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[Community Police Oversight Board on March 12, 2024.]
MARCH 12TH, 2024, AND THIS IS THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT MEETING.I AM JOSE RIVAS, THE VICE CHAIR, ALSO DISTRICT SEVEN.
UH, WE WILL COMMENCE THE MEETING, WE'RE GONNA CALL IT TO ORDER AT 5:37 PM BEFORE I GET STARTED, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE ONLINE, UH, GUESTS THAT ARE HERE, PUBLIC SPEAKERS, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, ON OUR RULES OF DECORUM, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE ADDRESS THEM TO ME, THE CHAIR, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
ALSO, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND DISTRICT SO THAT, UH, OUR, OUR STAFF CAN, UH, PUT THE MINUTES TOGETHER AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, WELCOME OUR NEW, UH,
UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, IS MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS, DOLORES PHILLIPS.
ADDRESS, PO BOX 5 3 0 2 3 6 GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS 7 5 0 5 3.
I EMAILED YOU SEVERAL HANDOUTS.
I ALSO EMAILED YOU FIVE HUNDRED AND FIVE FIFTY ONE PAGES OF THE CRIMINAL RICO ACT.
18 USC 1961 THROUGH 1968 IS A, IT IS A MANUAL FOR FEDERAL PROSECUTORS.
ALSO, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T PRINT ALL OF THE PAGES, BUT YOU HAVE FIVE PAGES, FOUR OR FIVE PAGES.
IT TELLS YOU ABOUT THE PREFACE AND HOW AND WHY THE RICO ACT WAS, WAS IMPLEMENTED.
IT SAYS, RICO'S DEFINITION OF ENTERPRISE BROADLY ENCOMPASSES MANY TYPES OF ENTERPRISE.
RICO ENTERPRISE MAY CONSIST OF AN ASSOCIATION IN FACT, OF LEGAL ENTITIES, AS WELL AS AN ASSOCIATION OF LEGAL ENTITIES AND INDIVIDUALS.
IT SAYS THE SUPREME COURT AND NUMEROUS LOWER COURTS HAVE HELD THAT AN ASSOCIATION.
IN FACT, ENTERPRISE IS PROVEN BY EVIDENCE OF AN ONGOING ORGANIZATION AND BY EVIDENCE THAT THE VARIOUS ASSOCIATES OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNCTION AS A CONTINUING UNIT.
PROOF OF SUCH AN ENTERPRISE IS NOT DEFEATED, MERELY BECAUSE THERE IS A GAP IN ITS ACTIVITY OR A CHANGE IN ITS MEMBERSHIP.
OCTOBER 25TH, 2013, I WAS AT A MEETING, 1400 SOUTH LAMAR.
IT WAS PREARRANGED BY MAYOR ROLLINS TWO TO THREE WEEKS PRIOR.
IN THAT MEETING, TWO HOURS OF VIDEO WAS ERASED ALSO.
COURT DOCUMENTS WERE INTERCEPTED.
THE PAPERS STATE THAT I VOLUNTARILY WENT PRIOR TO GOING TO 1400 SOUTH LAMAR.
I DROVE FROM UNT DALLAS, WHERE I WAS A STUDENT WITH A 3.0.
I GRADUATED LESS THAN WHAT, EIGHT WEEKS LATER, DECEMBER, 2013.
I NEED YOU TO KNOW THAT TWO HOURS OF VIDEO WAS RELEASED, WAS ERASED FROM THAT MEETING ALSO, CORPORAL NER IS READY TO TESTIFY.
NO OFFICERS WHO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS IS GOING TO LIE UNDER OATH.
THE COVERUP IS ACTING AS A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE IN ITSELF, IN, IN VIOLATION OF THE CRIMINAL RICO ACT, 18 USC 1961 THROUGH 1968.
ALSO, MY DAD, WHO WAS AN INCAPACITATED.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN YOUR DAD CRY? THE MAN, NOT THE WOMAN, NOT YOUR MOTHER.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN YOUR DAD CRY? HE COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN UP AND WALKED AWAY IF HE WANTED TO.
IEGE RETALIATION AND DELIBERATE NEGLIGENCE.
THIS FABRICATED POLICE REPORT WAS USED BEHIND THE SCENES WITH A DALLAS COUNTY COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY AD LITEM, WHO WAS USED TO INFLICT MORE NEGLIGENCE BECAUSE OF RETALIATION AND ME SPEAKING TO POLICE CLEAR MY NAME FROM THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT, THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT STATES THAT I USED HANDS AND FEETS AS WEAPONS.
TWO HOURS OF VIDEO WAS ERASED TO PROTECT THE OFFICER AND NOT TO INCRIMINATE DPD.
NO VIDEO COULD EVER BE RELEASED OF ME USING HANDS AND FEET AS WEAPONS.
THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY.
WE, WE, WE HAVE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ROLL CALL.
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THANK YOU.BOBBY HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE FURTHER.
HEY, BRIAN, WE CAN, WE SEE YOU SPEAKING, BUT WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? THERE YOU GO.
DISTRICT EIGHT, SUBSTITUTE MR. LANDARD, DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT NINE.
ALLISON GRANTER ALLEN FOR DISTRICT NINE.
DISTRICT 11, DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12 PRESENT.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT DISTRICT AND DISTRICT 15.
THE CHAIR IS, UH, ABSENT TODAY.
UM, HE'LL BE BACK AT, UH, NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
SO THE NEXT STEP IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
IF I COULD HAVE EVERYONE REVIEW THE MINUTES, MAKE ANY ADMIN CORRECTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, OH, WE DO HAVE CORRECTED MINUTES.
MR. CHAIR, QUESTION? YES, SIR.
FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE, WHO ARE REMOTE, HOW ARE WE ACCESSING THE MINUTES? MR. MR. CHAIR? CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? STANDBY, UH, MR. CHAIR, THE, UH, REVISED MINUTES WERE EMAILED.
THE, THE, THE REVISED, UH, MINUTES WERE EMAILED TO YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNT.
UH, WERE THEY EMAILED TO THE C UH, CPOB ACCOUNT OR TO OUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT? UH, THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE ON FILE THAT, THAT WE ALL HAVE ON FILE, THEY SHOULD HAVE WENT OUT TO THE EMAILS THAT REGULARLY GET THE EMAILS WHEN WE SEND OUT TO THE ENTIRE BOARD.
UM, SO I'M SORRY, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I, I THINK THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I CAN GO BACK AND CHECK.
AND THEY, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN SENT AT FIVE O'CLOCK, JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE.
SO IF YOU HADN'T CHECKED FOR THOSE OF YOU AT HOME, MR. CLARK JUST PASSED THAT THE REVISED MINUTES WERE SENT TO YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNTS AT 5:00 PM TODAY.
HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE REVISED MINUTES? DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
I MOVED TO APPROVE THE REVISED MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND? JOHN MAPLE SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING THAT HAVE BEEN REVISED.
FIRST ACTION ITEM UP ON FOR TONIGHT IS AN UPDATE ON THE DILL LANE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FROM MAJOR ALANISE AND INTERIM DIRECTOR ELAINE CHANDLER.
WE'VE GOTTA TAKE A VOTE ON THE, UH, ON THE MINUTES.
CAN I GET A VOTE TO APPROVE, UH, THE MOVE TO SECONDED? AYE.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR, ARE ARE THERE ANY NAYS FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE, THE MINUTES?
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OKAY.SEEING NONE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
NEXT STEP IS DONELLE LANE INVESTIGATION WITH MAJOR ESE AND DIRECTOR ELAINE CHANDLER AND I WILL DEFER TO MAJOR ESE FOR AN UPDATE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, ARE YOU THERE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, SO REGARDING THE MR. LANE INVESTIGATION, THE HEARING, UH, WAS SET TODAY FOR DISCIPLINE IN THE DISCIPLINE PHASE, AND IT WAS HEARD BY ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CHIEFS THAT IS OVER THE PATROL BUREAU.
AND SO THAT WAS CONDUCTED TODAY AND DISCIPLINE WAS RENDERED.
THERE WAS DISCIPLINE RENDERED? YES, SIR.
UM, ARE, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SHARE WHAT THAT WAS? UH, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A WRITTEN REPRIMAND WAS ISSUED FOR ALL FOUR OFFICERS IN ADDITION TO, UM, HAVING THEM ATTEND TRAINING.
SPECIFICALLY, WHAT TRAINING ARE THEY GONNA GO TO? UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THE BLOCK OF INSTRUCTION, BUT I KNOW THAT IT WOULD HAVE SOME SENSITIVITY, UM, NEXUS TO IT.
BUT THE SPECIFIC BLOCK OF INSTRUCTION THAT WILL BE PROVIDED OR WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TO SIT IN ON, I DO NOT KNOW.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ACADEMY WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE ASSISTANT CHIEF TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT DIRECTION HE'S WANTING TO GO IN AND WHAT TRAINING THOSE OFFICERS ARE TO ATTEND.
BOARD MEMBERS, WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
ANYONE? CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, THIS IS D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12, MAJOR ALLEN EAST ON.
THANK YOU FOR BEING, YOU'RE STILL ON THE LINE, RIGHT? YOU'RE STILL WITH US? CORRECT.
SO, UM, THE QUESTION I ASKED BACK IN AUGUST, AND I REPEATED THAT QUESTION, UM, LAST MONTH, AND I KEEP REPEATING IT BECAUSE THIS ALL SEEMS TO GO TO THE FACT THAT THE OFFICERS, UM, THAT WERE FIRST ON THE SCENE, THAT WERE FIRST, THAT, UH, MR. LANE FIRST ASKED THEM TO BE AWARE OF THE LAW.
AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, OKAY, WHAT DO OFFICERS DO WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE UNAWARE OF THE LAW? WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR THEM TO CHECK? WHAT IS THE LAW? AND I'D ASK FOR THE PROCEDURE.
AND WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN ANSWER TO THAT.
SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, MA'AM.
SO REGARDING, TO GET A SPECIFIC, UM, REQUEST ON HOW THE DEPARTMENT WOULD HANDLE SOMETHING, IF WE DON'T KNOW OR ARE NOT CLEAR WITH A CERTAIN LAW THAT'S OUT THERE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THEY CAN SPEAK ON A, AS A WHOLE FOR THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.
AS FAR AS OFFICERS THEMSELVES, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN INDIVIDUAL RESPONSE ON WHAT STEPS THEY WOULD TAKE TO RESEARCH A CERTAIN LAW THAT THEY MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH.
CAN I ASK MAJOR ALANIS ANOTHER QUESTION ON THAT? OKAY.
SO MAJOR ALANIS, THE QUESTION I HAD BROUGHT BEFORE, UH, AND ASKED YOU WAS, I WAS TOLD INFORMALLY BY A, UM, CITY OF DALLAS OFFICER THAT THE FASTEST PROCEDURE WOULD BE FOR THAT OFFICER TO CALL THE JAIL BECAUSE THE JAIL KNOWS, UM, HAS EASY ACCESS TO ALL THE, ALL THE LAWS.
IS THAT A PROCEDURE? HOW ARE OFFICERS TRAINED? AND THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASKED.
DO OFFICERS KNOW HOW TO FIND OUT? I FOUND OUT LESS THAN 90 SECONDS WITH A GOOGLE SEARCH THAT IT WAS A LAW IN TEXAS.
SO I'M STILL QUESTIONING THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, WHAT, EIGHT, NINE MONTHS? I MEAN, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOREVER AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE WHEN AN OFFICER IS TOLD BY A POLITE CITIZEN, A RESIDENT OF DALLAS THAT SAYS, NO, THERE'S A LAW ABOUT THIS.
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STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GET THAT FOR US MAJOR ESE.
SO AGAIN, JUST SO THAT I CAN CLARIFY, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT AN OFFICER'S ABLE TO UTILIZE IF THEY ARE RESEARCHING A CERTAIN LAW.
THE DESCRIPTION THAT YOU JUST GAVE REGARDING AN OFFICER CONTACTING THE JAIL AND SPEAKING TO A SUPERVISOR THERE.
THAT IS AN OPTION THAT THEY COULD UTILIZE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT ON WHAT EXACTLY THE TRAINING GOES ON.
IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION ON RESEARCHING THAT, AGAIN, I WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE YOU A RESPONSE.
UH, I JUST HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT EACH OF THE FOUR OFFICERS GOT THE SAME DISCIPLINE THAT IS A WRITTEN REPRIMAND? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND CAN YOU TELL US AT WHAT LEVEL IN, IN TERMS, DID IT GO ALL THE WAY TO CHIEF GARCIA OR WAS IT UNDER ONE OF THE, UH, DEPUTY CHIEFS THAT MADE THAT DECISION? SO IT WAS NOT CHIEF GARCIA AND IT WAS NOT A DEPUTY CHIEF.
IT WAS AN ASSISTANT CHIEF AT AN ASSISTANT CHIEF LEVEL.
AND THE, THE, THAT FORM OF DISCIPLINE IS CONSIDERED A FORMAL FORM OF DISCIPLINE.
AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, DOES THIS END THE MATTER AS FAR AS, UM, THE, UM, DPT IS CONCERNED, OR IS THERE POTENTIAL FOR AN APPEAL BY THE OFFICER? WHERE ARE WE WITHIN YOUR FRAMEWORK? SHOULD THE OFFICERS CHOOSE TO APPEAL THAT DISCIPLINE? THEY ARE AFFORDED THOSE RIGHTS TO DO SO.
AND WHERE WOULD THAT APPEAL GO? THAT APPEAL WOULD THEN GO BEFORE CHIEF GARCIA.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
GO AHEAD, MR. BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
UH, MAJOR ESE, UH, NOW THAT DISCIPLINE HAS BEEN RENDERED, UM, WILL DPD BE DOING ANYTHING FOR MR. LANE? BY THAT, UH, I MEAN, WILL HE BE RECEIVING AN APOLOGY FROM ANYONE OR ANY OTHER COMMUNICATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT? SO, SO AS FAR AS COMMUNICATION GOES, HE WILL BE RECEIVING A LETTER FROM OUR OFFICE, UH, WHEN WE CONCLUDE OUR INVESTIGATIONS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO SEND OUT TO OUR, UH, RESIDENTS.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CONTENTS OF THAT MESSAGE WILL BE? I WORK WITH MY STAFF ON WHAT IS SENT OUT ON THAT.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MAJOR ESE, BECAUSE INITIALLY, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER BACK TO LAST SUMMER, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DECLINED TO ACCEPT, UH, FOR FURTHER INVE INVESTIGATION, THE COMPLAINT OF MR. LANE.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? I REMEMBER THAT.
SO IF, UM, IED DID NOT SEE THAT IT WAS A COMPLAINT, AND NOW WE SEE THE OFFICERS INVOLVED, WERE TOLD THAT THEY ARE BEING REPRIMANDED, WHAT ARE THE CHANGES WITHIN IED TO LOOK AT THESE TYPE OF COMPLAINTS IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT? SO THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY WAS A VIDEO THAT WAS MISSED IN IAD AND THAT SITUATION HAS BEEN HANDLED HERE IN MY OFFICE.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, UM, IN REGARDS TO THIS LANE CASE, AS I JUST SAID, IT WAS IN, IT WAS INVESTIGATED OR KICKED BACK TO, I GUESS IED PICKED IT BACK UP.
UH, WE WERE GONNA DO OUR OWN INVESTIGATION THEN YOU PICKED IT BACK UP.
BUT THE, UM, MEMO THAT WE GOT FROM OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR LAST LAST MONTH SAID THAT THE COMPLAINT REVIEW PROCESS SAID THAT UNLESS YOU HAD DONE A FULL INVESTIGATION, THAT WE WERE INELIGIBLE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE EXTERNAL COMPLAINT WORKFLOW OF NO INVESTIGATION, SUBCLASS GENERAL DEFINITIONS, WHICH IS IN OUR PACKET, IT SAYS, IT IS THE POLICY OF THE DEPARTMENT TO ACCEPT AND INVESTIGATE ALL COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT OR WRONGFUL WRONGDOING FROM ANY CITIZEN AS PRESCRIBED BY STATE LAW AND DEPARTMENT POLICY COMPLAINTS ARE HANDLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 6 14 0 2 1 6 14 0 2 3 AS INTERPRETED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
A NO INVESTIGATION NUMBER IS ASSIGNED TO INFORMATION RECEIVED IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION THAT DOES NOT MEET THE GUIDELINES FOR A FURTHER FULL INVESTIGATION.
SO WHEN I READ THIS, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
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HOW IED IS ASKED OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR TO GET AN OPINION ON THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T INVESTIGATE SOMETHING YOU HAVE INITIALLY NOT INVESTIGATED.MR. CHAIR IS, IS THERE A QUESTION IN THERE FOR ME? YEAH, I CANNOT UNDERSTAND.
SO IF YOU'RE ASKING YEAH, I'M ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN IT, PLEASE.
SO IF YOU'RE WANTING CLARIFICATION ON THE ORDINANCE, THEN I WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE INTERPRETATION ON WHEN AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION CAN BE CONDUCTED, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE I REFER TO, TO GET AN INTERPRETATION ON THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT WAS WRITTEN.
SO YES, IT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO ME.
AND THE WAY THAT I INTERPRETED ALSO IS THAT THE BOARD IS ABLE TO CONDUCT A FORMAL INVESTIGATION ONCE IAD HAS CONDUCTED AN INVESTIGATION.
UM, AND I WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER THE BOARD TO SPEAK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR AN INTERPRETATION ON THE CITY ORDINANCE.
IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MAJOR, IF I CAN.
FLOOR IS YOUR ALLEN FOR DISTRICT NINE.
MR. ALANISE, UH, BOARD MEMBER WADSWORTH JUST READ THAT IT IS THE POLICY OF IA TO INVESTIGATE EVERY CLAIM OF MISCONDUCT MADE BY A CITIZEN OR A RESIDENT OF DALLAS.
SO HOW DO WE HAVE A BUNCH OF NO INVESTIGATION NI CLAIMS? IS, IS IA NOT DOING THAT OR IS THERE SORT OF A, A DIFFERENCE IN DEFINITION HERE? OKAY.
SO WHEN WE ACCEPT THE COMPLAINT HERE, MAJOR ALLEN, REAL QUICK, IF I MAY JUST REAL QUICK, I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.
UM, SOME OF THESE LET, LET'S STAY ON THE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS INVESTIGATION? BECAUSE WHAT WE CAN DO IS, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION FOR LATER ON IN THE AGENDA WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHEN WE GO THROUGH OUR INVESTIGATIONS, THAT STATE NO, IAD INVESTIGATIONS DOES THAT, IS THAT OKAY? YOU CHERYL, RESERVE THAT FOR LATER.
MR. HIGGINS, ANY QUESTIONS? I AM GOOD.
ANYONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE YEAH, I, I I HAVE QUESTIONS.
JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
UM, SO IN LAYMAN'S TERM TO THE, TO THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR DPD, THEY GOT WRITTEN UP, CORRECT.
RECEIVED A WRITTEN REPRIMAND? YES.
THEY RECEIVED A WRITTEN REPRIMAND.
AND I, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE LEVELS OF THAT ARE.
IF, IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT WITH ME.
AND SO THEY ALSO WERE REFERRED TO SENSITIVITY TRAINING, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND, AND YOU CAN'T SHARE WITH THAT, OR YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SENSITIVITY TRAINING LOOKS LIKE, CORRECT? I DO NOT.
SO THE WRITEUP WILL BE A PART OF THEIR FILE.
IT'LL GO INTO THEIR FILE, CORRECT? IT WILL BE ON THEIR CONCISE ID RESUME? YES, SIR.
AND A LETTER WILL COME FROM YOUR OFFICE, BUT YOU CAN'T SHARE WITH US WHETHER THAT LETTER WILL BE AN APOLOGY OR IF THE POLICE CHIEF WILL EXTEND AN APOLOGY FOR THIS DISABLED VETERAN? I CANNOT SPEAK FOR CHIEF GARCIA.
WHAT ABOUT YOUR OFFICE? AGAIN, I'LL WORK WITH MY STAFF REGARDING THAT LETTER.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING LASTS? I DO NOT, SIR, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT TRAINING THEY WILL BE SUBJECTED TO.
UH, I'LL, I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I'LL HAVE SOME MORE STATEMENTS AND QUESTIONS LATER ON, BUT JUST KNOW THAT ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
ANY QUESTIONS? DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE LANDERS, ANY QUESTIONS?
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NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.OH, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FOUR.
ANY QUESTIONS? MA'AM? I THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
UH, MOVING ON TO, UH, ITEM THREE B, OUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA, DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
UM, ON MARCH 1ST, I HAD A MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA.
UH, DURING THAT MEETING, THE TOPICS DISCUSSED INCLUDED THE CITY OF DALLAS'S CHASE POLICY AND, UH, HIS THOUGHTS ON THAT POLICY.
UM, CHIEF GARCIA DID STATE THAT HE HAD CONCERNS, UM, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
UM, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE LETTER FROM THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED, UH, TO HIM, WHICH WAS, UH, SENT THE NEXT DAY.
UH, THEN WE ALSO DISCUSSED, UM, LET'S SEE, THE MEETING THAT WAS COMING, UM, FOR MARCH.
UH, CHIEF GARCIA WAS FIRST INVITED TO COME WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, UM, DIVISION TO DISCUSS THEIR ACTIONS OR THEIR INITIATIVES.
UM, IT WAS THEN LATER, UH, DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR HIM TO ATTEND THE APRIL MEETING BECAUSE IT IS SPRING BREAK.
THE CHAIR WAS NOT AVAILABLE AND, UM, THERE MAY BE MORE PARTICIPATION DURING THE APRIL MEETING.
AND THAT WAS THE CONCLUSION OF OUR MEETING FOR THE SUBSTANCE BOARD MEMBERS HERE AND ONLINE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WE DO HAVE ONE.
DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR FLOOR JUDGE, MA'AM.
MS. CHANDLER? I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT WERE THE CONCERNS THAT THE CHIEF EXPRESSED? UH, HE DIDN'T GO INTO DETAIL.
THE QUESTION WAS A QUESTION THAT I POSED.
UM, JUST IF HE HAD CONCERNS AND HE EXPRESSED THAT HE DID HAVE CONCERNS.
UM, BUT THERE WERE LIMITATIONS DUE TO STATE LAW.
UM, SO THAT WAS A MAJORITY OF THE CONVERSATION.
I'M SORRY, I, I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR IN YOUR ANSWER.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.
THE CONVERSATION WAS REGARDING THE, UH, CHASE POLICY AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, DPDI ASKED IF HE HAD ANY CONCERNS GIVEN, UM, NEWS REPORTS REGARDING CHASE'S IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
CHIEF GARCIA STATED THAT HE DID HAVE CONCERNS AND, UM, HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE LIMITATIONS BASED OFF OF STATE LAW, AND THAT WAS THE CONCLUSION OF THAT DISCUSSION.
BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE, ANY QUE OH, MR. MR. HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE HIGGINS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR.
NO, MY QUESTION WAS, UH, UH, UH, THE, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL REQUESTS FROM THIS BOARD SINCE I'VE BECOME A MEMBER.
I THINK THIS IS MY FOURTH, UH, BOARD MEETING.
UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE MADE OVER THAT TIME, AND I DON'T SEE ANY FOLLOW UP OR ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN STATED ABOUT THOSE REQUESTS.
UM, NUMBER ONE, WE REQUESTED, UH, TO SEE IF, UH, SOMEONE FROM IAD COULD ACTUALLY COME AND PRESENT IN A PUBLIC FORUM ABOUT THE IED PROCESS.
UH, THE GENERAL ORDERS PLUS THE, THE, THE, THE, THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.
THERE, THERE WAS THAT I, I DON'T WANT TO DEF DEFER US TOO FAR AWAY FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR AGENDA CHAIR, BUT I DO WANNA BRING THIS UP.
AND THIS IS MY THIRD MEETING, UH, BRINGING THIS UP AND THAT WE ASKED FOR THAT.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE CAN COME TO THE DPD HEADQUARTERS TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE IN A FORM THAT IT WILL BE RECORDED AND CAN BE MADE PUBLIC FOR THE PEOPLE TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT OVERSIGHT IS ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE POLICE ARE DOING.
UM, SO THAT REQUEST HAS NEVER BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, UPDATED ON, UM, DID YOU GUYS DISCUSS THAT? THAT'S ONE QUESTION.
UH, THE, THE OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT, UH, BEFORE YOU BECAME DIRECTOR, THERE WERE SEVERAL DATA REQUESTS
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FROM, UH, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT TO DPD TO CHIEF GARCIA.UM, ONE QUITE EXTENSIVE DATA REQUEST THAT WAS ASKED FOR FROM DIRECTOR MCCLARY NOT TOO LONG BEFORE, UM, SHE WAS, UH, SHE WAS, SHE LEFT, UH, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SPOKEN ON.
UM, THERE WERE MEETINGS, UH, WITH DPD, UH, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT AND LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE AND DALLAS ACTION, WHICH IS MY ORGANIZATION.
UH, THERE WERE MEETINGS ABOUT GETTING A REPRESENTATIVE THERE TO, TO DO THESE DATA REQUESTS.
AND I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT THIS BOARD HAS EXISTED, DPD HAS NEVER HONORED ONE DATA REQUEST FROM THIS BOARD OR THE OFFICE.
AND SO, UM, I I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, LIKE, HOW DO YOU COME ABOUT YOUR AGENDA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH, UH, CHIEF GARCIA? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY PRIMARILY OF CONCERN FOR SOME OF US ON THE BOARD NEVER MAKE IT TO THAT MEETING.
AND, AND SO I'M, I'M WONDERING HOW YOU, HOW YOU DO THAT AND HOW DO WE GET SOME ANSWERS FOR SOME LONGSTANDING PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, WITH, UH, TRANSPARENCY, OPENNESS AND, AND, UM, WITH DPD? THANK YOU MR. HIGGINS.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO, TO OFFER TO YOU REAL QUICK IS, UM, UM, IF YOU WOULD DOCUMENT WHAT YOU'VE REQUESTED, RIGHT? YES.
UM, DOCUMENT IT, SEND IT TO MYSELF AND THE CHAIR.
AND WE WILL COORDINATE WITH, UH, THE DIRECTOR TO GET THOSE ANSWERED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE B? MONTHLY MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA? CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN, UM, D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12? I HAD A QUESTION FOR OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR.
USUALLY THESE MEETINGS, WELL, THEY ALWAYS HAVE, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD IN 19, I JOINED THE BOARD IN OCTOBER OF 2019, UM, THAT WE HAD THE CHAIRMAN OR THE VICE CHAIRMAN IN ATTENDANCE WITH OUR DIRECTOR IN THE POLICE CHIEF.
WHAT HAPPENED THIS MONTH?
THERE'S A MEETING WITH, UH, THE CHIEF AND MYSELF, AND THEN THERE'S A MEETING ALSO WITH THE CHAIR, THE CHIEF, AND MYSELF.
AND WHEN WILL THAT ONE BE HAPPENING? WILL WE HAVE ONE THIS MONTH? UH, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.
BUT, UM, I'M SURE THERE'S ONE ON THE CALENDAR FOR THIS MONTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON ITEM THREE B? OKAY.
SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UH, GETTING YOUR KEYS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THOSE REQUESTS DOCUMENTED.
UH, BUT I, I DO THINK IT, IT IS FAIR THAT THE, THE INTERIM INTERIM DIRECTOR GIVE US AN ANSWER AS TO HOW SHE COMES UP WITH THE AGENDA FOR WHAT SHE DISCUSSED WITH THE CHIEF IN THESE MEETINGS.
UM, THE AGENDA FOR THE MEETING WITH CHIEF GARCIA AND MYSELF IS REALLY JUST BASED OFF OF TOPICS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN OUR OFFICE IN OCPO.
THE MEETING BETWEEN CHIEF GARCIA AND MYSELF ARE TO DISCUSS OCPO, UM, CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.
AND THEN THE MEETING BETWEEN, UH, THE CHIEF, MYSELF AND THE CHAIR, ARE TO DISCUSS A COMBINATION OF THOSE, UM, CONCERNS AND TOPICS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS DURING THAT MEETING.
I ALSO WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR FOR BOARD MEMBERS HERE AS WELL.
IS, UM, THIS DOESN'T JUST GO FROM MR. HIGGINS.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION THAT YOU WANT US TO ASK CHIEF GARCIA WHEN WE GO TO OUR MEETINGS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.
ALL I'M ASKING IS PLEASE SEND IT TO US IN AN EMAIL SO THAT WE HAVE IT, AND IT, WE DON'T GET IT LOST IN THE SHUFFLE THROUGH THE MINUTES.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE B? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE C.
CHAIRMAN'S LETTER TO CITY COUNCIL DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
UH, THE BOARD VOTED TO SEND A LETTER TO CHIEF GARCIA, AND THAT WAS, UH, DEVELOPED AND SENT ON MARCH THE SIXTH.
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CHIEF GARCIA, BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT AND ONLINE.DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE C? JUDGE LANDAIR, DISTRICT EIGHT? YES, SIR.
I'VE READ THROUGH THE, UH, LETTER THAT WAS SENT, AND I DON'T SEE ANY INDICATION AS TO WHEN A RESPONSE SHOULD BE SENT, IF THERE IS ONE.
IS THERE A RESPONSE REQUESTED? AND IF SO, WHEN THAT'S DIRECTED TO THE INTERIM DIRECTOR? UH, THIS LETTER WAS THROUGH THE CHAIR, UM, BY THE BOARD.
UM, HE DID RECEIVE ASSISTANCE WITH DRAFTING IT.
UM, SO WE DID ASSIST WITH STARTING THE LETTER, BUT HE REVIEWED AND MADE REVISIONS TO THE LETTER.
ALRIGHT, THEN I, I GUESS I'LL POINT IT OUT TO OUR, UH, VICE CHAIR THAT I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THIS LETTER WHERE IT'S ASKING FOR A RESPONSE.
UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN THE ONE TO ASSUME THAT IF YOU'RE SENDING A LETTER SUCH AS THIS, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND, UM, SO I WILL, I DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DRAFTING OF THAT LETTER, SO I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS ADD THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR THE CHAIR TO ADDRESS WITH THE BOARD.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE C? LETTER TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
DISTRICT FOUR, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MA'AM, SINCE WE NEGLECTED TO ASK FOR A RESPONSE.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE FITTING TO SEND A SECOND LETTER ASKING FOR A RESPONSE.
LAND DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE LAND DISTRICT EIGHT.
BASICALLY SAY WE, WE DID NOT ASK FOR A RESPONSE AT THAT TIME AND DID NOT GIVE YOU A DATE.
WE WOULD REQUEST A RESPONSE BY X DATE, ET CETERA.
AND REFER TO THE LETTER THAT WE SENT THE FIRST TIME.
SO THERE'S BEEN A MOTION BY DISTRICT FOUR.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR MOTION? CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? OF COURSE.
UH, THIS SEEMS AWFUL, UH, GRANULAR TO ME.
SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE ASK FOR, LIKE A MOTION TO DO THIS, WANTS TO DO THAT.
I WOULD THINK THAT THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR OR DIRECTORS SHOULD JUST DO THAT.
THEY DON'T NEED DIRECTION FROM US OR A MOTION THAT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE, UM, TOO NITTY GRITTY FOR MY SPACE.
I'M GONNA, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MOTION, I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT SETS THE WRONG PRECEDENT.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR, UM, THE CHAIR TO ASK THAT QUESTION DURING THE MARCH MEETING AS WELL.
SO, BUT I ALSO SEE DISTRICT FOUR'S, UM, POINT OF VIEW, HER PERSPECTIVE ON THE FACT THAT IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT MAY NOT GET DONE.
SO, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, I MOVE THAT WE SEND A FOLLOW UP LETTER ASKING FOR A RESPONSE TO OUR ORIGINAL LETTER.
JONATHAN MAPLES, NELSON ALLEN.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY SEEM GRANULAR, HOWEVER, LOOKING AT THE PATTERN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO SEND A LETTER SAYING THAT WE DO WANT SOME TYPE OF RESPONSE SO IT DOESN'T FALL BETWEEN THE CRACKS.
UM, I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE MOTIONS, UH, TO HAVE THINGS DONE, BUT, UH, AS HAS BEEN STATED, OUR HISTORY IS SUCH THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FORMAL FORMALITY, AND SO THEREFORE, I THINK THE MOTION IS NECESSARY.
DISTRICT 12, UM, D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12.
UM, SO THAT'S A MOTION FOR RESPONSE WITH THE DEADLINE.
DO WE WANNA DISCUSS THAT DEADLINE, OR ARE WE GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR? DO YOU WANNA AMEN? NO, I'M MEANT JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DEADLINE IN THE LETTER.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? SEEING NONE, SERGEANT HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE.
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BY OUR NEXT MEETING IS A, IS A REASONABLE DEADLINE.AND I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE, THE CHAIR CAN, CAN ADDRESS IN HIS LETTER.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
CAN YOU WELL, WE KNOW, ROGER THAT.
WE WILL SEND A LETTER, UM, REQUESTING A, UH, A RESPONSE WITH A DEADLINE BY THE NEXT MEETING.
NEXT, UH, AGENDA ITEM IS ITEM THREE DA STAFF UPDATE, DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS'S EFFORTS TO, UH, SEARCH FOR A DIRECTOR FOR COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, UH, FAILED.
UM, WE ARE NOW USING TWO SEARCH FIRMS TO FIND A APPROPRIATE, UM, FIT FOR THE DIRECTOR POSITION.
UM, OUR FIRST, UH, POSTING FOR THE JOB WAS ON JANUARY 25TH.
THE JOB ORIGINALLY POSTED THROUGH FEBRUARY THE 16TH.
OF THOSE APPLICANTS, 24 OF THE 133 APPLICANTS, UM, MET THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS OUT OF THOSE POSITIONS, I'M SORRY, OUT OF THOSE THAT APPLIED, UM, OF THE 24 APPLICANTS THAT APPLIED, THAT MET THOSE MINIMUM QUALIFICATION, THERE WERE ONLY A COUPLE OF, UM, UH, APPROPRIATE CANDIDATES IDENTIFIED.
THAT BEING SAID, UM, AGAIN, THE, UH, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE REACHED OUT TO TWO, UM, SEARCH FIRMS TO ASSIST WITH THE SEARCH.
UM, THOSE SEARCH FIRMS INCLUDE, INCLUDE, UH, POLLY HIRE AND, UM, MARSHA THOMPSON, WHO IS A SENIOR ADVISOR, UM, AND WILL ASSIST IN THE SEARCH.
UM, THE JOB WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED TO THE NACO WEBSITE AND THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, WEBSITE AS WELL AS LINKEDIN QUESTION.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WE DO HAVE ONE FROM DISTRICT, UH, 13.
UM, WHEN YOU SAY DIRECTOR, YOU MEAN THE MONITOR OR A PHYSICIAN YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? CORRECT.
AND WHEN YOU SAY, UM, ONLY TWO WERE APPROPRIATE, I THINK THAT WAS, WHAT WAS THAT YOUR WORDS? 24? NO, NO, NO.
UM, 24 MET THE QUALIFICATIONS.
AND THEN YOU SAID OF THOSE 24, ONLY TWO WERE DEEMED APPROPRIATE.
UM, THAT WAS WHAT I RECEIVED BACK, UH, FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
AND WHO MADE THE DECISION THAT ONLY TWO OUT OF 24 WERE APPROPRIATE? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY MANAGER, HE HIMSELF OR SOMEBODY UNDER HIM.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, I COULDN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO TOOK PART IN WHAT ROLE, UM, OF REVIEWING THE APPLICANT'S.
SO IF I TAKE IT BACK TO MAID, SORT OF THE FINAL CUT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WAS ENOUGH OF A CANDIDATE POOL TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.
THEY WANT IT TO HAVE MORE OF A CANDIDATE POOL.
AND SO THOSE CANDIDATES WILL STILL BE CONSIDERED BACK IN THE POOL? YES.
BUT THEY JUST WANNA ADD ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES TO THE POOL.
UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, DID YOU SAY IT WAS A HUNDRED INITIALLY? INITIALLY HOLD DISTRICT TWO.
I I'LL GO AFTER DISTRICT FLOOR IS YOURS.
SO MY QUESTION WAS, YOU SAID INITIALLY IT WAS OVER A HUNDRED MM-HMM.
THOSE TWO DIDN'T MEET WHATEVER THE FINAL CRITERIA
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WAS.AND SO THAT WRECK IS BEING OPENED UP AGAIN, AND THOSE TWO ARE GOING BACK IN.
SO THE TWO THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS POSSIBLE APPROPRIATE FITS MM-HMM.
IT'S JUST THAT TWO IS NOT ENOUGH.
THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FELT LIKE TWO CANDIDATES WASN'T, UM, A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS.
IF ANYONE WAS TO PULL OUT, REMOVE THEIR SELF FROM CANDIDACY, THEN YOU WOULD BE STUCK WITH JUST HAVING ONE.
SO THEY REACHED OUT TO THE SEARCH FIRMS TO ADD TO THE CANDIDATE POOL OF APPROPRIATE CANDIDATES.
IT WAS ALSO EXPLAINED TO US THAT WHEN A, WHEN A JOB IS OPEN WITH THE CITY, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THAT JOB GOES AWAY.
DOES THAT APPLY TO THIS POSITION AS WELL? UM, I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT EVER HAPPENING TO A DIRECTOR LEVEL POSITION.
IT'S USUALLY SUPPORT STAFF, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE AND ALL OFFICES AND DEPARTMENTS REQUIRE LEADERSHIP TO BE IN PLACE.
SO I COULDN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN, BUT I WOULDN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING TO THE DIRECTOR POSITION.
AGAIN, IT'S USUALLY JUST SUPPORT STAFF.
NEXT WE HAVE DISTRICT 14, AND THEN AFTER DISTRICT 14, WE'LL GO TO DISTRICT THREE.
UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
UM, MS. CHANDLER, I HATE THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO SPEAK FOR HR ON ALL THIS.
UM, AND, BUT, AND FOR THAT REASON, I HAD REACHED OUT TO, UM, THE CHAIR THIS WEEK TO SEE IF HE COULD REACH OUT TO YOU TO GET SOMEBODY FROM HR TO ATTEND THIS MEETING SO THAT WE COULD DIRECT THOSE QUESTIONS TO THEM.
IS ANYBODY FROM HR HERE OR DID THEY RESPOND TO THAT REQUEST? I RECEIVED THAT REQUEST YESTERDAY EVENING AROUND 7:00 PM SO BASED ON THE LATE NOTICE, UM, I WAS UNABLE TO SECURE ANYONE THAT WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENING.
UM, BUT THEY DID PROVIDE THE DETAILS.
AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT THEY DID ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
UM, HOW LONG IS THIS EXECUTIVE SEARCH GOING TO TAKE? DO WE KNOW? SO WE HAVE TWO SEARCH FIRMS. ONE OF THE, UM, FIRMS, UM, WELL, I GUESS TECHNICALLY WE HAVE ONE SEARCH FIRM AND ONE, UM, ADVISOR.
UM, THE ADVISOR IS MORE OF A HEAD HUNTER TYPE OF, UH, FIRM, IF YOU WILL.
AND, UM, THEY PROJECT A HUNDRED DAYS FOR A START, UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU 30 DAYS FOR THE SEARCH, 30 DAYS FOR THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
AND POSSIBLY, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE CANDIDATE MAY COME FROM, 30 DAYS FOR, UM, THAT PERSON TO EITHER RELOCATE OR RESIGN FROM A, A CURRENT POSITION.
THAT'S, I, I UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE OF THAT.
UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S, THAT'S WAY TOO LONG.
ACCORDING TO THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, THE CITY KNEW, OR, OR WAS IN TALKS WITH THE FORMER DIRECTOR FOR HER TO LEAVE LAST JULY.
SHE LEFT IN SEPTEMBER, THEY DIDN'T POST THE POSITION UNTIL JANUARY.
WE STILL DON'T HAVE A DIRECTOR.
NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE 133 APPLICANTS 24 MET REQUIREMENTS, AND THERE WERE TWO FINALISTS, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA EXTEND IT OUT ANOTHER A HUNDRED DAYS.
SO THAT'S THREE, THAT'S THREE, THREE AND A HALF MONTHS.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE COMING UP ON ALMOST A YEAR SINCE THE CITY KNEW THAT WE WERE NOT GONNA HAVE A DIRECTOR.
AND, AND MS. CHANDLER, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THAT'S YOUR FAULT OR ANYTHING, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
IT, IT'S VITAL THAT THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD HAVE AN OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WITH PERMANENT LEADERSHIP IN PLACE.
AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA GO NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR MINIMUM WITHOUT HAVING A DIRECTOR IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT, IT REALLY INHIBITS OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DISTRICT THREE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR.
UH, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO, UH, INTERIM DIRECTOR IS, UM, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON YOUR DEFINITION OF WHAT APPROPRIATE IS? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE CITY MANAGER, UH, IT, IT WAS THE CITY MANAGER'S CALL.
SO ARE WE ABLE TO, UH, TO, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CRITERIA WAS FOR, FOR THE OTHER APPLICANTS NOT BEING ABLE, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE CITY MANAGER IN THE LAST MEETING, HE GOT ON THE CALL AND SAID THE ONLY THE ONLY POSITION THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE ANY KIND TYPE OF SAY OR INPUT INTO WAS THE DIRECTOR POSITION IN THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.
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I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR FOR US TO SEE, TO GET SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTING OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE APPROPRIATE.AND WHILE THOSE 20, UH, 24, UH, OR WERE SCREENED OUT, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, UH, I ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHO'S IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, RIGHT? LIKE, WHO'S IN THAT CANDIDATE PROCESS, UM, UH, WHO GETS TO LOOK AT THE CANDIDATES? LIKE, DO, DO YOU KNOW THIS, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU ALSO HAVE A LONG TRACK RECORD IN HR, SO I'M, I'M WONDERING, LIKE, WHO, WHO IS REVIEWING THESE CANDIDATES? IS IT YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO, UM, FOR CIVIL SERVICE POSITIONS, THOSE GO THROUGH THE CIVIL SERVICE, UM, DEPARTMENT FOR NON-CIVIL SERVICE, WHICH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IS A NON-CIVIL SERVICE POSITION.
THEN THOSE CANDIDATES ARE SCREENED THROUGH HR TALENT.
AND THE 24 CANDIDATES THAT WERE DEEMED, UM, TO MEET THE CRITERIA SIMPLY MEAN THAT THEY MET THE CRITERIA.
AND IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE THAT MEET THE BASIC CRITERIA DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES.
IT JUST MEANS THAT BASED OFF OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION, THEY MEET THE BARE THE BASIC MINIMUM.
SO THAT COULD BE, UM, THEIR EDUCATION LEVEL, THEIR NUMBER OF YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVE PEOPLE THAT APPLY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, UM, OTHER AREAS THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
IN THIS CASE, IT MIGHT MOST LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE ON THE JOB DESCRIPTION IT SAID THAT NO LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, OR PREVIOUS FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS ELIGIBLE.
SO THEY WOULD'VE BEEN SCREENED, SCREENED OUT.
BUT THERE AGAIN, ARE INDIVIDUALS OF THE 24 THAT MAY HAVE MADE, MET THE VERY MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
BUT AGAIN, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE GOOD FITS FOR THE POSITION.
I WAS NOT PART OF THE PROCESS OF SCREENING THE CANDIDATES.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT, UM, THE TWO HAD THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER 22 THAT WERE NOT, UM, DEEMED AS GOOD CANDIDATES.
SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT.
SO OUR QUESTION IS, WE NEED TO DIRECT TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS, THIS PROCESS? CORRECT.
MR. HIGGINS, WE HAVE, UH, DISTRICT FOUR, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH FLOOR HERE.
SO, UM, COULD YOU TELL ME THE NAME OF THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER? KIMBERLY TOLBERT.
SO IF WE WANTED TO QUESTION THE PROCESS, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD DIRECT OUR QUESTIONS TO MS. TOLBERT AS OPPOSED TO MR. BROMACK SINCE NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU ON THIS SIDE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE? E OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD, DIRECTOR.
UH, ALSO, UM, AS AN UPDATE, THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR ROLE HAS BEEN APPROVED THROUGH THE CAF PROCESS, WHICH IS THE CLASSIFICATION ACTION FORM PROCESS.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, THE POSITION IS NOW IN PROCESS OF BEING POSTED, UM, FOR HIRE FOR THAT POSITION.
DID JONATHAN MAY POSITION TO, IS THAT THE POSITION THAT MR. WILLIAMS HELPED? CORRECT.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT UPDATE, UH, WE DO HAVE A NEW POLICY ANALYST THAT STARTED ON MONDAY, AND I WILL ALLOW HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE HERSELF.
BY THE WAY, IF YOU SEE MY NAME, IT IS O BASUI.
UM, I SPECIALIZE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND LEGISLATIVE POLICY, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.
IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE TEAM,
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AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HER AS WELL.UM, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING INTO, UM, HIRING A TEMPORARY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO ASSIST THE OFFICE WITH, UH, BOARD MATTERS.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR BRANDON, FREEDOM DISTRICT 14.
UH, ONE FOLLOW UP ON, ON THE ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS, UH, OUT OF WHOSE BUDGET IS THAT COMING? IS THAT COMING OUT OF THE OCPO BUDGET? THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD HR.
WHO PAYS FOR THAT? THAT QUESTION WAS NOT, UH, RESPONDED TO, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT COMES OUT OF O CPO'S BUDGET.
SO BECAUSE HR COULDN'T FIND ANYONE AND DIDN'T DO IT, DIDN'T CONDUCT AN EFFECTIVE SEARCH, IT'S NOW GOING TO CUT INTO THE OCPO BUDGET.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PRACTICE.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE PAYING FOR THE FACT THAT HR DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB.
THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
LET'S ALSO, LET'S ALSO LEARN MORE BECAUSE THIS IS BRAND NEW, RIGHT? WELL, MR. FROSTIER, I, I, I UNDERSTAND IT.
IT IS, BUT WHEN, WHEN THIS GOT, WHEN THIS POSITION WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED, HR POSTED THE WRONG JOB DESCRIPTION.
THAT WRONG JOB DESCRIPTION WAS UP FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, THEN THEY PULLED IT DOWN AND THEN THEY EXTENDED THE TIME.
THEN AFTER IT WAS UP FOR A MONTH, IT WENT ON LINKEDIN, WHEREVER ELSE IT WENT ON THE WEBSITE.
THEN THEY SAID WE COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY.
SO NOW IT'S GONNA COST OCPO AND THEREFORE THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY.
I WILL, I WILL ALSO ADD THAT JUST AS MANY UM, ENTITIES, THE HUMAN RESOURCE TALENT TEAM POSTS POSITIONS, AND THEY DO MARKET THOSE POSITIONS.
A SEARCH FIRM IS ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE.
SO THEY COLD CALL, UM, THEY SEARCH FOR PASSIVE CANDIDATES THAT MAY NOT BE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES.
WHEREAS WHEN YOU ARE WORKING, UM, ON A TALENT TEAM, YOU ARE MARKETING THE POSITION, BUT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE'S TALENTS AND INVITE THEM TO APPLY FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY IN THE SAME WAY THAT A SEARCH FIRM WOULD BE, UM, ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE INTERNAL TEAM VERSUS USING AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH TEAM.
YEAH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T DOUBT THAT EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM, I, I, THEY EXIST.
I MEAN, THEY EXIST FOR A REASON.
UM, BUT IT, IT SEEMS AS IF, IF WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA NEED THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT FROM THE START AND NOT LOST SEVERAL MONTHS OF THIS PROCESS.
DISTRICT 14, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, IF I MAY, JUST BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, CAN I ASK THAT WE JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE IMPACT TO OUR BUDGET REGARDING THIS, THE SEARCH AND, UH, WHATNOT, JUST SO WE CAN GET SOME DETAILS ON THAT? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM 3D STAFF UPDATE.
MR. MR. HIGGINS HAS HIS, HIS HAND UP UP THERE.
DISTRICT THREE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR? YES.
UH, SO DID THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR POSITION CHANGE? UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I HEARD THIS.
THIS IS A RUMOR, SO MAYBE YOU CAN VALIDATE THIS FOR ME OR NOT, BUT, UH, UH, UH, I WAS TOLD THAT BOARD CERTIFICATION WAS ADDED AS A, A QUALIFICATION TO THE DIRECTOR POSITION.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE, BUT I CAN'T CONFIRM.
I DON'T HAVE THE JOB DESCRIPTION IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS TRUE.
YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT AND PULL IT UP REALLY QUICKLY, BUT, UM, I COULDN'T BEFORE WE GOT TO, BECAUSE, UM, IN THE INITIAL, UH, SEARCH THAT RESULTED IN DIRECTOR MCCLARY BEING PUT HERE, THAT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UM, SENIOR MANAGER FORTUNE, UH, WAS, UH, WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE QUALIFICATIONS AND LIKE HE WAS TOLD THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT
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KIND OF WHITTLES DOWN OUR POOL OF POTENTIAL APPLICANTS DOWN TO LESS THAN 5% OF PEOP ATTORNEYS IN THE COUNTRY.AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TAKEN BACK.
SO I WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW IF THAT WAS VALIDATED.
CAN WE PLEASE GET THAT VALIDATED? I WOULD LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU SEND OUT A MEMO TO US, UH, TO, TO SEE IF THAT, I, I'M GONNA LOOK MYSELF, BUT I THINK FOR THE WHOLE BOARD WE NEED TO KNOW THAT, UM, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, UM, IN, IN MY RECOLLECTION, IT WAS A, A, IT WAS A QUALIFICATION THAT WAS A, LIKE TO HAVE, BUT NOT A, A HAVE TO HAVE QUALIFICATION.
I, I READ THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND, UM, AND BOARD CERTIFICATION IN CRIMINAL LAW WAS A, AN ADDED BENEFIT, BUT NOT A REQUIREMENT.
DISTRICT THREE AND DI DISTRICT NINE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR, UH, CLEARING THAT UP FOR US.
DI, DISTRICT TWO, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU SAID AND DIRECT INTERVIEW FOR SOMETHING YOU COULD HELP ME OUT WITH.
'CAUSE I, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON OUR BUDGET.
BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THESE TWO SEARCH FIRMS ARE CHARGING? I DON'T.
BUT IT IS GOING TO COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
UM, I HAVE NOT CONFIRMED AND THAT WILL BE A FOLLOW UP.
MAY I MAKE AN EXPRESSION? DISTRICT FOUR? YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
MA'AM, OUR OFFICE IS SO UNDERFUNDED AT THIS POINT, AND WE DO NO INVESTIGATION.
I, I'M REALLY SADDENED BY WHAT'S GOING ON.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE FULL COMPLIMENT OF THE OFFICE OF THE RESERVE SITE? HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU, HOW CAN YOU HAVE? UH, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.
UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR EMPLOYEES.
UM, WHEN I STARTED IN THE ROLE, WE HAD ONE EMPLOYEE.
UM, WE HOPE TO ADD THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WITHIN THE NEXT 60 DAYS.
AND THAT WILL COMPLETE ALL OF THE POSITIONS FOR OCPO, NOT INCLUDING THE DIRECTOR.
SO YOU HAVE FOUR POSITIONS PLUS THE DIRECTOR, CORRECT.
THAT'S NOT FILLED, BUT CURRENTLY, SO YOU HAVE FIVE POSITIONS, RIGHT? PLUS THE, A DIRECTOR TOTAL OF SIX.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF DISTURBING TO ME AS WELL BECAUSE, UH, HAVING LOOKED AT, UM, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT OFFICERS IN OTHER CITIES, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THEY GOT A LOT OF MONEY.
SECOND OF ALL, THEY HAVE A LOT OF OVERSIGHT.
AND THIRD, THEY HAVE A LOT OF STAFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S WONDERFUL TO BE A DIRECTOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DIRECT.
AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT, THAT, UM, LAST YEAR, THIS OFFICE DID NOT SPEND NEARLY ALL OF THEIR MONEY.
AND IN ORDER FOR US TO GROW AS AN OFFICE, WE HAVE TO EFFECTIVELY USE THAT FUNDING IN ORDER TO ASK FOR MORE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ONLINE OR THOSE PRESENT IN THE ROOM? SEEING NONE.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE.
E-C-P-O-B SUMMIT DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
UH, WE ARE PLANNING, UH, THE SUMMIT FOR APRIL THE 20TH, OR APRIL THE 27TH.
UH, OCPO IS STILL WORKING ON SECURING A LOCATION, BUT IS LEANING TOWARD THE BLACK ACADEMY OF ARTS AND LETTERS.
UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE BOARD, UM, AS WE PROGRESS.
WE HAVE, UH, TOWARD THE FACILITY.
UH, I THINK IT WAS, UM, UH, YESTERDAY AND, UM, ARE WORKING TOWARDS, UH, SECURING A DATE.
I BELIEVE WE ARE LEANING TOWARD APRIL THE 27TH, UM, IF I MAY.
MM-HMM,
SO THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WORK.
UM, I GOT A CONFLICT ON THE 27TH AS WELL, SO I MAY BE ABLE TO COME FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I DEFINITELY KNOW THE 20TH WE'LL ALL BE
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AT A LUNCHEON.OH, SHOULD THEY? AND, UH, UN UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE HAD A CONFLICT FOR THE 27TH SINCE LAST YEAR.
THE FOURTH SUN SATURDAY IN APRIL.
I AM COMMITTED FOR THE NEXT DURATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? WHO ELSE WE GOT? OH, DISTRICT THREE.
SO I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE 27TH AS WELL.
WE DID SEND OUT, UM, UH, INFORMATION REQUESTING, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD.
UH, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT APPEARS THAT A FEW PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IF YOU ALL RESPONDED TO THE, UM, REQUEST FOR INFORMATION REGARDING AVAILABILITY, BUT WE WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND CHAIRMAN, I'LL BE OUTTA TOWN ON BOTH DATES.
DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT, UH, EIGHT.
I MIGHT AS WELL THROW MY HAT INTO THIS RING.
FIVE CONFLICTS ON BOTH THE 20TH AND THE 27TH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON, UH, THE CPOB SUMMIT? UH, YES.
UM, SO, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'S AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IN LIGHT OF
I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE OFFICE SETTING UP OUR RETREAT.
UM, I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, I FEEL AS IF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VERY COMPETENT, THOUGHTFUL, WELL-MEANING PEOPLE AROUND THIS, IN THIS BOARD, UM, THAT CAN ORGANIZE WHAT OUR SUMMIT RETREAT, WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO BE CALLING THIS TO.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, FOR ME PERSONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE OFFICE AND THE INTERIM DIRECTOR SHOULD BE LEADING OR EVEN FACILITATING HOW WE DO OUR, HOW WE DO OUR RETREAT SLASH SUMMIT.
UM, I WOULD, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT AND WORK ON DURING THIS TIME.
UM, ONCE WE GET A DATE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN BE THERE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT, MR. HIGGINS.
UM, I JUST WANT TO COME OUT AND SAY THAT THESE, UH, RETREATS, WHEN WE HAVE A QUORUM OF MEMBERS IS AN OPEN MEETING.
THERE ARE NOTES THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN AND WE HAVE A STAFF THAT DOES THAT.
SO THAT IS WHY THEY FACILITATE IT AND THEY SCHEDULE IT.
UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.
BUT TO SAY THAT, THAT THIS BOARD IS GOING TO GATHER PRI PRIVATELY OUTSIDE OF AND, AND VIOLATE TEXAS OPENS ACT, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD, SIR.
SO ALL, ALL I'M SAYING IS, UM, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK THAT, UM, AND I, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT, THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE INPUT AS WELL AS ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
SO, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT OUR BOARD MEMBERS FORWARD TO THE CHAIR AND MYSELF AND THE DIRECTOR, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THIS CPOB SUMMIT SO THAT WAY WE CAN TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT.
BUT THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT OUR OFFICE IS FOR DISTRICT FOUR.
CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP JUST FOR THE RECORD? FOR THE RECORD, CAN I FOLLOW UP MR. MR. HIGGINS? WOULD YOU MIND IF I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE YOU SAY, WELL, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP? 'CAUSE I NEVER IMPLIED THAT THIS NEED TO BE A PRIVATE MEETING.
I, I, I NEVER IMPLIED THAT I, I SAID THAT WE NEED TO LEAD THE ORGANIZATION OF THIS MEETING.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE, THE, THE OFFICE CAN'T STILL HANDLE LOGISTICS AND, AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.
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NEED TO LEAD THE DIRECTION OF WHAT THIS SUMMIT AND WE CAN, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT WITH SAYING THAT WE, OUR BOARD MEMBERS WILL MAKE INPUT IN, IN THE PAST WE DISCUSSED IT WITHIN THESE CHAMBERS AND WE'VE OUTLINED WHAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH, THE PURPOSE, WHAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH.AND WE, WE CHOSE SEVERAL DATES IN ADVANCE AND IT WASN'T A LAST MINUTE DECISION.
YOU KNOW, I'M A VERY BUSY PERSON AND I NEED NOTICE, YOU CAN'T ASK ME 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE TO GIVE UP A SATURDAY.
DISTRICT FOUR, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND, AND WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT, OF THAT AS WELL.
SO WHAT I'D ASK IS, UM, DIRECTOR, IF YOU COULD COME OUT WITH A, MAYBE NOT AN APRIL TIMEFRAME, BUT MAYBE WE LOOK AT A JULY, AUGUST, MAYBE WE DO IT DURING COUNCIL RECESS.
WE TRY TO, WE TRY TO MATCH COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL'S SCHEDULE.
BUT IN THIS, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS ITEM, I THINK, UH, THAT'LL GIVE EVERYONE ENOUGH TIME.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO IS FIRST START WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR MONTH.
WHAT, WHAT MONTH WORKS BEST FOR EVERYONE, AND THEN WE CAN WHITTLE DOWN ON THE DAYS.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD BE JULY.
AND YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT IN JULY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BUMP INTO JULY 4TH.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A WEEK THAT'S GONE.
SO, UM, AUGUST IS WHEN SCHOOL STARTING, OR SEPTEMBER IS WHEN SCHOOL STARTS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME, UH, SOME WIGGLE ROOM.
BUT DIRECTOR, I JUST ASK THAT WE PUSH THAT A LITTLE BIT JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEAD TIME ON THAT.
HAS ANYONE, ANYONE THOUGHT OF THE SECOND TUESDAY IN JULY? YEAH, AND JULY.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'S COUNCIL RECESS.
SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING IF EVERYONE'S AVAILABLE.
SO WE CAN DO A JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME AND SEE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR EVERYBODY.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, WE INDICATE WHAT SATURDAY WERE AVAILABLE IN THE MONTHS OF JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST.
AND THEN, UH, HAVE THE DIRECTOR TO WEDDLE THAT TOGETHER AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT.
SO WHEN WE SEND OUT THIS, UH, EMAIL FOR COORDINATION, IF WE COULD SEND IT TO THE CITY EMAIL THAT EVERYONE HAS AS WELL AS THEIR PERSONAL EMAIL, UM, THAT THEY HAVE ON FILE WITH THE CITY.
THAT WAY NOBODY, THAT WAY NOBODY MISSES THE EMAIL.
BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS END UP COMING BACK INTO A MEETING AND GOING, I DIDN'T SEE IT, OR I DIDN'T GET THAT EMAIL.
DOES ANYONE CHECK THEIR CITY EMAIL? BECAUSE I BELIEVE ALL THE EMAILS THAT WE SEND OUT GO TO BOTH BECAUSE THERE'S 36 MEMBERS AT 30 SOMETHING MEMBERS.
SO I ASSUME THAT THAT INCLUDES YOUR PERSONAL AND YOUR CITY OF DALLAS EMAIL.
I AM RECEIVING EMAILS ON MY PERSONAL EMAIL.
HOW DO WE ACCESS THAT? IS THAT, IS THAT ON THE CITY WEBSITE? GOOGLE IT.
UH, JAMES SENT OUT EMAILS TO ALL YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
UM, WITH YOUR CITY OF DALLAS, EMAIL NAME, USERNAME, AND THE PASSWORD.
UM, BUT IF YOU NEED ACCESS ACCESSING IT, OR IF YOU WANT US TO RESEND THOSE, UM, EMAILS OUT, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO.
I NEED, IF YOU COULD PLEASE SEND IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE, E-C-P-O-B SUMMIT? UM, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
WOULD THE BOARD PREFER, UM, THAT REQUEST FOR DATES TO BE SENT OUT AGAIN IN A SURVEY FORMAT, OR DID, WAS THAT ACCEPTABLE FOR EVERYONE? OKAY.
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THREE E OH, MR. HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE, SIR, I THOUGHT THE SURVEY WAS GOOD.
SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE F, WHICH IS COMMUNITY OUTREACH IN 2024, UH, BY COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALIST KEVIN WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS, DO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR?
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NOT ONLINE.MR. WILLIAMS, ARE YOU ON LINE? I BELIEVE HE'S ON THE WAY DOWN, MR. CHAIR.
UM, THE DPT MONTHLY ARREST DATA, AGAIN, THIS IS PROVIDED BY, UM, THE PUBLIC SAFE TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE FROM DPD.
IF EVERYBODY WOULD JUST REVIEW THAT AND, UH, JUST BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR DISTRICTS.
AS, AS I LOOK AT, AS I LOOK DISTRICT TWO.
UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
AS, AS I LOOK AT THIS AND I LOOK AT IT EVERY SINGLE MONTH, THERE'S THIS ONE GLARING THING THAT ALWAYS JUMPS OUT AT ME, AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE I'M BLACK, BUT HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY TYPE OF STUDY OR CAN WE REQUEST ANY TYPE OF STUDY TO TELL US WHY THAT NUMBER IS SO ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH? I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT FOR ME.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A STUDY, AGAIN, THIS IS PROVIDED TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, AND SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON THAT DATA TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD.
UM, I THINK THAT'D BE A, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WHY NOT? WHY NOT KNOW WHAT'S, AND DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATIONS OF WHY IT'S SO HIGH? YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? UH, WELL, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO SHARE SOME OF THE WORK THAT OCPO HAS BEEN DOING IN THE OFFICE, WHICH INCLUDES REACHING OUT TO, UM, LOCAL UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES.
UM, WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED A TARGETED, UM, UH, RESEARCH CAMPAIGN, BUT, UM, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS AS WELL AS DALLAS COLLEGE.
AND WE WERE, UM, LOOKING FOR CONTACTS FOR PAUL QUINN, UM, COLLEGE TO INITIATE A, UM, A RESEARCH DATA PROJECT.
AGAIN, THE PROJECT HASN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED AS TO WHAT IT SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE, BUT SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
WE WOULD BE TAKING, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARD ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT, UM, WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND INVOLVE THEM IN SOME OF THE WORK THAT OCPO IS DOING.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND I PROBABLY CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S VITAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY VITAL.
I HAPPEN TO BE A PROFESSOR AT PAUL QUINN COLLEGE, SO I THINK I MIGHT BE ABLE TO POINT YOU TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO FROM PAUL QUIN, OUTSTANDING DISTRICT FOUR, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH ON THE FLOOR.
WELL, UM, CONDUCTING A STUDY IS GREAT.
HOW IS IT GONNA BE FUNDED? BECAUSE I WORK, I WORK IN A COLLEGE AND I'VE BEEN WORKING IN COLLEGES FOR, UH, QUITE SOME TIME, YOU KNOW, OVER A DECADE.
AND IF IT'S NOT FUNDED, HOW HOW'S IT GONNA HAPPEN? WE'RE STILL IN THE EXPLORATORY STAGES OF THIS AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
AND SO AS WE GET FURTHER IN THE PROCESS, UH, WE WILL KEEP, UM, THE OFFICE OR THE BOARD UPDATED.
MAYBE WE CAN SPEND SOME OF THAT MONEY WE DIDN'T SPEND LAST YEAR,
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE? F UH, DISTRICT THREE? SEAN? HI.
UM, SO, UH, TO BOARD MEMBER MAPLES, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE OCPO HAS ACTUALLY
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PUBLISHED CO-PUBLISHED A COUPLE OF REPORTS ON ARREST, PARTICULARLY MISDEMEANOR ARRESTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.UH, THEY PARTNER WITH THE LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE EDUCATION FUND, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PREMIER CIVIL RIGHTS SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY.
UH, MY ORGANIZATION, DALLAS ACTION, UM, BEFORE I WAS A BOARD MEMBER, UH, HELPED, HELPED TO PUBLISH THOSE REPORTS ABOUT MISDEMEANOR ARREST THAT, UM, WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO OVER.
AND, AND, AND IN OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, AS A PART OF THOSE REPORTS, WE, UH, HAD SEVERAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UH, SMUD LAW CENTER, UM, AND OTHERS ACROSS THE CITY, UM, AND IN THE STATE TO GET THE DATA TO CREATE THOSE REPORTS.
SO, LIKE THERE IS A TRACK RECORD AND THERE ARE RELATIONSHIPS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT THAT, UM, IF DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND HER STAFF WOULD, UH, REACH OUT TO ME, WE CAN, UM, WE CAN, UH, BE SURE TO CONTINUE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS TO BE ABLE TO DO RESEARCH.
AND, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING, THESE ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HELPED TO FUND THOSE STUDIES.
SO IT DIDN'T COME OUT OF THE OVERSIGHT OFFICERS BUDGET.
UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, MR. HIGGINS, CAN YOU SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME? YES, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM 3G? THE PUBLICATION THAT, UM, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS IS TALKING ABOUT IS FANTASTIC.
UM, IT COMES FROM OUR OFFICE, OR NOT THAT ANY, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT, AND MUCH OF THAT OFFICE IS STILL AROUND TO REMEMBER THAT WE PUBLISHED SOMETHING, BUT ALSO, UM, I MEAN, IT IS ALARMING, BUT NO MORE ALARMING THAN THE NUMBERS THAT WE GET IN THIS BRIEFING EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
IT'S THE EXACT SAME DATA AND IT PUTS IT TOGETHER.
BUT I, I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE QUESTION NEEDS TO BE, NOT JUST WHY ARE THE NUMBERS LIKE THAT, BUT WHAT CAN BE DONE? BECAUSE I THINK THAT ANY OF US WHO HAVE PICKED UP A BOOK IN THE LAST 400 YEARS OF HISTORY UNDERSTANDS WHY THE NUMBERS ARE LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING COLLECTIVE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM 3G? SEEING NONE, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO ITEM THREE F COMMUNITY OUTREACH IN 2024 BY COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALIST.
KEVIN WILLIAMS. SIR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M KEVIN, A WILLIAMS SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
UM, WE KICK OFF OUR CAMPAIGN FOR, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH AND, UM, I'LL START OFF BY ENLISTING THE GOALS OF THE OFFICE.
UM, THE FIRST IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF OUTREACH AND EDUCATION EFFORTS BY THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OUTREACH MANAGER AND THE HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES FROM 12 TO 25 BY MAY, 2024.
I'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS IF YOU LIKE.
TWO, TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS OF COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS SERVING AS OCPO COMPLAINT INTAKE SITES FROM ZERO TO 20 BY DECEMBER, 2027.
THREE, TO INCREASE PARTNERSHIPS WITH ORGANIZATIONS SERVING YOUTH AND YOUNG ADULTS AS OCPO COMPLAINANT INTAKE SITES IN HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
FOUR, TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS SERVING L-G-B-T-Q RESIDENTS AND HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED AREAS, COMMUNITIES SERVING, UM, AS AN OCPO COMPLAINT INTAKE SITE.
SO WHAT WE'RE DEVELOPING IS INTAKE SITES.
SO, UM, OUR CITIZENS CAN GO TO ANY OF THESE, UM, UPCOMING, UM, SITES, WHETHER IT'S RECREATIONAL FACILITIES OR LIBRARIES OR OTHER, UM, FACILITIES THAT WE ARE, UM, CREATING TO GET TO.
SO WE CAN MAKE THOSE SITES WHERE YOU CAN SIGN UP OR YOU CAN GET OUR INFORMATION IMMEDIATELY.
UM, NUMBER FIVE IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS SERVING SENIOR RESIDENTS AND EQUITY AND PRIORITY ERRORS AND ALL AS OCPO COMPLAINT INTAKE SITES.
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AND THE SIXTH GOAL IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS SERVING IMMIGRANT RESIDENTS, SERVING AS OCPO SITES AND EQUITY AND PO EXCUSE ME.SO THE, THE FIRST, UM, STARTING THE YEAR AND DOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST PERSONS THAT I TALKED TO ON THE BOARD WAS MR. JONATHAN MAPLES.
AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW MR. JONATHAN MAPLES, YOU NEED TO GET TO KNOW MR. JONATHAN MAPLES, 'CAUSE HE'S EVERYWHERE.
UM, ALL OUTREACH, UM, FACILITIES KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF SO FAR IN THIS, IN THESE 40 DAYS OR SO.
UM, EVERYBODY KNOWS JONATHAN MAPLES.
AND SIMPLE FACT IS, IS 'CAUSE HE'S OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY, HE'S OUT PARTICULARLY EVERY EVENT THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO, REAL BRIEFLY, IN, UM, IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY, JANUARY, WE DID, UH, UH, DISTRICT SEVEN, UM, MARTIN LUTHER KING PARADE, AND I HAVE A FEW PICTURES FROM THAT.
THIS IS MR. MAPLES AND, AND A GENTLEMAN, UM, I'M NOT SURE OF HIS NAME, MR. MAPLES, BUT I'M, I'M SURE YOU KNOW THAT'S WILLIS JOHNSON, MR. WILLIS JOHNSON.
AND, UM, MR. MAPLE REGULAR ATTENDS THE MARTIN LUTHER KING PARADE AND ASKED THE OFFICE TO ATTEND THIS 2024 PARADE ON SATURDAY, JANUARY 20TH AT THE STATE FAIR PARKING LOT.
UM, THE DAY STARTED AT 17 DEGREES, REMEMBER IT WAS COLD THEN 17 DEGREES OUTSIDE.
MR. JONATHAN MAPLES AND FAMILY, UM, SHOWED UP AND WE, UM, WE WERE IN THE PARADE RIGHT BEHIND THE CORVETTE LINE.
AND, UM, DURING THIS PARADE, WE, UM, WE HANDED OUT SUPPLIES, OCPO INFORMATION AS WE WALKED DOWN THE STREET, MR. MR. MAPLES AND FAMILY PROVIDED, UM, SOME, BASICALLY SOME, SOME FOOD AND WATER BUBBLE GUN FOR THE KIDS, UM, WATER FOR PARTICIPANTS OUT THERE AND SOME OF THE, UM, OFFICERS WHO WERE OUT THERE ATTENDING THE PARADE AND, UM, MANAGING THE PARADE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, MR. MAPLES IS OUT, UM, DOING HIS THING.
HE KNOWS PRETTY MUCH EVERY OFFICER ON THE ROUTE, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, WE PROVIDED OFFICERS WITH WATER AND ALSO, UM, JUST A QUESTION AND ANSWERING, UM, SESSION IF THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OCPO AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
MOST OFFICERS, UM, THAT WE ENCOUNTER WERE IN FAVOR OR JUST WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT OUR PROGRAM IS DOING.
AND SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY MISSION TO GO OUT, UM, AND TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW AND COMMUNITIES KNOW WHAT OUR OFFICE AND OUR BOARD DOES.
SO, UM, REALLY LIKE TO APPRECIATE, UM, GIVE THANKS TO MR. MAPLES.
I HAVE MORE PICTURES, BUT I JUST COULDN'T GET 'EM ALL UPLOADED.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, UM, BEING OUT THERE.
AND LIKE I SAID, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY COLD OUT THERE, BUT WE GOT THE JOB DONE.
WE, UM, WE HANDED OUT BASICALLY OUR, UM, OUR INFORMATION, UM, STATEMENTS ABOUT OUR PROGRAM HERE.
AND ALSO, LIKE I SAID, ANY QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED OR ANSWERED, THEN WE, WE WILL STAY RIGHT THERE AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND WE WILL BE ATTENDING THE PARADE NEXT YEAR.
SO OUR, OUR SECOND EVENT FOR THE YEAR, AND THIS COMES THROUGH BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
THIS IS, UM, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CAROL ARNOLDS FOURTH ANNUAL SENIOR VALENTINE'S LUNCH.
SO RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IMMEDIATELY GETTING TO THE SENIORS ON, UM, IN OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS.
AND THIS WAS HELD AT, UM, AKA WILLIAMS RECREATION CENTER.
UM, I WAS ASKED BY HER ASSISTANT, MR. PHIL FOSTER TO ATTEND AND BRING, UM, OUR, WE HAVE A, A SPIN WHEEL WITH, UM, AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY ON IT, AND WE HAVE A TABLE LINED UP THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY ME IN THE FAR LEFT CORNER OVER THERE, UM, SPINNING THE WHEEL.
AND THAT WHEEL WAS BEING SPINNED AS WE ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION ABOUT OVERSIGHT.
AND ONCE THEY, UM, I GUESS GET THE, UM, RIGHT QUESTION, RIGHT, THEN WE WOULD GIVE THEM, UM, ONE OF OUR GIFTS THAT WE HAVE THERE, WHICH IS A BOOKLET.
UM, ALSO, UM, UH, THE BASIC OVERSIGHT INFORMATION FROM HOW TO FILE A COMPLAINT TO HOW TO GIVE AN ACCOMMODATION TO OFFICER.
AND ALSO, UM, SOME OF THE STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN TO, UM, PRODUCE, UM, OUR SERVICES.
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SHE'S VERY, YES, SHE'S ACTIVE.SO WE ALSO HAVE THE SOUTH CENTRAL, UM, POLICE NE THE NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICERS SHOW UP AND THEY PROVIDED, UH, NOT JUST SECURITY FOR THE AREA, UM, WHICH IS OUTSTANDING, BUT ALSO, UM, POSITIVE INTERACTIONS.
AND YES, A FEW OF 'EM DID SPEND A BLACK HISTORY WHEEL TO GET SOME INFORMATION TO SEE IF THEY, THEY KNEW A FEW THINGS.
UM, UM, THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT WE WERE DOING.
UM, ALL FOUR OFFICERS, UM, STOPPED BY THE TABLE AND ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OVERSIGHT AND, UM, HOW IS OVERSIGHT WORKING AND, AND TO BE, HOW CAN WE BE INVOLVED IN THAT OR NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS THEY MIGHT HAVE HEARD.
SO WE WANT TO CLEAR UP SOME OF THOSE, THOSE ISSUES OF WHAT THEY WERE THINKING.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT OUR OFFICE DOES.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS A NICE GOOD SESSION.
TALKING TO THE OFFICERS THERE AND THE SOUTH CENTRAL OFFICERS, UM, FOR, FOR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE AWESOME.
THEY, THEY, THEY REALLY PROVIDE THE REC CENTERS AND THE AREAS FOR SECURITY.
EVERYBODY FEELS SAFE THERE AND THEY'RE VERY PERSONAL AND ENGAGING.
SO HERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROUD FOR DISTRICT FOUR.
WE HAVE A DANCE AND DIVAS OVER THERE ON THE FAR LEFT.
AND AS WE, AS I MOVED AROUND THE TABLES TO GIVE INFORMATION TO, TO ALL THE PARTICIPANTS THERE.
AND SO, OUR THIRD EVENT, 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN PRETTY BUSY THIS MONTH.
IT'S A BLACK HISTORY EVENT, UM, CELEBRATING, UM, THE CELEBRATING OF, EXCUSE ME, WE CELEBRATING MAYOR PRO TIM'S, UM, COMMUNITY LEADERS.
AND SO WE HAD 12 LEADERS THAT WERE BEING, UM, HONORED HERE.
FROM FOR MAYOR PRO, TIM TENNELL ATKINS IN DISTRICT EIGHT.
AND, UM, I, I WILL GO BRIEFLY OVER THE HONOR HONOREES AND MY GLASSES ARE NOT DOING ANY GOOD.
HERE WE HAVE MR. ALBERT, FOREIGN HONORABLE TELLING, FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND PRESIDENT OF MULTIFLEX INCORPORATED, MS. BRENDA JACKSON, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF CUSTOMER OFFICER OF HAVE MR. JOHNNY KING, JR.
THE PRESIDENT OF KING DUKE, INCORPORATED.
DEL KING, VICE PRESIDENT OF KING GROUP, INCORPORATED.
CURTIS KING, FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF BLACK ACADEMY AND ART AND LETTER.
WE HAVE RONALD PARIS, OWNER AND CEO OF PARIS RESTAURANT, LT D EVER.
LYNN A WILLIAMS PRESIDENT AND CEO OF ENTERPRISE INCORPORATED.
LUC WILLIAMS WILLIAMS, FOUNDER AND CHAIRMAN OF BOARD OFTA ENTERPRISES, AND OF COURSE, THE EVER POPULAR MR. WILLIAMS, FOUNDER AND CO-FOUNDER OF NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THIS IS A TABLE THAT WE SET UP, UM, FOR, UM, OUR, OUR MERCHANDISE.
BASICALLY OUR, OUR PROMOTIONAL GIFTS FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
WE HAVE THE SPINNING WHEEL RIGHT THERE FOR THE SPINNING WHEEL GAME, SO YOU CAN, UM, SPIN THE WHEEL AND SEE THE KIND OF HISTORY THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW AND LEARN SOMETHING OF THE DAY.
STANDING NEXT TO ME IS MAJOR CHRIS JAQUEZ, AND HE'S THE MAJOR OF SOUTH CENTRAL, UM, COMMUNITY, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO WHAT HE DOES AND HIS UNIT COMES OUT TO ALL THE EVENTS AND, UM, HE WAS VERY HELPFUL THERE AND ALSO VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHERE WE NEED TO GET OUT TO AS A BOARD AND NOT JUST AS A BOARD, BUT WHERE MR. WILLIAMS NEEDS TO GET OUT TO.
SO I'VE, I'VE LINED A A LOT OF MEETINGS UP WITH HIM SO WE CAN BE RIGHT ALONG WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS THERE WHEN THEY'RE SERVING.
SO THIS WAS EXCELLENT, UM, EXCELLENT EVENT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE SERVED OVER, UM, 125 THERE.
UM, MOST OF OUR, UM, CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE, WE HAD COUPLE, EXCUSE ME, A COUPLE COUNCIL PEOPLE THERE.
AND, UH, IT WAS AN AWESOME EVENT.
SOME OF THE ARTWORK WAS, UM, WAS THERE FOR SALE AND ALSO FOR VIEWERS.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR FOURTH EVENT FOR THE MONTH.
AND THIS IS A MONTH SERVING YOU THIS, THIS EVENT SERVED YOU.
SO IT'S A BLACK HISTORY MONTH SERVING YOU OKAY.
AND A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT OPEN MIC.
SO BASICALLY YOU COME TO SINGING HILLS RECREATION CENTER THAT HAS A STUDIO, AND,
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UM, THEY'RE PUTTING ON THESE EVENTS FOR YOUTH TO COME AND RECORD THEIR, THEIR SONGS, THEIR POEMS. AND I WAS INVITED TO COME BACK TO SINGING HILLS, UM, DURING THIS CELEBRATION.AND SO THIS IS, THIS WAS DONE BY MAYOR PRO TEM 10 AXON AND A LOT OF THE YOUTH AND FAMILY.
SO MOST OF THE YOUTH IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR EVENT WERE SPEAKING OR ON THE MIC.
AND THE PARENTS, UM, WERE GETTING, GETTING THEIR OCPO INFORMATION.
SO WHEN THEY COME TO MY SPINNING WHEEL, THEY, THEY, THE YOUTH WOULD SPIN, THEY WOULD GET A BOOKLET AND SOME INFORMATION AND SOME WRITING MATERIALS, EDUCATIONAL WRITING MATERIALS, AND THEN THEIR PARENTS WOULD GET THE ENVELOPE OR, UM, ABOUT OUR PROGRAM HERE.
UM, THE MISSION STATEMENT AS WELL AS THE APPLICATION OF HOW TO FILE, UM, A COMPLAINT OR ACCOMMODATION FOR AN OFFICER.
AND WE ALSO, WE HAVE, UM, OF COURSE OUR DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS THERE ALL THE TIME AND BEING VERY, UM, ENGAGING.
AND ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE CARE PACKAGE THAT WAS GIVEN OUT TO THE HONOREES AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ON THE TABLE TO BE PASSED OUT.
AND, AND GIVEN TO THE, UM, ATTENDEES IN THE FAR LEFT CORNER, WE HAVE, UM, A, UM, A DRUM, UM, MASTER WHO, WHO'S COME FROM, I BELIEVE CAMEROON TO TEACH DRUMS TO ALL YOUTH AS WELL AS ADULTS THERE.
AND WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME OUT THERE.
AND SO I'M BEING CHALLENGED RIGHT HERE BY YOUTH ALREADY.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MR. KING RIGHT THERE, STANDING IN FRONT OF ME.
MR. KING STOOD IN FRONT OF THAT, THAT SPINNING WHEEL, AND HE WAS DETERMINED TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION THAT, THAT I HAD ON MY CARD,
AND ALSO, UM, HE, HE LIKED THE GIVE OUTS.
SO HE WAS VERY, VERY, JUST, MR. KING WAS MY PARTNER THAT DAY.
WHEREVER I WENT, MR. KING WAS GOING.
UM, HE WAS VERY HELPFUL IN PASSING OUT FLYERS AND ANYTHING HE WANTED TO DO THERE, HE JUST WANTED TO BE HELPFUL.
SO SHOUT OUT GOES TO MR. KING.
AND SO I WANNA GIVE A THANK YOU.
AND ALSO THIS IS WHAT, UM, OUR STAND LOOKS LIKE AT SINGING HILLS RECREATION CENTER.
WE HAVE OUR, OUR APPLICATIONS FOR COMPLAINTS, AS WELL AS THE MISSION STATEMENT FOR OUR COMPLAINTS AND WHO TO CONTACT.
SO THE STAFF THERE, WE HAVE A COUPLE STAFF THERE.
AND SHOUT OUT GOES TO, TO BRIAN PARKS, WHO'S THE SUPERVISOR FOR THE, UM, REC CENTER FOR SENIOR HILLS REC CENTER.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE A SPECIAL, UM, SHOUT OUT AND THANK YOU TO DISTRICT TWO, MR. JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT FOUR MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR PROTE, CAROL KING ARNOLD, AND, AND HER ASSISTANT.
MR. PHIL FOSTER, DISTRICT EIGHT MAYOR PRO TEMP TENNELL ATKINS AND STAFF PERSISTENT CHAIS AND DENITA MULLER, HIAWATHA WILLIAMS RECREATION CENTER AND STAFF.
LINDA REDMOND, SENIOR HILLS CENTER SUPERVISOR BRIAN PARKER AND STAFF DO POLICE DEPARTMENT MAJOR JAQUE AND SERGEANT GRANBERRY AND DPD SOUTH CENTRAL NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE, UM, OFFICERS.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S MY INFORMATION WHERE I CAN BE REACHED.
ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
MR. WILLIAMS. I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANNA TELL YOU, THANK YOU.
THIS IS A GREAT PRESENTATION, UH, GETTING OUT INTO DISTRICT TWO WITH OUR BOARD MEMBER, UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, THAT THAT LOOKED LIKE A LOT OF FUN AND IT DID LOOK COLD
WERE YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO ATTEND THAT EVENT? NO, I HAD, I HAD, UH, APPOINTMENTS THAT DAY.
YEAH, BUT PHIL, IF THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW PHIL FOSTER SERVED ON THIS BOARD FOR YES, HE DID.
AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE MR. HIGH WITH HIGH, THE WILLIAMS. UM, I, I'M A, UH, I'M A BROTHER OF HIS, UH, IN THE EAST DALLAS EXCHANGE CLUB, SO I'M REALLY, REALLY HAPPY TO SEE HIM THERE.
UM, I WAS AT HIS RECREATION CENTER RENAMING, YES.
UM, LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
I MIGHT HAVE NOT HAVE BEEN LAST YEAR.
UM, AND THEN, UH, FINALLY DISTRICT EIGHT.
SO JUST REALLY, REALLY GREAT TO SEE THE OFFICE OUT AND ABOUT.
UM, I'VE ASKED, I'VE ASKED THAT OUR BOARD MEMBERS BE, UM, BE NOTIFIED SO THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR DOING THAT.
I, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
DISTRICT TWO, I SEE YOUR LIGHT ON.
UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
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YOU.UM, IN MY LIFE AWAY FROM HERE, I'M A PROJECT MANAGER AND MY, AND I MANAGE PROJECT PROJECTS, BUT MY AREA OF SPECIALTY IS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
AND I ENGAGE THE PUBLIC IN SO MANY WAYS THAT I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT COUNT 'EM.
I'M, I SIT ON SO MANY BOARDS, I'M ENGAGED WITH SO MANY THINGS BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I LIVE A LIFE, A LIFE OF SERVICE.
SO I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GIVE BACK.
UM, THE KING PARADE, I'M GLAD YOU CAN MAKE IT THIS SATURDAY, IS THE ST.
PATRICK'S DAY PARADE ON GREENVILLE AVENUE.
AND AGAIN, THE MAPLES FOUNDATION, ALONG WITH THE ELM THICK AT NORTH PARK, WILL BE IN THAT PARADE.
SO IF ANYBODY'S LOOKING FOR ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, IT WON'T BE COLD, BUT IT WILL BE A PARTY WITH THE PURPOSE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SWAG YOU GOT OVER THERE IN THAT OFFICE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE BIGGEST PARADE IN NORTH TEXAS.
SO IT IS A GOOD TIME TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC.
UM, THAT, THAT, UH, PICTURE YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE IN MY ROLE IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF CLIENTS THAT I SEND 10 90 NINES OUT TO FILL UP THEIR BOARDS JUST LIKE THAT, TO LEAVE INFORMATION.
AND YOU COULD DO THAT AT EVERY SINGLE RECREATION CENTER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TABLES FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
THAT'S JUST A LITTLE NUGGET FOR YOU THERE, SO YOU CAN GET THINGS OUT.
AND IF, IF IT'S TOO MUCH GROUND TO COVER, I'M IN TWO DISTRICT, DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT ASSIST.
THAT'S ABOUT EIGHT RECREATION CENTERS.
YOU GET ME THE INFORMATION, I'LL GET IT TO THE REC CENTERS.
DISTRICT SIX, AND HE'S IN DISTRICT SIX AS WELL.
SO YOU GET UP, GET US, GET US THE INFORMATION.
WE'LL GET IT OUT TO, TO, UH, I'LL BE VISITING YOU THIS WEEK, SIR.
AND, AND, AND LASTLY, ONE LAST THING.
IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE ST.
PATRICK'S DAY PARADE, WHICH WILL BE THIS MONTH IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE COME OUT TO THE ELM THICK AT NOR PARK JUNETEENTH EVENT JUNE 15TH.
YOU SAY YOU NEED EXTRA TIME, THAT THAT'S EXTRA TIME.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND EVERYTHING IS FREE.
JUNE 15, SIR, AND THANK YOU AGAIN.
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT.
ANY, ANY FELLOW COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ONLINE OR PRESENT IN THE ROOM? UH, CH UH, MR. HIGGINS, UH, DISTRICT THREE.
I, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK MR. WILLIAMS FOR GETTING OUT THERE.
I MEAN, ONE THING, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I'M OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, I'M TALKING, PEOPLE REALLY DON'T KNOW, DON'T KNOW THAT THE OFFICER, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT AND THE BOARD EXISTS LARGELY.
UM, SO THIS IS MUCH APPRECIATED AND, AND, AND, AND A MUCH NEEDED COMPONENT, UH, OF, OF WHAT WE DO AND, AND THE PEOPLE WHO DO.
AND THEN THERE ARE A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHO WE ARE TOO, AS A BOARD IN THE OFFICE.
SOME PEOPLE LITERALLY THINK WE ARE PART OF IAD IN DPD.
AND SO, UM, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU'RE OUT THERE, UH, DOING THIS WORK.
AND, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, GETTING TOGETHER WITH YOU ON DISTRICT THREE AND SOME THINGS THERE.
I MEAN, AS Y'ALL KNOW, DONELLE LANE IS IN LIVES IN DISTRICT THREE, UH, WITH CITY COUNCILMAN OVER DISTRICT THREE, UH, IS REALLY PERSONALLY KIND OF INVESTED IN, IN HIS CASE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO SOME COMMUNITY CENTERS IN THAT AREA, UM, TO TALK TO SOME PEOPLE ABOUT, UH, POLICE OVERSIGHT, WHAT WE, WHAT, WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS, UH, THE CRITICAL SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED ON WHEATLAND ROAD DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
DURING THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, THERE WAS ONE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING ON FEBRUARY THE 11TH OF 2024.
AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OCCURRED ON THE 2,900 BLOCK OF WEST WHEATLAND ROAD.
AT APPROXIMATELY 12:37 AM UM, IN A LOCAL OFFICE SPACE, THE SUSPECT REGINALD CURRY AND HORACE WILLIAMS ARE ALLEGED TO HAVE ENTERED A GAMING ROOM WITH, I SHOULD SAY, UM, AN ALLEGED
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ILLEGAL GAMING ROOM WITH MULTIPLE WEAPONS IN AN ATTEMPT TO FORCE THE OPERATOR AND PATRONS TO GIVE THEM, UH, CASH.WHEN POLICE ARRIVED ON SCENE, THE FIRST SUSPECT, MR. CURRY EXITED THE ESTABLISHMENT, POLICE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AND GAVE COMMANDS TO THE SUSPECT.
THE SUSPECT THEN BRANDISHED A FIREARM AND FIRED SEVERAL ROUNDS AT POLICE OFFICERS.
THE OFFICERS TOOK COVER AND BEGAN RETURNING FIRE.
WHILE THE SUSPECT BEGAN TO EVADE POLICE ON FOOT.
THE SUSPECT CONTINUED IN THE FIRE EXCHANGE WITH POLICE TAKING COVER BEHIND VEHICLES IN THE PARKING LOT WHILE THE SUSPECT WAS ENGAGED.
UM, IN THE FIRE EXCHANGE, OTHER FIREARMS FELL FROM THE SUSPECT'S POCKETS.
THE SUSPECT ATTEMPTED TO ESCAPE BY RUNNING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT WHILE STILL RUNNING TO ENGAGE, UM, IN THE FIREFIGHT, AND STILL ENGAGING IN THE FIREFIGHT.
OFFICERS STRUCK THE SUSPECT IN THE LEG AND THE CHEST.
THE SUSPECT FINALLY COLLAPSED IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE AT AN ARBY'S.
OFFICERS APPROACHED DISARMED THE SUSPECT, UM, WHO WAS RESPONSIVE AND PLACED HIM UNDER ARREST.
UPON PLACING THE SUSPECT UNDER ARREST, THE OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY BEGAN PROVIDING MEDICAL AID.
UM, WHILE OFFICERS WERE IN PURSUIT OF THE FIRST SUSPECT.
POLICE, UM, DASH CAM CAPTURED THE SECOND SUSPECT, MR. WILLIAMS, UM, WHO ESCAPED ON FOOT THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
UM, THE FOLLOWING DAY, MR. WILLIAMS WAS ARRESTED BY POLICE, UM, FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE ALLEGED ARMED ROBBERY.
AND MR. WILLIAMS IS GOING TO PLAY, UH, THE VIDEO CLIP.
ONCE HE ARRIVES BACK INTO THE OFFICE FROM DEPUTY TERRANCE ROSE OF THE DALLAS POLICE, HER CONTINUED INVESTIGATION UNIT, ADDITIONAL CHARGES AND ARRESTS ARE POSSIBLE.
THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS NOTIFIED AND RESPONDED TO THE SCENE AND WILL CONDUCT THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION.
THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WAS NOTIFIED IN AN EFFORT TO BE TRANSPARENT.
THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RELEASED IN THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE OF THE INCIDENT AND SAW AN OPEN BACK DOOR.
IS IT? YOU GOT SOMEBODY COMING OUT THE BACK.
HEY, ARE Y'ALL BEING ROBBED? YEAH.
THEY'RE BEING, THEY'RE BEING ROBBED.
ADVISED THAT THEY'RE BEING ROBBED.
CHARLIE 7 2 3 IS IN THE PARKING LOT.
HE'S ABOUT TO, HE'S BEHIND A TRUCK.
HEAVY SET COMING UP BEHIND FOR ME.
HE'S BEHIND THE TRUCK SOMEWHERE.
HE'S RUNNING TOWARD OF THE TACO BELL.
IT'S GONNA BE A HEAVY SET BLACK MALE AND A BLACK HOODIE.
HE IS ARMED AND HE IS SHOOTING.
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BE OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW.THAT HAVE SUFFICIENT GOING SEVEN.
CAN YOU SEE HIS HANDS? THING GOT HIT HIM.
WHERE ARE YOU HITTING MAN? MY SON.
WHERE'D YOU GET SHOT AT? IN MY LEG.
MY CAR, SON OF, I THINK I MIGHT SIT UP.
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MR. BEFORE WE START.GET ON THE GROUND THE F*****G HEAD.
PUT YOUR HANDS WHERE WE CAN CONCEAL 'EM NOW.
PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK NOW.
HEY, PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK NOW.
KEEP 'EM WHERE WE CAN SEE 'EM.
DO NOT MOVE HIS HANDS ON THE BACK.
DON'T YOU F*****G I GOT FOOL GOT SHOT.
WAYNE, GO AHEAD AND START ON BFR.
WHERE'D YOU GET SHOT AT? IN MY LAYING IN MYSELF.
HEY, PAT 'EM DOWN REAL QUICK, MAN.
MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THE WEAPONS, BRO.
BEFORE WE START ANY KIND OF MEDICAL OR SOMETHING.
HEY, WHEN DFR GET HERE, CAN ONE OF Y'ALL GOT HIM IN? I GOT ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE IT.
GET A GUN TO ONE OF THEM, BRO.
CAN ONE OF Y'ALL CLEAR THE GUN AND MAKE IT SAFE FOR RUNNING FOR ME? WHERE YOU HIT, MAN? IN MY LEG.
WHICH ONE? THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
AH, IS IT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
YOU GOT HIM HERE? THIS ONE HERE, BRO.
PUT IT HOT, PUT A TRY ON, LET BACK UP.
HEY, ALL THE OFFICERS ARE SIX, RIGHT? YES.
KEEP ON, KEEP ON, KEEP PULLING.
SHOW ME YOUR F*****G GET BACK IN.
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HERE? STAY ON LINE WITH THEM, BRO.THAT THE BULLET GO RIGHT PAST MY HEAD.
GET OUTTA GRAB F*****G GET OUTTA THE F*****G GRAB.
DON'T YOU F*****G MOVE, CHARLIE.
THIS COUNTY 7 23 INSIDE OUT WITH YOU, BRO.
HEY, PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK.
NOW DON'T GET F*****G MOVE MAN.
IT'S GONNA BE A HEAVY SET, BLACKMAIL.
HOLD IT PEOPLE WHERE WE CAN SEE 'EM, WE WILL SHOOT AGAIN.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE H, DISTRICT 14.
DISTRICT 14, BRANDON FRIEDMAN.
UM, THIS, THIS IS, I DON'T THINK A MAJOR DEAL.
A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENS, UM, IN THE CHAOS OF A SHOOTOUT, BUT I I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO NOTE THE, UH, THE CONFLICTING COMMANDS GIVEN BY DPD.
UH, PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK.
THAT'S, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF VIDEOS AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, PEOPLE GETTING SHOT WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY RECEIVE CONFLICTING, UH, COMMANDS FROM POLICE OFFICERS.
SO I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT, THAT THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT TO, TO YOU HATE TO SECOND GUESS PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, EVERYBODY'S EXPERIENCING THEIR OWN EVENT AS PART OF THE FIREFIGHT.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT IS AN ISSUE AND WE'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE.
UM, SO ANYTIME WE CAN NOT HAVE THAT, IT'S BETTER.
DISTRICT TWO, UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
I'M SURE THIS WILL GO DOWN IN THE BOOKS AS A, AS A CLEAN SHOOT.
UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T.
UM, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF CONCERNED ME.
THIS WAS ON, UH, SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 11TH, APPROXIMATELY 1237 IN THE EVENING, IN, IN A SHOPPING CENTER.
BUT THE THING THAT CONCERNED ME THE MOST WAS THE AMOUNT OF CROSSFIRE.
I MEAN, THEY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY STARTED FIRING, THEY JUST, EVEN IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE, WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY WAS GOING ON, THEY JUST STARTED LIGHTENING IT UP.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD HAVE BEEN SITTING IN A CAR OR FLEEING THE ROBBERY, BUT, UM, AGAIN, THIS I'M SURE TO GO DOWN AS A CLEAN, UH, SHOOT, BUT THAT THE AMOUNT OF CROSSFIRES IS, IS WHAT CONCERNED ME.
AND, AND WE SAW IN THE LAST VIDEO, ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS, WAS LETTING THE OTHER OFFICER KNOW, HEY, CAREFUL OF THE CROSSFIRE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ONLINE OR FROM FELLOW MEMBERS IN THE ROOM? OKAY, SEEING NONE.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT.
UH, INTAKE SPECIALIST JAMES GRIFFIN, MR. GRIFFIN FLOORS.
YOURS, MR. CHAIR FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.
UH, OCPO PROCESS, THE 30, 30 COMPLAINTS FOR O FOR THE OFFICE, FOR, FOR OCPO, UH, ALL OF THOSE COMPLAINTS AND, AND LISTED WITH THE OUTCOME, ALONG WITH ALSO ANY, ANYTHING, ANY OF THE ONES THAT WE WERE MONITORING OR, UH, DIVISION REFERRALS OR INVESTIGATIONS.
AND, UH, AT THIS TIME, I DID NOW TURN IT OVER TO YOU GUYS FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS.
I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO REVIEW.
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THESE ARE 30 COMPLAINTS THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS ALREADY LOOKED AT.SAY THEY CAN PASS 'EM DOWN TO US.
UH, EVERY, EVERY COMPLAINT GETS LOOKED AT BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND IT COMES TO US.
THESE 30 HERE THAT I LISTED ARE THE ONES THAT ORIGINATED IN OUR OFFICE AND I FORWARDED TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO LOOK AT, BUT THEY GOT FORWARDED TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS AS WELL.
AND, AND THEN WE HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING TO DISCUSS, TO DISCUSS THAT.
OKAY, SO, SO, SO WHAT I HEARD WAS YOU SHARING THIS WITH US AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE SHARING IT WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THEN YOU HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING TO TALK ABOUT 'EM.
SO WE RECEIVED THE COMPLAINTS AND WE REVIEW THEM ON A WEEKLY BASIS AND HAVE THAT WEEKLY MEETING.
SO BY THE TIME YOU SEE THE COMPLAINTS, WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THE, THE VIDEO, UM, BODY-WORN CAMERA.
WE'VE ALREADY ASSESSED IT AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH IAD AND NOW WE'RE BRINGING IT TO THE BOARD TO SHOW THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY FOR THE MONTH OF FEB, FEBRUARY FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD REVIEWED IN THAT MONTH THAT CAME TO OCPO.
SO THESE ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT WERE MADE TO OUR OFFICE.
SO, TO GO BACK TO MY FIRST QUESTION THERE, ALREADY, IAD APPROVED FOR US TO SEE, WELL, YOU WOULD RECEIVE, YOU WOULD RE UH, RECEIVE THEM ANYWAY.
THERE'S NO APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR WHAT COMES TO OUR OFFICE, OKAY.
FOR YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT WAS RECEIVED AND REVIEWED IN OUR OFFICE.
AH, AH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GETTING CONFUSED.
SO IF IAD SAID NO INVESTIGATION, THEN WE COULDN'T DO AN INVESTIGATION.
RIGHT? BUT YOU STILL ARE GONNA SEE, BUT WE STILL GET TO SEE IT.
ALRIGHT, I'M, I'M GONNA HOLD ON RIGHT THERE.
UH, DISTRICT SIX, SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY SAID NO INVESTIGATION, THEY WON'T DO ONE, BUT WE STILL GET A CHANCE TO, 'CAUSE THIS IS, I'M STILL NEW AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO OF, OF THESE 30 OR SO, UM, WE SHOULD EXPECT THAT WE'LL PROBABLY GET SOME OF THESE TO VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANT TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.
SO TO AN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TO ANSWER THAT.
SO ONCE WE, ONCE, ONCE IT IS PART OF THE PROCESS, WHEN THE COMPLAINTS GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM, AND I A D'S CONDUCTED IT, IF IAD CONDUCTS AN INVESTIGATION AT THE WAY, AND THEN ONCE THE INVESTIGATION IS, HAS COMPLETED, THEN THEN AT THAT POINT, THE, THE CITIZEN HAS A RIGHT TO THEN SUBMIT A REVIEW FORM TO OUR OFFICE.
THEN WE WOULD THEN BRING THAT TO YOU FOR REVIEW.
BUT AFTER THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE, IF THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION AND THEN THEY DETERMINE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED FORWARD AFTER THE INVESTIGATION, THEN WE, WE WOULD SUBMIT IT TO YOU GUYS FOR REVIEW.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IN THE MONTH OF MARCH, WE HAD RECEIVED A, UM, COMPLAINT THAT CAME THROUGH.
THAT WAS A INVESTIGATION BY, UM, IAD THAT WE WOULD REVIEW IN THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE ANY FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.
UM, YEAH, I'M JUST, AND THAT MAY BE THE CASE THAT THAT'S FINE.
WE USED TO GET, YOU KNOW, TWO TO FOUR A MONTH AND THEN WE HAD, BUT THEN WE JUST STOPPED GETTING THEM.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, AND THEN, UH, JUST TO GO BACK TO THE, TO THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAD WITH, UH, THE, WHETHER WE CAN INVESTIGATE A NO, A NO INVESTIGATION DETERMINATION, UM, WE WERE TOLD, UH, LAST MONTH BY THE CITY MANAGER, THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO BRIEF US ON THAT THIS MONTH.
SO WE ARE GOING, WE ARE PLANNING FOR THE APRIL MEETING TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO, UH, READ OUT ON PROCESSES RELATED TO, UM, THE, UH, THE BOARD PROCESS AS WELL AS, UM, OR, UH, THE BOARD'S AUTHORITY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE ORDINANCE, UM, AND OTHER MATTERS RELATED TO THE BOARD.
SO THAT WILL OCCUR, UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, CHIEF GARCIA WILL BE, UM, IN THE MEETING IN APRIL.
AND THEN THERE WAS A PREVIOUS QUESTION, UM, BY BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS REGARDING, UM, THE SOP FOR IED, AND THAT'S PLANNED FOR THE APRIL MEETING AS WELL.
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OKAY.CHAIRMAN, A QUESTION D 12, A QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT AGENDA FOR MR. HIGGINS.
WE'LL COME TO YOU AS SOON AS, UH, UM, MS. WADSWORTH.
ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU VICE CHAIRMAN.
SO MY, UM, QUESTION TO YOU, INTERIM DIRECTOR IS WHEN YOU LIST THE COMPLAINTS THAT COME DIRECTLY TO YOUR OFFICE, UM, AND YOU SAY ON HERE THAT, UH, YOU REVIEWED IT OR YOUR OFFICE REVIEWED IT, COULD YOU STIPULATE ON EACH ONE OF THESE THAT BODY CAM WAS REVIEWED? YES.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US.
SO WE WOULD KNOW IF WE HAD A QUESTION, IF THAT WAS AVAILABLE.
I THINK IT, FOR ME, IT RELATES BACK TO WHAT MAJOR ALANEE SAID EARLIER THAT, UH, IED MISSED THE BODY WARM CAMERA ON THE, UM, LANE INCIDENT.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THESE, YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THE BODY CAM.
UM, JAMES CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT HE SPENDS MANY HOURS FROM EIGHT TO FIVE REVIEWING BODY WORN CAMERA, ONLY TAKING BREAKS TO STEP AWAY FROM THE CAMERA, UM, OR THE VIDEO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DOES, UM, ALL DAY.
AND HE DOES CONSULT WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE OFFICE.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT MAY BE QUESTIONABLE, UM, MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE LOOK AT IT TO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON, UM, IF IT'S A POSSIBLE VIOLATION OR SHOULD JUST BE ADDRESSED, JUST BE, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE OF THE APPEARANCE.
AND, AND IF, IF I WOULD, I COULD JUST ADD SOME CLARIFICATION AS PART OF MY PROCESS WHEN I, I RECEIVE A LIST OF COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN THERE FROM EITHER OUR OFFICE BY EMAIL WITH, UH, OR FROM DPD.
I LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE COMPLAINTS AND THEN I ASSIST THEM AND I HAVE A TRIAGE WHERE I LOOK AT THEM AND I MAKE KIND OF MY OWN BASIC DETERMINATION.
AND I KEEP A SPREADSHEET THAT DETERMINES, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT, WHAT MY FINDINGS IN THERE.
AND THEN I, ANYTHING WHERE THERE'S BODY WORN CAMERA THAT IS APPLICABLE, THEN I, I WATCH AND I SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS WATCHING VIDEOS.
UM, IT IS, IT'S NOT, IT'S PHYSICALLY NOT POSSIBLE WITH BEING ONE PERSON FOR ME TO REVIEW EVERY MINUTE OF VIDEO FOOTAGE FOR EVERY CASE THAT I SEE.
BUT I DO TRY TO SORT THROUGH AND, AND THEN TRIAGE.
AND WHAT'S THE MOST PERTINENT WAS TO SPEND HOURS DOING THAT.
AND IF I NOTICE ANYTHING, THEN I HAVE, I WILL PULL OTHER, OTHER MEMBERS IN THE OFFICE OF MS. CHANDLER, UH, MS. CLARK TO, UM, ASSIST ME TO LOOK AT A VIDEO IF I HAVE QUESTIONS OR DOUBT, BUT TO MAKE OUR INITIAL DETERMINATION THAT WE KEEP TRACK OF.
AND THEN EVERY WEDNESDAY I HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING WITH DPD AND IN THE FOLLOW UP MEETING, WE GO OVER NOT ONLY THE CASES THAT COME IN FROM OUR OFFICE, BUT ALSO ALL OF THE ONES THAT CAME IN THROUGH INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
SO WHILE THESE 30 COMPLAINTS SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT'S LIKE MAYBE ONE, YOU KNOW, OVER A MONTH PERIOD THAT, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL 'CAUSE WE GET A LOT MORE COMPLAINTS THAT COME THROUGH IAD AND THEIR PROCESS THAT I AM, AM REVIEWING AS WELL.
UM, BASICALLY THIS WAS SINGLED OUT.
WE HAD PUT SINGLED OUT AND SET ASIDE TO PUT LIST THE 30 COMPLAINTS THAT WE RECEIVED DIRECTLY, JUST SO THAT BECAUSE WE RECEIVED THEM.
AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE.
AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE A NOTE OF THE ONES THAT I RECEIVED BODY-WORN CAMERA WATCH FOR, FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
ANY ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? WE HAVE ONE, UH, YES.
UH, DISTRICT THREE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
DID YOU NOT ASK TO, UH, TO SPEAK? NO.
DISTRICT FOUR, UH, DISTRICT 12, 12.
UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR, UH, COMPLAINTS HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERA? DO YOU HAVE AN EVEN A GUESSTIMATE? UH, PRETTY MUCH, UH, DEPENDING ON THE INCIDENT THAT I CAN FIND A GOOD, MOST OF THEM DO, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
BUT A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THEM DO HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERA.
SO YOU WOULD SAY MORE THAN THE KEY POINT IS WHEN WE GET THE, WHAT IS THE VIS NET AND ALL OF THE THINGS BACK FROM DPD THAT OUTLINE THE COMPLAINT, THAT HAVE THE, UM, THE CASE NUMBER AND THE INCIDENT NUMBER, THEN I CAN USE THAT INFORMATION TO GO INTO AND, AND TRACK AND FIND I'M, I'M GETTING BETTER AT IT AND I'M, AND I CAN FIND PRETTY MUCH IF NEEDED, I CAN FIND MOST BODY-WORN CAMERA AND REVIEW FOR THE, SO SO YOU FIND THE BODY-WORN CAMERA ON YOUR OWN? YES, I DO.
I I HAVE ACCESS AND I, AND, AND I PULL THE BODY-WORN CAMERA WHEN THEY, WHEN NEEDED TO REVIEW FOR YES.
AND, AND JUST, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I THINK YOU SAID THIS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECT,
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YOU'RE REVIEWING EVERY COMPLAINT, WHETHER IT'S FILED WITH DIRECTLY WITH DPD OR WITH OUR OFFICE? THAT IS CORRECT.AND ON AVERAGE? UH, ON AVERAGE IS PROBABLY, I, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST 40 COMPLAINTS A WEEK THAT, THAT ARE LOOKED AT.
AND OF THOSE 40 COMPLAINTS ON AVERAGE, I'D SAY 10 TO 15 REQUIRE EXTENSIVE LOOKING AT BODY-WORN CAMERA.
AND THEN IF IT'S A HUGE INCIDENT, IT MAY BE MULTIPLE OFFICERS WITH MULTIPLE TIMES AND, AND HOURS AND, UH, FOOTAGE TO WATCH.
SO, BUT, SO I HAVE TO PRIORITIZE AND SO, BUT, BUT I DO THE BEST I CAN AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, UH, DISTRICT TWO, IF I MAY.
DISTRICT TWO, UM, YOU SAID 40 A WEEK? YES, SIR.
AND IF I MAY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, THAT'S 160 A MONTH? THAT IS CORRECT.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE, SO TRIAGE IS A CRITICAL WORD FOR PEOPLE WITH MEDICAL BACKGROUNDS, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I'M, AND THEN WE WHITTLE DOWN TO 30, RIGHT? WELL, NO, THESE 30, WERE ALL OF, ALL OF THE, THESE 30 WERE THE ONES THAT WERE FILED WITH OUR OFFICE DIRECTLY.
THAT DID NOT ORIGINATE, THAT DIDN'T, THAT DID NOT ORIGINATE WITH DPD THROUGH THEIR INTERNAL SYSTEM.
SO, SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE FILED WITH OUR OFFICE DIRECTLY.
AND THEN ALSO THE ONES THAT ORIGINATE WITH DPD AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS, I ALSO REVIEW THOSE AS WELL.
MAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK.
I, I COMMEND YOU ON DOING ALL THAT WORK.
AND, UM, MS. CHANDLER, ONE THING YOU SAID IS THE NEXT MEETING, THE CHIEF WILL BE HERE, SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY, WE'LL TALK ABOUT DETAILS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT.
MR. RIVAS, THIS, THIS, THIS IS THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT EMAIL THAT CAME OUT.
'CAUSE THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME THINGS MAY HAVE CHANGED OR THE BELIEF THAT SOME THINGS CHANGED, RIGHT.
OR WERE MISSING AND THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE, UM, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANYTHING THAT HAS CHANGED, BUT, OKAY.
WELL, MR. MR. HIGGINS UP THERE SAYING IN THE ORDINANCE RULES, THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAS CHANGED.
UH, TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAS CHANGED IN THE ORDINANCE.
I, I'M, I'M, I, I ALSO COMMEND YOU FOR ALL OF THE RESEARCH TIME THAT YOU HAVE SPENT.
UM, BUT I'M STILL VERY UNEASY THAT WE JUMPED FROM FOUR OR FIVE COMPLAINTS A MONTH TO ZERO.
SO I'M WONDERING IF IN THE REVIEW PROCESS OR THE MULTIPLE PERSONS BEING CONSULTED, SOME COMPLAINTS SHOULD HAVE COME TO THE BOARD.
MR. DOC, MR. CHAIRMAN, DR. GILBERT SMITH.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? 'CAUSE I MEAN, WELL, LIKE WHAT YOU MEAN IN THE PAST MEAN BY, IN, IN THE PAST, OKAY, THIS BOARD HAS REVIEWED THREE, FOUR COMPLAINTS A MONTH, AND NOW WE GET ZERO.
DID HAVE, DID WE HAVE A COMPLAINT THAT WE REVIEWED? AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S WHITTLED DOWN TO THAT NUMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T GET AS MANY COMPLAINTS OR IF SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED IN THE PROCESS THAT IS PREVENTING THOSE COMPLAINTS FROM COMING TO THE BOARD.
CAN I, CAN I JUST, DAVID KITTER DISTRICT 13, JUST A QUICK, 'CAUSE I'M, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE INCEPTION AND UM, I ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT, UM, THE COMPLAINANT IF DISSATISFIED WITH THE OUTCOME, COULD APPEAL TO US TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
UM, APPARENTLY THAT IS IN FACT STILL OKAY IF THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION.
NOW, WHAT I'D ALSO UNDERSTOOD WAS THAT OUR PRIOR MONITOR BELIEVED ON HER OWN, THAT IF SHE WANTED TO QUESTION SOMETHING, SHE COULD BRING IT TO US.
UH, THAT WAS THE TWO WAYS THAT WE GOT, UH, MATTERS PRESENTED TO US TO DECIDE IF WE WANTED
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TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.NOW, MY QUESTION, BECAUSE I DO NOT, AND AGAIN, I WOULD CONFESS THAT I DON'T HAVE A PERFECT MEMORY.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD ON A REGULAR BASIS, 2, 3, 4 EVERY MONTH.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS IF YOU CAN GO BACK IN YOUR RECORDS AND DETERMINE HOW MANY OF THESE WE'VE HAD ON A MONTHLY BASIS, GOING BACK TO THE INCEPTION TO DETERMINE IF IN FACT THERE IS A DECREASE.
I KNOW WE HAD FIVE, TWO MONTHS AGO.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY LAST MONTH.
I DON'T KNOW THE REASON, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AS OPPOSED TO GUESSING AT IT.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IN THE PAST YOU DID RECEIVE, UH, COMPLAINTS FOR REVIEW, AS YOU MENTIONED.
UM, THE CORRECT WAY ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE IS THAT IF SOMETHING IS INVESTIGATED BY IED, THEN UM, THE OFFICE OF OCPO OR THE BOARD CAN INITIATE OR REQUEST TO INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION.
UM, HOWEVER, AND AS YOU STATED, I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER, WE DID HAVE SOME COMPLAINTS THAT WE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME.
WE WERE CONTINUING THE PREVIOUS PROCESS UNTIL IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE REVIEWING INVESTIGATIONS UNLESS THEY HAD BEEN REVIEWED OR INVESTIGATED FIRST BY IED.
AND SO IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THAT IS THE REASON THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY REVIEWS IS BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, COMING TO LIGHT.
WELL, AGAIN, I I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDAS TO GET INTO THAT PARTICULAR MATTER.
ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT WE SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN TO SEE IF IN FACT THERE HAS BEEN A DROP OFF.
AND IF SO, THEN WE CAN DETERMINE THE REASON FOR IT.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS, SO IN THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS 15 PAGE REPORT THAT THE OFFICE GAVE US ABOUT THE DETERMINATION OF THE, OF OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS, WHETHER IAD DOES OR NOT.
AND CHIEF GARCIA IS COMING TO TALK ABOUT IT AS WELL.
AND, AND WHAT ELSE? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ELSE, UH, CHAIRMAN REVIS.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED.
I I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IS THAT JUST THIS ISSUE ALONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? IT, IT IS, IS IT WARRANTS, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY CHIEF GARCIA IS COMING TO SPEAK TO US ON THAT WHEN WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED IT OURSELVES.
I'M, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, UM, WHY AREN'T WE ADDRESSING IT IN THIS MEETING? MS. MR. HIGGINS? UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT WAS MAYBE THE JANUARY, UH, MEETING WHEN I SPOKE, I ACTUALLY SAID THE CHIEF WAS GONNA BE COMING TO OUR MEETINGS TO SIT IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS ROLE IS ON THIS ONE.
UM, I DID SAY THAT HE WAS ALSO COMING TO, UM, TALK, UH, BECAUSE HE WAS GONNA HAVE THE RIGHT CARE TEAM COME IN AND TALK TO US ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
SO NOT SURE WHAT THE CHIEF PLANS TO COME IN AND TALK, AND HE MAY NOT COME IN AND TALK AT ALL, BUT THIS BOARD HAS BEEN ASKING FOR THE CHIEF TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, WHY IS HE COMING? THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING ANYWAY, SO HE'S APPARENTLY HE'S COMING IN APRIL AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND SO, AND I RESPOND TO THAT.
AND, AND I BELIEVE YOU DO TOO, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S COMING TO TALK ABOUT.
IT COULD BE RIGHT CARE, IT COULD BE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, IT COULD BE THE DASHBOARD.
IT COULD BE, WHO KNOWS? WELL, IT, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE THIS REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT, WHAT HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT, BUT HE'S COMING.
AND SO, UM, LET, I KNOW THE, I THINK YOU EARLIER, UH, THE DIRECTOR WAS SAYING THAT, UM, UH, THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS COMING TO TALK ABOUT THIS RE THIS REPORT, RIGHT? OR WAS THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SORRY.
UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS COMING TO SPEAK ABOUT THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE AND THE AUTHORITIES OF THE BOARD.
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AS, UM, WAS MENTIONED IN THE JANUARY MEETING, UH, TO COME AND SPEAK WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL, UH, POLICING UNIT.SO THAT WAS PLANNED FOR THIS MONTH, BUT BECAUSE, UM, THERE WERE A FEW BOARD MEMBERS THAT MENTIONED THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE PRESENT THIS MONTH AND THE CHAIR WASN'T HERE, UM, CHIEF GARCIA'S PRESENCE WAS REQUESTED FOR APRIL, UM, INSTEAD OF THIS, UH, MARCH MEETING.
YEAH, I DON'T, MY QUE MY QUESTION THAT I'M DIRECTING IS NOT RELATED TO, UM, IF HE COMES IS WHAT HE'S COMING TO SPEAK ABOUT.
UM, WE HAVE CITY ATTORNEYS SITTING IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW WHO HAVE I, SINCE I, SINCE THIS INCEPTION OF THIS BOARD, I'VE SEEN THE SAME CITY ATTORNEY SITTING HERE.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS OUR INVESTIGATORY POWER.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S INTERPRETATION THAT'S SITTING RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO, AND SO I, I I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I THINK WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS NUMBER ONE, THAT DETERMINATION, THAT INTERPRETATION, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, THE REPORT THAT WAS PUT OUT BY THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.
BECAUSE I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT REPORT.
AND SO I THINK THAT IS A LOT TO COVER IN THE NEXT MEETING ALONG WITH THE CHIEF C*M TO PRESENT.
NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT MR. HIGGINS.
WE'VE GOTTEN OFF TOPIC, OFF THIS AGENDA ITEM.
WE'RE ON THIS, THIS MONTHLY, UM, THE MONTHLY STATS RIGHT NOW.
SO THE, WHEN THE AGENDA COMES OUT, THE CHAIR WILL PUT TOGETHER THAT AGENDA AND THE OFFICE, ALONG WITH THE OFFICE AND THEY WILL LET US KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS ARE GONNA BE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT EIGHT? YES.
MY QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO YOU, SIR.
UM, YOU HAVE INDICATED THAT THESE ARE COMPLAINTS THAT WERE FILED DIRECTLY WITH YOUR OFFICE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
WHAT IS YOUR PROCESS WHEN A COMPLAINT IS FILED WITH YOUR OFFICE? WELL, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE COMPLAINT COMES IN, I, I REVIEW IT, THEY SAY IT COMES IN AN EMAIL, I OPEN THE EMAIL, READ THE COMPLAINT, AND THEN A LOT OF TIMES IT'S ABOUT POLICE OFFICERS.
SO I NEED INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FURTHER, SO THEN I FORWARD THE COMPLAINT TO DPD AND THEN THEY WILL.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU'VE INDICATED DIVISION REFERRAL, SOUTHWEST DIVISION? UM, NO, NO, THAT IS, THAT IS THEIR OUTCOME.
THEY, THEY, THEY SAY IT WOULD GO OKAY, 'CAUSE IT TO THE, TO DIVISION REFERRAL.
BUT WHEN I FORWARD THE COMPLAINT TO DPD, THEY DIDN'T SEND BACK A RESPONSE THAT HAS, UH, LIKE INFORMATION FOR THE COMPLAINT.
USUALLY IF IT'S A, AN INCIDENT ASSOCIATED WITH IT INCIDENT NUMBER, AND I USE THAT INFORMATION WHERE I CAN THEN PULL UP BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO THEN FURTHER DO FURTHER MAKE, MAKE MY DETERMINATION, I MAKE MY, MY INITIAL ASSESSMENT OR DETERMINATION.
AND THEN DPD GIVES PROVIDE ME WHAT THEIR, THEIR ASSESSMENT DETERMINATION AND WE HAVE A MEETING AND DISCUSS IF WE HAVE ANY DI DISAGREEMENTS OR NEED MORE CLARIFICATION.
THEN WE, WE HAVE THOSE REGULAR WEDNESDAY MEETINGS WITH IAD.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS IF THAT.
SO YOU SAY YOU MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION.
WHAT IS YOUR DETERMINATION? UH, UH, WHAT ARE THE SPECIFICS OF, YOU SAY IT'S A JUSTIFIED OR IT'S UNJUSTIFIED WELL, OR IT'S A GOOD ONE OR A BAD ONE.
WELL, SPECIFICALLY I WOULD LIKE IT IS, I WOULD LOOK AT IS THE, THE INVEST.
IF IT'S A, AN INVESTIGATION, IF IT NEEDS TO BE, IF INVESTIGATED FURTHER, IF IT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED BY IAD, THOSE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
DOES IT MEET THE CRITERIA? DOES, IS IT A COMPLAINT THAT'S ARTICULATED AGAINST THE POLICE OFFICER.
THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE THAT, THAT I FOLLOW TO MAKE SURE THE CHECKLIST.
AND YOU DO THIS ON EVERY COMPLAINT THAT COMES INTO YOU? YES, SIR.
YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT, UH, YOU REVIEW THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, UH, ON THE COMPLAINTS.
DO YOU EVER MAKE A REPORT IF THERE IS NO BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE? I, I, I MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
AND, AND MOST OF THE TIME THEN THE, IF THERE'S NO BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE NOTED, THEN USUALLY THAT DDPD IS VERY GOOD AT, UH, CATCHING THAT THEN, THEN USUALLY THAT RESULTS IN DIVISION REFERRAL AND THEN TO THE DISCIPLINE TO FIGURE OUT WHY HE DIDN'T HAVE, WHICHEVER OFFICER DIDN'T HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERA.
BECAUSE, AND IF THEY'RE ENGAGED WITH THE CITIZENS, THE, THE ACTING ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEIR BODY-WORN CAMERA SHOULD BE ACTIVATED.
AND MOST OF THE TIME I'M ABLE TO FIND THAT IT'S, IN SOME CASES IT'S NOT, BUT WE, WE THEN, IT THEN DPD HAS TO EXPLAIN WHY.
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WELL, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS PRESENT OR MEMBERS ONLINE? OH, UH, MS. UH, BOARD MEMBER GRANTER, I BELIEVE, DIDN'T YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON EARLIER THAT WOULD'VE FIT IN THIS AREA? SO MY QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH WHAT, UM, MY QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH D-P-D-I-A AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY DECIDE TO DO NO INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE, UH, WE HEARD THAT THE POLICY OF IA IS TO INVESTIGATE EVERY SINGLE REPORT OF MISCONDUCT.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE SEE ARE DEEMED NO INVESTIGATION.
NOW, I WOULD BRING UP ANCILLARY THAT THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM, BECAUSE EVIDENTLY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THINGS THAT IA DETERMINES TO BE NO INVESTIGATION.
BUT I WANTED TO KNOW FROM MAJOR ALLEN IF IA IS IN FACT DOING AN INVESTIGATION OF EVERY CLAIM.
BOARD, UH, BOARD MEMBER GRANTER HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU REGARDING, UH, THE INVESTIGATIONS CONDUCTED BY A IAD.
AND I BELIEVE SHE WAS ASKING IF WE DO AN INVESTIGATION ON EVERY COMPLAINT.
HOWEVER, WHAT WE DO DO IS WE VET EVERY COMPLAINT.
SO EVERY COMPLAINT THAT'S RECEIVED, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH OUR OFFICE OR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, IT IS VETTED.
UH, AND WHAT THAT CONSISTS OF IS AS, UM, IT WAS STATED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THIS PRESENTATION, RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF BODY-WORN CAMERA THAT HAS TO BE REVIEWED.
UM, ONCE ALL THAT HAS BEEN VET AND WE DETERMINE WHAT OUTCOME WOULD COME FROM THAT COMPLAINT, WE THEN HANDLE IT AS SUCH.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A FORMAL INVESTIGATION, THEN NO, WE WILL NOT CONDUCT ONE.
UH, IF WE THINK IT, OR IF I THINK IT FALL, IF IT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A DIVISION OF REFERRAL TO WHERE IT'S STILL AN INVESTIGATION, BUT IT'S NOT HANDLED BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS, IT'S HANDLED BY WHATEVER DIVISION THAT OFFICER IS ASSIGNED TO, WELL, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION.
BUT AS FAR AS EVERY COMPLAINT, WE ACCEPT EVERY COMPLAINT THAT COMES INTO OUR OFFICE OR INTO, UM, THROUGH THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, UH, AGAIN, WE VET EVERY COMPLAINT INDEPENDENTLY.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF I COULD JUST TOUCH ON THIS MR. CHAIR, UM, WHETHER A COMPLAINT COMES INTO MY OFFICE OR INTO THE OFFICE OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, WHEN WE RECEIVE THOSE COMPLAINTS, WE EXCHANGE THOSE COMPLAINTS.
SO WHATEVER I RECEIVE IN MY OFFICE, THE WAY THAT I RECEIVE IT, I TAKE IT AND WE SEND IT OVER TO THE, UH, OFFICE, COMMUNITY POLICE, OVERSIGHT'S OFFICE, WHATEVER THEY RECEIVE THROUGH THEIR OFFICE, THEY ALSO SHARE WITH US THEN INDEPENDENTLY THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.
WE EACH CONDUCT OUR OWN VETTING PROCESS OF THE COMPLAINTS.
THEN COME WEDNESDAY MORNINGS USUALLY IS WHEN OUR MEETING HAPPENS.
UM, WE THEN DISCUSS WHAT WE EACH FOUND INDEPENDENTLY.
THIS PROVIDES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT ONE OFFICE VERSUS THE OTHER FOUND SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THE OTHER ONE MISSED.
OR IF THERE'S DISCUSSION ON, HEY, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THE OUTCOME OF A COMPLAINT, VERSUS, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE AN OUTCOME OF A COMPLAINT.
UM, SO THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION.
NOW WHEN IT COMES TO ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE RECEIVED AND ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE VETTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS ANSWER THAT.
IT KIND OF DOESN'T BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING THE WORD VETTED, AND I JUST, I DON'T, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT CONSTITUTES VETTING AND WHAT CONSTITUTES AN INVESTIGATION.
BECAUSE I MEAN, I USE THE WORD INVESTIGATION PRETTY OFTEN.
I'M A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY.
AND, AND, AND WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE INVESTIGATION INCLUDES READING A COMPLAINT, LOOKING INTO THE WHO ALL'S INVOLVED.
A LOT OF INVESTIGATION IS DONE AT THE DESK.
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I MEAN, A LOT OF INVESTIGATION DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE A MAGNIFYING GLASS AND A PLAID HAT.IF YOU, IF YOU FOLLOW ME, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO MUCH.
WHERE IS THE LINE BETWEEN VETTING AN INVESTIGATION? BECAUSE I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE WORD INVESTIGATION INCLUDES PULLING BODY-WORN CAMERA, FINDING OUT WHO'S INVOLVED LOOKING INTO IT.
I MEAN, AS SOON AS YOU PICK UP, AS SOON AS YOU PICK UP A COMPLAINT, READ IT AND SEE WHO ALL IS INVOLVED.
SO STEER ME STRAIGHT IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
SO YES, I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, MY OFFICE IS NOT CONDUCTING A FORMAL INVESTIGATION WHEN WE'RE VETTING THE COMPLAINTS.
UH, THE PROCESSES THAT ARE, THAT ARE INVOLVED IN A FORMAL INVESTIGATION, HERE THEY ARE, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED AS THE HAT AND THE MAGNIFYING GLASS, THEY ARE VERY INTENSIVE.
UM, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK.
AS MANY OF YOU SAW WITH THE CASE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING MONTHS FOR ON AN UPDATE, THEY'RE VERY IN DEPTH.
SO THAT IS AN INVESTIGATION, A FORMAL INVESTIGATION.
GETTING A COMPLAINT IS, IS NOT OKAY.
SO I, I GUESS HERE I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE THE WORD INVESTIGATION IS NOT DEFINED IN, UM, IN THE, THE PART OF THE CITY CHARTER THAT, THAT OUTLINES WHAT WE DO.
SO I, I'M NOT, I, ARE THERE POLICIES DEFINING WHAT IS AN INVESTIGATION AND WHAT IS A VETTING AS YOU USE THIS WORD? IF THERE ARE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR, WHERE IT'S, UM, I GUESS EXPLAINED THE WAY YOU'RE WANTING IT TO BE EXPLAINED.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT I, WE CAN LOOK INTO AND FIND OUT FOR YOU.
BUT I DON'T, I GUESS I'M JUST NOT TOO SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BECAUSE I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THE WHOLE BOARD IS VERY INTERESTED IN THE LINE BETWEEN VETTING AN INVESTIGATION OR AT LEAST WHERE INVESTIGATION STARTS AND STOPS.
BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE, UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE OUR AUTHORITY BEGINS AND ENDS, IS WITH YOUR INVESTIGATION.
AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING IN WRITING IN STATUTE THAT, THAT DEFINES THAT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
UM, I, I CAN TOUCH ON WHAT AN INVESTIGATION IS HERE FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
UM, AN INVESTIGATION DOES NOT START UNTIL WE ACTUALLY TAKE IT AND WE ASSIGN IT TO A DETECTIVE OR, OR EVEN A SUPERVISOR WHO THEN STARTS THE WHOLE PROCESS OF AN INVESTIGATION.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT IS INVOLVED WITH THAT.
JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
UH, BOARD MEMBER GRANTER, DISTRICT TWO.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? YES.
UM, WELL, UH, I ACTUALLY, CAN YOU ADD THIS TO THE LIST OF THINGS WE NEED TO DISCUSS, UH, IN APRIL? BECAUSE I HEARD THAT MAJOR ALANISE SAID THAT HER DEPARTMENT AND, UH, OVERSIGHT SHARE DATA.
SO IF DATA COMES TO HER OFFICE, THEY SHARE IT WITH OVERSIGHT OVERSIGHT'S INFORMATION, THEY SHARE IT.
AND THEN ON WEDNESDAYS THEY COLLABORATE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD GO FORWARD AS AN INVESTIGATION.
SO THAT MEANS OUR OFFICE IS IN, ON WHAT GOES FORWARD AS AN INVESTIGATION, WHICH RAISES A POINT IS HOW DID THE LANE CASE FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS? BECAUSE HERE WE HAD A VIDEO THERE, THEY DIDN'T, SO IF WE'RE TALKING TO EACH OTHER, WE WOULD'VE SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VIDEO OUT THERE.
SO CAN WE PUT THAT ON OUR, ON OUR, ON OUR LITTLE LIST THERE? THANK YOU.
I CAN TOUCH ON THAT MAJOR LANIS.
SO REGARDING THE LANE CASE, UM, YES, THERE WAS AN OVERSIGHT IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO ADDRESS WITH MY LIEUTENANTS HERE IN MY STAFF, UM, WHICH I DID.
WE ARE SHARING INFORMATION AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DO BELIEVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
UH, AT THE TIME, IT WAS NOT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE SAW ON THIS PUBLIC FORUM WHEN THE VIDEO WAS PLAYED.
I WAS EVEN ASKED DIRECTLY BY THE BOARD IF THAT WOULD HAD BEEN THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAD SEEN THAT VIDEO.
UM, AND, AND YES, IT WAS, UH, I HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT VIDEO WAS OUT THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, MY OFFICE DID MISS IT, HAD THAT COMMUNICATION EXISTED AT THAT TIME AND THAT VIDEO, UH, OR I HAD BEEN NOTIFIED OF THAT VIDEO.
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THE OFFICE HAD ANY CONCERNS AT THAT TIME DURING THAT WEEKLY MEETING, I DO BELIEVE THAT THEN THAT CONVERSATION COULD HAVE HAPPENED AT THAT TIME, THE WAY IT'S HAPPENING NOW.SO, YES, SIR, YOU ARE CORRECT WITH HOW THE PROCESS SHOULD HAVE WORKED BACK THEN.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DID NOT.
UM, 'CAUSE AGAIN, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT I WAS COMPLETELY SURPRISED BY THE VIDEO THAT HAD EXISTED.
UM, SO AGAIN, I HOPE THAT CLEARS UP THAT FOR YOU.
OKAY, SO HERE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA GO TO, UH, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH AT DISTRICT FOUR.
THEN I'M GONNA GO TO MR. CHANGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU THAT YOU KEEP YOUR QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE ITEM AT HAND, WHICH IS THIS, UM, THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS REGARDING THE 30, THE 30 INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAVE GONE DOWN.
'CAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING TO REHASH THE LANE EVENT.
THAT, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, WHETHER WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, IS STICK TO OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT.
AND I SEE, UH, A CONFUSED LOOK WITH MR. HIGGINS.
SO LET ME GO WITH, UH, DR. GILBERT SMITH TO START.
MAJOR ESE FOR YOUR CANDID, UM, REACTION.
UM, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ON THE INSIDE, SO I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THINGS PROGRESS AND HOW THE, YOUR OFFICE WAS UNAWARE OF THAT VIDEO.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, COULD THAT SAME MISTAKE HAPPEN ALONG THE LINES? AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE INVESTIGATING ON OUR END.
SO OTHER COMPLAINTS COULD GO UNDISCOVERED JUST LIKE THAT ONE DIRECTOR.
DO YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT TO THAT? SURE.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA STATE THAT THE INVESTIGATOR IS NOT PART OF THE PROCESS, UH, THE INTAKE PROCESS OR THE REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, IF THEY WERE TO BE PART OF THE INTAKE AND REVIEW PROCESS AND MAKE DECISIONS IN THE BEGINNING, IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO INVESTIGATE AFTER THEY HAVE ALREADY MADE A POSITION ON AN ITEM THAT HAS, UH, FIRST COME INTO THE OFFICE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED IN THE HIRING UPDATE, WE ARE, UM, POSTING THAT POSITION AND WE SHOULD HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
OH, WELL, I, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN AND I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT WENT FROM THE DIRECTOR TO THE INVESTIGATOR, AND THE VIDEO WAS UNCOVERED THROUGH WHATEVER MEANS WERE AVAILABLE.
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO DPD AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, BUT NOT REVIEWED OR, OR OVERLOOKED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
AND MY CONCERN IS, SINCE WE ARE NOW BEING LIMITED AND NOT BEING ABLE TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS, UNLESS DPD SAYS WE CAN INVESTIGATE IT, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS ARE BEING OVERLOOKED, IGNORED, OR WHATEVER HAPPENS.
SO IN OUR CURRENT PROCESS, WE DO REVIEW THE VIDEOS THAT COME IN, AND IN THAT WEEKLY MEETING, WE DISCUSS THEM.
AND IF THERE WAS ANYTHING EVER, UH, THAT WE FELT NEEDED TO BE DISCUSSED, UM, OR THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, WE DO INITIATE THAT CONVERSATION IN THAT MEETING.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN WE'VE, UM, LEFT THAT MEETING AND HAD ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO COME TO A, AN AGREEMENT DURING THE MEETING.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY THAT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BUT I DO THINK THAT OUR PROCESS, UH, CURRENTLY, UM, IS PRETTY THOROUGH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DO REVIEW ALL THE VIDEOS, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
IF WE'RE UNABLE TO, UH, ACCESS THEM OURSELVES, WE FOLLOW UP WITH DPD OR IED TO ASK FOR THOSE VIDEOS.
UM, AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO GIVE ASSISTANCE.
BUT I WOULD SAY ABOUT 85, IF NOT 90% OF THE TIME, WHEN THERE IS VIDEO AVAILABLE, WE'RE ABLE TO LOCATE IT WITHOUT, UM, I D'S ASSISTANCE.
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UNEASY ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO REVIEW AND INVESTIGATE CITIZENS' COMPLAINTS UNLESS THE DPD SAYS WE CAN.IF, IF I'M COMPLAINING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE THAT SELF INVESTIGATION APPROVAL.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF I MAKE A COMPLAINT AGAINST DPD, I DON'T THINK DPD SHOULD TELL THE CITIZENS.
WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO INVESTIGATE THAT COMPLAINT.
OKAY, MR. HIGGINS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.
I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO, UM, RESPECT THE PROTOCOL AND THE AGENDA, BUT I AM AT, WE KNOW THAT THIS BOARD HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THIS ISSUE.
AND I KNOW IT IS NOT THE, WE'RE NOT AT THAT PLACE IN THE AGENDA, I GUESS, BUT I'M ASKING WHEN ARE WE, WHEN IS IT SLATED FOR US TO DISCUSS THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW POWERLESS TO DO INVESTIGATIONS? UNLESS THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYS THEY WANT TO INVESTIGATE SOMETHING, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT? SO, LAST MONTH'S MEETING, THE CITY MANAGER CAME ON AND TOLD US THAT NOTHING HAD CHANGED.
I ASKED A QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OTHER, UM, HOW, HOW MANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HERE ASKED A QUESTION? OH, JUDGE LANDERS.
NO ONE ELSE ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THIS EXACT TOPIC WHEN WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THIS TOPIC WAS BROACHED AT THAT POINT.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS IN OUR BINDER, AND I WILL SHOW IT HERE BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL KIND OF GLOSS OVER IT, BUT THE EXTERNAL COMPLAINT WORKFLOW PROCESS IS IN OUR BINDER, INCLUDING AN EXPLANATION OF HOW IT GOES DOWN.
THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE FORMER DIRECTOR.
AND IN THERE IT SAYS, WHEN THIS IS EXTERNAL COMPLAINT COMES IN, THE POLICE MONITOR WILL REVIEW IN CONSULTATION WITH THE IA COMMANDER, PRELIMINARY INFORMATION AND DETERMINE THE MOST APPROPRIATE ACTION.
THAT'S THE VETTING PART I THINK EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO I KNOW I HAVE GONE TO IADI HAVE MET WITH THE IAD COMMANDER.
SHE HAS EXPLAINED THIS PROCESS.
I'M GONNA ASK ALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO PLEASE TAKE THESE TWO PAGES OUT OF YOUR BINDER.
AND IF WE NEED TO, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET A CLEANED UP COPY NOW.
BUT I'M ALSO GONNA ASK THAT OUR OFFICE, OUR OCPO OFFICE, COME UP WITH ITS OWN EXTERNAL PROCESS WORKFLOW OR EXTERNAL COMPLAINT PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN SHOW HOW THE OFFICE DOES, HOW OCPO DOES IT, AND THEN HOW THEY BOTH MARRY UP TOGETHER WHEN THEY DO THEIR WEDNESDAY MEETINGS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BUT MR. RIVAS, IT DOESN'T SAY, IF WE DISAGREE, WE CAN'T INVESTIGATE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE CITY MANAGER, NOTHING CHANGED.
SO, BUT, BUT I KNOW WE'RE HEARING SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, RIGHT? YES.
AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S, UM, THERE IS, UM, AMBIGUITY NOW.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA GET, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THAT UPDATE NEXT MONTH FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
CAN I ASK MR. MR, CAN I, MR. ASK QUESTION, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
UH, YES, BUT I'VE GOT TWO HANDS.
I GOT, FIRST I GOT MR. HIGGINS, THEN I HAVE DISTRICT NINE, UH, MS. GRANTER, THEN I HAVE YOU DISTRICT TWO, AND THEN I HAVE DISTRICT 14.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO IN THAT ORDER.
AND WE CAN, ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GET IT STARTED.
WHO'S ON DECK? UM, SO YOU'RE RIGHT.
CITY MANAGER SAID NOTHING HAD CHANGED.
HE ALSO SAID THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO TALK WITH CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN THAT MEETING TO SEE WHY, WHY THE INTERPRETATION WAS PUT FORTH THE WAY IT WAS.
UM, AND SO WE GOT THAT MEMO, UH, ABOUT THAT BEFORE OUR MEETING.
UM, SO WHICH, SO, SO I'M, I'M JUST GOING TO DEFER MY QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE CAN SPEAK AND ASK THEIR QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THIS IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT HANDLING IN THIS MEETING.
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ATTORNEY HERE.HE WASN'T HERE LAST TIME WHEN THEY DROPPED THE BOMB ON US, BUT NOW HE'S HERE TODAY.
UM, HE HAS REPEATEDLY CAME OVER AND TALKED TO YOU AND CONSULTED WITH YOU DURING THE MEETING.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OR WE DON'T GET ANYTHING.
I THINK IT WARRANTS, I THIS IS BIG ENOUGH, RIGHT? LIKE THIS CHANGES OUR WHOLE SCOPE.
LET'S JUST GET, LET'S JUST BE REAL.
HE SAT IN HERE FOR FOUR YEARS AND LET US DO THE PROCESS THIS WAY.
SO, SO LET'S JUST GET REAL ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING OVERSIGHT ABOUT THIS.
WE ARE PRETTY MUCH IN A EXTENSION OF IED AT THIS POINT, IF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE.
SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT? I, I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, DISPARAGE ANY CITY OFFICE, UM, ON THAT.
AND BY THE WAY, I ASKED FOR, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, TO ATTEND OUR MEETINGS IN ORDER TO KEEP MYSELF IN LINE WITH FOLLOWING THE AGENDA, AS, YOU KNOW, TO HELP WITH SOME PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY, UH, I HAVE HIM COMING UP AND GET, YOU KNOW, AND TALKING TO ME.
THAT'S WHY I'VE TURNED AROUND AND ASKED HIM AS WELL.
'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CORRECT RULES, UH, TO GOVERN THIS TO, UH, TO OPERATE THIS BOARD.
UM, I'M, AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BACK AND SAY THAT.
AND I'M ALSO GOING TO, I'M ALSO GOING TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER, UM, REGARDLESS OF ANYONE, YOU KNOW, ANYONE'S PERSONAL FEELINGS, I'M GONNA GIVE HIM, UM, THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
AND THE FACT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I'M NOT GOING TO DROP A BOND.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT, IT, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE FOR, FOR THEM TO SAY, OR FOR US TO TELL THEM, UM, YOU NEED TO COME AND BRIEF US AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I MEAN, THEY'VE GOTTA, THEY'VE GOTTA PUT TOGETHER, I MEAN, THEY COULD, THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOTTA DO.
MAYBE THEY'VE GOTTA DO RESEARCH.
MAYBE THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A PRESENTATION OR A REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES FOR THEM TO COME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO, UH, TO ME IT SEEMS TOTALLY REASONABLE THAT THEY'RE GONNA SHOW UP AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I'M GLAD THEY'RE COMING TO DO THAT AT MS. GREENER THE OTHER FLOOR.
I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT WAITING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE BECAUSE BASICALLY, AS YOU SAID, CHAIR, UM, THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
WE HAVE A WRITTEN MEMO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE DO HAVE NOW THAT REALLY DOESN'T TOUCH ON WHETHER IA, NO INVESTIGATION IS IN FACT AN INVESTIGATION OR NOT.
AND I, I, I MEAN, IT REALLY JUST DOESN'T GET TO THE POINT.
UM, I'VE READ THE CITY ORDINANCE.
AND, AND I JUST, I, AND, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S MEMO BASICALLY JUST SUMMARIZED THE ORDINANCE AND I THINK SUMMARIZED IT RIGHT DOWN THE LINE.
NO PROBLEMS. I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH IT.
BUT THE IDEA THAT NOW EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO INVESTIGATE THINGS WITHOUT I'S BLESSING IS I'M SAY, MS. GREENER, I'M GONNA CUT YOU OFF REAL QUICK BECAUSE WE'RE WAY OFF TOPIC BY LISTEN BY THE DIRECTOR ONLY.
THAT IS, THAT APPEARS TO BE THE ONLY PERSON WHO BELIEVES THAT WE ARE, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE EXTERNAL COMPLAINT PROCESS THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE.
THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE BY THE FORMER DIRECTOR.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
AND UNTIL WE HEAR OTHERWISE, NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
UM, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, CHAIR, WE ARE NOT INVESTIG.
WE DID HEAR SOMETHING CHANGED, INVESTIGATED.
IT APPEARS SOMETHING HAS, AND IN PRACTICE WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE APRIL MEETING IS FOR.
MOVING ON TO, WERE YOU UP OR WAS DISTRICT? I DON'T REMEMBER.
UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
WE WERE TOLD SOMETHING HAD CHANGED WHEN WE GOT THAT MEMO SAYING THAT WE WERE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO CONDUCT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS, THAT THEY HAD BEEN DEEMED NO INVESTIGATION.
SO EVERYBODY GOT MAD ABOUT THAT.
SO THEN THE CITY MANAGER CAME ON THE CALL AND HE SAID, NO, NO, NO, NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT WAS GONNA ACTUALLY BE INTERPRETED.
SO THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT LAST MONTH.
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WILL HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THERE AT YOUR MEETING TO ADDRESS THIS TO THE BOARD.I'M HERE AT THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THERE'S NO ONE HERE.
SO I WANNA KNOW WHY THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT AND DIDN'T HAPPEN.
BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
WE SHOULD BE HAVE, WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH OURSELVES.
THIS CAME UP LAST MONTH, CORRECT? WE KNEW THIS WAS INITIAL LAST MONTH.
WE, WE WERE PREPARED TO DISCUSS IT THIS MONTH BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER SAID SOMEONE WOULD BE HERE THEN HE DIDN'T SEND ANYONE HERE.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUSH THIS OFF FOR ANOTHER MONTH, DELAYING US AGAIN.
AND I'M JUST VERY DISSATISFIED WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
CAN I RESPOND TO THAT PLEASE? VICE CHAIRMAN? UM, GIVE GIMME ONE.
LET ME, I'M GOING TO, IF WE CAN KEEP IT TO THIS MONTHLY, I'M GONNA KEEP, I'M GONNA KEEP IT REPORT.
I'M GONNA KEEP IT ALL THEN, THEN WE'RE GONNA PROCEED.
I DO WANNA KEEP IT RIGHT TO THIS REPORT 'CAUSE WE HAD 30 COMPLAINTS ASSIGNED TO OUR, THE OFFICE AND SIX OF THEM IED IS LOOKING AT OR WHATEVER.
AND I'M WONDERING WHY OUR DIRECTOR DIDN'T BRING THOSE TO US FOR US TO REVIEW AND PERHAPS ORDER INVESTIGATION.
BECAUSE IN YOUR PACKET IS THIS DOCUMENT THAT SAYS EXTERNAL COMPLAINT, WORKFLOW, NO INVESTIGATION, SUB CLASSIFICATION, GENERAL DEFINITIONS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE GOTTEN THIS OVER AND OVER.
AND IT CLEARLY CONFIRMS EXACTLY WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER SAID LAST MONTH.
AND THE REASON WHY IS ON THE FIRST LINE, IT SAYS THE POLICY OF THE DEPARTMENT IS TO ACCEPT AND INVESTIGATE ALL COMPLAINTS.
IT DOESN'T SAY VET, IT SAYS INVESTIGATE.
THEN IT GOES ON IN THE NEXT PARAGRAPH TO SAY A NO INVESTIGATION MEANS THAT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A FULL INVESTIGATION.
SO IT DOESN'T SAY A FORMAL INVESTIGATION, IT SAYS A FULL INVESTIGATION.
BUT THE FACT THAT THE FIRST LINE SAYS INVESTIGATE MEANS WE GET TO INVESTIGATE.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IAD THAT DOES FULL INVESTIGATIONS.
WE'RE AN OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT DOES OUR OWN INVESTIGATION.
SO THE CITY MANAGER WAS REFERRING TO THIS DOCUMENT WHICH SAYS IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AS INTERPRETED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
OKAY, I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN EVERYONE PLEASE MAKE YOURSELVES VERY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE TWO, WITH, WITH THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN OUR BOARD PACKETS.
UM, I'VE ASKED FOR THEM TO BE, TO, FOR NEW COPIES TO BE UPDATED SO THAT YOU CAN READ THE INTERNAL STUFF.
THESE ARE COPIES OF COPIES OF COPIES.
AND SO THEN THEY GET, UH, UN ILLEGIBLE.
JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A A, A WORKFLOW, BUT I JUST NEED TO BE EDUCATED AND, AND I JUST NEED ONE MINUTE, MR. HIGGINS, YOU SAID YOU WERE PART OF THE TEAM THAT NEGOTIATED WHAT THE RIGHTS WOULD BE OF THIS BOARD IS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IS THIS WHAT YOU GUYS AGREED TO? IT IS NOT.
'CAUSE I GOT TWO MORE QUESTIONS I WANNA MOVE ON TO.
UH, YOU PRIDE YOURSELF ON SAYING YOU'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE INCEPTION AS WELL AS YOU, MS. WISE WORTH.
IS THIS WHAT YOU GOT? IS THIS WHAT MR. CLARK GAVE US? IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE INCEPTION? MR. CLARK? MR. CLARK WROTE THIS.
SO JONATHAN, I, I, I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE I'M NOT DOING NOTHING.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN WITH THAT DOCUMENT, BUT THAT DOCUMENT IS NOT ON, ON THIS AGENDA.
AND SO THAT DOCUMENT, THAT DOCUMENT CAN BE DISCUSSED AT NE AT NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, I'M JUST TRYING TO DE EDUCATED.
I WASN'T HERE THIS IN SESSION.
YOU GUYS NEGOTIATED WHAT THE TERMS WOULD BE FOR THE
SO GOT, I'VE BEEN HERE, THIS WOULD BE COMFORTABLE.
BECAUSE I GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC ASKS ME.
AND IF I SAY I DON'T KNOW, THEN I LOOK LIKE A DUMB ASS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT.
MR. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE DWAYNE CARAWAY AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT
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DOCUMENT IS NOT WHAT WE AGREED TO.DISTRICT, DISTRICT 13, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THIS BOARD.
THE PRIOR BOARD AND THIS BOARD ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THEY'RE, UH, APPLES AND ORANGES.
WHAT HAPPENED ON THE PRIOR BOARD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
OKAY? SO WE STARTED AFRESH IN OCTOBER OF 2019.
AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN IS WHERE YOUR FOCUS SHOULD BE IF YOU WANT TO BE EDUCATED.
AND ALL I'M SAYING IS I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE SESSION.
I KNOW HOW WE HAVE DONE THINGS.
I DON'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID THAT WE CAN'T DO NOW, BUT THAT'S FOR ANOTHER TIME AND PLACE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU EXCEPT THAT WE SHOULD DO THIS IN A ORDERLY FASHION.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE NEED TO CORRECT IT.
BUT TO GO BACK AND SAY HERE'S WHAT WE AGREED TO OR DIDN'T AGREE TO, AND THAT KIND OF THING IS NOT GONNA GET US ANYWHERE.
DO I AGREE WITH THE INTERPRETATIONS THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE MAKING? NO, I DON'T.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH A, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND B, THE SPIRIT OF IT.
BUT TO SIT HERE AND SAY THIS IS NOT WHAT WE AGREED TO OR WHATEVER DOESN'T GET US ANYWHERE.
WE, WE NEED TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, LET'S CHANGE IT.
AND THAT, AND ALL I'M SAYING IS, AND I'LL FINISH 'CAUSE I'M GETTING OUTSIDE THE, THE BALANCE.
BUT WHEN THE CITY MANAGER GOT ON THE PHONE WITH US AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF, HE PHONED IN AT NINE 30 OR WHATEVER, OKAY? AND HE DID SAY NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
I THINK HE WAS SURPRISED THAT THIS IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE WERE TAKING.
AND I GOT THE IMPRESSION HE WAS GONNA LOOK AT IT AND IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM, IT WAS GONNA GET FIXED.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK EVERYONE.
I'M GONNA ASK EVERYONE TO, UM, TO DEVELOP YOUR QUESTIONS FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING SO THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT GOOD QUESTIONS AND ARE PREPARED TO ASK, UM, ONCE THIS IS ON THE AGENDA TO BE DISCUSSED.
OKAY? SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY, ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE NO ONE ONLINE.
UH, SEEING, SEEING NO ONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, OUR OUR NEXT, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING IS APRIL 9TH, 2024.
UH, AGAIN, BOARD MEMBERS SEND IN YOUR AGENDA ITEMS, UM, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
IT MAY, IT MAY OR IT MAY NOT MAKE IT INTO THE APRIL AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PACKING UP PRETTY GOOD.
SO, UM, BUT LET US KNOW WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE MEETINGS WITH THE DPD CHIEF.
UM, SEEING THAT WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT AND OUR NEXT MEETING IS APRIL 9TH.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? DAVID NER, DISTRICT 13.
DISTRICT FOUR, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH SECOND.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON ADJOURNMENT? SEEING NONE, LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T ADJOURN UNTIL WE TAKE CARE OF THIS, BUT JUST COUNT ME AS A NAY VOTE ON ADJOURNING.
ANY, ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, LET'S TAKE A HAND VOTE.
UH, WE ARE ADJOURNING AT 8 41.