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          OKAY. 
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CAN, UM, ELIANA, CAN YOU START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH DISTRICT ONE. 
          HE IS HERE. 
          DISTRICT TWO ONLINE. 
          ONLINE. 
          COMMISSIONER TON'S. 
          ONLINE. 
          DISTRICT THREE. 
          I'M HERE. 
          DISTRICT FOUR. 
          DISTRICT ONE'S HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DISTRICT FIVE, PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT SIX. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          SHE'S HERE IN THE BACK. 
          DISTRICT NINE. 
          I'M HERE. 
          NINE IS HERE. 
          DISTRICT 10. 
          PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT 11. 
          DISTRICT 12. 
          SHE'S ON THERE. 
          DISTRICT 13 HERE. 
          DISTRICT 14 HERE, ALSO HERE. 
          AND DISTRICT 15. 
          HE'S HERE. 
          THE BACK. 
          OKAY, SIR, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. 
          UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 2ND, 2024, 9:05 AM UH, WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, AS ALWAYS, UH, THIS IS JUST A TIME FOR QUESTIONS. 
          UH, WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR COMMENTS TO THE BRIEF TO THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON. 
          UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, THIS AFTERNOON. 
          THE VERY LAST ITEM, NUMBER 46, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME SPECIAL VISITORS WITH US TODAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT ITEM UP. 
          UH, PROBABLY NOT TO THE VERY TOP, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY NOT AT THE END. 
          UH, SO BE AWARE OF THAT. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, SOME INTERPRETERS COMING IN FOR THREE CASES. 
          SO DEPENDING ON THE TIME, WE MAY HAVE TO MOVE THOSE, THOSE AROUND A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, WE'RE 
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GONNA GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH OUR, OUR BRIEFING, THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          AND WITH THAT, GENTLEMEN, WE'RE READY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, SO TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS GONNA BE CONTINUATION OF OUR LAST WORKSHOP IN APRIL. 
          UH, THERE WERE TWO SECTIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS AND GET YOUR COMMENTS ON. 
          UH, THOSE WERE THE HOUSING AND THE URBAN DESIGN, UH, IMPLEMENTATION SECTIONS. 
          UH, SO BASICALLY JUST GONNA OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION, UH, SUGGESTIONS AND TALK THROUGH, UM, ANY EDITS THAT YOU FEEL SHOULD BE INCORPORATED. 
          UH, WHAT OUR TEAM'S GONNA DO AFTER WE GET ALL THE, THE FEEDBACK FROM TODAY, WE'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPING A PRESENTATION THAT HAS ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL PRESENTED TO US. 
          AND WE'LL COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL AND TALK THROUGH EACH OF THOSE, GET DIRECTION ON WHICH WAY TO GO. 
          AND THEN OUR TEAM WILL UPDATE THE DOCUMENT PER YOUR DIRECTION. 
          SO TODAY IS GONNA BE THE LAST DAY OF GETTING THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE CURRENT PLAN DOCUMENT. 
          AFTER WE GET THAT FEEDBACK, WE'LL PRESENT ALL THE INPUT BACK TO YOU ALL, HAVE YOU ALL PRESENT, UM, HAVE YOU ALL DECIDE, DETERMINE WHERE WE SHOULD GO, UH, FROM A DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WE'LL GO FORWARD, UH, MAKING THOSE CHANGES. 
          SO, SO WITH THAT, UH, IF YOU HAVE THE PDF OR THE PRINTOUT WHERE, AND THE HOUSING, UH, CHOICE AND ACCESS, UM, PART OF THE DOCUMENT, I'M GONNA SHARE THAT JUST FOR REFERENCE FOR THOSE ONLINE. 
          GIMME ONE SECOND. 
          AND JUST LIKE BEFORE, UH, JUST OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSIONS, UH, REGARDING ANY REVIEW OR INPUTS THAT YOU ALL HAD ON THAT PARTICULAR, UM, SPREAD. 
          COMMISSIONER FORSYTH REGARDING ITEM NUMBER TWO, LAWRENCE, UH, CAN YOU, OH, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO MIC, SIR? I'M SORRY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT IS MEANT BY THIS? UH, UH, WHEN I READ THIS, IT, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR ADUS BY RIGHT IN, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          IS IS THAT THE, UH, CORRECT INTERPRETATION OR NOT? NO. 
          SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE, TWO THINGS HAVE HAPPENED. 
          ONE THAT BY RIGHT LANGUAGE WAS CHANGED WITH, UH, CLUB DURING THE LAST REVIEW. 
          AND THEN TWO, THIS SAYS, AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN, UH, INITIATE A, A, A PUBLIC PROCESS TO DISCUSS A DU. 
          SO IT'S MORE BRINGING THAT BACK UP TO THE DISCUSSION TO THE PUBLIC TO HELP DETERMINE WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH ADUS, UM, IN, IN, UH, RESIDENTIAL, IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          CAN YOU READ EXACTLY WHAT THE NEW LANGUAGE IS, PLEASE? SO FOR THOSE ONLINE, IT SAYS, EXPLORE UPDATING DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, TO ACCESSORY TO EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DRILLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY. 
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WELL, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I READ. 
          UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I, I SEE ON THE, ON THE DRAFT THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME. 
          UH, CAN, SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? YEAH. 
          THE, THE, THE FOLKS ONLINE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU, SIR. 
          IF YOU CAN PULL THAT, YOU CAN PULL IT FORWARD IF YOU LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THESE, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT, IT DOESN'T, UH, STATE, UH, UH, THE CURRENT PROCESS REQUIRES ADUS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT? THE YES, COMMISSIONER, RIGHT NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A, SO TAKING A QUICK STEP BACK, UM, BECAUSE A DU IS A TERM THAT SOME PEOPLE KNOW AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUT AN A DU IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, UM, THAT INCLUDES A STRUCTURE THAT IS SEPARATE FROM YOUR HOUSE, THAT HAS A BATHROOM, A KITCHEN, AND A BEDROOM HAS TO HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          NOW, YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND YOU CAN BUILD A STRUCTURE THAT HAS JUST TWO OF THOSE. 
          UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ANY SPECIAL PERMISSION IF IT HAS ALL THREE OF THOSE, YOU HAVE TO GET SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          UM, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE ZONING BOARD OF ADU ADJUSTMENT, IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARD, UM, UH, MADE UP OF APPOINTED INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS FROM THE, FROM, FROM DALLAS. 
          UM, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO AND GET PERMISSION FROM THAT BOARD TO BUILD A STRUCTURE WITH ALL THREE OF THOSE IN THERE. 
          UM, TO BE QUITE HONEST, UM, NOT A LOT OF FOLKS GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS. 
          THERE IS SOME FEE, EXCUSE ME, THERE ARE SOME FEES INVOLVED WITH IT. 
          AND SO MOST FOLKS, AND I SPEAK FROM, UM, WORKING IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MOST FOLKS JUST CHOOSE TO BUILD A STRUCTURE WITH JUST TWO OF THOSE IN THERE, IF THEY DO CHOOSE TO BUILD SOMETHING AND NOT GO THROUGH THAT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, SO NUMBER TWO HERE, IT SAYS, WE NEED TO EXPLORE WHAT THIS PROCESS IS. 
          IS IT WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING OR IS IT NOT WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING? UM, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW THESE BY, RIGHT? BUT IT DOES SAY WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO SAY, WHAT SHOULD ADUS AND STRUCTURES LIKE ADUS LOOK LIKE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? HOW, HOW SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED? HOW SHOULD THEY NOT BE ALLOWED? ARE THERE DESIGN PARAMETERS THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE, UM, THAT WOULD SATISFY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, OR ARE THERE NOT? IT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND THEN TO JUST, I THINK, ADD TO KIND OF WHAT, UH, PATRICK MENTIONED. 
          I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION THAT'S BEHIND YOUR QUESTION, UM, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING TO EXPLORE AND CLARIFY WHAT THIS IS, THIS INTENT IS. 
          SO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTION, JUST ADD NOTES ON HERE, IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN, INITIATE A PUBLIC PROCESS TO DISCUSS, UH, ADUS AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND ESTABLISH UPDATED A DU REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS SCALE, FORM DESIGN, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAYBE ENHANCE THE WAY THAT THIS IS, UH, CURRENTLY WORDED, BECAUSE I THINK JUST, IT'S, IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT VAGUE. 
          SO MAYBE BRINGING THAT MORE DETAIL WOULD HELP WITH ADDRESSING YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR QUESTION. 
          THE, I I THINK THE COMMUNITY CONCERN THOUGH IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN FOLKS READ THIS, THEY, THEY FEEL THAT THIS IS SAYING THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING ADUS BY RIGHT. 
          IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          NOTED. 
          CAN I ALSO ASK YOU TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT IS MEANT BY ITEM NUMBER THREE, EXPLORE THE CREATION OF INFILL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW APPROPRIATE SCALED INFIELD HOUSING AND DESIGNATED AREAS. 
          I MEAN, THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A KIND OF A REPEAT OF THE, UH, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UH, PHRASE OR SENTENCE THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTION THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO, UH, ELIMINATE. 
          SO THAT IS, UH, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          WE GOT MORE THAN 50 OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT NONE OF THEM REALLY CAPTURE WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING MORE OF THAT URBAN INFILL STYLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT, USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU ASK FOR A PD AND YOU COME IN FOR, YOU KNOW, COME BEFORE CPC AND YOU SAY, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GONNA CREATE THIS TYPE OF UNIT KNOW SEVEN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, OR EIGHT UNIT DEVELOPMENT, OR 12 UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH OUR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          IT DOESN'T MATCH OUR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          IT DOESN'T QUITE FIT IN WITH ANY OF THOSE. 
          SO THAT STATEMENT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD EX, LIKE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT CREATING A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT SOMEONE CAN COME IN AND REZONE THEIR PROPERTY TO INSTEAD OF A PD, BUT CREATE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT MATCHES THAT MORE INFILL STYLE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS CURRENTLY. 
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ALSO TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK, UH, A GRAPHIC THAT YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH IS, UH, WHEN YOU SEE ELM THICKET, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT CASE WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THAT OLDER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEWER, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE RIGHT BESIDE EACH OTHER, UM, THE CURRENT, I GUESS, ZONING RIGHT ON ON THERE IS THE SAME, BUT WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT MORE CONTEXTUAL, UM, KIND OF INFILL ZONING STANDARDS THAT HELP WITH THAT, UM, TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU DO KIND OF, WHEN YOU PLOP A NEW, UH, UH, UNIT IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S EXISTING OR, UH, HAS A PARTICULAR SCALE, SOMETHING THAT MATCHES AND, AND, AND STILL WORKS WITH THAT. 
          SO CURRENTLY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, FOUR DALLAS, WE SCRAP THIS, LIKE, THAT'S STILL HAPPENING. 
          SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HOFFER, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON ADUS, UH, WHEN I WAS SERVING ON ZO OAC. 
          WE COVERED ADUS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UH, AND I WANT A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          ONE IS THEY EXIST ALL OVER THE CITY AND, AND THE CITY HAS NO CLUE HOW MANY ARE ALREADY THERE. 
          SO, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I THINK THAT DISCUSSION DIDN'T, DID NOT LEAD TO ANYTHING. 
          I THINK IT WAS SORT OF TABLED. 
          WOULD, WOULD WHAT YOU WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT, WOULD THAT BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT DISCUSSION? A DU? CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          YES, IT'D BE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          COMMISSIONER RUBIN. 
          YEAH. 
          FOLLOWING UP ON NUMBER TWO, THE A DU ITEM WHEN CLUB PASSED OR PASSED ALONG FORWARD DALLAS TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, ITEM NUMBER TWO REFERRED TO A CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW ADUS BY WRIGHT, CORRECT? UH, WITH K CLUB? YES. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT LANGUAGE IS NO LONGER IN THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO TWO THINGS. 
          SO THERE WAS AN INTERIM DRAFT THAT K CLUB HAD THAT SAID THAT THE BY RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, WHEN WE UPDATED THIS IN FEBRUARY, UH, THE CURRENT DRAFT DOCUMENT SAYS EXPLORE UPDATING, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UH, AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          SO THE BY RIGHT WAS REMOVED WHEN IT WAS, UH, UPDATED IN FEBRUARY. 
          YEAH. 
          A AFTER CLUB PASSED IT ALONG SO THAT THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE BY STAFF AT THIS POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO AS COMMISSIONER HALL REFERENCED, THERE IS A PENDING ZO OAC PROCEEDING RELATING TO ADUS, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND I ASSUME THAT, THAT IT PREDATED MY TIME ON ZO OAC, BUT THAT PENDING ZO OAC PROCEEDING COULD DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF CONTEXT SENSITIVE ADU. 
          IT MAY BE BY RIGHT, WITH DESIGN STANDARDS, IT MAY BE SOME OTHER SORT OF MECHANISM THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH YET SINCE I WASN'T DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          BUT THE IMPORTANT TAKEAWAY IS THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FACILITATING ADU IS A, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING KIND OF ON A, NOT A PARALLEL PATH, BUT LAGGING BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THIS DOCUMENT. 
          SO WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH RESPECT TO ADUS WILL GO THROUGH THE FULL CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE TALK ABOUT THE CREATION OF IT AND INFILL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          I WONDER IF WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT SUGGESTING RESIDENTIAL INFILL, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, PLURAL. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTIONS, AND I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SAME INFILL, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT MAKES THE SAME SENSE IN, IN EVERY CONTEXT. 
          SO MAYBE I, I DON'T KNOW A NUMBER, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, LARGER INFILL PROJECTS THAT WE SEE THAT COME TO US, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE ON A SIDE OF AN ACRE OR HALF AN ACRE. 
          THEN THERE ARE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, INFILL PROPOSALS THAT WE SEE FOR A SINGLE LOT. 
          AND THOSE SEEM TO PRESENT SOME DISTINCT IN SOME WAYS AND SIMILAR IN OTHER WAYS ISSUES. 
          BUT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY LIMIT OUR INFILL DISTRICTS TO ONE, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE. 
          NOTED. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S LAST POINT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS I WAS GONNA RAISE. 
          I'VE BEEN NOODLING AROUND THOSE ISSUES MYSELF. 
          AND THEN ON THE TOP OF, OF ADUS, UM, I, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY, WHILE THERE IS A VOCAL MINORITY THAT IS OPPOSED TO THEM, THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THEM. 
          SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING ANY REFERENCE TO DISCUSSIONS OF ADUS OUTTA THE PLAN. 
          UM, IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE INCORPORATED THEM, UM, MOST CITIES HAVE GONE BACK AND RELAXED LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO PROMOTE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE 
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A PROVEN CONCEPT AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD THE ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES THAT THE NAYSAYERS SEEM TO TOTE. 
          SO, UM, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING THAT OUT OF THE PLAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ONE QUICK LITTLE ITEM, UH, GENTLEMEN, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING US ONLINE. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USE. 
          SO IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THIS A DU PIECE, UH, AS YOU KNOW, I, I'VE ATTENDED LOTS OF THESE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND, UH, OCCASIONALLY WE SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAGIC FLYER. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THERE'S, THERE'S A MOVEMENT THERE TO SCARE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE A DU PIECE. 
          IF THERE ARE NO EDITS TO THE, THE A DU LINE ITEM HERE, AND IT IS PASSED BY THIS BODY, RIGHT, DOES THAT RESULT IN ADUS BEING ALLOWED? NO. 
          NOW, IF, IF CITY COUNCIL THEN ADOPTS THIS LANGUAGE WITHOUT AN EDIT, DOES THAT ALLOW ADUS BY, RIGHT? NO, SIR. 
          DOES THAT EVEN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF ALLOWING ADUS BY, RIGHT. 
          NO, SIR. 
          WHY NOT? BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BEGIN, UH, WITH STAFF AND THIS BODY BEING ABLE TO INITIATE THAT AND THEN MOVING THROUGH, UH, THE CORRECT BOARDS TO DISCUSS, APPROVE, AND THEN MOVE IT UP TO COUNCIL EVENTUALLY. 
          AND, AND DOES THAT PROCESS ALLOW FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND DISCUSSION? AND, AND DOES IT TAKE TO TEND TO TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GROSSLY MISLEADING FLYER, DOES THE ALLOWANCE OF ADUS CREATE DUPLEX ZONING IN ALL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS? NO, MA'AM. 
          EXCELLENT POINT. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          MR. CHAIR? OH, PARDON ME. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE MY GLASSES. 
          I DIDN'T SEE, YOU'RE PROBABLY WAVING AT ME, PLEASE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S WHY I SPOKE UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST, TWO QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA ASK THIS ON ITEM TWO. 
          AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADUS, THE FOCUS SEEMS TO BE ON THE WORD ALLOW IS, IS WHAT I WOULD TAKE AWAY. 
          NOT THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING THE CONVERSATION, NOT THAT WE'RE NOT EXPLORING WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AS WE'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS. 
          IS THERE A WORD OTHER THAN ALLOW THAT WOULD PERHAPS BRIDGE THIS GAP THAT SAYS WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE EXPLORING THIS, BUT ALLOW, CERTAINLY SEEMS ON THE PROACTIVE SIDE, AND I THINK THAT MAY BE GIVEN, UM, SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY PAUSE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT THAT ALTERNATE WORD IS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO BRIDGE THE, THE CONVERSATION. 
          UM, I'M JUST MAKING TWO STATEMENTS 'CAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE ANSWERS I, WELL, ONE, I DO HAVE AN ANSWER ON ITEM THREE WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE CREATION OF, UM, INFILL ROAD, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          MY QUESTION WOULD BE, SHOULDN'T THAT BE ALTERNATIVE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL. 
          AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK WE WOULD WANNA BE MORE BROAD IN HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS. 
          AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING TYPES AND, UM, THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE NATION THAT ARE IN OUR CITY TODAY THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY DEFINED VERY WELL IN OUR CODE. 
          SO IT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT I, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP EVEN FURTHER EXPAND THE CONVERSATION AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE, THOSE HOUSING CHOICES MIGHT BE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AS CHAIR RUBIN. 
          YEAH, I, I HEAR COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S POINTS ABOUT ALLOW, AND HOW THAT MAY LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS SOME PEOPLE SEEING THIS AS A SHADOW BY RIGHT LANGUAGE MAYBE FACILITATE. 
          BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ADUS AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID, ARE A REALLY IMPORTANT TOOL IN OUR, YOU KNOW, HOUSING CHOICES TOOLBOX. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING PROCESS THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DOES COME THROUGH SOME CRITICISM. 
          SO I THINK FACILITATE SAYS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE STATUS QUO AND SEE HOW WE CAN DEPART FROM IT, POTENTIALLY IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY. 
          UM, BUT ALSO DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST THAT WE'RE JUST SAYING BUY RIDE IS ABSOLUTELY THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO GO HERE. 
          IT'S A CONSIDERATION, BUT IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OPTION I WOULD THINK. 
          NOTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUICK QUESTION. 
          UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE GOAL THERE ON NUMBER THREE, EXPLORE THE CREATION OF, OF INFIELD, RESIDENTIAL, ET CETERA? WHAT, WHAT IS THE GOAL THERE? IT'S TO CREATE AN OPTION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A THOUSAND MORE PDS. 
          UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO A 
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COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND DEVELOP ADDITIONAL HOUSING, UM, YOU'RE EITHER GONNA BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OR A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          AND THOSE ARE REALLY OUR TWO OPTIONS. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE THAT IS THAT, THAT THAT'S THERE. 
          AND SO IT'S THE INTENT TO SAY, OKAY, WE NEED A ZONING DISTRICT OR A COUPLE OF ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD, YOU COULD STRAIGHT ZONE IT AND YOU NOT HAVE TO CREATE, UH, MORE WORK FOR, FOR RYAN'S TEAM. 
          SO I, I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, AND I, RYAN MAY TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD A CASE IN, IN DISTRICT FIVE, I THINK LATE LAST YEAR, UH, THAT, UH, WAS IN A KIND OF A LARGE LOT. 
          ONE SIDE OF THE STREET WAS SINGLE FAMILY, THE OTHER SIDE WAS TOWN HOMES, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, HAD THE CORNER LOT ON THE SIDE OF THE TOWN. 
          HOMES WANTED TO BUILD MORE TOWN HOMES, COMMUNITY EMBRACED IT. 
          SO NO OPPOSITION, BUT WE COULDN'T DO THE ZONING. 
          WE HAD TO PUT HIM IN, I THINK, AN MF SOMETHING WITH, YOU KNOW, A LONG LIST OF DEED RESTRICTIONS TO GET HIM WHERE HE NEEDED TO GO ON A PROJECT TO BUILD TOWN HOMES ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WITH OTHER TOWN HOMES. 
          WHEN I READ NUMBER THREE, THAT TO ME, SPEAKS ABOUT WHAT THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA PICK THIS, THE, THE OBJECT OF THIS TO ME IS NOT TO BREAK A, A SINGLE FAMILY STREET AND PUT IN A, YOU KNOW, A TOWN HOME RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          WHAT THIS SAYS TO ME IS THAT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE FUTURE THINKING HERE AND THINK ABOUT THE, THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, AND HOPEFULLY STAY AWAY FROM HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, DO, UH, YOU KNOW, TANGLE OURSELVES UP DEED RESTRICTIONS IN ORDER TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR AN APPLICANT. 
          UH, UM, SOMEONE HAS ALREADY, FOR IN NUMBER THREE, MOST CASES, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GOING TO PROPOSE A ZONING CHANGE. 
          IT'S, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT MEETS WHAT THAT COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE. 
          AND SO IT'S CREATING A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS, YES, WE WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS TYPE OF DENSITY AND THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S REFLECTED OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN ALSO SOME MORE CONTEXT. 
          SO 2006 FOR DALLAS AT THAT TIME, SUGGESTED A CODE ZONING UPDATE TO HAPPEN RIGHT AFTER THAT. 
          UH, 20 PLUS YEARS LATER, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ONE. 
          UH, SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A UPDATE TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU WANNA FOLLOW THAT UP PRETTY QUICKLY WITH A, A ZONING CODE UPDATE. 
          SO, UH, LUCKILY WE'RE ALSO INITIATING THAT PROCESS NOW TO HOPEFULLY, UH, CONTINUE, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW WITH, UH, THE MORE NUANCED DETAILS WITH HOW IS THIS GONNA GET APPLIED? SO AS WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSIONS, AGAIN, THIS PLAN IS NOT GONNA CHANGE OR, OR TWEAK THAT, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE APPLY THAT, UH, UH, MOVING FORWARD AFTER THIS PLAN. 
          UH, BECAUSE LIKE, UH, PATRICK MENTIONED PDS AND ALL THESE OTHER TOOLS, OR BASICALLY, UH, WE'RE USING WHAT WE HAVE TO, TO KIND OF RESPOND TO THE MARKET. 
          WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR CODE TO RESPOND TO THAT BETTER. 
          SO IT'S MORE PREDICTABLE, EASIER TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE PDS, IT'S UNCLEAR. 
          IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FROM THAT PRODUCT UNLESS YOU ARE IN THAT PROCESS. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING, UH, IS UPDATED TO PROVIDE A SUITE OF OPTIONS, UH, WITH WHAT THE MARKET AND THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE. 
          AND, UH, COMMISSIONER BLA, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, JUST ONE, ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, UH, AND AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE USING, UH, LANGUAGE, UH, THAT IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. 
          DOES, DOES ITEM NUMBER THREE CREATE ZONING? DOES IT CREATE INFIELD ZONING? NO, IT DOESN'T. 
          HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN IF THIS PASSES AND COUNCIL PASSES, WHAT IS WRITTEN THERE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? DOES THAT CREATE INFIELD ZONING? IT DOES NOT. 
          HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN? SO, A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD HAPPEN THROUGH ZAC AND CPC AND CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD NOT REZONE ANY PROPERTY. 
          TO BE CLEAR, THAT FIRST PUBLIC PROCESS WOULD NOT REZONE ANY PUBLIC, ANY PROPERTY TO THAT INFO ZONING DISTRICT. 
          YOU WOULD CREATE THAT ZONING DISTRICT, THEN OTHER PUBLIC PROCESSES WOULD HAPPEN FOR PA SITE PACIFIC OR COMMUNITY PACIFIC LOCATIONS TO THEN REZONE A PROPERTY FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD, AGAIN, GROW THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, GO THROUGH CPC AND WOULD BE A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS IF CITY COUNCIL PASSES THIS, THIS UPDATE WITH THIS LANGUAGE INCLUDED, DOES THAT INITIATE THE PROCESS? IT DOES NOT. 
          IT DOES NOT. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR WELL, YOU TOOK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS AWAY FROM ME, SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN RESTATE SOME OF THEM. 
          UM, AND NUMBER THREE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS A NEED, A NEW NEED THAT HAS BEEN, I IDENTIFIED IN FOR 
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DALLAS, BUT THIS IS BEEN SINCE, FOR DALLAS, IS JUST A LAND USE PROCESS AND NOT A ZONING CHANGE PROCESS, THAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS A WISHLIST, IF YOU WILL. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND THAT YOU ARE, THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS ITEM IS IDENTIFYING, UM, A NEED THAT DOES NOT EXIST AND THAT THERE IS NO ZONING AT THIS CURRENT, CURRENT TIME IN ORDER TO ANSWER THAT NEED? CORRECT. 
          SO IF THIS IS JUST A LAND USED ITEM AND NOT A ZONING ITEM, AND I FORGOT MINE, SO, UM, I, AND I DEFINITELY CAN'T SEE THERE NOR THERE. 
          . 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OH, WOW. 
          , YEAH. 
          UM, NO, I GOT THEM. 
          . 
          UM, YOU WANT TO EXPLORE THE CREATION NOT TO CREATE, CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HERBERT. 
          YES. 
          SO FOR OUR VISUAL LEARNERS IN THE ROOM, UM, NOW ME, UM, THE, WE HAVE A BLOCK, UM, THERE ARE TWO HOUSES, THREE HOUSES, ONE ON THE END, ONE IN THE MIDDLE, ONE ON THE VERY END IN BETWEEN OR LOTS. 
          UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE DISTRICT, THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBER COMES IN AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S MAKE THIS AN INFIELD DISTRICT. 
          UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO KIND OF REGULATE MORE WHAT GOES IN THOSE LOTS. 
          SO IN THAT EXAMPLE, UM, SOMEONE WOULD COME IN AND SAY, WELL, IT'S ZONED FOR, UH, WHATEVER IT IS ZONED TODAY. 
          UM, I WANNA CHANGE THAT ZONING, BUT WHAT I WANT TO BUILD, I CAN'T DO THAT WITH ANY OF THE BASE ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          AND SO THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, I'D LIKE IT TO BE TH THREE, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN DO THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER THING, OR I WANT IT TO BE MF TWO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BUILD 36 UNITS. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO BUILD FOUR, BUT I CAN'T MAKE IT WORK BECAUSE OF PARKING REQUIREMENT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD SAY, HERE'S A BASE ZONING DISTRICT WHERE WE CAN SAY, OH YEAH, THIS MATCHES, YOU KNOW, UM, THESE TYPES OF COMMUNITIES. 
          AND IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY, BUT IT'S A PRODUCT THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE GOOD WITH. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND REVIEW THIS CASE. 
          BUT AS OPPOSED TO CREATING PD 1,314, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, A INFILL DIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE AN ID DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, ID THREE OR SOMETHING, OR ID TWO OR ID ONE BASED UPON EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND I WANT, YEAH, I WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS THERE. 
          THERE'S TWO THINGS I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF CONFOUNDING. 
          THERE'S A CREATION, THE CREATION OF THOSE DISTRICTS, AND APPLYING THOSE DISTRICTS IN, IN YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN, EXCUSE ME, YOU CAN CREATE MORE DISTRICTS, MORE, MORE SUITES OF ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S CREATED DOESN'T MEAN IT'S APPLIED IN A PARTICULAR PROCESS. 
          YOU STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PUBLIC PROCESS OF MAYBE TAKING THAT NEW, UH, ZONING DISTRICT THAT WAS CREATED, THAT FULFILLS WHAT THE DESIRE IS, AND THEN OF TRYING TO APPLY THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH, UH, IN THE CITY. 
          SO THERE'S DEFINITELY CREATION OF THE DISTRICT AND THE APPLICATION OF IT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE CREATION OF THE, THE CONVERSATION AROUND CREATIONS OF DISTRICTS. 
          SO THANK YOU, MR. FORSIGHT. 
          PLEASE. 
          SO, UH, LISTENING TO YOU, IT SOUNDS THEN THIS INFILL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIPLEXES, UH, SOMETHING BETWEEN, UH, UH, TOWN HOMES AND, AND, AND, AND MULTIFAMILY, LIKE, LIKE A QUADPLEX WELL, IT, IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT'S BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSE AND A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          THAT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GOOD ZONING DISTRICTS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THESE CASES THAT COME UP WHERE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW THEM. 
          AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A PD OR SOME AMENDMENTS, UH, OR SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED. 
          UM, AND THERE ALSO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THAT BASE ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE THOSE OPTIONS FOR THAT REZONING FOR DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          AND I THINK TO, TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK THE SUGGESTION ABOUT CHANGING THIS TO DISTRICTS COULD, COULD HELP. 
          UH, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN, IN, IN THE CITY. 
          UH, SOME THEY JUST SINGLE FAMILY ONLY IN TERMS OF, UH, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, 7.5, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          OTHERS HAVE A MIXTURE OF 
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THAT THERE. 
          SO IF YOU PROVIDE MORE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CITY, YOU CAN CHOOSE MORE OPTIONS TO KIND OF INFILL IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT MAKES MORE SENSE IN TERMS OF THE CONTEXT THAT YOU'RE IN. 
          SO I THINK THE, THE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE LOOKING AT, LIKE, LIKE PATRICK MENTIONED, IT'LL BE A SUITE IN BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY ONLY AND AN APARTMENT COMPLEX TO PROVIDE A MORE ROBUST SUITE OF OPTIONS THAT APPLY BETTER TO YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT THROUGH PDS EVERY TIME, UM, YOU COME TO THE CITY, AND, AND AGAIN, TO, TO FOLLOW UP ON, UH, WHAT MR. GOOSE SAID A A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THAT WE, IT'S TWO PROCESSES. 
          ONE, IT CREATES THOSE OPTIONS, BUT CREATING THOSE OPTIONS DOESN'T REZONE ANY PROPERTY. 
          BUT WE JUST CREATE THOSE OPTIONS FOR SOMEONE TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY. 
          SO YOU SAY, THESE ARE THESE OPTIONS THAT MIGHT WORK. 
          AND THEN IN A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS, A A, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER COULD PROPOSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE ZONING. 
          IT'S JUST SAYING, HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE BETTER THAN THE OPTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ALSO, PIGGY BACK AGAIN, WHAT YOU SAID, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CLEAR PREDICTABILITY AS TO WHAT'S BEING APPLIED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO WHEN YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS, MORE SUITES THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, OKAY, THIS IS THE OPTION THAT'S GONNA FALL IN MY DISTRICT. 
          THEY'RE MORE UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE. 
          WHEN YOU CREATE A PD, NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO READ A PD DOCUMENT, UM, AND, AND JUST GO INTO THE DETAILS. 
          AND THAT PROVIDES OR PRESENTS AN OP, UH, AN ISSUE IN TERMS OF PREDICTABILITY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER WHO'S COMING IN WHO HAS TO CREATE IT FROM SCRATCH. 
          SO THOSE ADDITIONAL, UH, SUITE OF OPTIONS TO HELP BOTH DEVELOPERS AND THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THEIR AREA. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH MAKES THE POINT THAT THESE, YOU KNOW, INFILL POTENTIAL INFILL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WOULD ADD DENSITY INTO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT WE REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY. 
          AND I THINK IT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKEN TWO, ADD A REFERENCE TO DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          AND IN NUMBER THREE, WE ALREADY SAY APPROPRIATELY SCALED BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT THESE INFILL DISTRICTS MAY, MIGHT END UP DOING IS SORT OF MAKING A TRADE OFF. 
          ON ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF DENSITY INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT GET THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE IN SOME OF OUR EXISTING DISTRICTS TODAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, FURTHER HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, THERE MAY BE FURTHER LOT COVERAGE LIMITATIONS THAT ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF THIS IN INFILL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          YOU KNOW, IT, UH, IT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          UM, I, I WOULD SAY, UM, WORKING ON THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN, UM, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THERE SAID, UM, THAT THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY AGAINST DUPLEXES, BUT THE TYPES OF DUPLEXES THAT WERE BEING BUILT WEREN'T THE ONES THAT THEY LIKED. 
          UM, AND SO THEY SAID, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA REZONE PROPERTY TO A DUPLEX, WE WANT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THEY'VE WORKED ON, UM, PORCHES IN THE FRONT, GARAGES IN THE BACK TWO STORIES AND HEIGHTEN A PITCHED ROOF, ARE THE DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          THEY SAY, OKAY, IF YOU CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO A BASE ZONING DISTRICT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO SAY YES, GO AHEAD AND REZONE THOSE PROPERTIES TO THAT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT WE CAN ADD TO NUMBER THREE TO, UM, GIVE THOSE, UM, ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS MORE CONTEXT SENSITIVITY. 
          I'M GONNA, UH, DIG DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UH, PATRICK INTO SOMETHING YOU SAID. 
          UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, MY APOLOGIES TO KEEP BRINGING IT DOWN TO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THESE, THESE MAGIC FLYERS THAT WE KEEP SEEING, UH, TEND TO KIND OF GRAB THE LANGUAGE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPEAK IN A LANGUAGE THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT AND WE, WHAT REALLY IS THE SUBTEXT THAT IS UNSPOKEN? AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT OPENS UP THE DOORS FOR THESE FOLKS TO, TO TAKE WHAT WE DO AND WHAT THIS PLAN IS SAYING AND, AND PLANNING TO DO AND KIND OF DISTORT IT. 
          UH, SO ITEM NUMBER THREE AGAIN, UH, IS, IS THAT A PARADIGM CHANGE? WHAT, WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS THERE IS IS THAT, UH, NOT IN FACT WHAT WE DO HERE EVERY TWO WEEKS. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE THAT STATEMENT, BUT YES. 
          A A NUMBER OF PRIVATE ZONING APPLICATIONS COME TO CPC EVERY TWO WEEKS WHERE THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO REZONE PROPERTY AND THEY ARE TRYING TO REZONE IT FOR A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT DOES NOT EXIST. 
          SO THEY CREATE A PD TO THEN MATCH WHAT THEY HAVE COME MANY TIMES WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT A TYPE OF HOUSING PRODUCT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, TO CREATE. 
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OKAY. 
          SO, SO THEN I WILL STATE, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU A, A DECADE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE. 
          I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN HUNDREDS OF CASES. 
          EV EVERY PLAN COMMISSIONER THAT I'VE EVER, YOU KNOW, WORKED WITH, HAS HAD A, A CASE WHERE THEY NEEDED, YOU KNOW, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT GOT OVERLY COMPLICATED TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED, WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTED, AND EVENTUALLY WHAT EIGHT OF US OR MORE AGREED TO DO. 
          AND ALL NUMBER THREE IS SAYING TO ME IS, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE KEEP DOING THIS TO OURSELVES? UH, LET'S CREATE A TOOL. 
          AND PATRICK, TO WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, DOES THAT TOOL, IF IT'S CREATED SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY CHANGE THE ZONING? NO. 
          CHAIR DOES NOT. 
          SO IF THIS TOOL IS CREATED, THEY'RE, AND SOMEONE HAS A BASE ZONING, THEY STILL NEED TO FILE AN APPLICATION YES. 
          CHAIR. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THEY STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          JUDGE STILL NEED TO HAVE A, A COMMUNITY AND A PUBLIC HEARING HERE AND SOMEHOW GET EIGHT VOTES. 
          YES, CHAIR. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL FOR A SECOND BITE AT THE APPLE, AND THEY NEED EIGHT OR MORE VOTES THERE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, CHAIR. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'LL TRY TO USE AN EXAMPLE THAT'S HAPPENED IN MY EXPERIENCE, UM, IN A WAY TO BETTER EXPLAIN WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          SO WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE ASKING FOR, I HATE TO EVEN SAY THIS, A MULTIPLEX OR A MULTIPLEXES ON A CERTAIN PART OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE DEVELOPER AGREES THEY WANT IT, BUT THE ONLY WAY HE CAN DO IT ON THIS ONE LOT IS THROUGH A PD. 
          WE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THE MILLIONS OF PDS WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          WE DON'T WANT A PD ON ONE LOT. 
          UM, SOMETIMES NEIGHBORS GET SUCKED INTO PDS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE. 
          THESE PDS OPEN UP A LOT. 
          UM, UM, YOU HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS SPEAKING FOR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ON A PD. 
          A LOT CAN BE MISSING, A LOT CAN BE TAKEN ABACK. 
          DOES THIS TOOL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTION. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          AND, AND I UNDERSTAND I'M YELLING AT YOU ALL, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO SPEAK SOFTER. 
          UM, TWO QUESTIONS OR A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. 
          WHERE DO WE SPEAK ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP? I ONLY SEE IT IN ITEM FIVE, IS THAT ANYTHING THAT HAS, I KNOW IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION FOR DALLAS, IT WAS A STRONG FOCUS ON TR YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING CHOICE, IT'S NOT JUST, UM, THE TYPES OF HOUSING, BUT ALSO THE TYPES OF, WHETHER IT'S RENTAL OR OWNERSHIP OR, AND IT IT SPEAKS TO, YOU KNOW, CO-OPS AND CONDOS. 
          BUT IT, IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE WE, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT IS AN, A CONSIDERATION FOR US? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO I THINK EXPLICITLY TALKING ABOUT EITHER OWNING OR RENTING A HOME, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THAT MANY, UM, REFERENCES, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU'RE TOUCHING ON THERE. 
          UH, WHEN IT COMES TO HOME OWNERSHIP, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT HELPS WITH COMMUNITIES WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO OWN A HOME, UH, THAT HELPS WITH WEALTH GENERATION AND JUST BEING ABLE TO STAY IN THE CITY. 
          UM, ALSO TOO, THERE ARE OTHERS WHO CHOOSE NOT TO OWN A HOME AND ARE ALSO PREFER TO DO, PREFER TO RENT. 
          SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, OWNING HELPS WITH WEALTH GENERATION, OTHER THINGS, I THINK FROM A MACRO LEVEL, JUST THE CHOICE OF BEING ABLE TO EITHER RENT OR OWN, UM, LIVE IN A, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY OR, UH, A CONDO. 
          ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHOICE AND ACCESS. 
          UM, BUT JUST TO KIND OF GO TO YOUR POINT, ARE YOU LOOKING OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO INCORPORATE MORE OF THAT LANGUAGE OR JUST MORE OF A DISCUSSION FOR THE BODY? BOTH, I THINK. 
          BUT I KNOW CERTAINLY IN PAST CONVERSATIONS AND GROUPS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A VERY STRONG FOCUS FOR OUR CITY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT HAVING A, A STRONG MIX. 
          AND THEN I ALSO WILL, YOU KNOW, LOOK BACK TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT GENTRIFICATION AND HOW SOME OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BEING PUT AT RISK. 
          SO FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS AND OWNERS WITHIN OUR CITY ARE BEING DISPLACED. 
          AND WE SPEAK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DON'T SPEAK ABOUT HOW, WE'RE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT, UM, HOW WE MIGHT ENCOURAGE, UH, MORE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE. 
          AND SO I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE MORE LANGUAGE THAT SPEAKS TO THAT, UM, NOTED NOT THAT WOVEN WITHIN THIS SECTION. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THE SECOND, AND THAT'S, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA DIVE INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT I THINK THOSE TWO ARE, ARE RELATED. 
          UM, BUT AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVE 
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HOUSING TYPES, INFILL HOUSING TYPES, WHATEVER LANGUAGE WE, WE LAND ON, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED TO ADDRESS, UM, OTHER COMPONENTS OF OUR CODE. 
          AND I'M GONNA USE THE STREETS MANUAL, AND I'M GONNA USE BUILDING CODE AS TWO EXAMPLES. 
          UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER HERBERT JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THAT, OR, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I GOT THE WRONG COMMISSIONER, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THAT SOME OF THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT THAT A DUPLEX IS, IS NOT DESIRABLE, IT'S THAT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE BEING DEVELOPED IN COMMUNITIES IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, AND IT WORKS IN SOME AREAS AND OTHERS IT CAN BE VERY DISRUPTIVE. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, ARE ALSO LEADING TO BUILDING FORMS THAT ARE PRECLUDING THEM, BEING INTEGRATED WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAYS THAT WE WANNA THINK ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE NOT SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH IT, THAT AREN'T SIMPLY ZONING AND LAND USE. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE IDENTIFYING THAT THOSE WILL ALSO BE NEEDED, UM, MAY BE IMPORTANT. 
          AND I JUST WANNA KIND OF FURTHER HIGHLIGHT FOR EVERYONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR THE QUESTION ON INFILL, BUT I'M GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT APPLIES TO MANY, MANY AREAS AROUND, UM, THE CITY WHERE THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS DON'T FIT WITH OUR CURRENT CODE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS, AND I'M GONNA USE LOT SIZE AS A EXAMPLE, AND, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO ADDRESS, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH DEED, INTERSECTIONS, PDS, WE END UP WITH ZONING THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, THINK WAS APPROPRIATE TO SOLVE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM, AS OTHERS HAVE SAID. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT LOT AREA QUESTION IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES BECAUSE WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T FIT WITHIN WHAT WE HAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF A LOT OF OUR, OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TRYING TO REDEVELOP. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I THINK I TRULY AM STRUGGLING WITH THE WORD INFILL BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT IT REALLY DOES CAPTURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS MORE BROADLY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S TWO PLACES WHERE I SEE INFILL, IT'S ON THREE, AND IT'S ALSO DOWN IN ITEM 12, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, INTEGRATED HOUSING INFILL POLICY THAT PROVIDES EXPEDITED ZONING AND PERMITTING REVIEW. 
          AND A AGAIN, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE THINKING OF THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, THAT THERE'S A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO IT, AND IS THAT REALLY GETTING US WHERE WE THINK WE WANNA GO? I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, PRE-VETTED HOUSING, HAVING, UM, PLANS THAT CAN HELP EXPEDITE THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          I THINK IT GIVES EVERYONE PREDICTABILITY IN, IN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, I JUST, I, I'M, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH HOW IN AS A LIMITED FUNCTION THERE. 
          NO, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT POINT. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH THIS PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, A LAND USE PLAN, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING IS HOW CAN WE BETTER REFERENCE THESE OTHER POLICIES, UH, THAT ARE TACKLING THE ISSUE? SO, UH, UH, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ISN'T JUST, UM, A, A LAND USE ISSUE. 
          UH, THERE'S A PLETHORA OF OTHER COMPONENTS. 
          THERE'S A PLETHORA OF OTHER THINGS THAT OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE ANALYZING THAT, UH, AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB MAYBE REFERENCING, UM, THOSE ONGOING EFFORTS AND JUST TALK THROUGH THAT COORDINATION. 
          UM, BUT YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KIND OF PIN DOWN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN ONE KIND OF, OR TWO, UH, SUBJECT LINE ITEMS ON THE LAND USE PLAN. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THAT THAT NUANCE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST MENTIONING, WE CAN ADD MORE REFERENCES TO THOSE OTHER DOCUMENTS JUST TO HELP WITH, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE, UH, TAKEN, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          VICE CHAIR, EVERYONE. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANT TO STEP BACK FOR A SECOND. 
          I THINK COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S COMMENTS HIGHLIGHTS SOME, SOME REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO OWNERSHIP AND GENTRIFICATION SLASH DISPLACEMENT. 
          WE DID SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME AT, AT CLUB DISCUSSING THE GENTRIFICATION SLASH DISPLACEMENT ISSUE, PROBABLY LESS ON THE, UM, OWNERSHIP, UM, SIDE JUST TO, YOU KNOW, IN MY RECOLLECTION. 
          UM, BUT ONE THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO GET Y'ALL TO, YOU KNOW, WEIGH IN ON REAL QUICK IS BACK WHEN WE DID FORWARD DALLAS IN 2006, THAT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT INCLUDED A HOUSING PLAN. 
          BUT SINCE WE ADOPTED 2006, THERE IS NOW A SEPARATE CITY HOUSING POLICY MEANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW A LOT OF THAT WORK OUTSIDE OF, OF FORWARD DALLAS? SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW STAFF TRIED TO SORT 
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OF STRIKE THE BALANCE IN THIS UPDATED COMP PLAN WHEN THERE ALREADY IS A, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL ADOPTED HOUSING POLICY? NO, ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT OUR FIRST FOUR DALLAS PLAN, FOUR, FOUR DALLAS 2006, THAT IS A TRUE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLAN. 
          WHEN WE SAY COMPREHENSIVE, IT TOUCHES NOT JUST LAND USE, BUT TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING, UH, URBAN DESIGN, ALL THOSE ELEMENTS, UH, WERE IN THAT PARTICULAR PLAN OR ARE IN THAT PARTICULAR PLAN OVER TIME. 
          UH, INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, UH, AND SECTORS UPDATED THOSE SECTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAD MORE, UM, UH, UH, EXPERTISE IN THOSE SECTIONS. 
          SO GOING BACK TO THE HOUSING, UH, PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR, UH, THE 20, OUR HOUSING POLICY, 2033 IS WHAT IT'S CALLED. 
          AND THAT HAS SPECIFIC GOALS, UH, RELATED TO HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDRESSING HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TIED, UH, OR CONNECTED THE DOTS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE TO, TO CONNECT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, ACTION ITEMS ON THAT PLAN THAT SAYS FORD DALLAS SHOULD, UH, COINCIDE WITH LAND USE, UM, POLICY CHANGES TO ALLOW SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR PLAN. 
          AND SEPARATE AND APART FROM, FROM THIS, UM, DOCUMENT, UM, I KNOW THAT ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT CAME UP QUITE A BIT AT, AT CLUB. 
          I'M NOT ASKING TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT IN LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE TODAY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THIS BODY DID GET AN UPDATE ON THAT FROM, UM, THE, THE RESPONSIBLE FOLKS FOR THAT. 
          SO WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE IT'S AT AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S COMING THERE. 
          I CAN DO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT CAN COME LATER ON, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO THE BODY. 
          NOTED. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, I WANT TO ECHO A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON MADE YOU KNOW ABOUT, UH, EMPHASIZING THE, THE NEED FOR, UH, HOME OWNERSHIP. 
          UH, WHEN, WHEN RESIDENTS OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS READ THIS PLAN, THEY FEEL THAT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE TARGET OF THIS PLAN. 
          AND, AND, AND, UH, ALLOWING ADUS BY RIGHT IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES, UM, UH, THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT'S A TRIGGER WORD FOR ALLOWING MULTIPLEXES IN, IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I, I, I REALLY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE THESE TRIGGER TERMS THAT, THAT CAUSE UH, FOLKS WHO LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THIS PLAN IF WE WANT TO GET, GET THEM TO SUPPORT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, LIKE ON THAT NUMBER THREE THERE, YOU KNOW, INFILL RESIDENTIAL, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S A TERM THAT, UH, THAT THE FOLKS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS OBJECT TO WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IN DESIGNATED AREAS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT COULD BE CHANGED TO AR IN AREAS THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO ENHANCED DENSITY. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, WE JUST NEED TO HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT A STATEMENT THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT TARGETING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE BACKBONE OF RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES IN DALLAS. 
          AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS PLAN AND I, AND I WANNA GET THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT THIS PLAN, AND I REALIZE THIS PLAN IS GONNA PASS THIS COMMISSION. 
          THE REAL OPPOSITION'S GONNA BE AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, BUT FOR ME TO VOTE FOR THIS PLAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU TRY TO CHANGE SOME OF THESE TERMS THAT REALLY DO TARGET SINGLE FAMILY LIVING IN THE, IN, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          NOW, THAT'S NOTED. 
          I THINK ONE THING, UH, YOU MENTIONED, AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES, IS, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT, WHEN WE LOOK AT CITY OF DALLAS AND THE HOUSING THAT EXISTS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NEW YORK, IT'S NOT DENVER, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DALLAS, UH, IT'S, IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY, AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME HERE. 
          UM, BUT WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALSO HEARING IS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO EVEN BUY ANYMORE. 
          UM, SO WHAT THEY WANT IN THE CITY, THEY CAN'T EVEN GET, UH, SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT OWNING A HOME ANYMORE. 
          SO THE, THE TREND NOW IS ACTUALLY JUST, CAN I RENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? SO THE, THE OWNERSHIP QUESTION IS OUT THE WINDOW FOR A LOT OF, UH, PROSPECTIVE, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE CITY. 
          SO THOSE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE CITY ALREADY HAVE ONE. 
          I THINK WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT ENVIRONMENT. 
          THERE'S A LOT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO COME TO THE CITY THAT HAVE ACTUALLY STARTED TO JUST THROW OUT THE IDEA OF EVEN OWNING A HOME. 
          IT'S ABOUT, CAN I RENT A HOME NOW? SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEW TREND. 
          SO AS WE ARE LOOKING TO STILL BUILD UPON WHAT, UH, DALLAS IS, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT HAPPENING. 
          WE WANT PEOPLE TO STILL BE ABLE TO ATTAIN THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK DIFFERENT. 
          HOW DOES THAT, HOW DO WE PLAY WITH THE LAND USE TO PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO STILL GET WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, UNDER THE CURRENT CLIMATE? SO THAT'S KIND 
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OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO DO, IS HOW DO WE PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS, MORE TOOLS FOR PEOPLE TO STILL COME TO DALLAS FOR WHY THEY WANNA COME TO DALLAS? BECAUSE CURRENTLY THEY CAN'T DO THAT. 
          DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT, UH, ADDING DENSITY IN, IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IS GONNA REDUCE, UH, HOUSING COST INCREASE IN AFFORDABILITY? UM, I DID NOT SAY THAT. 
          I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT. 
          NO. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS ADD MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO OWN OR RENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          YEAH, NUMBER ONE. 
          UM, WHILE I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PROTECT EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, I ALSO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE HOUSING CHOICE OPTIONS. 
          AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE LARGE SWATHS OF THIS CITY WHERE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN MORE DENSE AREAS. 
          THEY WANT TO BE IN MORE DENSE AREAS. 
          A HUGE CHUNK OF MY DISTRICT IS, UH, PLACES WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN MORE DENSE AREAS. 
          THEY WANNA LIVE IN, UM, ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY, OR EVEN MORE DENSE THAN THAT. 
          SO PRETENDING LIKE SINGLE FAMILY IS THE ONLY WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE HAPPY IS, UM, AT, AT BEST MYOPIC, AND IT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE CURRENT ECONOMIC REALITIES THAT WE FACE A A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          THE, THE MEDIAN PRICE FOR DALLAS IS ABOUT $400,000, AND YOU HAVE TO BE MAKING OVER $120,000 TO EVEN HOPE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT. 
          AND THAT PRICE JUST KEEPS GOING UP. 
          YOU KNOW, DALLAS IS IN THE TOP 20 OF, UH, CITIES IN THE COUNTRY FOR HOUSING COSTS, AND THAT NUMBER KEEPS GOING UP. 
          SO, AND WHILE OUR RENTS DID GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT TREND HAS BEEN A NUMBER THAT KEEPS GOING UP. 
          SO IF WE'RE GONNA BE REALISTIC ABOUT HOUSING COSTS, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT HOUSING CHOICES. 
          THAT IS NOT TO SAY WE SHOULD ATTACK THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IT IS TO SAY THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES IN THE FUTURE, THEN THEY MIGHT NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS PLAN NEEDS TO REFLECT. 
          NOTED. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HEALTHRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I THINK THE BRIEFING TODAY'S BEEN HELPFUL TO ME. 
          UH, I APPRECIATE THE POINTS BROUGHT UP ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS AND ABOUT THE HOUSING POLICY FOR THE CITY OUTSIDE OF, FOR DALLAS, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I, I SUPPORT LEAVING LANGUAGE ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN, WE, WE'VE SPENT AN, AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS COMMISSION THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH APPLICANTS TRYING TO DO INFILL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND OUR CODE JUST DOES NOT MAKE THAT EASY AT ALL. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LAND IN OUR CITY SITTING IDLE, AND, UH, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE, THE OUTDATED NATURE OF OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OUR ZONING, UM, I'LL TELL YOU IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SIX OR EIGHT LOTS DOWN FROM MY HOUSE, THERE IS A LOT THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND WILL STAY VACANT ANOTHER 40 YEARS. 
          IF WE DON'T FIGURE OUT SOME BETTER WAY TO, UH, ALLOW FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON THAT PARTICULAR LOT, I WOULD BE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO SEE A DUPLEX ON THAT RATHER THAN A VACANT LOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE ARE GENERALLY ON, ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND HOPE WE CAN STAY THERE. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          I DON'T WANNA IGNORE YOU, . 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, GENTLEMEN, LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, MOVING FORWARD. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE ONE MORE SECTION, UH, THAT'S URBAN DESIGN SECTION AND THAT PROBABLY, I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, HOUSING IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO JUST ANY, UH, COMMENTS REGARDING THE COMMUNITY AND URBAN DESIGN IMPLEMENTATION TABLE? I KNOW WE TALKED, TOUCHED ON THE IMPORTANCE OF DESIGN, UH, YOU KNOW, CITYWIDE TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE NOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND PUTS A DEVELOPMENT OR A PROP, UH, UH, HOUSING UNIT, UM, IN A PARTICULAR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO, TO TO MESH. 
          SO I THINK SOME OF THE, THE GENERAL THEMES HERE IS KIND OF ADDRESSING THAT CITYWIDE TO HELP, UM, ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE INCOMPATIBLE, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS MOVING FORWARD. 
          WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ONE, UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PDS AND OTHER TOOLS OR WHAT WE ARE USING TO KIND OF HELP STITCH 
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THAT TOGETHER. 
          BUT IN, IN, IN GENERAL, I THINK WHAT THIS THEME IS TOUCHING ON IS THE COMPREHENSIVE NATURE OF HAVING TO ATTACK, UM, ADDRESS, EXCUSE ME, UM, URBAN DESIGN AND HOW THINGS ARE DESIGNED IN OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE. 
          SO I JUST A COMMENT, I THINK THIS, THIS SECTION IS ONE OF THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT SECTIONS OF THE PLAN AND HELP STOP WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ELM THICKET AREAS AND AREAS AROUND THE CITY. 
          I DO THINK THAT, UM, THIS ALSO HAS TO BE CONSIDERED IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ADUS, RIGHT? HAVING THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO IT. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT THAT CONTEXT, THAT CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN, UM, THE CITIES WHO HAVE DONE IT HAVE DESIGNS AVAILABLE FOR THEIR RESIDENCES AND, AND SO ON. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT WILL TAKE TIME FOR THE CITY TO COME UP WITH AND IT SHOULD BE CAREFULLY PLANNED OUT AND THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD SECTION, UM, THAT, THAT NEEDS A LOT OF ATTENTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? WE'LL KEEP GOING. 
          ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          WE'RE GOOD ON THIS ONE. 
          ALRIGHT, PERFECT. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS END OUR CONVERSATION AND TALK ABOUT, UH, THE SCHEDULING AND, AND NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD WITH FORD DALLAS. 
          UH, SO TODAY, JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS THE KINDA LAST INPUT THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH YOU ALL, UH, REGARDING JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION OF WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN SHOULD SAY. 
          UH, WHAT STAFF'S GONNA DO NOW IS START TO COMPILE ALL THAT FEEDBACK. 
          I WANT TO PRESENT THOSE, THOSE SUGGESTIONS BACK TO YOU ALL IN THE FUTURE MEETING. 
          UH, SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR MEETING, AND I'M GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN. 
          UH, YOU ALL ALSO HAVE THIS ON YOUR DESKS. 
          SO, UH, TO DATE, UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW WORKSHOPS. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH E EACH OF YOU ALL AT OUR OFFICES TALKING THROUGH THE MAP, TALKING THROUGH THE PLAN DOCUMENT AND UPDATES. 
          UH, SO TODAY IS, UH, MAY 2ND. 
          WE JUST CONCLUDED OUR HOUSING AND URBAN DESIGN DISCUSSION. 
          UH, NEXT THURSDAY WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, AND DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE GONNA BE ALSO, UM, HEARING FROM THE, THE COMMUNITY ABOUT JUST THEIR, THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE PLAN. 
          UH, WHAT, WHAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ALSO HAVE A, A BRIEF, UH, PRESENTATION, JUST TALKING THROUGH SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE LAST TWO MONTHS. 
          AND ON MAY 16TH WE HAVE, UM, ANOTHER, UH, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          UH, WE CAN THEN START TO PRESENT THOSE SUGGESTIONS TO YOU ALL TO HELP US DETERMINE WHICH WAY TO GO ON THE PLAN DOCUMENT UPDATE. 
          SO TO DATE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD COMMENTS FROM ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE OF A PARTICULAR ISSUE. 
          YOU WANNA PRESENT THOSE, UH, CONSIDERATIONS TO YOU ALL AND YOU ALL WOULD MAKE A, PROVIDE, UH, GUIDANCE FOR STAFF TO THEN CREATE UPDATES TO THE PLAN. 
          SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THIS PARTICULAR SCHEDULE, AND WE CAN TALK THROUGH, UM, ANY OTHER DATES ON HERE IS NEXT, UM, NEXT WEEK DURING THE BRIEFING, UH, DURING THE HEARING, WE WOULD HAVE A QUICK BRIEF JUST TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH IN GENERALITIES, UH, THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. UM, THEN ON MAY, UH, 16TH, UH, THAT'S A REGULARLY SCHEDULED CPC MEETING. 
          UH, WE WILL THEN COME TO YOU ALL WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR AND HAVE YOU ALL JUST HELP US PROVIDE THE DIRECTION ON WHICH WAY TO GO. 
          UH, WHAT WE DID WITH K CLUB, THE, THE PREVIOUS, UM, BODY WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE DOCUMENT PAGE BY PAGE AND THEY MADE A DETERMINATION WHICH WAY TO GO RIGHT THEN AND THERE. 
          UH, SINCE WE DIDN'T DO THAT WITH THIS BODY, WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO YOU ALL WITH, UM, ALL THOSE UPDATES AND YOU ALL WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, EACH VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT IS INITIATED BY THE BODIES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE THE CPC VERSION. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL BEFORE WE MAKE ANY EDITS, UH, TO THE DOCUMENT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA COME BEFORE YOU ALL MAY 16TH, UM, WITH ALL THE, ALL THE SUGGESTED EDITS AND HAVE YOU ALL PROVIDE US GUIDANCE ON WHICH WAY TO GO ON THAT. 
          COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS ON THE TIMELINE. 
          UH, NOW IS THE TIME COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU, YOU HAVE ANY EDITS, ANY AMENDMENTS, ANY PROPOSED LANGUAGE, PLEASE GET THOSE INTO STAFF. 
          UH, AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO THE, THE WAY THAT WE'RE ORGANIZED IS THE LANGUAGE FROM, FROM THIS BODY WILL GET TO YOU. 
          YOU WILL ARRANGE IT INCLUDED IN YOUR, YOUR DRAFT HERE WITH MAYBE SOME BOX ITEMS, AND WE WILL HAVE THAT ON THE 16TH, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          WHAT, WHAT WE COULD DO, UH, IS THEN POSSIBLY HAVE A, A SPECIALLY CALLED HEARING ON THE 30TH WHERE WE GO THROUGH IT, UH, AND, UH, KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. COMMISSIONER 
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KINGSTON. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING INTO GRADUATION, WEDDINGS, SUMMER VACATION, AND I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I'M GONNA BE OUTTA TOWN AND I'M WOULD LIKE TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THESE AND TWO WEEKS NOTICE OR MONTHS NOTICE IS JUST, I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE TIME, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF IS ON RAILS TO GET THIS TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE BREAK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY REVIEW IT AND, AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN GETTING THIS TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE BREAK. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT A SPECIAL, ANOTHER SPECIAL CALL MEETING IS GOING TO BE, UH, NEEDED TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE EDITS. 
          I KNOW WHAT TODAY WE HAVE AN EXTREMELY LONG DOCKET AND WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON FORWARD DALLAS AND, AND THE 16TH. 
          I, I DON'T, I, I HAVE NOT, OF COURSE, SEEN THE DOCKET FOR THE 16TH, BUT I EXPECT THAT IT WILL BE LONG AS MOST OF OURS ARE. 
          AND TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING AS COMPREHENSIVE AS GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE INPUT, SUGGESTION AND EDIT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE EXTREMELY UNREALISTIC. 
          I, I, I'M OPEN TO, UH, WHAT DATE WE HAVE A, A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, AND I'M SENSITIVE TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S CONCERNS. 
          UM, BUT I, I REALLY THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE, UM, VET THIS THOROUGHLY. 
          THEN WE TRY TO MEET UP, UM, AN ACCELERATED DEADLINE. 
          NO, GREAT, GREAT COMMENT. 
          I WANNA RESPOND TO THAT. 
          UM, SO, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW WE PROPOSE THOSE UPDATES TO YOU WHEN WE HAVE OUR BRIEFING, UM, WHAT WE WANNA DO TOO IS MAKE SURE WE'RE PRETTY SUCCINCT IN TERMS OF THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS WHERE GENERALLY I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PROPOSE THAT AND SAY, UH, THIS IS A SUGGESTION, SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD? AND THAT SHOULD COVER, UH, SEVERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PAGES OR OPTIONS. 
          BUT ALSO THERE'S SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER THIS WAY OR THIS WAY. 
          WE GOTTA PROPOSE THAT TO YOU TOO AS WELL. 
          SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS CREATE A PRESENTATION THAT WOULD HAVE THOSE CHANGES INSTEAD OF GOING TO EACH PAGE, UH, GOING THROUGH WHAT WE, WHERE WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD GO. 
          UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISCRETION BASED ON, UH, YOUR FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW STAFF ADDRESSES THOSE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE PROPOSE TO THOSE, TO YOU ALL IN A SUCCINCT FASHION. 
          AND THEN WE GO FORWARD AND, UH, MAKE THE UPDATES OF THE DOCUMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF I COULD FOLLOW UP, IT WOULD JUST BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL IF WE COULD GET WHATEVER YOU'RE PLANNING TO PRESENT TO US BEFORE THE NIGHT BEFORE. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT JUST DOES NOT WORK TO, TO TRY TO GET PREPARED FOR ONE OF THESE HEARING DAYS AND ALL THE CASES ON THE DOCKET AND ALL THE LAST WEEK SWIRLING AROUND TO TRY TO ABSORB, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT EDITS ON SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT EXCELLENT POINT. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE COMMENTS IN FROM THE, FROM THE BODY. 
          HOPEFULLY MOST OF THAT WILL BE INCLUDED ON THE 16TH, CORRECT. 
          AND THEN POSSIBLY A TENTATIVE DEADLOCK BY THE 23RD. 
          AND IF WE DO HAVE A SPECIALLY CALLED HEARING ON THE 30TH, THEN WE HAD A, A WEEK WITH THE DOCUMENT TO GO THROUGH, UH, AND, AND SEE WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED. 
          I, I SUSPECT THAT, UH, ALTHOUGH THERE'LL BE LOTS OF ITEMS, WE'LL PROBABLY DISAGREE ON A HANDFUL, RIGHT? SO, SORRY, JUST KIND OF GO BACK, WHAT'S, WHAT'S ON THE, WHAT'S ON THE CALENDAR, WHAT I'M HEARING TOO. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY JUST WE'RE THINKING OF JUST GOING TO THAT, THAT JUNE 6TH. 
          UM, IT'S REGULARLY CALLED REGULARLY, UH, SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          UH, IF WE, YOU KNOW, WERE SUGGESTING TALKING THROUGH, GOING ONE WEEK EARLIER, UM, YES, WE CAN STILL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU ALL, UH, IN THAT TIME. 
          BUT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS, UH, IF WE CHOOSE TO GO WITH MAY 30TH, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          COMMISSIONER SHENA? YEAH, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR, ACTUALLY, OF THE DOING SOMETHING ON THE 30TH. 
          AND IN GENERAL, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF SURPRISED AT HOW LONG THIS IS, IS TAKING, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT AN ENTIRE NOTHER MONTH TO WORK ON THIS. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR NOW, WELL OVER A MONTH. 
          UM, MY CONCERN IS JUST MORE IN A MACRO COMMENTS, IS THAT THE CITY IS, HAS GOT A REPUTATION FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO PROCESS AND DO THEIR BUSINESS IN A TIMELY MANNER. 
          AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COULD BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, NOT THE PROBLEM TO THAT, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I I ASK IS LIKE, HAVE WE GIVEN THE, THE PUBLIC ENOUGH TIME TO DIGEST THIS AND KNOWING THAT THEY'VE GOT ONE? I THINK THE UNEQUIVOCALLY YES TO THAT. 
          UH, AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER MONTH ON TOP OF THIS, KNOWING THAT WE'RE JUST, UH, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS BEYOND THAT WHERE THE PUBLIC WILL STILL BE ENGAGED IN PROVIDING FEEDBACK AND KNOWING THAT WHENEVER YOU HAVE A LARGE, AN AUTHORIZED HEARING OR SOMETHING OF THIS 
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MAGNITUDE, INEVITABLY THE WEEK BEFORE COUNCIL VOTES ON THIS, THERE ARE GOING TO BE A TON OF PEOPLE THAT COME OUT AND SAY, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHAT'S GOING ON? I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. 
          WHY DIDN'T I HAVE ENOUGH TIME? THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT. 
          AND SO, I, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF, OF TIME IN THIS MONTH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. 
          AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC PROCESS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DELAY THIS FOR, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH MORE THAN ADEQUATELY GIVEN THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, GIVE FEEDBACK. 
          MR. , I FEEL A A LITTLE BIT OF TENSION HERE, AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE I COME DOWN. 
          UM, I DO THINK IF WE GET AN UPDATED DRAFT DOCUMENT ON THE 30TH, CONSIDERING THE LENGTH, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUANTITY OF THE EDITS, MAYBE TWO WEEKS BEFORE OUR FIRST MEETING TO WORK ON IT, WOULD BE BETTER THAN ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO FULLY DIGEST IT. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, KNOWING HOW THESE THINGS SORT OF WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE REALLY MEATY, YOU KNOW, CODE OR, OR POLICY ISSUES, SOMETIMES THEY DO END UP, YOU KNOW, STRETCHING ACROSS MULTIPLE MEETINGS. 
          I'D LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT, AND I'M SURE WE'D ALL BE HAPPY IN MANY WAYS TO GET THIS ONTO COUNCIL ON JUNE 6TH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, BOUND TO HAPPEN. 
          SO CONSIDERING THAT IT MAY, I THINK THERE'S A REASONABLE CHANCE THAT IT DOESN'T GET THROUGH ON MAY 6TH, I, OR ON JUNE 6TH, I DO WONDER IF KICKING IT OFF ON JUNE 6TH AS OPPOSED TO THE 30TH MAY BE THE, THE BETTER OPTION HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, FOLLOW BY. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WHATEVER DATE, I, I WOULD REQUEST THAT I PERSONALLY DO NOT LIKE EDITING DOCUMENTS ON, ON A SCREEN. 
          I, WHATEVER WE DO, PLEASE TRY TO GET US A HARD COPY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, UH, IN PLENTY OF TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND, AND REVIEW IT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          SO JUST THE, FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T HERE, JUST BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION, UM, TO THE BODY AND TO THE PUBLIC, UM, IN A, IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO ALSO CLARIFY. 
          SO AS WE COME BEFORE THIS BODY, WE TALK THROUGH WHICH WAY TO GO. 
          UM, AFTER WE GET THAT FEEDBACK, THEN WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE DOCUMENT BASED ON THAT DIRECTION. 
          SO AFTER YOU GET THE, THE SUGGESTED EDITS THAT YOU ALL SET TO ADD TO THE DOCUMENT, WE WILL THEN GO FORWARD, UPDATE THE DOCUMENT, AND THEN PRODUCE A VERSION FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW BEFORE THAT LAST PUBLIC HEARING, JUNE 6TH, MAY 30TH, WHATEVER WE DECIDE. 
          UM, BUT THAT WILL BE SENT TO YOU ALL IN ADVANCE TO BE ABLE, JUST TO SEE HOW THAT THOSE EDITS WERE APPLIED, UH, ON THE, ON THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          UH, JUST ONE QUICK LITTLE COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, BEFORE I GO TO YOU, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, JUST, YOU KNOW, FYI, JUNE 6TH IS OUR, IS OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED CPC HEARING. 
          AND SO JUST IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, LOGISTICS, UH, I DON'T SEE HOW WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT ON A DAY THAT WE ALSO HAVE A, A FULL DOC. 
          I, I DON'T SEE, IT'S GONNA BE IMPOSSIBLE, FRANKLY. 
          UH, SO, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ESPECIALLY CALLED HEARING EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THAT DATE. 
          UH, I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING ON THE SIXTH, FRANKLY. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I AM WHISPERING. 
          I JUST WANNA, UM, MY REQUEST IS IF WHEN THE DOCUMENT COMES OUT, IF WE CAN HAVE THE FULL DOCUMENT AND THE APPENDIXES SO THAT WE'RE SEEING EVERYTHING TOGETHER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S FOR ME, YES, MA'AM. 
          AND ALSO JUST WANT TO, AND I, SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, HAVE MADE PLANS AROUND OUR SCHEDULE, SO, UM, CERTAINLY WANNA BE PART OF THIS, UM, DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, FOR OUR CITY, FOR ALL OF US. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL COMMITTED TO THAT, BUT THE SOONER WE CAN SET THESE DATES, I THINK THE EASIER IT WILL BE FOR, TO CONTINUE TO MANAGE OUR OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? PARDON ME, COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF AFFIRM WHAT COMMISSIONER CHERNOCK SAID. 
          I JUST THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THIS MOVING AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO FROM NOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY EASIER OR, OR ANY, ANY MORE COMPLETE, I DON'T THINK. 
          AND THEN, UM, I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER WHOLEHEARTEDLY. 
          WE'VE GOTTA GET THIS STUFF EARLIER. 
          UM, YEAH, THE, THE EMAIL LAST NIGHT WAS NOT HELPFUL. 
          AND SO, UM, IF WE CAN SEE THIS STUFF IN ADVANCE, THEN 
          [01:10:01]
I THINK WE CAN GET MORE DONE AT THESE MEETINGS. 
          AND, AND I'M, I'M PREPARED TO DO WHATEVER MEETINGS WE NEED TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE SIXTH, UM, NOTWITHSTANDING THE COMMENT CHAIR MADE ABOUT OUR DOCKET ON THE SIXTH, BUT THAT'S TRUE, RUBEN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, I CERTAINLY AM NOT SUGGESTING A DELAY OF, OF TWO MONTHS, OR EVEN NECESSARILY A MONTH. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE 30TH VERSUS THE SIXTH. 
          IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK ABOUT IS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ANSWER TO THIS WOULD BE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF FOLKS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOLKS PROBABLY HAVE TRAVEL AS WELL, BUT MAYBE ALSO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, ESPECIALLY CALL MEETING AS OPPOSED TO A WEEKDAY, ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING BOTH, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S SCHEDULES. 
          AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, ALLOW A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF, IF THERE'S A WEEKEND MEETING, NOT, NOT SAYING IT HAS TO HAPPEN, BUT SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY SHOULD BE DISCUSSED. 
          LET'S GET OUR CALENDARS OUT. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE EIGHTH, NINTH, OR 11TH OF JUNE, CORRECT? I, I THINK NINTH IS A SUNDAY. 
          YES. 
          WE COULD HAVE TO DO A A IF IT'S A WEEKEND THAT, UH, THAT WORKS BEST FOR EVERYONE, WE COULD DO EIGHTH, NINTH, OR WE COULD DO 11TH, 12TH, I THINK 13TH. 
          I, I'VE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK. 
          IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. 
          11 OR 12, BUT ALSO, NO, WE, NO, WE CAN'T , BUT ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE NOT UNLESS THE MEN DON'T CARE THAT THE 16TH IS FATHER'S DAY, ESPECIALLY THE MEN WHO JUST HAD BABIES. 
          UH, YEAH, MY BABY WANTS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          , HE MAY SEE HIS DADDY MORE ONCE WE PASS THIS  COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT. 
          I WAS GOING TO, UH, SUGGEST, UH, OR KIND OF SECOND WHAT YOUR, YOUR IDEA OF HAVING THIS ON A WEEKEND DAY AS OPPOSED TO DURING THE WEEK. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION, BUT I'M HAVING TO TAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PTO DAYS TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND THESE COMMISSION MEETINGS AND, UH, AND, AND, AND ANY MORE, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT AREN'T REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS ARE, IS JUST GONNA BE, UH, EVEN MORE TAXING ON MY ABILITY TO DO MY JOB. 
          UH, SO I, I WOULD APPRECIATE CONSIDERATION IN TRYING TO DO THIS, UH, MEETING, UH, ON A WEEKEND DAY AND HAVING SEVERAL HOURS, UH, DEVOTED TO THE MEETING AND NOT TRYING TO FIT IT INTO ONE HOUR. 
          THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA REVIEW EVERYTHING IN ONE HOUR. 
          UH, I KNOW COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SENSITIVE SUBJECT ON THAT SIDE OF THE HORSES. 
          U UH, OKAY. 
          EIGHTH OR 11TH COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY FEE? YES, COMMISSIONER? SURE. 
          NOT, UH, I'LL, I'LL PUT A VOTE FOR THE EIGHTH AND, AND I CAN MAKE THE 11TH WORK TOO. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'M LEANING TOWARDS THE 11TH. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE OUGHT TO WAIT TILL THE 11TH, BUT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEFORE WE, UH, HAVE OUR FINAL DISCUSSION ON THESE CHANGES, ANY, ANY COMMENTS WE TAKE IT TO, UM, COMMISSIONER FOR SIX MONTHS CLIMATE? I MEAN, AND I'M SORRY, KINGSTON'S, WE DON'T HAVE TO PLAN AROUND. 
          WE CAN GO, UH, YEAH, LET'S, WE'LL HAVE IT REMOTE. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO TO HAWAII COMMISSION AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION THERE. 
          UH, BUT I'LL, YOU KNOW, I CAN DO THE EIGHTH. 
          I, I WOULD PREFER DOING IT ON A SATURDAY THAN A SUNDAY, AND I DEFINITELY WANT MY WEEKDAYS BECAUSE WE'VE EATEN UP A WHOLE LOT OF THEM. 
          OKAY, LET'S DO EIGHTH. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO THE EIGHTH. 
          UH, NINE TO FOUR, NINE TO TWO, NINE TO WHENEVER. 
          NINE TO WHENEVER. 
          IT WOULD BE JUNE 8TH. 
          JUNE 8TH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE SET. 
          COULD WE, AND JUST TO CLARIFY FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, SO, UH, ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING SATURDAY JUNE 8TH, THIS WOULD BE, UH, A POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, UM, AND PUBLIC WOULD ALSO BE INVITED TO THIS. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO THINK, WHAT'S THAT? JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS WOULD BE RECOMMENDED DURING A ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING ON A SATURDAY. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH THAT. 
          WE, YES, YES. 
          THAT COMMISSIONER PLAYER, CAN YOU REPEAT THE TIME THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IT WOULD BE 
          [01:15:01]
9:00 AM TO WHEN WE GET DONE, WE START, CAN WE START IT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE DAY? I MEAN, THAT FIRST, THAT MORNING IS AT THE LSAT IN THE MORNING. 
          SO COULD WE DO THE MEETING ON AFTERNOON? OH, YOU, YEAH. 
          WOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I REMOTE'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          ANOTHER MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER. 
          I JUST, UM, I'VE GOT TRAVEL SCHEDULED THAT WEEKEND, SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AT ALL. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE 15, 22ND OR 23RD? I KNOW OF QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HAVE CONSTRAINTS. 
          JUNE. 
          JUNE, THAT'S, IT WORKS FOR ME. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 30TH? OKAY. 
          WE HAVE JUNE 17 COMMISSIONERS MONDAY, 9:00 AM GOING ONCE WHAT, MONDAY? YEAH, I HAVE LOTS OF FOLKS TRAVELING. 
          NO, IT WORKS FOR ME. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE HAVE JUNE 17TH CONFLICTS THAT WANTS TO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, AMONGST OTHER OPTIONS? I MEAN, IT GOT NUKED THE SATURDAY GOT, UH, WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN TICKING THE NAIL SET, SO I WHAT ABOUT THE 15TH OR THE 22ND? HOW MANY ARE THOSE DATES? I THINK WE HAVE TWO FOLKS TRAVELING ON THE, THOSE WEEKENDS. 
          I KNOW COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT IS USUALLY GONE ON THE WEEKEND. 
          UM, UH, MY APOLOGIES, COMMISSIONER. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW IT HURTS, BUT, UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS THING MOVING. 
          I'VE BEEN REQUIRED, OH, MY APOLOGIES. 
          UH, GEORGE COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S TRYING TO GET ONLINE. 
          SHE'S TRYING TO BECOME A PANELIST COMMISSIONER. 
          SHE ARE, WE'RE COMMITTED TO DOING IT AFTER JUNE 6TH. 
          OR IS IT LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THE WEEK? LAST WEEK OF MAY? LIKE, OH, SO WE HAVE PEOPLE TRAVELING THAT YOU'RE, YOU TWO ARE GOING, OKAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE, THE CLOSER WE PUT THE DATE, THE MORE, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT GETS. 
          YEAH. 
          FOLLOWING WEEKEND, I'M GONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S JUST DO 17TH. 
          WE'LL MAKE IT WORK NINE TO WHENEVER, TWO, THREE O'CLOCK. 
          WHENEVER WE GET, WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT ON THE 17TH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE SAID 9:00 AM YES. 
          AND WE CAN CONFIRM AND CHECK WITH OUR TEAM TO SEE JUST WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UM, FROM STAFF'S FIRST, UH, I GUESS POINT OF VIEW TOO, IF JUNE 17TH IS THAT DATE THAT WE LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT, UH, WE WILL, UH, COMMIT TO HAVE THAT DOCUMENT TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE, JUNE 3RD, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, AND THEN BEFORE THAT, WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF WHICH DIRECTION TO GO ON ON THAT DOCUMENT. 
          SO JUNE 3RD WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD, UH, PRODUCE A DOCUMENT, UM, AT THE, AT THE LATEST. 
          THAT TRUE RUBEN, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE THIS DRAFT SAYS THAT IF WE HAVE OUR, PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, INITIAL FEEDBACK ON THE FEW CRITICAL ITEMS ON THE 16TH, THAT WE WOULD GET A DRAFT BY MAY 23RD. 
          IS THAT FEASIBLE? SO, YES. 
          SO TWO THINGS. 
          SO WANT WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE, ON THE NINTH AND ON THE 16TH, WE WANNA HAVE BASICALLY A, A, A BRIEFING, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE EDITING. 
          SO WE'RE STARTING TO KIND OF DEVELOP THE DOCUMENT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT COMPLETE. 
          UH, SO BASED ON THAT, WE COULD STILL HAVE IT, UH, END OF THE MONTH. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AT LEAST KIND OF WORST CASE SCENARIO, JUNE 3RD WOULD BE WHEN YOU AT LEAST GET IT. 
          WE CAN BE DONE BEFORE THEN TOO, AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO JUST GIVE THE BODY, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH TIME WITH THE DOCUMENT AS POSSIBLE IS, I MEAN, IF WE COULD SHOOT FOR THAT MAY 23RD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. 
          THAT GIVES US NEARLY A MONTH TO FULLY DIGEST IT. 
          SO THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVING ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING A DOCUMENT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, SUFFICIENT TIME FOR EVERY MEMBER OF THIS BODY AND THE PUBLIC TO FULLY DIGEST IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE SET COMMISSIONERS, UH, 17TH . 
          YES. 
          JUNE 17TH, 
          [01:20:01]
9:00 AM LUNCH. 
          AND, UH, HOPEFULLY GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT THEN AND, UM, KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE STAND. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN. 
          IS IS THE PLAN, IS THE PLAN TO VOTE ON THE, THE, THE PLAN ON THAT SAME DAY? I DO NOT THINK SO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, I THINK, UH, PROBABLY WILL BE ON THE 20TH, THE VOTE ON THE 20TH AND, AND JUST FYI COMMISSIONERS THE, UH, I BELIEVE MOVING FORWARD ALL OF OUR, UH, MEETINGS FROM NOW UNTIL WE VOTE ON THE, THE DOCUMENT WHERE WE'LL BE TAKING SOME PUBLIC INPUT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE SIXTH. 
          SO, SO HOW DOES, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION THEN IF, IF WE DON'T VOTE ON THIS UNTIL JUNE 20TH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF THE COUNCIL? THEY PROBABLY WON'T REALLY, UH, BE, BEGIN TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE UNTIL THEY GET BACK FROM THEIR SUMMER BREAK. 
          RIGHT? I DON'T REALLY KNOW, HONESTLY. 
          I, I MEAN, I'M NOT TAKING THAT, THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT THAN I DO. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR CALENDAR HERE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AS MANY FOLKS AS WE CAN AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL GOES, OR I DON'T REALLY KNOW, COMMISSIONER, MAYBE, UH, WE GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT. 
          ANDREA GIL IS PLANNING URBAN DESIGN. 
          IT'LL JUST GO IN THE FALL. 
          IT, IT WILL JUST GO IN THE FALL. 
          IT WON'T BE ABLE TO GO TO THEM UNTIL AUGUST AT THE EARLIEST. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS, JUST WANTED TO HAVE AN IDEA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I DIG IN JUST A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO THE WORK THAT WE MIGHT DO ON OUR JUNE 17TH MEETING? I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE FINAL VOTE TO PASS RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL MAY NOT HAPPEN THAT DAY, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE HERE ON THE 17TH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO IT AND ALL THAT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND GET AS MUCH WORK AS WE CAN DONE ON THE 17TH. 
          AND IF WE NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING ON IT ON THE 20TH, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          THAT'S HOW K CLUB ENDED UP DOING IT. 
          WE, WE PICKED IT UP ON ONE DAY IN JANUARY, GOT THROUGH A LOT OF THE DOCUMENT, BUT DIDN'T GET ALL THE WAY THERE AND THEN WRAPPED IT UP IN A SECOND, SECOND SESSION. 
          SO I JUST WANNA, FROM SORT OF A TRUTH AND ADVERTISING PERSPECTIVE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE WERE VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THE DOCUMENT AND EVEN POSSIBLY PASS IT. 
          BUT ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING ON THE 17TH, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE JUNE 20TH THOUGH, THAT, THAT'S THE DATE YOU'RE PLANNING FOR A VOTE AND, BUT THAT IS A REGULAR MEETING DAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT AGAIN, AS, AS VICE RUBIN SAID, UH, WE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE IRONED OUT ALL ITEMS BY THE 17TH. 
          ON THE 17TH AND WHATEVER THE HANDFUL OF ITEMS ARE ARE THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, VOTE ON ON THE 20TH. 
          THE 20TH WILL HOPEFULLY BE JUST ONE OVERALL VOTE, BUT WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GET THERE. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          THANK YOU MS. GILIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GO TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          DANIEL, IS THAT GONNA BE HERE OR IN THE BACK? IT'S IN THE BACK. 
          SO, COMMERS, LET'S 
          [EXECUTIVE SESSION]
TAKE, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND THEN HEAD THE BACK. 
          WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER, 
          [Zoning Cases - Consent]
WE YOUR BACK. 
          UH, IT 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
IS NOW 1110 AND THE CITY OF PLAN COMMISSIONER HAS RETURNED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          WE'RE GONNA HEAD RIGHT BACK INTO THE DOCKET, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THE FIRST, UH, 
          [Minor Amendments - Consent]
TWO ITEMS ARE THE MISCELLANEOUS MINOR AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BRIEFED AT PER REQUEST. 
          DOES ANYONE NEED ITEM THREE OR FOUR BRIEFED AND COMMISSIONER? UH, HAMPTON, I CAN'T SEE YOU OR HEAR YOU, BUT IF YOU NEED IT BRIEFED, CAN YOU LET ME KNOW? CALL ME OR TEXT ME. 
          OH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          YOU'RE OKAY? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT TAKES US TO THE, UH, ZONING CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ITEMS OF FIVE THROUGH 14TH. 
          UH, AT THIS POINT, 11, 12 AND 13 HAVE COME OFF CONSENT, SOME WILL BE HELD, SOME NOT. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT. 
          WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FIVE, MS. GARZA, WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT A BRIEF SPACE TODAY, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          WHAT IF WE DID BRIEFINGS BY REQUEST IN THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY, CONSIDERING THAT THE TIME CRUNCH? WOULD FOLKS BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? IF, IF WE DID BRIEFINGS BY REQUESTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL? AND OF COURSE IF ANYONE HAD COMMENTS, WE COULD GET IT OR QUESTIONS WE COULD GET IT BRIEFED OR JUST PRESENT QUESTIONS TO STAFF. 
          I SAW 
          [01:25:01]
SOME HEADS MOVING. 
          YES, SOME HEADS MOVING. 
          NO, WHY DON'T WE QUESTIONS? YEAH, SO, SO LET'S JUST DO THAT. 
          WHY DON'T WE JUST, UH, PUT THESE, THESE CASES, OPEN THEM UP FOR QUESTIONS, AND THEN, UH, WITH THOSE, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, THE PRESENTATION. 
          I THINK I, NOW, I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THESE ONLINE. 
          UH, THESE WERE ALL POSTED ALL YOUR PRESENTATIONS. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S BEGIN WITH NUMBER FIVE AND, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I DON'T SEE YOU YET. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MORNING ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS KZ 2 2 3 2 3 9. 
          THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TWO, TWO, AND AN EXPANSION OF PLANUM DISTRICT NUMBER 9 24 AND ON PROPERTY ZONE IN MF TO A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT AND PLAN DEVELOP DISTRICT NUMBER 9 24. 
          IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF LONG LAND DRIVE AND SOUTHWEST LINE OF CHARLES STREET, SOUTHEAST OF FERGUSON ROAD. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE POINT 33 ACRES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, LET'S JUST, CAN YOU JUST GET TO THE ASK AND THEN WE'LL GO RIGHT TO QUESTIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FULLY BRIEF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE AREA REQUEST, UM, IS DEVELOPED WITH A GROUP HOME PARKING LOT AND IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY AND A SINGLE FAMILY HOME PD 9 24 WEST, PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL SEPTEMBER, 2014. 
          UM, SO THEY, THE REQUEST IS THEY ARE EXPANDING THE THREE STORY BUILDING BY 300, UH, 3,716 SQUARE FEET ON THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTHWEST SIDES OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS THEY'RE EXPANDING THE AREA OF THE PD 9 24 TO INCLUDE PROPERTY THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTHEAST. 
          UM, THEY ARE UTILIZING THE O THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME EXISTING FOR OFFICE. 
          UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE, THERE'S NO SUSTAIN, UH, CHANGES TO PD, TO THE PD CONDITIONS. 
          UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, UH, MAYBE YOU CAN SEE ON THE IAN PLANT, UM, THEY ARE EXPANDING THE EXISTING THREE STORY BUILDING AND THEY ARE ADDING THAT, UH, PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, AND, UH, STATUS CONDITION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. 
          GEORGE IS COMMISSIONER WHEELER ON? OKAY, WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, COME BACK TO THIS ONE IF SHE HAS QUESTIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, I, IS THIS A, UH, I GUESS AM I ALLOWED TO ASK THIS? IS THIS A TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR SAY, HOMELESS PEOPLE? UH, SO THIS IS A GROUP OF RESIDENTIAL FACILITY USE. 
          SO AS FOR PER DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, IT'S ANTERIUM OR PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, AS OPPOSED TO LODGING OUR MEDICAL TREATMENT FACILITY THAT PROVIDES ROOM AND BOARD TO A GROUP OF PERSON WHO ARE NOT A FAMILY. 
          AS THAT TERM IS DEFINED IN THIS CHAPTER, WHETHER NOT THE FACILITY IS OPERATED FOR PROFIT OR CHARGES FOR THE SERVICE, UH, IT OFFERS, SO PEOPLE COME AND GO, UH, IN THIS FAIRLY ROUTINELY. 
          IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          YES. 
          SO IT ACTUALLY DOES SAY THIS USE DOES NOT INCLUDE FACILITIES THAT NEGOTIATE SLEEPING ARRANGEMENT ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY THAT THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS ADDING IS, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO THE SOUTH AND IT'S, IT'S SITTING ON MF TWO LAND, BUT IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          BUT THE PROPOSED, UM, USE FOR THAT ADDED SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS TO BE AN OFFICE FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THIS ITEM ONCE YOU GET ONLINE AND WE'LL KEEP GOING TO CASE NUMBER SIX. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THIS IS, UM, CASE NUMBER Z 2 2 3 2 4 0. 
          [01:30:07]
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 10 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONE AND RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THE CONTINUED SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. 
          AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GREAT TRINITY FOREST WAY EAST OF OAKLAND ON DRIVE. 
          HOPEFULLY I'M PRONOUNCING IT RIGHT. 
          AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE ZONING MAP, IT'S SURROUNDED BY OTHER RETAIL USES A, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION, AND ALSO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          THE AREA REQUEST IS ON RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIFT CONTROL OVERLAY, AND THE PROPERTY IS CURRENT AVAILABLE WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE. 
          UM, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2014 WAS APPROVED ON MARCH THE 24TH, 2021 FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD FOR THE USE THE SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS AND NO CHANGES. 
          UM, WITH THE EXCEPT OF THE TIME LIMIT, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS OR SITE PLAN. 
          THE NEXT FEW PICTURES WILL BE OF THE SITE WHEN I CONDUCTED THE SITE VISIT AND THE SURROUNDING USES ALSO, THESE PHOTOS WERE SENT TO ME BY THE COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, SO I INCLUDED THEM IN THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WHEN SHE CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT. 
          THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CONDITIONS. 
          AGAIN, NO CHANGES OTHER THAN THE TIME LIMIT, THE EXISTING SITE PLAN, NO CHANGES AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, MS. UH, GIANNA BRIDGES, MS. BRIDGES, IS THIS NOT THE SAME LOCATION WHERE WE HAD, UM, THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE, THE AT TEXACO WHERE WE WE WERE CHALLENGED WITH THAT SITE? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT AFTER THAT CASE THEN I WENT OUT THERE, WALKED THE WHOLE ENTIRE SITE WITH ALL OF THE PARTIES THAT WERE NEEDED IN ORDER TO VALIDATE THE CONDITION AND THE, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT EXIST FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, DID I NOT SHARE WITH YOU? THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT THE CHALLENGES ARE NOT OF THE, UM, BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND THAT, UM, NOT ONLY WAS THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, BUT THE LOCATION THAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME, UM, WHERE EACH LOCATION WAS THAT I VISITED WAS CLEAN, IT WAS, UM, THOUGHTFULLY, UM, LAID OUT AND THEY DID HAVE THEIR NECESSARY, UM, UM, PERMITS THAT THEY NEEDED IN ORDER TO OPERATE. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU ARE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL GO ON TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN, UH, WHICH HAS COME OFF CONSENT. 
          ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN? YES, SIR. 
          GREAT. 
          THIS IS CASE, UH, Z 2 23 3 14. 
          IT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP AT 1730 LOCATED AT 400 SOUTH NER. 
          THE REQUEST, UH, IS A RENEWAL OF, UH, THE SUP FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, UH, FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT TO BE USED AS A PRIVATE CAR. 
          IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD AND KIPLING DRIVE. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY 33,000 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S, UH, LOCATED WITHIN BOTH PD 360 6 AND AN IM, UH, WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY. 
          UM, WHICH THE LOCATION, UH, REQUEST DETAILS ARE, UH, TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT TO BE USED AS A PRIVATE CLUB BAR. 
          AND THE, UH, REQUEST IS FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS. 
          AND, UH, NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED AT THIS TIME OR, UH, NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED OTHER THAN THE TIME LIMIT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR, UH, THE THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL THREE PERIODS, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. 
          THANK, THANK YOU QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER? 
          [01:35:02]
UH, YES. 
          THIS IS THE FAR WEST NIGHTCLUB, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I I, I'M AWARE THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR NIGHTCLUB HAS HAD A CHECKERED HISTORY IN THE PAST. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE CRIME STATISTICS? UM, I WAS UNABLE TO GET CRIME STATISTICS FROM, UH, FROM PD. 
          UH, I CAN WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO GET THOSE . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE PAST WITH, UH, WITH DRUG SALES GOING ON AT THE LOCATION AND THERE WAS SOME LEGAL ACTION TAKEN, SO I WAS, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, DID YOU NOTICE OR ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEIR WEBSITE SAYS THEY OPEN AT 10:00 AM ON CERTAIN MORNINGS, BUT OUR, UM, SUP CONDITIONS SAY THEY OPEN AT 11:00 AM THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT MADE TO REFLECT THE WAY THEY'RE OPERATING. 
          I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT WE CAN ADJUST THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I THINK A COUPLE OF US DID REQUEST THE CRIME STATS. 
          UH, I DID RECEIVE 'EM FROM THE APPLICANT AND I, I THOUGHT I FORWARDED THEM TO YOLANDA. 
          I MAY NOT HAVE. 
          SO I WILL DO THAT NOW SO ALL OF US CAN HAVE A COPY OF, OF WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? YES, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, WHAT WAS THE CURRENT TIMEFRAME OF THE CURRENT SUP, IF YOU DON'T MIND? UH, IT'S, IT WAS THE SAME AS THREE YEARS WITH, UH, THREE YEAR AUTOMATIC. 
          THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, UH, DATE WAS, WAS MISSED FOR THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE. 
          I'M SORRY, I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, ESPECIALLY IN THE ABSENCE OF, OF THE CRIME DATA AND THE, AND THE HISTORY AS WELL. 
          I'M ASSUMING IF, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE CRIME DATA THAT YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THE SITUATION. 
          SO, UH, MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE RATIONALE FOR AUTO RENEWALS, BUT SINCE MY QUESTIONING THAT WOULD BE PREDICATED ON THE CRIME SITUATION, THEN , I'M, I'M GOING NOWHERE WITH THIS QUESTION, SO THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL KEEP GOING. 
          AGAIN, THAT ONE HAS COME OFF. 
          CONSENT NUMBER EIGHT, GOOD DAY. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE Z 2 23 DASH THREE 15. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE. 
          THREE, UH, DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH, UH, HISTORIC 90 OAK CLIFF UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EAST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AND SOUTH. 
          UH, MARCELLUS, UH, AVENUE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, AERIAL MAP ZONING MAP. 
          UH, QUICK BACKGROUND. 
          IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH, UH, AN EXISTING VACANT BUILDING PREVIOUSLY USED AS A CHURCH, AN EXISTING VACANT BUILDING PREVIOUSLY USED AS A YOUTH CENTER AND AN EXISTING PARKING LOT TOTALING IN ONE POINT. 
          UH, SEVEN TWO ACRES IN SIZE. 
          OH, SORRY, QUICK DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS COMPARISON. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, GOING FROM REGIONAL RETAIL TO, UH, MU THREE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I KNOW THERE'S A HUGE HISTORICAL PIECE OF THIS. 
          UM, HAS THE APPLICANT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORICAL, UM, COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS BEFORE COMING HERE, OR WILL THAT FOLLOW? UH, THAT WOULD FOLLOW, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THE REQUEST FOR MU ZONING IS BASICALLY TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE 
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EXISTING RR ZONING? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, MY QUESTION'S ALSO ABOUT THE, UH, PROTECTED NATURE OF THE BUILDING. 
          'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A HISTORIC OVERLAY, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EXTENT OF THAT PROTECTION IS. 
          DO YOU KNOW IF THAT CON UH, INCLUDES THE EXTERIOR OF, OF ALL THE BUILDINGS, THE MAIN BUILDING, OR I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT? SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT IS THE EVERYTHING ON THE SITE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THE, THE CHURCH AND THE YOUTH BUILDING, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          MM. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CHERNO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER GOT TO ME F GOT THERE FIRST. 
          THOSE WERE BOTH MY QUESTIONS. 
          EXCELLENT, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? MR. CHAIR? YES, UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HANTON. 
          PARDON ME. 
          IS THIS GONNA BE TAKEN OFF OF CONSENT? AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE I, I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS ON HOW THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, UM, WOULD BE APPLICABLE AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE AN ANSWER. 
          UH, YEAH, SO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY ISN'T HANDLED BY THE ZONING TEAM THAT'S HANDLED BY OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION TEAM. 
          UM, THAT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS FROM THE ZONING, UM, THAT I BELIEVE WOULD GO TO LANDMARK COMMISSION. 
          I'M, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WORK FOR THAT, UH, TEAM, SO I'M NOT SURE OF THEIR PROCESS EXACTLY. 
          UM, IT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ZONING AND, UM, NOTHING ABOUT THIS ZONING CASE WOULD NECESSARILY IMPACT, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCESS. 
          BUT AT THIS TIME, DOES IT SOUND LIKE STAFF IS AWARE OF HOW THE PLAN AND THE PLANNED CHANGE IN THE ZONING WILL RELATE TO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY AND, AND THAT, THAT REVIEW, NONE OF THAT PRELIMINARY REVIEW HAPPENED, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THAT, THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN AS PART OF REVIEW OF THE ZONING CASE. 
          IT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS. 
          I THINK I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN LIKELY ANSWER THEM. 
          UM, IF WE COULD REMOVE THIS ONE, PLEASE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE'LL TAKE IT OFF THE CONSENT. 
          WE'LL HEAR THIS ONE INDIVIDUALLY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, AGAIN, THIS WILL BE, UH, DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY. 
          IT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER NINE. 
          GOOD MORNING CHAIR. 
          SHE DID. 
          HOW BRIEF OR A BRIEFING WOULD YOU LIKE ON THIS CONSENT ITEM? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          HOW BRIEF OF A BRIEFING WOULD YOU LIKE ON THIS CONSENT ITEM? A BRIEF BRIEFING PLEASE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS Z 2 2 3 DASH 3 43. 
          UM, IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 9 89, UM, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 31.53 ACRES. 
          UM, IT IS IN DISTRICT FIVE. 
          UM, I'M ASSUMING ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN PREVIEWED, SO I'M GONNA SKIP THROUGH ALL OF THIS STUFF, PLEASE. 
          AND ONE KEY PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF, UM, THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION ONLINE. 
          FOR SOME REASON, I HAD THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HIDDEN, AND SO I WILL REVEAL THAT TO YOU NOW. 
          UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REVISED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, I I GUESS I'LL START US OFF. 
          WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT SENT IN ASSIGNED TMP AND, UH, I THINK WE ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THIS MORNING? YES. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE COPIED ON THAT. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, I'VE COMMUNICATED WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME, BUT WE'VE COMMUNICATED ALREADY ABOUT FINAL SUBMITTAL ON THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER, MS. ALGAR, 
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I SENT YOU A, AN EMAIL QUESTION ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT DISD HAD SUBMITTED ABOUT THE USE OF THE LIGHTING. 
          WERE THEY STILL OKAY WITH THAT LIGHTING? YES, THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THEY HAD REQUESTED AND, AND, AND I SENT THEM THE CONDITIONS AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT, THAT THEY ONLY INTENDED TO USE THE LIGHTING ON THE FIELD FOR PRACTICES. 
          YEAH, THESE ARE PRACTICE FIELDS ON, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, , COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THERE'S A HUGE PARKING LOT AND IT PROBABLY WAS IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION ACROSS THE STREET. 
          IS THAT A PART OF THIS OR IS THAT A SEPARATE, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PARKING LOT BELONGED TO. 
          THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING PART OF THIS PROJECT. 
          . 
          UM, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMPARED TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, THIS, THIS, UH, SCHOOL IS SIGNIFICANTLY OVER PARKED AND THEY'RE BASICALLY TAKING THAT ENTIRE PARKING LOT AND TURNING IT INTO THE NEW SOFTBALL FIELD. 
          IT'S WONDERFUL. 
          YES, , THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MY NEXT QUESTION, GO AHEAD AND SAY IT ON THE RECORD, SIR. 
          BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, ARE WE PLANNING TO REMOVE THOSE OR, UM, I, I MISSPOKE EARLIER WHEN I SAID THE MOST EXCITING PART WAS THE PARKING LOT. 
          THE MOST EXCITING PART IS THAT THE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS, THAT'S ACTUALLY THEIR EXISTING COMMUNITY FAMILY SERVICE CENTER. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S GONNA MOVE INTO A PORTION OF THE PERMANENT ADDITION AND THEN THAT ENTIRE LOT WILL BE CONVERTED FOR PARKING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 10. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD DAY. 
          HOW WE DOING? AND, OKAY, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 18 APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH LINE OF CENTERVILLE ROAD BETWEEN GARLAND ROAD AND JUPITER ROAD. 
          UH, WE'LL BREEZE THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE COM, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL TO THE NORTH, UM, COMMERCIAL RETAIL TO THE EAST, UM, RESIDENTIAL RE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE SOUTH AND, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL AND ALSO COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS WELL AS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST. 
          UM, CURRENTLY A VACANT STRUCTURE PREVIOUSLY USED AS A GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE, UM, WITH AN EXISTING PARKING LOT AND LANDSCAPING. 
          AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT WITH, UH, USE WITHIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          SURE. 
          AND, UM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, THAT I WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UH, REALLY ADJUST THE, UH, SUP CONDITIONS FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO HONOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE NINE TO NINE, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND NINE TO 11 FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. 
          UM, NO OUTSIDE SPEAKERS WILL BE USED FOR ON THE, UH, SITE. 
          AND HERE'S A SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, UM, FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. 
          UM, MR. CLINTON, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE, UM, ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE ABOUT SKY PARK ADVENTURE, THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE THAT THEY DO SEEMS TO BE A, A FAMILY KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT CENTER, WHETHER YOU HAVE TRAMPOLINES, JUNGLE GYMS, PICKLE BALL, BUMPER, CARS, VIDEO GAMES, LASER TAG, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, WERE THERE TRAFFIC CONCERNS OR, UH, TRAFFIC PLANS TALKED ABOUT? UM, N NO TRAFFIC PLANS WERE NOT TALKED ABOUT? UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE, UH, THE APPLICANT IN THE SITE WITH THE EXISTING PARKING IS PROVIDING, 
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UH, I THINK IT'S 170, UH, SPACES. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT MORE DIRECTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WILL, MY, MY CONCERN IS THE NEIGHBORS ON CVILLE AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA INTERACT WITH THE TRAFFIC. 
          BUT, UH, THANK YOU LAQUAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING. 
          NUMBER 11, THAT ONE HAS COME OFF. 
          UH, CONSENT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          NO, ONE MOMENT. 
          OH WAIT, WRONG ONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 37. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION LOCATED ON THE EAST LINE OF SOUTHEAST 14TH STREET. 
          APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES IN SIZE, UH, IT'S OVER HERE ON THE FAR WESTERN END OF DALLAS, RIGHT BY GRAND PRAIRIE BY, UH, MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE. 
          THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF IT SURROUNDING ZONING. 
          IT IS IN AN R 7.5 A DISTRICT WITH AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT TO THE EAST. 
          UM, DIRECTLY SOUTH IS AN EXISTING ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION. 
          TO THE WEST IS A LARGE PD WITH A LARGE SUBSTATION AND THEN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AS WELL TO THE SORT OF SOUTHEAST OR SOUTHWEST AND FURTHER WEST. 
          UH, CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, THEY'RE PROPOSING BUILDING A BATTERY FARM, OR I THINK THE TECHNICAL TERM IS A BATTERY STORAGE POWER STATION. 
          UM, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN SUP FOR THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION WITH A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD NEAR THE SITE. 
          PHOTOS GENERALLY WE'LL JUST BLAZE THROUGH THIS AND THAT'S THAT LARGE PD WITH A LARGE SUBSTATION TO THE WEST. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE PHOTO, THE EXISTING SUBSTATION. 
          UH, THIS IS A LARGE VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN AND DETAILED VIEW AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS BRUTAL. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL FILED BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          SO A BATTERY FARM, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF BATTERIES THEY ARE? I DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE A, PARDON ME, A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT BECAUSE, BECAUSE MY, I JUST, MY CONCERN WAS, UH, ELECTRICAL FIRES, IF THEY WERE LITHIUM OXIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT. 
          YEAH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S LITHIUM ION OR SOME OTHER TYPE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY , BUT IT IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN USED IN OTHER AREAS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THIS CASE HAS COME OFF. 
          CONSENT COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          UM, IT IS THIS, I'LL GET TO THAT. 
          UM, SO MR. BATES, YOU ARE AWARE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT AND I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS RECENTLY AND THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS AND HE'S WORKING ON PROVIDING THAT ANSWER THOSE ANSWERS, RIGHT? CERTAINLY, YES, I'M AWARE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO WE ARE GONNA HOLD THIS CASE, UM, ADJACENT. 
          THIS IS A R SEVEN FIVE CURRENTLY, AND IT'S ADJACENT TO A LARGE R SEVEN FIVE THAT IS UNDERDEVELOPED. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE, LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP, SO THERE'S R 7.5 TO THE SOUTHWEST THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, UH, IN THE GENERAL, IN THE VICINITY OF WHERE IT IS ON THAT LOT. 
          UH, NOTHING AS FAR AS I COULD TELL IS DEVELOPED OR UNDER DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT IS PRETTY MUCH ALL GREENFIELD RIGHT NOW. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND IS THAT A WATER, UM, SUPPLY OR, OR LAKE OR WATERWAY NEARBY? YES, THAT IS, UH, MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE, I BELIEVE WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE OLD, UH, NAVAL AIR STATION IS TO THE FURTHER THE NORTHEAST. 
          HE SAID IT'S A MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE THAT IT, IT, UH, IT ABUTS? YES. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS CASE UNTIL, DID HE GIVE US A DATE? I THINK THE FIRST WEEK IN JUNE. 
          SECOND 1ST OF JUNE, YEAH, SECOND 1ST OF JUNE. 
          JUNE, JUNE. 
          JUNE 20TH. 
          JUNE 20TH. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          THANK YOU, JUDGE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THEN WE WILL KEEP MOVING. 
          GO TO CASE NUMBER 12, WHICH, UH, 
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IS ALSO GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 16TH. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE THAT BRIEF TODAY, COMMISSIONER, OR WE BRIEF IT THEN? UH, NO. 
          NO, WE DON'T NEED TO BRIEF TODAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THAT TAKES US TO 13 BACK TO DISTRICT EIGHT, MS. GARZA, THAT'S OFF CONSENT, THAT'S OFF CONSENT AS WELL. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13 IS KZ 2 34 1 46. 
          THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT. 
          IT IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST OF RAVEN V ROAD, NORTHWEST OF SEGAL ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 17.06 ACRES. 
          THIS IS ZONING MAP OF THE SITE. 
          THE AREA REQUEST IS UNDEVELOPED EXCEPT FOR ONE VACANT SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, WHICH, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED THAT THEY WILL BE, UH, DEMOLISHING WITH THE PROPOSAL ELEMENT TO THE APPLICANT. 
          AS I MENTIONED, UH, IS PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE TO REDEVELOP THE SITE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE SURROUNDING USES OF AROUND THE SITE. 
          THEN, UH, SO AS I MENTIONED THERE GOING, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, ZONING OF THE SITE IS, UM, CS TO THE NORTH END EXISTING, UM, R 10 A AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE WHOLE ENTIRE SITE TO AN R 7.5 A. 
          UH, IT IS UNDER THE I 23 RECORDER LINE. 
          USE THE APPLICANT REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE I 20 FREEWAY CORRIDOR LINE USE. 
          THE PROPOSED USE FITS THE CHARACTER, ENHANCES THE SENSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMERCIAL BLAIR, UM, THE CS. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          HOW ARE YOU? THE CS, UM, THE CS TO THE NORTH, IS IT DEVELOPED WITH ANY TYPE OF USE? NO, IT IS UNDEVELOPED. 
          IT'S A, IT'S ALSO UNDEVELOPED, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND THE, UM, SITE THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED, THERE IS NO OTHER MAJOR DEVELOP. 
          THERE'S SINGLE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE, BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN THAT COMMUNITY, IN THAT SURROUNDING AREA, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          NOW I'M NEED TO ASK A MATH QUESTION. 
          I THINK I NEED TO HAVE, UM, UH, MR. RYAN ANSWER THIS MATH QUESTION. 
          , YOU KNOW, I DON'T DO MATH IN PUBLIC. 
          UM, THIS 17 ACRES CHANGING THE ZONING TO R SEVEN FIVE. 
          HOW MANY, DO YOU KNOW HOW, HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THIS LOT AT 17 ACRES? THAT IS ACTUALLY REALLY HARD TO DO FOR SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST CONSIDERING MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER HOW MUCH OF THAT AREA IS TAKEN OUT FOR STREETS OR AMENITY CENTERS, OPEN SPACES, DETENTION, RETENTION PONDS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          SO YEAH, WITHOUT, UM, HAVING ALL THAT INFORMATION, UM, WE REALLY CAN'T PREDICT HOW MANY UNITS WOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          WE REALLY COULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNTIL PLATING. 
          UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS SEPARATE FROM THE ZONING PROCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUICK FOLLOW UP MS. GARZA. 
          CAN YOU TAKE US BACK, UH, TO THE SATELLITE VIEW AND JUST PUT THE, THE PROPERTY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CONTEXT ABOUT WHAT'S AROUND IT, PARTICULARLY TO THE SOUTH? SO TO THE SOUTH, UM, TO THE SOUTHWEST, IT IS THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT MOST, UM, PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN ACROSS ONTO THE SOUTH OF RAVEN ROOT, UH, VIEW ROAD, UM, IT IS UNDEVELOPED. 
          AND SO THE SINGLE FAMILY PIECE LOOKS SIGNIFICANT. 
          IS THAT R SEVEN FIVE? UH, RIGHT TOWARDS, ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHWEST. 
          THAT IS R 7.5 ACROSS RAVEN VIEW. 
          UM, IT IS R 10 A ON THE EAST SIDE, ON 
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THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, THE SOUTHEAST, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASS. 
          SO TOWARDS THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTHEAST, IT'S ALL RR 10. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH, UM, IT SEE US. 
          AND THEN, UM, PORTIONED OF THE NORTH NORTHWEST, UM, IS R 10, BUT RIGHT ADJACENT, UM, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, UM, THE SUBDIVISION THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE IS R SEVEN FIVE. 
          R SEVEN FIVE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING TO NUMBER 14. 
          ALL RIGHT, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 14, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 53. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 1 1 1 FOR A COMMERCIAL RETAIL USE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 2 69, LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF AN, THE INTERSECTION AT MAIN STREET AND EXPOSITION AVENUE. 
          UM, SIZE OF THE REQUEST IS APPROXIMATELY 5,227 SQUARE FEET. 
          I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT. 
          UM, REALLY QUICK, UH, SURROUNDING USES, UH, TO THE NORTH, THERE'S, UH, MIXED USE IN COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS WELL AS PD UH, 9, 9 7 AND PD 7 49 TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, MORE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS WELL AS PD 2 69 TO THE EAST COMMERCIAL RETAIL, UH, WITH SUP 1595 AND TO THE WEST COMMERCIAL RETAIL WITH PD 2 69. 
          UM, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE DEEP ELM SECTION OF DALLAS, UH, ABOUT 0.5 MILES FROM DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE, UH, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY A BODY PIERCING STUDIO AND A TATTOO STUDIO. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S ZONED UNDER, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 2 69. 
          UH, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE LAND USE OR THE SITE PLAN. 
          UH, THEY ARE THE CURRENT SUP EXPIRES MAY 22ND OF THIS YEAR, AND THEIR PREVIOUS SUP WAS FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          AND STAFF IS, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER HANON. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU SIR. 
          COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT. 
          WE'LL BEGIN TO CASE NUMBER 15 AND UPDATES FOR MR. PEPE. 
          GOOD DAY. 
          YES, I DO HAVE UPDATES ON THIS ONE. 
          APOLOGIES. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          OOF GIVING ME TROUBLE. 
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YOU CAN TELL I'M TRYING 'CAUSE IT'S TICK. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT TICKING AWAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          AS A REFRESHER, THIS IS Z 2 2 3 1 4 1 BEING LOCATED IN PRESTON CENTER IN THE, UH, PD THREE 14. 
          AND THEY'D BE CREATING A NEW TRACT WITHIN PD THREE 14. 
          I'M SKIP INTO THE UPDATES AND THERE WAS UPDATES TO A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE CONDITIONS. 
          THEY ADDED A REQUIREMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE FOR 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF LANDSCAPE TERRORIST OPEN SPACE. 
          THEY, UH, CHANGED THEIR GARAGE SCREENING NUMBER FROM 42 INCHES IN HEIGHT TO 46 INCHES IN HEIGHT. 
          UH, WHERE THEY UTILIZE, UM, WHERE, WHERE THEY UTILIZE GARAGE SCREENING, WHICH IN THAT IS TO SAY INSTEAD OF BUILDING, UH, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE IT AT 46 INCHES IN HEIGHT OF SCREENING. 
          UM, THERE ARE ALSO NEW CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE AND ENCOURAGE SHARED PARKING BETWEEN RETAIL AND OFFICE USES. 
          SO THOSE WERE IN THE DOCKET. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THOSE, BUT I WILL SHOW YOU THE, WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN IN THE DOCKET ARE HERE. 
          THESE ARE SHARED PARKING, UM, CONDITIONS THAT TALK ABOUT, UH, SH YOU KNOW, SHOULD THEY MAKE USE OF THE, UH, RE PARKING REDUCTION THAT IS IN THE BUILT INTO THE PD. 
          UH, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE THINGS. 
          UH, HOWEVER, SETH HAS NEW CHANGES SINCE THE DOCKET. 
          THESE HAVE NOT BEEN DISTRIBUTED, UH, BUT I AM HAPPY TO PUT THEM FORWARD FOR YOU TODAY. 
          UH, NEW LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ELIMINATE, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE PARKING REDUCTION BUILT INTO THE PD THAT TIES INTO THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE. 
          UM, INSTEAD THEY'D HAVE TO DO SHARING ON THEIR OWN SITE SHARING AMONGST THEMSELVES. 
          SO IT MODIFIES THAT PARKING LANGUAGE THAT YOU SAW IN THE, UH, IN THE DOCKET. 
          AND THEN IT SAYS BASICALLY THE PD 3 1 4 1 0 8 C TWO, WHICH IS THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE REDUCTION THAT APPLIES TO ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE. 
          IT DEACTIVATES THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS, THIS TRACT. 
          AND THEN IT SAYS THAT THEY GET A, UH, SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, UH, SIMILAR IN SCALE TO THAT ONE. 
          UH, SHOULD THEY DO SHARING ON THEIR SITE SIMILARLY TO HOW THEY DESCRIBED IN THE DOCKET WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE OPEN PARKING IN THE EVENINGS FOR THEIR RETAIL USES, UM, WHERE THEY, THEY'VE PARKED THEIR OFFICE AT AT HIGHER, IF THEY SHOULD, THEY PARK, PARK THEIR OFFICE AT HIGHER RATES. 
          THEY CAN SHARE THAT BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND THE RETAIL, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, HAVING A VALET ONSITE FOR THOSE SAME TIMES WHERE THEY CAN, UH, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE THE ONSITE GARAGE RATHER THAN OTHER GARAGES, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, ESPECIALLY FOR THE RETAIL AND ALLOWING THEM TO, TO CHARGE FOR PARKING, UH, REQUIRED PARKING IN THE GARAGE ON THEIR SITE. 
          UH, BUT THAT WAS ON THE, IN THE DOCKET, BUT WE REMOVED AROUND SOME OF HOW THE BULLET POINTS WORK. 
          AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVALS SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          THANK YOU MR. PEPE. 
          JUST WANTED TO SORT OF RUN THROUGH THIS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. 
          SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, UH, WE WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE PARKING ISSUE AND, UH, AND THE, UH, DIFFICULTY SURROUNDING OWNERSHIP RELATED TO THE PARKING CORPORATION, THE PARKING GARAGE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S CORRECT, ISN'T IT, THAT WE FOUND OUT DURING THE COURSE OF DISCUSSIONS THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT ACTUALLY HAD SUFFICIENT PAR EXCESS PARKING TO MEET HIS OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE SIGNIFICANT MORE THAN A THOUSAND SPACES ON THEIR OWN SITE. 
          UH, THESE PROVISIONS JUST ENCOURAGED 'EM TO SHARE, UH, THEM BETWEEN THE USES TO THAT RETAIL CONCERN. 
          SO IT WAS, WE WERE NO LONGER REQUIRED TO T TIRE, UH, TIE HIS PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN WITH THE, UH, THE CENTER, UH, PARKING GARAGE. 
          NOT WITH THIS BRIEFED LANGUAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT WITH THE CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT ELIMINATES THE LINK BETWEEN THE, THIS PROPERTY AND THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE APPLICANT AGREED, WE CAME TO THE AGREEMENT TO DO THIS BY, WHAT DO YOU CALL YOUR SHARED PARKING? YES. 
          WHERE HE WOULD OPEN IT UP IN THE EVENINGS ON THE WEEKENDS AND DURING HOLIDAYS AND STUFF. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND HE'S GONNA HAVE TWO VALET, UH, LOCATIONS TO ADDRESS PARKING AND RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS, UH, LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN ADDITION OF, UH, MORE GREEN, MORE GREENERY, MORE, UH, THE TERRACE, UH, 30,000 EXTRA SQUARE FEET, UH, OF THAT. 
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AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONS TO, UH, IMPROVING SIDEWALK INTERFACES BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND DRIVEWAY AND, UH, CLARIFICATION AND DIFFERENT MATERIALS, ET CETERA. 
          YES, THEY DID CON CONSOLIDATE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST SIDEWALK, UH, QUALITY SECTION NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MR. PEPE. 
          I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THAT I HAD THE LAST TIME THIS CASE WAS HEARD ABOUT. 
          UM, THE STAFF, THE STAFF REPORTS VERY STRONG. 
          UM, LANGUAGE SAYS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES, UM, YOU KNOW, FACING THE, THE CORE OF, OF THE, THE PRESTON CENTER. 
          BUT THE LANGUAGE IN THE PD SAYS THAT THERE JUST HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, GROUND FLOOR BUILDING AREA THAT ARE RESERVED FOR STREET ACTIVATING USES. 
          AND BY THE DEFINITION OF STREET ACTIVATE, STREET ACTIVATING USES IN THE PD. 
          UM, THAT COULD BE ALMOST ANY USE, IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE USE. 
          IT COULD BE HOTEL, IT COULD BE, UH, INTERPRETED TO BE ALMOST ANYTHING. 
          WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION MADE OF TIGHTENING UP THE, THE LANGUAGE HERE TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING PROMISED THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE USES THERE? RIGHT? YEAH, NO, GOOD QUESTION. 
          IT'S THE STREET ACTIVATING USES MEANS USES, OFFERING PRODUCTS OR SERVICES IS THE GENERAL PUBLIC, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO USES IN THE RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE CATEGORY AND LODGING USE CATEGORY. 
          OUR, OUR GOAL NOT NECESSARILY IS TO SAY THERE MUST BE SPECIFICALLY RETAIL, UM, AT THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THERE MUST BE STREET ACTIVATING USES BECAUSE THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE, THE PD. 
          THAT'S WHAT WALK ENCOURAGES WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT IS STREET ACTIVATING USES. 
          SO WE, WE DO LEAN ON THAT DEFINITION, UH, AND WE DID NOT HAVE CONVERSATION THAT SAID IT MUST BE ONLY RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE USES, BUT BY THE, UM, LANGUAGE AND THE PD DEFINITION, A HOTEL COULD, COULD MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          THAT IS ONE OF THE LODGING, UH, USES. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD REMIND THAT 40,000 IS A VERY AGGRESSIVE NUMBER, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE DIAGRAM OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY ENTAILS IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          SO A BROAD, A BROAD DEFINITION LENDS ITSELF TO THAT. 
          I WOULD SAY COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. PEPE, THAT 40,000 SQUARE FEET, DOES IT INCLUDE, UH, ANY OF THE RETAIL THAT ALREADY EXISTS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? IT DOES. 
          SO 40,000 SQUARE FEET RETAIL, OR LET'S CALL IT STREET ACTIVATING USES TO BE COMPLETELY ACCURATE, NEEDS TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          AND THE ENTIRETY OF THE WESTCHESTER FRONTAGE NEEDS TO BE STREET ACTIVATING USES. 
          THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY TWO DIFFERENT, UM, PROVISIONS. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT IS YOUR INCENTIVIZED TO PUT YOUR 40,000 SQUARE FEET IN, IN THE ONE FRONTAGE WHERE YOU GOTTA HAVE IT. 
          UM, BUT IT DOES INCLUDE THE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL IN THE NORTH PORTION. 
          IT'S NOT THE END OF MY ANSWER, BUT I'M THINKING FOR A SECOND . 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT 40,000, YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPHIC PRETTY AGGRESSIVE NUMBER, BUT SO YOU, WILL IT INCLUDE WHAT'S ON THE GROUND FLOOR? CS THE C VS. 
          C-V-S-C-V-S WOULD PROBABLY REMAIN, TARGET'S ARE NOT ON THE GROUND FLOOR. 
          UH, CORRECT. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T COUNT. 
          BUT YOUR CVS WILL COUNT. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE WERE OKAY WITH AN AGGRESSIVE NUMBER BECAUSE THEY CAN USE SOME OF THEIR, THEIR FIRST FLOOR RETAIL USES ON THE NORTH SIDE TO COUNT TOWARDS THIS. 
          BUT YOU, IF YOU JUST PUT THE CVS IN THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA REACH 40,000. 
          YOU NEED TO BUILD OUT SOME ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OR, OR ELSEWHERE. 
          BUT AT THE SAME RATE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE FRONTAGE HAS TO BE STREET ACTIVATING USES. 
          SO IT, IT'S, THERE'S TWO LAYERS TO IT. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE REALLY BIG NUMBER, IF TALKING ABOUT AN ACRE OF RETAIL OR STREET ACTING USES, THAT'S WHY IT INCLUDES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, MR. PEPE, YOU SAID THAT THE, THE NEW LANGUAGE ABOUT PARKING HAS BEEN AGREED TO BY THE APPLICANT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THIS WAS PROPOSED OBVIOUSLY AFTER THE POINT OF POSTING OF THE DOCKET, BUT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS LANGUAGE AS IT AS IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, SECOND QUESTION, UM, ON THE, THIS TOPIC OF THE 40,000 FEET OF STREET REACTIVATING USES, UM, AND IT BEING, UH, APPLIED TO WESTCHESTER, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT USE STREET ACTIVATING USES ON LUTHER, UH, EXTENDING TO THE WEST FROM WESTCHESTER? 
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I WONDER IF I PUT MY GRAPHIC WITH THE, WITH WHAT, UH, WHAT 40,000 LOOKS LIKE? YEAH, THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT REQUIRING IT ON LUTHER. 
          IT'S NOT AN ESTABLISHED, UM, PATTERN ON LUTHER AT THIS TIME. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY INTEND TO PUT SOME FACING LUTHER THERE. 
          UH, BUT WESTCHESTER WAS THE FOCUS. 
          UM, AND SO WESTCHESTER HAS A REQUIREMENT TO BE STREET ACTIVATING USES. 
          IF YOU WANNA MEET THAT 40,000, YOU MAY HAVE TO SPILL SOME ONTO LUTHER, UH, BERKSHIRE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          BUT WESTCHESTER WAS THE PRIORITY IN OUR CASE. 
          BUT OUTSIDE OF THE REQUIREMENT, I UNDERSTAND THEY DIDN'T HAVE SOME FRONTAGE THERE PLANNED. 
          DOES, DOES THE, THE, THE SUBDISTRICT AS WRITTEN ALLOW FOR SOME OF THAT 40,000 TO BE APPLIED TO LUTHER? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, 'CAUSE WE, SORRY, ANYWHERE IN THE TRACT NEEDS, WE NEED A COLLECTION OF 40,000 SOMEWHERE IN THE, BUT WE ALSO NEED ALL OF WESTCHESTER TO BE STREET ACTIVATING. 
          THOSE CAN INTERSECT OR BE KIND OF SEPARATE. 
          I THOUGHT YOUR, I THOUGHT THE EXHIBIT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE WAS A DEPICTION OF 40,000 FEET. 
          THAT IS YES. 
          AND I WANT YOU TO SEE WHAT 40,000 LOOKS LIKE. 
          IT'S A GOOD PORTION OF THE BLOCK. 
          UM, I DIDN'T MEAN BY THIS GRAPHIC TO SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT 40 K MUST BE ON WESTCHESTER. 
          SO CAN, UH, FEASIBLY THEY COULD HAVE A SMALLER, UH, RETAIL DEPTH, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          BECAUSE, AND THEN SPREAD SOME OF THAT AROUND. 
          WELL, I JUST THINK THAT THE, THE POINT IS THERE'S AS MUCH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON LUTHER AS THERE IS ON WESTCHESTER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, FOOT TRAFFIC FROM THE OFFICE BUILDINGS WEST OF DOUGLAS INTO THE CENTER FOR LAUNCH, ET CETERA. 
          AND SO TO THE EXTENT THERE CAN BE, UM, ENCOURAGEMENT TO ACTIVATE LUTHER, I THINK WE'D HAVE A BETTER PROJECT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I I DIDN'T WANT TO MANDATE IT DOWN THERE. 
          I DO THINK THEY HAVE SOME PLAN FOR IT, UM, AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          UH, BUT IF THERE'S ANYWHERE I CARED TO MANDATE IT, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ON WESTCHESTER, WHERE IT'S AN ESTABLISHED RETAIL CORE. 
          UM, I'D RATHER GIVE THEM INCENTIVE TO DO IT, OTHERWISE. 
          QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. RIPPY. 
          AND, UM, I SAW THAT YOU DO HAVE A SLIDE ON THE, THE NEW LANGUAGE FOR THE PARKING AND, UM, I DON'T WANNA GO DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE TOO FAR, BUT IS IT THE NEW NEW LANGUAGE, THE NEW NEW LANGUAGE? NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER HALL, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU SPED READ THAT, IS, IS THAT INCLUDE THE NEW, NEW LANGUAGE ON THE PARKING? YES. 
          . 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          CONVERS CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED WITH HIM TODAY. 
          I THINK THE ONLY CHANGE FROM THAT IS THAT WE KIND OF SAY PARKING IS AVAILABLE, UH, AFTER FIVE AND 24 HOURS. 
          WE SAY IT TWICE. 
          THE ONLY DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IS THIS SLIDE THAT I PREPARED, UH, LAST NIGHT, UM, HAS THAT ON THERE TWICE. 
          BUT I THINK THAT WE MIGHT STRIKE THE DUPLICATIVE THINGY THERE. 
          BUT OTHERWISE IT'S NEW, NEW  . 
          IT'S THE NEW ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'LL, WE'LL CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT AT THE, AT THE HEARING. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          IT'S 1205 COMMISSIONERS. 
          WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR, OUR LUNCH BREAK? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A, A WORKING LUNCH. 
          LET'S TAKE 15 MINUTES AND WE CAN BRING OUR LUNCHES BACK IN HERE. 
          UH, 15 MINUTES. 
          1205. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS IS 1227 AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          MOVING ON TO CASE NUMBER 16. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS, I BELIEVE WE'VE BRIEFED THIS ONE BEFORE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE, BUT DO WE, WE HAVE UPDATES? YES. 
          I WILL TELL PLEASE THE UPDATE, SO LONG SHORT OF IT IS THE UPDATE IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THEY OFFICIALLY AMENDED TO TOWNHOUSE THREE DISTRICT, AND I CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION ON TOWNHOUSE THREE, WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THAT WOULD BE, BUT IT WOULD CHANGE THEIR NATURE OF THEIR REQUEST AND WHAT THEIR, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY COULD BUILD BECAUSE THEY WERE, UM, PROPOSING A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. 
          NOW THEY'D BE, UH, LIMITED GENERALLY TO A SINGLE FAMILY TYPE PROJECT, UH, UNDER TH THREE. 
          UH, WITH THAT SAID, AS DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT, THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS STILL APPROVAL OF MF TWO STAFF STILL FINDS IT APPROPRIATE ON THE SITE, BUT WE DO NOT OBJECT TO THE TH THREE TOWNHOUSE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          UH, UNDER THE NEW REQUEST 
          [02:20:02]
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, AND, AND AGAIN, MR. PIPPI, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING SETTLED IN, COULD YOU JUST MAYBE SUMMARIZE AGAIN THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS FOR A, AND THE APPLICANT HAS NOW PROBABLY AS A RESULT OF SOME CONCESSIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMING IN WITH B? YES, THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          SO AGAIN, THEY'VE AMENDED THE REQUEST OFFICIALLY ON THE RECORD FROM MULTIFAMILY TWO TO TH THREE BE LIMITED TO BASICALLY SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX USES IN TOWN HOPE. 
          AND THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF TH THREE, UH, STAFF DOESN'T OBJECT TO THAT, UH, CHANGE. 
          UH, BUT WE DO STILL FIND MF TWO MORE APPROPRIATE, SO WE CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND THAT, BUT WE WON'T OBJECT TO TH THREE. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? SO, UM, THANK YOU MR. PEPE FOR, UM, BRIEF IN THIS CASE AND BEING PATIENT WITH US. 
          UM, YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE HAD A COUPLE, A COMMUNITY MEETING ON THIS CASE SOMETIME AFTER FEBRUARY? I WAS THERE, YES. 
          YOU, YOU WERE THERE. 
          I REMEMBER SEEING YOU. 
          UM, AND AT THAT MEETING, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF CONTENTION AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, TO BE PUT ON THE LOT. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. 
          WOULD YOU SAY IT'S ACCURATE? OKAY. 
          REPRESENTATION FOR SURE. 
          SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS WAS MAYBE A COMPROMISE BY THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON, ON THIS PROJECT, CORRECT? YES. 
          IT WOULD BE LESS THAN, IT WOULD BE A, A LESS INTENSE DISTRICT. 
          IT WOULD BE MORE SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW OR LOOK OVER OR DISCUSS WHAT'S COMING? WELL, THIS, THIS INFORMATION ABOUT TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WAS IN THE PUBLIC DOCKET. 
          UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE DON'T THINK THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING SINCE THEN OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT'S ALL I KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LAST QUESTION. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE IN THE BEGINNING TO FEEL, TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY, UM, BUT HAD SOME ISSUES, UM, WITH GRADING AND OTHER, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE THINGS WERE TAKEN CARE OF OR DISCUSSED? WELL, YEAH, AS THEY EXPRESSED IN THE PAST, UTILITY GRADING AND ACCESS ARE KIND OF THE LIMITATIONS IN THEIR VIEW. 
          JUST SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ON THE SITE. 
          NOW, THAT MAY BE, UH, LET'S SAY MITIGATED, UH, BY A SHARED ACCESS EA SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT STYLE, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY FEASIBLE UNDER A TH THREE, UH, WHEREAS IT MAY NOT BE, UH, AS FEASIBLE IN THE, UH, EXISTING ZONING BECAUSE OF THE LOT SIZE. 
          UM, SO IN THIS CASE, I WOULD SAY THAT THE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT MIGHT, UM, MAKE DEVELOPMENT MORE, MAKE DEVELOPMENT MORE FEASIBLE FOR THEM GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT THEY STATED UNDER A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH SHARED ACCESS. 
          NICE. 
          LAST QUESTION. 
          UM, THIS DEVELOP THE KEY ROAD IS KIND OF LIKE BUCKNER, THE, THE HOMES AND, AND BUILDINGS SIT, UM, BACK WAY BACK OFF OF THE STREET. 
          UM, WOULD THIS DEVELOPMENT HAVE TO FOLLOW BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY OF ANY TYPE? YES. 
          BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY WOULD APPLY ON BOTH OF THE, UH, TWO, THE TWO STREETS. 
          IT OBVIOUSLY HAS TWO STREETS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS ON THEM, UH, DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT, BUT IT HAS TO BE THE 30 ON GUADALUPE AND 25 ON KEITH BECAUSE OF THE TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS ON THOSE TWO DIFFERENT BLOCKS. 
          UH, BUT THOSE IMP IMPLY A FRONT SETBACK. 
          AND THEN TH WHEN IT BORDERS IN OUR DISTRICT WITH A GREATER SIDE SETBACK IMPLIES THE SAME SETBACK, UM, FROM THAT OUR DISTRICT TO ONTO THIS TH DISTRICT. 
          SO THAT'S FIVE ASIDE FROM THE R SEVEN FIVE AND SIX FROM THE ARTS HEN. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND LASTLY, UH, I SAID THAT BEFORE, UM, THE, UM, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT I SAW DID NOT HAVE THE HOMES FACING KEITH, THE MAIN STREET. 
          UM, UM, IS, HAS THAT BEEN TALKED ABOUT OR IS THAT GOING TO BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN LEGALLY DO? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT LIMITS THEM FROM DOING THAT. 
          UM, THE PLAN THAT I SAW, I THOUGHT DID HAVE THEM FACING, HAVE SOME HOMES FACING KEITH. 
          NOT ALL, UH, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A WRAPPED AROUND, UM, ACCESS. 
          AND I'M GONNA SAY THAT'S COMPLETELY SPECULATIVE. 
          THIS IS THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT IT DOES HAVE THAT PLAN HANDY FOR ME, UH, THAT I JUST WANTED TO HAVE FOR YOUR, SO IN, IN THAT CASE, THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THEY HAD HOMES. 
          I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. 
          MAYBE THE FRONT DOOR FACING 
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EAST. 
          IT'S KIND OF, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE INFEASIBLE FOR THEM. 
          UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING THEIR ACCESS DRIVES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN REGARDS TO THAT UNDER A TH DISTRICT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OPPOSITION, UH, EMAILS IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS. 
          UM, SO, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE, THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE. 
          MR. PEPE, THAT PRESENTATION YOU JUST FLIPPED THROUGH, IS, HAS THAT BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO US, OR WILL WE SEE THAT AT THE HEARING? NO, IT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, IT'S ACTUALLY THEIR PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL SEE IT AT HEARING PROBABLY, UM, YEAH, I, I PRESUME SO. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE I GOT IT IN TIME FOR EVERYONE TO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MR. PAP TAKES US TO NUMBER 17. 
          ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THIS ONE? THERE'S ANY UPDATES? THIS IS THE ONE WHERE YOU WANT, CAN I GO OVER THE PHOTOS? OH, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THIS 
          [17. 24-1449  An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District on property zoned an R-5(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Hendricks Avenue, east of South Denley Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Jack Rowe Representative: Rik Adamski Planner: Martin Bate U/A From: January 18, 2024, February 15, 2024, and March 21, 2024. Council District: 4 Z223-300(MB)]
IS CASE Z 2 2 3 DASH 300. 
          UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE TH THREE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF HENDRICKS AVENUE, EAST OF SOUTH DEADLY DRIVE, 7,200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF UPDATES, UH, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES TO THIS REQUEST OVERALL. 
          I DID WANT TO GO THROUGH AND SHOW, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL STREET VIEW PHOTOS. 
          I THINK JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION BASED ON DISCUSSIONS FROM THE LAST TIME, THIS WAS BEFORE THE BODY, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I THINK WAS AROUND KIND OF THE ENVELOPE AND SIZE OF THIS, UH, WHAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED ON HERE. 
          AND I THINK THE GENERAL CHARACTER THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SO WE HAD, THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREA, UH, USING STREET VIEW. 
          I DID PULL UP A FEW DIFFERENT, UM, EXAMPLES OF SOME LARGER TWO STORY HOUSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT. 
          UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ALONG THE SAME BLOCK. 
          UM, THIS WOULD BE A 30 FOOT MAX HEIGHT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A TWO STORY HOME ON THAT BLOCK, UH, FURTHER DOWN A COUPLE BLOCKS. 
          WEST IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ONE. 
          THAT'S KIND OF TWO STORIES. 
          AGAIN, THE R FIVE DISTRICT, UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S QUITE TWO STORIES IN TERMS OF FLOORS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S, UH, KIND OF LATITUDE IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DIRECTION AS WELL OF WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON HERE. 
          UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          AGAIN, THERE'S THE COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH THAT ABUTS THIS SITE. 
          UH, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE USES OF, UH, THAT ARE AROUND THERE. 
          OVERALL, THE COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT OF THE NORTH, THERE'S STILL A FAIR AMOUNT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND OR CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT APPEAR TO BE VACANT, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT IS ACTIVE. 
          UH, AND WE ALSO WANTED TO SHOW THE, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE MORRELL STATION, MORRELL DART STATION. 
          UH, IT'S ABOUT 0.3 MILE OR SIX MINUTE WALK FROM THE SUBJECT SITE. 
          UH, AND ADDITIONALLY THERE IS THE DALLAS ZOO STATION. 
          IT'S A FURTHER WALK, BUT IT IS STILL, YOU KNOW, YOU'D SAY IT'S PRETTY WALKABLE, UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, NOTHING THERE HAS CHANGED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE ME AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION AS WELL. 
          IF POTENTIAL DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT COULD BE VOLUNTEERED, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THOSE. 
          IF THE BODY WOULD LIKE, DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WILL BE HERE TO OFFER THOSE? THEY'LL BE HERE AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL OFFER THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I SEE THAT THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION THERE ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE PICTURES. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UH, SO YOU KNOW, IT, IT 
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APPEARS FROM THE PICTURES AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO VISIT THE AREA AND SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME, UH, DRIVING AROUND THERE. 
          THIS IS A IMPROVED STREET. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IS, UH, COMPLETELY, UH, FILLED OUT. 
          IN FACT, I THINK IT'S EVERYTHING IS NEW IN THE STREET, NEW RIGHT AWAY. 
          SAY AGAIN, THAT, THAT THE STREET IS NEW HERE. 
          IT'S BEEN REPAVED, IT'S BEEN APPROVED. 
          IT APPEARS TO BE, I WOULD SAY IT LOOKS, LOOKS NICE SINCE SOME OF THE STREETS WHERE I LIVE. 
          YES, IT'S MUCH NICER THAN MY STREET, I'LL TELL YOU. 
          UH, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF DART TO SOME OF OUR PROJECTS, AND IT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS SITE TO THE DART STATION IS MAYBE AT 32ND WALK, UH, YOU'D TO TWO MINUTES, A PRETTY QUICK MINUTE TO GIMME 30 SECONDS MINUTES, BUT GOOGLE MAPS, IT SHOWED ABOUT SIX MINUTES. 
          I WALK FAST AND YEAH, I THINK GOOGLE MAPS ALWAYS ERRS IN THE SIDE OF SHORT. 
          IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE, PERHAPS, BUT YES, IT WOULD BE MAYBE A FOUR MINUTE WALK. 
          UH, AND I WOULD THINK OF RATHER PLEASANT WALK AS WELL. 
          CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WALKABILITY IS HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S IMPROVED OVERALL. 
          SOMETHING COULD BE A QUARTER MILE AS A CROW FLIES, BUT IF YOU'RE WALKING ALONG A UNIMPROVED MEDIAN NEXT TO 70 MILE PER HOUR TRAFFIC, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA WANNA WALK THAT. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE'S PRETTY SUFFICIENT PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, UH, WALK TO THAT STATION WOULD BE. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS HERE? THE SIZE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY? I CAN PULL THAT UP. 
          I BELIEVE THE, I THINK IT'S A CITY STANDARD. 
          IF I WANNA SAY IT'S ABOUT 56 FEET. 
          PARDON ME, I HAVE TO GUESS. 
          I, I THINK IT WOULD BE ABOUT 56 FEET. 
          I CAN DO A QUICK MEASUREMENT ON AN AERIAL VIEW IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          IT'S A STANDARD SIZE. 
          IT'S A STANDARD SIZE, YES. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING. 
          ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, WE'LL JUST TAKE THE INDIVIDUAL CASES AND WE WILL BRIEF THEM BEFORE WE HEAR THEM. 
          UH, AND JUST A QUICK REMINDER, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME MOVING PARTS HERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING SOME CASES AROUND BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A REQUEST, THREE REQUESTS, IN FACT, FOR INTERPRETERS. 
          AND THE VERY LAST CASE, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CASE NUMBER 46, UH, IS GONNA BE MOVED UP IN THE DOCKET. 
          UH, I BEEN MADE AWARE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME YOUNG PEOPLE HERE, SO WE WANT TO GET THEM IN AND, UH, AND OUT, UH, NOT TO THE VERY TOP, BUT CLOSER TO THE FIRST PART OF OUR HEARING. 
          WE'LL MOVE THAT UP ONCE WE SEE THAT THEY'RE HERE. 
          AND WITH THAT, IT IS 1240 MORNING. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND WE WILL BEGIN OUR HEARING RIGHT NOW. 
          DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO, PRESENT DISTRICT THREE, PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE, PRESENT DISTRICT SIX. 
          PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          I'M HERE. 
          DISTRICT NINE. 
          DISTRICT 10. 
          PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT 11. 
          PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT 12. 
          PRESENT. 
          DISTRICT 13 HERE. 
          DISTRICT 14 HERE AND PLACE 15. 
          I AM HERE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HAVE A QUORUM. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 2ND, 2020 4, 12 40 2:00 PM COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE COPIES OF THE AGENDA. 
          THEY'RE RIGHT DOWN HERE AT THIS TABLE. 
          IF YOU NEED A COPY, WE WILL BE REFERENCING THIS, UH, THE AGENDA ALSO AT THE TABLE. 
          YOU'LL FIND THESE LITTLE YELLOW SHEETS. 
          UH, AT SOME POINT, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU COME DOWN AND FILL ONE OF THESE OUT. 
          YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT ON THE TABLE. 
          WE, WE REALLY DO NEED A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY. 
          UH, SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, ARE EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES. 
          UH, WE'LL, LIANA WILL KEEP TIME. 
          WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          I WILL ASK ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, ARE SPEAKERS ONLINE. 
          AS ALWAYS, STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU. 
          UH, AND ALSO PER OUR RULES. 
          UH, IN CASES WHERE THERE IS OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A, UH, THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED RIGHT INTO THE, UH, THE AGENDA WITH APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          WE WILL TABLE THAT FOR THE MOMENT, THEN WE'LL HIT RIGHT INTO THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. UH, CASES THREE AND FOUR WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE THREE OR CASE NUMBER FOUR, THEN WE WILL, UH, VOTE ON IT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          DOES ANYONE HERE LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASE NUMBER THREE OR CASE NUMBER FOUR? 
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READ THEM. 
          ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE NUMBER THREE ON PAGE, UH, ONE OR CASE NUMBER FOUR ON PAGE TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE IS AN IS M 2 34 DASH 0 0 5, AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          DISTRICT NUMBER 10 86 ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD AND SYLVAN AVENUE STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS M 2 34 DASH 0 0 8. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          DISTRICT NUMBER 5 51 ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF TOWN STREET AND SCHROEDER ROAD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MORMAN. 
          AND JUST, UH, FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS, IS ONLINE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER OF THESE TWO CASES? C ON COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IN THE MATTER OF THE MISCELLANEOUS DOCKET CONSENT ITEMS NUMBER M 2 34 DASH OH FIVE, AND M 2 34 DASH OH OH EIGHT, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR, UH, ZONING CASES, CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH CONSISTS OF CASES FIVE THROUGH 14 WITH CASES 7, 8, 11, 12, AND 13 HAVE BEEN PULLED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE VOTED ON AND DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY. 
          UH, THAT LEAVES CASES 5, 6, 9, 10, AND 14 WILL BE TAKEN UP IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES AND WE WILL PULL IT OFF. 
          SO IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASES NUMBER, UH, 5 6 9, 10 AND 14. 
          OKAY, WELL LET'S GET THOSE READ IN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          AFTERNOON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO END AN EXPANSION OF PLAN 11. 
          DISTRICT NUMBER 9 24 ON PROPERTY ZONE IN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AND PLAN 11, DISTRICT NUMBER 9 24 ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF LOWLAND DRIVE AND SOUTHWEST LINE OF CHARLES STREET, SOUTHEAST OF FERGUSON ROAD. 
          UH, THIS CASE IS Z 2 2 3 2 3 9. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM NUMBER SIX IS KZ 2 2 3. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 10 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGES AND CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE. 
          3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONE IN RRR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LAKE CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GRAY. 
          TRINITY FOREST WAY EAST OF OAKLAND DRIVE STYLE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM NUMBER NINE IS KZ 2 2 3 3 43. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO PLAN, DEVELOP, AND DISTRICT NUMBER 9 89 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH ST. 
          AUGUSTINE DRIVE IN GRADY LANE STATE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVISED AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVISED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM NUMBER 10 IS KZ 2 3 4 1 18. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN INSIDE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN ON DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTH LINE OF CENTERVILLE ROAD BETWEEN GARLAND ROAD AND JUPITER ROAD. 
          SITE. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIG FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SIDE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          ITEM NUMBER 14 IS CASE Z 2 34 53. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 21 11 48 BODY PIERCING STUDIO IN A TATTOO STUDIO AND PROPERTY ZONE TRACK DAY WITH IMPLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND AS POSITION AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON CASES? 5, 6, 9, 10, OR 14? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. 
          UM, IN THE MATTER OF, DO I NEED TO READ ALL THE CASE NUMBERS OR JUST 
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IN THE, UM, DOCUMENT, JUST SAY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS IS FINE. 
          UM, IN THE MATTER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 5, 6, 9, 10, AND 14, I MOVED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL. 
          UM, SUBJECT TO, UH, SUBJECT TO, OH MY GOD, CONDITIONS IN THE DOCKET, CONDITIONS THAT IN THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, NUMBER SEVEN, MR. KERR. 
          THIS CASE NUMBER SEVEN IS, UH, CASE C 2 2 3 3 14. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1730 FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT TO BE USED AS A PRIVATE CLUB BAR ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 6, THE BUCKNER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, AND AN IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD IN KIPLING DRIVE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. KERR. 
          UH, MR. BALDWIN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. 
          UH, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT, UH, REQUESTING A EXTENSION OF THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, AS COMMISSIONER CARBON BROUGHT UP, UH, THIS CLUB HAS HAD A CHECKERED PASSED. 
          UH, THE PREVIOUS OPERATOR IS IN JAIL AND IS NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CLUB. 
          UM, WE DID RUN CRIME STATS ON THIS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONER SHE DID WAS ABLE TO SHARE 'EM WITH YOU. 
          UH, WE FOUND NINE VIOLATIONS WITHIN 400 FEET OF THIS CLUB. 
          ONLY ONE WAS ATTACHED TO THIS CLUB WHEN THE PARKING LOT WAS A PUBLIC INTOX INTOXICATION, UH, ARREST. 
          ALL THE OTHERS WERE, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE ISSUES UP ON, ON BUCKNER AVENUE. 
          UM, THE OPERATORS ARE RUNNING A CLEAN CLUB. 
          UH, WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS. 
          WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS. 
          SO THIS COMES BACK AND WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S RUN PROPERLY. 
          AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS. 
          I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? NO ONE ELSE ON MY SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. 
          QUESTIONS FROM MR. BALDWIN? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. BALDWIN, THE, UM, SUP CONDITIONS SAY THAT THE CLUB CAN OPEN AS EARLY AS 11:00 AM BUT I NOTICED ON THE WEBSITE THAT THEY OPEN ON SOME DAYS AT 10:00 AM SO ARE YOU PROPOSING, UH, AMENDED HOURS IN THE SUP CONDITIONS? NO, MA'AM. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UH, ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE SUP CONDITIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL YOU'RE GONNA BRING THEIR OPERATING HOURS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS THEN, RIGHT? THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO APPLY THE OPERATING HOURS ON THE SUP NEEDS TO BE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND I'LL LET THEM KNOW THEY NEED TO UPDATE THEIR WEBSITE. 
          THANK YOU MEMBERS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER HERBERT? IS THERE A CONVERSATION OR A TALK ON, UM, SHORTENING THE SUP TIME FROM, FROM THE THREE YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED? I'M SORRY, I ALREADY, I I, WOULD YOUR CLIENT CONSIDER SHORTENING THE SUP, UM, FROM THE THREE YEAR ASK MY CLIENT WILL, EVEN IF MY CLIENT COUNTERPART WOULD ACCEPT, PUT THAT UP. 
          PLAN, COMMISSION, UH, STO ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 3 1 4. 
          I MOVE TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR AN SUP FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. 
          AND I HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU TO NO AUTO OKAY. 
          NO THANK YOU CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, YOUR COMMENTS CHAIR. 
          CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, I WANT TO THANK, UH, MR. BALDWIN AND, UH, IT IS TRUE THAT THIS, THIS SITE, UH, APPARENTLY THE, THE PREVIOUS MANAGEMENT HAD A, A SIDE BUSINESS GOING ON IN THIS, UH, AT THIS SITE. 
          AND HE IS NOW PAYING FOR IT. 
          UH, AND IRONICALLY, THE OWNER OF THIS BUILDING HAPPENS TO BE A PILLAR OF DISTRICT FIVE AND HAS BEEN AROUND, UH, THAT PART OF TOWN FOR PROBABLY 45 YEARS, UH, HAS SUPPORTED EVERY SINGLE CAUSE FOR 45 YEARS. 
          AND SO THIS WAS A, A TERRIBLE DISAPPOINTMENT TO HIM AND TO ALL OF US. 
          AND SO 
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I, UH, FULLY EXPECT THAT THAT HAS BEEN TURNED AROUND WITH THIS NEW MANAGEMENT TEAM. 
          AND EITHER WAY, WE'LL SEE THEM BACK IN TWO YEARS. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, SEEING AND NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR ADE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT TO, UM, APPROVE FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          MR. CLINTON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE Z 2 23 DASH THREE 15. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH H 90 OAK CLIFF UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, HISTORIC DISTRICT, OH, EXCUSE ME, OVERLAY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EAST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AND SOUTH MERC ME AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I SEAT THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. 
          ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS. 
          THIS IS A FAIRLY SIMPLE REQUEST. 
          THIS IS AN EXISTING CHURCH. 
          IT WAS BUILT IN 1915. 
          UM, IT OAK CLIFF UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED REGIONAL RETAIL WITH A HISTORIC OVERLAY, H 90 ON IT. 
          UH, MY CLIENT WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY WOULD JUST LIKE TO CHANGE THE BASE ZONING FROM REGIONAL RETAIL TO MIXED USE TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO HAVE RESIDENCES IN THE THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THIS IS HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO THE INSIDE OR, OR NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO OUTSIDE THE BUILDING OR THE GROUNDS UNTIL THEY GO TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION BEFOREHAND. 
          THE INTERESTING THING IS, UH, IN RESEARCHING HISTORIC DISTRICT 90, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, IT SAYS THAT IT CLEARLY HAS A STATE DESIGNATION PUT ON IN 1999. 
          AND THERE WAS A STATE, I MEAN A, A CITY LANDMARK PUT ON, BUT THE ONLY ORDINANCE LISTED IN THE, ON THE WEBSITE IS ABOUT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2004, BUT IT, IT REFERENCES THE H 90 DESIGNATION. 
          I'VE CONTACTED THE HISTORIC DESIGNATE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION DEPARTMENT ASKING FOR THE H 90, UH, REGULATIONS. 
          THEY SENT ME THAT SAME ORDINANCE BACK AGAIN. 
          SO SOMEWHERE IN THE BOWELS OF THE PRESERVATION DEPARTMENT THERE IS THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE. 
          I DID LOOK AT THE DESIGNATION FORM THAT WAS, UH, THE BASIS FOR THE ORDINANCE AND IT DOES TALK ABOUT PRESERVING THE BUILDINGS IN, IN THE AREA. 
          SO CLEARLY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL WE GO TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO A MIXED USE IN THE PROPERTY. 
          THE ONLY KNOWN, UH, ADDITION I'D NOTE TO THE BUILDING IS ABOUT A 70 SQUARE FOOT AWNING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THE BACK TO COVER, UH, A DOORWAY SO PEOPLE CAN GET IN THERE WITHOUT GETTING WET. 
          I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS. 
          I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND SUPPORT? ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN. 
          YOU COVERED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT I HAD INVESTIGATED ON THIS CASE. 
          . 
          SO THE INTENT IS TO RETURN TO LANDMARK COMMISSION WITH YOUR PLANS TO THEN EVALUATE THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJACENT OR WITH THE, UM, EXISTING PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN. 
          UM, I THINK I SPOKE WITH YOU EARLIER AND YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU HAD COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS YEAH. 
          UH, PROJECT. 
          UH, WE DID, WE DID SEND OUT 78, UM, UH, NOTIFICATIONS AND WE GOT 12 BACK THAT OPPOSED IT. 
          UH, AND THEY WERE BASICALLY SAYING, WE DON'T WANT MULTIFAMILY. 
          HA HAVE YOU EN HAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED THAT? NO, SIR. 
          YOU KNOW, WE SENT OUT OUR OWN LETTERS AS WE DO WITH ALL OF OUR CASES. 
          NEVER HEARD ANY, ANYTHING BACK. 
          UM, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND THE COUNCIL'S OFFICE AND THEY, THEY DID NOT KNOW OF ANY, UH, SO, UH, IF, IF THE, THE MAXIMUM MULTI NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WE CAN GET IN, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 50, BUT IT COULD BE THAT IT TURNS TO ALL OFFICE. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE JUST, WHAT THE ACTUAL END GAME'S GONNA BE FOR THIS. 
          WE JUST NEED THE FLEXIBILITY TO, UH, TO KNOW THAT REGIONAL RETAIL'S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER FOR THIS. 
          UH, DON'T KNOW WHY THAT DESIGNATION GOT IN THERE TO BEGIN WITH. 
          UH, BUT, UH, IT COULD BE MULTIFAMILY, IT COULD BE A MIX OF MULTIFAMILY RESTAURANT AND OFFICE. 
          WE DON'T KNOW YET. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER 
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WHEELER, PLEASE? SO I, I KNOW THAT THE RECOMMENDATION SOMEBODY, MIKE IS ON THIS CITY HALL. 
          I'M SORRY MA'AM. 
          I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          NO. 
          SO SOMEBODY, MIKE WAS ON IT MAKING A, A MAJOR BACKDROP ON OUR END. 
          UM, SO, UH, SO IF, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WANTING TO BE A MIXED USE, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN THE, UH, IN, IN, IN OUR, IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A, UH, TO KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE A MIXED USE PROJECT AND NOT JUST, AND A MULTI-FAMILY, I MEAN, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX TOTALLY. 
          THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE CO TO FINISH OUT THE, UM, THE COMMERCIAL, UM, THE COMMERCIAL PART OF THE BUILDING SO THAT IF HE CAN ENSURE THAT CAN KIND OF MEET WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO, UH, AND SENT IN. 
          THEY DIDN'T JUST WANT ALL MULTIFAMILY OR, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THEIR, IN THEIR AREA. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IF THAT QUESTION'S, FOR ME, IT'S A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE, SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          BUT I'M TOLD BY THE PLANNERS THAT THERE ARE INCENTIVES BUILT INTO THE MIXED USE THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHY, SOMETHING SOMEONE TOLD ME LAST WEEK, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT WE CAN STATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND MAYBE I'M, UM, AS FAR AS ON A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES ALSO FOR THE MIX FOR THE COMMERCIAL, UM, SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THERE IS A, A, A COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO THE MIXED USE. 
          AND MAYBE THAT IS, MAYBE THAT'S BETTER. 
          IS THAT TRUE? I MEAN, THEY'LL NEED A CO FOR THEIR USE, BUT IN TERMS OF CAN YOU DO IT IN A STRAIGHT ZONING, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, I THINK. 
          ARE WE STILL ON QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I, I, I THINK I WAS, I I DON'T KNOW THERE IS A LAB BACKDROP. 
          I THINK I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION WHEN WE GET TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          I I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF IT'S OKAY. 
          YOU CAN, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING, I THINK THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, NOT IN THIS CITY, BUT IN OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY DO HAVE A SEQUENCING, UH, COMPONENT WHERE YOU CAN'T DO X UNTIL YOU DO Y I'VE NEVER HAD THAT DONE HERE, BUT I THINK FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT OF YOU'RE IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, YOU CAN DO IT. 
          WE ARE NOT IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT I WILL POINT OUT TO THE COMMISSION THAT, UH, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, MIXED JUICE IS ENCOURAGED HERE AND, UH, YOU GET MUCH BY PROVIDING MIXED JUICE, YOU GET GREATER DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT IS WHAT ENCOURAGES THE MIXED JUICE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, IF THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. CLINTON? I THINK THERE WAS A, A PIECE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD. 
          YEAH, SO, UM, THERE ARE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUSES AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANT, UM, SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. 
          AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, INCENTIVIZED TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS BY RECEIVING, UH, BONUSES SUCH AS INCREASED DENSITY, INCREASED HEIGHT, AND UH, REDUCTIONS TO THE, UH, REQUIRED PARKING. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH WE CANNOT REQUIRE  APPLICANT TO ABIDE BY THIS, UM, STAFF WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE APPLICANT'S SET A STANDARD AND USE THIS SITE AND THIS CASE AS AN EXAMPLE FOR SUSTAINABLE HOUSING, UH, DESIGN AND CREATING A HIGH QUALITY LONG LASTING MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU. 
          JUST ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          I THINK DURING OUR BRIEFING IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UM, THIS IS A ZONING REVIEW AND THAT LANDMARK IS SEPARATE. 
          AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT LANDMARK, UM, HAS THEIR OWN SEPARATE REVIEW PROCESS, IS IT CORRECT THAT BOTH LANDMARK ORDINANCES AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCES ARE BOTH ZONING, ZONING OR LAND USE ARE BOTH ZONING? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. 
          BUT THE LANDMARK ORDINANCE IS ADMINISTERED BY A DIFFERENT TEAM IN A DIFFERENT PROCESS. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          IT, IT SEEMS THEY OFTEN SPEAK TO EACH OTHER, SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? 
          [02:55:09]
UH, SO I DID WANNA MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING THIS CASE NUMBER. 
          UH, SO I LIVE IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA ON THE CORNER OF DA UH, DEN. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE NEVER RECEIVED LETTERS FROM OWNERSHIP REGARDING THIS CASE. 
          ALL WE RECEIVED WAS A LETTER FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS REGARDING PNZ TODAY, AND IT WAS MORE THAN JUST TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP RIGHT, THERE'S A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS THAT CAME IN. 
          UH, WE'RE ALL AGAINST IT. 
          WE'RE, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE MULTI-FAMILY IN THIS AREA. 
          I, I'M AWARE THAT THE ZONING IS MF TWO AND IT'S RR BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY SUPPLY, WHETHER IT'S NEW DOWN DAVID STREET. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALREADY OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON MARS. 
          AND I'M AWARE THAT THOSE APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE, THEY DON'T REQUIRE SCREENINGS AND I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE LIVING CLOSER AND CLOSER AND CLOSER TO ANOTHER MIXED USE. 
          I DON'T WANT ANY MORE UNITS PRETTY MUCH IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS ANGEL DIAZ, 5 0 4 EAST 10TH STREET. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, I, SO WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, TAKE A STEP BACK COMMISSIONERS AND GO BACK TO OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          TRANSLATE. 
          WHAT IS HER NAME, DO YOU KNOW? OKAY, I'M GONNA TRANSLATE FOR, UM, THIS RESIDENT ACTUALLY HAS QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT TYPE OF APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CRIME WATCH GOING ON AND THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF ACTUAL RESIDENCE OR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M ASSUMING, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE HER NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? A DIAZ 5 0 4 EAST 10TH STREET. 
          5 0 4 EAST 10TH STREET? YES. 
          UH, NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. 
          I BELIEVE YOUR MIC IS OFF, MA'AM. 
          5 9 0 5 19 EAST 10TH, EAST 10TH STREET. 
          EAST 10TH STREET. 
          AND WHAT DID THEY ALL HAVE? THE SAME QUESTION. 
          THEY'RE ALL JUST UNIFIED AND THEY WON'T HAVE THE EXACT SAME QUESTION THAT A LADY BEFORE AND ALSO HAD LUCIA RIVERA DE 5 26 5, UH, 16 10TH STREET, 10TH STREET, GUADALUPE MENDEZ, AND HER ADDRESSES 108TH NORTH DENVER STREET, THAT WAS THE ROSA. 
          5 0 8 5 0 8 E, 10TH STREET E 10TH STREET. 
          . 
          SHE'S NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO TO DO. 
          SO BASICALLY THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY 
          [03:00:01]
REPRESENTING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT TO WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE FOR THIS NEW AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MR. PAUL, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, CLEARLY I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS HAPPENING AND I WOULD, UH, APPRECIATE IT IF THE COMMISSION WOULD GRANT A A 30 DAY, UH, POSTPONEMENT SO I CAN MEET WITH THEM AND SEE IF I CAN ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. 
          UH, CAN YOU TRANSLATE THAT FOR THEM PLEASE? SURE. 
          UM, THE, OKAY, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          COMMISSIONER FORSET, CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO THE, UH, NEIGHBOR? UH, WHY NOT PLEASE? UH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT WAS THE GUY'S NAME? THAT BOY'S NAME? ANGEL, SIR, HE HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          CAN YOU, , SO IF, IF YOU OPPOSE, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY PROPOSAL HERE FROM, UH, MR. BALDWIN, WHAT, WHAT DO Y WHAT WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO SEE THIS PROPERTY REDEVELOPED TO US? YOU DON'T HAVE TOBUT? I DON'T HAVE TO HOLD IT. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD JUST WANNA SEE MORE COMMERCIAL, JUST MAINLY COMMERCIAL. 
          UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN ISN'T REALLY THE TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY. 
          I MEAN, UH, I WOULD SAY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHAT TYPE OF MARKET THEY'RE GONNA GO FOR, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE AFFORDABLE MARKET RATE OR IF IT'S GONNA BE A PFC, WHICH IS A MIX OF BOTH. 
          UM, I JUST, WE JUST WANT TO BE AWARE OF LIKE WHAT TYPE OF TENANTS WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, THIS PROPERTY IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO OUR, ALL OF OUR HOUSES. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN CLEANING UP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE ALL WORK UP WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, WE WE'RE CLOSE TO BISHOP ARTS ENOUGH WHERE WE GET ENOUGH POLICE PRESENCE NOW. 
          UH, WE, I GREW UP THERE LIKE 23 YEARS OF LIFE AND, UH, THE LAST FIVE YEARS IT'S BEEN BETTER AND WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF TENANTS AND WHAT TYPE OF PRODUCT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE. 
          FAIR ENOUGH, QUICK QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MR. BALDWIN OR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          PARDON ME, PLEASE. 
          UM, I, IT IS GONNA BE, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, SO WOULD YOU, I'LL BE OPEN TO, UH, WAITING THAT 30 DAYS AND TALKING WITH THE, UM, UM, MR. BALDWIN AND, AND THEN COMING BACK. 
          WOULD THAT BE BETTER FOR YOU ALL? DO THAT? I THINK I'M, I'M TALKING TO THE, UH, THE GROUP THAT CAME IN. 
          OPPOSITION, THE YOUNG MAN COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          THE, THE INTERNET IS SPOTTY AND WE'RE NOT CATCHING YOUR QUESTION. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU CAN GIMME A CALL, I CAN PUT YOU ON SPEAKER. 
          LEMME CALL YOU NOW. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE YOUR MOBILE PHONE, I'LL CALL YOU NOW. 
          GIMME TWO. 
          HOLD ON. 
          GIMME TWO SECONDS. 
          LET ME, LET ME, OKAY, WELL SHE'S GETTING THAT, UH, HER PHONE. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          I'LL INTERPRET COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE. 
          I THINK SHE WAS ASKING WAS THE GROUP OKAY WITH THE 30 DAY HOLD? THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AND THAT'S WHAT I ASKED THEM AND THEY SAID THEY'RE FINE WITH THE 30 DAY HOLD. 
          I SEE A THUMBS UP. 
          COMMISSIONER , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, THEY HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. 
          UH, WHO IS GOING TO CONTACT THEM? IS IT GONNA BE MR. BALDWIN OR JUST EXPLAIN TO THE FOLKS THAT MR. WILL CONTACT THEM AND EXPLAIN TO THEM IN DETAIL WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE. 
          AND IN 30 DAYS THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND AND OPINE ON ON WHAT THEY HEARD. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SEE NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER S SHERN, YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? THANK YOU. 
          IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z 2 2 3 315, I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THIS 30 DAYS TO, SO THE, UH, APPLICANT CAN WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          COULD WE 
          [03:05:01]
POSSIBLY HOLD THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT TO A DATE CERTAIN JUNE 6TH IS IT TO JUNE 6TH? JUNE 6TH, HELD 30 DAYS? UH, OR JUNE 6TH. 
          JUNE 6TH. 
          CPC. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONER. 
          HONOR FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS? I HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY HESITANT TO HOLD THIS OVER BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE HERE TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TODAY TO DECIDE THAT. 
          I WANNA BE VERY RESPECTFUL TO THE OPPOSITION THAT CAME OUT. 
          UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO WORK WITH THEM. 
          UM, BUT HOLDING CASES OVER IS GETTING IS I BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT WE DO TOO EASILY. 
          AND I COULD SEE THAT MY FELLOW PLAN COMMISSIONERS WERE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND I WANTED TO BE ALSO RESPECTFUL FOR THEM TO HELP THEM COME TO A DECISION. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE THE ANSWER TODAY. 
          HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD LIKE, I WISH YOU LUCK WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? UH, VICE CHAIR WE WOULD FOLLOW. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE, THE OPPOSITION FOR COMING IN, THE YOUNG MAN FOR REPRESENTING THEM, UH, THAT WAS, UM, THAT'S NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THIS IS THEIR HOME JUST AS WELL AS IS OURS. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN FOR RESPECTING THAT. 
          HERBERT. 
          SO WHAT'S THE, THE LAST THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE EXTENDED FOR 30 DAYS. 
          YOU'RE GONNA MAKE YOUR DECISION TODAY? IT IS, IT IS. 
          JUST HOPING YOU COULD TRANSLATE FOR THEM OR USE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU ARE GOING TO EXTEND IT FOR 30 DAYS. 
          HE HE IS SUPPORTING YES. 
          THAT THEY, I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I, I THINK THEY LEFT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THEY LEFT, BUT I, MR. BALDWIN'S GONNA BE IN CHARGE, IN CONTACT WITH HIM. 
          HE DID GET HIS CONTACT INFO. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME TODAY? YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I, UM, I, I AM, I AM IN SUPPORT OF, OF US HOLDING IT, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS TIMES LIKE THIS THAT WE SHOULD HOLD CASES WHERE THERE WASN'T SOME TYPE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE ACTUAL APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO IN THESE CASES TO VOTE ON 'EM AND THE, AND THE, AND THE OPPOSITION IS NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT. 
          THEY JUST WANT TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION. 
          THOSE ARE THE TIMES THAT WE DO HOLD, ESPECIALLY DURING A TIME THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND THAT WE CAN LOOK AT A, A COMMON GROUND BETWEEN COMMUNITY AND AN APPLICANT. 
          WE DEFINITELY SHOULD HOLD AND NOT VOTE JUST BECAUSE WE MIGHT, BECAUSE WE, THE OPPOSITION CAME TODAY, THE OPPOSITION CAME AND NOT WITH THE FULL EXTENT THAT THEY NECESSARILY DON'T WANT ALL WITH NO, UM, UM, UM, MULTI-FAMILY. 
          WHAT THEY ARE WANTING IS MORE CLARITY AND THESE ARE THE TIMES THAT WE DO HOLD THE CASE. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T JUST PASS THEM BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE THAT THERE IS MORE INFO THAT THE INFORMATION WE GOT TODAY WAS JUST 100% SOLID. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SEE YOU. 
          NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          IT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 11. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 11, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 37. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 7.5. 
          A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF SOUTHEAST 14TH STREET, SOUTH OF SKYLINE ROAD. 
          STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS ITEM IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I DO. 
          ON KZ 2 3 4 1 3 7. 
          I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE JUNE 20TH, UM, CASE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          I HAVE SECONDED ANY COMMENTS AND NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES CASE NUMBER 12. 
          [03:10:04]
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 12, CASE NUMBER Z 2 34 DASH 1 42. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF EDGEMERE ROAD BETWEEN LONG HAVEN ROAD AND ROYALTON DRIVE. 
          STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 12, PAGE FIVE. 
          SEEING NONE COMMISSIONER'S. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I'M SORRY. 
          I'M ON THE, UM, I'M ON THE DOCKET TO SPEAK. 
          UH, MY APOLOGIES. 
          YES. 
          IS THIS MS. UH, MS. WINING? NO, THIS IS COOK CASEY. 
          OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST OF ALL, COULD YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, MA'AM? OH, SURE. 
          LET ME SEE. 
          OH, THIS ONE? WELL, THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE WHERE TO DO IT. 
          . 
          THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE TOGGLE THERE. 
          OH. 
          OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I SEE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          HI. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, ACTUALLY ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS AND I WERE INFORMED THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ITEM WAS GOING TO BE MOVED TO A LATER DATE, WHICH IS WHY MOST OF US ARE NOT THERE IN PERSON. 
          WAS THAT THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY 16TH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU NEED ME TO TALK NOW OR ON MAY 16TH? COMPLETELY UP TO YOU. 
          YOU CAN TALK NOW AND YOU CAN TALK THEN. 
          IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU. 
          IS IT APPROVED TO MOVE TO MAY 16TH? I, IT, IT WILL BE, YES. 
          IT IT, THE MOTION HAS NOT BEEN MADE. 
          THAT'S AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          GO AHEAD PLEASE. 
          YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, UM, NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN INFORMED WITH, HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH ANY DETAIL WHATSOEVER. 
          UM, WITH WHAT ENCORE'S INTENTIONS ARE, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, HOW BIG IS IT GONNA BE? THEY HAVE ASKED FOR THE LENGTH OF OUR BLOCK OF LAND. 
          SO, UM, IF THEY'RE INTENDING TO USE THE ENTIRE THING, IT'S GOING TO BE A MONSTROSITY. 
          UM, MANY OF US, THE AREA THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS A GREEN AREA WHERE BOTH WILDLIFE, UM, IT'S LEFT WILD IN, UH, FOR MONTHS AT A TIME AND IT'S FULL OF WILDLIFE AND, UM, IT'S ALSO THE NORTH HAVEN TRAIL. 
          AND SO MANY OF US MOVED THERE AND OR BUILT THERE FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON. 
          I HAVE A FENCE THAT IS SEE-THROUGH BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACE THAT WE WANT TO ENJOY. 
          UM, I AM IN THIS SITUATION WHERE I OWNED A HOME DOWN THE TRAIL PRIOR TO THIS ONE. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS ADJACENT TO A SUBSTATION AND THE HOUSE NEXT TO MINE WAS BACKED UP DIRECTLY TO A SUBSTATION. 
          WHEN ENCORE DID THEIR IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ONE, THEY TORE DOWN ALL OF THE GREENERY THAT COVERED THE TOWERS. 
          AND, UM, WHEN I MOVED OUT OF THAT HOME, I RENTED IT FOR MANY YEARS. 
          I JUST SOLD IT. 
          UM, I HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME KEEPING RENTERS IN THERE BECAUSE FIVE OUT OF SIX, UM, PEOPLE WHO WENT TO SEE IT IMMEDIATELY SAID, NO THANK YOU BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTATION. 
          AND THEN WHEN I WENT TO SELL THE HOUSE, I RECEIVED, IT WAS ALMOST A HALF AN ACRE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THOSE LOTS GO, THEY'RE VERY, VERY, UM, MARKETABLE TO BUILDERS. 
          AND I RECEIVED AT LEAST $200,000 BELOW MARKET VALUE IN COMP IN COMPARISON TO OTHER HOMES, UM, WITH THE SAME LOT SIZE BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTATION. 
          I WAS TOLD TO SPECIFICALLY BY MULTIPLE BUILDERS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE INTERESTED IN THAT LOT BECAUSE OF THE SUBSTATION. 
          MY NEIGHBOR WHO BACKED UP TO IT. 
          I WAS ONLY ADJACENT. 
          IT WAS CATEGORY, LIKE I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF VIEW, A VIEW OF IT. 
          MY NEIGHBOR WHO BACKED DIRECTLY UP TO IT, RECEIVED AT LEAST $400,000, UM, BELOW MARKET VALUE WHEN SHE SOLD. 
          SO IF ENCORE IS GIVEN CARTE BLANC TO BUILD WHATEVER THAT THEY WANT 
          [03:15:02]
IN THIS AREA, IT IS GONNA RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE HOME VALUES FOR ALL OF THE HOMES THAT BACK UP TO THIS AREA. 
          AND THAT IS WHY I'M OPPOSED. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MS. COOK. 
          MS. COOK ALL LINE. 
          OH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          I HAD A PRESENTATION AS WELL. 
          L POWERPOINT OR PDF. 
          LEMME SEE IF HE'S GOT IT ON HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           COOK? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST, UM, YOU CAN FLIP THROUGH WITH THE ARROWS. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S OKAY? YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          CAN I LOWER THAT? OH, JUST, OH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EASIER TO REACH YOU. 
          I NEED ONE OF THESE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, OH MY GRACIOUS HA. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SHALL I BEGIN? OKAY, PLEASE DO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THE SUBSTATION OCCURS IN A VERY ACTIVE AREA. 
          I'VE NOTED ON THE PLAN. 
          THERE'S THE NORTH HAVEN TRAIL, WHICH IS VERY ACTIVE AND SEPARATES INTO TWO PATHS THAT FLANKS THE STATION. 
          THEN IT MERGES INTO ONE PATH THAT CROSSES EDGEMERE, AND THEN YOU CAN KINDA SEE THE LITTLE PINK RECTANGLES THAT'S THE LOADING, UNLOADING AREA FOR DELEY SCHOOLS. 
          SO IT'S VERY ACTIVE THERE AS WELL. 
          AND SUP PLANS WERE VERY CONCEPTUAL AND JUST SHOWED, UH, TWO LARGE TRANSFORMERS AND NEW FENCING WITH GATES, THE ORANGE AREAS WHERE THE SUBSTATION IS. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT GOOD? ALRIGHT. 
          YOU CAN SEE HOW ACTIVE EDGE MIRROR IS FROM THESE PHOTOS. 
          AND THE TRAIL CROSSING ACTUALLY HAS TWO LITTLE, SOME MEDIANS THAT HELP PREVENT CARS FROM PARKING THERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SAFELY CROSS, UH, THE TRAIL. 
          SO IT'S TO KEEP VISIBILITY, YOU KNOW, SOME CARS BLOCKING. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AND WE NEED THAT EXAMINED BY THE NEXT SET OF PLANS. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE, UH, TRAIL ITSELF IS VERY ACTIVE SINCE IT CONNECTS NOW TO A WHITE ROCK TRAIL. 
          AND ALSO THIS AREA IS VERY FLAT AND DRAINAGE IS, IS IMPORTANT. 
          IN FACT, THE TRAIL OCCURS IN THE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT FLANK THE STATIONS AND THERE'S EXISTING DRAINAGE CHANNELS AND THE EXPANSION IS ACTUALLY GOING TOWARDS THAT DRAINAGE CHANNEL. 
          SO DRAINAGE PLANS, GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLANS NEED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR OUR REVIEW. 
          ANOTHER ITEM OF CONCERN IS THE EXISTING LIVE OAKS THAT REALLY HELP SCREEN THE STATION. 
          THERE'S 22 LIVE OAKS THAT SURROUND THE STATION AND THEY PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT SCREEN. 
          AND, UM, IN FACT, ON THE LOWER RIGHT PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S ACTUALLY THE TRAIL NEXT TO THE SUBSTATION AS IT, IT SHARES THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT THERE. 
          AND, UM, THE, IN THE UPPER RIGHT, THAT'S THE COMMUNITY SPACE OR GREEN SPACE THAT, UH, ENCORE SAYS THAT THEY WILL PROTECT IN THEIR, UH, LANGUAGE ON THE SUP. 
          AND WE WANT THAT CONTINUED. 
          BUT IF TREES ARE REMOVED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA SEE THOSE PLANS, LANDSCAPE PLANS, AND THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED, UH, WITH A MINIMUM EIGHT INCH CALIBER PER TREE. 
          SO WE CAN HAVE IMMEDIATE SCREENING. 
          AND THIS IS A ENLARGEMENT AREA. 
          THE IS THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK AND THE ORANGE IS WHERE THEY'RE PROVI, UH, PROPOSING TO EXPAND WITH GATES. 
          THERE'S NO VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THAT. 
          WE ASSUME THERE SHOULD BE. 
          THERE'S NO PLANS ON THAT AND THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, THIS HUGE RED AREAS WHERE THEY WANT TO REZONE. 
          BUT THE ORANGE AREA IS JUST WHERE THE CON ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS OCCURRING. 
          AND THAT WHY, WHY DO THEY NEED SO MUCH? AND WE WANNA SEE PLANS FOR THESE AREAS TO KNOW WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING SO MUCH LAND. 
          THANK YOU LAND MUCH. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WAS FINISHED. 
          UH, UH, OUR LAST REGISTERED SPEAKERS, HE ONLINE, MR. WINING, IS MR. WINING ONLINE. 
          CRAIG, NOT ONLINE. 
          COMMISSIONER'S. 
          [03:20:02]
QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTION, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST ONE NOTE QUESTION THAT WILL MAYBE HELP. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER PEL, HE MOVES ON HERE WITH THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. 
          UH, THE ZONING REQUEST IS FOR THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED, IT'S JUST THEY HAVE TO NOTICE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT IS ONE, ONE PROPERTY. 
          YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO IF YOU CAN STILL SEE THE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN, UH, WHICH I'M GLAD IT'S STILL UP THERE, THE RED HIGHLIGHTED AREA OR THE RED BOUNDARY I IS THE AREA OF REQUEST. 
          HOWEVER, UM, THEY ARE ONLY PROPOSING TO DO WORK WITHIN THAT SMALL ORANGE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED, UH, ZONE THERE. 
          SO NONE OF THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD ENCROACH UPON ANY OF THE EXISTING TRAILS OR GREEN SPACES OR WALKWAYS, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR, UH, SUP CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          AND THANK YOU MS. COOK. 
          YOU WERE EXACTLY SPOT ON WITH YOUR PRESENTATION THERE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT PLEASE? YEAH, FOR MR. CLINTON. 
          UM, IN THE DRAFT, UH, ORDINANCE, I DON'T SEE ANY MENTION OF, OF, UH, ARTICLE 10. 
          IS IT, ARE THEY NOT SUBJECT TO LANDSCAPE IN ARTICLE 10? UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO THEY, THEY ARE NOT DUE TO, UM, THE ACTUAL LAND USE AND NO, MY, OKAY. 
          UH, DUE TO THE ACTUAL LAND USE, UM, AND THE SURROUNDING, UM, UH, THE SURROUNDING USES. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. CLINTON, ONE FOLLOW UP. 
          THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN OUR DOCKET DOESN'T APPEAR TO REFLECT THE FULL REQUEST AREA. 
          IT'S FOCUSED IN ON THE, THE ORANGE BOX THAT WE SEE. 
          WILL THERE BE AN OVERALL DEFINITION OF THE SITE PLAN THAT INDICATES THE EXTENTS VERSUS THE IMPROVEMENT AREA? I DIDN'T QUE I DIDN'T CATCH THE LAST PART OF THAT. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? WELL, IT'S JUST THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE DOCKET DOESN'T REFLECT THE FULL REQUEST AREA. 
          NO, THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE DOCKET REFLECTS THE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED ORANGE AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS, UH, PRESENTATION HERE. 
          SO, AGAIN, ONLY, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE WORK BEING DONE IN THAT SMALL, UH, PIECE OF THE, UH, AREA OF REQUEST. 
          UN UNDERSTOOD. 
          BUT I THINK TYPICALLY, DON'T WE SEE THE FULL AREA OF THE REQUEST AS A PART OF OUR SITE PLAN FOR AN SUP? AND THAT MIGHT BRING SOME CLARITY AS WELL. 
          UN I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          UM, IT'S NOT REQUIRED. 
          UM, I THINK, RYAN, YOU WANNA JUMP IN? YEAH. 
          SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT CAN EITHER AMEND THEIR SITE PLAN TO SHOW THE FULL, UH, PARCEL THAT THIS REQUEST IS ON, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF, UH, HIGHLIGHT THE PORTION WHERE WORK IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE. 
          UM, THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH, UM, ACTUALLY MIGHT BE BETTER, UH, AND UH, CREATE MORE COMFORTABILITY WITH NEIGHBORS IS IF THEY RATHER AMENDED THEIR PROPERTY DESCRIPTION, THE AREA TO WHICH THE, UH, SUP WOULD ACTUALLY APPLY TO JUST BE THE AREA, UH, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN. 
          UH, WE DO THAT SOMETIMES WITH SUVS. 
          IF WE HAVE, UM, JUST ONE SUITE IN A LARGE SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AN SUP TO SELL ALCOHOL, UH, WE DON'T APPLY THE SUP TO THE FULL SHOPPING CENTER PROPERTY, WE JUST APPLY IT TO THAT ONE SUITE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WISEST THING TO DO HERE IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO REVISE THEIR PROPERTY DESCRIPTION. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          ONE FOLLOW UP. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD REQUIRE RE NOTICING BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A SMALLER AREA THAN THE AREA THAT WAS ORIGINALLY NOTICED. 
          AND DANIEL'S NODDING HIS HEAD YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE FOLLOW UP. 
          UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT ON OTHER SIMILAR UTILITY RATE RELATED SUVS THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED LANDSCAPE PROVISIONS TO HELP ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA? UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M, I'M NOT, UH, SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          UM, THE, UH, HAPPY TO PROVIDE A REFERENCE. 
          SURE. 
          THE, THE SUP WILL BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW, UH, OUR ALL ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS COULD BE ADDED TO THE SUP AS LONG AS THEY WERE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN ARTICLE 10. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK I JUST HEARD THAT, UM, ARTICLE 10 WOULDN'T APPLY FOR THE UTILITIES, WHICH SEEMS WHY IT MAY BE IMPORTANT IN THIS, UM, INSTANCE. 
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SO THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH THE ARTICLE 10 DOES NOT, UH, APPLY IN THIS SITUATION, UM, I DO RECALL A CASE WE HAD, UH, A WHILE BACK, UM, PARTICULARLY IN IN D FIVE WITH A, UM, WITH THE GAS STATION, NO, NOT D FIVE, D EIGHT, UM, WITH THE GAS STATION, THAT STAFF CAN, THAT STAFF CAN DO A, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          WAS THAT, DOES THAT APPLY HERE? UM, UH, A LANDSCAPE PLAN COULD BE VOLUNTEERED AS PART OF THE REQUEST. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A CONDITION IN THE SUP SAYING THAT LANDSCAPING MUST COMPLY WITH WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          HAD OKAY. 
          AND HAD, HAD THAT BEEN, HAD THAT BEEN, UH, HAD THAT BEEN, UH, OFFERED OR SUGGESTED TO THE APPLICANT OR WILL THAT BE SUGGESTED UNTIL THE APPLICANT AT A LATE, UM, AFTER THIS? UM, AND WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS TO COME BACK FOR THE, UH, COMMISSION, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THE CASE PLANNER CAN DISCUSS, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER LER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 1 42, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE 6TH. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          GOOD. 
          UH, JUNE 6TH. 
          JUNE 6TH. 
          DO CASE NUMBER 13? ITEM NUMBER 13 IS KZ 2 3 4 1 46. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT, AND AN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF RA, RAVEN VIEW ROAD, NORTHEAST OF SAGEVILLE ROAD STAFF. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION? THIS IS NUMBER 13 Z 2 34. 
          1 46. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          IF YOU PRESS THE LITTLE BUTTON. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, MY NAME IS YANNA JOHANNES. 
          I'M THE, UH, YOU MAY HAVE TO STEP RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE, SO IF YEAH. 
          STEP STEP RIGHT. 
          GET AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN TO IT. 
          WE HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU. 
          OH, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MY NAME IS YANNA JOHANNES, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, EAGLE DEVELOPERS. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE FOLLOWING WORDS ON BEHALF OF EAGLE DEVELOPERS, WE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, UH, A COUPLE OF POINTS. 
          AND BASICALLY, UH, LAST TIME WHERE WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. 
          AND, UH, WE WILL WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERS AND, UH, TO DO ANYTHING TO, UH, IN OUR SIDE TO ELEVATE THAT PROBLEM. 
          AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS, UH, WE ARE COMMITTED TO BUILD, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THE LOT SIZE CONTRIBUTING, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR IS IN HOUSING OF OVERALL PRICES. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THOSE ZONE ZONING CHANGE. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHER ONE PER CITY PLANNERS AND OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEERING TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, BUILDING 65 HOUSES IS NOT STA UH, STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT VERSUS BUILDING 45 TO 50 HOUSES ON R 10. 
          AND THE LAST POINT IS, UH, CURRENTLY THE SITE IS, UH, A HIDDEN TRASH, UH, DUMPING SITE WHERE WE ARE GETTING TIRED OF COLLECTING, UH, TIRES AND, UH, USE BOTS AND SOME SORT OF STUFF. 
          AND, UH, WE ARE KINDLY, UH, REQUESTING AND ASKING THE COUNCIL TO, TO APPROVE OUR REQUEST. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN 
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OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER BLA AYE. 
          NO. 
          HI, MR. JOHANNES. 
          DID I GET IT RIGHT? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          UM, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON THE 24TH, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          AND IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE IN ATTENDANCE, THEY ALL SHARE THEIR CONCERN TO YOU AND YOUR BUSINESS PARTNER, UM, ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF THE STREET. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND DID THEY NOT ALSO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THEY FELT THAT, UM, DUE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE NOT BEING, UH, SUCH THAT IS, UM, UH, SATISFACTORY TO BRING IN, UH, UH, UH, THE DENSITY THAT YOU WANT, UM, THAT THEY ARE AT, THEY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT, ALTHOUGH I SHARED WITH THEM THAT, UM, IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY, YES. 
          SO, MR. JOHANNES, UM, DID YOU NOT AGREE TO KEEP YOUR, THE, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO BILL TO THE SIX, THE THE NUMBER OF 65 AND NOT MORE? CORRECT. 
          UH, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON THAT, THE LOT IS ABOUT 17 ACRES AND WE HAVE A POTENTIAL TO GO, UH, I WOULD SAY NORTH OF MAYBE 70, BUT WE CAN CAP OURSELF TO 65 SO THAT WE CAN AC WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE CONCERN FOR THE NEIGHBORS. 
          SO IN, IN A, IN A, IN A, UM, MATTER TO KEEP THE, THE COMMUNITY THAT IS AT HAND, AS HAPPY AS THEY COULD BE WITH THE, WITH, UM, HEARING THAT THEY WOULD GET MORE DEVELOPMENT. 
          YOU, YOU DID MAKE THAT OFFER, CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO WE'LL TAKE A, A QUICK STEP BACK. 
          WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER ONLINE. 
          MS, UH, SIM YOUR, UH, YOUR MICROPHONE IS OFF. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO I'M JUST HERE WITH YOU, AL. 
          UM, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FOR, UH, OUR TWO SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO. 
          AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS, UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 46, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, WITH THE APPROVAL, UM, ACCEPTING THE, THE, UM, APPLICANT'S DEED RESTRICTIONS OF CAPPING THEIR NUMBER OF HOUSES TO 65. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I'M NOT MAKING MY COMM YEAH, I'M NOT MAKING MY COMMUNITY HAPPY AT ALL. 
          YOU GUYS SAW THE NUMBER OF EMAILS THAT YOU RECEIVED IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. 
          I'VE EXPRESSED TO MY, TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA THAT, UM, THE WAY THAT THE CITY OPERATES IS DENSITY FIRST AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN DENSITY. 
          UM, AND I'M SURE I'M GOING TO FEEL THE, UM, WEIGHT OF THIS DECISION, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THE CITY NEEDS HOUSING. 
          THIS DEVELOPER IS OFFERING R SEVEN FIVE, WHICH IS ALSO ADJACENT TO HERE THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED. 
          AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEIR OFFERING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DETACHED, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING MY COMMUNITY DESPERATELY ASKED FOR. 
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SO WHERE THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMPLETELY THAT THEY WANT, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST FOR THEM, IT'S ALSO, BUT IT IS BEST FOR THE CITY. 
          I APPLAUD MR. JOHANNES INTO WORKING WITH THEM AND CAPPING THE NUMBER OF HOUSES HE IS WILLING TO MAKE TO BUILD BECAUSE I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT IN DOING SO, HE IS ACTUALLY DIGGING IN HIS POCKET AND TAKING MONEY OUT. 
          AND SO I APPLAUD HIM AND I THANK HIM AND I ASK THAT YOU GUYS SHARE THE VOTE WITH ME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSER, I WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR A MOTION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT. 
          TOO OFTEN WE, WE HEAR THAT WE, YEAH, WE NEED HOUSING, BUT WE NEED IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT, THAT MOTION. 
          I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IT MAY BE FOR MR. MOORE. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING ASK AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CAP LOTS AT 65 WITH A STRAIGHT ZONING. 
          ASK HIM A DEED RESTRICTION THE APPLICANT. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT A DEED RESTRICTION. 
          I, I UNDERSTOOD THE APPLICANT TO SAY THAT HE WAS VOLUNTEERING THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I COULDN'T THAT, THAT THE LIMITATION, THE CAP WAS DEED RESTRICTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I COULDN'T HEAR IT. 
          WE CAN CLARIFY THAT WITH HIM IF YOU THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          OKAY, WELL THAT'S SAID, I'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT A MOTION WITHOUT THAT, BUT I PLEASE, COMMISSIONER BLACK, I AM MAKING THE BEST DECISION FOR DISTRICT EIGHT THAT I POSSIBLY CAN. 
          I'M ALSO MAKING THE BEST DECISION FOR THE CITY AS I POSSIBLY CAN. 
          UM, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT MAKING MY DISTRICT HAPPY AT ALL. 
          AND IF CAPPING THE DECISION AT 65 IS A MIDDLE GROUND, I'M ACCEPT I'M ASKING YOU GUYS TO GO THE MIDDLE GROUND WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS WITH MY COMMUNITY. 
          THEY DON'T WANT THIS. 
          THEY DON'T WANT THIS AT ALL. 
          THEY THINK THAT WE, THE CITY NEEDS TO GIVE THEM INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE THEY GIVE YOU A HOUSE. 
          THIS IS NOT THE FIRST, UH, BUT THIS IS ONE OF MANY, UH, WHAT YOU GUYS DON'T SEE IS THE, THE ASKS THAT ARE COMING BEHIND HERE. 
          UM, AND TO, TO SAY THAT YOU, THAT, THAT YOU, THAT THIS HAS TO BE UNCAPPED. 
          IT'S ONLY FIVE HOUSES. 
          AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, YOU ONLY CAPPED IT AT FIVE HOUSES. 
          UM, BUT THERE IS MORE TO COME. 
          SO THIS IS NOT ONLY THE DENSITY THAT IT, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT STOPPING THE DENSITY THIS IS MAKING OF, OF EXTENDING AN OLIVE BRANCH WHERE AN OLIVE BRANCH IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO GET MORE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UH, I THINK IT ABSOLUTELY MAKES SENSE. 
          UH, IT IS A, A PART OF TOWN THAT IS IN NEED OF HOUSING. 
          IT IS A, A COMMON SENSE RATIONAL ZONING CHANGE, UH, IN A PART OF TOWN AS COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UH, HAS A LOT COMING. 
          IN FACT, I, I THINK IT IS NOW DISTRICT EIGHT THAT PROBABLY LEADS MOST DISTRICTS IN, IN APPLICATIONS FOR ZONING CHANGES. 
          UH, I I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER ONE QUALITY OF A DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER IS COURAGE AND, UH, APPLAUD COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO, UH, TO MAKE A TOUGH CHOICE HERE AND THE FACE OF OPPOSITION TO SUPPORT SOME HOUSING THAT IS, UH, BADLY NEEDED IN A VERY COMMON SENSE WAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMERS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          UM, I, I, I I 100% SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I DO KNOW THAT THIS AREA, UM, REALLY, REALLY, UM, DOES NOT WANT ANYTHING LESS THAN R 10. 
          UM, IN THE PAST WE DENIED, UM, A, A MIXED USE TYPE OF PLAN IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THAT, A SEVERE DENSITY THAT IT WAS GONNA BRING. 
          SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT MIDDLE GROUND. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT TOO FAR FROM SAND BRANCH. 
          THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES ON THE DOWNSIDE AND THE SAND BRANCH SIDE WHERE THEY DO NEED INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND IF THESE DOLLARS CAN GET IT, UM, I THINK THAT WE, WE SHOULD, ANYTHING UNDER R SEVEN FIVE WOULD BE A SLAP TOTALLY IN THEIR FACE. 
          UM, BUT I'M 100%, UM, IN, IN SUPPORT AND, AND I, AND I DEFINITELY LOVE R 10, BUT RIGHT IN THIS AREA, 
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THIS IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER FROM A COUPLE OF OUR DISTRICTS. 
          AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST BECAUSE THE DISTRICT CHANGED THESE. 
          WE ALL HAVE PEOPLE AND FAMILY IN THESE AREAS WHO WANNA STAY, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE HOUSING THAT DOES THAT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 1 46, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SCHOCK TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND ACCEPTING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS VOLUNTARY BY THE APPLICANT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY THE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES? UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT IS 1 49. 
          LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK. 
          OH, FIVE COMMISSIONERS. 
          LET'S TAKE OUR SEATS. 
          WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED. 
          COMM, WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          UH, I THINK WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. 
          [15.  24-1447  An application for a new subarea on property zoned Tract III within Planned Development District No. 314, the Preston Center Special Purpose District, in an area bounded by Luther Lane, Westchester Drive, Berkshire Lane, and Douglas Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a development plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Alpine Douglas, LP Representative: Suzan Kedron, Jackson Walker LLP Planner: Michael Pepe U/A From: March 21, 2024. Council District: 13 Z223-141(MP)]
UH, WE'RE HEADING BACK INTO THE DOCKET. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE ON CASE NUMBER 15, TOP OF PAGE SIX, AND LET'S GET THAT READ INTO THE RECORD. 
          MR. PEPE, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS ITEM 15. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE'RE NUMBER 15. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE Z 2 2 3 1, 4 1. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONED TRACT THREE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 1 4, THE PRESENT CENTER SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, AND AN AREA BOUNDED BY LUTHER LANE, WEST WESTCHESTER DRIVE, BERKSHIRE LIGHT IN DOUGLAS AVENUE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WE'RE, UH, READY FOR OUR SPEAKERS. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN, IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? THE LITTLE SPEAKER, THE, THE MICROPHONE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          PERFECT. 
          I'M ROBERT DOZIER, 45 50 TRAVIS, UM, AVENUE, UH, SUITE TWO 50, UH, DALLAS. 
          UM, I STARTED ACQUIRING PROPERTY IN PRESTON CENTER IN 2002, UH, BY PURCHASING THE OLD FOLEYS VACANT FOLEYS BUILDING, UH, WHERE TODAY THERE'S A TARGET, MARSHALLS AND CVS. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA GO BACK TO 2002. 
          I WANT TO KIND OF FAST FORWARD TO 2015. 
          UM, IN 2015, THE CITY FORMED A TASK FORCE. 
          AND IN THAT TASK FORCE, IT WAS MADE UP OF SEVEN ZONES. 
          UM, AND AS, UH, SHOWN UP THERE ON THE SCREEN, EACH ZONE, UH, HAD AT LEAST ONE REPRESENTATIVE. 
          AND SO OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, SIX STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, SEVEN TASK FORCE MEETINGS. 
          THERE WAS ONLINE COMMUNITY SURVEYS, THERE WERE SEVERAL OPEN HOUSES. 
          AND SO OVER THAT YEAR AND A HALF, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF COLLABORATION BETWEEN EACH REPRESENTATIVE OF EACH ZONE OF WHAT DID WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE WITHIN THEIR ZONE AND WHAT, WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE, UM, OUTSIDE OF THEIR ZONE. 
          SO IN 2016, THE TASK FORCE UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AREA PLAN. 
          AND IN 2017, THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AREA PLAN. 
          SO WE ARE IN ZONE ONE AND WITHIN ZONE ONE, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON WHAT WAS THE VISION WITHIN ZONE ONE? WHAT DID THE CITY AND THE TASK FORCE AND THE REPRESENTATIVE ZONE MEMBERS WANT TO WANNA SEE WITHIN ZONE ONE? AND THE PLAN YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY, THAT'S WHAT WE MODELED OUR PLAN AFTER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE MEET. 
          SO WITHIN ZONE ONE, THEY WERE REALLY ENCOURAGING ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THERE TO DENSIFY THEIR SITE. 
          THEY WANTED TO SEE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL. 
          THEY WANTED TO SEE MULTIFAMILY AND OFFICE AS A MIXED USE COMPONENT. 
          AND THEY ALSO PROMOTED AND WANTED INCREASED 
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FAR AND INCREASED DENSITY. 
          THE ONE THING THEY WANTED WAS APPRECIATION OF THE RES, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, WHICH WE DO. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER VISIONS THAT THEY WANTED TO, TO KIND OF PATTERN AFTER FOR EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT IS THE WEST VILLAGE AREA OF DALLAS. 
          THAT AREA OF DALLAS WAS AN AREA THAT THEY KIND OF ENVISIONED AND WANTED US TO PATTERN AER. 
          SO TODAY I WANTED TO INTRODUCE SUZANNE KEDRON WITH, UM, UH, JACKSON WALKER AND OWEN MCCRORY WITH HKS TO GO OVER OUR PLAN IN DETAIL AND SHOW THE COMMISSIONERS HOW WE HAVE MET THE VISION OF THE NORTHWEST IOWA, IOWA AREA PLAN, UH, THAT THE CITY AND THE TASK FORCE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR THE PLAN COMMISSION. 
          SUZANNE KEDRON, 2323 ROSS AVENUE. 
          I'D LIKE TO FORMALLY INTRODUCE YOU TO THE PROJECT, AND I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO KIND OF START UP HIGH AND THEN TAKE A WALK AROUND THE SITE. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE CORNER OF DOUGLAS AND LUTHER LANE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO A GROUND LEVEL SHOT OF THAT SAME AREA. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA WALK DOWN LUTHER LANE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE VIBRANT RESTAURANTS AND OTHER RETAIL AND STREET ACTIVATING USES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED FOR THE SITE. 
          NOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE CORNER OF LUTHER LANE IN WESTCHESTER, AGAIN, ILLUSTRATING THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE PROJECT. 
          AND FINALLY, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIEW FROM LUTHER LANE AND THE IN WITH THE IN ESCAPE, AH, EXCUSE ME, THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THAT WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE ALONG LUTHER LANE FOR THE HEAD END PARKING. 
          UM, TO DATE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OUTREACH EFFORTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN ON FILE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, OUR SIGNS HAVE BEEN CONTINUOUSLY POSTED THAT WHOLE TIME. 
          UH, ONE OF THE SIGNS WAS LOCATED ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF AN OFFICE SO YOU COULD LOOK OUT. 
          SO IT'S BEEN THERE, WE KNOW FOR A FACT THE WHOLE TIME. 
          UM, SINCE FILING, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE PRIOR PLANNING COMMISSIONER. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSIONER. 
          WE'VE ALSO MET WITH A LOT OF YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY. 
          UH, WE'VE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS IN THE VICINITY. 
          UH, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE BOARD OF THE SHELTON ORGANIZATION, ALSO FROM 81 81 DOUGLAS, AS WELL AS A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS LOCATED IN THE AREA. 
          AND SINCE OUR LAST CPC HEARING, WHICH WE WERE HELD FOR A FEW WEEKS, WE HAD A MEETING AT THE, UM, DISCRETION OF COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS. 
          SHE GRACIOUSLY CALLED THE MEETING. 
          THERE WAS OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE THERE. 
          THERE WERE SEVERAL OF YOU ALSO IN ATTENDANCE OF THAT MEETING. 
          AND FROM THAT MEETING, WE HAD A FEW THINGS AND A COUPLE, COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE REALLY ADDITIVE TO THE PROJECT AND THINGS THAT WE HEARD THAT THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR. 
          UM, WE CLARIFIED SOME LANGUAGE REGARDING THE SIDEWALK TREATMENTS. 
          UM, THE LEVEL OF HEADLIGHT SCREENING, WE WENT FROM 42 TO 48 INCHES TO MAKE SURE THAT NO HEADLIGHTS ARE ABLE TO BE VIEWED FROM THE STREET. 
          WE'VE ALSO ALLOWED FOR, UM, ENHANCED PARKING STANDARDS THAT YOU HEARD BRIEFED THIS MORNING. 
          AND WITH THAT, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING VALET AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK AS WELL. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONSITE PARKING FOR ALL RETAIL AFTER 5:00 PM ON NIGHTS, WEEKENDS, AND HOLIDAYS. 
          WE'VE INCREASED THE GROUND LEVEL, UM, OPEN SPACE. 
          WE'VE DOUBLED IT FROM TWO TO 4,000. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO CODIFIED THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LANDSCAPE TERRORIST AREA THAT WE HAD SHOWN IN THE PLAN. 
          THE DEVELOPMENTS ALSO COMMITTED TO CCAP GOALS, WHICH I KNOW IS A GOAL OF THE CITY. 
          UM, WE HAVE SUSTAINABLE DESIGN FEATURES, GREEN BUILDING PRACTICES, ACTIVATED PEDESTRIAN VIEWS, SHARED PARKING, AND MULTIUSE MULTI USES WITH THE LIVING, WORKING, DINING, AND SHOPPING, ALL LOCATED IN ONE AREA. 
          WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO YOU. 
          I'M GONNA SAVE ANY TIME I MIGHT HAVE FOR REBUTTAL, AND WE WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, ALSO, OWEN MCCORY FROM HKS IS HERE. 
          HE WILL NOT BE PRESENTING, BUT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME'S WILLIAM VE. 
          I LIVE AT 4 1 1 2 CARRUTH BOULEVARD, WHICH I KNOW IS IN UNIVERSITY PARK, BUT IT A BUTTS UP AGAINST THIS. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE AREA CANNOT HANDLE THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          IT PUTS AT RISK, I THINK, AN INCREASE IN ACCIDENTS. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM ON PRESTON. 
          WE HAVE A PROBLEM ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. 
          THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL BREAK-INS. 
          AND CANDIDLY, THIS THING IS GREAT. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL, NO DISRESPECT, BUT IT DOESN'T BELONG WHERE IT IS. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? 
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IS MS. MORRIS ONLINE? OH, THERE SHE IS. 
          DID YOU INTEND TO SPEAK? OKAY, MS. KEDRON, YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL. 
          WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WHEN YOU'VE WORKED ON A MASTER PLAN FOR AN AREA FOR SO LONG, WE CAN SAY THAT THIS PROJECT REALLY CHECKS ALL THE BOXES OF THAT PARTICULAR PLAN. 
          WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TWO YEARS LEADING UP TO THE MASTER PLAN. 
          AND OWEN HAS DONE, I THINK, A BEAUTIFUL JOB OF DEVELOPING A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PROJECT FOR THE AREA. 
          WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS'. 
          QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? MS. KRON, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO, AS YOU KNOW, THINGS MOVE PRETTY QUICK, AND ESPECIALLY HERE TODAY, THINGS MOVE REALLY FAST. 
          EARLIER TODAY, JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM WITH YOU ABOUT THE, THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE PARKING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          PLEASE. 
          WE HAD SOME PARKING STANDARDS THAT WE HAD AGREED ON WITH STAFF, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE SOME NEW ONES. 
          WE LOOKED AT 'EM THIS MORNING AND THEY'RE STILL IN ALIGNMENT. 
          THEY'RE JUST REWORDED A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          BUT YES, SIR, WE DO AGREE WITH THE PARKING THAT WAS PROPOSED BY STAFF AND JOINTLY AGREED ON WITH US. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR FOLKS IN SUPPORT? QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ? MR. PEPY, WHAT'S A QUESTION? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO. 
          MR. CHAIR, AND I'LL HAVE A COMMENT AFTERWARDS IF I MAY. 
          SO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 41, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL AS BRIEFED AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE. 
          AND THIS IS RELATED TO THE PARKING, UH, DELETE SECTION 51 P DASH 314.108 C SIX BII. 
          AND THAT IS, UH, A DUPLICATIVE, DUPLICATIVE STATEMENT IN THE PD. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, FIRST I WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING AND THE LEGAL STAFF FOR THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND PATIENCE IN DEALING WITH MY MANY QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT. 
          MR. PEPE HAD TO REMIND ME ONE TIME THAT WE DON'T WORK ON THE WEEKENDS . 
          UH, I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE VALUABLE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED FROM SEVERAL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT WAS MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          I'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, PRESTON CENTER FOR AT LEAST 50 YEARS. 
          UH, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT MY MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. 
          IT, IT, ALONG WITH TWO OTHERS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL IN 2020, WILL BRING SIGNIFICANT RE RESIDENTIAL TO THIS HIGHLY COMMERCIAL AREA, ALONG WITH NEW RETAIL, ONSITE PARKING, NEW SIDEWALKS, TREES, AND LANDSCAPING. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA PROVIDE NEW LIFE AND VITALITY TO PRESTON CENTER, ESPECIALLY THE PART THAT HASN'T SEEN MUCH IN THE 50 YEARS OF MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE SITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT. 
          UM, YES, I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND COMMISSIONER HALL FOR HIS GOOD WORK ON THIS CASE. 
          IT WAS COMPLICATED AND, UH, I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          I WANTED TO, UM, THANK THE APPLICANT FOR HIS PATIENCE WITH THE PROCESS AND FOR, FOR PROPOSING A, A REALLY, REALLY NICE PROJECT. 
          AND, UH, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT, THAT BY APPROVING THIS MOTION TODAY, NOT ONLY WILL WE GET THIS NEW PROJECT, BUT I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT WE ARE ONE STEP CLOSER TO A, A GREATER GOAL OF A, OF A SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PRESTON CENTER GARAGE. 
          UM, AND, UH, SOME BETTER URBAN DESIGN FOR A DISTRICT THAT, UH, SORELY NEEDS IT. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE? SINCE I SECONDED I, I'LL COMMENT. 
          UM, I DEFINITELY HAVE FOLLOWED THIS CASE PRETTY CLOSELY. 
          PRESTON HALLOW WAS VERY ESSENTIAL TO ME AFTER COMING FROM HURRICANE KATRINA. 
          UM, A LOT OF 
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SERVICES WERE VOLUNTEERED OUT OF THAT CENTER, AND IT WAS, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, THE HISTORY OF IT, KNOWING WHAT WAS THERE. 
          UM, THE SANGER BROTHERS, THE NEIMAN MARCUS, ALL OF THAT, THE ABOVE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE AREA IN THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, BEING SOMEONE THAT HAS FOUGHT WAREHOUSES NEXT TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I THOUGHT THE RESIDENCE WERE FURTHER ENOUGH WHERE THIS WOULD WORK, UM, FOR THAT AREA. 
          AND I THINK, UM, THIS HELPS BRING THE CITY, UM, AT A HIGHER LEVEL IN REGARDS TO, UH, BEING A METROPLEX. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          I TOO AM SUPPORTING IT. 
          I SHOPPED THERE, . 
          I EAT THERE. 
          I VISIT THERE ALL, ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, THE LAST FEW YEARS IS I'VE SEEN IT CHANGE AND, AND I'VE SEEN THE, THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT AS MOST COMMUNITIES ARE GOING THROUGH. 
          I, I SEE THE CHALLENGE THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS ALSO GOING THROUGH WHERE ONE WOULD SAY NOT HERE. 
          I SAY THAT THIS IS ALSO A GOOD PLACE TO PUT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THIS TYPE OF DENSITY. 
          UM, YES, IS ALL AREAS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE'RE ALL CHALLENGED WITH TRAFFIC, BUT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE MOVING HERE ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          SO UNTIL YOU CAN TAKE A CITY AND KNOCK IT COMPLETELY DOWN AND RE ENGINEER IT, YOU'RE GONNA ALWAYS HAVE THAT. 
          AND I, AND I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S JUST OUR REALITY. 
          UM, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT. 
          I LOVE IT. 
          I WISHED IT WAS IN MY DISTRICT. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN COME ON SOUTH AND I GOT PLENTY OF LAND AND, AND I'LL LET YOU HAVE THE HIKE. 
          SO COME ON. 
          UM, SO YES, I WILL BE, UH, WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, UH, JUST BRIEFLY, HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION, UH, FOR ALL THE REASONS STATED BY MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER HALL FOR, UH, TAKING ON THIS ONE AS A WAS A COMPLICATED, TOUGH ONE, UH, AND, UM, HAPPY TO SEE YOU STOOD YOUR GROUND. 
          UH, ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF, UH, FOR THE LAST MINUTE, KIND OF, UH, ELEGANT SOLUTION, DR. 
          RE, UH, AND THE APPLICANT FOR HIS FLEXIBILITY. 
          I THINK FOR A LOT OF US, UH, THIS APPLICATION WAS HOPEFULLY GONNA END IN, IN A, IN A SOLUTION THAT OFFERED, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY, AND FRANKLY, THE COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, SOME WIGGLE ROOM TO MANEUVER AND TO FINALLY FIND A SOLUTION FOR THAT PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND SO, I, I HOPE THAT THIS IS ONE STEP FORWARD TOWARD THAT. 
          HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HALL SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          FALSE TO AFRICAN RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, UH, SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFFS COMMITTED COMMISSIONS AS BRIEFED, AS WELL AS THE ADJUSTMENTS AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AND THE OPPOSED WARNING IN OPPOSITION. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          UH, JUST ONE LITTLE CLEANUP THERE. 
          UH, SORRY. 
          WE NEED QUICK STEP BACK. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, YOU SAID, I'M SURE, WERE YOU ABOUT TO ASK ABOUT THIS? THE, UM, IN YOUR MOTION YOU SAID THAT, UH, FALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THEN YOU SAID THE APPLICANT'S, UH, CON YEAH. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT WAS IN TERMS OF THE MIH APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE. 
          PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, AND IT'S CLEARED UP. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE'LL GO 
          [16. 24-1448 An application for an MF-2(A) Multifamily District on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the southeast corner of West Kiest Boulevard and Guadalupe Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Raul Estrada Representative: Mariela Estrada Planner: Michael Pepe U/A From: January 18, 2024, February 15, 2024, and March 21, 2024. Council District: 3 Z223-217(MP)]
TO CASE NUMBER 16. 
          ITEM 16 IS Z 2 23 2 7. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AND R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, UH, LOCATED SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST KEYS BOULEVARD IN GUADALUPE AVENUE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN MF TWO A AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TH THREE A. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, 
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JR 1113 EAST JEFFERSON. 
          UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION. 
          I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW TO, WE'LL GET YOU GOING ON THAT. 
          2, 2 3. 
          OH, IS IT THIS, SEE, DO YOU REMEMBER, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE ? COULD YOU MOVE TO THE FIRST SITE PLAN, PLEASE? THERE WE GO. 
          OH, SO NO, THIS IS, THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE. 
          THIS IS, UH, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE APARTMENTS, BUT BEFORE THE APARTMENTS, THE INITIAL PLAN WAS EIGHT UNITS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          BUT THE COST OF EARTHWORK MADE THIS IMPOSSIBLE. 
          UH, AND NOW YOU HAVE THE SECOND ITERATION OF OUR PLAN. 
          HEY, YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          SORRY. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO BEFORE THE APARTMENTS, THE INITIAL PLAN WAS EIGHT UNITS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT THE COST OF EARTHWORK MADE THIS IMPOSSIBLE. 
          UH, AND SO WE CAME UP WITH THE APARTMENTS, UH, AGE 61 UNITS, AGE AND INCOME RESTRICTED. 
          BUT THIS WAS MET WITH OPPOSITION BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, AND SO DESPITE SIGNIFICANT COSTS, WE CHOSE TO HEAR OUT COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND PIVOT TOWARDS A DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL ALLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BUILD GENERATIONAL WEALTH. 
          IF YOU COULD MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO, THE NEW PROPOSAL IS 16 UNITS OF TOWN HOMES. 
          UH, AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE COSTS ARE STILL SIGNIFICANT, TOWN HOMES WOULD ALLOW US TO DO SHARED ACCESS, WHICH WOULD MITIGATE A LOT OF THE ISSUES PRESENTED BY THE EARTHWORK. 
          UH, AND LASTLY, I WANT TO EXPRESS A STRONG DESIRE TO REACH RESOLUTION, UH, AS THE CASE HAS ALREADY BEEN DELAYED. 
          AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE NOT ONLY REACHED OUT TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT ACCOUNTED FOR THEIR WANTS AND NEEDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          PLEASE STAND BY, THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? OKAY, WE ARE READY FOR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME'S ELLEN TAFT. 
          I LIVE AT 79 24 GLEN WAY DRIVE DALLAS. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND I WAS ONE OF THE 30 PEOPLE OR NEIGHBORS THAT MET WITH MR. ESTRADA BACK IN MARCH. 
          AND THE REASON WE'RE IN OPPOSITION IS HE DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I DID SOME FURTHER RESEARCH FOLLOWING THAT MEETING, AND THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT THERE WERE ONLY TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES NEAR HIM. 
          THERE ACTUALLY ARE 10 LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITHIN THIS BLOCK. 
          THERE ARE FIF, THERE ARE ALMOST 20, IF YOU GO A MILE AND A HALF WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THIS LOT, THE HOUSES WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I LOOKED UP HUNDREDS OF THEM. 
          AND THE, UH, RANGE OF VALUE FROM $1.3 MILLION TO 221,000. 
          THIS IS A VERY AFFLUENT COMMUNITY, AND I LOOKED UP HOW MANY OF THOSE HOUSES WERE FOR RENT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND OF THOSE ON THE ESTATE LOTS, THERE'S NOT ONE 
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SINGLE HOUSE THAT'S RENTED. 
          OWNERS LIVE IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE HOUSES IN THE LOWER INCOME HOU OR THE MODERATE INCOME HOUSES BELOW. 
          THERE WERE ONLY 13 THAT WERE RENTED. 
          OWNERS LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT HAS CREEKS AND TREES. 
          MR. ESTRADA ALSO MADE THE COMMENT AT THE MEETING THAT IF HE DOESN'T GET THIS APPROVED THROUGH CPC AND COUNCIL, HE'S GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS APARTMENT WITHOUT THE, OR THESE TOWN HOMES. 
          WITHOUT THIS APPROVAL, HE'S GOING TO, IF HE DOESN'T GET THE FREE MONEY, HE'S WALKING AWAY. 
          BUT IF YOU APPROVE IT, IT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY GONNA GO BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY. 
          WE'RE STUCK WITH A MULTI-FAMILY PLOT WITHIN OUR ESTATE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          PLEASE, WE HAVE NOT ALSO, WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE TOWN HOME PLAN. 
          NONE OF US HAVE SEEN THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE, BUT WE WEREN'T MADE AWARE OF THAT UNTIL THIS MORNING. 
          SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE KNOWING WHETHER WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BEFORE WE MAKE A VOTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          DARRYL BAKER, 63 0 6, ELDER GROVE DRIVE, DISTRICT THREE. 
          THE PLANNING AND THE ZONING SHOULD ALWAYS FOLLOW THE PLAN. 
          WELL, THE ZONING SHOULD ALWAYS FOLLOW THE PLAN, AND THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE PLAN. 
          AND THIS IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE. 
          WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE ALREADY THAT'S EFFECTIVE AND IT'S WHAT WE NEED AND WANT. 
          WHAT'S INCONSISTENT ABOUT THIS IS THAT KEYS IS THE LOGICAL DIVIDING LINE. 
          THE CENTER LINE OF KEYS ON THE NORTH SIDE IS THE LOGICAL DIVIDING LINE. 
          THERE'S A FIVE ACRE TRACT ALREADY ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED. 
          THE TRACKS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS PRO, TO THIS SITE THAT ARE, ARE DEVELOPED OR DEVELOP DEVELOPED WITH A STATE SIZED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. 
          OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, WE'VE HAD NOTHING BUT SINGLE FAMILY BUILT WITHIN THE HALF MILE PROXIMITY OF THIS SITE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO ENJOY THE ASSURANCE THAT OUR PLAN IS GOING TO BE RESPECTED. 
          OUR BOUNDARIES ARE GONNA BE RESPECTED AS FAR AS ZONING CATEGORIES ARE CONCERNED. 
          THE TOWNHOUSES, WHILE LOVELY BELONG ON THE OTHER SIDE OF KEYS, THEY DON'T BELONG HERE. 
          SO, UH, AND THE ARGUMENTS FOR DENSITY WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED TO YOU ALL. 
          ON MANY OCCASIONS, THE MYTH OF DENSITY FOR DISTRICT THREE WE'RE MORE DENSE THAN ANY OTHER DISTRICT AROUND. 
          AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THAT THAT'S UNDEVELOPED, A LESSER UNTIL WHAT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE IN THE INVENTORY IS USED UP. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO BE SPREADING OUT ONTO BASICALLY VIRGIN LAND THAT'S SET ASIDE FOR SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THAT'S STILL AN ASPIRATION FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CITY. 
          UH, THE DEVELOPER AT THE LAST MEETING, THE ONLY MEETING WE HAD STATED THAT HE WOULD COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN BEFORE HE CAME TO YOU. 
          ALL THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. 
          SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A GOOD PLAN. 
          IT'S A SOLID PLAN. 
          LET US FINISH BUILDING OUT THE WAY IT WAS PLANNED, AND THEN LET THE DEVELOPER BUILD A MULTIFAMILY AND TOWNHOUSE ON THE ABUNDANT SUPPLY OF LAND WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          THAT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M SANDERS FROM DISTRICT THREE. 
          I LIVE IN AN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M ACTUALLY HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND HERE'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD SO THAT MR. ESTRADA CAN BUILD A DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT WAS WHAT HE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WHEN HE FINALLY DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NOTIFICATION AND NO COMMUNITY MEETING IN THE BEGINNING, BUT WHEN HE DID, IT WAS CONTENTIOUS, WHICH BESPEAKS THE PASSION OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY. 
          HE SAID THAT HE WANTED TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT SOMEONE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS TOLD HIM HE COULD NOT DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION. 
          IT'S UP ABOVE THE STREET. 
          HOWEVER, EVERY HOUSE ON KEYS BOULEVARD FROM THAT SPOT, SEVERAL MILES OVER TO HIGHWAY 67, IS ELEVATED. 
          THEY ALL HAVE RETAINING WALLS THAT WOULD WORK IN THIS, IN THIS SPOT. 
          WE ARE HERE TO ASK FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DETACHED HOMES, WHICH WILL, AS HIS SON MENTIONED, 
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HELP WITH BUILDING GENERATIONAL WEALTH FOR GENERATIONS. 
          THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS WAGED WHAT I WOULD CALL RESIDENTIAL WAR AGAINST SOUTHERN DALLAS, PUTTING EVERY WRETCHED THING YOU COULD THINK OF, CEMENT, PLANTS, LANDFILLS, LOW INCOME APARTMENTS IN OUR AREA, WHICH IS THE MOST TOPOGRAPHICALLY BEAUTIFUL A PART OF THIS CITY. 
          NO DOUBT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY HOMES, LIVING THEM, PASS THEM ON TO THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR GRANDCHILDREN. 
          THAT WILL HELP BUILD GENERATIONAL WEALTH. 
          IT WILL HELP RAISE THE TAX BASE OF SOUTHERN DALLAS, AND IT WILL BE A BRIGHT SPOT ON WHAT HAS OTHERWISE BEEN A DISMAL HISTORY WHEN IT COMES TO EQUITY. 
          DALLAS TALKS A LOT ABOUT EQUITY, BUT THEY DON'T ACT SO MUCH ON IT. 
          SO WE ARE HERE TO ASK THAT YOU EITHER DENY THIS APPLICATION AS IS, OR SEND IT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT FOR YOUR REBUTTAL, SIR? YES. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          COMMISSIONS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS RAUL ESTRADA. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 1113 EAST JEFFERSON IN DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          AND, UM, MY SON GAVE A PRESENTATION AT THE BEGINNING. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF LAND, WE INTENDED TO, TO BUILD, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          WHEN WE GOT OUR PLANS DONE AND WENT THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS, WE WERE, UH, TOLD THAT THE ELEVATION REQUIRED US TO BRING THE LAND DOWN TO GRADE IN ORDER TO BUILD, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          AND, UH, WE GOT, UH, PROJECTIONS AND BIDS ABOUT, UH, WHAT IT WOULD COST. 
          AND IT WAS UNTENABLE TO DO THAT FOR, UH, A DEVELOPMENT OF EIGHT HOMES. 
          AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WENT BACK TO, UH, THE COUNCILMAN. 
          WE WENT BACK TO COUNCILMAN GRACIE AND SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THE PLOT OF LAND WE HAVE, AND WE WANTED TO BUILD THIS ORIGINALLY, BUT WE THINK WE CAN MAKE THE LAND WORK IF WE DO MULTIFAMILY. 
          AND SO WE ASKED HIM SPECIFICALLY TO TELL US WHAT WOULD, UH, IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ACCEPTABLE, AND WE COULD, UH, PLAN THAT. 
          AND HE HAD MENTIONED THAT IF WE WOULD, UH, AGE RESTRICTED AND DO SOMETHING WITH, UH, THAT WAS 55 PLUS, THAT HE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM, UH, SUPPORTING THAT. 
          SO WE WENT BACK AND, AND PRESENTED SITE PLANS TO THAT, AND WE HAD NO IDEA. 
          BUT COMMISSIONER HERBERT WAS REALLY GOOD ABOUT GETTING US IN TOUCH WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, AND LISTENING TO THEIR CONCERNS. 
          AND THERE, THERE WERE CONCERNS AND ALL THEIR CONCERNS WERE VALID. 
          THEY WANTED SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY, BUT I THINK PART OF THEIR, UH, THEIR OPPOSITION WAS NOT DIRECTLY AT ME, BUT IN GENERAL, THEY SPOKE OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAD BEEN, UH, UH, A SUBSTANDARD. 
          THEY SPOKE ABOUT SECTION EIGHT DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY, I THINK THEY LUMPED THEM ALL TOGETHER AND DECIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, PAINTED US WITH ONE BROAD STROKE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          BUT WE WANTED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND WITH THE INTENT THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD TO DO SINGLE FAMILY, WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AT THE COMMI, AT THE COUNCILMAN AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S REQUEST. 
          AND, UH, AND BROUGHT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WE THINK ADDRESSES EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEEDED. 
          THEY ASKED US FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          WE, UH, THE, THE, INSTEAD OF DOING EIGHT HOUSES, THERE'S 15 IN THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING TH THREE HOUSING IS BECAUSE IT AFFORDS US THE AVAIL, THE, THE ABILITY TO DO SHARED ACCESS. 
          UH, THE, THE STREETS DON'T HAVE TO BE WITH TO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT THEY WOULD. 
          IF YOUR IS UP, UP, SIR, SORRY. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          WE WOULD ASK YOU TO SUPPORT, PLEASE STAND FORWARD. 
          THIS, UH, THIS, UH, UH, SUPPORT. 
          WE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, MR. ESTRADA? YES, SIR. 
          THESE HOMES ARE DETACHED HOMES, CORRECT? THEY ARE DETACHED HOMES, YES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND, AND THEY COULD BE PURCHASED. 
          THEY'RE THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE FOR, FOR SALE, SIR. 
          THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT RENTAL PROPERTY. 
          NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR THAT THEY'D OPPOSED TO, AND WE, WE MADE SURE WE INCLUDED THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, UM, MR. RADDA FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THE NEIGHBORS IN, UM, COMING HERE TODAY. 
          UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, AND WE CAN ASK THE PERSON IN OPPOSITION ABOUT THIS AS WELL. 
          SHE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A STATEMENT YOU MADE, WHICH I DON'T FULLY RECALL, ABOUT SOME FINANCING COMING THROUGH AFTER THE ZONING CASE IS APPROVED. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? NO, SIR. 
          WHAT I HAD MENTIONED TO HER IS THAT WHEN WE WENT TO, WHEN WE PROPOSED TO DO THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WE HAD TOLD THEM THAT WE WOULD, WE WERE GONNA MAKE APPLICATIONS FOR TAX CREDITS. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME, UH, SOME DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING ABOUT HOW THEY WORKED AND WHETHER THEY HAD DEED RESTRICTIONS ATTACHED TO THE TAX CREDITS, AND WE TOLD 'EM THEY WEREN'T. 
          BUT THAT, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE, UH, THAT, WHERE WE'RE PIVOTING TO A, A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED PRODUCT HERE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS AT THAT MEETING, WHICH WAS VERY CONTENTIOUS, AS 
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YOU REMEMBER. 
          UM, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS, AND I AM PROUD THAT YOU'VE MADE THE CONCESSIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE, UM, AND HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM, UH, JUST THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          BUT THE, THE CITIZENS IN THAT ROOM, UM, WHO I THINK YOU'VE MADE A QUITE OF IMPRESSION TODAY WITH WANT TO SEE YOUR PRODUCT AND TALK TO YOU FACE TO FACE. 
          ARE YOU OPPOSED TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING? UH, NO, SIR. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO MEETING WITH THE, BUT THE, THE THING IS THAT THE, THESE MEETINGS KIND OF GET OUTTA HAND. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S HARD TO PLEASE EVERYBODY, UH, ON THE DEAL. 
          WE, WE TOOK THE, THE MAIN POINTS OF THEIR ARGUMENTS AND WE APPLIED THEM EXACTLY AS THEY REQUESTED. 
          THEY REQUESTED YOU DID, BUT YOU ALSO SAID YOU WOULD LET THEM SEE IT BEFORE COMING TO THE COMMISSION. 
          WELL, THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING TO SEE. 
          UH, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE NOW IS THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE ACTUAL AREA AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PICTURES THAT YOU SAW, THERE ARE JUST AN EXAMPLE OF, OF A TIME UNDERSTOOD. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DESIGNED. 
          AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL GO BACK AND TAKE WITH ENGINEERS THE SITE AND TRY TO BUILD IT AND ACCOMMODATE IT IN THE SAME WAY. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT WE WERE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING TO AGREE TO IS THAT WE WILL DO DETACH HOMES AND WE WILL DO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S I THINK WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I HAVE TO, I'M, I CAN'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF GOING AND DESIGNING APARTMENTS LIKE I DID THE LAST TIME WHERE WE EXPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING TO THAT UNTIL WE, WE, IT'S KIND OF A, WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE FIRST. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PRETTY PICTURES. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT MORE OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO CURRENTLY, UM, LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE HOMES DON'T FACE KEAST. 
          HAVE YOU CONSIDERED CONFIGURATING THE PLAN TO FACE? ABSOLUTE. 
          WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WHETHER THEY FACE KEAST OR, OR THE OTHER STREET. 
          BUT, WE'LL, WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO IS WHAT'LL WHAT WE'LL DECIDE THAT IS THE ACCESS OR THE, WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS, AND THAT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND AT THE MOMENT, THAT WOULD BE, UH, ONE ACCESS POINT AT KEY AND ANOTHER ACCESS POINT ON GUADALUPE, WHICH WOULD BE FARTHER UP THE HILL, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY SLOPES UP A HILL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DO THAT, UH, AT THE BEHEST OF THE CITY WHEN WE GO INTO PLANNING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE, WE ACCOMMODATE THE SAFETY FIRST AND, AND, AND FACE THE LOTS, UH, ACCORDINGLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF IF WILL GET A CHANCE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, YOU, UH, MR. ESTRADA? YES. 
          YOU MENTIONED YOU COULD NOT BUILD SINGLE FAMILY BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION ISSUE. 
          WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL WAS THAT THEY, UH, IT GOES UP A HILL AND THEY, THE, THE CITY IN ORDER TO REPL THIS PROPERTY, WHEN WE SUBMIT IT FOR A PLATTING APPLICATION, THEY REQUESTED THAT WE BRING THE PROPERTY DOWN TO GRADE AND IT'S ABOUT 15 FEET OF, OF LIMESTONE THAT WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE. 
          UH, UH, I THINK ALL TOLD IT WAS, UH, I THINK 3000 LOADS OF, UH, OF LIMESTONE THAT HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT. 
          AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT DOES ANY GOOD. 
          IT, IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE BEAUTY OF THE LAND, AS YOU SAID, THAT HAS TYPOGRAPHICAL CHANGES IN THE AREA. 
          AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THOSE. 
          WITH THIS PLAN, WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THE PROPERTY AS IS. 
          AND THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES IS WE'RE ABLE TO, IT, IT'S A LOT LESS DENSITY THAN WE'D LIKE, BUT, BUT IT ACCOMMODATES WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          AND YOU WON'T HAVE THE, THOSE ELEVATION ISSUES WITH TOWN HOMES? NO, BECAUSE WE'LL DO A, INSTEAD OF COMING OFF OF A STREET THE WAY THE PLAN WAS FOR THE HOMES OFF OF GUADALUPE, WE WILL USE EXISTING APPROACHES THAT ARE ON GUADALUPE FARTHER UP THE HILL, AND THEN OVER ON, ON KEITH. 
          SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO CREATE A PATH TO, TO GET TO THE HOMES IN THE INTERIOR WITHOUT HAVING TO ACCESS 'EM THROUGH THE STREETS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESITE, ARE THESE, UH, UH, PROPOSED, UH, TOWN HOMES? TWO STORY UNITS? YES. 
          YES, THEY ARE, SIR. 
          AND THEY'RE ALL, ALL GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR SALE. 
          ALL FOR SALE, AND I THINK THE MINIMUM SIZE IS 1700 SQUARE FEET EACH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND AIR CONDITIONED SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          AND, AND THIS IS REAL. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, SO I GUESS I CAN HOLD OFF OR WHAT. 
          WE WILL FINISH UP WITH THE, OUR SPEAKERS AND WE'LL GO TO STAFF LAST COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OR ON OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT STILL. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          UM, MS. TAF, CAN I ASK YOU QUESTION? OH, YOU SAID SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M, I'M NOT READY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M FINISHED. 
          I THEN I'LL HAVE ONE LAST ONE FOR YOU, MR. ESTRADA. 
          UH, SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THIS, THIS CASE KIND OF IN OUR RADAR FOR SOME TIME. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TO QUOTE COMMISSIONER HERBERT, YOU HAVE COME A LONG WAY. 
          UH, AND, UM, SO IT, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU ESSENTIALLY IS, UH, THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE AND THEREFORE YOU NEED TO FIND A, A WAY TO ADD MORE DENSITY INTO IT IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE ELEVATION ISSUE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND, UH, THAT TOOK YOU TO THE MULTIFAMILY PIECE AND, UH, IN REACTION TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PUSHBACK WE'RE NOW TO KIND OF A SHARED ACCESS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND, AND THAT GETS US TO HOW MANY UNITS EXACTLY? 15. 
          15? YES, 
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SIR. 
          AND, AND YOU WERE STATING THAT FOR THE RECORD TODAY, THOSE ARE FOR A FOR SALE PRODUCT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I QUESTIONS I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER FORSET. 
          UH, MR. ESTRADA, ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT, UH, UH, ZONING CHANGE TO TH THREE INSTEAD OF THE MF TWO? YES, I AM, SIR. 
          YOU ARE? YES. 
          I'M MY, MY APOLOGIES COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT IN, IN MY SUMMARY, I FAILED TO, TO MENTION THAT, THAT YES, NOW THAT THE APPLICATION NOW, UH, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, IS ASKING FOR THE, THE TH THREE, UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO RE-NOTICE BECAUSE HE'S ASKING FOR SOMETHING LESS THAN WHAT HIS APPLICATION IS FOR. 
          IT'S LESS DENSE. 
          UH, SO WE'RE, WE DON'T ONLY CHANGE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. 
          YES. 
          TT THREE. 
          YES. 
          UH, NOW WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          UH, LADY TAF, CAN I HAVE YOU COME DOWN FOR A SECOND? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'VE, UM, YOU'VE BEEN QUITE HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LAND USE AND THE TYPE OF LAND WE'RE BUILDING ON. 
          UM, MR. ESTRADA MENTIONED THE, UM, ELEVATION OF THE LIMESTONE. 
          COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOUR, YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THAT ELEVATION IS? MOST OF THE HOMES ALONG KESTER ALL ELEVATED, THAT PIECE OF LAND IS RISEN THE WHOLE WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON FACING KEYS CURRENTLY HAVE EITHER STONE RETAINING WALLS IN A DRIVEWAY THAT WRAPS, OR THEY HAVE STEPS THAT GO UP, BUT YOU ENTER THROUGH THE GARAGE AND MOST PEOPLE VISIT YOU. 
          THEY COME IN THROUGH THE GARAGE RATHER THAN WALKING UP THE LARGE STAIRCASE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY TO MAKE YOU WALK DOWN FOR THAT, BUT I KNOW YOUR, UM, YOUR EXPERTISE IN, UM, STONES AND GEOLOGY IS IMPORTANT, SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          CAN, CAN I ASK YOU, ELLEN, DO YOU, HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS ARGUMENT THAT THE EXCAVATION WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT NOT FOR DUKE TOWN HOMES? WELL, WE'RE SURPRISED AT THAT BECAUSE IF THE WHOLE BLOCK IS THAT WAY, AND THE MILLION $300,000 HOUSE NEXT DOOR HAS ALSO HAS AN ELEVATION EXACTLY THE SAME AS MR. ESTRADA'S LOT, AND THEY LET, HI, I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE HOUSE, BUT THEY LET HIM BUILD, HE DOESN'T OPEN ONTO KEYS, HE OPENS OFF OF GUADALUPE. 
          BUT THE, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, COULD HAVE THE FRONT DOOR FACING KEYS, BUT ENTER THROUGH THE BACK. 
          UM, IF THEY ONLY OPEN, THEY ONLY FACED KEYS, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY UP EAST. 
          AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON A STAFF PERSON SUGGESTED THAT. 
          BUT LOTS OF HOUSES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS HAVE VERY STEEP DRIVEWAYS. 
          IT'S NOT ADVISABLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT FREEZES AND RAINS OR RAINS AND FREEZES. 
          BUT IT HAS BEEN DONE. 
          DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS IS A, A, A BETTER OUTCOME, UH, BUILDING THE TOWN HOMES THAN, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY THAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE? UH, ARE YOU WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT THIS KIND OF AS A COMPROMISE FROM MR. ESTRADA? WE, WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THE COMPROMISE. 
          WE DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THE COMPROMISE TILL THIS MORNING WHEN WE WERE HERE IN THE BUILDING, SO WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT COMPROMISE. 
          SO YES, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT. 
          AND THE EIGHT TOWN HOMES WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MORE BETTER THAN A FOUR STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          I THINK IT'S 15, RIGHT? OH, OKAY. 
          15. 
          15 TOWN HOMES. 
          EXCUSE ME, SIR. 
          15 TOWN HOMES. 
          BUT THE TOWN HOMES ARE DEFINITELY BETTER THAN THE APARTMENTS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          LAST CHAIR, RUBEN, MS. TAPS, I GUESS YOU'RE YOUR, OUR STONE EXCERPT. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING YOU FROM ON STONE IN A, A COUPLE CASES TODAY, GET COMFORTABLE. 
          BUT, UH, MY QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT STONE. 
          UM, MS. SANDERS MENTIONED THAT I THINK SHE'S MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY ADJACENT. 
          WHERE ARE YOU AND WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD DO YOU REPRESENT? I, I AM IN DISTRICT THREE. 
          I'M ABOUT FOUR MILES AWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M IN THE MOUNTAIN CREEK AREA. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? YOUR MIC IS ON. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE. 
          UM, MR. PEPE? YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH. 
          UM, MR. PEPE, WE, UM, WE SPOKE ABOUT THE, UM, THE EIGHT HOMES AND THE TROUBLES THAT, 
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UH, MR. ESTRADA RAN INTO. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT WAS AN ASK OF ME AND COUNCILMAN GRACIE, IF YOU COULD INVESTIGATE TO SEE WHAT STAFF OR WHAT, WHAT, DID YOU EVER FIND OUT WHERE THE CALL FOR, UM, THEM NOT TO BUILD THE EIGHT CAME FROM? WAS THAT INVESTIGATED OR FIGURED OUT? WELL, I DID, I ASKED THE APPLICANT FOR DOCUMENTATION OF THAT, AND THEY COULDN'T TURN IT UP. 
          IT WOULD SEEM, I CAN ONLY ASSUME IT'S IN RELATION TO RUNNING UTILITIES, ESPECIALLY FROM A MULTIPLE, UH, WHERE MULTIPLE COME INTO THE SITE VERSUS, UM, VERSUS IN A SHARED ACCESS WHEN THERE'S ONE OR TWO ACCESS POINTS. 
          BUT I, I COULD NOT TURN ANYTHING ELSE UP, BUT I DID ASK THEM FOR DOCUMENTATION OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS, THIS PLAN CAME TO ME THE NIGHT BEFORE LAST AS WELL, SO I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SLEEP ON IT AND STUDY IT, BUT, UM, THERE'S, I NOTICED THE FIRE LANES ARE THERE AND THERE'S SOME, THE OTHER ACCESS THINGS ARE THERE, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO, UH, HAVING SOME OF THE HOMES FACED KEYED? WELL, YES. 
          I, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO REWORK THEIR PLAN TO A DEGREE IF THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          UM, I SEE OBVIOUSLY ON THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN OR THEIR, UH, THEIR ILLUSTRATED PLAN, THEY HAVE GARAGES FACING KEAST. 
          UH, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING FRONT DOORS, SPACE KEAST, PRESUMABLY THEY COULD TURN THEIR, THEY HAVE TO HAVE, MAIN THING IS AT THE HEIGHT THAT THEY HAD, THEY HAVE TO HAVE 24 FOOT OF FIRE LANE, UM, ACCESS THE GARAGE OF EACH UNIT, BASICALLY. 
          THINK OF IT THAT WAY. 
          UH, CONCEIVABLY IF THEY SWITCHED IT UP, PUT THE GARAGE LOWER, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DRIVEWAY LOWER, THEY COULD HAVE A, A ROW OF THEM FACING THAT WAY. 
          BUT, UH, WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE, WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE GENERAL ZONING CHANGE, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY MANDATE IT, BUT OKAY. 
          UM, UM, IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE, I IMAGINE. 
          YEAH. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          THE LOAN KEYS, THE SETBACKS ON KEYS ARE LARGE, UM, UH, PRETTY FAR BACK, UH, SET TEN, TEN FIVE, ONE ACRE, LIKE THEY'RE LARGE SETBACKS. 
          WILL THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE SETBACKS FOR THESE HOMES? THEY WILL. 
          THE 30 FOOT BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY WILL APPLY ON GUADALUPE FROM THE ADJACENCY TO R 10 AND 25 WILL APPLY ON KEYS FROM THE ADJACENCY TO R SEVEN FIVE, UH, FRONT SETBACKS, SO GOTCHA. 
          THOSE ARE ASSESSED IN A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT AS KIND OF ONE BLOCK AS IF THE WHOLE THING WAS ONE, BUT YOU STILL GET 25 FOOT BACK, FOR EXAMPLE, ON EAST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LAST QUESTION. 
          THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL HOME BEHIND THE LOT HERE. 
          UM, WILL THERE BE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY IN PLACE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE DOESN'T APPLY TO TH IN THE SAME WAY IT MAY APPLY TO MULTIFAMILY. 
          IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S A, ESSENTIALLY A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. 
          IT, UM, DOESN'T APPLY TO TH UH, THE HEIGHT FOR TH MAXIMUM IS 36. 
          UH, I WILL SAY THAT THE, THE ONE THING THAT DOES LIMIT THEIR HEIGHT IS THE WIDTH OF THEIR FIRE LANES. 
          IF YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE WIDER FIRE LINES IF YOU INCREASE YOUR, YOUR HEIGHT OVER, UH, I WANNA SAY 30 SOMETHING. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          UM, SO THAT PLAYS IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S NOT RRP S AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTION. 
          WHO'S GONNA ANSWER THAT? UM, IF THIS, IF, IF IT WAS A FIFTH, WE'D ALL BE DRUNK. 
          BUT IF THIS WAS APPROVED TODAY AND, UM, GOES TO COUNSEL AND MR. ESTRADA MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS BETWEEN NOW AND COUNSEL, WILL MY COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE ANY ABILITY FOR DEED RESTRICTIONS OR OTHER ADDITIVES TO THIS CASE? COMMISSIONER, I WAS A GOOD ONE. 
          UH, AN APPLICANT CAN VOLUNTEER SOMETHING, SOMETHING AT THE PODIUM DURING COUNCIL, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I AGREE WITH HIM. 
          , THAT'S WISE. 
          UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, WE'RE READY FOR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I AM NOT READY FOR A MOTION. 
          NO. 
          UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A REALLY HARD CASE FOR ME. 
          UM, I, I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHERE EVERYBODY'S COMING FROM AND, UM, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SHOOT FOR THE STARS TO LAND AMONGST THE MOON OR SHOOT FOR THE MOON LAND, ONE OF THOSE. 
          UM, SO I'M GOING TO, UH, IN THE CASE OF 2 2 3 1 1 7, DOES I SAY THAT RIGHT? 2 1 7. 
          2 1 7. 
          UM, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING 
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OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THIS FIRST MEETING OF JUNE. 
          JUNE 4TH, SIXTH, JUNE 6TH. 
          CAN I GET A SECOND? COMMISSIONER BLAIR SECOND IT, UH, COMMENTS AND I'LL COMMENT, MR. PLEASE. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE MEETINGS WE'D HAD, THE MEETING WE HAD WAS SO CONTENTIOUS AND SO HIGH LEVEL, UM, ON BOTH SIDES. 
          IT, IT, IT JUST, IT WAS CRAZY. 
          UM, AND I CAN'T SEE ME APPROVING THIS WITHOUT HAVING THE NEIGHBORS AND THE BUILDER HIMSELF, UH, COME TO THE TABLE AGAIN TO HAVE A MORE THOROUGH CONVERSATION AT A LOWER LEVEL. 
          UM, I THINK HE'S MADE A LOT OF CONSCIOUS DECISIONS, UM, TO GET HERE. 
          I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WILL APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THEY JUST NEED TO HEAR IT FROM HIM. 
          UM, ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE NOT, I GOT THIS PLAN NIGHT BEFORE LAST AND HAVE NOT DUG IN DEEPER THAN BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY AND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, SO I WOULD LIKE MORE TIME, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AS WE DEAL WITH SO MUCH OTHER THINGS, UM, TO HAVE A GIVE, UM, THIS, THIS, THIS FAMILY TEAM A CHANCE TO PRESENT THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          COMMISSIONER HOUSER, UH, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO DELAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE A, A CASE HERE WITH, UH, OWNER OCCUPIED SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN FRONT OF US, UH, BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, AND, UM, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE IS NOT RELEVANT IN A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE LIKE THIS. 
          UM, ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S A RENTAL TOWNHOUSE PROJECT OF PROBABLY GREATER DENSITY THAN WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED HERE. 
          AND I DON'T SEE ANY NEED TO HOLD THE CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER CO COMMISSIONER CHERNO? YES, I, UM, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I APPRECIATE, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S EFFORT TO, TO TRY TO RECONCILE AND RESOLVE THE DIFFERENCES OF THE DEVELOPER AND THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT IT'S NOT THE PREROGATIVE OF THIS COMMISSION TO BE FACILITATING DEVELOPMENT BY CONSENSUS. 
          WE'RE HERE TO MAKE A LAND USE RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME THAT THIS HAS BEEN, THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH TIME WE'VE HELD THIS OVER. 
          AND BY SEEMINGLY FIXING THE PROBLEM THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S IDENTIFIED WITH EVERYBODY NOT AGREEING ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN AT THE SITE, WE'RE CREATING A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER ISSUES BY CLOGGING UP OUR SYSTEM AND NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE BUSINESS ALONG AT A, AT A REASONABLE RATE FOR ALL THE OTHER APPLICANTS AND ALL THE OTHER CITIZENS THAT ARE WAITING IN LINE. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY TAKING A YEAR TO GET A, UH, CASE SEEN AND HEARD AND PROCESSED. 
          AND I, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE BIGGER PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO BE, UH, ADDRESSING. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER RUBENFELD, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, I, I'M CERTAINLY NOT ABLE TO SORT OUT ALL THE COMPLICATED DYNAMICS ON THIS ONE BETWEEN THE, THE, UM, DEVELOPER AND THE FOLKS IN OPPOSITION. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN AT THE TABLE, SO I DON'T WANNA WADE IN ON THAT PIECE. 
          BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S EARLIER SUGGESTION THAT THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS CONTINUE, UM, AS THIS CASE WORKS ITS WAY TO COUNSEL, I THINK IS PROBABLY AN OUTCOME THAT I THINK WOULD BE PREFERABLE, UM, WITH THE POTENTIAL OF MAYBE A FEW DEED RESTRICTIONS BEING WORKED OUT BETWEEN NOW AND COUNSEL. 
          UM, CONSIDERING HOW LONG THIS CASE HAS BEEN PENDING IN THE APPLICANT'S, I THINK VERY MEANINGFUL MOVE TO TH THREE. 
          SO I'M NOT 100% SURE WHERE I LAND YET, BUT I PROBABLY LEAN TOWARDS, UM, MOVING THIS ALONG TO COUNCIL TODAY AS OPPOSED TO HOLDING IT FOR ANOTHER MONTH. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOW THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          YEAH, I, I ALSO UNFORTUNATELY AM HAVING DIFFICULTY SUPPORTING THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING, UM, CASE. 
          I, I SEE SOME POTENTIAL FOR THE TWO SIDES COMING TOGETHER. 
          I DON'T SEE THE REASON WHAT, WHAT'S GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN 30 DAYS. 
          I THINK THE, THE MEETINGS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE COULD JUST AS EASILY TAKE PLACE BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL, AND THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCILMAN TO TAKE WHATEVER TIME HE NEEDS AND TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES AT COUNCIL. 
          SO, GIVEN THE LARGE NUMBER OF TIMES WE'VE HELD THE CASE, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE CASE TODAY. 
          BUT COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU THERE? USUALLY, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD FOLLOW, UM, THE COMMISSIONER RECOMMENDATION IN THESE CASES, BUT WE JUST HAD A CASE KIND OF SIMILAR TO THIS ENCOUNT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER 
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BLAS, UM, DISTRICT, UM, TODAY. 
          AND SO IN THIS CASE WHERE WE'VE HELD THIS, I KNOW, UM, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CASES WHEN I FIRST CAME TO COMMISSION RIGHT AFTER, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, HERBERT CAME. 
          AND I THINK THAT THIS, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS, HAS REACHED A COMPROMISE. 
          AND THEN A, A, A TIME WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING TO MEET THE DEMAND THAT WE CAN'T KEEP HOLDING CASES. 
          UH, I REALLY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY COULDN'T GET THE R SEVEN FIVE, BUT BECAUSE THEY'VE EVEN MOVED CLOSER TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED THAT THEY WORK, WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY JUST KEEP COMING UP. 
          WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT. 
          AND THEY, AND THEY, WHATEVER NUANCES, IF IT'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THEY WANNA SEE, UM, THAT IT WORK AFTER US, BUT THIS, THIS, THIS, WE'RE SETTING A BAD PRECEDENT FOR PEOPLE THAT'S WANTING TO COME IN AND BUILD IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND IN ONE AREA WE APPROVE IT. 
          UH, AND THEN THE NEXT AREA WE HOLD IT UP. 
          UM, BOTH NEIGHBORS IN BOTH OF THESE COMMUNITIES ON TWO DIFFERENT SIDES OF DALLAS, BOTH WANTED THE SAME THING TO KEEP THEIR, THEIR, THEIR RT IN THE STATE. 
          UH, UH, PRETTY MUCH THEY NOT CALL ESTATES OVER IN, IN IN DISTRICT EIGHT, BUT THEY CAN, THEY COULD BE QUALIFIED AS A STATE. 
          THEY'RE LARGE. 
          UM, AND WE MOVE FORWARD, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ONE ALSO, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER HER HERBERT'S MOTION. 
          I LIVE JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM, FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I, I CAN TESTIFY TO WHAT ELLEN TAF SAID TODAY THAT ALL OF THE HOMES IN THIS AREA ARE ON ELEVATIONS. 
          UH, MY HOME IS ON A HILL ON A SLOPE, AND IT'S BUILT ON TOP OF THE GARAGE, WHICH IS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, I ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT HELD ON THIS CASE, UH, WHAT, A MONTH AGO NOW. 
          AND, UM, THERE, THERE IS TREMENDOUS, UH, DISTRUST, IF YOU WILL, IN THE, IN THE D THREE COMMUNITY TOWARDS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THIS AREA. 
          THEY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, FORCED TO, TO COEXIST WITH SUBSTANDARD HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, ANJA SANDERS PROPERTY AT KEITH FOREST THAT ARE ALL WHITE COLLABORATE HOMES THAT, UH, ARE SUBSTANDARD THAT THEY, THEY COULDN'T EVEN SELL, AND SO THEREFORE THEY HAD TO RENT OUT. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED CAMDEN, WHERE ALL THE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED THERE, AGAIN, NOT THE BEST QUALITY, AND, AND THEY'RE ONLY AVAILABLE FOR, FOR RENT AT $2,600 A MONTH. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE, THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND, AND, UM, SINCE THIS WAS A PROPOSAL WAS JUST GIVEN TO, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT ON THURSDAY NIGHT, WE NEED TO GIVE HIM AND THE COMMUNITY TIME TO KIND OF DIGEST THIS AND, AND TALK ABOUT IT WITH MR. ESTRADA. 
          AND I THINK BY JUNE 6TH, WE CAN HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, UH, HOPEFULLY THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WILL BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO ACCEPT THIS, UH, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE. 
          SECOND ROUND. 
          UM, JUST TO REWIND, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR. 
          UM, WHEN I MET WITH MR. ESTRADA, I MET AFTER THIS WAS ON THE DOCKET, THE VERY FIRST TIME WITHOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WITHOUT THE REACH OUT. 
          AND I WAS TOLD I DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. 
          OKAY? THAT'S WHAT I GO TO MY COMMUNITY WITH. 
          HEY, WE GOTTA BUILD GUYS, LET'S ROOKIE DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. 
          HE WANTS TO BUILD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LET'S HAVE A MEETING. 
          IMMEDIATELY, I RES GOT RESPONSES FROM MY COMMUNITY THAT SAID, HE'S NOT A ROOKIE. 
          HE'S BEEN DEVELOPING HOMES FOR YEARS. 
          RIGHT? BROKE IT DOWN TO MR. ESTRADA. 
          HE EXPLAINED, WELL, NORMALLY I DON'T HAVE TO COME FOR ZONING, I GET IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? BUT WE CAN'T PUNISH THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE OUR BUILDERS DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS, RIGHT? EVERY MEETING WE HAD, IT WAS HELD IN A QUICK, THE MEETING WE HAD WAS HELD THE WAY IT WAS HELD BECAUSE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN LAST MINUTE WE MET TODAY. 
          AND AGAIN, INFORMATION WAS GIVEN LAST MINUTE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND I, I, I REALLY HONOR YOU GUYS' SUGGESTIONS AND, AND THOUGHTS. 
          UM, BUT WE PUNISHING THE NEIGHBORS 
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FOR THE DEVELOPERS, EITHER NOT KNOWING OR JUST BEING BAD ACTORS, WHICH I WON'T SAY AS MR. ESTRADA IS, UM, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH, UM, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING IT RIGHT, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT, AND DOESN'T MEAN IT FITS THE CHARACTER. 
          I, I, I'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THE, THE, THE LENGTH OF TIME WE'VE GOTTEN HERE, UM, THE MEETINGS WE'VE HAD AT THE HORSESHOE AND IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY I'M WHERE I'M AT TODAY, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS WORKED HARD ON BUILDING THEIR TRUST FOR MR. ESTRADA. 
          AND I THINK THEY'RE AT A POINT WHERE THEY, THEY'RE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, I LIKE THIS. 
          I LIKE WHERE HE'S GOING. 
          I'M STARTING TO BELIEVE HIM NOW. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE THERE ACCORDING TO THE COMMUNICATIONS I'VE BEEN GETTING THROUGH THE EMAILS. 
          SO, UM, I, I USE THIS ROUND TWO TO KIND OF BASE WHY I MADE THAT DECISION, BUT I'M HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU PAUSED BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR MOTION BECAUSE THESE, YOU KNOW, SURPRISE, WHAT WE DO IS NOT EASY, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, UH, THESE ARE TOUGH LITTLE DECISIONS THAT ARE HIDDEN ON THE DOCKET. 
          AND, UH, AS, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'RE, WERE PUT UNDER TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRESSURE. 
          AND FRANKLY, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS SET BY, BY THE FOLKS THAT ARE READY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. 
          UH, I, I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME GOOD CONCESSIONS. 
          I THINK THERE'LL BE 15 HOMES THAT'LL HAVE 15 WONDERFUL POTENTIALLY FAMILIES LIVING THERE NEXT TO OTHER WONDERFUL PEOPLE. 
          BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THIS IS WAS A LAST MINUTE ADJUSTMENT, AND I SEE WHERE COMMISSIONER HERBERT IS, WANTS TO BE CAREFUL AND, UH, IS ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME. 
          UH, WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE FOLKS IN OPPOSITION, FRANKLY, THAT THEY THOUGHT THIS MIGHT NOT BE SUCH A BAD IDEA. 
          UH, AND SO WHY NOT GO AHEAD AND HAVE THEM COME AROUND ONE MORE TIME. 
          AND, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A FINAL VOTE ON THIS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I SECOND IT. 
          SO, UM, OF COURSE I'M VOTING WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, BUT I ALSO KNOW THIS COMMUNITY, AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE A VERY FORCEFUL VOCAL COMMUNITY THAT HAS VERY STRONG IDEOLOGY OF PROCESS. 
          AND THEY, AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE ESTRADA FAMILY, AND YES, THEY HAVE BEEN BUILDING, THEY DO TRY TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY BEFORE MR. HERBERT GOT HERE. 
          I DID THIS FOR DISTRICT THREE, AND I DEALT WITH MR. ESTRADA AND HIS SON AND HIS DAUGHTER. 
          AND I DO KNOW THAT THEY ARE REALLY TRYING THEIR LEVEL BEST TO BRING A PRODUCT THAT IS SOMETHING VIABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          I, I KNOW MS. SANDERS, I'VE WORKED WITH MS. TAF, AND YES, IF YOU WANNA KNOW ANYTHING TO HAVE TO DO WITH, WITH, WITH WALL, WITH RETAINING WALLS, YOU ASK HER, UM, I KNOW, I KNOW MR. BAKER, I'VE WORKED WITH HIM. 
          HE TOO IS A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH. 
          UM, I AM NOT ENVIOUS OF THE POSITION MR. HERBERT IS COMMISSIONER HERBERT IS IN. 
          BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND A DISTRICT LIKE HIS, I TOO HAD JUST HAD THE CASE WHERE I HAD TO MAKE A HARD DECISION AND I, I MADE THE BEST DECISION BASED ON WHAT I HAD. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD THAT HE HAS NOT BEEN AFFORDED WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOUGHTFULLY TIMED AND PLANNED COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH UPDATED INFORMATION W WITH MY CASE. 
          I HAVE HAD OVER A YEAR TO HAVE HIM. 
          HE HAS NOT. 
          SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I WILL VOTE THE WAY HE WOULD LIKE. 
          IT IS HIS DISTRICT, AND HE KNOWS, AND HE KNOWS THEM AS WELL AS I DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          WELL, I'LL ADMIT THAT I DON'T KNOW DISTRICT THREE THE WAY THAT THAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR, COMMISSIONER HERBERT DO, BUT WE DO HAVE AN EQUITY POLICY IN THIS CITY. 
          AND AS SOMEBODY FROM DISTRICT 14, IF I DON'T KNOW YOUR DISTRICT, WHAT I OUGHT TO DO IS LISTEN TO 
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YOU ABOUT YOUR DISTRICT. 
          AND WHAT I OUGHT TO DO IS RECOGNIZE THAT YOUR DISTRICT HAS HISTORICALLY NOT BEEN GIVEN THE SAME, UM, OPPORTUNITIES AND RESPECT AND, UM, TOOLS THAT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN GIVEN. 
          AND SOMETIMES THE CHOICES I MIGHT MAKE IN A CASE LIKE THIS IN MAYBE PARTS OF THE CITY A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH, UM, IN THE, IN A SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCE, UH, I MIGHT NOT MAKE IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY THAT HAS HAD SOME CHALLENGES THAT OTHER PARTS HAVEN'T HAD. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT YOU IN YOUR MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER . 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEBATE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE. 
          FROM TIME TO TIME, WE, WE'VE HEARD UNSUBSTANTIATED A ALLEGATIONS ABOUT THE, THE MOTIVES AND THE QUALITY OF THE APPLICANT, ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THEIR PRODUCT, ABOUT ENGINEERING ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF, OF OUR PURVIEW. 
          AND I DON'T LIKE SITTING ON A COMMISSION WHERE WE'RE DEBATING EVERYTHING BUT LAND USE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE DO NEED TO MAKE A BETTER EFFORT TO STAY IN OUR LANE. 
          UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE TAKE A RECORDED VOTE? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IN MOST AREAS OF DISTRICT THREE, I, I'M GOING TO SAY THEY DO NOT GET, UM, DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          WE ALL KNOW SOUTH 30. 
          DON'T ALWAYS GET THAT COMMUNICATION. 
          UM, DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE LEVEL OF, OF MEETINGS, THE LEVEL OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AT MEETINGS. 
          UM, I, UH, AND, AND SOME OF US, UH, THAT ACTUALLY SIT IN THOSE SEATS IN THOSE AREA IS VERY, VERY HEAVILY IN, UM, HEAVILY INVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          IF WE CALL A MEETING PEOPLE SHOW. 
          BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN, UM, QUICK AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN, UH, A, A YEAR. 
          IT'S BEEN A YEAR, AND, AND I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SCARED THAT WHAT'S NOT GONNA BE RIGHT, BUT I'M THINKING, I, I'M, I'M MORE SCARED THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT LEAVES US TODAY DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. 
          I KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE COMMISSIONER AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WORKED REALLY CLOSE TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND IN BETWEEN THAT TIME, GETTING THOSE PLANS TOGETHER, BECAUSE JUST 'CAUSE IT, IT PASSES COMMISSION DOES NOT MEAN IT PASSES COUNSEL AND, AND, AND DOESN'T MEAN IT GETS ON THEIR DOCKET. 
          AND US GETTING IT PAST COUNSEL HELPS MOVE IT FURTHER ALONG. 
          AND THE ONLY REASON THAT I, I'M, I'M EVEN SPEAKING TO THAT IS BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER BLUR JUST HAD A MA IF IT WAS ME AND HER SITUATION, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF, UH, DOCKETS BACK ON THIS DAY TODAY. 
          I, I DON'T THINK I COULD HAVE MADE THAT CALL OVER IN RTN, UM, IN THAT AREA TO PUT SOME HOUSING AND CAPPING. 
          BUT IN THIS AREA, THEY'VE BEEN VERY MUCH INVOLVED. 
          THEY'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL. 
          THEY'VE BOTH, BOTH PARTS BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE WHERE OVER A YEAR THEY'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH AND WE GOT TO JUST THE END OF THE ROAD AND A MONTH, THEM LOOKING AT IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          HOW DOES THAT CHANGE IT? IF WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON IT, I THINK WE REALLY JUST SHOULD VOTE ON IT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A SITUATION IN DISTRICT THREE WHERE THEY'RE NOT HEAVILY INVOLVED. 
          THERE IS PARTS OF OUR DISTRICT THAT IS GETTING HEAVILY INVOLVED. 
          UM, I HAVE THE SAME DIFFERENT F FRAZIER. 
          I MEAN, UM, FRI IN, IN, IN, IN, IN THE PLEASANT GROVES. 
          UM, BUCK TERRACE AREA IS GONNA BE MORE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN MY AREA OFTEN BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO TO CALL, WHAT TO CALL AND WHATEVER. 
          AND THIS IS ABOUT THE SAME AS IN MY AREA, IN THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, SO WE LOST YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND TO WORK WITH OUR COUNSELOR MEMBER. 
          UM, I, WE MET, UM, I HAD THE SAME SITUATION GO ON AND WITH THE, WITH THE CASE IN MY DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND, AND WE HAD TO WORK PAST IT. 
          BUT I, I JUST DON'T THINK ANOTHER MONTH, UH, WITH, WITH DO NOTHING. 
          AND I USUALLY WOULD BE 100% AGREEABLE, BUT THIS IS ONE YEAR. 
          UM, AND LET'S LET THE COUNCIL, LET THEM WORK BETWEEN COUNCIL AND, AND, AND DATE TO FINISH THIS PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, IT'S TIME TO VOTE. 
          COMMISSIONERS IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 2 2 1 7. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT. 
          SECOND ON 
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COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNDER MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO JUNE 6TH. 
          LET'S TAKE A RECORD VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH DISTRICT 13. 
          YES. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN, SHE SAID NO, I BELIEVE SHE SAID NO. 
          NO. 
          DISTRICT 10. 
          SORRY. 
          . 
          DISTRICT 10? NO. 
          DISTRICT ONE. 
          DISTRICT 15? YES. 
          DISTRICT 12? YES. 
          DISTRICT NINE. 
          DISTRICT FIVE? YES. 
          DISTRICT THREE? YES. 
          DISTRICT TWO? YES. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. 
          DISTRICT 11? YES. 
          DISTRICT 14. 
          YES. 
          AND DISTRICT FOUR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          I DIDN'T GET, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I DIDN'T, I MISSED DISTRICT FOUR. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          NO. 
          SIX. 
          DISTRICT SIX. 
          DISTRICT SIX WOULD'VE I WOULD'VE VOTED. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          THAT'S FOREIGN OPPOSITION. 
          YEAH. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          WE'LL SEE YOU, UH, FOLKS ON THE SIX. 
          TAKE THIS TO CASE NUMBER 17, MR. BATE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS ITEM 17, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 300. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF HENDRICKS AVENUE, EAST OF SOUTH FAMILY DRIVE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL. 
          IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES, SIR. 
          WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UH, YOU HAVE PRESENTATION, SIR? DO YOU NEED A HAND FOR SHARING IT? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          UM, I'M JACK ROWE. 
          I LIVE AT 37 59 BOULEVARD DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          UH, HERE'S THE ZONING CASE. 
          IT'S BEEN, THIS IS OUR THIRD TIME UP HERE. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO APPLIED OVER A YEAR AGO. 
          JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE. 
          UM, SO HERE'S THIS SITE. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT. 
          IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VACANT LOT, UH, IN THE BRENTWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S REDUNDANT. 
          SO, UM, I, I DO WANT TO, I'M GETTING AHEAD OF, OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING FOR TOWNHOME ZONING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A DU A DUPLEX. 
          SO TWO HOUSES ON ONE HOME. 
          I'VE LIVED IN DUPLEXES IN NICE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, NORTH OAK LAWN. 
          IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL HOMES. 
          UM, THERE'S THIS IDEA ABOUT PRECEDENT, UH, WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT HERE. 
          THESE ARE MORE CONCERNS THAT I CAN ADDRESS IN A SECOND. 
          BUT FIRST I WANNA FOCUS ON THE SITE SPECIFIC INFORMATION BEHIND MY HOU. 
          THIS LOT IS AN ENTIRE BLOCK OR HALF BLOCK OF COMMERCIALLY ZONE PROPERTY. 
          MOST OF IT VACANT, UH, OR NOT CARED FOR. 
          UM, SO THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONE LOT AND A SUBDIVISION SURROUNDED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE ONE BLOCK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS HALF COMMERCIAL. 
          IT'S ALSO AS THE RED LINE SHOWS INCREDIBLY CLOSE TO THE DART STATION AND ANOTHER DART STATION AND A ZOO, AND LESS THAN A MILE FROM THE NEW DECK PARK, UH, WHICH IS GONNA BE VERY NICE. 
          WE ENJOY GOING TO CLA WARREN WITH OUR DAUGHTER. 
          I'M SURE THIS WILL BE JUST AS NICE. 
          UM, THIS IS REALLY JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THE PROXIMITY TO A LOT OF COMMERCIAL. 
          SO MUCH MORE INTENSIVE USE. 
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UH, TYPICALLY IN URBAN PLANNING, UM, THESE SORTS OF THIS WOULD BE A TRANSITIONARY BLOCK. 
          UH, A TOWN HOME IS PRETTY GENTLE ON THE TRANSITION, UH, FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BY AN INCREMENT OF ONE. 
          UM, SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS ARE REALLY, FRANKLY, ADDRESSED BY, UM, LIKE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. 
          ANYWAY, UH, I VOLUNTEERED THAT WE CAN ADD THOSE AS, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THE EVENT THE CITY CHANGES. 
          ANY POLICIES, UH, TO GIVE FURTHER ASSURANCE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD, UM, A SKYSCRAPER. 
          WE'RE JUST GOING FOR A TWO STORY TOWN HOME HERE. 
          UM, SETBACKS WOULD BE THE SAME AS SINGLE FAMILY HEIGHTS, SAME, UH, PARKING TWO SPACES PER UNIT IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS ZONING APPLICATION KIND OF SATISFIES A LOT OF EXPLICIT GOALS STATED BY THE CITY. 
          UM, IF YOU WANT ME TO READ 'EM, I CAN, BUT THIS IS A SOUTHERN SECTOR DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY ON A VACANT LOT. 
          UM, IT'S AN ILLEGAL DUMP SITE NOW THAT COST ME A LOT OF MONEY OVER THE FIVE YEARS I'VE OWNED IT. 
          UM, ENCOURAGE ALTERNATIVES TO SINGLE FAMILY, HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, CLOSE TO DAR STATIONS. 
          I MEAN, THIS, WHEN WE CAME IN HERE, THOUGHT IT WAS A HOME RUN, KIND OF NO BRAINER. 
          UM, REZONING. 
          THREE MINUTES ARE UP. 
          SIR, PLEASE STAND BY. 
          THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE IN SUPPORT. 
          DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KIMBERLY BORGESS. 
          I ALSO OWN THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, THAT WAS MY HUSBAND. 
          I JUST DIDN'T CHANGE MY NAME 'CAUSE I'M STUBBORN . 
          UM, WE BOUGHT THIS LOT, UM, WITH MY SAVINGS, WHICH I'M VERY, VERY PROUD OF. 
          UM, I WORKED IN CAR SALES FOR QUITE A BIT AND IT HAS BEEN MY DREAM TO GET INTO, UM, BUILDING A HOME FOR US. 
          BUILDING A TOWN HOME. 
          LIKE YOU MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          WE'VE LIVED IN DUPLEXES WITH OUR DAUGHTER. 
          UM, I LOVE THE TIGHT COMMUNITY FEEL. 
          AND SO THE PURPOSE OF BUYING THIS LOT WITH OUR SAVINGS WAS TO EVENTUALLY DEVELOP, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD ENJOY, THAT THEY COULD MAKE USE OF FOR MULTIPLE FAMILIES. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT AFRAID TO LIVE CLOSE TO SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY ENVISIONED OURSELVES LIVING IN THIS TOWN HOME. 
          UM, AND SO I HOPE WE GET APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? ANY SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? YES, MA'AM. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON TO GOD BE THE GLORY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. 
          BEAUTIFUL EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS MAE MARGARET CROSBY. 
          I LIVE AT 1322 HENDRICKS AVENUE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          7 5 2 1 6. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE EVER SINCE 1965. 
          TO GOD BE THE GLORY. 
          I AM 80 YEARS OLD STANDING TALL HERE, SPEAKING ON THE BEHALF OF THE FAMILIES. 
          IN REFERENCE TO THE CASE Z 2 23 DASH 300, WE, THE RESIDENTS OF, UH, HENDRICKS AVENUE AND THE BRETT WOOD TRINITY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD HEREBY SUBMITTED A PETITION. 
          AND WE HAVE THAT PETITION HERE TODAY, AND I BELIEVE YOU MIGHT HAVE A COPY OF IT TO SUPPORT WHAT WE ARE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS. 
          WE URGE THE CPC TO REJECT THE CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AT 1311 HENDRICKS AVENUE. 
          AND IT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN VACANT. 
          IT WAS A HOUSE THERE. 
          I KNEW THE FAMILY WELL, THEY PASSED ON, AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGED DALLAS. 
          AND THAT WAS IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 1 16. 
          FROM THE 
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R FIVE TO THE TH DASH THREE ZONING. 
          NOW OUR AIM IS CLEAR. 
          WE ADVOCATE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THIS PROPERTY THAT ALIGNS HARMONIOUSLY WITH THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE, WE, WITH INTENSE EMOTION, PASSION, AND FORCEFULNESS, OPPOSE A PROPOSAL TO ERECT A DUPLEX WHICH MAY TURN INTO MAYBE, EVENTUALLY INTO A TWO STORY TOWNHOUSE EVENT IF WE OPEN IT UP FOR THAT ZONING. 
          SUCH A DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A IN HARMONY OR AGREEMENT WITH, WITH OUR SURROUNDINGS. 
          THANK YOU LORD. 
          EXPECTATIONS OR NORM, IT SUGGESTS A LACK OF CONSISTENCY, COMPATIBILITY IN THE ESSENCE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE MAKING A SITUATION, UH, MAKING IT A SITUATION AND A PROBLEM OR A NEGATIVE CONDITION, WORSE OR MORE SEVERE IN OUR PARKING SITUATION. 
          NOW I KNOW HE BACKED IT UP WITH WHAT, WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE AREA THAT WE ARE LIVING IN. 
          BUT PEOPLE COME, FRIENDS COME. 
          WHERE ARE WE GONNA PARK? WHERE THE AMBULANCE GOING TO GOING TO BE PARKED TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP FOR EMERGENCIES. 
          WE STAND UNITED IN PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESPECTFULLY URGE THE CPC TO HONOR OUR PETITION THAT WE SUBMITTED. 
          I HAVE COMPLETED MY STATEMENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS OR IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS CAMERON GREER. 
          I LIVE ON 13 1800TH AVENUE. 
          I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY TWO YEARS AGO. 
          I PAID $435,000 FOR THAT HOUSE. 
          THAT'S $3,500 A MONTH I HAVE TO PAY. 
          SO I KNOW PRICES ARE GOING UP, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO DOWN. 
          BUT I AM SICK AND TIRED OF US BEING TREATED LIKE SAVAGES AND JUST KEEP PUTTING MORE AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ON THE BLOCK. 
          I PAID OVER $400,000 FOR THIS HOUSE TO LOOK AT CARS BEING PARKED IN THE YARD 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING. 
          I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED. 
          I AM TIRED OF OUR COMMUNITY BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY. 
          I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. 
          I GREW UP AT BUTNER TERRACE. 
          I ATTENDED SMUI KNOW THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN KESSLER PARK OR HIGHLAND PARK. 
          I WARN I AM TIRED OF BEING TREATED LIKE A SAVAGE. 
          I PAY GOOD MONEY TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          AND I AM TIRED OF THESE DUPLEXES BEING PUT IN THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. 
          WE CAN SAY WE LIKE TO BE CLOSE TO PEOPLE, BUT I BOUGHT MY HOUSE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA BE THAT CLOSE TO PEOPLE. 
          LET'S, LET'S ADMIT IT. 
          I, I WANT SOME DISTANCE. 
          I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE DRIVING INTO MY PARKWAY. 
          I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED. 
          I PAY GOOD MONEY TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FELONY FAMILY DWELLING. 
          AND I WANT TO KEEP IT LIKE THAT. 
          WE HAVE A PETITION OF 14 PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY SIGNED THIS. 
          AND IF I HAVE TO, I WILL GET MORE. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE SOME NOISE. 
          I DON'T CARE WHAT I HAVE TO DO, BUT WE'RE GONNA KEEP THIS A SINGLE DWELLING RESIDENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. 
          P OUR WILL. 
          SIR, YOU GET A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL. 
          I MAY NOT BE AS EXCITING A SPEAKER. 
          UM, I COULD USE SOME PRACTICE. 
          ALL I'M HEARING IS NOT REALLY ANY SPECIFIC CONCERN OUTSIDE OF WHAT I'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED. 
          UM, AND MAINLY INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCES ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE ACROSS THE STREET ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN MOWING THAT LOT TWICE A WEEK FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT A BUILDING GOING IN ON AN ILLEGAL DUMP SITE IS AN IMPROVEMENT. 
          UH, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A CONFUSION THAT IF I DON'T GET TOWN HOME ZONING, THAT I WILL BE FORCED TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE. 
          UM, IT'S A LOT. 
          NOW IS, COMES DOWN TO FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY WITH HIGHER RATES. 
          UM, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO BUILD A QUALITY HOME, UM, AT A PRICE POINT THAT MAYBE THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE. 
          BY SPLITTING THE LAND BASIS ACROSS TWO UNITS, TWO HOMES ON ONE LOT, I COULD DO A MUCH NICER HOUSING PRODUCT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN MYSELF, UM, 
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AND BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY, I MEAN, THERE'S NO SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT I HAVEN'T ADDRESSED. 
          HEIGHT LIMITS, UH, PARKING WE HAVE ON ONSITE PARKING. 
          UH, I HAVEN'T NOTICED ANYONE PARKING IN YARDS. 
          AND THIS, UH, ON THIS STREET THAT I'VE BEEN VISITING TWICE A WEEK FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          UH, UNLESS YOU'RE ACCOUNTING SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY IN THEIR FRONT YARD AS A PARKING IN THE YARD. 
          BUT, UM, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING NICE HERE. 
          UH, WE APPLIED OVER A YEAR AGO. 
          WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A NICE NEW TOWN HOME AND WALKING DISTANCE TO THE DECK PARK AND A DART STATION, UH, ABUTTING A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY REASONABLE FROM URBAN PLANNING STANDARDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          PLEASE STAND BY. 
          COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESITE? YES, MR. ROWE, HOW WIDE IS THE PROPERTY? IT IS A 50 FOOT LOT, 50 FOOT WIDE. 
          AND, UM, SO HOW, HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU PROPOSE TO BUILD A TWO STORY UNIT? IS THAT, UH, THE CASE? TWO STORY DUPLEX UNIT TO BUILD LIKE A MARKETABLE PROPERTY THAT I ALSO WOULD WANNA LIVE IN, WOULD NEED TO BE TWO STORIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, THE LOT SIZE AND HAVE A, A YARD THAT PEOPLE COULD ENJOY. 
          SO, UH, COULD YOU DESCRIBE TO ME HOW YOU PLAN TO HANDLE THE PARKING SITUATION? WELL, LIKE, LIKE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALLUDED TO, THIS IS LAND USE. 
          SO I DON'T, I CAN'T SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ENGINEERING A SITE BEFORE I HAVE BEFORE IT'S LEGAL TO BUILD IT. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD BE A DEED RESTRICTION REQUIRING FOUR PARKING SPACES, TWO PER UNIT, CAPPING IT TO TWO UNITS. 
          UM, AND YOU JUST LAY IT OUT ON THE SITE AND THEN YOU POUR THE PAVEMENT THERE. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER HOUSE INSTEAD. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST FOUR SPACES INSTEAD OF TWO WITH, WITH A 50 FOOT LOT AND A, AND A AND A DUPLEX UNIT. 
          UH, ARE, IS, IS THE PARKING GONNA BE IN THE FRONT OR THE BACK? I HAVE ENVISIONED, SO I WORK IN HOME BUILDING AND MY DAY JOB, UM, THIS IS A DEEPER LOT THAN IS TYPICALLY PLATTED. 
          NOW IT'S 144 FEET DEEP. 
          UH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THAT ALLOWS ME TO DO A DETACHED GARAGE TO, YOU KNOW, I, I'M AN ARCHITECTURE DESIGN PERSON AS WELL. 
          I LIKE A, A HOME WITHOUT A GARAGE IN THE FRONT. 
          THAT WAS MY PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF PUT IN THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT, UH, SO YOU'D HAVE A DEACH GARAGE, IT WOULD BE DETACHED GARAGE IN THE BACK THAT WOULD HAVE SPACES FOR FOUR CARS TO PARK? YES. 
          AND IDEALLY THE CITY WOULD MAYBE ONE DAY RE OR EVER PAVE THAT ALLEY TO BE FUNCTIONAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BECOME AN ALLEY LOADED LOT IF IT WERE EVER PAVED. 
          THE ALLEY RIGHT NOW IS NOT PAVED, IS I KNOW THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE HOPEFULLY THAT HAPPENING. 
          THE ROAD WAS PAVED ABOUT, UH, THREE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO, ABOUT A YEAR AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I I, IF YOUR ZONING REQUEST IS DENIED, WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY? I, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT UP A FENCE TO STOP ILLEGAL DUMPING. 
          I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD ANY HELP FROM THE POLICE OR ANYTHING, IT'S JUST PUT UP SIGNS THAT GET STOLEN OR KNOCKED OVER. 
          UH, SO I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT MY, MY PROPERTY. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A WAY FOR ME TO BUILD ON IT. 
          UM, THIS ISN'T, OKAY, IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, I'M JUST GONNA BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. 
          I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE MARKET GETS TO A PLACE WHERE RATES DROP TO WHERE IT BECOMES FEASIBLE. 
          SO I KNOW IT'S IN YOUR PRESENTATION, IF YOU WANNA BRING YOUR PRESENTATION BACK UP AGAIN, WOULD YOU MIND JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UH, ALL OF US, AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS HERE FROM UH, HENDRICKS AVENUE, UNDERSTAND WHAT DEED RESTRICTIONS YOU'RE WILLING TO AGREE TO OR TO SUBMIT ALONG WITH THE, UH, WITH THE ZONING CHANGE? PLEASE. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          SO THESE WERE THE EXPLICIT CONCERNS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED. 
          UM, HEIGHT, AGAIN, MOST OF THESE ARE REDUNDANT. 
          THEY'RE REQUIRED KIND OF JUST BY THE ORDINANCES, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO VOLUNTEER, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS AT EXTRA ASSURANCE FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE CONCERNED. 
          SO A HEIGHT LIMIT TO 30 FEET, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, UH, PARKING OF TWO SPACES PER UNIT, CAPPING IT AT TWO UNITS. 
          SO THAT'S FOUR SPACES THAT ASSUAGES ANY PARKING CONCERNS. 
          UH, AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN ACCOUNT FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          THAT WOULD BE ON THE LONG DRIVE GETTING TO THE BACK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAN FOUR CARS GET PARKED ON THE PAVEMENT ON THE 
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LOT. 
          UM, BUT REQUIRING FOUR SPACES. 
          AND THEN, UM, A BLOCK, WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC TERM? BLOCK FACE? UH, BASICALLY KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE SETBACKS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS, UH, AND 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACKS. 
          ALL, ALL, AGAIN, WHICH IS ALREADY REQUIRED. 
          AND, AND THE OTHER UNIT THEN THAT YOU'RE, UH, THE, THE OTHER UNIT, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE INTO ONE OF THE UNITS, IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN, IDEALLY IT WOULD BE A WAY FOR ME TO BUILD WEALTH FOR MY FAMILY BECAUSE I COULD LIVE IN A UNIT AND MANAGE A TENANT WHO IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A LAND USE CASE WE'RE GETTING FAR AHEAD OF, OF THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S IMAGINARY AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT I DID WANNA CONFIRM. 
          YOU DO, YOU ARE INTENDING TO MOVE IN ONE OF THE THAT HAS BEEN OUR, THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, CAN I ASK, UH, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY TO COME MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN REAL QUICKLY. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LAST, THE TH THREE, A ZONING BULLET. 
          I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING DEED RESTRICTED THERE. 
          CAN WE, UH, FIND OUT? I, I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT, BUT THAT'S AWESOME. 
          PLEASE. 
          THE, THAT LAST LITTLE BULLET THERE WHERE WE'RE KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A REMINDER FOR ME TO SPEAK TO VOLUNTARY DEED. 
          THIS IS NOT A LIST OF DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          THIS, THIS IS JUST SPEAKING TO CONCERNS MY DEED, MY VOLUNTARY DEED RESTRICTIONS TO SPEAK TO IT. 
          THE TOWN HUMP THING IS, IS JUST STATING THAT THERE ARE DUPLEXES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, ALTHOUGH MUCH OLDER. 
          SO THAT'S TRYING TO ADDRESS THE PRECEDENT CONCERN. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT A DEED RESTRICTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, THEN WE'LL GO TO THE FOLKS IN OPPOSITION. 
          LAST JUROR. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I FOLLOW. 
          YOU SAID THIS SIDE IS NOT THE DEED RESTRICT, THIS SLIDE IS NOT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          CAN YOU WALK, WALK THROUGH, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF LIST DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU'RE VOLUNTEERING THAT YOU CAN READ TO US OR SUMMARIZE? EXPLAIN TO US? YEAH, SO THEY WOULD BE, SO THIS IS JUST REMINDING ME THAT'S SURE. 
          WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO RESTRICTING HEIGHT TO 30 FEET IN LINE WITH THE R FIVE ZONING REQUIRING TWO SPACES PER UNIT AND CAPPING THE UNIT COUNT FOR THE TOWN HOMES AT TWO. 
          SO THAT'S FOUR SPACES. 
          IF THERE'S TWO UNITS AND THEN, UM, BLOCK, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT, BUT KEEPING IT IN LINE WITH YEP. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO SETBACK, I THINK THE ZONING WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          SO, WELL ALL, ALL OF THESE ARE TAKEN CARE OF BY ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I'M JUST VOLUNTEERING 'EM TO MAKE DOUBLY SURE THAT ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE CONCERNED, UH, KNOWS THAT THAT'LL HAPPEN. 
          UH, CAN I INTERJECT HERE? I, ONE MOMENT. 
          ONE COMMISSIONER RUBEN. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT TO PUSH A LITTLE BIT ON THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS TO SEE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET, YOU SAID YOUR INTENT IS TO PUT, UM, THE PARKING IN THE BACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'VE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT SORT OF SOME OF THE FRONT LOADED DUPLEX PRODUCT THAT WE SEE. 
          I HAVEN'T HAD CONCERN. 
          I JUST PERSONALLY LIKE IT BETTER. 
          YOU, YOU LIKE IT? YEAH. 
          I, I LIKE A, A FACADE WITHOUT A GARAGE ON IT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WITH A A DU A TOWN HOME, IT'LL LOOK NICER. 
          UH, THE SIDE IS DEEP ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE A YARD AND A DETACHED GARAGE. 
          WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COMMIT DEED RESTRICTIONS TO PUTTING THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES IN THE REAR? YEAH, I COULD DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT, I, I KNOW YOU'RE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS SAY 30 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          WHAT, WHAT HEIGHT ARE YOU ENVISIONING BUILDING AT? I HAVEN'T DESIGNED PLANS SINCE. 
          I CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, I THINK A TWO STORY BUILDING COULD FIT UNDER 30 FEET. 
          MOST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DO THAT. 
          SO IT'D BE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE TWO STORY. 
          I I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY MORE ROOM ON THE, FROM THE 30 FEET THAT YOU MIGHT FEEL COMFORTABLE GO DOWN. 
          YEAH, I DON'T SEE WHY I WOULD VOLUNTEER TO GO LESS THAN THE HOMES BUILT ON THAT STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          I I JUST KNOW PROBABLY A LOT OF THE HOMES IN THAT STREET ARE NOT BUILT UP TO 30 FEET RIGHT NOW, SO I'M JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT LOTS ON THAT STREET. 
          SURE. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT I, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN WITH, WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS BEING VERY TALL RELATIVE TO WHAT'S NEARBY. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE THAT DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT, THAT IMPOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A HEIGHT LIMITATION, RECOGNIZING THAT YOU WOULD BE BUILDING TWO UNITS, MAY BE ABLE TO ALLAY SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT SOME FOLKS MAY HAVE. 
          I GUESS YOUR LINE OF THINKING, I'M WARY OF CAP. 
          WHAT IF I NEED A ROOF PITCH THAT'S TO MAKE IT LOOK NICER AND THEN I'M AT 31 OR I'M AT 26 AND I CAN'T BUILD A NICER PRODUCT BECAUSE I SHOT MYSELF IN THE FOOT. 
          OKAY. 
          I COULD BUILD 30 FEET. 
          NOW, I, I CAN SAY THAT COULD BE BUILT NOW ON ANY LOT, REGARDLESS OF A ZONING CHANGE. 
          SURE. 
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I, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I KNOW THERE ARE DIFF I CAN'T BEGIN TO CALCULATING ROOF HEIGHT VERSUS ROOF PITCH VERSUS HEIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES MY, MY EYES, YOU KNOW, GLAZE OVER. 
          SO I KNOW THE DIFFICULTY THERE, BUT WANTED TO INQUIRE ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? WELL, THIS IS QUESTION IS FOR MARTIN. 
          UH, UH, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND MARTIN, UH, THE THREE, UH, ZONING STATUS, UH, DOESN'T HAVE A SETBACK. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? THERE'S NO SETBACK REQUIREMENT. 
          THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE WANTED, SORRY, WE'RE STILL IN QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THAT ONE. 
          WHY NOT JUST THAT ONE QUESTION LET'S YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE, THE, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE NEEDED IN THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          PLEASE. 
          WHAT IS THE, WHAT DOES THE TH THREE ZONING PROVIDE FOR THE BASE? TH THREE ZONING PROVIDES FOR A ZERO FOOT FRONT SETBACK. 
          HOWEVER, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE OVERALL HAS THE BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT. 
          UH, WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS ON ONE BLOCK, THE MOST RESTRICTIVE FRONT SETBACK APPLIES IN THIS CASE, THAT'S THE R FIVE FRONT SETBACK, WHICH IS 20 FEET. 
          AS SUCH. 
          IF YOU WERE TO JUST GRANT THIS, OR IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING CHANGE AND IT WERE IMPLEMENTED WITHOUT ANY SETBACK DEED RESTRICTIONS, THERE WOULD STILL BE SETBACKS IMPOSED UPON IT BY THE BROADER DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK IMPOSED BY BLOCK-BASED CONTINUITY. 
          THERE WOULD BE A 10 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK IMPOSED BY WELL BY SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WHERE IF TH THREE ABUTS A RESIDENTIAL IN OUR DISTRICT, THEN THE GREATER, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE SETBACK APPLIES. 
          SO IT'D BE 10 FEET FOR A DUPLEX STRUCTURE, UH, AND THEN THE REAR WOULD BE 10 FEET AS WELL. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ACTUALLY THEY NEED A 10 FEET SETBACK WITH TH THREE BECAUSE OF THIS NEXT TO AN R FIVE ON THE SIDE YARD? YES. 
          IT WOULD BE A 10 FOOT. 
          IS THAT BOTH SIDES? YARD, SIDE, YARD, YARD ON BOTH SIDES. 
          HOW, HOW, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE TO BUILD A TWO, UH, DUPLEX UNIT WITH A DRIVEWAY TO BRING THE, UH, SO THAT YOU COULD PARK IN THE BACK AND, AND, AND, AND, AND HAVE 10 FEET ON EITHER SIDE? I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE TIGHT, RIGHT? WOULD YOU AGREE, MR. MR DEBATING DESIGN ISSUES IN A AND A STRAIGHT UP ZONING CASE CASE, ITS A PERMITTING ISSUE THAT WE YES, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO FIND A DESIGN THAT WOULD WORK FOR HIM IF HE GETS THE ZONING. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND CALL THE QUESTION? WELL, WE, WE HAVEN'T FINISHED WITH THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO CALL THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT? YEAH, THERE'S NOT A MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, DO WE IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          WE WE'RE DEBATING, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION WE'RE WE'RE DEBATING ISSUES THAT AREN'T GERMA TO THE QUESTION. 
          SO, WELL, AND WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE WAITING FOR OTHER CASES THIS AFTERNOON, AND THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME WE'VE HEARD THIS CASE, AND WE JUST NEED TO CALL THE QUESTION, DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          UH, BUT EVERYBODY HASN'T SPOKEN AND, AND WE NEED TO ASK . 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THERE, THERE, MR. MOORE'S GONNA GET US A QUESTION ON THAT. 
          IT IS A NON DEBATABLE, TWO THIRDS MOTION. 
          IT, IT MUST BE SECONDED. 
          IT IS A NON DEBATABLE MOTION. 
          IT REQUIRES A SECOND. 
          IT'S NON DEBATABLE AND REQUIRES A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE. 
          DID YOU CATCH IT? COMMISSIONER HU? THERE THERE WAS NO MOTION MADE. 
          SO HE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION TO CALL A QUESTION. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT NEEDS A VOTE AND THAT NEEDS TO BE SECONDED. 
          AND THEN IT'S A TWO THIRDS VOTE. 
          OKAY? YES. 
          DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WHAT, WHAT POINT OF EXCUSE. 
          WHY DON'T WE CALL THE QUESTION BEFORE WE GET, BEFORE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS CAN EVEN THINK ABOUT VOTING? POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          DOESN'T THERE NEED TO BE AN UNDERLYING MOTION MADE BEFORE THE QUESTION CAN BE CALLED UNDER THAT MOTION UNDER ROBERT'S RULES? ONE SECOND. 
          I THINK IT'S UP. 
          SUBORDINATE MOTION. 
          I'M, I'M PROBABLY USING THE ABSOLUTELY WRONG TERM. 
          YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          VICE CHAIR RUBIN. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR IN ORDER TO CALL THE QUESTION. 
          SO THAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. 
          UM, GOING BACK TO THE, THE HEIGHT, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME TIME THERE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND I DID SEE QUITE A FEW NEW HOMES GOING IN. 
          UH, NOT ALL OF THEM. 
          ONE STORY. 
          UH, IN FACT, I SAW A COUPLE OF TWO STORY MORE THAN A COUPLE OF TWO STORIES. 
          UH, IN FACT, I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN TWO OR THREE ON THIS VERY STREET. 
          UH, DO YOU KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THOSE? AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASICALLY THAT THAT'S YOUR GUIDELINE. 
          THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE, THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT OUT THERE, YOU, THAT'S YOUR BASELINE, 
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RIGHT? WHAT I'VE SEEN IN, IN, ON THIS BLOCK, I BELIEVE THERE'S A ONE TWO STORY NEW CONTEMPORARY STYLE HOUSE. 
          UM, NEW, UH, CAMERON'S, UH, HOUSE. 
          I CAN'T, IT'S TALLER ROOF PITCH. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ONE STORY OR TWO. 
          FRANKLY, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD A COUPLE BLOCKS BACK, THERE'S TONS OF, OF NEW TWO STORY HOMES OF THAT SAME STYLE. 
          UM, MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT TO MAKE A DECISION THAT MAKES DESIGNING SOMETHING GOOD INFEASIBLE BEFORE IT'S POSSIBLE, SO TWO 10 FOOT FLOOR PLATE LEVELS WITH A ROOF, THAT, THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF GETTING AHEAD OF THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ROOF PITCH WOULD HAVE TO BE. 
          SO I'M DEFINITELY, PROBABLY WILL BE THE, THE LOWEST HEIGHT I COULD BE WITH A 10 FOOT CEILING, WHICH IS A LITTLE EXTRA QUALITY. 
          SO, UH, I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THAT CONCESSION BEFORE I'VE SEEN ARCHITECTURAL PLAN QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK MY CONCERN IS, IS, IS THIS, I UNDERSTAND, UM, AND I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION. 
          I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT YOU WANNA BUILD. 
          UM, BUT ARE, HAVE YOU TOOK IT, HAVE YOU HAD MEETINGS WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE BUILT SOMETHING IN A COMMUNITY, EVERY ONE OF THESE COMMUNITIES IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR IS HAVING THE SAME ISSUE. 
          UM, DESIGN STANDARD. 
          AND HAVE YOU MET WITH THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE CAME FORWARD? AND, UH, UH, ALSO THAT LOT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN VACANT. 
          UM, MY SISTER GREW UP, UH, IN TWO HOUSES FROM THAT. 
          UM, SO WHAT HAVE YOU MET WITH THEM TO EVEN DISCUSS DESIGN STANDARDS? BECAUSE  TODAY DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT. 
          I HAVE MET WITH THEM. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT OR TODAY. 
          UM, I, I GUESS THE ONES HERE DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M PROPOSING, BUT TO DISCUSS DESIGN OF A BUILDING THAT'S ILLEGAL TO BUILD IS GETTING AHEAD OF THINGS. 
          THIS IS JUST A LAND USE QUESTION. 
          UM, AND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR A TRANSITIONAL LAND USE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO A COMMERCIAL STREET, WHICH THIS BLOCK HAPPENS TO BE THAT BLOCK. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, I HAVE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM HIM, BUT, UH, SO ARE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU AWARE THAT EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU MIGHT BE PROPOSING THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS THESE, THAT DESIGN STANDARDS HAVE BECOME AN ISSUE AND BEING BUILDING DUPLEXES AND SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS BECOMING AN ISSUE AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY'RE HERE. 
          AND ARE YOU WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM? UM, TO POSSIBLY TO, TO, AGAIN, HAVING SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE STREET, I CAN'T SEE ANY WAY THAT BUILDING A NEW NICE TWO HOMES WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THAT COULD BE A POINT OF DISAGREEMENT, BUT OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S, I I DON'T SEE HOW THIS COULD DETRACT FROM THE COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY. 
          IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD INCREASE THE VALUE, UH, AND AESTHETIC QUALITY OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS TO THE RESIDENTS? NOW WE CAN, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO THE FOLKS IN OPPOSITION, WILL THE RESIDENTS, UH, COME BACK UP HERE PLEASE? SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, HOW LONG AGO WAS IT WHEN YOUR HOUSE WAS BUILT? UH, 20, 20 22, 2 YEAR. 
          UH, ABOUT LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO. 
          TWO YEARS. 
          YOU GONNA TURN ON THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? OH, TURN ON THE MICROPHONE. 
          SO YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS BUILT TWO YEARS AGO? YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S ONE STORE. 
          IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S TWO, UH, HOW MANY, UH, HOMES ON THAT STREET? JUST TO CONFIRM. 
          I I KNOW, UH, JACK SAID IT. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE, TWO STORY. 
          ONE, ONE. 
          ONLY ONE, TWO STORY. 
          ARE THERE ANY HOMES THAT ARE DUPLEX HOMES ON THAT STREET? NO. 
          NO. 
          NOW THERE IS A HOUSE THAT'S OWNED ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME THAT IS, UH, ALL OWNED BY LLC AND IT HOSTS A HOUSE. 
          UH, IT HOSTS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, WHICH BRINGS FOUR ADDITIONAL TRUCKS. 
          AND I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, EVEN THOUGH I PAY THIS MUCH MONEY AS WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT BUILDING GENERATIONAL WEALTH. 
          AND I BELIEVE BY ME INVESTING IN MY COMMUNITY, I'M TRYING TO DO THAT. 
          BUT IF WE KEEP NOT HEARING FROM THE CITIZENS, I JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, JIM CROW 
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WAS LEGAL, BUT THAT IT WASN'T RIGHT. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES YOU CAN GO WITH THE LAW, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEANS THAT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          AND IF THE COMMUNITY DON'T, DOES NOT WANT IT. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE STILL HAVING ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, CAMERON, HOW MANY VACANT LOTS ARE ON THE STREET? IT IS ABOUT, UH, I WAS ESTIMATED BETWEEN FOUR TO FIVE VACANT LOTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, IS THERE A CONCERN ON YOUR PART THAT IF WE GRANT THE, THE ZONING REQUEST TO CHANGE THIS FROM R FIVE TO TH THREE AND, AND, AND WE ALLOW MR. ROW TO BUILD A, A, A DUPLEX, A TWO STORY UNIT, THAT THE, THEN IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THESE OTHER LOTS, UH, TO BE ALSO BECOME REZONED SO THAT NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR OR FIVE YES. 
          DUPLEX? THAT IS, THAT IS BY FEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLARIFIED FOR THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER FORESITE? YE YES. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, SHADI, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR WERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          MR. RUBEN? MS. MR. OH, SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND PLEASE? NO. 
          SORRY, I JUST, I HAD ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF. 
          I THINK WE HEARD THE APPLICANT MENTION THAT THE 30 FEET HEIGHT IS THE HEIGHT TODAY. 
          THAT'S THE HEIGHT FOR THE EXISTING R FIVE. 
          IS IT CORRECT THAT TH THREE WOULD BE 36 FEET IF ? PARDON? WHAT WAS THE LAST BIT OF THE QUESTION? WELL, TH THREE HEIGHT IS 36 FEET, I BELIEVE. 
          YES. 
          TH THREE OR ALL TH DISTRICTS, THEIR MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 36 FEET, AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN R FIVE IS 30. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS WERE, WERE SEEKING TO MAINTAIN THE R 75 HEIGHT, BUT IT'S, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR THAT THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, CORRECT? YES. 
          THE VOL, THE VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTION OF A MAX HEIGHT OF 30 FEET WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE R FIVE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. LEMAN. 
          MAY, DID YOU HAVE AN, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT? I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF ANYONE, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY, MA'AM. 
          WE'RE ALREADY PASSED THE COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, WELL THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP BECAUSE THE TOPIC OF OF PRECEDENT CAME UP. 
          IF WE APPROVE THE TH THREE ZONING WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THIS CASE, ARE WE OBLIGATED OR BOUND TO APPROVE ANY OTHER TH THREE ZONING REQUESTS IN THE AREA? UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER RUBIN. 
          THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          UM, AS WE HAVE REMINDED THE COMMISSION MANY TIMES, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRECEDENT IN ZONING. 
          EACH ZONING CASE STANDS ON ITS OWN MERIT AND MUST BE EVALUATED. 
          AS SUCH, UH, YOU GUYS COULD MAKE A MOTION, UH, HEADED IN ONE DIRECTION FOR AN ITEM LIKE THIS TODAY. 
          AND THEN ON OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, THAT DOES NOT OBLIGATE YOU AT ALL TO MAKE A SIMILAR MOTION ON A SIMILAR CASE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO, UH, WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THIS CASE, IT WILL NOT ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT FOR ANY CASES IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, ANY CASES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST OR DENIED IN THE PAST, THOSE CASES DO ALSO NOT ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT FOR ANY CASES CURRENTLY UNDER CONSIDERATION. 
          AGAIN, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRECEDENT IN ZONING. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE COMMISSIONER WHEELERS OFF A CAMERA. 
          OKAY. 
          SEE NON-COM COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YOU KNOW, LIKE COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I'M FACED WITH A, UH, CASE THAT IS NOT AN EASY ONE TO DECIDE, AND IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE TO DECIDE BECAUSE WE REALLY DO NEED TO RESPECT THE WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND, AND IN SOUTH DALLAS, WE WANT AFFORDABLE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AND WE NEED MORE OF THAT. 
          SO WITH, WITH, WITH A HEAVY HEART, UH, I, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR ME, BUT I I I, I HAVE TO RESPECT THE WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORS AND I, UH, MAKE A MOTION CHAIRMAN SHAIDE THAT IN THE CASE OF Z 2 23 DASH 300 THAT WE CLOSED A PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT WE DENIED THE STAFF'S REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE WITH PREJUDICE. 
          I'LL GET A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          I HAVE A SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE. 
          AS I INDICATED IN MAKING THE MOTION, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE FOR ME. 
          I I WISH THAT THIS COULD BE SIMPLER, BUT THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS HERE. 
          ONE, THIS HOUSE, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT ON THE CORNER LOT. 
          IT'S NOT RIGHT BY THE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE, UH, THE BLOCK WHERE THE EVERYTHING'S COMMERCIAL R IT'S NOT ON THE SIDE OF, OF A ROAD. 
          THAT'S A MAJOR 
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THOROUGHFARE. 
          IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK. 
          ALL THE HOMES ON THE BLOCK, ALL 24 HOMES ON THE BLOCK ARE ZONED FOR R FIVE. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE TWO STORY UNIT ON THE BLOCK. 
          THE LOT, THE, THE, THE, THE STREET, HENDRICKS AVENUE AND, AND NONE OF THEM ARE DUPLEXES. 
          THE LOT IS ONLY 50 FOOT WIDE, WHICH MAKES TO ME, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE OF, UH, DUPLEX TWO STORY UNIT EVEN MORE PROBLEMATIC. 
          AND YOU'VE HAD RECENT CONSTRUCTION IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WERE BUILT. 
          SO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CAN BE BUILT HERE AND SOLD HERE. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT HALF THE STREET THAT IS, IS ASKING YOU TO KEEP THE ZONING SINGLE FAMILY R FIVE. 
          AND I ASKED THIS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER IF THIS WERE A REQUEST WERE NORTH OF 30, HOW WOULD, AND YOU HAD THE NEIGHBORS COMING HERE SIGNING A PETITION LIKE THEY'RE DOING, HOW WOULD YOU VOTE IF THIS WERE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? AND WITH THAT, I REST MY CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO COMING HERE TODAY. 
          COMMISSIONER HEALTHRIGHT. 
          WELL, YEAH, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, I THINK THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO, UM, DENY THE APPLICANT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE STREET, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF CHILLING, THAT WE'RE NOT DENYING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT A, AN, AN APPLICANT HERE WHO IS AN OWNER OCCUPANT, UH, THAT WILL OCCUPY A LOT THAT, UM, BY THE EVIDENCE ON GOOGLE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR 25 YEARS, UM, AND IS WALKABLE TO, UM, COMMERCIAL AND, UH, TRANSIT, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE SAID WE HAVE WANTED HERE IN THE CITY. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M FRANKLY KIND OF CONFUSED AND, AND, AND, AND DEFINITELY EMBARRASSED AFTER FOUR HEARINGS TO DENY THIS APPLICANT WITH WHAT LITTLE REASONING THERE IS TO IT. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S TOO BAD. 
          ANY OTHER VICE CHAIR RUBEN? YEAH, I'M ALSO NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO, TO SPEAK TO THE QUESTION POSED BY MY COLLEAGUE. 
          IF THERE WERE AN APPLICATION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUT IN THE DUPLEX, MY ANSWER WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE YES. 
          PARTICULARLY WHEN THE APPLICANT IS THOUGHTFUL AND WOULD PROPOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS TO HELP ENSURE COMPATIBILITY AND YES, TO THE BROADER QUESTION OF THEIR APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS NORTH OF 30. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE WAY THAT WE ADDRESS OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS BY SAYING, YES, CITYWIDE, OF COURSE THERE ARE ISSUES OF, OF PAST INEQUITY IN THIS CITY, BUT THE ANSWER SHOULD NOT BE TO SAY NO NORTH OF 30 AND NO SOUTH OF 30. 
          IT'S STARTING TO SAY YES CITYWIDE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS CASE IS I, I HEAR A LOT OF CONCERN BEING SPOKEN ABOUT ADDING IN A SECOND DWELLING UNIT, BUT I AM JUST NOT HEARING A RATIONALE ABOUT WHY THAT WOULD BE SO DETRIMENTAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE A SECOND, UM, HOME ON THIS BLOCK. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S ALL THE MORE TRUE BASED ON WHERE THIS IS LOCATED WITH THE PROXIMITY TO COMMERCIAL AND THE PROXIMITY TO A DART RAIL STATION WHERE WE DO NEED TO BE FOCUSING, UM, A LOT OF OUR, UM, EFFORTS IN DEVELOPING MORE HOUSING SO MORE PEOPLE CAN LIVE BY TRANSIT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TRANSIT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL INVESTMENT THAT WE'VE MADE. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE IF WE, WE DON'T TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT PROPOSING A HIGH RISE. 
          THIS IS NOT PROPOSING APARTMENTS. 
          IT'S A DUPLEX. 
          IT'S PROBABLY THE, THE SMALLEST NEXT JUMP THAT WE CAN MAKE FROM A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          AND WE'VE SEEN MANY OTHER CASES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS SOUTH OF 30 WHERE WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY BRIDGED THE GAP ON LOTS, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ONE. 
          UM, SOME ON THE CORNER, A FEW MIDBLOCK WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          I THINK THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE COMPARABLE. 
          SO I WOULD BE PLEASED TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION. 
          UM, AND I WILL ACCORDINGLY, RESPECTFULLY BE VOTING. 
          NOW, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I WILL BE UNAPOLOGETICALLY SUPPORTING THIS MOTION AND FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. 
          UM, I, FOR ONE SOUTH OF 30, WE ALWAYS GET, WE GET, WE GET OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. 
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UM, THERE IS NO REASON THAT IT, THAT I, I NEVER HAVE TO GO ON GOOGLE TO FIND OUT ANYTHING ABOUT ANY COMMUNITY NORTH OF 30. 
          I KNOW I CAN. 
          I DRIVE IT. 
          I MOVE, I GO BOTH ONE SIDE OF 30 TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF 30. 
          THIS PARTICULAR LOT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN VACANT. 
          UM, IT'S HAD IT HAD, THE COMMUNITY THERE IS STRONG. 
          THEY'VE LIVED THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          I NOTICED FOR A FACT, UM, AS VISITING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS A KID, AT LEAST EVERY WEEKEND, UM, OR EVERY TWO WEEKENDS, UM, BUT A DUPLEX IN AN AREA IN THIS AREA, IT DOES NOT BRING, UH, QUALITY EQUITY TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THEIR LONG TERM, IT'S GOING TO MAKE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR TAXES SKY, RIGHT? THEIR, AND SO WE HAVE TO ALSO LISTEN TO DESIGN STANDARDS AND LOOK AT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. 
          YES, PEOPLE ARE BUILDING TWO STORY HOUSES IN THE, EVERYWHERE IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AND ARE NOT HAVING TO COME BEFORE A COMMISSION. 
          BUT WHEN THEY DO COME BEFORE A COMMISSION, THAT'S WHEN THE COMMUNITY GETS TO COME SAY EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT. 
          THEY GET TO COME SEE. 
          IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW, WE'RE FIGHTING THE SAME BATTLE AND WE'RE WORKING ON DESIGN STANDARDS WITH PUD SO THAT WE CAN STOP THE TWO STORY, THE D TOWN HOMES JUST BEING ABLE TO BE PUT UP ANYWHERE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          SO WHATEVER GOES ON ON OTHER SIDE OF 30, WE HAVE TO, AS THE COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE OPPOSITE THAT REPRESENT THE OTHER SIDE OF 30, HAVE TO START LISTENING TO US AND THE COMMUNITIES AROUND US WHO ARE SAYING THAT WE NEED, WE WANT DESIGN STANDARDS. 
          WE WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO US BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN OTHER AREAS ARE NOT ALWAYS GETTING TO THESE TYPE OF SITUATIONS. 
          AND I'M 100% STANDING BEHIND THEM BECAUSE IT'S, IT GIVES A DIRECTION TO LET ME KNOW THAT EVEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WE ARE BE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THE SAME TYPE OF REPRESENTATION. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SO I SUPPORTED THE MOTION. 
          THE QUESTION WAS POSED, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU CAN PUT A DUPLEX RIGHT SMACK NEXT TO MY HOUSE. 
          YOU CAN PUT A FOURPLEX NEXT TO MY HOUSE. 
          THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU COULD DO CITYWIDE. 
          THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. 
          THIS DISCUSSION IS, THIS IS SPOT ZONING AND WE SHOULDN'T BE SPOT ZONING A LOT OF THE TIME. 
          WE'RE WASTING A LOT OF TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGS TALKING ABOUT SPOT ZONING IS A LEGAL TERM OF ART THAT ONLY A COURT CAN DECIDE. 
          WE CAN'T SAY THAT THIS IS SPOT ZONING. 
          ALMOST GOT IT OUT BEFORE HE CAUGHT ME. 
          . 
          IT'S THAT THING WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THESE CASES WHERE WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT MORE GLOBAL THINGS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT MY COMMUNITY MIGHT SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY DOESN'T SUPPORT IT. 
          AND UNTIL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE GLOBAL PLANNING, I, I'M, I'M GONNA GO WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, REALLY QUICKLY, I, I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID ON BOTH SIDES. 
          UM, I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, AND THIS IS MY REASONING. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IN THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING WITH FAR DALLAS, I'VE LEARNED WHAT NATURAL, ACCORDING NATURAL OCCURRING AFFORDABILITY IS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THIS BLOCK OR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ABLE TO TAKE THAT ON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A DIVERSE SUPPLY. 
          THAT GIVES ME A FEAR THAT THE LAND USE WILL GENTRIFY NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, I DON'T, I THINK THE DUPLEX WILL BE BUILT AT THE SAME PRICE AS THE YOUNG MAN'S HOME, UM, WHICH IS A FEAR OF MINE THAT NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT IN FOR DALLAS AND NOT A DECISION HERE. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD, UM, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OPPOSITION THAT I'VE HEARD. 
          SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR? YES. 
          IS THIS, WAS THIS, UH, WITH PREJUDICE OR WITHOUT? IT WAS WITH PREJUDICE. 
          STRAIGHT STRAIGHTEN OUT. 
          UM, CAN I MAKE A, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? SURE. 
          JUST TO DO IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE? IT, I, YEAH, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE HERE ON THIS KIND OF CASE, BUT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU COULD, WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          IT DOESN'T GIVE THE APPLICANT OPTIONS AFTER. 
          SO THERE'S WITH PRE, UH, WITHOUT PREJUDICE MEANS THEY COME BACK IN IN TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S, YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS USUALLY THE TYPE OF CASE THAT YEAH, I, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL, THE BRANCH IS NOT GONNA WORK THIS TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          I WOULD'VE LIKED TO, TO USE IT, BUT NO, IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE TAKE A RECORD VOTE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, UH, I WON'T BE ABLE TOMO THE, UH, SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I, UH, ECHO COMMISSIONER 
          [05:40:01]
RUBIN AND HOUSE RIGHTS COMMENTS. 
          UM, UH, I WON'T, UH, ADD TO THEM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL SAY, SHOULD THIS NOT PASS, I THINK ONE OF THE JUST KIND OF DEVASTATING MISSED OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CLEARLY HAS EXPERTISE IN THE FIELD OF CONSTRUCTION, BECOME A PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          I KNOW FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR DISTRICTS, SOME OF THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE HAS, HAS COME FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A CARE AND CONCERN, UH, AND AN EXTRA EFFORT, UH, THAT GOES INTO YOUR PROJECTS WHEN YOU'RE GONNA LIVE IN THEM OR WHEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE 'EM, OR WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S TOO BAD FOR THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I HOPE THEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PASS ZONING AND WE FEEL LIKE EVEN IF THIS STAYS SINGLE FAMILY AND WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING, ONE, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM COULD LIST OFF 10 QUICK THINGS OF HOW A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COULD JUST LOOK HORRIFIC AND BE OUT OF SCALE, STILL MEET ALL OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OF R SEVEN FIVE, AND, AND YET, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE EITHER OCCUPANTS OR AN ACTUAL STRUCTURE THAT IS A DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT R SEVEN FIVE. 
          WHAT'S MAGICAL IS WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEBODY FROM YOUR COMMUNITY THAT BUILDS SOMETHING THERE THAT IS, GOES BEYOND ANYTHING THAT ZONING CAN DO. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S JUST A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? LET'S TAKE A RECORD VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DISTRICT ONE, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, JUST GOING, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER FORESITE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON TO DENY THE APPLICATION STRAIGHT DENIAL. 
          NOW WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DISTRICT ONE? DISTRICT TWO? YES. 
          DISTRICT THREE? YES. 
          DISTRICT FOUR? YES. 
          DISTRICT FIVE? NO. 
          DISTRICT SIX? YES. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN? YES. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT? YES. 
          DISTRICT NINE, DISTRICT 10? NO. 
          DISTRICT 11? NO. 
          DISTRICT 12? YES. 
          DISTRICT 13? NO. 
          DISTRICT 14? YES. 
          AND PLACE 15. 
          NO. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          LET'S, UH, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          4:09 PM Q UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE'RE GONNA MOVE SOME CASES AROUND. 
          UH, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS LEAVING AND WE HAVE SOME INTERPRETERS LEAVING. 
          UH, BUT LET'S 
          [24. 24-1454  An application for a Planned Development District for MF-2(A) Multifamily District uses on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the east line of North Walton Walker Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a development plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: LDG Development Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Giahanna Bridges Council District: 6 Z234-106(GB)]
GO AHEAD AND DISPOSE OF CASE NUMBER 24. 
          NEXT, THEN WE'LL GO TO, UH, 24 20. 
          THEN WE GO TO 26. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO, UH, UH, YES. 
          GOSH. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE'LL DO 24 THEN, UH, 26, AND THEN THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE HEARING, WHICH IS 44. 
          SO LET'S BEGIN WITH THE DISTRICT SIX CASE. 
          I SEE MR. BALDWIN IS HERE. 
          LET'S GET THAT READ INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE. 
          MR. MOORE, CAN YOU READ THAT IN PLEASE? NUMBER 24, CASE 26 IS Z 2 3 4 1 0 6. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S NUMBER 24. 
          24. 
          YES. 
          CASE 24. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IS THAT WHAT THE ONE YOU WERE READING? THAT IS THE ONE I WAS READING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY, SORRY. 
          Z 2 3 4 1 0 6 IS AN APPLICATION FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, DOOSAN PROPERTY ZONED R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF NORTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BRIEF THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOT BRIEFED THIS, CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BRIEF BRIEFING AND THEN WE'LL GET TO YOU, MR. BALL. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          [05:45:45]
THIS IS Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 6. 
          THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, FOR A MULTIFAMILY TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON USES ON PROPERTIES ON THE R SEVEN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PRIMARILY RELATED TO SETBACKS, DENSITY, LOT SIZE, HEIGHT, PARKING, DESIGN STANDARDS, AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO ALLOW MOSTLY FAMILY ON THE SITE. 
          LOCATION IS THE EAST LINE OF NORTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 16.42 ACRES. 
          AS YOU'LL SEE SURROUNDING THE SITE, YOU HAVE SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND, SOME SINGLE FAMILY, AND SOME COMMUNITY RETAIL. 
          THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R SEVEN FIVE A. 
          THE MOSTLY FAMILY LAND USE IS NOT ALLOWED IN R SEVEN FIVE A. 
          THE AREA IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. 
          THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY USES IN VERY FEW FAGAN LOTS. 
          THE APPLICANT PROPOSED TO BUILD TH 300 MIXED USE FAMILY UNITS. 
          THE APPLICANT POST TO HAVE PRIMARY ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY ON NORTH WALTER WALKER BOULEVARD WITH PEDESTRIAN AND MERCY ACCESS ONLY WILL BE PROVIDED ON NORTH TILLERY AVENUE. 
          THE NEXT FEW SIDES WILL BE OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING SITES. 
          THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITHOUT THE MARKUPS. 
          THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE MARKUPS. 
          THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          AGAIN, THE APPLICANT ARE PROPOSING DEVIATIONS FROM THE SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS, THE DENSITY, THE HEIGHT, AND THE STORIES. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          AGAIN, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES ZONE R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH THE BASE ZONE OF MF TWO EIGHTH WITH SOME DEVIATIONS, WHICH INCLUDES HOT LIGHT, SIZE, SIDE REAR, OR SETBACK DENSITY AND PARKING, WHICH IS A STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM FOR STAFF? OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START THE HEARING. 
          MR. BALDWIN, THANK YOU FOR SENDING THE PRESENTATION AND AHEAD OF TIME. 
          I'M LEARNING, UH, I THAT'S GONNA BE IN MY PRACTICE FROM FROM NOW ON, GETTING EVERYTHING TO STAFF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO, GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN, 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET SUITE. 
          BE, UH, MS. BRIDGETS DID A GREAT JOB OF DOING QUICK BRIEFING. 
          UH, THIS IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM AN R SEVEN FIVE TO AN MF TWO ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF WALTON WALKER, OR LOOP 12 BETWEEN DAVIS STREET AND LOOP, I MEAN HIGHWAY 30. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT, ALTHOUGH IT IS BEING USED, UM, AS SOME SORT OF TRUCK PARKING, WHICH WILL GO AWAY SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED. 
          UH, SITE IS SURROUNDED BY R 75 ON THE EAST, SOUTH, AND NORTH. 
          ACROSS THE STREET IS MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL AND, AND INDU A PD FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          THE PROPOSAL IS FOR 300 UNITS ON 16 AND A HALF ACRES, APPROXIMATELY, UH, THREE STORY GARDEN STYLE, LOTS OF OPEN SPACE DOG PARKS, UH, LEASING AND, UH, AMENITY CENTER. 
          UH, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT BEEN UPDATED, UH, TO ORIGINALLY WERE BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UH, WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE ANY ACCESS TO NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. 
          WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS THAT ESTABLISHED A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          BUT AFTER TALKING WITH STAFF AND THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF, WE AGREED THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS TO THE STREET, ONLY OPEN DURING EMERGENCIES WITH A KNOX BOX, BUT HAVE A, A VEHICULAR, I MEAN A PEDESTRIAN GATE THERE TO ALLOW THE CHILDREN FROM THIS PROJECT TO GET TO THE ARCADIA PARK, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          [05:50:01]
THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE A MIXTURES OF 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR BEDROOM UNITS IN IT. 
          SO IT'S, THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS OF FAMILIES IN HERE. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT IS OUR BUFFER NORTH OF THE CREEK. 
          UH, WE'RE ASKING TO ALLOW SMALL TREES INSTEAD OF LARGE TREES TO BE COUNTED, UH, FOR OUR LANDSCAPE BUFFER GIVEN BUILDING PROXIMITY AND PROXIMITY OF A SEWER LINE. 
          AND FINALLY, THIS IS GONNA COME NO SURPRISE TO ANYBODY BUT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, REVIEWED THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND COUNTED THE PARKING SPACES WHERE WE THOUGHT WE HAD 455 SPACES. 
          WE HAVE 443 SPACES. 
          SO, UM, OUR, OUR REQUEST NOW IS FOR PARKING AT 1.4 SPACES PER UNIT RATHER THAN 1.5 SPACES. 
          I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. 
          UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO, PLEASE ASK, ANSWER. 
          I MEAN, FEEL FREE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE THAT IMAGE NOW OF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER COUNTING THE ONE BY ONE . 
          UH, I WAS EMBARRASSED. 
          I'VE SEEN HER DO IT, BUT IT DIDN'T SURPRISE ME. 
          I'VE SEEN HER DO IT RIGHT THERE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BALDWIN. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, JAKE BROWN, UH, 31 0 2 COMMERCE STREET, HERE IN DALLAS, UH, LDG DEVELOPMENT APPLICANT. 
          I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONER'S, QUESTIONS FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS? I SEE NONE. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 1 0 6, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN SECTION 51 P DASH 1 0 9 OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING, SUBSECTION B IS CHANGED TO READ AS FOLLOWS, IF COMPLIANT WITH SECTION 51 P DASH ONE 12, A MINIMUM OF 1.4 SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT IS REQUIRED FOR MULTI-FAMILY USES AT LEAST 15% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING MUST BE AVAILABLE FOR GUEST PARKING IN SECTION 51 P DASH ONE 12 DESIGN STANDARD SUBSECTION G SIDEWALKS ADD THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE AT THE END OF SUBSECTION G ONE. 
          THE SIDEWALK MAY BE INCLUDED IN THE REQUIRED STREET BUFFER ZONE. 
          SUBSECTION G THREE IS TO READ AS FOLLOWS, A WALKING TRAIL IS REQUIRED IN THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          EXHIBIT A AND MUST BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET WIDE AND MAY BE INCLUDED IN REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER ZONES IN SECTION 51 P DASH ONE 12. 
          DESIGN. 
          STANDARD SUBSECTION H LANDSCAPING BUFFER IS TO READ AS FOLLOWS, AN ENHANCED LANDSCAPING BUFFER MUST BE PROVIDED ALONG NORTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD FOR THE STREET FRONTAGE ADJACENT TO NORTH WALTON WALKER BOULEVARD, NORTH OF THE AREA, SHOWN AS WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES. 
          ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN EXHIBIT A SMALL TREES ARE PERMISSIBLE TO MEETING THE STREET TREE REQUIREMENTS OF ARTICLE 10. 
          AND LASTLY, IN SECTION 51 P DASH 12, DESIGN STANDARDS AT A NEW SUBSECTION TO REQUIRE THAT FOR A LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENT, A MINIMUM OF 88% OF THE DWELLING UNITS CONTAIN TWO OR MORE BEDROOMS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          AYES HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, COMMISSION. 
          SO WE WILL NOW MOVE 
          [26. 24-1456 A City Plan Commission authorized hearing to determine the appropriate zoning for the area to include but not limited to uses, development standards, and other appropriate regulations, in an area generally bounded by River Oaks Road to the north, Union Pacific Railroad to the east, McCommas Bluff Road to the south, and Julius Schepps Freeway to the west, and containing approximately 522.18 acres. Staff Recommendation: Approval of an A(A) Agricultural District; a CR Community Retail District; an R-1/2 ac(A) Single Family District; an R-1 ac(A) Single Family District; a new Planned Development District; an amendment to Planned Development District No. 778; an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 773 for a metal processing facility to provide an expiration date that is ten years from the date of approval of this zoning change, with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional 10-year periods; and termination of deed restrictions (D.R. Z067-152). U/A From: March 7, 2024 and March 21, 2024. Council District: 8 Z189-341(OTH)]
TO OUR, UH, CASE NUMBER 26. 
          NO, HELLO COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA DO A QUICK BRIEF HERE ON THE FLORIDA FARMS AUTHORIZED HEARING UPDATE. 
          UM, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER, THE, THE PLAN COMMISSIONER FOR THE DISTRICT, AND SOME NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE PARTICIPATED AND SOME PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS. 
          ON MARCH 21ST AND 2024, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION ASKED STAFF TO DRAFT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN , THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT THAT WILL ADDRESS CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY COMMISSIONERS AND SPEAKERS AT THE PUBLIC. 
          HEARING 
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THE PLAN, UM, PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN CO COORDINATED, UM, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO ENSURE THAT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS AND TENANTS WITHIN THE PROPOSED PD WERE NOTIFIED IN ACCORDANCE TO THE SB 9 29 REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS THAT, UM, ESTABLISHING A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IN LIEU OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. 
          AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PD IS TO ELIMINATE ALL INTENSIVE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY AFFECT THE COMMUNITY, AIR QUALITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AREA. 
          WE ARE ALSO AMENDING PD NUMBER 7 78 TO PRIMARILY ALLOW FOR CROP CROP CROP PRODUCTION, TERMINATING EXISTING THE RESTRICTIONS IN THE RZ 0 6 7 DASH 1 52 ON PROPERTY AT THE MOST SOUTHERN SOUTHWESTERN POINT OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AREA, AMENDING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 7 7 3 7 7 3 TO CHANGE THE TIME LIMIT TO 10 YEARS WITHIN WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS. 
          CHANGE THE ZONING OF THE TWO PROPERTIES LOCATED AT THE OH, AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF, UM, THE AREA OF REQUEST FOR I AM INDUSTRIAL FROM. 
          I AM INDUSTRIAL TO CS COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE PROPOSED ZONING IN THE INITIAL PROPOSED ZONING THAT THE STAFF MADE. 
          UM, BACK IN MARCH, UH, THE INITIATION, WE HAD LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT COMMUNITY, RETAIL DISTRICT, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT FOR OUR FIVE UM, ACRES AND FOR OUR ONE ACRE. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE AGRICULTURAL, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND AMENDMENT OF PD 7 78 FOR TODAY'S, UM, UPDATE. 
          NOW WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT YOU SEE THE BLUE AREA ON THE NORTH PART OF THE, UM, AREA OF REQUEST AND THE EAST PART OF THE AREA OF REQUEST THAT IS NORTH OF, UM, SIMPSON STEWART AND EAST OF CENTRAL EXPRESS, SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE, UM, THE PROPERTIES AND THIS OTHER MOST, UH, PORTION OF THE AREA OF REQUEST THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND THE AMENDMENTS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS THAT CONCLUDE THE UPDATE? PERFECT. 
          COMMISSIONERS? YES, SIR. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE'LL BEGIN THE, THE HEARING NOW. 
          UH, SPEAKERS IN, IN SUPPORT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THE MIC MAY BE, IT MAY BE OFF. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS JENNIFER ANGEL. 
          ADDRESS IS 1441 WEST MOUNT AVENUE, NUMBER 2 2 4, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 1. 
          AND I SERVE AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF R PLANNING A NONPROFIT THAT WORKS WITH COMMUNITIES TO CREATE EQUITABLE PLACES BY FIGHTING FOR ENVIRONMENTAL HOUSING AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE. 
          AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR AMENDMENTS. 
          IN THE SHADOW OF SHINGLE MOUNTAIN, THE FLOOR FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE TOXIC PARTICLES IN, IN THE AIR. 
          THAT BECAME A THREAT TO THE RESIDENTS HEALTH AND ALSO A THREAT TO THE SUPPORTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES IE THE NURSERIES. 
          WHILE THEY WAITED FOR THIS PROCESS TO BEGIN, THEY STOOD UP AND THEY PLAYED WHACK-A-MOLE. 
          EVERY SINGLE TIME BATCH PLANTS WANTED TO COME IN AND ASKED FOR REZONINGS, BUT THEY WERE ALSO VERY PROACTIVE IN REIMAGINING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND COLLECTIVELY, THEY'VE OUTLINED A VISION, ONE, TO PRESERVE AGRICULTURAL SINGLE FAMILY LIFESTYLE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND TO ALSO PREVENT HAZARDOUS INDUSTRIAL ENCROACHMENT BY WHY ADDRESSING THE UNDERLYING ZONING ISSUES THAT THREATEN THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY. 
          THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN FRONT OF YOU NOT ONLY EMBODY THE COMMUNITY SPIRIT, BUT IT ALSO BEGINS TO UPLIFT THE PURPOSE THAT ZONING SHOULD HAVE, WHICH IS TO PROTECT, TO HELP SAFEGUARD THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          THEREFORE, WE PLEASE ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO REMOVE THE 
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LAND USE INDUSTRIAL ITEMS THAT ARE STILL IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I DO COMMEND STAFF'S THOUGHTFULNESS AND INTENTIONALITY THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS BECAUSE THIS GOES WAY BACK 2019 AND 2018 WHEN SHINGLE MOUNTAIN WAS INVADING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I ALSO COMMEND THE DISTRICT EIGHT CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER, THE ENTIRE CITY COMMISSION BODY, EVEN THOSE THAT WERE IN 2019 HERE IN FRONT OF US, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE SINCE 2019, THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VERY SPECIAL MOMENT, UM, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. 
          I URGE YOU ALL TO JOIN US IN SHIFTING THE NARRATIVE OF FLORAL FARMS FOR IT TO NO LONGER BE THE POSTER CHILD OF ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE. 
          THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO SEE AND POINT TO. 
          THIS IS WHAT CITIES AND COMMUNITIES CAN DO TOGETHER TO REPAIR THE HARM OF ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES. 
          SHINGLE MOUNTAIN IS GONE. 
          THE LAND IS REMEDIATED. 
          THE COMMUNITY ALREADY HAS OUTLINED AND REIMAGINED THAT SPACE TO BE A PARK AS WELL. 
          AND NOW THE BALL IS IN THE CITY'S COURT TO DO ITS JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS DR. 
          MARCIA JACKSON. 
          I LIVE AT 49 20 SHORT ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF FORT FLOOR FORUMS NEIGHBORHOOD COURT, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          I'M ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SOUTHERN SECTOR RISING. 
          I'M STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN THE FOURTH TIME, AND I'M, UM, HERE SUPPORTING THE, UM, CASE BECAUSE MY COMMUNITY HAS BEEN HARMED. 
          I, UH, OFTEN ASK, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? BECAUSE IT IS FOR OUR HEALTH. 
          UM, ALSO BUSINESS SAY THAT THEY'RE THERE JUST FOR FUNDING. 
          THEY WANNA MAKE MONEY. 
          WE WANNA CONTINUE LIVING WHEN YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN HERE CONSTANTLY FIGHTING BEFORE YOU GUYS, UH, AGAINST SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          AND WE WORKED SO HARD, THE COMMUNITY WORKED SO HARD, THE MEETINGS THAT THE STAFF HAD, THEY WORKED SO DILIGENTLY WITH US. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          LISTEN TO, I LISTEN TO OUR CONCERN, NOT ONE OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO COME THERE AND SAY THEY SUPPORT US, THEY UNDERSTAND US. 
          WE HAD TWO, I HAVE ONE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORT US AS A GREAT BUSINESS OWNER. 
          UH, NEXT TO ME HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN BUSINESS. 
          IT HAS BEEN RESIDENTS THERE. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 29 YEARS. 
          SOME OF MY OTHER, UM, ORGANIZATIONS, THE MEMBERS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS. 
          SO WE'RE HERE SPEAKING FOR OUR HEALTH, FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND WE WANNA CONTINUE LIVING HEALTHILY. 
          UH, WE ARE NOT AGAINST BUSINESS, LIKE I SAID, ALL, UH, PREVIOUSLY WHERE WE ARE AGAINST THE BUSINESSES NEXT TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO FOR THIS CASE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO YOU THAT WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU'LL SEE WHAT WE'RE SEEING, SUPPORTING US, SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY, SUPPORTING THE RESIDENTS. 
          WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. 
          WE CONTINUE, AS JENNIFER SAID, WE CONTINUE FIGHTING BATCH PLANTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE CONTINUE FIGHTING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, AND THEY ASK WHY WE LIVE THERE. 
          WE'LL LIVE THERE IN MY COMMUNITY WAS ZONING AS AGRICULTURE RIGHT NEXT TO THE RESIDENCE, SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS ZONE AGRICULTURAL. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT THE PD, WE WORKED AND WE DISCUSSED. 
          WE SPENT MANY TIMES, MANY HOURS DISCUSSING WHAT WE WANT IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHEREAS NO ONE ELSE WANTS THAT IN THAT COMMUNITY. 
          SO I'M STANDING BEFORE YOU ASKING YOU GUYS TO LISTEN TO US AND LOOK AT THE CASE AND ASKING YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, EVELYN MAYO, 2 8 3 3 PROVINCE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 8. 
          I'M CO-CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF DOWN WINDERS AT RISK, A CLEAN AIR IN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NONPROFIT BASED HERE IN DALLAS. 
          AND I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE YOU ALL SEVERAL TIMES ON THIS ITEM. 
          AND REGARDING THE FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY, I WAS PART OF THE SAME TEAM THAT SUPPORTED THE INITIATION OF THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING BACK IN 2019, AND HAVE CONTINUED TO ENGAGE WITH THE RESIDENTS OF FLORAL FARMS TO ENSURE THE ZONING PROPOSAL WOULD ALIGN WITH THEIR GOALS OF ADDRESSING PUBLIC HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. 
          I SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH SOME MINOR EDITS. 
          THE PROPOSED PD OVER THE FORMER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STILL INCLUDES INDUSTRIAL INSIDE INDUS, INSIDE INDUSTRIAL FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND MINI WAREHOUSE. 
          ONE OF THE STATUS STATED PURPOSES OF THIS PD IS TO LESSEN THE NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS IN THE AREA AND PROTECT THE HEALTH OF RESIDENTS FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES TO REALIZE THIS GOAL, PLEASE REMOVE THESE LAST OUTSTANDING INDUSTRIAL LAND USES FROM THE PD PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN STAFF HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY RECEPTIVE AND COLLABORATIVE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DISTRICT EIGHT CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER IN INTEGRATING THE FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS. 
          HOWEVER, IT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS TO LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN TO INDUSTRIAL 
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DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING AND ITS CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          MARSHA WILL NEVER GET BACK THE HOURS OF DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS CAUSED BY THE PERMANENT DAMAGE TO HER VOCAL CORDS BECAUSE OF SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          HER LIFE HAS LIKELY BEEN SHORTENED BECAUSE OF HER EXPOSURE TO AIRBORNE FIBERGLASS, PARTICULATE MATTER, ASBESTOS, AND ALL FOUND ALL THE OTHER THINGS FOUND UP IN GROUND UP ROOFING SHINGLES. 
          THE CHILDREN ON BERMUDA ROAD THAT WERE HOSPITALIZED BECAUSE OF SIMILAR FINDINGS IN THEIR LUNGS MAY ALSO HAVE LIFELONG RESPIRATORY ISSUES. 
          THE DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THE HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS OF FLORAL FARMS AND THE EROSION OF TRUST IN A CITY THAT WAS MEANT TO PROTECT THEM IS INCALCULABLE ZONING IS MEANT TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC. 
          THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN FAILED BY THE CITY FOR DECADES, BUT YOU ALL HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO START TO MEND THE HARM DONE AND SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT THE CITY IS WILLING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NEVER ANOTHER SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          PLEASE SUPPORT THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THESE RESIDENTS BY SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THEIR FUTURE ZONING WITH THE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M JERRY SUKUP, UH, AT 92 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          I'M THE OWNER, FAMILY OWNER OF SOUTHWEST PERENNIALS. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN OPERATION THERE FOR 10 YEARS. 
          THE OPERATION ITSELF STARTED BACK IN 1928 BEFORE IT WAS EVEN A CITY, AS A CITY TOOK IT INTO CITY LIMITS. 
          UH, I'VE, FOR 51 YEARS, I HAVE SEEN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT SAY, WELL, I WAS THERE FIRST. 
          NO, THERE WAS FAMILIES THERE AND WE DON'T, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT WAS A FAMILY ORIENTED AREA AND WE WANNA RETURN IT BACK TO THAT, BUT WE'RE BEING HINDERED BY EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING GONE, UH, GOING ON. 
          UM, I WAS THERE BEFORE THE LANDFILL. 
          I SEEN THE LANDFILL. 
          THE CITY PUT THE LANDFILL IN, SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO FLOOD. 
          YOU. 
          GUESS WHAT? WE GET FLOODED. 
          IT CONTINUES TO FLOOD THE AREA THAT USED TO BE, UH, UH, RESIDENTIAL RIGHT BY THE PLANT, UH, LANDFILL. 
          THEY, Y'ALL HAVE TO BUY 'EM OUT BECAUSE THEY GOT FLOODED. 
          SO IT CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A PROBLEM BY MORE AND MORE FIELD. 
          EVERYBODY WANTS TO DUMP IN OUR AREA. 
          WE DON'T WANT THAT. 
          WE'RE AGRICULTURAL OPERATION. 
          I CANNOT PICK UP MY AGRICULTURAL OPERATION. 
          IT'S SEVEN ACRES. 
          I CAN'T MOVE IT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY MY PROPERTY, IT'S FOR SALE. 
          THEY AIN'T GONNA BE CHEAP. 
          YOU CAN BUILD ME SOME MORE GREENHOUSES, BUT WE'RE GETTING DUMPED ON BY EVERYBODY ALL AROUND US. 
          AND WE SAY EVERYTHING IS CLEAN. 
          WHAT DO YOU CALL CLEAN? YOU CALL DUST, UH, PARTICULATE MATTER. 
          UH, YOU PICK IT UP FROM YOUR AREA AND THE NORTH PART OF TOWN, BUSINESS AREAS, WHATEVER. 
          AND EVERYBODY SAYS IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. 
          WHAT DO YOU CLASSIFY AS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY? THERE'S A BIG POND OR BIG LAKE THAT'S JUST, UH, OFF TO OUR BACK. 
          THAT'S SPRING FED A HUGE POND. 
          I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEYS TALKING ABOUT LARGE AMOUNTS OF TRUCKS, WE'D HAVE TO SPEND LIKE THREE YEARS TO TRY TO FILL IT UP. 
          BUT THE, BUT THEY WANT TO FILL IT. 
          AND THEY SAID THE PRODUCT IS CLEAN, THE MATERIAL, THEY'RE GONNA FILL IT WITH HOW CLEAN IS CLEAN. 
          YOU SEE, YOU CAN GO INTO A HOSPITAL FOR, FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT AND THEN YOU COME OUT WITH SOME OTHER DISEASE OR SOME OTHER ILLNESS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. 
          I'M BEING A DUMPING GROUND. 
          EVERYBODY AROUND MY SEVEN ACRES FUNNEL FUNNELS WATER INTO ME. 
          THERE IS NO EXIT OF WATER ANYWHERE AROUND THERE, BUT YET WE WANT MORE MATERIAL. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          DOWN TO OUR AREA. 
          SIR, YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AFTER GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JONATHAN SOUKUP. 
          I'M AT 92 25 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          I'M THE MANAGER AT SOUTHWEST PERENNIALS. 
          UH, YOU JUST HEARD FROM MY FATHER. 
          UH, BUT, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT HE DIDN'T. 
          UH, LAST MEETING, WE DISCUSSED 
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ONE OF THE PROPERTIES NEXT TO MRS. JACKSON'S HOUSE. 
          THERE WAS A CLAIM THAT THAT WAS ALWAYS INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. 
          UM, AGAIN, BEING GROWN UP IN THE AREA, UH, THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO BECAME MY COWORKERS LATER IN LIFE WHO LIVED IN THAT HOUSE. 
          AND, UM, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID THAT I, THAT I DIDN'T AGREE WITH, AND I WANTED TO MAKE THAT KNOWN THAT THAT WAS A RESIDENCE DURING THE 1980S. 
          UM, ALSO LAST TIME WE SPOKE, AND AGAIN, I DID THIS VIRTUALLY. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THE MEETING, SAID, OH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD OF THIS. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          GIVE US SOME TIME TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS BACK IN 20 20, 20 19, UH, BUT WE ALLOWED SEVERAL WEEKS TO PASS. 
          UH, MARSHA AND I, YOU KNOW, WERE CONTACTED BY ONE PERSON, UH, MR. GOLDBERG, TO TRY AND WORK OUT SOME OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING FORWARD. 
          UH, NO ONE ELSE HAS CONTACTED US. 
          NO ONE ELSE CAME FORWARD TO WORK WITH ANYTHING. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING CLEANED UP. 
          WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, YOU KNOW, MASSIVE CHANGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GIVEN EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS THIS. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT'S FOUR YEARS NOW. 
          IT'S TIME TO APPROVE THESE PENDING CHANGES AND MOVE ON. 
          UH, ONE OTHER THING WE WERE TOLD IS THAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK PAST WHO WAS HERE FIRST. 
          AND AS MY FATHER SAID, OUR FIRST GREENHOUSES WERE BUILT IN THE 1920S. 
          BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS AND TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER, I, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT, BUT, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT HAVING GOOD NEIGHBORS? I HAVE A FEW GOOD NEIGHBORS SCATTERED ACROSS THE FLORAL FARMS AREA. 
          UH, GREAT PEOPLE LIKE MARSHA, BUT ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS WITH PROPERTY CONTIGUOUS TO MINE. 
          MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE ALL BAD TRASH DRUGS, GAMBLING, THEY GO IN CHANGE THE FLOOD PLAINS, FILL IN THE DRAINAGE, UH, ALL TO THE DETRIMENT OF MY PROPERTY. 
          UH, WE LIVE WITHIN THE SOUNDS OF ROLL OFF DUMPSTERS AND CON AND CARGO CONTAINERS HITTING THE GROUND ALMOST HOURLY. 
          MY BEST NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS THE WEEKLY MOTEL RESIDENTS THERE HAVE STOPPED BY MY BUSINESS SAYING, WHY DOES EVERYONE HERE SELL DRUGS? AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO VERIFY THAT OTHER THAN THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS SEEM TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T LEAVE TRASH EVERYWHERE. 
          THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING TO TRY AND FLOOD ME OUT. 
          THEY DON'T STIR UP DUST. 
          THEY DON'T LEAVE MUD ON THE ROAD. 
          THEY REALLY DON'T CAUSE TOO MUCH COMMOTION BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT ATTENTION. 
          BUT THAT IS MY BEST NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. 
          THAT IS WHERE THE BAR IS SET, I'M SAD TO SAY. 
          AND IT JUST GETS WORSE FROM THERE. 
          SO I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, THE PEOPLE WITH SMALL BUSINESSES HERE, THEY WANT BETTER NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          AND THEY DESERVE BETTER ZONING. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS RENEE ROBERSON. 
          I'M THE, UH, UH, ENVIRON. 
          I'M A, THE DISTRICT EIGHT ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIONER, AND, AND I'M ALSO THE CHAIR FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSIONER, WHICH IS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THAT. 
          AND YOU'VE HEARD THE EQUITY. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT WE COULD DO FOR EQUITY, AND WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON THAT. 
          THE CCA PUT US ON THE MAP, AND I THINK DEALING WITH ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES TO WORK ON THAT. 
          UH, BUT MY TAKE IS THE HEALTH. 
          WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERN IN THAT, IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS SOUTH OF 30, WE HAVE PEDIATRIC VULNERABILITY, FREQUENT ER VISITS, UH, ASTHMA AND, UH, CANCER CLUSTERS IN SOME AREAS. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC HEALTH PART OF THAT. 
          AND WHAT MY CHALLENGE TO YOU IS TO PLEASE LOOK, TRY LOOKING AT, SINCE WE'RE DIVERSIFYING HERE IN DALLAS, TRY LOOKING AT THE OTHER SIDE OF 30 WITH DIFFERENT EYES. 
          TRY LOOKING AT IT WITH SOME CULTURAL, UH, EYES. 
          SOME OF THE COMPANIES I COLLABORATE WITH FROM OUR RESEARCH, THEY CAN PROVE, UH, THEY CAN ESTIMATE ABOUT HOW LONG A PERSON WILL LIVE BY THEIR ZIP CODE. 
          THAT SHOULDN'T BE ALL ZIP CODES SHOULD HAVE EQUAL AIR, EQUAL, EQUAL WATER EQUAL EVERYTHING. 
          SO I'M ASKING THAT WE, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE YOU CAN CONTROL WHAT I JUST SAID BY THE ZONING. 
          IF ALL IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE THINGS THAT ARE NEGATIVE THAT IMPACT YOUR HEALTH, THEN THAT CONTINUES. 
          AND THE OTHER REFERENCE WAS WHACK-A-MOLE. 
          AND THAT'S JUST WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR EVERY THING WE PAT DOWN, ANOTHER ONE POPS UP. 
          SO WE NEED YOUR, WITH THE LEADERSHIP THAT WE HAVE HERE, THE STAR POWER LEADERSHIP WE HAVE HERE, I KNOW WE CAN DO THAT. 
          SO I'M ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE LOOK AT THESE PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED, AND WE TRY TO START TURNING THAT AROUND SO THESE PEOPLE CAN HAVE A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT 
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THEY DESERVE. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          COMMISSIONER LEWIS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          HI, WELCOME BACK. 
          I'M SURE YOU'RE GETTING SOME FLASHBACKS HERE. 
          HOW YOU GUYS DOING? UH, MY NAME IS TRIPS LEWIS. 
          I LIVE AT 4 2 7 BROOK VALLEY CIRCLE. 
          I HAD TO PLEASURE OF SERVING ON CPC. 
          I ACTUALLY, I WAS THE ONE THAT INITIATED THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING. 
          SO, UM, I CAME, I SEE IT WAS BEEN UNDER, UH, HELD FOR ADVISEMENT FOR TWO TIMES. 
          SO I FIGURED, HEY, I NEED TO COME OUT MY CIVIL SERVICE CAVE AND, UH, GIVE SOME PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT FORD DALLAS, UM, BEFORE FORD DALLAS. 
          ALL IS GOING ON, OBVIOUSLY. 
          UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS THESE GREAT TOOLS. 
          A GREAT TOOL THAT WE HAVE IS A AUTHORIZED HEARING. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, WHEN I WAS SERVING IN DISTRICT EIGHT, UM, I HAD THE BENEFIT OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND NOW COUNCILWOMAN JENNY SCHULTZ ACTUALLY SIGN A SUPPORT BECAUSE, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO AN AUTHORIZED HEARING, EITHER THE CURRENCY COUNCIL PERSON CAN INITIATE IT OR THE COMMUNITY, OR AS A COMMISSION, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, THE REASON WHY THIS WAS AUTHORIZED MANY MOONS AGO, BECAUSE SHINGLE MOUNTAIN LEDGE MILERS, UM, A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING USES AS FAR AS BUSINESSES DON'T HAVE COS OR PROP PROPER PERMITS. 
          UM, T-E-C-E-Q WAS COMING OUT HEAVILY. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE DATA, HOW IT WAS AFFECTING NOT ONLY, UH, MS. JACKSON'S NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WAS FACING TO SINGLE MOUNTAIN, BUT ALSO ALL THE WAY TO PY. 
          UM, SO I HAD TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT IN COMMUNITY TO, TO PY BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON IN THIS LITTLE 600 MILE RADIUS WAS AFFECTING SO MANY PEOPLE, NOT ONLY JUST IN THAT LITTLE SMALL AREA. 
          UM, SO I, I CAME FORTH HERE TO ASK YOU TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THIS. 
          AND, UM, SO MS. JACKSON CAN KIND OF NAIL THIS, UH, IN, IN THE COFFIN IN THE HEAD AND MOVE ON TO A NEXT ENDEAVOR. 
          'CAUSE, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, HAS A LOT OF MORE ISSUES THAT SHE NEEDS TO TACKLE AND FIGHT. 
          UM, THIS IS ONE OF MANY, I I THINK THE CITY STAFF, ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER BLAIR, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB FOR, ITS ORGANIZING THE THINGS TO PROTECT, TO CREATE, UH, HEALTHY BOUNDARIES THAT CAN BE IN PLACE BECAUSE, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT IS THE LARGEST DISTRICT IN THE CITY, BUT IT ALSO HAS MANY DIFFERENT USES AND CAPABILITIES, BUT ALSO PEOPLE LIVE IN DIFFERENT UNIQUE SITUATIONS THAT ARE NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL AND THE, AND THE, AND THE POSITION. 
          THIS IS AGRICULTURAL. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, MS. JACKSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A BIG AGRICULTURAL, YOU KNOW, COMPATIBLE AREA, BUT BE PROTECTED AGAINST SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, UNWARRANTED, UH, USES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY. 
          SO I HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEING SO TODAY. 
          I THINK IT'S, UH, A GREAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, I THINK FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR THE THINGS YOU DO BECAUSE, UH, I KNOW I USED TO JUST GET A, A DELI SANDWICH FROM J JASON, SO, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          JIM BECK, DOWN WINDOWS AT RISK 1808 SOUTH GOOD LATIMER 7 5 2 2 6. 
          IF JUSTICE CAN'T BE FOUND FOR SHINGLE MOUNTAIN, WHERE CAN JUSTICE BE FOUND IN DALLAS? IF JUSTICE CAN'T BE FOUND FOR SHINGLE MOUNTAIN, WHAT HOPE DO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS SUFFERING? SIMILAR AFFLICTIONS IN DALLAS HAVE MARCIA JACKSON AND HER NEIGHBORS BECAME NATIONAL SYMBOLS OF ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. 
          JOHN OLIVER, BILL MARS, ORAD O'BRIEN, THEY ALL VISITED, THEY ALL HAD FEATURES. 
          THE WASHINGTON POST, THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRY, THE LOS ANGELES TIMES. 
          THIS SHOULD CITY SHOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING IT POSSIBLY CAN TO MAKE THIS RIGHT FOR THESE RESIDENTS, INCLUDING BUILDING THE PARK THAT THEY'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          NOW, IT SHOULD BE A MODEL FOR WHAT A CITY CAN DO WHEN IT REALIZES HAS MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, A MISTAKE THAT WAS COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE. 
          THEY HAD NO PAPERWORK FOR WHAT THEY WERE DOING, AND IT TOOK HER OVER A YEAR TO GET THE CITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PLAN DISTRICT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 
          IRONICALLY, IT COMES CLOSE TO BEING THE VERY IDEA THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS PROPOSED AT THE BEGINNING OF FORWARD DALLAS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AN OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DESERVE EXTRA PROTECTION. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THIS PLAN DISTRICT, IT COMES VERY CLOSE TO THAT WITH JUST SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY EVELYN AND SOME OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND SO ON. 
          THIS COULD BE A MODEL FOR SUCH AN OVERLAID DISTRICT, JUST LIKE A FLOODPLAIN, JUST LIKE A DELICATE ECOSYSTEM, THESE PEOPLE NEED EXTRA PROTECTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SHA ON FOR SO LONG, FOR SO LONG. 
          THEY DESERVE A BREAK. 
          THEY DESERVE A PEACE OF MIND THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE IN CURRENT ZONING PROCEDURES OR OVERLAYS. 
          THEY DESERVE SPECIAL PROTECTION. 
          I ASK YOU, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA PROPOSE A NEW PLACE TYPE FOR FORWARD DALLAS AT THIS LATE DATE, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU IN THE YEARS TO COME HERE, AS YOU LOOK AT 
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ZONING AS YOU LOOK TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN, PLEASE REVISIT THIS IDEA OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL OVERLAY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE COME TO NOW ON YOUR OWN ACCORD. 
          YOU HAVE COME HERE ON YOUR OWN POWER AT THE SAME PLACE WE BEGAN TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, AND I THINK IT SHOWS THE WISDOM OF SUCH AN IDEA. 
          THESE PLACES DESERVE A STATUS THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE IN CURRENT LAW. 
          I RECOMMEND, AND MY GROUP RECOMMENDS YOU ADOPT THIS PLANNED DISTRICT DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT'S A PLANNED DISTRICT. 
          AND I'M SURE STAFF IS THRILLED ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT IT COMES AS CLOSE TO WHAT WE STARTED WITH TWO YEARS AGO AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I JUST WOULD URGE YOU, URGE YOU TO SPEND THE NEXT TWO YEARS AS YOU REVISIT THE ZONING CODE TO FIND A PLACE FOR THESE KINDS OF SPECIAL PROTECTIONS FOR THESE KINDS OF NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THEY HAVE EARNED IT. 
          THEY HAVE EARNED THEIR PEACE OF MIND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, LET'S GO TO OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT ONLINE. 
          WE DO HAVE A BUNCH OF THEM. 
          UM, MR. MCGILL? YES, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ALAN MCGILL. 
          I LIVE AT 1445 BURG DRIVE. 
          I AM AM I AM THE CHAIR OF SOUTHERN SECTOR RISING. 
          THE RESIDENTS IN FLORAL FARMS ARE MEMBERS OF SOUTHERN SECTOR RISING, AND WE HAVE, UM, TOTALLY AND WHOLLY ENDORSED, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE, UH, PLANNING STAFF. 
          UH, WE THINK THAT THE PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS COULD HAVE GONE A A LITTLE BIT FARTHER AND COMPLETELY, UH, DENYING ANY ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL USES TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT, UH, YOU CONSIDER, UM, REMEDYING THAT SHORTCOMING. 
          UM, WE WANT TO COMMEND THE RESIDENTS IN FLORAL FARMS FOR THEIR, UH, RESILIENCE AND STAMINA FOR BEING ABLE TO, UH, PURSUE THIS UNHEALTHY ENDEAVOR FOR SO LONG. 
          AND THEY ARE RIGHT NOW ON THE CUSP OF A VICTORY THAT YOU CAN DELIVER, AND IT'S NOT A VICTORY THAT THEY HAVE NOT EARNED. 
          UM, THESE ARE RESIDENTS AS HAS BEEN, UH, TESTIFIED PREVIOUSLY, THEIR HEALTH HAS BEEN HARMED. 
          UM, UH, WE DON'T KNOW PRECISELY WHAT THE HEALTH OR HARMFUL HEALTH EFFECTS HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THERE, THERE HASN'T BEEN A STUDY SPECIFICALLY OF THE HEALTH IMPACTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS DESPERATELY NEEDED. 
          SO I ASK YOU ON BEHALF OF OUR ORGANIZATION, SOUTHERN SECTOR RISING, TO PLEASE SUPPORT, UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF AND, UH, IF YOU WILL CONSIDER, UH, DENYING, UH, INDUSTRIAL USES ADJACENT TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES IN FLORAL HOMES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MS. MATHIA, ARE YOU LINE AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          MORNING MATHIAS 9 0 4 LUFKIN STREET, DALLAS, 7 5 2 1 7. 
          I SERVE AS THE SECRETARY ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR SOUTHERN SECTOR RISING. 
          I AM A FRIEND OF MARSHA'S. 
          I'VE SEEN HER SUFFER GREATLY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS WITH THE EFFECTS OF SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          I HAVE ALSO SEEN HER AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FIGHT WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          I TRULY HOPE THAT AFTER SO MANY MEETINGS, UH, SEVERAL, I THINK THIS IS OUR SECOND OR THIRD AUTHORIZED HEARING, I HOPE THAT THERE WILL BE A VOTE TODAY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE ASKING. 
          THERE IS NO PLACE 
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IN THE CITY FOR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL THAT MARSHA HAS TO LIVE WITH THE, JUST SIT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THREE 10 AND WAIT AND SEE HOW QUICKLY YOUR VEHICLE IS COVERED WITH THE DIRT AND THE GRIME COMING OFF OF THREE 10, MARSHA HAS TO LIVE WITH THAT EVERY DAY. 
          IF WE CAN MAKE THIS CHANGE AND GET OUR PARK STARTED, LIKE WE HAVE ASKED FOR, FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, I BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I KNOW THAT WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS CITY. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. 
          I LIVE IN PLEASANT GROVE. 
          I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          AND I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF FLORAL FARMS ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND THEY GET WHAT THEY NEED BY CLOSING THOSE LOOPHOLES AND GETTING RID OF ALL THAT INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS, UH, AND MAKE THIS A NICE PLACE TO LIVE. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          UM, MR. CISNEROS. 
          SORRY. 
          HI, MY NAME IS JAMES ROS. 
          I LIVE AT 28  SYSTEM 5 2 1 2. 
          AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SINGLETON UNITED UNIDOS IN WEST DALLAS. 
          WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF MARSHA AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NEEDED IN FLORAL FARMS. WE SUPPORT THE REVISED ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, BUT ECHO, CONTINUE TO ECHO THAT ALL INDUSTRIAL USES BE REMOVED FROM FLORAL FARMS. NOT ALLOWING ANY INDUSTRIAL USES WILL OFFER OFFER FLORAL FARMS THE BEST PROTECTION FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY, VERSUS JUST LESSENING THE NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WITH THE HOPES THAT IT DOESN'T COMPROMISE RESIDENTS HEALTH. 
          WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THIS  WILL TRANSFORM MANY LIVES, INCLUDING FUTURE GENERATIONS OF FLORAL FARMS. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME DREAM WE HAVE IN THE SINGLETON CORRIDOR IN WEST DALLAS. 
          WE ARE WATCHING THE CITY OF DALLAS USE A POWERFUL TOOL THAT CAN PROTECT ITS PEOPLE AND PROVIDE RELIEF FROM SERIOUS HARM. 
          DALLAS'S HISTORY HAS NOT BEEN KIND TO VULNERABLE POPULATIONS OF COLOR. 
          WITH TODAY'S ACTIONS, THE CITY CAN SHOW A COMMITMENT TO A FUTURE WHERE ITS MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS CAN BREATHE EASIER. 
          MARSHA HAS WAITED FIVE YEARS TO SEE THIS DATE WITH FLORAL FARMS. I PRAY THE RESIDENTS IN THE SAINT CORRIDOR DON'T HAVE TO WAIT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME FOR OUR AUTHORIZED HEARING. 
          WE TOO NEED THIS TO INCREASE OUR CHANCES OF LIVING, AVOID DISPLACEMENT WHEN OUR HOMES FALL DOWN, AND TO CORRECT THE 1987 ZONING HAPHAZARDLY PLACED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ALSO PLACED ON THE EPAS NATIONAL PRIORITIES LIST. 
          IN 1995, FLO FARMS HAS PAVED THE WAY AND SHOWN LEADERSHIP. 
          THE COMMISSION HAS A CHANCE TO MATCH THAT WITH ACTION THAT SUPPORTS A BETTER DALLAS. 
          FOR EVERYONE, PLEASE AMEND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO REMOVE ALL INDUSTRIAL USES IN FLORAL FARMS FOR HEALTHIER, SAFER FLORAL FARMS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. UH, KENDRICK, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN. 
          YES, WE CAN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HI. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS ALICIA KENDRICK. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 47 41 JOPPA CIRCLE, 7 5 2 1 6. 
          AND I'M ONLINE TODAY TO SUPPORT THE FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY AS WELL AS STAFF RE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY MEETINGS, SO MANY CPC HEARINGS OR FLORAL FARM, THE MEMBERS OF FLORAL FARMS HAVE JUST COME UP AND ADVOCATED FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR HEALTH. 
          I'M HERE TO JUST ECHO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME. 
          REMOVING THE REMAINING INDUSTRIAL ZONING FROM FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY WOULD GIVE THE COMMUNITY ONE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, AND TWO, WHAT THEY DESERVE. 
          THIS IS A SMALL STEP FOR YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS TODAY, BUT THIS WOULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR DALLAS AS A WHOLE AND LEAD TO CHANGES IN COMMUNITIES LIKE WEST DALLAS OR LIKE JOA FI, NOT EVEN FIVE MILES DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THESE COMMUNITIES SOUTH OF THE TRINITY ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THEIR ADJACENCY TO INDUSTRY. 
          THEY HAVE BEEN OVERBURDENED, AND IT IS A LEGACY OF RACISM THAT THEY ARE VERY, VERY TIRED OF. 
          AND I KNOW Y'ALL ARE TIRED OF HEARING IT, MAKING THIS CHOICE TO FINISH THIS RACE THAT Y'ALL HAVE STARTED, THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE STARTED IN 2019. 
          AND 
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REMOVING THE POSSIBILITY OF INDUSTRY AND FLORAL FARMS WOULD NOT ONLY BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS CURRENTLY LIVING IN FLORAL FARMS, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BENEFIT THE FUTURE RESIDENTS OF FLORAL FARMS AND ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THIS WILL SET A PRECEDENT FOR ALL THE CHOICES WE MAKE REGARDING THE STATE OF DALLAS. 
          LAND USE AND ZONING TODAY IS NOT JUST TO ALLEVIATE THE BURDENS OF ITS CURRENT RESIDENTS, BUT IT'S ALSO ITS FUTURE RESIDENTS. 
          I HOPE YOU TRULY, TRULY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING. 
          NOT JUST THE FLORAL FARMS COMMUNITY, BUT THEIR ALLIES, THEIR COMMUNITY ALLIES, THE GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING THEM, AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US MS. TERRELL. 
          AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M GAIL TERRELL, 1445 FIREBIRD DRIVE. 
          I AM THE CITY OF DALLAS'S APON TO THE INLAND PORT TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION BOARD AND THE DISTRICT, A COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP COALITION COORDINATOR. 
          WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, RESIDENTS 17, WHICH EMAILED TO YOU EARLIER TO ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. 
          I'VE LISTENED TO PREVIOUS MEETINGS HELD TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE FLOOR FARMS NEIGHBORHOOD, LAND USE AND ZONING PLAN. 
          THE FLOOR FARM RESIDENTS HAVE WORKED FOR FIVE YEARS TO GET A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN TO REFLECT THEIR VISION FOR, FOR FLOOR FARMS. THE FLOOR FARMS RESIDENTS HAVE DOCUMENTED THE LACK OF CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPATION FOR MANY OF THE BUSINESSES OPERATING CLOSE TO THEIR HOMES. 
          FLOOR FARMS RESIDENTS HAVE HELD MANY NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, WHICH WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND EVERYONE WERE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE. 
          THE FLOOR FARMS LAND USE AND ZONING PLAN NOT ONLY REFLECTS THE VISION OF THE RESIDENTS, IT ALSO REFLECTS THE VISION OF THE PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN FORWARD DALLAS PLAN. 
          WE URGE YOU TO VOTE TO SUPPORT AND APPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN FOR BEFORE YOU TODAY. 
          AND THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO A POSITIVE VOTE. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MR. WILSON. 
          GOOD, GOOD EVENING. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS ERIC WILSON. 
          I RESIDE AT 7 9 42 JUVENILE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 7. 
          AND I TOO WANT TO ECHO PREVIOUS SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT FLORAL FARMS, UH, SUBMISSION AND WITH THE EXCEPTION, UH, WITHDRAWING AND REMOVING THE INDUSTRIAL USE, UH, FOR THIS AREA. 
          COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS, I WANNA CONGRATULATE YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR EFFORT INTO THIS AND USING SUCH A POWERFUL TOOL TO BE SUCH A GREAT INSPIRATION FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES IN HELPING A COMMUNITY THAT HAS JOINED TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN AND FIGHT FOR ITSELF. 
          AND YOU BEING COMMISSIONERS USING THE TOOLS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY FOR DALLAS IS A TOOL TO BE USED FOR DECADES TO COME. 
          AND WE DON'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY, OR THE, YOUR ACTIONS TODAY WILL NOT ONLY REPRESENT YOUR COMMITMENT TO WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES, UH, SUCH AS FLORAL FARM AND OTHERS TO BEGIN TO CORRECT OR TO CONTINUE TO CORRECT THE WRONGS OF THE PAST AS YOU SEE FIT. 
          THAT IS NECESSARY FOR OUR CITY TO BE SUSTAINABLE, UH, FOR OUR CITY TO GROW AND FOR COMMUNITIES TO COME TOGETHER, UNITE AS ONE, AND TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD, BUT ALSO ACTION TAKEN FROM THEIR VOICES. 
          SO AGAIN, I CONGRATULATE YOU IN ADVANCE OF YOUR POSITIVE VOTE FOR, UH, THE REQUEST OF FLORAL FORMED AND ALL OF THOSE FUTURE COMMUNITIES AND RESIDENTS THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU AND SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY CAN, UH, COUNT ON A COMMISSION THAT WILL LISTEN AND ACT ACCORDING TO WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS JUST THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          GEORGE, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN FAVOR THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM? IT'S ALL MINE. 
          MR. PERKINS. 
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MR. PERKINS, ARE YOU ONLINE, SIR? MR. PERKINS, ARE YOU ON LINE? OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          WELL, MY APOLOGIES. 
          UH, ESTE ESPANOL. 
          OKAY. 
          OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          NEIL GOLDBERG. 
          UH, THE, THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          I'M NEIL GOLDBERG. 
          I LIVE AT, UH, 55 30 PALAMA LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 9. 
          I'M OPPOSED TO THIS CASE AS WRITTEN. 
          I AGREE WITH MANY, MANY THINGS THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT THIS IS A ZONING CASE. 
          THIS IS NOT A A RACIAL INJUSTICE CASE. 
          IT'S NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL CASE, IT'S A ZONING CASE. 
          MY PROPERTY IS BEING DOWN ZONE ZONED FROM HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. 
          IT'S JUST NOT FAIR AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR DALLAS. 
          DIFFERENT USES LIKE OURS IN THE SCRAP PROCESSING AND RECYCLING INDUSTRY CAN COEXIST FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF DALLAS. 
          I BOUGHT THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS AN AUTO RENEWABLE SUP SINCE 19 88, 36 YEARS, AND CONTINUOUSLY HAS BEEN A RECYCLING CENTER. 
          IT IS A NATURAL LOCATION FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. 
          SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY BEHIND IS A THE UP RAILROAD A STONE'S THROWAWAY IS THE MACOMBS LANDFILL. 
          A MILE AWAY IS INTERSTATE 45. 
          LESS THAN TWO MILES SOUTH IS INTERSTATE 20. 
          THERE ARE HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF TRUCK TRACTORS AND TRAILERS, PASSENGER CARS, PICKUPS. 
          EXECUTING CITY OF DALLAS COMMERCE EVERY SINGLE DAY ON THESE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. 
          SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT SPOT FOR HEAVY INDUSTRY. 
          I RESENT THE FACT THAT HEAVY INDUSTRY IS PAINTED WITH A BROAD BRUSH WITH SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH TOWN HALL MEETINGS FOR 50 YEARS AND IT'S SOMETIMES NOT A FAIR PROCESS. 
          QUESTIONS AT TOWN HALL MEETINGS TO CITIZENS. 
          WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A RECYCLING CENTER HERE OR A BEAUTIFUL TARGET OR A HOME DEPOT OR BETTER YET, LET'S HAVE A MOVIE THEATER. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT CHOICE FOR PEOPLE TO SAY WE DON'T WANT A RECYCLING CENTER THERE, BUT IT'S NOT REALISTIC. 
          THE WORDS HEAVY IN INDUSTRY ARE NOT DIRTY WORDS. 
          MAYBE BECAUSE OF SOME BAD ACTORS LIKE SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          BUT THAT'S A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE. 
          THAT IS NOT ME. 
          THAT IS NOT WHAT HEAVY INDUSTRY DOES. 
          THE CODE COMPLIANCE LIT US DOWN. 
          THAT'S NOT THE VAST MAJORITY OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL OPERATORS. 
          THEY'RE HARDWORKING TAX PAYING BUSINESS ENTREPRENEURS, STAYING IN COMPLIANCE WITH CITY, STATE, AND FEDERAL LAWS. 
          I ATTENDED ALMOST ALL THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS FOR FLORAL FARMS. I HEARD A LOT OF STATISTICS THAT I CAN ONLY PARAPHRASE. 
          THE STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF IT NEEDS TO BE AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I'VE MET WITH ALRIGHT, LEMME GO TO YOU. 
          COMPLETE YOUR THOUGHT. 
          THESE LAND USES CAN COEXIST IN EVERY METROPOLITAN AREA AND DALLAS CAN BE THE SAME, AND WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE INJUSTICES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. 
          BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO, UH, REDO A RECYCLING BUSINESS. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU 
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MS. MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME'S TREY BROWN, 9 6 0 1 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          I REPRESENT THE BROWN FAMILY PROPERTIES AND BIG CITY CRUSHED CONCRETE. 
          WE OWN 26 ACRES NEXT DOOR TO SHINGLE MOUNTAIN ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          WE APPRECIATE STAFF AND ALL THE MEETINGS, UH, THAT WERE HELD TO DISCUSS THIS CASE. 
          WE'RE ALL HERE BECAUSE OF SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          THERE WAS ONE CRIMINALLY MINDED BUSINESS OWNER THAT CAUSED PROBLEMS. OTHER BUSINESSES IN THIS REGION SUBJECT THEMSELVES DAILY TO ALL OF OUR CITY'S AUTHORITY AND ALL THE COMPLIANCE SHOULD BE MANDATED AND ENFORCED. 
          AN OVERLOOK COMPONENT OF THE WORKSHOP MEETINGS WE HAD, UH, OF WHICH MANY OF US PARTICIPATED IN IT, MANY OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS DID, IS THAT MUCH OF THIS 522 ACRES WAS SHOWN, UH, TO BE IN FLOODPLAIN. 
          WHEN WE ASKED STAFF IF THE MAPS, UH, WERE CORRECT, THEY SAID THEY MIGHT NOT BE CURRENT. 
          WELL, I DO KNOW BECAUSE I'VE OWNED PROPERTY IN THIS REGION FOR 20 YEARS, THAT BECAUSE OF ALL THE ILLEGAL FILLING IN HUTCHINS JUST SOUTH OF THE MCCOMBS BLUFF LANDFILL, THE FLOOD ELEVATION'S DEFINITELY HERE ARE RISING. 
          THEY'RE NOT RECEDING. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS ATTEMPTING TO PROTECT NONCONFORMING USES, WHICH DO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL USES IN AN AREA OF, IN AN AREA OF POTENTIAL FLOODING. 
          THIS IS A CORRIDOR BOUNDED ON THE WEST BY I 45 UP MAIN RAIL LINE ON THE EAST AND STATE HIGHWAY THREE 10 RUNS RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AREA. 
          WHEN WE HAD MCCOMBS BLUFF IN THE FLOODPLAIN IN THE MIX, I THINK WE'VE DEFINED A CORRIDOR WHICH IS PERFECTLY SUITED FOR THE HEAVIER BUSINESS USES, WHICH OUR CITY MUST HAVE TO SUSTAIN ITSELF. 
          WE MUST HAVE GARBAGE TRUCKS GOING LANDFILL. 
          WE MUST HAVE TRAINS MOVING ALL OF OUR COMMODITIES. 
          WE MUST HAVE TRUCKS TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE COMMODITIES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. 
          ALL THESE MOVEMENTS REQUIRE THE BUSINESSES WHICH SUPPORT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THESE BUSINESSES INCLUDE METALS, AGGREGATES, AND RECYCLING BUSINESSES. 
          THESE INDUSTRIES ARE THE FOUNDATION OF OUR CITY. 
          A RESPONSIBLE CITY PLAN PROVIDES SPACE FOR THE BUSINESSES WHICH SUSTAIN THE CITY. 
          I URGE YOU TO CONCLUDE THAT THIS REGION OF THE CITY IS A PROPER LOCATION FOR THESE HEAVIER USE BUSINESSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MIGHT BE GOOD EVENING NOW. 
          COMMISSIONERS, UH, GREG O BOY. 
          2 7 7 7, 5 9 MILE WARREN, MICHIGAN. 
          UH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF USTI FINANCE AND UNIVERSAL INTERMODAL SERVICES. 
          UH, THEY'RE COMMONLY OWNED ENTITIES. 
          THIS IS WITH REGARDS TO 9,000 SOUTH CENTRAL, UH, EXPRESSWAY. 
          IT'S THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE EXPRESSWAY AND SIMPSON STEWART ROAD. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE AND NORTH FROM THE AREAS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT ALREADY TODAY. 
          I WAS HERE LAST MONTH OR MARCH WITH A LIGHT OBJECTION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME WAS THE DOWN ZONE IS FROM IR TO LI. 
          WE COULD CONTINUE WITH OUR OPERATION. 
          I WAS HERE. 
          I PUT A LIGHT OBJECTION ON THE RECORD. 
          NOW. 
          STAFF 30 DAYS LATER STRUCK OUT ALL OF OUR USES IN INDUSTRIAL WITH THE NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. 
          AND WE VEHEMENTLY OBJECT TO THIS PROPOSED REZONING AS IT APPLIES TO OUR 50 ACRE PARCEL. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE REST OF THE AREA. 
          UM, I'VE ONLY FOCUSED ON MY 50 ACRES AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE GET REMOVED FROM THIS PETITION AND THIS REZONING. 
          THERE'S JUST NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS REZONING TO OUR PROPERTY. 
          WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS, UH, SUCCESSFULLY, CONTINUOUSLY, NO CODE VIOLATIONS, NO COMPLAINTS. 
          WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS WE HAVE A RAIL SPUR TO OUR EAST OPEN GREEN SPACE. 
          BEYOND THAT, A TRUCKING TO THE NORTH, UM, WE'RE 50 ACRES. 
          WE'RE PROBABLY THE LARGEST PARCEL IN THIS AREA. 
          LARGEST TAXPAYER, MAYBE LARGEST EMPLOYER. 
          OUR FIRST NOTICE ABOUT THIS WAS IN MARCH, BUT AGAIN, I, WE CAME, BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME. 
          BUT FOUR YEARS OF PLANNING CAME TO MARCH SAYING THAT WE SHOULD BE ALLY INSTEAD OF IR. 
          OKAY, BUT HOW, HOW DO WE DO 30 DAYS LATER? AND ON SIX DAYS NOTICE, I GOT THE LANGUAGE OF THE PDD ON FRIDAY BY DOWNLOADING IT FROM THE INTERNET WHEN IT BECAME AVAILABLE. 
          AND NOW I GOTTA DEAL WITH BEING NONCOMPLIANT OR LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE DOWN IN THE FUTURE. 
          I HEARD THAT EARLIER TODAY, YOU GUYS, A YEAR AND FOUR MEETINGS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OR REZONING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE TO TOWN HALL. 
          NOW IN 30 DAYS, WE WANT TO CHANGE THE REZONING ON 500 ACRES IN 30 DAYS, OR IN MY CASE, 50 ACRES IN 30 DAYS, OR EVEN SIX DAYS. 
          IF YOU SAY WHEN THE LANGUAGE GOT PUBLISHED, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY FACTUAL SUPPORT TO JUSTIFY THE REZONING OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          NOBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT OUR 
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PROPERTY 'CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS. 
          WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EXPRESSWAY, AND I AM SYMPATHETIC, AND THAT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT THING WITH REGARDS TO SHINGLE MOUNTAIN, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BRING US IN AS COLLATERAL DAMAGE TO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, AT BEST, I SEE THIS RECENT CHANGE IN THE ZONING AS IT APPLIES. 
          OUR PROPERTY IN ITS, IN ITS BEST CASE, IT'S ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS IN ITS WORST LIGHT. 
          IT'S WHIMSICAL. 
          UM, THIS IS SERIOUS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AT STAKE, BIG OPERATION. 
          WE'VE BEEN THERE, LIKE I SAID, SUCCESSFULLY FOR 20 YEARS. 
          AND NOW PLEASE LEAVE. 
          I WOULD ASK THAT WE GET REMOVED FROM THE, THE AREA, THE SUBJECT AREA, OR GIVE MORE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT PROPERLY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          I'M ROBERT MIKLOS. 
          MY ADDRESS, 2,500 DALLAS PARKWAY, SUITE 600, PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 9 3. 
          THAT'S MY OFFICE ADDRESS. 
          HE'S MY CLIENT. 
          UNIVERSAL LOGISTICS, 9,000 SOUTH CENTRAL. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO BE REDUNDANT, UH, ABOUT WHAT HE SAID. 
          UM, FIRST, WE'RE NOT SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          WE'VE BEEN THERE OVER 20 YEARS. 
          NO CITATIONS, NO NOTICES OF VIOLATION, NO TCEQ COMPLAINTS. 
          WE ARE A GOOD OPERATOR IF WE GET CAUGHT UP, SWEPT AWAY. 
          UH, AND THE TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE, UH, ADJUSTMENT, UH, THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS NEEDS TO DO, AND I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THAT IN A MINUTE, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS SHINGLE MOUNTAIN THAT'S HARMING US FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DID NOT DO NOW. 
          SHINGLE MOUNTAIN. 
          TERRIBLE. 
          AWFUL THING I'M NOT GONNA SUGGEST OTHERWISE. 
          IT'S A BAD ACTOR DOING A TERRIBLE THING AND A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF DALLAS' CODE ENFORCEMENT TO NOT ADDRESS THAT MATTER OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES. 
          WE SHOULD NOT LOSE OUR FAMILY BUSINESS AND GET DESTROYED BECAUSE OF A BAD ACTOR DOWN THE ROAD AND THE CITY OF DALLAS', FAILURE TO DO JUST THAT. 
          SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT MAY HAPPEN. 
          IF THIS PART PASSES AND WE GET THE PD WITH NO INDUSTRIAL USES WHATSOEVER, WE WILL THEN BECOME NON-CONFORMING. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNTIL AND UNLESS THE CITY OF DALLAS TERMINATES OUR NON-CONFORMITY, IN WHICH CASE THE CITY OF DALLAS WILL THEN HAVE TO COMPENSATE US AND ANY OTHER BUSINESSES THAT THIS HAPPENS TO. 
          NOT FOR THE AMORTIZATION VALUE, NOT LIKE IT USED TO BE, UH, WHEN YOU AMORTIZED NON-CONFORMING USES, BUT NOW THE VALUE OF THE BUSINESS, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER INDIVIDUAL OPERATORS. 
          WE ASK INSTEAD TO REACH OUT AND WORK WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO PRESERVE WHAT'S GOOD, ADDRESS WHAT CONCERNS. 
          WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY CONCERNS. 
          NONE OF THESE PEOPLE BEHIND US EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT US, COMPLAINED ABOUT US, HAD ANY ISSUE WITH US. 
          BUT WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH ANY TRUCK ROUTING ISSUES, ANY DUST ISSUES, NOT THAT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ANY, ANY SCREENING ISSUES. 
          WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THAT TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE AND CONTINUE A GOOD OPERATING FAMILY BUSINESS. 
          PLEASE DO NOT SWEEP US AWAY BECAUSE OF ANOTHER BAD ACTOR AND THE HORRENDOUS FAILURE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS TO ENFORCE WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS ENFORCED. 
          COMMISSIONER, I AM SORRY THAT ANOTHER BUSINESS DID THAT IN YOUR DISTRICT. 
          I CAN'T BEGIN TO SAY, UH, THAT YOU SHOULD IGNORE THAT YOU SHOULD DO EVERYTHING AND THE CITY SHOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT IT SHOULD DO TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          AND I'M SUPPORT THAT. 
          I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU DON'T DESTROY OUR FAMILY BUSINESS WHEN WE DIDN'T DO THAT. 
          WE WERE A GOOD OPERATOR. 
          WE EMPLOYED PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO ADDRESS ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE CONCERNS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          PLEASE RETHINK THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT OF WIPING OUT FAMILY BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          MY NAME IS CHRIS BOWERS, 1316 VILLAGE CREEK PARKWAY, PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 9 3. 
          I REPRESENT AMERICAN IN, UH, INDUSTRIAL AND TRADING, KNOWN AS A-I-T-A-I-T OWNS 2.6 ACRES AT 95 0 5. 
          UH, SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, WHICH IS NEAR THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES OF THIS, UH, AREA, PROPOSED FOR REZONING ZONING REPRESENTS PLANS FOR THE FUTURE OF AN AREA, BUT THE ZONING THAT IS PROPOSED FOR 
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A IT TAKING IT FROM IR TO AGRICULTURE LEAVES THIS PROPERTY WITH NO FUTURE. 
          AND I SAY THAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          FIRST, IT CREA, IT MAKES THE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES NON-CONFORMING. 
          AND THE CITY CODE SAYS THAT ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE CODE IS TO ELIMINATE NON-CONFORMING USES. 
          WELL, IF AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES, THEN THIS PROPERTY BEING ZONED AGRICULTURE, IT'S TOO SMALL FOR RANCHING OR FARMING. 
          IT'S ONLY 2.6 ACRES THAT DOESN'T EVEN SUPPORT A COW IN TEXAS. 
          YOU CAN'T RANCH, UH, OR FARM ON THIS AREA. 
          UH, EITHER IT'S NOT VIABLE. 
          UH, THE CITY CODE SAYS THAT NO RESIDENTIAL USE IS ALLOWED IN THE AGRICULTURE DISTRICT. 
          IF A PROPERTY IS LESS THAN THREE ACRES, UH, THERE IS ALREADY NO DEMAND FOR THIS, UH, AGRICULTURAL USE. 
          WHEN A PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED, ALL THEY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP AN AGRICULTURAL USE, THEY'LL GO TO VACANT LAND. 
          UH, SO ULTIMATELY, YESTERDAY WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CITY STAFF AND WE ASKED THEM, UH, WHAT USE CAN THIS PROPERTY BE PUT TO IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING? AND OTHER THAN THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING USE STAFF DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER OF HOW IT COULD BE VIABLE USED. 
          THEY FINALLY SAID, WELL, YOU MAY NEED TO COMBINE IT WITH ANOTHER PROPERTY. 
          WELL, THAT MEANS MY CLIENT IS EITHER FORCED TO SELL ITS PROPERTY OR IT'S FORCED TO BUY ANOTHER PROPERTY. 
          AND I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THIS ZONING DRASTIC ZONING CHANGE RESULTS IN A TAKING OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. 
          I ALSO BELIEVE IT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT YOUR CODE SAYS ABOUT AGRICULTURAL ZONING. 
          YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS THAT AGRICULTURAL ZONING IS INTENDED FOR LAND AT THE EDGE OF A CITY THAT HAS NO MUNICIPAL SERVICES. 
          THIS LAND IS NOT NEAR THE EDGE, AND IT ALSO HAS MUNICIPAL SERVICES FOR DECADES. 
          YOUR CODE ALSO SAYS THAT AGRICULTURAL ZONING IS MEANT TO BE TEMPORARY UNTIL AN AREA HAS DEVELOPED WELL, THIS AREA HAS DEVELOPED. 
          AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST IT WOULD BE ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS TO GO FROM THE SECOND MOST INTENSE INDUSTRIAL USE ALLOWED IN THE CODE FOR DECADES IR TO THE LEAST INTENSE USE ALLOWED IN THE CODE AGRICULTURAL. 
          AND IN FACT, IT'S BEYOND ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER. 
          IT'S CRUEL. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION BEFORE WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? MR. UH, OCKER? ARE YOU LINE, SIR? OH, HE'S ALREADY, OH, THERE WE GO. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, SIR, IN A MOMENT. 
          WAS IT, WHO IS THAT ONLINE? JORDAN COULDN'T TELL. 
          HI. 
          GO AHEAD SIR. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          MY NAME IS KAVE SHAHAD WITH 95 0 5 SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          AND, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW AS, UH, MR. BOWERS JUST MENTIONED, IS FROM IR TO A AGRICULTURAL. 
          AND WE OPPOSE THIS RECOMMENDATION LAST SEPTEMBER, WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER 12TH OF LAST YEAR, WE, UH, WE HAD A MEETING, UH, AUTHORIZED HEARING MEETING, AND THERE WAS A VOTE TO MOVE AHEAD WITH A PARTICULAR MAP, UH, PROPOSAL. 
          AND OUR PROPERTY AT THAT TIME WAS, UH, WAS BEING PROPOSED FOR LI SO MARCH 7TH WAS THE FIRST DAY AFTER THAT WE HEARD THAT IT'S, OTHERWISE WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE STAFF YESTERDAY AND WITH, UH, MS. WEER AND MR. KOTH AND, UM, ATTORNEY, UH, BURGESS. 
          AND, UH, UH, MS. WEER SUGGESTED THAT WE BRING UP OUR CONCERNS TODAY. 
          AND, UH, IN ORDER TO REMAIN IN A LI PERHAPS WE CAN, UH, HAVE SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THE FORM OF, UH, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFERING OR SOME OTHER, UH, FORM THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO, UH, THE PARTIES. 
          UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL FOR MANY DECADES AS, UH, I TWO AND, UH, IR MOST RECENTLY. 
          AND, AND IT HAS, UH, AND IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED AS THE IR SO WE'RE ASKING RESPECTFULLY THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER THE HISTORIC USAGE AND ALSO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE OUR BUSINESS UNDER THEI ZONING, EITHER ALLY ZONING OR ALLY ZONING WITH, 
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UM, DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, GEORGE. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY FOLKS ONLINE THAT HAVEN'T SPOKEN? ELLIE? YES. 
          HI. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU SEE ME? UH, NOT YET. 
          UM, THERE YOU GO. 
          SORRY. 
          WE CAN SEE YOU NOW CAN SEE ME. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN SEE ME. 
          IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          WE, WE CAN SEE AND HEAR YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AMAZING. 
          UH, HI EVERYONE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ELLIE OAG. 
          I'M THE OWNER OF 44 0 3 RIVER OAKS DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE PARCELS THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED HERE OF THE, UH, OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON, ON, ON. 
          YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY, WE'VE ACTUALLY LEARNED A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THIS NOW, REZONING, UM, AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, JUST BASED ON THESE, THESE, UH, ON PEOPLE NOT BEING, UH, I GUESS GOING AGAINST, UH, AND OPPOSING THIS, THIS MATTER. 
          UM, THE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S CHANGES HERE, NOT ONLY NOW WE'RE NOT IN, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 
          NOW WE'RE IN A COMPLETELY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WHERE OUR USE THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 40, 50 YEARS, IF NOT MORE, UH, AT, AT OUR PROPERTY FOR SURE. 
          UM, THAT AND NOW WILL NOT BE ALLOWED, OR WE'LL HAVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL PLAN PLANNING AND PERMITTING JUST BECAUSE OF THIS SHINGLE MOUNTAIN, UH, OBVIOUSLY CATASTROPHE. 
          UM, I, I, I REALLY WANT TO MIMIC EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS SAID TO ME PREVIOUSLY, UM, THAT IS IN OPPOSITION OF THIS, OF THIS MATTER. 
          UM, WE STRONGLY OPPOSE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          AND THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, OBVIOUSLY LAST CALL, LAST, UH, MEETING, I WAS ALSO A SPEAKER IN, IN MARCH. 
          UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE UP OPPOSING THIS MATTER. 
          AND THEN NOT ONLY WAS IT SWITCHED TO LIGHT INDU FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UM, TO NOT HAVING THIS PLAN, UH, THIS, THIS, UH, THIS REZONING AT ALL, BUT NOW TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I THINK MAY BE EVEN A MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO GET ANYTHING DONE HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN CONFORMANCE SINCE WE'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR ROUGHLY TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS NOW. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN CONFORMANCE FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS PRIOR TO US ACTUALLY OWNING IT. 
          UM, THE BUSINESSES HERE AND, AND EVERYONE THAT, THAT, THAT IS REQUIRED HERE. 
          WE HAVE TRUCK PARKING, THERE'S OUTDOOR STORAGE AROUND ALL, ALL OVER THIS MAR ALL OVER THIS AREA. 
          THESE ARE VITAL, VITAL NECESSITIES FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, NOT ONLY LIKE DALLAS COUNTY, BUT ENTIRE TEXAS ENTIRE COUNTRY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DIRECTLY COMING FROM PORTS ALONG I I 45, IF NOT HERE FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND TRUCK PARKING. 
          AND FOR REALLY ALL THESE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE IRR UM, UH, ZONING CODE. 
          WHERE ELSE WOULD YOU PUT THIS? YOU KNOW, YOU, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING WILL JUST COST MORE. 
          EVERYTHING WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT. 
          AND I, ALONG WITH EVERYONE THAT HAS BOUGHT PROPERTIES HERE, UH, AND THAT HAVE INVESTED TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF MONIES HERE, HAVE BOUGHT THESE PROPERTIES AND OPERATE THESE BUSINESSES FOR THE, FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS, OUR, OUR, OUR WORK HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO GET ALL THIS WORK DONE. 
          AND SO WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS MATTER AND WE HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CAN REALLY LISTEN TO EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO SAY, BECAUSE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR, THAT YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE? GEORGE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER, IT'S TIME FOR QUESTIONS. 
          QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR FOLKS IN SUPPORT COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, UM, I'M GONNA START WITH MR. MCGILL. 
          IS HE STILL ONLINE? MA'AM? MR. MCGILL, YOU, UM, SAID THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT INDUSTRIAL USES WERE NOT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OH, WERE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, THE, THE INDUSTRIAL USE THAT WAS ADJACENT ON SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY IS NO LONG, THAT IS ADJACENT TO, UM, MS. JACKSON'S RESIDENCE IS NO LONGER BEING RECOMMENDED FOR INDUSTRIAL USE? I WAS NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WOULD YOU BE EXCITED 
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TO HEAR THAT THAT WAS THE TRUTH? UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME THE NEWS. 
          UM, IT'S HARD TO BE EXCITED WHEN YOU WAITED AS LONG AS, UH, THOSE RESIDENTS OUT THERE HAVE WAITED, BUT ARE CERTAINLY, IT'S CERTAINLY WELCOME NEWS. 
          WOULD YOU BE AWARE THAT, UH, THE PD 7 88, UM, THAT IT SITS BACK INTO THIS PARTICULAR AREA? ALSO? IT HAS NO INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY. 
          I, I KNEW THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          UH, MS. UH, MAYO, MAY I ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS, PLEASE? OPPOSITION? NO, HE'S IN FAVOR. 
          UM, WE ONLY, UM, MS. MAYO, YOU, UH, SAID THAT YOU WERE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT MANY WAREHOUSES WERE NO LONGER. 
          WERE YOU AWARE THAT A MINI WAREHOUSE IS NOT A TRADITIONAL WAREHOUSE? IT'S JUST A STOR IT'S MORE A STORAGE UNIT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, NOT TO SAY THAT, UH, BY NAME, BUT BECAUSE I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT ANY BETTER WAY THAN LIKE A U-HAUL STORAGE UNIT, THAT'S, ARE YOU AWARE THAT'S WHAT THE MANY WAREHOUSES BEING USED FOR? I HAVE NOT SEEN A DEFINITION FOR MINI WAREHOUSE VERSUS FULL WAREHOUSE VERSUS SMALL WAREHOUSE IN THE CODE. 
          IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DEFINED SOMEWHERE, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND I'LL VERIFY WITH STAFF THAT A MINI WAREHOUSE IS MORE IN LINE WITH A STORAGE UNIT, NOT A, A, A WAREHOUSE THAT IS A, LIKE THE LARGE ONES THAT BRING THOUSANDS OF TRUCKS IN EVERY DAY. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT MAKE, IS, IS, IS THAT, UH, A CHANGE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? SO, AS I SAID, IT'S THE INDUSTRIAL INSIDE, INDUSTRIAL INSIDE FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND MINI WAREHOUSE THAT WERE THE THREE OUTSTANDING USES THAT THE RESIDENTS STILL HAD CONCERNS ABOUT INCLUDING IN THE PD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER, ER, UM, UH, I, I'M ASSUMING MS. MAYO MAY, MS. MAYO? YES. 
          UM, I'M GONNA PUT THIS IN A PORTION FORM. 
          BE AWARE THAT, UM, I I, I ALSO TALKED WITH OTHER MEMBERS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS FIGHT ABOUT, UH, LIGHT, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND WHAT SOME OF THE USES OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WOULD YOU BE MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE COME TO FIND OUT SHINGLE MOUNTAIN, UH, WELL THAT PLANTES ARE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND SO WE ONLY CHANGE THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL COULDN'T LEAD WEIGHT TO THAT. 
          BUT IF WE PUT IN PLACE, UM, USES, DON'T PUT SOME USES THAT, THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE, UM, BATCH PLANT IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WOULD THAT IMPROVE? UM, AN EXAMPLE OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS, UH, FURTHER DOWN THREE 10. 
          THEY HAVE A CABINET MAKER WHO'S BEEN THERE FOR GOD KNOWS 60 YEARS ALEXANDER, AND THAT'S CONSIDERED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 
          BUT, UH, BUT THEY'VE BEEN THERE LIKE 60 YEARS. 
          UH, WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT BE MORE SATISFIABLE? I AM SORRY. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. 
          IF IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THAT WE, THAT CERTAIN USES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL INSIDE OF THE PD, WOULD THAT BE MORE, UM, WOULD THAT BE MORE IN LINE? UM, AND WOULD YOU BE MORE PLEASED WITH THAT? SO THE PD AS IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED, HAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE SPECIFIC USES WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD CONCERNS WITH, EXCEPT FOR THE THREE THAT I MENTIONED. 
          SO IT'S REALLY JUST THOSE LAST THREE THAT ARE EXISTING ISSUES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, UM, WERE YOU AWARE THAT I, I DESCRIBED THAT TO, UM, THE JOBY COMMUNITY, WHICH IS CLOSE BY THAT, THOSE TYPE OF USES SUCH AS THAT'S ON THREE 10, LIKE THE CABINET MAKER WHO'S BEEN THERE FOR LIKE 80, 80 YEARS AND THEY, THAT CONSIDERS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 
          AND IF YOU TAKE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THOSE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE VITAL TO THE COMMUNITY PRIOR TO OUR HOME DEPOT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. 
          THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S 
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NOT RELATED TO THE FLU OF FARMS COMMUNITY, BUT MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING IT. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF AN EXAMPLE. 
          IT'S, I'M GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT, THAT IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ALSO. 
          I SEE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEAN, AS I SAID, WITHIN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT LAND USES. 
          SOME OF THEM, THE COMMUNITY HAS CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THEM, THEY DON'T. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          IF IT'S NOT A FACILITY THAT'S EMITTING ANYTHING OR CAUSING HIGH TRUCK TRAFFIC OR A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE ADDRESSED TODAY, THAT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MS. MAYO, WHILE YOU'RE STILL THERE, UM, LOOKING AT THE CODE, THE DEFINITION OF MANY WAREHOUSES, A BUILDING OR GROUP OF BUILDINGS CONTAINING ONE OR MORE INDIVIDUAL COMPARTMENT, CAR COMPARTMENTALIZED STORAGE UNITS FOR THE INSIDE STORAGE OF CUSTOMERS GOODS OR WARES WHERE NO UNIT EXCEEDS 500 SQUARE FEET IN FLOOR AREA SPACES MAY NOT BE USED FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE, VEHICLE STORAGE OR PARKING FOR VEHICLES FOR RENT. 
          SO DO YOU SEE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM WITH, WITH THAT SORT OF USE? I HONESTLY WANNA DEFER TO THE RESIDENTS ON THAT. 
          FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE, UM, THERE'S THE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE AND THEN THERE'S WHAT'S GETTING, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY ENFORCED ON THE GROUND. 
          AND I THINK THE CONCERN IS IN A COMMUNITY LIKE FLOW OF FARMS THAT HAS BORNE THE BRUNT OF A LOT OF ILLEGAL LAND USES THAT CONTINUE TODAY, WE WOULD STILL SEE INAPPROPRIATE TRUCKING DUST, ALL THESE THINGS THAT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN FOR WAREHOUSES. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M REPRESENT WEST DALLAS. 
          I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH INDUSTRIAL USES AND SOME OF THE CREATIVE APPLICATIONS OF COS. 
          BUT IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE NEVER SEEN A MINI WAREHOUSE DISGUISED AS ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY READILY IDENTIFIABLE USE. 
          SO, UM, IF IT WERE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD, I WOULD STRIKE THAT OFF MY LIST OF CONCERNS. 
          BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT MANY WAREHOUSE IS IT? IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC USE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE INDUSTRIAL INSIDE FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURE, INDUSTRIAL INSIDE, NOT POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL INSIDE FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I LIVE OFF WEST COMMERCE STREET. 
          I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH LIVING WITHIN 500 FEET OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY, UH, BUSINESSES THAT FALL INTO THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          AND WHEN THEY SPECIFY NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE, THEY'RE NOT EMITTING NOISE AND ODORS AND TEND DO NOT HAVE LARGE, UM, YOU KNOW, HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING THEIR BUSINESSES LIKE MAILING HOUSES OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S COMMERCIAL FOOD PREPARATION, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE CLEANER THAT ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS, THEY FALL INTO THE COMMERCIAL, UH, INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THEY HAVE NOT PROVEN TO BE INJURIOUS TO NEIGHBORHOODS THE WAY SOME OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES ARE. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND SEE IF YOU WERE AWARE OF HOW THOSE, I I HAVE NOT SEEN THE, THE CREATIVE MISAPPLICATION OF THOSE COS THAT I HAVE SEEN IN SOME OF THE OTHERS. 
          AND IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT GIVE YOU, GIVE ANYONE A WEDGE TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, BATCH PLANTS, TRUCKING INDUSTRIES AND, AND THAT SORT OF THINGS. 
          THEY TEND TO IN DOES, UH, INSIDE SMALLER SELF-CONTAINED, YOU KNOW, JOB CREATING BUSINESSES. 
          SURE. 
          AND I COULD BE MISTAKEN, BUT LAST TIME I LOOKED AT GA F'S CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, IT WAS FOR INDUSTRIAL INSIDE POTENTIALLY INCA INCOMPATIBLE. 
          SO I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE SOME CREATIVE MISAPPLICATIONS OF THAT DEFINITION. 
          IT WAS INDUSTRIAL. 
          YEAH. 
          INSIDE IT'S, YEAH. 
          A LONG TIME AGO. 
          YES, I UNDERSTAND. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          MAY I ASK A QUESTION TO STAFF OR WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE IF YOU NOT QUITE THERE, IF YOU DON'T MIND HOLDING IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR FOLKS IN SUPPORT, UH, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL GO TO, UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR FOLKS IN SUPPORT? OKAY. 
          FOLKS IN, UH, SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          MR. GOLDSTEIN, CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR A SECOND PLEASE? GOLDBERG? GOLDBERG. 
          GOLDBERG. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          GOLDBERG, I JUST RENAMED YOU. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          UH, MR. GOLDBERG, UM, YOUR PROPERTY IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND YOU HAVE THE METAL RECYCLING? YES. 
          AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AT THIS LOCATION, CORRECT? I HAVE NOT 
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PERSONALLY BEEN INVOLVED, UH, FOR A LONG TIME. 
          BUT YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR A MINUTE, RIGHT? I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH ON, UH, SOUTH LAMAR STREET FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS. 
          AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN AT THIS LOCATION? UH, JUST ABOUT TWO YEARS. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS LONGER. 
          WELL, I I'VE OWNED IT FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS. 
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE THERE LONGER. 
          UM, BUT YOU ARE THE, YOU ARE WORKING YOUR BUSINESS IN A FASHION THAT YOU HAVE NO, YOU'VE HAD NO ISSUES WITH YOUR CENTRAL, YOUR CO AND WORKING OUT OF COMPLIANCE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          DID I NOT COME AND VISIT YOUR PROPERTY AND WHAT DID I NOT COME AND VISIT YOUR PROPERTY? I'M SORRY. 
          I DID I NOT, DID I COME AND VISIT YOU? OH, YES, YES. 
          YOU SURE DID. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          DID, DID YOU NOT LET ME TAKE A, A LITTLE MINI TOUR OF HOW YOU'RE OPERATING. 
          GOT NOTHING TO HIDE. 
          YOU DON'T GET BUSINESS AS MUCH GREENER THAN, UH, RECYCLING. 
          AND DID, DID I MAKE ANY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. 
          OKAY. 
          DID I MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON YOUR BUSINESS? DID, DID I TELL, DID I SAY THAT? IT DOES NOT, IT'S NOT L IT LOOKED WELL, WELL KEPT AND WELL MAINTAINED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK YOU COMPLIMENTED ME. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, UM, THE, THE, SO YOU ARE, YOU ARE WORKING IN COMPLIANCE AND YOU HAVE, YOU WON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU HAVE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES WITH WITH THE CITY OF, OF DALLAS IN THE WAY YOU OPERATE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. BROWN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, AND JUST SO, SO THAT WE'RE ON THE RECORD, DID YOU, DID YOU AND I NOT GET A, UM, TAKE A TOUR OF THE FLOOR FIND AREA TOGETHER? WE DID LENGTHY. 
          DID DID YOU NOT SHOW ME AREAS OF MY DISTRICT I DID NOT KNOW EXISTED. 
          WE TRAVELED OFF THE BEATEN PATH FOR SURE. 
          AND DID I NOT SHARE WITH YOU THAT I DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE WERE AREAS THAT, THAT IN FLO IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY THAT EVEN EXISTED? CORRECT. 
          UM, DID YOU, DID WE NOT TAKE, DID WE NOT SEE, UM, AREAS THAT WERE OF CHALLENGE OPPOSED TO AREAS THAT WERE OPERATING? UM, MORE IN LINE, MORE IN TUNE TO WHAT WE WOULD THINK THAT THINGS SHOULD LOOK? AND DID YOU NOT SHARE, WELL ACTUALLY TAKE ME BACK TO MCCS BLUFF AND SHOW ME THE WHOLE PERIMETER OF MCCS BLUFF. 
          WE DID, WE NOTED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES WITH ENTRANCE, EGRESS, INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE LANDFILL, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE LESS STACKING OF TRUCKS ALONG HIGHWAY THREE 10. 
          UH, AS WELL AS, UH, WE DID OBSERVE BUSINESSES, WHICH, AND, UH, STRUCTURES WHICH MIGHT BE CONSIDERED NON-COMPLIANT. 
          WE ALSO RECOGNIZED, UH, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCES, WHICH WERE SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, SHOW PIECES. 
          DID YOU NOT GIVE ME A, A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON ABOUT THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT WE WENT DOWN A, A, UH, STREET THAT JUST ENDED WHERE RESIDENTS USED TO LIVE? CORRECT. 
          AND DID YOU NOT EXPLAIN WHAT, DID YOU NOT SHARE WITH ME THAT THE, THE NON-EXISTENCE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DUE TO FLOODING? CORRECT. 
          UH, AND THAT DIRECTLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MCCOMBS BLUFF LANDFILL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF IT, THAT, THAT, THAT EXIST, THAT AREA DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE FOR ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF HOUSING? CORRECT. 
          THERE'S ONE CITY STRUCTURE THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SIMPSON STEWART. 
          UM, AND THAT WOULD, THAT THERE AND THE ONE CITY STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE IS PART OF THE, THE TRAINING FACILITY FOR OMI BLUFF, CORRECT? OR, I BELIEVE SO. 
          IT'S, IT'S TRANSITIONED A COUPLE TIMES IN RECENT DECADE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN NORTH OF, UM, SIMPSON STEWART ON THE FRONT ON THE BACK END, WE WENT, WE WENT BACK THERE AS WELL, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS A, KIND OF AN INTERESTING AREA, IF I MAY SAY SO. 
          UM, BUT THE USES THAT WE EXHIBITED BACK THERE WERE NOT USES THAT, 
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UH, DID, DID I NOT SHARE? WERE NOT USES THAT I THOUGHT WERE AS APPROPRIATELY MANAGED AS SOME OTHER AREAS. 
          I THINK WHAT WE, WHAT WE COMMENTED ON SUBSTANTIALLY WAS THAT THERE IS A TRANSITION BETWEEN FLOODPLAIN LANDFILL USES RAILWAY TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THERE THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AND SOME THAT ARE LESS APPROPRIATE. 
          DID WE NOT SPEND ABOUT TWO HOURS TOGETHER IN THIS TOUR? THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I, I GIVE YOU THREE. 
          UM, THANK, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I, I BUT FIRST LEMME SAFE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE TOUR. 
          APPRECIATE, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL. 
          SO WE'VE HEARD SOME TESTIMONY THAT BUSINESSES MIGHT BECOME NON-CONFORMING. 
          WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY BECOME NON-CONFORMING? DO THEY, DO THEY STILL EXIST? AND HOW LONG DO THEY EXIST FOR? AND AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING, THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNTIL THIS EITHER CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR CHANGE IN THE STRUCTURE THAT IS SIGNIFICANT CHANGING THE USE. 
          BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE OPERATING AS AN NONCONFORMING RULES WITH THE RIGHTS OF NONCONFORMING USE UNTIL THERE'S CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP OR CHANGE OF USE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO IF THE OWNERSHIP DIDN'T CHANGE AND THE SCOPE OF WORK DIDN'T CHANGE, THEY COULD OPERATE INDEFINITELY? YES, THEY CAN CONTINUE IN PERPETUITY UNTIL THEY START. 
          BUT ANY CHANGE, LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO SELL YOUR BUSINESS, YOU, YOU COULDN'T, YOU'D HAVE TO SHUT DOWN AND, AND, AND MOVE IT OR NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THE NON-CONFORMITY IS TIED TO THE USE, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL, NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          IT'S TIED TO THE USE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I ADD THAT FOR AS LONG THEY CAN. 
          IF THEY SUSPEND THE BUSINESSES FOR AS LONG AS IT IS DONE MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, IF THEY SUSPEND THE BUSINESSES, IF THEY SUSPEND THE BUSINESS, THEN THEY WILL LOSE THE NONCONFORMING CONFIRMING USE UNLESS IT IS, UM, IF IT IS PAST SIX MONTHS. 
          SO THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY MS. HOLLY? YEAH, YOU NEED, WE'RE NOT HEARING YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO SORRY YOU MEANT TO REALLY SPEAK UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE BUSINESSES WILL BECOME, NO, IT WILL BE NON-CONFORMING FOR AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE. 
          IF THEY'RE OPERATING LEGALLY RIGHT NOW WITH THE APPROPRIATE, UM, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR AS LONG AS THEY DON'T SUSPEND THE BUSINESSES, THEY CAN CHANGE OWNERSHIP AND THEY CAN GET ANOTHER CO UNLESS THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          SO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS, YOU WANNA SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE FOR AS LONG AS IT WASN'T SUSPENDED SIX MONTHS OR MORE, THEN THEY CAN CONTINUE THE BUSINESS WITH A DIFFERENT OWNER. 
          AND ALSO THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE CO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PUT THE NAME OF THE NEW OWNER. 
          SO IT IS, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS TO MAINTAIN THE NONCONFORMITY OF THE USE REGARDLESS OF THE OWNERSHIP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          SO, UM, MS. OLGA, SO IF A BUSINESS MAINTAINS ITS CO AND IT'S, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IF A BUSINESS IS OPERATING IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CITY AND THEY IN THIS, AND THEY GO AND WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEY BECOME NON-CONFORMING AND THEY STAY THAT WAY AND DO NOT, UH, SHUT DOWN FOR SIX MONTHS OR MORE, THEY CAN CONTINUE OPERATING IN THAT PLACE INDEFINITELY, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SCHOCK. 
          FOLLOW COMMISSIONER SLEEPER. 
          IN, IN THAT CASE, CAN, UH, CAN ANYBODY BRING A, UM, CASE AGAINST THEM TO COME INTO CONFORMING? I MEAN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE HERE BETWEEN LEGAL NON-CONFORMING AND NON-CONFORMING CAN, NO, THERE IS NO SUCH A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGAL NON-CONFORMING AND NON-CONFORMING. 
          NON-CONFORMING IS THE TERM IS, UM, WHAT IT HAPPENS WITH CHANGES WHEN THE SUNNING CHANGE. 
          IF THE SUNNING CHANGES, THEN IF THE USE IS NOT PERMITTED ANYMORE. 
          BUT IF IT WAS OPERATING 
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WITH A CORRECT CO, THEY CAN CONTINUE OPERATING AND THEY WILL BECOME JUST NON-CONFORMING COMMISSIONER AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE OF SENATE BILL 9 29, THE CITY IS NOT ACCEPTING AMORTIZATION CASES, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS I WAS GOING AT. 
          IS THAT, CAN SOMEBODY BRING IT? SO THEY'RE, WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING THEM CURRENTLY, BUT AT SOME POINT BECAUSE OF SENATE BILL 9 29, WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY ACCEPTING THEM UNTIL THE CODE IS UPDATED TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT NEW STATE LAW. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND I JUST DIDN'T, UM, FULLY UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER THAT YOU GAVE TO COMMISSIONER HALL WITH REGARDS TO EXPANDING. 
          SO IF THEY WANTED TO ADD A STORAGE SHED ONTO THEIR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO, OR THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO SO? IT ALL DEPENDS BECAUSE IF THEY WANNA ADD, UM, A PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE OR A SHED, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE CODE, THE NEW STONING REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. 
          BUT IN TERMS OF USE, THEY CAN CONTINUE DOING THE USE AND THEY CAN EXPAND FOR AS LONG AS IT IS WITHIN THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW SONY DISTRICT. 
          AS LONG AS LONG AS THEY'RE OPERATING WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CEO AND AS LONG THEY SHOULD BE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT MAKE THE NON-CONFORMING USE MORE NON-CONFORMING. 
          SO THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, SO THEY DON'T MAKE THE NON-CONFORMING USE OF MORE NON-CONFORMING AND WILL BE, UM, UM, NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON THE NE IN THE, IN THE AREA. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, I BELIEVE IT WAS GREG, AND I'M SORRY, GREG, I DIDN'T GET YOUR LAST NAME. 
          UM, ANYWAY, HE, HE, HE MENTIONED THAT HIS PROPERTY TWO WEEKS AGO WAS CONFORMING AND THEN SOMETHING CHANGED IN THE PLAN TO MAKE HIS PROPERTY NO LONGER CONFORMING. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS THAT HAPPENED. 
          AND, AND MAY, MAY, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION MORE OF STAFF THAN IT IS OF GREG, BUT WHY WAS THAT CHANGE MADE WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS? CAN I, CAN I CLARIFY MY, MY STATEMENT OR, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF THAT YEAH, IT'S, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T DO. 
          YEAH, IT IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          IT AND THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IN MARCH WAS TO REZONE OUR PROPERTY FROM IR TO LII WAS HERE, I MADE A LIGHT OBJECTION TO IT BECAUSE WE WOULD LOSE SOME FUTURE OPTIONAL USES, BUT OUR CURRENT OPERATION COULD, COULD, COULD EXIST. 
          WHAT HAPPENED THIS PAST FRIDAY WHEN THEY PUBLISHED THE NEW PDD, WHICH THEY REZONING US FROM NOW IR TO PDD, THEY TOOK AWAY ALL THE USES APPLICABLE TO OUR OPERATION. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE A LOGISTICS FACILITY. 
          TRUCKS COME IN, DROP OFF STUFF, TRUCKS GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DALLAS BUSINESSES, WE SERVICE THE DALLAS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I I GOT THAT. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND UH, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OR SEE YOU WHEN YOU'RE SITTING THERE, SO MAYBE YOU COULD, OKAY, SO, SO WHY WAS THAT, WHY, WHY WAS THAT CHANGE MADE? THE CHANGE IS PART OF WHAT? THE POINT THAT WE WERE, UM, REQUESTED TO CONSIDER A PD THAT HAS LESSER IMPACT OF INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          SO THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES, THEY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. 
          UH, I THINK THE DIZZINESS IN QUESTION WAS NOT CON UH, CONFORMING. 
          IT WASN'T, IT IT WAS NONCONFORMING. 
          UH, EVEN BASED ON THE PREVIOUS YOU'RE SAYING LIGHT INDUSTRY, YOU'RE SAYING IT WASN'T A CONFORMING USED BEFORE? YEAH, IT WAS NON-CONFORMING. 
          IT WAS A, IT WAS A LEGALLY NON, NON-CONFORMING USE. 
          IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? YEAH. 
          SO EVEN THE PROPOSED PD IS NOT CHANGING ITS CONFORMITY STATUS. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT THE PROPERTIES OPERATING UNDER THE A CEO FOR AN INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT OTHER USE THEY HAVE IN THE PROPERTY. 
          AND I'VE SEEN IN MY WINDSHIELD. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T GO INTO THE PROPERTIES. 
          WHEN WE DID THE SURVEY OF THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS STORAGE OF CONTAINERS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THERE IS TRUCKS ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE THE NAME OF INTERMODAL, UM, TRANSPORTATION. 
          IT ISN'T CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO I BROUGHT THIS TO THEIR ATTENTION AND THEY NEED TO GET THE CORRECT CO FOR WHATEVER USES THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE IT IS A VERY LARGE PROPERTY. 
          IF THE PROPERTY HAS MORE THAN ONE USE IN THE PROPERTY THAT IS, THAT IS MORE THAN 5% OF THE PROPERTY SIZE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL 
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CO FOR EVERY USE THAT THEY HAVE. 
          SO IF THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY DOING INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE, WHATEVER THAT MEANS, THEN THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN CERTIFICATE OF ACCU CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE OTHER USES. 
          AND WITH THAT CERTIFICATE OCCUPANCY FOR THOSE USERS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE BESIDES THE INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE THEM. 
          THEY WILL HAVE TO MOVE THAT BUSINESS OUT BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE NON-CONFORMING. 
          SO IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, OR OR AT LEAST I'M TRYING TO AMALGAMATE WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER SAID THEY WERE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING BEFORE. 
          IS THAT RIGHT SIR? BEFORE THIS? NO, SIR. 
          NO, NO. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING, UH, STATUS. 
          UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A NON-CONFORMING STATUS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THEY WEREN'T THEY OKAY, THEY HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          YOU'RE SAYING BE BEFORE THIS ZONING CHANGE, THEY, THEY WERE NOT CONFORMING. 
          THEY THEY WERE NOT LEGALLY CONFORMING THEN WHAT I, WHAT I ANY ILLEGAL USE, SIR, WHAT I SAID IS THAT THEY RIGHT NOW HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE. 
          THAT'S THE USE, WHATEVER THAT ENTAILS, WE DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO GO TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS TO PROVIDE, UH, LAND USE STATEMENT TELL BUILDING INSPECTIONS WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THE PROPERTY. 
          AND IF ANY OF THOSE USERS ARE MORE THAN 5% OF THE USE OF, OF THE SIZE OF THE LAND, THEY WILL HAVE TO OBTAIN A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          WHETHER IT IS OUTSIDE STORAGE, WHETHER IT IS, UM, MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING, WHETHER IT IS AT THE INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE, WHICH THEY HAVE A CO ANY USE BESIDES A USE THAT, UM, THE MAIN, IF THERE IS A MAIN USE, BUT THERE IS ANY OTHER USE THAT UTILIZES IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USE AND OCCUPIES MORE THAN 5% OF THE MAIN USE MUST REQUIRE, MUST HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY SAY SOMETHING, I, I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WE BELIEVE THAT THEY DIDN'T, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROPER CEO FOR THE OPERATIONS THAT THEY'RE DOING CURRENTLY. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE A PROPER CO NOW THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE. 
          THAT'S THE BELIEVE BASED ON WHAT WE SAW IN THE PROPERTIES. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE. 
          SO I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE BUSINESS OWNER, BUT ONE OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS SAID THAT THIS WILL SHUT HIS BUSINESS DOWN. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION IS KIND OF A TAG ALONG TO, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPERS. 
          UH, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND, ARE THERE ANY BUSINESSES THAT ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE SHUT, SHUT DOWN, OR HAVE TO STOP BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THIS CHANGE? NOT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE PER SE. 
          IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOT OPERATING WITH A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCU OF OCCUPANCY FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, IF ZONING CHANGE COMES ACROSS AND IS APPROVED, THEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CO THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PERMITTED ON THE LAND. 
          SO, BUT YOU JUST SAID THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT DON'T HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          THAT'S, YES SIR. 
          I ALREADY SAID THAT. 
          SO, SO THERE WILL BE BUSINESSES THAT WILL BE SHUT DOWN AND, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE BUSINESSES, SO MAY I ANSWER THAT PLEASE? UM, THE ZONING CHANGE IN ITSELF WILL NOT SHUT DOWN, REQUIRE BUSINESSES TO CEASE OPERATING. 
          THERE MAY BE CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES THAT, THAT ARE HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          AND THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          THIS ZONING CHANGE WILL NOT CAUSE ANY LEGALLY OPERATING BUSINESSES TO STOP OPERATING THAT. 
          UH, THANK YOU MEGAN, THAT, THAT WAS VERY DEFINITIVE BECAUSE, UH, THERE WAS A, A DOOR THAT WAS OPEN THERE ABOUT 45 SECONDS AGO THAT I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU CLOSED IT. 
          UM, OKAY, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? NO, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, THAT'S OKAY. 
           COMMISSIONER WHEELER, WE'RE WE'RE READY FOR YOUR QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          I SAID, I SAID THIS, I SAID IT'S OKAY. 
          UM, BE WELL, NO, LET ME ASK, I WAS ASKING 
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STAFF, SO WHEN YOU'RE, SO IF THEY HADN'T ONLY NOW CITY STAFF HAS STARTED, UM, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS JUST STARTED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ON LAND USE STATEMENTS, ON LAND USE STATEMENTS, UH, ARE YOU SAYING THAT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO GO UPDATE AND PUT A LAND USE STATEMENT ON FILE? BECAUSE BE PRIOR, UM, PRIOR TO, I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, YOU WERE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A LAND USE DETAILED STATEMENT ON FILE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          THEY DIDN'T EVEN ASK YOU FOR THAT. 
          YOU JUST PUT SOMETHING ON THE, THE, THE, THE APPLICATION AND THEN THEY, UH, EITHER YOU WERE ROUTED OR WHATEVER, BUT I, I PERSONALLY DO PERMITS REGULARLY. 
          AND SO ARE THEY NOW NEEDING TO GO OVER TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PUT ON FILE WHAT ALL ENTAIL? UM, ON, ON PROPERTY? UH, NO COMMISSIONER, THEY WILL NOT. 
          SO LAND USE STATEMENTS REALLY JUST COME INTO PLAY WHEN THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE USE AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL NEEDS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE USE. 
          SO, SO THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE USE RIGHT NOW THERE IS A QUESTION. 
          SO FROM, FROM WHAT, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? WELL, OKAY. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THE QUESTION WAS ARE THESE BUSINESSES GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND PROVIDE ONE THEN? NO. 
          UNLESS THEY HAVE BUSINESS WITH BUILDING INSPECTION, THEY'RE NOT GONNA NEED TO GO IN THERE, PROVIDE ANYTHING. 
          SO CURRENTLY THERE'S A CONCERN IN, IN, IN DEVELOPMENT IN THE USES, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE USES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S RELATED TO, UH, BUSINESSES THAT HAVE, UM, SAY THE CAR, UH, UM, RECYCLING COMPANY, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT DEAL WITH AUTOMOBILES. 
          THERE IS A RANGE, THERE IS A WIDE RANGE THAT SOMETIMES FALLS UPON THOSE USES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES INTO, UM, VEHICLE SALES, VEHICLE DISPLAY, UH, RECYCLING. 
          THERE ARE SO MANY USES AND OFTENTIMES GOING TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AT, UH, DON'T ALWAYS, AND I'VE EXPERIENCED THIS, THEY DO NOT ALWAYS PUT THE RIGHT CODE IN THOSE SECTIONS, ESPECIALLY IF I'M CORRECT WITH THE, WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO IT HAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ALL HE'S DOING ON HIS, HIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          THERE IS A CERTAIN CODE THAT THEY, THEY, I MEAN CERTAIN OTHERS, THERE'S A USE AND THEN AFTER THE USE OF SOME NUMBERS. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T USE THAT NUMBERS, AND THE CITY HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN GOOD ABOUT DOING THAT, THEY COME INTO NON-COMPLIANCE WHEN ACTUALLY WHEN THEY WENT IN, THEY ASKED FOR THE RIGHT ACTUAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, THE RIGHT, UH, USE. 
          SO IS THAT NOW BEING CHALLENGED, ESPECIALLY IN VEHICLE, IN THE, IN, IN ANYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO VEHICLES, FROM SALES TO REPAIRS, ALL THE WAY TO RECYCLING? THERE IS A EXTRA, UH, UH, UH, COUPLE. 
          IT'S SOME NUMBERS. 
          IT'S A CO IT'S NUMBERS THAT THEY USE AFTER THEY HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE AND IT'S DISPLAYED ON OUR CO AND THEY HAVE NOT ALWAYS DONE THAT. 
          MATTER OF FACT, I'VE HAD SEVERAL COS THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND CHALLENGE BECAUSE THEY CAME AND ASKED FOR THE CORRECT THING AND STAFF WAS NOT AWARE WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING OVER AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          AND I ADDED, CORRECTED THE QUESTION THERE PERTAINING TO THE ZONING AT HAND. 
          I'M SORRY, I I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE ASKING. 
          CAN, CAN, CAN, CAN, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I CAN TALK TO THE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I CAN TALK TO THE, UH, GENTLEMAN AND SO THAT I CAN, SO I CAN LOOK IT UP AND STEVE, MYSELF AND THEN I CAN ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION AGAIN TO SOMEONE WITH BUILDING INSPECTION? NO, THE YOUNG MAN THAT, THAT IS HAVING THAT, THAT HAS THE AUTO RECYCLING COMPANY. 
          OH, MR. MR. GOLDBERG. 
          YES. 
          THAT WASN'T ALLOWED. 
          THIS IS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          NO, WELL, HE, SHE'S SAYING THAT GENTLEMAN WITH THE RECYCLING BUSINESS, SO HE WAS JUST, HE WAS JUST UP THERE. 
          OH, HE'S TALKING THE MAN UP THERE, COMMISSIONER. 
          BUT, UM, I'M SORRY. 
          IS IT A STAFF MEMBER? YEAH, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? YEAH. 
          SO I'M ASKING STAFF WHICH LOCATION WAS THAT? OR DO YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS OF THAT LOCATION? AND, AND SO THAT I, THAT, THAT HE, SHE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE MULTIPLE USES. 
          SO COMMISSIONER, AN AUTHORIZED HEARING ONLY DEALS WITH ZONING. 
          AND I THINK SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE ASKING ARE ABOUT, UH, USE DETERMINATION AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO BUILDING INSPECTION. 
          SO WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR, UH, BUILDING, INSPECTION OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          WE CAN ONLY ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO AUTHORIZED HEARING AND ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE ZONING AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION 
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IS GOING TO BECOME QUESTIONABLE AND THE USAGE WITHIN THAT ZONING, UM, CLASSIFICATION IS GOING TO BECOME, UM, IN QUESTION. 
          AND SO I'M ASKING WHAT, WHAT LO WHAT IS THE ADDRESS OF THAT LOCATION THAT IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT IS GONNA HAVE A ZONING THAT IS QUESTIONABLE? I THINK THE AUTHORIZED HEARING IS GONNA COME WITH A VERY CLEAR, DEFINITE DEFINITION OF THE ZONING DISTRICT FOR EACH PERSON WITHIN THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS. 
          SO THAT CLARITY WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH, UH, UH, THE, THE ZONING AUTHORIZED HEARING ZONING DISTRICT THAT ARE ADOPTED. 
          NOW, IF THERE IS ANY ISSUE WITH THE DETERMINATION OF USE OR WHETHER THEY'RE OPERATING WITHIN THE LEGAL PARAMETERS OF THEIR CEO OR THEY'RE ENGAGING IN ACTIVITIES THAT AREN'T AUTHORIZED, THOSE DO NOT FALL UNDER AUTHORIZED HEARING PURVIEW AND THEY WOULD BE DEALT WITH BY THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT, EITHER CODE ENFORCEMENT OR BUILDING INSPECTION. 
          MR. UM, I CAN'T, I CAN'T THINK OF YOUR NAME AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING AT THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL. 
          HOW DO I DETERMINE THAT IF THERE, THERE'S NOT A ADDRESS TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION? HE, THERE IS A, THERE IS SOMEONE WHO'S THERE WHO IS ASKING FOR THE, THAT IS AGAINST THIS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S INFORMED ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          AND I, HE SAID I OBJECTION. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY TO HAVE THAT ADDRESS, IF I MAY JUST REITERATE WHAT I JUST SAID? SO AT THE END OF THIS ALL, WE ARE GONNA HAVE VERY CLEAR, DEFINITE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE ENTIRE AREA. 
          AND THAT IS GONNA BE MADE CLEAR BY WHAT IS ADOPTED. 
          SO IF THERE IS ANY PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH THE USE BECAUSE THE ZONING IS GOING TO BE VERY CLEAR AND DEFINITE, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS PROCESS, UH, THEN THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE AN ISSUE THAT FALL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF OUR WORK AND IT WOULD FALL IN THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO IT, IT, SO AGAIN, THAT ADDRESS IS GONNA FALL WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. 
          AND IT'S A ZONING ISSUE THAT I'M ASKING. 
          AND SO THEN MAYBE I NEED TO KNOW THE BORDERLINE SO THAT MAYBE I CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION WHETHER I SAY YES OR NO. 
          I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE USE, I'M ASKING FOR THE ADDRESS TO SEE WHERE THAT ZONING WOULD OCCUR IF WE CHANGE ZONING FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'LL HAVE SOMEBODY ANSWER THAT. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING IS, IS PART OF THE QUESTION TO SEE THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND WHAT THE PROPOSED ZONING IS ON THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY? YES. 
          YES. 
          ANDREA, CAN WE PUT UP THE MAP AND JUST CIRCLE THE, THE PROPOSED? WILL THAT ADDRESS IT IF WE PUT UP THE MAP? YES. 
          ANDREA, WE HAVE PRESENT GEORGE. 
          GEORGE. 
          DO WE HAVE THE, THE PRESENTATION LOADED? I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I MENTIONED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, SO THEY HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON AND THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS. 
          THAT'S THE LAST ONE. 
          CAN YOU GO TO THE ZONING MAP? THE LAST PAGE? THE LAST PAGE PLEASE. 
          THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          SO COMMISSIONER WILLER, I THINK MOST OF THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ON THE FAR EAST SIDE OF THE SUBJECT AREA. 
          UH, AND WHICH, WHICH, WHICH COLOR? WHICH COLOR? IT'S I THINK THE LIGHTISH PURPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          LIGHT IS PURPLE LIGHT. 
          PURPLE LIGHT BLUISH, DEPENDING ON YOUR SCREEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, RA? SURE. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, THANK YOU. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 180 9 3 41, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF 
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APPROVAL OF A AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT, AND OUR ONE HALF ACRE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND ONE AN R ONE ACRE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 7 73 FOR A METAL PROCESS FACILITY TO PROVIDE AN EXPIRATION DATE THAT IS 10 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE APPROVAL OF THIS ZONING CHANGE WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ANOTHER 10 YEAR PERIOD. 
          AND TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS, DR 7 0 67 DASH 52 OH. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S IT. 
          IT'S, NO, IT'S, IT'S FOR A AUTOMATICALLY RENEWALS FOR 10 FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH, WITH, WITH ELIGIBLE ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIOD AND TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTION DR 7 0 6 7 DASH 1 52. 
          I THINK THAT GETS IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY CLARIFICATION PLEASE? COMM UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? UM, I WAS JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE, IS THE AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 78 YES. 
          INTENDED TO BE INCLUDED? YES, IT IS. 
          UM, I'VE MISSED THAT PART. 
          WE'RE 7 78. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU AMENDMENT. 
          IT WAS INCLUDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UH, COMMENTS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OH, YEAH, PLEASE, PLEASE. 
          WHO SECONDED? SECOND HERBERT. 
          SECOND JUDGE. 
          IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. 
          UH, TODAY I HOPE WE FIND A, WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION UPON THE FUTURE ZONING OF THE FLORAL FARMS AREA. 
          I'M REMINDED OF THE FIVE YEAR JOURNEY THAT THIS HAS BROUGHT US AT TO THIS MOMENT. 
          IT'S AN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS PROCESS PREDATES MY APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMISSION AS IT DOES A MAJORITY OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. 
          YET I STAND COMMITTED TO UPHOLDING THE PRINCIPLES OF THOROUGHNESS, FAIRNESS, AND EQUITY. 
          I LOOK AT THIS DAY TO SAY NOT ONLY THE FLORAL FARMS AREA, BUT THE RESIDENTS OF THE SOUTHERN AREA, BUT, BUT TO EVERYBODY THAT ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES THAT WE, THAT HAVE BEEN OUR WAY OF LIFE HAVE NOW TURNED A CORNER. 
          YES, THE BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE IN THIS AREA ARE NEEDED TO HELP DALLAS TO BECOME THE ECONOMIC CATALYST WE EXPECT, BUT IT MUST BE MINDFULLY DONE. 
          THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT ARE INDUSTRIAL THAT RESIDE IN THIS AREA, THAT ARE DOING THEIR JOB CORRECTLY AND MINDFULLY DONE. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THEM. 
          THE CITY NEEDS THEM AND THE CITY APPRECIATES THEM. 
          THROUGHOUT THE PAST YEARS, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, RESIDENTS, AND BUSINESSES HAVE ENGAGED IN AN EXHAUSTIVE DISCUSSIONS, ENSURING THAT EVERY VOICE IS HEARD AND EVERY CONCERN IS ADDRESSED. 
          THE PROPOSED AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT LIES BEFORE US IS A TREAT, IS A TESTAMENT TO THIS COLLECTED EFFORT. 
          THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA HAVE ENDURED A LONG PERIOD AND TIME HAS CHANGED. 
          IT REPRESENTS A BALANCED APPROACH THAT RESPECTS THE INVESTMENTS AND ENDEAVORS OF OUR RESIDENTS WHILE ADDRESSING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES UNIQUE TO THE FLOOR FARMS AREA AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEEDED BUSINESSES TO ALSO OPERATE WITHIN THE, THIS AREA OF OUR CITY. 
          I, REMI, I REMIND YOU THAT WHILE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES OF THE FLORAL FARMS AREA ARE NOT JUST WHAT WE SEE IN THIS AREA, IT'S A CHALLENGES THAT MARS, OTHER AREAS IN THE SOUTHERN AREA OF DALLAS, LIKE DISTRICT SIX AND THE AUTHORIZED HEARING ASKED YOU TO CHANGE HOW WE NOT ONLY LOOK AT BOTH DISTRICT EIGHT AND DISTRICT SIX, BUT 
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TO ALL OTHER AREAS IN THE SOUTHERN AREA OF DALLAS. 
          THIS VOTE TELLS NOT ONLY THOSE THAT HAVE USED THIS AREA AS THEIR DUMPING GROUND, BUT EVERYONE THAT HUMAN LIFE AND DEVELOPMENT MUST RESPECT THE VISION. 
          ZERO NUMBER ONE, PRECEPT OF SAFETY FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT THE BALANCE OF WHAT THE, THE WHAT, THE BALANCE THAT, THAT NEED TO HAVE BUSINESSES THAT HELP DALLAS TO BE THE CITY OF SAFETY, EQUITY, EMPATHY, AND ENGAGEMENT. 
          THEREFORE, WITH FULL AWARENESS OF THE EFFORTS OF THOSE THAT HAVE PROCEEDED MY TENURE AND THE EFFORTS USED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND STAFF, I URGE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO JOIN ME IN IMPROVING THE FLOOR FOUR AUTHORIZED HEARING AND ENDING A LONG, ARDUOUS PROCESS THAT EVERYONE HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH. 
          LET US REAFFIRM OUR COMMITMENTS TO THE VALUES OF RESPONSIBLE PLANNING, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, AND COMMUNITY PROSPERITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS. 
          SEE NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          LET'S JUST TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AT 6 24. 
          WE WILL GET OUR PIZZA AND WE CAN KEEP MOVING. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WE DO HAVE A, UH, GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          IT'S 6:44 PM AND WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE AROUND THE DOCKET HERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH, UH, CASE NUMBER 46. 
          [46. 24-1476 Consideration of a public hearing to determine the proper zoning on property zoned Subdistrict S-2b in the South Zone of Planned Development District No. 521 with consideration being given to amending Specific Use Permit No. 1739 for an open-enrollment charter school on the south line of West Camp Wisdom Road, west of Eagle Ford Drive and with consideration being given to evaluating whether Specific Use Permit No. 1739 is compatible with adjacent property and consistent with the character of the neighborhood. This is a hearing to consider the request to authorize the hearing and not the rezoning of property at this time. Attachments: SUP 1739_Case Report]
NEXT, THE AUTHORIZATION OF A HEARING. 
          UH, LET'S GET THAT WRITTEN IN THE RECORD, PLEASE. 
          WHAT'S GOING ON? ITEM NUMBER 46, IT'S CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE THE PROPER ZONING ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT S TWO B IN THE SOUTH ZONE OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 21 WITH CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO AMENDING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1739 FOR AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD, WEST OF EAGLE FOUR DRIVE. 
          AND WITH CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO EVALUATING WHETHER SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1739 IS COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY AND CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS A HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE THE HEARING, NOT THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME. 
          AND WE'RE READY FOR OUR SPEAKERS. 
          46. 
          IT'S THE LAST ONE. 
          CARL CARLEY, 2201 MAIN STREET. 
          UM, Y'ALL ALL KNOW ME PRETTY MUCH. 
          UM, I REPRESENT A LOT OF SCHOOLS, UM, A LOT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UH, PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND CHARTER SCHOOLS. 
          AND I'VE REPRESENTED THIS SCHOOL, I BELIEVE SINCE PROBABLY DAY ONE. 
          UH, HARMONY SCHOOL AT THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN THERE OVER 10 YEARS. 
          UM, THIS HEARING WAS CALLED, UM, WE'RE GONNA ASSUME THAT, UH, NOTICES WERE SENT. 
          HARMONY DID NOT RECEIVE ONE, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GET LOST IN THE MAIL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          I, BY CHANCE, UM, AND I THINK YOU GOT A LETTER FROM, FROM DALLAS HORMAN IN OUR OFFICE. 
          I, THE ONE FALSEHOOD OF THAT LETTER IS HE SAID, DANNY MATTHEWS READ IT. 
          I ACTUALLY AM A NERD WITH A NURSE NEWSPAPER AND I READ THE NEWSPAPER EVERY DAY. 
          I'M PROBABLY ONE OF ONLY FIVE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT STILL DO THAT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I READ THE NEWSPAPER EVERY DAY, ESPECIALLY EVERY OTHER MONDAY. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN PUBLIC NOTICES ARE. 
          AND THEN I HAPPEN TO NOTICE, OH, BY THE WAY, THERE'S AN AUTHORIZED HEARING FOR HARMONY SCHOOLS. 
          SO I, WE CONTACTED THEM AND, AND WE TRIED TO FIND THE REASONS FOR THIS. 
          UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE REASONS WERE THREE PLAN COMMISSIONERS ASKED FOR IT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND WE BELIEVE THE REASONS ARE THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH THAT SCHOOL IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DENY THAT, THAT THERE'S BEEN ISSUES. 
          UM, THEY'VE REACHED OUT AND HAD MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, THOSE MEETINGS STOPPED PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO, NOT BY THEIR CHOICE, BUT IT JUST DID. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE THINK THE PROBABLY THE ISSUES AT HAND, AND WE'RE IN THAT LETTER, SO I'M NOT GOING TO, WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS AND IT'S VERY LATE, UM, WITH TRAFFIC. 
          THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THAT, UH, IF YOU LIVE OR BEEN OUT IN MOUNTAIN CREEK, YOU LOOK AT THE DIRT WRONG AND IT COLLAPSES. 
          IT'S VERY BAD DIRT. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THE SHALE AND EVERYTHING, THE AUSTIN CHALK OUT THERE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE, THE BIG, THE, PROBABLY THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE TRAFFIC. 
          AND, AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. 
          UM, CHRISTY LAMBETH THAT MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW, UM, WAS A TRAFFIC IS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT WAS HIRED BY THE SCHOOL, UM, WHILE THIS RETAINING WALL CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON. 
          AND, AND THEY APPLIED FOR THE APPLICATION FOR THE RETAINING WALL, THE PERMIT, UH, IN 22. 
          UM, I'M NOT GONNA GET IN ON THE TOUCHY SUBJECT OF HOW LONG IT 
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TAKES TO GET PERMITS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          WE ALL KNOW THAT. 
          UM, BUT THEY GOT A PERMIT FINALLY AND STARTED CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND, AND THAT'S NOT AN EASY QUICK CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S PROBABLY, IT RAINS HERE A LOT THIS TIME OF YEAR BUILDING RETAINING WALLS AND RAINY SEASON'S PROBABLY NOT GREAT. 
          SO IT'S TAKEN A LITTLE LONGER PROBABLY THAN THEY'D HOPED TO. 
          UH, BUT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. 
          BUT IN THAT INTERIM, THEY'VE HAD TO CHANGE THEIR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN BECAUSE THEY, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE, THOSE WALL CONSTRUCTION GETS IN THE WAY OF THAT. 
          SO THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. 
          AND CHRISTIE, UH, COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, BUT SHE WAS EVEN OUT THERE LAST WEEK AND HAS BEEN OUT THERE MONITORING IT. 
          THEY ALSO HAVE A CERTIFIED P PEACE OFFICER THAT'S OUT THERE HELPING WITH TRAFFIC. 
          THEY'RE NOT THERE EVERY DAY YET, BUT WILL BE THERE EVERY DAY DURING SCHOOL. 
          SO, AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE AT HAND WAS A FENCE TO BE PLACED AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT HAS A CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          AND IN SOME AREAS THERE WASN'T A FENCE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA ENCLOSE THE PROPERTY WITH A, A WROUGHT IRON TYPE FENCE. 
          AND AGAIN, PERMITS IN DALLAS, TAKE A WHILE. 
          UM, THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED, THE CONTRACTOR'S BEEN HIRED. 
          UH, THEY'RE WAITING FOR SCHOOL TO BE OUT IN TWO, THREE WEEKS. 
          THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY, SCHOOL WILL BE OUT AND THEY'LL START CONSTRUCTION AND THE FENCE SHOULD BE COMPLETED, UH, OVER THE LENGTH OF THE SUMMER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOLS, WE DON'T LIKE TO DO CONSTRUCTION DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF PEOPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE HAD A WHOLE LIST OF STUDENTS, BUT STUDENTS HAD TO GO BACK TO THE SCHOOL, HAD HOMEWORK, THEY HAD THEIR PARENTS PICK 'EM UP. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE READY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HI, REBECCA MURRAY HERE. 
          I WORK FOR HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE IN DALLAS. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE OF STUDENTS HERE. 
          WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST, IF THAT'S OKAY, SO THEY CAN GET OUT OF HERE. 
          UM, SO COME ON UP. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME IS FRANCISCO VIN AND I SUPPORT HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THE EXCELLENCE CAMPUS AT 8 1 20 WEST CAMPUS ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 9. 
          I'M THE SENIOR TORIAN FOR THE CLASS OF TWO 2024. 
          I SPENT 12 YEARS AT HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS WITH SEVEN OF THEM BEING AT THE HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE CAMPUS IN THE FALL. 
          I'M GONNA BE A FIRST GENERATION COLLEGE STUDENT AT UT ARLINGTON. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING HARMONY SHOULD BE KNOWN FOR IS THEIR HELPFULNESS TO THE STUDENTS AND THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          OUR COUNSELORS PROVIDE MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE STUDENTS TO SUCCEED. 
          MY COUNSELOR, MR. EMERY, HELPED ME SUCCEED WITH MY QUESTBRIDGE MATCH AND GATES, UH, FOUNDATION FOR RIDE SCHOLARSHIPS. 
          THANKS TO MY COUNSELOR AND MY AND HARMONIES HELP, I WAS ABLE TO BECOME A FINALIST FOR BOTH OUR LEOS CROP AND KEY CLUB ORGANIZATIONS, HELP OUT THE COMMUNITY AROUND US. 
          I PERSONALLY VOLUNTEERED WITH THE LEOS CLUB AT HELPING THE INNOVATION CAMPUS ACROSS FROM US WITH THEIR FIELD DAY AND MAKING SURE THE KIDS HAD AS MUCH FUN AS POSSIBLE. 
          THESE VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DONE, UM, COUNTLESS ACTS FOR OUR COMMUNITIES, SUCH AS AIDING LOCAL DOG SHELTERS AND INVITING TO CHILDREN WITH CANCER AT NEARBY HOSPITALS. 
          AS PRESIDENT OF THE STUDENT COUNCIL, WE ORGANIZED EVENTS AND FUNDRAISERS FOR THE PEOPLE OF HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE TO ENJOY TOGETHER. 
          THE STUDENT BODY CAME TOGETHER TO PULL OFF AN EXCELLENT AND SUCCESSFUL HOMECOMING DANCE, A WORLD CULTURE FESTIVAL WE CALLED HARMONY AROUND THE WORLD AND OUR BIG SPRING FESTIVAL. 
          WE ORGANIZE THESE EVENTS BECAUSE WE WANT OUR STUDENTS AND TEACHERS TO ENJOY THEIR TIME AT THE SCHOOL AND SPEND MORE TIME TOGETHER, ENJOYING FUN ACTIVITIES, BUT IN THE FULL SCOPE OF THINGS, WE JOIN HARMONY FOR THE MANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR FUTURE AND SUCCESS STORY. 
          THEY DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE FOR TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY AND HELP THE SUCCESS AND HELP THE STUDENTS IN THEIR PATH TOWARDS SUCCESS. 
          WITHOUT HARMONY'S HELP, I LIKELY NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS I HAVE. 
          AND FOR THAT, I'M GRATEFUL TO THEM. 
          I LIKELY WOULD NOT HAVE FOUND THE QUESTBRIDGE MATCH NOR THE GATES SCHOLARSHIP WITHOUT THEIR GUIDANCE AND MENTORSHIP. 
          HARMONY HELPS THEIR STUDENTS EVEN AFTER THEIR TIME IN SCHOOL WITH THEIR ALUMNI PROGRAMS, GIVING THEM GUIDANCE, SUCCESS COACHES, AND STAYING IN TOUCH WITH THEM FOR WHEREVER THEY'RE HEADED. 
          HARMONY IS A BEACON OF LIFE FOR ALL. 
          WITH SO MUCH THEY'VE DONE FOR ME, THEIR STUDENTS AND THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE IS A PLACE I'M GRATEFUL FOR AND THE SCHOOL I WANT TO BE IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS ARI LOPEZ AND I AM A HARMONY ALUMNI AND CURRENT STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS ARLINGTON. 
          AND I'M HERE TO SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR, UH, HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE DALLAS ON ONE, ON A ONE 20, UH, CAMP WISDOM ROAD. 
          AND ONE THING I APPRECIATE ABOUT HARMONY IS THE, THE FACT THAT THEY, UH, CONTINUE TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR ALUMNIS AFTER THEY GRADUATE. 
          UM, THE, THE ALUMNI PROGRAM AT HARMONY IS WHAT IS WHAT MAKES ME FEEL, UH, WHAT MAKE ME FEEL WELCOME AT UNIVERSITY. 
          AND, AND 
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IT MAKES ME, UH, FEEL LIKE I'M A PART OF A COMMUNITY. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE HARD WORK THAT HARMONY PUTS TO ENSURE THAT EVERY SENIOR, UH, IS WELL PREPARED FOR COLLEGE. 
          THEY WORK, THEY ENSURE THAT EVERY SENIOR GETS ACCEPTED INTO A FOUR YEAR COLLEGE. 
          UM, THEY ENSURE EVERY EVERYONE HAS FINANCIAL AID AND, AND HELPS, HELPS 'EM, UH, CHOOSE A CAREER PATH. 
          ALL, ALL IN ALL HARMONY CHOOSES, UM, CHOOSES THAT EVERY STUDENT HAS A GREAT CAREER AHEAD OF 'EM. 
          AND I, I WISH, AND THEY WISH THE BEST FOR ALL OF THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HELLO EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME'S COURTNEY MARE, AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE DALLAS, LOCATED ON 81 20 WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD DA ON, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 9. 
          I FIRST CAME TO HARMONY SCHOOLS IN 2015 AS AN ELEMENTARY STUDENT. 
          NOW I'M A RISING SENIOR IN THE FALL, ATTENDING HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE STATUS. 
          FOR ALMOST A YEAR, I SPENT WORKING IN A HIGH SCHOOL SCIENCE CLASSROOM, MAKESHIFT LAB, LEARNING UNDER A SCIENTIST, AND WORKING IN A FAST-PACED ENVIRONMENT. 
          HARMONY TO ME MEANS SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, AND MATH. 
          I LOVE HOW THE SCHOOL IN, UH, VALUES STEM EDUCATION, AND ITS FASCINATING TO SEE HOW THE SCHOOL CURRICULUM INTEGRATES THESE CORE DISCIPLINES TO FOSTER A VIBRANT LEARNING EXPERIENCE. 
          I'VE WON MANY AWARDS IN MATH AND SCIENCE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF HARMONY. 
          THROUGH HARMONY, I WAS ABLE TO HAVE THIS AMAZING RESEARCH OPPORTUNITY OFFERED TO ME FOR FREE. 
          IT WAS ALSO WHEN I REALIZED MY PASSION FOR THE BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES. 
          ANOTHER EXPERIENCE OF MINE IS WHEN MY AP BIOLOGY CLASS VISITED A SCIENCE LABORATORY FOR A FIELD TRIP. 
          SLIPPING ON HER, SLIPPING ON HER COATS, WALKING IN THE LAB, GREETED BY THE BRIGHT FLUORESCENT LIGHTS. 
          IT FELT LIKE I WAS GETTING A SNEAK PEEK AT WHAT MY FUTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND IT FELT LIKE HOME HARMONY TO ME IS MORE THAN JUST A SCHOOL. 
          HARMONY MEANS FRIENDSHIP, FAMILY, AND FELLOWSHIP. 
          MY HARMONY SCHOOL IS QUITE SMALL AND EVERYONE KNOWS EACH OTHER. 
          SO THIS HAS CULTIVATED, CULTIVATED A VERY CLOSE KNIT COMMUNITY FOR ME AND MY PEERS. 
          HARMONY HAS SHAPED ME TO BE BOLD AND VICIOUS AND PASSIONATE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          HELLO AGAIN. 
          MY NAME IS REBECCA MURRAY, AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          UM, ADDRESS 81 20 WEST CAMP WISDOM 7 5 2 4 9. 
          I'VE WORKED FOR HARMONY FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS IN THE NORTH TEXAS DISTRICT. 
          UM, OUR HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS A CHARTER SCHOOL NETWORK BASED IN TEXAS. 
          OUR SYSTEM IS GOVERNED BY THE TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY. 
          IT'S TUITION FREE AND IS SERVING OVER 41,000 STUDENTS IN PRE-K TO GRADE 12. 
          SUPPORTED BY 5,000 STAFF MEMBERS AT 65 CAMPUSES. 
          FOUNDED IN 2000 HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS STARTED ITS JOURNEY IN HOUSTON AND HAS SINCE EXPANDED TO ALL MAJOR METRO AREAS AND LARGER SUBURBS. 
          HARMONY'S MISSION IS CLEAR TO PREPARE EVERY STUDENT FOR COLLEGE A CAREER AND ULTIMATELY SUCCESS. 
          THE MISSION IS REALIZED THROUGH TRULY DEDICATED STAFF AND TEACHERS PROVIDING A CARING AND COLLABORATIVE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT. 
          A STUDENT-CENTERED EDUCATIONAL APPROACH, INTEGRATED CHARACTER EDUCATION, HIGH EXPECTATIONS, AND A STRONG EMPHASIS ON STEM, SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, AND MATH. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM A FEW OF OUR, UM, STUDENTS ALREADY. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING US DO THAT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE OTHER MEMBERS FROM OUR FAMILY, TEACHERS, ADMINISTRATORS, COUNSELORS, PARENTS, AND WE WANT YOU TO HEAR HOW HARMONY HAS IMPACTED THEIR LIVES AND THE VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE FEEL YOU NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TO WE'D LIKE TO EXPRESS TODAY. 
          UM, WE'RE PROUD OF OUR SCHOLARS, OUR SUCCESSFUL ALUMNI, OUR TEAM, AND OUR OUTCOMES. 
          WE'RE HERE TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND CITY PLAN COMMISSIONERS OUR COMMITMENT TO EXPEDITE AND REMEDY CONCERNS SO THAT THE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING FOR 575 STUDENTS WITHIN THE WALLS OF THIS CAMPUS ARE VALUED AND SECURED. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK WITH YOU ALL TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          IT'S LESS SCARY FROM UP THERE. 
          UM, SO MY NAME IS AMANI MOMI, AND, UH, I'VE BEEN WITH HARMONY FOR NINE YEARS. 
          GOING INTO MY 10TH YEAR, I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF HARMONY SCHOOL, UM, HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE IN DALLAS. 
          UM, MY FRIENDS HERE AND COLLEAGUES, THEY WILL HAVE THE DATA ON NUMBERS. 
          UM, BUT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND HOW THE SCHOOL POSITIVELY 
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IMPACT OUR STUDENTS. 
          UM, I WORK AS THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, COORDINATOR AT THE DALLAS, UM, DISTRICT OFFICE. 
          AND I WORK CLOSELY WITH THE STAFF AT THE SCHOOL, DR. 
          PAM, SHE WILL TESTIMONY TO THAT. 
          AND ALSO I WORK WITH COMPANIES, CORPORATIONS, UH, PROFIT NON-PROFITS ORGANIZATIONS. 
          BUT WE TAKE PRIDE IN THE INVOLVEMENT OF OUR PARENTS, AND ESPECIALLY THE, THE PARENTS AND FAMILIES WHO LIVE AROUND THE SCHOOL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A COMMON GOAL. 
          AND OUR COMMON GOAL IS TO CREATE A SAFE, HEALTHY, AND NURTURING ENVIRONMENT THAT FOSTER BOTH ACADEMIC SUCCESS AND PERSONAL GROWTH. 
          THIS GOAL CAN BE ACHIEVED WITH THE CORPORATION AND SUPPORT FROM NOT ONLY HARMONY AND HARMONY STAFF, BUT ALSO FROM THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. 
          I HAVE A LOT OF STORIES THAT WILL SHOW HOW THE SCHOOL CONTRIBUTES TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT ONE, BUT THERE'S ONE THAT ALSO, LIKE WE STILL TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY THAT HOW THE PARENTS APPRECIATED WHAT HARMONY DID. 
          DURING THE PANDEMIC OF COVID-19, THE SCHOOL PROVIDED AND OFFERED FREE LUNCHES TO OUR STUDENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES. 
          NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ALSO OPEN TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. 
          THIS INITIATIVE SERVED TO SUPPORT THAT THOSE MOST IN NEED, DEMONSTRATING OUR COMMITMENT TO SERVING THE BROADER COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THOSE WITHIN OUR SCHOOL. 
          I'M GONNA CONCLUDE BY SAYING WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF CONTINUING THESE EFFORTS. 
          HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE IS DEDICATED TO MAKING DALLAS COUNTY A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL. 
          NOT JUST THE STUDENTS, NOT JUST THE STAFF. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY AND TIRELESSLY TO SUPPORT OUR STUDENTS AND COMMUNITY WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THAT CAMPUS. 
          FOR SOME PEOPLE IT'S A SCHOOL BUILDING, BUT FOR US, IT'S HOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND STAYING REALLY LATE TO HEAR OUR SUPPORT FOR OUR SCHOOL. 
          MY NAME IS DR. 
          PAM PERMA HANSON. 
          I'M A HIGH SCHOOL COUNSELOR AND TESTING COORDINATOR AT THE HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE IN DALLAS AT 81 20 WEST CAMPUS WISDOM ROAD IN DALLAS. 
          I'M HERE ALONG WITH MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES AND ALSO STUDENTS HERE TO SHOW OUR STRONG SUPPORT TO OUR SCHOOL. 
          I'M HERE TO SHARE OUR STORY ON HOW WE HAVE BUILT OUR ECOSYSTEM PARTNERS AND PROVIDING TO PROVIDE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR STUDENTS TO EXCEL WHILE THEY ARE AT OLD SCHOOL AND ALSO AFTER THEY GRADUATE. 
          WE ARE ONE OF THE EIGHT SCHOOLS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES TO BE NAMED AS THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR, REALIZING THE DEAN, THE DREAM NFL SCHOOL OF CHOICE. 
          THIS WONDERFUL SERVICE, LEARNING AND VOLUNTEER SERVICES THAT OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS ESTABLISHED IS THE ROOT FOR OUR SELECTION. 
          OUR DEDICATION IN DEVELOPING OUR COLLEGE AND CAREER READINESS HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IN WHICH OUR CAMPUS HAS BEEN SELECTED TO ADVANCE AS A SEMI-FINALIST FOR THE CAREER Z CHALLENGE. 
          THIS HAS PAVED WAY FOR OUR STUDENTS TO EARN INDUSTRIAL BASED CERTIFICATION IN THE FIELD OF BIOMEDICAL SCIENCE, GRAPHIC DESIGN, AND COMPUTER SCIENCE. 
          THIS IS A GREAT STEP TO IMPROVE THE ECONOMIC MOBILITY OF OUR STUDENTS. 
          AS YOU HAVE ALREADY KNOWN, PROBABLY THAT ALMOST 70% OF OUR STUDENT POPULATION AT THE HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE IN DALLAS ARE FROM ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED POPULATION. 
          THIS IS CERTAINLY ALIGNED WITH THE TEXAS 60 BY 30, WHERE WE STRIVE FOR 60% OF THE 25 TO 34-YEAR-OLD TEXAN POPULATION TO HOLD A CERTIFICATE OR DEGREE BY 2030. 
          IN THE RECENT YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING OUR ECOSYSTEM PARTNERS WHO HAVE GRACIOUSLY OFFERED MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR STUDENTS IN STEM BASED CAREERS. 
          WE HAVE ESTABLISHED STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOCIAL INNOVATION TEAMS AT MCKESSON. 
          IT'S A FORTUNE NINE HEALTHCARE COMPANY, AS WELL AS DATA CONSULTANCY SERVICES, ONE OF THE LARGEST INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY COMPANY. 
          THESE PARTNERSHIPS PROVIDE THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR SCHOLARS TO EXPERIENCE AND EXPLORE CAREER OPTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE NOT HAVE THOUGHT IN WITH IS WITHIN THEIR REACH. 
          HANDS-ON ONSITE EXPERIENCES BY UT DALLAS RESEARCH AND INNOVATION DEPARTMENT COLLABORATION, AS WELL AS PEGA'S LAB, WHICH, UH, COURTNEY JUST HAPPENED TO MENTION, HAS MADE OUR STUDENTS TO RETHINK OF THE OPTIONS AND SET A HIGHER BAR. 
          WE ARE REALLY HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS TO OUR STUDENTS AND KEEP BUILDING OUR SCHOLARS FOR A BETTER FUTURE. 
          IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD, SO PLEASE JOIN US TO SUPPORT AND RAISE OUR FUTURE LEADERS. 
          I THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME'S AMY MARASHI AND I SUPPORT HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          OUR ADDRESS IS 81 20 WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 9. 
          I HAVE WORKED AT HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE FROM AUGUST, 2013 TO AUGUST OF 2020. 
          UM, AND NOW I CURRENTLY WORK AT THE DISTRICT OFFICE IN THE COLLEGE AND CAREER DEPARTMENT. 
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UM, I HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WITNESSING THE REMARKABLE JOURNEY OF OUR STUDENTS FIRSTHAND AND MY, IN MY TIME AT HARMONY, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WITNESS THE FIRST SENIOR GRADUATION CLASS OF 2015. 
          EACH YEAR, WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 70 SENIORS GRADUATING. 
          THESE GRADUATES NOT ONLY RECEIVE THEIR HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, BUT ALSO, UM, BUT THEY ALSO GIVE BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITIES THROUGH VOLUNTEER WORK. 
          EVERY STUDENT THAT GRADUATES IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 100 VOLUNTEER HOURS FROM A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OF THE STUDENTS CHOOSING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, NOT INCLUDING ANY ADDITIONAL HOURS THAT MAY BE REQUIRED. 
          IF THEY'RE INVOLVED IN ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THE KEY CLUB STUDENT COUNCIL OR NATIONAL HONOR SOCIETY, AT MINIMUM, THAT IS ABOUT 700 VOLUNTEER HOURS PER YEAR. 
          IF YOU APPLY THIS MINIMUM AVERAGE OF VOLUNTEER HOURS WITH THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF GRADUATES FROM 2015 TO 2024, THAT'S ABOUT 6,300 VOLUNTEER HOURS AT MINIMUM. 
          THAT HAS HAD A DIRECT IMPACT WITHIN OUR, WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THESE STUDENTS ARE NOT JUST GRADUATING, THEY'RE BECOMING RESPONSIBLE, ENGAGED CITIZENS WHO ARE ACTIVELY MAKING A DIFFERENCE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHAT SETS HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS APART IS OUR UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO PREPARING STUDENTS NOT JUST FOR HIGH SCHOOL, BUT FOR COLLEGE AND BEYOND. 
          WE REQUIRE A FOUR YEAR ACCEPTANCE LETTER FOR GRADUATION, ENSURING THAT OUR STUDENTS HAVE A CLEAR PATH FORWARD, AND WHILE THEY'RE FREE TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN OWN PATH, WE PROVIDE ONGOING SUPPORT TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE CHALLENGES, UM, OF HIGHER EDUCATION. 
          THIS SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY, IS CRUCIAL FOR OUR FIRST GENERATION COLLEGE STUDENTS, SOME OF WHOM ARE BREAKING BARRIERS IN ACHIEVING SUCCESS AT TOP INSTITUTIONS LIKE JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY, BROWN UNIVERSITY, AND HARVARD UNIVERSITY, AS WELL AS PUBLIC TEXAS COLLEGES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE. 
          ONE STORY I'D LIKE TO SHARE IS A STUDENT THAT GRADUATED IN 2016. 
          HE WAS AN AVERAGE STUDENT ACADEMICALLY MAKING A'S BS, C'S, AND TYPICALLY DID NOT TAKE HIGHER LEVEL COURSEWORK. 
          HE WAS NERVOUS THAT HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO COLLEGE BECAUSE HIS PARENTS WERE UNDOCUMENTED AT THAT TIME, AND NO ONE HAS GONE TO, TO COLLEGE IN HIS FAMILY. 
          I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT STUDENT WENT BEYOND THE BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND HE WILL BE GRADUATING WITH A DEGREE IN LAW THIS MONTH. 
          AS WE REFLECT ON THESE ACHIEVEMENTS, LET US NOT FORGET THE IMPORTANCE OF INVESTING IN EDUCATION AND SUPPORTING INSTITUTIONS LIKE HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          TOGETHER WE CAN CONTINUE TO EMPOWER STUDENTS TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AND MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME IS AMIN EL AND I AM, UH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND, UH, EXPANSION DEPARTMENT OUT OF CENTRAL OFFICE. 
          AND I AM HERE TO JUST SPEAK ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST LEARNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES THAT CARL SPOKE ABOUT, AND, UH, TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE AND TO ALSO, UH, STATE THAT AT THIS POINT WE BELIEVE THAT CURRENT SUP IS DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO. 
          WHEN THIS, UH, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE MET WITH, WHEN, WHEN WE LEARNED ABOUT THESE ISSUES, WE MET WITH COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE LEARNED ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT THEY MENTIONED, WHICH WAS AT THAT TIME THE FENCE AND THE GATES AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. 
          WELL, IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE EXPRESSED OUR COMMITMENT TO GETTING THESE THINGS DONE, WHICH WAS IN FACT DONE. 
          BUT AT THAT TIME, WE HAD A MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          WE THOUGHT THAT ALL WE NEEDED IS THE CONTRACTOR AND THE FUNDING, WHICH WAS SECURED WITHIN FEW WEEKS AFTER THAT MEETING. 
          BUT LATER, YOU KNOW, LITTLE DID WE KNOW IS THAT THERE WERE MORE, MORE TO THAT. 
          THERE WAS A, A WHOLE SCOPE OF WORK THAT NEEDED TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF, IN ORDER FOR US TO, TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, THE DEFENSE AND THE GATES TO THE CITY OF, UH, DALLAS CODE. 
          AND THAT LED TO MANY THINGS, TO SO MANY UNFORESEEN, UH, EVENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, HAPPENED AFTERWARDS, INCLUDING THE ISSUE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE PERMITTING SYSTEM WAS, WAS DOWN. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO PROGRESS TO BE MADE. 
          AND SO LUCKILY WE GOT OUR PERMIT FINALLY FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. 
          BUT LIKE CARL MENTIONED, UH, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS A GOOD TIME FOR THE SCHOOL TO START BUILDING A FENCE OR MAKING THE GATES INACCESSIBLE, ESPECIALLY BEING ON CAMPUS WITH THEM. 
          AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT STREET IS. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD ADD MORE TO THE ISSUE. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE COMMITTED TO GETTING THIS WORK DONE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, A MONTH AFTER SCHOOL IS OUT, WHICH WAS, WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. 
          AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS THE RETAINING WALL. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE LEARNED ABOUT THAT ISSUE? WE HAD TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH A GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS AND CONSULTANTS TO LOOK INTO IT. 
          WE HIRED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENTAL 
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ENGINEERS, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS TO LOOK INTO THE ISSUE, UNDERSTAND REALLY HOW WE CAN SUBSTANTIALLY FIX THE MATTER. 
          SO WE CAME UP WITH, WITH A PLAN, YOU KNOW, WITH A SUSTAINABLE PLAN, WHICH IS DOING THIS PROJECT IN PHASES. 
          IT'S GONNA BE DONE IN, IN FIVE PHASES, ATTACKING THE MOST CRUCIAL PART OF IT. 
          AND THAT CONSTRUCTION HAS ALREADY STARTED AS WE SPEAK. 
          AND THE FIRST PHASE WILL BE DONE IN TWO MONTHS. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PHASES FOLLOW, UH, I DON'T WANT TO GO IN DEPTH. 
          I KNOW THAT WE IN DEPTH INTO THE, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINING THE TIMELINE OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE, UH, FOR A LONG TIME AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT THIS TO BE OVER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY THIS HARMONY IS WORKING ON ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          WE ARE NOT IGNORING THEM. 
          THERE'S, YOU WOULDN'T FIND ANY SIGN OF, OF NEGLECT FROM HARMONY'S SIDE. 
          AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT SP IS DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO. 
          UH, IF WE WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT AMENDING SP SURE. 
          BUT GIVE US THE TIME TO WORK ON WHAT WE ARE DOING. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, WE'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SHOW MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE PROGRESS. 
          AND THEN, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IF YOU STILL THINK THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. 
          ACTUALLY, WE CAN HAVE ONE. 
          ARE THERE FOLKS ONLINE? OKAY. 
          GEORGE, MR. OKAY. 
          UH, HELLO. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS, AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH HARMONY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE PAST 11 YEARS AND TWO YEARS IN THIS CAMPUS AT HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE, AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE AT 81 20 CAMP WISDOM DRIVE. 
          I WORK AS A HIGH SCHOOL COUNSELOR AND ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR, AND I'M ALSO HERE TODAY AS A HARMONY PARENT, AS WELL AS THE DALLAS RESIDENT. 
          AND I PARTICULARLY RESIDE IN THE SCHOOL. 
          UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HARMONY SCHOOL OF EXCELLENCE IS NOT JUST AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. 
          IT'S A BEACON OF HOPE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR STUDENTS. 
          WITH 70% OF OUR STUDENT BODY COMING FROM A LOW INCOME BACKGROUND AND BEING FIRST GENERATION COLLEGE STUDENTS, WE UNDERSTAND THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES THEY FACE. 
          THAT'S WHY OUR SCHOOL PLACES A STRONG EMPHASIS ON PROVIDING COMPREHENSIVE SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE THROUGHOUT THE COLLEGE APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          ALL OF OUR STUDENTS RECEIVE PERSONALIZED COUNSELING AT LEAST ONCE EVERY QUARTER. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS A, UH, OUR BIG ADVANTAGE BEING A SMALL SCHOOL. 
          WE KNOW EACH STUDENT BY NAME, BY FACE, AND WE'RE ABLE TO MEET ALL OF OUR, THEIR NEEDS. 
          NOT ONLY DO WE SUPPORT OUR CURRENT STUDENTS, BUT WE'RE IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH OUR ALUMNI, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR STUDENTS SUCCEED AFTER GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL. 
          AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST TOUCH BASE ABOUT ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS, I THINK, WHICH MAKES US A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM OTHER DISTRICT SCHOOLS. 
          WE HAVE A HOME VISIT PROGRAM, UH, WHICH, UH, OUR STAFF GO AND MEET OUR FAMILIES AT THEIR HOMES OR ONLINE. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR STUDENTS AND ENGAGE, UH, THE PARENTS AS WELL. 
          AT HARMONY, WE BELIEVE IN EMPOWERING OUR STUDENTS TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF POVERTY THROUGH EDUCATION, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO HELPING THEM REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. 
          AND I WANT TO FINISH WITH A FAMOUS QUOTE FROM VICTOR HUGO, WHICH STATES, HE WHO OPENS A SCHOOL DOOR CLOSES THE PRISON. 
          BY INVESTING IN EDUCATION, WE CREATE A SOCIETY THAT IS LESS PRONE TO CRIME. 
          AND BY FOCUSING ON EDUCATION, WE CAN OPEN DOORS TO BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR ALL OUR KIDS. 
          AND AS WE ALL KNOW, IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD, AND LET'S GET TOGETHER AND DO THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY OF OUR OTHER SPEAKERS ONLINE, GEORGE? NO. 
          OR IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS ELLEN TAFT. 
          I LIVE AT 79 24 GLEN WAY DRIVE DALLAS. 
          AND THE REASON THAT, OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE WAVING ME OFF. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, THE REASON THAT THE, WE'RE WE, I 
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HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH YOU, I'VE MET WITH YOU BEFORE TWO YEARS AGO. 
          I HAVE MET WITH MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS SINCE THEN, AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE ASKED REPETITIVELY TO HAVE THE SCHOOLS CAMPUS LOOKED AT BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY VIOLATIONS. 
          THE GYM BUILDING HAS NOW SEPARATED SIX INCHES. 
          IT'S SLIDING DOWN THE HILL. 
          AND IN MY REPORT THAT YOU GOT SEVERAL, LIKE A COUPLE DAYS AGO, I HAD PICTURES OF IT SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT THE SCHOOL IS SAYING THAT IT'S NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT IN RETAINING CHAMBERS OR DRAINAGE OR WHATEVER TO STOP THIS HILL FROM SLIDING. 
          AND THE HILL IS SLIDING BECAUSE IT'S MADE OF EAGLE FORT SHALE, WHICH IS DESIGNED BY NATURE TO SLIDE. 
          AND IF YOU DON'T PUT THINGS IN TO STOP IT, IT'S GONNA KEEP SLIDING. 
          SO IGNORING IT AND JUST SAYING IT'LL GO AWAY, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          THEY ALSO HAD 12 YEARS, WELL, ACTUALLY I NEGOTIATED WITH THEM IN 2009 FOR THEIR SUP, AND THEY AGREED TO PUT IN THE FENCE SPEECH AROUND THE SCHOOL. 
          WE AGREED TO THAT. 
          THEY STILL HAVE NOT PUT THAT FENCE UP. 
          YES, THEY JUST GOT A PERMIT, BUT IT'S STILL 12 YEARS LATER, IT'S STILL NOT THERE. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE FENCE DIDN'T GO BETWEEN THE SCHOOL AND THE PARK. 
          AND THE PARK PARK. 
          THE EMER LAKE PARK WAS DESIGNED TO NOT HAVE HUMAN BEINGS IN IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ACCESS POINT FOR THE PARK DEPARTMENT TO GET CARS IN TO CLEAN THE PARK OR TO PROTECT THE PARK. 
          SO THE VANDALS TOOK OVER, AND I INCLUDED IN MY REPORT PICTURES OF THAT FOR YOU. 
          WE GOT VOLUNTEERS TWO YEARS AGO. 
          WE HAULED OUT 12 TRUCKLOADS OF VANDALIZED ITEMS. AND THERE'S EVERYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE FOR THE ABSOLUTE WORST TO TABLES AND CHAIRS AND TENTS AND MATTRESSES AND PARAPHERNALIA. 
          AND THEY STOLE PARK BENCHES AND CHAIRS AND TABLES FROM THE SCHOOL, DRAGGED THEM DOWN AND IN. 
          BUT THEN THEY STARTED BUILDING FIRES. 
          IF THAT FIRE HAD GOTTEN OUTTA CONTROL DURING OUR DROUGHT, THERE IS NO WAY, NO HUMANLY POSSIBLE WAY FOR A FIRE TRUCK TO GET INTO THE PARK UNTIL IT CAUGHT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE ON FIRE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR CAMPUS. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR. 
          ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER HARBERT? YES. 
          UM, THE GENTLEMAN WHO, YES. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING, SIR. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING. 
          CAN YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MEAN YOU HAVE MET BEFORE AND WALKED YOUR CAMPUS? ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          SORRY, I COULDN'T TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE EVENT. 
          NO, IT'S OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE JUST THREE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH THE QUESTION AND ANSWERING PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          YES SIR. 
          WE MET. 
          UM, SO IN, IN DOING THAT, WE, WE IDENTIFIED A LOT OF YES. 
          A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN AWARE RAISED, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FENCE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WR IRON, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, A WILDFLOWER AREA AND SHORTENING IT, KEEPING IT UP CAKE. 
          A LOT OF THOSE THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN IN PLACE, UH, HAPPENED. 
          CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THOSE ISSUES THAT I MET WITH YOU TWO WEEKS BEFORE SCHOOL START IN AUGUST? WHY THOSE THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN ADDRESSED? WELL, I I THINK THAT THE ONLY ITEM THAT HAS NOT BEEN THEN DONE EVER SINCE WAS RELATED TO DEFENSE SCOPE OF WORK. 
          AND THAT WAS WHAT, OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU REMEMBER THAT THERE WERE, UM, TILES FALLING FROM YOUR BUILDING? YES, THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR US. 
          THOSE WERE TAKEN DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE WERE TAKEN DOWN. 
          YES. 
          SO THEY WERE TAKEN DOWN, BUT HAVE THE OTHER TILES BEEN SECURED SO THEY'RE NOT FALLING? NO. 
          WHAT, WHAT WE ADVISED OUR TEAM IS TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A FOUNDATION ISSUE. 
          AND SO THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE A HAZARD. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING 'EM DOWN FROM THE AREAS WHERE THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, HAS, YOU KNOW, FALL ON STUDENTS OR, OR WHOMEVER IS PASSING BY THE CAMPUS. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ACTION THAT WE TOOK. 
          OKAY. 
          ON YOUR CAMPUS, THERE WERE ALSO SOME ABANDONED AREAS THAT WEREN'T BEING USED. 
          THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED OR, UH, RESTORED, INCLUDING SOME BENCHES WITH HOLES AND, UM, OTHER AREAS. 
          THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN REPAIRED, CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHERE WE AT NOW IS WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PLAN. 
          YOU GUYS SAID THAT THE TRAFFIC PLAN WAS THAT WAY BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION? NO, I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC, BUT THE ORIGINAL ISSUES WERE STUDENTS BEING PICKED UP FROM CAMP WITH THEM. 
          THERE WERE STUDENTS WALKING. 
          UH, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO PUT A PLAN TO IDENTIFY STUDENTS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO WALK TO THEIR HOMES FROM THE ONES THAT ARE NOT. 
          SO THERE WAS A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT. 
          I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT OUR TRAFFIC AS WE SPEAK IS PERFECT. 
          THERE ARE ISSUES WITH IT, BUT WE ARE CON, CONTINUALLY WORKING WITH, UM, WITH LAMBETH, UH, TO FIND, UH, A SOLUTION. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, EVEN CONSIDERING BUILDING A DECELERATION LANE ON CAMPUS WISDOM. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHICH IS THE, THE MOST OPTIMUM WAY TO, TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. 
          AND ONCE WE COME 
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UP WITH A SOLUTION, WE'LL PRESENT IT TO YOU AS A, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT WE ARE TIED TO THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH IS PRETTY, PRETTY, YOU KNOW, OUTDATED AT THIS POINT. 
          IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS AGO. 
          SO WE ARE WORKING ON A REVISION, FINDING A PLAN THAT WOULD WORK AND THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE ALL, ALL TRAFFIC QUEUE AND, AND KEEP ALL THE, ALL THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU, WHEN WE MET, YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH SUBMITTING TRAFFIC PLANS FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          YES. 
          UM, ONE WAS SUBMITTED THE YEAR BEFORE WE MET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT ONE HADN'T BEEN SUBMITTED IN 2023. 
          YES. 
          BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE REPORT SHOULD SHOW THAT ALL CARS ARE WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          THAT GOAL HAS NOT BEEN ACHIEVED. 
          SO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER CANNOT SUBMIT A PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE ANOMALIES. 
          BUT THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN 2022 HAD ANOMALIES AND THE TMP ENGINEER ADDRESSED THOSE ANOMALIES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WITH WAYS THAT YOU GUYS CAN, CAN DO IT, ADDING SOMEONE AT THE PARKING LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES, I MEAN, SOME ITEMS THERE THAT THE PLAN WON'T WORK, BUT IF YOU ADD A PERSON OR ADD A GUARD, RIGHT. 
          THOSE THINGS, IN MY EXPERIENCE AND MY COUNCIL MEMBER'S EXPERIENCES AREN'T HAPPENING ON OUR DRIVE-BYS. 
          WELL, PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THEORY WE ARE ASSUMING THAT WE WILL HAVE A POLICE OFFICER TO HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS A, A CHALLENGE CURRENTLY TO OUR DISTRICT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FIND OFF-DUTY OFFICERS TO COME IN AND, UH, AND HELP. 
          BUT WE ARE HEARING THIS ISSUE. 
          I MEAN, WE OVERSEE PROPERTIES ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NATIONWIDE. 
          THERE'S JUST, UH, NOT AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, POLICE OFFICERS TO HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SCHOOL TRAFFIC. 
          SO YOU HAVE, SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE, BUT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IT, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CONTINUALLY COMMUNICATING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO POINT US TO, YOU KNOW, SOME STAFF MEMBERS THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE COMMITTED TO HELPING OUR SCHOOLS JUST DURING THE, THE PICKUP AND, AND DROP OFF TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, HAS A TRAFFIC PLAN BEEN SUBMITTED FOR 2023 OR 2024? NO, SIR. 
          BECAUSE IT'S AN, UH, IT'S ONGOING, UH, FURTHER STUDY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T WANT TO FIX THE FENCE 'CAUSE THE STUDENTS ARE IN SCHOOL, BUT AREN'T THERE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING ON THE RETAINING WALLS RIGHT NOW? YES, BUT THAT COULD BE MITIGATED IF WE DO START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FENCE, OUR GATES WOULD NOT BE, I MEAN, THE SCHOOL COULD NOT SURVIVE LITERALLY LIKE A WEEK WITH THE GATES BEING INACCESSIBLE TO, TO OUR PARENTS, IT WOULD CAUSE A CHAOS. 
          AND SO WE, WE WERE TRYING TO GET THIS DONE OVER THE SPRING BREAK, BUT THAT CHANGE ORDER, WHICH WAS CAUSED BY, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL SCOPE OF WORK FROM, FROM THE CITY REVIEWS HAD INCREASED OUR BUDGET TREMENDOUSLY. 
          SO WE HAD TO GO BACK TO OUR BOARD TO APPROVE THAT AMOUNT. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $200,000 EXTRA, UH, FUNDING THAT'S NEEDED TO, TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO AWARD THE CONTRACT AS IT IS. 
          AND SO WE COULDN'T CATCH THAT, YOU KNOW, WEEK OF SPRING BREAK TO GET AT LEAST WORK ON THE GATES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THE NEXT MOST SUITABLE TIME IS RIGHT AFTER THE SCHOOL IS OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE WERE, THERE WERE ISSUES WITH PERMITTING FROM THE PERMITTING SIDE, BUT IS IT ALSO SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU GUYS SUBMITTED SOME WRONG DOCUMENTATIONS FOR THE PERMITS ON A, LIKE AN OLD, UM, PLATING DOCUMENT THAT DIDN'T, DIDN'T SHOW CORRECTLY? NO. 
          SO, SO WHEN WE FIRST MET, I THINK, UH, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WITH COMMISSIONER BLAIR, WE WERE TOLD TO KIND OF DESIGN THE FENCE IN COORDINATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          BUT THEN WHEN WE SUBMITTED THAT PLAN TO THE CITY, THEY TOLD US NO, WELL, THIS FENCE DOES NOT, IS DOES NOT MATCH YOUR SITE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE LITERALLY HAD, WE WERE TOLD TO JUST NOW WORK WITH THE CITY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD A FENCE THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY CODE. 
          SO THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE PLAN DIDN'T CHANGE. 
          THE SITE PLAN DID NOT CHANGE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT OUR MEETING, I COULD HAVE SWORN WE HAD A LOAN CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT SITE PLANS AND THAT IT WAS AN ISSUE, BUT WE WON'T, I WON'T, UM, BELITTLE THAT POINT. 
          THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          UM, AND THE NEW FENCE IS BEING BUILT. 
          HAS THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE, UM, BEEN TAKEN CARE OF WITH THIS NEW PERMIT? ABSOLUTELY, YES. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID NOT KNOW OF. 
          AND THEY WERE REFLECTED ON THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEW FENCE DESIGN THAT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT, BUT YOU, YOU KEEP, YOU SAY THAT YOU WEREN'T AWARE. 
          YOU WEREN'T AWARE, AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A HISTORY OF OVER 12 YEARS OR MORE WORKING WITH YOU EVEN BEFORE THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT. 
          UM, PROMISES WERE MADE THAT NEVER CAME TRUE. 
          SO, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME, ARE YOU NEW TO THE JOB? DO YOU NOT KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE JOB? IS IT IS, CAN YOU GIMME SOME BASIS THERE? WELL, I MEAN, I WASN'T, I WASN'T WORKING WITH HARMONY WHEN THIS FIRST SCP WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, WHEN, WHEN I SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, DENY FACT THAT THERE WERE SOME, UH, UH, 
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YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WERE NOT FOLLOWED EVER SINCE WE GOT THAT SUP. 
          SO WHEN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE, THAT'S WHEN MY, OUR DEPARTMENT GOT INVOLVED THAT WE DISCOVERED AND WE TRIED TO ADDRESS. 
          NOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND WHY THOSE THINGS WERE NOT LOOKED INTO OR WERE NOT FOLLOWED. 
          I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT WHAT I KNOW IS THAT EVER SINCE WE GOT INVOLVED, WE KNOW THAT THERE WERE, UH, THINGS MISSING AND WE HAD, WE LAID OUT A PLAN TO GET 'EM TAKEN CARE OF. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLES, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WERE NOT EVEN AN ORIGINAL SITE PLAN. 
          THEY WERE REFLECTED ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE NEW FENCE DESIGN, WHICH WAS APPROVED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WERE CHANGES ALSO IN, IN THE CITY ORDINANCE AND WHATNOT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THE FENCE, WE WERE TOLD BY THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT THERE ARE SOME VISIBILITY TRIANGLES TO CONSIDER AND MAKE SURE YOU REFLECT ON YOUR DESIGN, WHICH WAS DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ONE OF YOUR ENTRANCES AND EXITS ARE, IT'S, UH, YOU GUYS ARE ON A HILL, SO THERE'S A UPLINE, BUT I'M TOLD THAT A LOT OF THAT LAND IS CITY OF DALLAS LAND THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT FENCING AND GATES ON. 
          HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE CITY TO EITHER, UM, ACQUIRE THAT LAND OR FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO THERE? NO. 
          NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          COMMISSIONER BLA. 
          UM, HI, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? NOW? I MISSED SOME OF WHAT YOU ASKED. 
          SO IF I ASKED DUPLICATE QUESTIONS, PLEASE FORGIVE ME. 
          SO YOU, WERE YOU THERE, HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH HARMONY FOR OVER TWO YEARS? FOR, FOR I'VE BEEN WITH HARMONY FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU WERE THERE WHEN I WORKED WITH MS. TAFT AND THE SCHOOL. 
          SO IT, DO YOU NOT REMEMBER IN ONE OF OUR EARLY MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT THAT SUMMER YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING A PERMIT TO WORK ON THE FENCE? YES, MA'AM. 
          IT'S TAKEN TWO YEARS. 
          TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS FOR YOU TO, FOR THAT YOU JUST GOT THE PERMIT NOW? CLOSE TO TWO YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU JUST GOT THE PERMIT NOW? WE GOT IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE PORTION OF THE, THE FENCE THAT WAS ON THE CITY PROPERTY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WEREN'T, WEREN'T YOU GUYS SUPPOSED TO REMOVE THAT PORTION OFF OF THE CITY PROPERTY? HAS THAT BEEN DONE? RIGHT? WELL, IT, IT IS ON THE CURRENT SCOPE OF WORK. 
          WE, WE, WE FOUND OUT THAT IT, THE GATE WAS ON THERE RIGHT AWAY AND WE HAD TO PUSH IT BACK. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          HAS IT BEEN DONE? WELL, NONE OF THAT WORK HAS STARTED YET. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE PLANNING TO, TO GET THAT DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS SCHOOL YEAR IS OVER. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S WAS WHAT, IF I REMEMBER, WASN'T THAT A PROMISE THAT YOU MADE THE SUMMER? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WE DID, BUT YOU KNOW, WE FOUND OUT LATER ON THAT WE HAD TO CONSIDER SO MANY OTHER FACTORS, INCLUDING THE, THE DESIGN AND HAVING AN ARCHITECT HIRED AND SUBMITTING A, THAT DESIGN TO THE CITY OF, OF DALLAS TO, TO REVIEW AND APPROVE. 
          AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT THAT WHOLE PROCESS TOOK LONGER AND IT'S NOT UNDER OUR CONTROL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, UM, THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          I REMEMBER WHEN WE TALKED, WE SAID THAT WE'RE GONNA YES. 
          FIND THE CONTRACTOR, MEASURE THE PROPERTY AND GET THE FENCE DONE. 
          I WISH IT WAS THAT SIMPLE. 
          IT COULD HAVE GOTTEN DONE THAT, THAT TIME, BUT IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET ME TALK ABOUT THE TMP BECAUSE LET'S, LET'S GO TO THE TMP. 
          IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE, WE DID WAS WE WORKED ON THE TMP DURING THE SUMMER AND WE IMPLEMENTED THAT TMP THAT SEP THAT, THAT AUGUST, SEPTEMBER WHEN SCHOOL STARTED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE, IF IT'S, IF I'M CORRECT, AND WE GAVE, WE WAITED TWO WEEKS TO LET THE SCHOOL GET STARTED, THE PARENTS AND EVERYBODY GET ACCLIMATED CLOSE OFF THE, THE PEOPLE GOING TO THE, THE STREET BEHIND THE SCHOOL AND DOWN THAT, THAT FENCE. 
          AND YOU GUYS, IF DIDN'T YOU GUYS HAVE STAFF AND POLICING TO MONITOR THE TRAFFIC AND DIDN'T EVERYTHING WORK FINE? YES, FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD, AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE, WAS IT NOT TRUE? AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE WERE IN PLACE? THE TMP WORKED WELL, RIGHT? WELL, THE STAFF PART IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND WE HAVE OUR STAFF MEMBERS, UH, MANAGING TRAFFIC. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, I, YOU KNOW, I I MAKE IT A HABIT TO COME TO 
          [08:30:01]
CHECK ON THIS CAMPUS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE ONGOING ISSUE. 
          AND I DO SEE OUR STAFF MEMBERS IN PLACE, UH, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DISMISSAL, UH, OF THE STUDENTS. 
          BUT ONE VERY IMPORTANT, UH, FACTOR THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POLICE OFFICERS TO HELP US. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MANAGE TRAFFIC OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          UM, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL NEED, UH, WELL NO POLICE OFFICERS TO DO SO, AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO, TO CONTRACT ANY. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S TRUE. 
          IT'S, THAT IS NOT TRUE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT YOU DID HIRE POLICE OFFICER TO COME IN AND DO THE WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO MANAGE THE TMP RIGHT. 
          AS PRESCRIBED IN THE, IN THE TMP THAT MS. LAMBETH DID. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING NOW THAT YOU NO, YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE MEANS IN ORDER TO HIRE THE POLICE IN ORDER TO MANAGE THE TMP TRAFFIC? NO, MA'AM. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE JUST, I OR THE TMP THE TRAFFIC PER THE TMP. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE JUST SOME, FINDING SOME DIFFICULTIES FINDING AVAILABLE, UH, OFFICERS TO ACTUALLY HELP US OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA LEAVE IT ALONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M DONE. 
          YOU'RE DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          SORRY. 
          WHAT, UH, A SO WHAT'S NEXT STEPS? IF, IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED THAT WE, DO THEY GET A CHANCE TO BRING THEIR PLAN TO US AT THE NEXT HEARING? YES. 
          SO TODAY IS, YOU ARE JUST AUTHORIZING. 
          SO THE, IF THIS IS HAPPENING TODAY, IT MEANS THAT THE SUP IS UNDER CONSIDERATION WITH STAFF. 
          WE ARE GONNA REVIEW IT INTERNALLY, PUT IT THROUGH NORMAL REZONING REVIEW PROCESS, GOES TO ZONING REVIEW TEAM, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA, WHEN IT'S READY AND WE WORK WITH THEM, SEND COMMENTS ONCE IT'S READY, WE ARE GONNA SCHEDULE IT FOR THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT HE'S ASKED FOR, UM, FOR SOMEONE TO LOOK AT THIS SUP 'CAUSE IT'S OLD, UM, WITH NEW EYES AND THEN COME BACK WITH A PLAN OF ACTION. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT, SOMEONE TOOK MY, UM, IN THE CASE OF THANK YOU. 
          IN THE CASE OF SUP 1739, I MOVE, UH, TO AUTHORIZE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT'S IT, RIGHT? THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HERBERT? I DO YOU SECOND IT? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLA FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES. 
          SO TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, THIS WAS NOT ABOUT THE SCHOOL'S PERFORMANCE. 
          UM, I, THE WORK THAT HARMONY IS DOING IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, THE 500 PLUS STUDENTS THAT THEY'RE SERVING NEEDS THEIR SERVICE. 
          UM, AND I, I AGREE THAT THEY PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, UNDEVELOPED COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS ARE, UH, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS AROUND THEM AND THE STUDENT SAFETY. 
          UH, WE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON FUNDS NOT AVAILABLE. 
          PERMITS ARE PENDING. 
          WE'VE HEARD IT ALL. 
          UM, AND AT THE REALITY, WE JUST WANT TO GET THE SCHOOL UP TO PAR. 
          UM, WE'VE SEEN WORK STARTED SCARED THAT THE WORK WASN'T DIRECTED IN THE RIGHT AREAS AND REALLY WANTED TO BRING EVERYBODY TO THE TABLE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE THAT HARMONY WASN'T MISAPPROPRIATING THE FUNDS, UM, TO THE WRONG AREAS THAT WERE MORE IMPORTANT, UM, OR WHATEVER THEIR PLANS WERE, THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE AWARE BECAUSE AN ENTIRE RETAINING WALL COLLAPSED RECENTLY. 
          SO, UM, I'D ASK FOR Y'ALL SUPPORT IN BRINGING THEM BACK, HAVING GIVEN THEM A CHANCE TO RE-LOOK AT THEIR SUP, UM, AND PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE STUDENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          I WORKED ON, ACTUALLY, I, UM, VICE CHAIR RUBEN AND I WORKED ON THIS CASE TOGETHER BEFORE, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT CAME ABOARD, AND HE'S BEEN ABOARD FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          I WORKED THE CASE ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE HE BEFORE HIM. 
          AND IT CONCERNS ME THAT THE SAME MATTERS THAT WERE DEFICIENT WHEN I WORKED THE CASE IS STILL DEFICIENT TODAY. 
          THE TMP, 
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THIS WAS THE, THIS WAS THE SCHOOL I LEARNED HOW TO READ A TMP ON BECAUSE I HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TMP THAT WAS BEING PRESENTED WAS BEING FOLLOWED. 
          MS. TAF AND I WORKED, SHE, WE WALKED THE SCHOOL INCH BY INCH, AND WE, AND TOGETHER WE SAW THE THINGS THAT NEEDED A WATCHFUL EYE. 
          IT HURTS THAT WE'RE THREE YEARS LATER AND THOSE SAME ITEMS STILL ARE LEFT UNDONE. 
          YES. 
          THE, THE, THE SCHOOL IS DOING A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THE EDUCATION. 
          WE NEED MORE SCHOOLS LIKE HARMONY. 
          WE NEED MORE SCHOOLS THAT ARE THERE LOVING OUR CHILDREN THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          BUT THE OTHER HALF OF THAT IS LOVING THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH YOU SIT. 
          YOU MUST DO THEM BOTH. 
          YOU MUST LOVE WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE INSIDE AND LOVE THOSE THAT YOU'RE IMPACTING ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I FIND IS SO HURTFUL FOR ME, BECAUSE WHEN I, I TOOK TIME OUT, AND THIS IS, THIS WAS NOT MY DISTRICT, SO IT WASN'T LIKE RUNNING AROUND THE CORNER AND I SAT AND I WATCHED, AND I, AND I, AND IT WAS WORK HEARTWARMING TO SEE THE TNP IMPLEMENTED, WATCHED THE IMPLEMENTATION AND WATCHED EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD HAPPEN HAPPEN. 
          AND THE, AND THE SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNITY GOT ALONG BECAUSE THE PARENTS DID WHAT THEY WERE ASKED TO DO. 
          THE KIDS WERE ABLE TO LEAD EFFICIENTLY AND THERE WERE NO PROBLEMS WITH QUEUING. 
          THERE WERE NO, THEY HAD EVERYTHING WORKING SO WELL. 
          I JUST ASK THAT WE MAYBE LOOK AT THE SUP AGAIN, MAYBE IMPLORE HARMONY TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE INSIDE, BUT GIVE AS MUCH LOVE TO THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY SIT. 
          THANK YOU MR. RUBIN. 
          YES. 
          UH, WELL, I'M THE THIRD SIGNATURE ON THE MEMO FOR THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING, SO I FIGURED I SHOULD PROBABLY SAY SOMETHING, UM, BRIEFLY. 
          UM, FIRST OFF, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE SCHOOL'S EDUCATIONAL OPERATIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW ONE ENOUGH ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION TO EVEN BEGIN TO OPINE ON THAT. 
          IT'S ABOUT A, A LAND USE ISSUE TO ME. 
          UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THIS BODY IS, HAS BEEN TOO HESITANT TO EITHER GRANT SUVS OR GRANT THEM FOR, UM, MEANINGFUL PERIODS OF TIME BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OPERATORS WITH PROBLEMS. AND I THINK I MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNORTHODOX VIEW THAT WE ARE TOO HESITANT ON THE FRONT END TO GIVE OUT SUVS, BUT TOO HESITANT ON THE BACK END TO CALL AUTHORIZED HEARINGS WHEN THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT COMPLIANCE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          SO WHEN WE VOTED TO RENEW THIS SCHOOL'S S-U-P-E-A-A FEW YEARS AGO, IN LIGHT OF THE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, LAND USE ISSUES THAT WERE INVOLVED, I THINK I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE WHO SAID, WE MAY NEED TO END UP CALLING AN AUTHORIZED HEARING. 
          AND BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PERSISTENT PROBLEMS, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, UM, I WILL SAY IT'S NOT MY DESIRE TO SHUT THE SCHOOL DOWN. 
          IT'S NOT MY DESIRE TO MICROMANAGE THE SCHOOL'S OPERATIONS THROUGH THIS SUP, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME FUNDAMENTAL LAND USE ISSUES WORKED OUT AND HOPEFULLY WORKED OUT, UM, PROMPTLY. 
          AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FASTER THAT I THINK THE SCHOOL MOVES TO REMEDY THESE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS HAS, I, IT MAY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE SUP PROCESS, BUT WHAT IF WE SEE ACTION, ACTION QUICKLY, I MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO CONVINCE TO POTENTIALLY UNAUTHORIZED THIS HEARING. 
          I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, BUT I THINK THE AUTHORIZED HEARING IS NECESSARY AND I HOPE THAT WE'LL GET PROMPT ACTION. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          SEE NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YOU POST. 
          AYE. 
          HAVE IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS. 
          [08:40:01]
WE'RE GONNA LOSE OUR 
          [23.  24-1440 An application for 1) a CR Community Retail District; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a commercial amusement (outside) on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the east line of Dowdy Ferry Road between Fireside Drive and Lake Anna Drive. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Emilio Rodriguez, Marco Antonio Balderas [Sole Owners] Representative: Michael Stanley Planner: Giahanna Bridges Council District: 8 Z223-319(GB) Z223-319(GB)_Case Report Z223-319(GB)_Site Plan Attachments:]
INTERPRETER. 
          SO WE'LL GO TO 23. 
          23 FOLLOWED BY 21. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HELLO. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE A, UH, A BRIEF BRIEFING. 
          THIS IS Z 2 23 DASH THREE 19. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT AND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE ON PROPERTIES ZONE R 7 58 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST LINE OF DOWTY FERRY ROAD BETWEEN FIRESIDE DRIVE AND LAKE ANA DRIVE. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE ON THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, IS LOCATED IN THE EAST LINE OF DOWTY FERRY ROAD BETWEEN FIRESIDE DRIVE AND LAKE ANA DRIVE. 
          AS YOU SEE HERE, IT IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, UM, A CHURCH AND SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND. 
          THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONE R SEVEN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ACCORDING TO AREA VIEWS. 
          THE SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A SMALL STRUCTURE USED FOR OUTDOOR EVENTS. 
          THE LOT HAS FURNISHED ON DOTY FAIR ROAD. 
          THE APPLICANT'S INTENDED USE IS COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE TO ALLOW THIS USE. 
          THEY REQUEST A CR, COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT AND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          THE NEXT PI UH, SLIDES WILL BE PICTURES OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS AND SOME SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          THIS IS A SITE PLAN. 
          THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT CONDITIONS. 
          AND INSTEAD RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS IS A BRIEFING. 
          YEAH. 
          QUESTIONS AS A BRIEFING? YEAH. 
          CAN, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SPECIFIC USE? YOU, YOU WENT THROUGH THAT SO QUICK. 
          I DIDN'T, I COULDN'T READ IT. 
          SO, UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT'S BEING ASKED IS FOR 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          THAT'S WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME. 
          AND HOW LONG OF A SUP ARE THEY? FIVE YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU YOU ARE WELCOME. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PLEASE, MR. SHER? UH, IN OUR CASE REPORT, BUT NOT IN, IN, UH, WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON OUR SCREEN. 
          PAGE 23 AND 20 23 8 AND 23 DASH 9 23 DASH EIGHT SHOWS A A BODY, BODY OF WATER AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I'M PRESUMING THAT'S FLOODPLAIN. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU SAID DE SEAN WOODEN. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE, WE HAVE TWO MAPS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ON IN THE CASE REPORT, 23 DASH EIGHT, THAT'S THE PAGE THAT SHOWS, UM, THE PROPERTY AND THEN IT SHOWS BODY WATER NETS PRESUMING FLOODPLAIN. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M ASSUMING. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE SHOWS, UH, THE PROPERTY AND IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S STRUCTURES THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ALSO SAID IN THE CASE REPORT THAT THERE'S EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          YES. 
          NOW TO THAT I WAS NOT ABLE TO DRIVE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT AGAIN, WHENEVER I DID THE AREA VIEW, I DID SEE A SMALL STRUCTURE, BUT I WAS NOT ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE GATE. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PRO THOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          NO. 
          YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT THAT. 
          I GOT YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND BEGIN THE HEARING. 
          WE'LL TAKE WITH OUR, UH, SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT. 
          GOOD EVENING, SIR. 
          [08:45:02]
MY NAME IS NOW I AM, MY NAME IS MICHAEL STANLEY, UH, MJ CONSULT GROUP 26 69 CLAREMONT DRIVE IN GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS. 
          I AM A TRANSPLANTED TAXI AND I CAME DOWN HERE, UM, AFTER I WAS SHOT. 
          MY APARTMENT WAS KILLED IN THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          BUT I LOVE IT. 
          UH, I HAVE SOME, UH, SUPPORTERS WITH ME AND I WOULD DEFER MY PRESENTATION UNTIL AFTER WE'VE HEARD SUPPORT AND OBJECTIONS. 
          I'LL PUT IT UP FOR YOU JUST SO IT'S THERE. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT IT. 
          THAT'S NOT IT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          ANOTHER, I HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT, YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL SHARE IT HANDY FOR YOU AND YOU CAN NAVIGATE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DO YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT OR DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH? NO, I WANT THEM TO SPEAK FIRST AND THEN I'LL COME BACK. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY WROTE DOWN SOMETHING. 
          THEY WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, AND, UH, READ IT. 
          SO BASICALLY THEY CAN, CAN YOU JUST GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? SURE. 
          SO OUR FOLKS ON, I CAN HEAR YOU. 
          YOU'RE SO TALL. 
          OH, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? ISDA. 
          AND YOUR LAST NAME? RODRIGUEZ. 
          RODRIGUEZ. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY, UH, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY BUILD ON THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PIECE OF LAND. 
          UM, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE OF 20 PEOPLE PERSONAS. 
          OKAY. 
          PERSON. 
          OH, ALRIGHT. 
          SO THEY ACTUALLY, UH, WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE ACTUAL CLASSIFICATION TO COMMERCIAL. 
          UH, AND THAT WILL ALSO GIVE 20 PEOPLE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE JOBS IN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU WANNA KNOW SHE IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          DO YOU NEED TO SAY THAT THIS IS A FAMILY PROJECT AND THEY WANNA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS OPTION TO GO FROM, UM, FROM, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          HE'S SAYING IT'S THE SAME. 
          HE'S THE OTHER OWNER. 
          AND YOUR NAME? RODRIGUEZ EMILIO RODRIGUEZ. 
          UH, 10, UH, 12 DOWDY FERRY ROAD ROAD. 
          DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          DALLAS, TEXAS. 
          7 6 7 5 2 1 7 7 5 2 1 7. 
          THIS IS ELIA CASTRO, 4 35. 
          WHAT'S THE NAME? WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE STREET? MYERS STREET IN DALLAS. 
          AND, OKAY. 
          AND SHE'S HERE ALSO, UH, TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE, UH, PROJECT AND TO HELP GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OTHER PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          OMAR VARDE, 21 0 5. 
          NAIROBI, NAIROBI PLACE IN MESQUITE, TEXAS. 
          OKAY. 
          HE ACTUALLY ALSO IS HERE TO SUPPORT THE FAMILY, UH, OPTION TO ACTUALLY CONVERT THIS INTO A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          HOUSE STATUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL RESTART YOUR TIME, SIR, FOR THE THREE MINUTES. 
          DID YOU WANT TO, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? 
          [08:50:02]
I WANTED TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          UH, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, IF WE HAD NO OBJECTIONS, ANY OKAY. 
          OBJECTIONS TO WHAT? TO ANYBODY PRESENT? NO, NO, NO. 
          YOU, YOU GET YOUR THREE MINUTES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 2016. 
          THE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS WERE MADE TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY, UNFORTUNATELY WITHOUT PERMITS. 
          UH, IN 2020, THEY HELD THEIR FIRST EVENT AT RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL. 
          UH, WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR CR ZONING AND OUR REQUEST IS TO OVER OVERTURN THE STAFF DECISION TO DENY THE ZONING. 
          LET'S SEE, HOW DO I WHICH, OKAY, HERE WE GO. 
          THE STAFF DECISION NOT TO APPEAL, NOT TO APPROVE IS BASED PRIMARILY UPON A SINGLE CONFUSING STATEMENT ON PAGE 23 DASH THREE. 
          THE LAND USE CAPABILITY IN YOUR PRESENTATION, THAT STATEMENT WAS THE AREA OF REQUESTED WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          IT'S ILLUSTRATED BY AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY. 
          THE TERM WALKING DISTANCE. 
          DISTANCE WOULD ONLY BE ACCURATE IN A RURAL COMMUNITY WHERE MILES ARE CONSIDERED WALKING DISTANCE, EVEN IF HELD TO BE TRUE. 
          TEXAS COURT PRECEDENT HAS CONFIRMED THAT MERE PROXIMITY IS NOT ENOUGH TO ESTABLISH A BEREAVEMENT OR INJURY IN TEXAS. 
          THAT'S TO BE STANDING AND EVIDENTIARY PROOF. 
          MY OFFICE MAILED OUT OVER 200 NOTIFICATIONS. 
          I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED OF ANY OBJECTIONS. 
          CERTAINLY NO ONE APPEARED TO OPPOSE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, ALTHOUGH AT THAT SAME MEETING THERE WERE 10 SUPPORTERS. 
          BUT LET'S LOOK FURTHER. 
          WE'RE OKAY. 
          AM I BECOMING YOUR ENEMY? BECAUSE I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, THAT'S WHAT APOSTLE PAUL QUOTED TO THE GALATIAN CHURCH COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS ALSO MY QUESTION TO YOU. 
          THERE ARE SOME MINIMAL DISTANCES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, THE CLOSEST STRUCTURE IS A CHURCH, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET AWAY, WHICH HAS PRIMARY ACTIVITY ON SUNDAY WHEN OUR PROPOSED USE IS NON-EXISTENT. 
          THAT'S ON PAGE 23 5, THE PROPOSED SUP CONDITIONS. 
          UNDER THE HOURS OF OCCUP OPERATION, YOU'LL HEAR GRANDIOSE CLAIMS OF TASK FORCE INVESTIGATIONS, ALLEGATIONS OF DISORDERLY CONDITIONS. 
          THESE ARE UNSUBSTANTIATED ALLEGATIONS THEY MAY NOT BE USED TO CONVICT OR DENY. 
          AND THAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. 
          THE ONLY VIOLATION RECEIVED FROM CODE COMPLIANCE AFTER SIX YEARS WAS FOR A NON PERMITTED CONSTRUCTION. 
          IN JUNE OF 2023, WITHIN 30 DAYS, ALL CONSTRUCTION PERMITS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. 
          THERE WERE NO OTHER CODE VIOLATIONS CITING NOISE LIGHTING, LATE HOURS, OR EVEN ZONING ISSUED FOR 10 12. 
          DOTTY FERRY ROAD CODE SUPERVISION WAS PRESENT AT OUR LAST EVENT FOR A PERIOD OF SEVEN HOURS. 
          THEY WERE NOT CITED, NOT SHUT DOWN, NOR ANY COMPLAINTS MADE TO ME WHO WAS ALSO ON SITE. 
          THERE WERE NO POLICE NOTICES OR ANY VIOLATIONS. 
          IN FACT, POLICE WERE ON SITE FOR QUITE A FEW OF OUR EVENTS WORKING THROUGH THE DPD PROGRAM FOR MANY OF THE EVENTS. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          THAT CONCLUDES YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION COMMISSIONERS. 
          QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          MR. STANLEY? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND OUR MEETING THAT WE HAD ON THE 24TH WAS CODE, NOT CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          NOT IN THAT MEETING. 
          UH, WAS CODE COMPLIANCE THERE? MM-HMM. 
          ? YES MA'AM. 
          DID WE NOT DISCUSS THE FACT THAT YOU MAY HAVE REQUESTED THE PER THE, THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE REQUESTED THE PERMITS, BUT PERMITS WERE NOT, HAVE NOT BEEN YET RECEIVED? I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BUT LET ME ANSWER WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE DIRECTED TO APPLY FOR A SPECIFIC EVENTS PERMIT, NO. 
          AND, UH, THE CITY, THE CITY SAID THAT WE DID NOT NEED A SPECIFIC, THAT'S A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED. 
          I SAID WAS IT NOT TRUE THAT IN THE MEETING CO YOU, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE GET ASKED FOR PERMITS, BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE UNAPPROVED STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED THOSE BUILDING PERMITS AS OF TODAY? OH YES, BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTINGENT UPON THE ZONING. 
          BUT MY DESIRE WAS JUST TO SHOW THAT 
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WE COMPLIED. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, OF ALL THE VENUES DOWN THERE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX PERFORMING SIMILAR THINGS, THEY ALL SHUT DOWN. 
          WE WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT APPLIED AND WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND SPENDING AN EXCESS OF $8,000 IN CITY FEES TO TRY TO OBTAIN PERMISSION TO DO SOMETHING. 
          WELL THIS IS, I'M I'M JUST GONNA ASK QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THIS IS IT NOT ACCURATE THAT THIS BUILDING, THIS LOCATION ACTUALLY HAD TWO ADDRESSES THAT WERE CON THAT WERE CONSIDERED 10 12 DOTY FERRY AND 8,500 FIRESIDE. 
          THOSE ADDRESSES WERE BOTH IN THE CITY SYSTEM. 
          THEY WERE BOTH PROVIDED TO US BY THE CITY AS OF MARCH 29TH. 
          THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD USE THE CORRECT ADDRESS, WHICH IS 10 12 DOTY FERRY ROAD. 
          AND THE 8,500 FIRESIDE IS NOT, IS THAT NOT WALKING DISTANCE TO THE FIRESIDE REC CENTER, WHICH IS AT 86 0 1? NO, 8,500 FIRESIDE WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. 
          NO, BUT 8,500 FIRESIDE IS NOT, IS ACTUALLY IN WALKING DISTANCE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS WELL AS 86 0 1 FIRESIDE, WHICH IS THE CITY REC CENTER, THE FIRESIDE REC CENTER. 
          I AM AFTER THAT THAT WHERE ACTUALLY HAD THE MEETING. 
          CORRECT? I AM HAPPY TO, BUT I'M GOING TO USE WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOARD. 
          YOU WILL SEE THAT THE EVENT CENTER IS ACTUALLY 1000 FEET FROM THE ROAD. 
          THAT'S AN EVENT CENTER. 
          IT SAYS ALL EVENTS ARE HELD. 
          THAT'S, UH, IT'S A THOUSAND FEET OVER A THOUSAND FEET AWAY FROM ANYTHING ON EITHER SIDE OF IT EXCEPT THE 400 FEET FROM THE CHURCH. 
          IT'S OVER 1600 FEET. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY MILES AWAY. 
          THE FLOOD PLAIN IS BEYOND EVERYTHING. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE FLOOD PLAIN PASSING ACROSS THE END OF THE PROPERTY. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT USING THAT. 
          SO WE ARE NOT WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF ANYTHING UNLESS YOU ARE WALKING FOR EXERCISE AND YOU'RE WALKING TO DO TWO MILES IN POINT OF EFFECT. 
          THERE WERE COMPLAINTS MADE OF NOISE, BUT NONE OF THEM CITED 10 12. 
          10 12. 
          WHAT WE DO WAS WEDDINGS, VOW RENEWALS, BAPTISMAL CERTIFICATIONS, BAPTISMAL CELEBRATIONS, THAT'S ALL THEY'VE DONE. 
          SO THEY'RE AN AMERICAN FAMILY THAT CEASE THAT'S TRYING TO PERFORM AND LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM. 
          AND THERE IS A, A SYSTEM. 
          WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE THERE THE DEPARTMENTS, MANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS OPERATE IN A MODE OF MONOLITHIC EXCLUSIVITY. 
          THAT MEANS EACH DEPARTMENT OPERATES INDIVIDUALLY AND THEY DO NOT TALK TO EACH OTHER. 
          WE RAN INTO THAT CONFUSION. 
          IF I AM CONFUSED, THEN MY CLIENT CERTAINLY HAD THE RIGHT TO BE CONFUSED. 
          WE HAVE ASKED FOR AN SUP PERMIT WITH A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF RENEWAL ONE YEAR. 
          GIVE US ONE YEAR TO JUSTIFY THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION INVESTMENT THAT WE'VE ALREADY DID IN THIS. 
          AND IF IT'S ONE YEAR AND IT'S NOT SATISFACTORY, THEN BY ALL MEANS IT'S ON THEM FOR NOT PERFORMING. 
          BUT I THINK YOU WILL FORM FINDING, NOT ONLY ARE THEY PROVIDING A VALUABLE EMPLOYMENT RESOURCE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING BUSINESSES FOR OTHER AREAS, FOR CATERERS, FOR BAKERS, FOR DECORATORS, FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS. 
          THEY ARE EARNEST CHRISTIAN PEOPLE ON THEIR EVENTS. 
          DO THEY NOT, DO THEY NOT SELL ALCOHOL OR PROVIDE ALCOHOL? DID THEY PROVIDE ALCOHOL? YES MA'AM. 
          AND SO DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. 
          THEY DO NOT SELL IT, BUT THEY PROVIDE IT. 
          THEY PROVIDE IT. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          AND IS THIS NOT A RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS ON? IT IS ZONE RESIDENTIAL AGAIN, UNTIL, BUT YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS ON IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          UNTIL OUR MEETING, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THAT WHEN I FIRST APPLIED FOR AN SUP. 
          THIS IS AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THE CONFUSION. 
          IN AUGUST, WE, UH, NOT IN AUGUST. 
          YEAH. 
          IN AUGUST WE APPLIED FOR AN SUP IN NOVEMBER WE WERE TOLD WE NEEDED A ZONING CHANGE. 
          I'M, AND SO IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A CONTINU, BUT EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED, WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH. 
          I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER FORZA, CAN I ASK STAFF TO, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT THE REASON FOR THEIR DENIALS? I, I DIDN'T QUITE GET THAT FROM THE CASE REPORT. 
          AMEN. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS? I, I, I GUESS I'LL JUST ASK YOU A VERY QUICK ONE, UH, MR. STANLEY, 
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AND THAT IS THAT YOUR, YOUR REQUESTING IN A VERY SHORT SUP, BUT YEAH, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND YOU PROBABLY ALREADY EXPLAINED TO YOUR CLIENTS THAT IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T TAG AN SUP TO A, TO THE CURRENT ZONING. 
          RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO CHANGE THE ZONING. 
          AND THEN THAT ZONING CHANGE UNLOCKS THE ABILITY FOR THIS BODY TO THEN SAY, OKAY, FIND IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE HURDLE THAT SOME OF US HERE ARE TRYING TO JUMP IS THAT WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PUT THE SUP ON THE R SEVEN FIVE NOW, RIGHT? THE, NO, THE, THE HURDLE FOR ME WAS THAT WHEN WE APPLIED FOR AN SUP, DID NOT THE CITY KNOW THAT ZONING CHANGE WAS REQUIRED. 
          AND IF THE CITY KNEW, THEN, IF WE HAD BEEN ADVISED OF THAT EARLIER, WE COULD HAVE MADE A DECISION EITHER TO PURSUE A ZONING CHANGE OR TO WITHDRAW THE CASE OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT SIX MONTHS AFTER THE SUP, UH, FOUR MONTHS AFTER THE SUP WAS APPLIED FOR AND PAID FOR, WE WERE AGAIN CONTACTED. 
          WE CAME DOWN TO THE CITY, WE PAID ANOTHER $6,000. 
          WE DID A ZONING CHANGE PROPOSAL. 
          AND, UH, IT WASN'T UNTIL WE CAME TO THE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING, AND I COMMEND ALL OF YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I KNOW HOW COMMISSIONER BLAIR WORKS, AND I KNOW HOW HARD YOU GUYS WORKED. 
          THIS WAS AN EYEOPENER JUST BEING HERE TODAY. 
          BUT IT WAS ONLY WHEN WE CAME TO THE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING THAT WE DISCERN, WE DETERMINED HOW VISCERAL, AT LEAST, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR WAS ABOUT US NOT GETTING THIS. 
          BUT THE ONLY THING THAT YOU GUYS WILL READ IN THE PACKAGE BEFORE YOU, THAT'S PREPARED BY A CITY PROFESSIONAL IS THAT WE ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. 
          AND I SAY THAT PROXIMITY DOES NOT EQUAL AGREE. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          UH, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FIRST. 
          STAFF PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR FEL WELL, COMMISSIONER FORAY HAD A, A QUESTION, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER FOR, OH, WE'LL VOTE PLEASE, COMMISSIONER, FOR IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO ME THE REASONS WHY STAFF DENIED THIS REQUEST. 
          I MEAN, EVERY, THERE HAVE BEEN VIOLATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED AGAINST THE BUSINESS HERE. 
          I I REALIZE THE BUSINESS WAS OPERATING, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE, THE RIGHT ZONING. 
          BUT, UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING NOW. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE REASONS FOR THE DENIAL. 
          WELL, FIRST I WANNA SAY I CAN'T TAKE CODE VIOLATIONS UNTIL MY ANALYSIS, SO THAT'S NOT WHY I DECIDED TO RECOMMEND THIS CASE FOR DENIAL. 
          IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT'S CLOSE TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S ALSO A CHURCH THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO THIS COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT WILL BE OUTTA CHARACTER FOR THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M RECOMMENDING DENIAL. 
          MY REBUTTAL IF I'M PERMITTED. 
          NO, SIR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THIS, THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP COMMISSIONER? WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR HIS RESPONSE IF, UH, IF IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS. 
          THIS IS JUST, JUST QUESTIONS. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR THAT, 'CAUSE I WASN'T SURE FROM YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, THEY, THEY WEREN'T DENYING THE, THE, THE GENTLEMAN'S, UH, APPLICATION FOR HIS BUSINESS. 
          THE RECOMMENDATION IS JUST THE DENIAL OF THE ZONING CHANGE. 
          UH, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BLAIR FILED BY COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU WANT TO, UM, YES. 
          FOR STAFF, PLEASE. 
          UM, WHEN YOU WENT TO THE PROPERTY, WERE YOU, TH WERE YOU SATISFIED THAT THE, THE, THAT THIS WAS, THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY? YES, MA'AM. 
          WERE YOU SATISFIED THAT TO, TO INSERT THIS TYPE OF ZONING INTO THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY WOULD NOT BE, UM, ENHANCING THE COMMUNITY AT ALL? YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SHENA, UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, UM, THIS, THIS SHARES A PROPERTY LINE WITH R SEVEN FIVE, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT YES, SIR. 
          IT DOES. 
          HOUSES RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? NOPE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? WE READY? OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, IN, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3, 3 1 9, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOW STATUS, RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS. 
          YOU DO HAVE A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UH, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, JUST SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE HISTORY, I STARTED THIS AS A CODE VIOLATION 
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TWO YEARS AGO. 
          I STARTED AS A CODE VIOLATION BECAUSE OF THE SOUND THAT CARRIED THAT PERMEATED RESIDENTS BLOCKS AWAY. 
          I STARTED THIS BECAUSE IT, IT WAS ADVERTISING SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS NOT ALLOWED ON RESIDENTIAL ADVERTISING, A BUSINESS ON A RESIDENCE. 
          ONCE WE STARTED THE PROCESS AND CODE WAS ABLE TO GET ON PROPERTY, THEY FOUND THAT THERE WERE STRUCTURES THAT WERE ERECTED WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF A PERMIT. 
          THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN OPERATING A OUTSIDE VENUE WITH LIGHTS AND SOUND FOR YEARS WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAS HAD TO ENDURE. 
          I GOT PHONE CALLS AT 9 10, 7, 9 10, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT ON SATURDAY NIGHTS, FRIDAY NIGHTS, SAYING IT'S, AND I'M ASKING THE RESIDENTS, WELL, WHERE ARE YOU? AND THEY SAID, I'M SITTING IN MY LIVING ROOM. 
          WELL, ARE YOU HAVING A PARTY? NO, IT'S THREE BLOCKS AWAY. 
          AND WHEN THEY FI, WHEN CODE WAS ABLE TO FINALLY GET EVERYBODY ON DOWDY FERRY, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST ONE. 
          THIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. 
          THEY WERE CAME TO A MEETING A YEAR AGO AND LAST APRIL. 
          AND EACH ONE OF THE RES, EACH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE ASKED, AND THEY WERE TOLD, YOU CAN'T DO BUSINESS IN A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          THIS APPLICANT IS ASKING TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM RESIDENCE, ALTHOUGH IT LIVES, IT SITS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FROM RESIDENTS TO A BUSINESS. 
          AND THEN TO HAVE A SUP ON TOP OF THAT BUSINESS TO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS. 
          THE COMMUNITY THAT SURROUNDS IT DID NOT, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MOST IMPACTED WERE SICK. 
          THE DAY THAT WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING, THEY CALLED ME AND THEY'VE CALLED ME, AND THEY CALLED ME THIS MORNING AND THEY'VE ASKED, PLEASE PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EVENT. 
          THE REC CENTER IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. 
          SO I ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW MY, MY, MY, UM, RECOMMENDATION OF THE NI, JUST AS, AS STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? I SEE NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. 
          A UH, ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          LET'S GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK 
          [21. 24-1435 An application for 1) a Planned Development Subdistrict for LC Light Commercial Subdistrict uses; and 2) the termination of deed restrictions [Z023-154, Z023-271, Z023-272, and Z023-273] on property zoned an LC Light Commercial Subdistrict and a GR General Retail Subdistrict within Planned Development No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, on the southwest line of Armstrong Avenue, between McKinney Avenue and North Central Expressway. Staff Recommendation: 1) Approval, subject to a development plan, a landscape plan, a height plan, and staff’s recommended conditions; and 2) approval of the termination of deed restrictions [Z023-154, Z023-271, Z023-272, and Z023-273] as volunteered by the applicant. Applicant: Knox Promenade, LLC Representative: Tommy Mann, Winstead PC Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 14 Z223-208(LG)  Z223-208(LG)_Case Report Z223-208(LG)_Development Plan Z223-208(LG)_Landscaping Plan Z223-208(LG)_Height Plan Attachments:]
YOU, SIR. 
          LET'S GO TO 21. 
          I'M SORRY, I THINK YOU CLOSED THIS, BUT THE HAD A QUESTION TOO LATE TO ASK THE QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY, MA'AM. 
          I, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. 
          I'M, I TURNED THIS OFF. 
          THE OWNERS HAD A QUESTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO LATE. 
          IS IT TOO LATE? OKAY. 
          'CAUSE THEY WERE SAYING THEY NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING LIKE A CODE WARNING OR ANYTHING. 
          I'VE ALREADY STATED THAT WE RECEIVED NOTHING FROM HOME. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ITEM NUMBER 21 IS Z 2 2 3 2 0 8. 
          THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, SUBDISTRICT FOR LC, LIKE COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT USES. 
          AND TWO, THE TERMINATION OF DUE RESTRICTION Z 0 23 DASH 1 54 Z 0 23 DASH 2 71 Z 0 23 DASH 2 72, AND Z 0 23 DASH 2 73 ON PROPERTY ZONED AN LC LIKE COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT AND A GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 180 3, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF ARMSTRONG 
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AVENUE BETWEEN MCKINNEY AVENUE AND NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE POINT 14 ACRES. 
          THIS IS THE AERIAL OF THE SITE, UH, ZONING AROUND THE SITE. 
          AND THE AERIAL REQUEST IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH SEVERAL BUILDINGS THAT CONTAINED A MIXTURE OF RETAIL. 
          AND TO USE THIS, THE SIGN QUESTION, UM, CURRENTLY HAS DEED RESTRICTIONS, UH, WHICH THE APPLICANT REQUEST TO TERMINATE TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY WITH A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, MULTIFAMILY ASSISTED LIVING AND RETIREMENT HOUSING AND OFFICE. 
          THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH THREE TOWERS. 
          HOWEVER, THE EXISTING ONE STORY RETAIL BUILDING AT THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE SITE WILL REMAIN. 
          UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THE, UH, PHOTOS, UH, SURROUNDING THE SITE TOWARDS THE NORTHEAST, TOWARDS THE NORTH. 
          AND THEN STANDARDS PROPOSED. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE GOING FOR A PROPOSED, UH, NEW, UH, PDS, WHICH, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WOULD TIE TO A PROJECT THAT QUALIFIES FOR DEVELOPMENT BONUS FOR MIXED, UM, INCOME HOUSING. 
          AND THEN THIS IS, UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN I HAVE FOR ENLARGEMENT. 
          UH, SO AS I MENTIONED, IT IS THREE STORY. 
          I MEAN THREE, UH, TOWERS. 
          ONE WILL BE MULTI-FAMILY. 
          UH, ANOTHER ONE WILL BE OFFICE BUILDING. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD WILL BE, UH, A COMMENCE, UH, NT UH, NURSING BUILDING, UH, RETIREMENT AS WELL. 
          AND THEN, UM, THIS IS A PROPOSED LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE HYATT PLAN THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. 
          AND THEN, UM, SO STAFF SUPPORTS THEIR REQUEST BECAUSE THEIR PROS USABLE, ADD AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT WITH AN ADDITIONAL DIVERSITY OF HOUSING. 
          HOWEVER, STAR RECOMMENDS ALIGNMENT WITH THE 10% OF 16, ONE TO 80% A MI AND A 5% AT 81, UM, TO A HUNDRED, UM, PERCENT A MI SINCE ADDITIONAL MIXED INCOME HOUSING WILL BE LEVERAGED, UH, TO BALANCE THEIR REQUEST. 
          THE SUBJECT SIDE IS WITHIN MVA, CATEGORY C FOR WHICH STANDARDS MI, UM, H BONUS BECOMES ELIGIBLE WITH PROVIDING THE INCOME BAND RESERVE UNITS AND THE PERCENTAGE OF UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN RESERVED. 
          AND THEN, UM, STAFF ALSO, UH, RECOMMENDS, UH, FOR THEM TO REMOVE, UM, THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA. 
          BUILDINGS NOT CONTAINING RESIDENTIAL USE IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DISCLOSURE REQUIRED BY SECTION 51 A DASH 4 11 0 5. 
          UH, STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LANDSCAPING PLAN, A HEIGHT PLAN, AND STATUTE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, AND TO APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS IT'S VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER KINGTON? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST OF ALL, IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT YOU SHOWED AND AS PART OF YOUR BRIEFING, THE REVISED LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS CIRCULATED I THINK YESTERDAY OR TODAY? IT IS NOT. 
          UM, I DID LOOK AT THE ONE THAT THEY SUBMITTED ON LAST FRIDAY. 
          IT DID SEEM THAT IT WAS THE SAME. 
          UM, BUT THIS ONE IS FROM THE ONE THAT I RECEIVED ON FRIDAY, NOT THE ONE FROM YESTERDAY. 
          SHOULDN'T THOSE BE THE SAME? I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THEY DID INCLUDE THE SPECIMEN TREE AND CENTRAL VEHICLE ROUNDABOUT. 
          LEMME SEE IF IT HAS A DATE. 
          IT'S THE ONE DATED APRIL 26TH, 2024. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE, AND THIS IS FOR MR. MOORE. 
          UM, WHEN CALCULATING THE FEE IN LIEU UNDER THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ONLY INCLUDES THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING UNDER SECTION 21 A. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW CHAPTER 28, 20 28. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          20 A. 
          YEAH, THAT'S 
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MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT OPERATES. 
          IT'S A MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS AND APPLIES TO JUST THAT HOUSING, SO RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? I WAS GONNA ADD IN YES, THAT, THAT BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THAT SECTION 4.4 POINT 1105, THE PROCEDURES TO RETAIN DEVELOPMENT BONUS AND THEIR PROPOSAL TO MODIFY THAT, WE DO HAVE HOUSING, UH, I BELIEVE LISTENING IN AS WELL AND ABLE TO POTENTIALLY WEIGH IN AS WELL. 
          I WILL JUST CLARIFY THAT THE WAY HOUSING IS INTERPRETED, THE SECTION OF CODE AND, AND APPLIED IT IN, UM, PAST BONUSES IS THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS INCLUDED IN THAT CALCULATION. 
          IF IT'S AREA, IF IT'S A BUILDING USING THE BONUS AS DESCRIBED IN CHAPTER 20 A. 
          AND SO BEYOND THAT, WE, WE FIND THAT WHEN THEY'VE USED IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PRECEDENT TO USE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          'CAUSE IT'S MENTIONED IN THE FEE AND LOSE SECTION. 
          CHAPTER 20 A, THE FLOOR AREA DEVOTED TO NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IS MORE THAN 20% OF THE FLOOR AREA. 
          THE FEE IS CALCULATED BY MULTIPLYING THE SQUARE APPLICABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, SO ON AND SO FORTH BY THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA. 
          UM, OTHERWISE THEY JUST USE THE RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          SO IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT'S HOW HOUSING HAS, UM, APPLIED THAT WHEN CALCULATING THESE BONUSES. 
          I CAN LET, UH, HOUSING WEIGH IN MORE IF, IF NEED BE. 
          UH, BUT THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHY, UH, ONE THING, THAT'S THE FIRST THING IN REGARDS TO HOW THE FEE HAS BEEN, UH, INTERPRETED IN THE PAST. 
          AND SECOND, UH, THEIR PROPOSAL TO MODIFY FOUR POINT 1105 IS MODIFYING THE PROCEDURES TO OBTAIN A DEVELOPMENT BONUS. 
          IT'S NOT ONLY IN REGARDS TO THE FEE IN LIE, IT APPLIES TO ANYTHING THEY NEED TO DO TO, UH, ASSESS THE FEE, WHETHER THEY PROVIDE IT ON SITE, WHETHER THEY PAY THE FEE OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          THAT'S A MODIFICATION TO THE PROCEDURES TO OBTAIN A DEVELOPMENT BONUS AND FOUND IT INAPPROPRIATE TO MODIFY THAT THROUGH A PD, WHICH IS JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY HIS BACKGROUND, THAT'S WHAT LED US TO OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND IT'S AN EXPLANATION TO, UM, THE PREVIOUS QUESTION, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. 
          UM, MM-HMM, , BECAUSE WHEN I READ SECTION 20 A SUBSECTION 23, IT SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME THAT IT ONLY APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          BUT I FOLLOW, MY QUESTION IS WHY WOULD IT SAY IF THE FLOOR AREA DEVOTED TO NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IS MORE THAN 20% OF THE FLOOR AREA? THE FEE IS CALCULATED USING THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA, AND THEN IT'S ASSESSED AT THE BUILDING LEVEL AS WELL. 
          SO EACH BUILDING, THE AMOUNT OF FEE APPLIES TO EACH BUILDING USING THE BONUS SEPARATELY. 
          SO THAT IS WHAT HAS LED US TO THAT UNDERSTANDING. 
          AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, HOUSING AND WHEN THEY APPLY IT AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, UH, MR. MOORE, WHAT IS THE INTERPRETATION FROM YOUR OFFICE? BECAUSE WHEN I READ SECTION 20 A DASH 23.1, I UNDERSTAND, I DON'T, OUR, I DO NOT KNOW IF OUR OFFICE HAS AN OFFICIAL POSITION ON HOW TO INTERPRET 20 A, 23.1 AT THIS POINT, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL HIM HOW TO INTERPRET IT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU HOW HOUSING IS APPLIED IT AND WORKING WITH THEM CLOSELY. 
          OKAY? IF WE'RE TO MODIFY THE PROCEDURES OF WHAT GIVES THEM THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO OBTAIN THIS BONUS AND, AND WORK WITH IT, IT COULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          I CAN TELL, I CAN READ IT AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I THINK, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS SAID THIS IS WHAT 20 A 23 1 MEANS. 
          OKAY, WELL, THIS IS WHY I ASKED THIS QUESTION THIS MORNING. 
          AND WHAT'S THE APPLICANT SUPPOSED TO DO? THIS IS A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR QUESTION RIGHT NOW. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR QUESTION RIGHT NOW, BUT OUR, I DO NOT KNOW THAT OUR OFFICE HAS THE DEFINITIVE INTERPRETATION AS TO WHAT SUBSECTION C MEANS. 
          CAN I ADD ON SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENT'S OPINION ON THE MATTER? JUST THAT IF THE UNDERSTANDING WHETHER OR NOT, SO THAT'S HOW HOUSING HAS APPLIED IN THE PAST, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN INTERPRETATION MADE THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY 
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TO NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA, THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO USE THE BONUS. 
          THEIR LANGUAGE AND HOW THE PD IS WRITTEN. 
          THEY'RE TRIGGERING THE BONUS. 
          THEY'RE GOING ABOVE THE HEIGHT, THEY'RE GOING PRESUMABLY OF ABOVE OF THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, BUT DEFINITELY ABOVE THE HEIGHT. 
          SO IT SOUNDS TO ME IN THAT CASE THEN WE SHOULD NOT SET THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE FOR THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR ANYONE INVOLVED, THAT THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE BONUS, BUT OBTAINING THE BONUS, BUT NOT PAYING ALONG WITH IT WHEN THEY'RE OBTAINING THE BONUS. 
          WHEN CHAPTER 20 SAYS THE AMOUNT OF FEE APPLIES TO EACH BUILDING USING THE BONUS, BUT I FIND THAT THESE BUILDINGS ARE USING THE BONUS. 
          WELL, EVERY ZONING CASE WE HAVE IS GETTING SOME SORT OF ENTITLEMENT. 
          AND SECTION 20 A ONLY REFERENCES RESIDENTIAL, WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR CODE AN IMPACT FEE EXCEPT FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          IF I, IF THIS DIDN'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AND WE JUST MODIFIED A SUBDISTRICT UNDER ONE 90 AND PD 1 93, THERE WOULD BE NO MECHANISM FOR A FEE AND LIE. 
          IF THIS WAS JUST OFFICE AND SENIOR HOUSING, A NURSING HOME, THERE WOULD BE NO FEE AND LIE. 
          RIGHT? IF IT WERE JUST THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, I WILL SAY THAT CHAPTER 28 DOES CALL ATTENTION TO NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN C ONE UNDER FEE AND LIE ONE MENTIONS NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, AND THEN THERE'S A SCENARIO IN WHICH YOU COULD HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IF THEY'RE OVER 20%. 
          I UNDERSTAND THEY INCLUDED A 20% IN THERE. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT PENALIZED OR HAVING A SMALL PORTION OF RETAIL OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          BUT IT'S THERE. 
          AND SO IT'S POSSIBLE, AND THAT'S HOW IT'S APPLIED. 
          BUT THE ONLY WAY WE EVER EVEN GET TO 20 A IS THROUGH THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING SECTION UNDER 51 A. 
          SO THE ONLY WAY WE EVEN TIE INTO 20 A IS THROUGH OUR RESIDENTIAL MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM. 
          SURE. 
          SO WE NEVER GET TO 20 A UNLESS WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT A FEE AND LIE BONUS UNDER OUR RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM. 
          RIGHT? SURE. 
          BUT ONCE WE'RE IN 20 A, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT ANY NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA GREATER THAN 20% COUNTS TOWARDS THE FEE IN LIE CALCULATION. 
          SO YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DON'T START IN 20 A, BUT ONCE WE GET THERE, THERE IS A CONDITION THAT SAYS THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT, UM, PROVISION IN THIS PD BE STRUCK. 
          AND YES, AND, AND I I THINK IT'S A SITUATION IN WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WORKING WITH MIXED USE DISTRICTS, THIS GIVES A PROVISION TO AND GIVE MIXED USE ENTITLEMENTS ACROSS MULTIPLE. 
          YES. 
          BECAUSE THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL CON, ITS POSSIBLE, BUT PLEASE THINK OF A SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. 
          WELL, YOU'RE NOT TIED TO A BONUS, BUT YOU'RE JUST GIVING ENTITLEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S OKAY TO GIVE UP ZONINGS IN, IN ENTITLEMENTS LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK FOR THE COMMUNITY PSYCH AND, AND BEYOND THAT, UM, IF WE HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING THE BONUS, UM, THE, AND THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM, THAT THEY SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE, THE FEE IN LIEU AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO WHAT I GUESS I WOULD TAKE ISSUE WITH AS A, AS A PLANNER IS THOUGH THE CONDITIONS AS WRITTEN GIVE BONUS, AND THEN WE GO DOWN TO THE EXCEPTION SECTION WHERE THEY ASKED FOR EXEMPTION FROM THE DISCLOSURE. 
          THEY'RE REALLY NOT WELL PARTICIPATING IN THE BONUS AS THE BONUS IS DESCRIBED IN THE YARD LOT SPACE SECTION. 
          WELL, NUMBER ONE, I WAS HERE WHEN WE PASSED THIS, AND THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT APPLYING IT ONLY TO RE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          SO FOR THE CITY TO NOW SAY IT APPLIES TO OTHER BUILDINGS WITHIN A SUBSECTION OF PD, IT'S CLEARLY NOT ACTING IN GOOD FAITH. 
          THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 
          NUMBER TWO, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS STATUTE, SUBSECTION C IS ENTITLED FEE IN LIEU. 
          THE REQUIREMENT FOR RESERVED DWELLING UNITS MAY BE SATISFIED BY MAKING A PAYMENT TO THE CITY'S MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS FUND ESTABLISHED BY RE RESOLUTION NUMBER, BLAH SUBSECTION ONE OF SUBSECTION FEE C IS WHERE IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN A BUILDING. 
          SO THAT IS A SUBSECTION OF A SUBSECTION OF 20 A DASH 23.1. 
          YOU CANNOT TAKE THAT OUT OF THAT SECTION OF THE CODE AND READ IT INDEPENDENTLY. 
          AND I DON'T, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          NO, I, I REALLY AM NOT. 
          BUT WITH, WITH C, THE REQUIREMENT FOR RESERVED DWELLING UNITS, WELL, THOSE COULD BE PART OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND WHAT ARE THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT WE GRANT WITH THE MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT BONUS HEIGHT, UH, FLORA RATIO. 
          THOSE CAN VERY MUCH BE APPLIED AND 
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UTILIZED IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT. 
          LET'S NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT PDS IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          IT'S, IT'S THERE. 
          AND THEN WE USE ONE, TWO, AND THREE TO CALCULATE THE FEE, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR NOT. 
          WHEN YOU READ SECTION 20 A DASH 23 1, THE ENTIRE CON, THE ENTIRE CONTEXT IS DWELLING UNITS. 
          IT IS ENTIRELY TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A A SO THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT HOW IT'S APPLIED BY HOUSING AND IT'S NOT HOW IT'S INTERPRETED BY OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          BUT WHAT I WILL SAY THEN IS IF WE THINK THAT'S THE CASE, I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GRANT DEVELOPMENT BONUSES WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM IF THEY'RE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          'CAUSE THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT UTILIZES THE BONUS. 
          IT'S A BUILDING UTILIZE USING THE BONUS PER C TWO. 
          I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WILL PAY INTO THE HOUSING FUND BY PAYING THE FEE IN LIE. 
          YES. 
          THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS ARE UTILIZING THE BONUS AS THE PD IS DRAFTED AS WELL. 
          NO, THEY'RE NOT. 
          THEY'RE GOING ABOVE THE BASE HEIGHT. 
          THEY'RE PRESUMABLY GOING ABOVE THE BASE FLOOR ITERATION. 
          AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER GIVEBACKS IN THE SUBSECTION OF THE PD THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT ARE NOT REQUIRED BY PD 1 93. 
          BUT IT, THE, THE PDS YARD LOT IN SPACE SAYS, ONE, WE ARE AN LC DISTRICT TWO MAXIMUM HEIGHT ON THE, IN THE L OR WELL IN THE LC DISTRICT, MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS, UH, TWO 40. 
          CORRECT. 
          THEN MAXIMUM HEIGHT WHEN PROVIDING A MIXED INCOME HOUSING IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH YADA YADA CON, THE CONVALESCENT BUILDING IS TWO 60 FEET. 
          THE OFFICE BUILDING IS 2 95, MULTIFAMILY IS 400. 
          UM, THEN FLOOR AREA RATIO, WE HAVE THE BASE FLOOR AREA RATIO, WHICH I, I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          IT MIGHT BE FOUR OR SO IN THE BASE, BUT THEN FLU AREA RATIO WHEN PROVIDING MIX INCOME BONUS IN ACCORDANCE WITH YADA YADA MAXIMUM FLUR AREA RATIO IS 7.9. 
          AND FLOOR AREA RATIO CAN ONLY BE CALCULATED AT THE BUILDING SITE LEVEL. 
          SO I I I AM JUST SAYING THE COMMERCIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ARE UTILIZING THE BONUS AS THE PD IS DRAFTED. 
          SO HOW WOULD YOU DRAFT IT DIFFERENTLY? WELL, I WOULD NOT FOLLOW UP, I WOULD NOT INCLUDE, AS WE'VE RECOMMENDED, I WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE DISCLOSURE OR THE EXEMPTION FROM THE DISCLOSURE SO THAT HOUSING HAS THE DATA THAT THEY NEED, THE VARIABLES THAT THEY NEED TO APPLY CODE. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          I WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE TEXT THAT THEY ASKED FOR, WHICH IS C IN THE HOUSING SECTION, WHICH EXEMPTS THEM FROM THE DISCLOSURE OR THE DOING THE FULL DISCLOSURE AS DESCRIBED BY FOUR POINT 1105, THAT SIMPLE SO THAT HOUSING CAN APPLY AND FOLLOW THEIR REGULAR PROCEDURE. 
          THAT IS HOW I WOULD DRAFT IT. 
          BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CITY SOLD THIS PROGRAM AS IT I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND I, I WAS THERE FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. 
          WE WORKED WITH HOUSING HAND IN HAND. 
          THEY WILL STATE THAT IT, THAT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, MIXED INCOME HOUSING THROUGH ONE OF THE TWO METHODS. 
          BUT, UM, THEN I WOULD JUST SAY THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION TO THAT, IF WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, IF WE'RE NOT, IF, IF IN YOUR, IN THAT VIEW OF IT, THEY SHOULD NOT, UH, I'M SORRY, BE, UH, UTILIZING THE BONUS FOR THAT, THEN, THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE TIED TO THE BONUS IN THE LANGUAGE, WHICH THEY ARE TIED TO THE BONUS. 
          IS THIS WHY WE'VE CHANGED 
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THE, THE LANGUAGE FROM SPECIAL PROJECT TO TRY TO TIE IT TO SECTION ONE 16 SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO TREAT DEVELOPERS INTO PAYING MORE. 
          LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT, I BRIEFED THIS BODY ABOUT SPECIAL PROJECTS A LITTLE BIT IN IN THE PAST. 
          I DON'T LIKE THE SPECIAL PROJECT IDEA BECAUSE IT CAN, NOT TO TRICK DEVELOPERS, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO, BUT BECAUSE IT'S, IT MAY SET THE EXPECTATION THAT EVERYTHING IS BUNDLED TOGETHER INTO ONE NEAT ZONING PACKAGE WHEN IN ONE BONUS OR ONE PACKAGE OF, UH, UH, PUBLIC, PUBLIC GOODS. 
          BUT IT REALLY MAY NOT BE ALWAYS AN INTERPRETATION. 
          UM, IT'S ABOUT SETTING EXPECTATIONS FOR COMMUNITY PUBLIC OFFICIALS, THAT PARTICULAR DISCUSSION. 
          THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR STAFF. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE GET TO OUR SPEAKERS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR FOLKS ONLINE? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I JUST ASKED THE, UH, WHO READY FOR THE HEARING? ANYBODY WANTS DONE GOOD EVENING. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WELL, WE'RE, I'M NEVER LETTING HIM WRITE THIS ABOUT THIS S**T THIS WAY. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS, THEY'RE JUST TRICK F*****G THESE PEOPLE. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          TOMMY MAN, 500 WINSTEAD BUILDING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO TAKE MY THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS THAT LANGUAGE, BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT IN THE Q AND A AND GIVE OUR PERSPECTIVE ON IT. 
          I WANT TO USE THIS TIME TO TRY AND GIVE YOU ALL AN OVERVIEW OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, THIS PROJECT CONSTITUTES A PARTNERSHIP OF THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY STOCKDALE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS IN HEINZ. 
          IT'S THE KNOX PROMENADE PROJECT AT MCKINNEY AND ARMSTRONG. 
          IT'S GOT 400 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND IT'S SPLIT ZONE. 
          TODAY WE'RE PROPOSING TO BRING IT ALL INTO A SINGLE PDS AND PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE TRACT. 
          THIS SLIDE JUST SHOWS YOU WHERE THOSE ZONINGS ARE TODAY AS YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN. 
          JUST STARTING AT THE TOP LEFT AND GOING CLOCKWISE. 
          THIS TOWER IS MULTIFAMILY. 
          THIS TOWER IS OFFICE. 
          THIS IS A SENIOR HOUSING TOWER AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. 
          IT WILL PROVIDE EVERYTHING FROM INDEPENDENT LIVING TO THE FULL SPECTRUM OF CARE UP THROUGH MEMORY CARE, UH, AND REALLY IS AN EXCITING ELEMENT TO ADD TO A MIXED USE PROJECT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK YOU'VE SEEN ONE THAT INCLUDES THAT. 
          AND THEN HERE, THIS IS THE EXISTING SERENA AND LILLY BUILDING THAT IS THE CLOSEST TO THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SOUTH OF US. 
          WE'VE INTENTIONALLY DECIDED TO LEAVE IT THERE TO SERVE AS A TRANSITION AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY FRONTAGE AND THE DENSER PORTION OF THE PROJECT. 
          THE DESIGN THAT OUR EXTREMELY TALENTED TEAM IS GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH IS THE PRODUCT OF OVER 20 COMMUNITY MEETINGS, INCLUDING WITH THE OK LAWN COMMITTEE, LARGER TOWN HALL TYPE MEETINGS AND INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH STAKEHOLDERS ALL THROUGHOUT THE AREA. 
          UH, IT WAS FILED BACK IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR. 
          WE BEGAN THOSE MEETINGS PRIOR TO THAT. 
          SO IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO ARRIVE AT A PLAN THAT BURIES ALL OF THE PARKING, DELIVERS A MIXTURE OF USES, PRIORITIZES THE PEDESTRIAN OVER THE VEHICLE, DELIVERS USES THAT DON'T EXIST IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS NOT HURTING FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THERE IS NO HIGH QUALITY SENIOR HOUSING ALONG KNOX TODAY. 
          AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD TO YOU TODAY. 
          I'M GONNA LET THE DESIGN TEAM WALK YOU THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF IT, UH, AND WE'LL BE VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTER THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, TOMMY. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, EVAN BEATTY WITH GFF DESIGN 30 30 NASKI WAY IN DALLAS, UH, RECOGNIZING THE LATE HOUR OF THE NIGHT. 
          I'LL BE BRIEF IN MY REMARKS. 
          UH, THIS PROJECT REPRE REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT REG GREENING OF AN IMPORTANT SITE IN THE KNOX DISTRICT, REPLACING SURFACE PARKED, STRIPPED RETAIL WITH THE BELOW GRADE PARKED PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TODAY. 
          SURFACE PARKING REPRESENTS MORE THAN HALF OF THE LAND USE ON THIS SITE. 
          UH, JUST A BLOCK SOUTH OF KNOX STREET, ONE OF DALLAS'S MOST NOT WALKABLE STREETS. 
          UH, THE, UH, GARAGE WILL ALLOW US TO FILL THE SITE WITH 99 NEW TREES, INCLUDING SIGNIFICANT SPECIMEN TREE, UH, THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT RENDERING. 
          UH, THE PROJECT WILL INCLUDE WIDE SIDEWALKS. 
          YOU'RE SEEING A 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK ALONG, UH, ALONG MCKINNEY HERE, UH, AND LOW LOT COVERAGE, UH, 55% LOT COVERAGE BELOW 36 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND JUST 37% LOT COVERAGE FOR THE PORTIONS OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE GREATER THAN 145 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
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UH, AND THAT LOW LOW GARAGE, UH, THAT LOW LOCK COVERAGE IS MADE POSSIBLE BY, UH, THE BELOW GRADE PARKING THAT SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN BELOW GRADE PARKING. 
          UH, THE HEINZ AND KNOCKDOWN TEAMS AND STOCKDALE TEAMS ARE FOCUSED ON THIS BEING A QUALITY LEGACY PROJECT WITH SIGNIFICANT EMPHASIS ON SUSTAINABILITY. 
          AND HINZ HAS AN INCREDIBLE REPUTATION NATIONALLY FOR DELIVERING BEST IN CLASS MIXED USE PROJECTS. 
          WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE THEM INTERESTED IN INVESTING HERE. 
          UH, BRINGING 282 MULTIFAMILY UNITS AND 220 SENIOR LIVING ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE UNITS, UH, TO ONE OF DALLAS'S MOST WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          NOW I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO ANDREW CLAIRE, UH, TO SPEAK MORE ABOUT THE BUILDING DESIGNS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ANDREW CLAIRE CO. 
          PATTERSON FOX, UH, 11 WEST 42ND STREET, NEW YORK, NEW YORK. 
          UM, AND ALLUDING TO WHAT EVAN WAS JUST DESCRIBING, WE HAVE THE SPECIMEN TREE. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT YOU NOTICE, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS RENDERING IS REALLY THE ESSENCE OF WHAT IS THE KNOX DISTRICT. 
          WE LOOK AT A, A DISTRICT THAT'S GOT ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF VARIETY OF PURPOSE BEING OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL, UH, RETAIL. 
          UH, WE ALSO START TO SEE, UH, A WALKABLE DISTRICT WHERE THE SIDEWALKS, UH, ARE FRIENDLY, ARE POPULATED WITH TREES, LINED WITH RETAIL, AND REALLY SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, ALLOWS US TO BE A DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE OF ALL OF DALLAS. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR RENDERING, YOU SEE THAT SPECIMEN TREE THERE ON THE AXES. 
          AND WHEN WE GO INTO THE SITE, WE START TO LOOK AT HOW THE, EACH ONE OF THE INDEPENDENT BUILDINGS, BE IT THE MULTIFAMILY, THE OFFICE OR THE SENIOR LIVING, HAVE LOBBIES THAT LOOK INTO THE HEART OR TOWARDS THAT SPECIMEN TREE. 
          SO WE WANNA BRING AN 18 HOUR A DAY LIVE WORK, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT HERE THAT THEY CAN SPILL OUT INTO THE KNOX DISTRICT. 
          AND YOU START TO LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE ARCHITECTURE FROM THE MUTTONS AND THE EXPRESSION OF SOME OF THE OLDER BUILDINGS THAT ARE FURTHER DOWN ON EITHER ARMSTRONG OR FURTHER DOWN MCKINNEY. 
          BUT THEN YOU ALSO CAN START TO LOOK AT TO, UM, THE SERENA AND LILY BUILDING BEHIND THAT. 
          UH, THERE'S THIS AREA THAT WE'VE NOW TURNED INTO THE GROVE, AND SO EVAN TALKS ABOUT THE 99 TREES WE'VE ADDED OR THAT WILL BE ON SITE. 
          SO THIS GROVE THEN BECOMES REALLY A PUBLIC HEART AGAIN FOR THAT 18 HOUR A DAY LIFESTYLE AND REALLY INVITING THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS TO COME TO THE KNOX DISTRICT AND HAVE RELIEF VERSUS WHAT WE HAD THERE AS PARKING LOTS. 
          WITH THAT, I SAY THANK YOU, AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          HI, MY NAME IS JOE PASTORA AND I AM WITH STOCKDALE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I WANNA THANK MR. CHAIR, MR. VICE CHAIR, AND, UH, THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS HERE. 
          I WON'T BE TOO LONG. 
          I'LL TRY NOT TO USE THE WHOLE TIME. 
          UH, I KNOW WE'VE ALL BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I ACTUALLY SAT IN ON THE 9:00 AM SO I'M LOOKING AT THE CLOCK. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE OVER 12 HOURS. 
          UM, BEEN A LONG DAY, SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, WANTED TO ALSO THANK COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          UH, SHE WAS ALSO ALONG THE RIDE WITH US AS WE WERE KIND OF IMPLEMENTING THIS AND HAVING, LIKE TOMMY SAID, 20 COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY FOLKS, GOING OVER THIS PLAN. 
          UM, SHE GAVE US GREAT INSIGHT INTO WHAT WE COULD AND COULDN'T DO. 
          AND FRANKLY, WE WERE EXCITED TO HAVE HER INPUT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND REALLY, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. 
          IT'S A LABOR, A LABOR OF LOVE. 
          UH, BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY OVER 12 YEARS AGO IN 2012, STARTED THINKING ABOUT THIS PLAN IN EARNEST IN 2020. 
          SINCE THEN, WE ASSEMBLED A GREAT TEAM WITH KPF HEINZ AND GFF TO HELP US EXECUTE THIS AMAZING PLAN. 
          WE PUT TOGETHER A, A GREAT PROJECT IN MY OPINION, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE FROM THE RENDERINGS. 
          AND WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO DALLAS WITH THE STAFF APPROVAL, UH, RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL ALSO APPROVE THIS AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, PLEASE. 
          COME ON DOWN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD E GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ADAM MURPHY AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE. 
          UM, ADDRESS 20, UH, 2028 RUTH STREET, SUITE 100. 
          UM, STOCKDALE HINES DID PRESENT THEIR KNOX PROMENADE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL TO THE COM TO THE FULL COMMITTEE, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO OFFER OUR FULL SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, WE REALLY APPRECIATED THEIR, UH, WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE AND, AND, AND COME BACK AND ENGAGE AND LISTEN TO OUR FEEDBACK AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THEIR PLANS AND ALSO THEIR EXTENSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH. 
          AND SO WE ARE HAPPY TO THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE'S, HAPPY TO OFFER OUR SUPPORT TODAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, BOTH SIDES. 
          NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE 
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YOUR COMMENTS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S ERICA BACHMAN. 
          I'M AT 44 11 MCKINNEY AVENUE DALLAS. 
          I'VE BEEN AN OWNER SINCE 2002 WHEN WE WERE ACROSS THE STREET FROM AN ARMY, NAVY STORE. 
          I WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS IN 2003 WHEN THIS COMMISSION AND CITY, CITY COUNCIL PUT IN PLACE DEED RESTRICTIONS TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AND THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE THINGS LIKE LIGHTING, SIGNS, PARKING, BUT THE FOUR THAT WERE MOST IMPORTANT TO ME WERE RESTRICTING THE HOURS OF THE BUSINESSES THEY HAVE TO CLOSE AT 11:00 PM DURING THE WEEK, MIDNIGHT ON THE WEEKENDS, PROTECTION FROM NOISE. 
          THEY HAVE TO HAVE DOUBLE DOOR VESTIBULES, CLOSED WINDOWS, INSULATED WALLS, NO OUTDOOR RESTAURANT SEATING ACROSS FROM OUR HOMES. 
          AND NO OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AND PROTECTION FROM SMELLS. 
          UH, RESTAURANTS HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL FILTRATION SYSTEM. 
          THERE ARE RULES ABOUT WHERE THE DUMPSTERS CAN BE AND PROTECTION FROM USES THAT DON'T FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, BOARDING HOUSES, PAWN SHOPS, DRY CLEANERS, AMUSEMENT PARKS, AUTO REPAIR. 
          IF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE LIFTED NOW, THEY'LL BE GONE IF THE DEVELOPER CHANGES THE PLANS, THAT'S IT. 
          UM, AND THE CITY HAS ENFORCED THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS VIA A LAWSUIT IN 2006 AGAINST KNOX PROMENADE. 
          THERE WERE MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          A VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE OF US WHO SPOKE AT THOSE MEETINGS, AND THOSE I TALKED TO AFTERWARD, WERE OPPOSED. 
          THE TWO REASONS I'M OPPOSED ARE PRIMARILY THE HEIGHT. 
          THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A 400 FOOT TOWER ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR THREE STORY HOMES. 
          UM, I DIDN'T CHOOSE TO LIVE AMONG TALL BUILDINGS. 
          I WOULD'VE, THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT OPTIONS DOWNTOWN. 
          I THINK SOMETHING, MAYBE HALF THAT HEIGHT WOULD BE FINE ALONG CENTRAL OR MAYBE NORTH OF ARMSTRONG, BUT THAT TENDS TO BE A DIVIDING LINE. 
          NORTH OF ARMSTRONG IS ALL COMMERCIAL. 
          I DON'T KNOW OF ANY RESIDENTIAL IN BETWEEN, LIKE ON OUR BLOCKS ALONG MCKINNEY THERE. 
          UM, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A FIVE TO SEVEN STORY BUILDING COULD FIT THERE ON MCKINNEY AVENUE, BUT I DON'T SEE A 400 FOOT TOWER ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOME. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE IS OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC. 
          UM, 75 AND KNOX ARE ALREADY OUR EXIT BACKS UP ON 75. 
          AND THEN WHILE THEY'RE, I'M SURE WILL BE DESIGNATED PARKING OR DELIVERY AREAS, OBVIOUSLY UBERS DON'T USUALLY FOLLOW THOSE. 
          THEY, WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT BEHIND US. 
          THEY JUST STOP ALONG THE STREET. 
          SO I'M OPPOSED PRIMARILY TO THE CHANGE IN THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION AND LIFTING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE REJECT THE PROPOSED CHANGES WITH PREJUDICE TO ANYTHING OVER ABOUT SEVEN STORIES ON MCKINNEY AVENUE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND HOPEFULLY PROTECTING MY HOME. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, MR. MANN, GET YOUR REBUTTAL, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TOMMY MANN 500 WINSTEAD BUILDING. 
          I'LL JUST TRY TO RESPOND SUCCINCTLY TO THE THREE POINTS RAISED. 
          FIRST, WITH RESPECT TO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, WE'RE ASKING TO TERMINATE THEM, BUT WE DID PICK UP CONTROLS LIKE THE ONE SHE WAS REFERENCING AND PLACE THEM IN THE PD CONDITIONS. 
          IF YOU LOOK IN THE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS, WE STILL PROVIDE THAT THE USES MUST CLOSE BY 11, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE EARLIER THAN THE CURRENT DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          WE RESTRICT OUTDOOR NOISE AND AMPLIFICATION SYSTEMS BY BOTH DECIBEL LEVELS AND UH, HOURS. 
          UH, SO THOSE JUST GO FROM THE DE RESTRICTIONS INTO THE PD CONDITIONS. 
          THEY'RE NOT JUST BEING WIPED AWAY COMPLETELY, THEY'RE JUST BEING MEMORIALIZED DIFFERENTLY. 
          UH, WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS MORE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS IN LINE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAN PROBABLY ANY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          THERE'S NEW STOPLIGHTS COMING AT MCKINNEY AND COLE, MCKINNEY AND ARMSTRONG, UH, COLE AND MCKINNEY WILL BE TWO-WAY AND THE ENTIRE KNOX STREET WILL BE REDONE AS A COMPLETE STREET WITH MODERNIZED TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT. 
          YES, DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING HERE, BUT YES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY BEING UPGRADED SIMULTANEOUSLY TO ACCOMMODATE IT. 
          WITH RESPECT TO HEIGHT, WE HAVE 400 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON, ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          THIS IS THE RIGHT SPOT FOR DENSITY. 
          WE ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS STILL LOW RISE RESIDENTIAL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS DESIGN IS INFORMED BY THAT AND THE WAY WE'VE LAID IT OUT AND THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE CHOSEN TO PRESERVE, TO PRESERVE THAT SCALE. 
          AND WE THINK THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO CREATE BY BEARING ALL THE PARKING WILL STILL HAVE A GREAT WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL THAT'S FRANKLY BETTER THAN THE SURFACE PARKED RETAIL THAT'S THERE TODAY. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          QUESTIONS FOR OUR, UH, SPEAKERS AND SUPPORT 
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COMMISSIONER RUBEN? SO I WANNA GET INTO THE, UH, FOUR POINT 1105 LANGUAGE. 
          I, I, I THINK I FOLLOW, I'M NOT GONNA SAY I UNDERSTAND, FOLLOW ALL THE DETAILS OF THE 28 ISSUE, BUT, BUT JUST SPEAKING TO IT IN MORE GENERAL TERMS, THE APPLICANT'S CONCERN IS NOT PROVIDING INFORMATION ABOUT NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA TO THE CITY. 
          IT'S HOW THE CITY AND IN PARTICULAR THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT WILL USING THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA DATA IN CALCULATING THE FEE AND LIE. 
          IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? THAT IS FAIR. 
          AND WHEN I DO PD CONDITIONS, OF COURSE I CAN'T TOUCH CHAPTER 20 A BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          SO WE PICKED A PROVISION IN 51 A THAT WE COULD USE. 
          HOPEFULLY, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE STANDALONE OFFICE BUILDINGS FLOOR AREA WOULD NOT BE USED IN THE CALCULATION OF THE FEE AND LIE. 
          I WISH IT WAS EASY ENOUGH THAT I COULD JUST SAY THAT. 
          BUT THE WAY WE DO PDS, I COULDN'T, WHAT I HEARD FROM THE CITY ATTORNEYS ANSWER TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON WAS, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY. 
          THAT'S THE CASE. 
          THEN THE LANGUAGE IS, I AGREE, UNNECESSARY, BUT THEN I'M NOT SURE I HEARD THE SAME THING FROM STAFF. 
          AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE ISSUE HAS BEEN DIFFERENT ON ANOTHER PROJECT DOWN THE STREET AND THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE BELIEVE THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS MISINTERPRETING IS IN 20 A, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          AND SO IF, IF THE ANSWER IS STRIKE THE LANGUAGE AND THAT ISSUE NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED SEPARATELY 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT A LAND USE ISSUE AND IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. 
          I DON'T DISPUTE THAT NECESSARILY. 
          I JUST, IT IS, I KNOW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT MONEY, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR TO $7 MILLION HERE. 
          IT'S NOT NOTHING. 
          SO IT, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IMPACTFUL. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A LAWYER, YOU TRY TO LOOK FOR, FOR CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO, TO CHALLENGES THAT YOUR CLIENT. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT, AND TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE COULD DO THIS PROJECT WITHOUT PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM. 
          THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          WE WOULD HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM EITHER WITH THE UNITS OR BY PAYING THE FEE BEFORE WE GOT ANY OF THE THINGS WE JUST OUTLINED. 
          WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET AT HOW THE FEE WOULD BE CALCULATED. 
          AND I PICKED THE ONLY SECTION OF THE CODE THAT I'M ALLOWED TO TOUCH THAT GOT CLOSE TO IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. MANN. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, MR. CHAIR? UH, SORRY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HAN, WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER SLEEP OR FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UH, MR. MANN, THIS, THIS QUESTION MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN ONCE BETWEEN COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S QUESTIONING WITH STAFF EARLIER AND THE COMMENTS YOU JUST MADE, BUT IF IT WAS ANSWERED I COULDN'T HEAR IT OR DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. 
          SO MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME IS THERE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT AND IF SO, WHAT IS IT? YES, WE ARE PROPOSING 5% OF THE UNITS. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS OBVIOUSLY SPLIT BETWEEN 61 TO 80 AND 80 TO 100. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON PLEASE AND THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          MR. MANN, CAN YOU WALK THROUGH THE HEIGHT MAP? YES. 
          AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW IT'S RELATING TO THE ADJACENT, UM, RESIDENCES. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, DIRECTLY NORTH, BUT THEN THE SENIOR LIVING, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A COMPONENT. 
          IT'S 60 FEET IN OUR HEIGHT MAP THAT WRAPS THE CORNER CLOSEST TO THEM, AND THEN THE MAIN TOWER GOES UP AT 257 FEET. 
          YEAH, I, IT MAY BE BETTER IF ANDREW, IF YOU WANNA WALK 'EM THROUGH WHAT THE HEIGHT MAP IS DOING IS TRYING TO TWO DIMENSIONALLY REPRESENT TO YOU AND CODIFIED FOR YOU THE WAYS IN WHICH THESE BUILDINGS GET SMALLER. 
          AS THEY GET TALLER. 
          UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS ARE IDENTIFIED ON THERE, BUT AS YOU GET OUTSIDE THOSE CORE AREAS, YOU SEE WHERE THE BUILDING STARTS TO STEP DOWN. 
          I'LL LET ANDREW KIND OF EXPLAIN IT MORE. 
          YOU MAY JUST DO IT ON THAT. 
          ON THIS ONE, I JUST NEED KIND OF A SUPER HIGH LEVEL. 
          I'M, I'M READING THE MAP, BUT I'M TRYING TO GO BETWEEN A TABLE AND A DIAGRAM. 
          SO YEAH, MAYBE YOU GO FLOOR BY FLOOR. 
          YOU HAVE THE FLOOR BY FLOOR. 
          OH, I SEE, I SEE, I SEE. 
          SHE'S JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HEIGHT MAP SHOWS ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          VERY GOOD, RIGHT, HOW IT'S STEPPING BACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I FOLLOW NOW. 
          UM, SO YES, AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING, THIS IS AT OUR 36, UH, FOOT SETBACK WHERE WE START TO SEE THEN THE AMENITY LEVELS, THEN PUSHING BACK FOR THE MULTIFAMILY ON THE 
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TOP LEFT. 
          UM, THEN WE BEGIN TO GO UP, UM, BASICALLY FROM THAT MULTIFAMILY STRAIGHT UP UNTIL OUR 400 FEET. 
          THE OFFICE, UM, STOPS, UH, OR IS REALLY JUST AN EXTRUDED BUILDING COMING UP. 
          AND THEN THE MULTIFAMILY IN AN EFFORT TO, UH, DEAL WITH THE PROGRAM CHANGES THAT WERE DESCRIBED EARLIER. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE LOW BASE HERE, WHICH THEN, UM, BEGINS TO STEP BACK AND PULL AWAY. 
          SO WE ALLOW THOSE UNITS TO HAVE, UH, WINDOWS AND SEPARATION FROM THE OFFICE AND THEN THAT GOES UP TO THE TWO 90. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN DID I READ THAT THERE'S, UM, I'M GONNA CALL IT URBAN FORM SETBACK. 
          I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE TERMINOLOGY THAT YOU USED, BUT YOU ADDRESSED THE BOTH ARMSTRONG AND THE KINNEY WITH OVERALL BUILDING SETBACKS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL SETBACKS THAT KICK IN ABOVE 36 FEET ON THE BUILDINGS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE COVERAGES THAT REDUCE AS THE BUILDINGS GET TALLER. 
          SO THE TOTAL, THE COVERAGE ALLOWED FOR, UM, THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S 36 FEET OR BELOW IS 55% FROM 36 TO 140 OR TWO FEET. 
          THAT LOWERS ALL THE WAY TO 40. 
          AND THEN ABOVE THAT IT GOES DOWN TO 37. 
          BUT YOU HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          YOU HAVE THE HYPE MAP, YOU HAVE THE ADDITIONAL SETBACKS, YOU HAVE THE REDUCING COVERAGE, WHICH ARE ALL WAYS OF SORT OF TRYING TO, WITH WORDS AND TWO DIMENSIONAL EXHIBITS ACCURATELY CODIFY WHAT YOU SEE IN THE RENDERINGS. 
          SO YOUR PINK MAX IS OUT AT 2 57, THE BLUE MAX IS OUT AT 2 89, AND THEN IT'S KIND OF THAT YELLOW, YOU KNOW, TOWER. 
          AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND IT STEPS IS THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MAIN PORTION, THAT'S THE MOST SIGNIFICANT HEIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT? THE MULTIFAMILY IS THE TALLEST OF THE THREE, YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE YELLOW. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, YOU WANNA READ THE MESSAGE? YEAH, SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET WITH SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, UM, KIND OF GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON THIS DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING. 
          UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA READ ALOUD ONE OF THE MESSAGES WE RECEIVED FROM THEM. 
          UM, THEY SAID IF BUILDINGS OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ON THE SITE INTEND TO USE THE BONUS FROM THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, UH, THEY MUST ALLOCATE THOSE UNITS AND THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OR PAY THE FEE IN LIEU OF PROVIDING THOSE, UM, AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. 
          UM, IT MEANS THAT IF THERE IS, UH, MORE THAN 20% NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA AS PART OF THE BUILDING SITE AS A WHOLE, WHICH FOR THIS PROJECT INCLUDES THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AS WELL AS TWO NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, THEN THE FLOOR AREA FOR THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IS INCLUDED IN THE FEE IN LIEU CALCULATION BECAUSE THERE ARE BONUSES TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THOSE TWO OTHER BUILDINGS THAT THEY ARE UTILIZING THROUGH THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM. 
          SO IF THEY WANT THE BONUSES FROM THE PROGRAM, THEY HAVE TO PAY INTO THE PROGRAM, UH, AS A FEE IN LIEU OR PROVIDE THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS ON THE SITE. 
          AND HOW DOES ONE DECIDE THAT BONUSES ARE BEING PROVIDED FOR THROUGH THE FEE AND LIE PROGRAM AS OPPOSED TO JUST ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE AWARDED THROUGH THIS BODY? THAT'S ALL DETERMINED. 
          UM, DURING REVIEW OF THE PD, JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER, UH, PD INVOLVING MIXED INCOME HOUSING, WE HAD ANOTHER ONE ON THE DOCKET TODAY THAT WAS A BIT SIMPLER THIS THAN THIS ONE. 
          UM, THERE WAS A 12 FOOT BONUS TO MAX HEIGHT IF THEY PROVIDED 5% OF THE UNITS AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE. 
          THE SAME IS TRUE HERE. 
          UH, WE DETERMINE A BASE FOR THE AREA FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BE IT HEIGHT OR FLOOR AREA RATIO DWELLING, UNIT DENSITY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          UM, AND FROM THAT BASE, A BONUS IS PROPOSED IF AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE PROVIDED OR A FEE IN LIEU IS PAID, UM, THAT WAS DONE HERE. 
          AND THOSE BONUSES IN THIS CASE ARE TO HEIGHTENED FLOOR AREA RATIO. 
          AS MICHAEL SAID EARLIER, UM, THEY'RE MUCH GREATER THAN WHAT THE BASE FOR THIS AREA WOULD OTHERWISE BE. 
          UM, SO IF THEY WANT TO ATTAIN THOSE BONUSES BY PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR PAYING INTO THE PROGRAM, UM, IF THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA IS GREATER THAN 20% OF THE BUILDING SITE, THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA IS INCLUDED IN THE FEE IN LIEU 
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CALCULATION. 
          OTHERWISE, THOSE, UM, TWO OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS AND THE WRONG RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WOULD JUST BE SUBJECT TO THE BASE HEIGHT AND FAR OF THE PD. 
          THAT IS NOT, UH, THE INTERPRETATION YOU GOT FROM LEGAL THOUGH, RIGHT? THAT'S SOMEBODY FROM A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, DANIEL DID SAY THAT HIS READING OF THE, UH, CONDITION, UH, I'M SORRY, THE PROVISION THAT YOU CITED ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL USES, HIS INTERPRETATION, UM, WAS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I JUST SAID. 
          HOWEVER, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER DURING THE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THERE IS ANOTHER PROVISION, UM, IN CHAPTER 28, WHICH AGAIN IS PERTINENT TO THIS DISCUSSION. 
          UM, THAT SAYS IF THE FLOOR AREA DEVOTED TO NON-RESIDENTIAL USES AND MORE THAN 20% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA, THE FEE IS CALCULATED BY MULTIPLYING THE APPLICABLE SQUARE FOOT AMOUNT AND SECTION DAH, DAH, DAH, DAH BY THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA. 
          UM, OTHERWISE THE FEE IS CALCULATED, UM, JUST USING THE RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE THAN 20% NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA. 
          I'M JUST ASKING WHATEVER INTERPRETATION YOU JUST READ, THAT'S NOT THE FINAL WORD FROM LEGAL, RIGHT? UH, YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, UM, THE OPPOSITE, WHAT DANIEL SAID EARLIER IS ALSO THE FINAL WORD FROM FROM LEGAL AS DANIEL SAID, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DOES NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL LEGAL OPINION ON, ON THIS ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          THINK I'M SORRY IF I MISSED. 
          I THINK BOTH OF THOSE CHARACTERIZATIONS ARE CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. 
          SURE. 
          NOT SO, SO I STILL WASN'T CLEAR ON, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S QUESTION WHEN SHE SAID IF THERE ARE OTHER ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE GIVEN, IS THAT BECOME THE DISCRETION OF THE PLAN COMMISSIONER MAKING THE MOTION TO SAY THAT THOSE ENTITLEMENTS WERE GIVEN AND THEY WEREN'T GIVEN IN A QUID PRO QUO FOR THE, THE FEE IN LIEU OR THE, THE, UH, UNITS, UH, THAT'S DISCRETIONARY NOT ONLY FOR THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER, BUT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS CITY STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, WHAT I WOULD ADD IS YES, THOSE ENTITLEMENTS CAN BE GRANTED. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE GRANTED IN THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS HOW THE PD IS DRAFTED AT THIS TIME. 
          SAY, SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK UP ON THE LAST HALF OF WHAT YOUR ANSWER WAS? I DON'T. 
          THOSE ENTITLEMENTS COULD CERTAINLY BE GRANTED THROUGH THE ZONING CHANGE PROCESS. 
          WE DON'T FIND THAT THOSE ENTITLEMENTS SHOULD BE GRANTED WITH THE EXPECTATION TO THE PUBLIC AND OTHERS THAT THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE M-I-H-D-B PROGRAM, WHICH IS HOW THE PD IS DRAFTED AT THIS TIME. 
          THEY COULD BE WRITTEN SEPARATELY, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN THIS ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE WRITTEN SUCH THAT, OH, THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM, IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOVE THE HEIGHT. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COMES THROUGH IN THE STAFF REPORT OR ARE YOU EXPECTING A PLAN COMMISSION TO ARTICULATE THAT? THE EXPECTATION OR, OR JUST WHAT TRIGGERS THE BONUS? WHAT TRIGGERS THE BONUS IS IN THE CONDITIONS RIGHT THERE, WE HAVE A BASE HEIGHT AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WHEN YOU PROVIDE, WHEN YOU PARTICIPATE IN, IN MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, BONUS SPEAKER BUTTON TO WORK. 
          UM, AND I DO WANNA CLARIFY THAT, UM, UH, ANY ABILITY TO ACHIEVE THOSE DEVELOPMENT BONUSES, UM, THOSE ARE INCENTIVES, UM, THAT PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM IS AN INCENTIVE. 
          IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. 
          WE CAN'T LEGALLY REQUIRE THAT AFFORDABLE UNITS BE CON UH, INCLUDED, BUT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE THEIR INCLUSION OR AGAIN, PAYING A FEE IN LIEU OF, OF INCLUSION. 
          MR. SLEEPER, SO YOU'LL, PARDON ME IF I'M A LITTLE SLOW ON THE UPTAKE HERE, BUT I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THERE IS A, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT. 
          WELL, LEMME LEMME LET ME FINISH MY STATEMENT BEFORE YOU TOTALLY SHAKE ME OFF. 
          UM, THAT, I MEAN, I I DON'T THINK, MAYBE I MAY BE WRONG. 
          MAYBE THEY DID THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE THERE WAS ANY INCENTIVE OR NOT. 
          IF I'M, IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT, PLEASE RAISE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND TELL ME, BUT WHILE HE'S WALKING UP HERE, I JUST WANT TO SAY I, I I I THINK I'M HEARING YOU SAY THAT THERE IS, THERE ARE AFFORDABLE UNITS REQUIRED, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S A FEE IN LIEU REQUIRED OR NO. 
          SO THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE WE CANNOT REQUIRE ANY DEVELOPER TO INCLUDE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE PROJECT. 
          HOWEVER, WE CAN OFFER INCENTIVES THAT INCENTIVIZE THEM, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE UNITS. 
          AND THOSE INCENT INCENTIVES 
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ARE IN THE FORM OF BONUSES TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE ZONING ENTITLEMENTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED. 
          UM, THE TWO WAYS TO ACHIEVE THOSE BONUSES TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IS TO PROVIDE THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS ON THE SITE. 
          SO THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME OF THE DWELLING UNITS IN THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ARE, UM, AT, I THINK WE, IT, IT DEPENDS, BUT IT'S AFFORDABLE TO FOLKS THAT MAKE LESS THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF AREA MEETING INCOME. 
          YOU CAN PROVIDE THOSE ON SITE OR YOU CAN PAY A FEE IN LIEU OF PROVIDING THOSE UNITS ON SITE. 
          THAT FEE IS PAID TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT. 
          IT GOES INTO A POT OF MONEY, UH, THAT CAN BE USED TO, UM, CONSTRUCT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. 
          BUT IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY, IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE DOING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO NO, NO, THE WAY THE PROGRAM WORKS, SORRY. 
          THE WAY THE PROGRAM WORKS, YOU HAVE TO SAY THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO GET THE BONUS, BUT AT TIME OF PERMIT YOU CAN EITHER PROVIDE THE UNITS OR PAY THE FEE. 
          SO COMMISSIONER SLEEPER IT, IT'S AN OR YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU SAID AND, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S AN OR SO, SO THERE WAS A CALCULATION TO GET THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS, BUT THE ALTERNATIVE IS, AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY DOING THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT YOU CAN PAY THE FEE IN LIEU, YOU CAN PAY THE FEE IN LIEU. 
          I, I KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS. 
          IF I CAN HAVE THE FLOOR FOR A SECOND. 
          I DON'T I KNOW YOU'RE, IT'S A LOT OF PRESSURE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          BUT, BUT I, WELL, I'M JUST GONNA BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH Y'ALL. 
          SO THE TO RIGHT NOW THE YARD LOT AND SPACE SECTION BEGINS WITH, IF WE DO THE MIXED INCOME BONUS PROGRAM, WE GET THESE THINGS AND THOSE THINGS INCLUDE THE HEIGHT ON THE OFFICE BUILDING. 
          IF WE CLARIFIED IN THE CONDITIONS THAT THE MIXED INCOME BONUS WAS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING BUT WAS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK IT WOULD SOLVE THE ISSUE. 
          IT WOULD CREATE THE THEORETICAL POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD BUILD THE OFFICE BUILDING AND NOTHING ELSE WITHOUT PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. 
          WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DO THAT. 
          IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO THIS MASSIVE OF A PROJECT AND CREATE A BIG RUSE FOR YOU ALL WITH TWO BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE NEVER GONNA BUILD. 
          SO WE CAN GET AN OFFICE BUILDING, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY LOGICAL SENSE, BUT TECHNICALLY, LEGALLY THAT WOULD FIX THE PROBLEM. 
          THE OFFICE BUILDING WOULD NOT BE TIED TO THE AFFORDABLE BONUS. 
          AND I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING STAFF'S POSITION AND LEGALS TO BE DETERMINED LATER POSITION, IT WOULDN'T MATTER AT THAT POINT. 
          WHAT WOULD THE HEIGHT OF THE OFFICE BUILDING BE AT THAT POINT? THE SAME, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE SAME AS THE BASE OR THE SAME AS WOULDN'T HAVE TO PARTIC NO, IT WOULD BE THE 399 FEET THAT WE HAVE. 
          IT JUST WOULDN'T HAVE TO SATISFY THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS PROGRAM TO REACH THAT. 
          SO YOU WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR BUILDING OCCUPIED BY OFFICE USES AS X, Y, Z PERIOD. 
          NO CONNECTION TO MIXED INCOME HOUSING AS IT'S, AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE CODE. 
          SO CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY WHAT IS ALLOWING FOR THAT HEIGHT IS THE FACT THAT IT'S TIED TO AN INCENTIVE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WOULD BE COMFORTABLE JUST ALLOWING A 290 FOOT OFFICE TOWER BY RIGHT. 
          AND MISSING OUT ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO TIE IT TO THAT INCENTIVE TO GET $3 MILLION FROM MY CLIENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE POINT IS, THERE'S A LOT IN THIS PD THAT, THAT JUSTIFIES INCREASED ENTITLEMENTS ABOUT ITS DESIGN, ITS SENSITIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE USED TO CONSIDER ZONING UNTIL IT BECAME NOTHING BUT A FEE AND LIE DISCUSSION. 
          SO MY POINT IS WE'LL PAY THE FEE AND LIEU WE'LL PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM ON THE RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          WE'LL CLARIFY THAT THAT PARTICIPATION IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS. 
          SO WE'D HAVE A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING THAT'S AT A MUCH LOWER HEIGHT, AND THEN WE INCENTIVIZE IT WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO GET IT TO A MUCH HIGHER HEIGHT THAT WE'RE A FANS OF TOMMY. 
          BUT THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS WILL JUST AUTOMATICALLY BE AT THAT HIGHER HEIGHT ALL ON ONE BUILDING SITE, ALL GETTING THAT HIGHER HEIGHT, ALL GETTING THAT MASSIVELY INCREASED FAR. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF COULD SUPPORT IN THIS INSTANCE. 
          GREAT. 
          I I'M TRYING TO SOLVE THE, THE ISSUE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT OUT THERE. 
          I TOLD YOU YOU WOULDN'T LIKE IT SOLVED PROBLEM. 
          IT'S OVER COMPLICATED NOW. 
          TOMMY. 
          IT SOLVED THE PROBLEM. 
          IT'S OVERCOMPLICATED NOW. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER, WHEN MIH PROGRAM FIRST STARTED OUT, THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE LITTLE WRINKLE THAT WE STUMBLED ON A COUPLE OF TIMES, IN FACT, MORE THAN A COUPLE OF TIMES, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT IS THE EXCHANGE TO SET THE BASE FROM WHERE THAT BASE THEN YOU, YOU JUMP OFF THAT POINT TO THEN OFFER THE BONUS AND WHERE YOU PUT THAT BASE WAS KIND OF WHAT TOMMY JUST SAID. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE OFFERING IN EXCHANGE FOR THE ENTITLEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK SOME FOLKS HERE ARE KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH WHAT IS THE BALANCE NOW, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GETTING AN, AN EXCHANGE OF ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE MH BONUS IN THE MULTI-FAMILY PIECE, BUT WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE OTHER 
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GIVE BACK TO THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE OTHER PUBLIC GOOD FOR THE OTHER REST OF THE ENTITLEMENTS, THE FAR HEIGHT THAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MIXED IN THERE BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO FIND THAT BALANCE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE HERE FROM THAT DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WE'RE NOW HAVING, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT THIS ISN'T REALLY THEIR, UH, THEIR WHEELHOUSE. 
          AND IN FACT, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE FROM THAT DEPARTMENT TO WALK US THROUGH THIS, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          NOW, THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER THINGS BESIDES, WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING WE DO MIXED INCOME AND WE CAN BUILD THIS PROJECT HOWEVER WE WANT, RIGHT? WE HAVE FULLY BELOW GRADE PARKING. 
          WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, WE HAVE SUSTAINABLE INITIATIVES, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SETBACKS, WE HAVE WIDER SIDEWALKS, WE HAVE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE URBAN DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF OTHER THAN JUST THAT. 
          BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS. 
          WE'RE NOT TRYING TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. 
          IT'S BEEN IN OUR APPLICATION SINCE WE SUBMITTED IT. 
          IF THE ANSWER IS STRIKE THE LANGUAGE STAFF WANTS STRUCK BECAUSE WE CAN PRESERVE THIS DISCUSSION BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL OR MAYBE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ULTIMATELY AGREES WITH US ANYWAY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WHAT I JUST PUT OUT THERE WOULD SOLVE THE ISSUE THAT STAFF IS LAYING OUT. 
          AND, AND WHAT I'M SAYING, TOMMY, IS THAT DOES NOT SOLVE STAFF CONCERNS BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT TO ASSESS AN OFFICE BUILDING IN AFFORDABLE FEE IN LIEU, WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'RE FOLLOWING, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES OF OUR PROGRAM. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF I, IF I MAY CHAIR, I WANNA GET US BACK TO THE BASICS, AND THIS IS FOR THE COMMISSION AS WELL. 
          IF THEY DON'T BUILD THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION AT ALL, ARE WE OKAY WITH AN OFFICE BUILDING ON THAT HEIGHT THAT WAS NOT REVIEWED BY STAFF LIKE THAT? THAT'S THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF US. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE BASE. 
          WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT HAD A MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT, AND THAT ALSO THE WAY WE REVIEWED IT WAS WITH A BONUS ATTACHED TO IT. 
          NOW THIS IS A MAJOR CHANGE. 
          SO THE, THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF STAFF AND OBVIOUSLY IN FRONT OF YOU CHANGES, AND THAT'S THE QUESTION, ARE WE COMFORTABLE TO JUST GIVE AWAY THAT HIGH RIGHT NOW WITHOUT, AGAIN, STAFF REVIEW OR ANY TYPE OF WELL, AND THAT IS A THEORETICALLY CORRECT, CORRECT QUESTION IS WHAT I SAID, BUT IT IS NOT PRACTICALLY REALISTIC. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS PROJECT WITHOUT ALL THREE BUILDINGS. 
          THIS IS LANDES WISE. 
          AND I WOULD, AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE COMMISSION AND FOR STAFF TO MAKE A LANDES RATIONALE ON WHY WE WOULD SUPPORT, UH, THAT HEIGHT OF AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT WE WAS NOT REVIEWED LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE NEED TO GO BACK TO LAND USE URBAN DESIGN RATIONALE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. 
          WE'RE NOT AGAIN TALKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK IATION, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I THINK I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          THE LOCATION THAT THE OFFICE BUILDING IS PROPOSED GENERALLY IS ZONED LC TODAY, WHICH IS A HEIGHT OF 240 FEET TODAY. 
          AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER COMPONENTS THAT HAS TO GO ABOUT THIS. 
          I CAN'T QUITE TELL IF IT'S SPLIT BETWEEN THE GR OR NOT, BUT I, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS 2 95. 
          SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, THE ADDITIONAL, AND AGAIN, I HAVEN'T DONE ALL THE  RATIOS AND ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS, BUT STRICTLY FROM A HEIGHT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 55 FEET. 
          WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YES, THAT IS ACCURATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          AND I MISSPOKE WHEN I SAID 3 99 ON THE OFFICE. 
          THAT'S THE MULTIFAMILY. 
          PARDON ME? I'M SORRY. 
          I DIDN'T, I MISSPOKE WHEN I SAID 3 99 ON THE OFFICE. 
          THAT'S THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I PROBABLY CREATED SOME OF THAT CONFUSION. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          THE QUESTION COULD BE ASKED, UM, IF THE CO THE SPEAKER ATTORNEY, MIKE, OFF THE QUESTION THAT COULD BE ASKED IS, UM, IS IS THERE ANY WAY, OH, HOLD ON Y'ALL, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, IF YOU, IF WE COULD HO WOULD WE BE ABLE, WELL WE, SHOULD WE HOLD IT UNTIL, HEY, WE CAN GET SOMEONE FROM HOUSING TO COME SPEAK, UM, TO IT, TO, TO WHAT'S THE, UH, MIX UP? OR IS THAT NOT EVEN, UM, IS THAT NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE OF WHICH, UM, WHAT IS IT THAT HE HAD TO FIND A WAY TO FIGURE OUT THE IN LIE? OR, OR, OR DO WE MOVE FORWARD? 
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MR. CHAIR? I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO MAYBE VEER INTO DISCUSSION OF THE ITEM. 
          I THINK IT MAY BE TIME. 
          I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE QUESTION WAS. 
          WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO DISCUSS WHETHER THE ITEM, SOMEONE, I THINK COMMISSIONER WHEELER MAY HAVE BEEN ASKING WHETHER THE ITEM SHOULD BE HELD OR NOT. 
          I, I THINK IF WE'RE GETTING INTO THAT DISCUSSION, THEN MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR A MOTION. 
          WE CAN YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT AT THE MOTION. 
          . 
          WELL, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, BUT I, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          WE WERE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? NO QUESTIONS. 
          WE'RE READY FOR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I THANK YOU. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 2 0 8, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I THINK I HAVE TO DO TWO MOTIONS. 
          ONE BEING TO REMOVE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          MR. MOORE, WE NEED TO, THERE I HAVE TO DO TWO MOTIONS, RIGHT? WE TYPICALLY DO IT AS A SINGLE MOTION, BUT WE CAN DIVIDE THE QUESTION IF THAT'S, WE CAN TAKE THEM TURN. 
          NO, I CAN, I CAN DO IT AS ONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LEMME START OVER. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH TWO EIGHT, MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DATED APRIL 26TH, 2024, THE HYPE PLAN. 
          AND, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE DISREGARDING STAFFS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS I WANNA OFFER AND TERMINATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          Z 2 0 2 3 DASH 1 54 Z 0 2 3 DASH 2 71 Z 0 2 3 DASH 2 72, AND Z 0 2 3 DASH 2 73 AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          MY, UM, PROPOSED CHANGES ARE AS FOLLOWS IN SECTION 1 0 9 YARD LOT AND SPACE REGULATIONS, SUBSECTION B SUB SUBSECTION FOUR REMOVE THE WORDS WHEN PROVIDING MIXED INCOME HOUSING IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 1 1 6 IN SECTION 16, EXCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS MODIFIED AS FOLLOWS TO READ, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION, A PROJECT QUALIFIES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT BONUS OF A MINIMUM OF 0.25% OF THE TOTAL DWELLING UNITS WITHIN THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING 2.5, OR I'M SORRY, 0.2 0.5% OF THE TOTAL DWELLING UNITS WITHIN THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDING ARE AVAILABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS EARNING BETWEEN, UM, 81% AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE AREA MEETING FAMILY INCOME AND COMPLIANCE WITH DIVISIONS 51 A DASH 4.110 AS AMENDED IN THAT SAME SECTION. 
          SUBSECTION B, ACCEPT APPLICANT'S REQUESTED LANGUAGE IN SUBSECTION 1 1 7 ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS, UM, UNDER SUBSECTION D, SUB SUBSECTION ONE RESTAURANT USES CREATE A SUBSECTION A FOR OUTDOOR DINING AREAS MAY NOT BE UTILIZED AFTER 11:00 PM ADD A SUBSECTION B TO READ POLLUTION CONTROL UNITS SHALL BE UTILIZED TO REDUCE OUTDOOR, OR I'M SORRY, ODORS FROM KITCHEN AREAS. 
          AND THAT IS IT. 
          AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS. 
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YOU HAVE A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          IT BRINGS HUNDREDS OF HOUSING UNITS AND A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SENIOR HOUSING UNITS STARTING WITH ASSISTED OR, UH, INDEPENDENT LIVING ALL THE WAY UP TO MEMORY CARE. 
          AND IT PROVIDES, UM, A MUCH, UM, SOUGHT AFTER MIXED, UH, USE PRODUCT FOR AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS OTHER MIXED USE, MIXED USE PRODUCTS. 
          AND IT IS IN AN AREA THAT IS QUICKLY GROWING, WHICH I HOPE ONE DAY SOON WILL PROVIDE ENOUGH DENSITY TO OPEN UP THE DART STOP THAT IS UNDERGROUND AT KNOX, WHICH WOULD MAKE, WHICH WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER FOR THIS PART OF THE CITY. 
          UM, I WANNA THANK HINES AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR ALL OF THE FANTASTIC, UM, GREEN BUILDING THINGS THAT THIS PROJECT'S DOING. 
          I TRIED TO INCORPORATE AS MANY OF THEM AS I COULD INTO THE ORDINANCE. 
          FRANKLY, THEY'RE DOING A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT JUST DON'T NEATLY FIT INTO A ZONING ORDINANCE TO MAKE THIS BUILDING STATE OF THE ART WHEN IT COMES TO GREEN BUILDING. 
          UM, FROM CARBON MONITORING TO, UM, ENERGY MONITORING ON AN ONGOING BASIS THAT IS, IS DIFFICULT FOR A CITY TO MONITOR, BUT NOT DIFFICULT FOR A BUILDING OPERATIONS, UM, SYSTEM TO MONITOR. 
          AND I THINK IT'S THE WAY THAT THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UM, SHOULD BE LOOKING AT DOING THINGS FROM THE FUTURE. 
          LIKE ALL PROJECTS OF THIS MAGNITUDE IN THE CITY GOING FORWARD. 
          IT, IT'S GOT SOLAR, IT'S GOT WATER RECAPTURE. 
          THEY'RE, UM, SITE WIDE. 
          THEY'RE DOING THE HABITAT GARDEN PROJECT. 
          UM, THEY'RE DOING SOME CREATIVE STUFF TO DO PLACEMAKING. 
          THEY HAVE A TREE GROVE THAT THEY'VE CREATED. 
          THEY'RE USING BOLLARDS TO CLOSE OFF THE STREETS, BUT BUT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DROP THE BOLLARDS DOWN TO BRING IN FOOD TRUCKS AND DO OTHER PROGRAMMING. 
          UM, THEY'VE COMMITTED TO SPEND $25,000 A YEAR TO FUND PROGRAMMING ON THE SITE SO THAT THERE'S COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, SO THERE'S JUST A LOT TO REALLY LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN ADDITION TO REALLY FANTASTIC ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPING. 
          UM, IT ALSO TAKES AN AREA THAT RIGHT NOW HAS KIND OF HO-HUM NARROW SIDEWALKS AND CREATES SOME REAL GREAT STREETSCAPE, PUTS TREES BETWEEN THE, THE STREETS AND WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE PATIOS WILL BE TO CREATE SOME BUFFER THERE FOR PEDESTRIANS. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT DOES A LOT TOWARDS MEETING OUR CCAP, UM, IMPROVING OUR EFFORTS TO MEET OUR VISION ZERO, OUR, UM, STREET DESIGN MANUAL AND A LOT OF OUR OTHER, UM, CITY POLICIES. 
          SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED IF YOU CAN'T TELL ABOUT THIS INTERPLAY BETWEEN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY, BUT I DON'T BLAME THE DEVELOPER FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE ALWAYS, FROM DAY ONE, BEEN WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. 
          SO HOWEVER THAT WORKS OUT, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THAT, UM, EFFORT. 
          THEY ALSO ARE PUTTING 5% OF THE UNITS IN THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AS MICRO UNITS, WHICH WE KIND OF HAD TO, TO WORK WITH. 
          HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THEY'LL BE 5% OF, UM, THE RENTAL UNITS WILL BE MICRO UNITS, WHICH CREATE KIND OF A, A LONGER TERM AFFORDABLE PRODUCT PLUS WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY PUT UNITS IN THE BUILDING OR WHETHER THEY PAY THE FEE IN LIEU, THEY'LL PARTICIPATE IN OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM AS WELL. 
          SO FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, I HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN, UH, JOIN ME IN SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT. 
          I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD ONE. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS JUST THE SORT OF PLACE AS WE TALK ABOUT WHERE TO PUT DENSITY. 
          UM, IT'S ON THE HIGHWAY, IT'S CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY, IT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WE PUT DENSITY, IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S NOT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF AN MF TWO NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE TYPE OF PLACE WHERE WE SHOULD BE PUTTING IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE GO TO OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ARE, ARE YOU FOLLOWING THE, ON THE MIH THERE, WE GET A LITTLE CONFUSED THERE ON THE PERCENTAGES. 
          ARE YOU FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST 
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OF 2.5% AT 61 AND 80 AND TWO AND A HALF PERCENT AT 81 OR A HUNDRED OR ONLY THE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT AT 81 AND A HUNDRED? I SAID TWO AND HALF AT 81 AND HUNDRED BECAUSE YOUR MIC'S OFF. 
          UM, OH, SORRY. 
          UH, I SAID TWO AND HALF AT 81 AND A HUNDRED. 
          I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT EVER INTENDED TO PUT UNITS IN. 
          I THINK THEY ALWAYS INTENDED TO JUST DO THE FEE AND LIE, BUT, UH, IF STAFF'S GONNA CHANGE HOW WE CALCULATE THAT, THEN I WANNA GIVE THEM EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY PUT UNITS IN. 
          AND I KNOW THE MATH AND EVEN AT TWO AND A HALF PERCENT AT 81 TO A HUNDRED, IT'S FAR MORE THAN THE FEE'S GONNA BE IN THIS AREA AT THESE RENTS COMMISSIONER. 
          WELL THERE IS SO, SO MUCH TO LOVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND WHAT'S BEING OFFERED IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE AMENITIES AND, AND SUSTAINABILITY PIECES. 
          BUT I HAVE REAL SORT OF PHILOSOPHICAL EARNS ABOUT HOW WE ARE DEALING WITH THE INTERACTION BETWEEN CHAPTER 51 A AND THE MIX INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM, UM, PORTIONS THERE AND CHAPTER 20 A AND IT'S, IT'S LATE, SO I'M NOT GONNA BE VERY ELOQUENT HERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE ISSUES WITH HOW CITY STAFF AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS APPLYING THE LANGUAGE OF 20 A. 
          I HAVE NOT STUDIED IT IN SUCH GREAT DETAIL TO HAVE I DEVELOPED AN OPINION ON THAT MYSELF. 
          BUT I THINK IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH HOW THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT IS INTERPRETING 20 A OR I EVEN HOW 20 A IS BEING DRAFTED, THOSE AREN'T WITHIN ISSUES, AREN'T WITHIN OUR PURVIEW. 
          AND I START TO GET VERY CONCERNED WHEN WE START TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE PROBABLY HOUSING DEPARTMENT ISSUES HERE AT THE HORSESHOE AS THE LAND USE AND ZONING BODY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY PARTICULAR MISCHIEF WILL NECESSARILY COME OF NOT REQUIRING THIS DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION ABOUT NON-RESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE TO, UM, THE CITY IN CONNECTION WITH THEIR APPLICATION FOR THE PROGRAM. 
          BUT I, I REALLY DO START TO WORRY IF WE ARE TRYING TO INFLUENCE 20 A AND HOW 20 A IS INTERPRETED THROUGH OUR WRITING OF CHAPTER 51 A AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, PD ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY TEMPTING AND I DON'T BLAME MR. MANN AT ALL FOR TRYING TO COME UP WITH A VERY QUICK AND STRAIGHTFORWARD SOLUTION FOR HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS ALLEGED ISSUE WITH HOW CITY STAFF IS INTERPRET INTERPRETING 20 A. 
          BUT I THINK PROCESS IS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE, AND I AM VERY HESITANT TO HAVE THIS BODY BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, CUT OUT THE LEGS FROM BY, UH, FROM THE DATA THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PROVIDED TO CITY STAFF AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO NOT ALLOW THEM TO PERFORM THE CALCULATION THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT BE PERFORMING IN THE RIGHT WAY. 
          I THINK MR. MANN SAID THE ISSUE IS NOT GIVING THE DATA TO STAFF, IT'S HOUSE STAFF IS USING IT. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS COULD GET PROMPTLY WORKED OUT WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO, UM, BEING WORKED OUT HERE. 
          AND I'M ALSO A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE BOTH, UH, THE MOTION HERE BOTH, YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZES THE APPLICANT TO NOT PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALSO NOT REQUIRE, WE'RE JUST GIVING THE HEIGHT HERE WITHOUT REQUIRING PARTICIPATION IN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. 
          OF COURSE, THERE ARE OTHER INCENTIVES THAT ARE STILL BEING PROVIDED OR THAT ARE STILL TIED TO THE M-I-H-D-B PROGRAM, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE GIVING BOTH HEIGHT AND FREEING THE APPLICANT FOR PROVIDING NON-RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I I DON'T, IT'S LATE . 
          UM, I, I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION IF I CAN PLEASE. 
          I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS. 
          I I, I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN PROVIDING THE INFORMATION. 
          UM, SO I WANT TO, LET ME, LET ME AMEND MY MOTION IN TWO WAYS. 
          NUMBER ONE, UM, WITH REGARD TO 
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SECTION 1 0 9, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE, THERE IS NO, UM, THAT, THAT THE HEIGHTS IS NOT CONDITIONED ON PARTICIPATION OF SECTION 1 1 16 AND THEN HOWEVER THAT NEEDS TO BE RESTRUCTURED. 
          AND THEN ON THIS SECTION ONE 16, YEAH, ONE 16, UM, I, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE. 
          FOUR WHEEL CONTAINED STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO STRIKE THROUGH IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE, TO WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS TO PROVIDE THE FLOOR AREA FOR THE BUILDINGS, THE OUTCOME, THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH, THAT IS WHAT I'M IS TRYING TO RECOMMEND. 
          UH, I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN STAFF. 
          I MEAN THE, THE APPLICANT PROVIDING THE FLOOR AREA FOR THE BUILDINGS, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME. 
          SO THAT IS THE MOTION I AM TRYING TO MAKE. 
          SO COMMISSIONER KINGTON, JUST TO, TO SUMMARIZE, UM, IF WE GO BACK TO THE YARD LOT AND SPACE SECTION OF THE PD, UM, YOU ARE NOT TYING THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS TO HEIGHT, BUT ONLY TO FLOOR AREA RATIO. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. 
          UH, NEXT POINT TO MAKE, UM, GO AHEAD. 
          I I'M NOT, I'M NOT TYING IT TO FLOOR AREA RATIO OR HEIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO IF THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE NOT TIED TO ANY DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, THEN THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS AT ALL. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE TIED TO SOME SORT OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARD BECAUSE WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM, WE CAN ONLY INCENTIVIZE THEM. 
          LET ME LOOK AT IT AND I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT'S VERY LATE. 
          TURN MY ROLLING ANOTHER SIDE. 
          LET'S TAKE A BREAK. 
          UH, IT'S 9 26. 
          LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. 
          GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
          UH, 9 37. 
          WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. 
          WE'RE CLEANING UP OUR MOTION. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE MADE BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE. 
          YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO GO OVER IT AGAIN SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS. 
          UM, NO, I'M JUST GONNA GO OVER TO THE PD CONDITIONS ON SECTION 1 0 9. 
          UNDER SUBSECTION B, I'M MOVING SUB SUBSECTION FOUR AND FIVE OUT OF B UP TO A, WHICH TAKES BASICALLY THE HEIGHT OUT OF, UM, BEING UNDER THE, UM, BONUS UNDER 1 1 16, BUT IT LEAVES THE FAR INTACT. 
          AND THEN ON SECTION 1 1 6, UM, I'VE MODIFIED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OF DWELLING UNITS AT 81% TO A HUNDRED PERCENT AREA MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME. 
          AND THEN I AM ADOPTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS UNDER THAT SUBSECTION B. 
          AND THEN UNDER 1 1 7 UNDER SUBSECTION D, SUB SUBSECTION ONE, THERE'LL BE AN A AND A BA WILL READ OUTDOOR DINING AREAS MAY NOT BE UTILIZED AFTER 11:00 PM AND B WILL READ POLLUTION CONTROL UNITS SHALL BE UTILIZED TO REDUCE ODORS FROM KITCHEN AREAS. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PD CONDITIONS ALONG WITH 
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ENSURING THAT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS THE ONE DATED APRIL 26TH, 2004. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE GOOD? WELL, I SAID ALL THE, THE NICE THINGS ABOUT THE, UH, PROJECT BEFORE THE BREAK, AND I'LL JUST SAY DITTO TO THAT, BUT FOR MANY OF THE REASONS I SAID IN MY EARLIER COMMENTS, I DON'T THINK I'M ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS IF WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE TIE OF THE INCREASED HEIGHT TO THE, UM, M-I-H-D-B. 
          UM, SO I WILL TRY TO BE VERY QUICK WITH THIS, BUT I WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO, UM, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE UNDER SECTION 1 0 9, UM, B FOUR WHERE THE HEIGHT MAX HEIGHT IS, UM, TIED TO M-I-H-D-B. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT AND IF I CAN SPEAK, JUST PLEASE VERY BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON WITH, WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT'S CALCULATION OF THE FEE AND LIE, WHICH, WHICH MAY BE A CHALLENGE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER TONIGHT HOW WE HAVE HANDLED THE MI HT B ON PRETTY MUCH ANY OTHER CASE, A PD CASE WHERE WE'VE DEALT WITH IT, WHERE IT'S DEFINITELY TIED TO HEIGHT AND TYPICALLY TIED TO FAR AS WELL. 
          UM, IT, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE SORT OF, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A BROKEN BONE AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE AMPUTATING THE LEG. 
          I THINK THAT THE PREFERABLE SOLUTION HERE IS TO GET THE BROKEN BONE FIXED WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT RATHER THAN TAKE SUCH A DRASTIC MEASURE. 
          COMMISSIONER KINSON, WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR SENTIMENT AND I WISH WE WEREN'T IN THIS POSITION AND I CERTAINLY TRIED TO HAVE US NOT BE IN THIS POSITION. 
          I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES AND I THINK THAT THE FAR REMAINING IN THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES THE COMMUNITY PLENTY OF PROTECTION BECAUSE THE WAY THE FAR WORKS, YOU REALLY CAN'T WIGGLE AROUND TOO MUCH AND MAINTAIN THE FAR RESTRICTIONS WITH THE HEIGHT, PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY STILL HAVE TO BURY THE PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE'RE DEBATING THE AMENDMENT NOW. 
          COMMISSIONERS, UH, CAN YOU ARTICULATE YOUR, YOUR AMENDMENT AGAIN? VICE CHAIR RUBIN? IT'S BASICALLY TO GO BACK TO THE YARD LOT AND SPACE REGULATIONS AS IN THE DOCKET AS OPPOSED TO WITH, UH, IN SECTION, UM, SUBSET SECTION 1 0 9 AS OPPOSED TO, UM, WHAT, WHAT YOU SEE IN HERE IS, IS WHAT YOU WOULD GET UNDER SECTION 1 0 9 AS OPPOSED TO, UM, THE CHANGE THAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON MADE TO TO IT IN HER MOTION. 
          SO THE, THE HEIGHT BONUS HEIGHT, THE HEIGHTS IN THERE ARE TIED TO PROVIDING MIH ARE TIED TO THE M-I-H-D-B, NOT SIMPLY JUST BY RIGHT HEIGHT. 
          IF WE PASS THIS, I, I DID SECOND THE MOTION AND, UH, WITHOUT GOING INTO THE MERITS OF THIS WONDERFUL, AMAZING, UH, CASE, WHICH I THINK WE ALL AGREE IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, I DO AGREE WITH, WITH VICE CHAIR RUBIN IN THE WAY THAT WE DO OUR CALCULATION. 
          UH, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE MAKING THIS KIND OF CHANGE ON, ON ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT AND I THINK THAT'S A HOUSING ISSUE AND THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT ONCE IT GETS PAST THIS BODY. 
          UH, HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR THE CASE, BUT ON THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UH, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A WISE ONE. 
          PARDON ME? YEAH. 
          A NOT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT YES. 
          ON THIS AMENDMENT. 
          SO WE'RE DISCUSSING THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO GO BACK AND, UH, CALCULATE, UH, THE WAY WE HAVE DONE PREVIOUSLY ON OTHER PROJECTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SHERNOFF, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS IT, IS THE, IS THE WAY THAT THE ORIGINAL MOTION WORDED WITH REGARDS TO JUST LEAVING THE FLOOR A RATIO, DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE MIXED HOUSING? WE'RE NOT USING THAT AS A CALCULATION METRIC AT ALL. 
          COULD YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION? IF I COULD HELP? ARE ARE, ARE WE NOT, ARE WE USING JUST THE FLOOR A RATIO AS THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING METRIC CALCULATION IN REMOVING THE HEIGHT PORTION OF IT? OR IS THERE NO MIXED INCOME HOUSING CALCULATION TO BE HAD UNDER MELISSA'S? YES. 
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SO WHAT THE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SO WHAT, WHAT THE COMMISSION IS DISCUSSING THAT RIGHT NOW BETWEEN, UM, KINGSTON'S ORIGINAL MOTION AND RUBEN'S ALTERNATE MOTION IS, UM, KINGSTON'S MOTION IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT BONUS APPLIES TO FAR ONLY. 
          UM, RUBEN'S MOTION IS THAT THE HEIGHT BONUS APPLIES TO FAR AS WELL AS HEIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS, UH, PUBLISHED IN THE DOCKET. 
          AS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE, OKAY, LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          LET'S TAKE A RECORD VOTE. 
          WHY NOT? THIS IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE WAY THAT CALCULATION IS GONNA BE MADE. 
          JUST DISTRICT ONE? NO, DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE? YES. 
          I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          YES, YES. 
          DISTRICT FOUR? YES. 
          DISTRICT FIVE? YES. 
          DISTRICT SIX? YES. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN? YES. 
          DISTRICT EIGHT, OBVIOUSLY NO, NO, NO. 
          DISTRICT NINE? NO. 
          DISTRICT 10? YES. 
          DISTRICT 11? YES. 
          DISTRICT 12, YES. 
          DISTRICT 13? YES. 
          DISTRICT 14, NO. 
          AND PLACE 15. 
          YES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          SO WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE, NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          HAVE IT ANY OPPOSED? UH, NONE IN OPPOSITION THOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL KEEP MOVING. 
          WE BACK 
          [18. 24-1450 An application for a P(A) Parking Subdistrict on property zoned an MF-2(A) Multifamily Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, with consideration of 1) an NC Neighborhood Commercial Subdistrict; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a commercial parking lot or garage, on the northeast line of Meadow Street, between South Boulevard and Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: 1) Approval of an NC Neighborhood Commercial Subdistrict; and 2) approval of a Specific Use Permit for a commercial parking lot or garage for a five-year period, subject to a site plan and conditions, in lieu of a P(A) Parking Subdistrict. Applicant: MLK Kingdom Complex Representative: Ferrell Fellows Planner: Michael Pepe Council District: 7 Z212-183(MP) Z212-183(MP)_Case Report Z212-183(MP)_Parking Plan Attachments:]
TO 17. 
          I NEED TO DO A BRIEF BRIEFING. 
          18, 17. 
          WE DID 17. 
          WE DID 17. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          2 1 2 180 3. 
          I NEED TO DO 18. 
          PARDON ME. 
          HEY FOLKS, THIS IS, UH, ITEM 18. 
          YOU'LL SEE MY SCREEN IN A SECOND, I PROMISE. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS Z 2 1 12 180 3. 
          IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PA PARKING DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES OWNED A AND MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS SPECIAL FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION OF ONE AND NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT. 
          AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF MEADOW STREET BETWEEN SOUTH BOULEVARD, MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD. 
          IT'S ABOUT 3,200 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S LOCATED SOUTH OF FAIR PARK. 
          HERE'S THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          IT'S RETAIL, THE SOUTHEAST AND A MIX OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTHWEST. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED PROPOSING THAT SURFACE PARKING LOT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS AN NC OVER THE PA. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED. 
          THEY'VE BUILT A FENCE SINCE, UM, SINCE I'VE VISITED THE FIRST TIME. 
          AND A PROPOSED PARKING PLAN OR SITE PLAN COULD BE USED FOR EITHER, UM, STAFF DESK HAVE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS 'CAUSE WE RECOMMENDED SUP PA DISTRICTS DON'T HAVE CONDITIONS, UH, BUT THIS SUP WOULD. 
          AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT AND AN APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT GARAGE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS IN LIEU OF THE REQUESTED PA DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? 
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OKAY, WE WILL START THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. PEPE. 
          I THINK WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM, MS. FELLOWS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS FARRELL FELLOWS AND MY ADDRESS IS 26 0 7 MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR BOULEVARD. 
          I AM A RESIDENT OF SOUTH DALLAS AND A REAL ESTATE BROKER AND DEVELOPER. 
          I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECTS FOR THE POINT SOUTH REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A COALITION OF LOCAL BUSINESSES AND LANDOWNERS SURROUNDING FAIR PARK AND MLK BOULEVARD. 
          AND I HAVE STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT THAT IS ALL ABOUT CREATING ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH DALLAS MLK WELLNESS CENTER. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL TAKE AN UNDERUTILIZED COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND IMPROVE IT TO INCLUDE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          THAT INCLUDES A FITNESS CENTER, A HEALTHY RESTAURANT, AND A COFFEE SHOP. 
          THIS PROJECT INCLUDES 31 0 1 MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR BOULEVARD, AND 29 0 4 MEADOW STREET. 
          THIS IS A CITY APPROVED AND CITY FUNDED PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE OF 2022 WITH A $350,000 LOAN FROM THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK OPPORTUNITY FUND AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS REIMBURSABLE GRANT FROM SOUTH DALLAS INVESTMENT FUND. 
          THIS APPROVAL INCLUDED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING AND THE PAVING OF THE PARKING LOT AT 29 0 4 MEADOW STREET. 
          BOTH PROPERTIES WERE INCLUDED IN A JOINT AGREEMENT THAT CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATES ME TO PAVE THIS LOT AND USE IT FOR PARKING IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH MY LOAN AGREEMENT AND THE TERMS OF MY GRANT AGREEMENT. 
          THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN FUNDED AND WE ARE ABOUT 60% COMPLETE WITH CONSTRUCTION. 
          I SUBMITTED AN SUP APPLICATION FOR THIS VACANT LOT IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021, WHICH IS ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO. 
          AND THIS IS MY FIRST HEARING. 
          THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH SEVERAL LAYERS, LAYERS OF APPROVAL AND FUNDING BY THE CITY OF DALLAS TO PAY FOR THE PARKING LOT. 
          AND WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH ZONING AND HAVE RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THE BUILDING, WHICH REQUIRES THESE PARKING SPACES. 
          IT IS MY GOAL THAT I WOULD RECEIVE AN APPROVAL, UM, AND THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THIS VACANT PARKING LOT FOR ACCESS AND FOR SAFETY OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE PATRONS THAT WOULD BE PATRONIZING THIS SPACE AT VERY EARLY MORNING HOURS WERE, IT'S STILL DARK OUTSIDE. 
          WE'VE EXPERIENCED MANY CHALLENGES AT THIS PROPERTY INCLUDING SQUATTING, ENCAMPMENTS, LOITERING, AND PEOPLE STEALING THE WOODEN FENCE PLANKS TO BURN FIREWOOD IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. 
          THERE HAS ALSO BEEN VERY, UH, RECENT VIOLENT CRIME THAT HAS THREATENED MY CONSTRUCTION CREWS AND THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR REQUIRED THAT I FENCE IN THIS LOT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONTINUE WORKING, UH, FOR THEM TO FEEL SAFE WORKING. 
          AND SO MY CONCERN REALLY IS FOR THE PATRONS AND THE STAFF AND THE EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE SAFE PARKING AND SAFE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING, UM, AND THAT PEOPLE WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE PATRONIZING THIS ESTABLISHMENT. 
          I PURCHASED THIS LOT IN 2021 FROM A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS SITE BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 3000 SQUARE FEET AND HE COULD NOT MAKE A FEASIBLE PROJECT HAPPEN RESIDENTIALLY ON THIS LOT AND AGREED THAT THE MOST IDEAL USE OF THIS LOT WOULD BE TO MERGE IT WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDING, WHICH IS 31 0 1 MLK. 
          THERE'S AN ALLEY THAT RUNS BETWEEN IT AND THERE IS A SAVE A LOT GROCERY STORE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND THEIR BUILDING RUNS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT THAT CONCLUDES YOUR TIME, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? FOR MS. FELLOWS? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE. 
          OH, FA . 
          MS. UH FARRELL, HOW YOU DOING TODAY? UM, GOOD TO SEE YOU. 
          UH, SO, UM, WITH THE CHALLENGES AND THE REASON THAT YOU NEED THE PARKING LOT, IS IT BECAUSE, IS IT, ARE YOU, ARE, WERE YOU MADE AWARE IT IS BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIVE PARKING IN SOUTH DALLAS, UH, IN OUR CURRENT PD, WHICH MADE YOU HAVE TO GET THIS PART, UM, GET THIS IN ORDER TO FINISH YOUR PROJECT? UM, I WASN'T MADE AWARE OF THAT UNTIL A COUPLE YEAR, A COUPLE OF YEARS INTO THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AFTER I HAD MADE SEVERAL VISITS TO THE BUILDING INSPECTION AND ZONING AND PERMITTING OFFICE, I WAS ADVISED 
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TO APPLY FOR AN SUP. 
          UM, AND IT TOOK ME, UM, ALMOST A YEAR TO GET A RESPONSE TO MY APPLICATION. 
          UH, WE HAD ALREADY PURCHASED A LOT, APPLIED THROUGH THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER FOR FUNDING FOR THE BUILDING, RECEIVED A LETTER OF A COMMITMENT FOR THE PARKING LOT AND EVEN WERE FUNDED FOR, FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS BEFORE I BECAME AWARE THAT WE DID NOT HAVE OUR PARKING COUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO, HAVE YOU HAD, UH, THE TRUTH ALSO THAT YOU HAVE HAD EXTREME, UM, UM, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND THAT THE ONE OF THE, UH, COMMITTEES THAT YOU SIT ON IS ACTUALLY A PART OF A, A GREATER VISION FOR THIS AREA FOR TO, UH, TO IMPROVE THE TOD AROUND THE DOOR, UH, MARTIN THROUGH THE MARTIN LUTHER KING STATION AND TO CREATE A, UH, MORE VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD? YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I I WOULD, I DO HAVE A MOTION AND, UM, CAN CAN WE TURN THE MIC OFF AT, AT THE PODIUM OR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S MAKING IT HAVE A BACK, UH, DEAL. 
          UM, LEMME GET TO MY SCREEN. 
          UH, UM, YES, I I'M GOING TO 18. 
          UM, HOLD ON. 
          OH, THERE I GO. 
          I HAD IT PULLED UP AND THEN I PULLED IT OUT. 
          UH, I WOULD, I WANT TO GO WITH THE, UH, TO TRIAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A NC UM, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT. 
          AND IF WE APPROVE THAT, THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH AN APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT OR GARAGE FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS IN LIEU OF A PA PER SUBDISTRICT. 
          AND IF I CAN GET A, UM, A SECOND, I, I HAVE COMMENTS. 
          YOU DO HAVE A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          YES. 
          AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MISS, UH, HAVING TO, TO GET A PARKING, UM, ADD A PARKING LOT TO THIS BUILDING. 
          THIS BUILDING WAS ADOPTED. 
          THE BUILDING HAD FUNCTIONED FOR YEARS. 
          IT WOULD'VE STAYED WHAT, WHAT IT WAS AND SHE WOULD NEED A PARKING. 
          BUT WE HAVE A GREATER ISSUE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, IT'S A MIC ON . 
          UH, WE HAVE A ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE THIS SAME TYPE OF PROJECT THAT IS ON GREEN BULL ON IN BISHOP PARK AND OTHER PARTS OF OF THE CITY DO DO NOT HAVE THE SAME PARKING ISSUE. 
          OUR PARKING AGREEMENT, OUR PARKING IS 25 FEET FROM THE CURB. 
          SHE SITS ON TWO STREETS, MAKES IT 25 FEET FROM, FROM TWO OF HER, UH, SIDES OF HER BUILDING. 
          UM, WE'RE HOPING IN THE FUTURE THAT SHE, THAT HER AND OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITIES OR WHO LIVE HERE, WHO ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE IT, WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS BECAUSE OF PARKING RESTRICTIONS. 
          AND THIS IS A CLEAR SIGN OF WHAT, OF HOW LONG OUR PD IS WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPERS COMING, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC GROWTH IN OUR COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY'RE HAVING TO FACE SPENDING MONEY TO APPROVE A PARKING LOT FOR PARKING THAT NECESSARILY MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE TO BE USED. 
          UM, SO I, I HOPE THAT YOU ALL CAN SUPPORT, UH, MS. FELLOW. 
          SHE IS DOING GREAT WORK IN IN SOUTH DALLAS. 
          SHE MOVED IN AND WHEN SHE MOVED IN, DIDN'T JUST SIT THERE. 
          SHE HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER ON MANY THINGS WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND WITH, UH, OTHER MEMBERS WHO ARE WORKING HARD AND DILIGENTLY CHANGE. 
          SOUTH DALLAS WOULD BE A GREATER PLACE. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AND YOUR OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT MS. FELLOWS. 
          IT PASSED. 
           . 
          OKAY. 
          NUMBER 19, MS. GAR. 
          [19. 24-1451 An application for a CR Community Retail District on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Lake June Road, west of North Masters Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval of an NS(A) Neighborhood Service District, in lieu of a CR Community Retail District. Applicant: Jacobo A. Ramos Tapia Representative: Jose Garcia Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 5 Z223-158(LG) Attachments: Z223-158(LG)_Case Report]
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ALRIGHT, NUMBER 19 IS Z 2 2 3 1 5 8. 
          THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AND R 7.5. 
          A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DISTRICT ON PROPERTY, SORRY, AN APPLICATION FOR A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AN R 7.5 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF LAKE JUNE ROAD, WEST OF NORTH MASTERS DRIVE. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY 38,610 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO THIS IS A ZONING, UM, TOWARDS THE NORTH IS UNDEVELOPED, UH, TOWARDS THE EAST IS UNDEVELOPED AND RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICES. 
          AND THEN TOWARDS THE WEST IS SINGLE FAMILY. 
          AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IT'S THE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. 
          THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND THERE IS AN EXISTING BUILDING ON SITE. 
          THE APPLICANT QUINCY CR UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT TO ALLOW A PERSONAL SERVICE USE, UH, FOR A HAIR SALON. 
          OTHER PROPERTY IMMEDIATE TO THE WEST AND ALONG SOUTH, UH, LINE OF LAKE JUNE ROAD ARE ZONED. 
          R 7.5 A DISTRICT, UH, TO A NORTH IS MF TWO A AND TO THE EAST OF ZONE CR UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE AND THEN SURROUNDING USES. 
          AND THEN THE  SAYS, SO THE EXISTING, UM, IT'S AN R 7.5 A. 
          THERE ARE PROPOSING A CR HOWEVER, STATUS RECOMMENDING AN AS. 
          NSA, UM, AS AN SNSA IS A LESS THAN 10 DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS PERSONAL SERVICE USE AND IS A BETTER COMP, UH, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING USES. 
          UH, SO I MENTIONED APPROVAL OF AN NS, UH, STAFF CONDITION IS APPROVED. 
          NSA UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL. 
          THANK YOU MS. MS. GARZA. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO. 
          THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 58, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IN LIEU OF A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL THIS ROOM. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SAY NONE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          DID YOU REGISTER MY NAY? OH, MORNING OPPOSITION CARPENTER. 
          [20. 24-1452 An application for a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned an R-10(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Timberloam Road, west of South Saint Augustine Drive. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Manuel Salcedo Representative: Construction Concepts Inc. Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 8 Z223-177(LG) Attachments: Z223-177(LG)_Case Report]
NEXT CASE PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER, UH, 20 IS KZ 2 23 1 77. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF TIMBER LO ROAD, WEST OF SOUTH SAINT AUGUSTINE DRIVE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP, THIS IS THE ZONING MAP. 
          UM, SO THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST AND WEST, A SINGLE FAMILY TOWARDS THE SOUTH, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH, UM, ACROSS LBJ. 
          IT'S UNDEVELOPED AND SINGLE FAMILY. 
          AND THEN ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, NEXT TO THE SIDE, UM, IS UNDEVELOPED RESTAURANT, UH, WITH DRIVE-THROUGH AND GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR, UM, A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE, UH, DISTRICT. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE OF 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. 
          THE REQUEST SIDE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A METAL STRUCTURE ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          HOWEVER, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS NOT ALLOWED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DOLING UNIT IN AN R 10 A DISTRICT. 
          ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO GENERAL MERCHANDISE DOOR USE, SEVERAL OTHER USES ARE PERMITTED TO SEE AS DISTRICT, WHICH MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. 
          UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SURROUNDING USES, UH, UH, AROUND THE SITE. 
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THE GENTLEMAN . 
          UM, THE EXISTING IS R 10. 
          THEY ARE PROPOSING A CS AS I MENTIONED. 
          UM, THE AREA. 
          THERE IS AN AREA PLANNED, THE I 20 FREEWAY CORRIDOR LINE USE PLAN. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE I 20 FREEWAY, A QUARTER LINE USE PLAN. 
          THE PROPOSED USE DOES NOT FIT THE CHARACTER, NOR DOES IT ENHANCE THE SENSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          A RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE GO TO THE HEARING? NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. GARZA. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE'RE ON NUMBER 20 Z 2 23 1 77. 
          BOTTOM OF PAGE SEVEN, NO REGISTER SPEAKERS ONLINE. 
          OKAY, SO WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 7 7 I MOVE WILL BE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ANY COMMENTS? IT'S OBVIOUS THIS, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, REQUEST IS SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL. 
          THE USE THAT IS PROPOSED ON THIS ONE WOULD BRING IN HEAVY TRUCKS. 
          THAT, THAT THIS COMMUNITY, THIS THE STREETS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CANNOT, UM, SUPPORT IT. 
          SO I ACTUALLY FOLLOW, RE UM, AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND I ASKED YOU GUYS ABOUT THE SAME. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          MR. CLINTON. 
          NUMBER 
          [22. 24-1453 An application for a Specific Use Permit for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a restaurant without drive-in or drive-through service on property zoned Subarea 1 within Planned Development District No. 366, the Buckner Boulevard Special Purpose District, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the west line of South Buckner Boulevard, between North Scyene Road and Blossom Lane. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a two-year period, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: La Campina, Inc. Representative: Santos Martinez Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 5 Z223-256(LC) Z223-256(LC)_Case Report Z223-256(LC)_Site Plan Attachments:]
22. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 22, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 2 56. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA. 
          ONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 6, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD BETWEEN NORTH SE ROAD AND BLOSSOM LANE. 
          HERE'S OUR, HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP. 
          THIS IS OUR AERIAL MAP. 
          SO IT'S A SUITE INSIDE OF, OF A, UM, PLAZA HERE. 
          UH, ZONING MAP. 
          THE, UH, SURROUNDING USES ARE COMMERCIAL RETAIL. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE PURPOSE IS, UH, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REQUESTING TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ON SITE. 
          APPROXIMATELY 41,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. 
          UM, IT IS A, UH, RESTAURANT AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 9:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 10:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. 
          UM, HERE ARE SOME SITE VISIT PHOTOS. 
          UH, THIS IS ON PROPERTY LOOKING WEST. 
          LOOKING AT THE SUITE, THIS IS ON PROPERTY LOOKING NORTH. 
          THIS IS ON PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH. 
          THIS IS ON PROPERTY LOOKING EAST TOWARDS SOUTH BUCKNER. 
          UM, SOME IMAGES OF THE SURROUNDING USES. 
          THIS IS ON SOUTH BUCKNER LOOKING NORTHWEST. 
          UM, SAME POSITION LOOKING NORTHEAST. 
          UM, THIS IS ON SOUTH BUCKNER LOOKING EAST. 
          UM, SP CONDITIONS. 
          THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR TWO YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? ITEM NUMBER 22. 
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SAME. 
          NONE. 
          MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 2 5 6. 
          I MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING FALLS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. 
          THANK YOU MR. SHERIFF, YOUR MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES 25. 
          [25. 24-1455 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2436 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a restaurant without drive-through service and a retail food store on property zoned an LC Light Commercial Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay and deed restrictions [Z201-315], at the intersection of McKinney Avenue and Harvard Avenue (north of Monticello Avenue, west of North Central Expressway). Staff Recommendation: Approval for a three-year period, subject to staff’s recommended conditions and amended site plan. Applicant: TMF, LLC Representative: Tommy Mann, Winstead Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 14 Z234-107(LG) Z234-107(LG)_Case Report Z234-107(LG)_Existing Site Plan Z234-107(LG)_Proposed Site Plan Attachments:]
ITEM 25 IS KZ 2 3 4 107. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 36 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE IN A RETAIL FOOD STORE AND PROPERTY ZONE IN LC, LIKE COMMERCIAL SUB DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          DISTRICT NUMBER 180 3, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          Z 2 0 1 3 15 AT THE INTERSECTION OF MCKINNEY AVENUE AND HARVARD AVENUE NORTH OF MONTE AVENUE, WEST OF NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY. 
          UH, SO THIS, THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SURROUNDING USES OUR OFFICE. 
          MULTIFAMILY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION TOWARDS THE SOUTH, UH, WEST, I MEAN EAST. 
          UH, THERE'S A WAREHOUSE, A MEDICAL CLINIC AND MULTI MULTIPLE FAMILY, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH. 
          THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDER BUT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 
          THE PROPERTY IS OKAY WITHIN PLANED ELEMENT DISTRICT, UH, NUMBER 180 3 ON JANUARY, UH, OF 2022. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL PROVEN APPLICATION FOUR ONE A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY DISTRICT AND TWO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 36 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE OR RETAIL FOOD STORE FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD. 
          PLEASE CONSIDER AGENTS FOR DATA RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, PD, UH, NUMBER 180 3 DEFINES THE RETAIL FOOD STORE AS AN ESTABLISHMENT FOR DISPLAY IN RETAIL SALE OF FOODS AND ASSOCIATE, UM, ITEMS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO AMEND THE SUP NUMBER 24 36 SITE PLAN BY INCREASING THE EXISTING SQUARE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM 3,790 SQUARE FEET TO 4,722 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE REVISED SITE PLAN WILL ALSO INCLUDE A CROSSWALK ACROSS AN INGRESS AND EGRESS POINT TO IMPROVE WALKABILITY AND PROGESTERONE AXIS. 
          UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS OF THE SITE. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS SURROUNDING THE, THE SITE. 
          THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AND THIS IS A PROPOSED SITE PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, THESE ARE THE EXISTING DIS DISTRICT DIS DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UM, ON THE SITE. 
          UH, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES. 
          SITE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO STATUS, RECOMMENDATION, CONDITIONS, AND AMENDED SITE PLAN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WILL BEGIN OUR HEARING. 
          SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD EVENING, TOMMY MAN. 
          500 WINSTED BUILDING. 
          BE VERY BRIEF. 
          THIS IS FOR TRUST MARKET. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT USE HERE. 
          IT'S A SPECIALTY GROCERY STORE. 
          PREPARED FOOD. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF RESTAURANT. 
          THEY'LL SELL ALCOHOL. 
          COMMUNITY'S EXCITED. 
          IT'S A FIVE YEAR LEASE WITH RENEWALS. 
          IF WE COULD GET FIVE YEARS, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WE CAN GIVE UP ON THE AUTO RENEWALS AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S GONNA LOVE IT. 
          WE'LL BE BACK AND THANK YOU TO THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE FOR STILL BEING HERE. 
          UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR STAYING. 
          THANK YOU FOR STAYING AROUND. 
          UH, UM, MY NAME IS ADAM MURPHY, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE OF THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE. 
          THE LAWN COMMITTEE, UH, FULLY SUPPORTS TRUST MARKET AND THEIR PROPOSAL, AND WE THINK IT'D BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONER'S, QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, PLEASE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I READ CORRECTLY THAT THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE THAT IT WILL CLOSE AT, UH, 11:00 AM I 
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MEAN 11:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT, IT'LL ACTUALLY, THERE'S A COFFEE SHOT TOO, SO IT'LL BE OPEN VERY EARLY. 
          IT, IT HOURS ARE 8:00 AM OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YOU'LL CLOSE AT EIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, WE CLOSE AT SEVEN. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO YOU, IT SAYS 11, BUT YEAH, THAT JUST GIVES YOU THE LICENSE TO GO. 
          YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. 
          SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT USE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S HAVE A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE. 
          IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 0 7, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, ADOPT, ADOPTED IT WITH, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS SUBJECT TO, UM, CONDITIONS AND AMENDED SITE PLANNED AND, UH, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS THEY WERE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CHANGE. 
          IT'LL BE, UH, FIVE YEARS WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON. 
          YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY COMMENTS SEEING, UH, COMMISSIONER CHARNA? YES, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YOUR OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. 
          THAT TAKES US 
          [SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent]
TO THE SUBDIVISION DOCK CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ITEMS THAT CONSISTS OF ITEMS 27 THROUGH 38 38 HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT DUE TO A CONFLICT BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN. 
          SO, UH, WE WILL DISPOSE OF 27 THROUGH 37. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASES 27 THROUGH 37? AND IF SO, WE'LL PULL IT OFF THE CONSENT AND WE WILL, UH, DISPOSE OF IT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          27 THROUGH 37. 
          DOES ANYONE, ANYONE WANT TO BE HEARD OR ANY OF THOSE? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? 29TH. 
          29TH. 
          SO, WE'LL, SORRY, MINE, UH, 29 HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT. 
          SO THAT LEAVES CASE 27 28 30 THROUGH 37. 
          DOES ANYONE HERE WANNA SPEAK ON 27, 28 OR 30 THROUGH 37? OKAY, LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE. 
          38 IS NOT ON THE, IS NOT ON THE CONSENT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          38 IS IS GONNA BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY. 
          29 AND 38 WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY. 
          LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT IN PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER 27 S 2 3 4 DASH EIGHT ZERO. 
          ITEM NUMBER 28 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 8 2. 
          ITEM NUMBER 30 S 2 3 4 DASH EIGHT FIVE. 
          ITEM NUMBER 31 S 2 3 4 DASH EIGHT SIX. 
          ITEM NUMBER 32 S 2 3 4 DASH 87. 
          ITEM NUMBER 33 S 2 3 4 DASH 88. 
          ITEM NUMBER 34 S 2 3 4 DASH 89. 
          ITEM NUMBER 35 S 2 3 4 DASH 92. 
          ITEM NUMBER 36 S 2 3 4 DASH 94. 
          ITEM NUMBER 37 S 2 34 DASH 0 96. 
          ALL THE CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME. 
          AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. S THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEMS 27 28 AND 30 THROUGH 37. 
          OKAY, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SLEEPER? YES, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MOVE THAT, UH, ON ITEMS 27 28 AND 29 THROUGH 37. 
          CLOSE OF PUBLIC HEARING. 
          PARDON ME? I'M SORRY. 
          30 THROUGH 37. 
          YEAH, 29. 
          WHAT DID I SAY? OH, 20 0 29 IS OFF NOW? YES, SIR. 
          YES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND 30 THROUGH 37 THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? C NONE ALL IS IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          NOW WE GO BACK TO 29. 
          [29. 24-1459 An application to create one 4.060-acre lot from a tract of land containing part of City Block 6467 on property located between Harry Hines Boulevard and Denton Drive, at the terminus of Andjon Drive. Applicant/Owner: Pran Shree Surveyor: Data Land Services Corporation Application Filed: April 3, 2024 Zoning: IM Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 6 S234-084]
ITEM NUMBER 29 S 2 34 DASH 84. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE ONE 4.060 ACRE TRACK ACRE LOT FROM A TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF CITY BLOCK 64 67 ON PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN HARRY HUNTS BOULEVARD AND DENTON DRIVE AT DETERMINANTS OF JOHN. 
          UH, DRIVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, 
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APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS RICKY JARANA. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M FROM 4 0 3 MAIN SALE DRIVE, ALLEN, TEXAS. 
          UH, JUST WANNA GIVE YOU SOME, I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNERS FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          JUST SOME HISTORY THAT'LL ADD, UH, CONTEXT TO THIS APPLICATION. 
          UH, THE OWNERS PURCHASED A BAZAAR ON HARRY HAN'S, UH, ROAD, HARRY HAN'S BAZAAR. 
          AND ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AND SOON AFTER THAT PRO, UH, PURCHASED FOUR TRACKS OF LAND ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS THE PROPERTY LANDS THAT WE WANNA NOW PLAT. 
          THERE WAS A NIGHTCLUB ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WE THEN DEMOLISHED BECAUSE IT DIDN'T FIT IN WITH THE FAMILY ORIENTED BUSINESSES THAT, UH, WE RAN NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS THE BAZAAR. 
          SO WE HAD A POSITION NOW WHERE WE WANT TO ADD ANOTHER PROPERTY IN PLACE OF THE ONE WE DEMOLISHED. 
          AND HENCE WE WANNA PLANT THESE FOUR PROPERTIES. 
          IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO PLANT IT BECAUSE IT MAKES THE NEW ADDITION A BIT MORE EFFICIENT TO DESIGN AND DEFINITELY ADDS, UH, EFFICIENCY TO THE WAY THE PARKING IS GONNA BE LAID OUT IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE PROPERTY RATHER THAN FOUR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES WITH ALL THE DIVISIONS IN BETWEEN. 
          SO FOR US, IT'S A CASE OF LIKE THE HOLE IS GREATER THAN THE SUM OF THE PARTS, AND WE BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE MORE EFFICIENT TO HAVE THEM PLANTED. 
          SO WE HOPE YOU APPROVE THAT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? THIS IS MY CASE. 
          OH, PARDON ME. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, IN THE MATTER OF CASE S 2 3 4 DASH 0 8 4, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF CONDITION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCK. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          YOU OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT. 
          LET THE RECORD. 
          PARDON ME ONE MOMENT. 
          LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, VICE CHAIR HAS A CONFLICT ON NUMBER 38 AND HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER. 
          ITEM NUMBER 38 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 97, IT IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE ONE 10.305 ACRE LOT AND 1 34 0.567 ACRE LOT FROM A 44.872 ACRE TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 70 66 ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON BAY STREET AT THE TERMINALS OF PILGRIM DRIVE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, CARL CROWLEY, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, REPRESENTING THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN A REDEVELOPMENT OF A LARGER TRACK. 
          UM, I WANTED TO PUT IN A PLUG. 
          THE, THIS, THE 10 ACRE LOT WILL BE FOR A NEW, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CALLED THE RITH, NAMED AFTER THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THIS, OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          BETTY RITH, WHO'S NOW, UM, I GUESS SHE'S SHE'S CHAIR, SHE'S CHAIR OF THE, THE, UM, THE BOARD FOR THE HOUSE DALLAS, IF YOU EVER KNOW BETTY RITH. 
          SHE IS A WONDERFUL WOMAN AND SHE'D GIVEN A LOT OF TIME FOR, FOR TO THE CITY AND NOW TO THE HOUSE. 
          AND ACTUALLY, I THINK SHE WAS ON THE AIRPORT BOARD FOR A WHILE. 
          YEAH, SHE WAS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, I THINK SHE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE AIRPORT BOARD. 
          THIS IS A, I I I DIDN'T KNOW HIS NAME, THE CULBERT UNTIL I GO, COULD THAT BE NAMED FOR BETTY? AND YES, IT WAS. 
          SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THAT DEVELOPMENT, SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSION'S QUESTIONS FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          WERE THERE ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SURROUNDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? IT, IT'S A PLAT. 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THE PLAT. 
          NOW THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY OBVIOUSLY HAS IN IN THEIR, DO YOU WANNA COME DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT? DEBBIE? I I, YOU, YOU WERE HERE FOR NINE HOURS. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO NOT COME DOWN AND TALK , BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A PLAT, IT'S NOT A ZONING CASE. 
          UH, THIS, IT, THE ZONING, UH, IN PLACE WE CAN USE FOR OUR, SHE WAS JUST SO DISAPPOINTED SHE WASN'T GETTING, THANKS FOR STAYING WITH US. 
          DEBBIE  WITH THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY. 
          39 39 NORTH HAMPTON ROAD. 
          AS MR. CROWLEY SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, UH, PHASE OF A 
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LONG AWAITED PHASE AT THE RHODES TERRACE SITE, WHICH WE DEMOLISHED IN 2009. 
          WE HAVE BEGUN THE PROCESS WORKING WITH GOOD FULTON AND FARRELL TO, UH, UPDATE THE BONTON NEIGHBORHOOD MASTER PLAN. 
          WE'VE HELD OUR FIRST MEETING WITH A COMMITTEE OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AS WE REDEVELOP THE ENTIRE SITE. 
          AND WHEN WAS THAT MEETING HELD? I'M SORRY? AND WHEN WAS THAT MEETING HELD? WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING OF THIS COMMITTEE THIS PAST WEEK, AND THIS COMMITTEE WILL BEGINNING MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS FOLLOWING, UH, THE MEETING THIS WEEK. 
          AND WE WILL ALSO OUTREACH TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY. 
          AND WHAT DAY WAS OH, THIS WEEK. 
          WAS THAT THAT MEETING? THE MEETING WAS HELD WEDNESDAY. 
          THIS PAST WEDNESDAY. 
          YESTERDAY, YES, MA'AM. 
          WEDNESDAY? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAQUE. 
          UH, 'CAUSE I CAN'T, I COULDN'T. 
          SO IS, IS THIS THE ROAD, IS THIS WHERE THE ROSE TERRA HOUSING PROJECT WAS OR DOES THIS EXTEND IN OTHER AREAS OF BONTON BESIDES THAT THE, THIS IS WHERE THE ROSELAND ROADS TERRACE PROJECT WAS. 
          ARE YOU SURE THIS IS THE ONLY COMMISSIONER WHEELER? IF I CAN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE BODY THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A PLAT, THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY UNDER CONSIDERATION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PLAT CONFORMS WITH STATE LAW ARTICLE EIGHT AND COMPLIES WITH THE ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THOSE REASONS WHY THESE, THESE PROJECTS ARE, ARE SO IMPORTANT TO BE BRIEF, WHY WE CAN'T BE BRIEF. 
          JUST ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MA'AM, CAN YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? I'LL GIVE YOU, UH, SHE GAVE HER ADDRESS. 
          UH, WE, WE DIDN'T CATCH IT. 
          IT'S LATE. 
          DEBBIE UA. 
          39. 
          39 NORTH HAMPTON ROAD. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO WITH GRAVE CONCERN AND NO OTHER, I, I MOVE FORWARD TO FOLLOW. 
          WE, WE DIDN'T CATCH THE MOTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, LET ME FIND OUT. 
          WHAT IS THE MOTION? UH, DO I NEED TO READ ALL THE PLATE INTO RECORD? NO, NO. 
          JUST S UH, 2 34 0 97. 
          CAN, CAN, BEFORE I READ THIS INTO MOTION, CAN I PLEASE ASK, UH, DANIEL WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT WOULD BE THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD CAUSE FOR US TO DE DENY IT OR YOU CAN'T DENY IT? IN ORDER TO DENY IT UNDER CHAPTER 51 A AND STATE LAW, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CITE TO A PROVISION OF ARTICLE EIGHT OR THE STATE LAW THAT THE PLAT DOES NOT CONFORM WITH. 
          AND SO IT, IT, IF IT COMPLIES WITH ARTICLE EIGHT, IT'S A MINISTERIAL DUTY. 
          YOU MUST APPROVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          HOLD ON. 
          DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? YES. 
          AND I JUST REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE PLAT AND IT'S NOT A CONTINUANCE PLAT. 
          IT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO, TO, TO, TO DO BECAUSE THIS IS NOT LIKE ONE. 
          THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, IS ROSE TERRACE, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE, UH, DOES APPLY. 
          BUT THE OTHER ONES I'M NOT FOR SURE IF THEY, THEY DO. 
          AND I, I, I, I GUESS I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE IT. 
          UM, UM, HOLD ON. 
          IN THE MATTER OF, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, S 2 34 DASH 97, UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL, SUBJECT OF COMPLIANCE OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, LISTED IN THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER REALER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND IT MYSELF. 
          ANY COMMENTS? I, I, I, I'M THINKING THAT I'M LIMITED TO ANY TYPE OF COMMENTS BECAUSE IT'S A FLAT AND, AND, UM, THE ONLY, THE 
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ONLY GREAT CONCERN I HAD WAS THERE WAS LITERALLY, UH, NO COMMUNITY OUTREACH. 
          THE COMMUNITY, I'M FOR SURE OF IT, UM, ESPECIALLY TO THIS MAGNITUDE. 
          AND ME AND I, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT TODAY AND SAW THAT IT WAS NOT JUST ROSE TERRACE, IT'S LIKE A SNEAK ATTACK FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, WHICH IS, UH, I MEAN IT TOTALLY A SNEAK ATTACK. 
          UM, BUT I GUESS WE'LL HANDLE THIS AFTER, WE'LL, WE'LL GO INTO THIS AFTER, UH, THIS PLANNING. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS. 
          SEE? NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. 
          UH, NUMBER 39 DIRECTLY REFLECT THAT MR. RUBIN IS BACK IN THE CHAMBER. 
          WE'RE READY MR. RESTA FOR WHEN YOU ARE. 
          NUMBER 39. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, 
          [39. 24-1469 An application to replat a 0.456-acre (19,856-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lots 2, 3, and 4 in City Block C/2764 to create one 9,559-square foot lot and one 10,297-square foot lot on property located on Bermuda Street, south of La Vista Drive. Applicant/Owner: 1811 Bermuda, LLC Surveyor: A & W Surveyors, Inc. Application Filed: April 3, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 14 S234-081 S234-081_Case Report S234-081_Plat Attachments:]
ITEM NUMBER 39 S 2 34 DASH 0 81. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO RELET, A 0.456 ACRE NINE. 
          THAT IS 19,856 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR IN CITY BLOCK C OVER 27 64 TO CREATE ONE 9,559 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 10,297 SQUARE FOOT LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON BERMUDA STREET SOUTH OF LAVISTA DRIVE. 
          15. 
          NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON APRIL, UH, 15, 20 24. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MR. ES. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS NUMBER 39 S 2 3 4 0 81. 
          GEORGE, DO WE HAVE OUR TWO SPEAKERS ONLINE? NO. 
          YES. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HEARD YOU, YOU STAYED? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TWO GENTLEMEN HERE? STAYED WITH US TILL 10 32. 
          QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION IN MATTER S 2 34 DASH 0 8 1 AND MOVE THROUGH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES NUMBER 40 
          [40. 24-1470 An application to replat a 0.497-acre (21,638-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lots 7 and 8 in City Block K/2839 to create one lot on property located on Lakewood Boulevard, northwest of Tokalon Drive. Owners: Pedro Roza Correa and Jennifer Robbins Correa Surveyor: Texas Heritage Surveying, LLC Application Filed: April 3, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shretha Council District: 9 S234-083 S234-083_Case Report S234-083_Plat Attachments:]
I, ITEM NUMBER 40 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 83. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLY A 0.497 ACRE, THAT IS 21,638 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT SEVEN AND EIGHT IN CITY BLOCK K OVER 28 39 TO CREATE ONE LOT AND PROPERTY LOCATED ON LAKEWOOD BOULEVARD NORTHWEST OF TOLAND DRIVE. 
          24 NOTICES WE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 15TH, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY AND OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR ESTIMATED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. TRUS. 
          IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM NUMBER 40 S 2 3 4 0 83. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES. 
          IN REGARD TO, UM, ITEM S 2 34 DASH 0 8 3, I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR, RUBEN, FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE HAVE IT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 41 S 2 3 4 
          [41. 24-1471 An application to replat a 0.785-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 5 in City Block H/5614 and Lot 8 in City Block I/5614 to create one lot on property located on Park Lane, west of Preston Road. Owners: Jared S. Jones, Trustee and Blueline Living Trust Surveyor: CBG Surveying Texas, LLC Application Filed: April 3, 2024 Zoning: R-16(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 13 S234-091 S234-091_Case Report S234-091_Plat Attachments:]
DASH 0 91. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLET A 0.7 85 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT FIVE IN CITY BLOCK EDGE OVER 56 14 
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AND LOT EIGHT IN CITY BLOCK I OVER 56 14 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON PARKLAND WEST OF PRESTON ROAD. 
          15 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 15TH, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS ESTIMATED HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT'S NUMBER 41 S 2 34 0 91. 
          COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF S 2 34 0 9 1, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HALL, YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 
          [42. 24-1472 An application to replat a 0.172-acre (7,500-square foot) tract of land containing all of Lots 27 and 28 in City Block 7/6083 to create one lot on property located on Cardinal Drive at Scotland Drive, northwest corner. Applicant/Owner: Aracely Rangel Surveyor: ARA Surveying Application Filed: April 4, 2024 Zoning: R-7.5(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 4 S234-093 S234-093_Case Report S234-093_Plat Attachments:]
42. 
          ITEM NUMBER 42 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 93. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLAT IS 0.172 ACRE. 
          THAT IS 7,500 SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING OLIVE LOTS 27 AND 28 IN CITY BLOCK SEVEN OVER 60 83 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON CARDINAL DRIVE AT SCOTTLAND DRIVE NORTHWEST CORNER 31 NOTICES WITHIN TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 15TH, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY AND OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? ITEM NUMBER 42 S 2 3 4 0 9 3 COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? C NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER FOR SEVEN? DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES. 
          YOUR, YOUR MIC PLEASE. 
          THE MIC? YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          IN THE MATTER OF CASE S 2 3 4 0 9 3, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS, UH, RELA THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORTE FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND MYSELF AND, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A AYE. 
          OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES 
          [43. 24-1473 An application to replat a 1.13-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1 and 2 in City Block 6/6586 to create two 0.56-acre lots, and to remove an existing 40-foot platted building line along Brookshire Circle and to extend an existing 20-foot platted building line along the northwest line of Brookshire Drive to the property line, on property bounded by Brookshire Circle and Brookshire Drive. Owners: Shaun Mammen, Peter Kofoed, Kristie Kofoed Surveyor: CBG Surveying Texas, LLC Application Filed: April 3, 2024 Zoning: R-16(A) Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 11 S234-090 S234-090_Case Report S234-090_Plat Page 1 S234-090_Plat Page 2 Attachments:]
NUMBER 43. 
          ITEM NUMBER 43 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 9 0. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPORT A 1.13 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF DOTS ONE AND TWO AND CITY BLOCKS SIX OVER 65 86 TO CREATE, TO CREATE TWO 0.56 ACRE LOTS AND, AND TO REMOVE AN EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE AND TO EXTEND AN EXISTING 20 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE NORTHWEST LINE OF BROOKSHIRE DRIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE AND BROOKSHIRE DRIVE. 
          19 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 15TH, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED NINE REPLIES IN FAVOR AND FIVE REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. 
          WE, IN ADDITION, WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION LIST. 
          THIS REQUEST REQUIRES TWO MOTIONS BECAUSE IT IS A REPLY AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING, UH, REMOVAL, REMOVAL OF THE PLA BUILDING LINE. 
          THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY REMOVING AN EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTERED BUILDING LINE STAFF. 
          RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, UM, ON THE BUILDING LINE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, ON RE PLAT IT'S APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ONE MOMENT WHILE I HOOK THIS UP. 
          APOLOGIES, THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS OPEN. 
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IT'S 10 O'CLOCK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS SKY THIBO I OFFICE OUT OF, UH, 24 59 HAMILTON DRIVE IN LEWISVILLE, TEXAS 7 5 0 6 7. 
          I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, WHO DID ACTUALLY, UH, UH, MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO, UH, UH, OR DID SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH TO THEIR NEIGHBORS. 
          ALL THE GREEN DOTS THAT YOU SEE ON THAT MAP IN FAVOR, UH, ARE ONES THAT THEY, UH, THEY MADE SURE TO GET IN. 
          THE ONES AT OPPOSITION JUST, UH, UNFORTUNATELY STAYED IN OPPOSITION. 
          UM, I WANTED TO FOCUS MY PRESENTATION, UH, MAINLY ON, UH, BASICALLY, UH, NOT ON HOW A, UH, A CART BEAT THE HORSE TO, UH, GET TO THIS POINT, UM, OR, UH, ANY CONCERNS THAT MIGHT BE EXPRESSED BY THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UH, BUT REALLY IN REGARD TO, UH, THIS PLAT AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS REGARD, UH, I WANNA POINT TO THIS LANGUAGE HERE THAT YOU SEE IN SECTION 51 DASH FOUR DASH 4 0 1. 
          THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD, AND I'LL JUST READ IT VERBATIM, IF THE CORNER LOT, WHICH THIS IS, HAS TWO STREET FRONTAGES OF UNEQUAL DISTANCE, THE SHORTER FRONTAGE IS GOVERNED BY THIS SECTION, AND THE LONGER FRONTAGE IS GOVERNED BY THE SIDE YARD REGULATIONS IN SECTION 51 DASH FOUR DASH 4 0 2. 
          SO WHAT THIS IS TELLING US, UH, WELL, LEMME BACK UP. 
          SO THE HOUSES ARE IN PLACE, SO I WANT YOU TO IMAGINE THAT THIS IS AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, UM, AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP, WHICH WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS, THIS MOTION. 
          FIRST, UH, WITH THE PLAT. 
          SO REALLY, UH, BROOKSHIRE DRIVE IS THE SHORTER FRONTAGE. 
          SO IT'S 190 FEET WITH BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE ARCING AROUND, UH, WELL OVER 250 FEET UNTIL YOU GET TO THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE, UH, OF THE, UH, TWO, UH, TWO LOTS. 
          UH, SO BASICALLY YOU CAN REALLY ONLY DEVELOP THIS UNDER TODAY'S CODE PER WHAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          SO THE FRONTAGE ALONG BROOKSHIRE DRIVE IS VALID, UH, PER THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEIR ZONING. 
          AND AGAIN, THE, UH, FRONT YARD, UH, SETBACK WOULD BE 35 FEET IN THE YARD, 16 DISTRICT AND THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, WHICH WOULD BE APPLIED, UH, PER THIS LANGUAGE TO BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE, IT IS 10 FEET. 
          AND THIS ISN'T TO BE HEAVY HANDED OR ANYTHING. 
          THIS IS JUST TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING, UH, NOT ONLY CITY CODE, BUT STATE, LOCAL, UH, STATE, UH, UH, PLATTING STATUTES AND TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. 
          UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO A ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN SUPPORT? ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR. 
          COME ON DOWN. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN BARTOW. 
          I LIVE AT 7 1 0 BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 0. 
          FIRST OF ALL, COUNSEL, I LEARNED THREE THINGS TODAY. 
          I, UM, I LEARNED HOW LONG A HEARING CAN GO. 
          I LEARNED THAT I SHOULD HAVE PACKED A DINNER AND I LEARNED THAT YOU'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS. 
          SO EXCUSE MY OUTBURST EARLIER, I APOLOGIZE. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HOPE YOU'LL HEAR ME. 
          I HAD SOME SLIDES. 
          UH, MY COMPUTER BATTERY ALSO DIDN'T LAST LONG ENOUGH TO SHOW MY SLIDES. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY I COULD PUT A PICTURE UP THERE? I'VE EMAILED IT TO, DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE SLIDES ON YOUR PHONE? MAYBE YOU CAN EMAIL 'EM TO STAFF. 
          YES, I CAN. 
          YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. 
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IT SAYS IT WENT. 
          NO, IT SAYS IT'S SENT. 
          NO NOTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          GOSH, IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY LATE. 
          YOU DO HAVE IT. 
          SO, WHILE HE'S PULLING THIS UP, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PLATTING ISSUE. 
          IT'S NOT NEARLY AS GRAND IN SCALE AS OUR FRIENDS AT FLORAL FARMS OR THE INCREDIBLE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON MCKINNEY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 
          THIS, THIS ENTIRE ISSUE AROUND THESE TWO LOTS STARTED IN 2019 WHEN THE TORNADO CAME THROUGH DALLAS AND DESTROYED MANY OF THE HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THESE TWO HOUSES, THESE TWO LOTS AT QUESTION THE ADDRESSES, WHICH FORMERLY FACED SOUTH ALONG BROOKSHIRE DRIVE, THE ADDRESSES WERE FLIPPED AND THEY WERE TURNED. 
          SO THEY FACED, THEY FORMERLY FACED BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE. 
          THEY WERE FLIPPED. 
          SO THEY FACED SOUTH ON BROOKSHIRE DRIVE. 
          SO THEY USED TO FACE NORTH WHERE THE WHITE ARROWS ARE. 
          NOW THEY FACED BLUE WHERE THE SOUTH WHERE THE, NOW THEY FACE SOUTH WHERE THE BLUE ARROW IS. 
          WHEN I CALLED CITY HALT TO ASK WHY WE WEREN'T NOTICED, I WAS INFORMED THERE WAS NO ZONING CHANGE, ONLY AN ADDRESS WAS CHANGED. 
          AND SO CONSTRUCTION BEGAN ON THE TWO HOUSES. 
          YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE, THE SOUTH WHERE THE BLUE ARROW IS, THERE'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK ALONG THE NORTH SIDE. 
          THERE'S A 40 FOOT SETBACK WITH CONSISTENT WITH EVERY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR AREA. 
          IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT OF THE 19 HOUSES NOTIFIED THESE 10, UH, AT LEAST TOLD US THEY WERE IN OPPOSITION, APPARENTLY ONLY FIVE SUBMITTED. 
          YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON THIS PLAT THAT THERE'S A POOL THAT WAS BUILT OUTSIDE OF THE 40 FOOT BUILDING. 
          THE BUILD THE LOT LINE CITY OF DALLAS ERRONEOUSLY ISSUED A PERMIT FOR THAT POOL TO BE CONSTRUCTED. 
          AND IT'S CLEARLY IN WHAT IS NOW THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. 
          SO ALL OF THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED AND BEFOREHAND, UH, NOW THE HOUSES FACE SOUTH WITH A 20 FOOT SETBACK OUT OF WHAT IS THEIR FRONT DOOR. 
          BUT I, I'D STRESS TO THE COUNCIL, THE FRONT YARD OF THE LOT HAS NOT CHANGED. 
          THE FRONT YARD OF THE LOT STILL HAS A 40 FOOT SETBACK ON IT. 
          IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, WHICH CALLS OUT WITH THOSE THREE ARROWS. 
          UM, NOTE THAT THERE'S A COUNTY DEED RESTRICTION. 
          IT ALSO COUNT WITH THE RED ARROW AT TOP. 
          IT SAYS, NOTE THAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 40 FEET. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER RED ARROW SAYS, UH, NOTE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS FORMALLY LISTED AS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY. 
          THE ADDRESS WAS CHANGED. 
          IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE OTHER APPROVED SITE PLAN HAS THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS. 
          FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 40 FEET. 
          ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S DEED RESTRICTIONS, COUNTY DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE IN PLACE. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE LAST SLIDE, PLEASE, I'D ALSO, THIS IS AN, UM, THIS IS AN, AN EXCERPT FROM ONE OF THE NOTES THAT STAFF PRESENTED, WHICH SAYS THAT 16 A HAS A 35 FOOT SETBACK IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THIS CHANGE, THIS REPL THE MAXIMUM SETBACK. 
          ALONG EVERY, EVERYTHING THAT FACES THE STREET WILL BE 20 FEET. 
          THAT'S A SIDE YARD SETBACK. 
          IT'S 20 FEET ON BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE. 
          IF YOU APPROVE THIS REPL AS REQUESTED, IT'LL BE 20 FOOT AROUND THE REST OF THE, THE CIRCLE FACING ALL THE HOUSES. 
          SO THE MAX, THERE'S NO FRONT YARD SETBACK, 16 A SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A 35 YARD, 35 YARD SETBACK IN YOUR FRONT YARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU FOR STAYING TONIGHT. 
          I KNOW IT'S LATE. 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS FOR A LONG TIME. 
          MY NAME IS SUE WHITE AND I LIVE, I NEED GLASSES. 
          I LIVE AT 
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7 1 1 5 BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE. 
          SO MY HOUSE, THE TORNADO WENT THROUGH THEIR HOUSE, THEN IT WENT THROUGH MY HOME AND I WAS IN IT. 
          SO, AND WE ALL GATHERED TOGETHER. 
          WE GOT EVERYONE OUT OF THEIR HOUSES. 
          IT WAS TRULY AN AMAZING NIGHT HOW EVERYONE STUCK TOGETHER. 
          THEY BOUGHT THESE LOTS, THEY TURNED THE HOUSES AROUND WITHOUT NO, NO COMMUNITY SUPPORT. 
          THEY DIDN'T EVEN TELL US. 
          WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW UNTIL THEY STARTED BUILDING. 
          SO NOW THEIR BACKYARD, WHAT USED TO BE MY NEIGHBOR'S FRONT YARD, FACING MY DOOR IS MY BACK, THEIR BACKYARD. 
          SO THEY WANNA PUT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, 15 FEET IN FRONT, RIGHT ON THE CURB, 15 FEET FROM THE CURB FACING MY FRONT DOOR. 
          AND IT SAYS OTHER STRUCTURES. 
          SO THEY PROBABLY WANNA PUT A POOL HOUSE. 
          WELL, THAT MEANS WHEN YOU COME AROUND THAT CIRCLE, I HAVE NO ONE HAS ANY VISIBILITY TO MY HOUSE. 
          AND I'M THERE 90% OF THE TIME ALONE. 
          SO THAT WOULD, IT'S, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR ME PERSONALLY. 
          AND KIDS DRIVING ON THE STREET, YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM. 
          I MEAN, IF A KID IS ON THE STREET RIGHT NOW WITH THEIR LITTLE FOREFOOT FENCES, YOU HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND MAKE SURE YOU GET AROUND THAT CURVE AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA HIT ANYONE ON A BIKE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A VERY COMMON ROAD FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO USE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON BROOKSHIRE DRIVE AND THERE'S NOT PEOPLE GOING VERY FAST. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A DANGER BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO BREAK IN. 
          RECENTLY, TWO WEEKS AGO, A MAN TRIED TO GET IN TWO BACKYARDS, TRIED TO GET INTO THE HOUSE, WHICH IS ONE BLOCK, NOT EVEN, IT'S THREE HOUSES DOWN, NOT WITHIN THE CIRCLE. 
          BUT THEN THEY CAME INTO THE CIRCLE. 
          MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY THE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION TWO THINGS. 
          FIRST, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD WOULD BE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION THAT ONLY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CAN GRANT NOT THIS BODY. 
          SECOND, THE BREAKING IN WHILE IS NOT, IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE BUILDING LINE IN THE PLANT AND NOT REALLY GERMANE TO THIS DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          I ASK YOU TO REJECT IT BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S THREE FRONT YARDS AND THEY WOULD HAVE A FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD AND IT WOULD CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY ABOUT PRESERVATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT NOTHING AGAINST THE PEOPLE THAT MOVED IN. 
          IT'S JUST WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS, I KNOW YOU SAY IT DOESN'T SET A PRECEDENCE, BUT I HEAR YOU GUYS TALK ALL DAY ABOUT, OH WELL IS THERE ANY OTHER BUILDING LIKE THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, YOU KEPT REFERRING TO OTHER THINGS. 
          SO IF THEY DO THAT, IF THEN MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS SELL. 
          'CAUSE I HAD TO REBUILD MY HOME. 
          SO IF MY NEXT NEIGHBOR SELL, I'LL HAVE A HOUSE 10 FEET IN FRONT OF MINE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I AM REALLY OPPOSED TO IT. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          HELLO, MY NAME'S JASON LEBAR. 
          I'M AT 71 21 BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE. 
          I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET IN OCTOBER 19. 
          WE HAD THAT TORNADO. 
          BEFORE THAT TORNADO, WE HAD TWO HOUSES ON THE QUOTE UNQUOTE ISLAND. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE HAD TWO NICE HOUSES. 
          THEY HAD NICE POOLS. 
          EVERYTHING FIT IN THE, IN THE GRID. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. KFO IS A STEWARD OF THE LAND. 
          HE'S THE ONE WHO BOUGHT BOTH OF THESE LOTS. 
          HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE ACTIONS. 
          WHEN HE WENT TO GO GET HIS PERMIT FOR THE HOUSE, HE DID NOT INCLUDE A PERMIT FOR THE POOL. 
          HE WENT BACK TO GET A PERMIT FOR THE POOL. 
          KNOWINGLY THAT IT WAS OUT OF THE LINES. 
          THIS IS NOT A COMMON THING BECAUSE OF THE THREE FRONT YARDS CITY MADE A MISTAKE, POTENTIALLY CAN'T HOLD THE CITY RESPONSIBLE. 
          BUT MR. KFO IS AGAIN THE STEWARD OF THE LAND. 
          HIS PROFESSION IS DEVELOPING LAND. 
          HE KNOWS THE RULES AND IF HE DIDN'T KNOW THE RULES, HIS BUILDER SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE RULES. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL HOUSES BUILT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'VE WATCHED EVERY ONE OF 'EM BUILT IN THE LAST FOUR AND A HALF. 
          YEARS'S BEEN A LONG, LONG TIME. 
          THIS BUILDER DID NOT ACT LIKE THE REST OF THE BUILDERS. 
          NO, THE REST OF THE BUILDERS, MRS. GUEST'S HOUSE, MRS. WHITE'S HOUSE, J'S HOUSE, EVERYBODY ELSE'S HOUSES, THEY WERE BUILT. 
          WE HAD PEOPLE OUT FRONT. 
          NOBODY HAD ANY PROBLEMS. BUT HERE WE HAVE PROBLEMS. AND NOW THEY WANT TO CHANGE THIS AND REPL THIS. 
          AND IF THEY REPLANT THIS, WE WILL HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN OUR BACKYARD. 
          THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SWIM IN THE SWIMMING POOL THAT IS BUILT ILLEGALLY. 
          THEY'VE BEEN TOLD NOT TO HAVE WATER IN THE POOL YET. 
          THEY PUT WATER IN THE POOL. 
          THEY'VE BEEN HAVING PARTIES AND THEY HAVE NEGLECTED EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALL TRIED TO DO. 
          THE LAST 
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TIME WE CAME TO A MEETING TWO MONTHS AGO UPSTAIRS, THE CAFOS WERE TOLD TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GET THIS RIGHT. 
          THE ONLY THING THEY REACHED FOR IS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO IN THE CITY THEY COULD GET TO GET ON THEIR SIDE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 
          WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. 
          WE'VE HAD ANOTHER COUPLE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE HERE THIS MORNING, OR 1231 LADY. 
          SHE WAS 82 YEARS OLD. 
          SHE CAN'T STAY HERE THAT LONG. 
          SHE'S BEEN THERE 35 YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SHE IS NOT HAPPY WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. 
          WE ASKED FOR FENCE LIKE WE HAD BEFORE IN THESE YARDS. 
          IT WAS A ROD IRON FENCE, A CLEAR FENCE. 
          MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE HOUSES STILL HAS THE EXISTING FENCE THAT WAS IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          IT'S STILL IN THEIR BACKYARD. 
          THEY NEVER TOOK IT OUT. 
          THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF FENCES WE WERE ASKING FOR BECAUSE SEE ON THE CIRCLE WE HAVE 15 TO 20 FEET OF, OF ELEVATION. 
          SO WHEN I WOULD WALK OUT MY LOT, I COULD LOOK TO BOTH CORNERS AND I COULD SEE CARS COMING UP. 
          NOW I CAN'T SEE CARS COMING UP OKAY BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION. 
          SO SEVERAL NEIGHBORS HAVE YOUNG KIDS. 
          MY TWO KIDS HAVE GRADUATED, THEY'RE IN COLLEGE. 
          BUT IT'S FOR ALL THE OTHER KIDS TO HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT MY KIDS HAD TO PLAY IN THE YARD. 
          AND WE DO NOT WANT TO TURN THIS INTO AN ALLEYWAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          THAT WAS, WE HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          WE HAVE 12 PEOPLE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US ALL. 
          LISTEN, EVERYBODY, YOU, YOU DIDN'T GET THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT SIGNED FOR THIS, SIR. 
          YOUR, YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE ALL GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          WELL WE HOPE THAT YOU DECIDE THAT YOU GO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK FOR STAYING WITH US. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION PER OUR RULE? SIR, YOU GET A REBUTTAL TIME. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REPEAT, THE ZONING IS IN PLACE. 
          UH, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE ZONING. 
          UH, THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY MENTIONED, UM, ABOUT FENCES IN FRONT YARDS. 
          IF WE FOLLOW THESE RULES AND THEN ALLOW THE HOUSE TO, UH, BE IN CONFORMANCE TO THE ZONING, THEN THE SIDE YARD BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE IS NO LONGER A FRONT YARDS. 
          THERE REALLY WOULD BE NO ISSUE THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          COMMISSIONER RUBIN, PLEASE. 
          YEAH, AND I, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I FORGOT YOUR NAME, SIR. 
          MR. VEDA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. 
          SO IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST TO MAKE THE, THE SWIMMING POOL LEGAL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THE SWIMMING POOL IS ILLEGAL. 
          IT'S NOT A NO BUILD LINE. 
          IT'S A BUILDING LINE. 
          SO VERTICAL STRUCTURES VERSUS FLAT WORK. 
          UM, I'M NOT SO IN TUNE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS BUILDING, UH, OFFICIAL CODES IN THAT REGARD. 
          BUT DOES THE POOL VIOLATE THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING LINE? STRUCTURES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. 
          THE CITY CODE CONSIDERS A SWIMMING POOL TO BE A STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY, SO I MEAN, JUST, JUST WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST? LIKE IN, IN YEAH. 
          BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE, UH, SHOULD NOT BE A FRONT YARD SETBACK. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT A FRONT YARD. 
          VER PER THE, UH, JUST, JUST WHAT'S WHAT'S THE REAL WORLD PURPOSE OF THIS? LIKE, BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE SHOULD NOT BE A FRONT YARD SETBACK. 
          WHAT'S THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATION? WHAT DO YOU SO MY CLIENTS CAN ENJOY THEIR BACKYARD, UH, IN PRIVATE. 
          SO YOU CAN ERECT A FENCE BACK THERE PER CODE? YES, SIR. 
          PER CODE OF IF THEY WANT TO YEAH. 
          OR ANY OTHER DEVICE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT, THE PURPOSE IS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BACKYARD. 
          UM, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ON THE MICROPHONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME'S KATIE GANGLER. 
          7 2 2 5 BROOKSHIRE. 
          SO THE PURPOSE IS THOUGH, THAT WE CAN HAVE A BACKYARD BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS. 
          AND SO WITH KIDS, WE'D, THE BUILDING LINE IS SO CLOSE TO OUR HOUSE THAT WE, WE CAN'T HAVE ANY SHADE STRUCTURE. 
          WE CAN'T HAVE A POOL, WE CAN'T HAVE A RETAINING WALL TO STOP. 
          MY HOUSE IS FLOODING RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO WITH THREE FRONT YARDS, IMAGINE TRYING TO ENJOY YOUR HOME. 
          SO THIS IS JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BACKYARD, REALLY. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY. 
          AND THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY ON HOW TO SOLVE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR YES, THE, UH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          TIP AU MR. TDO, I APOLOGIZE. 
          YOU SHOULD TRY TO SPELL IT. 
          SO T-I-B-A-U-X. 
          IT'S CLOSE. 
          YEAH. 
           D OKAY. 
          UH, YOU TOLD ME TO TRY. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I, YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THAT THIS IS SO YOU CAN ENJOY YOUR BACKYARD, 
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YOUR HOME. 
          WOULD THIS HAD BEEN A QUESTION AND A PROBLEM IF THE FRONT, IF THE THE HOUSES HAD BEEN BUILT WITH THE FRONT IN, IN THE FRONT WHERE IT ORIGINALLY WAS AND NOT IN THE BACK WHERE IT USED TO BE? I, I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH THE QUESTION. 
          WOULD THIS BE ALLOWED TO BE DEVELOPED WITH THE HOUSES FRONTING, UM, UH, BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE UNDER THE, UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT CODE? I, I SHARED WITH YOU GUYS TONIGHT, THAT'S IN YOUR CODE. 
          WOULD YOU BE ALLOWED TO FRONT THE HOUSES TO BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE? YOU'RE, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE FRONT WAS WHERE, WHERE THE BACK IS NOW. 
          SO I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN. 
          WOULD WE BE HERE WITH THIS DISCUSSION? AND THE QUESTION, IF THE HOUSES HAD BEEN BUILT THE WAY THEY WERE BEFORE THE HURRICANE TO MAKE YOU WHOLE, I'M NOT POSITIVE. 
          THEY COULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO BE REBUILT THE WAY THEY WERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU SUFFER A PER CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF CASUALTY AND THEN YOU HAVE TO REBUILD TO TODAY'S CODES ABOVE 51%. 
          I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. 
          UM, BUT ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU SUFFER CASUALTY, UM, AND BASICALLY YOUR PROPERTY IS DEMOLISHED ESSENTIALLY AND UNDEVELOPED, I GUESS TECHNICALLY. 
          UM, YOU'RE NOW IN TODAY'S CODE. 
          AND I WOULD SAY THAT PER THE LANGUAGE AND THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK THAT NO, IT COULDN'T. 
          UM, UNLESS I'M NOT THINKING OF SOME KIND OF PROVISION. 
          I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER CHAIR. 
          NOT PLEASE. 
          SO THE, OBVIOUSLY YOU WENT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND IN THAT PROCESS, WHAT WERE YOU TOLD EXACTLY? YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE HISTORY OF THE SITE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW. 
          UM, WHERE IT, IT STARTED IN, IN, UM, UH, WITH A REGULAR BUILDING PERMIT. 
          UH, THIS, THIS PLATTING SITUATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED, UH, AT THE BEGINNING, UH, AND REMOVED. 
          IT JUST WASN'T, IT WASN'T CAUGHT THROUGH WHOEVER DID IT AND WHY, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THEIR STAFF HAS A WRITEUP, UH, ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, KIND OF THE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHO DID WHAT AND WHY. 
          UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE REALLY, THIS PLAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE FIRST AND WE SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS AND THEN GONE THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. 
          BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU DON'T NEED A PLA TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, I GUESS TO, UH, UH, PULL THE ONE THAT THEY WERE, UH, WANTING TO BUILD. 
          UH, IT WAS DETERMINED AT SOME POINT A THIS PLAT OR THIS PERMIT WAS ISSUED IMPROPERLY. 
          UM, SO AT SOME POINT THE ZONING ISSUE NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AND THEY CAUGHT IT, UM, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, OR I GUESS TOWARDS THE END OF THE, UH, OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES. 
           PLEASE, IT TYPICALLY, UH, BUILDING INSPECTION, JUST BUILDING INSPECTIONS WHEN YOU SUBMIT, THEY'RE JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A LEGAL BUILDING SITE. 
          AND THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS IT WON'T GO INTO 'EM, BUT WHAT CREATES A LEGAL BUILDING SITE? SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S MAYBE NOT EVEN GERMANE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT HOW WE GOT TO THIS SITUATION IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THEIR FAULT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THERE'S PROBABLY HALF A DOZEN WAYS OF HOW WE COULD GET HERE. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND YOU'RE, YOU, YOUR SMALLER CITIES JUST DOESN'T REALLY HAPPEN SO MUCH. 
          'CAUSE ONE TIME I, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT IN MY CAREER I WAS A DIRECTOR, SO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WAS ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES. 
          AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE WHEN THESE THINGS CAME IN THAT, UH, HIS REVIEWERS WERE, WERE, UH, UH, TRAINED UP IN ENOUGH ZONING TO CATCH THESE ISSUES. 
          SO YOU DIDN'T GET INTO THIS, UH, THESE KIND OF WEEDS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR FOLKS ONLINE? QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER LER, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. 
          COULD I POSE A QUESTION TOWARDS THE STAFF? I I WAS JUST A LITTLE FOGGY ON ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU SAID. 
          SURE. 
          THE 20 FOOT SETBACK, WOULD THAT BE APPLIED TO ALL THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THESE TWO HOUSES? IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? NO. 
          SO 20 FOOT BUILDING LAND WILL BE ONLY ALONG THE BROOKSIDE DRIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I, I REMEMBER THAT WAS STATED. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. 
          AND, UH, UH, JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, THE BROOKSHIRE DRIVE IS CONSIDERED, I 
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JUST VERIFIED FROM OUR ZONING, UH, BILL INSPECTION, UH, SECTION. 
          SO THE BROOKSHIRE DRIVE IS CONSIDERED A FRONT YARD SINCE IT'S LIKE TWO FRONT YARD WITH ICAL SIZES. 
          SO THE BROOKSHIRE DRIVE IS CONSIDERED A FRONT YARD, AND THE BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE IS CONSIDERED A SIDE YARD SETBACK, WHICH HAS, UH, 10 FOOT, UH, SO MINIMUM SIDE AND MINIMUM SIDE YARD FOR A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE IS 10 FEET. 
          AND MINIMUM SIDE YARD FOR PERMITTED STRUCTURE IS 15 FEET. 
          IT'S RR 16, UH, ZONING DESTROYED. 
          UH, ONE MORE THING. 
          AS A RESULT OF A DENIAL OF THIS FIRST MOTION, WOULD THE OWNERS BE BEHOLDEN TO REMOVING THE POOL THAT'S BUILT ACROSS THAT BOUNDARY LINE? IT WOULD REALLY BECOME A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE AT THAT POINT IF THEY BUILT SOMETHING. 
          AND THAT'S PROHIBITED BY THE PLAT IN THE BUILDING LINE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS HERE, PLEASE? WHOEVER THAT WAS, I COULDN'T TELL. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IS THAT COMMISSIONER? IT'S COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAMPTON, PLEASE. 
          MR. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD. 
          YOU'VE SAID THAT THE BUILDING LINE, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, WOULD BE 20 FEET. 
          HOWEVER, THE FRONT YARD ON BERKSHIRE DRIVE WOULD BE ESTABLISHED AT 35. 
          SO DOESN'T THAT CREATE A CONFLICT? SO, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 20 FOOT BUILDING LINE ON BROOKSHIRE DRIVE AND 40 FEET ALONG THE BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE. 
          SO THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE 40 FOOT BUILDING LINE ALONG BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE. 
          AND, UM, SINCE IT'S GONNA BE HANGING, SO THE 20 FOOT BUILDING LINE WILL BE EXTENDED TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO THAT KIND OF TOUCH, UH, THE PROPERTY. 
          SO THERE WILL BE ONLY EXISTING 20 FOOT BUILDING LINE ALONG BROOKSHIRE DRIVE, SINCE WE DON'T, SINCE AFTER REMOVING THE BUILDING LINE, LIKE 40 FOOT BUILDING LINE, THERE IS NO ANY BUILDING LINE. 
          SO IT GOVERNS. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING SETBACK, WHICH IS, SINCE THAT BROOKSHIRE IS CONSIDERED A SIDE YARD SETBACK, THEY HAVE 10 FOOT OUT, SO IT GO, SO THEY HAVE 10 FOOT SETBACKS, SIDE YARD SETBACKS ONCE 40 FOOT IS REMOVED. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING FEEDBACK THAT IS 10 FOOT. 
          I'M NOT SORRY. 
          YOU GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, I, THIS IS JASON POOLE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADMINISTRATOR. 
          UH, JUST TO JUMP IN ON THE TAIL END OF THAT QUESTION, THE, UH, FRONT YARD WOULD BE ALONG THE SHORTER FRONTAGE, WHICH WOULD BE ALONG THE BERKSHIRE DRIVE, AND THAT BUILDING LINE IS GONNA OVERRIDE THE ZONING. 
          SO IT WOULD LEAVE THAT FRONT YARD SETBACK IN A 20 FOOT LINE WHERE THAT BUILDING LINE IS, IF THAT HELPS CLARIFY YOU. 
          DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, PLEASE. 
          UM, THIS PROBABLY WAS COVERED BEFORE, BUT I DIDN'T RETAIN IT. 
          IF IT WAS THE, THE WAY THIS LOT OR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, LOT IS BUILT ARE, ARE, ARE THE HOMES ON BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE NORMALLY FACING ONTO BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE AND SO THAT THOSE THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THE LOOP OF BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE, THEY ACTUALLY BACK UP TO BROOKSHIRE DRIVE. 
          THOSE ARE THE YARDS, SIR. 
          UM, UM, SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, WHO, WHO ARE YOU ASKING YOUR QUESTION TO AND WHOEVER THAT HE NEEDS TO COME DOWN SO OUR FOLKS ONLINE CAN HEAR HIM ON THE, THE MICROPHONE? I'M ASKING, UH, YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'LL DIRECT IT TO THE PROPER PERSON. 
          ? YEAH, . 
          WHY DON'T WE LET MS. ESTA TAKE THAT ONE THEN? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, PLEASE? YES. 
          UH, I, I, IF, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, THE, THE HOME SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IN, IN EFFECT, WHAT IS THAT ISLAND BETWEEN BROOKSHIRE DRIVE AND BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THIS AND THIS ON THIS LOT, THERE WAS FORMALLY A HOME WHOSE FRONT YARD FACED BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT NOW WOULD FACE 
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BROOKSHIRE DRIVE AND THE BACKYARD WOULD YES. 
          FACE BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE. 
          SO THAT'S, IT'S SORT OF FLIPPED AROUND IN ORIENTATION FROM THE WAY IT WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY, SO HERE'S THE LOT. 
          HE USED TO FACE IT HERE, MATTER FACING IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO IT MADE THAT A BACKYARD AND IT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S OPPOSITE OF WHAT THIS PICTURE SAYS. 
          THAT MUST BE A PRE YES. 
          OKAY, JUST COMMISSIONER SLEEPER DID, WAS THAT, I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          OH, YOU'RE FINE. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I'M, I'M GONNA COMPLICATE THINGS FOR YOU HERE IN ABOUT TWO SECONDS. 
          OKAY? I'M GONNA, MS. ESTA IS THE, UH, IS THE PICTURE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE DOCKET, AN OLD PICTURE, HER AND JUST TO, UH, PULL THE CURTAIN BACK, FOLKS WE'RE, UH, WE CAN ONLY CONSIDER WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR DOCKET. 
          WE CAN'T VISIT THE SITE, WE CAN'T LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE. 
          WE CAN DO NOTHING BUT MAKE OUR DECISION ON WHAT'S INCLUDED WITH THE STAFF REPORT. 
          AND IT'S A, SO THIS IS NOT THE QUESTION HERE. 
          THE, THE PICTURE HERE IS NOT WHAT WAS USED TO ANSWER YOUR QUE YOUR, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS OPPOSITE OF WHAT'S THE PICTURE ON THE, AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD THE ANSWER. 
          IS THAT AN OLD PICTURE? IF YOU SEE, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          SO EQUAL, OKAY. 
          ON 17 EDGE ON PLA THERE IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S THE CURRENT ONE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE SWIMMING POOL ON FACING ON THE BROOK CHART CIRCLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS THE OLD PICTURE, OKAY? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          THE PICTURE'S AN OLD PICTURE, SO IT'S, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER? SEEING NONE? COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IN CASE NUMBER S 2 34 DASH ZERO NINE, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, DENY THE REQUEST TO REMOVE AN EXISTING 40 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG BROOKSHIRE CIRCLE AND TO EXTEND AN EXISTING 20 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE NORTHWEST LINE OF BROOKSHIRE DRIVE WITH THE FINDING OF THE FACT THAT REDUCTION OF THAT PORTION OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE WILL BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST AND ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? SEE NONE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES? ABBOT. 
          WE DO NEED A SECOND MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN THE CASE NUMBER S 2 34 DASH NINE, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFFERS RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE REPL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED TO THE DOCKET TO APPROVE. 
          IS TO APPROVE. 
          TO APPROVE. 
          IS THAT YES. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY PLEASE? YEAH. 
          SO THE MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE REPL, WHICH GOES BACK TO WHAT I TELL YOU GUYS THAT IF THE PLAT CONFORMS WITH THE ZONING AND, UM, MEETS THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE COMPLIES WITH 8.503, THEN IT'S MINISTERIAL AND YOU HAVE TO APPROVE. 
          SO IN THIS CASE IT WOULD, THE LINE WOULD JUST REMAIN ON THERE AS IT WAS. 
          COOL. 
          I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT IF WE VOTED TO DENY THE REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING LINE, DOES THAT CHALLENGE THE REPL? SO IF WE DENY THE, THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING LINE, DO, DOES THAT NOT MAKE THE REPL NON-CONFORMING OR NOT NON-CONFORMING, BUT BECAUSE IF, IF YOU, IF IF WE DON'T REMOVE THE BUILDING LINE, THEN THE, THE REPL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN MY WAY OF THINKING. 
          AND MAYBE I'M TIRED. 
          IT'S 1130, SO YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE. 
          I SUSPECT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY WILL JUST WITHDRAW THE PLA THE REPLANT AND NOT GO FORWARD WITH IT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO IT AGAIN. 
          UH, DID THE REST OF THE BODY CATCH THAT ANSWER? YOU REPEAT IT? SECOND MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOUR, YOUR MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RUBIN. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT PLEASE. 
          I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE MOTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          NO, I, I THINK HALF OF US, UH, MR. MOORE, CAN YOU BASICALLY EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE TWO MOTIONS WORK 
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TOGETHER? YES. 
          THE FIRST FOR DENIAL, THE SECOND ONE FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS THAT ARE INDEPENDENT OF ONE ANOTHER. 
          THE FIRST IS FOR THE BUILDING LINE, THE MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED WAS TO DENY THE REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING LINE. 
          SO THE BUILDING LINE REMAINS. 
          SO THE SECOND MOTION IS JUST A MOTION ON THE REPL. 
          AND THE QUESTION BEFORE THE BODY FOR THAT IS WHETHER OR NOT IT COMPLIES WITH ARTICLE EIGHT STATE LAW, ALL OF THOSE MINISTERIAL THINGS THAT I TELL YOU GUYS ALL THE TIME AND A AND 8.503. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A REGULAR REPL AT THIS POINT. 
          DOES THAT HELP? COMMISSIONER? IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE THAT COMMISSIONER SLEEPER VICE, VICE CHAIR , DOES THIS REPL EVEN CHANGE ANYTHING? DON'T WE HAVE TO COME IN AND REPL ANYTIME WE, WE ALSO CHANGE A BUILDING LINE. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS TWO MOTIONS, RIGHT? THERE'S ALWAYS TWO MOTIONS. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE, WE DENIED THE FIRST AND THE MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR THIS IS TO APPROVE THE PLAT. 
          PLEASE SECOND THE I DO, UH, COMMISSIONER, I SURE RUBEN SECOND THE MOTION. 
          PLEASE ASK IF WE'RE, WE, WE'RE, WE'RE VOTING IN TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. 
          YES SIR. 
          THE FIRST ONE WAS DENIED. 
          THE SECOND ONE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL. 
          AND MR. MOORE HAS ASSURED US THAT IT, THERE IS NO CONFLICT IN, IN THE TWO. 
          IT, WE, IT'S PERFECTLY APROPO TO DENY THE FIRST AND APPROVE THE SECOND. 
          SORRY IF THAT WAS A QUESTION. 
          YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          CHAIR, UH, O ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HERE SO LONG AND I HATE TO LEAVE. 
          UM, , CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS WE JUST DID? IF WE, IF WE APPROVE, IF WE DENY THE FIRST AND APPROVE THE SECOND THERE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. 
          AND SO IT'S TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS. 
          ONE IS TO REMOVE THE BUILDING LINE FROM THE PLAT AND THAT WAS DENIED. 
          SO NOW THE QUESTION IS ON THE PLAT ITSELF AND PLATS ARE STILL MINISTERIAL EVEN WHEN THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BUILDING LINE. 
          SO THE QUESTIONS STILL BEFORE THE BODY IS, DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE ZONING? DOES IT COMPLY WITH ARTICLE EIGHT STATE LAW AND DOES IT MEET 8.503? DOES THAT HELP COMMISSIONER? UM, IS IT FAIR TO SAY, WOULD IT HELP YOU? AND THIS IS CORRECT, THAT APPROVING THE PLAT DOES NOT ERASE NOT APPROVING THE YEAH, IT DOESN'T REPLACE IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          PLEASE. 
          OKAY, SO WE SAID WE ARE NOT REMOVING THE BUILDING LINES. 
          WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS THE, THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO. 
          BUT IN 8.503, DOES THE REPL PLAT CONFORM WITH THE, THE LIKENESS OF THE OTHER PLATS WITHIN THE AREA? AND BECAUSE IT DOES, AND IF THIS IS A MINISTERIAL ACTION, WE MUST APPROVE IT. 
          EVEN THOUGH THERE BUILDING LINES WILL NOT MAKE SENSE. 
          WHAT IS THE IMPACT? WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE FIRST MOTION WE'RE DOING? DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GIVE IT A SHOT, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. MOORE, IF YOU HAVE OUR DOCKET UP ON PAGE 43 H IS IT CORRECT THAT THE BUILDING LINES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THAT ARE THE BUILDING LINES THAT ARE EXISTING AND THE CHANGES WERE DENIED? SO THOSE ARE REMAIN, THE PLAT REFLECTS THE TWO LOTS WE'RE DISCUSSING OR CONSIDERING. 
          AND SO THE BUILDINGS FIT WITHIN THE BUILDING LINES AS SUBMITTED. 
          SO WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING THIS BECOMES THE TWO LOTS IF IT'S APPROVED. 
          SO THE BUILDING LINES ARE AS EXISTING AND REMAINS. 
          SO THE PLAT APPEARS TO BE WHAT'S ON THE GROUND OF WHAT THE BODY IS CONSIDERING. 
          IS THAT FAIR? SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, BUT AS YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, I'M A LAWYER. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND PLAT THAT WELL. 
          SO I WOULD REFER OR DEFER TO MS UH, RETA TO INTERPRET SOME OF THE PLATS. 
          BUT LEGALLY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. 
          HIGH LEVEL MS. RUSS, IS THAT CORRECT? THE PLATT'S THERE, THE BUILDING LINES ARE THERE. 
          THE BUILDINGS THAT EXIST TODAY ARE AS SHOWN? YES. 
          SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ALREADY PLANTED PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          IT'S ALREADY TWO PLANTED PIECE OF, UH, LAND. 
          I'M LIKE WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY LOT SIZE, NOTHING. 
          IT'S 
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ALREADY THERE. 
          AND NOW SINCE WE ARE GONNA, SINCE UH, SINCE THE BUILDING LINE IS BEEN DENIED, SO IT'S GONNA STAY. 
          SO BASICALLY IT'S STAY THE SAME. 
          OKAY, STAY THE SAME WITH THAT MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER WHEELER. 
          I'M OVER HERE HALF SLEEP, BUT I'M, I'M ASKING A QUESTION. 
          UM, BECAUSE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS JUST HAPPENED IN SOUTH DALLAS. 
          I WAS INVOLVED BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SEEN A RED AND WHITE SIGN. 
          AUTOMATICALLY THOUGHT IT WAS ZONING COMMISSION, BUT IT WAS BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          , WHY IS THIS A ZONING CASE? WHY IS THIS A PLATTING CASE AND NOT A WHY? WHY IS THIS A, WHY ISN'T THIS A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? UM, 'CAUSE IT WAS SIMILAR. 
          THEY WANTED THEIR LINE MOVED. 
          UM, FIVE FEET OR SOMETHING OR ADJUSTED. 
          WHY IS THIS? CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THIS IS NOT A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, IT'S, IT'S 1120 AT NIGHT AND YOU JUST ASKED THE, THE BEST QUESTION OF THE EVENING, THE ENTIRE DAY IN FACT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM HERE THAT WE COULDN'T TALK ABOUT. 
          BUT NOW WE CAN COMMISSIONER, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, IT'S BEFORE CPC BECAUSE THEY FILED THE PLOT. 
          I MEAN THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE REASON WHY I SUPPOSE THEY COULD GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND TRY AND SEEK A VARIANCE. 
          SO, AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS, THIS IS JASON POOL AGAIN. 
          HEY JASON. 
          YES, MR. POOL. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH A BUILD LINE. 
          THEY CAN ONLY AFFECT THE ZONING. 
          SINCE THERE'S A BUILD LINE IN PLACE, THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE A BUILD LINE IS TO PLATTING MR POOL. 
          AND EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY ASK A FOLLOW UP PLEASE. 
          IT COULD ADJUST BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT COULD CONSIDER THE SETBACK COMPONENT. 
          AND I THINK AND I AND I AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS, AGAIN, THIS JUST HAPPENED IN MY DISTRICT. 
          MAYBE A MONTH AGO THEY CALLED ME. 
          I WANTED TO KNOW WHY IT WAS A SETBACK, IT BACK FIVE FEET OR SOMETHING. 
          THEY NEEDED A VARIANCE AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DID, UH, IS WHO THEY WENT BEFORE AND NOT, UH, . 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION. 
          LET'S DO THAT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO UH, APPROVE THE PLAT. 
          IT'S BEEN SECONDED. 
          ANY FOR NO FURTHER DISCUSSION? LET'S HAVE A A VOTE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THE IMPOSED AYE. 
          HAVE IT. 
          I'LL KEEP GOING. 
          [44. 24-1474 An application to replat a 21.354-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 16 in City Block A/7169, all of Lots 1 through 7 in City Block B/7169, all of Lots 1 through 50 in City Block C/7169, all of Lots 1 through 27 in City Block D/7169, all of Lots 1 through 23 in City Block E/7169, all of Lots 9 through 28 in City Block F/7169, all of Lots 9 through 13 in City Block G/7169; a portion of Logan Drive, all of Marcole Street, a portion of Wilson Street, all of Lacoleman Street, a portion of Lapsey Avenue, a portion of Blandy Street, portion of Alley and a portion of Dallas Power and Light company right-of-way easement, to create one lot and to remove all existing 25-foot platted building lines, on property located on Claibourne Boulevard, north of Singleton Boulevard. Applicant/Owner: AR & PR, LLC Surveyor: Centro Resources, LLC Application Filed: April 4, 2024 Zoning: LI Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to compliance with the conditions listed in the docket. Planner: Sharmila Shrestha Council District: 6 S234-095 S234-095_Case Report S234-095_Plat Attachments:]
CASE NUMBER 44, ITEM NUMBER 44 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 95. 
          IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLE A 21.3 54 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING OLIVE OF LOT SIX, LOT 16 IN CITY BLOCK A OVER 71 69, ALL OF LOTS ONE THROUGH SEVEN IN CITY BLOCK B OVER 71 69, ALL OF LOTS. 
          ONE THROUGH 15 IN CITY BLOCK C OVER 71 69, ALL OF LOTS. 
          ONE THROUGH 27 IN CITY BLOCK D OVER 71 69, ALL OF LOTS. 
          ONE THROUGH 23 IN CITY BLOCK E OVER 71 69, ALL OF LOTS NINE THROUGH 28 IN CITY BLOCK F OVER 71 69, ALL OF LOTS NINE THROUGH 13 IN CITY BLOCK. 
          0 71 69. 
          A PORTION OF LOGAN DRIVE. 
          ALL OF MARCOLE STREET, A PORTION OF WILSON STREET, ALL OF LAMANN STREET, A PORTION OF LEFTY AVENUE, A PORTION OF BLANDY STREET PORTION OF ALLEY AND A PORTION OF DALLAS POWER AND LIGHT COMPANY RIGHT OF EASEMENT TO CREATE ONE LOT AND TO CREATE ONE LOT AND TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING 25 FOOT PLAID BUILDING LINES ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON CLAYBURN BOULEVARD NORTH OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD. 
          THIS REQUEST REQUIRES TWO MOTION BECAUSE IT IS A PLAID AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE PLAID BUILDING LINES. 
          THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY THE EXISTING PLAID BUILDING LINES. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL ON BUILDING LINE REMOVAL OF BUILDING LINE STAFF RECOMMENDATION REPLIED APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. 
          NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER QUESTION. 
          THIS IS FOR BASICALLY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, BUT AS A QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK MS. RETA, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THIS PARCEL IS ZONED LIVE INDUSTRIAL OF TOP LAND ORIGINALLY PLANTED AS RESIDENTIAL LOTS? BECAUSE IT IS AN EPA SUPERFUND SITE THAT THE EPA SU DEEMED UNSUITABLE FOR HUMAN HABITATION ABOUT FOUR DECADES AGO. 
          'CAUSE IT HAD BEEN USED AS SEVERAL CITY LANDFILLS AS A DUMPING AREA IN A LANDFILL FOR BATTERY SLAG AND CHIPS AND LEAD CONTAMINATED MATERIAL FROM THE RSR LEAD SMELTER. 
          AND AS THE PLAID ONLY HAS TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT ZONING, I WILL BE APPROVING IT. 
          BUT THAT IS THE EXPLANATION AS TO WHY 
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A LIGHT INDUSTRIALLY ZONED PARCEL IS LYING IN A, WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AREA ATOP LOTS THAT ARE PLATTED THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PLATTED RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, YES, COMMISSIONER, I WAS NOT AWARE OF ALL THIS EP ALL THIS INFORMATION, BUT UH, YES, CURRENTLY IS, CURRENTLY IT IS ZONED AS INDUSTRY. 
          I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          WE'RE READY FOR YOUR MOTION PLEASE. 
          OKAY, IN CASE NUMBER S 2 3 4 DASH 0 9 5, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE AN EXISTING 25 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG CLAYBORN AT BOULEVARD NORTH OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD. 
          WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT REDUCTION OF THAT PORTION OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK LINE LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATION BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONER PROPERTY FOR YOUR MOTION, VICE CHAIR FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          A AND OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES NUMBER 45. 
          NO SECOND MOTION. 
          SECOND MOTION. 
          OH PARDON, MEAM, I'M SORRY. 
          PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          THAT'S ALRIGHT. 
          IT'S LATE. 
          IN CASE NUMBER S 2 34 DASH 0 9 5. 
          I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE REPL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          AND COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          NUMBER 
          [45. 24-1475 An application for a Certificate of Appropriateness by Marie Byrum of BYRUM SIGN & LIGHTING, for a 36-square-foot neon illuminated attached projecting sign at 3309 Elm Street, Suite 100 (west elevation). Staff Recommendation: Approval. SSDAC Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Marie Byrum of BYRUM SIGN & LIGHTING Owner: 3309 ELM OWNER, LLC Planner: Scott Roper Council District: 2 2403150011 Attachments: 2403150011_Case Report]
45. 
          GOOD EVENING NUMBER 45 IS 2 4 0 3 1 5 0 0 1 1. 
          AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY MARIE BYRAM OF BYRAM SIGNED AND LIGHTING FOR A 36 SQUARE FOOT NEON ILLUMINATED ATTACHED PROJECTING SIGN AT 3 3 0 9 ELM STREET, SUITE 100 WEST ELEVATION, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND S-S-D-A-C ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON THIS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CHAIR HAMPTON? I CAN'T SEE YOU BUT PLEASE IT JUST, UM, MR. PROP, WOULD YOU CONFIRM THAT THIS WAS ALREADY REVIEWED BY LANDMARK COMMISSION? YES MA'AM. 
          THIS WAS REMO, UH, RE REVIEWED AND APPROVED. 
          UM, THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE AND THIS FROM LANDMARK IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING ISSUED. 
          SO, AND THANK YOU. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY. 
          OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          CORRECT MY LANGUAGE THERE. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I'LL ASK HIM IF THERE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF 2 4 0 3 1 5 0 0 1 1, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE REQUEST FOR STAFF AND F-F-D-A-C RECOMMENDATION. 
          YOU WANNA, YOU WANT TABLE? YOU WANNA DO IT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION. 
          VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. 
          UH, CAN WE TABLE THE MINUTES FOR THE NEXT TIME SO WE CAN TAKE OFF? IS THAT OKAY OR SHALL WE GO AHEAD AND NO, LET'S DISPOSE OF THE MINUTES. 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES? ? THANK YOU. 
          COMM COMMISSIONER. 
          COMMISSIONER RUBIN, I, I HAVE MOVED TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM MARCH 21ST, APRIL 18TH, MARCH 21ST, APRIL 4TH, AND THE APRIL 18TH SPECIAL CALL. 
          THAT'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          ME OPPOSED? AYE. 
          HAVE IT. 
          WE'RE TAKING OFF GOING HOME. 
          AND WHILE YOU GUYS ARE PECKING UP THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF THE EVENING FOR MR. POOL, PLEASE TELL US. 
          THAT WAS A BUNCH OF SCUBA GEAR IN. 
          YOU'RE ON A PULSE, UH, ON A BOAT, SOMEWHERE IN THE OCEAN. 
          . 
          I WISH. 
          I WISH. 
          THANK YOU  . 
          DRIVE SAFELY. 
          OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 11:28 PM.
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