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[Landmark on April 1, 2024.]
TO THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT IS, UH, 1 0 3 IN THE AFTERNOON ON APRIL 1ST, 2024.
UH, WE ARE IN SESSION WITH A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS BETWEEN THOSE HERE AND THOSE AT HOME.
UH, MY NAME IS EVELYN MONTGOMERY.
I AM THE CHAIR AND, UH, COMMISSIONER COURTNEY
AND LET US START BY HAVING A ROLL CALL OF COMMISSIONERS BY STAFF
UM, DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DISTRICT FIVE.
COMMISSIONER LEVINSON IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
UM, COMMISSIONER GATE PRESENT? DISTRICT 12.
COMMISSIONER GUEST PRESENT, UH, ALTERNATE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
ALTERNATE COMMISSIONER REEVES PRESENT, UH, AND CPC LIVES IN JOANNA HAMPTON.
UM, WE ALWAYS START BY ASKING IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS HERE TO ADDRESS SOMETHING OTHER THAN SPECIFIC CASE.
THOSE REGISTERED SPEAKERS WILL BE HEARD IN THEIR TURN AND USUALLY THERE IS NO ONE HERE WHO WANTS TO JUST SAY HI TO US.
UH, NOW I BELIEVE OUR VICE CHAIR HAS SOME BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF MOTIONS TO MAKE.
I HAVE THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK HERE IN PERSON, RICK SMITH, JESSICA AND YVONNE GONZALEZ AS WELL.
UH, PHILIP KINGSTON AND TERRY RAY, IF YOU, UH, ARE PRESENT, BUT YOUR NAME WAS NOT CALLED, YOU NEED TO GET WITH, UM, GET WITH US TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE GET A FORM FILLED OUT.
OTHERWISE WE WON'T HAVE YOU IN THE QUEUE.
SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, FIRST LIKE TO MOVE TO, UM, ADDRESS SOME OF OUR CONSENT ITEMS. SO MOVE TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE AND FIVE THROUGH EIGHT.
COMMISSIONER PEL AND I BELIEVE IT WAS COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER WHO SECONDED THAT FIRST.
UM, WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH THAT VOTE UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY WHO HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ON THOSE CASES OTHER THAN TO JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WE ARE MOVING TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, SO IF YOU LIKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU'RE SET.
AND COMMISSIONER J TAYLOR HAS JUST JOINED US ONLINE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION TO APPROVE THESE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? AYE.
SO IF YOU WERE ONE OF THOSE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS OTHER THAN FOUR OR NINE, YOU HAVE BEEN, UM, GIVEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS USUALLY APPROVALS.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UM, I RECOMMEND THAT WE ARRANGE THE AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON AS FOLLOWS, STARTING WITH OUR COURTESY REVIEW FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM SIX, THEN CONSENT TO ITEM FOUR, CONSENT ITEM NINE, AND THEN DISCUSSION ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, UM, IN THAT ORDER.
COMMISSIONER PREZI, YOU'RE A SECOND.
UM, AND THE, THE TWO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS HAVE BEEN MOVED AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONERS, BY THE WAY.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
SO WE ARE READY TO GO IF THAT CALLS UP.
OUR COURTESY REVIEW IS OUR SPEAKER PRESENT.
I THINK WE KNOW IF HE WANTS TO.
IS OUR SPEAKER ONLINE? ADRIAN? MR. KINGSTON? HE IS ONLINE.
OKAY, THEN WE COULD PULL HIM UP.
WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO HAVE, UM, STAFF, UH, START US OFF WITH WHATEVER THEY NEED TO SAY ABOUT THIS COURTESY REVIEW YOU'RE HERE FOR.
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ALL RIGHT.RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM ONE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 7 0 1 COMMERCE STREET AND THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH 11 RD AND THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CREATE A NEW SIGNED SUBDISTRICT IN THE WEST END HISTORIC SIGNED DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW SO NO ACTION IS REQUIRED.
THAT THE REQUEST ALSO THAT THE REQUEST TO CREATE A NEW SIGNED SUBDISTRICT IN THE WEST END HISTORIC SIGN DISTRICT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR SPECIAL SIGNED DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEW.
UH, OUR SPEAKER, MR. KINGSTON, I NEED YOU TO GIVE US YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR, UM, ADDRESS AND THEN SWEAR TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS THE HISTORIC MKT HEADQUARTERS BUILDING.
UM, IT'S A VERY PRETTY BUILDING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE EAST FACING WALL, WHICH USED TO BE SANDWICHED WITH ANOTHER BUILDING.
SO THERE ARE NO WINDOWS OR ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT WALL.
AND WHAT WE PROPOSED TO DO IS PUT UP SOME NON-PREMISE ADVERTISING SIGNAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN ON THE FIRST BUILDING AND ON THE ANTIOCH CHURCH.
UM, THESE KINDS OF NON-PREMISE ADVERTISING SIGNS PROVIDE, UH, DESPERATELY NEEDED MONTHLY INCOME FOR BUILDINGS THAT DO NOT REALLY GENERATE MARKET LEVELS OF RENT BECAUSE OF LACK OF PARKING AND AMENITIES.
AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS KEEP THESE ADAPTIVE REUSES ECONOMICALLY VIABLE GOING FORWARD SO THAT THE BUILDING IS PROTECTED.
AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE IS, THERE'S REALLY NO SUCH THING AS PRESERVATION WITHOUT ADAPTIVE REUSE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THIS WILL BE YET ANOTHER, UH, BENEFICIAL ADVERTISING SIGN FOR A WEST END HISTORIC PROPERTY.
DR. DUNN, UH, WILL BE EVALUATING ANY CHANGES IN THE ADVERTISING AS WE GO FORWARD, AS SHE DOES FOR THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT I MENTIONED.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S WORKED VERY WELL.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT, UH, THOSE ADVERTISING SIGNS AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL PROVIDE US WITH WHATEVER USEFUL INPUT YOU HAVE, UH, FOR OUR PLANS FOR THE, UH, IF THERE ARE CHANGE YOU ALL WANNA SEE MADE, OBVIOUSLY I WANNA HEAR THEM TODAY OR THEY CAN BE COMMUNICATED THROUGH DR. DUNN IN THE FUTURE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER OSI, I, I GET TO GO FIRST I GUESS.
ARE THERE ANY OVERARCHING SIGN REGULATIONS FOR SUPERGRAPHICS WITHIN DOWNTOWN? AND IF SO, IS THERE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SUPER GRAPHIC SIGNS THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER THAT? OKAY.
WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO HOW MANY ARE ALLOWED.
WE DO UNDERSTAND, AND I DID BRING UP AS ASKED EARLIER, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE PURSE BUILDING AS WELL AS ON THE ANTIOCH CHURCH.
UH, EACH ONE OF THESE HAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE WEST END DISTRICT FOR THE SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN, ALONG WITH RULES THAT THE SIGN DIVISION FOLLOWS.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHENEVER I RECEIVE AN ADVERTISEMENT, IT HAS TO GO NOT JUST THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO GO THROUGH SPSD, THE SPECIAL PURPOSE SIGN DISTRICTS OFFICIALS FOR EVALUATION OF APPROPRIATENESS, ET CETERA.
SO THIS IS THE ONE ON THE PURSE BUILDING AS ASKED EARLIER, 6 0 1 ELM STREET, THIS IS FACING NORTH MARKET STREET.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE ON THE ANTIOCH CHURCH, THIS IS THE SUPER GRAPHIC SIGN ON THE ANTIOCH CHURCH.
AND THAT'S AT 8 0 5 ELMA STREET.
BUT YOU CAN SEE IT OR IT'S FACING LAMAR STREET.
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AND I DO RECALL THAT WHEN BOTH OF THOSE CAME THROUGH, THEY ARE LIMITED IN SIZE TO NOT COVER UP THE IMPORTANT PART OF THE BUILDING AND THAT THE FIRST BUILDING HAS AN OLD PAINTED ADVERTISEMENT AND THIS ONE HAS THAT ANTIOX SIGN AND WE SPECIFIED THAT THEY NOT COVER THAT UP OR INTERFERE WITH IT IN ANY WAY.BUT THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS, THIS KATY BUILDING BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO JUST ALL BE READ SO
IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE IT'S A FEDERAL ARTERIAL AND THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION ACT.
SO, BUT HE'S NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW BIG IT CAN BE.
BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE NO FEATURES ON THAT WALL THAT NEED TO BE SAVED OR PROTECTED.
AND THAT IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S JOB TO DECIDE IF IT MEETS THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION RIGHT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? IS THERE ANY STUDY OR ANY BACKGROUND AS TO HOW MANY OTHER BLANK WALLS MAY BE IN THE WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT? I KNOW WE HAVE TWO, BUT MAYBE THREE IS OKAY, BUT IF WE HAVE SIX OR SEVEN, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THESE.
I THINK THEY'RE BILLBOARDS AND YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT IT.
ALSO, WHAT BOTHERS ME A BIG TIME IS THAT THERE IS NO SIGN FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
THERE'S NO SIGN REGULATIONS REALLY.
I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE, I, I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN A KIND OF A HALF NAKED COWGIRL WITH A BEER IN HER HAND ON ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S FINE.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE IS NO QUALIFIER FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
SO YOU CAN, YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU GET SOMETHING NICE, BUT YOU COULD GET SOMETHING A LITTLE WEIRD TOO.
SO THAT'S, I THINK IT'S A BILLBOARD AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THEM, BUT THE GENIE'S ALREADY OUT OF THE BOTTLE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, DOES STAFF OR MR. KINGSTON WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THIS? I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HEAR EACH CASE ON ITS OWN MERIT.
SO DO, DO WE KNOW OF ANY OTHER, HOW MANY, I'M SORRY, I KINDA RAMBLED.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OTHER POSSIBLE PLACES ARE FOR THE SCIENCE CAN GO? DO I HAVE NOT CONDUCTED A SURVEY TO SEE? I COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH AND MAYBE GIVE YOU A REPORT IN MAY ON IT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR RECOMMENDATIONS? I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE THINK, UM, THEY OUGHT TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD IN SIGN SELECTION AND ERECTION.
WE, OF COURSE, ALWAYS DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING AND SO ANY ANCHORS FOR IT SHOULD BE PUT INTO THE, UM, MORTAR BETWEEN THE BRICKS AND NOT INTO THE BRICKS BECAUSE THE BRICKS DON'T LIKE THAT AND THEY CRACK ALL UP AND FALL OUT.
SO I'M SURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE WILL BE WATCHING ALL ALONG THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T DAMAGE THE BUILDING.
ANY OTHER CONCERNS? INSTALLER WHO HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS SUCCESSFULLY ON THE OTHER BUILDINGS? AND WE ALSO ARE AWARE OF AT LEAST ONE INSTALLER WHO'S BEEN BAD AT IT, SO WE'LL AVOID THAT ONE.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE BEING REASONABLE
ANYBODY, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? LA COMMISSIONER TT? I CAN'T.
COMMISSIONER TT, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT THE REQUEST IS SIMPLY FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, NOT FOR ANY SPECIFIC APPROVAL.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS RIGHT.
WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE APPROVING THE CONCEPT OF HAVING SUCH ADVERTISEMENTS HUNG ON THIS BUILDING.
LAST I HEARD FROM THOSE WITH MORE LEGAL EXPERTISE.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS IN OUR, IF IT WAS IN OUR, WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO ACTUALLY APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF THIS.
BUT WE CAN CHIME IN AND THEN OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE LOOKING INTO IT AND DR. DUNN WILL BE REVIEWING THE SPECIFIC ADVERTISEMENTS THAT GO UP.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER STANDARDS FOR REVIEW WILL BE, BUT PRESUMABLY SHE WOULD NOT ALLOW 'EM TO ADVERTISE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AS EVIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT OF COURSE, OTHER THAN THAT IT'S JUST AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD LUNCH FOR WATCHES AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS UP THERE.
AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS BECAUSE ADAPTION IS WHAT KEEPS THESE BUILDINGS GOING.
YEAH, I I I ASSUME THIS BUILDING DOESN'T GET A LOT OF TENANTS 'CAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKING, BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL BUILDING.
SO I HOPE THIS WILL HELP KEEP IT IN SHAPE AND, UH, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS SOMETHING TO SAY, UM, MR. KINGSTON, I, I DON'T FEEL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT THE SUPERGRAPHICS OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT I FIND ARE RATHER MISSED OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT UP SOMETHING THAT IS INSPIRATIONAL.
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CASE, I MEAN, THE KATY BUILDING IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BUILDINGS OF ALL IN DALLAS.AND I WOULD HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO CHOOSE, ASSUMING THE MARKET SUPPORTS, YOU KNOW, PLENTY A CHOICE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REALLY GREAT LOOKING ADVERTISEMENT UP THERE THAT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW REMARKABLY PRETTY THIS BUILDING IS.
AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOME GREAT TONE SETTING THOUGHTS THAT, UM, COULD SPEAK WELL, UH, ON THE STREETS LATE.
THE, UH, I'LL SAY THAT THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING IS A, A MEDIUM SIZED, UH, OFFICE INVESTOR AND MANAGEMENT COMPANY, UM, THAT OWNS HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN MULTIPLE CITIES, AUSTIN, DALLAS, UM, KANSAS CITY AND CHICAGO.
AND THEY ARE COMMITTED TO THESE KINDS OF BUILDINGS AND PRESERVING THEM AND ALSO OF CHOOSING ADVERTISEMENTS THAT ARE, UM, COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREAS THAT THEY OWN IN.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THESE GUYS ARE NOT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, STANDARD OFFICE, UM, OPERATORS.
THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE ASSETS THEY HAVE ARE SPECIAL.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW THAT.
I, YOU COULD CERTAINLY TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS HISTORIC.
LIKE SOME OF THOSE OLD PAINTED ADS, PEOPLE LOOK TWICE AT THAT, YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST ARTISTICALLY BEAUTIFUL.
BUT I REALIZE THAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR AND ADVERTISERS KNOW WHAT WORKS FOR THEM.
SO I THINK THAT IS OUR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL
I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE TO TALK TO, INCLUDING THE HIGHWAY BEAUTIFICATION PEOPLE AND OTHER HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH.
BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU VISITING US AND BRING US THIS, UM, LOVELY CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL BUILDING.
OKAY, NEXT UP IS ONE OF OUR FAVORITE TYPES OF CASES.
THE INITIATION OF A NEW LANDMARK TO BE PROTECTED FOR THE FUTURE D SIX AND STAFF WILL TELL US WHAT THAT'S ABOUT AND PERHAPS COMMISSIONER GUEST WILL ALSO WISH TO SPEAK.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1518 ABRAMS ROAD.
IT'S REFERRED TO, OR IT'S CALLED THE SHACK.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1518 ABRAMS ROAD.
NOW, UM, MS. RA GAVE ME A PRESENTATION.
DO YOU HAVE TO SWEAR HER IN? OKAY.
SHE STILL NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE HONOR'S PROCESS OF TELLING ME HER NAME AND ADDRESS.
IS THAT MICROPHONE ON? I WAS ACTUALLY ASKING DR. DUNN BECAUSE NO ONE COULD EVER DEAL.
I SEE, I SEE A GREEN LIGHT NOW AND, AND I, OKAY.
NOW, NOW THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
DO YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH? I'M GONNA TRY MY BEST
TELL US ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL PLACE.
I HAVE LIVED AT THE SHACK NOW FOR A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS.
IT WAS BUILT BY ROGER D. MCINTOSH.
HE WAS A STAINED GLASS ARTIST IN DALLAS.
THESE ARE A FEW OF THE PROJECTS THAT, UH, I WAS ABLE TO ACQUIRE PICTURES OF FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I DISCOVERED IT ON A CITY PLAT AS A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH TWO ROOMS ON TOP.
THERE WAS NEVER A FRONT HOUSE BUILT.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY ON TREMONT UNTIL TREMONT WAS CANNIBALIZED TO, FOR THE ABRAMS CONNECTION TO COLUMBIA TO COME DOWNTOWN.
THAT HAPPENED, THEY PURCHASED THE LAND ABOUT 1971.
THEY ACTUALLY BUILT THAT ABOUT 81.
THEY DEMOLISHED ALL HOMES ON THIS SIDE OF TREMONT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SHACK BECAUSE IT STARTED AT THE VERY BACK CORNER OF THE LOT.
THAT IS THE EARLIEST PICTURE THAT I KNOW OF FOR THE SHACK.
AND I, ROGER AND HIS MOTHER BOUGHT IT FROM VIRGINIA LIPSCOMB IN 1922.
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TURNED IT INTO A DOMICILE AND STARTED TO DO SOME SMALL ADDITIONS.IN 1929, HE BUILT A COMPLETE WING OFF THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH INCLUDED A BEDROOM DOWNSTAIRS, A HALF BATH AND A SOLARIUM.
I THINK AT THAT TIME HE ENLARGED THE DINING ROOM AND KITCHEN AS WELL.
HIS WIFE WAS ALSO A STAINLESS ARTIST NAMED GEORGIA JENSEN.
THEY WORKED FOR PITTSBURGH, ART GLASS, THEIR WHOLE CAREERS.
UH, BUT IN 1939 HE AND GEORGIA BUILT A LARGE WING COMING OFF THE FRONT FOR THEIR ATELIER.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY PRODUCING LARGE WORKS OF GLASS FOR DIFFERENT PLACES THERE AT THE HOUSE.
AND SO IN TURN, THE HOUSE IS A WORK OF ART IN ITS TOTALITY.
AND I GOT IT WHEN I BOUGHT IT 21 YEARS AGO, IT WAS REALLY A CRUMBLING WRECK.
THE WHOLE BACKSIDE WAS BEING EATEN UP BY CARPENTER ANTS.
UH, THE STEEL ROOF WAS IN REALLY BAD REPAIR.
IT FLOODED FROM ABOVE AND BELOW.
IT WAS A MISS, BUT IT WAS DELIGHTFUL.
I TOOK IT ON WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT IT, WE WERE NOT EVEN YET A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT I WAS INTENT ON RESTORATION, NOT REMODELING EVER, EVER, EVER.
UH, I REALLY DO TREASURE THE, THE ARTFUL DETAILS IN THERE.
HE NOT ONLY DID STAINED GLASS, HE CARVED WOOD, HE WORKED IN METAL WORK AND THERE, THERE ARE JUST ANYWHERE HE COULD EMBELLISH IN THE HOME.
ONE THING, IT, IT WAS INDUCTED ONTO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 83, SHORTLY AFTER ROGER'S DEATH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF THE SWISS AVENUE FOLKS KNEW THAT IT NEEDED TO BE PRESERVED.
BUT WHEN I BOUGHT IT IN 2004, IT HAD SUFFERED FOR 20 YEARS OF SLOW NEGLECT.
AND, AND, UH, THE PERSON THAT HAD OWNED IT IN THAT INTERIM BETWEEN ROGER MCINTOSH AND ME, SHE LOVED IT, BUT SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE MEANS OR THE WHEREWITHAL OR, YOU KNOW, JUST FLAT OUT THE MONEY TO DO ANYTHING.
I HAVE WORKED ON IT NOW FOR 20 YEARS.
WE GOT HIT, WE WERE AT ZERO GROUND ZERO FOR THE BIG HAILSTORM.
AND UH, THAT JUST TOOK IT BACK ALMOST TO THE STARTING LINE
BUT NOW IT IS IN THE BEST SHAPE.
I THINK IT'S BEEN IN 50 YEARS.
I WON AN AWARD FROM PRESERVATION DALLAS IN 2019 FOR THE RESTORATION.
I AM MORE PROUD OF THAT THAN ANYTHING I'VE EVER ACCOMPLISHED IN MY LIFE.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE DECLARED A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK BECAUSE I'M A NATIVE DALLAS HEIGHTS.
I THINK WE'RE BOTH GONNA START DECLINING AT THIS POINT, BUT AS LONG AS I WALK THE EARTH, IT IS PROTECTED.
IT'S WHAT HAPPENS AFTER I LEAVE.
AND I, I HAVE NO PLANS TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
THE ONLY THING I DO NOW IS BASICALLY ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, WHICH WITH A HOUSE LIKE THE SHACK IS HARDLY EVER ROUTINE.
I WAS A REALTOR FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
THAT HOUSE IS NOT ONLY UNIQUE TO DALLAS, IT'S UNIQUE IN THE WORLD.
THERE ARE NOT MANY PLACES THAT WE PRESERVE THAT AREN'T NUMBER ONE A RICH MAN'S MANSION OR SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT AND DESIGNED BY A FAMOUS ARCHITECT.
BUT HE DID WORK WITH THE BEST ARCHITECTS OF THE DAY AND HE ROBBED AND STOLE IDEAS JUST LIKE ALL ARTISTS DO.
AND HE INCORPORATED THEM INTO THIS SMALL HOUSE.
IT, IT, IT IS DESIGNATED AS 2200 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT ACTUALLY TO ME FEELS SMALLER BECAUSE IT WAS ADDED ON AND ADDED ON.
SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF BIG OPENINGS TO IT, BUT IT IS NOT A RICH MAN'S HOUSE AND IT WILL NEVER BE.
AND SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN PRESERVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AT, LIKE I SAY, IT IS MY HOME.
I'M GOING TO, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A TOUR IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS WHERE ANY OF YOU WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR CAN COME SEE IT FIRSTHAND.
I REGULARLY HAVE HAD HAD IT ON TOURS, BUT IT IS WHERE I LIVE AND I WILL BE THERE UNTIL I DROP.
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THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS AFTER I LEAVE THAT NO ONE CAN TEAR THIS DOWN.SO, ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL BE GLAD I, I WAS NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK SO WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING SO RESPONSIBLE AND WANTING TO LOOK FORWARD TO TAKING THE CARE, CARE OF THE PROPERTY EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT THERE TO TAKE CARE OF IT ANYMORE.
NOT EVERYBODY THINKS THAT WAY.
SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK COMMISSIONER RES? YES.
I, I I MOVE TO REQUEST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE INITIATION OF THIS HOUSE.
ALRIGHT, I THOUGHT WE'RE GONNA TALK SOME MORE FIRST, NOT THAT WE
ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS UPON, WELL, COMMISSIONER PRESI HAS HIS LIGHT ON.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK, UH, MS. RAY FOR, FOR DOING THIS.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY SPECIAL HOUSE.
MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THERE AND YOU GRACIOUSLY HAVE IT OPEN FOR TOUR FOR PEOPLE TO SEE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR GOING TO THIS LEVEL EVEN THOUGH IT'S CURRENTLY PROTECTED, BUT TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE SPECIAL AS A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO GET THAT DONE.
I LOVE SHARING THE SHACK IT'S AND CHAIR POINT OF ORDER.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITHOUT A SECOND.
UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER RE I'LL SECOND IT.
MR. ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER GUEST.
YOU WERE THE ONE WHO FIRST PUT FORTH THE REQUEST THAT WE CONSIDER THIS INITIATION.
I'M SURE YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT UPON THE WONDERFUL JOB THAT'S BEEN DONE WORKING ON IT SO FAR.
UM, I WANT TO, UH, VERY MUCH THANK MSRA FOR, UH, BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION TO, UM, HER TIRELESS DEDICATION AT TRYING TO RESTORE, UH, UM, SOMETHING THAT IF SHE HADN'T DONE THAT WOULD NOT BE WORTHY OF DE DE DEDICATION.
UM, HER EFFORTS OVER THE LAST 21 YEARS HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLE.
I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO TOUR THE HOUSE ONE-ON-ONE WITH HER.
AND IT IS A, IT, AS SHE SAYS, A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT COVERS EIGHT OF THE 10 DESIGNATION CRITERIA.
UM, AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS IN, IN, IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS HOUSE WILL BE ABLE TO BE SEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO COME.
YOU ARE, UM, GOING BACK AND, AND TRYING TO ACQUIRE NOT ONLY THE HOUSE, BUT THE THINGS IN THE HOUSE THAT WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE HOUSE TO TRY TO GET IT BACK ACCORDING TO IS, UH, WORKROOM AND SOME OF HIS TOOLS AND SOME OF THE DRAWINGS AND PHOTOGRAPHS AND ALL OF THE HISTORY THAT SHE HAS TIRELESSLY PUT TOGETHER SO THAT SHE CAN CONTINUE TO SHOW THIS HOUSE AS THE THE INCREDIBLE PIECE OF, OF ART THAT IT ACTUALLY IS.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I KNOW WE STALLED YOU FOR A MONTH, BUT WE, WE KNEW THIS ONE WAS SAFE.
NOBODY WAS GONNA DO ANYTHING TO THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE HANDS OF A RESPONSIBLE OWNER THAT LOVES IT.
AND IF YOU CAN GO ON THE TOUR, I IMPLORE YOU TWO 'CAUSE IT IS SOMETHING, A PRETTY DALLAS TOUR OR IT'S SOMETHING TO SEE.
I THINK SHE'S, UH, OPENING UP FOR THE, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN DESIGNATION COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT WE'RE DOING ONE OF OUR FIELD TRIPS OUTSIDE THIS.
OKAY, WELL THAT SHOULD BE FINE.
AND WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, GARY, I'M EXCITED FOR YOU.
UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I, I'M EXCITED FOR YOU AND I APPLAUD YOUR ENERGY AND YOUR EFFORTS AND I'M EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT MR. MACINTOSH AND EVERYTHING THAT HE DID.
AND I BELIEVE ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE HUMBLE AND MODEST IN COMPARISON TO THE GRANDIOSE DESERVE PROTECTION AND, AND SPECIAL NOTORIETY.
AND, UM, I EVEN DROVE BY, BUT I CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
SO, AND I LOVE THAT
MAYBE NOT TOTALLY, BUT AT LEAST LIKE THIS SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF GLIMPSE IT, IT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THAT FRONT FENCE IS GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE WHEN ABRAMS CUT THROUGH THERE, THEY TOOK 45 FEET OFF THE FRONT YARD.
AND TWO, THERE IS NO BACKYARD.
THE HOUSE STARTS AT THE BACK FENCE AND IT BASICALLY GOES UP ONE SIDE OF THE LOT.
SO ALL I HAVE IS A SIDE YARD AND WITHOUT THAT FRONT FENCE, THERE WOULD BE NO PRIVACY OR PROTECTION FROM ABRAMS ROAD.
I WILL BE ADAMANT THAT I WANT TO KEEP A FENCE
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OUT FRONT AS LONG AS I'M THERE.IF IT IS NOT A, A HOME, IF IT WERE, SAY A MUSEUM OR SOMETHING LATER, THEN MAYBE THE FENCE COULD COME DOWN.
BUT AS LONG AS I'M THERE, I WILL ADAMANTLY I, I WOULD FOREGO THE DESIGNATION IF IT REQUIRED ME TO TAKE DOWN MY FRONT FENCE BECAUSE I WOULD NO LONGER HAVE THE PRIVACY AND SECURITY THAT I NEED.
I WASN'T NECESSARILY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE FENCE, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY OR WHATEVER.
I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
I, EVEN WITH THE FOLIAGE, IT'S A REALLY HARD HOUSE TO GET ANY SHOT.
YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT, YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE FROM THE STREET, BUT YOU ENTER THE GATE AND PROBABLY WALK 75 FEET TO THE FRONT DOOR BECAUSE IT'S TUCKED BACK IN AN ELBOW.
AND BELIEVE ME, WITH THE GROWTH OF THE TREES AND THINGS, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO EVER GET A, A FULL SHOT OF THE SHACK.
THAT PICTURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THE BACK WING AND THAT IS TAKEN OFF THE SIDE.
THE ONLY REASON IT'S CLEAR THERE'S THE PATIO THERE.
THAT PATIO IS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED OUT OF COBBLESTONE THAT HE SALVAGED WHEN THEY DEMOLISHED ROSS AVENUE.
HE WAS A SCOTSMAN THAT USED EVERYTHING THAT HE COULD.
AND I'M NOT SCOTCH, BUT I WORKED THE SAME WAY.
AND REMEMBER THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE ALWAYS WORKS COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO COME UP WITH THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE AND THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT.
AND, AND TERRY'S JUST BEEN WONDERFUL WORKING WITH THE DESTINATION COMMITTEE AND SO I THINK WE'RE READY TO CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF INITIATING, I HAD A QUESTION.
I I HAD MY HAND UP THERE SOMETIME.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS A, A BEAUTIFUL RESTORATION WORK, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PICTURE ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER.
WHAT ARE THE TWO, UH, VERTICAL PILLARS AND THE HORIZONTAL PILLAR, UH, THAT SHOWS LIKE IT'S ON AN EMPTY FIELD? I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION.
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH.
OH, THAT SHOWED THE GATE, THE ORIGINAL TREMONT ARCHES WERE RIGHT ONE OF THOSE, THAT RIGHT ARCH WAS ON THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY OF THE SHACK.
THERE IS ACTUALLY AN ORNAMENTAL IRON ARCH OVER THE CONCRETE OR BRICK ARCH.
THERE WERE ALSO SMALLER, LIKE IF YOU LOOK TO THE SIDE OF EACH ONE ON THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK, THERE IS A SMALLER PILLAR, PROBABLY MAYBE EIGHT FEET TALL.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE CORNER OF THE SHACK PROPERTY THAT IS THE PICTURE OF TREMONT.
AND THAT'S TAKEN BASICALLY FROM THE DRIVEWAY AT THE SHACK.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHO TOOK THAT PICTURE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ARCHES.
AND IN 71 THE CITY PURCHASED THAT WHOLE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF TREMONT.
I HAVE A COPY OF THE PLAT THAT THE CITY SENT TO ROGER MACINTOSH.
I FORGET WHAT AMOUNT THEY PAID HIM FOR THE 45 FEET.
BUT EVERY OTHER HOUSE, THE HOUSE THAT YOU SEE IN THAT UPPER RIGHT PHOTOGRAPH THAT TO THE RIGHT OF THE TOWERS, THAT IS LONG GONE BECAUSE EVERY HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT ON TREMONT WAS APPROXIMATELY 10 OR 12 FEET INTO THE EASEMENT REQUIRED FOR ABRAMS. AND SO THEY BOUGHT THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
THE SHACK ONLY REMAINED BECAUSE IT DID START AT THE VERY, VERY BACK CORNER.
AND SO IT WAS THE ONLY HOUSE ON THE BLOCK FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS.
IT SAT THERE LIKE AN ISLAND AND THEY DISMANTLED BOTH OF THOSE COLUMNS.
THEY MOVED THEM ONE BLOCK DOWN TO OUR POCKET PARKS AT ABRAMS AND NEAR WORST STREET.
THE COLUMNS ARE STILL THERE, BUT NOT THE SPANNING ARCH.
IT JUST REMINDED ME OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE TRINITY PORTLAND CEMENT COMPANY IN, UH, EAGLE FORD, TEXAS, SOUTHWEST DALLAS.
WELL YOU'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL, WELL IT WAS A REAL IMPORTANT ENTRANCE TO JUNIOR HEIGHTS AND, AND TWO, THE REASON I THINK THAT THEY CHOSE TO DEMOLISH SO MUCH OF TREMONT, IT WAS ONE OF THE WIDEST BOULEVARDS BECAUSE IT HAD THE STREETCAR ROUTE RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE.
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IT GAVE THEM THE MOST SPACE TO WORK WITH WHEN THEY NEEDED TO, TO CONSTRUCT ABRAMS. THANK.OKAY, NOW WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF VOTING, SO WE'LL JUST START AGAIN.
SO IT IS INITIATED, IT WILL BECOME IN THE FUTURE ONCE WE WORK ALL THE DETAILS OUT.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN SO MUCH FOR, FOR 20 YEARS.
ONE MORE STEP JUST AFTER ALL THAT 20 YEARS, THIS IS NOTHING.
I BELIEVE NEXT UP WE HAVE, UM, CONSENT ITEM FOUR, WHICH WE MOVED OVER TO THE DISCUSSION AGENDA.
UH, IF COUNCIL WAS COUNCIL
ITEM C FOUR IS FOR 24 0 1 SOUTH BOULEVARD IN THE SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK, BRO HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 2 48 MW.
AND I AM MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PA THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY APPROACH WITH STONE PAVERS TO MATCH THE EXISTING PAVERS ON THE TERRACE.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAY THE PAVE THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY APPROACH WITH STONE PAVERS TO MATCH THE EXISTING PAVERS ON THE TERRACE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH MATERIALS SUBMITTED 2 23 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE EXISTING WATERFALL STEPS REMAIN WITH NO ALTERATION OR REPAVING.
AND THE FINDING THAT THE WATERFALL STEPS ARE A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE DISTRICT IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CONDITION WOULD ALLOW PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY OF CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO PAVE THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY APPROACH WITH STONE PAVERS TO MATCH THE EXISTING PAVERS ON THE TERRACE FEE APPROVED WITH, WITH CONDITIONS EXISTING WATERFALL STEPS MUST REMAIN INTACT WITH NO STONE.
STONE PAVERS SHOULD ONLY BE USED ON THE FLAT WALKWAY FROM THE HOUSE TO THE WATERFALL STEPS AND FROM THE WATERFALL STEPS TO THE FRONT SIDEWALK.
WE DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, IS THERE SOMEONE ONLINE FOR C FOUR? HE IS ONLINE.
SO, UM, MAY WE SEE, PLEASE SEE STEVEN DEERING IF WE COULD STOP SHARING THE SCREEN AND WE COULD SEE THE PEOPLE ONLINE AGAIN.
I DON'T SEE 'EM YET 'CAUSE I KNOW ALL THOSE PEOPLE.
MR. DARING, YOU NEED TO TURN ON YOUR VIDEO.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU.
UH, WELCOME TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING.
I NEED YOU TO START OFF BY TELLING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, EVEN THOUGH WE ALREADY KNOW.
UH, STEVEN DEERING, 2 4 0 1 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
AND YOU, UH, PROMISE OR SWEAR TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? YES.
OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, ELAINE WILL BE TIMING YOU HERE, UH, TO TELL US WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE US TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
LIKE I SAID, UH, JUST WANTED TO MIRROR WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND INSTALLED.
AND ALSO, UM, THE PHOTOS THAT I SUBMITTED ARE ALSO, UM, JUST SHOWING OTHER, OTHER HOUSES IN A SIMILAR DISTRICT BEING SWISS AVENUE, UM, WHERE THIS, WHERE THIS PROCESS HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN PLACE AND APPROVED THROUGH THE YEARS.
UH, ONE OF THE PHOTOS I SUBMITTED IS THE EXACT SAME MATERIAL, UH, THAT I'VE ALREADY USED ON THE PORCH FOR REFERENCE.
COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR FOR OUR SPEAKER? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE, I THINK FROM THE FRONT SHOWING THE WALKWAY THIS WAY? YES.
I SEE THIS AS A VERY SPECIAL WALKWAY, SORT OF A CHARACTER DEFINING, IT'S VERY LARGE.
UM, MR. ANDERSON, REMEMBER WE ASK QUESTIONS NOW.
SO YOU CAN MAKE IT A QUESTION.
YOU CAN ASK HIM IF HE THINKS IT'S A SPECIAL
WE, WE YOU HAVE TO SOMEHOW, THIS IS TO ENGAGE WITH OKAY.
ARE THERE OTHER WALKWAYS LIKE THIS IN THE DISTRICT WITH THE, THE CIRCULAR GARDEN IN IT? UH, THAT'S, I, I, THAT'S, I HAVE NO IDEA.
THERE'S 200 HOMES IN MY DISTRICT, I THINK.
IS IT ALSO THERE'S AN ARRAY? THERE'S AN ARRAY OF DESIGNS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ONE THAT MATCHES WHAT'S
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ALREADY THERE ON MINE.IS IT ALSO, IS IT ALSO THE, THE TYPICAL WALKWAY IN THE DISTRICT ONCE BY THE CONFIGURATION, THE DESIGN AND THE SIZE? WELL, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO INSTALL A NEW DESIGN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? GO AHEAD.
COMMISSIONER RES IF IT, IF IT HELPS AT ALL.
I CAN TELL YOU THE, I'M IN CONSTRUCTION.
THE AGE OF THE CONCRETE IS PRETTY OLD.
I WOULD SAY IT'S AN EXACT MATCH AS THE STEPS.
SO WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT OR NOT, OR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HOW MUCH TIME YOU'LL SPEND IN SOUTH BOULEVARD, BUT I WOULD SAY THE WALKWAYS UP OR THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY THERE.
SOME OF 'EM ARE ANGLED, SOME OF 'EM ARE WIDE LIKE THIS, SOME OF THEM ARE SINGULAR, SINGLE PATHWAY.
BUT, UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE, THAT CONCRETE IS, SEEMS TO BE ORIGINAL OR THO THE LAST TIME THOSE STEPS WERE, THEY, THEY ARE A MATCH WITH THE TYPE OF AGGREGATE.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL IS USED FOR THE SIDEWALK ITSELF IN THE WALK TO THE STREET? YOU MEAN EXISTING OR WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE PICTURE? THAT'S CEMENT? IT'S, IT'S CONCRETE.
WE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAD NEW SIDEWALKS PUT IN, UH, TWO FROM A, IT APPEARS TO HAVE SOME DESIGN IN IT.
UM, ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE LANDING JUST AFTER THE STAIRS FOR THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK? YES.
AND TO THE STREET, UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LIGHTER WHITE BECAUSE IT'S NEWER, BUT IS THERE A DESIGN, IS THERE, ARE THERE IMPRINTS IN THE SUBMIT OR IS THAT JUST, UM, LEAVES? NO, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE JUST CONCRETE, UH, EXPANSION JOINTS.
AND THOSE ARE JUST LEAVES ON THE GROUND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
SO WILL THE PAVERS GO ON TOP OF THE CONCRETE OR ARE YOU GONNA BE REMOVING THE CONCRETE AND INSTALLING THE PAVERS IN THE SAME, UH, SAME AREA THAT THE CONCRETE WAS.
I WAS GOING TO JUST PUT THEM ON TOP.
UM, WAS WAS THE PLAN, UM, 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T REALLY, EXCEPT FOR THE LANDING AT THE BOTTOM, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS ALREADY, UM, SHIFTED SO MUCH WHERE IT HOLDS WATER, ET CETERA.
SO WATER CAN ACTUALLY DRAIN OUT AND NOT HOLD AT THE STAIRS LIKE IT DOES NOW.
SO THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT IS THE THICK, WHAT IS THE THICKNESS OF THE PAVERS? UM, THEY ARE THREE CENTIMETER, INCH AND A QUARTER EQUIVALENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PERHAPS FROM SOMEONE AT HOME? YOU'RE CURRENTLY ABOUT A HALF INCH TALL, SO I CANNOT SEE IF ANYBODY AT HOME IS MOTIONING TO ME.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, I'LL JUST, UH, TURN IT ON MY LIGHT SO YOU CAN SEE ME.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN DOES, UH, MR. DEARING, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, I, I CONCUR WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON THAT YOUR WALKWAY IS PROBABLY RATHER UNIQUE, UM, BY DESIGN.
AND, UM, I'M WONDERING ABOUT WHAT PROMPTS THE DESIRE TO PUT THE PAVERS ON TOP? IS IT BECAUSE YOUR, UM, YOUR WALKWAY IS SUBSTANDARD AND FALLING APART OR BECAUSE YOU JUST SIMPLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT IT MIGHT, IN YOUR OPINION, BE MORE ATTRACTIVE IF YOU WERE TO PUT THE PAVERS ON BECAUSE THE PAVERS ON YOUR PORCH ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT WAS APPROVED BY Y'ALL, UH, FIVE YEARS AGO, GIVE OR TAKE.
THAT WAS BECAUSE THE, UM, YOUR PORCH WAS DAMAGED AND IT WAS GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO, BUT WELL, YES, IT WAS DAMAGED AND, UM, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING I WAS WANTING BECAUSE OF THE, THE AGE, I MEAN THE TYPE OF MATERIAL FITS.
UM, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE WALKWAY, YES, THE, THE CONCRETE IS NOT IN THE GREATEST SHAPE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY, I I TRULY BELIEVE IT'S ORIGINAL WITH THE STAIRS.
UM, IT'S NOT IN THE GREATEST SHAPE.
UM, AND IF I HAVE TO REPLACE IT, I WOULD.
MY SECOND PART OF THAT IS, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MATCH WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE,
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NOT ONLY FOR THE VISUAL CONTINUATION, BUT I OBVIOUS I'VE DONE A LOT OF, I'VE PUT FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND INTO THIS HOUSE SINCE I BOUGHT IT.AND I WOULD LIKE TO CON JUST CONTINUE THAT LOOK.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY HOUSE HELPS, YOU KNOW, BRING UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, JUST BENEFICIAL ALL AROUND.
I MY UNDERSTANDING, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FIVE.
NUMBER THREE IS THE ONE THAT SAYS EACH PROPERTY SHALL BE RECOGNIZED AS A PHYSICAL RECORD OF ITS TIME AND CHANGES THAT CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT OR TO BE AVOIDED.
AND, UM, NUMBER FIVE, SEEING DISTINCTIVE FEATURES AND FINISHES AND CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES OR CRAFTSMANSHIP TO CHARACTERIZE A HISTORIC PROPERTY SHALL BE PRESERVED.
SO I THINK TAKING YOUR CUE FROM YOUR FRONT PORCH AND THEN APPLYING IT TO THE WALKWAY IS A BIT MUCH OF A STRETCH IN TERMS OF, UM, WELL, WHAT THE HOUSE SHOULD, MAY DESERVES, IF I MAY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED MANY TIMES, MANY TIMES IN OTHER DISTRICTS.
THIS DISTRICT, HOWEVER, IS A DISTRICT, UM, THAT YES IS GRAND LIKE SWISS AVENUE, BUT IT'S NOT SWISS AVENUE.
AND SO IF WE'RE TAKING OUR CUES FROM VARIOUS DISTRICTS AND APPLYING THEM IN OVERLAPPING FASHIONS IN THE ABSENCE OF PRESERVATION CRITERIA TO THE CONTRARY, I'M, I'M GONNA STRUGGLE WITH THAT TOO.
BUT I MUST, I MUST IMPLORE THAT A LOT.
I ONLY SUBMITTED A FEW PHOTOS, DIDN'T THINK I HAD TO DO EVERY HOUSE, BUT SOME OF THOSE APPROVED ON SWISS AVENUE ARE NOT ORIGINAL EITHER.
THERE'S NO WAY WITH THE MATERIAL SELECTION.
WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT OR DENY THAT FACT.
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
NOT THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S UNATTRACTIVE, BUT WHEN I WAS TRAINED UP IN PRESERVATION PRINCIPLES, ONE OF THE BASICS WAS TO BEAR IN MIND THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS NOT NECESSARILY A BEAUTY CONTEST.
WHAT WE THINK IS JUST PRETTIER MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE APPROPRIATE, MS. STRICTEST SENSE.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAD THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, WE HAVE TO GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO SPEAK THE FIRST TIME.
ANYBODY WHO HASN'T SPOKEN WANTS ASK QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, I'M LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF YOUR FRONT PORCH AND I THINK IT MAY BE AN OLD PICTURE, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THERE WAS A RED TILE ON YOUR FRONT PORCH.
IS THAT WHAT YOU COVERED WITH THE PAVERS? UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS ORANGE, BUT YES, THERE WAS, IT WAS MOSTLY CRACKED, BUT YES, IT WAS A, UM, A REDDISH ORANGE TILE, ROUGHLY.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS LIKE A SIX BY 12 OR A SIX BY SIX.
STEPH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, NOTES ON HOW TILE GOT REPLACED WITH PAVERS THERE? I I DON'T KNOW THE FULL STORY, BUT IT WAS APPROVED BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UM, LIKE YOU SAID, I THINK ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, IT'S, IT, THE, THE HISTORY IS IN YOUR, IS IN YOUR CASE REPORT, AND I VAGUELY REMEMBER IT, AND WE DID ASK THEM EXTENSIVELY IF, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DID PROVE THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO RENEW THE TILE AND IF THEY TOOK IT UP, THEY'D BE LEFT WITH CRUMBLES.
SO
SO IN THAT CASE, THE, THE ONE THING, UM, THE CONDITION, UH, IT WAS APPROVED FOR THE TERRACE AND THEN THERE WAS A CONDITION PUT ON THAT HE MUST ALSO DO THE FACE OF THE FRONT STEPS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING THAT THAT WAS A CONDITION THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT IS AN INTERESTING PAVED AS WELL.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE ON THIS MATTER? MR. ANDERSON? I, ANYBODY AT HOME? WAIT A SECOND.
EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR ONE OR TWO HOUSES ON SWISS AVENUE, DO WE FILE THAT PRECEDENT AUTOMATICALLY? NOT AUTOMATICALLY, NO.
BUT WE TEND TO USE IT ALL THE TIME TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, I MY STAFF REPORT, MY CASE REPORT WAS JUST SIMPLY BASED ON THE GRANDEUR OF THE HOUSES BEING SIMILAR AND THE, THE, THE, UM, JUST THAT SOUTH BOULEVARD IS VERY SIMILAR.
COMMISSIONER PREZI, DID YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A MOTION? NO, I DON'T, I HAVE A QUESTION, SORRY, QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO IN 2021, IT LOOKS LIKE THE STONE, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR INSTALL NATURAL STONE IN FRONT WALKWAY AND STEPS.
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IT HA THE, THE, THE WALKWAY HAS BEEN DENIED ACTUALLY TWICE IN THE PAST.UM, THAT, BUT TERRACE WAS, THAT WAS CHANGED, I BELIEVE SO.
WHAT, WAS THERE A CHANGE IN THIS REQUEST THAT NOW YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR, UM, NO, MORE, MORE ACCURATE LIKE A, A CHANGE IN STAFF
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
I AM WAITING FOR A MOTION ON THIS ONE.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I'LL STICK MY NECK OUT.
UM, AND I WON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY IF THERE'S, IF I END UP BEING THE LONE DIS CENTER HERE, BUT I DO, UM, UM, MAKE THE FOLLOWING MOTION IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 3 4 2 4 8 MW 24 0 1 SOUTH BOULEVARD IN THE SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WE, UH, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REQUEST TO PAVE THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY APPROACH WITH STONE PAVERS.
UM, BECAUSE, UM, IT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS NUMBER THREE AND FIVE AND WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT TURNING THE WALKWAY INTO A STONE PAV MATERIAL CREATES A DISCONNECT WITH THE WATERFALL FEATURES THAT OUR CHARACTER DEFINED.
WHO WAS THAT? WHO SECOND WAS IT? COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE OUR MOTION AND OUR SECOND NOW COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I FEEL IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UH, TAKING WHAT PROBABLY IS ORIGINAL CONCRETE AND PUTTING ON PAVERS IS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
IT APPEARS IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT BY LANDMARK MISSION AT LEAST TWO TIMES AND DENIED.
I THINK WE WERE CREATING A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY.
UM, I WAS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE OTHER APPLICATION THAT HAPPENED ON SWISS AVENUE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE REMOVING ORIGINAL MATERIAL AND PUTTING IN A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT THEN IT'S TIME FOR US TO CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY A AYE AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER RENO? WAS THAT IN OPPOSITION? THAT WAS AN APPROVAL.
SO, UM, TO OUR APPLICANT, UNLESS HE'S LEFT US, HOPEFULLY HE'S STILL LISTENING.
UH, YOU HAVE RECEIVED A DENIAL STAFF WE'LL, UM, INFORM YOU ABOUT THE OPTIONS FOR APPEALING BECAUSE IT IS DENIAL OR YOU ARE INVITED TO WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT THEY, THEY COULD HELP YOU WITH THAT THEY FEEL MIGHT BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE ORDINANCE FOR THE DISTRICT.
ALL RIGHT, OUR NEXT CASE IS, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING CONSENT ITEM NUMBER NINE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 3 6 6 SOUTH FLEMING AVENUE AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 2 53 RD.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING EXTERIOR SIDING WITH MILLWORK PATTERN NUMBER 1 1 7, ALL WOOD SIDING ON ALL ELEVATIONS OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT HIGH WOOD PINKETT FENCE IN LESS THAN 50% OF THE FRONT YARD.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT HIGH WOOD BOARD ON BOARD FENCE IN REAR AND SIDE YARDS.
REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE AND EXTEND FRONT PORCH REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING TREES AND SHRUBS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS TO REQUEST NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING EXTERIOR SIDING WITH MILLWORK PATTERN NUMBER 1 1 7.
ALL WOOD SIDING ON ALL ELEVATIONS OF MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 7 20 24.
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THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION, SECTION F UNDER FACADES THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMANT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT HIGH WOULD PICKET FENCE IN LESS THAN 50% OF FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 7 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT FENCING V FIVE TO SIX FEET HIGH CHAIN LINK FENCING FOR CHILD SAFETY IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO MEET STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT HIGH WOOD BOARD ON BOARD FENCE IN REAR AND SIDE YARDS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 7 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT FENCE POSTS OR SUPPORTS BE METAL WITH CONCRETE FOOTING.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED TO WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS I AND M UNDER SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES NUMBER FOUR THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE AND EXTEND FRONT PORCH BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 7 20 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
NUMBER FIVE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING TREES AND SHRUBS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 7 20 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION, SECTION F UNDER SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH FOUR DOC 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING EXTERIOR SIDING WITH MILLWORK PATTERN NUMBER ONE 17.
ALL WOOD SIDING ON ELEVATIONS OF MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT HIGH WOOD PICKET FENCE IN LESS THAN 50% OF FRONT YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
FRONT YARD FENCING SHOULD BE FIVE TO SIX FEET HIGH CHAIN LENGTH FENCING FOR CHILD SAFETY.
THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT HIGH WOOD BOARD ON BOARD FENCE AND REAR AND SIDE YARDS BE APPROVED WITH A FOLLOWING CONDITION.
FENCE POSTS SHOULD BE METAL WITH CONCRETE FOOTING TO STRENGTHEN FENCE NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE AND EXTEND BUNCH FOR BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING TREES AND SHRUBS BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
NOW WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS.
IVAN GONZALEZ AND JESSICA GONZALEZ.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR HAVING US TODAY.
YOU HAVE TO START OFF BY TELLING ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
OUR PROPERTY IS 3 6 6 FLEMING.
AND YOU PROMISE TO SWEAR TO TELL US THE TRUTH? I DO.
ALRIGHTYY YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, PLEASE EXCUSE ME, ALL THIS IS UNI ME, WE'VE HAD TO NAVIGATE, UM, ZONING AND NOW TACKLE THE LANDMARKS.
SO BEFORE THIS, I, YOU KNOW, WHAT ONE 17 SIDING WAS.
AND NOW THANKS TO DR. DUNN AND HER GUIDANCE WE DO.
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COLLABORATING TOGETHER AND, AND, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.OUR PROPERTY USED TO BE A CHURCH AND NOW WE'RE REZONING IT, UM, TO BE A CHILDCARE.
IVAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU STILL HAVE TO TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I GUESS I MUST BE AFTER 26 YEARS.
I, I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH TELLING US THE TRUTH.
OKAY, SO NOW LET US ASK IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF OR OUR SPEAKERS.
MR. ANDERSON, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THE UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE AND HOW TALL DOES THAT FENCE NEED TO BE? THE FENCE IN THE, AROUND THE PLAYGROUND.
HOW TALL SHOULD THE FENCE BE AND ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHAIN LINK INSTEAD OF THE WOOD FENCE? WELL, UM, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE HEIGHT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT CHILD SAFETY COMES FIRST.
UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE MATERIALS, WE'RE OPEN TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK.
UM, THE CHAIN FENCE WAS PROPOSED.
UM, IF I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IF WE COULD PUT MAYBE A WOODEN FENCE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S GOING THAT WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING ON THE SIDE OF CLAINE AND THROUGH THE BACKYARD AND THEN ON THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE, WE WOULD BE OPEN FOR THAT AS WELL.
WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES OR THE REGULATIONS ARE IN REGARDS TO THAT MATTER.
BUT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WHAT IS THE, IS THERE LEGAL REQUIRED FENCE HEIGHT FOR DAYCARES? YOU SAID IT'S FIVE OR SIX, IS IT FIVE OR SIX OR WE DON'T KNOW, OR WELL, HERE'S HOW IT CAME UP IN THE DISCUSSION.
ONE OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS OWNS A DAYCARE CENTER AH, I SEE.
SO SHE WAS THE ONE WHO EXPLAINED, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WE STARTED WITH THE FOUR FOOT HIGH PICKET FENCE.
AND SO THE REST OF US DID NOT KNOW, BUT SHE KNEW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FIVE TO SIX FOOT TALL AND SHE WAS ALSO THE ONE WHO SUGGESTED CHAIN LINK.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE A FENCE TODAY, IS IT GOING TO BE FIVE OR SIX? I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THAT OR, I MEAN IT'S, IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER.
SHOULD WE JUST SAY SIX FOOT OR, OR WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST? WELL, THE REST OF THE FENCING, THE BOARD WOOD BOARD ON BOARD IS GOING TO BE SIX FOOT HIGH.
SO I MEAN, WHERE IT NEEDS, IT MIGHT BE NICE IF THEY BOTH ARE THE SAME HEIGHT.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE A FENCE TODAY, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW HIGH IT'S GONNA BE.
SO DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE FIVE OR SIX? WE LEAVE IT AT THAT OR DO YOU HAVE TO BE MORE DEFINITIVE? I'M NOT SURE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE TO NO MORE THAN SIX FEET.
AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW A FENCE THAT HEIGHT.
WHAT IS THE FENCE REQUIREMENT FOR FOR 10TH STREET? FOR THE FRONT YARD? THREE FEET, SIX INCHES HIGH, WHICH IS DEFINITELY TWO LOW FOR SIX.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY OR UM, OR SOMEONE, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE A FENCE NOT TO SEE SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, WOULD IT BE BEST FOR US TO USE THE WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE? THAT THE FENCE THAT WE ARE APPROVING DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD? 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE ORDINANCE AND I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE, THE TALLER FENCE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
I JUST NEED TO KNOW HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE APPROVE IT SO THAT IT IS FINE? YOU COULD USE THE WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE IN WHICH IT SAYS IF IT DOES NOT STRICTLY COMPLY WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT INTENT OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND APPROVE IT THAT WAY.
SO WOULD THAT BE, AND WE NEED TO APPROVE IT DIFFERENT THAN THE ORDERS.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, PROBABLY TO STAFF, IS THERE ANY, DOES THIS, IS THERE A SANDBORN MAP HERE THAT'S SHOWING THE YEAH, BECAUSE THE QUESTION CAME UP THIS MORNING ABOUT THE, UH, FRONT PORCH.
WELL NOW IT'S A PORT OF CO, BUT YES, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
EXTENDING IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING.
THIS IS ACTUALLY SHOWING IT AS A STORE ORIGINALLY NOT A CHURCH.
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ON THE SANDBORN MAP WHERE I'M, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING.IS IT WHERE THE RIGHT HERE WHERE, WHERE YOU SEE THE LITTLE GRAY BOX? YEAH.
RIGHT ABOVE IT IS WHAT? OH, ABOVE IT.
SO AT THAT TIME IT WAS A STORE SURROUNDED BY TWO HOUSES AND A GARAGE IN 1922.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER IS AT HOME.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THEN WE NEED A MOTION.
I PROPOSE A MOTION TO A APPROVED STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATIONS I ON CA 2, 3, 4, ACT 2 5 3.
WE SAYING YOU'RE APPROVING THOSE BASED ON THE ARGUMENTS PUT FORTH BY STAFF OR WHY THEY'RE APPROPRIATE.
I WOULD BE APPROVING THEM BASED BY THE ARGUMENTS PUT FORTH BY STAFF.
WELL, NO, YOU SAID IT WRONG JUST LIKE I DO, BUT WE KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? TAYLOR? I SECOND IT.
UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS SECONDED.
I, AND TO, TO ADD TO THE MOTION SINCE WE ARE, UM, MAKING A EXCEPTION FOR THE FENCE THERE.
APPROVAL, UM, IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 3 4 2 5 3 RD.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE, THE REQUESTS WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT ALTHOUGH THE REQUEST DOES NOT STRICTLY COMPLY WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, THE PROPOSED WORK IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT INTENT OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, AND WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY OR THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
DOES OUR SECOND STILL AGREE? THAT WAS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WITH OUR SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT, THEN I CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT.
IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE ADVICE THAT THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED HERE, UH, I SURE THAT STAFF WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.
AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR VENTURE.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MINUS WELL.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1462 FIRST AVENUE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 2 52 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 3 21 20 24, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT FINAL COLORS, FINISHES AND AMUSEMENT SIGNAGE MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF WORK.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 5.2, SUBDIVISION B FIVE D AND SECTION 5.2, SUBDIVISION
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B FIVE F ACCORDING TO NO PERTAINING TO THE LAGOON, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS AND CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVED CONCEPT OF ADDING A CAROUSEL TO THIS LOCATION.
TWO, APPROVE PROPOSED LOCATION, LAYOUT AND FENCING ON THE SITE.
THREE, CONFIRM A DA SEATING WILL BE PROVIDED ON THE CAL CAROUSEL.
FOUR, CONFIRM STABILIZE DG OR DEPO DECOMPOSED GRANITE MATERIAL WILL BE A DA ACCESSIBLE AND EDGING BE PROVIDED.
FIVE FINAL COLORS, FINISHES, AND SIGNAGE TO BE APPROVED UNDER A SEPARATE CA.
AND WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS NORMAN ALSTON.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UH, I'M NORMAN ALSTON, 5 0 6 MONTE VISTA IN DALLAS.
UM, I AM HERE REPRESENTING FAIR PARK FIRST AND AND YOU'RE PROMISING TO TELL THE TRUTH AND I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OUR BRIEFING EARLIER AND HEARD SOME OF OUR CONCERNS EXPRESSED OR NO, MA'AM.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE UM, UH, THANK YOU FIRST FOR YOUR, UH, INPUT A MONTH AGO.
UH, WE CAME THROUGH WITH THE COURTESY REVIEW.
I HOPE YOU'LL FIND THAT THIS, UH, SUBMISSION, UH, ENDEAVORS TO RESPOND AS MUCH AS WE CAN AT THIS POINT TO THE CONCERNS.
MANY OF THE CONCERNS ARE EXPRESSED AT THAT TIME.
UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CATCH 22 HERE.
THE, UH, UH, THE, THE AQUARIUM DOESN'T WANT TO ACQUIRE THE, THE, UH, CAROUSEL WITHOUT AN APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD.
THE CAROUSEL COMPANY, WHICH IS OFFSHORE, WON'T GIVE US ANY MORE TECHNICAL INFORMATION OR, OR ANYTHING UNTIL THEY HAVE AN ORDER IN PLACE.
UH, AND SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE AVAIL INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME.
THE IDEA IS RESPONDING TO ONE OF THE MAJOR COMMENTS LAST TIME WITH, TO PUT THE CAROUSEL AT FROM THE MANUFACTURER THERE, EXCEPT THAT THE MANUFACTURER HAS AGREED TO, UH, TO, TO PAINT IT A SINGLE BASE COAT COLOR, WHICH WE WOULD PICK AS PROBABLY A, AN ALUMINUM TYPE OF SILVER.
AND THEN WE WOULD, UH, ONCE IT GETS HERE, WE WOULD PUT ON THE, THE TRIM COLORS, UM, UH, IN A, A MORE MUTED, MORE, UH, ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE, UH, SCHEME, WHICH I HAVE SUBMITTED ONE TO YOU TODAY.
JUST A, A PALETTE TO CHOOSE FROM, UH, TO MAKE, TO MAKE THE COLORS MORE MUTED AND MORE APPROPRIATE TO ART DECO, UH, UH, CONTEXT OF THE, THE CAROUSEL.
AND AROUND, UH, WE WILL, THE REASON WE HAVE SEPARATED OUT THE FINAL COLORS AND ALSO BECAUSE WE REALLY CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE'VE GOT THE THING ON ORDER AND GET BETTER INFORMATION FROM THE, UH, FROM THE MANUFACTURER SO THAT WE CAN COME IN AND PREPARE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS HOW THOSE COLORS WOULD BE APPLIED.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR APPROACH.
UM, UH, I LIKE YOU HAVE SOME, SO THANK YOU.
AND THE VERY FIRST PERSON TO HAVE HIS LIGHT ON WEST COMMISSIONER PREZI.
SO HE REALLY WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION.
I GUESS I WANNA, UM, SO THANK YOU MR. TON.
UM, QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE HEIGHT OF THE CAROUSEL IN RELATION TO THE TREES, WILL YOU NEED TO BE TRIMMING ANY OF THE BRANCHES TO GET UNDER THE TREE CANOPY THERE? OR HOW WILL THAT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T EXPECT TO.
WE HAVE MOVED IT OUT INTO A CLEARING.
UH, THERE ARE SOME LARGE TREES NEARBY, BUT IT, THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY PLACE IT WILL GO WITHOUT GOING UNDER THE TREES.
AND WE'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE TREES THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AND IF THERE IS TRIMMING DONE, AGAIN, THERE'S THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL ON THAT WE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YET.
WE, THERE'S THINGS, TECHNICAL INFO WE DON'T HAVE ON THE CAROUSEL YET.
I THINK WE MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE, IN THE COURTESY REVIEW, WE WILL HAVE A, AN ARBORIST, UH, UH, STUDYING ALL OF THESE PROVISIONS, BOTH CONSTRUCTION PHASE, UH, WORK AND ANY, UH, LIGHT TRIMMING THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED TO RE TREE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PRODUCTIVE OF THOSE, UH, THOSE SPECIMENS.
AND ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER REEVES AND THEN COMMISSIONER, UM, ROTHENBERGER, I TRIED TO PAINT A FIBER GLASS SAILBOAT AND IT DIDN'T WORK TOO WELL.
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GONNA GET THE PAINT TO STICK TO THE FIBERGLASS? WELL, IT'S NOT FIBERGLASS.IT IS, IT IS, UH, IT IS A FIBER REINFORCED PLASTIC.
UH, AND IT IS PAINTED STANDARD PAINT.
I MEAN IT'S, YOU JUST SAID SILVER, SILVER COLOR.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT PAINT OVER IT THAT'S GONNA STICK.
THIS IS A VERY PAINTABLE MATERIAL.
AND LAYERING UP COLORS OF PAINT IS CERTAINLY COMMONLY DONE.
WE, WE HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT GETTING THE PAINT STICK.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS REALLY THE FINAL DESIGN FROM A DESIGN, OBVIOUSLY NOT THE FINISHES, THE COLORS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT THE DESIGN OF IT IS AS SHOWN THE DESIGN, THE THE DESIGN IS AS SHOWN.
THE FIGURES, THE FORMS, ALL OF THAT IS, WILL BE AS IT'S DONE BY THE MANUFACTURER.
WE HAD HOPED TO COME UP WITH SOME CUSTOM ON THAT, BUT THAT PROVED TO BE NOT POSSIBLE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY ANOTHER CONCERN THAT THE COMMISSION HAD AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, I MEAN, ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE COLOR PALETTES BEING APPLIED TO THIS KIND OF DESIGN AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK? UM, 'CAUSE I MEAN, I CAN JUST IMAGINE THOSE STARFISHES BEING PAINTED A DARK MAROON COLOR NOW BY THE COLOR PALETTE I'M SEEING.
AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY NATURAL.
SO I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE WOULD PLAY TOGETHER.
WELL, I, AND IN AND IN TRUTH, WE, I, I THINK THE COLOR PALETTE IS, IS VERY, AS IT WAS, ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS MORE MUTED TO, TO AVOID THE, UH, THE CHUCK E CHEESE LOOK HERE.
UH, AND SO WE'VE GONE THAT ROUTE IN TERMS OF WHICH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T SEE A BRIGHT YELLOW STARFISH BEING PAINTED MAROON, OF COURSE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING BEING PAINTED IN MAROON.
UM, UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE WILL COME BACK WITH A, UH, MY INTENTION IS TO GET A BETTER PHOTOGRAPH OF THE UNIT AND THEN GO TO WORK WITH OUR PHOTOSHOP TECH, UH, TECHNIQUES AND ACTUALLY APPLY THESE COLORS TO IN PLACE.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA TELL SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY WHAT TO PAINT WHAT COLOR SO WE CAN BRING THAT BACK.
WE JUST COULDN'T DO IT IN THE LAST 30 DAYS.
I WOULD J MEAN MAKE TOO MUCH OF A JOKE OUT OF, BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UM, IF, UH, UM, IF THAT DESIGN WAS FINAL AND I, YEAH, I I THINK SOME OF US WERE HOPING THAT PERHAPS IT COULD BE CHANGED TO LOOK TO BE MORE OF A TRADITIONAL LOOK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE LOCATION, GIVEN THE FAIR PART.
UM, RATHER THAN THAT, I GUESS AS WE HAVE SAID, A CHUCK E CHEESE LOOK.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
UM, I KNOW THAT I SEE THE COVER ON IT, BUT IS THAT COVER SUFFICIENT TO PREVENT HEAT BURN FROM THE PLASTIC OF THE ANIMALS, THE ANIMAL RIDES? UM, DIFFICULT TO ANSWER.
I I WOULD, AS IF YOU'RE, IF, IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION BEING, WILL THERE, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SUN TO, TO, UH, HEAT SOME OF THE RIDE SEATS SO THAT THEY'RE LIKE A CAR SEAT IN THE SUMMER THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE TO SIT ON? I SUSPECT THAT'S POSSIBLE.
THE MORE IT'S USED, THE LESS LIKELY THAT'S AN ISSUE.
UH, I'M SURE THERE'S OPERATIONAL, UH, PROCEDURES THAT THEY'LL WANT TO IMPLEMENT TO MAKE SURE NO CHILDREN ARE INJURED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE OR CONFIDENT APPROVING SOMETHING IF WE KNEW WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, IS THERE A REASON? I GUESS I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN, WHY YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GIVE US A COLOR RENDERING TODAY.
BECAUSE THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE WOULD WANT TO USE IS THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE GOT AVAILABLE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT CLOSELY, IT'S FAR TOO PIXELATED TO REALLY GIVE YOU MUCH OF A, UH, GIVE US THE KIND OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO PREPARE A FULL COLOR SCHEME TO GET BACK WITH IT SO THERE'S NO BETTER PHOTOGRAPH AVAILABLE.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S ALL WE CAN FIND.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ASKED IF THERE'S ONE OF THESE EXISTING IN THE COUNTRY THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT WAY AND GET MAYBE IMAGES OF IT.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEY WON'T TELL US WHERE IT IS.
SO I, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT COLOR IS A MAJOR PART OF THIS AND I AM NOT REAL EXCITED ABOUT THE WHOLE THING TO START WITH.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COLORS AND HOW IT COMES TOGETHER BEFORE I WOULD WELL, AND YOU WILL GET INTO THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS LITTLE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.
WELL, UH, COMMISSIONER, WE YOU, YOU WILL, YEAH.
AS, AS WE HAVE SAID SPECIFICALLY, THERE IS AN, UH, A DETAILED COLOR SCHEME OF THIS UNIT COMING BACK TO THIS COMMISSION BEFORE THE
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THING IS INSTALLED.AND YOU'LL HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY, UH, UH, TO, TO DO EXACTLY AS YOU SAY.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT TILL IT'S ORDERED.
YOU COME HERE AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE COLOR TOGETHER WHEN YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE, I CLOSE, HE WILL MAKE A, HE WILL, HE WILL, HE WILL PLACE AN ORDER THAT WILL OPEN UP A LOT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
'CAUSE WE'VE ASKED FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS AND JUST CAN'T GET IT UNTIL THEY, UNTIL THEY, THEY, UH, GET AN ORDER.
'CAUSE A LOT OF WHAT THEY DO CUSTOM THAT WAY ANYWAY.
AND ONCE WE'VE GOT THAT, UH, WE KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHERE IT GOES, HOW BIG IT IS, UH, HOW IT SITS ON THE GROUND, THINGS OF THAT SORT.
BUT WE, WELL, I DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING I NEED TO COME UP WITH A FULL COLOR SCHEME FOR THIS THING YET.
THAT'S WHY WE DID IT SEPARATELY.
QUESTION, IS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER OFFIT? IT IS.
UM, THIS IS FOR ACTUALLY FOR STAFF.
UM, THE, AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION.
WE'RE NOT ASKING TO APPROVE COLORS.
WE'RE NOT ASKING TO APPROVE THE DESIGN.
WE'RE THE, THE ASK ON THIS APPLICATION IS TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT AND THE PLACEMENT.
THE CONCEPT, THE PLACEMENT, UM, THAT, YEAH, THE, IF I MAY SAY THE UNIT ITSELF, THE ACTUAL, YEAH, THE RIGHT, THE DESIGN TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY HAVE TO ORDER IT.
SO IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE COMMISSIONER OFFIT.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE.
AND WITH THE SEAHORSES, THE STARFISH, ET CETERA.
THE MATERIAL YOU SEE IS WHAT THE FINISHED PRODUCT IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPOSED OF.
THE DIFFERENCES, THE COLORS, THE PROPOSED COLOR PALETTE IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE AND HOW THAT WILL BE APPLIED.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE OTHER THING THAT'S KIND OF BEEN DECIDED SO FAR IS THIS PICTURE, WHICH IS THE HARDSCAPING, THE, UH, PEDESTAL, IT'S GOING TO GO ON AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE CITED.
BUT ALL OF THAT COMES BACK TO US AGAIN.
IS THAT CORRECT? FOR FINAL APPROVAL, WHAT COMES BACK TO US AGAIN FOR FINAL APPROVAL WOULD BE THE COLORS, THE FINISHES, THE SIGNAGE.
BECAUSE SIGNAGE ALSO HAS TO BE CONSIDERED, THAT'S WHAT WOULD COME BACK TO US FOR FINAL APPROVAL BEFORE THEY COMMENCE OUR START WORK.
AND BY THE WAY, ON THESE COLORS, UM, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND, UM, SOME OF THE FAMOUS HISTORICAL CAROUSELS, UH, THAT ARE STILL EXISTING HAPPEN TO HAVE MUTED COLORS.
UH, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE OUT OF THE BALLPARK IN TERMS OF ASKING FOR THAT.
AND MR. AUSTIN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE AQUARIUM FOLKS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO, UH, ADAPT OUR PART AND TO ADAPT THE AQUARIUM SO THAT WE CAN KEEP IT FOR ANOTHER, UM, CENTURY INSTEAD OF LETTING IT GO BY THE WAYSIDE.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION AND THEN ONCE THE MOTION'S MADE, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK, JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING WITH, WITH MR. ALSTON.
SO MR. ALSTON, YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE HAVING A LITTLE DIFFICULTY WORKING WITH THE MANUFACTURER OF THIS PRODUCT.
THEY WON'T TELL YOU WHERE THE OTHER ONE IS.
THEY WON'T SEND YOU THE PICTURE AND STUFF.
UM, SO JUST TO MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I'M SURE THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU IF THIS THING, WELL, WE, WE DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TOO.
WE'RE WAITING FOR IT TO COME SO YOU CAN PAINT IT AND IT SHOWS UP LOOKING PRECISELY LIKE THIS PICTURE.
IT WOULD OF COURSE BE UPON YOU AND THE PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT TO RECTIFY THAT AND MAKE THE FINAL THING LOOK LIKE YOU TOLD US IT WAS GONNA LOOK RIGHT.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE MATERIAL AND THE, ALL THE PAINT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU, YOU ACCEPT THAT THAT IS THE OUTCOME YOU ARE PROMISING US.
AGAIN, I HAVE, THIS IS NOT MY FIRST C OF A AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE WHEN IT'S APPROVED AND HOW THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU SAY IT IN PUBLIC ON THE RECORD,
NO, I'M, DON'T MAKE A HABIT OF CIRCUMVENTING CFAS.
WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT ALL AS MUCH AS WE CAN AT ONE TIME.
IT'S JUST WE'RE, YOU KNOW, CATCH 22 A LITTLE BIT.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU ASKED FOR AT THIS POINT.
WELL, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, US ENDLESS DEMANDS.
IT'S SOMETHING WERE TO GO TERRIBLY WRONG.
DO YOU HAVE A BACKUP CAROUSEL? ARE THERE ANY OTHER CAROUSELS AVAILABLE
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IN THE WORLD? OR IS THIS LIKE THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU CAN AFFORD AND FITS AND WHATEVER OTHER PARAMETERS YOU HAVE? WELL, I'LL QUALIFY IT FIRST BY SAYING I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CAROUSEL SELECTION.I AM JUST REPRESENTING THE C OF A PROCESS THAT COMES FROM, UH, OUR FOLKS AT THE, UH, AQUARIUM.
WHAT, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, THERE ARE, THERE'S A CAROUSEL MANUFACTURER, UH, IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA.
EVEN WE'VE GONE THERE, WE'VE LOOKED FOR, UH, UH, USED CAROUSEL.
IT COULD BE RE REPURPOSED TO, TO THIS AND EVERYTHING.
NONE OF THOSE OPTIONS HAVE PANNED OUT.
THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM BEING THE THING THAT'S KIND OF MOTIVATED, THE ONLY THE, THE APPLICANTS TO, TO DO THIS IS THAT, THAT, THAT THE NEXT STEP UP IN A CAROUSEL IS ABOUT THREE TIMES THE MONEY.
SO APPROACHING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE LESS THAN TWO.
SO, UM, UH, AND THAT PUTS IT IN A RANGE WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ADD THE FEATURE TO THE AQUARIUM EXPERIENCE.
AND SO, SO YES, WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT.
AND SO IF IT GOES, SO IF IT GOES SOUTH, IT COMES IN AND WE ALL REALIZE THAT IT'S MADE OUT OF PAPER MACHE OR SOMETHING, INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY TOLD US, THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THEY WILL EITHER HAVE TO COME UP WITH, UH, THE MONEY TO GET ANOTHER ONE OR THIS, OR WE FIND SOMEBODY ON EBAY TO BUY THIS ONE AND THEY JUST DON'T DO A CAROUSEL.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU.
WELL I SEE YOU'VE PLANNED AHEAD FOR EVERY POSSIBLE CONTINGENCY
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WE ARE READY FOR YOUR MOTION.
OH, ARE WE NOT COMMISSIONER REEVES? THEY HAVE ASSURANCES THAT THEY WILL HAVE A DA SEATING ON THIS SEAHORSE THING.
THERE WILL BE A-D-A-C-D EVEN IF WE HAVE TO MODIFY IT.
WE COULDN'T LEGALLY DO IT WITHOUT THAT.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, UM, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION AND IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 3 4 2 5 2 RD 1462 FIRST AVENUE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I MOVE THAT, UH, WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SATISFY THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA CITED IN SECTION 5.2 B FIVE D, WHICH STATES THAT, UM, AMUSEMENTS TEMPORARY EXHIBITS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES AROUND
AND, UM,
WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HASN'T SEEN.
THE APPLICANT, UM, ISN'T QUITE CERTAIN ABOUT WAY TOO MANY THINGS HERE.
UM, WE HAVE A AMUSEMENT THAT YES, IT HAS A WHIMSICAL NATURE THAT MOST OF US DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, NOR PLACEMENT NOR TREES NOR A DA NOR HEIGHT NOR PURPOSE.
BUT TO ME, UM, THIS APPLICATION ESSENTIALLY IS INCOMPLETE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T INCLUDE COLOR.
AND COLOR IN THIS CASE IS INTEGRAL AND PERTINENT TO THE DESIGN.
SO I PERSONALLY, OH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, OUR ATTORNEY IS REQUESTING THAT WE FINISH, UH, HAVING A SECOND BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT BECAUSE OKAY.
COMMISSIONER RES WAS SECONDED.
OKAY, NOW YOU CAN BECAUSE, SORRY, BUT TO BE, I CAN'T, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, TO BE CLEAR, YOUR MOTION JUST ENDS WITH IT DOESN'T MEET THAT SECTION.
OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER REED.
BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A DESIGN THAT WE CAN'T EVEN PUT OUR FINGERS ON.
WE'RE BEING, IT'S, WE'RE BEING ENCOURAGED TO HOPE FOR THE BEST.
AND REST ASSURED THAT IT'LL ALL WORK OUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE THAT APPROACH.
TO ME, IT FEELS VERY PIECEMEAL.
UM, I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO FAIR PARK.
WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THE AQUARIUM IN THE LAGOON, BUT WE SHOULD RESERVE OUR DECISION ONCE WE CAN SEE AND UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND THE DESIGN.
UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, I SUGGEST THAT THIS IS AT PRESENT, NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE MADE TO BE, BUT AT PRESENT
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IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE, UH, PER THE, UM, CRITERIA I JUST CITED.IT IS EXTREMELY UNUSUAL TO BE ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT IT, BUT WE ARE BEEN GIVEN THAT IT'S AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE THAT THEY CAN'T GET THE DETAILS YET.
UM, WE REALLY DON'T LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK AT THIS POINT.
BUT STAFF, COULD YOU ASK THE APPLICANT? NO.
COULD YOU THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO GET US THE DRAWING THAT ACTUALLY DEPICTS THE APPEARANCE OF IT SOON? GET THE PICTURE OVERLAY APPROPRIATE COLORS TO WHERE WE COULD SEE IT LIKE THE NEXT MEETING OR SOMETHING? WELL, I'M TELLING YOU, YEAH, JUST TELL VONDA
Y'ALL DO SOME THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN WHEN I USED TO COME HERE MORE REGULARLY.
UM, THE, THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE EVERYTHING.
WE THINK WE NEED TO DO A GOOD JOB OF REPRESENTING THOSE COLORS AND WE HAVE TO ORDER IT BEFORE WE CAN GET THOSE.
SO DO I HAVE TIME TO DO IT? YES.
DO I HAVE RESOURCES TO DO IT? NOT SURE.
I SUPPOSE WE COULD TRY, BUT, UM, AGAIN, AGAIN, BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I'M SO AGAIN, I, I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES WHERE WE WERE, WHERE THIS COMMISSION, INCLUDING WHEN I WAS ON IT, UH, APPROVED THINGS WITH THE COLORS TO BE, TO BE APPROVED LATER.
AND THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL TO ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE RE WE CAME FORWARD THIS WAY.
BUT, UM, UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER IT.
WE CAN GET, WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOMETHING, I SUPPOSE, IF NEEDED, BUT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAYS AS WE'VE PRESENTED IN MY OPINION.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS THEIR VIEW ON THIS.
WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE DEALING WITH THE ONE MANUFACTURER ON EARTH CAN, CAN MAKE THIS THING FOR THEM AT AN AFFORDABLE COST, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO PLEASE, COMMISSIONERS HELP.
I CAN SEE THAT IF WE APPROVE THE CONCEPT OF A CAROUSEL, NOT, NOT THE WAY IT LOOKS, JUST THE CONCEPT OF A CAROUSEL AND THE PLACEMENT OF A CAROUSEL LATER, COULD WE, UH, RETRACT THAT IF IT COMES LIKE THIS, UH, AND UNMUTED, I MEAN NOT, UH, REAL FLASHY AND SO FORTH, COULD WE RETRACT THAT IN THE FUTURE SO THAT WE CAN ONLY APPROVE THE CONCEPT OF A CAROUSEL AND THE PLACEMENT OF THAT, UH, WITH, UH, LIKE THE CONDITION THAT IF IT WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE, UH, WE COULD DENY IT AT THAT TIME? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
PROBABLY FOR OUR ATTORNEY, I THINK PERHAPS BETTER PHRASED IF WE APPROVE THE CONCEPT OF A CAROUSEL OF THIS SIZE IN THIS LOCATION.
BUT WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT APPROVE THE COLORS AND APPEARANCE AS IT IS PRESENTED TO US LATER.
THAT'S COURT OF A GAMBLE UPON THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL DO THAT.
BUT LET'S ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS.
JUST ISN'T THAT WHAT STAFF RECOMMEND REC IS RECOMMENDING RIGHT NOW? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
THEY WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION TO GET A CA FOR FELLOWS.
AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, THE CONCEPT ISSUE, THEY COME BACK AND SHOW US WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE AND IT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE WOULD DENY IT AT THAT TIME.
I'M JUST SAYING THEN WHAT THEN THEN THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO REMOVE THE CAROUSEL OR DRAPE IT.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO EVEN START WORK UNTIL THEY COME BACK WITH WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE IN ACTUAL HOURS.
SO THAT CLARIFICATION IS NO MATTER WHAT WE APPROVE TODAY, A CAROUSEL WILL NOT APPEAR NEXT WEEK.
UH, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, I BELIEVE
UM, I, I I FEEL LIKE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN'S MOTION WAS MORE IN LINE OF MORE THAN JUST THE COLOR.
UH, PER, UM, FORGIVE ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T KNOW IF INCLUDING THE DESIGN WAS A PART OF THIS.
I MEAN, AND IS THIS APPROPRIATE, UM, AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN? I REALLY WOULD BE CONCERNED.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST, BUT JUST GIVEN THE, THE VISIBILITY OF THE SITE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS REQUEST AND WHO WE'RE DEALING WITH AND WITH FAIR PARK, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, ALL THAT'S LEFT AFTER THIS IS VERY SUBJECTIVE
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AND BRINGING IT BACK AND HOPING THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVES IT IS, IS A LITTLE CONCERNING.UM, UH, IS THIS REALLY THE ONLY MANUFACTURER THAT CAN BE USED? I MEAN, I HAVE QUESTIONS.
SHOULD THE CHEAPEST OPTION BE THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE PLACED? I MEAN, I THINK THOSE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS NEED TO BE TAKEN CONSIDERING THE SITE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN'S MOTION WAS TRYING TO AIM AT
WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE CROSS PRESS.
MAY I SPEAK TO THAT
WITH THE NEW KNOWLEDGE, I'M SUGGESTING THAT COLOR IN THIS CASE IS INTEGRATED WITH THE DESIGN ITSELF AND THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF THE COLOR, WE SHOULDN'T, IT'S NOT WIDELY PR FOR US TO SEPARATE COLOR AS A SEPARATE MATTER BECAUSE IT'S VITALLY, VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THE DECISION.
THEN CONSIDERING THAT CLARIFICATION, THEN IT WAS PRIMARY COLOR.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT I, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DESIGN.
I THINK PUTTING THE PAINT COLORS ON THAT DESIGN IS GONNA LOOK A LITTLE AWKWARD.
SO THAT'S JUST
SO I DON'T, I DON'T, IN MY MIND, I'M NOT PICTURING IT.
SO IF THE APPLICANT CAN BRING IT BACK AND IT, WE CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, ALL INCLUSIVE, THEN I GUESS I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, SUPPORTING THIS REQUEST.
I THINK CONCEPTUALLY AT A VERY CONCEPTUAL BASIS, I COULD SUPPORT IT, BUT I JUST, YEAH, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
UM, HAVE YOU ALREADY SPOKEN ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THE ONLY PHOTOGRAPH WE HAVE IS FUZZY.
I, I CAN'T REALLY SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
I CAN'T SEE THE DETAIL ON ANY OF THE, UM, HORSES OR WHATEVER THEY ARE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TO APPROVE THIS.
WE APPROVED IT CONCEPTUALLY THAT A CAROUSEL, POSSIBLY THIS ONE WOULD BE GOOD IN THIS SPOT.
AT THIS POINT, THEY NEED TO CONTACT THE PERSON, WHOEVER THEY ARE, IF THEY WANT TO SELL THIS TO FAIR PARK, THEY NEED TO GET US A, A PROPER DRAWING SPEC SHEET.
SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO AN ARTIST AND THEY CAN PAINT AT THE COLORS WE WANT.
I THINK THIS IS THE BLANK CHECK.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THE CAROUSEL LOOKS LIKE 'CAUSE IT'S VERY FUZZY ON THE SCREEN.
UM, WHETHER THERE'S SOME LITTLE YELLOW CHARACTERS, WHAT ARE THOSE THERE? I SEE TWO SEAHORSE THAN A YELLOW THING.
ARE THOSE MORE SEAHORSES OR? I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO, TO APPROVE THIS TODAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM EVERYBODY YET.
COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? UH, JUST AS AN ADDITIONAL ITEM, A BEST CASE SCENARIO I THINK WOULD BE TO HAVE A SMALL MOCKUP.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE PANEL OR HAVE, UH, ONE OF THE HORSES, UH, AND HAVE IT PAINTED THE WAY IT WILL ACTUALLY BE SHOWN SO THAT WAY PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY EVALUATE IT AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, APPROVABLE YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT UNTIL HE ORDERS IT AND HE'S NOT GONNA ORDER IT WITH, WITH THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION.
SO I, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR, SORRY, I BROKE THAT UP THERE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RISK IN GOING ON AHEAD AND IMPROVING THIS TODAY.
THEY, THEY CARRY ALL OF THE RISK THEMSELVES.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE ISN'T, UM, AN OBJECTION TO A CAROUSEL.
I THINK THE SUBJECT MATTER OF IT MAKES SENSE BASED ON ITS CONNECTION TO THE AQUARIUM.
I, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY WORRIED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING REALISTIC COLORS.
I, I KNOW I, WHEN I'M, I'VE GOT A GREAT PICTURE OF ONE OF MY KIDDOS ON A PURPLE HORSE ON A CAROUSEL, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THIS IS AN APPROVAL THAT'S NEEDED AS A PART OF THE PROCESS TO PROVIDE THE, UM, APPEARANCE WITH THE COLORS FOR THE APPROVAL, BUT STILL ISN'T ANY RISK, UM, TO THE COMMISSION NECESSARILY, IF YOU DON'T END UP LIKING IT.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT CARRY ALL THE RISK.
AND IT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH BY NOT PROVIDING THEM, UM, WITH AN APPROVAL BASED ON THE INFORMATION WITHHOLDING ANYTHING EXCEPT THE COLORS, UM, DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, GUARANTEED THEIR ABILITY TO, TO, TO DO THAT.
THERE ISN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE A MECHANISM.
SO TO, I I, I JUST, I DON'T SEE THE, THE POINT IN DENYING IT BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT DONE IN THE,
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IN THE COLORS, SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THEN THAT YOU'RE REALLY JUST DENYING A CAROUSEL.THEY'VE EXPLAINED THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS.
AND IF THAT'S COMPANY SPECIFIC VERSUS ANOTHER ONE THAT CAN BE FOR THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE.
BUT I DON'T, UM, I I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT THAT DENIAL IS MEANS, WHICH IS TO EFFECTIVELY STOP IT IN, ITS IN ITS TRACKS.
'CAUSE HE'S ALREADY EXPLAINED THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
SO I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE, THE DISTRICT IS NECESSARILY HARMED BASED ON THE LOCATION SUBJECT MATTER, ITS INTENTION.
BUT THE LAST LITTLE PIECE IS THE, IS THE COLORS.
AND I, I JUST SEE THIS AS BEING PART OF THE PROCESS AND, AND I ACTUALLY DO FEEL LIKE WE APPROVE STUFF ALL THE TIME ABOUT COLORS OR THERE'LL BE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WANT THEM TO COME BACK WITH.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE.
WE HAVE OCCASIONALLY APPROVED A NEW HOUSE OR SOMETHING, OR REMODEL AND THE, BUT JUST, YOU COULDN'T PAINT IT YET.
WE HADN'T COME AFTER COLORS YET, OR APPROVE THE COLORS, BUT WE DIDN'T APPROVE YOUR NEW DOOR YET, SO YOU CAN'T DO YOUR NEW DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THERE, THERE IS, THERE'S NO PRECEDENT FOR THIS
ANYONE ELSE HAVE A COMMENT OR SOMETHING YOU WANNA SHARE BEFORE WE VOTE? BECAUSE THIS REQUIRES EVERYONE'S VIEWS BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UM, IMAGINE, I MEAN, I GUESS TO, UH, UH, TO COMMISSIONER SP'S POINT, I UNDERSTAND HER POINT OF VIEW EXACTLY.
UH, AND, AND I'M IN LINE WITH HER THINKING AS WELL.
I MEAN, IMAGINE, IF YOU WILL, THIS WOULD, THIS PRESENTATION WOULD'VE BEEN PRESENTED TO US IN BLACK AND WHITE, SO THERE WOULD BE NO COLOR DECISION.
IT'S REALLY JUST SEEING THE, THE PHYSICAL FORM OF IT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME FROM A, FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WOULD THOSE FORMS WITH THAT THREE DIMENSIONAL SHAPES, ARE ANY OF THOSE OBJECTIONABLE BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO ADAPT THE COLORS UNTIL EVERYTHING IS, UM, ACCEPTABLE.
UM, SO THEN BOTTOM LINE, THE QUESTION IS, IS THE FORM FINE? UH, IT'S NOT HISTORICAL.
IT IS MODERN, IT IS, UM, OF THE TIME THAT IT'S BEING INSTALLED.
UM, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, FAIR PARKING IS, IS AN EVOLVING PLACE.
UM, HOWEVER IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONS TO IT ARE, UM, ARE TO BE, UM, UH, ACCOMMODATING.
UM, I'M, I'M GOING TO, UM, SIDE WITH, UH, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER'S POLICY.
I WAS JUST THANKING COMMISSIONER RENO FOR HIS CONTRIBUTION.
UH, I'M ALSO, UH, IN AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE THE CONCEPT OF CAROUSEL IN THE PLACEMENT AND, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS MOVING WITH, UH, MR. ALSTON.
UH, AND THEN, UH, AT THAT POINT WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND, AND I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SP THAT, UH, FAIR PARK FIRST IS TAKING THE RISK.
I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, NOT THAT, UH, THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A, A CAROUSEL THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROVING A CONCEPT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE COLORS AND SO FORTH.
UH, SO I'M NOT GONNA BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT MOTION.
I'D LIKE FOR US TO APPROVE THE CONCEPT OF A CAROUSEL AND THE PLACEMENT AND GO FORTH WITH THAT.
I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER
IF WE APPROVE THEM TO HAVE A CAROUSEL AND THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY ON AN UGLY CAROUSEL AND WE TELL 'EM THEY GOTTA REMOVE IT, WE HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A CA TO FINALIZE IT.
SO THAT DOES SEEM TO BE LIKE NOT A RISK TO US.
IT'S NOT SOME HOMEOWNER THAT WILL EVER FIND AGAIN
IS IT MY TURN? SEE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET A TURN DURING THIS TIME OF CALL.
I KNOW, BUT THERE'S AN IMPORTANT PART HERE.
ISN'T THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE NOT CLOSED? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW, BUT YES.
UM, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
WE DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE ASKED FOR MR. ALSTON AND YOUR UNIQUE PROBLEMS, AND SOME OF US ARE SAYING YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK.
SO MAYBE WE OUGHT LET YOU TAKE THE RISK, BRING THIS CAROUSEL IN, AND THEN IT WILL BE UP TO YOU TO GET A CA SHOWING HOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THIS CAROUSEL ACCEPTABLE.
THEY'RE TELLING US TO CALL THE VOTE NOW.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
I THINK THAT THE MOTION CARRIED, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
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SO, UM, WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.IT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS FOR THE MOTION TO DENY CORRECT.
SO, UM, WE WILL NOW DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, SAY WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO TRY AGAIN.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN AYE.
DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY NAY.
DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN? YES.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR NAY.
COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN, WHAT WAS YOUR VOTE? YES.
AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WAS NO.
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HENO HOSA? NO.
DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER PEL.
DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER GATE? NO.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AYE.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PREZI? NO.
UH, THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
DO, UH, COMMISSIONER RES? WE HAVE FIVE.
SO THAT MEANS THIS MOTION HAS FAILED.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW I NEED A NEW MOTION.
I'D LIKE COMMISSIONER, I'D LIKE TO MAKE WHO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, GO AHEAD.
CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? UM, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE ACTUAL NUMBER FOR THE CASE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THAT CA AND WOULD THAT APPROVAL BE BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOLLOWING THEIR REASONING? CORRECT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION? SECOND BEI COMMISSIONER BEI ACTUALLY DIDN'T TURN HER MICROPHONE ON, BUT SHE DID GET THERE FIRST.
DO WE NEED ANY MORE DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER BEI WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE, IF WE'RE READING THIS PER STEP, THEN THAT UNDERSTANDING, EXCUSE ME, THAT IT'S AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT FINAL COLORS, FINISHES AND AMUSEMENT SIGNAGE WILL COME BACK BEFORE US, BUT NOTHING, UM, ELSEWHERE.
SO IN TERMS OF LOCATION, SIZE, I, UH, SUBJECT MATTER BEING ACRAM OR WHATEVER, ALL OF THAT THEN, SO IT'S, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE THOSE ITEMS AS I UNDERSTAND IT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
LET US CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OPPOSED? OPPOSED.
EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW HOW IT'LL PROBABLY COME OUT, PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? NO, I, DISTRICT TWO.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES.
DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES.
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HOSA? YES.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER NAY.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PREZI? YES.
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UM, AND TO, TO OUR APPLICANT, YOU'LL CONVEY TO OUR APPLICANT.'CAUSE I KNOW OUR SPEAKER'S NOT ACTUALLY OUR APPLICANT.
WE, WE HOPE YOU END UP WITH A LOVELY CAROUSEL.
WE HOPE THAT WE HAVE SET THE PROCESS ON THE WAY FOR THERE TO BE A LOVELY CAROUSEL.
WE WILL HOLD YOU TO OUR EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THE FINAL APPEARANCE OF IT SO THAT WE GET A LOVELY CAROUSEL
ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE TO OUR MOST PRECIOUS, PRECIOUS THING ON THERE.
YOU'LL TELL THEM THAT AND THEY WILL LISTEN TO YOU, RIGHT? YEAH.
NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING DONE BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY ON DISCUSSION ITEM TWO, BUT WE REALLY HAVE GOTTEN A LOT DONE.
ITEM D TWO IS 1001 NORTH CRAWFORD STREET IN THE LAKE CLIFF, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH 2 46 MW.
AND I AM MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS NON HISTORIC WITH ALL SIDE 1700 SERIES VINYL WINDOWS IN BEIGE COLOR.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS NON HISTORIC WITH ALL SIDE 1700 SERIES VINYL WINDOWS IN BEIGE COLOR, BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE NEW WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD INSIDE AND OUT, NO VINYL AND NO CLADDING, AND BE SUBMITTED FOR FINAL STAFF APPROVAL WITH THE FINDING THAT VINYL WINDOWS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AND WOULD CONSTITUTE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PRO PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS NON HISTORIC WITH ALL SIDES 1700 SERIES VINYL WINDOWS IN BEIGE COLOR BE APPROVED.
MANY PRECEDENTS FOR VINYL WINDOWS AND OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE DISTRICT WOOD WINDOWS POSE A LARGE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON APPLICANT NO HISTORIC TAX CREDITS FOR PROPERTY.
UH, WE DO NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN, UH, SWEAR OR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
BARRETT LINDBERGH 60 60 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND WE'LL TELL THE TRUTH.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US ANY INFORMATION YOU WANT TO HAVE ABOUT YOU WANT TO GIVE US ABOUT YOUR REQUEST.
UH, HERE TO REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL FOR OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS AT 1,001 NORTH CRAWFORD WITH, UH, VINYL WINDOWS IN BEIGE COLOR.
UH, IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHOUT A PROTECTED FACADE.
AND OUR PROPOSED VINYL WINDOWS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC OVERLAY.
UH, SIMILAR VINYL WINDOWS CAN BE FOUND ON AT LEAST 10 PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THOSE ARE IN OUR SUBMISSION PACKAGE.
NOTABLY, UH, CITY STAFFER MELISSA PARENT HAS SUPPORTED THE APPROVAL, UH, OF VINYL WINDOWS AT 6 0 6 AND 7 0 7 NORTH MARLIS IN 2021 AND 2022.
AND CITY STAFFER CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI SUPPORTED THE SAME CHANGE IN 2022 AND 2023 ON 5 0 1 AND FIVE 15 NORTH MARLIS.
THESE WERE ALL SIMILARLY SIZED NON-CONTRIBUTING MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN OUR SUBMISSION PACKAGE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE EXPLICITLY SUPPORTS THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, OFTENTIMES WE'RE AS DEVELOPERS AT ODDS WITH THE CI WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE, BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY RECOGNIZE THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE VINYL WINDOWS WITH OTHER PROJECTS AND THE HISTORIC OVERLAY.
OVERALL, THE DALLAS CODE STATES THAT FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST GRANT THE APPLICATION IF THE PROPOSED WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
BY APPROVING OUR REQUESTS, YOU WILL FOLLOW THE HISTORIC OVERLAY IN THE DALLAS CODE, ENCOURAGING OUR CONTINUED INVESTMENT AND OTHERS CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN IN OVERALL CITY HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
IF YOU CANNOT APPROVE OUR REQUEST OVERRIDE, WE RE WE REQUEST THAT, UH, YOU DENY THE APPLICATION RATHER THAN, UH, APPROVING IT WITH CONDITIONS, ALLOWING US TO APPEAL IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, CITY STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS AND, UH, WE WOULD REQUEST EITHER AN APPROVAL OR A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, UH, I HOPE FOR YOUR SUPPORT TODAY.
UM, NOW IT IS TIME FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS OF BOTH YOU AND STAFF COMMISSIONERS BEI IN REGARDS TO THE DISCUSSION, UM, THAT OCCURRED AT THE TASK FORCE.
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IT, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS, UM, UH, A AROUND THE, THE COST, THE CREATION OF THE FINANCIAL BURDEN, THE FACT THAT, UM, A HISTORIC TAX CREDIT ISN'T AVAILABLE FOR THE PROPERTY OR THINGS LIKE THAT.AND I THOUGHT YOU MADE REFERENCE TO THAT BEING INCLUDED WITHIN THE PACKET, BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY SEE ANYTHING THAT, UM, THAT IS LISTED IN THERE LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN A, A COUPLE OF OUR OTHER COMMERCIAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US.
UM, SO WOOD WINDOWS WOULD COST ABOUT $25,000 MORE THAN THE PROPOSED VINYL WINDOWS.
AND BECAUSE THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY, UM, THERE ARE NO TAX CREDITS AT THE FEDERAL OR STATE LEVEL OR PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS AVAILABLE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AVAILABLE, UH, IF WE WERE TO NEED TO USE ANY TYPE OF MORE EXPENSIVE MATERIAL.
AND HOW DOES THAT, UH, RELATE IN REGARDS TO PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR THE PROJECT? UM, IT IS A, AN INCREASE, IT'S A MATERIAL INCREASE.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION DOES UNDERSTAND, UNLESS THIS IS A, UH, DEMOLITION, UH, FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, WE'RE THE COMMISSION'S NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS MONEY? I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UM, AND AT LEAST TWO THAT I COULD THINK OF RESIDENTIAL ONES, WHICH WE, UM, ABSOLUTELY HAD THESE, THESE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
SO MAY HAVE BEEN DONE IN ERROR IN THE PAST, BUT, UM, BUT NOBODY STOPPED THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT DAY.
SO YEAH, AND I THINK IT WAS MY FAULT THAT I BROUGHT IT UP.
AND THE ONLY REASON BRINGING IT UP WAS JUST, UH, THERE ARE CITY INCENTIVES AVAILABLE FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND THERE ARE NO INCENTIVES AVAILABLE FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLORE THE OPTION OF BECOMING A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY SO YOU COULD GET THOSE TAX INCENTIVES? WELL, I THINK EXPLICITLY IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY WHEN IT WAS DRAWN UP IN THE 1980S, THAT THIS PROPERTY, 1001 NORTH CRAWFORD, UH, IS EXPLICITLY NON-CONTRIBUTING.
AND IT MIGHT BE FOREVER NON-CONTRIBUTING, BUT IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE WE COULD LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE THAT IT IN SOME WAY MET THAT CRITERIA TO BECOME A, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
I'M NOT SAYING WE, WE WOULD FIND THAT TO BE TRUE IN THIS CASE, BUT IF WE WOULD TRY, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO US TRYING TO, WELL, NUMBER ONE, I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE LATE SINCE WE'VE ALREADY STARTED CONSTRUCTION, BUT NUMBER TWO, PRIOR TO STARTING CONSTRUCTION, WE LOOKED INTO, UH, HAVING THIS PROPERTY ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER THAT WE'VE DONE ADDED TO THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER.
AND IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING REMARKABLE ABOUT IT.
SO THEY, THEY DID NOT THINK THAT IT QUALIFIED.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER PRES, YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON? YES.
UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, WILL THE PROPOSED WINDOWS FILL THE ENTIRE OPENING OR WILL THERE BE ANY BLOCKING TO FILL THE OPENING WITH THE WINDOWS YOU'VE CHOSEN? THEY'LL FILL THE ENTIRE OPENING.
SO ARE THESE CUSTOM WINDOWS THEN, OR ARE THESE STANDARD WINDOWS THAT ACTUALLY FIT THE OPENING SIZE? THEY'RE CUSTOM, CUSTOM WINDOWS.
UM, I WANTED FOR THE RECORD TO BRING UP THE, UM, THE EXAMPLES THAT WERE IN THE, UM, UH, IN OUR PACKAGE THAT ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THERE WERE MAYBE THREE DIFFERENT PROFILES FOR THE, FOR THE SASHES OF THE, OR THE FRAMES OF THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES.
I, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THOSE UP SO THAT WE COULD SEE THEM.
THE, I, I THOUGHT I REMEMBER ONE THAT HAD A PROFILE THAT WAS VERY WOOD-LIKE WOULD, UH, IN TERMS OF ITS SECTION.
UH, BUT I WANTED EVERYBODY TO, TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND, AND APPRECIATE THE, THE DETAIL.
IS THIS THE PAGE YOU'RE REFERRING TO? THERE WAS A THREE DIMENSIONAL PICTURE THAT SHOWED WHAT THE FRAME ACTUALLY YEP.
THE WAY IT'S SHAPED, IT'S PAGE 2 0 1.
YEAH, THAT I BELIEVE YOU JUST PASSED IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME PAGE NUMBERS, IS IT'S, UH, YOU JUST PASSED IT.
IT'S A, IT'S A SPECIFICATION SHEET.
GONNA GO BACK ABOUT SIX PAGES, UM, MAYBE 16 OR 17.
SO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PROFILES.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WITH 1700 SERIES.
I CAN'T QUITE READ THE NUMBERS, BUT IT, IT APPEARS HUNDRED IS THE FIRST ONE.
IT APPEARS THAT THE MIDDLE SECTION IS
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A BIT MORE WOOD LIKE.UM, I DO SEE THAT IT HAS A, A, A WIDE SORT OF FLAT PIECE.
BUT AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY, IF THAT MIGHT BE, UH, A REASONABLE, UH, UH, ALTERNATE, WE CAN CERTAINLY PRICE, YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY PRICE IT OUT.
UM, TO, TO CLARIFY WITH THE APPLICANT, IF, UM, IF IT WAS THE OPINION OF THIS BODY THAT WE THOUGHT THAT ONE WOULD SUFFICE, WOULD YOU ACCEPT, UM, AGREEING TO GO WITH THAT ONE TODAY? UH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER AS FAR AS PRICE OR AVAILABILITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS HERE.
NO QUESTIONS AT HOME? WELL, IN THAT CASE, IT'S TIME FOR A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER REYES, NOT EVERYONE, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ASSISTING IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 3 4 2 4 6 MW.
I MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE REQUEST WITH, IT'S A REQUEST THAT, UH, THIS GENTLEMAN HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK ON THE PRICES OF THE OTHER WINDOWS.
NORMALLY WE NEED THE END OF IT TO BE KIND OF ABOUT WHY NOT THAT? WHY THE OTHER, WHY
THAT'S WHY SHE WROTE IT FOR A SEGMENT THOUGH.
COMMISSIONER GAY FOR YOUR SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? YEAH, WE'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I THINK WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IS SUFFICIENT IN MY OPINION.
ANYONE ELSE WITH A COMMENT THEN IT IS TIME FOR US TO VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO ONCE AGAIN WE'LL DO THE ROLL CALL JUST FOR TEXAS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE NOT MADE A MISTAKE.
MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE STANDARD IS WHETHER OR NOT THESE WINDOWS AS PRESENTED THE VINYL WINDOWS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE WE CAN'T GET INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS OR IF IT'S COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE PROJECT.
WHETHER OR NOT THIS WORK, THE PROPOSED WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT IS WHY WE REDID THE ORIGINAL POSITION.
SO AS WE ARE VOTING ON THE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS, OKAY, LET US HAVE OUR ROLL CALL VOTE NOW.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN AYE.
DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY? YES.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, YOU'RE ON MUTE.
ARE YOU'RE VOTING? UH, ON, ON THE, UM,
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THE MOTION? JUST THAT WE JUST MADE IT WAS A AYE.DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER ETT? YES.
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA? NO.
COMMISSIONER RENO? NO, YOU'RE MUTED TOO.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER NAY.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER POSI.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
EIGHT OUT OF 13? YES, IT SAYS YES.
THEREFORE, THIS MOTION CARRIES.
THEREFORE, THIS APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WHICH HE DID REQUEST.
AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT I BELIEVE IS AWARE OF THE APPEAL PROCESS AND PERHAPS WILL CHOOSE TO PURSUE THAT.
STAFF CAN HELP WITH ANY ISSUES ABOUT THAT.
WE WOULD RATHER WANT THAT THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT IDEA THAT WE COULD SUPPORT BUT THE APPLICANT, UM, WILL DECIDE FOR HIMSELF WHETHER HE WISHES TO DO.
OKAY, NOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, SWISS AVENUE.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF DIS.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 55 21 SWISS AVENUE, SWISS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 2 5 6 CM.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLOR OF MAIN STRUCTURE FOR ALL WOOD TRIM TO SHERWIN WILLIAMS IRON ORE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE PAINT COLOR OF MAIN STRUCTURE FOR ALL WOOD TRIM TO SHERWIN WILLIAMS IRON ORE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE AS THE COLOR IRON ORE IS NOT HISTORICALLY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE FEDERAL COLONIAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND IS NOT COMPLIMENTARY TO THE CHARACTER OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION ONE P DASH 63 1 16 1 8 ROMAN THREE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE THE PAINT COLOR OF MAIN STRUCTURE FOR ALL WOOD TRIM TO SHERMAN WILLIAMS IRON, IRON ORE VIA APPROVED.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED.
HE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT DIDN'T MAKE A REGISTRATION TIME THIS MORNING.
SO THEY, UH, WERE NOT ALERTED OF THE REGISTER AND THEY WERE, DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GIVE HER OFF.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? I, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS VERY DARK, ALMOST BLACK COLOR WILL KIND OF CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING AND, UM, MAYBE NULLIFY SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS? UM, I DO THAT.
AND NOT JUST ME, WE AS STAFF, UM, WE DISCUSSED IT AND IT'S JUST, I CAN SEE THE EXAMPLES IN THE DOCKET AND HOW IT DOES LOOK OKAY WITH THOSE OTHER STYLE HOUSES.
BUT THIS ONE HAS QUITE A BIT OF TRIM ON IT.
I THINK IT WOULD LOOK, IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE A DARK, BUT I THINK IT WOULD HIDE FEATURES MYSELF.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT, BECAUSE IT'S UH, YOU KNOW, A COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE, WE DID PULL OUT FOR JIM MCALLISTER AND WE DID YEAH.
AND MOST OF THOSE, UM, IT SEEMS THAT THE, UM, PREVAILING PAINT COLORS IS, IT'S A LIGHTER COLOR USED FOR THE COLONIAL REVIVAL FEDERAL STYLE, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD.
I MEAN, BEING THAT I DID LIVE ON CAPE COD AND WORKED ON THE VINEYARD, SO I'VE SEEN, BUT IT WAS PREDOMINANTLY WHITE FOR THOSE TYPE OF, UH, THAT STYLE.
I'M READY TO THANK A MOTION AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WISHES TO
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ASK THE QUESTION? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.UM, IF SOMEONE WERE TO MAKE A MOTION AS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WOULD IT BE WISE TO INSERT THE WORDS, UM, IRON OR ON ALL WOOD TRIM? SO IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE COLOR, IT'S THE APPLICATION OF THAT COLOR ONTO ALL THE WOOD TRIM IS, UM, THE, THE RATIONALE THAT GOES ON THE CA WHAT YOU SEE HERE GOES ON THE CA EVERYTHING THAT SAID, AS FAR AS CONTAIN ALL WOOD, IT WILL GO ON A CA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A NOTE JUST TO BE CLEAR.
UM, SO THE SOFFITS ARE INCLUDED.
THE, THE FLAT SOFFITS ARE INCLUDED WITH IN THE IRON ORE COLOR.
THEY, THEY DID SAY ALL WOOD TRIM.
THEY, THEY WANT TO PAINT EVERY PIECE OF WOOD TRIM OTHER THAN THE, THE STONE, UH, LENTIL.
SORRY, I'M ABOUT TO SNEEZE, SO I'M TRYING VERY FAR NOT TO, SORRY.
SO CHRISTINA, I GUESS, UH, TO FOLLOW ALONG THOSE LINES, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE, ALL THE GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS AS WELL? SO EVERY LAST DETAIL THAT'S NOT BRICK OR STONE OR ROOF? YES, BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY, I BELIEVE, UH, WE APPROVED THE WE BACK PORCH WHEN, UH, THE BACK PORCH CAME HERE TO LANDMARK.
IT WAS APPROVED AND IT HAS IRON ORE ACCENTS IN THE REAR, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO ULTIMATELY IS MATCH EVERYTHING ON THE HOUSE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT COLOR COMES FROM, WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE BACK PORCH.
UM, SO THEY JUST WANNA CARRY IT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EXTERIOR.
I BELIEVE WE HAD A MOTION READY TO GO.
IN THE CASE OF 55 21 SWISS AVENUE CA 2 34 DASH 2 56 CM.
I MOVE DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND MAKING NOTE THAT IT SAYS ALL WOOD TRIM ON THE STRUCTURE BE PAINTED.
IRON ORE IS PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THE PAINT COLOR IS CONTEMPORARY AND NOT APPROPRIATE TO THIS STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WILL BE OBSCURED BY THIS VERY DARK COLOR.
WHO WAS THE SECOND COMMISSIONER? REEDS SECOND.
ANY COMMENT FURTHER BEFORE WE VOTE? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT IS IN OPPOSITION.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS EVERYONE WHO WAS IN OPPOSITION, AND THEREFORE THE MOTION HAS CARRIED AND STAFF WILL DO THEIR DUTY AND, AND DISCUSS WITH THE, UM, ANNUAL STAFF.
THE STAFF THAT SNEEZES A LOT WILL DO OUR DUTY AND DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT THEIR OPTIONS GOING FORWARD ABOUT APPEALS AND TALKING TO US.
WE HAVE ONLY TWO MORE AND THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NOT TAKEN A BREAK, SHALL WE PUSH ON THROUGH? OH, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER.
WOULD IT BE OKAY WITH YOU IF WE TOOK A LITTLE BREAK? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO STAY HERE THE WHOLE TIME AND WE'VE BEEN DRINKING
JUST RUN TO THE BATHROOM AND BACK.
SO IT IS THREE 16, WE'LL BE BACK AT 3 21.
SO NO CHITCHATTING, JUST NECESSITIES.
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OH YEAH, WE GOT, WE'VE GOT ABOUT NINE I BEFORE AN HOUR BEFORE THE, YES.[02:20:20]
CALLING THE MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION BACK INTO SESSION AT 3 23.
NEXT UP IS DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS, UM, ON BOSWELL STREET.
UH, STAFF WILL PLEASE READ INTO THE RECORD WHAT THEY NEED TO READ.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM D FOUR AT, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1 2, 2 3, OR 1223 BOSWELL STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CD 2 3 4 DASH 0 0 7 RFD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING USING THE STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
UNAUTHORIZED WORK STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING USING THE STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED WITH THE FINDING THAT THE WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION H FOUR C TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH A MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING USING THE STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE PROPERTY OWNER MUST REPLACE EXISTING BUILDING WITH NEW APPROPRIATE CONSTRUCTION.
TWO, PROPERTY OWNER MUST REPURPOSE, REUSE REMAINING BUILDING MATERIALS FROM THE LEGAL, DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THREE PROPERTY OWNER MUST DONATE $20,000 TO THE DEPARTMENTAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUND EARMARKED FOR 10TH STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
AND BEFORE OUR SPEAKER YOU CAN COME ON FORWARD, BUT I WAS ASKED TO READ SOMETHING.
UM, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN STATES THAT SHE HAD TO LEAVE AT THREE 20 AND THAT WAS BEYOND THE 50% MARK.
SO SHE WAS, SHE WAS HERE PLENTY LONG AND, AND CONTRIBUTED WELL.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE AND THAT IS TEME COHEN.
UH, YOU, I DUNNO IF YOU SAW ANYBODY ELSE DO THIS YET.
UH, YOU NEED TO START BY TELLING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
AND, UM, MY ADDRESS IS 58 12 ROSS AVENUE HERE TO TELL THE TRUTH, BUT ONLY THE TRUTH.
OH, YOU WON'T TELL US ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, TO GIVE US SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR REQUEST HERE.
IF YOU HEARD THE BRIEFING, YOU KNOW THAT SOME OF US ARE KIND OF WONDERING HOW IT CAME TO BE THAT THIS HAPPENED, BUT, UM, WHATEVER YOU WISH TO TELL US, PLEASE DO SO AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
SO THIS IS NOT, UH, THE FIRST TIME WE BOUGHT A PROPERTY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I'M AN INVESTOR, UH, YOUNG AS YOU CAN SEE.
UH, AND AS WE BOUGHT THIS ONE, WE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CHRISTINA ON LAKE CLIFF, UH, HOUSE, AND THAT WENT REALLY WELL.
AND THEN WHEN WE GOT THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE PROPERTY IS BEING, YOU KNOW, ALL GOOD AND EVERYTHING.
AND WHEN WE START WORKING ON IT, WE SAW EVERYTHING IS BURNT, UH, LIKE REALLY SEVERE BURNS.
NOW, UH, AS WE, UH, WERE PURSUING THIS GOING LIKE OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CITY OF, CITY OF DALLAS, STANDARDS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, I STARTED WORKING WITH
UH, WE TOOK OUT A CA UH, AND WE DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH ALL OF WHAT WE WOULDN'T, WHAT WE, UH, HAD TO DO.
SO, UH, I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS WE, UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO REPAIR THE HOUSE, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY THE, THE FIRE DAMAGE WAS SO SEVERE THAT THE CONTRACTORS JUST PULLED ALL THE BURNT STUFF OUT.
SO THEY BASICALLY TOOK HALF OF THE HOUSE OF THE RARE PART OF THE HOUSE.
UH, AND WHAT WE HAD APPROVED WAS A CA INCLUDING A RARE ADDITION.
AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS BASICALLY A TORN HOUSE.
UH, THAT IS BASICALLY, UH, IT, IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING
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WE CAN REPAIR, UH, OR WOULD BE VERY HARD TO, AND IT, IT IS OPPOSING A, A THREAT, UH, TO THE PUBLIC.SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, GET A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH IT AND RECONSTRUCT, UH, RECONSTRUCT A NEW, UH, HOUSE THAT WOULD BE IDENTICAL TO THE OLD ONE.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND SORRY I READ YOUR NAME WRONG.
YOUR R LOOKS LIKE A T ON HERE, SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO START BY ASKING IF IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER REBUILDING THE HOUSE EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS GONNA END UP, ACCORDING TO YOUR LAST CA THAT IS REBUILDING ALL THE PARTS THAT FELL OFF THAT YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO SAVE, AND THEN THE ADDITION EXACTLY THE WAY YOU ASKED FOR IT FIRST.
AND WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DID EVERYBODY HAVE? I'M SURE YOU HAVE LOTS OF COMMISSIONER PREZI.
SO ARE THERE ANY SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS LEFT FROM THE FIRE? I MEAN, I SEE, OR FROM THE FIRE DAMAGE.
I SEE THERE'S SOME PIECES LEFT ON THE GROUND THERE FROM THE PHOTOS.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN SALVAGE OUT OF THAT TO REUSE? UM, MAYBE SOME PARTS OF THE PORCH.
I MAY, MAYBE, I WOULD SAY I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO SPECIFICALLY WHAT PART OF THE APPROACH WOULD BE SALVAGEABLE, BUT, UH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY USE THE ONE 17 SMART SIDING, NOT, I'M SORRY, NOT SMART SIDING, I'M SORRY.
UH, THE ONE 17 DROP SIDING, UH, AND ALL THE WOOD WINDOWS AND THE OTHER, UH, COMPATIBLE, UH, MATERIALS.
UM, AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS, UH, FOR THE PREVIOUS CA ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ONLINE? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.
THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
OH, UM, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH DOCUMENTATION OF THE EXISTING PREEXISTING HOME BEFORE THE DAMAGE TO BE ABLE TO REBUILD THE HOUSE THE WAY IT WAS, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT IT'S IN NOW? UM, CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPHRASE THAT PLEASE? SINCE THE HOUSE HAS PARTIALLY COLLAPSED AND THE IDEA THAT WE ASKED YOU, COULD YOU REBUILD THIS HOME THE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IT WAS, DO YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? LENGTH, DIMENSIONS, HEIGHTS, WALLS, WINDOW, LOCATIONS, DOOR LOCATIONS? OKAY.
SO I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE, UH, A LOT OF IT, BUT MANY OF IT WAS, WAS, UH, POST THE, THE FIRE.
SO A LOT OF WINDOWS WERE BLOCKED, AND THAT'S WHEN WE TOOK THE PICTURES, UH, I WOULD SAY ONE YEAR BACK ALMOST.
UM, SO IN SOME SORT, YES, I, I BELIEVE WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND, AND TOUCH THOSE PICTURES.
UH, HOW, UH, HOWEVER, THE ADDITION DOES INCLUDE, UH, A LITTLE, LIKE A LITTLE RARE ADDITION, WHICH EXTENDS THE HOUSE TO THE RARE PART OF THE, OF THE, OF THE LOT.
UM, AND THAT INCLUDES, I WOULD SAY ANOTHER ONE.
WINDOW COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, IF I MAY, UH, WE DO IN OUR FILES, HAVE SOME, SOME PICTURES.
I'VE GOT A, UH, FROM 2009 I HAVE A FRONT, UH, ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.
ME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT LOOK, IT'S, UH, IF I CAN, IF IT'LL LET ME SHARE, I'LL SHOW YOU THE PHOTOGRAPH AGAIN.
AND, AND WE MAY HAVE MORE PICTURES, UM, BECAUSE I JUST SCANNED IN.
THIS IS THE, UM, THE BUILDING FROM 2009.
SO WHAT, AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS IF, IF THERE WAS A PATHWAY FOR A DEMOLITION WHERE YOU WERE GOING TO REBUILD THIS HOME, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THESE ELEVATED ELEVATIONS AND PLANS OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSED TO BUILDING SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT ANOTHER ACCIDENT DOESN'T HAPPEN OR WE'RE ACCURATELY GOING TO GET, UM, UH, APPROVE A CA.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED AND WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT.
MS. COMMISSIONER RENO, I HAVE A QUESTION
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FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.SO IF ONE OF US WERE TO MAKE A PRO A, UH, A MOTION AND, UH, AGREE WITH STAFF, BUT INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS THAT, UM, THAT THE, UH, OH HECK, I FORGET THE NAME, UM, THE TASK FORCE IS RECOMMENDING IS THERE A LEGALITY FOR THE THIRD, UH, POINT THAT THEY MADE, UH, CONTRIBUTION AT 20,000 TO, UH, UH, 10TH STREET FUND? THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT TASK FORCE INCLUDED ARE INAPPROPRIATE WITH THIS, UM, APPLIC WITH THIS REQUEST BECAUSE THE CODE STATES THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST DENY APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH OR REMOVE A STRUCTURE THAT POSES AN IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY UNLESS IT FINDS THAT ONE, THE STRUCTURE CONSTITUTES A DOCUMENTED MAJOR AND IMMINENT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, TWO OF THE DEMOLITION OR REMOVALS REQUIRED TO ALLEVIATE THE THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
AND THREE, THERE'S NO REASONABLE WAY OTHER THAN DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL TO ELIMINATE THREAT IN TIMELY MANNER.
SO YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A THREAT TO IMMINENT, UM, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
SO IT'S TO REMOVE THE BUILDING OR NOT TO REMOVE THE BUILDING BASED OFF OF THOSE THREE CRITERIA.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE NEEDS TO BUILD BECAUSE THAT CAN'T BE PART OF THIS REQUEST.
THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING IF HE USED A DIFFERENT STANDARD, WHICH IS TO REPLACE A STRUCTURE WITH A NEW STRUCTURE IN WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A CA BEFORE, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS STANDARD.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS TO DEMOLISH IT OR NOT TO DEMOLISH IT WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS.
THAT CAN BE PART OF YOUR COMMENTS AFTER SAYING, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO, IF YOU ARE DEMOLISHING THAT, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE DEMOLITION.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO REBUILD, YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS THAT THEY, THEY SHOULD USE ANY SALVAGEABLE MATERIAL THAT THEY CAN AND THAT THEY CONSTRUCT BASED OFF WHAT IT WAS.
BUT THAT CAN'T BE A CONDITION.
COMM COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE HOUSE, YOU CAN GO BACK TO, UM, UH, THE, THE CAL, WHAT DO YOU CALL, UM, STREET VIEW AND YOU CAN GO TO THE HISTOR HISTORICAL AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE AROUND AND SEE THE SIDE.
SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT.
COULD THIS READ INTO THE RECORD WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN BRIEFING ABOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION AND, UH, RECONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT IS AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION CAN GET ONE IN MAYBE OUT A QUESTION I JUST WANNA MAKE, UH, SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHICH PART YOU WANT.
YOU WANT THE, THE STATE, THE PART THAT SPOKE TO THE STATE LAW.
UM, SO UNDER ENFORCEMENT AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES, A PERSON IS CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION.
UH, AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO SAY, UH, OWNS PART OF ALL THE PROPERTY AND KNOWINGLY ALLOWS A VIOLATION TO EXIST, THEN IT GOES DOWN.
ANY PERSON WHO ADVERSELY AFFECTS OR DEMOLISHES A STRUCTURE ON A PROPERTY SUBJECT TO PRE-DESIGN DESIGNATION MORATORIUM OR IN A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT IN VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION, IS LIABLE PURSUANT TO LOCAL, UH, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 3 1 5 0.006 FOR DAMAGES TO RESTORE REP OR REPLICATE USING AS MANY ORIGINAL MATERIALS AS POSSIBLE.
THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, TO ITS APPEARANCE AND SETTING PRIOR TO THE VIOLATION THAT IS UNDER, UM, THE ENABLING ORDINANCE, UH, THAT IS N ENFORCEMENT AND CRIMINAL PE PENALTIES, UH, NUMBER TWO OF SECTION 51 A FOR 51 A.
THANK YOU THERESA, FOR MAKING SURE WE KEEP OUR LAWYER LEAVE VOICE IN HERE INSTEAD OF GETTING IT WRONG.
WAS THERE SOMETHING MORE YOU WISH TO DO WITH THAT, MR. ANDERSON? OKAY, LET'S DOUBLE CHECK.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION THEY'D LIKE TO ASK BEFORE WE MOVE TO TAKING MOTION? I JUST HAD ONE MORE THING.
THIS IS WHAT THE INITIAL CA CONTAINED FOR THE HOME.
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TO RENOVATE THE FRONT PART AND THEN ADD WHERE YOU SEE THE, UH, CONCRETE TOWARD THE REAR, ADD THAT AS AN ADDITION.SO HE STILL INTENDS TO RECONSTRUCT WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, IF THAT HELPS.
UM, IN CASE CD 2 3 4 DASH 0 0 7 RD 1 2 2 3 BOSWELL STREET.
I MOVE TO DENY WITHOUT PRESSURE THIS DEMOLITION, IT WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUEST.
APPLICANT RESUBMIT DEMOLITION WITH AN APPLICATION TO REBUILD THE STRUCTURE, UM, WHICH IS WOULD BE THE, UM, NEW CONS.
THE NEW BILLING IS MORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE IN THE OLD.
UM, AND THEN I NEED TO ADD THE, THE DALLAS OF AM CODE INFORMATION, IF YOU CAN GIVE THAT TO ME AGAIN.
MADAM CHAIR, IS THERE A MOTION MADE OR NOT? UH, THE MAKER IS CONFERRING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THE DETAILS OF HOW TO PROPERLY WORD THE MOTION.
I, UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND, UM, OUR ATTORNEY HAVE, HAVE YOU WORKED OUT A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS MOTION? SO THE MOTION SHOULD BE BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE, THE I I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPRESSED IS THE CONDITION THAT, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER REALIZED THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY WAS WORSE THAN HE THOUGHT IS MY AS, AM I PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, SIR? UH, I WOULD SAY IT WA IT WASN'T UP TO ME.
IT WAS THE DEMOLITION CREW FOR WHAT WAS BURNT.
RIGHT? AND SO AT THAT POINT, TECHNICALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHEN THE DEMOLITION CREW DECIDED THAT IT WAS TOOK OUT MORE THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE, INSTEAD OF GIVING THE PROPERTY OWNER THE OPTION TO COME IN AND TALK WITH CITY STAFF, THAT THEREIN LIES SOME OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE SITUATION.
BUT AT THAT POINT WITH KNOWING HOW BAD THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY WAS, IT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION THEN WOULD REVIEW IT UNDER EMINENT THREAT BECAUSE OF THE FIRE THAT HAD OCCURRED IN IT.
WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT POSTED AS IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DENY IT BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU THINK.
IT DOESN'T MEET IN THE STANDARD.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE STRUCTURE NO LONGER CONSTITUTES A DOCUMENTED MAJOR THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
'CAUSE THE BILLING HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED.
WE, WE, BECAUSE, OKAY, LET ME ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IS THERE WAY THIS CAN BE DE UM, DENIED TODAY? IF THERE'S NOT, THEN IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER REASONABLE WAY OTHER THAN DEMOLITION TO ELIMINATE THE THREAT IN A TIMELY MANNER, YOU CAN DENY IT OR YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT DEMOLITION IS REQUIRED TO ALLEVIATE THE THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH
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AND SAFETY.SO IF YOU THINK ONE OF THOSE TWO, THEN YOU CAN DENY IT.
HOWEVER, IF THERE IS NO OTHER REASONABLE WAY TO ALLEVIATE, TO ELIMINATE THE THREAT AND THE THE DEMOLITION IS REQUIRED TO ALLEVIATE THE THREAT, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IN THE DOCKET THERE'S ALREADY DOCUMENTED, IT'S, IT'S DOCUMENTED THAT THIS IS A MAJOR AND IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
BUT THAT THREAT'S GONE BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS GONE.
I THINK PERHAPS WE SHOULD ALL LOOK AT THE FOUR PICTURES PROVIDED OF THE CURRENT CONDITION.
IF YOU BLOW 'EM UP A LITTLE BIT, THEY GET FLURRY.
BUT YOU CAN KIND OF TRY TO SEE WHETHER IT APPEARS TO BE A DANGER.
AND REMEMBER, ANY, ANY CA TWO TO REBUILD OR REPAIR REBUILD WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION SO THAT IT WOULD BE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REBUILD OR TO CONSTRUCT NEW THE, THE STRUCTURE.
I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TYING THIS ON TIMELY DEMOLITION TO THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE USING THE DIFFERENT STANDARD, WHICH I'M TRYING TO GET US TO DO.
I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT IF WE DENY THIS, WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THIS GENTLEMAN COMES BACK AND BUILDS IT.
HE SAYS HE'S, HE'S GOT GOOD INTENTIONS TODAY, BUT HE COULD COME BACK TOMORROW AND SAY, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
THAT IS ACCURATE THAT WE CANNOT IMPOSE A REQUIREMENT TO REBUILD A HOUSE.
AND WE KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE OF 10TH STREET DO NOT WANT ANOTHER EMPTY LOT.
THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THAT TO US REPEATEDLY AT VARIOUS TIMES.
BUT IT APPEARS THAT LEGALLY ALL WE CAN DO IS EITHER PROVE THE DEMOLITION OR DENY IT.
WE CAN'T SAY WHAT YOU DO NEXT.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT, WE JUST DON'T, WE CAN'T, AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DENY THE DEMOLITION IS IF WE THINK THIS IS NOT DANGEROUS.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE PAGE SHE'S SHOWING YOU ON YOUR DOCKET AND BLOW THEM UP, WE LOOK AT IT AND WE SEE IF WE THINK IT COULD BE DANGEROUS.
THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE KIND OF HANGING ABOVE PLACES WHERE AN INCAUTIOUS, I MIGHT SAY FOOLISH PERSON MIGHT STAND AND THEN THE BUILDING WOULD FALL UPON THEM.
AND THAT WOULD BE DANGERS, BUT ALSO IT'S ALSO FENCED IN.
AND I WISH I COULD BE CERTAIN THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE.
WE HAVE SOMETIMES CHALLENGED PEOPLE WHO CAME IN AND SAID IT'S A DANGER, BUT THIS DOES LOOK KIND OF SCARY.
SO THAT'S FOR US TO THINK ABOUT.
COMMISSIONER GAY WOULD LIKE TO INTERJECT SOMETHING.
CHAIR, UH, JUST WANNA INTERJECT.
THERE IS A LETTER IN THE PACKET FROM ART TO BUILD LLC, UM, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE FENCE, UM, BEING IN THERE.
AND THEN IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE, THE, THE DANGERS OF THE PILE OF FIRE DAMAGE.
DEBRIS CAN STILL HAVE HIDDEN TOXIC MATERIALS THAT CAN BE WIND SWEPT OR CARRIED AWAY BY RAIN TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND POTENTIAL HEALTH HAZARDS.
SO THERE ARE FINDINGS WITHIN THE PACKET THAT I BELIEVE MEET THE CRITERIA, UM, FOR IMMEDIATE, UH, HEALTH CONCERNS FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE OCCASIONALLY QUESTIONED WHETHER THE PERSON WHO CHIMED IN ON THAT WAS FAMILIAR WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURES, BUT THAT'S USUALLY WHEN THE STRUCTURE'S JUST LEANING AND THEY SAY, MY GOSH, IT'S ABOUT TO FALL OVER.
AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, HAS PUSHED BACK UP THIS, THIS UNFORTUNATELY.
AND I'M NOT HAPPY THIS HAPPENED AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S OKAY THAT IT HAPPENED, BUT WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
I THINK A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE AND STAFF HAVE A THOUGHT.
AND COMMISSIONER REEVES HAS A THOUGHT.
ARE YOU READY TO GO FIRST? OR COMMISSIONER REEVES? ADRIAN, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO WHAT SHE PERSONALLY HAS SEEN.
RIGHT? UH, I DID JUST WANT TO MENTION BECAUSE ON MY INSPECTIONS OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN FREQUENTLY LIKE CHAIRS AND SIGNS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SQUATTING AT THIS PROPERTY EVEN AFTER THE BURN.
UH, SO, AND EVEN AFTER THE, THE STRUCTURE HAS FALLEN, UH, THAT THERE'S LIKE CANS AND TRASH AND SIGNS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE KIND OF CAMPING OUT HERE.
UH, AND THAT WAS I THINK PART OF WHY THE FENCE WAS PUT UP.
APPARENTLY EVEN GROWN ADULTS WHO OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER ARE CHOOSING TO RISK SITTING UNDER THEIR COMMISSIONER RAVES.
WHY WAS THE PREVIOUS CA CANCELED? PARDON ME? WHY WAS THE PREVIOUS CA CANCELED? IT WASN'T IT IT WAS, IT WAS CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE UNAUTHORIZED DEMOLITION.
IT WASN'T THAT IT WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH WHAT WE APPROVED THEN.
RIGHT? IT WAS THE COURSE OF EVENTS THAT FOLLOWED RIGHT.
THAT CAUSED THE C SO WE, WE STILL LIKE WHAT WE APPROVED THEN ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? AS FAR AS WE KNOW, RIGHT? IT SEEMS TO ME THAT JIM IS ASKING TO TEAR IT DOWN AND BUILD IT BACK.
RIGHT, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE
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PREVIOUS, IS THAT CORRECT? WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE I REQUEST FOR A DEMO, A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION.WE CANNOT ADD ANY REQUIREMENTS ONTO IT ABOUT WHAT YOU WILL DO AFTERWARDS.
WE CAN JUST RULE OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN DEMOLISH IT AND THEN WE STOP.
IF YOU WERE TO, WE CAN SPEAK EXTERNALLY, BUT WE HAVE TO STOP AT THAT POINT.
IF YOU ARE TO APPROVE IT TODAY, REMEMBER THAT THE CA FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR ANY REPLACEMENT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU.
IT MIGHT BE THE SAME ONE OR IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
WE DON'T ISRAEL WHERE WE CAN TIE ANYTHING WE DO TODAY TO WHAT MS. SINGLE HAS READ OR IS THAT NOT ALLOWED ON THAT? THERE'S A RULE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DEMOLISH A HOUSE AND WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IN RESPONSE.
I, BECAUSE I THINK THAT SAYS WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG AND WHAT HE NEED NEEDS TO DO IS FIX IT AND IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN.
BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN IS UP TO THE ATTORNEYS READING THE ORIGINAL LAWS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEM UNLESS WE CHANGE THEM AND WE CAN'T CHANGE THEM.
RIGHT NOW WHAT MS. SINGLETON READ WAS THE ENFORCEMENT AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES AND THAT GOES THROUGH COURT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY CAN REFER THAT TO, UM, COMMUNITY PROSECUTION THAT'S SEPARATE AND APART FROM WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TASKED WITH HERE AND THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARD IN WHICH I READ OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS LET US KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN ELEVATED AS A TOPIC OF STRONG CONCERN THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING TO LOOK INTO WHAT HAPPENED.
AND DID I MISHEAR YOU MADAM CHAIR? OKAY.
APPARENTLY COMMUNITY PROSECUTION HAS SEEN IT.
WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THERE WILL BE FOR WITH, UM, IS THAT COMMISSIONER OFFIT? I HEARD? YES, MA'AM.
I IS THAT WHAT WE SHOULD DO NEXT WHERE, UH, LET'S HEAR FROM ADRIAN WHO WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS AC ACCURATELY WHAT SHE KNOWS ABOUT THE, UH, POTENTIAL PROBLEMS WITH THIS? OKAY.
I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS BEING HANDLED BY THE CODE INTENSIVE CASE RESOLUTION TEAM.
THEY DO HANDLE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT EITHER, UH, ARE NOT YET AT THE STATUS OF COMMUNITY PROSECUTION OR USUALLY THOSE THAT HAVE BURN STRUCTURES AUTOMATICALLY THEY GET, THEY GET THE FIRE REPORT AND START WORKING THOSE CASES.
SO IT IS LIKELY THAT IT IS IN ROUTE TO COMMUNITY PROSECUTION OR HAS BEEN AT LEAST SEEN BY THEM BECAUSE USUALLY THOSE, THEY WORK TOGETHER, UH, A LOT OF TIMES.
SO I WILL CONFIRM IF THEY'VE SEEN IT OR HAVE AN OPEN CASE, BUT THE CASE THAT I SEE IN THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IS FOR INTENSIVE CASE RESOLUTION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING US KNOW IN DETAIL THAT WHAT I WOULD LIKE US TO DO NOW IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING ROUND AND ROUND IN CIRCLES.
IT APPEARS WE HAVE TWO CHOICES.
WE DENY THE DEMOLITION BECAUSE WE THINK IT IS NOT DANGEROUS OR WE APPROVE THE DEMOLITION BECAUSE WE AGREE THAT THEY HAVE MADE A CASE THAT IT IS DANGEROUS.
WE CANNOT TIE ANYTHING ELSE TO IT.
NONE OF THIS MEANS THAT WE'RE HAPPY THIS HAPPENED, THAT WE KNOW YET WHETHER IT IS SOMETHING FOR WHICH SOMEONE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE OR WHETHER IT'S JUST A TRAGIC ACCIDENT.
WE HOPE THAT THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH FINDING THAT OUT.
ALL WE CAN DO IS WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO ON THIS ONE.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON OR COMMISSIONER OFFIT OR SOMEBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER OFFIT.
YOU SEEM TO HAVE WON THAT CONTEST.
I MOVE TO, UH, UM, THE MATTER OF, UH, 1223 BOSWELL STREET MOVED TO APPROVE HIS STAFF AS RECOMMENDED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND MOTION? SECOND.
COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN, WHO WENT FIRST OR COMMISSIONER RENO WENT FIRST.
COMMISSIONER RENO IS THE SECOND.
DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AS WE HAVE CERTAINLY DISCUSSED, AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW ALL THE MANY FEELINGS AND OPINIONS WE HAVE.
OH, YOU HAVE ANOTHER FEELING OR OPINION? GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED ASK CITY ATTORNEY DON'T WE HAVE TO PUT IN THERE THAT, UM, APPROVE IT DUE TO THE, THE EMINEM THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
HE FOLLOWED STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THAT'S PART OF THE OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
YOU SEE NO ONE WAS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THEIR VOTES.
SO NO MATTER WHICH SIDE WE VOTE ON, SO YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THIS.
YOU ALSO HAVE HEARD OUR POLITELY EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS CAME TO BE.
AND WE HOPE THAT IT TURNS OUT THAT IT WAS NO ONE'S FAULT THINGS HAPPEN OR IF IT IS SOMEONE'S FAULT THAT SOME SORT OF APPEASEMENT WILL TAKE PLACE.
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COULD BE VOLUNTARY, THAT COULD BE UNFORTUNATELY PROSECUTION.WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THE RIGHT HOUSE IN THIS SPOT IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO CARRY THAT OUT.
AND IF NOT THAT YOU WILL FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN BECAUSE OF EMPTY LOT IS A BAD THING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS TO EMPTY LOTS.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M SORRY YOU'RE HAVING SUCH A DIFFICULT TIME LATELY.
PLEASE GO FORTH AND GOOD LUCK.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON
WE HAVE ONLY ONE MORE AND THAT IS DISCUSSION NUMBER FIVE ON WIND MAYOR AVENUE.
ITEM DISCUSSION FIVE IS 2 0 9 SOUTH WINDERMERE AVENUE IN WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CD 2 34 DASH ZERO FIVE MW.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY STANDARD IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF A OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY UNDER THE IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY DEMOLITION, UH, STANDARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 H FOUR C TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY UNDER THE IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH OR SAFETY DEMOLITION STANDARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO PROVE OR PROVIDE MORE PHOTOS AND INFORMATION, INCLUDING INTERIOR PHOTOS PROVING WHY THERE IS A THREAT.
COULD IT BE REFRAMED PROVIDE SURVEY ON OR CYCLING? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND IF THERE ARE NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER OFFIT.
UM, IN THE CASE OF 2 0 9 SOUTH WINDERMERE AVENUE, UM, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND DENY THE PERMIT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA FOR YOUR SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER CONVER CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION BEFORE I CALL FOR VOTE? CAN WE CLARIFY THAT? SO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE COMMISSIONER OFFICE, IS IT, IS IT DENIAL? DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, RIGHT? YES.
SHALL I CALL FOR THE VOTE? COMMISSIONER MENO, ARE YOU'RE LEANING FORWARD TO SAY SOMETHING OR TO VOTE?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
STAFF WILL APPROPRIATELY NOTIFY THE APPLICANT.
WE HAVE JUST ONE MORE THING TO VOTE ON THE MINUTES.
ANYBODY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE SENT OUT? ALL RIGHT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? ROTH? YEAH, ROTHENBERGER MOVED TO APPROVE IS PRESENTED.
AND COMMISSIONER REEVES SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY, ANY OPPOSED? DIDN'T THINK SO.
I BELIEVE THAT'S IT FOR TODAY.
WE MADE IT JUST A FEW MINUTES BEFORE FOUR.
I WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH AND I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, NEXT MONTH IS MY LAST MEETING.
YEAH, I'VE I'VE DONE MY YEAR LONG IN THE RODEO AND SO I'M HANGING UP MY SPURS.
SO I JUST WANNA KIND OF REMIND YOU GUYS, SO I SAID I'D COME FOR ONE YEAR AND I'VE DONE THAT, SO DON'T WORRY, WE'LL FIND A WAY TO KEEP IT HERE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS WITHIN OUR, OUR, OUR PURVIEW TO FORCE PEOPLE TO STAY WHERE THEY DON'T WANNA BE.
GENERALLY IT'S THREE FIFTY SEVEN STILL AND I CALL THIS MEETING AT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AS ADJOURNED.