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HEY, KEVIN, ARE[Community Police Oversight Board on April 9, 2024.]
WE GOOD TO START THE MEETING? YEAH.I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, TEXAS.
WE APPEAR, UH, TO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE BOARD, AND SO LET'S GET THIS MEETING STARTED.
THE OFFICIAL TIME OF THE MEETING START IS 5:44 PM THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC TRUST, UH, OF, OF COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES, AND, UH, AND ENSURE THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S A TRANSPARENT RELATIONSHIP.
AND THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP OUR MEETING PER OUR ADOPTED RULES WITH, UH, SPEAKERS OPEN FORUM, AND, UH, TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
AT THE START OF THIS MEETING, PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF THE CITY STAFF IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
WE HAVE THREE, UH, SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME.
AND, UH, THERE WILL ALSO BE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING THAT IF, UH, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THERE'LL BE A TIME AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND TO HAVE A HEALTHY, UM, DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ESTABLISH STRUCTURE AND HOW WE GAUGE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
SO WE WILL ADDRESS EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS AND, UH, AS WE ADDRESS EACH AND EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US.
SO, AT THIS TIME, WE DO HAVE THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, AS PER THE RULES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND, UH, THERE WILL BE SOME DISCRETION TO THE BOARD CHAIR IF NEEDED.
I'D LIKE TO CALL, UH, FIRST TO, UH, THE STAGE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME UP AND, UH, SHARE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
JAMES DID TELL ME THAT YOU DO HAVE THE HANDOUTS.
YOU HAVE A 17 PAGE HANDOUT, TWO OTHER HANDOUTS FROM OCR WITH THE QUERY BEING MY NAME ON THE, ON THE QUERY OF OCR.
THE LAST THREE COMPLAINTS SHOW THAT OF DALLAS LIBRARY.
CDS WERE STOLEN RIGHT ACROSS HERE.
DALLAS LIBRARY, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOUR BUILDING.
2019, MARCH 25TH THIS YEAR, WHAT? TWO WEEKS AGO, A USB WAS METHODICALLY TARGETED, STOLEN WITH YOUR EVIDENCE OF YOUR INTERNAL COVERUP.
I WANT YOU TO GET THE 17 PAGE HANDOUT.
PAGES ONE THROUGH FOUR WILL SHOW YOU THAT THERE WERE THREE CALLS BACK IN 2009.
THAT'S WHY I WAS AT THE MEETING OCTOBER 25TH, 2013, PREARRANGED BY MAYOR ROLLINS.
I WAS TAKEN TO GREEN OAKS OUTTA RETALIATION, INTIMIDATION TO SEND A MESSAGE TO ME.
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU SPEAK OF COVERUPS.
ON PAGE FOUR IS A SPRINT BILL.
FURTHER PROVEN THAT THERE WERE THREE CALLS MADE.
PAGE FIVE, IT SHOWS THAT CORPORAL COTNER CALLED FOR BACKUP TO TAKE ME.
THIS INCIDENT DETAIL REPORT WILL SHOW THAT IT WAS TWO HOUR PLUS MEETING.
IT WAS ONLY FIVE, FIVE MINUTE VIDEO CLIPS RELEASED.
TWO OF THOSE FIVE MINUTE VIDEO CLIPS WERE THE SAME WITH DIFFERENT TIMESTAMPS.
MS. MCCLARY, OUTGOING CHAIR, WHO, UH, I THINK MS. CHANDLER TOOK HER PLACE.
SHE ABSOLUTELY KNOWS THERE WAS A COVERUP.
THAT'S WHY SHE KEPT THE BLUE AND GREEN CD THAT MS. TAYLOR WOODS FOUND IN THE DRAWER THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY LEFT BY SERGEANT ANDERSON.
SERGEANT ANDERSON AND TAYLOR WOODS WAS BOTH SCAPEGOATS.
STAY WITH ME BECAUSE THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT WAS USED AGAINST MY FATHER IN INCAPACITATED ELDER CAUSING HIS DEMISE BEFORE HIS TIME.
STAY WITH ME ON THE SAME 17 PAGE HANDOUT.
I WANT YOU TO STAY ON PAGE FIVE.
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UNDER COMMENTS, IT SAYS, REQUESTED CASE NUMBER 0 2 7 3 2 9 1.I ACTUALLY TALKED TO THIS OPERATOR AND ASKED HER WHY WOULD SHE MAKE SUCH NOTES.
SHE SAID IT WAS UNUSUAL FOR AN OFFICER TO REQUEST A CERTAIN REPORT NUMBER BECAUSE USUALLY THEY CALL IN AND THEY SAY, I NEED A REPORT FOR WHATEVER IT IS, SHE SAID.
BUT SINCE HE ASKED FOR THIS PARTICULAR NUMBER, I GAVE IT TO HIM.
SO, WHEN YOU'RE IN MY SHOES, AND I'VE BEEN BATTLED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS AND DALLAS COUNTY FOR OVER A DECADE, THEY CREATE FALSE, FABRICATED POLICE REPORTS, FABRICATED PHARMACEUTICAL RECORDS.
IT'S A LADY BY THE NAME OF MARY LOUIE THORN WHO TOLD ME THAT THERE WOULD BE A MEETING MAYOR ROLLS ARRANGED.
SHE SAID, BEHIND THE SCENES THERE WAS A RECORD AND A FILE ABOUT ME AND OTHERS COULD BE TRUE.
THAT IT WAS A PHARMACEUTICAL RECORD FROM 2009 UNTIL 2013 STATING THAT I, I TOOK BIPOLAR MEDICINE FOR ALL THEM YEARS.
SO BEHIND THE SCENES, YOU CAN CREATE FRIVOLOUS FILES ON GOVERNMENT LETTERHEAD, GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT, PAPER, THANK YOU.
AND FILE IT IN GOVERNMENT SYSTEMS TO DESTROY PEOPLES.
MR. DIXON, I THANK YOU FOR BEING PROMPT.
I'VE CONTACTED THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AGAIN.
AND, UH, THANK YOU ALSO FOR SENDING THOSE DOCUMENTS OUR WAY.
I APPRECIATE THE ORGANIZATION YOU HAVE.
I THINK IT'S A CORRELATION OF SUICIDE.
FREAKING WHILE DRIVING LOW MORALE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE CITY A MUSIC MUNICIPALITY COMES, COMES UP.
CORRUPTION IS BAD FOR OFFICERS IN THE CITY.
YOU GOT IT, MS. MS. PHILLIPS APPRECIATE IT.
AND MS. PHILLIPS JUSTICE AND THE FBI SHOULD COME AND TURN CITY HALL UPSIDE THAT WE HEAR YOU.
APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR PRESENCE HERE.
AND JUST FOR THE MINUTES, I'M NOT MR. DIXON, MR. DAVIDSON.
I'LL, I'LL GO WITH THAT TONIGHT.
WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. PHILLIPS.
YOUR PRESENCE IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO US.
UH, NEXT, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I'D LIKE TO CALL, UH, TO THE MICROPHONE, ARLENE PEREZ MARINO.
AND, UH, AT YOUR, UH, FIRST WORD, I'LL START THE TIMER.
UH, THREE MINUTES IF POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, FOR BEING HERE, UH, TO THE BOARD.
WELL, BEFORE I START MY THREE MINUTES, I'D LIKE TO START THAT, UH, I STUTTER.
SO JUST GIMME A LITTLE TIME AND I'LL FOCUS.
I, UM, I'M HERE TO, BECAUSE ON AUGUST 15TH, I HAD TO CALL THE DALLAS NINE ONE ONE PD BECAUSE A TEXT AN OFFICER, UH, UH, HOLD ON.
A DETECTIVE THAT WAS ON MY CASE CAME AFTER ME.
I HAVE THE TEXT MESSAGES RIGHT HERE, IF I CAN PASS 'EM AROUND.
IT STARTED WITH TEXT MESSAGES.
AND THE TEXT MESSAGES SAID, I HAVE MADE SO BACK.
SHE WAS GONNA HAVE TO AND STOP THERE.
THEN HE SAYS, YOU, YOU ARE NOT MY ENEMY.
9 1 1 CAME, FIVE OFFICERS CAME TO MY HOUSE.
OFFICER GARCIA, WHO'S THE SERGEANT, I HAVE THE VIDEO RIGHT HERE.
UM, WHO, UM, I WAS IN THE LIVING ROOM.
UH, JUST SHOW HE TALKED TO THE OFFICER.
THE POLICEMAN IS LISTENING TO THIS.
AND THE DALLAS POLICE SAID, UHHUH, IT APPEARS.
SO, I DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THIS UNTIL JUST RECENTLY WHEN I GOT THE VIDEO, THE POLICE REPORT.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE VIDEO, THE POLICE REPORT, OUT OF ALL THOSE EVENTS, THE POLICE REPORT SAY NOTHING.
THE POLICE REPORT SAYS SHE'S FINE.
SO, 'CAUSE OF THAT, IT PREVENTED ME FROM GETTING A PROTECTIVE ORDER FROM THE DETECTIVE.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A VIDEO.
JUST RECENTLY, I WENT INTO A SHELTER FOR A YEAR.
MY ADDRESS WAS HIDDEN WHEN I WAS IN THE SHELTER.
I WENT TO GO SEEK A, A, A PROTECTIVE ORDER FROM THE DA.
I STUTTER 12 OFFICERS AROUND ME LIKE THIS.
I HAVE THE, I HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE MEDICAL RECORD WHERE THE DOCTOR SAYS, AND THEY TOOK ME TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL.
THE DOCTOR SAYS, UM, THE DOCTOR SAYS SHE SEES THE VIDEO.
SHE LET ME OUT WITHIN 30 MINUTES.
BUT NOW I HAVE A TORN SHOULDER.
I'VE ALREADY GONE TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS, BUT BECAUSE I STUTTER AND, UM, THEY WON'T LISTEN TO ME.
UH, LEMME SHOW YOU THE VIDEO NOW.
I'M JUST GONNA SHOW YOU A PART OF THE VIDEO 'CAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH.
I'VE TRIED TO GET TO EDDIE GARCIA.
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LEMME GET THE VIDEO.AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SEEKING FOR IS SOME HELP.
AND, UH, HE CALLS ME, UH, HE TELLS ME THAT IF I DON'T DROP THE CASE, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO KILL ME.
BUT I DON'T, I CAN'T GET ACROSS ANYBODY 'CAUSE I CAN'T GET IT OUT.
LET ME SHOW YOU THE VIDEO REAL QUICK.
UH, SHE'S REAL BUSY RIGHT NOW.
CAN I HAVE HER CALL YOU BACK, PLEASE? CAN I GET UP TO, OKAY, THANK YOU.
SO PUT IT DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR THE AUDIO ON THE MIC.
WHAT, WHAT DID SHE SAY? NO, SHE, SHE SAID, MS. ARLENE, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE.
AND, UH, ONE THING, ARE YOU IN CONTACT WITH OUR OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT? HAVE YOU BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE STAFF? HUH? HAVE YOU BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE STAFF? THE OFFICE OF, UH, POLICE OVERSIGHT? YES.
AND THEY HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION? UH, YES.
WELL, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM.
AND, UH, NUMBER ONE, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, UH, TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF, UH, A AN AUDIENCE LIKE THIS.
UH, IT TAKES COURAGE AND BRAVERY, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE SEEN AND YOU'RE HEARD, AND, UH, YOU'RE IMPORTANT TO US.
THIS BOARD, THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND, UH, WE WILL BE, WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THE OFFICE TO CONTACT YOU, AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT VIDEO SENT TO US AND, AND GO THROUGH THE CORRECT CHANNELS.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO CALL, UH, TO THE MICROPHONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
O ODELL OEL OEL DONALDSON, UH, DONALDSON.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE, UH, FOR THE COURAGE TO TELL, SHARE YOUR STORY AS, AS WITH EVERYONE ELSE.
UH, THE TIME ALLOTTED FOR THIS PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE THREE MINUTES.
AND, UH, AT YOUR FIRST WORD, I'LL START THE TIMER.
UH, FIRST OFF, HOW'S EVERYONE DOING? I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, MY NAME IS, UH, I'M ACTUALLY A PREACHER.
MY NAME IS REVEREND MOEL DAWSON.
AND I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT CASE, UH, 1 1 4 4 5 1.
UH, THAT HAPPENED ON 6 23 PERTAINING TO AN ARREST OF MY DAUGHTER, MARYLEE DAWSON, FOR AN ASSAULT.
AND, UH, AND HER RELEASED AN ATTACKERS WHOM THEY HAD BEEN ISSUED A WARRANT.
ONE OF 'EM HAD BEEN ISSUED A WARRANT, HAD A WARRANT OUT FOR ARREST, AND THEY LET THEM GO.
ON 6 23, MY DAUGHTER CALLED ME AND STATED THAT, UH, SHE HAD SOME PEOPLE LIVING WITH HER, AND SHE LET 'EM LIVE WITH SOME FRIENDS.
BUT THEY ENDED UP, WHEN SHE TOLD 'EM TO LEAVE, THEY ENDED UP JUMPING ON HER.
BUT THE OFFICER CAME AND I GOT THERE TO HEAR ALL THIS.
ONE OF THE SUPERIOR OFFICERS TOLD ME, I THINK HIS NAME IS OFFICER LEACH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, TOLD ME.
AND I ASKED A QUESTION WHETHER BOTH PARTIES, UH, FILE A COMPLAINT, WILL THEY GO TO JAIL? HE SAID, QUOTE, IF BOTH PARTIES FILE A COMPLAINT, THEN THEY BOTH GO TO JAIL.
IF THEY DON'T, THEN NEITHER ONE OF 'EM.
BUT ANYHOW, AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT THEY CONSUME OR HUDDLED UP, RATHER, TO ARREST MY DAUGHTER AND TAKE HER TO JAIL.
IN THE COMPLAINT, IT STATES THAT THE COMPLAINANT SAID THAT MY DAUGHTER HAD WHOOPED HER WITH AN EXTENSION CARD.
NOW, WHO GONNA LET A GROWN PERSON WHOOP THEM WITH AN EXTENSION CORD AND LIVE WITH THEM FOR FIVE MONTHS? THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.
THEY LIED TO GET MY DAUGHTER THE SAME PERSON THAT HAD THE WARRANT OUT FOR ARREST IN DEN COUNTY, WHICH I BROUGHT EVIDENCE TO DETECTIVE DWAYNE DOWNTOWN AT THE DPD OFFICE.
ALL THE PICTURES THAT THEY ABUSED MY DAUGHTER, AND ALL THE PICTURES THEY SHOWED HER WHERE SHE GOT CUSSING BRUISE ON THERE, THEY DIDN'T DO RIGHT BY HER.
JUSTIFY HER AND LETTING HER ATTACK US GO WHILE SHE SUFFERED.
AND IN DEPRESSION RIGHT NOW, FROM ALL OF THAT, DURING THAT TIME, I ASKED THE OFFICER, MERCEDES, WHY ARE Y'ALL ARRESTING MY DAUGHTER? HE TOLD ME THAT, UH, WE ARRESTING HER BECAUSE OF HER, HER AGGRESSION.
I SAID, WELL, I WANT ALL OF Y'ALL TELEPHONE, ALL OF Y'ALL NUMBERS AND BADGE NUMBERS AND NAMES.
HE TOLD ME, IF I GIVE Y'ALL, IF I GIVE YOU MY BADGE NUMBER, EVERYBODY BADGE NUMBER OUT HERE, WILL YOU LEAVE? THAT'S A BRIBERY.
SO I WENT TO NANCY JONES, COMPLAINED TO HER.
SHE CAME BACK AND TOLD ME WHEN I WENT DOWN THERE, I ASKED HER, I SAID, IT'S ON THE VIDEO CAM, BODY CAM, WHAT HE SAID.
I SAID, WELL, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE OFFICER? HE VIOLATED MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.
HE TRIED TO BRIBE ME TO LEAVE AND I WOULDN'T LEAVE.
HE GAVE ME THE OFFICER'S NAME,
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EVERYBODY'S NAME, BUT IT WAS OUTTA BRIBERY THAT HE DID THAT.SO SHE SAID, WELL, UH, I TALKED TO HIM.
SHE SAID, I SAID, WHAT HAPPENED? HE SAID, HE DIDN'T WANNA ARREST YOU.
I SAID, HE COULDN'T ARREST ME ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT, HAVE A RIGHT TO FREEDOM SPEECH.
AT THAT TIME, HE NEVER GOT REPRIMANDED, NEVER.
SO AT THAT TIME, AND I SAID, OKAY.
SHE CAME, SHE SENT ME AN EMAIL, WHICH THE DOCUMENTATIONS WITH, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY OFFICER HAVE, WHICH ALSO DWAYNE, DETECTIVE WAYNE HAS IT JUST AS WELL PICTURES THE WARRANT THAT WAS ISSUED FOR THIS LADY'S ARREST DURING THE TIME THAT SHE WAS LIVING.
THEY LET A KNOWN FELON LEAVE AND ARREST MY DAUGHTER.
SO HE TURNED, SHE TURNED AROUND AND TOLD ME I NEED TO FILE THROUGH OCP.
OH, MY, LET IT GO OUTTA STATUTE LIMITATION.
TOLD ME THAT THESE MEETINGS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE 10TH OF EVERY MONTH.
AND HERE I AM IS ON THE NINTH.
SO HOW IS IT ON THE 10TH? AND I'M ON, IT'S ON THE NINTH.
SHE MISLED ME FOR SIX MONTHS AND LET MY CASE, I'M SORRY.
OUT, OUT OF STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.
THEREFORE, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
WHICH MADE THAT ONE CASE, THE INCIDENT REPORT.
YOU, YOU'RE, AND I'M HERE TO SEEK JUSTICE FOR MYSELF AND MY DAUGHTER FOR SURE.
AND WHAT HAPPENED, AND LET THEM KNOWN ATTACKERS GO.
WELL, REST ASSURED, LIE ON THERE.
REST ASSURED, YOUR STORY HAS BEEN HEARD TODAY.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR BRAVERY TO BE HERE AND YOUR COURAGE.
AND, UH, I APOLOGIZE ON THE PATH OF THE OFFICE FOR THE DELAY OF MISINFORMATION AND, UM, THE DELAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, A GREAT TEAM RIGHT NOW IN THE OFFICE, HARDWORKING INDIVIDUALS, AND I IMAGINE THEY'LL, UH, BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
WE HAVE ONE MORE PERSON, UH, THAT'S SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO INVITE TO THE MICROPHONE, UH, CRYSTAL BATES.
CRYSTAL BATES, UH, WELCOME TO THE MEETING TODAY.
UH, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
AND, UH, AS WITH THE PRIOR SPEAKERS TODAY, I'LL BE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THREE MINUTES.
UH, AND WE APPRECIATE AGAIN YOUR TIME.
I'LL, I'LL BEGIN THAT TIMER, UH, WHEN YOU FEEL READY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
UM, LAST NIGHT WHILE SENDING IT HOME, I SAW THE VIDEO OF WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. LANE.
I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CROHN'S DISEASE AT THE AGE OF 10.
SEVERAL TIMES I'VE HAD WOUNDS ON MY LEG.
2016, I WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL.
THEY REMOVED TWO THIRDS OF MY INTESTINES, WHICH CHANGED MY LIFE FOREVER.
JUST PAST NOVEMBER, WELL, NOVEMBER 26, UH, 22.
UM, I'D BEEN DEALING WITH PAIN FOR A YEAR AND ENDED UP WITH A PARALYZED ARM.
AND I HAD TO HAVE A MAJOR SURGERY ON MY NECK.
WHEN I SAW THAT VIDEO, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ME, JUST LIKE MR. LANE.
I DO NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH.
I DO NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH.
AND TO SEE THAT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN ME DEALING WITH CROHN'S DISEASE, OFTENTIMES I DON'T HAVE MINUTES TO GET TO A RESTROOM.
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ME, CHIEF GARCIA.
WE HAD PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THIS WORLD HERE YESTERDAY.
IT BROKE MY HEART TO ALSO THINK THAT ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE COULD HAVE HAD THE SAME CONDITIONS AND NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT THEY WERE GOING THROUGH, AND HAD BEEN DENIED ACCESS TO A RESTROOM.
WE REPRESENT NOT ONLY, UM, YOU REPRESENT THE, THE ENTIRE CITY.
MS. BAYES, PLEASE JUST ADDRESS ME IF POSSIBLE.
WE, WE REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY.
AND IT JUST WAS AN EMBARRASSMENT.
I THINK OFFICERS SHOULD ALSO HAVE, YOU ARE A PUBLIC SERVANT.
TO SIT AND WATCH A PUBLIC SERVANT THINK IT WAS FUNNY, LAUGHING AT SOMEONE'S DISABILITY AND WHAT HAS OCCURRED AND DID NOT GIVE THEM, DID NOT HEAR THEM OUT.
IT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE IN ANY SITUATION.
SO THAT JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED TO HIM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ME.
AND THEN TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHAT I'M PRIVATELY DEALING WITH, WITH MY HEALTH.
SO I WANTED TO COME DOWN AND I PRAY THAT THIS BODY AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S IN THE SOUND OF MY VOICE, THAT WE SET A STANDARD FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR CITY.
BECAUSE IT REFLECTS THE WHOLE CITY.
IT DOESN'T REFLECT JUST THOSE OFFICERS.
IT DOESN'T REFLECT JUST THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT REFLECTS THE WHOLE REGION THAT WE WOULD ALLOW THAT TO BE ACCEPTABLE.
SO IF WE ALLOW PASS HERE, WHAT OTHER OFFICER IS GONNA THINK THAT
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THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO THINK IS FUNNY, AND TO DENY SOMEBODY THE SIMPLE ACCESS TO A RESTROOM.HE DIDN'T, HE ASKED TO USE THE RESTROOM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. BATES, FOR BEING HERE.
THAT'S ALL THE, THAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
BUT AS YOU GUYS CAN TELL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, UH, NOMINATED BY, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IF ANYONE IS ONLINE OR IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THREE MINUTES, THERE WILL BE TIME ALLOTTED AT THE END OF THE MEETING FOR YOU TO SHARE AS WELL.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, PLEASE CONTACT THE, THE OFFICE AND, UH, WE'LL MAKE TIME AT THE VERY END FOR THAT PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN BY TAKING ROLE OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
AND, UH, WE'LL GO DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
AND IF YOU'RE HERE, UH, GREAT TO HEAR, UM, SAY THAT YOU'RE PRESENT.
UH, TODAY'S FOR TODAY'S MEETING, WE'LL GO, UH, DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
ALLISON TER ALLEN FOR DISTRICT NINE.
DISTRICT 10 IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14 PRESENT.
AND I'M JOHN MARK DAVIDSON REPRESENTING DISTRICT 15.
AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
SO IF YOU COULD TAKE A MOMENT AND REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.
AND WHEN SOMEONE FEELS READY, I ASK FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MEETINGS FROM THE MARCH MEETING.
THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH MEETING.
JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES IN MARCH? AYE.
THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AS YOU CAN TELL, UH, WE HAVE SOME VIPS AMONG US TODAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVERY DAY.
WE HAVE, UH, A CITY MANAGER AMONG US, POLICE CHIEF.
AND, UH, IF POSSIBLE, I'D, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, A BOARD MEMBER FOR A MOTION, UH, TO SUSPEND THE RULES, UH, TO TAKE THE AGENDA ITEMS OUT OF ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, SOME OF OUR SPECIAL GUESTS.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, TO LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
AND SO, UH, THANK YOU BOARD FOR THAT.
AND JUST WANTED TO, UH, THANK, UH, CITY MANAGER, UM, UH, KIM TOLBERT FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE, UH, TO ITEM THREE A THREE A, UH, AND, AND ALLOW FOR THE CITY MANAGER, UH, TO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KIM TOLBERT, UH, TO SHARE.
SO, UH, THE, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KIMBERLY TOLBERT, TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE DIRECTOR OF RECRUITMENT PROCESS.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, UH, CHAIR DAVIDSON AND TO THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.
UM, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING, UM, WITH THIS BOARD AND DEFINITELY WANT TO ENSURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS FOR THE DIRECTOR SEARCH, UM, THAT WE ARE FULLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO IN ENTAIL.
AND THAT I CAN GIVE YOU INFORMATION AND KEEP YOU UPDATED AND KEEP YOU ABREAST OF THE SITUATION.
SO WHAT I WANNA BE ABLE TO DO THIS EVENING IS TO SHARE WITH YOU WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UH, AND THEN GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
AND DEFINITELY, UH, WE'LL COME BACK AND, AND CONTINUE TO KEEP YOU ABREAST OF HOW THIS PROCESS IS GOING, UH, OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
UH, AND WE'VE HAD, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK AT, UH, THE BEST POSSIBLE PATH FORWARD
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FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE DIRECTOR POSITION.AND THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE THAT, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO BRING ON A THIRD PARTY TO REALLY DO A NATIONAL SEARCH.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY, UM, BE OUT IN THAT MARKET AND DEFINITELY BRING THE BEST POSSIBLE CANDIDATES TO THE TABLE, UH, AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO BRING SOMEONE WHO NOT ONLY HAS THE EXPERIENCE, BUT THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD AND DEMONSTRATED PERFORMANCE.
ACTUALLY BEING A DIRECTOR OF AN OVERSIGHT OFFICE, UM, WE HAVE NOW ENGAGED A FIRM BY THE NAME OF POLLY HIRE, AND THAT'S P-O-L-I-H-I-R-E.
YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THEIR, UM, OF THEIR INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THEY DEFINITELY, UM, HAVE A DEEP APPRECIATION FOR THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND TO ENSURE THAT THIS ENGAGEMENT PROCESS FOR A NEW DIRECTOR IS, UM, DONE.
UM, FIRST CLASS, UM, POLLY HOWARD HAS NOW BEEN RETAINED AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH A, UH, CONTRACT.
WE'VE HAD THEM ON BOARD, UM, AS PART OF OUR, UM, UH, RECRUITMENT TEAM.
WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE OTHER FIRMS, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE BEST SUITED.
UH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY HEADQUARTERED IN WASHINGTON DC UH, WITH OVER 18 YEARS EXPERIENCE ACTUALLY IN THIS SPACE.
UM, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, UM, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF REFORM, AS WELL AS THE IMPORTANCE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY AND JUSTICE PLAYS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS ORGANIZATION WILL BE ABLE TO HELP WORK NOT ONLY WITH MYSELF, BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE BOARD TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BRING, UH, CANDIDATES, UH, FORWARD.
AND I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF PERSONALLY MEETING THE FOUNDER OF THIS ORGANIZATION, UM, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER KENYATA ZEL, AND HE WILL BE THE DEDICATED EXECUTIVE RECRUITER AND WILL BRING A TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS, UH, TO THE TABLE.
WE'VE, AGAIN, IN YOUR PACKET, WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE NAMES OF THOSE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD BE INVOLVED.
UH, BUT MR. KENYATTA ACTUALLY HAS OVER 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE RECRUITMENT SPACE, WORKING DEFINITELY WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AS WELL.
AND SO THE ACTION PLAN THAT I JUST, I'LL JUST SHARE WITH YOU VERY BRIEFLY, WILL, NUMBER ONE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE POLLY HIRE SPEND TIME TALKING TO EACH OF YOU.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK IN ADVANCE OF US EVEN FINALIZING, UM, THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND BEING ABLE TO START THE PROCESS OF GETTING ON APPLICANTS.
UH, IT WILL ALSO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM YOU ABOUT EXPECTATIONS FROM NOT ONLY THE DELIVERY OF THE ROLE, BUT HOW THEY'LL ACTUALLY APPROACH THEIR FIRST DAYS IN THIS POSITION AND BE ABLE TO CREATE THE SYNERGY, THE BUY-IN AND THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS BOARD.
UM, THEY WILL ALSO THEN HELP WITH THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT OF THAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND THE MARKET PROFILE, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY GO OUT TO BEGIN TO RECRUIT CANDIDATES.
UH, THEY WILL DO ALL THE WORK TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL SOURCING OF THE CANDIDATES, DO THE ASSESSMENT, THE EVALUATION OF THOSE CANDIDATES, AND THEN BRING BACK TO, TO US CANDIDATES FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IN THIS PROCESS, WE DEFINITELY WILL, UM, HAVE, UH, THIS BODY, UH, BE A PART OF THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO AT LEAST KNOW WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM AS WELL.
AND THEY DEFINITELY WILL BUILD THAT INTO OUR PROCESS.
UM, THERE IS A ONE PAGER IN YOUR PACKET THAT GIVES YOU THE RECRUITMENT TIMELINE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW KINDA THAT WE'RE, WE'RE EXPEDITING THIS, UM, AND TRYING TO ENSURE THAT BEFORE WE GET TO MID TO LATE SUMMER, THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY ANNOUNCE A NEW DIRECTOR.
UM, SO STARTING, UM, NEXT WEEK, WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH EACH OF YOUR CALENDARS TO ENSURE THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT INTRODUCTORY MEETING, UM, WITH POLLY HIRE, UH, TO GIVE THEM FEEDBACK.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS NEXT WEEK AND THEN BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY START THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS THE WEEK OF APRIL 15TH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE COMPRESSION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IN THE TIMELINE.
SO WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY, UM, MID TO LATE MAY.
WE SHOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION OF, OF, OF A LIST OF CANDIDATES THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED, ASSESSED, AND EVALUATED BY POLLY HIRE.
AND THEN WE WOULD TRY TO SPEND TIME DURING EITHER LATE MAY AND EARLY JUNE TO BEGIN THAT INTERVIEW PROCESS.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL TO HOPEFULLY HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF A NEW DIRECTOR BY MID TO LATE JUNE.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE, UM, FROM POLLY HIRE, UH, LISTENING INTO THE CALL THIS EVENING.
UH, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE HERE JUST SO THEY CAN BEGIN TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND UNDERSTAND EXPECTATIONS, UH, FROM THIS BODY.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU THAT UPDATE.
I DO FEEL THAT WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THIS BOARD, UM, AS IT RELATES TO SUPPORTING THAT PROCESS.
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KIMBERLY TOLBERT FOR THAT UPDATE.I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME FOR QUESTIONS, UM, TO THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, KIM TOLBERT, AND ALSO, UH, WOULD POLL, UH, THE POLL HIRES.
WOULD THEY, WOULD THEY BE ALSO ACCESSIBLE FOR QUESTIONS IF, IF NEEDED? ABSOLUTELY.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE.
I'M HOPING THEY WERE ABLE TO GET CONNECTED, BUT I DO BELIEVE THEY'RE ON THE CALL.
AND JUST A REMINDER TO, TO, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, WHEN SPEAKING IF POSSIBLE, JUST ADDRESS YOUR DISTRICT NAME, YOUR NAME AND DISTRICT PRIOR, UH, TO YOUR COMMENT.
THAT WAY ON THE TRANSCRIPT, WE KNOW, UH, YOU GET CREDIT FOR YOUR, YOUR WIVES.
AND EXCELLENT COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, DAVID KITLER, DISTRICT 13.
ONE, UH, WHAT IS THE EXPERIENCE OF THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE HIRED, IN PARTICULAR WITH CITY MUNICIPAL HIRES, WHATEVER, AND IN PARTICULAR WITH POLICE OVERSIGHT, HAVE THEY HIRED ANYONE IN THE PAST FOR THAT? THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.
AND QUESTION NUMBER TWO, WHEN YOU SAY PRESENTATION OF CANDIDATES MID TO MAY, LATE MAY, HOW MANY CANDIDATES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
UM, I WILL JUST TAKE THIS DIRECTLY OUT OF THEIR PACKET.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, WORKED ON THE PLACEMENT OF THE INDEPENDENT POLICE AUDITOR IN THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA.
UM, THEY'VE DEFINITELY WORKED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THEY ACTUALLY, UM, DID THE SEARCH FOR OUR NEW ETHICS OFFICER THAT WE HAVE HERE AT THE CITY.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'VE DONE WORK WITH THE CITY OF CHARLOTTESVILLE, PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY, CITY OF RICHMOND, CITY OF IRVA, UH, FAIRFAX COUNTY, ARLINGTON COUNTY, AND KING COUNTY.
SO THEY HAVE A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE, NOT ONLY WORKING, UM, DIRECTLY WITH GOVERNMENT, BUT ACTUALLY DOING THIS WORK FOR OTHER CITIES, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE NUMBER OF CANDIDATES WE WANT THE BEST.
AND SO IF THAT'S THREE TOP CANDIDATES, IF THAT'S FIVE, UH, WE WILL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT POLY HIGH TO DO, UM, THE ASSESSMENT AND THEN PRESENT US WITH A, WITH A SLATE OF CANDIDATES.
SO I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC NUMBER.
I THINK IT'LL REALLY DEPEND ON THE, UM, THE COMPETITION ITSELF.
AND IF THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THREE CANDIDATES THAT COULD DO THE JOB, THEN WE WANNA TALK TO ALL THREE.
IF THEY BELIEVE THERE'S FIVE, I WANNA BE ABLE TO TALK TO ALL FIVE.
UH, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE A, A MINIMUM OF THREE CANDIDATES? IS THAT YOUR BELIEF? A MINIMUM? I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE, I'M AT LEAST, I'M SORRY.
I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST THREE.
IT WOULD BE MY GOAL NOT TO, TO BRING YOU A POOL THAT ONLY HAS ONE OR TWO CANDIDATES IN IT.
SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A GOOD BALANCE, UM, AND A GOOD DIVERSITY, UM, GROUP OF CANDIDATES WITH GREAT DIVERSITY COMING INTO THAT POOL.
AND I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SERVED ON THIS BOARD SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING.
I WAS APPOINTED IN 2019, AND AT THAT TIME WHEN WE WORKED FOR OUR FIRST DIRECTOR, WE HAD AN EXCELLENT, UH, JOB DESCRIPTION.
AND WE DID INTERVIEW IN PERSON, UH, MANY OF US ON THIS BOARD, THE THREE CANDIDATES BEFORE WE RANKED THEM, UM, TO MAKE BEFORE THE, UM, JOHN FORTUNE WAS THE ONE WHO ASSISTED THAT AT THE CITY LEVEL.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THAT JOB DESCRIPTION IS EXCELLENT.
CAN, ARE WE USING ANY OF THAT INFORMATION FROM THE ORIGINAL? THANK, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.
SO IN A RECENT MEETING, I WOULD SAY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I NOT ONLY PROVIDED A COPY OF THE CURRENT JOB DESCRIPTION, BUT ALSO WANTED TO GIVE, UM, THE BOARD, UH, JUST KIND OF A COMPARING CONTRAST TO OTHER SIMILAR POSITIONS IN OTHER CITIES TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, IF WE WANTED TO, UM, FINE TUNE, MAKE ANY CHANGES TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE NOT CREATED ANY BARRIERS FOR ANY POTENTIAL CANDIDATES.
AND SO THE, UH, POLL HOWARD WILL ACTUALLY HAVE THE CURRENT JOB DESCRIPTION, UH, BUT THEY WILL DEFINITELY, WHEN THEY HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH THE BOARD, UM, THEY WILL BE ASKING YOU ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU WANNA MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR IN A CANDIDATE, AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK AND PRESENT US WITH A FINAL JOB DESCRIPTION.
BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH, BUT WE DEFINITELY WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE NOW, FINE TUNE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TUNED IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION, AND THEN USE POLY HIRE AS A RESOURCE TO HELP US DO THAT VERSUS US TRYING TO DO THAT OURSELVES.
I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
PERHAPS I DIDN'T EXPRESS MYSELF VERY WELL, BUT THE ORIGINAL JOB DESCRIPTION GOING BACK TO 2019 IS DIFFERENT FROM THE JOB DESCRIPTION THAT WAS USED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR TO ADVERTISE FOR WHICH WE DIDN'T RECEIVE GOOD CANDIDATES.
THE THING ABOUT THAT ORIGINAL JOB DESCRIPTION, IT SHOWED THAT HAVING A POLICE OVERSIGHT EXPERIENCE WAS THE NUMBER ONE QUALITY DESIRED WHERE THE ONE ADVERTISED IN JANUARY.
I BELIEVE THE FIRST THING WAS HAVING, UH, PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION EXPERIENCE.
AND THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE POLLY HIRED TO SEE THAT ONE THAT WE WORKED
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ON SO HARD BACK IN 2019 20.THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE COMMENTS.
AND WE WILL DEFINITELY ENSURE THAT THE ORIGINAL JOB DESCRIPTION IS PRESENTED TO POLLY HIRE.
AND BEFORE AGAIN, THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS FINALIZED.
WE'RE GONNA DEFINITELY GET THE INPUT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE FINAL ONE THAT WE'LL USE IN THE RECRUITMENT.
I'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS AWARE OF THAT AND YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. TOLBERT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I DO NOTE, SINCE I'M SITTING CLOSE ENOUGH TO YOU TO SEE THAT, UH, THE PROPOSED RECRUITMENT TIMELINE ON YOURS IS IN COLOR, AND THAT COLOR ALLOWS, UH, YOU TO SEE THE PROPOSED DATES, THE COPY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US, WE CAN'T SEE THE DATES THAT, UH, ENGAGE IN MEETING INTRODUCTION, ET CETERA.
COULD YOU REPEAT THOSE DATES AGAIN SO I CAN WRITE THEM DOWN? YES, I WILL DO THAT.
AND I DEFINITELY WANNA APOLOGIZE THAT THE COPY THAT YOU RECEIVED WAS NOT IN COLOR.
UM, SO, UH, APRIL THE NINTH, WHICH IS TODAY WAS THE INTRODUCTION OF POLLY HIRE TO THIS BOARD.
UM, THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY THE MEETINGS WITH THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS TO GIVE INPUT WILL HOPEFULLY BEGIN, UM, STARTING THIS WEEK THROUGH NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT OPENING THE ACTUAL RECRUITMENT ITSELF AROUND APRIL THE 15TH, OR SOMETIME WITHIN THAT WEEK.
UM, THE GOAL WOULD BE BETWEEN MAY AND LATE MID TO LATE MAY TO PRESENT, UM, POTENTIAL CANDIDATES.
AND THEN WE WOULD BEGIN TO LOOK AT INTERVIEWING THOSE CANDIDATES LATE MAY, EARLY JUNE.
UM, BETWEEN THAT TIME PERIOD, WE WOULD BEGIN NEGOTIATION OF, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AN OFFER TO POTENTIAL CANDIDATES AND HOPEFULLY ANNOUNCE AND HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR ON BOARD BY MID TO LATE JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
AND AGAIN, WE CAN DEFINITELY SEND THIS OUT TO YOU ALL IN COLOR SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
THANK YOU SO VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND WELCOME ABOARD.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, FROM BOARD MEMBERS, UH, TO THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, KIMBERLY TOLBERT.
SEEING THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM.
AND IF YOU COULD STAY ONE MORE, 'CAUSE I THINK THIS, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THIS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE CHAIR OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE.
WERE WE GOING TO ALLOW, UM, POLLY HIRE TO SPEAK BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WERE ON THE LINE? YES.
WOULD YOU, WOULD, UH, WOULD THE BOARD LIKE TO HEAR FROM POLLY HIRE? AND THEY ARE, I DID CONFIRM THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER IS ACTUALLY ON THE CALL, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM, UH, POLLY HIRE IF, IF THE REPRESENTATIVE COULD GET ONLINE AND, AND MAYBE SHARE IN A FEW MINUTES WHAT, UH, YOU HOPE TO SEE FROM THIS PROCESS.
AND, AND AGAIN, IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BASED ON THEIR COMMENT, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE, TO THE BOARD FOR THAT.
HI, ARE YOU ONLINE? UH, POLLY.
HI, UH, KEVIN, DO YOU SEE, UH, POLLY HIER ONLINE BY CHANCE? HELLO? I'M, I'M HERE NOW.
I WAS HAVING A PROBLEM UNMUTING MYSELF.
WE CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
BY CHANCE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO TURN YOUR VIDEO ON SO WE CAN SEE YOU? SURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MOMENT HERE,
YEAH, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR, UH, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR, YOUR COMPANY, WHAT YOU HOPE TO SEE FROM THIS PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE, UH, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND WE'RE, UH, THANKFUL TO BE WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS PROCESS.
BUT YES, TAKE A TAKE A MOMENT TO SHARE YOUR PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT YOU HOPE TO SEE FROM THIS PROCESS.
AND IF, I'LL OPEN UP TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE.
C CERTAINLY THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EACH OF YOU.
MY NAME IS KENYATA AZEL, I'M THE FOUNDER OF POLY HIRE.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS NOW FOR, UM, AS OF YESTERDAY, 18 YEARS SERVING, UM, THOSE WHO SERVE IS LIKE WHAT I LIKE TO SAY.
SO OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS WORKING WITH LOCALITIES APPOINTED BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS IN HIRING THEIR SENIOR STAFF OR ASSISTING THEM IN HIRING THEIR SENIOR STAFF.
UM, OVER THE 18 YEARS, THE MORE THAN 2000 SEARCHES THAT WE'VE COMPLETED, UM, I I BELIEVE YOU'LL SEE AND AND HEAR, AND, UM, JUST A GENERAL CURSORY YOUR VIEW OF, OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH.
YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE, POLY HIRE.COM.
WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT WE, UM, TRULY EMBRACE, UM, THE DIVERSITY OF WHAT OF OF OUR COUNTRY IS, AND TRYING TO BRING DIVERSE POOLS OF CANDIDATES, UM, HIGHLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES TO THOSE THAT ARE MAKING THE SELECTION FOR YOU TO MAKE THE SELECTION THAT'S BEST FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET TO KNOW THE COMMUNITY.
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THE PAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK.I, WE COMPLETED FIVE OR SIX POSITIONS, AND I THINK THERE ARE TWO OR THREE MORE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE ARE BRINGING REALLY, REALLY STRONG PEOPLE IN AND HELPING, UH, MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE, UM, THE, THE CONSTITUENTS AND THOSE THAT LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN IN THE CITY OF DALLAS HAVE THE STRONGEST LEADERSHIP IN PLACE.
UH, AS IT PERTAINS TO POLICE OVERSIGHT, MY TEAM IS MY TEAM.
MY DIVERSE TEAM IS ACTUALLY IMPACTED ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, UM, BY, UH, WHAT THOSE THAT ARE SWORN TO, TO SERVE AND PROTECT ME AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN WHO LIVES IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA WITH A, A, YOU KNOW, A 9-YEAR-OLD LITTLE BOY AND A 13-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, WANNA ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
WHO, AGAIN, WHO ARE, WHO ARE SWORN TO PROTECT AND, AND SERVE US.
AND IN DOING SO, UM, IT'S TWO-PRONGED, WHAT OUR BELIEF IS.
AND THE FIRST IS MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE LEADING.
AND THE SECOND PART IS MAKING CERTAIN THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE, HAVE BEEN SELECTED BY ONE OUR CLIENTS, YOURSELF TELLING US YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR YOUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE CERTAIN THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE OVERSIGHT, UM, AND ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR, FOR ACTIONS.
AND WHAT WE PROPOSED TO DO AND HAVE OUTLINED IN OUR PROPOSAL AND MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER IS TO BE INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH OF YOU.
WHAT WE BELIEVE THAT WILL ALLOW IS TO UNDER GET A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING COLLECTIVELY.
YOU MIGHT NOT HEAR FROM EVERYONE OR SOME, UM, MAY SPEAK LOUDER OR MORE THAN OTHERS.
BUT HAVING THAT ACCESSIBILITY, ME BEING ACCESSIBLE TO YOU TO HAVE ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS AS WE GO ABOUT CRAFTING THE, UM, THE BROCHURE OR THE, THE, THE COLLATERAL THAT WILL GO OUT, UM, TO SOLICIT INDIVIDUALS, UM, I GUESS THEIR, THEIR INTEREST, UH, DRIVE THEIR INTEREST, UM, IS IMPORTANT.
AND WE CAN'T PUT THAT TOGETHER WITHOUT FIRST ENGAGING EACH OF YOU.
SO I, I LIKE TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT YOU ARE ALL AWARE THAT EACH OF YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE MYSELF.
UM, I'VE GOT A VERY STRONG, UH, LEADER ON MY TEAM AS WELL, MARCIA THOMPSON, SOMEONE WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CALL, UH, A LOVINGLY, UH, UH, THE OG.
SHE'S SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE THIS WORK, WHO'S BEEN ON THE FRONT LINES, UM, OF MAKING CERTAIN THAT REFORM, OVERSIGHT AND JUSTICE, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE HELD AND PEOPLE ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ACTIONS AND, UM, AND THE CHECKS AND SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES WORKS.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO, TO, TO DO AND TO PARTNER WITH YOU IN BRINGING INDIVIDUALS TO, TO THE, UM, TO THE TABLE FOR YOU ALL TO EVALUATE AND SELECT THE TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS THAT, UH, IT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE WORK WITH A 90 DAY TIMEFRAME BECAUSE WE DO WORK IN THIS SPACE.
MOST RECENTLY, WE'VE, UH, COMPLETED THE SEARCH FOR THE POLICE AUDITOR, SIMILAR POSITION, DIFFERENT TITLE FOR THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA.
WE ACTUALLY RECRUITED SOMEONE NEXT DOOR FROM YOU ALL.
KIM MILL, WHO WAS THERE IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS, BY WAY OF CHICAGO, RECRUITED HER TO COME TO, TO THE, UH, THE NATION'S CAPITAL AREA REGION, TO, TO LEAD THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA AS THEY STOOD UP THEIR POLICE, UH, CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT SITE BOARD.
WE HAVE, UM, AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, WHILE WE HAVE DONE THIS WORK, WE'VE ALSO WORKED ON THE OTHER SIDE, MAKING CERTAIN THAT, UH, WE WORK AND PLACE POLICE, CHIEF AND EXECUTIVES AS WELL, MAKING CERTAIN THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE PLACING UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT, UH, THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS THE CHECKS AND BALANCES PIECE OF THAT CIVILIAN.
SO WE HAVE A COMPLEX UNDERSTANDING, UM, OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AND, AND ARE WILLING TO LISTEN AND HOPING TO LISTEN MORE, UM, ABOUT WHAT, UH, IS, WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS SEEKING AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING.
UH, MR. ELLE, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR PRESENCE HERE TODAY AND, UH, FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND HELPING US, UH, FIND THAT NEXT LEADER FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP AT THIS TIME, UH, TO THE BOARD IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MR. ROZELLE, UH, REGARDING THE PROCESS, UM, WITH, UH, POLLY HIRE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS YOUR TIMER.
WELL, UH, THE BOARD IS SATISFIED.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, UH, PRESENCE AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.
AND THIS IS IN THE LAST CONVERSATION, BUT WE APPRECIATE, UH, THE INTENTIONALITY, INCLUDING US IN THIS PROCESS.
AND, UH, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS INTRODUCTION.
UM, AND IT APPEARS THE BOARD IS SATISFIED.
SEEING THAT'S THE CASE, UH, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON, UH, TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
UH, WE WILL MOVE AT THIS POINT TO ITEM THREE E.
AND THIS ITEM IS A REPORT, UH, A REPORT WITH A MEETING WITH DEPUTY
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CITY MANAGER.UH, AS, AS YOU KNOW, IT, THIS IS IN THE ONLY TIME THAT THE, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE BOARD, WE TRY TO KEEP MOMENTUM IN BETWEEN MEETINGS AND, UH, WE WERE GRACED AND BLESSED WITH A MEETING WITH DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND, UH, THE CHAIR WILL RECOGNIZE BOARD MEMBER BRANDON FRIEDMAN, UH, TO GIVE A, A BRIEF RECAP OF, OF THIS MEETING.
UM, MR. TOLBERT, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, I'M JUST GONNA START WITH INTRODUCTION.
WE DID HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH, UH, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TOLBERT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, NOT ONLY THE DIRECTOR HIRE, BUT UM, PRIMARILY THE, UH, MEMO THAT WE HAD RECEIVED FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ABOUT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS AND WHERE THE BOARD STOOD ON THAT.
UM, UH, IN TALKING TO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TOLBERT, SHE HAD AN UPDATE FOR US, UH, ABOUT THE CLASSIFICATION OF IEDS, NO INVESTIGATION DETERMINATIONS.
AND MS. TOLBERT, I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO, TO TELL THE BOARD WHAT YOU TOLD US OR IF, OR IF I SHOULD DO THAT.
UM, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE MORE THE EXPERT ON IT SINCE YOU HAD, SINCE YOU HAD HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK THE CHAIR, UH, AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO I'VE MET WITH AROUND THIS INVESTIGATION TOPIC, UM, OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, I THINK WHAT WE ASKED FOR WAS TIME TO LOOK AT OUR CURRENT PROCESS AND TO ENSURE THAT THAT WAS REALLY A, A, A, AN AN ISSUE.
AND I THINK WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO, AND WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR CHIEF OF POLICE AND HIS TEAM, AND REALLY WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IS THAT WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS AN ISSUE IS NOT AN ISSUE.
IT WAS MORE ABOUT CLARIFYING SOME OF THE, THE LANGUAGE.
UM, IT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING AS IT RELATES TO THE PROCESS.
AND WE DEFINITELY, UM, I'M GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN A ROOM AND TALK ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, RESTORE WHAT APPEARED TO BE, UH, A CHANGE, MEANING THAT, UH, SOMETHING WAS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM THE BOARD AS FAR AS YOUR ABILITY TO INVESTIGATE.
I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT, AND SO THAT WAS THE RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION.
SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE, THE, THE ISSUE WAS, UM, THAT THE BOARD COULD NOT INVESTIGATE IF ID DETERMINED THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION.
BUT OUR, MY UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT IS THAT ID IS GOING TO CHANGE, UM, WHAT THAT'S CALLED NO INVESTIGATION.
IT'S NOW GOING TO BECOME SOMETHING DIFFERENT, A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION.
I, I, I THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE AND, AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN PUT MY GLASSES ON AND I CAN LOOK AT THE FORM SINCE I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED.
I THINK IT'S PRELIMINARY AND PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION AND OUTCOME IS THE, IS THE WORDING.
UM, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT WAS BEING DONE, IT JUST CLARIFIES IT.
SO, SO JUST SO THE BOARD KNOWS, SO WE COULDN'T, SO IF ID CHARACTERIZED SOMETHING AS A NO INVESTIGATION, WE WERE THEN BARRED BY THE CITY.
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TOLD US THAT THE ORDINANCE BARRED US FROM CONDUCTING AN, AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO NOW WHAT'S GOING TO FREE US UP IS THAT ID IS NOW NOT GOING TO CALL IT A NO INVESTIGATION.
THEY'RE GOING TO CALL IT A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION WITH, UH, AND OUTCOME.
SO THIS MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, UP, WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE CITY ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST A CHANGE OF WORDING ON I D'S PART THAT IS GOING TO BRIDGE THAT GAP FOR US THAT, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAD RAISED IN THEIR MEMO.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS HERE.
I, I COMMITTED, UH, TO THIS BODY THAT WE WOULD ENSURE THAT WE HAD A CITY ATTORNEY IN THE ROOM FOR THE MEETINGS.
AND I KNOW THAT OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY IS HER.
UH, BERT, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING, FATHER? I THINK WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE CLARIFIED IT.
AGAIN, THIS WAS US JUST WORKING TOGETHER INTERNALLY.
THERE'S NO ORDINANCE CHANGE, UH, REQUIRED.
I THINK THAT THAT WAS MAYBE THE INITIAL CONVERSATION, BUT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO AT THIS TIME REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR MATTER.
ARE THERE, AND HE'S, AND HE'S SIGNALING TO ME THAT HE'S GOOD.
UH, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A VERY HIGHLY CHARGED, VERY CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC FOR THE BOARD.
UM, DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IS ANY OF THAT NOT CLEAR? SO THIS IS, I'M SORRY, ALISON GRANTER ALLEN FOR DISTRICT NINE.
SO THIS ESSENTIALLY GETS US RIGHT BACK TO THE STATUS QUO ANTI, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS ISSUE GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND, AND I DO WANNA APOLOGIZE.
I WAS NOT AT THE MEETING THAT, UM, THAT THIS BECAME THE TOPIC.
AND, UM, AS I'VE SHARED WITH THE BOARD CHAIR AND WITH THOSE THAT I MET WITH AROUND THIS, UM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO JUST ENSURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE REPRESENTATION
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HERE TO WHERE WE CAN KEEP THOSE TYPES OF THINGS FROM, UH, IN MY OPINION, ELEVATING, UM, AND BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THINGS HERE IN THE, IN THE MOMENT.AND SO YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT TO BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH THE SPORT TO DO EXACTLY THAT.
AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ON THIS.
I GUESS I ALSO WANT TO, TO ITERATE, REITERATE, JUST GRATITUDE TO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.
UH, WHEN WE DID MEET WITH HER, UM, JUST HER POSTURE AND COMMITMENT WAS JUST SO ENCOURAGING.
AND, UH, AND TO SEE THIS RESOLVED SO QUICKLY IS A TESTAMENT TO HER LEADERSHIP.
AND I REMEMBER WHEN WE, WE FIRST MET, MET, SHE SAT DOWN AND SHE BEGAN THE MEETING STATING THAT SHE'S COMMITTED TO THE SUCCESS OF THE OFFICE AND THE BOARD.
UH, IT'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH HER.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE TODAY FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WITHOUT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, UH, WE CAN, UM, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM POSSIBLE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A, A SIX 30, SO, UH, IF SHE HAS TO LEAVE, SHE'S NOT BEING RUDE.
SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE'S AN IMPORTANT PERSON, SO SHE'S GOT THINGS TO DO.
BUT WE ALSO, UH, WE HAVE SOME IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS AS WELL, UH, TO HAVE OTHER VIPS IN THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, I WANTED TO, UH, MOVE NOW TO ITEM, UH, THREE, BRIEFING ITEM THREE B, UM, THREE B, AND, UH, INVITE, UH, CHIEF GAR, UH, DALLAS POLICE CHIEF GARCIA, UH, TO, UH, COME FORWARD.
AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE A, UM, A PRESENTATION ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT.
UM, WELCOME, UH, CHIEF GARCIA, HAPPY YOU'RE HERE TODAY.
UH, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AT THIS MEETING.
MY TEAM, UH, COMES TO SIT DOWN.
SO AS I SET THIS UP, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED, UH, WITH CITY COUNCIL, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, REALLY THERE IS NOT A POLICE CHIEF IN THE COUNTRY WHOSE PRIMARY JOB IS NOT TO FIND WHAT'S WRONG INSIDE THEIR DEPARTMENT BEFORE ANYONE ELSE DOES.
THAT'S WHAT A PROFESSIONAL POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES.
AND SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, UM, WORKING WITH OUTSIDE SPECIALISTS, UH, TO REALLY STUDY OURSELVES, UH, AND TO BE THE PREMIER DEPARTMENT THAT WE ALL WANT US TO BE, IS THE REASON THAT WE, UH, STARTED ON THIS ENDEAVOR, UH, THAT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT AS, UH, A MODEL PROGRAM, UH, ACTUALLY IN THE COUNTRY.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER, UH, TO THE LIEUTENANT, UH, WHO IS GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS WHEN WE'RE DONE.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN DAVIDSON, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS LIEUTENANT JULIO GONZALEZ, AND I'M THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING COMMANDER.
TO MY LEFT, I HAVE MADDIE MADRAZO.
SHE IS THE DEPARTMENT'S LEGISLATIVE COORDINATOR.
AND TOGETHER WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, PROVIDING YOU WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT.
QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PRESENTATION.
WE'LL START OFF WITH WHAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING.
WE'LL GO OVER THE UNIT'S MISSION AND VISION.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHY CHIEF GARCIA CREATED THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT.
WE'LL DISCUSS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR STRATEGIC AND OUR LIMITED SCOPE REVIEWS.
WE'LL DISCUSS LEVERAGING OUTSIDE EXPERTS, COMMUNICATING STRATEGICALLY WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, AND THEN OUR UPCOMING, UH, REVIEWS THAT WE PLAN ON TAKING A LOOK AT.
SO WHAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING? SIMPLY PUT, CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING IS LEGAL POLICING.
IT IS LAW ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES THAT EMPHASIZE ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND A COMMITMENT TO UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS.
MY NAME IS MADDIE MADRAZO, AND THIS UNIT LAUNCHED FORMALLY FOR YOUR AWARENESS IN DECEMBER OF 2023.
AND SINCE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD ON AN IMPORTANT MISSION, THE MISSION OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT IS TO ENSURE THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PRESERVES ITS INTEGRITY BY UPHOLDING THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF POLICING, AND THAT INCLUDES LEGAL, MORAL, AND ETHICAL.
AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS MISSION, WE ARE PROACTIVELY TAKING THREE STEPS.
STEP ONE IS TO ESTABLISH A FRAMEWORK FOR ONGOING SELF-ASSESSMENT AND SELF-CORRECTION.
STEP TWO IS TO ENSURE THE DEPARTMENT'S PATTERNS, PRACTICES, AND POLICIES MEET OR EXCEED POLICING STANDARDS OUTLINED IN APPLICABLE LEGISLATION, COURT DECISIONS.
STEP THREE IS TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO EMBRACE OPERATIONAL INNOVATION, MAXIMIZE EFFICIENCY, AND PROMOTE DATA-DRIVEN DECISION MAKING.
SO OUR WORK TO EXECUTE OUR MISSION
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ULTIMATELY SUPPORTS A GREATER VISION.THAT'S TWO PART, AND THAT'S A, TO ESTABLISH THE NATION'S PREMIER CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT, AND THEN B, TO BETTER THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSION AS A WHOLE.
AND TO QUOTE FROM OUR VISION STATEMENT, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT ASPIRES TO ESTABLISH THE NATION'S PREMIER CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT DEDICATED TO SAFEGUARDING CITIZENS' RIGHTS AND PROACTIVELY IMPLEMENTING BEST PRACTICES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THROUGH CONTINUOUS SELF-ASSESSMENT, INNOVATION, AND ADVOCACY.
WE STRIVE TO STRENGTHEN THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE FUTURE AND REDEFINE THE EXPECTATIONS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO WHY CREATE THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT? UH, THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THIS IS, UH, CHIEF GARCIA AND I ATTENDED A CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING CONFERENCE BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
AND DURING THAT CONFERENCE, UH, THE CHIEF JUDGE OF THE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND OVERSEEING THE BALTIMORE CONSENT DECREE WAS SPEAKING, AND HE SAID SOMETHING THAT REALLY RESONATED WITH THE BOTH OF US.
AND SO THIS QUOTE IS, IT IS MY HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE IT BECOMES STANDARD ACROSS ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO HAVE A COMPLIANCE BUREAU CHARGED WITH BRINGING IN CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING WITH A DIRECT LINE TO THE CHIEF OR COMMISSIONER OF THE AGENCY.
AND THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT THE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT LOSE ITS WAY.
AND THAT SAYS IT PERFECTLY AS TO WHY WE OR WHY CHIEF GARCIA CREATED THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT.
THE TWO PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT ARE TO CONDUCT WHAT WE CALL STRATEGIC AND LIMITED SCOPE REVIEWS.
OUR STRATEGIC REVIEWS ARE LARGER IN SCOPE, AND THEY LEVERAGE THIRD PARTY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, SUCH AS CRIMINOLOGISTS TO CONDUCT INDEPENDENT ANALYSES OF KNOWN AREAS OF HIGH RISK WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
AND EVERY STRATEGIC REVIEWS INCLUDES A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES, TRAININGS, SYSTEMS, DATA, AND MECHANISMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, WE WILL SHARE SPECIFICALLY WHAT STRATEGIC REVIEW IS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT JUST TO PREP, PROVIDE EXAMPLES, SOME EXAMPLES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK DURING THESE STRATEGIC REVIEWS.
A, IS THE LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES CLEAR AND UNDERSTOOD? B, WHAT IS THE QUALITY OF RELATED TRAININGS THAT IS TRAININGS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT OF OUR STRATEGIC REVIEW? DO THE PRACTICES IN PLACE ALIGNED WITH THE DEPARTMENT'S CORRESPONDING POLICIES IN ITS GENERAL ORDERS? IS THE DATA THAT WE ARE COLLECTING VALID AND RELIABLE? AND DOES THE DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO HOLD OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE? OUR GOAL IS TO CONDUCT FOUR STRATEGIC REVIEWS EACH YEAR, AND THEN PARALLEL TRACK TO OUR STRATEGIC REVIEWS WE'RE CONDUCTING WHAT WE CALL LIMITED SCOPE REVIEWS, WHICH AS THE NAME SUGGESTS, ARE SMALLER IN BREADTH AND SCOPE.
AND THESE ARE CONDUCTED MORE FREQUENTLY, AND THEY INCLUDE ASSESSMENTS OF SPECIFIC BUREAUS, DIVISIONS, UNITS, OR OPERATIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THESE ARE CONDUCTED BY INTERNAL CONTROL SPECIALISTS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, AND THOSE SMALLER IN SCALE.
THEY ALSO INCLUDE REVIEWS OF POLICIES, TRAINING SYSTEMS, DATA, AND MECHANISMS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO, SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS UNIT BACK IN DECEMBER, 2023, COMMUNICATION WITH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS HAS BEEN A PRIORITY, AND THAT REMAINS THE CASE.
THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS UNIT REALLY IS INNOVATIVE, IT'S HISTORIC, AND IT'S INTENDED TO REINFORCE THIS DEPARTMENT'S COMMITMENT TO CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.
AND SO AS A RESULT, WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT STORY TO TELL, AND WE WANT TO ENGAGE WITH AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE AT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO TO THAT END, IN MARCH, WE LAUNCHED A ROBUST LANDING PAGE ON THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE.
AND THIS PAGE INCLUDES THE UNIT'S, MISSION, VISION, ITS METHODS, AND THEN ANY RELATED NEWS COVERAGE IN ADDITION TO A TRANSPARENCY PAGE THAT PROVIDES A DETAILED OUTLINE OF THIS, UH, DEPARTMENT'S HISTORIC TRANSPARENCY INITIATIVES.
AND THEN WE ALSO ARE ENCOURAGING ONGOING FEEDBACK ON OUR WEBSITE.
WE HAVE A FORM, UM, INTERNAL EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS CAN CONTACT US THROUGH THAT FORM OR EMAIL A NEW EMAIL ADDRESS THAT WE CREATED, WHICH IS CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING@DALLASPOLICE.GOV.
AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED RECEIVING, UM, EMAILS TO THIS ADDRESS.
UH, THEN, LIKE I SAID, ONGOING STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT HAS AND WILL REMAIN A PRIORITY.
AND SO SINCE DECEMBER, CHIEF GARCIA AND OR OUR, OUR TEAM HAVE DELIVERED A PRESENTATION TO THE CITY'S PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, WE'VE MET WITH LEADERS FROM ALL OF THE POLICE ASSOCIATIONS,
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MET WITH INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER, AND THEN ALSO PRESENTED TO THE DALLAS REGIONAL CHAMBER'S PUBLIC SAFETY SUB COUNCIL.AND WE PLAN TO CONTINUE ON THAT TRAJECTORY MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEN REGARDING INTERNAL ENGAGEMENT, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE INSTITUTIONALIZE OUR ROLES AT THE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO WE WANNA CREATE EMPLOYEE BUY-IN AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING IS, WHAT OUR MISSION IS, HOW THEY CAN HELP, AND THEN ALSO SOLICIT THEIR FEEDBACK.
AND TO DATE, WE'VE HOSTED THREE ROUND TABLES, AND THESE ROUND TABLES HAVE INCLUDED REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL THE SUBSTATIONS AND ALL THE WATCHES AS WELL.
AND THEN IN THE COMING WEEKS, WE WILL HOST AN EXPERT ROUND TABLE.
AND THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONVENE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, REALLY THOSE WITH A GOAL OR WITH A GENUINE INTEREST IN SEEING LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, AS A PROFESSION IMPROVE.
AND THIS WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOLICIT THEIR FEEDBACK AND AGAIN, SHARE OUR, OUR MISSION.
THEN SOON WE WILL LAUNCH A CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING NEWSLETTER THAT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED VIA EMAIL TO ALL INTERESTED INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS.
AND THIS NEWSLETTER WILL SERVE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE PROGRESS UPDATES, AND THEN REALLY JUST INITIATE DIALOGUE ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND THEN FINALLY, OUR UNIT WILL PUBLISH AN ANNUAL ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT.
AND THIS REPORT WILL INCLUDE A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF ALL OF OUR INITIATIVES, OUR FINDINGS, AND THEN ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT THAT ARE DELIVERED TO CHIEF GARCIA FOR HIS REVIEW AS A RESULT OF OUR WORK.
OUR GOAL IS TO CONDUCT FOUR STRATEGIC LARGE REVIEWS EACH YEAR.
CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS, WE HAVE OUR USE OF FORCE SYSTEM, UH, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT OUR TRAINING POLICIES, PRACTICES, UM, INCLUDING OUR REPORTING PROCESS AND OUR REVIEW PROCESS, AND HOW THAT DATA MOVES THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE WILL THEN TAKE A LOOK AT OUR TRAINING.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PROPERTY ROOM AND EVIDENCE, AND WE'LL ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR PRISONER PROCEDURES.
SOME OF THE SMALLER REVIEWS THAT ARE BEING DONE CONCURRENTLY, UM, OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE IS BEING REVIEWED.
PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT, OUR WELLNESS UNIT, AS WELL AS OTHERS ARE ALSO BEING DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS AT THIS TO, AT THIS TIME BOARD, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO BOARD MEMBERS TO ASK, UH, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL, UH, POLICING UNIT.
UM, AND, UH, IF POSSIBLE WE COULD MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON TIME LIMIT OUR COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, THREE MINUTES OR SO.
UH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IF, IF YOU'RE ON A ROLL, I WON'T STOP YOU.
BUT, UM, JUST IN, IN THE EFFORT TO BE OUTTA HERE IN A DECENT TIME.
AND, UM, BUT YEAH, UH, CHAIR RECOGNIZES, UM, BOARD MEMBER ALLISON, UM, DISTRICT NINE, ALLISON, GRANT, ALLEN FOR DISTRICT NINE.
THE FOUR SYSTEMIC REVIEWS THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED FOR THIS YEAR, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE RECURRING REVIEWS OR WILL NEXT YEAR FEATURE FOUR DIFFERENT SYSTEMIC REVIEWS? SO, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, OUR GOAL IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT EACH OF THE SYSTEMS AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.
UM, DEPENDING ON, THERE ARE GONNA BE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE FOLLOW UP.
AND SO CERTAINLY THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT, UM, IT ALSO, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE OUR OUTSIDE EXPERTS THAT WE CONSULT WITH ON OUTSIDE AREAS, OR I'M SORRY, OF AREAS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE OF KNOWN RISK.
AND SO DEPENDING ON HOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS GO, WE WILL STEER THE DIRECTION THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT.
IF I CAN JUST ADD BOARD MEMBER, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE DYNAMICS, AND I KNOW WE'VE KIND OF SAID IT, THAT THE EXPERTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ARE EXPERTS THAT HAVE HAD PERSONAL, UM, ENGAGEMENT WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER CONSENT DECREE THAT HAVE GOTTEN, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INVOLVED.
AND OUR GOAL IS TO BE PROACTIVE, TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GIVING OURSELVES A, WE'RE GIVING OURSELVES A PATTERNS OF PRACTICE INVESTIGATION INTERNALLY.
AND SO WE ARE REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDENT ON THE EXPERTS THAT HAVE SEEN, UH, WHEN DEPARTMENTS HAVE LOST THEIR WAY, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GONNA MAKE US BETTER.
AND SO IT IS A MOVING, UH, IT'S A LIVING MOVING DOCUMENT THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE FIND OUT THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE, UH, WE WILL DO THAT.
AND THOSE THINGS DO TAKE TIME.
UH, BUT CERTAINLY THE GOAL IS FOR US TO FIND THESE, UH, DEFICIENCIES, UH, FIRST AND BE PROACTIVE ABOUT FIXING THEM.
CHAIRMAN, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
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I'M PLEASED THAT YOU'RE HERE.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I SEE THAT YOU'VE PUT A GREAT EFFORT INTO THIS NEW ENDEAVOR.
UM, YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE, UM, PRESENTED TO THE DIFFERENT, UM, SUBSTATIONS, UH, SO FAR.
HOW, WHAT IS THE FEELING FROM THE OFFICERS? LEMME, I'LL JUST GO IN, IN GENERAL AND PLEASE HAVE LIEUTENANT, UH, SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I BRING, UH, THE ASSOCIATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, ON BOARD AS STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS, AND THEY'RE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THIS DEPARTMENT AND THE MORALE, THE MEN AND WOMEN, UH, AND THEY WERE INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AS WELL.
THERE, THERE IS NO DEPARTMENT, UH, IN THIS COUNTRY, UM, THAT WANTS TO BE, THAT WANTS TO BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE FIXED OURSELVES.
AND I KNOW IN THE SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE LATER ON, I'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES, UH, BUT LOOKING AT THINGS THAT HAPPEN AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, AND LEARNING FROM THEM AND LEARNING FROM THOSE MISTAKES.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, MY ASSOCIATIONS HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY SUPPORTIVE.
UH, AND THEY'RE VERY PLEASED THAT WE ARE TAKING AN INTERNAL LOOK AT OURSELVES, UH, TO BETTER OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY ARE 100% ON THE SAME PAGE AS I AM.
AND AS WE ALL ARE, UH, TO BETTER THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT CHAIRMAN, UM, D WADSWORTH, UH, DISTRICT 12, I WANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING US THIS POWERPOINT.
IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO GET A COPY OF THE POWERPOINT? IT WASN'T IN OUR HANDOUT.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, MA'AM.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME POWERPOINT.
THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR BOOK IS THE ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED IN DECEMBER TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THAT, THAT HAD THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN SEND OUT THE STANDALONE PACKET.
YOU, THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BACK IN 2019, WAY BEFORE YOU EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT COMING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, THE CITY PURCHASE SOFTWARE THAT WOULD TRACK OFFICERS THAT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF IMPLEMENTING THAT SOFTWARE? I KNOW IT GOT THROWN BEHIND WHEN COVID HIT, AND A LOT OF THINGS WERE GOING ON, BUT WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT SOFTWARE? UH, PRESENTLY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UH, DIFFERENT SOFTWARE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE EARLY WARNING, UH, SYSTEMS IN PLACE.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MYRIAD OF ISSUES THAT WE CAN CONSIDER EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS, UH, BE WE'RE WORKING, UH, TO GET, UH, SOMETHING IN PLACE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES THROUGH THE YEARS, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS WELL BEFORE, UH, UM, THAT I ARRIVED.
UH, BUT EARLY WARNING IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO US.
UH, THIS IS AN EARLY WARNING SYSTEM IN IT BY ITSELF.
UH, BUT CERTAINLY WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING, UH, TECHNOLOGY, UH, TO GO IN THAT, IN, IN, IN THAT DIRECTION.
DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE? UH, NOT, NOT RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT I WOULD, I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY FOR IT.
UM, AGAIN, AND I'LL SAY THIS, I WAS GONNA SAY TO THIS CONCLUSION, UH, THIS IS NOT A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS TO BE PUSHED TO BE BETTER.
UH, THIS IS A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WANTS TO BE A MODEL POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MAY BE PLACES THAT NEED TO GET PUSHED.
SO I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY, UH, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL.
ANY QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, I'LL BE CURIOUS, YOUR, UH, YOUR TAKE ON WHAT YOU SEE AS, UM, HOW THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE BOARD, HOW YOU SEE US WORKING WITH THIS CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT? WHAT PARTNERSHIP, WHAT ARE WAYS THAT YOU'D SEE US INTERACTING AND THAT DYNAMIC BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, THE TWO GROUPS? WELL, THE WAY, THE WAY I SEE IT IS REALLY HAVING REPORT BACKS, UH, ON YOU AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE EYES AND EARS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THIS DEPARTMENT IS STRIVING TO GET BETTER, UH, AND FINDING OUR OWN BLIND SPOTS AND WORKING WITH YOU ALL AND REPORTING BACK TO YOU AT WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE TELLING US, THE AREAS WE'RE TRYING TO FIX.
UM, AND OUR PROGRESS, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY WILL COME BACK, UH, TO REPORT OUT TO YOU, UM, PERIODICALLY AS WE GET TO THOSE, UH, THOSE CHECKPOINTS.
CHONGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE.
UM, SO THERE WAS A FRAMEWORK THAT YOU, UH, SHOWED ON THE SLIDES AND, AND, AND IT REFERENCED EXPERTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO, PLUS COMMUNITY FOLKS, I ASSUME, IS COMMUNITY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT, IN THOSE REVIEWS.
UM, WHERE DOES THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, THE, THE BOARD FIT INTO THAT? BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN REPEATEDLY, UH, THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS COME UP WITH SOME INITIATIVES, BUT
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IT'S ALWAYS PRESENTED TO US AFTER IT'S CREATED.AND, YOU KNOW, UM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY WITH THIS BOARD, DIDN'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO HAVE ANY INPUT EVEN INTO THE USE OF FORCE DASHBOARD THAT WAS BEING CREATED.
OTHER POLICIES AND INITIATIVES.
IT'S LIKE WE'RE AN AFTERTHOUGHT AS OPPOSED TO BEING A, A COLLABORATIVE PARTNER AND HELPING YOU CREATE THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT 21ST CENTURY POLICING.
AND SO THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE SHOULD BE A STAKEHOLDER IN WHAT YOU'RE COMING UP WITH.
SO I'M WONDERING HOW DO WE FIT INTO THAT? WELL, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS I MADE MENTION, SIR, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY, US WORKING ON TWO DIFFERENT PATHS, UH, WITH REGARDS TO US STUDYING OURSELVES AND REPORTING TO YOU ALL AT WHAT OUR FINDINGS ARE.
WE ARE WORKING WITH RENOWNED EXPERTS, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT HAVE SEEN AROUND THE COUNTRY THE ISSUES THAT ARE AFFECTING AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING.
THERE WILL BE A TIME AND PLACE, I'M SURE, WHERE WE WILL GET FEEDBACK AT DIFFERENT AREAS THAT TO LOOK AT.
UH, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO, TO, TO OPEN EVERY DOOR AND ROLL EVERY ROCK, UH, TO SEE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS POLICE DEPO, IF ANYTHING IS WRONG WITH THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ENSURE WE DON'T LOSE OUR WAY.
UM, AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THAT INTERNAL REVIEW, UM, AND REPORTING BACK WITH REGARDS TO WHAT OUR FINDINGS ARE AND THE WAY WE'RE WORKING ON IT, THAT THERE MAY COME A TIME WHERE WE HAVE CHECKED, UH, EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT AS BEST WE CAN, AND WE FEEL WE WERE NOT GONNA LOSE OUR WAY WITH REGARDS TO POLICY AND TRAINING, UH, AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROCESS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND I'M CERTAIN THAT THERE'LL BE A ROLE AT THAT POINT.
UH, BUT RIGHT NOW WITH THE, WITH THE START OF THIS UNIT, THE FIRST THING THAT WE NEED TO DO IS ENSURE THAT OUR POLICIES, PRACTICES, AND PROCEDURES, UH, ARE PROCEDURALLY CORRECT, THEY'RE CONSTITUTIONALLY CORRECT, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THIS DEPARTMENT DOESN'T LOSE ITS WAY, AND THAT THE CITY DOES NOT LOSE ITS CREDIBILITY WITH ITS RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, WE JUST, THAT'S OUR JOB TOO, LIKE
JUST AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, UM, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, AND JUST A SUGGESTION, UM, TO YOU, CHIEF GARCIA, IS THAT YOU ARE ONE OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVES COME TO SEE US REGULARLY, UH, THAT YOU CAN UPDATE US, UH, EVEN IF IT'S FOR 10 MINUTES TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON, AND HAVE THAT REGULARLY SCHEDULED, WHETHER IT'S QUARTERLY OR EVERY SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER, IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION SO THAT WE CAN EITHER BE PART OF IT OR AHEAD OF IT WITH YOU.
SO I ASK THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.
NO, I MEAN, TO THAT POINT, I, IT'S OFTEN IT'S AN EASY, AN EASY ANSWER.
I MEAN, STARTING WITH THIS, WITH THIS PRESENTATION, WE WILL BE BACK PERIODICALLY, UH, TO ADVISE THE BOARD WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, CERTAINLY, UM, WE JUST, WE JUST EXPLAINED TO THE BOARD WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE AND WHAT WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT.
NO, AND I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I, I GUESS ONCE WE HAVE A DIRECTOR IN PLACE, MAYBE WE CAN GET A CALENDAR WHERE IT'S JUST A, A REGULARLY SCHEDULED BRIEFING, HOW OFTEN IT'S DETERMINED TO BE NECESSARY.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE CAN COMPLETELY FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY I, I WANT TO COME IN WITH THE PRODUCT, UH, WITH SOME MEAT ON THE TABLE FOR YOU WITH REGARDS TO WHERE WE'RE AT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST MEETING TO MEET.
UH, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AS I FIND OUT INFORMATION AND WE'RE WORKING TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, FOR TRAINING OR THE NEXT AREA THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KEEP IT A SECRET.
UM, AND TO BE FRANK, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF THINGS WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LET THE RIGHT HAND KNOW WHAT THE LEFT HAND'S DOING.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS AN ARENA IN AN AREA WHERE OUR COMMUNITY, WHERE OUR CITY NEEDS TO KNOW, UM, AT EVERY JUNCTURE HOW THIS DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO BE BETTER.
AND SO, TO YOUR POINT, UH, MR. HIGGINS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP, UH, YOU APPRAISED OF OUR PROGRESS AND OUR NEXT STEPS, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE OUR CREDIBLE MESSENGERS AS WELL IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, FOR THAT PROCESS TO TAKE PLACE.
BOARD MEMBER SMITH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THANK YOU, CHAIR.
UH, CHIEF, I, I, I WANT TO FOLLOW ON TO BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS QUESTION MAYBE TO GAIN SOME CLARITY.
AND I THINK PROBABLY, UH, WHAT,
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UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS IS TRYING TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT OR BRING FLESH OUT IS, YOU MENTIONED THAT IN YOUR FRAMEWORK YOU'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY COMPONENT.UM, YOU HAVE YOUR SMES, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND THOSE SMES HAVE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, KNOWLEDGE FROM OTHER, UM, LOCALES, AND THEY'LL BRING THAT AND ALLOW US TO DO, OR YOUR DEPARTMENT TO DO THE SELF-ASSESSMENT AND BE PROACTIVE.
SO CAN YOU GUYS, UH, MAYBE FURTHER ELABORATE ON THAT COMMUNITY COMPONENT? HOW WILL YOU GO ABOUT FINDING THOSE PEOPLE? WHAT WILL BE THEIR ROLE? HOW OFTEN WILL YOU ENGAGE THEM? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, WILL THERE BE A DUPLICATIVE ACTION FROM THIS COMMUNITY, UH, BOARD OR UNIT THAT'S SET UP VERSUS WHAT WE DO AND HOW, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CLARITY NEEDS TO COME.
I THINK THAT ONGOING CONTINUING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL FOR THE SUCCESS OF THIS OPERATION.
AND I ALSO VIEW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR Y'ALL TO BE OUR LOUD PIECE, OUR MICROPHONES, OUR, OUR MEGAPHONES TO AMPLIFY OUR MESSAGE.
AND SO TO THAT END, I CAN SEE THAT AS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP, AS HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO COMMUNICATE WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE DOING, UM, TO THE PUBLIC AND TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS CHAIR.
JUST QUICK, SO ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU SELECTING THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE, THIS COMMUNITY GROUP VERSUS US? WELL, IT ISN'T NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, WE'RE IGNORING, UM, THE COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY, UH, THE REALITY OF IT IS WE'RE NOT TAKING DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD WITH REGARDS TO HOW WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THIS.
I JUST, I REALLY JUST WANNA BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT TAKING DIRECTION, UH, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS NOT AS WE REPORT OUT AND THAT THERE IS A BROAD POLICY ISSUE, UH, THAT YOU ALL QUESTION OR HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
UH, WE CERTAINLY ARE NOT GONNA IGNORE THAT, AND WE'LL STILL BRING THAT BACK TO THE CRIMINOLOGIST, UH, INTO, INTO, UH, AND TO LOOK INTO THAT, UM, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE SEVERITY OF IT AND THE CULTURE ISSUES BEHIND IT, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE, WE CERTAINLY CAN SEE HOW WE'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I HAVE, UH, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES, UH, JOHN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS, AND, AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T GONNA TAKE DIRECTION FROM US.
WE, WE, WE, WE GET THAT PART OF IT.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE'RE ASKING TO BE AT THE TABLE WHEN THE MENU IS BEING MADE SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE INPUT.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S BEING SAID OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, AND PEOPLE WHO KNOW WE'RE A PART OF THE BOARD, THEY COME TO US, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO YOU, BUT AS CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO US.
THEY CAN WALK UP TO US AT ANY COMMUNITY EVENT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND BEING A PART OF THIS BOARD, WE GOTTA FIND A WAY TO GET THAT BACK TO YOU SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T LOOK AT THIS BOARD AS JUST BEING, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
A STIFF TYPE OF BOARD THAT DOESN'T REALLY GET ANYTHING ACCOMPLISHED OTHER THAN YOU COME UP HERE AND GET YOUR THREE MINUTES AND HOPE THAT SOMEBODY AROUND HERE IS REALLY LISTENING AND TAKING DOWN THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IT IS THAT WAS BOTHERING THEM, WHOEVER THAT INDIVIDUAL WAS, THAT'S THEIR REALITY.
SO WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW, WHY, AND WHEN AND HOW TO BEST FIX IT.
SO THAT'S, WE JUST WANNA FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE IN THAT.
AND EVEN IT MAY BE EVEN SOMETHING YOU JUST HAVE TO TALK ABOUT AND CREATE, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE THERE.
AND US BEING THE FACE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE ONE THAT'S GONNA TAKE THE HIT FIRST, WE JUST GOTTA KNOW HOW.
SO THAT'S A FANTASTIC POINT THAT YOU MAKE.
I WILL SAY THIS, WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE BROAD POLICY TRAINING, UM, AND CONDUCT THAT WE'VE SEEN NATIONALLY, YOU KNOW, GET DEPARTMENTS UNDER CONSENT DECREES AND PATTERNS OF PRACTICE INVESTIGATIONS.
THAT IS OUR, THAT IS OUR PRIORITY.
THAT IS WHY THIS UNIT WAS ESTABLISHED, IS TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE OUR WAY FROM A BROAD SENSE, FROM A CULTURAL SENSE, UH, FROM A POLICY SENSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS, PARTICULARLY AS I REALLY DO LOOK AT THIS OPPORTUNITY AS A RESET, UH, FOR US ALL, IS THE FACT THAT PARTICULARLY, UM, AS WE BRING IN, UH, A NEW
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DIRECTOR WORKING WITH A NEW CHAIR, IS THAT THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, I'VE BEEN A, I'VE BEEN A COP FOR 32 YEARS.UM, I HAVE NOT BEEN A POLICE OFFICER WITHOUT SOME SORT OF OVERSIGHT, WHETHER IN CALIFORNIA OR HERE, UH, THROUGHOUT MOST OF MY CAREER.
AND CONVERSATIONS AND COMMUNICATION, UM, IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT NEEDS TO, AND I FEEL UNDER THE LEADERSHIP AND AS A RESET, I THINK WILL IMPROVE BECAUSE THE CONVERSATIONS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, ISN'T NECESSARILY ABOUT A CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT.
IT'S ABOUT YOU ALL HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
AND WHEN I MEET WITH THE, THE CHAIR, AS I DO PERIODICALLY, AS I ALWAYS HAVE, UH, AND WHEN I MEET MORE PERIODICALLY WITH THE DIRECTOR, THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS WHEREVER THEY'RE AT, WHETHER THEY'RE IN MY OFFICE, WHETHER THEY'RE OVER LUNCH OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT THOSE GET TO ME.
AND SO THAT THEN I CAN ACT UPON THEM.
AND SO I DON'T WANT THIS TO LOOK AT NECESSARILY AS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DEALING WITH THE BROADER DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO SPECIFIC COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN THAT ARE REAL TO PEOPLE, UM, THAT I AM COMPLETELY OPEN AND I HAVE INVITED, SINCE I'VE BEEN A, I, THIS IS MY EIGHTH YEAR OF BEING A POLICE CHIEF, UM, WHETHER HERE IN CALIFORNIA YOU'RE HERE.
AND I INVITE ANY DIRECTOR OR BOARD CHAIR TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH ME AND WITH MY CHIEF OF STAFF SO THAT WE CAN HELP ADDRESS THOSE.
AND SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT TYPE OF ISSUE, THOSE ARE THE AREAS I BELIEVE IN A RESET THAT WE'RE HAVING THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS NEED TO BE HAD SO THAT I CAN ADDRESS THEM.
BOARD MEMBER ALLISON SMITH, CHIEF, THANK YOU.
I, WHEN WE HEARD THAT WE WOULD GET A BRIEFING ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT, THERE WAS A LOT OF SPECULATION ABOUT WHAT THE OVERLAP WAS BETWEEN IA AND CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING AND OUR MISSION.
AND I THINK THAT I'M GETTING TO A PLACE WHERE I'VE SORT OF DISAMBIGUATED IT, AND SO I WANT YOU TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
UM, IA OBVIOUSLY DEALS WITH COMPLAINTS ON A VERY GRANULAR LEVEL, OFFICER TO OFFICER INCIDENT TO INCIDENT.
AND THIS CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, REPRESENTS SORT OF AN ONGOING COMMUNICATION WITH NATIONAL THOUGHT LEADERS AND, UM, TO ESTABLISH BEST PRACTICES BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER EXPERTS.
AND, AND IT'S JUST SORT OF LIKE, AS I WOULD THINK OF IT WITH MY, MY LEGAL EDUCATION, IT'S SORT OF CLE, RIGHT? IT'S HOW CONTINUING EDUCATION, IT'S HOW YOU GUYS CONNECT WITH, UM, THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND ESTABLISH AND KEEP IN LINE WITH BEST PRACTICES TO SORT OF HEAD OFF ANY KIND OF CONSENT DECREES.
AND SO, AS, AS FOR THAT, THIS WOULD BE MORE, I, I SUPPOSE, FOCUSED ON NATIONAL STANDARDS AND NATIONAL TRENDS, MAKING SURE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE BEST THOUGHT IN THE INDUSTRY, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE VERY ACCURATE.
I, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY THIS, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS NOT TO GET THE CITY INTO CONSENT DECREE.
I'LL SAY IT IS TO TREAT, IT'S TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE OUR WAY TO ENSURE IT'S A BENEFIT, THOUGH, RIGHT? TO NOT HAVE A CONSENT DECREE.
I'M JUST SAYING THE GOAL IS TO BE A MODEL DEPARTMENT.
THE GOAL IS TO HAVE PATTERNS AND PRACTICES AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND TRAINING THAT TREAT OUR RESIDENTS, UH, IN THE BEST WAY A POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN.
SO OBVIOUSLY RECOGNIZING THAT IF WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN YES, THAT COULD GET A CITY OF DEPARTMENT, UH, IN, IN ISSUES WHICH WE DO WANNA AVOID, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE.
THAT'S, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEN THIS DEPARTMENT, OR IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF DEPARTMENT IS THE, THE RIGHT WAY TO UNIT, UNIT UNIT, OKAY.
THIS UNIT IS NOT REALLY IN COMPETITION WITH WHAT WE DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY A CON A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THE WAY THAT THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
YOU'RE, THIS CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT IS MORE A CONVERSATION WITH THE THOUGHT LEADERS IN THE INDUSTRY, RIGHT? I WOULD SAY THAT'S ACCURATE.
WE ARE ABSOLUTELY, UH, NOT DUPLICATING EFFORT.
THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS DIFFERENT.
AND SO IT'S NOT THE KIND OF UNIT THAT WOULD HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE KIND OF UNIT THAT WOULD INVITE FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY IN, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST
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NOT THE PART OF POLICING AND OVERSIGHT THAT THIS REPRESENTS.I THINK ALL THREE DIFFERENT TYPES ARE NEEDED.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST THE PORTION OF POLICING AND CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING WHERE YOU STUDY THE BEST KNOWLEDGE AND BEST PRACTICES WITHIN POLICING.
RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE IS SOME STAKEHOLDER, UH, INVOLVEMENT.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT YOU'RE ON THE, BUT YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
BUT IN YOUR SLIDES WHERE YOU LOOK AT STAKEHOLDERS, MOSTLY THE STAKEHOLDERS YOU'RE IDENTIFYING AS LEAST AS FAR AS THIS OFFICE IS CONCERNED ARE POLICE OFFICERS AND EXPERTS.
AND BY EXPERTS, I MEAN SOFT SCIENCE EXPERTS, CRIMINOLOGISTS, CRIMINAL JUSTICE PEOPLE, THAT SORT OF UNIVERSITY FOLKS.
RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE EXPERTS.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UM, STAKEHOLDERS LIKE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS OR GROUPS OR ACTIVISTS OR POLICE ASSOCIATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, JUST DEPARTMENT BRASS AND, AND SORT OF UNIVERSITY LEVEL THINKERS.
UM, DID ANYONE ELSE BOARD MEMBER BEFORE, BEFORE YOU'VE SPOKEN ALREADY, UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE? AND, UH, IF WE COULD LIMIT, 'CAUSE JUST YOUR TIME.
BUT I, I GUESS PIGGYBACKING OFF THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ENGAGEMENT, BUT I THOUGHT YOUR SLIDE SAID THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, SO YEAH, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT.
SO, SO THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT TO, TO CLARIFY IS LOOKING AT OVERALL SYSTEMS IN THE DEPARTMENT AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE, MAKE THEM MORE DATA-DRIVEN, EFFICIENT, ET CETERA.
AND SO THE STAKEHOLDER, AND, AND TO DO THAT, WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THIRD PARTY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, ALL THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT COMES IN BECAUSE WE WANT TO SHARE OUR MISSION, LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT THIS PART DEPARTMENT IS DOING.
AND THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ALL OR ANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE FEEDBACK OR KNOW OF ANY GAPS AS IT RELATES TO, HEY, CAN THE LANGUAGE IN OUR POLICIES BE CLEAR? CAN THIS SYSTEM BE MORE DATA-DRIVEN, MORE EFFICIENT? WE WELCOME ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK AND ARE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THEN I THINK IT WAS, UM, YOU WHO MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY ALL THE TIME AND FANTASTIC AMBASSADORS, AND SO WE WANT TO ENLIST ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT.
PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTERS, SPREAD THE WORD AS YOU HEAR OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE HAPPY TO COME PRESENT TO WHOMEVER AND SHARE THIS MESSAGE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMES IN.
AND JUST AN ADDED LAYER OF TRANSPARENCY.
AGAIN, BE OUR WEBSITE, SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER.
LET US KNOW IF YOU NOTICE ANY GAPS AS IT RELATES TO SYSTEMS IN THE DEPARTMENT.
CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THAT SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FIRST OF ALL, I WASN'T PLEASED WITH THE TERM CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING BECAUSE CONSTITUTIONAL HAS BEEN MISUSED IN THE PAST, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT NOW YOU HAVE EXPLAINED IT WELL, AND I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THAT IT EXISTS.
IT'S APPARENT THAT CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT IS INTERNAL.
WE, ON THE OTHER HAND ARE EXTERNAL, AND THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE.
OUR JOB IS TO GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE THE COMMUNITY COME INTO US FOR LIAISON THROUGH YOU ALL.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, AS YOU SAID THAT, UH, YOU DO NOT REPORT TO THE BOARD, BUT LIKEWISE, THIS BOARD DOES NOT REPORT TO YOU.
AND I WANT THAT MADE CLEAR AS WELL.
'CAUSE WE HAVE HAD THAT ISSUE BROUGHT BEFORE US BEFORE IN THE PAST.
AND SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
UM, THIS IS A DIFFERENT POSITION FOR ME.
LAST TIME I SAW YOU, I WAS JUDGED.
UM, VERY GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COULD WE HAVE THE NAMES OF THE PRESENTERS, UH, JUST SO WE HAVE IT ON RECORD.
I, I DIDN'T CATCH IT THE FIRST TIME.
MY NAME IS LIEUTENANT JULIO GONZALEZ AND CHIEF EDDIE GARCIA.
I DON'T THINK HE NEEDS INTRODUCTION, BUT WITHOUT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, I WANNA CONCLUDE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
AND, AND THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.
AND I DO HOPE THAT MAYBE WE CAN KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING AND, AND, UH, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH ABOUT WHEN WILL BE ANOTHER TIME FOR YOU TO COME BACK, GIVE AN UPDATE, UH, BECAUSE IT IS VERY INTERESTING AND I THINK A LOT OF, UH, THE LIGHT BULB I THINK WENT OFF, UH, FOR A LOT OF US TODAY, UM, ABOUT THE ROLE AND, AND FUNCTION OF THIS, UH, DEPARTMENT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR YOUR TIME.
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AGENDA ITEM THREE, UH, B UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE AT THIS POINT TO AGENDA ITEM THREE C.UH, THAT'S QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS WITH DALLAS POLICE CHIEF EDDIE GARCIA.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE MEETING WE DID HAVE, UH, WITH CHIEF GARCIA, I WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH HIM AND, AND, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, AND I ASKED IF HE WOULD BE OPEN TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE BOARD.
AND HE GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED, UH, THAT REQUEST, UH, AS A COURTESY TO HIM, WANTED TO SEND HIM, UM, THESE QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE, UH, AND, UH, LET HIM THINK THROUGH IT AND, AND GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A CLEAR RESPONSE.
AND SO HE HAS THE LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT PREPARED SOME BY THE OFFICE AND ALSO SOME BY, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS.
HE'LL WALK THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A TIME, UH, AT THE END, UH, IF, IF ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAS ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, UH, TO THAT, UH, AND THE, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE.
BUT THE CHAIR WOULD NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UH, DALLAS POLICE CHIEF EDDIE GARCIA, UH, TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE SENT TO HIM.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, TO MY LEFT IS MY CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEF, UH, MONIQUE, ALEX.
UM, ONE OF THE DYNAMICS, AGAIN, I'LL SAY THIS, THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME, UH, THAT I'LL BE HERE WHEN THERE'S QUE IF THERE'S QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS ADVANTAGE, JUST SO WE CAN BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT.
UH, BUT CERTAINLY AS WE TALK ABOUT RESET, UM, I, I CERTAINLY WILL BE HERE MORE, UH, MORE OFTEN.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, I HAD A SERIES OF QUESTIONS.
I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE AN OP OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR SOME FOLLOW UPS AT THE END.
AGAIN, RECOGNIZING THAT THIS WILL, UH, THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME.
UH, THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I RECEIVED WAS, WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE ARE SOME OF DPDS BIGGEST AREAS TO IMPROVE, AND HOW ARE YOU WORKING TO ADDRESS THESE AREAS? WELL, OBVIOUSLY WHAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT, WE'RE GOING TO REALLY SEE WHAT OUR BIGGEST AREAS TO IMPROVE OUR, AND I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST GOT TO DALLAS, UH, WE IMPLEMENTED, UH, WELL, WHEN WE, SINCE THE TIME WE'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED STUDIES ON THE TWO MOST POLARIZING ISSUES THAT I BELIEVE IN AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH REGARDS TO USE OF FORCE AND WITH REGARDS TO RACIAL PROFILING.
AND WE'VE STUDIED OURSELVES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, AND THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF AREAS THAT WE NEED TO SEE.
WE NEED TO STUDY OURSELVES AND TO UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE I'M COMING FROM WHEN MY HEART IS, IS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WRONG BEFORE WE CAN FIX IT.
UM, I AM NOT A FAN OF BROAD UH, ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE ISSUES THAT OTHERS DON'T.
OTHERS HAVE ISSUES THAT WE DON'T.
UH, AND SO WE NEED TO SEE SPECIFICALLY WHERE OUR ISSUES LIVE IN ORDER FOR US TO IMPROVE.
UH, I'LL TELL YOU, STAFFING IS AN AREA WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON.
UH, AND WHEN I SAY STAFFING IS AN AREA TO IMPROVE ON, I'M NOT SIMPLY TALKING ABOUT TO IMPROVE ON WITH REGARDS TO CALLS FOR, TO, FOR RESPONSE TIMES, UH, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE STRESS ON OUR OFFICERS, UH, AS, UH, WE ARE NOT STAFFED WHERE WE SHOULD BE, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BURNOUT OF MY POLICE OFFICERS THAT EARLIER, YOU KNOW, TODAY, UH, WE WERE BEEN, BEEN ABLE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M SURE YOU WILL ALL BE HAPPY AS WELL, THAT WITH REGARDS TO VIOLENT CRIME BEING DOWN CONSIDERABLY IN THE CITY IN THE FIRST QUARTER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO THINK OF THAT.
UM, AND I'LL GET TO ANOTHER QUESTION LATER WITH REGARDS TO THE STRESS AND THE BURNOUT.
OUR OFFICERS, I'LL TELL YOU, IF YOU HAVE A, A FRESH OFFICER, IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICER THAT, UH, IS FEELING WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HAPPY COMMUNITY MEMBER.
UH, AND SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
WE NEED SUPERVISION, UH, AND STAFFING ENABLED SUPERVISION.
I NEED MY SERGEANTS OUT ON THE STREET, AND THERE IS, SINCE I STARTED IN THE EARLY NINETIES, I CAN'T EVEN QUANTIFY, UH, THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF WORK THAT OUR PATROL SERGEANTS NEED TO ADMINISTRATIVELY HAVE TO HAVE TO INCUR.
AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, I, THEY CAN'T BE OUT IN THE FIELD AS MUCH AS I NEED THEM TO BE.
UH, AND WITH INCREASED STAFFING, YOU HAVE INCREASED SUPERVISION.
AND I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THIS BOARD, UH, THAT WE ALL KNOW WHEN CRITICAL INCIDENTS OCCUR IN ANY LARGE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE QUICKER A SUPERVISOR GETS ON SCENE, UH, THE MORE LIKELY THAT THAT INCIDENT DOES NOT END IN CRISIS.
UH, AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STAFFING AND WE TALK ABOUT, UH, BEING A BETTER POLICE DEPARTMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY, AGAIN, IT'S NOT SIMPLY ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES, ALTHOUGH THOSE ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
UH, IT'S ABOUT ENSURING, UH, THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE NOT AS STRESSED AS NOT, ARE NOT BURNED OUT, AND ENSURING THAT I HAVE SUPERVISION OUT IN THE FIELD.
IN ADDITION, UH, STAFFING FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE, UM, LISTEN, YOU ALL KNOW, I'M, I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT I'M NOT A STAY IN THE OFFICE KIND OF CHIEF, AND THERE'S NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTED BY CRIME IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, REGARDLESS OF RACIAL MAKEUP, UH, DEMO, UH, RACIAL MAKEUP, ECONOMIC STATUS THAT I HAVE EVER HEARD.
WE WANNA SEE LESS OF YOU IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT, IT, IT'S NOT HAPPENED ONCE.
UH, AND I'M IN YEAR FOUR HERE, UH, AND IN FACT, THERE'S UNFORTUNATELY SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY VIOLENT CRIME THAT I, I INVITE YOU, ANY OF YOU TO COME TO MY MEETINGS THAT WILL LET
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ME HAVE IT IF I'M NOT PROVIDING, UH, ENOUGH POLICE SERVICES AND THEY DON'T SEE POLICE OFFICERS ON THEIR STREET.SO, FOR A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE AND AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY AS SAFE, AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE, THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WITH THE PRESENCE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO STUDY OURSELVES, UH, AND WE WILL FIND THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON.
UH, NUMBER TWO WAS, HOW DOES, UH, DPD CURRENTLY GAUGE PUBLIC OPINION ABOUT ITS POLICIES AND PRACTICES FROM THE COMMUNITY? WELL, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU THIS, AND YOU KNOW, IF I CONTINUE AT THIS PACE, I GUESS WE WON'T GET OUTTA HERE TILL 10.
SO I'LL TRY TO, I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THESE.
UM, BUT WE'RE OUT THERE, WE'RE VISIBLE.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE PERSONALLY, I DO COMMUNITY WALKS.
WE IN, IN PARTICULARLY IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY CRIME, I KNOCK ON DOORS.
UH, AND I'M USUALLY IN PLAIN CLOTHES.
SO WHEN THEY GET PAST THE FACT THAT I HAVE TATTOOS AND THEY SEE WHO I AM, AND THEY'VE RECOGNIZE THEY'VE INVITED ME, UH, IN THEIR HOUSE, HAVE CONVERSATIONS, UH, WE FILL OUT SURVEYS, WE TALK TO THEM, AND WE FIND OUT FROM REAL LIFE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT.
AND I'LL TELL YOU IN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT I HAVE BEEN THROUGH, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY VIOLENT CRIME, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE, THE, THE RESOUNDING NUMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY SUPPORTS WHAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
I'M NOT GONNA STAND HERE AND TELL YOU WE'RE PERFECT, WE'RE NOT.
UM, AND I WILL HOLD MY PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN I NEED TO.
UM, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY OFFICERS, UM, ARE DOING INCREDIBLE WORK.
AND THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATES THEM.
YOU KNOW, OUR MPOS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING OFFICERS, WHEN WE'RE OUT IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, WE'RE HAVING THESE REAL LIFE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WITH OUR RESIDENTS, AND WE ADAPT, UH, TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A SUB QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO, DO WE ADAPT OUR PRACTICES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF SPECIFIC COMMUNITIES OR ALL COMMUNITIES HANDLED WITH THE SAME APPROACH? AND THAT ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY NOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU THE ONE EXAMPLE.
UH, WHEN WE STARTED OUR VIOLENT CRIME PLAN, YOU KNOW, TO BE A GRID, UH, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LED THE CITY OF DALLAS IN INCIDENTS OF MURDER, ROBBERY, OR AGGRAVATED ASSAULT.
THE NUMBER ONE GRID WHEN WE BEGAN OUR CRIME PLAN NEARLY THREE YEARS AGO, WAS 35 50 EAST OVERTON.
AND WHEN WE BEGAN OUR OUTREACH AT 35 50 EAST OVERTON, UM, THERE WAS A LACK OF COMMUNITY TRUST IN THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND IT WAS VISIBLE BECAUSE WE HAD OUR FIRST COMMUNITY OUTING, AND NO ONE SHOWED UP, BUT WE KEPT TRYING.
WE HAD OUR SECOND COMMUNITY OUTING, AND I BELIEVE THREE TO FIVE PEOPLE SHOWED UP.
AND JUST AROUND EASTER, UH, WE HAD ANOTHER COMMUNITY EVENT THERE.
AND AS WE STAND HERE TODAY, THE NUMBER ONE GRID IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHEN WE BEGAN THE CRIME PLAN IN, IN 35 50 EAST OVERTON IS NO LONGER A GRID, UH, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND 200 PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO THAT EVENT.
SO THAT MESSAGE, REALLY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DO WE ADAPT OUR PRACTICES, POLICIES, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, WE KNOW WE NEED TO TAKE THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT OFF OUR STREETS AND THOSE THAT ARE IMPACTING, UH, FAMILIES, UH, BUT MY OFFICERS AND MY OUTREACH, UH, OFFICERS AND MY NPOS AND MY COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, UH, AND WORKING WITH THE OFFICES OF INTEGRATED PER, UH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS AND KEVIN ODIN'S GROUP HAS, HAS BUILT TRUST INTO THAT COMMUNITY THAT WAS NOT THERE WHEN WE STARTED.
SO, AGAIN, AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS RESOUNDING NO.
WE TREAT NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, DIFFERENTLY WITH REGARDS TO UNDERSTANDING AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT ARE NOT GONNA STAND AT ATTENTION WHEN A POLICE OFFICER IN UNIFORM WALKS IN THE DOOR THAT YOU HAVE TO EARN THAT TRUST.
UH, AND THAT TRUST HAS BEEN LOST HISTORICALLY THROUGH THE YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN OUR OWN WORST ENEMY.
UH, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE, WE RECOGNIZE, AND THIS DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZES THAT IT DOES NEED TO IMPROVE, THAT MY ASSOCIATIONS RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE AND THAT THEY WORK WITH US.
UH, AND THAT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UH, QUESTION THREE WAS ONE OF THE NATIONWIDE PROVINCE PLAGUE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS IS A SHORTAGE OF APPLICANTS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, I KNOW THIS IS FROM, FROM SOME, A BOARD QUESTION.
I KNOW DPDS RECRUITMENT NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN YOU WANT.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THIS IS? WELL, HONESTLY, I CAN'T, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT LACK OF, THIS IS NOT A DALLAS ISSUE.
IF SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE MAJOR CITY CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, AND I'LL TELL YOU, THERE'S NOT A MAJOR CITY IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY THAT'S NOT DEALING WITH RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION ISSUES.
UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN PRESIDENT BIDEN'S, EXECUTIVE ORDER RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MA THE ISSUES, UH, THAT AGAIN, THAT EVEN AT, IN OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THAT THEY RECOGNIZE AND REALIZE.
UH, BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS AND IS THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND AGAIN, SAYING WE'RE NOT PERFECT, UH, BUT HONORABLE MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS PROFESSION HAVE FELT VILIFIED.
UH, THEY HAVE NOT FELT SUPPORTED.
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YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT TYPE OF RHETORIC THAT OCCURS, THAT IS A MAJOR DISCONNECT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I GO.UM, BUT MY OFFICERS HEAR THAT APPLICANTS HEAR THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD IN 1991.
AND I, I DON'T REALLY, I DON'T CARE WHAT PROFESSION YOU'RE IN, BUT IF YOU'RE AN HONORABLE INDIVIDUAL THAT FEELS VILIFIED, THAT DOESN'T FEEL SUPPORTED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ISSUES RECRUITING.
I FEEL SPECI, PARTICULARLY HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, THAT I THINK, I FEEL THE PENDULUM IS SWINGING.
UH, THERE IS TREMENDOUS SUPPORT HERE IN THE CITY.
I DON'T LOOK, ACCOUNTABILITY, UH, DOES NOT MEAN LACK OF SUPPORT.
AND SO CERTAINLY I FEEL THAT, UM, AND, BUT WE NEED TO IMPROVE THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
UH, THE MORE WE IMPROVE THAT, THE MORE APPLICANTS ARE GONNA TAKE PART OF THIS NOBLE, HONORABLE PROFESSION THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS NEED.
UH, THEY NEED HONORABLE MEN AND WOMEN, UH, PATROLLING THEIR STREETS AND BEING INVISIBLE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, UM, RETENTION STRATEGIES.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A MYRIAD OF, OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO INCENTIVIZE INDIVIDUALS, NOT JUST TO BE RECRUITED, BUT RETENTION.
UM, WE ARE, WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING PRACTICES, THERE ARE AREAS IN OUR RECRUITMENT THAT ARE OUTLIERS THAT WERE OUTLIERS WITH REGARDS TO MAJOR CITIES IN THE STATE, UM, THAT IF WE DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES AS WELL, NOT ONLY WITH THE HELP RECRUITING, BUT THEY'LL HELP RETENTION AS WELL.
SO WE'RE WORKING THAT ON THAT.
AND THEN ONE, UH, ONE CONCERN THAT'S BEEN RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY.
ANOTHER QUESTION IS, SOME OFFICERS JOIN A NEW DEPARTMENT WITH PRIOR RECORDS OF MISCONDUCT AND COMPLAINTS THAT ARE NOT VOLUNTARILY SHARED BY THEIR OLD DEPARTMENTS.
HOW DOES DPD ADDRESS THIS CONCERN? WELL, PREVIOUSLY, AND IT'S, IT'S ABOUT TO, TO TO CHANGE, BUT THERE WAS A FORM THAT'S CALLED THE F FIVE, AND THE F FIVE HAS TO GET FILLED, HAD TO GET FILLED OUT EVERY TIME AN OFFICER IS SEPARATED FROM SERVICE.
AND THE F FIVE HAS THREE CATEGORIES.
THEY HAVE HONORABLE GENERAL OR DISHONORABLE.
AND GENERALLY, IF OFFICERS ARE LEAVING THE DEPARTMENT WHILE UNDER INVESTIGATION OR BECAUSE THEY GOT TERMINATED, BECAUSE OF, UH, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING, UH, THAT THE BOX DISHONORABLE WILL BE CHECKED.
AND THAT'S HOW GENERALLY DEPARTMENTS, UH, WOULD BE ABLE TO TRACK OFFICERS, UH, GOING FROM DEPARTMENT, TRYING TO FIND A HOME AFTER THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE SOME MISCONDUCT.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT, AND, AND THAT GOES TO TCO NOW THAT THE F THE F FIVE, WHICH IS WHAT IS CALLED, IS GONNA BE NO LONGER IN PLACE.
UH, WE STILL, THE DEPARTMENT MUST STILL COMPLY WITH SENATE BILL 1445.
THE TCO REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, UH, IN OCCUPATION CODE SECTION 1701 0.4535, REGARDING PERSONNEL FILES AND SECTION 1701 0.4522, REGARDING MISCONDUCT INVESTIGATION AND HIRING, HIRING PROCEDURES, UH, WITHIN 30 DAYS OF SEPARATION, WE STILL HAVE TO REPORT TO T COLE, UH, THE MISCONDUCT OR THE REASONS WHY AN OFFICER, OFFICER SEPARATED.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENTS, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THE F FIVE, ONE OF THE REASONS THE F FIVE, UH, IS GOING AWAY IS TO ENSURE DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING THOROUGH BACKGROUND CHECKS, UH, ON THEIR POLICE OFFICERS TO ENSURE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE OFFICERS, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT THAT HAVE ISSUES.
ANOTHER CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY DEALS WITH MENTAL HEALTH.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT I KNOW OFFICER MENTAL HEALTH IS JUST AS IMPORTANT.
HOW REGULARLY DOES DPD ASSESS THE MENTAL HEALTH OF ITS OFFICERS? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, THIS IS SOME A BIG, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT THAT WE DID IN OUR MEN AND WOMEN WHERE WE CREATED AN OFFICER WELLNESS UNIT.
UH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT POLICE OFFICERS, UH, GO UNDER A LOT OF STRESS.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU SHOW ME A MENTALLY FIT POLICE OFFICER, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A HAPPY COMMUNITY MEMBER, UM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A HAPPY OFFICER, AND I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, A SUPPORT SYSTEM IN A FAMILY THAT THAT WOULD HELP.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE DEALT, UH, THAT, THAT UNIT, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT OFFICER WELLNESS IS IMPORTANT, BUT UNTIL I PUT RESOURCES TO THAT, TO THAT, TO THAT END, IT REALLY, THERE, THOSE ARE JUST WORDS.
AND SO WE CREATED A UNIT THAT HAS ONE LIEUTENANT, ONE SERGEANT, FIVE OFFICERS, WHERE THEIR SOLE JOB IS TO KEEP TRACK AND ASSESS THE MENTAL WELLNESS OF OUR OFFICERS.
UM, WE HAVE CHECKPOINT OFFICERS, WHICH ARE OFFICERS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT THAT WHEN, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOTIFIED WHEN CERTAIN OFFICERS GO TO CALLS THAT COULD BE VERY MENTALLY DRAINING.
UH, THOSE OFFICERS REACH OUT, UH, RESPECTED OFFICERS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT, THAT, THAT WE CALL 'EM CHECK-INS TO ENSURE THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE DOING WELL.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, CALLS LIKE HOMICIDES, SUICIDES, FATAL CRASHES, AND THE CHECKPOINTS, YOU KNOW, THEY INCLUDE REALLY AN UNSOLICITED CALL FROM A VETERAN OFFICER SIMPLY TO CHECK IN, UH, THE AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, RESOURCES WORKING, UH, WITH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND COUNSELORS TO, UH, ENSURE THAT, THAT OUR OFFICERS KNOW THAT THEY CAN COME FORWARD, UH, IF THEY'RE FEELING, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME, UH, IN, IN MENTAL DISTRESS, UH, TO GET THEM HELP, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'RE VERY,
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UH, THAT WE'RE VERY, UH, COGNIZANT OF.YOU KNOW, WE STARTED, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY, UH, FINANCIALLY, UM, OUR WELLNESS UNIT OFF, YOU KNOW, SURVEYS, OFFICERS TO CREATE NEW PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES FOR OFFICERS.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE REACHING OUT AND PROVIDING RESOURCES TO OUR OFFICERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CREATED WAS AN ALCOHOL RE REHABILITATION PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, WHEN, YOU KNOW, THAT IS AN, THAT IS AN AREA WHERE REALLY ALL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, NOT JUST US, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SUFFERS FROM, AND IF OFFICERS COME FORWARD, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEPENDENCY ISSUE WITH ALCOHOL BEFORE, AND LET ME PRE PREFACE THIS BEFORE THEY GET IN TROUBLE, UM, WE WILL PROVIDE THEM, UH, I PROVIDE THEM WITH 30 DAYS, UH, OF LEAVE.
UH, AND THROUGH THE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE THROUGH OUR WELLNESS UNIT, THEY GO TO AN IN-HOUSE, UH, PROGRAM.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN OVER A DOZEN OFFICERS THAT HAVE TAKEN PART IN THIS PROGRAM.
UH, AND MY BELIEF, UH, AGAIN, IS YOU EITHER PAY ON THE FRONT END OR YOU PAY ON THE BACK END.
THERE'S A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES AND FUNDING THAT WE PUT INTO OFFICERS.
UH, AND I DON'T WANNA WAIT FOR AN OFFICER TO GET IN TROUBLE, UM, IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE.
UM, AND SO, UH, THE, THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
I'M PROUD TO HAVE PROMOTED TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PASSED THAT PROGRAM.
UM, AND THAT, AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT REALLY LENDS TO THE FACT THAT, AND I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME, BUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE EARLY NINETIES WHEN I STARTED, IF AN OFFICER WENT TO A CALL AND THAT CALL, UM, YOU KNOW, MESSED HIM UP A LITTLE BIT, AND IF HE, AND IF HE, THAT, IF THAT OFFICER TURNED TO HIS PARTNER IN THE EARLY NINETIES AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT CALL, THAT CALL SCREWED ME UP A LITTLE BIT.
HIS PARTNER WOULD LOOK AT HIM AND SAY, YOU NEED TO SUCK IT UP.
AND IF THAT OFFICER WENT TO THEIR LIEUTENANT AND SAID THAT, THAT CALL MADE HIM FEEL SOME SORT OF WAY THAT LIEUTENANT WOULD'VE LOOKED AT THAT OFFICER IN THE EYE AND SAID, SON, MAYBE THIS JOB ISN'T RIGHT FOR YOU.
THAT'S HOW MENTAL HEALTH WAS LOOKED AT IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
UH, AND TO ME, THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CULTURAL CHANGES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT TODAY, THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY.
WE CAN'T LOOK AT, AT THAT, LOOK AT, AT THAT WAY.
UH, SO IN RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION, UH, WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY, UH, TO TRY TO BE A LEADER IN THAT ARENA.
UM, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS TEAM AND LOOKING AT WHAT BEST PRACTICES ARE AROUND TO ENSURE THAT OUR OFFICER'S MENTAL HEALTH IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT REALLY DO, DOES GO TO EVERYTHING THAT MYSELF AND YOU ARE ALL TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH REGARDS TO, UH, TREATMENT OF OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, FOURTH QUESTION IS, IN FEBRUARY, 2024, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE PERFORMED AN AUDIT OF DPD BODY-WORN CAMERA, AND IN CAMERA OPERATIONS, UH, ONE OF THE MODERATE RISK OBSERVATIONS DEALT WITH THE LACK OF FORMAL AND OR PERIODIC REFRESHER TRAINING SESSIONS.
WHAT STEPS HAS THE DEPARTMENT TAKEN SINCE FEBRUARY TO ADDRESS THE PERIODIC TRAINING ISSUE? WELL, WE PROVIDE YEARLY REFRESHER TRAINING FOR ALL OFFICERS.
THE TRAINING WILL INCLUDE RELEVANT UPDATES TO GENERAL ORDERS, BODY-WORN CAMERA OPERATIONS, AND REQUIRED PROCEDURES, UH, POLICE ONE TRAINING VIDEO, WHICH WAS RELEASED IN THE SUMMER OF 2024.
UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA TEAM IS ALSO WORKING ON CREATING TRAINING MATERIALS FOR IN-SERVICE TRAINING.
SO WE CERTAINLY, UH, KEEP UP ON THAT.
UH, NUMBER FIVE, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IS SOME, THIS IS THE QUESTION.
UH, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IS SOMETHING YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN RECEPTIVE TO AND SUPPORTIVE TOWARDS.
HOWEVER, IT'S NO SECRET THAT WE'VE HAD OUR DIFFICULTIES IN THE PAST YEAR.
UH, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY OF SOME FEEDBACK.
HOW HAS THE BOARD OVERSIGHT AIDED THE DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS TO, TO FUNCTION? WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU HAVE ASSISTED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED, YOU ASSISTED US, AND I KNOW DIFFERENT BOARD, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT IT ASSISTED US IN DEVELOPING A POLICY WITH, WITH REGARDS TO POSITIONAL ASPHYXIATION, UH, WHICH WAS A BIG ISSUE.
UH, I ALSO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE BOARD ASSISTED IN DRAFTING THE BODY-WORN CAMERA RELEASE POLICY.
AND, AND I'LL SAY THIS, UH, THAT YOU ALSO ASSISTED US IN THE LANE COMPLAINT, UH, BECAUSE THE REALITY OF IT IS THAT OVERSIGHT WORKED, UH, THAT WE MISSED SOMETHING.
UH, AND, AND YOU FOUND WHAT WE MISSED.
UH, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS CORRECTED AND TO HOLD, TO HOLD INDIVIDUAL CAPITALISTS, AND I'LL SAY THIS RIGHT NOW, WE WERE WRONG.
UH, WHEN MY OFFICERS ARE RIGHT, I WILL FIGHT FOR THEM WHEN WE'RE RIGHT, BUT WHEN WE'RE WRONG, WE'RE WRONG AND WE'LL HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
UH, AND IN THAT POSITION, OVERSIGHT WORKED.
THAT'S THE TYPE OF OVERSIGHT THAT I'M USED TO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY THIS, UM, IN, IN AN EFFORT.
I, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT WITH BETTER LINES OF COMMUNICATION, PARTICULARLY AS WE DESCRIBED MR. LANE'S CASE, UM, I THINK THERE, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME OUTCOME, UH, IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
UH, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THOSE LINES OF COMMUNI COMMUNICATIONS, UH, WILL CONTINUE.
HAS THE BOARD'S OVERSIGHT IMPAIRED THE DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS? NO.
YOUR, YOUR OVERSIGHT IS NOT IMPAIRED.
UH, MY, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY MISSION, UH, IT HAS NOT.
UM, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY MORE ENGAGED WITH THE RANK AND FILE THAN WE ARE.
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THEIR OVERALL ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE BOARD, THE OFFICE, AND OVERSIGHT IN GENERAL, IN THEIR EYES? ARE WE MORE HERO OR VILLAIN? IT'S NOT POSITIVE RIGHT NOW.UM, AGAIN, I'M, AND I'M BE HONEST, I YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET ME HERE TO TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TRUE.
UM, BUT I FEEL IF WE, AS A RESET THAT I THINK WE CAN GET THERE, UH, I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT MY OFFICERS AND I'LL, I'LL SAY MYSELF, UM, ARE CONCERNED, UH, WITH AT TIMES, UH, THAT TIMES WHETHER PEOPLE ARE HERE NOW OR WEREN'T, BUT THE TIME, THE BOARD'S APPROACH, UH, IN THE DUE PROCESS, UM, WITH REGARDS WHEN EVENTS HAPPEN, WHEN CRISIS HITS, AND IMMEDIATELY FORMING OPINION OPINIONS AND PUBLICLY POSTING THOSE OPINIONS, UH, BEFORE WE HAVE EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, TO INVESTIGATE, UM, THAT DOES NOT GIVE THIS BODY CRED CREDIBILITY WITH RANK AND FILE WHEN THEY FEEL THEY'RE GOING TO BE PREJUDGED ALREADY.
UM, ON ANY ISSUE, I'LL SAY THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD OF THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT OR MY RECORD, I CAN TELL YOU I HOLD MY PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.
UM, BUT THAT IS, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD ON.
UM, BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE IT.
I I, I, I GUESS ONE OF THE ASKS THAT I WOULD HAVE, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO THIS ON, ON RETREATS BEFORE, BUT IF THIS IS A QUESTION THAT'S POSED, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT JUST, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE GREAT, UH, IF ONE INDIVIDUAL SPOKE FOR THE BOARD INSTEAD OF HAVING THREE DIFFERENT VOICES THAT SAY THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, BECAUSE THAT DOES, WHEN THE OFFICERS READ THAT AND THEY FEEL THEY'RE BEING PREJUDGED, UM, THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS TO BE FAIR, THOROUGH, AND OBJECTIVE.
UH, AND CERTAINLY, UM, THE DAY OF, OR THE DAY AFTER A CRITICAL INCIDENT BEFORE THE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD EVEN TIME TO BEGIN AN INVESTIGATION, UM, HAS LED TO SOME CREDIBILITY ISSUES.
UH, THE OTHER DYNAMIC IS THAT I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN THE CHARTER WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT A LAW ENFORCEMENT TECHNICAL REVIEW PANEL, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M HOPEFUL MOVING FORWARD THAT THE BOARD, I HATE TO SAY CONSIDER BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CHARTER.
UM, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, THAT TECHNICAL REVIEW PANEL.
AND IF I CAN LEND ASSISTANCE IN ANY WAY, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ASSIST TO GET THAT, THAT THAT REVIEW PANEL IN A, IN A WAY THAT'S FAIR, THOROUGH AND OBJECTIVE THAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, WHEN IT'S IN THE CHARTER AND IT'S NOT BEING ADHERED TO, THAT CERTAINLY IS NOT GOING TO LEND ITSELF TO CREDIBILITY IN THE EYES OF THE RANK AND FILE.
UM, HOW DO OFFICERS, NEXT QUESTION IS HOW DO OFFICERS FIND OUT THE, THE LAW WHEN A RESIDENT THEY ARE IN INTERACTING, INTERACTING WITH, TELLS THE OFFICER? THERE'S A LAW THAT ALLOWS THAT.
WELL, AS YOU WELL KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE COULD BE A MYRIAD OF, OF, OF INDIVIDUALS WITH REGARDS, UM, THAT WILL CLAIM THAT THERE, THERE'S A CERTAIN LAW, UH, THAT EXISTS.
CERTAINLY OFFICERS CAN CONTACT A SUPERVISOR, UM, OR THE ON-CALL, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, UH, TO ENSURE THAT EITHER THERE ARE LAWS EXISTING OR NOT.
AND I'LL GET TO SOME OF THE TRAINING IN A SECOND.
YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT IS THE PROCESS THAT TRAINED, THAT'S TRAINED TO OFFICERS, BOTH NEW AND LONG-TERM OFFICERS? WELL, OUR OFFICERS RECEIVE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE TRAINING ON NEWS LAW ON NEW, ON NEW LAWS AS THEY COME UP.
BUT AGAIN, IT IS, I DON'T WANNA SAY LIMITED, BUT THERE IS A CERTAIN SCOPE THAT OUR OFFICERS RECEIVE THAT, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN THE NEXT QUESTION, I BELIEVE AFTER THIS QUESTION.
UM, NEXT ONE WAS, WHAT IS A POLICE DEPARTMENT HIERARCHY FOR ID FOR THE ID DEPARTMENT IN REPORTING STRUCTURE? WELL, THE ID COMMANDER, WHICH IS A MAJOR, UH, REPORTS DIRECTLY TO ME, UH, THE ID COMMANDER IS ASSIGNED TO LIEUTENANTS, NINE SERGEANTS, 19 DETECTIVES, SIX CIVILIAN STAFF, AND TWO POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, THE NEXT ONE, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR GIVING OFFICERS A RESOURCE TO VERIFY THE LAW? HOW HAS THE DEPARTMENT MADE SURE THAT THE DENELLE CASE CANNOT HAPPEN AGAIN? WELL, APART FROM THE LAW, LET ME JUST SAY, WE NEED TO DO OUR BEST TO ENSURE THAT ROOT CONDUCT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE DEPARTMENT, UH, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT AT ALL TIMES.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANT TO START WITH THAT.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY WITH THIS PARTICULAR LAW, YOU KNOW, PER OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UM, ALLIE'S LAW IS NOT CRIMINALLY ENFORCED BY DPD.
UM, HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE SECTION 33 41 0.081, PERMITS HOME ROOM MUNICIPALITIES AUTHORITY TO ENACT MORE STRINGENT ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER 3 41.
PER, PER, UM, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, CASEY BURGESS, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES A REQUIREMENT IN SECTION 3 41 0.069.
ACCORDING TO, ACCORDING TO THE ANALYSIS FOR HB FOUR 16, AL ALLY'S LAW RULEMAKING AUTHORITY IS WITH THE STATE OFFICER, DEPARTMENT, AGENCY, OR INSTITUTION.
SINCE SUCH AUTHORITY VESTS WITH THE EXECUTIVE COMMISSIONER, AND IN THE ABSENCE
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OF THE CITY ORDINANCE ENFORCEMENT FOR SECTION 3 41 0.069 FALLS TO THE STATE OR LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY.IF SO, DELEGATED, UH, THIS PROVISION WOULD NOT BE ENFORCED BY DPD.
IT'D BE THE DISCRETION ON WHETHER TO DOCUMENT A COMPLAINT OR REFER IT TO THE APPROPRIATE STATE OR LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY.
AND THAT'S THE, THE BEST LEGAL OPINION THAT, THAT WE RECEIVED.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I JUST WANT TO RE REMIND THAT DPD OFFICERS ARE TRAINED ON THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE SPECIFICALLY FOR NARCOTICS IN DALLAS, IN THE DALLAS POLICE ACADEMY, AND THEY'RE ALSO INSTRUCTED AND TESTED ON THE TEXAS PENAL CODE TRANSPORTATION CODE, CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE IN THE DALLAS CITY.
MUNICIPAL CODE OFFICERS WILL CREATE A MISCELLANEOUS INCIDENT REPORT, AND OFFICIAL COMPLAINT SHOULD BE MADE TO THE STATE HEALTH HEALTH DEPARTMENT BY THE COMPLAINANT.
THERE'S, THERE ARE LAWS ON THE BOOKS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY, UH, IDENTIFIED, UH, IN MUNICIPALITIES FOR TRAINING OF THEIR POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY AGAIN, UH, TO DO DUE DILIGENCE AND RESEARCH AND A FORWARD, UH, COMPLAINT SUCH AS THIS BY, BY WRITTEN REPORTS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT DPD HAS NOT ANSWERED A REQUEST FOR DATA IN THE THREE AND A HALF YEARS THE BOARD HAS EXISTED.
WHEN WILL WE START GETTING OUR REQUESTS HONORED? SO, YOU KNOW, LET ME PREFACE THIS WITH THE, THE MONITOR AND ANY MONITOR WAS GRANTED.
IT IS GRANTED UNFETTERED ACCESS TO IA PRO DATABASE REGARDING EXTERNAL COMPLAINTS, AS IS INDICATED IN THE ORDINANCE.
UH, ADDITIONAL DATA REQUESTS A LOT OUTSIDE THE SCOPE THAT ARE NOT, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE SHOULD FOLLOW THE TEXAS OPEN RECORDS ACT.
AND ONE OF THE DYNAMICS IS WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF THIS DATA, AND I'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE, SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT DATA WE'RE TRYING TO, TO GARNER, BECAUSE CERTAINLY AS THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUSHED OUT BY THIS BOARD, UM, WORKING TOGETHER OR HAVING A, UH, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF, IF THE, IF THE, THE REPORT'S GOING TO BE THERE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE PROBABLY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT CAN LEND LIGHT TO THAT REPORT.
HOWEVER, WE'RE ALSO GOVERNED BY CGIS, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN RULES ON CGIS THAT ONE, WHETHER IT'S, UH, TRAINING, TESTING, UH, THERE'S PERIODIC RECERTIFICATION AND THERE'S A PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, BACKGROUND CHECKS, ET CETERA, TO BE CGE CERTIFIED.
SO, AS WE WORK WITH CRIMINOLOGISTS, EVERY CRIMINOLOGIST THAT WE WORK WITH, EVERY OUTSIDE ENTITY WE WORK WITH HAS TO BE CGIS CERTIFIED, UH, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS HERE FOR US TO GIVE INFORMATION OUT THAT IS CONSIDERED HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL FOR THEM TO MAKE THEIR THEIR RESULTS.
THE ISSUE IS, IS GIVING CGIS INFORMATION IF THAT'S WHAT IS REQUESTED, EVEN IF THE ENTIRE BOARD WITH CGIS CERTIFIED CANNOT BE DISSEMINATED UNLESS IT'S TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE CEG CERTIFIED.
UH, AND SO AS INFORMATION COMES WITH REGARDS TO, AGAIN, BY ABIDING BY WHAT IS IN THE CHARTER WITH REGARDS TO WHAT EXACT, WHAT EXACTLY THE CHARTER DEPICTS OR STATES THAT THE BOARD IS, UH, IS TO RECEIVE, WE ALSO HAVE TO ABIDE BY CGIS REGULATIONS AND THE INFORMATION TO, TO PUT OUT, UM, THAT IS THE RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS I RECEIVED.
I KNOW THERE'LL BE A BE SOME Q THANK YOU Q AND A NOW.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU CHIEF GARCIA.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND I, I DO WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR, UH, TO BOARD MEMBERS.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE PRIORITY TO, UH, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT SENT QUESTIONS IN, UH, BOARD MEMBER ALLISON GRANTER, UH, ALLISON GRANTER ALLEN, UH, BOARD MEMBER D WADSWORTH, AND, UH, BOARD MEMBER JENGA HIGGINS, TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR QUESTIONS THAT WERE SENT, UM, BOARD MEMBER, UH, GRANTER ALLEN, I'D TO GIVE YOU THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME TO FOLLOW UP ON ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU SENT IN.
CHIEF, WHEN YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT I SUBMITTED, WHICH WAS, HOW CAN POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE UNCLEAR ABOUT THE LAW GET CLARIFICATION SO THAT SOMETHING LIKE THE DYNELL LANE CASE DOES NOT HAPPEN? AGAIN, YOU QUOTED A LOT OF STATUTES, BUT WHAT I PIECED TOGETHER WAS THAT YOU BELIEVE, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU BELIEVE THAT LEGALLY THE CORRECT PROCEDURE WAS FOLLOWED, THAT, THAT THE OFFICER HAD NO DUTY TO ALLOW MR. LANE ACCESS TO THE RESTROOM.
IS, DID I FOLLOW THAT CORRECTLY? SO, IN SPECIFIC, IN SPECIFIC TO THAT, UH, TO THAT IN PARTICULAR QUESTION, THE, THERE IS A MECHANISM THERE, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER CONVERSATION WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER.
HOWEVER, UH, THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER HANDLED BY
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WRITING A POLICE REPORT AND THEN FORWARDING IT TO THE PROPER, UH, TO THE PROPER INVESTIGATIVE AGENCY.HOW, HOW WOULD WRITING A POLICE REPORT HELP? WELL, IT WOULD HELP HOLDING THAT BUSINESS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT LAW.
UH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS PRIOR TO, UM, IF, AGAIN, WITH THE RESEARCH, IF OFFICERS HAD BETTER KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THAT LAW, THAT LAW IS, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW THAT, UH, THAT OFFICERS MAY NOT KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRAINED IN THAT LAW IN THE POLICE ACADEMY.
SO HAD THEY VERIFIED THAT THAT LAW EXISTED, THEN THEY CERTAINLY COULD HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER ADVISING THE BUSINESS OWNER THAT THIS IS A LAW, AND THEY COULD BE SUBJECT TO SOME SORT OF, OF, UH, PUNITIVE, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, ISSUE IF THEY DIDN'T ABIDE BY IT.
BUT ENFORCEMENT, ENFORCEMENT OF THAT LAW, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER SERVED BY WRITING A POLICE REPORT TO THE PROPER AGENCY TO REPORT THE BUSINESS OWNER, CORRECT.
UH, TO REPORT THE, THE BUSINESS, THE BUSINESS OWNER, YES.
AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP THAT WHEN THERE'S AN UNCERTAINTY IN A LAW, I, I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT THERE'S AN ON-CALL CITY ATTORNEY.
DO OFFICERS KNOW HOW TO REACH THAT ON-CALL CITY ATTORNEY? WELL, THEIR FIRST, THEIR FIRST WOULD BE THEIR SERGEANT, WOULD BE THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL THEY WOULD CALL, AND WE NEED, WOULD NEED TO ENSURE THAT OUR SERGEANTS ALSO KNOW THAT.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS LAW'S NOT ONE THAT POLICE ARE TRAINED ON, AND THERE ARE COUNTLESS LAWS AND NOT NOBODY CAN KNOW THEM ALL? I'M NOT, I, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T, UM, CRITICIZE.
I MEAN, MY JOB IS TO KNOW THE LAW AND I, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY I KNOW A 10TH OF THEM.
UM, SO IF THERE COMES A TIME WHEN A, AN OFFICER IS FACED WITH A CONFLICT IN LAW, YOU WOULD SAY THAT THEIR FIRST CALL IS TO THEIR SERGEANT, AND THEN THAT SERGEANT WOULD CALL THE ON-CALL CITY ATTORNEY.
THE SERGEANT COULD ALSO CALL THEIR SUPERVISOR AND HAS TRAINING ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO OFFICERS SO THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO RESPOND WHEN THEY HAVE AN UNCLEAR LEGAL SITUATION.
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT POLICY NOW.
I THINK THE CHAIR WOULD NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UH, COUNCIL, UH, BOARD MEMBER D WADSWORTH TO FOLLOW UP ANY QUESTIONS THAT SHE HAS.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, CHIEF.
YOU'VE DONE A REMARKABLE JOB OF ADDRESSING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, IN ADDITION IS THAT WHEN YOU MAKE A, UM, POWERPOINT OR A PRESENTATION TO THE, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WOULD YOU COPY US ON THAT PRESENTATION, ON THAT POWERPOINT SO WE HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER TO SERVE OUR CITIZENS? UH, WHICH, WHICH TYPE OF INFORMATION, MA'AM? WELL, LIKE THE POWERPOINT THAT YOU GAVE US TONIGHT, THAT'S IN OUR BOOK IS THE POWERPOINT ANNOUNCING THE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING UNIT AND GIVING THE SCOPE OF THE WORK AND TELLING KIND OF A BROAD TIMELINE, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION.
THEN TONIGHT, YOU GAVE US OUR OWN POWERPOINT, SO WE'D JUST LIKE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
I THINK PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE WHEN IT COMES TO THE, BECAUSE THAT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, RIGHT? TO GET THAT SAME INFORMATION.
I'LL SAY THIS, I'LL PROBABLY, I DON'T WANNA EVER GET AHEAD OF PUBLIC SAFETY
IF YOU'D SEND IT TO THE OFFICE AND ASK THEM TO SEND IT TO US.
THE CHAIR NOW RECOGNIZES CHUNG HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION THAT HE SENT.
SO, CHIEF, UM, WE, SO BEFORE I WAS A BOARD MEMBER, I WAS ONE OF THE AUTHORS THAT WORKED WITH THE OFFICE POLICE OVERSIGHT ON THOSE TWO REPORTS THAT YOU, THAT YOU MENTIONED.
UM, THEY WERE ALL BASED ON OPEN PORTAL DATA.
AND BY THE WAY, LET ME SAY, I'M A DATA ANALYST, UH, YOU KNOW, BY TRADE, UM, SO I'M NOT JUST WRITING NUMBERS, WILLY-NILLY, UM,
AND WHEN I SAY WE, I'M SAYING THE LEADERSHIP
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CONFERENCE ALONG WITH DIRECTOR MCCLARY, WHO OFFICE AUTHORED CO-AUTHORED THE REPORT.UM, I'M, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IDEA.
I'M WONDERING HOW DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE ABLE TO RELEASE THEIR DATA.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING IN, IN BEST PRACTICES.
I SEE DEPARTMENTS RELEASING DATA TO COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT DON'T HAVE CGIS CLEARANCE, UH, TO OTHER SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, ANALYSTS, AND PEOPLE ACROSS THE GAMUT TO RELEASE REPORTS.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF, UH, CLEARANCES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THE DATA THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY DID, DID NOT VIOLATE ANY CGIS, UM, TERMS OR ANY, YOU KNOW, G LAWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS JUST DATA, NOT PERSONAL INFORMATION OR ANY OF THAT.
UM, YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THAT YOU SAID WHAT THIS BOARD IS MANDATED TO DO, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU, WHAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT REPORTING AND DATA ANALYSIS ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHERE THE OVERSIGHT BOARD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO.
AND IF WE TALKING ABOUT NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES, MOST OVERSIGHT OFFICERS DO THAT.
SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO OR WHAT THE CHARTER OR ORDINANCE SAYS WE CAN DO? WHAT, CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE ON THAT? I'LL SAY THIS, MR. GANS.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I COULD READ THE CHARTER, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT INFORMATION FROM THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO, UM, IF IT'S NOT CGES PROTECTED, UM, AND, AND SPEAKING WITH STAFF IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND IT'S ALLOWED BY THE CHARTER, UM, I, I DON'T, UH, I WOULDN'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH RELEASING INFORMATION.
UH, THAT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT CGIS PROTECTED, AND SO LONG AS IT, IT ABIDES BY WHAT THE CHARTER PROVISIONS ARE.
I'M JUST GONNA SAY LIKE, IF YOU DO A REVIEW OF BOARDS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, UH, IT'S KIND OF AN EMBARRASSMENT THAT WE HAVE TO DO AN OPEN PORTAL, UH, OPEN, UH, OPEN RECORDS REQUEST LIKE A CITIZEN WOULD HAVE TO DO TO GET DATA FROM THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE MANDATED TO DO OVERSIGHT ON.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, I, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT, UM, CREDIBILITY OF THE OVERSIGHT BOARD WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, WHY IS THAT SO IMPORTANT? I, I WOULD, I WILL SAY THIS AND MAYBE, MAYBE YOUR OPINION ON OVERSIGHT IS DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IN, IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE DEALT WITH OVERSIGHT, UM, THERE, THE MANTRA WITH OVERSIGHT IS TO BE FAIR, THOROUGH AND OBJECTIVE TO ENSURE THAT EVERY INVESTIGATION IS FAIR, THOROUGH, AND OBJECTIVE.
UH, AND WHEN THE OFFICERS DON'T PERCEIVE THAT THE BOARD IS FAIR, THOROUGH AND OBJECTIVE, UH, IT HINDERS THE CREDIBILITY.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS BEFORE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HAVING OFFICERS COME IN OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
OFFICERS ARE DO NOT FEEL CONFIDENT COMING IN TO A BOARD THAT'S ALREADY PREJUDGED, UH, THE OFFICER.
UH, IT IS IMPORTANT, UH, BECAUSE I WANT OFFICERS TO FEEL ABOUT OVERSIGHT THE WAY I DO.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR A LONG TIME AND I WAS A VERY PROACTIVE POLICE OFFICER AND, AND I BELIEVE IN OVERSIGHT.
UH, AND I'D LIKE THEM TO BELIEVE IN IT THE WAY I DO.
HOWEVER, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'VE SEEN THE TYPE OF OVERSIGHT THAT I HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT MY CAREER OF BEING FAIR, THOROUGH AN OBJECTIVE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE ARE NOT FAIR AND OBJECTIVE IN, IN WHAT WE DO.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT YOU HAVE NOT AS A BOARD.
THAT IS, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING, THAT I, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN PREJUDGED BECAUSE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE NECESSARILY HERE OR NOT HAVE PRE-JUDGED OFFICERS, AND THAT HAS AFFECTED CREDIBILITY.
THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES THAT THAT HAS OCCURRED.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF OVERSIGHT BOARD THIS IS? BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE FOUR TYPES.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF OVERSIGHT BOARD THIS IS? YOU, YOU, YOU CAN EDUCATE ME.
UM, WE WILL,
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IS A HYBRID OF AN INVESTIGATIVE AND A REVIEW BOARD.AND SO, UM, WE, EVERY TIME I HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT OVERSIGHT, WE TALK ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY OF IT'S A ONE WAY CONVERSATION CHIEF, RIGHT? AND, AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE, AND I HAVE TO SPEAK FOR THAT BECAUSE I SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE.
BEFORE I WAS A BOARD MEMBER, I'VE BEEN AN ACTIVIST FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE BRUTALITY, RACIAL JUSTICE, SOCIAL JUSTICE.
SO I HAVE TO STAND ON BUSINESS.
THESE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH YOU ARE ONE WAY, RIGHT? YOU COME IN HERE AND YOU TELL US THAT YOU BELIEVE IN OVERSIGHT, AND THOSE ARE GREAT WORDS, BUT THE ACTIONS THAT WE SEE AS A BOARD, UH, SHOW DIFFERENT.
IF YOU'RE GONNA COME IN HERE AND TELL US HOW YOUR OFFICERS DON'T SEEK ANY CREDIBILITY, WHICH IN MY OPINION, AND I, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY AN OPINION.
I MEAN, I COULD PROBABLY STACK THIS DESK UP WITH, WITH DOCUMENTATION AND RESEARCH STANDARDS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DID TO CREATE THIS BOARD.
WE JUST DIDN'T COME OUT OF OUR, OUR HAT WITH IT.
UM, THAT SAYS THE LAST THING THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE WORRIED ABOUT IS HOW CREDIBLE WE LOOK TO OFFICERS WHEN OUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, PARTICULARLY FOR GROUPS IN HIS WHO HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
LIKE, WE TALK ABOUT THIS AS IF IT'S NOT A RESTORATIVE PRACTICE, THE REASON WHY THIS WAS EVEN CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE, RIGHT? I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT 13TH, THE DOCUMENTARIES SEVERAL TIMES, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO THE HISTORY OF POLICING WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS OR, UH, LATINOS OR OTHER MARGINALIZED GROUPS TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM THERE HISTORICALLY BETWEEN POLICING IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES.
THIS WAS PUT HERE FOR THAT REASON.
I, I JUST, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO MOVE PAST THIS CREDIBILITY CONVERSATION BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU DON'T TAKE DIRECTION FROM US AND WE DON'T TAKE DIRECTION FROM YOU.
AND SO WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO DO OUR JOBS.
IF, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS FAVORABLE BY THE OFFICERS, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC TRUST BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY IS STRONGER.
AND SO, I I, I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, TO COME IN HERE AND TELL US WHERE WE'VE HAD INCIDENT INSTANCES, INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVEN'T BEEN FAIR.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN MORE THAN REASONABLE.
WE ACTUALLY DEFER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN SEVERAL OCCASIONS.
AND I'VE BROUGHT IT UP TO THIS BOARD SEVERAL TIMES WHERE WE, AND WE WAITED ON YOU GUYS OVER AND OVER AND OVER TO GET TO COME BACK WITH RULINGS, DETERMINATIONS, ALL KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? WE HAVE CENTERED WHAT WE DO AROUND YOU, AROUND YOUR OFFICERS.
SO TO COME IN HERE AND TELL US THAT WE HAVE BEEN FAIR AND IMPARTIAL, I THINK IT'S JUST UNFAIR TO THE CONVERSATION.
WE NEED TO HAVE A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION, NOT A ONE-WAY CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SHYING AWAY FROM ANY OF THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WAS ASKED A QUESTION BY A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD AS TO WHERE THE ISSUES WERE AND IF YOU WERE THE, WHAT THE PERCEPTION WAS.
THAT WAS NOT A PROACTIVE, BUT THAT'S A PERCEPTION.
BUT YOU SPOKE, YEAH, LET ME SPEAK.
I WAS ASKED WHAT THE PERCEPTION OF THE OFFICERS ARE ARRESTED BOARD.
I DIDN'T MAKE THAT QUESTION UP.
THAT WAS NOT PROACTIVE ON MY PART.
I'M RESPONDING TO IT IN AN HONEST AND AN HONEST WAY.
I WILL TELL YOU, HE HEALTHY FRICTION NEEDS TO EXIST.
HEALTHY FRICTION NEEDS TO EXIST.
THE COMMUNITY THAT EITHER QUESTIONS THE DEPARTMENT'S PRACTICES, NEEDS TO SEE YOU FIGHTING FOR THEM.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T WANNA SEE US, UH, OUT HAVING, HAVING, HAVING A BEER.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY, THEY WANNA SEE THAT THEY WANNA SEE HEALTHY FRICTION ON THE FLIP SIDE OF IT.
SO IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ONE WAY I GET THAT I DON'T BEGRUDGE WHAT YOU, WHAT THE BOARD HAS TO DO.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF IT, MY MEN AND WOMEN ARE LOOKING AT ME THAT IF THEY, IF I, IF THEY'RE BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY OR UNJUST, THEY ARE LOOKING AT ME TO PUSH BACK AS WELL.
SO THE PUSHBACK DOES HAVE TO GO BOTH WAYS.
WHEN YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS FEEL THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING TREATED A CERTAIN WAY, YOU NEED TO PUSH AT ME.
BUT WHEN MY OFFICERS FEEL THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING TREATED FAIRLY, THEN I NEED TO PUSH BACK.
AND THAT HEALTHY FRICTION, FRICTION NEEDS TO EXIST.
SO I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S ONE WAY.
I DON'T BEGRUDGE YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
I DID NOT COME UP WITH THIS QUESTION.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, IF, IF, IF THE, IF THE, IF THE BOARD DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE CREDIBILITY WITH RANK AND FILE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THEN SO BE IT.
BUT WHEN I'M ASKED THAT QUESTION, UM, THAT'S THE RESPONSE.
UM, AND IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE A PROACTIVE RESPONSE.
IT'S A QUESTION I RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD, AND THAT WAS MY HONEST WAY OF RESPONDING TO IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT CONVERSATION.
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ACTUALLY ONE MORE, UH, QUESTION, UH, BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN, UM, AND, UH, THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS? SURE.THANK, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, CHIEF GARCIA, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING ABOUT THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL.
UM, THAT IS A TOPIC EVERY TIME I'VE HEARD YOU COME IN HERE THE LAST TWO OR THREE TIMES YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT.
AND WE STILL DO NOT HAVE A TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL, WHICH I THINK, UM, WOULD, IS VITAL TO THE FUNCTIONING OF THIS OFFICE.
UM, BUT THE TIMES YOU'VE BROUGHT IT UP, YOU'VE SORT OF, UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF I'M PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT YOU SORT OF PUT IT ON US, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE RIGHT HERE, SECTION 37 36, ABOUT THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL.
IT SAYS THERE IS HEREBY CREATED THE TECHNICAL RESOURCE PANEL TO BE COMPOSED OF THREE MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
THE DIRECTOR SHALL ASSIST THE CITY MANAGER IN THE RECRUITMENT OF QUALIFIED MEMBERS.
SO BY MY READING OF THE ORDINANCE RIGHT THERE, THIS IS NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY ON THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE DO NEED THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS IN HERE WHERE, UM, A THREE PERSON PANEL WITH A LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND, UH, WOULD BE QUITE BENEFICIAL.
UM, SO I, I DO THINK WE NEED THAT, BUT WE NEED THE HELP.
WE NEED HELP FROM THE CITY, FROM OCPO AND FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING.
UM, THE, AND I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THE, THE IDEA OF THE FAIR, THOROUGH AND OBJECTIVE.
UM, I, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
UH, HAVE, HAVE YOU OR ANY OTHER OFFICERS EVER COME TO OCPO OR TO THE BOARD WITH A SPECIFIC CASE WHERE YOU FELT WE WERE NOT FAIR OR THOROUGH OR OBJECTIVE? BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT BEING FAIR OR THOROUGH AND OBJECTIVE IN A CERTAIN INSTANCE, AND IT IS HURTING OUR CREDIBILITY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I PERSONALLY, JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
I I WILL, I WILL, UH, CERTAINLY GET THAT INFORMATION.
I'D RATHER THAT THE PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, WE WILL TAKE THAT OFFLINE.
UM, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I, I WILL SAY, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO BEING A CITY MANAGER RESPONSIBILITY, I DO HAVE TO, I DO HAVE TO HAVE MY CITY MANAGERS BACK ON THIS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES THAT, THAT I'M SURE FALL UNDER THE CITY MANAGER THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH PD AND THE POLICE DIRECTOR, THE CHIEF DEALS WITH THOSE.
UH, AND SO AS WE TRANSITION AND WE DO GET A NEW DIRECTOR, UM, OUR CITY MANAGER, UM, ALLOWS THE DIRECTORS TO REALLY IMPLEMENT WHAT NEEDS TO GET IMPLEMENTED.
SO I DO BELIEVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND GET A NEW DIRECTOR, UM, IF THAT'S, IF THAT IS HOPEFULLY A WISH OF THIS BOARD, THAT I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT WILL BE, UH, THAT IT WILL BE DONE.
I I KNOW THAT BOARD MEMBERS HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS A NEW ERA, AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT CHIEF GARCIA, UH, WILL COME BACK AND, UM, WE, UH, I KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE MORE TIMES WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND, AND KIND OF CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION AND WHAT A GIFT, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THAT HEALTHY TENSION IS AS A BENEFIT, THAT, THAT TENSION IS, IS A POSITIVE.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, BEING HERE AND BEING ABLE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
AND I APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND MAY THIS CONTINUE, AND, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE.
NO, I, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND AGAIN, LISTEN, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT A NEW CHIEF.
UH, THE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, UH, ARE NEEDED AND THEY'RE NECESSARY.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM, UH, HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS SO LONG AS, UH, WE'RE BOTH HONEST, UH, WITH EACH OTHER.
WE HAVE MAJOR IES, MAJOR LANIS IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE ALWAYS SEE HER ON A, ON A TV SCREEN, BUT I JUST WANT TO, IT'S A CELEBRITY SIGHTING.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO JUST WELCOME MAJOR LANIS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE, UH, AS WELL.
UM, WITHOUT ANY, UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, UH, WE WILL, UH, CLOSE, UM, THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.
AND WE WILL NOW, UH, MOVE, UH, BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF, UH, OUR MEETING, THE ACTION ITEMS. I'D LIKE TO, UH, ASK FOR, UH, CHRISTOPHER CLARK, UH, TO, UH, MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE PRESENTING TABLE WHERE, UH, WE WILL RECEIVE A REPORT, UM, A REVIEW ON THE EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT FILED BY MR. DYNELL LANE, ANOTHER, UH, HERO AMONG US HERE, A VETERAN.
AND SO THANKFUL YOU'RE PRESENT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HERE AS WELL.
AND, UM, SO AT THIS TIME, UH, THE CHAIR WILL, UH, RECOGNIZE, UH, MR. CHRISTOPHER CLARK FOR ACTION ITEM TWO A.
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THE ACTION ITEM RELATED TO THE REVIEW REQUEST THAT WAS PUT IN BY, UH, MR. DONNELL LANG.AS THE BOARD IS AWARE, UM, THERE WAS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION VOTED ON BY THE BOARD, UH, LAST SUMMER.
THAT INVESTIGATION WAS PAUSED ONCE IAD BEGAN.
ITS WELL REOPENED ITS INVESTIGATION INTO THE MATTER.
AS WE LEARNED AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, I D'S INVESTIGATION HAS CONCLUDED, UH, DISCIPLINE IN THIS MATTER WAS ISSUED.
UH, THE OFFICERS, UH, THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ALL OF THE OFFICERS WAS SUSTAINED, WERE SUSTAINED.
AND SO THEY WERE FOUND TO HAVE COMMITTED MISCONDUCT AND VIOLATED, UH, DPD GENERAL ORDERS.
UM, I'VE LAID THAT OUT IN THE MEMO THAT'S ATTACHED IN THE AGENDA.
UH, THE DISCIPLINE THAT WAS DETERMINED AFTER A HEARING WAS HELD, UH, WAS WRITTEN REPRIMANDS FOR THE OFFICERS AND SENSITIVITY TRAINING, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH DPD PRACTICES.
A LETTER WAS SENT TO MR. LANE, AS WAS DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, DETAILING, UM, THE OUTCOME OF THE ID INVESTIGATION CASE.
IT DID NOT DETAIL, AS I MENTIONED IN THE, UH, MEMO THAT I WROTE FOR THE BOARD.
IT DOESN'T DETAIL WHAT THE PUNISHMENT WOULD BE, BUT OF COURSE, WE DID HOLD A BOARD MEETING AND THAT PUNISHMENT WAS DISCUSSED.
UH, MR. LANG RECEIVED THAT LETTER, UH, AND I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE HE IS HERE.
I I DID ASK HIM IF HE WANTS TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK, UH, TO THE BOARD.
UM, HE DID RECEIVE THAT LETTER.
HE DID COME INTO THE OFFICE AND HE REQUESTED A REVIEW.
THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION, UM, AS I KNOW THE BOARD KNOWS, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THE BOARD HAS ALREADY VOTED ON AN INVESTIGATION.
AND WHEN LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, AND WHEN LOOKING AT THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE EMPOWERS THE OFFICE TO REVIEW, UH, WE FIND OURSELVES IN A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT WHAT MR. LANE HAS EXPRESSED TO THE OFFICE HE'S ASKING FOR, THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER VEHICLE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH THAT KIND OF REVIEW REQUEST.
UM, SO AS I LAY OUT IN THE MEMO, UM, THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY EMPOWERS THIS BOARD IN SPECIFIC CASES WHERE YOU DISAGREE WITH THE DISCIPLINARY OUTCOME TO CHARGE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE CITY MANAGER THEMSELVES WITH PERFORMING A REVIEW OF NOT JUST THE DISCIPLINARY DECISION, BUT THE RATIONALE FOR THAT DECISION.
UM, GIVEN WHAT MR. LANE IS REQUESTING, WHICH IS, UH, AS HE COMMUNICATED TO OUR OFFICE, HE FEELS AS IF THE PUNISHMENT FOR THE OFFICERS WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.
UM, I PRESENT TO THIS BOARD THAT THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE VEHICLE, UH, FOR LOOKING AT THE SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT MR. LANE IS REQUESTING.
UM, SO AS I WROTE IN MY TWO, UH, AS I WROTE IN MY MEMO, THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY TWO QUESTIONS BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, SHOULD THE BOARD INVOKE, UH, SECTION 37 32 A SIX TO FORMALLY REQUEST A REVIEW OF THE DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND RATIONALE IN THE MATTER OF DILL LANE CN 20 23 1 62.
THE SECOND QUESTION, SHOULD THE CPOB FORMALLY CLOSE ITS INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE DYNE LINE CASE AND HOLD THE IDS FINDINGS OF SUSTAINED ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ALL OFFICERS WERE SUFFICIENT CONCLUSIONS BASED ON THE FACTS AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED? THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHRISTOPHER CLARK FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM ANY BOARD MEMBER, UH, FOR THE BOARD TO INVOKE 37 DASH 32 A SIX TO FORMALLY REQUEST A REVIEW OF THE DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND RATIONALE IN THE MATTER OF DYNE LANE? UH, IF THERE IS A MOTION, UM, AND A SECOND, WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION AS A BOARD CHAIR.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE MAKE THAT MOTION.
DO WE HAVE THE ACTUAL WRITTEN REPRIMAND THAT THE OFFICERS RECEIVED? YES.
IT'S INCLUDED IN THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU? NO, THE ACTUAL LETTER.
NO, IT'S NOT, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT IN OUR PACKET.
AND I REQUESTED THAT YESTERDAY, THE ACTUAL WRITTEN REPRIMAND LETTER PLUS NONE OF THE REPRIMAND LETTERS ARE IN OUR PACKETS.
AND, AND NOR DO WE HAVE THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING, WHAT IT'S GONNA BE, HOW MANY HOURS, THAT SORT OF THING.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SENSITIVITY.
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GOING TO REQUEST THE INFORMATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN IT.MR. CHAIR, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
UM, BEFORE WE CAN PROPERLY, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT OR REJECT, UH, WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS WE'RE ACCEPTING OR REJECTING.
AND SO THEREFORE, I WOULD REQUEST FORMALLY, AND I'LL MAKE IT INTO A MOTION IF NECESSARY, BUT I'D REQUEST THAT WE SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE DISCIPLINARY ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN AGAINST EACH OFFICER BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE.
WELL, LET, LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, BECAUSE AS I SAID, I REQUESTED THAT YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THAT AND DID NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THERE.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO SEE EACH LETTER.
IF THEY'RE ALL THE SAME, THEN ONE LETTER'S OKAY.
BUT WE NEED TO SEE EACH LETTER REPRIMAND.
PLUS WE NEED TO HAVE ALL THE DETAILS ON, UM, THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING, WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, HOW LONG, WHAT SUBJECTS, WHO'S GONNA GIVE IT, ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND SO FOR THAT PURPOSE, I WOULD CONCUR IN THE MOTION AND ASK THAT WE TAKE IT UP AFTER WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING IS SENSITIVITY TRAINING ABOUT MOCKING PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY ON BODY-WORN CAMERA, OR IF IT IS SENSITIVITY TRAINING ABOUT HEALTH CONDITIONS AND THE SENSITIVITY TO PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES ON IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CHIEF TOLD US THAT HE DIDN'T BELIEVE LAWS WERE VIOLATED.
SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THE SENSITIVITY THAT'S THAT'S BEING TRAINED IS SENSITIVITY TO ACTUAL CITIZENS WHO HAVE CONDITIONS, OR IF IT'S JUST IN HOW WE TALK ABOUT PEOPLE.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY POINT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE WHOLE THING.
MM-HMM,
UH, IS THERE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? LAUREN GILBERT SMITH? I, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE RECEIVE THE RELATED INFORMATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S SOME TIME FOR DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME.
UH, WILL, IS THERE A SECOND BEFORE, UH, I MEAN, CAN WE, CAN WE ASK DIRECTOR, UH, CHANDLER BEFORE? 'CAUSE SHE'S RIGHT THERE.
DIRECTOR CHANDLER, CAN YOU SPEAK, UH, TO, TO THESE, TO THESE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE BOARD AS FAR AS, UH, THE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE, UH, TO HAVE BEFORE MAKING AN INFORMED DECISION? YES.
UM, THE INFORMATION WAS REQUESTED FROM IED RELATED TO THE TRAINING, AND IT WAS NOT, UM, AVAILABLE THROUGH IAD.
UM, THERE'S A DIFFERENT DIVISION, UM, AND DPD, THE TRAINING DIVISION THAT HAS THAT INFORMATION.
I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THEM TO ACQUIRE THAT INFORMATION AND I CAN SEND IT OUT TO THE BOARD.
UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE LETTERS, UM, WE DID INCLUDE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET REGARDING THE DISCIPLINE.
UM, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT THE BOARD IS REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC LETTERS THAT WERE ISSUED.
AND, UM, DIRECTOR, I'M, I, YOU CAN, SORRY, I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU, MA'AM.
UM, BUT, UM, THE LETTERS ARE IN THE PACKET.
MAJOR ALANISE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO COME IN AND POINT THOSE OUT TO ME.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE PACKET ISN'T, UM, THERE ISN'T A, UH, SPECIFIC, UH, NUMBER ON EACH PAGE.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE BACK OF THE PACKET TOWARD THE, UH, RIGHT BEFORE IT GETS TO TWO B RIGHT BEFORE, IF YOU START AT THE BACK OF THE PACKET, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, WORK, WORK FROM THE BACK OF, OF TWO A'S PACKET AND GO FORWARD.
THAT'S THE LETTER OF REP REPRIMAND.
THAT SAME FIRST PAGE WAS COPIED FOR EVERY OFFICER.
AND THEN THE SECOND PAGE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OFFICER, THE OFFICER WAS, UH, THE NAME OF THE SPECIFIC OFFICER.
SO JUST, JUST SO THE BOARD'S AWARE THAT THEY HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THIS? THE ADDRESS TO CHRISTOPHER, CHRISTOPHER, UH, CLARK? MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE ONE THING.
I I, I COULD BE WRONG HERE AND EVERYBODY COULD, COULD TELL ME I'M WRONG.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF, OF WHETHER WE INVOKE 37, 32 A SIX OR NOT,
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UM, I DON'T THINK THAT ULTIMATELY THIS BOARD'S GONNA HAVE A LOT OF SAY IN WHAT DISCIPLINE IS METED OUT OR NOT METED OUT? UM, I THINK IT'S MORE OUR JOB.UM, WE'VE GOTTEN WHERE WE, WHERE WE ARE.
UM, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS NOW DISCIPLINED THE OFFICERS, THE RESIDENT WHO IS IMPACTED HAS STATED HE'S NOT SATISFIED.
SO I THINK IT IS OUR JOB AS AN OVERSIGHT BODY TO SAY, OKAY, DPD SAID ONE THING, THE RESIDENT'S NOT SATISFIED.
I THINK WE SHOULD SEND THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE SO THEY CAN ASSESS IT, UM, RATHER THAN HAVE US GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE OF DETERMINING WHAT DISCIPLINE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ME OUT.
SO IN MY VIEW, WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST GO AHEAD AND BECAUSE THE, THE RESIDENT WHO WAS IMPACTED BY THIS IS NOT SATISFIED, WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST SEND IT FORWARD TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND SAY, DPD HANDED OUT THIS DISCIPLINE.
UH, THE CITIZEN'S NOT SATISFIED.
CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO THE EXTENT OF THAT? IT'S A MOTION.
WAS THAT A MOTION, UH, FROM, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14? I MOVE THAT WE DO INVOKE, UM, SECTION 37 DASH 32 A SIX TO FORMALLY REQUEST A REVIEW OF THE DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND RATIONALE IN THE MATTER OF DI ELL LANE JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER DISTRICT DATE.
UH, THE MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? THE ONLY POINT I WOULD MAKE, THE ONLY POINT I WOULD MAKE, AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR RESOLUTION BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE IN KIND OF AN ODD SITUATION HERE WHERE THE, UH, THE ALLEGATIONS WERE SUSTAINED.
SO THERE'S NOTHING REALLY TO INVESTIGATE AT THIS POINT.
MR. LANE'S NOT NOT SATISFIED WITH THE PUNISHMENT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SAY IN THAT.
UH, I, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO GET THE DETAILS OF THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
SO IT'S PUBLIC RECORD AND PERHAPS MR. LANE, I THINK MR. LANE IS ENTITLED TO THAT AT A MINIMUM.
SO AS PART OF THE MOTION, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT THE SENSITIVITY DETAILS TRAINING THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED STILL BE PROVIDED, BE MADE PUBLIC RECORD AND PROVIDED TO MR. LANE.
UM, IT MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'M OKAY WITH THE MOTION, OTHERWISE.
LET'S, UH, LET'S CALL FOR A VOTE.
UH, AND WE WILL DO, UH, ARE THERE FURTHER, UH, MR. MAPLE, DO YOU HAVE SOME COMMENT? I DO, YES, I DO.
UM, I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GONNA BOUNCE THIS TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND SHE'S TOLD US HOW FAIR SHE'S GOING TO BE, UM, I CHARGE YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO KEEP YOUR THUMB ON THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, THE WORLD IS STILL WATCHING.
MR. LANE, SERGEANT LANE IS STILL NOT SATISFIED.
SO THE BOARD SHOULD NOT BE SATISFIED.
THE CITY OF DALLAS SHOULD NOT BE SATISFIED BECAUSE HE'S NOT SATISFIED.
SO I CHARGE YOU TO KEEP YOUR THUMB ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS THE ATTENTION IT'S GOING TO NEED, AND THAT IT DOESN'T GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE.
THAT WAY WE DON'T COME BACK HERE IN MAY, AND WE HAVE A ALL OUT BRAWL BECAUSE SOMETHING DIDN'T TAKE PLACE.
AND YOU KNOW ME, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A GOOD FIGHT.
CHAIRMAN, I WANNA ADD TO MR. MAPLES, IN THE EIGHT YEARS I'VE SERVED THE REVIEW BOARD AND THIS BOARD, WE HAVE SENT LETTERS TO THE CITY MANAGER REQUESTING OR MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND TO DATE, NOT ONCE HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY REPLY.
NOW I KNOW WE HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER, BUT I'M GONNA HOLD YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT MY FEET
THIS, THIS CASE CANNOT BE PUT TO REST UNTIL WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN DO.
THOSE OFFICERS EMBARRASSED, THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHIEF BELIEVES THAT, WELL, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE LAW AND, AND WE DON'T, THEY DIDN'T KNOW AND THEY WEREN'T TRAINED.
YOU SAID THE PHONE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES NOT EXPLAIN THEIR CONDUCT.
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AND, AND I BELIEVE AS PEOPLE THAT NEED OFFICERS THAT RESPECT US, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO RESOLVE THIS.THANK YOU DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
AND, UH, YES, A CHALLENGE ACCEPTED ON THAT.
AND, UH, YES, THANK YOU FOR THOSE WORDS.
IF THERE IS, UH, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD, UH, WHAT DO YOU SAY? WE VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED AND SECONDED.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, UH, JUST SO WE CAN, UH, RECORD EACH DISTRICT'S RESPONSE ON THIS.
COULD WE REPEAT THE MOTION SO THAT, UH, IT INCLUDES, UM, THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING? SHOULD WE DO TWO MOTIONS OR SHOULD WE NO ONE MOTION'S FINE.
I I WILL SECOND IT IF YOU REPEAT IT AND ADD THAT.
WHAT THE, I WANNA MAKE SURE I GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT ON THAT THEN.
SO, SO FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE MOTION, I CAN JUST READ OFF OF THIS, BUT THE SECOND PART, WHAT DO YOU TO, WE WANT TO INCLUDE THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING.
THE SECOND PART DETAIL OF THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING.
YEAH, IT'S JUST, UH, UH, DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13.
THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING IS I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THROUGH, OBTAIN ALL THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING, INCLUDING HOURS SUBJECTS.
ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UH, AS PART OF THE REQUEST THAT IT BE PUBLIC RECORD AND IT BE FURNISHED TO MR. LANE.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD INVOKE SECTION 37 32, UH, A SIX TO FORMALLY REQUEST A REVIEW OF THE DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND RATIONALE AND MATTER MATTER OF DINE LANE, AND THAT ALL SENSITIVITY TRAINING THAT WILL WILL BE PROVIDED, UH, BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD AND TO MR. LANE AND JUDGE LANDER.
UH, DISTRICT EIGHT, I SECOND THAT MOTION.
WE WILL, WE WILL NOW VOTE ON THIS ISSUE, UH, YAY OR NAY, IF YOU COULD, UH, DISTRICT ONE OZZIE SMITH.
DISTRICT TWO, JONATHAN MAPLES.
DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
DISTRICT NINE, ALLISON GRINDER.
DISTRICT 14, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
THE MOTION, UH, PASSES A UNANIMOUS VOTE FROM THE BOARD.
UM, AND CRYSTAL, YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO CARRY THIS OUT? YES.
WITHOUT ANY FURTHER, UH, DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, WE, UH, WILL NOW MOVE TO THE SECOND ACTION ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
THIS ACTION ITEM IS A REVIEW OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT FILED BY MR. WILLIAM BLACK.
UH, AND THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO CALL, WOULD JAMES GRIFFIN TO THE MICROPHONE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS CASE TO THE BOARD? THANK YOU.
THE FLOOR IS YOURS, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE MATTER OF, UH, MR. WILLIAM BLACK'S REQUEST FOR REVIEW, UM, IN YOUR PACKET, IN YOUR, IN YOUR BRIEFING AGENDA ITEM.
AND THEN, UH, THERE IS, UH, INFORMATION PERTAINING WHAT I'M GOING TO COVER HERE.
ALSO, UH, THERE, THERE WERE ALSO A LOT OF, UH, VIDEOS AND STUFF THAT, THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ON THE SHARE DRIVE TO SEE, UH, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CASE.
SO ON FEBRUARY THE 29TH, MR. WILLIAM BLACK REQUESTED THAT THE O THAT THE CPOB REVIEW, HIS COMPLAINT, OCPO, PREPARED, PREPARED THIS MEMO WITH THE ATTACHMENTS FOR, FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW.
MR. BLACK ALLEGED THAT ON 11, ON NOVEMBER THE 10TH, 2022, HE WAS ARRESTED BY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT, AND, AND DURING SUBSEQUENT HIS ARREST, AN OFFICER VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE HIS MOTHER'S NECKLACE AND PLACE IT IN AN EVIDENCE BAG FOR SAFEKEEPING.
WHEN MR. BLACK WAS RELEASED FROM JAIL, THE NECKLACE WAS NOT WITH HIS BELONGINGS AND HAD NOT BEEN LISTED ON THE PROPERTY SHEET, WHICH INVENTORIED HIS BELONGINGS.
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SO, A SYNOPSIS OF THE CASE.ON NOVEMBER, ON NOVEMBER THE 10TH, THE OFFICERS OF THE SOUTH CENTRAL DIVISION PERFORMED A TRAFFIC STOP ON MR. BLACK IN WHICH HE WAS ARRESTED AT, AT, UH, DURING, DURING THE INCIDENT WHEN, WHEN THE OFFICERS WERE ON THE SCENE, THEN THEY, THEY, THEY, UH, TOOK HIS, UH, NECKLACE OFF OF HIS NECK AND PLACED IT IN A EVIDENCE BAG AND PUT IT ON THE TRUNK OF THE CAR.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, THAT WAS THEN PLACED IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR.
HOWEVER, WHEN HE WAS, UH, RELEASED FROM LUSTER JAIL, HIS NECKLACE WAS NOT IN THE PROPERTY, AND IT WAS THERE AND IT WAS NOT LISTED ON IN THE, UH, ITEM IN, IN THE ITEMS. SO THE QUESTION, SO THE, I IT WAS, SO THE ALLEGATIONS WERE, IT WAS ALLEGED THAT ON NOVEMBER THE 10TH, THE POLICE OFFICERS FAILED TO TAKE ALL REASONABLE STEPS TO PREVENT THE LOSS OF THE PRISONER'S PROPERTY.
THE OFFICERS TRANSPORTED MR. BLACK IN HIS PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE NECKLACE, TO, UH, LOOSE STARE AT JAIL CENTER, BODY WORN CAMERA, CAMERA FOOTAGE, DOCUMENTED THE NECKLACE BEING PLACED IN A PROPERTY BAG BY AN OFFICER PRIOR TO THE, PRIOR TO THE ARRIVAL, AND FURTHER BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE AND, AND, AND DVR FOOTAGE DOCUMENTED, THE NECKLACE WAS NEVER RETURNED FROM THE, WERE NEVER REMOVED FROM THE BAG PRIOR TO IT BEING PLACED IN THE TRUNK OF A, OF THE OFFICER'S POLICE CAR.
THE, AND SO, UH, OFFICER, THE THEN THESE OFFICERS WERE THE LAST KNOWN DPDO OFFICERS TO HAVE CUSTODY OF THE NECKLACE, ALONG WITH MR. BLACK'S OTHER PROPERTY.
THERE WAS AN INVENTORY THAT WAS TAKEN AT THE LOOSE STAT JAIL CENTER BY THE DALLAS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND THEY DOCUMENTED TWO OTHER GOLD NECKLACES THAT WERE PRESENT.
BUT THE SILVER CUBAN LINK CHAIN WAS, THAT WAS REMOVED, WAS NOT DOCUMENTED.
BOTH, BOTH OF THE OFFICERS IN, IN THE INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT STATED THEY DID NOT TAKE THE NECKLACE, BUT WERE ALSO UNAVAILABLE TO PROVIDE OR UNABLE TO PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY IT WAS NOT LISTED ON THE PROPERTY INVENTORY TAKEN BY DSO PERSONNEL.
DURING THE BOOKEND PROCESS ON NOVEMBER THE 13TH, IAD DOCUMENTED THE ALLEGATIONS, UH, THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST BOTH OFFICERS INITIALLY WERE SUSTAINED, AND THE CASE WAS SENT TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND FOR REVIEW.
ON JANUARY 31ST, 2024, DPD ASSISTANT CHIEF EGO SENT A MEMO, STATE THAT A MEMO THAT RECLASSIFIED ALLEGATIONS ONE AND TWO TO NOT SUSTAINED, AND A LETTER WAS SENT TO MR. BLACK IN, IN INFORMING HIM DPD, WERE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL RULES REGARDING HIS CASE, CN 2022 DASH 3 75.
SUBSEQUENTLY, ON FEBRUARY 29TH, MR. BLACK FILED A CIVILIAN REVIEW FORM WITH OCPO RE REQUESTING HIS CASE BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE CPOB TO ASK FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF HIS CASE.
AND AGAIN, ALL OF THE RELEVANT VIDEOS INFORMATION YOU, UH, IS ON THE POSTED ON THE SHARE DRIVE, YOU, YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE THAT THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD IS A NOTE THAT, UH, DURING THE INVESTIGATION, THEY WERE UNABLE TO, UH, TO DOCUMENT OR, OR, UH, OBTAIN A VIDEO CAMERA FROM LOOSE STAT JAIL WHEN FROM THE MOMENT THEY ENTERED THE JAIL.
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE RETENTION POLICIES ON, ON THE, ON THE VIDEO HAD ALREADY LAPSED.
WE KNOW THAT THE NECKLACE WAS PLACED IN A BAG ON A VEHICLE, AND THEN THAT, THAT BAG WAS PLACED IN THE TRUNK OF THE OFFICER'S CAR.
BUT FROM THAT POINT, WHEN THE INVENTORY'S DONE AT LUSTER JAIL, THE NECKLACE IS MISSING.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED INSIDE THE JAIL WITH THAT VIDEO, WE DON'T HAVE.
AND SO THAT IS ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE FACTS THAT I CAN THINK OF.
AND I, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU GUYS TO MAKE A DECISION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, JAMES, UH, FOR THAT.
AND, UH, YOU, YOU'RE LEARNING, UH, PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED, UH, A MOTION ALWAYS PRECEDES, UH, THE DISCUSSION.
UH, AND SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, INITIATE AN INVESTIGATION ON, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE? DON'T WORRY, WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT, UH, IF THERE IS A MOTION, UH, TO INITIATE, UH, OR TO CARRY OUT AN INVESTIGATION ON, UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CASE, THEN WE'LL BEGIN THE DISCUSSION AMONG US ABOUT WHETHER OR OR NOT LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, I MOVE THAT WE OPEN AN INVESTIGATION.
ALISON TER ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE, I SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC? AND
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I BELIEVE IAD IS ON THE LINE AS WELL.AND, UH, I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOU.
UM, THIS SEEMS TO ME TO BE A PRETTY EASY, STRAIGHTFORWARD ONE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION BECAUSE WE HAVE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AT ONE POINT SAID IT WAS SUSTAINED, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT'S THE WRONG WORD.
EVENTUALLY IT'S CHANGED TO NOT SUSTAIN.
SO SOMETHING, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION EVEN WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT SAYS TO ME, THAT ALONE SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
UH, BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NECKLACE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IT WAS IN THE CAR, IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR, AND THEN IT WASN'T NOW WHAT OUR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION IS GONNA SHOW VERSUS WHAT THE POLICE DID.
BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, EASY ONE TO SAY, LET'S PLEASE LOOK AT IT.
UM, YES, MR. MAPLES
UM, SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AT WHEN
I DIDN'T KNOW THIS TOOK PLACE ON THE STREET.
SO I'M CONFUSED BY THAT AND JUST, I JUST KNOW I GOT A LITTLE EXPERIENCE WITH IT.
UM, AND, AND, AND SECONDLY, AND SECONDLY, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ME BECAUSE I LOST MY MOM EIGHT WEEKS AGO, AND I HAVE HER WEDDING BAND THAT I'M CONTEMPLATING WEARING AROUND MY NECK.
AND WELL, I'M NOT GONNA GET BUSTED.
IT JUST HAVE TO BE A MISUNDERSTANDING.
UM, IF THE POLICE WERE THE LAST IN POSSESSION, THEN THE POLICE ARE AT FAULT FOR WHEREVER THIS MAN'S MOTHER'S NECKLACE IS.
AND, AND I I AGREE WITH MR. KITNER.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE.
AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, JAMES, THE VIDEO LAPSED, HUH? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS, YOU SAID? YOU SAID THERE'S NO VIDEO THAT, THAT, THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
INSIDE LOOSE STARE JAIL, THERE WAS NO, THE, THE NOTES SAID THAT THERE, THAT THERE WAS NO, THEY MISSED THE, THE, THE DEADLINE FOR THE RETENTION POLICY IN LOOSE STARE JAIL.
THERE WAS SECURE THOSE VIDEOS.
WHO, WHO IS THEY THAT MISSED THE RETENTION DEADLINE? I'M SORRY, WHO IS THEY? UH, WELL, YOU SAID THEY MISSED WHEN THEY, THEY PUT THE, A REQUEST WAS MADE TO, TO SECURE THE VIDEO, BUT THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN DELETED.
A REQUEST WAS MADE BY WHOM? UH, IT WAS, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER I INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR IT MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT.
'CAUSE IT, BECAUSE THIS CASE WAS ALSO INFERRED.
THAT'S ANOTHER POINT TO, AS THIS CASE WAS ACTUALLY INVESTIGATIVE WILL BE THE THIRD, BESIDES MY REVIEW HERE.
THIS CASE WAS AN, WAS ORIGINALLY IA INVESTIGATION, THEN IT WAS REFERRED TO PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT, AND THEN PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT REFERRED IT BACK TO IA.
SO, AND AT SOME POINT THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR THOSE VIDEOS, UH, AT INSIDE LOOSE THERE, AND THEN THEY WERE NOT THERE.
SO DPD DID NOT, UH, PROPERLY REQUEST FOR THE VIDEOS, OR AT LEAST TIMELY? WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME WAS AS FAR AS, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME TIME THAT LAPSED BETWEEN WHEN MR. BLACK FILED HIS CASE, UH, BUT BY THE TIME WHEN HE GOT OUT OF JAIL AND THEN BY THE TIME ALL OF THAT TIMELINE HAPPENED AND HE FILED FOR A REPORT, AND THEN, SO THERE, THERE IS SOME THERE THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE DISCREPANCY.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UM, UNTIL WE KNOW THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE ONCE THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINT FILED, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN REQUESTED IMMEDIATELY.
UM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HE WAS INCARCERATED AND MAYBE DURING HIS INCARCERATION THAT TIME EXPIRED.
I'M, I'M, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, IF THAT ANY FURTHER, UH, DISCUSSION.
UH, OH, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF GOING FROM
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SUSTAINED TO NOT SUSTAIN.CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT? 'CAUSE I DON'T, HOW'D THAT HAPPEN? SO, I, I, MY, AND I'M, I'M PROBABLY NOT THE BEST PERSON TO SPEAK FOR IA.
SO, UM, IF, IF SOMEONE WOULD ANSWER THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD BE BRING ON SOMEONE ELSE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
LET'S, UH, LET'S VOTE AS A BOARD.
LET, LEMME JUST, LEMME LAST COMMENT MR. MAPLES.
I JUST WANT TO ASK ONE LAST QUESTION.
IT WENT FROM IA TO, UH, TO INTEGRITY AND THEN BACK TO IED? YES.
AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN THEY FINISHED THE INVESTIGATION.
SO I, I, SO PUBLIC INTEGRITY, I BELIEVE THEY LOOKED TO SEE IF THERE, IF THEY LOOKED AT, TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY POSSIBLE CRIMINAL ALLEGATIONS.
AND THEN WHEN THE, THEIR INVESTIGATION WAS FINISHED, THEY WENT BACK TO IA.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS AGAIN.
UH, BUT IF, IF I'M MISQUOTING, THEN SOMEONE, UH, FROM OTHER, FROM IA COULD CLARIFY FOR ME.
THE TECHNICAL, UM, YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO ASK THEM THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE THE PROCEDURES? BECAUSE I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY START STRIPPING YOU
WHO, UH, WHEN WE INVESTIGATE, I THINK THAT CAN BE PART OF THE INVESTIGATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESULTS ON, WELL, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE, THE, THE BOARD VOTES, UH, IT'D BE GOOD TO SEE.
UM, AND WHO, WHO MADE THE MOTION AGAIN? CHAIR.
MAJOR ALLEN WAS WAIVED IN HER HAND.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA LET HER.
DO YOU HAVE, BEFORE WE VOTE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? OH, UH, THERE, THERE'S AN AUDIO ISSUE AND, UH, KEVIN
MAJOR ALLIS, I WISH YOU WOULD'VE STAYED.
UM, IS, UH, AND, AND YOU OF COURSE, YOU'RE OFF OF MUTE.
IS IS A TECHNICAL ISSUE ON OUR PART, I ASSUME, JUST LIKE CHECK TO IS, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK ANYTHING SHE WOULD ADD WOULD CHANGE THE VOTE? UH, AT THIS TIME? I, I KNOW THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS IMPORTANT, MAJOR ELISE, BUT I KNOW THAT WE, UH, WE'RE GONNA INVESTIGATE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I THINK SO IT COULD BE, LET'S JUST DO IT.
UM, CALL FOR THE QUESTION SECOND.
AND MAJOR ELISE, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL FOLLOW YOU UP, FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THIS.
I'M SO SORRY WE'RE HAVING AUDIO, UH, ISSUES ON THIS.
UM, BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR HOPING TO CONTRIBUTE.
UH, AND WE WILL TRY TO WORK OUT THAT, UH, AT THIS TIME, THERE'S BEEN A CALL, UH, TO VOTE.
UM, AND LET'S DO A, A VOICE VOTE ON THIS.
UM, WHO, WHO MADE THE MOTION? DR.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PRESENTED.
ANY OPPOSED? I THINK, I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
I THINK HE WAS, UH, UNANIMOUS.
WE, UH, WE OWE, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DEEP GRATITUDE, UH, BECAUSE, UH, I HAVE ASKED THEM IF WE COULD TABLE, UH, THEIR PRESENTATION OF CHAPTER EIGHT TO NEXT MEETING.
AND I'M KIND OF BUMMED IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN A POWERPOINT FROM THE CITY'S ATTORNEY OFFICE.
I, I'VE BEEN TRAINED BEFORE AND SOMETIMES THERE'S MUSIC AND, AND, UH, UH, THIS ONE WAS PROMISED TO BE A LITTLE BIT, IT'S NOT THE ONE YOU SAW.
BUT, UM, DEEP GRATITUDE, UH, FOR THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY, UH, AND YOUR, UH, UH, GRACIOUSNESS TO ALLOW US TO GET TO BED BEFORE MIDNIGHT TONIGHT.
AND, AND IN RETURN, WE'LL PUT YOU, UH, VERY EARLY ON IN THE AGENDA FOR, UH, THE, THE MAY MEETING, UH, AS, AS GRATITUDE AS A, A TOKEN OF GRATITUDE FOR THIS, UH, GESTURE.
BUT, UH, THAT BEING SAID, UH, WE CAN FIND MY AGENDA HERE.
UH, WE WILL TABLE, UH, ITEM, UM, 3D THE BRIEFING OF CHAPTER EIGHT BOARDS OF COMMISSION TABLE THAT DISCUSSION, UH, TO THE MAY MEETING.
UM, AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO, UH, SWIFTLY THROUGH THE REST OF THE MEETING.
UM, WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE, UH, AN UPDATE, CPOB CHAIR AND OCPO DIRECTOR MONTHLY MEETING WITH DPD, CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA.
UH, AND, UH, THE CHAIR WILL RECOGNIZE, UH, OCPO, INTERIM DIRECTOR ELAINE CHANDLER, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, UM, I CAN ALSO ADD TO IT AS, AS WELL.
UH, ARE YOU ONLINE INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER?
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I AM.ANYTHING, UH, YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON, ON THE MEETING? THAT WAS TAKE, THAT TOOK PLACE? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, UH, TO ADD THAT MEETING MOSTLY FOCUSED ON, UM, YOUR INTRODUCTION TO THE CHIEF AND YOU ALL HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO GET TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WAS THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THAT MEETING.
ARE YOU HAVING ISSUES HEARING? UH, I'M HAVE, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING.
UH, DR. CHANDLER, I APOLOGIZE THIS WAY.
YOU TURNED THE VOLUME UP BY CHANCE.
ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME MORE CLEAR? I CAN HEAR YOU.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, BUT, BUT YEAH.
UM, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT, UM, IN MY VIEW, THE FOCUS OF THAT MEETING WAS YOUR INTRODUCTION TO CHIEF GARCIA AND YOU BOTH HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER.
I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS THE FIRST MEETING THAT I HAD, UH, TO MEET WITH, UH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA, UH, VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCTIONS, WHO, WHO ARE WE? UH, AND, UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO CREATE A NEW ERA.
AND, UM, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, WORKING ALONGSIDE CHIEF PAR, UH, IN OUR EFFORTS TO CREATE A HEALTHY OVERSIGHT, UH, GROUP.
UM, ONE THING HE DID OFFER, AND HE MENTIONED IT TONIGHT, WAS, UH, HELP AND ASSISTANCE IN, UH, TRYING TO RECRUIT PEOPLE FOR THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
OF COURSE, UH, ANY NAMES THAT HE WOULD, UH, PUT BEFORE WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE BOARD ITSELF, UH, EMBEDDED BY US.
BUT, UH, I WAS CONCERNED, I WAS ENCOURAGED THAT HE WAS WILLING TO, UH, PUT THE WORD OUT AMONG THE NETWORKS THAT HE WAS TO SEE IF ANYONE THAT HE KNOWS WOULD SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY.
UM, MS. YES, MR. MAPLES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND YOU SAY YOU GUYS HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
'CAUSE THE CHIEF THE WHOLE TIME HE WAS HERE SAYING HE WOULD COME HERE PERIODICALLY, BUT MEET WITH YOU MONTHLY.
ARE YOU GUYS MEETING MONTHLY? THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS APPOINTED IN FEBRUARY.
THIS WAS MY FIRST MEETING WITH HIM.
SO I SHOULDN'T BE ASKING, I SHOULD BE ASKING THE, THE REST OF THE BOARD, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE, I THINK THREE YEARS, AND I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE PERIODICALLY THAT HE EVEN MEETS WITH THE CHAIRMAN BEING MORE PERIODIC.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN, UM, INTERIM DIRECTOR, I HAVE MET WITH CHIEF GARCIA ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED EVERY TWO WEEKS.
AND ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS, UH, THE CHAIR, UM, PREVIOUSLY THE INTERIM CHAIR REVIS ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS, BUT IT HAS BEEN MONTHLY.
BUT, UH, I WILL, UM, ONE THING I DID LEARN IS I, I WASN'T IN CHARGE OF SCHEDULING I THE SCHEDULE, UH, IT WAS SENT TO ME, HEY, THIS IS THE, THE MEETING.
SO I'M GONNA BE, UH, UH, INTENTIONAL TO SEEK THAT MEETING OUT ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND I'LL KEEP THE BOARD UPDATED AS WELL ON THAT.
UM, JUST REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME 'CAUSE WHAT YOU SAY IS REAL IMPORTANT.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
SINCE JANUARY, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE, UM, OVERSIGHT OFFICE.
SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW.
'CAUSE I, I'VE, I HAVE RECEIVED SOME EMAILS.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME GROUP EMAILS SENT, SO I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE EMAIL ADDRESS IS CORRECT.
BUT THANK YOU FOR NOTIFYING THAT.
AND, AND STAFF, IF YOU'RE HEARING THAT, UH, MIGHT BE GOOD TO FOLLOW UP WITH, WITH, UH, DR.
LORD JONATHAN MAPLES DISTRICT TOO.
I TOO HAVE, ARE HAVING EMAIL ISSUES ON, I DON'T, I NOT MY PERSONAL EMAIL AND THE CITY EMAIL.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, MR. UH, GRAM IS HAVING THOSE SAME TYPE OF EMAIL SITUATIONS ALSO.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY GOOD TO KNOW.
UH, 'CAUSE I DO KNOW OF SEVERAL EMAILS THAT WERE SENT OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS FOR THE POLICE CHIEF, AND, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYONE RESPONDED, AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THAT NOT ALL EMAILS ARRIVED.
SO, UH, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO KNOW AND, AND, UH, THINK I IS CORRECT THIS, UH, JUDGE LANDER AND DISTRICT EIGHT, I HAVE THE SAME ISSUE BECAUSE IF I HAD KNOWN THAT I WOULD'VE HAD TO GIVE A, UH, QUESTION TO, UH, THE CHIEF IN WRITING BEFORE I COULD ASK HIM A QUESTION THIS EVENING, I WOULD'VE DONE SO BECAUSE I HAD SOME FOLLOW UPS BEFORE YOU ENDED THE, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE CHIEF.
SO, UH, YES, THAT THE EMAIL SITUATION IS MINE TOO.
AND I HOPE THE OFFICE IS, IS, UH, MEMBERS
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OF THE OFFICE.CAN YOU, CLARK, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT AS THE OFFICE WILL, UH, LOOK INTO THAT ISSUE, BUT THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT AWARE TO THE OFFICE WITHOUT ANY FURTHER, UH, MO ANY FURTHER MOTION ON 3G ON THE, UH, WELL, I APOLOGIZE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THREE F WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, MEMO ITEM 3G MEMBERS, UH, THE REPORT, THE DPD MONTHLY ARREST DATA.
AND, UH, IF YOU LOOK, UH, AT THE FOLLOWING PAGES, AGAIN, THIS IS A MONTHLY, A MONTHLY REPORT GIVEN, UH, TO THE BOARD BASED ON DISTRICT TYPES OF ARREST.
AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME WITHOUT ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, WE CAN, UH, CLOSE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND MOVE ON, UH, TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT, UH, OCPO, INTAKE SPECIALIST JAMES GRIFFIN.
UH, COME ON DOWN AND, UH, GIVE A AS FAST AS YOU CAN.
UH, BUT, BUT SHARING THE NIECE NEEDED INFORMATION, UH, UM, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
AND ONCE YOU'RE SEATED AND THE MIC'S TURNED ON, UH, YOU'LL BE RECOGNIZED AS, UH, THE SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, THE, UH, ATTACHED IS THE MARCH MONTHLY COMPLAINT STATISTICAL REPORT FROM THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.
AND IT CONTAINS A SUMMATION OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EXTERNAL COMPLAINTS TURNED INTO THE OCPO AND IAD THE SOURCE OF THE COMPLAINTS AND THE DISPOSITION OF THE COMPLAINTS ALSO ATTACHED ARE EX ARE AS AN EXAMPLE OF EXTERNAL COMPLAINT, WORKFLOW DIAGRAM AND OTHER ALSO.
UM, SO ALL OF THESE ARE ATTACHED AND FOR YOUR REVIEW, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM I HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE LOOK OVER THE NEEDED ATTACHMENTS AT THIS TIME AND, UM, WILL BE SOME TIME TO REFLECT.
UH, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS, UH, YOU'LL HAVE THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME TO ADDRESS AND ASK, UH, INTAKE SPECIALIST.
JAMES, UM, ON, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LABELED, BUT THE, THE PAGE WITH THE GRID.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, JAMES? LOOK UP.
UM, THIS BOTTOM BLOCK OF, UM, CALLS, IT SAYS PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION AND OUTCOME.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING WHAT USED TO BE CALLED NO INVESTIGATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? I, I BELIEVE SO.
THAT, YES, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
AND HERE WE HAVE IT SORT OF BROKEN DOWN AS TO WHY, RIGHT? YES.
STILL THE BIGGEST CATEGORY OF CALLS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ADDRESSED TO INTAKE SPECIALIST JAMES GRIFFIN? AND OF THOSE CALLS WHERE THE, UH, POLICE HAVE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WORD, UM, NO INVESTIGATION AND NONE OF THOSE, HAVE YOU FOUND ANYTHING THAT YOU FELT WE SHOULD BE PRESENTED? THERE? THERE, THERE WE RECEIVED MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS AND, AND THERE AND, UH, UH, OVER 70% OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE NO INVESTIGATION.
AND, AND SO WE LOOKED THROUGH A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS AND THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE WE HAVE A WEEKLY MEETING WITH OUR, WITH IAD AND THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE WE'VE HAD ISSUES OR, OR SOMETHING THAT MAY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND WE'VE HAD DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND, AND MYSELF AND, AND WE, WE'VE HAD TALKED WITH, HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH IAD AND ACTUALLY CHANGE DETERMINATION.
SO, SO THAT, THAT, THAT DOES HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT, IT MAY NOT HAPPEN, BUT, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN.
THAT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS MONTH, THAT THIS MONTH, UH, YES.
UM, NOW THERE IS A LIST OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE, WE HAD NO, WE HAD NO DISAGREEMENTS THAT WERE NOTED.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ONGOING, UH, DIVISION REFERRALS AND INVESTIGATIONS FROM THIS MONTH THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY MONITORING.
IF YOU SEE ON THE LIST AND IT, AND IT'LL SAY IF IT'S A DIVISION REFERRAL, WE'RE MONITORING
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AND, AND THEN, BUT THERE WERE NO, FOR THIS MONTH, NO, NO DISAGREEMENTS.BUT JAMES, UM, FOR PART OF THIS MONTH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE WERE SORT OF OPERATING UNDER THE BELIEF THAT WHAT DPD DECIDED WAS NO INVESTIGATION, WE COULDN'T TOUCH.
BUT THE, THE, ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THAT TYPICALLY WAS ONLY APPLYING AS FAR AS THE COMPLAINTS AS FAR AS THE NO INVESTIGATION OR NOT, IF IT WAS A REQUEST FOR A REVIEW.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE CITIZEN CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, I'M UNHAPPY, AND IT HAD BEEN RULED IN NO INVESTIGATION, SO WE HAD A HANDFUL OF THOSE THAT WE WERE WORKING ON, THAT WAS THE ISSUE, AND WE WOULD PRESENT THOSE FOR REVIEW, LIKE I JUST DONE WITH MR. BLACK.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT WAS TOLD IF THEY WERE, IF IT HAD BEEN RULED IN NO INVESTIGATION.
BUT, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING COME FORWARD THIS MONTH YET WITH A CHANGE, BUT I'M SURE I WILL.
BUT EARLIER IN THE MONTH WHEN WE WERE, WHEN WE BELIEVED THAT A DPD NO INVESTIGATION, WE COULDN'T TOUCH IT.
WE WEREN'T REALLY LOOKING TO SEE IF WE DISAGREED EITHER BECAUSE NO, WE COULDN'T TOUCH IT.
WE WERE, WE, WE, WE, EVERY, EVERY COMPLAINT WE, IIII, I PERSONALLY VET EVERY COMPLAINT THAT GOES THROUGH.
AND I LOOK AT THEM AND WE LOOK FOR FACE UP JUST TO SEE IF THEY MEET, UH, UH, THE, THE BARE MINIMUM IS QUOTE, AND I MAKE MY NOTES A LOT OF TIMES.
SOME OF THE, A LOT OF THEM AREN'T INVESTIGATIONS.
WE, THERE, THERE'S THE MYRIAD OF COMPLAINTS, WE GET IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE EVERYBODY THEIR FAIR SHAKE.
AND I, AND I LOOK AT THEM AND I MAKE A, A QUICK ASSESSMENT.
AM I GOING THROUGH AND AM I DOING A FULL FLEDGED INVESTIGATION ON EVERY COMPLAINT THAT COMES ACROSS MY DESK? NO.
BUT, BUT I AM LOOKING AT THEM AND THEN DETERMINING IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, BASED ON MY JUDGMENT AND MY EXPERIENCE THAT THAT NEEDS FURTHER LOOKING INTO.
AND THEN I, THEN I PUT THAT ASIDE AND THEN I WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND START LOOKING AT THE VIDEOS, ALL OF THAT.
BUT, SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT I'VE DONE AT WHERE THE PROCESS WE ARE NOW AND I, THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
YOU'RE, YOU ARE THE ONE IN THE OFFICE WHO IS DOING THAT, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HELPING YOU WITH I'M ALSO IT, AND IM ALSO ASSISTED, UH, BUT I'M ALSO ASSISTED BY A VERY CAPABLE TEAM.
I HAVE A POLICY ANALYST NOW WITH ME TO SUPPORT ME AS SIERRA.
SHE HELPS ME ALSO IF I NEED HELP.
AND ALSO CLARK, HE HELPS ME TOO.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT I DO THAT IS NOT OUTSIDE OF, AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UH, FROM THE BOARD DIRECTED TOWARDS INTAKE SPECIALISTS, UM, JAMES GRIFFIN, I, I I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION.
D WADSWORTH, UM, UH, D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12 JAMES.
I LOOK AT THIS LIST AND IT, WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF THESE WHERE IT SAYS COMPLAINANT DID NOT ARTICULATE A COMPLAINT.
SO IS THE COMP, IF THE WRITTEN RECORD DOES NOT SEEM TO COME TO THE POINT OF WHAT THE COMPLAINT IS, IS THERE ACTION BY THE OFFICE TO FURTHER ENGAGE THAT PERSON IN DIALOGUE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COMPLAINT IS? YES.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING.
AND THAT'S UNDER, UH, UH, CHRISTOPHER CLARK'S DIRECTION.
HE HAS GAVE ME THE, THE, THE INSTRUCTIONS AND THE WHEREWITHAL TO ON THOSE, IF, IF THERE ARE CASES THAT COME THROUGH, AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE SUB SUB THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT SUFFICIENT ON THEMSELF, THAT I CAN REACH OUT TO THEM AND GA GATHER INFORMATION TO TRY TO HELP, HELP THE COMPLAINT ALONE.
SO, AND, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETIMES THIS IS A PROCESS OF, UH, IF THEY SEND A COMPLAINT BY EMAIL REPLYING TO THEIR EMAIL, ASKING THEM FOR MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION.
SO IT, IT JUST DEPENDS, DEPENDS, UH, ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT WE ARE, WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH THE COMPLAINT WITH THE COMPLAINANTS WHEN THEY COME IN.
SO YOU'RE REPLY BACK TO THEM WOULD BE, WE CANNOT ACCEPT YOUR COMPLAINT UNTIL WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION.
ARE YOU VERY DIRECT WITH THEM? YES.
I, BECAUSE WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE PERCEPTION OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOB TO TAKE THEIR CONCERNS SERIOUSLY.
AND I THINK SOME OF THESE PEOPLE MAY HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION ISSUES OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE DIFFICULTY FILLING OUT THE FORM OR WHATEVER.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT US TO MISS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE OF CONCERN TO THE BOARD JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ARTICULATE IT WELL.
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YEAH.AND, AND THAT'S A VERY VALID CONCERN.
AND THAT WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY.
ARE THINGS AS OPTIMAL AS THEY CAN BE? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
ARE WE WORKING HARD TO, TO, TO GET TO THAT LEVEL? ABSOLUTELY.
ARE WE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? YES.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT I CAN TELL YOU WITH THAT.
SO WE HAVE 13 OF THESE THIS MONTH, AND THAT SEEMED LIKE A LARGE NUMBER OF THIS DID NOT ARTICULATE.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK THE OFFICE TO BE VERY THOROUGH.
NOW THAT YOU'RE STAFFED UP A LITTLE BETTER, MAYBE TWO PEOPLE CAN WORK ON THIS AND, AND SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A PHONE CALL.
SOMEBODY ELSE CAN SEND AN EMAIL.
AND, AND TO BE VERY THOROUGH AND, AND, AND TO, AND TO BE FAIR, THERE'S A, A LOT OF THESE, IF YOU LOOK, A LOT OF THESE ARE, ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT THAT WE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS.
ONE, ONE OR TWO OR THREE INDIVIDUALS WILL SEND MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT ARE ALL BASICALLY IDENTICAL OR THAT, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS THIS WAY ON THE PAPER, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO OPENLY LOOK AT EACH CA CASE.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE A DO NOT ART DID NOT ARTICULATE.
I MEAN, THAT SHOULD BE LISTED IN DIFFERENT WORDING.
SO OUR STATISTICS ARE ACCURATE.
EXCEPT FOR IT MAY, IT, IT WOULD BE A SIMILAR, BUT THEY WILL USE DIFFERENT WORDING.
SO, BUT, BUT I GET YOUR POINT AND I UNDERSTAND AND WE ARE WORKING ON IT.
JAMES, LET ME CALL YOUR ATTENTION SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR SECOND PAGE AT THE TOP WHERE IT SAYS, AND I QUOTE, COMPLAINANT ALLEGED HER NINE ONE ONE CALL WAS NOT LOGGED IN WHEN SHE CALLED AND WAITED THREE HOURS UNTIL DPD SHOWED UP.
AND YOU SAID COMPLAINANT DID NOT ARTICULATE, MISSPELLED, ARTICULATE A COMPLAINT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE ARTICULATION OF A COMPLAINT TO ME.
UM, WHICH ONE? TOP OF THE PAGE.
DATE 3 4 20 24 EC 20 24 0 180 9.
HOW IS THAT? COMPLAINANT DID NOT ARTICULATE A COMPLAINT.
THAT ISN'T, I WILL, I WILL LOOK BACK AT THAT AND THAT MAY JUST BE A TYPO ON THOSE TYPE IN THIS FORM, BUT I WILL, I WILL, I WILL FOLLOW UP AND GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
WELL, IT ALSO GOES ON TO SAY, REVIEWED BY OCPO AND IAD AND IS NO INVESTIGATION.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS ARTICULATED TO ME AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING.
I'M SORRY, MY THREE MINUTES A ROW
YEAH, TO THAT WHAT HIGGINS CAN, IS IT ANY WAY WE CAN GET THAT BEFORE NEXT BOARD MEETING? THANK YOU.
BECAUSE WE ARE LITERALLY MOVING AT MONTH AT ONE STEP EACH MONTH INCREMENTALLY ON SOME OF THIS STUFF, AND WE GOTTA MOVE FASTER.
SO LIKE, CAN WE HAVE THAT BEFORE THE THE BOARD MEETING? ABSOLUTELY.
I WILL, I WILL, I WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS COMPLAINT, AND I WILL, I WILL RE-LOOK AT THIS, AND, AND I WILL, I WILL HAVE AN ANSWER.
JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO, JAMES, DON'T, DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEATING UP ON YOU, MA'AM.
WE, WE JUST, WE JUST NEED TO BE AS THOROUGH AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN BE FAIR AND OBJECTIVE AND WE'RE THE FRONT FACING TO THE, TO THE CITIZENS OUT THERE.
SO WE, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW CERTAIN THINGS ARE DONE IN A CERTAIN WAY.
SO DON'T, DON'T YOU FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE JUMPING ON YOU.
WE JUST, I KNOW IT SOMETIMES IT COULD BE PERCEIVED THAT WAY, BUT YOU'RE GOOD.
YOU GOOD? I, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE A CHALLENGE.
SO I'VE NEVER BEEN ONE TO SHY AWAY FROM A CHALLENGE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE FOR.
WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP MAKE THE CITIZENS BETTER.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE END GOAL.
AND SO IF YOU PUSHING ME TO GO BACK AND RE-LOOK AT THIS, I'LL DO IT.
AND THEN WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ADDRESSED TO, UH, JAMES? SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD ON THAT.
ONE THING I DID NOT DO, WHICH I, UH, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE CHAGA HIGGINS PRESENCE.
WE TOOK ROLE AND HE WASN'T THERE WHEN WE CAME, BUT I WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT DISTRICT THREE, CHAGA HIGGINS IS PRESENT BEFORE WE CLOSE TODAY.
SO ANYWAY, FOR THE RECORD, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING, ITEM FIVE, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING FOR, UH, THIS, UH, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD WILL BE MAY 14TH, 2024, UH, MAY 14TH, 2024.
PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND, UH, IT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER GREAT MEETING, UH, JUST LIKE TODAY.
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YOU'RE NOT EXCITED ENOUGH, CHAPTER EIGHT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT ON, UH, MAY 14TH.LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT PRESENTATION.
UH, WE DO WANT TO LEAVE ROOM FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, THAT, UH, ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY WANT TO SPEAK, UH, WE HAVE A THREE MINUTES GIVEN TO ANYONE.
UH, KEVIN, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, THE BOARD AT THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR.
NONE AS WE SEE RIGHT NOW, SIR.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, KEVIN.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? UH, THIS MEETING, THIS EVENING? THANK KITNER DISTRICT 13.
SECOND JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.