May 01, 2024 Council Briefing

TODAY, WE'RE HERE TO BRIEF YOU ON THE WORK.

THAT CHAIR, VAUGHT AND HIS COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMISSION UNDERTOOK TO GET YOU TO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND CHAIR VAUGHT WILL WALK YOU THROUGH EACH OF THEIR PROPOSALS.

ONCE HE HAS DONE THAT, I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE NEXT STEPS.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER NOW TO JAKE TO FIRST DISCUSS THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE COMMISSION AND STAFF OPERATED.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR ROGERS.

HELLO, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JAKE ANDERSON.

I'M A MANAGER IN THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.

IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE TODAY WITH YOU ALL TO TALK ABOUT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS COMMISSION WAS FORMED LAST SUMMER AFTER THE MAYOR ISSUED THE CALL FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS THAT GOVERN THE CHARTERS REVIEW.

SO MEETINGS BEGAN BACK IN SEPTEMBER.

ON SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2023 THE COMMISSION HELD TWO MEETINGS PER MONTH FROM THEN ON.

SO FOR A TOTAL OF 15 MEETINGS GOING THROUGH APRIL, ALL MEETINGS WERE HELD IN THESE CHAMBERS STARTING AT 6:30 P.M.

ON WEEKNIGHTS. AND WE DID HAVE SOME LATE NIGHTS.

BUT THEY WERE STREAMED LIVE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE COMMISSION SOLICITED AMENDMENTS FOR THE PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS, THE FIRST THREE MONTHS THAT THEY WERE MEETING FROM OCTOBER 2023 INTO JANUARY 2024, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT ALL WHO WERE INTERESTED HAD THE OPPORTUNITIES TO LEARN ABOUT THE COMMISSION'S WORK AND TO PROVIDE INSIGHT AND SUGGESTIONS, I'M GOING TO EXPAND ON THE SOLICITATION PROCESS A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I JUST WANT TO TURN OUR ATTENTION REAL QUICK TO THE OTHER THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE

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COMMISSION IN ADDITION TO CHAIR VAUGHT WHO WERE BOTH DEDICATED AND DISCERNING IN THEIR WORK, THEY SPENT OVER HALF A YEAR VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME AND THEIR BANDWIDTH TO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION. SO I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THEM FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY.

SOME OF THEM I KNOW ARE HERE TODAY AND IN THE CROWD.

SO I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF THEM WHO ARE HERE AND ALL OF THEIR COLLEAGUES.

WERE NOT FOR THE HOURS THAT THEY PUT INTO THIS WORK.

I'D LIKE TO JUST DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS ITSELF.

AS YOU CAN SEE DEPICTED ON THIS SLIDE, THE COMMISSION'S WORK IS REALLY JUST ONE PART OF THE OVERALL PROCESS FOR IMPLEMENTING CHANGES WITHIN THE CITY'S CHARTER.

THE COMMISSION HAS HAD A RUNNING LIST OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT THEY REVIEWED OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE MONTHS SOLICITATION PERIOD.

IT WAS SHARED BI WEEKLY.

IT WAS UPDATED DAILY BASED ON WHAT WAS COMING IN SO THAT THEY COULD ALWAYS SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

DURING THAT TIME, THAT EARLY PART OF THE COMMISSION, THEY WERE MEETING TO FORMALIZE THEIR PROCESSES FOR CONSIDERATION, TO HEAR FROM EXPERTS.

FROM THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND CITY GOVERNMENT AND BE BRIEFED ON PARTICULAR TOPICS OF INTEREST.

DURING ALL THIS TIME, SUBMISSIONS WERE BEING REVIEWED BY CITY DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

BEFORE THEY WERE THEN CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION.

THE COMMISSION BEGAN ITS DELIBERATIONS IN EARLY IN EARNEST IN EARLY JANUARY.

AT THAT TIME, THEY AGREED THAT EVERY AMENDMENT SHOULD BE HEARD AND SHOULD RECEIVE A VOTE IN THE CASE OF PROPOSALS THAT WERE, WE KIND OF CONSIDERED UNCHARITABLE.

THE COMMISSION CONSIDERED THEM AS A WHOLE AND ULTIMATELY DECIDED NOT TO ADVANCE THOSE.

ALL OTHER AMENDMENTS WERE THEN PLACED ON AGENDAS FOR CONSIDERATION.

SO BASICALLY, THEY USE THIS, THESE MEETINGS TO START WINNOWING DOWN THE PROPOSALS THAT THEY WISH TO ADVANCE TO YOU.

EITHER VOTING TO INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE SUGGESTIONS FROM FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THE THINGS THAT WERE INCLUDED FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION WERE THEN TAKEN UP AT THE LAST MEETING, THE APRIL 11TH MEETING AS PART OF THEIR FINAL OR THEIR DRAFT FINAL REPORT FOR A FINAL THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN.

THEY FINALIZED AND APPROVED THE REPORT THAT YOU NOW SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS WORK, AND SOMETHING THE COMMISSION EMPHASIZED WAS ROBUST PUBLIC OUTREACH.

WE KNOW THAT THIS SORT OF WORK CAN ONLY HAPPEN WITH ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITIES.

AND SO THE COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO WORK WITH YOU ALL, WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AS PART OF ITS OUTREACH STRATEGY.

WE REACHED OUT TO ALL OF YOUR OFFICES.

WE SCHEDULED TWO ROUNDS OF TOWN HALLS TO RECEIVE INPUT ON THE COMMISSION'S PROCESS AND THEIR WORK.

BEGINNING IN NOVEMBER AND STRETCHING THROUGH MARCH, A TOTAL OF 20 TOWN HALLS WERE HELD ACROSS 11 COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

NOW, MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE TURNOUT WAS NOT VERY HIGH AT THOSE.

WE REALIZED THAT THE CHARTER IS A TOPIC THAT'S HARD TO ENGAGE RESIDENTS ON AND TO DOCUMENT.

THE MOST MAY BE UNAWARE EXISTS, OR EVEN IF THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS, THEY DON'T ENGAGE WITH IT FREQUENTLY, SO IT ISN'T SOMETHING WITH WHICH THEY'RE SUPER FAMILIAR.

THE TOWN HALLS WERE AN ATTEMPT TO INCREASE THAT AWARENESS AND AROUND THE DOCUMENT AND THE ONGOING PROCESS, BUT IT WAS EVIDENT THAT WE NEEDED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE TOWN HALLS ONE THING STAFF DID WAS TO REACH OUT TO INTERESTED STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND COORDINATE MEETINGS WITH THEM TO DISCUSS THE CHARTER AND SOLICIT AMENDMENT SUGGESTIONS.

IN SOME CASES, COMMISSIONERS, IN SOME CASES, STAFF MET WITH MULTIPLE CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER, THE NORTH DALLAS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND THE DALLAS REGIONAL CHAMBER.

DOWNTOWN DALLAS, INC.

LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS IN DALLAS.

AND WE ALSO ATTENDED THE CITY'S EQUITY SYMPOSIUM AT VARIOUS POINTS THROUGHOUT THE THE PROCESS TO INCREASE ENGAGEMENT AND SOLICIT INPUT FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS.

AND THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT THAT AGREED TO HAVE THOSE SORTS OF MEETINGS WITH US.

IN ADDITION, WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH COMS, WERE ABLE TO CREATE SOME, SOME REALLY COOL VIDEOS THAT WERE ANIMATED TO DO OUTREACH WITH BOTH IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH.

I KNOW CHAIR VOUGHT DID AN INTERVIEW WITH NBC 5'S LONE STAR POLITICS.

AND ONE COMMISSIONER EVEN PUBLISHED AN OP ED IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS.

THE OTHER COMPONENT OF OUTREACH THAT I REALLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE APRIL 1ST TELE TOWN HALL.

SO WE WORKED WITH COMS, AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM AS WELL FOR CONNECTING US WITH THE TELEPHONE TOWN HALL VENDOR THAT WE HAVE.

WE USE THAT TO DIAL OVER 15,000 PHONE NUMBERS WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THOSE PHONE NUMBERS WERE EVENLY DIVIDED ACROSS ALL 14 COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

THESE NUMBERS WERE PULLED FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE HIGH FREQUENCY VOTERS.

SO THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE ENGAGED AND GOING DOWN THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER 2024 TO VOTE ON ANY SORT OF CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT WILL BE ON THE BALLOT.

THIS WAS OUR MOST SUCCESSFUL FORM OF DIRECT OUTREACH.

OVER 3000 PEOPLE JOINED THE CALL FOR AT LEAST ONE MINUTE.

NEARLY 300 SAVED FOR STAYED FOR THE ENTIRE HOUR, WHICH WAS ABOVE THE ESTIMATES THAT THE TELEPHONE TOWN HALL VENDORS HAD GIVEN US.

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SO WE WERE WE WERE HAPPY TO GET THAT.

AND WE ALSO GOT TO POLL RESIDENTS ON THEIR OPINIONS REGARDING SOME OF THE, THE PROPOSALS THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

SO WE HAD Q&A.

GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND THIS WAS ALL DONE BOTH IN ENGLISH AND SIMULTANEOUSLY IN SPANISH FOR THOSE WHO WANTED TO JOIN IN SPANISH.

AND FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OUR EARNED MEDIA PRESENCE AS WELL.

IT REALLY PICKED UP ACROSS FEBRUARY AND MARCH.

I'M SURE YOU SAW A LOT OF THE MEDIA.

I HOPE YOU SAW A LOT OF THE MEDIA THAT WAS GOING ON.

YOU KNOW, THEY WERE THEY WERE THE THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE COMMISSION AS THEY REALLY GOT INTO THE MEAT OF THEIR WORK AFTER A SLOW START, YOU KNOW, IN THE FALL, AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET SOME TRACTION AND GET THE WORD OUT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, D MAGAZINE, KERA AND OTHERS WERE REGULARLY FOLLOWING AND UPDATING THEIR READERSHIP ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE BEING HAD AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL.

AND OUR COMS VENDOR WHO TRACKS THAT INFORMATION ESTIMATES THAT TOTAL REACH TOTAL AUDIENCE REACH WAS 103.5 MILLION ACROSS THE SIX MONTHS OF WORK.

SO THAT'S THROUGH APRIL FOR AN ESTIMATED VALUE OF OVER $1 MILLION.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE PUBLIC WEBSITE THAT WE KEPT UPDATED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

THIS WAS THIS SCREENSHOTS FROM NOVEMBER.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS A PLACE TO SUBMIT SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH.

YOU CAN VIEW THE AMENDMENT SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE UPDATED BI WEEKLY.

WE HAD A RESOURCES PAGE WHERE YOU COULD SEE THE CHARTER AND ALL ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE WORK THE COMMISSION WAS DOING, AS WELL AS THE UPCOMING MEETING DATES AND MEETING TIMES ON THE MEETINGS TAB.

NEXT SLIDE. AND SO THE SOLICITATION PROCESS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER LASTED FOR MORE THAN THREE MONTHS.

WE INITIALLY REACHED OUT TO ALL OF THE GROUPS THAT I MENTIONED YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC STAKEHOLDERS.

WE ISSUED MULTIPLE PRESS RELEASES IN OCTOBER AND DECEMBER THAT WERE PICKED UP.

WE ALSO ISSUED BILINGUAL CALLS FOR AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SENT DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO CITY STAFF AND TO COMMUNITY CONTACTS.

THOSE WERE ALL SENT IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH.

THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION WAS ORIGINALLY SET AT DECEMBER 15TH, BUT AGAIN THE COMMISSION EXTENDED THE DEADLINE TO JANUARY 19TH IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY HAD TIME TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INPUT.

EVERY SUGGESTION WAS THEN PLACED ON A COMMISSION AGENDA, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, EXCEPT FOR THOSE THAT WERE WITHDRAWN BY SUBMITTERS.

SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSION RECEIVED 125 TOTAL SUGGESTIONS.

90 OF THOSE AMENDMENTS WERE ULTIMATELY WITHDRAWN OR EXCLUDED FROM CONSIDERATION.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY WERE 35 INDIVIDUAL SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE ADVANCED TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.

NOW, SOME WERE DUPLICATE OR TRIPLICATE SUBMISSIONS.

SO YOU HAVE 30 TOTAL RECOMMENDATIONS LISTED IN THE FINAL REPORT.

THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE LISTED ON THESE UPCOMING SLIDES.

AND OF COURSE CAN BE FOUND IN YOUR FINAL REPORT, WHICH WAS DISTRIBUTED ELECTRONICALLY TO COUNCIL ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, POSTED PUBLICLY ONLINE AND ATTACHED TO THIS PRESENTATION VIA THE AGENDA. YOU ALSO SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED HARD COPIES VIA YOUR OFFICES THIS MORNING.

I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO CHAIR ALAN VAUGHT TO BEGIN WALKING YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATIONS THEMSELVES OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEMSELVES.

THANK YOU. JAKE.

MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TODAY TO VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT WORK.

I WANT TO START BY TELLING YOU ALL.

THANK YOU FOR THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION YOU APPOINTED BECAUSE YOU DID A GREAT JOB NOT JUST SAYING THAT.

IT'S NOT HYPERBOLE.

THIS WAS A PRETTY DIVERSE GROUP.

THAT. AND IT'S NOT ME JUST SAYING THIS.

I'VE HEARD IT FROM MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAME TOGETHER, WORKED IN A COLLABORATIVE MANNER, IN A REALLY EFFICIENT MANNER, AND TOOK ON SOME TOUGH ISSUES, TOOK ON SOME THINGS THAT WERE POLARIZING, FRANKLY, AND HANDLED IT PROFESSIONALLY, COMPETENTLY.

AND I'M JUST VERY PROUD OF THIS GROUP.

I FEEL LIKE YOU COULD TAKE THAT COMMISSION AND PLUG THEM IN AND SOME OTHER ISSUE THE CITY NEEDED, AND THEY COULD PROBABLY TACKLE IT.

THEY WERE JUST THAT GOOD AT WORKING TOGETHER.

SO GREAT WORK.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD OVER THESE NEXT MANY WEEKS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHICH OF THESE PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS YOU WANT TO PUT FORWARD TO THE VOTERS, HOW YOU WANT TO CHANGE THEM, ETC..

I WOULD ASK YOU TO REALLY GIVE STRONG CONSIDERATION TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS COMMISSION.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD 125 PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS, AND ONLY ONLY 35 OF THOSE MADE IT FORWARD TO YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS IS PROCESS ISN'T SO MUCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PUT FORWARD TO YOU, BUT THE THINGS THAT WE LISTEN TO AND DIDN'T PUT FORWARD, I MEAN, THERE WERE A LOT OF PROPOSALS ON PARKS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND PEOPLE GOT EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

THEY WILL COME GET YOU.

SO BE, YOU KNOW, BE RETICENT OF, YOU KNOW, OTHER POTENTIAL CHANGES PEOPLE MENTIONED, BECAUSE WE CONSIDER JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF FROM

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THE PUBLIC FROM OTHER FROM MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, FROM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY.

SO TODAY I WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH, YOU KNOW, BRIEFLY WHAT THOSE 35 PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS ARE.

WE'VE CATEGORIZED ALL SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS AS EITHER TECHNICAL, OPERATIONAL OR POLICY AMENDMENTS.

SO THREE CATEGORIES TECHNICAL OPERATION OR POLICY AND SO THEY'RE SORTED THIS WAY AND THE PRESENTATION FOR EASE.

TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS ARE THOSE THAT DO NOT CHANGE THE WAY THE CITY CURRENTLY OPERATES.

THEY SIMPLY ALIGN THE CHARTER WITH CURRENT CITY PRACTICES, CHANGE THE CHARTER TO REFLECT CURRENT STATE LAW OR OTHERWISE CLEAN UP ERRORS IN THE CHARTER.

OPERATIONAL AMENDMENTS ARE THE SECOND BUCKET AMENDMENT OF AMENDMENTS.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MODIFY THE CITY'S OPERATIONS.

THE FINAL CATEGORY ARE THE POLICY AMENDMENTS, WHICH ARE THE HIGHEST LEVEL AMENDMENTS AND RESULT IN A CHANGE OF THE CITY'S POLICY.

THE FIRST 11 OF THE 35 AMENDMENTS ARE TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS.

YOU KNOW, THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS HAPPENS ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS AND OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD, A LOT CHANGES.

SO A LOT OF THESE SUGGESTIONS WERE BROUGHT TO US, FOR EXAMPLE, BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER REFLECT WHAT CURRENT STATUTORY OR CASE LAW IS HOW THAT'S CHANGED OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS.

A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOME OTHER TECHNICAL CHANGES IS ONE THAT CURRENTLY REQUIRES A CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THEIR BUDGET RECOMMENDATION ON AUGUST 15TH, NOT BY AUGUST 15TH, BUT EXACTLY ON AUGUST 15TH.

SO WE PROPOSE A CHANGE TO SAY THAT THEY SHOULD PROVIDE YOU THAT REPORT BY THAT TIME SO THEY CAN PROVIDE IT BEFORE AUGUST 15TH, BUT NO LATER THAN AUGUST 15TH. OTHER TECHNICAL CHANGES YOU SEE ON THIS CURRENT SLIDE DO NOT ACTUALLY CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT HOW THE CITY OPERATES.

ONE CLARIFIES THAT THE COUNCIL RECEIVED SALARIES AND BENEFITS OUTSIDE OF ITS SALARY.

AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT COMPENSATION OR BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO, AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FRANKLY, THE IN MY OPINION, THE PROPERTY TAXES CAN BE SUFFOCATING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THESE CHANGES, WHETHER IT'S HERE OR SOME OF THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE ONES WITH SALARY, THERE WAS A CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT WE WANT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND DO ALL OF THE WORK THAT REQUIRES SPENT ALL OF THE TIME IT REQUIRES.

AND WE KNOW IT'S A LOT AND NOT BE CONSTRAINED BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY WORK TWO JOBS, WHICH I KNOW ALL ALL OF YOU DO, MANY OF YOU DO.

BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T WANT THE POSITION TO JUST BE FOR THOSE FOR THOSE WHO ARE RETIRED OR INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY, WE WANT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WORKING FAMILY MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS TO HOPEFULLY MAKE BETTER DECISIONS THAT AFFECT EVERYBODY.

THE OTHER TECHNICAL AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER TO BROADEN HOW PEOPLE IN THE CITY DALLAS ARE REFERRED TO FOR EXAMPLE, THE CURRENT CHARTER STATES THAT THE FIRE CHIEF SHOULD TAKE NECESSARY MEASURES TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT, NOR SHOULD THEY STOP AND CHECK THE CITIZENSHIP STATUS OF SOMEONE THEY ARE RESCUING FROM A BURNING BUILDING.

THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

SO IN THAT AMENDMENTS DISTINCT FROM SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ADDRESS BEING AN AUTHORIZED RESIDENT OF DALLAS TO PARTICIPATE ON BOARDS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

THE NEXT GROUP OF AMENDMENTS ARE THE OPERATIONAL AMENDMENTS.

THEY ARE OF THE 35 AMENDMENTS, NINE ARE OPERATIONAL.

THE FIRST WOULD ALLOW MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO ELECT THEIR OWN VICE CHAIRS RATHER THAN COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S THE PROCESS WE ACTUALLY FOLLOWED IN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

THE COMMISSION ELECTED ITS OWN VICE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR MEDRANO, WHO DID A GREAT JOB.

THE SECOND WOULD DELETE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BIDS TO BE OPENED IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

THIS ONE GAVE US SOME PAUSE.

IT SOUNDS A LITTLE ODD. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT? BUT IT CAME. BUT WE LEARNED FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT THIS JUST WE ALREADY HAVE STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES US, AND IT ADDRESSES THIS.

SO WE'RE JUST TAKING THIS OUT OF OUR PROPOSING THIS TO BE TAKEN, TAKEN OUT OF THE CHARTER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT STATE LAW.

THIRD WOULD TREAT REORGANIZATIONS AND REDUCTIONS IN FORCE IN THE SAME MANNER IN REGARDS TO COMPENSATION AND REASSIGNMENT.

THIS WAS SUGGESTED BY CITY STAFF.

AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ALREADY REFLECTS HOW THINGS ARE GENERALLY DONE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

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NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THE NEXT AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO RATHER THAN A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO TO CALL A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE THREE SIGNATURE MEMO WAS INSTITUTED WHEN THE CITY OF DALLAS HAD NINE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THIS AMENDMENT RAISES THE REQUIREMENT TO GET BACK TO, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT THAT PROPORTIONALITY WAS, WHICH IS A ONE THIRD MEMBERSHIP SUPPORTING THAT THAT PROPOSAL.

NEXT, WE HEARD FROM MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THE CITY'S NOTIFICATION PROCESS IS NOT REALLY SUFFICIENT IN MODERN TIMES.

CERTAIN CHARTER PROVISIONS DO REQUIRE THAT NOTICES BE PUBLISHED IN A NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION.

BUT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED ON OTHER WAYS TO BEST EFFECTUATE NOTICE.

THE SMU FIRST AMENDMENT LAW CLINIC WORKED WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S STAFF AND RESIDENTS ON THE LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL REPORT.

YOU HAVE AND ELEMENTS OF THE LANGUAGE ACCESS PLAN WITHIN THE CITY AND AND FOR RACIAL EQUITY.

THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN TO BROADEN THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

IT WOULD ALLOW FOR COMMUNICATIONS PLAN THAT CAN BE UPDATED TO MEET NEEDS OF THE CITY WITHOUT REVISITING THE CHARTER.

EVERY TIME NEW FORMS OF MEDIA OR WAYS CONSUMING THE NEWS ARISE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE INSTEAD OF JUST BEING ONLY ABLE TO ISSUE NOTICE THROUGH THE NEWSPAPER, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA, OTHER ELECTRONIC MEANS THAT REALLY HELP REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S THE GOAL THERE.

ANOTHER HOT DISCUSSION TOPIC WAS THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT AND WHO IT REPORTS TO.

THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH AND ULTIMATELY AGREED WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT AND REPORT DIRECTLY TO YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL. SIMILARLY, THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL SHOULD BE MOVED OUT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND MADE ITS OWN INDEPENDENT OFFICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION OF THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE ON ETHICS REFORM WHICH ESTABLISHED THIS OFFICE.

FINALLY, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER ABOUT THE INTERFERENCE OF CITY COUNCIL WITH APPOINTMENTS AND SUBORDINATES OF THE CITY MANAGER.

THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS DELETING THAT LANGUAGE ENTIRELY.

THAT WAS ONE THAT FIRST IT KIND OF SEEMED A LITTLE OFF TO US, BUT WE UNDERSTAND IN PRACTICE THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S DONE, THAT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL DO TALK WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES AND STAFF MEMBERS.

SO THAT'S THE GOAL HERE.

JUST ALLOW THOSE COMMUNICATIONS.

A FINAL CATEGORY OF AMENDMENTS OR THE POLICY AMENDMENTS.

THERE ARE EIGHT OF THOSE.

THE FIRST TWO RELATE TO THE PETITION PROCESS.

THE COMMISSION AGREED THAT IN DALLAS, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO OTHER TEXAS CITIES, THE PROCESS FOR CITIZEN LED PETITIONS IS TOO ONEROUS.

IT CURRENTLY REQUIRES THAT 10% OF REGISTERED VOTERS SIGN A PETITION WITHIN THE SPAN OF 60 DAYS.

WE RECOMMEND REDUCING THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES REQUIRED FROM 10% TO 5%, AND EXTENDING THE TIME A PETITIONER HAS TO ACQUIRE THOSE SIGNATURES FROM 60 DAYS UP TO 120 DAYS.

THE CURRENT STANDARD REQUIRES ABOUT 70,000 SIGNATURES ACROSS THOSE 60 DAYS, WHICH EQUATES TO OVER 1000 SIGNATURES PER DAY.

THIS WOULD BE MUCH MORE ATTAINABLE AT 35,000 SIGNATURES ACROSS 120 DAYS, OR ABOUT 300 PER DAY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE NUMBERS WE CAME TO ON THAT PROPOSED CHANGE.

EARLIER I MENTIONED SOME CHANGES ABOUT THE WORDING AND HOW WE REFER TO PEOPLE IN DALLAS.

AND A LOT OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS MAKE CHANGES TO USE THE PHRASE AUTHORIZED RESIDENT AS OPPOSED TO CITIZEN OR A REGISTERED VOTER, UNLESS IT'S THAT'S SOMETHING REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, CHANGING WORDS LIKE CITIZENSHIP, PEOPLE CAN GET EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT, RIGHT OR WRONG.

THEY CAN GET VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU ONE REAL WORLD EXAMPLE ON WHY THIS MAKES SENSE.

I SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE FOLLOWED THIS, BUT I TRIED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO GET MY LAST TRANSLATOR OUT OF IRAQ.

I HAD FIVE TRANSLATORS, TWO WERE EXECUTED AND THIS WAS THE LAST ONE WORKED FOR YEARS TO GET OUT.

FINALLY GOT HIM OUT.

AND HE'S NOW A RESIDENT OF DALLAS.

HE'S NOT A CITIZEN.

HE'S NOT A REGISTERED VOTER.

HE WORKS AT AT A SCHOOL AS A SECURITY MONITOR IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND HE'S A GUY THAT YOU WOULD WANT ON ONE OF YOUR COMMISSIONS.

BUT UNDER THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE HE'S NOT A CITIZEN AND HE'S NOT A REGISTERED VOTER.

SO A LOT OF OUR CHANGES ARE ADDRESSING JUST COMMON SENSE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

IF PEOPLE GET UP IN ARMS AND THINK THERE'S SOMETHING NEFARIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CHANGING FROM CITIZEN TO AUTHORIZED RESIDENT, THERE'S NOT.

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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE RECOMMEND ADOPTING LANGUAGE THAT ESTABLISHES A COMMUNITY BOND COMMISSION FOR FUTURE BOND ELECTIONS THAT WOULD ENSURE THE COMMISSION COMPLIES WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE CITY CODE, AND IS APPOINTED BY THE FULL CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE SAME NOMINATION AND APPOINTMENT PROCESS AS MANY OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY.

TWO OF THE COMMISSION'S LARGER, LARGER DISCUSSIONS WERE THE OTHER TWO BULLET ITEMS ON THIS SLIDE.

RANKED CHOICE VOTING WAS ONE.

THAT'S A METHOD FOR CONDUCTING ELECTIONS THAT ALLOWS VOTERS TO RANK THEIR CANDIDATES IN ORDER IN WHICH THEY PREFER, AND USES THAT RANKING TO ELIMINATE THE LOWEST TOTAL VOTE GETTERS UNTIL ONE CANDIDATE HAS RECEIVED A MAJORITY OF THE VOTES.

THIS IS SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS AN INSTANT RUNOFF ELECTION.

RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN TEXAS, SO THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS ADOPTION LANGUAGE WITH A TRIGGER CLAUSE SO THAT SHOULD IT BECOME LEGAL BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE, SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR OR NOT VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR, IT BECOMES LEGALIZED AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AND THE CITY WOULD IMPLEMENT IT.

THE FINAL IS WE RECOMMEND INCREASING THE ANNUAL SALARY FOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL UPON INAUGURATION IN 2025.

THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT SUCH A RAISE IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE POOL OF CANDIDATES FOR CITY COUNCIL IS BOTH DEEP AND WIDE, ADVANCING EQUITABLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, PARENTS, YOUNG PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY TO BE ABLE TO SERVE DALLAS AND I TOUCHED ON THAT A BIT EARLIER.

THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE AN INDEXING COMPONENT, ENSURING THAT PURCHASING POWER DOES NOT ERODE OVER TIME.

SO AGAIN, AS I, YOU KNOW, ALLUDED TO EARLIER ON THIS KIND OF HOT, HOT BUTTON ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS NOT TO ENRICH PUBLIC OFFICIALS, BUT RATHER TO ENSURE THAT CITIZENS FROM ACROSS DALLAS CAN SERVE ON THE CITY COUNCIL, FROM SINGLE WORKING PARENTS TO MID-CAREER PROFESSIONALS OR RETIREES, WHILE ALSO ENFORCING THE EXPECTATION THAT THE WORK OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS TRULY A FULL TIME COMMITMENT, WHICH IT HAS BECOME OVER THE PAST MANY YEARS.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, EVOLVED A LOT FROM 1970S DALLAS, RIGHT.

IT'S A VERY, VERY DEMANDING OCCUPATION OR POSITION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REPLACE APPOINTEES TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PRIOR TO THE COMPLETION OF THE MEMBERS TERM.

SEEMED LIKE THIS WAS ALREADY SOMETHING YOU COULD DO.

BUT THIS LANGUAGE IS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT BOARD MEMBERS CAN BE REPLACED AND IT PROVIDES A PROCESS FOR DOING THAT.

FINALLY, WE RECOMMENDED ADDING ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR SERVING ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

THIS WAS ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED, BUT NOT INCLUDED ON THE BALLOT IN THE 2014 CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS.

AND AND BY THE WAY, WE HAD YOU KNOW, MANY GROUPS THAT CAME AND VISITED WITH US.

WE ALSO HAD REPRESENTATIVE ANCHIA, WHO WAS THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE LAST COMMISSION, COME AND TALK TO US.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT VERY HIGHLY, I THINK HE CAME AND SPOKE TO US TWICE.

HE WAS SO HELPFUL.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE 2014 CHARTER REVIEW, BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE IT PAST THE COUNCIL TO GET ON THE BALLOT.

BUT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.

SOME OF THE THE CRITERIA, IT'S REALLY, I GUESS I WOULD SAY MORE OF A RESTRICTION WHO CAN BE ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

SOME OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, FOR EXAMPLE, ELIMINATE LOBBYISTS FROM BEING ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, SPOUSES OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, ETC..

AND WITH THAT FINAL ITEM, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO KERRY.

THANK YOU. CHAIR.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THIS COUNCIL IS NOW TASKED WITH DETERMINING WHAT CHARTER AMENDMENTS WILL ADVANCE TO VOTERS IN NOVEMBER.

RIGHT NOW, YOUR LAST SCHEDULED MEETING PRIOR TO COUNCIL RECESS IS JUNE 26TH, WHICH IS THE DATE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS SCHEDULING THE ORDINANCE TO CALL THE ELECTION.

HOWEVER, THE LEGAL DEADLINE IS AUGUST 19TH TO CALL THE ELECTION.

ON THIS SLIDE, YOU WILL SEE THE PLANNED MEETING DATES BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL RECESS THAT COULD FEATURE DISCUSSION ON CHARTER AMENDMENTS.

THERE ARE THREE BRIEFINGS IN THE VOTING AGENDA WHICH I MENTIONED ON THE LAST SLIDE.

WE RECOMMEND USING THESE THREE BRIEFINGS TO REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE COMMISSION, AND THEN CONSIDER FURTHER AMENDMENTS RECOMMENDED BY YOU, THE COUNCIL. THE FEEDBACK YOU GIVE DURING THESE DELIBERATIONS WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO A FINAL ORDINANCE, WHICH WE RECOMMEND SCHEDULING FOR A VOTE ON JUNE 26TH. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE A TIMELINE OF THE RECOMMENDED PROCESS FOR CONSIDERATION.

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JUST AT A GLANCE, THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION YOU JUST SAW.

IN AN EASIER VISUAL.

TODAY YOU ARE SIMPLY RECEIVING THE COMMISSION'S REPORT AND WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS.

BEGINNING MAY 15TH, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, BEGINNING WITH THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU ALSO SEE ON MAY 15TH, A DEADLINE, A PROPOSED DEADLINE, TO SUBMIT ANY AMENDMENTS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, BUT WHICH ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU. WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE TO DISCUSS PROPOSED PROCESS A LITTLE FURTHER.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING SETTING A DEADLINE OF WEDNESDAY, MAY 15TH, 5 P.M.

FOR YOU TO SUBMIT ANY AMENDMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE COMMISSION'S REPORT.

THIS DEADLINE DOES NOT PERTAIN TO ITEMS WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S REPORT, ONLY TO NEW ITEMS YOU'D LIKE ADDED AS BALLOT PROPOSITIONS.

ANY AMENDMENTS THAT YOU MAKE AFTER THE DEADLINE WOULD PROPOSE TO BE FLOOR AMENDMENTS.

THE DEADLINE WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED BY OUR OFFICE, SO PLEASE DO NOT WAIT TO GET YOUR AMENDMENTS IN.

AS I MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, ON MAY 15TH, YOU WILL BE BEGIN REVIEWING THE 30 SUGGESTIONS THAT CHAIR VOUGHT JUST LAID OUT FOR YOU.

IF YOU WISH TO AMEND OR DELETE THOSE, YOU COULD PROPOSE IT DURING THE MEETING AND STRAW VOTE ON EACH ITEM.

OF COURSE, WE WOULD LOVE FOR THIS PROCESS TO ONLY TAKE A FEW BRIEFINGS, BUT WE KNOW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE REALISTIC.

WE'VE LISTED SOME SUGGESTED DATES FOR SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS IN JUNE IF NEEDED FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND WHY ARE WE PROPOSING A DEADLINE? THE DEADLINE ALLOWS STAFF AND THE ATTORNEYS TO DO THEIR WORK PRIOR TO MEETING LEGAL DEADLINES.

THIS FRIDAY, THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS WILL SEND OUT A MEMO DESCRIBING THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE JUST LAID OUT, PENDING ANY ADDITIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU, AS A COUNCIL, MAY HAVE TODAY.

INCLUDING THAT FEEDBACK.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO REACH OUT TO MYSELF, JAKE ANDERSON, AND OF COURSE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHO HAVE BEEN SO GREAT TO WORK WITH THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

WITH THAT, WE CONCLUDE OUR PRESENTATION AND WE TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.

YOU MEAN ME AND THE COUNCIL OR THE CHAIRMAN? OVER. OKAY, SO YOU GUYS ARE FINISHED.

WELL I JUST WANT TO SAY FIRST THANK YOU TO CHAIRMAN VAUGHT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING WILLING TO DO THIS FOR YOUR CITY.

WASN'T OBVIOUSLY AN EASY TASK TO PUT IN PLACE A PROCESS AND A TO PUT TOGETHER A, A, A MECHANISM TO GET ALL THE INPUT WITHOUT APPEARING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TO BE BIASING IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION, BUT HOW THE CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE WAS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND EVERY HOPE THAT I HAD FOR HOW IT WOULD BE HANDLED YOU MET AND EXCEEDED.

I ASKED YOU TO DO IT BECAUSE I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH YOUR DISTINGUISHED SERVICE IN AUSTIN, YOUR DISTINGUISHED SERVICE HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL ON OUR VETERANS COMMISSION, BUT ALSO THE WORK YOU DID TO HELP, YOU KNOW, THE WORLD WITH WHAT YOU DID IN IRAQ AND FALLUJAH AND RUNNING THAT CITY ESSENTIALLY AS THE MAYOR OF THAT CITY DURING A VERY OBVIOUSLY CHALLENGING TIME.

SO YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB HERE IN TERMS OF GETTING ALL THE INPUT FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT THE COUNCIL APPOINTED.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL FOR DISCHARGING YOUR DUTIES SO ABLY AND FOR THIS REPORT. AND WITH THAT, I ALSO WANT TO ADD TO THE STAFF THAT SUPPORTED THIS EFFORT.

AGAIN, HERCULEAN EFFORT, WELL DONE.

THANK YOU SO, SO MUCH.

AND I THINK AT THIS POINT YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO DO OURS.

AND SO THIS IS THE OFFICIAL BEGINNING, Y'ALL, OF THE PART WHERE WE SORT OF TAKE THE FOOTBALL AND DO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT, BUT THEY HAVE HANDED IT TO US NOW. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR GIVING US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.

NOW WHAT WE DO WITH IT, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR FOR DOING YOUR JOB.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY IN RESPONSE TO THAT REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE I ACTUALLY GO TO CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ FOR FIVE MINUTES.

BUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE..

NOTHING FURTHER, I, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO COME BACK AND VISIT SHOULD SHOULD YOU ALL NEED THAT?

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I MEAN, WE'RE FORTUNATE THOUGH TO HAVE AMAZING STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO GREAT MEMBERS ON THE COMMISSION, WE HAD GREAT STAFF THAT MADE THIS PROCESS THAT COULD BE REALLY CHALLENGING GO A LOT SMOOTHER THAN IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE.

SO IT'S IN GOOD HANDS.

AND CAN I JUST ADD A BIG THANK YOU TO LAURA AND WILLOW AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR THEIR PHENOMENAL WORK.

WE COULD NOT BE HERE WITHOUT THEM SPECIFICALLY.

SO JAKE, CARRIE.

YOU'RE SITTING AT THE AT THE DAIS.

I WANT TO THANK YOU PUBLICLY, BUT EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON THIS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AS YOU MENTIONED BY NAME, AND THE FOLKS WE DID MENTION BY NAME THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FOR HELPING US DISCHARGE OUR DUTY UNDER THE CHARTER.

AND AGAIN, CHAIRMAN VAUGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WILLING TO DO THIS ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS.

AND I THINK YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB.

NOW, WITH THAT, CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, ARE YOU READY? YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. EVERYONE, WE'RE ON ITEM.

WE SHOULD BE ON ITEM A OF OUR BRIEFING.

IS IT ITEM A? ITEM A.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. FIRST I WANT TO START OFF BY THANKING YOU, CHAIR VAUGHT, FOR LEADING THIS CHARGE AND TAKING THE HELM.

IT'S NOT EASY, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE GUIDELINES ON HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS OR WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

WE DISCUSSED IT YESTERDAY IN MY MEETING WITH MY MY QUICK BRIEFING BEFORE TODAY.

SO THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.

IT WAS DIVERSE, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, AND THEY HANDLED A MANY REALLY DIFFICULT ITEMS. AND I WATCHED SOME OF THEM, AND I DIDN'T THINK SOME OF THEM WERE FAIR, THE WAY YOU ALL WERE TREATED BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON SOME OF THEM.

BUT YOU ALL HANDLED IT WELL.

YOU YOU KEPT TO YOUR TASK AND YOU FORWARDED US, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, A FOOTBALL.

AND NOW WHAT WE DO WITH IT IS WHAT WE DO WITH IT.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT.

AND I ALSO HAVE I HAVE TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO THE VICE CHAIR, WHICH WAS THE HONORABLE ADAM MEDRANO, WHO REPRESENTED DISTRICT SIX.

HE'S NOT HERE IN THE CHAMBER.

I KNOW HE'S WATCHING SOMEWHERE, BUT THANK HIM AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW THE TWO OF YOU WERE A PRETTY GOOD TEAM AS FAR AS WORKING TOGETHER AND MAKING SURE THAT THE COMMISSION KEPT GOING AND DOING THE THINGS THAT IT NEEDED.

EVEN WHEN COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T AGREE, YOU ALL WERE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING HELD TIGHT AND THE SHIP KEPT GOING AND DOING ITS TASK.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, TO CARRIE AND JAKE, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK AS STAFF AND OUR ATTORNEYS, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THANK YOU ALL. YOU ALL YOU ALL KNOW HOW MUCH RESPECT I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS.

SO I'M HERE WE GO.

I'M NORMALLY DON'T JUMP IN ON THESE THINGS EARLY.

BUT THIS TIME I NEEDED TO, MR. MAYOR. AND THIS IS WHY.

I WANTED TO ASK OR NOT SAY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF BUGGED ME IS THAT WE AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS NOW, AND I WANT TO MAYBE WORK ON THIS NEXT AFTER WE GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS TO REALLY SET UP THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THE PROCESS FOR THIS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CHARTER, THE CHARTER REVIEW, WE'VE DONE IT FOR REDISTRICTING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT FOR THE BOND.

YOU KNOW, BOND TASK FORCES IS WE REALLY SHOULD CODIFY SOMETHING WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, BECAUSE I HAD NO IDEA THROUGH HISTORY THAT 2005 WAS WHEN THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED, THAT WE DO IT EVERY DECADE. CHARTER REVIEW.

AND SO REALLY, CHAIRMAN VAUGHT, YOU AND YOUR GROUP ARE THE SECOND EVER CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IS WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, IF THAT'S CORRECT, AM I INCORRECT OR?..

THEY'RE THE SECOND ONES ON THE TEN YEAR INTERVAL, YES.

SINCE IT WAS CODIFIED THAT WE DO IT.

OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOME FORM OF A PROCESS THAT ALSO THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT UP AS THEY GO AS WELL.

I'M NOT SAYING WHAT IT WOULD BE, BUT I THINK THAT'S I DON'T WANT TO DO IT FAST JUST IN THE FUTURE SO THAT YOU GUYS, IT'S FAIR FOR WHOEVER'S ON THAT COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS.

WE FORGET REALLY QUICKLY WHAT HAPPENED TEN YEARS AGO.

AND HOW MANY WERE IN THIS ROOM TEN YEARS AGO WHEN THE LAST ONE HAPPENED? I WASN'T. I DON'T THINK THE THREE OF YOU WERE.

SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO SAY.

BUT STILL, I THINK IT WOULD REALLY SMOOTH AND REALLY WELL, AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE A SORT OF A PROCESS TO GO OFF OF SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THESE THINGS HAPPEN, HAPPEN WELL YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR US TO DO SO, THAT TAKES ME TO MY NEXT THING.

YOU ALL MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT STRAW POLLING AT THE NEXT MEETING, OR THE NEXT BRIEFING.

WHY STRAW POLLING AND NOT AN ACTUAL UP OR DOWN VOTE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, IF YOU ARE NOT TAKING A FINAL VOTE ON AN ACTION, BUT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS, FOR INSTANCE, AT THIS STARTING POINT, THEN YOU CAN GO INTO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEY MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AND THEN YOU'LL MAKE YOUR FINAL ACTION ON THE 26TH.

SO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DO IT ALL IN ONE DAY.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

[01:45:02]

I'M OPPOSED TO STRAW POLLING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, MR. MAYOR, IS THAT WE'VE DONE STRAW POLLING BEFORE ON OTHER ITEMS, AND THEN IT GETS OUT INTO TO THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND INTO THE MEDIA AND THE PUBLIC, AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO VOTED WHICH WAY. AND IT'S LIKE, OH, WELL, WE DIDN'T VOTE.

WE STRAW POLLED.

AND IT'S LIKE, SO IT'S KIND OF IT'S NOT TRANSPARENT ENOUGH IN MY OPINION, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DOCUMENT AS IMPORTANT AS THE CHARTER.

THE CHARTER IS OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT.

THERE'S NOTHING GREATER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS THAN OUR CHARTER.

OUR CHARTER IS IT'S I, IT'S I DON'T I'M TRYING TO SAY IT WITHOUT SAYING A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. SO I'M NOT HAPPY.

DID THE COMMISSION DO ANY STRAW POLLING WHEN IT WAS WORKING ON WHAT IT WAS DOING? NOT, TO MY RECOLLECTION.

VERY GOOD. AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO STRAW PULLING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M A BIG ON, ALSO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS, MR. MAYOR, THAT AND WHEN WE MOVE THINGS FORWARD AS WE GO INTO THE FUTURE, IT'S LIKE WE'LL STRAW POLL, BUT YOU CAN STILL BRING THESE ITEMS BACK.

SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO VOTE AT THE END.

I WAS TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN ORDER TO HAVE THE ORDINANCE READY FOR THE FINAL, WHICH I'M TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.

I WANT TO MAKE THINGS SMOOTH AND EASY FOR STAFF AND FOR US.

BUT IF WE CAN STILL TO BRING THINGS TO THE FLOOR AT THE LAST SECOND, WE CAN STILL DO THINGS ON THE FLOOR THAT WE DIDN'T QUOTE UNQUOTE POLL OR EVEN REVIEW AND VOTE ON THEM AT THAT DAY. SO TO ME, IT'S LIKE YOU TAKE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR ORDINANCE READY TO GO.

AND IF WE KILL THINGS AND YOU CAN STRIKE THEM OR AMEND THEM OR WHATEVER HAPPENS, BUT I'D RATHER WORK FROM A WHOLE DOCUMENT, BACKWARDS OR FORWARDS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THAN WORKING FROM ONE WAY TO THE OTHER.

SO THAT'S THAT WAS STRAW POLLING.

AND I'M GOING TO COME BACK FOR A SECOND ROUND BECAUSE I DO HAVE THINGS ON THE OTHER ITEMS, BUT THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I REALLY THAT REALLY STUCK OUT FOR ME ON THIS ONE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY.

I THINK MAY I CLARIFY? YEAH. AN ANSWER.

SO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DID FOLLOW.

THEY DIDN'T GO INTO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, BUT THEY DID FOLLOW A POLLING PROCESS.

EVERY TIME THEY VOTED, THEY WOULD ACCUMULATE WHAT THEY HAD, AND THEN THEY VOTED ON THE FINAL PRODUCT AT THE END TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO WHILE THEY DIDN'T GO INTO A COMMITTEE, THE WHOLE THEY DID FOLLOW A SIMILAR PROCESS.

AND MR. MAYOR, I'M JUST GOING TO I KNOW I AM, BUT JUST IF I MAY JUST THEY BUT THEY DID VOTE.

AND THAT WAS THE THING IS, WE HAVE THE RECORD OF HOW THEY VOTED IN ORDER TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD AND NOT FORWARD WITH THE STRAW POLL.

WE DON'T. SO THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SORRY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY. WELL, LOOK, GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL THIS CLARIFIED TODAY.

SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL LIKE I'M ONLY MOVING ALONG BECAUSE I WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE OTHER MEMBERS, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOUR QUESTIONS GO UNADDRESSED.

SO WE'LL HAVE AS MANY ROUNDS AS WE NEED TO, AND I'M SURE SOMEONE ELSE WILL BE WILLING TO TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU DIDN'T GET TO ASK TODAY IF YOU RAN OUT OF TIME SOMEHOW, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WILL. SO I'M GOING TO MISS BLACKMON NOW FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TASK AND TAKING THE CALL.

IT'S IN ALL THE COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE I DID WATCH ONLINE AND IT WAS IT WAS VERY CIVIL.

IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION AND I THINK A ROBUST UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE WANT OUR CITY TO GO, BUT I DO I DON'T HAVE ANY LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE GOT FIVE.

BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND SOME ITEMS HERE BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHEN WE LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS, IT KIND OF TAKES AWAY THE SPIRIT OF WHAT A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS BY THE INTERFERING.

AND I GUESS THAT WAS THE THE DEFINITION THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE INTERFERING TO ME IS PROHIBITING WORK.

BUT DISCUSSING OR CALLING IS A DIFFERENT CONCEPT.

SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COMMISSION WAS BY STRIKING THAT LANGUAGE? I GUESS I'LL SAY AGAIN ON THIS, IT SOUNDS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS WE WERE TRYING TO DO.

RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE PROHIBITION FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS INTERFERING WITH CITY COUNCIL STAFF, THAT SOUNDS BAD, RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE CHARTER WAS WRITTEN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, WAS PROHIBITED.

AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, TOO, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, SOME STATEMENTS FROM FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IN PRACTICE, THAT'S NOT JUST HOW IT HAPPENS THAT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL DO TALK WITH REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND SO THAT'S THE GOAL OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS JUST TO REFLECT WHAT THE REAL CURRENT PRACTICE IS, NOT TO ALL OF A SUDDEN OPEN THE DOOR AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE HARASSED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT JUST TO OPEN COMMUNICATIONS.

I SUPPOSE THE WORDING COULD BE CHANGED IN A WAY THAT MIGHT MAKE IT SEEM A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE ON FIRST BLUSH IT DOES SOUND A LITTLE ODD, I AGREE.

WHAT WAS THE FINAL VOTE ON THAT?

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THE FINAL VOTE ON THAT WAS 10 TO 4.

OKAY. WITH FOUR OPPOSING.

TACTICALLY SPEAKING, COUNCIL MEMBER MY RECOLLECTION IS THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED BY A RESIDENT WAS TO STRIKE THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, AND JUST BEFORE THE VOTE WAS TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION, THERE WAS A AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT, IF YOU WILL, TO STRIKE THAT ENTIRE SECTION, WHICH AFFECTS THE WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN INTERFERE WITH THE EMPLOYMENT OF EMPLOYEES HERE.

SO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT WAS STRIKING THE LAST SECTION.

AND, JAKE, PLEASE CORRECT ME.

YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION THAT WAS INITIALLY PROVIDED, WAS TO STRIKE THE LAST SECTION AND THEN THE THE ADDITION WAS TO ADD THE ENTIRE SECTION, SO THE ENTIRE SECTION WOULD BE STRIKED. AND CAN WE GET I GUESS SOME CLARIFICATION.

I MEAN, AND I'LL WORK WITH YOU CARRIE IN YOUR OFFICE.

BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT DOES THE RIPPLE EFFECT AND I GET THAT YOU, YOU WANT TO CREATE WHAT IS WHAT'S BEING PRACTICED.

BUT WHAT I'M AFRAID IS AS WE EVOLVE, YOU KNOW, CHANGES ARE AROUND THE COUNCIL.

IT BECOMES MORE OF A ALDERMAN TYPE ATMOSPHERE VERSUS A CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER ATMOSPHERE.

AND THAT WAS THE INTENT OF WHY WE CHANGED THE CITY TO THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT IN THE 1900S, EARLY 1900S IS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM US HAVING TO BASICALLY MANAGE A GROUP, IF YOU WILL, AND DICTATE ON THE BASIS OF MAYBE THAT THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR JOBS.

AND THAT'S SO THAT'S THE SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND BY STRIKING THAT, BECAUSE IN MY EYES, WE ESSENTIALLY CREATE 15 MINI MAYORS AND KIND OF STRONG MAYORS, IF YOU WILL, IF WE CAN DICTATE RESOURCES AND TAKE IT OUT OF THE CITY MANAGER'S HANDS.

TO ME, WE'RE CHANGING OUR GOVERNMENT AND I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL GOING THERE.

AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS BUILDING WAY TOO LONG TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T TALK TO ANY I REALLY DON'T TALK TO ANYBODY BUT DIRECTORS AND ABOVE.

AND MAYBE JUST I GO TO THE ACMS. THAT'S WHAT WAS INSTILLED IN ME.

AND IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE DO FEEL THEY COULD BE THEIR JOB COULD BE AT AT RISK.

AND IF THEY DON'T DO AS I SAY, AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE CASE AT ALL, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A WORK SCHEDULE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE DONE AND THEY'RE HELD ACCOUNTABLE BY THEIR BOSS.

AND IF I'M PUTTING MY HAND INTO THAT, WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO TO THE ORGANIZATION? SO THAT'S MY THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE DISCUSSION OF HOW DID IT, LIKE WERE THOSE EVER DISCUSSED.

BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAD A STAFF MEMBER.

YOU ALSO HAD AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, TOO, I THINK.

I MEAN, SO YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND THIS BUILDING.

YEAH. IT DID NOT COME UP IN THE CONTEXT OF, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

AND I'LL TELL EVERYBODY THAT THERE WERE AMENDMENTS TO CHANGE THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT WERE WERE DISCUSSED AND RESOUNDLY DEFEATED.

AND ARE NOT BEFORE YOU IN THE 35 PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

SO THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

AND AGAIN, FROM THE INPUT WE GOT FROM PEOPLE WHO SAT HERE AND TALKED TO US ABOUT IT, IT WAS TO JUST REFLECT KIND OF HOW BUSINESS IS DONE RIGHT NOW AND COMMUNICATION.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE REWARDED IN A WAY TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, QUOTE UNQUOTE, INTERFERE, HARASS WHATEVER WORD MIGHT BE CHOSEN FOR, YOU KNOW, REPRESENT OUR MEMBERS OF THE CITY CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, YOU CAN'T TALK TO THEM, YOU CAN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THEM.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL OF THIS AMENDMENT, AS I RECALL.

AND I DO WANT TO JUST MENTION THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE PROVIDED A MEMO TO THE COMMISSION.

AND THIS WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT MEMO.

AS FAR AS TAKING A STANCE AGAINST A PROPOSAL WE HAVE THAT MEMO THAT WE CAN PASS OUT.

IT WAS IT WAS. INITIALLY DIRECTED TO THE COMMISSION, BUT WE CAN ALSO GET THAT CLEANED UP AND SEND YOU SEND YOU SOME NEW INFORMATION, BUT WE'LL GET THAT PASSED OUT.

RIGHT NOW, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT I'M WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THE INTENT WAS AND WHAT THE WHAT AS ACTUALLY PRACTICE COULD BE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE VERY WELL UNDERSTOOD BEFORE WE PUT IT OUT THERE, BECAUSE I DID PUT INTERFERING IN THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IS INTERFERING IS VERY KEY TO THAT. OKAY.

ON THE NEXT THING IS WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING WITH THEIR PETITIONS? I MEAN, 60 DAYS SEEMS SHORT, 120 DAYS SEEM LONG, TEN SEEMS MORE, FIVE SEEMS LESS LIKE WHAT HAVE OTHER CITIES HAVE IN THERE? AND IF YOU CAN GET ME THAT LATER.

BUT IS THAT THE SWEET SPOT? SHOULD IT BE 90 DAYS AND 7%? WE CAN GET YOU SOME SPECIFICS LATER, BUT I DO KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, DALLAS LAST SUCCESSFUL PETITION WAS, YES, IN 2007.

IF YOU LOOK AT EVERY OTHER MAJOR CITY IN TEXAS, IT'S BEEN WITHIN THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS, GENERALLY JUST GOING BACK TO ABOUT 2019.

AND SO WE HAVE WE KNOW WE HAVE A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD THAN OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS.

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AND I CAN GET YOU THE SPECIFIC..

I THINK A COMPARISON I THINK WOULD BE WOULD BE GOOD ON THAT ONE.

AND ALSO TOO, SO IF WE, WE HAVE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, THE OFFICE, IF WE HAVE ALL OF THEM THAT ARE LISTED HERE PUT TO REPORT TO US, WE HAVE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, WHICH I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT, THE COMMUNITY POLICING AND WASN'T WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE? I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND THE DIRECTOR, THE OFFICER OF THAT BOARD.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS THE AND THE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

AND THEN ISN'T THERE ANOTHER ONE? THERE ARE TWO. TWO PROPOSED IT WOULD BE THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT AND THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL.

SO SIX, WE WOULD HAVE A SIX THAT WE WOULD HAVE REPORTING TO US, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO HIRE THEM AND GIVE THEM DIRECTION OF WHAT WE WANT TO.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SEVEN TOTAL IF YOU INCLUDE THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE CITY SECRETARY, CITY AUDITOR.

CORRECT. RIGHT.

OKAY. I JUST THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THAT ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, YOU HAVE THEM ELECTING THEIR OWN VICE CHAIR, BUT THEN IS IN IT STATED.

BUT THEN YOU WANT. BUT CURRENTLY WE PUT THE VICE CHAIR, BUT YOU WANTING TO US TO CONSIDER ALLOWING THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO DO THE VICE CHAIR SHOULD THEY ALL BE THIS. I MEAN, I GUESS BECAUSE THE COMMISSION IS DOING THAT, THEN THAT ONE WOULD OVERRIDE THAT.

THE BECAUSE IT SAYS ELECT SHALL ELECT ONE MEMBER TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR.

SO IF WE KEPT IT THE SAME AND STRUCK THAT ONE OUT, THEY WOULD STILL ELECT THEIR VICE CHAIR.

WE'D HAVE TO TAKE OUT THAT.

IT'S ON PAGE 23 OF THE BOOK.

JUST A THOUGHT THAT THOSE TWO ARE CONNECTED, THAT THAT COMMISSION WOULD STILL ELECT ITS VICE CHAIR TO BE CONSISTENT.

IS THAT THE REDISTRICTING? YES, SIR. SECTION FIVE OF CHAPTER FOUR.

I BELIEVE IT WAS THE COMMISSION'S GOAL TO MAKE THAT CHANGE OR PROPOSED CHANGE EVERYWHERE WE COULD, TO LET THE COMMISSION PICK ITS OWN VICE CHAIR.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S 1 OR 2 THAT WE MISSED, BUT THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THAT WHEREVER THEY WANT AS THEY CHOOSE.

WHEN YOU'RE READING THE REPORT, THE CHARTER AMENDMENT LANGUAGE LAYS OUT EACH INDIVIDUAL SECTION WHERE THIS WOULD THIS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED.

SO ON PAGE 23 YOU SEE IT FOR THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

BUT IF YOU GO TO CIVIL SERVICE BOARD OR PARK BOARD YOU WOULD SEE THAT AS WELL.

THESE THIS IS FOR THE THE ITEMS IN THE CITY CHARTER, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS THE CHARTER, BUT IT CAN APPLY ALSO TO THE.

SO IF WE DECIDE AS A BODY NOT TO PUT THAT TO GO FORWARD, THAT WE STILL ELECT THE VICE CHAIRS, IT WOULD BE STRICKEN FROM ALL OF THOSE BOARDS.

YOU COULD YOU COULD TAKE THOSE ALL I SHOULD ASK.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

FURTHER TO THE ISSUE ABOUT THE PROHIBITION ON CITY COUNCIL INTERFERING WITH APPOINTMENTS AND SUBORDINATES I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO TALK TO STAFF MEMBERS.

WE DO THAT EVERY DAY NOW, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE INTERFERE WITH THEM.

AND SO I THINK PERHAPS THAT CAN BE LEFT IN AS A PROHIBITION.

BUT THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION OF HOW DO YOU DEFINE INTERFERENCE? IS PICKING UP THE PHONE AND TALKING TO A STAFF MEMBER.

COULD THAT BE DEFINED AS INTERFERENCE OR JUST FACT GATHERING? SO I THINK THE USE OF THE TERM INTERFERE IS FRAUGHT WITH DIFFICULTY.

DEFINITIONALLY. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE IMMORTALIZED IN THE CHARTER OUR RIGHT TO TALK DIRECTLY TO STAFF MEMBERS WITHOUT HAVING TO FIRST GO TO THE DIRECTOR OF THAT DEPARTMENT.

EVERY TIME WE WANT TO TALK TO A SUBORDINATE AND ASK THEIR PERMISSION THAT'S UNNECESSARILY CUMBERSOME.

AND IT TAKES UP TOO MUCH OF THE DIRECTOR'S TIME IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

I FRANKLY DON'T THINK THE DIRECTORS THAT I'M USED TO DEALING WITH HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US TALKING TO THEIR SUBORDINATES.

AND IN FACT, MANY TIMES THEY REFER US TO THEIR SUBORDINATES.

SO THAT'S KIND OF MY POSITION ON THAT.

BUT ANOTHER IMPLICATION RAISED BY THIS ISSUE AND THE CITY MANAGER'S MEMO OF MARCH 4TH STATING THAT ONE OF THE MAJOR TENANTS OF THE CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS THAT STAFFING APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE INDEPENDENT FROM POLITICAL INFLUENCE OR PATRONAGE, ARE THE PROVISION THAT THE THE THE CHARTER COMMISSION HAS ADDED IN TAB D, WHICH IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW SET THE SALARIES FOR THE AUDITOR'S EMPLOYEES.

NOW, BEFORE GETTING INTO THE MERITS OF THAT, I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROVISION IN THE CHARTER WHICH YOUR COMMISSION DID NOT ADDRESS.

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THAT MAKES THAT SAME PROVISION WITH REGARD TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

WE HAVE NEVER DONE THAT.

WHY IS THAT IN THE CHARTER? AND ISN'T THAT MAKING THE STAFF MEMBERS IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COUNCIL? THAT IS WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS AGAINST HERE.

YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD DEFER MY RESPONSE ON THAT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.

I'M, CAN I REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION OR JUST CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION? THE ADDITION THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CITY SECRETARY WAS JUST FOR FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO HIRE EMPLOYEES.

IT WASN'T IT WASN'T CONSISTENT ACROSS THE FOUR APPOINTED OFFICES.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE WAS FOR.

BUT THE CHARTER GIVES THE CITY COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO SET SALARIES FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.

AND IN FACT, YOU DO THAT EVERY YEAR AS PART OF YOUR BUDGET PROCESS.

NO, WE DON'T SET SALARY LEVELS.

YOU DO. YOU SET RANGES AND YOU PROVIDE THE DEPARTMENTS WITH THOSE.

THOSE THE AMOUNTS FOR THE SALARIES.

WELL, NOT INDIVIDUAL BY INDIVIDUAL.

WE MET YOU DO YOU? FOR EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND.

SO AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS WE DEVELOP EVERY YEAR, THE SALARY, WHAT WE CALL THE CLASSIFICATION SCHEDULE, IT HAS EVERY SINGLE POSITION.

IT HAS THE MIDPOINT, THE MINIMUM, THE MIDPOINT AND THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE THEN MAKING SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE DOING IT WITHIN THOSE RANGES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED AS PART OF THE BUDGET.

SO IT IS A PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS AND IT'S A SCHEDULE THAT'S INCLUDED.

WELL, OKAY.

THIS IMPLIES THAT WE'RE INDICATING MARY WELLS IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE IS GOING TO MAKE THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE COMING YEAR.

AND SO IF IT'S JUST SETTING THE RANGES FOR THE SALARIES FOR TYPES OF POSITIONS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS IMPLIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING EMPLOYEE REVIEWS, BASICALLY FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THESE DEPARTMENTS AND TELL THEM WHAT SALARY THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE. THAT'S WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO.

NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT AMENDMENT IS.

WELL, DOES THIS CHARTER PROVISION ENABLE THAT? NO. OKAY.

I THINK THE LANGUAGE OF IT WOULD DO THAT.

WELL, LET ME MOVE ON.

THERE IS A PROVISION IN TAB E IN.

CHAPTER 11 THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY WOULD ELEVATE THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL ABOVE EVERY OTHER CITY DEPARTMENT BY REQUIRING A THREE QUARTER VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO REDUCE THEIR BUDGET.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD YOU SET SUCH A HIGH BARRIER THAT WOULD PREVENT US POTENTIALLY IN A YEAR OF REDUCED REVENUE, WHERE WE HAVE TO CUT THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE ACROSS THE BOARD BUDGET CUTS? BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A THREE FOURTHS VOTE IN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE.

WHY ARE THEY SO SPECIAL? SO IF I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION CORRECTLY FROM THE COMMISSION THE REASON THAT THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED WAS THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO PROTECT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

IF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL THEY TALKED ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THIS INSPECTOR GENERAL WAS INVESTIGATING MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT INVESTIGATION TO BE COMPROMISED. AND SO THEY WANTED TO CREATE A HIGH A HIGH BAR TO REMOVE THE PERSON WHO THEORETICALLY COULD BE INVESTIGATING COUNCIL MEMBERS, HOWEVER THEY WANTED TO.

I'LL DEFER TO TO MISS PALOMINO.

I BELIEVE THE INTENT OF IT FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE PERSON WHO SUBMITTED IT, WAS TO MIRROR THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION TO PROTECT THE BUDGET AND TO PREVENT RETALIATION THROUGH BUDGET.

SO TO REQUIRE A HIGHER BAR TO LOWER TO TO REDUCE THE BUDGET OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

WELL, I THINK IF WE ARE MAKING ACROSS THE BOARD BUDGET CUTS THAT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE EXCLUDED FROM THAT,

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THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY SOMEBODY WHO SUBMITTED IT TO THE CRC.

WELL, OKAY, I DISAGREE WITH THAT ONE.

OH, A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

THIS, I GUESS, WOULD BE FOR YOU, CARRIE, IF WE HAVE UNTIL MAY THE 15TH TO SUBMIT AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM THOSE RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMISSION.

WHAT ABOUT AMENDMENTS TO AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY THE COMMISSION? WHEN ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS? I'LL ASK JAKE TO STEP IN HERE AND CORRECT ME.

BUT. AMENDMENTS.

AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WHETHER THEY ARE BRAND NEW AMENDMENTS OR AMENDMENTS TO WHAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT, WOULD BE TAKEN UP AT A MEETING SUBSEQUENT TO THE MAY 15TH DEADLINE FOR AMENDMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED.

SO, YES.

SO ANY ANY SORT OF THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL REPORT, OUR INTENTION WOULD BE THAT YOU CAN MAKE THOSE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED ON THE MAY 15TH AT THE MAY 15TH BRIEFING AND ANY SPILLOVER THAT TAKES ON TO JUNE 5TH.

SO YOU WOULD START WITH THE FINAL REPORT AND WHAT'S CONTAINED IN HERE, AND ONLY THEN MOVE ON ONCE YOU'RE DONE WITH THE FINAL REPORT TO NEW AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED BY YOUR BODY.

OKAY. I SENSE THAT THERE WAS A GAP IN YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT, AND THAT WE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO MAKE NEW AMENDMENTS THAT WEREN'T CONSIDERED ON SUBJECTS THAT WERE NOT CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION.

BUT I'M HEARING NOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT AS PART OF OUR AMENDATORY PROCESS.

YES, SIR. OKAY, GOOD.

I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.

MAYOR. MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M TRYING TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THE CITY MANAGER MEMO DATED.

DATED MARCH THE 4TH.

THE FIRST BULLET REMOVED LANGUAGE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW COUNCIL TO DIRECTLY COMMUNICATE OR INTERFERE WITH STAFF.

AND THAT WAS AMENDMENT NINE.

SO COULD YOU JUST COMMENT, WALK ME THROUGH IT AND LET ME TURN EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEAN.

SO THE INITIAL SUBMISSION CAME FROM A RESIDENT WHO WAS FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER.

KINGSTON, OKAY.

HE SUGGESTED REMOVING THE LANGUAGE.

SECTION THREE, CHAPTER 15, WHICH YOU CAN FIND YOU KNOW, IN YOUR IN TAB, I BELIEVE IT'S TAB A, PAGE 19. AND IN THAT TAB WILL SHOW YOU THE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE CHANGE, WHICH WOULD BE TO DELETE THE ENTIRE SECTION.

SECTION 15, WHICH IS CURRENTLY TITLED NO INTERFERENCE BY COUNCIL WITH APPOINTMENTS OR SUBORDINATES OF CITY OF THE CITY MANAGER.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE ENTIRELY.

THE ENTIRE LANGUAGE COMPLETELY DISTRACTED, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND TO DO THAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE? THERE WOULD BE NO REPLACEMENT LANGUAGE.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE AND LEAVE IT.

WHEN YOU SEE IT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU'RE ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING, IT SEEMED LIKE.

YES, SIR. I MEAN, THE EXCEPTION BEING YOU STILL HAVE RAILS ON THOSE COMMUNICATIONS PURSUANT TO THE ETHICS RULES THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO FOLLOW.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A FREE FOR ALL.

ANYTHING CAN BE SAID OR DONE.

IT JUST IT ALLOWS COMMUNICATION.

AND THE ONLY WAY I GUESS, TO EFFECTIVELY DONE IT, DO IT WAS TO STRIKE THAT SECTION OF THE CHARTER, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN PLACE THE ETHICS REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE WHEN MAKING THOSE COMMUNICATIONS. THOSE ARE YOUR GUARDRAILS.

OKAY. YOU SAID THE GUARDRAILS.

SO THE GUARDRAILS WOULD BE WHAT.

WELL, I MEAN, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WORD INTERFERING.

IT'S A SCARY WORD.

IT'S A BAD SOUNDING WORD.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ETHICS RULES WOULD STILL PROHIBIT, YOU KNOW MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL FROM HARASSING OR INTERFERING.

AS YOU KNOW, WE COMMONLY USE THAT TERM.

I THINK THAT WOULD STILL BE PROHIBITED BY THE RULES OF ETHICS.

BUT BY TAKING THIS OUT, THOUGH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE ABLE TO DIRECTLY COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES AND THOSE STAFFERS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THEIR MANAGER EACH TIME ON, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY MIGHT BE MUNDANE ISSUES.

SO WOULD THAT MEAN THAT YOU KNOW, WE GOT 14 COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR AND WE TALKING ABOUT STAFF. SO IS WE ARE DIRECTING THEM TO DO SOMETHING.

THEY DO NOT WORK DIRECTLY FOR US.

SO I'M TRYING TO CONFUSE YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT WE CAN ASK THEM, BUT WE CANNOT DIRECT THEM TO INTERFERE WITH WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

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SO. SO, I MEAN, WHAT WERE THE DISCUSSION? I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT.

WHY DID THEY WANT TO STRIKE OUT THE WHOLE LANGUAGE? BECAUSE THE STAFF WORKED FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND IN SOME CASES THAT WE GO TALK TO STAFF AND STAFF CAN SAY, HEY, I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU BECAUSE I DON'T WORK FOR YOU.

AND SO THIS IS A WHOLE LOT OF DILEMMA THAT STAFF DO NOT WORK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO NOW THAT IF WE DO INTERFERE WITH STAFF, IT LOOKED LIKE STAFF HAD AN OBLIGATION TO DO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO DO.

YEAH, YEAH.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT JUST STRIKING THE WHOLE SECTION.

WE HAD ONE COMMISSIONER WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED STRIKING THE WHOLE PROVISION.

AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO DO.

AGAIN, THOUGH, IT WAS IN THE CONTEXT OF, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO FACILITATE, YOU KNOW, THESE ORDINARY REGULAR COMMUNICATIONS THAT DO HAPPEN BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND REPRESENTATIVES OR EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WITHOUT HAVING TO EACH TIME GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THEIR MANAGER? WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, INTIMIDATION OR HARASSMENT.

AND AGAIN, WE THINK THE ETHICS RULES PROHIBIT THAT.

BUT THERE WAS NO DEEP CONVERSATION, THOUGH, ABOUT STRIKING THE WHOLE PROVISION.

IT WAS JUST RECOMMENDED. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY THE PERSON WHO ORIGINALLY SPONSORED THIS AMENDMENT, IF I RECALL THIS CORRECTLY.

SO TO SCRATCH THAT OUT THAT MEANS THAT I, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER CAN TALK TO ANY STAFF MEMBERS, WHICH IS NOT INTERFERENCE, BUT CAN REQUEST THEM TO DO SOMETHING WHICH THEY BOSS SAID, YOU CANNOT DO THAT.

SO HOW IS HOW YOU GUIDELINES THAT AND HOW DO YOU GUARD THAT? I MEAN THAT'S CONVERSATION.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY HEADS AROUND IT.

YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE THAT.

I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE OR THE ETHICS RULES THAT, YOU KNOW, RELATE TO ME, COMMUNICATIONS WITH WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

I MEAN, BECAUSE IF THIS IS REMOVED, THEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ONLY REMAINING GUIDELINES OR RESTRICTIONS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE WHEN YOU ALL LOOK AT THIS, YOU BALANCE THE NEED TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING ALREADY AND TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT ROUTINE ISSUES WITHOUT HAVING THE RED TAPE AND BUREAUCRACY HAVING TO GO AND GET A MEETING SET UP WITH THE MANAGER EACH TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, PROHIBITING, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE TRULY, YOU KNOW, INTERFERING OR HARASSING OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW COMPROMISING THE STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT WE HAVE THAT WILL BE UP TO YOU ALL IN THE COMING WEEKS. ON HOW YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT.

IF YOU DECIDE TO DO ANYTHING ON IT AT ALL.

ALL RIGHT. I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF I'M TALKING TO THE DIRECTOR AND I'M TALKING TO THE STAFF MEMBER UNDER THE DIRECTOR, AND I GOT TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF A CONVERSATION, A SITUATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON, WHO DO I BELIEVE? DO I, YOU KNOW, BELIEVE THE DIRECTOR? DO I BELIEVE THE STAFF WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THAT? SO TO ME, IT'S A YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THAT OUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT I CAN CALL A DIRECTOR.

THEN I TALK TO THE STAFF MEMBER AND STAFF MEMBERS SAY, NO, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TRUE LANGUAGE AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

AND I FOLLOW THE STAFF.

AND I FOUND OUT LATER, THE DIRECTOR SAID THAT WAS NOT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TO GET THERE.

SO WE WE KIND OF DIPPING DOWN WAY AT THE TOTEM POLE TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE CORRECT INFORMATION.

SOMETIMES I DO FIND THAT OUT NOW, WHEN YOU TALK TO THE DIRECTOR AND TALK TO THE STAFF, YOU SOMETIMES GET TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT NOT COMMUNICATE.

AND MAY THE COMMUNICATE DID NOT COMMUNICATE WITH THE DIRECTOR.

DIRECTOR DID NOT COMMUNICATE WITH STAFF.

SO THAT'S WHAT I GATHERED NOW THAT'S WHAT I EXPERIENCE NOW.

SO THANK YOU.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THE CHANGE IN SALARY FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND BENEFITS.

SO IT SAYS MAY ALSO RECEIVE BENEFITS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AS PERMITTED BY LAW.

SO RIGHT NOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE OFFERED HEALTH INSURANCE IF WE'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE.

ARE YOU ENVISIONING OTHER BENEFITS BEING OFFERED? AS I RECALL FROM FROM THE MEETING, IN THE HEARING WE HAD ON THIS, I THINK IT WAS LIKE WAS IT ERS EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT SYSTEMS. SO THIS THIS WOULD THE REASON FOR THIS CHANGE IS BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO YOUR SALARIES, YOU MAY ALSO RECEIVE SOME, SOME NOMINAL BENEFITS, LIKE PARKING YOU KNOW, YOUR PARKING PASSES THAT YOU HAVE.

THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CHANGE IS TO ONLY ALLOW THAT WHICH IS ALLOWED BY STATE LAW FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE CURRENT CURRENTLY, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RECEIVE PENSION

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PAYMENTS. THIS WOULD NOT MOVE YOU OR NOT NOT ALLOW YOU TO RECEIVE PENSION PAYMENTS IF THIS GOT THROUGH.

THIS IS SIMPLY YOU KNOW, A PROVISION THAT THAT CLARIFIES WHAT YOUR COMPENSATION, FULL COMPENSATION IS VERSUS YOUR SALARY.

WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE LIFE INSURANCE? I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN YOUR COMPENSATION AS WELL, WHICH IS ALLOWED.

ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE ALLOWED TO RECEIVE.

COULD WE RECEIVE A MEMO THAT OUTLINES SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT? THANK YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT THE CHANGE FOR COUNCIL QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRING CANDIDATES FOR CITY COUNCIL TO NOT BE IN ARREARS.

AND THIS IS TAKING OUT ANY OTHER TAXES THAT MIGHT BE DUE.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE MAKING THAT CHANGE.

OKAY. CITY ATTORNEY, COULD I HAVE LAURA OR WILLOW TO COME UP AND SIT AT THE TABLE AND HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS? I GUESS BEFORE THEY COME UP, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THIS ADDRESSES.

I KNOW THERE'S CERTAIN FINANCIAL PENALTIES FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO DON'T ATTEND CERTAIN NUMBER OF MEETINGS.

AND AS I RECALL, THIS RELATES TO THAT BEING IN ARREARS ON THAT ISSUE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAXES OR THINGS LIKE THAT, ALTHOUGH I HOPE ANYBODY RUNNING FOR OFFICE WOULD BE CURRENT ON THAT.

SO THE QUOTE IS EACH MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL, IN ADDITION TO OTHER QUALIFICATIONS PRESCRIBED BY LAW, BE AT THE DATE OF ELECTION, A QUALIFIED VOTER OF THE CITY, AND SHALL NOT BE IN ARREARS IN THE PAYMENT OF.

AND THEN YOU'RE STRIKING ANY TAXES OR OTHER, AND THEN IT CONTINUES LIABILITIES DUE TO THE CITY RELATED TO HOLDING OFFICE.

IT'S PAGE NINE OF YOUR REPORT.

SO THERE IS CASE LAW.

SO THAT'S BEEN A PROVISION FOR QUITE A WHILE.

AND YES, IT WAS TRUE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LIKE ALL OF YOUR DEBTS CLEARED BEFORE YOU RUN FOR OFFICE.

BUT THERE IS CASE LAW NOW THAT SAYS IT REALLY THE DEBT THAT A CANDIDATE OWES HAS TO BE LINKED TO THE OFFICE YOU'RE SEEKING.

SO IT COULDN'T BE JUST AN UNPAID WATER BILL THAT YOU HAVEN'T PAID YET.

YOU COULD STILL RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE AN UNPAID WATER BILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOLDING THAT COUNCIL SEAT.

IT'S A CITY UTILITY.

AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S IN ARREARS FOR THEIR WATER BILL WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CANDIDATE FOR CITY COUNCIL? THAT'S WHAT THE CASE LAW HOLDS.

AND WHAT ABOUT PROPERTY TAX PAYMENT? I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE EACH DEBT ONE BY ONE AND LOOK TO SEE IF THAT'S LINKED TO HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE.

OKAY. WELL, FUN FACT, WHEN I FIRST APPLIED TO BE APPOINTED TO A COMMISSION, I GOT A CALL FROM BILLY RAY TELLING ME THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH MY APPLICATION BECAUSE I WAS IN ARREARS FOR A LIBRARY DEBT.

I THINK IT WAS $2.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT WOULD BAR AND WHAT WOULD NOT BAR IF WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.

SO TIM ROGERS WILL PROBABLY HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH THAT.

WE'LL COMMENT. SO ON PAGE 11, THIS IS COMPENSATION FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT JUMP.

I KNOW THAT YOU HAD SOME ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, SO I BELIEVE IT WAS PASSED IN 2014 AND WENT INTO EFFECT IN 2015 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MAKE 60,000 AND THE MAYOR TO MAKE 80.

AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU'VE DONE THAT CALCULATION OR IF THIS WAS A DISCUSSION POINT TO SAY, WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE PRESENT VALUE OF WHAT THOSE DOLLARS WERE AT THAT TIME? THE PRESENT VALUE FROM 2014 TO 2024 IS ROUGHLY $80,000 FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ABOUT $105,000 FOR THE MAYOR.

AND SO IS THERE A CONSIDERATION THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE VOTERS HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED, WHEN THEY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THE COUNCIL SALARY IN THOSE YEARS? YES, I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT A COMMISSIONER PUT FORWARD WAS TO TO TIE IT TO AN INDEXING, SOME SORT OF INDEXING.

AND IN THAT CONVERSATION, THEY DID MENTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES WHAT SHOULD WE TIE IT TO? AND THERE WAS CONVERSATION AROUND TYING IT TO THE 2014 NUMBER, ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THE CONVERSATION FOCUSED ON JUST, YOU KNOW, CONSUMER PRICE INDEX VERSUS AREA MEDIAN INCOME

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RATHER THAN THE INFLATION FROM 2014.

BUT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE DISCUSSION.

SO I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA TO TIE IT TO THE CPI ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED.

FOR THE NUMBERS THAT WERE SELECTED, THE 125 AND 140.

HOW WERE THOSE DETERMINED? WELL, I CAN I DON'T RECALL SPECIFICALLY EVERYTHING, BUT I DO RECALL WE HEARD FACTS ON WHAT OTHER CITIES THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO DALLAS PAY, YOU KNOW, THEIR COUNCIL AND THEIR MAYOR.

I KNOW THAT HAD AN IMPACT ON THE NUMBERS THAT WERE ULTIMATELY DETERMINED.

AND THOSE CITIES HAD A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

ALL OF THEM, PROBABLY NOT.

SOME OF THEM, I THINK SO.

I DID A BRIEFING ON THAT TO THE COMMISSION.

MANY OF THEM HAD CITY MANAGER FORMS OF GOVERNMENT, BUT IT WAS IT WAS PROBABLY 60/40 OR 70/30.

I DID TEN TEXAS CITIES, OF WHICH HOUSTON WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT DID NOT HAVE A CITY MANAGER.

AND THEN I LOOKED AT TEN OR I BELIEVE, FIVE PEER CITIES ACROSS THE NATION.

WHICH 2 OR 3 OF THEM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, HAD A STRONG MAYOR AND 2 OR 3 HAD CITY MANAGER.

OKAY. WELL, I THINK THAT IF IT GOES FORWARD WITH THOSE HIGH NUMBERS OF 125 AND 140, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT THE VOTERS ARE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THAT, IS MY OPINION.

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MY QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD THIS, THIS IS ABOUT ASSISTANCE AND EMPLOYEES FOR THE CITY SECRETARY.

AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IN THERE FOR THE AUDITOR.

WHY WOULD THIS BE AN ITEM FOR THE CHARTER AS OPPOSED TO JUST PART OF OUR BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS ANNUALLY? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE EASY ANSWER IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CHARTER AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WANTING TO THE CHARTER REFLECT, YOU KNOW, PRACTICES AND WHAT'S MOST CONDUCIVE FOR OPERATIONS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY PROPOSING THAT THE PHRASE AND EMPLOYEES BE ADDED IN THERE TO ASSISTANCE.

WELL, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS DESIGNATING THAT THEY WILL HAVE AN ASSISTANT AND CERTAINLY AS TIMES HAVE CHANGED LESS AND LESS EXECUTIVES HAVE AN ASSISTANT AND ARE ABLE TO MANAGE THEIR WORK WITHOUT YOU KNOW, THE THE OLD TIME SECRETARY WHO WAS DOING A LOT OF WORK AND IT SEEMS ODD TO ME TO CODIFY THAT WHEN THEY SHOULD BE PRESENTING THEIR BUDGET TO GBFM AND THE COUNCIL EVERY YEAR TO THEN PRESENT TO THE MANAGER. AND SO I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING IN THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.

THE LET'S SEE THERE'S AN ITEM IN HERE ON PAGE 28, AND THIS IS ABOUT THE CANDIDATE'S RESIDENCE.

AND IT'S THE LEADING THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY SECRETARY VERIFY THE TRUTH.

AND THE CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATES FILED AFFIDAVIT OF RESIDENCY.

AND I'M WONDERING WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT IF IT'S NOT THE CITY SECRETARY? WELL, I MEAN, THE PROCESS THAT USUALLY HAPPENS WITH THAT THERE CAN BE A LEGAL CHALLENGE IN THE COURT.

IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HEARD IN THE IN THE PRESENTATION WAS THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THE CITY SECRETARY IS EQUIPPED TO DETERMINE.

AND SO IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO IT, THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT NOW THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS, WHICH IS THE WAY IT'S USUALLY DONE.

CORRECT. MAY I STATE THAT.

SORRY. OKAY.

AND MAY I ADD THAT WE DON'T CHECK THAT NOW IT'S YOU SIGN THE AFFIDAVIT AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHALLENGES, WE IT'S AGAIN LIKE THE CHAIR SAID, IT'S CHALLENGED IN COURT.

SO WE'RE NOT DOING THAT NOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO THE NEXT ONE IS THIS IS A DISCLOSURE OF CANDIDATE CONTRIBUTIONS.

I'M SORRY, THIS IS ABOUT I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THE MEDIA OPTIONS AND PUBLISHING IN THE NEWSPAPERS.

AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AGAIN, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY THIS WOULD BE IN THE CHARTER AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE COMMUNICATION PLAN THAT THE DEPARTMENT MIGHT DEVELOP, THAT MAYBE THE COUNCIL WOULD AFFIRM, OR A STRATEGY THE COUNCIL MIGHT AFFIRM AS OPPOSED TO A CHARTER ITEM.

WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER NOW THAT TALKS ABOUT NEWSPAPER.

AND SO ONE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND ARGUE, WELL, WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE BY FACEBOOK OR WHATEVER THE LATEST, MOST EFFICIENT TECHNOLOGY IS BECAUSE THE CHARTER SAYS NEWSPAPER.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO OPEN, YOU KNOW, THAT AVENUE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMON SENSE CAN BE USED TO REFLECT WHATEVER THE MOST MODERN, EFFICIENT MEANS IS TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC AND GET PEOPLE ENGAGED AND INFORMED.

WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO JUST STRIKE THE ENTIRE ITEM THAT IT'S JUST NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO THE CHARTER, AND JUST PART OF THE OPERATION? IS THERE A REASON FOR IT TO BE THERE? WELL, IT'S JUST WHAT IT'S BY STATUTE.

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WOULD YOU? YES.

WILLOW SANCHEZ, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE THE STATE STATUTES DO REQUIRE NOTIFICATION BE IN A NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION.

AND SO IN THOSE INSTANCES, WE COULD NOT STRIKE IT.

SO WE COULD WE CAN PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO YOU WHICH REQUIRE IT BY STATE STATUTE IF THAT IS SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE.

OKAY. YES.

THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE.

SAME THING ALREADY.

THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BECOMING A POSITION THAT REPORTS DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL.

THIS IS HOW THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED WHEN THE ENTIRE OFFICE WAS DEVELOPED.

IT'S JUST THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THE CHARTER REQUIREMENTS.

SO IT HAD TO GO UNDER THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SO I BELIEVE THAT TIM POWERS BROUGHT THIS FORWARD SINCE HE HAD BEEN ON THAT GROUP THAT HAD ESTABLISHED A FRAMEWORK.

YOUR TIME EXPIRED, BUT IT'S DISAPPEARED.

I CAN'T SEE THE TIMER.

SO I'M TOLD THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE YOUR LAST.

SHOULD BE A SIGN.

YEAH. SO I JUST I'M GOING TO SAY I SUPPORT IT, AND I'LL JUST WAIT FOR ANOTHER ROUND.

THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM A.

THANK YOU. COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THE ITEM? IT'S ON PAGE 12 THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN WAS SPEAKING ABOUT WITH THE CITY'S NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

YEAH. JUST TO GIVE MORE CLARITY TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO AMEND.

WOULD YOU GIVE US NOW WHAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES IN TERMS OF NOTIFICATION? SO THIS IS WILLOW SANCHEZ CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

IN THE REPORT THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED, THERE ARE SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE IT'S SEEKING TO EXPAND THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, AND NOT EACH OF THOSE REQUIRE PUBLICATION BY STATE STATUTE TO BE IN A NEWSPAPER.

SO WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT WE CAN PULL OUT WHICH ONES ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW AND GET THAT TO YOU.

I HAVE IT IN HERE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO KEEP FLIPPING PAGES TO GET YOU THAT.

WELL, WE NORMALLY VOTE ON AT THE COUNCIL WITH STATE LAW.

COULD YOU MAKE THE AWARENESS AROUND US IDENTIFYING THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AS THE OFFICIAL VOICE OF THIS CITY AND THAT WE AND ALSO SPEAK TO WHAT WE ARE PAYING THEM IN THAT POSITION, I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU.

FROM A FACTUAL PERSPECTIVE, I CANNOT SPEAK TO WHO OR WHEN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS WAS DETERMINED TO BE IT, BUT THE STATUTE ITSELF SOMETIMES GIVES THRESHOLDS FOR THE PUBLICATION REACH, SO I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.

I JUST DON'T HAVE IT. RIGHT. OKAY.

I'M SORRY I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, SO WHY DON'T YOU NOW? I GUESS IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WITH THE CHARTER.

SINCE WE'RE IN BRIEFING, I GUESS I'LL ASK, IS IT POSSIBLE, MAYOR, THAT WE CAN GET THIS INFORMATION WHILE WE'RE PREPARING, AND I CAN COME ON THE THIRD ROUND? BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I TALK ABOUT QUITE INTENSELY ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AS THE PRIMARY VOICE OF THIS CITY AND THAT WE ARE FUNDING THE OMISSION OF INFORMATION THROUGH THE COMMUNITY NEWSPAPERS, WHICH I WANT TO SEE INCORPORATED IN THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE. SO IF YOU ALL COULD WORK ON THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT FOR MY THIRD ROUND.

YES. THANK YOU.

ON THE PAGE 13 ON THE CITY COUNCIL INTERFERING.

I'M KIND OF REALLY CONCERNED WITH THAT WORD, BUT I'M GOING TO SPEAK QUICKLY BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LONG DAY.

COUNCIL MEMBERS I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THE COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES.

AND WHEN I ARRIVED TO THE CITY HALL, THERE WAS A HISTORY THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED WITH THIS CONVERSATION AROUND COUNCIL MEMBERS DEALING WITH STAFF.

AND AT THAT POINT, I THINK I WALKED INTO A HORNET'S NEST WHERE YOU HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE BASICALLY ABUSING STAFF MEMBERS.

I THINK THAT THIS HAD TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF WOMEN WHO HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN ARE TARGETED IN TERMS OF INTENSE, NEGATIVE, CONDESCENDING, ARROGANT LANGUAGE TOWARD EMPLOYEES, WOMEN.

AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, YOU HAVE WOMEN.

AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE CASES THAT HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED IN THE IN THE PAPERS THAT BEGIN TO HOLD IN INFORMATION, WHEREAS THEY PROBABLY COULD HAVE GONE TO THEIR DIRECTORS AND PROBABLY THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE IT CONTINUED.

AND SO I KNOW I THINK YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE ETHICS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP IN TACT AND EVEN TIGHTEN IT UP, BECAUSE THE

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MENTAL ANGUISH THAT THOSE WOMEN WENT THROUGH DEALING WITH THE CONDESCENDING, ARROGANT DEMEANING, DEMORALIZING LANGUAGE AND THREATS THAT WERE MADE TO THEM.

AND THEN AS A RESULT, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER JENNIFER GATES ORGANIZED WE HAD TO FIND A CONSULTANT BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO DO A SENSITIVITY TRAINING WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND THAT DIDN'T GO OFF REAL WELL.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND, NOT ALL OF US.

AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO QUOTE T.D.

JAKES FOR JUST A MINUTE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

EVEN IN THE CHURCH. EVERYBODY NOT SAY, AND EVERYONE AROUND IN THE CHURCH AND EVERYONE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE AROUND THE HORSESHOES ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THESE INDIVIDUALS, THAT STAFF MEMBERS THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING TO.

NOW, MOST OF US NOW, WE DO TALK TO COUNCIL STAFF MEMBERS, AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE SOME GOOD DAYS AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE BAD DAYS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF I'M FRUSTRATED, I'M JUST NOT GOING TO START TALK CURSING YOU OUT AND THREATENING YOU.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, NOTHING PERSONAL, YOU ALL, I DON'T KNOW.

SOME OF US MAY CHANGE.

YOU KNOW, WE GO FROM, YOU KNOW, SPIDER-MAN TO TOM JONES.

SO I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO BE PROTECTIVE OF THE TIME THAT WE'RE IN AND THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE IN AND THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IS DOESN'T COME HERE WITH THE RESPECT OF DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU DO UNTO THEM.

YOU KNOW, YOU WANT PEOPLE.

WHAT IS IT, THE GOLDEN RULES.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THIS IN AND TIGHTEN IT UP SO IT GIVES PROTECTION.

WE NEED DOUBLE PROTECTION BECAUSE IT WAS VERY PAINFUL FOR US TO HAVE HEARD ABOUT WHAT THESE WOMEN HAD GONE THROUGH IN THIS BUILDING. SO I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT ON THERE.

AND, MAYOR, I'LL PROBABLY COME BACK JUST QUICKLY ON THIS RANKED CHOICE WILL COME.

I THINK MY TIME IS RUNNING OUT OF THAT.

SO I WANTED TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT.

JUST SINCE YOU SAID IT'S NOT.

CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHAT YOU SAID, SIR, ABOUT IT'S NOT STATE LAW NOW, BUT WHAT WE'RE WAITING FOR TO BE TRIGGERED? RIGHT, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO PUT FORWARD A RANKED CHOICE VOTING IN SOME CAPACITY, IT'S CURRENTLY NOT TECHNICALLY ALLOWED BY STATE LAW. I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME CITIES DOING IT.

I THINK AUSTIN IS DOING IT.

MAYBE ONE OTHER. I KNOW COMMISSIONER DE LA FUENTE SENT OUT A LETTER, A MEMO YESTERDAY TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT GOES INTO A LOT MORE DETAIL ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING. BUT.

SO IF IT'S PASSED, IT WOULD BE PASSED WITH A TRIGGER CLAUSE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE USED OR IMPLEMENTED UNLESS THE LAW IS CHANGED IN AUSTIN, DESPITE WHAT AUSTIN'S DOING.

SO CAN YOU TELL US AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, IS IT PERMISSIBLE IN TEXAS TODAY? NO, I MEAN, IN DALLAS, TEXAS TODAY BY LAW, NO.

ALTHOUGH SOME CITIES ARE DOING IT AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE.

OKAY, LET ME CORRECT MYSELF.

AUSTIN HAS A TRIGGER CLAUSE.

THEY'RE NOT USING IT. THEY PASSED IT WITH A TRIGGER CLAUSE.

SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO.

NO CITIES ARE CURRENTLY USING IT.

ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

THANK YOU. MAYOR I'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AS I NEED TO.

THANK YOU COUNCIL.

CHAIRMAN SCHULTZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. VAUGHT, I WANT TO THANK YOU.

AND I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS HARDER IN FALLUJAH OR HERE.

THIS MEETING ISN'T OVER YET, SO CAN I GET BACK TO YOU? THAT'S GREAT. I SEE YOUR LEADERSHIP RIGHT THERE.

I HAVE TWO KEY QUESTIONS.

ONE IS, WE HAVE IT.

CAN YOU SHARE THE, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN SOME OF THE POSITIONS OR TWO THIRDS, SOME ARE THREE QUARTERS.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU AS EITHER STAFF OR YOU, MR. CHAIR, ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE TWO THIRDS VERSUS THREE QUARTERS THROUGHOUT THE CHARTER.

WELL, YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION.

THAT'S PROBABLY EXCEED MY ABILITIES TO GO THROUGH EACH ITEM AND WHY IT IS THAT WAY.

I JUST KNOW ON A FEW, FOR EXAMPLE, ON ON CHANGING THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS NEEDED TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING JUST TO GET IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE THIRD OF WHAT IT WAS WHEN THERE WERE NINE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WITH REGARDS TO I THINK WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL, OUR GOAL WITH THAT IS TO REALLY HAVE SOMEONE CRACKING DOWN ON FRAUD, WASTE AND ABUSE.

AND WE DON'T WANT SUCH AN INVESTIGATION TO BE EASILY OR TAMPERED WITH AT ALL.

BUT THAT PERSON TO BE REMOVED BY, YOU KNOW, A LESS THAN A SIGNIFICANT VOTE REQUIREMENT.

WITH REGARDS TO THE OTHER ONES ON, YOU KNOW, WHY IT'S A CERTAIN RATIO.

I CAN'T ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IT'S REALLY IT'S OKAY THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT, BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES DEPEND ON THE PARTICULAR USE OF THAT VOTE.

THAT'S THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO SPEND MY TIME ON IS ON PAGE 66, CHAPTER 21 IN GENERAL.

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AND THAT IS WHEN WE HAD OUR STAFF MEETING.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BY THE WAY, STAFF, FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE.

WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMISSION, AND I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EVEN THIS WHOLE THING, NOT NECESSARILY TO BE IN THE CHARTER. COULD BE IN CHAPTER TWO.

COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? LAURA MORRISON CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, SO THE CITY'S BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CAN BE ESTABLISHED IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE CHARTER.

SO THEY'RE CREATED BY CHARTER.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, PARK BOARD, CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

BUT MOST OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE CREATED BY ORDINANCE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY CAN BE FOUND THROUGHOUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY CODE.

MANY OF THEM ARE CREATED IN CHAPTER TWO, WHICH IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE CHAPTER.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WE ALSO HAVE LIKE THE ETHICS ADVISORY COMMISSION IS CREATED IN CHAPTER 12 A OUR CODE OF ETHICS.

SO THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMISSION, IT'S TO HAVE THIS COMMISSION BE CREATED IN THE CHARTER.

SO THE PERMANENCE OF THIS ELEVATES THE IMPORTANCE OF THE BOND AND ITS OVERSIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHY THE CHARTER COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE MEMORIALIZED OR WHATEVER REALLY INFUSED AT OUR HIGHEST LEVEL OF MANDATE OF OPERATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.

YEAH. OKAY, SO LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

SHOULD IT MOVE FORWARD.

ONE IS IS THERE WAS THERE A LOGIC MODEL FOR THE 180 DAYS VERSUS, SAY, 270, JUST TO GIVE MORE TIME OR SOMETHING? WHAT WAS THE LOGIC MODEL FOR THE 180 DAYS? ON PAGE 66, SECTION A.

WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE WEEDS ON A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF DAYS.

THAT'S JUST WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT NUMBER WAS COME UP WITH.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND THEN THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT TO OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM QUESTIONS ABOUT GENDER.

AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY AND BECOME MORE AWARE OF GENDER ISSUES, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME GENDER CHALLENGES ON ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION OR WAS IT NOT JUST A CHANCE OF NOT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF THE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE MEMBERSHIP THAT REFLECTS THE RACIAL AND ETHNIC MAKEUP OF THE CITY'S POPULATION? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, AS YOU MENTIONED THAT NOW AND I LOOK AT THIS, I WISH THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THERE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WAS A PROPOSAL THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AS, AS WRITTEN.

AND WE THOUGHT, OKAY, THIS MAKES SENSE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS YOU ALL MOVE FORWARD.

YOU ALL GET TO DECIDE, HEY, I DON'T WANT ANY OF THIS, OR I WANT SOME OF IT, OR I'M GOING TO CHANGE IT OR I'M GOING TO HAVE MY OWN STUFF.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF PROBABLY SOMETHING MAYBE I WANT TO LOOK AT TO, TO FACILITATE THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW OUR OVERARCHING GOAL, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR MISSION STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, WAS TO HAVE A CITY CHARTER THAT REFLECTS, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY, ITS DIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, IN ALL RESPECTS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST NOT JUST ETHNICITY, BUT ALSO GENDER THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

GREAT. THANK YOU, I THINK GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

COUNCIL MEMBER I WAS GOING TO ADD TO THAT IT IS COMMON FOR PUBLIC BOARDS OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, SUCH AS I KNOW AT THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY AND DART, THERE'S STATUTORY LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES THE MAKEUP OF THEIR BOARD, REFLECTS THE GEOGRAPHIC AND DIVERSITY MAKEUP OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE.

IT WAS AMENDMENT REPRESENTATIVE YVONNE DAVIS HAD PUT FORWARD A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FACT THAT OUR CHARTER, WE LOOK AT IT OFFICIALLY EVERY TEN YEARS, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE VERY LONG LASTING. SO THANK YOU.

MY FINAL QUESTION ON THE SAME ITEM IS DO ON ITEM E DO WE NEED A DEADLINE BEFORE THE BOND ELECTION IS CALLED? IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE? IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE IF THIS COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE FORMED? IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY ALSO FOR US TO SAY WE NEED ENOUGH ADVANCE NOTICE BEFORE THE BOND ELECTION IS CALLED TO HAVE COMPLETED OUR WORK SO THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A LAST MINUTE ISSUE? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME LEGAL BECAUSE THIS IS 30 DAYS.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING THAT UP SO THAT THERE IS.

I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LONGER THAN 30 DAY DEADLINE OR HAVE A DEADLINE IN THERE BEFORE THE BOND ELECTION IS

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CALLED? IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THIS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE, TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE BOND ELECTION? I THINK YOU COULD.

YES. OKAY.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY.

I JUST HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE A MAN IN NOVEMBER, AND THEN THERE'S DEADLINES IN FEBRUARY AND AUGUST FOR CALLING EITHER OF THOSE ELECTIONS.

SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOUR WORK IS IN THE PROCESS, THAT MAY DETERMINE WHICH ELECTION, WHICH DAY IN MAY OR NOVEMBER YOU'RE GOING TO GO OR WHICH MONTH. OKAY.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. WEST. THANK YOU MAYOR.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

I'LL JOIN MY COLLEAGUES IN THANKING STAFF MISS MORRISON AND THE WHOLE TEAM UP THERE FOR YOUR GREAT WORK.

THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST LOOKING BINDER I'VE EVER SEEN SINCE IN MY FIVE YEARS HERE.

AND A GREAT JOB PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND MAKING THIS VERY EASY FOR US.

ALSO WANT TO THANK MY RESIDENTS.

DISTRICT ONE RESIDENTS, NO SURPRISE, SUBMITTED MORE AMENDMENTS THAN ANY OTHER DISTRICT.

THEY THEY LOVE THIS KIND OF STUFF.

AND I GOT A LOT OF ACTIVISTS IN D1 AND THEY CAME OUT.

AND THEN, OF COURSE COMMISSIONER DE LA FUENTE FOR KEEPING ME REALLY, REALLY GETTING ME UP TO SPEED ON THIS.

I REALLY JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION TODAY, AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP AFTER THIS.

I GUESS, MR. VAUGHT, FOR YOU.

TO WHAT EXTENT DID THE COMMISSION CONSIDER FINANCIAL IMPACTS TO THE CITY AND JUST GENERALLY? SO IN ANY DECISION THEY WERE MAKING ON ANY, I MEAN, YOU CAN USE RANKED CHOICE VOTING AMENDMENT IF YOU WANT, AS AN EXAMPLE.

RIGHT. SO ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS TO IT.

BUT IT WAS IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY DOES A SPECIAL ELECTION COST? HOW MUCH MONEY COULD BE SAVED BY GOING TO RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

AND I THIS WAS MANY MONTHS AGO, BUT I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION IN ELECTION.

AND I THINK IT ALSO VARIED DEPENDING UPON HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, HOW BROAD THE ELECTION WAS.

YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS JUST 1 OR 2 COUNCIL PLACES OR IF IT INVOLVED THE ENTIRE CITY.

SO WE DID DISCUSS THOSE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

OKAY. SO THE COMMISSION ON, DID IT COME UP ON PRETTY MUCH EVERY AMENDMENT THAT WAS THAT IT DID HAVE A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY, LIKE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS THE MAY VERSUS THE NOVEMBER ELECTION DISCUSSION.

THAT WAS I DIDN'T WATCH IT, BUT I HEARD IT WAS PRETTY DETAILED.

DID WERE THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS DISCUSSED DURING DURING THAT, DURING THE RANKED CHOICE VOTING? BASICALLY DURING EVERYTHING THAT IT COULD APPLY TO, THEY WERE IF THEY WERE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS A SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE OR SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE.

I MEAN, THERE WASN'T A, YOU KNOW, A PRICE TAG ANALYSIS ON EVERY, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL THAT CAME BEFORE US.

BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THERE WERE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS THAT DIDN'T PASS.

I MEAN, SOME OF THESE SOME OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WERE TO, FOR EXAMPLE, MOVE THE ELECTION DATES MUNICIPAL ELECTION DATES TO BE UNIFORM WITH, YOU KNOW, GENERAL ELECTION DATES IN NOVEMBER.

AND THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS FOR THAT.

BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPETING, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS ON THAT PARTICULAR I'M SURE.

RIGHT. YEAH. RANGING FROM, YOU KNOW, RACES WILL BECOME MORE PARTISAN TO SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT LESS LESS PEOPLE WOULD BE INVOLVED IN DRIVING OR LESS INFORMED ON CITY ISSUES, RATHER BECAUSE THEY'D BE CONSUMED WITH NATIONAL ISSUES OR STATE ISSUES.

SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THAT FAILED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD SAVE MONEY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T PASS, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD SAVE MONEY.

AND SO WE WE TALKED ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS.

SO THAT CAME INTO THE ANALYSIS, BUT IT WASN'T DETERMINATIVE ON EVERYTHING.

CHAIRMAN. AS OUR FINANCE CHAIR WANTED TO NOTE THAT BEFORE EACH OF THE MEETINGS, JAKE REACHED OUT TO OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, INCLUDING OUR BUDGET DIRECTOR, MISS WEEDEN, AND OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, ON ANY AMENDMENTS THAT COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY HAVE A FISCAL NOTE ATTACHED TO IT.

AND SO THEY WERE PRESENT AND ENGAGED ON THOSE AMENDMENTS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE CITY.

AWESOME. AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR TEAM THEN TO GO OVER THAT, SINCE I HAVEN'T DONE THAT.

THAT'S, THAT'S ON ME.

BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT OF THE REMAINING AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE US TODAY THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD HAVE A BREAKDOWN FOR ALL OF COUNCIL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL ON THE FINANCE, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO ADD MORE COST TO OUR BUDGET OR WHETHER IT'S GOING TO TAKE.

WE COULD SAVE MONEY BY PASSING IT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF OBLIGATIONS IN THE CITY.

WE HAVE PENSION, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE TAX SAVINGS FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO THANK YOU.

MS. WILLIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE SERVICE, ALL OF YOU HERE AND THOSE OTHERS.

I SEE SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE HERE TODAY JUST CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THE PROCESS, BUT THANK THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE AS WELL.

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BUT, CHAIR VAUGHT, I WANTED TO GO TO AN ITEM ON PAGE TEN AND THE STORY THAT YOU SHARED WITH US, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE WITH REGARD TO CITIZEN BECOMING THE WORD RESIDENT OR PEOPLE, ETC..

AND SO THANK YOU FOR ADDING A PERSPECTIVE TO IT THAT OTHERS MAY NOT THINK ABOUT.

AND IN EXPLORING THIS OFFLINE I BELIEVE YOU HAD POINTED OUT TO ME THAT LEGALLY WE DON'T DO CITIZEN CHECKS WHEN THE DFR IS GOING TO PUT OUT A FIRE AT A HOME OR THAT SORT OF THING.

AND SO THIS REALLY BRINGS US INTO COMPLIANCE TO REFLECT PRACTICES THAT ARE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE CITY IS DOING.

SO I THINK SOMETIMES THESE THINGS ARE POLITICIZED, BUT I THINK THE REFERENCE AND CHAIR THAT YOU BROUGHT UP AND THE STORY THAT YOU BROUGHT UP SHOULD BE SHARED MORE WIDELY BECAUSE IT MAY GIVE PAUSE TO SOME AND MAKE THEM THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

ON LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN COVERED ALREADY ON PAGE 12 WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE MEDIA THE NOTIFICATION OF OUR RESIDENTS, IT DOES SOUND LIKE THAT MAY NEED TO STAY TO MISS SANCHEZ'S POINT ABOUT STATE STATUTES WHERE WE'RE REQUIRED A CERTAIN WAY TO NOTIFY PEOPLE.

BUT WHAT I'M WONDERING ABOUT IS HOW WE.

AND IT MAY NOT BE A CHARTER ISSUE.

THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE FOLLOW UP.

WE PUT THIS IN THE CHARTER THAT WE WE ARE EXPANDING WAYS THAT RESIDENTS CAN BE NOTIFIED.

BUT HOW WE MIGHT KEEP OBJECTIVITY, LIKE HAVING AN OPTIMAL MEDIA MIX THAT WE LOCK INTO.

AND WE THAT'S IT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND IT MAY BE COMPRISED OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT MEDIA, BUT THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER ISN'T NECESSARILY DIRECTING IT, THAT WE'RE USING AN OUTSIDE PROFESSIONAL WHO CAN PUT THE RIGHT NUMBERS TOGETHER.

WE SET OUR THRESHOLD ON WHAT'S THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WE WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE ALWAYS REACHING WITH OUR MESSAGES.

AND THEN WHAT IS THE MEDIA PLAN TO DELIVER ON THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'D FOLLOW UP WHERE? SO I IN THE PROCESS, WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE GOOD IDEAS, BUT MAYBE WEREN'T APPROPRIATE FOR THE CHARTER.

THEY MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR AN ORDINANCE.

AND SO WE WANTED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE CHARTER THAT, YOU KNOW, GAVE THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORITY TO DO THINGS BY ORDINANCE.

SO I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF INSTEAD OF US SAYING IN THE CHARTER, EXACTLY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE VERY GOOD CONCERNS, IN MY OPINION, YOU RAISE, INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT IN THE CHARTER, HAVE THAT SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL DECIDES BY ORDINANCE THAT WILL CONTROL AND, YOU KNOW, SIMPLY ARE CHANGED, WOULD JUST OPEN THE DOOR ON HOW YOU FACILITATE THAT, HOW YOU REACH THOSE GOALS ON.

OKAY. AND THAT'S THE POINT, IS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO LIVE IN THE CHARTER TO HELP US ALIGN WITH STATE STATUTES.

BUT AS FAR AS PUTTING IT INTO PRACTICE, I MEAN, THAT MAY JUST LIVE IN A SOUND COMMUNICATIONS PLAN.

SO IT MAY NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF WE EVEN HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BY ORDINANCE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE BALANCE IS ON THAT.

OKAY. ON PAGE 11, AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT ARE AROUND HR AND EMPLOYMENT LAW THAT I'M GOING TO MEET WITH JENNIFER HUBBARD ON.

AND SO IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO HAVE THAT WORK SESSION WITH ME OKAY, WE CAN DRILL INTO THIS.

BUT I DID WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM TREAT REORGANIZATIONS AND REDUCTIONS IN FORCE IN THE SAME MANNER WITH RESPECT TO COMPENSATION AND REASSIGNMENT. SO THIS IS UNDER AN OPERATIONAL AMENDMENT.

WAS THERE MUCH DISCUSSION AROUND THIS? I DIDN'T GET TO TUNE INTO EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY SESSION.

THERE WASN'T A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

IT WAS SOMETHING I THINK HR RAISED AND THAT JUST MAKING THE CHARTER REFLECT GENERALLY HOW THINGS ARE KIND OF DONE ANYWAY.

BUT I WOULD I WOULD NEED THEM TO TALK MORE ABOUT IT.

IT WASN'T A CONTROVERSIAL AMENDMENT AT ALL.

OKAY. SO I JUST RECOGNIZING THAT CHANGES LIKE THIS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO OCCUR AT TIMES, BUT NOT.

LIMITING THE CITY IN THE LATITUDE THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED TO TO TO GET AT THE RIGHT.

THE RIGHT MIX OF THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.

AND MISS HUBBARD, LET'S HAVE A MEETING ANOTHER TIME, BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD DRILL WAY INTO THIS AND MANY OTHER ITEMS. THANK YOU. I'LL STOP THERE.

CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU HAVEN'T SPOKE, FIVE MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND A SECTION, SO I APOLOGIZE.

I CAN'T REFERENCE IT, BUT.

BUT IT'S REALLY TWO, AND IT LOOKS LIKE BOTH OF THEM MAY BE CENTERED OR MAY IMPACT PUBLIC PROCUREMENT.

THE FIRST ONE WAS THE PUBLIC BID OPENINGS.

CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THE INTENT BEHIND OR DID I SEE THAT SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY WERE? YOU DID? YEAH. THAT WAS TO ELIMINATE PART OF THE CHARTER THAT REQUIRED BIDS TO BE OPENED IN PUBLIC.

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AND, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS AGAIN, NEFARIOUS REMOVING THAT.

BUT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY SOME DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE CITY.

I DON'T RECALL WHICH ONE. BUT BASICALLY, THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT CONTROLS WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.

AND SO THE STATE LAW IS GOING TO CONTROL AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE THE CHARTER DICTATE HOW THAT HAPPENS.

AND I WOULD I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH DEPARTMENT THAT IS, BUT THEY COULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN A LOT MORE THE INTENT BEHIND IT.

I BELIEVE IT WAS THE OFFICE OF PROCUREMENT.

RIGHT. AND THEN MISS THOMPSON IS IS HERE.

SHE CAN COME FORWARD. OTHERWISE WE'LL GET INFORMATION FOR YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ON THAT.

YEAH. AND I SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED UP ON THAT.

I JUST SAW THAT ONE WITH ALL EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING OUT.

I DID SEE THAT AND I SEE KIND OF FOLLOWING UP WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC NOTICES AS WELL.

ON THE ONE HAND, I THINK THE INTENT WITH THE PUBLIC NOTICE, DESPITE STATE LAW IS TO ACTUALLY EXPAND HOW WE GET INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. USING ALL VENUES AND POTENTIALLY PAPERS.

AND I AGREE, JUST HAVING SOME STRATEGY BY WHICH WE DO THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT ONE.

OH, CLARITY ON THE ASSISTANCE AND THE EMPLOYEES FOR AND AGAIN, JUST FROM US USING THE CITY AUDITORS.

AND I'LL TRY TO GET SOME CLARITY THIS WAY.

ADDING EMPLOYEES TO THAT SECTION DOES WHAT.

ADDING THE TERM, THE WORD EMPLOYEES.

I WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO ANSWER THAT, PLEASE? YES. THANK YOU.

SINCE THAT WAS.

I'M SORRY. YEAH. MY AMENDMENT, MY INTENT FOR THAT AMENDMENT WAS TO BRING CLARITY THAT THIS THE CITY SECRETARY STAFF REPORTS DIRECTLY TO ME THE WAY IT CURRENTLY READS.

IF YOU IN THE CHARTER, THE TITLE SAYS ASSISTANT AND EMPLOYEES.

BUT THE LANGUAGE IT ONLY STATES AND I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT BUT IT ONLY STATES THAT THE ASSISTANT REPORTS TO THE CITY SECRETARY.

SO BY ADDING IT, MY INTENT WAS JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT NOT JUST THE ASSISTANT REPORTS TO ME, BUT THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS REPORT TO THE CITY SECRETARY.

THAT WAS MY THAT'S WHAT I WAS GATHERING TOO.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT.

AND I GUESS TO PUT THIS INTO A PERSPECTIVE.

IT WOULD BE AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I KNOW HOW.

SO I'M SORRY.

SO DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONAL.

IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH COUNCIL INTERFERING WITH CITY STAFF.

THIS COULD POTENTIALLY.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO SAY IT THIS WAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO PAINT THE PICTURE OF THIS GIVES CITY SECRETARY, CITY AUDITORS THE AUTHORITY TO DIRECT THEIR STAFF THE WAY THEY SEE FIT.

AND REMOVES THEM, KIND OF THAT REPORTING TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT.

NOT AT THAT HIGHER LEVEL BECAUSE COUNCIL THEY DO APPROVE MY BUDGET AND AND THE SALARIES, AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, BUT SOMEWHAT SIMILAR.

IT'S IT COULD BE APPLIED THAT THOSE EMPLOYEES REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER.

GOT IT. OKAY. THAT'S THE CLARITY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE.

OKAY, PERFECT. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

ADAM BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU MAYOR. FIVE MINUTES.

FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN VAUGHT, AND FOR FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR COMMISSION.

IT WAS A GREAT PROCESS TO WATCH.

AND I THINK SOME GREAT DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD.

I DO WANT TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU ALSO TO JAKE AND CARRIE.

AND YOUR TEAM, KERRY, FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, OR I SHOULD SAY, JAKE'S TEAM FOR THIS PARTICULAR TASK.

ALSO TO LAURA AND WILLOW FOR Y'ALL'S CLARITY ON SEVERAL OF THE ITEMS. I DEFINITELY WAS A LOT CLOSER TO IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF GRANULAR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE AMENDMENTS.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS I BELIEVE, IN MY OPINION, ARE AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOUR OPINION.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MEMO FROM THE ATTORNEYS ON WHAT WOULD OR WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE TO BE HANDLED THROUGH CODE.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS IN HERE THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR CHARTER THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE SAME MANNER, BUT THROUGH CODE.

AND I THINK THAT WE AS A BODY NEED TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF VOTER FATIGUE AND SENDING A SLEW OF AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE VOTERS ON BY THE BY THE END.

AND SO IF WE CAN TAKE THIS UP AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES WITHIN HOURS WORK HERE, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR OPINION ON OR YOUR ADVICE ON.

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WE CAN DO THAT.

CAN I CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? YES, SIR. YOU HIT ON SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.

AND THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THIS SEVERAL TIMES, THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT OVERWHELMING VOTERS WITH TOO MUCH INFORMATION AND VOTER FATIGUE, I GUESS IS A GOOD, GOOD PHRASE FOR THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T CONSTRUE THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE SAID THERE'S GOT TO BE 35 AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S FRANKLY QUITE A FEW.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE UNDERSTANDABLE IF FEWER THAN THAT WERE ULTIMATELY PUSHED FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT IS AN ISSUE ONCE IT GETS TO A BALLOT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE INFORMED AND VOTE ON IT.

SO VERY GOOD POINT.

YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. AND I REMEMBERED HEARING Y'ALL WEIGH THAT OUT ON SEVERAL ITEMS. BUT THERE'S JUST SOME THAT I'M NOT.

IT'S NOT IN AN IMPORTANCE OR DIMINISHMENT OF OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

I THINK SOME GREAT ROBUST CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR INSTANCE, THE BOND TASK FORCE, I MEAN, THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF OF BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN OUR CHARTER, NOT ALL OF THEM. THEY HAVE QUASI JUDICIAL POWER.

THEY HAVE VERY UNIQUE ROLES WITHIN OUR CITY GOVERNMENT.

HOWEVER, THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED THROUGH OUR CITY CODE AND BY ORDINANCE.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE CONCERN FROM WHAT I HEARD WHEN THAT PARTICULAR ITEM WAS PROPOSED WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY IT FALLS UNDER THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT AND THAT IT'S BROADCASTED OUT TO THE PUBLIC, AND IT'S DONE.

SO IN THE SAME WAY OF VETTING THE MEMBERS THAT ARE PUT ON.

I MEAN, ALL OF THAT CAN BE HANDLED THROUGH THE CODE.

AND I'M USING THAT JUST AS ONE EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT WAS JUST DISCUSSED.

AND BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS ONE OF SEVERAL.

AND SO I'D LOVE FOR US TO, AS WE'RE WEIGHING OUT AND SUBMITTING OUR OWN AMENDMENTS, BE ABLE TO KIND OF CHECK THE BOX ON, I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS UP HERE.

I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS UP HERE.

AND THEN JUST AS YOUR REPORT GAVE US THINGS TO ALSO LOOK AT THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER, WE CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH THIS FINALIZED LIST, IF YOU WILL.

BUT I DEFINITELY WANT US TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE DO WANT TO SEE CHANGE FOR SURE IN THIS CHARTER, BUT THE LAST THING I'D WANT TO DO IS OVERWHELM THE VOTERS.

AND I KNOW THAT SOME VOTERS GET OVERWHELMED JUST WITH HOW MANY JUDGES WE HAVE ON A BALLOT ON ANY GIVEN ELECTION CYCLE.

SO IF IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THIS THROUGH, ESPECIALLY ON A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WITH WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COGNIZANT OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. RIDLEY, THREE MINUTES.

I WAS GOING TO AND WILL STILL ADDRESS A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMISSION, SECTION 13 AND PAGE 66.

BUT I WANT TO PREFACE THAT BY SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF BALLOT QUESTIONS FOR OUR VOTERS IN THE FALL.

I WAS INFORMED BY STAFF MONDAY IT COULD BE 17 OR 18 SEPARATE INITIATIVES.

AND I'M CONCERNED, TOO ABOUT VOTER FATIGUE WITH THAT MANY.

AND FURTHER, I THINK THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMISSION, WHILE NEEDED, COULD JUST AS SOON BE A CREATURE OF CODE, JUST LIKE SO MANY OF OUR COMMISSIONS ARE. IS THERE A REASON WHY THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THE CHARTER? NOTE THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMISSION.

IF THE COUNCIL CHOSE TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO PUT THAT IN THE CITY CODE, THAT IS A COMMISSION THAT COULD BE CREATED BY ORDINANCE.

OKAY, THEN MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHICH RELATES TO PAGE 66, THE LANGUAGE IN SUBPOINTS D AND E, WHICH INCLUDE THE TERM PROJECTS IN THREE PLACES.

I AM CURIOUS WHY THAT TERM WAS USED, IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO DESCRIBE THAT.

THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS QUESTION IS THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AT THIS BODY, THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROPOSITION DOESN'T CONTAIN SPECIFIED PROJECTS.

INSTEAD, IT CREATES A FUND THAT CAN BE USED TO INCENTIVIZE PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE FUTURE AS THEY COME UP.

AND SO USING THE TERM PROJECTS HERE, I THINK IS UNNECESSARILY RESTRICTIVE.

AND I'M WONDERING WHY IT WOULDN'T BE BETTER TO STATE IN ITS PLACE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OR ALTERNATIVELY, INITIATIVES RATHER THAN SPECIFIED PROJECTS. SO THIS AMENDMENT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AND SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD ON THAT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T AT THE MEETINGS, WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THOSE SPECIFIC ISSUES.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT OFFLINE.

OKAY. THAT'S IT, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ.

THANK YOU, MAYOR ATKINS, I WILL.

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FIRST I WANTED TO GO BACK TO RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

I DIDN'T REALLY SPEAK ON SOME OF THESE.

SO THIS IS A TRIGGER ON IT.

IS THAT IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY CLEAR IT HAS A TRIGGER BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY STATE LAW AT THIS POINT.

BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THE STATE LAW CHANGES THAT WOULD ALLOW RANKED CHOICE VOTING, THEN THIS WOULD TRIGGER THE CHARTER TO THEN BECOME OUR WAY OF VOTING. IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? THAT'S CORRECT, THAT'S CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. SO, COLLEAGUES, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THERE, MR. MAYOR, I'M SORRY. PLEASE.

IT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE.

BUT THEN I THINK THE CITY WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THIS WAY.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, FOR CLEARING THAT UP.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

COLLEAGUES AND MR. MAYOR AS MUCH AS I PERSONALLY ALIGN WITH RANKED CHOICE VOTING, AND AS MUCH AS I PERSONALLY BELIEVE IN RANKED CHOICE VOTING, I ALSO DO NOT LIKE.

AND I'M OFFENDED BY TRIGGERS.

WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW AS A SOCIETY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, THE STATE LEVEL AND THE NATIONAL LEVEL ON SOMETHING THAT I COMPLETELY DO NOT AGREE WITH, TAKING AWAY SOMEBODY'S RIGHTS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DON'T LIKE RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE ON THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE CLEAR ON THAT.

WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS WHAT IF RANKED CHOICE VOTING BECOMES PERMISSIBLE IN 25, 50, 75, 100, 200 YEARS FROM NOW? AND PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THIS CHARTER PORTION, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED.

THINGS HAVE JUST CHANGED.

AND THEN SOCIETY DOES NOT WANT THIS.

I DON'T I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DON'T LIKE THIS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE LIVING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NON-THOUGHT THROUGH CORRECTLY TRIGGER LAWS THAT TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S RIGHTS, HAPPEN WHEN ONE SIDE DOES NOT REALLY LOOK AT THE OTHER? AND THIS ONE IS REALLY BAFFLING ME BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT AND NOTHING AGAINST THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS A IT ALSO WAS TESTY.

IT WAS I THINK IT ENDED UP BEING A 8 TO 6 VOTE.

IT WAS SEVEN SEVEN AND THEN BECAME 8 TO 6.

SO EVEN THERE IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO DECIDE.

AND REGARDLESS OF HOW PEOPLE FELL ON THEIR VOTING AS MUCH AS I WANT RANKED CHOICE VOTING TO HAPPEN, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S INDICATIVE OF US AS A BODY TO SEND TO THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE SAYING YES OR NO TO THAT WOULD AFFECT SOCIETY.

AND AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW. IT COULD BE A YEAR FROM NOW.

IT COULD BE 100 YEARS FROM NOW.

THERE'S NO CRYSTAL BALL THAT TELLS US WHAT THAT IS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.

PLEASE. YEAH. SO I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, ON, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE HAD THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, CONTROVERSIAL OR, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC REALLY GOT MOTIVATED ABOUT NUMBER ONE PARKS, ANYTHING WITH PARKS THAT'S FULL BEHIND US.

RIGHT. AND THE SECOND ONE WAS PROBABLY RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT IT THAT MADE A LOT OF SENSE, BUT PEOPLE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND SO AS YOU ALL GO FORWARD, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

RANKED CHOICE VOTING. IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE MOST I WON'T SAY CONTESTED, BUT THE HOTTEST ISSUE BEFORE YOU PROBABLY MORE SO THAN HOW MUCH COUNCIL SHOULD BE PAID.

I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

AND IT'S ON SOMETHING THAT COULD MAY NOT EVEN HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CAUSE TURMOIL AMONGST THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON A VOTING ON AN ITEM THAT COULDN'T EVEN HAPPEN TODAY.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. AND THE NEXT THING IS THE COMMITTEE BOND, TASK FORCE, COMMISSION ITEM.

I WOULD RATHER WAIT AND HOLD ON THAT ONE SO WE CAN GET THAT RIGHT.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE, I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A HIGHER THRESHOLD WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR BUDGET.

AMONGST EVERYBODY ELSE FOR MANY, MANY REASONS.

BUT NO ONE GROUP SHOULD NOT GET A HIGHER THRESHOLD THAN ANYBODY ELSE INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING.

COUNCILWOMAN ARNOLD, THANK YOU.

JUST REAL QUICK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I CLARIFIED THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT INTERFERENCE.

THE WORD INTERFERENCE, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER WORD, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS I DO SUPPORT THIS ACTION IN TERMS OF THE INTENT OF THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT OUR EMPLOYEES.

NEXT ON THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS.

AND I'M GOING TO JUST SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.

I PULLED MY MEMO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE 2022.

AND WE FOUND THAT THE ITEM.

DALLAS MORNING NEWS IS IDENTIFIED AS A SOLE SOURCE OF COMMUNICATION FOR THE COMMUNICATION THAT'S DESIGNATED BY THE CITY.

AND IN 2022, WE GAVE THEM SOME $2 MILLION, 2,462,543 FOR THEIR SOLE ROLE IN SUPPORTING AND PROMOTING ADS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE SHARED WITH COMMUNITY NEWSPAPERS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE OTHER SOME CLARITY AROUND OTHER MEDIA OPTIONS.

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AND WE NOT LEAVE IT JUST TO THE STAFF TO SAY THIS IS A COMMUNICATION PLAN.

WE STILL HAVE TO REMEMBER EQUITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHORT IN ON.

THIS LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I THINK ON RANK VOTING, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

I'M IN THIS CULTURALLY FROM A SLANG TERM STANDPOINT.

RANK IN SLANG TERM MEANS NOT GOOD.

AND SO IN MY CASE HERE, RANK VOTING IS NOT GOOD FOR US TO EVEN PUT IN THE WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, THAT MAGIC BALL? THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN.

LET'S NOT CONFUSE OUR VOTERS NOW.

THEY ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAVE TO PULL THEM TO THE POLLS.

SO LET'S JUST DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND THEN MAYBE THIS RANK VOTING CAN BE CAN GO THROUGH AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS WHERE YOU START TO EDUCATE PEOPLE AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD THEY CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

BUT I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT, IT TRIGGERS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGETS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS MAY BE AT THE TIME FOR US TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK MOST OF ALL HERE, I KNOW NOW THAT WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT AND I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROLONG, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR WORK ON THE COMMISSION, ALL OF THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO IT.

AND I DID HEAR ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON, BUT I PROBABLY WON'T I WON'T BE HERE TEN YEARS FROM NOW.

IS THAT THE NATURE OF THE COMMISSION, ALSO OFTEN DETERMINES WHAT COMES OUT.

AND SO WHEN YOU STACK, I THINK THIS WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

WHEN YOU STACK THE COMMISSION, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION FROM CERTAIN DISTRICTS, YOU DON'T GET A DIVERSITY.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING I WANT TO PUT HERE TOO, SO THAT WE GET DIVERSITY IN TERMS OF GEOGRAPHICALLY SPEAKING ACROSS THIS CITY.

AND WE'RE NOT JUST STACKING IT SO THAT YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT.

ALL COMMISSIONERS I THINK, BUT I WANT TO THANK IN PARTICULAR, MISTER ISAAC STEIN, WHO IS MY COMMISSIONER, WHO STOOD STRONG ON A NUMBER OF THINGS, AND I APPLAUD HIM FOR THAT.

BUT WE MUST STAND STRONG AS WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT EQUITY.

WE CANNOT FORGET THAT AS WE ROLL OUT SOME OF THIS CHARTER LANGUAGE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DO THAT AND DEFINITELY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF STAFF MEMBERS WHO SHOULD COME TO THIS BUILDING FEELING EVERY DAY THEY CAN DO A JOB WITH BEING WITHOUT BEING HARASSED OR DEMEANING OR DEMORALIZED OR THREATENED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHICH I KNOW NONE OF US DO.

BUT YOU MAY HAVE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS IN THE FUTURE AND WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I HAVE QUESTIONS THAT I DIDN'T REALLY GET CLARITY ON DURING Y'ALL'S PROCESS, WHICH IS THE PROPOSAL AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL COMING UNDER AS A DIRECT REPORT TO THE COUNCIL.

I REMEMBER THIS BEING DISCUSSED, AND I'VE HEARD IT DISCUSSED FROM WHEN WE HAD ETHICS REFORM, WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THIS OFFICE AND KNEW THAT THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE REFLECTED IN THE CHARTER.

BUT I'M REALLY CONFUSED ON HOW SOMEONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE AUTONOMY TO EVEN HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE ON ETHICAL STANDARDS IS DIRECTLY REPORTING TO US.

SEEMS LIKE A CONFLICT, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW IS THAT IN ANY MORE INDEPENDENT IF SOMEONE IS.

POTENTIALLY INVESTIGATING HIS BOSSES.

I'M WONDERING IF BART IS HERE.

HE'S OUR INSPECTOR GENERAL.

THIS WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.

THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE ON ETHICS.

FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL TO REPORT TO ALL 15 MEMBERS.

IT'S NOT UNCOMMON IN OTHER INSPECTOR GENERAL OFFICES FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL TO REPORT TO ALL 15.

IT STILL DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION ON THE PROCEDURE.

I WOULD LIKE FOR AND BECAUSE BECAUSE I GET THAT IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED ON THE TASK FORCE.

WHAT MY CONCERN IS, I THINK THAT ALL OF US ARE LOOKING FOR US TO BE AS STREAMLINED AND AND MOST OVERSIGHT AS POSSIBLE, WE WANT TO HAVE ETHICAL STANDARDS, BUT I THINK THAT IT ACTUALLY GOES BACKWARDS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO HAVE DIRECT OVERSIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE HOLDING THEM TO THOSE ETHICAL STANDARDS. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, TO ME, SCREAM INDEPENDENCE OR AUTONOMY.

WELL, I THINK THERE'S OPTIONS IN BART'S COMING UP.

I THINK THERE'S OPTIONS. IF THERE IS A ETHICS COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL TO BE ABLE TO TO ENGAGE AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATIVE AGENCY TO HELP WITH AN INVESTIGATION OR TO DO THE INVESTIGATION.

SO THERE ARE OPTIONS, BUT THE THE POINT OF IT IS FOR THE INSPECTOR GENERAL TO REPORT DIRECTLY TO THIS BODY AND TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE WORK THAT HE'S DOING. BART, DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE.

THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU'RE REPORTING TO ALL 15, ISN'T THAT A CONFLICT? IF YOU'RE INVESTIGATING ONE OF THEM?

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I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A CONFLICT.

I THINK THE ISSUE WOULD BE INDEPENDENCE.

WAS THAT THE ISSUE THAT THAT CAME UP? THE DIRECT REPORTING OR LACK THEREOF? EXACTLY. WELL INDEPENDENCE IS DEFINED BY CONTROLLING THE BUDGET, THE STRUCTURE AND JURISDICTION.

AND I THINK FUNCTIONAL INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE ALIGNING THE STRUCTURAL, BUDGETARY AND JURISDICTIONAL POLICY WITH THE MANDATE TO INVESTIGATE FRAUD, WASTE, ABUSE, CORRUPTION AND ETHICS VIOLATIONS.

THE. THE DIFFICULTY IS IF YOU READ THE CODE, 12 A SAYS WE HAVE THOSE FIVE RESPONSIBILITIES INVESTIGATE FRAUD, WASTE, ABUSE, CORRUPTION, AND ETHICS.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO FRAUD AND CORRUPTION, FRAUD AND CORRUPTION OR CRIMINAL OFFENSES.

CHAPTER 32 AND CHAPTER 36.

SO IS THIS ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER? BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY HAD THAT.

WHAT WHAT POWERS ARE YOU LACKING? WELL, AND HOW WOULD THAT BE ADDRESSED IN A CHARTER PROVISION? IN ORDER TO CONDUCT A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, YOU GOT TO HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT STATUS, YOU GOT TO HAVE JURISDICTION, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO AVAIL YOURSELF OF THE TOOLS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO CONDUCT A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

IT'D BE LIKE IF YOU WANT TO DESIGNATE SOMEBODY AS A PASTRY CHEF AND SAY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO COOK CAKES AND PIES, OKAY? THAT'S JUST LIKE FRAUD AND CORRUPTION.

IN ORDER FOR SOMEBODY TO BAKE THAT, YOU HAVE TO LET THEM IN THE KITCHEN.

YOU GOT TO GIVE THEM THE KEYS TO THE KITCHEN, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T GET IN THE KITCHEN, WHICH IS LIKE JURISDICTION, YOU CAN'T BAKE ANYTHING ONCE YOU GET INSIDE.

IF YOU CAN'T USE THE FLOUR, THE POTS, THE PANS, THE SUGAR, THE MIXING BOWLS AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T BAKE THE CAKE.

SO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CANNOT AVAIL OURSELVES OF WOULD BE LIKE THE TOOLS LIKE NCIC AND TCIC.

THE SYSTEMS LIKE GRAND JURIES.

EXCUSE ME. I JUST WANT TO I'D LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE QUESTION, THOUGH.

HOW DOES THE CHARTER PROVISION GET TO THAT? I YOU'RE SPEAKING A LOT OF I'M CURIOUS ON WHAT THIS CHANGE, HOW THAT AFFORDS YOU WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED? INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE THAT WOULD ALLOW ME TO CONTROL THE STRUCTURE, BUDGETARY AND JURISDICTIONAL POLICY WITHIN THE IG DIVISION. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CHARTER PROVISION FOR THAT TO BE ACCOMPLISHABLE.

IS THAT THE ONLY AVENUE TO GET THERE? AND HOW DOES THAT ADDRESS WHERE MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS ON THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF YOU REPORTING DIRECTLY TO US? I KNOW JUST FROM THE DYNAMIC OF WHO OUR DIRECT APPOINTEES ARE, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET MUCH CHALLENGING FROM THEM WHEN IT COMES TO OUR ROLES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO INDEPENDENTLY.

HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT US AS WHO IS YOUR JOB SECURITY? HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE WAY THAT WE CONDUCT OUR JOB? IS IT? I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT.

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT, AND I THINK THAT IT SPEAKS VOLUMES THAT YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY ANSWER OR ARTICULATE EXACTLY HOW THIS IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE AUTONOMY OR INDEPENDENCE THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN WHAT ALREADY EXISTS NOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE A VERY DETAILED DEBATE, SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. NARVAEZ MENTIONED ABOUT ANOTHER PROVISION THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD THAT IT SEEMS A LITTLE HALF BAKED.

I WISH THAT WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE ROBUST BRIEFING SINCE THIS CAME TO LIGHT FROM THE ORDINANCE BEING AMENDED AND ESTABLISHING YOUR OFFICE, BUT GIVING US CLARITY TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BECAUSE I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING ASKING THE VOTERS TO BE TAKING A STEP IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION TO WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OVERSIGHT BEING INDEPENDENT. I DON'T SEE THAT BEING INDEPENDENT IN THAT STRUCTURE.

LET ME ANSWER THE CONFLICT QUESTION RIGHT NOW UNDER CHAPTER 12A IF THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION OF ME, HE HAS TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE PERSON TO DO THAT INVESTIGATION BECAUSE I SUPERVISE HIM.

THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION IN A 12A CHANGE, IF THE CHARTER CHANGE TO HAVE HIM APPOINTED AND SUPERVISED BY YOU, IF THERE WAS A COMPLAINT THAT WOULD COME IN, WE WOULD HIRE SOMEBODY FROM THE OUTSIDE TO DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO LOOKING AT WHAT CAN BE HANDLED IN CODE? IT'S ALREADY IN THE CODE THAT HE THE ESTABLISHING THE OFFICE.

THIS IS AN INDEPENDENCE FROM SUPERVISION.

HE WANTS HIS OWN.

HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO INDEPENDENTLY SUPERVISE HIS EMPLOYEES, HIRE HIS EMPLOYEES, AND HAVE HIS OWN, BE IN CHARGE OF HIS OWN BUDGET AND TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU.

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NOT TO ME, NOT TO.

I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN ME, BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY.

OKAY. DID I? IS THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY OF INDEPENDENCE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I'M STILL NOT SOLD. AND I WILL I KNOW THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GO OVER TIME.

SO IS THERE SOMEONE.

SOMEONE ELSE IS ON? I'LL COME BACK FOR A THIRD ROUND.

CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU SPOKE RIGHT.

COUNCILWOMAN ARNOLD.

ARE WE ON OUR THIRD ROUND? YEAH. ALL RIGHT, JUST REAL QUICK.

I'M ON THIS IG PIECE.

I WAS ONE OF THOSE, OF COURSE, WHO VOTED TO TRY TO CUT THE BUDGET.

BUT WHAT I'M HEARING, AM I HEARING.

WOULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID, SIR? YOU WANT WHAT? IN TERMS OF YOUR BUDGET AND YOUR STAFF.

LET ME I NEED TO HEAR THAT AGAIN ON THE RECORD.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE WHAT I WANT.

THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE TASK FORCE THAT CREATED THIS DIVISION AND THAT WAS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE ETHICS ADVISORY COMMISSION MEMBERS ALL 15 WAS TO MAKE US INDEPENDENT.

AND INDEPENDENT, IN MY MIND, IS CONTROLLING THE STRUCTURE, BUDGETARY AND JURISDICTIONAL PIECES OF THE OFFICE.

IN A NUTSHELL.

WHAT IS THAT ABOUT STAFF? CAN YOU SAY THAT? I JUST WANT TO HEAR IT ON THE RECORD.

YOU WANT TO CONTROL YOUR STAFF AS WELL? WELL, SURE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN OBVIOUS COMPONENT OF HAVING CONTROL OF THE STRUCTURE BUDGETARY AND JURISDICTIONAL PIECES.

HIRING AND FIRING. CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

SO IN TERMS OF HOW ARE YOU LOOKING RIGHT NOW WITH EQUITY? HOW ARE WE LOOKING RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT? EQUITY. I THINK PRETTY WELL.

SO WHAT CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF YOUR STAFF NOW SO I CAN KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN I GET READY TO WRITE THIS AMENDMENT? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF DIVERSITY? POINT OF ORDER, PLEASE.

WELL, I'M TRYING TO MAKE MY DECISION ABOUT MY AMENDMENT.

SINCE YOU WANT TO HAVE CONTROL.

I THINK THERE'S A. TAMMY.

EXCUSE ME, MAYOR.

TAMMY, [INAUDIBLE] POINT.

WHAT A POINT OF ORDER.

WHAT WAS THE POINT OF ORDER? IF THE DISCUSSION IS GERMANE TO THE CHARTER, THE CURRENT STAFFING LEVEL OF THE DEPARTMENT, IF THAT IS GERMANE TO A CHARTER AMENDMENT? THE ISSUE BEFORE US IS WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT THE DEPARTMENT INTO THE CHARTER AND HAVE AN APPOINTED OFFICIAL.

SO I THINK IT'S GOING BEYOND A LITTLE BIT.

SO IS IT GERMANE OR RELEVANT? I'M GOING TO MAKE IT RELEVANT THEN RELEVANT IS IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO GET THIS POWER, I'M SIMPLY ASKING YOU NOW WHAT CAN I BASE MY RECOMMENDATION OR AMENDMENT TO? ARE YOU NOW STAFFED WITH A DIVERSE STAFF? AND SO PERHAPS WE CAN WRITE THAT UP IN LANGUAGE HERE SO I CAN SEE IT.

WE CAN GET IT. AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN, ANGLO, LATINO.

WHAT YOUR STAFF LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW? SO I CAN MAKE MY RECOMMENDATION WHETHER TO SUPPORT THIS OR NOT.

WELL THAT'S YOUR TIME. WELL, CAN HE ANSWER THAT PUBLICLY? I'D BE HAPPY TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

CAN YOU ANSWER IT PUBLICLY, THOUGH? RIGHT NOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE SINCE YOU'RE IN CHARGE? WELL, THAT REQUIRES SOME SUBJECTIVITY.

THERE'S SOME FOLKS WHO CONSIDER THEMSELVES HALF THIS AND HALF THAT, AND IF I ASK THAT INDIVIDUAL, THEY WOULD GIVE ME AN ANSWER.

THERE'S SOME FOLKS WHO DON'T CARE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU AND GET IT TO YOU AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.

DO WE HAVE A FOURTH ROUND? BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A HALF OF HALF OF WHAT? THAT'S ALL THAT'S YOUR TIME. BUT HALF OF WHAT? THAT'S YOUR TIME, MS. ARNOLD. SIR, I'M JUST MAYOR.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU I'M OFFENDED BY HALF OF A PERSON YOU CAN'T DESCRIBE WHAT ETHNICITY IS, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ETHNICITY AND EQUITY.

MS. ARNOLD THAT'S YOUR TIME.

WE APPRECIATE IT. I'M DONE.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN WES.

OH, THAT'S GOING TO BE FUN TO FOLLOW.

[LAUGHTER] SO I WANT TO JUMP BACK TO MR. BAZALDUA'S QUESTIONS FOR A MINUTE.

YOU KNOW WHAT HAS COME UP? AND WE SAW IN THE GPFM COMMITTEE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET AND WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY IS THAT THE COSTS ARE GROWING.

AND THEN WHEN WE WERE ON GPFM, WE WEREN'T EVEN SURE WHAT THE BUDGET WAS AT THE TIME.

SO FOR ME, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THIS AMENDMENT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TODAY.

WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATION TO THE CITY NOW AND IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A BUDGET THAT THE DEPARTMENT THAT KEEPS ON GROWING, KEEPS ON GROWING WITH MORE AND MORE AUTHORITY.

I MEAN, WE ALL WANT THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AS A COUNCIL FOR THIS BUDGET OR FOR THIS, I MEAN, IT IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

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WHATEVER WE DO ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, IT'S GOING TO VASTLY IMPACT OUR BUDGET.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE PENSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FORECAST OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN.

I JUST WANT TO FIRST START OFF BY HIGHLIGHTING SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU THE CHANGES TO THE REFERENDUM, VOTER REFERENDUMS WITH A LOWER THRESHOLD OF SIGNATURES AND A EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO COLLECT THEM, I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD GOVERNMENT.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WANT TO BRING THINGS FORWARD, BUT THE BAR IS TOO HIGH.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

FOR THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMISSION, ONE OF THE REASONS I DID BRING THIS FORWARD IS BECAUSE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AND IT NOT HAVING BEEN FOLLOWED.

BUT THE REASON WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT IN THE CHARTER IS BECAUSE THE CHARTER IS SPECIFYING THE TEN YEAR REVIEW.

SO THIS IS JUST THE VEHICLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

IF THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN IT BEING PART OF AN ORDINANCE INSTEAD, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, WE ARE PROVIDING GOOD GOVERNMENT BY ALLOWING PROPER NOTIFICATION OF MEETINGS AND LOCATIONS AND RECORDINGS OF THOSE.

THE NEXT THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IS IT'S PAGE 36, AND THIS IS ABOUT THE AUGUST 15TH DATE FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE DRAFT BUDGET BY THE MANAGER.

AND I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THAT? BECAUSE IN PRACTICE, WE GET THE BUDGET MUCH EARLIER THAN AUGUST 15TH, AND BY MUCH I ONLY MEAN A COUPLE DAYS.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 800 PAGE BUDGETS AND WE HAVE TO APPROVE BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER, EVERY DAY MATTERS.

AND THE FINALIZATION BY THE TAXING ENTITIES IS THE LAST DAY IN JULY.

SO OUR CFO KNOWS THAT DAY.

LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S THE FINAL NUMBER I'M GETTING.

SO HERE'S GOING TO BE MY ACTUAL BUDGET.

AND OF COURSE IT HAS TO BE PRINTED.

SO IN PRACTICE I THINK WE'VE BEEN GETTING IT THE THIRD, FOURTH, FIFTH OF THE MONTH OF AUGUST.

AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TALK TO THAT.

YES, MA'AM. THIS IS A TECHNICAL CHANGE BECAUSE THE AUGUST 15TH DATE WAS WHAT WAS ALREADY IN THE CHARTER.

INSTEAD IT JUST SAID IN THE CHARTER ON AUGUST 15TH, AS YOU JUST STATED, WE DON'T DO THAT.

WE GIVE IT THE CITY MANAGER GIVES THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO YOU AT AN EARLIER DATE, WHATEVER THE BRIEFING DATE WOULD BE IN AUGUST.

SO THIS JUST CHANGES THE WORD ON TO BUY SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THAT PRACTICE.

NOTHING OPERATIONAL WOULD CHANGE.

OKAY, WELL, I'D BE INTERESTED IN AN EARLIER DATE.

LIKE, NO LATER THAN THE 10TH, MAYBE.

BUT EVEN EARLIER THAN THAT IS, OF COURSE, ALWAYS MY PREFERENCE.

AND I THINK IS FAIR TO DO.

THE LAST ONE.

WAS IT CORRECT THAT YOU WERE REALLY ONLY LOOKING TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD, NOT ONES THAT WERE NOT? THAT'S CORRECT, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THINGS THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

WELL, I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE CONSIDERATION THAT WAS GIVEN ABOUT THE POLICE CHIEF, PERHAPS THE COUNCIL HAVING SOME VOICE IN THAT VOTE, AS IS PRACTICE NOW, THERE'S COMMITTEES THAT ARE PUT TOGETHER WITH PANELS FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

WE'VE DONE VERY PUBLIC INTERVIEWS, AND WE HAVE HAD SOME INSTANCES WHERE THERE WERE VOICE CONCERNS ABOUT POLICE CHIEFS OR ENORMOUS SUPPORT.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US THOSE DELIBERATIONS.

WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, ON THAT ONE, I CAN'T I DON'T RECALL THAT.

IT DIDN'T GO THAT FAR. OKAY. MISS MENDELSOHN, THAT'S YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO DO ROUND THREE? BEFORE THAT, CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ.

I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE WHO JUST SPOKE ABOUT LOWERING THE THRESHOLD FOR PETITIONS FOR THE PEOPLE'S PETITION TO GET SOMETHING ON THERE.

GREAT ONE. I THINK THAT WAS THROUGH FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER ANGELA HUNT.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT, BECAUSE I DO AGREE WITH THAT ONE.

I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL.

SO ON THIS ONE IF THE CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU CAN GET ME THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT WERE ALLOCATED IN THE BUDGET FOR THE POSITIONS THAT WE BUDGETED FOR AND HOW MANY ARE OPEN AND HOW MANY ARE FILLED? AND OF THOSE OPENINGS, HOW MANY OF THOSE OPENINGS HAVE BEEN OPENED FOR HOW LONG? AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER, IF YOU CAN HELP US WITH THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WERE ASKED FOR BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYBODY GOES THROUGH WORKDAY.

[03:25:03]

SO I THINK THAT Y'ALL WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A FASTER WAY OF GETTING THAT TO US THAN THE IG TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT ON HIS OWN.

IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO US, I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE IT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL REALLY HELP US WITH THIS CHARTER REVIEW AMENDMENT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THERE IS SHE GONE? MISS MENDELSOHN YOUR LAST ROUND, I BELIEVE.

MISS ARNOLD.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE LANGUAGE ABOUT COUNCIL NOT INTERFERING WITH THE STAFF.

AND I THINK WHAT IS NECESSARY IN THERE IS ACTUALLY A PROVISION THAT ENCOURAGES COUNCIL TO TALK TO STAFF, LIKE THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR JOB.

BUT THAT PERHAPS THE WORD INTERFERE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO SOMETHING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THREATEN OR RETALIATE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE CONSIDERATIONS OF OTHER WORDS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE BOTH PARTS IN THERE ENCOURAGING COUNCIL.

AND MAYBE YOU NEED TO SAY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND ABOVE OR DIRECTOR AND ABOVE WITH AN INVITATION FROM THE DIRECTOR TO SPEAK TO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS DIRECTLY.

BUT IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THAT WORD, INTERFERE.

I THINK THAT YOU'RE HEARING A LOT OF HESITATION FROM COUNCIL ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT CAN MEAN SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

SO IN THE DISCUSSION OF OTHER WORDS WEREN'T MENTIONED BECAUSE THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US IN THE CONTEXT OF, YOU KNOW, ONLY WANTING THE ABILITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO TALK WITH THOSE PERSONS.

THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO INTENT, THOUGH, BEHIND THIS CHANGE, TO OPEN UP ANY EMPLOYEE TO ANY KIND OF ABUSIVE CONVERSATIONS, HARASSING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

SO AGAIN, IT'S LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER AND YOU ALLUDED TO IT, THE WORD, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IN THE CHARTER, YOU KNOW IT'S A LOT.

RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL MOVE FORWARD, YOU ALL HAVE THE CHANCE TO CHANGE THIS HOW YOU WANT.

AND MAYBE THE CHANGE IS YOU WANT TO KEEP THIS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT YOU CAN'T HARASS OR INTERFERE, WHATEVER THAT MEANS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEFINED IN HERE.

BUT YOU CAN COMMUNICATE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLY WITH PEOPLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER KIND OF MATTER THAT'S GERMANE.

SO I KNOW I'M OUT OF TIME.

SO MY FOLLOW UP, THOUGH, IS JUST TO SAY THAT PERHAPS THE DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT WORD IS WOULD ACTUALLY CLARIFY THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT POINT.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE.

SO IT IS. I'M IN THERE.

OH, [INAUDIBLE].

OKAY, BAZALDUA.

I WANTED TO JUST SUGGEST FOR THE DEADLINE TO BE EXTENDED TO FRIDAY INSTEAD OF WEDNESDAY.

WEDNESDAY DEADLINES ARE PRETTY HARD FOR US.

SO IT WOULD MAKE BETTER SENSE.

I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE FOR THERE TO BE AN OUTLINE GIVEN TO US ON EXACTLY WHAT TO EXPECT ON HOW THESE ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN UP.

I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT A REFERENCE POINT ON WHAT THIS PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, WE'RE LOOKING BACK AT LIKE BUDGET AMENDMENTS, RIGHT? AND THOSE ARE ON FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE.

AND JUST AS YOU ALL DID WITH CHAIRMAN BOTTS COMMISSION, THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS THAT NEED TO GET ADDRESSED FIRST OR EVEN GROUPED TOGETHER.

AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF GUIDELINE AND WORKING DOCUMENT THAT KEEPS US ABREAST TO, AS THEY ARE COMING IN AND WHAT LANGUAGE WILL BE CONSIDERED AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORD CONSIDERATIONS AND PROPOSALS GOING FORWARD, PLEASE.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER AND I WILL NOTE WE DO APPEAR TO HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLLOW UP ACTION ITEMS RESULTING FROM THIS CONVERSATION, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND CIRCLE BACK WITH THAT OUTLINE PROCESS AND THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUESTED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU MAYOR. MISS YOU ALREADY HAD THREE ROUND.

I SAID THANK YOU, MAYOR. OH YOU'RE WELCOME.

OKAY. [LAUGHTER] IT IS NOW 1:05 ON MAY 1ST.

[Closed Session]

THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.71 UNDER TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED ON TODAY AGENDA. SEEK THE ADVICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING LATOYA PORTER VERSUS CITY OF DALLAS.

CASE NUMBER DC-119-17257.

WE WILL RETURN BACK AT 1:35 FOR LUNCH.

I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING HAD COMPLETED ITS CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT AT 2:05 P.M.

ON MAY 1, 2024, WE HAVE RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION.

[03:30:01]

CITY MANAGER ITEM B.

[B. 24-1378 FY 2024-25 HUD Consolidated Plan Budget Discussion and Amendments]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR.

YOUR NEXT ITEM ON YOUR BRIEFING AGENDA FOR TODAY IS A CONTINUATION OF DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FY 24-25 HUD CONSOLIDATED PLAN BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL THE 17TH.

TODAY'S STEP IN THE PROCESS IS TO CONSIDER ANY CITY COUNCIL PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET.

AS OF FRIDAY, APRIL THE 26TH, WE RECEIVED ONE AMENDMENT.

AFTER DISCUSSIONS OF AMENDMENTS TODAY, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET NEXT WEDNESDAY, WITH FINAL APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET SCHEDULED ON JUNE THE 12TH.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO TURN THIS OVER TO JANETTE WEEDON, DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES, AND CHAN WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES, FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS TOLBERT, AND GOOD AFTERNOON.

AS SHE MENTIONED, WE PRESENTED THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED HUD BUDGET ON APRIL THE 17TH.

WE HAVE ONE AMENDMENT, AND SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER WEST TO READ THE MOTION FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ACT AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

THANK YOU. I MOVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL GO INTO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO CONSIDER RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE 2024-25 HUD CONSOLIDATED PLAN BUDGET.

SECOND. THANK YOU.

SO YOU HAVE ONE AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU.

AND SO IF THE.

POINT OF ORDER. THAT WAS IT.

WE HAVEN'T VOTED OR DISCUSSED OR VOTED.

DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT FIRST? ALL IN FAVOR? WANTS. DISCUSSION.

A POINT OF ORDER.

WE DO WE? WE GOT VOTE AT FIRST.

NO, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA.

OH! CAROLYN ARNOLD YOUR LIGHTS ON.

DON'T. HOLD ON.

POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR. DON'T WE NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE? YES WE DO. ON POINT OF ORDER.

THE VOTES BEEN CALLED.

IT'S OUT OF ORDER. CAN I GET A RULING ON THAT? BECAUSE THE VOTING HAS BEEN CALLED AND I EVEN HEARD AYES.

ONCE THE VOTING BEGINS, NO LONGER YOU CANNOT HAVE DISCUSSION ANY FURTHER.

POINT OF ORDER, MR. MAYOR.

YES. CAN THE VOTE WASN'T THE DISCUSSION WAS NEVER CALLED WITH THE VOTE BEING CALLED.

SO IS THAT OUT OF ORDER OR NOT OUT OF ORDER.

CAN YOU JUST IS THE CHAIR ALLOWED TO BYPASS? I GUESS THE POINT OF INFORMATION, APOLOGIES.

IS THE CHAIR ALLOWED TO BYPASS DISCUSSION AND CALL FOR A VOTE? I MEAN, THE VOTE WAS MADE AND SECOND, AND HE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE.

AND THEN AT THAT TIME YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE SAID I, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED.

AND I DID. I SAID, POINT OF ORDER.

SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR.

NOW WE HAVE A DISCUSSION.

WELL, I'M JUST ASKING THAT IF THE BODY WANTS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.

IF THE BODY WANTS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS A WHOLE, THEY CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AS A WHOLE.

I MADE A RULING ON SHE MADE A RULING, YOU KNOW, AS A WHOLE YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION.

AFTER THE VOTE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? HOW MANY WHO ARE OPPOSED? I DIDN'T SEE THE HAND. MADAM SECRETARY.

TWO NOTED. TWO IN OPPOSITION IS NOTED, MR. MAYOR. SO THE VOTE CARRIES, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, MR. MAYOR.

VOTE CARRIED.

COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

TAMMY. GO AHEAD.

SO AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE ONE AMENDMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED LAST WEEK AND IT IS TO IT WAS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

SO HE HAS A MOTION TO READ.

I MOVE THAT WE TRANSFER 50% OF THE PROPOSED CDBG FUNDING FOR DRIVERS OF POVERTY PROGRAM TO COMMUNITY COURTS.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? I SEE IS CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ.

OH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WAS I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY COURTS IF WE DO NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

THERE IS NO IMPACT ON COMMUNITY COURT.

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THE CITY MANAGERS RECOMMENDED BUDGET PROPOSAL, MOVED COMMUNITY COURT OR MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE COMMUNITY COURT TO THE GENERAL FUND.

COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY MOTION KEEPS HALF OF IT IN CDBG, SO IT JUST MEANS THAT HALF WILL BE FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND AND HALF WILL BE FUNDED BY CDBG.

AND THEN IT REDUCES THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE TO FUND OTHER DRIVERS OF POVERTY.

BUT THERE'S NO IMPACT ON COMMUNITY COURT.

AND DO THE COMMUNITY COURTS IMPACT THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY? YOU COULD LIST THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY, JANETTE.

BUT I WOULD SAY YES.

SO. OKAY, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE MAYOR'S, IN THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE, THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY THAT ARE IN HERE, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CORRELATION BETWEEN THE COURTS AND THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON SINCE 2016 AND CONTINUES TO WORK ON.

SO. I MEAN, I DO UNDERSTAND THIS.

THE IMPACT OF THE COMMUNITY COURT AND THE RESPONSES THAT MR. IRELAND SENT FORWARD.

BUT SINCE THE FUNDING FOR THE COMMUNITY COURT REMAINS WHOLE THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS HELPFUL, THIS MOTION.

IS THAT A QUESTION FOR STAFF? I GUESS I'LL ASK MR. RIDLEY. MR. RIDLEY, HOW DOES THIS HELP COMMUNITY COURTS, WHEN THE COURTS WOULD STILL BE FULLY FUNDED THROUGH THE BUDGET? BECAUSE OF THE SOURCE OF THE FUNDING, INSTEAD OF BEING EXPOSED TO THE VAGARIES OF THE BUDGETARY PROCESS FOR 100% OF THEIR BUDGET, HALF OF IT WOULD BE FUNDED BY CDBG FUNDING, WHICH WE KNOW WILL BE CONSTANT OVER THE FIVE YEAR SPAN OF THIS BUDGET.

AND THEN TELL ME HOW WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY AND.

SHOULD HAVE NONE BECAUSE THEY WILL STILL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF FUNDING.

IT'S JUST FROM THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET INSTEAD OF HALF OF IT BEING FROM CDBG.

SO THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY PROGRAM THEN IS SUBJECT TO THE VAGARIES RATHER THAN THE COURTS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET? WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY.

AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT STAFF'S PROPOSAL TO TRANSFER THIS 100% OF THIS FUND, WHICH WOULD BE A LITTLE OVER 700,000 WOULD BE TO WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT STAFF'S RATIONALE IS, BUT THE MOTION IS PROPOSED.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS JUST IN TERMS OF MY TIME, THAT'S WHY I'M INTERRUPTING MY QUESTION TO YOU OR CARA MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT FOR.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS OF THE ITEMS HERE, I'M LOOKING AT THE MEMO OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE.

IF WE CUT THOSE ITEMS OR MOVE ALL OF THESE ITEMS, AS YOU'RE SUGGESTING, TO THE SAME VAGARIES OF THE CITY BUDGET THAT YOU REFER TO IN THE COURTS, HOW ARE THOSE ASSURED? HOW ARE THOSE WHAT? ASSURED? JUST LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO SHORE UP THE COURTS, I WANT TO I'M ASKING HOW THE ALL THESE ITEMS THEN WOULD BE GUARANTEED AS WELL.

WELL, THE COMMUNITY COURTS IS A DRIVER OF POVERTY.

I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.

SO I'LL GO ON THEN.

I'M JUST I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS GOING TO HELP MOVE THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY, WHICH WE KNOW AND WE HEAR ALL THE TIME.

HOW THAT WILL BE ASSURED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT. I GUESS THE QUESTION TO YOU, MISS WEEDON, IS, DO YOU KNOW, IN YOUR TIME WITH THE CITY WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMUNITY COURTS HAVE EVER BEEN CUT FINANCIALLY IN THE BUDGET? SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

BUT LET ME JUST CLARIFY A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.

SO OUR CDBG FUNDING OVERALL HAS DECLINED.

SO THE PUBLIC SERVICES CATEGORY IS NOT A GUARANTEED FUNDING YEAR OVER YEAR.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORICAL ALLOCATIONS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE RECOMMENDED AMOUNT IS FOR PUBLIC SERVICES PUBLIC SERVICES HAS EXPERIENCED A REDUCTION, AFTER SCHOOL TIME PROGRAMS HAVE EXPERIENCED A REDUCTION.

SO ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS WITHIN THE PUBLIC SERVICES CATEGORY HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME TYPE OF REDUCTION IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT YEAR OVER YEAR THE FUNDING WILL REMAIN CONSTANT.

THANK YOU. SO ACTUALLY THAT DOES CLARIFY THINGS FOR ME BECAUSE TO COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY'S POINT, I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY COURTS ARE SO, SO IMPORTANT AND I WOULD RATHER LEAVE THE FUNDING TO US WHO CAN GUARANTEE AN ONGOING SOURCE OF FUNDING ON THAT THAN SOMETHING THAT'S

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OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THAT WAS VERY ELOQUENT.

AND HOW YOU SAID THAT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD TAKE ANY ACTION THAT WOULD FURTHER RESTRICT THE USE OF OUR DOLLARS WHEN WE HAVE SUCH AMAZING PROGRAMS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY COURTS.

THESE COMMUNITY COURTS ARE THE LIFELINE AND A TOOL THAT ALLOWS FOR AN EQUITABLE OPPORTUNITY AND REVERSES A LOT OF WHAT WE WOULD YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A PIPELINE TO PRISON THAT IS A VICIOUS CYCLE THAT ONLY PERPETUATES POVERTY.

AND I SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S MY CONSTITUENTS ALONG WITH SEVERAL OF OUR COLLEAGUES WHO THESE ARE MOST CRITICAL TO.

I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THE PREDICTABILITY ON THE AMOUNT.

AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, I'D LOVE FOR US TO KNOW WHERE WE CAN SCALE THAT MOVING FORWARD.

AND ANY ACTION THAT THAT GOES AGAINST THAT PRECEDENT BEING SET.

I WANT TO ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS IS, I BELIEVE, THE THIRD CONVERSATION WITHIN COMMITTEES AND FULL COUNCIL THAT WE'VE HAD WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND I THINK THAT THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN BROUGHT UP EVEN IN DISCUSSION AND IN DISCUSSION, I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A VERY CLEAR CONSENSUS OF ACTUALLY TAKING THIS ACTION.

SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN MITIGATE GOING BACK THROUGH THE HOURS OF DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD ON THIS TOPIC AND MOVE FORWARD AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ.

I THINK WAS MS. ARNOLD NEXT, I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T WANT TO SKIP.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. SO CHAN, I'M GOING TO SKIP TO CHAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

JUST BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN HERE SO LONG, AS FAR AS, LIKE, YEARS OF SERVICE AND DEALING WITH CDBG HISTORICALLY, WHAT HAPPENED HAS HAPPENED WITH CDBG OVER, LET'S SAY THE LAST I THINK I WAS ON THE COMMISSION IN THE EARLY 2000'S AND BEFORE YOU BECAME THE DIRECTOR OVER THIS DEPARTMENT YOU WERE THE STAFF MEMBER.

[LAUGHTER] SO THAT'S WHY I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF YEARS OF SERVICE WITH US ON THIS.

WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY HAPPENED TO CDBG FUNDING OVER THE YEARS? DOES IT GO UP OR DOES IT GO DOWN? OR WHAT HAPPENS HISTORICALLY? HISTORICALLY, IT HAS BEEN GOING DOWN.

HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN GOING DOWN.

YEAH. AND THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP MR. MAYOR, IS THAT I WAS JUST IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA FOR A NAHLIEL POLICY INSTITUTE, WHICH WE'RE ALL MEMBERS OF.

AND I BELIEVE MY COLLEAGUES, MR. RESENDEZ AND MR. BAZALDUA, WERE BOTH THERE, AND WE HAD THE REALLY BIG FORTUNATE OPPORTUNITY OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION APPOINTEE TO HUD TO BE THERE WITH US TALKING ABOUT SOME HOUSING COMPONENTS AND THINGS THAT THINGS THAT WE COULD BE WORKING ON.

AND IT WAS REALLY PHENOMENAL TO HEAR SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE BEING STARTED THAT WE CAN BE PART OF.

BUT IN THERE, WHAT'S REALLY STRUCK ME HUGE WAS THAT SHE SAID CDBG FUNDING WILL GET CUT AGAIN IN THIS NEXT BUDGET, AND IT WAS CLOSE TO LIKE 10%.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY TERRIFIES ME, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A STRUGGLE TO MAKE PROGRAMS EVEN WORK.

AND HAVING BEEN I REMEMBER BEING ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION BACK IN THE DAY AND WE WERE FREAKING OUT WITH JUST TINY MINUSCULE CUTS.

AND IT'S LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF CUT HAS BEEN SINCE THEN TO NOW.

BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN DRASTIC OVER THE YEARS.

AND WHAT SCARES ME IS THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO JUST LOOK AT CDBG FUNDING FOR THE COMMUNITY COURTS, IS THAT THE COMMUNITY COURTS ARE GOING TO EVENTUALLY NOT HAVE THE FUNDING, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH A COMMUNITY COURTS OR, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF A PROGRAMING.

AND AT SOME POINT WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN IT.

SO I EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF TRYING TO COMPROMISE ON THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT CDBG FUNDING HELPS PROTECT THE COMMUNITY COURTS.

I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE IT'S LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ALL OR NOTHING IN THE NEXT CYCLE OR TWO WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGETS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT TO A HARD CHOICE.

WELL, I WON'T BE HERE, BUT WE'LL BE PUT TO A HARD CHOICE OF DO WE CUT COMMUNITY COURTS OR DO WE CUT SOME OTHER PROGRAMING? AND I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR US TO NOW GO AND JUST TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS NOW AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CDBG FUNDINGS CAN GO INTO OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE THEN ASSISTING THE COMMUNITY COURTS, BECAUSE THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.

SOMETIMES WHEN THE COMMUNITY COURTS ARE GIVING A RULING ON BEHALF OF A CONSTITUENT WHO'S GOTTEN INTO TROUBLE WITH CODE OR WHATEVER GETS THEM INTO COMMUNITY COURT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEN THE COMMUNITY COURT IS ABLE TO HELP THEM FIND ALL THESE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT HELP THEM GET INTO A BETTER SITUATION FOR THEMSELVES.

AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO A ANNUAL COMMUNITY COURT CELEBRATION, WHICH TYPICALLY HAPPENED IN NOVEMBER, I HIGHLY ADVISE YOU, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAVE ONE IN WEST DALLAS, THE WEST DALLAS COMMUNITY COURT.

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I KNOW YOU HAVE ONE IN THE MLK COMMUNITY COURT.

AND IF YOU GET TO SEE THEM, SOMEBODY ELSE IS EVERYBODY IS THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEM.

THEY HAVE THEIR ANNUAL ONE. IT'S EXCITING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE SOMEBODY WHO GOT THE HELP THAT THEY NEEDED AND THEY DON'T JUST COME BACK AND SAY, OH, YAY, I GOT HELP. THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT PERSON AND THE NEXT PERSON KNOWS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY COURT AND THE ASSISTANCE THAT CAN BE RECEIVED THROUGH THAT COMMUNITY COURT.

SO AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE SPIRIT OF THIS COMPROMISE AMENDMENT, I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN SUPPORT BECAUSE I'M REALLY TERRIFIED THAT THE COMMUNITY COURTS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO SUFFER AS CDBG FUNDING GETS CUT MORE AND MORE AS WE MOVE ALONG THE ALONG THE YEARS.

AND IT'S SAD THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISN'T TAKING CARE OF TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS WHEN IT COMES TO CDBG.

I WISH THEY WOULD INCREASE THESE BECAUSE THESE FUNDING'S ARE SO IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S NOT UP TO US.

IT'S UP TO A DIFFERENT BODY TO DEAL WITH THAT BUDGET, AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS SENT TO US AS AN ENTITLEMENT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO AND I'M JUST REALLY WORRIED THAT THESE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE THOUGHT THAT BY THE SWITCH WE COULD UNENCUMBERED CERTAIN DOLLARS IN ORDER TO INCREASE DOLLARS LIKE FOR THE DAYCARE PROGRAM AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT'S WHERE THE CDBG FUNDING REALLY, REALLY BELONGS.

AND WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE I THINK THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN.

I GUESS I'LL ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN THE COMMUNITY COURTS BASED ON THE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE SWITCHED FROM CDBG OVER TO YOUR BUDGET? I THINK IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY COMING OUT OF CDBG AS WELL, TO FIND OTHER GRANTS THAT ARE NOT AS CONSTRAINING ON THE COURTS, BUT WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DEFINITELY BE LOOKING TO COUNCIL IF IT COMES OUT OF THE CDBG, INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO FULLY FUND THE PROGRAM.

SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU ARE RESTRICTED BECAUSE OF IT BEING PART OF CDBG? WE ARE RESTRICTED FROM GETTING DIFFERENT GRANTS THAT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE COMMUNITY COURTS MORE ROBUST.

IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? THAT'S CORRECT.

VERY GOOD. SO JUST WITH ALL OF THAT NOW THAT WE KNOW MORE THINGS, IT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT.

I WANT TO UNTIE THE HANDS OF COMMUNITY COURT SO THEY CAN BECOME MORE ROBUST AND DO MORE.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN. THANK YOU.

CAN YOU CONFIRM? CURRENTLY, COURTS IS FUNDED BOTH FROM CDBG AND THE GENERAL FUND? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR GENERAL FUND OR CDBG BUDGET THAT IS ACTUALLY ASSURED? SO WHAT I'LL SAY ABOUT BUDGET DEVELOPMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2526.

WE HAVE COMPETING NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY.

I KNOW THAT IT IS THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED GOAL TO PRESENT A RECOMMENDED BUDGET, A BALANCED BUDGET TO COUNCIL IN AUGUST.

WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT THEY'LL BE CUTS IN OUR GENERAL FUND? I EXPECT THAT DEPENDING ON THE COMPETING PRIORITIES DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE ASSOCIATED WITH PENSION THAT THERE MAY BE THERE WILL BE SERVICE REDUCTIONS.

COULD YOU ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY THAT COMMUNITY COURTS COULD SUSTAIN ANY CUTS IN FUNDING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY CAN DO THAT.

I MEAN, OUR BUDGET IS SUBJECT TO THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE FOR ANYTHING.

SO THE POINT ABOUT CDBG PROTECTING FUNDING IS THAT IT'S PROTECTING FUNDING FROM THE GENERAL FUND PRESSURES, NOT THAT IT'S PROTECTING FUNDING AS A FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT IT IS A FORMULA GRANT BASED ON CONGRESSIONAL FUNDING AND THE NUMBER OF CITIES THAT PARTICIPATE.

AND THE NUMBER HAS GONE DOWN BECAUSE A LOT MORE CITIES HIT THAT 50,000 POPULATION THRESHOLD.

AS PART OF OUR FEDERAL LEGISLATION WE'RE OF COURSE, GOING TO BE ADVOCATING FOR MORE DOLLARS TO GO TO CDBG AND OTHER FORMULA FUNDED PRIORITIES.

BUT IT'S ALSO A SUGGESTION THAT WE SAY TO OUR CONGRESS PEOPLE THAT REALLY IT'S OUR MORE URBANIZED AREAS WITH HIGHER POPULATIONS THAT NEED THIS, AND PERHAPS THEY NEED TO ADJUST THAT THRESHOLD FROM THE $50,000 TO THE $100,000 OR EVEN A HIGHER NUMBER.

THE NEXT QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU IS SPECIFICALLY, THERE IS A CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAPPENING ABOUT DRIVERS OF POVERTY.

AND I BELIEVE CITY ATTORNEY, YOU ANSWERED THAT, YES, COMMUNITY COURTS IS A DRIVER OF POVERTY.

IS THAT CORRECT? I GUESS I YES I DID.

OKAY. SO BOTH CHILD CARE WHICH WE DID HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AS A PRIORITY.

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AND THE COURTS ARE BOTH DRIVERS OF POVERTY.

SO NO MATTER HOW THIS IS FUNDED, WHETHER IT'S CDBG OR GENERAL FUND, WE WILL BE MAKING INROADS INTO OUR GOAL OF ADDRESSING THOSE NEEDS. WITH THE YOU'VE GOT THIS AMENDMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY, BUT CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS THE CHANGE THAT'S PROPOSED BEFORE THE AMENDMENT TO THE DOLLARS THAT WOULD GO TO CHILD CARE FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS? SO UNDER YOUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL HERE, WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THE INCREASE FOR CHILD CARE? SO THERE'S NO INCREASE IN CHILD CARE PER SE.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED APPENDIX FOR THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM.

THE FUNDING WAS ALLOCATED TO DRIVERS OF POVERTY $736,545.

AND THE DESCRIPTION SAYS THAT THE PROGRAM WILL ADDRESS THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY, WITH FOCUS ON REDUCING AND OR ELIMINATING BARRIERS TO WORK AND CHILD CARE, AND CLOSING DISPARITY GAPS FOR RESIDENTS WITH THE GREATEST NEED.

SO HOW MUCH ARE WE PUTTING TO CHILD CARE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET? SO IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, WE HAVE $738,301 FOR OUT OF SCHOOL TIME PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS AN AFTER SCHOOL AND SUMMER PROGRAM FOR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME YOUTHS AGES 5 TO 12.

THEN WE ALSO HAVE $650,000 FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD AND OUT OF SCHOOL TIME SERVICES PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS FOR THE INFANTS AND TODDLERS IN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES.

SO IN OUR CURRENT YEAR BUDGET IN GENERAL FUND, NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND, THIS IS IN CDBG.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR CHILD CARE.

OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT $650,000 IN CDBG THAT'S GOING FOR EARLY CHILD CARE.

CORRECT. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING 736.

SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS $736,000 FOR THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY.

NOW THE DESCRIPTION, AS I'VE READ, INCLUDES ELIMINATING BARRIERS TO WORK IN CHILD CARE.

THE LANGUAGE REGARDING CHILD CARE WAS AN AMENDMENT BY THE COMMISSION.

SO THEY SPECIFICALLY ADDED THAT LANGUAGE IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY.

SO THE 736 YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR CDBG IS NOT GOING TO GO TO THE 738 FOR OUT OF SCHOOL.

SO IT COULD GO TO ANY PROGRAM THAT ADDRESSES THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY.

I'M NOT PRESCRIBING ANY SPECIFIC PROGRAM AT THIS TIME.

THE DESCRIPTION ALLOWS THE FUNDING TO BE USED FOR ELIMINATING BARRIERS TO WORK IN CHILD CARE, AND CLOSING THE DISPARITY GAPS FOR RESIDENTS.

NOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT BASED ON OUR OUTREACH EVENT, THERE WAS AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE AND FEEDBACK RELATED TO CHILD CARE. AND THE COMMISSION RESPONDED TO THAT BY ADDING THE LANGUAGE RELATED TO INCLUDING CHILD CARE IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY.

OKAY. WELL, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT OVERWHELMING RESPONSE MEANS, BECAUSE I DON'T NEED CONVINCING THAT CHILD CARE IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND THAT THERE'S A BIG DEMAND AND INTEREST IN HAVING THE CITY FUND IT.

THERE'S NO DEBATE ON THAT.

THAT'S A FACT.

BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS DEFINITION THAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR $736,000 THAT THEN REALLY COULD BE USED FOR ALMOST ANYTHING IF IT'S ABOUT EMPLOYMENT. AND THAT'S CORRECT.

EVEN COURTS IS HELPING PEOPLE WITH EMPLOYMENT.

I MEAN, IT'S A THAT'S A VERY BROAD DEFINITION YOU'RE USING.

CORRECT. AND SO AS I MENTIONED AT THE APRIL 17TH PRESENTATION, STAFF IS PREPARED TO IMPLEMENT WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVES.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CLOSE WITH THIS ONE THOUGHT, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY THE SUMMARY OF THIS DISCUSSION TO ME, WHICH IS THAT COURTS ARE THE MAINSTAY OF WHAT WE DO.

THERE'S NOBODY ELSE WHO'S GOING TO FUND COURTS.

IT IS PART OF THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY, ALTHOUGH WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND BY DOING THIS COMMUNITY COURT, WHICH HAS BEEN SO WILDLY SUCCESSFUL.

BUT CHILD CARE IS ACTUALLY NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S GOOD THAT WE DO, I VALUE IT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE CITY'S LANE.

AND SO WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR FORMULA FEDERAL FUNDS, I THINK THEY SHOULD GO TO THE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUAL

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REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS THE GROUP THAT IS CHARGED WITH IT.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE MONEY SHOULD GO TO COURTS.

NOW. YES, THERE'S MONEY IN GENERAL FUND THAT YOU COULD LEVERAGE FOR GRANTS WHEN YOU HAVE A 1 TO 1.

BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING ALL OF THE MONEY OUT OF CDBG AND INTO GENERAL FUND.

WHEN I THINK WE ALL KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERY ROUGH BUDGET COMING, AND IF NOT IN YEAR ONE, THEN IN YEAR TWO, IF NOT IN YEAR ONE AND TWO, THEN ALSO IN YEAR THREE.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A ONE TIME EXERCISE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE BUDGET CHANGE.

AND HOW YOU CAN JUSTIFY THAT WE WILL LIKELY HAVE TO CUT BACK ON COURTS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE FUNDING CHILD CARE IS JUST IT'S JUST OUTRAGEOUS TO ME BECAUSE WE MUST DO COURTS.

THAT'S WE'RE THE ONLY ONES.

THERE'S NOBODY ELSE WHO'S GOING TO SET UP TO DO THAT.

BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF GROUPS THAT DO CHILD CARE, LOTS AND LOTS OF NONPROFITS.

SO THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN WEST. THANK YOU.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

THIS BUDGET HAS GONE THROUGH THE CDC, RIGHT? THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEY WERE BRIEFED.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S A 15 MEMBER APPOINTED COUNCIL COMMISSION.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEY SUPPORTED STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'VE HAD AND THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE PREAMENDMENT VERSION RIGHT, OF THIS BUDGET? THAT'S CORRECT. WHY IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO TO STICK WITH STAFF'S VERSION? THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION WAS SUPPORTED BY THE COMMISSION.

IT'S RESPONDING TO THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY.

ALL RIGHT. AND I JUST I'LL JUST LEAVE IT IN CLOSING THAT I YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, US DIGGING IN, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE AT WHEN SOMETHING'S BEEN THROUGH THIS LEVEL OF SCRUTINY YOU KNOW, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT STAFF ESPECIALLY ON THIS SMALL OF A CHANGE IN SUCH A BIG BUDGET.

AND THEN I WILL JUST SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES, I HOPE WE HAVE THE SAME BUDGET DISCUSSION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFICES, LIKE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GRAND PLAN OF EXPANSION.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THIS IN ALL DEPARTMENTS, AND I JUST HOPE MY COLLEAGUES SHARE THE SAME ENTHUSIASM.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN MORENO.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE DISCUSSION AROUND COMMUNITY COURTS AT THE CDC COMMISSION? I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DISCUSSED COMMUNITY COURTS.

THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DRIVERS OF POVERTY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY COMMISSIONER RAISED SOME CONCERNS TO ME, AND I BELIEVE HE DID SO AT THE COMMITTEE.

CAN YOU LET ME KNOW IF COMMUNITY COURTS FUNDING UNDER CDBG HAS BEEN REDUCED HISTORICALLY? AS DIRECTOR, WE NEED TO SHARE ALL PROGRAMS UNDER THAT CATEGORY HAVE BEEN REDUCED OVER TIME AS THE GRANT HAS GONE DOWN. THE PUBLIC SERVICES CAP IS 15% OF WHAT WE RECEIVED AND AS THE GRANT GOES DOWN, THE CAP MUST BE REDUCED.

SO ALL OF THE PROGRAMS UNDER THAT HAVE BEEN.

AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF I CAN JUST PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE, IN FISCAL YEAR 23, COMMUNITY COURTS BUDGET WAS $763,000.

THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET IS $736,000.

SO THE PROGRAM WAS CUT LAST YEAR FOR THE CURRENT YEAR.

OKAY, SEEING NONE.

I THINK WE GOT GREEN CARDS HERE, SO RAISE YOUR HAND IF WE DO SUPPORT IT AND WE DON'T FOR AN AMENDMENT.

RIGHT. OKAY.

CAN I SEE YOUR CARDS, PLEASE? OH, NO. WANT TO SUPPORT IT.

OKAY. YOU READY DEPUTY? YOU READY? ARE YOU UP OR DOWN? OKAY. BILLY.

YOU WANT TO. OH, HERE YOU GO.

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IT'S WORKING NOW. I'M SORRY.

COULD YOU RAISE THE CARDS AGAIN? I'M. IF YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY'S AMENDMENT TWO THREE, I COUNT THREE CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR.

THEREFORE THE ITEM THAT THIS FAILS, MR. MAYOR. MOVE ON.

YES. I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS MEMBERS [INAUDIBLE].

WE NEED A MOTION.

DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THE SECOND ONE? DO WE. JUST TOOK THE STRAW VOTE? WE JUST TOOK IT WITH THE CARD.

WITH THE CARD. IT FAILED.

IT FAILED. POINT OF INFORMATION.

DO WE NEED TO TAKE A STRAW VOTE ON THE OVERALL BUDGET OR.

NO, IT WAS JUST AMENDMENTS TODAY.

JUST AMENDMENT TODAY, RIGHT.

OKAY. MADAM SECRETARY.

AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE AMENDMENT FAILED, MR. MAYOR. OKAY.

POINT OF INFORMATION, MR. MAYOR. YES.

SO THIS WAS JUST A STRAW POLL.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT CAN BE.

WHICH MEANS IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY BINDING.

IS THAT IS IT TRUE TO SAY THAT THIS STRAW POLL HAS NO BINDING EFFECT ON THIS BUDGET OF THIS PORTION? SO IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED TO BRING FORWARD ANOTHER AMENDMENT OR THE SAME AMENDMENT ON THE DAY WE'RE VOTING ON THIS, IS THAT POSSIBLE? THAT IS CORRECT. IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION.

AND THAT RECOMMENDATION FAILED AT THE NEXT MEETING, THE MOTION COULD BE RENEWED.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM.

MADAM CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

MAYOR, YOUR NEXT ITEM IS A PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED REPROGRAMMING OF FUNDS FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT.

[C. 24-1380 America Rescue Plan Act (ARPA): Reprogramming]

WE BEGAN THIS DISCUSSION IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, AT WHICH TIME THE CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE SENT BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND BE RETURNED TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL TODAY.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO JANETTE WEEDON, THE DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

THANK YOU, MISS TOLBERT.

AS MENTIONED, MY NAME IS JANETTE WEEDON, DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

JOINING ME FOR THIS BRIEFING, CHAN WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN GRANTS, ADMINISTRATION AND BUDGET ADMINISTRATION AND BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

SO TODAY WE HAVE A VERY SHORT BRIEFING ON PROPOSED REPROGRAMMING OF AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDING.

WE WILL REVIEW BACKGROUND, DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDATION AND NEXT STEPS.

ON SLIDE THREE YOU SEE BACKGROUND ON OUR ARPA FUNDING.

JUST A REMINDER, WE RECEIVED 355.4 MILLION IN STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT THAT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW IN MARCH OF 2021.

THE SPENDING FRAMEWORK ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021, ASSUMED FUNDING PROJECTS OVER THREE FISCAL YEARS, FISCAL YEAR 22 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 25.

IN MAY OF 2023, AS PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 23 MID-YEAR APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE FIRST REALLOCATION OF ARPA FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF 13.6 MILLION. THE DETAILS OF THAT ALLOCATION ARE INCLUDED IN THE APPENDIX.

CITY COUNCIL ALSO APPROVED AN ADDITIONAL REALLOCATION AND REPROGRAMMING OF ARPA FUNDS IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.

THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION IN FEBRUARY INCLUDED A RECOMMENDATION TO REPROGRAM SIX ITEMS. IT INCLUDED PROJECTS, PROGRAMS, INTEREST, EARNINGS, AND A FEMA REIMBURSEMENT FOR A TOTAL SOURCE OF FUNDS OF 28.1 MILLION.

THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE 28TH OF FEBRUARY IDENTIFIED NINE NEW PROGRAMS PROJECTS FOR FUNDING CONSIDERATION.

HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL ONLY APPROVED FOUR PROJECTS IN THE AMOUNT OF 18.5 MILLION, LEAVING A BALANCE OF 9.6 MILLION FOR CONSIDERATION.

CITY COUNCIL ALSO REQUESTED ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, SO AS REQUESTED, WE BRIEFED THE GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE ON APRIL THE 23RD AND WE ARE HERE, AS REQUESTED, TO DISCUSS THE REMAINING PROJECTS.

SLIDE NUMBER FIVE INCLUDES A SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

THE PROJECTS LISTED HERE ON SLIDE NUMBER FIVE REFLECT THE BALANCE OF FUNDING.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING $5 MILLION FOR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS TO MOVE TO STEMMONS, 2.5 MILLION FOR SUPPORTIVE, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND 1.9 FOR COMPLIANCE OF PROJECTS THAT REMAIN IN ARPA.

ON SLIDE NUMBER SIX, YOU SEE A RECAP OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS REPROGRAMMING OF THE REMAINING BALANCE OF 9.6 MILLION.

CITY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ON MAY 8TH.

THE APPENDIX INCLUDES SUMMARIES OF PREVIOUS REALLOCATIONS AND REPROGRAMMING.

THIS CONCLUDES OUR PREPARED REMARKS.

WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

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CHAIRMAN WEST.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM C. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THAT WAS THAT ENDED QUICKLY.

GOOD JOB ON THAT.

IF YOU COULD JUST BRING UP SLIDE FIVE FOR A SECOND, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE COUNCIL A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE DISCUSSION HAS ALREADY HAPPENED BECAUSE WE'VE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE FEBRUARY 28TH.

OKAY. AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO READ, BUT THE SO THE USE OF FUNDS, WHICH IS IN THE SECOND HALF WE HAD THE FULL BUDGET OF 28 MILLION, WHICH IS ADDED UP THERE AT THE BOTTOM FOR THE USE OF FUNDS.

BUT ON THE 28TH, JACK WAS REMINDING ME OF THIS BECAUSE I COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW THIS HAPPENED.

WE AS A COUNCIL DID HAVE A PRETTY LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON FEBRUARY 28TH ABOUT THE 18 MILLION SORT OF IN THAT MIDDLE SECTION, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY HALL GENERATORS, THE GRANT MATCH AND RESILIENCE AT MLK, FIRE STATION ALERTING SYSTEM AND DEMOLITION.

AND SO THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IN LENGTH.

NOT SAYING WE CAN'T DO IT AGAIN, OF COURSE, BUT IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LOT.

THE LOWER PORTION, YOU GUYS KICKED BACK THE COUNCIL.

WE KICKED BACK TO GPFM TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.

GPFM, WE WERE RUNNING SHORT ON IT WAS A LONG MEETING AND WE WERE RUNNING SHORT ON QUORUM.

SO WE ENDED UP HAVING A 2 TO 1 VOTE TO PUSH FORWARD.

THE 9 MILLION IN THESE CATEGORIES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

SO THAT'S THE RECAP.

AND JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM C. THANK YOU MAYOR.

SO JANETTE, WHAT ARE THE LINE ITEMS FOR COMPLIANCE MONITORING, CONTRACT SERVICES AND COMPLIANCE AND MONITORING.

SO WE ARE PROCURING CONSULTANT SERVICES FOR FINANCIAL COMPLIANCE.

SO WE RELEASED A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL AND THE AMOUNT THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE BRIEFING THE 1.7 BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES THAT REFLECTS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE WILL PRESENT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS TO REALLOCATE ARPA FUNDING, BUT WE STILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY 200 MILLION IN VARIOUS PROJECTS.

AND SO THE REGULATIONS REGARDING ARPA FUNDING CONTINUES TO BE RELEASED.

MOST RECENTLY, WE HAD A CALL ON APRIL THE 22ND WITH US TREASURY TALKING ABOUT UPDATES TO THE GUIDANCE.

AND SO COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH 2027.

SO WHEN YOU SAY FINANCIAL COMPLIANCE MONITORING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY STAFF GOING OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL TO HIRE A WATCHDOG TO TELL CITY STAFF IF THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THE ARPA REQUIREMENTS, WHY CAN'T CITY STAFF JUST DO THAT? WE'RE HIRING AN EXPERT TO DO THAT.

AND SO WHILE WE HAVE CITY STAFF THAT CAN DO COMPLIANCE MONITORING, WE'RE HIRING SOMEONE WHO IS WELL VERSED IN THE REGULATIONS.

THEY WILL ASSIST US WITH COMPLIANCE TESTING, PULLING EXPENDITURES.

SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE AT CITY HALL.

IT'S PREPARING US FOR AN AUDIT.

IF YOU RECALL, WE WENT THROUGH A VERY LENGTHY DESK AUDIT WITH US TREASURY FOR CORONAVIRUS FUNDS.

AND THE REPORTS OR THE RESULTS OF THAT DESK AUDIT ARE AVAILABLE.

THEY'RE POSTED ON US TREASURY.

WE DID HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT SAME EXPERIENCE.

AND WHAT IS THE $100,000 FOR COMPLIANCE AND MONITORING.

HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT.

SO THAT'S SPECIFIC FOR A PROGRAM THAT THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER IS PROVIDING REGARDING WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT.

SO IF YOU RECALL, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER RECEIVES $1 MILLION IN DIRECT FUNDING FOR ARPA.

THE MAYOR RECEIVED 2 MILLION.

AND SO EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER CAN ALLOCATE AND DESIGNATE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

AND SO THAT FUNDING IS USED TO ASSIST THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER WITH FACILITATING ANY PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH WORKFORCE MANAGEMENT.

OH, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF A COUNCIL MEMBER ALLOCATES A PORTION OF THEIR ARPA DISCRETIONARY FUNDS TO WORKFORCE.

YES. THAT YOU'RE GIVING $100,000 TO THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER TO.

FACILITATE THOSE PROGRAMS. FACILITATE THAT.

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THEY CAN'T JUST SPEND THE MONEY THAT'S ALLOCATED TO THEM.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FUND TO FACILITATE THEIR OWN OPERATIONS.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE PROJECTS HAVE TO BE SO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER HAS THE DISCRETION TO DESIGN.

I MEAN, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE OR CREATING NEW PROGRAMS. AND SO IF A NEW PROGRAM IS DESIRED, WE DO NEED ASSISTANCE IN CREATING THOSE PROGRAMS. WELL, WHY CAN'T THE ARPA MONEY BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE? THIS IS ARPA MONEY.

NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DISCRETIONARY MONEY THAT'S INTENDED TO CREATE THAT NEW PROGRAM.

DOESN'T THAT PAY FOR THE START UP COSTS? YES, IT COULD, BUT I THINK THERE'S MORE THAN ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTING TO FACILITATE THAT TYPE OF PROGRAM, SO I.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WHY DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO HAVE $100,000 EXTRA TO FACILITATE THE PLAN IF THEY ALREADY HAVE MONEY TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN? SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION IF IT'S CITY COUNCIL'S WILL TO HAVE WHOEVER IS DESIGNING THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS TO FUND THOSE TYPES OF TO FUND THE CREATION AND THE PROGRAM DESIGN FROM THEIR ALLOCATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS A RECOMMENDATION.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS.

AND THE PREVIOUS ITEM OF 1.7 MILLION BE USED FOR SOMETHING MORE TANGIBLE AND MORE CREDIBLE AND FRANKLY, LESS OVERHEAD THAN THESE APPEAR TO BE.

WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE, IF WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY DOING WORKING ON AUDITS FOR OUR COMPLIANCE MONITORING, THEY CAN READ THE RULES.

WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND $1,000,007 FOR AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO TELL US WHETHER WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES OR NOT.

SO I'M OPPOSED TO THESE TWO EXPENDITURES.

CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM C.

THANK YOU MAYOR, WHEN IT COMES TO THE GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT MOVING TO ESTIMATES, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT THIS WILL COVER? YES.

AND I'LL ASK THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION.

GOOD AFTERNOON, JENNY NEISWENDER, THE DIRECTOR OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

THE $5 MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR ARPA WOULD COVER.

WE HAVE 2.7 MILLION FOR IT INFRASTRUCTURE.

$1 MILLION FOR ELEVATOR MODERNIZATION.

$300,000 FOR SOME FIRE INSPECTION AND ELECTRICAL UPGRADES.

AND THE REMAINDER OF THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE FOR FURNITURES AND FIXTURES.

HOW MUCH WILL REMAIN UNFUNDED OF ANYTHING? I THINK WE'RE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

EXCUSE ME. A LITTLE BIT MORE TOMORROW, BUT WE I THINK WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION TO COMPLETE THE STEMMONS.

THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

QUESTION AGAIN ON THE $5 MILLION FOR THE FUND FOR MOVING ON STEMMONS IS HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND.

SO JUST AS A CLARIFICATION, THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS MOVING TO STEMMONS.

AND SO AT OAKMONT CURRENTLY YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE GENERAL FUND FUNDED DEPARTMENTS, PUBLIC WORKS.

SO THIS IS FOR THEIR PORTION OF THE MOVE.

SO THIS IS SPEND OCCURRED NOT BECAUSE OF THE PERMIT OFF THE MOVE OR BECAUSE OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS MOVING THERE.

AND THIS MONEY IS NOT SPENT ON THE BUILDING PERMIT DEPARTMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. THIS IS NOT FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO THERE IS A DESIRE IF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS MOVING, TO MOVE ALL OPERATIONS TO ONE LOCATION AND TO REPURPOSE OR REDEVELOP THAT PARTICULAR SITE INTO SOMETHING ELSE.

AND SO WE WOULD NEED TO MOVE ALL DEPARTMENTS THAT RESIDE AT OAKMONT INCLUDING GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO NONE OF THIS $5 MILLION IS GOING TO BENEFIT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. BUT THEY'RE IN THE SAME BUILDING, THOUGH.

THEY'RE IN THE SAME BUILDING.

SO IF THE OTHER DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT MOVE THERE, WE WOULD NOT NEED THIS MONEY.

IS THAT CORRECT? IF NO ONE IF WE REMAIN IN OAKMONT.

CORRECT. YOU DO NOT NEED $5 MILLION TO MOVE TO STEMMONS.

OKAY. SO TO ME, I THINK A WASTE OF MONEY.

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IT'S COMPLICATED.

YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED TO GO AND MOVE A BUILDING THERE FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT.

AND ALSO WE ADD ANOTHER $5 MILLION FROM THE ARPA FUNDS.

SO THAT'S, TO ME, DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARPA FUNDS HERE, AND I GUESS THIS MAY BE A QUESTION TO THE CITY MANAGER OR WHATEVER.

WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL THE ARPA FUNDS AS A WHOLE? ARE WE BREAKING THIS IN CRUNCHES OR WHAT? WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO.

I'M GOING TO CAN YOU CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION OR I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

SO WHEN WE PRESENTED THE AGENDA ITEM ON THE 28TH, WE REALLOCATED FUNDING FROM ARPA TO THE GENERAL FUND.

AND WE CREATED A MULTI YEAR FUND.

SO THAT MOVE WAS A TOTAL OF 159.3 MILLION.

PART OF THAT 159 INCLUDED A REALLOCATION AND SO ON SLIDE FIVE REPROGRAMMING I'M SORRY.

SO ON SLIDES FIVE WE'RE SHOWING THE REPROGRAMING PIECE.

OKAY. SO WHAT WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ARPA FUND WE HAD WHEN YOU SUBTRACT THE 159 THAT I THINK WERE GOING THROUGH FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE OKAY. SO IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE FOUR OF THE APPENDIX, OUR INITIAL ALLOCATION.

CAN YOU PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN.

SURE. I DON'T HAVE IT.

SO IT'S THE APPENDIX ATTACHMENT ON PAGE FOUR.

THANK YOU. IT'S THE SECOND ATTACHMENT TO TODAY'S ACTION.

AND SO WHILE WE'RE WAITING, I'LL TALK.

I'LL SPEAK TO IT.

THE INITIAL ALLOCATION FROM ARPA WAS THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE MILLION FOUR TWENTY SIX EIGHT NINETY ONE.

WE REALIZE INTEREST EARNINGS OF SEVEN MILLION NINETY FIVE THOUSAND ZERO FIVE TWO.

WE RECEIVED A FEMA REIMBURSEMENT OF $520,826.

THAT BROUGHT THE TOTAL TO THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE MILLION FORTY TWO THOUSAND SEVEN SIXTY NINE.

SO THE REALLOCATION THAT WAS RECOMMENDED ON FEBRUARY 28TH REALLOCATED 159.3 MILLION. THE ACTION TODAY IS JUST THE REPROGRAMMING PIECE.

BECAUSE OF THE 159.3 MILLION, WE IDENTIFIED 28.1 MILLION TO BE REPROGRAMMED TO NEW PROJECTS.

PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY THE 21ST, WE TALKED ABOUT PROGRAMS THAT WERE DELAYED DUE TO VARIOUS REASONS, NO LONGER NEEDED.

PART OF THE FUNDING THAT WE REALLOCATED INCLUDED TESTING AND VACCINATION.

SO WE'RE NO LONGER CONTINUING THOSE PROGRAMS. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS JUST THE BALANCE OF THE 28.1 MILLION.

AND SO WHAT WOULD BE THE BALANCE IN THE ARPA FUND NOW THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOCATED? SO ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE REMAINING BALANCE IN ARPA? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ABOUT 120 MILLION, BUT THAT INCLUDES THE I GUESS I NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURRENT ARPA BALANCE INCLUDES A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.

SO OF THAT IT'S 126 MILLION.

SO THAT INCLUDES THE UNSERVED AREA PROJECTS.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST BALANCE.

THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING RELATED TO HOUSING THERE'S THE CITY COUNCIL DISCRETIONARY FUNDING.

THERE'S THE TRANSPORTATION SIGNALS PROJECTS.

THERE'S SOME SECURITY UPGRADES RELATED TO PARK AND RECREATION.

THERE'S THE FUNDING THAT YOU REALLOCATED MAY OF LAST YEAR FOR HOUSING OR HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.

SO THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS REFLECTS THE WORK THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY STRESSED WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM OR TO

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YOU ALL. SO SO RIGHT NOW.

THE 28 MILLION TODAY IS THAT 28 MILLION TODAY, PLUS A 126 MILLION THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED, BUT WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON IT THAT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED FOR. IS THAT CORRECT? NO.

THE BALANCE THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON TODAY IS THE 9.6.

9.6. AND SO HAVE WE VOTED ON 9.6 WE WANT TO ALLOCATE THE TWO.

SO IT WOULD BE THE REMAINING.

I'M SORRY. WHAT WOULD BE THE REMAINDER OF THE ARPA FUND MONEY? I KNOW IT'S BEEN ALLOCATED, BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE BALANCE? FOR THE ARPA FUND MONEY.

OF WHAT YOU REALLOCATED? I'M SORRY. OKAY, WELL, WE HAVE DONE SO FAR.

WE HAVE ALLOCATED MONEY.

WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THE ALLOCATION YET.

WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON IT. RIGHT.

WE HAVE PUT IN A PLACEHOLDER SO IT SITS IN A PLACEHOLDER.

HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE IN A PLACE HOLDER SO WHICH WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON THE 9.6 IF I COULD JUMP.

MAYOR PRO TEM DO YOU MIND IF INTERIM CITY MANAGER JUMPS IN? I'M SORRY? YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

THANK. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, MAYOR.

AND THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF ACTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN.

JANETTE TALKED ABOUT THE 159 MILLION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE.

THEN WE HAD DECISIONS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE 18,497.

SO TODAY, THE AMOUNT THAT IS CURRENTLY REMAINING THAT WE WANT THE COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON FROM A REPROGRAMMING IS THE 9.6.

SO THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW THAT. IS THAT WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION? NO, MY QUESTION WAS, NUMBER ONE OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ARPA MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED, HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT? WE'RE NOT ALLOCATING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS REMAINING THAT WE STILL GOT TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO REALLOCATE IT TO GET VOTED ON.

WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THE ALLOCATION.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT. YES, YOU HAVE.

NOT ALL OF THE MONEY.

WE HAVE NOT. SO IF I MAY HELP ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IF THAT'S OKAY.

I'M JACK IRELAND, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.

THE $355 MILLION DOLLARS HAS ALL BEEN ALLOCATED.

THE CITY COUNCIL WENT THROUGH A PROCESS AND APPROVED A BUDGET FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE $355 MILLION.

THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN UNDERWAY.

AS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THOSE PROJECTS, WE IDENTIFIED $28 MILLION OF PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT GOING TO NEED TO BE FINISHED FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

AS MISS WEEDON MENTIONED, WE NO LONGER NEEDED TO CONTINUE VACCINATION EFFORTS OR OUR PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.

WE HAD SPENT WHAT WE NEEDED TO ON THAT.

SO WE WENT THROUGH AND SCRUBBED THE $355 MILLION, FOUND $28 MILLION TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AND PROPOSE NEW USES FOR TO TAKE FROM WHAT COUNCIL HAD ORIGINALLY APPROPRIATED TO RECOMMEND $28 MILLION OF NEW PROJECTS.

ON FEBRUARY THE 28TH, YOU ALL APPROVED PART OF THAT, BUT YOU DEFERRED $9 MILLION OF THAT.

THAT IS THE $9 MILLION THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY.

WE WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS AS WE WORK THROUGH ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS, BECAUSE I'M SURE OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF WE WILL FIND OTHER SAVINGS.

AND WHEN THAT COMES UP, IF A PROJECT FINISHES UNDER BUDGET, I WILL NEED TO BRING THAT BACK BEFORE THIS BODY WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR ANOTHER REPROGRAMMING.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE 1.7 THAT TODAY WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR FINANCIAL COMPLIANCE.

IF WE DON'T NEED THAT FULL AMOUNT, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU, BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WE USE THOSE FUNDS IN THE BEST WAY.

BUT ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS OF TODAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS THE $9 MILLION.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO SCRUB.

AND AS WE HAVE OTHER MONEY AVAILABLE, WE WILL BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE BODY.

I HOPE THAT HELPS CLARIFY SOME.

THAT DO THEY DO CLARIFY MY QUESTION TO YOU BUT LOOKING AT IT IN THE LONG RUN DOWN THE ROAD, YOU ARE GOING TO COME BACK TO US MANY A TIME AND WE GOT A POCKET OF MONEY.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.

WE DO GOT A POCKET OF MONEY, BUT UNTIL WE GET TO THAT DATE.

SO OUR NEXT TIME TO DO THAT IS ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE PULLED TOGETHER FOR OUR END OF YEAR BUDGET ORDINANCE.

WE DO AS YOU KNOW, WE DO AN END OF YEAR ORDINANCE AND WE DO A MID-YEAR ORDINANCE.

AND SO ANY TIME WE HAVE THOSE, WE ARE BRINGING THOSE BACK TO YOU.

SO I WOULD EXPECT IN THE AUGUST TIME FRAME WE WILL HAVE GONE BACK THROUGH AGAIN.

WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? WHAT CAN WE BRING BEFORE THE BODY TO REPROGRAM? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS TODAY, BUT I COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN BEFORE AUGUST.

SO HOW DO YOU DO YOUR FORECAST? DO YOU FORECAST THAT 90 DAYS IN ADVANCE, OR IS THIS EVERY 30 DAYS, OR HOW DO YOU FORECAST THAT?

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BECAUSE YOU GOT TO BRING IT BACK TO US.

HOW DO YOU FORECAST YOUR FORECAST IN A YEAR OR WHAT? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU FORECAST THAT? GO AHEAD. SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO PREPARE QUARTERLY REPORTS AND PRESENT THEM TO TREASURY.

SO AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS IN PREPARING THE QUARTERLY REPORTS, WE KNOW WHAT PROJECTS ARE DELAYED OR NO LONGER VIABLE.

AND SO AS WE REVIEW THAT INFORMATION FOR TREASURY, WE CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU AS WE BRING FORTH OUR END OF YEAR BUDGET RECOMMENDATION.

AND WHEN YOU SAID THAT, SO DO YOU PROBABLY HAVE AT LEAST 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS BEFORE YOU 90 DAYS, 90 DAYS? I JUST SAID THAT EVERY 90 DAYS YOU SHOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BUDGET.

AND I GOT A PENSION AND SOME OF THIS MONEY WE COULD USE FOR THE PENSION.

YOU KNOW, TO PAY DOWN ON IT.

AND I THINK WE'RE NOT USING THE YOU KNOW, EVERY NICKEL WE GOT, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

I KNOW WE FUNDED THE $159 MILLION DOLLARS AND THE $159 MILLION DOLLARS COULD HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY FOR THE PENSION.

SO I'M TRYING TO SCRUB EVERY DOLLAR WE CAN GET.

BUT IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MONEY IS IN THE BANK OR POTENTIAL MONEY, THEN WE CAN MAKE BUDGET THAT WE CAN CHANGE.

BUT THIS MONEY RIGHT HERE IN THE ARPA MONEY IS IN SUPPORT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE ARPA FUNDING.

IT DEPENDS ON WHICH.

WELL, WE REALLOCATED 159.3 MILLION TO A MULTI-YEAR FUND.

SO THAT IS CONSIDERED FUNDING THAT YOU COULD USE TO FOR GENERAL GENERAL GOVERNMENT PURPOSES.

THE ARPA FUNDING, THE 355.4 MILLION, THAT IS, THE REGULATIONS DO NOT ALLOW US TO USE THAT FOR PENSION.

IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THAT IS NOT AN ALLOWABLE USE.

I KNOW IT'S NOT ALLOWABLE USE.

BUT WHAT WE DID, WE MOVED IT OVER THERE BECAUSE WE COULD SPEND THAT MONEY SOONER THAN LATER.

THAT'S HOW WE MOVED THE $159 MILLION DOLLARS.

BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE ARPA MONEY CAN MOVE TO THE GENERAL FUND, AND THE GENERAL FUND ALLOCATION FOR OTHER PROJECTS COULD BE MOVED DOWN THE ROAD IF WE CAN FINISH IN THE TIME.

THAT IS CORRECT. BUT WE HAVE UNTIL SO OUR COMMITMENT IS TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BODY WITH AN END OF YEAR BUDGET APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENT THAT WILL LOOK AT REMAINING PROJECTS WITHIN ARPA THAT ARE STALLED OR DELAYED, AND TO REALLOCATE THAT FUNDING TO A MULTI YEAR FUND.

JUST A REMINDER, WE ARE REQUIRED TO SPEND THE FUNDS WITH US TREASURY BY SEPTEMBER 30TH AND INCUMBENT 2024 AND ENCUMBER BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2026. SO IT WAS ALWAYS OUR INTENTION TO COME BACK AT END OF YEAR, AS WE MENTIONED IN FEBRUARY, TO PRESENT TO YOU ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN STALLED.

RIGHT. OKAY.

I GUESS, MISS CITY MANAGER, THAT I'LL REQUEST THAT AT LEAST EVERY 90 DAYS WE SHOULD GET AN UPDATE ON THESE ARPA FUNDS BECAUSE WE NEED MONEY AND I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THIS CAN BE USED FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

AND SINCE THE GENERAL FUND WE CAN USE GENERAL FUND MONEY TO REDUCE THE PENSION.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.

THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

THANK YOU. JUST VERY QUICKLY.

FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN IT'S CHALLENGING AND IT'S HARD.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU THAT WE'RE DOWN TO THE 9.6.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

MY QUESTION IN GENERAL IS SINCE SOME OF THESE ITEMS FOR THE 9.6 ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO SPEND IT.

SO THEY WILL GO INTO YOUR THAT POT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'RE CONSTANTLY REEVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED IT.

SO ARE YOU.

SO ESSENTIALLY THESE ARE ANY OF THEM NOT SORT OF PLACEHOLDERS? ARE ANY OF THEM FOR SURE THINGS? THE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO GO OUT THE DOOR NO MATTER WHAT.

SO OF THE FUNDS, THE $9 MILLION, NONE OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY PLACEHOLDERS.

THEY'RE ALL FOR SPECIFIC USES.

I DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY.

YES, SIR. YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THE MOST PLAY IN WHAT WE ACTUALLY END UP SPENDING IS THE 1.7.

OKAY. THE OTHERS ARE PRETTY FIRM NUMBERS.

AND WE'VE EVEN GONE OUT FOR PROPOSALS I BELIEVE, ON THE FINANCIAL MONITORING.

AND I KNOW THAT'S A BIG NUMBER.

AND WHY DOESN'T STAFF JUST DO THAT OURSELVES? WE GOT ALMOST $300 MILLION OF CORONAVIRUS RELIEF FUNDS.

WE GOT $355 MILLION OF ARPA FUNDS.

AND THERE WERE NOT REGULATIONS AT THE TIME.

AND WE WERE ASKED TO PUSH THAT MONEY THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND GET IT SPENT AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD WHILE THE US TREASURY WAS STILL MAKING UP THE RULES.

AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF GO BACK AND REWORK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR IT CORRECTLY.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO HAVE TO PAY OUT OF LOCAL TAX DOLLARS BACK TO US TREASURY, BECAUSE I SPENT THE FEDERAL MONEY WRONG.

SO I JUST FEEL THAT I NEED SOME ASSISTANCE IN MAKING SURE I'M DOING THAT CORRECTLY TO PROTECT THE CITY.

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WELL, I THINK IT'S A WISE MOVE.

AND IF I DID MY MATH RIGHT, WHICH YOU KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW, YOU OUGHT TO DOUBLE AND TRIPLE CHECK, I THINK IT'S LESS THAN IT'S CERTAINLY LESS THAN TEN.

IT'S LIKE FIVE, 3.5%, SOMETHING LIKE SOME TINY PERCENT OF THE AMOUNT FOR OUR OWN COMPLIANCE, WHICH TO ME IS A VERY REASONABLE AMOUNT TO BE SPENT ON COMPLIANCE. SO I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSED REPROGRAMMING.

AND I GUESS WE'RE JUST HOLDING UP OUR CARDS AGAIN.

IS THAT CORRECT? MR..

TODAY IS JUST A BRIEFING ON THIS.

SO THERE IS NOT EVEN A STRAW POLL. THERE'S AN ITEM FOR VOTING NEXT WEEK ON THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE, I'M GOING TO GO TO CHAIRMAN RIDLEY FOR THREE MINUTES.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, ON THAT 1.7 MILLION, IS THAT BASED UPON ACTUAL PROPOSALS FOR A DEFINED SCOPE OF WORK FROM OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS, OR IS THAT JUST WHAT'S LEFT OVER AFTER YOU'VE ALLOCATED THE REST OF THE MONEY? IT IS PROPOSALS BASED ON THE SCOPE OF WORK.

SO FOR THAT MONEY YOU COULD HIRE AT AN ANNUAL SALARY, 15 OR 20 NEW STAFF MEMBERS TO WORK ON THIS.

IS IT GOING TO TAKE THAT LEVEL OF MANPOWER TO DO THIS COMPLIANCE MONITORING? WELL, MR. RIDLEY, I WILL SHARE THAT THE 1.7 GOES OVER FOR THREE YEARS TO ASSIST US AND TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THAT AUDIT AND ONGOING COMPLIANCE. SO IT'S OVER THREE YEARS.

IT'S NOT A ONE YEAR CONTRACT.

WHAT'S OVER THREE YEARS? THE ONE POINT, THE TERM OF THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE PUT OUT FOR BIDS AND THAT WAS RESPONDED TO IT WAS FOR OVER SUPPORT FOR OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD.

SO YOU'VE ALREADY PUT THIS OUT FOR BIDS? CORRECT. YES.

OKAY. NOW I THOUGHT WE HAD TO SPEND THIS MONEY BY 2025.

SO HOW COULD THIS BE OVER A THREE YEAR CONTRACT.

SO THE RULES ALLOW US TO ENCUMBER FUNDS BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2024 AND THEN SPENT BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2026. AND THEN THERE'S A YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW THAT'S NOT THREE YEARS.

JUST BECAUSE ALL THE FUNDS HAVE TO BE EXPENDED BY A CERTAIN DATE.

THEN THERE'S REPORTS THAT ARE DUE TO US TREASURY, THERE'S PREPARING FOR THE AUDITS BASED ON THE US TREASURY.

SO THERE'S EVEN PERIOD BEYOND THE DESIGNATED EXPENDITURE DEADLINE.

THEN HOW CAN WE USE ARPA FUNDS PAST A YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW FOR A COMPLIANCE REPORTING, IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY SPENT THAT MONEY? SO BY THE DEADLINE, WE REPROGRAMED THE ARPA FUNDS.

SO THE ACTION ON FEBRUARY 28TH INCLUDED 159.3 MILLION OF REPROGRAMMING.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU IS NO LONGER ARPA FUNDS.

IT'S THE FUNDING HAS BEEN MOVED TO A MULTI YEAR FUND.

SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN? IT'S NO LONGER ARPA FUNDS? IT IS NO LONGER ARPA FUNDS.

THE ACTION ON FEBRUARY THE 28TH REALLOCATED ARPA FUNDING BETWEEN THE GENERAL FUND.

IT TOOK. OH THIS IS THE MONEY WE PUT INTO THE DFR PAYROLL.

CORRECT. OKAY, SO WE DON'T WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THOSE DEADLINES DON'T APPLY ANYMORE TO THE SPENDING OF THIS MONEY.

SO THE DEADLINES STILL APPLY.

SO THERE'S TWO POTS OF MONEY NOW.

THERE'S THE ARPA FUNDING WHERE WE'RE STILL CONSTRAINED BY THE SPENDING DEADLINE.

SO ALL ARPA PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL IN ARPA BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE 300 PLUS MILLION IN ARPA, THEY HAVE TO BE ENCUMBERED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2024, SPENT BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2026.

WE ARE HIRING A CONSULTANT TO ASSIST US WITH THE REGULATIONS BECAUSE THE REGULATIONS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH 2027.

SO EVEN THOUGH THE SPENDING AND ENCUMBRANCE DEADLINE HAS PASSED, WE ARE STILL SUBJECT TO OVERSIGHT BY US TREASURY.

CORRECT? BUT NOT FOR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.

CORRECT. BUT FOR WE'RE HIRING A CONSULTANT TO ASSIST US WITH THE ARPA FUNDING.

SO WE STILL HAVE PROJECTS IN ARPA.

OKAY. $200 MILLION.

SO THIS MONEY ISN'T ARPA ANYMORE? ARPA FUNDING ANYMORE? CORRECT.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE USED TO AUDIT THE USE OF ARPA FUNDS.

CORRECT. FOR OTHER PURPOSES, LIKE DFR SALARIES.

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SO. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS WITHIN ARPA DFR SALARIES IS ONE OF THEM.

BUT WE STILL HAVE A $200 MILLION IN PROJECTS STILL IN ARPA IN ADDITION TO DFR SALARIES.

AND THOSE FUNDS ARE ALREADY COMMITTED, JUST NOT EXPENDED.

THEY ARE UNDERWAY.

SO THEY'RE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF COMPLETION.

SO OTHER WELL, SO HAVE WE NOW COMMITTED ALL OF THE 355 MILLION IN ARPA FUNDS.

SO WE'LL MEET THIS YEAR'S DEADLINE.

THAT IS THE GOAL.

SO AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF COMPLETION.

WE HAVE AN AVAILABLE BALANCE OF ABOUT 126.9 MILLION.

AS MR. IRELAND MENTIONED, WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK THROUGH THIS LIST.

ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ENCUMBERED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH, IF WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ENCUMBERED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH, WE WILL COME BACK BEFORE THIS BODY WITH AN END OF YEAR APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE TO MOVE THAT FUNDING OUT OF ARPA.

SO HOW MUCH IS CURRENTLY UNENCUMBERED? UNENCUMBERED. ALL OF IT'S ENCUMBERED.

IT'S JUST NOT ALL SPENT.

OH, OKAY, SO WE'VE ALREADY MET THE SEPTEMBER 2024 DEADLINE OF ENCUMBERING ALL OF THE 355 MILLION.

WELL. TO GIVE YOU AN EXACT RECONCILIATION, I WOULD HAVE TO SEND YOU A FRIDAY MEMO, BECAUSE AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, THE MAJORITY, ALMOST ALL OF THESE FUNDS ARE ENCUMBERED.

BUT TO GO UNIT BY UNIT.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT UNIT BY UNIT.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT RAW DOLLARS.

HAVE WE COMMITTED ALL OF THE 355 MILLION.

BUDGETED.

YEAH. CAN WE FOLLOW UP WITH A WRITTEN RESPONSE? SURE. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ON THIS ITEM? SEE, I DON'T SEE ANYONE.

MS. INTERIM CITY MANAGER, I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ITEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR. AND THIS IS YOUR LAST BRIEFING FOR TODAY.

[D. 24-1382 Interactive Digital Kiosks Update - Community Outreach]

WE WILL NOW HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK REGARDING THE DIGITAL KIOSK.

ALI HATEFI, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND HIS TEAM WILL BE PROVIDING YOU WITH AN UPDATE ON THE DIGITAL KIOSK PROGRAM, WHICH WILL ALSO INCLUDE THE MOST RECENT PUBLIC INPUT THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED THROUGH THEIR OUTREACH EFFORTS.

WITHIN THIS BRIEFING, STAFF WILL ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE BENEFITS OF INTERACTIVE DIGITAL KIOSK AND TALK ABOUT AND SHARE EXAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES. AND WE WILL THEN OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE BODY TODAY.

THIS IS NOT A ACTION ITEM OR A DECISION, IT'S TO PROVIDE THAT INPUT AND SHARE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE WE ARE.

AT THIS TIME, ALI, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM.

ALI HATEFI, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

TODAY WE'RE GOING TO COVER THE PRESENTATION AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE DIGITAL KIOSK.

THIS IS THE PRESENTATION OVERVIEW.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE BACKGROUND A LITTLE BIT.

THE BENEFIT OF THIS KIOSK, THE SAMPLES, SOME SAMPLES OF THEM AND WHAT WE RECEIVE FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND ALSO THE STAKEHOLDERS.

AND ALSO THE NEXT STEP.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

ON MAY 15TH, 2023, OUR DEPARTMENT BRIEF TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE OF THE PLAN TO ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL OR RFP FOR VENDORS TO INSTALL, OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE INTERACTIVE DIGITAL KIOSK. AN RFP WAS ADVERTISED AND TWO PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED.

WHILE THE RFP WAS ACTUALLY OPEN.

WE HEARD SOME CONCERNS FROM SOME STAKEHOLDERS.

AS THE RFP WAS OPEN AND ACTIVE, WE COULD NOT ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND AS A RESULT, WE DECIDED TO CANCEL IT.

AND BACK IN FEBRUARY THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE REJECTION OF THE PROPOSAL.

BENEFITS OF INTERACTIVE DIGITAL KIOSK.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER ALL THESE, BUT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE ITEMS HERE.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, FROM ACCESS TO ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE UNDERSERVED AREAS, THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW ALL THE NEWS FROM TO PUBLIC SAFETY WITH HAVING CAMERAS FOR ADDITIONAL SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY.

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FREE WIFI, AIR QUALITY MONITORING, EV CHARGING STATION THAT COULD BE PART OF THIS INSTALLATION AND ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE.

THESE ARE SOME SAMPLES THAT WE COLLECTED FROM MANY DIFFERENT CITIES TO GIVE A CONTEXT OF HOW THESE KIOSKS MAY LOOK LIKE, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE VENDOR WE'RE GOING TO CHOOSE, THE, I GUESS THE SHAPE OR THE DIMENSION OF THE KIOSK MAY CHANGE, BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE SAMPLES.

BY THE WAY, JACOB MCCARROLL, OUR PROGRAM MANAGER OF OUR PERFORMANCE AND SMART CITY INITIATIVES WITH ME TODAY, HE CONTACTED 18 CITIES THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE THE DIGITAL KIOSK TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THEM.

AT THE TIME OF THE PRESENTATION, WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM FIVE MUNICIPALITIES, AS HIGHLIGHTED BELOW.

AND THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS INITIATIVE.

HOWEVER, TWO MORE CITIES ALSO RESPONDED SINCE THEN, AND THEY WERE ALSO IN FAVOR.

AND WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING NEGATIVE FROM THESE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES BASICALLY.

AND NEXT SLIDE.

YES. AND ALSO SINCE FEBRUARY 28TH, WHEN THE RFP WAS CANCELED WE HELD OR SEVERAL STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS WERE HELD IN THE CITY.

AND WE HAD FOUR INDIVIDUAL ONE AND ALSO TWO PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL 22ND AND APRIL 29TH, VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON. AND THESE ARE SOME CONCERNS OR IDEAS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS.

IN ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS MEETING THAT WE HAD ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD WERE KIND OF SIMILAR, BUT THESE ARE THE SUM OF ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE RECEIVED THAT THIS DIGITAL KIOSK MAY IMPEDE WALKABILITY AND THEREFORE CONFLICT WITH ADA REQUIREMENT AND DISTRACTION TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC MAINTENANCE WAS ANOTHER ISSUE.

THE ESTHETIC OF THE KIOSK WHETHER IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE HISTORIC AREA OR NOT.

AND ALSO YOU KNOW, THEY MAY REDUCE THE PROPERTY VALUE.

AND ALSO SOME STAKEHOLDERS REQUEST THAT THEY GET THE SHARE OF THE REVENUE THAT THE CITY MAY GENERATE FROM THIS KIOSK.

POSITIVE. THESE ARE THE A COUPLE OF POSITIVE ALSO FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT IT MAY ADD PUBLIC SAFETY BY HAVING EMERGENCY CALL BUTTON AND SECURITY CAMERA, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT, AND ALSO SHOWCASING THE LOCAL BUSINESS, CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO THE DALLAS NIGHTLIFE THROUGH THE ADVERTISEMENT ON THIS DIGITAL KIOSK.

AS FOR NEXT STEP WE ARE PLANNING TO ADVERTISE THIS RFP IN MAY AND EVALUATING THIS AND SELECT THE WINNING PROPOSAL BEGINNING DEVELOPMENT OF A CRITERIA MANUAL THE SAME THAT WE DID WITH THE 5G DESIGN MANUAL BACK IN 2017 OR 18. AND OUR GOAL IS TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION IN JUNE.

HOWEVER, AS PREVIOUS NEGOTIATING CONTRACT NEGOTIATION TOOK A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS TIMELINE MAY NOT BE REALISTIC AND IT MAY GET EXTENDED AS WE DEVELOP THE PLAN.

SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

OH, YOU'RE NOT IN YOUR CHAIR.

OKAY. SORRY, CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

COULD YOU GIVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL OF WHERE THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS ARE PLEASED? THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION.

WE DON'T KNOW YET THE LOCATIONS BECAUSE THE VENDOR THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELECT.

HOWEVER, THE SELECTION OF THE FINAL LOCATION HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY.

AS I MENTIONED ON THIS SLIDE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MANUAL DESIGN TO DICTATE WHAT REQUIREMENTS THEY NEED TO MEET.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IS ANY ORDINANCE THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW THEM TO INSTALL THIS TYPE OF DIGITAL KIOSK IN THE AREA, OR IF THERE ARE ANY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT REQUIRES MORE THAN WHAT THE ADA RECORDS FOR WALKABILITY OR YOU KNOW, REGULATION.

ALL THESE THINGS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IN THAT MANUAL.

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AND ONCE THAT'S FINALIZED, THEN THE LOCATION CAN BE ACTUALLY ACHIEVED.

BUT AT THIS POINT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY PROPOSAL YET, BUT WE DO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 75.

WE HAD THE MINIMUM OF 75 LOCATIONS IN THE FIRST RFP THAT WE HAD.

AND COULD YOU TELL ME WHY YOU HAVE A MINIMUM AS OPPOSED TO JUST TRYING A FEW AND SEEING HOW THEY GO? I BELIEVE THE MINIMUM WAS SELECTED BASED ON BUT FIRST OF ALL, WE SAID THAT EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST MINIMUM TWO DIGITAL KIOSK IN THEIR DISTRICT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ALSO SOME EQUITY PART OF IT THAT WE HAVE SOME KIOSK IN THE UNDERSERVED AREA.

I BELIEVE WE SET A GOAL FOR THAT ALSO IN THE FIRST RFP, BUT THE 75 NUMBER, I THINK IT WAS BASED ON.

JACOB DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS THE BASIS OF THE 75? THE 75 WAS JUST A NUMBER, I GUESS, ARBITRARY NUMBER WE PICKED BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

HOW MANY LANE MILES WE HAD? 75 WAS RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER.

AND SO I GUESS THIS COMES BACK TO ADDING THEM.

AND REMIND ME AGAIN WHEN THE ROUND ONES ARE RECONSIDERED OR WHEN THEIR CONTRACT IS UP AND COULD BE? SURE. I MEAN, THE CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED BACK IN 2006.

HOWEVER, I GUESS AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS COMMENCED, IT WAS 2008.

THE CONTRACT WILL EXPIRE IN 2028, JUNE 30TH.

28 SO.

2028. SO THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT A STREET COULD HAVE THE ROUND ONES AND THESE IF WE DON'T CANCEL THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE STATIC KIOSK. YES, MA'AM.

WELL, AND IT WOULD COST MONEY TO CANCEL THAT CONTRACT.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT DOES.

YES, MA'AM. SO AND THEN IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A DISTRICT TO OPT OUT? WELL, I GUESS.

CHAIR SCHULTZ. ROBERT PEREZ, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED TO THIS POINT, MA'AM, TO OPT OUT.

SO I MEAN, TO ME, THE CHALLENGE WITH THESE IS BECAUSE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO SOMETHING ON SUCH A LARGE CITY SCALE.

IT DOESN'T ADDRESS SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFIC AREAS OR ISSUES AROUND TOWN.

AND SO IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY YES TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A MASSIVE CHANGE WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE ONES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE GREAT.

THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE HERE ON THE TABLE AT ALL.

BUT IT'S ADDING TO ME.

IT'S ADDITIVE. AND IN CERTAIN PLACES IT MAY BE GREAT, IN OTHER PLACES IT MAY BE TERRIBLE.

AND SO IF THERE'S NO CRITERIA RIGHT NOW TO LET THEM IN OR OUT OF A PARTICULAR AREA, IT'S VERY HARD TO SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM.

AND SO I'M LOOKING, I GUESS, FOR A MUCH MORE SPECIFIC PLAN OF HOW IT WOULD ROLL OUT RATHER THAN SORT OF A WRIT LARGE.

I MEAN, THE IDEA IN CONCEPT, OF COURSE, IT'S NOT TERRIBLE.

IT'S ALL OVER THE WORLD AND IT'S BEING USED IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

BUT WHERE AND HOW? THE DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS OF THIS.

AND TO ME, IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE THAT BLANKET STATEMENT WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING A LOT MORE OF HOW THIS WOULD ROLL OUT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO HOW WE CAN BEGIN TO ADDRESS THAT, I'M WILLING TO BE MUCH MORE OPEN TO THE CONCEPT, BUT UNTIL THEN, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET MY ARMS AROUND IT.

I GUESS PART OF THE THE PLACEMENT MANUAL OR DESIGN MANUAL, HOWEVER YOU CALL IT, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CLUTTER THE SIDEWALK OR WALKABILITY.

RIGHT. WHETHER WE HAVE THE STATIC KIOSK OR NOT.

WHEN THEY ARE PLACING ANOTHER DIGITAL KIOSK, THEY CANNOT BE RIGHT NEXT TO IT TO BECAUSE OF THE WALKABILITY ISSUE AGAIN.

AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT.

WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE 5G ROLLOUT THAT WE DID THE DESIGN MANUAL TO MAKE SURE WHERE THEY INSTALL IS APPROPRIATE, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE ACTUALLY PASSED A LAW AT THE TIME THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO INSTALL IT ANYWHERE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT WE STILL WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO WORK WITH THE VENDORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INSTALLING IN PLACES THAT ARE NOT IMPEDING ANY OF CITY LAWS OR REQUIREMENTS.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BREAK ANY LAWS OR REQUIREMENTS, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SIMILAR TO I FORGOT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED THE ROUND ONES.

STATIC KIOSK. STATIC KIOSKS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO CHOSE WHERE THOSE WENT, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF PROBLEMS AROUND TOWN.

AND SO I DON'T WANT THAT SAME THING.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE DECISION WILL BE MADE ABOUT WHERE THEY GO, SO THAT I DON'T SEE THAT AS PART OF ALL OF THIS.

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AND CHAIR SCHULTZ, ONE OF THE THINGS GOING BACK TO THE SLIDE ABOUT DEVELOPING A CRITERIA MANUAL, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE 5G DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL INCLUDED SPACING REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDED BASIC THINGS THAT THAT WE SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF AS AS WE DECIDE WHERE THESE FINAL THE FINAL PLACEMENT OF SOME OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS AT.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU ARE CORRECT THAT WE DO HAVE TO IDENTIFY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO THE TEAM ABOUT IS PUTTING TOGETHER A STAKEHOLDER GROUP VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE MICROMOBILITY THE, THE ELECTRONIC ELECTRIC SCOOTERS. SO THAT WAY WE HAVE THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND AREA STAKEHOLDERS ON THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS, SO THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE VERY, VERY OPEN TO TO MOVING FORWARD WITH.

THAT'S ALL, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

I'M JUST GOING TO PICK UP WHERE WE WERE WITH WHAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.

IT'S THE CLUTTER ON THE SIDEWALKS.

YOU GUYS KNOW THIS.

YOU'VE YOU'VE SPENT TIME, OBVIOUSLY, IN DOWNTOWN AND UPTOWN, AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE YOU'VE GOT THE ONCOR POLES.

WE'VE JUST SPENT A LOT OF TIME FOCUSING ON ONCOR POLES.

AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT MOVING THE ONCOR POLES.

AND WE'RE STARTING TO MAKE SOME AT LEAST HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT.

BUT BEFORE WE EVEN GET THEM MOVED, WE'RE GOING TO ADD IN ANOTHER ITEM.

WE'RE GOING TO ADD SOMETHING ELSE TO THE CLUTTER ON THE SIDEWALKS.

SO I AM SKEPTICAL ABOUT THIS.

I'M VERY SKEPTICAL ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CHOOSE THE LOCATIONS.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU SAID THE 5G VENDOR, I WILL SAY I ACTUALLY HAD AND I'M GOING TO HESITATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I HAD A REALLY GOOD EXPERIENCE THERE.

I WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF UPTOWN DALLAS, INC., AND THEY REACHED OUT AND FOUND ME, AND THEY WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH US ON PLACEMENT. I WAS ABLE TO GET A COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE OUT ON A SIDEWALK DURING COVID, WHICH WAS CRAZY.

AND THEY AND THEY TRULY DID DID LISTEN.

SO IF WE WILL DRILL DOWN TO THAT LEVEL SO THAT YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOUR PID DIRECTORS, YOUR DDI, YOUR UDI, YOUR DEEP ELLUM, YOUR, YOUR RAMSEY MARCH, ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO'VE COME TO YOU AND SAID, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD IDEA, BUT IF YOU STAND ON THE STREET CORNER WITH THEM AND, AND WALK THROUGH THIS AND, AND TRULY PICK THE LOCATIONS THAT THEY CAN LIVE WITH, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT MY FEAR IS IT'LL BE LIKE THE FIRST ROUND OF SCOOTERS, WHICH IS THE VENDORS MAKING ALL THE DECISIONS, RIGHT? THE VENDOR HAS CONTROL AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS HAVING TO RESPOND TO THAT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

UNTIL I THINK, ROBERT, YOU WERE THERE WHEN YOU PUT YOUR HAND IN THE AIR AND SAID, NO MORE.

WE'RE GOING TO STOP.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TASK FORCE.

WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND COME UP WITH A LIST OF HOW MANY SCOOTERS WE CAN HANDLE AT ONE TIME, WHERE THEY WILL BE ALL OF THAT.

SO IT IT REALLY AND TRULY IS THE DETAILS OF THIS, THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS, THE ROLLING UP YOUR SLEEVES AND REALLY AND TRULY ENGAGING INDIVIDUALLY.

EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HERE AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPRESSING A TON OF CONCERN.

SO IF YOU CAN FIND 75 LOCATIONS AFTER WORKING WITH ALL THOSE PEOPLE, MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU.

BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT YOUR WORK CUT OUT FOR YOU, I REALLY DO.

I, I AM VERY SKEPTICAL AT THIS POINT UNTIL YOU SAID 5G AND THEN I WAS LIKE, OKAY, IF THAT TRULY, TRULY HAPPENS THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

IT CAN BE DONE.

WELL BUT I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE SCOOTERS AND, AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THE OPPOSITE OF 5G. AND CHAIR STEWART, TO YOUR POINT, MA'AM AS WE WORKED WITH THE, THE 5G COMPANIES, THE TELECOMS, I MEAN, WE NAVIGATED AND WE TALKED ABOUT CLUTTER, RIGHT? AND THE SIDEWALK. WE NAVIGATED THE BENCHES, WE NAVIGATED THE NEWSPAPER KIOSK.

WE NAVIGATED ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

WE LIKE I SAID, WE IMPLEMENTED SPACING REQUIREMENTS AS TO WHERE THEY COULD BE.

WE GOT REALLY INNOVATIVE AND GOT TO IF YOU CAN'T MEET THE SPACING REQUIREMENT YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE LIGHT POLE WITH AN INTEGRATED 5G POLE. YOU NEED TO, YOU KNOW, LET THEM PICK THE COLORS, LET THEM PICK, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR FOR THE KIOSK.

WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO LET LET FOLKS PICK THE BRANDING.

I MEAN, THOSE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THAT WE WORK THROUGH.

AND I ENVISION THAT THIS PROGRAM BEING VERY, VERY SIMILAR WHAT WHAT WE DO AND I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IF, IF IF YOU KNOW, 1

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OR 2 BLOCKS ARE LOCATED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3 OF THE KIOSKS I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DENSITY OF IT.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF A, IF A LOCATION IS IDENTIFIED TO, YOU KNOW, TO HOST ONE KIOSK, LIKE, WE WANT TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY TO PUT IT IN THE BEST, YOU KNOW, LOCATION POSSIBLE.

UNDERSTANDING. YES.

THERE MAY BE SOME FOLKS WHO DO NOT WANT IT.

I, I'VE EXPLICITLY SHARED THAT WITH THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I GET THAT. BUT IT YOU KNOW, AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, WE WILL WANT TO MAKE THE MOST, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR EVERYBODY.

AND SO THE TEAM AND I ARE VERY OPEN TO THAT DIALOG.

WE'RE VERY OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE FEEDBACK.

WE'RE VERY OPEN TO MAKING IT THE COMMUNITY'S OWN.

AND SO SO YEAH, SO AS WE HAVE SHARED YOU KNOW, A PROCESS VERY SIMILAR.

THE 5G ROLLOUT THAT THAT IS WHAT WE ENVISION.

WELL, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO THAT LADY RIGHT UP THERE, JAMIE JOLLY.

TRULY SHE CAN.

IT'S WORKING WITH SOMEONE LIKE THAT THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SHE KNOWS HER SIDEWALKS, AND SHE WILL KNOW WHERE TO PUT A KIOSK AND WHERE NOT TO PUT A KIOSK, BECAUSE HER STAKEHOLDERS WILL ALL WORK WITH HER ON THAT. BUT I, I THINK I STILL HAVE A QUESTION MARK IN MY HEAD.

I'M NOT SURE HOW I WOULD VOTE ON THAT, BUT BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT WELL.

AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THE QUEUE HAS GOTTEN LONGER AGAIN.

LET ME GO TO CHAIRMAN RIDLEY FOR FIVE MINUTES FIRST.

THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS VENDOR IS ACTUALLY REQUESTED OR THAT THE VENDORS HAVE REQUESTED 150 OF THESE, NOT 75. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR. ON THE RFP THE MINIMUM WAS 75.

WE RECEIVED TWO PROPOSALS ONE WITH 75 AND ONE WITH 150 PROPOSAL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

YES, SIR. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? OH, THERE ARE ALREADY TWO PROPOSALS.

YEAH, WE RECEIVED TWO PROPOSALS AS I INDICATED ON THIS SLIDE.

AND ONE PROPOSAL WAS FOR THE 75.

THE OTHER PROPOSAL WAS FOR 150.

WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE RFP AS WE NEED TO HAVE 150.

SO ONE VENDOR SAYS THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 75.

THE OTHER SAYS THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 150.

I DON'T THINK IF THEY SAID THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 150.

JACOB, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? YEAH. WHAT WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE BEST AND FINAL OFFER WAS 75.

WELL, OKAY, LET'S FACE REALITY HERE.

ECONOMICS. THESE ARE PROFIT GENERATING VENDORS, CORRECT? THEY'RE NOT NONPROFITS.

THEY'RE IN THIS FOR PROFIT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF KIOSKS THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE FOR THEM TO DO THIS.

RIGHT. AND YOU CURRENTLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER THAT WOULD BE, BUT OUR PROPOSED NUMBER WAS 75 MINIMUM.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PROPOSAL WAS, BUT WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD IS HOW MANY THEY HAVE TO PUT IN BEFORE THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THE DEAL.

AND SO MY CONCERN IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A CLAUSE IN THIS CONTRACT THAT THEY WILL SAY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE, THAT IF THEY DON'T GET TO PUT IN A CERTAIN MINIMUM NUMBER, THEN THEY GET TO CALL THE DEAL OFF.

ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT? COUNCILMAN THE PROPOSALS THAT ALI AND JACOB ARE REFERRING TO THERE WAS ONE PROPOSAL WITH A CERTAIN REVENUE PROJECTION BASED UPON 75.

THERE WAS A SECOND REVENUE PROJECTION REVENUE MODEL BASED UPON 150.

SO AS THE NUMBER WENT UP, THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS WENT UP.

SO THERE'S TWO SCENARIOS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PROPOSALS TO LAST YEAR'S RFP.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.

IF WE HAVE THIS MANUAL ABOUT WHERE THEY CAN BE LOCATED, AND IT'S STRICT ENOUGH TO AVOID COMPLAINTS FROM ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL, THEN I SUSPECT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MEET THEIR MINIMUM.

AND IF THEY HAVE ANY SENSITIVITY TO THIS ISSUE, THEY WILL PROTECT THEMSELVES.

POINT OF ORDER. WILL THEY NOT? GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER? I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GERMANE TO THE WAY THAT THIS AGENDA ITEM IS WRITTEN TO DISCUSS SPECIFICATIONS OF AN RFP PROCESS.

I'LL LET THE PARLIAMENTARIAN RULE ON THE GERMANENESS OF THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING.

I WOULD SAY THAT'S GOING A LITTLE FAR INTO THE ITEM.

I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST AN UPDATE AND THAT THAT WE'RE GOING OUT FOR AN RFP.

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WE'VE ALREADY REJECTED THE TWO BIDS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND SO I THINK IT'S A GO FORWARD KIND OF CONVERSATION.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, IS THE TERMS FOR THIS.

THE POINT OF ORDER IS RESPECTFULLY SUSTAINED.

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE HEARD FROM NUMEROUS ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THIS.

I HAVE A LIST OF 13, INCLUDING DOWNTOWN DALLAS PARKS CONSERVANCY, THE REAL ESTATE COUNCIL, GRANITE PROPERTIES, UPTOWN DALLAS, DOWNTOWN DALLAS, DALLAS ARTS DISTRICT, MCKINNEY AVENUE TROLLEY ASSOCIATION, HINES, MADISON PARTNERS, LOWER GREENVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE, AND CRESCENT REAL ESTATE, ALL OF WHOM ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, AND THEY HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT ALL THE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED IN YOUR BRIEFING, PRINCIPALLY, ADDITIONAL CLUTTER ON OUR SIDEWALKS.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SATISFY THEIR OBJECTIONS? AGAIN, AS DR.

PEREZ MENTIONED, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY IN THE PART OF THE DESIGN MANUAL OR THE INSTALLATION MANUAL PREPARATION, THAT COULD BE ONE PART THAT WE UNDERSTAND AS COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART MENTIONED.

WE CAN WORK WITH THEM TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE NOT THE BEST BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, I GUESS.

AND ALSO ANOTHER THING IS THAT ONCE WE HAVE THE DESIGN MANUAL, THERE IS A MINIMUM THERE THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON PLACING DIGITAL KIOSK EVERYWHERE, SAME AS A 5G ROLLOUT.

YOU KNOW, THEY AT THE INITIAL PHASE, THEY SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL MANY 5G NETWORKS.

BUT SINCE WE HAD THE DESIGN MANUAL THERE WERE RESTRICTED TO CERTAIN CRITERIA AND THEREFORE THEY COULDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TWO LIGHT TWO DIGITAL 5G, SMALL POLE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

SO THEY HAD TO MEET THE CERTAIN DISTANCE, CERTAIN REQUIREMENT.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WILL BE THE SAME THING.

AND AGAIN, ONCE WE ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THE PREPARATION OF THE DESIGN MANUAL IS BASED ON THE MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT SHOULD SATISFY THE NEED.

WE WORK WITH COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART WHEN SHE WAS THE HEAD OF THE UDI IN 5G, AS SHE MENTIONED.

SO I'M ASSUMING WE CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO YOU'RE ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO JUST TRUST YOU IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING THIS MANUAL IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE VENDOR, WITH THE VENDOR'S APPROVAL THAT YOU WILL SATISFY ALL OF THEIR OBJECTIONS, WHICH IS BASICALLY I THINK, BUYING A PIG IN A POKE.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET.

SO WHY SHOULD THEY SUPPORT THIS PROCESS IF THEY CAN'T SEE THE MANUAL IN ADVANCE? AND COUNCILMAN GOING BACK TO MY COMMENT, SIR, THE TEAM AND I ARE VERY MUCH OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THIS MANUAL, VERY SIMILAR TO A GUIDELINES FOR OUR MICROMOBILITY PROGRAM.

SO IT CAN BE DONE BEFORE THE RFP.

WE CAN DO IT. I MEAN, WE CAN DO IT DURING AS WE'RE CRAFTING THE RFP.

I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE WE HAVE SOME TIME.

AND ALI IN THE PRESENTATION STATED THAT WE DO HAVE A GOAL COMING BACK TO COUNCIL BY THE END OF, OF JUNE, IF WE HAVE TO GO BEYOND THAT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO SPEND ADDITIONAL TIME DEVELOPING THAT, THAT GUIDELINE OR THAT MANUAL, I MEAN, WE CAN DO THAT IF THAT IF THAT IS WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL ROLLOUT.

I MEAN, WE CAN DO THAT.

PLUS, THERE'S I MEAN, FOR FOR ME, I JUST WANT TO AGAIN, LIKE, WE WANT TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY, BUT IT CAN'T JUST BE A NO, WE DON'T WANT IT AND THAT'S IT. WELL, I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT KIND OF STANDARDS YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT INTO THIS MANUAL.

AND I'M GETTING REPORTS FROM THESE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT STAFF ISN'T PROVIDING ANY GUIDANCE ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO OVERCOME THEIR OBJECTIONS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE A MANUAL BEFORE WE HAVE TO VOTE ON APPROVING AN RFP IN A CONTRACT.

AND COUNCILMAN A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION HAS TO DO WITH WALKABILITY IT HAS TO DO WITH CLUTTER IN THE SIDEWALK.

I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT, AGAIN, YOU CAN ALMOST TAKE THE THE 5G ROLLOUT OR THE 5G DESIGN MANUAL AND, AND MAKE IT FOR THE KIOSK.

IT LOOKS AT SPACING REQUIREMENTS, IT LOOKS AT WALKABILITY.

IT LOOKS AT ENSURING ADA COMPLIANCE.

IT LOOKS AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO I MEAN IT AND I DON'T MEAN TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, REFERRING BACK TO THAT, BUT IT IS A VERY SIMILAR DESIGN MANUAL TO WHAT WE WOULD UTILIZE FOR ANYTHING ALMOST THAT WE WOULD PUT IN A SIDEWALK.

IF I COULD JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY FOR YOUR QUESTIONS.

AND THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION.

I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT WE WILL NOT RUSH INTO FINALIZING ANYTHING AS IT RELATES TO ANOTHER RFP WITHOUT

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GETTING THE TASK FORCE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY AND HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD.

WE TOO HAVE HAD THOSE SAME EMAILS, PHONE CALLS ABOUT THOSE ISSUES.

AND SO OUR COMMITMENT IS THAT BEFORE WE BRING BACK A GO FORWARD WITH A TIMELINE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE RFP, THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE OUR TIME AND DO THAT. AND SO I HEAR THE COMMENTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LEAN IN MORE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING A BETTER JOB OF ENGAGEMENT.

ENGAGEMENT IS NOT YOU LISTEN AND THEN YOU GO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

IT'S REALLY ABOUT FINDING A WAY TO IMPLEMENT THOSE THE FEEDBACK, THE SUGGESTIONS AND BEING ABLE TO THEN COME BACK TO THIS BODY AND BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU HOW WE'VE DONE THAT. AND THEN IN MY OPINION, THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WHEN WE DO GO BACK OUT FOR AN RFP, THAT WHAT WE GET BACK IS TRULY IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.

AND SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT.

I THINK WE WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CRITICAL CONVERSATIONS AND NOT MAKE THIS APPEAR AS IF THE CITY IS TRYING TO RUSH AND MAKE ANY DECISION.

SO THAT IS MY COMMITMENT, AND THE TEAM AND I WILL WORK TOGETHER WITH THOSE STAKEHOLDERS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT ALREADY.

DR. PEREZ HAS MENTIONED THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES ALREADY DURING THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SPEAKING UP TO TELL YOU HOW I BELIEVE WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND THE EXPECTATION WE KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS AS IT RELATES TO ENGAGEMENT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THOSE QUESTIONS.

SO DOES THAT COMMITMENT EXTEND TO SEEING A FINAL DESIGN MANUAL SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN BE ASSURED AS TO WHAT THE LOCATION CRITERIA WILL BE BEFORE WE COMMIT TO A CONTRACT? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CRITICAL PART OF HOW YOU EVEN INFORM WHAT THE SCOPE INCLUDES, SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE RESPONDING TO.

SO MY ANSWER WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE A CRITICAL PART OF THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IS DONE BEFORE WE GO BACK OUT ON THE STREET.

AND HAVING THAT INPUT SHOULD BE ON THE FRONT END AND NOT ON THE BACK END.

SO MY ANSWER IS YES.

CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM D.

AND I WILL SAY I APPRECIATE THAT THE MICROMOBILITY WORKING GROUP KEEPS BEING BROUGHT BACK UP BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE STAKEHOLDERS ALSO, WHEN I FIRST BECAME CHAIR, TRANSPORTATION, MR. MAYOR, WERE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO BRINGING SCOOTERS BACK.

AND WE SAT DOWN, WE WORKED HARD, WE GOT TO BUSINESS.

AND NOW COUNCIL MEMBER KATHY STEWART, THAT'S WHEN I FIRST EVER GOT TO MEET HER AND GET TO SEE HER WORK, LIKE WORKING AT, YOU KNOW, ON SOMETHING LIKE IN HER VOICE WAS CRITICAL BECAUSE SHE HAD REPRESENTED UPTOWN AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET DOWN TO A, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A MANUAL, BUT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF SCOOTERS BRINGING THEM BACK.

AND WHAT I LOVE NOW IS THAT THESE SAME GROUPS THAT WERE ANTI SCOOTERS COMING BACK ARE NOW SENDING US LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION SAYING GIVE SCOOTERS, GIVE, BRING US MORE SCOOTERS NOW. AND SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO SEE THAT.

SO I HAVE FULL FAITH THAT DR.

ROBERT PEREZ AND HIS TEAM WILL BE ABLE TO EXECUTE PUTTING A WORKING GROUP TOGETHER BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE CITYWIDE.

SO THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAN THAN THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST DOWNTOWN CENTRIC.

AND SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY DOWNTOWN THAT'S COMING OUT OPPOSED WHEN HOW MANY OF THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS EXIST DOWNTOWN AND IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW? THERE ARE SEVERAL DIGITAL KIOSKS.

NOT INTERACTIVE, PROBABLY, BUT DIGITAL KIOSKS ALREADY IN UPTOWN AND DOWNTOWN AREA.

AND I KNOW THAT SOME AREAS ARE ALLOWED AND SOME AREAS AREN'T.

BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, LIKE LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT NEIGHBORHOODS ALREADY, BUT THAT THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED AND THEY'RE DOING IT THEMSELVES ANYWAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND IT'S NOT ABOUT WALKABILITY.

THERE'S OTHER I MEAN, I SEE LIKE I'VE GOT ALL THESE PICTURES RIGHT HERE THAT SHOW DIGITAL KIOSKS ALL OVER OUR CITY THAT ARE BEING USED AND MAINTAINED.

SO ARE THESE OURS OR THEY DO THEY BELONG TO.

WELL, THIS ONE BELONGS TO DART, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT DO THEY BELONG TO US OR DO THEY BELONG TO SOME OTHER ENTITY THAT HAS THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS THAT ALREADY EXIST ACROSS THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THEY DON'T BELONG TO ANY PROGRAM THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS.

AND ARE THEY IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY? I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE FULLY VETTED THAT, BUT THEY APPEAR TO BE.

AND SO IS THERE A DESIGN MANUAL THAT ALREADY EXISTS FOR THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS THAT EXIST AT THIS POINT OR MOMENT IN TIME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? NONE OF THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD.

THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. AND SO IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND BEING OPPOSED TO SOMETHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I FIND IT DISINGENUOUS WHEN FOLKS TELL ME WE'RE WILLING TO WORK, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT TOGETHER A WORKING GROUP.

WE'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND GET TO, TO, TO MUSTER, BUT THEN TURN AROUND AND WAS LIKE, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, THAT DOESN'T FLY WITH ME.

WHAT FLIES WITH ME IS LET'S WORK TOGETHER.

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LET'S GET IT DONE. BECAUSE WE DID IT WITH SCOOTERS AND EVERYBODY SAID, YOU CAN'T BRING SCOOTERS BACK.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE WORST THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND WE BROUGHT SCOOTERS BACK.

AND NOW FOLKS ARE SITTING THERE GOING, WE LIKE THEM, WE LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND WE'RE AND WE'RE MASSAGING STILL.

AND WOULD WE BE ABLE TO PUT A WORKING GROUP TOGETHER WHERE WE CAN STILL MASSAGE IF DIGITAL KIOSKS HAPPEN, WHERE WE CAN MASSAGE DIGITAL DIGITAL KIOSKS? SO THAT WHEN WE FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS THIS DIDN'T WORK SO WELL HERE, BUT IT COULD WORK THERE.

CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, SIR. VERY GOOD.

YOU KNOW, THE BENEFITS OF DIGITAL KIOSKS ARE PUBLIC SAFETY CAMERAS.

IS THAT CORRECT? WE COULD PUT CAMERAS IN.

THAT COULD HELP US WITH PUBLIC SAFETY THAT COULD TIE INTO OUR NETWORK.

IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, SIR. WE COULD HAVE CHARGING STATIONS FOR FOLKS LIKE ME WHO ALWAYS FORGET TO CARRY THEIR CHARGER FOR THEIR PHONE OR THEIR LAPTOP OR THEIR IPAD, AND THERE COULD BE CHARGING STATIONS THAT COULD BE INSTALLED ONTO THESE AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN GET A QUICK CHARGE SO THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR CELL PHONE AGAIN.

IS THAT ACCURATE? IT COULD BE THE CASE, SIR. COULD WI-FI BE INSTALLED INTO THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS SO THAT SOMEBODY WHO MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THE LUXURY OR THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING A DATA PLAN OUTSIDE OF THEIR PHONE? BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HAS A DATA PLAN THAT ALLOWS FOR 5G OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT COULD ALLOW FOR WI-FI TO BE CONNECTED TO THAT PHONE THROUGH THE DIGITAL KIOSK, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN.

YES, SIR. VERY GOOD.

THIS IS ALL THIS IS ALL REALLY COOL STUFF THAT WE COULD DO WITHOUT BEING NAYSAYERS AND SAYING, NO, WE WON'T DO THEM.

NOW, HOW MANY ROUND KIOSKS ARE OUT THERE THAT EXIST IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? BECAUSE I KNOW THESE ARE A PROBLEM.

THE STAGNANT ROUND KIOSKS ARE A PROBLEM.

HOW MANY OF THOSE EXIST RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? WE BELIEVE THERE ARE 84 OF THEM.

BUT WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO IT.

VERY GOOD. AND WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CONTRACT THAT WE DID WAS ALLOWS UP TO 500 OF THESE ROUND KIOSKS.

THEY JUST WEREN'T ALL SPREAD OUT.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 75, MAYBE 150 SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THERE OF THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS.

SO SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WORKING GROUP DO WOULD BE TO SAY THAT, NO, YOU CAN'T INSTALL THESE ON ANYWHERE ON A SIDEWALK THAT'S THREE FEET OR LESS OR, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK. THERE'S GOT TO BE A MINIMUM SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT THAT THAT ALSO FITS THE ADA.

YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THOSE THREE FEET PLUS ENOUGH TO INSTALL IT SO THAT THAT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH WALKABILITY.

THEY CAN'T BE IN FRONT OF STOREFRONT DOORS.

THEY CAN'T BE WE CAN'T PLACE ONE WHERE A DIGITAL WHERE ROUND, STAGNANT KIOSK ALREADY EXISTS.

YOU CAN'T PUT ONE BACK IN UNTIL THAT ROUND KIOSK IS GONE OR SEPARATED.

BUT THERE'S A I THINK THREE YEARS BEFORE THAT CONTRACT ENDS ON THAT ONE.

ANOTHER BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR SOME OF THESE, NOT DOWNTOWN, BUT OUTSIDE OF ARE THAT THE DIGITAL KIOSK COMPANIES COULD ALSO CREATE APPS FOR THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS LIKE LIKE LIKE LIKE TRINITY GROVES, LIKE OAK CLIFF, LIKE THE ZOO, LIKE SOUTHERN GATEWAY PROJECT, LIKE ALL OF THOSE THINGS WHERE AN APP COULD BE CREATED.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM D? THANK YOU MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE IT.

A COUPLE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR DOING COMMUNITY MEETING FOR DISTRICT ONE.

I KNOW IN THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA CHALLENGED ALL OF US TO HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

IF WE HADN'T DONE THAT ALREADY, WE DID IT.

AND YOU HANDLED IT VERY WELL.

LOTS OF GREAT COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.

I AGREE WITH WHAT CHAIR NARVAEZ SAID.

LIKE, LET'S BE GENUINE AND IF WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO OFFER TO WORK THROUGH THIS, THEN LET'S COME TO THE TABLE AND ACTUALLY WORK THROUGH THIS.

AND IF FOLKS ARE AGAINST IT AS A CONCEPT, JUST BE UP FRONT ABOUT IT.

FOR ME, I'M ALWAYS A I TELL THIS TO STAFF ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY MY FRIENDS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, LIKE, HELP ME GET TO.

YES. HOW DO WE GET TO YES.

AND I'LL BE AT THE TABLE WITH YOU AND FOR ME TO GET TO.

YES TO TO PARAPHRASE CHAIR STEWART, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.

AND THE DETAILS THAT I'VE BEEN WRITING DOWN HERE ARE THE COMMUNITY INPUT.

I WAS REALLY GLAD TO HEAR THE CITY MANAGER SAY THAT BEFORE WE ROLL THROUGH WITH THE RFP, WE WILL HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT ON THE DESIGN MANUAL.

AND THAT'S I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY.

GREAT. SO THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF HOPE THERE.

I DON'T I STILL DON'T THINK I HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE'RE DOING 75 WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM.

AND IF YOU ANSWER, YOU ANSWER THAT.

BUT I IT STILL WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THAT.

I DON'T THINK IF THERE IS ANY SCIENCE BEHIND THE 75, I THINK FOR THE SIZE OF THE CITY, WE THOUGHT THAT 75 IS THE MINIMUM THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE ENTIRE CITY.

IF THE DESIRE IS TO GO HIGHER OR LOWER, WE CAN PROBABLY EXPLORE THAT.

BUT IT WAS A NUMBER SELECTED BY STAFF.

OKAY. I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THAT, BUT I HAD RECEIVED FROM ONE OF OUR FOLKS THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT THIS THAT HOUSTON ROLLED OUT THROUGH IKE 25

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KIOSKS. IS THAT CORRECT? THE MINIMUM OR I HEARD THAT THEY ROLLED THAT OUT.

I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT. THAT CAME FROM SOMEONE ELSE.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF OTHER CITIES HAVE ROLLED OUT 75 OR MORE OR LESS, OR ARE WE BASED THAT NUMBER ON.

I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THEY HAD ON THEIR RFP OR THE ROLLOUT PHASE THAT THEY HAVE.

I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED, BUT THAT'S ALL UNFORTUNATELY.

THAT'S FINE. FOR ME, LIKE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK CHAIR SCHULTZ BROUGHT IT UP FIRST AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED IT.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, WE WANT IT HERE.

WE DON'T WANT IT HERE. IT SHOULDN'T GET DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE MORE INPUT ONTO THE LOCATIONS THAN JUST THE TRUST IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE UP HERE, BUT YOU MAY NOT BE HERE IN TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, AND I CERTAINLY WON'T BE HERE, YOU KNOW, IN A FEW YEARS. AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT GOES INTO THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN PASS ON TO FUTURE PROPERTY OWNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS AND THAT THAT CARRIES ON.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THERE, BUT FOR ME, THERE'S GOT TO BE A MORE SPECIFIC WAY TO SELECT LOCATIONS BEFORE I CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING YES ON THIS.

OKAY. THANKS.

MISS WILLIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

SO I THINK WHAT THE VENDOR NEEDS TO MAKE THIS WORK IS EYEBALLS.

AND IN DALLAS, THE PLACES WHERE EYEBALLS ARE CONCENTRATED ARE NOT REALLY THE PLACES THAT ARE THE BEST TO ACCOMMODATE A BIG KIOSK LIKE THIS.

NOW, I DID HAPPEN TO SEE THESE IN THE WILD IN ATLANTA LAST WEEK, AND THEY WERE PART OF AN AREA THAT HAD BEEN DESIGNED AND INCLUDED THEM. AND SO WE ARE ALWAYS EMBARKING ON NEW PROJECTS.

WE'VE GOT SOME MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON DOWNTOWN THAT COULD HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS DESIGNED INTO THEM.

FAIR PARK IS MORE OPEN AND I THINK THEY COULD BE USEFUL THERE.

OUR CONVENTION CENTER COULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE THESE, WHERE THEY CAN BE DESIGNED IN TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT IMPEDING PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT INTERFERING WITH PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, ABILITY TO NAVIGATE.

AND SO IT IT MAY BE A LITTLE PREMATURE FOR THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT DALLAS IS READY FOR ALL OF THE THE VOLUME OF THESE THAT THIS VENDOR IS GOING TO NEED TO GENERATE THE REVENUE THEY'RE GOING TO NEED.

THAT SAID, I ALSO DON'T KNOW THAT THE REVENUE PORTION THAT DALLAS WOULD RECEIVE IS WORTH THE HEARTBURN RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING.

BUT ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS, I KEEP HEARING IS ABOUT HOW EVERYONE'S GOT A CELL PHONE AND THEY DON'T NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO ON THAT, I DISAGREE BECAUSE THESE DO HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE POWER TO INTERRUPT AND DISRUPT.

AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT DALLAS VISIT DALLAS OR AN ENTITY MIGHT WANT SOMEONE TO BE AWARE OF AND THINK ABOUT THAT THEY WOULDN'T NATURALLY BE SEARCHING FOR.

AND SO THAT ARGUMENT JUST DOESN'T REALLY HOLD WATER WITH ME.

HOWEVER, THE BIGGER PICTURE IS THAT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE READY FOR THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACES WHERE THESE COULD BE DESIGNED IN TO WHERE THEY WOULD NOT CREATE ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUES OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO EXPRESS TO US.

I MEAN, I'VE GOT SIDEWALKS IN MY DISTRICT WHERE WE HAVE PLANTED A STOP SIGN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM, SO I SURE DON'T WANT TO KEEP GOING DOWN THAT PATHWAY WHERE WE'RE INSERTING SOMETHING INTO A PLACE WHERE IT'S JUST IT'S WE'RE BARELY GETTING PEOPLE AROUND, WHERE IT COULD IMPEDE THAT ABILITY.

SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE OVERALL IDEA OF IT.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE PREMATURE.

AND I ALSO THINK THAT OUR GUIDELINES FOR THIS OUR ABILITY TO DICTATE WHERE THESE WOULD GO ARE ALSO VERY CRITICAL SO THAT WE DON'T END UP IN THE KIND OF SITUATION WE GOT WITH THE ROUND KIOSKS.

THANKS. CHAIRMAN MORENO.

THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

MOLLY, I WANT TO FIRST THANK YOU FOR YOUR PROFESSIONALISM THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

COMMUNITY INPUT AND ENGAGEMENT IS CRITICAL, I THINK, FOR FOR ALL OF US.

FOR ME IN PARTICULAR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY STAKEHOLDERS, MY RESIDENTS, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEIR POSITION.

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW LONG THE RFP WAS OUT FOR? I BELIEVE IT WAS THREE WEEKS ADVERTISED AND EXTENDED TO THREE MORE WEEKS.

SIX WEEKS. DURING THE OPEN SOLICITATION PROCESS HOW MANY INTERACTIONS AND ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES DID THE PUBLIC HAVE? POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR.

PLEASE STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER.

THE AGENDA IS AGENDIZED AS AN UPDATE AND IT IS NOT ABOUT A PAST PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

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WE'RE GOING TO SUSTAIN THAT POINT OF ORDER AS WELL.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO PAGE FOUR AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE THE BENEFITS ON ACCESS TO ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES A ND THE OPPORTUNITIES AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE.

I KNOW WHEN I'M RUNNING A RESTAURANT SMALL SCALE, WE DON'T HAVE THE NATIONAL BANDWIDTH TO DO SOMETHING ON A ON A GLOBAL SCALE ADVERTISING ON ON TELEVISION. DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OR AN IDEA OF WHAT THE AVERAGE COST WOULD BE TO ADVERTISE ON THE DIGITAL KIOSK? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, SIR.

OKAY. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ARTS AND CULTURE AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE, WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A DISPLAY OR AN AD AND TO HAVE THAT PUBLICLY DISPLAYED THROUGHOUT THE KIOSK? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TURNAROUND TIMETABLE IS? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK THIS HAS TO BE INCORPORATED DURING THE CONTRACT EXECUTION AND AS A PART OF THE CONTRACT.

I KNOW THAT I WAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO DOWN TO TO THE WEST END AND LOOKING AT THEIR WAYFINDING SIGNS, WHICH ARE QUITE OUTDATED.

A LOT OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE NO LONGER IN EXISTENCE.

WOULD THESE KIOSKS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISPLAY WAYFINDING SIGNS? I BELIEVE THEY DO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO PROVIDE THE FINDING.

THE WAY FINDING.

ON PUBLIC SAFETY IS THEIR.

I'M GOING TO GO TWO, TWO WAYS WITH THIS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FACIAL RECOGNITION.

AND THEN ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT CUSTOMER DATA.

YEAH, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE FACIAL RECOGNITION PART OF IT.

AND AGAIN, THERE MIGHT BE SOME VENDORS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY RFP OR ANY PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW ONE, BUT WE MAY RECEIVE SOME SOMETHING FROM SOMEONE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE THAT CAPABILITY, BUT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF IT.

OKAY. AND ON THE THE APPS, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO TIE IN OUR 311 APP OR SEE SAY NOW APP? WE MAY HAVE THIS CAPABILITY, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO WORK THAT ONE OUT WITH THE VENDOR, WITH THE SELECTED VENDOR.

WHEN IT COMES TO INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY ONE OF MY CONCERN IS THE IF THESE BECOME OBSOLETE, SO WHAT DO WE WHAT DO WE HAVE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY STAYS CURRENT AND RELEVANT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER.

THE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE STATIC KIOSK HAD 20 YEARS OF CONTRACT, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND EVOLVES.

WE WERE THINKING TO HAVE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT AS A PART OF THE RFP.

WE HAD THE FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE EXTENSION WITH THE RENEWAL OPTION.

SO I THINK FIVE YEARS IS GOOD TO EVALUATE THE TECHNOLOGY AND IF SOMETHING HAS CHANGED AND THEY CANNOT PROVIDE IT, WE CAN CANCEL THAT CONTRACT BASICALLY.

SO I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO REPRESENT PARTS OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS AND SOME OF OUR OTHER ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT THESE ADD TO THE FABRIC OF OUR ENTERTAINMENT, AND THEY ADD A COMPONENT TO SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE WOULD EXPECT IN THE NINTH LARGEST CITY.

WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE, THOUGH, IS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE CONTINUE THAT ENGAGEMENT AND THAT WE LEARN FROM THE FIRST ROUND OF THE STATIC SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE, SUCH AS ADA.

THE DEAL POINTS, THE SHARED REVENUE, THE LOCATION, THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA.

AND SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS A COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY THAT WE WILL CONTINUE THAT COOPERATION IN THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AS WE DESIGN A MANUAL AND A BEST PRACTICES.

SO IS THAT IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING, THAT WE'LL CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL THOSE PARTIES INVOLVED, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE MICROMOBILITY TASK FORCE? YES, SIR. AS DR. PEREZ MENTIONED, WE WILL CONTINUE THIS ENGAGEMENT.

AND THEN MY LAST ONE IS GOING TO BE HOW MANY SPECIAL SIGNED DISTRICTS DO WE HAVE? AND IF WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION PROVIDED OVER TO MY OFFICE, PLEASE.

WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SELECTING LOCATIONS IN THE RFP.

I'M STILL NOT CLEAR.

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WILL THE LOCATIONS BE DETERMINED BEFORE THE RFP IS SENT OUT? IN THE ORIGINAL RFP THAT WE HAD, WE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING REGARDING THE SELECTION OF THE LOCATION.

THE SELECTION OF LOCATION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ESTABLISHED AS A PART OF THE SELECTION MANUAL OR DESIGN MANUAL, IF YOU WILL.

HOWEVER, WHAT I'M HEARING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ENGAGE THEM WITH THE SELECTION CRITERIA, BUT BEFORE THE RFP GETS FINALIZED.

SO THAT'S A YES WE'LL HAVE LOCATIONS BEFORE THE RFP IS ISSUED.

COUNCIL MEMBER I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT.

AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THE REVENUE MODELS THAT THE PROPOSALS WILL GENERATE OR PROPOSERS WILL GENERATE WILL BE BASED UPON CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS AS FAR AS PLACEMENT. OKAY.

WELL, I'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT LATER.

SO THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT 5G.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE HOW LARGE A 5G ANTENNA IS? WELL, IT REALLY DEPENDS.

THE TECHNOLOGY HAS EVOLVED.

I THINK ORIGINALLY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE BOXES WERE KIND OF LIKE 24IN BY I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING BUT IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE POLE THE UTILITY POLE, OR, LIKE, LESS THAN FIVE FEET TALL.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT NOW OUR DESIGN MANUAL INDICATED THAT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN CASE OF THE STREETLIGHT POLE.

AND THEY ADDED AN ANTENNA ON THE TOP, WHICH I DON'T REMEMBER THE DIMENSION OF IT.

SO I GUESS THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT THIS IS NOT VISUALLY INTRUSIVE.

THIS IS NOT DISTRACTING TO PEOPLE TO HAVE A 5G.

PLUS, WE ALL WANT ACCESS TO OUR PHONES WHEREVER WE ARE.

AND SO IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT THAN THIS KIOSK.

AND SO I REALLY DON'T WANT TO CONFLATE THOSE TWO IDEAS.

SKIP THIS ONE FOR NOW.

BACK TO THE DECISION MAKING ABOUT IF SOMETHING IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE.

IS THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER DECISION? IS THAT A STAFF DECISION? IS THAT A COMMUNITY GROUP DECISION? WHO ACTUALLY IS THE DECISION MAKER ON THAT? I THINK IF WE ESTABLISH THE DESIGN MANUAL OR SELECTION MANUAL, SO THAT SHOULD ADDRESS WHERE IT CAN OR IT CANNOT BE SELECTED.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THIS SELECTION MANUAL, FOR WHATEVER REASON.

AND AGAIN I GO BACK TO 5G IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

WE HAD THIS INCIDENT THAT ONE OF THE DEVELOPER WAS BUILDING A HIGH RISE BUILDING, AND THEY SAID THAT I DON'T LIKE THESE 5G POLES IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY.

WE WORKED WITH THE VENDOR TO MOVE IT, AND IT WAS NOT OUT OF COMPLIANCE AT ALL, BUT WE STILL WORKED WITH THE VENDOR TO ACTUALLY MOVE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMEBODY WHO IS EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL.

THEY OWNED A BIG BUILDING DOWNTOWN.

WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT SAME CREDIBILITY, THAT DOESN'T WANT THIS.

AND I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT, DO WE HAVE TO PACK THE CHAMBERS TO NOT GET THE ONE LOCATION THAT PEOPLE HATE? DOES THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE TO THROW A HISSY FIT? LIKE, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IF THE COMMUNITY ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T WANT IT IN A LOCATION? BUT I GUESS MY TAKE ON THIS ONE IS THAT IF WE SELECT A COMMUNITY OR THE SELECTION PANEL FOR THIS DESIGN MANUAL, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE FROM EACH DISTRICT OR EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT.

RIGHT. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT COUNCIL DISTRICT WILL BE REPRESENTED BY SOMEONE TO PROVIDE INPUT FOR THE DESIGN MANUAL.

COULD THE DESIGN STANDARD INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE IT MUST HAVE A 16 FOOT WIDTH SIDEWALK TO BE ELIGIBLE? I DON'T THINK IF IT CAN BECAUSE NOT ANY NOT MANY PLACES IN THE CITY HAS THAT WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK, TO BE HONEST.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER OPTIONS, NOT JUST THE WIDTH ITSELF, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME TIMES THAT THE TRAIN OF THE SIDEWALK, THE SLOPE OF THE SIDEWALK, WHAT IS CLOSE TO THAT SIDEWALK? THE AMENITIES, THE BUSINESSES AND ALL THESE THINGS COULD MAYBE DICTATE THE ROLL IN PLACEMENT, BUT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WOULD BE LIMITING IT TO BE EVEN LESS AS OPPOSED TO MORE. SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT AT LEAST IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 12FT WITHOUT ANY OF THOSE OTHER ENCUMBRANCES? AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY NUMBER RIGHT NOW, MA'AM, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO STUDY THAT NUMBER.

FIRST OF ALL BUT PER OUR FEDERAL REQUIREMENT, PER ADA REQUIREMENT, THE DIMENSION IS LOT LESS THAN 12FT OR 16FT.

IF YOU WANT TO DICTATE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON IT.

OKAY, WELL, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION OF VISUAL CLUTTER IN ALL OF THIS, AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ITEM.

WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE WALKABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED, LIKE PLEASE INCLUDE THAT OTHER ITEM.

MY COMMUNITY HAS NO TRUST THAT STAFF SHOULD BE PICKING THIS.

WE HAD SIGNED ILAS FOR THE SILVER LINE AND THE CITY MANAGER OVERRODE THEM SO.

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THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE LOCATIONS WILL BE.

BEFORE I WOULD VOTE YES ON THIS, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT.

AND IN GENERAL, I DON'T VIEW THIS AS A THING THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR DALLAS.

THE ONLY POSITIVE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE DIGITAL KIOSKS HAVE COME FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THEM, THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT.

HOW LONG ARE YOU EXPECTING THAT TO BE? AS I MENTIONED IN OUR FIRST TIME IS STILL GOING.

PLEASE PAUSE IT.

I'M SORRY. AS I MENTIONED IN THE FIRST ROUND, WE HAD THE FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE OPTION OF EXTENSION.

WHAT WERE THE PARAMETERS ON THE FIRST RFP FOR LOCATION? AGAIN, LOCATIONS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE RFP.

WE JUST HAD THE MINIMUM OF 75 KIOSKS.

OKAY. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT WANTING TO TRY TO GET TO YES.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK THESE ARE A BAD IDEA FOR DALLAS IN GENERAL.

AND WHAT I WANT TO GET TO YES TO IS WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE RESIDENTS.

WHAT CAN WE SAY YES TO IN TERMS OF THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE? I DO WANT TO GO OVER PAGE FOUR OF YOUR PRESENTATION.

AND IT'S THE BENEFITS OF THE INTERACTIVE DIGITAL KIOSK.

AND SO FOR SOCIAL CONNECTION, YOU TALK ABOUT HOW IT WILL LINK WITH A QR CODE.

BUT OF COURSE A PERSON WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PHONE TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT QR CODE TO GO SOMEWHERE.

SO AGAIN, IF THEY HAVE THE PHONE, THEY'RE NOT USING THIS.

IT TALKS ABOUT DEVELOPING, DEVELOPING STATE OF THE ART CONTENT.

WHO IS IN CHARGE OF DEVELOPING THAT CONTENT? WELL, AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER THESE ARE NOT A PART OF THE RFP.

AT THIS POINT, I THINK THESE ARE BENEFITS THAT WE SEE FROM THE DIGITAL KIOSK.

WE CAN BUT WHO IS DEVELOPING THE CONTENT? WE CAN PROBABLY FINALIZE THAT AS A PART OF THE CONTRACT EXECUTION, THAT WHAT WOULD BE IN THE FINAL CONTENT OF THE KIOSK.

BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT VENDOR PROBABLY HAVE SOME SORT OF ABILITY TO CREATE THEIR OWN CONTENT ON DIGITAL KIOSK.

YOU USE AN INTERESTING WORD UNDER ARTS AND CULTURE THAT IT'S A NEW CONDUIT FOR STIMULATING COMMUNITY.

AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE WORD YOU'RE USING IT IN, IT ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO MIND THE ACTUAL ISSUE OF A CONDUIT.

LIKE, HOW IS THIS THING GETTING ELECTRICITY? HOW DO THEY GET ELECTRICITY? BY POWER FROM ONCOR OR ANYTHING THAT RUNS TO THE DIGITAL KIOSKS SAME AS OTHER DIGITAL KIOSKS THAT ARE INSTALLED IN THE CITY ALREADY.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO DIG UP SOMETHING FROM THE STREET, WHETHER FROM STREET LIGHT POLES, UTILITY POLES, OR ANY OTHER METHOD THAT IS STANDARD. SO IF WE HAVE A CITY OF DALLAS LIGHT POLE, THEY'RE GOING TO USE OUR LIGHT POLE FOR ELECTRICITY.

I DON'T THINK IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE LIGHT POLE, BUT BECAUSE PROBABLY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF METER TO PAY FOR THE ELECTRICITY, I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET ELECTRICITY FROM ONCOR.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE SAME AS ANY OTHER THING.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A LIGHT POLE, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN THE CONDUIT THROUGH THE SIDEWALK OR STREET.

I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE WITH THIS.

SO THE SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE RIPPED UP TO INSTALL THESE.

REGARDLESS, THE SIDEWALK WILL BE DISTURBED BY INSTALLING, BUT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO RESTORE IT.

IS THERE ANY INSTANCE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS? TO PAY FOR THE SIDEWALK? NO TO GET ELECTRICITY OR IT'S ONLY ONCOR BECAUSE WE HAVE PLACES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ONCOR.

WELL, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS TO PROVIDE ELECTRICITY TO THEM.

I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO THEM. HOW TO GET THE ELECTRICITY? JAKE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YES, MA'AM. ALL POWER WILL WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE VENDOR.

THEY'LL METER EACH LOCATION.

IT'S NOT. A METER IT OFF OF WHAT? THEY HAVE TO THAT'S THERE WHETHER IT'S ONCOR, TYPICALLY ONCOR.

BUT BUT WHAT IF IT'S NOT ONCOR? WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. THEY HAVE TO SOURCE THEIR OWN POWER, MA'AM.

LIKE THAT WOULD THE CITY OF DALLAS IS NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED WITH WHERE THEY GET THAT FROM.

THEY HAVE TO SOURCE THEIR OWN POWER.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT ABOUT THE PRIVACY ON PUBLIC SAFETY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SECURITY CAMERAS.

WHO COULD ACCESS THOSE CAMERAS? IT WOULD BE DALLAS PD OFFICE OF INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS AND THE VENDOR WOULD HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE CAMERA.

I'M SORRY. THE VENDOR WOULD HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE CAMERA.

NO, NO, THE VENDOR DOESN'T OWN ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S GATHERED OR COLLECTED.

IT'S ALL PRIVATE TO THE CITY.

WE DON'T DISPERSE IT.

NO THIRD PARTY DISBURSEMENT OF THE INFORMATION OR ANYTHING.

NONE OF IT IS SOLD. THE VENDOR CAN'T SELL DATA THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING IF PEOPLE ARE DOING WAYFINDING.

NO, MA'AM.

IT'S IN THE RFP, I BELIEVE.

SO IT SAYS THAT THERE'S AN EQUITY ISSUE AND THAT THERE ARE SOCIAL SERVICES AND ACCESS TO JOB OPPORTUNITIES.

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CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS? SO THE 20% OF THE THE SLIDES.

SO WHAT WAS PROPOSED TO US WAS EIGHT SLIDES THAT ROTATE EVERY 20S OR 15 SECONDS.

ONE OF THOSE IS DEDICATED FOR CITY USE FOR CITY SERVICES.

SO ANY CITY SERVICE OUT THERE, WE ANY DEPARTMENT THAT WANTS TO USE IT, WHETHER IT'S THE DALLAS WATER, UTILITIES, HOUSING, WHOEVER, IT'S THERE FOR US TO USE ON A CONSTANT REEL.

AND THAT'S SOMEHOW GOING TO GET PEOPLE A JOB OPPORTUNITY.

COUNCIL MEMBER IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO ADVERTISE FOR VACANCIES OR SOMETHING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE CAN USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE AS WELL.

HOW ABOUT SOCIAL SERVICES? WHATEVER SERVICE THE CITY OF DALLAS OFFERS, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE IT FOR ADVERTISING.

OKAY, I THINK THIS SLIDE IS A REAL STRETCH.

WHAT ABOUT AIR QUALITY MITIGATION? HOW DO THESE AFFECT AIR QUALITY MITIGATION? WE ASKED AS PART OF IT PROVIDE WI-FI 150 FOOT RADIUS AND ALSO TO INCLUDE AN AIR QUALITY MONITOR THAT WITH EACH DEVICE SO WE CAN MONITOR THE AIR QUALITY AT EACH LOCATION.

WELL, THAT DOESN'T MITIGATE IT.

IT TRACKS IT.

YEAH, MAYBE IT'S FOR THAT.

NOT THE BEST BUT BY MITIGATION.

MEANING THAT ONCE WE KNOW THE AIR QUALITY, THEN WE CAN MAYBE ADDRESS SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

BUT THIS IS MORE OF A AIR QUALITY DATA GATHERING.

SO I SEE I HAVE 13 SECONDS LEFT ON PAGE SEVEN.

YOU'VE GOT A LIST OF FEEDBACK FROM STAKEHOLDERS.

FOUR OF THE BULLETS TALK ABOUT CONCERNS, VEHICLE DISTRACTIONS WITH HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC AREAS.

BUT AREN'T THOSE THE VERY AREAS THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN? AND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE YOUR LAST QUESTION FOR THIS ROUND.

YOU HAVE ONE MORE, TWO MORE.

SORRY, I'M NOT SURE IF I FOLLOW THE QUESTION.

CAN I REPEAT THE QUESTION? YEAH, PLEASE GO AHEAD, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A MEETING WITHOUT ME REPEATING A QUESTION.

YEAH THAT'S TRUE.

SO ON SLIDE SEVEN IT SAYS RAISE CONCERNS.

IDEAS HAVE INCLUDED IN ONE OF THE BULLETS IS VEHICLE DISTRACTIONS AND HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUME AREAS.

AND MY QUESTION IS ISN'T THAT THE LOCATIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.

THESE ACTUAL UNITS ARE IN THE AREAS WITH HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUME.

THEY USUALLY LIKE TO INSTALL THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS IN THE HIGH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT WHEN PEDESTRIAN CAN ACTUALLY SEE AND INTERACT WITH THEM.

AND THIS IS, I THINK, TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICULAR DISTRACTION BY SEEING THE KIOSK AND WHEN THEY'RE PASSING BY, I THINK.

THANK YOU. I'LL ASK THEM IN THE NEXT ROUND.

MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

THE KIOSK THAT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I DID NOT SEE A MAP.

WHERE ARE THEY BASICALLY LOCATED? MAJORITY OF THE KIOSKS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE MAP, SIR, OF THE STATIC KIOSK.

IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

I DON'T THINK WE DO HAVE A MAP.

I THINK WE CAN GATHER THE NUMBER OF THE KIOSKS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, BUT YEAH, WE DON'T.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MAP SHOWING.

SO. SO WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE CURRENT KIOSK IS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME ADDRESSES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE KIOSKS SOMEWHERE, BUT WHETHER THEY'RE MAPPED OR NOT, I'M NOT AWARE.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY MAP FOR THEM.

MAYOR PRO TEM, WE DO HAVE A LIST OF OF THE ADDRESSES AS TO WHERE THOSE 87 OR 84 ARE AT.

SO WE DO HAVE IT.

AS ALI SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE MAPPED IT ANYWHERE, WHICH SOMEWHAT WE CAN DO.

BUT THEY ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF THEM PRIMARILY LOCATED DOWNTOWN, UPTOWN AREAS.

BUT THEY ARE ACROSS THE CITY, I THINK.

WELL, NOT, I THINK, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THAT SOME OF THESE KIOSKS ARE AND, YOU KNOW, FAR NORTH DALLAS AND OTHER PLACES ACROSS THE CITY.

SO WHEN THE ORIGINAL KIOSKS WERE PLACED.

THEY COULD GO ANYWHERE.

IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHERE THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS, WHERE THEY COULD GO, WHERE THEY COULD NOT GO GUIDELINES.

WELL, AGAIN, I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS.

THERE ARE SOME, FOR EXAMPLE, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT THEY REQUIRE TO HAVE MINIMUM OF MAYBE SEVEN FOOT SIDEWALKS.

OR IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT MINIMUM, THEY CANNOT INSTALL IT.

THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT THEY MAY HAVE SOME SORT OF ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THESE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY.

AND ALSO IF WE ESTABLISHED THE INSTALLATION MANUAL, THEN THAT ALSO PROVIDES SOME SORT OF RESTRICTION FOR INSTALLING ANYWHERE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. WE CHECK AND MAKE SURE ALL THE KIOSKS THAT ARE LOCATED, THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

THE ONE THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED.

YES. WE CAN PROBABLY WE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY NONCOMPLIANCE ISSUE WITH THOSE KIOSKS TO BE HONEST, BUT I'M ASSUMING AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE INSTALLED BACK IN 2008 OR SO THERE WERE SOME SORT OF INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF ANY REQUIREMENT.

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I KNOW FOR FUTURE WE CAN DEFINITELY DICTATE THAT.

BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THE FACT THAT WHETHER THE CURRENT STATIC KIOSKS ARE IN VIOLATION OR NOT.

SO THE QUESTION WE HAVE NOT CONFIRMED THAT ALL THE KIOSKS WE HAVE TODAY, THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

WE HAVE NOT VERIFIED THAT.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY REPORTS SHOWING IF THEY ARE IN VIOLATION.

MAYOR PRO TEM ATKINS.

SO OUR ROBUST VETTING PROCESS FOR THE EXISTING STATIC KIOSK, THERE ARE 6 OR 8 STEPS.

ONE OF THEM IS A VISIBILITY SIGHT DISTANCE TRIANGLE, ADA COMPLIANCE REVIEW BY REAL ESTATE PLANNING.

SO THE BLANKET LICENSE AGREEMENT, IT BASICALLY GIVES THEM ACCESS TO EXCLUSIVE ACCESS TO CERTAIN PARTS OR PARTS OF THE CITY.

AND THE ACTUAL LOCATIONS ARE TO BE DETERMINED AT A LATER TIME.

AND THERE'S A VETTING PROCESS WHERE YOU LOCATE, YOU ADDRESS THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SO FORTH.

BUT PART OF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE SITE, YOU KNOW, THE TRIANGLE VISIBILITY AREA AND THE ADA COMPLIANCE.

SO ALL THAT WAS MET WHEN THOSE WERE INSTALLED.

SO UNLESS SOMETHING HAS CHANGED FROM WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED, THEY SHOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE.

OKAY. SO I KNOW WE GOT SOME OVERSIZE KIOSKS THAT MIGHT BE.

BLOCKING THE RIGHT OF WAY OR BLOCKING THE ADA.

SO. SO THEREFORE, TECHNICALLY, WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? STAFF DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T CHECKED THEM.

IS THAT THE FIRST STATEMENT WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED, SIR, THEY WE DID CHECK.

WE WOULDN'T APPROVE THEM.

SO WE HAD FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS ONE BRIEFING, WE HAD 185 APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED.

63 WERE FLAT OUT REJECTED BECAUSE OF EITHER, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, ADA COMPLIANCE.

SEVERAL REQUIRED REVIEW OR MODIFICATION.

BUT THE ONES THAT WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLED AT THE TIME, THEY MET ALL THE CRITERIA.

SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL LOCATION? THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR OCCUPYING OUR RIGHT OF WAY SPACE, AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO THAT IS DETERMINED AT A LATER TIME, LATER DATE.

AND WHAT WAS THE TERM OF THE THE LEASE WITH ALL THE KIOSK AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION? WHAT IS THEIR TERM? IT WAS IT WAS A 20 YEAR TERM.

IT WAS EXECUTED IN JANUARY OF 2006, BUT THERE WAS A COMMENCEMENT PERIOD FOR THEM TO GET UP AND RUNNING AND OPERATIONAL AND INSTALLED.

IT ACTUALLY EXPIRES JULY, JUNE 30TH OR JULY 1ST, 2028.

AND SO THAT WAS A STRAIGHT 20 YEAR TERM WITH NO OPTION.

YES, SIR.

IT WAS. WAS THERE A CLAUSE THAT THEY COULD BE WITHDRAWN OR PULLED BACK AND.

IF WE DO OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

I MEAN, IS THERE ANYTHING THEY SAY? THEY COULD BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. YOU CAN REMOVE THAT KIOSK.

YES, SIR. WE HAVE IT IN THE CONTRACT TO TO HOLD THEM TO THAT.

BUT IF WE OPT TO TERMINATE, WE DO HAVE TO PAY.

SO WHAT IS THE COMPLIANCE? GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. IF THEY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

IF THE STATIC KIOSK IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE, OR IF ANY OTHER STRUCTURE IN THE CITY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, JUST ON THIS PARTICULAR KIOSK. IF I GOT A KIOSK THERE, IF THEY NOT, WHAT IS WILL REVOKE THEM.

THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE OF WHAT I MEAN.

YOU KNOW, GRAFFITI MIGHT BE ON THERE FOR FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS.

DO THEY GOT TO CLEAN IT UP? THEY DON'T CLEAN UP IN THREE WEEKS.

WHAT HAPPENED? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

RECENTLY WE HAD ONE KIOSK THAT IT WAS DAMAGED AND IT WASN'T I GUESS MAINTAINED BY THE VENDOR.

WE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE FOR THE NEW DIGITAL KIOSK.

WE HAD A 48 HOURS TIME FRAME FOR ADDRESSING ANY MAINTENANCE ISSUE.

RIGHT. SO IF YOU HAVE A KIOSK IT'S ON A RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE APPROVED A RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE KIOSK TO BE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IN THE PAST, WE DID NOT APPROVE HOW WIDE THE SIDEWALK HAD TO BE.

HOW HOW YOU MANEUVER AROUND THE THE SIDEWALK TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? WELL, FOR A STATIC KIOSK, WE STILL HAD AT THE TIME, THE ADA REQUIREMENT, MINIMUM OF THE WALKABILITY REQUIREMENT FOR THE AGAIN, NOT JUST THE KIOSK, ANY STRUCTURE IN THE CITY.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IT WAS PART OF THE VETTING PROCESS FOR THIS KIOSK ALSO.

OKAY. SO GOING FORWARD, HOW DO YOU VISUALIZE A NEW KIOSK COMING INTO THE SYSTEM? GOING FORWARD, WHAT IS YOUR VISION? WELL, AGAIN FOR US, IT WAS THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE INSTALLATION MANUAL, THE DESIGN MANUAL.

AND BASED ON THAT WE'RE GOING TO DICTATE WHAT REQUIREMENT NEEDS TO BE MET BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY APPROVE THE LOCATION.

AS DOCTOR PEREZ MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE ON BOARD WITH THE PROCESS OF PREPARING THE DESIGN

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MANUAL. SO ONCE THAT IS FINALIZED, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A VERY GOOD DOCUMENT TO HOLD IT FOR FUTURE INSTALLATION OR ANYWHERE IN FUTURE, THAT THEY WANT TO INSTALL ANY KIOSK IN THE CITY.

HAVE YOU VISITED OTHER CITIES TO GET A COMPARISON OF WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES? I HAVE NOT VISITED THE CITIES.

I'VE SEEN PICTURES OF THE CITIES THAT THEY HAVE THESE TYPE OF DIGITAL KIOSKS.

AS I MENTIONED ON ONE OF THE SLIDE, WE ALSO RECEIVED SEVEN RESPONSES FROM CITIES THAT THEY INSTALLED THIS AND THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR.

THEY ALL IN FAVOR? THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR? I GUESS. CAN WE TALK ABOUT REVENUE SOURCE? WOULD IT BE NOT ON TOP OF IT? REVENUE SOURCE? I AIN'T PLAYING SO BAD. WHAT ABOUT A REVENUE SOURCE? WE DON'T KNOW YET. BECAUSE THE REVENUE SOURCE IS BASED ON THE NUMBERS INSTALLED AND ALSO BASED ON THE PROPOSAL WE RECEIVE, WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE FROM THE VENDOR.

SO AT THIS POINT, IT WILL BE VERY PREMATURE TO TALK ABOUT THE REVENUE MODEL AND REVENUE SOURCE WITH, WITH A REVENUE SOURCE WOULD BE SHARED BY THE CITY ABOUT THE KIOSK THAT IS IN DOWNTOWN OR MAYBE APPEARED MAYBE A FAR APART.

SO WHO ACTUALLY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE REVENUES? WHO IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.

OKAY, SO SO IF I INSTALLED A KIOSK THAT SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, IN FRONT OF CITY HALL AND I GOT A RESTAURANT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH MIGHT BE ASSOCIATION, CAN THAT SAME COMPANY PAY THE ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THE KIOSK IS LOCATED AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION? SO SO I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.

ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE UP TO CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING SHARED WITH THE AREA STAKEHOLDERS.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO THIS BODY, SIR.

WHAT ABOUT THE BUSINESS THAT THAT IF THE CITY OF DALLAS SAID, HEY, I'M GOING TO PUT A KIOSK RIGHT IN FRONT OF X DO THE BUSINESS AND ASSETS SO THAT THEY DON'T WANT THAT KIOSK IN FRONT OF THE X BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S A.

THE RIGHT TYPE OF ITEM TO BE THERE, OR DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF RIGHTS? AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AS WE ESTABLISH THE GUIDELINES FOR THIS PROGRAM, SIR.

OKAY, SO SO HAVE WE STARTED WRITING THE CRITERIA OF WHAT WE EXPECT TO WITH OTHERS, SAY TO HAVE THAT CRITERIA MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.

OTHER CITIES. HAVE WE THOUGHT OF WRITING SOMETHING, WHAT WE EXPECT? WHAT WE RECOMMEND THEM TO, TO BE STANDING BY LIKE A MISS, MILLER SAID.

THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, WALKABILITY, YOU KNOW, A HANDICAP, YOU KNOW.

SURE. I MEAN, THAT WILL BE A PART OF THE ESTABLISHED GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE GOING TO PREPARE.

IF WE LOOK AT KIOSKS, I KNOW WE WOULD NOT TRY TO DO A 20 YEAR CONTRACT.

RIGHT. WE WOULD. WHAT WOULD WE DO? WHAT WHAT IS OTHER CITIES IS DOING? WELL, AS I MENTIONED, IN OUR FIRST RFP, WE HAD THE FIVE YEAR CONTRACT TERM BECAUSE THIS IS TECHNOLOGY AND WE WANT TO KNOW HOW THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO EVOLVE.

SO WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO HAVE A LONG TERM 20 YEARS OF CONTRACT FOR THESE TYPE OF DEVICES.

SO WHAT IS THE LIFETIME OF THESE KIOSKS? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THE LIFETIME USE OF THEM, BUT WE DO HAVE THEM TO BE UPGRADED AS TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE USABLE AND UP TO DATE WITH, YOU KNOW, SOCIETAL NORMS. THE CURRENCY WE GET NOW, THEY'VE BEEN OVER THERE OVER 15 YEARS.

HAVE THEY ALL STILL OPERATING EFFICIENTLY? HAVE THEY BEEN UPGRADED? WELL, THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY FOR 16 YEARS, SIR, SINCE 2008, IF YOU COUNT THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING THE CITY'S REVENUE SINCE THEN.

THEY ARE STILL IN BUSINESS.

I'M ASSUMING THEY ARE STILL OPERATING.

OKAY. WHEN YOU SAID ASSUME THEY STILL OPERATING, HAVE WE CHECKED AND SEE HAVE ALL 85 STILL OPERATING? I DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS TO SEE.

ALL OF THEM ARE OPERATING.

I'VE SEEN ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO MY ATTENTION THAT IT WAS DAMAGED.

BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE THE STATIC KIOSKS.

YOU JUST PLACE THE SOMETHING STATIC ON THE FACE OF THE KIOSK, AND IT STAYS THERE FOR THE TIME THAT THEY ARE YOU KNOW, HAVING A CONTRACT FOR.

A REPEAT OF THE TIME.

OF HOW LONG? WELL, IT DEPENDS WHAT CONTRACT THEY HAVE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ADVERTISING COMPANY THAT THEY GET.

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IF I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND SAY, OKAY, I NEED THIS ADVERTISEMENT TO BE ON THE KIOSK FOR THREE WEEKS, THEN IT STAYS THERE FOR THREE WEEKS, I'M ASSUMING, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT WILL CHANGE TO GO TO ANOTHER ADVERTISEMENT.

SO I THINK THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING.

BUT AGAIN, THEY ARE STILL IN THE CITY.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY REPORTS SHOWING THAT THEY ARE NOT OPERATING BECAUSE, AGAIN, THERE ARE STILL PAYING THE REVENUE TO THE CITY AS OF NOW AFTER 18 YEARS. OKAY.

WOULD IT BE IN A TERRITORY? AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, DIFFERENT BUSINESS PLACES.

WOULD THERE BE A CERTAIN TERRITORY? THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED IN A TERRITORY THEY SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED IN.

AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE YOUR LAST QUESTION FOR THIS ROUND.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

I MEAN, THE LOCATION OF IT, IT HAS TO BE IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA.

AND WHERE IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA AGAIN, GOES BACK TO THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH.

OKAY. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO TALK TO TO THE CITY MANAGER.

JOHN FORTUNE, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD WHEN LISTENING TO FEEDBACK WAS, WHAT BENEFIT DOES THIS HAVE? I DID SPEAK WITH OUR CHIEF AS WELL.

I'VE TALKED WITH YOU ABOUT THIS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS. I KNOW THAT WE'RE ROLLING OUT A PROGRAM THAT IS ASKING FOR VOLUNTARY PARTICIPATION AND TRYING TO GET AS MUCH CAMERA FOOTAGE AS WE CAN WITH THESE BEING IN THE MOST HIGH TRAFFICKED FOOT PEDESTRIAN AREAS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE ACCESS TO CAMERAS? SO THANK YOU.

DEPUTY CITY MANAGER JOHN FORTUNE, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

AND I'LL ADMITTEDLY TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY AND CAPABILITIES OF THE KIOSKS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY, BUT I CAN GENERALLY TELL YOU THAT DPD HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME RAMPING UP AND LOOKING FORWARD TO LEVERAGING RESOURCES VIA TECHNOLOGY SUCH AS CAMERAS TO BE ABLE TO HELP IDENTIFY YOU KNOW, CRIME ACTIVITY AS IT MAY BE HAPPENING AND USE THAT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BRING PEOPLE TO JUSTICE.

AND SO TO THE EXTENT AND TO THAT YOU JUST REFERENCED, THE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN RECENTLY JUST ANNOUNCED A NEW PROGRAM WHERE WE SEEK VOLUNTARY CONNECTIONS WITH, WITH RESIDENTS AND PRIVATE BUSINESSES WHO MAY WANT TO HAVE THAT FEED PROVIDED TO DPD.

WE WOULD CONTINUE TO WELCOME OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THAT NETWORK AND ANY OPPORTUNITY WE COULD TO MAKE THE CITY SAFER.

IT ALSO LEVERAGE OUR RESOURCES EVEN FURTHER.

THANK YOU. MR. FORTUNE, I DID REACH OUT AFTER TALKING WITH THE CHIEF TO THE THE GROUP THAT REACHED OUT TO ALL OF US AND CAME AND SPOKE AFTER THIS ITEM WAS PULLED.

AND THIS IS A CAPABILITY AFTER ALSO SPEAKING WITH SOME COUNTERPARTS IN OTHER CITIES SOME COLLEAGUES, SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OTHER CITIES SAID THIS AS UNEQUIVOCALLY THE COOLEST BENEFIT THAT THEY THOUGHT IN BRINGING IT ESPECIALLY TO THE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLY TRAFFICKED IN THEIR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS.

AND TWO, THAT I KNOW THAT IT WAS MENTIONED AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY KIOSKS IN HOUSTON, ONE OF THE CITIES THAT I REACHED OUT TO WAS HOUSTON, AND THEY HAVE ABOUT 120 THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN TOTAL.

AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THEIR FIRST TRANCHE, AND SO WE CAN SEE HOW OURS IS GOING TO LOOK.

BUT I BELIEVE IN ONE QUARTER THEY'VE ALREADY ACCRUED REVENUE OF ABOUT $800,000, WHICH IS LOOKING AT A FORECAST OF OVER $3 MILLION WITHIN THE YEAR OF 120 KIOSKS ALLOTMENT.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S THAT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL WHEN EVERY SINGLE BUDGET SEASON WE SEE MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS OF US TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REWORK AND FIGURE OUT WHERE AMOUNTS LESS THAN THAT $3 MILLION ARE EVEN FROM.

SO AGAIN, WITH OUR SHORTFALL AND LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, ANY ADDED REVENUE IN OUR CITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS LONG AS THERE'S A PUBLIC GOOD.

I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT THE MARKET'S GOING TO DICTATE WHERE A LOT OF THESE GO.

SOME OF THE HORROR STORIES THAT WE HEAR ARE JUST DISINGENUOUS.

MAYOR. AND IN FACT THERE IS I HOPE THAT THESE, THAT THESE KIOSKS ARE AS ENTERTAINING AS WHAT THIS PROCESS HAS TURNED OUT TO BE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE RHETORIC IS VERY MISLEADING.

AND JUST LIKE THIS PICTURE, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER AND THERE'S A PICTURE OF A KIOSK THAT SAYS DIGITAL KIOSKS WOULD CURB A WALKABLE DALLAS.

MEANWHILE, THE PICTURE THEY USED HAVE NINE PEOPLE WALKING ON THE SIDE OF IT, NINE PEOPLE I KNOW.

I DON'T HAVE MANY SIDEWALKS IN DISTRICT SEVEN THAT NINE PEOPLE COULD BE WALKING NEXT TO IN THE FIRST PLACE, LET ALONE WITH THIS HUGE OBSTRUCTION.

THAT WOULD COME IN. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO ALSO HIGHLIGHT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT MY COLLEAGUE WANTED TO MENTION A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM. YES, THEY ARE BIG NAMES.

THEY'RE BIG STAKEHOLDERS.

THEY ALSO MAKE UP A STREAM OF ABOUT 1.5MI² OF OUR 385MI² OF A CITY.

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AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING.

THEY MAY BE LOUD VOICES, BUT THEY DON'T SPEAK FOR OUR WHOLE CITY.

IT'S ALSO VERY UNIQUE THAT THE OPPOSITION THAT WE HAVE ALMOST ALL HAVE THEIR OWN PROGRAM AND OWN THEIR OWN PRODUCT THAT IS SIMILAR OR COMPARABLE.

SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT GENUINE FEEDBACK OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? I THINK THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.

SO I DID GO TO A LISTENING SESSION THIS WEEK, LISTENING SESSION IN PUBLIC, AND I HEARD VERY SPLIT FEEDBACK.

IN FACT, I COUNTED THERE WERE THREE MORE IN FAVOR THAN THERE WERE OPPOSED OF THE OPPOSED THAT WE HEARD FROM.

THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE EXACT SAME PEOPLE THAT WE HEARD FROM PREVIOUSLY THAT WERE ALSO OPPOSED, AGAIN, THAT HAVE THEIR OWN DIGITAL KIOSK PROGRAMS. PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFITS ARE SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALREADY HIGHLIGHTED.

I THINK THAT THE CAMERA THING IS HUGE.

I KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY, AND I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER CITIES THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT EVEN SOME GUNSHOT DETECTION OPPORTUNITIES.

OF COURSE, IT WOULD COME AT THE CITY'S COST, BUT HAVING THIS BUILT IN AND JUST AS COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ MENTIONED, OR POSSIBILITY FOR CHARGING STATIONS, TO ME, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO USE INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY.

IN FACT, THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT POINT.

THE FACT THAT IN A MUCH QUICKER PROCESS, THE CITY OF ARLINGTON JUST APPROVED 20, I THINK KIOSKS AT LEAST A DOZEN AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY'RE EXTREMELY EXCITED BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLACES THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY APPROPRIATE FOR. WHAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS PEOPLE USING IT FROM THEIR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS AND BEING ABLE TO DO THE LOCAL WAYFINDING THAT PROMOTES SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. THAT TO ME IS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, BUT WE TALK ABOUT BEING THE BIG CITY IN THE REGION.

AND MEANWHILE WE LOOK AT HOW ALL OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES KEEP GETTING MISSED BY THE BIG CITY AND GO INTO OUR SUBURBS.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

IT'S CRAZY.

I MEAN, I WE ARE DALLAS, THAT'S THAT'S ARLINGTON.

AND IF ARLINGTON HAS A PLACE FOR THESE, YOU BETTER BELIEVE DALLAS HAS A PLACE FOR THESE.

NOW, DO YOU THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DUE DILIGENCE IN WHERE THESE PLACES THESE PLACEMENTS GO? ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T THINK THAT IT SERVES ANYONE.

IN FACT, LAST WEEK I WAS IN TEMPE AND IN ATLANTA FOR TWO HOUSING DIFFERENT SUMMITS.

BOTH CITIES ACTUALLY HAVE THEM AND THEY WERE WHERE WALKABLE WITH WHERE I WAS IN.

SO I CHOSE TO GO IN AND TALK TO SOME BUSINESS OWNERS.

AND I HEARD SEVERAL MANAGEMENT THAT WERE, THAT WERE EXTREMELY SKEPTICAL ABOUT THEM THINKING THEY WERE GOING TO BE THE NEXT VANDALIZED THING OUTSIDE OF THEIR FRONT DOOR. THINKING THESE HORROR STORIES THAT I'VE HEARD THAT ARE ALSO DISINGENUOUS ABOUT WHAT THEY DO TO PROPERTY VALUES, WHICH I KNOW ARE UNFOUNDED.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR Y'ALL TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT THE SKEPTICISM WAS ALL COMBAT WITH THE REALITY THAT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN EXTREMELY WELCOMED.

THEY'VE HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VENDOR.

THEY'VE HAD OPEN LINES OF COMMUNICATION WHEN THERE NEEDS TO HAVE MAINTENANCE ON THEM, AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY BELIEVED THERE TO BE MORE OF A BENEFIT THAN GOOD.

WHENEVER PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE COME IN AND SAID THAT THEY CAME BECAUSE THEY SAW IT ON A PARTICULAR WAYFINDER IN THE AREA.

AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO DISTRICT SEVEN BUSINESSES, IF PEOPLE WERE LEAVING THE STATE FAIR OF TEXAS AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT GOING AND EATING AT A SMALL BUSINESS AT BLACK JACK PIZZA.

MAYOR THAT I KNOW YOU LOVE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO SHOW UP IN THE ALGORITHM OF THEIR GOOGLE SEARCH OF WHERE TO EAT WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING, BECAUSE BLACK JACK PIZZA IS NOT PAYING FOR ADVERTISEMENTS.

SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BENEFIT THAT THIS HAS TO OUR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND WHAT THIS DOES TO EQUITY IN BRINGING IN TECHNOLOGY IN OUR CITY.

AND I AM IN FULL SUPPORT, JUST AS I MENTIONED IN THE LAST TIME THAT WE'VE THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS, BUT I'VE DONE MY HOMEWORK AND I ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THE SAME.

I'VE TALKED TO HOTELIERS AS A BOARD MEMBER FROM ON VISIT DALLAS AND HOTELIERS WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.

AND I ASKED THEM WHAT CITIES THEY'VE TALKED TO AND ALMOST.

UNANIMOUSLY. NO ONE HAS DONE ANY HOMEWORK, SO I JUST ASK THAT WE LOOK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO WHAT IS BEING OPPOSED.

AND INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING A RESISTANCE OF CHANGE AND JUST OPPOSITION TO OPPOSE THAT, WE START DIGGING INTO WHERE THE OPPOSITION LIES AND FIGURING OUT HOW US AS POLICY MAKERS, CAN GOVERN WITH A PURPOSE AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND STILL BRING SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN GRACIE, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM D, EVERYONE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I'LL MAKE THIS REAL QUICK.

JUST FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.

THIS IS NO COST TO THE CITY, CORRECT? NO COST TO THE CITY.

SO. JUST AND AND AND IT'S REVENUE GENERATION FOR THE CITY, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THE ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PERHAPS SOMEHOW RESTRICT THE REVENUE

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TO PERHAPS PEDESTRIAN TYPE PROJECTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT? WHERE DOES THAT REVENUE GO? I GUESS WE'LL START THERE.

WELL, AGAIN, I GUESS AS DOCTOR PEREZ MENTIONED, IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHERE THE REVENUE GOES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT.

SO THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS I WANT TO HAVE PUBLICLY.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT BUT FOR ME.

THESE KIOSKS ARE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THEM IN OTHER CITIES.

YOU SEE THAT WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING DOWNTOWN AND AROUND THE CITY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HELP BUT TO BE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND THINK THAT THESE WOULD BE JUST AN ADDED BENEFIT TO MAKE THAT DALLAS EXPERIENCE SO MUCH BETTER.

SO I'LL SAY THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THESE AND IN SUPPORT OF THEM AND CONFIDENT THAT I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO FIND PLACEMENTS OF THESE THINGS.

AND I THINK JUST THE OTHER QUESTION, AS FAR AS THE PLACEMENT.

THE PLACEMENTS WOULD TECHNICALLY BE ON CITY PROPERTY, CORRECT? JUST ASKING CLARIFICATION.

YES SIR. IT WILL BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. AND THAT'S IT. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

SO REVENUE NO COST TO THE CITY.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE BENEFITS FROM THE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, BENEFITS TO THE BUSINESSES AND ALL OF THAT.

SO REALLY THE PIECE THAT WE'RE MISSING IS JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH THIS PLAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WORK ON.

AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THAT.

BUT FROM A PROCUREMENT PERSPECTIVE, YOU REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT UNTIL YOU SEE THE PROPOSALS.

IS THAT JUST KIND OF A ANOTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION I'M GETTING FROM YOU? YES, SIR. AND AS AS THE CITY MANAGER HAS MENTIONED, WE'LL TAKE AS LONG AS WE NEED TO TO GET IT RIGHT, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IT'S A WIN WIN AS BEST POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY.

WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN.

IT'S A SEVERAL WINNING OPPORTUNITIES WITH THIS IF WE YOU SIR THINK THROUGH IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN MORENO.

YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

AND I DID FIND THE QUESTION TO MY ANSWER ON PAGE SEVEN ON HOW MANY MEETINGS AND STAKEHOLDERS WERE ENGAGED.

I DO WANT TO PICK UP ON MISS MIDDLETON'S QUESTION ABOUT SIDEWALKS.

HOW DO WE MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO SIDEWALKS? IS THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BORING SO THAT WE'RE NOT TEARING UP AN ENTIRE SIDEWALK AND GOING UNDERGROUND WHEN WE'RE GETTING POWER TO THESE KIOSKS? THAT WILL BE THE MEANS AND METHOD FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO INSTALL IT.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN DICTATE THAT.

WHAT WE CAN DICTATE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY RESTORE THE SIDEWALK TO THE STANDARD THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTENANCE.

IF THERE IS, I GUESS THE, THE VENDOR, IF THEY'RE OUT OF TOWN, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT? THESE KIOSKS GET CLEANED IN A TIMELY MANNER.

AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE COMPLIANCE IS HAPPENING? IS THERE SOMEONE LOCALLY THAT'S DOING THAT, OR IS THAT SOMEONE COMING IN FROM OUT OF STATE TO ADDRESS THAT? WE ASKED THIS, ACTUALLY FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO SEE WHAT WHAT ARE THEIR TAKE ON THAT ONE? AND SO FAR, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING THAT'S SAYING THEY DIDN'T MAINTAIN IT IF THEY NEEDED.

I THINK IN OUR RFP, WE HAD 48 HOURS OF WINDOW FOR MAINTENANCE.

AND FOR THE NEW ONE, WE I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO STAY WITH THE SAME TIME FRAME FOR THEM TO ADDRESS THE MAINTENANCE.

OKAY. ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS VEHICULAR DISTRACTIONS.

AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU MENTIONED THE TRIANGLE VISIBILITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THESE IN AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OBSTRUCTING TO TO THE DRIVER.

I'M GOING TO GO TO THE REVENUE SHARE NOW OR FIRST I'LL START WITH WHERE THE REVENUE IS GOING.

AND I HEARD THAT THAT CAN GO THAT IT'S TO THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, WHETHER IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND OR WHETHER IT GETS CONCENTRATED TO A LINE ITEM WITH THE GENERAL FUND TO PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS OR MAKING AREAS SAFER FOR, FOR WALKABILITY.

IS THERE PRACTICES WHERE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE SHARED REVENUE WITH THEIR, THEIR PIDS? WE ARE NOT AWARE OF IT AT THIS POINT, OR WE CAN SEARCH AND GET BACK WITH YOU.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PRIVACY QUESTIONS.

I PULLED UP THE IHC WEBSITE, AND UNDER USER INFORMATION COLLECTED BY A KIOSK, IT SAYS THE KIOSK WILL COLLECT INFORMATION ON EACH USER'S INTERACTIONS WITH THE KIOSK, SUCH AS THE FEATURES, SERVICES AND INFORMATION ARE MOST OFTEN USED AND HOW THEY WERE USED SO THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE KIOSK PLATFORM AND YOUR

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EXPERIENCE WITH THE KIOSK.

WE MAY SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITHOUT RESTRICTION WITH THE CITY WHERE THE KIOSK IS LOCATED AND ITS AGENCIES VISIT BERKELEY AND OUR TECHNOLOGY PARTNERS, BLAH BLAH.

SO I THINK YOU TOLD ME YOU'RE NOT COLLECTING INFORMATION.

I THINK JACOB WAS REFERRING TO THE CAMERA, THE SAFETY CAMERA THAT WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL ON THE DIGITAL KIOSK.

IN ORDER TO. THIS WAS NOT ABOUT THE CAMERA.

WHAT? JACOB SAID THE CAMERA SEPARATELY.

RIGHT? SO WHAT INFORMATION ARE YOU COLLECTING EXACTLY? YOU'RE ONLY COLLECTING HOW MANY APPS? THEY. HOW LONG? THEY'RE AT THE KIOSK, HOW MANY DIFFERENT APPS THEY VISITED AND WHAT THEY DID.

THEY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO THE CITY AND OUR AGENCIES ONLY.

NO, NO THIRD PARTY.

THEY DON'T SELL ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION.

AND WHEN YOU READ THAT, IF YOU READ THAT AGAIN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.

IS THE LOG IN OR ANYTHING.

MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MANUAL, IN ADDITION TO EXPECTING IT TO BE A VERY WIDE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS.

NUMBER TWO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DATA THAT IT'S ALSO A HIGH PEDESTRIAN AREA.

IS THAT TRUE? YOU'RE GOING TO REQUIRE IT TO BE A HIGH PEDESTRIAN AREA.

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE REQUIRE.

THIS IS THE MARKET THAT THEY.

BECAUSE THAT'S FOR PROFIT.

VENDORS, OF COURSE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE INTENTION IS TO PROVIDE IT IN THE WHERE THE WE HAVE A HIGH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

YOU KNOW, I SADLY GAVE EXAMPLES OF WHO WOULD BE DECIDING LOCATION.

WOULD IT BE STAFF, WOULD IT BE CITY COUNCIL, WOULD IT BE ADVOCACY GROUPS OR BUSINESS GROUPS? BUT THE ANSWER IS THE VENDOR.

THE VENDOR IS GOING TO MAKE ALL THESE DECISIONS.

WELL, THE VENDOR CAN SELECT A LOCATION.

BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT IF WE DO ESTABLISH THE GUIDELINE, WHAT WHAT LOCATIONS WILL BE SELECTED THAT SHOULD ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE.

SO THAT GUIDELINE SHOULD BE A VERY WIDE SIDEWALK, HIGH PEDESTRIAN AREA.

AND NUMBER THREE, NO INTERSECTIONS THAT INCLUDE HIGH INJURY NETWORK.

THAT'S PART OF OUR VISION ZERO.

ARE YOU GOING TO INCLUDE THAT? IF THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF VISION ZERO THEN THAT WILL BE PART OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH.

SO IN THE RFP YOU SAID IT'S A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.

HOW LONG WAS THE RENEWAL? NOBODY KNEW. WHAT WE PUT WAS A ONE YEAR RENEWALS UP TO TEN TIMES, SO 15 YEARS MAXIMUM, BUT EACH YEAR WOULD BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY.

IT DIDN'T SAY A TEN YEAR RENEWAL.

POINT OF ORDER, MR. MAYOR. WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS RFP AGAIN.

I'LL SUSTAIN IT.

MY CONCERN IS THAT ANY RENEWAL SHOULD BE FOR A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME THAN THE INITIAL TIME FRAME, BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY WILL AGE OUT PROBABLY BEFORE THE FIVE YEARS IS EVEN OVER. THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE FOR YOU IS HOW DID YOU PREDICT THE REVENUE? AGAIN AT THIS POINT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY THEY'RE GOING TO INSTALL, WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS MODEL WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE AS A PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL.

SO WE CANNOT PREDICT ANY REVENUE AT THIS TIME.

SO YOU HAVE NO NUMBER FOR US AT ALL? I DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBER.

YOU ALL HAVE A NUMBER. SO LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME, IT'S TAKEN UP A LOT OF A LOT OF ENERGY HERE.

AND WE HAVE NO IDEA THAT THIS WOULD MEAN ANYTHING TO US.

WELL, THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS AND THEIR REVENUE.

I'M ASSUMING THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THOSE CITIES AND GET THOSE INFORMATION.

BUT FOR US, IT'S A MATTER OF NUMBER OF KIOSKS AND THE MODEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE AS A PROPOSAL.

SO THE NEXT ITEM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS SPECIFICALLY ARLINGTON.

DOES ARLINGTON HAVE THESE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? I'M NOT SURE. I JUST HEARD THAT I THINK 20 KIOSKS WERE AUTHORIZED IN THE CITY OF ARLINGTON.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT AREA IS THAT? ARE THEY ALL IN THEIR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT? I DON'T KNOW, MA'AM.

BUT FOR US, IT WAS ONLY LIMITED TO COMMERCIAL AREA.

AND WOULD YOU CONSIDER A COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL HOME THAT BACKS UP TO A STREET AGAIN? THAT COULD BE PART OF THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH FOR THE PLACEMENT.

SO AGAIN, SOMETHING LIKE COIT ROAD THAT HAS 55,000 CARS PER DAY, BUT THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT BACK UP TO COIT ROAD.

WOULD THEY BE LOOKING AT HAVING ONE OF THESE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS CONSIDERED AS COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS COMMERCIAL BASED ON SOME SORT OF ZONING OR DEFINITION.

BUT AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH ON WHERE THEY SHOULD THESE KIOSKS SHOULD BE INSTALLED.

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I THINK YOU SHOULD ESTABLISH EVERY SINGLE GUIDELINE BEFORE THIS GOES TO AN RFP.

THANK YOU. SORRY, CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

WHAT'S EXCITING ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE COULD ALSO.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD ALSO TAKE THESE KIOSKS INTO MAYBE GARAGES OR PARKING SPACES THAT WE OWN AS A CITY AND MAKE THOSE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS AT THE SAME TIME? IS THAT POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE? SO THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE RFP THAT COMPANIES WHO DO DO THAT, THEY CAN PROPOSE OR SUBMIT A PROPOSAL AS WELL.

YES, SIR. AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT THING, MR. MAYOR, JUST FOR THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR CAP AND WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY PUSH, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A BETTER NETWORK OF ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS AND HAVE THIS NETWORK OUT THERE.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST GETTING REALLY HONED UP ON THE DESIGN AND THE PLACEMENT, WHICH I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THAT WILL BE DONE.

THE CITY MANAGER AND THEIR TEAM HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A WORKING GROUP, SOME A GROUP OF FOLKS THAT CAN PUT TOGETHER THE DESIGN MANUAL, THE PLACEMENT, ALL OF THAT IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE AGAIN.

I'VE ALREADY REFERENCED OUR MICRO MOBILITY WORKING GROUP.

IT WORKED FANTASTIC.

AND THERE'S NO BETTER WAY THAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ACTUAL STAKEHOLDERS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIVING AROUND OR WITH THESE WORKING AROUND WITH THESE HAVE THE GUIDANCE AND I THINK IT'S GREAT.

LET'S GIVE OUR FEEDBACK TO THIS WORKING GROUP AS WELL, FOR THE THINGS THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT SEE AS THINGS THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE AS A, AS A BEGINNING, BECAUSE WE'RE THE COUNCIL. AND SO WE HAVE THAT ABILITY AS WELL TO OFFER TO OUR STAFF AND OUR TEAM TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING GETS PUT IN AT THE SAME TIME.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CITY MANAGER IS IF THE REVENUE THAT COMES FROM THESE, FROM THIS PROJECT, IF IT WERE TO PASS, COULD IT BE TIED DIRECTLY TO SOMETHING LIKE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE? AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS SIDEWALKS, ADA COMPLIANCE, BIKE LANE INFRASTRUCTURE, MOVING ONCOR POLLS VISUAL CLUTTER, ETC.

THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WOULD GO TO THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.

COULD, COULD WE TAKE THIS REVENUE AND SAY WE WANT IT TO GO HERE IN ORDER TO AUGMENT THE BUDGET, TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE TAKEN CARE OF? THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ. AND MY ANSWER WOULD BE YES.

THE DECISION ON HOW THE REVENUE IS ACTUALLY EXPENDED AND WHAT IT WOULD BE EARMARKED FOR IS A DECISION OF THIS BODY.

AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL GIVES US THAT INPUT.

AND THEN WE WOULD THEN DEVELOP WHATEVER PROGRAMS, IF THERE ARE NEW INITIATIVES AROUND THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT FUNDING THERE TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT.

SO THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I WAS HOPING THAT WOULD BE SAID, THAT WE COULD AND WE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND ADA COMPLIANCE AND MOVING ONCOR POLES AND ALL THIS, ALL THESE OTHER TYPES OF BIG ISSUES.

AND IT'S LIKE HERE WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR REVENUE SOURCE TO HELP US ACTUALLY DEAL WITH AND WORK WITH THESE ISSUES IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT OF WAYS ARE CLEARED UP AND TAKEN CARE OF. SO FOR THAT IF WE CAN DO THAT AND WE, YOU KNOW, THIS BODY SAYS, YES, LET'S DO THAT.

I'M EVEN MORE IN FAVOR OF PLUS THE GOALS OF C-CAP AND ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR MANY YEARS TO GET A REVENUE SOURCE THAT COULD HELP US AUGMENT WHAT LITTLE BUDGET WE HAVE RIGHT NOW TO MAYBE MORE BUDGET IN ORDER TO DO THESE THINGS.

I THINK IT'S A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE THINGS DONE.