHANDLER.

UH, THE BOARD VOTED TO SEND A LETTER TO CHIEF GARCIA, AND THAT WAS, UH, DEVELOPED AND SENT ON MARCH THE SIXTH.

AND, UM, ACKNOWLEDGED BY

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CHIEF GARCIA, BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT AND ONLINE.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE C? JUDGE LANDAIR, DISTRICT EIGHT? YES, SIR.

I'VE READ THROUGH THE, UH, LETTER THAT WAS SENT, AND I DON'T SEE ANY INDICATION AS TO WHEN A RESPONSE SHOULD BE SENT, IF THERE IS ONE.

IS THERE A RESPONSE REQUESTED? AND IF SO, WHEN THAT'S DIRECTED TO THE INTERIM DIRECTOR? UH, THIS LETTER WAS THROUGH THE CHAIR, UM, BY THE BOARD.

OKAY.

AND YOU JUST FORWARDED IT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, HE DID RECEIVE ASSISTANCE WITH DRAFTING IT.

UM, SO WE DID ASSIST WITH STARTING THE LETTER, BUT HE REVIEWED AND MADE REVISIONS TO THE LETTER.

ALRIGHT, THEN I, I GUESS I'LL POINT IT OUT TO OUR, UH, VICE CHAIR THAT I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THIS LETTER WHERE IT'S ASKING FOR A RESPONSE.

UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN THE ONE TO ASSUME THAT IF YOU'RE SENDING A LETTER SUCH AS THIS, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, YEAH.

AND, UM, SO I WILL, I DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DRAFTING OF THAT LETTER, SO I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS ADD THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR THE CHAIR TO ADDRESS WITH THE BOARD.

THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE C? LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

DISTRICT FOUR, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MA'AM, SINCE WE NEGLECTED TO ASK FOR A RESPONSE.

UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE FITTING TO SEND A SECOND LETTER ASKING FOR A RESPONSE.

I CAN SEE THAT JUDGE.

LAND DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE LAND DISTRICT EIGHT.

I AGREE.

WE SHOULD SET A SUPPLEMENT.

BASICALLY SAY WE, WE DID NOT ASK FOR A RESPONSE AT THAT TIME AND DID NOT GIVE YOU A DATE.

WE WOULD REQUEST A RESPONSE BY X DATE, ET CETERA.

JUST FOLLOW IT UP.

OKAY.

AND REFER TO THE LETTER THAT WE SENT THE FIRST TIME.

HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION BY DISTRICT FOUR.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR MOTION? CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? OF COURSE.

UH, THIS SEEMS AWFUL, UH, GRANULAR TO ME.

SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE ASK FOR, LIKE A MOTION TO DO THIS, WANTS TO DO THAT.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR OR DIRECTORS SHOULD JUST DO THAT.

THEY DON'T NEED DIRECTION FROM US OR A MOTION THAT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE, UM, TOO NITTY GRITTY FOR MY SPACE.

I'M GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MOTION, I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT SETS THE WRONG PRECEDENT.

JUST DO IT.

I I I SEE YOUR POINT.

I I SEE YOUR POINT.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR, UM, THE CHAIR TO ASK THAT QUESTION DURING THE MARCH MEETING AS WELL.

SO, BUT I ALSO SEE DISTRICT FOUR'S, UM, POINT OF VIEW, HER PERSPECTIVE ON THE FACT THAT IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT MAY NOT GET DONE.

SO, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, I MOVE THAT WE SEND A FOLLOW UP LETTER ASKING FOR A RESPONSE TO OUR ORIGINAL LETTER.

SO THAT'S THE MOTION.

JONATHAN MAPLES, NELSON ALLEN.

DISTRICT NINE.

I'LL SECOND.

OKAY.

DISTRICT NINE SECONDS.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.

I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY SEEM GRANULAR, HOWEVER, LOOKING AT THE PATTERN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO SEND A LETTER SAYING THAT WE DO WANT SOME TYPE OF RESPONSE SO IT DOESN'T FALL BETWEEN THE CRACKS.

JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT EIGHT.

UH, I AGREE.

UM, I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE MOTIONS, UH, TO HAVE THINGS DONE, BUT, UH, AS HAS BEEN STATED, OUR HISTORY IS SUCH THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FORMAL FORMALITY, AND SO THEREFORE, I THINK THE MOTION IS NECESSARY.

OKAY.

DISTRICT 12, UM, D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12.

UM, SO THAT'S A MOTION FOR RESPONSE WITH THE DEADLINE.

DO WE WANNA DISCUSS THAT DEADLINE, OR ARE WE GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR? DO YOU WANNA AMEN? NO, I'M MEANT JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DEADLINE IN THE LETTER.

ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? SEEING NONE, SERGEANT HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE.

DISTRICT THREE.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

I THINK, UH,

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BY OUR NEXT MEETING IS A, IS A REASONABLE DEADLINE.

OKAY.

YEP.

AND I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE, THE CHAIR CAN, CAN ADDRESS IN HIS LETTER.

MM-HMM.

, JUDGE LANDER.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

CALL FOR THE QUESTION.

OKAY.

QUESTION'S BEING CALLED.

WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE ON THIS MOTION.

THE AYES, AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

NAYS? NO ONE? NAY.

OKAY.

UH, THE NAY.

CAN YOU WELL, WE KNOW, ROGER THAT.

OKAY.

THAT BE A MAYOR OR NO? RIGHT.

HAVE IT THE A.

HAVE IT.

WE WILL SEND A LETTER, UM, REQUESTING A, UH, A RESPONSE WITH A DEADLINE BY THE NEXT MEETING.

NEXT, UH, AGENDA ITEM IS ITEM THREE DA STAFF UPDATE, DIRECTOR CHANDLER.

THANK YOU.

UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS'S EFFORTS TO, UH, SEARCH FOR A DIRECTOR FOR COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, UH, FAILED.

UM, WE ARE NOW USING TWO SEARCH FIRMS TO FIND A APPROPRIATE, UM, FIT FOR THE DIRECTOR POSITION.

UM, OUR FIRST, UH, POSTING FOR THE JOB WAS ON JANUARY 25TH.

THE JOB ORIGINALLY POSTED THROUGH FEBRUARY THE 16TH.

THERE WERE 133 APPLICANTS.

OF THOSE APPLICANTS, 24 OF THE 133 APPLICANTS, UM, MET THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS OUT OF THOSE POSITIONS, I'M SORRY, OUT OF THOSE THAT APPLIED, UM, OF THE 24 APPLICANTS THAT APPLIED, THAT MET THOSE MINIMUM QUALIFICATION, THERE WERE ONLY A COUPLE OF, UM, UH, APPROPRIATE CANDIDATES IDENTIFIED.

THAT BEING SAID, UM, AGAIN, THE, UH, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE REACHED OUT TO TWO, UM, SEARCH FIRMS TO ASSIST WITH THE SEARCH.

UM, THOSE SEARCH FIRMS INCLUDE, INCLUDE, UH, POLLY HIRE AND, UM, MARSHA THOMPSON, WHO IS A SENIOR ADVISOR, UM, AND WILL ASSIST IN THE SEARCH.

UM, THE JOB WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED TO THE NACO WEBSITE AND THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, WEBSITE AS WELL AS LINKEDIN QUESTION.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WE DO HAVE ONE FROM DISTRICT, UH, 13.

UM, WHEN YOU SAY DIRECTOR, YOU MEAN THE MONITOR OR A PHYSICIAN YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? CORRECT.

CORRECT.

AND WHEN YOU SAY, UM, ONLY TWO WERE APPROPRIATE, I THINK THAT WAS, WHAT WAS THAT YOUR WORDS? 24? NO, NO, NO.

OH.

UM, 24 MET THE QUALIFICATIONS.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND THEN YOU SAID OF THOSE 24, ONLY TWO WERE DEEMED APPROPRIATE.

UM, THAT WAS WHAT I RECEIVED BACK, UH, FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND WHO MADE THE DECISION THAT ONLY TWO OUT OF 24 WERE APPROPRIATE? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY MANAGER, HE HIMSELF OR SOMEBODY UNDER HIM.

HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, I COULDN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY.

IT WAS THROUGH HIS OFFICE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHO TOOK PART IN WHAT ROLE, UM, OF REVIEWING THE APPLICANT'S.

BUT I, HE DID HAVE PART.

SO IF I TAKE IT BACK TO MAID, SORT OF THE FINAL CUT.

MM-HMM.

, I KNOW THAT'S NOT PROBABLY APPROPRIATE, BUT IF THEY, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE DEAL WITH THE TWO THAT MADE IT TO THE END THERE? THEY JUST WEREN'T CONSIDERED THE RIGHT FIT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WAS ENOUGH OF A CANDIDATE POOL TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.

THEY WANT IT TO HAVE MORE OF A CANDIDATE POOL.

OKAY.

IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND SO THOSE CANDIDATES WILL STILL BE CONSIDERED BACK IN THE POOL? YES.

BUT THEY JUST WANNA ADD ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES TO THE POOL.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, DID YOU SAY IT WAS A HUNDRED INITIALLY? INITIALLY HOLD DISTRICT TWO.

HOLD, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

OH, DISTRICT 14.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I SECOND.

I, I'LL CALL YOU.

I'LL CALL YOU NEXT.

LET HIM GO.

LET HIM GO.

I I'LL GO AFTER DISTRICT FLOOR IS YOURS.

SO MY QUESTION WAS, YOU SAID INITIALLY IT WAS OVER A HUNDRED MM-HMM.

THEN THAT WHITTLED DOWN TO 24, AND THEN THAT 24 WENT TO TWO.

THOSE TWO DIDN'T MEET WHATEVER THE FINAL CRITERIA

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WAS.

AND SO THAT WRECK IS BEING OPENED UP AGAIN, AND THOSE TWO ARE GOING BACK IN.

SO THE TWO THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS POSSIBLE APPROPRIATE FITS MM-HMM.

, UM, ARE STILL BEING CONSIDERED.

OKAY.

IT'S JUST THAT TWO IS NOT ENOUGH.

THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FELT LIKE TWO CANDIDATES WASN'T, UM, A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.

ONLY HAVING TWO CANDIDATES.

IF ANYONE WAS TO PULL OUT, REMOVE THEIR SELF FROM CANDIDACY, THEN YOU WOULD BE STUCK WITH JUST HAVING ONE.

SO THEY REACHED OUT TO THE SEARCH FIRMS TO ADD TO THE CANDIDATE POOL OF APPROPRIATE CANDIDATES.

OKAY.

IT WAS ALSO EXPLAINED TO US THAT WHEN A, WHEN A JOB IS OPEN WITH THE CITY, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THAT JOB GOES AWAY.

DOES THAT APPLY TO THIS POSITION AS WELL? UM, I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT EVER HAPPENING TO A DIRECTOR LEVEL POSITION.

IT'S USUALLY SUPPORT STAFF, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE AND ALL OFFICES AND DEPARTMENTS REQUIRE LEADERSHIP TO BE IN PLACE.

SO I COULDN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN, BUT I WOULDN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING TO THE DIRECTOR POSITION.

AGAIN, IT'S USUALLY JUST SUPPORT STAFF.

OKAY.

NEXT WE HAVE DISTRICT 14, AND THEN AFTER DISTRICT 14, WE'LL GO TO DISTRICT THREE.

UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.

UM, MS. CHANDLER, I HATE THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO SPEAK FOR HR ON ALL THIS.

UM, AND, BUT, AND FOR THAT REASON, I HAD REACHED OUT TO, UM, THE CHAIR THIS WEEK TO SEE IF HE COULD REACH OUT TO YOU TO GET SOMEBODY FROM HR TO ATTEND THIS MEETING SO THAT WE COULD DIRECT THOSE QUESTIONS TO THEM.

IS ANYBODY FROM HR HERE OR DID THEY RESPOND TO THAT REQUEST? I RECEIVED THAT REQUEST YESTERDAY EVENING AROUND 7:00 PM SO BASED ON THE LATE NOTICE, UM, I WAS UNABLE TO SECURE ANYONE THAT WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENING.

OKAY.

UM, BUT THEY DID PROVIDE THE DETAILS.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT THEY DID ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.

UM, HOW LONG IS THIS EXECUTIVE SEARCH GOING TO TAKE? DO WE KNOW? SO WE HAVE TWO SEARCH FIRMS. ONE OF THE, UM, FIRMS, UM, WELL, I GUESS TECHNICALLY WE HAVE ONE SEARCH FIRM AND ONE, UM, ADVISOR.

UM, THE ADVISOR IS MORE OF A HEAD HUNTER TYPE OF, UH, FIRM, IF YOU WILL.

AND, UM, THEY PROJECT A HUNDRED DAYS FOR A START, UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU 30 DAYS FOR THE SEARCH, 30 DAYS FOR THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.

AND POSSIBLY, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE CANDIDATE MAY COME FROM, 30 DAYS FOR, UM, THAT PERSON TO EITHER RELOCATE OR RESIGN FROM A, A CURRENT POSITION.

OKAY.

THAT'S, I, I UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THAT.

UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S, THAT'S WAY TOO LONG.

ACCORDING TO THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, THE CITY KNEW, OR, OR WAS IN TALKS WITH THE FORMER DIRECTOR FOR HER TO LEAVE LAST JULY.

SHE LEFT IN SEPTEMBER, THEY DIDN'T POST THE POSITION UNTIL JANUARY.

NOW IT'S MARCH.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE A DIRECTOR.

NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE 133 APPLICANTS 24 MET REQUIREMENTS, AND THERE WERE TWO FINALISTS, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA EXTEND IT OUT ANOTHER A HUNDRED DAYS.

SO THAT'S THREE, THAT'S THREE, THREE AND A HALF MONTHS.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE COMING UP ON ALMOST A YEAR SINCE THE CITY KNEW THAT WE WERE NOT GONNA HAVE A DIRECTOR.

THAT'S WAY TOO LONG.

AND, AND MS. CHANDLER, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THAT'S YOUR FAULT OR ANYTHING, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

IT, IT'S VITAL THAT THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD HAVE AN OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WITH PERMANENT LEADERSHIP IN PLACE.

AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA GO NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR MINIMUM WITHOUT HAVING A DIRECTOR IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT, IT REALLY INHIBITS OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT THREE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR.

UH, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO, UH, INTERIM DIRECTOR IS, UM, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR DEFINITION OF WHAT APPROPRIATE IS? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE CITY MANAGER, UH, IT, IT WAS THE CITY MANAGER'S CALL.

SO ARE WE ABLE TO, UH, TO, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CRITERIA WAS FOR, FOR THE OTHER APPLICANTS NOT BEING ABLE, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE CITY MANAGER IN THE LAST MEETING, HE GOT ON THE CALL AND SAID THE ONLY THE ONLY POSITION THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE ANY KIND TYPE OF SAY OR INPUT INTO WAS THE DIRECTOR POSITION IN THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM,

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I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR FOR US TO SEE, TO GET SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTING OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE APPROPRIATE.

AND WHILE THOSE 20, UH, 24, UH, OR WERE SCREENED OUT, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, UH, I ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHO'S IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, RIGHT? LIKE, WHO'S IN THAT CANDIDATE PROCESS, UM, UH, WHO GETS TO LOOK AT THE CANDIDATES? LIKE, DO, DO YOU KNOW THIS, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU ALSO HAVE A LONG TRACK RECORD IN HR, SO I'M, I'M WONDERING, LIKE, WHO, WHO IS REVIEWING THESE CANDIDATES? IS IT YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

MAKING A CALL.

SO, UM, FOR CIVIL SERVICE POSITIONS, THOSE GO THROUGH THE CIVIL SERVICE, UM, DEPARTMENT FOR NON-CIVIL SERVICE, WHICH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IS A NON-CIVIL SERVICE POSITION.

THEN THOSE CANDIDATES ARE SCREENED THROUGH HR TALENT.

AND THE 24 CANDIDATES THAT WERE DEEMED, UM, TO MEET THE CRITERIA SIMPLY MEAN THAT THEY MET THE CRITERIA.

AND IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE THAT MEET THE BASIC CRITERIA DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES.

IT JUST MEANS THAT BASED OFF OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION, THEY MEET THE BARE THE BASIC MINIMUM.

SO THAT COULD BE, UM, THEIR EDUCATION LEVEL, THEIR NUMBER OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVE PEOPLE THAT APPLY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, UM, OTHER AREAS THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE.

IN THIS CASE, IT MIGHT MOST LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE ON THE JOB DESCRIPTION IT SAID THAT NO LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, OR PREVIOUS FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS ELIGIBLE.

SO THEY WOULD'VE BEEN SCREENED, SCREENED OUT.

BUT THERE AGAIN, ARE INDIVIDUALS OF THE 24 THAT MAY HAVE MADE, MET THE VERY MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.

BUT AGAIN, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE GOOD FITS FOR THE POSITION.

I WAS NOT PART OF THE PROCESS OF SCREENING THE CANDIDATES.

SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT, UM, THE TWO HAD THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER 22 THAT WERE NOT, UM, DEEMED AS GOOD CANDIDATES.

SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT.

SO JUST FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

SO OUR QUESTION IS, WE NEED TO DIRECT TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS, THIS PROCESS? CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MR. HIGGINS, WE HAVE, UH, DISTRICT FOUR, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH FLOOR HERE.

SO, UM, COULD YOU TELL ME THE NAME OF THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER? KIMBERLY TOLBERT.

SO IF WE WANTED TO QUESTION THE PROCESS, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD DIRECT OUR QUESTIONS TO MS. TOLBERT AS OPPOSED TO MR. BROMACK SINCE NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU ON THIS SIDE.

OKAY.

NEVERMIND.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT FOUR.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE? E OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD, DIRECTOR.

UM, LET'S SEE.

UH, ALSO, UM, AS AN UPDATE, THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR ROLE HAS BEEN APPROVED THROUGH THE CAF PROCESS, WHICH IS THE CLASSIFICATION ACTION FORM PROCESS.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, THE POSITION IS NOW IN PROCESS OF BEING POSTED, UM, FOR HIRE FOR THAT POSITION.

DID JONATHAN MAY POSITION TO, IS THAT THE POSITION THAT MR. WILLIAMS HELPED? CORRECT.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT UPDATE, UH, WE DO HAVE A NEW POLICY ANALYST THAT STARTED ON MONDAY, AND I WILL ALLOW HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE HERSELF.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS SIERRA OSU.

BY THE WAY, IF YOU SEE MY NAME, IT IS O BASUI.

UM, I SPECIALIZE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND LEGISLATIVE POLICY, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE TEAM,

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AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HER AS WELL.

UM, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO, UM, HIRING A TEMPORARY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO ASSIST THE OFFICE WITH, UH, BOARD MATTERS.

UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

JUST ONE, ONE FOLLOW UP.

BRANDON , DISTRICT 14.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR BRANDON, FREEDOM DISTRICT 14.

YES, SIR.

UH, ONE FOLLOW UP ON, ON THE ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS, UH, OUT OF WHOSE BUDGET IS THAT COMING? IS THAT COMING OUT OF THE OCPO BUDGET? THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD HR.

WHO PAYS FOR THAT? THAT QUESTION WAS NOT, UH, RESPONDED TO, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT COMES OUT OF O CPO'S BUDGET.

SO BECAUSE HR COULDN'T FIND ANYONE AND DIDN'T DO IT, DIDN'T CONDUCT AN EFFECTIVE SEARCH, IT'S NOW GOING TO CUT INTO THE OCPO BUDGET.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PRACTICE.

SO WE ARE, WE ARE PAYING FOR THE FACT THAT HR DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB.

THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

LET'S ALSO, LET'S ALSO LEARN MORE BECAUSE THIS IS BRAND NEW, RIGHT? WELL, MR. FROSTIER, I, I, I UNDERSTAND IT.

IT IS, BUT WHEN, WHEN THIS GOT, WHEN THIS POSITION WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED, HR POSTED THE WRONG JOB DESCRIPTION.

THAT WRONG JOB DESCRIPTION WAS UP FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, THEN THEY PULLED IT DOWN AND THEN THEY EXTENDED THE TIME.

THEN AFTER IT WAS UP FOR A MONTH, IT WENT ON LINKEDIN, WHEREVER ELSE IT WENT ON THE WEBSITE.

THEN THEY SAID WE COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY.

SO NOW IT'S GONNA COST OCPO AND THEREFORE THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY.

I WILL, I WILL ALSO ADD THAT JUST AS MANY UM, ENTITIES, THE HUMAN RESOURCE TALENT TEAM POSTS POSITIONS, AND THEY DO MARKET THOSE POSITIONS.

A SEARCH FIRM IS ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE.

SO THEY COLD CALL, UM, THEY SEARCH FOR PASSIVE CANDIDATES THAT MAY NOT BE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEREAS WHEN YOU ARE WORKING, UM, ON A TALENT TEAM, YOU ARE MARKETING THE POSITION, BUT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE'S TALENTS AND INVITE THEM TO APPLY FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY IN THE SAME WAY THAT A SEARCH FIRM WOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE INTERNAL TEAM VERSUS USING AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH TEAM.

OKAY.

YEAH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T DOUBT THAT EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM, I, I, THEY EXIST.

I MEAN, THEY EXIST FOR A REASON.

THEY'RE GOOD AT IT.

UM, BUT IT, IT SEEMS AS IF, IF WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA NEED THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT FROM THE START AND NOT LOST SEVERAL MONTHS OF THIS PROCESS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 14, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, IF I MAY, JUST BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, CAN I ASK THAT WE JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE IMPACT TO OUR BUDGET REGARDING THIS, THE SEARCH AND, UH, WHATNOT, JUST SO WE CAN GET SOME DETAILS ON THAT? THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM 3D STAFF UPDATE.

MR. MR. HIGGINS HAS HIS, HIS HAND UP UP THERE.

OH, THERE WE GO.

THEN I LIKE TO SPEAK OUT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT THREE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR? YES.

UH, INTERIM DIRECTOR.

UH, SO DID THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR POSITION CHANGE? UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I HEARD THIS.

THIS IS A RUMOR, SO MAYBE YOU CAN VALIDATE THIS FOR ME OR NOT, BUT, UH, UH, UH, I WAS TOLD THAT BOARD CERTIFICATION WAS ADDED AS A, A QUALIFICATION TO THE DIRECTOR POSITION.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE, BUT I CAN'T CONFIRM.

I DON'T HAVE THE JOB DESCRIPTION IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS TRUE.

YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT AND PULL IT UP REALLY QUICKLY, BUT, UM, I COULDN'T BEFORE WE GOT TO, BECAUSE, UM, IN THE INITIAL, UH, SEARCH THAT RESULTED IN DIRECTOR MCCLARY BEING PUT HERE, THAT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UM, SENIOR MANAGER FORTUNE, UH, WAS, UH, WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE QUALIFICATIONS AND LIKE HE WAS TOLD THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT

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KIND OF WHITTLES DOWN OUR POOL OF POTENTIAL APPLICANTS DOWN TO LESS THAN 5% OF PEOP ATTORNEYS IN THE COUNTRY.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TAKEN BACK.

SO I WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW IF THAT WAS VALIDATED.

CAN WE PLEASE GET THAT VALIDATED? I WOULD LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU SEND OUT A MEMO TO US, UH, TO, TO SEE IF THAT, I, I'M GONNA LOOK MYSELF, BUT I THINK FOR THE WHOLE BOARD WE NEED TO KNOW THAT, UM, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, UM, IN, IN MY RECOLLECTION, IT WAS A, A, IT WAS A QUALIFICATION THAT WAS A, LIKE TO HAVE, BUT NOT A, A HAVE TO HAVE QUALIFICATION.

I, I READ THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND, UM, AND BOARD CERTIFICATION IN CRIMINAL LAW WAS A, AN ADDED BENEFIT, BUT NOT A REQUIREMENT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM, .

SO SCRATCH THAT REQUEST.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

DISTRICT THREE AND DI DISTRICT NINE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR, UH, CLEARING THAT UP FOR US.

APPRECIATE THAT.

DI, DISTRICT TWO, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

YEP.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU SAID AND DIRECT INTERVIEW FOR SOMETHING YOU COULD HELP ME OUT WITH.

'CAUSE I, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON OUR BUDGET.

BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THESE TWO SEARCH FIRMS ARE CHARGING? I DON'T.

OKAY.

BUT IT IS GOING TO COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET.

I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE.

UM, I HAVE NOT CONFIRMED AND THAT WILL BE A FOLLOW UP.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEP.

MAY I MAKE AN EXPRESSION? DISTRICT FOUR? YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

MA'AM, OUR OFFICE IS SO UNDERFUNDED AT THIS POINT, AND WE DO NO INVESTIGATION.

I, I'M REALLY SADDENED BY WHAT'S GOING ON.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE FULL COMPLIMENT OF THE OFFICE OF THE RESERVE SITE? HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU, HOW CAN YOU HAVE? UH, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.

UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR EMPLOYEES.

UM, WHEN I STARTED IN THE ROLE, WE HAD ONE EMPLOYEE.

UM, WE HOPE TO ADD THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WITHIN THE NEXT 60 DAYS.

AND THAT WILL COMPLETE ALL OF THE POSITIONS FOR OCPO, NOT INCLUDING THE DIRECTOR.

SO YOU HAVE FOUR POSITIONS PLUS THE DIRECTOR, CORRECT.

PLUS THE INVESTIGATOR.

OH, YEAH.

AND THE INVESTIGATOR.

OKAY.

THAT'S NOT FILLED, BUT CURRENTLY, SO YOU HAVE FIVE POSITIONS, RIGHT? PLUS THE, A DIRECTOR TOTAL OF SIX.

TOTAL OF SIX.

UH, THAT'S KIND OF DISTURBING TO ME AS WELL BECAUSE, UH, HAVING LOOKED AT, UM, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT OFFICERS IN OTHER CITIES, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THEY GOT A LOT OF MONEY.

SECOND OF ALL, THEY HAVE A LOT OF OVERSIGHT.

AND THIRD, THEY HAVE A LOT OF STAFF.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE A DIRECTOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DIRECT.

RIGHT.

AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT, THAT, UM, LAST YEAR, THIS OFFICE DID NOT SPEND NEARLY ALL OF THEIR MONEY.

AND IN ORDER FOR US TO GROW AS AN OFFICE, WE HAVE TO EFFECTIVELY USE THAT FUNDING IN ORDER TO ASK FOR MORE.

I FULLY UNDERSTAND.

I USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ONLINE OR THOSE PRESENT IN THE ROOM? SEEING NONE.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE.

E-C-P-O-B SUMMIT DIRECTOR CHANDLER.

UH, WE ARE PLANNING, UH, THE SUMMIT FOR APRIL THE 20TH, OR APRIL THE 27TH.

UH, OCPO IS STILL WORKING ON SECURING A LOCATION, BUT IS LEANING TOWARD THE BLACK ACADEMY OF ARTS AND LETTERS.

UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE BOARD, UM, AS WE PROGRESS.

WE HAVE, UH, TOWARD THE FACILITY.

UH, I THINK IT WAS, UM, UH, YESTERDAY AND, UM, ARE WORKING TOWARDS, UH, SECURING A DATE.

I BELIEVE WE ARE LEANING TOWARD APRIL THE 27TH, UM, IF I MAY.

MM-HMM, APRIL 20TH IS THE, UH, BOARD AND COMMISSION'S LUNCHEON ON, ON APRIL 20TH.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WORK.

UM, I GOT A CONFLICT ON THE 27TH AS WELL, SO I MAY BE ABLE TO COME FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I DEFINITELY KNOW THE 20TH WE'LL ALL BE

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AT A LUNCHEON.

OH, SHOULD THEY? AND, UH, UN UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE HAD A CONFLICT FOR THE 27TH SINCE LAST YEAR.

THE FOURTH SUN SATURDAY IN APRIL.

I AM COMMITTED FOR THE NEXT DURATION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? WHO ELSE WE GOT? OH, DISTRICT THREE.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR.

SO I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE 27TH AS WELL.

WE DID SEND OUT, UM, UH, INFORMATION REQUESTING, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD.

UH, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT APPEARS THAT A FEW PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IF YOU ALL RESPONDED TO THE, UM, REQUEST FOR INFORMATION REGARDING AVAILABILITY, BUT WE WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND CHAIRMAN, I'LL BE OUTTA TOWN ON BOTH DATES.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT, UH, EIGHT.

I MIGHT AS WELL THROW MY HAT INTO THIS RING.

FIVE CONFLICTS ON BOTH THE 20TH AND THE 27TH.

APRIL.

APRIL WAS NOT A GOOD ONE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON, UH, THE CPOB SUMMIT? UH, YES.

I I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YES.

DISTRICT THREE.

UM, SO, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'S AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IN LIGHT OF , THE RECENT, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OPINION ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T INVESTIGATE OR HOW WE'RE DOING, OUR INVESTIGATION AND THE REPORT THAT THE OFFICE PUT PUT OUT, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE WAY THE, UH, THE METHODOLOGY AND HOW WE GOT TO THAT POINT, UH, THE PROCESS, HOW WE GOT TO THAT POINT.

I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE OFFICE SETTING UP OUR RETREAT.

UM, I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, I FEEL AS IF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VERY COMPETENT, THOUGHTFUL, WELL-MEANING PEOPLE AROUND THIS, IN THIS BOARD, UM, THAT CAN ORGANIZE WHAT OUR SUMMIT RETREAT, WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO BE CALLING THIS TO.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE OFFICE AND THE INTERIM DIRECTOR SHOULD BE LEADING OR EVEN FACILITATING HOW WE DO OUR, HOW WE DO OUR RETREAT SLASH SUMMIT.

UM, I WOULD, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT AND WORK ON DURING THIS TIME.

UM, ONCE WE GET A DATE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN BE THERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT, MR. HIGGINS.

UM, I JUST WANT TO COME OUT AND SAY THAT THESE, UH, RETREATS, WHEN WE HAVE A QUORUM OF MEMBERS IS AN OPEN MEETING.

THERE ARE NOTES THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN AND WE HAVE A STAFF THAT DOES THAT.

SO THAT IS WHY THEY FACILITATE IT AND THEY SCHEDULE IT.

UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

I REALLY DO.

BUT TO SAY THAT, THAT THIS BOARD IS GOING TO GATHER PRI PRIVATELY OUTSIDE OF AND, AND VIOLATE TEXAS OPENS ACT, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD, SIR.

SO ALL, ALL I'M SAYING IS, UM, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK THAT, UM, AND I, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT, THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE INPUT AS WELL AS ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE.

SO, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT OUR BOARD MEMBERS FORWARD TO THE CHAIR AND MYSELF AND THE DIRECTOR, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THIS CPOB SUMMIT SO THAT WAY WE CAN TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

OKAY.

BUT THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT OUR OFFICE IS FOR DISTRICT FOUR.

OKAY.

CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP JUST FOR THE RECORD? FOR THE RECORD, CAN I FOLLOW UP MR. MR. HIGGINS? WOULD YOU MIND IF I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU SAY, WELL, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP? 'CAUSE I NEVER IMPLIED THAT THIS NEED TO BE A PRIVATE MEETING.

I, I, I NEVER IMPLIED THAT I, I SAID THAT WE NEED TO LEAD THE ORGANIZATION OF THIS MEETING.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE, THE, THE OFFICE CAN'T STILL HANDLE LOGISTICS AND, AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT WE

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NEED TO LEAD THE DIRECTION OF WHAT THIS SUMMIT AND WE CAN, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT WITH SAYING THAT WE, OUR BOARD MEMBERS WILL MAKE INPUT IN, IN THE PAST WE DISCUSSED IT WITHIN THESE CHAMBERS AND WE'VE OUTLINED WHAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH, THE PURPOSE, WHAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND WE, WE CHOSE SEVERAL DATES IN ADVANCE AND IT WASN'T A LAST MINUTE DECISION.

YOU KNOW, I'M A VERY BUSY PERSON AND I NEED NOTICE, YOU CAN'T ASK ME 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE TO GIVE UP A SATURDAY.

I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT TIME.

NO, THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT FOUR, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, AND WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, OF THAT AS WELL.

SO WHAT I'D ASK IS, UM, DIRECTOR, IF YOU COULD COME OUT WITH A, MAYBE NOT AN APRIL TIMEFRAME, BUT MAYBE WE LOOK AT A JULY, AUGUST, MAYBE WE DO IT DURING COUNCIL RECESS.

NORMALLY COUNCIL RECESS.

WE TRY TO, WE TRY TO MATCH COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL'S SCHEDULE.

BUT IN THIS, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS ITEM, I THINK, UH, THAT'LL GIVE EVERYONE ENOUGH TIME.

SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS FIRST START WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR MONTH.

WHAT, WHAT MONTH WORKS BEST FOR EVERYONE, AND THEN WE CAN WHITTLE DOWN ON THE DAYS.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD BE JULY.

JULY MM-HMM.

.

YEP.

RIGHT.

AND YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT IN JULY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BUMP INTO JULY 4TH.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S A WEEK THAT'S GONE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONE.

SO, UM, AUGUST IS WHEN SCHOOL STARTING, OR SEPTEMBER IS WHEN SCHOOL STARTS.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME, UH, SOME WIGGLE ROOM.

BUT DIRECTOR, I JUST ASK THAT WE PUSH THAT A LITTLE BIT JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEAD TIME ON THAT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

HAS ANYONE, ANYONE THOUGHT OF THE SECOND TUESDAY