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[Landmark Commission Meeting on May 6, 2024]
RIGHT.UH, THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHICH I'M CALLING TO ORDER AT 1 0 6 ON MAY 6TH, 2024.
I'M EVELYN MONTGOMERY, I'M THE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER COURTNEY PEL IS OUR VICE CHAIR, AND WE DO HAVE A FORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE TODAY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES ON OUR AGENDA.
SO LET US BEGIN BY HAVING ELAINE CALL A ROLL CALL OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS, DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO.
COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.
COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN, DISTRICT FOUR.
COMMISSIONER RENO WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER, GUEST COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT.
UM, NEXT UP WE ALWAYS ASK IF THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS WHO AREN'T ADDRESSING A SPECIFIC ITEM.
JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS OUR MINUTES OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND IF WE HAVE ANYBODY PRESENT OR SIGNED UP FOR THAT.
SO NEXT I BELIEVE THAT OUR VICE CHAIR WILL HAVE, UH, SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE ABOUT THE ORDER WITH WHICH WE'LL TAKE OUR AGENDA.
BEFORE I BEGIN, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I HAVE LISTED AS BEING IN PERSON TO SPEAK TODAY ARE CEDRIC LOONEY, JASON BROWN, EVA NALLY, AND REVEREND TODD ATKINS.
IF, UH, THERE'S ANYONE ELSE THAT, ALRIGHT, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
SO FIRST WE'LL ADDRESS THE CONSENT ITEMS. SO I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 12 PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
STAFF WILL PLEASE NOTIFY THE APPLICANTS OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED REGARDING THEIR APPLICATIONS, ROTHENBERG ROTHENBERGER.
NOW, UM, IN LIGHT OF THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WE HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE, I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE THINGS OUT OF ORDER AND ABOVE THE COURTESY REVIEW.
SO OUR AGENDA, UH, WOULD LOOK AS A FOLLOWING.
I MOVE THAT OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON BEGIN WITH DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE, FOLLOWED BY COURTESY REVIEW ONE THROUGH FIVE.
THEN WE'LL DO DISCUSSION ITEM TWO, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEMS ONE, THREE, AND FOUR.
YEAH, WE ONLY HAVE, THERE ARE TWO MORE OUTSIDE.
SOMEONE SHOULD PROBABLY CALL THEM THE TWO LADIES THAT WERE OUT THERE.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROZENBERG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, LISA? AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? AND I, I SEE.
I BELIEVE ALL OUR SPEAKERS ARE HERE NOW.
SO HAVING APPROVED THAT REORDERING OF OUR AGENDA, WE CAN BEGIN BY HAVING, UM, STAFF, UH, TALK, INTRODUCE, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE PROPOSED INITIATION OF QUEEN CITY.
RHONDA DUNN, PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT AREA IS THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATING THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCEDURE TO ESTABLISH A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY CONSTITUTING A SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 9 5, AN AREA
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KNOWN AS THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.GENERALLY FOUNDED BY STATE HIGHWAY THREE 10, ALSO KNOWN AS SM WRIGHT FREEWAY.
WARREN AVENUE, MALCOLM X BOULEVARD, AND EUGENE STREET.
AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS.
SEE THE ORDER THEY REGISTERED IN.
THE WAY WE DO THINGS HERE IS FIRST MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE'S ON.
THERE SHOULD BE A GREEN LIGHT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, WHICH I KNOW YOU WILL.
ARE YOU READY? UH, JASON BROWN, UH, 25 34 SOUTH BOULEVARD.
UH, I AM HERE TODAY, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE DESIGNATION AS A FIFTH GENERATION KNIGHT OF, OF SOUTH DALLAS PROPER, UM, FAMILY, LIVING, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS PEABODY, MYRTLE STREET, UH, ROAD MINE, EVEN DOWN THE HATCHER.
UH, WE THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY, WHAT MAKES A COMMUNITY, AND IT IT IS PEOPLE FIRST AND THE NEXT.
IT'S, IT'S THE STRUCTURES 'CAUSE IT'S THE HOUSES TELLS THE STORY, WHAT MAKES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT, IN FAVOR OF PRESERVING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR THE YEARS TO COME.
AND THE NEXT SPEAKER ON THE LIST IS AL.
SAME THING, NAME, ADDRESS, YOU'RE GONNA BE TRUTHFUL.
UH, MY NAME IS I, NATALIE JONES.
I RESIDE AT 2333 EUGENE STREET.
UM, I AM, I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF QUEEN CITY FOR FOUR DECADES, UH, PROBABLY GOING INTO FIVE.
UM, AND I'M VERY HUMBLED, UH, FIRST OF ALL TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO STAND BEFORE YOU, UH, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A VERY HEAVY LIFT, UH, GETTING IT TO THIS POINT TO WHERE I CAN COME BEFORE YOU AND ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER US, UH, FOR A HISTORICAL DESTINATION OVERLAY.
AND YOU MIGHT ASK, WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO QUEEN CITY? AND QUEEN CITY IS ONE OF THE LARGEST AND THE OLDEST HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN DALLAS.
I JUST LEARNED A BIT OF HISTORY THAT QUEEN CITY WAS A SUBURB ONE TIME OF DALLAS.
UM, AND OUR HISTORY IS VERY RICH.
I CAN START NAMING SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO LEFT A LEGACY FOR THIS, FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FOR OUR CITY, FOR OUR STATE, AND FOR OUR COUNTRY.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT RESIDED THERE.
JUANITA CRAB, WHICH IS A WELL-KNOWN NAME.
BUT THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO GAVE, WHOSE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN PUT IN LIGHT.
PEARL C ANDERSON, MS. PEARL C ANDERSON, THAT HAD A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF LAND.
SHE DONATED A SCHOOL ON NINE ACRES OF LAND, THAT'S CALLED PEARL C ANDERSON.
WE ALSO HAVE ON EUGENE STREET, A HOUSE WHERE RAY CHARLES AND HIS LI HIS FIRST WIFE LIVED.
AND THEN I CAN HUMBLY SAY THAT EVA LIVES THERE NOW.
AND THEN, THEN WE ASK WHY WOULD THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT IT? WELL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS IT BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO ANY MINORITY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL SEE TWO STORY, THREE STORY SHOTGUN HOUSES.
UH, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND THE ASKING PRICE FOR THESE HOUSES ARE 300 TO 400,000.
I'VE EVEN HEARD THAT THERE IS ONE HOUSE THAT IS GOING FOR 600,000.
WE ARE HERE TO ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD PLEASE HELP US STOP THE GENTRIFICATION AND THE DISPLACEMENT THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS TAKEN PLACE
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AND WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE PLACE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PROTECTION.I WOULD ALSO BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION CAROLYN DAVIS.
CAROLYN DAVIS IS OUR PAST CITY COUNCIL PERSON WHO IS NO LONGER WITH US.
QUEEN CITY HAS MET ABOVE AND BEYOND ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS OVERLAY.
AND AGAIN, LET ME SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU PRESIDENTS OF QUEEN CITY.
AND I SAID IT BEFORE, INCLUDING IN PERSON.
IT'S, IT'S ADMIRABLE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO PULL THE NEIGHBORS TOGETHER AND THEY WERE WILLING TO GO DO THIS.
IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THAT MANY PEOPLE TO AGREE ON ANYTHING LIKE WHAT'S FOR LUNCH? MUCH LESS SOMETHING THIS BIG.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DID IT, BUT TELL OTHERS HOW TO DO THIS.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA DO.
AND WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER LISTED.
UH, THE PASTOR WAS IN A MEETING WITH BRIDGE BUILDERS.
AND SO THAT'S TAKEN A LITTLE WHILE APPARENTLY.
AND NOW I WANT TO ASK IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
I SUSPECT COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON MIGHT LIKE TO BEGIN BECAUSE THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT AND YOU WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN HELP BRING IT TO US.
UH, I, AGAIN, I, THE, THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD IS A COLLECTIVE OF INVOLVED COMPASSIONATE, UH, RESIDENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE SENTIMENT OF THAT TODAY AND THE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT'S JUST YOU GET A GLIMPSE OF THE PASSION AND THE, AND THE HISTORY, UH, JUST FROM SOME OF, UH, MRS. JONES', UH, SUMMARY.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY TO, TO THE RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE.
UH, IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO DECADES SINCE WE'VE DESIGNATED A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, OF THIS SIZE, UH, AND TO A HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH I CAME TO BE AWARE OF TODAY.
SO THAT JUST SHOWS THE, THE, UM, THE MAGNITUDE OF YOUR WORK, UH, FROM THAT HUMBLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN SUNNY SOUTH DALLAS.
UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, PASSION AND ADVOCACY FOR, FOR RECOMMENDING THIS AND PRESERVING THE COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? AND REMEMBER, WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ADDRESSING TODAY IS WHETHER WE FEEL THAT THEY MEET ENOUGH OF THE, UM, CRITERIA THAT WOULD, UH, MAKE SOMETHING POSSIBLE TO BE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT WE COULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PROCESS, WHICH IS THERE WILL BE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS AND FURTHER DISCUSSION OF IT, AND IT WILL COME BACK TO US FOR OUR USUAL ACTUAL INITIATION OF IT.
SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT, AND IF NOT, THEN DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION?
I'M STARING AT YOU FOR A REASON.
I I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, UH, TO PROCESS TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP.
WAS IT COMMISSIONER GUEST? IS THAT FIRST? OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND, SIR.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? IT WAS COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON WHO MADE THE MOTION.
ALRIGHT, THEN I CALL FOR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO MOVE ON AND HAVE THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
I, I KNOW OUR NEW FRIENDS WILL BE THERE TALKING AND SURELY SWAYING PEOPLE
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU COME BACK AND THEN WE DO THE FINAL RULE INITIATION AND THEN WE
BUT I HAVE VOICE KIND OF CARRIES.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL WHO HAS SAID, OKAY, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR HEART.
THIS HAS BEEN TWO YEARS OF NONSTOP, LITERALLY EVERY WEEK.
A MEETING ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP SAVE THE HISTORY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, YOU'RE ON TRACK NOW, SO WE'LL SEE YOU BACK.
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BRINGS US UP TO COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER ONE, WHICH WE WILL ASK STAFF TO FIRST INTRODUCE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE HER FROM OUR SPEAKER.GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, THIS IS DR.
RHONDA DUNN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM, NO COURTESY REVIEW.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 10 20 EAST NINTH STREET AND THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 23 DASH 0 1 3 RFD, THE REQUEST.
UH, THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
A DUPLEX STAFF FEEDBACK IS COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED.
THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
AND NOW LET US HEAR FROM OUR SPEAKER WHO'S REGISTERED ON THIS ONE.
THAT IS SHANNON BROWN TASK COURSE.
OKAY, WELL SHE HAS A SECOND WHILE COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG READS THE TASK FORCE.
I TOLD HIM NEXT TIME IT WAS HIS PROBLEM.
HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES MA'AM.
WE'LL BE READY FOR YOU IN JUST A MINUTE.
AND I WILL NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE ROOM, RECUSING HIMSELF FROM DISCUSSION OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER TWO, ROOF SHOULD HAVE STRAIGHT GS.
UM, MS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BROWN OR KEY.
I SEE A DIFFERENT NAME ONLINE.
WE DO NEED TO SEE YOUR FACE AT ALL TIMES TO PROVE IT'S REALLY YOU.
ARE YOU THERE MA'AM? HAVE WE LOST HER ADRIAN? TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
GUESS WE'RE NOT THAT ENTERTAINING.
NO ONE WANTS TO STICK AROUND LAUGHING.
DO SHANNON, I THINK SOMETHING'S HAPPENED TO THE CONNECTION EVEN THOUGH WE STILL SEE HER SQUARE.
DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEM? OH, I'M ON.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I, THAT YOU GUYS WERE READY FOR ME TO SPEAK.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE STILL WAITING FOR SOMETHING.
WE JUST NEED TO LEAVE THE VIDEO ON.
IT'S A STATE LAW, SO THANK YOU.
FIRST OFF, I'M GONNA NEED YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
UM, SHANNON BROWN, KEY 1409 HAM JEAN BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
AND YOU, UM, UH, SWEAR OR AFFIRM OR PROMISE THAT EVERYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE THE TRUTH ONCE THE INTERNET CATCHES UP, YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? YES, I DO.
NOW YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOOKED THROUGH THE MATERIALS YOU SUBMITTED, BUT NOW IT'S YOUR CHANCE.
WE'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO INTRODUCE US TO YOUR PROJECT.
AND YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE CAMERA ON NOT MY FAULT.
UM, I AM, UM, SHANNON BROWN KEY.
I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE BUILDS AT, UM, 10 20 AND 10 22 EAST NINTH.
AND WE ARE PRESENTING OUR, UM, TWO HOMES THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT ARE, UM, DUPLEXES.
THE REASON FOR US CHOOSING A DUPLEX, UM,
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OH, GOOD, THANK YOU.I DON'T KNOW WHY I TURNED OFF.
UM, BUT YES, THE TWO HOMES AT 10 20 AND 10 22 EAST NINTH.
UM, THESE HOMES ARE THREE BED, TWO BATH, BUT THEY ARE DUPLEX WITH A, UM, INTERIOR, UM, CAR, A SINGLE CAR GARAGE FOR EAST.
EACH HOME WE HAVE A FRONTAGE THAT IS FACING BOTH NINTH STREET AND NOAH.
THE REASON FOR WANTING TO MAKE BOTH OF OUR HOMES A DUPLEX IS A LOT OF TIMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, NOAH STREET IS TREATED AS A ALLEY WHEN IT IS ACTUALLY A STREET THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED BY, AS A STREET BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO WE WANTED TO NOT ONLY ONLY PROVIDE FRONTAGE FOR THE, UM, NINTH STREET, BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO, TO PRESENT FRONTAGE FOR 10TH STREET AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE COURTESY REVIEW AND WE HAVE, UM, UPDATED, UM, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UM, MR. JOHNSON AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AND REPRESENTED IT, UM, TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE HISTORIC AND LOOK MORE IN LINE WITH THE WAY THAT THE HOMES WERE BUILT.
THESE ARE, UM, CRAFTSMEN STYLE HOUSES THAT THE, THE HOMES FACING.
NO, THE HOMES FACING NINTH STREET ARE ONE STORY.
THE HOMES THAT ARE FACING NOAH ARE 1.5 STORY DUE TO THE SLOPE THAT GOES IN TOWARDS NOAH TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROOF LINE IS, UM, EVEN FOR, UM, BOTH, BOTH, UM, ENDS OF THE DUPLEX.
UM, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BUILD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND DO SOME INFILL, UM, FOR THESE, FOR THESE HOMES.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR COMMENTS AND ARE DEFINITELY PREPARED TO UPDATE IN ANY WAY THAT YOU SEE FIT.
AND AS I EXPLAINED, REMINDED MY COMMISSIONERS EARLIER AND WANT EVERYBODY TO THINK ABOUT TODAY, IT'S, IT'S REALLY EXCITING WHEN PEOPLE WANNA BUILD IN THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT HAVE EMPTY LOTS.
'CAUSE NO ONE LIKES TO LIVE NEXT TO AN EMPTY LOT THAT DOES NOT HELP YOUR LIFE IMPROVE ANY.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE BUILDINGS GOING UP.
IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED AND DIFFICULT TO BUILD IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND COME UP WITH JUST THE RIGHT DESIGN.
SO WE ARE HERE TO HELP AND, AND TO, UM, TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS AND THE APPLICANTS.
UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES SOMETHING THAT COMPLICATED CAN TAKE A LITTLE, UM, RETHINKING AND REVISING OCCASIONALLY.
SO IF WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS, IT'S IN THE SPIRIT OF, OF FRIENDLINESS, I HOPE.
AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP MAKE IT FIT MORE WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORS WILL LOVE THEIR NEW NEIGHBORING HOUSES INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, DISLIKE THEM.
SO LEMME ASK COMMISSIONERS, WHAT COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR APPLICANT
UM, ON THE ELEVATION, I GUESS FACING NOAH, IT'S NUMBER THREE ON THE PLAN THREE SOUTH TWO, WHICH SHOWS THE STORY AND A HALF WITH THE FRONT FACING GABLE.
UM, THERE'S ON THE PORCH COLUMNS, THEY NEED TO BE AT THE ENDS AND THERE'S KIND OF TWO IN THE MIDDLE
DO YOU SEE THAT THERE ON THAT ONE? I DUNNO IF YOU CAN PULL IT UP RON ON THERE.
SO YOU ARE ON 10 20 DAVID? UH, NO, THE ONE I GUESS IT'S FACING NOAH, THE STORY AND A HALF.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT, ON THE PORCH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN FROM THE ENDS AND THEY SHOULD BE AT THE ENDS.
UH, IF YOU CAN ZOOM INTO THAT TO SEE THE GO TO.
AND IF YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT THE ENDS CAN SUPPORT ALL OF IT OR YOU NEED ONE IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO, UM, UM, GO WITH THE, GET WITH THE ARCHITECT THAT WAS HIRED FOR THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS, REQUEST REQUESTS ARE UPDATED.
WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO GET THE RIGHT TYPE OF PRODUCT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE VERY HAPPY TO, UM, TO UPDATE OUR PLANS BASED
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ON THINGS THAT YOU GUYS REQUEST.UM, ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS MIGHT YOU HAVE OR SUGGESTIONS OR CONFUSIONS THAT YOU NEED? ADDRESS? WE RAISED THINGS DURING THE BRIEFING.
WE'LL CONTINUE WITH MORE THAT.
THE, THE QUESTION WAS ON THE FOUNDATION, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE SLAB ON GRADE OR, UH, PURE AND BEAM.
'CAUSE I CAN SEE IT TALKING, BUT I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT IS PURE ON BEAM, BUT WE ARE ABLE TO, UM, UPDATE IT AND CHANGE IT TO SLAB ON GRADE.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA GO PURE ON, PURE ON BEAM RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER REEVES IS THE FRONT DOOR CENTERED UNDER THE GABLE TWO ON HIS, UH, ON, ON MINE ON THREE SOUTH TWO.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION RIGHT NOW FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES WAS ABOUT THE, UM, THE FRONT FACADE SHOWN ON THREE SOUTH MM-HMM.
IT'S USUALLY BETTER TO CENTER IT UNDER THE GABLE.
WELL, THE WINDOWS ARE KIND OF OFF TILTED TOO.
SO, UM, UM, THIS KEY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE FIXED? IT DEFINITELY CAN.
THEY SHOULD BE CENTERED UNLESS THERE'S A REALLY GOOD REASON NOT.
WHAT OTHER CONCERNS DOES ANYONE HAVE? WE'VE MENTIONED A FEW THINGS AT THE BRIEFING THAT HAVEN'T COME OUT YET.
SO SOMEBODY SAY THEM, MR. REEVES, YOU DO IT.
WE WERE WONDERING WHY THE HOUSES ARE SET SO FAR BACK ON NOAH STREET AND FURTHER BACK THAN THE HOUSES NEARBY.
COULD THE FACADE HAVE BEEN AT THE SAME LEVEL AS, AS THOSE WHICH WOULD ALSO PERHAPS ADDRESS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT THE LAND THAT THE TASK FORCE HAD WAS THAT THEY WANTED YOUR GARAGES TO BE DETACHED AND PERHAPS YOU'D HAVE MORE ROOM TO DO THAT IF, IF YOU MOVED THE FRONT FORWARD AT NOAH STREET? I REALIZED THAT'S COMPLICATED.
I BELIEVE WE WERE TRYING TO ADHERE TO MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE, UM, DOING THE CORRECT FRONTAGE OFF OF NOAH.
UM, I BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, GO THROUGH SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, REVIEW IN ORDER TO GET THAT FRONTAGE, UM, CHANGED OR MOVED UP TO MATCH THE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I BELIEVE WE WERE, I BELIEVE THE ARCHITECT'S INTENT WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PROPERLY PROVIDE, UM, ENOUGH SPACE IN THE DUPLEX AND ALSO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ABLE TO HIDE THOSE, UM, THOSE GARAGES TO ADHERE TO THE NO FRONT FACING, YOU KNOW, GARAGES IN THIS, IN THIS DISTRICT.
BUT I CAN MAKE SURE THAT I GO BACK WITH HIM AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY THOSE FRONTAGES CAN BE, UM, THE FRONTAGE OF THOSE NO HOMES CAN BE CHANGED, UM, IN ORDER TO, UM, FOR THEM TO BETTER FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST GET WITH HIM ON WHAT THAT WOULD TAKE, UM, TO GET THAT DONE EVEN IF WE HAD TO GO THROUGH ADDITIONAL PLANNING OR ADDITIONAL CA REVIEW.
WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
YEAH, WELL YOU MENTIONED THE WORD PLATTING.
I WAS CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION OF JUST DOING A PLAT AND PLATTING INTO FOUR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES THAT WOULD SOLVE IT.
I GUESS A GARAGE ISSUE PERHAPS DETACHING THEM, GIVING THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY AND ALSO THIS DRIVE WAY THAT JUST CUTS THROUGH THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE.
THIS DOUBLE FRONTAGE KIND OF SCENARIO IS NOT SOMETHING I SEE REALLY IN ANY DISTRICT VERY OFTEN.
SO, UM, KIND OF AS A SEA OF CONCRETE ACROSS THESE TWO LOTS, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF SUBDIVISION.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT CAN DEFINITELY BE A CONSIDERATION.
I THINK INITIALLY WE WERE JUST PLANNING ON DOING, UM, ONE LONG HOME, YOU KNOW, ONE ALONG LIKE, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL STYLE HOME THAT WAS ONLY FACING NINTH STREET.
BUT JUST AFTER UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE, UM, DISPARITIES THAT NOAH RECEIVES, LIKE I SAID, BEING TREATED MORE LIKE A ALLEY THAN A REAL STREET.
UM, THE ARCHITECT THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO DO DUPLEXES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN PLATING
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WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER STEP WE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH TO SPLIT THOSE TO, UM, SPLIT THOSE IN THE PROPER WAY.AND I THINK WE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
I THINK IT WOULD JUST, WE WERE JUST TRYING NOT TO DELAY THE PROJECT, UM, ANYMORE, BUT MUCH MORE.
BUT I THINK WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO GETTING THAT DONE IF IT, IF IT MAKES THE HOMES, LIKE WE SAID, GO WITH THE FLOW OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? AND PROBABLY SOME OF THE COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONERS MAY KNOW THE ANSWER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SHARED DRIVEWAY AND I WAS UNSURE WHETHER WE COULD DO THAT UNDER DALLAS CODE AND I REALIZED THAT'S NOT REALLY THE PURVIEW, BUT I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE, UM, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT MAKE AN IMPACT ON HOW THEIR BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNED AND CITED.
WE, WE DO HAVE SOME, A FEW INSTANCES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE THERE ALWAYS WERE SHARED DRIVEWAYS.
MY HOUSE IS ONE I SHARE WITH MY NEIGHBOR, BUT OF COURSE THOSE ARE REALLY OLD, LIKE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN'T EITHER.
AND OF COURSE IF IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, WE COULD STILL APPROVE IT AND THEN LATER SOMEONE IN PLAN IN, UM, BUILDING INSPECTION MIGHT POINT OUT WE WERE WRONG.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, MA'AM, THAT, UM, OTHER, OTHER LAWS APPLY WHETHER WE KNOW ABOUT 'EM OR NOT, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE A, A CONCERN WITH 'EM.
BUT IT IS POSSIBLE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER MAKING THESE JUST FOUR HOUSES INSTEAD OF TWO DUPLEXES THAT WOULD SOLVE A COUPLE OF YOUR, YOUR ISSUES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE DUPLEX IDEA WAS FOR A REASON, LIKE IT'S CHEAPER SOMEHOW, OR MM-HMM.
THAT REASON WAS, WAS PARTICULARLY WAS REALLY BASED ON TRYING TO NOT HAVE, UM, A BACK FACING HOME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS NOAH WHEN WE COULD UTILIZE THAT OTHER SIDE OF THAT LOT AND ACTUALLY MAKE A HOME FOR THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
UM, I THINK US THE ATTEMPT WITH THE SHARED DRIVEWAY WAS A WAY TO SATISFY, UM, LANDMARK COMMISSION ON MAKING SURE THAT THOSE, UM, GARAGES ARE NOT AT THE, UM, FRONT OF THE HOME.
UM, WE KNEW THAT THAT DIDN'T GO IN LINE WITH A LOT OF THE DESIRES OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DETERMINED IF WE COULD GET PAST, YOU KNOW, GET PAST LANDMARK COMMISSION WITH THE SHARED, UM, DRIVEWAYS, THAT THAT MIGHT ALSO BE A REASON FOR IF WE RAN INTO ANY PROBLEMS DOING PERMITTING, SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AND THIS IS HAVE, HAS TO DO WITH THE, UM, HISTORIC, UM, SIGNIFICANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRYING TO SOLVE FOR THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO PRESENT THAT TO SEE IF THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A SOLUTION TO NOT HAVING THAT FRONT FACING, UM, GARAGE.
AND IT IS A, IT IS TO BE APPLAUDED IF YOU DO DUPLEXES, YOU GET MORE HOUSING IN A CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING.
UH, BUT FRONT FACING GARAGES WOULD NEVER PROBABLY BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE TASK FORCE.
I THEY DON'T EVEN LIKE THE ONES YOU HAVE APPARENTLY.
'CAUSE THEY WANT THEM, THEY WANT THEM ACH IS THE POINT.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DETACHED.
SO COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, UM, YEAH AND I THINK, I THINK IF THEY WERE DETACHED PRODUCTS AND PLATTED, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ALSO ADJUST 'EM TO GET THESE PARKING PADS OUT OF THE FRONT YARD, WHICH WOULD MM-HMM.
AND I THINK ADDRESSING KATE'S QUESTION, UM, SHARED DRIVEWAYS ARE TYPICALLY A PROBLEM.
I MEAN A LOT OF CITIES DON'T PERMIT THEM TODAY, BUT ALSO TYPICALLY LOTS THAT ARE NOT CORNER LOTS DON'T ALLOW THROUGH DRIVEWAYS EITHER.
UH, IF THEY'RE DOUBLE FRONTAGE LAWS, YOU CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER.
THAT'S A TYPICAL STANDARD OF CITIES.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ON THE BOOKS IN DALLAS, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S DIFFERENT.
SO COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THEY EXPLORE THE ACTUAL LAWS ABOUT THAT BEFORE EVEN CONSIDERING MOVING FORWARD? I WOULD WOULD RECOMMEND REVIEWING THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
DETERMINING THAT, YES, WE'RE NOT THE ANSWER ON THAT, BUT WE CAN WARN YOU TO ASK OTHER PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEY CAN TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT LEGAL OR NOT.
ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS ANYONE HAS ABOUT THESE DESIGNS AS PRESENTED? ANYONE HOME? I CANNOT SEE ANY OF YOU.
YOU OH, COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. THEN JUST SAY
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY TO MS UH, KEITH'S UH, COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND EFFORT ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, IT'S AN AREA THAT'S BEEN, UH, ISOLATED AND UNDERUTILIZED.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR YOU ALL'S EFFORT JUST TO TRY TO DO SOME DEVELOPMENT.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK AND ADJUSTING, ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS.
UM, I KNOW YOU'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT, THAT AREA.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE ALLOWING US THE CHANCE TO PRESENT, UM, AND BE ABLE TO BUILD SOME HOMES, UM, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A WHILE AND HAVE,
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UM, BUILT TWO HOMES THAT WERE PROBABLY APPROVED BACK IN, OOH, LIKE 20 18, 20 19.AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, JUST NOW FINISHING.
SO VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU ALL TO WORK SO DILIGENT DILIGENTLY TO HELP THIS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD GROW AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND THE PROTECTION OF THE LEGACY RESIDENTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
UM, IT SEEMS OUR DISCUSSION HAS FOCUSED ON THINGS THAT ARE COMMON TO BOTH OF THE HOUSES FOR THE MOST PART, BUT THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE COURTESY REVIEWS.
SO WHAT DOES EVERYONE FEEL WE SHOULD DO? HAVE WE REVIEWED BOTH DURING THIS COURTESY REVIEW OR SHOULD WE DO 10 22 EAST NINTH SEPARATELY? COMMISSIONER REED, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM.
PRIN BEAM, SHE SAID PIER AND BEAM, RIGHT MA'AM? YES.
AND HOW TALL ABOVE THE LAND, IS IT? THAT SOUNDS WEIRD.
HOW, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF YOUR
SORRY, I HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY NOTES TO MAKE THAT PURE BEAM BECAUSE WE ARE, WE'RE ALREADY AWARE THAT THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE THIS.
BECAUSE IF YOU JUST SET IT ON THE GROUND KIND OF ON A REGULAR SLAB, IT, IT LOOKS TOO SHORT FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
WE USUALLY ASK THAT YOUR FLOOR HEIGHT ABOVE THE GROUND LEVEL BE 18 INCHES OR SO.
MM-HMM,
BUT YES, WE ARE AWARE OF THE DESIRE FOR IT TO BE P APPEAR ON BEAM AND PRIOR TO THIS MEETING WE HAD ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT, GETTING THAT UPDATED.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK US ABOUT EITHER 10 20 OR 10 22? 'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE KIND OF DONE BOTH GROCERY REVIEWS TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT YEAH, I KIND OF ANSWERED THEM TOGETHER 'CAUSE THEY'RE LIKE THE EXACT SAME DESIGN WITH THE, WITH THE EXACT SAME ISSUES THAT WE RECEIVED.
UM, OR THE EXACT, THE EXACT SAME SUGGESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, DO DURING OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
AND THERE ARE NO OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WERE WONDERING ABOUT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PONTIFICATE ON AND GIVE YOU SOME HINTS ABOUT WHAT WOULD WORK? I CAN'T THINK OF ANYBODY.
YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY THINGS THAT, UM, YOU FEEL THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UM, DIFFERENT OR UNIQUE TO ONE HAT ONE, UM, BUILD OR THE OTHER WE'RE, I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO ANY, UM, INPUT FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION.
WELL THEY, THEY SEEM TO HAVE STOPPED TALKING, BUT OF COURSE IF YOU HAD ANY CONCERNS YOU COULD ALWAYS BRING THEM TO STAFF DR. DUNN BEFORE YOU'RE READY TO MAKE YOUR ACTUAL CA APPLICATION FOR THESE, THESE PROJECTS AND, UM, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK OF TRYING TO HELP PENN STREET AND, UM, GET ALONG WITH THE NEW NEIGHBORS THERE.
THAT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO PLEASE THE NEIGHBORS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND WE APPRECIATE YOU MA'AM.
OKAY, SO LET'S READ IN COURTESY REVIEW TOO JUST TO, UM, OKAY.
BUT WE, WE WILL SAY THAT WE AGENDA.
THIS IS DR. DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 10 22 EAST NINTH STREET AND THE 10TH STREET, 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT A DUPLEX.
THE STAFF FEEDBACK IS COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED.
UH, THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, GARAGES SHOULD BE DETACHED.
AND NUMBER TWO, ROOF SHOULD HAVE STRAIGHT GAGS.
UH, THINK I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE.
NOW YOU CAN BOTH READ IN COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER THREE,
OKAY, COURTESY REVIEW ITEM THREE.
COURTESY REVIEW ITEM THREE, THIS IS DR.
RON DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 0 7 NORTH CLIFF STREET AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH OH 12 RD.
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IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.FEEDBACK IS THAT THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW.
THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, REDUCE NUMBER OF WINDOWS.
NUMBER TWO, MASSING IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT THREE CENTER OF THE FRONT PORCH.
FOUR, THE FRONT PORCH FLOOR SHOULD BE WOOD, NOT PAINTED CONCRETE.
FIVE, REMOVE CONCRETE WING WALLS.
NUMBER SIX, EXTERIOR SIDING SHOULD BE EITHER NOVELTY, PATTERN NUMBER ONE 17 OR 1 0 5.
THOSE WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NUMBER THREE.
OH, YOU HAVE TO READ DIRECTLY NUMBER.
THANK YOU FOR THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS FOR COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER THREE.
ALRIGHT, ARE WE ABLE TO SEE YOU, SIR? OKAY, GOOD.
UH, FIRST I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AGAIN AND YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME'S ADAM LAMONT, UH, SPEAKING ON 2 0 7, UH, NORTH COAST STREET.
UM, THOUGH, AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO INTRODUCE YOUR PROJECT.
CAN I ACTUALLY JUST REQUEST FOR MY, UH, FOR MY WIFE TO SPEAK FIRST? SHE'S THE OTHER SPEAKER.
IS YOUR WIFE DELLA? YES, ALEXANDER.
AS LONG AS SHE'S ON THE SPEAKER LIST, THEN SHE HAS TO GIVE ME HER NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH TOO.
HI, I'M DANDRE ALEXANDER ON BEHALF OF 2 0 7 CLIFF STREET.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND FOR DOING SUCH WITH SUCH GOOD HUMOR.
I'VE BEEN ASKED FOR YOU TO VERIFY YOUR, YOUR ACTUAL LIVING ADDRESS WHERE THE TWO OF YOU LIVE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS.
WE'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO INTRODUCE YOUR PROJECT FOR US AND I'M, IF YOU'VE HEARD ANY OF OUR CONCERNS, YOU CAN START ADDRESSING THOSE OR YOU CAN WAIT TILL WE ASK YOU.
UM, I'LL JUST START BY TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UH, MY NAME IS DEANDREA ALEXANDER.
I'M A LICENSED COUNSELOR, UM, MOST FAMOUSLY KNOWN FOR BEING THE WIFE OF, OF THE CO-FOUNDER.
AND, UH, A BIG ADVOCATE FOR HOUSING IN DALLAS FOR, UH, OUR GROUP CALLED MORE NEIGHBORS DALLAS.
SO IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THEN YOU HAVE SEEN US TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO INCREASE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND SPECIFICALLY MORE MIDDLE MISSING, MIDDLE HOUSING.
UM, SO THIS PROJECT IS OUR DREAM HOME, UH, REALLY LIVING THE VALUES THAT WE PREACH ABOUT AND ADVOCATE FOR.
UM, IT IS A, A PROJECT WHERE WE HAVE ONE MAIN UNIT AND THEN A SECOND UNIT, ESSENTIALLY A DUPLEX UNIT, UM, IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT TRYING TO BRING IN SOME OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LIVE THE, THE VALUES THAT WE BELIEVE IN PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR, FOR OTHERS IN THE CITY.
I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT, I AM A THERAPIST BY PROFESSION.
UM, BUT JUST REALLY HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS OUR DREAM COME TRUE AND LIVE THAT VALUE.
NOW LET US SEE WHAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE IN THE WAY OF QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UM, SUGGESTIONS.
WHO SHOULD GO FIRST? AMONG MY COMMISSIONERS? UH, EXCUSE ME.
OUR, OUR ARCHITECT, UH, DERWIN BROUGHTON, UH, HE'S NOT LISTED AS A SPEAKER I KNOW, BUT HE IS ON, IF HE CAN BE ADDED, I MEAN JUST BE, YOU KNOW, ABLE, HE WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE THE BEST RESPONSES AND, UH, TO ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
UH, WELL, UH, LOTS OF THINGS ARE FINE WITH ME, BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY THEN CALLED ME UP ON IT.
SO YES, LET US HEAR FROM YOUR ARCHITECT BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP US ALL DO A GOOD JOB TODAY.
CAN STAFF FACILITATE GETTING HIM ONLINE? HE'S ON.
WHERE ARE, WHERE IS HE? I DON'T SEE HIM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
YES, WE HAVE TO SEE HIM ON CAMERA, SIR.
SO THE SAME THING THEY HAD TO DO.
DARWIN BROUGHTON ONE BELMONT PLACE AND I LIVE
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OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.WE DON'T, WE WE'RE, WE'RE FINE IF YOU LIVE SOMEPLACE ELSE.
UH, BUT YOU DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH DESPITE LIVING OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DALLAS, RIGHT? YES MA'AM, I DO.
NOW IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO START OFF SAYING ABOUT THIS PROJECT? OR SHALL WE GO DIRECTLY TO COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS? UM, WE CAN GO DIRECTLY TO COMMISSIONER COURT'S, UM, QUESTIONS AND WE, I CAN RESPOND ACCORDINGLY.
SO WHICH COMMISSIONER SHALL GO FIRST? HANG ON.
IS THIS A P AND BEAM FOUNDATION THAT YOU ARE BUILDING? SO THIS PROB UH, PROJECT ACTUALLY HAS P AND BEAM, BUT IT HAS A PERIMETER GRAY BEAM THAT'S CONSTRUCTED ALL THE CONCRETE.
SO IT'S PER THE GEOTECHNICAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND IT IS, I BELIEVE 18 INCHES OFF OF GRADE.
THAT'S THE TARGET IS 18 INCHES OFF OF GRADE.
AND THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM THE TASK FORCE ABOUT THE PORCH BEING CONCRETE, RIGHT? UM, IS THAT YES MA? NO MA'AM.
IT'S, IT IS, IT IS NEVER BEEN CONCRETE.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING A, UM, BASICALLY A TREK IS A, IT IS A PRODUCT CALLED REX AND IT IS A, IT IS A SIMULATED WOOD PRODUCT, BUT IT'S A LOT MORE SUSTAINABLE.
I A LOT MORE RESILIENT THAN WOOD HAS THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD.
UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY PRE, UM, STAINED FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
UM, MY COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS ARE VERY SLEEPY RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY.
BUT WHAT DID COME UP, UH, THAT THE SIDING ON THE HOUSE AND DISTRICT, DISTRICT SHOULD BE ACTUAL WOOD.
UM, IS THERE, IS THAT A PROBLEM? IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO WITH, THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE, UM, TO THE OWNERS.
BUT THE DESIRE, UH, ADAM OR DEI I'LL LET YOU RESPOND.
YEAH, I MEAN WE WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT OUR, WE ARE VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, VERY MUCH SO WANNA MAKE THIS HOUSE A HOUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABLE.
SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN UPKEEP IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR THINKING OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS HOUSE AN EASIER, YOU KNOW, JUST A, A MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY SITUATION.
UM, AND EASIER TO UPKEEP UH, WHEN WE DECIDE TO SELL IT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IN 50 YEARS WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, PASS ON OR WHATEVER.
SO, UM, BUT WE WILL DO WHATEVER, WHATEVER IS REQUIRED TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
'CAUSE WE REALLY, IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE, HAVE WOOD SIDING IN THERE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRYING TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE COURSE OF YOUR BUILDING, IT IS POSSIBLE SOMETIMES TO PURCHASE RECLAIMED WOOD SIDING THAT WAS TAKEN OFF.
BUILDINGS THAT WERE KNOCKED DOWN.
SOMETIMES THAT'S A LOT MORE TROUBLE AND PERHAPS MORE MONEY FOR YOU, BUT IT WOULD MEAN THAT NOTHING, YOU KNOW, YOU SAVE STUFF FROM BEING THROWN AWAY AND REUSED OFTEN WONDERFUL OLD GROWTH WOOD THAT IS ACTUALLY MUCH HARDER YEAR THAN WHAT YOU CAN BUY NOW.
SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO THESE PERMISSION THAT YOU USE REAL WOOD ON THE SIDING AND IT WILL MAKE YOUR TASK FORCE AND YOUR NEW NEIGHBORS HAPPY WITH YOU, WHICH YOU WANT.
YOU WANNA BE POPULAR, TAKE YOUR NEW HOME.
AND I BELIEVE DR. DUNN HAS PUT IT IN THE CASE REPORT THAT IT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE ORDINANCE.
I SAID THAT JUST NOT QUITE AS FORCEFULLY HONOR
YES, YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL RIGHT.
NOW I'M DEMANDING THAT ANOTHER COMMISSIONER HELP ME OUT HERE.
SO IN, IN THE, UH, RENDERINGS, THE 3D RENDERINGS, I SEE THERE IS A FENCE PROPOSED, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, IT DIDN'T, IT'S NOT IN THE DRAWINGS.
IS THAT A WOOD BOARD FENCE THAT Y'ALL ARE PLANNING TO INSTALL IN THAT LOCATION? YES SIR, IT IS.
AND WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THAT? IT'S, UM, IT IS EVER, I MEAN THE HEIGHT IS WITHIN THE, THE HEIGHT LIMITS THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE CODE.
I THINK IT'S SEVEN FEET, BUT IT DOES, THE GRAY DOES SLOPE OFF ON, TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE FENCE DOES GET, YOU KNOW, THE TOP OF THE FENCE STAYS CONSISTENT.
UM, AND THE BOTTOM FENCE GOES WITH THE GRADE, EXCUSE ME.
AND THE TOTAL, UH, HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE IS 29.5 FEET AT THE PEAK APPROXIMATELY? YES MA'AM.
AND THAT'S ABOVE 18 INCHES ABOVE.
SO WE'RE GOING BASED ON THE DATA BEING 18 INCHES ABOVE GRADE FOR YOUR FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS 29.5 FEET.
SO ROUGHLY 31 FEET IF YOU, IF YOU ADD IT ALL TOGETHER, RIGHT? IF IT'S ADDED ALL TOGETHER WITH ITS FOUNDATION.
ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS
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INCLUDING CONCERN WITH THE MASSING BECAUSE THE TASK FORCE DID HAVE, UM, SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN QUESTION ABOUT HOW FAR FORWARD OFFENSE COULD COME IN 10TH STREET? 'CAUSE I DON'T RECALL AND I DON'T SEE IT IN THE NOTES LOOKING UP THE ORDINANCE.OKAY, SO, UM, FENCES IN THE CORNER SIDE YARD, I'VE GOT, LET'S SEE, FENCES IN THE SIDE, REAR CORNER SIDE YARD MUST BE CONSTRUCTED WITH ONE OR MORE, UM, I'M LOOKING FOR IT.
FENCES ABOVE THREE FEET, SIX INCHES IN THE SIDE YARDS.
MUST BE LOCATED A MINIMUM OF 10 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
I THINK WE'RE WELL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
JUST MAKE SURE TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE THOSE RULES ABOUT FENCES AND WE DON'T LIKE TO SEE THEM COME ALL THE WAY FORWARD AND COVER UP THE, THE BUILDING BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE USED DID NOT USED TO DO THAT.
SO THAT REALLY CHANGES THE APPEAL OF THE DISTRICT IN GENERAL.
COMMISSIONER REEVES? WELL THIS HOUSE IS ABOUT, COMPARED TO HEIGHT WISE, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS 1113, BUT IT PRETTY MUCH TAKES UP THE WHOLE LOT.
IT'S, UH, EASILY TWICE THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
IS THAT APPROPRIATE? THAT'S FOR US TO JUDGE.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS THAT APPROPRIATE? I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE IS SOME QUESTION THAT IT MAY BE OVERLY LARGE COMPARED TO THE OTHER HOUSES THERE.
WHAT DO THE APPLICANTS FEEL ABOUT THAT? I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE HAVING THE, UM, THE EXTRA HOUSING UNIT WITHIN IT AND THAT'S PART OF THAT, BUT ANY WAY YOU COULD CUT IT DOWN ANY WELL, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE TWO RESIDENCES, AND I'M D I'LL LET YOU RESPOND AS WELL.
UM, THAT'S THE SPACE REQUIREMENTS NEEDED FROM THE END USERS.
UH, WHAT WE WILL ALSO SAY IS YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL MAPS OF THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO DUPLEXES ON THIS PROPERTY.
IT WAS REPLAYED AS ONE LOT, BUT THERE WERE IN, IN FACT HISTORICALLY TWO RESIDENT OF TWO SEPARATE RESIDENTS WHO A TOTAL OF FOUR FOUR, UM, PLACES OF LIVING, UM, ON THIS LOT.
PEOPLE OFTEN JUST COME BACK WITH, BUT I WANT IT AND THAT'S NOT NEARLY AS CONVINCING AS THAT YOU DID YOUR HISTORICAL RESEARCH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MA'AM? DID YOU, MS. ALEXANDER, IS THERE ANY WAY TO CUT IT DOWN OR, SO I MEAN I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY INTENTIONAL ABOUT KEEPING IT, YOU KNOW, TO THE SIZE THAT WOULD FIT OUR, ME AND MY HUSBAND, OUR NEWLY ONES, OUR GROWING FAMILY.
UM, BUT, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT A LOT OF KIND OF WHAT FEELS BIG IS REALLY JUST THE, THE, THE FACT THAT IT IS, IT IS TWO UNITS.
THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE UNITS IS ONLY ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT.
SO REALLY WE DID TRY TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT, KEEP IT UM, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT, UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT DID USED TO BE FOUR PREVIOUSLY.
SO, UM, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ADJUST THE MASSING, THEN THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT COULD COME UP AGAIN AND SOMETIMES THERE CAN BE A LITTLE TWEAKS TO MAKE IT VISUALLY LESSEN, SEEM LIKE QUITE AS BIG AS IT IS.
UH, THAT'S UP TO YOUR SKILLED ARCHITECT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OTHER CONCERNS MIGHT COMMISSION OR HELPFUL SUGGESTIONS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE CONCERNS.
IT COULD BE NICE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE SOME NICE ONES IF YOU HAVE 'EM.
THEY, WE REALLY HAD A GOOD LUNCH TODAY AND EVERYBODY IS REALLY SLEEPY ABOUT COMING UP WITH THINGS.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR APPLYING TO BUILD A HOME IN 10TH STREET.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A BIG TWO STORY VICTORIAN HOME, UH, JUST SEVERAL LOCKS DOWN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE USED AS REFERENCE.
UM, BUT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY A LOT OF PEOPLE PUSH BACK ON THE TWO STORY HOMES JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR SCALE AND THEY DEEMED THAT VICTORIAN HOME, UM, SOMEWHAT OF AN OUTLIER AT MYSELF BEING YOUR EXACT SAME SHOES, TRYING TO FIGHT THAT BALANCE WELL.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT IS A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I REALLY THINK THAT TWO STORY HOMES NOW THESE DAYS ARE SOMEWHAT OUT OF SCALE FOR THE DISTRICT.
UM, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DUPLEX ON A LOT SINCE IT IS A LARGER LOT, IT'S A CORNER LOT.
UM, AND I DO LIKE THE COLUMNS AND THE
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LARGE PORCH YOU HAVE, I THINK WITH A MINOR ADJUSTMENT WITH THAT DOOR AND THAT CENTERING, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE.BUT I JUST THINK MAYBE LOWERING THE HEIGHT OF THE ENTIRE MASSING MAY HELP, UM, APP PIECE AND KIND OF MAKING A LITTLE MORE CONTEXTUALLY ACCURATE TO THE DISTRICT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. TAYLOR.
YES, THERE ARE WAYS TO WORK AROUND TO TRYING TO DO THAT.
AND WE HAVE ALL MET A LOT OF THE PEOPLE FROM THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT.
THEY ARE EXTREMELY, UM, ACTIVE AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THEY, THEY, THEY DO VOICE THEIR, THEIR OPINIONS AND, AND IT IS, IT IS BEST TO LISTEN TO THEM BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FIRST.
WE ARE FRIENDS WITH MS. BRYANT, LIKE SHE WORKS OKAY, WELL THAT WILL HELP AS A TEACHER, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S PEOPLE WHO LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN THERE.
THEY TAKE THE TIME OUT TO COME DOWN AND EVEN TALK TO US.
SO COMMISSIONER RE REEVES, MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS ABOUT THE, THE TASK FORCE COMMENTS ABOUT THE WINDOW BEING TOO MANY WINDOWS.
WHAT WAS THAT DISCUSSION AT TASK FORCE? UH, THE DISCUSSION WAS BASICALLY, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW TRIPLE GANGED WINDOWS AS WELL AS PAIRED WINDOWS.
AND SO THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD REDUCE THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE PAIRED WINDOWS COULD GO DOWN TO BE SINGLE AND SOME OF THE TRIPLE WINDOWS COULD GO DOWN TO BEING DOUBLE.
UH, THEY WANTED TO COMPARE IT TO THE FENESTRATION OF THE OTHER VERNACULAR QUEEN.
AND ON THAT SAME BLOCK, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE TRIPLE GANGED WINDOWS, IT HAS SINGULAR WINDOWS AS WELL AS PAIRED WINDOWS.
SO THAT WAS WHAT THE COMMENT WAS BASED ON.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT APPEARS TO BE SOMETHING ALSO TO CONSIDER.
USUALLY WE'RE ARGUING PEOPLE SHOULD PUT MORE WINDOWS IN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA PUT AS MANY IN AS, AS ARE SEEN IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD APPARENTLY DOES NOT SEE ALWAYS SUCH A, UM, A LIBERAL SPRINKLING OF WINDOWS ON.
SO THAT IS A THING TO CONSIDER AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN WORK OUT.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES TO MY MIND WITH RESPECT TO, I THINK THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE TWO STORY, IT'S MS. COX'S HOUSE, RIGHT? NO, IT'S DIONNE BRIAN'S HOUSE.
BUT IT'S ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING TWO STORIES, CORRECT? YES.
THE ONLY OTHER TWO STORY HOME WE WILL FIND ON EIGHTH STREET THAT NO ONE REALLY TALKS ABOUT A LOT, IT'S JUST A TAN COLORED, UM, MORE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR VICTORIA'S, IT'S A LITTLE SMALLER.
SO, YOU KNOW, 10TH STREET PARK BETTER
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY TWO STORIES YOU BEEN LOST USED HAS BEEN LOST? I CAN GIVE A NUMBER TO THE NUMBER TWO STORY HOMES.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A SLEW OF ONE STORY HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN LOST, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I KNOW THERE'S TWO EXISTING, UM, TWO STORY HOMES THAT DATE BACK BEFORE THE ORDINANCE AND THEN THERE'S BEEN TWO APPROVED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAVE, UH, TWO STORIES.
THE REASON I ASK IS 'CAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THAT REMAINING ONE, I'M SORT OF FILLED WITH A SENSE OF NOT MAJESTY, BUT IMPORTANCE AND PRIDE.
AND IT MAKES ME THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO ANALYZE HOW MANY TWO STORIES PERHAPS HAVE BEEN LOST OVER THE YEARS, IT MIGHT BE WISE TO CONSIDER HERE OR THERE ALLOWING ONE PROVIDED IT DOESN'T DWARF SOMETHING AND DIMINISH SOMETHING ELSE IN PROXIMITY.
UM, WHO MIGHT BE
UM, AS LONG AS THE OTHER TWO STORY HOME ON NINTH STREET AS WELL.
I THINK, UH, ELSEWHERE IN THE DISTRICT IS NOT AS APPLICABLE.
UM, MAYBE THERE'S ONE LIKE OFF OF 11 THAT'S KIND OF LIKE SLOPING DOWNHILL.
UM, BUT I I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS SCALE.
IT'S JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT.
I MEAN I THINK I COULD SEE AN ARGUMENT FOUR UP IN THERE PAST A GRANDER, YOU KNOW, SPACE UTILIZATION.
SO I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S A NICE FEELING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE THAT'S STILL THERE.
'CAUSE THE HOUSES WERE VERY INTERESTING AND BEAUTIFULLY BUILT ACTUALLY.
AND I'LL SAY JUST THAT DEFINITELY THE LOCATION ACROSS FROM THE CHURCH WAS WE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD'VE, IF IT WASN'T ACROSS FROM THE CHURCH, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE GOING FOR, FOR THIS.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT AND IF ANYONE WANTED TO TRY TO DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE HOW COMMON TWO STORY HOUSES WERE AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED, THAT COULD BE A PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS,
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I HAVE A QUESTION.WHO WAS THAT? ONLINE COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
UM, YEAH, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, I AS WELL AS I SHARE THE SAME INTEREST THAT SEEMS TO BE POPPING UP ABOUT THE SCALE AND, UH, CHANGING THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO, UH, THE DESIGN.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BRICK.
UM, THIS IS A, UH, BRICK VENEER, IS THAT CORRECT? THIS FACE BRICK, THE BASE OF THE STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED BASICALLY THE SQUARE YOU WOULD HAVE SKIRTING WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT BRICK TO, TO CLAD THE UNDERSIDE OF THE HOUSE BASED ON THE ELEVATOR PORTION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A FULL BRICK, UH, AT THE GRADE FOR THE, UH, THE APRON OF THE HOUSE, IS IT A FACE BRICK, IS IT A VENEER BRICK ON THE FIREPLACE? YES, IT'S A FACE BRICK.
AND THAT'S ON THE, THE CHIMNEY AS WELL? YES, SIR.
OKAY, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE SPEC ON THERE AND I THOUGHT I, I THOUGHT I SAW A BRICK VENEER ON YOUR SPEC ON THIS, ON THIS HEBRON UH, BOURBON BRICK? NO, IT'S A FULL BRICK, FULL CLOSET BRICK.
UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, THE, UH, SEE THE METAL SHINGLE THAT'S THERE? UM, I MUST HAVE MISSED IT.
I WAS SLIPPING TRYING TO SLIP THROUGH THE SPECS ON WHAT THIS, UH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE METAL SHINGLE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE? YES, SIR.
AS, UM, DIDI MENTIONED, THE OWNER MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOME SUSTAINABLE OPTIONS FOR THE HOMES.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS PARTICULAR SHINGLE.
IT IS A METAL PRODUCT, BUT IT LOOKS AND HAS THE APPEARANCE OF A, OF A, OF A, A RESIDENTIAL, A SHINGLE.
UM, OF COURSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, WE CAN OF COURSE MAKE A CHANGE, BUT THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS AS A MORE SUSTAINABLE ROUTE, UM, ON THIS HOME.
THE ALSO, UH, UH, A FOLLOW UP ON, UH, MATERIALS, YOU HAVE A SIMULATED WOOD TRIM ON THIS, UH, DETAIL CALL OUT.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT, UM, WOOD MATERIAL FOR THIS AROUND AT, AT THE WINDOWS.
SO, UM, BECAUSE UM, THE OWNER HAS, YOU KNOW, CO HEED TO, TO CHANGE EVERYTHING BACK TO WOOD, WE'LL CHANGE THAT TO WOOD AS WELL.
SO THAT'D BE A ONE BY FOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WOOD TRIM AS WELL.
AND LAST QUESTIONS ON JUST SOME DETAILS STUFF WAS, UH, I, I SAW THAT YOU HAD A, A, A BOXED OUT COLUMN DETAIL ON THE, ON THE CORNERS THAT ARE ON THE PLANT, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER COLUMNS WERE LACK OF DETAIL.
WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS MEANT TO DO? YOU, YOU TALKING ABOUT ON THE SIDE YARD? IS THAT YOUR, YOUR REFERENCE? MM-HMM.
YEAH, THIS IS THE COLUMNS THAT ARE ENGAGING FROM THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PORCH DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE TOP OF THE DECK.
THE ONES THAT THEY, THAT ARE ENGAGED INTO THE, UH, BRICK, UH, PLINTHS, UH, HAVE DETAIL.
AND THE OTHER ONES LOOKS LIKE A, UH, IT'S AN UN TAPERED COLUMN, WHICH THE OTHER ONES LOOK LIKE THEY'RE TAPERED AND THEY'RE BOX DETAILS AND THESE ARE JUST PLAIN AND I WAS WONDERING IF NO, THOSE ARE TAPERED AS WELL.
THE ONE YOU'RE STILL, THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE IS TAPERED AS WELL.
I'M LOOKING AT UH, UH OH, ZOOMED OUT TOO FAR.
THE, THE ON THE SIDE VIEW AS FAR AS THE SIDE YARD.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NOT TAPER, BUT THEY CAN BE CHANGED TO TAPER COLUMNS AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE ONES THAT ARE ALONG THAT SAME SIDE, THE ONES THAT ARE ALSO ENGAGING.
THE BRICK AT THE STAIRS, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UH, APPROACH AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD'VE BEEN ONE OR THE OTHER.
AND IS THERE ANY, UH, BRACKET DETAILING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON, UH, THE, UH, GABLES, UH, ON THESE ELEVATIONS OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU, YOU, UH, YOU GUYS WERE GOING JUST FOR A CLEAN LOOK WITHOUT ANY BRACKETS? WE, WE WERE GOING WITH A CLEANER LOOK, THE CLEAN END THAT'S, THAT'S DOWN THE STREET DOESN'T HAVE THAT DETAIL ON.
SO WE DIDN'T PICK UP ON THAT DETAIL EITHER.
ALRIGHT, WELL I HAVE CONCERNS THAT, UH, IT MIGHT BE CHANGING THE SCOPES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DESIGN WITH THE MASSING AND THE IN HERE.
UH, BUT UM, ANYWAY, THANKS FOR ANSWERING SOME OF THE DETAIL QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT HASN'T, THAT HAVEN'T, UM, EXPRESSED ANYTHING, HAD SOMETHING THERE JUST BURNING TO LET US KNOW? OH, COME ON.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE MAY HAVE EXHAUSTED
UH, SO
IT SHOULD SAVE YOU TIME LATER AS YOU GO BACK AND, UM, THINK ABOUT HOW TO, UM, LISTEN TO US OR NOT ABOUT OUR CONCERNS EXPRESSED TODAY.
OF COURSE, DR. DUNN WOULD ALWAYS BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS GOING FORTH IF YOU HAVE SOME IDEAS AND YOU'RE WONDERING IF SHE, SHE
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THINKS THEY'LL, WHAT'S WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT.AND, UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR FINAL PLANS AND SEEK, UH, CA TO GO TO PROCEED WITH YOUR CONSTRUCTION.
OKAY, WE MOVE ON NOW TO COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS TWYMAN AVENUE.
I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THAT ONE.
AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR IS AGAIN, RECUSING HIMSELF.
HE'S ON HERE BUT NOT REGISTERED.
APPARENTLY THERE IS A SPEAKER THAT IS ON BUT NOT REGISTERED.
THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT.
SO IF THERE'S A SPEAKER HERE FOR IT, WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM.
SO, MR. SEBAS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TODAY.
OKAY? I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT, GUYS.
UH, I'M KIND OF NEW TO THIS TECHNOLOGY I BUILT HOUSES FOR.
HAVE WE, I HAVEN'T READ IT ANYTHING BACK YET? WE HAVE NOT FINISHED THE, UM, THE TEDIOUS, UH, FORMALITIES THAT STAFF HAS TO DO.
SO, DR. DUNN WILL NOW READ TO US.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 0 1 TWYMAN AVENUE IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH ZERO 16 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
FEEDBACK IS AS FOLLOWS, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, PROPOSED BUILDINGS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT.
NUMBER TWO GARAGE SHOULD BE DETACHED.
AND THERE IS A NOTE THAT APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REVISIONS IN RESPONSE TO TASK FORCE FEEDBACK.
NOW, MR. BCUS, OH, I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR CURRENT ADDRESS.
UH, BCA 1720 LAKEVIEW DRIVE, DESOTO, TEXAS 7 5 1 1 5.
WE ALSO NEED TO SEE YOU ON CAMERA.
IT IS A STATE LAW TO VERIFY IT'S YOU AND NOT SOMEONE PRETENDING TO BE YOU.
I WISH THEY COULD TAKE ALL MY BILLS WITH THEM.
CAN YOU GUYS SEE THEY, THEY WILL NOT, BUT WE WE'RE SO SUSPICIOUS.
WE MUST NOW SEE YOUR HANDSOME FACE, PLEASE.
CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME? NOT YET, YET.
AND I'M ACTUALLY IN THE FIELD.
AND, UM, NATURALLY YOU WILL TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY.
YOU'D HAVE NO REASON NOT TO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
STILL TRYING TO WORK, WAITING FOR MY TURN TO TALK.
SO, WELL, THE NEXT PART IS WE ASK YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
IF YOU'VE HEARD ANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE EXPRESSED AND YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THEM, JUST WHATEVER YOU NEED TO TELL US.
UH, IN, IN RESPONSE TO THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION, THIS IS A SINGLE FA UH, SINGLE STORY CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME.
UH, I KNOW WE HAVE TO BE 18 INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
WE WILL NOT BE DOING A APPEAR AND BEAM FOUNDATION, BUT I WILL BRING IN, UH, 18 INCHES OF SELECT FIELD DIRT SO WE CAN ACHIEVE THE STEP UP PORCH.
UH, THAT'S SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER HOMES IN THE, UM, WHEATLEY PLACE, UH, DISTRICT, UM, HAD ONE 17 SIDING, WOOD, WINDOWS, GABLE ROOF.
UM, I'M NOT TOO SURE OF ANY OTHER DESIGN FEATURES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MISSED, MAYBE RAILING ON THE PORCH.
UM, WE DID, UH, INSTEAD OF DOING THE, UH, GARAGE OR CARPORT, UH, WE WERE GONNA DO A ENTRY OFF, UH, MALCOLM X BOULEVARD, UH, SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE A REAR ENTRY ACCESS, UM, INSTEAD OF BEING ON TWINING.
OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT TOO SURE IF ANYTHING MIGHT HAVE BEEN MISSED FROM, UH, THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION TO THIS REVISION OR SUBMITTAL I SHOULD SAY.
UM, NOW WE'LL ASK OF, UH, ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF HAVE COMMENTS THAT THEY WISH TO MAKE ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD, AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? I BELIEVE STAFF MEMBER KATE SINGLETON HAD A COMMENT.
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I JUST, COULD YOU CLARIFY ABOUT THE FOUNDATION? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT, UH, WHAT THE TASK FORCE AND DR.DUN WERE TRYING TO GET TO IS THAT IT WOULD BE A APPEARING BEAM FOUNDATION THAT WAS AT LEAST 18 INCHES TALL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, ARE YOU CONFIRMING THAT? NO, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A APPEARING BEAM FOUNDATION IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE 18 INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS BRING IN SELECT FIELD, WHICH IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN DOING A APPEAR AND BEAN FOUNDATION.
UH, UM, THESE, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, IT'S TYPICALLY A APPEAR AND BEAN FOUNDATION.
SO THE HOUSE HAS TO HAVE A PARENT BEAM FOUNDATION.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE A PARENT BEAM FOUNDATION IF WE'RE GONNA BRING IN SELECT FIELD NO DIFFERENT AS WE WOULD IN A FLOOD PLAIN SITUATION TO RAISE, IF THE, THE CONCERN IS TO ELEVATE THE
UH, BE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO IIII HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THE AESTHETIC WOULD MATCH THE SAME WITHOUT IT BEING A PURE BEAM FOUNDATION.
PURE BEAM FOUNDATIONS ARE VERY, VERY COSTLY.
SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE OTHER AESTHETIC FEATURES SUCH AS THE WOOD WINDOWS, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT WOOD SIDING, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, ME AS A BUILDER SLASH DEVELOPER ALSO HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF APPEARING BEAM FOUNDATION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING I, I'VE, I'VE BUILT NUMEROUS HOUSES AND FLOODPLAINS WHERE WE HAVE TO BRING IN TWO FEET OF SELECT FIELD COMPACTED SOIL.
SO IF THE AESTHETIC IS TO HAVE A STEP UP IN THE FRONT, AS I WAS TOLD ON THE PREVIOUS REVIEW, THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT DOING A AND BEAM FOUNDATION.
MR. BAKAS, YOU WERE GIVEN IN TASK FORCE THE OPTIONS OF P AND BEAM OR A CONCRETE SLAB FOUNDATION ON A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL.
SO REALLY THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN THAT, UH, A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL AND A APPEARING BEAM.
SO IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN APPEAR APPEARING BEAM? YES.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING US CLARIFY THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS HOUSE FROM COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONERS AT HOME, ANY OF YOU? I COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER LEVISON, MR. BACK IS, UH, JUST, I JUST COMMEND AGAIN, UM, UH, COMMEND YOU FOR THIS TASK OF THIS, THIS PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN, UM, OR ISOLATED, UH, UNDEVELOPED FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO, UM, APPRECIATE YOU INDULGING THE, THE CHALLENGES OF, OF, OF, OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, WHILE DOING THIS PROJECT, WHICH I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO SEEING IF, UH, COME, COME TO FRUITION.
WELL, THANK YOU MR. LIVINGSTON.
BUT I WAS LOOKING FOR A HARD HITTING QUESTION OF SOME SORT, AND I GUESS WE JUST WEREN'T GONNA COME FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE TO HELP THIS MAN BRING US A FINAL PLAN THAT IS LIKELY TO BE QUICKLY PASSED.
ONLY, ONLY WE CAN HELP WITH THAT.
DR. DUNN IS HELPING, BUT IT IS ULTIMATELY OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
SO I DO WANT SOMEBODY TO, IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS, HAS THE TASK FORCE'S INFORMATION ABOUT THE GARAGE BEEN ANSWERED? YES.
HE'S NO LONGER, UH, PROPOSING AN ATTACHED GARAGE.
BUT THE, THEIR FIRST ONE WAS SORT OF WIDE REACHING, PROPOSED BUILDING IS INAPPROPRIATE TO THE DISTRICT.
DO ANY OF US HERE SHARE ANY SPECIFICS ABOUT IT THAT LEAD US TO THINK IT IS OKAY? APPARENTLY NOT.
COMMISSIONER REEVES ONLY THE FOUNDATION.
AND I'M CURIOUS IN THE PICTURE WHAT THESE, UH, HALF BOXES ARE THE, BY THE DRIVE, THE HALF BOXES BY THE DRIVE.
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I'M SORRY, THOSE FITTING OUT BY THE ROAD.THAT LOOK LIKE THAT RETAINING WALLS.
THEY'RE IN THE, UM, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S IT.
THAT THOSE ARE THE RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE PREEXISTING ALONG THE, UM, UM, MALCOLM X SIDE.
SO WE'RE, WE, WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE THOSE, UM, BECAUSE THOSE WERE ALREADY PREEXISTING.
THEY, THEY DO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE
UH, WHEN A QUESTION IN THE COMMENT, I GUESS QUESTION IS THE WINDOWS, UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BE WOOD? IT SAID WOOD.
BUT ARE THEY ACTUALLY WOOD OR
THEY WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT WOOD.
THEY WON'T BE VINYL CLAD OR METAL CLAD, UH, OVER WOOD.
THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE WOOD WINDOWS.
MR. MR. BAAS, UH, THESE ARE THE WINDOWS FROM ANDERSON, RIGHT? GEL WIND FROM WHERE? GELDWIN GEL.
SO YOU'RE GONNA USE GEL WIND? YES.
THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR MATERIAL SCHEDULE, BECAUSE IT, WHEN I LOOK IT UP, IT REFERENCES ANDERSON AS BEING THE WOOD RIGHT WINDOW.
I'M TRYING TO GET, FIND THE, THE, AGAIN, THE COST EFFECTIVE.
BY THE TIME I, I DIDN'T REVISE THIS.
I DID GET A BETTER PRICE WITH VIN.
SO MY, MY OTHER COMMENT IS WHEN YOU COME BACK TO ALSO, UM, BRING US SOME PICTURES OF THE OTHER HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK, SO WE CAN SEE HOW WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WORKS OR NOT WITH WHAT'S IN THAT, IN THAT DISTRICT.
'CAUSE THERE WERE NOT, THERE WEREN'T ANY, UM, BLOCK SHOTS OR, OR OTHER INFORMATION ON WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES, UH, LOOK LIKE.
OTHER THAN THAT ONE KIND OF CORNER OF YOU, WHICH YOU CAN'T, WE CAN ALWAYS CAN'T SEE TOO MUCH, BUT YES, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, SIR, WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR IS WE'D LIKE, LIKE TO SEE HOW THE STYLE AND THE DETAILING FITS IN WITH THE OTHER HOUSES.
ALSO, THE HEIGHT AND THE SIZE THAT JUST, IT'S COMPATIBLE.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, LOOKS OUT OF PLACE LIKE A BIG SORE THUMB OR SOMETHING.
WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS AMID THE OTHER HOUSES NEARBY.
AND I THINK SO WILL BE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES WILL DO, UH, THAT'S WHO IS THIS? OH, OKAY.
ON COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS THE, THE, THE RETAINING WALL, WAS THAT THE OLD DART STOP? YES, IT ACTUALLY IS.
IS IT STILL, IS IT STILL FUNCTIONING? YOU KNOW WHAT? UM, I KNOW IT IS AT THE CORNER OF, UH, I WANNA SAY, IS IT TANNER? THE STREET BEHIND IT? I DON'T THINK IT'S THERE AT TWINING ANYMORE.
UM, BUT YES, IT WAS, IT WAS THERE UP TO A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE IT WAS ACTUALLY THE PLASTIC OR THE PLEXIGLASS WITH THE ROOF ON TOP.
SO I GUESS MY COMMENT IS, AND, AND, AND I'M NOT A PLANNER, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE DART, YOU KNOW, THEY GET, UM, UM, EGRESS ACCESS FROM LANDOWNERS WHEN THEY COME IN, BUT THEY ALSO MIGHT DEMOLISH AND BRING IT BACK TO, YOU KNOW, UH, A, A CERTAIN CONDITION IF IT'S NO LONGER A STOP.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK INTO AS OPPOSED TO JUST LEAVING IT THERE AS A RETAINING WALL, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THEIR COST.
THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT DO THAT DEMOLITION FOR YOU.
THAT MIGHT LOOK BETTER PERHAPS FOR THE FUTURE.
AND IF THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT, WHY NOT? ALRIGHT, SO I THINK THAT WE HOPEFULLY HAVE GIVEN YOU SOME HELP AND SOME HINTS ABOUT WHAT TO DO WHEN YOU COME BACK.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WORKING TO REBUILD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU COME BACK, UH, WITH YOUR FINAL PLANS, LOOKING FOR A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND PLEASE DO CALL DR. DUNN WHEN YOU NEED HER.
SHE HAS INFINITE TIME AND SHE WOULD BE ONLY TOO HAPPY TO HELP YOU GUIDE THIS PROCESS THROUGH TO ACHIEVING A WONDERFUL FINAL PRODUCT.
OKAY,
AT THE TIME, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE INFINITE TIME, INFINITE KNOWLEDGE, I UNDERSTAND INFINITE TIME, I WILL BE CALLING YOU
I SHOULD JUST GIVE HER A BREAK OCCASIONALLY.
AND NOW WE HAVE ONE MORE COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FIVE ON DUNBAR STREET.
DO WE CALL, UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR BACK IN? YES.
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GOOD.AND I BELIEVE DR. DUNN NEEDS TO READ THIS ONE IN TOO, AS SHE HAS DONE ALREADY.
UH, COURTESY REVIEW ITEM FIVE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 35 14 DUNBAR STREET, IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS C 2 34 DASH 15 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A ONE CAR GARAGE STAFF FEEDBACK IS AS FOLLOWS, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT RE THAT.
THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT WITH A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A ONE CAR GARAGE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, FRONT GABLE WALL SHOULD BE CLAD WITH NUMBER ONE 17, ALL WOOD SIDING.
NUMBER TWO, PORCH DEPTH SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET BEHIND PORCH COLUMNS.
THREE PORCH COLUMNS SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF EIGHT INCHES IN DIAMETER.
NUMBER FOUR, ADD RAILS BETWEEN PORCH COLUMNS.
ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.
SIR, IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR HOME ADDRESS.
MY ADDRESS IS 6 0 5 ATTERBURY LANE, LANCASTER, TEXAS.
AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY AS WE TALK ABOUT TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THAT FAR.
UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE US TO YOUR PROJECT, IF THERE'S ANY YOU'D LIKE TO ANSWER TASK FORCE CONCERNS OR ANYTHING WE'VE SAID, GO AHEAD.
THIS IS A, A CRAFTSMAN, CRAFTSMAN, UH, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, UH, WITH THE, UH, DEACH DETACHED GARAGE.
UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1604 6 SQUARE FEET TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, LIVING, SEPARATE LIVING AND DINING.
UM, THE THIRD, UH, BEDROOM CAN, CAN, UH, GO INTO A STUDY AS WELL.
IT ALSO HAS A MUD ROOM, A COVERED PATIO ON THE BACK.
UH, THE GARAGE SITS EIGHT FEET AWAY FROM THE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE, UH, 18 INCHES ABOVE, UH, GRAY.
ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTION, CONCERN, HENCE, ANYBODY AT HOME? I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN REALLY LIKED THE IDEA THAT YOU HAD ALL THE, THE HOUSES LINED UP ON THE STREET WITH YOUR PROPOSED ONE IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, SHE REALLY APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT YOU HAD, UH, DONE THAT TO GIVE A CONTEXT OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE STREET SCAPE.
I TOOK THAT TO MY ARCHITECT,
GOOD TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS GOOD.
ANYONE ELSE? SO WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE WINDOWS PROPOSED? ALUMINUM.
AND THERE'S A, A REASON FOR DOING ALUMINUM VERSUS, BECAUSE WOOD IS RECOMMENDED FOR THAT DISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? IT COULD BE EITHER OR.
I WAS TOLD, SO I WANTED ALUMINUM.
SO YOU, YOU CAN DO ALUMINUM WINDOWS THEN AND RIGHT.
WE HAVE IN THE PAST BEEN ALLOWING ALUMINUM ON NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME EXISTING PROPERTIES WITH ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COULD WE MAYBE DO A COMBINATION OF DOING WOOD WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND MAYBE ALUMINUM ON THE SIDE AND REAR? THAT'S, WELL ASK THE APPLICANT SHOULD GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
IT'S NOT MY MONEY, SO ASK THE FILE.
I WOULD HAVE TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE FOR ME TO DO IT.
THERE'S ONLY TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, SO THEY, THEY, THOSE WOOD WINDOWS CAN BE EXPENSIVE.
WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? COMMISSIONER REEVES? WHY DOES THE DRIVEWAY NOT GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE GARAGE? I, I DON'T KNOW THE ARCHITECT.
I, IT'S JUST THE DRAWING SO IT WOULDN'T STOP
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BUT YEAH, THE ARCHITECT JUST, I THINK THE CHANGE WAS, UH, HE, HE HAD TO MOVE IT BACK EIGHT FEET AWAY FROM THE GARAGE, UH, FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE.SO HE JUST DIDN'T CHANGE THAT PART OF.
SOUNDS LIKE A LIKELY EXPLANATION.
UM, COULD YOU, SIR, PLEASE RESPOND TO THE TASK FORCE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PORCH? YOU NEED TO HAVE, UH, SIX FEET OF PORCH BEHIND YOUR COLUMNS AND THEY'D LIKE YOUR COLUMNS TO BE EIGHT INCHES IN DIAMETER SO THEY DON'T LOOK TOO SPINDLY TO HOLD UP THE ROOF AND THEY WANTED RAILS.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? THE, ON THE PLANS IT SHOWED THAT, UH, THE CHANGES, THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS NOT ADDED WERE THE RAILS.
I WAS TOLD AT THE LAST MEETING BY ONE OF THE PLANNERS THAT, UH, CITY CODE REQUIRES YOU TO BE RAILS AT 36 INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
SO I'M AT 18 INCHES ABOVE GRADE.
SO WHERE RAILS WERE NOT REQUIRED.
YEAH, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED BY THAT.
BUT WHAT IF WE THOUGHT THAT RAILS WOULD LOOK MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE STREET? BUT AGAIN, I, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COSTS IS GOING TO TAKE FOR THAT.
AND WELL, UM, YEAH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T USUALLY CONSIDER COST A LOT EXCEPT WHEN A HOMEOWNER IS HAVING DIFFICULTY KEEPING, YOU KNOW, DOING ROUTINE WORK AND STUFF ON THEIR HOUSE AND MEETING THE STRICTEST RULES.
SO I'M JUST LETTING WARNING YOU THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE CONSIDER THOUGH WE ARE SYMPATHETIC OKAY.
BUT AS COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE RUTHLESS, UNDERSTAND, AND WE CANNOT BE UNDERSTAND.
WHAT ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERNS TO SHARE WITH THIS? I'M ACTUALLY FINE WITHOUT RAILS ON THE PORCH, BUT, OKAY.
SO SEE YOU'VE GOT ONE SUPPORTER,
AND OUR CONCERNS ARE ALWAYS BASED NOT UPON OUR PERSONAL TASTE, WHICH ALSO I STILL HAVE NO OPINION ON RAILS BY THAT, BUT ON WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE, THE DISTRICT AND WHAT IS NORMAL TO IT AND WHAT MAKES YOUR HOUSE FIT BEST.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER INFORMATION COMING FROM WAS ON THE TASK FORCE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FRONT GABLE WALL SHOULD BE CLAD WITH, UH, ONE 17 ALLWOOD SIDING.
IS THAT A, DID HAVE THAT BEEN CHANGED? YES, IT'S BEEN CHANGED.
AND YOU HAVE FIVE GABLE BRANCHES? 1, 2, 3, FOURS? FIVE.
SO SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GENERALLY MOVING ALONG IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS, THEN WE THANK YOU, SIR, FOR COMING TO DISCUSS THIS WITH US.
IT WILL HELP YOU WITH YOUR FINAL REVIEW.
SO YOU GET WITH YOUR ARCHITECT AND HAVE HIM DRAW THAT DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? JUST SO WE'RE NOT CONFUSED.
AND, AND ANY CHANGES YOU THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE TO GIVE YOURSELF A BETTER CHANCE OF HAVING YOUR FIRST CA PASS ON THE FIRST TIME YOU ASK US ABOUT IT, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK.
OKAY, NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM ONE.
WHICH ONE ARE WE DOING? OH, SORRY.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 43 CASEY STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 0 6 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 12 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT FRONT GABLE ENDS HAVE TWO BRACKETS EACH CENTERED ABOVE THE AUTOMO PORCH COLUMNS.
THAT TWO PART PORCH COLUMNS BE TAPERED WITH A MINIMUM EIGHT INCH DIAMETER AT THE TOP.
THAT ROOF RAFTER TAILS BE EXPOSED.
THAT DRIVEWAY WALKWAYS AND STEPS VIA BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE AND THAT THE WOOD TRIM BE APPLIED TO NOT FLUSH WITH THE EXTERIOR SIDING.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHEATLEY PLACES PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.2, 9.3 9.7, AND NINE POINT 11 A PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO
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FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE FRONT DOORS NEED TO BE CENTERED WITH RESPECT TO FRONT FACADE.
NUMBER TWO, MAKE WINDOW TO THE LEFT OF DOOR A PAIRED WINDOW.
THREE PORCH STEPS SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET BEHIND PORCH COLUMNS.
THERE IS A NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED REVISED PLANS AFTER TASK FORCE MEETING DEPICTED UPDATED FRONT ELEVATION.
AND WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS.
MARIO BROWN IS, UM, MARIO BROWN WITH US? YEAH, WE ARE ONLINE.
HOW YOU DOING? MY NAME'S MARIO BROWN.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON.
DID IT, DID IT TURN ON? I THINK THAT'S IT.
UM, SO START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS MARIO BROWN WITH BROWN AND SONS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND I LIVE AT 27 20 EIFFEL DRIVE IN GRAND PRAIRIE, TEXAS.
AND YOU PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY, SIR.
WE'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR PROJECT AND ANYTHING YOU MIGHT THINK WE NEED TO KNOW TO HELP US MAKE OUR DECISION.
UM, WELL, YES, LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, MY NAME IS MARIO BROWN.
UM, I AM, UH, REPRESENTING THIS HOUSE AT 28 43 CASEY STREET.
UM, WE ARE TRYING TO ADD HOUSING IN THIS AREA, UM, TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE VACANT LOTS.
UM, WE'RE HOPING TO TRY TO GET ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER LOT ON THE SAME STREET.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD THIS HOME, UH, FOUR BEDROOMS, UH, NO DETACHED GARAGE.
UM, IT IS A CRAFTMAN STYLE HOUSE.
UH, IT MATCHES THE OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET.
UM, WE MADE SURE THE FRONT DOOR IS CENTERED.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE EIGHT EIGHT INCH COLUMNS, TAPER COLUMNS.
UH, WE DID MAKE SURE WE HAVE SIX FEET BEHIND THE POST, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE DO FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES.
UM, SOMETHING WE HEARD THIS MORNING THAT I'LL GET THE DESIGNER TO START MAKING IS, UH, WE ONLY HAVE A GABLE, UH, END ON THE FRONT FRONT PORCH.
WE WILL ADD THE GABLE ENDS ON THE BACK, ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AS WELL.
AND LET ME NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS JUST JOINED US.
ANYONE AT HOME? WELL, I'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER PRE QUESTION.
YEAH, SHE'D GO WITH THE WINDOW.
UM, JUST LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER GUYS SAID I, UH, RIGHT NOW I FOUND SOME AT HOME DEPOT.
UM, THAT IS THE DOUBLE, UH, THAT IS, THAT IS DOUBLE ALL WOOD.
UM, I DO WANT TO TRY TO FIND SOME THAT'S A LITTLE MORE COST EFFECTIVE, BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT'S NOT YOU GUYS', UH, PROBLEMS. BUT IT WILL BE WOOD, A HUNDRED PERCENT WOOD FOR SURE.
AND I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND ON THE, THAT THE LEFT ELEVATION THAT THE, UM, THEY'RE DOUBLE HUNG, BUT THEY'RE, THE, THE LOWER SASH IS SHORTER THAN THE UPPER SASH.
I WOULD MAKE THEM EQUAL TO MATCH ALL OF THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO LOWER, LOWER SASH SMALLER THAN THE UPPER? YEAH, SO, SO THEY'RE, YEAH.
SO THE SASHES ARE EQUAL SIZED INSTEAD OF ONE SMALLER, ONE LARGER.
AND MAY, THAT MAY JUST BE THE WAY IT WAS DRAWN, BUT UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HIS, I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THE DESIGNER MAKE THAT CHANGE.
IS THE, THE DRIVEWAY FOR THIS LOT, IS IT, I GUESS WEST OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE? YES.
AND WE WILL MAKE SURE IT GOES TO THE END OF THE HOUSE.
THE END OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT DOING A DETACHED.
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HOW IT'S, OKAY.SO IT'LL JUST DRIVE UP TO THE BACK OF THE LOT.
IF I DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE, I WON'T, I, I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE MET THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT IF I CAN STOP IT, UH, TOWARDS THE FRONT OR MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
UH, I'M, I'M HEARING FROM STAFF THAT PERHAPS WE HAVE NO, UM, ORDINANCE RULES ABOUT HOW FAR IT GOES BACK, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT OTHER PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO GET PAST, LIKE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MAY HAVE SOME OPINIONS
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING THE LOT, THE DRIVEWAY NOW THE NEXT DOOR IS USING THAT DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED.
THE, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS USING BOTH, BOTH DRIVEWAYS TO YOUR WEST? YEAH.
SO I COULDN'T TELL WHICH ONE AT THE BACK.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FENCE OR SOMETHING AT THE BACK.
WILL YOU HAVE A, IS IT CLEAR? IS IT CLEARLY DRIVABLE? YEAH.
SO BEYOND THOSE TREES, IT LOOKS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I COULDN'T SEE THIS WHAT WAS BUILT THAT THERE, BUT, OKAY.
OH, AND THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THEY SAID, UH, THEY REQUESTED THAT THE MATURE TREES BE LEFT ON THE LOT WHEN THE DEMOLITION ORDER WAS MADE.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE TREES.
SO ARE THE MATURE TREES MOSTLY LOCATED TO THE BACK OF THE LOT? THAT IT'S WHAT THE PICTURE IS TELLING YOU? YEAH, THE ONE UP FRONT.
I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S BIG OR LITTLE OR, YEAH, I CAN'T TELL EITHER.
IS THE TREE TO THE SIDE TO THE, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CAR ON THE LOT IS IT, IS IT'S ON THAT LOT.
HOLD ON, LET MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT ON THAT.
WELL, SO A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
ARE THE TREE, ALL THE TREES THAT ARE ON YOUR LAND, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED DURING THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTION AND CLEANUP? WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LEAVE THEM.
UH, I'LL CHECK THE MEASUREMENTS FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, THE TREE MAY COME IN CONTACT WITH THE DRIVEWAY, BUT I, I'LL MAKE IT WORK.
AND NOT JUST US, BUT I BELIEVE THE CITY SOMETIMES HAS SOME RULES ABOUT REMOVAL OF A MATURE TREE.
UH, AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE, UM, AMELIORATED BY THE PLANTING OF OTHER, IT SHOULD BE IN THE DISTRICT CASE, THE DISTRICT WOULDN.
UM, IT, IN THE DISTRICT ORDINANCE, IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY MUCH ABOUT MATURITY.
WELL MATURE TREES ARE GREAT LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS, SO PERHAPS THEY CAN BE MAINTAINED AND THEN THEY WILL BE A BENEFIT TO THE HOME.
ALRIGHT, IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN I NEED A MOTION FROM SOMEONE.
UNDER, UH, CASE NUMBER CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 0 6 RD 2 8 4 3 KC STREET MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, UH, WOOD WINDOWS BE EQUALLY SPACED FOR LOWER HUNG AND, AND UPPER HUNG.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS SECONDED.
BUT I WAS ABOUT TO ASK, WHAT ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT STAFF PROVIDED ARE I SAID BASED ON STAFF, BASED ON ALL STAFF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU ARE ADVOCATING ALL OF THEM THAT THEY PUT IN THERE? YES, THEY'RE ALL GOOD.
ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE TAKE OUR VOTE? ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT APPEARS THAT THE MOTION IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND SO YOU CAN WORK WITH DR. DUNN TO MOVE FORWARD NOW THAT YOU'LL GET YOUR, AND THEN GOOD LUCK TO YOU
NOW WE CAN GET TO BETTERTON CIRCLE AS I WAS IN SUCH A RUSH TO DO BEFORE.
THIS IS DR. DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1 1 1 7 OR 1117 BETTERTON
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CIRCLE.IT'S IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 3 0 5 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR OF BUILDING BODY VALSPAR ALMOST CHARCOAL 4,008 DASH TWO B TRIM VALSPAR TOM COAT BLACK V ONE 14 DASH THREE AN ACCENT MEN WAX STAIN COLOR PROVINCIAL APPLIED AS A STRIPE ON RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR OF BUILDING BODY SPAR ALMOST CHARCOAL 4,008 DASH TWO B TRIM VALSPAR TO COAT BLACK V ONE 14 DASH THREE AN ACCENT MEN WAX STAIN COLOR PROVINCIAL APPLIED AS A STRIPE ON RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION G PERTAINING TO COLOR UNDER FACADES THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PREPARE AND PAINT EXTERIOR OF MAIN BUILDING BODY VALSPAR, ALMOST CHARCOAL 4,008 DASH TWO B TRIM VALSPAR TOMCAT BLACK V ONE 14 DASH THREE AN ACCENT MEN WAX STAIN COLOR PROVINCIAL APPLIED ON STRIPE ON RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
COLORS AND PATTERN DESIGN ARE INAPPROPRIATE TO THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THEN THEY SHOULD GO AHEAD AND ASK THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS IN OUR BRIEFING.
IF NOT, IF ANYONE HAS A MOTION, THERE IS NO SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM.
OKAY, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, 1117 BETTERTON CIRCLE CA, 2 34 DASH 3 0 5 RD I MOVED TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UM, CA TO PREPARE AND PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF MAIN, THE BUIL MAIN BUILDING FOR A REASON, REASON CITED BY THE STAFF AND THE STANDARDS INCORPORATED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER REEVES FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA MADE THE MOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION OR ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY SO STAFF WILL LET THE APPLICANT KNOW.
WE'LL ALWAYS ALSO AS ALWAYS MENTION TO THEM THAT SINCE THEY GOT A DENIAL, THEY COULD APPEAL TO CPC, BUT WE WOULD RATHER THEY COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL AND TALK TO US.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM.
AND OF COURSE, STAFF, SINCE YOU MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHY YOU THINK IT DID NOT, UM, MANAGE TO FLY AND WHAT THEY MIGHT DO.
ALTERNATIVELY, THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
AND THANK YOU DR. DUNN FOR YOUR ENDLESS LABOR
I KNOW I KEEP JUST ADDING TO IT.
NOW WE'LL GO WITH DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR WHICH WE ALSO HAVE NO SPEAKER, BUT THAT IS ON DUNBAR.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 36 18 DUNBAR STREET IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 3 0 7 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 8 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT FRONT EXTERIOR LIGHTS BE LOWERED TO ALIGN WITH THE FRONT DOOR.
THAT BOTTOMS OF TWO PARKED PORCH COLUMNS BE EXTENDED TO GRADE LEVEL.
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PORCHES IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK HAVE A TREAD OF 11 INCHES AND RISERS AT A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN INCHES.THAT ROOF RAFTER TAILS BE EXPOSED.
THAT DRIVEWAY WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE AND THAT WOOD TRIM BE APPLIED TO NOT FLUSH WITH THE EXTERIOR SIDING.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHEATLEY PLACES PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.2, 9.3 9.7 AND NINE POINT 11 A PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, TO MEET CODE, INSTALL THREE STEPS AT EACH ENTRANCE.
NUMBER TWO, MAKE SURE DRAWINGS MATCH MATERIAL AND DETAIL.
SHEET THREE, MOVE FRONT EXTERIOR LIGHTS DOWN TO A LINE OF FRONT DOOR OR REMOVE WOOD ADDRESS FLAG FROM FRONT EXTERIOR WALL.
ONCE AGAIN, THERE IS NO ONE HERE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF, PLEASE ASK THOSE.
OTHERWISE WE ARE LOOKING FOR MOTION ON THIS.
COMMISSIONER PREZI, I I SHALL MAKE A MOTION IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO IN CASE NUMBER CA 2 34 DASH THREE SEVEN RD 3 6 1 8 DUNBAR STREET, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
AYE THOSE AT HOME SAY AYE TOO.
UM, DR. DUNN, PLEASE CONVEY TO THE APPLICANT WHAT HAD OCCURRED HERE TODAY AND WE WISH THEM WELL.
THAT LEAVES US ONE MORE REQUEST AND THAT IS D FOUR ON MONTCLAIR AND WE MOVE AWAY TO MS. LAMARQUE WATSON.
NOW D FOUR IS 300 SOUTH MONTCLAIR AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 2 93 MW.
THE REQUESTS ARE, NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ACCESSORY GARAGE STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE TWO EXISTING GARAGE DOORS ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND REPLACE WITH ONE 16 FOOT WIDE DOOR REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE SIDING ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, INSTALL A CHIPBOARD SHEETING AND THEN REINSTALL THE NUMBER ONE 17 NOVELTY SIDING REPLACING IN KIND AS NECESSARY.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAINT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO MATCH THE HOUSE LOWER FOUR FEET BARE UPW ULTRA WHITE ULTRAPURE WHITE, I'M SORRY, UPPER PORTION BAYER M1 40 ZERO DASH SEVEN DARK CRIMSON.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON REQUEST NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ACCESSORY GARAGE STRUCTURE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED LOT COVERAGE WOULD EXCEED THE ESTABLISHED LIMIT OF 35% AND WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED WORK THEREFORE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE TWO EXISTING GARAGE DOORS ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND REPLACE WITH ONE 16 FOOT WIDE DOOR BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE WITH THE FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ALTERATION WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 1 A ONE.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONS FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES OR THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR
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STANDARDS.ITEM NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE SIDING ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, INSTALL CHIPBOARD SHEETING AND THEN REINSTALL THE NUMBER ONE 17 NOVELTY SIDING REPLACING IN KIND AS NECESSARY.
BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT ANY REPLACEMENT SIDING EXACTLY MATCH THE EXISTING ONE 17 NOVELTY SIDING I IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.111 A ONE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ACT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAINT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO MATCH THE HOUSE LOWER FOUR FEET.
BARE UPW ULTRAPURE WHITE UPPER PORTION BARE M1 40 DASH SEVEN DAR CRIMSON BE APPROVED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87.11 A ONE.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, STRUCTURES, AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE TWO EXISTING GARAGE DOORS ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND REPLACE WITH ONE 16 FOOT WIDE DOOR.
NEED MORE DETAIL AND CONFIRMATION THAT CLIENT WANTS TO PROCEED WITH IDEAS DISCUSSED SUCH AS KEEPING THE DOOR CONFIGURATION AS IS AND ONLY PARTIALLY REPLACING THE SIDING WITH NUMBER ONE 17 SIDING.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THE SIDING ON THE ACCESSORY ACCESSORY BUILDING, INSTALL A CHIPBOARD SHEETING AND THEN REINSTALL THE ONE 17 NOVELTY SIDING.
REPLACING IN KIND IS NECESSARY BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NEED MORE DETAIL AND CONFIRMATION THAT THE CLIENT WANTS TO PROCEED WITH THAT IS DISCUSSED, WHICH IS KEEPING THE DUAL CONFIGURATION AS IS AND ONLY PARTIALLY REPLACING THE SIDING WITH ONE 17 SIDING.
NOTE REQUEST WAS REVISED FOLLOWING THE TASK FORCE MEETING OR THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAINT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO MATCH THE HOUSE LOWER FOUR FEET.
BARE ULTRAPURE WHITE UPPER PROPORTION BEAR M1 40 DASH SEVEN DARK CRIMSON BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
PAINT ON PAINT ONLY ONE PAINT COLOR AND EXACTLY MATCH THE COLOR FROM THE HOUSE.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THIS ONE OR DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU.
I HAVE A MOTION AND I MIGHT NEED HELP ON ONE PART OF IT, UM, IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 3 4 DASH 2 93 MW 300 SOUTH MONTCLAIR IN THE WINKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, UM, FOR THE REASONS STATED AND THE SECTIONS OF THE CRITERIA HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, AND THAT ON ITEM FOUR WE FOLLOW, UM, LET'S SEE, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY, UH, WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REQUEST TO PAINT, UM, A LOWER PORTION, FOUR FEET AND BELOW ULTRA PURE WHITE AND THE UPPER PORTION, UH, DARK CRIMSON BECAUSE, UM, THERE IS, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT, THERE IS NO HORIZONTAL DEMARCATION LINE AND HOWEVER, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT BE APPROVED, HOWEVER, TO PAINT, UM, THE ENTIRE BODY OF THE GARAGE MINUS THE TRIM IN THE DARK CRIMSON, ALL ONE COLOR.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I I THINK YOU WILL NEED TO DO EITHER AN APPROVAL WITH, I THINK YOU'LL NEED TO DO AN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT ITEM FOUR.
SO, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ITEM FOUR THAT WE APPROVE, UM, THE PAINTING OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE BODY, THE ENTIRE BODY BE PAINTED IN THE DARK CRIMSON AND THE TRIM, UM, AND THE DOORS BE ALLOWED TO BE PAINTED IN THE, UM, ULTRAPURE WHITE WITH THE FOUNDING EFFECT.
THAT THERE IS NO HORIZONTAL DEMARCATION LINE
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TO CREATE AN UPPER AND LOWER PORTION.I'LL SECOND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER PRO.
ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS? THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NOT, NOT DR. DUNN, MR. WATSON, YOU WILL PLEASE CONVEY TO THE APPLICANT WHAT WE DISCUSSED HERE WITH ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION THEY WILL NEED AND WE HOPE THAT THEIR PROJECT TURNS OUT WELL.
I, ALRIGHT, WE ALREADY DID D FIVE D SIX IS RECOGNITION OF MAY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH.
AND STAFF JUST WANTS TO REMIND YOU TO, UM, UH, LOOK AT OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND SEE OUR FACEBOOK POSTS.
ALSO LOOK AT PRESERVATION DALLAS, UH, THEIR POSTS THAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND, UM, I HOPE YOU WILL ATTEND THE AWARD CEREMONY ON MAY 21ST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE REVIEWED THAT WILL BE RECEIVING, UM, AWARDS.
DON'T GO AWAY BECAUSE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS, UH, ALSO OUR STAFF IS REQUESTING US THAT WE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AD HOC CODE COMMITTEE MEETING TO AMEND SOME OF OUR SECTIONS OF OUR ORDINANCE.
AND I WENT OVER THIS, UH, IN, UH, BRIEFING DURING LUNCH.
UM, WE HAD A SUGGESTED LANGUAGE CHANGE.
SO, UM, UH, WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER, UH, WHO HAS SUGGESTED THAT THE LANGUAGE CHANGE SOMEWHAT TO BE MINOR, CHANGES TO PLANS BE APPROVED BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION ARE PERMITTED WHEN AFTER BUILDING INSPECTION REVIEW OR OTHER FORMAL REVIEW, IT IS DETERMINED THAT, UH, AN ASPECT OF THE APPROVAL IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS OR PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE NEXT, UH, PART WOULD BE ADJUSTMENTS TO APPROVE PLANS SHALL BE LIMITED TO ONLY, UH, THOSE CHANGES THAT, UH, PERMIT, UH, THAT PERMIT THE PLANS TO CONFORM WITH ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AND PULL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
OTHERWISE, THESE SHALL INCLUDE REDUCING HEIGHT, INCREASING SETBACKS, REDUCING FLOOR AREA, UM, ADJUSTMENTS TO SIMILAR NATURE THAT STRICTLY COMPLY WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA OF THE RESPECTIVE DISTRICT.
AND THEN, UH, UH, MARCUS AND I ALSO ADDED A, UH, A, A SENTENCE AT THE END OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE DIRECTOR MAY MAKE MINOR MATERIAL SUBSTITUTIONS OR ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE WILL FIND THAT, UM, UH, A MATERIAL MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE OR A CERTAIN WINDOW THAT THEY CALLED OUT THE JEL WHEN ONES MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE AND THEY, UH, THE OWNER NEEDS TO SHIFT TO AN ANDERSON PRODUCT.
UM, THE FINAL DECISION TO PROCESS IS ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OR SENT BACK.
LANDMARK WOULD BE DETERMINED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, OR A PROPERTY OWNER HAS A MINOR CHA, UH, OR HAS A MINOR CHANGE THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA SUCH AS, OH, I'LL TAKE THAT PART OUT.
SO, UM, BUT WE, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY THAT IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF, UM, WE CAN'T GET THAT MATERIAL SITUATION THAT, UH, THAT WAS NOTED IN HERE, UM, TO BE SURE AND DO THAT.
AND THAT WOULD NOT BE A, A SUB A A SUBSTITUTE CHANGE.
IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE, UM, GAS STOPPED MAKING WEATHERED WOOD COLOR.
BUT THIS OTHER MANUFACTURER HAS EXACTLY THE SAME COLOR.
AND THEN THE OTHER SUGGESTED CHANGE WAS UNDER THE, UM, EXPIRATION OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THE NEW OWNER WE HAD ORIGINALLY PUT IN 60 DAYS AND THE PROPOSED CHANGE AFTER, UH, YOU ALL HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT WAS 90 DAYS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS UPON WHICH THEY WISH I SPOKE? ANY QUESTIONS FOR PEOPLE AT HOME? SO I CAN SEE YOU NOW, SO I LOOK YOU OP.
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YES.UM, ONE I WANT REALLY EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND STAFF FOR THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY, THIS IS, THESE THINGS NOT ONLY MAKE IT EASIER, UH, FOR STAFF, BUT IT ALSO REALLY MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR RESIDENTS TO SIMPLIFY AND UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT IS GOING ON AND HOW TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THESE PROCESSES.
SO I'M GONNA BE, UH, WHEN THE MOTION IS MADE SUPPORTING, UH, THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO AS A MEMBER OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, I WILL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE APPROVE MAKE THE PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSAL, I MEAN THE, THE MOTION, UH, CAUTIOUSLY
AND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN IS ALSO, FRANKLY, AND I ALSO WAS A MEMBER OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.
SECOND LANGUAGE, HAD YOU FINISHED SAYING IT
THEN WE APPROVE THE MOTION AS WELL.
I WAS GONNA SAY AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGES AS PRESENTED WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE, AND THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
AND THIS INCORPORATES THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE, MAKE COMMENT.
I JUST WANNA THANK AGAIN, KATE FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DID ON THIS AND, AND, AND KEEPING THIS, UH, COMMITTEE MOVING.
UH, WE MET LIKE EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, AND WE HAD HOMEWORK IN BETWEEN, UM, TO PREPARE FOR EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS.
AND, UH, WE SPENT A GOOD DEAL OF TIME.
I MEAN, OUR MEETINGS WERE AN HOUR AND A HALF, TWO HOURS SOMETIME GOING THROUGH EACH OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND REALLY THOROUGHLY VETTING THEM AND, AND AND WORDSMITHING THEM TO GET THEM RIGHT.
AND SO I JUST WANNA APPRECIATE KATE FOR BRINGING ALL OF THESE FORWARD AND, AND HELPING US TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE SHE LEAVES US.
ALL THOSE IN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THEN THAT HAS PASSED AS WELL AND THERE'S NOBODY TO INFORM OR THERE IS, BUT YOU ALL KNOW WHO, WHO IT IS.
THAT LEAVES US WITH ONE MORE THING.
THE RESIGNATION AS TENDERED BY KATE SINGLETON, CHIEF PRESERVATION PLANNER, AN ELOQUENT AND FACT PACKED RESIGNATION LETTER, BOTH ABOUT HER EXPERIENCES WORKING WITH THE CITY REPEATEDLY AND HER ADVICE FOR US ALL GOING FORWARD, BOTH STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS.
SHE DID REMIND US BE REAL NICE TO THE STAFF.
SO WE'LL BE NICE TO THE STAFF.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A MOTION.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT THE MOTION WAS FOR DENIAL THAT THERE IT'S FOR DENIAL OF HER LEAVING.
WE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE ANYONE STAY IN DALLAS.
SO NO, IT HAS TO STAY FOREVER.
YOU CAN'T COME BACK, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T COME BACK FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
ALL WE CAN DO IS SAY GOODBYE, KATE AND, UM, WISH HER WELL.
WISH WE CAN DO AGAIN AT THE AWARD CEREMONY ON THE 21ST WHEN SHE WINS.
SO, AND THAT, UH, SO I WILL BE IN THE OFFICE UNTIL THE 24TH.
UM,
UM, UH, THE STAFF KNOWS THE SUPER SECRET CELL PHONE NUMBER AND UM, UH, EMAIL ADDRESS.
AND SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE THE SUPER SECRET BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ONE.
YEAH, THE SUPER SECRET, UH, CELL PHONE NUMBER TOO.
IF YOU NEED ANYTHING, LET ME KNOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO HELP AND HOPEFULLY I'M GONNA PUT TOGETHER JUST FYIA SMALL BLOOD SHOE, UM, UH, A SMALL PROPOSAL HOPEFULLY TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, UH, WE'RE HOPING CAN BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO, TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA TRY AND DO THAT.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, BUT I, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MUCH, UM, YOUR DEDICATION HAS MEANT TO ME AND TO THE STAFF.
UH, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
WELL, LET ME PUT IT, I I'M GONNA TELL A STORY OUTTA SCHOOL BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
AT THE VERY END OF THE HR A UH, PLAN, UH, ONE OF THE CONSULTANTS CAME AND SAT DOWN WITH STAFF AND SHE LOOKED AT STAFF AND OF COURSE WE COULDN'T L LOOK AT EACH OTHER BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE BURST OUT LAUGHING.
SHE GOES, I DIDN'T KNOW HISTORIC PRESERVATION WAS SO HARD.
I COULD NOT LOOK AT CHRISTINA.
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I COULDN'T LOOK AT ADRIAN.I COULD NOT LOOK AT OUR DEAR DR. DUNN BECAUSE I WOULD'VE BURST OUT LAUGHING.
WE WORK WITH PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES AND WE WORK WITH THEIR EMOTIONS AND THEIR FEELINGS AND YET WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCES AND KEEP, KEEP EVERYTHING IN ORDER FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
IT'S NOT EASY BEING ON THE, UH, ON THE COMMISSION.
BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SUPPORTING STAFF AND FOR SERVING.
IT JUST IS REALLY IMPORTANT WORK.
WE, UM, AT THE
SO I ALWAYS JOKE THAT WE ARE DOING GOD'S WORK.
AH, WELL THANK YOU FOR SAVING US WHEN WE NEEDED YOU AND WE CALLED UPON YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT TOO.
I THINK I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR RIDING THE SHIP AND GETTING US BACK ON TRACK.
'CAUSE WE WERE FLOATING AROUND, UH, UH, BEFORE YOU GOT HERE.
AND NOW WE ARE ON THE TRACK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BUILT A GREAT STAFF HERE AND WE HOPE TO ADD TO THAT STAFF.
UH, HOPE YOU GET MORE, MORE STAFF MEMBERS.
UM, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT WAS NOT EASY.
AND THEN HAVING THE CURVE BALL OF THE HR AND A HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT AS WELL AS EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH WAS UNEXPECTED.
UH, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND, AND TO THE OTHER SIDE.
SO WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION NOW.
SHALL WE APPLAUD HER? MADAM CHAIR? COMMISSIONER OFFIT, ARE YOU APPLAUDING OR RAISING YOUR HAND? I
UH, I DID WANNA MENTION FOR THOSE THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, UM, THE LUNCHEON TWO WEEKS AGO FOR APPOINTEES, BOTH, UM, PHYLLIS AND, UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WERE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT BY THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR INCREDIBLE SERVICE, UH, TO THE CITY AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THEY WERE RECOGNIZED.
SO LOTS OF PEOPLE GETTING RECOGNITION FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
WHO, WHO WILL SIT NEXT TO ME NEXT MONTH? KATE MARCUS WILL SIT NEXT TO ME.
HAVE YOU PREPARED HIM? UH, HE JUST FOUND OUT TO TELL ME, TO TELL ME NO WHEN I'M DOING THE WRONG THING.
I JUST THOUGHT I, I, UH, YOU KNOW, I, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE AND SO THAT HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING.
WELL THEN IT WAS HIS JOB TO REMIND ME.
WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THE MINUTES YET.
WHY IS EVERYONE PACKING UP? I NEED A MOTION ON THE MINUTES IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES HAS SUBMITTED.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR MOTION, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AND YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER GUEST.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MINUTES HAVE PASSED.
I DO BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS, IF NOT OUR, OUR SORROW AT THE LOSS OF OUR FRIEND, BUT, UM, STILL ALIVE.
YOU'RE GONNA BE IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO IT IS THREE 14 AND, UH, I AM CALLING, I'M SAYING THAT THIS MISSION, THIS MISSION, THIS MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED.
I'M GONNA GO HOME AND PRACTICE.