[Community Police Oversight Board on May 14, 2024.]
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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
AND AT THIS TIME, WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE BOARD.
AND SO WE WILL GET THIS MEETING STARTED.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME FOR THIS MEETING ON MAY THE 14TH IS 5:44 PM 5:44 PM AND THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST, THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES, OUR CONDUCTED FAIR, IMPARTIAL, THOROUGH, AND TRANSPARENT THE BOARD'S.
CAN YOU HEAR ANYBODY SPEAKING RIGHT NOW? UH, SORRY, KEVIN, DID YOU, UH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, WE DON'T HEAR ANYBODY.
C THE BOARD SEEKS TO ENSURE THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, EACH OF US, UH, THERE'S 14 DISTRICTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S BEEN VOTED IN, UH, HANDPICKED EACH OF THE MEMBERS THAT ARE SITTING AROUND, UH, THIS HORSESHOE.
AND I REPRESENT, UH, THE MAYOR OF DALLAS, ERIC JOHNSON.
AND WE ARE HERE, UH, TO SERVE THE PEOPLE AND THEIR INTERESTS AND TO, UH, PROVIDE ACCESSIBLE ACCESS FOR THEM, UH, TO HAVE A, A COMPLETE FILED.
AND AT THIS TIME, AS WE DO, UH, EVERY MEETING, WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND, UH, PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED UP TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISCRETION, UH, BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, BUT THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED FROM ONE CHAIRMAN.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR YOU, YOU CALL HIM AND JUST, UH, TELL HIM WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY ON, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? CAN, YES, SIR.
DID I START OVER OR
I'D LIKE TO, UH, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF THE BOARD, AND SO WE CAN GET THIS MEETING STARTED.
THE OFFICIAL START TIME IS 5:47 PM 5:47 PM AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR, IMPARTIAL, THOROUGH, AND ARE TRANSPARENT.
THE BOARD SEEKS TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
AND AS WE DO EACH MEETING, WE ARE NOW GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
UH, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISCRETION GIVEN BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED.
UH, PLEASE, AS YOU ARE GIVING YOUR COMMENT, UH, ADDRESS, UH, ME AS THE CHAIR, UH, BUT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WILL BE LISTENING, UH, TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY, UH, TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK AT THE START OF THIS MEETING, PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF THIS, THE, UH, OVERSIGHT BOARD, STAFF, AND, UH, THE OVERSIGHT POLICE OVERSIGHT OFFICE STAFF.
AND THEY'LL BE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM FOR SPEAKER CARDS.
BUT AT THIS TIME, WE DO HAVE SEVEN SPEAKERS, UH, AT THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WE'LL BE GIVING, UH, THREE MINUTES, UH, PER PERSON.
UH, I'D LIKE TO GIVE, UH, THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME TO DOLORES PHILLIPS.
DOLORES PHILLIPS, WELCOME, UH, TO THE MEETING.
AND, UH, AS SOON AS YOU BEGIN SPEAKING, THE TIMER WILL BEGIN.
I'M A HORACE, SO I'M A, I I PRAY Y'ALL CAN UNDERSTAND ME.
I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM FEDERAL BUREAU OF
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INVESTIGATION.THEY SAID THEY ARE PROCESSING MY OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.
I REQUESTED FOR THEM TO GIVE ME EACH TIME THAT I'VE BEEN THERE, TO ASK THEM TO ASSIST ME IN CLEARING MY NAME FROM THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT TO 7 3 2 9 1 DASH A.
YOU RECEIVED HANDOUTS VIA EMAIL.
I DIDN'T GIVE YOU PHYSICAL HANDOUTS BECAUSE THEY'LL BE PRESENTED IN THE MORNING BEFORE THE MAYOR.
IT SAYS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, IT SAYS, THIS IS THE FIRST CALL ON THE CD AND THE ONLY CALL THAT WAS WRITTEN BY A POLICE OFFICER IN THE OPEN RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
IT WAS A EIGHT 17 CALL, 8 33 CALL, AND A 8 55 CALL.
THE EIGHT THIRTY THREE CALL THAT WAS RELEASED WAS THE ONLY CALL THEY KEPT SAYING THAT I DIDN'T MAKE THOSE CALLS.
WHEN THEY RELEASED THE 8:33 PM CALL, IT WAS REALLY THE EIGHT 17 CALL THAT THEY SAID WAS NEVER MADE.
WHAT THEY DID WAS LOOP THE EIGHT 17 CALL TWICE TO MAKE IT THE THREE TO MAKE IT SEEM MISS, THOUGH IT WAS THE THREE MINUTE CALL FROM 8:33 PM STAY WITH ME BECAUSE THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION IS GOING TO GIVE ME WHAT THEY CAN FIND THAT'S BEEN REPORTED OF ANY ARRESTS THAT WERE MADE ON FOR ME.
I'M GOING TO SEND THEM FINGERPRINTS ON TOMORROW.
STAY WITH ME ON THE INCIDENT DETAIL REPORT FOR OCTOBER 25TH, 2013.
THIS WAS A PREARRANGED MEETING BY MAYOR ROLLINS.
SPEAKING OF THE CALLS THAT THEY SAID THAT WAS NEVER MADE, THAT WAS ERASED WITHIN A WEEK.
THIS FABRICATED POLICE REPORT CONTINUED TO BE REFERENCED UNLAWFULLY AND UNJUSTLY SCHOOLS.
UTA UT DENTON STAY WITH ME, WITH ME, WITH MY FATHER, AND NOW MY MOTHER STAY WITH ME ON THE INCIDENT DETAIL REPORT ON THE FIRST PAGE FOR OCTOBER 25TH, 2013, DPD REPORT, 0 2 7 3 2 9 1.
THE, THE DISPATCHER REPORTED THAT THE REQUESTED CASE NUMBER BY THE OFFICER WAS 0 2 7 3 2 9 1.
I WENT DOWNSTAIRS NOVEMBER, 2013, LESS THAN A MONTH AFTER I WAS UNLAWFULLY IN PRISON, AND ASKED HER WHY WOULD SHE TAKE THOSE TYPE OF NOTES.
SHE SAID IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT SHE TAKE THOSE NOTES BECAUSE THAT NUMBER WAS REQUESTED BY THE OFFICER, AND THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
SHE SAID, THE OFFICERS USUALLY CALL US AND WE GIVE THEM A NUMBER.
SHE SAID THIS OFFICER HAD HIS OWN NUMBER AND SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO USE IT, AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
SHE SAID WE HAD TO MAKE THOSE NOTES BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT WOULD TRIGGER A AUDIT BY DATE IF SOMEONE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER AND IT WASN'T IN SEQUENCE WITH THE OTHER NUMBERS.
I'M WHORES TODAY, BUT I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO TALK.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THESE RECORDS WHEN FBI SEND THEM BACK TO ME.
AND YES, WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE RECEIVED THOSE DOCUMENTS, AND, UH, SO THEY'RE OUR POSSESSION.
SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND, UH, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.
I BELIEVE THE NEXT, UH, SIX, UH, SPEAKERS FOR CUP OF COMMENT, UH, ARE GONNA BE SPEAKING IN REGARD TO AGENDA ITEM TWO B REGARDING, UH, SERGEANT, UH, KORA, UH, GRAY SERGEANT GRAY.
AND, UH, SO FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, TO, JUST SO YOU HAVE AN AWARENESS OF WHAT, UH, SERGEANT GRAY, UH, WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE CASE A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UH, BUT THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, UH, ABOUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO I'D LIKE TO CALL TO THE STAND, UH, PAULA BROWN TO THE, TO THE PODIUM.
AND, UH, KEVIN, IF I MENTION ANYONE'S NAME THAT'S ONLINE, PLEASE, UH, LET ME KNOW.
HOW ABOUT DIANA JACKSON? OH, YES, KEVIN, WE HAVE, UM, NO ONE ONLINE RIGHT NOW TO SPEAK.
WHO'S, UH, WHO'S ONLINE? NO ONE.
WE HAVE NO ONE ONLINE, SIR DIANA JACKSON.
AND, UH, THE LAST NAME I HAVE HERE IS, UH, TA SNEED.
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THERE WILL BE, UH, A, A TIME AT THE END OF THE MEETING TOO FOR A PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENTS.SO IF YOU DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND WOULD STILL LIKE, UH, YOUR THREE MINUTES, UH, BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, NO.
WE HAD THE END OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU CAN, UH, SPEAK AT THE PODIUM FOR THREE MINUTES AND NO SIGNUP IS REQUIRED.
WE'LL, UH, ASK FOR ANYONE AT THAT TIME TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, LET'S BEGIN AT THIS TIME BY TAKING A, UH, ROLE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, PRESENT.
AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS GO, UH, DISTRICT BY DISTRICT FROM STARTING FROM DISTRICT ONE, AND, UH, DISTRICT ONE, OZZIE SMITH.
BRIAN BALL PRESENT? DISTRICT SIX.
JOSE REVIS, DISTRICT SEVEN, PRESENT.
JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, UH, PRESENT AT THIS TIME, TAKE A A FEW MINUTES TO LOOK OVER THE, THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING, AND WHEN A BOARD MEMBER FEELS APPROPRIATE, I CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, AND THERE'LL BE, UH, A NEED IN NEED OF A SECOND.
AND THEN WE'LL VOTE, UH, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.
DISTRICT FOUR, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
THE MOTION THERE HAS BEEN A, A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
AT THIS TIME, I'D ALSO LIKE TO CALL, UH, FOR A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES SO THAT WE COULD ADJUST SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, UH, TO MOVE THEM EARLIER IN THE MEETING.
DO, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION? YES.
JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, MOVE TO SUSPEND THE CPLB RULES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE CITY ATTORNEY THE TIME NECESSARY TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
OKAY, PERFECT FOR THE MINUTES.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
WE, UH, WANNA THANK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR BEING HERE, UH, AT THIS MEETING TODAY.
THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US ON CHAPTER EIGHT.
AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR GRACIOUSNESS LAST MEETING, THEY STAYED THE WHOLE TIME AND WE RAN OUTTA TIME.
AND SO, UH, THEY AGREED TO COME BACK AND AS A TOKEN OF GRATITUDE, WANTED TO, UH, GIVE THEM, UH, FIRST THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY.
AND I DO BELIEVE, UH, SPECIAL PROPS TOO.
IT'S YOUR DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY TODAY, RIGHT? BERT? WORKING HARD ON HIS DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME, UH, TO SHARE, UH, ABOUT CHAPTER EIGHT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
BERT VANDENBERG, UH, I'M AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HERE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS ON THE SCREEN AND THAT YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE THAT IS IN MY WASTE.
THIS IS GONNA MAKE THIS A CHALLENGE.
UM, I'M GONNA COVER CHAPTER EIGHT, YOUR MICROPHONE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU GOTTA GET ME CLOSE.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, UM, I'M GONNA BE COVERING CHAPTER EIGHT.
CHAPTER EIGHT, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND THE DALLAS CITY CODE REALLY PROVIDES, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF YOUR BYLAWS.
UM, YOU GUYS ARE COVERED IN THE POLICE CHAPTER, BUT, AND IN CHAPTER TWO, BUT CHAPTER EIGHT SORT OF PROVIDES THE BYLAWS FOR MOST OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY.
ONE THING I NOTICED IS THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED YOUR OWN RULES OF PROCEDURE.
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BUT IF YOU'LL LOOK AT YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, MOST OF 'EM AT THE END, SAY, IN A LITTLE BRACKET, SAYS LIKE EIGHT DASH 14, BECAUSE THE RULES YOU ADOPTED ARE PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT OUT OF CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE VERY EXCITING.
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, JUICE IT UP ANY, SO HERE WE GO.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT A BOARD MEANS A BORDER COMMISSION IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT'S CREATED BY AN ORDINANCE, OR THE CHARTER CHAIR IS THE CHAIR, UM, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS THE CHAIR.
AND ALL COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED AT THE CHAIR WHENEVER THE MEETING IS GOING ON.
AND THAT'S BY BOTH PUBLIC SPEAKERS AND THE OTHER BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION.
IT'S ANY INFORMATION YOU RECEIVE THAT CAN'T BE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC.
GENERALLY THAT HAPPENS IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, IN YOUR CASE, IT'D MOSTLY BE WITH, UH, ATTORNEYS.
UM, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE, UH, CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT HAS TO DO WITH REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, HAS TO DO WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEALS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF PERSONNEL, AND I, I SUPPOSE YOU GUYS COULD ALSO HAVE PERSONNEL, UH, MATTERS AS WELL.
CONSIDERATION IS THE ACTION BY WHICH YOU CON YOU DISPOSE OF A MOTION THAT'S IMPORTANT, UH, FOR THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT CHANGED SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND SAID THAT YOU MUST ALLOW PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON ANYTHING YOU'RE CONSIDERING.
UM, WE LOOKED UP CONSIDERING, UH, IN, IN BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY, ACTUALLY, AND FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY AN ACTION TAKEN TO DISPOSE OF A MOTION.
SO EVERY YEAR, UH, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, EVERY BOARD COMMISSION IN THE CITY HAS TO DO A REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU ARE ALL APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, AND YOU MUST ALL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD BE FIBBING A LITTLE IF I SAID EVERYONE GOT EVERY REPORT IN ON TIME.
THERE'S USUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY BECAUSE SOME MEETINGS ARE EVERY MONTH, EVERY OTHER MONTH.
UM, BUT EVERY, EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSION IN THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE A, A, UH, REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL.
I BELIEVE YOUR ACTUAL RULES SAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE OTHER REPORTS AS WELL.
THE RULES OF ORDER FOR YOU GUYS, OTHER THAN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, YOU ADOPTED EVERYTHING DEFAULTS TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
UM, THERE'S I, UH, NO SHAME IN MY GAME.
I HAVE ROBERT'S RULES FOR IDIOTS.
I HAVE THE DUMMIES GUIDE TO ROBERT'S RULES.
I HAVE THE LITTLE ABRIDGED ROBERT'S RULES.
BUT THE BEST THING YOU CAN HAVE, IF YOU WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW A MEETING WORKS, IS THE ACTUAL ROBERT'S RULES.
I, UM, THE PUBLIC CHARACTER OF MEETINGS AND ACTIONS.
I THINK THAT MR. CHAIR SUMMED IT UP PRETTY WELL IN THE BEGINNING WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE, THE PUBLIC HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
THAT IS THE, UH, THE NATURE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND YOU GUYS ARE SUBJECT TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING POSTED AT LEAST THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE.
THE AGENDA HAS TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COME SEE.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE TO SHOW THE ACTUAL PRESENTATIONS, BUT AS LONG AS THE AGENDA SAYS THIS IS THE TOPIC, AND IT PROVIDES ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC TO, TO, TO, TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IT AND COME SEE, THEN YOU HAVE MET, UH, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE HAVE TO SAY WHY YOU'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND UNDER WHAT CHAPTER, WHAT EXCEPTION OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
YOU'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE YOU GO IN AND WHEN YOU COME OUT.
AND THERE ARE VERY LIMITED EXCEPTIONS TO THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF, A LOT OF BODIES WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN TO HAVE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS IN EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE YOU THAT.
ALL IT DOES IS GIVE YOU TO GO INTO, TALK TO YOUR ATTORNEY ABOUT CERTAIN MATTERS OR PERSONNEL MATTERS OR REAL ESTATE MATTERS.
THIS IS KIND OF A CRAZY THING, WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS HERE, THAT THE CHAIR IS SUPPOSED TO APPOINT A SERGEANT IN ARMS AND A DEPUTY TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN LINE.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT EVER REALLY HAPPENS.
THERE ARE, THERE'S SECURITY AND EVERYONE USUALLY ACTS OKAY.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE CHAIR SHOULD REQUIRE MEMBERS TO LIMIT THEIR DISCUSSION, TO QUESTION, TO DEBATE QUESTIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION.
NOT JUST BECAUSE IT HELPS THE MEETING MOVE ALONG BETTER, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS POSTED ON THE AGENDA.
AND YOU NEED TO STAY ON THE TOPIC OF WHAT THE PUBLIC EXPECTS YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT TO THE FLOOR.
EVERY MEMBER HAS A RIGHT TO THE FLOOR ONCE THEY'RE RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
UM, AND YOU, IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT HERE, IS YOU GOTTA CONFINE YOUR REMARKS TO QUESTIONS UNDER DEBATE, AVOID PERSONALITIES, AND REFRAIN FROM IMPUGNING THE MOTIVES OF ANY OTHER MEMBER'S ARGUMENT OR VOTE.
UM, AND ONCE THE VOTE STARTS, YOU, YOU CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
ONCE THE VOTE STARTS, IT STARTED, UM, THAT WE RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM SOMETIMES WHERE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, WAIT, WE'RE VOTING WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING.
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ONCE THE VOTE STARTS, YOU'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT IT.UNDER CHAPTER 12 A OF THE ETHICS CODE, IF YOU LEARN CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, IT IS AGAINST THE ETHICS CODE TO RELEASE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT OF APPEAL.
IF THE CHAIR MAKES A RULING THAT A MEMBER DISAGREES WITH THE MEMBER CAN APPEAL, THE, THE CHAIR'S DECISION HAS TO DO IT RIGHT THEN AND HAS TO GET A SECOND.
BUT EVEN THOUGH THE CHAIR RUNS THE MEETING, THE MEETING BELONGS TO THE BODY.
SO IF THE BODY DECIDES THAT, NO, WE DISAGREE WITH THE CHAIR'S MEETING, OR CHAIR'S MEETING, I'M SORRY, CHAIR'S RULING, THEY CAN BY MAJORITY VOTE OVERTURN THE CHAIR'S RULING ON A, ON A POINT OF ORDER OR ANOTHER ISSUE, LIMITATION OF DEBATE.
NOW, THIS IS, THIS MIGHT COME AS A SURPRISE, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY IN YOUR GUYS', IN YOUR GUYS' RULES OF PROCEDURE.
YOU CAN'T TALK MORE THAN ONCE UPON ANY SUBJECT UNTIL EVERY OTHER MEMBER HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
AND NO MEMBER CAN SPEAK MORE THAN TWICE ON ANY SUBJECT.
AND FOR NO LONGER THAN FIVE MINUTES, TOTAL FIVE MINUTES TOTAL, FOUR MINUTES, AND A ONE MINUTE PERIOD, THREE MINUTES AND A TWO MINUTE PERIOD, UNLESS YOU GET A TWO THIRDS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE BOARD TO EXTEND YOUR TIME.
THAT BEING SAID, YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE, ACTUALLY CLARIFY THAT.
THAT INCLUDES ASKING QUESTIONS, NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT MOTION, BUT ASKING QUESTIONS.
IT'S ALL ROLLED UP IN ONE ITEM IN YOUR, IN YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE.
SO FIVE MINUTES TOTAL PER ITEM.
AND ALSO, THAT'S NOT JUST A RULE OF PROCEDURE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY DALLAS CITY CODE.
SO, UM, BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT THE CHAIR RUNS THE MEETING.
THE MEETING BELONGS TO THE BODY, AND IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP TO PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM.
AND IF SOMEONE'S NOT ACTING RIGHT, IT NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT AND TELL THE CHAIR POINT OF ORDER.
THIS PERSON IS NOT FOLLOWING OUR RULES, OR THIS IS HAPPENING, OR WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
AND THE CHAIR NEEDS TO RULE ON IT AT THAT TIME.
UM, ONCE THE BOARD MEMBER'S SPEAKING, YOU SHALL NOT BE INTERRUPTED.
UM, IF YOU'RE CALLED TO ORDER, IF SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, I THINK THAT THAT'S OUTTA LINE, YOU GOTTA STOP SPEAKING UNTIL YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DOING A POINT OF ORDER AND AN APPEAL IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, YOU HAVE TO USE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, TO CITY EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
AND TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING FROM THE BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, SHOULDN'T BE RUDE.
UM, AGAIN, ITEM E BOARD MEMBERS SHALL CONFINE THEIR QUESTIONS TO THE PARTICULAR MATTERS BEFORE THE ASSEMBLY.
AGAIN, THAT'S ALSO SO YOU STAY ON TRACK WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, MEMBERS SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE MEETING FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY.
UM, THAT REALLY, REALLY NEVER COMES UP, I HOPE.
UM, SECTIONS 8 23 AND 8 24 ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND NEWS MEDIA MEMBERS, THEY, THEY ALL HAVE TO ACT NICE TOO, THAT I DIDN'T BOTHER REPEATING IT.
BUT EVERYBODY HAS TO FOLLOW THE SAME RULES AND TREAT EACH OTHER PROPERLY.
UM, THE ONE THING ABOUT NEWS MEDIA MEMBERS IS, IS YOU REALLY CAN'T DO INTERVIEWS IN A ROOM WHILE A MEETING IS HAPPENING BECAUSE IT INTERFERES WITH THE, WITH THE MEETING ITSELF.
UM, UNDER THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND TAKE PICTURES AND RECORD AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT INTERFERING WITH THE MEETING.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I THINK I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT, THEY SHOULD NOT MAKE PERSONAL AND PERTINENT AND SLANDEROUS REMARKS.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE SAME STANDARD THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, UM, UNAUTHORIZED REMARKS FROM THE AUDIENCE.
STAMPING A FEED WHISTLE IS BASICALLY THINGS THAT ACTUALLY DISRUPT THE MEETING ISN'T ALLOWED.
'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE AN EFFICIENT MEETING AND TO SERVE THE, SERVE THE NEEDS OF, OF ALL THE PUBLIC.
UM, ALL RECOMMENDATIONS AND RESOLUTIONS AND REPORTS.
EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS.
IT'S NOT ONE PERSON JUST DOESN'T GET TO SAY, THIS IS MY REPORT AND I'M JUST GONNA GO GIVE IT TO, TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU GUYS ARE A BODY AND YOU FOLLOW CERTAIN PROCEDURES TO GET YOUR REPORTS.
YOU VOTE, YOU SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AGAIN, UNLESS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF A BOARD, EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A BOARD, UH, YOU GOT TO, YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND REPRESENT THE BOARD UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN AUTHORIZED TO DO SO.
UM, LEGAL OPINIONS, IF A LEGAL OPINION IS RENDERED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RULE.
UM, MAYBE YOU DON'T ALWAYS ASK.
UM, I WILL SAY ONE MORE QUICK THING.
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UM, OH, LORD, I JUST FORGOT WHAT IT WAS.THANK YOU SO MUCH BIRD FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND ALSO FOR THE BOARD TO BE AWARE, THE ENTIRE CHAPTER EIGHT IS IN OUR BINDER.
SO IF YOU WANT SOME LIGHT READING TONIGHT OR ANOTHER TIME, UH, YOU CAN, UH, READ WHAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED UPON.
IT'S IN YOUR PACKET AT THIS TIME.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP, UH, THE, UH, AT THIS TIME FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REGARDING, UH, CHAPTER EIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM THE BOARD? MR. CHAIR? I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, I, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEONE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ATTEND ALL OF OUR MEETINGS? THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ATTEND ALL THE MEETINGS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY 61 BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THIS CITY.
I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S MORE LIKE 59.
THEY COUNT SOME OF THE ALTERNATES AS BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY ATTORNEYS TO ATTEND EVERY MEETING.
WE DO ATTEND CITY COUNCIL, CITY PLAN COMMISSION, LANDMARK COMMISSION, THE QUASI-JUDICIAL BOARDS.
UM, WE DO AS A COURTESY TRY TO STAFF CERTAIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHEN WE'RE ASKED.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO HAVE THAT MUCH MANPOWER, BUT NO, IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, BERT AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS CHAPTER EIGHT OF WHAT, WHAT BOOK? UH, THIS IS CHAPTER EIGHT OF VOLUME ONE OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
THE DALLAS CITY CODE IS FOUR VOLUMES.
UH, MOST PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S ONLY THREE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A FOURTH ONE, WHICH CONTAINS ALL THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, THE OVER THOUSAND ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.
BUT IT'S CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
AND THIS CHAPTER SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ONLY.
THAT'S ALL IT APPLIES TO IS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, ONE THING I WILL ADD IS I, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU GUYS GET MORE, ANOTHER TRAINING OR TWO PERHAPS ON THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT TO, TO GET A GOOD TRAINING ON THAT.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT THIS TIME, BUT I HAVE A, A WHOLE CADRE OF JUST GREAT ATTORNEYS WHO CAN DO PRESENTATIONS ON THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER TOPICS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THE ETHICS PRESENTATION RECENTLY.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THAT, YOU'RE GOOD.
UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE LINE UP A COUPLE MORE TRAININGS FOR YOU GUYS.
I, I BELIEVE, UH, CHRISTOPHER CLARK, THE MEDIATION MANAGER FROM THE OFFICE, HAD A QUESTION AS WELL.
I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I I CAN ALSO POSE IT TO YOU AFTERWARDS.
IT'S, UH, THERE'S JUST A NUMBER FOUR ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
NOTICE, UM, SAYS A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION MAY BE HER HELD, IF A DISCUSSION OF ANY OF THE ABOVE AGENDA ITEMS CONCERNS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING.
AND NUMBER FOUR IS DELIBERATING THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION, REASSIGNMENT DUTIES, DISCIPLINE, OR DISMISSAL OF A PUBLIC OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE, OR THEY HEAR A COMPLAINT OR CHARGE AGAINST AN OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE UNLESS THE OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE WHO IS SUBJECT OF THE DELIBERATION OR HEARING REQUESTS A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF ON THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD DOES IS HEAR COMPLAINTS AGAINST EMPLOYEES.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW THAT, HOW, HOW WE CARVE OUT NOT USING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THAT PURPOSE, BECAUSE WE DO HEAR THE DETAILS OF COMPLAINTS AGAINST PUBLIC EMPLOYEES AND, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE BE ASKING THEM ANYWAY? I, YEAH.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY, VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.
UM, THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE, I WOULD HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE AND I'M HA IF YOU WANT TO, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, I REALLY WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT, UH, STAFF GETS WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT.
UM, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA DO A DRIVE BY OPINION RIGHT NOW, THOUGH.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, WHAT THANK THE CITY, UH, THE DALLAS, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENCE TODAY, BUT ALSO, UH, FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY LAST MONTH AS WELL.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME HERE.
BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE INTO THE ACTION ITEMS TODAY, THERE IS ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE WERE HOPING TO MOVE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF, UH, THIS MEETING THAT IS HONORING DPD HEROES, UM, AS WE, UH, WANTED A FEW WORDS FROM THE OCPO MEDIATION MANAGER, CHRISTOPHER CLARK.
UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES CHRISTOPHER CLARK AT THIS TIME TO SPEAK ON THIS.
UM, THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE.
THANK YOU TO THE DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.
UM, OUR DIRECTOR WOULD BE HERE, BUT SHE HAD A PERSONAL MATTER COME UP, AND SO SHE'S TASKED ME WITH, WITH SITTING IN THIS SEAT TODAY.
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THE BOARD IN THE OFFICE OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WANTED TO START TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, BY TAKING A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.THIS WEEK IS NATIONAL POLICE WEEK.
A TIME TO REFLECT ON OUR REVERENCE FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT BRAVELY SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
AS POLICE OFFICERS, WE EXPECT OFFICERS TO POLICE OUR STREETS, TO PROTECT US, TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE IT HOME SAFELY.
OUR LOVED ONES AND OUR CHILDREN MAKE IT HOME SAFELY.
IT'S A BIG ASK, BUT WE ASK IT.
AND DPD OFFICERS PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY DAY TO TRY AND GIVE US WHAT WE ASK FOR.
WE ARE GRATEFUL, BUT FOR THE VITAL ROLE POLICE PLAY IN OUR SOCIETY, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE.
IT IS NOT LOST ON US HOW MUCH WE ASK, NOR IS IT LOST.
THAT POLICING REQUIRES SACRIFICE, NEVER ENDING DAYS, SLEEPLESS NIGHTS, MISSED MOMENTS THAT MATTER TIME WITH YOUR KIDS, YOUR PARENTS, AND THE ONES YOU LOVE.
ALL OF THAT SACRIFICE AND SERVICE TO THE MOST ELUSIVE AND NOBLE OF HUMAN AMBITIONS, THE PURSUIT OF PEACE AND JUSTICE, AND PURSUIT OF PEACE.
SO MANY HAVE PAINED AND PURSUIT OF JUSTICE.
LAST WEEK, DBD HELD ITS MEMORIAL SERVICE.
UM, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO ATTEND, AND I'VE INCLUDED A COPY OF THE MEMORIAL PROGRAM IN THE AGENDA PACKET SO THAT EVERY FALLEN DBD OFFICER IS REMEMBERED.
TOMORROW, THE NATION ACTUALLY HONORS THE MEMORY OF ALL OFFICERS WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS SHORT MOMENT TO HONOR THE SACRIFICES OF EVERY PERSON THAT BOLDLY BEARS THE BURDENS OF THE BADGE.
AND IN THIS MOMENT, LET US NOT ONLY REFLECT ON THE HEROES THAT HAVE FALLEN, BUT LET US REJOICE FOR THE ONES THAT SURVIVE.
WE THANK OUR OFFICERS FOR THEIR SACRIFICES.
WE THANK THEIR LOVED ONES FOR THEIR SACRIFICES.
MAY THEY ALL BE BLESSED, AND MAY WE ALL MAKE IT HOME SAFELY EVERY NIGHT.
UH, ON MAY 7TH, THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR, UH, FALLEN OFFICERS.
AND AT THIS TIME, UH, WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, UH, FROM THE BOARD, UH, TO, UH, REMEMBER, UH, THAT SACRIFICE.
LET'S MOVE NOW TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM TWO A.
UH, THIS IS WHERE WE WILL HEAR, UH, TWO REVIEWS THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AT THIS TIME, UH, THE POLICY ANALYST SIERRA OBSU, WHO WILL, AT THIS TIME PRESENT TO THE BOARD A REVIEW ON EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT FILED BY MS. ARLENE PEREZ MARINO.
GOOD AFTERNOON, OR GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
I AM THE POLICY ANALYST FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND I WILL BE PRESENTING MS. ARLENE PEREZ MARINO'S CASE FOR REVIEW.
SHE'S ACTUALLY HERE, RIGHT HERE.
SHE CAME LAST BOARD MEETING TO PRESENT AND SPEAK ON HER CASE.
ON AUGUST 15TH, 2022, ARLENE PEREZ MARINO CALLED 9 1 1 BECAUSE SHE FELT THREATENED BY JOSHUA PRING, WHO WORKS AS THE DETECTIVE FOR GRAYSON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
MS. MARINO RECEIVED TEXT MESSAGES, THREATENING TEXT MESSAGES, AND BELIEVED THAT MR. PR WAS AT HER APARTMENT IN HER LOCATION, THREATENING HER WITH A GUN 9 1 1, DISPATCHED DPD TO HER LOCATION IN WHICH THEY BEGAN TO FURTHER ASSESS, UM, HER CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THAT TIME, THEY WERE ABLE TO GET INTO CONTACT WITH DETECTIVE PRING AND HAVE A CONVERSATION IN THAT CONVERSATION.
FOR IN THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE, IT SHOWS SOME COMMENTS THAT REMAIN, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED, UM, IS CLEARED BY THAT BODY CAM FOOTAGE.
UM, AND MS. PEREZ MARINO HER MAIN COMPLAINT.
HER MAIN COMPLAINT IS THAT SHE FELT OFFICERS DID NOT ADEQUATELY INVESTIGATE HER SITUATION, BUT INSTEAD PASSED HER OFF TO THE RIGHT CARE TEAM.
DPDS FINDINGS ARE NO INVESTIGATION DUE TO THE VIOLATION, NO VIOLATION
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OF DEPARTMENTAL RULES OR PROCEDURES BEING FOUND.HOWEVER, IN LIGHT OF O CPO'S REVIEWING THIS FOOTAGE OF THIS INCIDENT, SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE OFFICERS ON THE SCENE SHOULD BE REVISITED.
I WANT, I WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING.
AND, UM, SHE IS HERE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
IS THERE, UH, ANY VIDEO THAT WE CAN SEE AT THIS TIME, UH, THAT YOU MENTIONED? THE, THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE? I DO NOT HAVE FOOTAGE CURRENTLY, UM, BUT SHE DOES, SHE DOES HAVE FOOTAGE THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT.
SHE PRESENTED, UH, BODY CAM FOOTAGE LAST BOARD MEETING.
WE HEARD, WE HEARD THE AUDIO LAST TIME.
I I REMEMBER THAT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, YES.
BUT, UH, AND DID THE OFFICE REVIEW THAT FOOTAGE? YES, I DID.
UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF WE CAN SEE THAT.
I MEAN, WHAT COULD WE, CAN WE SEE THAT VIDEO? UH, SHE JUST HOLDS IT UP OR LISTENS TO IT.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? OH, YES.
UH, WE'LL, I GUESS WE'LL, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN SHOW THAT VIDEO AND THEN, UH, IT MIGHT BE WHERE WE CAN, UH, QUESTION AFTER THAT.
I KNOW I HAD A QUESTION FOR, UM, OH, FOR SIERRA? YEAH.
UM, WHEN YOU READ THAT, DID YOU NOT REQUEST, UH, THE VIDEO FROM, OR AUDIO FROM DPD? NO, WE HAVE THE FOOTAGE.
WE HAVE, WE'VE ALREADY VIEWED THE FOOTAGE.
I JUST DID NOT PRESENT IT AT THIS TIME.
J JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE OF SOME PRIOR HISTORY WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH MR. LANE, UH, IN WHICH, WHEN, IN HIS CASE IT WAS DESIGNATED AS NO INVESTIGATION, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAD NOT SEEN THE VIDEO THAT COME, CAME UP.
MY QUESTION TO YOU, DO YOU KNOW IF, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS SEEN OR HEARD THE BODY-WORN CAMERA OR VIDEO THAT YOU ARE REFERENCING? YES, I BELIEVE.
MR. MAPLES, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GO YOU, MR. WILLIAMS OR YOU, BUT IS THERE ANY KINDA WAY WE CAN PULL THAT VIDEO UP SINCE IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE LINGERING SOMEWHERE, YOUR OFFICE HAS IT? IS THERE ANY KINDA WAY WE CAN SEE IT? 'CAUSE IT, LIKE, LIKE WAS JUST MENTIONED WITH THAT LANE CASE.
I, I WANNA SEE THE VIDEO IF INTERNAL AFFAIRS SAW IT.
SO IS THERE ANY KINDA WAY WE CAN SEE IT? I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PRODUCE IT RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TABLE THE REVIEW, UM, I CAN MAKE THAT AVAILABLE FOR YOU IN THE MORNING.
BUT SHE'S HERE NOW, AND SHE'S HERE LAST MORNING.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PERSON WHO YOU ALL KNOW, JAMES JAMES'S LAST DAY WAS LAST FRIDAY.
AND SO, UH, HE'S THE PERSON THAT HAS THE DIRECT ACCESS TO THAT, THAT PART OF THE DATABASE.
BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH IAD PRO.
I CAN GET IT FOR YOU TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE I, I CAN GO LITERALLY OVER THE DPD AND GET A COPY OF IT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY ANYMORE TO PULL UP ANY OF THE VIRTUAL COPIES OF THINGS DIRECTLY FROM OUR OFFICE.
WE HAVE TO, UNTIL THEY PUT US THROUGH THE TRAINING, WE HAVE TO LITERALLY GO OVER THE DPD AND GET A PHYSICAL COPY.
I'M HAPPY TO GET IT PREPARED FOR YOU, AND I'LL HAVE IT FOR YOU TOMORROW MORNING.
I FIND IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF INCONVENIENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE IN THE OFFICE HAS THE ABILITY TO RECOVER THE VIDEO, BUT I JUST FEEL IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR, UM, MS. PEREZ MARINO AND, AND FOR US.
WE'RE ALL HERE, YET, WE DON'T HAVE THE MATERIALS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO ASK SIERRA, DOES SHE HAVE A COPY ON HER AND ARE WE ALLOWED TO VIEW THAT IF SHE HAS IT? I HAVE A, SHE HAS A USB.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? WE COULD PUT IT IN ONE.
LEMME CONSULT WITH THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY
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I, THE VIDEO AND I WAS NO, I WAS ASKED TO SHOW THE VIDEO AND I WAS TOLD NO, NOT TO.I JUST HAVE ONE CAVEAT MAYBE IN THIS, YES.
OUR ATTORNEY'S GONNA, UH, MAYBE ANSWER THAT THIS MAY BE A TIME FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BECAUSE ONLY THING IS THAT VIDEO HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED FOR REDACTION.
IN CASE SOMETHING WE SHOULDN'T HEAR OR SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THE PUBLIC.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY REVIEW IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES.
APPARENTLY WE DO HAVE THE VIDEO ON USB.
SO OUR OFFICE HAS THE VIDEO ON USB.
YEAH, APPARENTLY WE HAVE IT ON USB AVAILABLE.
WHAT WE COULD DO AT THIS TIME GO, IF YOU HAVE THE USB, IF WE COULD GIVE IT TO THE IT AND, UH, LET'S, UH, LET'S SUSPEND THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME.
LET'S, UH, COME BACK TO THIS ITEM.
WE'LL TABLE IT JUST UNTIL WE REVIEW THIS NEXT CASE.
UH, WE JUST HAVE ONE MORE ONE, UH, ACTION ITEM THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK.
UH, KEVIN WILLIAMS WILL BE GIVEN THAT, AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE TIME TO GET THE VIDEO UPLOADED AND WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK, UH, TO YOU WHENEVER IT'S THERE.
BOARD, ARE WE OKAY WITH THIS? OKAY.
I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE CAN RETRIEVE THE VIDEO.
WE WILL, UH, TABLE THAT UNTIL THE USB VIDEO IS ACCESSIBLE.
UM, AND LET'S MOVE ON AT THIS TIME TO AGENDA ITEM TWO B2B AND THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALIST, UH, KEVIN WILLIAMS, AND HE WILL BE GIVING THE REVIEW EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT FILED BY STEVE ROGERS, THE CHIEF OF THE RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS, I BRING FORTH TO YOU MR. MR. STEVEN ROGERS, UM, COMPLAINT FOR REVIEW.
UM, AFTER I, UM, BRING THE SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT AND, AND READ, UM, I'S ETERNAL INVESTIGATIVE SUMMARY, THEN I'LL SEND IT BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR YOUR VOTE ON, UM, WHETHER OR NOT SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION OR NOT.
UM, THE COMPLAINANT, STEVEN ROGERS, UM, I, I BELIEVE ERIC, MR. ROGERS MIGHT BE ON RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE INVITED HIM OUT TO THE MEETING, THE SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT.
SO ON JULY 6TH, 2023, SERGEANT GRAY OF THE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS DIVISION SENT A, A PRIVATE EMAIL TO MR. RONNIE WALKER OF THE CITY OF RUSTIN, LOUISIANA.
THE LETTER ABOUT SERGEANT GRAY'S COMPLAINT INVOLVING RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT ON HOW THEY WERE HANDLING A SHOOTING INVESTIGATION INVOLVING SERGEANT GRAY'S JUVENILE NEPHEW.
MAYOR WALKER, BELIEVED THAT THE CONTENT OF SERGEANT GRAY'S LETTER CONSISTED UNSUPPORTIVE AND BASELESS RACIAL ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF OF POLICE, MR. STEFAN ROGERS BELIEVES SERGEANT GRAY'S COMPLAINT FILED WITH THE CITY OF OF RUSTIN WAS FAKE AND MALICIOUS BOARD MEMBERS HAVE RECEIVED, UM, THE INITIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS CASE.
AND I'LL READ, UM, DPDS INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, INVESTIGATION SUMMARY ON JUNE 28TH, A FORMAL REVIEW WAS CONDUCTED WITH SERGEANT J GRAY AT THE RUSTIN POLICE BUILDING.
THE REC THE RECORDED INTERVIEW SHOWED SERGEANT GRAY CONDUCTED HIMSELF RESPECTFULLY WHEN COOPERATING WITH INVESTIGATORS.
SUBSEQUENTLY, ON JULY 6TH, 2023, SERGEANT GRAY FILED A LETTER COMPLAINT AGAINST THE RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT ADDRESSING ADDRESSED TO MAYOR WALKER AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, A NATIVE OF RUSTIN, LOUISIANA, AND A
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FAMILY MEMBER OF THE VICTIM.SERGEANT GRAY EXPRESSED HER PERSONAL CONCERNS WITH THE RUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROCEDURE AND CITIZEN'S INTERACTION, ALL EVIDENCE COLLECTED DOCUMENTS.
SERGEANT GRAY DID NOT USE HER POSITION OR RANK IN THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO INFLUENCE THE INVESTIGATION OF HER JUVENILE NEPHEWS CASE BASED ON TESTIMONIAL DOCUMENTARY AND VIDEO EVIDENCE COLLECTED DURING THIS COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION.
THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT ANY DEPARTMENTAL POLICY OR VIOLATION DURING THIS INCIDENT.
THEREFORE, THE ADMINISTRATION INQUIRY HAS CLASSIFIED AS COMPLETE IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE ALL SIDES OF THE CASE WERE PRESENTED FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW.
OCPO REACHED OUT TO OFFICER GRAY TO GET HER SIDE OF THE STORY AND POTENTIALLY SPEAK AT THE BOARD MEETING.
OFFICER GRAY RESPECTFULLY DECLINED TO PARTICIPATE.
I WILL BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR YOUR VOTE.
SO IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR BOARD BOARD PACKET, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, THE COMPLAINT THAT WAS FILED TO, UH, DPD, THE RESPONSE FROM IAD.
WE ALSO HAVE THE, UH, ACTUAL LETTER, UH, THAT WAS SENT, UH, TO THE RUSTIN, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THIS TIME, UH, TO BE CORRECT.
YEAH, LOOK, UH, AS CLOSE TO THE THIRD TAB AS POSSIBLE.
IT'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF PAPERS.
SO MR. CHAIR IS, IS, UM, UM, THE OFFICER, THE MAYOR, OR WHO, WHOEVER'S BRINGING THE COMPLAINT, ARE THEY AVAILABLE FOR QUESTION? HEY, KEVIN, ARE IS THE OFFICER, OR IS, IS THE, UH, THE OFFICER, THE DALLAS POLICE OFFICER OR, UH, THE CHIEF OF, UH, POLICE AT RUSTON? ARE THEY EITHER OF THEM? ARE THEY ONLINE FOR QUESTIONS? I DID NOT SEE, UM, SERGEANT GRAY ONLINE, BUT I DID SEE A, A, A STEP IN ONLINE AND, UM, SEE IF ERIC CAN PLUG THAT PERSON IN.
UH, JUST IN CASE THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS, UH, WE INVITED THE CHIEF TO SPEAK.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE GONNA VOTE, UH, HERE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UH, KEVIN WILLIAMS CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR OF THE, UH, OF THE DOCUMENT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND WE ALSO, UH, WILL HAVE, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO MADE THE COMPLAINT AS WELL.
BUT, UH, TAKE A MOMENT TO READ THAT'S IN THE PACKET.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP AT THIS TIME FOR ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
UH, AND, UH, IS, IS THE INDIVIDUAL ONLINE NOW, KEVIN, JUST IN CASE ERIC IS ERIC, IS MR. STEVEN ONLINE? CAPTAIN
UH, THIS MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, THIS IS ERIC.
UH, I JUST SENT A PRIVATE MESSAGE TO, UH, STEVEN THAT IS IN THIS ROOM.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS STEVE ROGERS OR NOT.
I JUST, UH, ASKED TO MAKE SURE IT'S HIM.
AND IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, HE WILL LET ME KNOW.
AND, UH, AT THIS TIME, YES, SURE.
UH, THE, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DAVID KITNER WITH ANY QUESTIONS HE MAY HAVE.
UM, MR. WILLIAMS, I, I READ THE CORRESPONDENCE HERE.
AND, UH, I MAY NOT HAVE SEEN EVERYTHING, BUT I ONLY SAW ONE REFERENCE FROM THIS, THE, UH, DPD OFFICER WHERE SHE REFERENCED THAT SHE WAS A POLICE OFFICER, I THINK FOR 25 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ARE YOU AWARE IN HERE OR IN ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE SHE REFERENCED OR SAID SHE WAS A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? NO, SIR.
AS FAR AS I'M, UM, READING HERE, UM, SHE'S, SHE'S INTRODUCED HERSELF AS A CITIZEN.
WELL, I, I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT ONE REFERENCE WHERE SHE SAID WHO SHE WAS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO USE HER POSITION.
AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING I WAS MISSING.
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES JONATHAN MAPLES.
SO, I, I'M, I'M, UH, SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS VIDEO THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SAYS IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH THAT THERE WAS A VIDEO WAS RE REVIEWED.
YOU SEE THAT IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH? SO IF THAT'S, IF
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THAT VIDEO, IF THERE'S A VIDEO THAT WAS REVIEWED IN RUSTIN, WE CAN'T GET THAT FROM RUSTIN TO REVIEW IT.RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF HANDCUFFED.
IT'S KIND OF A HE SAY, SHE SAY, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE VIDEO, WE CAN'T SEE A VIDEO IF THERE'S VIDEO, THAT'S YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TOO.
AND, AND, UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE TOO, 'CAUSE THE, THE COMPLAINT IS, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE INCIDENT IN RUSTIN, IT'S ABOUT THE OFFICER'S EMAIL TO THE RUSTIN'S POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO IT MIGHT BE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT'S EVEN WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE.
UH, MR. MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN, IF, IF I CAN CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU, THE VIDEO HAS TO DEAL WITH A PENDING CASE IN RUSTIN INVOLVING A JUVENILE.
SO EV EVEN IF WE HAD THE VIDEO, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO SHOW THE VIDEO WHEN THE ALLEGATION IS ABOUT AN EMAIL.
THAT WAS SENT BY THE DPD OFFICER OKAY.
REGARDING THAT UNDERLYING CASE.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE ALLEGATION BEING MADE AGAINST THIS DPD OFFICER IS THAT HER CONDUCT IN SENDING THIS EMAIL MADE ERRONEOUS AND MALICIOUS ALLEGATIONS THAT AGAINST THE RUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE COMPLAINANT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE RACIALLY BASED ALLEGATIONS AS TO HOW THEY TR HANDLED THAT CASE.
THAT UNDERLYING CASE, MR. CHAIR AND DPD FOUND THAT DPD FOUND WHEN THEY DID THEIR FULL INVESTIGATION, THAT SHE SENT A PRIVATE EMAIL AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO EXPRESS HER BELIEF OF HER TREATMENT OF HER NEPHEW.
THE, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
I, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS, IN MY OPINION, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE AFFIRM THE FINDINGS OF DPD, THAT THERE WAS NO FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT EIGHT, I SECOND.
YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO DO WHETHER WE HAVE A MOTION TO, FOR AN INVESTIGATION, UH, AND THEN, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT MOTION IT, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE A SECOND.
UH, BUT, BUT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MOVE, HAVE A MOVE, MOVE FOR THAT AT THIS TIME.
WE CAN'T MOVE FOR NO INVESTIGATION.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST WHERE THERE'S A CALL FOR A MOTION TO DO ANOTHER INVESTIGATION, AND IF NOBODY MAKES THE MOTION, IT'S OVER.
HOWEVER YOU WANT DO IT, THEN I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND.
UH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TOO? UH, UH, BRENDA FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO THE POLICE CHIEF'S ONLY COMPLAINT HAS TO DO WITH HER EMAIL? YES.
HIS COMPLAINT IS THE EMAIL THAT SHE SENT TO THE MAYOR.
MAKES ALLEGATIONS ABOUT HIS DEPARTMENT.
AND HE'S COMPLAINING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD BECAUSE SHE HAPPENS TO WORK FOR THE, THE CITY OF DALLAS.
HE'S ASKING, HE'S ASKING FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW IDS, FINDING THAT SHE DIDN'T VIOLATE ANY, THAT SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING OF MISCONDUCT.
IN, IN, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A PRIVATE MATTER AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM THIS BOARD TO LAUNCH AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE? I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME.
IS THERE ANY MOTION, UH, FROM THIS BOARD TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE? THE BOARD HAS SPOKEN.
THERE WILL NOT BE AN INVESTIGATION.
UH, WE CAN NOW MOVE ON, UH, TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
DO, DO WE HAVE THE USB VIDEO, UH, ACCESSIBLE? YES.
SO THERE WILL BE A TWO MINUTE ONE.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS AN OPTION TO VIEW THE 13 MINUTE ONE.
SO WE'RE NOW HEADING BACK, UH, ON THE AGENDA TO ITEM TWO A.
UH, WE'RE CONTINUING ON, UH, THIS REVIEW, UH, ON THE COMPLAINT FILED BY ARLENE PEREZ MARINO.
AND, UH, WE NOW HAVE THE VIDEO AND CAN WE PLAY IT AT THIS TIME? YES.
ERIC, GO AHEAD AND SHARE YOUR SCREEN.
YEAH, GIMME ONE SECOND TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT UP HERE FOR YOU.
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SO IS THERE ANY AUDIO TO THIS VIDEO? YES.ERIC, IS IT NOT PLAYING THE AUDIO? NO.
UM, LET ME TRY TO GET THAT TO PLAY.
WOULD YOU MIND PROVIDING THE BOARD SOME CONTEXT ON WHAT THIS VIDEO, IS THIS A BODY CAM FOOTAGE? IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
SO ACTUALLY THIS IS, UM, WHERE I, WHERE SHE SAID THAT DETECTIVE PRANG IS ON THE PHONE WITH ONE OF THE DPD OFFICERS AND THEY'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION.
THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
AND SO YOU WILL SEE THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, UH, FROM YOU, UH, WHY DON'T YOU COME DOWN TO, UH, THE MICROPHONE EITHER BEHIND YOU THERE.
SO THE VIDEO IS ACTUALLY LIKE AN HOUR AND A HALF LONG.
SO I CUT IT INTO LITTLE PIECES, BUT THIS IS WHERE THE DETECTIVE FROM GRAYSON COUNTY TEXTS ME.
I HAVE THE TEXT MESSAGES THAT, UM, THAT I AM THE REASON WHY WE HAVE S**T COPS.
AND, AND, UM, I'VE MADE HIM SO MAD HE'S GONNA HAVE TO, AND HE QUITS THERE WHEN THE OFFICER FROM DALLAS CALLS, HE SAYS, UM, OFFICER PRANG GOES, WHAT RELATIONSHIP DO YOU HAVE WITH MS. PEREZ? AND HE SAYS, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HE GOES, I HATE THAT B***H.
SHE'S A F*****G ASS PSYCHO ASS B***H.
AND THEN THE OFFICER GOES, WELL, ME, ME.
YOU GUYS ARE STUPID FOR TRYING TO, EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN HE GOES, SHE'S F*****G CRAZY.
AND THE DALLAS COP SAYS, MM-HMM,
AND THEN, AND I WAS IN ONE ROOM AND THEY WERE IN MY, IN THE BEDROOM TALKING.
AND THEN, UM, HE, THE DETECTIVE FROM DALLAS DOES, FROM DALLAS SAYS, I THINK SHE HAS SOMETHING GOING ON.
UM, SO WHEN IT ALL, HE GOES, WHERE DO YOU WORK? HE GOES, IT'S NOT A F*****G BUSINESS.
THAT'S WHAT THE DETECTIVE SAYS.
HE COMES OUTTA THE BEDROOM AND HE TELLS ME HE'S A F*****G ASS FAKE COP.
HE GOES, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HE, HE CAME TO MY HOUSE AND HE PICKED UP THE EVIDENCE.
HE GOES, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
JUST PUT HIM ON, PUT HIM ON, UM, ON BLOCK.
DON'T, DON'T TALK TO HIM ANYMORE.
I'M LIKE, AND THEN THE OTHER DALLAS COP SAYS, THEY'RE HANGING AROUND WITH THE SUSPECTS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETENDING TO BE DETECTIVES JUST TO GET TO YOU.
AND, UM, THEY CALL THE HOSPITAL ON ME.
THEY CALL THE, UM, UM, PARKLAND UNIT FOR PSYCH.
THEY JUST SAY SHE'S, SHE'S OUT THERE.
SHE HAS, SHE, SHE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO WHEN THEY WALKED IN, THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE.
THE REPORT THAT THEY MADE SAYS THIS, IT'S OKAY.
I COULDN'T GET A PROTECTIVE ORDER ON THIS DETECTIVE BECAUSE OF ALL THAT.
I'M GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM THE DETECTIVE SAYING, IF I DON'T DROP THE CASE, THE CHARGES, HE'S GONNA, DON'T MAKE ME HIM HAVE TO KILL ME.
I CAN'T GET THE COPS TO HELP ME.
AND I HAVE IT ON RECORDING ALL OF IT.
UH, AND AGAIN, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL YOU'RE HERE TO, TO SHARE THIS.
AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN EAGERLY WAITING, UH, TO HEAR THIS, TO SEE THIS VIDEO.
AND THE OFFICER WHO WAS USING THAT, THE LANGUAGE, WAS THAT THE POLICE DALLAS POLICE OFFICER? YES, SIR.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? IT WAS, UH, THE DETECTIVE THAT WAS USING THAT LANGUAGE? IT WAS BOTH, BOTH.
IT WAS THE DETECTIVE FROM GRAYSON AND THE DALLAS.
UH, WELL WE HAVE THE VIDEO NOW.
YEAH, OFFICER, I'M SORRY, WE GOT DISCONNECTED.
WELL, HOW ARE YOU RELATED TO MS. PEREZ? MS. PEREZ IS A CRAZY F*****G STUPID PSYCHO ASS F*****G WITNESS.
WHAT, WHAT DID SHE SAY? NO, SHE, SHE SAID THAT THE TEXT MESSAGES THAT YOU ARE GETTING FROM YOU, SHE'S GETTING FROM YOU IS CONCERNING HER AND SHE'S SCARED.
SO SHE CALLED 9 1 1 AND SHE MADE US GO THROUGH THE TEXT MESSAGES.
UH, THE, I DID AND I, AND WE'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO HER THAT NOT NOTHING IN THAT TEXT MESSAGE IS THREATENING IN ANY WAY OR FORM OF SHAPE.
I CALLED, WHY THE F**K ARE YOU CALLING? WHO? ME? YES.
NO, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I JUST TRYING, I THINK SHE'S GOING THROUGH SOME SORT OF REQUEST AND SHE'S SAYING THAT I PRAY NOTHING.
SHE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SHE JUST SAID THAT SHE'S NERVOUS ABOUT YOU AND THAT YOU WERE GONNA COME OVER AND THEN I WAS GONNA COME OVER.
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OVER? I HATE THAT B***H.I'M, I'M NOT HERE TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP HER AND SEE IF WE CAN JUST SORT OUT THE SITUATION.
I'M NOT, I DIDN'T CALL YOU TO, TO HEAR YOU SAY B***H AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WHY? I'M, I'M ACTUALLY HANGING, I'M HEAD TOMORROW AND I'M NOT GONNA BE A COP ANYMORE BECAUSE I'M SEEING THESE F*****G PEOPLE LIKE HER.
SHE CLAIMS THAT SHE SAYS YOU ARE A COP INVESTIGATING A CASE.
SO SHE, I DO, I CAN, AND I SAID, I JUST GOT LIKE THIS CASE, LIKE 200 ON.
SIR, SIR, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST YOU.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SORT OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I'M JUST SIMPLY ASKING FOR YOUR HELP.
THERE ARE OTHER, THERE'S THREE OFFICERS THAT ARE TALKING TO RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, WELL, IT SEEMS THAT WAY.
BUT WHAT AGENCY ARE YOU WITH? KEEP TALKING, KEEP TALKING TO HER.
WHAT AGENCY ARE YOU WITH? YOUR F*****G BUSINESS.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, THAT, SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE PART OF IT.
I'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
UH, DO, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THAT CAN BE DIRECTED TOWARDS, UH, SIERRA OR MS. PEREZ? YES, DAVID KITNER.
FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN THE TEXT MESSAGES.
UM, THE POLICE OFFICER CHARACTERIZED THEM AS NON-THREATENING, BUT WHAT WERE THEY SAYING? AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS
IS HE IN FACT A POLICE OFFICER OR WAS HE SOME SORT OF FAKE GUY? 'CAUSE I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THIS WAS A TRUE INVESTIGATION, WHETHER YOU LIKED IT OR NOT.
BUT WAS HE TRULY A POLICE OFFICER IN GRAYSON COUNTY? YES, SIR.
SO LAST TIME I CAME I BROUGHT THE TEXT MESSAGES, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER ONE IF YOU WANT 'EM.
SO AFTER THIS, AND, AND WHEN THEY CAME AND TOLD ME THAT HE WAS S**T ASS COP, YOU'LL SEE THAT I, I MAKE THEM CALL GRAYSON.
SO THEY CALLED GRAYSON COUNTY TO TALK TO THE SHERIFFS AND THEY CONFIRM, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE VIDEO, THAT HE IS, IN FACT A COP.
HE ENDED UP QUITTING AND HE ENDED UP STEALING THE EVIDENCE.
UM, AND HE TOLD THE COPS THESE, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON THE VIDEO, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN HOUR LONG.
AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, IS THIS BODY-WORN CAMERA FROM THE POLICE OFFICER OR YOUR VIDEO BODY CAM FROM THE POLICE OFFICERS.
SO, UM, I, I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK A HARD QUESTION.
SO APPARENTLY HE'S INVESTIGATING A CASE FOR YOU IF HE'S A DETECTIVE.
UM, SO IS THAT WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP IS TO HIM? HE'S INVESTIGATING YOUR CASE, OR IS THERE ANOTHER PERSONAL TYPE RELATIONSHIP? NO, SIR.
HE WAS JUST INVESTIGATING MY CASE.
THAT'S YOUR CASE'S, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE RELATIONSHIP OF THIS POLICE OFFICER, THIS DETECTIVE THAT'S INVESTIGATING YOUR CASE MM-HMM.
THERE'S A, I MEAN, THERE'S A BELIEF THAT HE, HE HAS SOME KIND OF MAYBE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SUBSTEP SUSPECTS.
UH, THE TEXAS RANGER DID HAVE TO STEP IN FOR THAT PART OVER THERE.
AND WHEN IT, HALF A WEEK AND AGO, A HALF, SORRY, I, I STUTTER A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.
UM, THEY CALLED IT A POLICE, UH, CORRUPTION, PUBLIC CORRUPTION OVER THERE.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING OVER HERE YET, BUT, UM, I HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE, TO THE DETECTIVE.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES, JUDGE.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY YOUR COMPLAINT AGAINST THE DALLAS POLICE OFFICER, UH, HAS TO DO WITH, WITH THE PHRASE THAT HE USED.
MY COMPLAINT WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS IS THAT THEY PUT ME AT RISK.
THE PER REPORT WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY.
UM, I COULDN'T GET A PROTECTIVE ORDER BECAUSE OF THAT.
UH, I GOT PUT IN THE MENTAL HOSPITAL BECAUSE OF THAT.
UM, I GOT 30 DEGREE PER BURNS TO SHOW.
I HAVE THE HOSPITAL RECORDS I BROUGHT LAST TIME, BUT I CAN GIVE 'EM TO YOU AGAIN.
AND SO THERE'S, THEY DERAILED THEIR DUTY.
NOW I UNDERSTAND NOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS A, A POLICING ASPECT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, BUT WHEN, WHEN A RESIDENT CALLS 9 1 1 OR CALLS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOMEONE THEY FEEL IS THREATENING THEM, WHO IS, I GUESS, POTENTIALLY A SUSPECT AT THAT POINT, IF THEY'RE, DO THE COPS SHOW UP AND NORMALLY CALL THE SUSPECT?
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THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.I, I WONDER IF THERE'S, UH, SOMEONE FROM IAD ON THE LINE THAT COULD MAYBE SHED LIGHT INTO THAT POTENTIALLY.
DO YOU KNOW IF, UH, WAS THERE ANYONE ON, UH, FROM IAD ON THE LINE? A UHHUH? MR. R, MR. CHAIR? UH, YES.
UH, MAJOR ALANISE? UM, NOT QUITE SURE.
UH, BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN HAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, MAYBE YOU COULD SPEAK TO AS FAR AS POLICE, UH, PROTOCOL.
UH, MAJOR ALLEN BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
UM, IN, IN THIS CASE, AND, AND I GUESS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
SO, UH, A RESIDENT CALLS THE POLICE BECAUSE SHE'S GOT A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOMEONE THREATENING HER, WHO I, I DON'T KNOW THE TERMINOLOGY FOR WHAT THE PERSON IS AT THAT POINT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SUSPECT OR, OR WHAT.
BUT FOR A PERSON OF INTEREST, UH, WHO IS POTENTIALLY THREATENING THE COMPLAINANT, UH, WHEN THE POLICE SHOW UP, DO THEY NORMALLY CALL THE PERSON OF INTEREST OR THE SUSPECT AND GET THEIR OPINION ON THINGS SO THAT IT'S A POSSIBILITY? UH, WHEN THE OFFICER, WHEN THE OFFICERS ARE THERE AT THE LOCATION, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO ASK AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE AND SPEAK TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO GATHER ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR, UM, AGAIN, THE INVESTIGATION THAT THEY'RE HANDLING WHEN THEY ARRIVE TO THE CALL FOR SERVICE.
SO, SO YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND, AND THERE WAS NO ISSUE WITH THAT IN YOUR OPINION? NO, SIR.
LO SMITH, MA MAJOR? UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN THEY, WHEN THE OFFICERS AND FILED THEIR REPORT, ALL THEY REPORTED WAS HOW UPSET SHE WAS AND, AND MAYBE FRIGHTENED INTO A HYSTERIA.
THEY DID NOT REPORT THE INFORMATION FROM THE PERSON SHE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I DO NOT KNOW THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
I DON'T HAVE THE REPORT IN FRONT OF ME AT THIS TIME.
I BELIEVE THE REPORT IS IN THE PACKET.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN READ THAT IF WE NEED TO.
I, I DID READ THE REPORT AND, UM, IT'S THAT IT'S IN THE PACKET AND THERE'S NO MENTION OF WHAT SHE WAS ACTUALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT, BUT THEY FOUND THAT THE OFFICERS DID NOT, UM, THEY WERE NOT AT FAULT.
BUT IF YOU DON'T INVESTIGATE WHAT I'M COMPLAINING ABOUT, HOW IS THAT NOT AT FAULT? AND MORE IMPORTANT, HOW CAN YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THEY'RE NOT AT FAULT IF YOU'RE NOT INVESTIGATING? UM, IS IT TIME FOR A MOTION? IS THERE ANY, SIR, YOU HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT BEFORE WE WE MOVE TO A MOTION? YES.
MS. PEREZ MARINO WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY ON, GO AHEAD.
SO, THE POLICE OFFICER ASKED ME IF HE COULD CALL THE DETECTIVE.
THEY WERE THERE FOR AN HOUR AFTER 30 MINUTES OF ME BEGGING THEM TO, TO CALL TO DO SOMETHING.
THEY ASKED ME, IS IT OKAY FOR US TO CALL, JUST SO IT'LL MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER? I SAID, YES.
SO THEY CALLED HIM, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID THE MOST.
THE THING IS, IN THE VIDEO, YOU'LL SEE THAT I GAVE THEM THE MARSHALL'S PHONE NUMBER BECAUSE IT, IT'S A HUGE CASE.
BUT THE MARSHALL HAD ARRESTED MY FORMER FOSTER SON FOR STEALING A MARSHALL'S CAR, AND THE GUN, I GAVE HIM THE PHONE NUMBER IN THERE.
HE DID NOT WRITE IT IN THE REPORT.
AND I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER ANYMORE.
'CAUSE I GAVE IT TO THE POLICE WHO I THOUGHT WERE GONNA DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO.
AND YOU SEE THEM WRITE IT, THEY CAN PUT IN THE REPORT.
MR. CHAIR, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
OH, JUDGE LANDER, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME THAT, UH, WE, THAT THE, UH, UM, COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW BOARD DOING OR DOING ANOTHER INVESTIGATION OF THIS, UH, ISSUE FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? BRANDON FRIEDMAN.
SECOND BEFORE WE CALL TO A VOTE, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER? DO WE HAVE AN INVESTIGATOR LATER? UH, I THINK THAT, THAT, UH, THIS WILL BE A, A BRIDGE.
I THINK THE OFFICE WILL TO CROSS, UH, MAYBE SUBCONTRACT THAT OUT FROM MY OPINION.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE TO A VOTE FROM THE BOARD.
LET'S DO A, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.
UM, AND, UH, WE'LL GO DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
AND, UM, THE MOTION IS TO CONDUCT A, AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON
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THIS CASE.WILL SAY YES FOR THE INVESTIGATION.
DISTRICT EIGHT, JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER.
DISTRICT 11 AND SHE STEPPED AWAY.
UH, THE OFFICE WILL CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE RESULTS.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL, NOW, NOW MOVE TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE B, THREE B.
AND THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THE HIRING SEARCH FOR THE NEW DIRECTOR SLASH MONITOR.
I WAS LOOKING AT MY, MY PACKET.
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE INFORMATION ON HERE.
CAN I BORROW YOURS,
I, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, KIM TOLBERT YESTERDAY, AND SHE COMMUNICATED TO ME AND ASKED IF I'D COMMUNICATE TO THE BOARD THAT THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON THE DIRECTOR SEARCH FOR THE OFFICE, UH, USING THE, UH, THE SEARCH FIRM, PULL HIRE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE MEMO THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO AND THROUGH THEIR SEARCH, THEY HAVE COME UP WITH 30 QUALIFIED CANDIDATES.
30 IS WHAT, UH, WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME, UH, YESTERDAY.
UH, THE PLAN FROM HERE MOVING FORTH, IS THAT POLL HIRE THE, UH, THE FIRM AND ALSO INTERIM CITY MANAGER, KIM TOLBERT.
THEY WILL ASSESS THE TWO OF THEM.
UH, THE COMPANY AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER WILL ASSESS THE 30 CANDIDATES.
AND I CLARIFIED TO THEM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM
KIM TOLBERT, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, KIM TOLBERT AND POLL HIRE.
THEY WILL NARROW THE 30 DOWN TO FIVE.
WHEN THEY GET TO FIVE CANDIDATES IS WHEN THEY'RE GONNA INVITE THE BOARD TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT CONVERSATION.
THERE'LL BE A SERIES OF, UM, OF EVENTS WHERE THESE FIVE CANDIDATES WILL BE MEETING WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS.
AND WE, OF COURSE, AS THE OVERSIGHT BOARD WILL, WILL PLAY A ROLE IN THAT, IN HELPING TAKE THE FIVE DOWN TO THE FINAL, UH, CANDIDATE.
AND SO, UH, WANTED TO REPORT THAT THE TIMELINE THAT SHE HAS, UM, PROPOSED THAT NOW IT'S COLORED AND IT'S IN PRINT, IT'S COLOR, SO YOU CAN SEE THE DATES.
UM, I ASKED IF THE TIMELINE IS STILL, UM, STILL VALID.
AND SHE SAID THAT AT THIS TIME, SHE STILL FEELS GOOD ABOUT THE TIMELINE, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF A NEW DIRECTOR BY MID TO LATE JUNE, WHICH, UH, WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD HAVE ONE MORE MEETING.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE IN BETWEEN THE JUNE AND OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE WHEN A DIRECTOR IS, UH, IS HIRED, MR. CHAIR.
HAVE THEY CUT OFF THE APPLICATIONS FOR, UH, AT THESE 30? OR CAN THEY TAKE MORE APPLICATIONS? WELL, I BELIEVE THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN 30 THAT HAVE COME IN.
I THINK, I MEAN, MAYBE I'M OVER A HUNDRED, MAYBE APPLIED.
UH, NOT EVERYONE WAS QUALIFIED FOR IT.
AND SO, UH, THERE WERE 30 THAT THE POLL HIRE THE FIRM AND THE INTERIM CITY MEASURE FELT, HAD THE QUALIFICATIONS NECESSARY TO BE CONSIDERED AS A CANDIDATE.
IS THERE A CUTOFF DATE FOR APPLICATIONS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I BELIEVE IT MAY BE CUT OFF ALREADY.
I DO NOT KNOW, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT IT'S CLOSED OR NOT.
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AND I DON'T THINK WE, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING PULL HIRE ON HERE.UH, I DON'T THINK THEY, THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE, IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE.
UH, THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THEY HAD A NICE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT THEY, OF ORGANIZATIONS THEY CONTACTED.
BUT I NOTICED THAT THE J TURNER LEGAL ASSOCIATION IS NOT ON THAT LIST.
AND J TURNER LEGAL ASSOCIATION IS THE ORGANIZATION OF BLACK ATTORNEYS IN DALLAS.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU SHOULD REACH OUT AS CHAIR TO POLL HIRE, AND IF THE, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS IS STILL OPEN, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT J TURNER NEEDS TO BE CONTACTED AS WELL, CONSIDER IT DONE.
TOMORROW I WILL, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, REACH OUT TO POLL HIRE AND REQUEST THAT THEY, UH, LOOK IN, HAVE, MAKE COMMUNICATION, UH, WITH THEM, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, IF THE JUDGE COULD MAYBE REFER THEM TO WHO THEY NEED TO BE TALKING TO, TO LIKE, MAKE THE PROCESS MORE.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE, THAT YOU COULD POTENTIAL, UH, GET THEM A CONTACT PERSON OVER AT JAIL TURNER? YEAH.
TO TALK TO, TO SPEED THE PROCESS UP? UM, DR. GILBERT SMITH HAS A MUCH MORE CLOSE CONTACT, I BELIEVE, WITH J TURNER THAN I DO.
WE'RE KIND OF OUT OF THE, OUT THE MIX.
DR. GILBERT SMITH, I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU THEN, AND, AND MAYBE IF YOU COULD PROVIDE A CONTACT FOR ME, WE'LL, WE'LL REACH OUT AND I'LL, I'LL GIVE THAT CONTACT DIRECTLY TO PULL, HIRE.
THAT'S SOUNDS LIKE A BIG DEAL.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? I, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I JUST HAVE, UH, A STATEMENT.
I HOPE THAT, UH, I HOPE THAT, THAT WE CAN MEET THAT DAY.
BUT I ALSO HOPE THAT, UH, WE CAN REACH OUT TO JAIL ALTERNATIVE TO SEE, UH, IF ANY OTHER CANDIDATES COULD BE, UM, INTERVIEWED.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HERE IN JULY.
SO IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN JUNE, WE'RE LOOKING AT FALL.
AND I USUALLY TAKE VACATION IN THE FALL BECAUSE THE WEATHER'S BETTER.
SO I'M, I'M JUST HOPING WE GET IT DONE BEFORE THE FALL.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON, UH, THIS AGENDA? ITEM? OH, MS. STEINFELD, UH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS? OH, I'M SO SORRY.
YOU MIGHT BE ON, STILL ON MUTE.
ERIC, IS THERE A WAY TO, UH, TO, TO MUTE HER FROM YOUR, TO UN TO UNMUTE HER FROM YOUR COMPUTER? I, I GOT IT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'M SORRY ABOUT, ABOUT THAT, THAT YOU CAN HEAR YOU, MS. STEINFELD? YES.
UH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? YES.
SO, IF WE'RE GONNA GO OUT TO JL TURNER, DON'T YOU THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO GO OUT TO THE HISPANIC BAR ASSOCIATION AND THE ASIAN AMERICAN, UH, UH, BAR ASSOCIATION AS WELL? THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE LIST.
CHAIRMAN, IF YOU COULD JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT TO MAKE SURE.
THE, UM, DALLAS ASIAN AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION AND DALLAS HISPANIC BAR ASSOCIATION ARE BOTH ON THE LIST OF CONTACTS FROM POOLEY HIRE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, MS. STEINFELD.
AND, UH, YEAH, THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY HAVE BEEN CONTACTED.
WITH, UH, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.
AND THAT IS AGENDA ITEM THREE C3 C, AND THIS IS A REPORT ON SENATE BILL FOUR, UH, THE, THE SENATE BILL SB FOUR, POLICY INTRODUCTION, POLICY IMPLICATIONS, AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
AND THIS WILL BE CONDUCTED BY THE OCPO POLICY ANALYST, SIERRA ABBA.
SO SIERRA, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES YOU AT THIS TIME FOR THIS PRESENTATION, UH, FOR THE BOARD TO LEARN MORE ABOUT SB FOUR AND THE IMPLICATIONS ON POLICING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND THIS, THIS, I BELIEVE TONY RODRIGUEZ.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING, UH, RODRIGUEZ IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DALLAS BROWN BERES.
SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE AS WELL.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE MORE SPEAKER HERE, UH, SARAH CRUZ, WHO IS WITH A CLU BORDER AND IMMIGRATION RIGHTS STRATEGIST.
AND THE CHAIR WILL, WILL RECOGNIZE MR. RODRIGUEZ AND ALSO MS. CRUZ, UH, FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM AS WELL.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS SIERRA OBASI.
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I AM THE POLICY ANALYST, AND MR. WILLIAMS, OUR OUTREACH SPECIALIST, HE AND I WILL BE PRESENTING ON SB FOUR.SO, SB FOUR WAS PASSED DURING THE 88TH TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND PASSED INTO LAW AND SIGNED BY GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT.
IN 2023, SB FOUR CRIMINALIZES A LEGAL ENTRY INTO THE STATE OF TEXAS FROM A FOREIGN NATION.
ORIGINALLY, IT WAS A CIVIL OFFENSE, AND NOW IT HAS MOVED TO A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR WHERE YOU CAN SERVE UP TO SIX MONTHS OF JAIL TIME.
THIS LAW ALSO ALLOWS LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO NOT ONLY INQUIRE ABOUT YOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS, BUT ALSO DETAIN YOU, IF FOUND WITH REASONABLE SUSPICION.
THIS ALSO AUTHORIZES STATE JUDGES TO BYPASS FEDERAL PROCEEDINGS AND EXECUTE DEPORTATION PROCEEDINGS.
NOW, CURRENTLY, THIS LAW IS IN STAY.
AND, UM, I HAVE SARAH CRUZ FROM ACL U, WHO WILL GO MORE IN DEPTH ON THAT, THE LEGALITY OF SB FOUR AND THE CURRENT STATUS.
THE GOALS OF OUR OFFICE WERE TO GATHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO HEAR SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS AND THE IMPACT OF SB FOUR.
SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE MET WITH WERE THE BROWN BERET, DFW CHAPTER HERE, MR. THE CHAIRMAN, ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ, THE ACL U, PROTO ANTE LULAC, AND THE CITY OF DALLAS'S IMMIGRATION AFFAIRS OFFICE.
OUR, OUR JOB AND GOAL AS AN OFFICE IS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON CERTAIN RESOURCES LIKE SP FOUR, AND INFORM THEM OF THE IMPACTS IN, OF THE IMPACTS, AND ALSO THE INTERACTIONS WITH DPD, WITH KNOWING THEIR RIGHTS.
AND IN THOSE CONCERNS, WE RELAY THOSE TO DPD.
SO WHEN THEY HAVE REVISIONS ON THEIR GENERAL ORDERS, THEY ARE EQUIPPED TO BETTER ASSESS THE COMMUNITY.
AND NOW I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR MR. WILLIAMS FOR THIS SLIDE.
UH, O-C-O-C-P-O STEPS, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE'LL WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY GUIDELINES TO ADDRESS SBR, UM, SP FOUR CONCERNS.
UM, IN DOING SO, UM, WE SHOULD BE PROACTIVE WITH SP FOUR BY BEING PREPARED, KNOWING YOUR RIGHTS WHILE INTERACTING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WE WANT TO GEN GENERATE VITAL CONTACTS AND INFORMATION.
SO, UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE A FAMILY PLAN TO DEAL WITH THIS.
UM, IF ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS IS DETAINED, HAVE THE INFORMATION EMERGENCY CONTACTS UP TO DATE, ALSO WITH YOUR CHILDREN IN SCHOOL AND CHILDREN IN COLLEGE, TO KEEP THEIR INFORMATION UP TO DATE.
AND SO IT CAN BE EASILY ACCESSED.
AND WE ALSO WANT TO IDENTIFY LOCAL IMMIGRATION AND, AND CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEYS IN THE AREA.
LIKE THE PREVIOUS, UM, PREVIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE MENTIONED, UM, DALLAS BROWN BERETS, AND ALSO, UM, IM IMMIGRANT RIGHTS ATTORNEYS.
THEY HOLD, EXCUSE ME, THEY HOLD, UM, CONFERENCES AS WELL AS MEETINGS TO INFORM THOSE WHO HAVE CONCERNS OF SB FOUR AND FAMILY MEMBERS.
UM, YOU CAN FIND THESE, UM, SEMINARS AND INFORMATIONS THAT, UM, LOCAL IMMIGRATION LAW FIRMS AND ALSO ACL U, UM, ALSO PROVIDE SOME OUTREACH FOR THAT, UM, SITUATION.
COMMUNITY ORGAN ORGANIZATIONS WHO CAN ASSIST THE INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS.
UM, PLEASE LOOK AFTER YOUR CHURCHES.
THEY HOST, UH, SEMINARS TO, TO BETTER YOUR YOURSELVES AND KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.
AND WE WANT TO CREATE NUMBERS AND CONTACTS AND HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON FILE SO YOU CAN ACCESS THOSE, UM, CONTACTS IMMEDIATELY.
AND ALSO TO HELP ORGANIZE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UM, APPARATUSES AS, UM, AS MENTIONED TO, TO BE WHERE THE ACTION IS, IF THERE'S A RALLY OR EVEN INFORMATIONALS, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE SO YOU CAN BETTER, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THIS GONNA DO FOR YOUR FAMILY AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY AROUND YOU.
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SOME OF THE CONCERNS REGARDING SB FOUR, UM, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS WERE RACIAL PROFILING BEING INCREASED DUE TO THAT, THE LANGUAGE IN SB FOUR, THE REASONABLE, THE REASONABLE SUSPICION COULD INCREASE RACIAL PROFILING IN IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES.THE NEXT CONCERN THAT MR. RODRIGUEZ ACTUALLY, HE ASKED ME, WHAT DOES SB FOUR LOOK LIKE FOR OUR GRANDPARENTS AND OUR PARENTS, THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS, BUILDING A LIFE AND BUILDING A FAMILY.
AND SO HIS FEAR WAS, HOW WILL SB FOUR IMPACT THOSE FAMILIES? UM, ANOTHER MAIN CONCERN WAS CRIME REPORTING DETERRENT.
SO IF YOU ARE UNDOCUMENTED, YOU MAY DETER, MAY BE DETERRED FROM GOING TO THE POLICE IF YOU HAVE BEEN A WITNESS OF A CRIME, OR IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED CRIME DUE TO THE FACT YOU JUST BEING UNDOCUMENTED.
UM, THE LAST MAIN CONCERN IS OVER POLICING.
AND AS WE KNOW, THE POLICE PRESENT, THE POLICE PRESENCE IS VERY PREVALENT IN BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.
AND SB FOUR, IF THIS LAW GOES INTO EFFECT, THEIR PRESENCE WILL INCREASE BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING, THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE THIS LAW.
THEIR PRESENCE WILL INCREASE IN IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES.
NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT TO HEAR FROM THE OCPO OFFICE, I HAVE INVITED TWO PEOPLE FROM THOSE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE GOT TO MEET WITH.
I HAVE MR. ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ, WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BROWN BERETS, DFW CHAPTER.
AND ONLINE I HAVE MS. SARAH CRUZ, WHO IS A PART OF THE A-C-L-A-C-L-U, AND SHE'S THE POLICY AND ADVOCACY STRATEGIST.
I WILL ASK MR. RODRIGUEZ A SERIES OF QUESTIONS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HIS, HIS CONCERNS AND GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HIS ORGANIZATION, AND ALSO LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIM.
AND THEN I WILL FOLLOW UP AND GIVE SARAH CRUZ THE FLOOR TO, SHE ACTUALLY HAS A PRES PRESENTATION THAT WILL SPEAK TO THE CURRENT STATUS OF SB FOUR.
AND THEN I WILL ASK HER ONE LAST QUESTION AND THEN OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
UH, HELLO, MY NAME'S ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ.
I AM THE CHAIR OF THE BROWN BRAYS IN DFW.
UM, TO THOSE THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE BROWN BERETS DFW CHAPTER, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION? UH, YES.
WE'RE, UH, LIKE I SAY, WE'RE THE BROWN BERES IN DFW, BUT THE ORGANIZATION IS THE BROWN BERES.
UM, WE STARTED IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS ERA, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, STARTED BY STUDENTS, UH, THE WALKOUTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, PROTESTING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, THAT WEREN'T HELPING US, UH, PROTESTING POLICE BRUTALITY.
UM, SINCE THEN, WE HAVE GROWN INTO JUST PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO ANY ATTACKS LIKE ASB FOUR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, GET, GET OURSELVES INVOLVED AND TRY TO HELP OUT IN THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
SO THE ORGANIZATION IS NOT VERY DEFINED BECAUSE WE REALLY DO JUST SAY WE'RE LIKE THE VANGUARD OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT COULD BE IMMIGRATION, IT COULD BE EDUCATION, HOUSING, THE POVERTY OVER POLICING, RIGHT? INCARCERATION RATES.
SO WE JUST TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE, THE PROBLEMS THROUGH THE LENS OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE BEING ADDRESSED IN THAT WAY.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE JUST A PIECE OF THE PIE, RIGHT? WE'RE A BIG PIECE OF THE PIE NOW.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACT LIKE IT
HOW DID YOU GET STARTED WITH THE BROWN BERETS DFW CHAPTER? UH, REALLY IT WAS JUST, UH, FOR MYSELF.
UH, IT'S REALLY A REDEMPTION THING.
UM, I GOT, I WAS, I GOT CAUGHT UP IN A LOT OF THE, UH, THE TRAPS THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR YOUTH AND OUR COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? SO I MADE A LOT OF BAD CHOICES.
UH, ME WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE BACK TO MY COMMUNITY, BE, YOU KNOW, BE A GOOD PART OF IT, AND TO BE A GOOD EXAMPLE TO OTHERS, RIGHT? UH, THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE OLD PATTERNS, RIGHT? SO FOR ME, IT WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE BACK, UH, START OFF WITH THE CHURCH, GOING TO HOMELESS, UH, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS OUTREACH, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THROUGH RESEARCH EDUCATION, YOU START REALIZING THE ROOTS OF THESE PROBLEMS AND, YOU KNOW, SO NOW I TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE DIRECTLY.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN THE CHAIR AND WHAT PROMPTED YOU TO TAKE ON THAT ROLE AT EVOLUTION? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T SAY, OH, I'M, WELL WAKE UP, BE AN ACTIVIST, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, ONE THING I, I DO IS THAT IF SOMEBODY ASKS ME, I ALWAYS SAY YES.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE HOW SCARED I AM, YOU KNOW, BEING A NEW ENVIRONMENT, I WILL SAY YES.
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DOING THAT HAS OPENED DOORS AND DOES ME DOING THE WORK.SO NOW WE HAVE TO BE AN ORGANIZATION.
'CAUSE THERE'S, WE HAVE TO STAY ORGANIZED SO MANY OF US, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THE ORGANIZATION DOESN'T LEAVE THE MISSION.
THE MISSION LEADS THE ORGANIZATION.
AS YOU KNOW, SB FOUR IS A LAW THAT HAS NOT BEEN ENACTED JUST YET.
UM, BUT IF IN, IF ENACTED, DOES THIS PLACE TARGETS ON IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES? AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS FROM YOUR COMMUNITY? I MEAN, IT MOST DEFINITELY PLACES A TARGET ON THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF IT, IS PLACING TARGETS ON IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES.
UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM YOUR COMMUNITY? OH, WELL, JUST LIKE THE SLIDE, UH, THE SLIDE BE THE FAMILY SEPARATION, THE OVER-POLICING, RIGHT? AND, UH, JUST THE SUSPICION THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE UNDER THAT WE ALREADY DO, RIGHT? SO OVER-POLICING ISN'T, ISN'T A NEW, UH, TERM WE'VE HEARD, RIGHT? WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DEALING WITH THIS, RIGHT? DALLAS, YOU KNOW, WE ALL REMEMBER, RIGHT? GEORGE FLOYD.
SO WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS, RIGHT? UH, COMING FROM A PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALSO WORKED AS A VIOLENCE INTERRUPTER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO THIS ISN'T JUST COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WE WOULD GO TO THE POLICE STATIONS AND MEET WITH THE WATCH, YOU KNOW, AND THEY DO THE CHANGE OF WATCH.
ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT WAS GIVEN TO US AS VIOLENCE INTERRUPTERS, OUR MAIN ROLE WAS TO HELP BRIDGE SOME OF THAT, UH, MISTRUST THAT, YOU KNOW, EXISTS BETWEEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, CITY OF DALLAS, SOMETIMES IN GENERAL, AND THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY ITSELF, RIGHT? SO THIS, IN NO WAY WILL IT HELP, RIGHT? IF WE'RE TRYING TO TELL THEM TO NOT BE AFRAID OF THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS.
THEN IT'S MOST DEFINITELY NOT GONNA SERVE YOUR PURPOSE.
IT'S ONLY GONNA DEEPEN THAT DIVIDE, UH, CREATE MORE, UH, SUSPICION OF AUTHORITY.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS GROWTH OR SAFETY, RIGHT? UM, I'LL FINISH WITH THIS.
THE LESS OUR COMMUNITY FEELS COMFORTABLE CALLING FOR HELP, THE MORE TROUBLE WE'RE IN.
SO YOU'RE, THIS IN NO WAY HELPS OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT KEEP US SAFE AT ALL.
AND HOW EXACTLY ARE YOU HANDLING THOSE CONCERNS? IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING.
'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A COMMUNITY, UH, GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION, THERE IS VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO, RIGHT? WE CAN ORGANIZE THE, THE PEOPLE, UH, POINT 'EM AT THE DIRECTIONS, LIKE COMING HERE, RIGHT? SHOWING THEM, HEY, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE DO WITH BROWN BERETS IS WE POINT PEOPLE TO RESOURCES, RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES THEY, THEY WON'T KNOW MILE DOWN THE ROAD THERE'S SOME FOOD, RIGHT? SO, UM, BRIDGING THAT WOULD BE LIKE, TRYING TO HELP THEM, LIKE KNOW THE UNDER, UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING, RIGHT? WHAT THEY CAN DO, WHAT RIGHTS THEY HAVE, IF ANY.
RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD COMMUNITY, UH, EVENTS, RIGHT? WHERE WE HAVE LIKE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND WE INVITE THEM.
WE HAVE LAWYERS AND STUFF, RIGHT? AND WE GET TO A POINT, IT'S VERY SAD WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM, AS, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES GO INTO EFFECT AND THEY START ASKING YOU ABOUT YOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS, JUST BE QUIET.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO PAST THAT POINT.
YOU, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN MAYBE GET YOURSELF MORE IN TROUBLE.
SO IT'S VERY LITTLE PROTECTION THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, I HEARD SOMEBODY HERE EARLIER SAY, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? FOR THEM TO BE PROTECT, TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY, AND TO CREATE THAT SAFETY, RIGHT? SO HOW ARE THEY GONNA FEEL SAFE WHEN IT'S THE POLICE ASKING THEM THESE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND ONE LAST THING THAT DOES NOT GET TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THERE ARE AMERICAN CHILDREN WHOSE LIVES ARE AT STAKE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY PARENTS THAT MIGHT NOT, THERE MIGHT NOT BE DOCUMENTED, DO DEFINITELY HAVE AMERICAN CHILDREN, RIGHT? SO WHAT ABOUT THEM? RIGHT? SO IT'S A VERY VAGUE, NOT THOUGHT OUT.
THE REPERCUSSIONS THAT THIS WILL HAVE WILL HURT OUR COMMUNITY AND THOSE ENTRUSTED BY KEEPING IT, OF KEEPING IT SAFE AND STUFF, IT'S GONNA HURT US ALL.
SO IF SB FOUR GOES INTO EFFECT, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT DPD TO CONSIDER? I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF TIES HANDS, RIGHT? SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY CHANGED THE LANGUAGE.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE HAD TO ASK, RIGHT? IF THEY DIDN'T ASK, THEN THEY WOULD BE IN TROUBLE THE SAME WAY THE JUDGE HAS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE HIM SO MUCH TIME OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? SO WHAT CAN THEY DO, RIGHT? ARE THEY NOT TYING THEIR HANDS? HOW ARE YOU, ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO POLICE A COMMUNITY
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WHEN SOMEONE THAT'S NOT EVEN IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT HAS NOT, DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DAY TO DAY IS TELLING YOU HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TREAT THESE PEOPLE, IS TELLING YOU THAT THEY'RE SUSPICIOUS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THEY'RE TREAT 'EM UNDER SUSPICION, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT TYPE STUFF? I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE HOW CAN YOU TELL WHO HAS PAPERS? WHO DOESN'T? YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND MY COUSIN.YOU CAN'T
SO YEAH, THERE'S VERY LITTLE I FEEL THAT THE DPD CAN DO, OTHER THAN THEY THEMSELVES SPEAK UP AGAINST THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY THEMSELVES SAY THIS IS NO GOOD.
THEY THEMSELVES SAY, WE DON'T WANT THIS.
THIS IS NOT HELP OUR JOB AT ALL.
IT ADDS BURDEN TO US TO, WHAT I HEAR IS ALREADY AN OVERSTRETCHED POLICE, RIGHT? IT'S A OVERBURDENED POLICE.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHANTOM PROBLEMS HERE, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE A HOMICIDE RATE.
WE DO HAVE A DRUG ADDICTION RATE.
THOSE ARE REAL PROBLEMS THAT WE DEAL AS A CITY.
SO I, I WISH THEY'D SPEAK UP ON THAT A LITTLE MORE.
UM, MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU IS, FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT DOES THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SB FOUR MEAN TO YOU? OH, MAN.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK, RIGHT? A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT AS ORGANIZATIONS LIKE BROWN BERETS AND JUST ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUSH AND PUSH AND ASK AND ASK DEMAND RIGHTS, THAT HAS ALLOWED FOR A LOT OF FACES TO BE HERE THAT I SEE RIGHT NOW.
WE OWE THEM A GREAT DEBT, RIGHT? THOSE GREAT CHAMPIONS OF OURS.
UM, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS IS DEFINITELY A STEP BACK.
UM, AND OUR COMMUNITY SEES THAT IF AT ANY POINT THE SYSTEMS THAT HAVE GOVERNED US WANTED US TO BE INCLUDED, THEN THIS IS NOT IT, RIGHT? THIS IS TOTALLY AGAINST THAT, RIGHT? WE ARE NOT BEING CELEBRATED FOR THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE.
YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH THAT NORTH DALLAS HAS EXPERIENCED, YOU KNOW, CORRELATES WITH IMMIGRATION POPULATION, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE'VE HELPED BUILD THESE ROADS.
UH, MY STEPDAD HAD TO MOVE BACK TO MEXICO BECAUSE OF THE FEAR THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, INJECTED INTO TEXAS, RIGHT? THE FEAR OF FAMILIES HAVING, UH, OF NOT BEING SAFE AND SECURE.
SO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SB FOUR IS A HORRIBLE STEP BACK.
IT ONLY BRINGS BACK THE OLD MEMORIES, RIGHT? THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TRYING TO ERASE OF BRUTALITY, OF INJUSTICE, RIGHT? OF, OF OTHERNESS, RIGHT? THAT WE'VE, A LOT OF US HAVE DEALT WITH.
IF WE DON'T SEE THIS AS THAT, THEN I'M NOT SURE WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION.
YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT YOUR EVERY DAY, BECAUSE THIS IS ALREADY GOING INTO LIKE OUR REAL LIVES HERE, RIGHT? SO SOMEONE'S DRIVING HOME FROM WORK, GONNA GO HOME TO HIS CHILDREN WAITING FOR HIM, RIGHT? WON'T MAKE IT MOM GOING HOME AND GOING TO PICK UP HER SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, CHILDREN AT SCHOOL WON'T MAKE IT FOR WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HAVEN'T VIOLATED A LAW.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MAKING IT A LAW NOW, BUT INITIALLY IT WASN'T.
YOU KNOW, MY MOM, YOU KNOW, SHE'S, I, I AM A CHILD OF AN IMMIGRANT.
WHEN MY MOM CAME OVER, SHE WAS UNDOCUMENTED, RIGHT? I'M WHAT THEY CALL AN ANCHOR BABY
HATE THAT WORD, RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TELLS YOU OF THE FEELING THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO FIGHT AS A COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO WHAT I, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS FOR US, FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS WHEN WE'VE HAD TO FIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LONG MEMORY BROWN BERETS, RIGHT? WE, WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T TAKE THIS AS BEFORE ON ITS OWN BECAUSE I'VE READ THE LEGISLATIONS HAVE BEEN TRIED TO INTRODUCE, RIGHT? THEY AIN'T PASSED.
BUT THERE'S ALSO ATTACKS ON KIDS NOT GOING TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDOCUMENTED, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT JUST PARENTS.
IT'S AN ATTACK ON OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY.
IF THIS GOES, YOU KNOW, GETS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN, WELL THEN I GUESS THE FEARS OF EVERYONE HAD WHEN IT CAME TO BLACK PANTHERS, BROWN BERETS AND PEOPLE LIKE US, RIGHT? WELL, THEY'RE ONLY PUSHING IT.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU CLOSE THE DOORS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THE CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED, AND WE JUST GET PUSHED MORE AND MORE AND MORE FURTHER BACK THAN WHAT ARE WE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN,
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RIGHT? SO, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SB FOUR, IF IT HAPPENS, WOULD BE A TOTAL FAILURE.UM, NOW I WILL TURN OVER FOR SARAH CRUZ, WHO WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US, AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH ONE QUESTION FOR SARAH, AND THEN OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
UM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY CHECKING IN.
SIERRA, DO I NEED TO SHARE MY SCREEN? I SEE MY, MY SLIDES ALREADY UP.
SO, ERIC, CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? OKAY.
SO ERIC IS GOING TO SHARE YOUR SLIDES UNLESS YOU WANT TO.
UM, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE YOUR SLIDES UP FOR YOU.
LET ME GO AHEAD AND MINI MINIMIZE MY WINDOW.
I'M A POLICY AND ADVOCACY STRATEGIST WITH THE A CLU OF TEXAS.
I'M SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND SO I'M HAPPY TO JOIN YOU.
BUT YES, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND SO, UM, VERY QUICKLY BEFORE I START, UM, EXPANDING A LITTLE BIT ON SP FOUR IMPACTS, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO THE A CU IS.
WE ARE THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION OF TEXAS.
WE HAVE BEEN AROUND IN TEXAS SINCE ABOUT 1938 AFTER THE PEON SHELLERS STRIKE IN EL PASO.
UM, UCS FILING LITIGATION, YOU'LL SEE US AT THE CAPITOL.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE US IN THE COMMUNITY ADVOCATING ALONGSIDE, UM, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND SO WE DO ADVOCACY AT ALL LEVELS.
UM, AND WE WORK ON SIX DIFFERENT ISSUE AREAS.
SO BORDER AND IMMIGRANT RIGHTS, REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE, L-G-B-T-Q-I-A, RIGHTS, VOTING RIGHTS, SMART JUSTICE, AND FREE SPEECH AND PLURALISM.
AND SO, UM, SORRY IF THERE'S ANY BACKGROUND NOW NOISE, BUT, UH, SO FOR SOME OF THE SB FOUR IMPACTS, THE WAY I LIKE TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THIS IS SOME OF THESE DIRECT IMPACTS THAT WE WILL SEE IN THE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THESE MORE INDIRECT IMPACTS.
AND SO SOME OF THE DIRECT IMPACTS OF SB FOUR.
AND SO ONE OF THOSE IS, AND SO I'M JUST GONNA EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT SB FOUR DOES.
SB FOUR IS ILLEGAL ENTRY AND ILLEGAL REENTRY.
AND FOR ILLEGAL ENTRY, THERE ARE ONLY THREE PROTECT.
THERE ARE ONLY THREE ABATEMENTS TO PROSECUTION.
THAT IS, IF YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN GRANTED ASYLUM, IF YOU'RE LEGALLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, OR IF YOU ARE A DACA RECIPIENT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SB FOUR DOES NOT ALLOW IS IF YOU ARE ALREADY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALREADY BEEN GRANTED ASYLUM IN ORDER FOR YOU TO ABATE THAT PROSECUTION.
SO IF YOU HAVE CURRENT FEDERAL PROCEEDINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN, THAT, UH, A FEDERAL DECISION HASN'T BEEN MADE ON YOUR CASE, THAT IS NOT A DEFENSE TO, TO SB FOUR UNDER ILLEGAL ENTRY OR ILLEGAL REENTRY BECAUSE THERE ARE NO, UM, THERE ARE NO DEFENSES TO PROSECUTION UNDER ILLEGAL REENTRY.
AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS ABSOLUTELY RESTRICTS THE RIGHT TO ASYLUM FOR ANYBODY WHO IS ARRIVING AT THE BORDER.
UM, THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE CRIMINAL FOR, FOR, FOR ENTERING THE UNITED STATES BETWEEN PORTS OF ENTRY.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO NO PROTECTIONS FOR SURVIVORS OF TRAFFICKING IN SB FOUR UNDER ILLEGAL ENTRY OR ILLEGAL RATE ENTRY.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE ONLY THREE DEFENSES THAT WE SEE, UM, TO, FOR ABATEMENT OF PROSECUTION.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, AND SO, AND YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED EARLIER, THE INCREASE OF RACIAL PROFILING.
SO EVEN WITHOUT SB FOUR, WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TO SEE THE IMPACTS OF STATE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IN TEXAS.
AND THIS IS THROUGH OPERATION LONE STAR.
AND SO THE REASON WE HAVE BEEN FLAGGING WHY THIS WILL LEAD TO AN INCREASE IN RACIAL PROFILING IS BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN OCCURRING FOR THREE YEARS UNDER OPERATION LONE STAR.
WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE AFFIDAVITS THAT SAY THINGS SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY RACIAL RACIST THINGS IN, IN THESE AFFIDAVITS THAT ARE VERY TROUBLING.
UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT THE, THE AFFIDAVITS, BUT WE'VE VERY, VERY TROUBLING.
UM, AND ONE MORE THING IS THAT WITHOUT BEING IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT SITUATED ALONG, ALONG THE BORDER, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND PROBABLE CAUSE FOR, FOR ILLEGAL ENTRY OR ILLEGAL REENTRY WITHOUT SEEING THE ACTUAL PERSON CROSSING THE BORDER.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, THIS WILL FUNNEL MORE PEOPLE INTO OUR JAILS, WHICH IS VERY PROBLEMATIC.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ALREADY ALONG THE BORDER ARE EXPERIENCING A LACK OF JAIL SPACE.
THEY'RE HAVING TO RENT OTHER FACILITIES IN OTHER COUNTIES IN ORDER TO FIT THEIR OWN PEOPLE INTO THESE JAILS.
AND SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE JAIL SPACE, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN THAT HAS BEEN RAISED BY COUNTIES.
AND THIS IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN THAT IS RAISED BY US, BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANNA SEE MORE PEOPLE INCARCERATED AS A RESULT OF THEIR, AN
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INFRINGEMENT ON THEIR RIGHTS.AND THEN LASTLY, THE STATE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT POSES A RISK TO ALL TEXANS.
SO ONE OF THE CAVEATS ABOUT SB FOUR IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
IT IS ALL PEACE OFFICERS THAT WILL BE AUTHORIZED TO ENFORCE SB FOUR.
SO, SB FOUR DID NOT NARROW THE DEFINITION OF A PEACE OFFICER IN TEXAS.
SO THIS IS OUR CONSTABLES, THIS IS OUR SHERIFFS.
THIS IS, UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, A PARK POLICE.
AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT US BEFORE THAT IS VERY, VERY PROBLEMATIC AND IS EVEN, AND IS ALSO CONCERNING TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS THAT IN THE AREAS WHERE SB FOUR CAN'T BE ENFORCED, SCHOOL, COLLEGE CAMPUSES ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THERE.
UM, AND WE HAVE UNIVERSITY POLICE ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
AND SO I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY A FEW LOCATIONS WHERE SB FOUR CANNOT BE ENFORCED.
THAT IS, UM, PLACES OF WORSHIP.
THIS IS A HEALTH FACILITY ONLY IF YOU'RE SEEKING CARE, A SAFE FACILITY, ONLY IF YOU ARE SEEKING CARE.
SO SHELTERS DO NOT FALL UNDER THESE AREAS WHERE SB FOUR CANNOT BE ENFORCED.
UM, SOME OF THE INDIRECT IMPACTS, AND THIS HAS BEEN COVERED BY MR. RODRIGUEZ AND MR. RODRIGUEZ, I JUST WANTED TO ALSO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY.
BUT AGAIN, THIS FEAR THAT IS GOING TO PERMEATE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE THE A CLU HAS BEEN RESPONDING BY DOING, UM, BY DOING ALL YOUR RIGHTS PRESENTATIONS.
WE'VE HAD PHONE BANKS, AND WE'VE HEARD THOSE CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF SB FOUR TAKES EFFECT.
WHAT HAPPENS IF I'M ARRESTED AND MY CHILDREN IS A A US CITIZEN? WHAT IS GOING HAPPEN TO US? AND SO WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO HEAR THOSE CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN VOICING THEIR CONCERNS TO THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS AS WELL.
SO THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE A DISTRUST OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE RELUCTANT TO SEEK SERVICES.
THIS WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE SAW, UM, UNDER THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION FOR PUBLIC CHARGE.
AND SO THIS IS JUST EXTREMELY HARMFUL FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND LIKE MR. RODRIGUEZ SAID, JUST TAKES US SO FAR BACK.
UM, BUT LIKE SIERRA, UH, NEXT SLIDE, LIKE SARAH MENTIONED AS BEFORE, IS CURRENTLY NOT IN EFFECT.
WHAT IS GOING ON IS WE ARE PENDING A RULING FROM THE FIFTH CIRCUIT.
SO I, I'LL KIND OF TAKE YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF TIMELINE OF THE LITIGATION.
SO LAST YEAR, SB SB FOUR WAS PASTORING THE EIGHT, THE FOURTH SPECIAL SESSION OF THE 88TH TEXAS LEGISLATURE.
SOON AFTER WE, OUR ACL NEW NATIONAL OFFICE, THE TEXAS CIVIL RIGHTS PROJECT, WE FILED A SUIT CHALLENGING US BEFORE.
AND THE REASON THAT WE DID THIS WAS BECAUSE WE FIND THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT THE, WE ARE PLACING IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT INTO THE HANDS OF STATE OFFICIALS INTO MAGISTRATES WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO ISSUE ORDERS OF REMOVAL INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THIS.
AND FOR ASYLUM OFFICERS, FOR ASYLUM JUDGES, THERE IS EXTENSIVE TRAINING TO BE ABLE TO, TO ENFORCE, UM, IMMIGRATION LAW.
AND SO WE HAVE, UM, MAINTAINED THIS, THIS ARGUMENT THAT THIS IS A PREROGATIVE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, SHORTLY AFTER THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DID FILE A LAWSUIT CHALLENGING US FOUR, UM, ARGUMENTS THAT WENT BEFORE THE DISTRICT COURT.
AND THAT WAS UNDER JUDGE DAVID EZRA.
HE ISSUED HIS, HE GRANTED A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION, UM, AND THE DECISION, HE WROTE A FAIRLY STATING REPORT OR FAIRLY STATING, UH, DECISION SAYING THAT THREE FACTORS CONTRIBUTED TO WHY THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY INDUCTION.
AND SO IT WAS, THERE WAS A SUPREMACY CLAUSE.
AND THE SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT OF FIRMS STATES MAY NOT EXERCISE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT POWER THAT SP FOUR CONFLICTS WITH KEY PROVISIONS OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAW TO THE DETRIMENT OF US FOREIGN RELATIONS AND TREATY OBLIGATIONS.
AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO SEE THIS IN OUR RELATIONS WITH MEXICO.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SECRETARY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS FROM MEXICO WHO HAS ALREADY, UM, STATED THIS IS COMING THE RELATIONS WITH TEXAS, THAT THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT ANYBODY, UM, WHO TEXAS REMOVES UNDER SB FOUR.
AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS OUR BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER, UM, IN TEXAS.
AND SO THIS IS UNDERMINING A LOT OF THAT RELATIONSHIP, BOTH AT THE STATE AND THEN THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
UM, THE SECOND THING IS JUDGE EZRA RULED THAT SURGES IN IMMIGRATION DO NOT CONSTITUTE AN INVASION, WHICH HAS BEEN THE UNDERLYING, UH, ARGUMENT FOR TEXAS OPERATION LONE.
AND THEN MARCH 4TH, UM, THE SUPREME COURT ISSUED AN ADMINISTRATIVE STAY, UM, THAT WAS EVENTUALLY EXTENDED UNTIL MARCH 18TH, UM, SHORTLY AFTER THIS RULING ON MARCH 12TH.
I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT HERE, BUT,
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UH, THE MEXICAN AMERICAN LEGAL DEFENSE AND EDUCATION FUND MALDEF, UM, ALSO FILED TO, ON BEHALF OF A GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY.SO WE FILED A, A LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF LUPE, UM, ON MARCH 12TH, BUT ON MARCH 19TH.
SO, UH, THE SUPREME COURT ISSUED A SIX THREE RULING THAT SENT THE CHALLENGE BACK TO THE FIFTH CIRCUIT.
AND SO S SP FOUR WAS IN EFFECT FOR ABOUT EIGHT HOURS, UM, UNTIL THE FIFTH CIRCUIT LISTED AN ADMINISTRATIVE STAY THAT PLACED THE INJUNCTION BACK IN PLACE.
UM, SO ALTHOUGH S SP FOUR WAS IN EFFECT FOR EIGHT HOURS, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY ARRESTS OR WERE NO ARRESTS REPORTED UNDER SP FOUR.
UM, AND THEN THE FIFTH CIRCUIT WAS ASKING FOR ARGUMENTS ON THIS DAY TO TAKE PLACE THE FOLLOWING DAY.
UM, THE FIFTH CIRCUIT DENIED, UH, A TWO IN A TWO ONE BULLYING TEXAS MOTION FOR STATE PENDING APPEAL.
AND THEN ON APRIL 3RD, THAT IS THE MOST RECENT MOVEMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN, THAT OUR ORAL ARGUMENTS WERE HELD ON THE MERITS OF THE INJUNCTION.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW WHERE SB FOUR REMAINS IS, WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE FIFTH CIRCUIT WHETHER THEY WILL UPHOLD THE, THE INJUNCTION.
AND SO THAT COULD BE ISSUED ANY DAY NOW.
WE'VE BEEN WAITING, OBVIOUSLY, FOR, FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.
AND, UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT STAYS.
YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY THAT THIS DECISION GOES, WE WILL LIKELY SEE AN APPEAL, WHETHER IT'S FROM US OR FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING FOR THE BEST OUTCOME.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON, ON SB FOUR, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU IS THE SAME QUESTION THAT I GAVE MR. RODRIGUEZ.
FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT DOES THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SB FOUR MEAN TO YOU? YEAH, SO I'VE, I'VE BEEN REFLECTING ON THIS, UM, FOR, FOR SOME TIME NOW.
UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS MY MOTIVATION TO DO THE WORK WORK.
AND SO WHEN I FIRST, AGAIN, FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, THE REASON THAT I STARTED THIS WORK WAS BECAUSE IT WAS BECAUSE OF MY FAMILY.
UM, WHENEVER I HEARD ABOUT IMMIGRATION LINEESE, WHENEVER I VISITED AREAS WHERE THERE WERE REFUGEE CAMPUSES WAS A, A VERY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD.
ALL THAT WENT THROUGH MY HEAD WAS MY FAMILY AND HOW THIS COULD HAVE BEEN MY FAMILY.
UM, AND SO WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SB FOUR, IT WOULD CRIMINALIZE ONE COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS, INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALREADY LIVING HERE, WHO HAVE MADE THEIR, THIS, THEIR, HAVE MADE TEXAS THEIR HOME, WHO WHO'VE MADE OUR COMMUNITIES, THEIR COMMUNITIES, BUT THEN ALSO A CRIMINALIZATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ARRIVING AT THE BORDER FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE, AND THAT'S WHAT HAS ALWAYS STAYED WITH ME AND ALWAYS MOTIVATED ME TO DO THE WORK, IS IN ANY OTHER SITUATION.
IF THIS WAS MY FAMILY, IF THIS WAS MY FRIEND, IF THIS WAS SOMEBODY THAT I KNEW, HOW WOULD I WANT THAT PERSON TO BE RECEIVED? HOW WOULD I WANT THEM TO BE TREATED IN OUR COMMUNITIES? AND LIKE MR. RODRIGUEZ SAID, THIS WOULD JUST UNDO SO MANY YEARS OF PRECEDENT THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN THE HANDS OF, OF, OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT THEN ALSO JUST THE CHAOS THAT IT WOULD CREATE, NOT JUST IN TEXAS, BUT ACROSS THE BORDER.
UM, HAVING SO MANY, IF FB FOUR PASSES, THIS BUILDS A PATHWAY FOR OTHER STATES TO DO THE SAME, WHICH WILL CAUSE ABSOLUTE CHAOS ALONG THE BORDER.
AND IT'S NOT HELPFUL TO US, IT'S NOT HELPFUL TO ANYONE.
IT WILL LEAD TO MORE CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS HAPPENING, NOT JUST ON OUR SIDE OF THE BORDER, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND SO JUST THE IMMENSE HARM THAT IT WOULD CREATE, UM, FOR SO MANY PEOPLE UNNECESSARILY WHEN THERE ARE WAY MORE HUMANE SOLUTIONS THAT CAN BE, CAN BE DONE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING, SARAH.
ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU.
SEF AND, UH, MR. WILLIAMS FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, MR. RODRIGUEZ, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR THE WORDS THAT YOU WERE SHARED, THAT YOU SHARED.
AND ALSO, MS. CRUZ, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AS WELL.
IT'S AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU BOTH HERE AMONG US.
UH, AND THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU BOTH DO IN THE COMMUNITY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD THIS TIME FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE, UH, ADDRESSED TO ANYONE WHO HAS PRESENTED.
AND, UH, WE'LL, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN LIMIT THAT TO ABOUT THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, UH, IF, IF, IF NEEDED AT ALL.
UH, BUT I DO WANT TO ASK THE BOARD IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION AT THIS TIME, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK MR. CHAIRMAN.
YES, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH.
I, I DON'T HAVE A, UH, QUESTION, BUT, UH, MS. CRUZ, UH, I FEEL THE SAME WAY YOU DO.
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CAME HERE, UM, ILLEGALLY TWICE, SO IF THIS WAS IN PLACE, I WOULDN'T BE HERE.MR. PETER, DERRICK GRAM, DERRICK GRAM, DISTRICT SIX.
I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION, BOTH OF YOU, RODRIGUEZ AND, UM, MS. CRUZ AND YOUR CAUSE.
UM, WHEN I THINK OF, UH, SB FOUR, I THINK OF WHEN I GRADUATED FROM PAUL QUINN, UM, I REMEMBER OUR LAST PAPER WE HAD TO WRITE, THERE WAS A YOUNG LADY THERE, AND WE WERE WORKING ON SOMETHING TOGETHER, AND SHE MENTIONED, OH, AND I GOT 'EM TO THE SUBJECT OF HOME.
I SAID, WELL, YOU'D BE, 'CAUSE I'M OLDER THAN THEY WERE.
I SAID, WELL, YOU BE SAFE WHEN YOU'RE GOING HOME.
SHE SAID, YEAH, JUST THINKING ABOUT MY DAD.
I SAID, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR DAD? BUT HE HAD TO GO.
AND SHE JUST KIND OF SAID IT REAL VAGUELY.
AND I, AND I COULDN'T LET IT GO.
SO I SAID, WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN GO? DID HE PASS AWAY? YOU KNOW? AND SHE TOLD ME ABOUT HE HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE HE WAS UNDOCUMENTED A WEEK BEFORE OUR SO-CALLED GRADUATION.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF FAMILY, IT GETS DEEPER BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A CHILD THAT'S FOR TO GRADUATE.
AND I LOVE MY FAMILY, AND I WAS GLAD THEY WERE THERE.
SO WHEN I THINK OF THAT S FOUR, NOT ONLY IS IT A LUDICROUS BILL, BUT IT'S, IT'S IN A, IN A LAND OF IMMIGRANTS OF IMMIGRATION THAT COULD EVEN BE CONCEIVED.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, POWER TO YOU JUDGE VICTOR LANDER, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO COMMEND YOU, MR. RODRIGUEZ.
UH, I KNOW THE BROWN, UH, BERETS AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
I'M OLD, SO I EVEN KNOW WHAT THE BLACK BERETS MEAN.
UH, TRYING TO GET THOSE WHO SEEM TO NOT HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CONSTITUTION REALLY SAYS, TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE ENABLING THINGS THAT JUDGES CAN'T DO.
RIGHT? UM, AND OF COURSE, CI WELL, WELL DONE, WELL SAID, WELL PRESENTED.
UM, SB FOUR IS AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL DOCUMENT, AND IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND IT WAS WRITTEN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
AND IF WE HAVE A SUPREME COURT THAT HAS ANY SENSE AT ALL, THEY'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE ITS UNCONSTITUTIONALITY, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT EN ENABLING.
THEY CALL IT ENABLING JUDGES TO, UM, COUNTY AND COUNTY AND CITY AND STATE JUDGES TO DO IMMIGRATION WORK.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE JUDGE SAYS NO, THAT'S BEYOND MY ABILITY, AND THAT'S BEYOND MY COMPETENCE, BEYOND WHAT I WAS SWORN IN TO DO.
THEN DID WE GO AFTER THE JUDGE? I MEAN, HOW FAR DOES THIS GO? IT'S IN, IT'S INSANE.
AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK Y'ALL ARE DOING.
I'VE JUST HAD TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN MARRIED TO THE LAW FOR 45 YEARS, AND WHEN I SEE THE LAW VARYING, I START TO WONDER WHAT I MARRIED TONGA DISTRICT THREE.
AND MR. MAPLES, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
SO GIVE ME, YOU'RE TIRED, YOU'RE POOR, YOU'RE HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BREATHE FREE.
THE WRETCHED REFUSE OF YOUR TEAMING SHORE.
WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IS
THANK YOU, MS. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MS. SIERRA DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
MR. RODRIGUEZ, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU SINCE THE 50TH OBSERVATION OF SANTOS RODRIGUEZ BEEN WORKING.
HEY, UH, AND IF, IF ANY OF YOU DON'T KNOW THE, THE STORY OF SANTOS RODRIGUEZ, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO
THAT'S, I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD, AND THAT UNBEKNOWN TO ME, PUT ME ON MY PATH 51 YEARS LATER TO ACTIVISM.
SO, UM, HOW DEEP OR HOW INVOLVED IS THE BOARD WILLING TO BE AS IT RELATES TO THE CHALLENGES WE WILL SEE IF THIS IS PASSED? BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA OPEN UP
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A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS FOR US.AND FOR ME, AND I, I, I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW, I I, I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
AND IF I'M GOING TO STEP INTO IT, I'M GOING TO STEP INTO IT AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY ALL, UH, MS. CRUZ, MR. RODRIGUEZ, MR. WILLIAMS, ON JUNE 15TH IN ELM THICKETT, WE WILL BE HAVING A JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION.
THE WORD ABOUT THIS BEFORE NEEDS TO BE OUT.
IT, IT AFFECTS BLACK AND BROWN BECAUSE HAITIANS LOOK LIKE ME.
I WAS RACIALLY PROFILED YESTERDAY WHEN I JUST SIMPLY PULLED OVER.
'CAUSE I NEEDED TO DO A REPORT ON MY IPAD.
AND GUESS WHAT? CEDAR HILL COP COME RIGHT UP BEHIND ME WANTING TO KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING, NOT BECAUSE I WAS PARKED.
I GOT A BIG, I GOT A BIG MARINE CORPS STICK ON THE BACK OF MY TRUCK, BUT BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF MY SKIN.
SO I, I GET IT, BUT I EXTEND THAT OFFER TO YOU.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT SB FOUR THAT YOU WANT TO COME OUT, YOU COME OUT TO MY EVENT AND EVERY OTHER EVENT I DO, AND I DO EVENTS ALL OVER THE CITY.
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS WHAT I DO.
SO I WANNA EXTEND THAT TO YOU, UM, GIVE YOU INFORMATION AS THIS CITY BECOMES MAJORITY MINORITY, AND THIS STATE BECOMES MAJORITY MINORITY, AND THIS COUNTRY BECOMES THE WORLD FIRST, MAJORITY MINORITY SUPERPOWER.
THESE ARE THINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS.
AND WHATEVER YOU NEED ME TO DO, AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY CONTACT INFORMATION, YOU LET ME KNOW BECAUSE THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND WE KNOW WHY IT'S BEING DONE.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF FAMILIES HURT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HURT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
HIGG HIGGIN, FIRST OF ALL, OTHER ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, BUT I ALSO LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I, I JUST WANNA ASK A QUICK QUESTION OF WHAT, SO FOR TO YOU AND TO CRUZ, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE
WHAT IT DOES IS IT EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM THAT ALREADY.
AND SO I, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, UM, IS THERE ANY, WHAT, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO DO? NUMBER TWO, UM, HAVE YOU GUYS DONE ANY RESEARCH INTO LIKE, THINGS FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL AROUND
SO, UH, UH, NUMBER ONE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE BOARD DO, UM, IN LIGHT OF AS BEFORE POTENTIALLY GOING INTO EFFECT? AND THEN ALSO, UH, ARE, HAVE YOU GUYS DONE ANY
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RESEARCH ON SOME THINGS WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADV ADVOCATE FOR WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL, UM, TO LESSEN THE EFFECT OF SB FOUR? MR. RIGGINS, I'M, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.I, I ASKED THE CHAIRMAN, HE SAID I COULD SPEAK REAL QUICK.
OCPO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE.
WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS IN MOTION.
WE, WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT THOSE THINGS TO THE BOARD PUBLICLY, BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING BEHIND, BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THINGS.
AND I, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT THERE AS FAR AS WHAT OCPO IS ALREADY DOING, UM, BECAUSE WELL, THAT'S GOOD, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM ACL U.
I'M, I'M NOT INTERRUPTING WHAT THE WHAT THE A CLU OR, OR MR. I INVITE THAT, THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT HIM HERE.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT ASSURANCE.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN HARD AT WORK.
IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT BEEN EVERYTHING PUBLIC YET.
ALRIGHT, WELL, I TALK LOUD ANYWAY.
UM, I THINK WHAT'S ALREADY STARTING RIGHT NOW IS, IS THE BEGINNING, RIGHT? THE, THE DISCUSSION, THE DIALOGUE, RIGHT.
UM, WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT I'LL, I'LL TRY TO, OR THE BROWN BERETS, WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS THIS FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, RIGHT? BUT WE'RE MISSING SO MUCH THAT WE DON'T EVEN REALIZE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I JUST HEARD, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEONE SAID, WOW, ARE WE READY FOR THIS? AND I'M, I WAS HEARING SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS, I WAS LIKE, WOW, ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS.
SO I WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT.
SO THE DIALOGUE THAT WE'RE HAVING, I THINK IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
DO WE HAVE THIS, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT RIGHT NOW? NO, BECAUSE WE HAD, WE JUST STARTED TALKING.
SO THERE'S THINGS THAT I CAN BRING TO THE CONVERSATION THAT THE A CLU CAN BRING TO THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU CAN BRING TO THE CONVERSATION SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT AS A WHOLE.
SEE, I'M ONLY A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
SEE, I'M VERY AWARE OF THAT, THAT I REPRESENT A CERTAIN PART OF MY COMMUNITY.
THEY RE THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY SEE THE BERET AND THEY'RE LIKE, YES, THAT'S US, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S PART OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT'S GONNA SEE A POLICE OFFICER AND SAY, YES, THAT'S ME.
SO IT'D BE VERY UNFAIR FOR ME TO SAY THAT I REPRESENT MY WHOLE COMMUNITY IF I'M NOT TALKING TO THAT PERSON.
SO US TALKING RIGHT NOW AS A CITY IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
SEE, I, I DO DIRECTLY ORGANIZE WITH THE GRASSROOTS.
I ONLY REPRESENT THAT, RIGHT? BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE THE COMPLETE PICTURE.
SO THIS EXPERIENCE, THESE DIALOGUES, I THINK IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, UM, TO INFORM THE POLICIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN WRITTEN, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU MIGHT MISS SOMETHING.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU, YOU ARE, BUT WE ARE HYPER SUPER FOCUSED ON OUR COMMUNITY, NOT EMPOWERING.
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EMPOWERING A SYSTEM HERE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIND, WELL, HOW CAN THE POLICE LOOK BETTER? NO MAN, WE WANT THE POLICE TO BE BETTER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, SO IT'S NOT A IMAGE THING FOR, IT'S A REALITY WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO GET SOME ACTUAL STUFF HERE.
SO US FOCUSING IN THAT WAY WILL ENRICH THE CONVERSATION.
SO I THINK US BEING HERE TOGETHER IS ENRICHING IT, INFORMING IT.
AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE'LL COME TO A, A SOLUTION THAT WE ALL AGREE ON.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT DOES HAPPEN IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHERE IT'S LIKE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I'M FIGHTING YOU AND YOU'RE FIGHTING ME, BUT WE'RE BOTH FIGHTING FOR USB FOUR.
SO THAT NEEDS TO STOP, RIGHT? SO IT'S HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS LIKE, YOU WELCOME ME INTO MY, INTO YOUR SPACE, THEN WE NEED TO DO LIKEWISE AND WELCOME YOU INTO OUR SPACE.
MS. CRUZ, DO YOU HAVE A, A ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION AS WELL? YES, I DO.
UH, 100% COMMUNICATING WITH IT, WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY IS VERY ESSENTIAL TO, TO TAKING SOME NEXT STEPS, UM, AND, AND HAVING THEM VOICE THOSE CONCERNS, UM, AND THEIR PERSPECTIVES.
UM, SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT COULD, COULD HAPPEN, UM, AT THE LOCAL LEVEL ARE, SO ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT USB FOURS, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, WAS MAGISTRATE JUDGES ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE RETURN ORDERS.
AND THIS CAN HAPPEN, HAPPEN AS EARLY AS MAGISTRATE.
SO THE FIRST APPEARANCE IN FRONT OF A JUDGE.
AND SO PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FUNDING TO LEGAL SERVICES OR ENSURING THAT THERE ARE COUNSEL, UM, AT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS, AT THIS FIRST APPEARANCE FOR PEOPLE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS COULD MEAN LIFE OR DEATH FOR SOME INDIVIDUALS, IF THEY DO, UM, ARE ORDERED REMOVAL AND ARE RETURNED, UM, TO A COUNTRY WHERE THEY MIGHT NOT BE SAFE, OR THEY MAY FALL INTO A VULNERABLE SITUATION.
UM, OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMUNITY IS TO EDUCATE THEM ON WHAT THEIR RIGHTS ARE, UH, AND CURRENTLY.
AND AGAIN, IF IN THE EVENT THAT SB FOUR WILL TAKE, UH, TAKE EFFECT.
SO INFORMING THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE, AND WHAT THEY CAN DO TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.
UM, ALSO SIGNALING, YOU KNOW, TO, TO OUR, TO OUR GOVERNMENT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN ASKING WHEN SB FOUR WAS FIRST PASSED AND WE STARTED DOING OUR ADVOCACY, WE, UM, A LOT OF
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GROUPS STARTED REACHING OUT TO LOCAL OFFICIALS TO SEE IF THEY COULD SIGNAL TO THE, TO OUR STATE THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA SEE, THAT THIS IS NOT THE DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD BE MOVING IN.UM, SO MAKING STATEMENTS OR, OR, OR SOME SORT OF ADVOCACY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO, AGAIN, TO SIGNAL THAT THIS IS NOT THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO.
SO THERE ARE SOME TANGIBLE, UM, STEPS THAT WE CAN TAKE AT THIS TIME.
ANY, ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
BEN FRIEDMAN FURTHER QUESTION.
UM, WELL, UH, COMMENT ON THE QUESTION.
UM, HAVING, UH, BROWN BERETS AND THE A CLU HERE IS AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP IN INITIATING DIALOGUE, I THINK.
UM, BUT I, I ALSO, I KIND OF ALREADY KNOW WHERE THEY STAND AND WHAT THEIR POSITIONS ARE.
UM, AS FAR AS MY ROLE IN CONDUCTING POLICE OVERSIGHT, I'D BE VERY CURIOUS TO KNOW WHERE DPD STANDS ON THIS AND WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOW THEY PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THIS, UM, IF SB FOUR COMES INTO EFFECT.
SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE GET A SIMILAR BRIEFING FROM DPD SO THAT WE CAN, UH, BE PREPARED WHEN THIS GOES INTO EFFECT.
SO I KIND OF KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DPD AND WHERE THEIR SORT OF, WHERE THEIR COLLECTIVE ORGANIZATIONAL HEAD IS AT.
SO, UM, WE CAN, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN'T ASK HER THAT.
I KNOW CHIEF GARCIA, WHEN IT WENT INTO EFFECT, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR.
I MEAN, I CAN'T, I KNOW MS. CRUZ TOUCHED ON IT, BUT THOSE EIGHT HOURS WERE A TERRIFYING EIGHT HOURS, UM, FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, AND, AND, AND SO THE CHIEF WAS ASKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
HE GAVE A STATEMENT, UM, CHIEF OF FORT WORTH ASKED ABOUT IT.
TARRANT COUNTY SHERIFFS GAVE A STATEMENT.
UM, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, GIVE CREDIT TO THE DPD AND, AND CHIEF GARCIA.
THE, THE STATEMENT WAS EXACTLY ON PAR WITH THE TREATMENT THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS GIVEN THIS ISSUE.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, A LEADER AS FAR AS UPHOLDING, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE.
UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ASK 'EM FOR THAT.
I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER ALLOWING THE OFFICE A LITTLE MORE TIME ON OUR SIDE BEFORE ASKING FOR THAT PRESENTATION, IN THE SENSE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AS A POLICY AGENCY, RIGHT, IS TO TAKE THESE ISSUES WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE THE OUTCOME TO ACTUALLY DO SO.
AND SO WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK FOR A PRESENTATION.
I KNOW CHIEF GARCIA, I KNOW THE STAFF.
AND YOU'LL GIVE A PRESENTATION.
I'D LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND MAYBE SHAPE SOME OF WHAT THAT PRESENTATION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE BEFORE IT'S JUST BROUGHT AND PUT IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT OF COURSE, THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
THE BOARD ULTIMATELY HAS THE POWER TO REQUEST THAT.
ANY RESPONSE TO, UH, CHRISTOPHER CLARK'S STATEMENT? DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY BY NEXT MEETING? UH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS BEFORE WE PRESENTED IT BY A FEW MONTHS, SO WE'RE NOT LATE TO THIS, THIS SHOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE, WE, WE KNEW IT WAS TIME TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE STEP ONE, BUT IN OUR CALENDAR, THIS IS NOT STEP ONE.
WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO STEP 10 OR 11.
SO WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE, WE'RE HARDLY WORKING ON THIS.
SO CAN, OH, SORRY, BERNIE, GO AHEAD.
MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS, IS, IS WE KNOW SB FOUR COULD COME INTO EFFECT AT ANY TIME.
AND THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, IS THAT I, I KIND OF WANNA KNOW WHERE DPDS AT BEFORE IT COMES INTO EFFECT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF IT COMES INTO EFFECT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, WE'LL JUST DEAL WITH IT.
BUT THE, THE, THE SOONER I CAN SORT OF KNOW WHERE CHIEF GARCIA IS AT ON THIS, I THINK THE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY IN DALLAS VICE CHAIR.
UM, I THINK IT WAS MARCH THAT CHIEF GARCIA EITHER SPOKE TO THE COUNCIL OR SPOKE, SPOKE TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
UM, I WOULD, THOSE ARE ONLINE.
THOSE, WE CAN VIEW THOSE RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU GO HOME TOMORROW BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THE CHIEF, UH, BASED ON HIS STATEMENT ALSO, UH, IN THE, IN THE FOLLOWING, UH, DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE, UM, WAS SAYING THAT HE'S VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS LAW, RIGHT? UM, AND THAT HE WAS WORKING FOR POLICIES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
SO WHAT I, I THINK THIS WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION.
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LIKED TO HAVE SEEN, UM, IS A CONSOLIDATED BRIEFING WHERE WE GET MR. RODRIGUEZ, AND WE GET MS. CRUZ'S STANDPOINTS ON IT, BUT WE ALSO RECEIVE WHAT DP D'S DOING THAT WAY, WE'RE NOT DOING TWO OR THREE BRIEFINGS.WE'RE GETTING ONE CONSOLIDATED BRIEFING THAT HAS TAKEN EVERYONE'S CONCERNS INTO PLAY IN, INTO ACCOUNT.
UM, SO, UH, OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE, YEAH, WE'RE STANDING BY FOR THIS THING.
UM, BUT BASED ON CHIEF GARCIA'S PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, FOLLOWING HIS, HIS, UH, CONVERSATION WITH COUNSEL AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND, UM, THE SUBSEQUENT ARTICLE THAT WAS RELEASED, I THINK IT WAS ON THE 22ND OF MARCH, 23RD OF MARCH, UM, HE VERY CLEARLY OUTLINES WHERE HE STANDS ON THIS.
SO IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT, I RECOMMEND YOU READ IT.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS.
WE WANT TO BE READY TO TACKLE HARD THINGS THAT ARE GONNA COME OUR WAY AS A RESULT OF WHETHER THIS IS IMPLEMENTED OR NOT.
BUT WHAT WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO DO IS WE DON'T WANT TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO THINKING THAT SOMETHING IS COMING AND THEN THEY STOP REPORTING TO DPD, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE CHIEF MADE IT CLEAR IN HIS COMMENTS, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE DMN ARTICLE ABOUT, UM, HE'S CONCERNED ON HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT CRIME REPORTING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
RIGHT? AND I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT AS WELL, UH, BECAUSE IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, WE HAVE THESE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, AND THEY ARE HARD ISSUES.
AND, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE US BUILDING THAT, SHAPING THAT MESSAGE ALONG WITH MR. RODRIGUEZ, MS. CRUZ, AND CHIEF GARCIA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT THE RIGHT INFORMATION TO OUR RESIDENTS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO, WHERE DO WE STAND WITH, UH, UH, CLARK'S, UH, ASK ABOUT HOLDING TO, HAS THE BOARD FEEL, UH, DO, DOES THE BOARD, UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL, JUDGE MASON? YOUR HONOR, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE I'M, I'M, AGAIN, THE, THE LAW COULD COME DOWN AT ANY TIME.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OF THAT, AND I'M WILLING TO GIVE YOU GRACE, BUT TIME IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON OUR SIDE, BECAUSE IT'S THE ELEMENT OF THE UNKNOWN.
BUT YOU SAID SHAPE, YOU USED THE WORD SHAPE.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY SHAPE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, POLICY.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THE OFFICE HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO, UM, WHEN WE FIRST CAME UP WITH OUR PLAN, MM-HMM,
OUTREACH, HAD A TASK DIRECTOR HAD A ROLE, UM, INTAKE HAD A ROLE, UH, MYSELF, I HAVE A ROLE.
AND SO IT WAS A MULTIFACETED APPROACH TO NOT JUST MEETING COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND GATHERING THEM, BUT TRULY TO CREATE AN APPARATUS FOR NOT JUST INSIGHT INTO WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS NOW, BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO, ON AN ONGOING BASIS, GATHER INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THE COMMUNITY WILL BE.
WE ALSO FORMED THESE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS.
UH, AND I, I WANT TO, ON BEHALF OF THE OFFICE, THANK, UM, ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS FOR THIS, UH, INCLUDING THE ACL U, INCLUDING THE BROWN BERETS, UH, MS. RODRIGUEZ, INCLUDING LULAC, INCLUDING THE OFFICE, UH, FOR IMMIGRATION SERVICES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE'VE BUILT A LOT OF NEW BRIDGES WORKING ON THIS ISSUE.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT COMMUNITY FEEDBACK IS VITAL.
UM, ON THE POLICY SIDE, WE ARE WORKING ON RECOMMENDATIONS.
THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, OF COURSE, WILL IMPACT CERTAIN GENERAL ORDERS THAT CURRENTLY ARE ON THE BOOKS AND WHAT LANGUAGE WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THOSE GENERAL ORDERS, UH, WHAT LANGUAGE THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THOSE GENERAL ORDERS.
UM, BUT BEFORE WE GET TO A POINT OF PUBLICLY DISCUSSING WHAT THOSE PROPOSALS LOOK LIKE, WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH DPD.
WE'RE EXCITED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, NOT COME WITH A BLANK PIECE OF PAPER, NOT COME ASKING FOR SOMETHING, BUT COME WITH IDEAS, COME WITH LANGUAGE, TAKE THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT MATTER,
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EXPLAIN WHY THIS WORD OR THIS WORD COMPORTS WITH LAW, COMPORTS WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW, NOT JUST THE LEATHER.AND IN THAT WAY, WE HOPE TO SHAPE HOW THE IMPLEMENTATION SHOULD LOOK, SHOULD IT COME DOWN, AND HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS RESOURCES AND ACCESS TO THOSE RESOURCES ALREADY BUILT IN, NOT JUST FOR SB FOUR, BUT FOR THE INEVITABLE NEXT VERSION OF SB FOUR THAT WILL COME, IF THEY STRIKE DOWN THIS VERSION.
I REMIND THE BOARD, IF YOU WEREN'T AWARE, BUT THE SB FOUR THAT WAS PASSED THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS A NEW VERSION OF THE SB FOUR PASSED THE PRIOR SESSION.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT DEALING WITH THE HERE AND NOW, IT'S ABOUT CREATING BETTER SYSTEMS, WHICH ULTIMATELY ARE GONNA ALLOW US TO DO OUR JOB BETTER ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES AS BEFORE JUST BEING THE CURRENT ONE THAT WE CAN USE.
SO WITH THAT, WITH THAT WORK YOU MENTIONED, IT'S TURNING MIKE ON WITH YOUR MIC ON.
I, WITH THAT, WITH THAT, ME, WITH THAT WORK YOU MENTIONED, HOW MUCH OF THIS BOARD, HOW MUCH OF THE BOARD WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THAT WORK WITH THAT SHAPING OF THOSE POLICIES? BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR OFFICE CAN'T DO IT BY YOURSELF, RIGHT? WE'RE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO WE WILL BE INVOLVED WITH THAT WORK CORRECTLY.
AND, AND I'VE, I MEAN, I BELIEVE THE CHAIRMAN CAN ATTEST, UH, WE HAVE AN OPEN, OPEN DIALOGUE RELATIONSHIP ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE OFFICE AND ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AGAIN, POLICY WORK IS HARD WORK.
UM, AND SO I, I DON'T JUST WANNA PUBLICLY SAY EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL VERY MUCH IN ITS MOLDING PHASE.
UM, BUT IT IS MY INTENTION FOR, FOR THE BOARD TO PLAY AN ACTIVE ROLE, UM, BEFORE WE ARE, WE TAKE IT TO DPD, UM, SO THAT WE ARE ALL ON ONE OF ACCORD.
SO THEN YOU ALL CAN GO BACK TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ADVOCATE IT FOR IT TOO.
SO YOU'RE, UH, BY NEXT MEETING IN JUNE, YOU, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO, TO PRESENT BEFORE US.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION OF THE BOARD IS, WE'LL, WE'LL HEAR THEIR PRESENTATION FROM THE OFFICE.
DO WE ALSO WANNA HEAR FROM DPD AS WELL, OR DO WE WANNA POSTPONE THAT? HOW DOES THE BOARD FEEL, UH, ABOUT HEARING FROM THE OFFICE? UH, ONLY OR WANNA INVITE THE DPD AS WELL, JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW HOW DPD INTENDS ON RECTIFYING IMPLEMENTING, USE WHATEVER PHRASE YOU WISH.
UM, IF THIS DOES GO DOWN, OR IF THE NEXT ONE GOES DOWN, HOW WILL THEY INTEND ON DEALING WITH IT? BECAUSE AS I READ AS BEFORE, AND I HAVEN'T READ IT SINCE IT PASSED, BUT AS I READ AS BEFORE, THE POLICE ARE GOING TO GET ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL.
THE, UH, JUDGES ARE GOING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL.
AND I NEED TO KNOW HOW, UM, THE DPD INTENDS ON ITS ACCOUNTABILITY.
ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE OTHER COMMENTS, BUT WE JUST, JUST ANOTHER, ANOTHER COMMENT TO CLARK.
I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU TAKING THE TIME TO FORMULATE WHATEVER YOU CALL, I, I'M, I'M LIKE BOARD MEMBER MAPLES, AND I'VE SAID THIS SEVERAL MEETINGS.
UM, YOU ARE SHAPING THINGS THAT WE SHOULD DIRECTLY BE INVOLVED IN HELPING YOU SHAPE, RIGHT? AS THE BOARD.
AND SO I SEE THE POTENTIAL FOR A CONTINUED SILO WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONVERSATIONS WITH DPD THAT WILL GO INTO SHAPING THIS.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND NUMBER ONE, THAT A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS BOARD IS A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ALONG WITH THE OFFICE.
UM, NUMBER TWO, THAT BEFORE ANYTHING IS FINALIZED AND FORMALIZED, THAT WE HAVE A REVIEW PERIOD THAT WHERE WE CAN ADD TO THESE THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T LAID OUT HOW YOUR PROCESS IS GONNA GO, BUT YOU'RE TALKING PROCESS, RIGHT? AND IF WE'RE TALKING PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH THIS BOARD HAS BEEN AROUND FOR FOUR YEARS, THERE ARE STILL SO MANY GRAY AREAS ABOUT OUR PROCESSES AND OUR PROCEDURES.
SO WHEN I GET, YOU KNOW, AS BEING SOMEBODY WHO PUT A LOT OF BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS INTO MAKING THIS HAPPEN, WHEN YOU GET TO TALKING ABOUT PROCESSES, I GET KIND OF SENSITIVE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A GOOD WINDOW INTO PROCESSES SINCE DIRECTOR MCCLARY LEFT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE OFFICE.
NOW, YOU, THE CHAIRMAN MAY BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT PROCESS TRICKLES DOWN TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO TALKING ABOUT PROCESSES SHAPING POLICY, WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE ACTIVE AND UPFRONT AND PROACTIVE ROLE IN THAT.
AND SO WE MAY, UH, AND THANKFULLY WE MAY YEAH.
WHEN WE HAVE THE SUBCOMMITTEES WITH THE POLICY COMMITTEE, THAT MIGHT, UH, SOLVE THAT ISSUE.
THAT'S A GOOD, GREAT POINT ON THAT ONE.
BUT DON'T RUN AND TRY TO GET PAST US BEFORE WE GET TO GET TO THAT POINT.
AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S AMBITIOUS AND YOU TRYING TO GET IT DONE, BUT WE GOTTA CHANGE THE WAY THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE THIS BOARD RIGHT HERE IS GONNA BE WAY MORE PROACTIVE AND WAY MORE,
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UM, UPFRONT WITH BEING INVOLVED IN THOSE VERY, VERY SENSITIVE THINGS LIKE THAT OF MOVING FORWARD.SO, AND BEING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECTOR, UM, UH, RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW THAN IT IS AT ANY OTHER TIME TO BE DEALING WITH THAT.
SO JUST, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.
MR. KIDNER, UH, YOU RECOGNIZED, YEAH, THE HOUR'S GETTING LATE, SO I'M GONNA TRY AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
UM, IT, SENATE BILL FOUR IS, IT'S A TERRIBLE BILL.
IT, IT, IT'S, IT, UH, REFLECTS POORLY ON THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND, UM, I, I HOPE IT DOESN'T BECOME LAW THAT WILL MAKE LIFE A LOT EASIER FOR ALL OF US, INCLUDING ON THIS BOARD.
UH, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED IN TRYING TO MAKE POLICY WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS COMING DOWN AND TELLING THE POLICE WHAT TO DO WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST IT.
BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG, I, I, I, I HOPE THE FIFTH CIRCUIT DOES THE RIGHT THING AND I HOPE THE SUPREME COURT DOES THE RIGHT THING.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE HEARD THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON SOMETHING AND WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
IT SEEMS TO ME SOMETHING AS SIGNIFICANT AS THIS.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UM, MR. CLARK IS WORKING ON.
AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO WORK ON IT, OTHER THAN FOR US TO SAY, AS A BOARD, WE DON'T APPROVE OF SB FOUR.
WE COULD ALL AGREE ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT TO BE IMPLEMENTING POLICY AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT THIS POINT SEEMS AT LEAST SOMEWHAT PREMATURE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT THE BIGGER POINT IS, I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS TO BE KEPT ADVISED OF THIS.
NONE OF THIS NEEDS TO BE IN SECRET.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR MONTHS OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S ALL GREAT, BUT LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANNA HAVE DPD AT THIS INVITE, DPD TO THE NEXT MEETING? HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK WE SHOULD INVITE 'EM.
AND I THINK IF THINGS DEVELOP OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WITH OCPO, WITH BOARD WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE CAN ALWAYS CANCEL.
BUT I THINK IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GO AHEAD AND GET THEM ON THE AGENDA, GETS SOMEONE FROM DPD WHO CAN BE PREPARED TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
AND THEN IF WE OR YOU LATER DETERMINE CLOSER TO THE JUNE MEETING THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARY OR THAT IT SHOULD BE POSTPONED, THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT, OR IS THAT JUST A MOTION? I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION.
JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT A, I'LL MOVE THE DPD BE INVITED SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT, UH, HOW THEY INTEND ON DEALING WITH SB FOUR.
IF SB FOUR PASSES AND IS, UM, AUTHORIZED.
AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC WITH DPD AS TO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.
ANY SECOND DISTRICT? FOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THE OFFICE WILL BE EXTENDING AN INVITATION TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO, UH, POTENTIALLY PRESENT ON THEIR, UH, THEIR VIEW ON SB FOUR.
UM, AND WE'LL MAKE THAT JUDGMENT CALL WHETHER, UH, WE NEED TO POSTPONE EARLIER, CLOSE TO THE DATE.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR OUR, UH, SPECIAL GUESTS WHO ARE HERE.
UH, REALLY WAS A JOY TO HAVE YOU HERE FOR HAVING US.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK THEM FOR COMING OUT.
UM, SARAH CRUZ, I KNOW YOU'RE TRAVELING AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY BUSY, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT AND SHARING.
AND MR. RODRIGUEZ, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING IN PERSON AND ALSO SHARING AND GIVE US, GIVING US INSIGHT.
REALLY WAS AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU.
IF WE LOOK, LOOK TO THE AGENDA, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY, UH, TALKED ABOUT ITEM 3D, CHAPTER EIGHT.
UH, SO WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM THREE E, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ABOUT THE ELL LANE, UH, CITY MANAGER REVIEW UPDATE, UH, TWO BITS OF GOOD NEWS.
UH, THE OFFICE DID, UH, SEND OUR REQUEST, UH, FROM THE BOARD TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, UH, KIM TOLBERT, TO REVIEW THE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE DIELLE LANE CASE.
UM, AND I REMEMBER AT THAT MEETING, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH LOOKED AT ME IN THE EYE AND SAID, I'M GONNA HOLD YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE.
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UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO GET A MEETING WITH, UH, THE DE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, KIM TOVER.SHE'S A BUSY WOMAN, AND SHE'S, SHE'S CHANGED OFFICES, YOU KNOW, FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
SO, UH, THE DA THE DAYS WERE GETTING CLOSE WHERE I HADN'T MET WITH HER YET.
I TRIED TO REQUEST SOME MEETINGS AND THEY HAD TO RESCHEDULE.
AND I KEPT HEARING DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH IN MY EAR, HOLD HER.
BUT THANKFULLY, UH, SHE WAS GRACIOUS AND GAVE ME A CALL LAST NIGHT SO I CAN, UH, I CAN REPORT THAT, UH, SHE HAS READ OUR REQUEST.
SHE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO MEET WITH, UH, THE CHIEF THIS, UH, FROM THE MEETING WHEN SHE RECEIVED THE LETTER TO, UH, WHEN I TALKED TO HER LAST NIGHT, 'CAUSE OF TRAVEL AND, AND NEW JOBS AND OFFICES.
BUT SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE'D LIKE TO COMMIT TO THE BOARD WHEN SHE COMES BACK NEXT WEEK, UH, IN TWO WEEKS, SHE'S GONNA GIVE US A RESPONSE.
AFTER REVIEWING, SHE NEEDS TO MEET WITH CHIEF GARCIA.
SHE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND, GET CAUGHT UP TO SPEED ABOUT WHAT THE, THE CASE WAS, AND, UH, GET A BRIEFING.
AND, UH, SHE COMMITTED TO GIVING US, UM, A, UH, A REPORT FROM HER, UH, A MESSAGE FROM HER IN TWO WEEKS ABOUT HER, UH, LOOKING INTO THIS AND HER RESPONSE TO THE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, ON THIS ONE MONTH? NOW, I'M GONNA HOLD, OH, MAN.
UM, WE, UH, WE'RE GONNA NOW MOVE TO ITEM THREE F UH, CPOB AND OCPO OUTREACH.
UH, I DID, THANKFULLY, I, I, I CAUGHT UP WITH, UH, UH, KEVIN WILLIAMS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND I GRACIOUSLY ASKED IF WE COULD, UH, POSTPONE HIS PRESENTATION.
I LOOKED AT ALL THE THINGS HE WAS PRESENTING ON TODAY, AND, UH, I ASKED IF HE COULD MAYBE POSTPONE HIS REPORT TO, UH, THE NEXT MEETING.
AND HE GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED THAT, AND HE SAID IT WORKED OUT GOOD.
'CAUSE HE'S ACTUALLY GOT A PRETTY BUSY MONTH IN JUNE AS FAR AS HIS OUTREACH.
AND IT'LL BE A GREAT TIME TO SHARE ALL THE, THE GOOD THAT HE'S DOING IN THE COMMUNITY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND, UH, ANY REPORTS FROM THE, FROM THE BOARD ITSELF ABOUT ANY OUTREACH THEY'VE DONE IN THE COMMUNITY, OR ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW AS A BOARD ABOUT EVENTS WITHIN YOUR DISTRICT, UH, IN THE COMING WEEKS, MONTH, MONTH THAT WE CAN BE A PART OF AND EVEN SUPPORT EACH OTHER IN OUR, UH, PURSUIT TO BE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
ANY UPDATES, UH, FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
I'M JUST GONNA SAY SOMETHING BRIEFLY ABOUT, UH, RIDE ALONG.
UM, YES, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS YOUR TIME.
I WAS GONNA TEE YOU UP FOR THAT.
NO, I JUST, UH, I DID ANOTHER RIDE ALONG, UH, THIS MONTH, UH, WITH DPD, AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY VALUABLE TO DO A RIDE ALONG WITH DPD.
IT'S THE SECOND TIME I'VE DONE IT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
UM, AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT DEALING WITH DPD, UH, WHAT TO EXPECT, WHO TO TALK TO, HOW TO GET IT DONE, JUST, UH, COME SEE ME.
BOARD MEMBER, HIGGINS, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THIS ONE? YEAH.
SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH, BUT AS YOU GUYS KNOW, A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DEAL WITH POLICE TRANSPARENCY, OVERSIGHT, ACCOUNTABILITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I, I TALK WITH THEM REGULARLY.
AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY, UH, DOMINIC ALEXANDER FROM NEXT GENERATION ACTION NETWORK FOR, UM, TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
I KNOW YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS, AND IT'S BEEN SOME, SOME, UM, SOME PRESS ABOUT IT.
SOME OF US WERE, WERE ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED IN A DMN ARTICLE A MONTH OR SO AGO.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WAS A, A, A PROPOSAL TO MOVE THE OVERSIGHT BOARD IN THE OFFICE FROM OUT, FROM UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE COUNCIL, WHICH I'M IN FAVOR OF.
RIGHT? UM, WE HA WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THIS IN, IN OUR BOARD MEETINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I TAKE UPON MYSELF AND BLAME MYSELF THAT I DIDN'T GET IT ON THE AGENDA.
'CAUSE I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT AS A BOARD.
BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO, UH, COLLECTIVELY FIGURE OUT A POSITION ON THAT, UM, BEFORE NEXT MONTH, MAYBE WE DO SOME COMMUNICATION AMONGST OURSELVES OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING, UM, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR POSITION IS ON THAT AND BEGIN TO START TALKING TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT IT AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE IT DID GO THROUGH, IT WAS APPROVED BY THE REVIEW COMMISSION, AND THAT'S GOING UP.
SO THEY NEED TO BE BRIEFED ON THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSONAL OPINION, UH, THAT A LOT OF THE, THE JOURNEY THAT WE'VE HAD
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FOUR YEARS, AND I'VE ONLY BEEN ON BOARD FOR, WHAT, FOUR, FIVE MONTHS NOW.UM, I THINK THAT THAT OR REORG WOULD, YOU KNOW, ALLEVIATE A LOT OF OUR ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING.
AND I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO BE TREATED AS OTHER BOARDS IN THE CITY.
UH, I FEEL LIKE IN A WAY, UH, THIS BOARD IS, IS, IS TREATED LIKE A BLACK SHEEP, UM, IN RELATION TO HOW OTHER BOARDS IN THIS CITY, UH, FUNCTION AND HOW THEY'RE TREATED AND THE RESOURCE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVEN.
SO, UH, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT SERIOUS AND, AND, UM, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT ON AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.
ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE VOTED ON BEFORE THEN, BUT DEFINITELY WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A POSITION.
I'LL BE TALKING WITH THE CHAIRS ABOUT THAT.
HOW WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT THAT.
UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UH, I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF RIDE RIDE ALONGS AND, UH, YEAH, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE A RIDE ALONG, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD DO, MAN.
I, UH, I
WE WEREN'T JUST RIDING ALONG, HE WAS WORKING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I GOT TO SEE THE INS AND OUT, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO, AND I DIDN'T RIDE ALONG.
I KIND OF FOLLOWED THE RIGHT CARE TEAM.
AND THAT WAS AN EXPERIENCE LIKE NO OTHER, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO DON'T NEED THE POLICE.
THEY NEED SOMEONE TO LISTEN TO THEM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE MENTAL EPISODE.
AND THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE HANDCUFFS ON 'EM AND BE SLAMMED TO THE GROUND.
SO TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE RIGHT CARE TEAM, I WAS SO IMPRESSED.
I BOUGHT DINNER, I WAS LIKE, HEY, LET'S, LET'S GO HAVE DINNER NOW.
AND WE WENT TO THE CELEBRATION RESTAURANT OVER THERE IN LOVER'S, AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SEEING IN DISTRICT TWO.
WELL, NOT DISTRICT TWO IN THE EL THICKETT NORTH PARK AREA WHERE THEY PATROL, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, GOES FROM 6 35 ALL THE WAY TO, UH, UT SOUTHWESTERN HOSPITAL.
UH, SO IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT AS WELL, TRY, TRY TO, UH, SCHEDULE SOMETHING WITH YOUR RIGHT CARE TEAM, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY'RE VERY IMPRESSIVE.
AND JUNE 15TH, WE HAVE THE ANNUAL ELM THICKET NORTH PARK, UH, JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION.
I KNOW WE'LL HAVE A MEETING BEFORE THEN, BUT I WANT YOU GUYS TO GET IT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
IF YOU CAN COME OUT, EVERYTHING'S TOTALLY FREE.
UH, MR. WILLIAMS, I NEED, NEED, NEED YOU TO BE, TO BE THERE, CLARK.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF SWAG YOU GOT IN OFFICE, BUT WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU HAVE, HE NEEDS TO BE THERE.
BECAUSE IF WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO TRUST US AND TRUST THE POLICE, YOU GOT TO GET THE COMMUNITY ENGAGED.
WE JUST CAN'T SIT AROUND AND JUST THINK, OH, THEY, THEY GONNA DO WHATEVER.
WE NEED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME UP IN OUR FACE.
WE NEED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, HEY, YOU HAVE THIS AVAILABLE.
IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DPD, YOU HAVE A RESOURCE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO KNOW AREN'T SO TRUSTING.
THE WORST THING YOU WANT IS SOMEONE THAT LIES TO YOU OR SOMEBODY WHO DON'T TRUST YOU.
AND RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE, THE TRUST LEVEL IS TOO LOW, BUT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
ALRIGHT, SO, MR. WILLIAMS, IF YOU CAN GET HIM OUT THERE JUNE 15TH AND ANYBODY ELSE, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? AND, UH, IF YOU DO HAVE, IF YOU WANT INFORMATION ON HOW TO SCHEDULE, UH, THE RIDE ALONG, I'D TALK TO SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT DID IT.
AND, UH, THEY CAN, UH, DIRECT YOU TO HOW THEY DID IT.
AND, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL COMMIT TO THAT.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT TWO RESPECTED BOARD MEMBERS HAVE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT HOW POWERFUL THAT IS, UM, LET'S, LET'S COMMIT TO DOING THAT AS WELL.
I THINK THAT'LL BE REALLY VALUABLE TO US AS A BOARD.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO ITEM 3G.
THIS IS A, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE CPO STANDING COMMITTEES.
ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, UH, WE ARE REQUIRED AS A BOARD TO HAVE, UH, FOUR STANDING COMMITTEES.
UH, AND, UH, SO WE'RE GONNA DO IT, WE'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT THING, AND WE'RE GONNA GET THESE, UH, COMMITTEES UP AND RUNNING.
AND, UH, THE FIRST STEP IN THIS WAS, UH, TO IDENTIFY THE, THE CHAIRS OF EACH OF THESE COMMITTEES.
AND I, I DID RECEIVE, UH, UH, A, UH, SOME, SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE OFFICE, BUT ALSO, UH, SOME OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT WHO WOULD BE REAL GOOD AT, AT, UH, BEING THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE.
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A DESCRIPTION OF EACH OF THESE FOUR.UH, THESE ARE THE FOUR THAT ARE WITHIN THE, THE ORDINANCE.
AND OF COURSE, LATER ON WE CAN CREATE OURSELVES AD HOC COMMITTEES.
SO IF WE WANT ANOTHER COMMITTEE, ALL WE GOTTA DO IS AS A BOARD, CREATE THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE.
BUT THESE FOUR NEED TO BE A PART OF OUR OPERATIVE OR OPERATIONS.
AND SO, UH, THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF EACH OF THESE COMMITTEES ON THE MEMO.
AND, UH, FOR THE POLICY POLICY COMMITTEE, I'VE ASKED BOARD MEMBER CHUNG HIGGINS TO BE THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE, AND HE'S ACCEPTED THAT, UH, REQUEST.
SO HE'LL BE, UH, CHAIRING THAT COMMITTEE.
UH, ON THE OUTREACH COMMITTEE.
UH, I'VE ASKED, UH, BOARD MEMBER JONATHAN MAPLES TO CHAIR THAT COMMITTEE, AND HE GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED, UH, THAT AS WELL.
HE'LL BE CHAIRING THAT COMMITTEE.
UH, FOR THE TRAINING COMMITTEE.
UH, I ASKED DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH IF SHE WOULD GRACIOUSLY, UH, CHAIR THAT COMMITTEE.
AND, AND SHE, UH, GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED.
SO SHE'LL BE CHAIRING THAT COMMITTEE.
AND THEN FOR THE RULES COMMITTEE, WHICH IS ABOUT OUR STANDARD, UH, RULES.
SO IF YOU WANNA TALK MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S THE ONE TO TALK TO.
UH, I'VE ASKED, UH, A BOARD MEMBER, ALLISON, UH, ALLISON, GRANTOR ALLEN, AND, UH, SHE ACCEPTED THAT ROLE.
EACH OF THESE COMMITTEES WILL ALSO NEED A VICE CHAIR.
AND THEN I BELIEVE, UH, FOUR BOARD MEMBERS.
IS THAT RIGHT? OR HOW MANY, IS THERE A LIMIT? UH, THERE CAN'T BE MORE THAN SIX MEMBERS.
SO, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE, IF THERE'S MORE THAN SIX, THEN, THEN IT BECOMES A QUORUM.
AND SO WE'LL NEED TO, FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD.
SO WE'LL NEED TO, UH, LIMIT THE NUMBER TO, UH, SIX AND BELOW.
AND I'LL BE WORKING WITH THE CHAIRS, UH, HERE FROM NOW TO THE JUNE MEETING, UH, AND THE VICE CHAIR TO, UH, KIND OF SET THOSE, UM, APPOINTMENTS.
BUT IF YOU SPECIFICALLY WOULD, LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESCRIPTION THAT ARE ON HERE, AND, AND THERE'S A, A CERTAIN, UM, COMMITTEE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF, UH, PLEASE TALK TO ME, THE VICE CHAIR, JOSE RIVAS, OR ONE OF THE, THE, UH, CHAIRS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
AND AGAIN, SPOTS ARE LIMITED, SO WE'LL NOT, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET EVERYBODY IN THE COMMITTEE THEY WANNA BE IN, BUT WE'D, UH, WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT UP AND RUNNING BEFORE JUNE.
ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CHAIR? YES, DR. LAUREN SMITH.
IN THE PAST, WE WERE, UM, ABLE TO INCLUDE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND, UM, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO, WELL, PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE, UM, CITIZENS FROM THE COMMUN COMMUNITY.
THEY, THEY CAN'T VOTE, BUT WE COULD APPRECIATE THEIR INPUT.
SO, UH, SO I, I THINK THE, THE COMMITTEES ACTUALLY HAVE THE CITIZENS ON THEM UNLESS THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER ON THEM.
OH, SO THERE'S PEOPLE ALREADY ASSIGNED TO THE I KNOW THE POLICY.
I KNOW THE POLICY CAN FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
I KNOW THE POLICY
SO IF WE WANT NEW PEOPLE, THEY'LL JUST NEED TO BE TOLD.
I, I THINK ALL OF THE COMMITTEES HAD PUBLIC MEMBERS, BUT THEY WERE SUB QUARTERLY.
WELL, I, I JUST DON'T THINK ANY OF ME WERE EVER BEING POINTED AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THEY WERE, WE HARDLY EVER MET.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY WERE EVER INCLUDED IN, UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC MEMBERS, WE NEED TO DO A MUCH, MUCH BETTER JOB OF INTEGRATING THEM IN THE PROCESS.
UH, I THINK IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE.
AND THIS IS A NEW ERA, AND I, I REALLY LOVE THE CHAIRS THAT WE HAVE.
I THINK THEY'RE COMMITTED TO TAKING THE TIME TO MAKE THESE SUBCOMMITTEES.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT POLICY, I'M HOPING THAT, UH, THIS WILL ALLOW FOR THE OFFICE AND THE, THE BOARD TO WORK SEAMLESSLY WHEN IT COMES TO CREATING, UH, AND HAVING THAT DIALOGUE.
SO THAT COULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING.
BROTHER MAPLES, YOU, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YES, SIR.
DID, DID YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT I MISSED IN TERMS OF, WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO A QUORUM FOR THE BOARD OVERALL.
THE, THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT CAN BE ON IT HAS TO BE LIMITED.
BUT AS FAR AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THAT THERE, I MEAN, THERE IS NO REASON I SEE NO REASON IN, IN THE RULES TO LIMIT THAT NUMBER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CREATIVITY WITH THAT NUMBER.
IT'S JUST A NUMBER OF THE BOARDS.
ONCE YOU GET TO SEVEN, TECHNICALLY WHEN Y'ALL TAKE A VOTE, IT'S TECHNICALLY A QUORUM FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE BOARD.
WHO DO YOU SAY CHAIR OF THE POLICY? UH, CURRENTLY THE CHAIR OF THE POLICY
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COMMITTEE IS, UH, CHUNK OF HIGGINSHE JUST STEPPED OUT, BUT, WE'LL, YEAH.
HE'S LITERALLY, LITERALLY TALKING TO THE CHAIR.
LITERALLY TALKING TO THE CHAIR.
IT'S AN EMPTY CHAIR, BUT IT'S A CHAIR.
AND LET, SORRY, A MOMENT TO INTERJECT.
WELL, WITHOUT COMMITTING TO THIS, THE, UH, ROBERT RULE REQUIRE A SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBER TO BE A MEMBER OF THE, THAT IS ROBERT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT THEY NEED BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE OUT, MEMBER OF THE, HOWEVER WE LIKE TO TAKE, WE GO BACK TO MAKE SURE WE'RE THIS CORRECT.
AS BUR MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR MAIN ROLE IS ADVISING BOARD.
THEY DON'T HAVE A, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
SINCE THIS BOARD HAS THAT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET RIGHT.
ANSWER, ANSWER, PLEASE LET FOR THOSE, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I AM PUBLIC OUTREACH, SO IT, IT BEHOOVES ME TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WORKING ALONGSIDE ME, SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT THIS BOARD.
CERTAINLY THIS, THIS, WE MAKE SURE, WE'LL, DEFINITELY FOR, FOR THOSE ONLINE WHO MAY NOT HAVE HEARD, UH, JUST THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS LOOKING AT, AT RO ROBERT'S RULES.
AND, UH, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER, UH, IT'S PERMIT PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON A SUBCOMMITTEE, OR DO THEY NEED TO BE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO BE A PART OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE? SO WE'LL BE IN CONTACT WITH THEM FOR THOSE, UH, WHO ARE ONLINE, WHO MAY NOT HAVE HEARD.
UH, BOARD MEMBER SMITH, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE IF THEY COULD ALSO LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY.
THEY MAY NOT BE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, BUT THEY CAN BE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY WITH SOME LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, WHETHER IT'S TRAINING, OUTREACH, ET CETERA.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM THAT.
YEAH, YOU MAY BE A CLARIFICATION.
NON, NON-VOTING VERSUS VOTING, IF THAT'S A DISTINGUISHING.
AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL, I'LL BE IN TOUCH AS WELL WITH THE, UH, THE BOARD, THE, THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS, UH, ABOUT THIS.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY PREFERENCE AT ALL, UH, PLEASE COMMUNICATE TO US AFTER THE MEETING OR, OR TO THE CHAIRS WITHOUT ANY FURTHER, UH, COMMENTS ON, UH, AGENDA ITEM 3G.
LET'S MOVE TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE H, WHICH IS THE REPORT, THE DPD MONTHLY ARREST DATA.
THIS IS A, A REPORT THAT WE RE RECEIVE EVERY MONTH THAT'S ON OUR, UM, IT'S IN OUR BOARD PACKET THAT DETAILS THE MONTHLY ARREST DATA FOR THE, FOR, UH, THIS WAS THE APRIL, 2024.
AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN BASED ON THE, THE CRIME, BUT ALSO THE DISTRICT.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE, UH, THE BOARD, UH, SOME MINUTES TO LOOK IT OVER AND, AND, UH, I'LL GIVE, COME BACK IN MAYBE ABOUT A MINUTE OR SO AND, AND, UH, ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED TO, UH, TO THE OFFICE OR, UH, TO, TO A BOARD MEMBER.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, FROM THE BOARD ON AGENDA ITEM THREE H OR ANY COMMENTS? A COMMENT? UH, DERRICK PE DISTRICT SIX.
UH, WHEN I, EVEN WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, UM, REPORT, DEFINITELY IN DISTRICT SIX, I SEE LARGE NUMBERS, HUGE NUMBERS, AND, UH, ONCE AGAIN, SB FOUR WOULD NOT HELP THAT AT ALL.
UM, THERE'S STILL THAT GLARING ISSUE, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY SOME KIND OF WAY HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE AS HE MENTIONED WITH US BEFORE, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT, SO BLACK AND BLACK, HISPANIC AND LATINO MAKE UP TWENTY TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN OF THE 2,754.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S WORD NOW, BUT THAT, THAT IS TOO MUCH.
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WITHOUT ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, UH, ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, ITEM THREE THREE H.UM, WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO SECTION FOUR.
AND THE CHAIR WILL NOW RECOGNIZE THE OCPO MEDIATION MANAGER, C CLARK, WHO WILL GIVE, UM, THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT WITH THE ATTACHMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED THERE.
UM, AS, AS USUAL, THE OCPO, UM, GATHERED THE MONTHLY COMPLAINTS FROM APRIL AND PROVIDED THE BOARD WITH, UM, A DESCRIPTION OF THOSE, THOSE OUTCOMES.
UM, I WILL SAY, UM, FROM AN OFFICE PERSPECTIVE, THIS WAS THE LAST THING WE GOT, UH, MR. GRIFFIN TO DO.
BEFORE IT WAS TIME FOR HIM TO LEAVE.
UM, I KNOW HE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PULL OVER AND, AND LISTEN TO THE BOARD MEETING, UH, AS HE TRAVELS TO HIS NEW EXCITING CAREER IN ALASKA.
SO, YEAH, HE'S NOT AROUND THE CORNER.
UM, HE, WELL, HE ORIGINALLY WAS, BUT THEN HE, HE CAME DOWN HERE.
HE IS A LOT, WELL, HE'S ACTUALLY FROM ARKANSAS.
HE WENT UP THERE FOR A WHILE, CAME BACK AND WAS DOWN HERE WITH HIS WIFE.
UM, AND NOW HE'S, HE, HE GOT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PARALEGAL UP THERE.
SO, UM, WHO, WHO, WHO IS TAKING HIS PLACE TO MEET WITH THE, UM, I, SO WE, WE MEET WITH, UH, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A FEW OF US THAT MEET WITH IAD, SO I MEET WITH IAD WITH HIM WITH, UH, THE POLICY ANALYST AS SHE HANDLES THE MONITORING.
SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY GAP IN THE FINE.
I, A D AND I, I'VE SENT THEM OVER THE, THE EXCEL SHEET, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T GONNA BE ANY GAP WHILE WE WERE GETTING A NEW PERSON.
I JUST HAD, WELL, WELL, NO, WE GOT, WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY GO OVER THERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE BACK AT DVDS, SO, YEAH.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING OVER AND MEETING IN PERSON.
YOU SAID WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY GO OVER THERE TO GET THE FILES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ID PROS, SO.
THEY BURNED EVERYTHING FOR ON DVDS FOR US.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROCESS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET, UH, ACCESS TO I, ID PRO? UM, THERE'S A TRAINING THAT'S SCHEDULED.
WE HAD ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT, UH, INTERIM DIRECTOR CHANDLER HAD ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH DPD ABOUT THE TRAINING.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE LAST ONE THEY HAD LAST MONTH WAS, UM, ALREADY FULL.
LIKE WE, WE COULDN'T GET A SLOT IN THERE.
UM, AND SO IT, IT JUST SO HAPPENED THAT AFTER WE COULDN'T GET A SLOT, JAMES TURNED IN HIS TWO WEEKS AND, AND THAT'S THE WAY THINGS WORKED.
SO WE WERE ORIGINALLY, WE FORESAW, THERE WAS A CHANCE THAT JAMES WAS VERY UPFRONT WITH US ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY, AND, AND WE JUST RAN OUT OF TIME AFTER REVIEWING, UH, THIS, UH, THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMPLAINTS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? IF THERE'S, UH, NOTHING AT THIS TIME FROM THE BOARD, UM, WE CAN MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM SECTION FIVE, WHICH IS THE UPCOMING MEETING.
OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JUNE 11TH.
JUNE 11TH AT FIVE 30 IN THE, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
IS THAT THIS ROOM OR IS IT THE, THE SAY IT WILL BE IN THE BIG, THE BIG HORSESHOE IN JUNE.
AND SO I'D LOVE, I, I THINK JUNE'S GONNA BE A GREAT MEETING.
I, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SOME BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT IN THE OFFICE, ABOUT, UH, ABOUT POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS. AND, UH, AGAIN, AS BOARD MEMBERS, YOU PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE.
AND, UH, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL WOULD BE GOOD ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO CONTACT ME TO CONTACT VICE CHAIR REVIS, CONTACT THE OFFICE, AND, UH, WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT, UH, WITH THE OFFICE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROCESS TO GET THAT LAST DRAFT TOGETHER AND, AND PUT, BUT JUST KNOW THAT YOUR INPUT IS VALUABLE.
AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING OR ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LOVE TO, TO TALK ABOUT OR PUT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO LET, LET US KNOW.
BUT JUNE 11TH WILL BE, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING.
AND AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO HAS STAYED, WHO DID NOT SIGN UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, WE'D LOVE TO, UH, EXTEND
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THE INVITATION AT THIS TIME FOR YOU TO SPEAK.DO WE HAVE ANYONE AT THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, MR. ERIC, DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE ONLINE THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY RIGHT NOW, NO.
UH, WELL, IN THAT CASE, WE WILL, UH, MOVE ON TO, UH, ADJOURNING THIS MEETING.
DO I HAVE A MOTION FROM A BOARD MEMBER TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING? MOTION TO ADJOURN? UH, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR VICE CHAIR VIS A SECOND.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR? WELL, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, THIS MEETING IS HEREBY ADJOURNED.