[Community Police Oversight Board on May 14, 2024.]
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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
AND AT THIS TIME, WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE BOARD.
AND SO WE WILL GET THIS MEETING STARTED.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING ON MAY THE 14TH IS 5:44 PM 5:44 PM AND THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST, THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES, OUR CONDUCTED FAIR, IMPARTIAL, THOROUGH, AND TRANSPARENT THE BOARD'S.
CAN YOU HEAR ANYBODY SPEAKING RIGHT NOW? UH, SORRY, KEVIN, DID YOU, UH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, WE DON'T HEAR ANYBODY.
C THE BOARD SEEKS TO ENSURE THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, EACH OF US, UH, THERE'S 14 DISTRICTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S BEEN VOTED IN, UH, HANDPICKED EACH OF THE MEMBERS THAT ARE SITTING AROUND, UH, THIS HORSESHOE.
AND I REPRESENT, UH, THE MAYOR OF DALLAS, ERIC JOHNSON.
AND WE ARE HERE, UH, TO SERVE THE PEOPLE AND THEIR INTERESTS AND TO, UH, PROVIDE ACCESSIBLE ACCESS FOR THEM, UH, TO HAVE A, A COMPLETE FILED.
AND AT THIS TIME, AS WE DO, UH, EVERY MEETING, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND, UH, PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISCRETION, UH, BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, BUT THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED FROM ONE CHAIRMAN.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR YOU, YOU CALL HIM AND JUST, UH, TELL HIM WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY ON, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? CAN, YES, SIR.
DID I START OVER OR
I'D LIKE TO, UH, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE BOARD, AND SO WE CAN GET THIS MEETING STARTED.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME IS 5:47 PM 5:47 PM AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR, IMPARTIAL, THOROUGH, AND ARE TRANSPARENT.
THE BOARD SEEKS TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
AND AS WE DO EACH MEETING, WE ARE NOW GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
UH, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISCRETION GIVEN BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED.
UH, PLEASE, AS YOU ARE GIVING YOUR COMMENT, UH, ADDRESS, UH, ME AS THE CHAIR, UH, BUT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WILL BE LISTENING, UH, TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY, UH, TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK AT THE START OF THIS MEETING, PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF THIS, THE, UH, OVERSIGHT BOARD, STAFF, AND, UH, THE OVERSIGHT POLICE OVERSIGHT OFFICE STAFF.
AND THEY'LL BE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM FOR SPEAKER CARDS.
BUT AT THIS TIME, WE DO HAVE SEVEN SPEAKERS, UH, AT THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WE'LL BE GIVING, UH, THREE MINUTES, UH, PER PERSON.
UH, I'D LIKE TO GIVE, UH, THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME TO DOLORES PHILLIPS.
DOLORES PHILLIPS, WELCOME, UH, TO THE MEETING.
AND, UH, AS SOON AS YOU BEGIN SPEAKING, THE TIMER WILL BEGIN.
I'M A HORACE, SO I'M A, I I PRAY Y'ALL CAN UNDERSTAND ME.
I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM FEDERAL BUREAU OF
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INVESTIGATION.THEY SAID THEY ARE PROCESSING MY OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.
I REQUESTED FOR THEM TO GIVE ME EACH TIME THAT I'VE BEEN THERE, TO ASK THEM TO ASSIST ME IN CLEARING MY NAME FROM THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT TO 7 3 2 9 1 DASH A.
YOU RECEIVED HANDOUTS VIA EMAIL.
I DIDN'T GIVE YOU PHYSICAL HANDOUTS BECAUSE THEY'LL BE PRESENTED IN THE MORNING BEFORE THE MAYOR.
IT SAYS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, IT SAYS, THIS IS THE FIRST CALL ON THE CD AND THE ONLY CALL THAT WAS WRITTEN BY A POLICE OFFICER IN THE OPEN RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
IT WAS A EIGHT 17 CALL, 8 33 CALL, AND A 8 55 CALL.
THE EIGHT THIRTY THREE CALL THAT WAS RELEASED WAS THE ONLY CALL THEY KEPT SAYING THAT I DIDN'T MAKE THOSE CALLS.
WHEN THEY RELEASED THE 8:33 PM CALL, IT WAS REALLY THE EIGHT 17 CALL THAT THEY SAID WAS NEVER MADE.
WHAT THEY DID WAS LOOP THE EIGHT 17 CALL TWICE TO MAKE IT THE THREE TO MAKE IT SEEM MISS, THOUGH IT WAS THE THREE MINUTE CALL FROM 8:33 PM STAY WITH ME BECAUSE THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION IS GOING TO GIVE ME WHAT THEY CAN FIND THAT'S BEEN REPORTED OF ANY ARRESTS THAT WERE MADE ON FOR ME.
I'M GOING TO SEND THEM FINGERPRINTS ON TOMORROW.
STAY WITH ME ON THE INCIDENT DETAIL REPORT FOR OCTOBER 25TH, 2013.
THIS WAS A PREARRANGED MEETING BY MAYOR ROLLINS.
SPEAKING OF THE CALLS THAT THEY SAID THAT WAS NEVER MADE, THAT WAS ERASED WITHIN A WEEK.
THIS FABRICATED POLICE REPORT CONTINUED TO BE REFERENCED UNLAWFULLY AND UNJUSTLY SCHOOLS.
UTA UT DENTON STAY WITH ME, WITH ME, WITH MY FATHER, AND NOW MY MOTHER STAY WITH ME ON THE INCIDENT DETAIL REPORT ON THE FIRST PAGE FOR OCTOBER 25TH, 2013, DPD REPORT, 0 2 7 3 2 9 1.
THE, THE DISPATCHER REPORTED THAT THE REQUESTED CASE NUMBER BY THE OFFICER WAS 0 2 7 3 2 9 1.
I WENT DOWNSTAIRS NOVEMBER, 2013, LESS THAN A MONTH AFTER I WAS UNLAWFULLY IN PRISON, AND ASKED HER WHY WOULD SHE TAKE THOSE TYPE OF NOTES.
SHE SAID IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT SHE TAKE THOSE NOTES BECAUSE THAT NUMBER WAS REQUESTED BY THE OFFICER, AND THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
SHE SAID, THE OFFICERS USUALLY CALL US AND WE GIVE THEM A NUMBER.
SHE SAID THIS OFFICER HAD HIS OWN NUMBER AND SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO USE IT, AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
SHE SAID WE HAD TO MAKE THOSE NOTES BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT WOULD TRIGGER A AUDIT BY DATE IF SOMEONE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER AND IT WASN'T IN SEQUENCE WITH THE OTHER NUMBERS.
I'M WHORES TODAY, BUT I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO TALK.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THESE RECORDS WHEN FBI SEND THEM BACK TO ME.
AND YES, WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE RECEIVED THOSE DOCUMENTS, AND, UH, SO THEY'RE OUR POSSESSION.
SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND, UH, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.
I BELIEVE THE NEXT, UH, SIX, UH, SPEAKERS FOR CUP OF COMMENT, UH, ARE GONNA BE SPEAKING IN REGARD TO AGENDA ITEM TWO B REGARDING, UH, SERGEANT, UH, KORA, UH, GRAY SERGEANT GRAY.
AND, UH, SO FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, TO, JUST SO YOU HAVE AN AWARENESS OF WHAT, UH, SERGEANT GRAY, UH, WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE CASE A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UH, BUT THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, UH, ABOUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO I'D LIKE TO CALL TO THE STAND, UH, PAULA BROWN TO THE, TO THE PODIUM.
AND, UH, KEVIN, IF I MENTION ANYONE'S NAME THAT'S ONLINE, PLEASE, UH, LET ME KNOW.
HOW ABOUT DIANA JACKSON? OH, YES, KEVIN, WE HAVE, UM, NO ONE ONLINE RIGHT NOW TO SPEAK.
WHO'S, UH, WHO'S ONLINE? NO ONE.
WE HAVE NO ONE ONLINE, SIR DIANA JACKSON.
AND, UH, THE LAST NAME I HAVE HERE IS, UH, TA SNEED.
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THERE WILL BE, UH, A, A TIME AT THE END OF THE MEETING TOO FOR A PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENTS.SO IF YOU DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND WOULD STILL LIKE, UH, YOUR THREE MINUTES, UH, BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, NO.
WE HAD THE END OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU CAN, UH, SPEAK AT THE PODIUM FOR THREE MINUTES AND NO SIGNUP IS REQUIRED.
WE'LL, UH, ASK FOR ANYONE AT THAT TIME TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, LET'S BEGIN AT THIS TIME BY TAKING A, UH, ROLE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, PRESENT.
AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS GO, UH, DISTRICT BY DISTRICT FROM STARTING FROM DISTRICT ONE, AND, UH, DISTRICT ONE, OZZIE SMITH.
BRIAN BALL PRESENT? DISTRICT SIX.
JOSE REVIS, DISTRICT SEVEN, PRESENT.
JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, UH, PRESENT AT THIS TIME, TAKE A A FEW MINUTES TO LOOK OVER THE, THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING, AND WHEN A BOARD MEMBER FEELS APPROPRIATE, I CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, AND THERE'LL BE, UH, A NEED IN NEED OF A SECOND.
AND THEN WE'LL VOTE, UH, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.
DISTRICT FOUR, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
THE MOTION THERE HAS BEEN A, A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE TO CALL, UH, FOR A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES SO THAT WE COULD ADJUST SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, UH, TO MOVE THEM EARLIER IN THE MEETING.
DO, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION? YES.
JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, MOVE TO SUSPEND THE CPLB RULES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE CITY ATTORNEY THE TIME NECESSARY TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
OKAY, PERFECT FOR THE MINUTES.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
WE, UH, WANNA THANK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR BEING HERE, UH, AT THIS MEETING TODAY.
THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US ON CHAPTER EIGHT.
AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR GRACIOUSNESS LAST MEETING, THEY STAYED THE WHOLE TIME AND WE RAN OUTTA TIME.
AND SO, UH, THEY AGREED TO COME BACK AND AS A TOKEN OF GRATITUDE, WANTED TO, UH, GIVE THEM, UH, FIRST THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY.
AND I DO BELIEVE, UH, SPECIAL PROPS TOO.
IT'S YOUR DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY TODAY, RIGHT? BERT? WORKING HARD ON HIS DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME, UH, TO SHARE, UH, ABOUT CHAPTER EIGHT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
BERT VANDENBERG, UH, I'M AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HERE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS ON THE SCREEN AND THAT YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE THAT IS IN MY WASTE.
THIS IS GONNA MAKE THIS A CHALLENGE.
UM, I'M GONNA COVER CHAPTER EIGHT, YOUR MICROPHONE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU GOTTA GET ME CLOSE.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, UM, I'M GONNA BE COVERING CHAPTER EIGHT.
CHAPTER EIGHT, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND THE DALLAS CITY CODE REALLY PROVIDES, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF YOUR BYLAWS.
UM, YOU GUYS ARE COVERED IN THE POLICE CHAPTER, BUT, AND IN CHAPTER TWO, BUT CHAPTER EIGHT SORT OF PROVIDES THE BYLAWS FOR MOST OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY.
ONE THING I NOTICED IS THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED YOUR OWN RULES OF PROCEDURE.
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BUT IF YOU'LL LOOK AT YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, MOST OF 'EM AT THE END, SAY, IN A LITTLE BRACKET, SAYS LIKE EIGHT DASH 14, BECAUSE THE RULES YOU ADOPTED ARE PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT OUT OF CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE VERY EXCITING.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, JUICE IT UP ANY, SO HERE WE GO.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT A BOARD MEANS A BORDER COMMISSION IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT'S CREATED BY AN ORDINANCE, OR THE CHARTER CHAIR IS THE CHAIR, UM, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS THE CHAIR.
AND ALL COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE CHAIR WHENEVER THE MEETING IS GOING ON.
AND THAT'S BY BOTH PUBLIC SPEAKERS AND THE OTHER BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.
IT'S ANY INFORMATION YOU RECEIVE THAT CAN'T BE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC.
GENERALLY THAT HAPPENS IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, IN YOUR CASE, IT'D MOSTLY BE WITH, UH, ATTORNEYS.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE, UH, CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT HAS TO DO WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, HAS TO DO WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEALS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF PERSONNEL, AND I, I SUPPOSE YOU GUYS COULD ALSO HAVE PERSONNEL, UH, MATTERS AS WELL.
CONSIDERATION IS THE ACTION BY WHICH YOU CON YOU DISPOSE OF A MOTION THAT'S IMPORTANT, UH, FOR THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT CHANGED SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND SAID THAT YOU MUST ALLOW PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON ANYTHING YOU'RE CONSIDERING.
UM, WE LOOKED UP CONSIDERING, UH, IN, IN BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY, ACTUALLY, AND FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY AN ACTION TAKEN TO DISPOSE OF A MOTION.
SO EVERY YEAR, UH, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, EVERY BOARD COMMISSION IN THE CITY HAS TO DO A REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU ARE ALL APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, AND YOU MUST ALL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD BE FIBBING A LITTLE IF I SAID EVERYONE GOT EVERY REPORT IN ON TIME.
THERE'S USUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY BECAUSE SOME MEETINGS ARE EVERY MONTH, EVERY OTHER MONTH.
UM, BUT EVERY, EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION IN THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE A, A, UH, REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL.
I BELIEVE YOUR ACTUAL RULES SAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE OTHER REPORTS AS WELL.
THE RULES OF ORDER FOR YOU GUYS, OTHER THAN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, YOU ADOPTED EVERYTHING DEFAULTS TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
UM, THERE'S I, UH, NO SHAME IN MY GAME.
I HAVE ROBERT'S RULES FOR IDIOTS.
I HAVE THE DUMMIES GUIDE TO ROBERT'S RULES.
I HAVE THE LITTLE ABRIDGED ROBERT'S RULES.
BUT THE BEST THING YOU CAN HAVE, IF YOU WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW A MEETING WORKS, IS THE ACTUAL ROBERT'S RULES.
I, UM, THE PUBLIC CHARACTER OF MEETINGS AND ACTIONS.
I THINK THAT MR. CHAIR SUMMED IT UP PRETTY WELL IN THE BEGINNING WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE, THE PUBLIC HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
THAT IS THE, UH, THE NATURE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND YOU GUYS ARE SUBJECT TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING POSTED AT LEAST THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE.
THE AGENDA HAS TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COME SEE.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE TO SHOW THE ACTUAL PRESENTATIONS, BUT AS LONG AS THE AGENDA SAYS THIS IS THE TOPIC, AND IT PROVIDES ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC TO, TO, TO, TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IT AND COME SEE, THEN YOU HAVE MET, UH, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE HAVE TO SAY WHY YOU'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND UNDER WHAT CHAPTER, WHAT EXCEPTION OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
YOU'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE YOU GO IN AND WHEN YOU COME OUT.
AND THERE ARE VERY LIMITED EXCEPTIONS TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF, A LOT OF BODIES WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN TO HAVE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS IN EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE YOU THAT.
ALL IT DOES IS GIVE YOU TO GO INTO, TALK TO YOUR ATTORNEY ABOUT CERTAIN MATTERS OR PERSONNEL MATTERS OR REAL ESTATE MATTERS.
THIS IS KIND OF A CRAZY THING, WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS HERE, THAT THE CHAIR IS SUPPOSED TO APPOINT A SERGEANT IN ARMS AND A DEPUTY TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN LINE.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT EVER REALLY HAPPENS.
THERE ARE, THERE'S SECURITY AND EVERYONE USUALLY ACTS OKAY.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE CHAIR SHOULD REQUIRE MEMBERS TO LIMIT THEIR DISCUSSION, TO QUESTION, TO DEBATE QUESTIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION.
NOT JUST BECAUSE IT HELPS THE MEETING MOVE ALONG BETTER, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS POSTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND YOU NEED TO STAY ON THE TOPIC OF WHAT THE PUBLIC EXPECTS YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT TO THE FLOOR.
EVERY MEMBER HAS A RIGHT TO THE FLOOR ONCE THEY'RE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
UM, AND YOU, IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT HERE, IS YOU GOTTA CONFINE YOUR REMARKS TO QUESTIONS UNDER DEBATE, AVOID PERSONALITIES, AND REFRAIN FROM IMPUGNING THE MOTIVES OF ANY OTHER MEMBER'S ARGUMENT OR VOTE.
UM, AND ONCE THE VOTE STARTS, YOU, YOU CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
ONCE THE VOTE STARTS, IT STARTED, UM, THAT WE RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM SOMETIMES WHERE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, WAIT, WE'RE VOTING WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING.
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ONCE THE VOTE STARTS, YOU'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT IT.UNDER CHAPTER 12 A OF THE ETHICS CODE, IF YOU LEARN CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, IT IS AGAINST THE ETHICS CODE TO RELEASE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT OF APPEAL.
IF THE CHAIR MAKES A RULING THAT A MEMBER DISAGREES WITH THE MEMBER CAN APPEAL, THE, THE CHAIR'S DECISION HAS TO DO IT RIGHT THEN AND HAS TO GET A SECOND.
BUT EVEN THOUGH THE CHAIR RUNS THE MEETING, THE MEETING BELONGS TO THE BODY.
SO IF THE BODY DECIDES THAT, NO, WE DISAGREE WITH THE CHAIR'S MEETING, OR CHAIR'S MEETING, I'M SORRY, CHAIR'S RULING, THEY CAN BY MAJORITY VOTE OVERTURN THE CHAIR'S RULING ON A, ON A POINT OF ORDER OR ANOTHER ISSUE, LIMITATION OF DEBATE.
NOW, THIS IS, THIS MIGHT COME AS A SURPRISE, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY IN YOUR GUYS', IN YOUR GUYS' RULES OF PROCEDURE.
YOU CAN'T TALK MORE THAN ONCE UPON ANY SUBJECT UNTIL EVERY OTHER MEMBER HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
AND NO MEMBER CAN SPEAK MORE THAN TWICE ON ANY SUBJECT.
AND FOR NO LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES, TOTAL FIVE MINUTES TOTAL, FOUR MINUTES, AND A ONE MINUTE PERIOD, THREE MINUTES AND A TWO MINUTE PERIOD, UNLESS YOU GET A TWO THIRDS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE BOARD TO EXTEND YOUR TIME.
THAT BEING SAID, YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, ACTUALLY CLARIFY THAT.
THAT INCLUDES ASKING QUESTIONS, NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT MOTION, BUT ASKING QUESTIONS.
IT'S ALL ROLLED UP IN ONE ITEM IN YOUR, IN YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
SO FIVE MINUTES TOTAL PER ITEM.
AND ALSO, THAT'S NOT JUST A RULE OF PROCEDURE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY DALLAS CITY CODE.
SO, UM, BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT THE CHAIR RUNS THE MEETING.
THE MEETING BELONGS TO THE BODY, AND IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP TO PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM.
AND IF SOMEONE'S NOT ACTING RIGHT, IT NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT AND TELL THE CHAIR POINT OF ORDER.
THIS PERSON IS NOT FOLLOWING OUR RULES, OR THIS IS HAPPENING, OR WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
AND THE CHAIR NEEDS TO RULE ON IT AT THAT TIME.
UM, ONCE THE BOARD MEMBER'S SPEAKING, YOU SHALL NOT BE INTERRUPTED.
UM, IF YOU'RE CALLED TO ORDER, IF SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, I THINK THAT THAT'S OUTTA LINE, YOU GOTTA STOP SPEAKING UNTIL YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DOING A POINT OF ORDER AND AN APPEAL IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, YOU HAVE TO USE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, TO CITY EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
AND TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING FROM THE BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, SHOULDN'T BE RUDE.
UM, AGAIN, ITEM E BOARD MEMBERS SHALL CONFINE THEIR QUESTIONS TO THE PARTICULAR MATTERS BEFORE THE ASSEMBLY.
AGAIN, THAT'S ALSO SO YOU STAY ON TRACK WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, MEMBERS SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE MEETING FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY.
UM, THAT REALLY, REALLY NEVER COMES UP, I HOPE.
UM, SECTIONS 8 23 AND 8 24 ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND NEWS MEDIA MEMBERS, THEY, THEY ALL HAVE TO ACT NICE TOO, THAT I DIDN'T BOTHER REPEATING IT.
BUT EVERYBODY HAS TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AND TREAT EACH OTHER PROPERLY.
UM, THE ONE THING ABOUT NEWS MEDIA MEMBERS IS, IS YOU REALLY CAN'T DO INTERVIEWS IN A ROOM WHILE A MEETING IS HAPPENING BECAUSE IT INTERFERES WITH THE, WITH THE MEETING ITSELF.
UM, UNDER THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND TAKE PICTURES AND RECORD AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT INTERFERING WITH THE MEETING.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I THINK I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT, THEY SHOULD NOT MAKE PERSONAL AND PERTINENT AND SLANDEROUS REMARKS.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE SAME STANDARD THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, UM, UNAUTHORIZED REMARKS FROM THE AUDIENCE.
STAMPING A FEED WHISTLE IS BASICALLY THINGS THAT ACTUALLY DISRUPT THE MEETING ISN'T ALLOWED.
'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE AN EFFICIENT MEETING AND TO SERVE THE, SERVE THE NEEDS OF, OF ALL THE PUBLIC.
UM, ALL RECOMMENDATIONS AND RESOLUTIONS AND REPORTS.
EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS.
IT'S NOT ONE PERSON JUST DOESN'T GET TO SAY, THIS IS MY REPORT AND I'M JUST GONNA GO GIVE IT TO, TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU GUYS ARE A BODY AND YOU FOLLOW CERTAIN PROCEDURES TO GET YOUR REPORTS.
YOU VOTE, YOU SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AGAIN, UNLESS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF A BOARD, EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A BOARD, UH, YOU GOT TO, YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND REPRESENT THE BOARD UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN AUTHORIZED TO DO SO.
UM, LEGAL OPINIONS, IF A LEGAL OPINION IS RENDERED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RULE.
UM, MAYBE YOU DON'T ALWAYS ASK.
UM, I WILL SAY ONE MORE QUICK THING.
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UM, OH, LORD, I JUST FORGOT WHAT IT WAS.THANK YOU SO MUCH BIRD FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND ALSO FOR THE BOARD TO BE AWARE, THE ENTIRE CHAPTER EIGHT IS IN OUR BINDER.
SO IF YOU WANT SOME LIGHT READING TONIGHT OR ANOTHER TIME, UH, YOU CAN, UH, READ WHAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED UPON.
IT'S IN YOUR PACKET AT THIS TIME.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP, UH, THE, UH, AT THIS TIME FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REGARDING, UH, CHAPTER EIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM THE BOARD? MR. CHAIR? I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, I, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ATTEND ALL OF OUR MEETINGS? THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ATTEND ALL THE MEETINGS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY 61 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THIS CITY.
I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S MORE LIKE 59.
THEY COUNT SOME OF THE ALTERNATES AS BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY ATTORNEYS TO ATTEND EVERY MEETING.
WE DO ATTEND CITY COUNCIL, CITY PLAN COMMISSION, LANDMARK COMMISSION, THE QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARDS.
UM, WE DO AS A COURTESY TRY TO STAFF CERTAIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHEN WE'RE ASKED.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO HAVE THAT MUCH MANPOWER, BUT NO, IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, BERT AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS CHAPTER EIGHT OF WHAT, WHAT BOOK? UH, THIS IS CHAPTER EIGHT OF VOLUME ONE OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
THE DALLAS CITY CODE IS FOUR VOLUMES.
UH, MOST PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S ONLY THREE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A FOURTH ONE, WHICH CONTAINS ALL THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, THE OVER THOUSAND ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
BUT IT'S CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
AND THIS CHAPTER SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ONLY.
THAT'S ALL IT APPLIES TO IS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, ONE THING I WILL ADD IS I, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU GUYS GET MORE, ANOTHER TRAINING OR TWO PERHAPS ON THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT TO, TO GET A GOOD TRAINING ON THAT.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT THIS TIME, BUT I HAVE A, A WHOLE CADRE OF JUST GREAT ATTORNEYS WHO CAN DO PRESENTATIONS ON THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER TOPICS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THE ETHICS PRESENTATION RECENTLY.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THAT, YOU'RE GOOD.
UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE LINE UP A COUPLE MORE TRAININGS FOR YOU GUYS.
I, I BELIEVE, UH, CHRISTOPHER CLARK, THE MEDIATION MANAGER FROM THE OFFICE, HAD A QUESTION AS WELL.
I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I I CAN ALSO POSE IT TO YOU AFTERWARDS.
IT'S, UH, THERE'S JUST A NUMBER FOUR ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
NOTICE, UM, SAYS A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION MAY BE HER HELD, IF A DISCUSSION OF ANY OF THE ABOVE AGENDA ITEMS CONCERNS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING.
AND NUMBER FOUR IS DELIBERATING THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE, OR THEY HEAR A COMPLAINT OR CHARGE AGAINST AN OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE UNLESS THE OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE WHO IS SUBJECT OF THE DELIBERATION OR HEARING REQUESTS A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF ON THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD DOES IS HEAR COMPLAINTS AGAINST EMPLOYEES.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW THAT, HOW, HOW WE CARVE OUT NOT USING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THAT PURPOSE, BECAUSE WE DO HEAR THE DETAILS OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST PUBLIC EMPLOYEES AND, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE BE ASKING THEM ANYWAY? I, YEAH.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY, VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.
UM, THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE, I WOULD HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE AND I'M HA IF YOU WANT TO, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, I REALLY WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT, UH, STAFF GETS WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT.
UM, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA DO A DRIVE BY OPINION RIGHT NOW, THOUGH.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WHAT THANK THE CITY, UH, THE DALLAS, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENCE TODAY, BUT ALSO, UH, FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY LAST MONTH AS WELL.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME HERE.
BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE INTO THE ACTION ITEMS TODAY, THERE IS ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE WERE HOPING TO MOVE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF, UH, THIS MEETING THAT IS HONORING DPD HEROES, UM, AS WE, UH, WANTED A FEW WORDS FROM THE OCPO MEDIATION MANAGER, CHRISTOPHER CLARK.
UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES CHRISTOPHER CLARK AT THIS TIME TO SPEAK ON THIS.
UM, THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE.
THANK YOU TO THE DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.
UM, OUR DIRECTOR WOULD BE HERE, BUT SHE HAD A PERSONAL MATTER COME UP, AND SO SHE'S TASKED ME WITH, WITH SITTING IN THIS SEAT TODAY.
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THE BOARD IN THE OFFICE OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WANTED TO START TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, BY TAKING A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.THIS WEEK IS NATIONAL POLICE WEEK.
A TIME TO REFLECT ON OUR REVERENCE FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT BRAVELY SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
AS POLICE OFFICERS, WE EXPECT OFFICERS TO POLICE OUR STREETS, TO PROTECT US, TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE IT HOME SAFELY.
OUR LOVED ONES AND OUR CHILDREN MAKE IT HOME SAFELY.
IT'S A BIG ASK, BUT WE ASK IT.
AND DPD OFFICERS PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY DAY TO TRY AND GIVE US WHAT WE ASK FOR.
WE ARE GRATEFUL, BUT FOR THE VITAL ROLE POLICE PLAY IN OUR SOCIETY, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE.
IT IS NOT LOST ON US HOW MUCH WE ASK, NOR IS IT LOST.
THAT POLICING REQUIRES SACRIFICE, NEVER ENDING DAYS, SLEEPLESS NIGHTS, MISSED MOMENTS THAT MATTER TIME WITH YOUR KIDS, YOUR PARENTS, AND THE ONES YOU LOVE.
ALL OF THAT SACRIFICE AND SERVICE TO THE MOST ELUSIVE AND NOBLE OF HUMAN AMBITIONS, THE PURSUIT OF PEACE AND JUSTICE, AND PURSUIT OF PEACE.
SO MANY HAVE PAINED AND PURSUIT OF JUSTICE.
LAST WEEK, DBD HELD ITS MEMORIAL SERVICE.
UM, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO ATTEND, AND I'VE INCLUDED A COPY OF THE MEMORIAL PROGRAM IN THE AGENDA PACKET SO THAT EVERY FALLEN DBD OFFICER IS REMEMBERED.
TOMORROW, THE NATION ACTUALLY HONORS THE MEMORY OF ALL OFFICERS WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS SHORT MOMENT TO HONOR THE SACRIFICES OF EVERY PERSON THAT BOLDLY BEARS THE BURDENS OF THE BADGE.
AND IN THIS MOMENT, LET US NOT ONLY REFLECT ON THE HEROES THAT HAVE FALLEN, BUT LET US REJOICE FOR THE ONES THAT SURVIVE.
WE THANK OUR OFFICERS FOR THEIR SACRIFICES.
WE THANK THEIR LOVED ONES FOR THEIR SACRIFICES.
MAY THEY ALL BE BLESSED, AND MAY WE ALL MAKE IT HOME SAFELY EVERY NIGHT.
UH, ON MAY 7TH, THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR, UH, FALLEN OFFICERS.
AND AT THIS TIME, UH, WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, UH, FROM THE BOARD, UH, TO, UH, REMEMBER, UH, THAT SACRIFICE.
LET'S MOVE NOW TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM TWO A.
UH, THIS IS WHERE WE WILL HEAR, UH, TWO REVIEWS THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AT THIS TIME, UH, THE POLICY ANALYST SIERRA OBSU, WHO WILL, AT THIS TIME PRESENT TO THE BOARD A REVIEW ON EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT FILED BY MS. ARLENE PEREZ MARINO.
GOOD AFTERNOON, OR GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I AM THE POLICY ANALYST FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND I WILL BE PRESENTING MS. ARLENE PEREZ MARINO'S CASE FOR REVIEW.
SHE'S ACTUALLY HERE, RIGHT HERE.
SHE CAME LAST BOARD MEETING TO PRESENT AND SPEAK ON HER CASE.
ON AUGUST 15TH, 2022, ARLENE PEREZ MARINO CALLED 9 1 1 BECAUSE SHE FELT THREATENED BY JOSHUA PRING, WHO WORKS AS THE DETECTIVE FOR GRAYSON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
MS. MARINO RECEIVED TEXT MESSAGES, THREATENING TEXT MESSAGES, AND BELIEVED THAT MR. PR WAS AT HER APARTMENT IN HER LOCATION, THREATENING HER WITH A GUN 9 1 1, DISPATCHED DPD TO HER LOCATION IN WHICH THEY BEGAN TO FURTHER ASSESS, UM, HER CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THAT TIME, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET INTO CONTACT WITH DETECTIVE PRING AND HAVE A CONVERSATION IN THAT CONVERSATION.
FOR IN THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE, IT SHOWS SOME COMMENTS THAT REMAIN, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED, UM, IS CLEARED BY THAT BODY CAM FOOTAGE.
UM, AND MS. PEREZ MARINO HER MAIN COMPLAINT.
HER MAIN COMPLAINT IS THAT SHE FELT OFFICERS DID NOT ADEQUATELY INVESTIGATE HER SITUATION, BUT INSTEAD PASSED HER OFF TO THE RIGHT CARE TEAM.
DPDS FINDINGS ARE NO INVESTIGATION DUE TO THE VIOLATION, NO VIOLATION
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OF DEPARTMENTAL RULES OR PROCEDURES BEING FOUND.HOWEVER, IN LIGHT OF O CPO'S REVIEWING THIS FOOTAGE OF THIS INCIDENT, SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE OFFICERS ON THE SCENE SHOULD BE REVISITED.
I WANT, I WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING.
AND, UM, SHE IS HERE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
IS THERE, UH, ANY VIDEO THAT WE CAN SEE AT THIS TIME, UH, THAT YOU MENTIONED? THE, THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE? I DO NOT HAVE FOOTAGE CURRENTLY, UM, BUT SHE DOES, SHE DOES HAVE FOOTAGE THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT.
SHE PRESENTED, UH, BODY CAM FOOTAGE LAST BOARD MEETING.
WE HEARD, WE HEARD THE AUDIO LAST TIME.
I I REMEMBER THAT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, YES.
BUT, UH, AND DID THE OFFICE REVIEW THAT FOOTAGE? YES, I DID.
UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF WE CAN SEE THAT.
I MEAN, WHAT COULD WE, CAN WE SEE THAT VIDEO? UH, SHE JUST HOLDS IT UP OR LISTENS TO IT.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? OH, YES.
UH, WE'LL, I GUESS WE'LL, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN SHOW THAT VIDEO AND THEN, UH, IT MIGHT BE WHERE WE CAN, UH, QUESTION AFTER THAT.
I KNOW I HAD A QUESTION FOR, UM, OH, FOR SIERRA? YEAH.
UM, WHEN YOU READ THAT, DID YOU NOT REQUEST, UH, THE VIDEO FROM, OR AUDIO FROM DPD? NO, WE HAVE THE FOOTAGE.
WE HAVE, WE'VE ALREADY VIEWED THE FOOTAGE.
I JUST DID NOT PRESENT IT AT THIS TIME.
J JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE OF SOME PRIOR HISTORY WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH MR. LANE, UH, IN WHICH, WHEN, IN HIS CASE IT WAS DESIGNATED AS NO INVESTIGATION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAD NOT SEEN THE VIDEO THAT COME, CAME UP.
MY QUESTION TO YOU, DO YOU KNOW IF, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS SEEN OR HEARD THE BODY-WORN CAMERA OR VIDEO THAT YOU ARE REFERENCING? YES, I BELIEVE.
MR. MAPLES, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GO YOU, MR. WILLIAMS OR YOU, BUT IS THERE ANY KINDA WAY WE CAN PULL THAT VIDEO UP SINCE IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE LINGERING SOMEWHERE, YOUR OFFICE HAS IT? IS THERE ANY KINDA WAY WE CAN SEE IT? 'CAUSE IT, LIKE, LIKE WAS JUST MENTIONED WITH THAT LANE CASE.
I, I WANNA SEE THE VIDEO IF INTERNAL AFFAIRS SAW IT.
SO IS THERE ANY KINDA WAY WE CAN SEE IT? I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PRODUCE IT RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TABLE THE REVIEW, UM, I CAN MAKE THAT AVAILABLE FOR YOU IN THE MORNING.
BUT SHE'S HERE NOW, AND SHE'S HERE LAST MORNING.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON WHO YOU ALL KNOW, JAMES JAMES'S LAST DAY WAS LAST FRIDAY.
AND SO, UH, HE'S THE PERSON THAT HAS THE DIRECT ACCESS TO THAT, THAT PART OF THE DATABASE.
BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH IAD PRO.
I CAN GET IT FOR YOU TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE I, I CAN GO LITERALLY OVER THE DPD AND GET A COPY OF IT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY ANYMORE TO PULL UP ANY OF THE VIRTUAL COPIES OF THINGS DIRECTLY FROM OUR OFFICE.
WE HAVE TO, UNTIL THEY PUT US THROUGH THE TRAINING, WE HAVE TO LITERALLY GO OVER THE DPD AND GET A PHYSICAL COPY.
I'M HAPPY TO GET IT PREPARED FOR YOU, AND I'LL HAVE IT FOR YOU TOMORROW MORNING.
I FIND IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF INCONVENIENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE IN THE OFFICE HAS THE ABILITY TO RECOVER THE VIDEO, BUT I JUST FEEL IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR, UM, MS. PEREZ MARINO AND, AND FOR US.
WE'RE ALL HERE, YET, WE DON'T HAVE THE MATERIALS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO ASK SIERRA, DOES SHE HAVE A COPY ON HER AND ARE WE ALLOWED TO VIEW THAT IF SHE HAS IT? I HAVE A, SHE HAS A USB.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? WE COULD PUT IT IN ONE.
LEMME CONSULT WITH THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY
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I, THE VIDEO AND I WAS NO, I WAS ASKED TO SHOW THE VIDEO AND I WAS TOLD NO, NOT TO.I JUST HAVE ONE CAVEAT MAYBE IN THIS, YES.
OUR ATTORNEY'S GONNA, UH, MAYBE ANSWER THAT THIS MAY BE A TIME FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BECAUSE ONLY THING IS THAT VIDEO HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED FOR REDACTION.
IN CASE SOMETHING WE SHOULDN'T HEAR OR SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE PUBLIC.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY REVIEW IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES.
APPARENTLY WE DO HAVE THE VIDEO ON USB.
SO OUR OFFICE HAS THE VIDEO ON USB.
YEAH, APPARENTLY WE HAVE IT ON USB AVAILABLE.
WHAT WE COULD DO AT THIS TIME GO, IF YOU HAVE THE USB, IF WE COULD GIVE IT TO THE IT AND, UH, LET'S, UH, LET'S SUSPEND THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME.
LET'S, UH, COME BACK TO THIS ITEM.
WE'LL TABLE IT JUST UNTIL WE REVIEW THIS NEXT CASE.
UH, WE JUST HAVE ONE MORE ONE, UH, ACTION ITEM THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK.
UH, KEVIN WILLIAMS WILL BE GIVEN THAT, AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE TIME TO GET THE VIDEO UPLOADED AND WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK, UH, TO YOU WHENEVER IT'S THERE.
BOARD, ARE WE OKAY WITH THIS? OKAY.
I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE CAN RETRIEVE THE VIDEO.
WE WILL, UH, TABLE THAT UNTIL THE USB VIDEO IS ACCESSIBLE.
UM, AND LET'S MOVE ON AT THIS TIME TO AGENDA ITEM TWO B2B AND THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALIST, UH, KEVIN WILLIAMS, AND HE WILL BE GIVING THE REVIEW EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT FILED BY STEVE ROGERS, THE CHIEF OF THE RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, I BRING FORTH TO YOU MR. MR. STEVEN ROGERS, UM, COMPLAINT FOR REVIEW.
UM, AFTER I, UM, BRING THE SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT AND, AND READ, UM, I'S ETERNAL INVESTIGATIVE SUMMARY, THEN I'LL SEND IT BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR YOUR VOTE ON, UM, WHETHER OR NOT SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION OR NOT.
UM, THE COMPLAINANT, STEVEN ROGERS, UM, I, I BELIEVE ERIC, MR. ROGERS MIGHT BE ON RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE INVITED HIM OUT TO THE MEETING, THE SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT.
SO ON JULY 6TH, 2023, SERGEANT GRAY OF THE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS DIVISION SENT A, A PRIVATE EMAIL TO MR. RONNIE WALKER OF THE CITY OF RUSTIN, LOUISIANA.
THE LETTER ABOUT SERGEANT GRAY'S COMPLAINT INVOLVING RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT ON HOW THEY WERE HANDLING A SHOOTING INVESTIGATION INVOLVING SERGEANT GRAY'S JUVENILE NEPHEW.
MAYOR WALKER, BELIEVED THAT THE CONTENT OF SERGEANT GRAY'S LETTER CONSISTED UNSUPPORTIVE AND BASELESS RACIAL ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF OF POLICE, MR. STEFAN ROGERS BELIEVES SERGEANT GRAY'S COMPLAINT FILED WITH THE CITY OF OF RUSTIN WAS FAKE AND MALICIOUS BOARD MEMBERS HAVE RECEIVED, UM, THE INITIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS CASE.
AND I'LL READ, UM, DPDS INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, INVESTIGATION SUMMARY ON JUNE 28TH, A FORMAL REVIEW WAS CONDUCTED WITH SERGEANT J GRAY AT THE RUSTIN POLICE BUILDING.
THE REC THE RECORDED INTERVIEW SHOWED SERGEANT GRAY CONDUCTED HIMSELF RESPECTFULLY WHEN COOPERATING WITH INVESTIGATORS.
SUBSEQUENTLY, ON JULY 6TH, 2023, SERGEANT GRAY FILED A LETTER COMPLAINT AGAINST THE RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT ADDRESSING ADDRESSED TO MAYOR WALKER AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, A NATIVE OF RUSTIN, LOUISIANA, AND A
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FAMILY MEMBER OF THE VICTIM.SERGEANT GRAY EXPRESSED HER PERSONAL CONCERNS WITH THE RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROCEDURE AND CITIZEN'S INTERACTION, ALL EVIDENCE COLLECTED DOCUMENTS.
SERGEANT GRAY DID NOT USE HER POSITION OR RANK IN THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO INFLUENCE THE INVESTIGATION OF HER JUVENILE NEPHEWS CASE BASED ON TESTIMONIAL DOCUMENTARY AND VIDEO EVIDENCE COLLECTED DURING THIS COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION.
THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT ANY DEPARTMENTAL POLICY OR VIOLATION DURING THIS INCIDENT.
THEREFORE, THE ADMINISTRATION INQUIRY HAS CLASSIFIED AS COMPLETE IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE ALL SIDES OF THE CASE WERE PRESENTED FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW.
OCPO REACHED OUT TO OFFICER GRAY TO GET HER SIDE OF THE STORY AND POTENTIALLY SPEAK AT THE BOARD MEETING.
OFFICER GRAY RESPECTFULLY DECLINED TO PARTICIPATE.
I WILL BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR YOUR VOTE.
SO IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR BOARD BOARD PACKET, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, THE COMPLAINT THAT WAS FILED TO, UH, DPD, THE RESPONSE FROM IAD.
WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, ACTUAL LETTER, UH, THAT WAS SENT, UH, TO THE RUSTIN, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THIS TIME, UH, TO BE CORRECT.
YEAH, LOOK, UH, AS CLOSE TO THE THIRD TAB AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF PAPERS.
SO MR. CHAIR IS, IS, UM, UM, THE OFFICER, THE MAYOR, OR WHO, WHOEVER'S BRINGING THE COMPLAINT, ARE THEY AVAILABLE FOR QUESTION? HEY, KEVIN, ARE IS THE OFFICER, OR IS, IS THE, UH, THE OFFICER, THE DALLAS POLICE OFFICER OR, UH, THE CHIEF OF, UH, POLICE AT RUSTON? ARE THEY EITHER OF THEM? ARE THEY ONLINE FOR QUESTIONS? I DID NOT SEE, UM, SERGEANT GRAY ONLINE, BUT I DID SEE A, A, A STEP IN ONLINE AND, UM, SEE IF ERIC CAN PLUG THAT PERSON IN.
UH, JUST IN CASE THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS, UH, WE INVITED THE CHIEF TO SPEAK.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE GONNA VOTE, UH, HERE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, KEVIN WILLIAMS CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR OF THE, UH, OF THE DOCUMENT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND WE ALSO, UH, WILL HAVE, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO MADE THE COMPLAINT AS WELL.
BUT, UH, TAKE A MOMENT TO READ THAT'S IN THE PACKET.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP AT THIS TIME FOR ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
UH, AND, UH, IS, IS THE INDIVIDUAL ONLINE NOW, KEVIN, JUST IN CASE ERIC IS ERIC, IS MR. STEVEN ONLINE? CAPTAIN
UH, THIS MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, THIS IS ERIC.
UH, I JUST SENT A PRIVATE MESSAGE TO, UH, STEVEN THAT IS IN THIS ROOM.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS STEVE ROGERS OR NOT.
I JUST, UH, ASKED TO MAKE SURE IT'S HIM.
AND IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, HE WILL LET ME KNOW.
AND, UH, AT THIS TIME, YES, SURE.
UH, THE, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DAVID KITNER WITH ANY QUESTIONS HE MAY HAVE.
UM, MR. WILLIAMS, I, I READ THE CORRESPONDENCE HERE.
AND, UH, I MAY NOT HAVE SEEN EVERYTHING, BUT I ONLY SAW ONE REFERENCE FROM THIS, THE, UH, DPD OFFICER WHERE SHE REFERENCED THAT SHE WAS A POLICE OFFICER, I THINK FOR 25 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ARE YOU AWARE IN HERE OR IN ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE SHE REFERENCED OR SAID SHE WAS A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? NO, SIR.
AS FAR AS I'M, UM, READING HERE, UM, SHE'S, SHE'S INTRODUCED HERSELF AS A CITIZEN.
WELL, I, I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT ONE REFERENCE WHERE SHE SAID WHO SHE WAS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO USE HER POSITION.
AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING I WAS MISSING.
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES JONATHAN MAPLES.
SO, I, I'M, I'M, UH, SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS VIDEO THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SAYS IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT THERE WAS A VIDEO WAS RE REVIEWED.
YOU SEE THAT IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH? SO IF THAT'S, IF
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THAT VIDEO, IF THERE'S A VIDEO THAT WAS REVIEWED IN RUSTIN, WE CAN'T GET THAT FROM RUSTIN TO REVIEW IT.RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF HANDCUFFED.
IT'S KIND OF A HE SAY, SHE SAY, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE VIDEO, WE CAN'T SEE A VIDEO IF THERE'S VIDEO, THAT'S YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TOO.
AND, AND, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE TOO, 'CAUSE THE, THE COMPLAINT IS, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE INCIDENT IN RUSTIN, IT'S ABOUT THE OFFICER'S EMAIL TO THE RUSTIN'S POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO IT MIGHT BE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT'S EVEN WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE.
UH, MR. MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN, IF, IF I CAN CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU, THE VIDEO HAS TO DEAL WITH A PENDING CASE IN RUSTIN INVOLVING A JUVENILE.
SO EV EVEN IF WE HAD THE VIDEO, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO SHOW THE VIDEO WHEN THE ALLEGATION IS ABOUT AN EMAIL.
THAT WAS SENT BY THE DPD OFFICER OKAY.
REGARDING THAT UNDERLYING CASE.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE ALLEGATION BEING MADE AGAINST THIS DPD OFFICER IS THAT HER CONDUCT IN SENDING THIS EMAIL MADE ERRONEOUS AND MALICIOUS ALLEGATIONS THAT AGAINST THE RUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE COMPLAINANT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE RACIALLY BASED ALLEGATIONS AS TO HOW THEY TR HANDLED THAT CASE.
THAT UNDERLYING CASE, MR. CHAIR AND DPD FOUND THAT DPD FOUND WHEN THEY DID THEIR FULL INVESTIGATION, THAT SHE SENT A PRIVATE EMAIL AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO EXPRESS HER BELIEF OF HER TREATMENT OF HER NEPHEW.
THE, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
I, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS, IN MY OPINION, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE AFFIRM THE FINDINGS OF DPD, THAT THERE WAS NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT EIGHT, I SECOND.
YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO DO WHETHER WE HAVE A MOTION TO, FOR AN INVESTIGATION, UH, AND THEN, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT MOTION IT, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE A SECOND.
UH, BUT, BUT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MOVE, HAVE A MOVE, MOVE FOR THAT AT THIS TIME.
WE CAN'T MOVE FOR NO INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST WHERE THERE'S A CALL FOR A MOTION TO DO ANOTHER INVESTIGATION, AND IF NOBODY MAKES THE MOTION, IT'S OVER.
HOWEVER YOU WANT DO IT, THEN I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND.
UH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TOO? UH, UH, BRENDA FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO THE POLICE CHIEF'S ONLY COMPLAINT HAS TO DO WITH HER EMAIL? YES.
HIS COMPLAINT IS THE EMAIL THAT SHE SENT TO THE MAYOR.
MAKES ALLEGATIONS ABOUT HIS DEPARTMENT.
AND HE'S COMPLAINING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD BECAUSE SHE HAPPENS TO WORK FOR THE, THE CITY OF DALLAS.
HE'S ASKING, HE'S ASKING FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW IDS, FINDING THAT SHE DIDN'T VIOLATE ANY, THAT SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING OF MISCONDUCT.
IN, IN, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A PRIVATE MATTER AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THIS BOARD TO LAUNCH AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE? I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME.
IS THERE ANY MOTION, UH, FROM THIS BOARD TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE? THE BOARD HAS SPOKEN.
THERE WILL NOT BE AN INVESTIGATION.
UH, WE CAN NOW MOVE ON, UH, TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
DO, DO WE HAVE THE USB VIDEO, UH, ACCESSIBLE? YES.
SO THERE WILL BE A TWO MINUTE ONE.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS AN OPTION TO VIEW THE 13 MINUTE ONE.
SO WE'RE NOW HEADING BACK, UH, ON THE AGENDA TO ITEM TWO A.
UH, WE'RE CONTINUING ON, UH, THIS REVIEW, UH, ON THE COMPLAINT FILED BY ARLENE PEREZ MARINO.
AND, UH, WE NOW HAVE THE VIDEO AND CAN WE PLAY IT AT THIS TIME? YES.
ERIC, GO AHEAD AND SHARE YOUR SCREEN.
YEAH, GIMME ONE SECOND TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT UP HERE FOR YOU.
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SO IS THERE ANY AUDIO TO THIS VIDEO? YES.ERIC, IS IT NOT PLAYING THE AUDIO? NO.
UM, LET ME TRY TO GET THAT TO PLAY.
WOULD YOU MIND PROVIDING THE BOARD SOME CONTEXT ON WHAT THIS VIDEO, IS THIS A BODY CAM FOOTAGE? IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
SO ACTUALLY THIS IS, UM, WHERE I, WHERE SHE SAID THAT DETECTIVE PRANG IS ON THE PHONE WITH ONE OF THE DPD OFFICERS AND THEY'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION.
THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
AND SO YOU WILL SEE THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, UH, FROM YOU, UH, WHY DON'T YOU COME DOWN TO, UH, THE MICROPHONE EITHER BEHIND YOU THERE.
SO THE VIDEO IS ACTUALLY LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF LONG.
SO I CUT IT INTO LITTLE PIECES, BUT THIS IS WHERE THE DETECTIVE FROM GRAYSON COUNTY TEXTS ME.
I HAVE THE TEXT MESSAGES THAT, UM, THAT I AM THE REASON WHY WE HAVE S**T COPS.
AND, AND, UM, I'VE MADE HIM SO MAD HE'S GONNA HAVE TO, AND HE QUITS THERE WHEN THE OFFICER FROM DALLAS CALLS, HE SAYS, UM, OFFICER PRANG GOES, WHAT RELATIONSHIP DO YOU HAVE WITH MS. PEREZ? AND HE SAYS, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HE GOES, I HATE THAT B***H.
SHE'S A F*****G ASS PSYCHO ASS B***H.
AND THEN THE OFFICER GOES, WELL, ME, ME.
YOU GUYS ARE STUPID FOR TRYING TO, EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN HE GOES, SHE'S F*****G CRAZY.
AND THE DALLAS COP SAYS, MM-HMM,
AND THEN, AND I WAS IN ONE ROOM AND THEY WERE IN MY, IN THE BEDROOM TALKING.
AND THEN, UM, HE, THE DETECTIVE FROM DALLAS DOES, FROM DALLAS SAYS, I THINK SHE HAS SOMETHING GOING ON.
UM, SO WHEN IT ALL, HE GOES, WHERE DO YOU WORK? HE GOES, IT'S NOT A F*****G BUSINESS.
THAT'S WHAT THE DETECTIVE SAYS.
HE COMES OUTTA THE BEDROOM AND HE TELLS ME HE'S A F*****G ASS FAKE COP.
HE GOES, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HE, HE CAME TO MY HOUSE AND HE PICKED UP THE EVIDENCE.
HE GOES, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
JUST PUT HIM ON, PUT HIM ON, UM, ON BLOCK.
DON'T, DON'T TALK TO HIM ANYMORE.
I'M LIKE, AND THEN THE OTHER DALLAS COP SAYS, THEY'RE HANGING AROUND WITH THE SUSPECTS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETENDING TO BE DETECTIVES JUST TO GET TO YOU.
AND, UM, THEY CALL THE HOSPITAL ON ME.
THEY CALL THE, UM, UM, PARKLAND UNIT FOR PSYCH.
THEY JUST SAY SHE'S, SHE'S OUT THERE.
SHE HAS, SHE, SHE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO WHEN THEY WALKED IN, THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE.
THE REPORT THAT THEY MADE SAYS THIS, IT'S OKAY.
I COULDN'T GET A PROTECTIVE ORDER ON THIS DETECTIVE BECAUSE OF ALL THAT.
I'M GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM THE DETECTIVE SAYING, IF I DON'T DROP THE CASE, THE CHARGES, HE'S GONNA, DON'T MAKE ME HIM HAVE TO KILL ME.
I CAN'T GET THE COPS TO HELP ME.
AND I HAVE IT ON RECORDING ALL OF IT.
UH, AND AGAIN, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL YOU'RE HERE TO, TO SHARE THIS.
AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN EAGERLY WAITING, UH, TO HEAR THIS, TO SEE THIS VIDEO.
AND THE OFFICER WHO WAS USING THAT, THE LANGUAGE, WAS THAT THE POLICE DALLAS POLICE OFFICER? YES, SIR.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? IT WAS, UH, THE DETECTIVE THAT WAS USING THAT LANGUAGE? IT WAS BOTH, BOTH.
IT WAS THE DETECTIVE FROM GRAYSON AND THE DALLAS.
UH, WELL WE HAVE THE VIDEO NOW.
YEAH, OFFICER, I'M SORRY, WE GOT DISCONNECTED.
WELL, HOW ARE YOU RELATED TO MS. PEREZ? MS. PEREZ IS A CRAZY F*****G STUPID PSYCHO ASS F*****G WITNESS.
WHAT, WHAT DID SHE SAY? NO, SHE, SHE SAID THAT THE TEXT MESSAGES THAT YOU ARE GETTING FROM YOU, SHE'S GETTING FROM YOU IS CONCERNING HER AND SHE'S SCARED.
SO SHE CALLED 9 1 1 AND SHE MADE US GO THROUGH THE TEXT MESSAGES.
UH, THE, I DID AND I, AND WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO HER THAT NOT NOTHING IN THAT TEXT MESSAGE IS THREATENING IN ANY WAY OR FORM OF SHAPE.
I CALLED, WHY THE F**K ARE YOU CALLING? WHO? ME? YES.
NO, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I JUST TRYING, I THINK SHE'S GOING THROUGH SOME SORT OF REQUEST AND SHE'S SAYING THAT I PRAY NOTHING.
SHE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SHE JUST SAID THAT SHE'S NERVOUS ABOUT YOU AND THAT YOU WERE GONNA COME OVER AND THEN I WAS GONNA COME OVER.
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OVER? I HATE THAT B***H.I'M, I'M NOT HERE TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP HER AND SEE IF WE CAN JUST SORT OUT THE SITUATION.
I'M NOT, I DIDN'T CALL YOU TO, TO HEAR YOU SAY B***H AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WHY? I'M, I'M ACTUALLY HANGING, I'M HEAD TOMORROW AND I'M NOT GONNA BE A COP ANYMORE BECAUSE I'M SEEING THESE F*****G PEOPLE LIKE HER.
SHE CLAIMS THAT SHE SAYS YOU ARE A COP INVESTIGATING A CASE.
SO SHE, I DO, I CAN, AND I SAID, I JUST GOT LIKE THIS CASE, LIKE 200 ON.
SIR, SIR, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST YOU.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SORT OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I'M JUST SIMPLY ASKING FOR YOUR HELP.
THERE ARE OTHER, THERE'S THREE OFFICERS THAT ARE TALKING TO RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, WELL, IT SEEMS THAT WAY.
BUT WHAT AGENCY ARE YOU WITH? KEEP TALKING, KEEP TALKING TO HER.
WHAT AGENCY ARE YOU WITH? YOUR F*****G BUSINESS.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, THAT, SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE PART OF IT.
I'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
UH, DO, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT CAN BE DIRECTED TOWARDS, UH, SIERRA OR MS. PEREZ? YES, DAVID KITNER.
FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN THE TEXT MESSAGES.
UM, THE POLICE OFFICER CHARACTERIZED THEM AS NON-THREATENING, BUT WHAT WERE THEY SAYING? AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS
IS HE IN FACT A POLICE OFFICER OR WAS HE SOME SORT OF FAKE GUY? 'CAUSE I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THIS WAS A TRUE INVESTIGATION, WHETHER YOU LIKED IT OR NOT.
BUT WAS HE TRULY A POLICE OFFICER IN GRAYSON COUNTY? YES, SIR.
SO LAST TIME I CAME I BROUGHT THE TEXT MESSAGES, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER ONE IF YOU WANT 'EM.
SO AFTER THIS, AND, AND WHEN THEY CAME AND TOLD ME THAT HE WAS S**T ASS COP, YOU'LL SEE THAT I, I MAKE THEM CALL GRAYSON.
SO THEY CALLED GRAYSON COUNTY TO TALK TO THE SHERIFFS AND THEY CONFIRM, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE VIDEO, THAT HE IS, IN FACT A COP.
HE ENDED UP QUITTING AND HE ENDED UP STEALING THE EVIDENCE.
UM, AND HE TOLD THE COPS THESE, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE VIDEO, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN HOUR LONG.
AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, IS THIS BODY-WORN CAMERA FROM THE POLICE OFFICER OR YOUR VIDEO BODY CAM FROM THE POLICE OFFICERS.
SO, UM, I, I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK A HARD QUESTION.
SO APPARENTLY HE'S INVESTIGATING A CASE FOR YOU IF HE'S A DETECTIVE.