Apr 04, 2024 City Planning Commission

SHE'S HERE.

DISTRICT NINE, DISTRICT 10.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 11, EXCUSE ME.

DISTRICT 11.

VACANT.

DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT 13 HERE.

DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR? WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

UH, TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 4TH, 2024 AT 9:02 AM GOOD MORNING.

UH, WELCOME BACK COMMISSIONERS.

UH, HAVE A, A GOOD DOCKET TODAY.

WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT IN, UH, FOR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER TWO.

THAT ONE IS AS BRIEF AS NEEDED.

UH, LET'S TABLE THAT ONE JUST FOR JUST A SECOND.

UH, GIVE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SOME TIME TO COME IN.

WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT ONE.

UH, AND WE'LL JUMP INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH CONSISTS OF CASES THREE THROUGH SIX.

SIX HAS COME OFF CONSENT BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S SOME BOXES IN THERE.

SO WE'LL, UH, TAKE THAT ONE OFF.

CONSENT AND DISPOSE OF IT INDIVIDUALLY.

TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER THREE IN DISTRICT EIGHT, MICHAEL AND MR. PPI.

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

THEY HAVE A, A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING ON THE SITE AS WELL.

LET'S START WITH ITEM THREE.

ITEM THREE IS Z 2 2, 3 1, 9, 8.

AND THIS, THIS ONE IS LOCATED, UM, SOUTH OF I 20 ON BONVIEW ROAD APPLICATION, AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON A PROPERTY ZONE IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF BONVIEW ROAD NORTH OF LOGISTICS DRIVE.

IT'S ABOUT THREE ACRES.

PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST BEING TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON THE SITE.

AND HERE'S THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY, AND IT SURROUNDS.

SO CURRENT ZONING IS AG.

UM, THERE'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PD TO THE EAST AND THE SOUTH.

UH, THERE'S CS GENERAL DISTRICTS WITH SUVS FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING INTO THE WEST.

UH, THERE'S ONE AG PARCEL TO THE NORTH AND SOME LI TO THE NORTH THAT PROXIMITY TO A COUPLE REMAINING AG PARCELS, UM, NECESSITATES THE SUP AND IT IS ONLY ACCESSED FROM BON VIEW ROAD, BUT GENERALLY IT'S INDUSTRIAL IN CHARACTER OR ENTITLED AS SUCH.

BUT THEY DO NEED THE SUP, UH, DUE TO SOME AG THAT EXISTS IN THE AREA RIGHT NOW.

HERE IS THE PROPERTY LOOKING WEST, NOT BONNEY VIEW, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTH.

IT JUST STARTED RAINING IN THIS PHOTO, IT LOOKS LIKE.

THAT'S GREAT.

UM, SOUTHEAST THE, UH, WAREHOUSE IN THE INDUSTRIAL PD CROSS THE WAY, AND LOOKING UP BONNIE VIEW, LOOKING BACK.

SO AS FORWARD AS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WE'VE GOT AG, UM, AT THIS TIME, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING LI THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE LI UH, DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO THE A AND SHARING A BLOCK FACE WITH, WITH A, HERE'S A SITE PLAN AS IT'S PROPOSED.

AND, UM, SO I AM TALKING ABOUT YOURS, .

UM, SO BASICALLY IT SHOWS THEIR, UH, COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING.

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AND, UH, THEY DO HAVE TO PUT IN A 50 FOOT SETBACK DUE TO THE, UH, BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY WITH A DISTRICT ON THE BLOCK.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ONE, THE, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

AND TWO, THE APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? MM-HMM, NO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. PEPPY.

THIS IS THE 2 2 3 DASH 2 3 6, AND THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 3 3 7 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONE, A REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE CONTINUED SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE.

3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS IS LOCATED THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GREAT TRINITY FOREST WAY AND MURDOCK ROAD.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP YOU WILL SEE IT'S SURROUNDED BY RETAIL USES AND ALSO A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION.

OUTLINED IN BLUE IS THE AREA REQUEST ON THE AREA MAP.

UM, THEY RENEW THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

WELL, IT WAS APPROVED ON JUNE 12TH, 2019 FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIODS, AND FOR THE USE OF SALE OF ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.

AND THE APPLICANT FILED FOR A RENEWAL OF THE SUP ON MARCH THE 21ST, 2023.

THE APPLICANT REQUEST A RENEWAL OF SUP 2 3 3 7 FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS WITH THE ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIOD.

UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE TIME LIMIT, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OR SITE PLAN OF SUP NUMBER 2, 3 3 7.

THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BE PICTURES OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING SITES.

ON THE SCREEN, YOU WILL SEE THE SUP CONDITIONS AND THE CONDITIONS ARE THE SAME.

THE ONLY THING DIFFERENCE IS THE, UH, TIME.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE.

HOME AND A CEMETERY NOT HALF A MILE DOWN THE STREET, ABOUT HALF A MILE, MILE DOWN THE STREET, AND THIS IS THE SPOT THAT PEOPLE WOULD GET OFF AND GO DOWN IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT LOCATION? NO, MA'AM.

WERE YOU AWARE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF HOMELESS ACTIVITY AT THIS LOCATION? WHEN I DID MY SITE VISIT, I DID SEE A FEW HOMELESS PEOPLE.

WERE YOU AWARE THAT THIS APPLICANT NO.

YOU WEREN'T.

BE AWARE OF IT BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN THEY OR THE LAST TIME.

SO WERE YOU, LET ME POSE IT IN A QUESTION FORM.

UM, WERE YOU AWARE THAT WHEN THEIR LAST SUP WAS RENEWAL, IT WAS, UH, ONLY FOR A TWO YEAR CONTINGENT ON THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY ON THAT STREET CLEANED UP THEIR HOMELESS, UM, AND, AND THE VAGRANCY AND PEOPLE HANGING OUT AND DOING A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER STUFF, DRINKING AND WHATEVER ON THE PROPERTY? NO, MA'AM.

ON PROPERTY, I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT.

UM, OKAY.

SO I LOOKED AT, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT YOUR STATS, BUT I LOOKED AT YOUR STATS AND IT'S, AND THE STAT, UH, WELL THE STATS KIND OF, KIND OF CONCERN ME.

SO WERE YOU, WERE YOU AWARE THAT, THAT THERE IS A, UM, FUNERAL

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I WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY WOULD GO DOWN AT THAT LOCATION, BUT I DID NOTICE THAT THERE WAS A FUNERAL HOME DONE.

SO, BUT THERE WAS, YOU DID, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DID YOUR SITE VISIT, THERE WAS HOMELESS THAT WERE THERE? YES, MA'AM.

AND THERE WERE, IT WAS A CHALLENGING LOCATION TO VIEW IT IF IF TO SAY THE LEAST, IF, IF NOT CORRECT.

I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS CHALLENGING, BUT I DID NOTICE THAT THERE WERE A FEW HOMELESS PEOPLE OUT FRONT.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

UM, CAN YOU TAKE THIS OFF OF CONSENT? ABSOLUTELY, YOU CAN.

DO, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY DID NOT CONFIRM, BUT I DID SEND THEM SEVERAL EMAILS LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THE CASE WAS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

I SENT THEM THE STAFF REPORT AND I TOLD THEM WHAT TIME TO BE HERE AND THEY DID NOT CONFIRM.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, IF THE APPLICANT IS, UH, IS LISTENING, HIGHLY RECOMMEND, UH, YOU MAKE IT DOWN HERE AT 1230.

UH, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, CAN YOU CALL COMMISSIONER BLACK PLEASE? CAN YOU CALL THEM AGAIN AND ASK THEM TO GET TO COME DOWN AT 1230? YES.

I'LL RUN TO MY OFFICE AND GIVE THEM A CALL.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 3.035 ACRES.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS KZ 2 23 2 50.

THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT FOR AN MF TWO MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT USES AND AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY USE ON PROPERTY ZONED AND FM MF TWO MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OG OAKLAND SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF INWOOD ROAD, NORTHEAST OF LEMON AVENUE.

SO THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP OF THE, WHERE THE SITE IS AT.

THEN AERIAL MAP, THE AREA IN BLUE IS THE AREA OF REQUEST.

SO, UH, THIS IS A ZONING MAP SURROUNDING, UH, USES AROUND THE SITE.

MULTI, UH, MULTIFAMILY TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE NORTH AND NORTH EAST, INDUSTRIAL INSIDE TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS THE WEST, AS WELL AS MORTAR VEHICLE REPAIR.

AND THEN THERE IS A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE TO THE SOUTHWEST.

AND THEN THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY TOWARDS THE SOUTH.

UM, EAST.

THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH SEVERAL TWO STORY MULTIPLE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS AND ZONE MF TWO DISTRICT.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND A REDUCTION IN PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT.

THE EXISTING ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW THIS USE, THEREFORE THEY ARE REQUESTING USE OF DISTRICT TO PERMIT THIS USE AND DEFINE TERMS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR IT.

UH, THE, THE PD CONDITION DOES DEFINE THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY USE AS A PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY REQUIRING EXISTING LIVING FACILITY LICENSE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR ALL UNITS, WHICH, UH, FURNISHES IN SINGLE OR MULTIPLE FACILITIES, FOOD, SHELTER, LAUNDRY, AND OTHER ASSISTANCE WHICH MAY INCLUDE MEMORY CARE AND ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING TO FIVE OR MORE PRESENTS WHO ARE NOT RELATED BY BLOOD MAR OR ADOPTION OF THE OWNER OR ITY OF THE AS ESTABLISHMENT.

THE PEDESTRIAN REALM WILL BE ENHANCED BY DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ENSURES THEY AN ACTIV ACTIVATED SIDEWALK AND REQUIRE BELOW GRADE PARKING.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST, AGAIN, LOOKING SOUTHEAST TOWARDS THE MORE TOWARDS THE NORTH.

UM, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING

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NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHWEST.

LOOKING NORTHWEST.

THEN SURROUNDING USES AROUND THE SITE ON SIDE ON ONSITE LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING NORTH AND LOOKING E WEST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE SOUTH.

SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST, SOUTHEAST, SOUTHWEST LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST AND LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

AND THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE BEING, UM, PROPOSED FOR THE PD 180 3.

UM, THE NEW PDS FOR THE FRONT, THEY'RE ALL PROPOSING 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK FOR THE SITE AND REAR A 10 SETBACK.

HOWEVER, FOR BELOW GRAY PARKING STRUCTURE, THEY ARE REQUIRING A ZERO MINIMUM.

AND THEN FOR DENSITY, NO MINIMUM LOT AREA PER DWELLING UNIT, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING A 1 1 70 UNITS MAX.

THE HEIGHT, THEY'RE NOT, UM, DOING ANY UH, VARIANCES.

AND THEN FOR THE LOT COVERAGE, THEY ARE PROPOSING A 70%.

AND THEN THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

AND THEN I DID A MORE, UH, ZOOMED IN AND THEN, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED, SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT, PLANT AND CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HALL.

THANK YOU MS. GARON.

UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS, UH, MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

UH, THE, UH, THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE ON THIS LOCATION WERE BUILT IN 1948, CORRECT? I'M NOT AWARE OF WHEN THEY WERE BUILT.

YEAH, AT 1948, THAT MAKES 'EM JUST A LITTLE BIT OLDER THAN ME.

UM, THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS RETIREMENT HOUSING AT 55 UNITS PER ACRE, I BELIEVE.

AND SO THEY'RE ASKING TO DO 170 UNITS IN TOTAL IN, IS IT TWO OR THREE STORIES? I THINK IT'S THREE LEVELS.

THEY'RE PROPOSING A DEVELOPMENT PLAN DOES SAY THREE STORIES.

YES, CORRECT.

BUT, BUT NOT, UH, NOT ANY HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE KEEPING THE, THE SAME HEIGHT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, CURRENT ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW ASSISTED LIVING, NOR DOES IT ALLOW KITCHENS.

AND SO THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PROVIDE ASSISTED LIVING ALONG WITH KITCHENS? YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND, UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE WAS IT? UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON LA FOY DRIVE THE, WHERE THE DUMPSTER AREA IS.

UH, BELIEVE THEY DID MENTION.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO, UH, MAYBE WIDEN THE STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST TO, UH, MAKE IT EASIER TO GET, UH, UH, THE DUMPSTER TRUCKS IN AND OUT.

UM, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR RUBEN, JUST A, A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.

ONE, UM, I HAVEN'T LOOKED IN ANY DETAIL AT THE NEW MAPS AFTER REDISTRICTING, BUT WHEN I THINK OF PD 1 93, I, I THINK DISTRICT 14 AND DISTRICT 12, BUT I GUESS D 13, DD TWO, THANK YOU.

I HAVEN'T HAD MY COFFEE YET.

UH, I GUESS DISTRICT 13 WAS REDRAWN TO GET INTO PART OF PD 1 93, IS THAT RIGHT? SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? OKAY.

HAVE TWO CUPS OF COFFEE.

TWO CUPS OF COFFEE.

LITTLE PIECE.

AND THEN ONE OTHER, UM, QUICK QUESTION ON THESE ACCESSORY USES.

UM, IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE FOR THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE RESIDENTS.

I CAN THINK BACK TO VISITING, YOU KNOW, A GRANDPARENT OF MINE AT A FACILITY LIKE THIS, AND I MIGHT GO WITH THAT GRANDPARENT TOO, THE MOVIE THEATER OR THE SALON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

DOES, DOES THIS PROHIBIT, YOU KNOW, GUESTS AND FAMILY OF THE RESIDENTS FROM USING THAT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY? I AM NOT AWARE.

AND NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN CLEAN IT UP TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR THAT IT WAS FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS.

BUT I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT IF THAT'S WHAT THEY, UM,

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ACTUALLY INTEND.

BUT I KNOW IN DRAFTING IT, THAT WAS WHAT I SORT OF ENVISIONED.

THANK YOU, MR. MOORE.

MS. GARZA, TWO QUESTIONS ON THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS.

I SEE THAT IT'S 15% ALONG INWOOD ROAD.

COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW THAT RELATES TO OTHER STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE? IT'S ON FIVE 12 OF OUR CASE REPORT.

I KNOW FOR THIS ONE, UM, THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY STILL WANTED, UM, A BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE, LIKE, UH, A TRANSPARENCY FOR, NOT FOR, FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS THERE TO HAVE A PRIVACY.

SO THEY DID, UM, SAY 15%.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, PLEASE.

WELL, I HAD GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT, UM, JUST FORM-BASED CODE AS A REFERENCE.

'CAUSE I KNOW IT TYPICALLY HAS, UM, TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS AND EVEN ALONG PRIMARY STREETS, UM, IT WAS A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN THAT.

SO THAT JUST CAUGHT MY EYE.

THAT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A LOW, BUT CERTAINLY RECOGNIZED INWOOD A A BUSIER STREET.

UM, SECOND QUESTION IS, I NOTICED THAT THE LANDSCAPING IS CALLED OUT TO BE COMPLIANT WITH, UM, PART ONE, WHICH WOULD BE PART ONE OF PD 1 93.

COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE WILL BE PROVIDED? WAS THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT? YES, THEY DID PROVIDE, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I LOOKED PAST IT.

SO THEY DID, UM, PROVIDE, THEY'RE PROVIDING, UM, MINIMUM OF 3,500 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE MR. OR ROUGHLY 27% OF THE LOT.

AND IS THAT FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACE OR DOES THAT INCLUDE ALL OF THE SETBACKS IN OTHER AREAS? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, UM, AMENITIES PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE, ARE USABLE OPEN SPACE? I BELIEVE THEY MENTIONED THE WHOLE ENTIRE SET.

I WANTED TO ASK, ARE THEY TEARING DOWN THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THIS SITE TO BUILD A NEW, ARE THEY JUST RENOVATING EXISTING BUILDINGS TO, TO, UH, TO MAKE IT INTO A, AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY? THEY WILL BE, UH, DEMOLISHING THE, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND BUILDING A NEW, UH, BUILDING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. GARZA.

COMMISSIONERS AGAIN, CASE NUMBER SIX HAS BEEN TAKEN OF CONSENT.

HELLO AGAIN.

ITEM SIX, THIS IS Z 2 2 3 2 60, AND THIS IS LOCATED OFF OF LEMON IN OAK LAWN.

AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AT GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT AND AN AN MF TWO MULTIFAMILY, UH, MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 1 93.

THE OAK LAWN SOCIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, BOUNDED BY LEMON ROCK B AND BOWSER AVENUE AND REAGAN STREET, AND IT IS 3.07 ACRES.

PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST BEING TO ALLOW MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PRIMARILY RELATED TO USES, UH, SETBACKS, DENSITY LOCK COVERAGE, FLOOR AREA RATIO, HEIGHT, DENSITY STANDARDS, OR EXCUSE ME, DESIGN STANDARDS, PARKING, LANDSCAPING, AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING.

DEVELOPED A SITE WITH RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL USES.

AND HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT THE SPLIT ZONING NATURE OF THE PARCEL AS IT IS OR THE, THE, UH, BLOCK.

IT'S, UH, SPLIT BETWEEN MF TWO AND GR UH, RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE.

THERE'S A ALLEY THERE AT THIS TIME.

THERE IS MULTIFAMILY, MULTIPLE FAMILY USES TO THE NORTHEAST EAST.

UH, SOME SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED SUBDIVISIONS TO THE EAST, UH, MULTIPLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTHEAST RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH SOUTHEAST ACROSS, UH, REAGAN.

AND THEN A COUPLE RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THROUGH ACROSS LEMON WITH AN OFFICE BUILDING, RETAIL

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BUILDING, AUTO SERVICE CENTER, THE NORTHWEST.

AND THEN FINALLY A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED SUBDIVISION TO THE NORTHWEST.

AND IT IS SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, WHICH SEPARATE THE USES.

UH, BUT THE CHANGE WOULD, UM, SORT OF BLEND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THOSE TWO IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT AND MASSING ALLOW THEM TO SPREAD OUT THEIR HEIGHT AND RATHER THAN FOCUSING AT ALL A HUNDRED PERCENT ON LEMON, UH, WHERE THE GR ENTITLES QUITE A BIT, WHEREAS THE MF TWO ENTITLES A LOT LESS.

UH, SO THEY BE ABLE TO SPREAD IT OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

UM, THEY DO HAVE A MIXED INCOME COMPONENT AND THEY HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN.

AND HERE'S THE SITE, UM, ON THE ROCK MORTON LOOKING SOUTH, THE ALLEYS, EXCUSE ME, THE ALLEY ALLEY'S RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO AROUND THE BLOCK SLOWLY.

THERE ARE SOME TOWN HOMES THERE ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW.

SERVICE PARKING, YOU CAN GO AROUND THE SITE, DOWN, DOWN BOWSER SERVICE PARKING, SURFACE PARKING, SERVICE PARKING, OLD ABANDONED RETAIL STRUCTURE, SURFACE PARKING THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SURFACE PARKING, SOME UNDEVELOPED SPACE.

THERE WAS A TACO BUENO HERE AT ONE POINT WHERE THAT TILE IS.

UM, THERE'S, UH, SURFACE PARKING AT THE CORNER OF LEMON AND, UH, LEMON AND THROCKMORTON.

I'M GONNA TURN TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING USES.

SO THERE'S A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH CATTYCORNER.

THERE'S A, A TAKE FIVE AUTO SERVICE CENTER ACROSS THROCKMORTON, AND THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, SOME MULTIPLE FAMILY MIX OF MULTI-FAMILY PLEXES ACROSS BOWER, LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, CIRCLING THE CORNER FROM BASON TO REAGAN.

IT'S A MULTIFAMILY AND, UH, THE, UH, RESTAURANT ACROSS REAGAN.

AND THEN FINALLY BACK AT LEMON, MORE MORE RESTAURANT GOING IN, UH, OFFICE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET AND ANOTHER TACO DRIVE THROUGH ACROSS THE WAY.

UM, HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

THERE ARE SOME, UH, CLARIFICATIONS OFFERED IN THE LAST MINUTE CHANGES FROM THE DOCKET.

THEY ARE KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE IN NATURE.

UH, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN STANDS TO, UH, LIMIT USES, UH, SOUTHWEST OF THE HALF LINE, UH, TO THE RE TO THE, UH, COMMERCIAL ONES.

GR ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY IN, IN THERE, UH, ALREADY, AND THEN MULTIFAMILY, UH, USES STRICTLY MULTIPLE FAMILIES STRICTLY TO THE NORTHEAST AS WHAT SORT OF KEEPS IN THE USE REGIMEN.

WHILE THE REST OF THE SECTION, UH, ALLOWS DEVIATIONS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, OF THOSE TWO DISTRICTS.

SO WE END UP WITH, UM, KIND OF STRICTLY MULTIFAMILY ON THE NORTHEAST, SHOWN HERE ON PLAN NORTH, AND THEN A PODIUM, PODIUM, PARKING AND RETAIL IN THE SOUTHWEST TAKING UP THE WHOLE BLOCK.

ANOTHER, ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT AND MY AMATEUR CROSS SECTION.

BUT I DID FEEL THAT WAS IMPORTANT.

IT STEPS UP AS IT GETS AWAY FROM THE VASSER STREET, VASSER AVENUE RESIDENTIAL PARK.

UM, IT HAS TO JUMP UP FOR THAT PARKING PODIUM.

I HAVE PARTIAL ABOVE GROUND, PARTIAL BELOW GROUND, UH, AND THAT ALSO JUMPS UP TO ALLOW A LITTLE RETAIL BLOCK ON LEMON.

AND AS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HIGHLY QUALIFIED, BUT UM, THEY HAVE REDUCED SETBACK ON LEMON, GET THAT BUILDING CLOSER TO THE STREET, UH, WHEREAS IT, IT KIND OF MAINTAINS, UH, HIGHER SETBACK A LOCK.

REAGAN ALSO HAS HIGHER SETBACKS TO STEP BACK THE MASSING AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL HALF OF THE BLOCK.

UM, AS FOR MINIMUM LOCK AREA, THEY ACROSS THE WHOLE SITE IN TERMS OF PURE UNIT COUNT, THEY'D REDUCE IT, UH, A LITTLE BIT.

UM, PL AREA RATIO IS OTHER, AS WELL AS OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARD MAY MAKE THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, CAP OF FIVE 20 A LITTLE HARD TO HIT.

UM, BUT WE DO INCLUDE THE, UH, TOTAL DENSITY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE ON THE BASE REGIMEN, UH, THERE NONETHELESS.

AND MENTION THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PERCENTAGES IN THERE.

UH, THOSE ARE SUBJECT

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TO CHANGE IN THE, UH, CHANGES OF THE DOCKET.

UM, THEIR MIH ALSO IS TIED TO THE BASE, UH, INCREASING FROM A 2.0 FAR TO A 3.4, UM, 2.0 KIND OF HAD TO BE A SPECIFICALLY SET BASE BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY TWO DIDN'T HAVE A FAR TO START WITH.

UH, BUT YEAH, WE SEE THAT HEIGHT DECREASED FROM 85 ON LEMON DOWN TO 36 ON BOWSER.

THERE'S THE INTERMEDIATE STEPS AND THEN 90% L COVERAGE.

THE WHOLE STRUCTURE ALLOWS THEM TO, UH, ENCLOSED THEIR GARAGE.

AND AS FOR A LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH GENERALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF PART ONE.

THEY HAVE SOME REDUCED STREET TREES ALONG ROCK MORTON, UH, PROVIDED THAT THEY PRESERVE THE EXISTING LARGE TREES THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER, OR IT'S ACTUALLY THE NORTH CORNER, UH, PLAN NORTHWEST, BUT THAT'S THE PRIMARY VARIATION.

OTHERWISE, THE STREET TREES AND OTHER PLANTING GROUPS ARE THE SAME AS YOU WOULD SEE IN THE PART ONE I TO MODIFY THE GARAGE SCREENING.

SO IT DOESN'T OVERLAP WITH FOUR POINT 1107, BUT IN THIS CASE, FOUR POINT 1107 CONTROL AND ALLOW FOR PRESERVATION OF SPECIFIC LIVE OAKS ON THROCKMORTON MIXED INCOME PROVISIONS, UH, HAVE UPDATED IN THE CHANGE OF THE DOCKET.

UM, THE OLD ONE WAS 3.5 AT 61 TO 80 AM FI UH, WHEN, WHEN USING A 1.4 INCREASED FAR, UH, THE MAX HEIGHT IS TIED TO THE, THE FAR, BUT THE, UH, THE MAX HEIGHT ACTUALLY DECREASED ACROSS THE WHOLE PARCEL.

UH, IT'S A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN THE AVERAGE HEIGHT ACROSS THE PARCEL, STILL TIED TO THAT.

UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF FIVE, AT 5% AT 61 80 AM F FIVE IS BASED ON THE EXISTING M-I-H-D-B ORDINANCE THAT WE USE ACROSS THE BOARD, WHICH IS 5% AT 61 TO 80 FOR A ONE FAR RATIO INCREASE AND OTHER VARIATIONS FROM FOUR POINT 1107.

THEY MEET FOUR POINT 1107 MIXED INCOME DESIGN STANDARDS.

UM, FOR THE MOST PART, UH, THEY VARY THEIR ACTIVE BUILDING WITH, UM, THE HOPE IS THAT WILL LET THEM, UH, USE THAT ACTIVE BUILDING A LITTLE MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THEY WOULD MAYBE SCREENING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND ALLOW THAT RETAIL IN FRONT OF YOUR GARAGE ON LEMON.

UH, TRANSPARENCY PACING DOES NOT APPLY TO GARAGE PARKING WALLS.

MOST OF THAT IS, IS WRAPPED AS IT IS.

UM, EVERYTHING ELSE IN 4.107 REMAINS A MODIFIED FENCING.

INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES ARE PEDESTRIAN SCALE, LIGHTING, GROUND LEVEL, OPEN SPACE, UH, GARAGE SCREENING, ALL STANDARD AND ADDITIONAL DESIGN STANDARDS.

THEY HAVE TWO PIECES OF STREET FURNITURE FROM THE REGULAR MIX OF THREE FOR EACH FRONTAGE.

THEY HAVE DRIVEWAY WIDTH AND NUMBER MAXIMUMS. SO 25, UH, MAXIMUM WIDTH ANYWHERE, UH, ONE PER FRONTAGE ON BROCK, MARTIN, REAGAN, AND LEMON, AND THEN NONE ON BOWSER.

UM, ADDITIONAL 40% TRANSPARENCY ABOVE WHAT'S CALLED FOUR AND FOUR POINT 1107, THAT'S 40% ON LEMON.

UH, ELSEWHERE.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEET THE FOUR POINT 1107 TRANSPARENCY, UH, WHICH IS EVENLY SPACED AND THREE FOOT VERTICAL BUFFERS BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND PARKING OR DRIVING SURFACES.

THEY DON'T HAVE A, UH, AT THE, ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, PRIMARY EXPOSED PARKING OR DRIVING SPACES.

BUT THE, UH, THREE FOOT VERTICAL BUFFERS IS, SHOULD THEY CHANGE THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN ANY WAY TO INCLUDE THOSE, UH, THAT'LL APPLY, UH, PROTECT THE SIDEWALK FROM, UM, CAR ENCROACHMENT AND SAFE CROSSING LANGUAGE YOU'RE LIKELY FAMILIAR WITH.

UH, ONE DIFFERENCE IN THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE, UH, REQUEST IS IN REGARDS TO SIDEWALKS.

SO STAFF, RE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE IN AGREEMENT ON EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK WITH A SIX FOOT PARKWAY, SORRY, FIVE FOOT PARK, SORRY, IT'S A FIVE FOOT PARKWAY ON LEMON.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER STREETS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS ACROSS THE BOARD AND A, UM, PARKWAY MINIMUM OF FIVE FOOT.

UH, THEY RECOMMEND OR THEY REQUEST TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SHRINK THEIR DRIVEWAYS WHEN THEY REACH, EXCUSE ME, SHRINK THEIR SIDEWALKS WHEN THEY REACH THE DRIVEWAY AS YOU GO NORTHEAST ON THE SITE TO A FOUR FOOT MINIMUM.

SIDEWALKS, UH, HAVE A LARGER PARKWAY.

SO RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP THE SIX ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE PLAN.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY'VE MARKED THEIR DRIVEWAYS ON HERE.

IT'S NOT EXACTLY MIDWAY THROUGH THE SITE, BUT APPROXIMATELY IN THE NORTH OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS, THEY SHRINK THE SIDEWALKS DOWN FOUR FEET.

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THAT'S A REFRESHER ON THAT.

WE DID HAVE CHANGES FROM THE DOCKET AND THEY'RE, UH, MOSTLY ADMINISTRATIVE.

SOME CLARIFICATION ON CONCEPTUAL PLAN, JUST TO BEEF UP THAT LANGUAGE, MAKE SURE THAT IT APPLIES ONLY TO USE, UH, USES NOT TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

'CAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF THE REZONING IS TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO VARY ACROSS THOSE TWO TRACKS.

UH, BUT TO KEEP THAT RE RESIDENTIAL, OR EXCUSE ME, RETAIL COMPONENTS OF THE SOUTHWEST.

UM, AND SO THAT'S ACHIEVED ON PAGE 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, AND THREE.

UH, PARKING.

PAGE FOUR HAS DETAILED, DETAILED AS SMALL LOADING SPACES NEED TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

THERE WERE ALREADY REQUIRED SMALL LOADING SPACES, BUT IT GIVES DETAIL AS TO WHERE THOSE SHOULD BE.

UH, REMOVES TURRET FROM THE LIST OF PUBLIC ENTRANCE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.

LONG STORY SHORT, THEIR PRI THEIR PRIMARY ENTRANCES NEED TO HAVE ARCHITECTURE ELEMENTS.

AND THAT WAS ONE IN THE LIST.

THEY REMOVED THAT.

AND, UH, PAGE SIX ADDED SOME SUSTAINABILITY FEATURES LIKE ALBIDO, ROOF STRUCTURES, RECYCLING, UH, IRRIGATION FOR LANDSCAPING AND, UH, BIKE RACKS.

I THINK, I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE BIKE RACKS NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC OF THE, OF THE OVERALL BIKE PARKING THAT THEY HAVE.

AND THE APPLICANT ACCEPTED, INCORPORATED STAFF RECOMMENDED MIXED INCOME HOUSING UNITS AT 5% AT 61 TO 80 A FI.

IT WAS PREVIOUSLY 3.5 AS STATED A MINUTE AGO.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND A LANDSCAPE, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

AND IM HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.

YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FOR PHIL IRWIN.

UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION SORT OF LATE ABOUT THE TREES ON LEMON.

THERE WAS DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THEM BEING SIX INCH CALIBER.

AND I THINK MAYBE THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY PHIL THAT THEY BE FIVE INCH, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T THINK THE DEVELOPER CARES AND I DON'T CARE.

SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WOULD PREFER, UM, FOR THE HEALTH OF THE SITE.

WHAT, UH, WHAT PHIL WOULD PREFER.

UHHUH .

LET ME SEE.

SO THE ONE THING WE TOUCHED ON LEMON WAS, UH, NOT USING LIVE OAKS AS THE PRIMARY PLANTING GROUP THERE.

BE A LITTLE TOO, UH, IN THERE IN HIS SOME, UH, ESTIMATION TO, UM, DENSE TO SEE THERE.

'CAUSE IT'S A DENSE TREE COVER, UH, THE LIVE OAK.

UH, WHEREAS WE'D BE ABLE TO USE LIVE OAKS ELSEWHERE.

UH, THE CONDITIONS DON'T TOUCH ON THE CALIPER WIDTH ON LEMON YET.

I CAN, LET ME, I, I CAN SEE IF, UH, PHIL IS AVAILABLE, BUT BEYOND THAT, AT THE, THE TIME THE PROPOSAL LEAVES IT AS, UH, AS THE BASE STANDARD, WHICH I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ASK HIM SOMETHING SPECIFIC? YEAH, IF, IF HE HAS, I GUESS THERE WAS A REPRESENTATION OR AN AGREEMENT MADE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK THE AGREEMENT MADE WITH THE COMMUNITY WAS THAT THEY WOULD DO SIX INCH AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT FIVE INCH MIGHT BE A BETTER CHOICE, UM, FOR THOSE TREES ON LEMON, UH, TO, I DON'T KNOW, GROW HEALTHIER OR GROW FASTER OR WHATEVER.

AND SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION ABOUT WHICH SIZE TREE WOULD BE BEST TO PLANT FROM THE START.

I'LL SEE IF HE'S HANDY.

IF NOT, I WILL GET YOU THAT INFO, UH, BEFORE PUBLIC.

UM, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S NOT ANY TEXT AT THIS TIME, UH, REFLECTING THAT DISCUSSION.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT COULD BE ADDED.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

OH, STIR.

WELCOME.

PARDON MY INTERRUPTION.

UH, I THOUGHT I COULD STEP IN HERE REAL QUICK IF YOU COULD HEAR ME OKAY.

ADAPTING TO THE LOCATION, A THREE AND A HALF INCH TREE, FOUR INCH TREE MAYBE WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

UH, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE HAD ON THIS WAS THE CODE AND REFERENCES A, A MINIMUM OF THREE AND A HALF INCHES.

WHEN WE START ESCALATING UP TO A SIX INCH TREE, WE START LOOKING AT, UH, DIFFICULTY OF PLANTING.

UH, ALSO THE DIFFICULTY FOR THE TREE TO ADAPT TO THE CONDITION.

THAT'S A MORE MATURE TREE BEING PLANTED IN A, IN THAT, UH, LIMITED URBAN CONDITION.

SO WE LOOK FOR PLANTING THREE AND A HALF INCH TREE IS JUST AS SUBSTANTIAL AS PLANTING A SIX INCH TREE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.

SO WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? LEAVE IT AS IS.

I WOULD TYPICALLY LEAVE IT AS IS OR CODE MINIMUM AND ALLOW IT TO GROW TO THE SIX INCH.

UH, IF IT'S, THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE THE LARGEST SIZE POSSIBLE AT TIME OF INSTALLATION, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN TRY TO APPLY FOR.

BUT FOR THE LONGEVITY OF THE TREE AND THEN

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I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT LAST PART.

UH, THE THREE AND A HALF INCH TREE MINIMUM IS A GOOD STANDARD IF YOU WANT TO GO TO FOUR INCH.

I MEAN, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF THE AGE OF THE TREE THAT YOU'RE INSTALLING INTO THE SITE.

THE YOUNGER THE TREE, THE FASTER IT CAN PROBABLY GROW AS IT'S MATURING INTO THE LOCATION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M GLAD HE ANSWERED THAT.

UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, MR. PEPE, I BELIEVE I READ THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR 13,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND FLOOR OPEN SPACE.

IS THAT, DID I READ THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S THE GROUND FLOOR AND YOU'RE SATISFIED IT'S THERE BECAUSE WITH MY MATH SKILLS, I COULDN'T GET TO 13,000 FEET, BUT I'M SURE YOU'RE FINE.

YOU'VE GOT IT FIGURED OUT.

NOW THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CON THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CONDITIONS.

UH, WHAT IS, UH, LEADING YOU TO, UH, WELL, I JUST DIDN'T SEE ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR ME TO CONFIRM THAT.

SO YOU, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THAT FOR THIS AFTERNOON.

AND THEN THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT SOME, EVIDENTLY SOME RELIEF TO THE GARAGE SCREENING BECAUSE OF LANDSCAPE.

I DIDN'T QUITE FOLLOW HOW THAT WORKED.

DID, DID I READ THAT Y YES.

WELL, IT'S A, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? IT'S AN INTERACTION BETWEEN THE L LANDSCAPING IN PD 1 93 DOES SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD CALL DESIGN STANDARDS ELSEWHERE, INCLUDING GARAGE SCREENING.

THEY ARE GOING TO MEET THE FULL GARAGE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS OF FOUR POINT 1107, BUT THEY, UM, THEY WERE GETTING RELIEF FROM THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT OF PART ONE, PD 1 93, WHERE THEY MAY CONFLICT.

UM, AND IT WOULD ALLOW AN OPEN SPACE, UH, IN ENSURE THEY, THEY WANT, THEY WANNA IN AND THAT THAT RELATES TO THE OPEN SPACE.

THEY WANNA PUT AN OPEN SPACE OUTSIDE OF A GARAGE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE IN PD 1 93, YOU NEED TO PUT, UH, I THINK PLANTING GROUPS IN FRONT OF IT.

AND SO THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.

HAVE A KIND OF AN URBAN OPEN SPACE ON, UM, ON LEMON AVENUE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE PLAN.

SO WE'RE COVERED IN, IN STAFF'S ESTIMATION, IN, IN TERMS OF GARAGE SCREENING, BUT IT'S SORT OF A INTERACTION BETWEEN TWO SCREENING STANDARDS AND IN THE MIXED INCOME DESIGN STANDARDS AND, AND PD 1 93.

AND THEN AS FOR THE OPEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED IN THE URBAN DESIGN STANDARD SECTION.

SO FOR DEVELOPMENT, THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE 34,000 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL OPEN SPACE AND THEN 13,000 OF TOTAL OPEN SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

AND THAT'S REQUIRED BY CONDITION.

COMMISSIONER HOFF, I, THAT COMMISSIONER HARBERT, UH, MR. PEPE, ARE THERE, THERE'S, ARE THERE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE THAT ARE GONNA BE DEMOLISHED? THERE'S ONE LEFT.

I THINK IT WAS A LA MADELINE, UH, THERE'S ONE LEFT THEN, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S THREE, UH, ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY IN THE NORTH CORNER, UH, THAT I UNDERSTAND ARE OWNED BY THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER.

AND THOSE WOULD BE, UH, DEMOLISHED TO, TO BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

HERE'S THE OTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

AND THEN THERE ARE THREE ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND BOWSER AVENUE.

UH, THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED IN THIS CASE.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE ON LEMON, UH, IS ALREADY DEMOLISHED A WHILE BACK.

AND I NOTICED LOOKING THROUGH THE BRIEF, THAT HHEB, IS THIS GONNA BE AN HEB STORE OR WHAT? I'LL, I'LL BE STRAIGHT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A NO.

UM, I THINK THEY DID OWN THIS SITE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING IT, THEY'RE MOVING ON FROM IT .

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE, THE APPLICANT DEVELOPER, THEY'RE THE LANDOWNER.

MM-HMM.

, IT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER HARBOR, PLEASE.

UM, DRIP IRRIGATION FROM, UH, FROM AIR CONDITIONER AND, AND, UM, RAINWATER COLLECTION.

UM, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION YOU MENTIONED, UM, AND THIS IS FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, BUT YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT IRRIGATION AND YOU, YOU, YOU SPOKE REALLY FAST, WHICH YOU NORMALLY DON'T DO.

MIKE, CAN YOU, UM, TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT IRRIGATION? YEAH.

THOSE ARE IN THE SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS FOR THAT, THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT.

UH, THIS DRAFT DOESN'T HAVE IT HERE.

UH, SO I DON'T HAVE THE FULL LANGUAGE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S PART OF THE SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS.

IT RELATES TO, UH,

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SO IT, IT'S, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND IT'S RELATED TO, RELATED TO THAT.

I DON'T HAVE THE NEW ADDED LANGUAGE IN, IN FRONT OF ME, UH, AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S, I CAN ANSWER THAT.

IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR LANDSCAPING.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COLLECT ANY CONDENSATION FROM HVAC SYSTEMS THAT ARE FIVE TONS OR MORE AND DO RAINWATER COLLECTION AND REUSE IT AS PART OF THEIR LANDSCAPING.

UM, THEY ALSO INTEND TO MEET, IT'S NOT LEAD, IT'S ONE OF THE OTHER STANDARDS, BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY WON'T ALLOW US TO PUT THAT IN.

AND SO WE HAVE TRIED TO CAPTURE SOME OTHER SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT, UM, SORT OF DOVETAILS INTO WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DO ON THE SITE.

AND IN THOSE SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS, THEY'RE PUT INTO THE PD OR IS IT A CASE BY CASE? WELL, THE, THERE'S SOME SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS IN THE PD, BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WON'T LET US REFERENCE STANDARDS LIKE LEAD IN THE PD.

SO EVEN THOUGH A DEVELOPER MAY CHOOSE TO COMPLY WITH THE LEAD STANDARD, WE CAN'T REQUIRE IT IN THE PD.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

I SEE WE STILL HAVE MR. IRWIN, SO I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE TREE DISCUSSION.

COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE RELATIVE, UM, SIZE VARIANCE? I THINK I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE PLANTING CONSTRAINTS AND THAT A YOUNGER TREE WILL ADAPT MORE QUICKLY, THEREFORE GROW MORE QUICKLY ON THE SMALLER VERSUS THE LARGER CALIPER.

AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY FOUR TO SIX, KEEP IT SIMPLER IN MY MIND.

WHAT WOULD BE THE RELATIVE, UM, IMPACT OF THAT IN TERMS OF PLANTING, IN TERMS OF SCALE OF THAT TREE WHEN THEY WERE PLANTED? IS THAT A SIGNIFICANT HEIGHT DIFFERENCE? UM, AND AGAIN, IS THERE ANY SORT OF RULE OF THUMB ON ON HOW THOSE, UM, INFILLS THE YOUNGER VERSUS AN OLDER, MORE MATURE TREE? WELL, THE, THE MORE MATURE TREE, OBVIOUSLY THE TALLER, UH, DEPENDS ON THE SPECIES OF COURSE.

UH, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SPREAD OF THE CANOPY ALSO DEPEND ON THE SPECIES.

UH, THE LARGER TREE WILL BE TALLER IMMEDIATELY.

IT WILL TAKE TIME FOR IT TO BEGIN TO GROW IN HEIGHT.

UH, AND THAT MEANWHILE, THE YOUNGER TREE WOULD, WOULD TYPICALLY BE GROWING FASTER AND CATCH UP TO THE HEIGHT OF THE TREE OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS THAT BY, BY THE TIME WE GET 10 TO 15 YEARS, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE CAUGHT UP WITH EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, IN IF IN COMPARISON.

UH, AND ALSO DEPENDS ON THE SOIL CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE PLANTING IN.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, OPTIMAL PLANTING CONDITIONS, THE YOUNGER TREE WILL TYPICALLY BE MORE RAPIDLY GROWING, BUT, BUT YOUR MATURE TREE, IF IT'S BEING WELL MAINTAINED, WILL DO WELL.

AND IT, IT'S GONNA FILL IN THE SPACE, UH, IMMEDIATELY AND IT, IT'LL LOOK LIKE IT'S BEEN A, A MORE MATURE TREE'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

ONE FOLLOW UP.

I NOTICED IN THE CASE REPORT THAT IT MENTIONS THE PRESERVATION OF EXISTING TREES ALONG LEMON AVENUE.

I DIDN'T SEE THOSE LOCATED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UH, DON'T THINK THEY'RE ON LEMON.

I THINK THEY'RE ON THROCKMORTON.

OH, THROCKMORTON.

MY, MY APOLOGIES.

YOU YOU GOT IT.

YEAH, I, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN BACKWARDS, SO MY APOLOGIES.

UM, AND SO IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL, I GUESS, LANGUAGE THAT SHOULD BE CONCERNED? THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MR. PEPE, BUT IF THE INTENT IS TO, UM, MAINTAIN THOSE TREES AS A PART OF THE OVERALL LANDSCAPING, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDED TO BE CONSIDERED? AND I'M CONFIDENT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS THIS WELL IN HAND.

I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT IMMEDIATELY.

YEAH, WELL THIS, THIS, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED IS THE NUMBER OF TREES REQUIRED IN THE TREE PLANTING ZONE ALONG THE ROCK MORTON IS EIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT THE STANDARD IN THE NORMAL.

UH, SO PROVIDED THE, FOR LIVE LI LARGE LIVE OAKS EXISTING PRIOR TO 2020 WERE SHOWN IN THE LANDSCAPE PLANT PRESERVED.

UM, SO OTHERWISE THEY HAVE TO MEET THE BASE STANDARD.

UM, SO THEIR INCENTIVE TO DO IT IS THEY CAN PLANT LESS, THEY CAN PRESERVE IT.

BUT THAT LANGUAGE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF, MAYBE I WON'T LET PHIL FOLLOW UP IF NECESSARY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IT CAN BE TRICKY TO SAY YOU, IT'S ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED THAT THIS IS PRESERVED BECAUSE OF, UH, THE HEALTH OF THINGS OVER TIME.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A, AN ALTERNATIVE, BUT THE INCENTIVE THERE IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO PLANT AS MANY ON THAT FRONTAGE.

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UNDERSTOOD.

SO THAT'S, AND, AND AGAIN, I, I WAS READING THAT AND DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE FULL CONTEXT OF IT, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

PAGE 26 MM-HMM, .

SO THEN A SECONDARY QUESTION REGARDING, UM, THE EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED RELATED, WELL, TWO FOLLOW UPS.

ONE THE EXCEPTIONS ON THE SCREENING, AND I WAS NOTICING SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF THE LOADING THAT IS REQUIRED, IS THAT BASE REQUIREMENT OF PD 1 93.

I SEE IT REFLECTED ON THE PLAN, BUT THERE'S NO STANDARD.

SO IS THAT DEFERRING BACK TO PD 1 93? THE, THE LOADING, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LOADING STANDARD CORRECT, ON PAGE 23 OF THE REPORT WITH THE CONDITIONS? YES.

SO THE LOADING STANDARDS WERE VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT SPECIFICALLY AND AS I ASSUME AS FOLLOW UP TO CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

I, I KNOW WE'LL HEAR THIS INDIVIDUALLY, SO I CAN ASK THEM TO CONFIRM THAT.

AND THEN FINAL QUESTION ON THE, UM, TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS.

I, I NOTICED IT'S MUCH HIGHER WHERE WE'VE GOT THE GR ZONES.

IS THERE TRANSPARENCY THAT IS ANTICIPATED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE SITE? YES.

SO WE HAVE TWO LAYERS OF, UM, TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS HERE.

SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO MEET 40%, UH, MINIMUM ON LEMON.

AND THEN IT'S THE FOUR POINT 1107 TRANSPARENCY STANDARDS ON THE EVERYWHERE OUT, ON EVERY OTHER FRONTAGE.

AND THAT IS, THAT ONE WORKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

IT'S NOT A PERCENTAGE, BUT IT DOES, I I THINK IT'S ROBUST LANGUAGE.

IT TALKS ABOUT AT LEAST ONE WINDOW AND ONE PRIMARY ENTRANCE, UM, AT THE STREET LEVEL.

AND THEN IT SAYS A TRANSPARENT SURFACE IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY 25 LINEAR FEET OF STREET FRONTING AND OPEN SPACE FRONTING FACADE.

SO IT'S EVERY 25 FEET, THEY REQUIRE A TRANSPARENT SURFACE.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT MECHANISM FOR TRANSPARENCY THAN IS THE 40% ON LEMON.

THE, SO THEY'RE GONNA OVERLAP ON LEMON.

AND I PRESUME THAT IF YOU'RE MEETING 40%, IT'S EASY TO MEET YOUR 25%, UM, OR EVERY 25 FEET YOU HAVE MUST HAVE AN OPENING.

BUT THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT WE USE FOR MIXED INCOME PROJECTS.

TRANSPARENCY OF THE ONE IN 4.107.

WELL, WE HAVE THOSE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION IN THE BACK.

YEAH, UNDERSTOOD.

AND THEN THAT IS WHAT ALSO TRIGGERS, UM, ANY GROUND LEVEL UNITS CONNECT TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND ALL THE OTHER PROVISIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED.

UH, THE, THE PARK, THE PARKING SCREENING, UH, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING, YEAH.

THANK YOU MR. PEPE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MR. PEPPER.

MY QUESTION IS ABOUT SIDEWALKS.

'CAUSE I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT AND STAFF ARE IN AGREEMENT ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE WIDTH OF THE PARKWAY ON LEMON AND FROCK, MORTON AND REAGAN, SOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.

BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE DIFFERENCES IN THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, STAFF AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS OFFERING ON BOWSER AND THRO MORTON? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE JUST WIDTH BECAUSE THE APPLICANT'S SUGGESTING FOUR IN 10, WHICH IS 14 FEET, AND THE STAFF IS SIX AND FIVE, SO IT'S 11 FEET.

SO IS IT TREES OR, OR COMMUNITY PREFERENCE, OR DO YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION? I UNDERSTAND IT'S COMMUNITY PREFERENCE, WHY THEY'VE VOLUNTEERED FOR, UM, STAFF IN, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGES THAT, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS SIX.

THE, UH, A DA PASSING DISTANCE FOR TWO WHEELCHAIRS IS FIVE.

SO THAT'S A FLOOR YOU WOULD SEE FROM ME IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATION.

UM, THEY ALSO HAVE A FRONT, THEY HAVE A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK ON BOWSER, FOR EXAMPLE.

UH, I SEE NO ISSUE IN ACCOMMODATING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKWAY AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SIDEWALK, NONETHELESS.

MIX USE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITH A SHOPFRONT OVERLAY WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 5 95, WHICH IS THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PIPET.

SEVEN AND EIGHT.

WE'LL GO TO SEVEN AND EIGHT.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHILDREN HAS A CONFLICT ON ITEM ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AND A STEPPED OUTTA THE CHAMBER.

THIS IS Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 1 AND THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE, A TAVERN, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTIES ZONE F WM U THREE DASH SH WALKABLE URBAN

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SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT OUTLINE IN BLUE IS THE AREA REQUEST ON THE AREA MAP.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP YOU WILL SEE IS SURROUNDED BY UNDERDEVELOPED FOR ITS PARK AUTO SERVICE CENTER, VEHICLE SALE AND MANUFACTURING.

THE AREA OF REQUEST IS LOCATED AT 29 10 BJO BOULEVARD.

THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1939.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2,688 SQUARE FEET.

THE ONLY USED AUTHORIZED BY THIS SPECIFIC PERMIT WOULD BE A BAR LOUNGE OF TAVERN, AND THE PROPOSED BAR LOUNGER TAVERN WILL OPERATE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 8:00 AM TO 1:00 AM AND THE NEXT DAY AND SUNDAY 11:00 AM TO 11:00 PM THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BE PICTURES OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

ON THE SCREEN NOW WILL BE THE CONDITIONS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

AND IT'LL BE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.

ALSO I DID IT BASED ON THE USE.

UM, IS THERE ANY REASON THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A FIVE YEAR AUTOMATIC WITH THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WHEN THIS IS A NEW SUP AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TIME TO ADAPT TO IT? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FOR ME? I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU.

ALL I HEARD WAS THE SUP RENEWAL.

THE THERE REASON WHY.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH A AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WHEN THIS IS A NEW ALCOHOLIC ESTABLISHMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TIME TO ADAPT AND SEE, UM, WHAT WOULD THIS BUSINESS BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY? WELL, I SPOKE WITH RYAN ABOUT THAT AND HE SAID, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY STATED THAT ALL NEW SUVS SHOULDN'T HAVE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.

SO THAT'S WHY I LEFT IT AS THE FIVE YEAR WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.

LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

LEMME STOP.

SO I KNOW THERE IS NOT A POLICY, BUT PUTTING A NEW SUP ON A, UH, IS PUTTING A NEW SUP ON A AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, HOW DOES THAT DEAL THE COMMUNITY, UH, IF, IF SOMETHING GO SOMETHING, IF THEY DO SOMETHING AND IT'S AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AND, AND THEN, UM, IT DOESN'T GIVE A COMMUNITY ROOM, IT DOESN'T GIVE A COMMUNITY ROOM TO HAVE A CHOICE ON WHETHER THEY WANT TO KEEP THEM IN A LATER DATE.

UM, IF THEY, IF THEY REDO THEIR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AND AT THAT TIME EVERYTHING IS OKAY, UM, THEN THE COMMUNITY IS KIND OF LEFT WITH SOMETHING THAT, THAT THEY MIGHT NOT WANT.

UH, GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN ON THAT.

UM, YEAH, SO, SO THIS IS JUST STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

UH, AS GIANNA SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE RECOMMENDING INITIAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH THAT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.

UM, ALSO AS GIANNA SAID, UM, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS COMMISSIONERS, VARIOUS COMMUNITIES MAY HAVE, UM, SORT OF ESTABLISHED INTERNAL POLICIES ON, ON WHEN THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING SOMETHING WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OR NOT.

UH, CITY STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A HARD AND FAST RULE OR POLICY, UM, ON, ON WHEN WE RECOMMEND AUTO RENEWAL OR NOT.

IT'S REALLY JUST A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL.

UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU AS THE COMMISSIONER AND YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, IF YOU WEREN'T COMFORTABLE, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AUTO RENEWAL TO CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, THEREFORE, MYSELF AND, UM, NEWER COMMISSIONERS, WHAT GOES IN THE DECISION FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UM, YEARS OF, OF ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS? WHAT GOES IN THAT DECISION MAKING? YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S REALLY JUST A, A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

UM, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY LIKE FORMAL GUIDANCE, UM, IN THIS CASE.

DO YOU KNOW WHY WE CHOSE THIS OR IS IT I'LL PASS THAT TO THE CASE PLANNER.

UM, I CHOSE TO GO WITH THE FIVE YEAR WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWAL BECAUSE I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OPPOSITION FROM THE COMMUNITY.

I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND THEN

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UM, SO IF HAD I HEARD ANYTHING NEGATIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY, THEN MAYBE I WOULD NOT HAVE SELECTED TO DO THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

HELLO.

WE ADDRESSED THIS A LITTLE BIT IN AN EMAIL, BUT TO, TO GET IT ON THE RECORD AT THE BRIEFING.

UM, THIS IS A BRAND NEW OPERATOR AND A BRAND NEW SUP.

THIS OPERATOR HAS NOT HAD AN SUP AT THIS LOCATION BEFORE YOU ARE CORRECT.

SO EVEN THOUGH AN SUP WAS REQUIRED FOR THIS USE, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WAS SOMEHOW ISSUED AN ERROR FOR THIS USE? THAT'S CORRECT.

THE CO WAS ISSUED AN ERROR FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.

AND SO THESE SU UH, SUP CONDITIONS, THESE ARE BRAND NEW CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

UH, CAN, I MEAN, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UM, CONDITIONS HERE THAT DON'T SEEM TO BE APPLYING TO, UH, THIS SORT OF USE.

I MEAN, IT SAYS IT REFERENCES A, A PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITY.

IT SAYS FIELD LIGHTING IS NOT PERMITTED.

UM, AND THEN THE HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH ARE, WHICH INCLUDE NO SATURDAY HOURS ARE VERY UNUSUAL FOR A, FOR A BAR.

WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE CONDITIONS WITH THE APPLICANT? YES.

AND SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS, UM, I STRIKED OUT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT PERTAIN TO THIS PARTICULAR USE, BUT I DID DISCUSS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT AND HE SAID THAT THESE ARE THE HOURS THAT HE WANTED TO, UM, OPERATE AT.

AND SO DID HE, WAS IT HE, DID HE ALSO HAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR THE REFERENCES TO FIELD LIGHTING AND PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITY? IT ALMOST LOOKS AS IF THIS SET OF CONDITIONS WAS ADAPTED FROM ANOTHER USE AND DIDN'T QUITE GET TO WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE.

NO, MA'AM.

HE COULD HAVE USED AN EXAMPLE AND MAYBE FORGOT TO SWAP OUT SOME WORDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT HE WILL BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

THAT WAY YOU CAN ASK HIM THOSE QUESTIONS.

I APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, FORESIGHT IS THE EXISTING, UH, THE, THE, YOU, YOU SAY THIS IS A NEW OPERATOR.

UH, THE, THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE, IS IT CURRENTLY BEING OPERATED AS A NIGHTCLUB OR AS A LOUNGE? I BELIEVE SO BECAUSE THEY WERE ISSUED A CO AND ERROR.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE TO GET THE SUP SO THAT THEY CAN LEGALLY OPERATE.

RATE.

EXPLAIN TO ME THAT AS THE CO WAS ISSUED AN ERROR, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.

UH, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? SO WHENEVER THEY WENT TO THE PERMIT CENTER TO GET A CO FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS, THEY ACTUALLY GOT THE CO FOR THE, THAT'S LOCATED NEXT DOOR INSTEAD OF THIS PARTICULAR ADDRESS.

SO THEY WAS OPERATING OFF OF A CO THAT DID NOT BELONG TO THIS PARTICULAR ADDRESS.

HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN OPERATING? UM, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THE SYSTEM AND SEE HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING.

WE CAN HAVE THAT THIS AFTERNOON.

SOME INSIGHT TO THAT.

I CAN GET SOME INSIGHT TO THAT.

UH, WITH THAT QUESTION, THEY ACTUALLY WAS ISSUED A TO ON JULY 11TH, UH, THE, THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESS CALLED I AND CONTACTED ME THEIR SUP FOR THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESS, SOME KIND OF WAY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, ATTACHED TO THAT BUSINESS.

BUT THEY HADN'T SAID THAT THEY NEEDED A SUP ALSO.

UM, THEY HAD WENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND, AND STATED THAT, THAT THE BUILDING WAS NOT NON-CONFORMING AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ALLOWED FOR THEM TO GO BACK UP UNDER THE PREVIOUS USE OF PD 5 9 5, UM, FOR THE AREA.

AND THEN IT TRIGGERED A SUP.

THEY, UH, THEY WERE, UM, WE WENT TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PUT THEIR CO ON HOLD, BUT SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO CLOSE, BUT THEY DID HAVE TO APPLY FOR A SUP.

THEY STARTED THIS PROCESS IN JULY AND THEY JUST GAVE THE PLANS TO THE PLANNER.

UM, THE COMPLETED PLANS LAST WEEK.

ALSO, THE C THE, THE, THAT PARTICULAR, UH, OPERATOR'S NOT TELLING THE TRUTH, THEY ARE OPEN MONDAY THROUGH, UH, SUNDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

SATURDAY IS THE DAY THAT THEY'RE REALLY OPEN.

UM, SO THEY'RE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS KZ 2 23 2 68.

THE RECORD WILL REFLECT THAT, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN WILL BE STEPPING BACK IN SHORTLY, TEXAS TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT.

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THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE A U SUBDISTRICT FOR FWMU FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE FORM DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED A DA DUPLEX SUBDISTRICT, A CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT, AND A PA PARKING SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.

UM, NUMBER TWO IS A SPECIFIC USE FIC COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE AND PROPERTY ZONED A CC SUBDISTRICT AND A DA SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD NUMBER 5 95 AND THREE, A SPECIFIC USE PERIMETER COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE ON PROPERTY ZONED A CC SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD NUMBER 5 95 IS GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, NORTHWEST OF PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE AND EAST OF JULIUS SHOPS.

UH, FREEWAY, APPROXIMATELY 7.88 ACRES.

THIS LOCATION MAP, THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS THE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, THE ZONING, UH, MAP, UH, SO TOWARDS THE NORTH IS AN R 7.5, A SUBDISTRICT AND A CC SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 95 TO THE NORTH IS AN, IS AN R FIVE A SUBDISTRICT AND A CCC SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 95.

TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST IS A DA SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 95.

TOWARDS THE NORTHWEST IS AN FWMU THREE SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 95.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST IS PD 5 97 SURROUNDED USES, UM, TOWARDS THE NORTH, UH, WEST IS A PERSONAL SERVICE, SINGLE FAMILY UNDEVELOPED GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE GREATER THAN 3000, UH, SQUARE 3,500 SQUARE FEET USE.

THERE'S ALSO A FIRE STATION AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH, UM, WEST, I MEAN TOWARDS THE SOUTHEAST IS SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH, UH, WEST IS SCHOOL TOWARDS THE SOUTH.

UH, WEST IS ALSO AN OFFICE BUILDING.

GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE LAWS IN 3000 SQUARE FEET AND THEN ALSO UNDEVELOPED LAND.

AND THEN IT'S TOWARDS THE NORTH, UM, WEST.

THERE'S A CHURCH UNDEVELOPED LAND, SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY AND CHILDCARE FACILITY.

AND THIS IS, UH, UH, ZOOMED IN OF THE ACTUAL, UH, AREA OF REQUEST.

SO THE AREA REQUEST CONSISTS OF, UH, CC, UH, TOWARDS A, ACROSS MARTIN LUTHER KING.

AND THEN, UM, BETWEEN MARTIN LUTHER KING AND, UM, UH, SHARE, UH, HARDWOOD.

IT'S, UH, THAT SIDE ITSELF IS, UH, TO, UH, SONYS, WHICH IS, UH, A CC AND A PA DISTRICT.

AND THEN ACROSS, UM, IS, UH, ALSO A CC AND A DA, UM, DISTRICT.

SO, UH, THE AREA OF REQUEST, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER ONE, IS THE WHOLE ENTIRE SIDE, UM, THAT IS IN RED.

SO THE WHOLE ENTIRE SQUARE, WHICH IS SUB AREA A AND SUB AREA B, A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR AN FWMU FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE.

SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REDEVELOP THE SITE WITH A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AS DEFINED IN THE PROPOSED PD CONDITIONS.

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE AREA CIRCLED IN GREEN.

IT'S AN SUP FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE, UM, TO FACILITATE THE RENOVATIONS OF THE FOREST THEATER.

UH, SO THAT SIDE, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY BETWEEN PENNSYLVANIA AND UH, PEABODY AVENUE.

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE AREA, UM, HISTORICAL IN BLUE, WHICH IS AN SUP FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE ON THE NORTH AND WEST OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, TO FACILITATE THE RENOVATION OF THE FOREST THEATER.

SO THAT SIDE IS BETWEEN, UH, IT'S ON THE WEST CORNER OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD.

SO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, BOTH ITEM NUMBER TWO AND ITEM NUMBER THREE ARE IN SUB AREA B, BUT ITEM NUMBER TWO IS TRACK TWO AND TRACK THREE.

AND ITEM NUMBER THREE IS TRACK ONE.

AND THEN, UM, SO THE SUB AREA A IS THE SIDE WITH THE PERFORMING ARTS AS DEFINED IN THE PROPOSED PD CONDITION.

UH, PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IS A USE THAT OPERATES AS A THEATER, COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT

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INSIDE RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE IN AN OFFICE, AS THOSE USES ARE DEFINED IN ARTICLE FOUR OF CHAPTER 51 A OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT, UH, CODE.

AND THEN, UM, THIS IS THE SIDE PLAN FOR THE SUP NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS ALONG, UM, PEABODY AND PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, WHICH IS THE, AS MENTIONED, THE AREA IN GREEN.

AND THEN ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE SUP FOR THE, UH, THE STIPEND FOR THE SUP NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE AREA IN BLUE.

THAT AREA, UM, DOES HAVE ON THAT CORNER OF SOUTH, UH, RIGHT, UM, FREEWAY AND MARTIN LUTHER KING, THERE IS A CONVENIENCE STORE.

UH, CURRENTLY THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THAT BUILDING IN THERE.

SO THAT IS GONNA BE OUT.

UM, SO THE OTHER TWO AREAS TOWARDS THE NORTH AND THE WEST, THAT IS THE AREA THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE, THE PARKING.

AND THEN, UM, SO FORM DISTRICT, UM, FORM BASED ZONING DIFFERS FROM A TRADITIONAL ZONING.

UM, SO IN THAT THE GENERAL STANDARDS, UH, FOR TRADITIONAL FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE, SO THE FORM DISTRICT FOCUSES PRIMARILY ON THE FORM OF THE BUILDING.

AND THE TRADITIONAL ZONING, UM, FOCUSES MORE ON THE ATTENDANT LAND USE.

SO THE DESIRED FORM OF BUILDING SPECIFICALLY MORE URBAN AND STYLE CHARACTERIZED BY MULTIPLE, UH, STORIES OUT FRONT OF SIDE, CLOSER TO THE STREET, AND THEN IT COMBINES THEAND OR STREET FRANCHISE TRANSPARENCY, BUILDING ARTICULATION AND PROJECTION AMENITIES.

AND THEN IT ALSO IS INTENDED TO INTERACTIVITY, STREAK SCAPE THAT ENCOURAGES PROJECTION ACTIVITY AND SCREEN PARKING.

IT BENEFITS THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, INCLUDE ADDITIONAL BUILDING AREA, INCREASED TIDE DENSITY AND FLOOR AREA, AND REDUCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ENCOURAGE YOU ON MULTIPLE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION.

INFORMED DISTRICTS ARE INTENDED FOR NEIGHBORHOODS WITH DENT AND CHARACTER AND, UH, HIGH WALKABILITY.

SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A TRADITIONAL, UH, ZONING, UH, DISTRICT.

IT HAS ITS STREETS, UH, THE, IF IT'S A CORNER LOT OR INTERIOR LOT, IT HAS ITS, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK, CORNER SETBACK, RARE SETBACK AND SIDE, UM, YARD SETBACKS.

AND THEN SOMETIMES IT DOES HAVE, UM, ALLEYS ARE THERE FOR AN URBAN PLAN.

AND THIS IS MOSTLY BASICALLY ON THE DEVELOPMENT TYPE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, WHICH IS MU MIXED USED.

SO THE USES THAT TENDS TO BE FOR AN MU FOR THE FIRST FLOOR IS USUALLY A CIVIC PLACE OF WORSHIP, OFFICE, RETAIL AND SERVICE AND ENTERTAINMENT.

AND THEN, UM, FROM THE SECOND FLOOR TO THE UPPER FLOORS, IT TENDS TO BE FOR RESIDENTIAL, CIVIC, PLACE OF WORSHIP, OFFICE SERVICE, AND ENTERTAINMENT AND COMMERCE.

AND THEN, UH, FOR THE PLA UH, FOR THE PLACEMENT FOR A FORM DISTRICT, IT DOES, UH, BASE IT ON THE PRIMARY STREETS AND SIDE STREETS.

SO FOR THE SIDE STREET, IT TENDS TO HAVE A STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT OF MINIMUM 40% FROM SETBACK AREA, MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET, AND THEN MAXED, UH, 15 FEET.

AND THEN SIDE SETBACK DOES VARY FOR THE PRIMARY STREETS.

UM, IT DOES REQUIRE STREET FINDERS TO BE MINIMUM 90%.

AND THEN FRONT SETBACK AREA, MINIMUM FIVE, MAXIMUM 15.

AND THEN, UM, IT DOES ALSO HAVE A PARKING SETBACK FOR THE PRIMARY IS 30 FEET, AND THEN FOR THE SIDE STREET IS FIVE FEET.

AND THEN, UM, THOSE CAN GO MORE IN DETAIL.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, SORRY, HOLD ON.

SO, UM, LIKE THE, TO SEE THE, THE VARIANCE, UM, BETWEEN THE BASE MU AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, IT COULD BE IN PAGE EIGHT, UH, 26 OF THE REPORT.

AND THEN, UH, FOR THE HIDE, UM, THE BUILDING HIDE DOES VARY.

UM, IT DOES HAVE, UH, FOR GROUND STORY HIDE A MINIMUM OF 1530, UH, FOOT MAX.

AND THEN UPPER STORIES, UM, HEIGHT ARE BETWEEN A, UH, THE PRIME IS 10 MINIMUM AND 15 FEET MAX.

AND THEN, UM, FOR THE ELEMENTS, UM, ENTRANCE SPACING BETWEEN, UM, THE DOORS, UM, PRIMARY STREET IS A HUNDRED FOOT MAX.

THEN THERE'S ALSO A BLANK WALL REQUIREMENT, UH, FOUR PRIMARY STREET, THE MAX IS 20 FEET.

AND THEN FOR GROUND STORAGE TRANSPARENCY FOR PRIMARY IS 50%, SIDE STREET IS 25%.

AND THEN FOR THE UPPER TRANSPARENCY, PRIMARY STREETS ARE 20%, AND SIDE STREETS ARE 20% AS LONG.

AND THEN THESE ARE SOME CHARACTER EXAMPLES OF AN MU DEVELOPMENT TYPE.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT TYPES THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING WITHIN, UM, THE DISTRICT.

SO A MIXED USE SHOP FROM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, MADE AND

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TYPE INTENDED PROMPTLY FOR GROUND STORY, RETO AND UPPER STORE RESIDENTIAL OR OFFICE USE.

AND THEN THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING AN OPEN SPACE LAW DEVELOPMENT TYPE FOR A PORTION OF SUB AREA A, THIS DEVELOPMENT TYPE IS LOCATED AND DIS DESIGNATED TO ACCOMMODATE CIVIC OPEN SPACE OR NATURAL AREA WORTHY OF PRESERVATION.

AND THEN, UM, SO THIS IS SUB AREA A, SO THE AREA IN PING IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BE THE DEVELOPMENT MIX USE SHOPFRONT DEVELOPMENT TYPE.

AND THEN THE AREA IN GRADE, WHICH IS A LONG PEABODY.

UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, OPEN SPACE LOT, UH, DEVELOPMENT TYPE AS SUPPOSE.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS OF THE SITE ON SITE LOOKING NORTH ACROSS, UH, MARTHA AND LUTHER KING.

AND THEN ON SITE LOOKING NORTHEAST ON SIDE, LOOKING NORTHEAST ON PEABODY, LOOKING NORTHWEST ON PEABODY, I MEAN LOOKING NORTHWEST ON HARDWOOD AVENUE, LOOKING NORTHEAST.

AND THEN ON, ON THIS ONE I DID GO, UH, IT WAS A FEW MONTHS AGO.

UM, HOWEVER, NOW, UM, HARDWOOD AVENUE, THEY ACTUALLY TEXTED ACTUALLY, UM, MADE IT INTO A DEAD END SO IT DOESN'T, UH, GO TOWARDS THE MARTIN LUTHER KING ANYMORE.

AND THEN ON PEABODY AVENUE, LOOKING SOUTHEAST ON PEABODY, UH, LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

AND I BELIEVE, UH, THIS BUILDING, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, DEMOLISHED OR IS NO LONGER THERE ON HARDWOOD AVENUE AS WELL.

THAT'S THE BUILDING, UH, LOOKING SOUTHEAST ON HARDWOOD LOOKING NORTHEAST.

LOOKING NORTHEAST LOOKING, SO LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST ON HARWOOD, ON HARWOOD LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTH SURROUNDING USES ON SIDE LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING EAST.

AND THEN, UM, CRITICAL ANALYSIS, THE AREA REQUEST IS WITHIN THE PROXIMITY OF AN EXISTING FORM DISTRICT TO THE IMMEDIATE NORTHWEST AND WEST OF JULIUS SHEP'S FREEWAY.

AND OVER 130 ACRE TRACT OF WMU THREE ZONING EXISTS ADJACENT TO SUBJECT SIDE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.

AND SO THE WHOLE ENTIRE, UM, AREA IN YELLOW IS THE EXISTING, UM, DISTRICT.

UM, AND THEN WITHIN THAT AREA THERE'S AN AREA IN BLUE, WHICH IS ALONG MARTIN LUTHER KING, WHICH IS A SHOPFRONT, UM, DEVELOPMENT TYPE.

SO THE ASSUMPTION OF A WM DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE OF JULIA, SHE'S FREEWAY WILL CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD LINKAGE WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE FREEWAY AND THE REST OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR QUARTER TO THE NORTHEAST.

AS, UH, WE ARE AWARE THOSE FREEWAYS THAT WERE DEVELOPED, UH, DID, UM, BREAK THAT LINKAGE A FEW, UH, COUPLE YEARS AGO.

UH, SO CREATING THIS NEW W UH, WMU UH, DISTRICT, UM, WHICH IS THE SITE OF THE FOREST THEATER, WE WILL CONNECT, UM, THE DISTRICTS TO, TO THE EAST AND TO FOREST TO WEST.

AND THEN, UM, SO THE SITE IS WITHIN THE, THE 360 PLAN.

SO THE SITE IS WITHIN THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK, UM, WHICH ON THE EAST OF DOWNTOWN, THE PROPOSAL DOES MEET THE PLAN STRATEGY TO BUILD COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS, PROMOTE GRADE PLACEMAKING, ADVANCED URBAN MOBILITY.

AND THEN IT IS ALSO WITHIN THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NORTH TRINITY FOREST DISTRICT, AND IN THE PROPOSAL MEANS THE PLAN OBJECTIVES TO CREATE A VIBRANT CENTRAL CITY AND HAS CITY'S URBAN FORM TO INCREASE THE APPEAL OF URBAN LIFE.

AND THEN IT IS ALSO WITHIN THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORRIDOR PLAN.

THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AREA CORRIDOR, AND THE DEVELOPMENT MEETS THE PLAN.

OBJECTIVES OF HOLISTIC STRATEGY IMPROVE BASIC ATTRIBUTES, WHICH ARE THE URBAN DESIGN WILL MAINTAIN BUILDINGS AND ACCESS TO GOODS AND SERVICES, AND IT ENCOURAGES CORRIDOR REINVESTMENT AND THEN STAFF CONSIDERATION.

UM, WE DO A STAFF DOES RECOMMEND, UH, THE REQUEST TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES.

UH, IT IS A MIXED USE FORM AND, UH, THE MIX USE FORM ARE INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE A MIX OF COMPATIBLE USES, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL AND, UM, COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING NO PARKING REQUIREMENT AS IT TO GENERATING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND ACHIEVING URBAN DESIGN GOALS IN A WALKABLE AND TRANSIT REACH AREAS.

AND IT ALSO CREATES A WALKABLE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD FOR HIGHER DENSITY.

UM, HOUSING WILL PROMOTE LESS DEPENDENCY ON AUTOMOBILE

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AND STA STATS.

RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, ONE APPROVAL OF A NEW DISTRICT FOR F WM U FIVE DISTRICT USES SUBJECT TO SUB AREA MAP EXHIBIT AND STATUTES, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

NUMBER TWO, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE, PRIMARY FAIR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD.

SUBJECT TWO, A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS, AND THREE APPROVAL, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER? GOOD MORNING.

UM, WAS THE UPDATED WITH THE, WITH, UM, WHAT WE'RE INCLUDING IN THIS, UM, STAFF REPORT, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT WAS WANTING? UM, UH, ESPECIALLY PERTAINING TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE, THEY UPDATED THAT, YES.

UM, MAYBE MONDAY OR TUESDAY THAT THEY, UM, I HAVE, IT WAS THE QUESTION, IF THE STAFF REPORT INCLUDES THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL USES, YES.

THEY ACTUALLY STRUCK TWO DIFFERENT THINGS OFF.

UM, THEY SENT IT TO ME MONDAY, UM, AFTER CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL.

LEMME MAKE SURE, UM, I KNOW STAFF REC, THERE WAS TWO, WERE THE TWO TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY WERE AGAINST ORIGINALLY WAS THE PARKING, UM, NO, UM, MINIMUM USE OF PARKING FROM PARKING AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THEY THERE, THE PARKING, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS, IT WAS ALONG WITH WHAT THE, WHAT THE SOUTH DALLAS PD 5 9 5 IS MOVING TOWARD.

AND I THINK THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT, BUT THEY WERE NOT OKAY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, USE AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY SENT IT TO STRIKE IT OUT.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER WILLER, THESE SOUND LIKE THEY MIGHT BE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.

UM, BUT THE CASE REPORT THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE DOCKET LAST FRIDAY, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS TO NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, AND THEN ALSO TO REQUIRE PARKING, UM, FOR, FOR THESE USES.

UM, IF THAT HAS CHANGED BETWEEN, UH, WHEN THE DOCKET WAS PUBLISHED AND NOW, UH, THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION, UH, IF A MOTION IS MADE TODAY.

SO I THINK THAT WHAT THEY, I THINK THE PARKING THAT THEY CAME, THAT THE PARKING, THEY WERE OKAY ONCE WITH THE EXPLANATION WAS HAD, UM, ON WHY THAT YOU ALL WERE MOVING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANNA OFFEND THE COMMUNITY ON THE PARKING.

BUT ONCE WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE REASONING FOR THE PARKING AT PD 5, 9 5 AREA PLAN IS ASKING FOR NO MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN, IN THAT AREA.

BUT THE RESIDENTIAL THEY DID, UM, WE SENT THAT OVER, WE TALKED BEFORE WE TALKED, AND THEY SENT OVER THAT TO BE STRIKED OUT.

I, THEY, THEY SENT IT TO ME, SO I, I DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T SEND IT TO STAFF ALSO, BUT YEAH, YEAH, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING.

I'M NOT AWARE IF THE APPLICANT DID OR NOT.

UM, THE, THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL AS PUBLISHED IN THE DOCKET IS AS LILIANA JUST PRESENTED, IS, UH, STILL TO PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL USES.

UM, AND IT'S ALSO TO REQUIRE PARKING FOR THE USE.

UM, IF, UH, THE COMMISSION WANTED TO TODAY, UM, NOT FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, WE CAN GET DANIEL TO HELP YOU OUT WITH A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.

I'M GONNA FORWARD IT TO YOLANDA SO SHE CAN FORWARD IT TO THAT WOULD BE GOOD AS WELL.

REASON THAT THEY DO THE PD IS SO THAT THEY CAN, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE DIFFICULTIES WITH PD 5 95 AND THE LIMITATIONS, AND BECAUSE WE, THE COMMUNITY KNEW THAT THEY WERE ACQUIRING MORE LAND, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR THEM, FOR US NOT TO HAVE TO RESTRICT RESIDENTIAL AT THIS TIME, THAT THEY COULD OPEN UP THEIR, OPEN UP THAT PD BACK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT INCLUDE THE OTHER USES THAT THEY WANT AND TO MAKE IT EASIER, UM, FOR THEM TO WORK WITH US IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, ALSO, UM, AND CAN YOU GIMME THE REASON THAT STAFF DID NOT, UM, UH, ADVISED IN THIS DIRECTION FOR A SUBDISTRICT IN PD 5 9 5 INSTEAD OF A SEPARATE PD? YES, BECAUSE, UM, SO THE SUVS, UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO JUST, UM, HAVE THE COMMERCIAL PARKING WHILE THE THEATER IS IN RENOVATION, AND THEN JUST LATER ON THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO NEW USES.

RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T KNOW THE, THE LAND USE, THEREFORE WE DID RECOMMEND FOR THEM TO, ALL INCLUDED WITHIN THE PD, UM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 95.

UM, SO IT'LL BE THE FIRST SUBDISTRICT.

UM, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE INCLUDING THAT AND THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY ARE ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL LAND, UM, THAT THEY WILL BE INCLUDING IN, WITHIN THIS SUBDISTRICT, UM, THAT THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE RECOMMENDED FOR THE SUVS TO BE WITHIN, UH, THIS SUBDISTRICT, NO, OH, IT'S NOT THE SUBDISTRICT.

SO YOU, AT THE, I THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATION STAFF WAS TO CREATE A SUBDISTRICT INSTEAD OF A NEW PD, AND WHAT WAS THAT AND THE REASONING FOR THAT? YES.

UM, BECAUSE THE THEATER IS A BIG LANDMARK, UH, FOR THAT COMMUNITY, AND BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PD 5, 9 5, WE DIDN'T WANNA TAKE THAT LANDMARK AWAY FROM THE PD 5 95.

WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR TO DO THEM WAS TO DO A PD? AND THE

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JUST AS A, AS A FUNCTIONAL CLARIFICATION, I, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOU'LL HAVE A VERY SIMILAR EFFECT OF HAVING IT AS A SUBDISTRICT VERSUS HAVING IT AS A FULL PD.

UM, YOU'LL HAVE A FUNCTIONALLY SIMILAR EFFECT IF IT COMES TO WHETHER THAT'S AMENDING TO PUT RESIDENTIAL USES LATER.

UM, WHETHER IT'S PROVIDING RELIEF FROM THE USE OR THE, UM, ANY DIFFICULTIES OF PD 5 9 5.

I, I DO THINK THAT WE'VE OVERCOME ANY DEVELOPMENT DIFFICULTIES OF 5 9 5 WITH THE WAY THE TEXT IS WRITTEN.

AND I FEEL STRONGLY IT'LL BE, IT'S I PD A DIFFERENT PD OR AN INDIVIDUAL PD IS A DIFFERENT APPROACH, BUT I, I THINK WE'VE OVERCOME THOSE DIFFICULTIES AND YOU'LL HAVE A SIMILAR EFFECT IF YOU DO COME BACK TO MODIFY IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO WHEN THIS APPLICANT COMES BACK TO MODIFY, WILL THEY HAVE, UM, WILL THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR DIFFERENT ZONING PER U PER PER PER UM, PARCEL, OR WILL THEY BE ABLE, OR AND THEN THAT WOULD MAKE THEM HAVE TO MODIFY, CONTINUE TO MODIFY THEIR SUBDISTRICT? AND, AND, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS PD IS PD 5 9 5 IS ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT PDS IN AND, AND KNOWING THE AREA, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR A NEW PD, WHICH IS NOT HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

I DEFINITELY DON'T HIGHLY RECOMMEND THEM ALL THE TIME, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE WE KNEW AND THEIR PROPERTIES ARE CONTINUING AND THEY'RE KIND OF ENCLOSED BETWEEN TWO FREEWAYS AND IT WAS THEM, THEY KIND OF SIT ALONE IN A WAY.

I GOTCHA.

YEAH, I, WELL, TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, UM, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IF THEY STILL OWN OR HAVE SOME SORT OF SIGNATURE AUTHORITY FOR THE OTHER PARCELS, IT'S REALLY AS SIMPLE AS ANOTHER REZONING KEPT OPEN IT UP TO AMEND THE SUBDISTRICT, KEPT, DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO IF NECESSARY.

UM, WHICH WOULD BE BASICALLY THE SAME CASE IF IT WERE AN INDIVIDUAL PD.

UH, BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT'S SINGLED OUT AS A SUBDISTRICT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO PARCEL BY PARCEL FOR ANY FUTURE REZONING.

UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT IT'S, SO IT IS A BALANCE OF, UM, MAINTAINING SOME OF THE ESTABLISHED NORMS OF, OF NOT JUST THE PD 5 95, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BUT ALSO OBVIOUSLY OVERCOMING SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT DIFFICULTIES OF PD 5 95.

AND I THINK THAT WE HOPEFULLY NEGATED AS MANY OF THOSE AS WE COULD IN A THOROUGH REVIEW OF 5 9 5.

UM, SO IT, IT REMAINS THERE, UM, WITHOUT CREATING A, A PD DONUT HOLE, BUT I, I THINK IT RESOLVES THE DIFFICULTIES THEY WOULD FACE.

UM, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT KIND OF BUILDS ON A CONSISTENT CONNECTION TO ZONING SOUTH OF 45, NORTH OF 45.

I HOPE IT CAN BRIDGE THAT, UM, AS BEST AS IT CAN IN A REGULATORY SENSE.

AND ONE MORE THING.

WILL THIS SUBDISTRICT ALLOW FOR ALCOHOL, UH, UM, ANY A KINDA ALCOHOL USE? YES.

IT WOULD NOT PROHIBIT, IT WOULD NOT PROHIBIT THAT.

SO IT COULD BE IN A RESTAURANT OR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT IS ANOTHER USE IN THE, YEAH.

SO WITHIN THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER CUSTOM USE THAT'S BEING ADDED TO THE SUBDISTRICT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT IS, UH, PROPOSED TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, UM, WITHIN SUB AREA A ELSEWHERE IN THIS PROPOSED SUBDISTRICT.

GIMME ONE SECOND.

IS THAT NOT BUT CAN WE BY RIGHT.

AND AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS THAT THE COMMUNITY BY RIGHT, WITH THE RESTAURANTS ARE OKAY, BUT SEPARATE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE, LIKE BREW AND WINE STORES, LIQUOR STORES, IS THAT THEY DON'T WANT THAT.

BUT WITH THE, WITH THE ACCESSORY USE, IN A SENSE, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH.

THE, THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THE USE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, IS WITHIN SUB AREA A.

SO THE, THE, UM, PARCEL WHERE THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER USE IS.

UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE REMAINDER OF THE SUBDISTRICT, UM, IT WOULD BE, AND THERE'S A TYPO IN THE CASE REPORT.

I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT.

UM, IT WOULD BE PERMITTED, BUT ONLY BY SUP AND ONLY ON THE GROUND STORY OF ANY, UM, MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS.

AND LIQUOR STORE IS NOT A, A SUBSET OF THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER USE

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QUESTIONS.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, SUB AREA B WHERE IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL MAIN USES ARE PRINTED IN THE SUBDISTRICT COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE BY SUP.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UM, I THINK WE HEARD SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THIS IS A, UM, ICONIC LANDMARK FOR THIS COMMUNITY, UM, PREVIOUSLY WAS CONSIDERED FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY DISCUSSION? I I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE CONDITIONS THAT RESPONDS TO THAT.

AND, AND THE ROLE THAT THE, THAT THE STRUCTURE THAT ITS TOWER HAVE PLAYED, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN THESE, UM, CRAFTING THIS NEW SUBDISTRICT? UM, WE TALKED MR. BALDWIN IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE THE APPLICANT'S GONNA HAVE SOMEONE COME TO SPEAK TO THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING FOR A CITY LANDMARK BECAUSE IT WILL LIMIT THEM TO A MUSEUM, BUT THEY ARE GOING FOR A FEDERAL LANDMARK.

SO, SO THEY DON'T, SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE HERE THAT'S GONNA SPEAK TO THE REASONING THAT IS THE WAY IT IS.

AND I WILL, UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I DON'T THINK THAT MR. BALDWIN WILL, WILL BE SURPRISED BY MY QUESTION EITHER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, .

I'M THINKING THAT THAT'S THE REASON THAT YEAH, THERE ARE NO SURPRISES LEFT.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

IT SAYS IT MEANS A USE THAT OPERATES AS A THEATER, COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER, ALCOHOL, BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, COMMERCIAL, AMUSEMENT INSIDE RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH AND OFFICE AS THOSE USES ARE DEFINED, ET CETERA.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT THIS PERFORMING ARTS CENTER HAS TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE USES, UM, TO BE CONSIDERED A PERFORMING ARTS CENTER OR CAN IT INCLUDE THOSE USES, THE, UM, CONJUNCTION THERE AT THE END OF ALL THOSE USES IS AND RATHER THAN, OR SO, UM, SO AS IT'S PUBLISHED IN THE DOCKET THAT IS CORRECT, IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE USES IN COMBINATION TO MEET THAT DEFINITION, BUT IS THAT THE INTENTION OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ALL OF THOSE THINGS OR, UH, I THINK, UM, THE INTENTION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE ALL THAT, UM, AND MAYBE IT SHOULD BE OR, UM, BUT IT IS IN A AREA THAT IS NOW KIND OF OUR SUB IS OUR PERFORMING ARTS DISTRICT.

UM, THE SCHOOL, THE DISD SCHOOL IS, WE KINDA CONSIDER IT THE BABY BISHOP ARTS, UH, BISHOP, UH, ARTS THEATER? NO.

WHAT'S THE SCHOOL YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, I'M SORRY.

UM, I KNOW THE PERFORMANCE ARE SCHOOL DOWNTOWN BOOKER T WASHINGTON.

SO IT'S, IT'S CONSIDERED THE BABY BOOKER T WASHINGTON.

UM, ALSO WITH, UM, ST.

PHILIP'S IS ALSO, UM, THERE'S A BLACK BOX.

WE APPROVED A BLACK BOX EARLIER FOR THE, FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING, UM, DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.

UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A, IT'S A MAGNET OF SORT, UM, IT'S A PERFORMANCE ART.

SO THAT WHOLE DISTRICT IS KIND OF THE PERFORMANCE ART DISTRICT OF SOUTH DALLAS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN WITH THE OR BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT MEET SOME OF THOSE, UM, TO GIVE THEM A WAY OUT.

SO MAYBE THE OR NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED.

YEAH, THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.

'CAUSE YOU, MY, MY QUESTION WAS, I MEAN, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION BEHIND WHAT THE, THE THEATER IS SUPPOSED TO BE REDEVELOPED AS.

I JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO GET HUNG UP ON, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ALL OF THOSE USES DIDN'T HAPPEN TO OCCUR WITHIN THAT THEATER, YOU KNOW, WOULD THEY NOT QUALIFY AS A CONFORMING ARTS CENTER? DEFINITELY WE, WE, WE SHOULD VISIT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY LOOKED AT THE, AND THEY JUST KNEW THAT THEY WAS BRINGING THAT.

SO MAYBE THAT AND OR MIGHT, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THEM TO GET HOOKED UP IN THE FUTURE OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICE TO INTERPRET SOMETHING .

YEAH, AND, UM, SPEAKING FROM THE STAFF SIDE, I MEAN, I, WE, WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF, OF THE USE.

HOWEVER IT IS, I MEAN, THIS IS AN AWESOME PROJECT.

UM, IT'S JUST SO MUCH OF THIS CASE HAS BEEN LOGISTICS, UM, WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEFINITION, UM, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED TO THE REPRESENTATIVE AND, UH, THEY'RE EXPERIENCING GETTING, UH, CFOS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO SORT OF HELP US CRAFT, UH, THE LANGUAGE OF THAT USE.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT IS WHAT IT IS.

UM, BUT UM, YEAH, IF, IF IT NEEDS TO BE EDITED OR THE CONJUNCTION CHANGED OR WHATEVER, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF.

SO WE DON'T RUN ISSUES.

AND IF I PIGGYBACK ON THAT, MY CONCERN WITH ADDING, CHANGING THAT CONJUNCTION TO AN OR, IS THAT I THINK IT WOULD ALLOW AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT BY ITSELF BY, RIGHT.

AND SO I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION, IT NEEDS TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S A COMBINATION OF THESE USES.

WELL, I LEAVE THAT TO LEGAL.

I'M SO SORT OUT.

I JUST HAD THE QUESTION.

UM, UH,

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BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE FWMU FIVE FORM SUBDISTRICT IS THAT COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE IS ALREADY JUST, THAT IS PART OF IT.

UH, IT IT'S ALLOWED BY SUP.

WAS THERE SOME REASON FOR SPELLING THAT OUT? YEAH, SO, UM, , UH, COMMISSIONER WILLER KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS WITH ONE OF HER EARLIER QUESTIONS.

THERE'S UH, DEFINITELY A POINT TO BE MADE HERE ABOUT, UM, HOW THE, UH, SEVERAL MANY, UM, OVERLAPPING LAYERS OF ZONING REGULATIONS IN DALLAS CAN CONTRIBUTE TO, UM, LOGISTICAL, UH, PROBLEMS LIKE THIS.

UM, TRYING TO CHOOSE MY WORDS CAREFULLY.

SO ARE WE LOOKING FOR ABSOLUTE CLARITY? YES.

SO, SO YOU KNOW, WE SPENT I I, I THINK 10 PAGES OF THE 60 PAGE CASE REPORT EXPLAINING JUST WHAT USES WOULD BE PERMITTED IN A SUBDISTRICT LIKE THIS IN 5 95.

UM, SO WE DID ALL THAT 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO LAY IT ALL OUT THERE, BUT THEN BEYOND THAT WE WANTED TO HARD CODE IN, UM, THE VERY SPECIFIC USES SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, HOW THOSE WOULD BE PERMITTED.

UH, AS COMMISSIONER WHEELER SAID, JUST IN CASE THERE IS, UM, VARYING INTERPRETATIONS AT AT PERMITTING.

ALRIGHT, WELL A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS IN THE CHART.

UM, WHEN IT WAS SPELLING OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, FWMU FIVE AND THE DIFFERENT SUBDISTRICTS, UM, UNDER OFFICE IN THEATER, IT SAID BY RIGHT IN SUBDISTRICT A ONLY, BUT IN BASE CODE F WMU FIVE, OFFICE AND THEATER ARE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO ALLOW OFFICE IN THEATER BY RIGHT IN SUBDISTRICT TWO, THEN I THINK THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ADDED THERE.

YEAH, THAT IS, UM, THE TYPO I MENTIONED EARLIER, I NOTICED THAT YESTERDAY, UH, AT FOUR 30 REVIEWING THIS CASE REPORT.

UM, I GOT A LITTLE FIXATED, UH, IN MY EDITING ON THE TWO DIFFERENT SUB AREAS, UM, FOR OFFICE, UM, BECAUSE IT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN A STRAIGHT F WM, U FIVE MM-HMM, , UM, IT WOULD ALSO BE PERMITTED BY W, RIGHT IN BOTH SUB AREAS, A AND B.

UM, IT'S ONLY IN SUB AREA A WHERE WE ARE HARD CODING IT AS BEING PERMITTED BY WRIGHT, UM, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER CUSTOM DEFINITION.

AND THE SAME FOR, UM, ANY OF THOSE OTHER USES IN THAT FINAL, UH, USE COMPARISON CHART, UM, WHERE THERE ARE STRIKETHROUGHS IN THE SECOND AND THIRD COLUMN.

THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'LL BE CORRECTING WHEN, UH, WHEN AND IF THIS CASE GOES TO COUNSEL.

THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR ME.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AWESOME JOB.

WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOME, UH, CLARITY ON THE WORDING FOR THAT MR. MOORE FOR THE HEARING.

WE'LL GET SOME CLARITY ON THE WORDING FROM YOU, SIR.

YES, I WILL WORK WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

THANK YOU SIR.

IS DAVID HERE? DAVID, ARE YOU WITH US? HE WAS, WE'LL KEEP GOING.

WE'LL FIND HIM.

WE'LL GET A CASE NUMBER NINE.

COMMISSIONERS.

MR. MR. BATE? GOOD MORNING, SIR.

OH, THERE HE IS.

WHAT WAS THE QUESTION FOR DAVID? IS IT, I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE FOR HIM, SO WE WERE JUST KIND OF ADJUSTING FOR HIM.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS CASE Z 2 2 3 3 0 5.

I'M MARTIN BATE AND SHARE THE SCREEN REAL QUICK.

EXCELLENT.

ALRIGHT, THIS IS, UH, PLEASE STOP.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT USES, AND TWO, THE TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS AS AMENDED Z SEVEN TWO DASH 2 69 ON PROPERTY ZONE TO GOA GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF LBJ FREEWAY BETWEEN NOELL ROAD AND MONTFORD DRIVE AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 8.6 ACRES IN SIZE HERE.

WE SEE IT IN THE NORTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

IT'S RIGHT THERE, UH, ALONG 6 35 IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE GALLERIA

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AREA, OR AS THEY NOW CALL IT THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT.

UH, HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT SITE.

YOU SEE LBJ TO THE NORTH AND HERE'S A ZONING MAP SHOWING SOME OF THE SURROUNDING USES.

UH, TO THE NORTH IS PD 8 87, THAT'S PART OF THAT GALLERIA INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, UH, AREA.

THE SUBJECT SITE CURRENTLY ZONED GOA, IT'S DEVELOPED WITH OFFICE BUILDINGS.

THEY ARE VACANT.

UH, WHEN I WENT ON MY SITE VISIT, THERE WERE A SMATTERING OF CARS THERE, PRESUMABLY PEOPLE TAKING PHONE CALLS OF SORTS TO THIS IMMEDIATE SOUTH IS AN MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND TO THE WEST IS AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT THAT HAS A VARIETY OF USES.

I BELIEVE THE MAIN THING IS A HOTEL, BUT THERE WAS ALSO SORT OF A, KINDA LIKE A DISTRIBUTION CENTER LOOKING THING FOR SOME SORT OF COURIER SERVICE.

AND THEN TO THE EAST ARE BOTH IN U2 MIXED USE DISTRICT AND AN MC ONE, UH, MIXED COMMERCIAL I BELIEVE IT IS, UH, THAT HAD A VARIETY OF RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE TYPE USES.

AS MENTIONED, IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THREE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND A PARKING GARAGE.

THE OFFICES ARE VACANT AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PRIMARILY RELATED TO SETBACKS, DENSITY, FLOOR AREA RATIO, HEIGHT DESIGN STANDARDS, AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY, THE DEVELOPERS PROPOSING RETROFITTING THE EXISTING 10 STORY OFFICE BUILDING IS MULTIFAMILY AND THEN DEMOLISHING THE TWO OTHER BUILDINGS AND REPLACING WITH ADDITIONAL MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

UH, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY'RE REQUESTING A PD WITH MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THE PD INCLUDES CONDITIONS TO TRIGGER THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS WITH THE SITE PHOTOS WE'LL START TO THE WESTERN PART OF THE SITE.

THIS IS ON LBJ AND NOELLE LOOKING NORTHWEST AWAY FROM THE SITE AND LOOKING WEST FROM THE SITE TOWARDS, AGAIN, I MENTIONED THAT SORT OF DISTRIBUTION CENTER LOOKING THING.

IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL DC BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A LARGE WAREHOUSE.

AGAIN, SOME SORT OF COURIER SERVICE.

THEN LOOKING SOUTHEAST TOWARDS THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE SHORTER OF THE THREE BUILDINGS IN THE FOREGROUND, WELL IN THE FOUR OF THE BACKGROUND.

AND THEN AGAIN A LITTLE CLOSER, THEN GOING DOWN NOELLE ROAD LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE SITE.

AND HERE'S AT THE TAIL END OR THE BOTTOM END OF THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GARAGE IS THERE IN THE CENTER OF THE PHOTO.

UH, THEN THERE'S THIS SORT OF ACCESS DRIVEWAY THAT GOES INTO THE GARAGE AND THEN THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE, IT'S TO THE SOUTH, BUT IT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PHOTO.

HERE WE ARE ON LBJ FREEWAY LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT AND LOOKING NORTHEAST AGAIN, IN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PHOTO YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING SHORTER BUILDING IN THE EXISTING 10 STORY BUILDING, LOOKING SOUTHEAST TOWARDS TWO OF THE BUILDINGS, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING WEST, THEN LOOKING SOUTHEAST DIRECTLY AT THAT 10 STORY BUILDING THAT WOULD BE RETROFITTED.

AND THEN GOING OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE, LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING SOUTH AT THE, THIS IS THE OTHER SHORTER BUILDING THAT WOULD ALSO BE DEMOLISHED LOOKING TOWARDS THE EAST ON LBJ FREEWAY AND MONTFORD DRIVE.

LOOKING SOUTHWEST ON LBJ AND MONTFORT LOOKING NORTH AT THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, THEN TO THE NORTHEAST AND THERE TO THE RIGHT, YOU SEE SOME OF THOSE RETAIL USES I MENTIONED LOOKING TO THE SOUTH, THE SITES TO OUR RIGHT IN THE PHOTO LOOKING SOUTHWEST TOWARDS THE SITE, THEN GOING DOWN MONTFORT, LOOKING WEST DIRECTLY AT THE SITE, LOOKING TO THE NORTH ON MONTFORT.

LOOKING TO THE EAST AGAIN, THERE'S A VARIETY OF RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICES AND TO THE SOUTHEAST.

THEN ON ONSITE LOOKING EAST, THERE'S ONE APPEARS TO BE MULTI-FAMILY AS WELL.

AND THEN LOOKING WEST THERE YOU SEE THIS PARKING GARAGE AND THE EXISTING SHORT BUILDING AND TO THE NORTH WEST.

UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

NOW WHAT'S IN HERE IS SLIGHTLY OUT OF DATE.

WE RECEIVED A REVISION OVERNIGHT, UH, THAT ADDRESSES SOME CONCERNS THAT ENGINEERING AND STAFF HAD REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

I WILL SHARE THAT WITH YOU NOW.

ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S A LARGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WE CAN JUST SEE IT FROM A FULL ONE OR FULL ZOOMED OUT VIEW HERE, BUT AS WE ATTEMPT TO ZOOM IN, UH, CANNOT PINCH TO ZOOM.

IT DOESN'T QUITE HAVE THE MAC OS MAGIC I GUESS.

SO HERE WE SEE THE PROPOSED BUILDING, NUMBER ONE, THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE OF THE EXISTING SHORT BUILDING TO THE WEST OF THE SITE.

THEN IN THE CENTER OF THE EXISTING 10 STORY

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BUILDING THAT WOULD BE RETROFIT AND TO THE RIGHT PROPOSED BUILDING.

NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, REPLACING THE EXISTING TALL BUILDING TO THE SOUTH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THE EXISTING FOUR STORY PARKING GARAGE.

UH, YOU SEE A LARGE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED.

THEY'RE PROPOSING 65,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS ABOUT 17% OF THE LOT WOULD BE OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS ABOVE THE 10% MINIMUM THAT'S REQUIRED IN A BASE.

MU TWO DISTRICT ACCESS TO THE GARAGE WOULD BE VIA MONTFORT DRIVE AND NOEL WITH THESE TWO SIDE DRIVEWAYS, AND PARDON ME, THE POINT OF CONTENTION THAT, UH, RESULTED IN THIS LAST MINUTE CHANGE WAS ORIGINALLY THEY HAD ENVISIONED HAVING ACCESS FROM MON OR FROM LBJ DIRECTLY TO THE GARAGE AS WELL.

ENGINEERING RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PRIMARILY RELATED TO, UH, SAFETY AND ENGINEERING STANDARDS.

UH, WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE PROJECTED TO FLOW OUT FROM THE GARAGE ONTO LBJ, IT WOULD CREATE ISSUES REGARDING EITHER BLOCKING THIS RIGHT TURN LANE AS WELL AS SAFETY FROM EMERGING TRAFFIC THAT IS ATTEMPTING TO ENTER THAT RIGHT LANE.

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OF A SLOW DOWN, UH, BEFORE THAT SPLIT, AS WELL AS CARS EXITING FROM HERE TO REACH, UH, THE U-TURN LANE TO GET ONTO WESTBOUND LBJ.

WHAT THE DEVELOPER, UH, HAS PROPOSED IS TO WITH US CUT OFF THE CONNECTION OF THAT DRIVE VILE SO IT WOULD NOT CONNECT TO THE PARKING GARAGE.

UH, THEY RERAN THEIR NUMBERS FOR THEIR TRAFFIC TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OVERNIGHT AND FOUND THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE OUTFLOWS ON LBJ OR ON MONTFORD AND NOEL.

UH, AS SUCH, UH, WE ARE, UH, COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROPOSED PLAN HERE.

AGAIN, THE BIG CONCERN WAS THAT WITH HAVING ACCESS TO THE GARAGE, YOU'D HAVE A LOT MORE VEHICLES COMING OUT AT ANY GIVEN TIME OR ENTERING.

AND SO THIS ALLEVIATES THAT CONCERN.

LEMME JUST GO BACK TO THIS ONE NOW.

SHARE THIS SCREEN AGAIN WITH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

SO WE ARE USING AN MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT AS THE BASE ZONING.

WE WANTED TO RETAIN THE GOA OR GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT FAR OF 4.0.

THE REASON FOR THAT WAS TO PROTECT SOME OF THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED ON THAT LAND.

UH, AS WE KNOW, DEVELOPMENT ISN'T ALWAYS A SURE THING, AND SO IF THERE WERE TO BACK OUT, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EXISTING USES WOULD STILL BE COMPLIANT.

UH, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 182 FEET, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY IMPOSED BY THE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS, UH, WOULDN, THUS IS THE REASON FOR THE PROPOSAL TO TERMINATE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, AS WE CALL IT.

WE DON'T WANT THE BELTS AND SUSPENDERS HERE.

UH, IF WE CAN REMOVE A DEED RESTRICTION BUT RETAIN THE SPIRIT, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT THROUGH PD CONDITIONS.

UH, MODIFICATION OF SETBACKS IS 20 FOOT SETBACK ON LVJ AND A 10 FOOT SETBACK ON NOEL AND MONTFORD.

THE MAXIMUM DWELLING UNIT DENSITY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, THIS IS A DEVIATION FROM MU TWO, IS 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

UH, THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS WOULD ALLOW 90 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS AROUND WHAT MU TWO CAN PERMIT WITH CERTAIN MIXES OF USES.

UH, THE INTENT HERE IS THAT FROM THE OUTSET, THE DEVELOPER WAS INTERESTED IN PROVIDING MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND PROVIDING ABOUT 725 DWELLING UNITS AS I RECALL.

SO THE 90 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT.

UH, IF THEY PROVIDE MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND THE TARGET PROPOSED IS A MINIMUM OF 5% UNITS AT 81 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF AREA MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME.

UH, THIS IS BECAUSE OF, UH, GUIDANCE THAT WE HAVE FROM THE, UH, HOUSING FOLKS WHERE, UH, GIVEN THE MVA AREA, THE MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS AREA, THE AREA THAT IT'S IN IS CLASSIFIED AS AN IMVA AREA.

AND SO OUR POLICY IS TO ENCOURAGE IN THESE LOWER MARKET VALUE AREAS, TO HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE TRANCHE AS IT WERE OF THE, OF THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING TARGET, BE AT THE HIGHER END TO ALLOW FOR THAT.

AGAIN, THAT MIXING OF INCOMES AS IT WERE, WE DON'T WANT TO CONCENTRATE LOWER INCOMES AND LOWER INCOMES.

THAT HAS NOT WORKED IN THE PAST.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, CREATED ISSUES.

AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT MIXING OF INCOMES.

IF THERE WERE HIGHER INCOME MVA, WE WOULD PROPOSE A LOWER, UH, TRANCHE.

HERE'S A COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARD TO READ, BUT WILL ZOOM IN HERE.

UH, SO WITH THE EXISTING GOA, THERE'S A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK AND AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET FOR THE PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE OVER 45 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND THEN 20 FOOT SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS WHEN ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, AND NO MINIMUM IN ALL OF THE CASES.

AND THEN A TOWER SPACING REQUIREMENT, NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE OR MAX DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, UH, WHICH MAKES SENSE.

IT'S INTENDED FOR OFFICES PRIMARILY.

UH, THE FAR IS 4.0 AND THE HEIGHT IS ACTUALLY 270 FEET, BUT THE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS DO LIMIT THAT WITH 80% MAX LOT COVERAGE.

WHOA, DID NOT WANT YOU TO DO THAT.

LET'S ATTEMPT THIS AGAIN,

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HERE WE GO.

WITH THE BASE MU TWO DISTRICT, THE FRONT SETBACK IS 15 FEET, AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET PER PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE OVER 45 FEET AND HEIGHT.

SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE 20 FEET ALONG LBJ AND 10 FEET ALONG NOEL AND MONTFORT, UH, WHICH WOULD BE IN LINE WITH A 10 FOOT SETBACK, OR SORRY, IT'D BE A 20 FOOT, UH, SETBACK ON NORMALLY ON LBJ OR ON NOEL AND MONTFORT, BUT IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE 10 FEET.

UH, WE WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE TOWER SPACING FOR THE EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE AND NO URBAN FORM SETBACK REQUIRED FOR THE, UH, FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, THERE'S NO MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN MU TWO.

THERE'S A 50 DWELLING UNIT, ACRE PER ACRE MINIMUM, UH, WITH NO MIXED USE PROJECT.

UM, 75 DWELLING UNITS WITH A MIX OF TWO CATEGORIES AND A HUNDRED WITH A MIX OF THREE OR MORE.

IN THIS CASE, GIVEN THE INTENTIONS OF THE DEVELOPER AND WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH HERE, WE'RE PROPOSING A 50 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE BASE, WHICH WOULD BE IN LINE WITH MU TWO AND THEN THE 90 DWELLING PER UNIT DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE BONUS WITH MIXED INCOME HOUSING, UH, THE FAR WOULD CHANGE AS WELL TO 4.0.

UH, MU TWO NORMALLY HAS A LOWER FAR, UH, BUT IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT OF WHAT COULD ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED HERE, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE YOU, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THIS HEIGHT LIMIT HERE OF 182 FEET.

SO IT WOULD SORT OF MINIMIZE SOME OF WHAT COULD COME OUT OF NORMALLY A LARGER FAR AND THEN RETAINING THE SAME MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE.

ZOOM BACK OUT TO NORMAL DIMENSIONS.

AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.

AND TWO, THE APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS AS AMENDED Z SEVEN TWO DASH 2 69 AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.

COMMISSIONER HARA? UH, YES, MR. BATE.

SO I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN ON THE DEED RESTRICTION AND THE HEIGHT SITUATION.

I NEED YOU TO WALK ME BACK THROUGH THAT.

WHY, WHY THE BASE ZONING CURRENTLY IS AT TWO 40.

WE'VE GOT A FREEWAY SITE AND WE'RE REMOVING HEIGHT.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT.

UH, THE 20, SO THE EXISTING ZONING DOES ALLOW FOR 270 FEET OF MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

HOWEVER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHENEVER THIS WAS FIRST DEVELOPED, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS WERE VOLUNTEERED.

UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE INTENT BEHIND THAT, BUT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE, UH, SOMEWHAT LABYRINTHINE BECAUSE AS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY WRITTEN, IT ONLY ACCOUNTED FOR THE 180 OR IT ONLY ACCOUNTED FOR A SHORTER BUILDING WHEN IT WAS AMENDED.

IT ALLOWED FOR A TALLER BUILDING UP TO, I BELIEVE IT WAS 186 AND A HALF FEET, AND IT WOULD ALLOW FOR, I THINK IT WAS 186 AND A HALF FEET AND 14 STORIES, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL SHORTER BUILDING.

UH, THOSE REMAINED IN PLACE FOR SEVERAL DECADES AND THEY SEEM A LITTLE SUPERFLUOUS.

NOW, GIVEN THAT WE DO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE A PD, UH, THE DEVELOPERS INTENDED MAX HEIGHT FOR, UH, THE BUILDINGS WOULD JUST BE THIS 10 STORY BUILDING.

AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE, THAT THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS DID, GIVEN THAT THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS DID EXIST PREVIOUSLY, THAT WE COULD RETAIN THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 182 FEET, UH, BY PUTTING IT INTO THE PD CONDITIONS.

UH, SO THEREFORE, BY HAVING THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT, YOU RETAIN SOME OF THOSE PROTECTIONS OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE THEM.

AGAIN, WE TRY TO AVOID HAVING THESE, NOT NECESSARILY CONFLICTING, BUT JUST ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT, FOR INSTANCE, AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING, IT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF TO LOOK AT WHAT EXACTLY CONTROLS HERE.

UH, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UH, I SUPPOSE SO, BUT , YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK, I THINK MAYBE THE QUESTION IS MORE WHY ARE WE RESTRICTING HEIGHT TO WHAT THE DE DESCRIPTION I'VE RESTRICT HERE, I'VE SITE HERE WE'RE GONNA PICK UP HOUSING UNITS AND WE'VE GOT A VERY LOW BASE DENSITY AND WE'VE TAKEN HEIGHT AWAY FROM THE SITE.

NOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND NOW MAYBE THE APPLICANT'S PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH THAT, BUT SURE.

UM, I MEAN I WOULD, THIS IS A CASE WHERE I WOULD ENTITLE IT BEYOND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY THE APPLICANT WOULD, WOULD BUILD THIS PROJECT OR, OR YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS IS A, A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY.

THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT THIS CASE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE 180 2 IS, IS BY MY ESTIMATION NOT BEING USED BY THIS PROJECT, I DON'T THINK THAT EXISTING BUILDINGS, I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE ONE 50.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT TO 180 2.

UM, SO ANYWAY, I I CAN SAVE THIS FOR THE APPLICANT IN THE AFTERNOON, I SUPPOSE.

CERTAINLY.

UM, AND I GUESS I, I, I LOVE THE OPEN SPACE AROUND THE BUILDINGS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

I GUESS WE'RE, THIS BODY'S NOT GONNA BE, IS NOT WORRIED ABOUT FIRE LANES AND WHETHER OR NOT, 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW IT WORKS, BUT I'M JUST NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT THAT.

I GUESS WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM THEIR REVIEW AT ZRT, UH, THE ZONING REVIEW TEAM.

UM, I CAN'T SPEAK ANYMORE ON THAT IN TERMS OF, UH, IN TERMS OF THAT, BUT, UH, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM FIRE, NO.

ALRIGHT, WELL I GUESS THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR THIS MORNING ON IT,

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BUT THANKS.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, I HAVE A SORT OF A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO, UH, UH, ONE THAT WAS JUST ASKED.

THE, UM, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS BECAUSE I DEVELOPED THIS BUILDING BACK IN, UH, THE, UH, 1980S.

AND, UM, I'M QUITE SURE THAT THE, UH, THAT THE DEED RESTRICTION ON THE, THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE VOLUNTEERED.

IT WAS SOMETHING THAT FOR SOME REASON AT THAT TIME THE CITY THOUGHT THEY WANTED TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT.

AND IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND YOU LOOK AT THAT AREA, IT, IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO LINCOLN CENTER, WHICH HAS BUILDINGS THAT ARE QUITE A BIT TALLER THAN THIS.

I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT HEIGHT LIMITATION TODAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MADE SENSE BACK THEN, BUT I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT HEIGHT LIMITATION TODAY MAKES ANY SENSE.

AND I CAN PRETTY MUCH ASSURE YOU THAT THERE'S NO, UH, SENTIMENTALITY AMONG THE PREVIOUS OWNERS TO MAINTAIN THAT, UH, THAT THAT HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

SO, UM, IF IT'S, IF, IF IT'S NOT INAPPROPRIATE TO DO SO AND THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T WISH TO MAINTAIN THAT HEIGHT RESTRICTION, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HA HOUSE RIGHT.

THAT IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO, UH, TO LIFT THAT DEED RESTRICTION.

AND, AND I JUST IS IS, DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT, UH, THE, THE OWNER INTENDS TO DEMOLISH THE TWO, I THINK THEY'RE SIX STORY BUILDINGS AND, AND AND REDEVELOP THEM AS MULTIFAMILY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THEY WOULD DEMOLISH AND THEN THE CENTER BUILDING WOULD BE CONVERTED TO MULTIFAMILY.

UH, THE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ON THAT FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE.

BUT AS I UNDERSTOOD IT IN OUR INITIAL CONVERSATION, IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE FLOOR PLATES OF THE 10 STORY BUILDING BEING MORE APPROPRIATE.

I CERTAINLY CAN ELABORATE ON IT.

I'M NOT QUITE AS WELL VERSED IN ENGINEERING MYSELF, BUT AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THE BONES OF THE 10 STORY BUILDING WORK WELL FOR MULTIFAMILY, THE BONES OF THE SIX STORY, NOT SO MUCH.

WELL IT'S AN, IT'S AN INTERESTING, UM, STATEMENT ON, ON THE STATE OF THE, UH, THE MARKET AND DALLAS, TEXAS RIGHT NOW TO THINK THAT SOMEBODY WOULD BE MAKING THAT KIND OF CONVERSION.

TIMES ARE GOOD.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND I KNOW YOU RAN THROUGH IT, BUT I DIDN'T CATCH THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT YOU SAID, THE CHANGE THAT HAD BEEN MADE TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THERE WAS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE RIGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE IT.

IS THAT, UH, THE TIA, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU RECEIVED IT, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE, UH, IN THE DOCKET.

YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE DOCKET, BUT IT DIDN'T LOOK TO ME THAT THERE WAS A SOLUTION ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WE GOT.

AND I KNOW YOU THE, SO FROM WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THIS, UH, JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, THE DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO STAY THE SAME, THE LOCATION, BUT WHAT, WHAT CHANGED THAT MADE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE? OH, IT CHANGED.

SO THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BRIEFING, OR NOT IN THE BRIEFING, BUT IN THE DOCKET AND THE REPORT, UH, IT SHOWED THE DRIVEWAY ACCESSING THE GARAGE, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE TODAY.

RIGHT NOW.

THE DRIVEWAY TERMINATES AT THE PARKING LOT AND THE REALLY, I THINK THE, ONE OF THE BUILDINGS IS IN THE WAY.

UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT ALLOW ACCESS TO THE DR, UH, GARAGE OR EVEN TO ELIMINATE THE DRIVEWAY.

UH, WITH THE REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT I BRIEFED AND PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN JUST NOW, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS DECIDED TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE DRIVEWAY, OR SORRY, NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE GARAGE FROM LBJ AS SUCH, IT WOULD ONLY ACCESS A SMALL PARKING AREA WITH I BELIEVE 18 PARKING SPACES, WHICH COULD THEORETICALLY BE USED FOR DELIVERIES, UH, DROP OFFS, THAT SORT OF NATURE.

AND SO THAT MODIFICATION WOULD SATISFY TEXT DOTS PROBLEMS WITH THE, WITH THE DRIVE AND ALSO THE PROBLEM OF PEOPLE TRYING TO DO THE FIVE LANE CHANGEOVER TO GET TO THE U-TURN AT MONTFORT.

IT WOULD, YOU, YOU TECHNICALLY YOU COULD STILL DO THAT, BUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ATTEMPTING AT AT ANY GIVEN TIME OF DAY WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN IF IT HAD ACCESS TO THE GARAGE.

SQUARE FEET, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS ALL GROUND LEVEL.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT OPEN SPACE.

'CAUSE THE, UH, STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT A MINIMUM OF 65,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE DEFINED IN PD CONDITIONS IS REQUIRED.

BUT WHEN I GET DOWN TO PD CONDITIONS, IT JUST SAYS 65,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED.

AND I KNOW 11, UH, WHATEVER IT IS, THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DESIGN STANDARDS SAY THAT OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, CAN BE UP IN THE SKY ON ROOFTOPS, WHEREVER.

I MEAN, IS THE INTENTION FOR IT TO BE, AND IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE EITHER.

IS THE INTENTION HERE TO BE 65,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROUND LEVEL OPEN SPACE WITH, UH, SOME BIG PORTION OF IT BEING CONTIGUOUS? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS PRETTY UNDEFINED IN THE, IN THE STANDARDS IN THE PD.

SO REGARDING THAT, UH, THE 65,000

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UH, COULD YOU REMIND ME, UH, WHICH THE FIRST SECTION WHERE OPEN SPACE WAS IN YOUR REPORT? YES.

IT'S ON PAGE, UM, NINE DASH 12 NINE DASH 12.

YEAH, THE FIR YEAH.

UNDER DESIGN STANDARDS, IT SAYS IT FOLLOWS THE PROVISIONS OF FOUR POINT 1107 FOLLOWING CHANGES.

DEFINE AND BEAUTY CONDITIONS.

SO IN THE, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHAT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AS A, UM, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A TYPO OR A MISTY.

UH, ORIGINALLY THEY HAD TO FIND OPEN SPACE DIFFERENTLY IN, UNDER THE PD CONDITIONS IN SECTION 1 0 3, UH, WITH, WHEN WE'VE REVIEWED THAT, WE MADE A UPDATE TO IT THAT REMOVED THAT DEFINITION TO INSTEAD USE THE NORMAL DEFINITION THAT'S USED IN THE CITY CODE, UH, FOR 1107.

SO, UH, WHATEVER CONTROL IS THERE IS ALL CONTROL HERE.

I CAN PULL THAT UP IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET THE EXACT LANGUAGE.

THAT'S OKAY.

BUT THE, THE WAY THE PD IS WRITTEN NOW, THE SIX, I MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 65,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE, BUT IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE, NONE OF IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT GROUND LEVEL.

IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE FOUR POINT 1107 ALLOWS IT TO BE IN THE SKY OR WHEREVER, OR IF THERE'S AN INTENTION FOR THERE TO BE CONTIGUOUS AMOUNT OF, AN AMOUNT OF CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE AT GROUND LEVEL, THEN THE PD NEEDS TO SAY SO BECAUSE ANY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT COMES FORWARD IN THE FUTURE ONLY HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE PD, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT ONE 14 C, THE TOP OF THAT SECTION DOES SAY ACCEPT AS PROVIDED BELOW.

UH, EVERYTHING NEEDS TO MEET CODIFIED, UH, MIXED INCOME HOUSING DESIGN STANDARDS.

UM, SO ALL THE ONLY MODIFICATION AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE IS THAT, UH, IT'S ABOUT 17% OF THE SITE NOW RATHER THAN 10%, WHICH IS WHAT, UH, 4 11 0 7 WOULD REQUIRE.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AS THIS READS, AND DANIEL CAN CHECK ME IF HE NEEDS TO, BUT OTHER THAN REQUIRING MORE OPEN SPACE, ALL OF THE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE AS FAR AS WHERE IT CAN BE LOCATED AND EVERYTHING WOULD, WOULD JUST COMPLY WITH 4 11 0 7.

BUT MY, MY POINT WAS THAT IF THE INTENTION FOR THIS PROJECT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME GROUND LEVEL OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED OR CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE IS REQUIRED, THEN THE PD WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED TO SAY THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, I DON'T, UM, IN MY MIND, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT OPEN SPACE STANDARDS, UH, FROM 4 11 0 7.

BUT YEAH, IF THOSE ARE NOT CODIFIED, THEN IF THAT'S DESIRE, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED AS CONDITIONS TO THE PD.

AND I AM ATTEMPTING TO PULL UP THOSE CONDITIONS, BUT THE INTERNET IS BEING RATHER UNCOOPERATIVE THIS MORNING, BUT I CAN GET THAT DEFINITION TO YOU AFTER.

ALRIGHT, WELL I READ THEM LAST NIGHT AND I DIDN'T OKAY.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE GROUND LEVEL CONTIGUOUS, BUT, GOT IT.

COMMISSIONER HALL? YEAH, JUST A BIT OF, UH, CLARIFICATION.

UH, THE 10, THE 10 STORY BUILDING THAT'S BEING KEPT IS 145 FEET TALL AT PRESENT.

AND THE, UH, OTHER TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING DEMOLISHED ARE GONNA BE REPLACED, UH, WITH SHORT, UH, ONLY SIX, SIX LEVEL, UH, SIX STORY, UH, WOOD WOOD FRAME BUILDINGS.

SO THEY REALLY AREN'T PLANNING ON BUILDING UP TO 182 FEET OR ANY HIGHER.

AND IT SHOULD BE WORTH NOTING AS WELL WITH THE BASE MU TWO, UM, DISTRICT, THE MAX HEIGHT IS ONLY 135 FEET, AND SO IT WOULD MAKE THE 10 STORY BUILDING NON COMPLYING.

UH, IT DOES PROVIDE A 180 FOOT BONUS IF YOU HAVE WHAT'S CONSIDERED A MIXED USE PROJECT IN THE CODE WITH RETAIL.

HOWEVER, GIVEN THAT THE PLAN DOES NOT CURRENTLY CALL FOR RETAIL, THAT WOULD STILL BE TOO RESTRICTIVE.

UH, SO THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON FOR MODIFYING FROM THE BASE HEIGHT, UM, BUT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T, NO OBJECTION TO INCREASING THAT MAX HEIGHT.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, IN YOUR PICTURES, I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE SOME MATURE TREES ON THE PROPERTY ON THE SITE.

UH, ARE THEY BEING MAINTAINED OR ARE THEY GONNA BE DEMOLISHED? UH, IS THERE A LANDSCAPE PLAN? I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

UH, A LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS NOT SUBMITTED WITH THIS.

THEY WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS OF ARTICLE 10, UH, WHICH IS THE CITY'S GENERAL LANDSCAPING, UH, REQUIREMENTS.

UH, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT DOES REQUIRE EITHER PRESERVATION OR REPLACEMENT OF TREES THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.

UH, BUT I DON'T HAVE DETAILS ON HOW, HOW THAT WOULD LOOK WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

ARE, HAVE AN FAR GREATER THAN THE, UH, 1.9 THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY AN MU TWO DISTRICT, BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT IN THERE AS A, AS A METHOD OF SORT OF RETAINING THOSE ENTITLEMENTS THERE.

UM, MR. BATE, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A 4.0 FAR.

SORRY, ONE MORE.

THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL HERE IS THE RECOMMENDATION IS A 4.0 FAR.

UH, YES, I, WE PUT IN THE 4.0 FAR JUST AS A WAY TO SORT OF RETAIN SOME OF THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS FROM THE GOA ZONING.

UH, AGAIN, GIVEN THAT, UH, THE SITE, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT WE'RE NOT REDEVELOPED, WE WOULD LIKE TO STILL RETAIN THAT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHETHER THE EXISTING BUILDINGS

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WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO ALIGN FAR AND HEIGHT AND UNIT COUNT AND ALL THIS, AND BY MY ESTIMATION, THE, THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED IS GONNA BE AROUND A TWO FAR, AND SO WE'VE GOT FOUR, BUT WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE TO LIMIT THE UNITS IF WE, IF WE SAY, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A, A HEIGHT LIMIT AND AN FAR, WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE TO TALK ABOUT UNITS? SO WITH THE UNITS, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WOULD BE THAT IT WAS A WAY TO ENSURE THIS MIXED INCOME HOUSING, UH, BONUS COULD BE TRIGGERED, UH, BY ALLOWING IT TO BE IN EXCESS OF A BASELINE OF 50.

UH, THAT GIVES, ESSENTIALLY GIVES AN INCENTIVE FOR THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO BE USED.

UH, AS A BIT OF BACKGROUND, UH, WHEN THE PROPOSAL FIRST CAME IN, THE CONDITIONS WERE SUCH THAT THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS WOULD ALLOW, UH, MULTIFAMILY USE ON THE SITE.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REALLY DO WITH MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUSES.

WE CAN'T PROVIDE EXTRA USES.

UM, AND IT'S SORT OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE IN A WAY OF SAYING, OH, WELL, IF YOU SAY YOU'LL DO THIS MUCH MIXED INCOME HOUSING, THEN YOU CAN BUILD MIXED, YOU CAN BUILD MULTIFAMILY.

UH, SO INSTEAD THE, WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS AN APPROACH OF USING THE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE AS THE INCENTIVE AS IT WERE.

SO IF THEY DID NOT PROVIDE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

UM, CERTAINLY THERE'S, I THINK TO USE A TERM OR PHRASE, THERE'S MANY WAYS TO SKIN ACCOUNT WITH IT.

UM, WE JUST THOUGHT THAT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, GIVEN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WELL, BUT WE COULD GET TO MIXED INCOME HOUSING WITH FAR BONUSES OR HEIGHT BONUSES.

YES, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY OF PROVIDING THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS THROUGH FAR, UH, ADDITIONAL FAR ENTITLEMENT OR HEIGHT ENTITLEMENT.

MR. SLEEPER, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE JUST ANSWERED THIS, BUT I I DON'T THINK I HEARD IT RIGHT IF YOU DID.

SO THE DEVELOPER IS BASICALLY VOLUNTARILY DOWN ZONING THE PROPERTY AND CONVERTING THE USE FROM OFFICE TO MULTIFAMILY.

AND WHY DOES THAT TRIGGER A, UH, A LOW INCOME HOUSING REQUIREMENT? SO IN TERMS OF, UH, WHETHER IT'S DOWN ZONING OR NOT, UH, IT REALLY IS, IT'S MORE OF A, I WOULD CALL ALMOST LIKE A LATERAL CHANGE IN THE ZONING, UH, AS IT IS TODAY WITH THE GOA, IF YOU TOOK AWAY THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, ALL THAT YOU WOULD REALLY BE ABLE TO DO IS JUST BUILD A TALLER OFFICE BUILDING.

UM, BY SWITCHING IT OVER TO MU TWO, YOU'RE ALLOWING, UH, DIFFERENT USES THAT, UH, IN THIS CASE, ONE OF THE, THE MAIN ONE IS MULTIFAMILY.

UH, WE FOUND THAT THAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

IT WOULD ALSO STILL ALLOW OFFICE USES, AGAIN, IF THIS WERE TO, UH, IF, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THE DEVELOPMENT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION, IT WOULD STILL ALLOW THIS USE TO EXIST, WHEREAS THE STRAIGHT MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT.

UM, THE, SORRY, AND THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION.

OH, WITH THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, IN TERMS OF TRIGGERING IT, UH, REALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS, I THINK THEY, THEIR INTENTION IS TO, THEY WANT TO PROVIDE MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND THEY WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO, I GUESS, HAVE THAT CODIFIED IN HERE.

AND SO, UH, BY HAVING THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT AS PRESENTED WITH 725 DWELLING UNITS, YOU NEED ABOUT A 90 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT.

SO IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, THEN THE DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED, SIMPLY IT, IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE AS DENSE.

THEY COULD HAVE MUCH LARGER DWELLING UNITS.

THEY COULD MAYBE NOT BUILD ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE NEW TOWERS, OR MAYBE NOT BUILD BOTH OF THEM, BUT IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT, IT WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THAT 50 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE MINIMUM.

UH, SO IN TERMS OF USING THAT AS THE, AS THE SWEETENER, AGAIN, THE IDEA IS IF YOU PROVIDE MIXED INCOME HOUSING THAT 5% AT 81 TO 100% A MFI, THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO BUILD AS ENVISIONED.

OTHERWISE THEY'D HAVE TO GO DRIVE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

SO I, MAYBE I JUST MISSED THIS.

WHAT, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT ON THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE TEARING DOWN AND REPLACING? WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS? THE NEW BUILDINGS WOULD BE 95 FEET MAX.

UH, AND THAT'S INTERESTING.

THE 145 FEET THAT COMMISSIONER HALL MENTIONED HERE ON THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT SAYS 102 MAX BUILDING HEIGHT FOR THE EXISTING BUILDING.

UM, BUT THAT'S THE, THE HIGHEST THAT IT COULD GO WOULD BE 187.

BUT THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE NOT TALLER.

NO, THEY WOULD BE SHORTER.

THEY WOULD BE SHORTER THAN THE 10 STORY BUILDING.

UH, I BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE.

BUT THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

GOA TO AN MU TWO, THAT ALLOWS THE RESIDENTIAL USES OF COURSE.

SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT UPZONING AT ALL.

AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONLY BEING REQUIRED TO DO, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING IT VOLUNTARILY, NOT BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE ANY ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WERE REQUIRED.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE MOVING TO, UH, FROM A

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UM, AND THEN AN MU TWO, UM, WITHOUT ANY SORT OF MIXED USE PROJECT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING A NON MIXED USE PROJECT.

IT'S REALLY JUST, UM, RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT.

THE MAX DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, THEY COULD HAVE AN MU TWO, IT'S 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

UM, WITH THE PD, THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AS THEIR BASE.

UM, AND THEN INCENTIVIZING THE AFFORDABLE UNITS BY SAYING THAT THEY CAN GO UP TO 85 DWELLING UNITS, UNITS PER ACRE IF THEY PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN THE BASE DISTRICT, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING A MIXED USE PROJECT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? COULD THEY NOT HAVE JUST PROPOSED AT ALL AS A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO A MIXED USE PROJECT? THEY COULD DO THAT AS WELL, UM, TO GET THAT DWELLING UNIT DENSITY.

UM, THEY'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING LIKE AN MF THREE OR AN MU THREE.

UM, THOSE ARE THE, OF COURSE, THE DENSER MF AND MU DISTRICTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

UM, RATHER THAN THAT THEY WENT WITH AN MU TWO.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, UH, MORE OF A COMFORTABILITY FACTOR WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY OR NOT.

BUT, UH, UNDER A STRAIGHT MU TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY COULDN'T GET THAT DENSITY, UH, WITHOUT A BONUS.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE BUILDING LOWER DENSITY THAN WHAT THEY HAVE NOW.

AND YET IT RE, IT, IT TRIGGERS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT.

WELL, WHEN YOU SAY RIGHT NOW, DO YOU MEAN THE EXISTING GEO A NO.

WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW? RIGHT.

SO THE EXISTING ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW DWELLING UNIT DENSITY AT ALL.

IT DOESN'T ALLOW DWELLING UNITS.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE BUILDING DENSITY THAT'S THERE NOW VERSUS THE BUILDING DENSITY THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.

GOTCHA.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT INCREASING THE DENSITY.

THE, WHEN YOU SAY DENSITY, DO YOU MEAN MORE THE HEIGHT? THE FAR, THE, THE VOLUME OF THE VOLUME OF THE BUILDING.

SO, SO THAT IS, AS, AS MARTIN SAID, KIND OF A DOWN ZONING FROM WHAT'S PERMITTED TODAY.

UM, BUT UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING, ASIDE FROM THE MASSING OF STRUCTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THE EXISTING ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

UM, SO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO ALLOW WITH THEIR PROPOSAL, SUDDENLY WE HAVE TO CONSIDER DWELLING UNIT DENSITY IN THE MIX AS WELL, NOT JUST THE MASSING AND THE HEIGHT, UH, OF, OF BUILDINGS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT UNITS FOR PEOPLE NOW, RATHER THAN OFFICES.

UM, MAYBE I'M JUST MISSING THE CONCEPT HERE, BUT GENERALLY, I THOUGHT AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS WERE TRIGGERED WHEN YOU WERE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN ZONING RIGHTS.

THIS IS NOT REALLY AN INCREASE IN ZONING RIGHTS.

IT'S A CHANGE FROM OFFICE TO MIXED USE.

AND YET IN THE EYES OF, AND, AND UNLESS FOR SOME REASON THIS, THIS DEVELOPER JUST WANTED TO DO, I DON'T KNOW WHY, WHY IT WOULD TRIGGER A REQUIREMENT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT TRIGGERS A REQUIREMENT TO ADD AFFORDABLE UNITS, EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT INCREASED THE DENSITY? YEAH.

SO THE THING THAT INCENTIVIZES THE AFFORDABLE UNITS IS NOT JUST, UM, DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN GENERAL.

THIS IS KIND OF WHERE I WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN, BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND PERMITTED USES.

SO WHAT YOU ARE FOCUSED ON IS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE HEIGHT, THE FAR, ET CETERA.

UM, BUT THE WAY FOR THIS MULTIFAMILY PROJECT TO WORK IS WE DON'T JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE ZONING RIGHTS.

WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE USE THE PERMITTED USES.

UM, SO ALTHOUGH THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY THEY'RE LOSING OUT IN TERMS OF WHAT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THEY'LL NOW BE ENTITLED TO, THEY ARE GAINING, UH, THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED NOW, THE RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH THEY DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE TRADE OFF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

WELL, THANK YOU.

I, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I DON'T REALLY GET IT, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, .

, I'M SURE RUBIN COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, UH, I'M JUST GONNA JOIN IN THE BAND THAT QUESTIONS WHY WE'RE LIMITING HEIGHT AT THIS LOCATION.

DOING THAT BE? WELL, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH STRIKING THAT OUT AND USING THE BASE IS THAT THE BASE MU TWO ONLY ALLOWS A 135 FOOT HEIGHT AS A BASE.

THAT, THAT, THAT KIND OF GOES TO THE SAME, TO THE SAME POINT.

IT'S A, IT'S A, A DECREASE IN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUT THEY'RE GAINING THAT PERMITTED USE THAT THEY DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE TODAY, COMM.

SO THEORETICALLY, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO ALTER THE, THE PD ORDINANCE TO, UM, MODIFY OR ELIMINATE THAT HEIGHT LIMITATION AND GO TO JUST WHATEVER THE BASE MU TWO DISTRICT FOR THE PD ALLOWS, IS THAT JUST STRIKING A SINGLE LINE IN THE ORDINANCE? OR, OR WHAT WOULD THE MECHANISM FOR

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NOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SWEETENER IN THERE IF YOU PROVIDE, AGAIN, WHAT'S CALLED THE MIXED USE PROJECT WITH RETAIL.

SO IF THEY BUILT A BUILDING THAT HAD MULTIFAMILY AND THEN PUT RETAIL AT THE BOTTOM, IT COULD GO UP TO 180 FEET.

UH, WHICH THAT WOULD, THAT COULD BE DONE WITH THE EXISTING, THE 10 STORY BUILDING, FOR INSTANCE.

UH, BUT IF YOU WERE TO JUST HAVE THAT BASE HEIGHT, SO IF THEY DEVELOPED IT AS ENVISIONED, THAT 10 STORY TOWER WOULD NO LONGER BE IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE IT'S TALLER THAN 135.

SO YOU NEED TO HAVE, AT LEAST, YOU NEED TO MODIFY FROM BASE MU TWO REGARDLESS.

IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT EXISTING 10 STORY BUILDING.

UM, BUT IT COULD CERTAINLY GO HIGHER.

YEAH, AND I, UH, WE'RE GETTING SOME, I REALLY LIKE THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GETTING TODAY.

I THINK IT'S GOOD DISCUSSION.

THEY'RE SORT OF, UH, DISRUPTIVE.

I MEAN THAT IN A GOOD WAY.

UM, UH, ONE THING THE COMMISSION COULD DO, UM, RATHER THAN THIS PD FOR MU TWO, UM, IS UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF A STRAIGHT U THREE DISTRICT WOULD WORK.

I THINK WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND RUN THE NUMBERS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING WE'RE MISSING.

UH, PLEASE.

YEAH, YOU'D LOSE OPEN SPACE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS SORT OF, WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT MIX IS.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT, UH, MAX HEIGHT AND, UM, MU THREE IS THE SAME AS THE CURRENT GOA, UM, FAR GETS YOU TO A 4.0 MAX, UM, JUST LIKE GOA DOES.

UM, SO YEAH, MAYBE, MAYBE A STRAIGHT MU THREE OR A PD WITH AN MU THREE BASE THAT WE MODIFY OFF OF TO GET BETTER OPEN STATE STANDARDS OR WHATEVER ELSE IS DESIRED.

UM, MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO.

AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS.

I REALLY DO .

LET'S GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER TWO.

UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WE'RE, WE'RE BRIEFING THESE AS NEEDED.

THE THE MINOR AMENDMENT WE HELD OFF ON THAT ONE.

WOULD YOU LIKE A BRIEF? I BRIEFED.

UH, EITHER WORKSHOPS OR TIMES TO CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION ON THE PLACE TYPE, I MEAN ON THE, FOR DALLAS PLAN DOCUMENT.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A, A BREAK BEFORE WE GET TO OUR FORWARD DALLAS PIECE.

IT'S 1118.

UH, LET'S BE BACK AT, UH, 1130.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

IT IS 1141, UH, AM AND WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

WE'RE READY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

ONE SECOND.

ALRIGHT, TODAY'S GONNA BE AN, UH, CONTINUING DISCUSSION FROM OUR, UH, LAST WORKSHOP ITEM WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THE PLACE TYPE MAP AND SUGGESTED CHANGES.

SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON THAT, UH, JUST TO KIND OF BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.

UH, WE'VE HAD OUR WORKSHOP MARCH 28TH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS AND A FEW PLACE TYPE MAP, UH, SUGGESTED CHANGES.

WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE MAP COMPONENT OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PUBLISH AN UPDATED MAP FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL HAVE PROVIDED US.

SO THEY HAVE, UH, ENOUGH TIME TO PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS WHEN WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IN A FEW WEEKS.

SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS TALK THROUGH THE, SOME OF THE, FROM THE PLACE TYPE MAP, CHANGE SUGGESTIONS, SOME, UM, SOME ISSUE ERRORS THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONFIRM AND CLARIFY WITH YOU ALL.

AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, AS WE LOOK TO THE NEXT WORKSHOP THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE WITH YOU ALL, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND OTHER PLAN DOCUMENT SECTIONS, WE'RE ALSO GONNA CONTINUE THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTION, UH, REVIEW WITH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL IN THAT WORKSHOP.

SO THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE SHOWS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR.

UH, SO WITHIN THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTION SECTION, WHEREVER YOU SEE A GREEN CHECK, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE RECEIVED INPUT FROM YOU ALL.

UH, WHEREVER THERE IS AN ORANGE CHECK, THERE'S ONGOING DISCUSSION JUST TO CLARIFY DIRECTION ON THAT.

AND THEN WHEN, WHEREVER THERE'S JUST A BLANK BOX WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL.

SO TODAY, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION SOLELY ON THE PLACE TYPE MAP, UM, SUGGESTED CHANGES, UM, WHEN WE MEET AGAIN FOR THE NEXT WORKSHOP ON THE 11TH, WE'LL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN.

AND THEN BASED ON THAT MEETING, UH, IF NEEDED, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ADDITIONAL,

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SO JUST TO OVERVIEW WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BACHMAN LAKE AREA JUST NORTH OF THERE, UH, CHANGING THAT OR, OR, UH, TWEAKING THAT, UM, SUGGESTED CHANGE TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE.

SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH THAT, UH, DIRECTION.

UH, BUT WE HAVE A FEW OTHER AREAS THAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN D EIGHT AND D SIX.

SO WE'RE GLAD COMMISSIONER BLAIR, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, ARE HERE TODAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO FOR TODAY, WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE, CALLING IT THE RED BIRD DISTRIBUTION CENTER.

UH, SO AS WE ANALYZE THAT SUGGESTED CHANGE, WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, IN THE REGION IN THAT AREA, PROVIDE KIND OF STAFF'S INPUT REGARDING THAT AND GET SOME MORE DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHICH PLACE TYPE THAT SHOULD GO TO.

SO FOR CONTEXT, UH, THE REDBIRD DISTRIBUTION AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ON THE MAP, UH, THAT IS JUST NORTH OF DESOTO.

UM, AND ALSO TOO, AS WE LOOK KIND OF MORE REGIONAL, TAKE A STEP BACK, UH, DESOTO LANCASTER, THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, A LARGER INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AREA.

UM, ALSO TOO IN BLUE THAT SHOWS THE INLAND PORT, THE DALLAS PORTION, EXCUSE ME, THE DALLAS PORTION OF THE INLAND PORT.

UH, SO JUST FOR CONTEXT IN THAT AREA, THE INLAND PORT IS A LARGER, UH, PORTION OF, OF THE REGION.

DALLAS IS ONLY 25%.

UH, DALLAS ONLY HAS 25% OF THAT LARGER INLAND PORT AREA.

SO AS WE LOOK AT THE REDBIRD DISTRIBUTION AREA, AS WE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN DESOTO, LANCASTER, AS WE LOOK AT THE PORTIONS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS CONTAINS OR IS WITHIN THE INLAND PORT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT HOW THAT PORTION JUST SOUTH OF 20, KIND OF BEHAVES AS THAT DISTRIBUTION CENTER.

UM, SO AS WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO APPLY THE SUGGESTION OR THINK THROUGH THE SUGGESTION OF MOVING AWAY FROM THE FLEX INDUSTRY OR FLEX COMMERCIAL TO A COMMUNITY MIXED USE, UH, SOME THOUGHTS THAT STAFF HAD IS, UH, EITHER KEEPING IT FLEX COMMERCIAL OR LOOKING AT A, UM, LOGISTIC PLACE TYPE COULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

UH, JUST BECAUSE ONE, IT'S AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL.

TWO, IT'S ADJACENT TO OTHER, UH, SIMILAR USES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE REGION.

AND THEN THREE, BECAUSE THE INLAND PORT, THE COM COM, THE PORTION THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, KIND OF WITH WITHHOLDS WITHIN THE INLAND PORT, UH, IS VERY MINIMAL.

IF WE WERE TO CONCEPTUALLY MOVE THE REDBIRD DISTRIBUTION TO THE INLAND PORT, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ROOM FOR THAT TO, TO FIT.

SO WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT AS, UH, AS A CITY, AS WE GROW, AS THAT INDUSTRY GROWS REGIONALLY, UH, DO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT REDBIRD DISTRIBUTION AS A LOGISTICS FLEX COMMERCIAL AREA, OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE DIRECTLY, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE.

SO WITH THAT, I'M NOT SURE, COMMISSIONER BLA, IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE A BIT MORE EXPLANATION IN TERMS OF KINDA YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE, UM, KIND OF INPUT FOR THE REST OF THE BODY, UH, JUST BASED ON THE INPUT THAT, UH, STAFF HAS, UH, IN THE AREA.

YES, PLEASE.

WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, IT WAS SOUTH OF 20, NORTH OF, UH, UH, UM, DE NORTH OF DESOTO LANCASTER.

UM, THERE'S A HYBRID OF USES, BUT WHEN YOU ARE CLOSER TO THE RED BIRD AREA, THERE'S MORE RESIDENTIAL USES.

IN FACT, JUST, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF, OF RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THAT'S ON POLK AND BECKLEY MEET ALL THE WAY TO 35, THAT, THAT IS NOTHING BUT RE TOTAL RESIDENTIAL.

AND TO ALLOW INTENSIVE, UM, IR II USES WOULD BE TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S THERE ON THE GROUND ALREADY.

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THERE'S A, THERE'S A SCHOOL, A PARK, UM, AND WHERE MOST OF DISD STUDENTS USE, THE FACILITY THEY USE FOR THEIR BASKETBALL GAMES, FOOTBALL GAMES, AND WHERE THEY GRADUATE FROM, SO TO, TO, TO, AND, AND, AND IT HAS WAREHOUSES THAT, THAT SURROUND IT, BUT IT'S CAUSED, IT, IT, IT, IT'S IN VIOLATION OF THE, THE, THE CITY'S VISION ZERO BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTS AND, AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, TRAFFIC AND TRUCK TRAFFIC.

SO TO MOVE IT TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS ON THE GROUND WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLEND RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL.

WE ALSO, THAT OVER THERE, WE ALSO HAVE OUR, IT'S TARGET AND FI AND 1, 2, 3, ACTUALLY 3, 4, 5 MEGACHURCHES, UM, THAT ARE ALL WITHIN A MILE FROM I 20 IN, IN THIS AREA.

SO TO SAY THAT IT'S A LOGISTICS IS INAPPROPRIATE TO, UM, SAY THAT IT'S, YOU CAN BLEND, IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

SO SOMETHING THAT WASN'T LESS INTENSE OF 50, 60 BAY WAREHOUSES THAT SHOULD GO IN THE INLAND PORT.

UM, THE OTHER OP, THE OTHER CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THEY'RE, THE STREETS ARE NOT MA NOT DESIGNED, NOR ARE THEY BUILT TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC OF, UH, OF TRUCKS AND WHAT THE, THE TRUCKS BRING.

UM, AND, AND, AND SO THE INLAND PORT IS MORE LOGISTICALLY APPROPRIATE, MORE LOGISTICALLY DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED.

SO THAT'S WHERE, WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

BUT, BUT TO MOVE IT FROM TOTAL INDUSTRIAL, YOU CAN'T TAKE WHAT IS ALSO ON THE GROUND AND, AND TELL THEM YOU'RE, YOU GOTTA GO.

SO YOU BLEND IT.

UM, AND THAT WOULD GO FROM SOME OF DISTRICT THREE, BECAUSE DISTRICT THREE IS, IS RIGHT THERE AS WELL.

WHEN YOU GO, UM, ON, JUST AS YOU GET TO REDBIRD, SO FROM REDBIRD YOU HAVE BRAND NEW, UM, MULTIFAMILY, YOU HAVE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY.

UM, WE'RE GETTING READY TO GET OUR, GET OUR GROCERY STORE.

UM, TOM THUMB IS MOVING INTO THAT AREA.

SO YOU DON'T WANNA, YOU DON'T WANNA KILL 'EM BEFORE THEY GET THERE AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO OPERATE.

SO, AND THE, THE CITY HAS, HAS ENGINEERED PROVIDED THE, THE APPROPRIATE PLACE AT THE INLAND PORT.

THE, THE STREETS ARE ENGINEERED TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC WITHOUT BREAKING DOWN AND BREAKING UP.

UM, PD 7 61 SOUTH OF I 20 WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ALL OF OUR WAREHOUSE, ALL OF OUR HEAVY USE WAREHOUSE.

SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT.

AND THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE RESIDENTS, WITH THE MULTIPLE, UM, VI UM, VISITS THAT, UM, LAWRENCE AND HIS STAFF AND HIS TEAM HAD TO, TO VISIT WITH THIS AREA.

UM, THIS WOULD BE THE, THE, THE WAY TO HAVE THEM LIKE, UM, HIS TEAM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UH, I THINK TO ADD, UH, TO, TO WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, UH, SO AS WE, AND THE REASON WE WANNA CONFIRM THIS, UH, AS WE LOOK TO POTENTIALLY MOVE THIS TO A MIXED COMMUNITY, MIXED USE AREA, UH, AND HAVE POTENTIALLY THESE USES WERE TO GET MOVED TO THE, TO THE INLAND PORT, UH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE INSIDE CITY BOUNDS.

SO IT WOULD BE OTHER, WE'RE KINDA SAYING THAT THIS, THIS TAX BASE WOULD, COULD GO TO THE INLAND PORT AND, YOU KNOW, BE A TAX BASE FOR HUTCHINS OR WILMER OR LAN OR ANOTHER COMPONENT, ANOTHER CITY, UH, THAT'S WITHIN THE INLAND PORTS.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS OKAY WITH THIS BODY AS WE CONSIDER, UH, IF WE'RE TRANSITIONING THIS TO BE A MORE MIXED USE, UH, TYPE OF AREA.

WHERE WOULD THESE USES GO IF THEY DECIDED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THIS CITY? SO I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THAT WAS KIND OF WITH WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT.

SECONDLY, AS WE LOOK AT THE PINK AREA IN THIS MAP, UH, AS COMMISSIONER BLAIR MENTIONED, UH, THERE IS

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A, UH, DISD STADIUM, WHICH IS WHERE MY MOUSE IS, UH, IN RED.

UH, SO AS WE HAD INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, I THINK BEFORE THIS IR, UM, KIND OF DESIGNATION BEFORE WE HAD IT BE FLEX COMMERCIAL WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE DISD DISTRICT, WHICH WAS ALSO ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

UH, SO WHAT, UH, THAT THE TWEAKS OF THE MAP, THE, THE REFLECTED THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK WAS ONE, TO REDUCE, UH, THAT ADJACENCY TO, TO RESIDENTIAL AND WHAT WE COULD DO AS WELL TO KIND OF, TO CONTINUE THAT, UM, PROGRESSION.

UH, THIS AREA COULD SHRINK IF WE DECIDE TO KEEP COMPO COMPONENTS OF THAT.

OR IT COULD JUST GO ENTIRELY COMMUNITY MIXED USE.

FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE FLEX COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE KIND OF SOUTH OF, I BELIEVE BECKLEY MEAD, UM, AND JUST KIND OF CUTTING OFF AT THE OPEN SPACE.

THAT COULD BE A FLEX COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

AND EVERYWHERE ELSE WOULD BE, UH, COMMUNITY MIXED USE.

THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF KIND OF CONTINUING WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, COMMISSIONER BLAIR WITH ADDING MORE COMMUNITY MIXED USE AND REDUCING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FLEX COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA.

UH, WHAT WHAT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS APPLY A LOGISTICS HUB TO THIS.

I THINK THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, UH, SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF NOT GROWING THAT FOOTPRINT, STILL BEING COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING SOUTH, UH, OF THE CITY.

UM, AND ALSO TOUCHING WITH WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, BUT WE JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH THIS BODY THAT, UH, IF WE DO MOVE TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE EVERYWHERE IN THIS AREA, JUST THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT WOULD MEAN IN THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF TAX BASE, IN TERMS OF WHERE ELSE THIS USE COULD GO IF THEY DECIDED TO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, THAT THAT DIRECTION WAS OKAY WITH THIS BODY, UH, AS WE CONTINUE MAKING THOSE TWEAKS TO THE PLACE TYPE MAP.

I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER INPUT OR FEEDBACK, UH, BASED ON THAT.

IT'S, IT'S MORE OF JUST A QUESTION.

SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL MAP AND I SEE A NUMBER OF DISTRIBUTION CENTERS ALREADY BUILT THERE, AND SOME OF 'EM SEEM VERY CLOSE TO NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, THERE'S SOME DEFINITELY SOME ISSUES WITH THAT.

AND AS WE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS THAT THAT LOGISTICS IS, IS NOT THE VISION FOR THE AREA, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AT CLUB WHEN WE LOOKED AT VARIOUS AREAS, NOT THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, IS WHEN WE'RE CHOOSING PLACE TYPES, WE WANT TO TRANSITION AWAY FROM SOMETHING.

IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S, WE DON'T WANT LOGISTICS TO EXPAND BAND.

WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET SOMETHING ELSE? AND I THINK THERE'S TWO SORTS OF COMPETING THINGS THAT WE OFTEN CONSIDERATIONS WE SAW AT CLUB.

ON ONE HAND, THERE'S SOMETIMES IN IDEAL PLACE TYPE WITH USES THAT WE THINK ARE IDEAL FOR THE AREA, BUT MAYBE A NUMBER OF FACTORS HAVE THE TRANSITION TO THOSE IDEAL USES RELATIVELY FAR OFF INTO THE FUTURE.

WHEREAS THERE MAY BE A PLACE TYPE THAT IS STILL ACCEPTABLE, BUT MAYBE NOT AS IDEAL, BUT THAT PLACE TYPE MAY GENERATE THE TRANSITION QUICKER.

SO I KNOW COMMISSIONER BLAIR MENTIONED SOME, YOU KNOW, TOM THUMB AND OTHER THINGS COMING INTO THE AREA.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THAT GOES, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO SORT OF BALANCING THOSE TWO COMPETING TENSIONS OF MOVING AWAY FROM DISTRIBUTION USES AND WHETHER WE GET THERE FASTER WITH FLEX COMMERCIAL OR COMMUNITY MIXED USE NOW? GREAT QUESTION.

SO IN TERMS OF WHERE THE TO THUMB WOULD BE, THAT'S THE RED BIRD SHOPPING MALL, UH, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, 67, UH, BASICALLY WHERE MY MOUSE IS KIND OF HOVERING AROUND.

SO IT'S NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR MAP.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ON MY OTHER MAP.

OH YEAH.

SO, UH, WHERE MY CURSOR IS, IT WOULD BE IN THIS AREA.

UH, SO GOING TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR MENTIONED ALONG 20, THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CORRIDOR IS MORE MIXED USE IN NATURE, UM, AS THEY GO, AS THAT AREA STARTS TO DEVELOP AND BECOME MORE MIXED USE IN NATURE, THEY WANNA ALSO HAVE A BUFFER FROM, YOU KNOW, THOSE USES THOSE, UH, MIXED USES, COMMERCIAL USES FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THEN ALSO TOO, LIKE COMMISSIONER BEAR MENTIONED HAVING A BUFFER, UM, FROM THOSE CURRENT LOGISTICS, UM, TYPES OF USES IN THE AREA.

SO I THINK AS, UH, 67 AND 20 TRANSFORMS MORE INTO A MIXED USE AREA.

UH, TWO WAYS TO LOOKING ABOUT IT.

SO IF WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT LARGER REGION IN MY MOUSE BE JUST MIXED USE IN NATURE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO.

I THINK ALL WE WANT TO DO IS JUST THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS FROM THE OTHER COMPONENT.

THE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE, ARE ADJACENT TO US.

SO, UM, DESOTO AND

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LANCASTER, THEIR VISION IS TO KEEP THAT AS BEING, UM, LOGISTICS.

AS WE LOOK INTO THEIR, THEIR COMP PLAN AND THEIR LAND USES, THOSE USES AREN'T GONNA CHANGE.

SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT AS THE CITY'S COMPONENT, UH, IF IT, IF IT GOES, IF IT DOES TRANSITION TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE, UM, JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT THAT AREA COULD HAVE TRANSFORMED TO IF DESOTO CONTINUES, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO IF IT STAYS COMMUNITY, IF IT STAYS FLEX, UH, COMMERCIAL, AGAIN, IT INDICATES THERE THERE'S TRANSITION, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AS A CITY.

BUT THERE'S STILL SOME, THERE'S STILL SOME COMPATIBILITY WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH DESOTO WITH WHAT YOU SAID IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THE QUICKEST WAY TO KIND OF GET THINGS STARTED.

UM, I COULDN'T TELL YOU DIRECTLY.

UM, BUT I THINK IF WE WANTED TO, UH, INDICATE KIND OF LOUD LOUDER THAT WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON THAT HARDER TRANSITION TO JUST MIXED USE IN GENERAL, I THINK APPLYING THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE COULD BE THAT INDICATOR ON THE MAP.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, UM, I'LL SUGGEST OR SAY BASED ON YOUR QUESTION.

UM, IN, IN RESPONSE TO, UM, VICE P VICE CHAIR, THAT AREA IS ALSO HEAVILY, UM, MEDICAL, UM, THE ONLY HOSPITAL THAT SERVES THE WHOLE ENTIRE WELL.

THERE'S CHAR, THERE'S METHODIST, THAT IS THE NORTH SOUTHERN SECTOR, AND THEN THERE'S CHARLTON METHODIST, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

AND WITHIN THIS, THIS PATHWAY, THE NEED TO TRANSITION FROM AWAY FROM HEAVY, UM, LOGISTICS TYPE OF USE IS EVIDENT WHEN YOU SEE, UM, EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVING TO GO AROUND, FIND ALTERNATE ROUTES IN ORDER TO GET TO THE, THE MOST, TO THE, TO THE HOSPITAL.

WHEN YOU SEE HOSPI, UM, EMERGENCY VEHICLES FROM DESOTO, UM, CEDAR HILL, DUNCANVILLE, TRYING TO ACCESS THAT, THAT PATHWAY, AND THEY CAN'T GET THERE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT HAS BEEN ALSO SEEN HAPPENING IS IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT TYPE OF YOUTH TO TRANSITION FROM, IF YOU DON'T DO, UH, UH, MIXED USE WHERE YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL FIRST FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, UP, YOU WOULD TRANS, THE, THE NATURAL TRANSITION WOULD BE TO, UM, ANYTHING THAT IS MEDICAL SUPPORTING, UM, MEDICAL OFFICES, MEDICAL SUPPORT SYSTEMS, UM, THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT USE TO TRANSITION, UM, FROM WAREHOUSING AND TO, AND IT WOULD ALSO BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, CHARLTON METHODIST.

I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, UM, ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, UH, CHARLTON METHODIST HAD A, A ZONING CHANGE COME BEFORE US BECAUSE THEY COMPLETELY ENLARGED THEIR, MET THEIR, THEIR, UM, EMERGENCY ROOM AND THEY BROUGHT IN MORE SERVICES.

AND THOSE SERVICES WAS BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH THAT THEY NEEDED IN THEIR EMERGENCY SERVICES BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR THAT WAS SUPPORTING THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL AS DALLAS.

UM, DESOTO ALSO IS KIND OF TRANSITIONING IN THAT CORRIDOR AWAY FROM, UM, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

IF YOU GO JUST SOUTH NEAR BETWEEN DANIEL DILL AND WINTERGREEN, WHICH DANIEL DILL IS OUR BORDERLINE.

THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF DANIELDALE IS DISTRICT EIGHT, THE SOUTH SIDE OF DANIELDALE IS DESOTO.

AND WHEN YOU GET BET BETWEEN DESOTO AND, UM, I MEAN WHEN DESOTO STARTS IN WINTERGREEN, THERE IS A, A, A NICE NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING.

SO DESOTO IN THAT AREA IS ALSO, IT SEEMS TO BE TRANSITIONING AWAY FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING INTO SOMETHING LESS INTENSE.

SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT.

I CAN ADD SOME CONTEXT TO THAT TOO AS WELL.

JUST SO ON, ON THE MAP, WHEN WE MENTIONED CHARLTON, THE MEDICAL CENTER, YOU MENTIONED WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE REDBIRD ACTUALLY, UM, UH, PARKLAND AND MORE MEDICAL FACILITIES ARE HAPPENING ALONG THERE AND ALSO ALONG WHEATLAND.

UM, THOSE ARE ALSO MEDICAL

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SUPPORTING USES.

GOING BACK TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN DESOTO AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING THEIR COMP PLAN.

UM, HAMPTON IS A KEY CORRIDOR, UH, FOR THEM IN TERMS OF MIXED USE.

UH, SO AS YOU GO FROM DESOTOS HAMPTON TO DALLAS, UM, IN TERMS OF BEING MAYBE BEING A CORRIDOR OR A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY, THAT COULD BE MAYBE MORE MIXED USE IN NATURE.

UH, SO RIGHT NOW IT IS PREDOMINANTLY DISTRIBUTION.

SO IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT CONNECTION LOOKS LIKE, UM, I THINK IF THE SUGGESTION FROM COMMISSIONER BLAIR, IT WAS TO BE MORE MIXED USE, THAT COULD TIE INTO SOME OF THE, UH, FUTURE IDEAS THAT DO SOTO HAS, ALTHOUGH A LOT OF THEIR MIXED USE IS FURTHER SOUTH, CLOSER TO THEIR CITY CENTER, UM, THERE ARE STILL LOOKING AT MIXES OF USES, BUT THE PREDOMINANT USE WOULD BE, UM, LOGISTICS ON THEIR SIDE, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, FOLLOW BY COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPLICATIONS OF A CHANGE LIKE THIS ON THE EXISTING DISTRIBUTION CENTERS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA? CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SORRY.

WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPLICATIONS OF, OF, OF CHANGING THIS ON THE EXISTING BUSINESSES? THE DI DISTRIBUTION CENTERS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE? SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY IMPLICATIONS.

THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ZONING CHANGES IN THIS AREA.

SO IN TERMS OF JUST INDICATING KIND OF THE FUTURE, UM, VISION THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO GO IN THIS AREA, IT WOULD BE MORE JUST INDICATING THAT IF THEY WERE TO REZONE OR REDEVELOP, UH, THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF DEVELOP A MORE MIXED USE.

UM, AND THEN ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, INDUSTRIAL NATURE WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTING VERSUS PRIMARY.

SO LAWRENCE, YOU, YOU SPOKE VERY QUICKLY WHEN YOU ANSWERED THAT.

I'M SORRY, YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE NO ZONING CHANGES AS A RESULT OF THIS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE IF YOU HAVE FOLLOW UP.

BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT IF THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, A BUSINESS CLOSES OR WHATEVER, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WANTED TO REOPEN AS A DISTRIBUTION CENTER, THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD, IF WE CHANGE THIS TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN THAT WAY OR TO GET A, A APPROVAL FOR A ZONING CASE.

SO I, I CAN FOR SOME CLARITY.

SO THIS WOULDN'T CHANGE THE ZONING SO THEY COULD CONTINUE WITH THAT USE, UH, UNLESS THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO AS LONG AS THE ZONING REMAINED WHAT IT IS, IT'LL CONTINUE REMAINING THAT IN PERPETUATE PERPETUITY UNLESS THEY DECIDE TO DO A REZONING.

AND THAT REZONING WOULD REFERENCE WHAT THE CURRENT VISION IS IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD THAT CHANGE SHOULD BE.

AND COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT BRINGS UP A, A CRITICAL POINT AND ONE THAT WE HEAR FREQUENTLY ABOUT WHAT THIS PLAN IS AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO.

AND SO I'M, I'M HOPING YOU CAN DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND YOU, AGAIN, YOU SAID THIS WOULD NOT CHANGE THE ZONING A HUNDRED PERCENT.

UH, AND IN FACT, UH, A BUSINESS WHERE THE, THE COLOR ON THIS CHART, ON THIS MAT MAY CHANGE UNDERNEATH THEM, RIGHT.

CAN CONTINUE IN PERPETUITY.

AND CAN RECEIVE A CO RIGHT.

CAN CLOSE DOWN AND CAN OPEN UP 10 YEARS LATER RIGHT.

AND STILL RECEIVE A CO RIGHT.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COLOR IS HERE ON THIS MAP.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND ALSO TOO, TO ADD TO THAT, AS ZONING CHANGES COME INTO THE CITY, WE'LL BE REVIEWING THOSE ZONING CHANGES, WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP INDICATES.

AND THAT MIGHT, UH, HAVE US MAYBE UPDATE OR AMEND THE FUTURE PLACE TYPE MAP TO BE MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, OR WHERE THE VISION IS FROM THE MARKET TOO.

SO IT'S STILL A LIVING DOCUMENT, BUT YES, A HUNDRED PERCENT THIS WOULDN'T CHANGE ZONING.

UH, THEY COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE ZONING HAS ON THE GROUND UNLESS THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE THEIR ZONING.

AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PROCESS TO COME BEFORE YOU ALL TO REVIEW THIS MAP AND GO THROUGH THAT, UH, DISCUSSION WITH WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN ON THE GROUND.

SAY, I WANT TO BUILD AN APARTMENT BUILDING HERE.

SO IF WE CAN JUST DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK ANOTHER THING THAT I HEAR FREQUENTLY ABOUT THIS PROCESS AND WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO IS HOW IS THIS PLAN GONNA BE USED? WHAT IS IT GOING TO, HOW IS IT GONNA INFORM? AND I KNOW THAT WE, WE HEAR THE WORD FROM YOU GUYS, IT'S A SUGGESTION, UH, AND EXACTLY.

WALK ME THROUGH HOW THIS DOCUMENT IS GOING TO BE USED BY STAFF, BY FUTURE PLAN COMMISSION AND BY FUTURE CITY COUNCIL.

SO RIGHT NOW, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED IR.

UM, IT HAS SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT IT WOULD BASICALLY JUST THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS, JUST SAY IT SHOULD BE INDUSTRIAL LAND USES.

SO IF YOU HAVE A WAREHOUSE AND YOU'RE OPERATING YOUR WAREHOUSE, YOU CAN KEEP OPERATING YOUR WAREHOUSE.

IT CAN GO AWAY FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SHUT IT DOWN FOR 10 YEARS.

THE ZONING IS STILL THERE.

YOU CAN KEEP OPERATING THAT WAREHOUSE, YOU CAN SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

THEY CAN OPERATE A WAREHOUSE AND THEY CAN OPERATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD APPLY TO OPERATE DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UM, LIGHTER INDUSTRIAL LAND USES.

THAT'S THEIR ENTITLEMENTS THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THIS DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OF THAT.

NOW, LET'S SAY SOMEONE BUYS THAT PROPERTY AND THEY

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IF WE HAVE THIS AS A LOGISTICAL PLACE TYPE, WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AND SAY, NO, THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR APARTMENTS.

THIS IS A PLACE FOR MORE WAREHOUSES IN A LOGISTICAL CENTER.

SO THAT'S THE VISION FOR THIS AREA.

STAFF WOULD NOT, WOULD USE IT AS A VISION TO SAY WE'RE TAKING THAT IN.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THAT'S NOT ALL OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHERE WE MIGHT RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR THAT.

THAT WOULD THEN ALSO BE WHAT PART OF WHAT CPC AND COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SAY.

WHAT'S THE VISION? THE VISION IS A LOGISTICAL CENTER.

OKAY, AN APARTMENT DOESN'T MATCH THAT VISION.

AGAIN, IT COULD CHANGE BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.

IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE A LOGISTICS CENTER.

IT CAN SAY IT, IT SHOULD BE THAT THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS YOU CAN TAKE IN.

IF WE CALL THIS A MIXED USE AREA AND SOMEONE SAYS, I WANT TO BUILD AN APARTMENT BUILDING HERE, IT WOULD BE THAT VISION TO SAY THAT DOES ALIGN WITH WHAT THAT VISION IS.

THIS DOES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK IN TO SAY WE ARE GONNA RECOMMEND APPROVAL BECAUSE THE VISION IS FOR A MIXED USE AREA, NOT A LOGISTICAL CENTER.

UM, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE WE WILL SAY THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN, IT DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR ENTITLEMENTS.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.

IT DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR ZONING, BUT IT INFORMS ANY FUTURE ZONING CHANGES.

IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE CERTAIN ZONING.

IT JUST IS ONE THING THAT CAN HELP INFORM THOSE DECISIONS ABOUT FUTURE ZONING CHANGES.

IT IT, AS YOU SAID, IT WOULD BE AN INFORMED RECOMMENDATION FOR A ZONING CASE AS IT COMES IN.

AND THEN THIS BODY WOULD DO WHAT IT DOES, WHICH IS TO DIG DOWN AND GO INTO, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS OF THE SITE, THE AREAS OF TRANSITIONING, ALL, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE 30 FACTORS THAT WE ALL CONSIDER IN EACH ZONING CASE.

AND ONE OF THEM WOULD BE THIS, THIS MAP WITH ITS QUOTE, YOU KNOW, ITS SUGGESTION.

AND AS WE SEE HERE EVERY TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME ZONING CASES THAT ALIGN WITH THE VISION THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT A WORKING GROUP COME UP WITH.

SO TIME AGO, SOMETIMES THAT VISION IS A YEAR OLD, SOMETIMES IT'S 20 YEARS OLD.

AND SOMETIMES WE FOLLOW THAT RECOMMENDATION AND MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES WE DON'T BECAUSE THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T ALIGN WITH, ALIGN WITH THE FACTS ON THE GROUND.

IS THAT FAIR? YES.

CHAIR.

UH, 100%.

UM, YOU MAY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WHILE WE, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SAY IT'S THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, AND YOU SAY, OKAY, WELL FLEX COMMERCIAL DOES ALLOW WAREHOUSE, BUT I'M PROPOSING A HALF A MILLION SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE FLEX COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT VERSUS, OH, WELL IT'S A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE.

OKAY, THAT ALIGNS, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M USING THE MAP AS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M TAKING UNDER CONSIDERATION, BUT AS A CHAIR POINTED OUT, IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING YOU WOULD BE TAKING A LOOK AT.

YOU'D BE TAKING A LOOK AT FACTS ON THE GROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE AREA, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE MARKET, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR INPUT AND WHAT THEY'RE TELLING YOU AS WELL.

THANK YOU SIR.

COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

THEN LET ME JUST ASK YOU MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HARDER QUESTION ABOUT OUR PROCESS.

BUT JUST TO HELP ME, PARDON ME, PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND THOUGH IF, UH, IT IS, UM, THE PLACE TYPE IS TO BE COMMUNITY MIXED FOR USE, AND WHAT'S THERE NOW IS DISTRIBUTION CENTERS AND WAREHOUSES, THEN TECHNICALLY THAT, THAT'S A NON-CONFORMING LAND USE FOR.

SO THAT GETS BACK TO ZONING.

THE NON-CONFORMITY IS THE ZONING.

AND, UH, THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ZONING.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE THOSE NON-CONFORMING LAND USES.

THEY'RE STILL, 'CAUSE THERE'S NO, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE LAW, THE ZONING FOR THOSE.

UM, YES, IF THIS DOES CHANGE TO A COMMUNITY, MAKES USE OF SAYING IT SHOULD PROGRESS TO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAN JUST THOSE WAREHOUSES.

THAT'S NOT, THOSE WAREHOUSES DOESN'T SAY THAT.

IT HAS TO, DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING.

JUST THAT THE FUTURE VISION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.

COMMISSIONER HOUSER, UM, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OR A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

UM, I COMPLETELY RESPECT THE VISION THAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR IS ARTICULATING.

I UNDERSTAND.

I THINK THE ISSUES THAT SHE'S ARTICULATING IN HER COMMUNITY, UM, I, I'LL I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE, WE CAN DO THAT ON THIS PLACE MAP AS, AS SHE SUGGESTS.

AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WE WILL LIKELY STILL GET ZONING CASES FROM PEOPLE COMING IN, THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER, WAREHOUSE DEVELOPERS COMING IN BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BID UP THE LAND VALUES BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK THIS LAND IS BECAUSE OF THE MACRO ECONOMIC AND, AND TRANSPORTATION, UH, UH, FACTORS THAT IMPINGE UPON THIS AREA.

AND SO THIS KIND OF GOES TO A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT WE DID LAST TIME ON THE BACHMAN LAKE AREA.

IT'S FINE FOR US TO SAY OUR VISION IS IS SOMETHING SLIGHTLY LESS INTENSE THAN WHAT'S THERE TODAY.

WE JUST HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THAT IS A UPHILL BATTLE, UM, IN THAT THERE'S, THERE'S AN ECONOMIC UNDERPINNING TO SO MUCH OF WHAT WE DO HERE.

AND, AND I'M NOT CRITICIZING THOSE VISIONS.

I JUST WANT US TO BE VERY AWARE THAT, THAT THOSE, SOME OF THOSE VISIONS WILL NOT BE ACHIEVABLE.

AND THEN LET ME, YOU DON'T NEED TO COMMENT ON THAT.

I, AND

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UM, IMPORTANT DISTRICT, IMPORTANT ISSUE.

I'M SURE EVERYONE ON THIS HORSESHOE COULD SPEND TWO HOURS ON OUR DISTRICT.

SO WHY THIS DISTRICT? WHY THIS CASE? WHY NOW? WHAT ARE, WHAT, HOW DOES THIS, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS RIGHT NOW? RIGHT.

SO I THINK GOOD QUESTION.

SO AS WE ARE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM EACH OF YOU ALL, ONE-ON-ONES, UH, ALSO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND JUST OTHER FACTORS, UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST BRING UP CERTAIN AREAS THAT BASICALLY WHAT YOU SAID THERE IS, THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS THAT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE OR MOVE TOWARD A PARTICULAR DIRECTION FROM A PLACE TYPE CHANGE, TWO THINGS COULD OCCUR.

ONE, IF IT'S DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S ON THE GROUND, UM, THINKING THROUGH THE NEXT STEP OF THAT WOULD EITHER BE SOME KIND OF ZONING CHANGE, AUTHORIZED HEARING, UH, THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

IF NOT, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE PLACE TYPES THAT WE HAVE HERE JUST DON'T THEY MEAN SOMETHING.

TH COULDN CAN'T YOU BUNDLE THESE AND ORGANIZE THIS, THIS ONE-OFF KIND OF TH THIS IS NOT, NOT A GOOD USE OF THE COMMISSION'S TIME IN MY, IN MY OPINION.

I, I DON'T, I THINK OPENING UP A CASE LIKE THIS, THIS SMALL, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY, YOU'RE NOT USING OUR TIME WELL.

SO I THINK WE'RE ALL GETTING, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE WEARY OF IT.

JUST TO CLARIFY TOO, SO WITHIN THIS ENTIRE CITY, THERE ARE ONLY, THERE ARE FEW AREAS THAT WE JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION FROM.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST THAT FEEDBACK.

UH, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT APPROACH, THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS WE NEED, THERE'S A BUNCH OF AREAS WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON.

SO WHY THIS ONE, WHY NOW JUST MENTIONED STAFF HAD SOME THOUGHTS VERSUS WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE CBC MEMBER.

JUST WANTED TO GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE BODY.

WELL, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE TALKING TO THE, TO THE CHAIR, THE COMMISSION AND OTHERS ABOUT OUR AGENDA ON THESE TIMES BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR TIME IS VALUABLE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING RESPECTED IN THESE BRIEFINGS.

DEFINITELY.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER IRV.

SO WE, WE HOPPED INTO THESE, THESE KEY UPDATES.

I GUESS AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST MEETING, AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT WE, THERE WAS A LIST OF MAYBE 15 AREAS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE THAT ARE WORTHY OF THAT, THAT CITY STAFF THINKS ARE WORTHY OF ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE ARE HANDFUL OF MAYBE NOT AREAS THAT ARE, ARE WERE FOR DISCUSSION.

I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THEM THAT WE WANTED TO COME.

AND WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE HERE, ARE WE? NO, WE'RE NOT.

THERE'S JUST A FEW THAT WE WANTED TO TALK, TALK ABOUT THREE TON OF TOTAL.

THIS IS THE SECOND ONE.

UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WE HAD INTERNALLY WITH YOU.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE SORT OF ILLUSTRATIVE OF SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE AS, AS CITY STAFF.

AND PART OF THE REASON FOR HOPPING INTO THESE TWO TO THREE IS TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT THE TRADE OFFS SO CITY STAFF CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS INDIVIDUALLY OUTSIDE THE HORSESHOE.

TO DEAL WITH THAT SORT OF FINE TUNING.

SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SPEND AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS.

WE'RE TRYING TO SORT OF GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE SO EVERY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION CAN UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE TENSIONS THAT WE FEEL.

SO THESE CONVERSATIONS LATER ON CAN BE REALLY WELL INFORMED.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, FILE THAT.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET VERY MEANINGFUL INSIGHT FROM ME ON THAT.

I, I THINK I RESPECTFULLY WANNA ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER HOUSER IS SAYING.

IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO POP INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS.

WE GET AN AGENDA THAT SAYS FORWARD DALLAS BRIEFING.

IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY ANYTHING ELSE.

IT DOESN'T SAY WITH REGARD TO THESE AREAS, WE DON'T GET THIS HANDOUT REALLY IN ENOUGH TIME TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

SO WE'RE JUST SITTING HERE EATING LUNCH AROUND THE HORSESHOE, TALKING ABOUT NO DISRESPECT, REDBIRD, WHICH I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT ENOUGH ABOUT TO GIVE YOU THAT MUCH INPUT.

AND I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH FAIR NOTICE TO EDUCATE MYSELF ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME.

SO I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WASTING MY TIME IF YOU WANT MEANINGFUL IMPACT FROM THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.

I NEED AN AGENDA.

I NEED THE MATERIALS AND ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT IT.

I'VE BEEN TO PUBLIC MEETINGS OR, OR PRIVATE MEETINGS ON FORWARD DALLAS EVERY NIGHT THIS WEEK.

I'VE GOTTEN HOME AT 11 OR 12 EVERY NIGHT THIS WEEK.

AND NOW I'M HERE.

AND NOW WE'RE EXPECTED TO COME TO A NUMBER OF PUBLICLY CALLED MEETINGS ON THIS.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE AT THOSE SAME MEETINGS AND THAT YOU'RE WORKING HARD AS WELL.

BUT IF WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE EDUCATED DISCUSSIONS, HEY, SURPRISE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME PART OF THE CITY YOU MAY NOT BE ALL THAT FAMILIAR WITH AND SOME NUANCED DISCUSSION.

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AND I'M PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS THAT WAY.

SO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS AN HOUR HERE OR AN HOUR, THERE IS NOT, I THINK A GOOD USE OF OUR TIME.

IF YOU WANNA SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, HERE'S THE NEXT THING.

HERE'S WHAT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT ON THE 11TH.

HERE'S WHEN YOU CAN EXPECT AN UPDATED MAP.

HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT IN TERMS OF THE TOPICS WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS.

THAT'S HELPFUL.

BUT HERE'S A SPECIFIC THING WE WANNA TALK ABOUT TODAY.

AND YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY.

I, I DON'T FIND THAT HELPFUL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HELP WE CAN PROVIDE YOU.

THAT'S, IF THAT FEEDBACK'S HELPFUL TO YOU, GREAT.

IF NOT, I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS DOING.

NO, THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A FAIR POINT, MS. GILLIS.

I, I THINK THE FEEDBACK, SO ANDREA GIL IS PLANNING AN URBAN DESIGN.

I THINK THE FEEDBACK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS WHAT DOES THIS BODY NEED? WE ARE TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER, WE HEAR DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE HEAR ONE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER THAT'S CLEARLY FRUSTRATED.

UM, BUT THEN WE HAVE MEETINGS WHERE Y'ALL SAY, OKAY, COME BACK TO US DURING OUR LUNCH AND GIVE US A BRIEFING WHEN WE CAN FIT CERTAIN THINGS IN.

WHAT DO YOU ALL NEED? I THINK AT THE BODY, YOU ALL TELL US HOW YOU WANT THIS TO MOVE FORWARD, WHAT IS MOST EFFECTIVE FOR YOU.

AND WE WILL DO THAT.

SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT HELPFUL FOR US TO HEAR THAT WE'RE WASTING YOUR TIME.

WE DON'T WANNA BE WASTING YOUR TIME.

SO I THINK THE BODY NEEDS TO DECIDE AND LET US KNOW HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO US TO PROCEED.

WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO COME, WE CAN COME WITH A FULL PACKAGE OF THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD.

WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT.

WE'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

WE'RE HERE, WE FIT IN AN HOUR BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU NEEDED TO, YOU WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO, TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE SMALLER THINGS.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT FROM US, WHAT THE TIMING IS AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AND DECIDE AS A BODY COLLECTIVELY MM-HMM, SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.

THANK YOU MS. GIL.

I, I THINK, UH, THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSIONERS BRING A FAIR POINT.

UH, WE, THIS IS A LOT TO CONSIDER.

IT'S COMPLICATED, IT'S BIG.

AND I THINK TO GET INPUT FROM US, WE MAYBE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADS UP AS TO THE DETAIL OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING.

AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S DIFFICULT FOR YOU.

YOU DIDN'T KNOW TODAY IF YOU WERE GONNA HAVE 10 MINUTES OR AN HOUR.

IN FACT, WE JUST DECIDED RIGHT BEFORE LUNCH, WE, I HONESTLY THOUGHT YOU WERE PROBABLY GONNA GET 20 MINUTES.

IT ENDED UP THAT YOU GOT AN HOUR.

SO YOU DO HAVE TO IMPROVISE A LITTLE BIT.

BUT I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HOUSE RIGHT, ARE ARE ON POINT WHERE THE INPUT FROM US, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HEADS UP.

I, I KNOW I DO.

'CAUSE I I NEED TO DO MY HOMEWORK AND, AND READ AND THINK ABOUT IT.

UH, AND SO MAYBE ESPECIALLY FOR OUR MEETING NEXT THURSDAY, LET'S HAVE A DETAILED AGENDA.

EXACTLY WHAT WE HOPE TO, TO GET TO, WHAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER AND WHAT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT.

UM, WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT SHORT ON TIME COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK WE HAVE COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

WELL, I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING SHORT ON TIME AND, AND I HOPE YOU'LL FORGIVE ME IF I'M REHASHING GROUND THAT I HASHED LAST WEEK.

BUT, UM, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK OR I, I TALKED TO YOU TWO INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT, ABOUT AN AREA THAT YOU SAW ON YOUR MAP TO BE COMMUNITY MIXED USE, WHICH IS A FAIRLY LOW DENSITY ZONING EVEN COMPARED TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY.

AND IF YOU ADD ON WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION, IT, IT, IT'S A MUCH HIGHER ZONING CATEGORY, MUCH MORE DENSE ZONING CATEGORY THAN THIS CATEGORY.

SO I I, I GUESS THE THING THAT IT MADE ME REALIZE IS IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO INTERACT WITH YOU GUYS NOW SO THAT WE GET THAT, UH, COLORED THE RIGHT WAY ON THE MAP OR FUTURE LAND USE IS GONNA BE A REAL DIFFICULT PROBLEM IF WE ARE ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE MUCH MORE DENSE ZONING THAN WE HAD IN MIND.

SO I GUESS WHAT THAT'S SAYING IN A LONG WAY IS I, I I I, I HAVE A FEELING I, THE FEELING I HAD BEFORE WAS THIS MAP WAS A, WAS A GENERAL, UM, INDICATION OF WHERE THE PLAN MIGHT GO.

BUT I NEVER, I NEVER REALLY FELT LIKE IF, IF, IF THIS MAP WAS NOT COLORED THE WAY I THINK IT SHOULD BE OR THE, THE WAY

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I, THAT ALIGNS WITH MY FUTURE PLANS, THAT I REALLY BETTER START THE BATTLE EARLIER AND TALK WITH YOU GUYS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS THE RIGHT, UH, NOMENCLATURE ON THERE ARE OTHERWISE, BUT I GO TO DO WHAT I'M WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNING ON DOING.

I MAY HAVE A VERY TOUGH TIME DOING THAT.

SO IT, IT, I YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD, WHICH I'M, WHICH I'M GATHERING IS AN AFFIRMATION IF, IF THAT'S CORRECT, I JUST THINK IT, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR DISTRICTS UNDERSTAND THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HOW THIS MAP GETS DRAWN OR YOU MAY FIND IT DIFFICULT TO DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO IN THE FUTURE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, COMMISSIONER, WERE THERE.

AND JUST TO KIND OF STEP BACK IN TERMS OF THE ASK FROM STAFF, UH, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, AND WE'VE REQUESTED, YOU KNOW, ONE-ON-ONES WITH EACH OF YOU ALL TO TALK THROUGH YOUR DISTRICT, THE PLACE TYPE MAP AND KIND OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO TOO, AS WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS, IS CONNECT THE DOTS IN TERMS OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH EACH OF YOU ALL.

INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE OFF CONVERSATIONS, CREATE A PLAY STOP MAP THAT HAS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE NEVER SEEN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, WITH THE ENTIRETY OF THE, THE FEEDBACK WITH EACH OF YOU ALL.

SO AS WE CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN YOUR DISTRICT, UH, IF SOME, IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE ERRORS THAT COME UP THAT COULD GET MORE FEEDBACK OR MORE, UH, INPUT FROM THE BODY, THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AND HAPPEN AND HAVE HAPPEN.

SO THAT, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF KIND OF COMING HERE, COMING HERE.

BUT I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT MENTIONED, I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF KIND OF CRAFTING IT, UH, TO HELP YOU ALL GET THAT INPUT FOR US.

THE PREVIOUS BODY THAT WE WERE WITHIN, UH, THEY, THEY SUGGESTED DOING IT A PARTICULAR SIMILAR WAY.

I THINK THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED A BIT JUST TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH ENOUGH TIME, WITH ENOUGH AMMUNITION AND KNOWLEDGE, UH, TO GIVE UP THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

I'LL BE QUICK.

UM, FIRST THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THIS AREA FOR MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT ONE.

A LOT OF US TOUCH THIS ISSUE AND IT'S HUGE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITY.

UM, THE WHOLE FOCUS AROUND THIS PLAN WAS AROUND EQUITY, UM, AND, AND BEING EQUITABLE TO THE PEOPLE WHO WE'VE FORGOTTEN OVER THE YEARS.

THAT'S BEEN A HUGE PART OF OUR PLAN IS THE CITY AS EMPLOYMENT EMPLOYEES, CITIZENS FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO THE, UM, THE, UH, UM, UM, MANAGER, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

SO I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE INPUT FROM OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE EMOTIONS ARE REALLY HIGH IN OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO HOUSING.

UM, THIS, THIS AREA STRETCHES ACROSS 20, WHICH IS 50% OF THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

SO THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS CONVERSATION IS HIGH FOR ME AND THE PEOPLE THAT I DEAL WITH AT MY MEETINGS THAT ARE COMING UP, UM, AS OR OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE AREA.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HELPFUL TO ME TO GO BACK TO MY COMMUNITY IN REGARDS TO THE PLANS THEMSELVES.

I'VE SEEN FIVE LARGE WAREHOUSES GO UP IN MY AREA AND AT EACH CASE A CITIZEN CAME UP AND SAID, THIS IS AGAINST THE SOUTHWEST DALLAS PLAN.

THEY WERE APPROVED ANYWAY.

SO I JUST FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THESE CONVERSATIONS HAPPEN AND THERE'S SO MUCH STRENGTH PUT BEHIND THESE AREA PLANS.

AND THEN THE SOUTHERN SECTORS USES THEIR AREA PLAN AS A TOOL AND THEY'RE STILL REJECTED.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, LET'S KEEP EQUITY IN MIND.

UNDERSTANDING THE AREAS.

YES, I GET IT ALL.

UM, BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS CONVERSATION IS REALLY HIGH FOR ME AND MY COMMUNITY.

NOT NATIVE TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER.

UM, I HAD A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION IN, UM, WITH CITY STAFF, UM, THIS MORNING AND, AND I DID KEEP CITY STAFF PRAISE OF SOME THINGS THAT THAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK THAT I MET WITH THE COMMUNITY GROUP WHO WAS HAVING A HARD TIME WITH PLACE TYPES, UM, WHICH WAS THE CHOPPY COMMUNITY.

AND I TOOK THE TIME TO EXPLAIN SOME THINGS TO THEM AND I, AND I, AND I WORK REALLY WELL WITH CALLING ANDREA AND, AND, AND PATRICK AND TO GET THOSE INFORMATIONS OUT.

I THINK THAT WAS REALLY MISSING IT.

AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS TIME CONSUMING THAT WE ALWAYS DON'T HAVE UPDATES.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT I FOUND OUT THIS MORNING THAT THIS BODY USED TO TAKE TOURS IN THE MORNING AND WE'RE, WE'RE, IF WE CAN TAKE SOME, WE MIGHT NEED TO TAKE SOME TOURS AS A BODY TO THESE DIFFERENT AREAS AND UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S IN, IN HIGH REGARD.

UM, PEOPLE IN, AGAIN, NORTH OF 30 REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT THEY'RE IN SOUTH OF 30.

WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND.

SO IT'S MISCONSTRUED ON WHAT IS BEING ASKED OR WHAT THE PLACE TYPES MIGHT BE.

WHAT, WHAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER PLANNED, THEY'VE, EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE OR FOR THEM HAS BEEN PLANNED BY THE CITY OR FOR SOMEONE THAT IS

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WHERE WE'RE JUST NOW, WE'RE BEHIND THE BOOK AGAIN, WE KNOW I'M 47 AND I'M IN COLLEGE FOR URBAN PLANNING BECAUSE I NEVER KNEW WHAT AN URBAN PLANNING WAS.

AND SO JUST IMAGINE THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE, THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

SO I UNDER GETTING US INFORMATION EARLIER WILL REALLY HELP.

UM, THE REASON THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE AREAS MAYBE CAN HELP OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UM, UNDERSTAND.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY DID NOT POP, DID NOT PLAN.

THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY DID NOT PAY PLAY IN THE DISTRIBUTION AREA, THE INLAND PORT.

THEY HAD NO SAY.

AND IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN AROUND AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, THIS IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT.

WE, IS THIS GONNA CAUSE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE? ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

SO I AGREE HALF, I DO AGREE WITH SOME OF IT THAT YOU DEFINITELY, WE NEED TO GET THAT OUT ON WHAT THOSE BRIEFING IS GONNA LOOK LIKE AND, AND BE INCLUSIVE.

AND WE NEED TO CROSS, WE NEED TO CROSS BORDER LINES BECAUSE THIS BODY AS A WHOLE VOTES ON EVERYTHING, NOT JUST ONE COMMISSIONER.

AND WE NEED TO CROSS SOME BORDERLINES TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT IS ALWAYS IN AND, AND, AND KINDA IN AN UPROAR ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

SO DO WE NEED TO KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE VERY UNEDUCATED ON EVEN WHAT FORWARD, FORWARD DALLAS IS.

UM, I, I GET TO HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE BECAUSE FORWARD DALLAS IS WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH AREA PLANS.

SO I WAS A CHAIR ON THE AREA PLAN AND HAD GOT TO GET SOME LEARNING FIRSTHAND WITH CITY STAFF.

SO GET THE INFORMATION OUT A LITTLE EASIER.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE INLAND PORT IS NOT JUST CONTROLLED, UM, BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.

IT'S CONTROLLED BY WILMER, UM, HUTCHINS, DESOTO, UM, DUNCANVILLE LANCASTER.

AND WHEN YOU GO TO CROSSING LINES, DALLAS HAS TO DO THEIR PART ON THAT 25% TO ENSURE THAT THE CITIZEN OF, OF DALLAS IS PROTECTED FIRST AND FOREMOST FROM ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

AND THEN WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE BECAUSE IT DO OFFER GREAT JOBS.

UM, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE AT A COST OF OUR COMMUNITY.

GO AHEAD AND BEGIN THE HEARING NOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.

UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT, IT'S 1231 AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

WE'LL

[CALL TO ORDER ]

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

MS. PACINO, CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL? THANK YOU.

DISTRICT ONE, PRESENT.

DISTRICT TWO PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE PRESENT.

DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE, DISTRICT SIX PRESENT.

DISTRICT SEVEN PRESENT.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

DISTRICT NINE HERE.

DISTRICT 10, PRESENT DISTRICT 11, VACANT.

DISTRICT 12 PRESENT.

DISTRICT 13 HERE.

DISTRICT 14 HERE AND PLACE 15.

INTO THE DOCKET WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO, ITEM NUMBER TWO

YOU HAVE QUORUM CHAIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. PINA.

GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 4TH, 2020 4, 12 30 2:00 PM WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLANE COMMISSION.

HAVE A COUPLE OF VERY QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.

UH, OUR SPEAKING GUIDELINES, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.

UH, MS. PINA WILL KEEP TIME AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.

UH, PER OUR RULES ON CASES WHERE THERE IS OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.

UH, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING.

WE WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.

I WILL ASK OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING.

UH, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

IF WE CAN'T SEE YOU, WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU.

UM, ALSO ASK ALL, UH, SPEAKERS TO PLEASE BEGIN THEIR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

THEN ALSO, JUST ONE QUICK LONG ANNOUNCEMENT.

UH, WE'RE GONNA VERY RESPECTFULLY ASK ALL FOLKS THAT HAVE POWERPOINTS AND PRESENTATIONS, UH, TO PRESENT TO THIS BODY TO SEND THEM, UH, TO MS. PINA AHEAD OF TIME.

UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE BEFORE THE DAY OF THE HEARING.

UM, AND I WILL LET, UH, ALL OF YOU THAT, UH, FREQUENT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, GET TOGETHER WITH STAFF TO FIND OUT THE, THE LOGISTICS ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I THINK IT WOULD MAKE OUR, OUR WORK, UH, MORE EFFICIENT AND THE QUESTIONS COMING FROM THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE TO, UH, TO YOU, UH, MUCH MORE INFORMED IF WE HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE POWERPOINTS AHEAD OF TIME.

AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

JUMP RIGHT

[2. 24-1168 application for a minor amendment to the existing development plan and landscape plan on property zoned Planned Development Subdistrict No. 148 within Planned Development District No. 193, on the northwest corner of Buena Vista Street and North Fitzhugh Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Luke Kvasnicka, Michael Hsu Office of Architecture Representative: Drew Martin Planner: Sheila Alcantara Segovia Council District: 14 ]

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M 2 34 DASH 0 0 4, AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

SUBDISTRICT NUMBER 1 48 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 1 93 ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BUENA VISTA AND NORTH FITZ HU AVENUE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YOU HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ONLINE.

ARE THEY ONLINE? LUKE? YES, I'M ONLINE.

UH, MY NAME IS LUKE FKA.

I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH MICHAEL SHU, OFFICE OF ARCHITECTURE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.

UM, THE ADDRESS, 8 2 6 AUSTIN STREET, AUSTIN, TEXAS.

UM, I, NOTHING FURTHER TO COMMENT, BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS OR THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF M 2 3 4 DASH FOUR I? WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

I SECOND IT.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO OUR ZONING CASES AND CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH CONSISTS OF CASES THREE THROUGH SIX.

[Zoning Cases - Consent ]

UH, CASES FOUR AND SIX HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF THE CONSENT SO THAT THERE WILL BE DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY.

THAT LEAVES CASES THREE AND FIVE THAT WILL BE TAKEN IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE THREE OR CASE NUMBER FIVE, AND THEN WE WILL PULL IT OFF CONSENT AND HEAR IT INDIVIDUALLY.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE THREE OR CASE NUMBER FIVE, BOTH ON PAGE TWO OF YOUR AGENDA? OKAY, LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.

ITEM THREE IS Z 2 2 3 1 9 8.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON PROPERTY ZONED AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF BONNIE VIEW ROAD NORTH LOGISTICS DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ONE APPROVAL OF LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND TWO, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

AND ITEM SIX OR ITEM FIVE IS Z 2 23 2 50.

THAT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT USES AND AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY USE ON PROPERTY ZONED IN MF TWO MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAKLAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF OAKLAWN ROAD, NORTHEAST OF LEMON AVENUE.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEMS ITEM THREE AND FIVE? CAN YOU MAKE THE MOTION COMMISSION PLEASE? I WOULD NEED A MOTION.

IN THE MATTER THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTING OF ITEMS THREE AND FIVE.

I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL AS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

UH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND FOR ITEMS THREE AND FIVE, QUICK COMMENT PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER RUBEN COMMENTS, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WORTH PULLING FIVE OFF OF CONSENT, BUT JUST WANTED TO MENTION NOW THAT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, THAT THE LANGUAGE LIMITING THE ACCESSORIES IS TO RESIDENTS ONLY SHOULD PROBABLY BE TWEAKED TO RESIDENTS AND GUESTS BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTED ON THE RECORD.

THANKS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER .

UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON I ITEM FIVE AND, UH, MY SUPPORT FOR THAT ITEM.

YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GETTING HERE IS A PROJECT THAT'S GOING FROM, UM, BY MY ESTIMATION, ABOUT 46 UNITS TO 170 UNITS.

WE'RE GETTING IT IN A LOW RISE FORMAT AND WE'RE GETTING A TYPE OF HOUSING THAT, UM, IS, UH, VERY MUCH NEEDED IN THE CITY.

I THINK IT'S JUST A HUGE WIN AND I HOPE THIS COMMISSION SEES MORE CASES LIKE THIS.

UH, THIS IS AN EASY YES.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? C NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

GO TO, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

SECONDED THAT, THAT WAS A MOTION BY OF VICE CHAIR RUBIN.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSE.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

LET'S

[4. 24-1170 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2337 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise food store 3,500 square feet or less on property zoned an RR Regional Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the southwest corner of Great Trinity Forest Way and Murdock Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a two-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional two-year periods, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Robert Nunez Planner: Giahanna Bridges Council District: 8 Z223-236(GB) ]

GO TO CASE NUMBER FOUR.

THIS BRIDGES GOOD AFTERNOON.

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NUMBER 2, 3 3 7 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTIES ZONE RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GREAT TRINITY FOREST WAY AND MURDOCK ROAD.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

SEE APPLICANT HERE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE.

HE'S ONLINE.

UH, HE JUST EMAILED ME AND SAID HE WAS ONLINE BUT HE WASN'T ABLE TO REGISTER TO SPEAK.

HELLO, MY NAME IS ROBERT NUNEZ.

UH, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? PARDON ME ONE SECOND, SIR.

JUST ONE SECOND.

I'M SORRY, MR. MOORE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER HANTON HAS A, A QUESTION FOR YOU MR. MOORE? YES, MA'AM.

MR. MOORE, WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO REGISTER FOR THE DEADLINE, BUT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE TO ADDRESS US ON THIS CASE.

WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW FOR HIM TO BE HEARD? THAT'S, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BODY WANTS TO DO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BODY CAN DO.

MR. CHAIR, I SO MOVE THAT WE ALLOW MR. NUNEZ, UM, OUR TYPICAL TIME TO ADDRESS THE BODY REGARDING THIS MATTER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

AND SECOND, MY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

UH, MR. NUNEZ, WE'RE READY FOR YOU, SIR.

WE HAD THREE MINUTES AND PLEASE MAKE SURE.

HELLO GUYS, MY NAME IS, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA IS ON.

YES, WE MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME NOW? NOT YET.

I THINK THAT IT MIGHT BE WORKING NOW.

WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.

MY NAME IS ROBERT NUNEZ AND I LIVE AT FIVE 13 MULBERRY LANE IN DESOTO, AND I AM WITH ALCHEMY DP AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS SUP PERMIT.

UH, THIS IS FOR 80 98 SOUTH, UH, LOOP 12 OR SOUTH GRADE TRINITY FOREST WAY.

UM, WE REQUESTED A THREE YEAR, UM, SUP RENEWAL AND WE'VE DONE THIS RENEWAL MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.

SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU GUYS.

UM, MR. NUNEZ, UH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING.

I, UM, YOUR SUP EXPIRED OVER A YEAR AGO.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THIS IS NOT, YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS HOW LONG WE, THIS STORE HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS UNDER THE SAME MANAGEMENT.

UM, I'M, I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE.

I'M NOT THE OWNER OF THE STORE.

SO THE, THIS FACILITY HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL LONGER THAN 10 YEARS AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE, CORRECT? CORRECT, YES, MA'AM.

AND YOU MAY, AND, AND YOU MAY HAVE TAKEN OVER THE, YOU DID YOU TAKE OVER THE, WERE YOU SAYING YOU TOOK OVER THE FACILITY, UM, MANAGEMENT, UH, SIX YEARS AGO? IS THAT CORRECT? NO, MA'AM.

NO, NO, NO.

I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE.

I'M WITH ALCHEMY DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.

UH, THE SAME OWNER THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS, MEANING THERE HASN'T BEEN NO CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP FOR THIS PROJECT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE SUP WAS ABLE TO EXPIRE, UM, AND WITHOUT IT BEING TIMELY RENEWED? YES.

SO YOU, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SUP PROCESS, CORRECT? CORRECT, MA'AM.

AND

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UH, INITIAL, THE INITIAL, WE SUBMITTED LAST YEAR SOMETIME, AND WE SUBMITTED IN, IN, WITHIN THE SIX MONTH WINDOW.

UH, THE ISSUE, WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT WE, WE WAITED FOR A WHILE.

INITIALLY IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE RUNNING A LITTLE BEHIND RIGHT NOW, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN AFTERWARDS WE WERE REQUESTED TO HAVE THE, THE C 12 OR THE, YEAH, THE C 12, I BELIEVE IT IS.

THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONVENIENCE STORE REGISTRATION, THE, THE ANNUAL IT GOT, IT WAS EXPIRED.

AND SO WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND WE WAITED ON THAT PROCESS.

THAT PROCESS TOOK, TOOK PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS TO GET DONE.

AND AS SOON AS WE GOT IT DONE, AND IF YOU SPEAK TO MS. GIANNA, SHE EXPLAINED TO YOU THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE BEEN, WE'VE WAITED FOR THAT PROCESS TO GET DONE, UH, FOR PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE, SIX MONTHS, UM, UNTIL WE GOT IT DONE.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY.

IT WAS JUST PERMITTING PROCESSES THAT KIND OF TOOK US THEN, BUT WE DID SUBMIT WITHIN THE WINDOW THAT THEN THE SIX MONTH WINDOW THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT.

SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING TO THIS BODY THAT YOUR, YOU RE SENT, YOU WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO RENEW YOUR SUP PRIOR TO ITS EXPIRATION, AND IT WAS STAFF'S RE RESPON THAT THAT STAFF, UM, SOMEHOW DID NOT FOLLOW THE CORRECT PROCESS TO RENEW YOUR, YOUR SUP? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I, I DIDN'T SAY IT DIDN'T FOLLOW THE CORRECT PROCESS.

I'M SAYING THAT THAT THE SUP PROCESS CURRENTLY AT THE CITY OF DALLAS, IT'S TAKING A LITTLE LONGER THAN NORMAL, AND I'M NOT CERTAIN WHY, BUT WE DID SUBMIT ON TIME.

IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SUBMITTAL DATE, WE DID SUBMIT WAY BEFORE THE, THE EXPIRATION DATE.

SO LET ME, LET ME CHANGE FOCUS.

WHEN YOUR SUP WAS RENEWED, UM, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO YES, MA'AM.

WERE YOU WERE, DO YOU NOT, WELL, DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THAT AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME THAT ALL THAT, THAT THE CONCERNS OF, UM, OF, OF LACK OF MAINTENANCE WAS, WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS SHARED WITH YOU AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME? THAT, THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE A LONGER SUP? UM, I DO NOT REMEMBER ANY CONCERNS AT THE TIME IF THEY WERE MADE.

I, I CERTAINLY, UH, MAYBE, UH, SOMEONE ELSE FROM OUR, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT DO THE SEP, MAYBE THEY'RE AWARE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

MAYBE THEY WERE BROUGHT UP AND WE WERE, I WAS JUST NOT TOLD, UH, AHEAD OF TIME.

BUT IF I WOULD'VE BEEN TOLD THEN I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE, UH, TOLD THE OWNER.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE OWNER DID MAKE CORRECTIONS.

UM, THEY IMPROVED THE, THEIR, UH, THEIR CAMERA SYSTEM, UH, BECAUSE THE STORE NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY, UH, THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A LOT OF, UH, POLICE CALLS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME ON THE STORE LITERALLY NEXT TO THIS ONE.

AND SO THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY DECIDED TO IMPROVE, THE CAMERAS IMPROVE, UM, THEY ACTUALLY HIRE SOMEONE ELSE TO BE ON SITE.

SO BASICALLY NOW BEFORE THEY HAD ONLY ONE PERSON ON THE FRONT, AND THEN ANOTHER PERSON THAT'S DOING IN THE KITCHEN.

NOW, THEY HAVE TWO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, AND THEN THE MANAGERS THERE AS WELL.

AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS DONE.

MAYBE WE DIDN'T RELATE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO GIANNA THE PLANNER.

UH, BUT THERE WAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE DONE TO THIS PROPERTY.

PRIOR TO THIS SEP SUBMITTAL, DID YOUR BUSINESS UPDATE OR, OR HAVE THEIR CAMERA PROCESS ALREADY IN PLACE AT THAT PART WHEN, UM, THE LAST SUP WAS RENEWED? NO, MA'AM.

NO, NO, NO.

IT'S BEEN WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF THAT THEY MADE THOSE CORRECTIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, MR. NUNES FOR YOU, SIR? UM, YES MA'AM.

SORRY.

NO WORRIES.

UH, I, I DO REMEMBER THIS CASE WHEN IT WAS BEFORE, IT'S THE LAST TIME, BUT I, I DON'T REMEMBER YOU SPEAKING AT MAYBE YOUR COMPANY WAS, WAS, UH, THE REP OF RECORD FOR THIS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING YOU.

YES, YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.

THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE THAT WAS REPRESENTING US OKAY.

FOR THE S IN THE PAST, AND WE HAD CONCERNS WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL.

AND NOW I'M HANDLING THESE PROCESSES NOW.

EXCELLENT.

THAT'S JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T REMEMBER YOU AND I, I TEND TO REMEMBER THE, THE FOLKS THAT, THAT REP CASES YES.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN

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ISSUE.

BUT DID YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT HEARING? NO, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION BY THE PREVIOUS REPRESENTATIVE THAT, THAT THERE WERE NO CONCERNS BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED.

BUT YES, ACTUALLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OWNER ABOUT THIS.

UM, HE TOLD ME, HE SAID, WELL, THIS TIME THEY, THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR TWO YEARS AGAIN, AND WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.

THEY SAID, WE HAVEN'T BEEN CALLING THE POLICE.

WE'VE BEEN, UH, TAKING CARE OF OUR, OUR, OUR CAMERAS.

WE'VE BEEN, WE ADDED STAFF.

AND SO HE, HE HAS TOLD ME THIS.

AND SO THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR HIM.

BUT IT, BUT IT DID, IT DIDN'T COME UP UNTIL WE FINALLY SAW THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM STAFF.

THAT'S WHENEVER I REALIZED, BECAUSE OUR REQUEST WORKED FOR A THREE YEAR.

SO, OKAY.

AND, AND SO I, BUT WE'LL MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS NOW.

I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, UH, DISCUSSION, EVERY LITTLE DETAIL, BUT I DO REMEMBER AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE PERIPHERY OF IT.

AND, AND I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I DO REMEMBER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE, THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION TENDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT HOT.

AND YES, SIR, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ON THIS BODY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE LOITERING.

UH, I HAVE OBSERVED LOITERING AT THIS SITE, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES.

UH, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN FROM THIS BODY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MANAGEMENT.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE DO A LOT OF THESE AND, AND WE DO KNOW WHAT YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THE CRIME STATS, THEY GET REGISTERED FROM THE NUMBER THAT IS CALLED.

AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS WHERE THE, THE CRIME IS OCCURRING.

UH, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US, UH, TAKE THOSE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

SO THEN, YOU KNOW, WE ASK AROUND AND WE KNOW OUR, OUR, OUR DISTRICTS AND WE KNOW THE GOOD OPERATORS.

UH, I WAS HOPING, HONESTLY, THAT YOU WOULD'VE GONE BACK AND WATCHED THAT HEARING BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THOSE, SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME MAY BE A CONCERN THIS TIME.

AND, AND, AND, AND NOW THAT I'M HERE LISTENING, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE WILL CERTAINLY, UH, WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE OWNER.

AND I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE WERE CORRECTIONS MADE PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

'CAUSE WHEN I SAT DOWN AND I SPOKE TO HIM, AND HE DID TELL ME THAT THEY, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT MORE LOITERING, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, UH, HE HAD TO BASICALLY START KICKING PEOPLE OUT.

UH, AND THEN ALSO PEOPLE THAT WERE JUST HANGING AROUND ON OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND THEN, SO HE STARTED ADDING CAMERAS, AND NOW BASICALLY HE HAS A CAMERA ALL AROUND THE BUILDING, UH, SO THAT HE CAN SEE IF SOMEBODY'S JUST KIND OF HANGING AROUND DOING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING.

AND IT'S TRUE, I HAVE GONE TO THE PROPERTY AND I HAVE SEEN THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT JUST KIND OF HANG AROUND ON THE CORNER WHERE NOBODY CAN SEE THEM.

AND SO, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS ON THIS SITUATION, AND I DO BELIEVE THE OWNER HAS ADDRESSED IT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'M GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM SO THAT MORE CHANGES ARE DONE AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, MR. NUNEZ, DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT, THAT, THAT THERE WERE NO CAMERAS ADDED? NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE CAD CAMERAS HAVE BEEN ADDED? NO, HE TOLD ME THERE WAS NO, HE SAID THERE WAS NONE.

NO, NO, NO.

I SAID, I SAID THERE WAS YES.

UM, MR. NUNEZ.

AND, AND, AND ARE YOU NOT, UM, AWARE OF THE, THE, THAT THERE WAS SOME EXTREMELY VOLATILE ACTIVITY AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE, JUST MONDAY? NO, I WAS NOT, MA'AM.

I WAS NOT.

AND I, AND I PROBABLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE OWNER IF THERE WAS SOMETHING HAPPENING.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WE WERE JUST NOT AWARE THAT THEY WERE THAT MANY.

THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO THIS ONE, I ACTUALLY DONE THE SUP FOR THAT ONE, UH, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED.

AND THIS, WE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING IT APPROVED BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY POLICE CALLS AND OTHER CONCERNS.

AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DIRECTLY TO US IN THE INITIAL CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH PLANNING.

AND SO, I, SERIOUSLY, I SHOULD HAVE, I SHOULD HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH ON THAT SITUATION BEFORE I CAME TO THIS BODY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FOR CERTAIN THAT I WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE OWNER AND MANAGEMENT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE CORRECTIONS SO THAT NO MORE, NO MORE LOITERING OR OTHER ISSUES ARE HAPPENING WITH, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR SPEAKER? YES.

COMMISSIONER WITHER.

OH, NO, I DON'T HAVE, I NEED THIS FOR STAFF.

I FORGOT THIS FOR STAFF.

WITH, UH, THIS DEVELOP THIS SITE? UM, CAN YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE OBSERVED? UM, I CONDUCTED TWO SITE VISITS.

ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO STAFF? WE READY FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER BLAIR , COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, MR. YOUNG, MS. BRIDGES, CAN YOU SHARE WITH, WITH THIS BODY YOUR VISITS AND YOUR COMMUNICATION WITH,

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UM, THE FIRST SITE VISIT, I CONDUCTED IT LAST YEAR, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

AND THEN THE MOST RECENT SITE VISIT, I CONDUCTED IT ON MONDAY.

UM, THE FIRST TIME I WENT, I DID OBSERVE MAYBE LIKE ONE OR TWO HOMELESS PEOPLE, BUT THEY WEREN'T BOTHERING ANYBODY.

THEY WERE JUST COMING OUTTA THE STORE.

THEY, SECOND TIME I DID NOTICE, UM, POLICE PRESENCE.

AND THAT WAS ON MONDAY.

AND THAT POLICE PRESENCE, UH, WAS IT JUST A MINOR PRESENCE OR WHAT TYPE, HOW, HOW DETAILED? WELL, BY THE TIME I GOT THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE MAYBE CLEANING UP.

'CAUSE IT WAS MAYBE LIKE FI FOUR OR FIVE POLICE CARS AND TWO OF THEM WERE PULLING OFF.

AND SO I SAT ACROSS THE STREET AND WAITED UNTIL THEY WERE FINISHED AND TOOK SOME PICTURES FROM 'EM ACROSS THE STREET.

UH, UH, MS. BRIDGES, CAN YOU ALSO TELL ME, UM, WHEN, WHEN IS, WHEN DID THE, IS THIS SUP STILL VALID OR HAS IT EXPIRED? I HAVE TO, TO LOOK AND SEE.

IT COULD POSSIBLY BE EXPIRED RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY APPLIED FOR THE RENEWAL BEFORE IT EXPIRED.

GREAT.

THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR, FOR, FOR VALIDATING THAT.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

UM, AND OUT OF THE NOTICES THAT WERE WAS SENT OUT, WAS THERE ANY, UM, CO UH, UH, ANYONE AGAINST IT? NO, MA'AM.

I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY, ANY TYPE OF CALLS, ANY LETTERS OR ANYTHING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

SO I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, NO.

UM, AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WERE SENT OUT? I'M LOOKING AT THE REPORT.

I'M, I'M BEHIND A LITTLE BIT.

IT SHOULD BE IN THE REPORT.

I DON'T HAVE MY STAFF REPORT UP HERE, BUT, AND OUT OF THE SEVEN, YOU HAD NO OPPOSITION? NO, MA'AM.

UM, DID YOU, WHAT WAS THE, DID YOU GET ANY, UM, INFORMATION ON WHY THE POLICE WAS THERE OR YOU DIDN'T ASK OR? I, I, I CAN SAY IF YOU DIDN'T ASK.

NO, MA'AM.

I DIDN'T ASK BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, MY STAFF REPORT WAS ALREADY WRITTEN ON MONDAY.

I JUST WANTED TO GO OUT THERE AND TAKE SOME BETTER PICTURES, SO I DID NOT ASK.

THANKS CHAIR.

RUBIN? YEAH.

JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR ASKED ABOUT WHETHER THEY GOT THE RENEWAL APPLICATION IN BEFORE IT EXPIRED.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEW FOLKS IN THE BODY.

WHAT IS THE EFFECT ON THE OPERATION OF A USE ALLOWED UNDER AN SUP? IF THEY GET THE, UH, APPLICATION IN FOR RENEWAL FOR THE EXPIRATION, BUT THE EXPIRATION HAPPENS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY CAN STILL OPERATE, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT RENEWED.

GREAT.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLA, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.

AND, AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE, I HAVE, UM, COMMENTS, UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3, 2 3 6.

I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT INSTEAD OF A TWO YEAR PERIOD, I, I AM GOING TO SAY A ONE YEAR PERIOD WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWALS, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR, FOR YOUR MOTION.

I WILL SECOND IT.

COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THIS STRIP HAS BEEN A PROBLEMATIC STRIP, UM, WHEN IT WAS UP FOR RENEWALS THE LAST TIME IT BORDERS DISTRICT EIGHT AND DISTRICT FIVE, WHAT WE, WHAT I DO OR WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS AT THIS STRIP BLEEDS OVER INTO DISTRICT FIVE.

AND I APOLOGIZE.

UM, FOR, FOR THAT, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THIS SITE AND THIS STRIP, I HAVE HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS BY THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES, THE LOITERING AND THE DI THE DYSFUNCTIONAL, UM, MAINTENANCE OF THIS, OF THIS PARTICULAR STRIP.

THE LAST TIME IT WAS UP FOR RENEWAL, I SPECIFICALLY WENT OUT THERE, WALKED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT HAD A SUP.

I ASKED FOR CLEANUP.

I ASKED THAT THEY CLEAN UP THEIR PROPERTY.

I ASKED THAT, THAT THEY, THEY PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THEM.

I HAVE EXPLAINED THAT ANY TYPE OF SERVICE THAT THEY COULD NEED OR WANT IN ORDER TO HELP THE, THE, THE BUSINESS MAINTAIN.

ITS, UM, THIS GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY IS AVAILABLE IN OUR DISTRICT OFFICE.

A DISTRICT, YOU DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME DOWNTOWN IF THEY NEED HELP WITH HOMELESS.

THEY HAVE, WE HAVE A HEART TEAM.

WE HAVE THE HOMELESS, UM, UM, TEAM THAT, THAT ACTUALLY

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SITS IN OUR DISTRICT.

WE HAVE CODE THAT ACTUALLY COMES AND SITS IN OUR DISTRICT.

WE HAVE ANIMAL SERVICES THAT ACTUALLY COME AND SIT IN OUR DISTRICT.

WE HAVE COMMUNITY PROSECUTION THAT ACTUALLY COMES AND SITS IN OUR DISTRICT.

THERE IS NO REASON THAT THIS STRIP SHOULD STILL BE, BE OPERATING IN, IN A DYSFUNCTIONAL FASHION.

WHEN THERE'S SERVICES THAT ARE READILY SUP, THEY'RE ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CALL THE DISTRICT OFFICE, CALL DISTRICT EIGHT, AND THEY CAN GET THOSE SERVICES WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. AND LIKE I SAID, THE LAST TIME THAT, THAT THIS, THIS STRIP WAS UP FOR RENEWAL.

'CAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UM, BUSINESSES THAT SUP ALL EXPIRES AROUND THE SAME TIME.

THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY.

AND I PER, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I PERSONALLY WALKED IT EVERY ONE OF THE BUSINESS.

AND I EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT WAS EXPECTED AND THAT, THAT THIS TIME AROUND, IF THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE COMPLIANT AS REQUESTED, I WAS NOT RENEWING SUVS.

I AM GOING BACK ON MY WORD.

I'M GIVING HIM A ONE YEAR, ONE YEAR.

THIS IS THE SECOND OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME INTO TOTAL COMPLIANCE, SEEK THE SERVICES THAT ARE OPERATE, THAT ARE OFFERED TO THEM OUT OF DISTRICT EIGHT, AND TO OPERATE IN, IN A WAY THAT IS WHAT IS APPROPRIATE.

THE ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENED ON MONDAY WAS EXTREMELY VOLATILE, AND IT COULD, AND IT COULD HAVE CAUSED SOMEONE THEIR LIVES.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

AND THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE WANT IN DISTRICT FIVE.

WE WANT GOOD PARTNERSHIP AND WE WANT BUSINESSES TO OPERATE IN A WAY THAT IS CONDUCIVE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA OPERATE IN THE WAY THAT BRINGS VITALITY AND SUPPORT IN THIS CITY, THEN THEY DON'T NEED TO OPERATE.

SO I ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW MY, UM, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT FROM INSTEAD OF A TWO YEAR OR ONE YEAR TO, THEY'LL GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND TO COME INTO CO COMPLIANCY WITH BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.

UM, I'M GONNA, I I'M GONNA FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ONE YEAR.

I WOULD ALWAYS WANT TO, IN MOST CASES, IF IT'S A, UM, SUP AND THE, THE SITTING COMMISSIONER AGREES ON THE COMPLIANCE PART, THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT THEY CAN BRING TO COMPLIANCE.

I KNOW THAT THE CITIZEN DISTRICT EIGHT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS A SOUTHEAST DISTRICT AND THE SOUTHEAST, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT DO NOT RESPOND.

UM, THEY DO NOT SHOW UP.

I'M IN SOUTHEAST.

THEY DO NOT SHOW UP FOR BUSINESSES, BARELY FOR RESIDENTIAL.

SO THERE'S SOME THINGS, THE HOMELESS SITUATION THAT IS A HARD FISH FOR THE WHOLE CITY OF DALLAS.

THEY SLEEP EVERYWHERE, ANYWHERE.

AND WE HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE OF, OF I 45, I 45, 1 75, AND 75 ALL BEEN WORKED ON.

SO THE HOMELESS POPULATION HAS BEEN FROM ONE AREA NOW THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY.

SO THE THINGS THAT THEY CAN, BUT THAT VOLATILE SITU AREA OF DALLAS IS VOLATILE.

AND THE DPD HAS TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS COME INTO COMPLIANCE ON THAT.

UM, AND, AND, BUT THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO TO IMPROVE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN PART OF IT, EVERYONE KNOWS NOW IN THE, I, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S THE WHOLE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT PEOPLE ARE WAITING 3, 4, 5 HOURS AND POSSIBLY NO SHOW UP FOR THE POLICE TO COME OUT.

AND, AND THE CRIMINAL ASPECT IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, IN THESE THREE DISTRICTS, INCLUDING DISTRICT SEVEN, WHICH WHICH IS ALL A PART OF THE SOUTHEAST DIVISION OF CODE, THE SOUTHEAST DIVISION OF, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND ALL THREE, I KNOW ALL FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY, BUT WE HAVE AN ISSUE, A CRIME ISSUE.

AND THAT AREA IS, I, THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT.

THEY'RE NOT SHOWING UP.

COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, I THINK DPDS RESPONSE TIMES AND CRIME GENERALLY IN THAT PORTION OF THE CITY IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE SUP.

IT, IT, IT MIGHT BE NOT RELEVANT, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING, TELL THE APPLICANT TO CLEAN UP SOME THINGS, THAT APPLICANT CANNOT CLEAN IT UP ALONE.

AND IT IS THE WHOLE AREA IS VOLATILE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.

YES, I'LL, UM, BACK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR IN OUR CORNER STORES.

AND, UM, I VISIT THEM QUITE OFTEN AND IT'S, I FIND IT FUNNY THAT WHEN ZONING SIGNS GO UP, THINGS CHANGE DRASTICALLY.

UM, I'VE BEEN NOTICING THAT MY LAST TWO YEARS AND IT'S UPSETTING, UM, BECAUSE WHEN THE ZONING SIGNS

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GO DOWN IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS, THINGS CHANGE.

SO I'M, I'M ALSO SAYING THAT I'M PAYING ATTENTION IS MY POINT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

I DROVE THROUGH THERE YESTERDAY AT SIX 30 IN THE MORNING.

THERE WAS ACTIVITY I DIDN'T LIKE.

I DROVE THERE THROUGH THERE AGAIN YESTERDAY WHEN, UH, AT FOUR 30 IN THE AFTERNOON AND THEN AGAIN AT SIX.

AND IT WAS STILL ACTIVITY I DIDN'T LIKE, LIKE, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT WAS SAYING, WHEN THE SIGNS GO UP, THINGS CHANGE.

WHEN THE SIGNS GO DOWN, THINGS GO BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL.

IT JUST COMES A POINT IN TIME WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE TO SIT UP AND, AND EXPECT DIFFERENT, LOOK FOR DIFFERENT, EXPECT DIFFERENT, AND THEN REQUEST DIFFERENT AND DEMAND DIFFERENT.

I'M, AT THIS POINT, I AM BEGINNING TO DEMAND DIFFERENT, I'VE REQUESTED IT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT AT THIS LOCATION.

AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S UNFAIR FOR ALL THOSE THAT HAVE TO LIVE AROUND IT TO HAVE TO EXPERIENCE IT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'LL BE QUICK.

AND, AND I KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE OUTSIDE THESE FACILITIES ARE PROVIDING SECURITY.

THEY ARE PROVIDING, UM, HELP TO THE STORE OWNERS.

THEY ARE HELPING SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

UM, THE ACTIONS OF THE MANAGEMENT AND OWNERSHIP, THE CLEAN ENVIRONMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, THE EMPTYING OF THE TRASH CANS, THE CLEANING OF THE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN SPECIFIC.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR.

IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE PROBLEM IS NOT REALLY MY ISSUE.

MY ISSUE IS REALLY TO MANAGING THE OPERATION OF THE, THE FACILITY.

BUT THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER IS IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 2 36.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

I SECOND IT.

TWO, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FALSE RECOMMENDATION, BUT FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBJECT WITH, WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

[6. 24-1172 An application for a Planned Development Subdistrict on property zoned a GR General Retail Subdistrict and an MF-2 Multiple-Family Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, in an area bounded by Lemmon Avenue, Throckmorton Street, Bowser Avenue, and Reagan Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval subject to a conceptual plan, a development plan, a landscape plan, and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Trademark Acquisition Limited Partnership Representative: Tommy Mann, Winstead PC Planner: Michael Pepe Council District: 14 Z223-260(MP) ]

ITEM SIX IS Z 2 23 2 60.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DIS SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTIES OWNED A GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT AND AN MF TWO MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 9 3 VEHICLE AND SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, UH, IN AN AREA BOUNDED BY LEMON AVENUE, TH ROCK, MORTON STREET, BOWSER AVENUE IN REAGAN STREET.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.

SEE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

PRESS THE LITTLE BUTTON THERE.

GOT IT NOW.

YOU THAT IT IS A VERY TOUGH SITE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.

UH, I'M CHAD COLLEY, UH, PARTNER WITH MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AT TRADEMARK PROPERTY COMPANY.

UH, WE OFFICE JUST DOWN THE ROAD, UH, 3,800 MAPLE AVENUE, A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM THIS SITE.

TRADEMARK COMPANY THAT I WORK WITH.

3-YEAR-OLD, UH, OWNER OPERATOR AND DEVELOPER.

UH, BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, DONE PROJECT PROJECTS IN IN DALLAS, HOUSTON, UH, SAN ANTONIO, AUSTIN, ET CETERA.

OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS TO ENHANCE COMMUNITIES AND ENRICH LIVES.

WE PLAN TO LIVE BY THAT, NOT ONLY ON THIS PROJECT, BUT ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.

SOMETHING TONIGHT OR TODAY THAT, UH, DIDN'T MAKE IT IN AND I HEARD IN THE, IN THE BRIEFING IS WE HAVE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE SET FOR OURSELVES THAT TRADEMARK, UM, TO BUILD TO NATIONAL GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS.

UM, WHICH I HEARD EARLIER THAT THAT WASN'T, UH, SO WIDELY KNOWN AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

UH, LESS THAN 2% OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY ARE MEET NATIONAL GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS THAT DOES QUALIFY YOU FOR LEAD UH, CERTIFICATION.

SO WE DO PLAN ON LIVING BY OUR STANDARDS, NOT ONLY ON THIS PROJECT, BUT LIKE I SAID, ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.

BUT TO THIS PROJECT, UH, AN IMPORTANT ITEM TO US WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE'S NEIGHBORS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE MET WITH THAT I'LL, I'LL GO INTO THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS.

EVEN A COUPLE MEMBERS THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.

THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON HAS BEEN VERY UNINTENTIONAL.

NOT ONLY IN OUR, THE DESIGN, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, BUT THE INTENTIONALITY TO THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE TAKEN.

IT'S A VERY TOUGH SITE AND I'LL, I'LL TELL

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THERE'S SEVERAL SITE, UH, CONDITIONS THAT MAKE IT TOUGH.

SO I WANT TO GIVE A LOT OF CREDIT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT'S HERE BEHIND ME, OUR CO CONSULTANTS AND SEVERAL OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS PROCESS.

TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

I TRIED COUNTING THEM.

I MEANT TO HAVE THAT HERE, UH, THE EXACT NUMBER FOR HERE TODAY.

BUT I'LL, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WITH THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, I LOST COUNT AFTER ABOUT EIGHT.

SO MORE THAN THAT, UM, WE DESIGNED THE PROJECT WITH, WITH SEVERAL NEIGHBORS AND WE HAD SOME HELP MEETING OUR NEIGHBORS.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET A WHOLE LOT MORE.

UM, WITH THAT, WE BROUGHT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN.

WE DESIGNED THE PROJECT OVER AND OVER AND OVER WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND OUR ARCHITECT'S OFFICE WITH THEM PUTTING IDEAS UP ON THE SCREEN, CHANGING, DESIGNING, CHANGE THIS, CHANGE, THIS CONSTANT, CONSTANT OPTIONS IS WHAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE.

THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE MADE SEVERAL DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS OVERALL.

WE FEEL WELCOMED AND SUPPORTED RIGHT NOW IN THE COMMUNITY AND HOPE TO EXCEED THEIR EXPECTATIONS IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT.

WE ALSO WENT TO THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE AND RECEIVED AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF SUPPORT THERE AS WELL.

WE'RE GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOUR, WE WOULD BE GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT HERE TODAY AS WELL.

UM, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

I JUST HEARD THAT.

AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.

I'M GONNA LEAVE IT WITH A COUPLE OF OUR OTHER CONSULTANTS THAT'S GONNA COME UP AND DIVE INTO A COUPLE MORE DETAILS.

BEFORE YOU START THE CLOCK ON ME, DO I NEED TO SHARE ON THE WEBEX FOR YOU TO SEE IT? OKAY.

CAN Y'ALL SEE THAT? ALRIGHT.

TOMMY MANN 500 WINSTEAD BUILDING, REPRESENTING TRADEMARK, UH, IN THIS REQUEST.

AND I'M JUST GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL ABOUT THE APPROACH HERE, UH, AND THE CHALLENGE AND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS SITE PRESENTS.

EVERYBODY'S DRIVEN DOWN LEMON AVENUE 'CAUSE WE'VE ALL BEEN TO LOVE FIELD, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IT'S ONE OF THE GREAT LOST OPPORTUNITIES OF OUR URBAN CORE IN ITS CURRENT STATE WITH DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND PAWN SHOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEN MOST OF IT HAS ZONING LIKE THE FRONTAGE OF THIS SITE, PD 1 93 GR, WHICH DOES ALLOW A MUCH MORE INTENSE FORM OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

BUT YOU QUICKLY CROSS AN ALLEY INTO AN ESTABLISHED LOVELY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ZONED MF TWO FULL OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, CONDOS, TOWN HOMES, AND MATURE TREES.

AND THAT PRESENTS A REAL CHALLENGE.

HOW DO YOU REDEVELOP A SITE AND A BLOCK THAT STRADDLES THAT OPPORTUNITY ON LEMON, BUT IS RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE TO THE NEIGHBORS? AND OUR ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS TO GO ASK THE NEIGHBORS, FRANKLY.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED.

UH, I STARTED IN NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ON THIS PROJECT EARLIER IN DESIGN THAN I EVER HAVE ON ANY PROJECT IN MY CAREER.

EVAN WAS THROWING THINGS UP ON A SCREEN AND WE WERE TALKING THROUGH IT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED NEXT TO IT, AND THEY INFORMED THIS DESIGN GREATLY.

THE RESULT IS A PROJECT THAT MEETS LEMON WITH AN URBAN EDGE LIKE IT SHOULD, ACTIVATES THE GROUND LEVEL WITH A RESTAURANT, HAS A WIDE SIDEWALK AND STREET TREES AND SOME HEIGHT AND DENSITY TO IT.

AND AS WE TRANSITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE EVENTUALLY MEET IT EXACTLY AT ITS SCALE AT THREE STORIES WITH WIDE OPEN SPACES AND PRESERVE TREES.

THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT.

I THINK THEY WERE DISCUSSED.

ONE IS THE SIDEWALKS.

WE'VE WORKED HERE IN THE INTERIM ON MEETING A DA WHILE ALSO MEETING WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ASKED FOR.

THE NARROWER SIDEWALKS ARE A RESULT OF THEIR DESIRE TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE WIDE PARKWAYS AND THE MATURE TREES.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO MEET A DA, WE'VE WORKED WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WE THINK WE'VE GOT LANGUAGE THAT WILL BRIDGE THAT GAP.

THE PARKING, I LOVE THAT STAFF IS TRYING TO GIVE US A BIGGER BREAK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE M-I-H-D-V PROGRAM ALLOWS, BUT WHAT WE'VE TOLD THE NEIGHBORS IS WHAT'S IN OUR REQUEST FOR HOW MUCH PARKING WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE.

SO THAT'S ONE SMALL DIFFERENCE.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING LATELY IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON ON SOME ADDITIONAL CONTROLS RELATED TO THE RESTAURANT USE AND HOURS AND THOSE THINGS THAT WE EXPECT, UH, IN A MOTION IF IT COMES FORWARD.

AND WE'RE FINE WITH IN OUR COMMITMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I'M GONNA LET EVAN BEATIE COME UP HERE IN THREE MINUTES OR LESS, DESCRIBE HIS YEAR LONG OF, UH, DESIGN WORK AND 68 PAGES OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT WE WILL NOT TRY TO HIT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF.

FOOT TALL BUILDING, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE DARKER GRAY COLOR.

THANK YOU TOMMY.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, EVAN BEATTY WITH GFF, UH, DESIGN, UH, 30 30 NASKI WAY.

UM, WE'RE PROUD OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT SHAPED THE PROJECT AS YOU SEE IT TODAY.

AND I PROMISE I WON'T, UH, LINGER ON ALL 68 SLIDES.

UH, THERE'S MORE IN HERE THAN WE NEED TO SHOW TODAY, UNLESS THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I'LL HIGHLIGHT ON THE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW THAT, AS TOMMY MENTIONED, UH, THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE HIGHER INTENSITY ZONING, GR ZONING ALONG THE STREET, FRONTAGE OF LEMON.

UH, WE'VE POSITIONED AN 85

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UH, WE'LL HAVE A, A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AMENITY RESTAURANT SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, UH, AT THE CORNER OF LEMON AND THROCKMORTON.

AND WE TRANSITION TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE SITE TO FIVE AND THREE STORY BUILDINGS.

UH, THE PARKING GARAGE IS FULLY CONCEALED WITHIN THE BUILDING.

UH, SO WE HAVE GROUND FLOOR STREET ACTIVATING USES AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES OF THIS PROJECT.

UH, AND IT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WORK TO PRESERVE AS MANY EXISTING TREES AS POSSIBLE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.

UH, SO THAT FOUR-FOOT SIDEWALK GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE OF HAVING TREES SURVIVE ALONG THROCKMORTON, BOWSER AND REAGAN AS YOU'RE SEEING IN THIS PLAN.

UH, AND WE'LL HAVE A COMMUNITY FACING POCKET PARK, UH, THAT'S COMMUNITY ACCESSIBLE, UH, MID-BLOCK HERE, WHICH IS REALLY SHAPED BY THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAD THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN PROCESS.

UH, REALLY EMPHASIZING TREE PRESERVATION WHERE POSSIBLE ON THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE ALLEY.

THIS IS THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

UH, YOU'RE SEEING LEMON ON THE LEFT AND, UH, REAGAN ON THE RIGHT IN THIS IMAGE.

UH, AND HERE IS THE SITE WITH OUR PROPOSED BUILDING.

UH, THE RESIDENT ENTRY WILL BE HERE, UH, AT THE HARD CORNER OF, UH, LEMON AND REAGAN.

UH, WE'LL HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AMENITY TERRACE ABOVE THAT, ABOUT 20 FEET UP IN THE AIR.

WE'LL HAVE LANDSCAPING ON THAT TERRACE.

UH, AND WE REALLY WANT THIS PROJECT TO HELP REGREEN LEMON AVENUE, WHERE LEMON AVENUE TODAY IS DOMINATED BY SURFACE PARKING LOTS AND, AND, AND CURB CUTS.

UH, WE'RE CONSOLIDATING THAT REALLY LEANING INTO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY HERE, UH, AND WANTING TO FOSTER A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT ALONG LEMON, UH, BEFORE IMAGE FROM THE GROUND LEVEL.

LOOKING BACK AT THIS SAME ANGLE, UH, AND THE LEASING OFFICE SEEING HERE ACROSS REAGAN STREET FROM ACROSS THE STREET, UH, AT TACO CABANA, UH, LOOKING TOWARDS OUR BUILDING SITE BEFORE AND AFTER LOOKING PARALLEL TO LEMON, HEADING DOWN TOWARDS TURTLE CREEK, THE EXISTING CONDITION, NARROW SIDEWALKS, NARROW PARKWAY.

AND, UH, WITH OUR PROPOSED PROJECT, A WIDE LANDSCAPED PARKWAY ALONG LEMON AVENUE, UH, AND A NICE WIDE EIGHT FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, THE RESTAURANT TENANT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON THE LEFT.

AND THEN MOVING BACK TO BOWSER, UH, LOOKING ALONG BOWSER, THE EXISTING CONDITION, LOOKING FROM ACROSS THE STREET TOWARD OUR SITE.

AND, UH, HERE YOU'RE SEEING THE THREE STORY BUILDING, UH, ALONG BOWSER WITH GROUND FLOOR, STREET FACING UNITS, FIVE STORY BUILDINGS SET FAR BACK FROM BOWSER, UH, AND THE SEVEN STORY BUILDING NOT EVEN VISIBLE IN THIS VIEW.

I SEE THAT I'M OUT OF TIME, SO I'LL STOP THERE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I THINK WE HAVE ONE REGISTER SPEAKER ONLINE, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JEFF MCLAUGHLIN AND I RESIDE AT 38 18 HOLLAND AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

AND THAT IS WITHIN THE 500 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA.

I HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER OF SUPPORT AS WELL AS OUR HOA FOR OUR CONDOMINIUM.

HAS WRITTEN A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK TRADEMARK AND THE FOLKS AT GFF, UH, AS THEY DESCRIBED IT, IT WAS AN INTERACTIVE PROCESS.

UH, WE MET FROM DECEMBER THROUGH MAY OR JUNE, UH, LAST YEAR.

AND THEY STARTED WITH ONE PROPOSAL.

AND EVERY TIME WE CAME IN, THEY HAD SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THEY HAD RENDERINGS, THEY HAD WIRE SKETCHES.

THEY WERE SO RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR INPUT.

UH, THEIR ORIGINAL CONCEPT CALLED FOR, UH, WIDE SIDEWALKS TO MEET WITH CURRENT DALLAS CODE.

WE PUSHED BACK AND SAID, THAT DOESN'T STAND, OR THAT DOESN'T MEET WITH AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU WALK FROM THE BLOCK BEFORE TO THAT, UH, FACILITY TO THE NEXT BLOCK.

AND IT'S WIDE NARROW, WIDE NARROW.

SO WE ACTUALLY WERE THE ONES THAT REQUESTED THAT WE KEEP THE, UH, SIDEWALKS AT THE CURRENT WIDTH.

UM, THINGS THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR IN TERMS OF SENSITIVITY, THE NEIGHBORS UPS DELIVERIES.

HOW DO WE GET TRAFFIC OFF OF THE ROADS? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING AS LITTLE IMPACT AS POSSIBLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WENT OUT OF THE WAY TO KEEP THE OLD GROWTH TREES.

UH, WE .

NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE 300 U UNITS ATTACHED TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, THIS IS THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT.

IT KEEPS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SENSE THE WAY IT IS TODAY, BUT IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL HOUSING.

UH, THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT KEEPS LIMITED OR MAKES US, UH, STEP FORWARD IN KEEPING LIVING, KEEP ALLOWING LEMON AVENUE TO BECOME WALKABLE.

IF YOU TRY TO WALK THAT TODAY, NOBODY FEELS SAFE WALKING UP AND DOWN LEMON AVENUE.

SO IF WE CAN USE THIS FOR THE BENCHMARK FOR THAT ALL FOR IT, UH, KEEPING THE HEIGHT TOWARDS LEMON AVENUE AND DOWN STEPPING AS WE COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT ALLOWS FOR THAT TRANSITION AND STILL MAKES THE PROJECT SUCCESSFUL, ALLOWS A NON-FAT FOOD OPTION FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO.

IT KEEPS, UH, A BUFFER FOR THE NOISE BETWEEN, FROM LEMON AVENUE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND AGAIN, THE PROCESS AND THE OUTCOME SETS AN EXAMPLE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF ALONG LEMON AVENUE, WHICH I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO BASED

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ON THIS PROJECT.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

EXCUSE ME.

MY NAME IS ADAM MURPHY AND I OFFICE AT 28 28 RUTH STREET IN DALLAS.

I'M CURRENTLY THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE.

AND, UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED OUR LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.

THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE DID SUPPORT, UM, TRADEMARKS, MIXED USE ZONING REQUESTS, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATED THEIR EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO COMM TO CONTINUOUSLY WORK WITH COMMUNITY TO EVOLVE THE PROJECT AND RESPOND TO IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR AND THE COMMITTEE.

AND SO WE, WE STAND HERE AND SUPPORT.

THANK YOU MR. MURPHY.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

I'LL WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS.

COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE QUESTION ON THE SIDEWALK WITH, I UNDERSTAND IT'S CONTINUITY OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, HOWEVER, PARTICULARLY AS YOU'RE LOOKING, AND I'M JUST GONNA USE, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY TOWARDS LENNON ON, UM, BOWSER AND THROCKMORTON, I BELIEVE, I MEAN, WOULD THOSE BE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER EITHER THROUGH TREE GRATES OR OTHER MEASURES OF YOU'RE TRYING TO, UH, CREATE AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT? YEAH.

DO YOU WANT TAKE? YEAH, WE'LL LET EVAN, THAT THANK YOU MR. BATING.

YEAH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

UM, I DO WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE AREA WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE NARROWER OR IS ONLY ON THE, THE SOUTHEASTERN HALF INTERNAL SIDE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.

I DO HAVE A, A DEVELOPMENT IN HERE PLAN IN HERE WHERE IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SEE THAT.

I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN FLIP FORWARD TO IT.

YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO READ AT THIS SCALE.

LET ME ZOOM IN EASILY, TOMMY, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ZOOM IN HERE IF YOU CAN.

UM, SO WE ARE WIDE SOUTH OF THAT ALLEY, SO ALONG LEMON AVENUE WE HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK.

WE REALLY WANNA LEAN INTO AND ENCOURAGE THE WALKABILITY ALONG LEMON.

UH, AND ALONG THE, THE REAGAN STREET PORTION THAT'S CLOSEST THERE, WE HAVE SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS THAT WILL THEN TAPER DOWN TO FOUR.

UH, AND SO WHERE WE, WHERE WE END UP HAVING RESIDENTIAL USES WITH GROUND FLOOR STREET FACING UNITS, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS, UH, AROUND THE, THE BACK PORTION.

UH, THANK YOU TOMMY.

UM, AND, UH, THAT THE, THOSE FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS ARE ALSO POSITIONED WITH WIDER PARKWAYS THAN IS TYPICAL WITHIN OAK LAWN.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS REALLY WIDE 10 FOOT WIDE SIDE PARKWAY HERE, AND THAT'S MATCHING THE EXISTING CONDITION ALONG REAGAN AND, AND BOWSER AND ROCK MORTON.

THE EXISTING SIDEWALK IS, IS INSTALLED MUCH FARTHER AWAY FROM THE CURB THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY ENCOUNTER IN IN OAK LAWN.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA WORK HARD TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES IN THIS ZONE IN THAT PARKWAY, UH, WITH THAT FOUR-FOOT SIDEWALK.

AND IF WE WERE TO GO WITH A WIDER SIDEWALK, WE'D BE IMPACTING ING THE TREES FURTHER.

AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

AND WHEN YOU WALK THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, GOING A BLOCK EAST, WEST NORTH, YOU, YOU SEE THAT, THAT THAT IS THE EXISTING SCALE OF SIDEWALKS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT THEY, THEY REALLY WANNA HOLD.

WELL, I'VE OFFICED IN THIS AREA FOR MANY YEARS AND HAVE WALKED IT QUITE FREQUENTLY, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE VARIED CONDITIONS ON THE STREETS.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

I THINK, AGAIN, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PRIMARY GOALS IS ENHANCING PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION IN FOUR FEET IS NOT A VERY COMFORTABLE SIDEWALK, BUT CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THERE'S A TRADE OFF BETWEEN TREE PRESERVATION AND THE CHARACTER THAT THOSE GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.

ONE THING EVAN DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SEEING.

WE, WE WORKED ON A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE HERE SINCE THE BRIEFING TO GO TO FIVE FEET WITH AN ALLOWANCES TO NARROW IT AS NEEDED TO PRESERVE TREES.

JUST IT'S, IT'S A BALANCE, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE.

THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT MR. MANN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

UM, IN THIS AREA WE GREATLY APPRECIATE, UM, THAT YOU ALL ARE PUTTING LANDSCAPING AND, UM, CREATING, UH, MAINTAINING, UM, SOME TYPE OF GREEN SPACE.

BUT I'M, THE COMMISSIONER'S GONNA ALWAYS ASK, IS THERE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS, UH, PROJECT? YES.

SO THE, THE MIH BONUS IN THE, UH, CONDITIONS AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS 5% OF THE UNITS AT 61 TO 80% A MI.

AND IS THIS GOING TO POSSIBLY BE A, UM, FEE, FEE AND LOOP? IT COULD BE A FEE AND LOOP.

THAT DECISION WILL BE MADE AT TIME OF PERMIT BASED ON THE COST AND THE UNDERWRITING AT THAT TIME.

AS THE CODE.

IS THERE ANY MICRO AS THE EXISTS TODAY? THERE ARE MICRO UNITS IN THIS.

EXCUSE ME, IS THERE MICRO UNITS IN THIS? THERE ARE MICRO UNITS, YES.

WE GOT 5% OF THE UNITS HAVE MICRO AS WELL.

AND THOSE DO NOT COUNT TOWARD THE MIH COMPONENTS.

SO THOSE WILL BE BUILT, UH, REGARDLESS AS PART OF THE PROJECT, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WHAT WE SHOULD BE CALLING WORKING CLASS HOUSING.

UM, SO MANY IN THIS DISTRICT DOES

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NOT, DO NOT CONSIDER THAT THEY GO TO THE END.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER RUBIN, IS MR. IRWIN ONLINE? WE WILL SEE.

HE SAID HE MIGHT BE TIED UP, BUT OKAY, IF HE'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

I'M GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE.

COMMISSIONER KEYSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

COMMENTS COMMISSIONER CASE.

IN MATTER Z 2 2 3 2 6 0, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS MATTER WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS BRIEF SUBJECT TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES ON THE CONDITIONS.

AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

UM, SECTION 1 0 7, ADD THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE.

SECTION B GR TRACK.

THE ONLY MAIN USES PER, PER PERMITTED ARE THOSE MAIN USES PERMITTED IN THE GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO THE SAME CONDITIONS APPLICABLE IN THE GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT AS SET OUT IN PART ONE OF THIS ARTICLE.

FOR EXAMPLE, A USE PERMITTED IN THE GENERAL RETAIL DISTRICT ONLY BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

SUP IS PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT ONLY BY SUPA USE SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW.

DIR IN THE GENERAL RETAIL IS SUBJECT TO DIR IN THIS DISTRICT, ET CETERA.

SUBSECTION C, MF TWO TRACK.

THE ONLY MAIN USES PERMITTED ARE THOSE MAIN USES PERMITTED IN THE MF TWO DISTRICT SUBJECT TO THE SAME CONDITIONS APPLICABLE, EXCUSE ME, APPLICABLE IN THE MF TWO DISTRICT AS SET OUT IN PART ONE OF THIS ARTICLE.

FOR EXAMPLE, A USE PERMITTED IN THE MF TWO DISTRICT ONLY BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

SUP IS PERMITTED IN THE DISTRICT ONLY BY SUPA SUBJECT, I'M SORRY, A USE SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW.

DIR IN THE GENERAL RETAIL, I THINK THAT SHOULD READ MF TWO IS SUBJECT TO DIR IN THIS DISTRICT, ET CETERA.

IN SECTION ONE 10, DISREGARD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING MINIMUM PARKING AND GO WITH THE APPLICANT'S PARKING LANGUAGE IN SECTION ONE 11, DISREGARD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION REGARDING SIDEWALK LANGUAGE AND GO WITH THE APPLICANT'S LANGUAGE WITH THE FOLLOWING.

CHANGE FOR FROCK, MARTIN, REAGAN AND BOWSER AVENUES.

MINIMUM FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS UNOBSTRUCTED AND MINIMUM AVERAGE PARKWAY WIDTH OF NINE FEET.

PROVIDED THE SIDEWALK WIDTH MAY BE REDUCED TO FOUR FEET IN ORDER TO PRESERVE EXISTING TREES.

REFLECT THE SAME CHANGES ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

SECTION ONE 12, SUBSECTION C, BICYCLE PARTING ADD AT THE END, THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE, AT LEAST THREE OF THESE SPACES MUST BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC SUBSECTION, I'M SORRY, SECTION ONE 16, ADOPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE REGARDING THE RESERVE UNITS.

AND IN SUBSECTION, I'M SORRY, SECTION ONE 17, ADD THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS.

SUBSECTION D VIA RESTAURANT USES OUTDOOR BAR DINING AREAS MAY NOT BE OPERATED AFTER MIDNIGHT.

ADD SUBSECTION E AMPLIFIED SOUND.

ALL USES MAY NOT UTILIZE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND SYSTEMS AFTER 11:00 PM ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, ADD THE FOLLOWING EXISTING TREE SITE TREES ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN MUST BE PRESERVED, BUT MAY BE REMOVED OR REPLACED IN THE EVENT OF TREE LOSS BY MEANS OF DISEASE OR UNINTENTIONAL DAMAGE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE DIRECTOR EXCEPT FOR A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION OR SALES OFFICE.

USE A BUILDING PERMIT MAY NOT, MAY NOT BE ISSUED FOR WORK ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS APPROVED A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN FOR THE EXISTING TREES.

SECOND, CHANGE, REDUCE THE CALIBER OF TREES, UH, FROM FIVE FEET, I'M SORRY, FROM FIVE INCHES TO FOUR INCHES ON LEMON AVENUE.

THAT CONCLUDES THE CHANGES.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER HEMP FOR YOUR SECOND

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IT'S GOT BUILDING ARCHITECT BUILDING ARTICULATION.

UM, THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND I COULD GO ON ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT IT WAS TREMENDOUS AND THE COMMUNITY AROUND THIS PROJECT REALLY HAS PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT TO COME TO A CONSENSUS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE DEVELOPER HAS ROLLED UP THEIR SLEEVES AND REALLY MADE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES OVER THE LAST YEAR TO GET TO THE POINT WE'RE AT TODAY.

AND I THINK THAT THE PROJECT IS MUCH BETTER FOR IT.

UM, I'M EXCITED THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVER 400 HOUSING UNITS.

5% OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE MICRO UNITS, WHICH WILL BRING SOME NATURALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THIS PART OF THE CITY.

AND IT'S ALSO PARTICIPATING IN OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM.

UM, IT'S ALSO GOT SOME GREAT URBAN DESIGN FEATURES.

IT'S ACTIVATING LEMON IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS DESERVING OF LEMON.

I HOPE THAT THIS DOES SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE TYPE OF THINGS WE WANNA SEE ON LEMON AVENUE.

UM, AND IT IS BRINGING SOME GOOD ARCHITECTURE TO THE AREA.

IT'S GOT SETBACKS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AT THE GROUND FLOOR.

IT'S EVEN GOT STOOPS AND SOME, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE LANDSCAPING OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, THERE'S, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS AND THE EXISTING PARKWAYS AND BRINGING THOSE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE CITY RECOMMENDED AND WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTED AND ALLOWED FOR PRESERVING THE EXISTING TREES.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS IN THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT THAT I JUST DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE IGNORING, UM, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS AND I DON'T THINK THAT AN EXTRA FOOT ON THE SIDEWALK, UM, GIVEN ALL OF THE BENEFIT THAT THIS PROJECT IS GONNA BRING TO THE COMMUNITY, SHOULD BE REGARDED AS THAT BIG A DEAL, PARTICULARLY IF IT MEANS, UH, GREATER ACCESSIBILITY FOR MAYBE PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE TO GET THROUGH, UH, MOVING AROUND OUR CITY.

UM, AND I ALSO MADE A CHANGE, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE AGREEMENT ON THE SIZE OF THE TREES ON LEMON AFTER CONFERRING WITH OUR CITY ARBORIST.

UM, BECAUSE WHILE HAVING LARGER CALIBER TREES PLANTED AT THE ONSET WILL MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE OF THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT AND BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE STRESSORS THAT WILL BE PUT ON THOSE TREES AT A PLACE LIKE LEMON AVENUE, THE ARBORISTS FELT LIKE THEY HAD A STRONGER CHANCE OF REALLY THRIVING LONG TERM IF WE STARTED WITH A SMALLER CALIBER TREE AND GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY GET SETTLED INTO THAT SPACE, UM, AS A SMALLER TREE.

AND OVER THE COURSE OF ONLY A FEW YEARS, THEY WOULD GROW AT THE, AT ABOUT THE SAME RATE AS IF WE PLANTED A LARGER TREE.

SO, UM, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS PROBABLY BETTER LONG TERM FOR THE COMMUNITY THAN STARTING WITH SOMETHING LARGER AT THE BEGINNING THAT DIDN'T HAVE AS GOOD A CHANCE OF SURVIVING AND THRIVING AS A SMALLER CALIBER TREE.

UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE ADVICE OF THE CITY'S ARBORIST, UM, SOME OTHER FEATURES THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T GET INTO.

UM, THIS SITE HAS ADOPTED THE HABITAT GARDEN STANDARD, SO YAY FOR THE POLLINATORS.

UM, IT IS JUST ANOTHER, UH, SITE THAT WILL BE PART OF THE CITY'S LARGER NETWORK OF POLLINATOR GARDENS.

UM, THAT MEANS THAT IT IS GOING TO BE LOWER WATER CONSUMPTION RELYING ON, UM, NATIVE OR ADAPTIVE PLANTS THAT WILL SUPPORT OUR POLLINATORS, WHICH IN TURNS IN TURN HELPS SUPPORT, UM, OUR URBAN FOOD PRODUCTION CYCLES, UM, AND REDUCES, UH, CHEMICALS IN OUR WATERSHED.

IN IT, THEY'VE ALSO AGREED TO RECAPTURE, UM, GRAY WATER ON SITE IN ORDER TO HELP, UH, WATER THE IRRIGATION SYS, I, I MEAN, SORRY, TO BE PART OF THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM FOR THEIR LANDSCAPING, WHICH IN TURN IS A CONSERVATION, UM, EFFORT THAT IN TOTAL SUPPORTS OUR CCAP.

SO THIS, UH, PROJECT MEETS A LOT OF OUR CITY

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POLICIES, OUR CCAP, OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, STREET DESIGN MANUAL AND VISION ZERO, OUR OAK LAWN PLAN.

AND FOR THOSE REASONS, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL JOIN ME IN SUPPORTING IT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.

UM, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT OUR COMMISSIONER.

I, I, I REALLY LOVE PROJECTS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS NOT ONLY COMING IN AND SAYING, I WANNA DEVELOP SOMETHING HERE 'CAUSE I OWN IT, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE.

AND IT, IT HELPS THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING LONG TERM THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT AND THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEM.

AND OFTENTIMES, WAY TOO OFTEN COMMUNITIES ARE BUILT AROUND DEVELOPERS WHO DON'T THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY MATTERS.

I WOULD URGE YOU, UM, I'VE BEEN SAYING LATELY THIS, I'M NOT GONNA SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THAT WORKING CLASS, $18 AN HOUR JOB THAT CAN'T GET AN APARTMENT, THIS AREA IS, UM, I IS, IS WOULD BE HIGH ON MIXED INCOME FOR, TO HAVE THOSE HARD WORKING PEOPLE WHO GO TO WORK EVERY DAY.

AND A LOT OF DEVELOPERS IN THIS AREA, YOU'RE BUILDING NICE PROJECTS.

WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF NICE PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE HAVING, THEY'RE GOING BACK IN AND MY BRAIN WAS LOOKING AT AT CEDAR SPRING AND IT DIDN'T REALLY, I JUST, WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKING, IT JUST DAWNED ON ME THAT THIS WAS LEMON AVENUE .

SO TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF PROJECT ON LEMON IS A SIMPLY AMAZING, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GREEN SPACE.

UM, BUT JUST LIKE SHE'S GONNA ALWAYS MEN MENTION POLLINATORS.

I'M GONNA ALWAYS MENTION AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, SO, UM, IF YOU CAN TAKE THAT IN MIND, SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE SOME WAY, BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO LITERALLY WORK IN THE AREA, IN THE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN THIS AREA THAT MAKES A NICE INCOME TWO YEARS AGO THAT NO LONGER CAN AFFORD THESE AREAS AND THEY'RE MOVING OUT.

SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

UM, I, BECAUSE I GIVE, UH, MR. MANN SUCH A HARD TIME, I DO WANT TO THANK HIM FOR A PRESENTATION.

ALL YOU GUYS, UM, THE BEFORE AND AFTER EFFECTS OF YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION WAS VERY, UM, VISUALLY, UM, GREAT.

MR. MANN, YOU'RE COMING TO MY AREA.

WE WANT THIS.

WE DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT, BUT WE WANT THIS AVAILABILITY OF DETAIL WHEN YOU PRESENT TO OUR COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY TO MR. MANN, BUT TO EVERYBODY LISTENING.

UM, OUR PRESENTATIONS AREN'T AS PRETTY AS THIS.

AND, UM, IT HELPS ME, UM, DRIVE HOME THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE PROJECTS WHEN THE DEVELOPERS COME WITH THEIR FULL FLEDGE, UM, IN HAND.

SO THANK YOU.

I SUPPORT, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND COMMISSIONER WHEELER IN HER SPEECH ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.

YOU GUYS KNOW THAT.

UM, BUT THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE UP PUBLIC HEARING AND FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN IS BRIEFED AS WELL AS THE OTHER CHANGES AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

GO TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT AND IS STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER.

ANY THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

LETS

[7. 24-1174 An application for a Specific Use Permit for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern and a commercial amusement (inside) limited to a dance hall on property zoned an FWMU-3-SH Walkable Urban Mixed Use Form Subdistrict with a Shopfront Overlay within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the northeast line of Botham Jean Boulevard, southeast of South Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Cee Gilmore Planner: Giahanna Bridges U/A From: February 15, 2024 and March 21, 2024. Council District: 7 Z234-101(GB) ]

CALL EIGHT SEVEN.

OH, YOUR, YOUR CONFLICT IS ON EIGHT? YEAH.

OH, OKAY.

EIGHT.

THIS IS CASE NUMBER SEVEN.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT.

LIMITED TO A BAR, LOUNGE, A TAVERN, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE.

LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONE AND FWMU DASH THREE DASH SH WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE FORM SUBDISTRICT WITH A SHOPFRONT OVERLAY WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95.

THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF BOHAM.

JOHN BOULEVARD, SOUTHEAST OF SOUTH BOULEVARD.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH THE ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON PAGE THREE.

THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT MY HOURS.

MY NAME IS CEO MOORE.

I LIVE AT 1100 PETERS, WHICH IS A MILE AND A HALF AWAY FROM THIS LOCATION.

UH, I CAME IN TODAY TO SPEAK,

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SO WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I WAS OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY IS 7:00 PM TO 11, NO, YEAH, 7:00 PM TO 11:00 PM I THEN DROPPED SUNDAYS, SO NOW I'M JUST OPEN MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 7:00 PM TO 11:00 PM FRIDAY IS, UH, 8:00 PM TO 1:30 AM AND NO SUNDAYS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT YOU LEFT OUT SATURDAY, SORRY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY ARE 8:00 PM TO 1:30 AM AND I HAVE BEEN OPERATING SINCE SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

DULY NOTED.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSION'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. GILMORE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

MR. GILMORE, I SEE THAT YOUR, UM, YOUR SUP CONDITIONS THAT YOU, UM, SUBMITTED, UH, REFER TO, UM, FIELD LIGHTING NOT BEING PERMITTED AND SOMETHING ABOUT LANDSCAPING HAVING TO, UM, MATCH THE PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITY.

I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FIELD LIGHTING OR ANY INTENTION OF RUNNING A PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITY.

THOSE POSSIBLY WERE CUT AND PASTE ERRORS, YES.

SO YOU'RE FINE WITH THE STAFF REMOVING THOSE? YES, I AM.

AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING YOUR HOURS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? YES.

COMMISSIONER WITHER.

IS THERE LIGHTING IN THE REAR OF YOUR BUILDING? YES, THERE IS.

HOLD ON.

ALSO IN THE FRONT TOO AS WELL.

AND HAS THAT PROPERTY BEEN STRIPED? YES.

AND, UH, MY OTHER QUESTION WILL BE TO STAFF TO BE STAFFED.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER WEAVER, TAKE YOUR TIME PLEASE.

UM, AND WE WANTED AGAIN, UM, ABOUT THE REASONING FOR, UM, THE ONE YEAR COMPARED TO THE FIVE YEARS IN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

UM, WHY THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND WHY SO LONG IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CLIENT, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR, OR IS THAT WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED? WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR AND I AGREE WITH IT BASED ON THE LAND USE.

AND THEN I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY OPPOSITION FROM ANY NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.

SO ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS NON OR RESIDENTIAL AND THAT IS A DEVELOPING AREA AND THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT AREA? THAT, UM, AND HENCE THAT'S THE REASON THAT IT'S A FORM DISTRICT AND ALSO THAT THE REASON, THE ONLY REASON THAT THIS APPLICANT IS ABLE TO APPLY FOR THIS TYPE OF, UH, UM, THIS TYPE OF USE IS BECAUSE THEY WENT BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

BUT YES, MA'AM, I'M AWARE OF THAT.

CASE OPERATIONS? YEAH, YOU COULD.

UM, ONE MORE QUESTION THAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU.

UM, I MEAN, LET IT GO AROUND BECAUSE MY BRAIN IS NOT THINKING, BUT I HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, WHILE WE'RE IN QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I DID JUST WANNA NOTE, UM, IF A MOTION IS MADE ON THIS TODAY, UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION CONDITION THAT'S IN THE CASE REPORT, SOUNDS LIKE THAT LANGUAGE MIGHT NEED TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE HOURS OF OPERATION THE APPLICANT JUST SPOKE TO.

QUICK QUESTION, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE REPORT EARLIER AND LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.

UM, THERE'S A BUILDING NEXT TO THE SITE, I GUESS IT'S A AUTO PART BUILDING.

IS IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS ZONING CASE? AND IS IT USED CURRENTLY AS A PART OF THIS RECREATIONAL FACILITY? NO, SIR.

THAT PARTICULAR, UM, STRUCTURE IS NOT A PART OF THIS CASE AT ALL? YES, SIR.

MR. RUBEN JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. MOKIS COMMENTS.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT SAID THAT HIS CURRENT OPERATING OR INTENDED OPERATING HOURS ARE ONLY MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, RIGHT? CORRECT.

BUT IF THE APPLICANT, LET'S JUST SAY, WANTED TO EXPAND BACK TO SUNDAY, THEN WE COULD LEAVE SUNDAY IN THE SUP AS OPPOSED TO THE APPLICANT HAVING TO COME BACK IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO CHANGE THE

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IWI WAS JUST KIND OF MAKING A GENERAL COMMENT.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CASE REPORT, UH, IT DOESN'T MENTION HOURS OF OPERATION ON A SATURDAY AT ALL.

I THINK HE HAD SAID THAT HE WANTED TO OPERATE ON SATURDAYS, SO.

UH, THAT'LL MEAN TO BE CHANGED, BUT YEAH.

GREAT.

Y'ALL WANNA KEEP IT FLEXIBLE? THAT'S GOOD.

OKAY, THANKS.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

LET ME ALSO, UM, BECAUSE THIS APPLICANT WAS GIVING A SUP BASED OFF THE NEIGHBORING BUSINESS, UM, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY, THEIR, THEIR CO IS ON HOLD WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT THEY ARE OPERATIONAL.

UM, IS THE RECOMMENDATION ALSO TO HAVE THAT THEY GO BACK AND THIS BE UPDATED WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, UM, DOES, HAS STILL ATTACHED IN DOCUMENTATION THAT THE SUP FOR THE NEIGHBORING CLUB, UH, UH, IS STILL ATTACHED TO THAT CO AND, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WAS NOT, UM, WAS NOT REMOVED.

UM, AND ACTUALLY ALSO THIS SUP WAS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND IT WAS NOT WHERE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT? YES MA'AM.

AND SO WHAT, WHAT IS USUALLY THE GROUNDS AND FOR SUP IS NOT APPLIED FOR WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, UM, AND THE BOARD, I BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS STATES THAT IT HAS TO BE APPLIED WITHIN A TIMEFRAME OF BEING ADJUSTED.

SO THE, UH, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, IS, IS SORT OF IMMATERIAL TO THE ZONING CASE NOW BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THEY HAD SIX MONTHS TO APPLY FOR THAT SUP AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO SO WITHIN THAT WINDOW.

UM, SO WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO TREAT THIS ZONING CASE HERE BEFORE THE BODY TODAY AS IS JUST A FRESH SUP THAT REALLY ISN'T, UM, GERMANE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

SO WE STUFF SO WOULD IT NOT HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UH, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ALLOWED THIS TO BE A, IN ORDER TO GET THE SUP, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ALLOWED THIS TO GO BACK UP UNDER THE RE THE PREVIOUS USE IN PD 5 9 5, THERE WASN'T A FARM DISTRICT THAT IT ALLOW, UH, NIGHTCLUBS IN THIS AREA.

BUT IT WAS STATED IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THAT THAT SUP HAD TO BE APPLIED FOR WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DATE.

AND IT WASN'T.

SO WOULD THE, SO WOULD THAT NOT HAVE CAUSED AN ISSUE FOR THIS TO HAVE AN SUP? NO, BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, THE TWO USES PROPOSED WITH THIS SUP ARE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A BAR LOUNGE OR TAVERN AND COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE LIMITED TO A DANCEHALL.

BOTH OF THOSE USES REQUIRE AN SUP UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.

SO, AND FOR, SO IN FI THOUGHT IT WASN'T EVEN ALLOWED.

THEY ARE PERMITTED BY SUP.

CLARIFICATION ON THE HOUR SO THAT WE CAN CHANGE THAT IN THE MOTION.

UM, HE SAID THE HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 7:00 PM TO, UH, 11:00 PM AND HE SAID FRIDAY AND SATURDAY IS 8:00 PM TO 1:00 AM OKAY.

1:30 AM ONE 30.

OH.

WHICH MEANS THAT CAN'T BE OPEN ON SUNDAYS.

DO THE APPLICANT, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU SURE THAT YOU DO NOT WANNA OPEN ON SUNDAYS? AND SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL BE VIOLATING YOUR SEP IF YOU OPEN ON SUNDAYS IN THE FUTURE? OKAY.

COME UP HERE.

SATURDAY NIGHT AT MIDNIGHT.

OH, CAN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR? SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE FUTURE IF YOU OPEN UP ON SUNDAYS, IT WILL VIOLATE THE SUP? YES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? AND JUST TO PUT A REALLY FINE POINT ON THAT, SIR, THAT IF YOU DID WANNA OPEN ON SUNDAYS IN THE FUTURE AND YOU, UH, WERE IN VIOLATION OF YOUR SUP THIS WHOLE SIX TO 10 MONTH, UH, PROCESS THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED IN RIGHT NOW, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AND AMEND THE SUP.

YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT? OR YOU COULD LEAVE IT IN AS AN OPTION AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO SEE US AGAIN.

JUST WANT TO REALLY MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

LET ME LEAVE IT AS AN OPTION.

PARDON ME? COULD I LEAVE IT AS AN OPTION? ALTHOUGH THAT'S UP TO THE, TO THE COMMISSIONER.

IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK OFFLINE BALL THOUGH.

TECHNICALLY HE IS OPEN ON SUNDAY, RIGHT? IT'S CLOSING AT ONE 30 IN THE MORNING.

SO HE HE IS OPEN ON SUNDAY.

HE'S OPEN ON SATURDAYS ALSO.

BUT HIS UP SAYS THAT HE'S NOT YES.

THE CURRENT APPLICATION SAYS, SAYS NOT.

WANT ON IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE WANT TOTAL CLARIFICATION.

I THINK THE WAY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD PHRASE THAT IS, UM, BECAUSE HE'S 8:00 PM TO ONE 30, UH, SATURDAYS, 8:00 PM TO 1:30 AM AND THEN PARENTHESES THE NEXT DAY.

UM, AND THEN IF ANY ADDITIONAL HOURS WERE EVEN POSSIBLY NEEDED ON A SUNDAY, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED AS WELL.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO THE COMMISSIONER? IS THERE A REASON WHY WE DON'T WANT HIM TO OPERATE ON SUNDAY? OR YOU JUST WANT HIM TO CLARIFY THOSE THINGS? WE

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AN ATTORNEY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS CASE BEFORE.

GOTCHA.

SO LET ME JUST LEAVE YOU WIDE OPEN THEN.

IF I DECIDE TO DO IT ON SUNDAY, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? I'M CURRENTLY SIX DAYS A WEEK, BUT IF SO, BE IT A A A A HOLIDAY, I WANNA OPEN UP FOR A HOLIDAY OR DO A BRUNCH ON THAT SUNDAY.

I WANNA BE ABLE TO DO IT ON THAT SUNDAY.

AND WHAT HOURS WOULD THAT BE? ARE YOU KEEPING THE, THE SAME? IT, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE THE SAME HOURS.

SAME HOURS AS WHICH DAY? SATURDAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE SUNDAY GOING INTO, UH, MONDAY, PEOPLE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HANG OUT THAT LATE.

SO IT PROBABLY WOULD BE 7:00 PM PROBABLY TO 12:00 AM ON A SUNDAY IF I DID USE IT.

AND IF NEW YEAR'S COME ON A SUNDAY, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN AT 12 O'CLOCK ON NEW YEAR'S EVE IF NEW YEAR'S CAME ON SUNDAY.

IF NEW YEAR'S EVE CAME ON A SATURDAY AT 12 O'CLOCK, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE OUT THE BUILDING BEFORE THE BALL DROPPED.

I NEED TO LEAVE IT OPEN.

COMMISSIONER WILLER .

I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE IT, I JUST WANNA LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN.

BUT YOU HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT.

I CAN'T CLARIFY IT.

WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DATE? MY BRAIN IS OKAY, LET'S, LET'S GIVE IT, LET'S GIVE IT THE SAME TIME AS WE WOULD GIVE IT SATURDAY.

FROM 12 TO 12 TO 12 TO 1:00 AM POSSIBLY.

UH, CHIANA, WOULD YOU MIND FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE TO JUST READ ALOUD INTO THE RECORD, UH, THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT MERE SECONDS AGO.

MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, SEVEN DAYS OF THE WEEK.

IF YOU COULD JUST DO THAT FOR, FOR ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY, UH, ME, , I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

'CAUSE I'M A LITTLE LOST .

UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION IS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 7:00 PM UNTIL 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, 8:00 PM TO 1:30 AM AND THEN SUNDAY, 8:00 PM TO 1:30 AM THANK YOU MA'AM.

MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THEM IN THE WRONG REPORT.

IT SAYS THE BAR LOUNGE OR TERRA MAY ONLY OPERATE AM TILL 1:00 AM THE NEXT DAY, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

OH, ARE YOU? SO HE'LL, HE'LL ONLY BE OPEN IN THE PM NO AM NO, NO AM UNLESS IT'S ONE 30 IN THE MORNING.

UNLESS IT'S ONE 30 IN THE MORNING, THAT'S WHEN THEY HAVE TO CLOSE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ARE WE SAYING CHANGING IT TO SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? SUNDAY THROUGH SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? BECAUSE SATURDAY IS NOT LISTED.

SO SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY THE HOURS ARE THE SAME.

MR. ACTUALLY READ MR. MORRIS FEVEROUSLY WRITING DOWN A MOTION OVER HERE, AND THIS IS COMMISSIONER HAWK AS THE, UH, THE TIMES WERE READ INTO THE RECORD, SUNDAY SAID EIGHT PI THINK IT SAID 8:00 PM IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

WAS THAT RIGHT? AND THE APPLICANT MENTIONED HAVING BRUNCH AS A POSSIBILITY.

THAT'S A GREAT CATCH.

COMMISSIONER HAWK, I THINK HE, HE CHANGED A SPLIT SECOND LATER TO JUST TO MATCH THE SATURDAY NIGHT.

YEAH, HE, HE DID MENTION THE BRUNCH AND THEN LATER SAID THAT HE WOULD RATHER HAVE THE SATURDAY HOURS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

COMMISSIONER HAWK.

THAT'S GREAT CATCH.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, HE, HE DID SAY HE WENT THE BRUNCH HOURS ON SUNDAY, BUT THEN LATER SAID THAT HE WOULD, UH, RATHER HAVE THE SATURDAY HOURS FOR SUNDAY, BUT HE CAN'T DO BRUNCH.

DAY SO THAT YOU ONE 30, I MEAN 1:00 AM OR 1:30 AM EVERY DAY.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH 8:00 AM TO, TO 1:00 PM EVERY

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SO WE CAN JUST BE ACROSS THE BOARD.

THAT'LL WORK.

SIMPLIFY IT TO 1 37 DAYS A WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.

SO HE CAN, WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO, HE CAN DO WITHOUT HAVING TO, TO DIFFERENTIATE THINGS.

ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? READY? COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UH, YOUR MIC WASN'T ON, SO I I I'M VERY BEING VERY TEDIOUS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT.

MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, 8:00 AM TO 1:30 AM THE NEXT DAY CORRECT.

SEVEN DAYS OF THE WEEK, CORRECT.

SO 8:00 AM TO 1:30 AM 8:00 AM TO 1:30 AM THE NEXT DAY.

SO HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ONE DAY THIS TIME.

ONE DAY THAT TIME.

ONE DAY THIS TIME.

ONE DAY THAT TIME.

SO THE, SO THE ONLY TIMES CONSISTENT AND EVEN YES MA'AM.

THE ONLY TIMES WHERE HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO OPERATE IS 1:31 AM TO 7:59 AM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

I'M JUST SO GLAD WE GOT ALL THAT OUT OF THE AIR.

, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

I'M READY.

IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 1, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM.

SUBJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, THE SUP EXPIRES IN ONE YEAR IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

AND ALSO SIX, THAT THE, UM, THAT THE, THAT IT CLOSES BETWEEN THAT IT IS OPEN MU SUNDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 8:00 AM TO 1:30 AM NEXT DAY, THE NEXT DAY, ONE YEAR SUP, ONE YEAR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

AND I HAVE, UM, COMMENTS AND YOU'RE FOLLOWING STAFF'S RECOMMENDED, UH, STRIKING OF ITEM, THE ITEM FOR LANDSCAPING AND THE ITEM FOR LIGHTING.

AND I'M FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE STRIKING OF LANDSCAPING AND FOR LIGHTING.

LIGHTING AND SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN.

SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN.

AND THAT, DO I ALSO NEED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IT BE UPDATED WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? BECAUSE THERE IS A OCCUPANCY LOCK IS THERE IS ALREADY A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN PLACE THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW, BUT IT COULD BE DEALT WITH AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ONCE THE SUP IS IN PLACE.

IF THE SUP IS IN PLACE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR SECOND COMMISSIONERS,

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ER FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

FALSE AFRICAN RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH I WILL NOT REPEAT.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES, UH, 1:57 PM LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

[8. 24-1175 An application for 1) a new subdistrict for FWMU-5 Walkable Urban Mixed Use Form Subdistrict uses on property zoned a D(A) Duplex Subdistrict, a CC Community Commercial Subdistrict, and a P(A) Parking Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, in an area generally along the southwest line of South Central Expressway, northwest of Pennsylvania Avenue, and east of Julius Schepps Freeway; 2) a Specific Use Permit for a commercial parking lot or garage on property zoned a CC Subdistrict and a D(A) Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, on the southwest line of South Central Expressway, between Pennsylvania Avenue and Peabody Avenue; and 3) a Specific Use Permit for a commercial parking lot or garage on property zoned a CC Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, on the west corner of South Central Expressway and Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: 1) Approval of a new subdistrict for FWMU-5 Subdistrict uses, subject to staff’s recommended conditions; 2) approval of a Specific Use Permit for a commercial parking lot or garage for a two-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions; and 3) approval of a Specific Use Permit for a commercial parking lot or garage for a two-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: Forest Forward Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 7 Z223-268(LG) ]

WE'RE READY TO GO BACK ON THE RECORD.

IT IS TWO 20.

UH, WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD AND HEADING BACK INTO THE DOCKET.

MOVING ON TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND IS STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER.

SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HEARING READY TO GO.

WE'LL GET THAT WRITTEN INTO THE RECORD.

FIRST.

PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE AND PEABODY AVENUE.

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS KS Z 2 2 3 2 6 8.

AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR FWMU FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIX, USED FORM SUBDISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED A DA DUPLEX SUBDISTRICT, A CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT, AND A PA PARKING SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95.

THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT IN AN AREA GENERALLY ALONG THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, NORTHWEST OF PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE AND THE EAST OF JULIUS CHAPS FREEWAY.

NUMBER TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE UNDER PROPERTY ZONED A CC SUBDISTRICT DA SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN.

DEVELOP DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95 ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY BETWEEN

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AND NUMBER THREE, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE ON PROPERTY ZONE.

THEY CCC SUBJECTED WITHIN PLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95 ON THE WEST CORNER OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD.

STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL OF A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR F WM U FIVE SUBDISTRICT USES SUBJECT TO A SUBAR MAP EXHIBIT AND STATUS FOR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

NUMBER TWO, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

AND NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AIP PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

SHE GOT ALL THAT RIGHT IN THERE.

I'M GLAD YOU HAVE TO READ ALL THAT IN .

APPRECIATE IT.

WOW.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. BOEING.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET IN DALLAS.

I'M PROUD AND, AND HAPPY TO BE HERE REPRESENTING FOREST THEATER AND FOREST FORWARD.

AND THE, UH, THOSE REZONING TO HELP NOT ONLY REVITALIZE, UH, THE THE THEATER ITSELF, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING IT.

BUT I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T START OFF IN SAYING THAT I WANT TO THANK MS. GARZA.

UH, MR. PEPE AND MR. MULKEY, THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND IN HELPING US CRAFT THIS LANGUAGE YOU HAVE SEEN HERE TODAY.

I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME GOING OVER THAT, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY WERE SPECTACULAR TO WORK WITH AND AND THEY DESERVE A, A BIG HAND FOR THAT.

UM, SO THIS IS A SITE, IT'S, UH, UH, THE FOREST THEATER TRACK, UH, THE PARKING LOT BEHIND IT.

AND THEN THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT FOREST FORWARD OWNS, UH, IT'S ALTOGETHER ABOUT 7.8 ACRES.

UM, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE'RE PRESERVING THE THEATER.

WE'RE DOING AN ADDITION TO THE THEATER.

WE'RE REZONING ALL OF THIS INTO A PD SUBDISTRICT FOR WALKABLE MIXED USE FIVE.

BUT WE ARE NOT, WE'RE AT THIS POINT, WE'RE ASKING FOR NO RESIDENTIAL TO BE ALLOWED THERE.

WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.

THERE'S NOT A, A CLEAR CONSENSUS AT THIS POINT ON WHAT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL MAKES SENSE HERE.

SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY RESIDENTIAL, SO YOU'LL TO COME BACK AND SEE US ON, ON THAT.

ANOTHER THING WE'RE DOING HERE IS, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR SUVS FOR, UH, TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS.

UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH TXDOT, UH, THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL'S, GOVERNMENTS, AND THE CITY ON PUTTING OUR REQUIRED PARKING UNDERNEATH I 45.

WE'VE BEEN AWARDED A $5 MILLION GRANT FROM THE, UH, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO DO THAT.

THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE NOT, NOT WORKING WITH ONE, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THREE, UH, GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES.

WE'RE, IT'S GOING TO BE TWO YEARS BEFORE WE, WE CAN ACTUALLY GET UNDER THERE.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS TO ALLOW FOR SURFACE PARKING.

THEY'RE GONNA BE TEMPORARY.

WE'RE, WE'VE HAD PRO PROVISIONS IN OUR, UH, REGULATIONS THAT THEY CAN BE DECOMPOSED GRANITE EXCEPT FOR WHERE WE HAVE, UH, FIRE LANES AND HANDICAP PARKING SPACES, AND THEY'RE FOR TWO YEARS.

SO, UH, WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP THE, THE SURFACE PARKING, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

UH, SO THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED, WE HAVE, FOR THE FOREST THEATER LOT, WE'VE CREATED, UH, A NEW DEFINITION CALLED, UH, UH, PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, WHICH HAS RECENTLY BEEN REVISED SINCE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER BROUGHT UP, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE A THEATER, YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER, AND IT ALLOWS OTHER USES IN IT.

IF YOU HAVE THIS, USE, THE RULES THAT ARE IN THE PD APPLY TO THAT SETBACKS, TRANSPARENCY, HEIGHT AND ALL THAT.

ALL THE OTHER PROPERTY WITHIN THIS PD UH, FOLLOW DIRECTLY TO THE FWMU FIVE ZONING DISTRICT.

NO, NO REGULATION CHANGES ON ANY OF THAT, SO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT EXCEPT NO RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE, THE LOCATION WHERE THE THEATER AND, AND THE PARKING, UH, WENT THROUGH ALL THAT AND MY TIME.

JUST THANK YOU.

COMPLETE YOUR THOUGHT.

OKAY, CHERYL, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE LASH CHERYL WALKER WITH FOREST FORWARD.

ONCE, ONCE WHITE FLIGHT BEGAN, AFRICAN-AMERICANS BEGAN TO MOVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND UTILIZE THE FOREST THEATER.

MY NAME IS LASHER WALKER, 36 0 7 HAMBURG COURT, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.

THE FOREST THEATER WAS BUILT IN 1949 BY CARL HAZE.

IT IS ASSISTED THEATER TO THE LAKEWOOD, THE INWOOD, AND THE MAJESTIC.

AND THE FOREST THEATER HAS BEEN THE ONLY THEATER THAT HAS STRUGGLED TO STAY OPEN THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

IT WAS AS IT WAS BUILT IN 1949.

THE HIGHWAY WAS BUILT THERE.

THE THEATER ORIGINALLY, UH, THE HIGHWAY ORIGINALLY SEG SEPARATED.

THE COMMUNITY DIVIDED THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN, IN HALF.

AND SO THE HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION BEGAN IN 19, IN THE FIFTIES.

AND THE HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION SPARKED THE WHITE FLIGHT.

IT ALSO TOOK OUT 1400 HOMES IN THAT COMMUNITY.

AND SEGREGATION AND REDLINING BEGAN.

THIS PHOTO YOU SEE HERE, WAS TAKEN IN 1955.

AND SO AT THAT TIME,

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THERE YOU GO.

YOU SEE HERE, THIS PICTURE IS TAKEN IN 1957.

YOU SEE THE SEA, UH, FOREST THEATER IS CIRCLED THERE IN THE GREEN OVER HERE TODAY.

YOU SEE THE HIGHWAY WHERE YOU SEE WHERE THE, THE FREEWAY IS THERE SM RIGHT FREEWAY IS THERE.

AND THEN TODAY WE HAVE, UH, WORK BEING DONE BY TEX OUT TO BRIDGE THE GAP TO BRING THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK TOGETHER TO TRY TO RECTIFY THE SEPARATION THAT WE HAVE FROM ONE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY TO THE OTHER.

AND SO THE, THE PLAN THERE IS TO JUST BRIDGE THE GAP, BRING THE COMMUNITY BACK TOGETHER, HAVE A MORE WALKABLE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO CONNECT FROM ONE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY TO THE OTHER.

THERE'S BEEN MANY THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS AS I, I, I DIDN'T SAY MY TITLE, BUT I'M THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE DONE, I'VE PARTICIPATED IN SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH MANY DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, JUST MAKING SURE THE COMMUNITY IS INFORMED AND KNOW WHAT THE FOREST THEATER IS PLANNING TO DO.

SO WE'VE HAD REGULAR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

WE HAD A HUGE MEETING AT CORNERSTONE CHURCH WITH OVER, UH, 50, UH, IN ATTENDANCE, WHICH WAS OUR ZONING MEETING, WHICH I, WHICH I HEARD THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY GREAT ATTENDANCE.

UH, THE THEATER IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S BEEN A CULTURAL DESTINATION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO WE WANT TO BRING THAT CULTURAL DESTINATION BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S HAD SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL HISTORY AND IT'S JUST BEEN THAT PLACE WHERE RESIDENTS CAN COME.

WE'VE HAD VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVES, GIRL SCOUTS AND BOY SCOUT MEETINGS, AND IT'S, UH, BREAKFASTS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE WANT TO BRING THOSE THINGS BACK FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS, TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THAT CULTURAL DESTINATION WHERE THEY'RE, WHETHER THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE OR TO JUST SIT AND, UH, LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ARTS.

WE WANT TO BRING THAT CULTURAL COMMUNITY FEEL BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THAT IS MY TIME AND I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TODAY.

I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

IT'S BEEN A, A WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR THE FOREST THEATER.

ALRIGHT? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS MIKE BELLA.

I'M, UH, AN HKS EMPLOYEE OF 39 YEARS.

I'M THE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE FOR THIS PROJECT, AND I'M ALSO THE PRACTICE LEADER FOR THE ARTS.

AND FOR US, THAT MEANS ANY PLACE WHERE PEOPLE SING, DANCE, OR PERFORM, THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT I, I SPECIALIZE IN MY PROJECT.

UH, MY, MY TASK THIS AFTERNOON IS TO TALK ABOUT FOREST THEATER AND, AND HOW, UH, TOGETHER WITH, UH, FOREST FORWARD THAT WE ARE CREATING A WALKABLE MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.

REMOVED ALL OF THE ASBESTOS AND WE'VE REPLICATED ALL OF THE, UH, ARC DECO DETAILING IN THE CEILINGS, IN THE WALLS AND THE FLOOR MATERIALS AND SUCH.

UM, THERE'S REALLY JUST A HANDFUL OF, OF ASPECTS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO ADDRESS.

AND, AND I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE, OUR GOAL WAS TO CREATE A THEATER THAT WAS VIABLE, THAT IT WAS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, THAT IT, IT, IT FUNCTIONED, UH, PROPERLY, AND THAT IT WORKED AS A THEATER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT RESPECTED, ITS, ITS HISTORIC ROOTS.

THE SECOND ITEM HAS TO DO WITH THAT.

IT, IT HAD TO BE A, A COMMUNITY FOCAL POINT, BEGINNING WITH THE HISTORICAL, UH, HERITAGE OF, OF, OF FOREST THEATER.

THAT WE, WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO, TO CREATE SOMETHING ON CAMPUS THAT, THAT REALLY KNITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER.

UM, I'LL SAY BRIEFLY, I LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WAS PERFECT NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL I 35 WAS BUILT AND IT CUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD APART.

AND SO I, THIS IS KIND OF A PERSONAL THING FOR ME BECAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, THIS NOTION OF KNITTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THE THIRD ASPECT IS ALL OF THE MODERNIZATIONS THAT, THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TO THE THEATER.

AND I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH VERY BRIEFLY WITH THE MAIN THEATER.

UH, WE'VE TAKEN, UH, THAT, THAT WAS, UH, UH, CINEMA CENTRIC AND NOW IT'S MUSIC CENTRIC FOR UP TO A THOUSAND PEOPLE.

BUT IT, IT'S ALSO A DINNER CLUB AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

THE STUDIO THEATER IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER PROVISION AT AROUND 200, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT, IT'S MAILABLE SO THAT IT, IT'S ALSO, UH, SERVES AS A, A BANQUET FACILITY WITH USED TO THE SOUTH.

THE COMMUNITY ROOM IS, IS A ROOM THAT'S GOING TO BE USED, I THINK, UH, ON A DAILY BASIS FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM ON SCHOOL DAYS.

AND EVEN LONGER DURING THE, THE, UH, PERFORMANCE EVENINGS, THERE'S AN EDUCATION HUB, AND FORREST IS WORKING WITH DISD.

SO THAT, UH, THE, THE CHILDREN FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING ARTS ACADEMY, IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING INSIDE THE THEATER, WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE VISUAL ARTS PROVISION AT THE, THE HUB.

THERE'S A ROOFTOP TERRACE, AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE VERY SPECIAL, UH, BEFORE SHOWS AND AFTER SHOWS, UH, THE ROOFTOP TERRACE AND THE, THE LOBBY THAT'S ATTENDED TO THAT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE FAIR PARK.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN, UM, UH, DALLAS, THE HISTORIC LOBBY WE'RE, WE'VE DONE TWO THINGS.

WE'VE

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THE SOUTH LOBBY IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF THE HISTORIC LOBBY.

UM, IF YOU RECALL THE, THE OLD CINEMAS, THE LOBBY WAS VERY, VERY SMALL.

YOU GRAB YOUR POPCORN, YOU DUCKED INTO THE THEATER.

SO FOR MODERN THEATERS TO COMPETE WITH, WITH OTHER THEATERS, UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOBBY THAT, THAT IS A BIT LARGER.

UH, AND IT ALSO SERVES NOT ONLY THE HISTORIC, UH, PART OF THE, THE HALL, BUT ALSO THE, THE STUDIO THEATER.

I WANNA TALK ABOUT A FESTIVAL STREET.

AND THE NOTION, UH, WAS, WAS SPEAKING WITH, WITH THE COMMISSIONER EARLIER, THINK FLORA STREET ON A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SCALE THAT LINKS THE ARTS ACADEMY, UH, WHERE THE STUDENTS LEARN THEIR CRAFT AND THEN THEY PRESENT AND, AND WORK IN THE THEATER.

SO EVERYTHING THAT HARWOOD WANTS TO BE IS, IS A FESTIVAL STREET, PARTICULARLY ON MARTIN LUTHER KING PARADE WATCH DAY.

UH, YOU GET IT, UH, ACTIVITY PLAZA AND THE LAWN, UH, THERE'S A NEW PROVISION THERE ON THE SOUTHEAST AND THE SOUTH.

AND I THINK THAT THE, THE LAWN, FOR INSTANCE, WOULD BE USED, UH, DURING EASTER SUNDAY FOR, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE EGG, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE THINGS WITH THE KIDS.

AND I SEE THAT THE SLIGHTLY SLOPING LAWN, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE KIDS ROLLING ON THE GRASS.

THE, UM, CONCESSIONS THERE.

THERE'S A TON OF CONCESSIONS THAT ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT.

UH, THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE, SO THAT'S FOR PATRONS, UH, DAY IN, DAY OUT ON WEEKDAYS.

AND THEN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE AND AFTER THE SHOWS, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH, WITH THE NEW AND THE OLD IS NOW ACCESSIBLE, INCLUDING ALL OF THE, THE BALCONIES, THE ROOFTOP AND SUCH.

UM, AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IT'S, THIS IS ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC, UH, UH, REGISTER.

AND, UM, IT ALSO COMPLIES WITH, UH, THE FEDERAL HISTORIC TAX CREDIT REQUIREMENTS.

WITH THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE CAN TRANSITION THOSE LOTS TO ANOTHER MIXED USE, LIKELY RESIDENTIAL.

FORMER PLAN, COMMISSIONER MARGO MURPHY.

WELCOME BACK.

WELL, THANK YOU.

FIRST TIME BACK.

I KNOW YOU'RE HAVING LOTS OF FLASHBACKS.

YES, IT'S MY FIRST TIME BACK.

AND IF, IF YOU SEE ME CHATTERING, IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M NERVOUS, ALTHOUGH I AM A LITTLE, IT'S BECAUSE I'M FREEZING COLD.

I, I FORGOT HOW COLD IS IT BEFORE I START IN ON MY THREE MINUTES? UM, MR. VELA CAME FROM SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH, AND HIS ADDRESS IS 2 2 2 MAIN STREET, SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH.

JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, YES, I'M MARGOT MURPHY.

I'M WITH BALDWIN ASSOCIATES AT 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.

AND I JUST WANNA SUMMARIZE SOME, UH, SOME KEY POINTS.

UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, STAFF, UH, REALLY RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO WITH A FORM DISTRICT HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT WALKABLE MIXED USE COMMUNITY.

AND TO DO SO, WE HAD TO COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 13.

HERE'S A SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.

IT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING.

IT'S ON MLK, AND IT WAS ON THE, ON THE SM WRIGHT FREEWAY.

UM, SO WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT TO COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 13.

IT'S GOT SOME GOOD STREET FRONTAGE, BUT WE HAD TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO SOME OF THE RULES TO GET THE PERCENTAGES UP.

BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB, UH, TO, TO MAKE IT WALKABLE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS BLUE.

UM, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE NEW ADDITION IS.

THERE'S SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN THE NEW AND THE OLD.

BUT THE GOAL WAS, AND I'LL, I'M GONNA JUMP UP TO, UH, OH, HERE'S SOME BEAUTIFUL ELEVATIONS.

SO LET ME FINISH MIKE'S AND THEN I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SUM IT UP.

SO THERE'S AN MLK ELEVATION.

UM, THERE'S THE PEABODY THAT LOOKS OUT INTO AN OPEN LOT.

UM, THERE'S SOME STEPS THERE.

AND IT'S A DA COMPLIANT ON THE RIGHT.

HERE'S THE HARWOOD ELEVATION, THAT FESTIVAL STREET THAT IS A PUBLIC STREET.

WE KNOW WE'D HAVE TO GET SPECIAL REQUESTS TO DO A FESTIVAL, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S ALSO A LOADING DOCK BECAUSE THIS THEATER HAS TO BE USABLE SO THAT IT'S ON THE HARWOOD SIDE.

HERE'S THE ARTICLE 13 COMPLIANCE STUFF I WANNA TALK ABOUT.

UM, ALONG THE NORTH END, THERE IS MLK, THERE'S SOME PARKING SPACES THAT CAN'T COMPLY THERE, BUT WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE ORANGE OR THE DARK YELLOW THERE, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO MODIFY THE, THE, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH ARTICLE 13.

UM, ON THE GROUND FLOOR TRANSPARENCY, AGAIN, THE, UH, I HAVE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO LESLIE HAMILL AND MIKE VELA AND TO, AND TO STAFF HERE.

I, IF YOU ALL KNEW HOW MANY HOURS WE SPENT CALCULATING, DRAWING, COLOR CODING EXHIBITS, EXCEL SPREADSHEETS, IT, IT, IT WAS A LABOR OF LOVE AND THANKS TO STAFF FOR REALLY ZOOMING WITH US, LITERALLY SO THAT WE COULD GET THE NUMBERS RIGHT.

BUT WE CALCULATED A LOT OF NUMBERS WITH THE GOAL OF TRYING TO COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 13, AGAIN, WITH THE PARKING, UM, SUVS ARE FOR THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH LOT ONLY TEMPORARY.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD WITH THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO GET THIS RIGHT.

UM, AND THEY'VE APPROVED $5 MILLION, AS ROB SAID.

BUT THE GOAL IS THAT THOSE PARKING LOTS, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THE FUTURE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED, AS CHERYL SAID, WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO PARTNER

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UM, HERE, IF IN THE LIME GREEN THERE, THE LIGHT GREEN THAT IS THE PARKING UNDER I 45, IT WOULD EXIT ONTO MLK INGRESS AND EGRESS ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE WALKABILITY UNDERNEATH CO THINKING OF A BEAUTIFUL CROSSWALK THAT WOULD MAKE IT, UH, VERY WALKABLE FROM THE PARKING LOT TO, UM, TO THE, UH, I 45.

AND IT WOULD BENEFIT CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH AND OTHER COMMUNITY.

SO I WILL LEAVE IT WITH, UH, THAT SLIDE AND WE'RE, UH, HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO SIT AT THE HORSESHOE.

WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE, UM, THAT, UH, WANNA TALK AND SUPPORT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER.

UH, MY NAME IS WILLIE MC COLEMAN.

UH, I'VE LIVED IN SUNNY SOUTH DALLAS ALL OF MY LIFE.

I'LL BE 90 IN AUGUST AND 1948.

I REMEMBER WHEN THEY BUILT THIS THEATER AND ALL THE GROCERY STORES WAS THERE.

AND THEY HAVE BEEN SO, UH, HELPFUL TO OUR COMMUNITY SINCE THEY WANTED TO REDO IT.

WE WANT THEM TO REDO IT.

THE COMMUNITY WHERE I LIVE, I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

WE ALL ARE HAPPY TO SEE THIS GOING ON.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AND THEY WORK WITH US.

WE'VE ENJOYED IT.

IT HAS BEEN A HAPPY TIME FOR US, AND WE ARE GLAD TO SEE IT COMING BACK ALIVE.

IT HAS SIT THERE EMPTY SO LONG.

UH, I WAS A LITTLE GIRL WHEN THEY OPENED UP, BUT I COULDN'T GO IN IT.

BUT LATER ON I DID GET TO GO IN IT, UH, AND WE COULDN'T KEEP IT UP, SO IT HAD TO CLOSE FOREVER.

BUT WE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD VI US.

BUT I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE THIS AND WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL GIVE THEM THE APPROVAL THAT THEY NEED.

'CAUSE THIS WILL BRING BACK SUNNY, SOUTH DALLAS TO LIFE.

HELP BRING IT BACK AGAIN.

HI, MY NAME IS BRENDA EDWARDS, AND I'M NOT ORIGINALLY FROM HERE, BUT I'M ORIGINALLY FROM A PLACE WHERE I GREW UP WITH THEATERS AROUND.

AND THIS WILL BE A BLESSING FOR THE CHILDREN AND THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN WRITING AND EXPRESSING THINGS.

AND THIS PLACE IS GONNA BE A SCHOOL FOR OUR CHILDREN THAT LIKE TO READ AND WRITE AND ACT AND DO THINGS.

AND I'M PRAYING AND HOPING THAT EVERYTHING GOES WELL FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING UP IN THIS, THIS TIME.

AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS THEATER WILL BE THE BLESSING FOR ALL OF THEM.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE I'M NOT NEW FROM HERE, BUT I GREW UP WHERE THERE WAS A THEATER.

THAT'S IT.

I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS ONLINE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.

HOMELESSNESS, PROSTITUTION, DRUG SELLING, ET CETERA.

UH, TO THE COMMISSION.

UH, MY NAME IS JAMES PRICE.

I'M WITH THE COLONIAL HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UH, WE SUPPORT THE, UH, FOREST FORWARD PROGRAMS AND WE THINK IT'S A VERY, UH, UH, AN ASSET DRIVE COMMUNITY AND ITS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS WITH THE, UH, HOUSING ASPECT OF IT.

AND, UH, WE WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE APARTMENTS IN THE AREA BECAUSE APARTMENTS DON'T DO GOOD IN OUR COMMUNITY.

USUALLY THEY START OFF OKAY, BUT THEN AFTER A FEW YEARS, THEY END UP BEING A HAVEN FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.

AND WE WOULD NOT LIKE TO, TO, WE WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAVE SEE THAT, THAT WOULD BE TAKING OUR COMMUNITY BACKWARDS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, SOMETHING LIKE TOWN HOMES OR CONDOMINIUMS OR JUST, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS BUILT THERE, WHICH WOULD BRING IN, UH, UH, NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD HAVE A STAKE IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT WOULD BE VERY POSITIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, WE, I'M ALSO OPPOSED TO, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT WITHOUT, WITHOUT, UH, THE REQUIREMENT

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FOR MINIMUM PARKING.

UH, WE THINK THAT THIS IS A BAD, UH, EXAMPLE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT, UH, WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENT FOR ADEQUATE PARKING, BECAUSE THIS WILL SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANNA BE CONCERNED WITH TRYING TO FIND AN ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.

AND THAT WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO BE, UH, PARKING ON THE STREETS IN DIFFERENT PLACES AND CAUSE SOME CONFUSION AND CONGESTION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE ARE, WE, WE ARE AGAINST THAT, BUT, UH, WE SUPPORT THE, UH, FOREST THEATER AND THIS PROJECT AND WE SUPPORT, UH, EVERYTHING.

IT'S JUST THAT THE HOUSING ASPECT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE, UH, SOME TYPE OF, UH, SINGLE FAMILY SITUATION THERE SO THAT WE CAN GET PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL HAVE A STAKE IN THE COMMUNITY AND BE A VERY POSITIVE, UH, INFLUENCE ON OUR COMMUNITY.

AND TO THE COMMISSIONER AND EVERYONE, I'M MICHAEL MURPHY, PRESIDING AT 36 20 WIND KIN STREET IN THE COLONIAL HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO FIRST SAY THAT I AM AND WAS BORN IN THIS COMMUNITY IN THE FIFTIES.

SO I'VE SEEN OR HAVE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF, HAVE A SIGHT IMPAIRMENT, BUT YOU, UH, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU IMPAIRMENTS WILL DO AS FAR AS RECOGNIZING AND KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU.

THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION.

BUT IN THIS, IN OUR COMMUNITY, I GREW UP, I WENT TO COLONIAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS NOW THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, UH, ACADEMY.

UH, GREW UP, WALKED AROUND, PLAYED ALL OVER THIS AREA.

THE FOREST THEATER HAS ALWAYS MEANT A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY.

AS A BLACK COMMUNITY.

I AM A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN.

I HAVE PERFORMED AT THAT FACILITY, UH, WHEN IT WAS CHANGED OVER FROM THE THEATER TO THE FOREST CENTRAL CLUB BACK WITH COUSIN LENNY, BIG BO PETE AND THE PARTY BROTHERS.

I PERFORMED THERE EVEN AFTER THAT AS A MUSICIAN.

UM, WE, AGAIN, THE EDUCATION PART OF THE FOREST THEATER.

OF THE FOREST FOREST PROGRAM, WE, FOR THAT, I'M ALL FOR EDUCATING YOUTH.

HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM COMES HERE, THE PARKING THAT TDOT HAS GIVEN TO FOREST, UH, FORWARD THE 300 PARKING SPACES.

WE IN THE COMMUNITY FEEL THAT THAT IS ENOUGH PARKING FOR THAT FACILITY.

WE ALSO, AS A COMMUNITY, AND, AND I AS AN INDIVIDUAL, UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THE PARKING FACILITIES WILL BRING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ATTENDED.

24 7 IS GOING TO BRING A LOT OF, HANGING A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY.

JUST ABOUT A MONTH AGO, MONTH AND A HALF AGO, ONE OF THE PARKING LOTS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM FOREST, THERE WAS AN UBER DRIVER, 25-YEAR-OLD DRIVER THAT

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WENT THERE TO DO A PICKUP.

SOMEBODY CALLED HIM TO COME TO THAT PARKING LOT AND HE GOT KILLED IN THAT SAME AREA.

SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T NEED MORE PARKING SPACES.

WHAT WE NEED IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.

IT'S, IT'S THIS APARTMENT AND MULTI-FAMILY AND TOWN HOMES.

IT'S GONNA CORRUPT THE CHARACTER OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.

THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY IS KNOWN FOR THE STRUCTURAL CHARACTER.

THE, THE MATERIALS THAT THE HOMES IS BUILT FROM, UH, IS WHAT SET THIS AREA OFF ARE SET.

THIS WHOLE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OFFICE BEING A, UH, HISTORICALLY BLACK AREA, THE PD THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER, IT PROTECTS US AND HELPS US TO REGULATE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO BRING IN ALL THESE NEW THINGS, PARKING LOTS AND SUCH, SUCH, THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED AND SEEN AND KNOW ON A DAILY BASIS WHAT IS GOING ON.

SO WE WE'RE ASKING NOT FOR ANY MORE TOWNHOUSES AS A, AS A, UH, PERSON GROWING UP IN THAT AREA, ALL OF THAT VACANT, ALL THOSE VACANT LOTS.

I CAN PERSONALLY, IF YOU SIT DOWN WITH ME, TELL YOU WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT OVER EXAGGERATING THAT I CAN PERSONALLY TELL YOU WHO LIVED AND PROBABLY CAN TELL YOU WHEN THE HOUSE, WELL, WHEN THE LOT BECAME A VACANT LOT, THOSE HOUSES WERE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

WE GOT CHILDREN, WE GOT ELDERLY FOLK, WE GOT PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES.

IT'S GONNA BRING TOO MUCH TRAFFIC INTO THE COMMUNITY.

INDUSTRIALIZING THAT AREA, TOWN PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE IS A PART OF THE COLONIAL HILL, UH, COMMUNITY.

AND WE JUST ASK THAT THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED ON THE BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNERS.

WE GOT A LOT.

AS A RESULT OF THE, UH, VACANT LOTS, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, JUST RENTERS AND SUCH.

BUT THANK YOU FOR JOINING US MR. MURPHY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

I DUNNO ABOUT NO TIME THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM.

MR. BALDWIN, WOULD YOU LIKE? OH, YES SIR.

PARDON ME.

MY NAME IS CHARTER BURNS AND, UH, I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF BARBERS THEATER AND THE PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON THERE.

AND MY CONCERN IS, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO A PARKING LOT FOR TEMPORARY PARKING LOT FOR TWO YEARS.

AND AFTER THE TWO YEARS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS THERE? AFTER THE TWO YEARS? I GREW UP, I STARTED GROWING UP IN THAT AREA.

I, I LIVED ON PARK ROAD AND I USED TO WALK FROM PARK ROAD DOWN TO COLONIAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

IT WAS A VERY BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY THERE.

AND I TOO REMEMBER THE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE PEOPLES THAT LIVED THERE ACROSS FROM COLONIAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THE PLANS AFTER THE TWO YEARS OF TEMPORARY USE FOR THE PARKING LOT BACK THERE? AND THEN ALSO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT, WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING HAVING A NO, UH, LEMME HAVE WORD THIS RIGHT? FOR NOT HAVING TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS IN, UH, ZONE SEVEN, ADEQUATE PARKING FOR ALL THE RESTAURANTS, THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP THE COMMUNITY AT ALL.

GOOD MEETING WITH COG AND THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT THIS WEEK TALKING ABOUT SECURITY AND WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK? MR. BALDWIN? YOU GET YOUR REBUTTAL, SIR.

SO, SO, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, THE, TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, UH, WE, WE ARE, UM, WE HOPE TO NEVER HAVE TO BUILD THESE PARKING LOTS.

WE HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS TO, TO BUILD THESE UNDER THE FREEWAY PARKING SPACES.

UM, AND WE, WE MET, HAD A

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AND WE'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO PUT LIGHTS, CAMERAS, FENCING AROUND THIS.

SO THIS WILL BE, THESE WILL BE SECURED PARKING LOTS, BUT THEY WILL ALSO BE OPEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY'RE NOT MERELY JUST FOR FORCE THEATER.

UM, SO WE HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS.

UH, WE THINK IT'S, UH, TRANSFORMATIVE AND, UM, I THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TEAM IN PLACE TO GET THIS DONE.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING TO WORK.

SO, UH, WE HAVE OUR FULL TEAM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

READY FOR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS, MR. BALDWIN, DID YOU GET THROUGH THE SLIDE DECK? ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANY SLIDES THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO? PARDON ME, SIR.

DID WE GET THROUGH THE WHOLE DECK? YEAH, THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

WELL, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PARKING ABOUT THE SECURE AROUND THE PARKING.

UM, CAN YOU JUST SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT HAS THAT, THAT HAS ALREADY KIND OF BEEN ADDRESSED AND THE CONCERNS AND WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO SECURE THOSE PARKING LOTS AND TO KEEP AS MANY, UM, UM, UNWANTED, UH, UM, UM, CHALLENGES OUTTA THAT PARKING LOT? SO, UH, THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS WILL, ANYTIME IN DALLAS WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, WHICH THIS WOULD BE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO SECURE 'EM, UH, FENCE 'EM, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE LIGHTS, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE LANDSCAPING.

SO THE TEMPORARY LOTS WILL, WILL BE SECURED.

THE LOTS UNDERNEATH THE, THE FREEWAY WILL ALSO BE SECURED.

AND I THINK THEY WILL, UH, NOT ONLY HAVE TO MEET CITY STANDARDS, THEY HAVE TO MEET, UH, FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR THAT SINCE IT'S, UH, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, PROPERTY.

AND WHAT DOES THAT SECURITY LOOK LIKE? UM, WHAT TYPE OF FENCING IS THERE OP? ARE THERE GONNA BE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THAT FENCING SO OPEN FROM THIS TIME TO THIS TIME SO THAT AFTER THOSE HOURS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE IN THE PARKING LOT SPINNING OUT, UM, ARE YOU, I KNOW THAT NOW THEY'RE REQUIRING, UM, UM, TIRE STOPPERS.

ARE ALL THOSE GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THAT? UH, I'M SORRY.

THE QUESTION WAS HOW ARE THEY GOING TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE ? THEY'RE GONNA HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION, ESPECIALLY WE'RE UP UNDER THE FREEWAY.

THEY WOULD NOT BE OPEN WHEN WE'RE NOT OPEN.

SO THEY WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME HOURS OF OPERATION.

AND SO EVEN WITH THE COMMUNITY, IT WOULD, WOULD SAY THAT, UM, CORNERSTONE OR ONE OF THE OTHER PLACES IS WE KNOW THAT CORNERSTONE DOESN'T JUST ACT AS A, A HOUSE OF WORSHIP.

THEY ALSO COACH COMMUNITY MEETINGS, FAIRS, CITY OF DALLAS HAS HOSTED THEM WITH, UM, UM, DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEAL.

IF THEY SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE THAT'S OPEN A LITTLE LATER THAN THE HOURS THAT YOU OPEN, WOULD, THEY WOULD, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO SERVICE, IT'S GONNA ALSO SERVICE THE COMMUNITY.

WOULD THEY HAVE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OPEN? I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW THAT WOULD WORK YET, BUT, UH, IT WAS MADE CLEAR TO US AND WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, ANY LOTS UNDERNEATH, UH, PUBLIC PROPERTY ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

WE, WE CAN'T TAKE CONTROL OF THEM.

AND, UH, CORNERSTONE'S OUR FRIEND, THEY'RE OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE, UM, THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO 'EM WHENEVER THEY NEED TO.

AND, AND I'M SURE WE WOULD SAY THE SAME FOR OUR TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS, UH, WHILE THEY'RE THERE.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WILL THEY, AND THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WHO'S GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CLOSED AT A CERTAIN HOUR? UH, THE FOREST FORWARD PEOPLE WERE, BECAUSE THE LEASE WILL BE IN OUR NAME.

SO THERE'S A LEASE IN PLACE.

UM, ALSO, UM, I THINK I WANNA SPEAK TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE HAD.

HOW HAS THAT BEEN? UM, HOW HAS THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BEEN, UM, PRIOR TO EVEN DOING THE SUP? OKAY.

UH, LA CHERYL, DO YOU MIND SPEAKING TO THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU.

MLK, HAVING A TIME WHERE, UH, THE BUSINESSES WILL LET ME JUST SIT AS THE CUSTOMERS ARE COMING IN AND JUST HAVE A TABLE SET UP TO WHERE YOU CAN LEARN WHAT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE COMMUNITY.

FROM EARLY ON FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HAS BEEN WHAT WE'VE DONE.

EVEN BEFORE WE COULD EVEN GET IN THE BUILDING, WE HAD CHALKBOARD OUT FRONT WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO JUST GET INVOLVED.

AND SO FROM THE BEGINNING, AND THEN WE HAD DIFFERENT CHARETTES WHERE WE MET WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME INSIDE THE FOREST THEATER WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO OCCUPY IT AND SIT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHAT THEY WANT THE THEATER TO BE, WHAT THEY REMEMBER, WHAT THEY WANT THE FUTURE OF THE THEATER TO BE, TO LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN JUST ENGAGING IN SEVERAL, I MEAN, MY, MY MY WEEKS, I HAVE A CALENDAR OF ALMOST EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING ON MY CALENDAR, UH, TO ATTEND THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

SO I'VE ATTENDED SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, AREA PLANNING MEETINGS, URBAN MEETINGS.

AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEEN LIKE.

UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, JUST, UH, CHURCHES ATTENDING THE CHURCHES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BEING A PART OF THEIR ANNOUNCEMENTS, SITTING OUT IN THE FOYER, GOING TO THE BUSINESSES ALL UP AND DOWN

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AND SO WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE.

AND SO, UM, AND YOU ARE ALSO A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY IN COAST PROXIMITY E EXACTLY.

FORMERLY USED TO WORK AT ST.

PHILIP'S AS THE, UM, OVER THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO I'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN ST.

PHILIP'S AND CORNERSTONES WAS PREVIOUSLY AT JUBILEE PARK.

SO I'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN GRASSROOTS COMMUNITY EFFORTS, WORKING TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND THE HOUSING COMPONENT.

WAS THAT, WAS THAT I, WAS THAT MY IDEAL STAFF IDEA OR DID YOU ALL HAVE THAT IN MIND FROM EARLY ON OR THAT WAS THAT Y'ALL IDEA? IT'S, IT'S BEEN SOMETHING, A PART OF OUR PLAN FROM EARLY ON, BUT AGAIN, WE'VE, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTED TODAY IS WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.

WHEN WE GET READY TO TALK ABOUT HOUSING, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

HE TALKED ABOUT APARTMENTS.

WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING WE WANT TO BUILD YET.

WE HAVE TO SIT BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY, GET THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING WOULD BEST FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT'S NOT CONFIRMED YET.

WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO SEE WHAT THAT HOUSING WILL LOOK LIKE.

SO WE APPRECIATE, UH, THEM, WE KNOW THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN WITH COLONIAL HILLS FROM THE BEGINNING.

AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE LISTEN, UH, AND ENGAGE THEM AS WELL AS OTHER COMMUNITY MEETINGS, OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHEN WE, WE GET READY TO DO HOUSING AND WHEN WE COME BACK, SIT DOWN, TALK AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT WHAT WE WANT THE HOUSING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK LIKE.

AND ONE MORE QUESTION AS A, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL ARE, BUT A FORMER OR A MEMBER OF THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE, WERE YOU AWARE THAT WE WERE TALK ABOUT THE PARKING, UM, THROUGHOUT SOUTH DALLAS BECAUSE OF THE PARKING THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR IS THE REASON WE HAVE LACK OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS BECAUSE OF THE ARCHAIC PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN PD 5 95? AND I'VE HEARD A LITTLE TALK ABOUT THAT.

I'M NOT TOO CLEAR ON IT THOUGH.

HAR HALL AND HERBERT.

UH, MR. BALDWIN, JUST A COUPLE OF, UH, STRUCTURAL QUESTIONS.

ONE IS, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HARWOOD RUNNING ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THIS PROJECT.

IT'S NOT REALLY A THROUGH STREET, IS IT? NO, IT'S WEIRD.

IT USED TO BE, UH, WHEN TXDOT WIDENED I 45, THEY BLOCKED, UH, HARWOOD STREET RIGHT AT MLK.

SO DEAD ENDS INTO MLK, SO IT RUNS FROM, UH, PENNSYLVANIA DEAD ENDS AT MLK THEN PICKS UP AGAIN ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.

YOU MAY REMEMBER WE CAME IN AND DID A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT TO TAKE IT OFF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN BECAUSE THE FUTURE DESIRE IS TO OWN THE STREET.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE ASK AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.

SO, UH, AS WE NEED THE STREET FOR FESTIVALS, WE WILL GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS.

HOPEFULLY SOMETIME WE'LL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO BUY THE STREET BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A SERVICE STREET AT THIS POINT.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU'VE GOT YOUR, UH, HISTORIC BUILDING AND YOU'RE ADDING ON TWO SIDES.

WELL, YEAH.

ALL THE WAY AROUND.

WE'RE KIND OF WRAPPING IT.

WRAPPING IT.

DOES THAT DESTROY ANY OF THE HISTORICAL BUILDING? NO, SIR.

IT JUST SITS UP AGAINST IT.

OR, UH, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO, TO MIKE.

BUT, UH, IT'S, IT FOLLOWS THE, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES FOR, UH, FEDERAL GUIDELINES.

AND MIKE, IF YOU COULD TALK TO THAT.

COULD THE ACOUSTICS IN THIS ROOM OR SUSPECT? CAN YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? I THINK I HEARD IT.

UH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOU SHOW A WHOLE NEW BUILDING SORT OF WRAPPED AROUND MM-HMM.

THE THEATER.

AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DID WHEN YOU DO THAT, DID IT DAMAGE OR DESTROY ANY OF THE ORIGINAL THEATER BUILDING? NO.

NO.

IT, IT WON'T.

AND WE'RE BEING VERY RESPECTFUL.

WE'VE GOT MICRO FILES THAT ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

BUT, BUT, BUT KEEPING IT, UH, APART A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT GO BACK AND FORTH ARE, ARE SEPARATE.

SO, NO, I, IT ONE DOESN'T HARM THE OTHER.

UM, ROB, I HEARD YOU MENTION ABOUT THE PARKING LOTS, THAT THERE'LL BE, UM, MAYBE DECOMPOSED GRANITE, AND I KNOW DECOMPOSED GRANITE IN OUR AREA HAS CAUSED A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH DUST.

UM, HAVE WE CONSIDERED ANOTHER PERMEABLE SURFACE FOR THOSE? YES.

UH, I USE DECOMPOSED GRANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GENERALLY YOU FIND.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE IN OUR, OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, IT SAYS THAT WE CAN USE ALTERNATIVE PAVING, UH, MATERIALS AS LONG AS THEY'RE APPROVED BY THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS.

SO IT MIGHT NOT BE, IT MIGHT BE FLEX SPACE, IT MIGHT BE SOME OTHER KIND OF, UM, PERMEABLE PAVEMENT.

UH, BUT YOU WILL CONSIDER THAT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.

OH, DEFINITELY.

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BECAUSE WE NEED A PERMEABLE PAVEMENT HELPS US DEAL WITH STORM WATER RUNOFF, AND IT ALSO KEEPS OUR, OUR COSTS DOWN, MAKES IT EASIER TO TRANSFORM THESE BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USES RATHER THAN JUST PARKING.

UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

MR. BALDWIN, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE WAS A PREVIOUS LANDMARK DESIGNATION INITIATED ON THIS PROPERTY? YES, MA'AM.

AND IS THAT CURRENTLY ACTIVE, OR COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED IN YOUR CURRENT PLANS? IT'S NO LONGER ACTIVE.

AND THEN I SAW YOU NOTED THAT THIS IS A NATIONAL REGISTER.

DOES THAT PROVIDE ANY PROTECTIONS RELATIVE TO OUR CITY? I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'M GONNA TURN THAT OVER TO OUR ARCHITECT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

MIKE ASKED QUESTION WAS, DOES A HISTORIC, UH, DESIGNATION PROVIDE PROTECTION TO THE BUILDING? IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

NATIONAL REGISTER.

IT'S, IT'S LIMITED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER SIDE.

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THE CITY SIDE, BUT, UH, IT, IT IS LIMITED.

UNDERSTOOD.

I, I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE TRYING VERY, VERY HARD TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE IS, IS TO, TO MAINTAIN AND REPLICATE THE, THE HISTORIC LOBBY THAT THE HALL ITSELF.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THE MARQUEE, THE TOWER, UH, AND THE, THE FACE OF THE BUILDING IS THE FACES.

UH, MLK.

AND, AND I SEE THAT REFLECTED IN YOUR IMAGES, IN YOUR, UM, RENDERINGS.

IF THERE WAS CONSIDERATION OF LEGACY BUILDING LANGUAGE, WOULD THAT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING? I BELIEVE SO, ABSOLUTELY.

MR. CHAIR, YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. BALDWIN, THE, THE CONCERNS I HEARD FROM, UM, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS SEEM TO BE FOCUSED ON RESIDENTIAL USES AND FOR THE USES OF THE, THE PARKING LOTS.

UM, COULD YOU CONFIRM OR CLARIFY WHAT THE INTENTIONS ARE? RIGHT NOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO BE VOTING ON TODAY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING NO RESIDENTIAL RIGHTS ON ANY OF THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE NOT THE THEATER, NO PAR, NO RESIDENTIAL ON ANY OF THE PROPERTY THAT BEING ROOM ZONED TODAY.

SO THE INTENTION WOULD BE WHEN YOU GET TO THAT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT, YOU'LL COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THIS FULL ZONING PROCESS, UH, WITH FULL COMMUNITY INPUT TO, AND HOPEFULLY BE IN ACCORD ON WHAT KIND OF RESIDENTIAL YOU SEE.

DEFINITELY BECAUSE WE WANNA CREATE A VIBRANT MIXED USE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND RESIDENTIAL IS CLEARLY A PORTION OF THAT, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A CONSENSUS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND US OF WHAT THE, THE PROPER ORIENTATION, FIGURATION AND DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL IS AT THIS POINT.

BUT WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO, TO GET THERE BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE AN ISLAND FULL OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES BECAUSE WE HAVE A SCHOOL TO THE SOUTH OF US THAT WE WANT THE KIDS WALKING UP TO OUR THEATER AND WE'D RATHER WALK BY RESIDENTIAL, UH, OR RATHER THAN JUST NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO WE REALLY WANT TO GET THAT RIGHT AND WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU TO DO THAT.

AND IT'S NOT YOUR INTENTION TO LEAVE THOSE, LIKE TEMPORARY PARKING, SURFACE PARKING LOTS THERE FOR FOREVER AND EVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.

HOPEFULLY NOT AT ALL OR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

I TRULY HOPE THAT I DON'T HAVE TO COME SEE YOU IN TWO YEARS TO GET THESE RENEWED.

AND FOR PARKING, UM, WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON TODAY, AT LEAST THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED LANGUAGE, IS THAT 150 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER AND THAT EVERY OTHER USE HAS TO PARK BY THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE CURRENT, AND THAT 150 CAME FROM THE LAST CO THAT WAS ISSUED FOR THE BUILDING.

THAT'S WHAT THE, THE CITY DETERMINED WAS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

AND WE JUST FOLDED THAT INTO THERE.

SO WE JUST DIDN'T MAKE UP A NUMBER.

THAT'S WHAT IT, THE CITY THOUGHT WE NEEDED.

THANK YOU MR. .

MS. BALL, MR. BALDWIN SPEAKING TO THE PARKING.

DID WE NOT SPEAK OF, ALSO SPEAK ABOUT THE REASON THAT, UM, THAT IT, THAT THE REASON WE WERE GONNA FALL, THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR NO MINIMUMS WAS BECAUSE OF IT FALLS IN LINE WITH THE AREA PLAN, THE AREA PLAN, UM, THAT AND WHICH WAY THAT WE ARE MOVING TOWARD AND PD 5 9 5 TO REMOVE THOSE RESTRICTIONS SO THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IN IN, IN THE AREA, ESPECIALLY OUR OLDER AREAS SUCH AS MARTIN LUTHER THE KING YEAH.

THAT HAS THE FRONT SPACES, 2021 FEET FROM THE CURB.

THOSE THINGS, UH, UM, WILL NO LONGER HINDER DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S WHY A PD DOES PROVIDE PARKING, BUT, UH, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE PARKING.

UM, WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF NO PARKING REQUIRED.

AND IF THAT WAS AWARDED TO US, WE WOULD NOT COMPLAIN.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE OUR LOT LIFE EASIER, ESPECIALLY SINCE OUR PARKING'S GONNA BE UNDER THE FREEWAY.

I DID NOT WANNA BE THE TIP OF THE SPEAR OF, OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, NO PARKING'S NEEDED AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPORTANT RENOVATION WORK FOCUSED JUST ON THE PARKING.

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SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

UH, AGAIN, IF THE COMMISSION THINKS IT'S BEST NOT TO REQUIRE PARKING IN PD 5, 9 5, WE'RE STILL GONNA PROVIDE PARKING.

WE HAVE A PLAN FOR IT, WE HAVE MONEY DEDICATED FOR IT, BUT, UH, THAT'S NOT OUR ASK AT THIS TIME.

MM-HMM.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, TO SPEAKING ABOUT THE PARKING ASPECT OF IT ON THE FRONT END, UM, THE FRONT RETAIL HAS BEEN RETAIL FOR A LONG TIME, EVEN WHEN A THEATER WASN'T IN OPERATION AND PEOPLE WOULD DIP IN, GRAB A BITE OF FOOD AND DIP OUT, THAT OPTION HAS GONE AWAY.

NOW HAS THAT BEEN, HAS PARKING CLOSER TO THOSE RETAIL AREAS BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT? THE PARKING, THE RETAIL AREA IN FRONT OF IT? YEAH, THOSE LEGACY SPACES ARE GONNA STAY THERE.

NO, THAT, THAT PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.

I DO THINK THAT DURING, UH, EVENTS THAT MAY BECOME A A, A VALET DROP OFF, BUT, UH, EVERY, EVERY DAY IT'S GONNA BE OPEN.

I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S GONNA BE A COFFEE SHOP COMING IN RIGHT NEXT TO THE THEATER AND THE INLINE RETAIL THERE, AND SO WE WOULD NEED THAT.

DEFINITELY.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ARE YOU, BUT ARE YOU, YOU ARE AWARE THAT UPON THE CURRENT PD THAT THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE NOT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE LEGAL USE, THEY ARE, THEY CANNOT BE COUNTED IN THE PARKING, BECAUSE PARKING IN THE PD STARTS 25 FEET FROM THE CURB.

YOU, YOU, YOU CAN LEGALLY PARK THERE.

YOU CAN LEGALLY PARK THERE, BUT YOU LEGALLY CAN'T, CAN'T, CAN'T.

AS A PART OF YOUR PARKING AGREEMENT.

ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS ADD PARAGRAPH THREE.

AND THAT IS PART OF THE REASON FOR THE PARKING MINIMUMS BEING TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE THE PD CORRECT.

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MANEUVER IN THE CITY RIGHT AWAY.

AND IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE HALF THE PARKING SPACES ARE IN RIGHT AWAY, BY DEFINITION, YOU CAN'T COUNT THAT.

UM, TAKE A DEFINITION.

THAT MIGHT BE, BUT THE SAME PARKING THAT'S ON IN BISHOP ARTS IN GREENVILLE IS NOT ALLOWED IN SOUTH DALLAS AS A PARKING ADDED AS PARKING IN YOUR PARKING AGREEMENT.

WHEN COUNTING SPACES IN YOUR 150 SPACES, THE PARKING, THE LEGACY PARKING WILL NOT BE COUNTED BECAUSE IT'S 25.

IT'S LESS THAN 25 FEET FROM THE CURB.

THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT YOU PARKED THERE EVERY DAY.

, WE PARK THERE, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T COUNT 'EM.

COMMISSIONER, ANY LAST QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I DO, AND I HAVE COMMENTS AND I CAN GO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 DASH 2 6 8, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING APPROVAL OF A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR, UM, FOR FWMU DASH FIVE.

SOME DISTRICT USES SUBJECT, SUBJECT TO A SUB AREA MAP EXHIBIT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS APPROVAL OF SUP SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS AND AN APPROVAL, APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT AND GARAGE FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD.

SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN SECTION 1 0 4, PERFORMING ARTS CENTER MEANS A USE THAT MUST INCLUDE A THEATER AND A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER.

THIS USE MAY ALSO INCLUDE AN A ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE RESTAURANT WITH OUR DRIVE-THROUGH AND OFFICE FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT REQUEST FOR MAIN USES TO PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, IN SECTION 1 0 4 AND LEGACY BUILDING, MEANING THE EXISTING THEATER BUILDING LOCATED IN SUB AREA A CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO 1950 AS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A SUB SECTION 1 14 2 SUBDISTRICT ONE SUBSECTION G.

THE LEGACY BUILDING LOCATED SUB AREA A IS RECOGNIZED AS AN AREA OF HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THE CITY CITIZENS OF DALLAS.

THE LEGACY BUILDING, THE FOREST THEATER FRONT FACADE ENTRY FEATURE, ORIGINAL MARQUE AND TOWER SIGN IS PROTECTED.

NEW CONSTRUCTION IS ALLOWED IF SET BACK FROM THE PROTECTED ELEMENTS AND DOES NOT OBSCURE ANY SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON EXHIBIT A SUB AREA MAP AT LEGACY BUILDING F FOOTPRINT AND EXISTING ENTRY FEATURE MARQUEE AND TOWER SIGN LOCATED.

NOTED.

AND IF I CAN GET A SECOND, I HAVE COPY.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

THANK YOU MR. BER.

COMMISSIONER MILLER, I'M SORRY IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY A FEW THINGS ON THAT.

UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT.

UM, THE TEXT AS IT WAS PRINTED IN THE DOCKET JUST SAYS THAT RESIDENTIAL USES ARE EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED ON SUB

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AREA B.

UM, IT DOES NOT SAY THEY'RE EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED ON SUB AREA A.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL USES ON SUB AREAS A AND B, SO THE ENTIRE SUBDISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, IT DOESN'T SAY IT ON HER.

HE JUST, HE, UM, DANIEL DID, FOLLOWING THE APP REQUEST FOR MAIN USES THAT PROHI, IT PROHIBITS RESIDENTIAL USES.

UM, AND, AND THEN IS, UH, IT DOESN'T GO IN THE SECTION, HE DOESN'T GO INTO SECTION.

I WANNA PROHIBIT IT IN ALL OF THEM.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, AND THEN I, I JUST WANTED TO COVER THE ONLY OTHER, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THAT WERE PUBLISHED IN THE DOCKET.

UH, NO PARKING, YAY OR NAY.

SO PUT IN THERE WHO FOLLOWS ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ONES THAT I, THE MICRO WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT I, THAT I SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR MOTION SAID IN IT, IN MY, UM, MOTION.

WE DIDN'T MENTION IT BECAUSE WE FOLLOWING IT.

GOTCHA.

I APPRECIATE IT.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

AND YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT, LIKE I, I'VE, I'VE FOLLOWED AND EVERY TIME THERE WAS AN ISSUE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I GOT RIGHT ON TOP OF IT WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING IN SOUTH DALLAS.

I AM 47 YEARS OLD.

I ONLY GOT TO EXPERIENCE THIS BUILDING TWICE IN MY LIFE.

ONCE WHEN THERE WAS A NIGHTCLUB IN THE NINETIES, SECOND WHEN ERICA BADU HAD IT FOR A SHORT PERIOD.

MY MOTHER SPOKE TO ME OF HOW SHE WENT HERE OFTEN.

THIS WAS ONE OF THE MAIN HANGING SPOTS.

AND TO KNOW THAT THE, AND THANK GOD NO ONE EVER TORE DOWN, UM, AND THAT IT IS BEING RESTORED FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM EVEN TAKING US BACK TO USING THE LITTLE, UM, PICTURE GOGGLES TO FIGURE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, THE ENGAGEMENT OF LETTING PEOPLE COME INSIDE.

UM, I, I CAN SEE THIS BEING SUCH AN AMAZING PLACE AND ESPECIALLY FOR OUR CHILDREN WHO ARE, WE ARE JUST NOW GETTING BACK INTO THE ARTS.

THE ARTS WERE TAKEN FROM OUR CHILDREN AND IT WORKING IN SISONS WITH MARTIN LUTHER KING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, WELL ACADEMY NOW.

IT IS, UH, I HOPE THAT IT SPARKS MARTIN LUTHER KING TO BE THAT DISTRICT THAT IS THE DOWNTOWN OF SOUTH DALLAS.

AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THAT DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE KNOW IT AS.

UM, I DON'T EVEN RECOMMEND COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON MARTIN LUTHER KING BECAUSE THAT'S GOING DOWNTOWN.

UM, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING RELATED TO THAT.

SO THIS HAS, WITH EVERY PART OF YOU ALL DIDN'T JUST CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WAS IN PROXIMITY.

YOU ALL REALLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS IS WHERE WE GO TO GO DO BUSINESS.

MOST OF THE MAJOR BUSINESSES IS ON MARTIN LUTHER KING.

UM, WHEN MY MOTHER HAD TO GO TO THE DOCTOR, WE WERE KIDS.

WE HAD TO GO ON THE BUS AND GO UP TO MARTIN LUTHER KING.

UM, SO WE, I HOPE THAT THIS, UM, STAPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN HERE THROUGH SEVERAL LEGACY AND DECADES.

MATTER OF FACT, WHEN I DID, UM, WHEN I DID ONE OF MY, UM, IN MY STORY BUILDING MAP LAST SEMESTER IN SCHOOL, I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND HOW SOUTH DALLAS BROKE DOWN INTO THREE AREAS.

UM, BUT I HOPE THIS SPARKS, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

I THINK, UM, THE, FOR FOREST FORWARD, UH, FOUNDATION, DEEP, UM, ST.

PHILIPS CORNERSTONE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HOW THIS WE'RE WORKING IN ANCE AND EVEN THE ISD, HOW WE CAN CHANGE OUR COMMUNITIES FROM WITHIN AND TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR.

AND SO HOPEFULLY THIS SPARKS DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT.

AND I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON COLONIAL HILLS, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS NOT, IS NOT TO HARM, BUT TO HELP THOSE OLDER BUILDINGS IN SOUTH DALLAS TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

AND THEY HAVE BEEN LEFT VACANT BECAUSE OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN SO MANY AREAS THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ALLOWS THESE BUILDINGS TO DIE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE PROPER, PROPER, UH, PARKING AND THEY WERE LANDLOCKED AND COULD NOT PURCHASE ADDITIONAL PARKING.

SO THIS IS TO HELP PD 5 95 HELP US GROW AT, UH, A, UH, AND, AND BECOME WHAT WE ARE.

WE ARE THE ISLAND WITHIN THE CITY.

HIS LEGACY TO HIM AND HIS VISION AND HIS ABILITY TO INTEGRATE THAT THEATER.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

YEAH, I KNOW EVERYBODY KNOW I'M ABOUT TO MAKE A SPEECH, BUT IT'S OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU, UM, FOR COMING ESPECIALLY, UM, MS. WILLIE COLEMAN, WHO'S A VERY A MAYOR.

THE MAYOR , UM, IN HER YEARS OF SERVICE, I I AM, UH, COLD, NERVOUS, AND EMOTIONAL, SO BEAR WITH ME.

UM, I WANNA START BY THINKING, UM, THE CREATOR OF THESE BEAUTIFUL, UM, THEATERS, CARL HAZEL, THE FOREST THEATER, OWES MUCH OF

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UM, BLACK PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER MOST OF THE THEATERS IN THE CITY, AND AT SOME POINT HE ALLOWED THEM TO SIT IN THE BALCONIES, RIGHT? GOTTA TAKE WHAT YOU CAN GET.

UM, AND AS THE WHITE FLIGHT CAME IN, TOOK OVER A THOUSAND HOMES AWAY AND WHITE FLIGHT, UM, LEFT THE THEATER, ABANDONED DESEGREGATION, SAVED THE THEATER, UM, EACH TIME SOUTH DALLAS'S, BLACK RESIDENCES WHO WERE STRUGGLING SAVED A VERY LARGE HISTORICAL, UM, UM, ASPECT OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT, THAT, UH, SHOULD BE, UM, UM, AWARDED.

UM, WE'VE HAD ACTORS LIKE SIDNEY PORTIER, UM, MUSICIANS, JIMI HENDRIX, BB KING, TINA TURNER, RAY HALLS, THE LIST GOES ON.

THEY COULDN'T EVEN STAY IN THE HOTEL DOWNTOWN.

THEY HAD TO STAY AT THE Y AT THE, THAT WE JUST APPROVED A RE RECONSIDERATION UP FOR.

UM, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT OVER TIME I KEEP NOTICING THAT THE BUILDINGS IN PLACES THAT INTEGRATED IN THIS GREAT CITY ARE STILL BEING PUNISHED TODAY.

THE DECISION TO GIVE THE ZONING AND MAKE THIS CHANGE CHANGES THAT FOR OUR CITY.

AND I HOPE THAT IT STARTS A TRICKLE EFFECT DOWN THE LINE OF SAVING THESE GREAT PLACES.

UM, THE MAJESTIC THEATER BECAME OUR THEATER.

MR. HAZEL MADE SURE OF IT, HE SUFFERED FOR IT, BUT HE KEPT WITH IT.

HE THEN DOUBLED DOWN AND CREATED HAMILTON PARK, RIGHT? UM, THESE ARE, THESE WERE PEOPLE IN THE FORTIES, FIFTIES, SIXTIES, WHO REALLY, UH, UM, MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE, UH, IN, IN ME COMING TO THIS CITY AFTER HURRICANE KATRINA AND, AND MAKING IT HOME.

UM, SO THANK YOU GUYS.

UH, WE'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

[9. 24-1173 An application for 1) a Planned Development District for MU-2 Mixed Use District uses; and 2) the termination of deed restrictions as amended [Z72-269] on property zoned a GO(A) General Office District, on the south line of LBJ Freeway, between Noel Road and Montfort Drive. Staff Recommendation: 1) Approval subject to a revised development plan and conditions; and 2) approval of the termination of deed restrictions as amended [Z72-269] as volunteered by the applicant. Applicant: LBJ Financial Owner, LLC Representative: Tommy Mann, Winstead PC Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 13 Z223-305(MB) ]

WE WILL MOVE TO OUR LAST ZONING CASE NUMBER NINE.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBEN CAN STEP BACK INTO THE CHAMBER.

YEAH, I FORGOT.

IT'S NOT THE SAME.

THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS ITEM NINE, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 5.

AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT USES.

AND TWO, THE TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS AS AMENDED Z SEVEN TWO DASH 2 69 ON PROPERTY ZONE TO GOA GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF LBJ FREEWAY BETWEEN NOEL ROAD AND MONTFORD DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ONE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS BRIEFED AND CONDITIONS, AND TWO, APPROVAL OF DETERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS AS AMENDED Z SEVEN TWO DASH 2 69 AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.

I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

SHORTAGE THAT WE EXPERIENCE.

OKAY, TOMMY MAY 500 WINSTEAD BUILDING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT IN THIS REQUEST.

I'M GONNA GIVE KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE REQUEST.

TRY TO RESPOND TO A BIT OF THE BRIEFING.

AND THEN MR. HICKMAN FROM TRAMMELL CROW COMPANY WILL TALK A BIT MORE ABOUT THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF THE PROJECT.

THIS IS A SITE THAT ZONED GENERAL OFFICE.

I COULD PROBABLY MAKE A CASE THAT THE EXISTENCE OF THE GENERAL OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT ITSELF IS OBSOLETE AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS SORT OF THE QUINTESSENTIAL EXAMPLE OF WHAT POST PANDEMIC, UH, OFFICE USERS ARE NOT ATTRACTED TO ANY LONGER, UH, SINGLE BUILT OFFICE USE RIGHT ON A HIGHWAY UNAM, AMENITIZED, AND THEREFORE THE BUILDINGS ARE VACANT.

FUNDAMENTALLY, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CONVERTED TO A RESIDENTIAL USE.

WHAT'S EXCITING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONVERSION OF OFFICE BUILDINGS TO RESIDENTIAL.

SOME OF IT'S HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN AS A WAY TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM I MENTIONED WITH THE OFFICE AND ALSO ADDRESS THE HOUSING

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WE'RE DOING THE ACTUAL WORK OF IT HERE, AND IT'S COMPLICATED, UH, AND IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT WE THINK WE HAVE A SITE WHERE IT WORKS.

SPECIFICALLY AS YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, WE HAVE AN EXISTING 10 STORY OFFICE BUILDING IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE THAT WE, WE HAVE DILIGENCED DEEPLY AND BELIEVE WE CAN KEEP.

THAT IS EXCITING FOR A LOT OF REASONS, ONE OF WHICH IS STEEL AND FRAME CON STEEL CONSTRUCTION IN THIS AREA DOES NOT HAVE WRENCH THAT WOULD SUPPORT A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING OF THIS SIZE.

BUT BECAUSE IT ALREADY EXISTS, WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING PRETTY UNIQUE FOR THIS AREA OF TOWN.

WE HAVE AN EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH HELPS A LOT WITH THE ABILITY TO CONVERT THIS BUILDING, THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SIDE.

KEVIN CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY THEY'RE NOT FEASIBLE, BUT WE GET TO PRESERVE A FUNDAMENTAL ASPECTS OF THIS SITE AND CREATE A HOUSING OPTION THAT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST IN THIS PART OF TOWN.

THAT GOES TO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOUR DISCUSSION WAS IN THE BRIEFING, WHICH I'LL SAY IS UNLIKE IN A BRIEFING I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN MY CAREER WHERE YOU ALL WERE DEBATING WHETHER WE ASKED FOR ENOUGH.

UM, THE REALITY IS THAT WE PLANNED A ZONING CASE AROUND A PLANNED PROJECT.

AND THE PLANNED PROJECT IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO YOU TODAY.

UM, WE COULDN'T BUILD TWO MORE TOWERS IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND FINANCE THEM AND, AND RENT THEM TODAY MIGHT THINK COULD BE BUILT 20 OR 30 YEARS IN THE FUTURE.

I THINK THAT'S A WONDERFUL POSSIBILITY, BUT WE WOULD SUBMIT THAT.

LET'S, IF WE ALL AGREE THIS IS A GOOD LAND USE AND A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, LET'S TAKE THAT STEP TODAY AND BEGIN THIS PROCESS.

AND IF THE AREA OF EVOLVES OVER TIME TO MEET THOSE THINGS, THEN WE AGREE AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO BE BACK HERE, UH, ASKING FOR MORE HEIGHT ON THESE BUILDINGS.

SO SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE CAN'T CONVERT IT, KEVIN'S GONNA GET INTO, UH, THE TWO SMALLER BUILDINGS AND SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE CAN CONVERT THE EXISTING TALL BUILDING IN THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

AND THEN, UH, AFTER THAT, WE'LL BOTH BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

THANKS.

THANKS TOMMY.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS KEVIN HICKMAN, 94 74 GATESVILLE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

UH, I'M WITH TRAMMELL CROW COMPANY.

WE ARE A, UH, 75-YEAR-OLD COMPANY, BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR, UH, IN DALLAS, UH, THAT WHOLE TIME.

WE ARE A WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF, UH, CBRE, WHO'S HEADQUARTERED IN DALLAS AS WELL.

UM, HERE'S SOME OF THE REPRESENTATIVE PROJECTS THAT, UH, WE HAVE DONE HERE IN DALLAS, AS WELL AS SOME SUBURBAN AREAS, UH, ACROSS THE AREA.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, ALONG LBJ HERE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, FIXING A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, TAKING AWAY OBSOLETE OFFICE BUILDING, UH, WITH REAL REALLY LOW TAX, UH, TAXABLE VALUE.

UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO CREATING QUALITY HOUSING, UH, WITHIN AN ADAPTIVE REUSE AND MAKING A SIGNIFICANT REINVESTMENT IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS MUCH NEEDED.

UH, AS WE KIND OF FORMULATED THIS CONCEPT PLAN AND REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, REALLY WE WANTED TO REALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS.

YOU SAW SOME OF THE VIEWS ON AN EARLIER SLIDE HAD REALLY, UM, POOR VIEWS INTO THE GARAGE.

AND SO WE WANTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD SCREEN THE GARAGE.

UH, OBVIOUSLY LBJ AND THE SERVICE ROAD AND NOISE COMING OFF IT, WE WANTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD BEST SCREEN THAT AREA AS WELL, UM, AND REALLY IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND ENHANCEMENT.

AND HOW CAN WE CREATE, YOU KNOW, THIS USABLE, FUNCTIONAL, OPEN SPACE THAT'S RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY OF LBJ.

AND SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE THAT.

UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALL ALONG LBJ AROUND MY HAND.

WE'VE CREATED A NICE, UH, ENTRY POINT THAT, UH, REALLY IS ENHANCED, UH, FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS AND COME IN AND EXPERIENCE.

UH, WE'VE CREATED THIS LINEAR PARK THAT'S REALLY BUFFERED FROM LBJ AND WE'VE REALLY LINED THE GARAGE WITH UNITS WHERE WE COULD.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA CREATE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UH, ON THE ADJACENT, UH, GARAGE AREAS.

WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT SCREENING THOSE WITH THE UNITS.

UH, OBVIOUSLY AS I MENTIONED, SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOP REINVESTMENT IN THIS AREA, UM, OVER $300 MILLION REDEVELOPMENT COST.

SO, UH, HERE'S SOME VISUALS, UM, HERE.

SO HERE'S THE ENTRY, UH, INTO THAT 10 STORY RESIDENTIAL.

UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS 10 STORY BUILDING, AND SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO PULL SKIN OFF AND, UH, REALLY ENHANCE THAT ENTRY, UH, FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS.

THIS IS GONNA HOUSE OUR LEASING AND AMEN AMENITY SPACE.

UH, HERE'S A FRONTAGE VIEW FROM MONTFORT AND LBJ.

UM, AND THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A GOOD VISUAL OF, OF WHAT THIS PROJECT COULD BECOME, UH, WITH THE TENSOR TOWER KIND OF, UH, SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE HERE, UH, HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE ARRIVAL COURT.

UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS IS AN OLD RENDERING.

IT DID HAVE THAT ENTRY INTO THE GARAGE, SO PLEASE IGNORE THAT.

'CAUSE AS WE REMOVE THAT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, PIERCE DISCUSSION

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THIS MORNING.

SO I WILL PAUSE THERE AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.

YEAH, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ENTRY, THE, MAYBE A COUPLE SLIDES BACK.

THAT ONE? YES.

IS THAT WHITE CAR? IS THAT A PANAMERA? ? I DON'T KNOW.

IT LOOKS KINDA LIKE A PORSCHE.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S WHATEVER.

WD G'S UH, RENDERING SOFTWARE GENERATED.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I KNOW.

SORRY.

UM, MR. MANN, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ABOUT A, A, A PROJECT THAT I THINK IS A GREAT PROJECT, NOT THAT WE OUGHT TO PASS IT TODAY, BUT, UM, ON THE SITE PLANNING QUESTION WITH TEXDOT AND THE U-TURN LANE AND ALL THAT STUFF, WHAT, WHY DON'T YOUR ARCHITECTS JUST FLIP THE SITE PLAN, MIRROR IT AND MOVE THAT ENTRY COURT DOWN AND SO IT'S NOT A DEAD END CUL-DE-SAC COURT.

IT ACTUALLY WORKS.

WE MIGHT IS THE SHORT ANSWER, BUT THE REALITY IS THIS COMMENT CAME UP VERY LATE LAST WEEK.

WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH TEXDOT YESTERDAY.

UM, THIS IS, THIS IS AN EXISTING DRIVE, SO IT'S OUR ENGINEERS BELIEVE TEXDOT WOULD APPROVE IT.

BUT DID I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CURB CUT Y YES.

AND SO, BUT THE CITY ENGINEERING WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE BETWEEN NOW AND CITY COUNCIL THAT IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO FLIP THIS OVER HERE, THAT WE WOULD DO THAT.

BUT IT WON'T CHANGE.

I MEAN, THIS BUILDING'S NOT MOVING RIGHT.

'CAUSE IT EXISTS.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

UM, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF OUR ARCHITECTS SOLVING, YOU CAN SEE THE GEOMETRY THERE.

THE OVERALL UNIT MIX WOULDN'T CHANGE.

I MEAN, NOTHING WOULD CHANGE OTHER THAN A THAT LITTLE AREA OF THE PLAN.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING I I THINK YOU'D HAVE A BETTER PROJECT IF THAT THING WAS NOT AT DEAD END COURT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

IF IT HADN'T COME UP SO LATE IN THE GAME, WE MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IT WELL BEFORE WE GOT HERE TODAY, BUT IT IS WHAT IT'S OKAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS AND I, I HAVE COMMENTS WHEN WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

MR. MAN, IF, IF THE MAIN ENTRANCE ACCESS THEN TO THE GARAGE IS NO LONGER ON THE SERVICE ROAD, WHERE IS IT PROPOSED TO BE ON THIS? SO YOU CAN GET INTO THE GARAGE OFF OF NOEL AND OFF OF MOFFITT? BOTH, BOTH OF THEM ON EITHER SIDE? YEP.

AND WOULD FLIPPING THE DRIVE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE REMAINING BUILDING PUT YOU IN CHECK STOP DIFFICULTY WITH PROXIMITY TO NOEL? SO I DON'T THINK SO, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE ISSUE HERE WAS THE PROXIMITY OF THIS TO MONTFORT AND THE CONCERN THAT PEOPLE WOULD TRY TO GET ALL THE WAY ACROSS HERE TO DO THE TEXAS U-TURN AND GET BACK ON WESTBOUND LBJ.

OBVIOUSLY THIS GIVES YOU MORE DISTANCE IF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THAT MANEUVER.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ELIMINATING A CURB CUT THAT EXISTS RIGHT IN HERE TODAY, SO WE'RE IMPROVING THE SITUATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HALL? YEAH, MR. MR. MANN, YOU HEARD THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING AND YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN A LANDSCAPING PLAN EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THIS ILLUSTRATION.

CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THAT? I THINK THAT THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT OPEN SPACE AND IS IT AT GRADE AND IS IT CONTIGUOUS, IS WHAT I HEARD IN THE BRIEFING.

AND THE, THE FIRST PART OF THE ANSWER IS THAT ALL 65,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE OPEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY GRADE.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT EASIER HERE.

OBVIOUSLY THE PORTIONS IN THE COURTYARDS ARE NOT CONTIGUOUS, BUT THIS WHOLE EXPERIENCE HERE, UM, IS CONTIGUOUS AND AT GRADE AND INTENDED TO CREATE A KIND OF SECLUDED ENVIRONMENT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO ENJOY.

ON LBJ, OBVIOUSLY, ARE THOSE POOL AREAS CONNECTED TO THE CENTRAL PART BY BREEZEWAY OR, SO THERE'S UNITS IN THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING, BUT CERTAINLY PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE CAN WALK THROUGH THE HALLWAYS OF THE BUILDING AND GET OUT INTO THESE AREAS.

YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING.

THIS WON'T BE A PUBLIC ACCESS POINT, RIGHT? THIS WILL BE INTO PEOPLE'S UNITS.

BUT THIS WHOLE AREA OUT HERE, IF YOU'RE COMING TO TOUR A UNIT, DROP SOMETHING OFF, THIS IS ALL GONNA BE OPEN WHEN YOU PULL IN AND YOU SHOW A LOT OF TREES OR ST.

SHRUBBERY HERE, THERE'S, THERE'S EXISTING TREES RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE OR NOT, BUT YOU'RE SHOWING A LOT OF, UH, GREENERY HERE.

MAKE IT PLEASANT AND PEACEFUL ENOUGH FOR OVER 700 HOUSEHOLDS TO MOVE IN.

AND YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO STICK TO THAT, UH, PLAN.

WE'VE GOTTA TRY AND TAKE A SITE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY RIGHT ON AND EXTREMELY BUSY INTERSTATE AND

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UM, SO YES, WE'RE TRYING TO JAM IN THE TREES AND THE SOFTENING AND THE LANDSCAPE EVERYWHERE WE CAN.

IT ALL VASTLY EXCEEDS ARTICLE 10, BUT THERE WAS NO NEED FOR US TO REQUEST VARIANCE FROM ARTICLE 10 TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE'RE AIMING TO DO HERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.

COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO CHAIR, AND I'LL JUST MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT AFTERWARDS IF I MAY.

IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 2 3 3 0 5, I MOVED TO MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

DOES THAT INCLUDE TERMINATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS? OH, YES.

WHAT, UH, LET'S SEE.

THEY WANT, OH YES, WE, UH, TO, UH, ELIMINATE THE, THE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT.

AS, AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT? YES.

THAT WAS VOLUNTEERED BY YOU, MR. MANN, IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM.

UH, YES.

PART OF OUR, UH, REQUEST IS TO TERMINATE THE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS YOU, SIR, BECAUSE WE'VE INCORPORATED THEIR PROVISIONS INTO THE PD CONDITIONS.

AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND AND COMMISSIONER HALL, I ACTUALLY HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION AS WELL, PLEASE.

UM, WAS YOUR A, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR ITEM ONE SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS BRIEFED, UH, HERE TODAY BY STAFF? YES, IT SHOULD BE.

, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER HALL? OH, I JUST WANNA SAY, WHEN I FIRST, UH, HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND THEN WENT OUT AND TOOK A LOOK, I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED LIKE A GREAT IDEA.

UH, IT'S A VERY SAD AND DERELICT LOOKING SIGHT RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO IT.

UH, THERE'S NOBODY IN THE BUILDING.

IT'S, IT'S, AND THERE'S, UH, WINDOWS AND THINGS BOARDED UP.

SO, I MEAN, TO ME IT WAS RIPE FOR, FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SO I DO, I DO HOPE YOU ALL WILL SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT ADDS MUCH NEEDED RESIDENTIAL ALONG A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND THAT I'M SURE IT FITS INTO MANY OF CITY OF DALLAS PLANS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

UH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL.

I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT PROJECT AND A CREATIVE REUSE OF, OF A, OF A AGING, UH, OFFICE PROJECT.

NEVERTHELESS.

UM, I JUST THINK WE'VE LEFT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, OPPORTUNITY, UH, UNUSED TODAY.

UH, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED TO REDUCE THE SITE.

I I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED TO CAP THE UNITS.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST APPROVED AN ITEM EARLIER ON THE DOCKET, UH, ON LEMON AVENUE THAT HAD ABOUT A THREE AND A HALF FAR AND THIS ONE IS GONNA HIT MAYBE TWO, UH, ON A FREEWAY.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I WANNA MOVE THIS CASE FORWARD, BUT IF I HAD IT TO DO OVER AGAIN, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING MIXED INCOME HOUSING, UH, BONUS FOR THIS UNIT COUNT.

THAT WOULD BE A BASE UNIT COUNT OF 85 UNITS.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE WOULD JUST BE THINGS WE, WE KEEP SAYING WE HAVE A HOUSING PROBLEM, WE DON'T ACT LIKE IT.

SO, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A, A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

BUT, UH, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE BOLDER ABOUT, UH, CASES.

I MEAN, WE, WE FIGHT AND FIGHT AND FIGHT IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE THAT NEED TO GET DONE, AND THEN WE GET ONE ON A FREEWAY AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS WHAT WE'RE DOING ON LEMON AVENUE, IT'S JUST AN INCONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, SO WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE CONSISTENT.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THIS, UM, APPLICATION AS WELL.

I, AS I COMMENTED THE BRIEFING EARLIER TODAY, I, I ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THIS PROJECT BACK IN THE EARLY 1980S AND, UM, PROBABLY SHOWS I'VE BEEN AROUND TOO LONG WHEN, WHEN PROJECTS THAT I BUILT ARE, ARE BEING TORN DOWN AND REPURPOSED.

BUT, UH, I, I, I THINK MR. UH, MANN'S COMMENTARY ABOUT, UH, THE STATE OF THE OFFICE MARKET IS REALLY ON POINT.

IT, IT'S, UM, UM, I MEAN, THIS WAS ONCE A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT ON A DESIRABLE FREEWAY LOCATION.

AND, AND TO THINK THAT THE OFFICE MARKET IS IN SUCH SAD SHAPE NOW THAT, UH, THE BEST THING TO DO IS TEAR DOWN PARTS OF IT AND REPURPOSE IT.

I'M, I'M, I'M SURE THIS WON'T BE THE, THE LAST ONE OF THESE THAT WE'LL SEE.

UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE, UH, DEVELOPER FOR, UH, FINDING A VIABLE USE FOR WHAT'S NOW BECOME KIND OF AN OLD DOG.

AND, UM, IT INTERESTING.

I SAT IN A BOARD MEETING TWO DAYS AGO WITH, UH, MR. BARONS UP THERE IN THE AUDIENCE.

AND, UM, I, I HAD NO IDEA HE WAS DOING THIS PROJECT AND HE HAD NO IDEA THAT I'D BUILT IT 40 YEARS

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AGO.

SO IT'S, UH, JUST KIND OF INTERESTING.

UM, BUT I DO THINK, UH, THE REPURPOSING THIS FOR RESIDENTIAL MAKES, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO FURTHER COMPLIMENT THE DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR AGREEING TO ADD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ELEMENT AND A PROJECT THAT'S ACTUALLY A DOWN ZONING.

THAT'S, THAT'S A NEW ONE ON ME.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE OF IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY, UH, AN ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY ON THE, ON THE TIMES THAT WE LIVE IN TO SEE SUCH A THING GOING.

SO ANYWAY, I I THINK YOU GUYS DESERVE COMPLIMENTS FOR BEING CREATIVE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

YEAH, I WANNA ECHO COMMISSIONER SLIPPER'S COMMENTS.

I, I WOULD GLADLY GIVE THIS SITE A LOT MORE DENSITY, A LOT MORE, UM, ENTITLEMENTS IF YOU ASK FOR IT.

BUT YOU GUYS ARE SOPHISTICATED DEVELOPERS.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THIS REALM AND THIS IS WHAT THE PROJECT YOU WANNA DO.

I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT YOU.

I'M HAPPY TO HAVE MORE HOUSING AND, UM, I, WHILE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THIS COULD BRING, IT'S ALSO A GREAT REUSE OF EXISTING SITE AND SOME EXISTING STRUCTURES AND, UM, I HOPE THAT IT'S SUCCESSFUL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

WE'LL GO RIGHT AHEAD INTO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSIST OF CASES 10 THROUGH 16.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

[SUBDIVISION DOCKET: Consent Items]

THERE'S NO ONE HERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, ANDAL.

UH, TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF SEVEN ITEMS. ITEM 10 S TWO 12 DASH 1 91 R, ITEM 11 S 2 34 DASH 0 7 4, ITEM 12 S 2 34 DASH 0 7 5, ITEM 13 S 2 34 DASH 0 7 6, ITEM 14 S 2 34 DASH 0 7 7, ITEM 15 S 2 34 DASH 0 7 8, ITEM 16 S 2 34 DASH 0 7 9.

ITEM TWO LS 2 34 DASH 0 7 5 CONDITION NEEDS TO BE ADDED ON THE FINAL PLAT REMOVE 25 FEET PLATTERED BUILDING LINE ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SEXTON LANE AND 15 FEET PLATTERED BUILDING LINE ON THE EAST LINE OF MIDWAY ROAD.

ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR THE HEARING AT THIS TIME.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED ON THE HEARING.

YOU, UH, CAN YOU REPEAT THE, THE CASE NUMBER THAT YOU ADDED? THE CONDITION THAT IS CASE NUMBER, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO LS 2 3 4 DASH SEVEN FIVE.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NUMBER 12, ITEM NUMBER 12, CONDITION ADDED.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? THERE IS NO ONE HERE.

I'M ASSUMING ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS ARE IN SUPPORT.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY IN OPPOSITION COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS? MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

JUST ONE QUESTION.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE, UH, FOR MS. SHARMA.

FOR MR. MOORE.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UM, RESIDENTIAL ZONING CASES THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO, UM, WHETHER, HOW, WHY THOSE ARE NOT CONSIDERED AS PART OF OUR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION DOCKET? UM, I'M TRYING TO MEANING LIKE A RESIDENTIAL PL CORRECT AND MR. MORBY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER.

THERE'S ONLY ONE, TWO OF THEM LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FULLY NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF AN EXISTING AREA, WHICH WOULD BE ITEM 1416, I BELIEVE IT'S 16.

YES MA'AM.

UM, THAT'S, UH, CREATED FROM A TRACK OF LAND.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, SUB OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED WITH THE DOCKET OR AS IN OKAY, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH ITEM 12 S 2 3 4 0 7 5 AS, UM, AMENDED.

SO YOU, SO YOU INCLUDED THE AREAS, SO IT WOULD BE AT THIS BODY'S DETERMINATION IF IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, MY, UM, STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, YES, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ANY OF THESE ITEMS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER RUBEN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA, I MOVE THAT WE

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH AT THE PODIUM.

IT TAKES US TO OUR SIGNS.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT,

[Certificate of Appropriateness for Signs: Consent Items]

UH, COMMISSIONERS OATH ARE ON UNDER A CONSENT AGENDA, BUT CASE 17 THROUGH 20.

UM, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, UM, PLEASE.

17 THROUGH 19 IF WE COULD HEAR INDIVIDUALLY.

20 CAN REMAIN ON CONSENT.

OKAY, PERFECT.

WE'LL DO THAT.

UH, LET'S GET 20 TO, UH, 3 23 RIGHT IN.

WE'LL DISPOSE OF THOSE, THOSE AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO MR. POOL.

CAN WE READ THOSE IN? CAN ANYBODY READ THEM IN THREE? ITEM NUMBER 20 24 0 1 1 7 0 0 1 0.

AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY BENJAMIN HAMPTON OF BARRETT SIGNS INC.

FOR A 194 SQUARE FOOT NON ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 24 25 CANTON STREET, SOUTHEAST.

SALVATION ITEM 21 24 0 1 1 7 0 0 1 3.

AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR TOMMY MCMILLAN OF ENVIRONMENTAL SIGNAGE D-B-A-A-S-I MOD X FOR A 60 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED DETACHED SIGN AT 28 28 RUTH STREET, SUITE ONE 30 RUTH STREET, FRONTAGE ITEM 22 24 0 2 1 6 0 0 1 0.

AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR BENJAMIN HAMPTON OF BAR SIGNS INC.

FOR TWO ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE 0.25 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 9 0 3 SALCOMBE ROAD, NORTH NORTHWEST ELEVATION AND ITEM 23 2 4 0 2 1 6 0 0 2 1.

AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE ISSUE.

BENJAMIN HAMPTON BARRED SIGNS FOR A FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR HUNDRED AND FORTY EIGHT 0.9 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED SIGN AT 9 0 3 SALCOMBE ROAD, SOUTHEAST ELEVATION STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL OF THOSE IS APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? COMMISSIONERS 20 THROUGH 23.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF THE CERTIFICATE OR APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGNS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 2223.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE PER STAFF AND S-S-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

MR. POOLE? GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

AND YOU OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES WILL GO BACK TO CASES

[Items 17 - 19 ]

17, 18 AND 19.

WE'LL BRIEF THOSE.

ONE MOMENT TO PULL UP THESE PRESENTATIONS.

UM, MI MR. POOLE, IF IT'S HELPFUL, UM, I THINK PERHAPS IF I COULD JUST ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST READ, READ THE FIRST ONE INTO THE RECORD, MR. POOLE, AND THEN WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A MOTION.

APPLICATION NUMBER 2 4 0 1 1 7 0 6

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IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY BENJAMIN HAMPTON OF BARNETT SIGNS INC.

FOR A 388 SQUARE FOOT EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED ATTACK SIGN AT 24 25 CANTON STREET ON THE NORTHWEST ELEVATION.

AND I, I DID HAVE A FEW OF THE SLIDES JUST IN CASE SOMEONE NEEDED TO SEE THOSE.

WELL, AND IF YOU'LL PAUSE RIGHT HERE, I THINK THIS WILL SPEAK TO DIRECTLY WHAT MY QUESTION WAS.

SO THE SIGN THAT IS ON THE, UM, LEFT HAND SIDE OF OUR SCREEN, THAT'S THE EXISTING SIGN THAT I THINK WAS CONSIDERED BY THIS BODY BACK IN 2022.

AND IS IT SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED TODAY? SO GIVEN THE, UH, THE COMBINATION OF THE OTHER SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED, UM, IT IS IN COMPARISON TO THE SIGN THAT THAT WAS APPROVED, IT IS A LARGER, UM, IN COMPARISON TO ALL THOSE SIGNS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY ON THAT ELEVATION, IT WOULD BE SMALLER.

AND IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE IS A, I'M GOING TO SAY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, FACING TOWARDS, UM, CANTON THAT THERE'S A SIMILAR SIGN? UM, THAT WAS ITEM 20 ON OUR J ON OUR, UM, DOCKET THIS AFTERNOON.

THAT'S, UM, ROUGHLY SIX FOOT THREE BY 31 FEET.

SO 194 VERSUS THE 388 SQUARE FEET THAT THIS SIGN IS? YES.

THAT'S OUR OPPOSITE FRONTAGE.

AND IF YOU'LL STAY HERE FOR ONE MINUTE, 'CAUSE I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE NEXT TWO ON OUR DOCKET, WHICH ARE THE SIGNS THAT ARE FACING BOTH FARMER'S MARKET AND DEEP ELLUM THAT ARE ON THAT TOWER CORNER TOWER ELEMENT.

UM, THOSE ARE EFFECTIVELY FILLING THE FULL FACE.

UM, DO YOU HAVE AN IMAGE OF WHAT THE EXISTING SIGN SIZE OR THE PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED FOR THOSE TWO ELEMENTS? THOSE TWO SIGNS? YES.

GIMME JUST ONE MOMENT.

OH, ACTUALLY, SORRY.

THEY'RE ALSO, I SEE 'EM, I SAW, I SAW THE BILLBOARD, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE RIGHT ABOVE THIS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AGAIN.

AND THAT'S, IS IT CORRECT THAT FARMER'S MARKET, UM, HAS BOTH ITS OWN PD THAT SPEAKS TO ITS ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND THEN THE SIGN ORDINANCE, WHICH IS MEANT TO FOLLOW AND STRENGTHEN THAT, THAT IDENTITY? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND, AND THERE'S RESIDENTIAL AS MUCH AS THIS IS, YOU'D LOOK AT A MAP AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF FREEWAY ADJACENCIES.

THERE'S ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL, UM, THAT IS DEVELOPING ON THE, UM, EAST SIDE OF IT THAT EXISTS ON THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE.

AND THEN ON DEEP ELLUM SIDE, WE HAVE NEW RESIDENTIAL COMING IN.

THERE'S A DOG PARK, UM, THAT'S JUST ADJACENT TO THIS.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND TRANSFORMATION THAT'S GOING INTO THIS AREA, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

THERE'S EXISTING, UH, MULTIFAMILY AND TOWNHOUSES TO THE, THE SOUTH.

AGAIN, YOU POINTED OUT TO THE, THE SOUTHWEST, THERE WAS A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN A DOG PARK UP HERE TO THE, THE NORTHEAST.

SO, SO YES, THERE IS.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR MULTIFAMILY RIGHT, AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR NEW, UM, PARK THAT'S JUST OPENED, UM, JUST NORTH, JUST OFF THIS AERIAL VIEW.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION THEN? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

IN THE MATTER OF 2 4 0 1, SORRY, I HAD, SORRY.

THERE WE GO.

2 4 0 1 1 7 0 0 0 6.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING REVISION TO THE SIGN SIZE TO BE SIX FOOT THREE INCHES HIGH BY 31 FEET, TWO INCHES IN LENGTH, A MAXIMUM OF 194 SQUARE FEET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

I WILL SECOND IT.

ANY DISCUSSION? C NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

NUMBER 18, PLEASE.

IN THE MATTER OF 2 4 0 1 1 7 0 0 0 7.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING REVISION THAT THE SIGN SIZE TO ME.

PARDON ME, COMMISSIONER HENON, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF WE READ IT IN THE RECORD.

I'D HAVE AMNESIA.

I DON'T THINK WE DID.

I WILL PAUSE.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

I ITEM FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 2 4 0 1 1 7 0 0 0 7.

I WAS AHEAD OF NO, YOU'RE FINE.

MR. POOL, CAN WE GET YES.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY BENJAMIN HAMPTON OF BARNETT SIGNS INC.

FOR A 130 SQUARE FOOT EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 24 25 CANTON STREET.

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ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

IN THE MATTER OF 2 4 0 1 1 7 0 0 0 7, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST, UM, WITH A CHANGE IN THE SIZE TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 80 SQUARE FEET AND 18 FEET MAXIMUM LENGTH.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSIONS? SEE NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

NUMBER 19, ITEM 19, APPLICATION NUMBER 2 4 0 1 1 7 0 0 0 8.

AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY BENJAMIN HAMPTON OF BARNETT SIGNS INC.

FOR A 130 SQUARE FOOT EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 24 25 CANTON STREET ON THE SOUTHEAST ELEVATION.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS SEEN NONE.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF 2 4 0 1 1 7 0 0 0 8, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH A CHANGE IN THE SIZE TO A MAXIMUM OF, OF 80 SQUARE FEET AND A MAXIMUM LENGTH OF 18 FEET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND.

AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION COMMENTS, PLEASE.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION.

I'M GONNA GET AHEAD OF MS. PACINO.

THOSE SIGNS WERE ALL ILLUMINATED AS POSTED IN THE DOCKET.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SO MOVED.

THERE'S ONE MORE.

UH, UM, MR. UM, POOL, WE TOOK THE, UM, ITEM NUMBER 20 IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.

OH, MY APOLOGIES.

CAN I GET A MOTION TO HOLD A MINUTES TO OUR NEXT HEARING? SO MOVED TO HOLD THE MINUTES TO OUR MAY 2ND.

YOU DON'T WANT OH, OKAY.

MOVE IT A SECOND.

WE GO.

WE'RE DONE.

YEAH, WE DO HAVE TO HOLD A MINUTES.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

MAY 2ND HEARING.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.