Mar 21, 2024 City Planning Commission

UH, LET'S GO TO OUR ONE MISCELLANEOUS ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS ITEM HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE DOORS.

THEY'RE UPSTAIRS.

IT'S 9 0 5.

WE'LL BE BACK IN IN, UH, 10 MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE THE DOORS, UH, OPEN.

UH, WELCOME FOLKS.

IT'S 9:12 AM AND WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

UM, I THINK WE'RE ON THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT, UH, HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

WE'LL BRIEF THAT TODAY.

UM, GOOD MORNING.

FULL SCREEN.

THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON JOINED US ONLINE AT, UH, 9:03 AM YOUR MORNING.

AND IS, AND IS NOW AT THE HORSESHOE.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

HERE SHE IS.

I WAS JUST READING YOUR TEXT.

I'M ONLINE .

IT WAS 10 MINUTES AGO.

WOW.

THAT'S CPC MAGIC FOLKS.

UM, THIS IS CASE M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PD.

UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 66.

THIS IS CURRENTLY THE NEXUS RECOVERY CENTER, APPROXIMATELY 10 POINT 54 ACRES, AND IT IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN.

THIS IS THE LOCATION AND ZONING MAP.

SO THE LOCATION IS EAST OF DOWNTOWN, UH, LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF LA PRADA DRIVE SOUTH OF BLYTHE DRIVE.

THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE AREA.

SO, UM, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO AMEND AREA ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, AREA TWO CONCEPTUAL PLAN WILL NOT HAVE ANY, UH, DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE AT THIS MOMENT.

SO THE PROPOSED, UH, IS TO AMEND THE AREA ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PORTION OF EXHIBIT 1 66 A TO MODIFY THE BUILDABLE FOOTPRINT AT THREE LOCATIONS, RECONFIGURE AN INTERNAL DRIVEWAY, REVISE THE PARKING LAYOUT TO ALLOW FIRE LANE ACCESS AND TO ACCOMMODATE THE MODIFIED, UH, BUILDING FOOTPRINT.

AGAIN, UM, THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES ARE, UH, FOR THE AREA TO CONCEPTUAL PLAN PORTION OF THE EXHIBIT.

THIS IS THE EXISTING EXHIBIT 1 66 A.

THIS IS WHERE THE AREA ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS.

SO THIS IS WHERE THE AMENDMENT IS TAKING PLACE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE AREA TWO CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED EXHIBIT 1 66 A.

SO THE AMENDMENT IS TAKING PLACE HERE.

THIS IS GENERALLY THE AREA WHERE THE, UM, PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TAKING PLACE.

THIS IS FROM THE EXISTING EXHIBIT 1 66 A TO, UM, THE AREA THAT'S BEING AMENDED FOR AREA ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS AREA IS BEING, UM, AMENDED.

IT'S A PROPOSED BUILDING.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER AREA RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS SOUTH OF IT, AND THEN TO THE WEST OF IT, ANOTHER

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PORTION RIGHT HERE.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

LET'S SWING BACK TO ITEM NUMBER ONE AND DISCUSS OUR, OUR BRIEFING OF THE, UH, UPDATE TO FORT DALLAS.

I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED THE, THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE.

UH, SO JUST AS, AS A SUMMARY AT OUR LAST HEARING, WE DECIDED TO, UM, HAVE, UH, THE TWO WORKING SESSIONS ON MARCH 28TH AND APRIL 11TH FROM NINE TO TWO.

THOSE WERE HARD CODED IN.

AND, UH, NOW I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, POTENTIAL DATES FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, ONE OPTION COMMISSIONERS, UH, IF WE HAVE THE SCHEDULE ON THE AVAILABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND STAY IN ON THE, ON THE 11TH, BEGIN THE DAY WITH A, UH, THE WORKING SESSION, AND THEN END THE DAY WITH A, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY THOUGHTS ON ANY OF THESE DATES, COMMISSIONERS, OR IF YOU WANT, WE CAN, UH, KIND OF DIGEST THIS CALENDAR A LITTLE BIT AND CIRCLE BACK ON IT.

UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE FOLKS, BUT I MEAN, I HAVE ANOTHER JOB AND I'VE GOT STUFF BOOKED GOING INTO APRIL.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN TAKE A WHOLE DAY EVERY WEEK TO DO THIS ON SUCH SHORT NOTICE.

I MEAN, I, THIS JUST SEEMS VERY AGGRESSIVE TO ME.

AND WE HAD A FORD DALLAS MEETING LAST NIGHT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE HAD PROBABLY 60, 75 PEOPLE SHOW UP, AND THEY WERE PRETTY FRUSTRATED THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY WERE HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY DIGEST THE CURRENT VERSION AND GIVE FEEDBACK.

SO I, I, I WOULD VOTE FOR PUSHING THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT, AND I CAN ALSO EXPLAIN THE SCHEDULE, PLEASE.

IT'S ALSO BEING SHARED.

UH, SO ON THE SCREEN AND ALSO PRINTED OUT ON THE, ON YOUR, UH, DESKS ARE THE KIND OF PROPOSED, UH, NEXT FEW MONTHS OF THE CPC REVIEW TIME.

SO, UH, LOOKING AT MARCH 21ST, THAT'S TODAY JUST TALKING THROUGH THE SCHEDULE.

UH, LIKE CHAIR YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE TWO WORKSHOPS THAT ARE DESIGNATED TO BE FROM TWO 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM THAT WAS CONFIRMED DURING THE QUORUM, UH, OF THE BODY LAST MEETING.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHEN AND HOW SHOULD THE PUBLIC, UH, INCORPORATE OR BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.

UM, A FEW THINGS CAME UP DURING OUR LAST MEETING.

UM, IF WE WANT TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COME IN FRONT OF THIS BODY WHILE WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION DURING THAT, SOONER THAN LATER MAKES MOST SENSE, INSTEAD OF THIS BODY DECIDING LANGUAGE DURING THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

AND, UH, THE PUBLIC NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK UNTIL LATE IN, IN THE GAME.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE AS MUCH TIME, UH, TO COME AND PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS THROUGH A EITHER THE PUBLIC HEARING OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA STRUCTURE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO THE, AGAIN, GOING BACK, THE, THE ONLY TWO DATES ARE CONFIRMED ARE THE 28TH AND THE 11TH.

UM, THERE'S NOT A PROPOSAL OF HAVING SOMETHING EVERY WEEK ALL DAY.

THE ONLY TWO DATES THAT WERE CONFIRMED WERE ON, UH, MARCH 28TH AND APRIL 11TH.

UH, NOW IF YOU ALL FEEL, MAYBE AFTER THE FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAVE, IF WE NEED MORE MEETINGS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE CONTENT REVIEWED, WE CAN DO THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY THESE ARE, UH, THOSE ON THE CALENDAR THAT'S ON ORANGE.

THOSE ARE PROPOSED, UM, UNCONFIRMED DATES IF, IF NEEDED.

BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ONLY HAVE TWO CONFIRMED MEETINGS WITH THIS BODY.

AND THAT'S MARCH 28TH.

THAT'S APRIL 11TH.

SO I CAN ANSWER QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER HANSON, PLEASE.

WELL, I THINK SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'VE, UM, ATTENDED MEETINGS AND HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS I'M HEARING AS YOU SPOKE TO MR. MAGOO, EXCUSE ME, IS THAT THE, WHILE WORKSHOPS ARE BEING HELD, THIS BODY ISN'T GETTING THE FULL PUBLIC INPUT.

AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT IF THAT NEEDED TO BE SOONER IN THE PROCESS AS WE ARE EVALUATING THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE PUBLIC TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR DELIBERATIONS AS WELL.

AGAIN, I THINK MANY OF US ARE ATTENDING WORKSHOPS HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T THINK ALL THE MEMBERS ARE, ARE NECESSARILY HEARING ALL OF THE SAME THINGS TOGETHER AND JUST WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADVANCED AS WELL IN WHETHER IT'S PART OF THE MEETING ON THE 28TH, OR,

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I KNOW WE HAVE A STANDING CPC MEETING ON APRIL 4TH, IF WE DEDICATE SOME TIME FOR THAT.

I KNOW WE HAVE MANY OTHER THINGS COMING UP ON OUR DOCKET, BUT JUST WANNA SHARE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.

THAT'S SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, I, I THINK ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

COMMISSIONER, HAD I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THAT THE SOONER WE GET FOLKS IN AND, AND LISTEN TO THEM HERE ON THE HORSESHOE, THE BETTER.

UH, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF ALL OF US LOOKING AT OUR CALENDAR AND, AND FINDING A WAY TO A COUPLE OF DATES, UH, PROBABLY IN THE EVENING IS WHERE WE GET THE MOST RESPONSE, MOST AVAILABILITY FROM FOLKS.

UH, WHY DON'T WE, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

YEAH, SO I CAN, I'M HEARING A FEW THINGS.

JUST WANNA ALSO CLARIFY TO ONE, YOU KNOW, THIS CURRENT DRAFT HAS BEEN OUT SINCE DECEMBER.

UM, AND THINK AS YOU, YOU ALL CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH YOUR, UM, YOUR DISTRICTS.

UH, I THINK ONE, WE ENCOURAGE THAT, UH, WE WANT YOU TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.

UM, WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, THOSE WHO SPEAK TO US TOO, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY AND PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK AS WELL.

SO IN ADDITION TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL WORKSHOPS THAT YOU ALL ARE SCHEDULING, AND WE, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.

UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE PROVIDED INPUT, UH, TO OUR TEAM AND TO YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THIS BODY AND ALSO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK ON RECORD.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE YOU ALL HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UH, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS CONFIRM HOW SHOULD THAT HAPPEN? SO SINCE WE HAVE THE CONFIRMED DATES OF MARCH 28TH AND APRIL 11TH AS WORKSHOPS, UH, A FEW OPTIONS IN TERMS OF STARTING TO GET THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK, UH, LOOKING AT APRIL.

'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO WANNA BE ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO PROMOTE, UM, AND BRING, UH, THE PUBLIC INTO, UM, INTO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THESE WORKSHOPS.

UH, IS ONE, HAVING MAYBE A, A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AFTER, UH, THAT, UH, 9 92 TIME.

SO AGAIN, THE SUGGESTION WAS HAVING A, A TIME CERTAIN DATE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW, THEY COULD COME TO A CERTAIN TIME, KNOW THAT THEY PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS AND KNOW IN A PARTICULAR DAY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO IF WE, IF WE NEED TO MOVE THAT TO MAYBE TWO TIMES CERTAIN TIME DURING THE MORNING AND THE EVENING, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT WE, YOU ALL PROVIDED US TO INVESTIGATE.

AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS A PROPOSED SCHEDULE OF WHAT THE PUBLIC AND HOW THE PUBLIC COULD ENGAGE THIS COMMITTEE.

AS YOU ALL ARE REVIEWING THE DOCUMENT ON THOSE TWO WORKSHOP DATES.

THANKS, CHAIR RUBIN.

SEE, I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OUTSIDE OF THE, THE STANDARD WORK DAY.

I REMEMBER ON WCAP, YOU KNOW, WHICH PROVED TO BE PRETTY CONTENTIOUS TO ONE OF THE BIG, I'LL EVEN SAY CRITICISMS OF THE PROCESS WAS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WERE INTERESTED WEREN'T ABLE TO TAKE OFF WORK AND GET DOWN TO CITY HALL TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, HOP ON A ZOOM OR WHATEVER IT WAS, BECAUSE I THINK THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PANDEMIC.

SO I, I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT MORE, OF THESE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS BEING FROM SIX TO NINE.

AND AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, LOOKING AT APRIL 11TH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE IT SLATED FOR 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM RIGHT NOW, BUT IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR US TO SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, DO IT ALL IN ONE, ONE FELL SWOOP GOING, YOU KNOW, CONSECUTIVELY STARTING IN THE EARLY AFTERNOON, MAYBE A BREAK FOR DINNER AROUND FIVE AND RIGHT.

YEAH, SO, GOOD.

THANKS FOR THAT POINT.

SO APRIL 11TH, UH, ALTHOUGH WE DID, UM, YOU ALL PROVIDED US THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TWO MEETINGS.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S APRIL 28TH, APRIL, I MEAN MARCH 28TH, APRIL 11TH, FROM NINE TO 2:00 PM UH, LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE SUGGESTION ON APRIL 11TH, UH, IF WE, IF WE MOVE THAT TO THE AFTERNOON TIME, MAYBE ONE TILL FIVE, AND THEN HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOLLOW RIGHT AFTER THAT, UH, FOR KIND OF TWO REASONS, MAKING SURE IT KIND OF FLOWS INTO THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND ENSURING THAT AS A QUORUM, UH, WHILE THE PUBLIC SPEAKS.

SO IF WE DO DECIDE THIS BODY DECIDES TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING THAT SAME DAY OR THAT SAME MEETING, UH, ANOTHER SUGGESTION WOULD BE MOVING THE TIME OF THE WORKSHOP TO BE ONE TO FIVE.

AND THEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WOULD STILL BE THAT TIME, CERTAIN SIX TO NINE.

SO THEY'D JUST FLOW INTO THE SAME, UM, SAME MEETING.

SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT YOU ALL TO HELP US CONFIRM OR VOTE UPON IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THAT PARTICULAR MEETING TO OCCUR.

COMMISSIONER

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KINGSTON? WELL, I THINK MY POINT IS WE SET OUR CALENDAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, SO THOSE OF US WITH OTHER THINGS TO DO, HAVE SOME LEAD TIME TO PLAN.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS, STAFFS DECIDED THEY WANNA GET THIS TO COUNCIL BY JUNE, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS.

AND SO WE'RE DEVELOPING AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE FOR THE REST OF US TO GET IT TO JUNE.

AND IF THAT MEANS CPC HAS TO MEET EVERY WEEK DURING THE WEEK, WELL THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS.

AND I DO, I OBJECT TO THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S RESPECTFUL OF OUR TIME OR OUR OTHER COMMITMENTS.

AND SO, I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T DO THIS.

MAYBE THAT IS BY DESIGN, LESS COMMISSIONERS, LESS PUBLIC COMMENT, LESS TIME.

I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY HOW IT WORKED IN OH SIX.

SO MAYBE THAT'S EVERYBODY'S OR SOMEBODY'S BENEFIT.

BUT I, I'M ON THE RECORD OF SAYING I THINK THIS PLAN NEEDS A LOT MORE WORK.

UH, LAST NIGHT'S MEETING IN MY COMMUNITY DIDN'T GO WELL.

A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHOSE BALL THIS COURT'S EVEN IN, WHETHER STAFF IS STILL WORKING ON IT, WHETHER WE'RE WORKING ON IT, WHO'S ON FIRST.

AND IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT, I WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT, BUT SAYING, YOU BETTER CARVE OUT AN ENTIRE DAY OF YOUR LIFE FOR THE NEXT MONTH AND NIGHTS AND EVERYBODY ELSE BETTER.

YOU KNOW, GET THAT ON THEIR CALENDAR SO THAT WE CAN MEET AN ARTIFICIAL DEADLINE WHEN WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS.

JUST DOESN'T SEEM VERY FAIR TO THOSE OF US SITTING AROUND THE HORSESHOE, OUR FAMILIES OR OTHER COMMITMENTS, OR THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

AS CHAIR, ER I DON'T THINK THIS, I KNOW THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES OF MEETINGS ON APRIL, SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS ON, ON APRIL 18TH, MAY 2ND, AND MAY 9TH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY THE INTENT OF THIS DOCUMENT IS TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON EACH OF THOSE DATES.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK AND WORK DILIGENTLY ON THIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANNA MEET, YOU KNOW, ON ALL OF THESE DATES EITHER CONSIDERING MY SCHEDULE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, OUR RULES AND OUR, YOU KNOW, CODE ALLOWS A BODY TO CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS TO ADDRESS IMPORTANT ISSUES.

AND WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST ON OTHER, YOU KNOW, REALLY CONTENTIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, MATTERS.

SO I, I DO WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME, BUT IF WE HAVE TO ADD IN, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY ONE ADDITIONAL SPECIAL CALLED MEETING TO, YOU KNOW, SEE THIS VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO CONTINUE TO GIVE THIS VERY IMPORTANT MATTER, YOU KNOW, DO ATTENTION.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND YEAH.

AND I, AND I THINK TO ADD, I WANT TO ON CALL ON OUR ATTORNEY JUST TO CONFIRM HOW KINDA SPECIALLY CALLED MEETINGS, UM, ARE DONE THROUGH OUR KIND OF KIND OF LEGAL PROCESS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, JUST PROVIDING THAT FEEDBACK.

SO CHAPTER EIGHT ALLOW, EMPOWERS THE CHAIR TO CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS, OR IT EMPOWERS ONE THIRD OF THE BODY TO DIRECT THE CHAIR TO CALL SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS.

AND THAT WAS DONE DURING OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WERE THOSE TWO DATES? UM, MARCH 28TH AND APRIL 11TH.

MEETING DATES AND ARE THERE OTHER DATES THAT NEED TO BE ON HERE? IS, I THINK MY QUESTION FOR THE BODY, RIGHT? AND I'M ALSO GREAT, GREAT COMMENTS.

I, I, I DON'T DISAGREE.

I THINK WE DO NEED SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS.

I DO THINK THEY HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE OF THIS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, REALISTICALLY, I THINK THAT WAS, I THE CHAIR MADE A OBSERVATION.

WE'RE GETTING THROUGH SUCH SMALL PIECES OF THESE.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GONNA DIGEST THIS INFORMATION, MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'M OBSERVING IS I'M TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THESE DATES THAT ARE PROPOSED, IS HOW THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING.

AND, AND IS THERE TIME, BECAUSE I'M PRESUMING ALL OF US ARE SENDING COMMENTS, TAKING IN ALL THIS.

HOW IS THAT GONNA GET INTEGRATED, DISTRIBUTED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THEM TO HAVE AN INFORMED CONSIDERATION AND COME BACK BEFORE US? 'CAUSE IT JUST, I MEAN, I, I, I'M LIKE ALL OF US.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HERE, I'M PRESENT, I'M UNDERSTANDING AND ENGAGING IN THIS CONVERSATION.

I THINK WE ALL ARE.

I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND STAY ON TOP OF BOTH OUR CASES HERE, OTHER COMMITMENTS WITH FAMILY THAT WE ALL HAVE.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THESE DATES, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DO THINK IT MAY BE A CHALLENGE ON THE 11TH FOR MANY OF US, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE TIMING.

SO IF THAT PUT OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE 18TH, WHICH IS A DATE THAT'S PROPOSED, I, I THINK MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW DO WE THEN LOOK THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THE

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UH, SO AS WE LOOK IN, AS WE LOOK AT APRIL AND MAY, ALL THE ORANGE AGAIN, ALL CONFIRMED JUST THEREFORE, UH, TO, TO SEE HOW YOUR SCHEDULES ALIGN WITH THAT.

SO GOING BACK IN TERMS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING THE BODY, UM, AS WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO THINGS, UM, COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, BEING, UM, HAVING A, A RECESS IN SUMMERTIME AND ALSO TO THE, THE FOUR DALLAS CONTRACT, UH, THAT IS CONCLUDING AROUND THAT TIME AS WELL.

UH, JUST BEING, UM, CONSCIOUS OF THEIR TIME, BUDGET, AND YOUR TIME, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN HAVE AS MUCH TIME TO, TO TALK THROUGH THE, THROUGH THIS PLAN.

AGAIN, WE'VE, WE CAME BEFORE THIS BODY IN JANUARY, UM, AND WE WANT TO GET MORE FEEDBACK THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR.

SO IF MORE TIME IS NEEDED, LET'S TALK THROUGH WHERE THAT CAN FIT.

UM, BUT WE WANT TO BE, WE WANNA BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHEN THAT IS, HOW MUCH TIME YOU ALL NEED AND HOW THOSE MEETINGS SHOULD OCCUR.

THIS IS JUST A PROPOSAL FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, BUT WE NEED FEEDBACK TO BE ABLE TO ALIGN WITH WHAT YOU ALL ARE NEEDING, UH, SCHEDULE-WISE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE APRIL 11TH DATE, IF THE QUORUM CAN'T ATTEND THAT DATE, WE CAN LOOK AT, LIKE YOU SAID, APRIL, UH, 18TH, OR, UM, THINKING ABOUT MAYBE OTHER DAYS IN BETWEEN, UH, TO DO THAT.

COMING BACK TO OUR LAST COMMITTEE, THE CLUB, UH, WE DID MEET, I THINK IT WAS TWO FULL DAYS, AND THEY DID THE SAME THING, UH, AND LOOKED AND THEN LOOKED THROUGH THE DOCUMENT PAGE BY PAGE.

SO, UH, WE CAN CRAFT THIS DISCUSSION TO BE, UH, DIFFERENT WHERE WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING THE MAJOR CHANGING POINTS, OR IF YOU WANNA GO PAGE BY PAGE, WE CAN DO THAT.

UH, BUT JUST TO SAY THAT, UH, THE BODY PRECEDING THIS ONE DID THE SAME THING, TWO FULL DAYS, PAGE BY PAGE, AND WE PROVIDE THOSE COMMENTS TOO AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER HALL, WHAT HA, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T MAKE THE JUNE DEADLINE FOR CITY COUNCIL? THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO IN THINKING ABOUT COUNCIL AND THE, THE PROJECT CONTRACT, SO LET'S SAY WE DON'T HIT THE JUNE, UH, THE PROJECT CONTRACT GETS TERMINATED, THERE'S NO MORE, THERE'S NO MORE FUNDS FOR THAT.

COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO RE UH, DISCUSS HOW DO WE EITHER EXTEND THEIR CONTRACT, FIND MORE MONEY FOR THAT.

UH, SO REALISTICALLY, IF THAT DOESN'T OCCUR THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD PROBABLY GET PUSHED TILL THE END OF THE YEAR IN TERMS OF PROCUREMENT, IN TERMS OF GETTING TIME ON THEIR SCHEDULE, IN TERMS OF GETTING ALL THAT KIND OF CON, UM, RESTARTED, UM, TALK TO OUR BUSINESS OFFICE.

TYPICALLY IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO KIND OF GET A CONTRACT GOING.

UH, WE WANT TO AVOID THAT.

UH, ESPECIALLY A LOT OF THE, UM, CONCERNS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN THAT WHAT THEY SPEAK ABOUT CONTINUING TO PUSH THEM TO LAY THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE, I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WHO ARE ON CLUB OR, OR PEOPLE WHO ARE STAFF WHO ARE, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOREVER, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF, YOU KNOW, FAMILIARITY WITH IT OR ARE READY TO MOVE ON.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS BODY, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE PUBLIC, I, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY FOR THIS BODY, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS IS JUST BEGINNING TO BE ON THEIR RADAR.

AND WHEN WE SPEAK ABOUT THE TWO FULL, ALMOST FULL DAY WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD AT CLUB TO GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, I MEAN, THAT WAS AFTER MANY, MANY, MANY HOURS OF DISCUSSION.

SO I, I REALLY THINK THIS COMPRESSED ACCELERATED TIME SCHEDULE, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE CONSULTING CREDIT FOR THE CONTRACT, I, I THINK WE'RE SENDING THE WRONG MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M GETTING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEING RUSHED.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND WHEN PEOPLE START FEELING RUSHED AND BULLIED, IT GETS THEIR HACKLES UP AND THEN THEY GO, WELL, I JUST DON'T WANT ANY PART OF IT.

RIGHT? AND SO, UM, THIS, THIS COMPRESSED SCHEDULE WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR ME.

I KNOW, AND I REALLY LIKE TO, TO CHANGE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE GETTING AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND AT THIS POINT, I DON'T SEE ANY REALISTIC WAY THIS IS GONNA GET TO COUNCIL IN JUNE.

SO, UM, THAT'S MY OPINION.

YOU GUYS KNOW, TIME IS VERY IMPORTANT BEING AN EMPLOYEE AND, UM, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE TO TAKE VACATION TO BE HERE, AND 16 HOURS OF VACATION, UM, IS, IS IS EXPENSIVE.

UM, BECAUSE I GIVE SO MUCH TIME, BUT NEITHER HERE, THERE, THAT'S PERSONAL AND PROBABLY NOT THE ISSUE.

I DO THINK, UM, A LOT OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TIMELINE IS TO KILL FORWARD

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DALLAS.

THAT IS NOT MY GOAL.

THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT.

I DO NOT WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, BUT IF WE HAVE THIS TIGHT SCHEDULE, THERE'S NO WAY I HAVE TIME TO CONVINCE MY NEIGHBORS THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLAN, UM, TO INGEST IT, UM, DIGEST IT, AND THEN SPIT IT BACK OUT TO THEM SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND IT IN A CLEAR WAY.

UM, MOST OF THEM HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING ALREADY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO CHANGE THEIR MIND, UM, IN THIS SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT WE COULD WORK WITH COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT SOME, UM, BUDGETING ISSUES ON THIS AND, AND EXTEND IT A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

AND OH, A COMMENT IS FROM STAFF KEEP, I KEEP, JUST BE HONEST, I FEEL LIKE I KEEP DANCING AROUND, UH, A FEW CORE QUESTIONS WE'RE TRYING TO ASK.

SO ONE, IF IN TERMS OF THIS THING SEEMING TIGHT, UM, OR SHORT OR WHATNOT, I'M, I'M CURIOUS FOR THIS BODY, WHAT IS A TIME, WHAT'S A GOOD DAY? HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED, UH, TO REVIEW THIS PROPERLY? UM, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP, KEEP SAYING IT'S RUSHED, BUT I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR, CLEAR DIRECTION.

SO IF YOU ALL CAN HELP ME AND HELP OUR TEAM GET THAT, SO WE CAN PROVIDE A SCHEDULE THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU, UM, THAT'LL BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

SO IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING, IF MARCH 8TH OR MARCH 28TH IS A DATE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A PARTICULAR DAY THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

UM, SO WE CAN MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS.

BUT JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S A RUSH DATE AND WITH NOT FEEDBACK, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.

WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT THIS, THIS WORK WITH YOU ALL.

AND I, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IT, IT'S NOT JUST TWO MEETINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WE'RE TAKING INPUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON REFERENCED A MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS THERE AS WELL.

UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE NEXT TWO MONTHS OF THIS PROCESS IN WHICH WE WOULD THEN HAVE SPECIAL CALLED MEANINGS DURING THAT PROCESS AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A RUSHED PROCESS WHERE THERE'S ONLY A, A FINITE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU CAN, THAT THE PUBLIC COULD, COULD COMMENT OR COULD COME AND PROVIDE THAT INPUT.

IT'S MEANT TO BE THIS I A, A MORE ROBUST PROCESS THAT JUST HAS SOME SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS FOR A CPC, WHERE IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL THINGS WHERE YOU SAY, WE WOULD LOVE YOU TO COME OUT AND TALK TO OUR COMMUNITY OR OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT, TO GET THAT INPUT TO THEN COME BACK AT A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING AND BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER HALL, WE, WE TALKED WITH SO AND SO, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WE TALKED WITH SO AND SO, AND THEY BROUGHT THIS UP.

AND THAT'S THAT SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR US TO THEN BRING THAT PUBLIC INPUT TO CPC IF THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE NOT ABLE, UH, TO ATTEND THOSE SPECIAL, UH, CALLED MEETINGS.

MR. FORSYTH, MY MAIN REQUEST, UH, CHAIRMAN SHADI, WOULD BE TO ALLOW US TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE WE COMPLETE OUR DELIBERATIONS.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE HERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, THE MEETING ON THURSDAY, MARCH 28TH TO GO OVER THE PLACE TYPES, AND THEN WE HAVE THE MEETING, UH, IN THE AFTERNOON OR IN THE MORNING OR THE AFTERNOON ON THURSDAY THE 11TH TO DO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

AND, AND THEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER THAT.

SO, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MEETINGS SCHEDULED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CPC TO I, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE FINALIZE OUR DELIBERATIONS.

COMPLETELY AGREE.

YES, COMPLETELY AGREE.

AND, AND, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FORWARD DALLAS IS ON OUR AGENDA AT EVERY CPC HEARING MOVING FORWARD.

IN FACT, IT'S, IT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY FOR MORE THAN JUST THIS DISCUSSION.

UH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THE SOONER WE, WE GET FOLKS IN HERE, UH, WE WILL KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE LATTER PART OF THIS CALENDAR HERE.

'CAUSE TODAY WE'RE NOT DECIDING WHERE WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON IT TODAY.

WE'RE DECIDING WE'RE JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION, AND WE'RE TAKING INPUT IN TERMS OF WHEN WE WANT TO HEAR, UH, FROM FOLKS.

AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT SOONER THAN LATER.

AND I'M LOOKING AT, UH, THE EVENING OF THE 18TH AND MAY 2ND.

UH, WE, WE GO AHEAD AND, AND SCHEDULE THOSE, CALL THOSE AND ALLOW FOLKS TO COME IN.

AND ONCE, ONCE WE GET THAT INPUT, I THINK THE REST OF IT WILL, WILL HOPEFULLY BE CLEAR.

THANKS, RUBEN.

JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION.

I KNOW YOU REFERENCED MAY 2ND, WHICH IS ON OUR DOCUMENT AS A RECOMMENDATION DATE, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION DATE OR JUST A DATE FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.

JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.

HEARD SO FAR, UM, THERE ARE ONLY A FEW HANDFUL OF PLACE NIGHTS THAT NEED PROBABLY, PROBABLY THE ENTIRE OF THE, THE MEETING TO FOCUS ON.

THAT'S A THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

MY APOLOGIES.

YES, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ON, UH, SIX NINE ON THE 18TH, 69 ON THE SECOND.

COMMISSIONER

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HAMPTON.

CAN, CAN WE, UH, MOVE THE, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE PLACE TYPES TO THE 11TH AND THEN MOVE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN DISCUSSION TO THE, IN, INTO MAY, LIKE MAY 2ND, SO THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, FINALIZE OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

JUST CONFIRM WHAT YOU SAID.

YOU'RE JUST SAYING, SHOULD WE, COULD WE MOVE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN DISCUSSION TO MAY 2ND? UH, THAT I, I APOLOGIZE, MR. AGU, COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? I DID NOT, I WAS, I WAS MAKING NOTES IN .

NO, I BELIEVE I HEARD FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH THE SUGGESTION OF MOVING THE APRIL 11TH IMPLEMENTATION PLAN DISCUSSION TO MAY 2ND.

IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

WELL, I, I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND COMMISSIONER, UH, IS TO KEEP THOSE TWO THAT ARE HARD CODED IN WITH THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADD ANOTHER SPECIAL WORKSHOP AFTER WE GET THE PUBLIC INPUT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING.

ONCE WE HAVE THOSE TWO DATES, WE COULD ALWAYS ADD ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT? WELL, FOR JUST, WELL, I'M SUGGESTING THIS ALSO NOT ONLY TO GET TO PUBLIC FEEDBACK BEFORE WE FINALIZE OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT ALSO TO SPREAD IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATING TO MELISSA AND, AND FOLKS LIKE MELISSA AND NOT MYSELF WHO WORKED DURING THE DAY TOO.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE THE THINKING IS IS THAT WE HAVE ONE MAJOR MEETING IN, IN MAYBE APRIL, AND THEN ONE MAJOR MEETING IN MAY.

AND SO WE'RE NOT LIKE DOING EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, JUST WITHIN LIKE A TWO WEEK PERIOD OF TIME.

THAT'S TRUE.

I, I WANT TO, I DON'T THINK IF, IF I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WE'RE NOT FINALIZING PLACE TYPES DESCRIPTIONS OF THE MAPS ON THE THURSDAY, MARCH 28TH MEETING.

WE'RE NOT FINALIZING THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AT THOSE MEETINGS.

THAT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION THAT THAT FINALIZATION PART WILL HAPPEN.

YES, YES.

AFTER THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS, LET ME CLARIFY THAT.

PERFECT.

SO MARCH 28TH, THAT'S GONNA BE A TIME TO DISCUSS THE PLACE TYPES AND THE PLACE TYPE MAP.

SO WHEN WE GET THAT FEEDBACK, STAFF IS GONNA GO AND MAKE EDITS AND TWEAKS TO THE DOCUMENT, UM, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL PROVIDED TO US DURING THAT MEETING.

UH, APRIL 11TH.

UH, ONCE THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED, THEN THAT WILL GET SHARED AND DISSEMINATED TO YOU ALL, AND THE PUBLIC.

AND THE PUBLIC CAN THEN COME AS WELL AFTER THAT MEETING TO HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT VERSION THAT YOU ALL CONFIRM AND CLARIFY AND HELP AND DEVELOP BY THE END OF APRIL.

AND THERE'LL BE ONE, TWO, HOWEVER MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT YOU ALL FEEL ARE, ARE ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THAT REVISED DOCUMENT.

SO THE TWO SESSIONS, TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPING THE LANGUAGE ON THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS AND MAP AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

WE AS STAFF WILL GET THOSE COMMENTS, CREATE A REVISED DRAFT BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION, PUBLISH THAT FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW.

AND THEN THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS WHILE THOSE WORKSHOPS ARE OCCURRING, UH, WHAT OUR QUESTIONS ARE.

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE PUBLIC TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION? SO SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU HAVE A ZONING CASE, IT GETS BRIEFED, YOU DISCUSS IT, AND THEN THE PUBLIC COMES AND HAS, HAS OPEN DIALOGUE ABOUT IT.

IT COULD BE THE SAME THING WHERE YOU DISCUSS THE PARTICULAR PLAN DOCUMENT AND YOU HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT SAME DAY.

THAT'S A SUGGESTION ON APRIL 11TH.

OR IF THEY WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE OTHER DAYS IN BETWEEN THE WORKSHOPS, WE CAN DO THAT TOO AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT, UH, BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD WITH K CLUB, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE UNREALISTIC THAT ONE WORKSHOP, UH, WHATEVER DATE IT IS, IS GONNA GET, I MEAN, A FIVE HOUR WORKSHOP IS NOT GOING TO GET THIS GROUP THROUGH ALL OF THE PLACE TYPES AND THE MAP.

I, I, I WOULD FULLY EXPECT THAT TO TAKE AT LEAST TWO RIGHT NOW.

GOOD POINT.

SO TWO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.

I THINK THE CLUB THAT WE'RE CREATING THOSE DESCRIPTIONS AND THOSE PLACE TYPES, I THINK THIS ONE, LIKE WE, WHEN WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, WE WENT THROUGH THOSE FIRST TWO PLACE TYPES, BASICALLY FIVE MINUTES EACH.

SO I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE FEW PLACE TYPES THAT WE NEED TO DELVE INTO A BIT MORE, BUT IN GENERAL, UH, THOSE PLACE TYPES, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE WE HAD SO FAR, THOSE HAVE GONE PRETTY QUICKLY.

'CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY TEXT THERE AND YOU ALL CAN PROVIDE US WITH THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE THOSE MEETINGS TOO.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE TEXT REVIEW AND, AND TWEAKING.

UM, BUT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE

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UM, AND THEN WE CAN GET THE FEEDBACK ON THE OTHER PLACE TYPES IF WE FOCUS ON THOSE FIRST.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THANK YOU.

I, I THINK SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS WE'RE PLANNING THESE MEETINGS IS HAVING A LITTLE TIME BETWEEN THE MEETINGS TO DIGEST AND DISCUSS IN OUR OWN COMMUNITIES THE CHANGES.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE STAFF GETS IT TO US BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, WE NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY REVIEW IT AND DIGEST IT AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND THE OTHER THING I MIGHT SUGGEST IS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT TIMES TO HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS BETWEEN OURSELVES, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT TIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WORKDAY, WE MIGHT LOOK AT EVENINGS OR MAYBE EVEN A WEEKEND, MAYBE A SATURDAY.

I MEAN, I'M HEARING COMMISSIONER HERBERT SAY HE HAS TO TAKE VACATION TIME.

AND I KNOW OTHERS OF US, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT MY, MY CALENDAR AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M ALREADY GONNA HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE TO COVER SOME STUFF.

SHAME ON ME FOR MISSING THE LAST WEEK, , UH, BE BECAUSE STUFF GOT SCHEDULED.

SO MAYBE THAT IS A SOLUTION IF FOLKS ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT.

I STILL THINK THAT THIS SCHEDULE'S VERY AGGRESSIVE.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THIS CONTRACT, BUT THIS IS A MAKING THAT'S NOT OURS.

THIS IS, THIS IS A SITUATION THAT WE WEREN'T CONSULTED ON.

AND IT'S A SCHEDULE THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US NOW, NOT EVEN THREE MONTHS AGO WHEN WE COULD HAVE LAID OUT A CALENDAR.

I MEAN, WE SET OUR CALENDAR IN DECEMBER AND AT THAT POINT YOU KNEW YOUR CONTRACT WAS ENDING AND YOU COULD HAVE SAID, HEY, THIS IS ON THE HORIZON.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE PROBABLY NEED TO BUILD INTO THE CALENDAR INSTEAD.

THIS IS GETTING PRESENTED TO US NOW AND WE'RE BEING ASKED TO SCHEDULE ALL THESE MEETINGS IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, SIX WEEKS.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THIS BODY OR TO THE PUBLIC OR TO ALL OF THE OTHER COMMITMENTS.

THE REST OF US AROUND THE HORSESHOE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SO I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT NEXT STEP IS TO START TAKING PUBLIC INPUT.

UH, EXCEPT I THINK THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE WITH THE MAY 2ND DATE.

AND THAT IS THAT WE HAVE A, A REGULARLY SCHEDULED CPC HEARING ON THAT DATE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT'S THAT? I AGREE.

I MO I NOTED THEM AT THE BOTTOM.

YEAH, BECAUSE I RAN OUTTA SPACE.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH IT UNTIL THIS VERY MOMENT.

AND I, I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA, UH, PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER.

UH, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING PUBLIC INPUT POSSIBLY TILL ONE IN THE MORNING.

UH, SO LET'S DO, UH, APRIL 18TH AND MAY 9TH.

UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM SIXTH TO NINTH ON APRIL 18TH AND MAY 9TH.

AND A QUESTION WOULD YOU ALL WANT? YES, SIR.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

WOULD YOU ALL WANT TO HAVE THE PUBLIC, UM, PROVIDE COMMENTS ON APRIL 11TH OR JUST PURELY WORKSHOP BASED? 'CAUSE UH, I THINK WHEN WE CONFIRMED THAT, JUST WORKSHOP.

JUST WORKSHOP.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE TWO PRIMARY MEETINGS BEFORE WE EVER GET TO A PUBLIC COMMENT.

I DISAGREE WITH THAT.

CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU SHA, PASTOR.

NINTH, 18TH, AND THE NINTH.

COMMISSION.

SO LET'S GET BACK TO OUR, CAN WE JUST GO OVER YES.

THE FINAL THAT WAY I'M, I KNOW, YES, OUR SECRETARY'S GONNA GO OVER, UH, WHAT WE JUST DOCUMENTED OR I CAN, I CAN SAY THAT TOO AS WELL.

SO, UH, JUST TO CONFIRM WHAT WE HAVE SAID, UM, MARCH 28TH, THAT'S GONNA BE A WORKSHOP 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM UH, APRIL 11TH.

THAT'S GONNA BE A WORKSHOP, UH, WORKSHOP ONLY, UH, WHERE WE ARE DISCUSSING THE DOCUMENT, UH, WITHOUT PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UH, APRIL 18TH, THAT'S NOT NINE TO TWO, EXCUSE ME.

9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM ON THE 11TH.

ON THE 11TH AND THE 28TH.

AND THEN APRIL 18TH IS A THURSDAY.

UH, WE WOULD OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 6:00 PM TO 9:00 PM UH, TIME, CERTAIN MEETINGS, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC.

THAT WOULD ALSO OCCUR ON, UH, THURSDAY, MAY 9TH.

THERE'LL BE TWO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS, UH, JUST FOR HEARING WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY RE REGARDING THAT.

SO ON APRIL 18TH, THERE WILL NOT BE A WORKSHOP DURING THE DAY.

SO THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T SCHEDULED A WORKSHOP, BUT BASED ON FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT ALSO HEARING FROM THE CO, UM, THE NO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A SCHEDULED WORKSHOP ON THERE.

NO'S NOT ON MAY 18.

THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SCHEDULED WORKSHOP.

NO, BUT YEAH, I'M SORRY.

I THINK YOU MISSPOKE THERE.

YOU SAID THERE'S ALREADY A, A SCHEDULED WORKSHOP

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ON THERE.

I SAID THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, OKAY.

MY APOLOGIES WAS NOT, NO.

SO THERE'S NOT A SCHEDULED WORKSHOP, BUT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'RE HEARING, IF THERE IS NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, FROM THIS BODY OR CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT, UH, THOSE MEETINGS OR THOSE DATES ARE OPEN FOR THAT, UH, EARLIER IN THE DAY.

SO I GUESS WITH THIS BODY, UH, AFTER WE GO THROUGH MARCH 28TH, APRIL 11TH, IF WE NEED MORE TIME TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ALL, WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO USE THOSE PLACEHOLDERS BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THE DISCUSSION WITH FORT DALLAS? WOULD THAT BE OKAY ON APRIL, UH, 18TH AND MAY 9TH? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

JUST A THOUGHT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN ON OUR REGULARLY CALLED MEETINGS, I CONSIDER THOSE DAYS SHOT FOR, FOR PERSONAL AND WORK PURPOSES, CORRECT.

WE HAVE THAT, THAT APRIL 4TH DATE RIGHT THERE WHERE WE SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A HOUR, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO WORK LATE.

WE MAY WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH OF A CONTINUED WORKSHOP WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, RIGHT ON THE PLACE TYPES, THE PLACE TYPES, YOU KNOW, OVERFLOWS ON APRIL 4TH.

SO APRIL 4TH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP TOO.

SO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS, THIS TIME WHERE I'M DISCUSSING WITH YOU ALL, I LIKELY HAVE AN HOUR, UH, WITH YOU ALL.

WE CAN CONTINUE HAVING ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT WEREN'T, UH, CONCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

UH, WE CAN WRAP THOSE UP OR CONTINUE THOSE ON THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING DURING THIS TIME, JUST A MINI VERSION OF OUR WORKSHOP.

UH, WE COULD DO THE SAME WITH, UH, ADDITIONAL REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS FROM NOW TO, TO MAY IF NEEDED.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE WORKSHOP, UH, FULL DAY MEETINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

EXCELLENT POINT.

WE ALSO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF DOING THAT ON MAY 2ND, CORRECT? YES.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT.

NOW, SO I CAN GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN TOO IF YOU WANT ME TO.

SO, UH, MARCH 28TH FROM NINE TO TWO 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM WE'RE GONNA HAVE WORKSHOP, UM, APRIL 4TH, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT AN HOUR, UM, APRIL 11TH.

YEAH, NO, APRIL 4TH IS JUST A REGULAR CPC DAY WHERE FORWARD DALLAS IS ALREADY SCHEDULED TO BE DISCUSSED.

YOU UNDERSTOOD? OKAY.

APRIL 11TH IS A, A WORKSHOP FROM NINE TO TWO, CORRECT? MM-HMM, , UM, ARE WE HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT AT ALL? NO.

NO.

SO THAT'S A NO.

AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FROM ONE TO FIVE? UH, NO, SORRY.

SO THE ONE TO FIVE WAS AN OPTIONAL, UM, TIME TWEAK IF WE WERE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WORKSHOP APRIL 11TH, 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM OKAY.

APRIL 18TH, EVENING 6:00 PM TO 9:00 PM PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT.

THURSDAY, MAY 2ND.

NOTHING 'CAUSE WE HAVE CPC MEETING DATE.

THERE WILL BE A FOLLOW FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION THOUGH YES.

ON REGULAR, ALTHOUGH FOUR DOWNS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.

AGENDA ON MAY 2ND.

AND THURSDAY, MAY 9TH, UM, EVENING 6:00 PM RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL AND PUBLIC HEARING THOUGH.

SO IT WOULD BE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, UH, AS WELL.

PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

YES, THE SAME.

SO WE'LL LEAD TAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE 18TH, APRIL 18TH AND MAY 9TH, SIX TO 9:00 PM AND THEN WHAT THAT WOULD DO, JUST LOOKING AT THAT LAST LINE, UH, THE DELIVERABLES, THE TENTATIVE DELIVERABLES, UH, LIKELY HAVING A REVISED CPC DRAFT SOMETIME EARLY MAY, UH, JUST ACCOMMODATE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MOVING, UH, A FEW MEETINGS INTO MAY.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A REVISED CPC DRAFT APRIL 26TH, WHICH IS AGAIN TENTATIVE, UH, WE WOULD LOOK TO HAVING A DRAFT EARLY MAY, UM, AFTER WE GET THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, MAY 9TH.

SO A FEW WEEKS TWEAK AND WE'LL PROVIDE THOSE UPDATES NEXT TIME WE MEET, UM, BEFORE OUR WORKSHOP.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

SO THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, .

WE'LL SEE YOU DURING LUNCH IF WE HAVE TIME.

UH, APPRECIATE IT.

UH, LET'S GO BACK INTO THE DOCKET.

UH, BELIEVE THAT WE DID CASE NUMBER FOUR.

UH, THE ZONING CASE IS UNDER ADVISEMENT.

COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT WE HAVE 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT, AND THEY'RE ALL STILL MY CONSENT.

UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FIVE, MS. GARZA.

GOOD

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MORNING.

OH, OKAY.

FIVE MAY BE TAKEN OFF.

CONSENT COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS KZ 2 2 3 2 1 9.

THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PA PARKING DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT B TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 49, THE BAYLOR UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND AN LORD LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND AN LO THREE DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF NORTH STREET, SOUTHWEST OF NO HASKELL AVENUE.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 26,136 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THIS IS A LOCATION MAP.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP, AND THEN THIS IS A ZONING MAP, UM, SURROUNDING USES, UH, IT'S A MEDICAL CLINIC OR, UM, BLUE CHERRY SURGICAL CENTER TO THE NORTH, UH, WEST, UH, MEDICAL CLEANER OR AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER TO THE SOUTH AS WELL TO THE SOUTH, UM, EAST.

AND THEN THERE'S A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN SERVICE AND A SERVICE PARKING TO THE NORTH.

THE AREA OF QUIZ IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND ZONED SUBDISTRICT B TWO, UH, WITHIN PLANTARIUM DISTRICT NUMBER 7 49, THE BAY UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER.

UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH A SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR A PROPOSED MEDICAL CLEAR ORATORY SURGICAL CENTER USED ACROSS THE ALLEY TO THE NORTHWEST.

THUS, THEY ARE REQUESTING A PA PARKING DISTRICT.

THE DALLAS VALLEY CODE SM ESTABLISHES THAT A PA PARKING CONDITION MUST BE EITHER CONTAGIOUS TO OR PERPENDICULAR OR ACROSS AN ADJOINING STREET OR ALLEY FROM A MAIN USE.

A PA JUST REQUIRES APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON ONSITE LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST SURROUNDING USES ON ONSITE, LOOKING NORTH ON ONSITE LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST BY LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE DELIVERING STANDARDS.

SO WHAT'S EXISTING ON WHAT THEY'RE NOW PROPOSING IS A PA DISTRICT.

AND THEN, UM, SO THIS IS ORIGINALLY THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS, UH, ATTACHED TO, TO THE DOCKET.

HOWEVER, THEY DID, UH, SEND A REVISION LAST WEEK, UM, AFTER THE DOCKET WAS PUBLISHED.

HOWEVER, WE DID RECEIVE A NEW LATEST REVISION, UH, TODAY, THIS MORNING, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS SENT, UH, TO EVERYONE.

SO THE DIFFERENCE, UH, BETWEEN, UM, THE LATE LAST, UH, REVISED, UM, IS THAT THEY NOW ARE INCLUDING THE MA IN HEIGHT OF THE SCREENING HEDGE.

UM, AND THEY DID, UM, SO THEY ADDED NOTES CLARIFYING MINIMUM SCREENING, HEDGE HEIGHT OF 42 INCHES, PARKING LOT LINING AND PEDESTRIAN LINING.

AND THEN THEY SHIFTED ONE TREE TO THE PARKING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TREE PLANTING ZONE, MEANING THE PD 7 49 REQUIREMENTS.

UM, IT IS WITHIN THE AIR, THE 360 PLAN.

UM, THE PROPOSED LINE USE WILL SERVE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER ACROSS THE ALLEY TO THE NORTHWEST.

THE USE OF THE PARKING LOT ALLOWS THE UTILIZATION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF JUNIOR STREET AND HASKELL AVENUE.

AND THEN, UM, STAFF RECOGNITION IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AS, UH, BRIEFED.

COMMISSIONER HAN PLEASE.

AND THANK YOU MS. GARZA FOR LITERALLY PICKING THAT UP.

SO I KNOW YOU JUST RECEIVED THAT THIS MORNING.

UM, IS IT CORRECT, UM, THAT PART OF THE BAYLOR, UM, PD INCLUDES A PEDESTRIAN LINKAGE STREET ALONG NORTH STREET? ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT IN PD 7 49? I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.

I WAS NOT AWARE UNTIL IT WAS, UH, PREVIOUS.

AND, UM, WELL, THE PROVISIONS OF A PEDESTRIAN LINKAGE STREET, UM, WOULD, UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE REASON WHY THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THE SITE PLAN IS TO REFLECT THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS? UM, IN THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE US TODAY?

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AND THAT THERE'S ALSO PROVISIONS WITHIN THAT PD, UM, THAT SPEAK TO HOW SURFACE PARKING LOTS SHOULD BE DEVELOPED, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE ALONG THOSE, UM, LINKAGE STREETS TO HELP PROMOTE WALKABILITY, SHADE STANDARDS, PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE US.

IS THAT FAIR? IS THAT AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT? YES.

AND THEN, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A P DISTRICT, WE ARE ALLOWED TO INCLUDE THE SITE PLAN AS A PART OF THAT IS OR, OR PART OF THE ZONING CONSIDERATION? YES, BECAUSE IT'S A PA DISTRICT.

IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

AND, UM, I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME TREES THAT ARE INDICATED ON HERE, THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT ON THE SITE PLAN JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE CERTAINTY ON WHAT THAT IT'S MEETING THE STANDARDS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE REQUIRED PER THE PD.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND ONE FINAL QUESTION IN YOUR, UM, STAFF REPORT, I JUST WANNA MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

WHEN YOU DID YOUR, UM, PARKING NUMBERS, UM, AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER IS, IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE BAYLOR PD, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'VE GOT A SUMMARY ON PAGE FIVE FOUR THAT TALKS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER REQUIRES THE NUMBER OF SPACES FOR THIS SURFACE PARKING LOT, AND THAT MATH DOESN'T NECESSARILY WORK.

UM, BUT THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER AS A PART OF THE SEPARATE BAYLOR PD HAS A SPECIAL PURPOSE PARKING DISTRICT.

ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? NO.

UM, OKAY.

I, I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF WE NEED TO DO THAT.

I THINK THE, I JUST, ANY OF MY COMMISSIONERS WHO READ THAT AND WONDERED WHY THE MATH DIDN'T WORK, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST, BUT IT'S ALSO BECAUSE IT'S COVERED WITHIN THAT PD.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS CLEAR.

YES, I DID GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE ASK.

THANK YOU MS. GARZA.

UM, MR. CHAIR MASK A QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

ABSOLUTELY.

PLEASE.

UM, MR. MOORE, UM, WE RECEIVED A SITE PLAN, A REVISED SITE PLAN THIS MORNING THAT MS. GARZA HAS BRIEFED.

UM, THERE'S ALSO COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ON A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT.

UM, DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE APPLICANT STATE THAT ON THE RECORD AND REMOVE THIS FROM CONSENT, OR CAN IT BE AS BRIEFED? IT'S CLEANER COMMISSIONER TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CONSENT AND DO IT AS OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. MOORE, IF WE MAY HEAR THIS INDIVIDUALLY, PLEASE.

OF COURSE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MS. GARZA.

MS. GARZA, I NOTICED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THIS PARKING LOT SHOWS A DUMPSTER.

I I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A DUMPSTER ON A, A FREESTANDING PARKING LOT BEFORE.

COULD YOU, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE IS THERE? UM, I DID ASK THE APPLICANT AND THEY MENTIONED THAT IT IS GONNA BE PART OF WHAT THEY'RE, UM, BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE ALLEY, AND THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY, THEY PUT IT IN.

ARE THEY REQUIRED TO GET A WAIVER FOR THAT? I AM NOT AWARE.

OF COURSE, I I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE, I, I DID ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT AND I BELIEVE THEY CAN SPEAK TO IT.

IT, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A DUMPSTER WAIVER.

I LEARNED ABOUT THAT THIS WEEK.

SO WELL ASK MR. R THIS AFTERNOON.

COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SO WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE OFF.

CONSENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER SIX, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MS. GARZA.

GOOD MORNING, MR. PEPPI.

IT LOOKS GOOD ONLINE.

OKAY, SO ITEM SIX IS Z 2 2 3 2 4 2 2 3 2 4 3.

AND IT'S LOCATED OFF OF PRESTON ROAD IN NORTH DALLAS.

AND THAT, THAT SLIDE, THIS HAS BEEN NOTIFIED DIFFERENTLY.

AND OF COURSE YOU MAY KNOW, UH, BUT THIS IS A NEW SUB AREA IN TRACK FOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 4, THE PRESTON CENTER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.

IT HAS BEEN RE NOTIFIED AS SUCH AND IT'S ON THE NORTH LINE OF COLGATE AVENUE BETWEEN WESTCHESTER DRIVE AND PRESTON ROAD, 3.4 ACRES.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO ALLOWABLE USES, PARKING AND SIDEWALKS TO ALLOW THE REPLACEMENT OF A BUILDING FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL USE.

AND SO HERE'S THE PRIVATE SCHOOL IN QUESTION

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AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

AND SO TO THE NORTH THERE'S OFFICE TWO, OFFICE HIGH RISES, THERE'S A REMOTE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

THERE ARE OUT PROPERTIES OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT TO THE WEST, SOUTH AND EAST.

HERE'S THE PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS TODAY WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS.

AND THE PD IS FROM 1989.

TRACK FOUR IS CURRENTLY, IT'S CURRENTLY IN TRACK FOUR AND IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THAT CHURCH AND PRIVATE SCHOOL USES, GENERALLY THE TRACK DEFAULTS TO MU TWO.

PRIVATE SCHOOL IS OF COURSE NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THAT MU TWO, UH, BUT THE PROVISIONS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO, UH, THE EXISTING PRIVATE SCHOOL USE BY RIGHT.

UM, INCLUDES IMPROVED SIDEWALKS, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND STREET FURNITURE AND SHARED PARKING, ALL OF THOSE BEING KIND OF STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT WE'D SEE FOR SCHOOLS BUILT TODAY.

SO THEY CAN REPLACE THEIR BUILDING.

HERE IS PROPERTY FROM COLGATE LOOKING NORTHEAST ON COLGATE.

LOOKING NORTHWEST ON COLGATE.

I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY ENTRANCES OF THE SCHOOL AND GOING AROUND, THAT'S ACTUALLY ON PRESTON LOOKING WEST TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHURCH, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING WEST DOWN.

COLGATE, UH, THAT IS THE BUILDING TO BE REPLACED PRIMARILY UNDER THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND THAT FRONT'S COLGATE.

WE'RE GONNA TURN THE CORNER FROM COLGATE AND GO NORTH A LITTLE BIT.

AGAIN, THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT WE REPLACED AND THAT'S THE PLAY AREA AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

AND BACK ON PRESTON, IT'S THE OFFICE HIGH RISE TO THE NORTH.

UM, JUST LOOKING AT PRESTON SIDEWALK WITHIN THE CITY, DALLAS, LOOKING EAST ACROSS PRESTON AT OUTSIDE A CITY LIMIT PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT, OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT.

LOOKING AT THE ALLEY THAT KIND OF IS TO THE WEST OF THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, AS WELL AS THE REMOTE COMMUNITY CENTER ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SAME FACILITY.

AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS THE EXPANSION BUILDING, UH, OR THE REPLACEMENT BUILDING IN RELATION TO ITS BUILDING.

IT'S REPLACING THE CHURCH AS WELL.

AND THEY WILL NOW HAVE, THEY WILL NOW HAVE A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN DID NOT BEFORE AS THEIR PICKUP OPTIONS WHERE THEY QUEUE THROUGH THEIR OTHER, UH, REMOTE COMMUNITY CENTER SITE.

AND THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE BASIC YARD LOT IN SPACE OF TRACK FOUR.

UM, THEY DO ALLOW THAT PRIVATE SCHOOL USE BY RIGHT, AND IF THEY SHOULD, SHOULD DEVELOP THAT, UH, THEY DO HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF SIDEWALK, REBUILD SOME SIDEWALK.

UM, AND INSTALL STREET FURNITURE AS DESCRIBED HERE.

UH, WESTCHESTER WOULD LIKELY GET A NEW SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.

UM, THEY HAVE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALKS ON COLGATE AND PRESTON.

UM, THOSE ARE UNOBSTRUCTED AND WE LIKE TO MAINTAIN THOSE AT A MINIMUM.

AND STREET FURNITURE IS GONNA BE LOCATED NEAR THEIR PORTION WHERE THEY'RE EXPANDING ON WESTCHESTER.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HALL.

THANK YOU MR. PEPE.

UM, I THINK MAYBE WE OUGHT TO SAY THAT THE REASON THAT, UH, UH, THE, UH, CURRENT ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW A PRIVATE SCHOOL, PRIVATE SCHOOL ACTUALLY EXISTED BEFORE THE ZONING WENT INTO EFFECT.

PRIVATE SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN 1948.

YEAH, YOU GOT IT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THEN THE PDS FROM 89 AND THEN I DON'T THINK SCHOOLS WERE, UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY WEREN'T TAKEN OUT BY RIGHT UNTIL THE 87 CODE, SO, OKAY.

YEAH, IT'S BEEN AROUND A WHILE.

SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF RECTIFYING, UH, AN, UH, O OLDER PROPERTY, OLDER BUILDING WITH, UH, WITH THE NEW EXISTING CODES.

AND SO THEY CAN, AND SO THEY CAN REPLACE THAT, THAT BUILDING.

AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TOO, THAT THE BUILDING THEY'RE TEARING DOWN THERE IS GONNA BE REPLACED AT ON THE SAME SITE.

WITH A SLIGHTLY LARGER BUILDING.

YEAH, CORRECT.

UH, AND THEN NONE OF THE, UH, TRAFFIC FOR LOAD DROP OFF IN PICKUP IS GONNA TAKE PLACE ON PRESTON OR ANY MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

IT'S ALL ON SIDE STREETS.

CITY OF DALLAS RIGHT AWAY.

IT'S, IT'S NOT ALLOWED, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON ANY

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YEAH, IT'D BE MOSTLY ON THEIR ALLEY.

UM, THEIR KIND OF DRIVE BEHIND THEIR SCHOOL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH CITY UNIVERSITY PARK.

FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER HURRO.

I, I FREAKED WITH THIS PLACE A LOT.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THE AFTERNOONS CURRENTLY.

WILL THIS HELP REDUCE THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN ON THOSE SIDE STREETS THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS? IT TOOK, IT TOOK ME FOUR TO FIVE MINUTES ONE DAY TO GET OUT OF, UH, PARKING THERE.

IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE THEY'LL ADD SOME DOUBLE STACKING ON SITE.

THEY, THEY'RE MOVING AROUND, THEY'RE STARTING TO QUEUE FURTHER BACK.

THERE IS NO TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN TODAY.

UM, I'M SURE THEY PLAN FOR IT INFORMALLY, BUT NOW THERE'S A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DOUBLE STACKING ON THEIR, UH, REMOTE COMMUNITY CENTER ALLEY AND THEN THROUGH THE BACK OF THEIR SITE.

SO I, I CERTAINLY THINK IT SHOULD IMPROVE IT.

THEY'RE NOT EXPANDING ENROLLMENT EITHER, SO.

GOTCHA.

MANAGE.

AND ARE THEY, ARE THEY EXPANDING PARKING AT ALL? THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT EXPANDING THEIR, THEIR PARKING.

NO.

'CAUSE SHOULD MAINTAIN, MAINTAIN AS IT IS.

PARKING ON SUNDAY IS TOUGH, BUT NEITHER HERE, THERE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I ALSO VISIT THAT SITE QUITE A BIT ON SUNDAYS.

COMMISSIONER HALL? YEAH.

AND, AND ANSWER TO THAT, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS THE CHASE BANK AND THE CHURCH HAS A RELATION, A CHURCH ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT CHANGE CHASE BANK IS ON.

AND SO THEY HAVE A PARKING AGREEMENT SO THEY CAN UTILIZE, UH, THE, THE BANK'S PARKING GARAGE.

THEY CAN UTILIZE A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE BANK'S, UH, SURFACE PARKING, UH, AS WELL.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

'CAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS TALKING ILLEGALLY.

THANK YOU FOR THE HALL.

NEVER.

I HAVE RUN TO MY CAR MANY, MANY A TIMES THERE THINKING IT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? COMMISSIONERS.

MR. PE.

GO TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN.

SCREEN.

ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE SCREEN? WE CAN.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? NO QUESTIONS.

UH, SO THIS IS CASE, UH, Z 2 3 4 1 30.

IT'S A NEW SUP FOR, UH, 8 1 2 9 SCION ROAD.

SO THE REQUEST IS A NEW SUP TO ALLOW AN OFFICE SHOWROOM SLASH WAREHOUSE USE IN, UH, PD 360 6 SUBDISTRICT ONE.

THIS IS LOCATED AT 8 1 2 9 ION ROAD.

IT'S, UH, LOCATED WITHIN PD 360 6 SUBDISTRICT ONE, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 1.259 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE.

HERE YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION MAP IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, AND HERE ARE THE SURROUNDING USES.

UH, TO THE NORTH.

THERE'S A SELF-STORAGE USE.

UH, TO THE EAST.

THERE'S AN AUTO REPAIR USE AS WELL AS THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.

THERE IS A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT USE.

AND, UH, RETAIL CURRENTLY, UH, IS A, IT'S A PAWN SHOP THERE.

SO THIS, UH, ONCE AGAIN, HERE IS THE, THE ZONING MAP.

SO THE BACKGROUND, THE, UH, PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR AN OFFICE, SHOWROOM AND WAREHOUSE USE.

USE IS ALLOWED IN THE P WITHIN THE PD WITH AN SUP, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH AUTO-RENEWAL, UH, ELIGIBILITY FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS HERE, SOME SITE PHOTOS, THIS IS ON THE SITE LOOKING NORTH, AND THAT EXISTING, UH, BUILDING WILL REMAIN IN USE.

THIS IS, UH, FROM CYAN LOOKING WEST.

THIS IS FROM CYAN LOOKING EAST.

HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, UH, UP TO THE, THE NORTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE, UH, THAT I MENTIONED IN THE SITE PHOTOS.

AND THEN THEY WILL BE, UH, CONSTRUCTING A NEW SHOWROOM'S, UH, OFFICE TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION, AS WELL AS A NEW PRIVATE DRIVE.

ON THE SITE IS THE SITE PLAN ENLARGED AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

THANK, THANK YOU, SIR.

LET'S PICK UP CASE NUMBER EIGHT.

COMMISSIONERS CASE IS ALSO MINE.

SO THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 1 3 5.

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IT IS ALSO A NEW SUP.

IT'S LOCATED AT 5 1 8 SOUTH RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD.

SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A NEW SUP FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT BAR OR TAVERN.

IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF SOUTH RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD.

IT'S LOCATED WITHIN PD 7 84.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, 2,400 SQUARE FEET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT.

ONE LOCATION OF THE MAP IS HERE, AERIAL MAP AND SURROUNDING USES.

IT IS CONNECTED TO, THERE'S A, A LIQUOR STORE JUST TO THE NORTHWEST AND AN AUTO REPAIR USE TO THE, UH, THE SOUTHEAST AND DIRECTLY ACROSS RIVERFRONT.

THERE IS, UH, ANOTHER VAR AS WELL AS, UH, SOME RETAIL, JUST THE ZONING MAP REQUEST DETAILS.

THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST, IS TO ALLOW FOR AN ALCOHOL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT BAR OR TAVERN ON THE SITE.

AND THE REQUEST IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE SUP FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.

UH, AUTO RENEWALS ARE NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THIS PD 'CAUSE ON THE SITE LOOKING NORTH, UH, SITE LOOKING, EXCUSE ME, I I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, THE MAP THERE IS INCORRECT.

I CAN, UH, UPDATE THAT.

BUT THIS IS ON THE SITE.

UH, SO THAT'S ON THE SITE LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

AND THEN THIS IS ON THE SITE LOOKING, UH, DIRECTLY EAST, ACTUALLY.

SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN FOR HERE.

SO THE, THE, UH, AREA OF REQUEST IS IN RED ON THE MAP, AND THIS IS AN ENLARGED SITE PLAN.

AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPRO IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER HALL? UH, THIS IS, UH, NESTLED UP, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF I 30 AND I 35.

UH, IT THERE, ARE THERE ANY SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY? UH, ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THIS? THERE ARE NOT, NO.

UH, IF, IF THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY, THAT'D BE ACROSS THE RIVER, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

GOOD MORNING, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER SLEEPER JOIN US AT 10 19.

LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.

LET'S BE BACK ONLINE AT, UH, 10 30.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

AND YOUR HONOR, SIR , UH, BE BACK ONLINE AT 10 30.

COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE GONNA BE BACK, BACK ON THE RECORD.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

WE DO HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE ARE BACK ON THE, UH, ARE WE RECORDING, SIR? OKAY.

WE ARE RECORDING COMMISSIONER'S.

CASE NUMBER NINE WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL MAY 16TH.

UH, CASE NUMBER 10 WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL APRIL 4TH.

AND THAT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 11, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

IS THERE ANY UPDATES THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT? UH, NO UPDATES.

MY OKAY.

UH, THAT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 12.

I DON'T REMEMBER.

HAS THAT BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE? YES, IT HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS, ANY UPDATES ON, ON NUMBER 12 THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT? NO UPDATES WE OKAY WITH? OKAY.

TAKES US TO NUMBER 13, WHICH, UH, IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL APRIL 4TH, NUMBER 13.

NUMBER 13 IS, YEAH, TAKES US TO HELD UNTIL APRIL 4TH.

PARDON ME WITH, UM, NOT UNTIL APRIL 4TH, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS, THIS, UM, FORWARD DALLAS, STARTING THE FORWARD DALLAS AT THIS POINT.

TWO CASES? TWO CASES, YEAH.

TWO CASES AND ONE TO THE MAY 16TH.

NINE WAS TO APRIL 4TH, NINE WAS TO, UH, MAY 16TH OH NINE.

MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.

CAN WE MAKE IT THE 18TH? YOU BET.

MAY 2ND.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SURE.

, WHICH ONE? OH, DID I HAVE THE WRONG DATE? WE DON'T MEET

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APRIL 14TH.

IS THERE 18? WE DON'T.

WHOOPS.

OH, THERE'S NO 18TH MEETING.

SO WE'LL MOVE NUMBER 10.

WE'LL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL MAY 2ND.

THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER, UH, 11 IS OKAY.

12 IS OKAY.

13 HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL APRIL 4TH.

IT TAKES US TO NUMBER 14.

UH, THIS CASE WILL BE BRIEFED TODAY AND WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC INPUT, BUT I BELIEVE WE'LL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO MAY 2ND.

MAY 2ND, I'M SORRY.

14.

14 WILL BE BRIEFED TODAY.

UH, WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC INPUT AND WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL MAY 2ND.

THAT TAKES US TO YOU, MR. PEPE.

NOW GETTING DOWN TO SURROUNDING USES.

THIS IS Z 2 2 3 1 4 1.

THIS IS LOCATED IN PRESTON CENTER, AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK THREE WITHIN PD 3 1 4 PRESTON CENTER, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.

AND THIS IS AT BOUND BY LUTHER, WESTCHESTER, BERKSHIRE, AND DOUGLAS.

IT'S 4.5 ACRES.

AND PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO FLOOR, AREA RATIO, HEIGHT, DESIGN STANDARDS, AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL, AND OFFICE USES.

HERE IS THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF PRESTON CENTER.

HERE'S OUR OBLIQUES FOR THIS ONE.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN A BUILT UP AREA LIKE PRESTON CENTER.

UM, EVERYTHING IN THE SMALL BLUE OUTLINE IS WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST, OFFICE, HIGH RISE, UM, RETAIL BLOCKS, UH, THE KIND OF BUILT UP RETAIL MALL, AND THEN A PARKING GARAGE OR TWO ALONG WITH THAT.

AND THEN AROUND THE SITE.

RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES AN OFFICE USES TO THE NORTH.

UM, THERE'S RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES TO THE EAST AS WELL AS THE, UH, STRUCTURED PARKING GARAGE.

THERE'S RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE TO THE SOUTHEAST.

THERE'S AN OFFICE, UH, HIGHRISE WITH STRUCTURED PARKING DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, AND THERE'S AN OFFICE HIGHRISE TO THE WEST ACROSS DOUGLAS.

AND SO PD 314 WAS CREATED IN 1989, AND IT IS A MULTI-LEVEL RETAIL CENTER WITH THE ASSOCIATED PARKING GARAGE.

SEVERAL RESTAURANTS, 10 STORY OFFICE BUILDING, ASSOCIATED STRUCTURE PARKING, AND THEY DO INTEND TO REPLACE THE RETAIL AND OFFICE BUILDING ON THE SOUTHERN PART IN THE NEAR TERM IN, IN, IN THIS PROPOSAL.

AND IT DOES INCLUDE THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN HALVES OF THE PARCEL.

SO THE CONDITIONS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS INCLUDE CONSIDERATION OF REDEVELOPMENT OF BOTH OF THOSE, INCLUDING THE NORTHERN PART.

THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEPICTS OFFICE TOWER AND MULTIFAMILY TOWER, GROUND FLOOR RETAIL ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION.

AND THEY ARE REQUESTING ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA RATIO AND HEIGHT.

AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A NEW SUB AREA WITHIN TRACK THREE.

UH, TYING IT TO A MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, FOR A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE OF MIH THAN THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

A PUBLIC REALM DOES HAVE SIGNIFICANT DESIGN STANDARDS, INCREASED TRANSPARENCY, SIDEWALKS, UH, REDUCED DRIVEWAY WIDTHS AND HIDDEN OR REDUCED PARKING.

LET'S GET TO THE SITE.

HERE IT IS AT WESTCHESTER AND LUTHER, IS IT WESTCHESTER? LOOKING NORTH AT THE RETAIL THAT EXISTS TODAY IN THE, UH, HEADING PARKING, GONNA HEAD NORTH UP WESTCHESTER, AND THEN AROUND THE BLOCK GOING DOWN BERKSHIRE ACROSS BACK ON THE STREET AND GOT LOOKING WEST ON BERKSHIRE, TURNING THE CORNER ON DOUGLAS.

LOOKING SOUTH.

THERE'S THE, UH, BACK PARKING GARAGE OF THE, UH, RETAIL MALL PARKING GARAGE.

ENTRANCE TO LOADING AREA FOR THE EXISTING OFFICE.

TOWER CIRCLE DRIVE FOR THE OFFICE TOWER THAT EXISTS TODAY.

GARAGE ENTRANCE FOR THE OFFICE TOWER AND ITS PARKING GARAGE, KIND OF THE FIRST FACADE OF THAT OFFICE BUILDING.

AND THEN THE, UM, STREET ON LUTHER, MOVING EAST, MOVING EAST.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'M ACROSS THE STREET LOOKING NORTH.

THAT'S OUR, THAT'S A STRUCTURED PARKING FACILITY, EXISTS TODAY ALONG LUTHER FROM ACROSS LUTHER AND MOVING TOWARDS, THERE'S A SMALL ALLEY THERE.

THERE IS ADDITIONAL FIRST FLOOR REEF TAIL, UH, NEAR THE CORNER OF LUTHER AND WESTCHESTER MOVING EAST.

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THAT'S DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS SITE.

HAS BUILT OUT ITS GROUND FLOOR RETAIL LOOKING EAST ACROSS WESTCHESTER, LOOKING EAST.

THE STRUCTURED PARKING FACILITY LOOKING NORTHEAST AT MORE OF THE RETAIL AND PARKING FACILITY, LOOKING NORTH UP.

WESTCHESTER, LOOKING NORTH OF ACROSS BERKSHIRE.

THAT'S THE, UH, INTERVENING STREET THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF, BUT IT IS NORTH OF THIS SITE.

AND THEN LOOKING NORTHWEST FIRE STATION NEAR DOUGLAS AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

UM, OFFICE TOWER IS ACROSS DOUGLAS, MORE TOWERS ACROSS DOUGLAS.

MORE OF THAT MOVING BACK TO THE CORNER OF DOUGLAS AND LUTHER AND BACK TO LUTHER, UH, THE SOUTH LUTHER ACROSS THERE WHERE THE OFFICE TOWER IS.

AND THAT'S THE ALLEY, UH, THAT RUNS SOUTH OF THIS SITE.

PERPENDICULAR.

HERE'S THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS THEY PROPOSED IT.

WELL, UM, I'LL JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, YES, IN RED IS THE SECTION THEY PLAN TO REDEVELOP AT THIS TIME.

UH, HOWEVER, THE CONDITIONS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NORTHERN PORTION.

AND AS FOR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WE HAVE OUR EXISTING TRACKS.

IT'S IN TRACK THREE.

AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A SUB AREA WITHIN TRACK THREE.

IT'S BASED ON MU TWO GENERALLY IN TERMS OF USES AND, AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

BUT THEY OVERWRITE A LOT OF THEM WITH FAR LIMITS.

UH, HEIGHT AT 85 RPS APPLIES TO THAT 85 AND A HUNDRED PERCENT LOCK COVERAGE IN THE BASE SIX STORY.

UM, IN THE, UH, CURRENT STORY, MAXIMUM NOT INCLUDING GARAGES.

AND THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY IS THAT OF MIXED USE.

THE PROPOSED MAINLY CHANGES THE FLOOR AREA RATIO WHEN IT'S TIED TO MIXED INCOME HOUSING.

IT SETS A ONE 1.0, UH, FAR MINIMUM FOR THAT, UH, FOR THAT FAR TO, TO ACHIEVE THE FULL BUILD OUT OF 4.5.

AND THEY REQUEST 2 25 AS THEIR MAXIMUM HEIGHT WHEN THE MIH IS INCLUDED.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO RPS.

SO A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SITE AS YOU MOVE FROM NORTH TO SOUTH IS LIMITED BY RPS MORE THAN ANYTHING.

AND 25 IS ONLY THE MAX HEIGHT THAT CAN REACH ON THE SOUTHERNMOST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

LOT COVERAGE REMAINS THE SAME.

THEY TOOK OFF THE STORY MAXIMUM TO BUILD THAT HEIGHT AND PORTIONS THE DESIGN STANDARDS.

I WILL GO THROUGH, UM, SIDEWALKS OF MINIMUM OF SEVEN OBSTRUCTED FEET WITH THE AVERAGE WIDTH TO 10 FEET.

UM, THEY HAVE TO HAVE VERTICAL DELINEATION, UH, BETWEEN DRY AREAS AND SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE, UH, LITTLE BUFFERS OF EITHER BOLLARDS OR LANDSCAPING DISTINCT CROSSINGS.

UH, SERVICE PARKINGS PROHIBITED BUILDING, UH, EITHER BUILDING OR 42 INCH SCREENING MUST BE BUILT AROUND THE GARAGES.

THEY HAVE THE FOUR POINT 1107 PARKING GARAGE, UH, PARKING MINIMUMS, UM, OPEN SPACE.

THIS IS UPDATED FROM THE PREVIOUS POSTING, UM, SO I'LL GET TO THAT LATER.

BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 2000 SQUARE FOOT CONTINUOUS OPEN SPACE ADJACENT TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITH A MINIMUM DEPTH OF 10 FEET.

AND THERE'S AN UPDATE TO THAT THAT I'LL GET TO IN LATER SLIDES.

FENCES ARE PROHIBITED, UH, BETWEEN FACADES OF THE PROPERTY LINE ABOVE FOUR FEET.

UM, ANY UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALK.

TRANSPARENCY IS REQUIRED TO BE EVENLY SPACED THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE ON EACH STREET FACING FACADE WITH A 50% MINIMUM DRIVEWAY WIDTHS AND NUMBERS ARE LIMITED.

SOME TEXT ON THAT.

UM, BUILDING ENTRY, PRIMARY BUILDING ENTRIES NEED TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

STREET FURNITURE WAS ADDED INTO THIS TEXT, UH, PEDESTRIAN SCALE.

LIGHTINGS BUILT INTO THE BASE OF PD THREE 14.

UM, LANDSCAPE ISLAND SPECIFIC LANGUAGE FOR LANDSCAPE ISLANDS BEING ADDED ON, ON WESTCHESTER AND ADDED ONE FOR EVERY 10 SPACES.

SO AS IT GOES UP WESTCHESTER, THERE HAS TO BE, UH, NEW LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THAT DON'T EXIST TODAY.

UH, BREAKS UP THAT HEAD IN PARKING, UH, WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND THE UNDERLYING PD.

IT REQUIRES STREET TREES WITHIN THE SPECIAL AMENITIES ZONE AS WELL AS ARTICLE 10 AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING.

UH, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL LIMITS ON IT FROM THE BASE THAT SAY HOW HIGH IT CAN AND CAN'T BE, BUT IT MUST BE SHIELDED.

AND GENERALLY, UH, HAS TO BE LESS THAN 24 FEET IN THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING.

UH, BEYOND THAT, THEY REQUIRE 40,000 SQUARE FOOT OF GROUND FLOOR RETAIL IN TOTAL.

UM, ALL OF WESTCHESTER FRONTAGE NEEDS TO BE ACTIVATED BY, UH, SUCH STREET REACTIVATING USES.

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UM, THE 40 PER, THE 40,000 COULD BE SPREAD THROUGHOUT, BUT IT IS PRETTY HIGH TO MEET THAT FULL FRONTAGE.

SO A LOT OF IT WILL HAVE TO BE FOCUSED OVER THERE.

STREET SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THIS IS IN, THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE PRESTON CENTER AREA PLANS.

WE DID EVALUATE THAT AS PART OF THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION, UM, LOOKING AT INCLUDING STREET STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT WERE ACHIEVED HERE.

UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, STREETSCAPE ENHANCEMENTS, UH, STREET FURNITURE, UH, CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS ARE, UH, PROVIDED FOR WITHIN THIS SITE.

AND, UM, HEALTHY MIX OF USES, INCLUDING SUPPORTING MORE DENSITY, BUILDING HEIGHT AND FLOOR AREA RATIO.

UM, AS PART OF THE ZONING PROCESS PROVIDED, RRP S IS STILL MET, THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN CALLS FOR, MAKING SURE WE STILL HAVE, UH, A CERTAIN DEGREE OF GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.

UM, AND ACTIVATED STREETS, UH, STILL CALLS FOR THAT ON THE WESTCHESTER FRONTAGE.

AND, UM, THROUGHOUT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE OR INTEGRATED IN DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

AND AS WELL AS THE BASE PD HAS A POINT SYSTEM FOR OPEN SPACE FOR LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE, UM, STREET FRONTAGE.

SO AS FOR THE BONUS ITSELF, UM, THEY DID REQUEST FI, UH, 5% AT 81 TO 100 A MI.

UM, THAT WOULD IF INCLUDED, THAT WOULD GET THEM THE 85 FEET TO THE 2 25 FEET MAXIMUM MINUS RPS.

SO THE, THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM IS 25, 2 25, BUT IT'S LIMITED THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

UH, AND THEN THE 2.0 TO 4.5 FAR BONUS ALLOWS MORE BUILDABLE FLOOR AREA.

I DID INCLUDE THE TYPICAL BONUSES FOR MU THREE.

IT'S KIND OF A SIMILAR ANALOG BECAUSE, UM, IT HAS FLUOR AREA RATIO AS ITS PRIMARY BONUSING, UM, MECHANISM.

AND SO AS SUCH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS FIVE, FIVE AND FIVE AT 51, 61 AND 81.

UM, I WAS ASKED TO, TO QUICKLY, UM, HAVE COMPARISONS HANDY FOR M-I-H-D-B AND TYPE TWOS THAT ARE NEARBY THE AREA.

UH, WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT SITES THROUGHOUT THE TIME, AND THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS PRETTY CONSISTENT.

UM, COUNSEL, UH, APPROVED IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME, BUT THEY DO HAVE THOSE HANDY.

UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE DIFFERENT MVAS THROUGHOUT THE AREA, UH, BUT THE IMMEDIATE PRESS CENTER AREA IS MVAA.

I CAN DETAIL THOSE MORE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, BUT I WON'T DWELL TOO MUCH ON THAT.

MR. PEPPY, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? YES.

THIS IS PD 15.

LOTS, LOTS OF LOTS OF ACRONYMS THERE ON THERE.

JUST I WOULD WALK US THROUGH ONE.

PLEASE JUST WALK US THROUGH.

AND THEN THE BASELINE, WHAT P 15 HAD A BASE, 90% OR 90 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, AND THEY'D GET THAT ADDITIONAL 10% DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

IF THEY HAD 5% OF THEIR UNITS AT 51 TO 60, UH, THEN IT WOULD INCREASE BASICALLY, UM, TO 30 ADDITIONAL UNITS PER ACRE, UH, 35 PER ACRE AS THEY ADDED A 5% IN THERE.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

UM, ULTIMATELY WHAT THEY PUT IN, IN THE CITY COUNCIL ORDINANCE WAS 90 PER, UH, 90 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE PLUS 10.

IF THEY REACH THAT FIVE SIMILAR TO THE STAFF, BUT THEN THEY GET 30, IF THEY INCLUDE FIVE, FIVE ADDITIONAL, UM, THERE'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL, THERE'S NOT A FIVE, THERE'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL, UH, TIER BEYOND THAT IN, IN THAT ORDINANCE.

PD 15.

SO THE, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FIVE OR 10, YEAH, FIVE OR 10 INCREASING IN INTENSITY AS YOU GO UP, BUT THEY DIDN'T APPROVE THE HIGHEST TIER THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED.

SO THERE'S JUST NOT AS MUCH DENSITY IN THAT SITUATION.

AND THEN LOOKED AT IN 2020, THIS ONE IN MVAA, THIS IS THE SAME, UH, CENSUS BLOCK GROUP AS, UM, THE, AS THE SUBJECT SITE.

THIS ONE WAS, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THIS IS OFF OF DOUGLAS, WEST OF DOUGLAS.

AND, AND COLGATE NORTHWEST CORONER MIXED USE PROJECT.

I UNDERSTAND AS THEY WERE PROPOSING IT.

UM, THAT HIGH BONUS WAS ENACTED

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ON BY CITY COUNCIL.

THEY INSTEAD CHANGED IT TO A LOT COVERAGE BONUS.

UM, THEY ONLY HAD 5%, 51 TO 60, BUT WE DO GET THAT LOWEST INCOME GROUP.

UM, THE LOWEST INCOME GROUP IS CALLED OUT THERE, UM, IN THE 51 TO 60 OTHER RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA, THEY HAD AN INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA.

UM, THAT PD IS A LITTLE ODD 'CAUSE IT CALLS OUT SPECIFIC FLOOR AREAS FOR SPECIFIC USES, BUT I DID KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN INTO 0.1 FAR, WHICH 2% OF, IF THEY HAD 2% OF THE UNITS.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A SMALLER BONUS, BUT IT GIVES THEM A 0.1 FAR BONUS, UM, FOR BOTH OF THE PRIMARY MULTIFAMILY AND THE RE UH, RETIREMENT HOUSING USE.

AND VERY HELPFUL.

THAT ONE'S ABOUT 235 UNITS.

THIS IS THE CASE DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, UH, HEARD IN 2020 AS WELL.

UM, THEY HAD A SIGNIFICANT MORE HEIGHT BONUS, UH, BUILT IN, AND I MADE A TABLE.

SO THAT ONE IS ALSO KIND OF A TIERED SYSTEM RATHER THAN A FLAT BONUS.

BUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS LISTED IN THE TABLE.

UH, AND THAT WOULD TEAR UP.

THIS IS THE ONE AT, UH, THIS IS AT LUTHER IN, IN WESTCHESTER.

THIS ONE SOUTH, UH, WEST CORNER.

AND THEIR HEIGHT, YEAH.

WHAT EVENTUALLY WAS APPROVED WAS TWO 70 TO THREE 50.

IF THEY HAD 2.5 AND 2.5 AT 61 AND 80 AND UH, 81 TO 100 RESPECTIVELY AND LOT COVERAGE INCREASES, THAT KIND OF MIRRORS THAT AS WELL.

SO I THINK IT WOULD DOUBLE COUNT.

AND THEN THE UNIT COUNT WAS ALSO TIED TO IT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WAS A 2.5.

UH, BUT THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION.

STAFF, UH, TOOK IN RECOMMENDING IT HAD A HIGHER, UM, HIGHER RECOMMENDATION.

UH, BUT THEY DID END UP WITH 3,350 FOOT HEIGHT SHOULD THEY PROVIDE THE BONUS.

UH, I DID DO DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THOSE KIND OF A COMPARISON IN TEXT.

IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE APPLES TO ORANGES.

UM, SO I CAN DETAIL INDIVIDUAL ONES OF THOSE, UM, IF DESIRED.

I DO FIND THAT, UH, 1 41 HAS SIGNIFICANT DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, THAT ARE INCLUDED BOTH IN THE BASE PD AND IN THE SPECIFIC TEXT.

REGARDING THIS 1 41, ACTUALLY, ROUGHLY, MR. CHAIR, COULD YOU MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT LARGER, MR. PEPE? IT IS MINUSCULE ON OUR SCREEN, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT OF DATA, BUT I'M HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME SEEING IT.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON ACTUALLY JUST TOOK A PICTURE OF THE SCREENSHOT I WAS ZOOMING IN.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE MONITORS HERE, UH, AT OUR NEXT HEARING, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OR MR. PEPPER, IF YOU JUST WANNA CIRCULATE IT, THAT MAY BE MORE BE BENEFICIAL.

I'M WORKING.

I WANT IT.

I THINK THIS WAS IN THE, THE DISTRIBUTED, UH, POWERPOINT.

I HOPE THAT THE ONLINE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU MR. HERBERT.

I, IT, IT, IT, IT IS THERE AND, AND IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT DETAILS, I'D, I'D LOVE TO, BUT, UM, I'M HAVING TROUBLE MYSELF, UM, DISPLAYING HOW I'D LIKE, UM, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY APPLES TO ORANGES SOMETIMES WITH, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS.

UH, YOU MAY PUT DIFFERENT VALUE ON DIFFERENT ITEMS, BUT I, STEPH IS SATISFIED WITH THE, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WERE REACHED WITH OUR, UM, WITH OUR 1 41 CASE.

UH, BUT I WAS ASKED TO, TO HAVE THESE READY TO COMPARE.

I THINK IT MAY BE USEFUL.

UM, AND THEN, YEAH, THE, UH, WHAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING HERE WAS THE, UH, CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS POSTING, AND THAT WAS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.

WE DID HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT IT INTO THE DOCKET IN THE, UH, IN THE REPOSTING.

AND THAT ONE IS TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S DEFINITELY A MINIMUM 2000 CONTINUOUS OPEN SPACE ON LUTHER THE CONTI.

THE REMAINDER OF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PROVIDED ON BERKSHIRE IN THE EVENT OF REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT.

SO IT KIND OF LEAVES IT FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER OPEN SPACE ON LUTHER.

UM, BUT THEN STILL PROVIDES, UM, INCENTIVE TO PUT IT IN ON BERKSHIRE.

THEY ALSO HAVE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ACHIEVING, UM, POINTS THROUGH THE POINT SYSTEM.

AND YEAH, I CAN, I, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES THOSE MEGA TEXT SLIDES ARE FOR ME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND GO BACK AND REFER TO WHEN I NEED TO, UH, TO, TO ANSWER THINGS IN DETAIL FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, BUT IT IS IN THE, UH, DISTRIBUTED COPY, I BELIEVE.

QUESTIONS, I WILL MOVE ON.

SO IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT FOR NOW UNTIL

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UM, I'LL REMIND US OF WHERE THE APPLICANT REQUEST AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ARE.

THE FIVE AT 81 TO 100, AND THEN THE FIVE, FIVE AND FIVE OF STAFF, UM, IN KEEPING WITH THE BASE ORDINANCE FOR MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN AN MVAA.

UM, AND THEN THOSE ARE MY, MY NUMBERS FOR FLORA RATIO, UH, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE ABOUT 200,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RESIDENTIAL AT A VERY MINIMUM.

UM, AND THEN 2.0, WHAT THEY CAN BUILD OUT TODAY IS ALMOST 400,000 SQUARE FEET.

4.5 IS EIGHT 880,000 SQUARE FEET IN 4.5.

UM, THEY CAN, THERE'S NOT A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH, THERE'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL CAP THERE ON HOW MUCH OF THAT 4.5 CAN BE RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THE HEIGHT GREATER THAN 85 ALSO REQUIRES THE USE OF A BONUS.

BUT THE BONUS, UM, UNLIKE THE ONE IN THE SOUTH, DOES NOT, UH, ABSOLVE THEM OF RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.

AND THEN I, I DID DETAIL THIS BRIEFLY, BUT THE LANGUAGE, UH, MAY BE IMPORTANT TO SOME.

AND THAT'S ALSO POSTED IN THE DOCKET AND IN THE DISTRIBUTED POWERPOINT.

SO APPROVAL IS SUBJECT TO STAFF, EXCUSE ME, DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE, MR. PEPE.

MR. PEPPI.

UM, FROM THE STAFF REPORT, UM, IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT THE, UM, INTENT IS TO REQUIRE 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF, OF, UM, STREET ACTIVATING USES, WHICH YOU'RE, WHICH, UH, THE REPORT SAYS IS GOING TO BE RETAIL, BUT THE WAY STREET ACTIVATING USES IS DEFINED IN THIS PD THAT ALSO INCLUDES LODGING.

SO IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, BY THE WAY THIS PD IS WRITTEN, THAT NO RETAIL WHATSOEVER WOULD HAVE TO BE, BE ON THIS SIDE.

IT COULD BE AN OFFICE BUILDING, IT COULD BE A HOTEL AS LONG AS IT WAS 1.0 RESIDENTIAL, SOMEWHERE THERE, THERE COULD BE NO RES, THERE COULD BE NO RETAIL WHATSOEVER.

STREET ACTIVATING USE IS, YES, IS AS A DEFINITION DEFINED BY THE PD THAT WE LEANED ON IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.

IT DOES INCLUDE THE LODGING USE.

UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IT, IT, IN MY OPINION, IT DOES ACHIEVE THE STREET ACTIVATING GOAL OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

I MEAN, IT ISN'T SPECIFICALLY A RETAIL, UH, THERE COULD BE LANGUAGE THAT THAT CHANGES THAT, BUT IN THAT SITUATION, WE, WE USE THE STREET ACTIVATING USES DEFINITION, UH, THAT'S BUILT INTO THE PD, UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT, IT DOES HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF ACTIVITY AT A STREET THAN WOULD OFFICE USES, BUT, UH, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF WESTCHESTER BE THAT.

UH, AND THEN SOMEWHERE THEY HAVE TO FIND 4,000 SQUARE FOOT ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO PUT IN THOSE USES.

UM, BUT THOSE 40,000 SQUARE FEET COULD BE A LODGING USE ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITION IN THE PD.

I MEAN, IT WAS, UH, LET ME ASK IT ANOTHER WAY.

WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO REDEFINING STREET ACTIVATING USES FOR THIS TRACK? THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND ELIMINATE LODGING AS A STREET ACTIVATING USE IF THE INTENTION IS TO KEEP THE RETAIL, UM, CHARACTER OF THOSE BLOCKS AROUND THE PARKING GARAGE? COUPLE QUESTIONS THERE.

AND A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF IT HAS TO BE CONTIGUOUS, UH, WITH A MINIMUM DEPTH.

BUT NO CONSIDERATION SPECIFICALLY WASN'T GIVEN TO REDEFINING LODGING USE.

I SEE WHERE YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD SOLVE THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

WE, WE DO THINK THAT LODGING USE IS STILL BENEFICIAL AS A STREET ACTIVATING USE.

UH, BUT IF IT'D BE PRETTY, PRETTY EASY TEXT EDIT IF YOU WANTED IT ONLY TO BE RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE USE.

'CAUSE RESALE AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE CATEGORY IS PRETTY BROAD.

I GUESS THERE'S A, A FEW THINGS I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, GET A CLARIFICATION ON.

4,000 SQUARE FEET OF STREET ACTIVATION DOESN'T REPRESENT THE ENTIRE, UH, STREET LEVEL, UH, SPACE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THOUGH, DOES IT? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE OUTDOOR SEATING FOR RESTAURANTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, JUST TO BE SURE.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE 40,000 SQUARE FOOT OF, OF STREET ACTIVATING USES OR 4,000, UM, SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE AT GROUND LEVEL? 'CAUSE BUT THEY GOTTA FIND BOTH ROOM FOR BOTH OF THOSE, BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

WELL, WHERE IS THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET? AND THIS IS JUST GONNA ILLUSTRATE MY IGNORANCE OF URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT WHERE, WHERE IS THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET? THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET PER THE CONDITION NEEDS TO BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY,

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SO IT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPING AREAS, UH, PLAZA AREAS, UM, THAT ARE ADJACENT TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

THEY, THEY MAY HAVE OPEN SPACE THAT ARE PRI THAT'S PRIVATE THAT THEY, UM, THAT THEY INCLUDE.

UH, BUT THIS HAS TO BE ADJACENT TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY DIRECTLY ACCESSIBLE.

SO CERTAINLY ON THE, CERTAINLY AT THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO IF THEY HAD, UH, RESTAURANTS ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND THOSE RESTAURANTS HAD OUTDOOR SEATING, WOULD THEY BE INCLU? WOULD THAT, I WOULD NOT SAY TYPICALLY BECAUSE THAT'S IN A STRUCTURE AND IT'S NOT OPEN SPACE.

I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME NOT.

UM, THAT THAT DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS THEM.

IT HAS TO BE, UM, PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE.

AND THEY'RE ALSO, THESE HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM DEPTH OF 10 FEET.

IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO COUNT ANYTHING LIKE A PATIO THAT'S COVERED IN A, IN A PRIVATE SPACE, LIKE A LEASED RESTAURANT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, THIS ONE, THIS ALSO HAS A MINIMUM OF 15% OF IT NEEDS TO BE LANDSCAPED AT A, AT A MINIMUM, UM, WHICH WOULD BE UNLIKELY TO BE INCLUDED IN A PATIO OR LIKE FOR A PATIO RESTAURANT.

I MEAN, THINK OF IT TODAY, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT RESTAURANTS ARE IN THERE TODAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COUNT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COUNT THE ROTI.

IS IT ROTI? MM-HMM.

, UM, PATIO AS AN OPEN SPACE, UH, JUST DUE TO HOW THEY INTERPRET AND YEAH.

UM, NOT SUCH AS THAT.

THEY, THEY DO NEED TO SET IT ASIDE.

UM, WHEN THEY SUBMIT FOR PERMIT ON THEIR SITE PLANS AS, AS PARTICULAR OPEN SPACE, THEY REVIEW FOR THAT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS OPEN SPACE, NOT PRIVATE.

TRUE NOT, NOT PRIVATE SPACE IS, IS THE WRONG WORD, BUT THAT THE LEASE SPACE FOR A BUSINESS.

HMM.

MAYBE IT'LL BECOME CLEAR, CLEARER TO ME IN THE FUTURE, BUT, OKAY.

I, I GET IT.

UM, GOING BACK TO, UM, YOUR COMPARISON SLIDE, AND THIS IS THE 2020 CASE Z 1 92, 38, UH, THAT PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, ISN'T IT? AND THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY SPLIT UP BETWEEN TWO SEPARATE OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS? YEAH, THEY HAVE TWO, THEY HAVE TWO ZONING SUB AREAS WITH SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT REGULATIONS, BUT FAIRLY SIMILAR NONETHELESS.

UM, SO YES, IT IS SPLIT UP AND, UH, ON THE SITE THAT'S CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY THE HOP DOTTY, RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION, THERE'S GONNA BE A 285 FOOT TOWER, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT IS GONNA BE A 350 FOOT TOWER.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND THOSE ARE, UM, PART OF THE BONUS THAT THEY BUILT IN BACK THEN? MM-HMM.

AND OUR APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A 225 FOOT TOWER, 225 FOOT YES.

IS THEIR MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPOSAL, THE OTHER PROPOSAL OF THE SOUTH WENT ABOVE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, WHEREAS THIS, THIS ONE IS STILL BOUND BY RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.

UM, SO 2 25 IS THEIR MAXIMUM, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO SLOPE DOWNWARDS TOWARD NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

YEP.

SO THE HEIGHT WOULD BE LOCATED, THE TALLEST PART OF THIS IS GONNA, WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCATED THE CLOSEST POINT TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS REZONED PREVIOUSLY AT SOUTH OF LUTHER.

BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET.

AND, UM, OH YEAH, ONE FINAL SORT OF A TECHNICAL QUESTION IS, UH, 42 INCHES ON THE ABOVE GRADE PARKING GARAGE TO BLOCK, UH, THAT'S SOME SORT OF BLOCKAGE FOR A LIGHT THAT MIGHT BE COMING FROM PARKED CARS OR SOMETHING.

42 INCHES YES.

IS THE STANDARD THAT'S USED IN OUR FOUR POINT 1107 CITYWIDE, UM, PARKING GARAGE SCREENING ORDINANCE.

UM, SO THAT EITHER HAS TO BE BLOCKED WITH THAT KIND OF SCREEN IF THEY HAVE ANY PORTION OF GARAGE THAT FACES STREET FACE, UM, OR YEAH, OR IT HAS TO BE A BUILDING.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE 42 INCHES IS BECAUSE IT'S A COMMON CITY DESIGN STANDARD.

COULD IT BE OPEN ABOVE THAT? YES.

AND, AND, UH, IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME THAT THERE ARE SOME VEHICLES ON THE ROAD TODAY THAT HAVE LIGHTS THAT ARE AT 45 INCHES OR .

THAT'S SCARY.

BUT YES, YES.

AND, AND THAT THOSE LIGHTS COULD CONCEIVABLY BE SHINING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL

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THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S POSSIBLE.

SO THE, THE NUMBER IS NOT IMMUTABLE, UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CASE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO BUMP THAT UP TO 50 INCHES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WELL, I, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT IMMUTABLE.

IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE CHANGED, UH, THROUGH TEXT HERE.

BUT I, IT'S, IT'S VERY FEASIBLE, UM, TO CHANGE THAT TO A DIFFERENT HEIGHT .

BUT THAT'S, BUT, BUT 42 IS WHAT WE HAVE TO COMPARE TO, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THAT NUMBER IN THIS PD.

UM, I, I WILL NOT, IT, IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO CHANGE THAT THROUGH MOTION OR, OR, UM, THROUGH THE APPLICANT'S ASCENT TO A HIGHER NUMBER.

UH, THANK YOU MR. PEPE.

MR. PEPE, LET'S, LET'S STAY WITH HEIGHT.

UH, PARDON ME, COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? UH, SO WE HAVE THIS PROJECT AND WE HAVE TWO OTHERS THAT WERE ALREADY ENTITLED, AND I THINK ONE IS ALREADY PULLING A, A PERMIT, IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW THE PERMIT STATUS.

OF THESE OTHER ONES.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE VISIT THE SITE AND WHEN WE, WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ONE AND WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS CASE, WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO, UH, IMAGINE THE CONTEXT OF THE HEIGHTS IN THE AREA.

AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU'VE SEEN A STUDY OR AN ELEVATION THAT PUTS THE, THE ASK ON THIS ONE? UH, IN, IN COMPARISON OR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHERS THAT WE'VE ALREADY PASSED? I THINK THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE ONE OF THOSE.

IT MAY BE A QUESTION WITH THE APPLICANT.

I THINK THEY PROBABLY DO HAVE THAT HANDY.

UM, YEAH.

AND, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT IN, IN MY IMAGINATION, IT'S NOT TOO HARD TO PICTURE HOW THEIR HEIGHT HAS TO BE FOCUSED.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO LOCATE THAT HEIGHT ON THE SOUTH MOST PART OF THEIR PROPERTY.

SHOULD THEY, SHOULD THEY EVEN BUILD UP TO MAX HEIGHT? I OBVIOUSLY NO ONE WANTS TO BUILD A, WELL, I PRESUME NO ONE WANTS TO BUILD TO TRIGONAL PRISM.

UM, BUT SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO BUILD THAT, IT DOES HAVE TO BE ON THE SOMOS PART OF THE SITE, WHICH KIND OF MIRRORS A COUPLE OTHER OF THE, UH, OFFICES AND THE HIGH RISES BUILT OUT THROUGH PRESTON CENTER.

BUT YES, THE HEIGHT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCATED CLOSEST TO THEM.

I DO NOT HAVE A RENDER, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THE APPLICANT MAY.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

WELL, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING STUDY TO, UH, SEE HOW THIS, THIS POTENTIAL HEIGHT FITS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF NOT WHAT, WHAT IS THERE NOW, BUT WHAT WILL WILL BE EXACTLY.

EXCELLENT.

SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT ON MAY 2ND, POTENTIALLY FROM THE APPLICANT.

UM, MR. PEPE, I CAME IN LATE, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I'M GONNA TRACK BACKTRACK OVER SOMETHING, BUT, UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PARKING.

UM, AS I READ THE, THE REPORT, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES THAT, UM, CAN BE CREDITED AGAINST THE EXISTING GARAGE IN THE MIDDLE OF PRESTON CENTER.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A, UH, BUILT-IN A BAKED IN, UH, ATTRIBUTE OF TRACK THREE.

AND SO WAS THAT NOT PART OF THE TWO PREVIOUS ZONING CASES THAT, UH, CHERISH SHE DID, WAS REFERRING TO? IN OTHER WORDS, DID THEY HAVE THE OPTION, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THOSE ARE SELF PARKED FULLY SELF-PARK.

THE, THE ONE TO THE SOUTH I, I UNDERSTAND WAS IN TRACK THREE.

UM, THEY REMOVED THAT, UH, CONNECTION TO THE BASE ZONING FOR WHATEVER REASON.

I CAN'T SPECULATE AS TO WHY, BUT THIS, THIS SITE, UM, CONTINUES TO HAVE THAT ATTRIBUTE TO IT BECAUSE IT'S BUILT INTO THE BASE ZONING.

MM-HMM, .

I HAVE, I GOT NO INFORMATION ON THAT.

CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT BOTH OF THE CASES THAT CHAIR SHE DID WAS REFERRING TO ARE SELF PARKED? I THINK THAT ONE, SO THE ONE TO THE SOUTH WAS THE ONE TO THE SOUTH WAS ONE CASE, JUST FOR CLARITY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

UM, THEY WERE TWO SUB AREAS WITHIN ONE CASE.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THEY HAD THE, THE FULL REQUIREMENT FOR MULTIFAMILY USES.

UH, I CAN LOOK UP REALLY QUICKLY AT SOME POINT, UM, IF THEY REDUCED THE, UH, RETAILER LODGING USES.

SO THE, THE PARKING GARAGE, THE, I CALL THE EXISTING PARKING GARAGE IS ON LAND OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS, CORRECT? THAT, YES.

AND THEN THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THAT GARAGE THAT HAVE RIGHTS TO THAT GARAGE? CORRECT.

THE PD, THE PD RIGHTS AND REDUCTIONS IF THE GARAGE EXISTS WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACES.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY PRIVATE AGREEMENTS OR ANY, OR ANY OTHER PRIVATE RESEARCH .

SO TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THESE, THESE VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS, LARGE AND SMALL, DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF SPACES THAT THEY'RE, THEY HAVE RIGHTS TO.

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IF IT'S A PRIVATE AGREEMENT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD GET INFORMATION ON A LITTLE MORE GLOBAL LOOK AT THE PARKING IN PRESTON CENTER, THE AGREEMENT REGARDING THE, UH, THAT GOVERNS THE, THE, I GUESS YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ASKING ABOUT RESTRICTIONS THAT GOVERN THE PARKING GARAGE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING.

I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT.

I WILL CONFIRM IF WE CAN FIND THAT, BUT IT MAY BE BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE.

I'M NOT CLEAR IF THAT'S GONNA BE PUBLIC TO US OR HOW THAT FUNCTIONS.

WELL, I, I, IT'S A CITY OWNED PIECE OF LAND, AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT CAN BE RELEVANT TO THIS CASE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S OUTSIDE THE SPECIFIC LINES OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE CHARGED WITH, UM, THE, A LARGER, IN A LARGER CONTEXT ABOUT THE, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS DISTRICT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE PARKING SITUATION A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE IT'S CENTRAL TO FRANKLY, MUCH OF THE CONFLICT IN PRESTON CENTER.

AND SO I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT.

I'LL SEE WHAT, WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

I DON'T SEE ANY PROVISIONS FOR THAT WITHIN THE PROPOSAL BEFORE US.

WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED OR DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT TEAM? THEY HAVE TO SCREEN THEIR PARKING WITH BUILDING OR WITH, OR WITH SCREENING? I, I DID NOT STATE THAT IT HAS TO BE UNDERGROUND, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT THE CASE IN THE STANDARDS WRITTEN FOR, FOR THIS CASE.

AND SO, AND SO THE, I GUESS THE, THE GLOBAL QUESTION IS HOW IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER RECENT CASES WITHIN THIS AREA? THE CASE TO THE SOUTH, THE CASE TO THE SOUTH, UH, REQUIRED UNDERGROUND PARKING.

UM, THE, THE STANDARDS APPROVED WITH ONE, YOU KNOW, THIS CASE 1 4 1 ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS WE USE FOR MIXED INCOME HOUSING BROADLY.

UM, TWO OTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, READING THROUGH THE PRESTON CENTER NORTHWEST, UM, AREA PLAN, IT SEEMED LIKE ONE OF THE DRIVERS IN THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS WAS INCREASING OPEN SPACE, INCREASING WALKABILITY CONNECTIVITY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

UM, COULD YOU, I MEAN, I SAW THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM UN UN UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALK OF SEVEN 10 AVERAGE.

IT LOOKED LIKE 10 WAS BEING UTILIZED IN OTHER AREAS.

IT WOULD, WOULD, WAS THERE A CONSIDERATION OR I GUESS, LET ME SAY IT DIFFERENTLY.

HOW WAS SEVEN UM, DEVELOPED? ARE THERE UTILITY CONFLICTS? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S DRIVING THAT, THAT LOWER CLEAR AREA? SEVEN IS, SEVEN IS WHAT IS THE UNOBSTRUCTED WIDTH HERE? THEY USE THE 10 FOOT AVERAGE, UM, FOR THROUGHOUT THAT.

SO THEY, THEY MAY HAVE, UM, OBS, WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM? OBSTRUCTIONS OR, UH, ENCROACHMENTS, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE SEVEN FOOT, UH, I WILL SAY THAT THE PROPERTY OF THE SOUTH HAS 10 FOOT UNOBSTRUCTED.

THE BASE PD, THE BASE PDU IS A DIFFERENT WIDTH, BUT IT ALSO LEANS ON A, UM, AN AVERAGE, A UNOBSTRUCTED DISTANCE AND THEN A, UH, AN AVERAGE DISTANCE.

YEAH, I THINK YOUR SUMMARY HAD 10.

I WILL, I WILL THANK COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR POINTING ME TO THE ONLINE 'CAUSE I PULLED IT DOWN SEVEN AND, AND 10.

HAVE POTENTIAL OBSTRUCTIONS, UM, WITHIN YOUR 10 FOOT.

SO THAT, YES, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY, UH, ARE REQUIRED TO DO IN THE BASE.

AND THAT ONE REMAINS HERE.

UM, IT SHOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PUT IN STREET FURNITURE ALONG, UH, THE SPECIAL AMENITY ZONE, WHICH THE SPECIAL AMENITY ZONE IS LOCATED BACK OF CURB.

UH, THEY DID NOT MODIFY THE SPECIAL AMENITY ZONE PROVISION OF THE BASE, BUT IT'S THREE TO SIX FEET FROM BACK OF CURB.

SO YOUR UNDERSTANDING, MAYBE THEY NEED TO PUT EXAMPLES, UM, FURNITURE OR TREES WITHIN THE SPECIAL AMENITY ZONE BEING THREE TO SIX FOOT FROM BACK CURB.

SO THAT AMONG, IF YOU HAVE MAYBE A CURB, SMALL AMOUNT OF ONE PART OF THE LANDSCAPING STRIP, UH, SPECIAL MINI ZONE BEING A LOCATED THREE TO SIX FEET BACK CURB, I PRESUME THAT'S WHERE YOU'D

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BUT THEN BEHIND THAT YOU HAVE SEVEN FOOT OF UNOBSTRUCTED, FOR EXAMPLE.

I, I THINK I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IN THE, IN THE LARGER CONTEXT, AGAIN, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE OVERALL DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO WORK TOGETHER.

I JUST, IT SEEMED LIKE SEVEN WAS MAYBE TRENDING LOWER THAN WHERE WE WERE STARTING TO SEE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS GO.

YEAH, IT IS PARTICULARLY WITH INCREASED DENSITY.

I, I I, AND I WILL JUST SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN THE 10 FOOT UNOBSTRUCTED IN THE TRACT EIGHT.

I AM NOT POSITIVE HOW THOSE 10 FOOT UNOBSTRUCTED INTERACT, UH, WITH THE SPECIAL AMENITY ZONE.

BUT I THINK THE SPECIAL AMENITY ZONE BEING THREE TO SIX FEET FROM BACK OF CURB, UH, MAY BE WHERE THEY PLACED THEIR OBSTRUCTIONS BEING THE GOOD KIND OF OBSTRUCTIONS LIKE TREES AND STREET FURNITURE.

UM, AND THEN BEHIND THAT, UH, THEIR, THEIR REMAINING SEVEN FEET.

SO WERE THERE ANY CONSIDERATIONS ON SPEAKING TO THE LARGER CONNECTIVITY? ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS PROJECT IS ADDING TO PARCELS BEYOND THEM IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, CREATING PLAZA AREAS AT INTERSECTIONS, UM, REQUIRING, UM, PUBLICLY ACCESS, PUBLIC ACCESS POINTS WITHIN THE BUILDING? I THINK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE ACTIVATION WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE GROUND LEVEL, BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE STRONG LANGUAGE ABOUT REQUIRING THAT, UM, ACTIVATION AND, AND ACCESS POINTS.

WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE ACTIVATION, UH, FROM STREET ACTIVATING USES.

IT LEANS ON THE LANGUAGE AS WE DISCUSSED, AS THE BASE PD.

IT HAS THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT AS DESCRIBED HERE.

WE HAVE THE BASE PD HAS LANDSCAPE PLANS.

THE LANDSCAPE PLANS IN THE AREA HAVE TO HAVE BASELINE OF POINTS THAT ALSO INCENTIVIZE, UM, MAYBE MORE PARTICULAR TYPES OF, UH, OPEN SPACE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THAT ARE CALLED FOR BY THE PLANS.

SMALL OPEN SPACES, UH, BE THAT 15 POINTS IN TOTAL THAT THEY GET FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF LANDSCAPE AREAS THAT THEY SCATTER THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

AND THAT AMOUNT THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE IS A FUNCTION OF THE FRONTAGE.

AND THIS HAVING A LARGE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE IS GOING TO HAVE TO INCLUDE THOSE.

UH, WE DID NOT GET INTO SITES OUTSIDE OF THE SITE, UH, LIMITED GREATLY BY THE, WHAT WE CAN DO OUTSIDE OF OUR SITE BECAUSE IT'S A ZONING CASE, UH, GOVERNING THE ZONING ON ONE PROPERTY.

UH, BUT WE MAKE SURE THAT BE WITH DRIVEWAY MINIMUMS, OR EXCUSE ME, DRIVEWAY MAXIMUMS, UH, SIDEWALKS, UH, CROSSINGS THAT THE FLOW AROUND THE SITE IS STILL HOW WE WANT IT TO BE.

I, I THINK I FOLLOW THAT AND I DID SEE THE DRIVEWAY STANDARDS.

I THINK THAT WAS NICE TO HELP ADDRESS HOW PEDESTRIANS WILL CIRCULATE, UM, AROUND THE SITE.

YOU MENTIONED THE PERCENTAGE OF THE OPENS OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OPEN SPACE.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS OF THE LOT AREA WHEN THIS IS THAT THE CONTIGUOUS THE AMOUNT THAT IS, IS REQUIRED TO BE CONTIGUOUS IS 2% OF, OF THE ENTIRE LOT PER THE CONTIGUOUS, UM, REQUIREMENT.

THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE NECESSARILY THE POINTS THAT THEY HAVE TO ACHIEVE FOR SITES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT, UM, TO ACHIEVE THEIR 15 POINTS FOR THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THIS IS A FAIRLY DYNAMIC PD AND THE BASE.

AND, AND SO WE ALSO HAVE THAT, THAT THAT OVERALL DOESN'T HAVE A, A MINIMUM BESIDES THE CONTIGUOUS SPACES AND THEN THE POINTS THAT MAYBE WE ACHIEVED IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

BODY HAS SEEN LOT COVERAGE, UM, MIN UH, LOT COVERAGE MAXIMUMS AT VARYING HEIGHTS.

AND THEN I THINK FINAL QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS, I KNOW THERE'S VARIED LOT COVERAGES WITHIN THIS, UM, THIS PD, I UNDERSTAND THAT TRACK THREE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT BASE, BUT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT DENSITY, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OR HAS THERE BEEN ANOTHER, UM, RECENT CASES IN THIS AREA WHERE THE LOT COVERAGE WAS REDUCED? YES, I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT.

SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'D ADD TO THAT AND BE STRAIGHTFORWARD, THAT THE CASE AT THE SOUTH, UH, I BELIEVE DID LIMIT THE LOT COVERAGE AT A, AT A HIGHER HEIGHT, UH, 60% ABOVE.

I DON'T HAVE THE HEIGHT HANDY, 65% ABOVE A CERTAIN HEIGHT.

UM, AS IT GOES UP, UH, I WILL SAY OBVIOUSLY THE BASE IS 100 AND LOT COVERAGE WASN'T LOOKED AT FOR THIS ONE.

UH, BECAUSE FOR A COUPLE THINGS, I KNOW THAT THIS

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UM, AND THAT THE HOSE HAVE BEEN USED AS ONE TOOL TO SAY THAT, UH, MASSING CAN'T BE TOO TALL.

WHILE ONE THING THAT WE'VE HEARD IN FEEDBACK FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COLLEAGUES IS THAT LOT COVERAGE IS VERY SPECIFICALLY MEANT TO GOVERN, UM, BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE GROUND, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, AND THAT IT DOES GET VERY DICEY AND, UM, DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO MEASURE LOT IS AT HIGHER HEIGHTS.

SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT IF WE WANT TO LIMIT THINGS LIKE MASSING AT HIGHER HEIGHTS, WE DO IT THROUGH OTHER MEANS LIKE SETBACKS.

SO THIS FEEDBACK HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US, UH, AND I DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE UPON OUR DEVELOPMENT SAINTS COLLEAGUES, UM, THINGS THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT WHERE, WHEREAS SETBACKS, I THINK THINGS LIKE SETBACKS, UM, FAR UH, ALSO SERVE VERY SIMILARLY TO LIMIT LOCK COVERAGE.

AND SO IN THE CASE OF THIS ONE, YOUR LOT COVERAGE IS, IS HIGHLY LIMITED BY RPS, YOU, YOU MUST DECREASE.

AND SO AGAIN, LOT COVERAGE MEANING FOOTPRINT AT THE GROUND, BUT I'M USING IT IN A SENSE THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND HERE.

THE AMOUNT OF MASSING AT HEIGHT DECREASES IS FORCED TO DECREASE BY THE, WHETHER YOU CALL IT A SETBACK OR A HEIGHT MAXIMUM BY THE FAR OR RPS ON THIS SITE AS WELL AS FAR.

BUT THE, UM, THE RPS ACTING ON THIS MEANS THAT YOUR LOT COVERAGE DECREASES LINEARLY AS YOU GO UP IN HEIGHT.

SO THAT, IN THAT CASE WASN'T A CONCERN HERE.

AND I WENT ON THE WHOLE THING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND LOT COVERAGE.

'CAUSE I DO HOPE TO, UM, NOT USE THAT SPECIFIC TOOL.

I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T LIMIT HEIGHT AT AT GRADE, BUT I DO THINK THAT FOR THEIR SAKE WE SHOULD, UM, SEE IF WE CAN USE OTHER TOOLS THAN LOT COVERAGE SPECIFICALLY.

BUT WE WE'RE, WE'RE LEARNING HOW TO, TO MAKE THEIR PROCESS GOOD AS WELL AS MAKE OUR PROCESS GOOD.

BUT, UM, I THINK IN THIS SPECIFIC SCENARIO, THE HEIGHT OR THE RPS LIMITATIONS, UM, ARE GOING TO ACT WELL TO LIMIT MASSING AT HEIGHT.

I I THINK MY QUESTION WAS MORE AT GRADE, BUT I KNOW THIS WILL BE COMING BACK TO US.

I'LL, I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HALL.

JUST A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AREA PLAN.

MR. PEPE.

WE GOT, UM, SOME CORRESPONDENCE OVER THE WEEKEND TALKING ABOUT THE AREA PLAN.

SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WAS SUGGESTED IS THAT, UM, THE AREA PLAN ITSELF, UM, SUGGESTS THAT THE EXISTING HEIGHT MAX IS, IS WHAT, 85 FEET AND NOTHING SHOULD GO OVER THAT 85 FEET.

IS THAT IN FACT IN THE AREA PLAN AND 85 FOOT HEIGHT MAXIMUM SUGGESTION.

OBVIOUSLY WE TOOK THAT VERY SERIOUSLY IN LOOKING AT THIS EARLY ON.

UM, 'CAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT CASE.

UM, BUT THE AREA PLAN, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FROM ZONE ONE.

YOU MAY FIND, UH, OTHER LANGUAGE IN OTHER PORTIONS OF THE AREA PLAN BECAUSE IT HAS SEVERAL, UH, ZONES THEY CALL THEM.

BUT THIS IS ZONE ONE.

PRESTON CENTER, UH, DOES CALL FOR MORE DENSITY BUILDING HEIGHT AND FLOOR AREA RATIOS AND OTHER LAND USE CONCESSIONS THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS TO ENCOURAGE ZONE ONE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.

UM, BUT THEY DO WITH THE CAVEAT IT WITH PROXIMITY SLOPE, BUT THEN IN THIS CASE IT'S STILL OBSERVED RPS.

SO IT'S, IT'S A PROXIMITY SLOPE IS THE WAY THAT THE AREA PLAN SUGGESTS.

THEY, THEY SAY LEASE PRIMARILY REGULATING HEIGHT.

THE PLAN SAYS PLEASE LEAVE RPS IN PLACE.

UM, IT SAYS THE CITY OF DALLAS SHOULD SUPPORT MORE DENSITY BUILDING HEIGHT AND FLOOR RATIOS.

IN PRESENT AND CENTER.

SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER HALL, FOLLOW COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

UH, I WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE PARKING.

UH, BOTH OF THE DEVELOPMENTS SOUTH OF THIS ARE, UH, THEY'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARKED.

UH, ALL, ALL UNDERGROUND.

ONE HAS 480 BELOW GRADE PARKING SPOTS AND ONE HAS 390.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT HAS TWO PARKING SITUATIONS.

ONE IS BELOW GRADE, I THINK TWO LEVELS BELOW GRADE FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING.

AND THE OTHER IS TWO LEVELS ABOVE GRADE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TOWER.

AND, UH, I, I DON'T HAVE A TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, UH, FOR THAT, BUT, UH, THEY COULD, UH, EXCEPT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT THE OFFICE BUILDING WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARKED.

THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT PARKED, BUT THE RETAIL WOULD BE UTILIZING THE PARKING GARAGE.

THE, IS THAT CORRECT MR. PEPPY? THAT IS, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING

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FROM WHAT THEY'VE STATED.

THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.

I WANNA GO BACK TO, I'M SORRY, TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UM, AREA PLAN BECAUSE AS A SENTENCE YOU READ, IT SAYS THE PLAN RECOMMENDS THE CITY OF DALLAS SUPPORT MORE DENSITY HEIGHT, FLORIDA AREA RATIOS AND OTHER LAND USE CONCESSIONS THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS TO ENCOURAGE ZONE ONE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS WHERE COMMERCIAL OFFICE COULD BE BUILT BY.

RIGHT NOW IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY'RE GOING UP, THEY HAD ALMOST 400,000, UM, SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS BEFORE.

THEY'RE GOING UP TO 884 OR ALMOST 900.

UH, AND THE RESIDENTIAL AT 1.0 FAR IS 196,500 SQUARE FEET.

SO LET'S SAY 200,000.

SO THEY'VE GOT 900,000 OVERALL SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND ONLY 200,000 HAVE TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

SO THERE, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS REALLY PROPOSED TO BE THREE QUARTERS COMMERCIAL.

SO WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO A HIGHER RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT FOR THIS? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, THE PLAN SAYS EXPLICITLY THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO MAKE ALL OF THESE CONCESSIONS TO GET RESIDENTIAL WHERE OFFICE COULD BE.

SO AS A PROJECT THAT IS 75% OFFICE MEETING THE STANDARD, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ONE, THE MINIMUM 1% FAR IS, IS MERELY A MINIMUM.

IT DOESN'T BOX ANYONE INTO, UM, WHAT THEIR TOTAL RATIOS ARE GONNA BE.

UH, BUT THAT IS, THAT IS THE MINIMUM TO REACH UP TO THE 4.5 MAXIMUM.

SO 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, DOES NEED TO BE INCLUDED TO DO THAT AT A VERY MINIMUM.

BY NO MEANS DOES IT, UH, DICTATE WHAT THEIR TOTAL, UH, FA HAS TO BE.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE FAR OF THE, THE FAR WHERE WE HAVE 4.5 TO ONE, UM, IS IN KEEPING WITH MIXED USE DISTRICTS, UM, IN OTHER PLACES ACROSS THE CITY WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO COMPARE TO, UM, WHERE THIS IS A FAIRLY COMMON THING WHERE THEY WILL HAVE MAYBE A 4.5 RATIO WHERE YOU CAN GET UP TO THAT IF YOU HAVE A MINIMUM OF ONE.

UM, ONE IS, THAT'S, FOR EXAMPLE, OAK LAWN HAS A NUMBER OF, UH, COMMERCIAL MIXED USE DISTRICTS THAT, UM, THAT IS THE CASE AND THEY, THEY INCENTIVIZE, UH, IT IN ITS CALIBRATE TO THAT 4.5 TO ONE.

UM, AS WELL AS THE MIXED USE, UH, PROJECTS IN A MIXED USE BASE.

THOSE MIXED USE DISTRICTS, SO THIS IS MU TWO BASE, THOSE ONES REQUIRE 10% RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA, UH, TO GET, UM, THEIR, TO ACHIEVE THEIR FULL FAR, UM, IN MU TWO AND MU THREE.

SO I THINK IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THOSE, BECAUSE WE DO TRY TO KEEP TWO STANDARD BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO COMPARE TO BESIDES THE ZONING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO WHAT I'LL SAY IS ONE IS CONSISTENT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH, UM, THE INCENTIVES AND MINIMUMS THEY PUT IN FOR RESIDENTIAL AND OAK LINE AS WELL AS THEUSE TWO AND THREE, WHICH ARE OUR MOST BUILT OUT, UM, MIXED USE DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE TO COMPARE TO.

I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT MIXED USE PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THIS PARTICULAR AREA PLAN IS, IS KIND OF PUTTING ITS THUMB ON THE SCALE PRETTY HEAVILY WANTING TO ENCOURAGE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, MORE RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO OFFICE.

YES, AND I'M, I I I, I DO CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT I'M, WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP TO, TO SOMETHING TO COMPARE TO, UM, ANYTIME WE WERE AT PLAN DEVELOPMENT, JUST REWRITING ZONING.

UM, I DO FEEL STRONGLY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH SOMETHING TO COMPARE TO A STANDARD.

UM, AND I DO FIND THAT, UM, WE, WE TRY AND ENCOURAGE RESIDENTIAL AND OTHER MIXED USE DISTRICTS AS WE DO HERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE TELL ME IF I SAY THAT'S FINE.

REGARDING THE 85 FOOT HEIGHT THING.

UM, THE WAY I READ THIS AREA PLAN THAT IS NOT MENTIONED IN ZONE ONE, WHICH IS THE PRESTON CENTER, UH, THE GARAGE, IT DOES SAY IN ZONE ONE, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DENSITY AND HEIGHT, BUT UH, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, THE 85 FOOT THING IS APPLIED TO ZONE FOUR, WHICH IS, UH, THE AREA THAT I LIVE IN AND IS BASICALLY A CONDOMINIUM AREA.

AND SO THEY WANT, THEY DON'T WANT, UH, CONDOMINIUM AND DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT AREA TO EXCEED 85 FEET IN HEIGHT.

IT'S EITHER FOUR OR SIX STORIES AND IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE 85 FEET THAT, THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

GREAT, GREAT, GREAT POINT.

YEAH, THE ZONES, UM, THROUGHOUT ARE, ARE DIFFERENT.

UM, BUT YEAH, ZONE FOUR I THINK ALSO HAS, I THINK THEY CALL FOR,

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BUT YEAH, 85 IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE AREA PLAN IN REGARDS TO, UH, ZONE ONE.

ANY LAST QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PEPE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S, UH, TABLE PERHAPS THE, THE MOST INTERESTING CASE ON THE DOCKET, WHICH IS NUMBER 15.

WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT ONE AND GO TO CASE NUMBER 16, MR. BROWN.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

GEORGE, ARE YOU GONNA GIMME A PRESENTATION OR DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT OFF THE OTHER LAPTOP TO SHARING THAT RIGHT THERE? SHARE.

OH, VERY GOOD.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT, UH, CASE Z 212 3 49, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED, UH, SOUTH WINNETKA HEIGHTS CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

THIS WAS INITIATED BY A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE.

UH, THE REQUEST IS A CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING, SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM R SEVEN 50, A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH WINNETKA HEIGHTS CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT SORT OF THE, UH, DIFFERENCE IN LANGUAGE, UH, FROM IT BEING INITIATED BY A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE AND WHY WE'RE CALLING THIS A CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT IS, UH, OUTLINED IN SECTION 51, A 4.505 D THREE F UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.

ONCE WE VERIFY PETITIONS, THIS PROCESS IS TREATED AS A, UH, CPC AUTHORIZED HEARING.

THE PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE A MEANS OF CONSERVING THE AREA'S DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER BY PROTECTING OR ENHANCING ITS PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES.

THIS AREA IS LOCATED IN, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE, SOUTHWEST DALLAS.

THE PROPOSED CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS, UH, GENERALLY BOUNDED BY 12TH STREET TO THE NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE TO THE WEST BROOKLYN AVENUE ON THE SOUTH, AND AN ALLEY, UH, LOCATED EAST OF WILLAMETTE AVENUE AND A PORTION OF, UH, POLK STREET TO THE EAST.

UH, AND THE AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 16.3 ACRES.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS R SEVEN 50 A.

THE CURRENT LAND USE IS SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

UH, I'LL POINT OUT THAT THE, UH, TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND TO THE WEST ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, GRINDER EXPLORATORY ACADEMY, UH, TO THE EAST.

WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE, UH, USES.

AND THEN I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT ON THIS MAP, UH, IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER THERE, ARTS MISSION, OAK CLIFF.

THIS IS THE, UH, FACILITY THAT ALL OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS TOOK PLACE IN JUST FOR, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE ARE, UH, NUMEROUS, UH, NEARBY CONSERVATION AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

UM, MOST NOTABLY JUST TO THE NORTH IS THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT, UH, THAT IS A LOCALLY DESIGNATED, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I'LL POINT OUT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THE MAP OF THE ORIGINAL WINNET CA HEIGHTS ADDITION.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE AREA THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THAT, UH, ORIGINAL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAT.

UM, ALSO POINTING OUT THE, UH, CONTINUOUS NATURE

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OF THE, THE CDS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO THE NORTH IN PROXIMITY TO OUR, UH, PROPOSED AREA TODAY, SURROUNDING AREA GRINDER EXPLORATORY ACADEMY, UH, IS JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF EDGEFIELD FROM THE PROPOSED AREA.

UH, WE DO SEE, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, CENTERED AND, UM, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UH, JUST ADJACENT TO THE EAST OF THE PROPOSED AREA.

THESE ARE SOME, UH, SORT OF SCENE SETTING SHOTS FROM WITHIN THE PROPOSED BOUNDARIES.

I'LL POINT OUT, UH, WE'LL FEATURE THOSE, UM, STAMPED CONCRETE, UM, SIDEWALKS SHOWING THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, ALL WITHIN THE 19 TEENS.

HERE WE ARE, UH, SOUTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE, SOUTH CLINTON AVENUE, SOUTH WINNETKA, SOUTH WILLETTE.

THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY SOUTH WINNETKA HEIGHTS, UH, SHOULD BECOME A CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

IT FULFILLS THE PURPOSE OF A CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

UH, IT'S THE RESULT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD INITIATED PROCESS MEETS THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA OUTLINED FOR A CONSERVATION DISTRICT, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN.

AND THE, UH, CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONTAINS LARGELY INTACT EXAMPLES OF EARLY 20TH CENTURY ARCHITECTURE.

AND THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, WOULD PROVIDE AN APPROPRIATE REG REGULATORY STRUCTURE FOR THE AREA.

HERE ARE THE, THE, HERE'S THE PURPOSE OF A CONSERVATION DISTRICT OUTLINED IN 51 A.

IT'S TO PROTECT THE PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF AN AREA OR NEIGHBORHOOD, PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING AREA OR NEIGHBORHOOD, PROMOTE ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION, ENHANCE LIVABILITY OF THE CITY, AND ENSURE HARMONIOUS, ORDERLY, AND EFFICIENT GROWTH.

UH, THIS PROCESS WAS, UH, FIRST INITIATED WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE, UH, ENGAGED THE CITY IN AUGUST OF 2019.

UH, BEFORE FORMALLY, UH, REQUESTING PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS.

IN AUGUST OF 2020, THERE WERE TWO PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS HELD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UH, OUTLINE THE PROCESS AND DISCUSS POTENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED ON THE PETITION THAT WOULD BE CIRCULATED, UH, AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO INITIATE.

OF COURSE, PETITIONS WERE DISTRIBUTED IN JULY OF 21.

UH, ROUGHLY A YEAR LATER, 71 PETITIONS WERE SUBMITTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE FOR A CITY TO VERIFY.

UM, ULTIMATELY, 76% OF THE, UH, RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PROPOSED BOUNDARIES DID SIGN THE PETITION TO INITIATE THE PROCESS.

SO, BETWEEN, UH, SEPTEMBER OF 22 AND MARCH OF 23, UH, THE CITY HOSTED 10 NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS TO DISCUSS ALL OF THE TOPICS THAT WERE OUTLINED ON THE PETITION THAT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, DECEMBER 20, UH, 2023, UH, WE POSTED THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT, UH, AS PART OF YOUR PACKET, AND THEN HELD, UH, TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS TO REVIEW THE DRAFT WITH, UH, THE, THE RESIDENCE, UH, IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

SO IN ORDER TO INITIATE THIS, THEY HAD TO SUBMIT A DETERMINATE OR MEET THE CRITERIA OF A DETERMINATION OF ELIGIBILITY.

AND THAT IS THAT THE AREA CONTAINS AT LEAST ONE BLOCK FACE.

THE AREA IS EITHER STABLE OR STABILIZING AS DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE.

THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT, UH, THE AREA'S NOT EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, NOR ARE WE EXPECTING IT TO IN THE, UH, OR THAT WE ARE NOT EXPECTING IT TO IN THE, UH, COMING 20 YEARS.

UH, THE AREA IS COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS WITH BOUNDARY LINES DRAWN TO THE LOGICAL EDGES OF AN AREA OR SUBDIVISION.

UH, THAT COULD BE A CREEK STREET SUBDIVISION LINE, EASEMENT ZONING BOUNDARY LINE, OR OTHER BOUNDARY.

AT LEAST 75% OF THE LOTS HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED WITH MAIN BUILDINGS THAT ARE AT LEAST 25 YEARS OLD.

AND THE AREA HAS PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES THAT ARE REC THAT INCLUDE RECOGNIZABLE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.

SO, UH, WE FEEL THAT THE, UH, PROPOSED DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, OBJECTIVES OUTLINED IN THE 2006 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE, UM, STRENGTHENS EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROMOTES, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD'S UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS.

UH, WE PROMOTE STRONG AND DISTINCTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, TO ENHANCE DALLAS QUALITY OF LIFE, AND THEN MAINTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE AND CHARACTER, PROMOTE THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY'S SIGNIFICANT DISTRICTS LINKAGES AND AREAS.

IN ADDITION, UH, IT ALSO MEETS THE, UH, GOALS OUTLINED IN THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN, UH, 2 20 22, WHICH PROVIDES THE LONG RANGE VISION FOR LAND USE, UH, WITHIN THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA.

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UM, AND IN THAT PLAN, UNDER THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT, IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, GOALS, IT, WE HAVE TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, TO PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN CHARACTER THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD SENSITIVE DESIGN.

THE AREA FEATURES, UH, PREDOMINANTLY TWO, UH, ARCHITECTURAL STYLES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS CRAFTSMEN IN TRANSITIONAL BUNGALOW OF THE 95, UH, HOUSES LOCATED WITHIN THE PROPOSED BOUNDARIES, 59 OF THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED AS CRAFTSMEN 25, AS TRADITIONAL BUNGALOW EIGHT WERE UNDEFINED.

UM, ONE IMPORTANT NOTE IS OF THE 95, UH, STRUCTURES IN THE DI PROPOSED DISTRICT, UH, 95% OF THOSE ARE SINGLE STORY DWELLINGS, UH, ACCORDING TO DCA AND THE DETERMINATION OF ELIGIBILITY SUBMITTED, THE AVERAGE AGE OF HOMES IN THIS AREA WAS 95 YEARS IN 2019.

YOU SEE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE, UH, ARE GOING TO BE PRIOR TO 1940.

UH, STATE LAW AUTHORIZED THE CITY OF DALLAS TO REGULATE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION ALTERATION, RECONSTRUCTION OR RAISING OF BUILDINGS AND OTHER STRUCTURES IN DESIGNATED PLACES IN AREAS OF HISTORIC, CULTURAL OR ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE AND SIGNIFICANCE.

CONSERVATION DISTRICTS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE A MEANS OF CONSERVING IN AREAS DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER BY PROTECTING OR ENHANCING ITS PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES.

CONSERVATION DISTRICTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN A HISTORIC, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH PRESERVES HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, UH, STRUCTURES WHILE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY DISTRICTS, WHICH PRESERVE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BY I IMPOSE IMPOSING, UH, SPECIFIC YARD LOT AND SPACE REGULATIONS THAT REFLECT THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, UH, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, WHICH PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY IN PLANNING, UH, AND CONSTRUCTION WHILE PROTECTING CONTIGUOUS LAND USES AND SIGNIFICANT FEATURES.

ONE IMPORTANT, UH, NOTE IS THAT, UH, THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT DOES BECOME THE BASE ZONING FOR THE AREA.

IT'S NOT AN OVERLAY.

SO THESE ARE THE THEMES THAT WE, UH, HEARD IN THE PROCESS OF MEETING WITH NEIGHBORS THAT THEY WANTED TO PRESERVE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS, MAINLY OF THEIR CRAFTSMEN STYLE HOMES, UH, WANTED TO AVOID INCOMPATIBLE FORM AND MASSING OF NEW DEVELOPMENT, RETAIN THE FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS DEVELOPMENT, UH, HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, WANTED TO ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY AND INDIVIDUALITY AND REMODELING, UH, ALLOW FOR TWO STORY HO HOMES AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD NOT RETROACTIVELY APPLY TO, UH, HOUSES THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE AREA.

SO, UH, THIS SLIDE OUTLINES THE, UH, MEETINGS AND THE PETITION ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

UH, THERE'S MORE DETAIL IN THE CASE REPORT, UH, REGARDING THE SPECIFIC, UH, DISCUSSION ITEMS REGARDING THESE, UH, TOPICS.

UH, THIS OUTLINES THE, THE 10 MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD, UH, FROM THE END OF 2022 THROUGH, UH, SPRING OF 23.

AND THEN WE PRESENTED THE TWO.

UH, WE HAD TWO MEETINGS TO PRESENT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS.

AS PART OF THOSE, UH, MEETING, WE HAD SEVERAL, UM, METHODS OF GATHERING FEEDBACK.

THE FIRST OF THOSE, OF COURSE, WAS THE MEETING DISCUSSIONS, UM, WHERE WE TOOK NOTES THROUGHOUT THE, THE COURSE OF THE MEETING.

WE ALSO PROVIDED COMMENT SHEETS LIKE THE ONE YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE SLIDE FOR, UH, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK OR ASK QUESTIONS.

UH, FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE THE UPCOMING MEETING, UH, WE ASKED THE RESIDENTS TO, UH, LOOK AT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THEM AND SORT OF COME BACK TO US WITH WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTER, UH, AND THE THINGS THAT THEY FELT WERE IMPORTANT TO THEM.

IN PRESERVING, OF COURSE, WE PROVIDED, UH, STAFF CONTACT, UH, FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.

AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF SPANISH SPEAKING RESIDENCES WITHIN THE AREA, UH, WE DID HAVE ONSITE REALTIME, UH, SPANISH INTERPRETERS, UH, FOR EVERY MEETING THAT WAS HELD.

SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT THE, THE STATUS QUO WAS INSUFFICIENT, THAT THE CURRENT CODE REALLY WOULD NOT KEEP INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT FROM COMING INTO THE AREA THAT THEY WANTED TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER, UH, THAT THAT EXISTS, UH, LARGELY INTACT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE ITS INCEPTION.

UH, THEY DID FEEL THAT THERE HAD TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS, UH, IMPLEMENTED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND MEET THEIR OVERALL DESIRE TO PROTECT IT.

AND THAT, UH, A CD WITH DEVELOPMENT ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, UH, WAS THE, UH, ROUTE THAT THEY WANTED TO GO.

THE ORDINANCE IS MADE UP OF TWO PARTS, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, WHICH, UH, INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS,

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AND THEN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHERE IT OUTLINES, UH, PERHAPS SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, CLARIFY CLARIFYING INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROCESS AND AS WELL AS, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, UH, OF, OF SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTAL REQUIREMENTS.

UH, THERE WAS A FOCUS ON MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, UH, AS IT PERTAINED TO SETBACKS LOT COVERAGE, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, AND THEN WE GO ON TO, UH, ILLUSTRATE SEVERAL OF THOSE CONCEPTS.

UH, THIS PERTAIN, THIS SLIDE SPECIFICALLY PERTAINS TO HOW THE FRONT YARD SETBACK MIGHT BE CALCULATED, WHICH DIFFERS CONSIDERABLY FROM, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE BASE ZONING, BUT ALSO HOW, UH, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER, WHICH HAD, UH, PORCHES THAT ALMOST LINE UP IN A, IN A SINGLE STRAIGHT LINE, UH, WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY TAKING AN AVERAGE OF THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, UM, SPECIFIC TO THE PORCH, WHICH ALSO DIFFERS FROM HOW CITY STAFF CURRENTLY CALCULATES, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACKS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE, I'LL POINT TO YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMON THEMES SUCH AS ROOF PITCH, ROOF FORM, UH, THE EVE WIDTH, ALSO THE, THE PORCHES THEMSELVES.

UH, WINDOWS ARE ANOTHER, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT THAT IS, UH, ADDRESSED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.

IN ADDITION, THERE IS, ARE SOME REQUIRED ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT CAN BE SELECTED.

WE ASK THAT, UH, YOU INCORPORATE AT LEAST FIVE OF THE 10 THAT ARE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE.

UH, THESE ARE ELEMENTS THAT CAN BE SORT OF, UH, MIXED AND MATCHED TO CREATE, UH, YOUR OWN UNIQUE, UH, CRAFTSMAN STYLE STRUCTURE WHILE ALSO KEEPING TO, UH, THE, UH, ARCHITECTURE THAT'S FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

OH, HOW CAN I GO BACK? UM, MANY OF THESE ARE GONNA BE ILLUSTRATED AS WELL IN THE, UM, CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE GANGED WINDOWS WITH THE VERTICAL WOOD MULIAN SEPARATING THEM, UH, WHICH IS TYPICAL OF BUILDINGS OF THE PERIOD OF THIS AREA, THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS, SOMETIMES WITH DECORATIVE, UH, SAW ELEMENTS, DENTAL MOLDING.

ANOTHER, UH, DISTINCT FEATURE OF THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOMES IN THIS AREA IS THAT BATTERED ARE SLOPED SKIRTING.

THE OTHER, UH, PREDOMINANT STYLE IS THE TRANSITIONAL BUNGALOW, AGAIN, NOTING THE ROOF FORM, UH, ROOF EAVES, AS WELL AS THE PORCH FEATURES AND WINDOWS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.

UM, UH, IF NEW CONSTRUCTION IS BEING BUILT, IT MUST INCORPORATE AT LEAST FOUR OF THE EIGHT FEATURES OUTLINED HERE FOR TRANSITIONAL BUNGALOW.

AGAIN, PROVIDING, UH, THOSE ILLUSTRATIONS, UH, IN ORDER TO MAYBE CONVEY THE INFORMATION IN A WAY THAT, THAT THOSE, UH, OF COURSE WE WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD JUST LOOK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT WE DID PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE IN FORM OF ILLUSTRATION IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

SO, IN SUMMARY, UH, THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS A RESULT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD INITIATED, UH, AND GUIDED PROCESS FOR ESTABLISHING A CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

UH, THE PROPOSED AREA DOES MEET THE ELIGIBILITY, UH, THAT IS SET OUT IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, UH, PRESCRIBED IN THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN AND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS WILL HELP TO CONSERVE THE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY PROVIDING OR ENHANCING ITS PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES, AND, UH, THAT A CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS THE APPROPRIATE REGULATORY INSTRUMENT TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, THESE GOALS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVALS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE SOUTH WINNETKA HEIGHTS CONSERVATION DISTRICT ZONING ORDINANCE, AND CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS WILL HELP TO CONSERVE THE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY PROTECTING OR ENHANCING ITS PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ALSO, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OUTLINED IN THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN AND THE FORWARD DALLAS, UH, 2006 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

MR. BROWN.

MR. RUBIN, PLEASE.

I HAD A QUESTION ON, ON HOW THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT ORDINANCE TREATS ADUS.

SO RIGHT NOW, THIS IS R SEVEN FIVE ZONING, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO IT CAN'T BE RENTED OUT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF ADUS.

THERE ARE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND THERE ARE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THE MAIN DIFFERENCE, PERHAPS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO FURTHER DEED RESTRICT AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT,

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WHEREAS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT CAN BE RENTED OUT, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THE WAY THAT YOU GET EITHER TYPE OF A DU IN AN R SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT TODAY IS YOU CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEY CAN SAY, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MAKES SENSE HERE.

NO, LET'S JUST GO WITH AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT HERE.

I THINK IT'S, UH, DEPENDENT ON THE WHAT'S DEEMED, YOU KNOW, UH, SUITABLE AND PUBLIC INTEREST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND ALSO WHAT THE REQUEST IS BY THE APPLICANT.

AND THERE'S ALSO THE OVERLAY OPTION THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD CAN CAN COME TOGETHER AND ALLOW IT BY ADUS, BY OVERLAY, RIGHT? CORRECT.

UM, IN TRANSITIONING FROM R SEVEN FIVE TO THIS CONSERVATION DISTRICT, THE OPTION FOR GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS JUST NO LONGER ON THE TABLE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

IT'S NOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT, ONLY AN ADDITIONAL ONE THAT CAN'T BE RENTED OUT TO A THIRD PARTY? CORRECT.

SO WHY WAS THAT DECISION MADE HERE? IF WE HAVE A BOARD OF AN ADJUSTMENT PROCESS CURRENTLY, WHICH CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER, YOU KNOW, AN A DU SHOULD BE RENTABLE OR NOT? SURE.

SO AS PREVIOUSLY, UH, MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD INITIATED AND NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN PROCESS, AND SO THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT NEIGHBORS HAD WITH CITY STAFF.

UH, YOU KNOW, OUR ROLE IS THEN TO TAKE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WANT IN THEIR DISTRICT AND THEN PUT IT INTO THE DOCUMENT FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION.

AND SO THERE, THERE WAS, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE WAS DISCUSSED AT FOUR OF THE 12 MEETINGS THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE TWO DRAFT MEETINGS.

UM, SO IT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, I WOULDN'T SAY AT LENGTH, BUT CERTAINLY IT WAS A LIVELY DISCUSSION.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE, THE STAFF IS THE, THE SCRIVENER HERE JUST, JUST TAKING IN INPUT AND IT GOT THE DIRECTION TO DO NO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ONLY ALLOWING ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS.

IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? CORRECT.

AND WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR NOT EVEN ALLOWING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO CONSIDER AN APPLICATION FOR, UH, AN A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT, THAT WAS GIVEN IN THESE MEETINGS? WELL, UH, SOME OF THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UH, SIMILAR LANGUAGE DOES APPEAR IN EXISTING CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, AND SO, UH, NEIGHBORS PROBABLY HAD ACCESS TO THAT AND, AND STAFF PROBABLY PRESENTED CERTAIN, UH, OPTIONS IN REGARDS TO THAT IN INCLUDING DISCUSSING ADUS BY WRIGHT.

UH, I'LL POINT OUT.

UM, BUT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS.

UH, OF COURSE THIS WAS, UH, ALL AT THE HEIGHT OF THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE GOING ON.

AND SO I THINK THE NEIGHBORS THEMSELVES, UH, WANTED TO, UM, CONTROL THAT SITUATION OR, OR PERCEIVED, UH, PERCEIVED SITUATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND NEIGHBORS ARE FREE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WHEN THERE'S AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT APPLICATION AND SAY, NO, LET'S JUST DOWNGRADE THIS TO AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT, RIGHT? CORRECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER? MR. BRYANT? EXCUSE ME.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WHAT ARE THE TRANSITIONAL, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TRANSITIONING FROM? SO WE'RE SEEING, UH, SORT OF FROM THE QUEEN ANN PERIOD OF, YOU KNOW, THE 19 1880S TO 19 TEENS, AND WE START TO SEE THEM PICKING UP MORE OF THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE ATTRIBUTES.

THESE TWO STYLES, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS, ARE, ARE VERY SIMILAR, BUT DO HAVE DISTINCT DIFFERENCES.

UH, PRIMARILY THE ROOF FORM.

UH, MOST CRAFTSMAN STYLE STRUCTURES ARE GONNA BE A GABLE, UH, FRONT FACING GABLE, WHERE THE TRANSITIONAL BUNGALOWS ARE, ARE GONNA BE A HIP, UH, ROOF, PREDOMINANTLY, UH, OFTEN FEATURING EITHER, UH, A CENTERED DORMER, UM, OR, OR SOME SORT OF A RECESSED, UH, UH, SUBORDINATE GABLE JUST OFF THE PORCH.

UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR, LIKE A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.

WE'RE GONNA SEE SOME, UH, SORT OF BLURRING AS WE GO BETWEEN PERIODS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE DEMONSTRATED IN THOSE CONCRETE STAMPS, UH, WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DEVELOPING IN THE 19 TEENS, WE'RE AGAIN, SORT OF TRANSITIONING FROM SORT OF THAT, UH, COLONIAL, I MEAN, UM, QUEEN ANNE MAYBE NEOCLASSICAL INTO THE ADOPTING MORE OF A CRAFTSMAN STYLE FORM.

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FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA COMMEND YOU FOR THE VERY HIGH QUALITY OF YOUR PRESENTATION IN YOUR REPORT.

IT WAS A PLEASURE TO READ.

UM, I SEE THAT THERE ARE ONLY FOUR HOMES THAT ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING HERE.

THEY'VE BEEN BUILT SINCE 1940 OUTSIDE THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I THINK THERE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, A FEW MORE THAT ARE CONSIDERED NON-CONTRIBUTING.

I THINK IT WAS, UH, MAYBE EIGHT TOTAL.

AND, AND PART OF THAT MAY BE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.

THERE ARE, UH, A HANDFUL OF NEW HOMES, FOR EXAMPLE.

UH, BUT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, A SERIES OF REMODELINGS THAT DID NOT FALL SORT OF WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT WAS OUTLINED, UH, FOR THE TWO PREDOMINANT STYLES.

YOU DIDN'T BY ANY CHANCE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HOMES? UH, LET'S SEE, BECAUSE I SEE IN THE REPORT THAT THERE ARE ONLY FIVE TWO STORY HOMES IN THE AREA, AND FOUR OF THOSE, UH, WERE BUILT, WERE BUILT LATER.

SO WE SHOULD SEE THEM IN SOME OF THESE STREET SCAPES.

SO, UH, IN THAT STREET SCAPE AT THE TOP OF THE SLIDE, THAT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, HOME, I THINK THAT WAS BUILT WITHIN THE LAST, UH, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

AND THEN, UH, WHERE IS, I SAW MIKE'S, OH, UH, AND THEN IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL, UH, TRANSITIONAL FOURSQUARE.

THE OTHER, UH, TWO, TWO STORY STRUCTURES ARE, I BELIEVE, ON THE CORNER OF, UM, WILLAMETTE AND 12TH STREET, UH, ONE, ONE AN ORIGINAL THAT HAD BEEN, UH, REMODELED, UH, TO BECOME, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE SPANISH IN CHARACTER STUCCO, UH, TILE ROOF.

AND THEN ANOTHER THAT, UH, TENDS TO LEAN MORE TOWARDS SORT OF A, A QUEEN AND, UH, FARMHOUSE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.

BUT THE DISTRICT IS CONSERVING, UH, PRESERVING THE RIGHT TO HAVE, UH, TWO STORY HOUSES.

JUST THERE ARE, UH, REGULATIONS AS TO HOW THOSE, WHERE THEY CAN BE PLACED AND, AND WHAT THE DESIGN BE.

COULD BE THE NEIGHBORS EXPRESSED, UH, A DESIRE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, EXPAND TO TWO STORIES, BUT THEY ALSO RECOGNIZE THE CHARACTER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AS 95% SINGLE STORY HOMES.

UM, AND SO STAFF BROUGHT TO THEM, UH, EXAMPLES THAT CAN BE FOUND IN THE BLOCKS SURROUNDING THE AREA OF HISTORIC, UH, CONSTRUCTION, WHERE SECOND STORIES ARE, ARE POPPED UP, UH, MAINLY TO THE REAR OF, UH, OF THE HOUSE.

AND SO, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, SECOND STORIES ARE ALLOWED, BUT THAT THEY WILL BE LOCATED ON THE REAR 50% OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION.

THERE'S A, A STATEMENT IN HERE ABOUT, UM, IF THERE'S ACCESS TO THE GARAGE, UM, VIA AN ALLEY, THAT YOU NEED A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 20 FEET TO THE GARAGE DOOR.

IS THAT AN EXISTING CONDITION OR JUST FAIRLY STANDARD LANGUAGE? I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION.

I, I BELIEVE IT WAS AT ZAC ON PER PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACES TO, TO SHORTEN THAT DISTANCE, BECAUSE NOW WITH GARAGE DOOR OPENERS, YOU KNOW, CARS AREN'T LINGERING IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, SO, RIGHT.

UM, SO THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR REAR ENTRY GARAGES AND FOR, FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THAT.

THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

MR. BROWN AND THE TEAM.

IS MR. POOL ONLINE AT THE MOMENT? HE IS NOT.

OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR LUNCH BREAK.

WE'LL COME BACK AND BRIEF, UH, THE REST OF THE, THE CASES.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, 15 UPDATES ON 17, AND THEN THE SIGNED CASE ON 18.

IT'S 1202.

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ENJOY YOUR LUNCH COMMISSIONERS.

7, 8, 9.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

MS. SINA, CAN YOU PLEASE START

[CALL TO ORDER]

US OFF WITH A ROLL CALL? TAKE YOUR TIME.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

UM, ROLL CALL.

DISTRICT ONE, PRESENT.

PRESENT DISTRICT SIX.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

DISTRICT EIGHT? I'M HERE.

AND PLACE 15? I AM HERE.

YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. FAINA.

GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, MARCH 21ST, 2020 4, 12 50 2:00 PM COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THE AGENDA.

OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, EACH RE SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.

UH, MS. PINA, WE'LL KEEP TIME AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW YOUR TIME IS UP.

UH, FOR OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING.

STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

UH, PER OUR RULES.

IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.

UH, AND AGAIN, PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ALSO, UH, DOWN HERE AT THE TABLE TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT, THERE'S YELLOW FORMS. UH, PLEASE, AT SOME POINT TODAY, COME DOWN AND FILL ONE OF THOSE OUT.

YOU CAN JUST LEAVE THEM THERE ON THE, ON THE TABLE.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A RECORD, UH, OF YOUR VISIT WITH US.

UH, AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED RIGHT AT THE VERY TOP OF THE AGENDA AND, UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE MARCH SEVEN MINUTES.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION? DO WE NEED TO TABLE IT FOR THE MOMENT? YES.

TABLE.

WE'LL TABLE IT FOR THE MOMENT.

CAN YOU READ THE CON, UH, MISCELLANEOUS CONSENT AGENDA INTO THE RECORD? ITEM NUMBER TWO M 2 34 DASH 0 1 4 APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO EXISTING SITE PLAN FOR PACIFIC.

UH, THEN WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER TWO, WHICH WOULD BE YOU.

[Minor Amendments - Consent]

USE PERMIT 24 41 FOR A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON A PROPERTY ZONE IN OA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF BRO AND ROLL.

AND AT THE TERMINUS OF SCAMS DRIVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER THREE, A APPLICATION FOR A WAIVER OF A TWO YEAR WAITING PERIOD TO SUBMIT A ZONING APPLICATION ON A PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 LOWER, LOWER GREENVILLE AVENUE SPECIAL PROVISION DISTRICT WITH A MD ONE, UH, GREENVILLE AVENUE, MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GREENVILLE AVENUE AND ON THEM DRIVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. BLUE.

UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS TWO OR THREE? IF THERE ISN'T, THEY'LL SIMPLY BE APPROVED IN A SINGLE MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THAT'S M 2 3 4 0 1 4 AND W2 3 4 0 0 1.

NOT SEEING ANYONE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THESE TWO ITEMS? MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF M 2 3 4 0 4 AND W2 3 4 0 0 1, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION SAYING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. PEPPI.

IT'S, UH, MISCELLANEOUS UNDER ADVISEMENT.

UM, I'M HERE TO READ THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND TO BE SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT.

AND NUMBER FOUR IS FOUR, FOUR IS ALSO ON CONSENT.

IT'S, YEAH, GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS

[4. An application for a minor amendment to an existing development plan on property zoned Planned Development District No. 166 on the west line of La Prada Drive, south of Blyth Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Nexus Incorporated Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Tasfia Zahin U/A From: February 15, 2024 and March 7, 2024. Council District: 7 M223-033(TZ)]

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IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3.

AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 66 ON THE WEST LINE OF LA PRADA DRIVE SOUTH OF BLY DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS CASE NUMBER FOUR.

UH, SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS.

THIS IS JUST A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE NEXUS RECOVERY CENTER ON LA PRADA.

UH, THE INTERESTING THING IS THIS, UH, ORIGINAL EXHIBIT HAD BOTH, UH, UM, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE NEXUS RECOVERY CENTER, THEN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR TRACK TWO, UM, IN THE SAME EXHIBIT.

SO WE ARE JUST AMENDING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

UH, HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, VICE RUBEN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

MR. CHAIR, IN THE MATTER OF M 2 23 0 3 3, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

NUMBER FIVE.

CONSENT AGENDA, UH, CONSISTS OF 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW MOVING TO OUR ZONING CASES.

THAT

[Zoning Cases - Consent:]

CASE NUMBER FIVE HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT.

SO SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT, UH, WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE THREE CASES, THAT SIX, SEVEN, OR EIGHT BEGINNING ON PAGE THREE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE SIX, SEVEN, OR EIGHT? OKAY, LET'S READ THOSE IN PLEASE.

OKAY, SO ITEM SIX IS AN APPLICATION IS Z 2 2 3 2 4 3.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONED TRACK FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 4, THE PRESTON CENTER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF COLGATE AVENUE BETWEEN WESTCHESTER DRIVE AND PRESTON ROAD.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS SEVEN IS Z 2 2 2 3 4 1 3 0.

THAT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN AN OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA.

ONE WITH IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 360 6, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH NORTH LINE OF SE SE ROAD EAST OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

ITEM EIGHT IS Z 2 3 4 1 3 5.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE, OR TAVERN ON PROPERTY WITHIN THE MIXED MASTER RIVERFRONT SUB AREA OF PLAY AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 84, THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF SOUTH RIVERFRONT BOULEVARD, NORTHWEST OF HOUSTON STREET.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU MR. PEP.

COMMISSIONER'S.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

CHAIR.

UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT CONSISTING OF Z 2 2 3, 2, 4, 3 Z, 2, 3, 4, 1, 3, AND Z 2 3, 4 1, 3 5 SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOFF FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SAY NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AND YOU OPPOSED? AYES HAVE ITZA.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE

[5. 24-948 An application for a P(A) Parking District on property zoned Subdistrict B-2 within Planned Development District No. 749, the Baylor University Medical Center Special Purpose District, with a D Liquor Control Overlay; an LO-3-D Limited Office District with a D Liquor Control Overlay; and an LO-3 District on the northwest line of Worth Street, southwest of North Haskell Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a site plan.]

IS KZ 2 2 3 2 1 9.

AND APPLICATION FOR A PA PARKING DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT B TWO WITHIN PLAN, DEVELOP DISTRICT NUMBER 7 49, THE BAYLOR UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND LOR 3D LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND AN LO THREE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF THE, OF WARD STREET, SOUTHWEST OF NO HASKELL AVENUE IONS APPROVAL.

SUBJECT, UH, TO THE CPLAN AS BRIEFED, I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

ANDREW REIG, 2201 MAIN STREET, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1 HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

UH, BAYLOR UNIVERSITY MEDICAL

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CENTER.

UH, THE REQUEST, UH, HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS FOR A PARKING DISTRICT.

UH, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY DIVIDED UP INTO THREE PROPERTIES, ONE OF THOSE WHICH IS WITHIN THE EXISTING, UH, BAYLOR PD, TWO OF THOSE WHICH ARE ZONED LO THREE, UH, THE IMPETUS OF THE REQUEST, CONSOLIDATE THAT ALL INTO ONE, UH, P PARKING DISTRICT.

UM, SO IT CAN SUPPLEMENT PARKING TO A, UH, SURGICAL CENTER ACROSS THE ALLEYWAY THAT HAS, UH, BEEN PERMITTED AND IS CURRENTLY, UH, UNDERGOING CONSTRUCTION.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO, UH, FROM THE BRIEFING, THE, I I WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND HER INVOLVEMENT WITH THE, UH, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

I THINK WHAT THE IMPORTANT THING WAS IS THAT WE MAINTAIN THOSE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE BAYLOR PD.

UH, PARTICULARLY WORTH STREET IS A PEDESTRIAN LINKAGE STREET.

SO WE'VE UPDATED OUR PLAN, UM, TO INCORPORATE THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PD CURRENTLY.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT A DUMPSTER.

WE DO HAVE A DUMPSTER ON OUR SITE, UH, WHICH IS USED TO, OR PROPOSED TO BE USED TO SUPPLEMENT THE, UM, TRASH COLLECTION OPERATION WITH THE NEW SURGICAL CARE CENTER ACROSS THE ALLEYWAY.

UH, WE HAVE OBTAINED A DUMPSTER WAIVER TO DO THAT WITH, UH, PERMITTING.

UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT IT.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR, UH, THE QUICK TURNAROUND.

WE HAD A A COUPLE LAST MINUTE TWEAKS JUST TO PUT SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGE INTO THE PLAN.

UH, SO I WANT THANK, UH, STAFF AGAIN FOR HELPING US, UH, PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER HEMP, PLEASE.

YOU, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS.

UM, MR. WIG, AS A PART OF THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONVERSATIONS, IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE'S BEEN A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BAYLOR AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY THAT DEVELOPED OUT OF THE, UM, INITIAL PD? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND AS A PART OF THE CURRENT DISCUSSIONS AND THE, UM, PROPOSED PARKING DISTRICT, IS THERE A, UM, I'M GONNA CALL IT A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT, BUT A LETTER OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE PARTIES THAT IF THERE ARE FUTURE COMMUNITY SERVING NEEDS, UM, THAT IF THE PARKING MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE, THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION THAT WILL CONTINUE BETWEEN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND BAYLOR? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THEN, UM, SECONDARY QUESTION YOU AND I HAD DISCUSSED.

UM, WE HAVE OUR SITE PLAN, IT'S CARRIED FORWARD, THE CONCEPTS IN THE PD, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED FOR BOTH THE SURFACE PARKING AND THE PEDESTRIAN LINKAGE STREET.

UM, THERE IS NO FENCING CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK BAYLOR SOMETIMES INCLUDES WITHIN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT IT WOULD MEET ALL PARKING OR PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF HEIGHTS, MATERIALS AND CONSISTENT WITH THEIR GENERAL CAMPUS STANDARDS? YES, EXACTLY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SO NOW COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS.

IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH TWO 19, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AS BRIEFED.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOU DO HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER COMMENTS? I'M SURE I HAVE TO THANK YOU.

I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK MR. WIG AND, UM, THE BAYLOR TEAM WHO HAVE CONTINUED THEIR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS THERE ARE REGULARLY COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, HELD FROM REVIEW.

BAYLOR, IT'S A KEY COMPONENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S A MAJOR EMPLOYER.

IT'S BEEN AN ANCHOR IN THE COMMUNITY SINCE THE TURN OF THE CENTURY.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT AND CONTINUING THE, THE DIALOGUE WITH THEM AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE? JUST, I WANT TO COMMEND, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND, UH, THE STAFF AND TEAM FOR WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.

I LOVE THE, UH, LANDSCAPING AROUND THE HISTORICALLY BAYLOR LOCATIONS AND I KNOW MATCHING THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT, UM, BUT I'M SURE LADY HAMPTON TOOK CARE OF THAT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON NUMBER NINE.

JUST PAUSE ONE SECOND.

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MR. CAPPA, YOU GONNA READ THIS INTO THE RECORD PLEASE? THANK YOU.

Z 2 23 116 IS ITEM NINE, AND THAT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND A VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA TWO, WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 6, THE BUCKING BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF CONNOR DRIVE BETWEEN BRUTON ROAD AND STONE HURST STREET STAFF.

[9. 24-952 An application for a Specific Use Permit for an auto service center and vehicle display, sales, and service on property zoned Subarea 2 within Planned Development District No. 366, the Buckner Boulevard Special Purpose District, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay on the west line of Conner Drive, between Bruton Road and Stonehurst Street. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Daniel Marquez Representative: Isai Marquez Planner: Michael Pepe U/A From: November 2, 2023, January 18, 2024, February 15, 2024, and March 7, 2024. Council District: 5 Z223-116(MP)]

RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.

MR. PEPE.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION? IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK, UH, UM, IN OPPOSITION? UM, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, I DO HAVE A MOTION.

THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 116, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL MAY 16TH.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER.

UH, SHE, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT WRIGHT.

UM, MOTION ON THE TABLE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT I'S MAY 16TH.

THE RECORD REFLECT THAT MR. RUBIN IS BACK IN THE CHAMBER.

MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 10.

[10. 24-953 An application for an MF-2(A) Multifamily District on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the southeast corner of West Kiest Boulevard and Guadalupe Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Raul Estrada Representative: Mariela Estrada Planner: Michael Pepe U/A From: January 18, 2024 and February 15, 2024. Council District: 3 Z223-217(MP)]

ITEM 10 IS Z 2 2 3 2 7.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 7.5, A SINGLE DI FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST KEYS BOULEVARD IN GUADALUPE AVENUE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS NUMBER 10, PAGE FOUR.

PLEASE TURN ON THE MIC.

THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BUTTON THERE ON THE STAND.

NO, I THINK THAT'S IT.

THAT WAS IT.

OH, NOW IT TURNED OFF AGAIN.

UM, ELLEN TAFT, 79 24 GLEN WAY DRIVE DALLAS.

AND I UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS GOING TO BE POSTPONED OR IT'S OKAY.

SO I APOLOGIZE.

I'VE TAKEN YOUR TIME.

I WILL WAIT AND RESPEAK WHEN IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND RE CLARIFIED.

UH, PLEASE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES IF YOU WANT TO TAKE 'EM.

YOU CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE.

WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

WELL, COMMISSIONERS, WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE IT'S BEEN POSTED THAT WE ONLY HAVE A FEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES ALREADY IN OUR DISTRICT AND WE HAVE 19.

AND I DID SEND EACH OF YOU AN EMAIL TO THAT INFORMATION AS WELL BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND WE HAVE VERY WEALTHY PEOPLE LIVING IN OUR DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING AT MEANS.

SO WE HAVE A HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS LOT THAT'S VALUED AT $1.35 MILLION.

AND THE NEXT HOUSE IS AT $221,000.

SO OUR AREA IS VERY DIVERSE.

WE HAVE GREAT POPULATION OF MANY DIFFERENT CULTURES AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR LISTENING.

I APPRECIATE THOSE OF YOU THAT TOOK TIME TO LOOK AT THE MAPS AND CHARTS THAT I SENT BECAUSE WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO KEEP THIS AREA SINGLE FAMILY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ARE ARE TWO SPEAKERS THAT ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ONLINE? THEY'RE NOT ONLINE.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, GEORGE

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COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE, I, I WILL PLEASE, COMMISSIONER, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE DIDN'T, UM, WE HAVEN'T BRIEFED THIS CASE AT, UM, UM, MICHAEL PEPE IS ON THIS CASE.

JUST MICHAEL, JUST TO CLARIFY, WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MOTION AND CHANGES IN THIS CASE? AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HOLDING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING? THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS.

THEY HAVEN'T FORMALLY CHANGED ANYTHING, BUT THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGES.

PERFECT.

SO WE'RE GIVING THEM SOME TIME TO, UH, WORK THOSE DETAILS OUT AND COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY WITH THEIR CHANGES.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? YES.

IN THE CASE OF, UH, THE Z 2 2 3 207, I RECOMMEND THAT WE HOLD THE CASE, UM, OPEN AND, UH, HEAR IT AGAIN AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, WHICH IS MAY 2ND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

UM, BEFORE WE GO TO CASE NUMBER 11, JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT.

I KNOW THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF YOU FOR, FOR CASES AND LET YOU KNOW WHICH CASES ARE GONNA BE HELD.

SO WE'RE ON CASE 11.

UH, WE'LL GO TO 13 IS GONNA BE HELD AT APRIL 4TH, CASE 14 WILL BE HELD AT MAY 2ND.

AND, UH, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE GONNA BE HELD.

NOW, OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON, ON EITHER OF THOSE TWO ITEMS, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU THAT COMMISSIONERS WILL GO TO CASE NUMBER 11.

AM I READY? HELLO EVERYBODY.

HI MAYOR.

UM, I'M HERE FOR THE, I'M NEW AT THIS.

YOU'RE GONNA, EXCUSE ME.

THIS IS, UH, THE TWO.

HERE IT IS.

THE Z 2 2 3 DRIVES 300.

I'M HERE FOR THAT ONE.

THE NUMBER 11.

WE WILL, WE'LL GET TO YOU IN JUST ONE MOMENT, MA'AM.

YEAH, WE'RE ON THAT CASE.

PLEASE STAND BY.

WE'RE GONNA GET RIGHT TO YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSION.

ITEM 11 IS CASE Z 2 23 DASH 300.

AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF HENDRICKS AVENUE, EAST OF SOUTH LEY DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.

UH, YES SIR.

UH, RICK ADAMSKI, UH, SEVEN OH ONE OH SIR, AT THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

DON'T, YEAH, WE HAVE THE, UH, 11TH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS, I WAS PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY ON THIS MATTER.

APOLOGIES.

NO WORRIES.

UH, RICK, RICK ADAMSKI 7 0 1 ALSBETH STREET IN DALLAS AND I'M A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT.

UM, WE HAD HAD SOME, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS.

WE HAD REACHED OUT TO SOME PEOPLE.

WE HAD SPOKEN INFORMALLY TO SOME PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, BASED ON RECENT CONVERSATIONS, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT HAD COME UP THAT WERE, THAT WERE SPECIFIC, THAT WE FELT THAT COULD PERHAPS BE ADDRESSED IN, UH, THROUGH A, A DEED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE WERE SOME POTENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT.

UH, THERE WERE ALSO CONCERNS THAT WE FELT WERE, WERE FAIRLY EASY TO ADDRESS OR WOULD BE ADDRESSED AUTOMATICALLY, SUCH AS AS CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING.

UM, WHAT WE WOULD APPRECIATE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT SOME OF THESE CONCERNS ARE VERY VALID AND THAT THEY PROBABLY NEED TO BE HAMMERED OUT.

UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS REQUEST IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE A SESSION WHERE WE CAN TALK TO, UM, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FACE TO FACE, GET A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOGETHER AND TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS.

UM, AND PERHAPS IF THERE NEEDS TO BE DEED RESTRICTIONS OR IF, IF THERE'S NO WAY TO COME TO A RESOLUTION, UH, THAT WE WOULD DO THAT, BUT WE FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD HIGH QUALITY ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF, IF THIS COULD BE PUT UNDER ADVISEMENT.

THAT'S OUR, UH, THAT'S OUR REQUEST TODAY.

THANK YOU SIR.

UH, TO WHAT DATE DO YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THIS BACK? DO YOU? UM, I BELIEVE IT.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, BUT IF WE COULD EXTEND IT FOR A MONTH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

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I WAS PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TODAY ON THIS MATTER.

BUT HE, HE'S STILL JUST LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT HE'D LIKE TO REQUEST TO HOLD IT.

SO IT WOULD BE APRIL, WE DON'T ONLY HAVE ONE HEARING IN ON IN APRIL.

IT WOULD BE THE FOURTH.

APRIL 4TH, YES.

THAT, THAT'S YOUR REQUEST.

THANK YOU SIR.

APPRECIATE THAT SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? YES.

YES MA'AM.

I'M WITH BRENTWOOD TRINITY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

SORRY ABOUT THAT Y'ALL.

UM, MY NAME IS DEBORAH AGUILAR AND I RESIDE AT 7 2 7 SOUTHMORE STREET HERE IN DALLAS.

AND WE DID, UH, A LOT OF US CAME TOGETHER AS FAR AS WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN WANTS TO DO.

AND IT IS NOT FEASIBLE FOR OUR AREA 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND YOU'RE PUTTING SOMETHING IN, HE WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE THAT WON'T EVEN FIT.

SO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO, IT DOESN'T SEEM FEASIBLE TO US AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED 'CAUSE WE'VE ONLY GOT A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND HE WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE.

SO WITH US AS A COMMUNITY, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA FIT IN WITH WHATEVER'S THERE NOW WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S THERE NOW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US MS. AGUILAR.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, YOU HIT A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL, SIR.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, IF I MAY RESPOND TO THAT VERY BRIEFLY, THERE ARE, UM, SEVERAL, UH, TOWNHOUSES, UM, WITHIN, UH, ABOUT A BLOCK AND A HALF OR SO OF THE AREA.

SO THERE ARE SOME IN THE GENERAL AREA.

UM, AND IT IS OUR HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAY ADDRESS SPECIFIC CONCERNS AND, AND WE HAVE THE SORT OF THE HEIGHT AND OTHER, UM, REQUIREMENTS IN THE AESTHETIC REQUIREMENTS THAT CAN HELP IT TO FIT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE STAND BY.

THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU COMMISSIONER'S, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

VICE CHAIR RUBIN? YEAH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. DSKY.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE, THIS WAS CLEAR, BUT YOU MENTIONED, UH, A ONE MONTH HOLD AND YOU KNOW, THE APRIL, OUR FIRST APRIL MEETING WOULD BE TWO WEEKS.

WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND APRIL MEETING BECAUSE OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE.

THEN WE'RE NEXT MEETING ON MAY 2ND.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT AND YOU'RE STILL COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIRST, I, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT, FOR NOT THINKING THROUGH THAT.

I WOULD APPRECIATE AN EXTENSION TO MAY 2ND, WHICH I BELIEVE WILL GIVE US TIME TO, UM, TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS.

I KNOW WE TALK PRETTY QUICKLY UP HERE SOMETIMES.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

MR. DEMSKY.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE HOLD IS TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.

HAVE THERE, HAVE THERE BEEN COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THE REQUEST HELD? UH, NO.

WE, UM, REACHED, WE HAD REACHED OUT, UM, IN SOME EMAILS TO THE COMMUNITY LEADERS AND MADE SOME REQUESTS AND HAD SOME INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME PEOPLE, BUT WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO GET A FORMAL, A MEETING OF EVERYBODY AT, AT THE SAME TIME TOGETHER.

UM, UP TO THIS POINT, UM, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, MADE SOME ATTEMPTS.

SO WE HOPE THAT BASED ON, UH, BEING ABLE TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS AND HEARING SPECIFIC CONCERNS, UM, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT MEETING IN PERSON.

SO YOU, YOU HAVE CORRESPONDED WITH THE COMMUNITY YES.

AND RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THEM? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED IN YOUR COMMENTS THAT THERE ARE TOWNHOUSES, UM, IN THE VICINITY.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A ROUGH IDEA? I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHICH ONES THOSE MAY BE.

UM, I, I APO THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, I HAD MISPLACED A SHEET THAT I HAD, SO I APOLOGIZE.

THERE ARE, UM, UH, SEVERAL WITHIN A, A BLOCK TO THE EAST.

UM, AND I CAN SEND YOU THE, THE DETAILS ON THOSE ADDRESSES.

WE HAD THEM IN A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION.

AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND ON THE ZONING MAP, IT'S CR I GUESS ACROSS THE ALLEY FROM YOU, BUT EVERYTHING FOR YOUR BLOCK ON HENDRICKS AND THE SOUTH OF THAT, IT'S ALL R FIVE ZONING, IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

HOMES THAT WERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE DUPLEX TOWN HOME UNITS.

BUT EAST OF THAT, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S AN EXISTING, THERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE EXISTING TOWNHOUSES AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU, THEY'RE NOT RIGHT ON THAT BLOCK, BUT THERE'S SOME, AND THERE'S ALSO, UM, A COUPLE TO THE, TO THE WEST ABOUT A BLOCK.

SO I CAN SEND YOU SPECIFIC ADDRESS.

SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NOT R FIVE ZONING THEN? UM, THERE, THERE ARE TOWNHOUSES.

I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE ARE SOME TOWNHOUSES THERE, BUT THERE ARE SOME.

COMMISSIONER FORESITE.

DID I, UH, YESTERDAY, UM, UH, WHEN WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK, UH, I DID ASK YOU TO PROVIDE ME EXAMPLES OF

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IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I, IF, IF YOU HAD ASKED THAT, I, I, UH, DIDN'T RECALL, UH, THAT QUESTION, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND THAT TO YOU.

TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I DID MAKE THAT REQUEST YESTERDAY.

I APOLOGIZE, MR. MR THAT RECEIVED ANYTHING AND ALL THE HOMES ON THAT STREET, UH, IN THE STREET SOUTH OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY ARE ALL ZONED R FIVE.

AND, UH, I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I I I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR LATER.

THANK YOU SIR.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT.

QUESTIONS FOR MS. ARD OR SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER FOR YES.

UH, THANK YOU SIR.

MS. UH, AGUILAR.

AGUILAR, ARE YOU ABLE TO COME BACK UP PLEASE? I'M SORRY TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK DOWN HERE.

FIRST, MS. AGUILAR, COULD YOU, UH, STATE TO THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, HERE, UH, WHAT INTERACTIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH MR. ADAMSKI ON THIS PROJECT? PLEASE SAY THAT AGAIN.

COULD YOU, COULD, COULD YOU TELL THE COMMISSIONERS WHAT INTERACTIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH MR. ADAMSKI? UH, COMMUNICATIONS INTERACTIONS? WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND THE WIDTH.

'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG TO BE PUTTING IN A CRAMMED INTO A LITTLE SPOT, A LITTLE LOT AREA, AND NO WAY FOR THEM TO PARK ANYWHERE.

AND WHAT ELSE? SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, LET'S SEE, HIDE WITH NO PARKING.

SOMETHING ABOUT HE WOULD PAVE THE, THE ALLEYWAY.

I BELIEVE HE SAID HE WOULD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S STILL NOT FIT FOR THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND HE WANTS TO PUT THIS, UH, TOWN HOME, WHATEVER HE WANTS TO PUT THERE.

IT, IT, I, TO ME, IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, DON'T WANT IT THERE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S JUST GONNA BRING A LOT OF UNWANTED STUFF, AS ONE COULD SAY.

AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN JUST GET, IF HE WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING, PREFERABLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, PREFERABLY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE MORE BETTER BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UH, TRAFFIC GO, WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.

AND IF THEY'RE ON THE STREET, I EVEN TOLD 'EM, I SAID, I WILL CALL 24 7, UH, PARKING AND THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THAT STREET IS NOT THAT WIDE.

SO THAT WAS A BIT PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD.

UH, MS. AGUILAR, IS THERE ALREADY A PARKING PROBLEM ON THAT STREET? OH YEAH, THERE IS.

THERE'S A LOT.

YES, THERE IS.

AND ALSO, COULD I ASK YOU, UH, IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS WHAT INTERACTIONS OR COMMUNICATIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS? UH, THE SAME CONCERN NEIGHBORS ON HENDRICKS? YEAH.

THE SAME CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS WHAT IS HE PLANNING ON DOING, WHY IS HE DOING IT? YOU KNOW, IS HE GONNA, IS HE GONNA BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY? WHICH IS NOT AT ALL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS AS WELL.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PARK ON THE STREET AS WELL, AND WE DO CALL 'EM AND LET THEM KNOW THEY GOTTA MOVE THEIR CAR WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO IT IS A CONGESTED AREA.

IT'S JUST, AND I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. ADAMSKI.

MR. ADAMSKI, UH, WHEN DID Y'ALL, UH, FIRST WORK WITH, UH, THE, THE PLANNING STAFF ON, ON THIS CASE? WHEN DID Y'ALL FIRST OPEN THIS CASE? UM, THE CASE WAS FIRST, UH, SUBMITTED IN MAY OF LAST YEAR.

SO WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO ALREADY SCHEDULE A COMMUNITY MEETING? I, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS FAIR TO SAY.

I HAVE, UM, REQUESTED, UM, SOME, SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

SO I'M HOPING THAT, UM, BEFORE IN THE PAST AND, AND MADE OURSELVES OPEN.

SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN DO THAT NOW.

UM, BUT I HAVE SENT, SENT EMAILS AND WE HAD SOME CORRESPONDENCE IN, IN THE PAST AS WELL.

BUT I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY HOPE IS THAT THIS, THE CONCERNS, UM, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, WHICH I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

UM, MY HOPE IS THAT, UH, WE, I WOULD LIKE AT LEAST AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND, AND DISCUSS THAT AND SEE IF IT CAN BE RESOLVED BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES WITH THE COMMUNITY, IS MY HOPE.

IS IT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF I, IF I MAY.

WE'RE, SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. AGUILAR.

NO PROBLEM.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE FOLLOW BY COMMISSIONER BOYER.

MS. AGUILAR AGUILAR.

ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY.

POSITION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT ARE YOU THE I'M THE CHAIRPERSON, THE LE UH, THE, CAN'T HEAR YOU.

MS. AGUILAR, CAN YOU PLEASE, UM, SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION, UM, YOUR

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I'M THE CHAIRPERSON OF BRENTWOOD TRINITY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK FOR THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD? THAT'S AUTHORITY IS KIND OF A STRONG WORD, ? UH, WELL, I MEAN, WE ALL GET, OKAY, LET ME, LET ME RE REPHRASE THAT FOR YOU.

UM, IS IT SAFE TO ASK OR SAY THAT YOU ARE, YOU ARE HERE REPRESENTING YOUR COMMUNITY? THAT SOUNDS BETTER.

YES, MA'AM.

'CAUSE I WENT UP AND DOWN THE STREET TALKING TO THEM, PUT UH, INFORMATION ON THEIR DOOR AS TO WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE IF THIS DEVELOPER GENTLEMAN DECIDES THEY WANT TO PUT THIS HERE.

AND A LOT OF 'EM ARE ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT LIVE THERE AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.

AND I KIND OF MORE OR LESS TOLD 'EM WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS TOOK PLACE.

SO IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS, THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, AND THAT THEY ARE AGING IN PLACE? YES, WE'VE BEEN THERE LONGER THAN I HAVE.

YES MA'AM.

UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, MS. AGUILAR, I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER TODAY.

YOU SAID YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS HAPPENING, IF THIS WAS BUILT, OTHER THAN HEIGHT AND PARKING, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S, LEMME SEE IF I CAN PUT IT THIS WAY.

IT'S LIKE PUTTING AN APARTMENT, TWO OR THREE APARTMENTS AND ONE LITTLE, AND ONE LITTLE CRAMMED UP AREA AND YOU GOT DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT.

SO THEN YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING ISSUES, YOU HAVE PARKING ISSUES AS WELL.

I CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, BUT THE THING IS, I'LL DO WITH THIS.

Y'ALL GOT, EXCUSE ME, THE, IT'S LIKE PUTTING APARTMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR ALL THAT.

UM, WE GOT ISSUES ALREADY WITH PARKING.

WE GOT ISSUES WITH, UH, OUR ALLEYS AND STUFF.

WE EVEN HAVE, WE HAVE OTHER KIND OF ISSUES AS WELL.

SO THIS, THIS, THIS WOULDN'T WORK FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, BUT IT JUST WOULDN'T WORK.

I CAN GO BACK AND RETHINK AND THINK AND TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S JUST MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND HE WANTS TO PUT TOWN, HOMES, HEAT, UH, DUPLEXES, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

SO YES MA'AM.

DO I NEED TO GO BACK AND RETHINK THIS AND COME BACK TO, TO EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER? SO, I MEAN, YEAH.

EXCUSE ME.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME, SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU GUYS THINK OR HOW YOU WANT TO HEAR ME TALK.

IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, UH, THE DEVELOPER WAS TALKING ABOUT PAVING THE ALLEY AND COMING UP WITH A PARKING SOLUTION OR WORKING WITH YOU ON A PARKING SOLUTION, IF HE WAS ABLE TO DO THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD RESOLVE THAT COMPLAINT, RIGHT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

NOT REALLY.

AFTER I DID THE RESEARCH AND AFTER I LISTENED TO WHAT HE SAID, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY WORK BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE, EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE WE HAVE A GOOD AREA, UH, I DON'T THINK THIS, I BELIEVE IN MY HEART IT WON'T WORK.

AND EVEN WHEN I TALKED TO THE OTHER, UH, CONSTITUENTS, NEIGHBORS, HOWEVER YOU ADDRESS 'EM, I TALKED TO THEM AS WELL AND I TOLD 'EM WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE AND THEY SAID NO, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.

SO I SAID, OKAY, WHETHER IT'S HEIGHT, WIDTH, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE, THE LOT ITSELF.

AND IT'S, THAT'S NOT, THE LOT ISN'T THAT BIG AND YOU'RE GONNA CRAM WHAT IN THERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT, IT WON'T LOOK GOOD, PUT IT THAT WAY.

SO, AND THEN THEIR ELDERLY, THEIR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GONNA GO UP AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA, AND YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF STARTING SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT NOW, THEN LATER THEY'RE GONNA COMPLAIN, HEY, YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND REMOVE IT.

IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE WHEELS TO REMOVE IT.

SO ARE YOU STILL PUZZLED? YEAH.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

I HAVE, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION THEN WILL COME TO YOU, COMMISSIONER FOUR, AGUILA.

UH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

A A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IS, IS COMPLICATED AND IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO TRANSLATE THE, THE WRITTEN LANGUAGE ON, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCES THAT WE READ INTO THE PHYSICAL REALM.

WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE.

UH, SO I'M CURIOUS, YOU, I'M, I'M LISTENING THE WAY THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING WHAT THE APPLICANT IS INTENDING TO DO.

AND SO, UH, IS IT CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT YOU EXPLAINED WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS? YES, I DID.

AND, UH, HE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS? NO.

'CAUSE I ASKED ALL

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OF THEM.

THEY SAID THEY NEVER HEARD FROM HIM.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

AND FROM HEARSAY, UH, HE HAD SPOKE TO SOMEBODY IN THE HOA, WE DON'T HAVE AN HOA, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

AND I ASKED HIM, DID THEY RECEIVE ANYTHING? THEY SAID NO.

SO WHENEVER I FIND OUT THAT HE WAS TRYING TO DEVELOP SOMETHING, I WENT UP AND DOWN EACH ROW AND GAVE HIM, UH, INFORMATION AS TO WHAT WAS GOING ON AND GAVE HIM HIS INFORMATION AS WELL.

SO, YES, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IN WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, IT, THERE'S A COMMUNICATION PIECE WHERE WE, WE HAVE TO KIND OF TRANSLATE, OR THE APPLICANT HAS TO TRANSLATE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO FOLKS THAT DON'T SIT AROUND AND READ THIS STUFF LIKE WE DO EVERY TWO WEEKS.

AND USUALLY THAT HAPPENS IN A COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE EITHER THE COMMISSIONER OR SOMEONE ORGANIZES, UH, A TIME WHERE THE APPLICANT COMES IN AND PRESENTS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT I'M DOING.

YOU CAN ASK 'EM DETAILED QUESTIONS.

AND IN FACT, SOMETIMES EVEN SOMEONE CAN, STAFF CAN ATTEND A MEETING LIKE THAT, OR THEY CAN HELP IN THE TRANSLATION.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING THAT THIS HASN'T, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED IN THIS CASE YET? NO, UM, SINCE I WORK WITH THE COUNTY, THEN I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A MEETING.

SO WE HAVE ONE THIS COMING UP, UH, AT THE END OF THE MONTH.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW HE WANTED TO, UH, COME, SO JUST GOT OTHER SPEAKERS.

BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN PROBABLY SQUEEZE HIM IN THERE IF HE WANTS TO COME, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AT THE MOMENT.

SO, AND SINCE HE SAID HE WANTED A MONTH OUT, SO I FIGURED.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, PLEASE.

UH, MS. AGUILAR, IT, THERE'S A, A, A PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY, 1318 HENDRICKS.

AND, UH, IT'S A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

IT WAS BUILT WHEN, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

I'M SORRY, SAY IT AGAIN.

WAS IT, IT WAS BUILT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, IS THAT CORRECT? THINK IN 22, I BELIEVE.

RIGHT? YES.

'CAUSE MR. CAMERON YES.

GREER, WHO WE MET THE OTHER DAY, LIVES THERE.

THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED A TOWN HOME, IS IT? RIGHT, RIGHT.

NO, THAT, THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

YEAH, IT IS.

AND, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS LOT, THERE'S ANOTHER VACANT LOT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO I, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE OTHER CONCERN HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE IS ANOTHER VACANT LOT AND, AND, AND THEIR CONCERN WOULD BE IF WE ALLOW TH THREE IN ONE LOT, THAT IT WILL BE EASY ENOUGH THEN FOR ANOTHER DEVELOPER TO, TO, TO KEEP ON BUILDING TH THREE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR YES.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE NARROW.

THE, THE MIC PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER HALL, THE, THE MICROPHONE.

SORRY.

THESE ARE NARROW LOTS.

UM, I, I, I BELIEVE IF I'M CORRECT, THAT IT'S, UM, 30 FEET WIDE, BUT I'M NOT, I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THAT.

SO THEY'RE FAIRLY NARROW.

I BELIEVE THAT I, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK.

AND ROUGHLY HOW, HOW DEEP? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED AND, AND 30 IF I'M CORRECT.

SO IT'S FAIRLY DEEP PLUS.

AND THIS A PICTURE OF A LOT RIGHT THERE ON THE SCREEN IF WE OH, OKAY.

ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT AERIALS, UM, THAT I'M VERY CONFIDENT EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO HAVE TO, TO, UM, GO WITH NORMAL SINGLE FAMILY HEIGHT LIMITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, STILL HAVE PARKING IN THE BACK AND STILL HAVE A YARD FOR PEOPLE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT, AT THE, UM, JUST THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL, UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN TELL THAT, THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND AM I CORRECT, DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE TO BRING THE, UH, PARKING IN THE REAR? THE REAR, YES.

COMING IN THROUGH AN ALLEY? YEAH.

UH, NO.

UM, I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS PERHAPS A MISCOMMUNICATION.

'CAUSE THERE IS NO ALLEY IN THE BACK.

UM, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO IS, UH, SIMPLY HAVE THE, THE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE HOUSE, UM, WHICH IS TYPICAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S THE, SORT OF THE EXISTING PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, AND YOU CAN PUT TWO DRIVEWAYS AND A HOUSE ON 30 FEET, UH, 30 FEET DRIVE.

UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST DO ONE DRIVEWAY.

OH, OKAY.

AND, AND HAVE THE PARKING IN THE REAR.

AND THERE'S, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE AERIALS, THERE'D BE PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO THAT.

IMPACT WOULD BE IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR, UH, OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? I HAVE NO, UH, I, I, I, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TO HEAR FROM STAFF AS TO WHY THEY FELT THAT A TH THREE, UH, ZONING DESIGNATION WAS APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, REZONING AN R FIVE PROPERTY.

CERTAINLY, UH, IN TERMS OF THE APPROPRIATENESS, WHAT WE LOOKED AT HERE WAS WHAT THE GENERAL

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UH, IF WE WERE TO COMPARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE EXISTING R FIVE A TO THE TH THREE DISTRICT, SORRY, A REPORT PULLED UP HERE.

UH, THE SETBACKS WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR.

WHILE GENERALLY TH THREE DOES NOT HAVE A FRONT SETBACK, UH, THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT OF OUR CODE WOULD IMPOSE A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK JUST LIKE R FIVE.

UH, ADDITIONALLY FOR DUPLEX STRUCTURE, ARE YOU SAYING THE TH THREE HAS A 25 FOOT SETBACK? UH, IT HAD, IT WOULD BE A 20 FOOT FRONT FOOT, FRONT SETBACK.

UH, UH, I READ THE ZONING THE OTHER DAY, AND COULD YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG? I THOUGHT IT READ THAT THERE'S NO SET MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIRED.

THE STANDARD CODE FOR TH THREE IS THAT THERE IS NO FRONT SETBACK.

HOWEVER, THERE'S A BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT IN OUR, IN OUR CODE WHERE THE GREATER, THE GREATEST BLOCK FACE, SORRY, THE GREATEST FRONT SETBACK ON A BLOCK FACE IS WHAT APPLIES TO ALL PROPERTIES ON THAT BLOCK.

SO IN THIS CASE, THE GREATEST FRONT SETBACK IS 20 FEET, WHICH IS IMPOSED BY R FIVE.

THEREFORE, AT PERMITTING WHEN THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IT, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD LOOK AT IS, DO YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK HERE? UH, ADDITIONALLY THE SIDE SETBACKS WOULD BE, UM, EQUIVALENT TO THE EXISTING SIDE SETBACKS FOR SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, IN THE TH THREE DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE A FIVE FOOT SIDE SETBACK FOR THE DUPLEX AND A 10 FOOT REAR, UH, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE GREATER IN THE REAR COMPARED TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY WHERE SINGLE FAMILY CAN GO UP TO FIVE FEET AWAY.

UH, FOR A DUPLEX, IT WOULD'VE TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE REAR, AND THEN IT WOULD BE FIVE FEET, JUST LIKE EXISTING.

WHAT, WHAT COULD BE BUILT TODAY WITH R FIVE? UM, THE HEIGHT, IT IS A LITTLE TALLER, BUT WE FELT THAT GENERALLY, UH, AN INCREASE OF SIX FEET WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE MUCH OF AN IMPOSITION INTO THE AREA.

UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE VICINITY TO EXISTING, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS AROUND THERE, ONE OF THEM BEING THE CR DISTRICT OF THE NORTH.

UH, WHERE THERE IS A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL USES, UH, THERE'S THE PROXIMITY TO THE DART STATION WHERE ONE OF THE CITY'S CURRENT GOALS, THE LAND USE PLAN IS TO ENCOURAGE GENTLER DENSITY IN WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE DART.

UH, IT WOULD ALSO BE WORTH NOTING THAT THERE IS A TH THREE DISTRICT TO THE WEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.

UH, AND THERE IS ALSO AN MF TWO, A DISTRICT THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR IN THE NORTHERN AREA OF WHAT I ASSUME IS STILL PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT KIND OF THE FAR NORTHERN AREA.

IF YOU'LL JUST GIVE ME A MOMENT, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN AND SHOW THIS.

THAT SHOULD BE PULLED UP.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS OUR GIS MAP.

LET ME ENABLE THE ZONING LAYER JUST SO WE CAN SEE THE DISTRICTS.

UH, BUT THE SUBJECT SITE IS RIGHT HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS.

IT MIGHT BE HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT I'LL HIGHLIGHT IT HERE WITH THE TAX PARCEL.

AND THEN HERE IS THE MF TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, UH, WHICH AGAIN, THAT WAS APPROVED IN A CASE LAST YEAR, AND I BELIEVE HERE IS THE TH THREE DISTRICT, UH, WHICH WAS APPROVED A WHILE BACK.

I BELIEVE.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT TRANSITION ZONING ACTUALLY.

UH, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, THE REASON THAT WE FOUND IT APPROPRIATE WAS JUST THAT IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY LOW IMPACT IN TERMS OF CHANGE.

IT WOULD BE DENSER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

CERTAINLY, UH, IT ALLOWS, IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A DUPLEX WHERE YOU HAVE TWO DWELLING UNITS ON ONE LOT.

BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU COULD SAY IS THE SORT OF BUILT ENVIRONMENT OR THE AESTHETIC APPEARANCE, UH, NOT APPEARANCE PER SE, BUT IN TERMS OF HOW IT WOULD JUST FIT IN, UH, IT REALLY WOULD NOT BE TOO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT COULD ALREADY BE BUILT TODAY.

UM, IN FACT, LOOKING ON ALONG THAT BLOCK, THERE ARE TWO EXAMPLES OF HOUSES I SAW.

THIS WAS ON GOOGLE STREET VIEW.

UH, BUT THESE ARE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT ON R FIVE A, WHICH CERTAINLY DIFFER FROM THE EXISTING, UH, KIND OF THE MORE PREDOMINANT HOUSING STOCK, BUT WHICH CAN ALREADY BE BUILT TO, UH, EXISTING CODE WITH THE EXISTING, UH, R FIVE ENTITLEMENTS.

BUT BOTH OF THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

LIKE I SAID, THE CR TRACT IMMEDIATELY ABUTS, UH, THIS LOT, WHICH IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE CORNER OF DENLEY AND HENDRICKS, UH, THAN IT IS TO THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE TO THE EAST.

AND, UH, JUST TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MARTIN SAID, WHILE HE HAS HIS MAP PULLED UP, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT TH THREE A AND MF TWO A ZONING, UM, JUST NORTH OF THAT TH THREE, A ZONING TRACT, UH, THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED CR UM, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE AT 1311 HENDRICKS AVENUE, IT IMMEDIATELY ABUTS TO THE NORTH A VERY LARGE TRACT OF CR ZONING AS WELL.

SO THERE'S MORE THAN JUST R FIVE A ZONING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER? BLACK, BUT, BUT YOU WILL CONCEDE THAT THE AREA THAT YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ZONE FOR CR IS FACING A MAJOR ROAD.

AND NONE OF THOSE, UH, PROPERTIES ALONG THERE ARE, ARE SINGLE FAMILY.

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BUT, BUT THIS LOT IS NOT A CORNER LOT.

RIGHT? IT'S, IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK WHERE ALL THE HOMES ARE R FIVE, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.

AND THEN DIRECTLY NORTH OF THIS LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, IT'S OWN CR ON THE NORTHERN SIDE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU, THIS IS TH THREE AND NTH THREE, YOU, YOU CAN, WELL, IN ALL TOWNHOUSE DISTRICTS, YOU CAN ALSO BUILD A DUPLEX.

WE ALSO HAVE ZONING THAT IS SPECIFICALLY ZONED FOR DUPLEX.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE, THE CHOICE OF A VERY DENSE, UM, TH THREE OPPOSED TO A MORE MODERATE, UM, DUPLEX WAS CHOSEN? CERTAINLY.

ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT A REPL CASE, BUT, BUT THIS, THIS IS A ZONING CASE.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TH THREE VERSUS THE DUPLEX ZONING, UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT INITIALLY JUST BECAUSE AT FIRST BLUSH, DUPLEX CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE THE MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING IF YOU WANNA BUILD A DUPLEX.

UH, HOWEVER, THE MAIN CONSIDERATION IN NOT GOING WITH THE DUPLEX ZONING WAS THAT THE DUPLEX ZONING HAS A GREATER FRONT SETBACK REQUIREMENT THAN R FIVE A.

AND TO KIND OF REITERATE THIS, UH, CONCEPT OF THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE CODE, BY PUTTING IN A DUPLEX ZONING IN HERE, YOU WOULD NOW IMPOSE A 25 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, UH, ALL ALONG THAT BLOCK FACE.

FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEAR, THREE YEARS, IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY MAKE MUCH OF AN IMPACT BECAUSE THERE LIKELY WOULDN'T BE MUCH MORE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO REDEVELOP A HOUSE ON ONE OF THOSE LOTS ON THAT BLOCK FACE, THEY WOULD NOW BE REQUIRED TO PUT THAT HOUSE 25 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT, EVEN IF IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.

SO NOT ON THE DUPLEX LOT, BUT ON JUST ON ONE OF THE R FIVE A LOTS.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE DUPLEX LOT, OR SORRY, THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE TH THREE A DISTRICT, I BELIEVE THEY HAD THE SAME MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR DUPLEX.

UM, AND OTHERWISE THE SAME SORT OF SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY, UH, WHETHER IT WOULD BE THE DUPLEX ZONING DISTRICT OR THE TH THREE A DISTRICT.

AGAIN, THE TH THREE A DISTRICT HAS SOME DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE MINIMUM IN THE CODE FOR THAT DISTRICT, BUT THEN OTHER DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS SUCH AS THESE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OR THE BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY CONTROL OVER THAT RESULTING IN A DISTRICT THAT WOULD BY AND LARGE HAVE THE SAME, UH, DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS AS THE EXISTING R FIVE.

IF I MAY, THEN CAN YOU ANSWER FOR, UH, FOR US, WHY NOT TH ONE OPPOSED TO T OR TH TWO OPPOSED TO TH THREE? UH, I BELIEVE THAT WITH TH ONE OR TWO, THE DWELLING UNIT OR THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE ONEROUS.

I CAN PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK TO DOUBLE CHECK.

UM, BUT TH THREE SEEMED MOST APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE LOT.

AND AGAIN, TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT, UM, THE REASON THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TH THREE RATHER THAN ONE OR TWO IS BECAUSE OF THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY STANDARD IN THE TH DISTRICTS.

UM, THE WAY THAT WORKS OUT IS THAT WITH A TH THREE A DISTRICT, UM, ALTHOUGH THE TRUE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ONLY 2000 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHAT THAT MEANS WITH A DWELLING UNIT DENSITY RESTRICTION IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ABOUT 3,600 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT.

UM, SO A TH ONE OR A TH TWO MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THAT.

THEREFORE, YOU COULDN'T HAVE, UH, MORE THAN ONE UNIT EVEN UNDER THAT TH ONE OR TH TWO ZONING.

WHEN YOU SAY MORE THAN ONE UNIT, ARE YOU SAYING MORE THAN ONE DWELLING UNIT? YES.

OR SO YOU WOULD HAVE A TH ONE THAT WOULD ONLY ALLOW A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE? CORRECT.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, ADDITIONAL RESTRICTION THAT GOES BEYOND JUST THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN THE TH DISTRICTS.

BUT THEN DOESN'T A TH THREE SAY THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME ALONG AND BUY OUT THE LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OR, AND THEN REPL IT TO ALAR TO, UH, A, UH, TO A, UM, ACRE OR, OR SO, THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD IN THOSE 12, UH, UM, TOWNHOUSES ROAD, UH, SIDE BY SIDE POTENTIALLY, BUT IN ADDITION TO A RE PLATTING CASE THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A REZONING CASE.

AND AS A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO EVERYBODY, ALTHOUGH CPC ONLY HAS QUASI-JUDICIAL AUTHORITY OVER PLATTING CASES, THEY DO HAVE FULL DISCRETION OVER ZONING CASES.

BUT, UH, AND WITH THIS CA, WITH THIS, UM, TRACT OF LAND BEING BACKED UP TO CR THEN, THEN THE REPL,

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YOU GOT IT.

YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T STEP ON ANYTHING, GET YOUR HAND UP THE BAG , UM, THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT, AT SOME OTHER, UH, UH, COMPARISONS IN REPLANTING OPPOSED TO REZONING, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THEN, UH, JUST SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, STAY ON SCRIPT, UM, THE ONLY, UH, PROPERTY THAT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH THIS PARTICULAR ITEM BEFORE THE BODY TODAY IS JUST 1311 HENDRICKS, JUST THIS ONE LOT.

IF ANY OF THE OTHER LOTS ADJACENT TO THIS ON THE EAST OR THE WEST SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS BLOCK, UH, NEEDED TO BE REZONED BECAUSE OF THIS HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO THAT REZONING WOULD ALSO COME BEFORE THIS BODY.

IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS OF STAFF? SEE NONE.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? CAN I ASK CHAIRMAN SHAIDE IF, UH, OF COURSE, IF THERE'S A, ANOTHER RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO'S ON THE WAY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ISSUE? IF, IF, CAN I ASK IF THAT PERSON'S HERE TO SPEAK ON IT BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION? WHY NOT? THANK YOU.

IS CAMERON GREER IF YOU ARRIVED YET? OKAY.

WELL, HE SAID HE IS ON THE WAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET A MOTION.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.

PLEASE.

UH, CHAIRMAN SHAIDE IN, IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 2 3 DASH 300, I MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY THE, UH, STAFF REQUEST, UH, WITH PREJUDICE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

YES, TO ME, CHAIRMAN SHAIDE, THIS CASE IS PRIMA FASCIA AS TO WHY FORD DALLAS HAS A PROBLEM IN THE, WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, BECAUSE THERE'S A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW INFILLED DEVELOPMENT AND SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WITH DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES AND UP TO NINE UNITS AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

AND, AND IN THIS CASE, YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE, THE COMMUNITY YOU'VE HEARD FROM, UH, MS. AGUILERA, WHO IS THE COMMUNITY PRESIDENT.

I WAS ABLE TO GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND VISIT IT THE OTHER DAY, AND I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO MR. CAMERON GREER, WHO WAS ON HIS WAY TO SPEAK HERE TODAY, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE AS WELL.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORS WANT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BRING, MAKE, BE, BE RETAINED AS AN R FIVE, UH, ZONING.

THEY WANT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME HERE.

THERE WAS A PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, 1318 HENDRICKS, THAT WAS A VACANT LOT TWO YEARS AGO.

AND, AND THE, AND THE BUILDER BUILT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE.

UH, YOU SHOWED THE PICTURE OF IT EARLIER.

UH, AND THAT'S THE HOME THAT CAMERON GREER LIVES IN TODAY.

UH, THERE'S ANOTHER HOME THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET THAT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND RATHER THAN TEARING IT DOWN, THEY RENOVATED IT RECENTLY.

SO THERE IS INVESTMENT THERE, THERE IS A VACANT LOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS.

AND THE CONCERN THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE IS IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO BE TH THREE, THEN IT'S GONNA BE EASIER THE NEXT TIME TO ALLOW THE NEXT VACANT LOT TO BECOME TH THREE.

WHEN YOU DRIVE OUT THERE, THERE'S A ROW OF ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THAT STREET AND ALL THE STREETS NEARBY.

AND SO, UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE NEED TO RESPECT THE WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE NEED TO RETAIN THE STRUCTURAL, THE INTEGRITY OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THIS IS AN R FIVE ZONING, AND IT SHOULD BE RETAINED AS R FIVE ZONING.

AND, UH, I, I DO RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO, UH, ADHERE TO THE WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEEP THIS ZONED AS R FIVE, AND ALLOW AND ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNER, TO BUILD AN R FIVE OR SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROPERTY HERE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, CAN I, CAN I MAKE A FRIENDLY, UH, UM, AMENDMENT TO YOUR, UM, A FRIENDLY CHANGE TO YOUR AMENDMENT, TO YOUR, I MEAN, YOUR, YOU GET IT? MOTION.

MOTION, THANK YOU.

UM, INSTEAD OF DENYING IT WITH PREJUDICE, COULD YOU DO, WOULD YOU CONSIDER DOING IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE? AND JUST, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO IT WITH PREJUDICE, NO ONE CAN COME IN AND DO ANYTHING FOR TWO YEARS WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THEN YOU HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

UH, LORI, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MAYBE, UH, SOME DISCUSSION FROM OTHER MEMBERS.

I, I, I I APPRECIATE THAT.

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UH, I I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I, I FEEL THAT THIS, THE, THE SITUATION THAT EXISTS TODAY IS GONNA EXIST TWO YEARS FROM TODAY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND THESE NEIGHBORS WANT TO KEEP, UH, THIS AS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, AND I WANT TO, UH, GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY.

MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN JUST BRIEFLY, COMMISSIONER FORT SIGHT, COMMISSIONER BLAIR MADE, UH, OFFERED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

I, I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT OR IF COMMISSIONER BLAIR SHOULD MOVE TO AMEND THE, UH, YOUR MOTION.

YOU CAN JUST, YOU CAN JUST DECLINE OR AGREE TO IT, EITHER ONE, AND THEN SHE CAN EITHER TAKE THE DECLINE AND, AND MAKE A, A, HER MOTION.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

IT COULD, DID I DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE? OKAY.

FOR I ACCEPT, UH, LORI BLAIR'S MOTION, COMMISSIONER OPEL'S MOTION, HER, HER AMENDMENT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO I NEED TO SECOND THAT OR WE ARE ROLLING? NO, HE'S ACCEPTED IT.

SO, UM, I SECONDED THE ORIGINAL MOTION, AND, UM, SORT OF FOR THE SAME REASONS.

UM, I THINK GOING FROM R FIVE TO TH THREE IS A BIT MUCH, UM, IF IT WAS R SEVEN FIVE, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE HAD A DIFFERENT CONSIDERATION.

UM, BUT, UH, THE MAIN REASONS WHY, UM, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, ALONG WITH THE HUGE JUMP, UM, IS WHY I, I SECONDED THE MOTION.

I DO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT.

LAST CHAIR, RUBIN, FOLLOW THAT.

AREA THAT ARE RECEIVING VARIED HOUSING TYPES THAT THIS LOCATION TODAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M PERSUADED THAT A CHANGE IN THE ZONING IS, IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE GREATER COMMUNITY AND WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

YEAH, I'M NOT GOING TO, UNFORTUNATELY BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, TO DENY IT.

AND THIS IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE ULTIMATE MERITS OF THE CASE, WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO HAS A DESIRE TO HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND HAVE FURTHER DIALOGUE WITH THIS COMMUNITY TO, UM, BETTER EXPLAIN THEIR CASE AND POSSIBLY SEE IF, WHAT IF THIS WILL WORK THROUGH DEED RESTRICTIONS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE THE APPLICANT HAD SOME CHALLENGES CONNECTING WITH THE COMMUNITY BEFORE I BRIEFLY DEALT WITH THIS CASE WHILE THE D FOUR CASE, UH, SEAT WAS VACANT.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT MR. DSKY MAYBE WASN'T, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME CHALLENGES CONNECTING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY AND THE APPLICANT AND A NEW COMMISSIONER HERE AT THE TABLE, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE IN EVERYONE SITTING DOWN AT A COMMUNITY MEETING AND DISCUSSING THIS TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THERE ARE OR ARE NOT WAYS FOR, UM, THESE CONCERNS TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH DEED RESTRICTIONS.

AS MR. GANSKY ALLUDED TO, I'M NOT CERTAIN IF THE ANSWER IS YES OR NO, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR, SHOOT, FIVE YEARS NOW, AND WHILE I DON'T THINK A COMMUNITY MEETING IS NECESSARILY CRITICAL IN EVERY CASE, A LOT OF THE TIME IT GOES A LONG WAY WHEN A COMMISSIONER, THE COMMUNITY AND THE APPLICANT SIT DOWN FACE TO FACE AND DISCUSS THINGS AS OPPOSED TO DEALING WITH THE OVER EMAIL.

AND TO THAT END, I DON'T REMEMBER US EVER DENYING A CASE IN MY FIVE YEARS HERE WHERE AN APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL TIME TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS STILL QUESTIONS OPEN ON THE MERITS OF THIS ONE, WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE UP AFTER THIS COMMUNITY MEETING OCCURS.

BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE PROCESS THAT, THAT WE ALL, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY FOLLOW HERE TO ALLOW THIS COMMUNITY MEETING TO, TO TAKE PLACE AND NOT SORT OF SHORT CIRCUIT IT BY DENYING IT TODAY.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? BASED ON THE TESTIMONY BEFORE US, I'VE, I FEEL LIKE THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.

IT WAS PERHAPS NOT IN A MEETING FORMAT.

THERE MAY BE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT COME OUT OF THIS, BUT I THINK HEARING THE DISCUSSION TODAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS OCCURRING UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING.

THAT THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT NOW.

UM, I THINK MANY TIMES WE, UM, SPEAK ABOUT AREAS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR REINVESTMENT AND, AND AREN'T HAVING IT, AND AS A WAY OF, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THAT WE NEED DIVERSITY IN OUR HOUSING STOCK.

BUT WHEN WE HAVE A STABLE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING AS WAS HIGHLIGHTED BY STAFF.

THERE ARE OTHER POCKETS IN THE BROADER

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COMMISSIONER BLAIR, HONOR, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION AS WELL.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVERY DEVELOPER HAS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO DOOR TO DOOR.

I KNOW I'VE HAD DEVELOPERS DO THAT IN CASES THAT I HAVE HAD, AND YES, I'M A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

I DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL JOB LIKE MOST OF YOU GUYS DO.

I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BEHIND THEM AND CHECK THAT'S, THAT THIS, THIS IS WHAT I DO.

UM, AND I DO DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

I, I LIKE UN UNLIKE ALL OF YOU GUYS, I LIKE TO SET UP ALL OF MY COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE ARE SITTING AT THE TABLE TO DISCUSS EACH CASE.

UM, WHEN I LOOK AT EACH CASE, I LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES, WHAT HAS HAPPENED, HOW LONG THIS CASE HAS BEEN OPEN, HAS THE, HAS THE COMMUNITY SPOKEN, THIS COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN THROUGH THROUGH MS. AGUILAR.

UM, AND IF I SAID IT WRONG, I APOLOGIZE.

I, I'M, I'M HORRIBLE WITH NAMES.

UM, I HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT'S MUCH LIKE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMUNITIES.

IN FACT, ONE OF THE MEMBERS ARE HERE THAT IF YOU TALK TO THE HEAD, YOU'VE TALKED TO THE WHOLE ENTIRE BODY.

AND WE DO HAVE COMMUNITIES IN, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IF YOU TALK TO THE HEAD, YOU HAVE TALKED TO THE WHOLE ENTIRE BODY.

UM, JUST LIKE SOME OF YOUR LARGER PDS THAT SOME OF US ALSO HAVE.

UM, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE INFIELD DESIRES.

THIS IS NOT ON A, UM, DART RAILWAY.

THIS IS NOT IN A URBAN CORRIDOR.

THIS IS IN A SINGLE FAMILY.

THERE, THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO DART THERE, THERE'S NO RAIL STATION NEAR WITHIN A MILE.

UM, THERE WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THIS, IN, IN, IN THE SOUTHERN AREA OF DALLAS.

UM, I WISH WE DID.

CAN YOU WALK TO IT? YOU CAN.

WELL, I APOLOGIZE.

I I STAND CORRECTED.

UM, BUT THIS IS STILL A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY ONE STORY, AND THEY ARE REDEVELOPING WITH SINGLE FAMILY.

ONE STORY.

YOU DO HAVE A QUARTER THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY CHANGED TO TOWNHOUSES, AND YOU HAVE A QUARTER THAT'S, THAT'S MULTIFAMILY, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A AREA THAT WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY.

SO I I I, I HEAR COMMUNITIES, WHEN COMMUNITIES SPEAK AND 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IN OUR AREAS, THEY SPEAK LOUDLY THROUGH ONE PERSON, RIGHT? THEY SPEAK VERY LOUD THROUGH ONE PERSON.

UH, SHE'S, I GOT ONE, ONE OF MY LOUDEST PEOPLE ARE RIGHT THERE.

SHE'S WATCHING ME AND SHE'S GONNA GO BACK AND TELL PEOPLE WHAT I DID AND WHAT I SAID, .

AND, UM, SO I HEAR THEM AND I RE AND I RESPECT THEM WHEN THEY SAID, THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT.

AND IT'S REDEVELOPING ON ITS OWN, I DON'T REALLY SEE A NEED TO PUT ALTERNATIVE TYPES OF HOUSING STOCK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

COMMISSIONER KING SAID, WELL, I SHARE A LOT OF THE SAME SENTIMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON SAID, SO I WON'T REPEAT HIM, BUT I WILL NOTE THAT WE ALREADY HELD THIS CASE ONCE.

AND SO THIS DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, DIDN'T.

AND SO, WHILE I MIGHT ORDINARILY BE INCLINED TO GIVE SOMEONE THAT OPPORTUNITY, THAT OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN HAD AND SQUANDERED AND DALLAS LAGS BEHIND OTHER CITIES IN SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP.

AND WHILE I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE OF ALTERNATIVE TYPES OF HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER IT BE COTTAGE COURT OR DUPLEX OR CONDOMINIUM, AND I THINK THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT IN A LOT OF PARTS OF OUR CITY.

IF WE HAVE A STABLE SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY

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AND LIKE, UM, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, I, THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I HAVE WITH FORWARD DALLAS.

UM, AND WHAT FOR DALLAS PROPOSES TO DO TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS OUR CITY.

AND SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? I SEE COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

I SEE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.

CAN'T RESIST.

I'VE, I'VE, UH, SUPPORTED MANY CASES LIKE THIS, UM, HERE IN THE PAST MONTHS.

I THINK THIS IS JUST, UM, EVIDENCE THAT OUR, OUR ZONING HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS JUST DOES NOT WORK.

UH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE NO, WE, WE HAVE NO REALLY SUBJECT, NO OBJECTIVE STANDARD AROUND WHICH TO DO INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S, EVERYONE'S JUST A SUBJECTIVE CALL, JUST LIKE THIS ONE.

AND, UH, THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

IT'S NOT GOOD FOR US.

UH, I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THE OBSERVATIONS THAT THERE IS REDEVELOPMENT GOING ON ON THIS STREET.

I MADE THAT OBSERVATION TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON A FEW MINUTES AGO.

BUT THE FACT IS, IF YOU, IF YOU STUDY, UM, GOOGLE THIS, THIS LOT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR AT LEAST 25 YEARS.

AND AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT, IT'S TIME FOR, UH, FOR SOMETHING NEW.

SO, UH, I I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.

WELL, I I'LL ALSO NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION RESPECTFULLY AND, UH, WELL, SETTING ASIDE THE MERITS OF THE CASE, I'M, I'M FRANKLY JUST STUCK ON THE, THE COMMUNITY MEETING PIECE.

UH, I THINK COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S RIGHT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE DESCRIBED THE WAY SHE HANDLES HER CASES, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M USING THE WORD, THE WAY SHE HANDLES HER CASES.

UH, I THINK PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE JOB DESCRIPTION FOR SITTING AROUND THIS HORSESHOE IS TO PUT THE COMMUNITY MEETING TOGETHER TO ASK THE APPLICANT, HAVE YOU MET WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY? WHEN ARE WE DOING IT? HOW ARE WE DOING IT? DID YOU NOTICE THE NEIGHBORS? DID YOU REACH OUT? DID YOU KNOCK DOOR TO DOOR? UH, THAT IS FRANKLY PART OF WHAT WE DO, UH, EVERY TWO WEEKS.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING HERE IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ON A, ON A PREVIOUS CASE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE KIND OF LANDED ON SPEAKING TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, WAS CONSIDERED A COMMUNITY MEETING.

AND TODAY I'M HEARING, SPEAKING TO ONE PERSON IS CONSIDERED A, A COMMUNITY MEETING.

UH, SO I'M, I'M HAVING TROUBLE KIND OF PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER.

UH, AS, AS WE'VE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, DIFFERENT BODIES HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES.

AND, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEETING FOR THIS ONE AND THE BODY BEFORE THIS ONE WAS, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING SOMETIMES.

AND SO I'M, I'M, I'M CONFLICTED OBVIOUSLY, THAT WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE THINK ABOUT IS HIS ASK HERE IS SAYING, HEY, I, I WANT TO MEET WITH THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE TO EXPLAIN WHAT I'M DOING, UH, BECAUSE RIGHTLY THEY HAVE A, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND I WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.

HAVING THAT COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEN INVITING YOU ALL BACK TO SEE WHAT, WHAT YOU, MS. AGUILAR AND YOUR NEIGHBORS, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

YOU STILL MAY NOT LIKE IT, AND THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

UH, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST KIND OF A, A STRANGE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN HERE WHERE WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING, NO, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND SO WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CAN I MAKE ONE FINAL COMMENT? PLEASE, PLEASE, OF COURSE.

A VERY NARROW LOT BUILDING A, A, A, A, A DUPLEX UNIT AND, AND, AND, AND EXPECTING THERE HAVE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, EVEN ROOM FOR, UH, A DRIVEWAY IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THE LOT IS WHAT, NO MORE THAN 50 FEET WIDE, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, AND THERE'S ALREADY A BAD PARKING PROBLEM IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

I I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CASE, AS MR. ADAMOWSKI JUST INDICATED, HAS BEEN OPEN SINCE MAY.

SO HE'S HAD PLENTY OF TIME FOR A, FOR A COMMUNITY MEETING.

AND PLUS THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, AND WE HEARD THE, THE DETAILS OF THE CASE AT THE, ON THE LA ON ON FEBRUARY 15TH.

AND, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, WE PUT IT OFF TODAY BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS GRACIOUS IN GIVING ME A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO, TO, UH, TO GET A LAY OF THE LAND HERE.

UM, BUT I, I, I ALSO WANNA REITERATE A POINT THAT LORI MADE, WHICH IS THAT MS. AGUILAR IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

AND, AND I WAS PRESIDENT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR SIX YEARS.

AND, AND SO, YES, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU SERVE IN THAT ROLE, YOU DO, UH, REPRESENT ALL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND YOU DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.

AND MS. AGUILERA HAS, UH, UH, HAVE TO POINT OUT AND RE UH, REMIND EVERYONE.

SHE'S GONE DOOR TO DOOR, SHE'S TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY ALL WANT THIS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S BUILT HERE.

AND, UH, AS WAS POINTED OUT, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS BUILT ACROSS THE STREET JUST TWO YEARS AGO.

SO YOU CAN BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME HERE, AND THIS IS

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WHEN I WENT THERE ON TUESDAY AND TO, TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS, I, I COULD BARELY GET ONTO THE STREET BECAUSE THERE WAS CARS ON BOTH SIDES, YOU KNOW, UH, 1, 1, 1 OF THE HOMES THERE AT THE END OF THE STREET, THEY HAD LIKE FIVE OR SIX CARS, UH, ALL PARKED IN THE YARD.

SO, I MEAN, THE BIGGEST THING I HEARD THE OTHER DAY WAS, WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM HERE.

AND, AND IF YOU, YOU BUILD A, A, A DUPLEX HERE, UH, WITH A MULTIFAMILY, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE ADDING TO THAT PARKING PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I, I, I REALLY URGE EVERYONE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS, THIS HOUSE IS IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, IT'S NOT ON THE CORNER.

AND, AND, AND IT REALLY, WE SHOULD KEEP THIS IN NEIGHBORHOOD INTACT AS AN R FIVE.

IF WE ALLOW THIS TO BE TH THREE, THEN THE NEXT DEVELOPER WILL WANNA BUY A LOT AND, AND, AND, AND MAKE IT TH THREE.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'LL BE HAVING SEVERAL, UH, TWO STORY DUPLEX UNITS THAT ALL THESE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HAVING TO KIND OF LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IN ONE STORY HOMES.

SO PLEASE RESPECT THE NA NEEDS AND THE WANTS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND KEEP THIS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD INTACT.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON SIX, FIVE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, HAVE A RECORD VOTE.

DISTRICT ONE, YOU SAID NATE DISTRICT TWO? YES.

DISTRICT SEVEN VACANT.

I'M SORRY, ABSENT DISTRICT EIGHT? YES.

DISTRICT NINE? NO.

DISTRICT 10? NO.

DISTRICT 11 VACANT.

DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT 13.

MOTION FAILS IT FAIL.

MOTION FAILS.

I GET ADDITIONAL MOTION.

HOW DID IT FAIL? DID 12.

I GET ANOTHER MOTION.

ANOTHER 12 VOTE.

AND LEAVE THE MAY.

LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IN THE MATTER OF TWO Z.

2 2 3 DASH THREE.

I MOVE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY THE SECOND.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL MAY 2ND.

ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BLA IN THE, IN THIS INTERIM TIME, MR. UM, ADE RODSKY? OKAY.

I, I'M HORRIBLE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

YOU'RE FINE.

UM, I SINCERELY HOPE THAT THE, THAT YOU REACH OUT CHILD THROUGH, UM, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT IT, THAT IS INCLUSIVE OF ALL THAT WOULD LIKE TO SHOW UP THAT'S SURROUNDING THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AND THAT, UM, YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, YOU ARE AWARDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND TO HEAR THEM OUT COMPLETELY.

I ALSO WANNA ENCOURAGE THAT MANY TIMES AS WE CONSIDER THIS, AS YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND MR. DEMSKY, I KNOW YOU'VE, UM, WE'VE SEEN YOU BEFORE, UM, IN UM, CASES IN MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW HOW TO BE CREATIVE, CREATIVE, YOU KNOW HOW TO THINK ABOUT HOW PROJECTS MIGHT INTEGRATE BETTER.

I THINK WE HAVE OTHER TOOLS THAT ARE PERHAPS NOT PRESENTED BEFORE US TODAY THAT CAN BE AVAILABLE.

BUT MS. AGUILAR, I WANNA ALSO RECOGNIZE YOU AND THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU AND YOUR COMMUNITY TO COME BACK DOWN HERE AGAIN AND THE TIME AND THE TIME THAT IT TAKES AWAY FROM YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR ENGAGEMENT IN THIS PROCESS AND WE HOPE THAT THIS COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, WILL HELP PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DIALOGUE AND SEE IF THERE IS A RESOLUTION HERE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OH, PARDON ME.

PARDON ME.

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COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

SORRY.

DIDN'T SEE.

UM, I THANK YOU GUYS FOR MAKING THE COMMENTS TO THE DEVELOPER AND FOR YOU FOR FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THOSE COMMENTS.

THIS IS DISTRICT FOUR, A DISTRICT THAT'S VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, THAT'S BEEN UNDERSERVED FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.

UM, THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DO NOT FAVOR COMING DOWN TO CITY HALL, UM, BECAUSE HISTORICALLY THEY'VE BEEN ATTACKED FOR USING THEIR VOICE.

FOR MS. AGUILAR TO COME TAKE THE DAGGER IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS A HUGE, HUGE COMPLIMENT TO WHO SHE IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHE REPRESENTS.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, PLEASE ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK, WHETHER IN FAVOR OR AGAINST, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT WE HEAR FROM THEM AND KNOW THAT IF THEY HAVE TROUBLE AND NEED US TO BACK THEM UP IN ANY WAY AFTER THEY LEAVE THIS HORSESHOE, WE'LL BE THERE TO BACK THEM UP AS WELL.

SO, THANK YOU.

VERY WELL SET.

VICE CHAIR RUBEN, I, COMMISSIONER HERBERT RAISES AN IMPORTANT POINT.

DO, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD SPANISH TRANSLATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON THIS ITEM SINCE, SINCE HE MENTIONED THE DEMOGRA, NOT FOR YOU, BUT FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR COMMUNITY? OH, PROBABLY.

MS. UH, AGUILAR, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT WE WILL TRA THAT WE DO HAVE TRANSLATIONS AVAILABLE NOT ONLY ON THIS HORSESHOE, UM, AND THOSE THAT ARE SITTING ON THIS HORSESHOE, BUT WE CAN GET SOMEONE WHO, WHO DOES SPEAK SPANISH AND WHO WILL TRANSLATE FOR THEM.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ONE IN OPPOSITION.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SECOND, UH, WE GO TO CASE

[12. 24-955 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a child-care facility on property zoned Tract 2H within Planned Development District No. 388, the Tenth Street Neighborhood Historic District, with H/60 Tenth Street Neighborhood Historic District Overlay, on the northeast corner of South Fleming Avenue and East Clarendon Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Jessica Gonzales Representative: Elsie Thurman, Land Use Planning & Zoning Services Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: January 18, 2024 and February 15, 2024. Council District: 4 Z223-308(LC)]

NUMBER 12.

HOW ARE YOU, SIR? GOOD, GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 12, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 8.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY ON PROPERTIES ZONE TRACK TWO H WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 88, THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH H 60 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH FLEMING AVENUE AND EAST CLAREDON DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPRO APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

MR. CLINTON.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, CHELSEA THURMAN, 94 0 6 SPCA BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 8.

UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT ONLINE, I KNOW WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

AND, UM, WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU WILL, UH, FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

YEP.

WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE.

HI.

I HEARD SOMEONE.

IS THAT MS. THURMAN OR MS. GONZALEZ? THIS IS JESSICA.

OKAY, MS. GONZALEZ.

AND THE ECOSYSTEM THAT SUSTAINS US.

HI, MY NAME IS JESSICA GONZALEZ.

MY ADDRESS IS 36 19 RIDGE BOULEVARD IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

7 5 2 3 3.

UM, TODAY I COME BEFORE YOU, JUST NOT AS AN ADVOCATE FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, BUT AS A TESTAMENT TO THE TRANSFORMATION POWER IT HOLDS, UM, WE HAVE EAGER, REALLY AWAITED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR VISION FOR A NEW CHAPTER IN DALLAS EDUCATIONAL LANDSCAPE.

DALLAS HAS RECENTLY, RECENTLY SHOWN COMMENDABLE FORESIGHT AND SUPPORT FOR CHILDCARE FACILITIES THROUGH THE PASSAGE OF NEW ORDINANCES, RECOGNIZING THE CRI, THE CRITICAL NEED FOR QUALITY EDUCATION FOR OUR YOUNGEST CITIZENS.

THIS INITIATIVE IS JUST NOT POLICY.

IT'S A BEACON OF HOPE FOR COUNTLESS FAMILIES ILLUMINATING A PATH TO A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

UM, AT OUR SCHOOL, WE MERELY DO NOT TEACH.

WE INSPIRE.

OUR DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM IS CAREFULLY AND DESIGNED TO FOSTER BOTH ACADEMIC PROUDNESS AND SOCIAL EMOTIONAL GROWTH.

BUT WE GO BEYOND CONVENTIONAL, INTEGRATING A NATURE CURRICULUM THAT INTRODUCES OUR STUDENTS TO THE WONDERS OF FARMING, SUSTAINABILITY

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WE'RE NOT JUST SETTING THE BAR HIGH FOR QUALITY EDUCATION, WE WE'RE DEFINING IT, OFFERING FAMILIES THE CHOICES AND THE QUALITY THEY CAN TRUST.

OUR COMMITMENT EXTENDS BEYOND EDUCATION.

WE RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF OUR LOCATION.

ITS RICH HISTORY IN THE COMMUNITY, IT SUPPORTS OUR MISSION IS ROOTED IN INCLUSIVITY, DIVERSITY, AND PROVIDING CHILDREN SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 35 ADVANTAGES IN THEIR EDUCATIONAL JOURNEY.

EDUCATION IS JUST NOT MY PROFESSION.

IT IS MY PASSION.

AS THE FOUNDER, DIRECTOR, AND LEAD TEACHER OF OUR SCHOOL, I POUR MY HEART AND SOUL INTO THIS ENDEAVOR.

WE'RE POISED TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT NOT ONLY ON THE LIVES OF THE CHILDREN WE TEACH, BUT IN THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

IN CONCLUSION, I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COMMISSION TO GRANT US A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR OUR CHILDCARE FACILITY.

YOUR SUPPORT WILL NOT JUST VALIDATE OUR EFFORTS, BUT WILL ALSO PAVE THE WAY FOR A NEW GENERATION OF LEARNERS, LEADERS, THINKERS.

TOGETHER WE CAN TRANSFORM THE PROMISE OF EDUCATION INTO REALITY, NURTURING THE MINDS THAT WILL SHAPE TOMORROW.

THANK YOU ALL FOR CONSIDERING OSO AND FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE FUTURE OF DALLAS.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I SEE MS. THURMAN ALL NIGHT CHAIR.

I'M JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.

UH, IS MR. GONZALEZ LIVE? NO, I AM.

I'M HERE.

OH, YES.

YOU HAVE TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.

HE DOES .

IT'S A FREQUENT FLYER THERE.

YEAH, I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH WHERE MY CAMERA IS.

IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE TOGGLE BUTTON THERE AT THE BOTTOM.

OH, NOW I, I SEE MY NAME NOW I SEE THE MIC IS ON, BUT IT DOES NOT GIMME THE TOGGLE FOR A CAMERA.

THERE SHOULD BE A MUTE AND THEN NEXT TO IT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SHARED VIDEO.

OH, I'M ON MY PHONE.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHY.

UM, THERE'S ONLY A LITTLE MIC, A LITTLE GREEN MIC ON THERE.

IT'S NOT GIVING ME ANYTHING ELSE.

CHANGE AUDIO CONNECTION.

WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU KEEP TRYING MR. GONZALEZ? WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO.

NO WORRIES.

UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS WHILE WE DO.

SO, UH, MR. GONZALEZ, KEEP TRYING YOUR CAMERA COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT HAVE QUESTION? I DO.

I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

WE'RE GONNA GO TO, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FIRST.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE AND I WILL APOLOGIZE.

I WAS TRYING TO CHECK MY NOTES.

I KNOW THIS ISN'T IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, HAVE WE CONFIRMED THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A PRELIMINARY REVIEW WITH, UH, LANDMARK STAFF? YES.

SO THAT IS CONFIRMED.

THE, UH, APPLICANT DID, UH, TAKE THE TIME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND YEAH.

AND I WILL APOLOGIZE.

I SHOULD HAVE ASKED, DURING, DURING OUR, UM, APPLICANT QUESTION TIMES, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ANY SITE PLAN THAT WE CONSIDER WOULDN'T CREATE A FUTURE ISSUE AS YOU GO THROUGH LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS GONE THROUGH TASK FORCE AND EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED AND THEY HAD NO ISSUE.

SHE SET FOR LANDMARK ON APRIL 1ST, AND, UM, SAVED FOR A MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO, FROM A WOODEN FENCE TO A CHAIN LINK FOR CHILD SAFETY.

EVERYTHING WAS FINE.

AND SO, MR. FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THIS SITE PLAN WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED IN LANDMARK? THAT'S CORRECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE GO TO A MOTION? COMMISSIONER FORAY, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.

UH, CHAIRMAN SHAIDE, IN THE CASE OF Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 8, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF IN THIS CASE.

COMMISSIONER FORESITE, PLEASE, SIR.

COMMISSIONER FORESE FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, HAMPTON, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

I, I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN OVERWHELMING.

I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, ALMOST

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TWO DOZEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR WHAT MS. GONZALEZ IS DOING, UH, WITH THIS, UH, CHILDCARE FACILITY IN, UH, ALASKA ALITA SCHOOL.

AND I THINK THAT SHE'S TO BE COMMENDED FOR THIS.

AND, UH, I I I'M JUST TICKLED TO SEE THAT THE, UH, THIS IS OLD 100, UH, 100 PLUS YEAR OLD CHURCH WILL BE SALVAGED AND, UH, WILL BE, UH, UH, MADE INTO THIS CHILDCARE FACILITY.

I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, ACTUALLY SACRIFICED, UH, IN TERMS OF THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FOR THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, BY SELLING IT TO MS. GONZALEZ.

AND IT JUST, THIS REALLY SHOWS, UH, HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT A, A TREMENDOUS THING THAT THIS IS, THAT THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS, IS BEING DEVELOPED AS A CHILDCARE FACILITY.

AND I HOPE EVERYONE WILL, WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, BLESS, UH, COMMISSIONERS IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 3 0 3.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT SECONDED BY 3 0 8, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER UH, HAMPTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FALSE TIME OF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR A A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AND, UH, INTO CASE NUMBER 13.

AND THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

UH, COMMISSIONERS IT IS 2 22.

LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

EIGHT.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD

[13. 24-956 An application for a Specific Use Permit for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern and a commercial amusement (inside) limited to a dance hall on property zoned an FWMU-3-SH Walkable Urban Mixed Use Form Subdistrict with a Shopfront Overlay within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the northeast line of Botham Jean Boulevard, southeast of South Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Hold under advisement to April 4, 2024. Applicant: Cee Gilmore Planner: Giahanna Bridges U/A From: February 15, 2024. Council District: 7 Z234-101(GB)]

2 47 PLEASE.

ITEM 11 IS Z 2 3 4 1 0 1.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, LIMITED TO A DANCEHALL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN FWMU THREE SH WALKABLE MIXED USE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITH THE SHOP FRONT OVERLAY WITHIN PD 5 95.

THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF BOHAM.

JOHN BOULEVARD, SOUTHEAST OF SOUTH BOULEVARD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS IS TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL APRIL 4TH, 2024.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.

COMMISSIONER ROOM, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.

MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 0 1, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL APRIL 4TH, 2024.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? AND NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

NUMBER 14.

[14. 24-957 An application for a for a new subarea on property zoned Tract III within Planned Development District No. 314, the Preston Center Special Purpose District, in an area bounded by Luther Lane, Westchester Drive, Berkshire Lane, and Douglas Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a development plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Alpine Douglas, LP Representative: Suzan Kedron, Jackson Walker LLP Planner: Michael Pepe Council District: 13 Z223-141(MP)]

ITEM 14 IS Z.

2 2 3 1 4 1.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK THREE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 4.

THE PRESTON CENTER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT IN AN AREA BOUNDED BY LUTHER LANE, WESTCHESTER DRIVE, BERKSHIRE LANE, DOUGLAS AVENUE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

SUZANNE KEDRON, 2323 ROSS AVENUE.

UH, THIS IS A CREST THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN EARNEST SINCE LAST YEAR VISITING WITH A LOT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, AND STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AREA.

BUT THE REALITY IS WE STARTED THIS WORK BACK IN 2015 WHEN THEY ENPANELED THE NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, UH, TASK FORCE FOR THE HIGH NASH FOR THE NORTHWEST HIGHWAY PLAN.

UM, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS REDEVELOPMENT.

IT MEETS A LOT OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN.

IT BRINGS A LOT OF GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATING STREET USES.

UH, WE'RE UPGRADING AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND WE'LL BE INCLUDING MUCH NEEDED MULTIFAMILY.

UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO GIVING YOU A FULL PRESENTATION ON MAY 2ND AS WE UNDERSTAND THE CASE WILL BE HELD.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MS. KEDRON? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT, UH, UH, NOTIFICATIONS AND SO FORTH FOR THIS.

UH, MS. KEDRON,

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UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, UH, PRIOR TO YOU SUBMITTING YOUR APPLICATION, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ON THIS PROJECT IN NOVEMBER OF 22 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, SIR.

THERE WAS, AND THERE WAS ONE ALSO A FEW DAYS AGO.

UH, AND THEN YOU SUBMITTED YOUR APPLICATION IN DECEMBER OF 23? I BELIEVE IT WAS NOVEMBER, BUT I CAN HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK.

IT WAS NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.

NOVEMBER.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT YOU PUT UP SIGNS, UH, THE ZONING SIGNS, UH, ACROSS THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF THE PROPERTY? YES SIR, WE DID.

APPARENTLY OCCASIONALLY, SOMETIMES THEY DISAPPEARED OR .

THEY DO.

AND WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE ONE.

WE ALSO HAD ONE ON AN INTERIOR GLASS WALL THAT HAS BEEN UP CONTINUOUSLY THE ENTIRE TIME.

SO NOTIFICATIONS, UH, UH, NO, UH, ZONING SIGNS WERE PUT UP, UH, ARTICLES WERE WRITTEN AND ET CETERA.

SO, UH, THEN YOU NOTIFIED EVERYONE WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA? YES, SIR.

CITY STAFF ACTUALLY HAD TO NOTIFY THIS CASE TWICE.

IT WAS NOTIFIED IT WAS ON YOUR DOCKET ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

UHHUH .

AND THERE WAS A SLIGHT ERROR ON THAT NOTICE.

SO THEY'VE RE-NOTICE.

SO EVERYONE IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA HAS RECEIVED OFFICIAL CITY NOTIFICATION TWICE NOW.

COULD, COULD I ADD JUST THE DETAIL TO THAT, JUST ABSOLUTELY, SIR.

WE, WE SENT 63 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET.

UH, WE DID GET SOME OF THOSE BACK.

WE ALSO GOT BACK THE ONE THAT, UH, THE CITY MAILS TO ITSELF AND THAT DID HAPPEN TWO TIMES.

AND THAT WAS DUE TO A TYPO, NOT ANY ERROR IN REGARDS TO HOW OR, OR, OR, UM, TO WHOM THE NOTIFICATION WAS SENT.

BUT THERE WAS A TYPO IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER.

BUT ALL, NONE OF THE OTHER INFORMATION HAD CHANGED BETWEEN THOSE TWO SENDINGS OF THE NOTIFICATION.

BUT I DID WANT TO CHIME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT'S, UH, CLEAR.

UH, THANK YOU MR. PEPE.

AND, UH, FINALLY, UH, THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS PROBABLY NOT A COMMUNITY MEETING HELD THOUGH FOR UH, I KNOW YOU MET WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE CONDOMINIUM YES.

BUILDING.

THERE'S ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

AND WE DID MEET WITH THEM AND THEY DID RETURN A NOTICE AND SUPPORT.

AND YOU, DID YOU MEET WITH, UH, OWNERS, THE OWNER, OTHER OWNERS IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA? YES, SIR.

THERE WERE SEVERAL MEETINGS.

UM, THE PRINCIPAL, MR. ROBERT DOZIER, AS WELL AS OD FROM DODD COMMUNICATIONS.

THEY'RE BOTH ON OUR TEAM THAT WE'VE MET WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO THE PARKING CORP AND THERE'VE BEEN MEETINGS WITH THEM AS WELL, SIR.

UH, UH, PERHAPS A DEFICIENCY WAS WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING, UH, MAYBE FOR THE MORE GENERAL PUBLIC, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT, UH, FEEDBACK ON THAT.

UM, AND I'LL TAKE PART OF THE BLAME OF THAT BECAUSE I'M A ROOKIE COMMISSIONER.

BUT, UM, THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GET IT DONE.

WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THAT MEETING.

SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

MR. CHAIR.

AND THEN I HAVE A, UH, COMMENT AFTER THE MOTION, UH, IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 2 3 1 4 1.

I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 2ND.

AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER HALL? YEAH, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, AS I MENTIONED, I I'VE MADE THIS MOTION TO HOLD THIS PROJECT UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 2ND SO THAT, UH, A COMMUNITY MEETING CAN BE HELD, A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT'S MORE WIDER IN SCOPE.

UH, WE'LL WORK THROUGH OUR COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE, UH, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, UH, TO REFRESH THE PUBLIC ON THE NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN PRESTON ROAD AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND TO HEAR FROM THOSE WHO LIVE NEAR THE CENTER, UH, INCLUDING NORTH OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, UH, A TENTATIVE DATE FOR THIS MEETING WILL BE APRIL 10TH AT 6:00 PM THE LOCATION WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT SOME POINT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO RECEIVE COMMUNITY INPUT, ANSWER QUESTIONS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND TAKE NOTES OF ANY CONCERNS OR SUPPORT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

HELLO? HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

NEXT CASE.

[15. 24-958 An application for a Historic Overlay for the White Rock Cemetery Garden of Memories (5700 Celestial Road), on property zoned R-16(A) in an area bordered by Cedar Canyon Road on the north, east and west, and north of Preston Oaks Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to preservation criteria. Landmark Commission Recommendation: Approval, subject to preservation criteria. Applicant: White Rock Union Cemetery Planner: Rhonda Dunn, Ph.D. Council District: 11 Z223-133(RD)]

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CAN YOU SEE ME YET? OKAY.

AM I GIVING A, AM I GIVING A PRESENTATION OR READING IT INTO THE RECORD? YEAH.

UH, DR.

DON, THIS HAS NOT YET BEEN BRIEFED, SO IF YOU WOULD, LET'S HOP RIGHT INTO THE BRIEFING.

CAN YOU SEE MY PRESENTATION? NOT YET, NOT YET, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE LAG USUALLY, SO.

LET'S SEE.

CAN YOU SEE IT NOW? WE ARE THERE.

RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.

UH, ZONING KZ 2 2 3 DASH 1 1 3 RD.

MY REQUEST OR OUR REQUEST IS AS FOLLOWS, FOR AN APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR THE WHITE ROCK CEMETERY GARDEN OF MEMORIES LOCATED AT 5,700 CELESTIAL ROAD ON PROPERTY ZONED AURA 16 A IN AN AREA BOARDED BY CEDAR CANYON ROAD ON THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST AND NORTH OF PRESTON OAKS ROAD.

THE AREA OF REQUEST IS 3.112 ACRES IN SIZE AND THE LOCATION IS AN AREA BOARDED BY CEDAR CANYON ROAD ON THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST AND NORTH AGAIN OF PRESTON OAKS ROAD.

OKAY, THE ACTIONS TAKEN SO FAR IN THIS PROCESS.

THE LANDMARK COMMISSION INITIATED THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2022.

THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE APPROVED THE DESIGNATION REPORT AFTER TWO REVIEWS ON JANUARY THE 24TH, 2024.

ON FEBRUARY THE FIFTH, 2024, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THE PUBLIC HEARING TO PURSUE LOCAL DESIGNATION.

IN TERMS OF WHERE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED, IT'S LOCATED IN FAR NORTH HOUSTON, ALMOST 15 MILES DUE NORTH OF CITY HALL OR DOWNTOWN HOUSTON.

IT'S NEAR ADDISON, THE CITY OF ADDISON.

WHICH HAS FRONTAGE ON PRESTON OAKS ROAD.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OR AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE.

AS YOU CAN SEE.

AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S BOARD BOARDED BY CEDAR CANYON ROAD ON THE NORTHEAST WEST AND AT THE SOUTH POSITION IT'S BOARDED BY PRESTON OAKS ROAD.

BUT YOU SEE IN BETWEEN THE ROADS AND THE CEMETERY, WHICH IS HERE, THERE ARE NUMEROUS MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEXES.

THERE ARE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, TOWN HOMES AND CONDOMINIUMS. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE PRESERVE THIS SITE IN TERMS OF ZONING AND LAND USE.

THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THE UH, CEMETERY PROPERTY IS R 16, A SEMI FAMILY, NO SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

THE CURRENT LAND USE IS CEMETERY, BUT IT'S ALSO ACTIVE.

THE MOST RECENT BURIAL WAS AS LATE AS 2023, SO THEY ARE STILL ENTERING PEOPLE.

UH, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION WILL NOT CHANGE THE LAND USE.

IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN ACTIVE CEMETERY.

IN TERMS OF ADJACENT LAND USES, AS I SAID BEFORE, THERE'S MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST.

UM, IN TERMS OF PHOTOGRAPHING IT, THE COMPLEXES ON THE NORTH SIDE, THEY DON'T HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS.

THERE'S A SECURITY GATE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SO I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX, WHICH IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF CEDAR CANYON ROAD AND PRESTON OAKS ROAD.

AND I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX

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LIKE I SAID, TO THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST.

THERE'S ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES.

WITH RESPECT TO BACKGROUND AND HISTORY.

UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THE NORTH GATE.

IT'S AN WROUGHT IRON GATE SUPPORTED BY TWO RED CLAY BRICK, RED CLAY BRICK COLUMNS.

THAT WAS DIFFICULT TO SAY, .

PAUL HOSPITAL, AFRICAN AMERICAN DOCTORS.

SOME ADDITIONAL HISTORY ON THE CEMETERY.

IT WAS ESTABLISHED CIRCA 1852.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THE OLDEST HEADSTONE OF AN INFANT.

UH, HER HEADSTONE.

HER NAME WAS MARGARET MCCAMEY AND SHE PASSED AWAY IN 1852.

SO THAT'S THE OLDEST BURIAL SITE IN THE CEMETERY.

THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, UH, RANGES FROM CIRCA 18 52 2 19 84.

THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WAS MR. WADE HAMPTON WITT.

HE WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE DALLAS COUNTY PIONEERS ASSOCIATION.

HE ALSO WAS POSTMASTER FOR TRINITY MILLS.

UH, SOME, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL OWNERS SINCE THAT TIME.

UH, SO WE JUST HIGHLIGHTED, OR I JUST HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT LATER OWNERS, UH, THE SCOTS.

AND FOR A WHILE, THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM THE WITS.

AND FOR A WHILE IT WAS KNOWN AS THE SCOTT FAMILY CEMETERY.

AND INITIALLY IT WAS ONLY A ONE ACRE PLOT.

IT GREW BY A SECOND ACRE AND A THIRD, LATER ON, UH, OTHER NOTABLE OWNERS, WHETHER WAS CHARLES SPEAR, ANOTHER SCOTT, ET CETERA.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET DOWN TO GILLES ARMSTRONG, GEORGE COT AND HENRY KELLER, AS WELL AS THE, AS WELL AS THE TRUSTEES FOR THE WHITE ROCK UNION COLORED GRAVEYARD, THOSE WERE THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN OWNERS OF THE GRAVEYARD.

AND UNDER THEIR OWNERSHIP AND LEADERSHIP, THE PROPERTY OR THE ACREAGE WAS INCREASED FROM ONE ACRE TO TWO.

SO THERE'VE BEEN TWO NOTABLE ADDITIONS TO THE GRAVEYARD.

ONE IN 1889, THE SECOND EDITION IN 1914.

OKAY, THESE ARE SOME OF THE NOTABLE, NOTABLE BURIALS, AND WE'VE HEARD QUITE A FEW OF THESE NAMES AROUND THE CITY OF DALLAS.

ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND SIDE, IT'S ANDERSON BONNER AND HIS WIFE ELIZA.

WE KNOW THAT, UH, ANDERSON BONNER PARK IS NEXT TO WHITE ROCK CREEK TRAIL AND WHITE ROCK CREEK.

HE WAS, UM, A FORMER ENSLAVED PERSON, LATER BECAME A MAJOR LANDOWNER.

HE OWNED MUCH OF THE PROPERTY IN MEDICAL CITIES WHERE THE GALLERIA IS, ET CETERA.

IT'S BELIEVED THAT HE OWNED UP TO OR AMASSED UP TO 2000 ACRES OF LAND.

UH, OTHER NOTABLE BURIALS ARE GEORGE COT.

WE'VE HEARD OF GEORGE OF COT ROAD AND ALSO, UH, MR. AND MRS. KELLER, HENRY KELLER, AND HIS WIFE MARY.

UH, I THINK WE'VE HEARD OF HENRY, NOT HENRY, BUT KELLER SPRINGS ROAD OR FARM ROAD.

ALSO, ANOTHER NOTABLE BURIAL IS THAT OF DR.

PINKSTON, FOR WHICH THE PINKSTON HIGH SCHOOL IS NAMED.

HE WAS A PROMINENT AFRICAN AMERICAN DOCTOR AND ONE OF THE FIRST DOCTORS TO BE ADMITTED TO STAFF AT ST.

THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL METHODIST CHURCH HAD TO RELOCATE BECAUSE IT WAS FLOODED AND DESTROYED BY FLOODING OF THE, UH, WHITE ROCK CREEK.

UH, I DID NOT KNOW UNTIL THIS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GRAVEYARD AND A CEMETERY, UH, GRAVEYARD IS ASSOCIATED OR AFFILIATED WITH A CHURCH.

SO THIS WAS INITIALLY REFERRED TO AS A GRAVEYARD.

UH, CEMETERY DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE A RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.

ANYWAY, THE CEMETERY WAS INITIALLY, LIKE I SAID, PURCHASED BY WIT AND THEN BECAME THE SCOTT FAMILY CEMETERY.

AND THEN WHEN IT WAS TAKEN OVER BY THE WHITE ROCK CHAPEL CHURCH, IT BECAME THE WHITE ROCK UNION COLORED GRAVEYARD.

UM, THE CHURCH ITSELF WAS FORMED IN 1884, AND IT WAS NEXT TO WHERE THE CEMETERY CURRENTLY IS TODAY.

UH, IN 1889, LEADERS OF THE CHURCH PURCHASED AN ADDITIONAL ACRE IN ADDITION TO THE SCOTT FAMILY ACRE, AND IT BECAME, AS I SAID, THE WHITE ROCK UNION COLORED GRAVEYARD.

IN 1914, THE THIRD ACRE WAS ADDED TO THE CEMETERY WHEN CHARLES AND LULA E BOOTH, ALSO MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH PURCHASED THE FINAL ONE ACRE TRACK.

THEY WANTED IT FOR THEIR FAMILY BURIALS.

IN 1918,

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WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS A PICTURE NOT OF THE ORIGINAL CHURCH.

THE ORIGINAL CHURCH WAS BASICALLY A LOG CABIN BUILDING.

THIS IS THE CHURCH THAT THEY BUILT IN ADDISON AFTER 1918.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GETS CONFUSING WHEN WE WERE DOING THE RESEARCH IS THE NEW CHURCH WAS BUILT ON CELESTIAL ROAD AS WELL.

BUT IN ADDISON, THIS IS THE SAME WHITE ROCK CHAPEL OR SAME CHURCH TODAY, WELL, NOT BUILDING.

THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL BUILDINGS.

UH, THE BUILDING YOU SAW IN THE FORMER PICTURE WAS DESTROYED BY FIRE.

UH, NO ONE KNOWS HOW THAT STARTED, BUT, UH, THIS IS THE CURRENT BUILDING IN ADDISON.

UH, HOWEVER, THEY CONTINUE TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE CEMETERY.

AND IN 1969, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CEMETERY IS SURROUNDED ALL BY MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

BUT A CORPORATION CALLED OKC ACTUALLY LOCKED THE GATES TO THE CEMETERY AND CLAIMED THAT THEY HAD PURCHASED THE CEMETERY AND CLAIMED THAT THE LAND HAD BEEN ABANDONED.

HOWEVER, THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH CONTINUED TO AFFILIATE BECAUSE THEIR INSIST ANCESTORS WERE THERE WITH THE CEMETERY.

SO THEREFORE, THEY SUED OKC CORPORATION TO GET ACCESS OR RECEIVED ACCESS TO THE CEMETERY AND ALSO TO PRESERVE THE CEMETERY.

SO IT WAS AN ONGOING COURT BATTLE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT.

FINALLY, IN 1979, THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT UPHELD THEIR ORIGINAL DECISION IN FAVOR OF THE TRUSTEES TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN AND PRESERVE THEIR SITE AND RETAIN ACCESS TO IT.

TODAY, THIS IS BASICALLY AN AERIAL OF THE, UH, CEMETERY IN TERMS OF, UH, WE, IT, ITS CONDITION.

WE WOULD SAY ITS CONDITION IS FAIR ON A SCALE FROM POOR TO EXCELLENT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'VE HAD ISSUES WITH VANDALS AND PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN'T BE ON THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY DAMAGING AND KNOCKING OVER HEADSTONES.

I THINK IT WAS ONE JULY 4TH WEEKEND, SOMEONE CAME IN AND CAME IN WITH A TRUNK AND ACTUALLY DID DONUTS ACROSS THE CEMETERY.

SO QUITE A BIT OF DAMAGE WAS DONE.

SO MANY OF THE GRAVES ARE UNMARKED.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST, UM, 421 GRAVE SITES, BUT WE BELIEVE THERE MAY BE AS MANY AS 500 GRAVE SITES YOU SEE AROUND THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY.

THESE ARE BOAT ART TREES AS WELL AS OTHER NATIVE TREES.

SOME OF THE TREES IN THE MIDDLE ARE TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, WELL, WE'LL CALL IT THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE DIED.

THEY'VE BEEN HIT BY LIGHTNING, ET CETERA.

UH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW HERE, EXISTING TODAY, THIS IS THE NORTH GATE.

THERE WAS ALSO A SOUTH GATE, BUT IT HAS BEEN CLOSED OFF.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO THE CEMETERY AT THIS TIME.

AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THERE IS A PAVILION ON SITE.

THAT'S THE ONE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, CURRENTLY THE DESCENDANTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE CEMETERY, THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL PICNIC AND GET TOGETHER AROUND MEMORIAL DAY, AND THAT IS HELD AT THE PAVILION.

AND IN TERMS OF THE DESIGNATION, THIS IS THE ONLY AREA THAT THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL BUILD ZONE.

SO THEY CAN REDO, TEAR DOWN, RECONSTRUCT THE PAVILION.

BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THE GRAVES ARE, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW DEEP ANY FOUNDATION GOES.

OKAY? THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE EXHIBIT C, THE SITE PLAN DRAWN UP BY THE, UH, DESIGNATION COMMITTEE TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE BILL ZONE IS.

THIS IS WHERE THE, UH, PAVILION IS.

UH, ALSO, THERE'S A ROAD THAT EXTENDS FROM THE NORTH GATE THAT YOU JUST SAW.

IT'S AN ASPHALT NOTE ROAD.

IT HAS SOME DETERIORATION TO IT, BUT IT EXTENDS DOWN TO WHERE THE SOUTHEAST GATE USED TO BE.

RIGHT NOW, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BASICALLY PADLOCKED AND CLOSED OFF WITH, UM, WOOD FENCING.

BUT YOU ALSO SEE IN THE PICTURE THE THREE TRACKS, THE FIRST ACRE THAT THE SCOTT FAMILY OWNED, THEN THE SECOND ACRE OWNED BY THE WHITE ROCK UNION COLORED CEMETERY OR DEEDED TO THEM.

AND THEN THE THIRD ACRE THAT, UH, BECAME AVAILABLE

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IN 1914.

THE OTHER THING IS ALL AROUND THE PROPERTY, THIS IS AN EASEMENT.

IT'S OWNED BY THE NEIGHBORING APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND APARTMENT COMPLEXES, TOWN HOMES, AND CONDOMINIUM SITES.

HOWEVER, AS A PART OF THE, UH, SUPREME COURT RULING AND THE COURT RULING PERIOD, THESE HAVE TO REMAIN OPEN SO THAT THE FAMILIES CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR RELATIVES WHO ARE BURIED HERE AT THE CEMETERY.

IN TERMS OF ELIG ELIGIBILITY, UH, IT MEETS SIX CRITERIA WHERE IT ONLY NEEDED TO MEET THREE.

SO IT MEETS HISTORY, HERITAGE, AND CULTURE, SIGNIFICANT PERSONS UNIQUE VISUAL, VISUAL FEATURES.

ARCHEOLOGICAL, OKAY, I CAN'T SAY THAT WORD TODAY, TOO MANY SYLLABLES.

BUT BECAUSE IT'S A S CEMETERY, IT HAS ARCHEOLOGICAL FEATURES.

UH, ALSO IT MEETS NATIONAL AND STATE RECOGNITION BECAUSE IT DID RECEIVE A MARKER FROM THE TEXAS HISTORICAL SOCIETY, JUNE 8TH, 2020.

AND IT ALSO PROVIDES US WITH EDUCATION ABOUT OUR HISTORY HERE IN DALLAS, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA, AND LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

THANK YOU, DR.

DON.

UM, WE'RE STILL IN OUR BRIEFING, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DR. DUNN? COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

DR. DUNN, YOU MENTIONED THE CHURCH THAT'S ASSOCIATED OR HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITE.

UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF THEIR CURRENT ZONING FIGHT? I KNOW IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE, BUT YES.

YES, I AM.

AND I THINK THEY FINALLY HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO HAVE SERVICES.

AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT.

DR. DUNN, IS THIS PROPERTY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? NO.

YOU HAVE TO CALL ONE OF THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION MEMBERS TO GET ACCESS.

THANK YOU MEMBERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.

UH, DR. DUNN, WHY DON'T YOU READ THIS INTO THE RECORD AND WE CAN START THE PUBLIC HEARING.

LET ME GO BACK TO, OKAY.

THIS IS DR.

RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.

THE REQUEST IS FOR AN APPLICATION FOR A HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR THE WHITE R CEMETERY GARDEN OF MEMORIES AT 5,700 CELESTIAL ROAD ON PROPERTY ZONED R 16 A IN AN AREA BOARDED BY CEDAR CANYON ROAD ON THE NORTHEAST AND WEST AND NORTH OF PRESTON OAKS ROAD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, DR.

DEN.

I SEE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER BEYOND YOUR, YOUR REALLY THOROUGH PRESENTATION THAT YOU JUST GAVE? NO, I JUST SIGNED UP IN TWO PLACES.

THAT'S ALL.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 15 Z 2 2 3 1 33.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR DR.

DON? SECOND ROUND? SEEING NONE.

CHAIR, YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A MOTION WITH PLEASURE IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3.

1, 3 3.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF AND LANDMARK COMMISSION, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

THE WHITE ROCK UNION CEMETERY CAN STILL SERVE AS A POWERFUL SYMBOL, A PLACE WHERE HISTORY LIVES ON SO MANY TIMES, WHERE AREAS OF THIS CITY THAT HAVE BEEN INTEGRATED HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND TO SUFFER THROUGH DILIGENT RESEARCH, EDUCATION INITIATIVES AND COMMUNITY EVENTS, WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE STORIES RESTING HERE CONTINUE TO INSPIRE GENERATIONS TO COME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR.

SHE DID FOR YOUR MOTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? THANK YOU.

I I I'M HAPPY THAT THIS HAS COME BEFORE THE TABLE.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY SOME THINGS, UM, ABOUT THE CEMETERY AND OTHER CEMETERIES AROUND OUR CITY.

UM, WHITE ROCK UNION CEMETERY, A PLACE STEEPED IN THE HISTORY OF BLACK DALLAS.

THE SACRED GROUND NESTLED AMIDST AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, FACES THE LOOMING THREAT OF DEVELOPMENT.

BUT LET US NOT FORGET THAT BENEATH OUR FEET LIE, THE STORIES OF MEN AND WOMEN LIKE ANDERSON BONNER, ETCHED INTO THE VERY SOIL, THEIR STRUGGLE AND TRIUMPHS ARE WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR CITY AND IS OUR DUTY TO HONOR THE MEMORY.

WHILE THE CEMETERY'S CURRENT LOCATION MAY HINDER FULL ACCESSIBILITY, ITS PRESERVATION REMAINS PARAMOUNT.

WE MUST NOT ALLOW THESE FINAL RESTING PLACES AND OTHERS IN THIS CITY TO BE BULLDOZED FOR YET ANOTHER BUILDING.

THIS NEGLECT IS NOT JUST ABOUT PROTECTING THE PAST, IT'S ABOUT SHAPING A FUTURE WHERE ALL ARE REMEMBERED.

DESPITE ITS LIMITATIONS,

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LET US LEARN FROM PAST MISTAKES AND COMMIT TO HONORING BLACK HISTORY, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF DESIGNATED MUSEUMS, BUT ALSO IN THE VERY PLACES WHERE BLACK LIVES INTERSECTED WITH OUR CITY'S GROWTH.

LET US REMEMBER ANDERSON BONNER AND ALL THOSE WHO SHAPED OUR CITY'S HISTORY.

MAY WHITE ROCK UNION CEMETERY STAND AS A TESTAMENT TO OUR COMMITMENT TO INCLUSIVITY AND THE ENDURING POWER OF MEMORY.

COMMISSIONER OR CHURCH DID? YES.

JUST QUICK COMMENT.

UH, I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR HIS ELOQUENT COMMENTS.

UH, JUST LIKE TO SAY IT WAS A JOY TO, TO WORK THIS CASE, UH, EVEN THOUGH I, I JUST GOT IT.

UH, AND I WANTED TO THANK DR. DUNN AND STAFF AND THE LA LANDMARK COMMISSION, UH, FOR THIS, UH, THIS AMAZING WORK.

AND THE WRITEUP WAS, UH, REALLY A JOY TO READ.

UH, THIS IS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I, I LIVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE MINUTES FROM HERE.

AND, UH, IT'S INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ESSENTIALLY A TODDLER AT 180 YEARS OLD.

AND, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT AREA, AND IT'S AN AREA WHERE WE, WE HAVE ZONING CASES NOW.

WE PASSED ONE LAST YEAR TO PUT IN A TOWER.

WE HAVE ONE NOW THAT'S, UH, COMING OUR WAY THAT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A BLOCK OR TWO AWAY FROM, FROM HERE ON THE NORTH.

AND SO IT, IT'S A, IT'S AMAZING TO HAVE KIND OF A WINDOW TO THE PAST THAT IS JUST RIGHT THERE, UH, BUMPING A AGAINST WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO BECOME IN THE FUTURE.

SO, IT, IT WAS A FASCINATING READ, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL INVOLVED FOR IT MEMBERS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, JUST WANNA SAY HEAR HERE.

THANK YOU FOR THE REALLY, UH, POWERFUL WORDS.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, CHAIR SHEAD.

I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ITEM NUMBER 16, CASE NUMBER Z TWO 12 DASH 3 49.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR.

[16. 24-959 A City Plan Commission authorized hearing seeking a recommendation regarding a proposal to change the zoning classification from R-7.5(A) single-family zoning district to the South Winnetka Heights Conservation District No. 21, being all of City Blocks 51/3306, 50/3305, 49/3304, and 48/3303 being generally bounded by Twelfth Street to the north, Edgefield Avenue to the west, Brooklyn Avenue to the south, and the alley between Block 48/3303 and Blocks 186/3245 and 2/3244, east of Willomet Avenue and a portion of Polk Street to the east, and containing approximately 16.299 acres. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a Conceptual Plan and conditions. Planner: Trevor Brown Council District: 1 Z212-349(TAB)]

A CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING, SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM R SEVEN 50, A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH WINNETKA HEIGHTS CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

NUMBER 21 BEING ALL OF CITY BLOCKS, 51 SLASH 3 3 0 6 50 SLASH 3 3 0 5 49 SLASH 3 3 0 4, AND 48 SLASH 3 3 0 3 BEING GENERALLY BOUNDED BY 12TH STREET TO THE NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE TO THE WEST BROOKLYN AVENUE TO THE SOUTH.

AND THE ALLEY BETWEEN BLOCK 48 SLASH 3 3 0 3 AND BLOCKS 180 6 SLASH 3 2 4 5 AND TWO SLASH 3 2 4 4 EAST OF WILLAMETTE AVENUE AND A PORTION OF POLK STREET TO THE EAST AND CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 6.299 ACRES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BROWN.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR.

UM, I'M DIANE SHERMAN.

I RESIDE AT 1 0 7 NORTH CLINTON AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THIS SUBJECT AREA.

I WAS ASKED TO COME AND SPEAK IN SUPPORT, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

I'M HERE ALONG WITH A COUPLE OF MY NEIGHBORS.

UM, TINA, NO HENICK AND THERESA NORTON.

UM, A NUMBER OF THE PEOPLE IN THE SUBJECT AREA WERE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT A NUMBER OF THEM ARE WATCHING VIRTUALLY.

AND, UH, WE WANTED TO BE HERE IN SOLIDARITY.

I HAVE JUST

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A FEW COMMENTS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, WHY I WANNA SPEAK IN THIS MATTER IS I'VE BEEN A LONG TIME PRESERVATIONIST, PARTICULARLY IN THE NORTH OAK CLIFF AREA FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

AND, UM, WE'VE LONG HOPED THAT SOUTH WINNETKA HEIGHTS COULD ACHIEVE A CONSERVATION STATUS.

AND, UM, I WANTED TO, UM, SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THIS TOGETHER, UM, STARTED THIS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

THEY WORKED THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AND AFTERWARDS TOO.

SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S REQUIRED A LOT OF TENACITY ON THEIR PART IN DUE DILIGENCE.

AND, UM, WE WANTED TO THANK THEM FOR THAT.

AND WE ARE GRATEFUL BECAUSE WE DO STAND TO BE THE BENEFICIARIES OF THIS EFFORT, UM, SINCE WE HAVE A PROTECTED AREA, AND WE'VE ENJOYED THAT AND WORKED FOR IT FOR SINCE 1981.

UM, AND WE, WE ALSO WANTED TO APPLAUD THE TEAMWORK AND THE PROFESSIONALISM AND THE ATTENTION SHOWN TO THE NEIGHBORS OF SOUTH WINNETKA HEIGHTS BY, UM, MR. BROWN AND HIS PRES, HIS CONSERVATION STAFF.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA THAT'S BEEN VERY CAREFULLY CRAFTED IN THIS CASE, IT'S VERY DETAILED, IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE, AND IT'S VERY WELL DOCUMENTED.

IT'S ALSO, IN MY OPINION, UM, VERY WELL ILLUSTRATED.

SO, UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY, AND IT'S OUR HOPE THAT YOU WILL VOTE THIS IN A UNANIMOUS FASHION TODAY.

THANK YOU, MS. SHERMAN.

ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK BEFORE WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? NO.

ONE ONLINE.

TWO, MR. IS IT MR. EVANS? YES.

OKAY, MR. EVANS.

I THINK A COUPLE TIMES IN THE LOCAL ADVOCATE MAGAZINE FOR A CLIFF, WHICH IF ANYBODY HAS THAT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IS DELIVERED TO YOUR DOOR.

UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL EVANS.

I LIVE AT 5 1 9 SOUTH WINKA AVENUE, AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE SOUTH LUKA HEIGHTS CONSERVATION DISTRICT.

UM, I WOULD BE WHAT YOU'D CONSIDER, I GUESS, THE LEAD ON THIS.

UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THIS WAS, UH, VERY MUCH A COMMUNITY EFFORT.

I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.

UM, I, HALF THE TIME I LIVED ONE STREET OVER.

UM, SO I REALLY ENJOY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'VE, WE'VE STAYED HERE THIS LONG WITH ALL THREE OF OUR KIDS AND MY WIFE.

AND, UM, IT'S A VERY TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY.

AND THIS, THIS WHOLE IDEA OF THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT HAS BEEN, UH, AROUND A LOT LONGER THAN THE THREE OR FOUR YEARS THAT IT'S TAKEN US TO GET TO HERE.

AND, UH, FROM MANY CONVERSATIONS ON FRONT PORCHES AND JUST NEIGHBORHOOD GET TOGETHERS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, UM, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND THEN JUST A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, RIGHT BEFORE I STARTED ALL THIS, UM, THERE WAS A MODERN HOUSE BUILT ON WILLAMETTE, ONE STREET OVER FROM ME.

AND, UH, NO KNOCK ON ANY KIND OF MODERN HOUSES, BUT IT DEFINITELY DOES NOT FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S A TWO STORY WHITE STONE BUILDING, UH, WITH A GARAGE FACE, STREET FACING.

UM, AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT WITHIN THE NORMAL PARAMETERS OF WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A HOUSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND THAT REALLY STARTED EVERYTHING.

IT GOT EVERY, EVERYBODY REALLY CONCERNED THAT WHAT WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A VERY LONG TIME WAS ACTUALLY REAL AND IT WAS IN OUR BACKYARD.

AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO STOP.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF EMPTY LOTS AS WELL.

AND, UH, THOSE CONCERN A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST REALLY, I MOVED HERE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED HERE BECAUSE WE LOVE THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSES, THE BIG TREES.

THE FRONT PORCHES ARE HUGE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY TALK TO EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WHO COMES AND GOES.

AND THAT REALLY BRINGS TOGETHER A MUCH MORE TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITY WHEN, UM, YOU CAN JUST STAND ON YOUR FRONT PORCH AND SPEAK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS FROM ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, AND A LOT OF , A LOT OF EFFORT AND LOVE AND APPRECIATION FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS GONE INTO THIS WHOLE ORDEAL THAT WE JUMPED INTO.

UM, AND I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL WHEN WE STARTED IT.

I GUESS WE FOUND OUT LATER THAT WE WERE THE FIRST NEW CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IN 10 YEARS.

AND, UM, THAT HAS BROUGHT A LOT OF ATTENTION TO US.

WE HAVE GOTTEN QUITE A FEW WRITE-UPS,

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SO IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PUBLICIZED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

WE'VE HAD WRITE-UPS, UM, THROUGH CANDY'S DIRT AND, UH, THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AND OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT.

AND, UH, I JUST REALLY HOPE THAT THIS GOES THROUGH AND, UH, THERE'S UNANIMOUS SPOKE TO VERDICT.

THANK, THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, MS. BAGWELL? YES, THANK YOU.

I'M JOLENE BAGWELL.

I LIVE AT 5 2 8 SOUTH CLINTON, ZIP CODE 7 5 2 0 8.

I ECHO EVERYTHING.

SO WE CALL MICHAEL LEVINS PATTY.

UH, SO I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT THAT PATTY SAID, AND THEN SOME.

I'VE LIVED IN TEXAS FOR FOUR DECADES.

I HAVE NEVER LIVED IN A COMMUNITY I'VE LOVED SO MUCH AS, AS I'M LIVING NOW IN THIS, IN, IN THE SOUTH WINNETKA HEIGHTS DISTRICT.

AND THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS FOR THAT, CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE, BUT THE LOOK OF THE HOMES.

UM, WHAT'S IN A CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW FOR ME, LIVING IN A CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW FEELS LIKE LIVING IN A CONTINUOUS HUG.

AND, UH, CONSEQUENTLY LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS LIKE LIVING IN A CONTINUOUS HUG.

I LOVE THE ARCHITECTURE.

UM, IT SEEMS TO HAVE BONDED US ALONG WITH THE FRONT PORCH LIFESTYLE IN A MORE OLD FASHIONED WAY.

IN A TIME WHEN EVERYTHING'S ONLINE MOVING TOO FAST, THERE'S SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTFUL ABOUT DRIVING DOWN OUR STREETS, SEEING OUR NEIGHBORS, ACTUALLY HAVING YOUR NEIGHBORS TALK TO YOU, SIT ON YOUR PORCH.

THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERYWHERE ELSE I LIVED.

UM, YOU COULD, YOU COULD LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A COUPLE OR NEIGHBORS AND NEVER REALLY KNOW THEM.

SO ALL OF THAT IS, IS REALLY CRITICAL TO, UM, TO THE SENSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TRUE SENSE OF COMMUNITY WE HAVE.

AND, UM, IF IT, IF IT IS OF ANY INTEREST TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED.

I KNOW OTHERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP THAT WORKED ON THIS, UM, WITH MICHAEL, WITH PATTY, HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE OAK CLIFF AREA THAT ARE NOT YET CONSERVATION DISTRICTS OR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND ARE INTERESTED.

SO I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

SO, TREVOR, SCOTT, MELISSA, ASHLEY, THANK YOU.

AND GET READY, UM, FOR MORE WORK TO COME.

AND I JUST, I ALSO HOPE THAT YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS.

UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO BE HERE, BUT WE'RE TEXTING EACH OTHER FURIOUSLY TODAY LOOKS LIKE 10 TO 15 AT THE VERY LEAST.

SO THEY'RE WAITING TO HEAR EXCITEDLY, UM, SO THAT WE CAN THEN GO CELEBRATE ON THOSE FRONT PORCHES IN A COMMUNITY THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO US BOTH IN CHARM, IN PEOPLE, AND IN THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE HOPE YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING CHANGE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MR. FRIESEN HUNT.

ME.

HI THERE.

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? WE CAN'T.

HELLO? YES, WE CAN.

AMAZING.

WE CAN'T YOU YET THOUGH, ON MY VIDEO? YES, PLEASE.

I'M, I FORGOT MY HEADPHONES AND I'M IN A COFFEE SHOP, SO I'M TALKING ON MY PHONE AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO START MY VIDEO.

BOOM.

OKAY, WELL, ONE SECOND.

OH, THERE IT IS.

THERE YOU ARE.

HELLO, EVERYONE.

MY, MY MOUTH MAY NOT LINE UP WITH MY WORDS, BUT YEAH, WE, UH, AS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, I OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THIS AND WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT EFFORT THIS FAR AND ARE REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT PATTY AND SO MANY FOLKS HAVE DONE.

AND THIS WAS LIKE A VERY GRASSROOTS THING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALL COMING TOGETHER.

AND IT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE LIVE IN AND THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE.

AND A LOT OF THAT IS THANKS TO, YOU KNOW, US GETTING TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER, THANKS TO BEING IN OUR FRONT YARDS AND OUR GARDENS AND OUR FRONT PORCHES, AND WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND SEEING EVERYONE.

AND WE WANT TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO CONSERVE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE LOVE AND THAT MAKE IT

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FEEL LIKE HOME.

UM, I AM AN AVID GARDENER AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT MAKES ME MORE HAPPY THAN BEING OUT IN THE GARDEN IN THE FRONT YARD AND SEEING MY NEIGHBOR KATIE, ACROSS THE STREET ON HER FRONT PORCH, OR SEEING PATTY WHEN I WALK DOWN THE STREET.

UM, AND SO AS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS COMING, WE WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB AT PROTECTING THAT.

UM, THERE'S ALSO, OUR HOUSE IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S KIND OF AT JEOPARDY.

THERE'S SEVERAL LOTS NEXT TO US, AND THERE WILL BE GOING UP FOR SALE AND JUST DOWN THE STREET ON 12TH, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, TALL, SKINNY CONDOS BUILT.

AND IT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST FEARS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, A TOWERING CONDO THAT'S STARING DOWN INTO OUR BACKYARD GARDEN, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, BLOCKING THE SUNSHINE.

SO NONE OF MY FLOWERS CAN GROW.

BUT YEAH, I SUPPORT THIS AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, AT CITY HALL, WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, DONE SO MUCH IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE, UH, THIS MEETING AND HOLDING, YOU KNOW, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

WE REALLY HOPE IT GOES THROUGH AND PROTECTS OUR HOMES.

ARE ANY OF OUR OTHER SPEAKERS ONLINE? NO, THAT'S IT.

UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER CHERNO, YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO, BUT FIRST I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK MS. SHERMAN, WHO HAS PROVIDED LEADERSHIP FOR MANY DECADES, AND I APPRECIATE HER BEING HERE TODAY.

SHE'S PROVIDED A LOT OF LEADERSHIP FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO THANK YOU.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UH, MR. BROWN AND STAFF'S WORK ON THIS.

UH, THIS IS A LONG DRAWN OUT UNDERTAKING, AND I BELIEVE THAT CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS REALLY EXEMPLIFY COMMUNITY, UM, SELF-DETERMINATION.

IT'S A PROCESS THAT REALLY REQUIRES A LOT OF BUY-IN, AND IT'S A VERY VETTED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, UM, SO I JUST, UH, WANNA ALSO MAKE THOSE PERSONAL COMMENTS.

UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT IS GOING TO DEVIATE FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION SLIGHTLY, AND I HAVE SOME COMMENTS AFTER I MAKE THAT MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO 12 DASH 3 49, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN SECTION FOUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARD.

SUBSECTION B USES DELIGHT, DELETE PARAGRAPH ONE AND INSERT THE FOLLOWING.

THE ONLY MAIN USE PERMITTED ARE THOSE MAIN USES PERMITTED IN THE 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO THE SAME CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO THE 7.5 A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AS SET OUT IN CHAPTER 51 A, FOR EXAMPLE, USE PERMITTED IN THE 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ONLY BY SPECIFIC USE IS PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT ONLY BY SUPA, USE SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW, DIR.

AND THE 7.5 A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS SUBJECT TO THE DIR IN THIS DISTRICT, ET CETERA.

THEN IN SECTION FOUR AS WELL, UNDER DEVELOPMENT STANDARD SUBSECTION D, UH, DENSITY, INSERT THE FOLLOWING, TO ALLOW THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO AUTHORIZE A RENTABLE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MAY GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO AUTHORIZE A RENTABLE ACCESSORY DWELLING WHEN IN THE OPINION OF THE BOARD, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

IN GRANTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THE BOARD SHALL REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO DEED RESTRICT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO REQUIRE OWNER OCCUPANCY ON THE PREMISE, AND ANNUALLY REGISTER THE RENTAL PROPERTY WITH THE CITY'S SINGLE FAMILY NON-OWNER OCCUPIED RENTAL PROGRAM.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

UM, CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF.

UM, MR. MOORE, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THIS BODY TO CONSIDER CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, PETITION THAT INITIATED THIS? A AGAIN, IF IT'S BEFORE THE BODY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THAT, THAT WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE TO THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE BEFORE US.

YES, COMMISSIONER, YOU, WE CAN MAKE CHANGES AND IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY A ZONING CASE, THEREFORE CONDITIONS CAN BE MODIFIED BY THIS BODY.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN KEAN THIS MORNING, AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN, UH, MEETINGS WHEN I MET WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT IS AROUND THE A DU DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHENA.

SO, UH, THE REASON THAT I WANTED TO DEVIATE FROM THE

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UH, THE SORT OF THREE PATHS, OR THREE OPTIONS WERE FOR, UM, THEM TO CALL OUT THEIR OWN, UH, REGULATIONS AROUND ADUS TO ESSENTIALLY LEAVE IT THE SAME OR TO ESSENTIALLY RESTRICT IT.

UM, IN THIS SENSE, THE WAY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION CAME THROUGH IS THAT IT WAS RESTRICTING IT.

AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT THE MAIN GOAL OF A CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS TO PROTECT THE SENSE OF PLACE BY WAY OF PROTECTING THE ARCHITECTURAL FORMS. AND IN THIS, UM, SENSE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE INTENT FOR THEM TO RESTRICT DENSITY AND PERPETUITY FOR ALL TIME GOING FORWARD.

SO, I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT AN APPROVAL OF ADU.

THIS JUST KEEPS THE CURRENT PROCESS IN PLACE.

SHOULD THERE BE, UM, A, A PROPERTY THAT WANTS TO GO THROUGH THAT, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, GIVE THEIR INPUT THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS PROCESS.

AND DURING THE MEETING WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, JUST WHAT I WITNESSED, I KNOW THIS WAS, UH, DISCUSSED AT SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THE GENERAL SENTIMENT IN THE ROOM WAS NOT AN OPPOSITION TO THE, UH, INTENT.

THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF HANGUP AROUND THESE DEFINITIONS IN THIS THING CALLED THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, WHICH NOBODY UNDERSTOOD.

AND BY, ON MY OWN ADMISSION, I STRUGGLE WITH A LOT OF THESE TERMS AS WELL.

UH, ACCESSORY USES ADUS, THESE ARE ALL NEW CONCEPTS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND IT SEEMED LIKE MOST PEOPLE WERE BOGGING DOWN.

UM, AND THE DEFINITIONS, THAT'S JUST WHAT I WITNESSED THERE.

IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS A, UM, HUGE PUSHBACK.

UM, SO THAT WAS MY REASONING FOR THE, THE SLIGHT CHANGE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, COULD I ASK, UM, FOR A CLARIFICATION FROM A COMMISSIONER TURNOCK, WHAT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE FIRST CHANGE THAT YOU MADE THE THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT? UM, IT DOES, IT DOES REQUIRE US TO CALL OUT DENSITY.

UM, AND WHEN I WANT, WHEN I TALKED TO STAFF ON HOW WE COULD KEEP THIS IN PLACE, THIS WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY FELT WAS THE BEST.

UM, IS THE, IS THE, IS THE LANGUAGE THAT NEEDED TO BE IN THERE S SUCH THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS COULD STILL REMAIN IN PLACE? IF DANIEL WANTS TO SPEAK MORE ON THE DETAILS OF WHY THEY CHOSE THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, IT PROBABLY MORE PRO WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ADUS OR WAS IT ABOUT THE USES? IT WAS ABOUT THE USES.

THE USES IS JUST THE R SEVEN FIVE A USES TO ALLOW, BECAUSE THE, UM, EXISTS, THE, THE, YEAH, HOW DOES IT DEVIATE FROM WHAT IS IN THIS SET OF REGULATIONS? SO WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE DOCKET IS ARE BY RIGHT CHURCHES, HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING UNITS, AND SINGLE FAMILY USES.

SO THIS ALLOWS MAIN, THIS MAINTAINS ALL THE R SEVEN FIVE A, UH, YEAH, YEAH, R SEVEN FIVE A USES THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXIST THAT ARE ALREADY ALLOWED THERE.

I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EVALUATE WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY IN LIGHT OF THAT, SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU MR. RUBIN.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, R SEVEN FIVE A ALLOWS A PARK OR A PLAYGROUND AND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE R SEVEN FIVE USES AS OPPOSED TO JUST GOING TO LIST LIST OF THREE, IF THE, THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO PARK IT WOULD ALLOW IT TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE.

SO THAT'S THAT KIND OF, I THINK THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE IS DEFAULTING TO R SEVEN FIVE A AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE ENUMERATED USES.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT IS TO REALLY JUST DEFAULT BACK TO OUR SEVEN FIVE A, WHICH IS WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY, WHILE STILL ALLOWING ALL OF THE OTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

IT'S JUST A, A FUNCTION OF USE.

I THINK MY CONCERN WOULD BE, UM, IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY, UM, COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT.

WHAT'S BEFORE US IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WITH REALLY STRONG SUPPORT.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN OPPOSITION BEFORE US TODAY AND JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THE TIME AND THE EFFORT AND, YOU KNOW, OVER FOUR YEARS THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION HERE, AND I THINK IT JUST GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE MEMBERS WHO WERE PART OF THIS PROCESS HAVEN'T MAYBE SPOKEN TO THIS SPECIFIC ITEM.

UM, I,

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COMMISSIONER FORSETH.

MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK, UH, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THOUGHT I HEARD EARLIER WHEN, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, ASKED THE QUESTION ON, UH, THE ADUS AND I THOUGHT THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN SAID THAT, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WERE NOT ALLOWED IN THIS HISTORICAL DISTRICT.

I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I, I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER THAT IT WAS ONLY ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.

SO THE WAY THAT THIS WAS WRITTEN, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US THAT STAFF PRESENTED TO US, SAID THAT ONLY ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS WOULD BE ALLOWED.

HOWEVER, IN THE UNDERLYING R 75 ZONING, YOU COULD GET EITHER AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OR AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT BY GOING THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS.

BUT, BUT YOUR POINT EARLIER WAS THAT THE, THE WAY THIS HISTORICAL, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, CHARTER WAS PUT TOGETHER WAS, WAS NOT, WAS, WAS NOT TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

IS THAT RIGHT? ONLY TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS HOW THAT WAS DRAFTED.

MEETINGS, BUT, UH, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MUS THE MOTION FOR THOSE REASONS.

I RAISED MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND WHETHER THAT MADE SENSE OR NOT.

WELL THEN, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, THAT THIS IS A PRETTY MAJOR CHANGE THEN TO THIS, UH, TO THIS MOTION.

UH, UH, THIS SHOULD BE PRESENTED AS A SEPARATE AMENDMENT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, VOTE ON THAT AS AN AMENDMENT AND THEN VOTE ON THE OVERALL.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEMSELVES, MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY WITH THIS.

WELL, WELL JUST, WE DIDN'T, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THEIR VIEW OF THIS, BECAUSE THIS WAS JUST BROUGHT UP HERE AT THE VERY END OF THEIR TESTIMONY.

JUST TWO, TWO THOUGHTS THERE.

ONE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, SHE'S MOTION THAT, THAT HE MADE, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW HE, HE'S HAD ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND IS, IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS ISSUE.

AND TWO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A MAJOR CHANGE, THIS IS NOT ALLOWING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS BY RIGHT? IT'S ALLOWING THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCEDURE, WHICH ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY INPUT.

AND I KNOW THERE ARE MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE ARE MANY INSTANCES WHERE SOMEONE GOES TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO ASK FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, AND THE BOARD OF SAYS, WELL, WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE ALLOWING AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT HERE.

WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT HERE.

SO THAT IS STILL WOULD BE IN PLACE UNDER COMMISSIONER SHARON KNOX'S MOTION.

MR. KINGSTON, I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.

I LIVE IN A CONSERVATION DISTRICT THAT'S VERY SIMILAR IN TIME AND SPACE TO THIS ONE.

AND WE'VE STRUGGLED OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WITH ISSUES JUST LIKE THIS, TO THE POINT THAT WE HAD TO AMEND OUR CONSERVATION DISTRICT TO ALLOW ADUS BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE WHO NEEDED THE ABILITY IN, IN, IN EFFORTS TO FIGHT GENTRIFICATION, TO ALLOW AGING PARENTS TO INCREASINGLY ALLOW STUDENTS WHO WERE SLOW TO START TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE ON THEIR PROPERTIES.

AND IN LIEU OF HAVING TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH THE WAY THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN OPTION FOR THESE PEOPLE.

WE AMENDED OUR CONSERVATION DISTRICT, WHICH IS A VERY ONEROUS PROCESS TO HAVE ADUS BY WRIGHT, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT MOST COMMUNITIES EVEN HAVE.

AND GOING THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS NOT NOTHING.

UM, IT TAKES A FEE, IT TAKES A PROCESS, AND FOR MOST RESIDENTS IT'S VERY INTIMIDATING.

AND, AND IT, AND IT CAN TAKE GOING BACK MORE THAN ONCE, AND YOU HAVE TO POST A SIGN IN YOUR YARD AND THE COMMUNITY GETS FAIR NOTICE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS A MONUMENTAL CHANGE.

I JUST SEE THIS AS SOMETHING THAT REMOVES SOME SIGNIFICANT HINDRANCE DOWN THE ROAD AS THIS COMMUNITY EVOLVES.

AND IT REALLY DOES PROVIDE SOME, UM, ME METHODS FOR PREVENTING THE TYPE OF GENTRIFICATION THAT CHASES PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR COMMUNITIES AS THE COMMUNITY BECOMES MORE SUCCESSFUL AS THE TAXES RISE, AS THE PROPERTY VALUES RISE, AND PEOPLE FIND THEMSELVES WITH FEWER AND FEWER RESOURCES TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, REALLY SOLID PUBLIC POLICY REASONS TO GIVE THIS AS AN OPTION TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL HAPPENED AT THE PUBLIC

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ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

SEE NONE.

CASE NUMBER

[17. 24-960 A City Plan Commission authorized hearing to determine the appropriate zoning for the area to include but not limited to uses, development standards, and other appropriate regulations in an area generally bounded by River Oaks Road to the north, Union Pacific Railroad to the east, McCommas Bluff Road to the south, and Julius Schepps Freeway to the west, and containing approximately 522.18 acres. Staff Recommendation: Approval, of an A(A) Agricultural District; a CR Community Retail District; an LI Light Industrial District; an R-1/2 ac(A) Single Family District; an R-1 ac(A) Single Family District; an amendment to Planned Development District No. 778; an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 773 for a metal processing facility for a permanent time period, to provide an expiration date that is five years from the date the zoning is approved; and termination of deed restrictions (D.R. Z067-152). Planner: Sef Okoth, AICP U/A From: March 7, 2024. Council District: 8 Z189-341(OTH)]

17.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, JUST AN UPDATE ON NUMBER 17.

I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THE LAST TIME WE ARE READY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, CAN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION? OH, WE'RE NOT YET.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

UH, SO THIS IS CASE NUMBER 0 180 9 DASH 3 4 1, UH, AN AUTHORIZED HEARING FOR THE FLORAL FARM AREA.

THIS CASE HAD BEEN BRIEF IN THE LAST, UH, CPC MEETING.

UH, SO WHAT I'M GONNA TRY TO DO IS JUST GO OVER SOME OF THE NEW INFORMATION AND DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS COME UP SINCE WE LAST DID THE BRIEFING.

I AM GONNA GO ALL OVER THROUGH THAT AND GOES TO, SO SINCE, UH, THE, THE CASE WAS BRIEFED TO THE COMMISSION, UH, WE HAD AN APPLICATION THAT CAME IN FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, INITIALLY WE JUST HAD A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT TOLD US WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

UH, IT WAS GOING TO BE OUTSIDE STORAGE.

SO IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE DID PROVIDE PROVISION TO INCREASE, UH, SIDE SETBACKS AND, UH, RARE SETBACKS, UH, FROM 20 FEET TO 30 FEET.

ALSO TO PROVIDE SCREENING AND LIMIT THE HEIGHT OF ANY NEW STORAGE FACILITY TO 40 FEET.

UH, WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THEY HAVE SPECIFICALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY WANT TO DO CROP PRODUCTION, WHICH IS AN AGRICULTURAL USE.

UH, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO AMEND THE PD, UH, TO CONFORM TO THE APPLICANT'S INTENDED USE OF, UH, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND ANY USES THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION IN THE PD.

UH, WE SUPPORT REMOVING THOSE.

THE OTHER ISSUE THAT CAME UP DURING THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, OR WE WERE ASKED WHETHER WE HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY-LED PLAN THAT EXISTS IN THIS AREA.

AND YES, WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SUMMARY RESEMBLANCE TO THE PROPOSAL THAT STAFF IS MEETING FOR ZONING RECOMMENDATION.

UH, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT, UH, WE DID NOTICE WAS THAT THEY USE TERMINOLOGIES THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY IN OUR ZONING CODE.

UH, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION ALIGNS WITH THE, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS JUST THE TERMINOLOGIES THAT ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY DID RECOMMEND MOST OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING INDUSTRIAL USE TO BE, UH, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL.

THAT'S JUST A COMPARISON, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LED LAND

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USE VISION AND VERSUS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING FOR THE AREA.

I WANTED TO SHARE THIS SLIDE BECAUSE IT'S, I TOOK THIS DIRECTLY FROM THE SPEAKER THAT DID PRESENT THE SLIDE.

SO THE, THE, THE MEETING, UH, IT'S KIND OF SPECIFIES HOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY RECOGNIZE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED MOST OF THEIR CONCERN.

THIS IS EXACT LANGUAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THOSE SLIDE.

UH, THEY DO HAVE JUST ONE OUTSTANDING ISSUE WITH THE INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE AREA, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY FEEL LIKE WE DID LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND ADDRESS THEM IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER SLIDE THAT WAS SHARED, UH, BY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, AND IT IS SAY, MOST OF THE USERS THAT EXIST IN THIS AREA DO NOT NEED INDUSTRIAL ALLI ZONING.

UH, OUR RESPONSE TO THAT IS THAT THIS IS A LAND USE MAP THAT WE DEVELOPED.

IT IS BASED OFF OUR OFFICIAL PAPER RECORDS FROM, UM, THE BI THAT'S POLICY.

IT'S ALSO BASED OFF MAINLY FROM THE CEO OFFICIALS CERTIFICATE OF OUR OPERATION THAT THE BUSINESS OWNERS DO OBTAIN FROM THE CITY.

SO YES, IT IS TRUE.

SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE REPRESENTED HERE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY CORRESPOND TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND, BUT WE GO OFF OUR OFFICIAL CITY RECORDS.

UH, THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT IS THERE WAS A MENTION THAT MOST OF THESE USERS DO NOT REQUIRE LI THE K BE OPERATED WITH THE OTHER DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THAT IS TRUE.

BUT IN OUR ANALYSIS WE DID CONSIDER THAT AND WE COMPARED THE DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, RR REGIONAL RETAIL, CR, COMMUNITY RETAIL AND CS COM COMMERCIAL SERVICE.

AND WE DID A SIDE BY SIDE USE CHART COMPARISON AND MADE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON WHAT WE FELT BY BEST MEETS THE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY AND ALIGN WITH THE COMMUNITY VISION.

THERE WAS ALSO MENTION OF THIS SLIDE WHERE THEY SAID THAT MOST OF THESE USES ACTUALLY DO NOT NEED, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

UH, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THESE USERS ARE ALLOWED EITHER IN INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING OR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH, MOST OF THEM HAVE GUARDRAILS FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR ZONING PROPOSAL ERROR TO STAFF OR TO THIS BODY TO MAKE A DECISION.

UH, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED IF WE DO LI SO THE, THE, THE, THE RESPONSE TO THAT IS THEY ARE BASING OFF, UH, THE PROPOSITION BASED ON EXISTING USES.

ZONING IS ABOUT THE FUTURE VISION, THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THIS AREA.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON WHAT THIS AREA COULD BE, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL CASES WHERE THEY FELT THAT THE USES THAT DO EXIST, THE BUSINESSES THAT DO EXIST HERE HAVE, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING, BUT THEY COULD, UH, EASILY BE UNDERTAKEN.

THOSE OPERATION COULD EASILY BE UNDERTAKEN UNDER REGIONAL RETAIL COMMERCIAL SERVICE OR, UH, OR, UH, COMMERCIAL SERVICE OR COMMUNITY RETAIL.

AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE DID DO A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE DIFFERENT USES COMPARING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL VERSUS THOSE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND WE MADE OUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON WHAT WE FELT BASED, ALIGNED WITH THE COMMUNITY VISION, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANT.

AND I'M GONNA BE SHARING WITH YOU A USE CHAT AND NOT, YOU KNOW, VERY SOON THAT SHOWS THE COMPARISON THAT WE DID.

THE OTHER ISSUE THAT CAME UP IS A LOT OF THE USERS IN THIS AREA DO GET CEOS, BUT THEN THEY END UP DOING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RELATED TO THE CEO THAT THEY HAVE.

THAT'S A MAJOR ISSUE.

I KNOW A LOT OF QUESTIONS WERE ASKED HERE ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION IS A PROBLEM, THIS AREA IS A MESS.

IT'S VERY HARD TO TELL WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.

THESE ARE VERY LARGE TRACKS OF LANDS THAT ARE FENCED OFF.

UH, SO IN TERMS OF WHETHER THEY ARE ABIDING BY THE CEOS THAT THEY HAVE, THAT IS SOMETHING FOR BUILDING INSPECTION AND CODE COMPLIANCE.

UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT FALLS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO UNDER AUTHORIZED HEARING.

BUT WE'D HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER BLAIR ABOUT THIS.

AND, UH, I, I AM SURE THAT SHE HAS A PLAN TO DEAL WITH.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY MUCH AWARE OF.

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SHE'S VERY PLUGGED IN INTO WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND, AND SHE DOES, HAS A PLAN.

I DON'T WANT TO PREEMPT WHAT HER PLAN IS OR RATHER YOU HEAR IT FROM HER ITSELF.

AGAIN, THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, AN OPERATION, A BUSINESS THAT HAS ONE CEO, THAT HAS A CEO THAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN THEY END UP DOING SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S VERY COMMON HERE.

AGAIN, UH, THAT'S A BUILDING INSPECTION AND CALLED COMPLIANCE ISSUE.

SO JUST IN GENERAL, UH, MAJORITY OF THE USES THAT YOU SEE HERE, YES, THEY CAN OPERATE WITH RR AND CR ZONING, BUT IN OUR ANALYSIS WE FIND THAT CR IS USUALLY USED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL DISTRICT, AN AREA THAT IS SMALL ENOUGH TO JUST SUPPORT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH NORMALLY SUPPORTS, UH, COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING BUSINESSES AND PERSONAL SERVICES.

SO THE DECISION TO NOT ZONE THIS INTO CR IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ACREAGE HERE.

AND I THINK AT THE LAST, UH, HEARING I DID MENTION THAT WE, WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA THAT CAN ONLY SUPPORT SO MANY ACREAGE OF RETAIL.

UH, WE FELT LIKE ZONING ALL THIS AREA INTO CR WOULD NOT BE VIABLE.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LOT OF ACREAGE, UH, IN, UH, VIBRANT WHEN YOU HAVE VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THE CUSTOMER BASE.

UH, THE OTHER POSSIBLE USE THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY CONSIDER HERE IS, UM, REGIONAL RETAIL.

AND REGIONAL RETAIL TYPICALLY IS APPLIED IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT'S ALREADY VIBRANT.

THERE'S ALREADY MOMENTUM GOING ON.

IT DRAWS FROM MORE THAN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU WANT TO DRAW PEOPLE FROM FAR AND WIDE, SOME EVEN OUTSIDE THE CITY.

A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE THE GALLERIA, UH, OR NORTH PARK MALL OR BISHOP ARTS.

WE JUST DON'T THINK THIS AREA IS THERE YET.

AND IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO ZONE THIS AREA AS REGIONAL RETAIL.

THAT LEAVES US WITH CS AND LI.

AND WE DID DO A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO USES.

AND OUR STUDY SHOWED THAT CS IS MORE INTENSIVE.

IT HAS MORE OF THE USES THAT THE COMMUNITY IS OPPOSED TO WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO LI.

AND SO LI IS THE LESS INTENSE USE AS COMPARED TO CS.

AND I THINK IN SUMMARY, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU.

UH, WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION BECAUSE THIS HAD BEEN BRIEFED.

WE DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU SUPPORT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE IT.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT, UM, UPDATE.

CAN YOU, WELL, LET'S START WITH WHERE, WHERE YOUR, YOUR CURSOR WAS.

CAN YOU LEAVE THAT UP FOR ME PLEASE? AND, AND YOU HAD, THAT WAS UNDER THAT PD 7 78, THAT PD 7 78 IN WHICH WAS CONSIDERED MORE APPROPRIATE SINCE THE, THE APPLICANT ON THE SEVENTH CAME IN AND REQUESTED A, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AGREE AMENDMENT AND WE GRANTED IT, UM, THAT THAT IS MORE CLOSELY, UM, ASSOCIATED OR CLOSELY OR MORE NEAR RESIDENTIAL USE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES, IT IS.

THEY, SO CHANGING THAT TO MAKE THAT ALIGN WITH WHAT THEY ASKED FOR WOULD BE THE, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL USE, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.

SO, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LITTLE AREA THAT IS CR THAT IS, WELL LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY.

IN THIS TRACK OF LAND, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY REAL CR APPLICATIONS THAT ARE THRIVING TODAY? THAT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE IN AS FAR AS RETAIL IS CONCERNED, I, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR VISUAL INSPECTION, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY THRIVING BUSINESS IN THAT LOCATION.

THEY ALREADY DID HAVE CS THAT ALLOWED THEM TO DO WHATEVER THEY DO.

SO IT WAS A COMMERCIAL

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DISTRICT.

THEY DO HAVE, I THINK LIKE CONVENIENCE STORE, YOU KNOW, WE DROVE THE AREA A LOT.

WE ONLY SEE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE GO IN.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THRIVING BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A THRIVING RETAIL DISTRICT.

AND IN FACT, ONE OF OUR CONCERN WAS THAT MAYBE WE ARE ALLOCATING TOO MUCH LAND FOR RETAIL IN THIS AREA FOR THE EXISTING POPULATION TO SUPPORT.

IS THERE NOT, IS IT NOT CORRECT THAT YOU DO HAVE ONE TRACK OF LAND? UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT.

COMMISSION, I THINK I KNOW THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS 92 25, 90, 93 SOUTH CENTRAL, 93 25 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT IS IT NOT TRUE THE, THE APPLICANT HAS ADJACENT PROPERTY.

WELL THE, NO, IT'S NOT APPLICANT.

THE PROPERTY OWNER OF 93 25 HAS ADJACENCY THAT IS GOING TO REMAIN AGRICULTURAL AND THEY WOULD WISH TO KEEP THIS ONE THE SAME.

YES, THE PROPERTY OWNER DID REACH OUT TO US AND POINTED OUT THAT HE OWNS, UH, PROPERTIES THAT EXIST IN THE SAME TRACK OF LAND AND HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAD INITIALLY ZONED IT FROM CS TO SIERRA AND HE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE SAME CONSISTENCY WITH THE OTHER TRACK OF LAND THAT HE HAS.

SO WE DID DISCUSS THIS AND WE ARE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO A MOTION, WE ARE FREE AND WE SUPPORT THE CHANGE OF USE FROM WHAT WE RECOMMENDED CR TO AG AGRICULTURAL USE.

AND IS IT NOT CORRECT THAT OVER IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THE ONLY TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT IS THRIVE IS OPERATING IS UM, UM, NURSERIES? YES.

ADJUSTING TO THAT PROPERTY IS A BUSINESS THAT HAS EXISTED FOR A WHILE.

WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF NURSERIES AND UH, PLANT GARDENS I THINK THAT DO EXIST, WHICH IS AGRICULTURAL USE.

AND WE ARE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF CHANGING THE USE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO CONFORM TO THE USE THAT THE NURSERY HAS AND THE NURSE, WHICH IS AGRICULTURAL.

SO AGRICULTURE WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THAT, THAT LOCATION, CORRECT.

GIVEN THAT ENCY YES, IT WOULD BE AND IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER AROUND THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S, THAT'S SURROUNDING THAT, THAT AREA.

IN SOME PARTS, YES, THERE'S A PORTION OF THAT LAND THAT AB BUT THE RESIDENTIAL USE AND IT WOULD PROVIDE A BUFFER.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

NOW LET ME GO TO THE UGLY PART.

THE, UM, THE LI IS IT NOT CORRECT THAT ON AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO DOWN CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, UM, EAST AND WEST ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

THERE IS NO REAL RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

THERE IS NO, NO CHALLENGES TO, UM, CHALLENGE THE, THE ZONING OF LA IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES, EAST OF CENTRAL, UH, A NORTH OF SIMPSON STEWARD.

MM-HMM THERE IS NO PRESIDENTIAL USE.

AND SO THE ADJUST OR YOU KNOW, THE NEGATIVE OR NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL OR HEALTH IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS WOULD REALLY NOT EXIST BECAUSE THAT'S NOBODY THAT IS LIVING THERE.

AND LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

UM, THE LI DESIGNATION THAT IS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY THAT DOES HAVE RESIDENTIAL A, UH, PROXIMITY.

THAT DO EXIST NORTH OF THAT SEGMENT OF LI AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS ZONED AG.

OR ADJACENCY.

UM, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF BUFFERING OFF OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT PROTECTS SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL IF IT'S ALREADY ZONED AG? YES, WE DO HAVE A PROPERTY THAT ACTUALLY WE DID INTENTIONALLY ZONE AG AND THEN THE COMMUNITY ASKED US TO CHANGE IT TO CR AND THE REASON FOR DOING THAT WAS TO BUFFER THE CLUSTER OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES

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SO THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT AB ABOUTS LI IN THAT SECTION? NONE IS IT.

SO IS IT NOT CORRECT THAT IF ANYBODY WANTED TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING IN THE AG SECTION, THEY HAVE, IT HAS TO, THE ZONING DESIGNATION ALREADY REQUIRES IT TO BE THREE ACRES BEFORE IT COULD BE, UM, BEFORE THE UTILIZATION OF THE LAND, CORRECT? YOU'RE CORRECT.

SO FOR AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT YOU REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF THREE ACRES TO BUILD A RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

SO ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AT LEAST THREE ACRES UNDER AGRICULTURAL ZONE DISTRICT WOULD ACTUALLY BECOME NONCONFORMING IF THEY WERE TO BUILD.

UM, I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROVED BECAUSE YOU REQUIRE AT LEAST THREE ACRES.

I THINK YOU JUST OF LAND TO DO THAT.

YOU JUST ANSWERED MY NEXT QUESTION.

SO THAT EVEN IF THEY DID NOT HAVE THE THREE ACRES, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT? THEY WOULDN'T, OKAY.

AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

UM, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THE, THAT ACTUALLY ARE USING THE LI DISTRICT, UM, I BELIEVE I HEARD IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION UPDATE THAT THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY, UM, OPERATING AS TO WHAT THEIR COS ARE REQUIRING.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WE'VE CHECKED AND CONFIRMED THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT THE EXPERTS ON USE DETERMINATION, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A BI ISSUE.

BUT WE HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE, UH, AND WERE HAD WORKED IN BI AND TO THE BEST OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE THEY THINK THAT MAYBE THEY ARE OPERATING OUTSIDE OF THEIR CEOS, THEY'RE NOT CONFORMING TO THE CEO THAT THEY HAVE.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE A CALL THAT OUR TEAM WOULD BE THE ONES TO MAKE THAT WOULD BE EITHER ZONING OR BUILDING OFFICIAL TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

SO THE PROCESS IN WHICH WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF LAND BASED ON THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND SO, BUT LET ME, LET ME GO JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

IF THEY'RE OPERATING WITHIN THEIR CO BASED ON WHAT THE OP THE PROPOSED ZONING IS, THEI ZONING IS, UM, THERE'S NO PROBLEM.

THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM, I'VE MET WITH A NUMBER OF BUSINESS OWNERS.

SO IF THEY'RE, WHAT I'M SAYING, IF THEY'RE OPERATING BASED ON WHAT THEIR CLASSIFICATION, THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS AND THE CO THAT THEY HAVE, THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM.

THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM.

AND THEY WOULD BE CONFIRMING AND THEY WOULD BE LEGAL AND THERE, IF THEY'RE NOT THEN, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROCESS TO TO ADDRESS THAT.

CORRECT? YES, THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER PROCESS THAT WOULD FALL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE DO WITH THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.

IT WOULD FALL UNDER EITHER CODE COMPLIANCE OR BI.

SO THEN LET ME, LET ME GO, LET ME CHANGE SUBJECTS FOR A SECOND.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN WORKING ON THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING? WE'VE SPENT, TECHNICALLY WE'VE SPENT ABOUT A YEAR OR SO.

SO YOU GUYS DID, BUT THERE WERE, THERE WAS WORK THAT WAS HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SHINGLES MOUNTAIN AND WE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THOSE MEETING, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAPPENING WITH OUR DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THIS.

SO WHEN WE CAME IN, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IS WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH THIS COMMUNITY OR WORKING ON THE ISSUES ON THIS AREA.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING HERE FOR A WHILE.

SO LET ME MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU, YOU, YOU CAN APPRECIATE.

YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE BEFORE I WAS A, A, A CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.

IT'S BEEN GOING ON BEFORE I JOINED THE TEAM FOR A LONG TIME, AT LEAST FIVE YEARS.

SO IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, HAS THERE BEEN COMMUNITY OUTREACH, NOT ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IMPACTED WITHIN THIS, THIS, THIS AREA? THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF OUTREACH AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO ME JOINING, UH, THE TEAM ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I KNOW, UH, PERSONALLY AS THE PART OF

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I'VE HAD ACTUALLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO INSIDE SOME OF THE BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE A LOOK AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FALL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS AREA.

BUT I'VE HAD THE EXPERIENCE TO MEET A NUMBER OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TOO.

AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF DEVELOPED RAPPORT, RAPPORT WE TALK.

I KNOW IN THE LAST, UH, HEARING, UH, THERE WAS A MENTION THAT STAFF HAD NOT ENGAGED THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR PD 7 78.

I DO HAVE SEVERAL EMAILS OF SAT DOWN WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AT MEETINGS AND THE, YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN WE MET THEM, THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WERE HAVING CHALLENGES GETTING PERMITS TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.

AND IN FACT, IN THOSE MEETINGS WE WERE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY INTEND TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR AND, UH, WE, WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.

AND IN FACT, WE HAD EVEN ORGANIZED FOR THEM TO MEET WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE TRINITY WATERSHED THAT MANAGES STORM WATER AND FLOOD ZONES AND PUBLIC WORKS AND, YOU KNOW, THE SYRIA BO AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ENGINEERING SO THAT THEY COULD ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAVE THAT FELL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.

SO WE'VE ORGANIZED THOSE MEETING, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM, YOU KNOW, AND DON CAN CONFIRM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MET TO THE PROPERTY OWNER SEVERAL TIME AND NOT JUST THOSE, I GET CORRESPONDENCE FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT EMAIL ME, EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN SHOWING TO THE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH US.

AND TODAY WE JUST MET ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT FLEW ALL THE WAY FROM DETROIT TO COME.

SO WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES, PROPERTY OWNERS, COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, AND COMMUNITY LEADERS.

SO, UM, CAN I ASK MS. GILLIS A QUESTION? PLEASE.

, AS FAR AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS CONCERNED, AND YOU MAY WANNA STAY CLOSE.

AGAIN, PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN, IS IT NOT ACCURATE THAT, UM, ONE OF THE VERY SOMEBODY KEEPS TURNING ME OFF.

I WONDER WHY, UM, IS IT NOT ACCURATE? ONE OF THE VERY, UM, FIRST COMMUNITY MEETINGS AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, NOT THE BEGINNING, BUT AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, UM, WAS AT SINGING HILLS REC CENTER.

AND THERE WAS ABOUT 60, 70 PEOPLE, BOTH RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.

AND DID WE NOT, DID WE NOT ALSO MEET WITH THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS AREA FOR, FOR DALLAS? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, DID WE NOT HAVE AN ARO AN EXTREMELY ROBUST, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN WHICH EVERYBODY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHAT THEIR DESIRES WERE.

WE HAVE, AND WE'VE HAD THOSE MEETINGS IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME SPANISH SPEAKERS THAT WERE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETINGS AS WELL.

AND THOSE, AND, AND WHAT IS IT NOT ACCURATE THAT, UM, WHEN THE COMES DOWN TO WE, WE EVEN LOOKED AT ENVIRONMENTAL, CORRECT? UM, BOTH AT, FOR IN FOR DALLAS AS WELL AS IN THE AUTHORIZED HEARING? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND IS IT NOT ACCURATE IN LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND TODAY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE WORKING ALONG THE LINES OF THE ZONING AND OR THEIR CEO? WE ARE, WE DID LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND LOOK AT WHAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO MANAGE THE MOVING THIS FORWARD WITH HAVING NOT ONLY THE BUSINESSES, UM, MIND THEIR, THEIR, THEIR OPPORTUNITIES AT FOREFRONT, AS WELL AS WHAT IMPACTS IT WOULD COST TO THE CITY OF DALLAS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH MAY NOT, WHICH HAVE ALREADY MAYBE BEEN DEVELOPED AND, AND OCCUPIED BY AN ACTIVE USE.

WE TOOK ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PORTIONS OF THE AREA WAS UNDEVELOPED, WHAT PORTIONS OF THE AREA STILL HAD TREE CANOPY, WHICH PORTIONS OF THE AREA MAY HAVE CREEKS RUNNING THROUGH THEM,

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UM, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPONENT DIDN'T NECESSARILY START OUT AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE DISCUSSION A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT WE DEFINITELY BROUGHT THAT FURTHER INTO THE CONVERSATION, UM, AS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE WAY THAT IT IS.

SO IF WE DID ANYTHING DIFFERENT, AND AS I KNOW THAT SOME OF MY COMMISSIONERS WOULD WISH THAT WE WOULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, CAN YOU SHARE WITH US IF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE TO WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE ALL? WELL, NOTHING IS GONNA TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING.

NOTHING, NOTHING THAT WE DO IS GONNA SATISFY EVERYBODY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

BUT DOES THIS, IN YOUR OPINION, UM, TAKE, DO TAKE THE BEST OF THE WORST AND THE BEST OF THE BEST AND, AND PUT IT IN FRONT OF US TODAY? I WOULD SAY THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT, YES.

IT'S, IT'S A VERY COMPLEX AREA WITH VERY COMPLEX ISSUES.

UM, AND WE'VE TRIED TO PRESENT SORT OF A BEST PATH FORWARD FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

AND LET ME, CAN I ASK YOU THIS IN, AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE WITH FORT DALLAS, YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY, AND YOU'VE LOOKED INTENSELY AT THE SOUTHERN AREA OF DALLAS.

UM, DISTRICT EIGHT HAS A VERY UNIQUE, UM, MAKEUP RIGHT ALONG THIS AREA, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT OFF OF THE TRINITY FOREST AND FIVE MILE CREEK.

, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, ANY OTHER AREA IN THE CITY DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THAT SAME MAKEUP.

IS THAT NOT, THAT HAS THE SAME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THERE ARE A COUPLE SIMILAR AREAS.

UM, ONE OF THEM ALSO BEING IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, UM, AND ANOTHER BEING ON, YOU KNOW, WEST SIDE OF DALLAS, IN WEST DALLAS, WHERE I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME SIMILAR CONDITIONS, MAYBE NOT.

WELL ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL SITUATION, SAME, SOME SIMILAR SIMILARITIES.

UM, AND YES, WE'VE TRIED TO BE VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS.

AND I, I, WELL, AND I CAN ASK THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE, WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK, AND I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO PRES TO PRESERVE WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHETHER THEY'RE, WHATEVER.

SO LET ME, LET ME TALK TO MR. RAINS FOR A SECOND.

THANK YOU, MS. GILES.

IS TURQUOISE MOST OF THE TIME IS BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY GONE THROUGH A GEOLOGICAL FILTRATION PROCESS.

UM, MR. RAINS, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE LOOKED AT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND WHAT DID YOU SEE? YES.

UM, I'M COMING FROM A LONG RANGE, UH, PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PAST AS WELL AS THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND MY ROLE IN FORWARD DIALYSIS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE THEME.

SO, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT THE THINGS IN SMART GROWTH DALLAS, AS WELL AS CCAP AND THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN, UM, I CAN'T REALLY HEAR YOU, SO CAN'T HEAR ME THAT WELL.

I'M SO SORRY.

UM, BASICALLY, UM, THANK YOU, SETH.

WHAT I'M SAYING.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

THAT'S GOOD.

FROM A LONG RANGE PERSPECTIVE, UH, IT'S UNDERSTANDING, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD UNDERSTANDING THAT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT SETTLED HERE IN THE 1870S AND EIGHTIES, UH, WERE PREDOMINANTLY FARMERS, AND THEY UNDERSTOOD WHERE THE GOOD SOIL WAS.

SO THE ALLUVIAL SOIL THAT WE HAVE FROM THE TRINITY FLOODPLAIN, AS WELL AS FIVE MILE CREEK, BASICALLY, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE AGRICULTURE AS THE PRIMARY BASE TYPE OF, OF LAND USE.

UH, ONE THING I DO WANNA MENTION THOUGH THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, QUARRY THAT YOU SEE THERE, THE, THE FORMER QUARRY THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED, UH, EVERY TIME I LOOK AT THAT VERY CAREFULLY ON, ON, UH, GOOGLE EARTH, AND, UH, AND GOING BACK TO MY GEOLOGICAL ROOTS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL ROOTS, I REALIZED SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THAT QUARRY.

UH, WE HAVE AUSTIN SHOCK FOUNDATION, WHICH IS A LIMESTONE FOUNDATION UNDERNEATH DALLAS IN THIS PORTION.

UH, THE REASON THAT WATER

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WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, POTENTIALLY, IF IT WEREN'T FOR SOME LEACHING IN SOME OTHER INDUSTRIES, MIGHT BE THE CLEANEST WATER IN THE CITY.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT PARTICULAR WATER IS NOT, THERE'S NO STREAM GOING INTO THIS, INTO THIS, UH, FORMER QUARRY.

THERE'S NO FLOOD WATER GOING SPILLING UP AND OVER INTO IT.

ALL THAT WATER THAT YOU SEE, INCLUDING THE DROUGHT YEARS, IS WATER THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE STRATA OF THE BEDROCK.

AND SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT'S, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR QUARRY, IT MAY NOT BE USED AS A QUARRY ANYMORE, BUT, UH, THE ACTUAL WATER SOURCE IN IT, IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY CLEAR AND ACTUALLY KIND OF ALWAYS FLOWING THROUGH.

SO, UM, I SEE IT AS NOT SOMETHING I WOULD GO AND DRINK OUT OF, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT PERFECT TYPE OF SOIL AND YOU HAVE CLEAN WATER THAT'S ALWAYS IN MOTION COMING THROUGH THIS AREA, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THOSE NATURAL ASSETS SHOULD NOT BE OVERLOOKED.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A, A WATER SOURCE.

IF I HAD 30 ACRES OF, OF, OF RELATIVELY CLEAN WATER, I WOULD TRY TO THINK OF WAYS EITHER TO TAP INTO IT OR USE IT FOR EITHER FOR OR SOME TYPE OF PRODUCTIVE LAND USE LIKE AGRICULTURE OR A WILDLIFE BENEFIT OF SOME SORT.

BUT I, I WANTED TO JUST MENTION THAT BECAUSE, UM, I'VE, I'VE LOOKED ALL OVER DALLAS.

I CANNOT FIND A, A, A PARTICULAR WATER BODY THAT DOESN'T CONSTANTLY, THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS RELATIVELY FULL.

IT DOES IN THE DROUGHT YEARS.

IF YOU LOOK AT GOOGLE EARTH FROM FEBRUARY OF 2014, YOU'LL SEE WHITE, I'M SORRY, YOU'LL SEE LAKE RAY HOVER AT 30 FEET DOWN.

YOU'LL SEE A LEMON LAKE CLOSE BY PY PRESERVE BONE DRY, YOU'LL SEE WATER IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, WHICH IS AMAZING.

SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT THE WATER'S NOT COMING FROM ABOVE THE WATER'S COMING FROM BELOW.

IT'S, UH, I, I JUST WANTED TO SHED LIGHT ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE DON'T TEND TO LOOK AT GEOLOGY.

WE DON'T TEND TO THINK ABOUT, UH, HOW OUR NATURAL RESOURCES AND HOW OUR NATURAL ASSETS MIGHT HELP SHAPE, UM, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE.

BUT I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT THIS, THIS WAS, UH, THEY DIDN'T LIVE IN THESE PLACES BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BE FLOODED OUT.

THEY LIVED HERE BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT WAS WHERE THE BEST SOIL WAS.

UH, I'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD PHOTOGRAPHS AND THINGS OF, OF, OF, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN BEING USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, FLORAL FARMS AS WELL AS CHOPPY OR BOTH THOSE TYPE OF COMMUNITIES.

AND SO I JUST WANNA SHED OUT ON THAT NOW, IF YOU HAVE A MORE SPECIFIC QUESTION.

BUT I THINK THAT WATER QUALITY, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, SHOULD BE SOMEWHAT REVERED.

AGAIN, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE, I DON'T HAVE THE SCIENCE IN FRONT OF ME.

I CAN ONLY JUST TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE AND LOOKING AT UNDERSTANDING HOW ALLUVIAL SOILS WORK, UNDERSTANDING HOW HORIZONTAL, UH, MOVEMENT OF, OF, OF WATER THROUGH THE LIMESTONE BEDROCK.

UM, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

THIS IS NOT A FOUL WATER UNLESS WE'VE FOULED IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

YES, MY, UH, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF STRAIGHT ALLY ZONING.

WHILE I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT CR AND RRR ARE NOT, DO NOT REALLY FIT THE AREA AND OF THE IRLI AND CS, THAT ALLY IS THE BEST OF THE CHOICES.

UM, WHAT IT CON, THE CONCERN THAT BRINGS TO ME IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE AN AREA THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN THE PLACE WHERE WE HAVE DIRECTED AND AGGREGATED SOME OF THE MORE INTRUSIVE INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES, THE STRAIGHT ALLI ZONING STILL ALLOWS, USES THAT IN MY OPINION, COULD, COULD REALLY PERPETUATE THE NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, FROM MY LOOKING AT THE USE CHARTS, YOU COULD STILL HAVE, I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU CLEANED OUT EVERY SINGLE, UH, BUSINESS OPERATING THERE TODAY, YOU COULD HAVE BUS OR RAIL TRANSIT VEHICLE MAINTENANCE OR STORAGE FACILITIES GO IN MACHINERY HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR TRUCK SALES AND SERVICE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING, WHICH COULD MEAN ACRES AND ACRES AND ACRES OF, OF DIESEL TRUCKS, PARKING.

YOU COULD HAVE TRUCK STOP, ALTHOUGH THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP, YOU COULD HAVE COMMERCIAL BUS STATION AND TERMINAL FREIGHT TERMINALS AND OUTSIDE STORAGE WITH VISUAL SCREENING.

SO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE DECISION TO PURSUE STRAIGHT ALLIES ZONING HERE AS A MECHANISM FOR LIFTING THIS AREA UP.

IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE POTENTIAL HERE FOR A CONTINUATION OF THESE INTRUSIVE USES.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

I, I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE DID DISCUSS AFTER THE MEETING BECAUSE IT CAME UP AT THE LAST HEARING.

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AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS JUST UNIQUE TO THIS AREA.

THE ISSUE IS MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING SALE, OTHER AUTHORIZED HEARING, AND THEY MAY END UP WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAVE LI SO HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THOSE? YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA BE DOING PDS FOR EVERY ZONING CASE THAT HAS LI ZONING DISTRICT? AND THE SOLUTION THAT WE ARE THINKING THE STAFF IS CURRENTLY THINKING OF IS MAYBE WE, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNE TIME BECAUSE WE, WE ARE CURRENTLY AMENDING OUR CODE.

THE CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS MAYBE SHOULD LOOK AT SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN LI DISTRICT.

AND IF THE CONCERN IS MAYBE SOME OF THE USERS THAT ARE MORE INTENSIVE OR ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPACTFUL, OR MAYBE WAREHOUSES THAT HAVE LARGE FOOTPRINTS, IF THOSE ARE MAJOR ISSUES, THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE CODE AMENDMENT.

UH, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES CARE OF THE ISSUES CITYWIDE, NOT JUST A ONE-OFF SOLUTION.

AND I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION THIS WEEK WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR STAFF, IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN BROUGHT ATTENTION TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PERSON LEADING THE CODE AMENDMENT.

AND SHE'S IN AGREEMENT THAT IT SHOULD LOOK AT SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED, NOT JUST IN LI YOU KNOW, THESE ISSUES DO EXIST IN OTHER ZONING DISTRICT.

IF THERE ARE USES THAT EXIST IN THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT AREN'T APPROPRIATE FOR THEM, THEY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE CODE AMENDMENT AND NOT A ONE-OFF.

I I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A, A STRAIGHT ZONING CATEGORY AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, THAT THAT EFFECTIVELY TRANSITIONS THESE AREAS AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, AN INDUSTRIAL HEAVY COMMERCIAL PASS.

BUT WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS WHAT, WHAT WE ARE DELIVERING TO THE FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW, AND I, I'M, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET A CHANCE AT AN AUTHORIZED HEARING VERY OFTEN.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GET IN THE QUEUE.

IT'S A LOT OF STAFF WORK.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS, IS DELIVERING OPTIMAL RESULTS NOW AND NOT, I MEAN, A CODE AMENDMENT TO DELIVER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

SO WAS THERE, I KNOW STAFF IS GENERALLY AVERSE TO, TO PDS, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO, TO LOOKING AT A PD FOR THESE ALLY PARCELS THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THROUGH A CODE AMENDMENT DOWN THE ROAD TO REMOVE SOME OF THESE MORE INTRUSIVE USES? I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT'S TRUE.

WE HAVE SOME HESITATION GOING THE PD ROUTE BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATION THAT USUALLY COMES TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE PD IS IMPLEMENTED, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPOSING BURDENS, MORE BURDEN TO INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAN THEY ACTUALLY THINK.

AND WE DID YOU DO A USE COMPARISON FOR A LOT OF THE USES? UH, GEORGE CAN, CAN YOU PULL UP, THERE'S A SLIDE THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SHOW YOU.

I JUST SOMEHOW HE CAN SEE IT AND I CAN SEE IT.

GEORGE, GEORGE CAN CAN YOU SHARE THAT USE COMPARISON CHART? YEAH.

SO IN THAT, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE GUARDRAILS THAT ARE BUILT IN FOR A LOT OF THESE USES LIKE WAREHOUSES AND SOME OF THESE POLLUTING USES THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED, UH, MOST OF THE TIME THEY EITHER COME FOR STAFF REVIEW OR MOST OF THEM COME ACTUALLY TO THIS BODY TO TAKE A LOOK.

AND SO IT IS UP TO YOU TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE WAREHOUSES OR THE INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE USES OR THE METAL S SALVAGE.

UH, THIS CHART KIND OF COMPARES.

I DID TAKE, UH, A USE CHART AND IDENTIFY THE USES WHERE WE HAVE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN SCS AND LI AND I DID NOT CONSIDER, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALLOWED IN BOTH DISTRICTS, JUST WHERE YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENCE.

AND I WANT YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT ON THE, THE, THE, THE, THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE USES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN EXPRESSING CONCERN THAT ARE CONCENTRATED IN THESE AREAS WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER CS.

AND SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNDER CS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, LI RESTRICTS A LOT OF THOSE.

LIKE, UM, THE MOST COMMON ONE, I THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE STORAGE IN THAT IS THE MOST ABUSE ONE OF ALL OF THEM.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET PERMITS FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE AND THEN THEY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY CAN PARK TRUCKS AROUND AND DO THEIR OPERATION INSIDE.

THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED UNDER LI BUT IT'LL BE ALLOWED UNDER CS.

AND SO THIS CHART IS WHAT INFORMED OUR DECISION TO GO WITH LI AS OPPOSED TO CS.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE AND I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS HOW WE GO ABOUT

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IT.

SHOULD WE EXPEDITE THE PROCESS OF REMOVING THAT CHANGE? BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE.

WE'VE LOOKED AT OUR AUTHORIZED HEARING AND I THINK A NUMBER OF THEM ARE GONNA HAVE THAT ISSUE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THE NEXT CASE MIGHT HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT COMPREHENSIVELY AND ADDRESSED ALL AT ONCE RATHER THAN PIECEMEAL ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

IT'S TRUE.

SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THIS DISTRICT CAN BE CONCERNING, ESPECIALLY IN AN AREA WHERE THEY'VE BEEN ABUSED LIKE THIS.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS, UH, A CONFORMANCE ISSUE HERE.

YOU KNOW, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE PULL C TO DO ONE THING AND THEN THEY DO THE OTHER THING.

YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.

I, I HAVE A, A RELATED QUE OR A ONE DIFFERENT QUESTION, I GUESS, UH, FOR PD 7 78 IS STAFF ALTERING THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IS IN OUR DOCKET? YES.

WE, WE ARE NOT ALTERING, BUT WE TALKED TO THE COMMISSIONER TO MOVE A MOTION TO ALTER THE USE SO THAT WE JUST, I MEAN, AND IT'S UP TO HER TO DECIDE HOW SHE WANTS TO DO IT BECAUSE BY THE TIME THE INFORMATION CAME TO US, WE ALREADY SENT OUT A REPORT.

AND SO WHAT WE FELT LIKE THE BEST APPROACH IS TO ALLOW A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSIONER TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

AND I THINK THEY'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SCRAP THROUGH AND SEE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE AND WHAT'S NOT ABOUT.

AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THE MESSAGE THAT WE WANT TO SEND IS THAT STAFF NOW HAVE CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER INTENDS TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR.

AND WE IN AGREEMENT WITH ANY MOTION OR ANY CHANGE THAT WOULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT IS IN ALIGNMENT OR IS ALLOWED IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

BECAUSE WE HAD A, I MEAN THE CPC HAD A DEVELOPMENT PLAN GO THROUGH LAST HEARING FOR A, A COMMUNITY GARDEN ON THIS PARTICULAR PLOT.

YES, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THIS CASE.

SO AM I HEARING THAT STAFF THEN WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF AGRICULTURAL ZONING HERE? YES.

IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY INTEND TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION, UH, WE ARE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF ANY, YOU KNOW, MOTION OR HOWEVER WE WANT TO DO IT, ANY CHANGE THAT WOULD ALLOW AGRICULTURAL USE AS THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I WAS CLEAR 'CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE PD CONDITIONS IN 7 78 AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS PERHAPS CHANGED.

SO IN BOTH THE SUB AREAS AGRICULTURE USES CROP PRODUCTION IS LISTED AS AN ALLOWED USE.

THERE'S NO, AND AGAIN, I RECOGNIZE IT WILL BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSIONER AND THE MOTION THAT THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE, BUT THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT.

YEAH, THEY INTEND TO USE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FOR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION AND IN FACT THEY KIND OF LEASE SOME THOSE THAT ARE TAKEN OFF OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE AGRICULTURAL USE SECTION.

SO ANYTHING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF WILL SUPPORT.

BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S THE COMMISSIONER'S DECISION TO DECIDE HOW SHE WANTS TO FRAME IT.

AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE OTHER LAND USES WHERE WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE PROPOSED WITH, UM, CR ADJACENT TO THAT CR, OR EXCUSE ME, I SHOULD SAY IT THE OTHER WAY.

THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY WILL, UM, PLACE A SETBACK ON THOSE PROPERTIES AS THEY REDEVELOP.

SO WHATEVER'S THERE TODAY, THEY REMAIN AS THEY ARE.

BUT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING WITH NEW CR, IT'S A 20 FOOT MINIMUM SETBACK THAT WOULD THEN BE REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THAT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE TO GO BY WHAT IS WRITTEN IN OUR CODE AND THE CODE REQUIRES THOSE SETBACKS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

17 IS A CITY PLANNING IS A CITY PLAN COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO DETERMINE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE AREA TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED USES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE APPROPRIATE REGULATION IN AN AREA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, LET'S READ IT IN THE RECORD PLEASE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

[18. 24-961 An application to create a new Special Provision Sign District (SPSD) on property containing the Wynnewood Village Shopping Center, to be known as the Wynnewood Village Sign District and zoned regional retail district (RR), on the northwest corner of West Illinois Avenue and South Zang Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to conditions. Special Sign District Advisory Committee Recommendation: Approval, subject to conditions. Applicant: Brixmor Holdings 12 SPE LLC Representative: Andrew Ruegg of Masterplan Planner: Scott Roper Council District: 1 SPSD223-001(JP)]

GENERALLY BOUNDED BY RIVER OAK ROAD TO THE NORTH UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD TO THE EAST MACOMB BLUFF ROAD TO THE SOUTH.

AND JULIA, SHE'S FREEWAY TO THE WEST AND CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY

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522.18 ACRES.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL OF AN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, AND LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND R HALF , A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND R ONE A C, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7, 7 8.

AND AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 7 7 3 FOR A METAL PROCESSING FACILITY FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD TO PROVIDE AN EXPIRATION DATE THAT IS FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE THE ZONING IS APPROVED.

AND TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTION STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL.

WE'RE READY TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT.

SORRY, SPEAKING.

I THINK WE HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT NEEDS TO CATCH A FLIGHT.

UM, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MY NAME IS RANDY SPENCER.

I AM A SENIOR ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, MANAGER WITH PICK AND PULL AUTO DISMANTLER AT 88 35 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

UH, I'M HERE TODAY TO, UM, LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN IN OPERATION AT THIS LOCATION FOR OVER 14 YEARS.

A GOOD, UM, CORPORATE CITIZEN, AN OPERATOR AT THIS LOCATION AND OPERATING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.

WE ARE OBJECTING THIS, UH, REZONING PROPOSAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT, UM, WE DO NOT, UM, WE'RE OBJECTING TO IT AND ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE OR HAVE IT HELD OPEN SO WE CAN, UH, ENSURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING, UH, IN LINE WITH THE, UH, REZONING.

WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE BELIEFS THAT, UH, PROPER NOTIFICATION HAS NOT BEEN MADE AS PER, UH, TEXAS LAW.

UH, WE JUST ACTUALLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, UH, WHEN THE NOTICE CAME OUT.

UH, THIS HAS A DIRECT, COULD HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT WHETHER OUR OPERATION, UH, CONTINUES AT ALL.

UH, WE ONLY RECENTLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS.

WE ARE NOT THE LANDOWNER AND WE ARE NOT SURE AT THIS TIME IF THE LANDOWNER HAS EVEN BEEN, UH, ADVISED OF THIS MEETING GOING ON OR THIS REZONING GOING ON.

UM, THE ONLY REASON WE AS A COMPANY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE THE NOTICE WAS SENT TO THE SITE.

UM, WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIVE YEAR EXPIRATION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WE NEED ADDITIONAL TIME TO SPEAK WITH THE, OR TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS ZONING COMMISSION.

IN THE NOTICE WE RECEIVED IT IS UNCLEAR WHETHER THIS NOTICE, UM, IS FOR OUR OPERATION OR DIFFERENT OPERATION, AND ALSO WE ARE NOT SURE, UH, AS THE NOTICE CAME OUT IF HOW OUR OPERATION WILL EXACTLY BE IMPACTED BY THIS REZONING.

UH, AS I SAID, WE REQUEST THAT THIS BE CONTINUED AND HELD OPEN UNTIL WE CAN MAKE, UH, CONTACT WITH THE CITY, GET MORE CLARIFICATION ON GOING FORWARD WITH THIS REZONING, WHAT IT EXACTLY MEANS TO OUR OPERATION, UH, IF WE ARE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AT THIS LOCATION AS WE HAVE FOR 14 YEARS.

UM, AND WHAT IMPACTS THAT HAS ON OUR, OUR, UM, ABILITY TO RUN OUR BUSINESS.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THE PROPERTY REZONING, THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A WIDE SWEEPING REZONING OF A LARGE SECTION OF PROPERTY THAT IS MOSTLY INDUSTRIAL, UH, THAT IS VERY ARBITRARY IN, IN, IN NATURE FROM WHAT WE SEE.

AND WE'D LIKE TO DIG INTO THAT MORE AND SEE WHAT WE, UH, WHAT EFFECTS IT WILL HAVE ON US.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

TIME IS, CAN YOU PLEASE GIMME THE ADDRESS OF THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY? UH, 88 35 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

WE'LL, WE'LL COME TO YOU IN JUST ONE MOMENT.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE IN SUPPORT.

ARE SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? NO, I'M A GUEST.

OKAY,

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WE HAVE SOME FOLKS IN OUR POSITION.

PLEASE STAND BY.

SHOULD I ASK HIM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONNECT MY LAPTOP FROM HERE OR DO I NEED TO SEND THE PRESENTATION TO YOU? NO, YEAH, IT'S JUST THESE THREE SLIDES.

EVELYN MAYO, 2 8 3 3 PROVINCE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 8.

AND THEN YEAH, LAUNCH IT ONLINE BECAUSE THE WEBINAR LIKE NEVER WORKS.

DESKTOP.

OKAY, I'M READY TO GET STARTED.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YOU ALL SAW MOST OF MY PRESENTATION LAST EARLIER THIS MONTH, AND ALSO SOME OF THE SLIDES UP ON, UM, STAFF'S PRESENTATION.

UM, AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THE ROBUST AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS FOR TODAY'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU'RE SEEING HOW FLAWED THE CODE IS TODAY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS COMMUNITY, DALLAS' GROWING AND WE SHOULD ENABLING A SUSTAINABLE FUTURE FOR FLORAL FARMS. LAST, UH, EARLIER THIS MONTH, YOU ALL WERE ASKING ABOUT THAT SUBDIVISION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRAIN TRACKS.

THAT WAS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT WAS RELOCATED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS IN THE 1980S.

IN THIS FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY.

LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN THE FLOODPLAIN ADJACENT TO THE LARGEST URBAN FOREST IN THE UNITED STATES IS SHORTSIGHTED.

THIS ENTIRE AREA SHOULD BE PROTECTED AS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, AND ANY TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS A, IS A, YOU KNOW, PRECURSOR FOR CONTINUED ILLEGAL AND INCOMPATIBLE USES IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS IS HOW SHINGLE MOUNTAIN HAPPENED.

THEY DESERVE THE CHANCE TO PLAN FOR A FUTURE WITH COMMERCIAL USES THAT PROMOTE GOODS AND SERVICES AND TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE LEGAL AND POSITIVE BUSINESSES LIKE SOUTHWEST PERENNIALS AND RUBLES, BOTH NURSERIES OPERATING FOR DECADES IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS IS THE KIND OF APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT FOR A FLOODPLAIN THAT IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA JUST TO FLAG THE, UH, THE BUSINESSES THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BECOME NONCONFORMING AS IDENTIFIED.

IN STAFF'S REPORT, SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE MULTIPLE CODE COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN LOGGED AGAINST THEM.

THEY SET UP SHOP ILLEGALLY AND STILL HAVE YET TO OBTAIN CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SAME KIND OF, UM, PRECISION AND AND STANDARDS, UH, FOR THIS COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY AND DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODPLAIN PERIOD FOR THIS CITY APPLIED IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING.

I CAME BEFORE YOU ALL EARLIER THIS MONTH IN SUPPORT OF FLORAL FARMS AND WAS DISAPPOINTED AT THE ERRORS THAT PREVENTED THIS CASE FROM MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY, THIS IS ZAIA CARTER PAUL QUINN, COLLEGE 38 37 SIMPSON STEWART ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 1.

GREETINGS.

MY NAME IS AYA CARTER.

I AM A SOPHOMORE AT PAUL QUINN COLLEGE.

ORIGINALLY, I AM FROM CHATTANOOGA, TENNESSEE, BUT I MOVED TO ARLINGTON, TEXAS WHEN I WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL.

MY ULTIMATE GOAL IN LIFE IS CAREER AT BLACK MEDIA THAT IS NOT RELIANT UPON BLACK TRAUMA.

CURRENTLY A CLASS THAT I TAKE A SPECIAL TOPICS ENVIRONMENTAL DRIVERS OF HEALTH.

THIS CLASS IS RAN BY PROFESSOR EVELYN MAYO, AND WE HAVE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS DISCUSSING THE ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE AMONGST DROPPY FLORAL FARMS IN THE GAFF IN WEST DALLAS.

TODAY I AM HERE FOR THE PEOPLE OF FLORAL FARMS.

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IT IS YOUR JOB TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL DALLAS RESIDENTS.

I COULD ONLY IMAGINE HOW LOVELY IT MUST BE TO SLEEP IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AWAY FROM HIGHWAYS, AWAY FROM SHINGLE DUMPS, AWAY FROM ENVIRONMENTAL PO POLLUTION.

HOWEVER, THE COMMUNITY OF FLORAL FARMS TODAY ARE NOT ABLE TO LIVE THAT LIFE.

WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THIS RIGHT FOR THEIR FUTURE.

WE ARE TRYING TO SECURE THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION.

IF YOU ARE TRULY HERE FOR THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU GENUINELY CARE ABOUT BEING BETTER AND DOING BETTER, THEN YOU WILL VOTE AGAINST INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND FLORAL FARMS IS THE LEAST YOU COULD DO FOR THE COMMUNITY OF FLORAL FARMS. THANK YOU.

HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS DAJA SMITH.

I'M FROM ST.

LOUIS, MISSOURI, AND I'M A FRESHMAN ATTENDING PAUL CLINTON COLLEGE.

I RESIDE AT 38 37.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? MM-HMM, , THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I RESIDE AT 38 37 SIMPSON STEWART ROAD, 7 5 2 4 1, DALLAS, TEXAS.

AND I, UH, I'M MAJORING HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND PURSUING MY DREAM OF BEING A BIOMEDICAL RESEARCHER, TRYING TO FIND A CURE FOR SICKLE CELL ANEMIA AND TO PROMOTE RACIAL INJUSTICE.

THIS SEMESTER I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PROFESSOR EVELYN MAYO AS AN URBAN RESEARCH INITIATIVE STUDENT, FELLOW, AND AN ACTIVE GREEN TEAM MEMBER LEARNING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS ARE FORCED TO LIVE WITH.

BEING AT PAUL QUINN PLACES US RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THESE RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL ADJACENCY ISSUES, WE HAVE BEEN OPENING OUR EYES TO A LARGE RACIAL INJUSTICE THAT HAS CAUSED PERMANENT HEALTH CONCERNS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF WEST DALLAS PY.

AND TODAY, THE RESIDENTS OF FLORAL FARMS DRIVING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY'S DAILY DUST AND POLLUTION CLOUDS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE AREA REMAINS ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL, CONCRETE AND ASPHALT BATCHING BETWEEN PROMINENT BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.

AFTER LEARNING, THE RESIDENTS HAVE GENERATIONS OF CANCER, ASTHMA, SICKNESS, AND FATIGUE.

WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE COMMUNITIES NEED JUSTICE.

IMMEDIATELY, EVEN AFTER SHINGLE MELTED WAS TAKEN DOWN, MANY RESIDENTS CONTINUED TO SUFFER FROM HEADACHES, THROAT, AND EYE IRRITATION DUE TO THE NEARBY INDUSTRIALIZATION.

AND DUE TO THE LACK OF CONSIDERATION FOR AND ENVIRONMENTAL ITY, THE CITY OF DALLAS CONTINUES TO INTRODUCE NEW PROBLEMS TO THE FLORAL FOREST COMMUNITY, INCLUDING AIR, WATER, AND SOIL POLLUTION AND CONTAMINATION.

TODAY WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL TO AMEND THEIR ZONING AWAY FROM INDUSTRIALIZATION AND TOWARDS THE VISION OF COMMERCIAL, YET SUSTAINABLE AGRICULTURAL HABITATION.

THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS DESERVE A VOICE FOR THE AREA THEY PAY TO LIVE IN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

LATIMER EXPRESSWAY, 7 5 2 2 6.

THE MICROPHONE.

TURN ON THE MIC, PLEASE.

THERE WE GO.

JIM BECK DOWNWINDERS AT RISK 1808 GOOD.

I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR AGAIN, POINTING OUT THE INADEQUACY OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN IN THE CITY.

THERE IS NO APPROPRIATE DEFINITION RIGHT NOW THAT FITS THESE CIRCUMSTANCES EITHER HERE OR IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS IS NO DOUBT, UM, A SITUATION THAT POSES QUESTIONS OF PLANNING POLICY.

I BELIEVE THOSE HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH BY EVELYN.

I WANT TO RAGE LARGER, MORE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, PERHAPS BECAUSE OF ALL THE ATTENTION THIS HAS, RIGHTLY SO.

MORAL QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT DOES THE CITY OF DALLAS OWE A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE CORAL FARMS, LIKE CHOPPY, LIKE THE SINGLE CONT SINGLETON CORRIDOR, BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE RESULTS OF A HUNDRED YEARS OF RACIST LAND USE A CENTURY OF BEING FORCED TO SHARE SPACE WITH INDUSTRIES PUMPING POISONS OUT BY THE TON.

THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT NEVER TOUCHED THE DALLAS LAND USE PLANNING PROCESS UNTIL SHINGLE MOUNTAIN HAPPENED FOUR YEARS AGO.

THE TREMENDOUS WEALTH GENERATED IN DALLAS DURING THE 1970S AND EIGHTIES AND NINETIES NEVER CHANGED THE REALITIES ON THE GROUND FOR THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE WAVES AND WAVES OF TRINITY RIVER PLANS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ALL CRESTED BEFORE THEY REACHED THE EDGES OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

IN FLORA FARMS CASE, THE CITY DIDN'T ANSWER THE INITIAL CRIES FOR HELP UNTIL THOSE CRIES REACHED THE FRONT PAGES OF THE DAILY PAPER, WEEK AFTER WEEK, EMBARRASSING CITY HALL INTO ACTION.

EVEN THEN, THE CITY DIDN'T CLEAN UP AN ONGOING PUBLIC HEALTH THREAT TERRORIZING AN ENTIRE STREET.

ONE THAT HAD NO LEGAL BASIS FOR BEING UNTIL AFTER THE THREAT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE WAS USED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS ALLIES, EVEN THOUGH ITS NEGLECT WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR EAGLE MOUNTAIN, IT WASN'T THE CITY'S IDEA TO DRAFT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN TO PREVENT FURTHER VICTIMIZATION OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WAS THE RESIDENT'S IDEA THEY'VE HAD TO CONVENE THIS VERY PROCESS WE FIND OURSELVES IN TODAY.

SO AGAIN, I ASK, WHAT DO YOU OWE THESE FOLKS? AT THE VERY LEAST, IT SEEMS TO US THAT YOU OWE THEM TO WRITE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE THEIR OWN FATE FOR A WHILE.

IF THAT'S

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AN ABSENCE OF ANY KIND OF INDUSTRY FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THAT'S A FATE THEY'VE EARNED BY A CENTURY OF INDUSTRY BEING DISPROPORTIONATELY FORCED ON THEM BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.

THIS COMMISSION AND STAFF MAY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE CAPABLE OF BEING UNBIASED, ARBITERS OF WHAT IS REASONABLE, BUT THE CITY IS FORFEITED THAT ROLE OF HONEST BROKERING A LONG TIME AGO.

YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BAN INDUSTRY IN THESE PLACES, THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME TRANSITION PERIOD.

IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY'RE MOSTLY FOR BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT EVEN LEGAL, NOT EVEN FOLLOWING THE PAPERWORK THEY HAVE IN THEIR OFFICE OR ON FILE HERE AT CITY HALL.

JUST LIKE SHINGLE MOUNTAIN.

YOU HEARD STAFF SAY THERE'S NO NEED FOR LINE INDUSTRY HERE.

THERE'S NO NEED TO REQUIRE IR.

SO DON'T PRAY.

TELL WHAT TRANSITION PERIOD DID THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THE FIRST TIME AROUND? WHAT COMPROMISE WAS STRUCK WITH INDUSTRY? WHAT WARNING OR NOTICE DID THEY GET THAT THEY WOULD NOW BE RAINED ON WITH SOOT, OIL AND ASBESTOS AND LEAD? THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO IMPOSE THESE RISKS ON OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE SAME SENSE OF SECURITY THESE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE.

LIKE PRESTON HOLLOW, LAKE HIGHLAND, THANK YOU SIR.

HOLLYWOOD HILLS.

THANK YOU MR. SHERMAN BAY.

WHAT DOES DA DALLAS O THESE'S PEOPLE PEACE OF MIND.

NEXT SPEAKER IN SUPPORT.

WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT ONLINE.

HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? GEORGE? IS MR. UH, GORY ONLINE? UH, TAYLOR GORY? NO.

HOW ABOUT MR. WILSON? ONLINE? OKAY, MR. WILSON, IF YOU'RE ONLINE, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENT, SIR.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN, BUT WE BUT WE CAN'T SEE YOU YET.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN, WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT WE CAN'T SEE YOU YET.

WE MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

WHY IS THE NEXT ONE? WHAT ABOUT NOW? YES SIR.

WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.

BUSINESS TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK COMMISSIONERS.

UH, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH YOU IN YOUR FIGHT TO PRESERVE COMMUNITY SELF-DETERMINATION.

THIS IS AN, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.

WHAT I AM MORE DISTURBED WITH IS SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM STAFF IN THEIR EXPLANATION OF WHY OR WHY NOT.

CERTAIN ZONINGS SUCH AS ALLY OR CS, UH, SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE IN THE AREA DUE TO THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS.

WHAT DISTURBED ME IS THAT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT TALKED ABOUT THE BUSINESSES AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OR THEIR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO WORK AND LIVE WITHIN THE RESIDENCE, AROUND THE RESIDENCE.

I FIND THAT CONCERNING, UH, THE INFORMATION, UH, DID NOT FAVOR, UH, COMMUNITY SELF-DETERMINATION, UH, FELT MORE ONE TITLE.

THIS IS DUE TO A LACK OF VISION FOR THIS AREA, WHICH IS ON THE LEADERSHIP PART, BUT NOT ON THE COMMUNITY PART.

OR THEY HAVE RISEN TO BE ABLE TO BRING FORTH THIS OPTION TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE AND CREATE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE CITY DOES NOT RIGHT NOW POTENTIALLY SEE OR OR WANT FOR THIS AREA BY THE CURRENT ZONING OPTIONS.

FOR THIS, THE ONLY AREA THAT'S CONSIDERED THIS, THIS EXISTS BECAUSE OF THE UNINCORPORATED AREA ALONG I 20, THE FORGOTTEN AREA OF DOLLARS.

THIS IS A LITMUS TEST FOR GOING FORWARD FOR THE, FOR A DOLLARS PLAN.

AS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS MORE AND MORE ALONG I 20.

SO COMMISSIONERS REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW WE OR YOU COME UP WITH THE SOLUTION BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ONLY CASE THAT THIS PRESENTS ITSELF.

WHILE FOUR FARMS HAS GIVEN, UH, MANY HOURS AND EFFORTS AND CONCERNS AND EXPRESSED THAT NOW WE BEGIN TO HEAR THE OPPOSITION FOR THE

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FLORAL FORMS IS DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF FLORAL REFORM, UH, MS. JACKSON AND THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR AREA, OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS AND POTENTIAL RESIDENTS.

LET'S NOT BE SHORT, UH, SIGHTED IN THINKING THAT THESE ARE ALL THE RESIDENTS THERE WILL BE OR COULD BE IN THIS AREA.

LET'S LOOK AT THIS AS A JEWEL.

THIS IS A STAIN.

THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A BENEFIT, UH, FOR THIS AREA AND DOUBT.

SO AGAIN, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE AND, AND SUPPORTING THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES AND HOW THEY CAN COEXIST.

UH, MS. JACKSON.

MY NAME IS MARSHA JACKSON.

I LIVE AT 4 9 2 0 SHORT ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS, FLORIDA FARMS. AND AS I STATED BEFORE, I AM IN FAVOR AND SUPPORT.

AS I STATED BEFORE, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN MY HOME SINCE 19 95, 29 YEARS TO COMPARE TO SOME OF THE THREE OR FOUR 14 YEARS OF BUSINESS BEEN HERE.

UM, THE REASON WHY WE ARE SO SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN IMPACTED.

OUR HEALTH HAS BEEN IMPACTED.

NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE ALL SUPPORT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, SUCH AS THE, UH, UH, THE NURSERIES AND THESE ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE IMPACT, IMPACT THEM AS WELL.

JUST AS THIS MORNING, UM, AS EVELYN STATED THAT WE HAVE ALL THOSE COS THAT, UH, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION.

THEY REQUEST COS RIGHT NEXT TO ME REQUEST ONLY TRAILER PARKING, BUT THEY'RE STILL OUTSIDE STORAGE.

WE WENT COLD, COME, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

JUST AS THIS MORNING I WAS GOING TO THE DOCTOR, THERE WAS A 18 WHEELER ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET RIGHT ACROSS FROM THEM, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, THREE 10, JUST SITTING THERE FOR 15 MINUTES WAITING TO TURN INTO THE BUSINESS.

SO THAT'S A HAZARD.

BUT NOT ONLY, UM, THINKING ABOUT COMMUNITY, NOT ONE BUSINESS THAT WE EVEN HEAR THAT IN OPPOSITION.

THEY EVEN SAY, THEY EVEN THINK ABOUT THE RESIDENTS OUR HEALTH.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, VERY IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE IF YOU ARE A GOOD BUSINESS, YOU WILL TRY TO WORK WITH US.

YOU WILL TRY TO DO THE THINGS THEY CAN.

WE DO HAVE A BUSINESS, A LITTLE ROSS MACHINE MACHINERY BEEN HERE AS LONG AS I HAVE NO PROBLEM, NO OPTIONAL NOTHING.

THAT'S MY FRIEND.

AND SO, UH, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WE ARE NOT IN FOR BUSINESS.

WE DO HAVE BUSINESS IN HERE, PROPANE COMPANY.

WE HAVE THE BUSINESS THERE.

SO I AM IN FAVOR.

I DO HAVE A CRUSHING, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER CONCERNS THAT THE LR, I HOPE THERE'S NO MORE, UH, BATCH PLANTS, NO MORE WAREHOUSE INDUSTRIALS NEXT TO RESIDENCE BECAUSE THAT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE ISSUE.

ALSO, NOT ONLY HERE IN FLORIDA FORMS, THAT'S ALSO IN THE OTHER, UH, EJ ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AS WELL.

IF THE REQUEST FOR THE APPLICANT IS DENIED.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, CINDY.

HI EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS CINDY HU.

I LIVE AT 7 1 8 CRESTED COVE DRIVE, GARLAND, TEXAS 7 5 0 4 OH.

I'M ON THE BOARD OF A LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NONPROFIT CALLED DOWN WINDERS AT RISK.

AND I'M CURRENTLY A PHD STUDENT AT SMU LOWELL SCHOOL OF ENGINEERING STUDYING APPLIED SCIENCE.

AND TODAY I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING FOR FLORAL FARMS. AND I'M HERE TODAY TO ECHO THE SAME SENTIMENTS THAT I DID DURING THE PREVIOUS CPC MEETING.

MUCH OF THE ZONING OF FLORAL FARM AND PARTS OF THE TRINITY RIVER FLOOD ZONE REMAIN CLASSED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN THE PROPOSED, UM, ZONING CHANGE.

AND IF THIS REMAINS, THESE PARCELS ZONED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WILL CONTINUE TO ATTRACT INDUSTRIAL FUNCTIONS THAT WILL NOT ALLEVIATE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, BUT CERTAINLY WORSEN THEM WITH FLOODING AND MUCH MORE.

NOT TO MENTION THIS WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE QUALITY OF RESIDENTS' LIVES AS THEY WOULD HAVE TO LIVE WITH SUCH OPERATIONS EVERY WAKING DAY UNTIL THE CITY ACTUALLY LISTENS AND ACTS ON THEIR SIMPLE REQUEST.

THE AREAS MARKED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONES NEED TO BE DESIGNATED AS AGRICULTURAL SPEAKING FROM A PURELY LOGICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY STANDPOINT.

WHY DELIBERATELY LEAVE A FUTURE INVITATION OPEN FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A FLOOD PLAIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN NO OPERATIONS CURRENTLY THERE REQUIRE SUCH ZONING TO OPERATE.

NOW, I'M NOT AN URBAN PLANNER, BUT IT LEAVES ME WONDERING IF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY ARE COMMITTED TO MOVING THE NEEDLE FORWARD TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.

AND THIS ISN'T JUST FROM A JUSTICE PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM A CLIMATE CHANGE READY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.

ARE WE REALLY PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OR DO WE JUST WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT STATUS QUO FOR THE NEXT GENERATION? AS A CITY ZONING CODE IS BEING REWRITTEN IN RESEARCH ARTICLES SPANNING URBAN PLANNING TO LAW, TO SOCIOLOGY.

SCHOLARS AND POLICY MAKERS ARGUE THAT ZONING IS USED TO STEER INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY TOWARDS MINORITY NEIGHBORHOODS LEADING TO DISPROPORTIONATE TOXIC EXPOSURE AND DEPRESSED LAND VALUES.

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THIS WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF USING ZONING TO PERPETUATE THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENTAL BURDENS FOR FLORAL FARMS. AND I HOPE THE CPC CAN ENSURE THAT NO FUTURE ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES OCCUR DUE TO THE INCORRECT ZONING FOR FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY.

SO JUST LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING IN ASKING FOR IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DE DESIGNATION, AS THERE ARE VERY MUCH VALID REASONS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF MAY HAVE THOUGHT OF, WELL-MEANING INTENTIONS BY INCLUDING ALLY ZONING, BUT I SINCERELY DO NOT SEE HOW THE PERPETUATION OF SUPPORTING INDUSTRIAL USES ADJACENT TO PEOPLE'S HOMES, PLAYS INTO A VISION FOR MORE JUST AND EQUITABLE, EQUITABLE DALLAS ON ANY FRONT, WHETHER FROM A RACIAL, ENVIRONMENTAL, OR PUBLIC HEALTH STANDPOINT.

AND BY ALLOWING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO BE THERE, IT'S AS IF YOU ARE DOWNPLAYING THE TRAUMA AND THE CONCERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE THE ONES WHO MUST LIVE WITH THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE FOR DECADES TO COME.

AND ALTHOUGH THAT OUTCOME MAY NOT BE SURPRISING, IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE DISAPPOINTING IN ANOTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE, CONFIRMING THE STEREOTYPE OF DALLAS'S WAY TO UPHOLD DECISIONS THAT MAINTAIN STATUS QUO SACRIFICING RESIDENTS QUALITY OF LIFE TO PROTECT CORPORATE INTEREST.

I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO, UM, MY CALL TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US MS. RAFEL.

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME AND SEE ME? YES, WE CAN.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JENNIFER RANEL.

MY ADDRESS IS 1 4 4 1 WEST MOUNT AVENUE, APARTMENT 2, 2 4, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 1.

AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF R PLANNING.

R PLANNING IS AN URBAN PLANNING NONPROFIT AND WE WORK WITH COMMUNITIES TO BUILD EQUITABLE PLACES BY FIGHTING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL HOUSING AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE.

AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM.

THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS THE OBLIGATION TO AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHER FAIR HOUSING.

AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS, AS IT PERTAINS TO ADMINISTERING ANY ACTIVITY RELATING TO URBAN DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS ZONING, THE CITY HAS TO DETERMINE WHO LACKS ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY AND ALSO MUST ADDRESS ANY INEQUITIES AMONG THE PROTECTED CLASSES GROUPS.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, BORE FARMS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PREDOMINANTLY OF PEOPLE OF COLOR AND ALSO OF LIMITED INCOME.

AND CLEARLY, AS YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, THERE ARE INEQUITIES AS IT RELATES TO ZONING WHERE PEOPLE, RESIDENTS LIVE NEXT TO OR EVEN WITHIN INDUSTRIAL ZONING, WHICH SHOULDN'T HAVE EVER BEEN AN OPTION TO BEGIN WITH.

IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.

AND THIS IS WHY, AGAIN, AS YOU'VE HEARD, SHINGLE MOUNTAIN HAPPENED NOT THAT LONG AGO FROM THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.

THERE'S ALSO VERY UNIQUE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSETS THAT FLOOR REFORMS HAS.

THERE ARE ALSO NE, UH, RE UH, BUSINESSES SUCH AS SOUTHWEST PERENNIALS THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY WHAT IS IN THEIR BACKYARD AS THEY TRY TO FULFILL THEIR BUSINESS AND PROMOTE IT.

THIS IS WHY I URGE YOU TO REMIND YOU THAT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE IS ALSO A FAIR HOUSING ISSUE AND ASK OF YOU TO PLEASE HELP ENSURE THAT THE FLORIDA FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE ZONING WE, THE CITY OF DALLAS, PAYS ATTENTION TO AND ENSURES THAT IT FULFILLS ITS PROMISE.

AND AGAIN, ZONING SHOULD PROMOTE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF ALL.

AND I ALSO OUTLINED, UH, SHARE THE CONCERNS AS WELL WITH PERPETUATING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

I UNDERSTAND RIGHTLY, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE USES AND THE BREAKDOWN OF IT, THAT THERE ARE SOME DISTINCTIONS AND SOMEWHAT ALLUDED TO BENEFITS.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LET'S JUST REMOVE IT, RIGHT? IF WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BE FORWARD LOOKING AND FORWARD THINKING AS WE THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

AND AS WE ALSO THINK ABOUT THE CLIMATE CHANGE IMPACTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH HERE DOWN THE ROAD, UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE STAFF ALLUDING TO WHAT WAS THE HISTORY OF THIS AREA? HOW DID WE GET HERE TO BEGIN WITH, UM, AS WE TRY TO REVERSE THE HARMS THAT WERE DONE TO THIS AREA.

SO THIS IS WHY, AGAIN, I URGE YOU ALL TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, MR. SOKO, UH, YEAH, I HAVE A PRESENTATION THERE.

UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE ON HIM.

YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

DO YOU HAVE MY SLIDES? NOT YET.

WHILE HE'S GETTING THAT TOGETHER, I JUST INTRODUCED MYSELF.

I AM JONATHAN SUKA WITH SOUTHWEST PERENNIAL 92 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL.

UH, BRIEF HISTORY OF OUR PROPERTY.

OUR FIRST GREENHOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1927 AS PART OF TC WHOLESALE FLORES.

THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT, UH, HAS TC PARK OVER IN EAST DALLAS.

UM, YOU CAN SEE I REALLY NEED MY PRESENTATION.

THERE WE GO.

THERE UP, GO ON THE SECOND PAGE.

YOU CAN SEE 1952, MOST OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE STANDING.

UH, YOU CAN GO ON AND GO TO THE THIRD

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PAGE.

YOU WANT CAN I TOUCH THIS OR DID YOU DO THAT? HOW DO WE ADVANCE? IT'S HIS SON.

OH, IT'S GEORGE.

WHICH PAGE YOU AGAIN? I I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE PAGE.

HOW DO WE CHANGE THE PAGE? UH, I'M IN CONTROL RIGHT NOW AT THE MOMENT.

JUST TELL ME WHEN TO CHANGE.

UH, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.

OH, IT'S NOT CHANGING THE PAGE.

HANG ON.

NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING A CHANGE.

ARE YOU? ARE YOU? UNLESS YOU'RE SEEING IT.

GIMME A SECOND.

CAN WE GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE? THERE WE GO.

MODERN DAY ABOUT THAT.

GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE.

SO THIS IS MODERN DAY, UH, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH IS BUILT UP AROUND US SINCE, UH, 1927.

AND GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO GET THIS DEEP INTO THIS, BUT IN 2021, MY NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR BROUGHT IN A BULLDOZER, COMPLETELY FLATTENED A WHOLE, UH, THREE, FOUR ACRE PLOT WITH TREES AND LANDSCAPING.

TOOK OUT ALL THE DRAINAGE, TOOK OUT THE RETENTION PONDS, AND BROUGHT IN THREE FEET OF ROCK.

I'VE LOBBIED FOR A MONTH WITH THE CITIES TO STOP THIS, TO DO SOMETHING.

ONLY AFTER I GOT ON CHANNEL FIVE WAS I ABLE TO GET ANYBODY TO, TO DO ANYTHING.

AND BASICALLY ALL THEY DID WAS ISSUE A STOP ORDER.

THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

NOTHING'S GOING ON, BUT EVERYTHING'S ALREADY BEEN DESTROYED.

SO I'VE ALREADY GOT FLOODING ISSUES FROM THIS.

LET'S MOVE ON OVER THE NEXT SLIDE.

I DON'T TALK TOO LONG ABOUT ME, BUT, UM, HERE'S MY NEIGHBOR, MARCIA JACKSON.

YOU WERE, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH HER.

UH, HERE'S MARCIA JACKSON'S NEIGHBORS.

YOU GOT SHINGLE MOUNTAIN BEHIND BEHIND HER.

YOU'VE GOT THESE FOLKS RIGHT NEXT TO HER.

UH, THAT'S NOT A VERY NICE PLACE TO LIVE WHEN THAT'S YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.

GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UH, YOU CAN SEE SHINGLE MOUNTAIN BEHIND HER HOUSE AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE CAR LOT BEHIND THERE, BUT THEN YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LOT BEHIND THAT.

THAT GUY'S ALREADY BRINGING IN CONCRETE.

YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE FEARFUL OF CONCRETE CRUSHING PLANTS BECAUSE EVERYWHERE THESE GUYS CAN STORE AND CRUSH CONCRETE, IT'S ALREADY COMING.

UH, LET'S GO INTO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, MR. STILLWELLS HOUSE ON 5 54 0 4 RHODES LANE.

HE LIVES NEXT TO PD SEVEN.

SEVEN.

YOU'LL SEE THE BERM THERE AT THE END OF THE ROAD THAT BLOCKS ALL HIS DRAINAGE.

SO MR. STILLWELLS, HE'S AN ELDERLY MAN, DOESN'T HAVE MANY OPTIONS.

HE'S ALWAYS HAD FLOODING PROBLEMS. GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE BACKSIDE OF MR. STILLWELLS HOUSE.

YOU CAN SEE HE'S HAD A TRUCK LOT BASICALLY POP UP IN HIS BACKYARD.

SO HE'S SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE TRUCK LOT AND PD 7 78.

OKAY, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WE'VE ALL BEEN FEARFUL OF PD 7 78, SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO MOVE THIS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THEY'VE TRIED TO FILL IN THAT BLAKE OVER THERE WITH CONCRETE AND THE YEARS PASSED.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALREADY TRIED IT ONCE.

OKAY? I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'VE CHANGED DIRECTION, BUT IF THEY'RE DOING IT, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT THIS IS WHY WE'RE FEARFUL OF THESE CONCRETE PLANTS MOVING IN AND WHY WE WANT MORE RESTRICTIONS.

AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS PD 7 78, BEAUTIFUL GRAVEL PIT LAKE THAT'S FILLED UP ON THE OTHER PICTURE.

YOU SEE WHAT'S OVER ON HIGHWAY 20.

WE DO NOT WANT FLORAL FARMS TO TURN INTO A CONCRETE CRUSHING PLANT.

OKAY? WE NEED TO REPIN SOME OF THESE.

WE NEED TO RETAIN SOME OF THESE THINGS WE HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY.

GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, THIS IS IN, THIS IS ACTUALLY IN DALLAS, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF I 20 IN OUR SAME ZIP CODE.

THIS IS FEDEX FACILITY.

IT'S NOT THAT OLD.

AGAIN, THIS PLACE IS BEAUTIFULLY LANDSCAPED PLANNED, MAINTAINED, DRAINAGE CONCRETE.

WE DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN FLORAL FARMS. EVERYTHING'S JUST KIND OF THROWN TOGETHER WITH JUST TRASHY AND CHEAP AS THEY CAN DO IT.

WE NEED TO START TAKING STEPS TO DO MORE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT IF WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE MORE BUSINESSES AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING HERE.

ALL RIGHT? BUT THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, BUT MY FATHER'S ALSO ON THE LIST.

WE'RE SHARING AN IPAD.

HE'S SITTING HERE NEXT TO ME, IF YOU'RE READY TO TALK TO HIM.

THAT'S FINE.

ARE YOU READY? WE ARE.

PRODUCES SMALL SEEDLINGS AND PLUG TRAYS OF, FOR PERENNIAL PLANTS FOR THE HORTICULTURAL MARKET.

MY NAME'S JERRY .

I WANNA THANK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR CONSIDERING THE ZONING MATTER.

AND THEN I'M OWNER OF SOUTHWEST PER HILLS AT 9 2 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, ZIP CODE 7 5 2 4 1.

WE ARE A LARGE GREENHOUSE COMPLEX AND FLORAL FARMS THAT

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THEIR FIRST GREENHOUSES WERE BUILT HERE IN 1927 BEFORE ANY OF US EVER EVEN BORN OR EVEN A THOUGHT IN OUR MIND.

I HAVE WORKED IN THIS AREA FOR 50 YEARS AND SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AND A LOT OF BROKEN PROMISES.

I AM IN FAVOR FOR A MORE RESTRICTED ZONING CHANGE FOR THESE REASONS.

REASON ONE, A LOT OF CRUSH, CONCRETE AND ROCK IS BEING DUMPED INTO THIS AREA, RAISING GROUND LEVEL WITH A TOTAL DISREGARD FOR DRAINAGE BEING DUMPED ON NEIGHBORS OR IN OUR CA IN OUR CASE, A RETENTION POND.

UM, AND DIVERSION.

AND A DIVERSION COUNT BEING FILLED WITH ROCK AND DRAINAGE.

I SEE.

OH, I'M SORRY, .

I DIDN'T SEE THE PAPER.

UM, ROCK AND, AND, UH, DRAINAGE DIVERTED IN ONTO OUR PROPERTY, FORCING US TO CREATE MORE DRAINAGE AND DIVERSION.

AND AS JONATHAN MENTIONED, THE BULLDOZER COMING IN HERE AND JUST LEVELING AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A HELP.

IT HELPED HIM, BUT IT DIDN'T HELP US.

UM, WE SEEM TO BE, OUR PROPERTY BECOMES A, A DUMPING GROUND FOR DRAINAGE FROM ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTIES, BUT OUR PROPERTY HAS NO DRAINAGE OFF OUR SITE.

WE'RE KIND OF IN BETWEEN AND WE COME TO THE LAKE IN BETWEEN THE, THE PROPERTY.

UH, THAT'S ONE REASON I'VE GOT.

NEXT REASON IS THERE'S TOTAL IS CARD FOR, UH, DUST POLLUTION FOR RESIDENCE AND, AND BUSINESS THAT'S IN OUR AREA.

TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE CREATING TREMENDOUS DUST, CLOUDS EXISTING THEIR LOTS, CREATING HAZARD CONDITIONS FOR ANYONE DRIVING ON THREE 10.

NOT ONLY BLINDING VEHICLES AND DRIVERS ON THREE 10, BUT ALSO TRACK A LOT OF GRAVEL AND DUST ONTO THE HIGHWAY.

YOU NEED TO POUR MORE CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS TO MINIMIZE DUST SITUATION.

DON'T WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO GET HURT.

UM, MY FINAL, MY FINAL DEAL IS THAT IN THIS WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONING TO PREVENT FILLING IN OF THE LAKES AND DRAINAGE AREAS.

THE SECOND ITEM IS GRINDING BRUSH, AND THAT RELEASES DUST, INSECTS, AND DISEASE PACKAGES AND AIR.

THE THIRD IS CRUSHING CONCRETE, CREATING EVEN MORE DUST AND A TOTAL RE RE DISREGARD TO, UH, RESIDENTS.

AND, UH, THE FOURTH ITEM IS DRAINAGE THAT FORCES WATER RUNOFF INTO NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY OWNERS.

WE CANNOT PICK UP AND RELOCATE OUR GREENHOUSES, NOR DO RESIDENTS WANT TO RELOCATE.

MOST NEIGHBORHOODS DO NOT FACE THESE ISSUES, AND I DON'T WANNA THINK OF ANY OF YOU WOULD WANT TO CHANGE PLACES WITH US.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONING CHANGE AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.

YOU, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

UH, MR. CISNEROS.

MR. CISNEROS ON, UH, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN.

OKAY, GOOD.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF.

OH, MY NAME IS JANICE ROS.

I LIVE AT 28 21 BEDFORD STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 2.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SINGLETON UNITED UNIDOS IN WEST DALLAS.

WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF MARSHA JACKSON AND THE FOUR FARMS NEIGHBORHOODS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING.

WE EMPATHIZE WITH THEIR DESIRE TO SALVAGE THE HEALTH OF ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NECESSARY ACTION TO REMOVE ALL INDUSTRIAL USES IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

MARSHA AND HER NEIGHBORS HAVE SUFFERED FOR FAR TOO LONG.

THEY'VE EVEN ENDURED QUITE A WAIT JUST TO GET TO TODAY'S AUTHORIZED HEARING VOTE.

EVEN THIS IS INEQUITABLE.

CONSIDERING THE HARSH ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUES BEING EXPERIENCED IN THAT AREA, I CAN EMPATHIZE WITH THE TORTURE AND DAMAGE OF THE WEIGHT.

THE TERM BALANCE HAS BEEN USED TO DESCRIBE THE OBJECTIVE REGARDING INDUSTRIAL VERSUS NON-INDUSTRIAL ZONING FOR THE AREA.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT HISTORY HAS ALREADY IMBALANCE IN THE FAVOR OF INDUSTRY.

THIS IS A PRIVILEGE THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES HAVE GOTTEN TO ENJOY, TO TRULY BALANCE THINGS OUT EQUITABLY.

THE VOTE SHOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE FLORAL FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO PLEASE, I ASK YOU TO DO YOUR PART TO MAKE FLORAL FARMS A SAFER PLACE TO LIVE.

MS. UH, RIA.

HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME.

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HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS SARAH MOIA.

I'M AT 89 18 BRETT SHIRE DRIVE.

I AM A BOARD MEMBER OF THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, RISING OF SOUTHERN SECTOR RISING.

I'M HERE IN FAVOR OF, OF THIS CHANGE IN ZONING BECAUSE THIS IS A BASELINE.

THE UNITED NATIONS TALKS ABOUT HOW TO REDRESS HARM THROUGH A REPARATIONS FRAMEWORK.

AND THERE ARE FOUR COMPONENTS THAT THEY NAME RESTITUTION, RESTORING VICTIMS OF HARM BACK TO THEIR, THEIR BASELINE.

WE KNOW THAT THE DA, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS NOT GOING TO INVEST IN THAT, BUT THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TOWARDS RESTITUTION FOR THE NEIGHBORS IN FLORAL FARMS. THE SECOND IS COMPENSATION, THE THIRD REHABILITATION.

AND THE LAST IS SATISFACTION, WHICH MEANS ENDING THE HARM THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

WE ALL LIVED THROUGH THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND CONTINUE TO LIVE THROUGH THE ONGOING PANDEMIC.

AND WE KNOW THAT WHAT HAPPENS TO ONE HAPPENS TO US.

ALL.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FLORAL FARMS DOESN'T ONLY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS IN FLORAL FARMS, BUT IMPACTS OUR WHOLE CITY.

WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE FORWARD THINKING, AS STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT.

YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS NOT ONLY FOR NEIGHBORS TODAY, BUT FOR NEIGHBORS IN THE FUTURE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GROWTH IN THE CENSUS, WE SEE THAT TEXAS CONTINUES TO GROW, BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING TO DALLAS.

THEY'RE GOING TO THE NORTHERN CITIES.

WHY? MOST LIKELY, BECAUSE THEY, THEY WANNA LIVE IN SAFE AND CLEAN NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT DALLAS AND YOU SEE THAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BE LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE CITY DOESN'T ZONE FOR RESIDENTS, BUT INSTEAD ALLOWS FOR BATCH PLANTS TO BE ZONED RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTS.

I WOULDN'T WANNA LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER.

I WOULDN'T WANNA RELOCATE INTO A CITY THAT MAKES THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS.

SO WE'RE NOT ONLY MAKING, UH, DECISIONS FOR RESIDENTS NOW, BUT WE'RE ALSO MAKING DECISIONS THAT WILL DETERMINE THE GROWTH AND FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

SO THIS TODAY IS JUST THE BASELINE.

IT IS A NOT EVEN A FULL STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT IT IS A PIVOT INTO THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CREATE THIS PIVOT THAT WILL CHANGE THE CLINICAL DIRECTION FOR OUR CITY.

THANK YOU, MS. MAFIAS.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

MS. MATHIA.

MS. MATHIA, IF WE, YOU CAN HEAR US.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA WORK.

I'M IN THE CAR.

I'M DRIVING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? HELLO? YES MA'AM.

OR WE CAN SEE YOU AND WE CAN HEAR YOU.

IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BRAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE THE COMMENTS, WE'RE READY TO HEAR.

I AM BRAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE THE COMMENTS.

IS THE ONLY WAY THAT THE CITY CAN GROW.

I'M, I'M ALSO, I SERVE ON THE BOARD OTHER SECOND RISE.

UH, I'VE BEEN WITH MARSHA JACKSON THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO EVER HAPPEN AGAIN HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

WE'VE GOT TO SAY THE SOUTHERN PART OF OUR CITY, THAT

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WE CAN'T GO WEST, WE CAN'T GO EAST, AND WE CAN'T GO NORTH.

SO THERE'S ONLY ONE DIRECTION LEFT TO GO.

AND THAT'S SOUTH.

WE WANNA KEEP IT DECENT AND NICE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE NICE THINGS TOO.

BY THE WAY, I LIVE AT 9 0 4 LUKIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 7.

UH, BECAUSE I'M DRIVING IN THE RAIN, I'M GONNA CUT THIS SHORT.

PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE TO APPROVE THE CHANGES AND LET US KEEP FLORAL FARMS THE BEAUTIFUL PLACE WHERE WE KNOW IT CAN BE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT.

WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION IN THE CHAMBER.

FIRST MM-HMM, .

MY NAME IS CHRIS BOWERS.

I AM WITH THE SISTER LAW GROUP AND I'M REPRESENTING ALMIRA INDUSTRIAL AND TRADING CORPORATION TODAY, WHICH IS AT 95 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

IT IS, UH, NEAR THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPOSED REZONING.

I WANNA MAKE FOUR POINTS TODAY.

FIRST, MY CLIENT'S INVESTMENT IN THEIR PROPERTY WAS REASONABLE AND MY CLIENTS ARE NOT.

SOME HUGE CORPORATION HEADQUARTERED IN NEW JERSEY, THEY'RE A MOM AND POP BUSINESS.

UH, WHEN THEY MADE THEIR INVESTMENT 10 YEARS AGO, THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED IR AND HAD BEEN ZONED INDUSTRIAL FOR MANY DECADES.

GOING BACK AT LEAST TO 1989.

AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WAS ZONED I TWO OR I THREE BACK UNDER CHAPTER 51, ZONING SECOND, THERE WAS AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN THERE SINCE 1930 THIRD.

UH, THERE HAD BEEN INDUSTRIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY FOR DECADES AND FOURTH, THE 2006 FORWARD DALLAS PLAN CALLED FOR THIS AREA TO REMAIN INDUSTRIAL.

AND I PROVIDED A MAP TO YOU SHOWING THE PLAN, UH, AS THE SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION TO HAND IT OUT.

AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THIS AREA WAS PLANNED FOR CONTINUED INDUSTRIAL USE.

AND THAT PLAN IS STILL IN EFFECT AT THIS TIME.

AND YOU AS COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO ZONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND I WOULD GO TO MY SECOND POINT, WHICH IS THAT I BELIEVE STAFF SORT OF CHERRY PICKED, UH, ARGUMENTS FROM THE 2006 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO MAKE, UH, TO SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD SUPPORT, UH, THE PROPOSED REZONING.

BUT, UH, THERE ARE STATEMENTS THROUGHOUT THAT PLAN THAT SUGGEST THAT SUPPORT THIS MAP.

AND, AND ONE OF THEM SAYS, THE 2006 PLAN IMPLEMENTATION MEASURE, 1.22, LAND USE ELEMENT STATED FINDINGS SHOULD GUIDE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TOWARDS ZONING THAT PROTECTS AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AND EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.

AND SO THE INVESTMENT WAS REASONABLE.

AND LET ME GET TO MY THIRD POINT, WHICH IS THERE HAVE BEEN ALLEGATIONS OR, UH, SUGGESTIONS THAT PERHAPS THE ZONING OF DALLAS HAS BEEN RACIST FOR DECADES.

I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THAT IS NOT TRUE.

THIS PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED IN 1930 OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.

THE CITY DID NOT ANNEX THIS AREA UNTIL ROUGHLY THE 1960S.

THE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES ON THE STREET TO THE NORTH ON CHOATE WERE BUILT IN THE FORTIES.

SO THIS INDUSTRIAL USE WAS HERE FIRST, AND WHEN THE CITY EVENTUALLY ANNEXED THE ANNEXATION PROTECTED EXISTING USES, AND THERE WERE INDUSTRIAL USES LIKE MY CLIENTS THAT HAD BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.

AND THE CITY DID THAT, NOT ON, NOT JUST IN, UH, FAR SOUTH DALLAS, BUT ALSO AROUND THE CITY AS THAT ANNEXED PROPERTIES.

THE SAME WAS TRUE IN WEST DALLAS.

MOST OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES WERE THERE FIRST, UH, AND THEY WERE DEVELOPED OUTSIDE OF THE DALLAS CITY LIMITS.

UH, THE THE LAST POINT I WOULD MAKE IS THAT THIS PROPOSAL, UH, TO TAKE MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY FROM LIGHT FOR, EXCUSE ME, FROM IR TO AGRICULTURAL IS NOT FAIR FROM THE SECOND MOST INTENSE DISTRICT.

YOU, YOU'RE THREE MINUTES ARE OUT.

OH, THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU BET.

MY NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

HELLO.

UH, UH, THIS, UH, WE OPPOSE THIS MOTION.

PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.

UH, MY NAME IS KABI SHAHA ZAD, AND I'M WITH, UH, AMIRA INDUSTRIAL AND TRADING AT 95 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

AND, UM, WE OPPOSE,

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AND, UH, THE REASON IS AMIR INDUSTRIAL TRADING HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, UH, WITH THE IR DESIGNATION FOR ZONING.

AND THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED AS, UH, INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES FOR OVER 25 YEARS AS A RECYCLING FACILITY, SALVAGE FACILITY, UH, TRUCK AND, UH, TRAILER REPAIR FACILITY.

AND, UH, WE ARE CONTINUING THE, THAT, UH, THAT USAGE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP REALLY QUICK WAS THE FACT THAT WE RECEIVED TWO NOTICES, UH, ONE FOR THE VOTING AND ONE FOR, UH, OUR ADDRESS, 95 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL.

BUT THIS OTHER ONE SHOWS COMMENT AUTO SALVAGE.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WAS REALLY MEANT FOR US OR WHAT THE, WHAT THE ISSUE IS HERE, BUT WE JUST, I WANTED TO BRING THIS AND TURN IT IN AS EVIDENCE.

UH, UH, FURTHERMORE, LAST YEAR, UM, IN SEPTEMBER 12TH OF, UH, TWO TH 2023, THERE WAS A AUTHORIZED HEARING MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS THE FINAL ONE WHERE THE STAFF, UH, HAD RECOMMENDED, UH, UH, THE ZONING MAP FOR, AND OUR, AND OUR, UH, COMPANY WAS PART OF THE LI ZONING.

WE DID NOT GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY AT ALL UNTIL MARCH 7TH, A FEW DAYS AFTER MARCH 7TH, BY MAIL THAT THIS HAS CHANGED.

SO THIS IS ALL VERY SUDDEN TO US, THAT'S WHY WE, WE REACHED OUT AND FOUND COUNSEL TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, MANEUVER THROUGH THIS.

UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DRASTIC CHANGE HAS BEEN SINCE THEN.

AND, UM, WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR, UM, FOR SOME EXPLANATION IF, IF THE CITY PLANS, IF THEY WOULD DO THAT.

AND I HAVE A FINAL STATEMENT.

UM, UH, ON BEHALF OF OUR COMPANY, WE UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITY SENTIMENT.

WE ARE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE WANT TO WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY TO IMPROVE THIS AREA AND ALL OF DALLAS FOR THAT MATTER.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, OBTAINING TOPOGRAPHY SURVEYS, INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING CERTIFICATIONS FOR OUR EQUIPMENT PARKING ENVIRONMENTAL, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED ENVIRONMENTAL BMPS.

UH, WE RUN A CLEAN FACILITY WITH, UH, WHICH WE MAINTAIN ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND, UH, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN CENTRAL ANY DAY, YOU CAN STOP BY OUR PROPERTY AND YOU WILL SEE IT'S ONE OF THE CLEANEST FACILITIES ON THAT STREET, AT LEAST IN THAT, UH, 522 ACRE.

UH, WE PAY OUR TAXES AND FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW.

AND THANK YOU FOR TELLING US SIR.

PARTY SYSTEM.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

NEXT SPEAKER.

MY NAME IS, GOOD AFTERNOON IS YUSEF SHAZA.

I'M DIRECTOR OF A IT CORPORATION, WHICH IS AL MAIRA INDUSTRIAL TRADING.

I AGREE WITH THIS, UH, REZONING FOR 522 ACRE AND 18 ON BASE OF WHAT THEY HAVE DECIDED SINCE 2019, 22, 23, AND 95 0 5 WAS PART OF THAT APPROVAL TO BE ALLY WHILE WE WERE IR.

THEREFORE, I SUGGEST FROM THE COMMITTEE, PLEASE EITHER CONSIDERS US AS A ALLY OR LET US TO BE AS WE WERE IR.

AND IN ADDITION, 95 0 5 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 95 27.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MISTAKE THEY HAVE MADE.

AND THAT SHINGLE SUBJECT THAT THEY ARE TALKING EVERYBODY THAT WAS A 95, 27 AND CITI ALREADY OWN THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

95 0 5.

WE ARE WORKING.

WE HAVE A CO EO AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK, HOPEFULLY BY YOUR HELP.

UM, I'VE BEEN IN THE METAL PROCESSING BUSINESS, UH, SINCE I WAS 22, 48 YEARS AGO.

I AM NEIL GOLDBERG, 55 30 PALAMA LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS, UH, BORN AND BRED A DALLASITE.

UM, I, I THINK I WOULD START BY SAYING THAT,

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AND, UM, I'VE SPENT MORE WAKING HOURS IN SOUTH DALLAS THAN PROBABLY ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM.

UH, AND INCLUDING, UH, WHERE I LIVE, I'VE SPENT MORE WAKING HOURS IN SOUTH DALLAS THAN I HAVE NEAR ROYAL LANE IN THE 75 WHERE I GREW UP.

WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY MADE ME REWRITE MY COMMENTS.

UH, I MEAN, I, I HAVEN'T WRITTEN MY COMMENTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THINGS.

WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO IS NOT FLORAL FARMS BY ANY MEANS.

AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING, AND I'VE ATTENDED ALMOST ALL THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AT THE VERY FIRST MEETINGS WHEN TENNELL ATKINS, UH, INTRODUCED HIMSELF AND SAID, THIS IS THE PROCESS WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH.

YOU EXISTING BUSINESS OWNERS WILL NOT SUFFER, UH, THAT WE WILL KEEP YOUR BUSINESSES AS IS.

UM, AND THE REASON I INVESTED IN THIS PROPERTY AT 95 0 6 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY WAS BECAUSE IT HAD A AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, SUP, AND WITH THIS ZONING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO CHANGE, UM, TO A FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT.

AND AS BUSINESS OWNERS, IF ANY OF YOU ARE ENTREPRENEURS, IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE LARGE INVESTMENTS OF CAPITAL WHEN YOUR TIMELINE FORWARD IS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM THAT, THAT WE'RE FACING.

SHINGLE MOUNTAIN HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP QUITE A BIT, AND I'M SUFFERING.

I'M PAYING THE PRICE BECAUSE OF SOME BAD ACTOR.

UM, THERE ARE BAD ACTORS IN EVERY PROFESSION, LAWYERS, DOCTORS, POLITICIANS, EVEN COMMISSIONERS.

NO, UH, PRESENT COMPANY EXCLUDED .

IT'S COST THE CITY MILLIONS, AND THEY'RE BACKTRACKING.

BUT WHAT I'M IN FAVOR OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL CAN COEXIST WITH RESIDENTIAL, WITH COMMERCIAL, WITH WHATEVER YOU WANT TO THROW IN THERE.

I'VE LIVED THROUGH IT.

I'VE SEEN IT IN CITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, AND I'M IN COMPLIANT WITH MY BUSINESS.

I KNOW MORE A A LOT MORE ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS AND, UH, THAN PROBABLY NO OFFENSE, I RESPECT THE YOUNG LADIES THAT SPOKE, BUT I'VE HAD A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE AT IT THAN THEY HAVE.

AND, UH, WAS AT THE THREE MINUTE.

YES, SIR, IT IS.

MY LAST COMMENT IS REALLY TO REINFORCE THAT ABOUT COEXISTENCE, BECAUSE I LIVED THROUGH IT AND THE BUSINESS THAT I HAD, THAT I SOLD ON SOUTH LAMAR STREET, THANK YOU, SIR.

THERE WERE RESIDENTS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THANK YOU.

AND WE SUPPORTED THEM.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, AND WE'RE GOOD CITIZENS, AND WE FOLLOW THE LAW.

AND I'M SORRY THAT SHINGLE MOUNTAIN DID NOT.

OKAY, SIR, BUT DON'T PUNISH ME, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME'S TREY BROWN, 9 6 0 1 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

I REPRESENT BROWN FAMILY PROPERTIES AND BIG CITY CRUSH CONCRETE, YOUR CITY'S LARGEST CONCRETE CYCLING BUSINESS THANKS TO STAFF FOR ALL THE WORKSHOP MEETINGS WE HELD ABOUT THIS REGION, SOLVING THE ISSUE OF A NON-COMPLIANT OR ILLEGAL BUSINESS OPERATORS UNDERLYING ISSUE, WHICH DROVE THIS ACTION.

THERE WAS ONE BAD APPLE AS A SOLUTION BEGUN BY CLEANING UP SHINGLE MOUNTAIN.

WE AS A CITY MOST STILL RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR PROTECTING REGIONS IN THE CITY, WHICH ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES, WHICH ARE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT OUR CITY'S DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE ALL WANT SMOOTH SIDEWALKS.

WE ALL WANT OUR POTHOLES PATCHED THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS TO PROVIDE THE SOLUTION FOR THESE PROJECTS.

THE REGION WE'RE SPEAKING OF IS NEXT TO THE NATION'S LARGEST MUNICIPAL LANDFILL IS DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PRISON, AND THE AREA IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY FLOODPLAIN.

IT'S NOT THE PLACE FOR A PARK QUESTIONABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.

IT'S THE AREA WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUSINESSES WHICH BUILD OUR CITY.

OUR CITY HAS PROVIDED FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AREA IN NORTHWEST DALLAS, AN AREA BETWEEN ROYAL LANE AND WALNUT HILL, BETWEEN LUNA ROAD AND I 35.

THESE NUMEROUS BUSINESSES OPERATE FOR BENEFIT OF OUR CITY.

PLEASE PRESERVE THE NECESSARY AREA IN SOUTHEAST DALLAS FOR THE BENEFIT OF

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THE CITY.

AND THESE VITAL BUSINESSES REMEMBER THAT AS OUR CITY GROWS, SO DOES THE NEED FOR THE SERVICES THESE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES PROVIDE, PLAN AND ALLOW FOR FUTURE GROWTH AND THE NEEDS OUR CITY CANNOT GROW WITHOUT THESE BUSINESSES.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS, UH, GREG, OB BOY, OBLO.

I, UH, I COME FROM DETROIT, UH, 2 7 7 5 STEVENS ROAD, WARREN, MICHIGAN, LITTLE TOWN NORTH OF DETROIT.

UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF UTSI FINANCE.

UH, WE OWN THE PROPERTY AT 9,000 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

IT'S A 50 ACRE PARCEL ON THE EAST SIDE AGAINST THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD.

WE OPERATE A LOGISTICS FACILITY.

WE'VE HAD THE PROPERTY FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS, GIVE OR TAKE.

I'M KIND OF HEARING IT'S KIND OF A, A TECHNICAL OBJECTION AND KIND OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR SAID EARLIER IS TO OBJECT TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE CURRENTLY ZONED IR STAFF WHO I JUST MET WITH THIS MORNING.

UM, AND WE JUST FOR WAY OF INFORMATION, WE JUST GOT NOTICE OF THIS LAST WEEK.

UM, AND SO IT WAS URGENT FOR ME TO GET DOWN HERE AND EDUCATE MYSELF AS TO WHAT WAS GOING ON.

AND STAFF DID THAT THIS MORNING FOR ME, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO, STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO TAKE OUR PROPERTY FROM IR TO IR TWO, I PROBABLY CAN STILL OPERATE OUR BUSINESS, UM, IN THAT SITUATION.

I HAVEN'T HAD A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF USES THAT ARE IN HER BETWEEN THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES, AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON.

AS I'VE HEARD THIS EVENING WITH FLORAL FARMS ON THE WEST SIDE, I COULD TELL YOU, UM, WE'RE AN INTERMODAL COMPANY.

I'M SURE OF IT THAT WE, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN, BUT THAT RAIL WAS PROBABLY ENTICING TO US 17 YEARS AGO WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.

I DROVE THE SITE YESTERDAY.

WE HAVE HUGE BUFFERS ON SOUTH CENTRAL PARKWAY, PROBABLY UPWARDS OF A HUNDRED FEET.

WE'RE AGAINST A RAIL.

WE'RE ONE ENTRANCE IN AND ONE ENTRANCE OUT, UH, FOR OUR OPERATION.

AND WE PROBABLY USE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE LAND THERE.

UM, WHAT I OBJECT TO IS A FURTHER DOWN ZONING BEYOND LI.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S KIND OF A, A TECHNICAL OBJECTION, UM, AS IT JUST APPLIES TO OUR PROPERTY.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE NOW, AND WE'RE DO OUR BEST TO BE AS BEST CITIZEN AS POSSIBLE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE? I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

WE'LL GO TO A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS WE HAVE ONLINE.

UM, MR. FERNANDEZ, WE CAN SEE YOU, MR. FERNANDEZ.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT, GUYS.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

UM, JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, I'VE, I MANAGE A, UH, OUTSIDE, UH, STORAGE FACILITY.

AND, UM, UM, AS FAR AS, UM, UH, UH, FOLLOWING THE RULES AND ALL THAT FIELD THAT WE HAVE, UM, OR WE APPLIED FOR, UM, WE, WE DO EVERYTHING.

UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THAT, UH, THIS COMPANY'S BEEN HERE AT THIS LOCATION FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, UH, INDUSTRIAL, UH, ATMOSPHERE AND SO FORTH.

BUT AS ANOTHER GENTLEMAN STATED EARLIER, UH, I BELIEVE WE WERE HERE FIRST.

SO, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR, FOR US AS A COMPANY TO BE PENALIZED AND PUSHED OUT.

THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, UH, IS LATER ON.

UH, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, UH, UPDATED TO LI AND THEN, UH, MAYBE LATER ON, UH, JUST PUSHED OUT COMPLETELY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ONLINE? JOR,

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ELI? OKAY.

HI, UH, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES, WE CAN.

AWESOME.

UH, THANKS FOR THE TIME, EVERYONE.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HEARD FROM, FROM ME.

UH, WE, I, I, UH, AM A PROPERTY OWNER AT 44 0 3 RIVER OAKS DRIVE, RIGHT OVER, UM, ON RIVER OAKS, WHERE THE MOST NOR NORTHERN, UH, PART OF THIS REZONING RIGHT NEXT TO BOBBY, UH, OR ROBERT FERNANDEZ.

UH, AND THE FIRST, THE REASON WHY WE, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ME IS WE NEVER REALLY GOT ANY NOTICE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE MARCH 7TH, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE HAD EVER HEARD ABOUT THIS REZONING AND GOTTEN ANY KIND OF NOTICES AT ALL.

AND WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HADN'T BEEN LOOPED INTO ANY OF THESE DECISIONS AT ALL, AND THIS JUST CAME OUT OF THE BLUE FOR US.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND AND, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED REGARDING THE PRESENCE OF TRUCKING, OUTDOOR STORAGE, AUTO SALVAGE YARDS, AND OTHER HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES IN OUR MIDST.

HOWEVER, I, I MUST ALSO CONVEY THAT THE UN, LIKE MY UNWAVERING BELIEF, THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS USE, UM, IN PRESERVING THIS USE, UH, IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY, FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA, AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS MARKET.

UM, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, LET'S REALLY NOT OVERLOOK THE VITAL ROLE THAT THESE ACTIVITIES PLAY IN OUR COMMITTEE, IN OUR COMMUNITIES ECONOMIC, UH, ECOSYSTEM.

THEY'RE NOT MERELY SOURCES OF EMPLOYMENT AND REVENUE.

THEY'RE ALSO THE LIVELIHOOD OF OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE ENTIRETY OF DALLAS, THEY PROVIDE JOBS FOR OUR RESIDENTS, GENERATE TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY TO FUND THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND SUPPORT THE NETWORK OF SMALL BUSINESSES AND SUPPLIERS THAT FORM THE BACKBONE OF THE ECONOMY.

AND AS YOU SEE DALLAS CONTINUING TO GROW WITH ALL THE, WITH, WITH ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE, OUR USE IN THE INDUSTRIAL, WHETHER IT'S THE TRUCKING, WHETHER IT'S OUTDOOR STORAGE, AUTO, SAL YARDS, WHATEVER IT NEED, THE, THE USE ONLY GROWS.

AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT IN THEIR BACKYARD.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT'S NOT A PRETTY THING, BUT IT'S, IT'S SO NECESSARY.

YOU WANT YOUR PACKAGES, UM, OR YOUR, AND YOUR DELIVERIES AND YOUR SUPPLY CHAINS TO, TO HAPPEN, UM, IMMEDIATELY LIKE AMAZON COMING THE NEXT DAY OR TWO DAY DELIVERY.

THESE, THESE, YOU, YOU, THESE, THIS TRUCK PARKING OPERATIONS, THESE OUTDOOR STORAGE THINGS ARE, ARE VITAL FOR THE EXISTENCE OF, OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

CONSIDER FOR THE MOMENT THAT THE LOGISTICAL IMPORTANCE OF THESE OPERATIONS AND THESE ACTIVITIES, OUR TRUCKING OPERATIONS, FAC OPERATIONS FACIL FACILITATE THE MOVEMENT OF GOODS AND MATERIALS ENSURING THAT THE ESSENTIAL PRODUCTS REACH BUSINESSES AND CONSUMERS IS IN, LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, ALL AROUND THE CO ALL AROUND THE, THE, THE CITY IN A TIMELY MANNER.

OUR OUTDOOR STORAGE FACILITIES PROVIDE A NECE A NECESSARY SPACE FOR BUSINESSES TO STORE EQUIPMENT, INVENTORY AND MATERIALS ENABLING THEM TO OPERATE EV EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY.

AND THE AUTO SALVAGE YARD, WH WHICH IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE USE THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY, RIGHT, WHERE IT'S REALLY MAINLY JUST TRUCK PARKING AND OUTDOOR STORAGE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH.

UM, YOU KNOW, AUTO SALVAGE YARDS ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT.

AND THANK YOU, SIR, THAT CONCLUDES YOUR THREE MINUTES.

UH, THEY PLAY CRUCIAL ROLE IN, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SERVE AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO WASTE.

WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER ONLINE, UH, MR. AZALA.

BILL, CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU HEAR AND SEE ME? WE CAN.

CS WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, A ZONING THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, BUT SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, FREE, YOU KNOW, FREE TO USE AS, AS OPPOSED TO IR.

UM, SO TO ECHO SOME OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE JUST GOT NOTIFICATION OF THIS JUST PRIOR TO MARCH 7TH, SO I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TIME TO PREPARE OR MUCH TIME TO DO ANYTHING, UH, REGARDING THESE CHANGES.

AND LIKE THESE OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID, AND OTHER LANDOWNERS, WE'VE BEEN IR FOR DECADES.

AND NOW, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS IT TO BE AGRICULTURAL.

I KNOW STAFF IS RECOMMEND, IS RECOMMENDING FOR SOME OF IT TO BE LI BUT STILL IS A TREMENDOUS DOWNGRADE AND RESTRICTING THE ABILITY OF WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE SITE.

UM, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAME REASON THAT WE MADE INVESTMENTS IN THIS PROPERTY, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT ONLY RESTRICT WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT ALSO, UH, PUNISH US, PUNISH US AS INVESTORS INTO THIS SITE.

AND AS YOU KNOW, AS WE USE THIS SITE JUST BASED ON, ON THE DOWN ZONING OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ADDITIONALLY, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TENANTS THAT ARE ON SITE AND, AND OPERATING, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE BASED ON THE CURRENT, UH, ON THE NEW ZONING.

UM, I THINK IT WAS

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UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY JUST MOM AND POP INVESTORS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE BOUGHT A HANDFUL OF PROPERTIES, THIS BEING ONE OF THEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE'RE, WE ARE INVESTORS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT A GIGANTIC COMPANY LOOKING TO JUST DO WHATEVER WE WANT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED WITH SHINGLE MOUNTAIN, WHICH WE HAD NEVER HEARD ABOUT UNTIL, UNTIL THESE MEETINGS, UH, IS A PROBLEM.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY A PROBLEM WITH THE ZONING, BUT A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE USING THINGS ILLEGALLY.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, TO, TO ECHO WHAT, WHAT ELI WAS SAYING PREVIOUSLY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UM, ONE OF THE OPPOSE ONE, SOMEBODY THAT WAS, UH, IN, UM, IN SUPPORT OF, OF THIS RECOMMENDATION, SHE WAS SAYING HOW THERE WAS A TRUCK JUST PARKED OUT ON THE STREET.

YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TRUCK PARKING, UH, NOT JUST IN THIS AREA, BUT JUST ACROSS ALL OF DFW AND THE ENTIRE US.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TRUCKS JUST PARKED OUT ON RANDOM STREETS AND HIGHWAYS, AND HAVING THIS OUTDOOR STORAGE AND OTHER TRUCK PARKING USES ALLOWS TO GET THEM OFF THE STREETS AND HAVE THEM IN A SECURE, SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

UM, THAT REALLY, THAT REALLY HELPS EVERYONE OVERALL.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE, YOU HAVE THESE FACILITIES AND INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES ALL, ALL IN THIS AREA AND AROUND THIS AREA, AND THERE'S JUST USUALLY NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR ALL OF THE TRUCKS THAT ARE DOING THE LOGISTICS FOR THEM.

AND WE OFFER THAT, UM, WE OFFER THAT AS AN ABILITY FOR THEM TO USE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND NOT CHANGING THE ZONING FROM IR, BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE CHANGED TO NOT BRING IT ALL THE WAY TO LI OR AGRICULTURE, BUT TO MAYBE CS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE TO, TO US, AND I THINK TO MANY OF THE OTHER, UM, UH, OWNERS AND INVESTORS AND TENANTS IN THIS AREA.

COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS? OH, SORRY.

IT'S, UH, 8,800, UH, JULIUS SHEPS FREEWAY.

WHAT WAS THAT? 8,800, UH, JULIUS SHEPS FREEWAY.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, GEORGE.

I THINK THAT'S THE LAST SPEAKER, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT? I DO.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, MAY I, MS. JACKSON, ARE YOU STILL THERE? I AM.

CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA BACK ON PLEASE? IT'S ON MS. JACKSON.

UM, IN YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, UM, YOU, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.

UM, YOU LIVE, YOU LIVE RIGHT THERE BY THE LOCATION THAT IS DEEMED TO BE ON THE, THE WESTERN SIDE OF SOUTH CENTRAL, CORRECT? YES.

AND YOU LIVE RIGHT THERE WHERE, UM, THE INFAMOUS SHINGLE MOUNTAIN USED TO BE USED TO, USED TO SHARE YOUR GATE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? CORRECT.

UM, THE, YOU AND YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, MOST OF, UH, THOSE THAT, THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR SAID THAT WAS, YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS ON, BUT YOU, YOU OPPOSED THE ALLY.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? I'M IN FAVOR OF THE AGRICULTURE ON THEI.

WHAT I DO, UM, OPPOSE IS THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO RESIDENTS AND, UM, SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER.

UM, IF WE COULD, UH, GUARANTEE NO MORE BATCH PLANS, THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.

UH, RIGHT NOW, JUST LIKE NEXT DOOR TO ME, THEY SAY THERE ARE A TRUCK PARKING, BUT ACTUALLY THEY HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SAY THAT THAT'S IN, THEY HAVE A CO, BUT WHEN YOU GO IN AND LOOK AT THE CO, THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN YOUR RESIDENCE, THOSE ARE ILLEGAL VIOLATIONS.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE BACKING UP TO A LOT OF RES A LOT OF BUSINESSES OR ARE FEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY OPERATING, UM, AND IN COMPLIANCE TO THE ZONING ON THE LA ON THE GROUND AND, AND WE WHATEVER THEIR C SAYS.

THE REALLY THE CRUX OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THOSE THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHAT'S

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COMMISSION.

UM, ONE OF THE, THE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITIONS TALKED ABOUT MR, OR IN FAVOR TALKED ABOUT MR. STEEL WELL'S PROPERTY.

CAN YOU SHARE WITH THIS BODY, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BUSINESSES, IT'S THE, THE BUSINESS THAT BACKS UP TO MR. STEEL WELL'S PROPERTY THAT, UM, IS MORE THAN A, A ILLEGAL BUSINESS, BUT IT'S, WHICH THE, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION I'M TRYING TO, OR THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO HELP ME TO, TO PRESENT IS LE IS THE CONCERN IS NOT THE LEGAL, BUT THE CONCERN ARE THOSE THAT ARE NOT OPERATING ACCORDING TO, TO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

COMMISSIONER, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY IT'S BOTH OF THEM REALLY.

UM, THAT COMPANY, MR. STILLWELL LIVES AT 54 4, UH, ROADS, AND HE IS SURROUNDED BY THE TRUCK PARKING, THE TRUCK PARKING CO SAID IT IS FOR A, UH, TRUCK SALES.

BUT IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, UH, AND UH, YOU SEE IT'S NO TRUCK SALES THERE, IT'S TRUCK PARKING SURROUNDED HIM AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON.

AND THAT IS THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE.

UH, IT'S SO EASY FOR BUSINESS OWNERS TO GO IN AND ASK FOR A CO AND THEY GET APPROVED CO, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY, UH, DOING THE BUSINESS THAT THEY ASKED FOR, AND THEY WERE PERMITTED FOR.

THIS IS NOT, AND, AND MS. MS. JACKSON, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENED FOUR YEARS AGO OR FIVE YEARS AGO.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

SO BASICALLY THIS PROCESS, OR IS, IS, ARE YOU, IS IT YOUR AGREEMENT THAT THIS PROCESS IS SOMETHING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT IS SYSTEMIC IN THIS COMMUNITY TO AGREE? AND ALSO, I WANNA, UM, JUST ADD IN THERE, UM, COMMISSIONER THAT, UH, THE YOUNG MAN SAID IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T ANY TRUCK PARKING I ISSUED, JUST LIKE WE ARE SAYING NOW ABOUT THE CO THE TRUCK PARKING THAT I STATED EARLIER TODAY.

IT WAS ON THREE 10.

THE TRUCKS WERE PARKED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THREE 10.

THAT'S A THREE LANE, TWO LANE STREET.

BUT WAIT, IT WAS ONLY ONE WAY.

AND THAT'S VERY ILLEGAL FOR A 18 WHEELER TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THREE 10 AND SHORT ROAD TO BE SITTING THERE.

AND SO, LIKE YOU SAID, THESE ARE SYSTEMATIC, NOT ONLY HERE IN A FLOOR FORMS, THESE ARE SOME ISSUES WE ARE TRYING TO, AND IT'S JUST UPHOLDING THAT.

SOME SAY THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT SHINGLE MOUNTAIN AND THEY'VE BEEN HERE 17 YEARS.

NUMBER LIKE 9,000 90, 0, 95, 0 5, 95 27.

UM, WELCOME MS. MAYO.

HI.

HOW ARE YOU TODAY? IS IT NOT ACCURATE THAT YOU AND I HAVE BEEN DOING A DANCE WITH FLORAL FARMS IN THIS COMMUNITY SINCE THE, SINCE ALMOST THE DAY I BECAME A COMMISSIONER? YES.

THAT WAS SIX YEARS AGO.

AND IS IT NOT ACCURATE? WE'VE GONE FROM, FROM ADVERSARIES TO, UH, SOMETHING OF A COMPLIANCY IN A CO, IN A ONE, IN A ONE WHERE WE ACTUALLY SMILE AT EACH OTHER IN ORDER TO, ONE, UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES, TWO, TO FIGURE OUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLEXITIES, AND THREE, TO SAY, LET'S JOIN FORCES AND WORK TOGETHER INSTEAD OF AN OPPOSITION TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO, TO SALVAGE WHAT WE CAN SALVAGE AND FIX WHAT WE CAN FIX.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU ARE ON THE SIDE OF APPROVING THIS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE OPPOSITION AND CONCERNS WITH THE LI ON, ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE EASTERN SIDE, BUT MORE ON THE WESTERN SIDE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THE EASTERN SIDE IS THIS THE, THE MCCOMBS DUMP SIDE AND THE WESTERN SIDE IS THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE? CORRECT.

SO ARE YOU SAYING WITH THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, THE ALLY IS ONLY ON THE EASTERN SIDE? NO, I'M SAYING YOUR CONCERN IS MORE ON THE, THE WESTERN SIDE AND NOT NECESSARILY ON THE EASTERN SIDE.

NOT, NOT NECESSARILY ON THE, THE SIDE WHERE THE STREETS ARE, ARE, ARE ON THE EVEN ADDRESS SIDE OPPOSED TO THOSE ON THE, THAT END IN, IN AN ODD

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THAT SIDE WHERE MS. OKAY.

THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE SIDE WHERE MS. JACKSON LIVES OPPOSED TO THE SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF, OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

SO WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH OUR DESIRE TO NOT HAVE ANY INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES.

AND SO ACTUALLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH CENTRAL, BUT SOUTH OF SIMPSON, STEWART, YOU HAVE BERMUDA ROAD, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST DENSITY OF HOMES.

YOU'VE GOT 19 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT THERE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH NO INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

UM, WE RECOGNIZE THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SIMPSON, STEWART AND EAST OF SOUTH CENTRAL, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IMMEDIATE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

BUT AGAIN, GIVEN THE WAY THAT, UM, THAT ACTORS HAVE SET UP SHOP HERE, THERE IS REASONABLE RESIDENT CONCERN ABOUT OPENING UP ANY INDUSTRIAL, UM, USES IN THIS COMMUNITY.

YOU'RE RIGHT, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT LITTLE POCKET OF RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ON THE WEST, ON THE EASTERN SIDE.

UM, THANK YOU QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR FOLKS IN SUPPORT.

AND WE ARE SEEING THIS AS A CRITICAL CORRIDOR TO, UH, ENABLE THAT VISION.

I THINK JUST MAYBE ONE OR TWO FOR, FOR MS. MAYO.

AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT I SAW YOUR POWERPOINT, I GUESS, THAT YOU DISTRIBUTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO SAYING CR OR RR.

THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME DISCUSSION BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WHO JUST HAD TO LEAVE ABOUT PING THE LI AND ADDRESSING USES ON A MORE CASE BY CASE BASIS.

WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT THERE? HAVE YOU GIVEN THAT ANY THOUGHT? YEAH, SO I WAS INVOLVED WITH DRAFTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN BACK FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS AGO.

AND WE CONFRONTED THE REALITY THAT I THINK YOU ALL ARE FACING TODAY, WHICH IS THE CODE FAILS NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE FLORAL FARMS. WE WANT TO HAVE THE NURSERIES AND AGRICULTURAL USES PRESERVED AND ENHANCED, BUT EVEN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT HAS A LOT OF, UM, USES THAT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THAT CATEGORY.

SO WHEN WE DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING SPECIFICALLY THIS TRACT THAT HAS BEEN SLATED FOR LI, WE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD CONSENSUS THAT IT SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SPACE TO HAVE YOUR GROCERY STORE.

THE LARGER, UM, LOT COMMERCIAL.

AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS A GATEWAY FOR, FROM, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN SUBURBS AS WELL AS AN ALTERNATE ROUTE FROM 45.

PAUL QUINN COLLEGE IS LESS THAN A MILE AWAY.

THE DROPPY FRIEDMAN TOWN LESS THAN A MILE NORTH.

AND HIGHLAND HILLS ONE OF THE MOST, YOU KNOW, DENSELY POPULATED PARTS OF DISTRICT EIGHT, AGAIN CLOSE TO PAUL QUINN.

SO THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE THESE INDUSTRIAL LAND USES ACCEPTED WITHIN THESE BOUNDARIES, WHETHER THAT BE, YOU KNOW, C-C-R-C-S, AGAIN, THE CODE IS NOT, UM, THE BEST AND WE'RE WORKING WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE PROPOSED EITHER AG OR SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL THAT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE INDUSTRIAL USES.

AND WHAT IS THE COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED A, A GROCERY STORE IS THEY'RE THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.

THERE'RE JUST, I MEAN, WE STRUGGLE ALL THE TIME TO ATTRACT GROCERY STORES INTO THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, YOU KNOW, IN AREAS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FAR MORE DENSE THAN THIS.

THEY'RE, I MEAN, HOW REALISTIC IS A, IS A GROCERY STORE THERE? I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S ALL TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, MARKET ANALYSIS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A ZONING.

UM, THE ZONING THAT PUT FLORAL FARMS ON THIS TRACK HAPPENED DECADES AGO.

WE'RE TRYING TO BRING YOU ALL ON BOARD WITH TURNING THE TRAJECTORY FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE NEXT 10, 20 YEARS.

YOU CAN SEE DOWNTOWN DALLAS FROM THE INTERSECTION WHERE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL.

IF DALLAS IS TRYING TO BE THE CITY IT CLAIMS TO BE, WE ARE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING SOUTH.

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I'M, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE, THE VISION AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT MAY MATERIALIZE IN THAT AREA.

SO, UM, I MAY HAVE A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE, BUT I'LL CONTINUE TO MULL IT OVER AND ALLOW SOME OF MY, MY COLLEAGUES TO JUMP IN WITH QUESTIONS.

AND JUST ONE LAST THOUGHT ON THAT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS THE FLOODPLAIN.

THIS IS THE LARGEST, YOU KNOW, THE TRINITY RIVER FOREST IS THE LARGEST URBAN FOREST IN THE UNITED STATES.

THE CITY HAS DONE A TERRIBLE JOB AT PRESERVING AND ENHANCING THIS ASSET.

UM, AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DETER PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO MOVE TO THE CITY IF WE CONTINUE TO TREAT IT THIS WAY.

SO AGAIN, THE CITY HASN'T, WE'VE PROPOSED HAVING ENVIRONMENTAL OVERLAY DISTRICTS WHERE YOU ACTUALLY DO NOT DEVELOP, UM, YOU DEVELOP ENVIRONMENTAL RECREATIONAL ASSETS INSTEAD OF HAVING JUST POURED CONCRETE AND, AND KIND OF BIG BOX STORES.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING YOU ALL TO JOIN US IN BEING AMBITIOUS OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT THIS COMMUNITY SHOULD LOOK LIKE 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ANY OF US HAVE THE, THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION HERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE BEST PATH FORWARD.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU, UM, TAKING THE TIME TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE, MS. I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

AND I, I HEAR YOU.

WHEN YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO, TO, TO CHANGE THINGS, HOW, WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE THAT WE DO WITH THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF THE CITY IF WE HAVE NO PLACE FOR THEM TO BE, IF THIS IS THE PLACE THAT THE CITY HAS SEEN TO DEEM TO DEEM ITS LOCATION? I'M JUST TRYING TO PLAY THE D DEVIL'S ADVOCATE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND I AM NOT, WHATEVER WE DO, WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM AND WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

SO I MEAN, THE, IN THE INLAND PORT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE CITY, UM, DETERMINING A REGIONAL HUB FOR, UM, A LOT OF THESE CRITICAL LOGISTICS AND SERVICES.

UM, WHAT WE ARE REACTING TO TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN FLORAL FARMS, IN JOI, IN WEST DALLAS IS INAPPROPRIATE INDUSTRIAL HUBS THAT WERE SLATED THERE MAYBE, UM, BEFORE THEY WERE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

BUT WE'RE RECKONING WITH THEM TODAY, AND THEY'RE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IN NEED OF MORE HOUSING, IN NEED OF MORE SERVICES, IN NEED OF BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND SO WITH THE COMMITMENTS TO RACIAL EQUITY, WITH THE IMPENDING IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE, UM, IT'S ON US TO MAKE WHOLE THESE SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SHOULDERED THE BURDEN WITHOUT THE BENEFITS AND ACTUALLY PREPARE THE CITY FOR GROWTH THAT IS BOTH SUSTAINABLE AND EQUITABLE.

AND TO ME, THE INLAND PORT IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD BE GOING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? SPEAKERS IN, IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER HAND THE PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. BOWERS.

I THINK YOU HAD A FINAL THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO SHARE WITH US.

UH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UH, THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY FROM IR TO AGRICULTURAL, AND THERE'S NO DEMAND TO PUT A FARM OR A RANCH ON AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY WHEN THERE'S VACANT LAND ELSEWHERE.

IN ADDITION, MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY IS LESS THAN THREE ACRES, SO IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A RESIDENCE THERE UNDER THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING OF THE CITY.

AND SO IT BASICALLY WILL GIVE MY CLIENTS PROPERTY A NEGATIVE MARKET VALUE.

YES, THE NON-CONFORMING USE CAN CONTINUE, BUT IF THEY EVER TRY TO SELL IT, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, UH, TO GET FINANCING, ET CETERA.

UH, SO THAT'S WHY MY CLIENT IS ASKING TO RETAIN SOME SORT OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING, PERHAPS GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM IR TO LI.

BEEN A CHANGE IN THE, THEIR USE OF THE PROPERTY OR A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP? I WAS RETAINED ON THIS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, AND I REALLY, MY CLIENTS ARE IN THE BEST POSITION TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

AND SO IN OUR CASE REPORT, IT'S SHOWING THAT THE CO WAS ISSUED IN JANUARY OF 2022.

AND I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN AN OWNER FOR LONGER THAN THAT.

HAS THERE

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IF, IF THEY WOULD.

AGAIN, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER PARTICULARS, BUT, AND I DID HEAR YOU SAY, AND I THINK OUR, UM, STAFF HAS TOLD US THEY, IF THIS IS APPROVED AS IT WAS SUBMITTED, THEY WILL HAVE NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS, SO THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS WILL CONT OR CAN CONTINUE.

AND I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE WELL VERSED THAN I AM AND WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER NON-CONFORMING USES.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE OF, OF THEIR RIGHTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM EVEN UNDER THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO, YES.

RUBIN? YEAH.

UH, MR. BOWERS, SORRY FOR HAVING YOU CLIMB HALF A HALF A STAIRCASE, BUT I NEED THE EXERCISE , I COULD USE IT TOO.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

UM, SO YOU'RE A ATTORNEY WHO FOCUSES ON, ON, AMONG OTHER THINGS LAND USE AND ZONING ISSUES, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

I WAS WITH THE CITY FOR 27 YEARS AND MUCH OF MY TIME I WAS EITHER DRAFTING, ZONING ORDINANCES, OR DEFENDING THEM IN COURT.

AND, UH, WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR SERVICE CITY.

AND YOU, YOU DISTRIBUTED THIS COPY OF THE 2006 FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE, THE VISION ILLUSTRATION, I THINK IS THE NAME THAT THEY FINALLY LANDED ON AFTER QUITE A BIT, BIT OF BACK AND FORTH, RIGHT? YES.

AND AS YOU SAID THAT STATE LAW GENERALLY REQUIRES ZONING TO FOLLOW THE COMP PLAN, CORRECT? YES.

AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A REWRITE OF THE COMP PLAN? YES.

IT'S NOT BEEN FINISHED AT THIS TIME.

IT'S, IT'S IN PROCESS.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME WILL BE.

, BUT POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT SAYING WHETHER YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONCERNED, I ULTIMATELY AGREE WITH THAT.

THE REWRITE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COULD, YOU KNOW, DO AWAY WITH THAT CONCERN OF LACK OF CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS YOU HOLD THIS CASE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS CHANGED.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRACTION IT'S GONNA GET AROUND THIS HORSESHOE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I DON'T KNOW WHO TO DIRECT THIS TO, MAYBE STAFF, BUT JUST LOOKING, UH, AT SOME DATA ONLINE.

OH, OPPOSITION.

OPPOSITION.

UH, WHO WAS HERE FIRST? WAS IT THE BUSINESSES WHO WAS HERE FIRST? YEAH.

UH, WELL, AS, UH, AS MENTIONED, IT WAS NOT PART OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT WHO WAS HERE FIRST IS THE, UH, I MEAN, BESIDES THE ANNA DARKO INDIANS AND AMERICANS I'M TALKING ABOUT, I WOULD SAY THAT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT CREATED THE AGRICULTURAL FARMS WERE HERE IN THE 1870S AND 1880S.

AND THOSE, THOSE COMMUNITIES EVOLVED INTO FLORAL FARMS AND JPI.

BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE A, AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD OR INDUSTRIAL USES, WHO WAS THERE FIRST? THE AGRICULTURAL USES WERE HERE FOR THE FARMERS.

WERE HERE FIRST.

NOW, GRANTED THIS, I MEAN, THE BEST SOIL AGAIN, IS IN FLOOD PLAINS, SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS, UH, ATTRACTIVE FOR THAT.

YOU'LL SEE THAT THROUGHOUT DALLAS, UH, AND OTHER PLACES AROUND THE WORLD ACTUALLY, AND PEOPLE TEND TO GO WHERE THE FLOODPLAINS ARE.

COMMISSIONER, DID YOU, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT THE, UH, CAN YOU COME DOWN HERE? SURE.

IF I COULD HELP YOU, COMMISSIONER, UM, RECOGNIZE THAT THE RAIL LINE WAS THERE AND THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES EVOLVED ADJACENT TO THE RAIL LINE.

PRIOR, PRIOR TO ANY RESIDENTIAL GROWTH OTHER THAN PY.

SPEAK TO THAT.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

THERE'S ACTUAL, UM, RECORDS OF WHEN THE HOMES WERE BUILT, AND THEY WERE ALL, BEFORE ANY INDUSTRY WAS THERE.

IT WAS THE FARMS, UM, AND THE NURSERIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS.

AND THEN THE HOMES WERE IN THIRTIES, FORTIES, AND FIFTIES.

AND THAT'S JUST ALL ONLINE AVAILABLE.

TWO.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO, TO THE YOUNG LADY THAT JUST SPOKE? SORRY, THIS IS DARREL.

I'M ON LINE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT .

UM, CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE, UM, THE CEMETERIES THAT EXIST? UM, I THINK THERE'S ONE COMMISSIONER HERBERT, WE NEED YOUR CAMERA ON.

OH, SORRY.

IS THAT IT? AM I READY NOW? YES, SIR.

UM, THE, THE CEMETERIES THAT EXIST ALONG THE 45 CORRIDOR, AND I THINK THERE, THERE ARE TWO ACTUALLY.

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CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THAT? DO YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE ON THOSE TWO? THERE ARE RESIDENTS IN PY THAT CAN SPEAK ON THAT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE ARE ALL NORTH OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING, BUT THEY WERE IMPACTED BY 45.

GOTCHA.

AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE FOUR FARMS COMMUNITY, UM, WERE FORCED OH.

HAD TO BURY THEIR PEOPLE AT THAT CEMETERY AS WELL, UM, WHICH MADE THE DISTANCE, UH, 45 MADE THAT DISTANCE A LOT FURTHER THAN IT USED TO BE.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, FORMER SLAVES WERE ACTUALLY ON THE LAND OF JAPE AND AROUND, UH, NOT FORMER SLAVES, ACTUAL SLAVES, I'M SORRY.

UM, WERE AROUND THAT AREA.

SO, UM, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF THE CITY, UM, ITSELF OR THE, THE FOUNDING OF THE CITY ITSELF AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS ON HOW OLD THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN.

THERE.

DID, DID THAT QUESTION.

GOOD.

UH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I, I DIDN'T CATCH THE LAST PART OF YOUR COMMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT WAS A QUESTION THERE AT THE END.

MY APOLOGIES.

NO, IT WASN'T A QUESTION.

UM, SHE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER IT.

I WAS JUST MAKING A POINT OF, UH, INFORMATION.

UH, LAST CHAIR, RUBIN.

SORRY.

UH, MS. MAYO, ONE MORE FOLLOW UP.

UH, YOU MENTIONED RECORDS CHRONICLING THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, WHETHER IT BE RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURE, AGRICUL AGRICULTURAL, OR, OH, SORRY, MS. MAYO, YOU, YOU MENTIONED RECORDS SHOWING THE DEVELOPMENTAL OF THE AREA BEING AT RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIAL RAILROAD.

CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WHAT THOSE RECORDS ARE AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND THEM? SURE.

SO ACTUALLY, UM, MR. UH, SUKUP, UM, ON THE CALL, THEY, HIS FATHER HAS BEEN WORKING AT THEIR PROPERTY, UM, FOR THE LA YOU KNOW, HIS WHOLE LIFE.

SO HE CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST TO, UM, ESTABLISHING THEIR NURSERY AND HOW LONG THEY'VE HAD THAT USE THEMSELVES.

SAME WITH, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER NURSERY JUST OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES WHERE MR. NOD, BURNETT, HE'S ALSO OPERATED IT FOR 90 YEARS, IT'S BEEN IN HIS FAMILY.

UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST PERSONAL FIRSTHAND TESTIMONIES.

IN TERMS OF THE HOMES, WE LOOKED UP THE PROPERTY RECORDS FOR EVERY HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CREATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS.

SO THAT'S JUST DEC AD.

UM, YEAH.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE.

OF COURSE.

MR. BROWN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU COME DOWN FOR ME PLEASE? MR. BROWN, CAN YOU EX SHARE WITH, WITH THE, THE, THE BODY HERE, WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU GET IT DONE, AND THE, AND THE QUALITY OF THE BUSINESS YOU'RE OPERATING.

UH, AND I MEAN, JUST, JUST BRIEFLY, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.

YES, COMMISSIONER, I, I BRIEFLY WILL, AND I'M, AND I'M HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS IN GENERAL.

I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO MY INDUSTRY, WHICH IS CONCRETE RECYCLING.

35 YEARS AGO, WE SOLVED A PROBLEM OF ILLEGAL DUMPING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND, UH, STARTED RECEIVING CONCRETE TO RECYCLE IT.

IT'S A PROCESS NOT UNLIKE, UM, UH, ROCK CRUSHING, BUT IT REDUCES LARGE CONCRETE INTO SMALL CONCRETE.

WE DO IT LOCALLY IN TOWN, SO WE REDUCE THE TRANSPORTATION DISTANCE FROM THE GENERATOR OF THE MATERIAL, THE CITY, THE SIDEWALKS, THE STREETS, DEMOLITION OF BUILDINGS IN FAVOR OF REVITALIZATION, PROVIDING NEW GRAVEL.

IT'S A CLEAN MONITOR BY TCEQ.

ALL THE STANDARDS ARE SET FORTH BY THEM, FURTHER ADMINISTERED BY CITY OF DALLAS ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICE.

AT ANY RATE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE ENCOURAGE THAT MATERIAL GENERATED WITHIN THE CITY BE RECYCLED FOR REUSE BACK INTO THE CITY.

THAT REQUIRES VERY STRINGENT RE APPLICATION OF LAND USE, BEING CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED, ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL ROADWAYS AND ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.

OUR TYPICAL NEIGHBORS ARE RAILROAD TRACKS, LANDFILLS, AND FLOOD PLAIN.

SO WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THIS PROCESS, AND I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE HAD MANY A CONVERSATION ABOUT

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YOUR BUSINESS IN THE, AND BEING IN COMPLIANT WITH NOT ONLY WITH STATE LAW, FEDERAL LAW, AND LOCAL ZONING, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

AND YOU, WHAT YOU, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU IMPRESSED UPON ME WAS THAT YOU COULDN'T STAY IN BUSINESS AS LONG AS YOU HAVE.

IF YOU DID NOT DO THAT.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? CORRECT.

I'M PROUD OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD.

UM, SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT IT MAY BE THAT YOU MAY BE ONE OF THE ANOMALIES IN THAT AREA FROM, FROM, FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT THE CLEANLINESS OF YOUR LOCATION TO OTHERS? COMMISSIONER? IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO FOLLOW WHAT I STATED EARLIER.

THIS IS EVOLVED OUT OF ONE BAD APPLE, ONE BAD COMPANY BROUGHT THIS ON.

THE IMPORTANT THING TO THINK ABOUT HERE IS WE DO HAVE THE NATION'S LARGEST MUNICIPAL LANDFILL ON THIS STREET.

THIS IS A STATE HIGHWAY.

IT IS A QUARTER MILE FROM THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY, AND THIS IS A GOOD PLACE FOR BUSINESSES WHICH REQUIRE LARGE TRUCK TRAFFIC.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

I'M DONE.

A A NUMBER OF OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, AND I'LL DEFER TO WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE THIS.

I WAS TRYING TO TRACK THE PROPERTY ADDRESSES, AND I THINK WE HEARD A FEW OF THEM MENTION THAT THEY'RE WITHIN WHAT IS BEING SUGGESTED AS ALLY.

AND WE'VE GOT THE LIST WITHIN OUR DOCKET THAT IS IDENTIFYING THE SIX PROPERTIES THAT WOULD, UM, BECOME NON-CONFORMING ON THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE US TODAY.

I, IS IT CR, I MEAN, I COULDN'T TRACK ALL OF THEM, BUT A NUMBER OF THEM APPEAR TO BE THEIR USES WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED IN THE PROPOSAL BEFORE US.

IS THAT A, I MEAN, IT, I KNOW STAFF HAS DONE AN, UH, YEOMAN'S JOB TRYING TO ALL THE PARCELS, ALL THE BUSINESSES, WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.

BUT COULD YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, WERE YOU ALL ABLE TO, TO FOLLOW, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL THE, THE FOLKS WHO SPOKE TODAY.

I MEAN, IS IS THAT CORRECT THAT A NUMBER OF 'EM, WHILE WE'RE IN OPPOSITION, THEIR USES WOULD BE ALLOWED IN WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, SO STAFF DID THE BEST THAT THEY COULD WITH THE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY USES THAT NEEDED THE SPECIAL NOTIFICATION.

UH, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE MAY HAVE MISSED SOME, BUT BASED ON THE OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE CEOS THAT WE HAVE IN THE DATABASE, WE TRIED OUR BEST TO NOTIFY THEM.

YOU'VE SEEN SOME THAT HAVE COME HERE WITH TWO NOTICES.

UH, WE TRIED TO ERROR ON THE, OVER A, OVER A NOTIFICATION IN CASES WHERE WE, WE COULD SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THAT THERE WOULD BE NONCONFORMITY ISSUE.

WE DID TRY TO SEND THE NOTICE BOTH TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND TO THE BUSINESS THAT WAS THERE, THE BUSINESS OWNER AS WELL.

AND THOSE WERE ALL DEVELOPED FROM THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES, CORRECT? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, WHAT WE COULD DETERMINE.

NOW, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OPERATION, A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON HERE THAT ARE SO DIFFICULT THAT ARE YEAH.

TO HAVE A COMPLETE PICTURE OF THE WHOLE STORY, BUT TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE AT THE TIME, WE TRY TO NOTIFY.

THOSE WHO WE COULD DETERMINE.

AND, AND I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE FOR THOSE WHO I, I KNOW SOME OF THE ONES I WAS ABLE TO SEE SPECIFICALLY ON THE SOUTHERN END THAT ARE IN THE AGRICULTURE THAT ARE HERE.

I DO RECOGNIZE THAT NOT ALL OF THEM ARE WITHIN THE LI SO I DO WANNA STATE, BUT I WAS TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE, THE NUMBER OF THE BUSINESSES BEING, UM, POTENTIALLY IMPACTED.

KEEP THE, WE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISE AND KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL MAY 2ND, AT WHICH TIME I'M ASKING STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UM, FURTHERING ADJUSTMENTS ON THE LI PORTION THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE, UM, SOME OF THE, THE, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HEARD TODAY.

COMMISSIONER HADDEN.

WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, WHERE AM I ABLE TO, TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT, UM, UH, THAT LIKE, UH, HELLO? HMM.

YEAH, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU SPOKE TO ABOUT, I'M SORRY, SIR.

WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PAST IT IN PUBLIC INPUT.

OH, SORRY.

I THOUGHT YOU, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN, UH, IN OPPOSITION.

UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 180 9 3 DASH 3 41, I MOVE THAT WE

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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAKE FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISE UNTIL MAY 2ND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

BUT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK TO AND WE'RE TASKED TO DO, IS TO LOOK AT THE ZONING AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE LAND USE BASED ON THE NEEDS AND THE, THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

UH, SO I THINK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAD A, A COMMENT, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'LL HAVE A COMMENT.

YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO AMEND COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARCELS THAT ARE, UH, THEY SUGGESTED STRAIGHT ALLI ZONING WITH, UM, WITH REGARD TO LOOKING AT A PD THAT ELIMINATES, UH, WITHI, YOU KNOW, ZONING AS THE BASE, BUT ELIMINATES, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR USES INCLUDING BUS OR RAIL TRANSIT, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE OR STORAGE MACHINERY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR TRUCK SALES AND SERVICE, COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING, TRUCK STOP, COMMERCIAL BUS STATION AND TERMINAL FREIGHT TERMINAL AND OUTSIDE STORAGE WITH VISUAL SCREEN.

CAN I PLEASE COMMISSIONER BLACK.

THIS HAS HA ALL OF THIS HAS TAKEN PLACE FAR BEYOND, FAR EARLIER THAN WHEN ANY OF US CAME TO THIS HORSESHOE.

THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT WHAT HAS HAPPENED DECADES AND DECADES AGO IS NOW FALLING ON US TODAY TO FIND A FIX THAT, THAT FITS IN FOR EVERYBODY.

THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS BODY IS GONNA BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND TO MAKE IT RIGHT FOR EVERYBODY.

BUT WHAT I AM TASKED TO DO IS TO DO THE BEST THAT I CAN IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE BUSINESS AND COME BACK TO A PLACE OF KUMBAYA.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

WE ARE ALL GIRL SCOUTS, RIGHT? ? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THOSE THAT, THAT TALKED ABOUT TRUCK PARKING AND WAREHOUSING, LIKE, UH, LIKE MS. MAYO SAID, WE HAVE THE INLAND PORT PD 7 61.

IT'S NOT FAR FROM HERE.

IT'S RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE SAME CORRIDOR AND IT IS SATISFYING THE NEEDS OF THE LOGISTICS COMMUNITY.

EVERYONE KEEPS SAYING THAT I WAS HERE FIRST, BUT I WAS HERE FIRST AND WE WERE GIVEN 2006 FORD DALLAS, BUT NONE OF US HAVE STAYED THE SAME.

IF, IF WE HAD, I'D STILL BE 20 AND I WOULD LOOK LIKE A 20-YEAR-OLD.

BUT AS TIME MOVES ON, SO DOES WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I WAS HERE FIRST, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE, IN THE EYES OF WHOEVER IS SAYING IT, EVEN IN YOUR BUSINESS, YOU MAKE ADJUSTMENTS EVERY YEAR, EVERY FIVE YEARS, EVERY 10 YEARS.

OTHERWISE YOU STILL WOULD NOT BE IN BUSINESS.

EVEN IN OUR HOMES, WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

I JUST DID A WHOLE LOT OF REMODELING.

I HAD TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

I STILL HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO DO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN MY PROPERTY.

WHO WAS HERE FIRST? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS I WILL SIT DOWN WITH STAFF AND WE WILL LOOK AT ALL THAT WAS SET, AND WE WILL COME UP WITH THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE MAJORITY.

BUT AS WAS ALSO SAID, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND WHAT IS ZONED AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY CORRECT THIS, THAT THERE'S ANOTHER PROCESS.

AND THAT PROCESS WILL TRULY WORK ITSELF OUT TO HELP FIX ALL SOME OF WHAT IS IS GOING ON THAT MAYBE SHOULD NOT.

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SO I ASK THAT YOU ALL BE PATIENT, SHOULD BE COMMUNICATIVE.

WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU, AND WE WILL DO OUR BEST IN ORDER TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE MAJ FOR, FOR THE BEST OF US.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY REAL QUICK, IN LIGHT COMMISSIONER, IN LIGHT OF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENT, IF THERE IS A DESIRE OF THE BODY TO CHANGE THE LI DISTRICT TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAY NECESSARILY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SB 9 29 NOTICES.

SO I JUST WANT THE BODY TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

DULY NOTED.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.

COMMISSIONER.

UH, 6 36, 2 3 4, 6 30.

7, 6, 6, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 6.

DO WE HAVE, UH, ANYONE ONLINE? DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS ONLINE? 1, 2, 5, 6, 7.

WE NEED ONE MORE.

OH, THERE'S COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL KEEP GOING FOR, UH, CASE NUMBER 18.

EVENING COMMISSIONERS? YES, SIR, WE'RE READY FOR YOU.

STANDALONE BUILDING, WHICH IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MAIN USE.

ITEM NUMBER 18 SPSD 2 2 3 0 0 1.

UH, JASON POOL DEVELOPMENT SERVICE ADMINISTRATOR, SPSD 2 2 3 0 0 1 IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE A NEW SPECIAL PROVISION SIGNED DISTRICT ON PROPERTY CONTAINING THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER TO BE KNOWN AS THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE SIGN DISTRICT.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 67.12 ACRES AND IS ZONED RR REGIONAL RETAIL.

EXISTING LAND USES INCLUDE RETAIL, RESTAURANT, AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS APPLICATION IS TO CREATE A NEW SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT FOR THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE SHOPPING SIGN OR SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, IT'S TO ALLOW FOR A REFRESHED SIGNAGE AESTHETIC.

UH, IT'S THREEFOLD, UH, TO PROMOTE THE ECONOMIC SUCCESS OF THE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

ATTRACT THE PUBLIC TO GOODS AND SERVICES AVAILABLE IN THE DISTRICT, AND TO PRESERVE HISTORICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE SIGNAGE IN THE DISTRICT.

UH, THE SITE'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ILLINOIS AND ZANG.

UH, HERE'S A MAP THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION IN RELATION TO THE OTHER PSDS.

UH, IF APPROVED, THIS WOULD BE THE SOUTHERNMOST SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT.

HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP AND THE ZONING MAP.

UH, THE SURROUNDING AREA INCLUDES PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WITH SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE AND MULTI-FAMILY TO THE NORTH.

UH, THERE IS A LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT, UH, AND TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT TO THE WEST, MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH.

UH, THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO THE EAST AND A MIXED USE DISTRICT.

UH, CONDITIONS ARE BASED PRIMARILY ON BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICTS.

UH, MOST OF THE MODIFICATIONS ARE GEARED TOWARDS DE PATCH SIGNAGE.

UH, ONE OF THE KEY OBSTACLES FOR THIS SITE IS THAT IT IS ALL ONE PLATTED LOT, UH, WHICH LIMITS A LOT OF THE DETACHED SIGNAGE.

UM, UNDER BASE CODE, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE DETACHED SIGN PER FRONTAGE.

UM, IN THIS CASE FOR THE SBSD, UH, IT DOES INCREASE SETBACKS FOR MINIMUM MINIMUMS ON THOSE SIGNS TO FIVE FEET.

IT REDUCES THE SPACING BETWEEN DETACHED SIGNS.

UM, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT REQUIRES ALL DETACHED SIGNS BE MONUMENT SIGNS.

UH, FOR MONUMENT SIGNS IN GENERAL, UH, THEY MAY NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN HEIGHT OR 25 FEET IN WIDTH FOR SINGLE TENANT MONUMENT SIGNS.

UH, THERE ARE MANY SINGLE TENANT BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE, INCLUDING, UH, SEVERAL OF THE RESTAURANTS.

THERE'S A BANK.

UM, THIS ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE SINGLE TENANT MONUMENT SIGNS.

UM, THERE ALLOWED NO MORE THAN ONE SIGN PER

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UH, THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, AND THEY MAY NOT EXCEED A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET IN EFFECTIVE AREA.

UH, THERE'S PROVISIONS FOR MULTI-TENANT SIGNS A MAXIMUM OF TWO PER STREET FRONTAGE WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WITH A MINIMUM 400 FEET SEPARATION FROM EACH OTHER.

AND SIGNS LOCATED MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ARE PERMITTED WITHOUT LIMITATIONS.

I THINK, UH, IN MOST CASES, THOSE WOULDN'T BE SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UH, THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR SUBDIVISION SIGNS, UM, ALLOWING ADDITIONAL SIZE, UH, ILLUMINATION, NON-COMMERCIAL MESSAGES.

UH, THERE IS A ADDITIONAL HEIGHT LIMITATION ON THERE OF, OF EIGHT FEET, AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE PER STREET ENTRANCE PROVIDED.

THERE ARE NO OTHER DETACHED SIGNS AT THAT ENTRANCE.

UH, THERE IS PROVISIONS FOR PYLON SIGNS.

THESE WOULD BE LARGE SIGNS, WHICH I'LL DEMONSTRATE LATER IN SOME OF THE, UH, EXHIBITS.

BUT THESE MAY NOT EXCEED 50 FEET IN HEIGHT OR 1,250 SQUARE FEET.

AGAIN, THESE WOULD BE MONUMENT SIGNS.

SO EVERYTHING ABOVE GRADE WOULD BE CONSIDERED EFFECTIVE AREA.

UH, THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF ONE OF THESE PER STREET FRONTAGE, AND THEY MUST BE LOCATED WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

THERE'S PROVISIONS FOR ADDITIONAL SIZE AND HEIGHT ON MOVEMENT CONTROL SIGNS, THE IDEA THAT THESE BE LOCATED ANYWHERE WITHIN THE, THE DISTRICT, UH, TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE WAYFINDING WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

THIS IS A VERY LARGE SHOPPING CENTER AND, UH, WE DID SEE THAT IT WAS, IT WAS CRITICAL THAT, UH, THESE SIGNS BE INCLUDED TO HELP GUIDE, UH, PEDESTRIANS AS WELL AS VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

UM, THERE ARE PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW THESE TO CONTAIN ADVERTISING, ADVERTISING AND IDENTIFICATION MESSAGES.

UM, ATTACHED SIGNAGE.

THERE ARE, UH, ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR FLAT ATTACHED SIGNS BASED ON, UH, LEASE SPACE.

AND THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT ALL CONDUIT AND RACEWAYS BE CONCEALED.

UH, THERE'S AN ADDITION OF A CANOPY SIGN UNDER BASE ZONING.

THESE AREN'T INCLUDED, UH, AS WELL AS AN ARCADE SIGN AND A BLADE SIGN.

FOR CANOPY SIGNS.

THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO 30 SQUARE FEET AND THEY CAN PROJECT ABOVE THE CANOPY UP TO THREE FEET, UH, MAXIMUM OF ONE SIGN PER CANOPY.

AGAIN, RACEWAYS MUST BE CONCEALED.

THERE'S, UH, THESE ARCADE SIGNS.

IN ADDITION OF THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE SIGNS THAT HANG DOWN FROM THE ARCADE, UH, VISIBLE PRIMARILY TO PEDESTRIANS.

THEY MAY NOT EXCEED SIX SQUARE FEET OR TWO FEET IN HEIGHT AND BLADE SIGNS, WHICH UNDER BASE ZONING WOULD BE, UH, PROJECTING SIGNS, AND THESE MAY NOT EXCEED 30 SQUARE FEET, AND ADDITIONAL NUMBERS WOULD BE ALLOWED BASED ON THE TENANT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AS FAR AS WINDOW SIGNS, UM, THEY MAY NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT OR WIDTH, AND LETTERING WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE UPPER TWO THIRDS OF THE WINDOW, WHEREAS UNDER BASE ZONING, ALL WINDOW SIGNAGE MUST BE IN THE BOTTOM ONE THIRD, AND, UH, THEY MAY EXCEED MORE THAN, OR MAY NOT EXCEED MORE THAN 15% OF THE WINDOW AREA.

WE MADE AN ALLOWANCE FOR PAINTED APPLIED SIGNS, THESE BEING ALLOWED TO COVER UP TO 30% OF THE FACADE, AND THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL PROVISION FOR THE LEGACY SIGN OUT THERE CURRENTLY TO BE PRESERVED.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES HERE.

THIS WOULD BE THE PYLON SIGN, THE LARGER SIGNS THAT I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER.

UH, THESE WOULD BE MULTI-TENANT SIGNS, JUST SOME EXAMPLES AND PROTOTYPES THAT THE ART, UH, APPLICANT SUBMITTED.

THESE WOULD BE SOME OF THE SUBDIVISION SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT HERE AND HERE.

UH, AND FINALLY, MOVEMENT CONTROL SIGNS.

AND THIS IS JUST A, A CONCEPT ON THESE AND THE LEGACY SIGN, WHICH IS OUT THERE NOW, THERE ARE SITE PHOTOS.

THIS IS LOOKING WEST AND NORTH ON ILLINOIS AND ZANG AT THAT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THE PYLON SIGNS THEY'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE ON THE LEFT THERE ON ILLINOIS.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTH ON WYNWOOD AND EAST ON ILLINOIS.

THESE, UH, ON ILLINOIS ARE SOME OF THE STANDALONE RESTAURANTS WHERE MONUMENT SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY HOUSED.

IF THOSE WERE EVER TO BE CHANGED OUT, THIS, UH, SPSD WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH ON THE WELLEN AND WEST ON HEISER, NORTH ON THE WELLEN AND EAST ON WYNWOOD AND SOUTH ON ZANG AND WEST ON WYNWOOD.

I DO HAVE SOME SITE VIDEO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT.

UH, IT'S 360 VIDEO THAT TOURS THE PERIMETER AS WELL AS SOME OF THE EXISTING SIGNAGE.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, STAFF AND S-S-D-A-C

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BOTH RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. POOLE.

COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

AND THANK YOU MR. POOLE, AS ALWAYS, FOR A DETAILED PRESENTATION.

TWO QUESTIONS IN OUR CASE REPORT AND IN YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION, THERE WERE SOME GRAPHIC IMAGES.

THOSE ARE REFERENCE ONLY, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S NOT EXHIBITS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE PD OR THE, EXCUSE ME, THAT IS CORRECT.

THE SS THE SIGN DISTRICT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

WE, WE ONLY HAVE CONDITIONS.

THESE ARE STRICTLY CONCEPTS.

EVERYTHING WOULD BE WRITTEN BACK TO THE CONDITIONS.

AND THEN ALSO WITHIN OUR CASE REPORT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MAPS THAT FOR SOME REASON WHEN THEY CAME THROUGH, THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT, UM, DETERIORATED.

THOSE WERE SIMPLY INDICATING THE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, UM, THE CURRENT, THE SITE PROPOSED AND THEN THE LARGER VICINITY MAP.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTION THOUGH? UH, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

UM, WHILE YOU GENTLEMEN COME DOWN, JUST, UH, UH, FOI COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA, UH, JUMP A LITTLE BIT.

OUR NEXT CASE WE WILL TAKE, UH, CASE NUMBER 30 S 2 34 0 73.

GOOD EVENING, MR. RIG.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

ANDREW RIG 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1.

UH, HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UH, BRIMORE SMORE HOLDINGS.

UM, JASON DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING, UH, THE INTENT OF THIS SPSD.

UM, REALLY THIS, THE REASONING BEHIND THIS IS TO PROVIDE A REFRESHED, UM, SIGNAGE SIGN PACKAGE FOR, UH, THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES IF WE WANNA SEE SOME ADDITIONAL VISUALS.

UM, BUT REALLY THIS IS TRYING TO MAKE THE AREA MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UM, HAVE INCREASED WAY FINDING SIGNS, REPLACE SOME OF THE OLD SIGNAGE TO REFRESH IT.

UM, ALSO OF NOTE, UH, THIS IS, THIS WHOLE AREA IS, UH, WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER IS REDEVELOPING.

THERE IS A PROPOSED, UH, TARGET, UH, THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW.

UH, THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.

UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL RENOVATIONS GOING ON THROUGH OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER, ADDITIONS OF GREEN SPACE, WHICH KINDA OUTSIDE THE SIGNAGE REALM, BUT, UM, WE'VE WORKED A LOT WITH, UH, STAFF, HAD MANY MEETINGS, HAD A COUPLE S-S-D-A-C MEETINGS TO, UH, KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CONDITIONS MATCHED UP WITH THE APPROPRIATE ALLOWANCES VERSUS THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT CODE.

UM, SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO, UM, UH, RECOMMEND OR I GUESS ASK FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE SIGNED DISTRICT, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND CAN SHARE SOME ADDITIONAL PRESENTATION MATERIAL IF NEEDED.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND RESPECT.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

UM, WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU.

I, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER BRICKS MOORE PROPERTY GROUP.

UH, MY NAME IS BRETT MILKY.

ADDRESS IS 6 55 WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE DALLAS.

UM, WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, ANY CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT FOR OUR APPLICATION AS WE, UH, ARE MAKING A, A LARGE INVESTMENT IN THE WYNWOOD VILLAGE TO, UH, REDEVELOP IT FOR THE NEXT 75 YEARS.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THIS PLAN IS THE, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR SIGNAGE, UH, PROGRAM TO HELP ATTRACT TENANTS, UM, PROVIDE A BETTER CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.

AND, UM, WE JUST ASK THAT, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER OPERATOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COMMISSIONER.

QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? IN THE MATTER OF SPSD 2 23 DASH ONE, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO SS D'S RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHERN AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE.

NOW WE'LL SKIP AHEAD AND PICK UP CASE NUMBER 30.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

AYES HAVE IT.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

COMMISSIONERS.

[30. 24-973 An application to replat a 6.51-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1 and 2 in City Block E/5313 to create a 15-lot shared access development ranging in size from 16,332.05 square feet to 18,921.35 square feet on property located on Buckner Boulevard at Hermosa Drive, west corner.]

GOOD EVENING, MR. ESTA.

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IT'S ALWAYS, WELL, I THINK MR. ESTA, WE'RE READY FOR YOU TO READ THAT CASE UNDER THE RECORD, PLEASE.

HELLO, CHAIR.

UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN.

OH, OKAY.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

ITEM NUMBER 30 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 73.

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO RELET A 6.51 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS ONE AND TWO IN CITY BLOCK E OVER 53 13 TO CREATE A 15 LOT SALE ACCESS DEVELOPMENT, RENTING IN SIZE FROM 16332.05 SQUARE FEET TO 18921.35 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON BUCKNER BOULEVARD AT HERMOSA DRIVE NORTHWEST CORNER.

23 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON MARCH 4TH, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR FROM NOTIFICATION LIST AND TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION LIST.

AND WE HAVE RECEIVED 11 RE REPLIES IN OPPOSITION FROM NOTIFICATION LIST AND 24 REPLIES IN OPPOSITION FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION LIST TO THIS REQUEST.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL REPLIES AFTER THE DEADLINE.

EIGHT REPLIES IN FAVOR FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION LIST, AND 24 REPLIES IN OPPOSITION FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION LIST.

ALL REPLIES HAVE BEEN, ALL REPLIES HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO THE COMMISSIONERS STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CON, UH, SUBJECT TO THE COMPLIANCE CON WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU, MR. ESTA.

GOOD EVENING, MR. BALDWIN.

AS, AS YOU KNOW, OUR RULES ALLOW US TO ADJUST THE TIME PER SPEAKER, UH, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THE FOLKS BEHIND YOU DO ALL I UNDERSTAND.

THERE ARE PEOPLE BEHIND ME.

YES, THERE ARE.

UH, AND I'M ASSUMING ALL OF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

SO WE'LL GO WITH ONE MINUTE, MR. BALDWIN.

THERE'S, AND THERE'S GONNA BE TWO OF US SPEAKING.

OKAY, PERFECT.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT PLAT S 2 3 4 0 73.

IT'S, UH, SIX AND A HALF ACRES, 6.51 ACRES, UH, LOCATED ON, UH, THE WEST SIDE OF BUCKNER, SOUTH OF GARLAND ROAD.

UH, CURRENTLY IT'S TWO LOTS OR TWO ADDRESSES, UH, 4 14 25 AND 1435 NORTH BUCKNER.

AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT WITH, UH, 15 LOTS.

THIS WILL COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF THE R 10 ZONING DISTRICT.

AND, UM, THE, THE LOTS WE'RE PROPOSING ARE WAY IN EXCESS OF THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET THAT ARE REQUIRED IN R 10 DISTRICT.

SO THIS IS, UH, A MAP SHOWING CA LINDA ESTATES.

THIS IS THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE IN, UH, CA LINDA ESTATES GOES ON BOTH SIDES OF BUCKNER BOULEVARD AND, UH, WE'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS WHAT THE LOT PATTERN LOOKS LIKE IN CASTLE LINDA STATES.

IN MY MIND, THERE IS NO ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN IN THIS AREA.

WE HAVE LARGE LOTS, WE HAVE SMALL LOTS, WE HAVE SKINNY LOTS, WE HAVE LONG, NARROW LOTS.

UH, WE HAVE REGULAR RECTANGULAR LOTS THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO FIND IN OUR 10 DISTRICT, BUT I DO NOT THINK THAT THERE'S AN ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN HERE.

I'M GONNA ZOOM IN ON THIS AREA, WHICH IS, UH, THE AREA RIGHT AROUND OUR PROPERTY.

WE ARE THE TWO BIG LOTS IN THE MIDDLE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE AROUND US, THERE IS NOT AN ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN THAT I COULD, I CAN SEE, UM, THE LOTS ARE OF DIFFERENT SIZES, DIFFERENT SHAPES AND DIFFERENT VINTAGES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

UM, SO WE DO NOT THINK THAT THERE IS AN ANYTHING THAT SHOWS A CONSISTENT LOT WIDTH DEPTH OR AREA IN THE AREA IN THIS.

SO 8 0 5 0.3, Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

YOU DO IT FAIRLY REGULARLY.

UH, LOTS MUST CONFORM IN WIDTH DEPTH AND AREA'S.

THE PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE ADJACENT

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AREA.

ADJACENT AREA IS NOT DEFINED.

UH, WE'RE ARGUING THAT THE ADJACENT AREA IS, UH, THE CASTLE LINDA ESTATES DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE ALL SHARE THE SAME IDENTITY.

THE WIDTH, THE LOT SHOWS A DIFFERENT VARIATION IN IMMEDIATE VICINITY.

THE IN CASTLE LINDA LOTS RANGE IN THE WIDTH FROM 77 FEET TO 281 FEET.

THE DEPTH, THE LOTS RANGES FROM 105 FEET TO 451 FEET.

THE AREA, THE LOTS RANGE IN AREA FROM 10,890 SQUARE FEET TO 113,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE AVERAGE PROPOSED LOT AREA, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 18,000 SQUARE FEET, WELL IN EXCESS OF THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE R 10 DISTRICT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OF IT, UH, THERE'S 455 LOTS IN CASTLE LINDA ESTATES AND RANGING IN 10,800 SQUARE FEET TO 181,000 SQUARE SQUARE FEET, 134 30% OF THE LOTS ARE SMALLER THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN CASTLE LINDA ESTATE.

68% OF THE, THE LOTS MINUTE RANGE, YOUR TIME IS UP.

OH, I STILL HAD SOME GOOD STUFF TOO.

OKAY, COOL.

UH, DID YOU HAVE SOMEONE ELSE OR CONTINUE THOSE WITH THEIR TIME? I THINK SO, YES.

MR, DO YOU, I'LL FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION.

MY NAME IS JEFF BARON.

UH, I RESIDE AT MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 64 40 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS.

UM, THE PROPOSED LOT, UM, I'M SORRY I'M PICKING UP FOR ROB, BUT PROPOSED PLAT EXCEEDS THE STANDARD SET FORTH IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PO PROPOSED PLAT CONFORMS TO THE AREA LOT PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE ADJACENT AREAS HAVING DUE REGARD FOR THE CHARACTER AND THE PROPOSED PLAT CONFORMS TO THE WIDTH AND DEPTH PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IS THE CRITERIA WE'RE TRYING TO MEET, AS ROB MENTIONED, UM, THAT WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CONSISTENT WIDTH, THEIR DEPTH.

AND SO WE USED A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS TO EVALUATE THE AREA OF THE LOTS BECAUSE THERE'S A, A SPAN OF AREAS FROM 10,000 TO OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND FEET.

WE PLOTTED EVERY SINGLE LOT WITHIN CASA LINDA ESTATES TO FIND.

AS ROB SAID, THAT WE ARE LARGER THAN 30% OF THE LOTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

ARCHITECTS WERE ENGAGED ON DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED AS EDDIE MASONRY WHO WILL BE SPEAKING AND HE'S COMPLETED HUNDREDS OF HISTORIC CONSERVATION DISTRICT HOMES AND WE FEEL LIKE HE'S GOING TO BE CAPABLE AND, UM, TO KEEP THE CONSISTENT PATTERN OF THE LOTS FOR THE HOUSES AND THE STYLE.

UM, SO I APOLOGIZE, THE CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE OF A RAPIDLY REDEVELOPING AREA IN FOREST HILLS, IN LITTLE FOREST HILLS AND CASA LINDA IS STARTING TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT BUT HAS NOT SEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.

SO THAT WILL COMPLETE OUR INITIAL PRESENTATION AND, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING.

'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN BIGGER.

MY NAME IS PATRICIA JOHNSON AND I'M THE APPLICANT AND I CURRENT, I CURRENTLY RESIDE JUST A BLOCK DOWN THE PROP FROM THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AT 1524 NORTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD.

MY FAMILY AND I HAVE OWNED 1425 NORTH BUCKNER SINCE 1958, AND I'VE BEEN A CASTLE LINDA ESTATE RESIDENT FOR DECADES.

MY PROPERTY'S BEEN FOR SALE FOR OVER 2.5 YEARS.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE A COMPELLING OFFER NEAR OUR ASKING PRICE, DESPITE DROPPING THE PRICE NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE PROCEEDING WITH THIS PROJECT.

OVERALL, WE REALIZED THAT NO INTEREST FROM SOMEONE IN THERE WASN'T AN INTEREST FROM PUTTING A SINGLE ESTATE HOME ON LIKE THIS SIZE THAT WAS FACING BUCKNER.

MOST POTENTIAL BUYERS SOUGHT HIGHER DENSITY PROPERTIES ARE ONES THAT WOULD REQUIRE REZONING REQUESTS FOR SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL USE.

THE EXPENSE TO MAINTAIN OVER FOUR ACRES, CONTINUING TO UTILIZE POLICE RESOURCES TO REMOVE ARMED SQUATTERS, CLEANING UP TRASH RIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY.

KEEPING THE PROPERTY UP TO CODE HAD BECAME FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY EXHAUSTING.

MY FAMILY AND MY COMMUNITY WERE UNSAFE.

IT WAS TIME TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO OUR LOT'S ALWAYS BEEN DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY

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ING ESTATES IS MY COMMUNITY AND MY HOME AND WILL REMAIN.

SO FINDING A BUYER, WANTING TO DEVELOP HOMES THAT FIT IN WITH MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

THE ABILITY TO ADD A ROAD THAT'LL PROVIDE SAFE ACCESS OFF OF HERMOSA GOTTA BE A BETTER THING THAN GOING OUT ON BUCKNER.

WE'RE PROSING A PLAN THAT HAS A LOTS, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE 30% LARGER AND THEY DOUBLE THE REQUIRED SIZE OF THE REZONING DISTRICT.

I PERSONALLY WALKED AND DROP OFF NOTES THAT EVERY NEIGHBOR WITHIN 300 OF MY PROPERTY IN HOPES OF INCORPORATING THEIR FEEDBACK INTO THE PLAN.

WHILE I KNOW NOT ALL NEIGHBORS WANT TO SEE CHANGE, I DO FEEL LIKE SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS WANTED IT AND WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PLAN.

I KNOW THE NEW OWNERS WILL LOVE AND INVEST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS MY FAMILY HAS OVER THE PAST 66 YEARS.

MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND, PARDON ME THAT THE QUESTION BEFORE, THE BODY IS A RESIDENTIAL REPL, AND SO THE QUESTION ULTIMATELY IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PLAT CONFORMS TO ARTICLE EIGHT STATE LAW AND THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE ZONING OR PREVIOUS OWNERS IS NOT GERMANE TO THE DISCUSSION.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PLAT.

THANK YOU, MR. ROCK.

UH, MS. JOHNSON IS THIS, THE PLATS ARE KIND OF A UNIQUE CASE THAT WE WORK HERE AT THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER IS ACTUALLY MUCH NARROWER THAN A ZONING CASE.

UH, SOMETIMES THE, THE EXAMPLE THAT WE USE IS THAT THE, THE PLATS ARE A BIT MORE LIKE MATH PROBLEMS. WE'RE ZONING, THERE'S A BIT OF AN ART TO IT.

AND THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY LITER LITERALLY CONSIDER WHAT IS IN THE DOCKET, WHAT WAS PUBLISHED, UH, THE OWNERSHIP AND, YOU KNOW, THE, ALL THE, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS ARE JUST REALLY OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER.

NO, YOU'RE PERFECTLY FINE.

IT'S THE TWO AHEAD OF ME ALREADY SAID THAT IT COMPLIES WITH EVERYTHING AND THAT THAT IS YES.

30 THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.

YES, MA'AM.

SO I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU GUYS.

I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY AND I APPRECIATE IT.

MY NAME IS JOHN TURNBULL AND I, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PLAT APPROVAL, UH, AND ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING TO HELP MOVE DALLAS FORWARD.

MY NAME IS JOHN TURNBULL AND I LIVE AT 74 15 MARQUETTE STREET AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MS. JOHNSON AND MS. SHEPHERD ON THIS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

I KNOW IN SOME CASES APPLICANTS CHOOSE NOT TO BE PROACTIVE WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THESE REQUESTS.

HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE IN TAKING AN APPROACH WHERE WE WORK TOGETHER ON THIS PROJECT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE TO ENSURE WE CAN AND DO INCORPORATE ALL OF THE FEEDBACK, UH, AND IDEAS OF THE GREATER COMMUNITY AS WE RECOGNIZE CHANGE CAN BE DIFFICULT.

TO BE CLEAR, THIS REPL WILL KEEP CASA LINDA ESTATES AS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE THAT WE LOVE AND THE COMMUNITY LOVES.

WE HAVE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS THROUGHOUT CASA LINDA ESTATES IN VARIOUS FORMS. WE'VE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE GONE DOOR TO DOOR FOR ALL HOMES WITHIN 300 FEET TO SHARE THE PLANS OF THIS PROJECT.

WE HAVE EXPLAINED WHAT WE INTEND TO DEVELOP, ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, AND OUR TEAM HAS PROVIDED PERSONAL CELL PHONES THAT WERE SHARED ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO BE ABLE TO REACH US.

WE PARTICIPATED IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR MULTIPLE HOURS TO HEAR FEEDBACK AND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

OUR TEAM HAS MET WITH CITY PLANNING AND MULTIPLE LOCAL ARCHITECTS WHO DO AND HAVE RESIDED IN AND AROUND CASA LINDA TO ENSURE THAT WE DEVELOP HOMES THAT MAINTAIN THE QUALITY AND CHARACTER OF CASA LINDA.

OUR TEAM HAS MET WITH CITY AND PRIVATE ENGINEERS REGARDING TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE TO ENSURE THAT WE WILL LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER THAN WHEN WE FOUND IT.

THIS REPL IS INTENDED TO DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON VERY LARGE LOTS, FOUR TENTHS OF AN ACRE ON AVERAGE, AS WE SAW EARLIER, ALMOST TWICE THE SIZE OF WHAT I HAVE PERSONALLY MYSELF.

YOUR TIME IS YOUR, IS UP SIR.

YOUR ONE MINUTE UP, SIR.

YOU YOU'RE ONE MINUTE UP MY ONE MINUTE.

OKAY, WELL THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I APPRECIATE IT.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS HILLARY JOHNSON JURASSIC.

I LIVE 2104 HIGHWOOD DRIVE IN DALLAS.

THAT'S 7 5 2 2 8.

MY GRANDPARENTS PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY WHEN MY DAD WAS A DALLAS ISD STUDENT.

WHILE I HAVE MANY FOND MEMORIES OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S EVIDENT TO ME AND EVERYONE THAT IT STANDS ALONE AS AN OUTLIER, AS THE LARGE LOT THAT IT IS.

WE HAVE WATCHED MY MOM TRY TO SELL THIS PROPERTY FOR YEARS NOW WITH

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NO REASONABLE OFFERS, INCREASINGLY UNSAFE CONDITIONS, AND IT'S JUST ENOUGH.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS COMMITTEE KNOW, THIS COMMISSION KNOWS TONIGHT IS THE CARE THAT WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE IN COMING UP WITH A PLAN.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE TREES.

THERE'S A LOT OF BIG OLD TREES AND THAT'S IMPORTANT IN EAST DALLAS THAT WE SAVE THOSE TREES.

MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN INTERRUPT AGAIN, THE TREES, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS IS NOT REALLY GERMANE TO THE PLOT ITSELF.

THAT'S ALRIGHT.

HELLO, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE CONNOLLY.

I LIVE AT 1527 NORTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD, THREE HOMES DOWN FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS A RESIDENT OF CASTLE LINDA AND SOMEONE WHO DAILY DRIVES BY AND WALKS PAST THIS PROPERTY.

I COULD NOT BE MORE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSED PLAN.

PROPOSED 15 LOTS WILL TRANSFORM THIS PROPERTY THAT IS ATYPICAL AND AS SHE SAID, AN OUTLIER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AFTER SEEING THE PLANS AND HEARING THEIR RESEARCH, I FEEL THEY THOUGHTFULLY RESEARCH REACH THE PERFECT LOT SIZE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS WILL PROVIDE A GREAT BALANCE OF LOT AREA TO MAINTAIN SIMILAR YARD SIZES AS OTHERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ENJOY.

WHILE NOT OVERCROWDING THIS AREA, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEW FAMILIES THAT WILL FURTHER ENHANCE CASTLE LINDA ESTATES FOR MANY YEARS.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S OUTREACH EFFORTS TO THE NEIGHBORS BY PROACTIVELY COMMUNICATING THEIR PLANS AND MAKING THEMSELVES AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK.

RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS SHOULD BE SUPPORTED.

IT IS.

FOR THIS REASON, I URGE YOU TO DO THIS, DO SO BY VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL.

HI, UH, I'M JOHN STOCKTON.

I LIVE AT 1 1 3 8 EAST FM 9 22 VALLEY VIEW, TEXAS.

I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER.

UH, I'M AWARE OF DEVELOPMENTS AND EVERYTHING AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE MY TIME SINCE WHAT I'M GONNA TELL YOU IS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU.

I'D LIKE TO GIVE MY TIME TO ONE OF THESE GUYS.

OUR RULES ACTUALLY DON'T ALLOW THAT, SIR.

OKAY, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD.

APOLOGIES.

UH, REAL ESTATE BROKER AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR NEW HOUSING SUBDIVISION TO INJECT NEW LIFE INTO AGING NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE REPLANT WILL ALLOW 15 FAMILIES TO LIVE AND SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS IN THE CAA LINDA AREA.

THIS CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL REIN, REVITALIZE AND REFRESH THE AREA AND IS A RECIPE FOR SUCCESS.

AS YOU CAN TELL.

I'M FOR IT.

HELLO, MY NAME IS LEE HAHN.

I LIVE AT 86 0 4 FOREST HILLS BOULEVARD DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED PRO DEVELOPMENT.

I LIVE IN ONE OF THE HOMES THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED BY THE SAME DEVELOPMENT TEAM AS THIS PART OF, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT I LIVE IN IS A SIX HOME PROJECT THAT WAS BUILT WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

THERE WERE THREE HOMES THAT BECAME SIX LOTS AFTER THE HOMES WERE TORN DOWN.

THE REALITY WAS THAT THE HOMES BEING TORN DOWN WERE BEYOND REPAIR.

THEY HAD PREVIOUS OWNERS THAT WEREN'T WILLING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.

MR. CHAIR, AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT ISN'T REALLY GERMANE TO THIS PLAT.

I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING TO THE, I'M SETTING PRECEDENT FOR THESE DEVELOPERS.

IT'S JUST THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT THAT ITEM IS, WE JUST DON'T CONSIDER FOR THESE CASES, MA'AM.

THEY'RE JUST KIND OF TECHNICALITIES OF WHAT DIMENSIONS AND SIZES IS REALLY KIND OF MORE WHAT WE CONSIDER WITH PLATS.

GET RESPONSE FROM MY NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE BEEN THERE FOUR YEARS THAT WE WERE, THEY WERE SO GLAD WE BUILT AND MOVED IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH BETTER COMMUNITY.

WELL, I WILL SUM UP THEN, THANK YOU THAT I AM IN FOUR OF THIS AND I AM CONTINUALLY, UM, UM,

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ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT BEFORE WE GO? OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? YEP, WE HAVE A SPEAKER.

WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH, UH, MS UH JOHNSON.

HILLARY JOHNSON.

OH, THAT WAS YOU.

UH, HOW ABOUT, UH, WILLIAM SAS? OH, THAT'S IN POSITION.

82 47 SAN FERNANDO WAY, DALLAS 7 5 2 1 8.

UH, SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE A LONG TIME, MAKE SURE YOU TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.

MY APOLOGIES.

BUT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE, WE MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

82 47 SAN FERNANDO WAY, DALLAS 7 5 2 1 8.

I'M A LONGTIME CASA LINDA RESIDENT.

I'VE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED PLANS FOR NORTH BUCKNER AND SUPPORT THE PROPOSED PROJECT BY THE APPLICANT.

UM, IT HAS BECOME EVIDENT AS WE WATCHED THE PROPERTY SET FOR YEARS WITH NO BUYER, THAT IT WAS NOT MARKETABLE OR ATTRACTIVE IN ITS CURRENT STATE.

AND THOUGH IT WAS A LANDMARK PROPERTY, IT WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CHANGED.

AND, AND AS FAMILIES WANT TO LIVE TODAY, THE PROPOSED STREET OFF HERMOSA WILL STRATEGICALLY INCORPORATE THESE LOTS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS LEAVING THEM ISOLATED ON AN ISLAND, PROVIDING MORE SENSE OF COMMUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEW HOMEOWNERS, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING A SIZE LOT THAT IS COMPLIMENTARY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S ALSO ENCOURAGING TO ME TO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS STAYING ON THE PROPERTY AS PART OF THE PROJECT.

THESE HOMES WILL BE BEAUTIFUL, GIVING A NOD TO ITS CHARACTER AND CHARM OF THE PAST WHILE POSITIONING FOR THE FUTURE.

I APPRECI I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFUL DESIGN AND PROPOSAL TO MAINTAIN THE LOTS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY FAMILY AND I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO DO THE SAME.

UH, MS. SHEPHERD.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN.

YOU CANNOT HEAR ME? WE CAN.

OH, GREAT.

UH, MY NAME IS JESSICA SHEPHERD, CURRENTLY A RESIDENT AT ONE OF THE LOTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS, WHICH IS 1425, UH, BUCKNER.

AND, UH, LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, LOOKING AT THE PRO, UH, PROPOSED PLAT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DOES FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS IN AROUND THE COMMUNITY, AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS AND ENJOY LIVING THERE AND ENJOY THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AND FEEL THAT THIS PROJECT WILL ENHANCE OUR, OUR COMMUNITY WHILE KEEPING IT, UH, IN THE SAME, UH, FORMAT OF WHAT IT HAS BEEN.

UP UNTIL THIS TIME, I HAVE CAREFULLY REVIEWED THE PLAT CONSISTENTLY WITH BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND, UH, THE ARCHITECT AND FEEL THAT WHAT HAS BEEN COME UP WITH IS NOT ONLY IN, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS REQUIRED, BUT ALSO HAS BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THE DESIGN AND KEEPING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REMAINS THE SAME IN AESTHETICS AND IN THE COMMUNITY.

I DO HOPE THAT THIS IS, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE I DO FEEL THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN TAKE, UH, THE CHANGE AND WE'LL BE HAPPY WITH THE CHANGE THAT THEY, IN BOTH OF THE COMMUNITY INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF WHICH AGAIN, WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE POSITIVE.

UH, MR. MAY STREET, ARE YOU ON LINE, SIR EDWARD? IS HE ONLINE? NOT ONLINE.

WE'RE NOW READY FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR FOLKS HERE.

PLEASE COME DOWN.

A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU NEED TO OKAY.

AM I ON? OKAY.

SORRY MR. MENDOZA, IF YOU COULD PUT MY PRESENTATION UP WHILE I'M WAITING.

UH, MY NAME IS THAD BARONS.

I'M AT 1422 BELLA VISTA DRIVE.

I'M WITHIN THE NOTICE AREA.

A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE BEHIND ME ARE ACTUALLY IN THE NOTICE AREA.

THE SPEAKERS THAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM WERE THE DEVELOPERS, THE OWNERS OF THE TWO PROPERTIES IN QUESTION AND TWO PEOPLE, AND

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UM, THE REASON THAT WE STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REPL IS THAT IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY YOU WANNA WAIT FOR YOUR, YOUR, UH, POWERPOINT OR, UH, SURE.

YEAH, LET'S PUT THAT UP.

THERE WE GO.

THE REASON THAT WE STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, AND I'VE BEEN ASKED TO SORT OF FRAME THE ISSUE FOR THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME, UM, UH, IS THAT IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE UNIQUE QUALITIES THAT HAVE CHARACTERIZED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MORE THAN 90 YEARS SINCE ITS INCEPTION.

IF I COULD GO TO MY FIRST SLIDE.

IF YOU LOOK NOW WITHIN THE NOTICE AREA, I TOOK THIS FROM THE MAP, FROM THE CASE ANALYSIS DONE BY YOUR STAFF.

THE ORANGE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO OBJECT.

AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT MORE THAN 50% OF THOSE WITHIN OF THE 21 PROPERTIES WITHIN THE NOTICE AREA OBJECT TO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AS DEFINED AND WITHIN THE SQUARE BLOCK THAT THESE TWO PROPERTIES LAND ON, NEARLY 100% HAVE OBJECTED.

I HAVE ADDITIONAL OBJECTIONS THAT I, THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT I KNOW OF.

DATE.

NEXT PLEASE.

OF COURSE, THE SECTION THAT YOU'RE TO FOLLOW AND WHAT, WHAT MUST BE CONFORMED WITH IN A RELA IS, NUMBER ONE, IT MUST CONFORM TO THE WIDTH, DEPTH AND AREA OF THE PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED.

AND THEN THERE ARE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER QUALIFICATIONS.

I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH THEM.

UH, AUTUM.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THIS, THIS PARTICULAR THAT WAS YOUR ONE MINUTE SIR.

THAT'S YOUR ONE MINUTE.

OKAY, NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.

I'LL ASK FOR SOMEONE.

UM, CAN SOMEONE COME SPEAK TO THIS SLIDE? THANK YOU.

HI.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR SPENDING THIS EXTRA TIME WITH US TONIGHT.

UM, MY NAME IS DALTON NER.

I RESIDE AT 9 3 3 0 ALTARA DRIVE.

I AM ALSO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UM, OKAY.

UH, POINT NUMBER, DID YOU CHANGE THE SLIDE ALREADY OR IS IT NO, JUST THE SLIDE.

SOUNDS GREAT TO ALL OF US, BUT IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

SO, UM, ALL THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IN THE ADJACENT NOTICE AREA IS NEARLY 250% LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF THE NEW 15 LOTS.

THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF THE 21 ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN THE NOTICE AREA IS 48,876 SQUARE FEET COMPARED TO AN AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF 17,686 SQUARE FEET.

THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IN THE EXISTING AREA IS 39,416 SQUARE FEET COMPARED, OH, SORRY.

I THINK, YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS FROM WHAT WAS UP ABOVE AS WELL.

17,686 SQUARE FEET.

THE AVERAGE LOT WIDTH IN THE STAFF'S EXISTING AREA ANALYSIS IS 64% WIDER THAN THE AVERAGE LOT WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED REPL LOTS.

THE AVERAGE WIDTH, WIDTH OF THE EXISTING AREA ANALYSIS IS 161 FEET COMPARED TO THE AVERAGE WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED REPL, LOTS OF JUST 98 FEET.

THE NUMBER OF HOMES ON THE SINGLE SQUARE BLOCK WHERE THE PROPOSED REPL IS LOCATED WOULD INCREASE BY 65% FROM 20 HOUSES TO 33.

THE PROPOSED REPL IS COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN ESTABLISHED BY THE ADJACENT AREAS FOR THE PAST 90 YEARS.

CAN YOU, UH, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? OKAY.

SO, UM, THE PROPOSED REPL DOES NOT COMPRISE, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

IT'S YOU'RE THROUGH ONE MINUTE.

THIS IS LIKE A WAR OF ATTRITION HERE.

THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US.

UH, ROCKY OWENS.

I LIVE AT 1411 NORTH BUCKNER, WHICH IS QUITE LITERALLY DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I'M GONNA SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO LOT SIZE AS A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SPEAKING AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S FULLY AWARE OF THE REAL FIGURES OF THESE LOT SIZE COMPARISONS.

UH, CASA LINDA WAS DEVELOPED IN THE 1930S UNDER THE DESIGN INTENT OF CREATING LARGE LOTS WITH AN EMPHASIS ON LOT SIZE, OPEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING.

IT'S BEEN PRESERVED FOR 90 YEARS.

UM, THE DEVELOPER IS SELLING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'LL BE DIVIDING THE PROPERTIES INTO COMPARABLE SIZE LOTS IN THE SURROUNDING NE UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.

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UM, THE, UH, THEIR INTENT IS TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS, UM, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY PACKING ALL OF THESE LOTS IN, UM, OF THE 21 SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVE NOTICES.

OUR AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS JUST OVER AN ACRE.

ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 17,500 SQUARE FEET.

A THIRD OF THE SIZE OF ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVE NOTICES.

THAT'S NOT EQUAL AT ALL.

UM, EVEN THE, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION STATES THAT LOST LOTS MUST CONFORM AND WIDTH DEPTH AND AREA TO THE PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THESE AREAS.

UM, SO THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS WAY OUTTA WHACK WITH KIND OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING WE WERE GONNA BE SEEING.

WE, WE WANT THIS AREA TO BE DEVELOPED.

WE DON'T WANT EMPTY LOTS RIGHT NEXT TO US, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN OF ALL OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THIS LEVEL OF DENSITY IS COMPLETELY COUNTER TO CASA LINDA, WHAT IT WAS FOUNDED ON, WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS.

AND, UM, PLEASE HELP US CONSERVE OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE ALL HAVE GROWN TO LOVE AND WE ALL LIVE IN.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME'S ROBERT MORGAN.

UH, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN CA LINDA, UM, FOR 15 YEARS.

AND, UH, I AM ALSO IN ON, UM, CA LINDA STAGE IS BROKEN UP INTO REALLY THREE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WERE INTRODUCED AT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.

AND, UH, THE SECTION ONE IS WHAT WAS THE FIRST OBVIOUSLY, AND ALSO, UH, HAS THE LARGEST LOTS.

SO A LOT OF WHAT, UH, THE COMPARISONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT AREAS OF CA LINDA THAT ARE, THAT ARE VERY DIFFERENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM BUCKNER, WHICH AS WE KNOW IS A MAJOR HIGHWAY.

UM, GOING BACK TO THE, UM, THE POWERPOINT, THE PROPOSED REPLANT COMPLETELY DISREGARDS THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, WHICH IS A GEOGRAPHIC CENTER OF THE 90-YEAR-OLD CASTLE LINDA ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SORRY, IF YOU DON'T MIND SWAPPING.

YEP.

UM, THE SETBACKS, UH, THAT WERE ESTABLISHED WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, SH SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THAT ON BUCKNER BOULEVARD THAT NO HOUSE SHALL BE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF BUCKNER BOULEVARD.

AND ALSO THAT THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS ARE 25 FEET.

THE PROPOSED RE PLAT COMPLETELY TAKES THAT OUT OF CONSIDERATION.

UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, I'M ANOTHER THAT COMPLETELY IS IN IN THANK YOU SIR.

DISAGREEMENT.

15 REDONDO DRIVE IN CASTLE LINDA ESTATES.

I'M CAROL STEVENS.

I LIVE AT 95, 10, EXCUSE ME, ALTMEYER DRIVE.

MY PARENTS BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THE HOME THAT I LIVE IN, IN 1956.

THE HOUSE WAS FIVE YEARS OLD WHEN IT WAS BUILT, SO WE'VE BEEN THERE 68 YEARS.

IT WAS MY PARENTS' DREAM HOME.

ONE REASON THEY BOUGHT IT WAS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE NOT ARGUING WITH, UM, WHAT THEY PUT IN THE VACANT LOTS OR THE EMPTY LOTS.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE AND THE WAY THEY'RE ARRANGED.

MY CONCERN IS, UH, INCREASED TRAFFIC.

THE BUILDER IS, UH, SUGGESTING A ROAD OFF OF BUCKNER AND DOWN TO ALTARA FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN THIS NEW NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THERE ARE OVER 33,800, UH, CARS OR VEHICLES A DAY THAT PASS THROUGH GARLAND ROAD AND BUCKNER BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ABOUT A HALF A MILE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, IT'S A HEAVILY TRAVELED ROAD.

WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE, UH, ROAD THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD WITHIN THIS, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, THE PROBLEMS WITH HERMOSA DRIVE, WHICH IS, UH, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US MA'AM.

HELLO, MY NAME IS FREDERICK MEDLAND.

I LIVE AT 27, UH,

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AND MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 24 YEARS SINCE WE FIRST MOVED IN.

WE'VE BEEN VERY KEENLY AWARE THAT PROTECTING THE DISTINCTIVE PERSONALITY AND CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS YOU HEARD MENTIONED EARLIER.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS BUT SEEMS TO BELIEVE THEY CAN IGNORE IT.

UH, THAT SURELY THIS WILL BE A MATTER LITIGATED.

IS IT EVEN SOMETHING THIS COMMISSION SHOULD SPEND? ITS TIME ON HERE WHEN ULTIMATELY IT'LL NEED TO BE RESOLVED IN A LAWSUIT.

UH, MR. CHAIR, SORRY TO INTERRUPT AGAIN.

THE DEED RESTRICTIONS I ARE NOT REALLY GERMANE TO THE PLOT.

WELL SURE.

SURELY THEY GO IN THIS CASE, AT LEAST TO THE EQUITIES OF THE SITUATION AND ARE THEREFORE SOMETHING WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE CONSIDER, SIR.

PARDON? IS THAT THE ONE MINUTE? YEAH.

YOUR TIME IS UP.

MY NAME IS ANGELA ACK.

I LIVE AT 1552 SAN SAPPA DRIVE.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN CASTLE LINDA FOR 25 YEARS.

I MOVED THERE FROM LIVING IN THE M STREETS, SO WHERE OVERLY DEVELOPED AND FLOODING OCCURRED, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE HAVING TO GET FLOOD INSURANCE IN MANY PARTS OF THAT COMMUNITY, WHICH CONCERNS ME.

MY PARTICULAR THING I'M GONNA ADJUST TO AND FEEL FORWARD A SLIDE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROPOSED REPL DOES NOT ADEQUATELY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE AREAS PARTICULAR SUITABILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROPOSED REPL DEMONSTRATES ITS UN SUITABILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT BY REQUIRING A NEW ROAD TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GENERATED BY BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THE AREA, UH, ADJACENT TO THE INTERSECTION OF BUCKNER AND GARLAND ROAD IS HEAVILY CONGESTED AND NOTORIOUS FOR SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.

THE PROPOSED NEW STREET IS CLOSE TO THE CORNER OF BUCKNER AND WILL CAUSE YOU TO IMMEDIATELY HAVE TO TURN INTO THE ENTRANCE TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT AS YOU TURN IN OFF OF A SIXTH STREET HIGHWAY LOOP 12.

WE'RE CALLING IT BUCKNER BOULEVARD.

WE ALL KNOW IT'S LOOP.

IT GOES TO LOOP 12.

THIS WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY ISSUE.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF, UM, EVERYBODY'S AWARE ABOUT VISION FIRST, ITS INITIATIVE TO MAKE BIG DALLAS NOT BE THE SECOND MOST DANGEROUS TRAFFIC ACCIDENT CITY IN.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

UH, GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SO TOLERANT.

UH, MY NAME IS WILLIAM SASS.

I LIVE AT 94 22 HERMOSA DRIVE.

UH, WITHIN THE 200 FOOT RANGE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, MY BIG BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE DENSITY AND THE ADDING OF THE STREET WITH THE, WITH THE ADDITIONAL HOUSES, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE STREET.

THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF GROUND COVER THERE.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE, IF YOU TURN TO SLIDE EIGHT, PLEASE, WE ALREADY HAVE THIS, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS WERE JUST TAKEN THIS LAST SUNDAY MORNING.

AND IF YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE.

AND THE, THE, THE WATER IS OVER A FOOT AND A HALF DEEP IN THE DITCH AND IT'S COMING UP ONTO THE STREET.

WE HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM ALREADY.

THE CITY OF DALLAS DOES NOT HAVE CULVERTS IN THIS AREA.

WE HAVE BASICALLY DITCHES IN OUR, IN OUR FRONT YARDS.

THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE LEFT, IS VERY FLAT AND IT RUNS RIGHT OFF ONTO HERMOSA DRIVE.

SO WITH THE STREET AND THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN YOU'RE COVERING UP ALL OF THOSE WITH THE, WITH THE HOUSES.

APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF THE SPACE WILL PROBABLY BE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

IS THAT IT? THANK YOU.

HELLO, THADDEUS THIGPEN 1549 EL CAMPO DRIVE.

SO WE CLEARLY HAVE A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT AND THE BUILDER HAS MET WITH THE COMMUNITY ONE TIME AND, BUT THEY WEREN'T REALLY CONDUCIVE TO COMPROMISE.

THEY JUST SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ROOM IN OUR BUDGET TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER.

SO WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS THE, THE PRECEDENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA SET WHEN ALL THE OTHER LARGE HOMEOWNERS THAT LIVE ON, UH, BUCKNER DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANNA LIVE NEXT TO THIS.

AND THEY SELL AND THEN THE BUILDER'S GONNA BUY THEM OUT.

AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, BUCKNER'S GONNA TRANSFORM INTO A BUNCH OF THIS BRAND NEW COMMUNITY THAT'S ON BUCKNER WITH THESE TINY LOTS RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, MR. CHAIR, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND IS NOT GERMANE TO THIS PLANT.

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I'M GLAD I DON'T HAVE YOUR JOB.

UH, AND THANK YOU FOR HANGING AROUND.

MY NAME IS JOHN MILLER.

I LIVE IN 94 10 REDONDO.

MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO, UH, THE BUCKNER, UH, PROPERTY.

UH, WE'VE LIVED FOR 30 YEARS AND WE REALIZE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS IMMINENT FOR THAT PROPERTY.

OUR OBJECTION IS A DENSITY WHAT WE AND YOU, THIS IS A COMMON THING.

WHAT WE PREFER TO SEE IS SOMETHING MORE AKIN TO WHAT IS AROUND THE SURROUNDING AREA.

UH, WE TALKED WITH THE BUILDER, UH, NUMEROUS TIMES.

WE KNOW HE'S A MAN OF INTEGRITY.

UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM IF THIS IS, UH, DENIED, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY WISHES OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS, UH, TERESA FLORES.

I LIVE AT 1 4 3 5 RONALD DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 8.

UM, I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE PROPOSED PLAT.

MY NAME IS, OOPS, SORRY.

MY NAME IS CAROLYN SHERMAN AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT SINCE 1975 AND I LIVE AT 1410 BELLA VISTA DRIVE, WHICH BACKS UP ONTO THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE SURROUNDING LOTS ARE ABOUT AN ACRE OR A LITTLE BIT MORE.

OUR LOT IS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE.

UM, SO IN THIS IMMEDIATE AREA, THE LOTS ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT THE BUILDER IS TRYING TO SAY.

UM, I'LL SAY THIS, UM, VIOLATES, AS HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN CASTLE LINDA THAT ARE IN PLACE, UM, UNTIL 2034, MR. CHAIR, THE LOT SIZE IS GERMANE, BUT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE NOT OKAY.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I SEE, AND IT HAPPENED IN THE NEIGHBORING AREA ON SAN FERNANDO WAY, IS THAT, UM, THIS BUILDER IS BUILDING BIG, HUGE HOUSES THAT ONLY THE WEALTHY CAN AFFORD.

AND CASTLE LINDA WAS MEANT TO BE A MIDDLE CLASS, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I AM DISABLED AND I HAVE A FIXED INCOME AND THE INCREASED EXPENSIVE HOUSES AND LAND VALUE WILL SHUT PEOPLE LIKE ME OUT OF THE AREA.

AND AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1975.

I'M GARY ACK.

I LIVE AT 1552 SAN SAMA.

7 5 2 1 8.

SO THIS PICTURE WITH THE FLOODING IS REAL.

THE THE ONLY, UH, THE ONLY ATTACHMENTS ARE ON MY STREET, SAN SABA AND ALTAMIRA, ALL THIS STUFF FLOWS DOWNHILL, FLOWS ACROSS MY POOL AND DOWN IN MAKES A, A HUGE LAKE IN FRONT OF OUR OUR HOUSES.

SO YOU'RE GONNA TAKE TWO HOUSES AND YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT INTO 16.

WE'RE NOT, ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE OPPOSED TO THE DENSITY.

WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE BUILDER THREE DAYS AGO ON MONDAY.

FIRST TIME THAT'S, MOST PEOPLE GOT TO SEE THE DETAILS.

SO WHY ARE WE IN SUCH A HURRY? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE OPPOSED TO THIS.

WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT.

WE WANT IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME KIND OF BIG HURRY TO PUT THIS ROAD THROUGH, THROUGH AND AND T-BONE RIGHT INTO A VERY DENSE INTERSECTION THAT'S BACKED UP ALL THE TIME.

'CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY SAFE EXIT ONTO NORTHBOUND BUCKNER.

THAT'S MY TIME.

WHEN TRAFFIC'S BACKED UP ON NER AND GARLAND ROAD.

HOWDY.

MY NAME IS UH, WILLIAM BASS.

I LIVE AT 1406 BELLA VISTA DRIVE.

MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

UH, I LIVE THERE WITH MY WIFE AND TWO SMALL CHILDREN, SEVEN AND 10.

AND MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE ADDITIONAL STREET THAT THIS WHOLE REPL HINGES UPON.

I DON'T THINK THEY CAN REPL IT WITHOUT ADDING THE STREET.

AND THE STREET IS GOING TO ADD TRAFFIC TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

PEOPLE ALREADY CUT DOWN BELLA VISTA TO GET THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD

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AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.

MY KIDS LIKE TO PAY IN THE FRONT YARD.

I DON'T WANNA HAVE PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC.

UH, AND THE OTHER THING I HEARD SOMEONE SAY EARLIER WAS THAT, UH, BLOCK, BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY.

I BELIEVE I HEARD THAT PHRASE EARLIER TODAY.

UH, WHAT THEY'RE AT LOOKING TO DO IS NOT KEEP THE CONTINUITY OF THE BLOCK AND CHANGES OUR WHOLE FACE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY NAME IS KRISTEN BOOTH AND I LIVE AT 1501 VERANO DRIVE IN COSTA LINDA.

UM, SINCE 2011, I'M A RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER THERE AS WELL.

I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY WELL.

UM, AND I'VE SOLD OVER 30 HOMES THERE.

I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE CASA LINDA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

WE HAVE FOUR BOARD MEMBERS, CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT.

WE HAVE, UM, FOUR PRIOR MEMBERS AND UM, WE HAVE HAD TWO MEETINGS WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, UM, AND WE ARE HAPPY THAT I AM HAPPY THAT, YOU KNOW, A BUILDER THIS WELL-RESPECTED IS WANTING TO BE INVOLVED, I FEEL IT WOULD BE REMISS TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT TRYING TO ATTRACT, UM, OR TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING MORE IN LINE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, ONE OF THE MOST ATTRACTIVE AND VALUABLE FEATURES WE HAVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE OUR SPRAWLING STATE SIZED LOTS.

IF YOU LOOK AT A MAP AND COMPARE IT TO THE DEVELOPERS, UM, PROPOSED PLAN, YOU CAN SEE JUST HOW NARROW THESE LOTS ARE WHILE UM, SO ALL OF THESE HOMES IN CROSS LINDA ESTATES HAVE A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF A HUNDRED FEET AS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US MA'AM.

ROBERT SHERMAN, 1410 BELLA VISTA.

I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVER SINCE THE MID SEVENTIES.

I WENT TO SCHOOL AT SKYLINE.

THE LOTS IN THE 200 FOOT AREA ARE ALL AN ACRE, PRETTY MUCH.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY ALL ARE, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE AN ACRE.

SOME OF THEM ARE OVER AN ACRE AND THIS BUILDER'S PROPOSING MINUSCULE LOTS.

HE'S CUTTING A STREET IN ON THAT SIX ACRES AND IT'S JUST NOT MATCHING THAT AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PLAT AND SEE HOW BIG THE LOTS ARE WITHIN 200 FEET AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY OTHER THAN THE CASTLE.

LINDA IS A UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE IT HAS NO CURBS AND SIDEWALKS AND IS VERY OPEN.

HI, I'M TAM FUM AT 55 32 TREMONT.

AND UM, I OPPOSE THE REPL BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, UM, PEOPLE WHO WERE LOOKING AT RE YOU KNOW, PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND WE HAD A MUCH, UH, MORE NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY THOUGHT PROCESS AND WE WERE DOING OUR DUE DUE DILIGENCE.

UM, WE HAD, UH, TWO TITLE COMPANIES AND SIX DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS NOT REFUSE TO OPINE ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND THE LOT SIZES, WHAT THEY'RE PROMOTING IS NOT CONTIGUOUS WITH THE SURROUNDING.

UM, WE WANTED THE PROPERTY TO STAY BUT NOW IT'S GONE SO IT'S NOT WORTH IT TO ME TO DO IT.

SO, BUT I AM OPPOSED TO WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING FORWARD BECAUSE IT DOES CHANGE THE FABRIC OF THAT BLOCK FACE WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN BUCKNER.

AND UM, AGAIN, IT CREATES PRECEDENCE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE ON THAT STREET.

WE ARE IN FAVOR OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THIS SPACE.

HELLO, MY NAME'S AMI HOFFMAN.

I RESIDE AT 1436 SAN SABA IN CASA LINDA ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND WHAT I WANTED TO BRING UP TONIGHT IS ONE, UM, LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE SAID THAT WE ONLY RECENTLY FOUND OUT THE INFORMATION AND THE PLAN.

I WAS THE ONE THAT REACHED OUT TO, UM, THE BUILDER AND ASKED FOR THE MEETING AND IT DID HAPPEN A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.

SO WE ARE STILL KIND OF IN THE EARLY PROCESSES OF INFORMING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE PLANS.

UM, TWO, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THESE ARE NOT VACANT LOTS.

ONE OF THEM IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY AN OWNER WHO'S LIVING THERE AND HAS NOT SOLD HER PROPERTY.

AND THE OTHER ONE, UH, THE HOME, THE HISTORIC HOME WAS DEMOED BY THE BUILDER CURRENTLY.

UM, SO THE, THE LOT IS VACANT AS OF A MONTH MAYBE.

UM, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS, UM, AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID,

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WE THINK THERE'S TOO MANY OF THEM.

WE THINK THE LOTS ARE TOO SMALL.

UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THEY'RE FACING AWAY FROM BUCKNER AND NOT ONTO BUCKNER.

AND THIS SPACE IS KIND OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO TO LOOK AT THE BACK OF, UM, OF THE LOTS, WHETHER IT'S FENCES OR WHATEVER IS UM, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE OPPOSITION TO.

BLESS YOU.

HELLO, MY NAME IS MARIA HENSLEY.

UH, I LIVE ON UH, 1519 NORTH BUCKNER AND PRETTY MUCH I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT THE LAST SPEAKER SPOKE TO.

HELLO, MY NAME IS LEAH QUESTS.

I LIVE AT 1224 T DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 8.

UM, AND IN AGREEANCE WHAT EVERYBODY SAID, WE KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS GONNA GET BUILT THERE.

WE JUST WANT CASTLE LINDA ESTATES TO BE CASTLE LINDA ESTATES THE NEW, UM, UM, BUILDERS PLAN DOESN'T ALLOW IT TO BE CASTLE LINDA ESTATES.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE A MINI COMMUNITY WITHIN, WITHIN A BIGGER COMMUNITY.

SO OUR HOPE IS THAT HE WILL MIRROR WHAT IS ALREADY THERE KEEPING A SPRAWLING ESTATE.

THAT'S THE NAME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING IS NOT CA LINDA ESTATES.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY, UH, YES SIR.

MICHAEL PETERSON.

UH, LIVE AT 1435 ANO DRIVE, UH, DALLAS 7 5 2 1 8.

UH, I OPPOSE THIS PROJECT.

UH, I AGREE WE DO HAVE TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND UH, SOMEONE'S GONNA NEED TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE AND MULTIPLE UNITS FOR SURE.

THE BIG PROBLEM WE HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS DRAINAGE.

I CAN'T EMPHASIZE IT ENOUGH.

UM, I'VE BEEN IN LITIGATION WITH OTHER FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE ISSUES WHERE WE HAD TO CURTAIL A DEVELOPMENT TO SOME DEGREE THIS IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED AND IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

UM, AND SOMETHING THE CITY IS NOT ADDRESSING.

I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S NOT BEING ADDRESSED.

SO, UM, AND THE ROADWAY IS ALSO A PROBLEM.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? I COULDN'T .

HELLO, MY NAME'S KATHY BOUCHARD AND I LIVE AT 95 14 HERMOSA.

MY CONCERN IS WITH LOOP 12 AND ALL THE TRAFFIC, THEY TURN ONTO MY STREET AND IT IS A ZOO.

THEY, THEY SPEED.

IT'S CRAZY.

WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE WRECKS.

I'VE HAD SOMEBODY RUN INTO MY BOULDERS AND I HAD THE POLICE THERE AND I SAID, IS IT OKAY IF I HAVE MY BOULDERS THERE? HE GOES, YEAH, THEY'D HAVE, THEY'D HIT YOUR HOUSE.

SO WE HAVE TERRIBLE DRAINAGE, TERRIBLE DRAINAGE IN OUR AREA, BUT BESIDE US WE HAVE A CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH TO GET SOME OF IT.

I AM OPPOSED TO THIS.

I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN AND WORK WITH US AND WE'LL WORK WITH YOU.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? I THINK WE HAVE TWO REGISTER SPEAKERS ONLINE.

DO WE HAVE 'EM ONLINE? MR. UH, MS. MILLER AND MS. COLE? OKAY.

UH, MR. BALDWIN, AS YOU KNOW, PER OUR RULES, YOU GET A REBUTTAL

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GOING OLD SCHOOL.

I REMEMBER THE DAYS OF THE ELMO.

MAY I ALSO HAVE ROB'S PRESENTATION, PLEASE? JUST, MAY I PULL UP THE PRESENTATION? OF COURSE.

TO PUT ONE PICTURE.

IT'S, I APOLOGIZE.

WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO GET TO THIS FIRST? OKAY.

UM, HOW MUCH TIME? TWO MINUTES.

TWO MINUTES.

UM, I'M GONNA CHOP UP WHAT I HAD SP AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME.

UM, FEBRUARY 15TH I DELIVERED LETTERS TO EVERY NEIGHBOR WITHIN 300 FEET WITH MY PHONE NUMBER AND REACHED OUT, ANSWERED EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL THAT I HAD.

OUR, THERE'S ONE LOT ON OUR BLOCK THAT IS THE IDENTICAL SIZE.

SO THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND OUR OPINION IS WHAT AREA DO YOU LOOK AT? THIS IS OUR 10.

THIS IS CASA LINDA.

SO YES, WE DID LOOK AT THE BROADER AREA IN OUR STATISTICS.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO FAST FORWARD AND THIS THAT ROB IS HOLDING IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT A HUNDRED.

I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY 136 LOTS IN THE R 10 ZONING DISTRICT ARE THE SAME SIZE OR SMALLER THAN OUR CURRENT LOT.

SO OUR LOT IS STATISTICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN TO BE IN SIMILAR SIZE IN KEEPING WITH THE R 10 AND COSTA LINDA ZONING.

UM, AS WE RESEARCHED, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT.

UM, APOLOGIZE.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT WAS FILED.

THIS IS 1936.

ROB, GO AHEAD AND FLIP WHAT WE WANTED TO SHOW ON THESE BLOCKS.

ON THE ORIGINAL PLAT, THERE WERE 11 ORIGINAL LOTS, UH, I'M SORRY, 13 ORIGINAL.

LOTS OF THOSE 13 ORIGINAL LOTS.

OVER THE PAST 86 YEARS, THEY HAVE BEEN DIVIDED INTO 80 UNIQUE LOTS.

PROGRESS HAS HAPPENED.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEN IN OPPOSITION TODAY AT ONE POINT HAD THEIR LOTS SUBDIVIDED IN CASA LINDA TO GET TO THIS CONFIGURATION.

SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? DO WE NO LONGER PERMIT CHANGE? IT'S NECESSARY FOR HOMEOWNERS TO MAKE THEIR LOTS INTO THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION AND MY ANSWER IS NO.

WE EMBRACE RESPONSIBLE, TRANSPARENT, AND EDUCATED CHANGE FOR THESE 0.41 TO 0.47 ACRE LOTS.

WE NEED THE PRIVATE INVESTMENT, UM, OF PEOPLE IN WHO ARE WILLING TO PUT THEIR NAME BEHIND SOMETHING TO SUPPORT LOTS THAT ARE SIMILAR, TO PROVIDE EXCELLENT HOUSING IN URBAN AREAS.

THIS AREA HAS EVOLVED OVER 86 YEARS AND CONTINUE TO INVOLVE AND WE FEEL LIKE WE MEET EVERY STANDARD PRESENT IN.

THE SECTION CONCLUDES YOUR TIME.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER PLEASE.

PLEASE STAY THERE.

THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. BALDWIN AND THE APPLICANT, UH, YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS EXPRESSED, BUT THE ONES THAT I HEAR MOST CONSISTENTLY ARE THE LOT SIZES AND THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, WHICH, UM, UM, SEEMS LIKE DRAINAGE COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH PROPER ENGINEERING.

BUT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE LOTS BIGGER AND THE LOTS AROUND US WERE BIGGER, BUT THE, THE COMMISSION SAID, OH, YOU NEED TO LOOK FARTHER NORTH INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE LOTS ARE SMALLER.

AND UM, SO THAT REALLY MOSTLY TO ME NARROWS IT DOWN TO A LOT SIZE ISSUE.

THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HEARD THAT I, I WAS SURPRISED ABOUT 'CAUSE I I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PRESENTATION, IS I GUESS THE LOTS, UH, THE FRONT OF THE HOMES, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FRONT ON BUCKNER.

THE THE, THE HOMES ARE GONNA BACK UP TO BUCKNER.

IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO THE HOMES ARE NOT GONNA FACE ONTO BUCKNER AND FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW IF TEXDOT WOULD GIVE US INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAY PERMITS ONTO BUCKNER ANYMORE JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON A CURB.

IT'S A STATE HIGHWAY.

UM, THE DRAINAGE, YOU'RE RIGHT, AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE'D HAVE TO PROVIDE PAVING AND DRAINAGE PLANS THAT WOULD'VE TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO MAKE ANY DRAINAGE SITUATION WORSE.

IN FACT, THE CITY WOULD LOOK TO US TO HELP IMPROVE IT.

UM, PUTTING THE STREET DOWN THERE IS THE, THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE IT WILL ALLOW THE HOMES NOT TO HAVE TO FRONT ONTO BUCKNER AND CREATE AN UNSAFE SITUATION.

EVEN IF WE COULD GET DRIVEWAY PERMITS THERE.

TALKING ABOUT THE LOT SIZES, YOU KNOW, THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT, YOU KNOW, 30% OF THE LOTS IN, UH, IN THE AREA ARE AT THE SAME SIZE ARE SMALLER THAN US.

UM, THIS 8 0 5 0.3 IS REALLY SQUISHY AS YOU KNOW.

UH, IT'S NOT REALLY DEFINED WHAT THE AREA IS AND, AND HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE THE ANALYSIS.

I WAS UP HERE A YEAR OR TWO AGO AND I WAS TRYING TO DO A SIMILAR THING,

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'CAUSE THAT'S THE EXISTING LOT PATTERN IN THIS CASE.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE OPPOSITE.

WE HAVE THE BIG LOTS, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT INTO SMALLER LOTS AND UH, RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S SAYING, WELL, THE LOTS OF MEDIA AROUND US ARE BIGGER, BUT IF YOU GO JUST A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST GO OUT A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE LOTS.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY HARD, UH, SITUATION FOR Y'ALL TO, UH, TO MAKE DECISIONS ON BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEFINED.

BUT I I I WOULD ARGUE THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERALL LOT PATTERN IN THE AREA, LOT SIZES IN THE AREA.

UM, I WOULD SAY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, DOING 15 TO 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS INSIDE LOOP 10 IS CRAZY.

I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT.

YOU DON'T SEE LOTS LIKE THAT.

UH, IN, IN THE URBAN CORE, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE URBAN CORE INSIDE LOOP 12, IN MY CAREER, WHICH HAS BEEN 25 YEARS, I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO GET THE 3,500, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS AND NOT 15 AND 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, DALLAS NEEDS HOUSING.

WE ARE ALMOST TWICE THE SIZE OF THE, THE LOT AREA DICTATED BY THE R 10 ZONING DISTRICT.

IT'S, I UNDERSTAND NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT.

THE, THESE WERE TWO DEVELOPMENT TRACKS WE'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE 15 LOTS THERE.

I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT, UH, THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED WITH A, A STREET GOING DOWN THERE, IT KEEPS TRAFFIC OFF.

EVERYBODY'S IN, GOING OUT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY'S HOUSE.

I THINK IT'S THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS.

WELL, I, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH UH, CLEARLY SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, A DIALOGUE WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT ENABLE YOU TO GET A PLAN THAT WOULD GET BETTER SUPPORT.

SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION JUST YET, BUT I JUST WANT TO HEAR TO WHAT EXTENT YOU'RE WILLING TO EXPLORE THAT FURTHER WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO JEFF.

SO I THINK THE, THE TWO PIECES TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE WE REALLY DESIRED NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK, WE DESIRED STAFF FEEDBACK AND I WOULD JUST LIKE EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT THE MAP TO REALLY FOCUS ON IT.

WE KNOW WE HEAR DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN YOU COME THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AERIAL MAP TODAY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT ON TOP.

NO ONE LOOKS FROM 30,000 FEET DOWN ON THIS PROPERTY.

WHEN YOU DRIVE THE PATTERN AND THE SHAPE OF THE LOTS THAT WE PREVENT PRESENTED, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE LOT LINES MEET THE PROPERTY ADJACENT, WE FOLLOWED THE SAME LOT LINES TO DEVELOP OUR LOT PATTERN.

YES, OUR LOTS ARE NOT AS DEEP AS THE LOTS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE FOUR AND A HALF ACRES, BUT THEY ARE DEEPER.

LOOK AT THE CORNER WHERE THE TRIANGLE HAPPENS AND THE LOTS GET SMALLER AS THEY GO TO THE CORNERS.

WE EXPLORED THAT.

WE TAUGHT, THERE'S 450 HOMEOWNERS TODAY.

YOU HAVE 30.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO OPPOSE THE VOCAL MINORITY BECAUSE IT'S CONTROVERSIAL.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED US THAT DON'T WANT TO SIT HERE FOR SEVEN HOURS AND WAIT AND SPEAK BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST.

I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK, I APPRECIATE THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT I'VE BUILT THROUGH TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE.

I THINK WHEN YOU BALANCE, IF I, IF I CHANGE THE LOT PATTERN, I WAS VERY OPEN AND WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED AT FIRST ALMOST 20 LOTS.

AND SO WE CAME BACK WITH A SMALLER LOT PATTERN AFTER LOOKING AT THINGS.

BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE INVESTMENT, THE AMOUNT OF UTILITIES THAT HAVE TO GO, IF WE SHRINK LOTS, WE STILL HAVE TO PUT IN ALL OF THE SAME AMOUNT OF ROADS, ALL OF THE SAME AMOUNT OF UTILITIES, ALL OF THE SAME THINGS, AND THE PROJECT BECOMES NOT VIABLE.

AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO, TO BALANCE WHAT WE HEAR, WHAT WE RESPECT WHEN WE DRIVE DOWN THIS ROAD, WE WANT IT TO FEEL LIKE THE LOT PATTERN AND CADENCE THAT IS EVERY SINGLE OTHER LOT THAT YOU DRIVE THROUGH CASA LINDA, BY ALIGNING OUR PROPERTY LINES WITH THEIRS, WE FEEL LIKE WE ACHIEVE THAT.

I RECOGNIZE WE DON'T HAVE THE DEPTH.

SO THE AREA IS DIFFERENT THAN THE IMMEDIATE 200 FEET, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BROADER 450 FEET OR EVEN, YOU CAN TAKE DIFFERENT SECTIONS WITHIN THAT.

WE DID A STANDARD DEVIATION CURVE TO STATISTICALLY ANALYSIS, ANALYZE THE LOT AREAS.

WE ARE WITHIN ONE STANDARD DEVIATION OF THE LOT AREA.

WE ARE THE SAME.

SO RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, WE ARE EXTREMELY

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DIFFERENT.

WE ARE TWO HUGE LOTS IN THE MIDST OF A, WE ARE ATYPICAL PATTERN.

IF I CAME TO YOU AND ASK YOU TO REPL THIS TODAY INTO THIS PATTERN, YOU WOULD TELL ME I'M CRAZY.

IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE PATTERN OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO NOW I'M BRINGING A PLAN THAT DOES FOLLOW THE PATTERN.

I KNOW I COULDN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

I WANT TO MAKE THEM ALL HAPPY.

I DO, I'VE BEEN IN THE BACK TALKING TO THEM AND CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION.

WE WOULD LOVE TO, THERE'S A BALANCE OF ECONOMICS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU DO FOUR OR WHY DON'T YOU DO FIVE? AND THERE'S JUST A BALANCE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THIS 15 NUMBER MIMICS THE PATTERN OF THE LOT IN THE LOT LINES AND UM, IS A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE WORK AND WHAT WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BY DENYING THIS, WE'RE SAYING, I'M SORRY, 30% OF COSTA LINDA RESIDENTS, YOUR LOTS ARE ATYPICAL.

YOU DON'T FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I DON'T THINK 30% IS A SMALL NUMBER.

135 PEOPLE BY SAYING NO TO US TODAY, SAYS, I'M SORRY, 135 PEOPLE OF COSTA LINDA RESIDENTS.

ONLY THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY MATTER WHO ARE IN THE TOP 10% OR 15% OF LOTS.

SO I THINK THERE'S JUST A BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE.

AM I OPEN TO CONVERSATION? I HAVE SINCE FEBRUARY 15TH.

WE DIDN'T EVEN SUBMIT THE PLOT UNTIL AFTER THAT DATE.

WE ASKED PEOPLE FOR THEIR OPINION.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED BY THE PROCESS OVER THE NEXT YEAR IF THIS IS APPROVED TODAY AND ENGINEERING AND SUBMITTING PLANS THAT WE ARE GONNA LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER.

SO I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

JUST, JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP.

I, I THOUGHT I HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEY DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM YOU UNTIL THREE DAYS AGO, SO MAYBE I MISHEARD.

SO THE, THE UM, NICE LADY WHO SET UP THE MEETING, SHE CALLED ME TWO OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS CALLED ME AFTER THE DAY AFTER BILL SAS.

UM, AND HER, AND WE COMMUNICATED BACK AND FORTH AND I SAID, I'M AVAILABLE EXCEPT SPRING BREAK, UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE LITTLE KIDS, PLEASE NAME THE DATE AND I WILL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE AS THEY TALK.

THEY CHOSE THIS MONDAY AS THE DATE THEY WANTED TO MEET.

I'VE ANSWERED EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL, EVERY E UH, EMAIL.

UM, THAD AND I MET ON THE PROPERTY ONE DAY, SO HE SAID WE ONLY MET ONCE.

HE'S ONLY HEARD FROM ME ONCE.

AND WE'VE ACTUALLY, I TOOK TIME TO PERSONALLY MEET HIM.

WHEN HE ASKED ME ON THE PROPERTY, I TOOK A PAINT CAN OF PAINT AND A WALKING WHEEL TO SAY, HERE'S WHERE THE LOT LINES ARE, HERE'S WHERE THE STREET WILL BE.

I WAS VERY, VERY AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO ANY FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS THEY HAD.

AND I WANT, I WANT TO BE AMENDABLE.

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE REDEVELOPED.

NO ONE WANTS A FOUR AND A HALF ACRE SITE THAT FACES BUCKNER THAT, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE IT PERSONALLY, BUT NO ONE CAN AFFORD THAT, I THINK, AND MAKE THEM NUMBERS WORK.

SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A REALLY GOOD BALANCE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE THIS, I HAVE TWO PRIMARY QUESTIONS.

ONE THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER ALSO, UM, SPOKE TO, WHICH IS THE QUESTION OF THE BLOCK FACE BECAUSE IT DOES APPEAR THAT BOTH SIDES OF BUCKNER, ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE FACING ONTO BUCKNER.

AND AS I UNDERSTAND THE PLAT BEFORE US, YOU'RE CHANGING THAT ORIENTATION.

SO HOW DOES THAT SPEAK TO THE CON CONTINUITY OF THE ESTABLISHED PATTERN? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE TURNING IT UPSIDE DOWN.

TO YOUR QUESTION FIRE LANES AND FIRE ACCESS, THAT REALLY DROVE THE CONVERSATION OF WHEN WE REPL, HOW DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS AND GET TO YOURS? SO A FIRE LANE WAS A NECESSARY ADDITION TO THE PLATTING PROCESS AND YEAH, AND I THINK THAT MAY BE PART OF YOUR REQUIREMENT.

SO IF IT'S NO, GO AHEAD.

UM, SO WE STUDIED THAT QUITE A BIT AND UH, MR. BALDWIN DID, ONE OF THE FIRST CONCERNS STAFF, CITY STAFF HAD HAD WAS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE THAN THREE HOMES TO FACE BUCKNER BECAUSE OF ACCESS AND DISTANCE AND CURB CUTS BASED ON THE STATE HIGHWAY.

SO, AND I GUESS I'M NOT EVEN NECESSARILY SAYING THAT YOU NEED A CURB CUT ON BUCKNER, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE LAYOUT AND HOW IT RESPONDS TO THE FRONT YARD AND THE FRONT YARD SETBACK THAT IS ESTABLISHED ON BUCKNER.

OH, SURE.

SO THE, THE CONTINUITY OF SETBACK FACE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, IS SOMETHING BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HELPS HOW WE HAVE THE STREET DESIGNED BECAUSE OUR HOMES WILL MOVE CENTRAL TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH ALLOWS THE FULL BACKYARD, LIKE THE FULL REAR YARDS THAT ARE FACING BUCKNER TO ACTUALLY HAVE A GREATER SETBACK THAN WHAT, I MEAN IT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES, BUT NO FRONT DOOR FACING ONTO BUCKNER.

I'M SO SORRY, SAY IT, BUT NO FRONT DOOR FACING ONTO BUCKNER, NOT A FRONT DOOR.

NO, WE HAVE DISCUSSED, WE HAVE DISCUSSED TWO ARCHITECTURAL FACES ON THOSE WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING THE HOMES.

WE DO FEEL LIKE, AND WELL, AND, AND I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ABOUT TO STOP US RIGHT THERE.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND, WHEN YOU'RE PLATTING, I THINK TO YOUR,

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SO WITHIN THE SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, UNDER THE CODE COMPLIANCE, IT SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO THAT DEVELOPMENT IS TREATED AS ONE LOT FOR THE PURPOSES OF COMPLIANCE WITH FRONT SIDE AND REAR YARD REGULATIONS, APPLICABLE LANDSCAPE AND PROHIBITION AGAINST PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD.

AND AGAIN, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AS WELL, BUT HOW, HOW DOES YOUR PLAN ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUIREMENT AS A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT? SURE, GREAT QUESTION.

SO THE FRONT YARD AS IT PERTAINS TO CITY CODE, LIKE YOU SAID, IS ONE LARGER LOT.

IN GENERAL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LOT PATTERN, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT IN WIDTH, IN DEPTH.

AND SO FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT, WE HAVE TWO FRONT SETBACKS AND SO THERE WILL BE NO PARKING DESIGNED IN THOSE BECAUSE OF THE NEW ROAD AND FIRE LANE THAT TRAVELS THROUGH.

ALL OF THE PARKING ONE WILL BE THROUGH GARAGES BECAUSE THE GOAL OF THIS IS TO MAKE THIS FEEL LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO SETBACKS PARKING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU CAME IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS, WHEN THIS IS ALL COMPLETE, YOU'RE DRIVE, YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT ON ON UM, BELLA VISTA, YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT ON ANOTHER STREET, YOU'RE TURNING RIGHT ON OUR STREET.

IT ACTUALLY INTEGRATES THESE TWO ALIENATED LOTS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO WHERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP NOW, INSTEAD OF THIS BEING ON AN ISLAND BY ITSELF, IT ACTUALLY WILL JUST FEEL LIKE THE CADENCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONTINUED THROUGH THIS AREA.

UM, OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF LOT SIZE.

I THINK I HEARD ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTION THAT AS, UM, CASA LINDA ESTATE DEVELOPED THAT THERE WERE SEPARATE TRACKS.

UM, I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THIS OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT PATTERNS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN DIFFERENT AREAS, DIFFERENT STREETS IN MY CASE, WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

MM-HMM, , UM, CAN, AND SO I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT YOU'RE IN TRACK ONE MM-HMM, , WHICH WAS LARGER LOT.

SO AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AVERAGE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, WAS THAT CONSIDERING THE FULL AREA AND NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WAS CONSIDERED TRACT ONE WITH THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT? NO, THAT THAT'S ACCURATE.

SO WE LOOKED AT THE RED MAP, THAT RED THAT ROB SHOWED, WHICH WOULD BE ALL OF CASA LINDA TRACT ONE IS ON, UM, IS ON OUR SIDE OF BUCKNER, ALL OF THE LOTS IN THE IMAGE.

I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK UP TO, SO AS THE BROADER, IF WHEN YOU SEE LOOP 12, THIS AREA, IF MY POINTER IS WORKING IS ALL LOT ONE TRACT ONE.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK WITHIN THAT AREA, YOU SEE SMALLER LOT SIZES ON THESE STREETS, SIMILAR LOT SIZES ON THIS STREET, LARGER LOTS AS THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, SMALLER LOTS ON THIS.

SO TRACT ONE TO BE YOUR ANSWER IS THIS AREA, I BELIEVE THAT DOES CONTAIN THE BUCKNER FRONTING LOTS ON THIS SIDE.

I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP AN EXACT MAP FOR TRACK ONE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT ALL OF THIS AREA IS CONSIDERED IN TRACK ONE.

WELL I I'M CERTAIN WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS FOR OTHER SPEAKERS AS WELL.

UM, JUST A FINAL QUESTION IF I MAY.

THAT'S LOT SIZE.

I THINK THE OTHER THING I HEARD, SORRY, WRONG BUTTON, UM, WAS AGAIN, KIND OF GOING BACK TO LOOKING AT THE FRONTAGES.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CHARGES THAT ARE BEFORE US.

ONE IS LOT SIZE, LOT DEPTH, LOT AREA, ORGANIZATION OF THE STREETS, WHICH I THINK SPEAKS TO BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, SETBACKS.

UM, BUT THE FRONTAGES APPEAR TO BE, UM, ANOTHER PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE JUST IN TERMS OF, OF THE PATTERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND UNDERSTAND THERE'S VARIANCE.

AGAIN, I LIVE IN AN AREA THAT, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE SQUINT FOR THE PATTERN, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT IS THE ESTABLISHED PATTERN.

CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW YOURS SEEM MUCH NARROWER THAN WHAT I THINK I HEARD WAS THE AVERAGE.

SO I BELIEVE THIS IS DA LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE.

I DON'T THINK I CAN BLOW IT UP, BUT THE PLAT SHOWS THE ADJOINING LOT LINES AS THEY'RE COMING IN TO THE LOTS.

YOU CAN VOTE.

I OH, OKAY, SORRY.

SO I'M GONNA GO, OKAY, SO YOU, SO YOU, YOU'VE PROJECTED, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY PIE SHAPED, BUT AS THEY TAPERED TO THE BACK, THAT'S WHAT YOU USED AS A STARTING POINT.

THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT AT WHERE THOSE LOT LINES ARE NOT, I MEAN THEY DON'T TAPE, THEY ALL ARE DIFFERENT IN, IN WIDTH

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THERE'S A HUGE VARIETY.

BUT WE DID LOOK AND WE WANTED THE CADENCE.

SO IF ONE PERSON HAD ONE, ONE PERSON HAD ONE HOUSE, ONE PERSON HAD ONE HOUSE, ONE THE LOT CADENCE ON THE BACKYARDS, THEY WOULD HAVE ONE LOT TO ONE LOT APPROXIMATELY.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER'S.

QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT, QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.

COMMISSIONER HANEN, PLEASE.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHICH OF THE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, IF SOMEONE JUST WANTS TO SPEAK TO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING TRACK ONE IN TERMS OF THE LOT SIZE? SO UNDER OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SECTIONS.

I BELIEVE IT GOES SECTIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND SECTION ONE IS THE LARGEST AREA, WHICH IS WHERE THIS, THESE LOTS ARE LOCATED.

OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS 44,000 SQUARE FEET AS OPPOSED TO THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE OF THIS AREA OF 18 FEET.

I'LL COMMEND YOUR READING IN YOUR OWN CASE AND STAFF'S CASE ANALYSIS MAP AT 30 F IT SHOWS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE AREA RIGHT AROUND, UM, THE, THE AREAS THAT THE, UH, UM, PROPERTIES IN QUESTION.

AND I ALSO NOTE THAT IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THE NOTICE WENT TO 300 FEET RADIUS, WHICH IS JUST THESE PROPERTIES HERE.

IT DID NOT GO TO THE 450 PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE NOW REFERENCING.

SO THEY KNEW THAT THE REAL COMPARATOR WAS THE 300 FOOT RADIUS AND THEY'RE NOWHERE CLOSE AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING ABOUT THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, PLEASE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, THIS MAY BE CLOSED.

I THINK WE HEARD REFERENCE.

THIS IS FOR MR. MOORE, UM, REFERENCE TO DEED RESTRICTIONS.

YOU NOTED THOSE ARE NOT A CONSIDERATION.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHY THOSE WOULD NOT BE A CONSIDERATION FOR THIS BODY ON THIS MATTER? YES MA'AM.

SO PLOTTING IS, UM, I FOUND THIS FANCY QUOTE FROM THE TEXAS SUPREME COURT THAT EXPLAINS THE PLATTING PROCESS PRETTY GOOD.

UM, PLATTING PROCESS IS INTENDED TO BE AN EXPEDITED, EXPEDITED ONE THAT FAVORS APPROVAL.

THE LEGISLATURE CREATED A MINISTERIAL DUTY TO APPROVE A CONFORMING PLAT AND NO RECIPROCAL DUTY TO DENY A NON-CONFORMING ONE.

SO WHEN THE LEGISLATURE CREATED PLATTING, IT IS CREATED A MINISTERIAL DUTY.

AND THAT DUTY REQUIRES BODIES SUCH AS CPC WHO APPROVE PLATS OR A DENY PLATS TO LOOK AT A CERTAIN NARROW SUBSET OF THINGS.

AND THOSE THINGS PER CHAPTER TWO 12 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AND CHAPTER 51 A OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE ARE, DOES IT COMPLY WITH ARTICLE EIGHT? DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE STATE LAW AND DOES IT MEET ALL OTHER CITY REGULATIONS? AND THE ANY KIND OF PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE LEGISLATURE OR CITY COUNCIL HAS GIVEN CPC WHEN REVIEWING PLATS.

THANK YOU MR. MOORE.

CAN I ASK YOU TO REPEAT AGAIN, WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA THEN THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY TO JUDGE THIS CASE? YES, THE THANK YOU CRITERIA ARE ARTICLE EIGHT, WHICH IS ARTICLE EIGHT OF, UH, CHAPTER 51 A AND THEN WHETHER OR NOT IT COMPLIES WITH CHAPTER TWO 12 OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, WHICH IS THE CODE THAT CREATES THE PLANNING PROCESS AND THEN ANY OTHER, UM, CITY UH, ORDINANCE.

CAN YOU SUMMARIZE THOUGH, UH, GIVE US A SUMMARY OF THOSE? SO I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THE QUESTION BEFORE THE BODY IS FOR A RESIDENTIAL RE PLAT IS DOES IT MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, UM, R 10 A AND DOES IT COMPLY WITH 8.503, THE, THE BOT SIZE AREA DEPTH WIDTH? DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP COMMISSIONER FORESITE FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR STAFF? THE TWO QUESTIONS, LET ME, I'M NEW, SO PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH ME.

BUT THEN THE OTHER STANDARD IS DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE AREA LOT SIZE IN TERMS OF WIDTH AND DEPTH? DOES IT, YEAH, DOES IT COMPLY WITH A 8.503, WHICH I CAN READ TO YOU THAT SAYS THE SIZE OF EACH PLATTER LOT MUST COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM REGULATIONS FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THE LOT IS LOCATED.

THE TWO QUESTIONS ARE, DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE LOT SIZE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIRE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR AN R 10? R 10? YES SIR.

WHICH, WHICH WE AGREED WAS, YOU KNOW, 10,000 IN THIS CASE.

SO OBVIOUSLY IT DOES MEET THAT, UH, COMPLY WITH THAT STANDARD.

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THAT'S THE FIRST PART.

THE SECOND PART, LOTS MUST CONFORM AND WHIP DEPTH AND AREA TO THE PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN ADJACENT AREA HAVING DUE REGARD FOR THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.

ITS PARTICULARITY FOR SUITABILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE GROUND, DRAINAGE WASTEWATER FACILITIES AND THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE STREETS.

SO WHAT YOU JUST READ WAS THE STATE CODE, THE, THE, THAT IS CHAPTER 51, A 8.503 SUBSECTION A.

COULD YOU SHOW THAT TO ME, YOUR HONOR? RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZE.

THERE IT GOES.

HOW IS THE AREA DEFINED? HIERARCHICAL SYSTEMS? WHAT IS THE AREA? THREE MILES, 500 METER? IT'S NOT DEFINED.

IT'S NOT DEFINED.

SO THE QUESTION IS IS YOU KNOW, DO WE JUDGE THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE TOTAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR JUST THIS ONE LITTLE TRACT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE COMPLEXITY OF, OF WHAT WE DO WITH THESE CASES, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE, UH, UM, WELL THAT'S AS FAR AS I'M GONNA SAY.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YES, MASTER RUBEN? YEAH, I THINK YOU READ 8.503 A VERY QUICKLY MR. MOORE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT IT WAS READ CORRECTLY.

IT'S LOTS MUST CONFORM IN WIDTH, DEPTH AND AREA THE PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN ADJACENT AREAS, PLURAL, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

NOT THE SINGULAR ADJACENT AREA, RIGHT? YES.

HAS AN S AT THE END.

WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS GIVEN US TO WORK WITH AND OUR OWN CODE, WE ARE BOUND BY THAT AND I HAVE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION THAT IN CASE S 2 3 4 0 7 3 THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE SUBJECT ITEM IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SLEEPER FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

ANY COMMENTS? UH, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M, UH, APPRECIATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORS COMING OUT TODAY AND MANY OF THE OPINIONS VOICED ARE VALID.

I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T, UM, I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR A LOT OF THE THINGS AND CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.

UNFORTUNATELY, AS IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES, THERE'S JUST A VERY NARROW WINDOW THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS WITH SOME VERY KEY SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATIONS.

UH, THAT PARTICULAR WORD AREA IS CRITICAL.

UM, AND FOR ME, I TEND TO LOOK AT THE AREA, UH, IF IT MEANT IMMEDIATE AREA, IT WOULD SAY IMMEDIATE AREA.

IF IT MEANT ADJACENT AREA, IT WOULD SAY ADJACENT AREA.

BUT WHEN IT SAYS AREA, THAT TO ME MEANS A MUCH BROADER CANVAS THAN THE IMMEDIATE, UM, LOTS THAT SHARE A PROPERTY LINE.

SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

SO WHERE DO WE STOP? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? I TOO, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.

I THINK THAT THIS APPLICATION VERY CLEARLY MEETS THE LEGAL STANDARD.

UM, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THIS PIECE, THESE TWO PARCELS OF PROPERTY ARE GONNA MEET WITH TDOT AND SOME OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, THOUGH NOT IN THE LEGAL STANDARD PRACTICALLY, ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN HERE, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STANDARDS IN EIGHT POINT, WAS IT 5 0 3? WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LEEWAY IN HOW WE INTERPRET THAT AND HOW WE APPLY IT TO THE FACTS THAT WE'RE GIVEN.

AND I THINK THE APPLICANT AND HIS CONSULTANT DID A VERY GOOD JOB AT LAYING THAT OUT AND PUTTING IT IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T GIVE US A LOT OF CHOICE.

SO I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.

UM, BUT GIVEN

[09:25:01]

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER? I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER COMMENT.

UH, WE DO HAVE THE LIMITATIONS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN CITED BY SEVERAL OF OUR COLLEAGUES HERE, BUT I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPER TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO SAY, TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S NOT A WAY THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH AND MEET, UH, SOME OF THOSE OBJECTIONS AND, UM, UM, I JUST THINK IT'LL, IT'LL MAKE FOR A HAPPIER OVERALL SITUATION IF THE DEVELOPER WOULD DO THAT.

WHAT COMMISSIONER ETT.

I AM STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE I, I SEE SOME LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE, UM, THAT MAKES ME QUESTION THAT IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE.

BUT I ALSO, I SEE THE POINT OF MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES AND IT IS TRUE 8.503.

IT IS A LIMITED SET OF WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONSIDER.

I THINK THE PRIMARY QUESTION THAT I HAVE, READING BOTH THE SHARED ACCESS REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS THE LOT REQUIREMENTS, IF THIS IS GOING TO MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY AND NOW THE FRONT YARD HAS IN I UNDERSTAND WILL BE CONSIDERED, UM, I, AS COMMISSIONER SLEEPER SAID, I THINK IT WOULD CERTAINLY BENEFIT FROM A CONTINUED DIALOGUE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE CITY REVIEW PROCESS.

SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE THAT I FIND PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT.

I DON'T THINK ANYWHERE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE IS SURPRISED THAT I'M FINDING A RESIDENTIAL REPLANT DIFFICULT.

UM, BUT IT IS AN EXTREMELY LIMITED SET OF FACTORS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THEY'RE JUST NEVER EASY AS CHAIR RUBIN.

YEAH, THEY ARE NEVER EASY.

YOU KNOW, ARTICLE FOUR OF OUR, OF CHAPTER 51 A, THE, THE ZONING RESTRICTIONS ARE REALLY THE SCALPEL THAT WE HAVE TO CONTROL DENSITY.

WHEREAS ARTICLE EIGHT AND 8.503 IS REALLY LIKE TRYING TO DEAL WITH DENSITY WITH A MACHETE.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A REALLY WELL EQUIPPED TOOL TO, TO ADDRESS IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE STARED AT THIS PROVISION FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S JUST POSITIVE TO ME IS IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE SIMPLY LOOK AT THE ADJACENT AREA SINGULAR AT THE WHAT BASICALLY TOUCHES THE, THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY.

BUT WE ARE TO LOOK AT THE ADJACENT AREAS, PLURAL, WHICH SUGGESTS TO ME THAT WE TAKE A SLIGHTLY BROADER VIEW.

SO I AGREE WITH THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE SPOKEN IN SUPPORT OF COMMISSIONER SLIPPER'S MOTION THAT, UM, REGARDLESS OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, NON GERMA, YOU KNOW, ISSUES THAT, THAT ARE VERY VALID CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP WE'RE CONSTRAINED UNDER THE TEXT OF 8.503 AND DO NEED TO APPROVE THIS ONE.

SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

TO PACE NUMBER NINE, COMMISSIONERS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.

WE'LL GO BACK TO THE, UH, PLATS.

THAT WAS A TOUGH ONE.

GO BACK

[SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent]

SUBDIVISION DOCKET, CONSISTENT OF CASES 19 THROUGH 28.

ITEM NUMBER 19 S ITEM NUMBER 19 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 6 1.

ITEM NUMBER 20 S 2 34 DASH 0 6 2.

ITEM NUMBER 21 S 2 34 DASH 0 6 4.

ITEM NUMBER 22 S 2 3 4 5.

ITEM NUMBER 23 S TWO.

ITEM NUMBER 24 S 2 3 4 DASH 67.

ITEM NUMBER 25 S 2 3 4 DASH SIX EIGHT.

ITEM NUMBER 26 S 2 3 4 DASH SIX NINE.

ITEM NUMBER 27 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 7 1.

AND ITEM NUMBER 28 S 2 34 DASH 0 7 2.

ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION

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IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

UH, MR. ES UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE NOW HAVE CASES 1919 THROUGH 28 THAT WILL BE TAKEN UP IN ONE VOTE UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES 19 THROUGH 28.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? 19 THROUGH 28 IN, IN THE MATTER OF THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA, CONSENTING CONSISTING WITH ITEMS 19 THROUGH 28.

I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT WITH COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR READ INTO THE RECORD.

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

I GOT MY COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

CASE NUMBER AYE.

ITEM NUMBER 29 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 6 3.

[29. 24-972 An application to replat a 2.673-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 1 in City Block 6255 to create a 10-lot residential subdivision ranging in size from 11,268 square feet to 15,024 square feet on property located on Pemberton Hill Road at Jeane Street, northeast corner. Applicant/Owner: Shephard Place Homes, Inc. Surveyor: Carroll Consulting Group, Inc. Application Filed: February 21, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 5 S234-063]

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPORT A 2.673 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT ONE IN CITY BLOCK 62 55 TO CREATE A 10 LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WINDING IN SIZE FROM 11,268 SQUARE FEET TO 15,024 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON PEMBERTON HILL ROAD AT JEAN STREET NORTHEAST CONNOR, 25 NOTICES WE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON MARCH 4TH, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ONE REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

MR. RHONDA, I SEE YOU UP THERE.

ARE YOU HERE ON THIS ONE? YES.

YES, I'M AMEN.

ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR, OR IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DON'T QUESTION.

OKAY, FINE.

UH, MEMBERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

I THOUGHT MR. WAS GONNA SAY HAS A 20 PAGE POWERPOINT , BUT THE MACHINE BROKE.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

UH, THE MATTER OF, UH, S 2 3 4 0 63 I MOVED TO CLOSE KAREN FILES TO RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE OF THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, FOR YOUR MOTION.

I WILL SECOND IT.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

LET'S CIRCLE BACK TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MARCH SEVEN MINUTES, MR. CHAIR.

UH, COMMISSIONERS,

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN.