Apr 15, 2024 Transportation and Infrastructure Committee/ DART Board Special Called Joint Meeting

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GOOD AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS 1:06 P.M.

[Transportation and Infrastructure Committee/ DART Board Special Called Joint Meeting on April 15, 2024. ]

CHAIRMAN. YES.

GARY SLAGEL, CHAIRMAN OF THE DART BOARD.

AND I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE DART BOARD AS WELL.

VERY GOOD. AND I WOULD LIKE TO TURN THIS MEETING OVER THEN TO OUR CHAIR NORRIS, AS ACTING CHAIR OF THIS JOINT MEETING, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? SEEING NO OBJECTION SO MOVED AND ORDERED.

AT THIS TIME EVERYONE GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR DART BOARD MEMBERS, EVEN OUR NEWEST ONE WHO HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD, I THINK HAS IT BEEN TWO WEEKS YET? MAYBE CLOSE TO IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALSO BEING HERE AND MAKING THAT TIME.

AS YOU HAD SAID DURING YOUR INTERVIEW, YOU WOULD BE COMMITTED TO MAKING TIME FOR DART.

SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE IF YOU EVERYBODY LOOKS AT THE AGENDA THIS THE BEGINNING IS THE DART OPERATIONS UPDATE.

AND THEN FROM THERE WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE DART SERVICE AREA POPULATION AND SALES TAX TREND, WHICH I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ AT THAT POINT.

SO SHE CAN EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

AND THEN THEN FROM THERE, WE'LL GO ON TO THE DART/CITY OF DALLAS JOINT INITIATIVES UPDATE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE THIS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO JUMP INTO OTHER AREAS.

AND IF YOU'RE JUMPING INTO B OR I MEAN C OR D AGENDA ITEMS, I'LL TRY TO PULL YOU BACK, YOU KNOW, JUST SO WE CAN GET THERE WHEN WE GET THERE.

THAT WAY WE DON'T GET TOO OUT OF ORDER.

BUT I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE HARD BECAUSE OPERATIONS TOUCHES, LIKE, EVERYTHING, SO.

BUT LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT MINDFUL THERE AND NOT MOVE INTO OTHER AGENDA ITEMS IF POSSIBLE.

BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, HEY, LET'S REIN IT IN A LITTLE BIT IF IF NEEDED.

SO WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR DART OPERATIONS UPDATE.

NADINE LEE, THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT, WILL BE THE ONE PRESENTING.

AND THEN WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, WE'LL GO INTO Q&A FROM THE ENTIRE BODY THAT'S SITTING HERE.

SO DART AND CITY OF DALLAS, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A DART, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO CITY AND CITY TALKING TO DART.

THIS IS A JOINT CONVERSATION OF US UP HERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, SOME A DART PERSON WANTS TO SPEAK IN OR JUMP IN DURING.

OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO CITY AND THEN DART LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST.

SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE UP.

ALL RIGHT. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD FOR EVERYBODY? VERY GOOD. EXCELLENT.

NADINE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU CHAIR NARVAEZ, CHAIR SLAGEL AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE DART BOARD.

I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AT DART.

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SO TODAY I'M GOING TO COVER A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. A LOT OF THEM VERY MUCH RELATED TO QUALITY OF OUR SERVICES AND BUILDING OUR RIDERSHIP FOR THE FUTURE.

AND SO I'M GOING TO START BY GIVING YOU JUST A LITTLE QUICK UPDATE ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

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I WANT TO GIVE YOU THIS UPDATE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE LAST YEAR, AND I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD BITS AND PIECES OF IT IN THE LAST FEW PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE GIVEN TO YOU.

THE MOST BASIC PREMISE OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS WE WANT TO MOVE DART FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH IS A SERVICE THAT PEOPLE SOMETIMES USE TO BECOME A STRATEGIC ECONOMIC AND MOBILITY ASSET, WHICH WE THINK IS THE KEY TO A THRIVING REGION FOR PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES.

SOME OF THE KEY POINTS THAT DRIVE OUR OUR WORK HERE ARE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 4 MILLION PEOPLE COMING TO THE REGION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, AND THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH REGION IS EXPECTED TO SURPASS CHICAGO AS THE THIRD LARGEST METRO IN THE US IN THE NEXT DECADE.

THERE IS A HUGE DESIRE TO SUSTAIN AND GROW OUR ECONOMIC PROWESS IN THE COUNTRY.

AND I SAY PROWESS BECAUSE DFW HAS AN IS AN INCREDIBLE ECONOMIC ENGINE, AND WE WANT TO KEEP THAT GROWTH HAPPENING.

AND IT'S REALLY CRITICAL TO ENSURE THAT TRANSPORTATION IS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE TO CONTINUE PROSPERITY FOR EVERYONE IN THE REGION.

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OUR STRATEGIC PLAN HAS SIX GOALS THAT HELP US ACHIEVE THIS TRANSFORMATIVE CHANGE.

THE GOALS ARE ACTUALLY ARRANGED KIND OF TO ADDRESS THREE DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.

FIRST, THE AGENCY GOALS FOCUS ON OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR ORGANIZATION.

SUPPORTING OUR ABILITY TO BE RESPONSIVE AND NIMBLE, TO FOSTER CONTRIBUTION ACROSS OUR AGENCY BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO WELL WITH OUR AGENCY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER ANYTHING ELSE.

THE SECOND CATEGORY IS REALLY CUSTOMER FOCUSED GOALS THAT EMPHASIZE QUALITY SERVICE BUILT ON PROFESSIONAL PRIDE, AS WELL AS SEAMLESS MOBILITY THAT HELPS TO POSITION DART AS FIRST IN MIND FOR ALL YOUR TRAVEL NEEDS.

AND THEN THE THIRD CATEGORY IS FANTASTIC SPACES AND STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIPS, WHICH ARE BOTH COMMUNITY FOCUSED.

WE ARE TRYING TO ADD VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITIES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO LEVERAGE START TO UNCOVER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ADVANCE STRONG COMMUNITIES AND A STRONG REGION.

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IN ADVANCE OF BOARD APPROVAL I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE ARE ALREADY INCORPORATING THESE GOALS INTO OUR WORK.

FIRST, IN QUALITY SERVICE.

THIS IS ABOUT THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.

IN FY 23, THE DART BOARD APPROVED $110 MILLION TO TO PROVIDE RIDER IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREAS OF SECURITY, CLEANLINESS, CLEANLINESS AND RELIABILITY, WHICH ARE THE THREE TOP ISSUES THAT WE HEAR IN OUR CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SURVEYS FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

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OH I'M SORRY YOU WERE ON THE RIGHT SLIDE.

THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO DART IS DEVELOPING A PROGRESSIVE AND INNOVATIVE SECURITY STRATEGY THAT WILL INCORPORATE A RANGE OF TOOLS AND RESOURCES TO DELIVER PEACE OF MIND FOR ALL WHEN INTERACTING WITH DART.

SOME FACETS ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY INCLUDING TECHNOLOGY, ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, STAFFING AND THE DART CARES PILOT PROGRAM.

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WE ARE WE HAVE ADDED 100 ADDITIONAL SECURITY OFFICERS TO OUR SYSTEM, AND WE CONTINUE TO RECRUIT POLICE OFFICERS TO INCREASE STAFFING LEVELS.

WE HAVE LAUNCHED A DART CARES PILOT PROGRAM TO CONNECT INDIVIDUALS WITH MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED.

AND I WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR THE PARTNERSHIP WITH DALLAS FIRE RESCUE AND PARKLAND TO GET THIS PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING.

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WE HAVE ADDED SIGNIFICANTLY TO OUR CLEANING REGIMEN ACROSS OUR SERVICES.

AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, CLEANLINESS IS ONE OF THE TOP ISSUES THAT WE HEAR IN OUR CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SURVEYS EVERY YEAR.

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WE HAVE TERMINAL STATION CLEANINGS FOR OUR LIGHT RAIL VEHICLES THAT INCLUDE WIPING DOWN HIGH TOUCH SURFACES, SWEEPING THE TRAINS, AND ALSO REMOVING LITTER AND TRASH.

IN ADDITION, WE HAVE ADDED ROVING ON BOARD PORTERS TO RIDE TRAINS TO ADDRESS LITTER AND TRASH, WHILE THE WHILE THE TRAINS ARE IN SERVICE.

THIS REALLY HELPS US KEEP OUR TRAINS CLEAN FOR CUSTOMERS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

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ON THE BUS SIDE WE ARE DOING MIDDAY CLEANINGS AS WELL.

THESE ADDITIONAL CLEANINGS HELP OUR OPERATORS AS MUCH AS THEY HELP OUR CUSTOMERS AND PROVIDE FOR A GREAT EXPERIENCE IN THE WORKPLACE FOR EMPLOYEES, AS WELL AS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.

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AT STATIONS AND CUSTOMER FACILITIES WE HAVE ALSO RAMPED UP THE CLEANING TO ENSURE A COMFORTABLE WAITING EXPERIENCE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.

THE WAITING EXPERIENCE ON YOUR JOURNEY CAN BE EVERY BIT AS IMPORTANT AS THE RIDING EXPERIENCE, SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THEIR RIDE TO COME.

AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM, WE ALSO HAVE ELEVATOR ATTENDANTS ON DUTY FROM 6 A.M.

TO 11 11:30 P.M.

DAILY TO HELP CUSTOMERS AND DETER INDIVIDUALS FROM TAKING UP RESIDENCE IN OUR ELEVATORS.

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EVERYTHING WE DO TO IMPROVE THE CLEANLINESS OF THE SYSTEM IS MONITORED FOR QUALITY ASSURANCE.

WE HAVE ADDED A NUMBER OF INSPECTORS TO ENSURE OUR CONTRACTORS ARE DOING WHAT THEY PROMISE TO DO, AND THE DESIRED OUTCOME.

AGAIN, I CAN'T REPEAT IT ENOUGH IS TO PRODUCE A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR OUR RIDERS.

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HERE ARE SOME STATS ON OUR CURRENT SERVICE DELIVERY.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE ARE DELIVERING OVER 99% OF SCHEDULED TRIPS, AND THIS IS NO SMALL FEAT.

WHEN I FIRST STARTED, WE WERE ONLY DELIVERING 85% OF OUR SCHEDULED TRIPS.

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WE'RE DOING A LOT OF ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE ROOT CAUSES OF DELAY.

IT TAKES A LOT TO MITIGATE DELAY, AND I WILL JUST SAY THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERNAL FACTORS AS WELL AS EXTERNAL FACTORS.

THE THREE MAIN THINGS THAT IMPACT SERVICE DELIVERY ARE HAVING PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO WORK, HAVING EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE TO RUN THE SERVICE.

AND ALSO THERE ARE THINGS IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT ALSO IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO STAY ON TIME.

SO PEOPLE, EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABILITY ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CONTROL OR AT LEAST HAVE A GOOD HAND IN CONTROLLING THE OPERATING ENVIRONMENT OUT ON THE STREET IS NOT IN OUR DIRECT CONTROL. WHEN YOU CONSIDER FACTORS LIKE CARS ABANDONED ON OUR TRACKS, WHICH PROBABLY HAPPENS EVERY DAY.

ACCIDENTS THAT STALL TRAFFIC AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

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FROM A PERSONNEL PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE CURRENTLY MOST UNDERSTAFFED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE AND MANAGEMENT POSITIONS AS WELL AS DART POLICE, AND THAT WILL BE NO SURPRISE TO YOU.

AS I KNOW THE CITY OF DALLAS IS ALSO TRYING TO RECRUIT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

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I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OPERATOR VACANCIES COMPARED TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE ARE EXTREMELY LOW AT DART.

NATIONALLY, THE VACANCY RATE FOR BUS OPERATOR OPERATORS IS TYPICALLY BETWEEN 17 AND 18%.

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OUR VACANCY RATE ON THE RAIL SIDE IS 3.6%, AND OUR HIRING SUCCESS CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO OUR BI MONTHLY HIRING EVENTS THAT WE HOLD AT DART HEADQUARTERS.

EVERY EVENT WELCOMES AROUND 300 APPLICANTS WHO ARE SEEKING EMPLOYMENT AT OUR AGENCY.

AND THESE EVENTS IN COMBINATION WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH, NEWLY DEVELOPED EFFICIENCIES IN OUR HIRING PROCESS AND CROSS-DEPARTMENTAL COLLABORATION IN ALL STEPS OF OPERATOR RECRUITMENT HAVE LED TO MUCH SUCCESS IN OUR HIRING EFFORTS.

THAT SAID, WE STILL DEAL WITH SIGNIFICANT ABSENTEEISM, AND SO WE NEED TO BE VIGILANT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE MEET OUR SERVICE NEEDS.

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ALONG THE LINES OF SERVICE RELIABILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABILITY.

WE ARE GETTING READY TO DO SOME REALLY IMPORTANT WORK IN PREPARATION FOR OUR HOT SUMMER MONTHS.

IN EARLY MAY WE'RE GOING TO BE RE TENSIONING OUR OVERHEAD CATENARY SYSTEM THROUGH DOWNTOWN DALLAS, AND THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE US TO DO SOME SINGLE SINGLE TRACK OPERATIONS OVER 50 OR 54 HOUR PERIOD FOR THE WEEKENDS OF MAY 3RD AND MAY 10TH.

THE INFORMATION IS SHOWN HERE ON YOUR SLIDE, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS FOR YOU TO SHARE WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

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EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING TO IMPROVE SERVICE QUALITY CONTRIBUTES TO THE GROWTH OF RIDERSHIP.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT SYSTEM WIDE, WE'RE AT ABOUT 83% OF PRE-COVID RIDERSHIP.

PARATRANSIT AND GO GO LINK RIDERSHIP EXCEEDS PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS.

WEEKEND RIDERSHIP GROWTH HAS BEEN MUCH STRONGER THAN WEEKDAY RIDERSHIP, AND WE EXPECT RIDERSHIP TO CONTINUE TO GROW WITH CONTINUED INVESTMENTS IN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF OUR SYSTEM. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

LOOKING AT THE CURRENT INDUSTRY TRENDS, WE'RE SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AT 83%, AS I MENTIONED.

AND SO WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT SATISFIED.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

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THE SECOND GOAL RELATED TO OUR RIDERS IS SEAMLESS MOBILITY, WHICH IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THE AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES, THE EASE OF ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY OF OUR SERVICES.

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WHILE RIDERSHIP IS TRENDING UP, WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND ENHANCE SERVICE THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE SERVICE AREA.

AND HERE ARE SOME CHANGES FOR DALLAS.

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IN JANUARY, WE RESTORED BUS SERVICE TO THE DICKSON CIRCLE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE ALSO EXPANDED OUR GO LINK ZONE TO ZONE PILOT TO FIVE ZONES IN DALLAS.

THAT INCLUDES THE PRESTON HOLLOW, NORTH DALLAS AND NORTH CENTRAL DALLAS ZONES UP IN THE NORTH AND THEN IN THE FAR SOUTHEAST.

THE RILEY AND KLEBERG ZONES ARE NOW CONNECTED WITH THE ZONE TO ZONE SERVICE.

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STARTING IN JUNE, ADDISON, FAR NORTH, DALLAS AND RICHARDSON WILL SEE A SERIES OF ROUTE CHANGES IN RESPONSE TO CUSTOMER FEEDBACK.

A SINGLE EAST WEST ROUTE WILL OPERATE ON BELTLINE THROUGH FAR NORTH DALLAS.

WE ARE GOING TO RESTORE A FIXED ROUTE SERVICE BETWEEN ADDISON AND ARAPAHO STATION, WHICH WILL REPLACE THE CENTRAL RICHARDSON GO LINK SERVICE.

AND WE'RE ALSO ADDING A NEW ROUTE TO CONNECT THE ARAPAHO STATION AND UT DALLAS.

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IN SEPTEMBER, WE ARE GOING TO ADD A ROUTE THAT SERVES ARLINGTON PARK, THE MEXICAN CONSULATE, AND EMPIRE CENTRAL.

WE'RE RESTORING SERVICE TO NEIGHBORHOODS NEAR LOVE FIELD ON ROUTE 207.

WE ARE GOING TO A 10 MINUTE SERVICE FOR MOST OF THE DAY ON ROUTE 22 BETWEEN FOREST LANE AND THE FOREST JUPITER STATION, AND WE ARE ALSO IMPROVING WEEKEND SERVICE FREQUENCY IN THE MORNING AND EVENING ON LIGHT RAIL.

ALL FOUR LINES WILL NOW OPERATE EVERY 20 MINUTES BETWEEN 6 A.M.

AND 10 P.M.

ON THE WEEKENDS.

AND SO SERVICE AVAILABLE AVAILABILITY IN THE FORM OF FREQUENCY IS ONE OF THE KEY THINGS WE CAN DO TO PROVIDE BETTER MOBILITY AND RELIEVE CONGESTION.

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ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF INCREASING ACCESS TO TRANSIT IS OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH TOYOTA AND CIRCUIT TO PROVIDE AN ON DEMAND SERVICE IN WEST DALLAS.

THIS IS AN ALL ELECTRIC SHUTTLE THAT RUNS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 7 A.M.

TO 7 P.M., AND THE PILOT IS SCHEDULED TO RUN THROUGH DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

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A COUPLE OF THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT IN ADDITION TO THE SERVICE CHANGES, OUR CORE PROGRAM IS LOOKING AT WAYS TO IMPROVE SPEED AND RELIABILITY OF OUR BUS ROUTES, AND ALSO THE WAITING EXPERIENCE FOR OUR RIDERS.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS A RENDERING OF THE NEXT GENERATION BUS STOP SHELTER, WHICH IS THE RESULT OF A DESIGN COLLABORATION BETWEEN DART AND THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS ARLINGTON ARCHITECTURE STUDENTS.

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WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO ENHANCE OUR FACILITIES WITH MOBILITY HUB ELEMENTS THAT IMPROVE ACCESS, MOBILITY CHOICES AND CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.

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AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON IDEAS FOR INTEGRATING THE TRINITY LOOP TRAIL THROUGH OUR LAWNVIEW STATION AS THAT PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.

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LET ME JUST TOUCH ON EV CHARGING AS PART OF THE MOBILITY HUBS CONCEPT, WE IMPLEMENTED OUR FIRST EV CHARGERS LAST SUMMER USING A GRANT FROM NCTCOG, AND WE RECEIVED FUNDING TO INSTALL INSTALL THESE EV CHARGERS AT THE ILLINOIS STATION AS WELL AS THE GLENN HEIGHTS PARK AND RIDE.

CHARGING IS CURRENTLY FREE AT THESE LOCATIONS THROUGH AUGUST 31ST OF THIS YEAR, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO FUND EV CHARGERS THROUGH ADDITIONAL GRANT PROGRAMS AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE.

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SO AS WE GROW, IT WILL BE INCREASINGLY MORE IMPORTANT TO USE THE CAPACITY OF OUR SYSTEM TO CARRY MORE PEOPLE MORE EFFICIENTLY.

AND WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO LEVERAGE DART AS A TRUE ECONOMIC AND MOBILITY ASSET FOR OUR REGION.

THERE ARE A TON OF WAYS THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE ACROSS OUR SERVICE AREA TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY AND CONNECTIVITY OF DART.

YOU SEE SOME OF THOSE IDEAS LISTED HERE.

AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH DALLAS AND ALL THE DART CITIES TO MAKE THIS STRATEGIC VISION A REALITY.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH, NADINE, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S EXCITING TO SEE SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND SOME OF THE THE NEW TECHNOLOGY STARTING TO BE INSTALLED.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP.

IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE I'LL JUST START WITH TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE OR ANYBODY FROM DART THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR SO.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

IF YOU DO JUST FOR DART BOARD MEMBERS, I KNOW Y'ALL AREN'T USED TO BEING IN THIS ROOM ALL THE TIME.

JUST PUSH YOUR SPEAK BUTTON, AND WHEN YOU PUSH THAT SPEAK BUTTON, THIS RED LIGHT WILL TURN ON.

AND THEN JUST THAT WAY I CAN SEE IT.

AND THEN I'LL NOTE MYSELF FOR CHAIRMAN SLAGEL WILL CALL ON YOU TO HAVE THE FLOOR AT THAT POINT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU, NADINE, FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

IT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT METRICS.

COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE METRICS THAT ARE BEING USED TO ASSESS THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE TRANSIT SECURITY PROGRAM, AS WELL AS THE CLEANLINESS? SO I'LL START.

AND THEN CHIEF CATO CAN COME AND SUPPLEMENT BECAUSE HE IS THE EXPERT.

SOME OF THE METRICS THAT WE USE RELATED TO SECURITY HOVER AROUND OUR RESPONSE TIME.

OUR I THINK OUR TARGET FOR RESPONSE TIME IS AROUND 8 MINUTES, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY TRENDING BELOW THAT.

I THINK WE'RE AROUND 5 OR 6 MINUTES.

AND THE CHIEF CAN CORROBORATE THAT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE METRICS THAT WE USE.

CERTAINLY WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEPLOY OUR STAFF.

I WON'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF DEPLOYMENT OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT HOT SPOTS IN OUR SYSTEM AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING SECURITY DETAIL WHERE, WHERE IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE.

AND SO LET ME TURN IT OVER TO THE CHIEF.

YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.

WE HAVE WE HAVE THREE METRICS THAT WE GO BY.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE NUMBER OF GROUP A OFFENSES PER 100,000 RIDERS AND THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS PER 100,000 RIDERS, AND IS INDEED MENTIONED.

OUR RESPONSE TIME TO PRIORITY ONE CALLS, WHICH IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD OF 8 MINUTES.

AND WE'RE BELOW THAT.

THAT'S GREAT. I'D LOVE TO SEE THOSE METRICS IN OUR NEXT REPORT, [INAUDIBLE] SAME THING WITH CLEANLINESS.

HOW ARE YOU. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE DOING WELL OTHER THAN REALLY BUILDING UP YOUR TEAM? CERTAINLY OUR CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SURVEYS WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE DOING, WHICH I MENTIONED, IS THAT WE HAVE INSPECTORS GOING THROUGH AND DOING AUDIT CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CLEAN, THE CLEANING TEAMS ARE ACTUALLY DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE'S THE CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS.

WE WE CERTAINLY TRY TO RESPOND TO THOSE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THOSE METRICS AS WE GO, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WITH CLEANLINESS YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A SPILL ON A TRAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, AND HOW QUICKLY WE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO THAT SPILL AND KEEP THE TRAIN RUNNING IS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.

SO IT DEPENDS ON ON THE CONDITION OF THE ASSET AND THE EQUIPMENT.

SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE INCIDENT IS ACTUALLY.

SO WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT METRICS, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY REPORT BACK ON THAT.

IT MAKES GREAT SENSE. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY I HAVE A COUPLE MORE.

ONE IS CAN YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT THE METRICS IN TERMS OF YOUR RIDERSHIP? WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP YEAR IN, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE MEASURING AGAINST? WHAT ARE YOU MEASURING AGAINST? I KNOW YOU WANT TO DO BETTER THAN PRE-PANDEMIC, ETC.? YEAH, SO I'M GOING TO ASK ROB SMITH TO HELP ME OUT WITH THAT BECAUSE HE'S BEEN HERE LONGER THAN ME AND HE KNOWS THE HISTORIC RIDERSHIP TRENDS.

BUT WE RIGHT NOW WE'RE MEASURING A LOT RELATIVE TO PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS.

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BUT IN TERMS OF THE HISTORIC NUMBERS, I DON'T KNOW, ROB, IF YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS WITH YOU [INAUDIBLE].

YES, OF COURSE YOU DO, BECAUSE YOU ARE AMAZING WITH DATA.

IT'S INCREDIBLE. YEAH.

AND AND I'M ROB SMITH, VICE PRESIDENT OF SERVICE PLANNING AND SCHEDULING FOR DART.

HISTORICALLY, THE HIGHEST RIDERSHIP POINT DART HAD WAS IN 2019 RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, WE HAD ROLLED OUT THE FIRST OF SEVEN FREQUENT SERVICE ROUTES.

RIDERSHIP WAS GOING UP, AND OF COURSE, SIX, SEVEN MONTHS LATER, IT ALL COLLAPSED.

BUT THAT WAS THE PEAK YEAR, AND THE 2006-2008 PERIODS WERE NEARLY AS BUSY DURING THE GAP WHEN GAS PRICES WERE SPIKING AND WE HAD OVERLOADS ON A LOT OF BUSSES AT THAT POINT.

GREAT. THAT'S AND I'M GLAD THAT IT WAS RELATIVELY RECENT.

YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE TO MEASURE AGAINST JUST TWO QUICK ONES.

AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, NADINE, YOU ARE A WORLD RENOWNED EXPERT ON ALL THIS.

SO I'M WONDERING HOW YOU SEE TRENDS IN BOTH TECHNOLOGY AS WELL AS IN URBAN DESIGN.

THAT HOW YOU'RE UTILIZING THOSE FOR DART, YOU HAVE PILOT PROJECTS, I GET THAT, BUT LIKE WHERE IS YOUR HEAD ON THIS IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND TECHNOLOGY? SO SO I THINK ABOUT THAT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

I MEAN, TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE TO US YOU KNOW, AS A TOOL FOR ACHIEVING A DESIRED OUTCOME.

CERTAINLY ON THE SECURITY SIDE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN USE TECHNOLOGY TO MONITOR OUR SYSTEM TO CHECK FARES, TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT.

ALL OF WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF DABBLING IN RIGHT NOW URBAN DESIGN.

SO I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WHICH I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, IS FANTASTIC SPACES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE GOALS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE GREAT CITIES OF THE WORLD, A LOT OF THE SPACES ARE DESIGNED AROUND PEOPLE, NOT AROUND CARS.

AND IN NORTH TEXAS AND REALLY PROBABLY A LOT OF TEXAS, A LOT OF OUR SPACES ARE DESIGNED AROUND CARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN MY PERFECT WORLD, WE WOULD THINK ABOUT PEOPLE FIRST AND WE WOULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO CREATE BETTER SPACES FOR PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT FANTASTIC SPACES IS ALL ABOUT.

THE IDEA IS THAT WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND.

DART HAS A LOT OF LAND AROUND OUR STATIONS TAKEN UP WITH ASPHALT OR CONCRETE PARK AND RIDES SURFACE PARKING.

WHAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO DO IS, IS FIND A WAY TO ELIMINATE THE PERCEPTION THAT THOSE PARKING LOTS ARE A BARRIER BETWEEN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE AND THE STATION PLATFORMS THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET TO.

WE'D LIKE TO BLEND OR BLUR THAT LINE SO THAT WE ACTIVATE THE SPACES AS PEOPLE APPROACH THE STATION PLATFORM AND CREATE SOME SPACE, ACTIVATE IT IN EITHER ECONOMIC OR SOCIAL WAYS TO HELP PEOPLE ENJOY THE LAND THAT'S THERE.

INSTEAD OF HAVING PARK AND RIDES THAT ARE ONLY 10% OR 11% UTILIZED RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THERE'S A BETTER USE OF THAT SPACE.

THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF COLLABORATION THAT HAS TO HAPPEN THERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WHAT DART DOES.

IT'S WORKING WITH ALL THE CITIES IN OUR SERVICE AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING THE CITY'S IDEAS ABOUT THE FUTURE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.

I THINK IT'S GREAT. AND THE MORE WE KEEP EACH OTHER ON EACH OTHER'S RADARS, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, THAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE, RIGHT? BECAUSE OUR CULTURE IS SO SILOED.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD MR. MACGREGOR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU SIR. I'LL LOOK THIS WAY NEXT TIME.

I'M SORRY. I GOT IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. NADINE PICKING UP ON COUNCILWOMAN SCHULTZ'S QUESTIONS ABOUT METRICS.

IN THE PORTION OF RELIABILITY AND SAFETY AND CLEANLINESS.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO SINCE SINCE THAT $100 MILLION PROGRAM HAS IS BEGINNING TO BE IMPLEMENTED, AT WHAT POINT WILL WE SEE THE THE BENEFITS OF THAT IN TERMS OF RIDERSHIP AS A METRIC FOR THOSE PROGRAMS? SO THAT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER, BECAUSE WHILE THERE IS A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE RIDER EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF THE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION RATINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT ALWAYS DIRECT, RIGHT? THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO PEOPLE WANTING TO RIDE.

AND SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY PIECE AND I TALK ABOUT EASE OF ACCESS, AVAILABILITY OF SERVICES, QUALITY OF SERVICES, WHEN I TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS FACTOR INTO A PERSON'S DECISION TO RIDE OR NOT RIDE, RIGHT.

AND THE BAR IS HIGHER FOR TRANSIT BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A CAR, IT'S SO MUCH EASIER JUST TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE SOMEWHERE.

IS IT EXPENSIVE?

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BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T OFTEN THINKING ABOUT THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE OBJECTIVE WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS TO IS TO REALLY TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE BIGGEST PAIN POINTS OUR CUSTOMERS TELL US THEY HAVE IN HOPES THAT WE CAN SORT OF MOVE MOVE TO A POINT WHERE SECURITY, CLEANLINESS AND RELIABILITY ARE PART OF OUR DNA.

AND THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE THINGS.

THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT PEOPLE EXPECT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS JOKE WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF WI-FI BECOMES LIKE THE BIGGEST TOPIC FOR OUR CUSTOMERS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT, THAT'S A GOOD DAY FOR ME.

BECAUSE THAT MEANS I'VE TAKEN CARE OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT REALLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT OUR CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SURVEY RESULTS AND WE LOOK AT WHAT WE CALL OUR TARGET ISSUES.

I'D LOVE TO SHARE A CHART WITH YOU SOMETIME WHEN I BRING IT.

I'LL TRY TO BRING IT NEXT TIME.

BUT WE LOOK AT A TARGET ISSUES QUADRANT WHERE WE LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR CUSTOMERS, BUT WE DON'T DO WELL AND WE FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS.

AND THEN AS WE DO BETTER AT THOSE OTHER THINGS, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE TARGET ISSUES QUADRANT.

THANK YOU. YOU DID YOU DID ANSWER THE QUESTION VERY ACCURATELY, AS YOU ALWAYS ARE.

I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE POINTED OUT THAT WE HAVE SEEN SOME INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP, AND PERHAPS IT'S PARTLY THE RESULT OF SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED. BUT BUT YOUR ANSWER IS MORE ACCURATE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ANSWERING THE WAY YOU WANTED ME TO.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

HI I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME JOIN YOU.

AND LOOKING THROUGH HERE SO THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE THE QUARTERLY UPDATE.

IS THERE ANY. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON REVENUE.

ARE WE IS THERE AN APPENDIX OR SOMETHING ON THAT? I WASN'T AWARE THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR SOMETHING ON REVENUE, SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SALES TAX REVENUES.

WELL, OR JUST, I MEAN, ON THE ON THE OPERATIONS, I JUST WASN'T SEEING I SAW SOME REFERENCES TO RIDERSHIP AND I JUST, I WASN'T SEEING MUCH MEAT AROUND THAT.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF IT'S A BOARD UPDATE TO, TO US OR TO COUNCIL, I WOULD I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SLIDE TO INCLUDE.

SO YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GOING FORWARD.

ONE QUESTION.

YEAH. YOU ACKNOWLEDGED ON PAGE 14 ABOUT HIRING EFFORTS AND DIFFICULTY HIRING IN PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND SO CAN YOU DO YOU ALL HIRE FROM DPD? DO YOU HAVE DO YOU LURE PEOPLE AWAY FROM DPD? [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE ONE PERSON FROM DPD THAT HAS COME OVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

AND WAS THAT VERY RECENT? THAT WAS LAST YEAR.

LAST YEAR. DID THEY GET A HIRING INCENTIVE OR BONUS? YES THEY DID, THEY DID.

IS THAT FUNDED OUT OF THE SALES TAX THAT THE CITY PAYS? I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FUNDING COMES FROM.

BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A HIRING BONUS PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.

NOT QUITE AS GENEROUS AS DALLAS'S, BUT IN THE RETENTION [INAUDIBLE].

BUT WE DO HAVE ONE.

YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S DELINEATED.

IT'S JUST IT CONCERNS ME IF WE'RE FACING AN ISSUE AND SOMEONE'S MOVING OVER WITH AN INCENTIVE THAT ALSO COMES FROM THE CITY SO.

WELL, WE ARE ALL FISHING IN THE SAME IN THE SAME POND.

WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING, THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK.

OFTEN TIMES THEY'LL GO FROM ONE AGENCY TO ANOTHER LOOKING FOR THE BEST DEAL.

WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.

WE HIRE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE PLACES THAT PAY MORE MONEY TO THE SOME OF THE SUBURBS, PLANO, FRISCO AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I GET THE POND ISSUE.

MY ISSUE IS THAT WE TWO ARE WORKING ON INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, BUT WE'RE FUNDING THEM THROUGH OUR PROPERTY TAX AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

SO THAT WAS JUST A CONCERN OF MINE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK IT'S JUST ONE PERSON.

I INTERVIEWED PERSONALLY, EVERY POLICE OFFICER WHO APPLIES AND I KNOW ONE PERSON CAME FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO AIR THAT.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD.

MICHELLE, YOU HAD THE FLOOR NEXT, AND THEN I GOT YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.

YEAH, IT'S A KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THE QUESTION ABOUT RIDERSHIP.

DART HAS COME UP WITH SOME INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS. WE ARE PARTNERING WITH RESTORATIVE FARMS TO HOST MARKET PLACES, ORGANIC PRODUCE AT A, AT A DISCOUNT.

AND OUR LAST FARMERS MARKET WAS AT HATCHER STATION.

SO WE ARE REACHING OUT TO PROVIDE FRESH PRODUCE TO OUR AREAS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE ACCESS.

AND YOU CAN GET THERE BY TRANSIT.

SO I THINK THAT IS A GREAT PARTNERSHIP.

AND I WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THOSE INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.

THANK YOU.

SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR, OF COURSE, ABOUT THE CUSTOMER FOCUS AND QUALITY SERVICE.

I WOULD ASK ABOUT PAGE 13 WHERE YOU SAY YOU HAVE A 78% ON TIME PERFORMANCE.

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NOW YOU MIGHT ASK WHY IT'S NOT 100%.

AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID DURING THE PRESENTATION, WHICH IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL, MEANING THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE OPERATE IN.

SO WE DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE OPERATOR AVAILABILITY AND THAT WE HAVE EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABILITY.

AND THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF TIMES YOU LOSE THAT'S THAT EXPLAINS THE GAP BETWEEN THE 100% AND WHEREVER YOU ARE A LOT OF TIMES.

SO MY CONCERN IS THE 83% BEING YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL.

I MEAN, IF I WAS DEPENDENT UPON DART TO GET TO A PLACE AND I NEED TO BE THERE ON TIME, ARE YOU WITHIN SOME SORT OF DO YOU HAVE THE STATISTICS THAT SAY, WELL, YOU'RE LIKELY TO BE 1 OR 2 MINUTES LATE OR 10 OR 30 OR 40 OR 2 HOURS LATE.

I MEAN, LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, THE DELTA THERE OF, OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING COMPARED TO WHAT OUTCOMES REALLY ARE? YEAH. SO SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEGUN PUBLISHING OUR REAL TIME TRANSIT FEED TO GOOGLE.

AND SO WHEN RIDERS ARE WONDERING WHEN THEIR RIDE IS GOING TO ARRIVE OR GETTING A PREDICTION ON WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO THEIR DESTINATION, THE REAL TIME TRANSIT FEED HELPS THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.

NOW, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, REAL TIME INFORMATION IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IT'S OPERATING IN.

SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN ROUTE I DON'T I'D HAVE TO ASK SOMEBODY WHO'S MORE OF AN EXPERT THERE TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW QUICKLY THEY CAN GET THAT INTO THE TRANSIT FEED. THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT MY QUESTION, ALTHOUGH I'LL COMPLIMENT YOU FOR ADDING THE REAL TIME FEED.

I'M REALLY GLAD YOU DID THAT.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR RIDERS.

THE QUESTION, THOUGH, IS THAT IF YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE DART TO GET TO WORK, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT ON TIME? AND THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE LATE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE 1 OR 2 MINUTES LATE, OR ARE YOU LIKELY TO BE 20 OR 30 MINUTES LATE? I THINK I SHARED LAST QUARTER ABOUT A RESIDENT IN DISTRICT 12 WHO WAS IN FEAR FOR HER JOB AT A DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARY BECAUSE HOW FREQUENTLY THE BUS WAS EITHER A NO SHOW OR WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LATE AND WAS ON PROBATION WITH HER MANAGER.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.

ONE IS BEING ABLE TO DELIVER THAT THAT RIDE, THAT TRIP TO BEGIN WITH, WHICH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE HITTING 99 OR OVER 99% OF THE SCHEDULED TRIPS. SO MAKING SURE THAT WE MAKE ROLLOUT IS IS THE FIRST THING.

THE SECOND THING IS BEING ABLE TO OPERATE ON TIME WHILE WE'RE OUT THERE.

AND SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU FROM DAY TO DAY IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO MAKE MAKE IT TO THEIR DESTINATION ON TIME.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THEY DO GET TO THEIR DESTINATION ON TIME AND AGAIN.

BECAUSE WE DON'T PREDICT WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACCIDENTS ON THE STREETS.

WE DON'T PREDICT WHEN THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OTHER DELAY THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL.

IT'S HARD FOR US TO PREDICT, YOU KNOW, THE PERCENTAGE THAT PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY BE ON TIME.

THESE TARGETS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE 100%.

BUT WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AS IT SAYS ON THE SLIDE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRENDING IN THE 76% RANGE.

SO OF COURSE WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO GET UP TO 80-83%, WHICH IS OUR TARGET FOR THIS YEAR.

OKAY. SO LET'S GO TO A DIFFERENT TOPIC.

SO ON THE RIDERSHIP ON SLIDE 17, YOU'VE GOT THE STREETCAR AT ABOUT 50% AND THEN ISSUES ABOUT TRE.

SO TELL ME ON THE STREETCAR, WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S DOWN SO MUCH? I DON'T ROB DO YOU HAVE SOME? I MEAN, I HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT, BUT I'LL SEE IF HE HAS ANY DATA ON THAT.

WELL, I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT INCREASING THE STREETCAR HERE, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN HALFWAY BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

YEAH. AND THAT STREETCAR NUMBER, AS NOTED ON THE SLIDE, INCLUDES THE MCKINNEY AVENUE TROLLEY AND THE DALLAS STREETCAR.

SO IT'S BOTH OF THEM COMBINED.

AND IT'S REALLY THEY HAVE NOT RECOVERED AS QUICKLY AS SOME OF OUR OTHER SERVICES.

AND [INAUDIBLE] IS ACTUALLY A BIGGER CONTRIBUTOR TO THOSE NUMBERS THAN THE DALLAS STREETCAR IS, BECAUSE IT HAD BOTH BEFORE THE PANDEMIC AND NOW SIGNIFICANTLY MORE RIDERSHIP THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN BACK YET.

OKAY, YOU WERE NOT AT A MEETING THAT WE HAD WHERE THERE WAS AN ITEM ABOUT THE STREETCAR, AND I JUST SAID, LOOK, IN THE LAST 30 DAYS, HERE'S ALL THE TIMES ONE OR BOTH STREETCARS WEREN'T RUNNING.

AND I THINK PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED.

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IN CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT RELIABILITY AND CUSTOMER FOCUS AND QUALITY SERVICE, I'LL TELL YOU THE LAST 30 DAYS ON ELEVATORS ON MARCH 26TH OH, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS A STREETCAR THAT WAS OUT FOR A DAY AND A HALF.

MARCH 20TH.

NOPE. WE'LL GO TO THIS ONE MARCH 28TH, THE RAIL LINES WERE DELAYED BECAUSE OF A MECHANICAL ISSUE.

APRIL 6TH, THE ORANGE AND RED LINES WERE DELAYED WITH ANOTHER WITH A SWITCH ISSUE.

AND THEN WE START GETTING TO THE ELEVATOR ISSUE.

SO APRIL 8TH, THE WEST ELEVATOR AT CITY PLACE.

THIS WAS OUT BETWEEN 6 A.M.

AND NOON. LATER THAT DAY IT WAS OUT AT 2:15.

THE NEXT DAY, ON TUESDAY, APRIL 9TH, IT WAS OUT 8 A.M.

FOR A FULL DAY UNTIL 5 P.M.

BOTH ELEVATORS WERE OUT AT FOREST LANE, THEN THE NORTH ELEVATOR WAS REPAIRED 24 HOURS LATER.

APRIL 10TH, THE WEST ELEVATOR IS OUT AT CITY PLACE AGAIN ON THE 11TH, BOTH ELEVATORS OUT AT THE SOUTHWEST MEDICAL PARKLAND LOCATION.

THEY WERE RESTORED AN ENTIRE DAY LATER ON FRIDAY.

THEN ON THAT FRIDAY THE 12TH, THE WEST ELEVATOR AT CITY PLACE WAS OUT FROM 9:30 TO 3:00 AND THEN AGAIN AT 6 P.M.

BACK IN SERVICE JUST THIS MORNING.

SO I'M WONDERING WHAT THE INVESTMENT IS IN MAKING SURE YOUR ELEVATORS WORK, WHICH OBVIOUSLY YOU SEND A SHUTTLE, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO UNDER ADA.

BUT HOW DOES THIS FIT IN WITH YOUR QUALITY, SERVICE AND RELIABILITY? SO WE HAVE A REQUEST IN FOR A CAPITAL PROJECT TO REPLACE ELEVATORS IN THE COMING YEARS.

AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, OUR SYSTEM IS NEARING 30 YEARS OLD RIGHT NOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS AS, YOU KNOW, WITH AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, IT BECOMES INCREASINGLY MORE DIFFICULT TO KEEP THINGS UP AND RUNNING.

PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AS IT RELATES TO QUALITY OF SERVICE, IS TO INVEST IN AN EXTENSIVE SYSTEM MODERNIZATION PROGRAM THAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP US NOT ONLY REPLACE THE ELEVATORS, BUT ALSO GET REPLACE OUR LIGHT RAIL VEHICLES MAKE SOME IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THINGS RUNNING AND ALSO HOPEFULLY NOT BREAK THE BANK WHILE WE'RE DOING IT.

OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT ACTUALLY RIGHT ON THE SCREEN.

WE'VE GOT RIDERSHIP GROWTH.

AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAVE THAT.

MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POPULATION OF THE SERVICE AREA, WHAT PERCENT OF THE POPULATION RIDES DART.

I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THAT CALCULATION.

ROB, DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT? OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE ROB JUST STAY UP HERE.

WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY, IT MIGHT BE EASIER.

YEAH. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE THE NEWEST CENSUS DATA THAT'S COMING OUT.

TRADITIONALLY, IT'S BEEN APPROACHING 5% IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BROADER SERVICE AREA, A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT METRIC TO HAVE ON THIS REPORT.

I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS.

I'D BE ALSO INTERESTED NOT JUST IN THE SALES TAX REVENUE, BUT WHAT THAT GROWTH IS.

AND I THINK THERE'S A REAL CONVERSATION TO BE HAD ABOUT CAPPING THAT GROWTH, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD EXTREME SALES TAX REVENUE INCREASES OVER THE LAST DECADE, AND YOU HAVE GREATLY BENEFITED FROM THAT.

AND I'M NOT SURE FOR WHAT INVESTMENT.

I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STRATEGIC THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPEN AT THE CITY, AND THERE SHOULD BE A CAP ON THE LEVEL OF SALES TAX GROWTH THAT YOU RECEIVE.

AS WELL AS I WAS NOTICING ON YOUR FINANCIALS, QUITE A LARGE INCREASE IN SALARIES AND STAFFING FOR YOUR MANAGEMENT TEAM.

AND I'M WONDERING FOR THE BOARD HOW YOU ARE PROVIDING GOVERNANCE FOR ALL THIS ADDITIONAL STAFF AND SPENDING OF THE EXECUTIVE TEAM.

WELL, LET ME ACTUALLY STEP IN AND JUST SAY THAT WE DID A COMPENSATION STUDY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND WE ACTUALLY RIGHTSIZED THE SALARIES TO MARKET AT THAT TIME. SO THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR MOST OF THE GROWTH IN COMPENSATION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE FELT THAT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PAYING TO MARKET, BECAUSE IT IS A VERY COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN ORDER TO RETAIN QUALITY STAFF AND TO RECRUIT QUALITY STAFF, YOU HAVE TO PAY THE MARKET RATES.

SO IN LOOKING AT YOUR FINANCIALS, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE GO LINK.

AND IF YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A DISCUSSION IF THIS IS A FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE SERVICE.

SO WE HAVE NOT HAD A SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT WITH THE BOARD JUST YET.

I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE QUESTIONING THE INVESTMENT.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT GO LINK IS ONE MORE SERVICE THAT WE CAN ADD, BECAUSE IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT'S THERE'S A BIG GAP BETWEEN WALKING OR RIDING A BIKE AND GOING TO A FIXED ROUTE BUS SERVICE AND GO LINK IS ONE OF THE MODES THAT WE HAVE ADDED TO THE PORTFOLIO TO HELP ADDRESS THAT GAP.

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THERE'S STILL ANOTHER BIG GAP BETWEEN GO LINK AND FIXED ROUTE BUS SERVICE.

AND YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT THE INDUSTRY AND SOME OF THE CREATIVE MINDS OUT THERE WILL HELP US IDENTIFY YET ANOTHER SERVICE THAT COULD ACTUALLY HELP FILL THAT GAP.

BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT GO LINK, WHICH IS AN ON DEMAND SERVICE AND COMES TO YOU WHEN YOU ASK FOR IT, ESSENTIALLY.

AND GOING TO A FIXED ROUTE THAT THAT REQUIRES YOU TO BE ONLY ON A CERTAIN CORRIDOR, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS TRANSIT SERVICES. AND SO THE INDUSTRY HASN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET.

BUT GO LINK IS, IS IS A GOOD SERVICE TO RUN.

IT PROVIDES A LOT OF SERVICE FOR PEOPLE WHO IT'S REALLY HARD TO HARD TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO ON A, AS A FIXED ROUTE.

SO IT'S A LOT OF COVERAGE SERVICE.

WE ARE EXPERIMENTING WITH IT.

I MENTIONED THE ZONE TO ZONE PILOT EARLIER.

WE'RE EXPERIMENTING TO SEE KIND OF, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE TRIP LENGTH, YOU KNOW, AND HOW DO WE HOW DO WE HOW DO WE APPROPRIATELY PRICE THOSE GO LINK TRIPS? CHAIR, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

AND IT'S ABOUT THE BUS SHELTERS.

SO YOU'VE GOT A DESIGN AND AGAIN, IN KEEPING WITH YOUR IDEA OF BEING CUSTOMER CENTRIC, FROM THE IMAGE, DOES THIS DESIGN ONLY HAVE TWO SIDES OR TWO SIDES OPEN TO THE WIND? SORRY. CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT PAGE NUMBER? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND IT IN HERE.

I DON'T THINK I WROTE THAT ONE DOWN.

AND THEN ALSO. OH, HERE IT IS, 25.

YEAH, HERE WE GO.

SO I BELIEVE THIS ACTUALLY DOES HAVE TWO SIDES TO IT.

I CAN'T TELL FROM THE ANGLE, ACTUALLY.

IT'S A RENDERING, SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ACTUAL.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT.

ALSO IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE ON A CURVE, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAYBE GET FEEDBACK AND TEST THIS OUT WITH MAYBE YOUR BOARD MEMBERS, BECAUSE DALLAS IS SURPRISINGLY WINDY CITY.

AND AS YOU RECALL FROM YOUR EARLY DAYS HERE, WE HAVE VERY SEVERE COLD AND HOT WEATHER WITH WIND, AND THIS MAY NOT PROTECT YOUR RIDERS AS YOU MAY WISH IT WOULD.

AND THE LAST ITEM AT THESE BUS STOPS.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRASH RECEPTACLES NOT BEING MAINTAINED, AND I KNOW IN MY DISTRICT I DRIVE BY THEM ALL THE TIME, OVERFLOWING WITH TRASH, AND BECAUSE I FREQUENTLY HAVE DART REQUESTS, I TRY NOT TO DO IT ON THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND CEO LEE, CAN YOU TELL US BECAUSE YOU'RE HEARING SOME, LIKE, SERVICE TYPE ISSUES THAT, LIKE THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE HAVE 311. AND I KNOW SOMEBODY CALLED AND REPORTED 311 ABOUT A RECEPTACLE BEING FULL OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LITTLE MAINTENANCE LIKE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS HAPPEN.

I MEAN, I'VE HAD TO DO IT DRIVING BY A DART STATION AND, YOU KNOW, GOT TO MY SPOT AND BUT I TEXTED A BOARD MEMBER AND THEN THEY GOT IT.

BUT HOW DOES IT WORK FOR DART? IS THERE A NUMBER THAT WE SHOULD BE CALLING, OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CONSTITUENTS CAN DO OR RIDERS OR, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS DRIVING BY SO THAT THESE THINGS THAT CAN GET ADDRESSED MORE QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU ALL ALWAYS DON'T KNOW, LIKE IF YOU HAVE A SCHEDULE FOR PICKING UP TRASH, IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE US AT PARKS, IT'S DAILY AT A CERTAIN TIME.

BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THREE HOURS BEFORE YOU GOT BEFORE THEY GOT THERE, MAYBE SOMEBODY JUST DECIDED TO DUMP A BUNCH OF TRASH OR ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AT A RECEPTACLE RIGHT DURING THE DAY. SO AND IT'S THE ONE TIME YOU DROVE BY.

BUT WHAT CAN WE DO IN ORDER TO HELP DART ACHIEVE ITS GOALS OF OF THE CLEANLINESS PORTION? SO, CHAIR NARVAEZ, I THINK ALL OF YOU WILL CALL OUR DART BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE A DIRECT LINE TO ME.

BUT CERTAINLY OUR DAILY CUSTOMERS, THEY CAN CALL THE CUSTOMER CARE CENTER.

I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'M GOING TO GET IT, AND I WILL TELL YOU AS SOON AS I GET IT.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE IT RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, SO.

BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND, LIKE ANY IMPORTANT NUMBERS, WE NEED MAYBE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE CAN WE CAN SPREAD OUT AND GIVE TO OTHERS SO THAT WE JOIN YOU IN.

YES, IN HELPING HELPING YOU GUYS OUT.

YES WE WILL. IN FACT, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FOR ME TO SHARE A NUMBER OF NUMBERS WITH YOU ALL SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE THOSE CONTACTS WHENEVER YOU NEED THEM, AND YOU CAN SHARE THEM WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE PEOPLE DO ASK US OFTEN WHAT NUMBERS THEY SHOULD BE CALLING.

AND SO WE'LL GET YOU A LIST OF THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT NUMBER FOR CUSTOMER CARE.

ACTUALLY YOU CAN CALL CUSTOMER CARE ANYTIME.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING APP THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO REPORT THINGS.

THE NUMBER FOR CUSTOMER CARE, BY THE WAY IS (214) 749-3333.

EXCELLENT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I ALSO FOLLOW @ DART DAILY AND ALL THE OTHER DIFFERENT DART SOCIAL MEDIAS BECAUSE A LOT OF REALLY COOL GOOD STUFF THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING THAT SOMETIMES JUST, YOU KNOW, COMES TOO FAST TO BE LIKE AN EMAIL EVERY SINGLE TIME SOMETHING'S GOING.

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I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL ME HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE WOULD TAG ME SAYING, OH MY GOSH, I JUST MISSED THE, YOU KNOW, HOLIDAY BUS BY LIKE ONE STOP, YOU KNOW, OR THE TRAIN OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU. SO IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SPICE THINGS UP FOR PEOPLE THAT MADE THEM HAPPY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, GO A LONG WAY FOR MAKING RIDERS HAPPY.

SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT AND I TURN IT OVER TO MR. ATKINS. HE HAS THE FLOOR NOW, I THANK YOU, PROBABLY ASK MY QUESTION, BUT I WON'T ASK IT AGAIN.

BUT ON THE TRASH BIN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW MY RESIDENT.

THEY CALL CONSTANTLY, BUT THE TRASH BIN IS STILL NOT THERE.

SO HOW DO YOU DO YOUR INVENTORY? SO SHOULD THERE BE A TRASH BIN AT EVERY BUS STOP? AND THERE IS NOT A TRASH BIN AT WHAT BUS STOP? SO HOW DO YOU MONITOR THAT? SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I'M GOING TO ASK BERNARD WHO MAY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? BERNARD JACKSON, OUR CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER, WHO, BY THE WAY, IS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE HOLIDAY BUSSES AND TRAINS.

AND BEFORE HE GETS TO HIS ANSWER ON THE TRASH BINS, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY AND I'LL REMIND YOU AGAIN IN DECEMBER WHEN THESE HOLIDAY BUSSES AND TRAINS ARE OUT, WE ALWAYS SEND TO OUR CITIES A LIST OF WHEN THE HOLIDAY BUSSES AND TRAINS ARE GOING TO BE IN YOUR AREA, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE DO THAT FROM YEAR TO YEAR SO THAT YOU KNOW WHEN TO LOOK FOR IT. THANK YOU NADINE.

GOOD AFTERNOON BOTH CHAIRS.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, BERNARD JACKSON, CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE TWO FORMS OF CLEANING THIS PROCESS FOR OUR BUS STOP LOCATIONS, THE LOCATIONS THAT HAVE A HAVE A BENCH AND A SHELTER THEY ARE CLEANED TWICE WEEKLY.

THE LOCATIONS THAT JUST HAVE A TRASH RECEPTACLE BUS STOP SIGN, WE CLEANED THEM ON A WEEK TO WEEK BASIS.

BUT WE DO HAVE OUR INSPECTORS OUT THERE THAT ARE DOING INVENTORIES TO VALIDATE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE BEING CLEANED.

AND WE HAVE THE SURVEY.

WE HAVE THIS TOOL THAT WE USE CALLED SURVEY 123, WHERE OUR AUDITORS HAVE TO GO OUT THERE TO VERIFY AND RATE THE CLEANLINESS OF THOSE LOCATIONS.

OKAY, SO I GUESS THE BEST IS CALLED THE NUMBER, WHAT YOU JUST GAVE OUT.

BUT I GUESS IF I DRIVE AROUND AND JUST DRIVE IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT I KNOW THAT X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE RIDE THE BUS AT THAT PARTICULAR BUS STOP, IT SHOULD BE A TRASH BIN THERE, BECAUSE YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IS RIDING THE BUS.

IT SHOULD NOT BE ME TELLING YOU YOU SHOULD BE PUTTING ONE THERE.

SO THAT'S MY MAIN OBJECTIVE IS NUMBER ONE, IT SHOULD BE A TRASH BIN THERE.

I CAN'T SAY A TRASH BIN SHOULD NOT BE AT EVERY BUS STOP, BUT IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A BIN THERE SO TRASH WILL NOT, YOU KNOW, BE IN THE STREET WHATEVER.

THAT'S MY ONE QUESTION.

IF WE CAN MONITOR THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE GET OFF THE BUS, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT TRASH IN THEIR HAND, WHAT DO THEY DO WITH IT, THEY GONNA THROW IT OUT.

THEY CAN'T PUT IT IN THE BUS STOP.

THE OTHER ITEM IS THAT THE SIDEWALK AROUND THE BUS STOP.

DO EVERY BUS STOPS SHOULD HAVE A LANDING FOR CONCRETE AT A BUS STOP? WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE FOR THAT.

YEAH, ROB MAY HAVE TO ASSIST WITH THIS QUESTION TOO, AS WELL, BUT I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE, COUNCILMAN THAT EVERY BUS STOP HAS A LANDING OR OR STAGING ZONE FOR CUSTOMERS TO STAND.

THE MAJORITY OF THEM DO, BUT ALL OF THEM DO NOT.

AND THOSE AREAS ARE CLEANED THAT ARE AROUND THE BUS STOP AREA AS WELL.

OKAY, OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS PROCEDURE THAT TO TO QUALIFY FOR A LANDING AT A BUS STOP, A CONCRETE, A PAD, GENERALLY THE PADS AND THE LANDINGS ARE INSTALLED WHERE WE WILL EITHER INSTALL A BENCH OR A SHELTER.

AND THE PROCESS FOR THAT, IT'S BASED ON A COMBINATION OF THE RIDERSHIP LEVELS, THE TYPE OF SERVICE, AND SOME OTHER STATISTICS ABOUT IT, OR IF IT'S NEAR AN ACTIVITY CENTER LIKE A SENIOR CENTER OR A LIBRARY OR A SCHOOL, AND IT'S A POINT SYSTEM, AND ONCE A LOCATION REACH REACHES A CERTAIN LEVEL OF POINTS WE THEN SCHEDULE IT FOR POTENTIALLY INSTALLING. AND WHAT WE WILL GENERALLY TRY AND DO, ESPECIALLY FOR SHELTER INSTALLATIONS, IS CONNECT THAT SHELTER TO THE NEAREST CORNER.

IF THAT INVOLVES A CURB CUT OR SOME OTHER TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS.

WE DO THOSE ON OCCASION AS WELL.

SO I GUESS I HEAR DO A BENCH QUANTIFIER FOR A CONCRETE LANDING.

DO WE DO NOT. WE WOULD USUALLY INSTALL CONCRETE WITH A BENCH.

YES. WELL I GOT MANY BENCHES AND I'M GOING TO POINT IT OUT.

THEY HAVE A BENCH WITHOUT A CONCRETE LANDING.

YEAH. OKAY.

SO WHAT ABOUT ADA GOING TOWARDS THE THE BUS STOP ON A CORNER, AND THERE

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DO THAT QUALIFY, WOULD THAT BE US, DR.

PEREZ AT A BUS STOP THAT OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO THE BUS STOP, THEY DO NOT HAVE ADA.

SO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? HONORABLE CHAIRS, MEMBERS OF THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND OUR BOARD.

ROBERT BETTIS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER MAYOR PRO TEM ATKINS, AS MR. SMITH MENTIONED IF DART IS GOING TO DO A SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT TO CONNECT THEIR STOP TO THE NEAREST CORNER, THEN IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH DART WILL DO THE ADA IMPROVEMENTS.

IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN THE CITY OF DALLAS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

WELL, I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, I'M LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE AND THE TIME FRAME TO GET IT DONE.

YOU KNOW, IF I REPORT IT, WHEN CAN I GET IT DONE? YOU KNOW, WE DONE SPOKE ABOUT IT, TALK ABOUT IT ANY TIME.

BUT WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE AND THE TIME TO CORRECT THE ISSUE? SO AS FAR AS THE PROCESS, SIR, I MEAN, YOU SPEAK TO US ABOUT THE CONCERN WE HAVE LISTED OUT AS PART OF THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, ALL OF THE MISSING ADA OR BARRIER FREE RAMPS THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY.

AS WE WILL SPEAK TO IN THE CITY'S PRESENTATION WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON THE $50 MILLION OF ADA IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE FUNDED OUT OF THE DART EXCESS SALES TAX REVENUES.

I BELIEVE AT THE AT THE TIME WHEN WE DID THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, THERE WAS AN INVENTORY OF ABOUT $54 MILLION WORTH OF MISSING ADA RAMPS ACROSS THE CITY.

SO THE $50 MILLION WILL WILL TAKE CARE OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE ITEMS. AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO, TWO YEARS, A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS TO EXECUTE THE $50 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR ADA RAMPS.

SO, AGAIN AND I HAVE TO TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS AS FAR AS WHAT THE UPDATED INVENTORY COST IS OF THOSE ADA RAMPS, BECAUSE THAT WAS ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO WHEN WE WHEN WE DID THAT COST BUT AGAIN OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS YOU'LL SEE A VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE ADA RAMPS MISSING, MISSING ADA RAMPS OR ADA RAMPS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.

WE'LL SEE THOSE EXECUTED OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

SO WITH THE ADA RAMP WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND DART, IS THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY OR DART RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO WHO IS GOING TO BE THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WHO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK? AND LAST QUESTION, DO WE HAVE A MAP THAT SHOW ALL DART BUS STOPS THAT NEED ADA THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY AND SEE, BECAUSE WE DID CHANGE A WHOLE LOT OF BUS STOPS AND WE CHANGED A WHOLE LOT OF BUS STOPS NO LONGER THEY'RE NOT THERE.

THEY MOVED AND THEY HAVE BEEN DELETED.

SO DO WE HAVE A MAP THAT SHOW THAT? SO, MAYOR, WE DO HAVE A MAP OF ALL OF DART'S BUS STOPS.

WE CAN OVERLAY THAT WITH THE I GUESS WITH THE ADA RAMPS WHERE THEY'RE EXISTING OR MISSING, WE CAN DO THAT.

IF DART IS GOING TO COMPLETE THE WORK THAT, AS MENTIONED, IF THEY'RE GOING TO LAY A FOUNDATION OR A PAD AT, AT A BUS STOP AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO CONNECT IT TO THE NEAREST CORNER, THEN WE WOULD ASK THAT DART, YOU KNOW, DO THAT WORK.

EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FALL UPON THE CITY OF DALLAS OR TO COMPLETE.

OKAY. SO I'LL ASK DART, WILL YOU DO THAT WORK AND HOW SOON CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US, THE CITY THAT SAID THAT WHERE ADA RAMP. DO WE NEED ONE THERE? THERE IS A PAD NEED TO BE THERE.

SO THEY'D BE UP ONTO DART BECAUSE Y'ALL DO.

Y'ALL DID CLOSE SOME BUS STOP DOWN.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED, YOU KNOW, TO THE CITY OF DALLAS OR NOT.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD FOR DART TO GIVE TO US.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION NOT THE CITY SHOULD BE DOING I THINK I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT DART SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO WE'LL WORK WITH DR.

PEREZ TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL GAP IS THERE AND COME UP WITH A PLAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU. ANYBODY OVER HERE? GO AHEAD, FLORA. AND THEN I'M SORRY.

VICE CHAIR WAS FIRST. HE TOLD ME, MR. MR. GRACE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, THEN FLORA YOU WILL, AND THEN.

GOTCHA. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THIS IS AROUND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

BUT CENTERS AROUND JUST KIND OF THE AS I TRY TO PROCESS POPULATION VERSUS RIDERSHIP, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A SERIES OF SCENARIOS AND JUST KIND OF NOD YOUR HEAD THERE JUST AS I PROCESS THIS.

SO POPULATION GOES DOWN THE ASSUMPTION IS RIDERSHIP CAN GO DOWN FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IF POPULATION GOES DOWN R IDERSHIP COULD INCREASE.

AND THEN IF POPULATION GOES UP, RIDERSHIP COULD GO DOWN OR ALL OF THOSE FAIR ASSUMPTIONS.

AND THE FIRST ONE IS POPULATION GOES DOWN, RIDERSHIP GOES DOWN.

THAT'S ONE ASSUMPTION. ANOTHER ONE IS POPULATION GOES DOWN RIDERSHIP COULD INCREASE.

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ARE ALL OF THOSE FAIR.

I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO TO, TO TO CHAIR MENDELSOHN'S POINT IN TERMS OF HOW DO I T RANSLATE POPULATION TO RIDERSHIP, I GUESS.

CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT? SO SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

I THINK FOR MYSELF, THE QUESTION I ASKED MYSELF IS WHAT YOU KNOW, HOW DO HOW DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO MOVE ABOUT THIS REGION AND OUR SERVICE AREA IN PARTICULAR IN THE FUTURE, KNOWING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GROW OR NOT TRYING TO WE ARE GROWING, RIGHT? IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF TRYING TO YOU KNOW, WITH WITH RIGHT NOW, THE COG PROJECTIONS ARE 4 MILLION PEOPLE COMING TO THIS REGION IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT PROJECTED TO COME TO ANY TRANSIT SERVICE AREA IN THE REGION.

OKAY. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE FRISCO'S, MCKINNEY'S, YOU KNOW, PLACES LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

AND IN THE MEANTIME YOU KNOW, CITIES LIKE DALLAS, PLANO, CARROLLTON, RICHARDSON.

YOU KNOW, IF WE INTEND TO CONTINUE PRODUCING AT A VERY HIGH ECONOMIC LEVEL THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO SEE SOME OF THAT GROWTH AS WELL.

IN MY MIND, I'M CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE REGION BUT NOT LIVING IN AN AREA THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO TRANSIT.

I THINK THE SERVICE AREA THAT DART HAS HAS THE HIGHEST CHANCE OF SUCCESS AT GROWING WHILE REMAINING WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

AND WHEN I SAY FOOTPRINT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE STREETS THAT WE HAVE TODAY AND HOPING TO NOT EXPAND HIGHWAYS THROUGHOUT THIS REGION.

WHAT THAT USUALLY MEANS IS HIGHER DENSITY.

YOU KNOW WHAT? DALLAS ALREADY HAS A PRETTY HIGH DENSITY COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE REGION.

I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, IF WE DO OUR JOB RIGHT, WE BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THIS SERVICE AREA BECAUSE OF DART, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CARRY MORE PEOPLE AND TO HAVE PEOPLE LIVE AND EXIST IN A PLACE THAT THAT CAN BE MUCH MORE SUSTAINABLE AND STILL PRODUCE AT A HIGH LEVEL. THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING TO HELP MITIGATE, IS THAT GROWTH OUTSIDE OF THE SERVICE AREA, OUTSIDE OF THE TRANSIT SERVICE AREAS.

I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE US BRING MORE PEOPLE TO OUR REGION, BECAUSE WHAT THAT MEANS FOR CITIES LIKE DALLAS, CITIES IN OUR SERVICE AREA IS MORE MORE RESIDENTS, MORE SPENDING, MORE BUSINESSES, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, WILL HELP US BECOME MORE ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL BOTH AS CITIES AS WELL AS AS PLACES OF BUSINESS.

AND AS WE ALL KNOW, IN TEXAS, WE'RE ESPECIALLY NORTH TEXAS, WE'RE SUPER PROUD OF BEING VERY BUSINESS FRIENDLY.

AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I THINK DART CAN BE LEVERAGED TO A HIGHER DEGREE TO ATTRACT MORE BUSINESS HERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

BOARD MEMBER HERNANDEZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR NOW.

THANK YOU CHAIR. NADINE, CAN YOU PLEASE TALK ABOUT OUR LATEST INVESTMENT WITH REGARD TO OUR RIDERSHIP IMPROVEMENT FUNDS, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE CUSTOMER COMMUNICATION PIECE THAT THE BOARD JUST APPROVED MAYBE A MONTH AGO, SO THE NEW TECHNOLOGY.

ARE YOU I'M SORRY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW.

I'M, LIKE, DRAWING A BLANK RIGHT NOW.

[INAUDIBLE]. THE INVESTMENT WE MADE WITH REGARD TO, I BELIEVE IT'S MOSTLY AT RAIL STOPS, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO.

OH. OH, SORRY. OKAY.

THE PIDS IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE WE JUST THE BOARD, I SHOULD SAY THE BOARD JUST APPROVED AN INVESTMENT TO REPLACE ALL OF OUR PASSENGER INFORMATION DISPLAYS AT ALL OF OUR STATIONS.

THAT'S WHY I SAID PIDS.

THAT'S THE ACRONYM FOR PASSENGER INFORMATION DISPLAYS.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING THE SIGNS THAT YOU SEE AT, AT ALL OF OUR STATIONS THAT GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION ABOUT TRAIN ARRIVAL TIME SO THAT WE CAN YOU KNOW, REALLY YOU KNOW, BRING A MODERN LOOK TO OUR STATIONS AND ALSO CONNECT INTO OUR FEED.

THAT'S MUCH MORE ACCURATE IN TERMS OF THE ARRIVAL TIMES FOR ALL OF OUR TRAINS.

YES. AND WE USED PART OF THE RIDERSHIP IMPROVEMENTS FUNDS.

SO WHEN THE BOARD DEDICATED $110 MILLION TO CLEAN, SAFE, RELIABLE, THIS WAS ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE TO IMPROVE THE RIDERSHIP EXPERIENCE OF LATE.

THERE ARE MORE THINGS TO COME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR SLAGEL, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU SIR.

NADINE, JUST YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO A LITTLE BIT INTO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH CITIES IN THE AREA REGARDING CREATING VALUE.

AND PART OF THAT IS THE FANTASTIC SPACES PIECE.

COULD YOU GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE? SURE. YEAH.

SO AS I MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WE WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH OUR CITIES TO LEVERAGE THE, THE LAND THAT DART OWNS WITHIN EACH OF THE CITIES TO SEE HOW WE CAN

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THERE ARE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT OUR SERVICE AREA TO COLLABORATE WITH THE LOCAL JURISDICTION TO ENVISION WHAT THESE SPACES SHOULD BE, HOW THEY COULD BE USED FOR ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OR TO ACTIVATE WITH SOME SOCIAL ACTIVITIES, FESTIVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

REALLY WITH THE IDEA OF BRINGING PEOPLE CLOSER TO DART AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM AND THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BRING MORE INTEREST IN COMING TO EACH OF OUR CITIES.

AS PART OF THAT, WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH CITIES THE CITY MANAGERS AND THE MAYORS AS, AS THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO TALK ABOUT THE VISION FOR THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, DART IS NOT GOING TO GO TO THE SURFACE AREA CITIES UNTIL THE CITIES, WHAT THEIR VISION IS.

WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM THE LEADERS IN EACH OF THE CITIES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR VISION IS AND HOW DART CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THAT SUCCESS.

AND SO WE'VE CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF THESE MEETINGS.

WE CONTINUE TO REACH OUT.

I KNOW CHAIR NARVAEZ, WE JUST MENTIONED THE OTHER DAY THAT WE WANT TO MEET WITH THE MAYOR AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PARTICULARLY WHO WHO ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH DART SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT VISION IS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS .

WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON WHAT WE REFER TO AS OUR AREA PLANS, AND THAT IS WORKING WITH EACH OF THE CITIES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUTURE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS ARE BASED OFF OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE PLANNED.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE THERE NEW ACTIVITY CENTERS THAT YOU WILL NEED TO HAVE CONNECTED? HOW CAN WE BETTER SERVE THOSE ACTIVITY CENTERS IN THE FUTURE? UNDERSTANDING THE TIMING OF WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL COME ONLINE AND THEN TRYING TO INCORPORATE THOSE NEEDS INTO OUR FUTURE PLANNING PROCESSES.

IN DALLAS, BECAUSE DALLAS IS SO LARGE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE DIVIDED DALLAS INTO FOUR QUADRANTS TO KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE QUADRANTS.

OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE SOME OVERLAP, BUT BECAUSE DALLAS IS THE LARGEST CITY, WE HAVE TO KIND OF BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND LOOK AT IT IN PIECES.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

MR. BRYANT, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR NOW.

BOARD MEMBER BRYANT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, NADINE, FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WAS STATED A COUPLE OF TIMES HERE AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THIS VERY IMPORTANT POINT.

THE CLEAN TEAMS, DART CARES WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK AT OUR BOARD MEETING.

EXPLAIN HOW IT'S FUNDED NOW AND WHERE THE MONEY IS, AND THEN THE COMMITMENT THAT WE MADE LAST WEEK SO THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE METRICS AND HOW GREAT IT IS. BUT IT'S ALSO, I WON'T SAY IN JEOPARDY OF NOT GETTING BEING EXTENDED, BUT IT'S NOT EXTENDED AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

SO THE CLEAN TEAMS AND THE EXTRA SECURITY OFFICERS WERE INITIALLY FUNDED THROUGH OUR RIDERSHIP IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH OUR BUDGET PROCESS RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE TO SUSTAIN THOSE PROGRAMS INTO THE FUTURE.

FOR THE TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICERS, THOSE CONTRACTS RUN TWO YEARS.

I THINK THAT WE JUST STARTED IN AUGUST, SO WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE THOSE CONTRACTS EXPIRE.

THE CLEAN TEAMS, ACTUALLY, I THINK, HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO OUR BUDGET AT THIS POINT.

I THINK MR. JACKSON ABSORBED THE ADDITIONAL COSTS BECAUSE IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE JUST A SIX MONTH PILOT PROGRAM, AND HE HAS NOW ABSORBED THAT COST INTO HIS OPERATING BUDGET.

BUT WE GAVE A AT THE BUDGET MEETING LAST WEEK A RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE ON THESE THESE PLANS.

YES, YES THAT BUDGET HAS NOT YET BEEN APPROVED, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO THAT.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HEAR THAT THAT'S GOING GREAT, BUT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED.

BUT WE ARE SIGNALING TO THEM TO CONTINUE THOSE PROGRAMS. THE SECOND THING TO GO LINK.

GO LINK, IN MY OPINION, IS ONE OF THOSE PROGRAMS WHERE THE, THE THE MORE EXPANDED IT GETS, THE HARDER IT BECOMES.

BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DEFINED PERIOD OF TIME TO ENSURE THAT 15 MINUTE PICKUP HAPPENS.

SO IT'S GREAT TO EXPAND PROGRAMS. WE ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND NUMBER ONE, FOR DALLAS RIDERS, IT'S THE LEAST RIGHT.

IT'S THE LEAST RIDDEN MODE THAT WE HAVE.

I THINK IT'S AROUND 50% COMPARED TO LIKE 80% FOR LIGHT RAIL AND BUSSES.

IT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE MODE THAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE OF PARATRANSIT.

AND I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE VIEWED UPON AS THE NON STIGMA OR ELITE WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS CITY.

AND ENSURE THAT WE TRAIN OUR RIDERS THAT ARE IN THAT THOSE AREAS TO CREATE THE DEDICATED ROUTES TO REDUCE THE COST AND TO NOT HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DART BLACK SERVICE OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE UBER BLACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR FOR GO LINK.

SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

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MAINLY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A VALUE AND A BENEFIT TO THAT TYPE OF A SERVICE.

AND IN DALLAS, PARTICULARLY THE SOUTH DALLAS GO LINK SERVICE IS AN INTERESTING EXPERIMENT BECAUSE SOUTH DALLAS ALSO HAS DECENT ACCESS TO BUS AND LIGHT RAIL. SO GO LINK IS SUPPLEMENTING THE TRANSIT SYSTEM AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN SOUTH DALLAS IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES GO LINK ADD TO THE MOBILITY THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN THAT AREA.

AND SOUTH DALLAS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL GO LINK ZONES.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE DOING THE ZONE TO ZONE PILOT PROGRAM AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS ACROSS OUR SERVICE AREA.

THAT ZONE TO ZONE PILOT WILL ALSO TELL US IF THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THRESHOLDS FOR TRAVEL DISTANCE AND IT'LL HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY USING MICRO TRANSIT TO SEE IF THERE IS THAT VALUE ADD THAT WE THINK IS THERE, AND IT'LL GIVE US SOME DATA TO TO HELP US CORROBORATE THAT.

I THINK THAT GO LINK HAS ITS PLACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS A FRACTION OF OUR ENTIRE OPERATIONS, IT IS STILL A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF, OF THAT INVESTMENT.

SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO WRITE OFF GO LINK JUST YET.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, CHAIR MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR BECAUSE YOU'RE ON OUR SECOND ROUND.

THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION THEN I HAVE A CLARIFICATION FOR, THE CLARIFICATION FOR THE FOR THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED YOU, THAT YOU WERE GOING TO PREPARE AND ANSWER ABOUT THE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THAT RIDES DART.

I'M INTERESTED IN YOUR ENTIRE SERVICE AREA AS A PERCENTAGE AND THEN ALSO BY CITY.

JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, I WAS HOPING FOR.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS ABOUT THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS.

CAN YOU TELL US HOW YOU'RE VALIDATING THOSE NUMBERS AND IF THEY'RE MATCHING FARE COLLECTION? SO THERE'S A FEW WAYS THAT WE COLLECT THE RIDERSHIP INFORMATION.

AND I'M GOING TO TURN TO MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON MY RIGHT TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE HAVE PASSENGER COUNTERS ON OUR BUSSES AND WE ALSO, OF COURSE, CROSS VALIDATE WITH SOME OF OUR GO SORRY, GO PASS INFORMATION, OUR FARE COLLECTION.

AND SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE TRY TO VALIDATE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I'LL TURN OVER TO ROB AND SEE IF HE CAN GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT TO THAT.

YEAH. AND SPECIFICALLY ON BUSSES AND TRAINS, WE HAVE AUTOMATIC PASSENGER COUNTERS ON ALL BUSSES, ALL TRE VEHICLES AND A VAST MAJORITY OF THE TRAINS.

AND THAT'S THE BASIS FOR THE COLLECTION OF THE RIDERSHIP INFORMATION.

THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION REQUIRES THAT WE GO THROUGH A CERTIFICATION PROCESS TO COMPARE THOSE NUMBERS WITH OUTSIDE COLLECTED NUMBERS EVERY THREE YEARS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EQUIPMENT IS WORKING PROPERLY AND THAT WE'RE GETTING ACCURATE COUNTS NEXT YEAR.

THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR HAPPENS TO BE THE NEXT CERTIFICATION YEAR FOR GO LINK.

AND FOR PARATRANSIT THOSE TRIPS ARE ALL BOOKED THROUGH SOFTWARE OR BY TELEPHONE CALLS, AND SO THAT RIDERSHIP INFORMATION IS COLLECTED THROUGH THE BOOKING PROCESS.

SO I VERY OFTEN WILL GET COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT SEEING EMPTY BUSSES, EVEN IN RUSH HOUR, DOWN CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, DOWN THE TOLLWAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO SHORE UP THEIR IDEA OF, WELL, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'VE HAD THIS RETURN, BUT BOY, EVERY SINGLE BUS I SEE IS EMPTY COMING EVEN OUT OF, LIKE, THE ADDISON TRANSIT CENTER.

AND I THINK THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW ACCURATE THEY ARE AND MAYBE WHAT THE ROUTES ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MOVING PEOPLE AS FREQUENTLY AS IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE RETURN NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE EXPRESSING.

SO I'M SORRY.

IS THAT. WELL, YOUR QUESTION IS THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT VALIDATING THE INFORMATION.

SO I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT EVERY THREE YEARS YOU HAVE OUTSIDE PEOPLE COME IN AND DO A PHYSICAL COUNT THAT THEY'RE LIKE WATCHING AT STATIONS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THEY ARE ACTUALLY ON THE VEHICLES, AND WE'RE DIRECTLY COMPARING WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE COUNTERS TO WHAT IS BEING OBSERVED ON THE VEHICLES WHEN WE'RE DOING A CHECK.

OKAY. WELL, SO THEN I'LL SAY IS THAT I HAD DONE A INFORMATION REQUEST AND THERE WAS A REPORT FROM DART.

I BELIEVE IT WAS TO YOU, ROBERT PEREZ, THAT ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH EVERY BUS STOP IN.

I THINK IT WAS ONLY IN DALLAS.

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HOW MANY HAVE ZERO PICKUPS IN A MONTH? ZERO. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU GUYS LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT WILL SURPRISE YOU, I'M CERTAIN, ABOUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE BUS ROUTES, AND I HOPE YOU KNOW WHAT REPORT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IF NOT, I CAN DIG IT OUT OF MY EMAIL.

BUT WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE HUNDREDS, MAYBE EVEN THOUSANDS OF BUS STOPS THAT HAVE HAD NO PICKUPS IN AN ENTIRE MONTH I STILL QUESTION ABOUT SOME OF THE WAY THESE ROUTES HAVE BEEN PLANNED, AND IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY DELIVERING THE TRANSPORTATION THAT THE DALLAS RESIDENTS NEED.

AND I WILL JUST SAY THAT THERE ARE NO GO LINKS ANYWHERE IN DISTRICT 12.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD.

AND ANY OTHER FOLKS.

FLORA GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU CHAIR. I WANTED TO JUST LEVEL SET WITH REGARD TO TO GO.

LINK. IT IS OUR MICRO TRANSIT SERVICE FOR DART AND AVAILABLE IN EACH OF OUR 13 MEMBER CITIES.

ITS PURPOSE IS TO INTEGRATE AND FEED OUR LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM AS WELL AS OUR BUS ROUTES.

AND IN ADDITION, IT GIVES EVERYONE THAT LIVES WITHIN THE ZONE AND IN IN THE INSTANCE OF OUR PILOTS, OUR GO LINK PILOTS. IT'S AN EXPANDED ZONE AND IT GIVES THEM THE FREEDOM TO MOVE WITHIN THAT ZONE.

SO WHETHER YOU'RE A MOM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, OR IF YOU NEED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR, IT'S IT'S A GREAT WAY BECAUSE IT TAKES YOU FROM, YOU KNOW, POINT TO POINT.

AND IT'S NOT INTENDED TO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO GROW GO LINK AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR BUS ROUTES OR REDUCING OUR HEADWAYS, WITH REGARD TO LIGHT RAIL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BUCKET OF SERVICE THAT WE WANT TO ACTIVATE AND MAKE YOU KNOW, AND TAKE TO ITS ABSOLUTE, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIAL AND AND CRITICAL PHASE TO SERVE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF, OF PEOPLE IN OUR REGION.

AND REALLY THAT'S THAT'S THE PURPOSE AS I SEE IT FOR GO LINK.

IT INTEGRATES OUR SYSTEM.

IT GETS PEOPLE WHERE THEY NEED TO GO IN A VERY SHORT TIME.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE I DON'T BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH REGARD TO GROWTH OF SERVICES AND THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT THAT NEEDS TO BE IN OUR BUDGET.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION LONG OVERDUE, BECAUSE WHEN WE COME TO THE BUDGET CYCLE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY LOOK NECESSARILY LOOK AT WHAT'S THE GROWTH NECESSARY IN OUR RESPECTIVE CITIES AND HOW MUCH SHOULD BE ALLOCATED FOR SERVICE.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

SO AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO LEVEL SET ON ALL MODES OF TRAVEL.

THEY'RE NECESSARY AND VITAL TO A HEALTHY SYSTEM.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

AND ANYBODY ELSE? MR. RESENDEZ, I FORGOT TO ASK YOU.

YOU'RE OUT IN THE VIRTUAL WORLD.

WANT TO MAKE SURE I CHECK IN WITH YOU? YOU'RE GOOD. YEP.

VERY GOOD. EXCELLENT.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I DO WANT TO REALLY GIVE YOU ALL A SHOUT OUT ON THE THOUGHT AND IDEA WHEN TOYOTA DID THE PILOT PROGRAM ON I ALWAYS CALLED IT THE GOLF CART, YOU KNOW, RIDE.

BUT YOU ALL, WHEN IT WAS ENDING, YOU ALL TOOK IT OVER AND WANT TO THANK YOU ALL, ALL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS FOR CHAMPIONING THAT TO CONTINUE.

AND I KNOW IT'S STILL A PILOT FOR DART.

AND WE DO DEFINITELY NEED TO ASK OUR ENTITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, BIG BUSINESSES, BIG WHATEVER IT IS, IF THEY WANT TO HELP INVEST IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, BECAUSE AT THIS TIME, THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT IS STILL FARE LESS.

AND SO THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY ECONOMICAL ISSUE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN WEST DALLAS THAT ARE UTILIZING IT ESPECIALLY.

WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF OUR ELDERS THAT ARE UTILIZING IT TO GET TO THEIR SENIOR PROGRAMS, TO GET TO THEIR DOCTOR'S VISITS, AND THEY LOVE IT BECAUSE IT'S DOOR TO DOOR PICK THEM UP.

NOW, OF COURSE, IT'S GOLF CART CAN ONLY GO SO FAR AND YOU KNOW, IT STAYS IN THAT 75212 AREA CODE.

BUT THEY REALLY ENJOY IT.

THEY LOVE IT. THEY LIKE THE RIDER.

I MEAN, THEIR DRIVER, THEIR OPERATOR.

AND YOU KNOW, THEY GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.

AND SO THAT'S BUILDING COMMUNITY.

BUT ALSO IT'S WITHIN THE, THE GUIDES OF OUR CECAP BECAUSE THE GOLF CARTS ARE ALL ELECTRIC.

SO THEY'RE NOT ADDING ANY MORE CARS TO THE ROAD AND THEY'RE NOT ADDING ANY MORE CARBON INTO THE AIR.

I'VE ALSO SEEN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES GOING UP AND DOWN SINGLETON.

THANK YOU FOR THE ONE ON SINGLETON BECAUSE THAT ONE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SO MUCH POLLUTION THAT COMES OUT OF THAT CORRIDOR.

SO BY JUST HAVING THE THE BUS BE ALL ELECTRIC IS ANOTHER BENEFIT TO HELP US WITH AND OUR CECAP GOALS AS A CITY, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD PARTNERS ON AND REALLY PUSHING THAT CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BIG GRANT THAT YOU ALL JUST GOT TO REPLACE VEHICLES AND ESPECIALLY THOSE TRAINS THAT WE'RE TALKING

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YEAH. SO SOME OF THOSE VEHICLES ARE THEY'RE KIND OF AGED AND JUST LIKE OUR REGULAR CARS OTHER VEHICLES, THEY DON'T LAST FOREVER.

YOU CAN MAINTENANCE THEM ALL YOU WANT.

AND AT SOME POINT THE THING'S JUST GOING TO NOT WORK THE SAME.

I KNOW THAT'S THE SAME THING WITH OUR STREETCAR, WHICH WE ARE ORDERING AND PURCHASING NEW STREETCARS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE PUT ON THE LINE THANKS TO THAT EXCESS SALES TAX DOLLARS THAT DART DECIDED TO PASS OUT TO THE DIFFERENT PARTNER CITIES.

AND THEN SOME OTHER THINGS IS THE EV STATIONS IS HUGE.

AND WITH THAT BIG GRANT, YOU ALL JUST GOT THAT'S ALSO FOR INSTALLING MORE EV CHARGING STATIONS AND COLLEAGUES AND DART BOARD MEMBERS.

AND WHAT I WOULD MENTION TO YOU ALL IS THAT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED EV IN DALLAS I'M AN APARTMENT BUILDING DWELLER, SO I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THE COUNCIL THAT LIVES IN APARTMENT BUILDING, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION IN OUR APARTMENT BUILT BEFORE THAT BECAME A BIG TREND.

BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER COMPLEXES AND THE CECAP, WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, FORCE YOU TO DO IT AS A BUILDER, BUT JUST THROUGH NEED ALL OF A SUDDEN, LIKE WHERE I LIVE, EV PARKING STATIONS HAVE NOW BEEN INSTALLED AND OTHER BUILDINGS ARE STARTING TO INSTALL THEM AT THE SAME TIME.

AND YOU ALL NOW HAVING THE ABILITY TO GET TO ADD THEM.

ALSO NOT JUST FOR PARK AND RIDE, BUT ALSO FOR JUST GENERAL COMMUNITY AND BEING A COMMUNITY NEIGHBOR.

WE NOTICED IN OUR HEAT MAP THAT THERE WAS NOTHING, NOTHING SOUTH OF THE TRINITY.

SO THAT INCLUDES WEST DALLAS BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IS SOUTH OF 30.

IT'S LIKE, BUT WE'RE NORTH OF 30.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE SO SOUTH OF THE TRINITY THERE WERE TWO EV CHARGING STATIONS, AND THEY WERE BRAND NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAD JUST BEEN BUILT IN WEST DALLAS.

SO IT'S LIKE IT WAS LIKE, THIS IS NOT HELPING US WITH THOSE GOALS.

BUT BY NOW THERE'S KIND OF A NETWORK AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE IT SPREAD OUT.

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT SUCCESS.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR CONTINUING THAT.

CONTINUING TO TRANSITION YOUR FLEET OVER, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU ALL DIDN'T HAVE TO DO, BUT YOU ALL KNEW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING IMPORTANT, NOT JUST TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT TO OTHER PEOPLE, NOT, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITY AGENCIES ARE ALSO WANTING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING DOWN CARBON EMISSIONS INSIDE OF THEIR CITIES.

AND I WILL TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES THERE YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT DART OR RAIL, ABOUT DART, OR SAY THINGS ABOUT DART, ACTUALLY UTILIZE DART.

AND I DO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE I GET ON LIGHT RAIL TO GO TO DIFFERENT PLACES AND FROM WHEN I BECAME CHAIR UNTIL NADINE, YOU ALL AS A BOARD ADOPTED YOUR GOALS OF SAFETY AND RELIABILITY AND ALL OF THOSE CLEANLINESS.

I CAN SEE A DIFFERENCE.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S PERFECT, BUT YOU GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.

YOU GOT TO WALK BEFORE YOU CAN RUN.

AND BEFORE YOU RUN YOU GOTTA CRAWL.

AND Y'ALL WEREN'T CRAWLING AT THAT POINT.

AND NOW IT'S LIKE, Y'ALL ARE WALKING NOW.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S PERFECT.

Y'ALL KNOW IT'S NOT. BUT IT'S GETTING BETTER, AND I CAN SEE IT.

AND I'M HEARING IT FROM PEOPLE WHEN I GET ON A DART BUS AND I DECIDE, LIKE, I'M JUST GOING TO GO UP AND DOWN SINGLETON TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ON DART ARE SAYING, OR I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.

IN ORDER TO HEAR WHAT FOLKS ARE SAYING.

AND IT'S I'M NOT TRANSPORTATION DEPENDENT.

BUT IT IS NICE TO GET ON IT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

SO THAT YOU CAN EXPERIENCE IT AND ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE I CAN SEE THE, LIKE, LIGHT RAIL, THAT STATION IN THE WEST END, WE USED TO HEAR NOTHING BUT COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.

COMPLAINTS. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THEM.

AND NOW THE LAST TIME I WENT, IT WAS LIKE, WOW, THE FOLKS THAT ARE USUALLY HANGING OUT THERE THAT MOST TYPICALLY WERE UNSHELTERED.

THEY'RE NOT THERE.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE OFFICERS OUT THERE THAT ARE MAKING SURE PEOPLE GO ALONG MINDING THEIR BUSINESS, BUT NOT HARASSING ANYBODY, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW, LIKE, YOU CAN'T CAMP HERE. YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO MOVE ON.

AND THE STATION'S CLEAN BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND YOU CAN SEE FOLKS WATCHING THEIR BUSINESS.

AND NOW YOU GET ON THE TRAIN AND THE TRAIN'S ACTUALLY NICE AND CLEAN.

AND WITH THE NEW SEATS, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEW SEATS YET BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ON IT RECENTLY.

BUT SEEING THE NEW SEATS LIKE HOW IT'LL BE EASIER TO CLEAN AND MAINTAIN, IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE BUSSES AND TRAINS LAST LONGER, WHICH THEN THE RIDERS SAY IT.

AND THEN I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME RIDERS SAYING, YEAH, I RODE THE TRAIN THE OTHER DAY AND THERE WERE ACTUALLY OFFICERS COMING TO CHECK MY TICKET, WHICH I HAVEN'T HAD HAPPEN IN YEARS. AND THEY WERE LIKE, I REALLY LIKE THAT, LIKE SOMEBODY IS ACTUALLY WATCHING.

AND SO THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

AND THE RELIABILITY IS GETTING THERE AND YOU'RE HEARING IT.

YOU'RE SEEING IT. I MEAN, I HAD SOMEBODY FROM BACHMAN LAKE CALL ME WHO IS TRANSPORTATION DEPENDENT, AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW.

I MEAN, HE WAS GIVING ME ALL THE CREDIT, BUT IT WASN'T IT WAS YOU GUYS BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, DART BOARD MEMBERS AND, YOU KNOW, DART BOARD CEO ALL THE WAY DOWN WHERE HE SAID, YOU KNOW, MY BUS HAS BEEN ON TIME EVERY DAY THIS WEEK AND GOTTEN ME TO WHERE I NEED TO GO EVERY DAY THIS WEEK.

NOW, THAT'S A SUCCESS STORY.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S EVERY LINE, EVERY DAY, BUT THAT'S A SUCCESS STORY.

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AND AS FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING WITH YOU AND YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO CALL OUT WHEN THINGS AREN'T WORKING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS ONCE SAID THAT IT TAKES A WHOLE LOT OF ENERGY TO BUILD SOMETHING, AND IT TAKES VERY LITTLE ENERGY TO TEAR IT DOWN.

AND I'M HERE TO BUILD SOMETHING.

AND I THINK A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I KNOW THE DART BOARD MEMBERS ARE HERE TO BUILD SOMETHING WITH YOU.

AND I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THE THINGS TRANSITIONING GET BETTER.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE EASY EVERY DAY.

AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE, WHAT, TWO YEARS? MAYBE LIKE TWO.

TWO AND A HALF. TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

YEP. ABOUT AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN CHAIR, I THINK YOU CAME IN WHEN I BECAME CHAIR.

AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORKING TOGETHER AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WORK ON THE THINGS.

BUT I SEE A DIFFERENCE IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND IT'S NOT EASY TO CHANGE A CULTURE THAT QUICKLY.

IT TAKES A LONG TIME AND BUT YOU CAN I'M STARTING TO FEEL THE CULTURE CHANGING AT DART.

AND IT STARTS WITH THE LEADER, AND IT GOES ON DOWN TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COLLEAGUES, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'RE GOING TO END ITEM B AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO AN ITEM I FORGOT FOR OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IF I CAN GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MARCH 26TH, 2024 TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES.

THERE'S A FIRST AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION, ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING? NO DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO.

THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

THANK YOU. ITEM C IS I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TO COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ.

BUT ITEM C IS GOING TO BE THE DART SERVICE AREA POPULATION AND SALES TAX TREND.

AND OUR DART BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEMBER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, RODNEY SCHLOSSER IS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE DOING THE PRESENTATION.

AND THERE HE IS RIGHT OVER THERE.

AND YOU CAN DO IT FROM THERE. THAT'S FINE.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES.

SO THE REASON THAT THIS PRESENTATION IS INCLUDED IS AS PART OF AN OVERALL DART THING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM EACH OTHER TO EACH OTHER.

AND IN SPEAKING WITH RODNEY ABOUT SOME OF THE INTERESTING CHALLENGES FOR THE DALLAS DART BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE FACING BECAUSE OF POPULATION AND OTHER CHANGES, I ACTUALLY ASKED HIM TO PREPARE THIS MATERIAL AS THE SENIOR DALLAS DART BOARD MEMBER.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FROM.

AND SO TAKE IT OVER FROM THERE.

AND IF I LEFT ANYTHING ELSE OUT BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, PLEASE ADD IT.

THANK YOU. SOME OF YOU MIGHT PREFER PAPER.

SO THERE'S A COPY OF THE SAME SLIDES YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE SCREEN COMING AROUND.

FIRST CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU.

AND I DID PREPARE THIS AT COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ'S REQUEST, BUT ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES SHOULD, OF COURSE, JUMP INTO THIS DISCUSSION.

AND TO YOUR POINT EARLIER THIS.

GOT IT. LET'S SEE.

WE SHOULD MAKE THIS AS COLLABORATIVE AS POSSIBLE.

THIS ACTUALLY STARTED WITH A CONVERSATION THAT SOME OF YOU WERE A PART OF BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2023, WE WERE HAVING A JOINT MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL, TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND THE DART DALLAS BOARD MEMBERS, AND I ACTUALLY TOUCHED ON THIS TOPIC WHEN WE WERE WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'LL REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN INVOLVING SILVER LINE.

SO IT'S REALLY A DISCUSSION TOPIC THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME, AND IT'S EASY FOR EACH OF YOU ON COUNCIL, AND I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF ON THE DART BOARD TO GET VERY FOCUSED ON TOMORROW'S VOTE, NEXT MONTH'S VOTE, THE ISSUE OF THE DAY, THE FIRE OF THE DAY.

AND THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT.

BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME MACRO ISSUES.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR SOME TIME, AND I'VE HAD MANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY OF YOU AROUND THE HORSESHOE, WHICH IS IF WE GO 10,000FT ABOVE KIND OF THE DAY TO DAY NOISE, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES OF STRATEGIC CONCERN AND CONSIDERATION? ONE THAT'S BEEN ON MY MIND FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS IS ONE THAT IS REALLY CAPTURED IN THESE SLIDES, WHICH IS THE GOVERNANCE OF DART.

I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AT THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL FOR ALMOST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, AND IN THOSE THREE AND A HALF YEARS, I HAVE PICKED UP ON WHAT I THINK IS OBVIOUS FOR ANY OF US WHO ARE PAYING A WATCHFUL OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REGION, WHICH IS THERE ARE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION BETWEEN WHAT SOMEONE IN DALLAS MIGHT CONSIDER TO BE A PRIORITY, AND WHAT SOMEONE IN A SUBURB MIGHT CONSIDER TO BE A PRIORITY.

THIS DOCUMENT, WHICH I ASKED STAFF TO PREPARE, REALLY CAPTURES IN HARD FACTS WITHOUT ANY INNUENDO OR CONJECTURE HOW THIS AFFECTS BOTH OUR POPULATION AND OUR SALES TAX. SO IF YOU WILL, I'M GOING TO USE THE SLIDES REALLY JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WHATEVER CONVERSATION COMES OF IT, I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT DART'S EXISTENCE IS BASED ON STATE LAW, AND THAT STATE LAW CURRENTLY IS USING A FORMULA OF POPULATION TO ALLOCATE BOARD SEATS.

NOW, I THINK EVERYBODY AROUND THIS TABLE THINKS OF DALLAS AS HAVING EIGHT SEATS OF A 15 MEMBER BOARD.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONLY PARTIALLY TRUE, BECAUSE THE STATE LAW IS DRIVEN BY POPULATION AMONG THE SERVICE AREA CITIES, THERE'S A TOTAL OF 13.

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NOT ALL THE PARK CITIES ARE KIND OF IN THE CORE, AND THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT THE APPORTIONMENT OF BOARD SEATS SHALL BE REEVALUATED EVERY FIVE YEARS, THE CENSUS AND THEN A MIDPOINT. SO 2025, 2030.

AND THAT CENSUS DATA IS WHAT'S THE BASIS FOR THE ALLOCATION.

IF YOU GO TO SLIDE THREE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IF WE LOOK AT OUR POPULATION HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, IT'S GROWN.

BUT OUR 12 SISTER CITIES HAVE HAD A RATE OF GROWTH THAT IS FASTER.

AND I'M NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW.

IT'S MUCH FASTER THAN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND IF YOU CAREFULLY LOOK AT STATE LAW AND I ASKED OUR GENERAL COUNSEL TO DO SO, AND MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SEEN THIS DATA AS WELL.

WHAT YOU REALIZE IS THAT DALLAS ACTUALLY HAS SEVEN SEATS, THE OTHER 12 CITIES HAVE SEVEN SEATS.

AND THEN THAT EIGHTH SEAT, WHICH BECOMES THE 15TH SEAT.

BUT IT IS WHAT GIVES DALLAS A MAJORITY IS ACTUALLY A FRACTIONAL SEAT.

AND AS LONG AS DALLAS'S PROPORTIONAL POPULATION IS ONE PERSON, MORE THAN HALF OF THE EIGHTH SEAT, THEN THIS CITY COUNCIL WILL APPOINT ALL EIGHT MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS DELEGATION.

WE RIGHT NOW SHARE THAT ACTUALLY WITH COCKRELL HILL.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM SLIDE 13, THE POPULATION TRENDS WOULD SUGGEST THAT BY THE END OF THE DECADE AND PERHAPS SOONER, MEANING AT THE 2025 TIME FRAME, THERE COULD BE ENOUGH OF A SHIFT.

FORGIVE ME. SLIDE THREE.

FORGIVE ME, I APOLOGIZE.

SLIDE THREE. YOU COULD SEE THAT THE CONSIDERATION FOR DALLAS CONTROL OF THAT EIGHTH SEAT COULD CHANGE.

AND IF YOU GO TO SLIDE FOUR, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT DALLAS' CURRENT PORTION IS OF THE EIGHTH SEAT.

RIGHT. SO DALLAS HAS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, 7.78 SEATS.

ONCE THAT NUMBER GOES BELOW 7.50 BY STATE LAW AND USING PUBLICLY AVAILABLE POPULATION INFORMATION THAT A SEAT WILL FRACTIONALIZE AND IT WILL BE CONTROLLED BY A CONSORTIUM OF THE SUBURBS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY ALL NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF BECAUSE I'M NO POPULATION DEMOGRAPHER, BUT MY IMPRESSION AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AND ALSO WITH STAFF, IS THAT ONCE THAT SHIFT OCCURS, IF IT OCCURS, IT'S PROBABLY IN PERPETUITY.

AND THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR CHANGE.

SO WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ ASKED ME AND I'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH SEVERAL OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS AND OTHERS, I HAD THIS CONVERSATION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WITH COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

IT REALLY SAYS WE AS A DALLAS DELEGATION, NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT NOT ONLY THE PRIORITIES FOR TODAY, BUT ALSO FOR THE PRIORITIES IF AND WHEN THE 15 SEATS SHOULD BECOME SEVEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS AND EIGHT APPOINTED BY THE OTHER 12 SERVICE AREA CITIES.

THERE IS ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION ACTUALLY.

GO TO SLIDE FIVE.

AND IN THIS CASE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OUTLINED FOR ALL OF US THE WAY THIS WORKS FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY A RE-ALLOTMENT THAT OCCURS EVERY FIVE YEARS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE WITH COCKRELL HILL, BUT THE NUMBERS COULD COME TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT OUR FRACTIONAL SEAT COULD BE WITH SOMEONE ELSE OR FOR INSTANCE, CHAIR SLAGEL REPRESENTS THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, BUT IT'S IN COMBINATION WITH THE POPULATION OF THE PARK CITIES.

AND THAT THE SAME IS TRUE, ACTUALLY WITH PLANO.

PLANO HAS TWO SEATS.

THEY REALLY HAVE ONE SEAT AND A MAJORITY OF A SECOND SEAT, WHICH THEY SHARE WITH FARMERS BRANCH.

SO ON THE ONE HAND, WE HAVE POPULATION TRENDS, WHICH FROM A STRATEGIC PERSPECTIVE ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT TO HOW WE, AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVES THINK ABOUT STRATEGIC DECISIONS, WHETHER THEY BE CAPITAL OPERATIONAL, WHETHER THEY BE LEGISLATIVE OR THEY FOCUS ON SERVICE.

THE OTHER CONSIDERATION, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON SLIDE SIX, IS ONE THAT I SHARED BACK IN FEBRUARY WHEN THIS GROUP OF COUNCIL MEMBERS AND DART BOARD MEMBERS FROM DALLAS WERE TOGETHER AT THIS VERY HORSESHOE, WHICH IS THE SALES TAX TRENDS.

AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN YOU ASKED ABOUT SALES TAX IN GENERAL.

THIS IS ONLY LOOKING AT COMPLETED FISCAL YEARS.

SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU THE KIND OF MONTH TO MONTH ALTHOUGH WE HAVE THAT.

AND I DO LOOK AT IT EVERY MONTH WHEN OUR CFO PRODUCES IT.

THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING THE ALLOCATION OF DART BOARD SEATS IN AUSTIN AT THE LEGISLATURE SO THAT IT'S NOT BASED ON POPULATION, BUT IT'S BASED ON SALES TAX CONTRIBUTIONS.

AND IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT APPROACH AND THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE WHO REPRESENT COUNTIES OTHER THAN DALLAS WHO TAKE THIS POSITION, YOU COULD SEE THAT DALLAS BECAME A LESS THAN HALF OF TOTAL SALES TAX COLLECTED PARTICIPATING CITIES BETWEEN 2015 AND 2020.

SO I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF SLIDE SIX.

AND THAT TREND HAS CONTINUED.

AND AGAIN, JUST BASED ON POPULATION, RETAIL GROWTH, SHOPPING CENTER GROWTH, ETC..

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RIGHT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DALLAS'S GROWTH.

DALLAS'S SALES TAX IS GROWING, BUT AS A PERCENT OF THE SALES TAX POOL FROM THE 13 CITIES, DALLAS IS SEEING SLIGHT DECREASES YEAR OVER YEAR. SO A STATE LAW CHANGE INTRODUCED PERHAPS IN THE NEXT SESSION, THAT WOULD SAY GOVERNANCE SHOULD BE DRIVEN BY SALES TAX AS OPPOSED TO POPULATION WOULD RESULT IN A CHANGE BECAUSE THEN OUR FRACTIONAL MAJORITY OF THAT EIGHTH SEAT WOULD BE SUPPLANTED BY A SALES TAX DRIVEN ALLOCATION.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE FINAL SLIDE, SLIDE SEVEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT WHILE OUR SALES TAX CONTINUES TO GROW, THE SALES TAX OF SEVERAL OF THE OTHER SERVICE AREA CITIES IS GROWING AT A MUCH FASTER RATE.

THIS IS NOT TO ALARM ANYBODY.

IT'S A TOPIC THAT THOSE OF US ON THE DART BOARD WHO REPRESENT DALLAS DEAL WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS, BECAUSE WHILE THESE EXACT NUMBERS ARE NOT FLASHING IN FRONT OF US, I KNOW FOR MYSELF AND I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO JUMP IN HERE INCREASINGLY ON STRATEGIC VOTES, THERE IS AN OPINION THAT IS DRIVEN BY WHETHER YOU'RE FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS OR ONE OF THE SUBURBAN CITIES, AND THAT CREATES BOTH GOOD DISCUSSION ON MANY ISSUES.

WE HAVE HIGH LEVELS OF CONSENSUS KEEPING OUR BUSSES AND OUR TRAINS ON TIME, KEEPING THEM CLEAN AND KEEPING THEM SAFE.

THERE'S NEAR UNANIMITY ON THAT, BUT ON MANY OTHER ISSUES NOW AND IN THE FUTURE, I SUSPECT THERE WON'T BE.

AND HOW WE THINK ABOUT APPROACHING KEY ISSUES AND KEY POLICIES SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE CHANGE IN GOVERNANCE THAT MIGHT OCCUR AS SOON AS 2025 AND PERHAPS LATER IN THE DECADE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.

AND CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

APPRECIATE IT. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, FOR BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION THAT BOARD MEMBER SCHLOSSER WANTED TO GIVE US A BIT OF A PRESENTATION.

THAT'S FOR ANYBODY ANY DART BOARD MEMBER, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING WHEN WE DO THESE JOINT MEETINGS THAT YOU FEEL IS IMPORTANT, JUST LET US KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH WE CAN PUT WHATEVER WE NEED TO ON THE AGENDA.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS OUR JOINT MEETING.

IT'S NOT MY JOINT MEETING.

IT'S NOT THE CITY'S. IT'S OURS AS OUR TWO ENTITIES AND TRYING TO DO BETTER AT MAKING SURE YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE AT THE SAME TABLE WITH US AND WE'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF YOU.

WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER IN ORDER TO FIX THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED ON AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE GIVING US INFORMATION BACK THAT'S IN A PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT SETTING, SO THAT WE CAN ALL BE IN THE ALL KNOW TOGETHER AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WE NEED TO PUBLICLY AND THEN, OF COURSE, TO THE SIDE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WHATEVER COMES UP.

SO MR. ATKINS, HAVE YOU FIRST AND COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.

MR. SCHLOSSER, DID YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK? YOU'LL TURN OFF YOUR MIC.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. ATKINS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, THEN YOU'LL HAVE IT NEXT COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.

SPEAKING OF SALES TAX THE DEBT WE LOOK AT ALL THE CITIES THAT PAYING THE SALES TAX, AND WE LOOK AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.

YOU KNOW, IT WENT FROM 54.9% DOWN TO 48.9%.

SO WHEN THE DEBT OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF DALLAS PAY MORE SALES TAX.

SO THEREFORE, HOW DO THEY HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THAT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO RESTRUCTURE THE DEBT? WELL, OUR CFO IS NOT HERE.

SO I'M IMAGINING THAT OUR CEO MAY WANT TO PAUSE ON THAT.

DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, NADINE? SO I'M SORRY.

COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, PLEASE? I WAS SAYING THAT THE SALE TAX THAT YOU LOOK AT, DALLAS WENT FROM 54.9% TO 48.9%.

AND WHEN DART [INAUDIBLE] DEBT THE CITY WAS PAYING MORE SALES TAX FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS .

SO WHEN YOU DECREASE THE 48.9% A DEBT DO THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHAT DALLAS IS PAYING ON DEBT.

SO THE DEBT INCURRED AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE LITTLE BIT THAT I CAN TELL YOU AS A NON-FINANCIAL EXPERT, BUT THE DEBT THAT WE INCURRED FOR OUR PREVIOUS MAJOR CAPITAL PROJECTS WAS ALLOCATED TO EACH OF THE CITIES AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS INCURRED.

SO EACH CITY HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT IT'S CARRYING AND THAT IT'S PART OF ITS SALES TAX CONTRIBUTIONS WILL GO TOWARDS PAYING THAT DEBT DOWN.

NOW, THERE IN THE STATE STATUTE, THERE'S SOME SOME LANGUAGE THAT DESCRIBES THE PROVISIONS SHOULD A CITY DECIDE TO LEAVE DART. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THOSE DEBT CALCULATIONS WILL COME IN.

I WILL POINT OUT THAT HISTORICALLY I KNOW THAT AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT SLIDE NUMBER THAT IS.

SLIDE SIX. SLIDE SIX.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK.

SO THE HISTORIC CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE CONTRIBUTIONS OVER TIME TO

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SLIDE SIX. SIX, YEAH.

THERE YOU GO. SO, YOU KNOW, THROUGH 2010, YOU CAN SEE THAT DALLAS CONTRIBUTED 54.89%.

AND THEN THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER DEMONSTRATED YEARS PROVIDED EXAMPLES, I'M SORRY, PROVIDED THERE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF CONTRIBUTION THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS MADE, THE CUMULATIVE AMOUNT OF SALES TAX DOLLARS CONTRIBUTED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS THROUGH 2023, I THINK AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 52% OF THE OVERALL.

AND SO WHEREAS IN A CALENDAR YEAR AS OF LATE, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS CONTRIBUTING LESS THAN 50%, THE OVERALL ACCUMULATION IS STILL OVER 50%.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

MAYOR, IF I CAN ALSO JUST TOUCH ON I'VE ASKED THAT EXACT QUESTION OF OUR CFO AND OUR STAFF, WHICH IS HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT DEBT OBLIGATION ON A PER CITY BASIS? FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. I'M NOT SPEAKING AS THE CFO, AND THIS IS NOT THE CFO'S WORDS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'M CONFIDENT THIS IS ACCURATE, IS THAT IF A CITY, THE WAY THIS GETS CALCULATED IN THE REAL WORLD IS IF A CITY WERE TO HAVE A VOTE TO WITHDRAW FROM DART.

AND AS YOU KNOW, EARLY IN DART'S EXISTENCE, THERE WERE CITIES WHO VOTED TO WITHDRAW BEFORE THERE WAS DEBT.

BUT IF A CITY WERE TODAY, SAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A VOTE TO OUR CITIZENS TO WITHDRAW, THE BONDED INDEBTEDNESS IS ALLOCATED ON A PRO RATA BASIS PER THE POINT THAT NADINE MADE.

AND I HAVE SEEN NUMBERS AND I DO NOT RECALL THEM BY CITY, THAT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 14 YEARS OF OBLIGATION TO CONTINUE TO PAY, EVEN IF THE CITY WERE TO WITHDRAW, BECAUSE THERE IS THERE ARE COVENANTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE BOND OBLIGATIONS.

AND I DO AGREE THAT I THINK AND I TALKED TO CFO, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE CITY OF DALLAS IS TRYING TO WITHDRAW NOW, THE DEBT STILL OCCURRED BECAUSE Y'ALL BORROW AS A REGION.

CORRECT. BUT ALSO SAY THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS DID PAY MORE TOWARDS THE DEBT BECAUSE THEY COLLECT MORE SALES TAX.

BUT AS THE DEBT IS, THAT IS A REGION BECAUSE IT'S INCUMBENT AS ALL 12 CITIES TOGETHER.

BY SAYING THAT I ASKED MS. LEE AND I ALSO ASKED CHIEF [INAUDIBLE] TO COME UP WITH A COMPUTATION, AND I GET YOUR MEMO AND SEEING LIKE YOU DID NOT HAVE TIME TO BRING THAT COMPUTATION UP. AND, COLLEAGUES, I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I ASKED THEM TO DO.

I ASKED THEM THAT TELL ME IF THE CITY OF DALLAS DECIDED TO WITHDRAW A QUARTER OF A CENT SALES TAX, WITHHOLD A HALF A CENT OR THREE QUARTER $0.01 SALES TAX, HOW WOULD THAT RESTRUCTURE THE DEBT AND WHAT WOULD BE THE OUTCOME OF THAT DEBT? AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT BUDGET, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PENSION FUND.

WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY TYPE OF REVENUES THAT I'M LOOKING AT AS A CHAIR, AS THE CHAIR AS A POLICE FIRE PENSION FUND, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR DEBT AND I WANT TO LOOK AT AND I HAVE TALKED TO MANY CITIES AND OTHER CITIES SAID, YEAH, IT SEEMED LIKE A GREAT DEAL, BUT WHAT IS THAT COMPUTATION? YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT SHOW? BECAUSE AT TIMES WHEN THE INTEREST RATE GOES DOWN, THAT'S THE TIME TO RESTRUCTURE THE DEBT.

SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU RESTRUCTURE THE DEBT.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THE DEBT OVERALL HAVE BEEN RESTRUCTURED IN DART? YEAH. AND JUST TO CLARIFY COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A MEMO THERE.

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A MEMO PRODUCED YET.

I SIMPLY MESSAGED HIM TO SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THOSE THOSE THINGS FOR HIM BY MONDAY.

SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT I PRODUCED A MEMO THAT THE BOARD HASN'T SEEN YET.

RIGHT. SO I, YOU KNOW, AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, FIRST OF ALL, EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE COLLECT RIGHT NOW IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN OUR BUDGET AND OUR FINANCIAL PLAN.

SO ANY CHANGE TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE COLLECT WOULD HAVE A DEVASTATING EFFECT ON WHAT WE PRODUCE TODAY.

AND THE WAY I EXPLAIN THIS TO PEOPLE IS THAT IF YOU WERE TO RIDE OUR SYSTEM TODAY AND HAVE A LOOK AROUND THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR TODAY.

IF YOU WANT IT TO BE BETTER, THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS REQUIRED.

IF YOU TAKE MONEY AWAY WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EVEN KEEP UP WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

AND THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, PARTICULARLY TO CITIES LIKE DALLAS WHO SEE A LOT OF BUS SERVICE IN PARTICULAR.

SO, YOU KNOW, I AM CERTAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT CONVERSATIONS THAT IMPLY THAT WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH OF THE SALES TAX REVENUE AS WE COLLECT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAIN THAT NONE OF OUR SERVICE AREA CITIES COULD DEAL WITH A QUARTER CENT LESS THAN WHAT THEY COLLECT TODAY.

SO SO I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ANY CONVERSATIONS SUGGESTING THAT WE COULD DO WITH LESS MONEY THAN WE CURRENTLY COLLECT.

WELL, I'M NOT SAYING YOU DO WITH LESS MONEY.

ONLY THING I'M SAYING IS LOOK INTO IT.

I THINK AS A STEWARD THAT WE NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION.

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YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEBT IS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, RESTRUCTURED THE DEBT BEFORE.

HOW MANY TIMES HAD DART ACTUALLY RESTRUCTURED THE DEBT? HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT BEFORE? SO I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO MY CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, WHO IS NOT WITH US TODAY.

SO IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO, I WILL GET BACK WITH HER, AND WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER.

ALL RIGHT. AND I GUESS COLLEAGUES DART BOARD AND EVERYTHING WHEN YOU LOOK AT ANY TYPE OF ORGANIZATION, WHEN YOU PAY INTO AN ORGANIZATION LIKE WE PAY INTO THE PENSION ORGANIZATION, THE EMPLOYEES ORGANIZATION THAT WE DO HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK THAT QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE A HARD QUESTION TO ASK.

BUT WE HAD THE OBLIGATION TO ASK THAT QUESTION AND SAY, HEY, IF YOU DO RESTRUCTURE, TELL ME HOW YOU DO IT.

THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SELL BONDS OR SOMETIMES WE CANNOT SELL BONDS BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATE IS TOO HIGH, BUT THE RATE GOES DOWN, WE CAN WE CAN SELL BOND, WE GET MORE MONEY. SO I'M JUST ASKING DART AND ASKING THE BOARD PEOPLE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THINGS CHANGE.

AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN A CRISIS SITUATION AND THAT WE WANT TO KNOW DART BEEN A GREAT STEWARD OF OUR MONEY ON OUR TAXPAYERS.

YOU KNOW, WE DO SEE, SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BUSSES GOING SOUTH.

WE'RE NOT GOING EAST AND WEST AND WHY WE'RE NOT SPENDING THAT MONEY TO DO EAST AND WEST AND WE AND RESIDENTS DON'T SEE THAT.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND FROM MY POSITION AS A CHAIRMAN OF THE PENSION FUND THAT I'M LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AND LOOKING AT REVENUE.

AND IT'D BE A SHAME IF I DID NOT ASK YOU THAT HARD QUESTION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU.

SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT YOUR SLIDE SIX RODNEY.

IN YOUR YOUR NUMBERS FOR SALES TAX COLLECTION FOR DALLAS, YOU'VE GOT 407 MILLION.

BUT OUR FINANCIALS SHOW THAT IT WAS 432 MILLION.

THIS INFORMATION CAME FROM OUR CFO, WHO GOT IT FROM THE COMPTROLLER.

SO WE CAN CHECK WHAT THE EXPLANATION IS FOR THE DIFFERENCE.

OKAY. EXCUSE ME.

NADINE OR I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN MAKE SURE WE CHECK ON THAT BECAUSE I CHECKED, THESE NUMBERS DID COME FROM THE COMPTROLLER.

WE'LL CHECK THE NUMBERS.

THANK YOU. THE SECOND THING IS TO MAYOR PRO TEMS DISCUSSION ABOUT A REDUCED CONTRIBUTION.

I THINK THE IDEA, FIRST OF ALL, IS VERY POPULAR AMONGST THE MEMBER CITIES, BUT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE ENCOURAGING OTHER CITIES TO JOIN IN AT A REDUCED RATE SO THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY MAINTAIN AND PERHAPS INCREASE REVENUE, BUT ALSO PROVIDE THE KIND OF MOBILITY OPTIONS THAT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS NEED. BECAUSE AS WE'RE SO OFTEN REMINDED, WE'RE A REGION, NOT JUST A CITY.

AND MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS WORK OUTSIDE OF DALLAS AND IN FACT, WORK IN CITIES THAT ARE NOT MEMBERS OF DART.

AND I KNOW THEY ARE VERY, VERY EAGER TO JOIN DART, BUT NOT AT A $0.01 LEVEL.

SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WIN WIN HERE IN BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE GREATER BUDGET FLEXIBILITY FOR YOUR CURRENT MEMBERS AS WELL AS BETTER TRANSPORTATION FOR THE ENTIRE REGION.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL COME AROUND TO SUPPORTING THIS INITIATIVE, EVEN IF IT AT FIRST SOUNDS HARMFUL, IT ACTUALLY, I THINK, WILL BE BENEFICIAL. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT PERCENT OF YOUR REVENUE IS MADE UP FROM SALES TAX OF THE MEMBER CITIES? THE LAST NUMBER I HEARD WAS ABOUT 75% OF OUR BUDGET.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE I SAW IT, BUT I THINK IT'S LOWER THAN THAT.

BUT COULD YOU PUT THAT BACK INTO A MEMO TO US? YEAH, I'LL MAKE SURE WE CONFIRM THAT NUMBER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS A HARD QUESTION.

IT'S TO THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE.

AND YOU KNOW, RODNEY, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AND THE APPOINTEES FOR DALLAS AND HOW BECAUSE DALLAS IS NOT GROWING CONTRARY TO A NARRATIVE THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY HOW FAST DALLAS IS GROWING.

IT'S NOT. AND IT HASN'T BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

THE QUESTION IS, SO YOU HAVE EIGHT SEATS TODAY, BUT ARE YOU ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO SUPPORT DALLAS COMING TOGETHER AS A MAJORITY? BECAUSE I QUESTION THAT.

AND SO DO YOU FEEL THAT THE EIGHT PEOPLE ARE ALIGNED IN AN EFFORT TO LEAD AND PROTECT DALLAS, BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL APPOINTED BY US, OR IS IT MORE THAT IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT EIGHT OF YOU WERE APPOINTED, AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A MAJORITY AND SOMETIMES YOU DO NOT? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER FOR MYSELF, AND MY COLLEAGUES WILL ANSWER AS WELL.

DESPITE THE NARRATIVE THAT YOU OR OTHERS MIGHT HEAR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC RECORD BASED ON THE VOTES THAT OCCUR, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT THE DALLAS DELEGATION IS, IN THE

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AND WHAT YOU'RE NOT EXPOSED TO, OF COURSE, IS OUR CLOSED SESSION, WHICH OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS HAS BEEN FREQUENT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF COMPLEX LEGAL AND OR HR ISSUES.

AND THE DALLAS DELEGATION IS VERY UNIFIED ON THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE ISSUES.

AND SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY.

BUT SPECIFICALLY, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THEN, THIS RETURN OF SALES TAX, DALLAS WAS THE ONLY CITY PENALIZED NUMBER ONE.

AND YOU COULD HAVE CHANGED THAT IF YOU HAD STUCK TOGETHER AND SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS.

AND NUMBER TWO THE D2 FOR DOWNTOWN WAS PROMISED AS A CAPITAL PROJECT IN EXCHANGE FOR THE COTTON BELT.

COTTON BELT GOING FORWARD, D2 REMOVED WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, AND AGAIN, YOU ALL TOGETHER COULD HAVE STOPPED THAT.

AND SO I JUST QUESTION THAT THE VALUE OF DOES IT MATTER? DOES IT ACTUALLY MATTER? OR ARE YOU REALLY THERE TO HAVE AN ALLIANCE TO SUPPORT DART AS OPPOSED TO SUPPORT A CITY WHICH FAIR ENOUGH. BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, DOES IT MATTER FOR APPOINTING 7 OR 8? WELL, I'LL LEAVE THE QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED TO YOU WHETHER IT MATTERS TO APPOINT 7 OR 8.

BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU ON A PERSONAL BASIS THAT WHAT YOU DON'T SEE, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE NARRATIVE PLAYS OUT, IS THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EFFORT THAT MANY MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS DELEGATION GO TO TRY TO ADVANCE THE GOALS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT DON'T APPEAR BY JUST READING SOME PRESS RELEASE, BUT INVOLVE INCREDIBLE COMPROMISE AMONG SUBURBS WHO THEMSELVES ARE NOT ALWAYS ALIGNED.

LET ME JUST ADD ONE OTHER POINT TO YOUR EARLIER COMMENT JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET LOST IN THIS CONVERSATION.

I'VE BEEN A BIG ADVOCATE OF OUR SEEKING PARTICIPATION FROM ADJACENT CITIES.

YOU'VE NAMED THEM TODAY FRISCO, MCKINNEY, SACHSE, ALLEN.

GO SOUTH RIGHT.

WE HAVE CITIES WHO ARE SOUTH OF US AS WELL, WHO IN SOME WAYS GET SOME PARTICIPATION, PARTICULARLY TO THE EXTENT THAT PEOPLE ARE PARKING AT A RAIL STATION AND THEN COMING INTO DOWNTOWN. THAT MAKES SENSE FROM A REGION PERSPECTIVE IT MAKES SENSE FROM A SALES TAX PERSPECTIVE.

FROM A STRATEGIC PERSPECTIVE, WE SHOULD BE AWARE THAT IF WE WERE TO ADD OTHER CITIES AND THEY WOULD EXPECT SOME LEVEL OF GOVERNANCE, THAT WOULD ALMOST SURELY ELIMINATE DALLAS HAVING 8 OF THE 15 SEATS.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE MATH WORKS.

I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING THE MOST MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.

I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT ACTUALLY HAVING GOOD SERVICE FOR OUR PEOPLE.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND, AND IT'S A MATTER OF BRIDGING THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE COLLEAGUES WHO FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE MAJORITY.

WELL, IT HASN'T WORKED OUT THAT WELL FOR US.

THANK YOU. IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING EIGHT VERSUS HAVING SEVEN THAT WE'RE APPOINTING, THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS WHETHER YOU WANT TO SHARE IT PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

THANK YOU. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO I HAD NEXT ON THE LIST.

I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST TAKEN ABACK BY SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON.

GO AHEAD. SO THIS QUESTION IS FOR DR.

PEREZ. ON SLIDE FIVE, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POPULATION CONSIDERATIONS.

I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE.

I THINK THERE WAS ONE ESTIMATION OF 300,000 PEOPLE BETWEEN NOW AND 2045 THAT THE COG HAD DONE IN DALLAS PROPER.

AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING BEING BUILT.

WE KNOW WE'VE GOT INITIATIVES TO BUILD MORE.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE BUILDING A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTLYING COMMUNITIES ARE BUILDING.

I SEE SOME MULTIFAMILY, BUT I THINK PART OF THEIR APPEAL TO SOME IS BEING ABLE TO GET A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT A MUCH LOWER RATE BECAUSE THE DIRT IS LESS EXPENSIVE.

AND SO AS WE LOOK AHEAD, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING WE CAN POINT TO IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH HOUSING DALLAS IS GOING TO HAVE BE PROJECTED TO HAVE IN THE NEXT FIVE AND TO TEN YEARS, AS WELL AS WHAT WE ARE OBSERVING IN THOSE OUTLYING COMMUNITIES.

AND IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY, I MEAN, I'M GETTING AT THESE POPULATION NUMBERS.

WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE COMING IF WE WANT THEM TO LIVE HERE IN DALLAS PROPER YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO LIVE.

BUT WE ALSO ARE DOING A LOT TOWARD THAT.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN POINT TO, WHETHER IT EXISTS OR WHETHER WE CAN CREATE IT TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND WHAT THE HOUSING PICTURE IS GOING TO LOOK AT, AND WHERE PEOPLE MAY BE DRAWN TO LIVE WHEN THEY MOVE HERE.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.

SO I IMAGINE THAT THERE IS A MASTER PLAN OF THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO TODAY, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN OUR PRESENTATION IS THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS WITH DART TO ADVANCE TOD PROJECTS.

THE PROPOSALS THAT I'VE SEEN OF ALL ARE ALL MULTIFAMILY OF VARIOUS NUMBERS.

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[INAUDIBLE] AND I ARE BOTH WORKING ON THE NEXT ROUND OF POTENTIAL TOD SITES.

AND SO AS FAR AS A COHESIVE PLAN, I'D HAVE TO TALK TO EITHER A HOUSING GROUP OR OUR PLANNING GROUP.

AS FAR AS A COLLABORATIVE PLAN, BUT THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT I KNOW OF THAT WE ARE WORKING ON CURRENTLY, AND WE'LL BE WORKING ON HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

RIGHT. SO SOME OF THE TOD PROJECTS, SOME ARE ONES TIED BACK TO OUR OWN PROGRAMS. AND THEN THERE'S THE WHOLE PIPELINE OF, YOU KNOW, OTHERS WHO DON'T INVOLVE THE CITY EXCEPT FOR TO GET A ZONING CHANGE.

I MEAN, THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE GOT AND HOW WE GO IN AND EXTRACT THAT DATA TO SEE WHAT IS THIS GOING TO LOOK LIKE PHYSICALLY IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND TEN YEARS? HOW MUCH ARE WE ADDING TO OUR HOUSING STOCK AT DIFFERENT POINTS, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY OR MISSING MIDDLE OR SINGLE FAMILY? AND WHAT ARE OUTLYING COMMUNITIES DOING? I MEAN, THEY MAY NOT BE KEEPING PACE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION IS WE MAY HAVE MORE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE WHERE THEY CAN LIVE IN DALLAS.

AND SO THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE POPULATION GROWTH.

WE KNOW PEOPLE ARE COMING BUT IT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LAND AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THIS NUMBER.

THANK YOU.

WE'LL WORK ON THAT, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

MR. ATKINS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR NOW, AND I GOT YOU.

MR. MACGREGOR, AND THEN CHAIR SLAGLE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THE QUESTION THAT THAT I WANT TO ASK IS, NUMBER ONE IS PROBABLY MAYBE THE STATE LEGISLATOR QUESTION.

AND WHEN YOU SAID THAT IF A POPULATION DECREASE BELOW 7.50 DO THAT COME INTO THE STATE LEGISLATURE, THE LAW THAT SAID THAT THE POPULATION WOULD CHANGE ON THE BOARD? YES, THAT IS IN THE STATUTE.

THAT'S IN THE STATUTE. RIGHT.

SO WHEN THAT IF THAT STATUTE DO CHANGE, IT CAN'T EXACTLY BE RE CORRECTED AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

AS YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE CAN DO WHATEVER THE LEGISLATURE WANTS TO DO.

RIGHT. OKAY.

SO SO WE SO WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE NOW IT'S SEVEN POINT.

LET ME GO TO THIS SLIDE.

IT'S SEVEN.

CURRENTLY DALLAS HAS SEVEN FULL SEATS AND 78/100 I'M ON SLIDE FOUR 78/100 OF THE.

AND WHEN DO YOU CALCULATE THAT NUMBER.

IT'S DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS.

IT'S USING THE CENSUS ON THE CENSUS TEN YEAR PROCESS.

AND IT'S USING THE I'M SORRY APOLOGIZE.

IT'S USING THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION FOR THE MID CENSUS.

SO GO TO SLIDE TWO.

SO SHORTLY AFTER 2025, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE DART LEGAL DEPARTMENT USES MPO POPULATION DATA TO RECALCULATE THE BOARD'S DISTRIBUTION.

IS THAT WOULD BE 2025 OR 2030.

SO 2025 WILL BE USING MPO DATA, 2030 WILL BE USING CENSUS DATA.

AND THAT REPEATS ITSELF EVERY TEN YEARS.

SENSOR DATA. SO 3030 WILL BE SENSOR DATA.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

OKAY. SO ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW, WHO IS THE CHAIR ON THE BOARD NOW? RIGHT NOW IT'S. AND WHEN I KNOW RICHARD.

SO, SO WHEN WHO IS WHEN DO THE NEXT CHAIR ROLL OVER.

SO THE BOARD BYLAWS SAY THAT WE NOW ELECT OFFICERS EVERY TWO YEARS FOR A TWO YEAR TERM.

SO CURRENTLY AND THE BYLAWS STIPULATE THAT IT ALTERNATES BETWEEN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND SOMEONE REPRESENTING THE OTHER 12 SERVICE AREA CITIES.

SO WE'RE RIGHT NOW IN THE TWO YEAR CYCLE WHERE THE NON DALLAS CITIES THE CANDIDATES MUST COME FROM THE NON DALLAS AREA CITIES.

OKAY. SO HOW LONG IS THAT BOARD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THE NEXT ELECTION I'M SORRY. THE NEXT ELECTION WILL BE IN OCTOBER.

EXCUSE ME IN OCTOBER OF 25, IT WILL HAVE THE NEXT ELECTION AND IT WOULD BE THE CITY OF DALLAS TURN TO NOMINATE A CANDIDATE TO BE CHAIR. I'M CURRENTLY THE VICE CHAIR.

OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE FIGHTING WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND THE TIME.

IT'S A GOOD POINT, ACTUALLY.

RIGHT. I KNOW IT GETS VERY CLOSE TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE CONTROL OF THE BOARD.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHAIRMANSHIP, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL THE STATE LEGISLATOR SO EVERYBODY KNOW THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.

YOU KNOW, WITH THE SALES TAX REVENUE, THE OTHER CITIES AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO OTHER CITIES ABOUT THE SAME ISSUE THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO TODAY.

SO MAYOR, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE WILL, OF COURSE, CONVENE IN JANUARY OF 2025, AND THAT WILL BE CLOSE TO THE TIME THAT PER DART BYLAWS, NOT STATE LAW, DALLAS WILL HAVE THE CANDIDATE TO BE CHAIR OF THE DALLAS OF THE DART BOARD.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO, COLLEAGUES, BOARD MEMBERS, REMEMBER THAT.

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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

COUNCILWOMAN DANIELLE WILLIS, I THINK, LEFT THE ROOM, BUT I WANTED TO THANK HER FOR HER COMMENTS AND HER INTEREST ON HOUSING AND BRINGING UP TODS. I LEARNED I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STOP YOU ON THAT ONE, BECAUSE TODD IS NOT PART OF MR. SCHLOSSER'S PRESENTATION.

YEAH. SORRY.

ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, THOUGH? I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT PRESENTATION, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO.

SO CHAIR SLAGEL, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU. CHAIR, I JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.

IN WATCHING. AND I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR 12 YEARS, I GUESS, AND WATCHING OUR DALLAS BOARD MEMBERS PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS OF DART.

THEY HAVE VERY.

I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED BY THE FACT THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT YOU'VE APPOINTED HAVE BEEN REGIONAL BOARD MEMBERS.

THAT IS TO SAY, THEY WORK WITH DART FOR WHAT THE BOARD BELIEVES IS BEST FOR DART.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR JOB.

AND THEY TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD.

IT'S ACTUALLY VERY GOOD BECAUSE.

THAT'S WHAT WE.

THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

AND IT WORKS VERY WELL.

WE HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT WE WORK THROUGH, BUT I THINK THE ANSWER THERE IS WE WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU'RE SEEING PERFORMANCE OUT OF YOUR BOARD MEMBERS.

THAT IS VERY STRONG BECAUSE I THINK IT IS.

AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED.

AND AND THANK YOU FOR WHO YOU APPOINT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR SLAGEL.

I HAVE I'M GOING TO HAVE MY LAST TWO BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY GOT TO GET ON TO THE WE'RE WE'RE WAY BEHIND AND WE HAVE WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION WE REALLY HAVE TO GET TO BECAUSE WE NEED DART HERE FOR IT AS WELL.

SO BOARD MEMBER HERNANDEZ AND THEN BOARD MEMBER BRYANT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS SOMETHING REALLY PRESSING AFTER THAT, WE GOT TO MOVE ON.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER.

THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER. THANK YOU, CHAIR I APPRECIATE IT.

YES. NO, MY NAME IS FLORA, I APPRECIATE IT.

I JUST WANT TO, DESPITE WHAT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAY THINK ABOUT, PERHAPS THE DIVISIONS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE SUBURBS.

I THINK SOME OF THAT MAYBE IS IS BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION.

AND CASE IN POINT IS WE HAVE A CHAIR FROM THE SUBURBAN MEMBER CITIES CHAIR SLAGLE, WHO WAS ELECTED IN THIS LAST CYCLE.

AND TYPICALLY THE THE CHAIR.

WELL, THE CHAIR APPOINTS ALL BOARD MEMBERS.

I MEAN, LIKE ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE INDIVIDUAL COMMITTEES.

AND TYPICALLY IN THE YEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SUBURBAN MEMBER IS CHAIR OF THE BOARD, YOU SEE THE CHAIRS OF THE COMMITTEES, PREDOMINANTLY IN THE SUBURBS.

AND SO KUDOS TO CHAIR SLAGLE BECAUSE IN FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE HAVE PATRICK KENNEDY, OBVIOUSLY A DALLAS BOARD MEMBER, APPOINTEE TO THE BOARD OF TO THE DART BOARD.

AND HE IS CHAIR OF PLANNING.

WE HAVE CARMEN GARCIA, WHO IS CHAIR OF AUDIT, AND THEN I AM CHAIR OF OPERATIONS.

THAT IS UNUSUAL IN IN THE YEAR, AGAIN, THAT A SUBURBAN MEMBER IS CHAIR.

AND AGAIN, I THINK IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW WELL WE WORK TOGETHER.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHAIR SLAGLE. THANK YOU.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

BOARD MEMBER BRIAN QUICK. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD, FIRST OF ALL, AS DART BOARD MEMBERS, THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT WE CAN DO TO AFFECT POPULATION CHANGES.

I MEAN, THERE'S A FEW THINGS COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN DO TO TRY TO INCENTIVIZE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT AND AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

I THINK FOR US AS DART BOARD MEMBERS, THERE'S EVEN LESSER IMPACTFUL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

MAYBE CREATING MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS IN OR AT TRAIN CENTERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE NUMBERS.

AND ALL WE CAN REALLY DO IS, IS, IS REACT TO THEM.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT VERY CLEAR.

I DO APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

AND TWO MISS MENDELSOHN COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN POINT.

IT MY OPINION DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY BOARD MEMBERS WE HAVE ON DART.

IF IF, IF WE ARE NOT ALIGNED AND WORKING TOGETHER.

I SAID THIS THREE WEEKS AGO, SITTING RIGHT THERE AT MY COMMITTEE HEARING TO THE POINT.

AND SO I THINK HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THESE CONVERSATIONS AND INTERACTIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND THAT WE

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THANK YOU. VERY GOOD.

AND YOU'RE COMING AT THE LAST SECOND.

CHAIR, FORMER CHAIR KRAUSE.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GET IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.

I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE WITH THE TWO DATA POINTS THAT I THINK WE CANNOT UNDERESTIMATE.

THIS COMES FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE PREMIER DATA COLLECTION ENTITY.

IS 87% OF 87% OF TRIPS ON TRANSIT DIRECTLY BENEFIT LOCAL ECONOMY.

WE GET A 5 TO 1 ECONOMIC RETURN ON LONG TERM INVESTMENT IN PUBLIC TRANSIT.

SO I HOPE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAYS WITH YOU.

BUT WE CANNOT UNDERESTIMATE THAT.

35% OF TRANSIT RIDERS EARN UNDER $50,000 A YEAR.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THANK YOU BOARD MEMBER SCHLOSSER FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AND THINGS THAT WE MAY BE HAVING TO GO START TALKING TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS WITH AS A COUNCIL, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME.

CONVERSATIONS ON THAT AS WELL, AND THEN HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND THANK YOU TO NADINE LEE, CEO AND I MEAN, CITY OF DALLAS TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR DOCTOR ROBERT PEREZ FOR JUMPING IN AND ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE PRESENTATION.

NEXT, THE LAST PRESENTATION WE HAVE IS LETTER D, THE DART AND CITY OF DALLAS JOINT INITIATIVES UPDATE.

AND DOCTOR ROBERT PEREZ, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, OVER TRANSPORTATION.

I CALLED YOU THE DIRECTOR EARLIER.

I'M SORRY. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

OVER TRANSPORTATION FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

WE'LL BE DOING THE LEAD PRESENTATION PRESENTING ON THIS, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.

ROBERT, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.

CHAIR. AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, ROBERT PEREZ, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

SLIDE TWO WILL GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO COVER TODAY.

NEXT SLIDE FOR THE TRAFFIC SYSTEM UPGRADES, OUR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS WORKING ON CLOUD BASED SOLUTIONS THAT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS FOR CITYWIDE TRANSIT SIGNAL PRIORITY SOLUTIONS AS WELL AS CONNECTED VEHICLES.

NEXT SLIDE.

SLIDE FOUR SHOWS SOME OF THOSE TRAFFIC SIGNAL SYSTEM UPGRADES THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE EXCESS SALES TAX REVENUES THAT WERE ALLOTTED TO US.

DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION UTILIZED $11.6 MILLION TO UPGRADE SIGNALS ALONG 22 SIGNALS ALONG DART'S MAJOR CORRIDORS.

JUST AS A SIDE NOTE THE COUNCIL MEMORANDUM THAT DETAILS THE $90 MILLION OF THE EXCESS SALES TAX REVENUES IS, IS LISTED HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT OF THE $90 MILLION ONE OF THE MILESTONES WAS FOR DART TO APPROVE ALL $90 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS, I BELIEVE BY JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, WHICH THE TEAMS HAVE DONE AND DART HAS APPROVED.

AS A SIDE NOTE, WE HAVE COLLECTED AND OR EXECUTED ABOUT $21 MILLION OF THE $90 MILLION TOTAL.

NEXT SLIDE.

OF THE $90 MILLION, $10 MILLION WAS PROGRAMED FOR SIDEWALKS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.

OUR CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN AWARDING THOSE CONTRACTS AS AS LATE AS THIS MONTH.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

AS MENTIONED EARLIER WE HAVE ABOUT A $54 MILLION INVENTORY OF ADA RAMP NEEDS ABOUT $50 MILLION OR $50 MILLION OF THE OF THE EXCESS SALES TAX REVENUES ARE GOING TOWARDS THAT EFFORT AS WELL.

CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN AWARDING THOSE CONTRACTS I GUESS BEGINNING IN MARCH AND CONTINUING THROUGH THIS MONTH.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I LIST THE DOWNTOWN CONVENTION CENTER MASTER PLAN AS AN ITEM.

AS FAR AS CONTINUED JOINT COORDINATION, AS OUR TEAMS ARE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH DART AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUITY OF SERVICE, AND THAT AS THE CONVENTION CENTER MASTER PLAN IS DELIVERED, THAT WE CLOSELY COORDINATE WITH DART.

AS FAR AS THE FACILITIES THAT ARE NEEDED TO CONTINUE THE SERVICE THERE.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE DID BREAK DOWN THE CONVENTION CENTER MASTER PLAN INTO SEVERAL TO SEVERAL COMPONENTS.

ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS BEING THE TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT THAT WILL BEGIN AND CONTINUE COORDINATING WITH DART ON PARTICULARLY I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE WORK ON THE EBJ UNION STATION.

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NEXT SLIDE. MOVING FORWARD.

THE NEXT FEW SLIDES TALK ABOUT THE JOINT TOD PROJECTS THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER.

WE DID HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ON THE NEXT SLIDE ON SLIDE TEN THAT WE BEGAN WORKING ON BETWEEN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP AND DART STAFF.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE I DO LIST OR WHAT'S LISTED HERE ARE THE THE PROPOSALS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ON THOSE SIX TODS.

I WILL MENTION THAT TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR WE DID DISCONTINUE WORKING ON, ON THE FIFTH ONE WHICH WAS OR. I'M SORRY, ON, ON A SIXTH ONE WHICH IS THE LOCATION AT EIGHTH AND CORINTH STATION.

SO WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON FIVE TOD SITES WITH DART.

AND AS MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL SECOND ROUND OF POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE, OVER THE NEXT 18 MONTHS, THE TEAMS WILL CONTINUE WORKING ON DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT OF ENTRY AND THEN URBAN DESIGN, PEER REVIEW PANELS AND THEN THE INCENTIVES THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING ALONG WITH THESE POTENTIAL PROJECTS.

NEXT SLIDE.

THEY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PERMIT COORDINATION.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH BETWEEN OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TEAM AND DART WAYS TO STREAMLINE, COLLABORATE ON THE NECESSARY PERMITS THAT DART HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR STRUCTURAL APPLICATIONS.

THEY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, TOO, THAT OUR DSD TEAM WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN LUNCH AND LEARN EVENT HOSTED BY DART.

EITHER I BELIEVE IT'S TOWARDS THE END OF THIS THIS MONTH.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

VERY GOOD. MR..

RESENDEZ, I'M GOING TO GO WITH YOU FIRST BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE VIRTUAL WORLD.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW, LET YOU CAN HAVE THE FLOOR.

AND IF NOT, I CAN GET BACK TO YOU IF YOU HAVE SOME LATER.

SO LATER. OKAY.

ANYBODY TO THE RIGHT OVER HERE AT THIS POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER.

SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.

JUST VERY QUICKLY, I THINK TO DIRECTOR LEE'S POINT EARLIER FOR THE PLACES WHERE A TOD ISN'T FEASIBLE, WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE OF POLITICAL WILL OR OTHER REASONS. I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO REALLY START TO LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATIVES AND MORE CREATIVE USE OF THOSE EMPTY PARKING LOTS, YOU KNOW. AND HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THE ONES IN, YOU KNOW, IN AND AROUND DISTRICT 11.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE UNTIL WE CAN GET THE POLITICAL WILL TO PUT MORE HOUSING ON THOSE SITES.

THANK YOU. AND CHAIR SCHULTZ, IF I COULD, MA'AM.

THERE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FOR THIS NEXT ROUND INCLUDE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS RESIDENTIAL PARCELS, ACTUALLY, THAT THAT DART OWNS.

AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY, NOT JUST THE LARGER TOD SITES IN PARKING LOTS, BUT ALSO POTENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AS WELL.

GO AHEAD. BOARD MEMBER MCGREGOR.

THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN.

WHAT DO YOU THINK? TALK ALL ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU SIR. YEAH.

SO WE HAVE.

I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT TODS ARE PROBABLY THE ONE EASY WAY TO REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE IN TERMS OF INCREASING THE THE POPULATION OF DALLAS THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE.

I STARTED SAYING BEFORE.

I'M GLAD THAT I GET TO SAY IT NOW.

I LEARNED AT THE TIME THAT AT&T WAS WORKING ON THEIR DISCOVERY CENTER.

AND AT THAT TIME, I WAS A CPC.

THEY TALKED ABOUT WHY THEY DECIDED TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, THAT SPACE RATHER THAN DOING WHAT MANY OF THE COMPANIES DOING BY BUILDING CAMPUSES IN THE SUBURBS. THEY SAID THAT THEIR ANALYSIS TELLS THEM THAT THE YOUNGER GENERATION OF PROFESSIONALS PREFERS URBAN LIVING THAN SUBURBAN LIVING.

AND SO AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY DID WHAT THEY DID, WHICH IS PROVEN TO BE A GREAT SUCCESS.

AND THAT AND A GREAT BENEFIT NOT ONLY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, BUT FOR FOR FOR DALLAS BEHIND THAT IDEA, I THINK THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT THOUGHT.

I THINK TODS PROBABLY WILL HAVE A GOOD DEAL OF DEMAND AND CERTAINLY AMONG YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO I'VE HIRED PEOPLE IN DALLAS BEFORE.

I CAN THINK OF ONE COUPLE THAT CAME FROM BOSTON AND, AND IN THE BEGINNING, THEY DID NOT WANT A CAR.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET A CAR. AND, I MEAN, I JUST KIND OF WAITED.

AND UNTIL IT WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE THEY HAD TO BUY A CAR.

RIGHT. BUT JUST SAYING, I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS ALREADY, BUT THE YOUNGER GENERATION WOULD RATHER LIVE IN A MORE CAR FREE WORLD.

I GUESS TO PUT THIS IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION, IS THERE ANY FURTHER ROOM TO LOOK AT TOD OPPORTUNITIES BEYOND THE SIX THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON? YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY.

AS MENTIONED, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL SECOND ROUND OF TODD OPPORTUNITIES.

I MENTIONED THE SINGLE FAMILY PARCELS.

I KNOW THAT DART OWNS 19 SINGLE FAMILY PARCELS BY THE DART BLUE LINE, JUST BY UNK DALLAS.

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THERE'S SOME NEEDED STREET WORK THAT NEEDS TO GO IN PLACE THERE.

BUT I MEAN THAT THAT'S JUST ONE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY.

SO. SO YES, THERE THERE'S GOING TO BE A SECOND ROUND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND A FOLLOW UP, IF I MAY DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY VALUE IN THE IDEA OF.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW TODD'S IN ORDER TO BE ZONED FOR DEVELOPMENT, GENERALLY THEY WILL GO THROUGH A PD, WHICH IS COMPLICATED AND IS THERE ANY VALUE IN THINKING OF TOD AS A USE ITSELF? IN OTHER WORDS, HAVING A TOD ZONING AREA AS THE WAY YOU DO MULTIFAMILY OR YOU KNOW, SO THAT SO THAT YOU JUST DEVELOP YOU DESIGNATE TODD ZONING FORMULA FOR THESE SPACES.

I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE PROCESS A GOOD DEAL EASIER.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO DETAILS AS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WISE OF US TO TAKE, YOU KNOW TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY IF WE CAN. BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY OVER HERE ON THE LEFT WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? NONE. NONE AT ALL.

WOW. YOU GOT THEM ALL OUT, I GUESS SO.

VERY GOOD. AND THANK YOU.

ROBERT AND YOUR STAFF, YOUR TEAM, FOR THESE JOINT INITIATIVES.

THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT, OBVIOUSLY.

AND WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THERE.

AND IT'S GOOD THAT WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE STARTED BUILDING BACK TO A BETTER, BETTER PLACE.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAD AND MAYBE EVEN THREE YEARS AGO.

AND I THINK IT'S FROM HAVING MORE COMMUNICATION AND SPEAKING WITH EACH OTHER AND OUR DART BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY US KNOWING BETTER WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS DOING AND WHAT ITS GOALS ARE.

AND BY MAKING SURE THOSE ARE CLEAR TO DART AND THEN VICE VERSA.

DART GIVING US YOU ALL AS BOARD MEMBERS, GIVING US WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ALL WORK TOGETHER AND TRY TO ACHIEVE THE COMMON GOAL, WHICH IS MAKING SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR CITIES AND THE OTHERS MEMBER CITIES ARE ABLE TO TRANSVERSE ACROSS THE REGION IN A SAFE, CLEAN WAY THAT'S AFFORDABLE FOR THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS BUILDING THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT IN OUR CITY.

EXPONENTIALLY. SO THESE ARE ALL POSITIVE GOOD THINGS.

AND I REALLY LIKE SEEING THAT I'LL END WITH IS IN THIS JOINT IS DART'S WILLINGNESS TO THE TODD AND ALL OF THOSE, WHICH IS THAT'S NOT IN YOUR REALM, RIGHT.

HOUSING. BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE.

BUT IT CAN BE WITH THAT JOINT PARTNERSHIP AND IT IS GOING TO BE WITH THAT JOINT PARTNERSHIP OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO WITH THOSE.

AND THAT AGAIN, I MEAN, I CAN GO TO ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT PLANS, CECAP AND, YOU KNOW VISION ZERO AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WHERE WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT DART.

SO THANK YOU ALL.

AND I GUESS I HAVE ONE MORE.

SO BOARD MEMBER GARCIA.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'VE BEEN A LITTLE QUIET BECAUSE I HAVE REALLY BAD SINUSES TODAY, BUT I REALLY SUPPORT ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THE TABLE.

AND YOU ALL BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I WAS FIRST APPOINTED TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD THERE WAS MANY, MANY QUESTIONS ASKED.

AND I ASKED THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR TO CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND I SAID, HOW OFTEN DO WE MEET AND TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES? AND HE SAYS, WE DON'T.

AND GUESS WHAT? HERE WE ARE TODAY.

SO I REALLY WANT TO COMMEND EVERYONE AROUND THE TABLE THAT REALLY SPEAKS THEIR HEART AND THEIR PASSION AND HOW WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER.

I BELIEVE THAT IS THE KEY THING THAT WE HAVE AND WE BRING TO THE TABLE.

WE HAVE OUR STAFF HERE, YOU HAVE YOUR STAFF, AND DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE ARE THERE TO WORK AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WE'RE ON ON A VERY POSITIVE ROLL.

WE HAVE PAY PLAY A POSITIVE ROLE IN OUR IN OUR SERVING ON THIS BOARD.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT AND AND IT'S IMPACTFUL.

SO WE ARE RECOGNIZING AND SUPPORTING THINGS FOR ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND I JUST WANTED TO END WITH THAT NOTE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

AND WITH THAT I CALL THIS PORTION TO A CLOSE, THIS PRESENTATION.

WE HAVE BRIEFING ACTUALLY, AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO LET CHAIR SLAGEL IF HE LIKES, AND THE DART BOARD MEETING.

YOU CAN CLOSE THAT MEETING SO YOU ALL CAN GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS.

UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO SIT HERE AND YOU WANT TO FORCE THEM TO SIT HERE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE IT.

BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU, CHAIR.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE CAN SET UP THERE.

THAT WAY YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU NEED TO.

YOU CAN STAY SITTING HERE.

BUT LET ME JUST LET ME THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING.

SO MOVE MOTION AND A SECOND.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE. AND THIS IS CLOSED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. CHAIR SLAGEL.

VERY GOOD. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BRIEFING BY MEMO.

FIRST WE'RE GOING TO START WITH LETTER E.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON LETTER E SEEING.

NO QUESTIONS. NO NO NO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

NO, NO. VERY GOOD.

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MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL, TODAY IS TAX DAY, APRIL 15TH.

AND HOW ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE THAT THIS MEMO WOULD LAND ON TAX DAY, BECAUSE IT'S POSSIBLY HAS THE WORST IDEA I'VE EVER SEEN RELATING TO TAXES.

SO THIS THIS PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

WOULD TAX OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESSES FOR WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A SECOND TIME, AN ONGOING CHARGE FOR THE USE AND MAINTENANCE OF OUR STREETS, WHICH THEY ALREADY OWN.

AND THEY PAY PROPERTY AND SALES TAX EXPECTING THAT THESE ROADS WILL BE MAINTAINED.

AND I AM JUST ABSOLUTELY FLABBERGASTED READING THIS MEMO, EVEN CONTEMPLATING AN IDEA OF THIS TRANSPORTATION USER FEE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT? SO COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.

BACK IN OCTOBER, WE LAID THIS OUT TO THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

AS FAR AS POTENTIAL FEES THAT WE WILL BE EVALUATING BASED UPON FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD FROM THIS BODY.

SO AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE ITEMS. IT'S ON PAGE TWO.

IT LISTS THAT WE'RE STILL EVALUATING IT.

UNDERSTANDING YOUR COMMENTS, IT'S NOTHING THAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS OF TODAY.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE ASKED US TO LOOK INTO IT.

AND SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE DONE.

OKAY. WELL, IN THIS MEMO, YOU TALK ABOUT ADDING A STREET TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEE.

WHICH MANY OTHER CITIES DO.

THIS IS A COST RECOVERY ITEM.

I SUPPORT IT A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT FEE.

AGAIN IT'S COST RECOVERY I SUPPORT IT LANE AND SIDEWALK CLOSURE FEE.

AGAIN I SUPPORT IT.

WHAT WE'RE NOT RECOVERING THOUGH.

ARE THESE EXACT FEES, INCLUDING OTHER LANE CLOSURE FEES FROM DART, FROM THE ISDS, FROM THE COUNTY? AND IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT REVENUE RECOVERY, THEN THEY PROBABLY SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

AND SO I'D LIKE YOU TO AT LEAST CALCULATE WHAT THAT REVENUE IS, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I DID THE MATH ON DART, IT WAS IN EXCESS OF $11 MILLION THAT WE'RE GIVING OUT THAT WE'RE EXEMPTING JUST ON THE COTTON BELT PROJECT.

AND THERE'S A HUGE IMPACT TO ROADS THAT ARE NEARBY AS WE HAVE DOZENS, MULTIPLE DOZENS OF 18 WHEELERS IDLING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND STREETS.

NOT TO MENTION THE IMPACT TO ALL THE RESIDENTS.

NUMBER TWO IS THIS TRANSPORTATION USER FEE.

I WOULD QUESTION IF IT'S LEGAL.

PLEASE MAKE SURE WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BRING IT BACK, THAT YOU HAVE CLEARLY CITED HOW THIS WOULD EVEN BE A LEGAL ITEM BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS. THIS LOOKS LIKE DOUBLE TAXATION TO ME.

AND NUMBER THREE, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BRING IT BACK.

AND I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE YOU THAT FLAT OUT DIRECTION.

DON'T BRING IT BACK.

I WOULD NOT SUPPORT AN RFP TO EVEN STUDY IT.

THIS IS REALLY AN AFFRONT TO OUR TAXPAYERS TO THEN TRY TO ASK THEM TO PAY, BASED ON YOUR CALCULATION OF HOW FREQUENTLY THEY'RE GOING TO USE OUR ROADS.

THEY'RE THE ROADS IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, THE ROADS TO AND FROM WORK.

I JUST THINK THIS IS A SHOCKING AND TERRIBLE IDEA.

SO THAT'S THAT PART.

THE NEXT ITEM YOU HAVE IS THE SANITATION ALLEY SERVICE FEE.

AND WHILE I REALIZE THIS IS BEING TALKED ABOUT IN A COMMITTEE, WHICH I'M NOT A MEMBER OF, I'LL JUST TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE HAVE FRONT FACING GARAGES AND A SERVICE ALLEY WHERE YOU'RE PICKING UP TRASH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY YOU NEED A STUDY.

THIS IS A NO BRAINER TO MOVE THAT TRASH TO THE FRONT.

IF YOU HAVE A FRONT FACING GARAGE, YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR GARAGE, YOUR TRASH PICKED UP IN THE FRONT.

PERIOD. I'M GOING TO STOP YOU ON THE TRASH PICKUP BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS SANITATION ALLEY.

SERVICE FEE IS EXACTLY ABOUT THIS.

ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. THE SECOND THING IS WHEN YOU HAVE REAR ALLEY PICKUP FOR A REAR FACING GARAGE.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY GET A SMALLER TRUCK.

OR ESCALATE THE FEES IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED FOR COST RECOVERY.

BUT THIS SHOULD NOT BE A CONVERSATION.

AND NUMBER THREE ARE WE STILL EVEN ALLOWING NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE ALLEYS? I THINK WE ARE.

WELL, IF WE'RE HAVING THIS PROBLEM, WHY AREN'T WE STOPPING IT BEFORE IT CONTINUES? SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BRING TO US.

SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE ARE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE ALLOWING THE CREATION OF HOUSING THAT WE KNOW IS PROBLEMATIC FOR FOR TRASH PICKUP AND ALLEY MAINTENANCE. WHY DON'T WE JUST TELL ALL THE DEVELOPERS KNOW IT HAS TO BE FRONT END? SO THAT'S THAT LAST ONE.

AND THEN AGAIN, AS AN OVERALL NO FOR RFP FOR CONSULTANTS TO PURSUE AN EXTREMELY TERRIBLE IDEA

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THANK YOU. MR..

GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER.

SCHULTZ. GO AHEAD. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK TO ALL THE POINTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN IS BRINGING UP, RATHER THAN HAVING IT BE A RESPONSE TO A MEMO, I THINK IT WOULD BE A VERY INTERESTING BRIEFING TO HAVE ONCE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT I KNOW YOU'RE STILL RESEARCHING ON THESE AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHAT'S NOT, RATHER THAN RESPONDING TO A MEMO AND, YOU KNOW, SORT OF EACH OF US SAYING OUR OPINION ON THAT, I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT BRIEFING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR SCHULTZ.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE MEMO.

IT WAS JUST TO LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE ALL THESE OTHER ITEMS CAME, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.

I HAD HIGHLY TRUST THAT OUR STAFF AND OUR ATTORNEYS WOULD FOLLOW THEIR ETHICS AND FOLLOW THE LAW AND FOLLOW THEIR RULES.

AND I AM NOT BRINGING US SOMETHING THAT WAS ILLEGAL.

SO LET'S TRY NOT TO USE THAT KIND OF ACCUSATION HERE WHILE I'M CHAIR, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.

AND IT'S NOT GOOD TO DO THAT.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THIS MEMO.

EVERYBODY SAID THEIR PIECE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GUYS.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT WAY THINGS THAT WENT OUT.

YOU'RE NOT RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME.

CHAIR. CHAIR. MENDELSOHN.

WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO LETTER F, MONTHLY UPDATE OF PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAM PERFORMANCE.

ALI, DO YOU HAVE ANY THING TO PRESENT ON THAT? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ITEM F? SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM G.

ITEM G IS THE INTER-AGENCY REPORT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ITEM G.

SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THAT LETTER H IS THE FORECAST FOR THE COMMITTEE.

ANY ITEMS ON THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.

GO AHEAD. WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING AN ITEM FOR THE CITY ATTORNEYS TO WEIGH IN ON THE LEGALITY OF DOUBLE TAXING FOR STREET USAGE, PLEASE? SURE. AT THAT TIME WE WILL DO THAT.

IF AND WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP THAT'S PRESENTED TO US TO LOOK AT, THEN WE WILL BRING IT UP.

AT THAT TIME, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A BRIEFING ON THAT.

THANK YOU. A BRIEFING ON FROM THE CITY ATTORNEYS ON THE LEGALITY OF THIS TRANSPORTATION USER FEE.

THANK YOU. I'LL I'LL TALK TO THE ATTORNEYS AND SEE IF IT'S EVEN.

ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU'LL SEND IT TO ME DIRECTLY IN AN EMAIL AND A MEMO SO THAT I CAN GET IT TO THE ATTORNEYS.

SO WE KEEP IT ALL ON THE RECORD AND ALL ALL APPROPRIATE.

SO IF YOU'LL SEND ME THAT MEMO AND I'LL GET IT TO THE ATTORNEYS THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS LOOKED INTO AND TAKEN CARE OF.

THE WAY YOU'RE REQUESTING IT TO BE BRIEFED, BECAUSE I NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM THEM WHAT THEY WOULD BE BRIEFING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO ME IN A MEMO, I'D APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYTHING ELSE? VERY GOOD. ITEMS IJKL THROUGH.

ITEM W, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS? COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN I HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM U, WHICH I BELIEVE IS TRANSPORTATION.

THIS IS ABOUT THE CHAPTER 28 AMENDMENTS.

AND I'M WONDERING I DIDN'T SEE AND PERHAPS IT WAS MY VERSION, BUT I DIDN'T SEE AN ATTACHMENT OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE.

AND I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU COULD SEND IT.

YEAH. HIS NAME.

GUZMAN, CALI, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

YEAH. THESE ITEMS. I'LL SEND THE DETAILS. THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM, AND WE'LL SEND THEM.

AND PRIMARILY, I MEAN, THESE ARE JUST REFINEMENTS TO WHAT IS OUT THERE IN THE FIELD.

SO. OKAY.

BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY AM HAVING SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE'RE SELECTING SCHOOL TRAFFIC ZONES, AND I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THAT METHODOLOGY. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS ON THERE THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT.

THANK YOU. THANKS, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD.

WITH ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, SEEING THAT THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON OTHER INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, I NOW CALL THE MEETING TO A CLOSE AT 3:30 P.M. FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE MEETING FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.

HAVE A GREAT DAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.