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I THINK WE DO HAVE A QUORUM NOW, COMMISSIONER, SO WE CAN GET STARTED.
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YOU, YOU WANNA DO A ROLL CALL? GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.DISTRICT FOUR, I THINK IS ONLINE.
COMMERCIAL FORESIGHT, I THINK IS ONLINE.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN.
I, I NEED THE VIDEO TURNED ON TOO, BUT, UH, THAT WON'T WORK AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE.
DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT HERE.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 16TH, 2024, 9:14 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAIN COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
AS ALWAYS, THIS IS A TIME FOR, UH, THE BODY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
WE WILL KEEP ALL OUR, UH, COMMENTS FOR, UH, THIS AFTERNOON FOR THE HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET AND BEGIN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT ARE ON CONSENT.
UH, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE, THE THREE ITEMS ARE STILL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. PEPE, YOU'RE READY TO IMPROVISE, SIR, RIGHT? I JUST HAD A FEELING.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, TO GO RIGHT AHEAD.
AND WE'LL, SO, UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
WE'LL GO TO THE ZONING CONSENT AGENDA, DOCKET COMMISSIONERS.
ITEM NUMBER NINE HAS COME OFF CONSENT.
SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S FIVE THROUGH EIGHT.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH NUMBER FIVE AND MR. PEPE.
OKAY, ITEM FIVE, YOU CAN SEE? YES.
AND THIS IS LOCATED IN OLD EAST DALLAS AREA.
AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOUR 18 FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST USE ON PROPERTIES ZONE SUB AREA THREE WITHIN PD NUMBER 360 2 WITH H SEVEN TWO PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION IN NEIGHBORHOOD.
HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF GASTON AVENUE, SOUTHWEST OF NORTH FITZ HUE.
AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 10,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW A BED AND BREAKFAST USE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
HERE IS THIS SITE, THE SURROUNDING USES AS YOU SEE 'EM TODAY.
THERE'S A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AROUND, UH, THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY USE TO THE NORTHEAST, SOUTHWEST, MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTHEAST, UH, FARTHER AND FARTHER TO THE EAST.
THERE'S MORE MULTIFAMILY, A MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTHWEST OFFICE.
SINGLE FAMILY COMBINATION ACROSS GASTON AND IT'S CURRENTLY OCCUPIED WITH THAT BED AND BREAKFAST USE.
NOW BED AND BREAKFAST IS A USE THAT'S UNIQUE TO THIS PD, UH, DEFINITION BEING ONE DWELLING UNIT ON THE LOT, CONTAINING FIVE OR FEWER GUEST ROOMS OR SUITES THAT ARE RUNNING INTO OCCUPANTS
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FOR 14 OR FEWER CONSECUTIVE DAYS.AND IT WAS APPROVED, THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS APPROVED ON JUNE 9TH, 2021 FOR TWO YEARS.
AND THERE ARE MINOR CHANGES TO SITE PLAN, NO CHANGES TO CONDITIONS BEYOND THE TIME PERIOD.
THERE'S A DEFINITION AGAIN, UM, IT'S A BIT OF AN INTERESTING SUB AREA.
IT ALLOWS, SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS A MIX OF USES, UH, INCLUDING SOME LIGHT COMMERCIAL ONES ON GASTON MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THIS BED AND BREAKFAST ON THE, UH, WITH THE SUBJECT TO AN SUP ON THIS CORRIDOR.
SO HERE'S THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
IT'S THE NORTH PART OF THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH, HOME TO THE SOUTH, LOOKING ACROSS GASTON.
LOOKING UP GASTON, THERE'S SOME HOME AND OFFICE COMBINATIONS ACROSS THE STREET.
MULTIFAMILY THAT'S A BIT FURTHER UP THE STREET AND CLOSER TO THE RETAIL, IT'S UP THE STREET WITH THE MULTIFAMILY ACROSS THE STREET.
HERE'S THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
APPLICANT HAS UPDATED IT TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THEY GOT THEIR SUP LAST TIME THEY ESTABLISHED THE USE.
UH, THIS SITE PLAN IS A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY, SO THEY DID PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT.
WHOA, JUST WANTED TO ZOOM IN ON IT.
UM, MAINLY IT CHANGED THE, UH, CONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING AREA IN THE BACK, BUT THEY STILL HAVE THEIR REQUIRED SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE CONDITIONS AND THE PD.
AND AGAIN, NO CHANGES TO THOSE CONDITIONS EXCEPT FOR TIME PERIOD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
READY FOR QUESTIONS? OH YEAH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS.
UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I CAN'T SEE YOU IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.
MR. PEPE, WAS THE, THE PARKING LOT PARKING SPACES, WERE THEY BEING RECONFIGURED OR WERE THEY ADDING TO THE PARKING OR WHAT EXACTLY WAS HAPPENING? THEY'RE MORE RECONFIGURED.
UM, AND I THINK THE SITE PLAN IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE SEP.
I THINK IT LOOKS A LITTLE FUNNY BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND IT, READING THE RESULTS OF THE LAST, UM, THE LAST COUNCIL HEARING THAT THIS ONE IS AT, THEY MIGHT HAVE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF ROOMS AND THAT MIGHT LEAD TO WHY THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES OVER THEIR REQUIREMENT.
UH, KIND OF SHOWN IN RED HERE, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
THEY HAVE LESS ROOMS THAN THAT, SO THEY ACTUALLY JUST HAVE THE SIX PARKING SPACES.
AND SO IT REALLY, IT ALL THE PARKING SPACES ARE ACTUALLY AGAINST THE BACK FENCE, UH, AT THIS TIME AND AS THEY WERE ON THIS PLANE.
BUT THEY, YOU SEE TWO RED ONES ON THE LEFT THERE.
THOSE ARE PART OF THE OPEN SPACE, UH, OUTDOOR AREA OF THE, UH, PROPERTY NOW.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT, WHAT WAS CHANGED.
SO DO THEY STILL MEET THEIR REQUIRED PARKING? BUT I ASSUME THAT'S THE HISTORY OF WHY THE SITE PLAN LOOKS A LITTLE ODD.
AND NOW WE'RE IT'S CLEANER NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE JUST REALIZED THAT THERE IS, THERE'S OPPOSITION ON CASE NUMBER EIGHT, SO WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE OFF CONSENT AS WELL.
OKAY, NUMBER SIX IS Z 2 2 3 2 9 2.
AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES OWNED AND MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT AND MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT IN AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT.
TWO AND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE ON PROPERTIES OWNED IN MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT.
AND THREE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE ON PROPERTY LOCATED,
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OR EXCUSE ME, ON PROPERTIES ZONED AND MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT AND AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT.GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST OF HARRY HINES BOULEVARD, SOUTHEAST OF MOCKINGBIRD LANE, AND NORTH ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST LINES OF FOREST PARK ROAD.
AND THE PURPOSE OF REQUEST IS TO ALLOW MODIFIED DEVELOPMENTS IN DEPARTMENT AREA RELATED TO USES, SETBACKS, EXPLOR AREA RATIO, HEIGHT AND PARKING, LANDSCAPING AND DESIGN CENTERS TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH HOSPITAL USES.
IT'S LIKE BENDING OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT AND I COULDN'T GET AIR IN MY LUNGS.
UM, SO THE, HERE'S THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.
IT LOOKS PRETTY DIFFERENT THAN THIS AERIAL VIEW, UM, AS MUCH, MOST OF THE SITE HAS BEEN CLEARED, BUT THIS IS THE AREA OF REQUEST.
UM, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.
THERE WAS MEDICAL TOWERS THERE BEFORE AND SO THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S A, UH, LARGE DETENTION AREA AND ACROSS, THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, THOSE ARE OWNED BY, I THINK BY THE SAME HOSPITAL SYSTEM.
AND THEN THE SOUTH, THERE'S SERVICE PARKING TO THE EAST HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH SOUTH TO DO SOUTH.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTHWEST.
SO SERVICE PARKING ACROSS MOCKINGBIRD TO THE NORTHWEST.
AND THEN TWO, UM, CLINIC USES TO THE, UM, TO ALSO TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST.
AND SO THIS, THIS SPANS ACROSS A COUPLE OF BLOCKS SEPARATED BY A COUPLE STREETS.
UH, ONE OF THOSE STREETS WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE MAIN FACILITY WITH THE SKYBRIDGE.
WE CAN GET TO THAT IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO PRIMARILY IT'S MIXED USE TOO.
AND, UM, INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH, AND IT'S MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED.
THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, KIND OF PLANT FACILITY FOR THE HOSPITALS THAT ARE THERE TODAY.
SOME SURFACE PARKING SUPPORTS.
THE HOSPITAL TODAY PROPOSING A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE MAIN USE.
UH, THEY INCLUDE TWO SKY BRIDGES, WHICH PER CODE NEED AUTHORIZATION THROUGH AN SUP ONE PER, AND THEY HAVE THE TWO SKY BRIDGES, ONE IN HARRY HINES, ONE ON
UH, THEY ALSO, THOSE THE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, IN CLOSE KEEPING WITH THE STEMMONS U UT SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN.
SO WHY, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT A PD? UH, DESIRED HEIGHT IS NOT REALLY CA UH, YOU'RE NOT REALLY CAPABLE OF HAVING THE, THE DESIRED HEIGHT OR FAR IN A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OUTSIDE THE CENTRAL AREA.
UH, THEY MODIFY THEIR LANDSCAPING TO ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THEIR STRUCTURES, UH, THEY SIMPLIFY THEIR PARKING.
THOSE AREN'T TOOLS THAT EXIST IN THE BASE CODE FOR, IN A GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT.
WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT A PD TODAY.
I THINK I'LL TAKE A WALK AROUND.
THAT'S THE EXISTING PLANT FACILITY ON THE SITE, MORE THAT EXISTING PLANT.
I UNDERSTAND THE PLANT WILL BE REPLACED, UH, AS WILL THIS SURFACE PARKING WITH A, UH, MORE ADVANCED VERSION OF THOSE.
THEN TURN AROUND LOOKING ON BEAU MAR.
THIS IS KIND OF THE EAST MOST CORNER UNDEVELOPED OF THE SITE WHEN YOU SEE A GARAGE AND HOSPITAL THAT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND THE SUBJECT SIDE'S.
THE OTHER HOSPITAL, ANOTHER UT HOSPITAL, AND WE LOOK SOUTHWEST.
I'M GONNA GO UP FOREST PARK KINDA THE ENTRANCE TO THE BIG PIT THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW AND TURN THE CORNER ON TREADWAY.
YEP, THAT'S PRIMARY BODY OF THE SITE.
THIS IS TREADWAY STREET THAT I'M ON GOING DOWN TOWARDS HARRY HINES.
UH, QUICK LOOK BACK ACROSS TREADWAY.
THERE IS ONE, UH, PARCEL KIND OF SEPARATED ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THAT'S UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THERE.
WE'RE TURNING THE CORNER ON HARRY HINES GOING SOUTH.
I DON'T THINK I RISKED MY LIFE ON MOCKINGBIRD AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT WE ARE AT THE ENTRANCE OF KIND OF THE ENTRANCE, UH, OF WHAT'S CALLED PAUL BASS WAY.
IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVE THAT IS USED TO ACCESS THE OTHER HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH OF UT SOUTHWESTERN HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH.
WE ALSO A COMBINATION KIND OF ENTRANCE FOR THIS HOSPITAL.
HERE'S FOREST PARK, UH, LOOKING NORTHEAST.
THERE'S, UH, NORTHWEST, THERE'S A COUPLE CLINICS THERE.
ANOTHER CLINIC USE LOOKING ACROSS HARRY HINES AT THE, UH, CLEMENTS HOSPITAL DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS ONE.
LOOKING AT THE HOSPITAL THAT'S TO THE SOUTH ACROSS PAUL BASS WAY, LOOKING AT THE, UH, STREET SCAPE THAT IS ON THE, UH, HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH.
NOW WE CAN SEE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UH, BASICALLY IT CONCENTRATES THEIR, UM, MAIN PORTION OF
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THE, UH, HOSPITAL IN THE CENTER PART OF THE SITE.UH, THEY HAVE A VARIED PARKING GARAGE UNDER MUCH OF THIS SITE.
UH, AND THEN THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF FUTURE EXPANSION AREAS OF THE NORTH AND THE SOUTHWEST.
THOSE WILL REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THEY HAVE THE SAME CONDITIONS AS YOU SEE IN THE DOCKET TODAY, BUT THEY'LL REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED, UH, PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE, OR, UH, EXCEPT IN THE CASE IN WHICH THEY'RE DEVELOPED AS A OPEN SPACE OR PEDESTRIAN TRAIL USE.
HERE'S A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THAT.
YOU CAN SEE, I HOPE, WHERE THE SKY BRIDGES ARE MEANT TO BE.
WE HAVE ONE SKY BRIDGE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE THAT CONNECTS BETWEEN THE, UH, CLIENT'S HOSPITAL AND THIS ONE.
AND THEN THERE'S A SKY BRIDGE KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE ON FOREST PARK THAT CONNECTS TO THEIR BIG, UH, ABOVEGROUND PARKING GARAGE.
AND THE MAIN HOSPITAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS GOT A LOT OF DISTRICTS, UH, BUILT IN AT THE BASE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR PD HAS 40 FOOT SETBACKS ON MOCKINGBIRD OR ON HARRY HINES, 30 ON MOCKINGBIRD, 20 ON FOREST PARK.
NO URBAN FORM SETBACK ON FOREST PARK.
UH, THEY USE THE SIDE YARDS GENERALLY OF MU THREE CYBER TOWER SPACING.
THEY DON'T MODIFY THE UNIT DENSITY.
THEY, THEY NEED THAT ADDITIONAL FAR AND HEIGHT AND THEY'RE LOCKED.
UH, JUST QUICKLY THROUGH THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY HAVE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALKS, UH, SIX FOOT CONNECTION BETWEEN FOREST PARKING AND HARRY HINES KIND OF LATERALLY THROUGH THE SITE.
UH, PATHWAYS FROM THE FRONTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE CUT THROUGH ANY SURFACE PARKING LOTS HAVE TO BE IMPROVED TO A DEGREE, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS.
UH, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTINGS ON THE FRONTAGES AND THE INTERNAL PATHWAY FACADES, UH, MUST HAVE ARCHITECTURAL ENTRANCES AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE ENTRANCES ON THE FACADES.
AND, UM, STREET FURNITURE IS AT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SET OF STREET FURNITURE EVERY 300 FEET, UH, 10% OPEN SPACE PER SITE.
UH, 'CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY MULTIPLE BUILDING SITES, MULTIPLE PARCELS.
UH, BUT THEN THEY NEED TO, SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE PD SATISFY A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE AT GRADE ACCESSIBLE BY THE FRONTAGE.
UH, THERE'S LIMITS ON SURFACE PARKING AND THERE'S REQUIRED PARKING GARAGE SCREENING FOR THAT ONE ABOVE GROUND GARAGE LANDSCAPING, THEY DID REQUEST SOME VARIANCES ON LANDSCAPING.
UH, THERE'S LESS SITE TREES OVERALL PER REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS ARE VERY, VERY LARGE, INCLUDING THE UNDERGROUND GARAGE.
SO THEY DID ASK FOR REDUCTION SITE TREES ON THAT.
UH, THEY'LL HAVE SOME EXEMPTIONS FOR THE SOIL AREAS, UH, WHEN APPROVED BY THE ARBUS BECAUSE OF THAT AREA.
VARIED GARAGE, BUT THAT MEANS THEY CAN HAVE PLANTINGS ON TOP OF IT, UH, TO A DEGREE, UM, EXEMPTION FOR TREE PLANNINGS THAT WE REGULARLY HAVE IN PARKING AREAS.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE EXEMPTED IN THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS AREAS AND STREET BUFFER ZONES, UH, MAY INCREASE IN DEPTH, ESPECIALLY ALONG HARRY HINES ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A DEEPER STREET BUFFER ZONE, MORE PLANE IN THERE.
UM, HAVE MORE ROOM WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR SIDEWALK AND, AND PRESERVE EXISTING TREES THERE, WHICH IS REALLY QUICK.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SOUTHWEST STEM CORRIDOR OR SOUTHWEST MEDICAL DISTRICT AREA.
PLAN CALLS FOR A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT, MIXED USE, ENCOURAGING A MIX OF USES, NOT JUST THE HOSPITAL, UH, PARTNER REDUCTIONS THROUGH, UH, PARKING MANAGEMENT, LEARNING DEVELOPMENT CONNECTIVITY THROUGH LARGER BLOCKS.
FIND IT MEETS THAT ALL OF THOSE S JUST NEED TO SHOW OFF THE S TWO P SITE PLAN FOR FOREST PARK.
THERE IT IS, CROSSES FOREST PARK TO CONNECT THE PARKING GARAGE IN THE, UH, MAIN HOSPITAL.
THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE BASE CODE FOR, UM, SKY BRIDGES.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT DETAILED, A LITTLE BIT IN THE REPORT, BUT THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE.
THIS IS THE ONE ON HARRY HINES.
SO THEY HAVE DIMENSIONAL LIGHTING AND LOCATIONAL STANDARDS FOR SKY BRIDGES AND THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL OF ONE, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE MISUSE DISTRICT USES SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLANNING CONDITIONS, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE SKYBRIDGE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
AND THREE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR MR. PEPE? UM, I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE, UM, I THINK THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN D MAGAZINE, OR AT LEAST ONLINE JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO, UM, ABOUT THE MEDICAL DISTRICT WHERE THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS THE LARGEST HEAT ISLAND IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ANNOUNCING A PROJECT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TEXAS TREES FOUNDATION
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TO GREEN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND INTRODUCE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, PARK AND, AND OTHER FACILITIES IN THERE.I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP THAT TTF PUT OUT.
DO YOU KNOW IF THIS SITE IS, IS COVERED BY THAT GREENING PLAN OR DOES IT FALL OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF IT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S THE NORTHWEST MOST POINT OF THAT PLANT, SO IT IS INCLUDED IN IT.
IT'S THE KIND OF THE TAIL END AT MOCKINGBIRD.
AND I MEAN, HAVE THEY DONE MUCH HERE TO SORT OF GREEN THIS PART OR WITH CONSIDERING THE SIGNIFICANT BUILDING FOOTPRINT HERE, IS IT, IS THE, UH, REDUCTION OF, WELL, I GUESS THERE'S NOT MUCH SERVICE PARKING HERE, RIGHT? IS THERE ANY SERVICE PARKING ALLOWED ON THE SITE? THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE SERVICE PARKING AND MAINLY THAT IS GONNA BE THE EMERGENCY AREA, BUT PER BUILDING SITE, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIMITED TO 10% OF THE BUILDING SITE CAN BE SURFACE PARKING.
AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, SURFACE PARKING SET BACK MORE THAN 30 FEET FROM THOSE PUBLIC STREETS.
THERE'S, IT'S NOT IN DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SHOWS EVERY SINGLE PARKING SPACE ON THERE, BUT WE HAVE THOSE CODE LIMITS IN THERE.
UM, AND SO THERE ARE OTHER MEANS, LIKE WE SAID, TO ENCOURAGE THE BURIED PARKING PLANTING ON TOP OF THAT GARAGE.
AND OF COURSE, SHARED PARKING, UH, TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO DISCOURAGE OVER PARKING BY REDUCING THE REQUIRED MINIMUMS. SO THIS GOES FORWARD AS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE SITE OCCUPIED BY SERVICE PARKING LIKELY TO DECREASE OH, OVER THE, OVER WHAT IT WAS.
NOW IT'S A BIG PIT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS SURE.
A COUPLE YEARS AGO IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE THE ERROR.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THAT COMPLIANCE WITH THAT 10% IN THE OLD CONFIGURATION.
SO YES, IT WOULD GET SIGNIFICANTLY GREENER IN THAT REGARD AND HAVE A CAP ON WHAT IT CAN BE.
UH, AND THE, UH, STREET BUFFER INCREASE, UH, LEAVES ROOM FOR THAT TREES PROJECT THERE.
UH, WHEN IT DOES COME THROUGH HERE AND WE HAVE AN ENHANCED, UM, TREE PRESERVATION OR AT LEAST INCENTIVES FOR TREE PRESERVATION ON HARRY HINES.
SO, WHICH IS THE MAIN PART WHERE THEIR TREE, WHERE THEIR TREES REMAIN IN PLACE.
UH, COLLEAGUES, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PEPE? MR. MR. HALL, COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. PEPE? THERE, THERE ARE TWO SKY BRIDGES, CORRECT? YOU GOT IT.
ONE ON HARRY HINES AND ONE ON FOREST PARK, ONE GOING OVER HARRY HINES AND ONE GOING OVER FOREST PARK.
YEAH, HARRY HINES ONE WOULD CONNECT TO THE CLEMENTS HOSPITAL.
I UNDERSTAND YOU MEAN MAINLY FOR, PRIMARILY TRANSPORTING PATIENTS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES AND CLIMATES, FACILITIES AND, UH, THIS BUILDING AS WELL AS DOCTORS.
UH, WHEREAS ON THE OTHER ONE CONNECTS TO WELL AND A GARAGE AND IT CONNECTS OVER FOREST PARK DIRECTLY INTO THIS BUILDING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, JUST A QUICK ONE.
UM, SO CLEMENTS IS A NEW HOSPITAL, FAIRLY NEW TO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS CONNECTING IT TO THE REST OF THE UT SOUTHWESTERN CAMPUS.
WE CONNECT TO SKYBRIDGE THAT KIND OF HAVE A PRETTY BIG CONTINUOUS CONNECTION.
THIS ONE, UNLIKE THE OTHER PROPERTIES, DOESN'T NEED REZONING, UH, 'CAUSE NOT A STATE FACILITY, BUT THE OTHER ONE'S, UH, BUILT OUT ON WITHOUT THE ZONING ON THE SOUTH PART.
BUT WE, WE DO OBVIOUSLY CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THAT THROUGH THIS.
UM, AND THEN THEY WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION ALONG PAUL BASS WAY WOULD GET US GET PEOPLE THROUGH THE SITE FROM ONE SIDE TO ANOTHER.
AND THAT BORDERS ON THE KIND OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY BORDERS, THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THE NAME OF THE HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTHEAST, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HARRY HINES.
BUT SO THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A PRETTY EXPANSIVE SKY NETWORK THAT WORKS FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND THE STAFF MEMBERS AND THE PATIENTS, YES.
GOING FROM ONE HOSPITAL TO THE OTHER, WILL THIS ONE BE AS WIDE AS THE OTHER ONES THAT EXIST WHERE LIKE THEIR SMALL BUSES GO ACROSS THEM? IT'S, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S NOT THE, UH, LITTLE BUS WAY WITH WHERE THE SHUTTLES AND, AND STUFF AROUND.
IT'S NOT A WELL, SO PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE HAS TO BE BY NATURE OF BEING PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE, IT HAS TO BE A PEDESTRIAN SKY BRIDGE.
IT CAN'T BE FOR, PRIMARILY FOR MOTOR VEHICLES.
THAT ONE IS EXCLUDED BY THE CODE.
SO BY THIS IT'S MO GOT TO BE PRIMARILY WELCOME.
ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ONLINE EITHER.
WE ARE ON TO ITEM SEVEN, MR. BATE.
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GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 54.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE IN KNOXVILLE STREET NORTH OF BRATTLE WOOD DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 6.55 ACRES IN SIZE HERE.
WE SEE IT DOWN IN THE SOUTHWESTERN AREA OF THE CITY COUNTY NEAR CORO HILL.
UH, THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING SITE, UH, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED HAS A CHURCH ON IT.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT'S A PRETTY LARGE SITE.
UH, THE ZONING MAP, AGAIN, THE SUBJECT SITE HIGHLIGHTED, THERE'S THE EXISTING CHURCH ON THAT SITE.
AND THEN TO THE WEST IS A, UH, CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH THE MEDICAL CLINIC DEVELOPED TO THE NORTH IS A JUNIOR COLLEGE AND AN R 7.5 A DISTRICT, AND IT HAS AN SUP FOR THAT JUNIOR COLLEGE TO THE EAST IS SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS PD 4 2 0, WHICH HAS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, I BELIEVE BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED HOUSING DOWN THERE.
THE APPLICANT TENDS TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY ON THE SITE, AND IN ORDER TO DO SO, THEY REQUEST THE MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT.
THIS IS ALONG OR ON WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE LOOKING EAST WITH THE SUBJECT SITE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PHOTO.
AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF TAKE A TOUR DOWN HERE AS A WALK DOWN.
UH, WALK DOWN WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE, WE CAN SEE THAT GENERALLY IT'S, AGAIN, LARGE SITE CURRENTLY HAS THIS BIG PARKING LOT FOR CHURCH HERE WE SEE THAT MEDICAL FACILITY THAT IS TO THE WEST OF THE SITE AND LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS THE CAMPUS OF THE JUNIOR COLLEGE AND TO THE NORTHEAST, THEN TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE, STILL ALONG WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE.
AND AS WE MEANDER ON DOWN TOWARDS KNOXVILLE STREET, AGAIN, WE GET AN IDEA OF KIND OF THE SIZE OF THESE, UH, THOROUGH AFFAIRS HERE, LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE AND THEN LOOKING AT THE SITE AND THEN GOING DOWN KNOXVILLE STREET AGAIN, JUST GETTING A GOOD VIEW OF THIS SITE OVERALL.
LOOKING EAST, THAT'S WHERE THAT SINGLE FAMILY IN THE R 7.58 DISTRICT IS, AND TO THE WEST, THEN TO THE EAST WITH MORE SINGLE FAMILY SOUTHEAST AND LOOKING SOUTH AND TO THE SOUTHWEST.
UM, IT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR WITH THIS PHOTO, BUT PART OF THE FIELD THERE THAT YOU SEE BEHIND A FENCE, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.
AND THEN IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE PHOTO, YOU SEE, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES FROM, UH, PD 4, 2 0, AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS APPROVAL.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A COUPLE.
I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES IN FRONT OF ME.
NO, UM, HONESTLY, UM, SO THE, THERE, THERE, YOU MENTIONED THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS THAT ABUT THAT FIELD, UM, ALONG, ALSO ALONG KNOXVILLE.
SEVERAL STREETS WILL BE APPROACHING THIS SITE.
HAVE THEY TALKED ABOUT A TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND ALLOWING THESE RESIDENTS IN THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE ABILITY TO GET IN AND OUTTA THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS? UH, THEY HAVE NOT BROUGHT THAT UP DURING, UM, ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH ME.
UH, WITH THESE GENERAL ZONING CHANGES, IT'S OFTEN JUST, IT CAN BE PRETTY HIGH LEVEL IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY PRESENT.
UH, CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION TO BRING UP FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, AT THE HEARING TODAY, UH, JUST TO GET A BETTER IDEA.
BUT AGAIN, WITH THESE ZONING CHANGES, IT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS HIGH LEVEL.
AND I I DID LOOK AT YOUR PRESENT, UM, THE CASE REPORT AND, UM, ON THE BACKSIDE WHERE THOSE SINGLE FAMILY KIND OF TWO STORY TOWN, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE, UM, WILL THAT AFFECT THE HEIGHT OF THOSE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK OR IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THERE? YES.
SO THE, IT'S WORTH NOTING THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME, THE MF ONE DISTRICT HAS THE SAME MAX HEIGHT AS THE PD 4, 2 0 OF 36 FEET.
UH, BUT IN THE MF ONE DISTRICT, YOU ALSO HAVE THE RRP S OR RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE REQUIREMENT.
UH, WHICH IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS KINDA HARD TO EXPLAIN IT VERBALLY.
IT WORKS BETTER VISUALLY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS, UH, FOR THE FIRST 78 FEET IN PROXIMITY TO THAT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, NOTHING CAN BE HIGHER THAN 26 FEET.
YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE AN INVISIBLE LINE GOING OUT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THAT EXTENDS, UH, TWO INFINITY IS A ONE TO THREE RATIO.
SO IF THAT FIRST 78 FEET, THEY CAN'T BE MORE THAN 26 FEET HIGH.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, EVERY THREE FEET OF DISTANCE YOU GET AN EXTRA FOOT.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, UM, UNITS THEY'RE PROPOSING? I DO NOT.
I KNOW THAT IN CERTAIN ZONING CASES, IF, IF IT'S OF A CERTAIN, IF IT'S ESTIMATED TO GENERATE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT APPLICANT HAS TO PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY,
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I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER IS FOR THAT.AND LET ME CHECK MY APPLICATION HERE REAL QUICK.
WAS THAT TRIGGERED TODAY? UH, ON, ON THIS CASE OR NOT? I MEAN, IT'S MF ONE AND SIX-ISH ACRES.
I'M PULLING UP THE, IT COMES IN A LITTLE RIGHT BELOW THAT TRIGGER.
UM, SO GIVEN HERE, THEY DID MENTION, SO THEY DID MENTION 140 DWELLING UNITS IN THE, UM, IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WORKSHEET OR THE TRIP GENERATION WORKSHEET, UH, WHICH WOULD BE 980 TRIPS, SO 20 TRIPS BELOW THAT THRESHOLD.
UH, BUT DURING OUR REVIEW WITH ZRT OR ZONING REVIEW TEAM, UH, ENGINEERING DID NOT RAISE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
COMMISSIONER HALL? THE, UH, CHURCH IS VACANT.
IT'S NOT BEING USED ANYMORE? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
AND IT IT'S BASICALLY SURROUNDED BY PARKING, PARKING SPACES? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL KEEP GOING.
THE NEXT ITEM COMMISSIONERS HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT.
WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, SO WE'LL BE DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY.
UH, THIS IS CASE, UH, Z 2 34 DASH 1 68.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CEMETERY ON PROPERTY ZONED IR AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SOUTH SHERMAN STREET, EAST OF TI BOULEVARD.
APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES IN SIZE.
UH, WE SEE IT HERE, KIND OF THE NORTH, UH, FAR NORTH SECTION OF THE CITY, RIGHT BY THE STATE LIMITS WITH RICHARDSON.
UH, IS THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, KIND OF A INTERESTING LOOKING LOT AND SHAPE? UH, MOSTLY, UH, INDUSTRIAL LOOKING FACILITIES, A LOT OF SORT OF WAREHOUSES.
AND THEN TO THE WEST IS THE, UH, RESTON CEMETERY THAT'S PART OF, UH, CITY OF RICHARDSON.
AND HERE'S THE ZONING MAP AGAIN, SHOWING KIND OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.
YOU ARE NEXT TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WITH A CEMETERY IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.
UH, TO THE NORTH IS A VARIETY OF OFFICE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN TO THE WEST ARE A VARIETY OF THESE INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, SUCH AS AUTO SERVICE CENTERS AND OFFICE SHOWROOMS AND WAREHOUSES.
AND THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
UH, THE APPLICANT TENDS TO BUILD A CEMETERY ON THE SITE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
THEY'RE REQUESTING AN SUP, UH, AS SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS AS TO PERHAPS WHY YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A CEMETERY COME BEFORE THIS BODY BEFORE, UH, THE NUMBER OF CEMETERIES AND CITY LIMITS WAS PREVIOUSLY LIMITED BY BOTH CITY CODE AS WELL AS UH, STATE LAWS.
UH, BUT LAST YEAR THE STATE LEGISLATURE ENACTED AND WAS SIGNED INTO LAW HB 7 83, WHICH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO FILE APPLICATIONS TO OPEN A CEMETERY WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
AND OTHERWISE, SOME CEMETERIES ARE GENERALLY CONTROLLED BY CHAPTER 11 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
UH, SO WITH THAT STATE LAW WHEN IT PASSED, UH, THE CITY DETERMINED THAT OUR SUP PROCESS FOR CEMETERIES, WHICH WERE ALREADY LISTED AS A USE THAT REQUIRES AN SUP, UH, WOULD SUFFICE AS THE NECESSARY APPLICATION FOR THESE THINGS.
SO ON SITE, LOOKING AT THE, UH, LOOKING AT THE SITE, UH, THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO SEE.
THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF FENCING UP RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS ON SOUTH SHERMAN, SOUTH SHERMAN STREET, LOOKING SOUTH OF THE SITE, UH, LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE SITE.
UH, IT'S THERE IN THE FOREGROUND AND BACKGROUND TO THE WEST.
AND THEN ON SITE OR ON, SO SHERMAN STREET, LOOKING SOUTHWEST TOWARDS THE SITE, AGAIN, THEY'VE GOT THAT FENCING AROUND IT LOOKING WEST, AND THEN LOOKING NORTH ACROSS THE WAY AT SOME OF THOSE OFFICES THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE ZONING MAP.
AND THEN ON SOUTH SHERMAN LOOKING NORTHWEST AND THEN SOUTH SHERMAN LOOKING EAST, UH, HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PHOTO, THAT IS THE CURRENTLY THE MAIN INGRESS, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE SITE AND LOOKING EAST.
UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ALL THE DETAILS THERE, BUT, UH, THEY DO HAVE ALL THE PLOTS LISTED OUT AS WELL AS A AREA FOR A GENERAL AREA FOR BUILDING A SORT OF PAVILION, UH, AS WELL AS A RESTROOM AND THREE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PROVIDED.
AND THEN THIS IS IN DETAIL AND ROTATED JUST SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT A LITTLE BETTER.
UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS WOULD BE FROM SOUTH SHERMAN STREET ONLY.
UH, THERE IS A PRIVACY FENCE PROPOSED ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE HERE.
NOW, THESE ARE THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
IT WOULD BE THE CEMETERY AND, UH, IT WOULD HAVE A PERMANENT, UH, PERMANENT TIMELINE OR TIME LIMIT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS
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APPROVAL QUESTIONS.COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER, MR. BAT, WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR THE, UH, PROHIBITION OF NEW CEMETERIES? I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS FOR THE PROHIBITION OF CEMETERIES.
UM, I, I COULD MAKE EDUCATED GUESSES, BUT I DO NOT KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND WHY THE CITY CHOSE TO LIMIT THE, UH, CREATION OF NEW CEMETERIES.
UH, THE, THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COMES FROM BACK IN THE EARLY 1940S.
UM, BUT REGARDLESS AT THIS POINT, IT'S BEEN SUPERSEDED BY THE STATE LAW.
YES, THE STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE THE, THE CITY AT LEAST ENTERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR, UH, FOR CEMETERIES.
THEY CAN'T JUST HAVE A BLANKET RESTRICTION ON THE ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS, UM, REGARDING SOME SITE CONSTRAINTS, CHALLENGES HERE.
I MEAN, FLOODING, DRAINAGE AREA.
AND THEN THERE WERE SOME ALLUDING TO SOME LEGAL TRUSTEESHIP ISSUES.
BUT THOSE ISSUES ARE BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A LAND USE DECISION IF THERE ARE FLOODING OR DRAINAGE ISSUES AFFECTING THIS PROPERTY THAT MAKE IT UNSUITABLE FOR A CEMETERY, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT BY ENGINEERING AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UH, WE DID NOT HEAR ANY CONCERNS FROM ENGINEERING AT OUR INITIAL ZONING REVIEW.
TEAM REVIEWS IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS THAT WOULD COME UP AT PERMITTING AND THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THOSE BEFORE, UH, RECEIVING A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT OR A CO.
UM, MR. BATE, YOU AND I ARE GONNA LEARN ABOUT CEMETERIES TOGETHER ON THIS ONE, AREN'T WE? UH, UM, JUST A FEW, A FEW QUESTIONS THAT, THAT MAY, MAY HELP THE COMMISSIONERS.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, THERE IS A, UM, ISLAMIC SECTION IN THE RESTING CEMETERY NEXT DOOR THAT IS VIRTUALLY FULL, AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT THIS APPLICATION IS SEEKING TO CREATE MORE SPACE FOR THAT, THAT COMMUNITY? I AM, YES.
THE APPLICANT DISCUSSED THAT WITH ME EARLIER THIS WEEK.
UM, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THE PARKING SITUATION.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN OR JUST CONFIRM THAT THE PARKING SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN MEETS CODE MINIMUM FOR THIS FACILITY? IT DOES, YES.
THE CODE MINIMUM, AS I RECALL IT, IS TWO, UH, TWO PARKING SPACES FOR A CEMETERY.
UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED, I GUESS, THE DEDICATED PARKING SPACES, THERE WOULD BE SOME AMOUNT OF ABILITY FOR CARS TO LINE UP IN A PROCESSION ALONG THE DRIVEWAYS AS WELL AS TEMPORARY MEASURES, I BELIEVE.
AND, AND YOU AND I DISCUSSED POSSIBLY, UM, WIDENING ONE OF THE DRIVES TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE PARALLEL PARKING TO GET SOME MORE, MORE CARS ON SITE.
I, THE STAFF WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THAT.
AND THEN, UM, DID WE GET ANY CLARITY ON HOW TO SECURE THE SITE AFTER HOURS, LIKE FENCING, GATE GATES, ET CETERA? I DID CHECK THE CHAPTER 11 REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN THERE FOR FENCING OR GATES AND SUCH.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP TO BOTH THE APPLICANT AND PERHAPS HIS BODY TO DISCUSS, UH, AT THE HEAR AT THE HEARING.
UH, LOOKING AT QUICKLY, I PULLED UP ON STREET VIEW.
I JUST STARTED LOOKING AT SOME CEMETERIES, THE RESTYLANE CEMETERY IN RICHARDSON.
IT HAS A VARIETY OF ACCESS ROADS THAT, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, ARE NOT GATED.
AND PRESUMABLY THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON THE HOURS OF WHEN ONE CAN ACTUALLY VISIT.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO SOME CEMETERIES IN DALLAS THAT ARE FENCED OFF AND GATED.
UH, SO CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE A ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.
WOULD YOU AGREE? I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND LASTLY, I THINK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER RAISED AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THE, THE, UH, SOME OF THE CONFLICT AMONG THE BENEFICIARIES OF THE TRUST, UM, WHO MAY ACTUALLY COME AND SPEAK TODAY.
UM, IS THAT IN THAT ISSUE, INDEED, OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, I UNDERSTAND THE ENGINEERING CERTAINLY IS, BUT UM, IF WE HAVE SPEAKERS TODAY THAT, THAT RAISE THIS CONFLICT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER OR NOT? I WOULD CERTAINLY DEFER TO MR. MOORE ON PERHAPS THE MOST AUTHORITATIVE ANSWER, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHOEVER'S LISTED AS THE OWNER OF THE LAND ON THE WARRANTY DEED FOR THE SITE, IN THIS CASE, IT IS THE TRUST AND A SPECIFIC TRUSTEE.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO AUTHORIZE AN APPLICANT TO REQUEST A ZONING CHANGE.
WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION FROM THAT DESIGNATED, DESIGNATED DESIGNEE, UH, AUTHORIZING THE APPLICANT TO DO SO.
IF THEIR TRUST HAS SOME SORT OF INTERNAL RULES REGARDING HOW THEY COME TO DECISIONS AND CONSENSUS AROUND DECISIONS AROUND LAND AND WHATNOT, THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S FOR THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER TO MR. MOORE FOR AUTHORITATIVE ANSWER ON THAT.
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HOUSEWRIGHT, THE TRUSTEE IS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE TRUST.TRUST CAN BE REVOCABLE OR IRREVOCABLE OF BENEFICIARY, WOULDN'T BE SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN OWNER, WOULD BE THE TRUST AND THE TRUSTEE IS THE ADMINISTER OF THAT, UM, ESTATE.
UH, MR. MOORE, IF WE HAVE SPEAKERS TODAY THAT, UM, ARE SPEAKING ON THIS ISSUE, CAN WE INQUIRE OR, OR HAVE THEM STATE THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE TRUST? I SUPPOSE WE COULD, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER CHAPTER, WHAT IS IT? 4.701 SAYS THAT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY HAVE TO SIGN THE APPLICATION IN THIS CASE.
AND THE TRUST TRUSTEE IS THE ADMINISTER OF THAT TRUST.
SO THAT PROVISION OF THE CODE IS SATISFIED BY VIRTUE OF BEING THE TRUSTEE.
THANKS CHAIR RUBIN? YEAH, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UH, FIRST OFF, MR. BATE, I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION, UM, ON THE TRUST PARTY BEFORE WE GOT TO, UM, MR. MOORE.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP, IF YOU KNOW, EVERY OWNER OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES NEED TO CONSENT TO A REZONING APPLICATION UNLESS IT'S AN AUTHORIZED HEARING, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND IF THERE WERE SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER A OWNER OR A CO-OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAD CONSENTED TO A, A ZONING APPLICATION, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT EITHER THE CITY WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSED THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE INTERNALLY, OR SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY THE PLAN COMMISSION COULD TAKE UP AND, AND CONSIDER, RIGHT? SORRY, COULD YOU SAY KINDA THE LAST BIT OF THAT QUESTION JUST TO YEAH.
SO I MEAN, THE QUESTION OF WHETHER A ZONING APPLICATION HAS THE PROPER AUTHORIZATION MM-HMM.
AND IT'S JUST IN THIS SITUATION, SINCE IT'S OWNED BY A TRUST, WE LOOK AT THE TRUSTEE ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND THAT'S AS FAR AS IT GOES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND I'LL JUST NOTE THAT THE, ON THE WARRANTY DEED, IT MENTIONS IT IS AS THE TRUST AND THEN A SPECIFIC PERSON NAMED AS A TRUSTEE, ONLY ONE PERSON, AND THAT'S THE PERSON THAT SIGNED THE LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT ALVA, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK.
UM, SO, UM, GREAT CONVERSATION.
UM, WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UM, IN THE LAND USE THAT, THAT, UH, CEMETERY SOMETIMES GO UNMANAGED FOR WHATEVER REASON.
SOMEONE PASSES AWAY, THE TRUST GOES AWAY.
SOME, UM, ARE IN THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE AND NEW, HAVE, ARE THOSE THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS CITY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CORRECTLY.
UH, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, SHOULD WE CONSIDER WHETHER THE, I GUESS THE LONGEVITY OF, SHOULD WE CONSIDER THE LONGEVITY OF THE PROPOSED USE IN TERMS HOW LONG THE LONGEVITY, THE LONG, UH, THE MAINTENANCE, THE CARE? SURE.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE CITY'S TAKING OVER CEMETERIES.
THE CITY'S NOT TAKING CARE OF CEMETERIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF PARTICULARS.
UH, OAKLAND CEMETERY SET VACANT AND ABANDONED FOR YEARS BEFORE THEY HAD A REVIVAL OF PEOPLE TAKING OVER IT.
SO LIKE, HOW DO WE PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS IN, IN THIS CASE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE BODY THAT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY IS SUITABLE FOR A CEMETERY, NOT WHETHER OR NOT THE OPERATOR IS SUITABLE OR, UH, HAS THE MANAGE MANAGERIAL SKILLS TO OPERATE THE CEMETERY.
EVEN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUP ON THE SITE? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE IS SUITABLE FOR A CEMETERY.
MR. SCHOCK, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR IN THE, IN THE REPORT, UH, UNDER ECONOMIC ELEMENT, YOU CITE GOAL 2.1, PROMOTE BALANCE GROWTH, AND IT SAYS, ENSURE THAT THE ZONING IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO RESPOND TO CHANGING ECONOMIC CONDITIONS.
I'M NOT CLEAR HOW THAT APPLIES.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN MORE HOW THAT APPLIES TO THIS? CERTAINLY, UH, THE APPLICANT I THINK COULD PROVIDE EVEN BETTER, UM, INPUT ON THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOES ON HERE IS THAT CEMETERIES ARE A, A SERVICE, YOU COULD SAY THEY'RE PRODUCT, THEY'RE CERTAINLY A, A SA YOU COULD SAY A SACRED THING, BUT THEY ARE A PRODUCT WHERE THERE IS DEMAND FOR THEM.
AND AS THE CITY GROWS AND AS PEOPLE AGE OUT, THERE'S, THERE'S INCREASED
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DEMAND FOR CEMETERIES AND FOR BURIAL PLOTS AND SUCH.UH, BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT BY CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE A ZONING APPLICATION OR AN SUP IN THIS CASE FOR A CEMETERY, UH, IN OUR VIEW IS RESPONDING TO ECONOMIC CONDITIONS.
IN THIS CASE, THERE'S AN INCREASED DEMAND, THERE'S SOMEONE WILLING TO PROVIDE THE SUPPLY FOR IT.
AND BY ISSUING THIS SUP, IT IS IN RESPONSE TO THOSE CONDITIONS.
COMMISSIONER, UH, BLAIR FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HALL.
I FIND THIS ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING.
UM, AND I APPLAUD YOU GUYS FOR HAVING THE FORTITUDE TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUT MY QUESTION IS, FROM A SUP PERSPECTIVE AND A LAND USE PERS, I KNOW YOU ARE WATCHING ME, DANIEL, AND A
WE, WE USUALLY PUT A TIME LIMIT ON THIS.
ARE WE PUTTING A TIME LIMIT ON THIS ONE, OR IS THIS A PERMANENT SUP? BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A PER CEMETERY ON PROPERTY ZONE IR RIGHT? YES.
AND WE WOULD BE THE, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR PERMANENT SUP UH, PERMANENT TIME LIMIT.
AND THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, IF THERE IS A, THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS WHERE WE CAN REVOKE AN SUP, OOH, QUITE FASCINATING.
UM, HOW DO WE, HOW AND, AND HOW DO WE MANAGE TO THE ZONING OF THIS PARTICULAR USE AND HOW DO WE MANAGE TO THE LONGEVITY OF THIS PARTICULAR USE, DANIEL, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT HAS, HAS DUG THROUGH, 'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S VERY THOROUGH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING HE'S DUG THROUGH AND COME UP WITH AN ANSWER.
UH, SO I THINK I'LL, I'LL TRY TO PROVIDE A, A ANSWER MORE.
SO FROM THE ZONING AND LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UH, IT'S WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT'S I THINK BEING ASKED TO THE BODIES TO CONSIDER WHETHER THIS MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A SET ASIDE, A PART OF A PART OF THE CITY, PART OF THIS LAND TO SERVE AS A CEMETERY FOR, UH, IN PERPETUITY? THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT IS GENERALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A CEMETERY, IT WILL EXIST FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS, THERE'S MUCH STRONGER PROTECTIONS FOR CEMETERIES COMPARED TO, UH, IN THE PAST, I THOUGHT, UH, WE ALL KNOW OF VARIOUS BURIAL GROUNDS OR SITES THAT WERE OFTEN DESECRATED THAT SOMEONE BUILDS OVER.
UH, SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, IN TERMS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND IN TERMS OF STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THIS, WE LOOK AT IT AS, AS A SMALL SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY ADJACENT TO A CEMETERY.
SO THAT MAKES IT APPROPRIATE FOR BEING, UH, BEING THERE.
UH, IT IS NOT A MAJOR DEDICATION OF LAND.
THERE'S EVEN SORT OF THE, JUST THE WAY THE LOT IS CURRENTLY PLANTED OUT THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE HARD TO FIND MANY OTHER USES FOR IT CURRENTLY.
UM, AND THAT IN, IN PERPETUITY, SHOULD THIS AREA EVER CHANGE, SHOULD THERE, FOR INSTANCE, BE A ZONING CHANGE, AN AUTHORIZED HEARING, OR SOME SUCH THAT WERE TO CHANGE THIS? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST BE CONSIDERED, I THINK AS PART OF THE LONG RANGE PLANNING IS THEY WOULD LOOK AT THIS AREA AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S A PERMANENT SEP FOR A CEMETERY HERE.
SO IN TERMS OF THOSE LONG RANGE CONSIDERATIONS AND PLANS, THEY WOULD PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR BEING AROUND THE, THE CEMETERY.
AND JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ONCE A BODY IS BURIED, IT CAN ONLY BE EXHUMED BY COURT ORDER.
SO IF THIS BODY WERE TO PUT A LIMITATION, A TIME LIMITATION ON THAT SUP, IT'S NOT LIKE IF THAT SUP EXPIRED 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE WOULD REMOVE THE BODIES.
I THINK WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS YOU JUST CAN'T BURY ANYONE NEW IN THE CEMETERY.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, AND, AND, AND I KNOW THIS IS OFF TOPIC, BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME THIS, UM, WHEN YOU BURY A BODY, THE, DOESN'T THE FAMILY OWN THAT PLA THAT PLAT OF LAND THAT
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WE BURY THE BODY OR IN, IN TEXAS? IS, IS, IS IT DIFFERENT? SO THAT, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU GET A PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE PLOT ONCE YOU PURCHASE IT.SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO LAND USE.
UM, AND STRICTLY LAND USE, I NOTICED THERE'S A RAILROAD TRACK THAT IS THAT ABUT CYSTS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE OTHER.
IS THERE ANY PLANS? ARE, ARE THESE THE SAME? IS THIS THE, IS IT JUST THE SAME USE OR IS IT THE SAME? IS IT AN EXTENSION OF THE, THE EXISTING, UM, CEMETERY? IT IS, UH, THE SAME, WELL, I WOULD SAY THE SAME USE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.
I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY HOW THEY DEFINE THEIR USES, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE A DUCK, THEY'RE BOTH CEMETERIES.
BUT THIS IS NOT AN EXTENSION OF RESTAND AS FAR AS I KNOW.
THIS IS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL, SO THIS IS A NEW ONE.
JUST, IT'S JUST BEING, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CEMETERY ONE AND CEMETERY TWO FOR, FOR LACK OF BETTER OF DESCRIPTION.
AND IT, IT HAS THE, THE, THE UNION PACIFIC RAIL THAT, THAT SEPARATES THE TWO.
AND, AND THE, THE EGRESS AND INGRESS IS COMING FROM SHERMAN.
COMMISSIONER HALL HOUSEWIFE HERBERT.
WELL, COMMISSIONER BLAIR SORT OF GOT TO WHERE I WAS GONNA GO.
UH, THAT THERE, THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS IS VIA SHERMAN STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S A DART.
IS THAT A DART RAIL LINE THAT'S, UH, THERE OR IS THAT A, A COMMERCIAL RAIL LINE? I SEE MICHAEL NODDING.
SO THE NICE, THE ONLY ACCESS WOULD BE A SHERMAN STREET? YES.
AND IT'S A VERY LONG, NARROW, SKINNY PROPERTY.
THERE WOULD NOT BE ACCESS ANYWHERE ELSE? UH, NO, THERE WOULD NOT BE ACCESS ANYWHERE ELSE.
UH, MR. BATE, COULD IT BE THAT YOUR, UH, COMFORT LEVEL WITH A PERMANENT SUP, UH, HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THE SITE HAS REMAINED UNDEVELOPED FOR SEVERAL DECADES, UH, HAS A VERY IRREGULAR SHAPE AND VERY LIMITED VISIBILITY AND ACCESS, MAKING IT NOT PARTICULARLY VIABLE FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, ALTHOUGH IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, BUT, UM, NOT TO LEAD YOU TOO MUCH, BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE REASON WHY.
THOSE WOULD ALL BE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS THAT LOOK FAVORABLY UPON A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD FOR THIS AMONG AND, AND PRACTICAL CONCERNS AS WELL.
COULD YOUR POINT OF VIEW ALSO HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN A NUISANCE PROPERTY WITH A LOT OF TRASH AND DUMPING ON THE SITE, AS WELL AS, UM, UH, HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS? THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS PART OF THE, UH, ANALYSIS, BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL AS THE OKAY.
SO WOULD YOU AGREE THAT A PERMANENT SUP BY A A USE THAT, UH, WOULD BE COMMITTED TO TAKING CARE OF THE GROUNDS COULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, I, I TAKE IT THE CITY HASN'T APPROVED A SUP OR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A CEMETERY FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE SOMEONE IN THE ARCHIVIST DIVISION TO PULL, UM, SOME TYPE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS AROUND CEMETERIES AND HOW THESE CITIES O UH, REGULATED THEM? UM, BECAUSE I'M READING INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEED FOR LONG-TERM MANAGEMENT IN, IN, IN FINANCIAL STABILITY FOR ZONING CASES IN THE PAST FOR CEMETERIES.
UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THAT CLEARED OR A QUESTION ASKED? I THINK CERTAINLY WE COULD TALK TO THE ARCHIVIST TO FIND WE, WE WOULD NEED SOME MORE SPECIFIC, UH, I THINK INFORMATION ON WHAT'S TO REQUEST.
UH, CHAPTER 11 OF THE CITY CODE IS, I BELIEVE THE MAIN GOVERNING PORTION OF THE CITY'S ORDINANCES ON CEMETERY OPERATION.
UH, OTHER THAN THE RESTRICTION OR OTHER THAN THE BLANKET BAN ON NEW CEMETERIES, EVERYTHING ELSE IS STILL IN EFFECT.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SEVERABLE SYS, UH, SEVERABLE CODE, SO IT CAN, YOU CAN REMOVE THAT, BUT THE REST OF IT'S STILL IN EFFECT.
IT DOES ADD REGULATIONS AROUND, UH, INTERMENT.
IT HAS REGULATIONS AROUND NOTIFICATION TO WHAT IT MAKES REFERENCE TO A DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD NOW BE SUPERSEDED BY THE COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO STATE LEVEL REGULATIONS, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL, IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONS OF IT, THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ASK THOSE THINGS,
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CHAIR HOUSE.RIGHT, BUT MR. MOORE ISN'T OPERATION OF AN APPLICANT OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION.
THAT, THAT COMES AWAY FROM THE LAND USE AND GOES MORE TOWARDS THE USER AND NOT, NOT THE USE ITSELF.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION WAS HISTORICALLY, HOW DO WE DO IT? SO THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
CASE NUMBER NINE ALSO HAS TO COME OFF CONSENT COMMISSIONERS EIGHT AND NINE.
UH, I BELIEVE ANDREA IS GOING TO BE, UM, PRESENTING THIS CASE.
UM, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
I'M GONNA DO THIS PRESENTATION.
IS IT FULL SCREEN? DO I NEED TO DO ANYTHING? UH, WE WORKED THE CASE TOGETHER, MAN WILSON.
UM, AND I ALSO HAVE OFFICE FOR HOMELESS SOLUTIONS IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO ITEM Z 2 3 4 180 5 IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL.
NUMBER 2 4 5 53 FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS LOCATED WITHIN SUBDISTRICT THREE C OF PD NUMBER SEVEN 14, THE WEST COMMERCE STREET FOR, UH, STREET FORT WORTH, AVENUE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
IT'S ON THE SOUTH LINE OF FOURTH AVENUE, IS APPROXIMATELY 0.8 ACRES IN AREA.
IT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, SURROUNDED BY PD SEVEN 14.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL TO THE NORTH AND A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, ZONING TO THE SOUTH.
UM, THIS, THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY DEVELOPED, UH, WITH A BUILDING THAT USED TO BE USED AS A HOTEL.
THE INTENT IS TO DO AN ADAPTIVE REUSE AND, UH, OPERATE THE SITE THAT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WITH WRAPAROUND SERVICES.
AS I WAS SAYING, THE LAND USE SERVES AROUND IT.
THERE ARE, THERE'S VACANT LAND TO THE EAST, UH, WAREHOUSE AND RETAIL TO THE WEST, MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH, AND TO THE NORTH, UH, OFFICE AND SOUTH STORAGE.
IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE COMPLEX BACKGROUND.
I THINK WE ALL REMEMBER THIS CASE CAME IN FRONT OF US IN 2022 IN APRIL WHEN WE APPROVED A NEW SUBDISTRICT IN PD SEVEN 14 TO CREATE THE SPECIFIC USE AND ASSOCIATED REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY TO PARKING AND LIGHTING.
UM, WE CREATED, THIS IS THE DEFINITION FOR THE USE AS IT IS IN THE PD.
AND THE DEFINITION INCLUDES SERVICES TO SUPPORT THIS USE.
UM, THE SITE, UH, IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING OPERATED, IS BEING UNDER ADAPTIVE REUSE.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO START OPERATION YET.
UM, IT IS PLANNED TO CONTINUE TO UNDERGO THE REMODELING TO OFFER THE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND SERVICES.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES, AND THEY WERE NEVER PROPOSED CHANGING TO THE SITE LAYOUT AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
UM, SOME PICTURES, AS I WAS SAYING, THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SIGN THAT THERE IS INTERIOR REMODELING, UM, GOING ON OR PLANNING TO BE, UM, TO HAPPEN.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM FORT AVENUE.
I WANTED TO STOP A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE A SMALL, UH, REMARK.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AS TWO ACTUALLY SMALL REMARKS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS SUP.
UM, IN 2022, THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO REMODEL THE INTERIOR.
UM, THE TABLE THAT YOU SEE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ON THE SITE PLAN, I'M SORRY, IT'S FOR PARKING PURPOSES ONLY, BUT IT DOES, UH, QUOTE 40 UNITS.
THERE'S NOT A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AS LONG AS THE, UM, NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE DEVELOPED OR THE SERVICES ARE GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN THE INTERIOR CAN COMPLY WITH THE PARKING RATIO.
SO THE DISCIPLINES STILL APPLIES.
WE ARE GONNA PROBABLY ADD THIS NOTE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THERE'S NO INTERPRETATION THAT, UH, THERE'S A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE ASSEMBLED INSIDE OR DEVELOPED INSIDE.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND REMARK THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THE SUP EXPIRES ACTUALLY NEXT YEAR.
UM, THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS OFFICE FOR HOMELESS SOLUTION, DECIDED TO APPLY EARLIER SO THEY CAN, UM, RENEW IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BECAUSE THEY WANNA BE DONE WITH THE INTERIOR REMODELING AND THEY WANNA START OPERATING IT FOR A LITTLE BIT BEFORE IT COMES FOR A TRUE RENEWAL, UH, FOR A RENEWAL AFTER A LITTLE BIT OF OPERATION.
AS I WAS SAYING, NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE ALREADY 42, I THINK, PARKING SPACES THAT ARE INDICATED ON THE SITE PLAN.
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THESE ARE THE SUP CONDITIONS.THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE CONDITIONS IS BASICALLY THE TIMEFRAME.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A FIVE YEARS, UH, PLUS, UH, AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.
UM, AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. JR, WHAT IS THE STAFF'S RATIONALE FOR PROPOSING AUTO RENEWALS ON A, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO CUSTOMARILY BE OUR PRACTICE FOR SOME, UH, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A NEW OPERATION.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW OPERATION SINCE IT IS NEVER, UH, PROVIDED ANY SERVICES AT THIS LOCATION.
YES, YOU, YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT IN THAT RESPECT, WE ARE LOOKING MORE WITH AN ANGLE THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE TYPE OF USE AND OFFERS HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN NEED.
UH, WE ALSO KNOW THAT IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES THAT WE WILL FORESEE AND, UH, AUTOMATICALLY RENEWAL, IT AUTOMATICALLY WILL, UH, GET US TO RECOMMEND IT OR TO BRING IT BACK TO CPC.
SO WE KNOW THAT THE AUTO RENEWALS DO OFFER THAT.
UM, UM, IF THERE IS ANY NON-COMPLIANCE SITUATION, WE DO HAVE THAT OPTION TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
BUT TO CLARIFY, THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS IS LOOKING AT COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN TO, TO BRING IT BACK TO CPC, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE 20% OF THE, UH, 20% OF THE LAND WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
THE OWNERS OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO, UM, FILE OBJECTIONS FOR WHATEVER REASON TO BRING IT BACK.
OR NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN.
SO IF THERE'S AN ADDITION, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, I DON'T KNOW, THE PARKING IS NOT STRIPED OR STUFF LIKE THAT, WE CAN ALWAYS THE PER THE, PER THE CODE, THE DIRECTOR HAS TO, UH, SCHEDULE IT FOR CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
BUT IF THERE WERE JUST OPERATIONAL ISSUES THAT WE'RE CAUSING, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA, THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THE STAFF WOULD AUTOMATICALLY PICK UP THROUGH A SITE PLAN COMPLIANCE REVIEW.
YES, AND I WILL GIVE IT TO CHRISTINE, BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS LIKE, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE SUP IS LAND USE ONLY AND SITE PLAN COMPLIANCE ONLY.
SO THE OPERATION, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO, UH, DETACH THE OPERATOR FROM THE LAND USE.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY YES, IF THERE ARE OTHER COMPLAINTS, WE WON'T GET TO THEM UNLESS THEY ARE RELATED TO THE DISCIPLINE AND EXPANSIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
HOWEVER, OUR, OUR, I MEAN, HAVING BEEN ON CPC FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS, IT SEEMS THAT OUR NORMAL PRACTICE IS TO AWARD A NEW USE OF FIXED TIME PERIOD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER AUTO RENEWALS AFTER WE HAVE SOME KIND OF TRACK RECORD.
AND THAT'S WHY WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE BODY TO CONSIDER THAT.
COMMISSIONER HALL UP FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER TURN.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND CITY OF DALLAS WILL OPERATE IT.
SO THE CITY OF DALLAS IS GOING TO CONVEY IT AND THEN, UM, IT WILL BE, UH, OWNED AND OPERATED BY A NEW OPERATOR.
HOWEVER, WITHIN THE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SUP AND THERE'S ALWAYS A, UM, ARE WE GONNA KEEP A WRITER REVERTER ON THIS ONE? YES.
UH, WRITER REVERTER IN CASE IT DEVIATES FROM THAT PURPOSE.
WILL THE OPERATOR BE A CONTRACTOR TO THE CITY OR, UH, A NON-PROFIT? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, THE RELATIONSHIP? SO THE, UH, OPERATORS COMING THROUGH A NOTICE OF FUNDING AVAILABILITY, SO IT'LL BE A DEVELOPER BRINGING IN AN OPERATOR AS WELL.
UM, AND UM, THAT ALSO WE HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT THAT IS, UM, REALLY HOW YOU MAKE SURE THAT EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE LAND USE THE OPERATOR AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING MEETS WITH COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, UM, THAT HAVE HELPED SHAPE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SHAPED THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT AND, UM, ACTUALLY TIED THAT TO THE SUP.
SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE TRIGGERS IN THERE SHOULD, SHOULD, UM, THE OPERATOR BE OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS EXPECTING.
AND WILL THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, KEEP OWNERSHIP OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY? SO AGAIN, NO, BUT WE HAVE A RIGHT OF REVERTER SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN.
LET'S SAY THAT THEY MOVE OUTSIDE OF THE SUP, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SUP COMES BACK FOR RENEWAL AND IT IS, UH, DENIED THE PROPERTY WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE CITY AND PART OF THAT IS ALSO GOVERNED BY THE EXPECTATION WITHIN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE A COMMUNITY LIAISON AND CERTAIN, UM, BODIES THAT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE TO BE MET WITH, UM, EVERYTHING FROM THAT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, UH, NOISE POLICIES AND WHO'S ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY AND WHO'S NOT.
MS. CROLEY, COULD YOU JUST PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? YES, SORRY.
UH, CHRISTINE CROSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.
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SHENA.UH, TOP OF THE LIST WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY TAKEN BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, BUT I'LL GO TO THE SECOND QUESTION HERE.
UM, JUST SO I'M, I'M CLEAR THE UNIT COUNT IS NOT GERMANE TO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, LOOKING AT TODAY WITH REGARD TO THE SUP.
I'M SORRY, THE WHAT? THE UNIT COUNT.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY NO, WE DIDN'T REVIEW IT LIKE THAT.
WE OBVIOUSLY ARE DRIVEN BY THE PUBLIC SERVICE, THE SERVICE THAT THIS USE IS OFFERING.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, JUST SO I'M CLEAR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE CLEAR JUST ON THE HISTORY HERE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN OPERATOR THAT, UM, PULLED OUT FROM, FROM THE PROJECT AND THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THIS WENT BACK OUT FOR, I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNICAL TERM, BUT SOME KIND OF REQUEST FOR, YOU KNOW, A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, A, A NEW CONTRACTOR.
UM, CITY SQUARE WAS THE INTENDED OPERATOR, MR. CHAIR.
I THINK THIS IS GETTING TOO MUCH INTO THE OPERATOR AND STRAYING AWAY FROM THE LAND USE.
THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE ISSUE BEFORE THE BODY UNDERSTOOD.
I WOULD RESPOND TO SAY THAT THE CHANGE IN OPERATOR AND THE TIMEFRAME THAT IT TOOK WITH THE CONTRACT AND ALL OF THAT DID, UH, TRIGGER OR OFFICE FOR HOMELESS SOLUTION WANTED TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT.
THAT'S WHY THEY BROUGHT IT UP FOR RENEWAL EARLIER.
AND, AND JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, IT'S NEVER BEEN OPERATED, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
RIGHT NOW IT IS, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO THE STUDS, UM, SO THAT IT CAN BE FULLY REMODELED BY WHOEVER IS AWARDED.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.
MS. CROSSLEY, YOU REFERENCED THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT.
IS THAT STILL BINDING OR WAS THAT NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PRIOR OPERATOR THAT'S NOW NO LONGER INVOLVED, OR IS THIS, WAS THE CITY A SIGNATORY TO IT? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
SO IT WAS CREATED BY THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO BE ADDED TO WHO, WHICHEVER PROPOSER'S CONTRACT, UH, IS SIGNED.
SO, UH, IT IS, IT WILL BE BINDING TO WHOMEVER TAKES OVER.
BLA MY QUESTION, UM, IS FOR THE LENGTH OF THE SUP, UM, MS. CROSSLEY, YOU SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING IS UNBUILT.
IT IS, IT IS, UM, UH, DEMOLISHED WAITING FOR IT TO, UH, REBUILT, CORRECT.
THE INTERIOR, YES, THE IN, WE DID ASBESTOS ABATEMENT, UM, AND TOOK EVERYTHING OUT OF THE INTERIOR.
SO DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE AS TO WHEN YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE COMPLETED? SO IS A FIVE YEAR SUP FOR THE TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO COMPLETE, TO PROVIDE NEW, NEW, UH, RESIDENTS INTO THE FACILITY AND FOR US, OR FOR THE CITY OR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND IT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE LAND USED IS, IS A GOOD USE OF LAND AT THAT SPOT? YES.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING FIVE YEAR, NOT THREE YEAR RENEWAL.
UM, IT'S GOING TO TAKE, I MEAN, A LOT OF IT WILL DEPEND ON THE MARKET AND HOW DEVELOPMENTS GO, BUT I BELIEVE ABOUT A YEAR OR SO FOR IT TO, UM, HAVE, UH, THE DOORS OPEN AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROVIDER, UH, CAN HAVE AT LEAST TWO YEARS UNDER THEIR BELT BEFORE THEY COME BACK SO THAT THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF OPERATIONAL DATA THERE TO REVIEW.
IT'D BE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE THE COMPLETE BUILD OUT.
UM, AND THEN SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR FOR IT TO BE COMPLETELY OPERATIONAL AND THEN TWO YEARS TO, TO SEE UNDERNEATH THE BELT TO SEE IF IT'S A GOOD USE OF LAND AT THIS PARTICULAR SPOT.
I, WITHOUT HAVING THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF ME, I WOULD, AND WITHOUT KNOWING HOW THE MARKET WILL REACT, THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE TIMELINE.
I HOPE IT'LL OPEN SOONER THAN THAT.
WE'LL HAVE MORE DATA, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, WE EXPECT TO HAVE TWO YEARS OF SOLID OPERATING DATA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONERS? YES, PLEASE.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF NOT MAKING THE FIRST ONE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THINGS, I KNOW THAT IT'S A PUBLIC KIND OF SERVICE DEAL, BUT WE KNOW THAT SOMETIME LOSS IN TRANSLATION AND SOMETHING JUST, JUST ON THAT FIRST YEAR, UM, AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AND THAT TOO.
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THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.I WOULD SAY FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE DO, I THINK WE HAVE A DUTY TO ENDORSE PUBLIC SERVICE.
IT IS UP TO THE BODY FOR SURE, LIKE YOU HAVE THE, UM, OPTION TO CHANGE THEIR TIMEFRAME OF THE RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, REMOVE THE ORDER RENEWALS AS A, AS A, AS A BODY.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONERS TAKES US TO, UH, CASE NUMBER 10.
UH, DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ANY UPDATES ON THERE.
UH, RUBEN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND WE'LL JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND.
UH, WE'LL GO TO, UH, NUMBER 11.
YOU WANNA BRIEF IT TODAY OR NO? SORRY, WHICH ONE? THIS ONE.
WE'LL WAIT TILL 1112 IS GONNA GET HELD.
COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD, ITEM NUMBER 12 IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JULY 11TH, AND WE WILL BRIEF IT THEN, UH, TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 13.
THAT IS ALSO GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO, UH, JUNE 6TH.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRIEF IT TODAY, COMMISSIONER HALL OR THAT OR THEN, OR LET'S WAIT AND BRIEF IT ON JUNE 6TH.
UH, I THINK OUR, OUR PLANNERS THAT ARE OUT IN A, ON ANOTHER MEETING FOR THE FIRST TWO CASES ARE STILL OUT.
IS THAT RIGHT? FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNTIL, UNTIL 11.
THEY'RE WORKING ON THE MIGRATION TO ACELA.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN ALL TRANSPARENCY, THEY'RE WAY WORKING TO MAKE THE PROCESS BETTER AND IT, THEY COULDN'T GET OUT OF IT, SO THEY CAN BE BACK AT 11 THEN.
MR. VANDERBERG, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.
OKAY, MR. VANDERBERG, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK ON YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS.
IT IS 10:43 AM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 14, IT'S GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO JULY 25TH.
UH, I KNOW WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME FOLKS THAT I KNOW WANNA SPEAK ON THE SIDE AND SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS, SO WE ARE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT IS REGISTERED AND WOULD LIKE TO COME DOWN, BUT JUST KNOW, WE'LL NOT BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM TODAY.
WE'RE GONNA HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT TO THE 25TH OF JULY, AND WE DO HAVE THE TEAM HERE READY TO BRIEF IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE IT.
UH, WOULD ANYONE LIKE IT BRIEF TODAY? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, BLACK.
UM, SO IF WE'RE HOLDING THIS UNTIL THE 25TH AND WE HAVE, AND I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE THE SPEAKER LIST, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES.
SO DO WE, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THOSE, THOSE BODIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, DO WE NOT NEED TO KNOW WHAT CHANGES IS IS IN THIS TO BE BRIEFED ON OR CAN WE JUST LISTEN AND, AND SAY UHHUH UHHUH? NO.
SINCE, YEAH, SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HOLD THE ITEM.
UH, WE CAN TAKE PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN A MOTION IS GONNA BE MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT? TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO THE 25TH.
AND SO WE CAN STILL HAVE IT BRIEF IF, IF, UH, ANY OF US, ANY ANYONE IN THE BODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT BRIEFED.
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ITEM 15, UH, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 14.ONE, WE'VE GOT A DETAILED WRITTEN REPORT ON THIS IN THE DOCKET EXPLAINING THE CHANGES.
AND, AND THEN JUST TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE, WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, ZAC MADE A MOTION THAT, UM, THAT REQUESTED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COME UP WITH THE WAY IN WHICH THE PUBLIC COULD CONTINUE TO INITIATE THE, UM, COMPLIANCE PROCESS IN LIGHT OF THE CHANGES MADE BY SENATE BAILED 9 29, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
ZAC ACTUALLY ASKED US, ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND STAFF TO COME UP WITH A WAY FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC TO APPROACH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IT.
WE, WE, WE PLAYED AROUND WITH THAT AND CAME UP WITH THE WAY THAT, THAT WE CAME UP WITH YOU GUYS NOW, WHERE IT'S MORE OF A FUNDING ISSUE AND THEN THE PUBLIC COULD STILL APPLY.
SO ZAC HAD, DIDN'T, HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO VET THE PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT THAT WAS IN OUR DOCKET TODAY THAT CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAME UP WITH, RIGHT? THE, THE, THAT ONE POINT THAT IS CORRECT.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE LANGUAGE ZAC SAW, BUT THAT ONE, THAT ONE METHOD THEY DID NOT.
THAT, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF FRESH EYES ON THIS, THIS ONE PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE LANGUAGE, WHICH WAS POSTED IN OUR DOCKET ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, RIGHT? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER HALL, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE, THE STATE LAW, THE CITY HAS TO BECOME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAW? YES.
THERE'S EVERY LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THERE IS A, A LOT OF STATE LAWS THAT WE, WE MOVE A LOT OF ORDINANCES THROUGH TO COMPLY WITH.
SO THE POLICY THAT WE, THAT PREDATED THAT IS SORT OF OUT THE DOOR NOW.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS THE CASE, YES.
AND THEN, BUT CAN WE SORT OF TWEAK IT AROUND THE EDGES? IS THAT WHAT ZAC WAS TRYING TO DO HERE? THAT, THAT IS WHAT ZAC ASKED US TO DO, AND WE THINK WE'VE DONE IT WITHIN THE BOUNDS THAT WE WERE GIVEN.
AND HAS THE CITY DECIDED TO SET UP THIS FUND? TO, TO, RIGHT NOW IT IS BEING AT CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
Y'ALL WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS YOU DO ON ALL ZONING AMENDMENTS, AND THEN CITY, UH, COUNCIL WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEY WILL BE THE FINAL, THEY'LL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS ON IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER COOPER? I, SORRY.
UM, THE WHAT'S BEFORE US AS A DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT ADDRESSES STRICTLY NON-CONFORMING BUSINESSES, CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
WHAT IS THE, I MEAN, THERE CERTAINLY ARE, HAVE TO BE BUSINESS THAT BUSINESSES THAT TECHNICALLY CONFORM TO THEIR ZONING THAT ARE ALSO PRESENTING ENVIRONMENTAL OR NUISANCE ISSUES.
WHAT IS THE CITY'S PROCEDURE FOR DEALING WITH THOSE? IF SOMEONE, IS IT JUST CODE COMPLIANCE? IS IT COMMUNITY PROSECUTION? I BELIEVE BOTH COMMUNITY PROSECUTION AND CODE COMPLIANCE WOULD BE THE, THE AVENUES FOR IT.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE A DRIVE BY OPINION WHERE I'M NOT ACTUALLY CLEAR OF, OF, OF ALL THAT, BUT THOSE WOULD BE WHERE I WOULD GO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, DO WE HAVE OUR FOLKS READY FOR OUR OTHER PIECE? GOOD MORNING, MAYOR
WELL, WELL, GOOD MORNING, MS. WEBB.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP THIS SEAT WARM FOR YOU.
DO WE HAVE OUR TEAM READY FOR THE THREE ITEMS? UH, THEY'RE NOT BACK UNTIL 11, RIGHT? OKAY.
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OR DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING ITEMS? I I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE, THE FOUR DALLAS PIECE UNTIL WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME.DID WE COVER THE WHOLE DOCKET? WE DID.
SO WE DID THE WHOLE DOCKET, RIGHT? THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE NOT HERE TILL 11.
SO LET'S TAKE A BREAK TILL WE'LL START AT SHARP, 11 O'CLOCK SHARP.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL BREAK TO VISIT WITH OUR VERY SPECIAL GUEST.
WE'LL BE BACK ONLINE AT 11:00 AM 10 50.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S, UH, 11 O'CLOCK.
AND WE WILL HEAD BACK INTO THE DOCKET WITH THE, UH, THREE ITEMS, UH, THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS, BEGINNING WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING AROUND OUR SCHEDULE, BY THE WAY.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2160 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN SUB AREA SEVEN OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 6 WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 0.2031 ACRES.
THE LOCATION MAP IS SHOWING THE SITE TO BE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD AND INE ROAD.
THIS IS THE AERIAL AND ZONING LAND USE MAP.
AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE EAST, WE HAVE RETAIL WITH PD 360 6, SUB AREA ONE, AND THEN RESTAURANT WIDTH, UH, WHICH IS THE CORRECTION MADE.
UM, AND THEN TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH IS A CEMETERY.
AND AS WELL AS FURTHER DOWN TO THE WEST, WE ALSO HAVE THE UNDEVELOPED, UH, LAND, WHICH IS MU ONE.
SO A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE SUP.
UM, IN NOVEMBER, 2015, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAD APPROVED IT FOR TWO YEARS WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL.
AND THEN IN DECEMBER, 2018, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAD GRANTED THE RENEWAL FOR TWO YEARS WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL.
AND THEN IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, UM, THE SCP WAS GRANTED FOR THREE YEARS WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIODS.
THEREFORE, THE CURRENT REQUEST IS THE APPLICATION FOR THE FIRST THREE YEAR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF SCP 2160.
ALTHOUGH DUE TO THE NON-COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS OF THE SUP, THE APPLICATION MUST BE FORWARDED TO CPC AND COUNSEL FOR FURTHER ACTION.
AND THEN FURTHER ACTION IS DEFINED, UM, BY CPC.
THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION SHALL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE PROPOSED RENEWAL BASED ON STAFF REPORTS, FIELD INSPECTIONS, AND EVIDENCE PRE, UH, PRESENTED AT IS PUBLIC HEARING.
MOVING ON TO THE, UH, SEP CONDITION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN, USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY MUST COMPLY WITH THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN.
UM, DURING OUR INITIAL SITE VISIT, WE NOTICED THAT, UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOT MEETING COMPLIANCE.
ONE OF THEM WAS THE DUMPSTER SCREENING.
UM, IT WAS OUTSIDE A SCREENING AREA, UM, BUT IT IS NOW IN COMPLIANCE FROM WHAT WE SAW.
UM, AND THEN LANDSCAPING IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE OUTSTANDING, UH, CONDITIONS THAT STILL, UH, IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE YET.
UM, THERE WERE REPLACEMENT PLANTINGS, UH, ON INSTALLED ON THE SITE TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT HOWEVER, FROM STAFF, WE DID LEARN THAT THE PLANT SIZES WERE NOT THE MINIMUM STANDARD REQUIRED.
MOVING ON TO SCP CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS GENERAL REQUIREMENTS USE OF THE PROPERTY MUST COMPLY WITH ALL ORDINANCES, RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, LOOKING WHEN DURING OUR INITIAL SITE
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VISIT, I WOULD SAY, UH, WE DID NOTICE THAT THERE WERE GAMING MACHINES ON THE PREMISES, WHICH PROMPTED US TO FURTHER LOOK INTO THE CO.AND THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THE CEO SPECIFICALLY REMARKS THAT, UM, NO COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE IS ALLOWED OF ANY KIND.
UH, AND WE DID SEND THE FEEDBACK LETTER TO THE APPLICANT SO THEY WERE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, AND AFTER THAT, THEY HAD REMOVED THE GAMING MACHINES.
ALTHOUGH BECAUSE THERE WAS A FIRE INCIDENT, WE WERE NEVER, NEVER ABLE TO GO BACK AND INSPECT THE SITE.
UM, THE C-STORE LICENSE, UH, WAS RE UH, WAS CURRENTLY IN REINSPECTION AT THE TIME OF THE FIRE.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A ADDITIONAL PERMIT FOR A BUILDING, UH, FOR THE BUILDING ADDITION IN THE NORTH SIDE AND REQUIRED INSPECTIONS.
BUT THE APPLICANT WAS IN CONTACT WITH THE, UH, DISTRICT IN INSPECTION OFFICE AT THE TIME, BUT, UM, THEY HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO OBTAIN THE REQUIRED PERMITS.
SO THESE ARE A COUPLE, UH, SITE PICTURES FOR THE LANDSCAPING OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, TO THE LEFT AND BELOW.
THESE WERE FROM THE INITIAL SITE VISITS.
PER THE SITE PLAN, IT IS NOTED THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SEVEN FOOT DEEP THICK SHRUBS, ALTHOUGH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS NOT PLANTED THERE.
AND SOME OF THE PLANTINGS WERE, UM, NOT IN THE HEALTHY CONDITION FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONAL PICTURES FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT.
AND THE MOST RECENT SITE VISIT, AS YOU CAN SEE, A TREE WAS PLANTED ON THE NORTH PERIMETER, UM, BUT IT STILL DOES NOT MEET THE COMPLIANCE.
UM, AND THEN DURING MY FINAL LAST VISIT, UM, WHICH WAS ON MAY 10TH, THE SITE IS COMPLETELY BARRICADED.
SO THERE'S NO SERVICE, THERE'S NO, UM, PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE SITE AT THE MOMENT.
THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING ON BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
UH, THE FRONTAGE, UM, PER THE SITE PLAN, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, FILLED IN SHRUBS TO PROVIDE CONTINUOUS SCREEN WHERE LARGE SHRUBS ARE PLANTED NO CLOSER THAN 24 INCHES ON CENTER.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE ARE NOT, UM, PLANTED, THEREFORE THEY'RE MISSING FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, LANDSCAPING SITE PHOTOS.
UM, THE LEFT IS FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FILL AND SHRUBS ARE NOT THERE, OR THEY'RE LIKE MISSING, BUT NOT IN THE HEALTHY GROWING CONDITION.
AND THE PICTURE ON THE BELOW RIGHT IS FROM THE MOST RECENT SITE VISIT, UM, IN WHICH THAT'S WHEN I MENTIONED THAT THE SITE IS COMPLETELY BARRICADED AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO BRING IT BACK INTO COMPLIANCE.
THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING OFF OF SEIN ROAD.
UM, TO THE LEFT IS FROM THE INITIAL SITE VISIT.
UH, AGAIN, JUST WITH THE SITE PLAN NOTATIONS, THE FILL AND SHRUBS NEEDED TO BE THERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE, UM, NOT IN THE HEALTHY GROWING CONDITION, THEREFORE, THEY NEEDED TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED.
AND, UM, IN RECENT NEWS, THERE HAVE BEEN A FIRE DAMAGE INCIDENT IN WHICH, UH, CAUSED THE ENTIRE STORE TO BE NOT IN OPERATION, AND THE SITE IS BARRICADED.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE NOTICED ON MY MOST RECENT SITE VISIT.
THIS IS THE EXISTING SUP, UH, SITE PLAN IS FOR REFERENCE.
AND PER THE SUP 21 CONDITIONS, UM, STAFF STAFFERS RECOMMENDING, UM, A ONE YEAR, UH, RENEWAL, UH, JUST TO SEE IF THEY CAN BE ABLE TO BRING THE SITE BACK INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, ALTHOUGH THE EXISTING SUP UH, EXPIRES, OBVIOUSLY BACK THEN, UH, NOVEMBER 11TH, 2023, BUT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIODS.
THEREFORE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR THE ADDITIONAL, UH, THREE YEAR PERIOD AND APPROVAL OF THE RENEWAL OF, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2160 FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD IN LIEU OF THE REQUESTED AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
UH, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, IS THIS A FUELING STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT? IS THIS A FUELING STATION WITH A, UH, WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE? YES.
IS THE FUELING STATION PORTION STILL OPERATIONAL? NO.
SO WITH THE FIRE, THE WHOLE, UH, OPERATION, THE, THE FUELING PORTION AS WELL AS THE CONVENIENCE STORE BECAME NON-OPERATIONAL.
IT WAS JUST THE, THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE, THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE OCCURRED, BUT NOT FOR THE FUELING STATION AREA.
SO THE FUELING STATIONS, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, ARE STILL OPERATIONAL, BUT THERE'S NO ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME.
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TAKEN THE WHOLE PROPERTY OUT OF, OUT OF COMMISSION.BUT CONCEIVABLY, IF THEY WERE TO OPEN THE BARRICADES, THEY COULD STILL OPERATE THE, THE FUEL PUMPS ON A, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR CARD IN.
THEY JUST COULDN'T DO ANY TRANSACTIONS INSIDE.
THEN ANOTHER QUESTION, PLEASE.
IF THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THE FIRE AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE BROUGHT IT IN A NON-CON NON-OPERATIONAL STATE.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? THE BUYER BROUGHT THE CONVENIENCE STORE IN A COMPLETELY NON-OPERATIONAL STATE.
WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE INSIDE, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE THE CASE.
SO CAN YOU HELP ME APPRECIATE WHY WE WOULD, IS IF THEY WERE IN NON-CON AND THEY WERE IN A STATE OF NON-COMP COMPLIANCY, UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR STATE OF NON-COMPLIANCE HAD BEEN EXISTING FOR A WHILE, WOULD, WOULD IT, SHE KNOWS WHAT'S COMING
UM, AND I THINK THE, THE FIRE WAS SORT OF THE, THE, THE WEIRD FACTOR HERE.
SO TYPICALLY AS Y'ALL, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, IT'S NOT, UH, VERY NORMAL THAT WE BRING AN AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL TO YOU.
UM, SO WE HAD TOLD THEM ALREADY PRIOR TO THE FIRE THAT WE WERE GOING TO PREPARE TO TAKE THIS TO PLAN COMMISSION.
UM, BUT ALSO WE GAVE THEM THE ADVICE AT THAT POINT THAT YOU STILL HAVE THE THREE WEEKS OR WHATEVER PRIOR TO PLAN COMMISSION.
WE WOULD ADVISE YOU TO WORK DILIGENTLY TO HAVE IT IN COMPLIANCE BY THE TIME YOU'RE AT THE HEARING.
UM, AND TYPICALLY APPLICANTS WOULD HAVE THAT EXTRA AMOUNT OF TIME, HOWEVER, THE FIRE HAPPENED, BASICALLY RIGHT AFTER WE TOLD THEM WE WERE PREPARING TO BRING IT TO THE HEARING.
SO IN STAFF'S ESTIMATION, THEY, I, I DO SEE EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT IN OUR ESTIMATION, THEY LOST THAT ADDITIONAL TIME THAT THEY WOULD'VE HAD.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A BUNCH OF FIRE DAMAGE REPAIR.
UM, IT WILL TAKE THEM TIME TO GET UP AND RUNNING.
SO RATHER THAN COMING HERE AND RECOMMENDING DENIAL, WHICH IF THE FIRE HADN'T HAPPENED, WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE DONE THAT, BUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ADDITIONAL TIME, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE TIME TO BRING THE FIRE DAMAGE BACK, BRING EVERYTHING INTO COMPLIANCE, A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME.
THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND APPLY FOR A STANDARD RENEWAL AT THAT POINT.
SO IT'S, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THE BODY COULD GO WITH DENIAL, UM, BUT THE FIRE WAS SORT OF THE MITIGATING FACTOR TO US.
I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, OR MAYBE TWO.
UM, IF, IF, IF, IF THE, THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IF THEY HAD NOT HAD THE FIRE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DENIAL AND THE, THE FI AND, AND THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE WITHIN A YEAR THEY COULD COMPLETE ALL OF THE, THE REPAIRS THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, IN ORDER TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY AGAIN ANYHOW, WOULD IT NOT? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE GOING, WHERE YOU'RE GOING FROM, YOU'RE BEING LENIENT AND NICE.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, BUT IN THE, IN A MANNER OF PRACTICALITY, IT'S GONNA BE A NEW STORE.
WHY NOT JUST TREAT IT LIKE A NEW STORE AND LET THEM REAP AND LET THEM GO THROUGH ALL THE PROCESSES THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH AND ORDER TO GET THEIR PERMITS.
THEY REBUILD, THEY FIGURE OUT WHY THERE WAS A FIRE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THEN COME BACK FOR A NEW SUP AND START AND, AND GIVE EVERYBODY A BRAND NEW START.
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY, I GUESS THE, THAT'S THE QUESTION UP FOR THE BODY TO DECIDE AT THIS POINT.
IT HOWEVER YOU ALL DECIDE, WE CERTAINLY WILL, UM, RESPECT THAT IT STAFF JUST IS RECOMMENDING THE ONE YEAR.
AND THE OTHER OPTION IS DENIAL.
I, I WOULD SAY TOO, THAT IF THE APPLICANT, IF WE CAME IN WITH A RECOMMENDATION
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OF DENIAL BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FIRE, AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAD IN THE INTERVENING THREE WEEKS BROUGHT THE STORE INTO COMPLIANCE, WE WOULD HAVE THEN BRIEFED IT AS A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF IT AS A RECOMMENDATION OF APPRO APPROVAL BECAUSE THERE, THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE WORKING.
AND WHY IS IT NOT BEING HELD? IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T HOLD IT, HOLD A CASE.
UM, I, I BELIEVE IT CAN BE HELD.
DANIEL, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT? YEP.
CPC COULD AT THE PUBLIC HEARING GO TO HOLD THIS ITEM? AND IS THAT MAYBE THERE MAY BE AN OPTION, THERE MIGHT BE A OPTION TO HOLD IT EITHER INSTEAD OF, UH, DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY INDICATION OF HOW FAR ALONG THEY ARE IN THAT PROCESS? UH, NO.
THE, THE FIRE'S PRETTY RECENT.
WE DID ASK, UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE TO BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM ON THAT, BUT I IMAGINE THEY'LL BE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS AFTERNOON.
I THINK TALKING TO THE APPLICANT PROBABLY WOULD BE A DECISION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
UM, JUST TO BE SURE AND, UM, CONSIDERATION OF OTHER CONVERSATIONS HAD TODAY, THIS IS A BUDDING, A CEMETERY CORRECTLY.
SO
THAT THE ONLY, THE ONLY, UM, PORTION OF THIS OPERATION THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE SUP IS THE ALCOHOL ALCOHOL SALE ELEMENT.
SO THEY CAN BRING THEIR CONVENIENCE STORE AND THEIR FUEL PUMPS INTO OPERATION, WHETHER THEY HAVE THIS SUP OR NOT.
SO IT'S, IT, THOSE THINGS ARE FACTORS THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
IT IS ONLY THE ALCOHOL SALE COMPONENT BECAUSE IT'S IN A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
AND, AND JUST, UH, I'M GONNA JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE CHRONOLOGY WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS STAFF IS WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS, CLEARLY THERE WAS ISSUES WITH, WITH THIS LOCATION, JUST LIKE THERE ARE IN MANY THAT WE SEE, UH, AND JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE COUPLE HUNDRED THAT I'VE WORKED, THESE, THEY DO TEND TO CHANGE IN THAT TIME PERIOD AFTER STAFF SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE FOUND THESE SEVEN THINGS, YOU BETTER GET 'EM IN ORDER BEFORE HE GETS TO CPC QUITE FREQUENTLY.
WE, THEY DO, IN FACT, PROBABLY 99% OF THE TIME, AND UNFORTUNATELY ON, ON THIS CASE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, UM, INTERESTING STORY ABOUT THE FIRE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS IN THE, IN THE NEWSPAPER AND THESE OTHER THINGS.
SO I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEE OR SOMETHING THAT, YEAH.
UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE BACKSTORY HERE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, FIRST OF ALL, MS. SAHE, I WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE EXTREMELY THOROUGH ANALYSIS YOU DID OF THE, UM, SITUATION THAT YOU FOUND ON THIS SIDE.
I THINK THIS IS THE MOST THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF SHORTCOMINGS AT A SITE THAT I'VE EVER SEEN.
UM, BUT TO GO TO A QUESTION, UH, I PUT IT AS A QUESTION.
I, I GUESS I'M NOT, WHY ARE WE EVEN ENTERTAINING A POSSIBILITY OF AN APPROVAL WHEN THE RULES FOR A GRANTING AN SUP REQUIRE THAT A PROPERTY BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE CODES AND REGULATIONS? AND WE KNOW CLEARLY THAT THEY ARE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT PASSED THEIR 12 B INSPECTION.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT'S IN THIS REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD AT THIS POINT WITH A FIRE, BUT IF THEY, WE HAVE ASKED THAT, IN FACT, THESE CASES NOT COME TO US IF THESE PLACES HAVE NOT PASSED THEIR 12 B INSPECTION.
SO, UH, WE HAVE THAT DEFICIENCY.
WE HAVE LANDSCAPING, WE HAVE UNPERMITTED, UM, ADDITIONS.
UM, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TECHNICALLY WE COULD EVEN LEGALLY APPROVE THIS SUP.
SO, SO IF THIS WERE A APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUP MM-HMM.
BUT THE, THE CODE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
UM, AND, UM, BUT HAVEN'T THEY FAILED THAT ALREADY? I MEAN, AREN'T WE OUT OF THAT? SO, SO ON A STANDARD RENEWAL OR A, A NEW APPLICATION, WE WOULD WAIT IT OUT.
WE WOULD HAVE THE LUXURY OF WAITING FOR THEM TO DO THE COMPLIANCE PIECE.
BUT FOR AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, THE CODE ACTUALLY SAYS AT THE END OF THE 21 DAY NOTIFICATION PERIOD, IF STAFF FINDS THE SITE NOT TO MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THE SUP, IT MUST BE FORWARDED TO CPC AND COUNSEL FOR FURTHER ACTION.
WE, WE, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE, WE'RE CLEARLY SORT OF REASSESSING
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AND SHORTENING THE TIMELINE.THIS IS SORT OF, THIS APPLICANT EVEN ACTUALLY ASKED US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU DOING SUVS, AUTO RENEWALS DIFFERENTLY NOW? MM-HMM.
AND SO WE WERE BASICALLY EXPLAINING, YES, WE'RE COMPRESSING THE PROCESS BASED ON WHAT THE CODE SAYS, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE US THE LIBERTY AS AT THE STAFF LEVEL TO JUST GIVE CONTINUED EXTENSIONS.
RIGHT? SO WE'RE, WE ARE BASICALLY REQUIRED TO BRING IT TO YOU WHETHER IT'S DONE OR NOT.
AND THEN, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, NO, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE, THEY FAILED THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS.
WE ARE OUT OF THAT AND WE'RE BACK INTO, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO EXTENDED? SURE.
SO AGAIN, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE MITIGATING FACTOR OF THE FIRE, THAT THAT'S WHAT IT COMES BACK TO.
AND, AND IF THE FIRE HADN'T HAPPENED, WE WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
AND IF THEY HAD BROUGHT IT INTO COMPLIANCE BY THE TIME WE GOT TO CPC, WE WOULD'VE BRIEFED RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT WEIRD FIRE THING, IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE BRINGING IT AND SAYING, Y'ALL GET TO DECIDE.
UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT QUESTION.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU REPORTED THAT ON ONE OF YOUR VISITS TO THE PROPERTY THERE WERE SOME GAMING MACHINES THAT WERE NOT ALLOWED? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, DURING THE INITIAL SITE VISIT, WE DID NOTICE GAMING MACHINES INSIDE THE STORES.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF, WELL, IT BEING ONE OF MY FIRST AUTO RENEWALS, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A DISCOVERY.
AND THEN FROM, UH, STAFF SUPPORT, WE FIGURED OUT THAT THE CO REMARKS THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE NOTED.
SO DID THAT INFLUENCE YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND CAN WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OR IS THAT NOT? SO AFTER WE SENT THE FEEDBACK LETTER TO THE APPLICANT, THEY DID REMOVE THE GAMING MACHINES, BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CONDUCT THAT FINAL INSPECTION.
UM, SO YEAH, YOU, YOU CAN TAKE ANY OF IT INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE.
WE'RE JUST GIVING IT AS BACKGROUND AND THAT IS ONE PIECE THAT THEY DID COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH RESPECT TO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
SO WE'LL GO BACK AND PICK UP OUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
I THINK THESE ARE ARE BRIEFED BY REQUEST.
DO WE NEED, DOES ANYBODY LIKE ANY YES.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT? THE FIRST ONE? YEAH, PLEASE.
IT IS A REQUEST FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS ON APPROXIMATELY 12.87 ACRES.
IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE.
IT'S IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 21 SUBDISTRICT, SS DASH ONE A SOUTH STONE.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COUNT WISDOM ROAD AND MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITH 234 DWELLING UNITS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE, SURFACE PARK IS PARKING, SOME PRIVATE PARKING GARAGE, JUST INDIVIDUAL ONES AND THEN ALSO SOME CARPORTS, UM, THAT THE TENANTS CAN RENT OUT.
HERE'S THE AREA, THE AREA MAP THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY, UM, KIND OF TO THE EAST.
WE HAVE, UH, ALSO PD 5 21 DISTRICTS.
IF YOU LOOK KIND OF NORTHWEST, WE HAVE, UH, ANOTHER PD, WHICH IS 1 0 1.
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THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, KIND OF SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE, UH, DISTRICT.HERE IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, SHOWING THE LAYOUT OF THE, THE DIFFERENT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ON SITE AS WELL AS THE CAR PARKS HIGH HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN WHITE.
THE GRAY IS FOR THE PARKING, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CAR PARKS IN WHITE.
HERE'S PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, MS. BLUE, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS SITE.
IT'S A, A VERY EXCITING, UM, SITE IN THIS CORRIDOR, ALTHOUGH THERE'S MILLIONS OF MULTIFAMILY ALREADY THERE.
THIS WAS ALREADY PLANNED IN THE PD, UM, TO BE AN AFFORDABLE UNIT, UM, AND BUILD OUT.
SO WE'RE HAPPY THAT THIS DEVELOPER'S ON BOARD AND BUILDING IT.
THE QUESTION IS, THERE'S A CREEK ON SITE THAT'S, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH A FLOODPLAIN.
UM, HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SAVING THIS CREEK? YES, SINCE IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN, THERE'S NO STRUCTURES PROHIBITED IN THAT CREEK.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY RESIDENTIAL, UH, THAT'S ON ANY BOUNDARIES OF THE LOT, THERE IS A 20 FOOT ADDITIONAL SETBACK FOR, UH, THOSE AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST KEEP THAT GREEN SPACE.
UM, SECOND QUESTION AND PROBABLY LAST, UM, WE'VE UM, SECOND TO LAST QUESTION.
UM, THE FAC, I KNOW WE CAN'T DETERMINE MATERIALS AND THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT THERE, BUT HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THE FACADE OR THE, THE ATTENTION TO THE FACADE OF THESE, UM, BUILDINGS WILL BE IN RELATION TO THE AREA UHHUH? NO SIR.
I DIDN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO, UH, TALK ABOUT ANYTHING.
AND OF COURSE THAT'LL BE HANDLED AT PERMITTING TOO.
AND LASTLY, DID YOU HEAR ANY COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, UM, EITHER NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE IN, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS CASE? NO SIR, I DIDN'T.
COMMISSIONER BLA UM, I HAVE A QUESTION WHEN, IF YOU COULD GO TO UM, TWO DASH SIX AND THEN MAKE IT BIG FOR THE BLIND.
MAKE IT BIG FOR THE BLIND LIKE ME,
WHEN YOU SEE, IS THAT THE CREEK? IS THE CREEK ON THE GO UP ON THE BOTTOM? THE BOTTOM.
OH, IT'S BACKWARDS ON, ON YOUR PAGE.
UM, ON THE RIGHT THERE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE EITHER PARKING OR DOES THAT, DOES THAT, DOES THAT, THE CREEK DOES.
YOU SAID THERE WAS A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
IS THAT ONLY FOR WHERE? IT WAS NEAR THE CREEK.
AND THERE'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK ALONG HERE, WHICH, UM, WHICH IS IN THE CREEK.
AND THEN ALSO ALONG HERE, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL HERE TOO, UH, THAT RUNS ALONG THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THAT RETAINING WALL, THAT, THAT IS WHEN YOU GO TO THE FURTHEST TO TO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, TO THE RIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A LITTLE PIECE OF THE CREEK THAT IS EITHER UNDER THE RETAINING WALL OR IT TOUCHES THE RE RIGHT HERE.
MM-HMM,
SO IT, DOES IT TOUCH THE CREEK? IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T.
I ACTUALLY, WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH ENGINEERING IT AND IT DOESN'T TOUCH THE CREEK.
UM, THE WAY THE RETAINING WALL IS LAID OUT HERE, IT KIND OF LOOKED LIKE THE CREEK GOES INTO IT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY SET, SO.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA INTERFERE ANY FLOW OF THE CREEK.
I DON'T NEED A BRIEFING ON IT UNLESS ANYONE ELSE UHHUH DOES.
UM, YOU SENT OUT A LANDSCAPE PLAN THIS MORNING THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE DOCKET, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, I DO APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT.
UM, D 2 2, 3, 0, 11 AND 12 ARE VERY SIMILAR.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON THE SAME LOT BUT IN TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
AND SO WHEN I WAS CREATING THE STAFF REPORT, UM, I GUESS I WAS LOOKING AT BOTH OF THEM.
AND FOUR D 2 23 DASH 0 1 12 LANDSCAPE WAS ONLY TRIGGERED IF THEY INCREASE FLOOR AREA OF 200.
SO WE DID CATCH THAT DURING THE REVIEW, BUT AS I WAS PREPARING FOR THE CASE IN THE DOCKET, I DID LEAVE IT OUT.
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I DO WANNA APOLOGIZE.UM, THAT'S WHY I SENT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN LAST NIGHT.
I JUST NOTICED LAST NIGHT, I SENT IT LAST NIGHT.
BUT I THINK WE CAME UP WITH SOME KIND OF RESO RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY, UH, PRESENT THAT FOR THE NEXT CPC AND JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, FOR THAT, THAT CASE FOR TODAY.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY, ARE THEY COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING? YES, SIR.
HE WAS VERY GRACE GRACEFUL THAT I SENT HIM AN EMAIL AND TOLD HIM WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I THINK THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
'CAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE A PERMITTING REVIEW.
AND SO IF THEY COULD GET THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THROUGH, THROUGH CPC TODAY, THEN THEY CAN START PERMITTING AND THEN THEY, WE CAN WORK OUR WAY THROUGH WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO WE SHOULD SEE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
SINCE WE'RE GONNA DO THE, THE FOUR DALLAS PIECE, LET'S JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK TO ALLOW OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THEIR CAMERAS ARE ON.
AND, UH, AT 1135 WE'LL COME BACK ON COMMISSIONERS.
WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD TO ACKNOWLEDGE OF SPECIAL GUEST.
HAVE A WARM SEAT FOR YOU, SIR.
WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER.
SO, UH, I'VE ASKED, UH, MR. MOORE TO KIND OF, UH, START US OFF WITH AN EXPLANATION, UH, UH, IN REGARDS TO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING HERE AND WHAT EXACTLY CONSENSUS IS.
I THINK IT'S A FIRST FOR ME, SO I'M HOPING HE CAN KIND OF WALK US THROUGH EXACTLY JUST MECHANICALLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
SO THIS WAS NOT NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T A PUBLIC HEARING, THAT MEANS THAT THE BODY CANNOT TAKE A, AN OFFICIAL VOTE ON ANYTHING.
BUT DURING THE BRIEFING YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU THINK AND FROM THAT STAFF CAN START TO GLEAN, UM, SOME DIRECTION THAT THE BODY WANTS TO GO.
BUT OF COURSE, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE UNDERLYING ITEM, YOU CAN VOTE ANYWHERE YOU WANT.
ANYTHING YOU SAY ISN'T BINDING ON, UH, YOUR VOTE LATER ON DOWN THE LINE WHEN FORWARD DALLAS PROPER COMES BEFORE THE BODY.
DOES THAT HELP MR. CHAIR? UH, IT DOES, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST PAUSE A MOMENT.
WE HAVE ONE MISSING COMMISSIONER, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO BE HERE 'CAUSE I KNOW SHE WOULD WANT TO BE HERE.
UH, SO IS THERE NO, NO QUORUM.
I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE LIKE ONES WHO WERE WANTING TO BE HERE, I GONNA BE HOME OR WON'T BE AVAILABLE.
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OKAY.COMMISSIONERS, UH, MR. MOORE, SORRY, JUST VERY BRIEF, UH, COMMENT AGAIN ABOUT WHAT CONSENSUS IS AND HOW WE'RE GONNA REACH IT.
SO THIS WAS NOT ADVERTISED AS A PUBLIC HEARING, THEREFORE, UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE BODY CANNOT VOTE ON IT.
HOWEVER, YOU'RE FREE TO SAY WHAT YOU THINK AND FROM THAT STAFF CAN GLEAN SORT OF THE DIRECTION OF THE BODY.
BUT ANYTHING YOU SAY TODAY DOESN'T BIND YOU WHEN YOU ACTUALLY, WHEN THE BODY ACTUALLY VOTES ON FORWARD DALLAS IN THE UPCOMING MEETINGS.
IS THAT HELPFUL, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER STAFF NEEDS GUIDANCE.
I THINK THERE ARE ROUGHLY EIGHT OR SO THINGS WHERE, UH, WE KIND OF NEED TO HONE IN ON WHAT STAFF, UH, NEEDS TO PREPARE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 17TH.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE PLAN DOCUMENT AS WE'RE REVIEWING CLUB'S VERSION, UH, IN TERMS OF WHICH DIRECTION AND WHICH UPDATES TO MAKE.
UH, SO OUR TEAM IS WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES MAKING A LOT OF THOSE CHANGES, BUT THERE ARE FEW, WE JUST NEED A BIT MORE CLARITY IN TERMS OF WHICH WAY TO GO.
SO WE CAN COM COMPLETE, UH, A COM, A COMPLETED DOCUMENT FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE, UH, BY JUNE 17TH.
UH, THAT'S GONNA BE, IT IS A TENTATIVE DATE, SO YOU ALL CAN THEN REVIEW IT AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE A VOTE OR RECOMMENDATION AND SOME MORE INPUT ON, ON THAT DOCUMENT.
SO AS WE CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE'RE GONNA HONE IN ON, UH, SEVEN QUESTIONS.
UH, WE SEND YOU ALL A, UH, A SLIDE DECK, UM, JUST TO KINDA GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE'RE GONNA HONE IN ON TODAY, UH, A FEW ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO, UH, GET SOME CLARITY ON.
SO ON THE SLIDE, UH, THAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN, THIS WAS EMAILED TO US AS WELL.
UH, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO TOUCH ON AND FOCUS ON AND GET SOME CLARITY AS WE, UM, MAKE SOME EDITS OF THE DOCUMENT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE THAT THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY SUPPORTING USE, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL IN TERMS OF THE NEXT FEW ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON HERE, UH, WHICH IS DETERMINING, UH, WHICH LAND USES SHOULD BE SUPPORTING AND PRIMARY.
SO WE WANNA GET THAT CLEAR, UH, FROM THIS BODY IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS OR SHOULD BE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, GETTING MORE CLARITY IN TERMS OF WHICH, UH, LAND USES ARE SUPPORTING OR PRIMARY IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.
JUST, UH, MY APOLOGIES, UH, MY FAULT.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ITEMS ARE, ARE NOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CLUB TECHNICALLY THE CLUB RECOMMENDATION.
AND IN FACT, WHAT'S ON THE TABLE TODAY IS THE CLUB RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE, IT NEED TO DEVIATE FROM THAT NEEDS A MOTION.
AND SO THESE SEVEN, EIGHT ITEMS, UH, COULD HAVE BEEN ONE COMMISSIONER THAT SAYS, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? IT COULD HAVE BEEN 10, RIGHT? IT COULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNITY INPUT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ITEMS ARE HOW THEY WERE BORN.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO THE, THE EYES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, AS WE'VE HAD OUR CONVERSATIONS THROUGH THESE WORKSHOPS, WE'VE HAD INPUT IN TERMS OF LET'S LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE.
LET'S LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
UH, BUT FOR STAFF, THERE WASN'T CLARITY ON WHICH WAY TO GO WITH THAT.
SO THESE ARE KIND OF A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THOSE ITEMS OR DISCUSSION POINTS THAT WE HAD EARLIER.
JUST WASN'T CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHERE TO GO.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GET CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHERE TO GO.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE SHARE TODAY REGARDING EACH OF THESE ITEMS, THIS IS A TIME TO DISCUSS THAT.
'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYBODY'S OPINION, EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS, AND COME, COME TO A, A CONSENSUS WHICH WAY TO GO.
'CAUSE THIS NEXT UPDATE, THIS IS YOUR UPDATE, THIS IS THE CPC, UH, DRAFT PLAN THAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THIS BODY.
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SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS OF WHICH WAY TO GO AS STAFF MAKES THOSE UPDATES AND CHANGES.SO THANK YOU CHAIR FOR THAT, UH, CLARIFICATION.
SO AS WE DO TALK THROUGH THE PLAN, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE DEFINITIONS AT THE BEGINNING, UM, THAT'S GONNA HELP TO INFORM, UH, SOME PLACE TYPE LAND USES, UH, THAT WE WANT TO GET SOME CLARITY ON.
UH, EARLIER ON IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THESE WORKSHOPS, I THINK THERE WAS JUST MISUNDERSTANDING IN TERMS OF, UH, THE PLACE TYPE MATRIX, WHAT WAS PRIMARY OR OR SECONDARY.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THE EARLIER SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HEARD, UH, MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF MAYBE THE, THE BODY'S UNDERSTANDING TODAY.
SO WE JUST WANNA BE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT, THAT IS, HOW WE'RE APPLYING THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
UH, ADDITIONALLY JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE REST OF THESE, UH, THE LANGUAGE IN SOME OF THE OTHER PARTS OF THIS DOCUMENT.
SPECIFICALLY, UM, IN IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX, UH, REGARDING HOUSING.
UH, THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, HOW THE A DU ACTION ITEM IS BEING WORDED.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, THERE ARE SOME FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW WE APPLY TOD TYPOLOGIES IN THE PLAN.
WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT AND GET YOUR INSIGHTS AND YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON, UM, A WAY OF ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE, UH, INPUTS THAT WE RECEIVED.
UH, THOSE DISCUSSION ALSO ABOUT, UH, THE DEFINITIONS OF MID, LOW AND HIGH RISE.
UH, SO WE GONNA TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, GET SOME INPUT RE REGARDING THAT.
AND THEN ALSO TOO LASTLY, IF WE GET TO, TO TOUCH ON THIS, AS WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, UM, HISTORIC, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, UM, AND NSOS, THE UTILIZATION OF THE TERM, YOU KNOW, SELF-DETERMINATION WAS AN ITEM THAT, UH, THAT GOT BROUGHT UP.
SO IF WE HAVE TIME TO, TO TALK TO ON THAT, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO KIND DELVE INTO WHAT WE, UM, HAD ANALYZED AND WHAT THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE GETTING AND SEE HOW THIS BODY WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
SO IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT QUICK OVERVIEW, UM, WE'LL KIND OF GO STRAIGHT INTO OUR DISCUSSION.
AND I'VE REARRANGED SOME OF THESE, UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THE, THE, SOME OF THE ITEMS ON HERE, UH, SPEAK TO THE OTHER SUBSEQUENT ITEMS OR FOLLOWING ITEMS. SO, UM, THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OUTTA ORDER VERSUS WHAT WE SENT YOU ALL, BUT STILL THE SAME ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TODAY.
SO FIRST, THE DEFINITIONS OR THE PROPOSED DEFINITIONS OF PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING USE IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO THE CLUB VERSION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU ALL, UH, DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXPLICITLY LAID OUT.
UH, SO THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS BODY, UH, STAFF AND OUR PROJECT TEAM DEVELOPED, UH, WHAT COULD BE, UH, USABLE DEFINITION.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS SAYING AND WHAT, UH, HOW IT'S GONNA BE USED MOVING FORWARD.
SO FOR PRIMARY USE, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED, OR EXCUSE ME, THE, THE POTENTIAL DEFINITION WOULD BE, UM, THE MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USE THAT PLAYS A PIVOTAL ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING THE PLAY TYPE.
UH, SUPPORTING USE WOULD BE THE LESS PREVALENT USE THAT SERVES TO SUPPORT THE PRIMARY USE IN A PLACE TYPE.
SO IN ADDITION TO JUST SHOWING THIS SLIDE, I WANTED JUST TO ALSO JUST, UH, ADD AN ADDITIONAL SLIDE, JUST KIND OF SHOW THE COMPARISON IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CLUB RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT TO REVIEW AND WHAT FOR DALLAS OH SIX HAS OR, OR HASN'T.
UH, SO THE CPC IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL UPDATE WAS, UH, THOSE TWO TERMS AND DEFINITIONS THAT I JUST ELABORATED ON.
UH, AGAIN, CLUB, THERE WAS NO DEFINITION, UM, THAT WAS PROVIDED.
AND IN FOR DALLAS, UH, IT TOUCHES ON SIMILAR WORDS REGARDING PRIMARILY, UH, BUT THERE IS NO GLOSSARY THAT HAS THAT DEFINED AND IT DOESN'T DEFINE IT IN THE TEXT.
UH, AND ALSO TO ANCILLARY SUPPORT USES, WHICH WOULD BE CLOSE TO THE SUPPORTING USES, THERE'S NO DEFINITION IN THAT AS WELL.
SO AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SET OF TERMS WOULD BE DEFINED AS, JUST WANT TO COMPARE IT TO WHAT, UH, THE CURRENT DOCUMENT, UH, HAS OR HASN'T AND WHAT FOUR DALLAS OH SIX HAS.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE, UH, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
WE, I, I'M SOMEONE WHO CARES A LOT ABOUT WORDS, SO I'M WONDERING IF SUPPORTING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO GET AT THROUGH THIS SORT OF CATEGORY TWO.
I AGREE PRIMARY ADDRESSES SOMETHING THAT IS MORE PREVALENT, SUPPORTING ADDRESSES, SOMETHING
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THAT IS AS DRAFTED RIGHT NOW, ADDRESSES SOMETHING THAT IS LESS PREVALENT.I COULD SEE THE, SOME OF THE LESS PREVALENT USES EITHER SUPPORTING THE PRIMARY USES ARE ALSO COMPLIMENTING THE PRIMARY USES.
LET ME JUST TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY, IT'S OKAY.
UM, CITY RESIDENTIAL WHERE THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICES ARE IN THERE AS A SUPPORTING USE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALLOW A COFFEE SHOP, A BARBER SHOP, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE AND YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL USES OR PRIMARY WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE SUPPORT IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT WORD TO DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE OTHER USES WOULD BE.
YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE A PARK, A COMMUNITY CENTER MIGHT SUPPORT THE RESIDENTIAL IN MY VIEW, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE MAY COMPLIMENT THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO MAYBE TO EITHER SUPPORT OR COMPLIMENT THE MORE PREVALENT LAND USES.
AND I MAY, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO THE TITLE MAY BE A PRIMARY USE OR A SECONDARY USE MIGHT, MIGHT BE THE, THE BETTER DISTINCTION TO DRAW THERE.
AND TO THAT, I THINK THAT DURING THE TIME THAT WE WERE DOING OUR AREA PLAN, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP WAS, FIRST OF ALL BEING A COSMETOLOGIST.
UM, AND HAVING, UM, AND YOUNG LADIES, UH, ESPECIALLY, UM, THAT I KNOW ARE NOW GETTING INTO MASSAGES THAT MASSAGE ARE NOT, ESPECIALLY PD 5 95 SAYS MASSAGES, TATTOO PARLORS ARE OUTLAWED.
WELL, WE WENT IN AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT THEM TO BE AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, BECAUSE THEY FALL WITHIN THE SAME, UM, SAME TYPE OF PERSONAL SERVICE.
SO A STANDALONE MASSAGE PARLOR MIGHT WOULD BE NO, BUT IF IT'S A NAIL SHOP, A BARBER SHOP, A, A SALON, THEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED AND BE ABLE TO BE PUT IN INTO THAT USE TYPE.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR LAND USE STATEMENT, WHERE IN THE PAST, WELL WE STILL SAID WE DON'T THE TATTOO PARLOR, WE NECESSARILY DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE A PART BECAUSE OF THAT.
MAYBE ONE TATTOO PARLOR WHO WILL TATTOO SOMETHING DEAD IN THE CENTER OF A KID'S HEAD AND, AND WE CAN'T CHANGE IT.
UM, AND THEN TO PLACE TYPES, UM, UM, I, THE RECOMMENDATION, I HAD A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, WITH US HAVING SO MANY VACANT CITY LOTS WITHIN SOUTH DALLAS AND D SEVEN, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT, UM, THERE COULD BE GREATER IMPACT ON, ON D SEVEN THAN OTHER AREAS.
THE LANGUAGE ABOUT INFIELD PROPERTIES SHOULD BE REMOVED AND IT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO CPC AND CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE IF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD FOR SURROUNDING AREAS.
ALSO TO LANGUAGE TO BE REMOVED IS VACANT PROPERTIES OR THOSE WITHIN ACTIVE LAND USES PRESENTING OPPORTUNITY FOR THOUGHTFUL IN, IN BLOCK INFIELD DEVELOPMENT, ALIGNED FOR INTEGRATION OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, SUCH AS ALSO REPRESENTING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL LOCAL PARKS AND OPEN SPACE AMENITIES.
UM, ALSO THERE SHOULD BE, UH, LANGUAGE ABOUT THE DESIGN OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE.
MORE HOUSING SHOULD, SHOULDN'T BE JUST ABOUT ROOFTOPS, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT BUILDING COMMUNITIES.
IF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH DALLAS, IT SHOULD BE, SHOULDN'T MATTER THAT THEY, THAT THEY BUILD COMMUNITY.
THERE SHOULD BE GREEN SPACES FOR KIDS TO PLAY.
DOORS SHOULD FACE THE STREET HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE, UH, ASSESSED IN AND PARDON.
WHEREAS WE, WE SEE THAT WE DO NEED MISSING MIDDLE.
UM, BUT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'M HAVING WITH THOSE, THOSE LEADERS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS IN SOUTH DALLAS IS WE, WE WOULD NOT MIND TOWN HOMES, BUT WE DO NOT WANT THE SHARED ACCESS TOWN HOMES WHERE YOU ARE WALKING OUT THE DOOR TO THE AN ALLEY PRETTY MUCH AND YOU, YOUR CHILDREN HAVE NOWHERE TO PLAY.
WE WANT MORE TOWN HOMES THAT FACE STREETS OR SHARED ACCESSES IN THE CENTER WHEN AT ALL POSSIBLE.
UM, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE COMMUNITY TYPE OF BILL LOOKING INTO WHERE DEVELOPERS WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF THAT IS A, IF THERE IS A A, UM, A, A TOWN HOME CONDO TYPE BILL AND, AND IT'S FAMILY ORIENTED, WHERE IS THAT GREEN SPACE OR SOMETHING FOR WHERE CHILDREN CAN PLAY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NOT IN PROXIMITY TO PARKS.
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SO WE'RE BUILDING HOMES THAT ARE HAVING NO LOT LINE IS BUILT TO THE LOT LINE OR MINIMUM FIVE FOOT SETBACKS, BUT IT DOES NOT HELP A COMMUNITY.UM, WE NEED TO PRIOR THOSE CHANGES, UM, TO THE ZONING CODES SOONER THAN LATER SO THAT WE CAN START TO SEE BETTER DESIGNS WITH OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
NOT EVERY PROPERTY IS GOING TO WORK FOR EVERY HOUSING TYPE.
WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT DIFFERENT TYPES MIGHT WORK.
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT PEOPLE CAN STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY, UM, AND THE AREAS WHERE IS RECOMMENDED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES BE TRANSITIONED TO LESS INTENSE USES OR MIXED USES.
FOR EXAMPLE, PY UM, I'VE WORKED WITH JOI OF LATELY AND GAVE THEM RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY HAD NEVER HEARD OF.
WE ARE NOT ALWAYS IN, UM, WE, PDS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS WANNA CREATE, BUT THERE'S AREAS THAT NEED PDS.
DO WE NEED TO OUTLAW ALL INDUSTRIAL CLOSE BY? I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A BATCH PLANT THAT IS, THAT IS LABELED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT THE IMPACT IS HEAVY, THEN WE NEED TO REDEFINE WHAT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND HOW DO WE IMPACT THOSE COMMUNITIES AROUND IT.
DO I, AND WHEN I TALK WITH JY, I, I 100% TOLD THEM THERE IS, I CAN'T SAY BECAUSE THERE'S A CABINET MAKER WHO, WHO'S JUST LITERALLY CLOSED DOWN, BUT THEY HAD BEEN THERE FOR, I'M 47 SO I'M GONNA SAY 47 PLUS YEARS.
BUT I, BEFORE THERE WAS A HOME DEPOT, EVEN AFTER HOME DEPOT, WE WENT TO THEM TO GET CABINETS.
THEY MADE 'EM ON SITE THAT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WHEN THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WERE MORE, THEY WERE LIKE, WELL WE CAN SEE THAT TYPE.
AND SO REDEFINING AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES, UM, AND AREAS, UM, IT SHOULD BE CLEAR IN THE PLAN THAT THESE AREAS SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR THE CITY INITIATED REZONING.
THESE AREAS ARE LARGELY THROUGHOUT SOUTH AND SOUTHERN DALLAS AND WEST DALLAS.
THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF SOONER THAN LATER.
THEY MAY ALSO NEED MORE DETAILED PLANS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST TRANSITION THE AREAS THE COMMUNITY HAS TO BE INVOLVED.
UM, I, I AM ALL FOR MORE ROOFTOPS.
I'M ALL FOR SOME, I GREW UP, MY MOTHER HAD A FOURPLEX.
MY GRANDMOTHER MOVED FROM HOUSTON, LIVED IN A FOURPLEX, LITERALLY STILL ON MY CREDIT REPORT 'CAUSE SHE'S MY MOTHER, SO SHE'S ALWAYS IN RELATION.
SO I UNDERSTAND FOURPLEX THE CONCERN IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, WE DO WANT SOME, SOME MULTI, YOU KNOW, SOME SMALL, UM, MULTIFAMILY TYPE.
BUT THE AFFORDABILITY IS GOING TO BE, DEVELOPERS ARE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN ON PRICING.
THEY'RE GOING TO TRIPLE, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHAT THAT, THAT TAX BRACKET IS.
SO THAT HEALTHY REFERRAL OF BEING ABLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME WAY WE CAN STILL DECIDE ON, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT OR YOU'RE GONNA MAXIMIZE TO THE FULL LEVEL WITHOUT ANY IMPACT FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN BUILD A PRODUCT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WILL ONLY BE COMING AND GOING.
THEY WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY SEE THEIR NEIGHBOR UNTIL THEY'RE PASSING BY AND GOING.
AND THESE CONCRETE JUNGLES THAT DEVELOPERS ARE MAKING WITH ABSOLUTELY, WITH TOWN HOME DISTRICTS WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE LOT LINED.
THEIR, THEIR GREEN SPACES ARE SO LIMITED THAT A CHILD, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A CHILD TO ENJOY, UM, THE, THEIR COMMUNITY AND GROW UP.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING FOR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE BUILDING FOR PEOPLE TO JUST LIVE AND GO.
UM, AND WE HAVE TO BE IN DALLAS.
WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO, IF I BUY A HOUSE AT AT 25, WILL MY CHILDREN BE A PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NEXT 30, 40, 50, MY GRANDKIDS COME BACK.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE BUILDING THOSE TYPE OF COMMUNITIES ANYMORE.
WE'RE BUILDING FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND GO.
FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
SO I THINK THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR ALL, ALL THOSE COMMENTS.
I WOULD SAY TOO, I THINK AS YOU'RE WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, PATRICK ON THE AREA PLAN, UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SENDING US THOSE COMMENTS TOO AS WELL.
JUST, I THINK A LOT, IT KIND OF TIES INTO WITH A LOT WHAT WE'VE HEARD TOO TODAY.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DOCUMENT AND HAVE A WAY OF IMPLEMENTING WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
I WANNA TOUCH ON ONE THING YOU MENTIONED, UM, IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, SO ALL, I THINK THROUGH THIS BODY, THROUGH THE LAST FEW WORKSHOPS, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF, UH, THE MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT WE WANNA SEE DEVELOPED OR KIND OF EMPHASIZE A BIT MORE.
OUR TEAM IS GONNA BE WORKING ON IMPLEMENTING THAT, UH, IN THE PLAN DOCUMENT IN TERMS OF AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, TOUCHING ON DESIGN STANDARDS AND, AND HOW DIFFERENT, HOW THESE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES, UH, SHOULD BE, UM, ALLOWING OR KIND OF FORMING WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL COMPONENT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR WHAT WE DEVELOP, UH, IN, IN THE UPDATE, UH, FOR TODAY.
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AND WE SHARED, I WANT TO JUST, JUST KINDA GET US BACK TO KIND OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE JUST HAVE QUESTIONS ON.'CAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED TIME WITH YOU TODAY.
SO I WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE, THE FUTURE COMMENTS AND THAT WE HAVE, AND THE FEEDBACK IS SPECIFIC TO THESE SEVEN ITEMS. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO, TO GET CLARITY ON.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT LIST THAT YOU JUST PROVIDED, REALLY AWESOME COMMENTS.
UH, WE'D LOVE TO JUST HAVE THAT, UH, TO DOCUMENT AND ADDRESS MUCH WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
SO TH THIS IS THE ONE ITEM NOW THAT YOU NEED CONSENSUS ON? YES, PLEASE.
SO I THINK WE'RE DOING ITEM NUMBER.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN, THE PLACE TYPE, WHETHER, WHETHER TO WORDSMITH PRIMARY USE OR SUPPORTING USE.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? IT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE.
I THINK YOU SENT THIS OUT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I, THERE'S LOTS OF EMAILS FLYING AROUND.
I KNOW YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS SOMEWHERE.
WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT DATE HE SENT THAT ON? SO WE CAN ALL OH, GOSH.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S, SORRY, I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I, I, AND LIKE HE SAID, THERE WAS SO MANY EMAILS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YESTERDAY, MONDAY, AROUND ONE THIS, THIS LITTLE DOCUMENT OR OH, YEAH, THIS LIST.
I ACTUALLY ASKED HIM TO PREPARE THIS MAYBE YESTERDAY
SO I WILL, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, I MEAN, ACTUALLY WE ALL HAVE THIS, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, IT'S, YEAH, I ASK LAWRENCE TO PREPARE LAST MINUTE.
SO WHO WAS IT SENT FROM FOR ME, FRANKLY, WHO WAS IT SENT FROM? UH, IT SHOULD BE FROM LAWRENCE, RIGHT.
AND FORM FROM OUR SEC, UH, SECRETARY.
SO WE'RE ON NUMBER ONE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING USE.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER.
NOT CARPENTER HOUSE, RIGHT? YESTERDAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S COMMENTS.
I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S, UM, HE WAS DEFINITELY TOUCHING ON SOMETHING IMPORTANT THERE.
UH, FOR ME, I CAN SEE S THE TERM SUPPORTING USE CONFU CONFUSING THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
I COULD, YOU KNOW, IN ONE OF OUR HOT BUTTON ISSUES WITH MULTIPLEX AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, I COULD SEE A, A SINGLE FAMILY OWNER SAYING, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THE FOURPLEX OR A PLEX SUPPORTING, SUPPORTING ME? IT'S NOT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF USING, UM, MAYBE COMPLIMENTING, COMPLIMENTING USE.
UM, SO AGAIN, AND I'M NOT CLEAR, ARE WE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE SENTENCE THAT FOLLOWS THOSE TWO TERMS, PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING? OR ARE WE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT CHANGING UP OR ALL OF IT? SO TWO, TWO THINGS.
THE UP FOR GRABS, SO, UH, ONE, DEFINING WHAT THE PRIMARY OR SUPPORTING SECONDARY COMPLIMENTARY, WHATEVER SYNONYM WE WANT TO USE, UH, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK TODAY AS WELL.
UM, THAT THOSE, THAT DEFINITION AND THOSE TERMS ARE GONNA BE WHAT HELPS WITH THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, DISCUSS AND CLARIFY.
BUT, SO THE TERM AND THE DEFINITIONS ARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET CLARITY ON.
SO I'M, I'M OKAY MORE OR LESS WITH THE, THE SENTENCES.
UM, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF USING A DIFFERENT WORD AND MAYBE COMPLIMENTING USE IN, IN LIEU OF SUPPORTING.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND FOLLOW COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ISSUE WITH THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY USE SUPPORTING USE.
I, I AGREE WITH, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT I MADE PREVIOUSLY.
I, I, I CAN SEE PEOPLE EASILY SAYING IN COMMUNITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL THAT SOME OF THESE DENSER PLACE TYPE, DENSER TYPES OF USES ARE NOT SUPPORTING IT.
UH, WHETHER IT'S SECONDARY USE OR COMPLIMENTARY USE, UH, IT'D BE LESS PREVALENT.
USE THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING, SUPPORTING THE PRIMARY LAND USE OF THE PLACE THAT MAYBE JUST COMPLIMENTS THE PLACE TYPE OR SUPPORTS THE PLACE TYPE.
I DON'T, OR, OR COMPLIMENTS THE PRIMARY LAND USE, BUT I, I WOULD DEFINITELY LOSE THE, THE SUPPORTING ALTOGETHER.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MOVING PART OF MY CONFUSION IS WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, AND IT SAYS, NOT EVERY PROPERTY MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE RANGE OF USES DESCRIBED BY PLACE TYPE, THEREFORE CPC AND CITY COUNCIL MAY MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE LEAST INTENSE LAND USE IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR A SPECIFIC PROPERTY OR AREA.
THEN I GO BACK TO THE OTHER AND I THINK, WELL, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE PRIMARY USES ARE THE ONLY USES THAT ARE BY RIGHT? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BEING PRESUMABLY THE LESS INTENSE LAND USES AND THAT SUPPORTING USES WILL, I GUESS, WHERE IS THE DIVIDING LINE? WHERE, WHERE IS THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN WHAT IS BY RIGHT? AND WHERE A ZONING PROCESS WILL, WILL, UM, BE INVOLVED.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S GONNA BE CLEAR ON THAT AT THE MOMENT.
SO, UM, THE, THE BY RIGHT, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S CHAPTER 51 A.
THOSE ARE, THAT'S THE LAND USE CHART,
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UM, THAT SAYS, YOU CAN DO THIS BY JUST PULLING A PERMIT OR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR ZONING, OR YOU HAVE TO GET AN SUP.UM, THE MATRIX HERE SAYS, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT SAY, HERE ARE THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT COULD BE HAPPENING IN THIS PLACE.
TYPE HERE WOULD BE THE SECONDARY THINGS THAT COULD BE HAPPENING IN THE, IN THE PLACE TYPE.
IT'S NOT SAYING THAT IF A CASE COMES BEFORE YOU AND IT'S R SEVEN FIVE AND SOMEONE WANTS TO CHANGE IT TO BUILD A FOURPLEX, IT'S NOT SAYING, YES, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CPC WOULD APPROVE AUTOMATICALLY BY.
RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLAN AND SAY, OKAY, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, IT'S, IT'S A SECONDARY LAND USE THAT IS A LESS PREVALENT LAND USE THAT SERVES TO COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USES.
DOES THAT MATCH THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION? IT'S NOT SAYING, YES, IT'S AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL, OR NO, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC DENIAL.
IT'S SAYING THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN TAKE INTO FACTOR IN.
SO PART OF THE FRUSTRATION, UM, IN THE CURRENT FOR DALLAS IS SOME OF THESE TERMS AREN'T DEFINED.
A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS MORE VAGUE, WHERE IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE VERY CLEAR RESOLUTION AS TO A DIRECTION WHICH YOU COULD GO TO OR INFORMATION TO SAY, THIS IS THE REASON WHY I'M, WHY AM I'M VOTING THIS WAY? IT JUST IS A MORE VAGUE NOTIONS.
AND ALSO WITH THOSE TWO TERMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, THOSE NEED TO BE LOOKED AT, UM, IN THE VIEW OF THESE PLACE TYPES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS GONNA TOUCH ON THE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES.
WE HAVE THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE THE CITY RESIDENTIAL.
THOSE REPRESENT DIFFERENT SCALES OF RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY.
UH, THE SMALL TOWN IS MORE RURAL, UH, COMMUNITY IS FOCUSED MORE ON SINGLE FAMILY AND LOWER SCALE.
AND CITY RESIDENTIAL IS MORE THE APARTMENT, LARGER SCALE RESIDENTIAL.
SO AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THESE LANE USES AND DEFINITIONS, THE PRIMARY IS GONNA BE WHAT YOU SEE MOST IN THAT PLACE TYPE.
UH, AND THEN THE, WHATEVER WE CALL THE SECONDARY COM COMPLIMENTARY USE THAT IT'S WHAT YOU, YOU DEFINITELY SEE IN THAT PLACE TYPE AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS CAN BE, UH, UH, COMPLIMENTARY USE, ET CETERA.
BUT THE, THAT'S LESS PREVALENT IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
IF WE LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A HOSPITAL, UM, OR THE, A COMPLEX LIKE BAYLOR, THE PREDOMINANT USE, THE PRIMARY USE IS THE HOSPITAL, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER ANCILLARY USES THAT HELP SUPPORT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR CAMPUS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST HOW TO DEFINE THE PRIMARY AND THE SUPPORTING OR COMPLIMENTARY USES IN THE PLA IN THE PLACE TYPES.
IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THOSE LANE USES ARE, ARE JUST, ARE LESSER, UM, IN TERMS OF VALUE WHAT OR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT IT'S MORE JUST HOW ARE THEY BEING APPLIED IN EACH OF THESE PLACE TYPES TO DEFINE THOSE PLACE TYPES.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I, I WAS JUST GOING TO, UH, COMPLIMENT, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN ON HIS THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT WORDS.
I, I, I LIKE COMPLIMENTARY, UH, USES.
AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP US IN OUR RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL COME, UM, WHICH WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT HELP.
THAT, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S CONSENSUS BUILDING.
UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? FOLLOW, UH, COMMISSIONER RUB? I DON'T HAVE ANY.
NOT, NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT, WELL, SINCE YOU OH, MY, THAT'S BECAUSE MY LIGHT WAS ON
I THINK SUPPORTING, UM, SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN COMPLIMENTARY.
AND I THINK WHAT WE, WHAT THE, THE ACTION WE'RE TRYING TO SET GET TO IS THAT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PRIMARY USE AND WE HAVE A COMPLIMENTARY USE THAT STILL BLENDS TOGETHER AND WORKS WELL TOGETHER.
SO I, I, I LIKE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S WORDSMITHING TO YOU, SIR.
YEAH, I, I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT MY, MY OWN WORDSMITHING HERE, BUT JUST ONE THING TO FOLLOW UP ON.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENT ASKING ABOUT WHETHER PRIMARY SUGGEST BY AND SUPPORTING SUGGEST BY THROUGH SOME OTHER MECHANISM.
I WOULD JUST WANNA SAY THAT I WANT TO SORT OF RESIST THAT CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE ONE ANOTHER WAY IN WHICH WE COULD CONTROL SUPPORTING USES IS SIMPLY BY THE PREVALENCE OF THE ZONING ON THE GROUND.
THERE COULD BE A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE, YOU KNOW, OF SOMETHING FROM, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF RESIDENTIAL TO A SMALL PARCEL BEING ZONED FOR, YOU KNOW, VERY LIGHT RETAIL AS A SUPPORTING USE AND WE'RE GOOD THERE.
AND THAT THAT'S BY RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT ZONING CHANGE.
BUT THEN IF ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, RETAIL ZONING APPLICATION COMES IN, THEN WE MAY SAY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE HERE.
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IS A SUPPORTING USE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SIMPLY A BUY RIGHT DISTINCTION.SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE US NOT TO INCORPORATE ANYTHING ABOUT BUY RIGHT INTO THIS PORTION OF, OF THE DOCUMENT.
UM, JUST AS, AS A CITY AS CPC AS STAFF, AS COUNCIL, UM, I THINK SOMETIMES IS, 'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE USED TO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN PDS EVERY TWO WEEKS THAT HAVE A YOUTH CHART, WHICH IS A BUY RIGHT? OR NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE USED TO LOOKING AT AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT COME BEFORE YOU HERE OR THERE THAT HAVE A, THIS CAN GO HERE, THIS CAN'T GO HERE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLANS THAT Y'ALL SEE WHICH HAVE THAT GUIDANCE.
THAT DOESN'T SAY IT CAN, AND IT CAN'T, IT JUST SAYS THIS IS THE GUIDANCE ABOUT WHAT COULD OR COULDN'T HAPPEN HERE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
BUT IN GOING DOWN, AND I AGREE BY RIGHT, THE DEFINITE THE TERMINOLOGY OF BY RIGHT.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND ISN'T THE CONCEPT TO STAY ABOVE THE GROUND.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT'S ON THE GROUND IS NOT FOR DALLAS.
I JUST WANNA GO BACK IN TERMS OF WHEN WE HEAR THE TERM BUY.
AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF ZONING AND LAND USE.
SO WE, WE, I SHOULD CORRECT THAT.
I SHOULD SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S ZONING.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE GROUND, IT'S ZONING, NOT LAND USE.
AND WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS ARE, ARE, AND NOT UNLESS I'M, I'M MISSING SOMETHING.
IS, IS LAND USE, CORRECT? YES.
AND I WOULD JUST CLICK, THERE IS NO BUY RIGHT IN LAND USE.
I MEAN THAT, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
THERE IS NO BUY RIGHT WITH LAND USE, BUY RIGHT IS ZONING.
AND THAT'S WHY LAND USE PROVIDES A RANGE OF OPTIONS, WHICH IS THEN UP TO THIS BODY AND CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WITHIN THAT POTENTIAL RANGE, BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 30,000 FEET, WHAT THEN IS ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE ON THE GROUND AT THE TIME A ZONING APPLICATION COMES IN.
SO EVEN A PRIMARY USE IS NOT BY, RIGHT.
IT MEANS YES, THAT IS THE PREDOMINANT USE IN THAT AREA, BUT IT STILL MIGHT NOT BE, IF A ZONING APPLICATION COMES IN, IN THAT AREA, THAT PRIMARY USE MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
WE'RE JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SOME AREAS IN SOME PLACE, TYPES LARGELY IS MADE UP OF X USE OR USES.
AND THEN IT MAY HAVE THOSE COMPLIMENTARY USES.
IN THOSE COMPLIMENTARY USES MAY REQUIRE MORE DEBATE HERE AT THE HORSESHOE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE ON A GIVEN PROPERTY.
THERE MAY BE LESS DEBATE FOR THE PRIMARY USES, BUT STILL DOESN'T TAKE AWAY YOUR ABILITY TO DEBATE ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY WHEN IT COMES IN.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I, I, I'M NOT SURE I'VE MADE MYSELF CLEAR BEFORE.
'CAUSE I, I, I, I WAS, I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GO TO IS, I, I THINK THERE'S GONNA, FOR THE PUBLIC ANYWAY, THERE'S GONNA BE AN UNDERLYING TENSION BETWEEN THE WAY THEY UNDERSTAND, I THINK THEY PUT ZONING AND LAND USE TOGETHER THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED TO VERY USED TO THINKING, OKAY, I'VE GOT CR ZONING, OR I'VE GOT R SEVEN FIVE ZONING.
AND THE SORT OF THE VISION FOR THAT AREA IS CODIFIED BY THE ZONING IN 51 A.
IT SAYS, WE, YOU CAN DO THIS BY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT R SEVEN FIVE, YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE IF YOU CAN GET THE PERMITS.
AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT YOU HAVE TO GET AN SUP, SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO THAT STRUCTURE'S GOING TO BE THERE, BUT WE'RE OVERLAYING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF VISION, YOU KNOW, ALTOGETHER.
SO I, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, SOME, I MEAN, I GET QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND, AND PEOPLE USE THE BUY, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO WITH WHAT THE FACT THAT 51 A AND THE ZONING IS STILL THERE, BUT WE'RE KIND OF OVERLAYING SOMETHING THAT, THAT INTRODUCES, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCEPTS AND DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING THINGS THAT PEOPLE AREN'T, AREN'T QUITE USED TO.
YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA THINK IT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND KINDA A NEW ANALOGY THAT I HOPE, UH, MAKES SENSE, UH, USE THIS.
AND I THINK, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT AND THAT SEEMED TO RESONATE WITH THE MEMBERS.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PLACE TYPES, LAND USE ZONING, UH, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THAT WITHOUT USING THE JARGON THAT WE USUALLY USE.
UH, SO THINK ABOUT JUST MUSIC, UH, OR LITERATURE.
UH, SO WITH THOSE TWO TYPES OF THINGS, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COVERS THE DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES, UH, GENRES.
YOU HAVE POP, YOU HAVE HIP HOP, YOU HAVE JAZZ.
UH, A GENRE DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT ARTIST NEEDS TO GO, WHERE
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A GENRE DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT SONG YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO.UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN GENRES THAT SAY POP WHERE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT LIKE ELVIS.
UM, JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A PARTICULAR PREFERENCE OR, OR LAND USE DOESN'T EXCLUDE SOMEBODY ELSE FROM HAVING ANOTHER ONE THAT'S STILL WITHIN THAT GENRE.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE COME BACK TO LAND USE, UH, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMMUNITY PLACE TYPE THAT MIGHT BE PREDOMINANTLY ONE LAND USE MIGHT HAVE A FEW OTHER ANCILLARY SUPPORTING LAND USES, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT THOSE TWO, UH, LAND USES FROM NOT BEING IN THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
SO I THINK WHEN WE GET INTO LOOKING AT LAND USE, AND THEN MAYBE ZONING, UH, ANOTHER, KINDA GOING BACK TO THE MUSIC ANALOGY.
SO YOU CAN HAVE AN ARTIST, DIFFERENT ARTISTS WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR GENRE.
UH, AN ARTIST CAN SING A SPECIFIC SONG, UH, LET'S SAY THAT'S ZONING, THAT HAS A CERTAIN CADENCE, CERTAIN TIME, CERTAIN WORDS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE GENRE DOESN'T DICTATE THE ARTIST.
THE GENRE DOESN'T DICTATE THE SONG.
UH, IT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL AND KIND OF HAS THOSE OTHER PIECES, UH, IN THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE, AS WE LOOK AT LIKE THE PLAY TYPES, LAND USE AND ZONING, THEY'RE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, UH, BUT ONE SHOULDN'T EXCLUDE THE OTHER.
IT'S, IT'S MEANT THAT THE GENERALITY OF A GENRE OR PLAY TYPE IS MEANT TO CAPTURE THE NUANCES THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY OR IN THAT PARTICULAR GENRE OR TYPOLOGY.
AND AS YOU GO INTO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, SOME MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT PREFERENCES OR MORE FOCUSES ON A LAND USE OR A SONG OR A ZONING CATEGORY.
AND THAT KIND OF TAILS DOWN INTO WHAT THEY, OR WHAT YOU ALL MIGHT KNOW SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT AREA OR ABOUT THAT.
UH, COMMUNITY COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, THANK YOU.
UM, COMPLIMENTARY, I, I THINK IS A GOOD STARTING POINT, UM, IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT IT DOESN'T, IN MY OPINION, TAKE AWAY WHAT'S SUPPORTING, RIGHT, BECAUSE COMPLIMENTARY LEAVES TO BEG WHAT THIS NEIGHBOR MAY THINK IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS OTHERS.
UM, ANOTHER WORD I THOUGHT WOULD BE NICE WOULD BE COMPATIBLE USE.
UM, AND COMPATIBLE WOULD BE USES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND ALREADY, UM, AND EVEN COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND ALREADY.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT POINT OUT THAT I'M, I'M AFRAID COMPLIMENTARY WOULD DO JUST AS MUCH DAMAGE, IF NOT MORE AS SUPPORTIVE.
PLEASE, COMMISSIONER WEER, UM, AGAIN, IN SOME CASES THE ACCESSORY USE IN, IN DEPENDS.
UM, IT MIGHT NOT NEED A STANDALONE USE WOULD NOT BE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT AN ACCESSORY TO THAT.
UM, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN SAID A BARBER SHOP AND A COFFEE SHOP, IT MIGHT, THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE, SO YOU WOULDN'T PUT THAT TOGETHER.
BUT, UM, A BARBER SHOP AND MAYBE A CIGAR LOUNGE,
AND THEN, OR A MALE, UM, LIKE WITH MASSAGES OR UH, NAIL WITH NAIL USE, UH, MY BRAIN IS SHUT TODAY, BUT THOSE ARE SENSORY USES THAT YOU LOOK AT, THAT YOU NECESSARILY DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE STANDALONE GREAT, BUT IT COULD BE AN ACCESSORY TO ANOTHER BUSINESS IN SOME KIND OF WAY.
UM, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE A STANDALONE, UM, UM, OR MIGHT BE COMPATIBLE A LIVE WORK.
A LIVE WORK HERE MIGHT NOT BE COMPATIBLE IN ANOTHER AREA.
UM, OR A SHARED WORKSPACE MIGHT NOT BE IN SOME AREAS, BUT IT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE IN ANOTHER AREA OR ACCESSORY TYPE OF DEAL.
IT COULD BE AN ACCESSORY TO ANOTHER BUSINESS.
SOME APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE MOVING INTO, HEY, WE HAVE THIS FREE SPACE, WHY NOT MAKE, WHY NOT ADD? AND THEY WERE HAVING PROBLEMS ON GETTING BUILDINGS THAT MAY, THAT HAD WHERE THEY HAD THOSE OTHER SPACES WHILE MAKING, UM, THAT SHARED WORKSPACE.
AND AT FIRST, SOME OF THOSE, THEY WERE HAVING PROBLEMS BECAUSE THE CITY WAS SAYING, HEY, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THIS BUILDING IS USED FOR THIS, THIS BUILDING IS USED FOR THAT.
BUT ONCE SOME OF 'EM GOT OVER THE HURDLE, IT MADE SENSE.
PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME, CAN'T NECESSARILY DON'T WANNA BE TOO FAR FROM HOME, BUT THEN NECESSARILY WORKING AT HOME IS NOT WORKING FOR THEM.
BUT THEY CAN USE THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL USE IN THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX IF FOR THEM TO COME TO WORK IN A SENSE, OR HAVE A MEETING AND SINCE, AND STILL BE AT HOME.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION FROM A, SO I'M HEARING SOME NOW, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT COMPLIMENTARY.
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I WILL SAY FROM A COMPATIBILITY, THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO WHO DETERMINES COMPATIBILITY.SO WE GET THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO CONSIDERS THAT? UH, SO I'M WONDERING BETWEEN TWO NOW, IF IT COMPLIMENT IF, IF IT'S NOT SUPPORTING, WHAT ABOUT COMPLIMENTARY OR SECONDARY? I THINK SECONDARY WAS RAISED AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THE BODY FEELS ABOUT SECONDARY.
YEAH, I KIND OF LIKE SECONDARY FOR THE LABEL BECAUSE IT SPEAKS TO PREVALENCE.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO THE TEXT THAT FOLLOWS THE, THE HEADING, I LIKE SUPPORT OR COMPLIMENT.
I THINK COMPATIBILITY WITH GREAT RESPECT FOR COMMISSIONER HERBERT PROBABLY GETS TOO CLOSE TO THE ZONING CONSIDERATIONS.
AND I WOULD MAYBE EVEN TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO SAY, A LESS PREVALENT USE THAT MAY SERVE TO SUPPORT OR COMPLEMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USE, WHICH GIVES ROOM FOR DISCRETION ABOUT COMPATIBILITY LATER DOWN THE ROAD.
SO TO SUMMARIZE, I WOULD SUGGEST CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HEAR OTHERS' FEEDBACK THAT WE CHANGE THE SECOND ONE TO PRIMARY USE A LESS PREVALENT USE THAT MAY SERVE TO SUPPORT OR COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USES AT S IN A, IN A PLACE TYPE IS KIND OF WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO SKIN THIS CAP.
COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
WE HAVE CONSENSUS FIRST TIME IN YEARS.
UH, THANK YOU
UH, SO GOING BACK TO OUR LIST OF ITEMS. SO NOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, THOSE DEFINITIONS, THE TERMINOLOGY, UH, IN PLACE, WE'RE GOING TO, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE GOING TO SPECIFIC SLIDES THAT WE SENT YOU ALL, UM, FIRST AND THEN IF YOU HAVE TIME TO EN EN ENGAGE ANY OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WE SENT YOU ALL, UH, WE WOULD WANNA DO THAT.
BUT THE, WHAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON NEXT IS WHETHER TO CHANGE THE MULTIPLEX FROM A PRIMARY TO A SECONDARY USE IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PLACE TYPE.
SO, UH, AFTER WE SEND THAT DECK TO YOU ALL, THERE'S A FEW QUESTIONS FROM A FEW OF Y'ALL.
SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, UH, WHAT'S ON THIS SLIDE AND, AND WHY WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING THROUGH THIS.
SO ONE, UH, AS WE CLARIFY WHAT PRIMARY SUPPORTING IS, UH, SECONDARY IS, UM, WANT TO THEN SHOW A LIST OF DISCUSSION ITEMS AND, AND, AND, UH, PLACE TYPES THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, EITHER MOVING FROM PRIMARY TO SUPPORTING, SUPPORTING THE PRIMARY.
WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN ISN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS IS MORE WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS BODY, EITHER THROUGH EMAILS, EITHER THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, EITHER THROUGH OUR WORKSHOPS, AND JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UH, SOME OF THOSE PLACE TYPES AND THE DISCUSSION POINTS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS IN ON A FEW OF THESE, UH, IN PARTICULARLY THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, THE CITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
BUT IT'S MORE TO GET CLARITY IN TERMS OF WHICH DIRECTION TO GO, UM, ON THESE PLACE TYPES.
AND WE'RE GONNA, I'VE ADDED A FEW MORE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION SLIDES, UH, JUST TO KIND OF DRILL DOWN ON EACH OF THOSE ITEMS. BUT THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
BUT YOU ALL WILL BE PROVIDING THAT CLARIFICATION AS WE CONTINUE WITH THE CONVERSATION TODAY.
COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER TURNOCK, PLEASE.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLEX NOW.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA DRILL, SO, RIGHT.
SO I, I THINK IT'S EASY TO FALL INTO THE TRAP WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS STUFF TO APPLY THIS KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITIES NOW, RIGHT? I JUST WANNA REITERATE, UH, THESE ARE COMMENTS THAT I THINK BEEN SAID BEFORE BY ME AND OTHER PLAN COMMISSIONERS.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MULTIPLEX PROJECT COMING INTO TO THE MARKET CURRENTLY THAT WOULD NEED ZONING ENTITLEMENTS, THAT'S CURRENTLY TAKING A YEAR.
DESIGN DEVELOPMENT COULD TAKE ANOTHER YEAR.
PERMITTING CURRENTLY IS TAKING A YEAR.
CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE TWO MORE YEARS, LEASE UP OR SALES WOULD TAKE A YEAR.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD ON A TIMELY MANNER FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SIX YEARS UNTIL THESE UNITS WOULD COME INTO THE MARKET.
AND THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDING MARKET ADAPTION.
MARKET ADAPTION COULD BE THREE YEARS.
SO WE ARE HITTING A MOVING TARGET THAT IS NEARLY A DECADE OUT.
SO AS WE WE GO INTO THIS DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY'S MIND TO BE ORIENTED INTO WHAT WOULD BE THE STATE OF OUR COMMUNITIES GIVEN THE, THE CURRENT TRAJECTORY.
AND WE SAW THE MULTIPLE MEDIAN STATISTICS OF THE LAST 20 YEARS.
WE ARE ON A 10 YEAR CRASH COURSE
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FOR BECOMING A HIGHLY, HIGHLY UNAFFORDABLE CITY.IF THAT CONTINUES, WHAT WILL THAT LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS, MR. RUBIN? YEAH.
UM, I, I THINK COMMISSIONER CHAIR KNOX'S COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BEING A LONG-TERM PLAN ARE VERY WISE.
AND WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT ONE YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, MISSING MIDDLE IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO PROVIDING HOUSING, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE HOUSING NEEDS OF THE CITY.
I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS KEEPING THIS AS A PRIMARY LAND USE IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.
I HEAR LOTS OF CONCERNS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THIS PLACE TYPE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SHOULD BE THE ONLY THING ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, IN, IN PERPETUITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I'M OF A PEACE WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, I'M PROBABLY NOT.
BUT THERE'S ANOTHER LARGE CONSTITUENCY THAT HAS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT DUPLEXES, MULTIPLEXES THAT HAS REALLY SEEN A LOT OF PRODUCT THAT IS NOT VERY GOOD IN LARGE PART DUE TO OUR CURRENT ZONING.
YOU KNOW, I DRIVE ON COLUMBIA INTO WORK EVERY DAY, AND THERE'S A SORT OF A SIXPLEX TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, THERE AREN'T ENTRANCES ON THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, YOU ENTER THROUGH THE GARAGE AND THEN YOU GO INTO YOUR HOME THROUGH THE GARAGE.
IT'S ALL CONCRETE IN THE FRONT YARD ALONG WHATEVER THAT STREET IS.
SO I THINK THE KEY TO GETTING COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL TO WORK WHILE KEEPING, YOU KNOW, A MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR MISSING MIDDLE IS TO KEEP MULTIPLEXES AS A PRIMARY USE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ACKNOWLEDGING VERY FRANKLY, THAT WE NEED MEANINGFUL DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FLESH THEM ALL OUT RIGHT NOW.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN OR SHOULD FLESH THEM ALL, ALL OUT RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE GET TO ACTUAL ZONING, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CONSEQUENCES THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, FALL FROM IMPLEMENTING DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THAT CERTAINLY WE HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE WORK TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THOSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, TO ADD LANGUAGE IN THE TEXT, TALKING ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE, AS COMMISSIONER WHEELER REFERENCED IN HER COMMENTS THAT YES, TOWN HOMES, BUT MAYBE NOT THE TOWN HOMES THAT WE'RE SEEING SO PREVALENTLY RIGHT NOW.
AND THE OTHER PIECE IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONSIDERATIONS WILL VARY FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO KNOCK DOWN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME AND PUT A NINE PLEX, I MIGHT HAVE SOME CALMS ABOUT THAT MYSELF.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE AREN'T PLACES WHERE MULTIPLEXES, YOU KNOW, A TRIPLEX, A QUADPLEX WOULD FIT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOT NECESSARILY MID-BLOCK, BUT MAYBE ON CORNER LOTS.
OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET CLOSER ON MAJOR CORRIDORS THAT I THINK ARE STILL A VERY MEANINGFUL PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
EVERY HOUSE IN MY STREET IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
BUT IF YOU WALK OVER ONE OR TWO BLOCKS, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY FOUR QUADPLEXES THAT GET CLOSER TO GASTON THAT ARE ALL SORT OF RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT ARE PERFECTLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO STORIES.
THEY HAVE ENTRANCES ON THE STREET, THE PARKING'S ALL IN THE REAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK LOCATIONAL LANGUAGE, AGAIN, IS, IS REALLY KEY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH ALL THE ANSWERS ON LOCATION RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE TALK ABOUT BEING SENSITIVE TO LOCATION.
NOW I WANNA TOUCH ON YOUR, YOUR COMMENT REAL QUICK.
SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE SHARING ON THE SCREEN, WHAT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE JUST NEED SOME CLARITY ON, WHAT WAS CLEAR, UH, DURING OUR WORKSHOPS WERE ADDITIONAL LOCATIONAL LANGUAGE, THE, THE TOUCH ON DESIGN LANGUAGE, UM, WHERE AND HOW, UM, SHOULD OTHER USES BE LOCATED, UH, IN EACH PLACE TYPE.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, UH, ADDED AND INCLUDED IN THE U UPDATES.
UM, BUT I THINK JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY, UM, A LOT OF THAT THAT WE HEARD THROUGH THIS HORSESHOE CLEAR FROM STEPH, WHICH DIRECTION TO GO ON THAT.
UH, BUT JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING TO, UM, WHEN WE COME, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE, THE, THE MULTIPLEX HERE.
ALSO WANNA JUST KIND OF PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING AND WHAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW.
UH, SO JUST ON THE SCREEN, AGAIN, ANOTHER CLARIFYING SLIDE JUST BASED ON FEEDBACK I HEARD EARLIER, UH, LAST FEW DAYS, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS EITHER MAKE MULTIPLEX THE PRIMARY SUPPORTING, UM, AND AS
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WE LOOK AT WHAT CLUB PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A SUPPORTING, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, THAT WAS A PRIMARY USE.AND AS WE LOOK TO FOR DALLAS OH SIX, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MULTIFAMILY CATEGORY, UH, WHICH INCLUDED SMALLER APARTMENTS, THAT WAS THE SPECIFIC TERM THAT IS A, A PRIMARY USE IN THAT BUILDING BLOCK.
SO AS WE ARE LOOKING AT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO, I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE SCREEN WHAT CLUB RECOMMENDED AND ALSO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW.
UM, AND HAVE YOU ALL JUST PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION IN TERMS OF, UH, WHERE WE SHOULD GO WITH THAT PARTICULAR LAND USE.
CAN I ASK ONE FOLLOW-UP? YOU TALK ABOUT LANGUAGE IN A REVISION THAT ADDRESSES DESIGN STANDARDS AND LOCATION.
IS THAT GOING TO BE COMING IN OUR MAY 23RD DRAFT? YES.
SO AFTER WE GET CLARIFICATION ON, ON THESE ITEMS, THE NEXT DRAFT WILL HAVE SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS.
UH, SO YES, WE WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS AND WE HAVE A WAY MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT VERY CLOSELY AND MAYBE EVEN TINKER WITH IT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS COMES UP FOR A FINAL VOTE.
I THINK THAT IS SORT OF THE GLUE THAT BRINGS A LOT OF THE LOOSE PARTS A HUNDRED PERCENT TOGETHER.
AND I THINK AS WE, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON SOME ITEMS THAT WE JUST NEED CLARITY ON, BUT IT MAKES SENSE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER KINSON HAS MENTIONED THIS, JUST TO HAVE THE TOTALITY OF THE DOCUMENT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT WE JUST NEED SOME KEY POINTS TO KIND OF GET THAT DIRECTION GOING SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT, UH, COMPREHENSIVE SET FOR YOU ALL TO THEN MAKE A, AN INFORMED DECISION OF A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL.
UM, ONE, ONE QUICK LITTLE COMMENT BEFORE WE, WE, I, I DON'T WANNA GET SIDETRACKED, BUT I, I, I JUST FRANKLY JUST CAN'T RESIST.
IT'S A REALLY SMALL TYPE HERE FOR US TO SEE.
COULD, COULD YOU ZOOM IN RIGHT NOW? WHAT, WHAT DOES CURRENT FORWARD DALLAS 2006 THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 18 YEARS, WHAT DOES IT HAVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING BLOCK? SO UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING BLOCK, UM, THERE, THE TWO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT'S, UH, CURRENTLY THE CURRENT CLUB DRAFT, UH, IS THAT THE MULTIFAMILY IS A PRIMARY USE, UM, IN THAT DOCUMENT.
IT DOESN'T SAY, IT DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TYPES OF MULTIFAMILY, IT JUST SAYS, UH, SMALLER APARTMENTS.
UH, SO A FEW EXAMPLES, GARAGE APARTMENTS, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT OTHER TYPE OF A DU PRODUCTS THAT'S ALSO A SUPPORTING USE.
SO BASED ON JUST US READING THE TEXT AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT CORRELATION, THAT'S HOW WE IDENTIFY THAT.
SO MULTIFAMILY AND LODGING WERE ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING BLOCK.
THIS IS AN APPLES, APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, UH, AND HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 18 YEARS, ALMOST 20 YEARS.
UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE DRIVE, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
DID YOU, DID YOU, I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND.
FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON BY THEN.
WELL, UM, VERY, VERY BRIEFLY, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT HELPFUL.
I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT THE MULTIPLEX.
I THINK I'M, I I MAY GET THERE.
THIS SLIDE IN FRONT OF US IS VERY HELPFUL AND SOME GOOD CONTEXT.
UM, I'M A, A, A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE, UH, THE A DU TOWNHOUSE, DUPLEX TRIPLEX, UM, DOTS ON THE, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT TO MR. UH, CHER'S VERY, UH, IMPORTANT REMARKS THAT EVEN IF MULTIPLEX DROPPED OFF OF HERE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, BENEFIT 90% OR MORE OF, OF THE, TOWARDS THE GOAL OF, OF, OF CREATING HOUSING, UH, BY, BY WAY OF, OF, UH, SOME OF THESE SMALLER, UH, TYPES.
I MAY GET THERE, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
SINCE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK, I'LL JUST QUICKLY SAY IN A RARE INSTANCE, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WITH WHAT HE SAID.
UM, PROBABLY MUCH TO SORIN OF PART OF MY DISTRICT.
UM, I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, THOUGHTFULNESS, ABOUT LOCATION AND ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH CHIEF MARTINEZ AND, UM, OH, I FORGET HIS NAME, MAYBE JEFF MATHIS, WHO'S THE OPERATIONS DIRECTOR FOR DFNR.
AND I THINK FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS A LOT OF BLAME FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S DECISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO FORM.
AND A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING BUILT IS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS THE BUILDERS DECIDING THAT THEY WANT BIG, OLD HONKING, UH, GARAGES FOR OUR SUVS
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AND BIG SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO PULL IN AND OUT OF AND TURN AROUND IN.AND THEN PEOPLE BLAME THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE FORM.
AND IT'S NOT REALLY THEM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT ON DRIVEWAYS ANYWAY.
UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS, TO ADDRESS THE FORM OF THE BUILDING WITHIN OUR CODE TO MAKE SOME OF THE SMALLER, UH, MULTIFAMILY FIT IN BETTER, UM, NOT NECESSARILY, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THE THOROUGHFARES ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE HISTORICALLY SEE THEM IN OUR COMMUNITIES NOW.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN THE LANGUAGE OF THIS DOCUMENT, SO THAT WE'RE CLEARLY COMMUNICATING THE INTENTIONS GOING FORWARD IN ORDER TO, UM, ASSUAGE SOME FEARS AND HOPEFULLY PICK UP SOME SUPPORT.
I THINK MAYBE I DID MY COMMENTS TOO SOON.
UM, AGAIN, MY COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY I REPRESENT IS IN FULL FEAR, NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE WANT, DON'T WANT MULTIFAMILY WHEN WE GET BEFORE THIS BOARD.
AND IT'S A ZONE STRAIGHT ZONING.
THE FACT THAT PLACE THAT, THAT, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS ARE NOT REALLY UP FOR DISCUSSION WEIGHS HEAVILY IN ON WHETHER I SHOULD, SHOULD I GO FOR AN APPROVAL PROCESS? BECAUSE YES, I MIGHT THINK THAT A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT MIGHT CAN GO ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT, BUT THEN THE DEVELOPER CREATES A PROJECT THAT IS SO EGREGIOUS THAT WHY WOULD I, WHY WOULD THE COMMUNITY GET BEHIND IT? UM, WE HAVE AREAS IN SOUTH DALLAS RIGHT NOW THAT WERE SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE NOW SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
WHEN PRIOR TO CPC DOING AREA, WHEN I WAS ON THE AREA PLAN, I DEFINITELY COME INTO THOSE SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE KI THAT ARE, WE HAVE STILL HAVE A FEW, THANK GOD THAT THE DEVELOPER ALONG LIVE OAK GASTON SEEN VISION TO KEEP THOSE AND REHAB THEM.
THOSE WERE THE TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE WHEN I WALK OUT THE DOOR, MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS MY NEIGHBOR HERE ACROSS, I SEE THEM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO INTERACT BECAUSE WE SEE EACH OTHER.
AND THEN, SO IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE ARE SINGLE, WHERE THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THOSE TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY, UH, COMPLEXES SEEM MORE COMMUNAL THAN THOSE THAT ARE BEING BUILT NOW.
UM, ALSO LOOKED AT ME TALKING TO SOME MEMBERS OF CHOPPY.
THEY HAD NO, NO VISION TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT ANY APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN CHOPPY, BUT WHEN WE GO TO LOOKING AT A CORRIDOR THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A BUSINESS CORRIDOR, BUT WHAT IF WE DID A MONTH? WHAT IF WE DID A MIXED USE WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF APARTMENTS THAT WOULD ALSO HELP SUPPORT, BUT NOT A HUNDRED, 200 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT SOMETHING MAYBE LIKE WHAT'S ON BEAR STREET THAT HAS UPPER UNITS OR MAYBE 20 APARTMENTS, BUT IN THAT PORTAL, WHICH WILL BRING ROOFTOPS, BUT WE'LL NOT, WE'LL NOT GO IN TO MAKING OUR COMMUNITY LOOK LIKE WHAT IS IN UPTOWN.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE, THE COMMUNITY DRIVEN, I REALLY BELIEVE IN MULTIFAMILY IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS.
BUT IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE GREEDY, IT BECOMES A, THAT BECOMES ME SITTING ON THE FENCE SAYING, WE COULD REALLY USE THAT.
I KNOW PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY DON'T WANNA BUY HOMES OR DON'T EVEN SEE THEIR SELF THERE.
THEY WANNA LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD IT BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING, WE HAVE MORE, WE HAVE HOUSING.
WE HAD A WHOLE AREA THAT HAS SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES, AND THESE PEOPLE LIVED THERE.
THEY WERE TORE DOWN, BECAME CITY PROPERTIES FOR 20, 25 YEARS.
WHEN THE REZONING OR, OR THEIR PLAN CAME IN AND A NEW PD CAME IN, IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE THOUGHT OF THOSE WHO LIVE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.
JUST BECAUSE I'M A RENTER DOES NOT MEAN NO LESS THAN I AM.
THERE IS PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY WHO HAVE RENTED.
I HAD ONE LADY WHO, UM, RENTED AN APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR 30 YEARS AND THEN MOVED INTO A HOUSE BECAUSE THE APARTMENTS TORE DOWN AND SHE LIVED THERE ANOTHER 15 YEARS.
WE HAVE LONG TIME RENTERS IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
AND SO WHEN IT BECOMES THAT DIVIDE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, IT, IT, IT IS, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T WANT IT.
I BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE FEAR THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE GOT GREEN AND WE, YEAH.
AND TO, TO DOUBLE UP ON, ON THAT, UM, BECAUSE, UM, GUESS THAT THE AREA PLAN THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, THERE IN SOUTH DASA FAIR PARK, UM, WHICH WE HOPE TO BRING BEFORE CCP C SHORTLY, UM, AGAIN, WHAT WE, WHAT WE HEARD FROM THAT COMMUNITY WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY AGAINST LIKE A DUPLEX.
THEY WEREN'T AGAINST THE STRUCTURE THAT HAD TWO DOORS ON THERE.
THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE DUPLEXES THAT WERE BEING BUILT THERE, UM, THE NEW ONES.
AND SO WE WORK WITH THEM ON DESIGN STANDARDS THAT, UM, BASICALLY
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IT'S REAL SIMPLE.IT'S PORCHES IN THE FRONT, GARAGES IN THE BACK, TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT THAN A PITCHED ROOF AND A, A PROMINENT, A LESS PROMINENT DRIVEWAY.
AND THAT WORKS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
DOESN'T, MIGHT NOT WORK EVERYWHERE, BUT THOSE UNDERLYING DESIGN CONCEPTS OF BASICALLY THE PROMINENCE OF THE GARAGE AND THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THE FRONT DOOR OR THE WALKUP APPEAL DOES HAVE THOSE TYPES OF DESIGN ISSUES PRETTY MUCH IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN EVERY DISTRICT HERE IN DALLAS.
AND SO I THINK WE CAN GIVE SOME BROAD DESIGN GUIDELINES TO SAY, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD SOME OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE, IT, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE THOSE CONCEPTS IN THE UNDERLYING DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, THAT THAT COULD BE APPLICABLE, THAT THEN GOES BEFORE A CPC CASE.
SO YOU SAY, YES, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M MOST SUPPORTIVE OF BECAUSE THE DESIGN, UM, IS BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER DESIGN THAT'S BEEN BUILT HERE RECENTLY IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, DISTRICT ONE, BISHOP ARTS AREA, UPTOWN AREA, THEY LIKE, THEY LIKE DENSITY, THEY WANT DENSITY, THEY LIKE THE WALKABILITY.
AND THEN YOU GO OVER TO DISTRICT 14 THAT HAS ALL THESE DIFFERENT USES THAT LOOK GREAT TOGETHER, BUT WHEN THEY WERE DESIGNED, THEY WERE DESIGNED STILL WITH COMMUNITY IN MIND.
AND SO, UM, I LITERALLY WAS SELLING, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, KINGSTON, THAT APP APPRO THAT THERE'S PROJECTS THAT'S BEING WORKED ON IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND I LITERALLY RODE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET A IDEA OF TOWN HOMES THAT WOULD FIT, FIT THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR THOSE TOWN HOMES THAT HAD HAD FRONT, FRONT DOORS THAT WENT TO, THAT WERE ON THE OR STREET FRONT THAT DID NOT HAVE SHARED ACCESS.
AND IT WAS TO GIVE, GIVE THE PROJECT A IDEAL OF WHAT THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DESIGN AND ALSO LOOKING AT BEAR STREET, LOOKING AT THAT WAS DONE IN A WAY THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PRO THAT WE ARE BUILDING FOR COMMUNITY AS FAR AND ROOFTOPS, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARE LIVING IN SPACES THAT THEY NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO PLAY BECAUSE SOMEONE DEVELOPED WITHOUT COMMUNITY IN MIND.
AND JUST TO TOUCH ON YOUR POINT, UH, I THINK EVERYTHING YOU JUST MENTIONED WAS KIND OF THE, THE CORE OF WHY THE, THAT MULTIPLEX WAS BROUGHT UP.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES WHEN, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT FORWARD DALLAS OH SIX, UM, THEY DON'T WANT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THEY DON'T EVEN WANT A MEDIUM SIZED, UH, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY.
THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE SAME SCALE, BUT THEY CAN STILL OWE AFFORD TO LIVE THERE AND HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, I'M GLAD YOU, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP BAYER STREET.
UM, BONTON FARMS, THERE'S A LOT OF PRODUCT THERE.
WHEN YOU SHOW PICTURES OF, UH, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR AN APEX, IT LOOKS LIKE A CLUSTER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES UNTIL YOU TELL THEM NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, A APEX TOGETHER.
SO WHEN YOU KIND OF START TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, YOU CAN START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WANTING IN THESE AREAS, UM, VERSUS WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE, UH, TO, TO SELECT.
SO YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT, JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU MENTIONED, COMMISSIONER, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, WE HAVE A HARD STOP NOW.
WE'LL CONCLUDE THE BRIEFING, THEN WE'LL BEGIN THE HEARING AND GO RIGHT BACK TO THIS ITEM.
UH, COMMISSIONER FORESITE, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER BLAIR, 1245.
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THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.WE WILL NEED A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE HERE.
DISTRICT SEVEN, PRESENT DISTRICT EIGHT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAIN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 16TH, 2020 4, 12 40 6:00 PM A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE HEAD RIGHT BACK INTO OUR DISCUSSION.
UH, TODAY, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.
WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
I'LL REMIND ALL OUR SPEAKERS TO BE PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND WITH OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON AND WORKING.
OTHERWISE, WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU.
UM, IN CASES WHERE WE DO HAVE, UH, OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL GET
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A REBUTTAL TIME COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD[BRIEFINGS (Part 2 of 2)]
AND GO RIGHT BACK TO THIS FORWARD DALLAS PIECE, BEGINNING WITH COMMISSIONER FORESITE.THANK YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN SHADI, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING, UH, THERE WITH YOU TODAY.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ON THIS.
I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION ABOUT A STATISTIC THAT, UH, LAWRENCE SAGU AND PATRICK BLADES HAD GIVEN US IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE STARTED DELIBERATING ON THE FORD DALLAS PLAN, WHICH WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE REPRESENTS 44% OF THE LAND MASS IN DALLAS AND SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS REPRESENT 34% OF THAT, UH, LAND, TOTAL LAND MASS IN DALLAS.
SO BASICALLY, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS REPRESENT ALMOST 80% OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
SO, UH, REALLY WE HAVE TO, UH, EMPHASIZE THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ARE THE DOMINANT LAND USE IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
AND WE'VE HEARD IT FROM, UH, NORTH DALLAS ALL THE WAY TO SOUTH DALLAS.
AND ALL THE TOWN HALLS THAT WE'VE HAD, THAT SINGLE FAM FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL THAT THE FORD DALLAS PLAN IS TARGETING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHEN YOU READ THE COMMI COM COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, IT'S LITTERED WITH LANGUAGE OF GENTLE DENSITY, UH, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, UH, ADDING DUPLEXES AND, AND, AND TOWN HOMES AND MULTIPLEXES, UH, IN, IN, UH, THAT ARE IN SCALE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THERE, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE FOLKS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WANT IT VERY CLEAR THAT MULTIPLEXES ARE NOT A PRIMARY LAND USE IN THIS CATEGORY, IN THIS PLACE TYPE.
AND, AND THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE ASKED FOR US TO MOVE THIS TO A SECONDARY USE.
IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS, IS, IS, IS REVERT BACK TO THE OTHER REQUEST THAT WE'VE HEARD, WHICH IS WE PUT IN A SEPARATE, UH, PLACE TYPE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CHOICE HERE.
UH, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT THAT IS COMPROMISING AND THAT ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS OF FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
NONE OF US ARE OPPOSED TO DENSITY, BUT WHAT WE AGREED TO WAS THAT THAT DENSITY WOULD NOT BE ON A VACANT LOT THAT COMES UP IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT DENSITY WOULD BE ON THAT VACANT LOT OR THAT COMMERCIAL, UH, COMPLEX ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE OR THE TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF SCENARIO WHERE YOU KNOW THAT THAT DENSITY IS WARRANTED.
AND, AND, AND, AND SO THEREFORE, MULTI MULTIPLEX SHOULD BE A SECONDARY LAND USE IN, IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, PLACE TYPE.
AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO REMOVE TRIPLEXES FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, UH, DESIGNATION BECAUSE TRIPLEXES FIT UNDER MULTIPLEXES AND, AND, AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE, UH, LISTED UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
SO, UH, I, I DO APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I'M SURE THIS PLAN'S GONNA PASS TO CPC, BUT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME FEROCIOUS OPPOSITION FROM, FROM FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS HERE BEFORE THIS GOES TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
SO I JUST WANT TO, UM, ADDRESS A FEW THINGS.
UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH MENTIONED, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO THE VISION OF OH SIX, UH, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
UH, UH, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS ACTUALLY SHARE, UH, AN EXCERPT OF, UM, WHAT'S IN THE OH SIX FOR DALLAS DOCUMENT.
THERE'S DIFFERENT APPENDICES AND SECTIONS.
I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE HOUSING ASSESSMENT.
UH, JUST TO TOUCH ON THE VISION, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PLANS WE'RE LOOKING AT, LOOK AT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ALL COMPONENTS.
SO EVEN AS I READ THIS OFF, PLEASE GO AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRETY OF THE DOCUMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT AT THIS BODY, BUT I WANNA SPEAK TO AN, UH, ITEM THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, UH, REAL QUICKLY, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
OH, BEFORE WE GET THERE, SORRY, JUST WANNA SHARE THIS.
UH, SO I'M GONNA READ THE, THIS, THE HOUSING ASSESSMENT FOR DALLAS OH SIX.
UH, THIS IS THE ONE OF THE APPENDICES.
UM, THE LAST PARAGRAPH, UH, DALLAS MUST SHIFT AWAY FROM BUILDING PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO BUILD PRIMARILY OTHER TYPES OF HOMES,
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MORE IN LINE WITH THE FOUR DALLAS VISION.UH, AN INNOVATIVE APPROACH TO HOUSING WOULD INCLUDE REDEVELOPMENT AND IN-FIELD DEVELOPMENT, AND A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ADD CHARACTER TO THE CITY AND PROVIDE RESIDENTS MORE CHOICES.
UH, AND THEN IT GOES FORWARD AND KIND OF BREAKS DOWN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING CHOICES THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IN, IN FORT DALLAS, OH SIX.
BUT I JUST WANTED JUST TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON, AS WE LOOK AT THE VISION THAT'S COMING OUT FROM OH SIX, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE OUR ANALYSIS AND STAFF, AND THAT'S PART OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE, UM, KIND OF HAD BEHIND THE SCENES AS WE COME BEFORE YOU ALL, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT DOCUMENT IN DEPTH.
UH, BUT LO A LOT OF THAT'S A LOT OF THAT LANGUAGE.
A LOT OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS AREN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST NOW 20 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS AN ISSUE AT THAT TIME TOO.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP.
UM, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT FROM OH SIX IDENTIFIED THAT AS BEING AN ISSUE THAT IF WE DIDN'T ADDRESS COULD HAVE SOME IMPLICATIONS TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH HAS A FOLLOW UP.
THANK YOU SINCE, UH, LAWRENCE, UH, WANTS TO REFER TO THE 2006 PLAN.
PLEASE, UH, ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THESE PASSAGES FROM THE FORD DALLAS, UH, PLAN FROM 2006, CREATE STRONG AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS, ENSURING THAT PEOPLE FROM ALL PARTS OF DALLAS HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS WITH GOOD SCHOOLS, PLENTY OF PARTS AND OTHER PUBLIC AMENITIES.
AND AN IMPORTANT KEY INITIATIVE OF THIS PLAN, EQUALLY IMPORTANT ARE PROVISIONS TO PROTECT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS BY STEERING GROWTH TOWARDS AREAS WHERE IT IS WANTED AND NEEDED.
AND, AND WE ALL AGREE THAT IT IS WANTED AND NEEDED IN THE AREAS THAT ARE THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, FORMER COMMERCIAL RETAIL, OR THE TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ARE THE VACANT AREAS IN SOUTHERN DALLAS.
AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS BUILDING BLOCK REPRESENTS THE LIFEBLOOD OF DALLAS, THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE THE DOMINANT LAND USE IN THESE AREAS.
PUBLIC INVESTMENT WILL FOCUS ON PROTECTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE BY PROVIDING AMENITIES SUCH AS PARKS, TRAILS, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, AND STRONG CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND THEN FINALLY, ON PAGE 1 34, IT SAYS, PROMOTES AND PROTECTS ENDURING VALUE OF DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS.
STRONG NEIGHBORHOODS ARE VITAL TO DALLAS'S SUCCESS AS A WORLD CLASS CITY.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE FORD DALLAS PLANT FROM 2006 TALKED ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF DALLAS.
THEY'RE AN ENDURING PART OF DALLAS'S LEGACY.
IT WHAT IS, WHAT MAKES DALLAS A STRONG WORLD CLASS CITY? WE NEED TO BE PROTECTING THOSE FOLKS THAT, AGAIN, REPRESENT, UH, 80% OF THE LANDMASS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
AND, AND, AND YOU READ THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, AND IT'S ALL ORIENTED TO MISSING MIDDLE AND GENTLE DENSITY AND, AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THAT.
AND NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT PROTECTING HISTORICAL DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, NSOS, ET CETERA.
AND, AND OF COURSE, NOTHING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION.
SO FOLKS IN NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL THAT WITH THIS PLAN BEING ADOPTED, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ON, ON EDGE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THE ONUS IS GONNA BE ON THEM TO PROTECT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FEEL THAT THE CCP C IS GONNA BE PROTECTING THEM WHEN THESE ZONING CASES COME UP.
BECAUSE DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA USE THIS PLAN TO BASICALLY JUSTIFY ALL THIS INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND THESE VACANT LOTS WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IF, IF, IF, IF THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT, THEN WE SHOULD MAKE THESE CHANGES THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE ASKED FOR.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, AND WE THANK YOU.
I, UM, I HAVE TO GO TO THE SAME COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WITH, UM, MR. FORSYTH AND, AND HAVE HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THIS.
UM, I WILL SAY, UNFORTUNATELY, THE LAST, SINCE 2006, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE ALREADY CHANGED.
WE'VE ALLOWED MULTIFAMILY NEXT TO RESIDENTIALS OF POOR PEOPLE OR MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE.
WE'VE ALLOWED TOWN HOMES AND AREAS THAT WERE DEEMED POOR OR THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.
UM, WE FARMED COMMUNITIES THIS WAY BY PUTTING POOR PEOPLE IN AREAS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE BEEN FORSAKEN.
SO NOW THEY ARE THE COMMUNITY.
I HAVE SEVERAL COMMUNITIES IN MY DISTRICT.
UH, THE ELDER, ELDER OAK COMMUNITY, FOR INSTANCE, IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE RED BIRD AREA.
I HAVE CAPELLA PARK WHO HAS LIVED WORK AREA, UM, RESIDENCES THAT OWN THEIR PROPERTIES IN MY COMMUNITY.
UM, I GO TO TWIN OAKS HARBOR GLEN, ALL ALONG KEITH, THEIR APARTMENTS ARE BUDDING
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RESIDENCES.HOW DO I MA MAKE A PLAN THAT SAYS YOU ARE NO LONGER SUPPORTED OR A PRIMARY USE.
SO I, I I UNDERSTAND THAT SINGLE FAMILY, UM, UM, RESIDENTS WANT PROTECTION.
I THINK THIS GIVES US THE PROTECTION WE NEED FURTHER THAN FOR DALLAS.
OH SIX FOR DALLAS, OH SIX, CALL FOR MULTI-FAMILY ACROSS THE BOARD AS A PRIMARY USE.
IT DIDN'T SAY TOWNHOME, IT SAID MULTIFAMILY ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE GOTTEN, THAT'S BEEN USED.
WE HAVE 300 UNIT APARTMENTS, 400 UNIT APARTMENTS, 200 UNIT APARTMENTS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, ACROSS DISTRICT THREE.
UM, THE NUMBERS ARE OUTSTANDING.
SO, UM, I I, I SUPPORT MOVING IT AS A, UH, PRIMARY.
I MEAN, AS A I ON THE FENCE RIGHT NOW.
IT IS A PRIMARY USE OF MY COMMUNITY TODAY.
I CAN GET BEHIND, BUT ELIMINATED IT COMPLETELY.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I PROBABLY REPRESENT THE MOST DIVERSE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF HOUSING TYPE OF THE CITY, AND I'M GETTING FEEDBACK THAT'S ALL OVER THE MAP.
THE LOUDEST GROUP IS THE, PROBABLY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING ACTIVISTS.
UM, BUT I, I JUST, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER FORSETH SAID.
I, I'M HEARING STAFF SAY THAT THE REVISIONS TO THE PLAN WILL INCLUDE RECOGNITION OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, NSOS PDS, AND THAT THE MAP WILL BE UPDATED TO INCLUDE SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T FIND IT ALL THAT HELPFUL TO CONTINUALLY LOOK BACK AT A PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD.
I MEAN, 20 YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE UBER
I MEAN, WE
I MEAN, I JUST, I DON'T FIND THAT ALL THAT HELPFUL.
THEY, THE ONE THING THAT IS TRUE IS CITIES DO NOT STAY THE SAME.
AND WHAT I'M HEARING THE SINGLE FAMILY ADVOCATES ASK IS THAT NOTHING CHANGE, AND THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC.
UM, WE ARE EXPECTING AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF PEOPLE COME TO OUR CITY.
AND WHEN I THINK BACK TO WHAT AUSTIN TRIED TO DO YEARS AGO, THEY DIDN'T WANT, THEY DIDN'T WANT POPULATION GROWTH.
SO THEY JUST DUG THEIR HEELS AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA BUILD MORE ROADS.
WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA BUILD HOUSING.
AND FOR DECADES, THEY DEALT WITH SOME OF THOSE BAD DECISIONS.
AND WHAT THIS DOCUMENT SHOULD BE DOING IS PLANNING AND TRYING TO MANAGE THAT CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S COMING WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT.
AND WE CAN EITHER CHANGE IN A DIRECTION THAT SOME OF THE NORTHEASTERN CITIES LIKE DETROIT DID, OR WE CAN MANAGE THE CHANGE IN A HEALTHY WAY AND PROSPER FROM IT.
AND SO I, AS MUCH AS I RESPECT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING ADVOCATES, I THINK WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR WAYS TO INCREASE DENSITY IN PLACES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, I, I THINK THAT DESTABILIZES COMMUNITIES AND I DON'T SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, EVERY VACANT LOT, UH, THAT IT, CLEARLY COUNCIL'S ALREADY SAID THEY DON'T SUPPORT IT EITHER.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT PLACES WHERE IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO DO IT.
AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS CITY TO DO NOT ONLY MULTIFAMILY, BUT OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING, UM, THAT, THAT CAN LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY, WHETHER IT'S COTTAGE COURT OR SHARED ACCESS, OR OTHER TYPES OF WAYS TO MORE EFFICIENTLY USE OUR LAND.
AND THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS WE SHOULD BE HAVING INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO HARP ON SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY AT THIS HORSESHOE SHOULD DARN WELL KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA DO.
COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU THERE? I THINK THAT, UM, DURING THIS PROCESS, ESPECIALLY AS FORWARD DALLAS HAS BEEN, HAS HEATED UP.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT I WAS TOLD EARLY ON, DON'T BE DRIVEN BY FEAR.
AND SO I HAVEN'T MADE, DID A BUNCH OF PUBLIC CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS BECAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR, BUT I DID A LOT OF TALKING WITH STAFF AND ASKING STAFF, WHAT DOES THIS EXACTLY MEAN? WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS NEEDING? HAVING SMALLER COMMUNITY GROUPS AS A, FORMING A COALITION OF NEIGHBORS AND COMING IN AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? THESE ARE OUR FEARS.
HOW CAN WE CALM THOSE FEARS? WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTH DALLAS, QUEEN CITY THAT HAS A NATIONAL HISTORIC
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DESIGNATION, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, IT NEVER GOT ITS PROPER CITY DESIGNATION.AND SO THEY STARTED HAVING GROWTH, BUT BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING WITH STAFF, WE WERE ABLE TO GO IN AND HELP THEM GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE JUST ABOUT, ABOUT TO GET THEIR, THE FULL HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, WHICH WOULD THEN STOP THE TYPE OF BUILDING THAT IS BEING BUILT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THAT GOES INTO HAVING MORE INTENSE TALKS WITH STAFF, UM, BUT NOT, SO NOT BEING DRIVEN BY FEAR BECAUSE THERE IS A TRUE FEAR THAT WHERE IS THESE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS GOING TO GO AGAIN? UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS A, A AREA THAT YOU LOOK AT AND YOU'RE LIKE, THIS WOULD MAKE SENSE IF WE KNOW THAT WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE GREEDY IF THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE DO NEED THAT ASPECT OF WHERE WE, WHERE THEY, THEY ARE FORCED TO COME SPEAK WITH US ALONG CORRIDORS.
THERE'S AREAS THAT, THAT, THAT CAN LOOK AT THAT.
AND WHEN WE GO TO COMMUNITIES AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT LET OUTSIDE ENTITIES COME IN AND, AND PUT A F FACTOR IN THEM, WE CAN HELP THOSE COMMUNITIES UNDERSTAND THIS MIGHT FIT HERE AND WE'LL NOT, WE WILL NOT HURT YOUR, UM, YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS TYPE OF DENSITY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL, EVEN FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.
BUT THIS DOES, AND THIS IS TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE WHO WILL GET PRICED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE, LOOK, I THINK THAT SOME OF THIS WORK IS NOT SO MUCH A FORWARD DALLAS, BUT THERE IS LANGUAGE.
THE FIRST THING THAT I DID READ OFF WAS THE INFIELD LOT LANGUAGE HAS TO, TO CHANGE BECAUSE IT WILL BECOME HARMFUL FOR AREAS THAT DON'T, THAT ARE, THAT, THAT ARE FACING GENTRIFICATION.
THERE WILL BE, GENTRIFICATION DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BAD IF IT'S DONE RIGHT.
SO THE, I THINK THAT SOME OF THIS IS LANGUAGE NOT, AND THE LANGUAGE, AND THEN GETTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY NOT TO BE DRIVEN BY THEIR OWN FEARS, NOT FOR OUTSIDE ENTITIES TO COME IN AND, AND, AND, AND MISINTERPRET WHAT IS BEING WROTE, BUT THOSE THINGS THAT DO NEED TO BE CLARIFIED, WE CLARIFY THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WRITE, WE GET IT RIGHT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.
BECAUSE YES, THERE ARE AREAS THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE RUN AMOK, AND WHEN THEY'VE RUN AMUCK, IT, IT CAUSES A FER AND IT CHANGES COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE, UH, AREAS WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT AFFORD BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND EVERYBODY FROM AS LONG AS EVEN WHEN I FIRST STARTED, UM, REALLY DIGGING INTO WHAT ZONING LOOKS LIKE, WE THOUGHT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEANT REALLY WHAT IS LATTE AND NOT A COMBINATION OF EVERYONE.
UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE YESTERDAY AND I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS YES, IT'S ONE PART OF IT IS LITECH, BUT I WANT THE, I WANT THE TEACHER, I WANT THE, THE, THE POLICE OFFICER, THE FIREMAN.
I WANT EVERYONE A WORKING CLASS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE ALONG WITH THOSE WITH, WITH HIGHER INCOMES IN ONE AREA.
AND THAT, AND DOING THAT IS, THIS IS NOT JUST AT THE HORSESHOE.
WE HAVE TO BE INTO THE COMMUNITIES AND ENSURING THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE, ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT CAN HAPPEN AND HOW THAT, WHAT TYPE OF PROTECTIONS THEY NEED TO PUT IN PLACE IS THERE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT NEED TO BE WRITTEN IN TO AREAS THAT HAVE PDS.
AND THEN I THINK THAT THIS WILL MAKE SENSE, BUT THERE ARE SOME FEW WORDS THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AND WE NEED TO CLARIFY, ESPECIALLY ON INFIELD LOTS.
AND THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE, THE WHOLE PERSPECTIVE OF, OF THIS PROJECT.
THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, UM, WOOD FORWARD DALLAS, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
LET'S, LET'S TAKE A, A QUICK 15 MINUTE BREAK.
WE HAVE A VERY SPECIAL GUEST HERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY IS HERE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PICK OUR LUNCHES AND COME RIGHT BACK.
COMMISSIONER, IT IS 1:29 PM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
UH, WE ARE BACK ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHETHER TO CHANGE MULTIPLEX FROM A PRIMARY TO A SUPPORTING USE IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE QUESTION IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DECIDING WHETHER IT'S, UM, PRIMARY SUPPORTING IN BOTH SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.
AND, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT MULTIPLEX FITS THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY USE FOR EITHER OF THOSE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES.
IF PRIMARY USE IS DEFINED AS THE MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USE, THAT PLAYS A PIVOTAL ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING A PLACE TYPE.
AND THEN, UM, SECONDARY USE WILL BE THE LESS PREVALENT USE IT SEEMS TO ME.
UH, MULTIPLEX, UH, FOR THOSE TWO PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES, FITS THE SUPPORT OF THE SECONDARY USE DEFINITION BETTER.
I THINK IT'S ESPECIALLY EASY TO SEE FOR SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IF MULTIPLEX IS A PRIMARY USE AND IT'S THE PREVALENT USE THAT PLAYS THE ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING THE PLACE TYPE, UM, TO ME IT WOULD NOT
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BE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL ANYMORE.