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WELL WITH THAT. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on April 23, 2024.]
TODAY IS APRIL 23RD.AND WE'RE CALLING THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER.
THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
SO MOVED. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN MORENO AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I'M CYNTHIA ELLISON, INTERIM DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.
THIS MORNING, WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH AN UPDATE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE TO THE PROGRAM AND TALK ABOUT THE REVERTER FOR THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM AND SOME OF OUR HOME OWNERSHIP CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE.
AND DARWIN WADE IS OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
GOOD MORNING. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, DARWIN WADE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS AN INTRODUCTORY BRIEFING ON THREE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS OFFERED TO DEVELOPERS AS PART OF OUR MANY TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX TO SPUR ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE, AND EQUITABLE MIXED INCOME HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
OUR PURPOSE OF TODAY IS TO ONE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ON PROPOSED POLICY CHANGES, ADDRESS IMPEDIMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN, OFFER SOLUTIONS, AND RECEIVE YOUR FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION, AS WELL AS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AS WE NAVIGATE NEXT STEPS.
IN 2018, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING POLICY, WHICH INCLUDED THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION PROGRAM, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, AND THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM, ALONG WITH OTHER AMENDMENTS SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
IN AUGUST 2020, WE ISSUED OUR FIRST NOFA, KNOWN AS THE NOTICE OF FUNDING AVAILABILITY.
THE NOFA OFFERS FLEXIBILITY REQUESTED FROM THE DEVELOPER COMMUNITY TO ACCESS GAP FINANCING IN A TIMELY FASHION, IN THE FORM OF A REPAYABLE LOAN TO SUPPORT ACQUISITION AND REHABILITATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MIXED INCOME RENTAL FOR SALE HOUSING, AS WELL AS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECTS.
IN APRIL OF 2023, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033 TO REPLACE THE CHP AND THE DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG, WHICH SEPARATED THE POLICY FROM THE PERFORMANCE METRICS FROM THE APPROVED PROGRAMS. RECENT AMENDMENTS TO THE DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG TRANSFER PROGRAM WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY THE 14TH.
THAT INCLUDED THE RELEASING OF THE LAND TRANSFER DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR HOMEBUYERS WHO ARE QUALIFYING THROUGH THE DAP PROGRAM, AND WE WILL REPLACE THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS WITH DAP DEED RESTRICTIONS.
WE ALSO AMENDED THE POLICY TO NO LONGER REQUIRE QUALIFIED BUYER THAT IS NOT DAP TO MEET THE DAP UNDERWRITING GUIDELINES, AND WE ALSO REQUIRED ANY BUYER THAT IS A PARTICIPANT TO MEET THE DAP GUIDELINES.
ALL LOANS TO CHODOS ARE FORGIVABLE.
NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE THREE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS TODAY.
FIRST, WE HAVE THE NEW NEW CONSTRUCTION SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION PROGRAM, WHICH PROVIDES GAP FINANCING TO DEVELOPERS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION OF EXISTING PROPERTIES.
UNDER THIS PROGRAM, GAP FINANCING IS PROVIDED IN THE FORM OF A FULLY REPAYABLE LOAN WITH INTEREST EXCEPT FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECTS. WE HAVE A VARIETY OF REPAYMENT OPTIONS.
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TO BE REPAID.SO THE FIRST ITEM YOU SEE IS THE REPAYABLE LOANS TO NONPROFIT CHODOS.
THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SEEING.
WE HAVE FEWER HOTELS THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPERS THAT ARE USING UTILIZING THE NOFA.
SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY FACED WITH LOWER NET OPERATING INCOME DUE TO AFFORDABLE RENTS AND ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES, COUPLED WITH THE REPAYMENT OF CITY LOANS FROM NET OPERATING INCOME, WHICH FURTHER STRESSES THE PROJECT AND LIMITS THEIR ABILITY TO PROVIDE ONGOING PRODUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR CITY.
A PROPOSED SOLUTION FOR THIS CHALLENGE IS TO AMEND THE CURRENT POLICY TO CATEGORIZE THESE LOANS AS FORGIVABLE LOANS, WITH THE REQUIREMENT TO USE FORGIVABLE LOANS TO SPUR ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE ADMINISTRATION OF GAP FINANCING, AS YOU SEE IN THE CHART.
RECENT TRENDS IN OUR NOFA FUNDING HAVE SHOWN THAT FREQUENT AND LARGE GAP FUNDING REQUESTS ARE REOCCURRING FROM THE SAME DEVELOPERS DURING THE SAME FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? SO THE CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN THE INCREASED REQUEST.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO REQUIRE ONLY ONE NOFA APPLICATION PER FISCAL YEAR PER DEVELOPER TO ALLOW A MORE EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF GAP FUNDING, AND TWO, WE ARE PROPOSING TO CAP GAP FUNDING PROVIDED TO A DEVELOPER AT A MAX 25% OF THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COST, OR $5 MILLION, WHICHEVER IS LESS.
NEXT ON THE SLIDE YOU'LL SEE THE THIRD ITEM IS TO STREAMLINE REPAYMENT OPTIONS.
WE'RE JUST BASICALLY PROPOSING TO STREAMLINE THE REPAYMENT OPTIONS AND USE THE MOST COMMONLY OPTION, WHICH IS THE CASH SURPLUS PAYMENT NUMBER FOUR TALKS ABOUT TARGETED INVESTMENTS.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO REQUIRE 50% OF THE HOUSING BUDGET TO BE ALLOCATED TO THE TARGET AREAS.
THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL IN A SUBSEQUENT PRESENTATION TODAY.
THE FIFTH ITEM ON THE SLIDE TALKS ABOUT A PREFERRED UNIT MIX AND PREFERRED BEDROOM SIZES.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO ALIGN WITH COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND HOUSING NEEDS DATA ASSESSMENTS TO USE A DATA DRIVEN METRIC TIED TO TO THE AMOUNT OF GAP FUNDING FOR SPECIFIC BEDROOM SIZES AND AMI BANDS WITH OUR NOFA FUNDING.
WE ALSO ARE LOOKING TO HAVE AN EXCEPTION.
THIS EXCEPTION IS AROUND DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIPS FOR SPECIFIC PROJECT INITIATIVES SUCH AS CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, DARK DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, DALLAS ISD, AND OTHER PROJECTS IN THE TARGETED AREAS, AS WELL AS NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS THAT MAY NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING ABOVE THE CAPS, AS REFERENCED ABOVE.
NEXT, I'D LIKE TO TRANSITION TO THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM.
OF COURSE, MANY OF YOU KNOW THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM IS INCENTIVIZED.
IT'S USED TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT OF QUALITY, SUSTAINABLE HOUSING, AS WELL AS OTHER USES TO COMPLEMENT THE DHP 33 THROUGH VACANT, SURPLUS AND TAX FORECLOSED LAND OWNED BY THE CITY.
LAND CAN BE SOLD FOR TWO FOR PROFIT AND NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS AND OUR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS BELOW FAIR MARKET VALUE, RESULTING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS TO LOW TO MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES.
ALSO, OUR SURPLUS PROPERTY IS SOLD USING A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS AND DISCOUNTS TO SALES.
UNDER THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM.
THERE IS A FIVE YEAR DEED RESTRICTION.
TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY CAN BE NEGOTIATED ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS.
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IN THIS PROGRAM IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.UNDER THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM, WE HAVE VARIOUS TOOLS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE STATUTE AND WITH THE PUBLIC PURPOSE SUCH AS THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, DEED RESTRICTIONS, AS WELL AS THE RIGHT OF REVERTER WITH THE RIGHT OF REENTRY.
JUST TO REITERATE, DEED RESTRICTIONS LIMIT HOW THE LAND CAN BE USED.
THE RIGHT OF REENTRY HELPS US ENSURE CONSTRUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
OKAY, LET'S DELVE A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE SPECIFICS OF EACH MECHANISM.
DEED RESTRICTIONS, AS YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE, ARE IMPOSED ON ALL LAND TRANSFER PARCELS.
DEED RESTRICTIONS HELP CONTROL THE USE OF THE LAND BY REQUIRING THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED PER THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT, SUCH AS REQUIRING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS TO BE DEVELOPED FOR CERTAIN INCOME BANDS AND CERTAIN PRICE POINTS.
THE RIGHT OF REVERTER, OR RIGHT OF REENTRY, IS ANOTHER ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THAT IS SUPERIOR TO THE DEVELOPER'S LENDER'S LIEN, AND WILL REVERT TO THE CITY IF A REVERSIONARY EVENT IS TRIGGERED BY THE DEVELOPER.
AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THOSE EVENTS THAT WILL TRIGGER A REVERSION OF THE PROPERTY IF THE IF THE DEVELOPER FAILS TO TAKE POSSESSION WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER RECEIVING THE DEED.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WHAT? WE'LL BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM RELATING TO DEVELOPMENT DEALS ON BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS BEING DEVELOPED WITH LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM LOTS.
NUMEROUS DEVELOPERS AND LENDERS HAVE INDICATED TO US ON MANY OCCASIONS THAT THE RIGHT OF REVERTER DECREASES THEIR ABILITY TO GET CONSTRUCTION FINANCING, AND IN SOME CASES HAS CREATED A STALEMATE IN THE OVERALL DEAL.
AS A RESULT OF THIS ISSUE, WE HAVE PROPOSED A SOLUTION.
WHEN A DEVELOPER HAS RECEIVED CONSTRUCTION FINANCING IN AN AMOUNT GREATER THAN THE CITY'S FINANCING, WE WILL PROVIDE THE THIRD PARTY LENDER WITH A RIGHT TO CURE A DEVELOPER'S DEFAULT BEFORE THE CITY EXERCISES ITS RIGHT OF REVERTER.
IN ADDITION TO THIS PROPOSED SOLUTION, WE PLAN TO MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCATES DEVELOPERS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK AS WELL ON THESE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS. NEXT SLIDE.
IT'S A VISUAL DEPICTION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT OF REVERTER WITH THE LENDER'S OPTION SECURE.
WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF VISUALIZATION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CITY SELLS THE LAND.
DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, THE RIGHT OF REVERTER IS STILL ON THE PROPERTY.
NEXT, WE'LL JUMP OVER TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERSHIP DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
THIS PROGRAM IS A SINGLE FAMILY NOFA WHEREBY WE PROVIDE GAP FINANCING TO FOR PROFIT AND NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS, SUCH AS CHODOS, TO SPUR ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
THESE FUNDS ARE AWARDED THROUGH THE CITY'S NOFA.
LOAN TERMS ON THIS PROGRAM AND THEY ARE A REPAYABLE LOAN TO FOR PROFIT DEVELOPERS.
NO GRANTS OR AWARDED LOANS ARE USED FOR ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION FINANCING FOR A MAXIMUM TERM OF TWO YEARS, AND THE FOR PROFIT DEVELOPERS MUST REPAY ANY NET SALE PROCEEDS TO THE CITY.
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THE FUNDS THAT WE PROVIDE ARE SECURED BY A PROMISSORY NOTE, A MORTGAGE, AS WELL AS DEED RESTRICTIONS TIED TO THE AMI SET BY THE COUNCIL BEFORE THE CONVEYANCE TO THE DEVELOPER.CURRENT OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY NOFA INCLUDE.
AS WE'VE EXPRESSED EARLIER IN OUR PRESENTATION, THE ADMINISTRATION OF GAP FINANCING, AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO REQUIRE ONE APPLICATION PER DEVELOPER PER FISCAL YEAR TO CAP FUNDING PROVIDED TO DEVELOPMENTS AT A MAXIMUM OF 25% OR $5 MILLION, WHICHEVER IS LESS.
WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING, UNDER THIS SINGLE FAMILY NOFA PROGRAM, TO STREAMLINE REPAYMENT OPTIONS, TO ALSO REQUIRE THAT 50% OF THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET IS TARGETED OR ALLOCATED TO THE THREE EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREAS AS DEFINED IN THE DPE 33.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO PROVIDE A DATA DRIVEN FUNDING METRIC THAT WILL TIE OUR FUNDING TO TWO SPECIFIC BEDROOM SIZES AND TARGETED AMIS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AS WELL AS INCLUDE EXCEPTIONS FOR PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITY THROUGH DART CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY, DALLAS ISD, AND ALSO WITH NONPROFITS THAT MAY NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING ABOVE OUR CAPS.
WE WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMITTEE WITH A MEMO ON PROPOSED FEEDBACK, PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMITTEE FROM A COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FROM OUR DEVELOPER COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE THIS ITEM ON THE MAY 22ND COUNCIL AGENDA.
AND WE'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
THANK YOU. WE'LL START IN THE HORSESHOE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
BY COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. SURE.
SO I'M LOOKING IN PROPOSED SOLUTIONS UNDER EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREAS.
HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THAT 50%.
IT SAYS REQUIRE 50% OF EACH FISCAL YEAR HOUSING BUDGET TO BE ALLOCATED TO THE TARGET AREAS.
IT WAS A NUMBER THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED RANDOMLY WITH VARIOUS FOLKS, AND WE TOOK THAT NUMBER.
THERE WAS NO ART BEHIND IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
OKAY, WELL, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THE ART.
SO. AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT A MAP TO SEE.
I DON'T RECALL THE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR EQUITY TARGET AREAS.
HOWEVER, I SUSPECT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, GEOGRAPHICALLY DRIVEN.
AND SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT ARE WE CREATING I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO DEVELOP MORE JOBS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF THE CITY. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF WHILE WE SHOULD DEFINITELY PUT A FOCUS THERE, 50% SEEMS LIKE A HIGH PERCENTAGE.
AND MAYBE WE SHOULD STAIR STEP SOMETHING BECAUSE IF YOU'RE CREATING YOU KNOW, A LOT OF HOUSING WITHOUT HAVING THE PROXIMITY TO JOBS, WHICH COULD CREATE SOME TRANSPORTATION BURDENS, I'M JUST WANTING TO BE SURE WE'RE THINKING THIS THROUGH AND PUTTING ALL OF THESE PIECES TOGETHER WHEN WE ARRIVE AT A PERCENTAGE.
IT COULD MEET THAT THERE ARE MORE JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE KEEPING THE HOUSING DEMAND CLOSE TO WHERE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE JOBS ARE AND WHERE IT'S NOT CREATING A TRANSPORTATION BURDEN.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT THROUGH THAT LENS.
CERTAINLY. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW WE NEED HOUSING IN DALLAS.
AND SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT A PERCENTAGE.
AND IF WE'RE PUTTING IT, YOU KNOW, IN WRITING AND WE WANT TO START DIRECTING THAT MONEY IS THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF WORKING SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF WHERE WE SEE THE JOB CREATION COMING TO.
SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THAT WORKS.
MY OTHER QUESTION WAS JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE WE'RE FINE TUNING OUR POLICY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MODIFYING SOME THINGS THAT IF IT WAS YOUR FIRST GLANCE AT THIS, YOU MIGHT THINK, WOW, THIS SEEMS REALLY FAVORABLE TO SOME FOLKS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE BEING WE'RE WE'RE WATCHING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MARKETPLACE.
AND IF THINGS AREN'T MOVING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING TO TWEAK THIS AND MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN IN OTHER SECTORS BUT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN TO HELP ACHIEVE THESE GOALS.
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JUST KIND OF AT RISK? OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT MECHANISMS TO HELP US WITH THAT? I MEAN, I'VE SEEN ON SOME OF THE REPAYMENTS OF LOANS BASED ON SALES PROCEEDS, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD MECHANISM.JUST TELL ME WHERE YOU MIGHT STILL BE FEELING A LITTLE BIT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GOING TOO FAR? IS THIS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO GET SOME DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE? YEAH. SO LET ME TALK FIRST ABOUT THE REVERTER, BECAUSE THE REVERTER IS WHAT REALLY JUMPS OUT TO ME WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS MULTIPLE TIMES WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS WELL AS INTERNALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT COMPLETELY RELEASING THE REVERTER, FIGURING OUT A WAY TO STANDSTILL THE REVERTER TO ALLOW THE FINANCE THE LENDERS TO BE ABLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE REVERTER.
AND WE'VE COME TO WE BELIEVE IS A COMFORTABLE MID POINT WHICH IS STANDSTILL THE REVERTER TO KEEP IT ON THERE AND PROTECT OUR INVESTMENT AND THEN CONTINUE TO MOVE, BUT ALLOW THE THE LENDERS TO BE ABLE TO CURE WHAT THEY NEED TO CURE IN ORDER TO NOT LOSE THE PROPERTY WHEN THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTION MONEY IN THE DEAL.
AND SO WE'VE COME TO A MIDPOINT ON THAT.
OTHER THINGS THAT WE SEE IS TREATING NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS THE SAME.
EXCUSE ME. AND WORKING WITH BANKS THAT GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND HARD TO BUILD AREAS WHEN TYPICALLY SOME BANKS WOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A DIFFICULT AREA TO TO WORK IN AND THEY'RE STILL ABLE TO GET THAT FINANCING.
THEY'RE JUST NOT ABLE TO GET A LOT OF FINANCING, BUT THEY'RE WANTING TO GO IN THOSE AREAS TO BUILD.
AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE REASON FOR SOME OF THESE CHANGES THAT INCLUDE THEM.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT HAVING INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH OUR OUR PARTNERS THAT ARE NATURAL, SUCH AS DISD DE THE COUNTY, OTHER OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND ENTITIES, THE THOSE ILAS ARE CRITICAL TO US MOVING OUR MONEY FAST ENOUGH WHEN WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT.
RIGHT? WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THE SAME RESULT TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE SAME PURPOSE, NOT TO PROFIT FROM IT, NOT TO DO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OTHER PARTNERS WOULD DO, BUT REALLY STREAMLINING THAT PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN GET TO AN END RESULT FASTER.
WELL, PARTNERSHIP IS CRITICAL TO THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO ENOUGH OF THIS, BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THAT TIDE IS REALLY TURNING.
BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS A.
I MEAN, WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT ALL DAY LONG TO HELP THEM HELP US WITH OUR ISSUES.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY.
ONE, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT 50% BEING ALLOCATED IN THE NAME OF OF EQUITY THERE AND JUST CAUTION THAT AND JUST REALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR SOUTHERN DALLAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GONE TO ANY FORWARD DALLAS MEETING, IF YOU'VE GONE TO ANY DISTRICT SPECIFIC MEETING, ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE, 4 OR 1 THE MOST CONSISTENT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT COLOR YOU ARE, THE MOST CONSISTENT MESSAGE IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO THAT 50% IS EACH FISCAL YEAR IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A GOOD TARGET TO CONTINUE FOCUSING ON AND SEEING AND ENSURING THAT WE'RE MEETING THOSE NEEDS.
REGARDLESS, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A NEED THERE.
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WHAT IS THAT? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED SOME TIMELINES THERE, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF DETAILS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? YEAH, SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY REACH OUT TO THEM VIA ALL TYPES OF MEDIA.WE ALSO CAN HAVE VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH OUR DEVELOPER COMMUNITY.
I HAVE A LIST OF DEVELOPERS THAT THAT WE DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO WE DEFINITELY LIKE TO SHOW THEM THE OPTIONS, THE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED HERE TODAY AND TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON HOW THESE THINGS WILL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AFFECT THEM.
AND IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A GREAT CHANGE, IF IT'S A GREAT POLICY CHANGE.
SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING.
EXCELLENT. AND YOU'VE TALKED TO NOT TO JUST CALL ANYONE, BUT THE ONE I KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
YES, WE WE HAVE A LIST OF DEVELOPERS AND WE'RE ALL PART OF THE DEVELOPERS ROUNDTABLE, SO SO WE'LL DEFINITELY GET THIS OUT TO ALL OF DALLAS, ALL THE DEVELOPERS AND VARIOUS SECTORS OF THE OF THE CITY, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET FEEDBACK FROM EVERYONE.
EXCELLENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. WE'LL GO VIRTUAL NOW TO VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED PUTTING SOMETHING IN THAT SAYS 50% OF THE FUNDING WOULD GO TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THAT, BECAUSE THE MORE AND SO WHAT WE INITIALLY THINK ABOUT IS, THE MORE PARAMETERS WE PUT AROUND THE TYPES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE WANT TO TARGET, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT IS FOR US TO GET OUR PARTNERSHIPS AND GET OUR MONEY OUT THE DOOR.
AND THAT'S MOST CRITICAL IS GETTING THE MONEY OUT THE DOOR.
BUT THE MORE PARAMETERS WE PUT AROUND WHAT WE DO, IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOW WE GET IT.
AND IT IT WOULD BE ANOTHER PARAMETER AROUND HOW WE SPEND OUR FUNDING.
WELL, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ISN'T THE MONEY OUT THE DOOR.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS DEVELOPING QUALITY HOUSING, SAFE HOUSING AND LONG TIME STAKEHOLDERS AND RELEGATING EVERYBODY INTERESTED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO MULTIFAMILY SEEMS UNEQUITABLE.
AND SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT PUTS THAT KIND OF PARAMETER ON IT SO THAT WE'RE INCENTIVIZING THE ACTION WE'D LIKE TO SEE.
OUR CITY HAS ALREADY SHIFTED FROM, I BELIEVE WHEN I STARTED ON COUNCIL, IT WAS 45% MULTIFAMILY.
I THINK WE'RE AT LEAST AT 50% NOW, MY DISTRICT, 65% MULTIFAMILY.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S HEALTHY TO HAVE THAT HIGH OF A LEVEL.
IT'S ALSO THE NUMBER ONE LOCATION OF CRIME IN OUR CITY IS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
AND AGAIN, TO COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY'S POINT, WHAT WE HEAR OVER AND OVER, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, IS WE NEED MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE WOULD WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THE THING WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO HAVE HAPPEN.
I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
QUALITY IS NOT WHAT I MEANT TO DISREGARD AND GETTING MONEY OUT THE DOOR.
KEEP IN MIND SINGLE FAMILY AND WE HAVE INCENTIVES FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
OUR LAND BANK LAND TRANSFER IS OUR BIGGEST INCENTIVE FOR LAND FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AND YES, WE DO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE WANT SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS ALONG WITH MULTIFAMILY.
BUT TO MAKE IT A CRITERIA IS A LITTLE MORE.
DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH THAN IT IS TO ALLOW IT TO FLOW IN AND AND AND DO WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING.
BUT AGAIN, WE WILL KEEP IN MIND SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ALL THE TIME.
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IT IS ONE OF OUR IT IS ONE OF OUR CRITERIAS IN OUR POLICY AS WELL AS OUR CATALOG TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP.SO WE CERTAINLY INVITE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WHEN WE CAN GET IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA FOR US THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SPENT ON SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MULTIFAMILY? WE DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
AND I CAN GET YOU THAT FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE INTERNALLY IN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY SHOW YOU HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT ON SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MULTIFAMILY.
OKAY. AND WE CAN AND ALSO, I'M SORRY, WE HAVE SOME OF THAT DATA IN OUR QUARTERLY PERFORMANCE PLAN.
I MEAN PERFORMANCE MEASURES THE REPORT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT PERCENTAGE IN THERE, EVEN IF IT CONSTRAINS IN SOME WAYS WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WANT IT TO CONSTRAIN WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I WANT IT TO SHIFT YOU TO SINGLE FAMILY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE MINDSET RIGHT NOW.
YOU STARTED THE PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS.
AND HERE YOU ARE COMING BACK WITH MORE.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT ANY KIND OF MORATORIUM OF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK TO US FOR SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS WITH MORE POLICY CHANGES AND INSTEAD JUST REALLY FOCUS ON THAT PRODUCTION ELEMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN.
AND YES, WE BROUGHT THIS POLICY.
WE BROUGHT THIS DEVELOPMENT POLICY CHANGE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO IN THE HHS.
AND WE MADE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES IN THIS, IN THIS PLAN TO CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT TERMS AND PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO COME BACK OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH ADDITIONAL CHANGES.
THESE ARE CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE FROM MONTHS AGO, BUT WE DIDN'T GET TO IT FOR VARIOUS REASONS, AND WE WANTED TO GIVE TIME FOR EVERYONE TO TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE CHANGES ARE THAT WE'RE MAKING.
SO WE DON'T PLAN TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT CHANGES AFTER THIS.
AT LEAST NOT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT THE THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE REQUESTED IN PRIOR MONTHS AND THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING ARE PROPOSING TODAY THE CHANGES ALL RELATE TO WAYS THAT WE CAN BETTER ASSIST OUR CUSTOMERS, OUR DEVELOPERS, TO HELP OUR HOME BUYERS, THOSE RENTERS.
AND SO WE, WE HAVE OUR EARS ATTUNED TO THE MARKETPLACE AND TO WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND REAL ESTATE.
AND SO THIS IS A RESPONSE THAT WE ARE DOING IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE'RE HEARING ON THE GROUND FROM OUR DEVELOPERS, AND ALSO WITH OUR HOME BUYERS AND RENTERS THAT THAT ARE AFFECTED BY SOME OF OUR POLICIES.
BUT WE'VE MADE A LOT OF HOUSING POLICY CHANGES.
AND I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A AN AGENDA ITEM THAT'S VERY, VERY FREQUENT.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE SO FOCUSED ON.
ON CHANGING POLICY, WHICH IS ALWAYS A GIVEAWAY TO THE DEVELOPERS THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING THE WORK DONE.
I'M VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THE FORGIVABLE LOAN COMPARED TO THE REPAYABLE.
I DO SUPPORT CHANGING THE NOFA SO THAT OKKOTO CAN ONLY APPLY ONCE IN A.
AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S A CALENDAR YEAR.
BUT BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY IF YOU HAVE A PRODUCTIVE CHOTTO, WHY WOULDN'T YOU ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE PRODUCING MORE? WE DO THE WE WE DO THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS COME BACK TO US FOR THE, THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, BUT WE DO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO MORE.
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DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO? SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON WE HAVE THE SHUTTLES THAT ARE SPECIALIZING IN SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.WE HAVE SHUTTLES THAT ARE SPECIALIZING IN MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WITH ANY POLICY THAT THAT CAN CAN BE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE.
IF WE NEED TO CARVE OUT ALLOWING SHUTTLES TO HAVE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS IF THEY ARE PRODUCTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL, THAT COULD BE AN EXCEPTION. IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, THE COMMITTEE, WE CAN CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT IN OUR PROPOSED CHANGES.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO STREAMLINE TERM'S? BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IN OUR IN OUR CURRENT POLICY IN THE DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPAYMENT OPTIONS, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS IN THERE.
THERE'S THERE'S REPAYMENT OVER 300 MONTHS.
THERE'S BALLOON PAYMENTS, THERE'S CASH SURPLUS PAYMENTS.
SO WE MAINLY SEE THE THE MOST COMMON REPAYMENT OPTION THAT IS UTILIZED THROUGH ALL OUR DEVELOPMENTS IS THE CASH SURPLUS PAYMENT. SO IN THIS REVISION OR THIS PROPOSED POLICY CHANGE, WE ARE JUST SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO STREAMLINE THOSE REPAYMENT OPTIONS AND ONLY HAVE ONE VERSUS HAVING MULTIPLE.
SINCE WE'VE ONLY USED THE COMMON WHICH IS THIS CASH SURPLUS.
OKAY. IN IN THE INSTANCES WHERE YOU WANT TO GIVE AWAY LAND FOR LESS THAN FAIR MARKET VALUE, ARE YOU GOING TO REQUIRE THAT 100% OF THE UNITS BE AFFORDABLE? UNDER THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM, AFFORDABLE MEANS UP TO 120% AMI AND THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WE ARE YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON YEAH.
IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY, WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING CONVERSATIONS ON FEE STUDIES TO LOOK AT THE SALES PRICE OF THOSE LOTS, BECAUSE WE WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE IS WHAT THE MARKET BEARS.
BUT YES, AFFORDABILITY AND IN THE LAND TRANSFER PROGRAM IS UP TO 120% OF AMI.
VICE CHAIR. WE WANT TO START WRAPPING UP.
IF NOT, WE'LL GO INTO ROUND TWO SO I CAN LET CHAIRMAN WEST CHIME IN.
YOU BET. I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, SO I THINK I'D PROBABLY DO IT BETTER IN A SECOND ROUND.
THANKS, CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO THE COMMITTEE AND AND THE UPDATE FROM STAFF.
AND I'M HEARING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF IT REGARDING THE NEED FOR AND THE INTEREST IN MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I'M DEFINITELY HEARING IT IN IN DISTRICT ONE, JUST LIKE MISTER GRACIE IS.
I'M ALSO HEARING A DEMAND FOR A DIFFERENT OTHER MIX OF UNITS SMALLER UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR MILLENNIALS TRYING TO MOVE INTO THE DISTRICT AND A VARIETY OF OTHER TYPES OF UNITS.
AND I'M WONDERING WHEN STAFF'S GOING TO COME UP WITH DATA THAT GIVES US MILESTONES TO WORK TOWARDS.
I'VE ASKED FOR THIS IN THE PAST.
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE NEED MORE OF THIS.
OUR CONSTITUENTS WANT THIS, OUR CONSTITUENTS WANT THAT.
I'M SAYING THAT TO YOU AS WELL.
WHEN CAN WE GET THAT FROM YOU? THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED 20,000 MORE UNITS OF X, WE NEED 10,000 MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE CITY.
AT THIS PRICE POINT, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT TO GET THAT FROM STAFF? SO, COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE HAVE HAD VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH VARIOUS CONSULTANTS ABOUT TRYING TO WORK WITH US TO GET DATA LIKE THAT AS YOU CAN, AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD TOO, THAT IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN THAT KIND OF DATA BECAUSE OUR MARKET CONSTANTLY CHANGES, IT CONTINUOUSLY HAS AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE AND OUTFLOW OF PEOPLE, AND THOSE CHANGES ARE CONSTANT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR FROM OUR CONSULTANTS.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PARTNER TO HELP US GET SOME KIND OF REPORT THAT CAN GIVE US DATA THAT WE CAN WORK WITH. BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE IT CONSTANTLY CHANGES, IT'S A SNAPSHOT IN TIME, AND THAT DATA WOULD CONSTANTLY HAVE TO BE UPDATED.
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SO NOT TRYING TO GIVE ANY EXCUSES, JUST TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO TRY TO GET SOME KIND OF DATA LIKE THAT, AND WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME TRYING TO FIND A PARTNER THAT CAN HELP US DO THAT, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO LOOK FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET A REPORT THAT WAY.WELL, I KNOW THAT INVEST ATLANTA CAME UP WITH GOALS AS A CITY.
I KNOW PEOPLE HERE IN DALLAS HAS COME UP WITH PROJECTED NEEDS.
AND RIGHT HERE IN DALLAS AND IN OTHER CITIES.
AND FOR ME, YOU KNOW, APPROVING THESE, THESE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE DIFFERENT HOME PROGRAMS IS FINE, BUT I'M A I'M GOING TO SUPPORT APPROVING IT, NOT KNOWING HOW THIS IS GOING TO FURTHER ANY HOUSING GOALS.
AND THAT'S MY I MEAN, I KEEP BRINGING THIS UP.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE PERFECT NUMBER.
BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A GENERAL BALLPARK GOAL WE'RE TRYING TO REACH.
AND WHEN YOU COME TO US AND TELL US WE WANT YOU TO MAKE THESE CHANGES IN THE PROGRAM MAKE THE LOANS NON OR REFUNDABLE INSTEAD OF NONREFUNDABLE BECAUSE IT WILL HELP MEET THIS GOAL AND HELP THESE CHURROS BUILD MORE.
IT'S EASIER TO SUPPORT THAT THAN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO BACK YOU UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO OTHER THAN JUST KEEP ASKING.
BUT THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, I GUESS.
SO CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT QUESTION THAT JUST CAME UP ON THE FORGIVABLE LOANS VERSUS NON FORGIVABLE? DIDN'T THE OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS TELL US THAT THEY LITERALLY COULD NOT DO THE PROGRAM? THEY COULDN'T PROVIDE US ANY ADDITIONAL HOMES IF THE PROGRAM STAYED AS A NON FORGIVABLE LOAN.
SO FOR ALL OF OUR NONPROFIT CHURROS THAT ARE OPERATING IN THE CITY, WE WE RECATEGORIZE THOSE LOANS FROM REPAYABLE TO A FORGIVABLE LOAN TO ENSURE THOSE NONPROFIT CHURROS ARE VIABLE AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, WHICH IS A GREAT NEED IN OUR CITY.
THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THAT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
ALSO, WE WANTED TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES BECAUSE THOSE CHURROS ARE CERTIFIED CHURROS, WHICH MEANS THEY THEY ARE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE HOME FUNDS.
THE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM WASHINGTON, DC AS A REQUIREMENT.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE TOTALS, IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO YOU KNOW, SPUR ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN THE CITY IS ON THE HOOK FOR THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE FOR. SO THAT'S WHY WE CAME TO COUNCIL, AND WE MADE THAT SUGGESTION TO MAKE THOSE LOANS A FORGIVABLE FOR NONPROFIT SHUTTLE DEVELOPERS UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY NOFA.
AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT POINT UP BECAUSE ON ONE HAND, WE HAVE OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS ASKING FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH TOOLS TO PROVIDE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AFFORDABLE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM FORGIVABLE LOANS.
WELL, WHAT'S THE SOLUTION THEN? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT FROM MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND I'LL END ON A POSITIVE NOTE.
I AM GLAD I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. WILLIS WAS SAYING. LIKE, IF YOU ARE WATCHING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT MIGHT JUST SEEM LIKE A ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GIVING A LOT OUT TO THESE, THESE BUILDERS.
BUT IN REALITY THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
AND SO WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THAT.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORWARD TODAY AND AND BRINGING THESE CHANGES TO US.
CYNTHIA, AND THE INTEREST OF TIME, CAN YOU PLEASE LET US KNOW? JUST GO OVER THE NEXT STEPS AND AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE FROM TODAY'S COMMITTEE MEETING.
COUNCILMAN. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET SUPPORT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THESE CHANGES IN OUR PROGRAM STATEMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROGRAM STATEMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE NEED TO BRING TO COUNCIL IN MAY.
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OKAY. WELL I'LL JUST.I THINK WHAT I, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME FEEDBACK.
WE'LL STILL GO TO A SECOND ROUND.
BUT BEFORE THAT, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO TO THE COMMITTEE AND WORKING WITH OUR DEVELOPERS AND WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS TO TRY TO ADVANCE THIS.
WE CHALLENGE YOU ON BRINGING MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO GO AFTER THAT, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A A BENCHMARK ON WHERE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AS FAR AS SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
I WANT TO SEE MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS WELL.
I KNOW THAT IT MIGHT BE MORE WORK.
BUT I WANT TO ALSO CHALLENGE US TO NOT NECESSARILY GO FOR WHAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG CHUNK AT A TIME, BUT MAYBE TAKING SMALLER BITES, EVEN IF IT MEANS WORKING WITH MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS IN ORDER TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT DATA OF HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS WE ACTUALLY NEED.
AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO A SECOND ROUND WITH VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
CYNTHIA, CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE EXECUTED A RIGHT OF REVERTER? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT OFF THE RIGHT OF RIVERS.
ARE ON EVERY LAND BANK AND LAND TRANSFER LOT THAT WE CONTRACT OR THAT WE CONVEY.
HAVE WE HAD TO PURSUE THAT? I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT SEVERAL TIMES.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT FIGURE, BUT IT IS A STANDARD PROCESS AND THE LAND TRANSFER LAND BANK PROGRAMS, AND WE DO HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE ITEMS THAT ARE WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH OUR LEGAL TEAM FOR REVIEW, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE ISSUED RIGHT OF REVERTER FOR PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NOT MET THE REQUIREMENTS. AND WE CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER.
WE NOW HAVE A NEW DATABASE WHERE WE'VE LOADED ALL OF OUR LOTS FOR LAND BANK LAND TRANSFER, AND WE CAN GET YOU THE NUMBER OF THE LOTS THAT WE NEED TO EXERCISE THAT RIGHT ON.
OKAY. SO THAT'S THE SECOND THING YOU'RE GOING TO GET FOR US, RIGHT? YES. THE DOLLARS FOR SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MULTIFAMILY.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE I HAVE FOR YOU IS HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THESE ITEMS ARE THE PROBLEMS AND SOLUTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED TO INCREASE PRODUCTION AS OPPOSED TO INTEREST RATES, OR JUST DIFFICULTY WORKING WITH THE CITY? I'LL TAKE THAT.
I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S ALL OF THAT.
IT'S ALL OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED.
IT'S IT'S THE CURRENT MARKET, IT'S INTEREST RATES, IT'S BUREAUCRACY.
IT'S WORKING AND NAVIGATING THE CITY'S PROCESSES.
IT'S IT'S IT'S THE CAPACITY OF DEVELOPERS THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND A LOT OF WHAT WE REQUIRE FOR, FOR OUR FUNDING PROGRAMS. SO IT'S A MYRIAD OF THINGS.
AND LET ME ALSO ADD THAT FOR MANY OF THOSE THINGS THE CITY CANNOT CONTROL, HOUSING DEPARTMENT CAN'T CONTROL, WE CAN'T CONTROL FOR WHAT ALL OF THOSE INTEREST RATE HIKES ARE GOING TO BE, AND THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS WITH BANKS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
AND AGAIN, THE MORE BARRIERS WE PUT AROUND THINGS, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT IS FOR US TO MOVE OUR DEVELOPMENTS AS THOUGH THEY WOULD IN THE MARKET AND HELP OUR DEVELOPERS BE BETTER PARTNERS WITH US AND US BE BETTER PARTNERS WITH THEM.
THESE ARE THE INTERNAL PROCESSES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE.
I WOULDN'T LOOK AT THESE AS GIVEAWAYS.
I'D LOOK AT THESE AS IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR PROCESS.
WELL THEIR FINANCIAL GIVEAWAYS.
I'M SORRY THEY'RE NOT A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT.
TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THESE CHANGES WHEN YOU CHANGE SOMETHING FROM FORGIVABLE TO REPAYABLE TO FORGIVABLE, THAT'S NOT AN INTERNAL PROCESS CHANGE.
THAT'S THAT YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED YOUR PROCESS.
YOU HAVE GIVEN SOMETHING TO A DEVELOPER.
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THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THE.THE POINT IS NOT THAT WE NEED MORE DATA.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE HEADED.
HOW MANY UNITS ARE YOU COMMITTING TO GET BUILT IN THE NEXT YEAR? IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS? LIKE WHAT ARE YOU WORKING TOWARDS AS OPPOSED TO MORE DATA? I MEAN, CPAL IS A GREAT ORGANIZATION AND I REALLY APPRECIATE SO MANY OF THE REPORTS THEY DO.
THE UNFORTUNATE ONE IS THE ONE THEY DID ABOUT THIS HOUSING WHERE UNFORTUNATELY THEY PUT BRACKETS.
AROUND DATA SAYING UNITS THAT ARE OLDER THAN 1990 WERE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED.
SO I'M NOT LOOKING FOR MORE DATA.
I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF DATA THAT WE'VE SEEN.
I'M LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE FOR.
WHAT WILL THESE CHANGES YIELD FROM WHAT WE'RE GETTING TODAY TO WHAT WE COULD GET? THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN.
SO IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION THAT HOUSING WILL DO.
IT'S ON THE DPI 33 AND OUR SMART GOALS, AS WELL AS TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ACTION PLAN THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE, NOT ONLY TO ADDRESS WHAT'S IN OUR TARGET AREAS AND PROVIDE GOALS THAT WE FIND OUT WE REALLY NEED TO MEET IN THOSE TARGET AREAS, BUT ALSO TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT CITYWIDE WHAT THOSE GOALS LOOK LIKE.
BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING YOU.
AND I GUESS THIS FEEDS INTO THAT.
SPECIFIC TO THESE CHANGES, THOUGH, IF WE GO FROM REPAYABLE TO FORGIVABLE, WHAT DOES THAT GIVE US IF WE GO FROM LIMITING OKKOTO TO ONCE A YEAR, WHAT WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THAT IF IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, STREAMLINING TERM'S.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT MAKING ANY CHANGE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PICKING ALL THE SAME OPTION ANYHOW.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S JUST STRIKING SOME WORDS IN A POLICY.
IF YOU MAKE A CHANGE IN THE RIGHT OF REVERTER, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU? LIKE, WHY WOULD WE MAKE THESE CHANGES? WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THESE CHANGES ON YOUR PRODUCTION? AND AGAIN, WE CAN SHOW YOU THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR SMART GOALS AND OUR ACTION PLAN AND WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE PARTICULAR CHANGES WE'VE GONE THROUGH, HOW IT STREAMLINES OUR PROCESS, HOW MOVING THINGS FROM A REPAYABLE LOAN TO A FORGIVABLE LOAN IS A MARKET CHANGE.
THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MOVE THOSE UNITS AND GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE MARKET.
OTHERWISE THE DEVELOPERS WON'T USE US.
THEY WON'T COME TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE MARKET WON'T ALLOW THEM TO USE.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL BE GLAD TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GO THROUGH THEM AGAIN.
AND THE MORE WE CAN RELIEVE SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT WE SET ON HOW FOLKS CAN ACCESS OUR SUBSIDIES AND OUR PROGRAMS, THE BETTER OFF WE ARE WITH OUR PARTNERS AND MOVING OUR PRODUCTION IN A LINE THAT RUNS WITH THE MARKET.
SO MY LAST QUESTION IS HOW MANY OF THE POSITIONS IN YOUR DEPARTMENT ARE FILLED AND HOW MANY ARE OPEN? WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
SO THE MAJORITY OF OUR POSITIONS ARE FILLED.
WE CURRENTLY ARE DOING INTERVIEWS FOR THE LAST POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE.
I WANT TO SAY I THINK IT'S ABOUT 15 POSITIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON FILLING NOW.
MIX OF COORDINATORS AND PROJECT MANAGERS MAY NOT BE QUITE THAT HIGH, BUT I THINK IT'S ABOUT 15.
AND HOW MANY STAFF DO YOU HAVE FOR YOUR WHOLE DEPARTMENT? 60. 60.
I'LL GO WITH TWO OPTIONS HERE.
MAYBE CAME BACK WITH US WITH A MEMO TO PROCEED.
I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED.
IS THERE A SECOND? HEARING NONE.
OKAY. WE WILL THEN, STAFF, IF YOU CAN JUST WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE AND THEN JUST REPORT BACK.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO BACK ON SCHEDULE AND GO TO BRIEFING ITEM B.
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OKAY. HI. CAN YOU SEE ME? OKAY, THERE WE GO.FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT MET YET, I'M YOUR DALLAS.
SORRY. PULL THE MIC UP CLOSER TO YOU.
YOU CAN MOVE IT. YOU CAN PULL IT PHYSICALLY.
THANK YOU. THAT BETTER? OKAY, GREAT.
HI, I'M RACHEL WILSON. I'M YOUR DALLAS TEAM LEAD FOR THE OLMSTEAD INITIATIVE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING QUITE YET.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVITING ME HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL TODAY.
SO HERE'S JUST QUICKLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO COVER TODAY.
A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM COMPONENTS, MISSION GOALS OF ALL INSIDE.
THEN WE'LL MOVE TO PROGRESS, SUCCESSES, GOALS MOVING FORWARD AND THEN WAYS TO MAXIMIZE IMPACT.
OKAY. YOU CAN GO ONE SLIDE FURTHER.
THANK YOU. SO WHAT IS ONSIDE? IT'S AN INITIATIVE THROUGH THE WHITE HOUSE DOMESTIC POLICY COUNCIL AND THE UNITED STATES INTERAGENCY COUNCIL ON HOMELESSNESS.
IT'S A FIRST OF ITS KIND INITIATIVE.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER ENGAGED ON HOMELESSNESS IN THIS WAY BEFORE.
SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO ACCELERATE WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING ON A LOCAL LEVEL.
WE KNOW THAT HOMELESSNESS LOOKS DIFFERENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
WE WANT TO TAILOR OUR RESPONSE TO SPECIFICALLY WHAT DALLAS NEEDS.
THIS IS A KEY PART OF THE PROGRAM.
AND ALL OF THIS IS WITH THE GOAL OF REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS.
SO A LOFTY GOAL, BUT ONE THAT I THINK WE CAN MAKE PROGRESS TOWARDS.
WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE 19 FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT HAVE SIGNED ON TO THIS EFFORT.
WE'VE ACCESSED A SUBJECT MATTER, EXPERTS FROM ALL OF THESE AGENCIES, AND A COMMITMENT TO EACH OF THEM TO HOLD EACH OTHER AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVERALL RESPONSIBLE FOR HELPING TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS.
AND HERE, THERE YOU GO. THERE.
THE 19 AGENCIES THAT HAVE ALL SIGNED ON.
THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE OF THE BREADTH OF POLICY AREAS WE HAVE TO ACCESS AND RESOURCES.
YOU ALL HAVE MUCH CLOSER ACCESS TO AS AN ONSITE COMMUNITY.
SO THERE ARE SEVEN LOCATIONS SELECTED FOR ALL INSIDE DALLAS, OF COURSE, DENVER, LOS ANGELES, PHOENIX, CHICAGO, SEATTLE AND THEN THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WAS SELECTED AS A SITE. EACH COMMUNITY RECEIVES A FEDERAL TEAM LEAD, LIKE MYSELF TO COORDINATE EFFORTS ON A LOCAL LEVEL.
WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM HHS, VA, HUD, AND FEMA CURRENTLY WORKING AS FTLS.
MY HOME AGENCY IS HUD, SO I BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BACKGROUND TO THIS WORK.
BUT AS YOU SAW, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO FEDERAL AGENCIES BEYOND HUD.
WE KNOW WHEN WE HAVE EVIDENCE BASED INTERVENTIONS TO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT HOMELESSNESS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S SIMPLY EASIER TO TACKLE WHEN WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER IN PLACES WHERE WE SEE HOMELESSNESS DECREASING, WE ALSO SEE THE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM WORKING IN TANDEM.
ALL INSIDE SEEKS TO TAKE THIS A STEP FURTHER.
WE WANT TO GET THE ENTIRE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM FROM A SERVICE PROVIDER IN DALLAS, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DOMESTIC POLICY COUNCIL, THE WHITE HOUSE, WORKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION, WORKING TOGETHER.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A BIG PART OF WHY DALLAS WAS SELECTED FOR AN ONSITE COMMUNITY.
AS YOU ALL KNOW A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE IN 2019, YOUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM REALLY TOOK ON THIS COLLECTIVE IMPACT MODEL AS THE WAY THAT WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT REALLY PAY DIVIDENDS.
WE'VE SEEN THE PIT COUNT DECREASING ACROSS DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTIES.
WELL, THERE YOU GO. A TRULY MASSIVE INCREASE IN HUD FUNDING.
SINCE 2019, WE'VE SEEN A 59% INCREASE IN FUNDING THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO $10 MILLION.
AND THIS IS REALLY PROOF OF THIS A COLLECTIVE IMPACT APPROACH.
EACH YEAR, HOUSING FORWARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY FOR A CONTINUUM OF CARE, IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A NOFA THAT NOFA THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING WELL TOGETHER, THEIR PROGRAMS ARE EFFECTIVE, AND THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE WIDER COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO IT'S REALLY EVIDENCE THAT THIS COLLECTIVE IMPACT APPROACH IS BEING TAKEN AND IS EFFECTIVE.
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NEXT SLIDE.SO AGAIN, BACK TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROGRAM.
WE HAVE AN MOU THAT WAS SIGNED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS ENGAGEMENT IN DALLAS.
IT OUTLINES THE GENERAL ROLES AND CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE CITY, THE COC, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
I'M ALSO EMBEDDED 50% OF THE TIME WITH CEO HOUSING.
OH, SORRY. WITH HOUSING FORWARD WORKING WITH CEO SARAH KHAN.
SO IT GIVES ME KIND OF A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE SYSTEM.
AND HERE ARE THE GOALS. THE MOU.
THEY ARE TO EXPAND AND IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROCESS.
SO MOVING PEOPLE OFF THE STREET MORE QUICKLY AND MORE EFFECTIVELY.
ALIGNING HOUSING AND HEALTH CARE RESOURCES TO STRENGTHEN OVERALL SYSTEM COORDINATION.
YOUTH SYSTEM PLANNING TO COORDINATE AND FOCUS INVESTMENTS, TO EXPAND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OPTIONS, AND TO MAXIMIZE AVAILABLE RESOURCES FROM FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL SOURCES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
OKAY. SO THE MEAT OF WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, WHAT HAVE WE ACTUALLY DONE SO FAR.
NEXT SLIDE. SO ONE OF OUR EARLY SUCCESSES, AND I THINK ONE OF OUR GREATEST SUCCESSES, WAS TO ESTABLISH WHAT WE CALL A HOMELESS PREFERENCE AT DALLAS COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY OR DALLAS COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
IT'S THE FEDERAL BEST PRACTICE, AND THAT'S FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
FIRST, IT HELPS COORDINATE RESOURCES.
SO IN SITUATIONS LIKE WHEN THE CITY HAS PURCHASED A PROPERTY THAT WE NEED TO ATTACH VOUCHERS TO, IT HELPS THE SYSTEM KNOW, OKAY, WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF VOUCHERS COMING UP IN THE NEXT YEAR. IT ALLOWS THAT PLANNING PROCESS TO MOVE A LOT MORE SMOOTHLY.
IT ALSO HELPS MAXIMIZE THE RESOURCE OF A VOUCHER.
SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S HOMELESS TO MAXIMIZE A VOUCHER BY THEMSELVES, BY REFERRING THROUGH COORDINATED ACCESS FOR THIS HOMELESS PREFERENCE, AN INDIVIDUAL SEEKING A VOUCHER WHO'S HOMELESS WILL HAVE THE SUPPORT OF A CASE MANAGER, A HOUSING NAVIGATOR, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL AND THE ONLY GETTING A VOUCHER, BUT IN STAYING STABLY HOUSED.
SO THIS WAS A HUGE A HUGE WIN EARLY ON IN DALLAS COUNTY.
HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL PARTNER IN THIS WORK SO FAR.
WE ALSO, AS I SAID ON SIDE, SEEKS TO PRODUCE REGULATORY RELIEF FOR DALLAS.
SO WE KNOW THAT ACCESSING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES IS ESSENTIAL FOR MANY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.
AND THAT WAIVER ACTUALLY WAS APPROVED ABOUT 30 MINUTES AGO.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT CRITICAL DOCUMENTATION COLLECTION IS A HUGE BARRIER FOR MANY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.
SO BASED ON THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS COMMITTEE AND THE WORK OF YOUR CITY DEPARTMENTS, WE ALL GOT TOGETHER WITH MYSELF, THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE COC AND CORPORATION FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING TO WORK ON DEVELOPING THE 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE NOFA.
THIS COLLABORATIVE PROCESS ENSURED THAT WE WILL HAVE VOUCHERS AND SERVICES FUNDING ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY, OR AT LEAST PLANNED, AND WE'RE FURTHER IMPROVING THIS COLLABORATIVE PROJECT PROCESS FOR TOWNHOME AND FOR OTHER PROPERTIES THAT COME UP IN THE FUTURE.
AND ACCESS INCREDIBLE CRITICAL DOCUMENTATION IS A HUGE BARRIER AS WE KNOW.
SO THAT'S BEEN A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WE'VE ALSO ENROLLED HOUSING FORWARD IN A SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION PILOT PROGRAM TO ALLOW VIRTUAL APPOINTMENTS FOR SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS AND BENEFITS, AGAIN, TO CRITICAL DOCUMENTATION. IT'S A BIG PROBLEM FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HOMELESS.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'VE DONE.
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NOW MOVING ON TO THINGS WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON AND THINGS WE HOPE TO ACHIEVE OVER THE COURSE OF THIS INITIATIVE.YOUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM ALREADY WORKS GREAT WITH THE VA.
THIS PART OF THE INITIATIVE IS JUST TO FURTHER IMPROVE THAT PROCESS EVEN MORE.
WE ALSO WANT TO CONTINUE INTEGRATING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH INTO SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
THIS INITIATIVE IS CURRENTLY BEING STOOD UP BY HOUSING FORWARD AND THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION.
WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ASSISTING AND REMOVING FEDERAL REGULATORY BARRIERS AS THEY ARISE.
LIKE I MENTIONED, WE'VE DONE THIS SO FAR.
THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE A FOCUS AS WE MOVE THROUGH ALL INSIDE AND THEN A LONGER TERM GOAL.
WE ULTIMATELY WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF UNITS AVAILABLE TO THE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM.
WE KNOW THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO MOVE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET QUICKLY.
AND THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE A FOCUS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO AS THESE THINGS COME UP FOR YOU AND YOUR STAFF, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
AND I'D LOVE TO GET SOME THINGS MOVING ON THAT ANY ADDITIONAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH FEDERAL AGENCIES.
YOU CAN GO BACK AND REFERENCE THAT SLIDE.
AND THEN ANY INFORMATION ABOUT BEST PRACTICES AND INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
IF YOU HEAR OF A PILOT PROGRAM IN ATLANTA OR SAINT LOUIS THAT YOU FIND INTERESTING, I'M VERY WELL POSITIONED TO HELP TRACK DOWN SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND HELP MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
NEXT SLIDE. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IT.
YES. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING ME AND FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS, THIS ISSUE.
THANKS FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND FOR MAKING YOURSELF AVAILABLE TO ME AND HOPEFULLY TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ON OUR ONE ON ONES, JUST GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AND GETTING ABLE TO GET TO KNOW YOU.
SO FOR THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT Y'ALL HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY PLEASE REACH OUT.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU'LL MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
WITH THAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
WE'LL START ON THE VIRTUAL WORLD WITH CHAIRMAN WEST.
CHAIRMAN WEST, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, HEY. YEAH. THANK YOU.
I WAS I LOST YOU FOR A SECOND.
I GUESS JUST A COUPLE GENERAL QUESTIONS.
RACHEL. FIRST OF ALL, VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOU WORKING WITH OUR TEAM IN DALLAS.
HOW DO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES VIEW THE PATH TO JUST GENERALLY THAT DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTIES HAVE TAKEN IN THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE? LIKE, HOW ARE WE SEEING NATIONALLY? SO DALLAS IS SEEN AS A SYSTEM THAT'S WORKING VERY WELL.
YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN SHARED YET, BUT YOU'RE ONE OF ONLY 27 COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES WHERE HOMELESSNESS IS DECREASING. YOU'RE BUCKING NATIONAL TRENDS, AND I'M REALLY HERE BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS WORKING VERY, VERY WELL TOGETHER.
SO IT'S ALL POSITIVE FROM THE FEDERAL PERSPECTIVE.
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OKAY, ALONG THOSE LINES, WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE MOST IMPORTANT INITIATIVES THE CITY OF DALLAS CAN UNDERTAKE RIGHT NOW TO REDUCE THE UNSHELTERED POPULATION? WHAT'S LIKE OUR LOWEST HANGING FRUIT? SO I THINK ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT I WOULD HAVE COMMUNICATE TO YOU IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN DALLAS IS TO CONTINUE STAYING THE COURSE.I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW WITH THE RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF COVID FUNDING THERE THAT WE'RE KIND OF SEEING HIT A CLIFF RIGHT NOW.
I THINK CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN THE SYSTEM, INVESTMENT IN THE HOUSING OPTIONS WE KNOW ARE WORKING.
LIKE I SAID, RAPID REHOUSING YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE 16 OUTREACH WORKERS IS ESSENTIAL.
THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF INVESTMENTS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A GREAT IMPACT.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT CITY IN TEXAS HAS THE MOST HOMELESS? I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW. I FOCUS ON DALLAS, SO I ONLY INTERACT WITH OTHER CITIES INSOFAR AS IT INFORMS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN DALLAS.
OKAY, I THINK THE ANSWER IS DALLAS.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WHAT YOUR APPROACH IS TO THE ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING? SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT MY APPROACH.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOUR COCK.
WHAT? YOU GUYS ARE ALL SUPPORT AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? OF COURSE. SO WHEN I MENTIONED THE PILOT PROGRAM WITH SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION, THE PARTNERSHIP WITH STATE DBS, THE WAIVER REQUESTS WE'VE SUBMITTED TO MAKE IT EASIER TO ACCESS A VOUCHER, THESE ARE ALL CRITICAL COMPONENTS OF HOW YOU IMPROVE AND ENHANCE AND QUICKEN THE ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROCESS.
I'M SURE. SARAH KHAN OVER HOUSING FORWARD HAS DESCRIBED THE INTEGRATION WITH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH THAT WILL BE COMING TO YOUR ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROCESS THAT WILL HELP SPEED THINGS UP, MAKE THINGS MUCH BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE ENCAMPMENTS, AND HELP PEOPLE STAY HOUSED ONCE THEY ARE HOUSED.
DO YOU THINK THAT WE HAVE A SATISFACTORY TIMELINE FOR ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING? YOU KNOW, I THINK SATISFACTORY.
THAT'S A DIFFICULT WORD TO USE.
THIS IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT WORK.
IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE WORK.
SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS IS SATISFACTORY, BUT I THINK THE SYSTEM YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT HERE IN DALLAS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE REALLY SEEN BY THE NATION AS A MODEL.
WELL, I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT BEING A MODEL AND MORE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING EFFECTIVE.
AND WE'VE DECOMMISSIONED LESS THAN 20 ENCAMPMENTS AND WE HAVE MORE THAN 400 OF THEM.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S BEEN VERY EFFICIENT.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN INDEED HELP US IMPROVE THAT EFFICIENCY AND SPEED.
YOU DID MENTION BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
WHAT ABOUT ADDICTION RECOVERY? SO ADDICTION RECOVERY IS KIND OF LOOPED INTO SOME OF THIS WORK.
AGAIN, SARA KHAN WOULD BE BETTER SUITED TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, BUT THERE IS A HUGE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PUSH HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AT THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION, WHERE WE'RE INTEGRATING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SUPPORT, ADDICTION SUPPORT, ACCESS TO MAINSTREAM BENEFITS AT THE POINT SOMEONE IS DECOMMISSIONED FROM AN ENCAMPMENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH HOUSING AND BEYOND.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKED TO FOCUS ON BY THE CITY OR HOUSING FORWARD.
I MEAN, UP HERE, WE HAVE ROBUST CONVERSATIONS ON NEXTDOOR ABOUT THE HOMELESS THAT WE SEE INJECTING DIRECTLY INTO THEIR NECKS DRUGS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE LAYING OUT ON THE STREET NEXT TO A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
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AND IT'S VERY RISKY BEHAVIOR FOR FOR THEM AND FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.FOR YOUR GOAL ABOUT EXPANDING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHO IS IT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO PAY FOR THAT? WELL, I'LL JUST SAY QUICKLY THAT THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE ADDICTION AND TO ADDRESS ADDICTION IS ACTUALLY TO HOUSE PEOPLE.
SO I WILL SAY THAT ADDICTION RECOVERY AND GETTING PEOPLE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING IS THE SAME KIND OF FIGHT IN TERMS OF WHO'S PAYING FOR THE ADDITIONAL PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. THOSE FUNDS CAN COME FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT CAN HELP BUILD PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
SO I THINK THOSE FUNDS COME FROM FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES.
OKAY. WELL, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD STEP UP THEIR SO I THINK YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION IN YOUR ITEM ABOUT LOCAL PREFERENCE.
ARE YOU JUST REPEATING WHAT THE LOCAL PREFERENCE HAS BEEN FROM THE COC, OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR INPUT BECAUSE THE COC LOCAL PREFERENCE IS FOR CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS, WHICH ALIGNS REALLY WITH HUD.
AND THAT IS NOT IT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING PROMOTED BY THE COC.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY INITIATIVE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THUP AND FYI VOUCHERS VERY CLOSELY RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET FURTHER INTEGRATION WITH ACTUALLY HHS FUNDING ON THAT AND TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF VOUCHERS WE HAVE FOR FAMILIES AND FOR YOUTH.
NO, I'M IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SLIDE ON SUCCESSES, THE HOMELESS PREFERENCE, IT'S A IT'S A PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY POLICY OUTLINED IN THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF THAT.
GREAT. SO I JUST HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS. ONE OF THEM IS ON SLIDE 11.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REGULATORY RELIEF WHAT KIND OF REGULATORY RELIEF HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE? AND IS THERE AN ISSUE, ARE YOU TRYING TO HELP US WITH MAYBE GETTING A CHANGE TO THE INSPECTIONS FOR UNITS THAT ARE HOLDING UP PEOPLE GETTING INTO HOUSING, THAT MAYBE THAT CAN HAPPEN AFTER THEY'VE MOVED IN OR SOME OTHER WAY TO REMOVE THAT IMMEDIATE REQUIREMENT PHOTOS, VIDEO, FACEBOOK LIVE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAD, I BELIEVE, FIVE WAIVER REQUESTS APPROVED LITERALLY THIS MORNING THAT WILL ALLOW SERVICE PROVIDERS IN DALLAS TO USE FUNDING FROM HUD FOR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES IN A MUCH MORE ALIGNED WAY.
AND THERE'S SOME SPECIFICS THERE THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT AT A LATER TIME.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE REGULATORY.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T GO INTO FEDERAL STATUTE.
YOU HAVE TO TALK TO CONGRESS ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN IN YOUR ROLE, ARE YOU THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION IN YOUR ROLE, ARE YOU ALSO HELPING SPEED THE PROCESS FOR APPLICANTS FOR SSDI AND SSI? YEAH, ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN A HUGE FOCUS OF OUR WORK SO FAR.
WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HOMELESS ARE INTERACTING WITH A SOAR, A CERTIFIED SOAR PERSON TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE APPLYING FOR MAINSTREAM BENEFITS LIKE SSI AND SSDI.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY.
IT IS BEING ACKNOWLEDGED AND RECOGNIZED.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION OR REQUEST.
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AND I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION.AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DALLAS COUNTY, KIND OF THE STRATEGY, WE'VE MENTIONED IT SEVERAL TIMES, THE STRATEGY TO EXTEND THESE OPERATIONS BEYOND JUST DALLAS INTO SOME OF OUR PARTNERING CITIES.
AND I'D LOVE TO KIND OF HEAR WHAT THAT STRATEGY LOOKS LIKE AS WELL AS WE GROW THIS NETWORK.
WELL, I'D LOVE TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS MORE ABOUT ALL THAT INITIATIVE WITH YOU.
AND I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S IT'S JUST FORMING THOSE CONNECTIONS.
SO WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE.
WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL IN COLLIN COUNTY, TOO.
THAT'S MY GEOGRAPHY EXTENDS TO BOTH DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY.
SO IT'S FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE TO BUY IN, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM, WITH HOUSING FORWARD AND THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION, AND THEN FIGURING OUT WAYS WE CAN SLOT IN ADDITIONAL SUPPORT THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
I MEAN, ANYONE WHO GOES INTO ONE OF OUR INCLEMENT SHELTERS AND CAN TAKE A LOOK AROUND CAN SEE THAT YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THAT SHOULDN'T BE SO HARD TO PROVE AND SO LABORIOUS TO GET THROUGH MONTHS OF GIVING SOMEONE A SOURCE OF INCOME THAT CAN CERTAINLY HELP THE CITY WITH OUR MOVE TOWARD MORE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. WE'VE SEEN OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS WHO USE THAT MODEL, AND SOME OF THAT INCOME CAN GO TO OFFSETTING THE RENT.
BUT HOW CAN YOU HELP US WORK WITH DALLAS COUNTY AND THE STATE OF TEXAS ON THE HEALTH SIDE OF THIS? SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION, BUT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST NOT UNDER THE CITY'S PURVIEW.
I MEAN, WE'RE PUTTING SOME FUNDS TOWARD THAT, BUT IT'S JUST NOT UNDER OUR PURVIEW.
WE CAN WORK ON THE HOUSING PART AND THE DECOMMISSIONING.
WHERE WHERE IS THERE ANY MOVEMENT OR WHAT CAN BE DONE FROM THE FEDERAL PERSPECTIVE? THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION, AND ONE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPER WELL SUITED TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO PURSUE, AN AREA OF INTEREST.
I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE THING.
THAT'S THE BIG ROCK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S A LOT OF THESE FOLKS.
I WANTED TO ASK TOO, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOUSING FORWARD IS SO FOCUSED ON THE PERMANENT HOUSING SIDE OF THINGS, BUT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT AND I THINK IT FITS WITH YOUR GOAL OF REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS TO HAVE MORE HOUSING READINESS OPTIONS, WHICH WOULD MIGHT TAKE THE SHAPE OF SOME TEMPORARY HOUSING TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF THE STREET ON THEIR WAY TO THAT ULTIMATE GOAL OF HAVING SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT, BUT LETTING THEM START TO ACCLIMATE BACK TO A LIFE WHERE THEY HAVE A DOOR THAT LOCKS AND A PLACE TO LEAVE THEIR THINGS, AND SOME FOOD AND SOME HEALTH CARE, AND SOMEONE COORDINATING WITH THEM TO GET THE DOCUMENTS THEY MAY NEED.
SO WHERE DOES THAT KIND OF MODEL FIT INTO THIS? SO I'LL SAY THAT JUST BASED ON THE DATA WE KNOW FROM VARIOUS STUDIES THROUGHOUT THE US, IT'S ACTUALLY A MUCH, MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE IN HOUSING SOMEONE IN A PERMANENT POSITION WHILE THEY GET THOSE CRITICAL DOCUMENTATIONS, GIVE THEM SOME LEEWAY IN THAT SPACE RATHER THAN HAVING A TEMPORARY SOLUTION.
A TEMPORARY SOLUTION WORKS FOR A VERY, VERY SMALL GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.
IT CAN BE VERY EFFECTIVE FOR THAT GROUP.
BUT JUST STATISTICALLY, I THINK WE SEE A 94, 95% RETENTION RATE FOR PERMANENT HOUSING OPTIONS AND THAT RETENTION RATE, OR WHEN YOU PROGRESS FROM TEMPORARY TO PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS, THAT RATE IS JUST MUCH, MUCH LOWER.
SO I THINK IN DALLAS, WHAT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO DO IS OR THE CONTINUUM OF CARE AND THE CITY HAS TRIED TO DO SO FAR IS INVEST IN THOSE SOLUTIONS THAT WE KNOW ARE WORKING STATISTICALLY. AND I ALSO JUST SAY, I THINK WHAT MAKES DALLAS SO SPECIAL IS THE FACT THAT BASED ON YOUR HOUSING MARKET AND HOW THE CITY IS FORMED GEOGRAPHICALLY, YOU GUYS HAVE AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO NOT HAVE TO INVEST IN A HUGE TEMPORARY HOUSING OPTION.
THOSE TEMPORARY HOUSING OPTIONS CAN BE EXTRAORDINARILY EXPENSIVE, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
TO UTILIZE THAT RESOURCE IS THE CHEAPER, MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO GO.
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SO WHILE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO HAVE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, I DO BELIEVE THAT WITH THE SITUATION IN DALLAS, THE POTENTIAL YOU GUYS HAVE, THE PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS SHOULD PROBABLY BE THE FOCUS.AND I KNOW THAT. AND I MEAN, WE HEAR THAT ALL OF THE TIME.
BUT IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT LIVING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS STREETS AND UNDERPASSES AND PARKLAND AND ALLEYWAYS BEING USED AS WAITING ROOMS FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO THAT HOUSING. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE TORTOISE AND THE HARE.
SO WHILE HOUSING FORWARD AND THEIR GREAT WORK IS MOVING A NEEDLE AND WE'RE DECOMMISSIONING ENCAMPMENTS, BUT AT THE RATE OF 20, WHEN WE HAVE 400, WE HAVE TO BE THE HARE.
BUT WE CAN'T IGNORE THE OTHER.
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL WE CAN IGNORE THAT.
OUR RESIDENTS ARE REALLY DEMANDING THAT WE LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.
SO I GET THE STAYING IN THE LANE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS.
AND I MEAN, AGAIN, GETTING AT THE GOAL OF REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS, IT IS CRAWLING.
IT'S WORKING, BUT IT'S A CRAWL AND WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THIS AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE.
IN FACT, OUR FORECAST CALLS FOR A PRESENTATION ON THAT IN JUNE.
SO WHILE WELL-INTENTIONED, WE HAVE STREET FEEDING GOING ON.
IT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME CONCENTRATED OUTREACH, YET IT STILL PERSISTS.
WHAT CAN THIS FEDERAL LEVEL AGENCY DO TO HELP COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE TENTACLES OF OUR FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS IN DALLAS AND INDEED THIS AREA? BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING, YOU KNOW, FROM OUTSIDE OF DALLAS TO DO STREET FEEDING.
USE SOME OF THE OTHER RESOURCES.
WHAT'S BEING DONE TO HELP US WITH THAT? SO I'LL JUST QUICKLY START OFF BY COMMENDING DIRECTOR CROSSLEY AND OHS FOR THEIR WORK ON THE STREET FEEDING OPERATION.
I THINK WHAT'S BEEN DONE SO FAR HAS BEEN VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE.
I HAVE TO SAY I'VE NOT INTERACTED WITH THAT FEDERAL AGENCY SPECIFICALLY YET, BUT I THINK IF THAT'S OF INTEREST TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SOME OUTREACH AND GET YOU GUYS SOME MORE ANSWERS THERE.
WELL, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE THE POINT OF VIEW OF THAT OFFICE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IMPACT COULD MEAN, THAT THAT MIGHT BE MEANINGFUL IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK SOMETHING COMING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE TO SAY, WE KNOW YOU'RE WELL INTENTIONED, BUT THIS ACTUALLY CAN BE VERY CONTRA TO WHAT THE GOALS OF THE CITY AND THE INVESTMENT OF THE TAXPAYERS IS.
AND IF THERE ARE RESOURCES THERE TO HELP US WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I DO HAVE ONE OTHER THOUGHT, AND THIS IS ON WE'VE GOTTEN SOME ASSISTANCE FROM ADJACENT CITIES, AND I DON'T MEAN JUST IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT, BUT AROUND THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT NOT EVERYBODY.
WHAT WHAT ARE YOU ABLE TO DO IN YOUR ROLE TO HELP FACILITATE NOT JUST MEETINGS? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MEETINGS BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESSURE ON THE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL TO ASSIST WITH THIS ISSUE. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
THERE'S PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITIES ALL THROUGHOUT DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTIES, AND SOMETHING THAT I'VE REALLY WORKED ON AND I'M CONTINUING TO WORK ON, ARE WORKING WITH PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITIES TO ADD VOUCHER RESOURCES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT CANNOT BE UNDERVALUED.
SO GETTING ANY MORE OF THOSE RESOURCES INTO THE SYSTEM IS JUST GOING TO BE EXTREMELY IMPACTFUL.
AND LIKE I MENTIONED WE'RE WORKING SPECIFICALLY ON FAMILY UNIFICATION PROGRAM VOUCHERS AND FYI VOUCHERS THAT TARGET FAMILIES AND YOUTH, AND THERE IS A GREAT POTENTIAL THERE TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL VOUCHER SUPPORT FROM PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITIES AND OTHER LOCATIONS.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING OR MOVING TOWARD MORE OF A SCOREBOARD SO WE CAN SEE WHAT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ARE DOING BECAUSE SOME ARE DOING NOTHING, THOUGH THEY'RE VOCAL ABOUT THE ISSUE. SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO PUT IT UP AND LET EVERYONE SEE AND THEN HOPEFULLY USE THAT TO TO GET SOME RESOURCES THAT DALLAS NEEDS SINCE WE ARE DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THIS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
AND THE COORDINATED EFFORTS ALSO WORKING ON TAKING DOWN SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO ASSIST US WHEN IT COMES TO MENTAL HEALTH AND DRUG ADDICTION.
AND YOU ALLUDED TO SOME OF THOSE EARLIER.
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ASSISTANCE AND THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BE HERE.WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE DALLAS VIEW AND, YOU KNOW.
I BELIEVE HOUSING FIRST WORKS FOR A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS.
AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS LEAVING SOMEONE IN AN ENCAMPMENT MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN PUTTING THEM IN TEMPORARY HOUSING? IF YOUR BAROMETER OF SUCCESS IS KEEPING THEM PERMANENTLY HOUSED, THEN THEN I THINK PERMANENT HOUSING IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.
AGAIN, THIS IS A COMPLICATED DEMOGRAPHIC.
THESE PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH ISSUES THAT YOU AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE.
AND SO I THINK ALL WE HAVE TO GO ON REALLY IS THE DATA.
I DO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS SUFFERING.
THERE IS A DISTINCT HUMAN DESIRE TO HELP SOMEONE IN THAT SITUATION.
LIKE I SAID, I'M VERY KEYED IN TO KIND OF THE NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE ON THESE ISSUES, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SET UP SOME MEETINGS AND PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT A TEMPORARY SOLUTION COULD LIKE, LOOK LIKE, THE COSTS, THE EFFECTIVENESS, AND LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU, IF THAT'S OF INTEREST.
THANK YOU. OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT PARTICIPATE IN ALL INSIDE LOS ANGELES.
LOS ANGELES HAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH MISSION OF HOPE AND THEIR PALLET PROGRAM.
WHAT'S THE COORDINATION EFFORT BETWEEN THOSE EFFORTS TO HOUSE OUR UNSHELTERED THROUGH TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND THE ALL INSIDE PROGRAM? SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY PROBABLY ARE CONNECTED.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MY COLLEAGUE WORKING IN LOS ANGELES, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PALLET HOMES, BUT I DO KNOW THAT USC HAS HAD PRESENTATIONS FROM LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE US, SPECIFICALLY ON PALLET SHELTERS.
SO AGAIN, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU AT A LATER TIME.
I DON'T I DON'T HAVE IT. NO, NO, NO, I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE THAT HERE.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS NEXT QUESTION MIGHT BE MORE FOR OS, BUT DO WE HAVE A A YEAR TO DATE ON DECOMMISSIONING OF ENCAMPMENTS OF HOW MANY WE WERE AT LAST YEAR AND HOW MANY WE ARE AT TODAY? I WOULD REFER THAT QUESTION TO OES OR TO HOUSING FOR I.
I'M NOT I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT.
DIRECTOR CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
SO I WILL GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU.
WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST CLOSED ONE AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CLOSING ANOTHER ONE.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE SAID AND RACHEL MENTIONED, HAVING ADDITIONAL OUTREACH WORKERS COORDINATED OUTREACH, WE HAVE CLOSED I BELIEVE WE'VE CLOSED MORE IN THIS PAST YEAR THAN WE JUST IN THIS FIRST QUARTER.
THEN WE'VE CLOSED THE ENTIRE PAST YEAR.
SO YOU ARE SEEING THAT RAMP UP.
BUT I WILL GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU.
OKAY. AND THEN CHRISTINE DO WE HAVE OUR PIT COUNT NUMBERS YET? SO THE STATE OF HOMELESSNESS ADDRESS IS HAPPENING APRIL 30TH.
SO NEXT WEEK THEY'LL BE ROLLED OUT.
OKAY. AND RACHEL, YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT WORK AND VERY EXPENSIVE.
WE'VE HAD A 59% INCREASE IN HUD FUNDING SINCE 2019.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF DECREASE IN HOMELESSNESS HAS BEEN? AGAIN, I THINK THE DECREASE IN HOMELESSNESS, I THINK YOU HAVE TO REFER TO THE PAST PIT COUNT.
AND I WOULD I WOULD REFER THAT THAT NUMBER, THAT QUESTION TO HOUSING FORWARD.
MY LAST QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO DECOMMISSIONING ENCAMPMENTS DO WE SEE THE CURRENT CITY OF GRANT SUPREME COURT CASE HAVING ANY CHANGES IN THE WAY WE DECOMMISSION IT? COULD I, I THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE OPINIONS COME OUT AND WE HEAR SOMETHING FROM THE SUPREME COURT.
SO I WOULD SAY MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TILL JUNE TO FIND OUT FOR SURE.
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THANK YOU.ANYONE FOR A ROUND TWO? VICE CHAIR. MENDELSOHN. GO AHEAD.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING SAID.
I BELIEVE THE POINT IN TIME COUNT SHOWED A 4% DECREASE.
AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I WOULD I WOULD REFER YOU TO HOUSING FORWARD.
I KNOW THIS PAST YEAR THERE WAS A DECREASE IN CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS AND AND HOMELESSNESS OVERALL.
YES. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IN CASE ANYBODY REPORTS ON THIS THAT THEY VERIFY THAT NUMBER.
BECAUSE WHILE WE'VE HAD A MASSIVE INCREASE IN SPENDING AND DOLLARS ALLOCATED TOWARDS THIS ISSUE, WE HAVE NOT SEEN A REDUCTION THAT IS SIGNIFICANT IN THE HOMELESS POPULATION.
AND OF COURSE, THE POINT IN TIME COUNT IS ALREADY KNOWN TO BE A FLAWED COUNT.
IT'S NOT AN ACCURATE COUNT, AND THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS WILL EASILY TELL YOU THAT HOMELESSNESS HAS GROWN IN EVERY SINGLE PART OF OUR CITY. AND SO THERE'S THERE'S REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOLLAR INVESTMENT WE'VE MADE AND THE RETURN WE'RE GETTING ON ACTUALLY REDUCING THE HOMELESS POPULATION.
IF YOU WANT TO WALK RIGHT OUTSIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE IN OUR CITY HALL PLAZA.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE AT OUR LIBRARY.
THANK YOU. CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.
SO TRYING TO GET THE SLIDE TO DOWNLOAD.
WELL, I DON'T THINK THE QUESTION WAS UNSHELTERED.
THE QUESTION WAS A REDUCTION IN THE TOTAL POPULATION.
HOLD ON. OUR HOMELESS DECREASE WAS SMALLER.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT WAS THE SUB POPULATION TRENDS WITHIN THAT THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT.
I WILL ALSO SAY THAT AS WE GO AND WE HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, THE START UP COSTS OF WHAT YOU SEE, WHAT WE ARE NOW REAPING THE REWARDS OF IN THIS SYSTEM ARE HIGHER. THEY WERE HIGHER FOR HOUSTON BACK IN 2011 AND 2012.
AND CAN YOU SHARE THE PERCENTAGE OF DECREASE IN THE TOTAL POPULATION? I AM STILL LOOKING FOR IT.
WELL, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S 4% IS WHAT HOUSING FORD HAS BEEN SHARING.
I ALSO JUST ECHO THAT IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO STAND UP THESE KIND OF PROGRAMS. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT ULTIMATELY THEY WILL BE IN BEING LESS COSTLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE THE IMPORTANCE OF CONTINUING TO INVEST IN THESE SOLUTIONS AND HOPING THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN HOPING, KNOWING THAT AS THESE PROGRAMS CONTINUE TO PROVE THEIR FIDELITY, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DECREASE IN COST.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THE TOTAL DOLLAR OF THAT HAVE BEEN INVESTED IN HOMELESSNESS IN THE DALLAS AREA? ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT FEDERAL FUNDING SPECIFICALLY? ARE YOU ASKING NO LOCAL MONEY AS WELL? AGAIN, LOCAL.
AGAIN, I WOULD I WOULD REFER YOU TO EITHER OES OR HOUSING FOR FOR THAT TOTAL NUMBER.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE ON HAND.
OKAY. WELL, AT THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP ON ENDING HOMELESSNESS, WE'VE CALCULATED OVER $700 MILLION IN 1 IN 1 CALENDAR YEAR GOING INTO THE SYSTEM FOR ALMOST NO CHANGE.
AND AGAIN, I'LL JUST REINFORCE THE FACT THAT THIS IS AN EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE PROBLEM TO SOLVE.
IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE A DENT IN THIS TYPE OF WORK.
THAT'S TRUE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
YOU GUYS ARE NOT UNIQUE IN BEING FRUSTRATED BY THE COST.
BUT AGAIN, THE HOPE IS THAT AS THESE PROGRAMS, IT'S EXPENSIVE TO STAND THEM UP.
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BUT IF ALL OF THE MEASURES ARE THE SAME HOUSING FIRST MODEL THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 20 YEARS AND HASN'T REALLY MOVED THE NEEDLE, AND IN FACT HOMELESSNESS HAS INCREASED DURING THIS TIME, WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO TRY SOMETHING NEW? SO IN DALLAS, WHEN YOU SEE COUNCIL MEMBERS SAYING, LOOK, WE CAN'T HAVE OUR SIDEWALKS AND PARKS BECOME INTERMEDIATE HOUSING, WHY IS THERE SUCH PUSHBACK TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT IS A NEW INNOVATION, MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD TRY AND SEE IF THAT DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR US.I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE SOME DATA ON THAT.
I THINK THE OVERALL POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WHILE THOSE INTERVENTIONS WORK IN OTHER LOCATIONS, I THINK WHAT THE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM IS SAYING IS, LOOK, WE HAVE THIS AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO NOT HAVE TO DO THAT.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY EXPENSIVE TO STAND UP A A TEMPORARY OR TRANSITIONAL SHELTER, AND IT'S VERY TRAUMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING HOUSED IN THOSE TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS TO MOVE FROM THE STREET TO A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, AND THEN TO PERMIT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OR PERMANENT HOUSING IN SOME CAPACITY.
SO I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IT'S MORE TRAUMATIC TO BE IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT WITH A LOCK ON A DOOR WITH A BED WITH. AIR CONDITIONING AND HEATING THAN IT IS TO BE OUT ON THE STREET.
NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
AFTER THAT. IT'S HARD, RIGHT? AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THESE PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH THINGS WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE.
AND ALL I CAN SPEAK TO IS THE DATA.
WE KNOW THAT THE RETENTION RATE FOR PERMANENT HOUSING SOLUTIONS IS VERY, VERY HIGH.
IT'S THE HIGHEST OF ANY INTERVENTION WE SEE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
SO THAT, AGAIN, FROM THE FEDERAL PERSPECTIVE, IS WHAT WE DO ADVOCATE FOR.
OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I DO, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WORKING RIGHT IN DALLAS.
AND I ONLY HEAR YOU SAYING HOW POSITIVE EVERYTHING IS.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, THE AVERAGE PERSON ON THE STREET DOES NOT SHARE THAT VIEW.
AND EVEN IF YOU WANT TO CHERRY PICK A SLICE OF A TYPE OF HOMELESSNESS TO SAY IN THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY, WE'VE HAD THIS PARTICULAR SUCCESS, THAT'S NOT THE MEASURE THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT.
AND SO I'M CONCERNED THAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS SO FEDERAL THAT IT'S NOT COUNTING THE INVESTMENTS THE COUNTY IS MAKING.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDING THAT'S COMING INTO THIS AREA, AND WE'RE NOT SEEING THE CHANGES THAT WE NEED FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO I'M HOPING WE WILL DO SOMETHING NEW THAT MIGHT MOVE THAT NEEDLE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T NEED EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WE DO. AND EVERY INTERVENTION THAT HOUSING FORWARD CAN HELP US ACHIEVE.
WE NEED THAT AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT WE NEED SOMETHING MORE THAN IT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU AT A LATER DATE ABOUT WHAT THOSE SOLUTIONS COULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE.
AND AGAIN, WHILE MY PERSPECTIVE IS FEDERAL, THAT'S MY JOB.
I AM EMBEDDED WITHIN HHS AND HOUSING FORWARD, AND I'M REALLY DOING WORK THAT I'M BEING ASKED TO DO, OR THAT'S BEING DRIVEN BY LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOUR CITY OF DALLAS GOVERNMENT AND HOUSING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE PERSPECTIVE I'M COMING, COMING TO YOU WITH.
I GUESS MY LAST COMMENT WILL ONLY BE THAT AN ORGANIZATION LIKE, WHETHER IT'S THE CONTINUUM OF CARE OR THE HOUSING FORWARD, IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ECHO CHAMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT REALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.
THEY ARE IDEOLOGICALLY SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER.
OF THOUGHTS ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IS NOT REALLY BEING REPRESENTED.
WE DON'T EVEN LET ANIMALS STAY OUT ON THE STREET.
WE BRING THEM INTO SHELTER AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE SAFE AND FED AND SANITARY.
AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL CARE ABOUT PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE DO ABOUT OUR ANIMALS.
THANK YOU. YES, JUST ONE THING IN TERMS OF DISCUSSING THE VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS.
YES, WE DO HEAR THE COUNCIL'S CONCERN AND THE RESIDENTS CONCERN.
WE ARE IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS ALL OVER THE CITY ABOUT THIS.
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AND WHILE THE INITIATIVE FROM 2021 TO NOW HAS HOUSED 7000 PEOPLE AND WE HAVE AN EXTREMELY SMALL AND QUICK LEAD TIME ON HOW LONG IT TAKES TO HOUSE SOMEONE FROM AN ENCAMPMENT.WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE ONE OF THE SMALLER SLICES OF OUR OVERALL HOMELESSNESS SECTOR, VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS, IS EXTREMELY DISTRESSING, IT'S EXTREMELY TRAUMATIC. IN TERMS OF HOMELESSNESS PREFERENCE, AS RACHEL MENTIONED, IF WE DON'T FOCUS ON THOSE WHO ARE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS, WE WILL NOT SOLVE THE LARGER PROBLEM.
I'VE HAD MANY VERY SPIRITED ARGUMENTS OVER WHAT SOLUTIONS SHOULD BE.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO OUR RESIDENTS AND TO OUR INDIVIDUALS BUT ALSO TO US AS CITIZENS OF DALLAS WHO LIVE HERE, TOO AND TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE. SO WE ARE WORKING MORE ON THAT, AND YOU WILL SEE A GREATER REDUCTION OF VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS THIS YEAR.
YOU'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB ON COMPASSION.
WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY KIND OF ENFORCEMENT.
OH, NO. MR. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT GRANTS PASSED BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT AND WHO KNOWS WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, MAY OR JUNE TIME FRAME.
AND SO AFTER TOURING SOME OF THE TEMPORARY HOUSING OPTIONS WITH THE GOAL TO GET TO THE PERMANENT SOLUTION I'M NOT HEARING THE NEGATIVITY AROUND IT.
IN FACT, ESPERANZA IN AUSTIN, WHICH WENT FROM A TRANSFORMATION FROM JUST LITERALLY A TENT CITY TO MOVING PEOPLE TO AN ORGANIZED TENT TO THEN TO THE THE SHELTER, THE TEMPORARY HOMES THEY'VE THEY'VE REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THAT AND HOW IT DID MAKE PEOPLE MORE ABLE TO HAVE THE PERMANENT SOLUTION TAKE, BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY RE-ACCLIMATED OVER TIME TO LIVING IN A COMMUNITY, HAVING THE HEALTH CARE, HAVING THE FOOD OPTIONS AND BEING ABLE TO CONCENTRATE FOLKS AND HAVE THE SOLUTIONS COME TO THEM.
AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE SOLUTION, IT'S OUR SOLUTION IS MULTIPLE SOLUTIONS.
SINCE WE ARE SUCH A BIG PART OF THE GEOGRAPHY, A BIG PART OF THE REVENUE GENERATION, DO NOT SEE THAT RETURN IN REVENUE COMING BACK TO US AND SOME OF THE FORMS WHERE WE NEED IT. I KNOW THAT COMING UP IN ITEM K, WE'RE GOING TO GET A COST OF HOMELESSNESS PRESENTATION FROM THE COUNTY.
BUT I WOULD ASK THAT THIS COMMITTEE AND INDEED THE COUNCIL AS A BRIEFING, UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CAPACITY OF THE COUNTY, WHETHER IT'S BEDS OR SERVICES, TO GET A PICTURE OF THAT TO ON THE ADDICTION SERVICES, BEDS HEALTH CARE, ETC. AND THEN ALSO ON THE HOUSING VOUCHERS AND HOUSING.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE DAP AGENDA TO KNOW HOW THIS IS BEING REPORTED ON.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ADDS ON TO THE JUNE PRESENTATION OR IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO SOONER, BUT THEY'RE GOING INTO BUDGETING AS WELL, AND I THINK THAT THIS NEEDS TO THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE A ROLE IN THEIR BUDGETING PROCESS FOR 2425, JUST AS IT WILL BE FOR THE CITY.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? IF NOT RACHEL, THANK YOU.
WE TRULY DO APPRECIATE THE COORDINATED EFFORT.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT WE CAN'T GO AT IT ALONE.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM C.
MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'M THOR ERIKSEN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I WILL COVER EACH PILLAR IN THIS PRESENTATION.
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I'LL FOCUS ON A FEW OF THE LATTER SLIDES ABOUT OUR COLLABORATION EFFORTS AND NEXT STEPS.THE NEXT SLIDES LIST EACH OF THE SMART GOALS AND RELATION TO EACH PILLAR, AND GIVES A GENERAL PERCENT OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH DELIVERING ON THE GOALS IN THAT POLICY. THE SEVEN PILLARS AGAIN ARE THE EQUITY STRATEGY, TARGET AREAS, A CITYWIDE PRODUCTION, A CITYWIDE PRESERVATION INFRASTRUCTURE, COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION, ENGAGEMENT, AND EDUCATIONAL PILLARS RELATED TO HOUSING EQUITY.
THE EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREA PILLAR.
WE LAST BRIEFED LAST QUARTER ON THE SELECTION OF THOSE THREE AREAS.
WE HAVE MADE SOME MOVEMENT ON THE MEASURABLE INDICATORS OF PROGRESS.
WE ARE WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR CONSULTANTS TO CREATE THE THE DATA THAT WILL HELP US BETTER GIVE UPDATES ON OUR OUR MEASUREMENT AGAINST EACH SMARTIE GOAL.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
THE NEXT THREE SLIDES SHOW YOU SOME HOUSING ACTIVITY THAT ARE IN EACH OF THE TARGET AREAS.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN COORDINATION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SLIDE NINE PLEASE TALKS ABOUT OUR CITYWIDE PRODUCTION PILLAR.
IT'S CALLED NEIGHBORLY FOR THAT, THAT PART.
IT'S A SYSTEM THAT WE USE FOR HOME REPAIR AND DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE ALREADY.
SO WE'RE ADDING ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT INITIATIVES INTO THE SAME DATABASE FOR ACCURATE DATA DELIVERY.
PILLAR THREE ON CITYWIDE PRESERVATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE CAN LOOK AT ARE THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, AND SORT OF THE AGE AND THE CLASSIFICATION THAT DCAD GIVES THEM TO GIVE US A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF PRESERVATION NEEDS FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
PILLAR FOUR ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE ARE WORKING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS, DWU, AND IDENTIFYING WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR TARGET AREAS WHERE WE KNOW INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS PRESENT THEMSELVES IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE GREATER PRODUCTION OF OF UNITS.
AND SO THAT THAT WORK HAS STARTED.
SLIDE 12 ON COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION.
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL AGREEMENTS TO TO WORK ON.
IT'S BEEN FORMALLY ACKNOWLEDGED AS CYNTHIA MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, WE ALSO HAVE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS BEING WORKED ON, AND WE HAVE MOUS WITH SOME OF OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS DELIVERING THINGS LIKE THE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT.
SLIDE 13 SHOWS YOU, AGAIN, THOSE TARGET AREAS.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS I PRESENT THEM IN THIS WAY, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN A, IN A FUTURE UPDATE IS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE WORKING ON IN THESE AREAS.
I'LL SHOW YOU THE HOUSING DATA RIGHT NOW JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE THERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S CLUSTERS OF ACTIVITY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE LOOKING AT, WHERE THEY HAVE ACTIVITY PLANNED, WHAT MIGHT BE IN FUTURE PROGRAMING SO THAT WE CAN BETTER COLLABORATE ON THAT TO SOLIDIFY SOME OF THOSE STATEMENTS.
THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, FOR INSTANCE, HAS MEASURABLE INDICATORS THAT HOUSING REGULARLY UPDATES ON THE FIRST TWO WERE COMPLETED UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING POLICY INTO THE PRESENT, INTO THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY.
THE MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS DOES THAT FOR US.
AND THE DISPLACEMENT RISK RATIO.
AND WE DO HAVE A STORY MAP ONLINE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THAT.
I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT LATER AND THINGS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.
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THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY.THERE'S A HOST OF THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN TERMS OF MIXED USE, MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENTS RELATED TO TODS LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO INVEST IN TARGETED MANNERS CONVENING OUR CDCS AND DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS TO IDENTIFY NEEDS.
SO THIS IS IN THAT SPIRIT OF COLLABORATION, UNDERSTANDING FROM THE COMMUNITY, UNDERSTANDING FROM EACH OF YOU AS COUNCIL MEMBERS WHAT OPPORTUNITIES PRESENT THEMSELVES IN DIFFERENT WAYS AS IT RELATES TO THAT PLAN AS WELL.
THE NEXT SLIDE FORWARD DALLAS.
NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENT AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN OR C CAP.
SOME OF THAT IS LIMITED TO TO BUDGETS TO PRODUCE AFFORDABLE HOMES.
OTHER PLANS THAT ARE UNDERWAY ARE THE RECENTLY APPROVED HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN, WHERE WE HAVE SOME OVERLAP THERE, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF HOME REPAIR AND SOME OF OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICTS.
WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD PARTNERSHIPS AROUND WI-FI, AND WHEN WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION, SOME OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS NEED REPLACED OR THEY NEED TO BE EXTENDED TO SUPPORT NEW DEVELOPMENT.
NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT OUR ENGAGEMENT PILLAR.
ENGAGEMENT IS FOUNDATIONAL TO EVERYTHING WE DO.
IT'S IT'S ABOUT HOW THIS PLAN WAS DEVELOPED.
IT'S ABOUT THE ENGAGEMENT TO IDENTIFY THE TARGET AREAS.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS THAT WE REPORTED OUT ON PREVIOUSLY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS UPCOMING WOULD BE A HOUSING PREFERENCE SURVEY.
THAT WILL BE A CITY WIDE THING THAT CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SUPPORT IN TERMS OF HOUSING, BUT NOT ASK THEM QUESTIONS ABOUT, DO YOU SUPPORT THIS DENSITY OR THIS TYPE OF ZONING DISTRICT. REALLY BREAK IT DOWN TO THE FUNDAMENTALS.
LIKE, ARE YOU TRYING TO BUY A NEW HOME? ARE YOU TRYING TO DOWNSIZE? ARE YOU TRYING TO UPSIZE? WHAT ABOUT YOUR KIDS IN YOUR HOUSE UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THEIR THEIR DESIRES FROM WHAT THEY WANT? FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD'S PERSPECTIVE, WE SEE THAT AS A COUNCIL SPECIFIC TYPE OF SURVEY WHERE WE HAVE A SET, A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, AND MAYBE A COUPLE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT TO ANSWER IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
PILLAR NUMBER SEVEN IS EDUCATION.
WE WE PARTNER WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS.
WE PARTNERED WITH EQUITY DEPARTMENT AND THE ANNUAL MLK SYMPOSIUM.
NEXT SLIDE. LAST BRIEFING, WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THE INCLUSIVE HOUSING TASK FORCE.
I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS FOLLOWING APPENDIX C IN THE APPROVED DALLAS HOUSING POLICY.
33 APPLICATIONS ARE LIVE RIGHT NOW FOR BOTH MEMBER TO JOIN THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO CHAIRS THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE WE COMMITTEE IN SELECTING THE INITIAL PEOPLE WHO WILL JOIN THE TASK FORCE, THE GOAL IS TO SELECT 24 MEMBERS, 12 REPRESENTING COMMUNITIES, THREE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OR BUSINESS COMMUNITY FOR ADVOCACY GROUPS, THREE PHILANTHROPY AND TWO FAITH BASED.
WE RECEIVED OVER 70 APPLICATIONS TO DATE.
THE APPLICATION DOES CLOSE ON MAY THE 3RD.
THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION STRATEGY AREAS AS MENTIONED.
THIS IS PART OF ONE OF THE INDICATORS IN THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
BUT THIS HAS BEEN A GOAL AS FAR BACK AS 2018.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING POLICY TO USE DATA TO IDENTIFY AREAS OF TOWN WHERE WE COULD HAVE THIS HUD DESIGNATED AREA, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO REDUCE SOME ELIGIBILITY QUALIFICATIONS TO HELP PEOPLE WITH MORE HOME REPAIRS OR HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE.
SO TDA, WHO HAS HELPED US ALL ALONG, IS WORKING ON A SET OF PLANS THAT WE CAN DELIVER TO HUD AS PART OF THE 2429 CONSOLIDATED PLAN SUBMISSION THIS SUMMER. THOSE NRSA MEETINGS WILL START NEXT WEEK.
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AS CYNTHIA MENTIONED EARLIER, HNA HAS BEEN BROUGHT IN TO HELP US DEVELOP AN ACTION PLAN.THIS WILL DEVELOP A FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT LOOKS AT THE THIS YEAR'S DATA, THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, THIS YEAR'S PRODUCTION AND THEN MARKS THAT BACK AGAINST EACH OF THE SMART GOALS IN TERMS OF THE CITYWIDE PRODUCTION, CITYWIDE PRESERVATION AND TARGET AREA APPROACH.
THIS DATA WON'T LOOK AT THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE OF HOUSING NEEDS BECAUSE THAT CONTINUES TO CHANGE, BUT IT WILL LOOK AT WHAT OUR WHAT OUR BUDGET, WHAT ARE OUR OPPORTUNITIES, WHAT ARE OUR PROGRAMS TO PRODUCE, AND WHAT DO WE PROJECT TO HAVE MEETING OUR BASE, OUR THRESHOLDS FOR ACHIEVING THE SMART GOALS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU? FINALLY, THE NEXT STEPS ARE TO FINALIZE THAT ACTION PLAN AND BRIEF YOU ALL IN THE FALL.
WHAT IS THE CITY DO, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE SO THAT WE CAN BEST UTILIZE THEIR ENERGY AND TIME TO ADVISE AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW CURRENTLY SOME OF THE ISSUES ON THE GROUND LAUNCH THAT CITYWIDE ENGAGEMENT PREFERENCE SURVEY AND THEN COME BACK AND UPDATE YOU ALL ON THE OUTCOME OF ALL OF THIS IN WINTER OF THIS YEAR.
WITH THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE TODAY.
I'M GOING TO LOOK AT ON PAGE 21 ON THE EDUCATION PAGE, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GOT LISTED ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
IT TALKS ABOUT INVESTING IN A STORYBOARD OF HISTORICAL EVENTS.
BUT THEN FOR 30, 20, 33, IT TALKS ABOUT WAYS TO TELL THE STORY ABOUT THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MAKING THE CASE FOR IT. SO I'M WONDERING, I WOULD THINK THOSE PRIORITIES MIGHT BE FLIPPED, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AROUND THIS AND THAT THAT MIGHT BE MORE HELPFUL TO US IN.
HAVING A WIDER GROUP BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
BY NO MEANS DOES IT MEAN LIKE WAIT TILL TEN YEARS TO DO THAT.
IT'S SAYING BY THE END OF THE TEN YEAR POLICY, THESE THINGS SHOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED.
SO YEARLY WE SHOULD BE MAKING PROGRESS.
ON PAGE TEN IT REFERENCES THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DATABASE OR THOSE THAT TO TARGET FOR PRESERVATION, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF PERCENTAGE OF MOVEMENT ON THAT.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DATABASE FOR US TO HAVE.
CAN YOU UPDATE ME ON WHERE THAT IS OR.
YES. SO THE NEIGHBORLY MODULE THAT WE USE HAS JUST BEEN APPROVED IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
AND SO DATA IS STARTING TO BE ENTERED BECAUSE IT WAS STILL IN A, AT A PLACE OF APPROVAL OR NOT AT THE TIME OF DRAFTING THIS PRESENTATION, I KEPT IT AT ZERO TO NOT TRY TO OVER REPRESENT WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ANTICIPATE MOVING SWIFTLY OR.
YES. IS THAT A LOT TO PUT TOGETHER? IT IS A LOT TO PUT TOGETHER.
IT'S ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRACKING IN DIFFERENT MEANS TO ENTERING THEM INTO A SYSTEM.
WE'RE WORKING ON A SERIES OF BLOCKED HOURS FOR OUR STAFF TO GO IN AND ENTER DATA AND GET EVERYTHING UPDATED, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE'LL MAKE SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT ON OVER THE NEXT MONTH. IS THAT THE BEST USE OF YOUR STAFF'S TIME, OR SHOULD SOMEONE ELSE BE DOING DATA ENTRY? IT'S GOOD THAT THE PROJECT MANAGERS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THAT ENTER THE DATA AS WELL TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACCURATE, BECAUSE SOME OF IT HAS HAS CERTAIN KEY DATES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ACCURATE.
BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
THE STAFF WILL BE USING NEIGHBORLY ON A DAILY BASIS.
THAT'S THEIR TOOL THAT THEY WILL BE ENTERING ALL ACTIVITIES IN.
SO THEY NEED TO LEARN HOW IT WORKS AND ALL OF THAT.
THE UPLOAD THAT WENT ON TO NEIGHBORLY, UNFORTUNATELY, DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE PRESERVATION SIDE.
SO THEY ARE HAVING TO ENTER EACH DAY.
IT'S ENOUGH TO GIVE THEM PRACTICE.
THEY'RE WORKING ON A DAILY BASIS, SO THEY'RE GOING TO ENTER THEM ANYWAY.
THE CATCH UP IS NOT THAT BIG OF A PROJECT.
WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S TRAINING TOO.
OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIR GRACIE.
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THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK.IT WAS KIND OF IN REFERENCE TO EXPIRING DEEDS.
CAN YOU GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT THAT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? YEAH. SO THERE'S SOME PROJECTS THAT MIGHT HAVE RECEIVED LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS TEN, 20, 30 YEARS AGO THAT THEIR EXPIRATION IS COMING UP WITHIN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. AND SO IT'S ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THOSE OWNERS, THOSE PROPERTY MANAGERS, TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THEIR INTENT WITH THEIR PROPERTY, LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE INCENTIVES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO OFFER TO EITHER EXTEND THOSE OR TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THEM.
SO AND IT'S ALSO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE, THEIR INTENTIONS ARE.
OKAY. AND THIS MAY BE MAY NOT BE THE INTENT OF THIS, BUT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IN TERMS OF THEIR PERFORMANCE AS LANDLORDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT DO DO THOSE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS COME INTO FACTOR AS WELL AS WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS? YES, SIR. THEY CERTAINLY DO.
WE LOOK AT PERFORMA AND PART OF THAT IS IN THAT WELL, ALL OF THAT IS IN THE NOFA.
HOW THEY PERFORM AS PROPERTY OWNERS.
HOW THEY FINANCE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THEIR CAPACITY IS, WHAT KIND OF STAFF DO THEY HAVE? WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THERE IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE NEED THEM TO DO? BUT AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S ALL IN THE NOFA IN A CHECKLIST OF ITEMS THAT THE STAFF REVIEW FOR PERFORMANCE BEFORE WE ENTER INTO ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY WITH ANYBODY.
OKAY. COUNCIL OR CHAIRMAN WEST DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ALL ON THIS.
AND THAT IS DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2023 UPDATE.
I APPRECIATE THE SUMMARY OF THE PROGRESS ON ALL THE POLICY PILLARS.
HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T CONTAIN ANY DATA THAT CAN TELL US HOW MUCH CITY HOUSING PROGRAMS ARE EXPECTED TO CONTRIBUTE TO CLOSING THE PROJECTED GAP IN MULTIFAMILY AND HOME OWNERSHIP HOUSING AT VARIOUS AMIS LEVELS.
SO AS I MENTIONED IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, COUNCILMAN, WE ARE LOOKING AT PARTNERING WITH SOMEONE THAT CAN HELP US SET A THRESHOLD OF WHAT IS NEEDED IN THE CITY THAT HAS TAKEN SOME TIME IN THIS PARTICULAR POLICY.
IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT TO START AT A THRESHOLD AND GO FROM THERE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BUILD INTO THE POLICY.
WE NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT AS I SAID, WE'RE LOOKING TO FIND SOMEONE THAT CAN HELP US WITH THAT KIND OF DATA.
SO WE'LL HAVE A THRESHOLD TO START WITH AND MEASURE FROM THAT POINT ON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN, BUT LET ME LET ME JUST MAKE MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT ON HOW WE MEASURE.
SO YES, HISTORICALLY, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT HAS USED ITS GOALS THAT ARE SET IN THE COMP PLAN AND IN THE CITY GOALS TO MEASURE PROGRESS, AND IT IS BASED ON WHAT HOUSING'S BUDGET CAN AFFORD TO MOVE FORWARD.
AS TO THE PROGRESS OF WHAT WE DO ON A DAILY BASIS.
I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING AN OVERARCHING NUMBER TO WORK ON FOR MOVING, FOR DETERMINING OTHER THINGS THAN JUST HERE'S THE BUDGET YOU HAVE AND HOW ARE YOU PROGRESSING WITH IT? SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT OF WE HAVE WATCHED WHAT WE DO IN, IN TERMS OF PRODUCTION, BASED ON THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE, AND WE CONTINUE TO PROGRESS THAT WAY, AND WE WILL WORK ON ADDING THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS, WHICH IS THE OVERARCHING NUMBERS. YEAH.
VICE CHAIR MENDELSOHN. GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU. I, I DO WANT TO COMMENT ON THE INCLUSIVE HOUSING TASK FORCE.
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REALLY IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF ALL DALLAS RESIDENTS.AND WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE HOUSING FORWARD, I'M SORRY FOR DALLAS, WHERE WE SEE THIS COMING FROM A GROUP THAT IS JUST REALLY NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CITIZENRY IS ASKING FOR AND WANTS.
I'M CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENSURE THAT THIS GROUP IS ACTUALLY REFLECTIVE OF ALL DALLAS RESIDENTS, NOT THE ADVOCACY COMMUNITY? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
IT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN OF OURS AS WELL.
CALLING UPON THE CHAIRS OF BOTH COMMITTEES OF THE WORKFORCE EDUCATION, EQUITY AND HOUSING COMMITTEE AS THE PRIMARY DRIVERS OF THAT SELECTION WILL HELP ENSURE THAT THE FOLKS THAT THEY SELECT ARE REPRESENTED OF PEOPLE THAT THEY BELIEVE WILL INFORM AND INFLUENCE HOUSING POLICY AND DIRECTION.
SO IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT BOTH CHAIRS HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AS WELL AS OTHERS IN TERMS OF THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE SERVE ON THIS ADVISORY BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS UPHELD.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING IT TO DO.
AND. I WOULD HOPE THAT BOTH CHAIRS WILL BE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THAT MANNER, BUT I DO THINK ADDITIONAL LAYERS OF OF QUALIFICATIONS NEED TO BE ADDED.
JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR HOUSING DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO SERVE IN THIS WAY, AND CERTAINLY NOT TO HAVE THE ENTIRE GROUP STACKED WITH THOSE FOLKS.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU COME BACK AND SUGGEST ADDITIONAL CRITERIA AND EXTEND THAT DEADLINE.
AND I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH BOTH THOR AND CYNTHIA ABOUT MAKING ENSURING THAT THIS ISN'T HEAVY ON THE INDUSTRY SIDE AND THAT WE HAVE INCLUSION FROM THE THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THESE CHANGES.
SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR MEMOS.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE THE COMMITTEE ON ITEM E.
OR ACTUALLY JUST A REQUEST FOR THOR, IF YOU CAN PLEASE GET WITH CHAIRMAN WEST TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
ITEM F, LET ME JUST ADD COUNCILMAN.
CHAIRMAN MORENO, WE'RE GOING TO ADD ADDITIONAL COLUMNS ONTO THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP TO TRACK WHAT WE DID IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR TO NOW.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH.
AND THEN ITEM F UPDATE ON THE 1000 UNIT HOUSING CHALLENGE.
OKAY, I'LL START OFF WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS WEST.
APPRECIATES US. PROGRESS IS SLOW.
ON WHY THE CITY CANNOT DEVELOP REAL ESTATE.
OKAY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THOUGHTS? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL KEEP MOVING ON TO UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. ITEM H.
SURE. YEAH. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE FORT WORTH AVENUE TIMING.
I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION, BUT.
SO WE'RE DOING PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES ON THIS PROPERTY.
WHAT? TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE MOVING.
YOU KNOW, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE CHRONOLOGY BECAUSE I FELT LIKE WE JUST HAD AN ISSUE.
THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY REOPEN ALL OF THAT AGAIN.
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DARWIN WADE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ON THE FORT WORTH AVENUE CHART? KEY DATES THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.SO WE'RE WE'RE STARTING THAT PROCESS NOW.
AND ONCE WE CONVEY THE PROPERTY TO THE SELECTED VENDOR, HOPEFULLY BY JUNE WE WILL HAVE HAD THE HEARINGS AND THE CPC AND THE COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE FIVE YEAR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR THE PROPERTY SITE.
THE OTHER PROPERTY, LIKE ON HAMPTON ROAD.
I KNOW WE HAD HAD A DELAY BECAUSE THERE WAS GOING TO BE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHEN THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE? I DON'T KNOW. WHO MIGHT ANSWER THAT BEST.
COUNCIL MEMBER. GRACIE, DO YOU CARE TO? YEAH, SURE. YEAH, WE'VE PUT ALL OF THAT IN PLACE.
OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW I HAD WANTED TO KNOW THE DATES AND I THINK SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DID TOO.
SO SURE. AND WITH THAT WHAT? I ASKED COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY TO CONSOLIDATE THAT TIMELINE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THAT PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AND NOT STAGNATE IT.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL ON G MENDELSOHN.
ALL FIVE PROJECTS HAVE THE SAME COMPLETION DATE, WHICH IS TBD.
WHICH IS NO INFORMATION AT ALL.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW A DATE, EVEN IF YOU'RE ESTIMATING IT.
COUNCIL MEMBER. WE CAN GIVE YOU A DATE AS FAR AS THE 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF A PROCUREMENT, BUT WE EXPECT THAT PROPERTY TO BE COMPLETED BY NOVEMBER 2025.
THAT'S THE DAY YOU THINK IT'S GONE.
YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO OPEN IN NOVEMBER 25TH? CORRECT. OKAY, HOW ABOUT INDEPENDENCE? I THINK IT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED AT THIS POINT.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE NOFA FOR THE 4150 INDEPENDENCE PROPERTY.
BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
SO IT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED.
THERE'S A LOT OF PRELIMINARY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT.
SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE TIMELINE ON WHEN THAT PROPERTY WILL BE COMPLETED AT THIS TIME.
OKAY. SO WHAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH NEEDS TO HAPPEN WHEN WE'VE PURCHASED IT IN 22 AND WE'RE NOW IN 24? IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO WALK THROUGH ALL OF THESE PROCESSES.
AGAIN, THE TIMELINE THAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU ALL TODAY IS THE CONVERSATION WITH IN REGARDS TO THE HAMPTON PROPERTY, THAT IS APRIL 29TH, 30TH AND JUNE 1ST, WE'LL HAVE THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO GET FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK COULD ACTUALLY OVERLAP INTO THE INDEPENDENCE PROPERTY.
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS COLLECTIVELY.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A TBD, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE PROPER FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK WITH AN UPDATE AFTER WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WAS THERE NOT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON INDEPENDENCE ALSO? PERHAPS, BUT I'VE JUST GIVEN YOU A TIMELINE IN TERMS OF OF WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM THAT.
CHRISTINE CROSSLEY OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.
YES, SO FOR INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, 4150 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, A ROBUST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS DONE UNDER THE PRIOR UNDER THE PRIOR DISTRICTING.
SO IT WAS DISTRICT EIGHT AND A GROUP WAS PULLED TOGETHER OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
THEY DECIDED AND AGREED UPON THE SCOPE, DID COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
AND THAT WAS SETTLED INTO 80%, 80% PERMANENT HOUSING, 20% RAPID REHOUSING.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NOW WHAT'S BEING PUT TOGETHER IS THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING NOFA.
OF COURSE, THERE'S COLLABORATION COMING FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY ON SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, BUT WE HAVE BEEN PROJECTING, AS I BELIEVE IS ON THE TIMETABLE FOR THAT NOFA TO GO LIVE IN JUNE.
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THE END OF THE SUMMER.DO YOU HAVE ALL THE FUNDING YOU NEED FOR INDEPENDENCE? WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE DEVELOPERS COME BACK WITH IN TERMS OF THE NEEDS AND DARWIN, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? WHAT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A GAP.
WE KNOW THERE'S 2.5 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY ALLOCATED FOR THE PROJECT.
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A GAP THAT THAT WILL BE NEEDED.
THE DEVELOPERS THAT WILL PROBABLY SUBMIT PROPOSALS WILL COME WITH THEIR SOURCES AND USES BUDGET THAT WILL INCLUDE ADDITIONAL SOURCES SUCH AS CHARITABLE DONATIONS BANK LOANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE DO KNOW THERE WILL BE A GAP AND THOSE DEVELOPERS WILL SEEK FUNDING THROUGH THE CITY'S NOFA.
AND I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS IN ONE OF OUR TARGET AREAS.
THIS TO ME IS AN EXACT EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE'RE SERVING A REGIONAL PURPOSE.
IT'S RIGHT ON THE BORDER WITH OTHER CITIES AND.
WE SHOULD BE ENLISTING THEIR HELP TO GET STATE FUNDING FOR THIS.
THIS SHOULD NOT COME ON THE BACKS OF THE DALLAS TAXPAYERS TO FUND.
THE HOUSING FOR HOMELESS THAT ARE NOT JUST DALLAS HOMELESS.
NOT ANY OF THE OTHER 25 CITIES THAT ARE PART OF DALLAS COUNTY.
AND YOU KNOW, IF IF WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT CENTER, THEN WE NEED FUNDING COMMENSURATE WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE STATE, FROM THE COUNTY, NOT JUST A MILLION BUCKS.
HAMPTON, I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT ONE IS A TBD.
BUT WHAT ABOUT VANTAGE POINT? WHY DOESN'T THAT ONE HAVE A DATE? VANTAGE POINT SHOULD HAVE A DATE.
I DO KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING TO HAVE AN OPENING OR A GRAND OPENING PRETTY SOON IN MAY JUNE, SO I DO KNOW THAT THEY ARE LEASING UP, SO IT SHOULD HAVE A COMPLETION DATE.
IF NOT, WE. I CAN GET THAT TO YOU, BUT I DO KNOW THAT PROPERTY HAS ALREADY STARTED LEASING.
AND I THINK THERE WERE I THINK THERE'S ONE BUILDING THAT'S LEFT.
BUT YEAH, IT SHOULD BE COMPLETED MAY JUNE TOTAL COMPLETION.
OKAY, SO IT SAYS ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE TBD.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT SAINT PAUL? IT ALSO SAYS ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE TBD.
EXCUSE ME. SAINT PAUL IS NOT A PROPERTY THAT IS ATTACHED TO EITHER OWS OR HOUSING.
AND WE WERE REQUESTED TO PUT THAT ONE ON HERE.
I BELIEVE SOMEONE FROM REAL ESTATE WAS GOING TO BE ONLINE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT SURE IF IF THAT ENDED UP WORKING OUT.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT HERE, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THE.
I DIDN'T SEE ASHLEY EUBANKS WANT TO COME OUT.
AS YOU KNOW THE SAINT PAUL LOCATION IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY APPRAISING.
SURE. SO THE APPRAISAL IS UNDERWAY.
WE JUST WE HAVE THE APPRAISER.
WE BELIEVE BY THE END OF MAY, 1ST OF JUNE, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT APPRAISAL BACK.
SO WILL IT BE ON THE JUNE HOUSING AND GFM AGENDAS? DEFINITELY. WE WILL BE UPDATING THOSE COMMITTEES OF THAT VALUE.
AND WHEN YOU DO, IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETE.
RIGHT. IN REGARDS TO THE APPRAISAL PROCESS.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED AROUND FUNDING AND USING OUTSIDE SOURCES, WHETHER IT BE STATE, COUNTY, FEDERAL.
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AND SOME OF OUR PROJECTS, CITY OWNED PROJECTS WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE SEEKING STATE FUNDING AS A WAY TO BRIDGE THE GAP IN THE FUNDING AND NOT SOLELY RELYING ON THE CITY OF DALLAS FUNDING THROUGH OUR NOFA.
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SO THE POINT THAT YOU MENTIONED IS BEING DONE AND OUR PROJECT.THANK YOU. DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM G.
WE'LL GO TO UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. ITEM H.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM H? SEEING NONE.
I I NOTICED ON THIS TENNYSON LOFTS PROJECT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A COMMUNITY AMENITY IS THE COMPUTER LEARNING CENTER. IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING LIKE KIDS YOU THAT WE HAD TOURED? IS IT THAT KIND OF THINKING, OR IS IT MORE ADULT FOCUSED, THE THE LEARNING CENTER? I'M SORRY. I COULD BARELY HEAR YOU WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING.
I'M SO SORRY. SO I NOTICED THAT ONE OF THE AMENITIES IS A COMPUTER LEARNING CENTER.
AND YOU AND I HAD TOURED KIDS.
YOU. AND IT'S SUCH AN AMAZING PROGRAM THAT IS OFFERED WITH RENT.
YES. SO I WASN'T SURE IF THIS WAS AN ALLUSION TO CORRECT THAT KIND OF PROGRAM ON SITE.
YES. SO THIS DEVELOPER PARTICULARLY DOES PUT LEARNING CENTERS ON THEIR NEW PROPERTIES.
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A LEARNING CENTER FOR YOUTH CHILDREN.
OKAY. SO THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND THEN ON THIS ITEM AND I'LL WANT TO KNOW THIS ON JAY AS WELL.
WHEN COULD THE CITY EXIT THIS DEAL ON THESE 75 YEAR.
IT COULD CAN WHEN COULD THE CITY EXIT? IS THIS A 15 YEAR? YOU KNOW, IF WE SO CHOSE.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TENANTS AND LOFT? WELL, TENANTS IN LAW, THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM THE JAY.
THE NEXT ITEM I MAY BE TALKING ABOUT PFC, PFC PROJECT.
YEAH. SO ALBERT IS HERE TO SPEAK TO.
OKAY. IT MAY. MAYBE I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF.
IT'S A PUBLIC FACILITIES PROJECT.
ALBERT GONZALEZ, ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, I WASN'T SURE.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM J ALREADY.
THERE'S A MINIMUM TERM OF 60 YEARS FOR AS AS STAYED OUT BY STATE STATUTE.
SO ITEM I, THE EXIT COULD BE FOR THE CITY J ITEM J YES.
THE CHAIR DIDN'T CALL FOR THAT.
OKAY. SO SORRY I DON'T WANT TO CONVOLUTE YOUR AGENDA OKAY.
SO ON J YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A 60 YEAR WHEN THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO EXIT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I AM CURIOUS ON THE POINT ON THE SCORING OF THIS PARTICULAR.
THE FUNDING SCORING OF 112 OUT OF 143.
CAN SOMEONE ELABORATE ON THAT? I KNOW THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY HAD A PROJECT ON THIS SITE THAT DIDN'T SCORE FAVORABLE.
AND SO WHAT CHANGED BETWEEN THEN AND NOW? OKAY, SO THE SCORING THAT YOU SEE IN THE ITEM, THE MEMO THAT IS THE SCORING BASED ON THE, THE, THE NOFA SCORING CRITERIA.
AND THE FINANCIALS, I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERENCING THE SCORING FOR THE FAIR HOUSING.
WHEN FAIR HOUSING TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS, THERE WERE SOME RUNDOWN BUILDINGS AS IT RELATES TO SOME DRUG ACTIVITY, SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THE FAIR HOUSING OFFICE DID NOT SCORE THAT DEVELOPMENT FAVORABLY TO ALLOW IT TO PASS THROUGH FOR HOUSING TAX CREDITS AT THE TIME.
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SINCE THEN, WE HAVE MET THE DEVELOPERS DID MEET WITH THE OFFICE OF FAIR HOUSING.WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.
WE ALSO WALKED THE OFFICE OF FAIR HOUSING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED AND THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS SITE. THERE ARE SEVERAL PARCELS THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED TO PREPARE FOR THE SITE FOR THIS 164 UNIT MULTIFAMILY.
SO ONCE WE WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND THE OFFICE OF FAIR HOUSING WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WOULD COME OF THIS PARCEL THEY RANKED IT FAVORABLY. AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE PRESENTING THAT PROJECT TODAY.
WELL, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES WITH THIS SITE.
CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE TIMELINE OF NEXT STEPS FOR THE DEVELOPER AND WHEN WE EXPECT TO SEE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS SITE? SURE. SO THIS IS PLANNED FOR COUNCIL AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.
SO THE THE DEVELOPER IS SEEKING TO ACQUIRE THE SITE AROUND SUMMER.
SO HOPEFULLY BY JULY PROBABLY LATE JUNE, THEY WILL ACQUIRE THE SITE.
WE WILL USE OUR FUNDING TO HELP THEM ACQUIRE THE SITE.
AND TYPICALLY THERE'S A TWO YEAR TIME FRAME ON CONSTRUCTION TO GET THOSE UNITS READY.
THEY ALSO HAVE TAX CREDITS THAT THEY HAVE ACQUIRED THROUGH THE STATE 4% TAX CREDITS.
AND THE OTHER REMAINING GAP IS GOING TO BE USED TO, WELL, FUND IT BY DEBT AND EQUITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM J.
WE TALKED THROUGH JAY WILLIS, I BELIEVE.
YES, WE TALKED THROUGH JAY COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS TALKED TO.
THE THIS ONE'S THE THE MICRO UNITS, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT.
DO WE KNOW THE THE AVERAGE SIZE OF EACH UNIT? THE AVERAGE SIZE OF EACH UNIT.
AND I HAVE THE DEVELOPER WITH ME HERE.
IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY VERY SPECIFIC PROJECT TYPE QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE IT'S APPROXIMATELY 420.
YOU COME BACK. I'LL INTRODUCE MR. JOHN HETZEL, WHO'S THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PROJECT.
JOHN HETZEL, DEVELOPER FOR THE BLOCK HOUSE PROJECT.
THE STUDIO UNITS ARE 375FT², I BELIEVE.
BUT WE'RE INSTALLING THEM ALL WITH MECHANICAL FURNITURE.
SO THE WHERE THE BED AND THE DRESSER MOVE.
AND SO EFFECTIVELY THEY'RE MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, 425FT².
AND BECAUSE OF MECHANICAL FURNITURE, THEY'RE MOVING.
READY? THE TWO BEDROOM UNITS ARE ABOUT DOUBLE THAT SIZE.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE THEM AROUND 750FT².
THANK YOU. I HOPE WE CAN HAVE OTHER DEVELOPERS FOLLOW IN THIS MODEL.
AND I JUST THANK YOU FOR FOR COMING DOWN.
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM K, THE FORECAST.
SURE. WILLIS. OH, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT WE'VE GOT AND WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THIS UP, BUT IN JUNE WE'VE GOT DOCTOR HWANG FROM THE COUNTY DOING THE COST OF HOMELESSNESS PRESENTATION.
BUT I DO WANT TO SEE US HAVE A MORE ROBUST REPORT ON WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING WITH REGARD TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, ADDICTION. YOU KNOW, ANYTHING UNDER THAT PUBLIC HEALTH PURVIEW THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE CITY WITH REGARD TO HOMELESSNESS, AND THEN ALSO ON THE HOUSING VOUCHERS OR OTHER YOU KNOW, BUDGET THAT IS SHARED WITH THE CITY ON THAT AND THEN ON THE HOUSING PROJECTS, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE THIS WRAPPED UP IN, IN ONE PLACE TO KNOW WHAT THAT PARTNERSHIP IS, IS DOING FOR US AND WITH US.
AND WITH THAT IF WE CAN HAVE OUR STAFF REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY TO SEE IF THERE THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO MOVE UP EARLIER, RATHER THAN WAITING TILL TILL JUNE, WE CAN TRY TO GET THEM UP TO MAY.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER BUSINESS? ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS 1137, AND THIS ADJOURNS OUR MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.