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GOOD MORNING, UH,

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COMMISSIONERS.

TODAY IS

[BRIEFINGS]

THURSDAY, MARCH 21ST, 2024, 9:04 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

AS ALWAYS, THIS IS A TIME FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

UH, LET'S, UH, KEEP OUR COMMENTS AND POSITIONS TO THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, LET'S START OFF WITH THE, THE MISCELLANEOUS DOCKET, UH, THE MINOR AMENDMENTS, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

WE ARE NOW BRIEFING THOSE ON REQUEST, UH, IF WE HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, A REQUEST TO BRIEF ITEMS ONE, PARDON ME, TWO OR THREE.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

NOTHING FOR YOU, MS. MORMAN.

THANK YOU.

UH, LET'S GO TO OUR ONE MISCELLANEOUS ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS ITEM HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE DOORS.

THEY'RE UPSTAIRS.

IT'S 9 0 5.

WE'LL BE BACK IN IN, UH, 10 MINUTES.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE THE DOORS, UH, OPEN.

UH, WELCOME FOLKS.

IT'S 9:12 AM AND WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

UM, I THINK WE'RE ON THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT, UH, HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

WE'LL BRIEF THAT TODAY.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

OKAY.

EVERYTHING? YEAH.

IS THAT GOOD? OKAY.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

UM, GOOD MORNING.

FULL SCREEN.

FULL SCREEN.

THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON JOINED US ONLINE AT, UH, 9:03 AM YOUR MORNING.

AND IS, AND IS NOW AT THE HORSESHOE.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

HERE SHE IS.

I WAS JUST READING YOUR TEXT.

I'M ONLINE .

IT WAS 10 MINUTES AGO.

WOW.

THAT'S CPC MAGIC FOLKS.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, THIS IS CASE M 2 23 DASH 0 3 3.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PD.

UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 66.

THIS IS CURRENTLY THE NEXUS RECOVERY CENTER, APPROXIMATELY 10 POINT 54 ACRES, AND IT IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN.

THIS IS THE LOCATION AND ZONING MAP.

SO THE LOCATION IS EAST OF DOWNTOWN, UH, LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF LA PRADA DRIVE SOUTH OF BLYTHE DRIVE.

THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE AREA.

SO, UM, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO AMEND AREA ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, AREA TWO CONCEPTUAL PLAN WILL NOT HAVE ANY, UH, DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE AT THIS MOMENT.

SO THE PROPOSED, UH, IS TO AMEND THE AREA ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PORTION OF EXHIBIT 1 66 A TO MODIFY THE BUILDABLE FOOTPRINT AT THREE LOCATIONS, RECONFIGURE AN INTERNAL DRIVEWAY, REVISE THE PARKING LAYOUT TO ALLOW FIRE LANE ACCESS AND TO ACCOMMODATE THE MODIFIED, UH, BUILDING FOOTPRINT.

AGAIN, UM, THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES ARE, UH, FOR THE AREA TO CONCEPTUAL PLAN PORTION OF THE EXHIBIT.

THIS IS THE EXISTING EXHIBIT 1 66 A.

THIS IS WHERE THE AREA ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS.

SO THIS IS WHERE THE AMENDMENT IS TAKING PLACE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE AREA TWO CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED EXHIBIT 1 66 A.

SO THE AMENDMENT IS TAKING PLACE HERE.

THIS IS GENERALLY THE AREA WHERE THE, UM, PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TAKING PLACE.

THIS IS FROM THE EXISTING EXHIBIT 1 66 A TO, UM, THE AREA THAT'S BEING AMENDED FOR AREA ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS AREA IS BEING, UM, AMENDED.

IT'S A PROPOSED BUILDING.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER AREA RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS SOUTH OF IT, AND THEN TO THE WEST OF IT, ANOTHER

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PORTION RIGHT HERE.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

LET'S SWING BACK TO ITEM NUMBER ONE AND DISCUSS OUR, OUR BRIEFING OF THE, UH, UPDATE TO FORT DALLAS.

I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED THE, THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE.

UH, SO JUST AS, AS A SUMMARY AT OUR LAST HEARING, WE DECIDED TO, UM, HAVE, UH, THE TWO WORKING SESSIONS ON MARCH 28TH AND APRIL 11TH FROM NINE TO TWO.

THOSE WERE HARD CODED IN.

AND, UH, NOW I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, POTENTIAL DATES FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, ONE OPTION COMMISSIONERS, UH, IF WE HAVE THE SCHEDULE ON THE AVAILABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND STAY IN ON THE, ON THE 11TH, BEGIN THE DAY WITH A, UH, THE WORKING SESSION, AND THEN END THE DAY WITH A, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY THOUGHTS ON ANY OF THESE DATES, COMMISSIONERS, OR IF YOU WANT, WE CAN, UH, KIND OF DIGEST THIS CALENDAR A LITTLE BIT AND CIRCLE BACK ON IT.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.

UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE FOLKS, BUT I MEAN, I HAVE ANOTHER JOB AND I'VE GOT STUFF BOOKED GOING INTO APRIL.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN TAKE A WHOLE DAY EVERY WEEK TO DO THIS ON SUCH SHORT NOTICE.

I MEAN, I, THIS JUST SEEMS VERY AGGRESSIVE TO ME.

AND WE HAD A FORD DALLAS MEETING LAST NIGHT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE HAD PROBABLY 60, 75 PEOPLE SHOW UP, AND THEY WERE PRETTY FRUSTRATED THAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY WERE HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY DIGEST THE CURRENT VERSION AND GIVE FEEDBACK.

SO I, I, I WOULD VOTE FOR PUSHING THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT, AND I CAN ALSO EXPLAIN THE SCHEDULE, PLEASE.

IT'S ALSO BEING SHARED.

UH, SO ON THE SCREEN AND ALSO PRINTED OUT ON THE, ON YOUR, UH, DESKS ARE THE KIND OF PROPOSED, UH, NEXT FEW MONTHS OF THE CPC REVIEW TIME.

SO, UH, LOOKING AT MARCH 21ST, THAT'S TODAY JUST TALKING THROUGH THE SCHEDULE.

UH, LIKE CHAIR YOU MENTIONED, WE HAVE TWO WORKSHOPS THAT ARE DESIGNATED TO BE FROM TWO 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM THAT WAS CONFIRMED DURING THE QUORUM, UH, OF THE BODY LAST MEETING.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHEN AND HOW SHOULD THE PUBLIC, UH, INCORPORATE OR BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.

UM, A FEW THINGS CAME UP DURING OUR LAST MEETING.

UM, IF WE WANT TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COME IN FRONT OF THIS BODY WHILE WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION DURING THAT, SOONER THAN LATER MAKES MOST SENSE, INSTEAD OF THIS BODY DECIDING LANGUAGE DURING THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

AND, UH, THE PUBLIC NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK UNTIL LATE IN, IN THE GAME.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE AS MUCH TIME, UH, TO COME AND PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS THROUGH A EITHER THE PUBLIC HEARING OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA STRUCTURE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO THE, AGAIN, GOING BACK, THE, THE ONLY TWO DATES ARE CONFIRMED ARE THE 28TH AND THE 11TH.

UM, THERE'S NOT A PROPOSAL OF HAVING SOMETHING EVERY WEEK ALL DAY.

THE ONLY TWO DATES THAT WERE CONFIRMED WERE ON, UH, MARCH 28TH AND APRIL 11TH.

UH, NOW IF YOU ALL FEEL, MAYBE AFTER THE FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAVE, IF WE NEED MORE MEETINGS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE CONTENT REVIEWED, WE CAN DO THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY THESE ARE, UH, THOSE ON THE CALENDAR THAT'S ON ORANGE.

THOSE ARE PROPOSED, UM, UNCONFIRMED DATES IF, IF NEEDED.

BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ONLY HAVE TWO CONFIRMED MEETINGS WITH THIS BODY.

AND THAT'S MARCH 28TH.

THAT'S APRIL 11TH.

SO I CAN ANSWER QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER HANSON, PLEASE.

WELL, I THINK SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'VE, UM, ATTENDED MEETINGS AND HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS I'M HEARING AS YOU SPOKE TO MR. MAGOO, EXCUSE ME, IS THAT THE, WHILE WORKSHOPS ARE BEING HELD, THIS BODY ISN'T GETTING THE FULL PUBLIC INPUT.

AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT IF THAT NEEDED TO BE SOONER IN THE PROCESS AS WE ARE EVALUATING THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE PUBLIC TO INCORPORATE INTO OUR DELIBERATIONS AS WELL.

AGAIN, I THINK MANY OF US ARE ATTENDING WORKSHOPS HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DON'T THINK ALL THE MEMBERS ARE, ARE NECESSARILY HEARING ALL OF THE SAME THINGS TOGETHER AND JUST WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADVANCED AS WELL IN WHETHER IT'S PART OF THE MEETING ON THE 28TH, OR,

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I KNOW WE HAVE A STANDING CPC MEETING ON APRIL 4TH, IF WE DEDICATE SOME TIME FOR THAT.

I KNOW WE HAVE MANY OTHER THINGS COMING UP ON OUR DOCKET, BUT JUST WANNA SHARE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.

THAT'S SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, I, I THINK ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

COMMISSIONER, HAD I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THAT THE SOONER WE GET FOLKS IN AND, AND LISTEN TO THEM HERE ON THE HORSESHOE, THE BETTER.

UH, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF ALL OF US LOOKING AT OUR CALENDAR AND, AND FINDING A WAY TO A COUPLE OF DATES, UH, PROBABLY IN THE EVENING IS WHERE WE GET THE MOST RESPONSE, MOST AVAILABILITY FROM FOLKS.

UH, WHY DON'T WE, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

YEAH, SO I CAN, I'M HEARING A FEW THINGS.

JUST WANNA ALSO CLARIFY TO ONE, YOU KNOW, THIS CURRENT DRAFT HAS BEEN OUT SINCE DECEMBER.

UM, AND THINK AS YOU, YOU ALL CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH YOUR, UM, YOUR DISTRICTS.

UH, I THINK ONE, WE ENCOURAGE THAT, UH, WE WANT YOU TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.

UM, WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, THOSE WHO SPEAK TO US TOO, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY AND PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK AS WELL.

SO IN ADDITION TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL WORKSHOPS THAT YOU ALL ARE SCHEDULING, AND WE, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.

UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE PROVIDED INPUT, UH, TO OUR TEAM AND TO YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THIS BODY AND ALSO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK ON RECORD.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE YOU ALL HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UH, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS CONFIRM HOW SHOULD THAT HAPPEN? SO SINCE WE HAVE THE CONFIRMED DATES OF MARCH 28TH AND APRIL 11TH AS WORKSHOPS, UH, A FEW OPTIONS IN TERMS OF STARTING TO GET THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK, UH, LOOKING AT APRIL.

'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO WANNA BE ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO PROMOTE, UM, AND BRING, UH, THE PUBLIC INTO, UM, INTO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THESE WORKSHOPS.

UH, IS ONE, HAVING MAYBE A, A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AFTER, UH, THAT, UH, 9 92 TIME.

SO AGAIN, THE SUGGESTION WAS HAVING A, A TIME CERTAIN DATE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW, THEY COULD COME TO A CERTAIN TIME, KNOW THAT THEY PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS AND KNOW IN A PARTICULAR DAY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO WE HAVE SUGGESTED HERE, UM, IF THERE IS A TIME CERTAIN, UH, PERIOD, IT COULD BE FROM, YOU KNOW, SIX TO 9:00 PM UM, ANOTHER COMMENT THAT CAME UP DURING THE LAST MEETING WAS THERE COULD BE, UM, AN OPENING OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE WHO COME IN AT A DIFFERENT TIME.

SO IF WE, IF WE NEED TO MOVE THAT TO MAYBE TWO TIMES CERTAIN TIME DURING THE MORNING AND THE EVENING, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT WE, YOU ALL PROVIDED US TO INVESTIGATE.

AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS A PROPOSED SCHEDULE OF WHAT THE PUBLIC AND HOW THE PUBLIC COULD ENGAGE THIS COMMITTEE.

AS YOU ALL ARE REVIEWING THE DOCUMENT ON THOSE TWO WORKSHOP DATES.

THANKS, CHAIR RUBIN.

SEE, I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OUTSIDE OF THE, THE STANDARD WORK DAY.

I REMEMBER ON WCAP, YOU KNOW, WHICH PROVED TO BE PRETTY CONTENTIOUS TO ONE OF THE BIG, I'LL EVEN SAY CRITICISMS OF THE PROCESS WAS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WERE INTERESTED WEREN'T ABLE TO TAKE OFF WORK AND GET DOWN TO CITY HALL TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, HOP ON A ZOOM OR WHATEVER IT WAS, BECAUSE I THINK THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PANDEMIC.

SO I, I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT MORE, OF THESE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS BEING FROM SIX TO NINE.

AND AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, LOOKING AT APRIL 11TH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE IT SLATED FOR 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM RIGHT NOW, BUT IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR US TO SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, DO IT ALL IN ONE, ONE FELL SWOOP GOING, YOU KNOW, CONSECUTIVELY STARTING IN THE EARLY AFTERNOON, MAYBE A BREAK FOR DINNER AROUND FIVE AND RIGHT.

YEAH, SO, GOOD.

THANKS FOR THAT POINT.

SO APRIL 11TH, UH, ALTHOUGH WE DID, UM, YOU ALL PROVIDED US THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TWO MEETINGS.

UM, AGAIN, IT'S APRIL 28TH, APRIL, I MEAN MARCH 28TH, APRIL 11TH, FROM NINE TO 2:00 PM UH, LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE SUGGESTION ON APRIL 11TH, UH, IF WE, IF WE MOVE THAT TO THE AFTERNOON TIME, MAYBE ONE TILL FIVE, AND THEN HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOLLOW RIGHT AFTER THAT, UH, FOR KIND OF TWO REASONS, MAKING SURE IT KIND OF FLOWS INTO THAT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND ENSURING THAT AS A QUORUM, UH, WHILE THE PUBLIC SPEAKS.

SO IF WE DO DECIDE THIS BODY DECIDES TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING THAT SAME DAY OR THAT SAME MEETING, UH, ANOTHER SUGGESTION WOULD BE MOVING THE TIME OF THE WORKSHOP TO BE ONE TO FIVE.

AND THEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WOULD STILL BE THAT TIME, CERTAIN SIX TO NINE.

SO THEY'D JUST FLOW INTO THE SAME, UM, SAME MEETING.

SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT YOU ALL TO HELP US CONFIRM OR VOTE UPON IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THAT PARTICULAR MEETING TO OCCUR.

COMMISSIONER

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KINGSTON? WELL, I THINK MY POINT IS WE SET OUR CALENDAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, SO THOSE OF US WITH OTHER THINGS TO DO, HAVE SOME LEAD TIME TO PLAN.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS, STAFFS DECIDED THEY WANNA GET THIS TO COUNCIL BY JUNE, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS.

AND SO WE'RE DEVELOPING AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE FOR THE REST OF US TO GET IT TO JUNE.

AND IF THAT MEANS CPC HAS TO MEET EVERY WEEK DURING THE WEEK, WELL THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS.

AND I DO, I OBJECT TO THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S RESPECTFUL OF OUR TIME OR OUR OTHER COMMITMENTS.

AND SO, I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T DO THIS.

MAYBE THAT IS BY DESIGN, LESS COMMISSIONERS, LESS PUBLIC COMMENT, LESS TIME.

I MEAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY HOW IT WORKED IN OH SIX.

SO MAYBE THAT'S EVERYBODY'S OR SOMEBODY'S BENEFIT.

BUT I, I'M ON THE RECORD OF SAYING I THINK THIS PLAN NEEDS A LOT MORE WORK.

UH, LAST NIGHT'S MEETING IN MY COMMUNITY DIDN'T GO WELL.

A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHOSE BALL THIS COURT'S EVEN IN, WHETHER STAFF IS STILL WORKING ON IT, WHETHER WE'RE WORKING ON IT, WHO'S ON FIRST.

AND IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT, I WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT, BUT SAYING, YOU BETTER CARVE OUT AN ENTIRE DAY OF YOUR LIFE FOR THE NEXT MONTH AND NIGHTS AND EVERYBODY ELSE BETTER.

YOU KNOW, GET THAT ON THEIR CALENDAR SO THAT WE CAN MEET AN ARTIFICIAL DEADLINE WHEN WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS.

JUST DOESN'T SEEM VERY FAIR TO THOSE OF US SITTING AROUND THE HORSESHOE, OUR FAMILIES OR OTHER COMMITMENTS, OR THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

THANK YOU.

AS CHAIR, ER I DON'T THINK THIS, I KNOW THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES OF MEETINGS ON APRIL, SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS ON, ON APRIL 18TH, MAY 2ND, AND MAY 9TH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY THE INTENT OF THIS DOCUMENT IS TO HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON EACH OF THOSE DATES.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK AND WORK DILIGENTLY ON THIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANNA MEET, YOU KNOW, ON ALL OF THESE DATES EITHER CONSIDERING MY SCHEDULE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, OUR RULES AND OUR, YOU KNOW, CODE ALLOWS A BODY TO CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS TO ADDRESS IMPORTANT ISSUES.

AND WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST ON OTHER, YOU KNOW, REALLY CONTENTIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, MATTERS.

SO I, I DO WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME, BUT IF WE HAVE TO ADD IN, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY ONE ADDITIONAL SPECIAL CALLED MEETING TO, YOU KNOW, SEE THIS VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO CONTINUE TO GIVE THIS VERY IMPORTANT MATTER, YOU KNOW, DO ATTENTION.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND YEAH.

AND I, AND I THINK TO ADD, I WANT TO ON CALL ON OUR ATTORNEY JUST TO CONFIRM HOW KINDA SPECIALLY CALLED MEETINGS, UM, ARE DONE THROUGH OUR KIND OF KIND OF LEGAL PROCESS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, UH, JUST PROVIDING THAT FEEDBACK.

SURE.

SO CHAPTER EIGHT ALLOW, EMPOWERS THE CHAIR TO CALL SPECIAL MEETINGS, OR IT EMPOWERS ONE THIRD OF THE BODY TO DIRECT THE CHAIR TO CALL SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS.

AND THAT WAS DONE DURING OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WERE THOSE TWO DATES? UM, MARCH 28TH AND APRIL 11TH.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

THANK YOU.

I, I, I DON'T DISAGREE.

I THINK WE DO NEED SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS.

I DO THINK THEY HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE OF THIS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, REALISTICALLY, I THINK THAT WAS, I THE CHAIR MADE A OBSERVATION.

WE'RE GETTING THROUGH SUCH SMALL PIECES OF THESE.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GONNA DIGEST THIS INFORMATION, MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'M OBSERVING IS I'M TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THESE DATES THAT ARE PROPOSED, IS HOW THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING.

AND, AND IS THERE TIME, BECAUSE I'M PRESUMING ALL OF US ARE SENDING COMMENTS, TAKING IN ALL THIS.

HOW IS THAT GONNA GET INTEGRATED, DISTRIBUTED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THEM TO HAVE AN INFORMED CONSIDERATION AND COME BACK BEFORE US? 'CAUSE IT JUST, I MEAN, I, I, I'M LIKE ALL OF US.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HERE, I'M PRESENT, I'M UNDERSTANDING AND ENGAGING IN THIS CONVERSATION.

I THINK WE ALL ARE.

I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND STAY ON TOP OF BOTH OUR CASES HERE, OTHER COMMITMENTS WITH FAMILY THAT WE ALL HAVE.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THESE DATES, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DO THINK IT MAY BE A CHALLENGE ON THE 11TH FOR MANY OF US, UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE TIMING.

SO IF THAT PUT OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE 18TH, WHICH IS A DATE THAT'S PROPOSED, I, I THINK MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW DO WE THEN LOOK THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THE

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MEETING DATES AND ARE THERE OTHER DATES THAT NEED TO BE ON HERE? IS, I THINK MY QUESTION FOR THE BODY, RIGHT? AND I'M ALSO GREAT, GREAT COMMENTS.

UH, SO AS WE LOOK IN, AS WE LOOK AT APRIL AND MAY, ALL THE ORANGE AGAIN, ALL CONFIRMED JUST THEREFORE, UH, TO, TO SEE HOW YOUR SCHEDULES ALIGN WITH THAT.

SO GOING BACK IN TERMS IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING THE BODY, UM, AS WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO THINGS, UM, COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, BEING, UM, HAVING A, A RECESS IN SUMMERTIME AND ALSO TO THE, THE FOUR DALLAS CONTRACT, UH, THAT IS CONCLUDING AROUND THAT TIME AS WELL.

UH, JUST BEING, UM, CONSCIOUS OF THEIR TIME, BUDGET, AND YOUR TIME, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN HAVE AS MUCH TIME TO, TO TALK THROUGH THE, THROUGH THIS PLAN.

AGAIN, WE'VE, WE CAME BEFORE THIS BODY IN JANUARY, UM, AND WE WANT TO GET MORE FEEDBACK THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR.

SO IF MORE TIME IS NEEDED, LET'S TALK THROUGH WHERE THAT CAN FIT.

UM, BUT WE WANT TO BE, WE WANNA BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHEN THAT IS, HOW MUCH TIME YOU ALL NEED AND HOW THOSE MEETINGS SHOULD OCCUR.

THIS IS JUST A PROPOSAL FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, BUT WE NEED FEEDBACK TO BE ABLE TO ALIGN WITH WHAT YOU ALL ARE NEEDING, UH, SCHEDULE-WISE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE APRIL 11TH DATE, IF THE QUORUM CAN'T ATTEND THAT DATE, WE CAN LOOK AT, LIKE YOU SAID, APRIL, UH, 18TH, OR, UM, THINKING ABOUT MAYBE OTHER DAYS IN BETWEEN, UH, TO DO THAT.

COMING BACK TO OUR LAST COMMITTEE, THE CLUB, UH, WE DID MEET, I THINK IT WAS TWO FULL DAYS, AND THEY DID THE SAME THING, UH, AND LOOKED AND THEN LOOKED THROUGH THE DOCUMENT PAGE BY PAGE.

SO, UH, WE CAN CRAFT THIS DISCUSSION TO BE, UH, DIFFERENT WHERE WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING THE MAJOR CHANGING POINTS, OR IF YOU WANNA GO PAGE BY PAGE, WE CAN DO THAT.

UH, BUT JUST TO SAY THAT, UH, THE BODY PRECEDING THIS ONE DID THE SAME THING, TWO FULL DAYS, PAGE BY PAGE, AND WE PROVIDE THOSE COMMENTS TOO AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER HALL, WHAT HA, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T MAKE THE JUNE DEADLINE FOR CITY COUNCIL? THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO IN THINKING ABOUT COUNCIL AND THE, THE PROJECT CONTRACT, SO LET'S SAY WE DON'T HIT THE JUNE, UH, THE PROJECT CONTRACT GETS TERMINATED, THERE'S NO MORE, THERE'S NO MORE FUNDS FOR THAT.

COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO RE UH, DISCUSS HOW DO WE EITHER EXTEND THEIR CONTRACT, FIND MORE MONEY FOR THAT.

UH, SO REALISTICALLY, IF THAT DOESN'T OCCUR THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD PROBABLY GET PUSHED TILL THE END OF THE YEAR IN TERMS OF PROCUREMENT, IN TERMS OF GETTING TIME ON THEIR SCHEDULE, IN TERMS OF GETTING ALL THAT KIND OF CON, UM, RESTARTED, UM, TALK TO OUR BUSINESS OFFICE.

TYPICALLY IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO KIND OF GET A CONTRACT GOING.

UH, WE WANT TO AVOID THAT.

UH, ESPECIALLY A LOT OF THE, UM, CONCERNS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN THAT WHAT THEY SPEAK ABOUT CONTINUING TO PUSH THEM TO LAY THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE, I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WHO ARE ON CLUB OR, OR PEOPLE WHO ARE STAFF WHO ARE, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOREVER, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CERTAIN DEGREE OF, YOU KNOW, FAMILIARITY WITH IT OR ARE READY TO MOVE ON.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS BODY, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE PUBLIC, I, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY FOR THIS BODY, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS IS JUST BEGINNING TO BE ON THEIR RADAR.

AND WHEN WE SPEAK ABOUT THE TWO FULL, ALMOST FULL DAY WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD AT CLUB TO GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, I MEAN, THAT WAS AFTER MANY, MANY, MANY HOURS OF DISCUSSION.

SO I, I REALLY THINK THIS COMPRESSED ACCELERATED TIME SCHEDULE, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE CONSULTING CREDIT FOR THE CONTRACT, I, I THINK WE'RE SENDING THE WRONG MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M GETTING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEING RUSHED.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE AGREEING TO.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND WHEN PEOPLE START FEELING RUSHED AND BULLIED, IT GETS THEIR HACKLES UP AND THEN THEY GO, WELL, I JUST DON'T WANT ANY PART OF IT.

RIGHT? AND SO, UM, THIS, THIS COMPRESSED SCHEDULE WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR ME.

I KNOW, AND I REALLY LIKE TO, TO CHANGE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE GETTING AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND AT THIS POINT, I DON'T SEE ANY REALISTIC WAY THIS IS GONNA GET TO COUNCIL IN JUNE.

SO, UM, THAT'S MY OPINION.

THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

YOU GUYS KNOW, TIME IS VERY IMPORTANT BEING AN EMPLOYEE AND, UM, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE TO TAKE VACATION TO BE HERE, AND 16 HOURS OF VACATION, UM, IS, IS IS EXPENSIVE.

UM, BECAUSE I GIVE SO MUCH TIME, BUT NEITHER HERE, THERE, THAT'S PERSONAL AND PROBABLY NOT THE ISSUE.

I DO THINK, UM, A LOT OF WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TIMELINE IS TO KILL FORWARD

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DALLAS.

THAT IS NOT MY GOAL.

THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT.

I DO NOT WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, BUT IF WE HAVE THIS TIGHT SCHEDULE, THERE'S NO WAY I HAVE TIME TO CONVINCE MY NEIGHBORS THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLAN, UM, TO INGEST IT, UM, DIGEST IT, AND THEN SPIT IT BACK OUT TO THEM SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND IT IN A CLEAR WAY.

UM, MOST OF THEM HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING ALREADY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO CHANGE THEIR MIND, UM, IN THIS SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT WE COULD WORK WITH COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT SOME, UM, BUDGETING ISSUES ON THIS AND, AND EXTEND IT A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

AND OH, A COMMENT IS FROM STAFF KEEP, I KEEP, JUST BE HONEST, I FEEL LIKE I KEEP DANCING AROUND, UH, A FEW CORE QUESTIONS WE'RE TRYING TO ASK.

SO ONE, IF IN TERMS OF THIS THING SEEMING TIGHT, UM, OR SHORT OR WHATNOT, I'M, I'M CURIOUS FOR THIS BODY, WHAT IS A TIME, WHAT'S A GOOD DAY? HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED, UH, TO REVIEW THIS PROPERLY? UM, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP, KEEP SAYING IT'S RUSHED, BUT I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR, CLEAR DIRECTION.

SO IF YOU ALL CAN HELP ME AND HELP OUR TEAM GET THAT, SO WE CAN PROVIDE A SCHEDULE THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU, UM, THAT'LL BE VERY BENEFICIAL.

SO IF, IF YOU'RE SAYING, IF MARCH 8TH OR MARCH 28TH IS A DATE THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A PARTICULAR DAY THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

UM, SO WE CAN MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS.

BUT JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S A RUSH DATE AND WITH NOT FEEDBACK, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.

WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT THIS, THIS WORK WITH YOU ALL.

AND I, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IT, IT'S NOT JUST TWO MEETINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WE'RE TAKING INPUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON REFERENCED A MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS THERE AS WELL.

UM, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE NEXT TWO MONTHS OF THIS PROCESS IN WHICH WE WOULD THEN HAVE SPECIAL CALLED MEANINGS DURING THAT PROCESS AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A RUSHED PROCESS WHERE THERE'S ONLY A, A FINITE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU CAN, THAT THE PUBLIC COULD, COULD COMMENT OR COULD COME AND PROVIDE THAT INPUT.

IT'S MEANT TO BE THIS I A, A MORE ROBUST PROCESS THAT JUST HAS SOME SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS FOR A CPC, WHERE IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL THINGS WHERE YOU SAY, WE WOULD LOVE YOU TO COME OUT AND TALK TO OUR COMMUNITY OR OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT, TO GET THAT INPUT TO THEN COME BACK AT A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING AND BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER HALL, WE, WE TALKED WITH SO AND SO, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WE TALKED WITH SO AND SO, AND THEY BROUGHT THIS UP.

AND THAT'S THAT SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR US TO THEN BRING THAT PUBLIC INPUT TO CPC IF THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE NOT ABLE, UH, TO ATTEND THOSE SPECIAL, UH, CALLED MEETINGS.

MR. FORSYTH, MY MAIN REQUEST, UH, CHAIRMAN SHADI, WOULD BE TO ALLOW US TO HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE WE COMPLETE OUR DELIBERATIONS.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE HERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, THE MEETING ON THURSDAY, MARCH 28TH TO GO OVER THE PLACE TYPES, AND THEN WE HAVE THE MEETING, UH, IN THE AFTERNOON OR IN THE MORNING OR THE AFTERNOON ON THURSDAY THE 11TH TO DO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

AND, AND THEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER THAT.

SO, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MEETINGS SCHEDULED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CPC TO I, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE FINALIZE OUR DELIBERATIONS.

COMPLETELY AGREE.

YES, COMPLETELY AGREE.

AND, AND, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FORWARD DALLAS IS ON OUR AGENDA AT EVERY CPC HEARING MOVING FORWARD.

IN FACT, IT'S, IT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY FOR MORE THAN JUST THIS DISCUSSION.

UH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THE SOONER WE, WE GET FOLKS IN HERE, UH, WE WILL KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE LATTER PART OF THIS CALENDAR HERE.

'CAUSE TODAY WE'RE NOT DECIDING WHERE WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON IT TODAY.

WE'RE DECIDING WE'RE JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION, AND WE'RE TAKING INPUT IN TERMS OF WHEN WE WANT TO HEAR, UH, FROM FOLKS.

AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT SOONER THAN LATER.

AND I'M LOOKING AT, UH, THE EVENING OF THE 18TH AND MAY 2ND.

UH, WE, WE GO AHEAD AND, AND SCHEDULE THOSE, CALL THOSE AND ALLOW FOLKS TO COME IN.

AND ONCE, ONCE WE GET THAT INPUT, I THINK THE REST OF IT WILL, WILL HOPEFULLY BE CLEAR.

THANKS, RUBEN.

JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION.

I KNOW YOU REFERENCED MAY 2ND, WHICH IS ON OUR DOCUMENT AS A RECOMMENDATION DATE, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION DATE OR JUST A DATE FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.

JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.

JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.

YES.

THAT'S A THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

MY APOLOGIES.

YES, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ON, UH, SIX NINE ON THE 18TH, 69 ON THE SECOND.

COMMISSIONER

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HAMPTON.

CAN, CAN WE, UH, MOVE THE, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE PLACE TYPES TO THE 11TH AND THEN MOVE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN DISCUSSION TO THE, IN, INTO MAY, LIKE MAY 2ND, SO THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, FINALIZE OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

JUST CONFIRM WHAT YOU SAID.

YOU'RE JUST SAYING, SHOULD WE, COULD WE MOVE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN DISCUSSION TO MAY 2ND? UH, THAT I, I APOLOGIZE, MR. AGU, COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? I DID NOT, I WAS, I WAS MAKING NOTES IN .

NO, I BELIEVE I HEARD FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH THE SUGGESTION OF MOVING THE APRIL 11TH IMPLEMENTATION PLAN DISCUSSION TO MAY 2ND.

IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

WELL, I, I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND COMMISSIONER, UH, IS TO KEEP THOSE TWO THAT ARE HARD CODED IN WITH THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADD ANOTHER SPECIAL WORKSHOP AFTER WE GET THE PUBLIC INPUT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING.

ONCE WE HAVE THOSE TWO DATES, WE COULD ALWAYS ADD ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT? WELL, FOR JUST, WELL, I'M SUGGESTING THIS ALSO NOT ONLY TO GET TO PUBLIC FEEDBACK BEFORE WE FINALIZE OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT ALSO TO SPREAD IT OUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATING TO MELISSA AND, AND FOLKS LIKE MELISSA AND NOT MYSELF WHO WORKED DURING THE DAY TOO.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE THE THINKING IS IS THAT WE HAVE ONE MAJOR MEETING IN, IN MAYBE APRIL, AND THEN ONE MAJOR MEETING IN MAY.

AND SO WE'RE NOT LIKE DOING EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, JUST WITHIN LIKE A TWO WEEK PERIOD OF TIME.

THAT'S TRUE.

I, I WANT TO, I DON'T THINK IF, IF I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, WE'RE NOT FINALIZING PLACE TYPES DESCRIPTIONS OF THE MAPS ON THE THURSDAY, MARCH 28TH MEETING.

WE'RE NOT FINALIZING THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AT THOSE MEETINGS.

THAT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION THAT THAT FINALIZATION PART WILL HAPPEN.

YES, YES.

AFTER THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS, LET ME CLARIFY THAT.

PERFECT.

SO MARCH 28TH, THAT'S GONNA BE A TIME TO DISCUSS THE PLACE TYPES AND THE PLACE TYPE MAP.

SO WHEN WE GET THAT FEEDBACK, STAFF IS GONNA GO AND MAKE EDITS AND TWEAKS TO THE DOCUMENT, UM, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL PROVIDED TO US DURING THAT MEETING.

UH, APRIL 11TH.

SIMILARLY, UH, STAFF WILL HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, GET THAT FEEDBACK, IMPLEMENT THAT INTO THE PLAN, AND THE HOPE IS TO HAVE A CPC REVISED DRAFT BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK BY THE END OF APRIL.

UH, ONCE THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED, THEN THAT WILL GET SHARED AND DISSEMINATED TO YOU ALL, AND THE PUBLIC.

AND THE PUBLIC CAN THEN COME AS WELL AFTER THAT MEETING TO HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT VERSION THAT YOU ALL CONFIRM AND CLARIFY AND HELP AND DEVELOP BY THE END OF APRIL.

AND THERE'LL BE ONE, TWO, HOWEVER MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT YOU ALL FEEL ARE, ARE ADEQUATE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THAT REVISED DOCUMENT.

SO THE TWO SESSIONS, TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPING THE LANGUAGE ON THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS AND MAP AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

WE AS STAFF WILL GET THOSE COMMENTS, CREATE A REVISED DRAFT BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION, PUBLISH THAT FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW.

AND THEN THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FOR THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS WHILE THOSE WORKSHOPS ARE OCCURRING, UH, WHAT OUR QUESTIONS ARE.

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE PUBLIC TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION? SO SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU HAVE A ZONING CASE, IT GETS BRIEFED, YOU DISCUSS IT, AND THEN THE PUBLIC COMES AND HAS, HAS OPEN DIALOGUE ABOUT IT.

IT COULD BE THE SAME THING WHERE YOU DISCUSS THE PARTICULAR PLAN DOCUMENT AND YOU HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT SAME DAY.

THAT'S A SUGGESTION ON APRIL 11TH.

OR IF THEY WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE OTHER DAYS IN BETWEEN THE WORKSHOPS, WE CAN DO THAT TOO AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT, UH, BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD WITH K CLUB, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE UNREALISTIC THAT ONE WORKSHOP, UH, WHATEVER DATE IT IS, IS GONNA GET, I MEAN, A FIVE HOUR WORKSHOP IS NOT GOING TO GET THIS GROUP THROUGH ALL OF THE PLACE TYPES AND THE MAP.

I, I, I WOULD FULLY EXPECT THAT TO TAKE AT LEAST TWO RIGHT NOW.

GOOD POINT.

SO TWO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.

I THINK THE CLUB THAT WE'RE CREATING THOSE DESCRIPTIONS AND THOSE PLACE TYPES, I THINK THIS ONE, LIKE WE, WHEN WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, WE WENT THROUGH THOSE FIRST TWO PLACE TYPES, BASICALLY FIVE MINUTES EACH.

SO I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE FEW PLACE TYPES THAT WE NEED TO DELVE INTO A BIT MORE, BUT IN GENERAL, UH, THOSE PLACE TYPES, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE WE HAD SO FAR, THOSE HAVE GONE PRETTY QUICKLY.

'CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY TEXT THERE AND YOU ALL CAN PROVIDE US WITH THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE THOSE MEETINGS TOO.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE TEXT REVIEW AND, AND TWEAKING.

UM, BUT BASED ON WHAT WE'VE

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HEARD SO FAR, UM, THERE ARE ONLY A FEW HANDFUL OF PLACE NIGHTS THAT NEED PROBABLY, PROBABLY THE ENTIRE OF THE, THE MEETING TO FOCUS ON.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN GET THE FEEDBACK ON THE OTHER PLACE TYPES IF WE FOCUS ON THOSE FIRST.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THANK YOU.

I, I THINK SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS WE'RE PLANNING THESE MEETINGS IS HAVING A LITTLE TIME BETWEEN THE MEETINGS TO DIGEST AND DISCUSS IN OUR OWN COMMUNITIES THE CHANGES.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE STAFF GETS IT TO US BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, WE NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY REVIEW IT AND DIGEST IT AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND THE OTHER THING I MIGHT SUGGEST IS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT TIMES TO HAVE THESE WORKSHOPS BETWEEN OURSELVES, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT TIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WORKDAY, WE MIGHT LOOK AT EVENINGS OR MAYBE EVEN A WEEKEND, MAYBE A SATURDAY.

I MEAN, I'M HEARING COMMISSIONER HERBERT SAY HE HAS TO TAKE VACATION TIME.

AND I KNOW OTHERS OF US, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT MY, MY CALENDAR AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M ALREADY GONNA HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE TO COVER SOME STUFF.

SHAME ON ME FOR MISSING THE LAST WEEK, , UH, BE BECAUSE STUFF GOT SCHEDULED.

SO MAYBE THAT IS A SOLUTION IF FOLKS ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT.

I STILL THINK THAT THIS SCHEDULE'S VERY AGGRESSIVE.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THIS CONTRACT, BUT THIS IS A MAKING THAT'S NOT OURS.

THIS IS, THIS IS A SITUATION THAT WE WEREN'T CONSULTED ON.

AND IT'S A SCHEDULE THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US NOW, NOT EVEN THREE MONTHS AGO WHEN WE COULD HAVE LAID OUT A CALENDAR.

I MEAN, WE SET OUR CALENDAR IN DECEMBER AND AT THAT POINT YOU KNEW YOUR CONTRACT WAS ENDING AND YOU COULD HAVE SAID, HEY, THIS IS ON THE HORIZON.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE PROBABLY NEED TO BUILD INTO THE CALENDAR INSTEAD.

THIS IS GETTING PRESENTED TO US NOW AND WE'RE BEING ASKED TO SCHEDULE ALL THESE MEETINGS IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, SIX WEEKS.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THIS BODY OR TO THE PUBLIC OR TO ALL OF THE OTHER COMMITMENTS.

THE REST OF US AROUND THE HORSESHOE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SO I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT NEXT STEP IS TO START TAKING PUBLIC INPUT.

UH, EXCEPT I THINK THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE WITH THE MAY 2ND DATE.

AND THAT IS THAT WE HAVE A, A REGULARLY SCHEDULED CPC HEARING ON THAT DATE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT'S THAT? I AGREE.

I MO I NOTED THEM AT THE BOTTOM.

.

YEAH, BECAUSE I RAN OUTTA SPACE.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH IT UNTIL THIS VERY MOMENT.

AND I, I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA, UH, PUT THOSE TWO TOGETHER.

UH, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING PUBLIC INPUT POSSIBLY TILL ONE IN THE MORNING.

UH, SO LET'S DO, UH, APRIL 18TH AND MAY 9TH.

UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM SIXTH TO NINTH ON APRIL 18TH AND MAY 9TH.

AND A QUESTION WOULD YOU ALL WANT? YES, SIR.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

WOULD YOU ALL WANT TO HAVE THE PUBLIC, UM, PROVIDE COMMENTS ON APRIL 11TH OR JUST PURELY WORKSHOP BASED? 'CAUSE UH, I THINK WHEN WE CONFIRMED THAT, JUST WORKSHOP.

JUST WORKSHOP.

JUST WORKSHOP.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE TWO PRIMARY MEETINGS BEFORE WE EVER GET TO A PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I DISAGREE WITH THAT.

CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU SHA, PASTOR.

OKAY.

NINTH, 18TH, AND THE NINTH.

OKAY.

COMMISSION.

SO LET'S GET BACK TO OUR, CAN WE JUST GO OVER YES.

THE FINAL THAT WAY I'M, I KNOW, YES, OUR SECRETARY'S GONNA GO OVER, UH, WHAT WE JUST DOCUMENTED OR I CAN, I CAN SAY THAT TOO AS WELL.

SO, UH, JUST TO CONFIRM WHAT WE HAVE SAID, UM, MARCH 28TH, THAT'S GONNA BE A WORKSHOP 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM UH, APRIL 11TH.

THAT'S GONNA BE A WORKSHOP, UH, WORKSHOP ONLY, UH, WHERE WE ARE DISCUSSING THE DOCUMENT, UH, WITHOUT PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UH, APRIL 18TH, THAT'S NOT NINE TO TWO, EXCUSE ME.

9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM ON THE 11TH.

ON THE 11TH AND THE 28TH.

AND THEN APRIL 18TH IS A THURSDAY.

UH, WE WOULD OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 6:00 PM TO 9:00 PM UH, TIME, CERTAIN MEETINGS, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC.

THAT WOULD ALSO OCCUR ON, UH, THURSDAY, MAY 9TH.

THERE'LL BE TWO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS, UH, JUST FOR HEARING WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY RE REGARDING THAT.

YES.

SO ON APRIL 18TH, THERE WILL NOT BE A WORKSHOP DURING THE DAY.

SO THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T SCHEDULED A WORKSHOP, BUT BASED ON FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT ALSO HEARING FROM THE CO, UM, THE NO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A SCHEDULED WORKSHOP ON THERE.

NO'S NOT ON MAY 18.

THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SCHEDULED WORKSHOP.

NO, BUT YEAH, I'M SORRY.

I THINK YOU MISSPOKE THERE.

YOU SAID THERE'S ALREADY A, A SCHEDULED WORKSHOP

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ON THERE.

I SAID THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, OKAY.

MY APOLOGIES WAS NOT, NO.

SO THERE'S NOT A SCHEDULED WORKSHOP, BUT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'RE HEARING, IF THERE IS NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, FROM THIS BODY OR CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT, UH, THOSE MEETINGS OR THOSE DATES ARE OPEN FOR THAT, UH, EARLIER IN THE DAY.

SO I GUESS WITH THIS BODY, UH, AFTER WE GO THROUGH MARCH 28TH, APRIL 11TH, IF WE NEED MORE TIME TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ALL, WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO USE THOSE PLACEHOLDERS BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THE DISCUSSION WITH FORT DALLAS? WOULD THAT BE OKAY ON APRIL, UH, 18TH AND MAY 9TH? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

JUST A THOUGHT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN ON OUR REGULARLY CALLED MEETINGS, I CONSIDER THOSE DAYS SHOT FOR, FOR PERSONAL AND WORK PURPOSES, CORRECT.

WE HAVE THAT, THAT APRIL 4TH DATE RIGHT THERE WHERE WE SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A HOUR, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO WORK LATE.

WE MAY WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH OF A CONTINUED WORKSHOP WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, RIGHT ON THE PLACE TYPES, THE PLACE TYPES, YOU KNOW, OVERFLOWS ON APRIL 4TH.

YEAH.

SO APRIL 4TH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP TOO.

SO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS, THIS TIME WHERE I'M DISCUSSING WITH YOU ALL, I LIKELY HAVE AN HOUR, UH, WITH YOU ALL.

WE CAN CONTINUE HAVING ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT WEREN'T, UH, CONCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

UH, WE CAN WRAP THOSE UP OR CONTINUE THOSE ON THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING DURING THIS TIME, JUST A MINI VERSION OF OUR WORKSHOP.

UH, WE COULD DO THE SAME WITH, UH, ADDITIONAL REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS FROM NOW TO, TO MAY IF NEEDED.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE WORKSHOP, UH, FULL DAY MEETINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

EXCELLENT POINT.

WE ALSO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF DOING THAT ON MAY 2ND, CORRECT? YES.

OKAY.

MS. SINA, PLEASE.

OKAY.

SO, EXCUSE ME.

I'M SORRY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT.

OKAY.

NOW, SO I CAN GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN TOO IF YOU WANT ME TO.

OKAY.

SO, UH, MARCH 28TH FROM NINE TO TWO 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM WE'RE GONNA HAVE WORKSHOP, UM, APRIL 4TH, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT AN HOUR, UM, APRIL 11TH.

YEAH, NO, APRIL 4TH IS JUST A REGULAR CPC DAY WHERE FORWARD DALLAS IS ALREADY SCHEDULED TO BE DISCUSSED.

YOU UNDERSTOOD? OKAY.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

APRIL 11TH IS A, A WORKSHOP FROM NINE TO TWO, CORRECT? MM-HMM, , UM, ARE WE HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT AT ALL? NO.

NO.

SO THAT'S A NO.

OKAY.

AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FROM ONE TO FIVE? UH, NO, SORRY.

SO THE ONE TO FIVE WAS AN OPTIONAL, UM, TIME TWEAK IF WE WERE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WORKSHOP APRIL 11TH, 9:00 AM TO 2:00 PM OKAY.

APRIL 18TH, EVENING 6:00 PM TO 9:00 PM PUBLIC COMMENT, CORRECT.

THURSDAY, MAY 2ND.

NOTHING 'CAUSE WE HAVE CPC MEETING DATE.

THERE WILL BE A FOLLOW FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION THOUGH YES.

ON REGULAR, ALTHOUGH FOUR DOWNS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.

AGENDA ON MAY 2ND.

YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND THURSDAY, MAY 9TH, UM, EVENING 6:00 PM RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL AND PUBLIC HEARING THOUGH.

SO IT WOULD BE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, UH, AS WELL.

PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

YES, THE SAME.

SO WE'LL LEAD TAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE 18TH, APRIL 18TH AND MAY 9TH, SIX TO 9:00 PM AND THEN WHAT THAT WOULD DO, JUST LOOKING AT THAT LAST LINE, UH, THE DELIVERABLES, THE TENTATIVE DELIVERABLES, UH, LIKELY HAVING A REVISED CPC DRAFT SOMETIME EARLY MAY, UH, JUST ACCOMMODATE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MOVING, UH, A FEW MEETINGS INTO MAY.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A REVISED CPC DRAFT APRIL 26TH, WHICH IS AGAIN TENTATIVE, UH, WE WOULD LOOK TO HAVING A DRAFT EARLY MAY, UM, AFTER WE GET THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, MAY 9TH.

SO A FEW WEEKS TWEAK AND WE'LL PROVIDE THOSE UPDATES NEXT TIME WE MEET, UM, BEFORE OUR WORKSHOP.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, .

WE'LL SEE YOU DURING LUNCH IF WE HAVE TIME.

UH, APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, LET'S GO BACK INTO THE DOCKET.

UH, BELIEVE THAT WE DID CASE NUMBER FOUR.

UH, THE ZONING CASE IS UNDER ADVISEMENT.

COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT WE HAVE 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT, AND THEY'RE ALL STILL MY CONSENT.

UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FIVE, MS. GARZA.

GOOD

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MORNING.

OH, OKAY.

FIVE MAY BE TAKEN OFF.

CONSENT COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

GOOD MORNING.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS KZ 2 2 3 2 1 9.

THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PA PARKING DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT B TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 49, THE BAYLOR UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND AN LORD LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND AN LO THREE DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF NORTH STREET, SOUTHWEST OF NO HASKELL AVENUE.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 26,136 SQUARE FEET.

UH, THIS IS A LOCATION MAP.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP, AND THEN THIS IS A ZONING MAP, UM, SURROUNDING USES, UH, IT'S A MEDICAL CLINIC OR, UM, BLUE CHERRY SURGICAL CENTER TO THE NORTH, UH, WEST, UH, MEDICAL CLEANER OR AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER TO THE SOUTH AS WELL TO THE SOUTH, UM, EAST.

AND THEN THERE'S A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN SERVICE AND A SERVICE PARKING TO THE NORTH.

THE AREA OF QUIZ IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND ZONED SUBDISTRICT B TWO, UH, WITHIN PLANTARIUM DISTRICT NUMBER 7 49, THE BAY UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER.

UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH A SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR A PROPOSED MEDICAL CLEAR ORATORY SURGICAL CENTER USED ACROSS THE ALLEY TO THE NORTHWEST.

THUS, THEY ARE REQUESTING A PA PARKING DISTRICT.

THE DALLAS VALLEY CODE SM ESTABLISHES THAT A PA PARKING CONDITION MUST BE EITHER CONTAGIOUS TO OR PERPENDICULAR OR ACROSS AN ADJOINING STREET OR ALLEY FROM A MAIN USE.

A PA JUST REQUIRES APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON ONSITE LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST SURROUNDING USES ON ONSITE, LOOKING NORTH ON ONSITE LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST BY LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE DELIVERING STANDARDS.

SO WHAT'S EXISTING ON WHAT THEY'RE NOW PROPOSING IS A PA DISTRICT.

AND THEN, UM, SO THIS IS ORIGINALLY THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS, UH, ATTACHED TO, TO THE DOCKET.

HOWEVER, THEY DID, UH, SEND A REVISION LAST WEEK, UM, AFTER THE DOCKET WAS PUBLISHED.

HOWEVER, WE DID RECEIVE A NEW LATEST REVISION, UH, TODAY, THIS MORNING, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS SENT, UH, TO EVERYONE.

SO THE DIFFERENCE, UH, BETWEEN, UM, THE LATE LAST, UH, REVISED, UM, IS THAT THEY NOW ARE INCLUDING THE MA IN HEIGHT OF THE SCREENING HEDGE.

UM, AND THEY DID, UM, SO THEY ADDED NOTES CLARIFYING MINIMUM SCREENING, HEDGE HEIGHT OF 42 INCHES, PARKING LOT LINING AND PEDESTRIAN LINING.

AND THEN THEY SHIFTED ONE TREE TO THE PARKING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE TREE PLANTING ZONE, MEANING THE PD 7 49 REQUIREMENTS.

UM, IT IS WITHIN THE AIR, THE 360 PLAN.

UM, THE PROPOSED LINE USE WILL SERVE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER ACROSS THE ALLEY TO THE NORTHWEST.

THE USE OF THE PARKING LOT ALLOWS THE UTILIZATION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF JUNIOR STREET AND HASKELL AVENUE.

AND THEN, UM, STAFF RECOGNITION IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AS, UH, BRIEFED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER HAN PLEASE.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

AND THANK YOU MS. GARZA FOR LITERALLY PICKING THAT UP.

.

SO I KNOW YOU JUST RECEIVED THAT THIS MORNING.

UM, IS IT CORRECT, UM, THAT PART OF THE BAYLOR, UM, PD INCLUDES A PEDESTRIAN LINKAGE STREET ALONG NORTH STREET? ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT IN PD 7 49? I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT.

OKAY.

AND, UM, WELL, THE PROVISIONS OF A PEDESTRIAN LINKAGE STREET, UM, WOULD, UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE REASON WHY THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THE SITE PLAN IS TO REFLECT THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS? UM, IN THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE US TODAY?

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I WAS NOT AWARE UNTIL IT WAS, UH, PREVIOUS.

THANK YOU.

AND THAT THERE'S ALSO PROVISIONS WITHIN THAT PD, UM, THAT SPEAK TO HOW SURFACE PARKING LOTS SHOULD BE DEVELOPED, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE ALONG THOSE, UM, LINKAGE STREETS TO HELP PROMOTE WALKABILITY, SHADE STANDARDS, PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE REFLECTED IN THE SITE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE US.

IS THAT FAIR? IS THAT AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT? YES.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A P DISTRICT, WE ARE ALLOWED TO INCLUDE THE SITE PLAN AS A PART OF THAT IS OR, OR PART OF THE ZONING CONSIDERATION? YES, BECAUSE IT'S A PA DISTRICT.

OKAY.

IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

AND, UM, I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME TREES THAT ARE INDICATED ON HERE, THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT ON THE SITE PLAN JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE CERTAINTY ON WHAT THAT IT'S MEETING THE STANDARDS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE REQUIRED PER THE PD.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

THANK YOU.

AND ONE FINAL QUESTION IN YOUR, UM, STAFF REPORT, I JUST WANNA MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

WHEN YOU DID YOUR, UM, PARKING NUMBERS, UM, AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER IS, IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE BAYLOR PD, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'VE GOT A SUMMARY ON PAGE FIVE FOUR THAT TALKS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER REQUIRES THE NUMBER OF SPACES FOR THIS SURFACE PARKING LOT, AND THAT MATH DOESN'T NECESSARILY WORK.

UM, BUT THE AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER AS A PART OF THE SEPARATE BAYLOR PD HAS A SPECIAL PURPOSE PARKING DISTRICT.

ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? NO.

UM, OKAY.

I, I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF WE NEED TO DO THAT.

I THINK THE, I JUST, ANY OF MY COMMISSIONERS WHO READ THAT AND WONDERED WHY THE MATH DIDN'T WORK, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST, BUT IT'S ALSO BECAUSE IT'S COVERED WITHIN THAT PD.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS CLEAR.

THANK YOU.

YES, I DID GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE ASK.

OKAY.

THANK YOU MS. GARZA.

UM, MR. CHAIR MASK A QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.

ABSOLUTELY.

PLEASE.

UM, MR. MOORE, UM, WE RECEIVED A SITE PLAN, A REVISED SITE PLAN THIS MORNING THAT MS. GARZA HAS BRIEFED.

UM, THERE'S ALSO COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ON A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT.

UM, DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE APPLICANT STATE THAT ON THE RECORD AND REMOVE THIS FROM CONSENT, OR CAN IT BE AS BRIEFED? IT'S CLEANER COMMISSIONER TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CONSENT AND DO IT AS OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. MOORE, IF WE MAY HEAR THIS INDIVIDUALLY, PLEASE.

OF COURSE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MS. GARZA.

MS. GARZA, I NOTICED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THIS PARKING LOT SHOWS A DUMPSTER.

I I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A DUMPSTER ON A, A FREESTANDING PARKING LOT BEFORE.

COULD YOU, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE IS THERE? UM, I DID ASK THE APPLICANT AND THEY MENTIONED THAT IT IS GONNA BE PART OF WHAT THEY'RE, UM, BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE ALLEY, AND THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY, THEY PUT IT IN.

ARE THEY REQUIRED TO GET A WAIVER FOR THAT? I AM NOT AWARE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

OF COURSE, I I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE, I, I DID ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT AND I BELIEVE THEY CAN SPEAK TO IT.

IT, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A DUMPSTER WAIVER.

I LEARNED ABOUT THAT THIS WEEK.

SO WELL ASK MR. R THIS AFTERNOON.

COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SO WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE OFF.

CONSENT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER SIX, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MS. GARZA.

GOOD MORNING, MR. PEPPI.

GOOD MORNING.

IT LOOKS GOOD ONLINE.

OKAY, SO ITEM SIX IS Z 2 2 3 2 4 2 2 3 2 4 3.

AND IT'S LOCATED OFF OF PRESTON ROAD IN NORTH DALLAS.

AND THAT, THAT SLIDE, THIS HAS BEEN NOTIFIED DIFFERENTLY.

AND OF COURSE YOU MAY KNOW, UH, BUT THIS IS A NEW SUB AREA IN TRACK FOUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 4, THE PRESTON CENTER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.

IT HAS BEEN RE NOTIFIED AS SUCH AND IT'S ON THE NORTH LINE OF COLGATE AVENUE BETWEEN WESTCHESTER DRIVE AND PRESTON ROAD, 3.4 ACRES.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO ALLOWABLE USES, PARKING AND SIDEWALKS TO ALLOW THE REPLACEMENT OF A BUILDING FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL USE.

AND SO HERE'S THE PRIVATE SCHOOL IN QUESTION

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AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

AND SO TO THE NORTH THERE'S OFFICE TWO, OFFICE HIGH RISES, THERE'S A REMOTE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

THERE ARE OUT PROPERTIES OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT TO THE WEST, SOUTH AND EAST.

HERE'S THE PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS TODAY WITH ITS SURROUNDINGS.

AND THE PD IS FROM 1989.

TRACK FOUR IS CURRENTLY, IT'S CURRENTLY IN TRACK FOUR AND IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THAT CHURCH AND PRIVATE SCHOOL USES, GENERALLY THE TRACK DEFAULTS TO MU TWO.

PRIVATE SCHOOL IS OF COURSE NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THAT MU TWO, UH, BUT THE PROVISIONS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO, UH, THE EXISTING PRIVATE SCHOOL USE BY RIGHT.

UM, INCLUDES IMPROVED SIDEWALKS, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND STREET FURNITURE AND SHARED PARKING, ALL OF THOSE BEING KIND OF STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT WE'D SEE FOR SCHOOLS BUILT TODAY.

SO THEY CAN REPLACE THEIR BUILDING.

HERE IS PROPERTY FROM COLGATE LOOKING NORTHEAST ON COLGATE.

LOOKING NORTHWEST ON COLGATE.

I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY ENTRANCES OF THE SCHOOL AND GOING AROUND, THAT'S ACTUALLY ON PRESTON LOOKING WEST TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE