May 16, 2024 City Planning Commission

TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 16TH, 2024, 9:14 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAIN COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

AS ALWAYS, THIS IS A TIME FOR, UH, THE BODY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

WE WILL KEEP ALL OUR, UH, COMMENTS FOR, UH, THIS AFTERNOON FOR THE HEARING.

WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET AND BEGIN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT ARE ON CONSENT.

UH, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE, THE THREE ITEMS ARE STILL ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO.

MR. PEPE, YOU'RE READY TO IMPROVISE, SIR, RIGHT? I JUST HAD A FEELING.

YES, YOUR FEELING IS CORRECT.

I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, TO GO RIGHT AHEAD.

FOR 14 OR FEWER CONSECUTIVE DAYS.

AND WE'LL, SO, UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

WE'LL GO TO THE ZONING CONSENT AGENDA, DOCKET COMMISSIONERS.

ITEM NUMBER NINE HAS COME OFF CONSENT.

SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S FIVE THROUGH EIGHT.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH NUMBER FIVE AND MR. PEPE.

OKAY, ITEM FIVE, YOU CAN SEE? YES.

SO THIS IS Z 2 2 3 1 66.

AND THIS IS LOCATED IN OLD EAST DALLAS AREA.

AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOUR 18 FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST USE ON PROPERTIES ZONE SUB AREA THREE WITHIN PD NUMBER 360 2 WITH H SEVEN TWO PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION IN NEIGHBORHOOD.

HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF GASTON AVENUE, SOUTHWEST OF NORTH FITZ HUE.

AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 10,500 SQUARE FEET.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW A BED AND BREAKFAST USE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

HERE IS THIS SITE, THE SURROUNDING USES AS YOU SEE 'EM TODAY.

THERE'S A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AROUND, UH, THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY USE TO THE NORTHEAST, SOUTHWEST, MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTHEAST, UH, FARTHER AND FARTHER TO THE EAST.

THERE'S MORE MULTIFAMILY, A MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTHWEST OFFICE.

SINGLE FAMILY COMBINATION ACROSS GASTON AND IT'S CURRENTLY OCCUPIED WITH THAT BED AND BREAKFAST USE.

NOW BED AND BREAKFAST IS A USE THAT'S UNIQUE TO THIS PD, UH, DEFINITION BEING ONE DWELLING UNIT ON THE LOT, CONTAINING FIVE OR FEWER GUEST ROOMS OR SUITES THAT ARE RUNNING INTO OCCUPANTS

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AND IT WAS APPROVED, THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS APPROVED ON JUNE 9TH, 2021 FOR TWO YEARS.

AND THERE ARE MINOR CHANGES TO SITE PLAN, NO CHANGES TO CONDITIONS BEYOND THE TIME PERIOD.

THERE'S A DEFINITION AGAIN, UM, IT'S A BIT OF AN INTERESTING SUB AREA.

IT ALLOWS, SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS A MIX OF USES, UH, INCLUDING SOME LIGHT COMMERCIAL ONES ON GASTON MULTIFAMILY, AND THEN THIS BED AND BREAKFAST ON THE, UH, WITH THE SUBJECT TO AN SUP ON THIS CORRIDOR.

JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

SO HERE'S THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

IT'S THE NORTH PART OF THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH, HOME TO THE SOUTH, LOOKING ACROSS GASTON.

LOOKING UP GASTON, THERE'S SOME HOME AND OFFICE COMBINATIONS ACROSS THE STREET.

MULTIFAMILY THAT'S A BIT FURTHER UP THE STREET AND CLOSER TO THE RETAIL, IT'S UP THE STREET WITH THE MULTIFAMILY ACROSS THE STREET.

HERE'S THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

APPLICANT HAS UPDATED IT TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO THEY GOT THEIR SUP LAST TIME THEY ESTABLISHED THE USE.

UH, THIS SITE PLAN IS A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY, SO THEY DID PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT.

WHOA, JUST WANTED TO ZOOM IN ON IT.

UM, MAINLY IT CHANGED THE, UH, CONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING AREA IN THE BACK, BUT THEY STILL HAVE THEIR REQUIRED SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE CONDITIONS AND THE PD.

AND AGAIN, NO CHANGES TO THOSE CONDITIONS EXCEPT FOR TIME PERIOD.

AND STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

READY FOR QUESTIONS? OH YEAH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I CAN'T SEE YOU IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.

MR. PEPE, WAS THE, THE PARKING LOT PARKING SPACES, WERE THEY BEING RECONFIGURED OR WERE THEY ADDING TO THE PARKING OR WHAT EXACTLY WAS HAPPENING? THEY'RE MORE RECONFIGURED.

UM, AND I THINK THE SITE PLAN IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE SEP.

I THINK IT LOOKS A LITTLE FUNNY BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND IT, READING THE RESULTS OF THE LAST, UM, THE LAST COUNCIL HEARING THAT THIS ONE IS AT, THEY MIGHT HAVE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF ROOMS AND THAT MIGHT LEAD TO WHY THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES OVER THEIR REQUIREMENT.

UH, KIND OF SHOWN IN RED HERE, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

THEY HAVE LESS ROOMS THAN THAT, SO THEY ACTUALLY JUST HAVE THE SIX PARKING SPACES.

AND SO IT REALLY, IT ALL THE PARKING SPACES ARE ACTUALLY AGAINST THE BACK FENCE, UH, AT THIS TIME AND AS THEY WERE ON THIS PLANE.

BUT THEY, YOU SEE TWO RED ONES ON THE LEFT THERE.

THOSE ARE RECONFIGURED.

THOSE ARE PART OF THE OPEN SPACE, UH, OUTDOOR AREA OF THE, UH, PROPERTY NOW.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT, WHAT WAS CHANGED.

SO DO THEY STILL MEET THEIR REQUIRED PARKING? BUT I ASSUME THAT'S THE HISTORY OF WHY THE SITE PLAN LOOKS A LITTLE ODD.

AND NOW WE'RE IT'S CLEANER NOW.

OR EXCUSE ME, ON PROPERTIES ZONED AND MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT AND AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS? OKAY.

WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT CASE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE JUST REALIZED THAT THERE IS, THERE'S OPPOSITION ON CASE NUMBER EIGHT, SO WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE OFF CONSENT AS WELL.

WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER SIX.

OKAY, NUMBER SIX IS Z 2 2 3 2 9 2.

AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES OWNED AND MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT AND MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT IN AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT.

TWO AND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE ON PROPERTIES OWNED IN MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT.

AND THREE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE ON PROPERTY LOCATED,

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GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST OF HARRY HINES BOULEVARD, SOUTHEAST OF MOCKINGBIRD LANE, AND NORTH ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST LINES OF FOREST PARK ROAD.

IT'S ABOUT 40 ACRES.

AND THE PURPOSE OF REQUEST IS TO ALLOW MODIFIED DEVELOPMENTS IN DEPARTMENT AREA RELATED TO USES, SETBACKS, EXPLOR AREA RATIO, HEIGHT AND PARKING, LANDSCAPING AND DESIGN CENTERS TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH HOSPITAL USES.

IT'S LIKE BENDING OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT AND I COULDN'T GET AIR IN MY LUNGS.

RAISE THIS UP.

UM, SO THE, HERE'S THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE.

IT LOOKS PRETTY DIFFERENT THAN THIS AERIAL VIEW, UM, AS MUCH, MOST OF THE SITE HAS BEEN CLEARED, BUT THIS IS THE AREA OF REQUEST.

UM, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.

NOWADAYS.

THERE WAS MEDICAL TOWERS THERE BEFORE AND SO THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S A, UH, LARGE DETENTION AREA AND ACROSS, THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY, UH, PROPERTY.

UM, THOSE ARE OWNED BY, I THINK BY THE SAME HOSPITAL SYSTEM.

AND THEN THE SOUTH, THERE'S SERVICE PARKING TO THE EAST HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH SOUTH TO DO SOUTH.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTHWEST.

SO SERVICE PARKING ACROSS MOCKINGBIRD TO THE NORTHWEST.

AND THEN TWO, UM, CLINIC USES TO THE, UM, TO ALSO TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST.

AND SO THIS, THIS SPANS ACROSS A COUPLE OF BLOCKS SEPARATED BY A COUPLE STREETS.

UH, ONE OF THOSE STREETS WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE MAIN FACILITY WITH THE SKYBRIDGE.

WE CAN GET TO THAT IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

SO PRIMARILY IT'S MIXED USE TOO.

AND, UM, INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH, AND IT'S MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED.

THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, KIND OF PLANT FACILITY FOR THE HOSPITALS THAT ARE THERE TODAY.

SOME SURFACE PARKING SUPPORTS.

THE HOSPITAL TODAY PROPOSING A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE MAIN USE.

UH, THEY INCLUDE TWO SKY BRIDGES, WHICH PER CODE NEED AUTHORIZATION THROUGH AN SUP ONE PER, AND THEY HAVE THE TWO SKY BRIDGES, ONE IN HARRY HINES, ONE ON FOREST PARK.

UH, THEY ALSO, THOSE THE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, IN CLOSE KEEPING WITH THE STEMMONS U UT SOUTHWEST AREA PLAN.

SO WHY, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT A PD? UH, DESIRED HEIGHT IS NOT REALLY CA UH, YOU'RE NOT REALLY CAPABLE OF HAVING THE, THE DESIRED HEIGHT OR FAR IN A BASE ZONING DISTRICT OUTSIDE THE CENTRAL AREA.

UH, THEY MODIFY THEIR LANDSCAPING TO ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THEIR STRUCTURES, UH, THEY SIMPLIFY THEIR PARKING.

THOSE AREN'T TOOLS THAT EXIST IN THE BASE CODE FOR, IN A GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT.

WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT A PD TODAY.

SO HERE'S THE SITE.

I THINK I'LL TAKE A WALK AROUND.

WE'RE STARTING ON BEAU MAR.

THAT'S THE EXISTING PLANT FACILITY ON THE SITE, MORE THAT EXISTING PLANT.

I UNDERSTAND THE PLANT WILL BE REPLACED, UH, AS WILL THIS SURFACE PARKING WITH A, UH, MORE ADVANCED VERSION OF THOSE.

THEN TURN AROUND LOOKING ON BEAU MAR.

THIS IS KIND OF THE EAST MOST CORNER UNDEVELOPED OF THE SITE WHEN YOU SEE A GARAGE AND HOSPITAL THAT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND THE SUBJECT SIDE'S.

THE OTHER HOSPITAL, ANOTHER UT HOSPITAL, AND WE LOOK SOUTHWEST.

MORE OF THAT.

I'M GONNA GO UP FOREST PARK KINDA THE ENTRANCE TO THE BIG PIT THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW AND TURN THE CORNER ON TREADWAY.

YEP, THAT'S PRIMARY BODY OF THE SITE.

THIS IS TREADWAY STREET THAT I'M ON GOING DOWN TOWARDS HARRY HINES.

UH, QUICK LOOK BACK ACROSS TREADWAY.

THERE IS ONE, UH, PARCEL KIND OF SEPARATED ON THE NORTH SIDE.

THAT BORDER IS MOCKINGBIRD.

THAT'S UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME.

AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THERE.

UM, HERE'S HARRY HINES.

WE'RE TURNING THE CORNER ON HARRY HINES GOING SOUTH.

I DON'T THINK I RISKED MY LIFE ON MOCKINGBIRD AT THIS POINT.

UM, BUT WE ARE AT THE ENTRANCE OF KIND OF THE ENTRANCE, UH, OF WHAT'S CALLED PAUL BASS WAY.

IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVE THAT IS USED TO ACCESS THE OTHER HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH OF UT SOUTHWESTERN HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH.

WE ALSO A COMBINATION KIND OF ENTRANCE FOR THIS HOSPITAL.

NOW WE'RE GONNA TURN AROUND.

HERE'S FOREST PARK, UH, LOOKING NORTHEAST.

THERE'S, UH, NORTHWEST, THERE'S A COUPLE CLINICS THERE.

ANOTHER CLINIC USE LOOKING ACROSS HARRY HINES AT THE, UH, CLEMENTS HOSPITAL DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS ONE.

LOOKING AT THE HOSPITAL THAT'S TO THE SOUTH ACROSS PAUL BASS WAY, LOOKING AT THE, UH, STREET SCAPE THAT IS ON THE, UH, HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTH.

NOW WE CAN SEE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

UH, BASICALLY IT CONCENTRATES THEIR, UM, MAIN PORTION OF

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THE, UH, HOSPITAL IN THE CENTER PART OF THE SITE.

UH, THEY HAVE A VARIED PARKING GARAGE UNDER MUCH OF THIS SITE.

UH, AND THEN THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF FUTURE EXPANSION AREAS OF THE NORTH AND THE SOUTHWEST.

THOSE WILL REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

THEY HAVE THE SAME CONDITIONS AS YOU SEE IN THE DOCKET TODAY, BUT THEY'LL REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED, UH, PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE, OR, UH, EXCEPT IN THE CASE IN WHICH THEY'RE DEVELOPED AS A OPEN SPACE OR PEDESTRIAN TRAIL USE.

HERE'S A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THAT.

YOU CAN SEE, I HOPE, WHERE THE SKY BRIDGES ARE MEANT TO BE.

WE HAVE ONE SKY BRIDGE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE THAT CONNECTS BETWEEN THE, UH, CLIENT'S HOSPITAL AND THIS ONE.

AND THEN THERE'S A SKY BRIDGE KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE ON FOREST PARK THAT CONNECTS TO THEIR BIG, UH, ABOVEGROUND PARKING GARAGE.

AND THE MAIN HOSPITAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS GOT A LOT OF DISTRICTS, UH, BUILT IN AT THE BASE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR PD HAS 40 FOOT SETBACKS ON MOCKINGBIRD OR ON HARRY HINES, 30 ON MOCKINGBIRD, 20 ON FOREST PARK.

NO URBAN FORM SETBACK ON FOREST PARK.

UH, THEY USE THE SIDE YARDS GENERALLY OF MU THREE CYBER TOWER SPACING.

THEY DON'T MODIFY THE UNIT DENSITY.

THEY, THEY NEED THAT ADDITIONAL FAR AND HEIGHT AND THEY'RE LOCKED.

COVERAGE REMAINS THE SAME.

UH, JUST QUICKLY THROUGH THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY HAVE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALKS, UH, SIX FOOT CONNECTION BETWEEN FOREST PARKING AND HARRY HINES KIND OF LATERALLY THROUGH THE SITE.

UH, PATHWAYS FROM THE FRONTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE CUT THROUGH ANY SURFACE PARKING LOTS HAVE TO BE IMPROVED TO A DEGREE, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS.

UH, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTINGS ON THE FRONTAGES AND THE INTERNAL PATHWAY FACADES, UH, MUST HAVE ARCHITECTURAL ENTRANCES AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE ENTRANCES ON THE FACADES.

AND, UM, STREET FURNITURE IS AT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SET OF STREET FURNITURE EVERY 300 FEET, UH, 10% OPEN SPACE PER SITE.

UH, 'CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY MULTIPLE BUILDING SITES, MULTIPLE PARCELS.

UH, BUT THEN THEY NEED TO, SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE PD SATISFY A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE AT GRADE ACCESSIBLE BY THE FRONTAGE.

UH, THERE'S LIMITS ON SURFACE PARKING AND THERE'S REQUIRED PARKING GARAGE SCREENING FOR THAT ONE ABOVE GROUND GARAGE LANDSCAPING, THEY DID REQUEST SOME VARIANCES ON LANDSCAPING.

UH, THERE'S LESS SITE TREES OVERALL PER REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS ARE VERY, VERY LARGE, INCLUDING THE UNDERGROUND GARAGE.

SO THEY DID ASK FOR REDUCTION SITE TREES ON THAT.

UH, THEY'LL HAVE SOME EXEMPTIONS FOR THE SOIL AREAS, UH, WHEN APPROVED BY THE ARBUS BECAUSE OF THAT AREA.

VARIED GARAGE, BUT THAT MEANS THEY CAN HAVE PLANTINGS ON TOP OF IT, UH, TO A DEGREE, UM, EXEMPTION FOR TREE PLANNINGS THAT WE REGULARLY HAVE IN PARKING AREAS.

UH, BUT THOSE ARE EXEMPTED IN THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS AREAS AND STREET BUFFER ZONES, UH, MAY INCREASE IN DEPTH, ESPECIALLY ALONG HARRY HINES ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A DEEPER STREET BUFFER ZONE, MORE PLANE IN THERE.

UM, HAVE MORE ROOM WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR SIDEWALK AND, AND PRESERVE EXISTING TREES THERE, WHICH IS REALLY QUICK.

STAFF FINDS.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SOUTHWEST STEM CORRIDOR OR SOUTHWEST MEDICAL DISTRICT AREA.

PLAN CALLS FOR A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT, MIXED USE, ENCOURAGING A MIX OF USES, NOT JUST THE HOSPITAL, UH, PARTNER REDUCTIONS THROUGH, UH, PARKING MANAGEMENT, LEARNING DEVELOPMENT CONNECTIVITY THROUGH LARGER BLOCKS.

FIND IT MEETS THAT ALL OF THOSE S JUST NEED TO SHOW OFF THE S TWO P SITE PLAN FOR FOREST PARK.

THERE IT IS, CROSSES FOREST PARK TO CONNECT THE PARKING GARAGE IN THE, UH, MAIN HOSPITAL.

LITTLE DOD IN VIEW.

THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE BASE CODE FOR, UM, SKY BRIDGES.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT DETAILED, A LITTLE BIT IN THE REPORT, BUT THEY HAVE TO MEET THOSE.

THERE'S STILL A REQUIREMENT.

THIS IS THE ONE ON HARRY HINES.

HUH? I MENTIONED IT HERE.

SO THEY HAVE DIMENSIONAL LIGHTING AND LOCATIONAL STANDARDS FOR SKY BRIDGES AND THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL OF ONE, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR AN MU THREE MIXED USE MISUSE DISTRICT USES SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLANNING CONDITIONS, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE SKYBRIDGE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

AND THREE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU MR. PEPE.

UH, QUESTIONS FOR MR. PEPE? UM, I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE, UM, I THINK THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN D MAGAZINE, OR AT LEAST ONLINE JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO, UM, ABOUT THE MEDICAL DISTRICT WHERE THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS THE LARGEST HEAT ISLAND IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ANNOUNCING A PROJECT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TEXAS TREES FOUNDATION

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TO GREEN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND INTRODUCE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, PARK AND, AND OTHER FACILITIES IN THERE.

I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP THAT TTF PUT OUT.

DO YOU KNOW IF THIS SITE IS, IS COVERED BY THAT GREENING PLAN OR DOES IT FALL OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF IT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S THE NORTHWEST MOST POINT OF THAT PLANT, SO IT IS INCLUDED IN IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

IT'S THE KIND OF THE TAIL END AT MOCKINGBIRD.

AND I MEAN, HAVE THEY DONE MUCH HERE TO SORT OF GREEN THIS PART OR WITH CONSIDERING THE SIGNIFICANT BUILDING FOOTPRINT HERE, IS IT, IS THE, UH, REDUCTION OF, WELL, I GUESS THERE'S NOT MUCH SERVICE PARKING HERE, RIGHT? IS THERE ANY SERVICE PARKING ALLOWED ON THE SITE? THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE SERVICE PARKING AND MAINLY THAT IS GONNA BE THE EMERGENCY AREA, BUT PER BUILDING SITE, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIMITED TO 10% OF THE BUILDING SITE CAN BE SURFACE PARKING.

AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, SURFACE PARKING SET BACK MORE THAN 30 FEET FROM THOSE PUBLIC STREETS.

THERE'S, IT'S NOT IN DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SHOWS EVERY SINGLE PARKING SPACE ON THERE, BUT WE HAVE THOSE CODE LIMITS IN THERE.

UM, AND SO THERE ARE OTHER MEANS, LIKE WE SAID, TO ENCOURAGE THE BURIED PARKING PLANTING ON TOP OF THAT GARAGE.

AND OF COURSE, SHARED PARKING, UH, TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO DISCOURAGE OVER PARKING BY REDUCING THE REQUIRED MINIMUMS. SO THIS GOES FORWARD AS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE SITE OCCUPIED BY SERVICE PARKING LIKELY TO DECREASE OH, OVER THE, OVER WHAT IT WAS.

NOW IT'S A BIG PIT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS SURE.

A COUPLE YEARS AGO IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE THE ERROR.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THAT COMPLIANCE WITH THAT 10% IN THE OLD CONFIGURATION.

SO YES, IT WOULD GET SIGNIFICANTLY GREENER IN THAT REGARD AND HAVE A CAP ON WHAT IT CAN BE.

UH, AND THE, UH, STREET BUFFER INCREASE, UH, LEAVES ROOM FOR THAT TREES PROJECT THERE.

UH, WHEN IT DOES COME THROUGH HERE AND WE HAVE AN ENHANCED, UM, TREE PRESERVATION OR AT LEAST INCENTIVES FOR TREE PRESERVATION ON HARRY HINES.

SO, WHICH IS THE MAIN PART WHERE THEIR TREE, WHERE THEIR TREES REMAIN IN PLACE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. PEPE.

UH, COLLEAGUES, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PEPE? MR. MR. HALL, COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. PEPE? THERE, THERE ARE TWO SKY BRIDGES, CORRECT? YOU GOT IT.

ONE ON HARRY HINES AND ONE ON FOREST PARK, ONE GOING OVER HARRY HINES AND ONE GOING OVER FOREST PARK.

YEAH, HARRY HINES ONE WOULD CONNECT TO THE CLEMENTS HOSPITAL.

I UNDERSTAND YOU MEAN MAINLY FOR, PRIMARILY TRANSPORTING PATIENTS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES AND CLIMATES, FACILITIES AND, UH, THIS BUILDING AS WELL AS DOCTORS.

UH, WHEREAS ON THE OTHER ONE CONNECTS TO WELL AND A GARAGE AND IT CONNECTS OVER FOREST PARK DIRECTLY INTO THIS BUILDING.

SO THAT'S THE TWO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, JUST A QUICK ONE.

UM, SO CLEMENTS IS A NEW HOSPITAL, FAIRLY NEW TO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS CONNECTING IT TO THE REST OF THE UT SOUTHWESTERN CAMPUS.

IS THAT ACCURATE? YES.

I MEAN, CLAIMANTS IS THERE.

WE CONNECT TO SKYBRIDGE THAT KIND OF HAVE A PRETTY BIG CONTINUOUS CONNECTION.

THIS ONE, UNLIKE THE OTHER PROPERTIES, DOESN'T NEED REZONING, UH, 'CAUSE NOT A STATE FACILITY, BUT THE OTHER ONE'S, UH, BUILT OUT ON WITHOUT THE ZONING ON THE SOUTH PART.

BUT WE, WE DO OBVIOUSLY CONNECT DIRECTLY TO THAT THROUGH THIS.

UM, AND THEN THEY WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION ALONG PAUL BASS WAY WOULD GET US GET PEOPLE THROUGH THE SITE FROM ONE SIDE TO ANOTHER.

AND THAT BORDERS ON THE KIND OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY BORDERS, THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME.

I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THE NAME OF THE HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTHEAST, UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HARRY HINES.

BUT SO THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A PRETTY EXPANSIVE SKY NETWORK THAT WORKS FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND THE STAFF MEMBERS AND THE PATIENTS, YES.

GOING FROM ONE HOSPITAL TO THE OTHER, WILL THIS ONE BE AS WIDE AS THE OTHER ONES THAT EXIST WHERE LIKE THEIR SMALL BUSES GO ACROSS THEM? IT'S, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S NOT THE, UH, LITTLE BUS WAY WITH WHERE THE SHUTTLES AND, AND STUFF AROUND.

IT'S NOT A WELL, SO PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE HAS TO BE BY NATURE OF BEING PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE, IT HAS TO BE A PEDESTRIAN SKY BRIDGE.

IT CAN'T BE FOR, PRIMARILY FOR MOTOR VEHICLES.

THAT ONE IS EXCLUDED BY THE CODE.

SO BY THIS IT'S MO GOT TO BE PRIMARILY WELCOME.

ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ONLINE EITHER.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. PEPE.

WE ARE ON TO ITEM SEVEN, MR. BATE.

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THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 54.

IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE IN KNOXVILLE STREET NORTH OF BRATTLE WOOD DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 6.55 ACRES IN SIZE HERE.

WE SEE IT DOWN IN THE SOUTHWESTERN AREA OF THE CITY COUNTY NEAR CORO HILL.

UH, THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING SITE, UH, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED HAS A CHURCH ON IT.

UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT'S A PRETTY LARGE SITE.

UH, THE ZONING MAP, AGAIN, THE SUBJECT SITE HIGHLIGHTED, THERE'S THE EXISTING CHURCH ON THAT SITE.

AND THEN TO THE WEST IS A, UH, CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH THE MEDICAL CLINIC DEVELOPED TO THE NORTH IS A JUNIOR COLLEGE AND AN R 7.5 A DISTRICT, AND IT HAS AN SUP FOR THAT JUNIOR COLLEGE TO THE EAST IS SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS PD 4 2 0, WHICH HAS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, I BELIEVE BOTH ATTACHED AND DETACHED HOUSING DOWN THERE.

THE APPLICANT TENDS TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY ON THE SITE, AND IN ORDER TO DO SO, THEY REQUEST THE MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT.

THESE ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS.

THIS IS ALONG OR ON WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE LOOKING EAST WITH THE SUBJECT SITE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PHOTO.

AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF TAKE A TOUR DOWN HERE AS A WALK DOWN.

UH, WALK DOWN WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE, WE CAN SEE THAT GENERALLY IT'S, AGAIN, LARGE SITE CURRENTLY HAS THIS BIG PARKING LOT FOR CHURCH HERE WE SEE THAT MEDICAL FACILITY THAT IS TO THE WEST OF THE SITE AND LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS THE CAMPUS OF THE JUNIOR COLLEGE AND TO THE NORTHEAST, THEN TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE, STILL ALONG WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE.

AND AS WE MEANDER ON DOWN TOWARDS KNOXVILLE STREET, AGAIN, WE GET AN IDEA OF KIND OF THE SIZE OF THESE, UH, THOROUGH AFFAIRS HERE, LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE AND THEN LOOKING AT THE SITE AND THEN GOING DOWN KNOXVILLE STREET AGAIN, JUST GETTING A GOOD VIEW OF THIS SITE OVERALL.

LOOKING EAST, THAT'S WHERE THAT SINGLE FAMILY IN THE R 7.58 DISTRICT IS, AND TO THE WEST, THEN TO THE EAST WITH MORE SINGLE FAMILY SOUTHEAST AND LOOKING SOUTH AND TO THE SOUTHWEST.

UM, IT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR WITH THIS PHOTO, BUT PART OF THE FIELD THERE THAT YOU SEE BEHIND A FENCE, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.

AND THEN IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE PHOTO, YOU SEE, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES FROM, UH, PD 4, 2 0, AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS APPROVAL.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A COUPLE.

YES SIR.

I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES IN FRONT OF ME.

NO, UM, HONESTLY, UM, SO THE, THERE, THERE, YOU MENTIONED THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS THAT ABUT THAT FIELD, UM, ALONG, ALSO ALONG KNOXVILLE.

SEVERAL STREETS WILL BE APPROACHING THIS SITE.

HAVE THEY TALKED ABOUT A TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND ALLOWING THESE RESIDENTS IN THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE ABILITY TO GET IN AND OUTTA THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS? UH, THEY HAVE NOT BROUGHT THAT UP DURING, UM, ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH ME.

UH, WITH THESE GENERAL ZONING CHANGES, IT'S OFTEN JUST, IT CAN BE PRETTY HIGH LEVEL IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY PRESENT.

UH, CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION TO BRING UP FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, AT THE HEARING TODAY, UH, JUST TO GET A BETTER IDEA.

BUT AGAIN, WITH THESE ZONING CHANGES, IT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS HIGH LEVEL.

AND I I DID LOOK AT YOUR PRESENT, UM, THE CASE REPORT AND, UM, ON THE BACKSIDE WHERE THOSE SINGLE FAMILY KIND OF TWO STORY TOWN, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE, UM, WILL THAT AFFECT THE HEIGHT OF THOSE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK OR IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THERE? YES.

SO THE, IT'S WORTH NOTING THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME, THE MF ONE DISTRICT HAS THE SAME MAX HEIGHT AS THE PD 4, 2 0 OF 36 FEET.

UH, BUT IN THE MF ONE DISTRICT, YOU ALSO HAVE THE RRP S OR RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE REQUIREMENT.

UH, WHICH IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS KINDA HARD TO EXPLAIN IT VERBALLY.

IT WORKS BETTER VISUALLY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS, UH, FOR THE FIRST 78 FEET IN PROXIMITY TO THAT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, NOTHING CAN BE HIGHER THAN 26 FEET.

YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE AN INVISIBLE LINE GOING OUT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THAT EXTENDS, UH, TWO INFINITY IS A ONE TO THREE RATIO.

SO IF THAT FIRST 78 FEET, THEY CAN'T BE MORE THAN 26 FEET HIGH.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, EVERY THREE FEET OF DISTANCE YOU GET AN EXTRA FOOT.

GOTCHA.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, UM, UNITS THEY'RE PROPOSING? I DO NOT.

I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER IS FOR THAT.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

? YEAH, JUST GOING BACK TO THE TRAFFIC QUESTION REAL QUICK.

I KNOW THAT IN CERTAIN ZONING CASES, IF, IF IT'S OF A CERTAIN, IF IT'S ESTIMATED TO GENERATE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT APPLICANT HAS TO PROVIDE A TRAFFIC STUDY,

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IT IS, UH, 1000 TRIPS.

AND LET ME CHECK MY APPLICATION HERE REAL QUICK.

WAS THAT TRIGGERED TODAY? UH, ON, ON THIS CASE OR NOT? I MEAN, IT'S MF ONE AND SIX-ISH ACRES.

I'M PULLING UP THE, IT COMES IN A LITTLE RIGHT BELOW THAT TRIGGER.

UM, SO GIVEN HERE, THEY DID MENTION, SO THEY DID MENTION 140 DWELLING UNITS IN THE, UM, IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WORKSHEET OR THE TRIP GENERATION WORKSHEET, UH, WHICH WOULD BE 980 TRIPS, SO 20 TRIPS BELOW THAT THRESHOLD.

UH, BUT DURING OUR REVIEW WITH ZRT OR ZONING REVIEW TEAM, UH, ENGINEERING DID NOT RAISE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.

GREAT.

COMMISSIONER HALL? THE, UH, CHURCH IS VACANT.

IT'S NOT BEING USED ANYMORE? I BELIEVE SO, YES.

AND IT IT'S BASICALLY SURROUNDED BY PARKING, PARKING SPACES? CORRECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL KEEP GOING.

THE NEXT ITEM COMMISSIONERS HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT.

WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, SO WE'LL BE DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY.

UH, THIS IS CASE, UH, Z 2 34 DASH 1 68.

IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CEMETERY ON PROPERTY ZONED IR AND INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SOUTH SHERMAN STREET, EAST OF TI BOULEVARD.

APPROXIMATELY SIX ACRES IN SIZE.

UH, WE SEE IT HERE, KIND OF THE NORTH, UH, FAR NORTH SECTION OF THE CITY, RIGHT BY THE STATE LIMITS WITH RICHARDSON.

UH, IS THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, KIND OF A INTERESTING LOOKING LOT AND SHAPE? UH, MOSTLY, UH, INDUSTRIAL LOOKING FACILITIES, A LOT OF SORT OF WAREHOUSES.

AND THEN TO THE WEST IS THE, UH, RESTON CEMETERY THAT'S PART OF, UH, CITY OF RICHARDSON.

AND HERE'S THE ZONING MAP AGAIN, SHOWING KIND OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

YOU ARE NEXT TO THE CITY OF RICHARDSON WITH A CEMETERY IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.

UH, TO THE NORTH IS A VARIETY OF OFFICE BUILDINGS.

AND THEN TO THE WEST ARE A VARIETY OF THESE INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, SUCH AS AUTO SERVICE CENTERS AND OFFICE SHOWROOMS AND WAREHOUSES.

AND THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

UH, THE APPLICANT TENDS TO BUILD A CEMETERY ON THE SITE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.

THEY'RE REQUESTING AN SUP, UH, AS SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS AS TO PERHAPS WHY YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A CEMETERY COME BEFORE THIS BODY BEFORE, UH, THE NUMBER OF CEMETERIES AND CITY LIMITS WAS PREVIOUSLY LIMITED BY BOTH CITY CODE AS WELL AS UH, STATE LAWS.

UH, BUT LAST YEAR THE STATE LEGISLATURE ENACTED AND WAS SIGNED INTO LAW HB 7 83, WHICH ALLOWS PEOPLE TO FILE APPLICATIONS TO OPEN A CEMETERY WITHIN CITY LIMITS.

AND OTHERWISE, SOME CEMETERIES ARE GENERALLY CONTROLLED BY CHAPTER 11 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.

UH, SO WITH THAT STATE LAW WHEN IT PASSED, UH, THE CITY DETERMINED THAT OUR SUP PROCESS FOR CEMETERIES, WHICH WERE ALREADY LISTED AS A USE THAT REQUIRES AN SUP, UH, WOULD SUFFICE AS THE NECESSARY APPLICATION FOR THESE THINGS.

SO ON SITE, LOOKING AT THE, UH, LOOKING AT THE SITE, UH, THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO SEE.

THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF FENCING UP RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS ON SOUTH SHERMAN, SOUTH SHERMAN STREET, LOOKING SOUTH OF THE SITE, UH, LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE SITE.

UH, IT'S THERE IN THE FOREGROUND AND BACKGROUND TO THE WEST.

AND THEN ON SITE OR ON, SO SHERMAN STREET, LOOKING SOUTHWEST TOWARDS THE SITE, AGAIN, THEY'VE GOT THAT FENCING AROUND IT LOOKING WEST, AND THEN LOOKING NORTH ACROSS THE WAY AT SOME OF THOSE OFFICES THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE ZONING MAP.

AND THEN ON SOUTH SHERMAN LOOKING NORTHWEST AND THEN SOUTH SHERMAN LOOKING EAST, UH, HERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PHOTO, THAT IS THE CURRENTLY THE MAIN INGRESS, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE SITE AND LOOKING EAST.

UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ALL THE DETAILS THERE, BUT, UH, THEY DO HAVE ALL THE PLOTS LISTED OUT AS WELL AS A AREA FOR A GENERAL AREA FOR BUILDING A SORT OF PAVILION, UH, AS WELL AS A RESTROOM AND THREE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PROVIDED.

AND THEN THIS IS IN DETAIL AND ROTATED JUST SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT A LITTLE BETTER.

UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS WOULD BE FROM SOUTH SHERMAN STREET ONLY.

UH, THERE IS A PRIVACY FENCE PROPOSED ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE HERE.

NOW, THESE ARE THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

IT WOULD BE THE CEMETERY AND, UH, IT WOULD HAVE A PERMANENT, UH, PERMANENT TIMELINE OR TIME LIMIT AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS

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APPROVAL QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER, MR. BAT, WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR THE, UH, PROHIBITION OF NEW CEMETERIES? I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS FOR THE PROHIBITION OF CEMETERIES.

UM, I, I COULD MAKE EDUCATED GUESSES, BUT I DO NOT KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND WHY THE CITY CHOSE TO LIMIT THE, UH, CREATION OF NEW CEMETERIES.

UH, THE, THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COMES FROM BACK IN THE EARLY 1940S.

UM, BUT REGARDLESS AT THIS POINT, IT'S BEEN SUPERSEDED BY THE STATE LAW.

YES, THE STATE LAW DOES REQUIRE THE, THE CITY AT LEAST ENTERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR, UH, FOR CEMETERIES.

THEY CAN'T JUST HAVE A BLANKET RESTRICTION ON THE ESTABLISHMENT.

UH, WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS, UM, REGARDING SOME SITE CONSTRAINTS, CHALLENGES HERE.

I MEAN, FLOODING, DRAINAGE AREA.

AND THEN THERE WERE SOME ALLUDING TO SOME LEGAL TRUSTEESHIP ISSUES.

BUT THOSE ISSUES ARE BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A LAND USE DECISION IF THERE ARE FLOODING OR DRAINAGE ISSUES AFFECTING THIS PROPERTY THAT MAKE IT UNSUITABLE FOR A CEMETERY, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT BY ENGINEERING AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, CORRECT? CORRECT.

UH, WE DID NOT HEAR ANY CONCERNS FROM ENGINEERING AT OUR INITIAL ZONING REVIEW.

TEAM REVIEWS IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS THAT WOULD COME UP AT PERMITTING AND THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS THOSE BEFORE, UH, RECEIVING A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT OR A CO.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

UM, MR. BATE, YOU AND I ARE GONNA LEARN ABOUT CEMETERIES TOGETHER ON THIS ONE, AREN'T WE? UH, UM, JUST A FEW, A FEW QUESTIONS THAT, THAT MAY, MAY HELP THE COMMISSIONERS.

UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, THERE IS A, UM, ISLAMIC SECTION IN THE RESTING CEMETERY NEXT DOOR THAT IS VIRTUALLY FULL, AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT THIS APPLICATION IS SEEKING TO CREATE MORE SPACE FOR THAT, THAT COMMUNITY? I AM, YES.

THE APPLICANT DISCUSSED THAT WITH ME EARLIER THIS WEEK.

UM, YOU AND I DISCUSSED THE PARKING SITUATION.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN OR JUST CONFIRM THAT THE PARKING SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN MEETS CODE MINIMUM FOR THIS FACILITY? IT DOES, YES.

THE CODE MINIMUM, AS I RECALL IT, IS TWO, UH, TWO PARKING SPACES FOR A CEMETERY.

THEY ARE PROVIDING THREE.

UM, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED, I GUESS, THE DEDICATED PARKING SPACES, THERE WOULD BE SOME AMOUNT OF ABILITY FOR CARS TO LINE UP IN A PROCESSION ALONG THE DRIVEWAYS AS WELL AS TEMPORARY MEASURES, I BELIEVE.

AND, AND YOU AND I DISCUSSED POSSIBLY, UM, WIDENING ONE OF THE DRIVES TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE PARALLEL PARKING TO GET SOME MORE, MORE CARS ON SITE.

I, THE STAFF WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THAT.

AND THEN, UM, DID WE GET ANY CLARITY ON HOW TO SECURE THE SITE AFTER HOURS, LIKE FENCING, GATE GATES, ET CETERA? I DID CHECK THE CHAPTER 11 REQUIREMENTS.

THERE'S NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN THERE FOR FENCING OR GATES AND SUCH.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP TO BOTH THE APPLICANT AND PERHAPS HIS BODY TO DISCUSS, UH, AT THE HEAR AT THE HEARING.

UH, LOOKING AT QUICKLY, I PULLED UP ON STREET VIEW.

I JUST STARTED LOOKING AT SOME CEMETERIES, THE RESTYLANE CEMETERY IN RICHARDSON.

IT HAS A VARIETY OF ACCESS ROADS THAT, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, ARE NOT GATED.

IT'S SIMPLY OPEN ACCESS.

AND PRESUMABLY THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON THE HOURS OF WHEN ONE CAN ACTUALLY VISIT.

UH, THERE ARE ALSO SOME CEMETERIES IN DALLAS THAT ARE FENCED OFF AND GATED.

UH, SO CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE A ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.

, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A PARTICULARLY APPROPRIATE, UM, ON A SITE THAT HAS REALLY NO VISUAL SURVEILLANCE FROM THE STREET.

WOULD YOU AGREE? I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

HOUSEWRIGHT, THE TRUSTEE IS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE TRUST.

UM, AND LASTLY, I THINK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER RAISED AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THE, THE, UH, SOME OF THE CONFLICT AMONG THE BENEFICIARIES OF THE TRUST, UM, WHO MAY ACTUALLY COME AND SPEAK TODAY.

UM, IS THAT IN THAT ISSUE, INDEED, OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, I UNDERSTAND THE ENGINEERING CERTAINLY IS, BUT UM, IF WE HAVE SPEAKERS TODAY THAT, THAT RAISE THIS CONFLICT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER OR NOT? I WOULD CERTAINLY DEFER TO MR. MOORE ON PERHAPS THE MOST AUTHORITATIVE ANSWER, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHOEVER'S LISTED AS THE OWNER OF THE LAND ON THE WARRANTY DEED FOR THE SITE, IN THIS CASE, IT IS THE TRUST AND A SPECIFIC TRUSTEE.

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO AUTHORIZE AN APPLICANT TO REQUEST A ZONING CHANGE.

WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION FROM THAT DESIGNATED, DESIGNATED DESIGNEE, UH, AUTHORIZING THE APPLICANT TO DO SO.

IF THEIR TRUST HAS SOME SORT OF INTERNAL RULES REGARDING HOW THEY COME TO DECISIONS AND CONSENSUS AROUND DECISIONS AROUND LAND AND WHATNOT, THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S FOR THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY.

BUT AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER TO MR. MOORE FOR AUTHORITATIVE ANSWER ON THAT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

COMMISSIONER

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TRUST CAN BE REVOCABLE OR IRREVOCABLE OF BENEFICIARY, WOULDN'T BE SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN OWNER, WOULD BE THE TRUST AND THE TRUSTEE IS THE ADMINISTER OF THAT, UM, ESTATE.

UH, MR. MOORE, IF WE HAVE SPEAKERS TODAY THAT, UM, ARE SPEAKING ON THIS ISSUE, CAN WE INQUIRE OR, OR HAVE THEM STATE THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE TRUST? I SUPPOSE WE COULD, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER CHAPTER, WHAT IS IT? 4.701 SAYS THAT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY HAVE TO SIGN THE APPLICATION IN THIS CASE.

THAT'S THE TRUST.

AND THE TRUST TRUSTEE IS THE ADMINISTER OF THAT TRUST.

SO THAT PROVISION OF THE CODE IS SATISFIED BY VIRTUE OF BEING THE TRUSTEE.

THANKS CHAIR RUBIN? YEAH, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

UH, FIRST OFF, MR. BATE, I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD EXPLANATION, UM, ON THE TRUST PARTY BEFORE WE GOT TO, UM, MR. MOORE.

SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP, IF YOU KNOW, EVERY OWNER OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES NEED TO CONSENT TO A REZONING APPLICATION UNLESS IT'S AN AUTHORIZED HEARING, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND IF THERE WERE SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER A OWNER OR A CO-OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAD CONSENTED TO A, A ZONING APPLICATION, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT EITHER THE CITY WOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSED THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE INTERNALLY, OR SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY THE PLAN COMMISSION COULD TAKE UP AND, AND CONSIDER, RIGHT? SORRY, COULD YOU SAY KINDA THE LAST BIT OF THAT QUESTION JUST TO YEAH.

SO I MEAN, THE QUESTION OF WHETHER A ZONING APPLICATION HAS THE PROPER AUTHORIZATION MM-HMM.

FROM THE OWNERS IS SOMETHING THAT EITHER THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR THIS BODY COULD LOOK INTO.

I BELIEVE SO.

AND IT'S JUST IN THIS SITUATION, SINCE IT'S OWNED BY A TRUST, WE LOOK AT THE TRUSTEE ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

AND THAT'S AS FAR AS IT GOES, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND I'LL JUST NOTE THAT THE, ON THE WARRANTY DEED, IT MENTIONS IT IS AS THE TRUST AND THEN A SPECIFIC PERSON NAMED AS A TRUSTEE, ONLY ONE PERSON, AND THAT'S THE PERSON THAT SIGNED THE LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT ALVA, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK.

UM, SO, UM, GREAT CONVERSATION.

GREAT DISCUSSION.

UM, WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UM, IN THE LAND USE THAT, THAT, UH, CEMETERY SOMETIMES GO UNMANAGED FOR WHATEVER REASON.

SOMEONE PASSES AWAY, THE TRUST GOES AWAY.

SOME, UM, ARE IN THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS VERY UNIQUE AND NEW, HAVE, ARE THOSE THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS CITY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION CORRECTLY.

UH, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, SHOULD WE CONSIDER WHETHER THE, I GUESS THE LONGEVITY OF, SHOULD WE CONSIDER THE LONGEVITY OF THE PROPOSED USE IN TERMS HOW LONG THE LONGEVITY, THE LONG, UH, THE MAINTENANCE, THE CARE? SURE.

UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE CITY'S TAKING OVER CEMETERIES.

THE CITY'S NOT TAKING CARE OF CEMETERIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF PARTICULARS.

UH, OAKLAND CEMETERY SET VACANT AND ABANDONED FOR YEARS BEFORE THEY HAD A REVIVAL OF PEOPLE TAKING OVER IT.

SO LIKE, HOW DO WE PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS IN, IN THIS CASE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE BODY THAT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY IS SUITABLE FOR A CEMETERY, NOT WHETHER OR NOT THE OPERATOR IS SUITABLE OR, UH, HAS THE MANAGE MANAGERIAL SKILLS TO OPERATE THE CEMETERY.

EVEN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUP ON THE SITE? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE IS SUITABLE FOR A CEMETERY.

DEMAND FOR CEMETERIES AND FOR BURIAL PLOTS AND SUCH.

MR. SCHOCK, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR IN THE, IN THE REPORT, UH, UNDER ECONOMIC ELEMENT, YOU CITE GOAL 2.1, PROMOTE BALANCE GROWTH, AND IT SAYS, ENSURE THAT THE ZONING IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO RESPOND TO CHANGING ECONOMIC CONDITIONS.

I'M NOT CLEAR HOW THAT APPLIES.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN MORE HOW THAT APPLIES TO THIS? CERTAINLY, UH, THE APPLICANT I THINK COULD PROVIDE EVEN BETTER, UM, INPUT ON THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOES ON HERE IS THAT CEMETERIES ARE A, A SERVICE, YOU COULD SAY THEY'RE PRODUCT, THEY'RE CERTAINLY A, A SA YOU COULD SAY A SACRED THING, BUT THEY ARE A PRODUCT WHERE THERE IS DEMAND FOR THEM.

AND AS THE CITY GROWS AND AS PEOPLE AGE OUT, THERE'S, THERE'S INCREASED

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UH, BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT BY CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE A ZONING APPLICATION OR AN SUP IN THIS CASE FOR A CEMETERY, UH, IN OUR VIEW IS RESPONDING TO ECONOMIC CONDITIONS.

IN THIS CASE, THERE'S AN INCREASED DEMAND, THERE'S SOMEONE WILLING TO PROVIDE THE SUPPLY FOR IT.

AND BY ISSUING THIS SUP, IT IS IN RESPONSE TO THOSE CONDITIONS.

COMMISSIONER, UH, BLAIR FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HALL.

I FIND THIS ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING.

UM, AND I APPLAUD YOU GUYS FOR HAVING THE FORTITUDE TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUT MY QUESTION IS, FROM A SUP PERSPECTIVE AND A LAND USE PERS, I KNOW YOU ARE WATCHING ME, DANIEL, AND A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UM, A SUP HAS A TIME LIMIT.

WE, WE USUALLY PUT A TIME LIMIT ON THIS.

ARE WE PUTTING A TIME LIMIT ON THIS ONE, OR IS THIS A PERMANENT SUP? BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A PER CEMETERY ON PROPERTY ZONE IR RIGHT? YES.

AND WE WOULD BE THE, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR PERMANENT SUP UH, PERMANENT TIME LIMIT.

INTERESTING.

QUITE FASCINATING.

WE BURY THE BODY OR IN, IN TEXAS? IS, IS, IS IT DIFFERENT? SO THAT, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU GET A PROPERTY INTEREST IN THE PLOT ONCE YOU PURCHASE IT.

AND THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, IF THERE IS A, THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROCESS WHERE WE CAN REVOKE AN SUP, OOH, QUITE FASCINATING.

UM, HOW DO WE, HOW AND, AND HOW DO WE MANAGE TO THE ZONING OF THIS PARTICULAR USE AND HOW DO WE MANAGE TO THE LONGEVITY OF THIS PARTICULAR USE, DANIEL, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS, HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT HAS, HAS DUG THROUGH, 'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S VERY THOROUGH.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING HE'S DUG THROUGH AND COME UP WITH AN ANSWER.

CERTAINLY.

UH, SO I THINK I'LL, I'LL TRY TO PROVIDE A, A ANSWER MORE.

SO FROM THE ZONING AND LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UH, IT'S WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT'S I THINK BEING ASKED TO THE BODIES TO CONSIDER WHETHER THIS MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A SET ASIDE, A PART OF A PART OF THE CITY, PART OF THIS LAND TO SERVE AS A CEMETERY FOR, UH, IN PERPETUITY? THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT IS GENERALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A CEMETERY, IT WILL EXIST FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS, THERE'S MUCH STRONGER PROTECTIONS FOR CEMETERIES COMPARED TO, UH, IN THE PAST, I THOUGHT, UH, WE ALL KNOW OF VARIOUS BURIAL GROUNDS OR SITES THAT WERE OFTEN DESECRATED THAT SOMEONE BUILDS OVER.

UH, SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

UM, IN TERMS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND IN TERMS OF STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THIS, WE LOOK AT IT AS, AS A SMALL SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY ADJACENT TO A CEMETERY.

SO THAT MAKES IT APPROPRIATE FOR BEING, UH, BEING THERE.

UH, IT IS NOT A MAJOR DEDICATION OF LAND.

THERE'S EVEN SORT OF THE, JUST THE WAY THE LOT IS CURRENTLY PLANTED OUT THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE HARD TO FIND MANY OTHER USES FOR IT CURRENTLY.

UM, AND THAT IN, IN PERPETUITY, SHOULD THIS AREA EVER CHANGE, SHOULD THERE, FOR INSTANCE, BE A ZONING CHANGE, AN AUTHORIZED HEARING, OR SOME SUCH THAT WERE TO CHANGE THIS? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST BE CONSIDERED, I THINK AS PART OF THE LONG RANGE PLANNING IS THEY WOULD LOOK AT THIS AREA AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S A PERMANENT SEP FOR A CEMETERY HERE.

SO IN TERMS OF THOSE LONG RANGE CONSIDERATIONS AND PLANS, THEY WOULD PROBABLY FIND SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR BEING AROUND THE, THE CEMETERY.

AND JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ONCE A BODY IS BURIED, IT CAN ONLY BE EXHUMED BY COURT ORDER.

SO IF THIS BODY WERE TO PUT A LIMITATION, A TIME LIMITATION ON THAT SUP, IT'S NOT LIKE IF THAT SUP EXPIRED 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE WOULD REMOVE THE BODIES.

I THINK WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS YOU JUST CAN'T BURY ANYONE NEW IN THE CEMETERY.

UM, ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, AND, AND, AND I KNOW THIS IS OFF TOPIC, BUT CAN YOU GIVE ME THIS, UM, WHEN YOU BURY A BODY, THE, DOESN'T THE FAMILY OWN THAT PLA THAT PLAT OF LAND THAT

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SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO LAND USE.

UM, AND STRICTLY LAND USE, I NOTICED THERE'S A RAILROAD TRACK THAT IS THAT ABUT CYSTS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE OTHER.

IS THERE ANY PLANS? ARE, ARE THESE THE SAME? IS THIS THE, IS IT JUST THE SAME USE OR IS IT THE SAME? IS IT AN EXTENSION OF THE, THE EXISTING, UM, CEMETERY? IT IS, UH, THE SAME, WELL, I WOULD SAY THE SAME USE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON.

I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY HOW THEY DEFINE THEIR USES, BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE A DUCK, THEY'RE BOTH CEMETERIES.

BUT THIS IS NOT AN EXTENSION OF RESTAND AS FAR AS I KNOW.

THIS IS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL, SO THIS IS A NEW ONE.

JUST, IT'S JUST BEING, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CEMETERY ONE AND CEMETERY TWO FOR, FOR LACK OF BETTER OF DESCRIPTION.

AND IT, IT HAS THE, THE, THE UNION PACIFIC RAIL THAT, THAT SEPARATES THE TWO.

AND, AND THE, THE EGRESS AND INGRESS IS COMING FROM SHERMAN.

SO FASCINATING.

ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING.

COMMISSIONER HALL HOUSEWIFE HERBERT.

WELL, COMMISSIONER BLAIR SORT OF GOT TO WHERE I WAS GONNA GO.

UH, THAT THERE, THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS IS VIA SHERMAN STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S A DART.

IS THAT A DART RAIL LINE THAT'S, UH, THERE OR IS THAT A, A COMMERCIAL RAIL LINE? I SEE MICHAEL NODDING.

HIS HEADED IS DART.

IT'S DART, OKAY.

SO THE NICE, THE ONLY ACCESS WOULD BE A SHERMAN STREET? YES.

AND IT'S A VERY LONG, NARROW, SKINNY PROPERTY.

THERE WOULD NOT BE ACCESS ANYWHERE ELSE? UH, NO, THERE WOULD NOT BE ACCESS ANYWHERE ELSE.

COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT.

UH, MR. BATE, COULD IT BE THAT YOUR, UH, COMFORT LEVEL WITH A PERMANENT SUP, UH, HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THE SITE HAS REMAINED UNDEVELOPED FOR SEVERAL DECADES, UH, HAS A VERY IRREGULAR SHAPE AND VERY LIMITED VISIBILITY AND ACCESS, MAKING IT NOT PARTICULARLY VIABLE FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, ALTHOUGH IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, BUT, UM, NOT TO LEAD YOU TOO MUCH, BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE REASON WHY.

THOSE WOULD ALL BE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS THAT LOOK FAVORABLY UPON A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD FOR THIS AMONG AND, AND PRACTICAL CONCERNS AS WELL.

COULD YOUR POINT OF VIEW ALSO HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN A NUISANCE PROPERTY WITH A LOT OF TRASH AND DUMPING ON THE SITE, AS WELL AS, UM, UH, HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS? THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS PART OF THE, UH, ANALYSIS, BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL AS THE OKAY.

CURRENT STATE.

STATE.

SO WOULD YOU AGREE THAT A PERMANENT SUP BY A A USE THAT, UH, WOULD BE COMMITTED TO TAKING CARE OF THE GROUNDS COULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, I, I TAKE IT THE CITY HASN'T APPROVED A SUP OR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A CEMETERY FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE SOMEONE IN THE ARCHIVIST DIVISION TO PULL, UM, SOME TYPE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS AROUND CEMETERIES AND HOW THESE CITIES O UH, REGULATED THEM? UM, BECAUSE I'M READING INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEED FOR LONG-TERM MANAGEMENT IN, IN, IN FINANCIAL STABILITY FOR ZONING CASES IN THE PAST FOR CEMETERIES.

UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THAT CLEARED OR A QUESTION ASKED? I THINK CERTAINLY WE COULD TALK TO THE ARCHIVIST TO FIND WE, WE WOULD NEED SOME MORE SPECIFIC, UH, I THINK INFORMATION ON WHAT'S TO REQUEST.

UH, CHAPTER 11 OF THE CITY CODE IS, I BELIEVE THE MAIN GOVERNING PORTION OF THE CITY'S ORDINANCES ON CEMETERY OPERATION.

UH, OTHER THAN THE RESTRICTION OR OTHER THAN THE BLANKET BAN ON NEW CEMETERIES, EVERYTHING ELSE IS STILL IN EFFECT.

UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SEVERABLE SYS, UH, SEVERABLE CODE, SO IT CAN, YOU CAN REMOVE THAT, BUT THE REST OF IT'S STILL IN EFFECT.

IT DOES ADD REGULATIONS AROUND, UH, INTERMENT.

IT HAS REGULATIONS AROUND NOTIFICATION TO WHAT IT MAKES REFERENCE TO A DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD NOW BE SUPERSEDED BY THE COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

UH, THERE WAS ALSO STATE LEVEL REGULATIONS, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL, IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONS OF IT, THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ASK THOSE THINGS,

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CHAIR HOUSE.

RIGHT, BUT MR. MOORE ISN'T OPERATION OF AN APPLICANT OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION.

THAT, THAT COMES AWAY FROM THE LAND USE AND GOES MORE TOWARDS THE USER AND NOT, NOT THE USE ITSELF.

SO I THINK THE QUESTION WAS HISTORICALLY, HOW DO WE DO IT? SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CASE NUMBER NINE ALSO HAS TO COME OFF CONSENT COMMISSIONERS EIGHT AND NINE.

OH, YES.

UH, I BELIEVE ANDREA IS GOING TO BE, UM, PRESENTING THIS CASE.

UM, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU, WILSON.

I'M HERE.

I'M GONNA DO THIS PRESENTATION.

IS IT FULL SCREEN? DO I NEED TO DO ANYTHING? UH, WE WORKED THE CASE TOGETHER, MAN WILSON.

UM, AND I ALSO HAVE OFFICE FOR HOMELESS SOLUTIONS IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO ITEM Z 2 3 4 180 5 IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL.

NUMBER 2 4 5 53 FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS LOCATED WITHIN SUBDISTRICT THREE C OF PD NUMBER SEVEN 14, THE WEST COMMERCE STREET FOR, UH, STREET FORT WORTH, AVENUE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.

IT'S ON THE SOUTH LINE OF FOURTH AVENUE, IS APPROXIMATELY 0.8 ACRES IN AREA.

IT'S IN, UM, WEST DALLAS.

THIS IS A ZONING MAP.

IT IS, AS YOU CAN SEE, SURROUNDED BY PD SEVEN 14.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL TO THE NORTH AND A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, ZONING TO THE SOUTH.

UH, THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP.

UM, THIS, THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY DEVELOPED, UH, WITH A BUILDING THAT USED TO BE USED AS A HOTEL.

THE INTENT IS TO DO AN ADAPTIVE REUSE AND, UH, OPERATE THE SITE THAT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WITH WRAPAROUND SERVICES.

AS I WAS SAYING, THE LAND USE SERVES AROUND IT.

THERE ARE, THERE'S VACANT LAND TO THE EAST, UH, WAREHOUSE AND RETAIL TO THE WEST, MULTIFAMILY TO THE SOUTH, AND TO THE NORTH, UH, OFFICE AND SOUTH STORAGE.

IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE COMPLEX BACKGROUND.

I THINK WE ALL REMEMBER THIS CASE CAME IN FRONT OF US IN 2022 IN APRIL WHEN WE APPROVED A NEW SUBDISTRICT IN PD SEVEN 14 TO CREATE THE SPECIFIC USE AND ASSOCIATED REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY TO PARKING AND LIGHTING.

UM, WE CREATED, THIS IS THE DEFINITION FOR THE USE AS IT IS IN THE PD.

AND THE DEFINITION INCLUDES SERVICES TO SUPPORT THIS USE.

UM, THE SITE, UH, IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING OPERATED, IS BEING UNDER ADAPTIVE REUSE.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO START OPERATION YET.

UM, IT IS PLANNED TO CONTINUE TO UNDERGO THE REMODELING TO OFFER THE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND SERVICES.

THERE ARE NO CHANGES, AND THEY WERE NEVER PROPOSED CHANGING TO THE SITE LAYOUT AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT.

UM, SOME PICTURES, AS I WAS SAYING, THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SIGN THAT THERE IS INTERIOR REMODELING, UM, GOING ON OR PLANNING TO BE, UM, TO HAPPEN.

THIS IS A VIEW FROM FORT AVENUE.

UM, THIS IS THE DISCIPLINE.

I WANTED TO STOP A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE A SMALL, UH, REMARK.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AS TWO ACTUALLY SMALL REMARKS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS SUP.

UM, IN 2022, THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO REMODEL THE INTERIOR.

UM, THE TABLE THAT YOU SEE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ON THE SITE PLAN, I'M SORRY, IT'S FOR PARKING PURPOSES ONLY, BUT IT DOES, UH, QUOTE 40 UNITS.

THERE'S NOT A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AS LONG AS THE, UM, NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE DEVELOPED OR THE SERVICES ARE GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN THE INTERIOR CAN COMPLY WITH THE PARKING RATIO.

EVERYTHING IS GOOD.

SO THE DISCIPLINES STILL APPLIES.

WE ARE GONNA PROBABLY ADD THIS NOTE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THERE'S NO INTERPRETATION THAT, UH, THERE'S A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE ASSEMBLED INSIDE OR DEVELOPED INSIDE.

UM, AND THEN THE SECOND REMARK THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THE SUP EXPIRES ACTUALLY NEXT YEAR.

UM, THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS OFFICE FOR HOMELESS SOLUTION, DECIDED TO APPLY EARLIER SO THEY CAN, UM, RENEW IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BECAUSE THEY WANNA BE DONE WITH THE INTERIOR REMODELING AND THEY WANNA START OPERATING IT FOR A LITTLE BIT BEFORE IT COMES FOR A TRUE RENEWAL, UH, FOR A RENEWAL AFTER A LITTLE BIT OF OPERATION.

AS I WAS SAYING, NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE ALREADY 42, I THINK, PARKING SPACES THAT ARE INDICATED ON THE SITE PLAN.

UM,

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THESE ARE THE SUP CONDITIONS.

THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE CONDITIONS IS BASICALLY THE TIMEFRAME.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A FIVE YEARS, UH, PLUS, UH, AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS.

UM, AND THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. JR, WHAT IS THE STAFF'S RATIONALE FOR PROPOSING AUTO RENEWALS ON A, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO CUSTOMARILY BE OUR PRACTICE FOR SOME, UH, FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A NEW OPERATION.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW OPERATION SINCE IT IS NEVER, UH, PROVIDED ANY SERVICES AT THIS LOCATION.

YES, YES.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

YES, YOU, YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT IN THAT RESPECT, WE ARE LOOKING MORE WITH AN ANGLE THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE TYPE OF USE AND OFFERS HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN NEED.

UH, WE ALSO KNOW THAT IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES THAT WE WILL FORESEE AND, UH, AUTOMATICALLY RENEWAL, IT AUTOMATICALLY WILL, UH, GET US TO RECOMMEND IT OR TO BRING IT BACK TO CPC.

SO WE KNOW THAT THE AUTO RENEWALS DO OFFER THAT.

UM, UM, IF THERE IS ANY NON-COMPLIANCE SITUATION, WE DO HAVE THAT OPTION TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU.

BUT TO CLARIFY, THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS IS LOOKING AT COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN TO, TO BRING IT BACK TO CPC, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE 20% OF THE, UH, 20% OF THE LAND WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.

THE OWNERS OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO, UM, FILE OBJECTIONS FOR WHATEVER REASON TO BRING IT BACK.

OR NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN.

SO IF THERE'S AN ADDITION, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, I DON'T KNOW, THE PARKING IS NOT STRIPED OR STUFF LIKE THAT, WE CAN ALWAYS THE PER THE, PER THE CODE, THE DIRECTOR HAS TO, UH, SCHEDULE IT FOR CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

BUT IF THERE WERE JUST OPERATIONAL ISSUES THAT WE'RE CAUSING, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA, THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THE STAFF WOULD AUTOMATICALLY PICK UP THROUGH A SITE PLAN COMPLIANCE REVIEW.

YES, AND I WILL GIVE IT TO CHRISTINE, BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS LIKE, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE SUP IS LAND USE ONLY AND SITE PLAN COMPLIANCE ONLY.

SO THE OPERATION, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO, UH, DETACH THE OPERATOR FROM THE LAND USE.

SO, UM, I WOULD SAY YES, IF THERE ARE OTHER COMPLAINTS, WE WON'T GET TO THEM UNLESS THEY ARE RELATED TO THE DISCIPLINE AND EXPANSIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

HOWEVER, OUR, OUR, I MEAN, HAVING BEEN ON CPC FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS, IT SEEMS THAT OUR NORMAL PRACTICE IS TO AWARD A NEW USE OF FIXED TIME PERIOD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER AUTO RENEWALS AFTER WE HAVE SOME KIND OF TRACK RECORD.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE BODY TO CONSIDER THAT.

COMMISSIONER HALL UP FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER TURN.

SO THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.

YES, YES, YES.

AND CITY OF DALLAS WILL OPERATE IT.

NO.

SO THE CITY OF DALLAS IS GOING TO CONVEY IT AND THEN, UM, IT WILL BE, UH, OWNED AND OPERATED BY A NEW OPERATOR.

HOWEVER, WITHIN THE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SUP AND THERE'S ALWAYS A, UM, ARE WE GONNA KEEP A WRITER REVERTER ON THIS ONE? YES.

UH, WRITER REVERTER IN CASE IT DEVIATES FROM THAT PURPOSE.

WILL THE OPERATOR BE A CONTRACTOR TO THE CITY OR, UH, A NON-PROFIT? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, THE RELATIONSHIP? SO THE, UH, OPERATORS COMING THROUGH A NOTICE OF FUNDING AVAILABILITY, SO IT'LL BE A DEVELOPER BRINGING IN AN OPERATOR AS WELL.

UM, AND UM, THAT ALSO WE HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT THAT IS, UM, REALLY HOW YOU MAKE SURE THAT EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE LAND USE THE OPERATOR AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING MEETS WITH COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, UM, THAT HAVE HELPED SHAPE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SHAPED THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT AND, UM, ACTUALLY TIED THAT TO THE SUP.

SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE TRIGGERS IN THERE SHOULD, SHOULD, UM, THE OPERATOR BE OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS EXPECTING.

AND WILL THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, KEEP OWNERSHIP OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY? SO AGAIN, NO, BUT WE HAVE A RIGHT OF REVERTER SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN.

LET'S SAY THAT THEY MOVE OUTSIDE OF THE SUP, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SUP COMES BACK FOR RENEWAL AND IT IS, UH, DENIED THE PROPERTY WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE CITY AND PART OF THAT IS ALSO GOVERNED BY THE EXPECTATION WITHIN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE A COMMUNITY LIAISON AND CERTAIN, UM, BODIES THAT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE TO BE MET WITH, UM, EVERYTHING FROM THAT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, UH, NOISE POLICIES AND WHO'S ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY AND WHO'S NOT.

MS. CROLEY, COULD YOU JUST PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? YES, SORRY.

UH, CHRISTINE CROSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.

WELCOME, COMMISSIONER

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SHENA.

UH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UH, TOP OF THE LIST WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY TAKEN BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, BUT I'LL GO TO THE SECOND QUESTION HERE.

UM, JUST SO I'M, I'M CLEAR THE UNIT COUNT IS NOT GERMANE TO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, LOOKING AT TODAY WITH REGARD TO THE SUP.

I'M SORRY, THE WHAT? THE UNIT COUNT.

OH, THE UNIT COUNT.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY NO, WE DIDN'T REVIEW IT LIKE THAT.

WE OBVIOUSLY ARE DRIVEN BY THE PUBLIC SERVICE, THE SERVICE THAT THIS USE IS OFFERING.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, JUST SO I'M CLEAR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE CLEAR JUST ON THE HISTORY HERE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN OPERATOR THAT, UM, PULLED OUT FROM, FROM THE PROJECT AND THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THIS WENT BACK OUT FOR, I DON'T KNOW THE TECHNICAL TERM, BUT SOME KIND OF REQUEST FOR, YOU KNOW, A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, A, A NEW CONTRACTOR.

YES, CORRECT.

UM, CITY SQUARE WAS THE INTENDED OPERATOR, MR. CHAIR.

I THINK THIS IS GETTING TOO MUCH INTO THE OPERATOR AND STRAYING AWAY FROM THE LAND USE.

THAT'S ULTIMATELY THE ISSUE BEFORE THE BODY UNDERSTOOD.

I WOULD RESPOND TO SAY THAT THE CHANGE IN OPERATOR AND THE TIMEFRAME THAT IT TOOK WITH THE CONTRACT AND ALL OF THAT DID, UH, TRIGGER OR OFFICE FOR HOMELESS SOLUTION WANTED TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT.

THAT'S WHY THEY BROUGHT IT UP FOR RENEWAL EARLIER.

, NO MORE QUESTIONS.

AND, AND JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, IT'S NEVER BEEN OPERATED, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

RIGHT NOW IT IS, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO THE STUDS, UM, SO THAT IT CAN BE FULLY REMODELED BY WHOEVER IS AWARDED.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.

MS. CROSSLEY, YOU REFERENCED THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT.

IS THAT STILL BINDING OR WAS THAT NEGOTIATED BETWEEN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE PRIOR OPERATOR THAT'S NOW NO LONGER INVOLVED, OR IS THIS, WAS THE CITY A SIGNATORY TO IT? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

SO IT WAS CREATED BY THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO BE ADDED TO WHO, WHICHEVER PROPOSER'S CONTRACT, UH, IS SIGNED.

SO, UH, IT IS, IT WILL BE BINDING TO WHOMEVER TAKES OVER.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

BLA MY QUESTION, UM, IS FOR THE LENGTH OF THE SUP, UM, MS. CROSSLEY, YOU SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING IS UNBUILT.

IT IS, IT IS, UM, UH, DEMOLISHED WAITING FOR IT TO, UH, REBUILT, CORRECT.

THE INTERIOR, YES, THE IN, WE DID ASBESTOS ABATEMENT, UM, AND TOOK EVERYTHING OUT OF THE INTERIOR.

SO DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE AS TO WHEN YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE COMPLETED? SO IS A FIVE YEAR SUP FOR THE TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO COMPLETE, TO PROVIDE NEW, NEW, UH, RESIDENTS INTO THE FACILITY AND FOR US, OR FOR THE CITY OR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND IT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE LAND USED IS, IS A GOOD USE OF LAND AT THAT SPOT? YES.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING FIVE YEAR, NOT THREE YEAR RENEWAL.

UM, IT'S GOING TO TAKE, I MEAN, A LOT OF IT WILL DEPEND ON THE MARKET AND HOW DEVELOPMENTS GO, BUT I BELIEVE ABOUT A YEAR OR SO FOR IT TO, UM, HAVE, UH, THE DOORS OPEN AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROVIDER, UH, CAN HAVE AT LEAST TWO YEARS UNDER THEIR BELT BEFORE THEY COME BACK SO THAT THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF OPERATIONAL DATA THERE TO REVIEW.

SO, UM, IT'S DEMOLISHED.

SUP GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IT'D BE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE THE COMPLETE BUILD OUT.

UM, AND THEN SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR FOR IT TO BE COMPLETELY OPERATIONAL AND THEN TWO YEARS TO, TO SEE UNDERNEATH THE BELT TO SEE IF IT'S A GOOD USE OF LAND AT THIS PARTICULAR SPOT.

I, WITHOUT HAVING THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF ME, I WOULD, AND WITHOUT KNOWING HOW THE MARKET WILL REACT, THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE TIMELINE.

I HOPE IT'LL OPEN SOONER THAN THAT.

WE'LL HAVE MORE DATA, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, WE EXPECT TO HAVE TWO YEARS OF SOLID OPERATING DATA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONERS? YES, PLEASE.

IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF NOT MAKING THE FIRST ONE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THINGS, I KNOW THAT IT'S A PUBLIC KIND OF SERVICE DEAL, BUT WE KNOW THAT SOMETIME LOSS IN TRANSLATION AND SOMETHING JUST, JUST ON THAT FIRST YEAR, UM, AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AND THAT TOO.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTERS,

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SAME QUESTION.

I WOULD SAY FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE DO, I THINK WE HAVE A DUTY TO ENDORSE PUBLIC SERVICE.

IT IS UP TO THE BODY FOR SURE, LIKE YOU HAVE THE, UM, OPTION TO CHANGE THEIR TIMEFRAME OF THE RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, REMOVE THE ORDER RENEWALS AS A, AS A, AS A BODY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.

OKAY, WE'LL KEEP MOVING.

DR.

COMMISSIONERS TAKES US TO, UH, CASE NUMBER 10.

UH, DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE ANY UPDATES ON THERE.

ARE THERE, OH, PARDON ME.

SORRY, COMMISSIONER.

UH, RUBEN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND WE'LL JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND.

LET HIM STEP OUT.

THERE ARE NOT UPDATES.

THERE ARE NO UPDATES.

NO.

UH, WE'LL GO TO, UH, NUMBER 11.

NO UPDATES ON 10.

YEP.

YOU WANNA BRIEF IT TODAY OR NO? SORRY, WHICH ONE? THIS ONE.

THIS ONE.

WAIT, WAIT UNTIL 11.

WE'LL WAIT TILL 1112 IS GONNA GET HELD.

COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD, ITEM NUMBER 12 IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JULY 11TH, AND WE WILL BRIEF IT THEN, UH, TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 13.

THAT IS ALSO GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO, UH, JUNE 6TH.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRIEF IT TODAY, COMMISSIONER HALL OR THAT OR THEN, OR LET'S WAIT AND BRIEF IT ON JUNE 6TH.

WE'LL BRIEF THAT THEN.

UH, I THINK OUR, OUR PLANNERS THAT ARE OUT IN A, ON ANOTHER MEETING FOR THE FIRST TWO CASES ARE STILL OUT.

IS THAT RIGHT? FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN UNTIL, UNTIL 11.

AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THE MIGRATION TO ACELA.

SO, YOU KNOW, IN ALL TRANSPARENCY, THEY'RE WAY WORKING TO MAKE THE PROCESS BETTER AND IT, THEY COULDN'T GET OUT OF IT, SO THEY CAN BE BACK AT 11 THEN.

MR. VANDERBERG, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

? PARDON ME? YEAH, LET'S DO IT.

OKAY, MR. VANDERBERG, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK ON YOU, SIR.

SO IT'S, IT'S 10 26.

LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS.

IT IS 10:43 AM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

MY APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 14, IT'S GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO JULY 25TH.

UH, I KNOW WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME FOLKS THAT I KNOW WANNA SPEAK ON THE SIDE AND SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS, SO WE ARE HAPPY TO HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT IS REGISTERED AND WOULD LIKE TO COME DOWN, BUT JUST KNOW, WE'LL NOT BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM TODAY.

WE'RE GONNA HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT TO THE 25TH OF JULY, AND WE DO HAVE THE TEAM HERE READY TO BRIEF IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE IT.

BRIEF.

UH, WOULD ANYONE LIKE IT BRIEF TODAY? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, BLACK.

UM, SO IF WE'RE HOLDING THIS UNTIL THE 25TH AND WE HAVE, AND I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE THE SPEAKER LIST, DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES.

SO DO WE, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THOSE, THOSE BODIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, DO WE NOT NEED TO KNOW WHAT CHANGES IS IS IN THIS TO BE BRIEFED ON OR CAN WE JUST LISTEN AND, AND SAY UHHUH UHHUH? NO.

ITEM 15, UH, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 14.

SINCE, YEAH, SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HOLD THE ITEM.

UH, WE CAN TAKE PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN A MOTION IS GONNA BE MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT? TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO THE 25TH.

AND SO WE CAN STILL HAVE IT BRIEF IF, IF, UH, ANY OF US, ANY ANYONE IN THE BODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT BRIEFED.

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, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT VICE CHAIR RUBEN? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

ONE, WE'VE GOT A DETAILED WRITTEN REPORT ON THIS IN THE DOCKET EXPLAINING THE CHANGES.

AND, AND THEN JUST TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE, WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, ZAC MADE A MOTION THAT, UM, THAT REQUESTED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COME UP WITH THE WAY IN WHICH THE PUBLIC COULD CONTINUE TO INITIATE THE, UM, COMPLIANCE PROCESS IN LIGHT OF THE CHANGES MADE BY SENATE BAILED 9 29, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.

ZAC ACTUALLY ASKED US, ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND STAFF TO COME UP WITH A WAY FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC TO APPROACH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IT.

WE, WE, WE PLAYED AROUND WITH THAT AND CAME UP WITH THE WAY THAT, THAT WE CAME UP WITH YOU GUYS NOW, WHERE IT'S MORE OF A FUNDING ISSUE AND THEN THE PUBLIC COULD STILL APPLY.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO ZAC HAD, DIDN'T, HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO VET THE PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT THAT WAS IN OUR DOCKET TODAY THAT CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAME UP WITH, RIGHT? THE, THE, THAT ONE POINT THAT IS CORRECT.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE LANGUAGE ZAC SAW, BUT THAT ONE, THAT ONE METHOD THEY DID NOT.

THAT, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF FRESH EYES ON THIS, THIS ONE PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE LANGUAGE, WHICH WAS POSTED IN OUR DOCKET ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, RIGHT? YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HALL, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE, THE STATE LAW, THE CITY HAS TO BECOME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAW? YES.

THERE'S EVERY LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THERE IS A, A LOT OF STATE LAWS THAT WE, WE MOVE A LOT OF ORDINANCES THROUGH TO COMPLY WITH.

SO THE POLICY THAT WE, THAT PREDATED THAT IS SORT OF OUT THE DOOR NOW.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS THE CASE, YES.

AND THEN, BUT CAN WE SORT OF TWEAK IT AROUND THE EDGES? IS THAT WHAT ZAC WAS TRYING TO DO HERE? THAT, THAT IS WHAT ZAC ASKED US TO DO, AND WE THINK WE'VE DONE IT WITHIN THE BOUNDS THAT WE WERE GIVEN.

AND HAS THE CITY DECIDED TO SET UP THIS FUND? TO, TO, RIGHT NOW IT IS BEING AT CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

Y'ALL WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS YOU DO ON ALL ZONING AMENDMENTS, AND THEN CITY, UH, COUNCIL WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEY WILL BE THE FINAL, THEY'LL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS ON IT.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER COOPER? I, SORRY.

I'M ALL RIGHT.

YES, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, THE WHAT'S BEFORE US AS A DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT ADDRESSES STRICTLY NON-CONFORMING BUSINESSES, CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO, YES.

WHAT IS THE, I MEAN, THERE CERTAINLY ARE, HAVE TO BE BUSINESS THAT BUSINESSES THAT TECHNICALLY CONFORM TO THEIR ZONING THAT ARE ALSO PRESENTING ENVIRONMENTAL OR NUISANCE ISSUES.

WHAT IS THE CITY'S PROCEDURE FOR DEALING WITH THOSE? IF SOMEONE, IS IT JUST CODE COMPLIANCE? IS IT COMMUNITY PROSECUTION? I BELIEVE BOTH COMMUNITY PROSECUTION AND CODE COMPLIANCE WOULD BE THE, THE AVENUES FOR IT.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE A DRIVE BY OPINION WHERE I'M NOT ACTUALLY CLEAR OF, OF, OF ALL THAT, BUT THOSE WOULD BE WHERE I WOULD GO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN JULY.

UH, DO WE HAVE OUR FOLKS READY FOR OUR OTHER PIECE? GOOD MORNING, MAYOR .

WELL, WELL, GOOD MORNING, MS. WEBB.

WE'RE GONNA KEEP THIS SEAT WARM FOR YOU.

SO RIGHT HERE.

OR DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING ITEMS? I I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE, THE FOUR DALLAS PIECE UNTIL WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME.

DO WE HAVE OUR TEAM READY FOR THE THREE ITEMS? UH, THEY'RE NOT BACK UNTIL 11, RIGHT? OKAY.

WELL THEN LET'S,

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TIME.

DID WE COVER THE WHOLE DOCKET? WE DID.

SO WE DID THE WHOLE DOCKET, RIGHT? THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE NOT HERE TILL 11.

SO LET'S TAKE A BREAK TILL WE'LL START AT SHARP, 11 O'CLOCK SHARP.

UM, THE TEAM WILL BE BACK.

WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL BREAK TO VISIT WITH OUR VERY SPECIAL GUEST.

WE'LL BE BACK ONLINE AT 11:00 AM 10 50.

WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.

OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S, UH, 11 O'CLOCK.

THE TEAM IS READY.

AND WE WILL HEAD BACK INTO THE DOCKET WITH THE, UH, THREE ITEMS, UH, THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS, BEGINNING WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

ONE SECOND.

THANK YOU FOR WORKING AROUND OUR SCHEDULE, BY THE WAY.

OF COURSE.

VISIT, I WOULD SAY, UH, WE DID NOTICE THAT THERE WERE GAMING MACHINES ON THE PREMISES, WHICH PROMPTED US TO FURTHER LOOK INTO THE CO.

THIS IS KZ 2 23 DASH 2 73.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2160 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.

THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN SUB AREA SEVEN OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 6 WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.

THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 0.2031 ACRES.

THE LOCATION MAP IS SHOWING THE SITE TO BE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD AND INE ROAD.

THIS IS THE AERIAL AND ZONING LAND USE MAP.

AS YOU CAN SEE TO THE EAST, WE HAVE RETAIL WITH PD 360 6, SUB AREA ONE, AND THEN RESTAURANT WIDTH, UH, WHICH IS THE CORRECTION MADE.

UM, AND THEN TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH IS A CEMETERY.

AND AS WELL AS FURTHER DOWN TO THE WEST, WE ALSO HAVE THE UNDEVELOPED, UH, LAND, WHICH IS MU ONE.

SO A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE SUP.

UM, IN NOVEMBER, 2015, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAD APPROVED IT FOR TWO YEARS WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL.

AND THEN IN DECEMBER, 2018, UM, CITY COUNCIL HAD GRANTED THE RENEWAL FOR TWO YEARS WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL.

AND THEN IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, UM, THE SCP WAS GRANTED FOR THREE YEARS WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIODS.

THEREFORE, THE CURRENT REQUEST IS THE APPLICATION FOR THE FIRST THREE YEAR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF SCP 2160.

ALTHOUGH DUE TO THE NON-COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS OF THE SUP, THE APPLICATION MUST BE FORWARDED TO CPC AND COUNSEL FOR FURTHER ACTION.

AND THEN FURTHER ACTION IS DEFINED, UM, BY CPC.

THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION SHALL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE PROPOSED RENEWAL BASED ON STAFF REPORTS, FIELD INSPECTIONS, AND EVIDENCE PRE, UH, PRESENTED AT IS PUBLIC HEARING.

MOVING ON TO THE, UH, SEP CONDITION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN, USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY MUST COMPLY WITH THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN.

UM, DURING OUR INITIAL SITE VISIT, WE NOTICED THAT, UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOT MEETING COMPLIANCE.

ONE OF THEM WAS THE DUMPSTER SCREENING.

UM, IT WAS OUTSIDE A SCREENING AREA, UM, BUT IT IS NOW IN COMPLIANCE FROM WHAT WE SAW.

UM, AND THEN LANDSCAPING IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE OUTSTANDING, UH, CONDITIONS THAT STILL, UH, IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE YET.

UM, THERE WERE REPLACEMENT PLANTINGS, UH, ON INSTALLED ON THE SITE TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT HOWEVER, FROM STAFF, WE DID LEARN THAT THE PLANT SIZES WERE NOT THE MINIMUM STANDARD REQUIRED.

MOVING ON TO SCP CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS GENERAL REQUIREMENTS USE OF THE PROPERTY MUST COMPLY WITH ALL ORDINANCES, RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UM, LOOKING WHEN DURING OUR INITIAL SITE

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AND THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THE CEO SPECIFICALLY REMARKS THAT, UM, NO COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE IS ALLOWED OF ANY KIND.

UH, AND WE DID SEND THE FEEDBACK LETTER TO THE APPLICANT SO THEY WERE AWARE OF THAT.

UM, AND AFTER THAT, THEY HAD REMOVED THE GAMING MACHINES.

ALTHOUGH BECAUSE THERE WAS A FIRE INCIDENT, WE WERE NEVER, NEVER ABLE TO GO BACK AND INSPECT THE SITE.

UM, THE C-STORE LICENSE, UH, WAS RE UH, WAS CURRENTLY IN REINSPECTION AT THE TIME OF THE FIRE.

UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A ADDITIONAL PERMIT FOR A BUILDING, UH, FOR THE BUILDING ADDITION IN THE NORTH SIDE AND REQUIRED INSPECTIONS.

BUT THE APPLICANT WAS IN CONTACT WITH THE, UH, DISTRICT IN INSPECTION OFFICE AT THE TIME, BUT, UM, THEY HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO OBTAIN THE REQUIRED PERMITS.

SO THESE ARE A COUPLE, UH, SITE PICTURES FOR THE LANDSCAPING OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, TO THE LEFT AND BELOW.

THESE WERE FROM THE INITIAL SITE VISITS.

PER THE SITE PLAN, IT IS NOTED THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SEVEN FOOT DEEP THICK SHRUBS, ALTHOUGH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS NOT PLANTED THERE.

THEREFORE, THERE ARE MISSING.

AND SOME OF THE PLANTINGS WERE, UM, NOT IN THE HEALTHY CONDITION FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONAL PICTURES FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT.

AND THE MOST RECENT SITE VISIT, AS YOU CAN SEE, A TREE WAS PLANTED ON THE NORTH PERIMETER, UM, BUT IT STILL DOES NOT MEET THE COMPLIANCE.

UM, AND THEN DURING MY FINAL LAST VISIT, UM, WHICH WAS ON MAY 10TH, THE SITE IS COMPLETELY BARRICADED.

SO THERE'S NO SERVICE, THERE'S NO, UM, PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE SITE AT THE MOMENT.

THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING ON BUCKNER BOULEVARD.

UH, THE FRONTAGE, UM, PER THE SITE PLAN, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, FILLED IN SHRUBS TO PROVIDE CONTINUOUS SCREEN WHERE LARGE SHRUBS ARE PLANTED NO CLOSER THAN 24 INCHES ON CENTER.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE ARE NOT, UM, PLANTED, THEREFORE THEY'RE MISSING FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, LANDSCAPING SITE PHOTOS.

UM, THE LEFT IS FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FILL AND SHRUBS ARE NOT THERE, OR THEY'RE LIKE MISSING, BUT NOT IN THE HEALTHY GROWING CONDITION.

AND THE PICTURE ON THE BELOW RIGHT IS FROM THE MOST RECENT SITE VISIT, UM, IN WHICH THAT'S WHEN I MENTIONED THAT THE SITE IS COMPLETELY BARRICADED AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO BRING IT BACK INTO COMPLIANCE.

THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING OFF OF SEIN ROAD.

UM, TO THE LEFT IS FROM THE INITIAL SITE VISIT.

UH, AGAIN, JUST WITH THE SITE PLAN NOTATIONS, THE FILL AND SHRUBS NEEDED TO BE THERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE, UM, NOT IN THE HEALTHY GROWING CONDITION, THEREFORE, THEY NEEDED TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED.

AND, UM, IN RECENT NEWS, THERE HAVE BEEN A FIRE DAMAGE INCIDENT IN WHICH, UH, CAUSED THE ENTIRE STORE TO BE NOT IN OPERATION, AND THE SITE IS BARRICADED.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE NOTICED ON MY MOST RECENT SITE VISIT.

THIS IS THE EXISTING SUP, UH, SITE PLAN IS FOR REFERENCE.

AND PER THE SUP 21 CONDITIONS, UM, STAFF STAFFERS RECOMMENDING, UM, A ONE YEAR, UH, RENEWAL, UH, JUST TO SEE IF THEY CAN BE ABLE TO BRING THE SITE BACK INTO COMPLIANCE.

UM, ALTHOUGH THE EXISTING SUP UH, EXPIRES, OBVIOUSLY BACK THEN, UH, NOVEMBER 11TH, 2023, BUT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIODS.

THEREFORE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR THE ADDITIONAL, UH, THREE YEAR PERIOD AND APPROVAL OF THE RENEWAL OF, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 2160 FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD IN LIEU OF THE REQUESTED AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

SORRY, VERY WORDY.

IT, IT'S PERFECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. HAN.

UH, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UM, IS THIS A FUELING STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT? IS THIS A FUELING STATION WITH A, UH, WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE? YES.

IS THE FUELING STATION PORTION STILL OPERATIONAL? NO.

SO WITH THE FIRE, THE WHOLE, UH, OPERATION, THE, THE FUELING PORTION AS WELL AS THE CONVENIENCE STORE BECAME NON-OPERATIONAL.

IT WAS JUST THE, THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE STORE, THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE OCCURRED, BUT NOT FOR THE FUELING STATION AREA.

TAKEN THE WHOLE PROPERTY OUT OF, OUT OF COMMISSION.

IF YOU CAN JUMP IN.

SO THE FUELING STATIONS, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, ARE STILL OPERATIONAL, BUT THERE'S NO ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME.

SO THEY'VE

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BUT CONCEIVABLY, IF THEY WERE TO OPEN THE BARRICADES, THEY COULD STILL OPERATE THE, THE FUEL PUMPS ON A, YOU KNOW, PUT YOUR CARD IN.

THEY JUST COULDN'T DO ANY TRANSACTIONS INSIDE.

THEN ANOTHER QUESTION, PLEASE.

IF THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THE FIRE AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE BROUGHT IT IN A NON-CON NON-OPERATIONAL STATE.

COULD YOU, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? THE BUYER BROUGHT THE CONVENIENCE STORE IN A COMPLETELY NON-OPERATIONAL STATE.

WE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE INSIDE, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE THE CASE.

OF DENIAL BECAUSE THERE WAS NO FIRE, AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAD IN THE INTERVENING THREE WEEKS BROUGHT THE STORE INTO COMPLIANCE, WE WOULD HAVE THEN BRIEFED IT AS A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

SO CAN YOU HELP ME APPRECIATE WHY WE WOULD, IS IF THEY WERE IN NON-CON AND THEY WERE IN A STATE OF NON-COMP COMPLIANCY, UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR STATE OF NON-COMPLIANCE HAD BEEN EXISTING FOR A WHILE, WOULD, WOULD IT, SHE KNOWS WHAT'S COMING , WOULD IT NOT BE A REASONABLE THOUGHT TO JUST DENY THE SUP COMPLETELY? AND WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF GETTING THEIR C-STORE AND, AND, AND, AND DOING ALL THE THINGS TO REBUILD AND ALL THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO, COME BACK FOR A NEW SUP AND LET THEM TAKE THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE THEM TO BRING IT BACK INTO A STATE OF OPERATION OPPOSED TO GIVING IT A YEAR, AND THEN WE'VE SEEN THEM AGAIN.

THAT'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION.

UM, AND I THINK THE, THE FIRE WAS SORT OF THE, THE, THE WEIRD FACTOR HERE.

SO TYPICALLY AS Y'ALL, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, IT'S NOT, UH, VERY NORMAL THAT WE BRING AN AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL TO YOU.

UM, SO WE HAD TOLD THEM ALREADY PRIOR TO THE FIRE THAT WE WERE GOING TO PREPARE TO TAKE THIS TO PLAN COMMISSION.

UM, BUT ALSO WE GAVE THEM THE ADVICE AT THAT POINT THAT YOU STILL HAVE THE THREE WEEKS OR WHATEVER PRIOR TO PLAN COMMISSION.

WE WOULD ADVISE YOU TO WORK DILIGENTLY TO HAVE IT IN COMPLIANCE BY THE TIME YOU'RE AT THE HEARING.

UM, AND TYPICALLY APPLICANTS WOULD HAVE THAT EXTRA AMOUNT OF TIME, HOWEVER, THE FIRE HAPPENED, BASICALLY RIGHT AFTER WE TOLD THEM WE WERE PREPARING TO BRING IT TO THE HEARING.

SO IN STAFF'S ESTIMATION, THEY, I, I DO SEE EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT IN OUR ESTIMATION, THEY LOST THAT ADDITIONAL TIME THAT THEY WOULD'VE HAD.

UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A BUNCH OF FIRE DAMAGE REPAIR.

UM, IT WILL TAKE THEM TIME TO GET UP AND RUNNING.

SO RATHER THAN COMING HERE AND RECOMMENDING DENIAL, WHICH IF THE FIRE HADN'T HAPPENED, WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE DONE THAT, BUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ADDITIONAL TIME, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE TIME TO BRING THE FIRE DAMAGE BACK, BRING EVERYTHING INTO COMPLIANCE, A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME.

THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND APPLY FOR A STANDARD RENEWAL AT THAT POINT.

SO IT'S, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THE BODY COULD GO WITH DENIAL, UM, BUT THE FIRE WAS SORT OF THE MITIGATING FACTOR TO US.

I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, OR MAYBE TWO.

UM, IF, IF, IF, IF THE, THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IF THEY HAD NOT HAD THE FIRE WOULD HAVE BEEN A DENIAL AND THE, THE FI AND, AND THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE WITHIN A YEAR THEY COULD COMPLETE ALL OF THE, THE REPAIRS THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, IN ORDER TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY AGAIN ANYHOW, WOULD IT NOT? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I GET WHAT YOU'RE GOING, WHERE YOU'RE GOING FROM, YOU'RE BEING LENIENT AND NICE.

UM, YEAH, YOU ARE.

UM, AND, AND I GET THAT.

UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, BUT IN THE, IN A MANNER OF PRACTICALITY, IT'S GONNA BE A NEW STORE.

WHY NOT JUST TREAT IT LIKE A NEW STORE AND LET THEM REAP AND LET THEM GO THROUGH ALL THE PROCESSES THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH AND ORDER TO GET THEIR PERMITS.

THEY REBUILD, THEY FIGURE OUT WHY THERE WAS A FIRE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THEN COME BACK FOR A NEW SUP AND START AND, AND GIVE EVERYBODY A BRAND NEW START.

SO THAT'S CERTAINLY, I GUESS THE, THAT'S THE QUESTION UP FOR THE BODY TO DECIDE AT THIS POINT.

IT HOWEVER YOU ALL DECIDE, WE CERTAINLY WILL, UM, RESPECT THAT IT STAFF JUST IS RECOMMENDING THE ONE YEAR.

AND THE OTHER OPTION IS DENIAL.

I, I WOULD SAY TOO, THAT IF THE APPLICANT, IF WE CAME IN WITH A RECOMMENDATION

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AND SO WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF IT AS A RECOMMENDATION OF APPRO APPROVAL BECAUSE THERE, THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE WORKING.

YES, MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.

AND WHY IS IT NOT BEING HELD? IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T HOLD IT, HOLD A CASE.

UM, I, I BELIEVE IT CAN BE HELD.

DANIEL, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT? YEP.

CPC COULD AT THE PUBLIC HEARING GO TO HOLD THIS ITEM? AND IS THAT MAYBE THERE MAY BE AN OPTION, THERE MIGHT BE A OPTION TO HOLD IT EITHER INSTEAD OF, UH, DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY INDICATION OF HOW FAR ALONG THEY ARE IN THAT PROCESS? UH, NO.

THE, THE FIRE'S PRETTY RECENT.

WE DID ASK, UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE TO BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THEM ON THAT, BUT I IMAGINE THEY'LL BE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS AFTERNOON.

I THINK TALKING TO THE APPLICANT PROBABLY WOULD BE A DECISION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

UM, JUST TO BE SURE AND, UM, CONSIDERATION OF OTHER CONVERSATIONS HAD TODAY, THIS IS A BUDDING, A CEMETERY CORRECTLY.

THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION.

SAID THAT WORD AT THIS BODY.

SO CAN, CAN I JUST CLARIFY NIGHTMARE TOO, PLEASE.

THAT THE ONLY, THE ONLY, UM, PORTION OF THIS OPERATION THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE SUP IS THE ALCOHOL ALCOHOL SALE ELEMENT.

SO THEY CAN BRING THEIR CONVENIENCE STORE AND THEIR FUEL PUMPS INTO OPERATION, WHETHER THEY HAVE THIS SUP OR NOT.

SO IT'S, IT, THOSE THINGS ARE FACTORS THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

IT IS ONLY THE ALCOHOL SALE COMPONENT BECAUSE IT'S IN A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.

AND, AND JUST, UH, I'M GONNA JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE CHRONOLOGY WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS STAFF IS WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS, CLEARLY THERE WAS ISSUES WITH, WITH THIS LOCATION, JUST LIKE THERE ARE IN MANY THAT WE SEE, UH, AND JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE COUPLE HUNDRED THAT I'VE WORKED, THESE, THEY DO TEND TO CHANGE IN THAT TIME PERIOD AFTER STAFF SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE FOUND THESE SEVEN THINGS, YOU BETTER GET 'EM IN ORDER BEFORE HE GETS TO CPC QUITE FREQUENTLY.

WE, THEY DO, IN FACT, PROBABLY 99% OF THE TIME, AND UNFORTUNATELY ON, ON THIS CASE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, UM, INTERESTING STORY ABOUT THE FIRE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS IN THE, IN THE NEWSPAPER AND THESE OTHER THINGS.

SO I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A DISGRUNTLED EMPLOYEE OR SOMETHING THAT, YEAH.

UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE BACKSTORY HERE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, FIRST OF ALL, MS. SAHE, I WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE EXTREMELY THOROUGH ANALYSIS YOU DID OF THE, UM, SITUATION THAT YOU FOUND ON THIS SIDE.

I THINK THIS IS THE MOST THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF SHORTCOMINGS AT A SITE THAT I'VE EVER SEEN.

UM, BUT TO GO TO A QUESTION, UH, I PUT IT AS A QUESTION.

I, I GUESS I'M NOT, WHY ARE WE EVEN ENTERTAINING A POSSIBILITY OF AN APPROVAL WHEN THE RULES FOR A GRANTING AN SUP REQUIRE THAT A PROPERTY BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE CODES AND REGULATIONS? AND WE KNOW CLEARLY THAT THEY ARE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT PASSED THEIR 12 B INSPECTION.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT'S IN THIS REPORT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD AT THIS POINT WITH A FIRE, BUT IF THEY, WE HAVE ASKED THAT, IN FACT, THESE CASES NOT COME TO US IF THESE PLACES HAVE NOT PASSED THEIR 12 B INSPECTION.

SO, UH, WE HAVE THAT DEFICIENCY.

WE HAVE LANDSCAPING, WE HAVE UNPERMITTED, UM, ADDITIONS.

UM, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TECHNICALLY WE COULD EVEN LEGALLY APPROVE THIS SUP.

SO, SO IF THIS WERE A APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUP MM-HMM.

OR FOR A RENEWAL STANDARD RENEWAL MM-HMM.

, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE READY WITHOUT A C-STORE LICENSE.

AND SHORTENING THE TIMELINE.

BUT THE, THE CODE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

UM, AND, UM, BUT HAVEN'T THEY FAILED THAT ALREADY? I MEAN, AREN'T WE OUT OF THAT? SO, SO ON A STANDARD RENEWAL OR A, A NEW APPLICATION, WE WOULD WAIT IT OUT.

WE WOULD HAVE THE LUXURY OF WAITING FOR THEM TO DO THE COMPLIANCE PIECE.

BUT FOR AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, THE CODE ACTUALLY SAYS AT THE END OF THE 21 DAY NOTIFICATION PERIOD, IF STAFF FINDS THE SITE NOT TO MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THE SUP, IT MUST BE FORWARDED TO CPC AND COUNSEL FOR FURTHER ACTION.

WE, WE, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE, WE'RE CLEARLY SORT OF REASSESSING

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THIS IS SORT OF, THIS APPLICANT EVEN ACTUALLY ASKED US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU DOING SUVS, AUTO RENEWALS DIFFERENTLY NOW? MM-HMM.

AND SO WE WERE BASICALLY EXPLAINING, YES, WE'RE COMPRESSING THE PROCESS BASED ON WHAT THE CODE SAYS, AND IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE US THE LIBERTY AS AT THE STAFF LEVEL TO JUST GIVE CONTINUED EXTENSIONS.

RIGHT? SO WE'RE, WE ARE BASICALLY REQUIRED TO BRING IT TO YOU WHETHER IT'S DONE OR NOT.

AND THEN, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, NO, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE, THEY FAILED THE AUTO RENEWAL PROCESS.

WE ARE OUT OF THAT AND WE'RE BACK INTO, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO EXTENDED? SURE.

SO AGAIN, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE MITIGATING FACTOR OF THE FIRE, THAT THAT'S WHAT IT COMES BACK TO.

AND, AND IF THE FIRE HADN'T HAPPENED, WE WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED DENIAL.

AND IF THEY HAD BROUGHT IT INTO COMPLIANCE BY THE TIME WE GOT TO CPC, WE WOULD'VE BRIEFED RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

BUT BECAUSE OF THAT WEIRD FIRE THING, IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE BRINGING IT AND SAYING, Y'ALL GET TO DECIDE.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT QUESTION.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ON ENSUES.

UM, I BELIEVE YOU REPORTED THAT ON ONE OF YOUR VISITS TO THE PROPERTY THERE WERE SOME GAMING MACHINES THAT WERE NOT ALLOWED? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, DURING THE INITIAL SITE VISIT, WE DID NOTICE GAMING MACHINES INSIDE THE STORES.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF, WELL, IT BEING ONE OF MY FIRST AUTO RENEWALS, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A DISCOVERY.

AND THEN FROM, UH, STAFF SUPPORT, WE FIGURED OUT THAT THE CO REMARKS THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE NOTED.

SO DID THAT INFLUENCE YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND CAN WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OR IS THAT NOT? SO AFTER WE SENT THE FEEDBACK LETTER TO THE APPLICANT, THEY DID REMOVE THE GAMING MACHINES, BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CONDUCT THAT FINAL INSPECTION.

UM, SO YEAH, YOU, YOU CAN TAKE ANY OF IT INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE.

WE'RE JUST GIVING IT AS BACKGROUND AND THAT IS ONE PIECE THAT THEY DID COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH RESPECT TO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

SO WE'LL GO BACK AND PICK UP OUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

I THINK THESE ARE ARE BRIEFED BY REQUEST.

DO WE NEED, DOES ANYBODY LIKE ANY YES.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT? THE FIRST ONE? YEAH, PLEASE.

THIS, THIS FIRST ONE.

THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, KIND OF SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE, UH, DISTRICT.

GOOD MORNING.

ALRIGHT, THIS IS CASE D 2 23.

IT IS A REQUEST FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS ON APPROXIMATELY 12.87 ACRES.

IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE.

IT'S IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 21 SUBDISTRICT, SS DASH ONE A SOUTH STONE.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF COUNT WISDOM ROAD AND MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY.

UM, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITH 234 DWELLING UNITS.

UM, THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE, SURFACE PARK IS PARKING, SOME PRIVATE PARKING GARAGE, JUST INDIVIDUAL ONES AND THEN ALSO SOME CARPORTS, UM, THAT THE TENANTS CAN RENT OUT.

AND THEN ALSO SITE AMENITIES.

HERE'S THE AREA, THE AREA MAP THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY, UM, KIND OF TO THE EAST.

WE HAVE, UH, ALSO PD 5 21 DISTRICTS.

UM, REALLY ALL AROUND.

WE HAVE 5 21 ITSELF.

IF YOU LOOK KIND OF NORTHWEST, WE HAVE, UH, ANOTHER PD, WHICH IS 1 0 1.

HERE'S THE ZONING MAP.

HERE'S

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HERE IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, SHOWING THE LAYOUT OF THE, THE DIFFERENT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ON SITE AS WELL AS THE CAR PARKS HIGH HIGHLIGHTED.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN WHITE.

THE GRAY IS FOR THE PARKING, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CAR PARKS IN WHITE.

HERE'S PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.

UM, MS. BLUE, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS SITE.

IT'S A, A VERY EXCITING, UM, SITE IN THIS CORRIDOR, ALTHOUGH THERE'S MILLIONS OF MULTIFAMILY ALREADY THERE.

THIS WAS ALREADY PLANNED IN THE PD, UM, TO BE AN AFFORDABLE UNIT, UM, AND BUILD OUT.

SO WE'RE HAPPY THAT THIS DEVELOPER'S ON BOARD AND BUILDING IT.

THE QUESTION IS, THERE'S A CREEK ON SITE THAT'S, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH A FLOODPLAIN.

UM, HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SAVING THIS CREEK? YES, SINCE IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN, THERE'S NO STRUCTURES PROHIBITED IN THAT CREEK.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY RESIDENTIAL, UH, THAT'S ON ANY BOUNDARIES OF THE LOT, THERE IS A 20 FOOT ADDITIONAL SETBACK FOR, UH, THOSE AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST KEEP THAT GREEN SPACE.

UM, SECOND QUESTION AND PROBABLY LAST, UM, WE'VE UM, SECOND TO LAST QUESTION.

UM, THE FAC, I KNOW WE CAN'T DETERMINE MATERIALS AND THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT THERE, BUT HAVE THERE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THE FACADE OR THE, THE ATTENTION TO THE FACADE OF THESE, UM, BUILDINGS WILL BE IN RELATION TO THE AREA UHHUH? NO SIR.

I DIDN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO, UH, TALK ABOUT ANYTHING.

AND OF COURSE THAT'LL BE HANDLED AT PERMITTING TOO.

IF THERE'S ANY REGULATIONS.

AND THANK YOU.

AND LASTLY, DID YOU HEAR ANY COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, UM, EITHER NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE IN, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS CASE? NO SIR, I DIDN'T.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

COMMISSIONER BLA UM, I HAVE A QUESTION WHEN, IF YOU COULD GO TO UM, TWO DASH SIX AND THEN MAKE IT BIG FOR THE BLIND.

THIS ONE, UHHUH .

MAKE IT BIG FOR THE BLIND LIKE ME, .

WHEN YOU SEE, IS THAT THE CREEK? IS THE CREEK ON THE GO UP ON THE BOTTOM? THE BOTTOM.

OH, IT'S BACKWARDS ON, ON YOUR PAGE.

UM, ON THE RIGHT THERE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE EITHER PARKING OR DOES THAT, DOES THAT, DOES THAT, THE CREEK DOES.

YOU SAID THERE WAS A 20 FOOT SETBACK.

IS THAT ONLY FOR WHERE? IT WAS NEAR THE CREEK.

AND THERE'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK ALONG HERE, WHICH, UM, WHICH IS IN THE CREEK.

AND THEN ALSO ALONG HERE, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL HERE TOO, UH, THAT RUNS ALONG THE PROPERTY.

MM-HMM, .

UM, SO THAT RETAINING WALL, THAT, THAT IS WHEN YOU GO TO THE FURTHEST TO TO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, TO THE RIGHT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A LITTLE PIECE OF THE CREEK THAT IS EITHER UNDER THE RETAINING WALL OR IT TOUCHES THE RE RIGHT HERE.

THIS BOTTOM PART? YES.

MM-HMM, , DOES THAT IMPEDE THE, THE FLOW OF WATER ON THAT CREEK? DOES IT IMPEDE THE FLOW OF WATER ON THAT? OH NO MA'AM.

SO IT, DOES IT TOUCH THE CREEK? IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T.

I ACTUALLY, WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH ENGINEERING IT AND IT DOESN'T TOUCH THE CREEK.

UM, THE WAY THE RETAINING WALL IS LAID OUT HERE, IT KIND OF LOOKED LIKE THE CREEK GOES INTO IT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY SET, SO.

SO IT'S NOT GONNA INTERFERE ANY FLOW OF THE CREEK.

MEMBERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, UM, MS. BLUE, I JUST HAD SOME QUICK QUESTIONS ON NUMBER FOUR.

UM, D 2 23 0 1 2.

I DON'T NEED A BRIEFING ON IT UNLESS ANYONE ELSE UHHUH DOES.

UM, YOU SENT OUT A LANDSCAPE PLAN THIS MORNING THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE DOCKET, RIGHT? CORRECT.

UM, I DO APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT.

UM, D 2 2, 3, 0, 11 AND 12 ARE VERY SIMILAR.

UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON THE SAME LOT BUT IN TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

AND SO WHEN I WAS CREATING THE STAFF REPORT, UM, I GUESS I WAS LOOKING AT BOTH OF THEM.

AND FOUR D 2 23 DASH 0 1 12 LANDSCAPE WAS ONLY TRIGGERED IF THEY INCREASE FLOOR AREA OF 200.

SO WE DID CATCH THAT DURING THE REVIEW, BUT AS I WAS PREPARING FOR THE CASE IN THE DOCKET, I DID LEAVE IT OUT.

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I DO WANNA APOLOGIZE.

UM, THAT'S WHY I SENT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN LAST NIGHT.

I JUST NOTICED LAST NIGHT, I SENT IT LAST NIGHT.

BUT I THINK WE CAME UP WITH SOME KIND OF RESO RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY, UH, PRESENT THAT FOR THE NEXT CPC AND JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, FOR THAT, THAT CASE FOR TODAY.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY, ARE THEY COMFORTABLE WITH US MOVING? YES, SIR.

I SENT HIM AN EMAIL.

HE WAS VERY GRACE GRACEFUL THAT I SENT HIM AN EMAIL AND TOLD HIM WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I THINK THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

'CAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE A PERMITTING REVIEW.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

AND SO IF THEY COULD GET THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THROUGH, THROUGH CPC TODAY, THEN THEY CAN START PERMITTING AND THEN THEY, WE CAN WORK OUR WAY THROUGH WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

SO WE SHOULD SEE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

THANKS EVERYONE.

SINCE WE'RE GONNA DO THE, THE FOUR DALLAS PIECE, LET'S JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK TO ALLOW OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THEIR CAMERAS ARE ON.

AND, UH, AT 1135 WE'LL COME BACK ON COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE GONNA GET BACK ON THE RECORD TO ACKNOWLEDGE OF SPECIAL GUEST.

COUNCILMAN .

HAVE A WARM SEAT FOR YOU, SIR.

, DON'T RUN AWAY.

TRYING TO STAY.

, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

UH, I SEE TOM IS ONLINE.

IS THAT TOM? THAT IS TOM.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HAWK.

IT IS 1139.

WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER.

SO, UH, I'VE ASKED, UH, MR. MOORE TO KIND OF, UH, START US OFF WITH AN EXPLANATION, UH, UH, IN REGARDS TO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING HERE AND WHAT EXACTLY CONSENSUS IS.

I THINK IT'S A FIRST FOR ME, SO I'M HOPING HE CAN KIND OF WALK US THROUGH EXACTLY JUST MECHANICALLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO THIS WAS NOT NOTICED AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND BECAUSE IT WASN'T A PUBLIC HEARING, THAT MEANS THAT THE BODY CANNOT TAKE A, AN OFFICIAL VOTE ON ANYTHING.

BUT DURING THE BRIEFING YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU THINK AND FROM THAT STAFF CAN START TO GLEAN, UM, SOME DIRECTION THAT THE BODY WANTS TO GO.

BUT OF COURSE, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE UNDERLYING ITEM, YOU CAN VOTE ANYWHERE YOU WANT.

ANYTHING YOU SAY ISN'T BINDING ON, UH, YOUR VOTE LATER ON DOWN THE LINE WHEN FORWARD DALLAS PROPER COMES BEFORE THE BODY.

DOES THAT HELP MR. CHAIR? UH, IT DOES, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST PAUSE A MOMENT.

WE HAVE ONE MISSING COMMISSIONER, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO BE HERE 'CAUSE I KNOW SHE WOULD WANT TO BE HERE.

UH, SO IS THERE NO, NO QUORUM.

OH, GOT GO.

I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE LIKE ONES WHO WERE WANTING TO BE HERE, I GONNA BE HOME OR WON'T BE AVAILABLE.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN.

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COMMISSIONERS, UH, MR. MOORE, SORRY, JUST VERY BRIEF, UH, COMMENT AGAIN ABOUT WHAT CONSENSUS IS AND HOW WE'RE GONNA REACH IT.

SO THIS WAS NOT ADVERTISED AS A PUBLIC HEARING, THEREFORE, UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE BODY CANNOT VOTE ON IT.

HOWEVER, YOU'RE FREE TO SAY WHAT YOU THINK AND FROM THAT STAFF CAN GLEAN SORT OF THE DIRECTION OF THE BODY.

BUT ANYTHING YOU SAY TODAY DOESN'T BIND YOU WHEN YOU ACTUALLY, WHEN THE BODY ACTUALLY VOTES ON FORWARD DALLAS IN THE UPCOMING MEETINGS.

IS THAT HELPFUL, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS OF WHICH WAY TO GO AS STAFF MAKES THOSE UPDATES AND CHANGES.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER STAFF NEEDS GUIDANCE.

I THINK THERE ARE ROUGHLY EIGHT OR SO THINGS WHERE, UH, WE KIND OF NEED TO HONE IN ON WHAT STAFF, UH, NEEDS TO PREPARE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 17TH.

SO, READY FOR YOU, GENTLEMEN.

NOW, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE PLAN DOCUMENT AS WE'RE REVIEWING CLUB'S VERSION, UH, IN TERMS OF WHICH DIRECTION AND WHICH UPDATES TO MAKE.

UH, SO OUR TEAM IS WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES MAKING A LOT OF THOSE CHANGES, BUT THERE ARE FEW, WE JUST NEED A BIT MORE CLARITY IN TERMS OF WHICH WAY TO GO.

SO WE CAN COM COMPLETE, UH, A COM, A COMPLETED DOCUMENT FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE, UH, BY JUNE 17TH.

UH, THAT'S GONNA BE, IT IS A TENTATIVE DATE, SO YOU ALL CAN THEN REVIEW IT AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE A VOTE OR RECOMMENDATION AND SOME MORE INPUT ON, ON THAT DOCUMENT.

SO AS WE CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE'RE GONNA HONE IN ON, UH, SEVEN QUESTIONS.

UH, WE SEND YOU ALL A, UH, A SLIDE DECK, UM, JUST TO KINDA GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT WE'RE GONNA HONE IN ON TODAY, UH, A FEW ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO, UH, GET SOME CLARITY ON.

SO ON THE SLIDE, UH, THAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN, THIS WAS EMAILED TO US AS WELL.

UH, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO TOUCH ON AND FOCUS ON AND GET SOME CLARITY AS WE, UM, MAKE SOME EDITS OF THE DOCUMENT.

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE THAT THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY SUPPORTING USE, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL IN TERMS OF THE NEXT FEW ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON HERE, UH, WHICH IS DETERMINING, UH, WHICH LAND USES SHOULD BE SUPPORTING AND PRIMARY.

SO WE WANNA GET THAT CLEAR, UH, FROM THIS BODY IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS OR SHOULD BE.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, GETTING MORE CLARITY IN TERMS OF WHICH, UH, LAND USES ARE SUPPORTING OR PRIMARY IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

W I'M SO SORRY.

JUST, UH, MY APOLOGIES, UH, MY FAULT.

JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ITEMS ARE, ARE NOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CLUB TECHNICALLY THE CLUB RECOMMENDATION.

AND IN FACT, WHAT'S ON THE TABLE TODAY IS THE CLUB RECOMMENDATION.

AND WE, IT NEED TO DEVIATE FROM THAT NEEDS A MOTION.

AND SO THESE SEVEN, EIGHT ITEMS, UH, COULD HAVE BEEN ONE COMMISSIONER THAT SAYS, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? IT COULD HAVE BEEN 10, RIGHT? IT COULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNITY INPUT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ITEMS ARE HOW THEY WERE BORN.

A HUNDRED PERCENT.

SORRY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

SO THE, THE EYES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, AS WE'VE HAD OUR CONVERSATIONS THROUGH THESE WORKSHOPS, WE'VE HAD INPUT IN TERMS OF LET'S LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE.

LET'S LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

UH, BUT FOR STAFF, THERE WASN'T CLARITY ON WHICH WAY TO GO WITH THAT.

SO THESE ARE KIND OF A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THOSE ITEMS OR DISCUSSION POINTS THAT WE HAD EARLIER.

JUST WASN'T CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHERE TO GO.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GET CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHERE TO GO.

AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE SHARE TODAY REGARDING EACH OF THESE ITEMS, THIS IS A TIME TO DISCUSS THAT.

'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYBODY'S OPINION, EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS, AND COME, COME TO A, A CONSENSUS WHICH WAY TO GO.

'CAUSE THIS NEXT UPDATE, THIS IS YOUR UPDATE, THIS IS THE CPC, UH, DRAFT PLAN THAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THIS BODY.

[02:00:01]

SO THANK YOU CHAIR FOR THAT, UH, CLARIFICATION.

SO AS WE DO TALK THROUGH THE PLAN, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE DEFINITIONS AT THE BEGINNING, UM, THAT'S GONNA HELP TO INFORM, UH, SOME PLACE TYPE LAND USES, UH, THAT WE WANT TO GET SOME CLARITY ON.

UH, EARLIER ON IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THESE WORKSHOPS, I THINK THERE WAS JUST MISUNDERSTANDING IN TERMS OF, UH, THE PLACE TYPE MATRIX, WHAT WAS PRIMARY OR OR SECONDARY.

AND I THINK A LOT OF THE EARLIER SUGGESTIONS THAT WE HEARD, UH, MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF MAYBE THE, THE BODY'S UNDERSTANDING TODAY.

SO WE JUST WANNA BE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT, THAT IS, HOW WE'RE APPLYING THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

UH, ADDITIONALLY JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE REST OF THESE, UH, THE LANGUAGE IN SOME OF THE OTHER PARTS OF THIS DOCUMENT.

SPECIFICALLY, UM, IN IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX, UH, REGARDING HOUSING.

UH, THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, HOW THE A DU ACTION ITEM IS BEING WORDED.

SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT.

UH, THERE ARE SOME FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF HOW WE APPLY TOD TYPOLOGIES IN THE PLAN.

WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT AND GET YOUR INSIGHTS AND YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON, UM, A WAY OF ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE, UH, INPUTS THAT WE RECEIVED.

UH, THOSE DISCUSSION ALSO ABOUT, UH, THE DEFINITIONS OF MID, LOW AND HIGH RISE.

UH, SO WE GONNA TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, GET SOME INPUT RE REGARDING THAT.

AND THEN ALSO TOO LASTLY, IF WE GET TO, TO TOUCH ON THIS, AS WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, UM, HISTORIC, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, UM, AND NSOS, THE UTILIZATION OF THE TERM, YOU KNOW, SELF-DETERMINATION WAS AN ITEM THAT, UH, THAT GOT BROUGHT UP.

SO IF WE HAVE TIME TO, TO TALK TO ON THAT, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO KIND DELVE INTO WHAT WE, UM, HAD ANALYZED AND WHAT THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE GETTING AND SEE HOW THIS BODY WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

SO IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT QUICK OVERVIEW, UM, WE'LL KIND OF GO STRAIGHT INTO OUR DISCUSSION.

AND I'VE REARRANGED SOME OF THESE, UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THE, THE, SOME OF THE ITEMS ON HERE, UH, SPEAK TO THE OTHER SUBSEQUENT ITEMS OR FOLLOWING ITEMS. SO, UM, THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OUTTA ORDER VERSUS WHAT WE SENT YOU ALL, BUT STILL THE SAME ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TODAY.

SO FIRST, THE DEFINITIONS OR THE PROPOSED DEFINITIONS OF PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING USE IN THE DOCUMENT.

SO THE CLUB VERSION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU ALL, UH, DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXPLICITLY LAID OUT.

UH, SO THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS BODY, UH, STAFF AND OUR PROJECT TEAM DEVELOPED, UH, WHAT COULD BE, UH, USABLE DEFINITION.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS SAYING AND WHAT, UH, HOW IT'S GONNA BE USED MOVING FORWARD.

SO FOR PRIMARY USE, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED, OR EXCUSE ME, THE, THE POTENTIAL DEFINITION WOULD BE, UM, THE MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USE THAT PLAYS A PIVOTAL ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING THE PLAY TYPE.

UH, SUPPORTING USE WOULD BE THE LESS PREVALENT USE THAT SERVES TO SUPPORT THE PRIMARY USE IN A PLACE TYPE.

SO IN ADDITION TO JUST SHOWING THIS SLIDE, I WANTED JUST TO ALSO JUST, UH, ADD AN ADDITIONAL SLIDE, JUST KIND OF SHOW THE COMPARISON IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CLUB RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT TO REVIEW AND WHAT FOR DALLAS OH SIX HAS OR, OR HASN'T.

UH, SO THE CPC IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIAL UPDATE WAS, UH, THOSE TWO TERMS AND DEFINITIONS THAT I JUST ELABORATED ON.

UH, AGAIN, CLUB, THERE WAS NO DEFINITION, UM, THAT WAS PROVIDED.

AND IN FOR DALLAS, UH, IT TOUCHES ON SIMILAR WORDS REGARDING PRIMARILY, UH, BUT THERE IS NO GLOSSARY THAT HAS THAT DEFINED AND IT DOESN'T DEFINE IT IN THE TEXT.

UH, AND ALSO TO ANCILLARY SUPPORT USES, WHICH WOULD BE CLOSE TO THE SUPPORTING USES, THERE'S NO DEFINITION IN THAT AS WELL.

SO AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SET OF TERMS WOULD BE DEFINED AS, JUST WANT TO COMPARE IT TO WHAT, UH, THE CURRENT DOCUMENT, UH, HAS OR HASN'T AND WHAT FOUR DALLAS OH SIX HAS.

UH, SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE, UH, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

VICE CHAIR.

WE, I, I'M SOMEONE WHO CARES A LOT ABOUT WORDS, SO I'M WONDERING IF SUPPORTING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO GET AT THROUGH THIS SORT OF CATEGORY TWO.

I AGREE PRIMARY ADDRESSES SOMETHING THAT IS MORE PREVALENT, SUPPORTING ADDRESSES, SOMETHING

[02:05:01]

THAT IS AS DRAFTED RIGHT NOW, ADDRESSES SOMETHING THAT IS LESS PREVALENT.

I COULD SEE THE, SOME OF THE LESS PREVALENT USES EITHER SUPPORTING THE PRIMARY USES ARE ALSO COMPLIMENTING THE PRIMARY USES.

LET ME JUST TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY, IT'S OKAY.

MY THING OUT.

UM, CITY RESIDENTIAL WHERE THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICES ARE IN THERE AS A SUPPORTING USE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALLOW A COFFEE SHOP, A BARBER SHOP, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE AND YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL USES OR PRIMARY WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE SUPPORT IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT WORD TO DESCRIBE WHAT THOSE OTHER USES WOULD BE.

YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE A PARK, A COMMUNITY CENTER MIGHT SUPPORT THE RESIDENTIAL IN MY VIEW, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE MAY COMPLIMENT THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO MAYBE TO EITHER SUPPORT OR COMPLIMENT THE MORE PREVALENT LAND USES.

AND I MAY, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO THE TITLE MAY BE A PRIMARY USE OR A SECONDARY USE MIGHT, MIGHT BE THE, THE BETTER DISTINCTION TO DRAW THERE.

NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YES MA'AM.

SO WE'RE BUILDING HOMES THAT ARE HAVING NO LOT LINE IS BUILT TO THE LOT LINE OR MINIMUM FIVE FOOT SETBACKS, BUT IT DOES NOT HELP A COMMUNITY.

WERE THERE.

AND TO THAT, I THINK THAT DURING THE TIME THAT WE WERE DOING OUR AREA PLAN, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP WAS, FIRST OF ALL BEING A COSMETOLOGIST.

UM, AND HAVING, UM, AND YOUNG LADIES, UH, ESPECIALLY, UM, THAT I KNOW ARE NOW GETTING INTO MASSAGES THAT MASSAGE ARE NOT, ESPECIALLY PD 5 95 SAYS MASSAGES, TATTOO PARLORS ARE OUTLAWED.

WELL, WE WENT IN AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT THEM TO BE AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, BECAUSE THEY FALL WITHIN THE SAME, UM, SAME TYPE OF PERSONAL SERVICE.

SO A STANDALONE MASSAGE PARLOR MIGHT WOULD BE NO, BUT IF IT'S A NAIL SHOP, A BARBER SHOP, A, A SALON, THEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED AND BE ABLE TO BE PUT IN INTO THAT USE TYPE.

I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR LAND USE STATEMENT, WHERE IN THE PAST, WELL WE STILL SAID WE DON'T THE TATTOO PARLOR, WE NECESSARILY DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE A PART BECAUSE OF THAT.

MAYBE ONE TATTOO PARLOR WHO WILL TATTOO SOMETHING DEAD IN THE CENTER OF A KID'S HEAD AND, AND WE CAN'T CHANGE IT.

UM, AND THEN TO PLACE TYPES, UM, UM, I, THE RECOMMENDATION, I HAD A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, WITH US HAVING SO MANY VACANT CITY LOTS WITHIN SOUTH DALLAS AND D SEVEN, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT, UM, THERE COULD BE GREATER IMPACT ON, ON D SEVEN THAN OTHER AREAS.

THE LANGUAGE ABOUT INFIELD PROPERTIES SHOULD BE REMOVED AND IT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO CPC AND CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE IF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD FOR SURROUNDING AREAS.

ALSO TO LANGUAGE TO BE REMOVED IS VACANT PROPERTIES OR THOSE WITHIN ACTIVE LAND USES PRESENTING OPPORTUNITY FOR THOUGHTFUL IN, IN BLOCK INFIELD DEVELOPMENT, ALIGNED FOR INTEGRATION OF MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, SUCH AS ALSO REPRESENTING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL LOCAL PARKS AND OPEN SPACE AMENITIES.

UM, ALSO THERE SHOULD BE, UH, LANGUAGE ABOUT THE DESIGN OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE.

MORE HOUSING SHOULD, SHOULDN'T BE JUST ABOUT ROOFTOPS, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT BUILDING COMMUNITIES.

IF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTH DALLAS, IT SHOULD BE, SHOULDN'T MATTER THAT THEY, THAT THEY BUILD COMMUNITY.

THERE SHOULD BE GREEN SPACES FOR KIDS TO PLAY.

DOORS SHOULD FACE THE STREET HOW THE BUILDINGS ARE, UH, ASSESSED IN AND PARDON.

WHEREAS WE, WE SEE THAT WE DO NEED MISSING MIDDLE.

UM, BUT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'M HAVING WITH THOSE, THOSE LEADERS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS IN SOUTH DALLAS IS WE, WE WOULD NOT MIND TOWN HOMES, BUT WE DO NOT WANT THE SHARED ACCESS TOWN HOMES WHERE YOU ARE WALKING OUT THE DOOR TO THE AN ALLEY PRETTY MUCH AND YOU, YOUR CHILDREN HAVE NOWHERE TO PLAY.

WE WANT MORE TOWN HOMES THAT FACE STREETS OR SHARED ACCESSES IN THE CENTER WHEN AT ALL POSSIBLE.

UM, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE COMMUNITY TYPE OF BILL LOOKING INTO WHERE DEVELOPERS WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF THAT IS A, IF THERE IS A A, UM, A, A TOWN HOME CONDO TYPE BILL AND, AND IT'S FAMILY ORIENTED, WHERE IS THAT GREEN SPACE OR SOMETHING FOR WHERE CHILDREN CAN PLAY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NOT IN PROXIMITY TO PARKS.

[02:10:01]

IT'S NOT COMMUNITY DRIVEN.

UM, WE NEED TO PRIOR THOSE CHANGES, UM, TO THE ZONING CODES SOONER THAN LATER SO THAT WE CAN START TO SEE BETTER DESIGNS WITH OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT.

NOT EVERY PROPERTY IS GOING TO WORK FOR EVERY HOUSING TYPE.

WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT DIFFERENT TYPES MIGHT WORK.

AFFORDABILITY IS IMPORTANT.

HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT PEOPLE CAN STAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY, UM, AND THE AREAS WHERE IS RECOMMENDED HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES BE TRANSITIONED TO LESS INTENSE USES OR MIXED USES.

FOR EXAMPLE, PY UM, I'VE WORKED WITH JOI OF LATELY AND GAVE THEM RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY HAD NEVER HEARD OF.

WE ARE NOT ALWAYS IN, UM, WE, PDS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS WANNA CREATE, BUT THERE'S AREAS THAT NEED PDS.

DO WE NEED TO OUTLAW ALL INDUSTRIAL CLOSE BY? I DON'T THINK SO, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A BATCH PLANT THAT IS, THAT IS LABELED AS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT THE IMPACT IS HEAVY, THEN WE NEED TO REDEFINE WHAT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND HOW DO WE IMPACT THOSE COMMUNITIES AROUND IT.

DO I, AND WHEN I TALK WITH JY, I, I 100% TOLD THEM THERE IS, I CAN'T SAY BECAUSE THERE'S A CABINET MAKER WHO, WHO'S JUST LITERALLY CLOSED DOWN, BUT THEY HAD BEEN THERE FOR, I'M 47 SO I'M GONNA SAY 47 PLUS YEARS.

BUT I, BEFORE THERE WAS A HOME DEPOT, EVEN AFTER HOME DEPOT, WE WENT TO THEM TO GET CABINETS.

THEY MADE 'EM ON SITE THAT IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

WHEN THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WERE MORE, THEY WERE LIKE, WELL WE CAN SEE THAT TYPE.

AND SO REDEFINING AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES, UM, AND AREAS, UM, IT SHOULD BE CLEAR IN THE PLAN THAT THESE AREAS SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR THE CITY INITIATED REZONING.

THESE AREAS ARE LARGELY THROUGHOUT SOUTH AND SOUTHERN DALLAS AND WEST DALLAS.

THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF SOONER THAN LATER.

THEY MAY ALSO NEED MORE DETAILED PLANS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST TRANSITION THE AREAS THE COMMUNITY HAS TO BE INVOLVED.

UM, I, I AM ALL FOR MORE ROOFTOPS.

I'M ALL FOR SOME, I GREW UP, MY MOTHER HAD A FOURPLEX.

MY GRANDMOTHER MOVED FROM HOUSTON, LIVED IN A FOURPLEX, LITERALLY STILL ON MY CREDIT REPORT 'CAUSE SHE'S MY MOTHER, SO SHE'S ALWAYS IN RELATION.

SO I UNDERSTAND FOURPLEX THE CONCERN IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, WE DO WANT SOME, SOME MULTI, YOU KNOW, SOME SMALL, UM, MULTIFAMILY TYPE.

BUT THE AFFORDABILITY IS GOING TO BE, DEVELOPERS ARE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN ON PRICING.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRIPLE, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT WHAT THAT, THAT TAX BRACKET IS.

SO THAT HEALTHY REFERRAL OF BEING ABLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME WAY WE CAN STILL DECIDE ON, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THAT OR YOU'RE GONNA MAXIMIZE TO THE FULL LEVEL WITHOUT ANY IMPACT FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN BUILD A PRODUCT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE WILL ONLY BE COMING AND GOING.

THEY NEVER WILL HAVE ACCESS.

THEY WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO NECESSARILY SEE THEIR NEIGHBOR UNTIL THEY'RE PASSING BY AND GOING.

AND THESE CONCRETE JUNGLES THAT DEVELOPERS ARE MAKING WITH ABSOLUTELY, WITH TOWN HOME DISTRICTS WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE LOT LINED.

THEIR, THEIR GREEN SPACES ARE SO LIMITED THAT A CHILD, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A CHILD TO ENJOY, UM, THE, THEIR COMMUNITY AND GROW UP.

WE'RE NOT BUILDING FOR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE BUILDING FOR PEOPLE TO JUST LIVE AND GO.

UM, AND WE HAVE TO BE IN DALLAS.

WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO, IF I BUY A HOUSE AT AT 25, WILL MY CHILDREN BE A PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NEXT 30, 40, 50, MY GRANDKIDS COME BACK.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE BUILDING THOSE TYPE OF COMMUNITIES ANYMORE.

WE'RE BUILDING FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND GO.

NONE.

FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

AND WE SHARED, I WANT TO JUST, JUST KINDA GET US BACK TO KIND OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE JUST HAVE QUESTIONS ON.

SO I THINK THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR ALL, ALL THOSE COMMENTS.

I WOULD SAY TOO, I THINK AS YOU'RE WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, PATRICK ON THE AREA PLAN, UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SENDING US THOSE COMMENTS TOO AS WELL.

JUST, I THINK A LOT, IT KIND OF TIES INTO WITH A LOT WHAT WE'VE HEARD TOO TODAY.

BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DOCUMENT AND HAVE A WAY OF IMPLEMENTING WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

I WANNA TOUCH ON ONE THING YOU MENTIONED, UM, IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND DESIGN STANDARDS.

UH, SO ALL, I THINK THROUGH THIS BODY, THROUGH THE LAST FEW WORKSHOPS, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF, UH, THE MEMBERS MENTIONED THAT WE WANNA SEE DEVELOPED OR KIND OF EMPHASIZE A BIT MORE.

OUR TEAM IS GONNA BE WORKING ON IMPLEMENTING THAT, UH, IN THE PLAN DOCUMENT IN TERMS OF AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, TOUCHING ON DESIGN STANDARDS AND, AND HOW DIFFERENT, HOW THESE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES, UH, SHOULD BE, UM, ALLOWING OR KIND OF FORMING WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL COMPONENT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR WHAT WE DEVELOP, UH, IN, IN THE UPDATE, UH, FOR TODAY.

JUST THOSE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE

[02:15:01]

'CAUSE WE HAVE LIMITED TIME WITH YOU TODAY.

SO I WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE, THE FUTURE COMMENTS AND THAT WE HAVE, AND THE FEEDBACK IS SPECIFIC TO THESE SEVEN ITEMS. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO, TO GET CLARITY ON.

BUT I THINK WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT LIST THAT YOU JUST PROVIDED, REALLY AWESOME COMMENTS.

UH, WE'D LOVE TO JUST HAVE THAT, UH, TO DOCUMENT AND ADDRESS MUCH WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

SO TH THIS IS THE ONE ITEM NOW THAT YOU NEED CONSENSUS ON? YES, PLEASE.

AND THEN, UH, YEAH.

UM, YES.

SO I THINK WE'RE DOING ITEM NUMBER.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN, THE PLACE TYPE, WHETHER, WHETHER TO WORDSMITH PRIMARY USE OR SUPPORTING USE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? IT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE.

I THINK YOU SENT THIS OUT, RIGHT? CORRECT.

I I, I AM SORRY.

I, THERE'S LOTS OF EMAILS FLYING AROUND.

I KNOW YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS SOMEWHERE.

SO THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE.

WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT DATE HE SENT THAT ON? SO WE CAN ALL OH, GOSH.

HAVE IT IN OUR FACE.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S, SORRY, I CAN'T, I CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I, I, AND LIKE HE SAID, THERE WAS SO MANY EMAILS, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YESTERDAY, MONDAY, AROUND ONE THIS, THIS LITTLE DOCUMENT OR OH, YEAH, THIS LIST.

I ACTUALLY ASKED HIM TO PREPARE THIS MAYBE YESTERDAY .

SO I WILL, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, I MEAN, ACTUALLY WE ALL HAVE THIS, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, IT'S, YEAH, I ASK LAWRENCE TO PREPARE LAST MINUTE.

SO WHO WAS IT SENT FROM FOR ME, FRANKLY, WHO WAS IT SENT FROM? UH, IT SHOULD BE FROM LAWRENCE, RIGHT.

AND FORM FROM OUR SEC, UH, SECRETARY.

MAYBE YESTERDAY, DAY BEFORE.

I DON'T KNOW.

SO IT'D BEEN LILIANA.

UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER.

SO YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT.

SO WE'RE ON NUMBER ONE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING USE.

OH, SURE.

NOT CARPENTER HOUSE, RIGHT? YESTERDAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO CIRCLE BACK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S COMMENTS.

I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S, UM, HE WAS DEFINITELY TOUCHING ON SOMETHING IMPORTANT THERE.

UH, FOR ME, I CAN SEE S THE TERM SUPPORTING USE CONFU CONFUSING THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

I COULD, YOU KNOW, IN ONE OF OUR HOT BUTTON ISSUES WITH MULTIPLEX AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, I COULD SEE A, A SINGLE FAMILY OWNER SAYING, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THE FOURPLEX OR A PLEX SUPPORTING, SUPPORTING ME? IT'S NOT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF USING, UM, MAYBE COMPLIMENTING, COMPLIMENTING USE.

UM, SO AGAIN, AND I'M NOT CLEAR, ARE WE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE SENTENCE THAT FOLLOWS THOSE TWO TERMS, PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING? OR ARE WE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT CHANGING UP OR ALL OF IT? SO TWO, TWO THINGS.

THE UP FOR GRABS, SO, UH, ONE, DEFINING WHAT THE PRIMARY OR SUPPORTING SECONDARY COMPLIMENTARY, WHATEVER SYNONYM WE WANT TO USE, UH, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK TODAY AS WELL.

UM, THAT THOSE, THAT DEFINITION AND THOSE TERMS ARE GONNA BE WHAT HELPS WITH THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, DISCUSS AND CLARIFY.

BUT, SO THE TERM AND THE DEFINITIONS ARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET CLARITY ON.

SO I'M, I'M OKAY MORE OR LESS WITH THE, THE SENTENCES.

UM, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF USING A DIFFERENT WORD AND MAYBE COMPLIMENTING USE IN, IN LIEU OF SUPPORTING.

UM, THAT SAYS, YOU CAN DO THIS BY JUST PULLING A PERMIT OR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR ZONING, OR YOU HAVE TO GET AN SUP.

UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND FOLLOW COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, ISSUE WITH THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY USE SUPPORTING USE.

I, I AGREE WITH, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT I MADE PREVIOUSLY.

I, I, I CAN SEE PEOPLE EASILY SAYING IN COMMUNITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL THAT SOME OF THESE DENSER PLACE TYPE, DENSER TYPES OF USES ARE NOT SUPPORTING IT.

UH, WHETHER IT'S SECONDARY USE OR COMPLIMENTARY USE, UH, IT'D BE LESS PREVALENT.

USE THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING, SUPPORTING THE PRIMARY LAND USE OF THE PLACE THAT MAYBE JUST COMPLIMENTS THE PLACE TYPE OR SUPPORTS THE PLACE TYPE.

I DON'T, OR, OR COMPLIMENTS THE PRIMARY LAND USE, BUT I, I WOULD DEFINITELY LOSE THE, THE SUPPORTING ALTOGETHER.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MOVING PART OF MY CONFUSION IS WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, AND IT SAYS, NOT EVERY PROPERTY MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE RANGE OF USES DESCRIBED BY PLACE TYPE, THEREFORE CPC AND CITY COUNCIL MAY MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE LEAST INTENSE LAND USE IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR A SPECIFIC PROPERTY OR AREA.

THEN I GO BACK TO THE OTHER AND I THINK, WELL, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE PRIMARY USES ARE THE ONLY USES THAT ARE BY RIGHT? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BEING PRESUMABLY THE LESS INTENSE LAND USES AND THAT SUPPORTING USES WILL, I GUESS, WHERE IS THE DIVIDING LINE? WHERE, WHERE IS THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN WHAT IS BY RIGHT? AND WHERE A ZONING PROCESS WILL, WILL, UM, BE INVOLVED.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S GONNA BE CLEAR ON THAT AT THE MOMENT.

SO, UM, THE, THE BY RIGHT, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S CHAPTER 51 A.

THOSE ARE, THAT'S THE LAND USE CHART,

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THAT'S JUST FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, THE MATRIX HERE SAYS, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT SAY, HERE ARE THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT COULD BE HAPPENING IN THIS PLACE.

TYPE HERE WOULD BE THE SECONDARY THINGS THAT COULD BE HAPPENING IN THE, IN THE PLACE TYPE.

IT'S NOT SAYING THAT IF A CASE COMES BEFORE YOU AND IT'S R SEVEN FIVE AND SOMEONE WANTS TO CHANGE IT TO BUILD A FOURPLEX, IT'S NOT SAYING, YES, THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CPC WOULD APPROVE AUTOMATICALLY BY.

RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLAN AND SAY, OKAY, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, IT'S, IT'S A SECONDARY LAND USE THAT IS A LESS PREVALENT LAND USE THAT SERVES TO COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USES.

DOES THAT MATCH THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION? IT'S NOT SAYING, YES, IT'S AN AUTOMATIC APPROVAL, OR NO, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC DENIAL.

IT'S SAYING THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN TAKE INTO FACTOR IN.

SO PART OF THE FRUSTRATION, UM, IN THE CURRENT FOR DALLAS IS SOME OF THESE TERMS AREN'T DEFINED.

A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS MORE VAGUE, WHERE IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE VERY CLEAR RESOLUTION AS TO A DIRECTION WHICH YOU COULD GO TO OR INFORMATION TO SAY, THIS IS THE REASON WHY I'M, WHY AM I'M VOTING THIS WAY? IT JUST IS A MORE VAGUE NOTIONS.

AND ALSO WITH THOSE TWO TERMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, THOSE NEED TO BE LOOKED AT, UM, IN THE VIEW OF THESE PLACE TYPES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS GONNA TOUCH ON THE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES.

WE HAVE THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE THE CITY RESIDENTIAL.

THOSE REPRESENT DIFFERENT SCALES OF RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY.

UH, THE SMALL TOWN IS MORE RURAL, UH, COMMUNITY IS FOCUSED MORE ON SINGLE FAMILY AND LOWER SCALE.

AND CITY RESIDENTIAL IS MORE THE APARTMENT, LARGER SCALE RESIDENTIAL.

SO AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THESE LANE USES AND DEFINITIONS, THE PRIMARY IS GONNA BE WHAT YOU SEE MOST IN THAT PLACE TYPE.

UH, AND THEN THE, WHATEVER WE CALL THE SECONDARY COM COMPLIMENTARY USE THAT IT'S WHAT YOU, YOU DEFINITELY SEE IN THAT PLACE TYPE AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS CAN BE, UH, UH, COMPLIMENTARY USE, ET CETERA.

BUT THE, THAT'S LESS PREVALENT IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

IF WE LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A HOSPITAL, UM, OR THE, A COMPLEX LIKE BAYLOR, THE PREDOMINANT USE, THE PRIMARY USE IS THE HOSPITAL, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER ANCILLARY USES THAT HELP SUPPORT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR CAMPUS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST HOW TO DEFINE THE PRIMARY AND THE SUPPORTING OR COMPLIMENTARY USES IN THE PLA IN THE PLACE TYPES.

IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THOSE LANE USES ARE, ARE JUST, ARE LESSER, UM, IN TERMS OF VALUE WHAT OR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT IT'S MORE JUST HOW ARE THEY BEING APPLIED IN EACH OF THESE PLACE TYPES TO DEFINE THOSE PLACE TYPES.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I, I WAS JUST GOING TO, UH, COMPLIMENT, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN ON HIS THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT WORDS.

I, I, I LIKE COMPLIMENTARY, UH, USES.

AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP US IN OUR RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL COME, UM, WHICH WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT HELP.

SO, THANKS.

THAT, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S CONSENSUS BUILDING.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? FOLLOW, UH, COMMISSIONER RUB? I DON'T HAVE ANY.

NOT, NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

IS A SUPPORTING USE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SIMPLY A BUY RIGHT DISTINCTION.

I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT, WELL, SINCE YOU OH, MY, THAT'S BECAUSE MY LIGHT WAS ON , UM, UH, SINCE MY LIGHT WAS ON, I, I, I AGREE.

I THINK SUPPORTING, UM, SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN COMPLIMENTARY.

AND I THINK WHAT WE, WHAT THE, THE ACTION WE'RE TRYING TO SET GET TO IS THAT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PRIMARY USE AND WE HAVE A COMPLIMENTARY USE THAT STILL BLENDS TOGETHER AND WORKS WELL TOGETHER.

SO I, I, I LIKE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S WORDSMITHING TO YOU, SIR.

YEAH, I, I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT MY, MY OWN WORDSMITHING HERE, BUT JUST ONE THING TO FOLLOW UP ON.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENT ASKING ABOUT WHETHER PRIMARY SUGGEST BY AND SUPPORTING SUGGEST BY THROUGH SOME OTHER MECHANISM.

I WOULD JUST WANNA SAY THAT I WANT TO SORT OF RESIST THAT CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE ONE ANOTHER WAY IN WHICH WE COULD CONTROL SUPPORTING USES IS SIMPLY BY THE PREVALENCE OF THE ZONING ON THE GROUND.

THERE COULD BE A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE, YOU KNOW, OF SOMETHING FROM, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF RESIDENTIAL TO A SMALL PARCEL BEING ZONED FOR, YOU KNOW, VERY LIGHT RETAIL AS A SUPPORTING USE AND WE'RE GOOD THERE.

AND THAT THAT'S BY RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT ZONING CHANGE.

BUT THEN IF ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, RETAIL ZONING APPLICATION COMES IN, THEN WE MAY SAY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE HERE.

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SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE US NOT TO INCORPORATE ANYTHING ABOUT BUY RIGHT INTO THIS PORTION OF, OF THE DOCUMENT.

YEP.

I, I WOULD AGREE.

UM, JUST AS, AS A CITY AS CPC AS STAFF, AS COUNCIL, UM, I THINK SOMETIMES IS, 'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE USED TO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN PDS EVERY TWO WEEKS THAT HAVE A YOUTH CHART, WHICH IS A BUY RIGHT? OR NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE USED TO LOOKING AT AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT COME BEFORE YOU HERE OR THERE THAT HAVE A, THIS CAN GO HERE, THIS CAN'T GO HERE.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLANS THAT Y'ALL SEE WHICH HAVE THAT GUIDANCE.

THAT DOESN'T SAY IT CAN, AND IT CAN'T, IT JUST SAYS THIS IS THE GUIDANCE ABOUT WHAT COULD OR COULDN'T HAPPEN HERE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

BUT IN GOING DOWN, AND I AGREE BY RIGHT, THE DEFINITE THE TERMINOLOGY OF BY RIGHT.

THAT MEANS YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND ISN'T THE CONCEPT TO STAY ABOVE THE GROUND.

SO ANYTHING THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT'S ON THE GROUND IS NOT FOR DALLAS.

I JUST WANNA GO BACK IN TERMS OF WHEN WE HEAR THE TERM BUY.

AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF ZONING AND LAND USE.

SO WE, WE, I SHOULD CORRECT THAT.

I SHOULD SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S ZONING.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE GROUND, IT'S ZONING, NOT LAND USE.

AND WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS ARE, ARE, AND NOT UNLESS I'M, I'M MISSING SOMETHING.

IS, IS LAND USE, CORRECT? YES.

FUTURE LAND USE.

A GENRE DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT SONG YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO.

AND I WOULD JUST CLICK, THERE IS NO BUY RIGHT IN LAND USE.

I MEAN THAT, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

THERE IS NO BUY RIGHT WITH LAND USE, BUY RIGHT IS ZONING.

AND THAT'S WHY LAND USE PROVIDES A RANGE OF OPTIONS, WHICH IS THEN UP TO THIS BODY AND CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WITHIN THAT POTENTIAL RANGE, BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT 30,000 FEET, WHAT THEN IS ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE ON THE GROUND AT THE TIME A ZONING APPLICATION COMES IN.

SO EVEN A PRIMARY USE IS NOT BY, RIGHT.

IT MEANS YES, THAT IS THE PREDOMINANT USE IN THAT AREA, BUT IT STILL MIGHT NOT BE, IF A ZONING APPLICATION COMES IN, IN THAT AREA, THAT PRIMARY USE MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

SO AGAIN, NOT BY RIGHT.

WE'RE JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SOME AREAS IN SOME PLACE, TYPES LARGELY IS MADE UP OF X USE OR USES.

AND THEN IT MAY HAVE THOSE COMPLIMENTARY USES.

IN THOSE COMPLIMENTARY USES MAY REQUIRE MORE DEBATE HERE AT THE HORSESHOE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE ON A GIVEN PROPERTY.

THERE MAY BE LESS DEBATE FOR THE PRIMARY USES, BUT STILL DOESN'T TAKE AWAY YOUR ABILITY TO DEBATE ON A PARTICULAR PROPERTY WHEN IT COMES IN.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I, I, I'M NOT SURE I'VE MADE MYSELF CLEAR BEFORE.

'CAUSE I, I, I, I WAS, I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GO TO IS, I, I THINK THERE'S GONNA, FOR THE PUBLIC ANYWAY, THERE'S GONNA BE AN UNDERLYING TENSION BETWEEN THE WAY THEY UNDERSTAND, I THINK THEY PUT ZONING AND LAND USE TOGETHER THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED TO VERY USED TO THINKING, OKAY, I'VE GOT CR ZONING, OR I'VE GOT R SEVEN FIVE ZONING.

AND THE SORT OF THE VISION FOR THAT AREA IS CODIFIED BY THE ZONING IN 51 A.

IT SAYS, WE, YOU CAN DO THIS BY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT R SEVEN FIVE, YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE IF YOU CAN GET THE PERMITS.

AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT YOU HAVE TO GET AN SUP, SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO THAT STRUCTURE'S GOING TO BE THERE, BUT WE'RE OVERLAYING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF VISION, YOU KNOW, ALTOGETHER.

SO I, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, SOME, I MEAN, I GET QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND, AND PEOPLE USE THE BUY, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO WITH WHAT THE FACT THAT 51 A AND THE ZONING IS STILL THERE, BUT WE'RE KIND OF OVERLAYING SOMETHING THAT, THAT INTRODUCES, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCEPTS AND DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING THINGS THAT PEOPLE AREN'T, AREN'T QUITE USED TO.

YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA THINK IT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND KINDA A NEW ANALOGY THAT I HOPE, UH, MAKES SENSE, UH, USE THIS.

AND I THINK, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT AND THAT SEEMED TO RESONATE WITH THE MEMBERS.

SO WHEN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PLACE TYPES, LAND USE ZONING, UH, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF THINKING ABOUT THAT WITHOUT USING THE JARGON THAT WE USUALLY USE.

UH, SO THINK ABOUT JUST MUSIC, UH, OR LITERATURE.

UH, SO WITH THOSE TWO TYPES OF THINGS, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COVERS THE DIFFERENT TYPOLOGIES, UH, GENRES.

SO THINK ABOUT MUSIC GENRES.

YOU HAVE POP, YOU HAVE HIP HOP, YOU HAVE JAZZ.

UH, A GENRE DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT ARTIST NEEDS TO GO, WHERE

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IT'S, IT'S HIGH LEVEL.

UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN GENRES THAT SAY POP WHERE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT LIKE ELVIS.

UM, JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A PARTICULAR PREFERENCE OR, OR LAND USE DOESN'T EXCLUDE SOMEBODY ELSE FROM HAVING ANOTHER ONE THAT'S STILL WITHIN THAT GENRE.

SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE COME BACK TO LAND USE, UH, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT ARE WITHIN, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMMUNITY PLACE TYPE THAT MIGHT BE PREDOMINANTLY ONE LAND USE MIGHT HAVE A FEW OTHER ANCILLARY SUPPORTING LAND USES, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT THOSE TWO, UH, LAND USES FROM NOT BEING IN THAT PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.

SO I THINK WHEN WE GET INTO LOOKING AT LAND USE, AND THEN MAYBE ZONING, UH, ANOTHER, KINDA GOING BACK TO THE MUSIC ANALOGY.

SO YOU CAN HAVE AN ARTIST, DIFFERENT ARTISTS WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR GENRE.

UH, AN ARTIST CAN SING A SPECIFIC SONG, UH, LET'S SAY THAT'S ZONING, THAT HAS A CERTAIN CADENCE, CERTAIN TIME, CERTAIN WORDS.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THE GENRE DOESN'T DICTATE THE ARTIST.

THE GENRE DOESN'T DICTATE THE SONG.

UH, IT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL AND KIND OF HAS THOSE OTHER PIECES, UH, IN THERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE, AS WE LOOK AT LIKE THE PLAY TYPES, LAND USE AND ZONING, THEY'RE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS, UH, BUT ONE SHOULDN'T EXCLUDE THE OTHER.

IT'S, IT'S MEANT THAT THE GENERALITY OF A GENRE OR PLAY TYPE IS MEANT TO CAPTURE THE NUANCES THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY OR IN THAT PARTICULAR GENRE OR TYPOLOGY.

AND AS YOU GO INTO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, SOME MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT PREFERENCES OR MORE FOCUSES ON A LAND USE OR A SONG OR A ZONING CATEGORY.

AND THAT KIND OF TAILS DOWN INTO WHAT THEY, OR WHAT YOU ALL MIGHT KNOW SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT AREA OR ABOUT THAT.

UH, COMMUNITY COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, THANK YOU.

UM, COMPLIMENTARY, I, I THINK IS A GOOD STARTING POINT, UM, IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT IT DOESN'T, IN MY OPINION, TAKE AWAY WHAT'S SUPPORTING, RIGHT, BECAUSE COMPLIMENTARY LEAVES TO BEG WHAT THIS NEIGHBOR MAY THINK IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS OTHERS.

UM, ANOTHER WORD I THOUGHT WOULD BE NICE WOULD BE COMPATIBLE USE.

UM, AND COMPATIBLE WOULD BE USES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND ALREADY, UM, AND EVEN COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND ALREADY.

UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT POINT OUT THAT I'M, I'M AFRAID COMPLIMENTARY WOULD DO JUST AS MUCH DAMAGE, IF NOT MORE AS SUPPORTIVE.

PLEASE, COMMISSIONER WEER, UM, AGAIN, IN SOME CASES THE ACCESSORY USE IN, IN DEPENDS.

UM, IT MIGHT NOT NEED A STANDALONE USE WOULD NOT BE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT AN ACCESSORY TO THAT.

UM, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN SAID A BARBER SHOP AND A COFFEE SHOP, IT MIGHT, THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE, SO YOU WOULDN'T PUT THAT TOGETHER.

BUT, UM, A BARBER SHOP AND MAYBE A CIGAR LOUNGE, , YOU KNOW, UM, BUT, BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF AND WITH.

AND THEN, OR A MALE, UM, LIKE WITH MASSAGES OR UH, NAIL WITH NAIL USE, UH, MY BRAIN IS SHUT TODAY, BUT THOSE ARE SENSORY USES THAT YOU LOOK AT, THAT YOU NECESSARILY DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE STANDALONE GREAT, BUT IT COULD BE AN ACCESSORY TO ANOTHER BUSINESS IN SOME KIND OF WAY.

UM, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE A STANDALONE, UM, UM, OR MIGHT BE COMPATIBLE A LIVE WORK.

A LIVE WORK HERE MIGHT NOT BE COMPATIBLE IN ANOTHER AREA.

UM, OR A SHARED WORKSPACE MIGHT NOT BE IN SOME AREAS, BUT IT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE IN ANOTHER AREA OR ACCESSORY TYPE OF DEAL.

IT COULD BE AN ACCESSORY TO ANOTHER BUSINESS.

SOME APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE MOVING INTO, HEY, WE HAVE THIS FREE SPACE, WHY NOT MAKE, WHY NOT ADD? AND THEY WERE HAVING PROBLEMS ON GETTING BUILDINGS THAT MAY, THAT HAD WHERE THEY HAD THOSE OTHER SPACES WHILE MAKING, UM, THAT SHARED WORKSPACE.

AND AT FIRST, SOME OF THOSE, THEY WERE HAVING PROBLEMS BECAUSE THE CITY WAS SAYING, HEY, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THIS BUILDING IS USED FOR THIS, THIS BUILDING IS USED FOR THAT.

BUT ONCE SOME OF 'EM GOT OVER THE HURDLE, IT MADE SENSE.

ESPECIALLY POST COVID.

PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME, CAN'T NECESSARILY DON'T WANNA BE TOO FAR FROM HOME, BUT THEN NECESSARILY WORKING AT HOME IS NOT WORKING FOR THEM.

BUT THEY CAN USE THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL USE IN THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX IF FOR THEM TO COME TO WORK IN A SENSE, OR HAVE A MEETING AND SINCE, AND STILL BE AT HOME.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION FROM A, SO I'M HEARING SOME NOW, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT COMPLIMENTARY.

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I WILL SAY FROM A COMPATIBILITY, THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO WHO DETERMINES COMPATIBILITY.

SO WE GET THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO CONSIDERS THAT? UH, SO I'M WONDERING BETWEEN TWO NOW, IF IT COMPLIMENT IF, IF IT'S NOT SUPPORTING, WHAT ABOUT COMPLIMENTARY OR SECONDARY? I THINK SECONDARY WAS RAISED AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THE BODY FEELS ABOUT SECONDARY.

THAT'S TRUE, RUBEN.

YEAH, I KIND OF LIKE SECONDARY FOR THE LABEL BECAUSE IT SPEAKS TO PREVALENCE.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO THE TEXT THAT FOLLOWS THE, THE HEADING, I LIKE SUPPORT OR COMPLIMENT.

I THINK COMPATIBILITY WITH GREAT RESPECT FOR COMMISSIONER HERBERT PROBABLY GETS TOO CLOSE TO THE ZONING CONSIDERATIONS.

AND I WOULD MAYBE EVEN TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO SAY, A LESS PREVALENT USE THAT MAY SERVE TO SUPPORT OR COMPLEMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USE, WHICH GIVES ROOM FOR DISCRETION ABOUT COMPATIBILITY LATER DOWN THE ROAD.

SO TO SUMMARIZE, I WOULD SUGGEST CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HEAR OTHERS' FEEDBACK THAT WE CHANGE THE SECOND ONE TO PRIMARY USE A LESS PREVALENT USE THAT MAY SERVE TO SUPPORT OR COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USES AT S IN A, IN A PLACE TYPE IS KIND OF WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO SKIN THIS CAP.

COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

ME TOO.

WE HAVE CONSENSUS FIRST TIME IN YEARS.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UH, THANK YOU , DIRECTOR GILLIS FOR HELPING US TO NARROW THAT DOWN.

UH, SO GOING BACK TO OUR LIST OF ITEMS. SO NOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, THOSE DEFINITIONS, THE TERMINOLOGY, UH, IN PLACE, WE'RE GOING TO, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE GOING TO SPECIFIC SLIDES THAT WE SENT YOU ALL, UM, FIRST AND THEN IF YOU HAVE TIME TO EN EN ENGAGE ANY OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WE SENT YOU ALL, UH, WE WOULD WANNA DO THAT.

BUT THE, WHAT WE WANNA FOCUS ON NEXT IS WHETHER TO CHANGE THE MULTIPLEX FROM A PRIMARY TO A SECONDARY USE IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PLACE TYPE.

SO, UH, AFTER WE SEND THAT DECK TO YOU ALL, THERE'S A FEW QUESTIONS FROM A FEW OF Y'ALL.

SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, UH, WHAT'S ON THIS SLIDE AND, AND WHY WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING THROUGH THIS.

SO ONE, UH, AS WE CLARIFY WHAT PRIMARY SUPPORTING IS, UH, SECONDARY IS, UM, WANT TO THEN SHOW A LIST OF DISCUSSION ITEMS AND, AND, AND, UH, PLACE TYPES THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT.

YOU KNOW, EITHER MOVING FROM PRIMARY TO SUPPORTING, SUPPORTING THE PRIMARY.

WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN ISN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

THIS IS MORE WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS BODY, EITHER THROUGH EMAILS, EITHER THROUGH DISCUSSIONS, EITHER THROUGH OUR WORKSHOPS, AND JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UH, SOME OF THOSE PLACE TYPES AND THE DISCUSSION POINTS.

UH, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS IN ON A FEW OF THESE, UH, IN PARTICULARLY THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, THE CITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.

BUT IT'S MORE TO GET CLARITY IN TERMS OF WHICH DIRECTION TO GO, UM, ON THESE PLACE TYPES.

AND WE'RE GONNA, I'VE ADDED A FEW MORE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION SLIDES, UH, JUST TO KIND OF DRILL DOWN ON EACH OF THOSE ITEMS. BUT THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

BUT YOU ALL WILL BE PROVIDING THAT CLARIFICATION AS WE CONTINUE WITH THE CONVERSATION TODAY.

COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER TURNOCK, PLEASE.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLEX NOW.

FOR BECOMING A HIGHLY, HIGHLY UNAFFORDABLE CITY.

SO NOW WE'RE GONNA DRILL, SO, RIGHT.

SO I HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT.

SO I, I THINK IT'S EASY TO FALL INTO THE TRAP WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS STUFF TO APPLY THIS KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITIES NOW, RIGHT? I JUST WANNA REITERATE, UH, THESE ARE COMMENTS THAT I THINK BEEN SAID BEFORE BY ME AND OTHER PLAN COMMISSIONERS.

BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MULTIPLEX PROJECT COMING INTO TO THE MARKET CURRENTLY THAT WOULD NEED ZONING ENTITLEMENTS, THAT'S CURRENTLY TAKING A YEAR.

DESIGN DEVELOPMENT COULD TAKE ANOTHER YEAR.

PERMITTING CURRENTLY IS TAKING A YEAR.

CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE TWO MORE YEARS, LEASE UP OR SALES WOULD TAKE A YEAR.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD ON A TIMELY MANNER FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SIX YEARS UNTIL THESE UNITS WOULD COME INTO THE MARKET.

AND THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDING MARKET ADAPTION.

MARKET ADAPTION COULD BE THREE YEARS.

SO WE ARE HITTING A MOVING TARGET THAT IS NEARLY A DECADE OUT.

SO AS WE WE GO INTO THIS DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY'S MIND TO BE ORIENTED INTO WHAT WOULD BE THE STATE OF OUR COMMUNITIES GIVEN THE, THE CURRENT TRAJECTORY.

AND WE SAW THE MULTIPLE MEDIAN STATISTICS OF THE LAST 20 YEARS.

WE ARE ON A 10 YEAR CRASH COURSE

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IF THAT CONTINUES, WHAT WILL THAT LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS, MR. RUBIN? YEAH.

UM, I, I THINK COMMISSIONER CHAIR KNOX'S COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BEING A LONG-TERM PLAN ARE VERY WISE.

AND WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT ONE YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS.

AND, YOU KNOW, MISSING MIDDLE IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO PROVIDING HOUSING, YOU KNOW, MEETING THE HOUSING NEEDS OF THE CITY.

I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS KEEPING THIS AS A PRIMARY LAND USE IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

I HEAR LOTS OF CONCERNS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THIS PLACE TYPE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SHOULD BE THE ONLY THING ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, IN, IN PERPETUITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I'M OF A PEACE WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, I'M PROBABLY NOT.

BUT THERE'S ANOTHER LARGE CONSTITUENCY THAT HAS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT DUPLEXES, MULTIPLEXES THAT HAS REALLY SEEN A LOT OF PRODUCT THAT IS NOT VERY GOOD IN LARGE PART DUE TO OUR CURRENT ZONING.

YOU KNOW, I DRIVE ON COLUMBIA INTO WORK EVERY DAY, AND THERE'S A SORT OF A SIXPLEX TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, THERE AREN'T ENTRANCES ON THE STREET.

YOU KNOW, YOU ENTER THROUGH THE GARAGE AND THEN YOU GO INTO YOUR HOME THROUGH THE GARAGE.

IT'S ALL CONCRETE IN THE FRONT YARD ALONG WHATEVER THAT STREET IS.

SO I THINK THE KEY TO GETTING COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL TO WORK WHILE KEEPING, YOU KNOW, A MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR MISSING MIDDLE IS TO KEEP MULTIPLEXES AS A PRIMARY USE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ACKNOWLEDGING VERY FRANKLY, THAT WE NEED MEANINGFUL DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FLESH THEM ALL OUT RIGHT NOW.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN OR SHOULD FLESH THEM ALL, ALL OUT RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE GET TO ACTUAL ZONING, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CONSEQUENCES THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, FALL FROM IMPLEMENTING DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND THAT CERTAINLY WE HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE WORK TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THOSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, TO ADD LANGUAGE IN THE TEXT, TALKING ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE, AS COMMISSIONER WHEELER REFERENCED IN HER COMMENTS THAT YES, TOWN HOMES, BUT MAYBE NOT THE TOWN HOMES THAT WE'RE SEEING SO PREVALENTLY RIGHT NOW.

AND THE OTHER PIECE IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONSIDERATIONS WILL VARY FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION.

YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO KNOCK DOWN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME AND PUT A NINE PLEX, I MIGHT HAVE SOME CALMS ABOUT THAT MYSELF.

UM, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE AREN'T PLACES WHERE MULTIPLEXES, YOU KNOW, A TRIPLEX, A QUADPLEX WOULD FIT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOT NECESSARILY MID-BLOCK, BUT MAYBE ON CORNER LOTS.

OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET CLOSER ON MAJOR CORRIDORS THAT I THINK ARE STILL A VERY MEANINGFUL PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.

I MEAN, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

EVERY HOUSE IN MY STREET IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

BUT IF YOU WALK OVER ONE OR TWO BLOCKS, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY FOUR QUADPLEXES THAT GET CLOSER TO GASTON THAT ARE ALL SORT OF RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT ARE PERFECTLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO STORIES.

THEY HAVE ENTRANCES ON THE STREET, THE PARKING'S ALL IN THE REAR.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK LOCATIONAL LANGUAGE, AGAIN, IS, IS REALLY KEY.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH ALL THE ANSWERS ON LOCATION RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE TALK ABOUT BEING SENSITIVE TO LOCATION.

NOW I WANNA TOUCH ON YOUR, YOUR COMMENT REAL QUICK.

SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE SHARING ON THE SCREEN, WHAT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE JUST NEED SOME CLARITY ON, WHAT WAS CLEAR, UH, DURING OUR WORKSHOPS WERE ADDITIONAL LOCATIONAL LANGUAGE, THE, THE TOUCH ON DESIGN LANGUAGE, UM, WHERE AND HOW, UM, SHOULD OTHER USES BE LOCATED, UH, IN EACH PLACE TYPE.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, UH, ADDED AND INCLUDED IN THE U UPDATES.

UM, BUT I THINK JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY, UM, A LOT OF THAT THAT WE HEARD THROUGH THIS HORSESHOE CLEAR FROM STEPH, WHICH DIRECTION TO GO ON THAT.

UH, BUT JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING TO, UM, WHEN WE COME, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE, THE, THE MULTIPLEX HERE.

ALSO WANNA JUST KIND OF PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING AND WHAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW.

UH, SO JUST ON THE SCREEN, AGAIN, ANOTHER CLARIFYING SLIDE JUST BASED ON FEEDBACK I HEARD EARLIER, UH, LAST FEW DAYS, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS EITHER MAKE MULTIPLEX THE PRIMARY SUPPORTING, UM, AND AS

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WE LOOK AT WHAT CLUB PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A SUPPORTING, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, THAT WAS A PRIMARY USE.

AND AS WE LOOK TO FOR DALLAS OH SIX, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MULTIFAMILY CATEGORY, UH, WHICH INCLUDED SMALLER APARTMENTS, THAT WAS THE SPECIFIC TERM THAT IS A, A PRIMARY USE IN THAT BUILDING BLOCK.

SO AS WE ARE LOOKING AT WHICH DIRECTION TO GO, I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE SCREEN WHAT CLUB RECOMMENDED AND ALSO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW.

UM, AND HAVE YOU ALL JUST PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION IN TERMS OF, UH, WHERE WE SHOULD GO WITH THAT PARTICULAR LAND USE.

CAN I ASK ONE FOLLOW-UP? YOU TALK ABOUT LANGUAGE IN A REVISION THAT ADDRESSES DESIGN STANDARDS AND LOCATION.

IS THAT GOING TO BE COMING IN OUR MAY 23RD DRAFT? YES.

SO AFTER WE GET CLARIFICATION ON, ON THESE ITEMS, THE NEXT DRAFT WILL HAVE SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS.

UH, SO YES, WE WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS AND WE HAVE A WAY MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT VERY CLOSELY AND MAYBE EVEN TINKER WITH IT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS COMES UP FOR A FINAL VOTE.

HUNDRED PERCENT.

I THINK THAT IS SORT OF THE GLUE THAT BRINGS A LOT OF THE LOOSE PARTS A HUNDRED PERCENT TOGETHER.

A HUNDRED PERCENT.

AND I THINK AS WE, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON SOME ITEMS THAT WE JUST NEED CLARITY ON, BUT IT MAKES SENSE.

I THINK COMMISSIONER KINSON HAS MENTIONED THIS, JUST TO HAVE THE TOTALITY OF THE DOCUMENT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT WE JUST NEED SOME KEY POINTS TO KIND OF GET THAT DIRECTION GOING SO WE CAN PROVIDE THAT, UH, COMPREHENSIVE SET FOR YOU ALL TO THEN MAKE A, AN INFORMED DECISION OF A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL.

UM, ONE, ONE QUICK LITTLE COMMENT BEFORE WE, WE, I, I DON'T WANNA GET SIDETRACKED, BUT I, I, I JUST FRANKLY JUST CAN'T RESIST.

IT'S A REALLY SMALL TYPE HERE FOR US TO SEE.

COULD, COULD YOU ZOOM IN RIGHT NOW? WHAT, WHAT DOES CURRENT FORWARD DALLAS 2006 THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 18 YEARS, WHAT DOES IT HAVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING BLOCK? SO UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDING BLOCK, UM, THERE, THE TWO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT'S, UH, CURRENTLY THE CURRENT CLUB DRAFT, UH, IS THAT THE MULTIFAMILY IS A PRIMARY USE, UM, IN THAT DOCUMENT.

IT DOESN'T SAY, IT DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TYPES OF MULTIFAMILY, IT JUST SAYS, UH, SMALLER APARTMENTS.

UM, AND ALSO TO LODGING.

UH, SO A FEW EXAMPLES, GARAGE APARTMENTS, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT OTHER TYPE OF A DU PRODUCTS THAT'S ALSO A SUPPORTING USE.

SO BASED ON JUST US READING THE TEXT AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT CORRELATION, THAT'S HOW WE IDENTIFY THAT.

SO MULTIFAMILY AND LODGING WERE ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING BLOCK.

THIS IS AN APPLES, APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON, UH, AND HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 18 YEARS, ALMOST 20 YEARS.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE DRIVE, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

DID YOU, DID YOU, I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND.

NO, YOU DID.

FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON BY THEN.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

WELL, UM, VERY, VERY BRIEFLY, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT HELPFUL.

I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT THE MULTIPLEX.

I THINK I'M, I I MAY GET THERE.

THIS SLIDE IN FRONT OF US IS VERY HELPFUL AND SOME GOOD CONTEXT.

UM, I'M A, A, A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE, UH, THE A DU TOWNHOUSE, DUPLEX TRIPLEX, UM, DOTS ON THE, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT TO MR. UH, CHER'S VERY, UH, IMPORTANT REMARKS THAT EVEN IF MULTIPLEX DROPPED OFF OF HERE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, BENEFIT 90% OR MORE OF, OF THE, TOWARDS THE GOAL OF, OF, OF CREATING HOUSING, UH, BY, BY WAY OF, OF, UH, SOME OF THESE SMALLER, UH, TYPES.

SO, UM, I'M LISTENING.

I MAY GET THERE, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.

AND BIG SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO PULL IN AND OUT OF AND TURN AROUND IN.

SINCE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK, I'LL JUST QUICKLY SAY IN A RARE INSTANCE, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WITH WHAT HE SAID.

UM, PROBABLY MUCH TO SORIN OF PART OF MY DISTRICT.

UM, I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, THOUGHTFULNESS, ABOUT LOCATION AND ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS.

YOU KNOW, I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH CHIEF MARTINEZ AND, UM, OH, I FORGET HIS NAME, MAYBE JEFF MATHIS, WHO'S THE OPERATIONS DIRECTOR FOR DFNR.

AND I THINK FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS A LOT OF BLAME FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S DECISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO FORM.

AND A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING BUILT IS, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS THE BUILDERS DECIDING THAT THEY WANT BIG, OLD HONKING, UH, GARAGES FOR OUR SUVS

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AND THEN PEOPLE BLAME THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE FORM.

AND IT'S NOT REALLY THEM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT ON DRIVEWAYS ANYWAY.

UM, AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS, TO ADDRESS THE FORM OF THE BUILDING WITHIN OUR CODE TO MAKE SOME OF THE SMALLER, UH, MULTIFAMILY FIT IN BETTER, UM, NOT NECESSARILY, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU KNOW, ON SOME OF THE THOROUGHFARES ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE HISTORICALLY SEE THEM IN OUR COMMUNITIES NOW.

UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN THE LANGUAGE OF THIS DOCUMENT, SO THAT WE'RE CLEARLY COMMUNICATING THE INTENTIONS GOING FORWARD IN ORDER TO, UM, ASSUAGE SOME FEARS AND HOPEFULLY PICK UP SOME SUPPORT.

I THINK MAYBE I DID MY COMMENTS TOO SOON.

, YOU I SEEN PLACE TYPE I TOLD YOU ALL MY A DD IS IN FULL DRAYS TODAY.

UM, AGAIN, MY COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY I REPRESENT IS IN FULL FEAR, NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE WANT, DON'T WANT MULTIFAMILY WHEN WE GET BEFORE THIS BOARD.

AND IT'S A ZONE STRAIGHT ZONING.

THE FACT THAT PLACE THAT, THAT, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS ARE NOT REALLY UP FOR DISCUSSION WEIGHS HEAVILY IN ON WHETHER I SHOULD, SHOULD I GO FOR AN APPROVAL PROCESS? BECAUSE YES, I MIGHT THINK THAT A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT MIGHT CAN GO ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT, BUT THEN THE DEVELOPER CREATES A PROJECT THAT IS SO EGREGIOUS THAT WHY WOULD I, WHY WOULD THE COMMUNITY GET BEHIND IT? UM, WE HAVE AREAS IN SOUTH DALLAS RIGHT NOW THAT WERE SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE NOW SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

WHEN PRIOR TO CPC DOING AREA, WHEN I WAS ON THE AREA PLAN, I DEFINITELY COME INTO THOSE SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE KI THAT ARE, WE HAVE STILL HAVE A FEW, THANK GOD THAT THE DEVELOPER ALONG LIVE OAK GASTON SEEN VISION TO KEEP THOSE AND REHAB THEM.

THOSE WERE THE TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE WHEN I WALK OUT THE DOOR, MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS MY NEIGHBOR HERE ACROSS, I SEE THEM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO INTERACT BECAUSE WE SEE EACH OTHER.

AND THEN, SO IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE ARE SINGLE, WHERE THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THOSE TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY, UH, COMPLEXES SEEM MORE COMMUNAL THAN THOSE THAT ARE BEING BUILT NOW.

UM, ALSO LOOKED AT ME TALKING TO SOME MEMBERS OF CHOPPY.

THEY HAD NO, NO VISION TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT ANY APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN CHOPPY, BUT WHEN WE GO TO LOOKING AT A CORRIDOR THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A BUSINESS CORRIDOR, BUT WHAT IF WE DID A MONTH? WHAT IF WE DID A MIXED USE WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF APARTMENTS THAT WOULD ALSO HELP SUPPORT, BUT NOT A HUNDRED, 200 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT SOMETHING MAYBE LIKE WHAT'S ON BEAR STREET THAT HAS UPPER UNITS OR MAYBE 20 APARTMENTS, BUT IN THAT PORTAL, WHICH WILL BRING ROOFTOPS, BUT WE'LL NOT, WE'LL NOT GO IN TO MAKING OUR COMMUNITY LOOK LIKE WHAT IS IN UPTOWN.

SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE, THE COMMUNITY DRIVEN, I REALLY BELIEVE IN MULTIFAMILY IN DIFFERENT ASPECTS.

BUT IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE GREEDY, IT BECOMES A, THAT BECOMES ME SITTING ON THE FENCE SAYING, WE COULD REALLY USE THAT.

I KNOW PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY DON'T WANNA BUY HOMES OR DON'T EVEN SEE THEIR SELF THERE.

THEY WANNA LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD IT BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING, WE HAVE MORE, WE HAVE HOUSING.

WE HAD A WHOLE AREA THAT HAS SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES, AND THESE PEOPLE LIVED THERE.

THEY WERE TORE DOWN, BECAME CITY PROPERTIES FOR 20, 25 YEARS.

WHEN THE REZONING OR, OR THEIR PLAN CAME IN AND A NEW PD CAME IN, IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE THOUGHT OF THOSE WHO LIVE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES.

JUST BECAUSE I'M A RENTER DOES NOT MEAN NO LESS THAN I AM.

THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE IS PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY WHO HAVE RENTED.

I HAD ONE LADY WHO, UM, RENTED AN APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR 30 YEARS AND THEN MOVED INTO A HOUSE BECAUSE THE APARTMENTS TORE DOWN AND SHE LIVED THERE ANOTHER 15 YEARS.

WE HAVE LONG TIME RENTERS IN THESE COMMUNITIES.

AND SO WHEN IT BECOMES THAT DIVIDE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, IT, IT, IT IS, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T WANT IT.

I BELIEVE THAT IT'S THE FEAR THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE GOT GREEN AND WE, YEAH.

AND TO, TO DOUBLE UP ON, ON THAT, UM, BECAUSE, UM, GUESS THAT THE AREA PLAN THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, THERE IN SOUTH DASA FAIR PARK, UM, WHICH WE HOPE TO BRING BEFORE CCP C SHORTLY, UM, AGAIN, WHAT WE, WHAT WE HEARD FROM THAT COMMUNITY WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY AGAINST LIKE A DUPLEX.

THEY WEREN'T AGAINST THE STRUCTURE THAT HAD TWO DOORS ON THERE.

THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE DUPLEXES THAT WERE BEING BUILT THERE, UM, THE NEW ONES.

AND SO WE WORK WITH THEM ON DESIGN STANDARDS THAT, UM, BASICALLY

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IT'S REAL SIMPLE.

IT'S PORCHES IN THE FRONT, GARAGES IN THE BACK, TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT THAN A PITCHED ROOF AND A, A PROMINENT, A LESS PROMINENT DRIVEWAY.

AND THAT WORKS IN SOUTH DALLAS.

DOESN'T, MIGHT NOT WORK EVERYWHERE, BUT THOSE UNDERLYING DESIGN CONCEPTS OF BASICALLY THE PROMINENCE OF THE GARAGE AND THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THE FRONT DOOR OR THE WALKUP APPEAL DOES HAVE THOSE TYPES OF DESIGN ISSUES PRETTY MUCH IN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN EVERY DISTRICT HERE IN DALLAS.

AND SO I THINK WE CAN GIVE SOME BROAD DESIGN GUIDELINES TO SAY, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD SOME OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE, IT, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE THOSE CONCEPTS IN THE UNDERLYING DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, THAT THAT COULD BE APPLICABLE, THAT THEN GOES BEFORE A CPC CASE.

SO YOU SAY, YES, THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M MOST SUPPORTIVE OF BECAUSE THE DESIGN, UM, IS BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER DESIGN THAT'S BEEN BUILT HERE RECENTLY IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, DISTRICT ONE, BISHOP ARTS AREA, UPTOWN AREA, THEY LIKE, THEY LIKE DENSITY, THEY WANT DENSITY, THEY LIKE THE WALKABILITY.

AND THEN YOU GO OVER TO DISTRICT 14 THAT HAS ALL THESE DIFFERENT USES THAT LOOK GREAT TOGETHER, BUT WHEN THEY WERE DESIGNED, THEY WERE DESIGNED STILL WITH COMMUNITY IN MIND.

AND SO, UM, I LITERALLY WAS SELLING, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, KINGSTON, THAT APP APPRO THAT THERE'S PROJECTS THAT'S BEING WORKED ON IN SOUTH DALLAS.

AND I LITERALLY RODE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET A IDEA OF TOWN HOMES THAT WOULD FIT, FIT THE COMMUNITY.

AND I WAS SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR THOSE TOWN HOMES THAT HAD HAD FRONT, FRONT DOORS THAT WENT TO, THAT WERE ON THE OR STREET FRONT THAT DID NOT HAVE SHARED ACCESS.

AND IT WAS TO GIVE, GIVE THE PROJECT A IDEAL OF WHAT THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DESIGN AND ALSO LOOKING AT BEAR STREET, LOOKING AT THAT WAS DONE IN A WAY THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PRO THAT WE ARE BUILDING FOR COMMUNITY AS FAR AND ROOFTOPS, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARE LIVING IN SPACES THAT THEY NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO PLAY BECAUSE SOMEONE DEVELOPED WITHOUT COMMUNITY IN MIND.

UH, COMMISSIONER FORESITE, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

AND JUST TO TOUCH ON YOUR POINT, UH, I THINK EVERYTHING YOU JUST MENTIONED WAS KIND OF THE, THE CORE OF WHY THE, THAT MULTIPLEX WAS BROUGHT UP.

UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES WHEN, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT FORWARD DALLAS OH SIX, UM, THEY DON'T WANT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

THEY DON'T EVEN WANT A MEDIUM SIZED, UH, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY.

THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE SAME SCALE, BUT THEY CAN STILL OWE AFFORD TO LIVE THERE AND HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

UH, I'M GLAD YOU, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP BAYER STREET.

UM, BONTON FARMS, THERE'S A LOT OF PRODUCT THERE.

WHEN YOU SHOW PICTURES OF, UH, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR AN APEX, IT LOOKS LIKE A CLUSTER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES UNTIL YOU TELL THEM NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, A APEX TOGETHER.

SO WHEN YOU KIND OF START TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, YOU CAN START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY WANTING IN THESE AREAS, UM, VERSUS WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AVAILABLE, UH, TO, TO SELECT.

SO YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT, JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU MENTIONED, COMMISSIONER, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, WE HAVE A HARD STOP NOW.

WE'LL CONCLUDE THE BRIEFING, THEN WE'LL BEGIN THE HEARING AND GO RIGHT BACK TO THIS ITEM.

SO IT IS, UH, 1240.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER BLAIR, 1245.

THAT CONCLUDES

[CALL TO ORDER]

THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

WE WILL NEED A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

UH, DISTRICT ONE HERE.

DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE HERE.

DISTRICT SEVEN, PRESENT DISTRICT EIGHT.

DISTRICT 14 AND DISTRICT 15.

I'M HERE.

YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR.

A REBUTTAL TIME COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAIN COMMISSION.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 16TH, 2020 4, 12 40 6:00 PM A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE HEAD RIGHT BACK INTO OUR DISCUSSION.

UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES.

UH, TODAY, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.

WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.

I'LL REMIND ALL OUR SPEAKERS TO BE PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND WITH OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON AND WORKING.

OTHERWISE, WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU.

UM, IN CASES WHERE WE DO HAVE, UH, OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL GET

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[BRIEFINGS (Part 2 of 2)]

AND GO RIGHT BACK TO THIS FORWARD DALLAS PIECE, BEGINNING WITH COMMISSIONER FORESITE.

THANK YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN SHADI, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING, UH, THERE WITH YOU TODAY.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ON THIS.

I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION ABOUT A STATISTIC THAT, UH, LAWRENCE SAGU AND PATRICK BLADES HAD GIVEN US IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE STARTED DELIBERATING ON THE FORD DALLAS PLAN, WHICH WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE REPRESENTS 44% OF THE LAND MASS IN DALLAS AND SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS REPRESENT 34% OF THAT, UH, LAND, TOTAL LAND MASS IN DALLAS.

SO BASICALLY, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS REPRESENT ALMOST 80% OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

SO, UH, REALLY WE HAVE TO, UH, EMPHASIZE THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ARE THE DOMINANT LAND USE IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

AND WE'VE HEARD IT FROM, UH, NORTH DALLAS ALL THE WAY TO SOUTH DALLAS.

AND ALL THE TOWN HALLS THAT WE'VE HAD, THAT SINGLE FAM FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL THAT THE FORD DALLAS PLAN IS TARGETING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHEN YOU READ THE COMMI COM COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, IT'S LITTERED WITH LANGUAGE OF GENTLE DENSITY, UH, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, UH, ADDING DUPLEXES AND, AND, AND TOWN HOMES AND MULTIPLEXES, UH, IN, IN, UH, THAT ARE IN SCALE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THERE, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE FOLKS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WANT IT VERY CLEAR THAT MULTIPLEXES ARE NOT A PRIMARY LAND USE IN THIS CATEGORY, IN THIS PLACE TYPE.

AND, AND THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE ASKED FOR US TO MOVE THIS TO A SECONDARY USE.

IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS, IS, IS, IS REVERT BACK TO THE OTHER REQUEST THAT WE'VE HEARD, WHICH IS WE PUT IN A SEPARATE, UH, PLACE TYPE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CHOICE HERE.

UH, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT THAT IS COMPROMISING AND THAT ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS OF FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

NONE OF US ARE OPPOSED TO DENSITY, BUT WHAT WE AGREED TO WAS THAT THAT DENSITY WOULD NOT BE ON A VACANT LOT THAT COMES UP IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT DENSITY WOULD BE ON THAT VACANT LOT OR THAT COMMERCIAL, UH, COMPLEX ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE OR THE TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF SCENARIO WHERE YOU KNOW THAT THAT DENSITY IS WARRANTED.

AND, AND, AND, AND SO THEREFORE, MULTI MULTIPLEX SHOULD BE A SECONDARY LAND USE IN, IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, PLACE TYPE.

AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO REMOVE TRIPLEXES FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, UH, DESIGNATION BECAUSE TRIPLEXES FIT UNDER MULTIPLEXES AND, AND, AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE, UH, LISTED UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.

SO, UH, I, I DO APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I'M SURE THIS PLAN'S GONNA PASS TO CPC, BUT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME FEROCIOUS OPPOSITION FROM, FROM FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS HERE BEFORE THIS GOES TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL.

THERE'S DIFFERENT APPENDICES AND SECTIONS.

SO I JUST WANT TO, UM, ADDRESS A FEW THINGS.

UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH MENTIONED, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO THE VISION OF OH SIX, UH, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT.

UH, UH, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS ACTUALLY SHARE, UH, AN EXCERPT OF, UM, WHAT'S IN THE OH SIX FOR DALLAS DOCUMENT.

I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE HOUSING ASSESSMENT.

I'M GONNA READ THAT.

UH, JUST TO TOUCH ON THE VISION, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PLANS WE'RE LOOKING AT, LOOK AT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ALL COMPONENTS.

SO EVEN AS I READ THIS OFF, PLEASE GO AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRETY OF THE DOCUMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT AT THIS BODY, BUT I WANNA SPEAK TO AN, UH, ITEM THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, UH, REAL QUICKLY, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

OH, BEFORE WE GET THERE, SORRY, JUST WANNA SHARE THIS.

PARDON ME.

UH, SO I'M GONNA READ THE, THIS, THE HOUSING ASSESSMENT FOR DALLAS OH SIX.

UH, THIS IS THE ONE OF THE APPENDICES.

UM, THE LAST PARAGRAPH, UH, DALLAS MUST SHIFT AWAY FROM BUILDING PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO BUILD PRIMARILY OTHER TYPES OF HOMES,

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MORE IN LINE WITH THE FOUR DALLAS VISION.

UH, AN INNOVATIVE APPROACH TO HOUSING WOULD INCLUDE REDEVELOPMENT AND IN-FIELD DEVELOPMENT, AND A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS THAT ADD CHARACTER TO THE CITY AND PROVIDE RESIDENTS MORE CHOICES.

UH, AND THEN IT GOES FORWARD AND KIND OF BREAKS DOWN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING CHOICES THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IN, IN FORT DALLAS, OH SIX.

BUT I JUST WANTED JUST TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON, AS WE LOOK AT THE VISION THAT'S COMING OUT FROM OH SIX, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE OUR ANALYSIS AND STAFF, AND THAT'S PART OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE, UM, KIND OF HAD BEHIND THE SCENES AS WE COME BEFORE YOU ALL, WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT DOCUMENT IN DEPTH.

UH, BUT LO A LOT OF THAT'S A LOT OF THAT LANGUAGE.

A LOT OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS AREN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST NOW 20 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS AN ISSUE AT THAT TIME TOO.

SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP.

UM, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT FROM OH SIX IDENTIFIED THAT AS BEING AN ISSUE THAT IF WE DIDN'T ADDRESS COULD HAVE SOME IMPLICATIONS TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW.

UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH HAS A FOLLOW UP.

THANK YOU SINCE, UH, LAWRENCE, UH, WANTS TO REFER TO THE 2006 PLAN.

PLEASE, UH, ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THESE PASSAGES FROM THE FORD DALLAS, UH, PLAN FROM 2006, CREATE STRONG AND HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS, ENSURING THAT PEOPLE FROM ALL PARTS OF DALLAS HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS WITH GOOD SCHOOLS, PLENTY OF PARTS AND OTHER PUBLIC AMENITIES.

AND AN IMPORTANT KEY INITIATIVE OF THIS PLAN, EQUALLY IMPORTANT ARE PROVISIONS TO PROTECT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS BY STEERING GROWTH TOWARDS AREAS WHERE IT IS WANTED AND NEEDED.

AND, AND WE ALL AGREE THAT IT IS WANTED AND NEEDED IN THE AREAS THAT ARE THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL, FORMER COMMERCIAL RETAIL, OR THE TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ARE THE VACANT AREAS IN SOUTHERN DALLAS.

AND THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS BUILDING BLOCK REPRESENTS THE LIFEBLOOD OF DALLAS, THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE THE DOMINANT LAND USE IN THESE AREAS.

PUBLIC INVESTMENT WILL FOCUS ON PROTECTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE BY PROVIDING AMENITIES SUCH AS PARKS, TRAILS, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, AND STRONG CODE ENFORCEMENT.

AND THEN FINALLY, ON PAGE 1 34, IT SAYS, PROMOTES AND PROTECTS ENDURING VALUE OF DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS.

STRONG NEIGHBORHOODS ARE VITAL TO DALLAS'S SUCCESS AS A WORLD CLASS CITY.

SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE FORD DALLAS PLANT FROM 2006 TALKED ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF DALLAS.

THEY'RE AN ENDURING PART OF DALLAS'S LEGACY.

IT WHAT IS, WHAT MAKES DALLAS A STRONG WORLD CLASS CITY? WE NEED TO BE PROTECTING THOSE FOLKS THAT, AGAIN, REPRESENT, UH, 80% OF THE LANDMASS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

AND, AND, AND YOU READ THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, AND IT'S ALL ORIENTED TO MISSING MIDDLE AND GENTLE DENSITY AND, AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THAT.

AND NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT PROTECTING HISTORICAL DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, NSOS, ET CETERA.

AND, AND OF COURSE, NOTHING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION.

SO FOLKS IN NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL THAT WITH THIS PLAN BEING ADOPTED, THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ON, ON EDGE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THE ONUS IS GONNA BE ON THEM TO PROTECT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FEEL THAT THE CCP C IS GONNA BE PROTECTING THEM WHEN THESE ZONING CASES COME UP.

BECAUSE DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA USE THIS PLAN TO BASICALLY JUSTIFY ALL THIS INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND THESE VACANT LOTS WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO IF, IF, IF, IF THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT, THEN WE SHOULD MAKE THESE CHANGES THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE ASKED FOR.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, AND WE THANK YOU.

I, UM, I HAVE TO GO TO THE SAME COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WITH, UM, MR. FORSYTH AND, AND HAVE HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THIS.

UM, I WILL SAY, UNFORTUNATELY, THE LAST, SINCE 2006, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE ALREADY CHANGED.

WE'VE ALLOWED MULTIFAMILY NEXT TO RESIDENTIALS OF POOR PEOPLE OR MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE.

WE'VE ALLOWED TOWN HOMES AND AREAS THAT WERE DEEMED POOR OR THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

UM, WE FARMED COMMUNITIES THIS WAY BY PUTTING POOR PEOPLE IN AREAS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE BEEN FORSAKEN.

SO NOW THEY ARE THE COMMUNITY.

I HAVE SEVERAL COMMUNITIES IN MY DISTRICT.

UH, THE ELDER, ELDER OAK COMMUNITY, FOR INSTANCE, IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE RED BIRD AREA.

I HAVE CAPELLA PARK WHO HAS LIVED WORK AREA, UM, RESIDENCES THAT OWN THEIR PROPERTIES IN MY COMMUNITY.

UM, I GO TO TWIN OAKS HARBOR GLEN, ALL ALONG KEITH, THEIR APARTMENTS ARE BUDDING

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RESIDENCES.

HOW DO I MA MAKE A PLAN THAT SAYS YOU ARE NO LONGER SUPPORTED OR A PRIMARY USE.

WE DON'T EVEN NEED YOU HERE.

THAT'S HARD FOR ME.

SO I, I I UNDERSTAND THAT SINGLE FAMILY, UM, UM, RESIDENTS WANT PROTECTION.

I THINK THIS GIVES US THE PROTECTION WE NEED FURTHER THAN FOR DALLAS.

OH SIX FOR DALLAS, OH SIX, CALL FOR MULTI-FAMILY ACROSS THE BOARD AS A PRIMARY USE.

IT DID NOT SAY MULTIPLEX.

IT DIDN'T SAY TOWNHOME, IT SAID MULTIFAMILY ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE GOTTEN, THAT'S BEEN USED.

WE HAVE 300 UNIT APARTMENTS, 400 UNIT APARTMENTS, 200 UNIT APARTMENTS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, ACROSS DISTRICT THREE.

UM, THE NUMBERS ARE OUTSTANDING.

SO, UM, I I, I SUPPORT MOVING IT AS A, UH, PRIMARY.

I MEAN, AS A I ON THE FENCE RIGHT NOW.

IT IS A PRIMARY USE OF MY COMMUNITY TODAY.

UM, MAKING IT SUPPORTIVE.

I CAN GET BEHIND, BUT ELIMINATED IT COMPLETELY.

I, I, I DON'T THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER KEYSTON.

FOLLOW THAT.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

CARPENTER BLAIR, THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I PROBABLY REPRESENT THE MOST DIVERSE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF HOUSING TYPE OF THE CITY, AND I'M GETTING FEEDBACK THAT'S ALL OVER THE MAP.

THE LOUDEST GROUP IS THE, PROBABLY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING ACTIVISTS.

UM, BUT I, I JUST, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER FORSETH SAID.

I, I'M HEARING STAFF SAY THAT THE REVISIONS TO THE PLAN WILL INCLUDE RECOGNITION OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, NSOS PDS, AND THAT THE MAP WILL BE UPDATED TO INCLUDE SOME OF THAT AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T FIND IT ALL THAT HELPFUL TO CONTINUALLY LOOK BACK AT A PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD.

I MEAN, 20 YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE UBER .

I MEAN, WE PEOPLE WERE BARELY USING CELL PHONES.

I MEAN, I JUST, I DON'T FIND THAT ALL THAT HELPFUL.

CITIES CHANGE.

THEY, THE ONE THING THAT IS TRUE IS CITIES DO NOT STAY THE SAME.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING THE SINGLE FAMILY ADVOCATES ASK IS THAT NOTHING CHANGE, AND THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC.

UM, WE ARE EXPECTING AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF PEOPLE COME TO OUR CITY.

AND WHEN I THINK BACK TO WHAT AUSTIN TRIED TO DO YEARS AGO, THEY DIDN'T WANT, THEY DIDN'T WANT POPULATION GROWTH.

SO THEY JUST DUG THEIR HEELS AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA BUILD MORE ROADS.

WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA BUILD HOUSING.

AND FOR DECADES, THEY DEALT WITH SOME OF THOSE BAD DECISIONS.

AND WHAT THIS DOCUMENT SHOULD BE DOING IS PLANNING AND TRYING TO MANAGE THAT CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S COMING WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT.

AND WE CAN EITHER CHANGE IN A DIRECTION THAT SOME OF THE NORTHEASTERN CITIES LIKE DETROIT DID, OR WE CAN MANAGE THE CHANGE IN A HEALTHY WAY AND PROSPER FROM IT.

AND SO I, AS MUCH AS I RESPECT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING ADVOCATES, I THINK WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR WAYS TO INCREASE DENSITY IN PLACES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I, I, I THINK THAT DESTABILIZES COMMUNITIES AND I DON'T SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, EVERY VACANT LOT, UH, THAT IT, CLEARLY COUNCIL'S ALREADY SAID THEY DON'T SUPPORT IT EITHER.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT PLACES WHERE IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO DO IT.

AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS CITY TO DO NOT ONLY MULTIFAMILY, BUT OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING, UM, THAT, THAT CAN LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY, WHETHER IT'S COTTAGE COURT OR SHARED ACCESS, OR OTHER TYPES OF WAYS TO MORE EFFICIENTLY USE OUR LAND.

AND THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS WE SHOULD BE HAVING INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO HARP ON SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY AT THIS HORSESHOE SHOULD DARN WELL KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA DO.

DESIGNATION, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, IT NEVER GOT ITS PROPER CITY DESIGNATION.

COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU THERE? I THINK THAT, UM, DURING THIS PROCESS, ESPECIALLY AS FORWARD DALLAS HAS BEEN, HAS HEATED UP.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT I WAS TOLD EARLY ON, DON'T BE DRIVEN BY FEAR.

AND SO I HAVEN'T MADE, DID A BUNCH OF PUBLIC CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS BECAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR, BUT I DID A LOT OF TALKING WITH STAFF AND ASKING STAFF, WHAT DOES THIS EXACTLY MEAN? WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS NEEDING? HAVING SMALLER COMMUNITY GROUPS AS A, FORMING A COALITION OF NEIGHBORS AND COMING IN AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? THESE ARE OUR FEARS.

HOW CAN WE CALM THOSE FEARS? WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTH DALLAS, QUEEN CITY THAT HAS A NATIONAL HISTORIC

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AND SO THEY STARTED HAVING GROWTH, BUT BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING WITH STAFF, WE WERE ABLE TO GO IN AND HELP THEM GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY'RE JUST ABOUT, ABOUT TO GET THEIR, THE FULL HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, WHICH WOULD THEN STOP THE TYPE OF BUILDING THAT IS BEING BUILT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THAT GOES INTO HAVING MORE INTENSE TALKS WITH STAFF, UM, BUT NOT, SO NOT BEING DRIVEN BY FEAR BECAUSE THERE IS A TRUE FEAR THAT WHERE IS THESE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS GOING TO GO AGAIN? UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS A, A AREA THAT YOU LOOK AT AND YOU'RE LIKE, THIS WOULD MAKE SENSE IF WE KNOW THAT WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE GREEDY IF THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE DO NEED THAT ASPECT OF WHERE WE, WHERE THEY, THEY ARE FORCED TO COME SPEAK WITH US ALONG CORRIDORS.

THERE'S AREAS THAT, THAT, THAT CAN LOOK AT THAT.

AND WHEN WE GO TO COMMUNITIES AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND NOT LET OUTSIDE ENTITIES COME IN AND, AND PUT A F FACTOR IN THEM, WE CAN HELP THOSE COMMUNITIES UNDERSTAND THIS MIGHT FIT HERE AND WE'LL NOT, WE WILL NOT HURT YOUR, UM, YOUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS TYPE OF DENSITY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL, EVEN FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

BUT THIS DOES, AND THIS IS TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE WHO WILL GET PRICED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE, LOOK, I THINK THAT SOME OF THIS WORK IS NOT SO MUCH A FORWARD DALLAS, BUT THERE IS LANGUAGE.

THE FIRST THING THAT I DID READ OFF WAS THE INFIELD LOT LANGUAGE HAS TO, TO CHANGE BECAUSE IT WILL BECOME HARMFUL FOR AREAS THAT DON'T, THAT ARE, THAT, THAT ARE FACING GENTRIFICATION.

THERE WILL BE, GENTRIFICATION DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BAD IF IT'S DONE RIGHT.

AND THAT'S COMMUNITY DRIVEN.

SO THE, I THINK THAT SOME OF THIS IS LANGUAGE NOT, AND THE LANGUAGE, AND THEN GETTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY NOT TO BE DRIVEN BY THEIR OWN FEARS, NOT FOR OUTSIDE ENTITIES TO COME IN AND, AND, AND, AND MISINTERPRET WHAT IS BEING WROTE, BUT THOSE THINGS THAT DO NEED TO BE CLARIFIED, WE CLARIFY THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WRITE, WE GET IT RIGHT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.

BECAUSE YES, THERE ARE AREAS THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE RUN AMOK, AND WHEN THEY'VE RUN AMUCK, IT, IT CAUSES A FER AND IT CHANGES COMMUNITIES.

WE HAVE, UH, AREAS WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT AFFORD BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND EVERYBODY FROM AS LONG AS EVEN WHEN I FIRST STARTED, UM, REALLY DIGGING INTO WHAT ZONING LOOKS LIKE, WE THOUGHT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEANT REALLY WHAT IS LATTE AND NOT A COMBINATION OF EVERYONE.

UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE YESTERDAY AND I HAD TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS YES, IT'S ONE PART OF IT IS LITECH, BUT I WANT THE, I WANT THE TEACHER, I WANT THE, THE, THE POLICE OFFICER, THE FIREMAN.

I WANT EVERYONE A WORKING CLASS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE ALONG WITH THOSE WITH, WITH HIGHER INCOMES IN ONE AREA.

AND THAT, AND DOING THAT IS, THIS IS NOT JUST AT THE HORSESHOE.

WE HAVE TO BE INTO THE COMMUNITIES AND ENSURING THAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE, ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT CAN HAPPEN AND HOW THAT, WHAT TYPE OF PROTECTIONS THEY NEED TO PUT IN PLACE IS THERE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT NEED TO BE WRITTEN IN TO AREAS THAT HAVE PDS.

AND THEN I THINK THAT THIS WILL MAKE SENSE, BUT THERE ARE SOME FEW WORDS THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AND WE NEED TO CLARIFY, ESPECIALLY ON INFIELD LOTS.

AND THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE, THE WHOLE PERSPECTIVE OF, OF THIS PROJECT.

THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, UM, WOOD FORWARD DALLAS, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

LET'S, LET'S TAKE A, A QUICK 15 MINUTE BREAK.

WE HAVE A VERY SPECIAL GUEST HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY IS HERE.

WE'RE GONNA HONOR HER.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PICK OUR LUNCHES AND COME RIGHT BACK.

15 MINUTES.

BE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL ANYMORE.

COMMISSIONER, IT IS 1:29 PM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

UH, WE ARE BACK ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHETHER TO CHANGE MULTIPLEX FROM A PRIMARY TO A SUPPORTING USE IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UH, OKAY.

MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE QUESTION IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DECIDING WHETHER IT'S, UM, PRIMARY SUPPORTING IN BOTH SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT MULTIPLEX FITS THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY USE FOR EITHER OF THOSE PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES.

IF PRIMARY USE IS DEFINED AS THE MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USE, THAT PLAYS A PIVOTAL ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING A PLACE TYPE.

AND THEN, UM, SECONDARY USE WILL BE THE LESS PREVALENT USE IT SEEMS TO ME.

UH, MULTIPLEX, UH, FOR THOSE TWO PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES, FITS THE SUPPORT OF THE SECONDARY USE DEFINITION BETTER.

I THINK IT'S ESPECIALLY EASY TO SEE FOR SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IF MULTIPLEX IS A PRIMARY USE AND IT'S THE PREVALENT USE THAT PLAYS THE ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING THE PLACE TYPE, UM, TO ME IT WOULD NOT

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IF, IF MULTIPLEX WAS THE, THE PROMINENT PLACE TYPE.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATELY, UH, PRIMARY IN, UH, CITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, MIXED USE, COMMUNITY MIXED USE.

BUT I THINK FOR BOTH SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, IT JUST DOES NOT FIT THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY USE.

THE WAY I READ THE, UH, DESCRIPTION OF THOSE PLACE TYPES, IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S VERY, UH, IT HAS A, A ROLE AS A SECONDARY USE, BUT JUST NOT AS PRIMARY.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR? I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

UM, WHEN I LOOK AT PRIMARY USE, I LOOK AT THE, THE WHOLE TOTALITY OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT SECONDARY USE, I LOOK AT THE, THE PERIMETER AND THE, THE, THE FRINGES.

AND WHEN WE, IN, IN FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEBODY ELSE WILL PICK UP THIS BOOK AND INTERPRET IT DIFFERENTLY.

SO IN MY DISTRICT, WE HAVE, WE ARE, MY DISTRICT IS EXTREMELY ECLECTIC.

ANYTHING YOU WANT, YOU GOT DOWN THERE.

BUT THE SECTIONS THAT ARE , SINGLE FAMILY, THEY ARE STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF SINGLE FAMILY AND WITH NOT ANY INFILL.

BUT IN MY DISTRICT, AND I'M, AND, AND I'M, I HAVE TO TALK TO THE TOTALITY OF DISTRICT EIGHT, WE HAVE THAT SECTION THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY, THEY WANNA REMAIN THAT WE HAVE HAD FRINGES OF DUPLEX AMONGST THEM.

AND WE FIND THAT WHEN WE GET THOSE TYPE, THAT TYPE OF TERM OF LANGUAGE, IT, WE, IT, WE SEE A SCOPE, A SCOPE CREEP FOR ALL THOSE PROJECT MANAGERS OUT THERE.

UM, WHERE IT'S, YOU HAVE A LINE HERE AND THE THE DELINEATION OF THE LINE CHANGES.

THE, THE BEAUTY ABOUT THIS IS THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES HAVE TO COME TO CPC AND TO CITY COUNCIL.

THEY CAN'T JUST BE DONE.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU, AND, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR CASE REPORTS AND OUR CASE REPORTS REFLECT ON FOR DALLAS, WHETHER IT'S 2006 AND MAYBE TOMORROW 2024, HOPEFULLY TOMORROW, 2024, AND IF WE CAN GET IT TO 24, THEN WE CAN GET SOME AUTHORIZED HEARINGS DONE.

UNDER COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UNDER INSTITUTIONAL, YES.

? SO MY PLUG, SO WHEN I LOOK AT MULTIPLEX, IF I HAD TO GIVE UP SOMETHING, I WOULD GIVE UP TOWNHOMES, DUPLEX, AND TRIPLEX AS A SUPPORTING, AS A, AS A PRIMARY AND, AND, AND LOOK AT MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND AT ALL AS SECONDARY IN THE SECTION OF DISTRICT EIGHT, THAT'S COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

BUT CAN I DO THIS BECAUSE I'M TALKING THE TOTALITY OF DISTRICT EIGHT WHEN I LOOK, BECAUSE I HAVE INSTITUTIONAL, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PAGE FOR THE INSTITUTIONAL CAMPUS PUBLIC UTILITY, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THE, AN ECLECTIC THAT'S A, A OPPORTUNITY FOR A WHOLE CITY WITHIN ITSELF, ALL TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND IN THAT ONE, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED, I WOULD PUT MULTI, I WOULD PUT SINGLE FAMILY, UM, ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED, MULTIPLEX MIXED USE, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT WILL FIT.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT DISTRICT EIGHT, I'D HAVE TO SAY MULTIPLEX NO.

UNDER SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL, NO, AS C AS AS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SAID, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT.

THERE IS A TWO WORDS WITH THAT ARE VERY SMALL, BUT HAVE VERY MEANINGFUL DISTINCTIONS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADD IN HERE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, EXPRESSED.

VICE CHAIR.

WELL, I THINK I SAID EARLIER IN THE MEETING THAT I LIKE WORDS AND LIKE TO THINK ABOUT WORDS.

AND I'M GOING TO GET, UM, VERY GRANULAR HERE.

AND, UM, GOING BACK TO PRIMARY AND SECONDARY, I THINK AS WE'VE AGREED TO GO TO, UM,

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OR ACTUALLY ONE WORD.

AND THOSE TWO WORDS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED ARE A AND THE .

I'M ON THE PHONE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW I'M ON ONE.

SO THERE ARE TWO WAYS THAT PRIMARY USE COULD READ.

IT COULD BE THE MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT PLAN USE THAT PLAYS A PIVOTAL ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING A MO A PLACE TYPE.

AND THAT SUGGESTS TO ME THAT THAT USE WOULD BE A MAJORITY, BUT IF WE HAD PRIMARY USE READ A MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USE THAT PLAYS A PIVOTAL ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING A PLACE TYPE, I THINK THAT IS MUCH MORE SENSITIVE TO HOW, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLEXES COULD FIT IN TO, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A PRIMARY USE IN VARIOUS CATEGORIES.

I THINK IF IT'S THE, IF IT'S THE PRIMARY USE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE SORT OF SCENARIO THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT, THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE RAISED FOR MULTIPLEXES.

BUT IF WE TALK ABOUT PRIMARY USES IN TERMS OF A MORE PREVALENT USE THAT HELPS ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT STACKING THE SCALE, YOU KNOW, IN PURELY IN FAVOR OF MULTIPLEXES, BUT THEY PLAY A MEANINGFUL ROLE.

THEY CAN BE PREVALENT, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY PREDOMINANT LAND USE.

KIND OF TO ADD TO WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, I THINK THE CURRENT DEFINITION DOESN'T HAVE A, OR THE, UM, SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING ADDING THE A WOULD HELP EMPHASIZE WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE, UM, CURRENTLY, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK SOME OF US ARE THINK, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE'S NO ARTICLE AT THE FRONT OF EITHER OF THOSE, SOME PEOPLE'S MIND DEFAULTS TO THE OTHER PEOPLE'S MIND DEFAULTS TO A, SO LET'S JUST BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AND START, AND START THOSE WITH AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT WEIGHING, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THE, OKAY.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE CONSIDERING WHETHER TO CHANGE MULTIPLEX FROM A PRIMARY TO A SECONDARY USE IN THE COMMUNITY, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK.

UM, SO I'M GONNA TAKE THE OTHER, UH, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOWN HERE IN THE NITTY GRITTY WORDSMITH THING, AND IT, TO ME, I'M GONNA ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AS IS, AND IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN MENTIONED YET.

WHY ARE WE EVEN PROPOSING TO DO DENSITY IN THESE AREAS? IT'S TO SOLVE A PROBLEM IN, EXCUSE ME, IT'S TO SOLVE A CRISIS.

WE'VE SEEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WAYS THAT WE NEED TO SEE THE DATA OR HOW MANY WAYS WE NEED TO SPLIT THIS, BUT THE WHOLE REASON THAT THIS IS BEING PROPOSED IS TO SOLVE WHAT, WHAT IS IS GROWING TO A HOUSING CATASTROPHE IN FIVE YEARS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS INTERESTING, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE A PA CONFERENCE THIS YEAR.

AND SO IT WAS THE, THE PLANNING CONFERENCE PLANNERS CAME FROM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.

THERE WERE CITY OFFICIALS THERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL MAYORS THERE, THERE WAS APPOINTEES FROM MUNICIPALITIES THERE, THERE WERE STUDENTS THERE, BUT EVERYBODY CAME TOGETHER.

AND AFTER THREE DAYS, YOU COULD SEE THE DOMINANT THEMES THAT WERE, WERE PREVALENT IN ALL MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE NUMBER ONE DOMINANT THEME THAT I SAW WAS AFFORDABILITY CRISIS EVERYWHERE, AND HOW ALL THESE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE WRESTLING WITH THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM.

EVERY SINGLE MUNICIPALITY, NOT ONE BREAKOUT SESSION.

THE TALKED ABOUT DOING THE STARTING POINT IS, IS TO GET MORE HOUSING INTO THE MARKET BY WAY OF LOOSENING UP ON ZONING RESTRICTIONS.

THIS IS JUST THE MOST BASIC, COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD STARTING POINT.

AND TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BACKING UP ON SOMETHING THAT WE PASSED IN 2006 IS LIKE UNCONSCIONABLE.

I, I, I JUST CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THAT WE ARE NOT SOUNDING THE ALARM BELLS WHEN YOU HAVE A CRISIS IN YOUR HOME OR YOUR BUSINESS OR WITH ONE OF YOUR KIDS, IT IS ALL HANDS ON DECK.

WE ARE SOLVING THIS AND WE JUST CONTINUE TO BUMBLE ALONG, BOGGED DOWN IN WORDSMITHING AND NOT EVEN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE A MASSIVE PROBLEM IN THE CITY THAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE.

SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS AS A PRIMARY USE, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER.

LET'S, LET'S TRY FOLKS, WE, UM, LET'S HONE IT IN.

LET'S STAND ON THE LINE ITEM AND LET'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT FEELING A CONSENSUS HERE.

I KIND OF KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE ARE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S TRY TO HONE IT IN IF WE CAN.

IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THIS, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WORDING CHANGE.

OH,

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UM, IT NEEDS TO BE A WORDING.

IT NEED TO BE, SOME WORDS NEED TO BE CHANGED, SOME DEFINITIONS NEED TO BE DEFINED.

WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT, UM, WHERE THOSE PLACE TYPES ARE AT.

UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, THE CLASSES WE DID ATTEND AT A PA, UM, I WANNA SAY IT WAS THE CITY OF KANSAS CITY AND I, I BELIEVE IT WAS MYSELF AND MS. BLUE.

AND WHAT I SAW WAS THE CITY WORKED WITH A DEVELOPER WHO WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY, THINGS THAT WERE UNHEARD OF TO GET THOSE MIXED INCOME, MIXED INCOME, MIXED USE, UM, MULTIFAMILY BILLS.

BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT ALSO, THAT WAS COMMUNITY DEVELOPED.

IT WAS A COMMUNITY EFFORT.

AND SO THE FUR IS NOT PLACE TYPES.

THE FUR IS DEVELOPERS AND THEM GOING TOO FAR.

AND SO AS MUCH AS WE NEED ROOFTOPS, WE NEED THEM, WE NEED, MY AREA NEEDS SOME APARTMENTS, WE NEED THOSE THINGS BACK BECAUSE MY POPULATION, UM, COULD POSSIBLY BE GENTRIFIED BECAUSE OF RENTERS NOT BEING ABLE TO RENT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP, HOME BUYER THERE, WE HAVE TO BE HONEST, UM, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER OWN, BUT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN IN THE SAME COMMUNITY THAT THEY WERE RAISED IN.

AND WE HAVE SOME HISTORICAL COMMUNITY.

SOUTH DALLAS IS A HISTORICAL COMMUNITY.

CHOPPY IS A HISTORICAL COMMUNITY.

THERE IS PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN DISTRICT EIGHT AND DISTRICT FIVE IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES, AND THEIR CHILDREN LIVE IN THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND THEIR, AND SOME OF THEIR MOTHERS LIVED IN THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES BECAUSE IT'S A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.

AND I ONLY WAY THERE HAS TO BE SOME CHANGES.

UM, AND PRETTY MUCH WHAT I PRESENTED AREA EARLIER WILL HELP ME BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO MY COMMUNITY AND ENSURE THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT WHERE ANY DEVELOPER CAN COME INTO ANY BIG SPOT AND, AND JUST BECAUSE HE BELIEVES THAT THE, AND COME PRESENT US SOMETHING REAL NICE AND QUEUED IN A PACKAGE THAT SAYS THAT THIS IS GONNA HELP AND THEN COME IN AND DO AN IN LOOP FEED.

THESE, ALL THESE THINGS MAKE UP ON WHY THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AND AND A LOT OF THE NORTHERN SECTOR ARE, ARE SCARED.

IT'S A, IT IS A SCARE.

IT'S ANUNA WE'RE AFRAID.

BUT THOSE, I THINK THE LANGUAGES THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS.

UM, AND, AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND, UM, WHY, UM, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK IS, IT IS HIS STANDS, BUT I THINK THAT IT COMES DOWN TO A FEAR THAT SOME KINDA WAY THAT COMMUNITY WILL GET LOST IN THE, IN, IN THESE CONVERSATIONS.

AND SO FOR ME, IT'S NOT THE ROOFTOPS, IT'S THE COMMUNITY AS ASPECT.

THE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL KEEP WILL THAT, THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THOSE AREAS THAT ARE HA THAT HAVE SINGLE FAMILY PREDOMINANTLY, YOU HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE THAT MIXTURE THAT CAN, THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS CAN BE LOOSENED A LITTLE BIT, BUT IN AREAS THAT THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY, THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS NOT PUTTING IN FIELD LOTS IN ALL ONE PACKAGE.

UM, LOOKING AT CORRIDORS THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE MORE OF A MIX MIX HOUSING COMPONENT INSTEAD OF A JUST AN A, A, UM, A JUST RESIDENTIAL ONLY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE SHIRT, THOSE MIXED USES.

UM, AND, AND CREATING COMMUNITY.

UH, PEOPLE WANNA LIVE, WORK AND PLAY WHERE THEY LIVE.

THEY WANT PLACES FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO PLAY.

UM, PUTTING IN POSSIBLY SOMETHING IN THAT, IF YOU HAVE SO MANY UNITS WHERE THE CHIL YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT CHILDREN.

PEOPLE HAVE KIDS WHETHER THEY'RE IN A ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE OR SO ON, IF THEY'RE IN A MULTI, A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE, WHEN WE'RE BUILDING MULTIPLEXES, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAYGROUND.

RIGHT? THERE IS NOWHERE THAT PEOPLE USED TO THINK THAT YOU NEED SOMEWHERE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY.

CHILDREN ARE A AFTERTHOUGHT.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MILLENNIALS AND THOSE WHO WANNA WORK, PLAY AND, AND, AND, AND GO OUT FOR NOTHING ABOUT OUR CHILDREN.

UM, I WANT MY SON TO, I WANT MY SON TO SEE HIS, HIS FRIENDS KIDS AND THEIR KIDS PLAY TOGETHER IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS MULTIPLE, THAT MULTI-GENERATIONAL.

HALL, I'LL NEED, WE ALL NEED TO SPEAK UP ON THIS OR I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TAKING A VOTE.

THIS, THIS IS A TOUGH TOPIC, BUT UM, I, I DO HEAR SOME CLEAR CONSENSUS FROM SOME FOLKS, BUT NOT FROM OTHERS.

NOT ENOUGH TO, TO MOVE HERE OR ARE WE A BODY? YEAH, IT'S JUST, JUST ONE LINE ITEM, WHETHER TO CHANGE MULTIPLEX TO A PRIMARY FROM A PRIMARY TO A SECONDARY USE IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL CHANGE THE COLOR.

NO, BUT COMMISSIONER

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SO THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

UM, THE, THE POINT OF TODAY IS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE STAFF DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHICH WAY THIS LINE ITEM IS GOING TO GO.

SO THEN THAT THEY CAN GO AWAY AND PREPARE IT ALL WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WHEN WE VOTE ON THIS, POTENTIALLY ON THE 17TH, THAT YOU MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY VOTE AGAINST WHAT YOU MAY THINK TODAY.

SO IT'S NOT A VOTE TODAY, IT'S, IT'S JUST, JUST DIRECTION FOR STAFF BECAUSE THEY DO NEED TO HAVE A, A PRETTY SOLID DRAFT FOR US ON THE 17TH.

SO IN, SO I GUESS JUST IN THE SPIRIT OF THINGS I'LL THROW OUT, I'M WITH COMMISSIONER CHERNOCK ON THIS.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

I, I'M REALLY ON THE FENCE WITH THIS ONE AND I'M REALLY LEANING TOWARDS NOT DOING IT AS A, AS A PRIMARY.

UM, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WHEN WE SEE THE NEXT VERSION, WE SHOULD SEE SOME BETTER WORDSMITHING.

WE SHOULD SEE SOME, UM, SOME DEF MORE BETTER DEFINITIONS.

SOME, UM, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SOME STANDARDS, SOME IN SOME WHERE, WHERE PLACEMENT CAN AND CANNOT BE.

SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, AT THIS POINT, UNTIL I SEE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR PROTECTION WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO RE-LOOK AT THAT, AT THE VOTE BASED ON WHAT, WHAT THE CORRECTIONS THAT I, AND THE MORE, BETTER DEFINITIONS BECAUSE I, IT COULD GO BOTH WAYS.

NO, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO I THINK IN ADDITION TO KINDA WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, A LOT OF THAT, THOSE COMMENTS AND SORT OF DESIGN STANDARDS, LOCATIONAL CRITERIA, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE AS AS A BODY AND THERE'S A PRETTY GENERAL CONSENSUS.

WE KIND OF NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE NEXT UPDATE.

UH, AS WE'RE WORKING ON THIS, THIS CURRENT UPDATE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE, WHAT WE PROPOSE OR SHOULD OR PROVIDE TO YOU ALL REFLECTS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS, WHAT THIS BODY WANTS.

UH, JUST SO THAT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BUTTON THAT UP NOW.

UH, PLEASE GIL, I THINK WE DO HAVE CONSENSUS THEN PLEASE.

I WAS GONNA DO A TRANSLATION FOR HOPEFULLY HELPING TO BUTTON IT UP.

AND I THINK IT'S LARGELY WHAT YOU HAD SAID, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THAT WHAT I WAS THINKING.

SO WHAT I FEEL LIKE I'VE HEARD SO FAR, IF I WERE TO GO BACK TODAY AND UPDATE A DRAFT, IS THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE WANNA DEFINITELY KEEP IT PRIMARY, KEEP IT AS THE CLUB DRAFT IS CURRENTLY TODAY.

THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE ON THE FENCE, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE MORE, HAVE MORE CONCERNS, BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT POTENTIALLY THERE WILL BE LESSER CONCERNS IF WE SEE SOME OF THAT.

WE'VE HEARD VERY LOUD AND CLEAR DESIGN LANGUAGE, COMMUNITY ORIENTED, UM, SOME LO MORE LOCATIONAL DI YOU KNOW, DIRECTIONAL LANGUAGE THAT'S HELPFUL ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THE WHERE AND THEN, SO I THINK IF, IF I WERE TO WRITE A DRAFT TODAY, I WOULD PROBABLY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THE NEXT TIME AROUND, AGAIN, NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE BOUND TO THIS, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE KEEP IT AS THE DOTS AS THE CLUB DRAFT IS TODAY, BUT THAT WE COME BACK WITH THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE AND THEN YOU CAN DECIDE IF THAT LANGUAGE MAKES YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE OR IF YOU STILL HAVE MORE ANGST ABOUT IT.

AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ON THE 17TH.

I I CAN COMPROMISE WITH THAT, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WITH THOSE, THOSE BOUNDARIES AND PARAMETERS AND DESIGN STANDARDS YOU COME BACK WITH, IF IT STILL GIVE ANGST, THEN YES, I I CAN, I CAN, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

YOU CAN 100% STILL HAVE ANGST AND SAY, THIS STILL DOESN'T MEET MY NEEDS AND AT THAT TIME WE CAN VOTE ABSOLUTELY TAKE OUT THAT WILL BE AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE.

SO WITH, TO MOVE THIS ON, I WILL SAY I WILL LEAVE IT IN WITH THE, THE CONNOTATION WITH WITH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT AT A LATER TIME IF THE, IF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU THAT ARE PROMISED DOES NOT TAKE ALL THAT FEAR AWAY.

EXACTLY.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ITEM FOLKS.

THREE, UM, I'M GONNA JUMP INTO IS NOW LOOKING AT THE CITY RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PLACE TYPES IN TERMS OF ITS DESIGNATION, UH, WITH SINGLE FAMILY BEING PRIMARY OR SECONDARY.

SO THANK YOU.

UM, SO ITEM

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SO THAT SHOULD BE ON YOUR PACKAGES, I BELIEVE, UH, 19 THROUGH 21.

UH, WHAT WE DID, WE ADDED A FEW MORE JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON CITY RESIDENTIAL FIRST, UM, IN TERMS OF SINGLE FAMILY BEING MOVED OR, OR THE POTENTIAL CHANGE TO, TO GO FROM THE CURRENTLY CLUB VERSION, WHICH IS A SUPPORTING USE TO A POTENTIAL, UM, UPDATE, WHICH WOULD BE A PRIMARY USE.

SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEFINITIONS OF PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING, PRIMARY BEING THE PREVALENT, UH, MORE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE USE THAT YOU SEE MORE OFTEN, UH, AS WE ARE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY, UH, MAKE THIS THE SINGLE FAMILY.

LEMME SORRY, LEMME ZOOM IN A BIT TOO.

UH, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACH.

OOPS, ONE SECOND.

ALRIGHT, APOLOGIES.

SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, THE, SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS TO MOVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ATTACH TO PRIMARY.

SO IF, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED, UH, UH, SATISFIES THE, THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT PRIOR, UM, THEN I, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT ADDING SINGLE FAMILY TO THE CITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH HAS CONDOS, APARTMENTS, IS THE HIGH HIGHEST DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE OKAY HAVING SINGLE FAMILY AND APARTMENTS IN THE SAME PLACE TYPE AND THERE WOULD BOTH BE, UH, SEEN AS THE SAME PRIMARY USE.

THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION THAT WE HEARD.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR FROM THIS BODY THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO GO.

IF NOT, UH, WE WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE CLUB RECOMMENDATION WHERE IT IS A SUPPORTING SECONDARY USE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS AGAIN, UH, COMMENT STRICTLY TO WHETHER TO ADD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIALS, A PRIMARY LAND USE TO CITY RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PLACE TIMES, MR. RUBIN? YEAH, I THINK I AM NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CHANGE BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT CITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE CATEGORY PROVIDE A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, PUT A LOT OF THIS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND DENSITY THAT WE NEED IN THE CITY IN THOSE PLACE TYPES.

AND I THINK PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED AS, AS PRIMARY USES IN THOSE TWO PLACE TYPES WILL BE SORT OF A MIXED, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD CONVERSATIONS AT CLUB, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF WAYS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING NEEDS AND IT'S NOT JUST LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL DENSITY IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER AREAS LIKE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND IF SOMEONE CAME AND, AND WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, KNOCK DOWN A MORIBUND SHOPPING CENTER AND, AND PUT IN A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, SUBDIVISION, I WOULD HAVE TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHETHER THAT IS TRULY THE BEST USE RIGHT THERE.

UM, WHEN THERE IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF HOUSING, UM, EITHER AS, YOU KNOW, PURELY MULTIFAMILY OR IN, IN SORT OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF WAYS TO SORT OF RELIEVE THE HOUSING PRESSURE AND I, I THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, REALLY MEANINGFUL VALVE AND IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SERIOUSLY CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL NON DENSE SINGLE FAMILY IN THOSE AREAS, YOU KNOW, THE SORT OF PRESSURE IS GOING TO HAVE TO VENT OUT ELSEWHERE.

SO I DON'T WANNA MISS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THESE TWO, YOU KNOW, AS A SECONDARY USE, IT STILL ALLOWS IT.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, HA FORCES US TO HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION IF SOMEONE DOES WANNA PUT IN SORT OF LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY IN ONE OF THESE AREAS.

TWO FOCUSED ON SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

AND ONE, JUST ONE THING TO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.

I THINK JUST ONE THING TO ADD, I FORGOT TO MENTION IS CURRENTLY, UM, THERE ARE ONLY TWO PLACE TYPES THAT HAVE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED AS PRIMARY.

THAT IS A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE SINGLE, UH, IN THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL.

UM, BASICALLY THOSE

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SO AS WE START TO LOOK AT OPENING UP OTHER PLACE TYPES TO HAVE THAT AS BEING PRIMARY, UM, THEN THERE ISN'T A PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE FOCUSED ON THAT.

OR I GUESS YOU CAN SAY THAT FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, HOW THOSE DOTS ARE BEING PLAYED OUT.

SO JUST A LOOKING TO ADD.

AND THE ONE OTHER THING IS I'VE READ PROBABLY HUNDREDS IF NOT, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND PLUS EMAILS ON THIS.

I'VE SAT THROUGH MULTIPLE MEETINGS.

I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD ANYONE SAY, UM, PUT THESE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING TYPES AS PRIMARY, UM, IN, IN THESE TWO PLACE TYPES.

SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I, I'VE MISSED SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY IS, I I'VE NOT HEARD ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY SORT OF CLAMOR FOR THIS, RIGHT, MR. KINGSTON.

AND THIS CHANGE MAY HAVE COME FROM ME.

I THINK PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IS USING A MAP TO DEFINE AREAS IS NOT VERY ARTFUL.

AND THERE'S PARTS OF NORTH OAK LAWN AREA LIKE PERRY HEIGHTS, THAT'S TRADITIONALLY MORE SINGLE FAMILY THAT YOU'VE COLORED ORANGE THAT IF IT WERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY YOU WOULD'VE COLORED IT YELLOW.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S CAUSING SOME ANGST.

I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE TALK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK OF IT AS R SEVEN FIVE, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE R SEVEN FIVE.

I THINK THAT A, IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THE LEDGE IS DOING, WE MAY END UP WITH MUCH SMALLER LOTS IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.

UM, AND SO THAT MAY OPEN UP SOME OPPORTUNITIES IN SOME OF THESE AREAS TO DO, UM, MORE AFFORDABLE SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS A PRODUCT THAT PEOPLE DO WANT.

AND I THINK THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER TYPES OF ORGAN WAYS TO ORGANIZE HOUSING, LIKE COTTAGE COURT OR SHARED ACCESS, THAT THERE'S SOME REAL OPPORTUNITIES IN SOME OF THE PLACES WE'VE PAINTED ORANGE TO PROVIDE THAT HOUSING TYPE WITHOUT SACRIFICING, UM, SOME OF THE GOALS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE HOUSING.

SO I, THAT'S WHY I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR LEAVING THIS AS A PRIMARY IN CITY RESIDENTIAL.

UH, DALLAS HAS A LOT OF LAND AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY IN WHAT WE ALREADY CALL CITY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND I THINK AS WE, AS THE CITY CHANGES AND OUR LAWS CHANGE, WHETHER WE DO IT AT THIS LEVEL OR ANOTHER LEVEL, WE SHOULD BE ANTICIPATING SOME OF THOSE CHANGES AND HOW, UH, THE ECONOMY OR THE MARKET'S GONNA CHANGE WITH IT.

UM, THAT'S, I, I'M NOT PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT'S MY 2 CENTS ON IT.

COMMISSIONER, CAN I JUST ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION, UH, WERE YOU REFERRING TO BOTH CITY RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE OR JUST THE CITY RESIDENTIAL FOR SINGLE FAMILY? YEAH.

UM, WITH REGARD TO WHAT, UH, UH, BEING, UH, MOVED TO PRIMARY USE WITHIN BO BECAUSE CURRENTLY THEY'RE JUST AS A SUPPORTING USE IN BOTH CITY RESIDENTIAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.

AND I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED CITY RESIDENTIAL, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU MEANT TO ALSO MOVE IT TO PRIMARY AND NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE? NO, JUST CITY RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK THERE'S SOME MAPPING ERRORS ON BOTH OF THOSE.

GOTCHA.

MR. CARPENTER, UH, WITHOUT GIVING ANY CONSIDERATION TO THE, TO THE MAP ITSELF, JUST GOING BY THE PLACE TYPE, I THINK, UM, KEEPING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS SUPPORTING IN BOTH OF THOSE PLACE TYPES IS APPROPRIATE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IF WE HAVE A, A STRONG NEED FOR HOUSING, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WEAKEN OR DILUTE THE DENSITY IN THE PLACES WHERE WE HAVE DESIGNATED TO PUT IT.

SO I MEAN, I THINK, UM, ALLOWING IT TO BE SUPPORTING ALLOWS WHATEVER THE ONE-OFFS TO BE THERE, BUT I WOULD NOT ADVOCATE THEM BEING PRIMARY.

IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE, UM, ABSOLUTELY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE PLACE TYPE INTENDED.

MOVING TOWARDS CONSENSUS COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER, ANY COMMENT? ONE THING? YES, SIR.

UM, I CERTAINLY HAVE, HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS UNDER THE PERSPECTIVE THAT LEGISLATIVE CHANGE WILL NOT BE HAPPENING AND IF THE LEGISLATURE DOES SOMETHING IN THE 2025 SESSION THAT VASTLY CHANGES THE, THE FIFTH OF PLAY, I WOULD BE VERY OPEN TO REVISITING THIS.

YOU KNOW, IF FOR SOME REASON THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, CAPPED MINIMUM LOT SIZE AT A VERY LOW LEVEL, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE GONNA DO IT DIDN'T PASS LAST YEAR, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK BECAUSE THAT PRODUCT NOW SORT OF, YOU KNOW, BECOMES LEGAL, BUT I'M SORT OF THINKING THE LEGAL BACKGROUND STATUS

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QUO STAYS THE SAME.

SO WITH THAT, I, I, YOU KNOW, WOULD STICK TO SECONDARY.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT COMMENTS.

SO WAIT, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT ON THE MICROPHONE WHAT YOU JUST SAID? I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND CAN I SPEAK, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THEN COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, UM, I, I ON THE FENCE, UM, BUT REGARDING, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AND COMMUNITY MIXED USE ON THE MAP AS STATED, WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF THEM INSIDE OF THE PLAN, LOCAL EXAMPLES.

UM, HAMPTON ROAD IS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES KEY I THINK IS ONE OF, OR WYNWOOD I THINK IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.

AND WHEN I GO IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE ALL SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

UM, BUT TO SAY THAT I ALSO SAY THEY ARE ALSO APARTMENT COMPLEXES ALONG THOSE SAME CORRIDORS, UM, ON WINDWOOD ALONG BUCKNER, UM, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, I'M ON OFFENSE, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, KIND OF AFFIRM WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT JUST SAID THAT, UH, THERE ARE PLENTY OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE IN THESE TWO CATEGORIES THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THOSE FOLKS, UH, FEEL THAT THEY'RE BEING WRITTEN OFF.

AND I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE LOGIC THAT WE USE TO JUSTIFY MULTIPLEX AS A PRIMARY USE IN C COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, THAT WE DON'T WANNA APPLY THAT SAME LOGIC TO, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY IN, IN, IN THESE TWO, UH, DISTRICTS.

UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FOLKS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING SHUT OUT AND JUST FORGOTTEN AND IGNORED IN THIS PLAN.

AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT.

UH, YES, MR. CHAIR RUBEN? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, BRING UP THE EXAMPLE OF WYNWOOD SINCE COMMISSIONER, UM, HERBERT BROUGHT IT UP.

AND THE WAY THAT I SEE IT IS WYN, THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THE WYNWOOD SHOPPING CENTER ARE EXCLUSIVELY COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THE WYNWOOD SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE, AND THEN THERE'S MULTI-FAMILY ALONG ZANG THAT'S THE CITY RESIDE.

THAT'S WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE CITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE I THINK IF, IF YOU KNOW THAT PART ALONG ZANG, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WE SAY THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS, IS A PRIMARY USE THERE, THAT'S A STEP BACKWARDS.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE I SEE THE, THE CITY AND I, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT STUDIED THIS COMPREHENSIVELY, BUT IT'S A EXAMPLE THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PLAN RIGHT NOW STRIKES THE APPROPRIATE BALANCE.

AND TO THAT POINT, UM, IN MY REVIEW OF THE MAP, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HAS BEEN USED FOR LARGE SWATS OF AREA.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, RIGHT? IF WE CONTINUE TO USE IT IN STRIP FORM, UH, ALONG CORRIDORS AND I, I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE A PRIMARY USE, ESPECIALLY ALONG STREETS LIKE ZANG AND BUCKNER AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

HEY, UPSTAIRS USED TO BE SOME APARTMENTS, CAN WE GET THAT BACK? SO LOOKING AT THAT AND HAVING, LOOKING AT THAT, I THINK THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE THE PRIMARY USE IF IT'S IN A CORRIDOR THAT CAN, CAN CREATE SOME DENSITY AND SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

WE THERE AND THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE COULD, WE ARE LOOK WHERE WE LOOK AT AND SAY, THIS COULD BE MIXED USE AND ADD MULTIFAMILY.

AS I TOLD YOU, I SPOKE WITH PY WHO HAD NO IDEA THAT SAID, HEY, NO, WE WANT NO APARTMENTS.

BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, HEY, CARBONDALE IS WHERE YOU WANT TO, YOU SAID THAT YOU WANT THAT TO BE A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, RIGHT? BUT YOU WOULD SIT ALONE.

HOW DO WE MAKE THAT MIXED USE? UM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY IF WE LOOK AT, AND LET'S GO LOOK AT THESE, THIS CARBONDALE GETTING THOSE, GETTING SOME, SOME, SOME COMMERCIAL USES, BUT SOME APARTMENTS JUST A LITTLE BIT NOT WE, NOT HIGH DENSITY, BUT ON JUST ENOUGH ALONG CARBONDALE ONLY, NO, NOT ENCROACHING INTO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ON CARBONDALE, RIGHT? AND SO THAT CREATES THAT WHERE WERE, I BELIEVE THAT ON MAJOR WHERE YOUR, WHERE A COMMUNITY SAYS, WELL THIS IS GONNA BE OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, RIGHT? CAN WE GET SOME MIXED USE FAMILY? AND THAT WAY ON THE OUTSKIRTS AROUND ELSIE FA UH, OUTLETS AND INE, UM, EVEN MALCOLM X, WE HAVE A PARTICULAR PIECE ON MALCOLM X THAT'S ONE THAT'S BESIDES MY HOUSE AND MY, AND THE HOUSE I OWN NEXT TO IT AND ONE OTHER HOUSE IN BETWEEN PINE AND LC FAY, IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL.

BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE SAYING,

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UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD POINT THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BY A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

AND SO IF SOMETHING ON HAMPTON ROAD, IF A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS GOES AWAY THERE, SHOULD WE BUILD A A A STREET OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSES? IF VICKERY MEADOWS, IF A LOW RISE APARTMENT BUILDING GOES AWAY THERE, SHOULD WE BUILD A BUNCH OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSES? NOT SAYING THAT IT COULDN'T BE, BUT WHAT SHOULD BE THE MAIN THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THERE? UM, AND THE, THE VERSION THAT CLUB PASSED SAID THE MAIN THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING THERE ARE MULTIFAMILY MULTIPLEXES AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS AND, AND THOSE CORRIDORS, THAT IS, THOSE WERE A WORLD WE CAN LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY AND THOSE WHO HAVE A FULL OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING SOME KIND OF WAY, UM, UM, EXTINCT.

THESE ARE THOSE CORRIDORS WHERE WE LOOK AT AND SAY, IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO HAVE DENSITY, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT'S PROJECTED FOR WHO IS COMING, UM, AND, AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN THE NEXT 5, 10, 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, THOSE CORRIDORS WILL BE FIRST, SHOULD BE FIRST LOOKED AT AS IS THERE A WAY AND WHAT DOES MULTI-FAMILY LOOK AND HOW, WHAT DESIGN STANDARDS AND HOW WILL THAT APPROACH INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY? BUT THOSE ARE WHERE YOU GET THOSE RENTERS WHERE YOU CAN GET THAT MIXED INCOME, THAT AFFORDABILITY IN THOSE CORRIDORS.

AND IT SHOULD NOT BE SINGLE FAMILY ONLY BEING BUILT FOR ONE.

I DON'T WANT MY CHILD RUNNING, HE'S ON MALCOLM MIX AND I GOT A FENCE, SO I DON'T WANT MY CHILD ON IN A SINGLE, ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH NOT THAT PROTECTION.

AND KIDS, YOU GO TO SLEEP AND THEY'LL LEAVE AT THE DOOR.

SO WHEN YOU GO TO THINK IN PRACTICAL, NO, I DON'T WANT SINGLE FAMILY, I WANT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A LITTLE BIT MORE PROTECTION.

OKAY, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO A CONSENSUS.

COMMISSIONER RUBEN FILED THE COMMISSIONER CASE DOWN.

I'LL JUST ADD ONE OTHER THOUGHT.

I HEAR COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT'S COMMENTS THAT, THAT SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAY BE ZONED OR NOT ZONED, THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE RIGHT WORD, THAT MAY BE DESIGNATED CITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY NOT BEING A PRIMARY USE.

I THINK THE REAL QUESTION THERE, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER KINGSTON GOT TO THE HEART OF IT IN HER COMMENT IS MAYBE CITY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TYPE FOR THAT AREA.

AND IF THERE ARE AREAS WHERE IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S TENSION WITH CITY RESIDENTIAL, LET'S GET THE MAP RIGHT AND LET'S HAVE CITY RESIDENTIAL BE A REALLY MEANINGFUL, UM, PLACE, TYPE IN THE DOCUMENT AND LET'S NOT DILUTE IT TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOUNDS TO BE LIKE A FEW PROBLEMS WITH WHAT THINGS ARE DESIGNATED ON THE MAP.

COMMISSIONER KINGTON, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IF THIS CHANGE WAS BROUGHT ABOUT BECAUSE I SUGGESTED I WAS GONNA WITHDRAW IT.

OKAY, WE HAVE CONSENSUS.

NEXT ITEM, GENTLEMEN.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, AGAIN, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT CITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, UH, SYNONYMOUSLY.

THAT WAS THE, THE SECOND SLIDE, IT WAS THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PIECE ALSO, UH, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY, UM, AS PRIMARY.

BUT I THINK BASED ON WHAT I HEARD, THAT'S UM, MAYBE CLARIFY THAT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY BEING ADDED AS, UH, A PRIMARY USE SHOULD STAY WITH THE CLUB RECOMMENDATION AS SUPPORTING.

OKAY, PERFECT.

WE HEARD FROM YOU ALL, WE'RE ALSO HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, IN REGARDS TO ADUS, THE TWO BIG ISSUES THAT COME UP OR KEEP COMING UP ARE ONE TREE CANOPY COVERAGE.

SO YES, I, SO I HEARD THAT COMMISSIONER'S SECONDARY.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

YES, IT'S SECONDARY.

I, I'LL GET THERE.

OH, YOU GOT IT.

I'VE BEEN, YEAH, BEEN HOBBY, WE CHANGE REALLY QUICK.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR THAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS, UH, THE A BU LANGUAGE AND HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX.

UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ITEM AND HOW WE ADDRESS OR REWORD IT.

SO I'M GONNA JUMP TO THAT PARTICULAR SLIDE.

UM, SO CURRENTLY WHAT HOWARD READS IS, UM, EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD COM UH, COMPATIBILITY, UH, BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOT FROM THIS BODY, UM, UH, THE PROJECT TEAM DEVELOPED A, A POSSIBLE UPDATE TO THAT AND WOULD, IT WOULD READ AFTER ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN, INITIATE A PUBLIC PROCESS TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS OF HOW ADUS COULD BE BUILT IN ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND ESTABLISH UPDATED A DU REGULATIONS THAT ADDRESS SCALE FORM DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.

UM, AS

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UH, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, DISCUSS OR ADD ADUS TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WHAT DOES THAT DO ADVERSELY TO THE TREE CANOPY COVERAGE AND THEN ALSO SCALE, THERE'S NO, UH, CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT.

SO, UM, THIS PARTICULAR SUGGESTION, UH, AIMS TO ADDRESS AND SAY THE, THE CONVERSATION STILL NEEDS TO OCCUR.

UH, BUT WILLING, WELL, WE'RE HERE TO OPEN THE DIALOGUE TO SEE IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, TWEAKED, MODIFIED TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THIS BODY AND THE COMMUNITY COMMISSIONER RUBIN? WELL, I, I, I THINK THAT TOO DOES NOT SORT OF REFLECT WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON THE, ON THE GROUND TODAY IS THAT AT ZAC, THERE'S AN ACTIVE CODE AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW EXPLORING HOW TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTIONS OF FURTHER ADUS.

SO I, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THE SHIFT TO THE TWO JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A CODE AMENDMENT GOING ON WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS FULL OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THE PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, CAN ULTIMATELY WEIGH IN ON WHETHER ADUS BY RIGHT, ARE THE APPROPRIATE OR NOT APPROPRIATE OPTION.

SO I, I WOULD EITHER KEEP THE STATUS QUO OR MAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UPDATE THE, THE STATUS QUO TO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING SCALE FORM DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE TWO REFLECTS WHAT, WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.

COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS REGARDING THE LANGUAGE UPDATE TO ADUS? YES, COMMISSIONER HARA, I'M PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY WE WOULD OPT TO FOR THE ALTERNATE.

THAT'S HOW WE DO IT.

UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I THINK THE CHANGE IS IMPORTANT.

UM, I THINK THE CITIES WHO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT IT TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS, UM, AND PROVIDED EVEN STANDARDS FOR THEIR RESIDENTS, UM, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL PLANS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

UM, AND I THINK, UH, OPTION NUMBER TWO SPEAKS MORE TO THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

UM, I THINK ONE OF MY ONLY, UH, ASKS IS THAT IN AREAS WHERE LIVE WORK, UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A LIVE WORK CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

UM, BUT IT STATES THAT SAYS ONLY ONE DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, I HAVE ROOM ON MY PROPERTY IF I WANTED TO ADD A A DU TO DO SO, BUT IT WOULD KNOCK OUT MY LIVE WORK, UM, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

AND EVEN NOW THE STANDARDS FOR LIVE WORK HAS CHANGED THAT SAYS THAT THE COMMERCIAL MUST BE MORE THAN THE RESIDENTIAL OR OF EQUAL, UM, AMOUNT.

UM, I'M UP UNDER PROBABLY A OLDER DEFINITION THAT ALLOWED FOR ME ONLY TO USE A SMALL SMALL PERCENTAGE.

SO HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT, HOW WOULD THE A DU, UM, HOW WOULD THAT, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED WORK CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? SO AGAIN, THE, THE A DU WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY TO A, A SINGLE FAMILY MAIN USE.

THE LIVE WORK, UM, THOSE ARE ACCESSORY, UM, LAND USES TO A COMMERCIAL.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE AN OFFICE OR STORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND SO CHANGING WHAT WE WOULD DO FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT WHAT, UH, THE, THE REGULATIONS FOR THE LIVE WORK SPACES ARE.

I WOULD SAY FORD DALLAS SPEAKS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO YOUR OVERALL POINT OF TALKING ABOUT HOW WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT CAN JUST BE COMMERCIAL AND CAN'T BE RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A LIVE WORK UNIT THERE WHILE FORD DALLAS TALKS ABOUT HOW, AND WE JUST WENT OVER SOME OF THOSE DETAILS ABOUT HOW THOSE AREAS SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A RESIDENTIAL LAND USE AS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE THE MAIN LAND USE AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING COMMERCIAL IS WHAT, UH, I KIND OF WANT IT TO AFFECT IT.

SO I'M ASKING IS THAT, UH, I MEAN YOU'VE BEEN ON MALCOLM X WHERE WE COULD HAVE A COMBINATION AND WOULD STILL BE OKAY, RIGHT? AND SO A DU WOULD MAKE A, MAKE SOME SENSE.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOME, SOME OF A MIXER.

HOW, HOW COULD THAT AFFECT IT AND, AND ALLOW FOR IT AS A, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT SAYS ONE DWELLING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS UNFAIR, BUT IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ONE DWELLING UNIT.

AND SO THAT WOULD ALMOST, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN ACCESSORY, IT COULD BE INTERPRETED OVER, UH, AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AS TWO DWELLING UNITS.

WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE, LIKE THE, THE, THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE A ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW, UM, MULTIFAMILY AS PART OF THAT MIXED USE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE A DU LANGUAGE WOULD TALK TO.

THAT

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'CAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL SPACE AND NOT A RESIDENTIAL SPACE.

WE'LL TALK LATER ABOUT THAT.

COMMISSIONER HALL.

YEAH, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M HAPPY WITH THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

UM, THIS ISN'T WHAT I'M GOING TO DIE ON THE SWORD FOR, BUT I ACTUALLY PREFER THE SECOND LANGUAGE.

I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IT'S, IT'S A PUBLIC PROCESS.

THE PUBLIC'S GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE, UM, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS IN FORMULATING THIS COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I ALSO AGREE WITH THE SECOND LANGUAGE.

UM, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE, AND THERE HAS BEEN, AND THERE WILL CONTINUOUSLY BE ADUS ALL OVER THE CITY, UM, UNTIL THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE WHERE IT IS ON THE PROPERTY OPPOSED TO WHERE IT CANNOT BE IS BETTER DEFINED.

UM, THEN IT, IT SHOULD BE A, A PUBLIC PROCESS TO, TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS OF HOW THOSE THOSE ADUS ARE, ARE BUILT IN RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.

COMMISSIONER.

NOT, UH, I, I AGREE WITH SOME OF, WELL WHAT, WHAT MOST PEOPLE SAID HERE THAT DESIGN STANDARDS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT OR ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT DENSITY.

UM, THAT'S MENTIONED IN NUMBER ONE AND I'M COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH THAT, UH, REMAINING.

UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 SO FAR.

WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO LE TO LEAVE IT AS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT.

UH, I'M GOING TO BE THE ODD MAN OUT AGAIN.

UH, WE ALREADY HAVE AN EQUITABLE PROCESS IN PLACE, UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WANT TO BUILD AN A DU.

THEY CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THIS, UH, PROCESS, UH, REQUIRES NEIGHBORHOODS BE NOTIFIED AND IT REQUIRES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY SIGN ON TO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE BOARD, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD SIGN ONTO THIS.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS DISCUSSION.

UH, ALLOWING ADUS BY RIDE EVERYWHERE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IS GONNA RESULT IN A, UH, UH, OVER, OVER, UH, OVER SATURATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS GONNA RESULT IN GREATER PARKING PROBLEMS, UH, WITH PEOPLE PARKING MORE ON THE STREET, WHICH IS ALREADY A PROBLEM.

AND SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM HERE THAT DOESN'T EXIST, UH, WITH THE, WITH THIS, WITH EITHER LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS, THIS ITEM NEEDS TO BE DELETED FROM THE HOUSING CHOICES AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

AND, AND I'M VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE'RE NOT MAKING THE COMPROMISES THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO MAKE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THIS PLAN.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

THE CONSENSUS I HEARD IS TO LEAVE AS IS.

THAT'S, YEAH.

UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO WITH IT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A BOXED ITEM COMMISSIONER, SO AT, AT SOME POINT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A STAND ON IT.

NEXT ITEM, GENTLEMEN.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GO TO THE DEFINITION OF LOW, MID, AND HIGH RISE.

UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT TOUCHES ON A LOT OF THE SCALE AND DESIGN COMPONENTS, UH, AS WELL.

SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, GET BACK TO THE TOD PIECE, UM, AFTER THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

SO I THINK THAT WAS SLIDE 40 ON YOUR SLIDES.

AND THE, THE SUGGESTION OR THE, UH, POTENTIAL UPDATE ON THIS IS TO PROVIDE A DEFINITION OF WHAT LOW, MID, AND HIGH MEAN IN TERMS OF LOWRISE BUILDINGS.

OH, HIGHRISE BUILDINGS AND MID-RISE BUILDINGS.

SO LOWRISE BEING ONE TO FOUR, UH, MID-RISE BEING UNDER 10, AND THEN HIGHRISE, UH, BEING EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN 10 STORIES.

UH, WE ALSO PUT ON THE SLIDE JUST FOR REFERENCE, UH, THE FORM-BASED CODE, UH, WHICH A FEW COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED.

YOU KNOW, JUST TO HAVE THAT AS CONTEXT, UM, JUST TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE, UH, THE INTENSITY OF HEIGHT WITH THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, ZONING CATEGORIES VERSUS WHAT WE'RE DEFINING, UM, IN THE PLAN DOCUMENT.

NICE.

EVERYONE, I'LL JUST SAY I WOULD PROPOSE HEIGHT AS OPPOSED TO STORIES.

UM, I THINK THAT'S A LOT EASIER FOR, YOU KNOW, OR TO, TO CONCEIVE OF OR EVEN DEFINE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY

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THINK IN TERMS OF STORIES JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, X STORIES OF, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET OR WHATEVER THE, THE STANDARD STORY HEIGHT IS TOTALING, YOU KNOW, X FEET OR SOME SOAP, OR, YOU KNOW, SO MANY STORIES.

I'M NOT BEING VERY COHERENT HERE, BUT FIND A WAY TO SORT OF SPEAK.

I, I GUESS I'M COMING TO THE POINT OF FIND A WAY TO SPEAK IN BOTH LANGUAGES.

SO EVERYONE, SOME PEOPLE WHO SPEAK STORIES, SOME PEOPLE WHO SPEAK HEIGHTS CAN THINK THE THE SAME WAY.

CAN I, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE, FOLLOW COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, WITH ALL RESPECT FOR COMMISSIONER RUBIN, UH, I THINK STORIES IS A LOT EASIER FOR ME TO TRACK.

I MEAN, I, I'M A, I'M AN ARCHITECT AND I HAVE A, I STRUGGLE WITH THE HEIGHT AND FEET.

IT'S A LOT EASIER JUST TO COUNT THE LINES ON THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, SO I, I MIGHT ASK, UH, STAFF TO REFRESH ME ON WHY WE'RE DEFINING THIS JUST YES.

SO, UM, AS WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRUCTURES AND, AND THESE PLACE TYPES, UH, THERE'S JUST CONCERN IN TERMS OF WHAT IS ALLOWED AND TO PROVIDE A BIT MORE, UH, ASSURANCES, UM, THE ASK US TO PROVIDE THAT LANGUAGE IN THESE PLACE TYPES IN THE DOCUMENT IS A GLOSSARY.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE THAT SAYS, GENERALLY THESE STRUCTURES ARE LOW RISE BUILDINGS, OR YOU IDENTIFY THIS A STORY, OR IF WE WERE SAYING WITH HEIGHT, UM, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT SCALE LOOKS LIKE IN COMPARISON TO THE REST OF THEIR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OR PLACE TYPE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, MAYBE NOT UNDERSTANDING DISTANCES AND HEIGHTS, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.

SO IF YOU WERE TO KIND OF GUESS WHAT'S FROM CHAIR TO ME, WHAT, HOW FAR THAT IS, MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, UH, MAYBE A FEW STEPS TO GET TO HIM.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE, THE STORIES, UH, PIECE WAS WHAT WERE, WERE USED AND ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT OTHER LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE AND IN OUR, UH, OTHER CITY DOCUMENTS.

AND THEY USED, UM, STORIES AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THAT.

YEAH, AND, AND TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. AGU.

SO AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO TO LOWER GREENVILLE AVENUE AND YOU GO TO THE GALLERIA, THE LAND USES THAT ARE HAPPENING, THERE AREN'T THAT DIFFERENT, BUT THE SCALE OF THAT IS DIFFERENT.

AND SO WHEN WE SAY NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE FOR LOWER GREENVILLE, THAT'S A LOW RISE STRUCTURES.

THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING HIGH RISE STRUCTURES.

WHEN WE GO TO THE, AND AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE RETAIL, IT'S GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S GONNA BE DINING AND SHOPPING.

WHEN YOU GO TO THE GALLERIA, THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE EXPECT HIGH RISE STRUCTURES.

AND SO IT'S THAT GUIDE TO SAY IT'S NOT JUST THE LAND USES IN THE PLACE TYPES, BUT IT'S ALSO THE SCALE AND SCOPE OF SOME OF THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE DEFINITION FOR LOW RISE, MID-RISE AND HIGH RISE, UH, OR THE IMPETUS FOR HAVING THOSE DEFINED IS TO TALK ABOUT THE SCALE OF SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT LAND USES AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UM, THAT THE LAND USES WOULD OCCUPY.

PLEASE, CAN I JUST ADD A VERY MINIMAL THING, AGAIN, SINCE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING BACK TO THE PLAN VERSUS ZONING, I WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS JUST A GENERAL GUIDE AS WELL.

SO IT WOULD SAY UP TO FOUR STORIES.

THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT.

IF A BUILDING CAME IN, IN SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE AND EVERYBODY LOVED IT AND IT WAS FIVE STORIES, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE BOUND TO THE FOUR STORIES HERE.

IT'S JUST PROVIDING THAT GENERAL GUIDANCE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LEVEL OF COMFORT, BUT IT IS NOT A MUST OR SHALL.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, FORMER COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

UH, COMMISSIONER SCH, UH, I'LL JUST SAY I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

I'M A VISUAL PERSON MYSELF.

I WANNA COUNT STORIES.

COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK, UH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF STORIES, AND I ACTUALLY LIKE THIS FOLLOWING, UM, THE, UH, FORM CODE.

I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY EXISTING ZONING THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

UM, SO I LIKE THE CONSISTENCY OF IT MATCHING THAT.

UM, I ACTUALLY WANNA AGREE, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE STORIES, 1, 2, 3 IS EASY TO COUNT, BUT I ALSO AGREE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WITH COMM WITH VICE CHAIR RUBEN TWICE, UHHUH , THIS IS BEING RECORDED THAT I LIKE HAVING BOTH BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENTS AND DEVELOPERS AND REPORTS THAT TALK ABOUT HOW HIGH A BUILDING IS.

AND FOR ME, THAT'S LIKE, UH, THE HOW MANY FEET, I MEAN HOW MANY STORIES? AND IF YOU HAVE THEM BOTH, I KNOW THAT, UM, I'M LOOKING AT, WAIT, SEE WHAT 26 FEET IS TWO STORIES.

TH IT'S 30 FEET, IT'S THREE, SO

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35, IT'S THREE.

SO I, I, I, SO I, SO MY QUESTION THEN BECOMES, OKAY, IF IT'S 26 AND IT'S TWO STORIES, HOW COME YOU ONLY GET, UM, SEVEN FEET FOR THE THIRD STORY, BUT , UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A SMALL ROOM, RIGHT? UM, BUT, BUT THEN I ALSO UNDERSTAND AS I LEARN THE PROCESS, YOU GOTTA TALK ABOUT PITCH AND TYPES OF ROOFS AND ALL THAT OTHER KIND OF STUFF.

I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.

I'M NOT A DEVELOPER.

I DON'T CARE.

JUST TELL ME HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF I NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY FEET, TELL ME HOW MANY FEET IT IS AND HOW, AND, AND, AND MATCH IT UP WITH HOW MANY STORIES.

AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, MY INTRODUCTION TO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDINGS AND HEIGHT OR WAREHOUSES, UM, SOMEBODY SAID THEY WANT A 75 FOOT 'CAUSE THEY NEED LARGE PICKERS.

I WAS LIKE, WHAT WAS 75 FEET? IT'S EIGHT STORAGE.

MR. HERBERT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EIGHT STORAGE, RIGHT? BUT IT WAS LARGE.

I WAS LIKE, OH.

OH, OKAY.

NOW I UNDERSTAND.

RIGHT? SO I AGREE WITH THE TWO.

HAVING THE TWO, UM, HELPS REALLY ELEVATE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.

UM, 75 FEET WAS PRETTY LARGE, BUT YEAH.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YES.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH, I, I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US TO PICK ONE OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'LL BE IN CONFLICT.

'CAUSE THE, THE HEIGHT OF A FLOOR OR THE FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHT'S GONNA VARY BY BUILDING TYPE AND SOMETIMES DRAMATICALLY.

AND SO A FOUR STORY BUILDING'S, NOT NECESSARILY A FOUR, YOU CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT HEIGHT, BUT I, I JUST THINK THE, THE PUBLIC IS GONNA RESPOND TO STORIES MORE THAN FEET.

I, I PREFER STORIES ALSO, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT IS MAXED OUT IN, IN ZONING.

AND THIS IS, AND GOING BACK TO WHY WE ASKED FOR MORE CONTEXT IS, YOU KNOW, DURING, UH, IN THE DESCRIPTIONS OF SOME OF THESE PLACE TYPES, IT WOULD SAY LOW RISE OR MID-RISE.

AND WHAT DOES LOW RISE MEAN? SOME PEOPLE HEAR LOW RISE AND THEY THINK THAT'S A ONE STORY BUILDING.

SO I THINK THIS IS VERY USEFUL INFORMATION THAT IT GIVES PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AN ENHANCED GENERAL IDEA.

BUT IT, IT'S NOT AS SPECIFIC AS ZONING.

I THINK STORIES IS GONNA RESONATE MORE WITH, WITH THE, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR ALL BY COMMISSIONER TURNER.

JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR COMPROMISE, I WILL GO WITH THE TWO, BUT STORIES IS MY, MY CONSENSUS YET.

SURE ENOUGH.

UH, I THINK THE BEING CONGRUENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE EXISTING ZONING ALREADY IS, IS IMPORTANT.

IT MAKES IT NOT ARBITRARY, BUT A RATION DECISION.

THE OTHER THING THAT'S ALSO RELEVANT TOO IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PD MAPS, UH, WHEN YOU ARE USING STORIES, THOSE, THOSE PD DISTRICTS, WMU THREE, WMU FIVE, UH, 12, IT IS, UH, QUICK SHORTHAND FOR YOU TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DO THAT BY HAVING THOSE LABELS.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

SO WHAT, SO WHAT IF WE GO WITH STORIES AND THEN THE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, IS PER AREA FOR HEIGHT? SO ISN'T THE, THE HEIGHT IS KIND OF LIKE IN THE DESIGN STANDARD.

YOU CAN'T, 'CAUSE WE KNOW THE STORIES CAN BE, I'M GONNA TRUST THE ARCHITECT.

I'M A DRAFTER, SO I'M GONNA GO WITH THE ARCHITECT OF HERE AND SAY, LET'S, LET'S DO, UH, LET STORIES.

BUT IN, IN CERTAIN AREAS, YOU ALREADY HAVE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS HERE AND THERE.

UM, BUT STORIES CONTEND TO WHAT THOSE ARE LOWER 'CAUSE I MEAN, SO WHEN WE GET TO THE, WHEN WE GET TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WE WILL FIRST START WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT DISTRICT WE'RE IN.

SO WE'RE LIKE, OH, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ONE TO FOUR STORIES.

THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS, DEPENDING ON THE AREA OR THE BUILDING TYPE, THAT'S WHEN WE SET THE HEIGHT LIMIT.

SO IT WILL GET SET AT SOME POINT.

BUT FROM THE LAND USE, IF WE STAY STORIES, IT JUST PROVIDES THE BUMPERS.

BUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL GET INTO THE WEEDS WITH THE ACTUAL HEIGHT.

WELL, WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO NOT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND.

SO THE STORIES SEEM LIKE, CORRECT.

NO, IT WILL HAVE TO, IF WE DO DESIGN STANDARD OR WHEN WE DO THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WE WILL ESTABLISH A HEIGHT.

DEVELOPMENT IN RELATION TO HOUSING AND MEETING OUR HOUSING NEEDS AT THOSE LOCATIONS.

I HAVE TO ADD, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS HELPFUL TO THE CONVERSATION.

SO I THINK THE, THE STORIES I, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, MIGHT BE THE, THE CONSENSUS, UH, WE COULD ALSO THINK ABOUT MAYBE ADDING A, A NOTE IN TERMS OF TALKING ABOUT THE TYPICAL HEIGHT OF A STORY.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY FROM 10 TO 15, WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY.

UM, SO THAT WAY YOU CAN START TO USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, IF IT'S 20 STORIES, THAT'S GENERALLY THIS HEIGHT.

UM, SO JUST A THOUGHT, AMY, COMMISSIONER TURNER, PLEASE.

YEAH, JUST TO, UH, POINT CLARIFICATION, THOSE NUMBERS DON'T GO AWAY.

YOU HAVE MAXIMUM AND MINIMUM, UM, MEASUREMENTS FOR STORIES.

AND OFTEN, LIKE ON A GROUND STORY, YOU'LL PUT A MAX THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TO PROMOTE MIXED USE.

UM, SO THE NUMBERS ARE

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STILL DEFINITELY THERE.

THANK YOU ALL.

I THINK WE DO HAVE CONSENSUS.

GO WITH STORIES, MAKE THE CHANGE NEXT ITEM.

ALRIGHT, PERFECT.

UH, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE APPLICATION OF TOD IN THE PLAN.

UH, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY NUMBER, NUMBER FIVE.

UH, THIS ONE IS JUST TO KIND OF GET MORE FEEDBACK ON THE APPLICATION AND THE GRAPHICS THAT ARE GONNA BE USED OR, UH, DESIRE TO BE USED IN THIS.

SO JUST TO, TO STEP BACK AND TALK THROUGH WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT TODS.

UH, SO AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE HOUSING SHOULD BE, WHERE DENSITY SHOULD BE, UM, A LOT OF CON COMMUNITY CONCERNS IN TERMS OF, UH, TOD AND HOW ARE WE USING THIS PLAN TO HELP IDENTIFY, UH, THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT IN EACH OF THE PLACE TYPES OR THE PLACE TYPE CATEGORIES.

UH, SO IN TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THIS BODY WAS TO CREATE TYPE APOLOGIES TYPES OF TOD CENTERS BASED ON THE PLACE SITE THAT WE HAVE.

SO THERE ARE FOUR, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, WHICH IS FOCUSED USUALLY ON THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, RESIDENTIAL, UH, CITY RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THEY'RE MIXED USE CENTERS.

UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, COMMUNITY MIXED USE, REGIONAL MIXED USE.

UH, THE CITY CENTER HAS ITS OWN, UH, UH, OWN TYPOLOGY.

AND YOU HAVE SPECIAL PURPOSE CENTERS, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, TOD OR STATION BY THE HOSPITAL OR OTHER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRIAL SITES.

SO IDENTIFYING THOSE TYPOLOGIES AND THEN HAVING KIND OF DESCRIPTORS OF HOW EACH OF THOSE PLAY OUT.

UH, WANTED TO TO SHOW AND TALK THROUGH HOW WE'RE TRYING TO ELABORATE ON EACH OF THOSE TYPES.

SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS BODY, UH, ONE, JUST ASK OR ASKING IS AS WE DEFINE EACH OF THESE, UH, CENTERS OR TYPOLOGIES, UH, ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE WOULD BE GRAPHICALLY SHOWING THIS IN THE DOCUMENT.

SO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY USING IS, UM, AN EXISTING, UM, GRAPHIC STANDARDS BY, UM, YOU KNOW, A A, A ORGANIZATION CALLED NATO.

AND THEY'RE, THEY TALK ABOUT TODS AND HOW THESE TYPOLOGIES WORK IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

SO THE IDEA IS WE CAN USE A SIMILAR GRAPHIC WHERE IT'S VERY CARTOONY, BUT YOU CAN START TO LABEL AND TALK ABOUT HOW EACH ITEM IN THOSE, UH, TYPOLOGIES WOULD, UH, MAKE SENSE AND INCORPORATE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO I'M GONNA TOUCH ON TWO THINGS FOR EACH OF THESE, UM, TYPOLOGIES AND GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.

UH, SO ONE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, UH, IT'S GONNA BE FOCUSED ON LOCAL ACTIVITY, UH, TYPICALLY IN MORE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, LOW RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMUNITIES.

UM, AND IT'S USUALLY NEAR TRANSIT CENTER.

UH, THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE, THE IMAGE, UH, WILL BE FOCUSED IN TERMS OF WHERE, UH, FACILITIES RELATED TO TOD WOULD BE LOCATED IN TERMS OF WHERE BIKE RACKS WOULD BE LOCATED IN TERMS OF WHERE BUS STOPS IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE WOULD INTERACT WITH THAT CENTER.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO GET TWO PIECES OF, OF FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL.

IS ONE.

DOES, UH, DOES A TPO DOES THE TYPOLOGY GRAPHIC MAKE SENSE TO KIND OF SHOW, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SHOW? AND ALSO THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF THIS PARTICULAR TYPOLOGY.

UH, MAKE SENSE? AND WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE FOUR AND CAN CAN GO FROM THERE.

COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? ANY COMMENTS EITHER WAY? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC WAS LOOKING FOR.

I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GONNA GET IT.

I'M NOT SURE I GET IT.

UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

MY, MY, THE COMMENTS I KEEP HEARING IN THE MEETINGS IS THAT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH DETAIL AROUND PUTTING, DEVELOPING THE TRANSPORTATION HUBS WE ALREADY HAVE.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE SAY WE NEED MORE HOUSING AND WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES AT PLACES LIKE EXISTING DART STATIONS OR EXISTING, UM, TRANSPORTATION HUBS.

AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ALL THAT MUCH DETAIL IN THE PLAN ON HOW WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS ADDRESSES THAT EVEN A LITTLE BIT.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE UNCLEAR ABOUT HOW INTERSECTIONS WORK, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PICTURE SEEMS TO BE EXPLAINING.

I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IS MORE ATTENTION TO TRANSIT ORIENTED

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SO, UM, IN THE PLAN CURRENTLY WE, WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AROUND RAIL STATIONS.

WE TALK ABOUT HOW, UM, WE NEED TO REMOVE RESTRICTIVE AND ANTIQUATED ZONING AROUND OUR TRAIN STATIONS THAT PREVENT THEM FROM BECOMING TRULY TOD.

UM, I THINK WHAT WE HEARD WAS THAT THAT'S NICE, BUT WE WANT MORE DETAIL ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT AND HOW THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND SO ON, ON THE GRAPH HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT, OKAY, SO NOT ALL TRAIN STATIONS WOULD DEVELOP, NOT ALL TODS AROUND TRAIN STATIONS WOULD DEVELOP SIMILARLY.

SO THIS TAKES A FIRST STEP IN DEVELOPING SOME TYPOLOGIES TO SAY, OKAY, THERE'S SOME TRAIN STATIONS IN THESE PLACE TYPES THAT WOULD DEVELOP MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, TOD, OTHERS THAT WOULD DEVELOP MORE AS A MIXED USE CENTER, OTHERS AS A CITY CENTER.

UM, IT LAYS OUT THAT TYPOLOGY.

UM, BUT TO GET TO THE DETAIL EXACT, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, ALREADY STATION AREA PLANS THAT TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HOW HATCHER STREET STATION OR MLK STATION OR SOME OF THESE OTHER STATIONS SHOULD BE DEVELOPING AS TOD SITES.

AND SO WHEN WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THAT TYPOLOGY OR WE DON'T HAVE THAT AREA PLAN, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN CREATING THOSE TYPOLOGIES TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS HOW IN THESE PLACE TYPES WHERE YOU HAVE A, A TRAIN STATION, HOW THOSE TRAIN STATIONS IN THE TOD AREAS COULD START TO DEVELOP.

DOES THAT HELP? I THINK ONE OF THE CRITICISMS OF THIS PLAN FROM THE PUBLIC IS WE USE A LOT OF TERMINOLOGY THAT THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH AND THEY DON'T USE.

AND I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD EXPLAIN THIS TO A MIDDLE SCHOOLER OR YOUR GRANDMOTHER.

AND I THINK THAT THIS DOESN'T GET THE, GET US THERE AND, AND THAT THAT, AND THAT IS PART OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA SELL THIS PLAN TO THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE TO USE IMAGERY THAT IS RELATABLE AND WE HAVE TO USE WORDS THAT PEOPLE USE.

AND WE'VE USED A LOT OF JARGON THAT PLANNERS USE, AND I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE PICKED UP THE JARGON IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

BUT I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY FAIR CRITICISM OF THIS DOCUMENT FROM THE PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE, THAT IT'S FULL OF TERMINOLOGY AND INFORMATION THAT'S NOT VERY EASY FOR THE PUBLIC TO DIGEST.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THAT IS PARTICULARLY TRUE.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THIS SUBJECT, TAKE A LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND SEE IF YOU CAN'T BOIL IT DOWN A LITTLE MORE.

MAYBE BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT, OKAY, IF WE HAVE DART STATIONS, OR MAYBE NOT JUST DART STATIONS, MAYBE OTHER TYPES OF TRAIN TRANSIT AREAS, MAYBE IT'S TRAILS, MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, HIGHWAY INTERSECTIONS.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW TO INCENTIVIZE MORE APPROPRIATE AND DENSE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLIMENTARY SERVICES AT THOSE LOCATIONS? SO IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND WORK AND PLAY NEAR TRANSIT.

'CAUSE WE CANNOT KEEP DEPENDING ON SINGLE OCCUPANCY VEHICLE FOR OUR TRANSPORT TRANSPORTATION UNLESS WE JUST WANT TO PAVE OVER EVERYTHING.

SO WE'VE GOT TO START FOCUSING ON THAT.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITICISMS I HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS IS THAT THIS PLAN FEELS SHORT ON THAT DETAIL.

CAN I JUST ASKING A FOLLOW UP.

I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FROM MAYBE FOCUSING MORE ON SIMPLIFYING SOME OF THE EXISTING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN THERE AND BREAKING THEM DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UM, I GUESS FROM SORT OF WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, THE, THE TOD PORTION OF IT, AND AGAIN, JUST FROM WHAT THIS LAND USE PLAN CAN TAKE ON, AND THEN FROM RECOMMENDATIONS AND ZONING A LOT OF THE TOD AREAS OR THE TRANSIT ORIENTED TO DEVELOPMENT AREAS, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES NOW, THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN REZONED TO ALLOW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LAND USE AND ZONING ISSUE AT THE, THE TRANSIT STATIONS

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THAT ARE NOT ALLOWING OR ARE NOT FACILITATING THE REDEVELOPMENT.

SO I THINK, BUT I THINK WE CAN STILL BREAK DOWN.

I, I'M, I'M COMPLETELY HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT SOME OF THE JARGON AND SOME OF THE, MAYBE WE HAVE TO BREAK DOWN IN MORE SIMPLE TERMS, SOME OF THE STEPS.

I THINK WE DO HAVE STUFF ABOUT PLACEMAKING IN THERE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE ARE PUBLIC PARTNER OR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND MAYBE MORE WORK WITH DART AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN JUST BE EVEN MORE SIMPLER.

WE'RE TALKING AT INTERSECTIONS, WE'RE TALKING AT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT BUS STATION, IT'S NOT JUST ANY BUS STATION, RIGHT? THAT'S A TOD IF YOU'VE GOT A, AND MAYBE SO THINKING ABOUT IT EVEN JUST YEAH, BREAKING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE FOR US BECAUSE A LOT OF IT, UNLIKE ON OUR CORRIDORS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON OUR CORRIDORS, YOU CAN'T, TODAY, MANY OF THEM, YOU CAN'T DO MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU CAN'T ADD IN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THE ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW IT.

BUT IN A LOT OF OUR DART STATIONS AROUND OUR DART STATION, THEY HAVE BEEN ALLOWED.

MIXED USE IS ALLOWED, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'RE JUST NOT DOING IT.

SO I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN PARSE OUT.

WELL, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BE ASKING OURSELVES WHY IT'S NOT GETTING DEVELOPED.

AND I'M, AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT ACCUSING THE PUBLIC OF BEING DUMB.

I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE NOT REACHING THE PUBLIC AND IT'S OUR JOB TO DO IT.

UH, COMMISSIONER WEAVER AS Y'ALL, I KNOW THAT, UH, CEF IS AWARE THAT RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE A, UM, IN SOUTH DALLAS, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY WHO SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO WHOEVER IT IS IN CITY POLITICS AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND FORCE THEM TO CREATE A REAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN AROUND OUR TLD, WHICH IS THE, UM, MARTIN LUTHER KING STATION.

AND, AND THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OWN PROPERTIES AROUND THERE ARE IN, IS WORKING WITH THE PLAN.

AND THEY HAD TO INITIATE SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS BACK THAT, THAT TLD SAID THIS WOULD BE A PLACE THAT IT, THAT YOU CAN CREATE MIXED USE, UM, AFFORDABILITY, ECONOMIC GROWTH.

AND IT JUST SAT SOMEWHERE ON A SHELF FOR YEARS AND THEY HAD TO TAKE A FORCEFUL ACTION AND FOUND SOMEONE THAT WILL LISTEN TO THEM AND THEY'RE IN, IN GOOD PROCESS.

AND THAT MEETING GOES ON ONCE A MONTH.

BUT SOMETIME THESE TOD PLANS ARE, THEY ARE NOT REALLY BEING, UM, THEY'RE JUST ANOTHER LAND USE PLAN.

AND IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT MORE ROOFTOPS AND MORE, AND, AND CREATING ECONOMIC GROWTH, DIVERSITY AND THESE TLD PLACES WHERE WE COULD TRULY PUT SOME, SOME, UM, MORE, I MEAN, PROVIDE MORE DENSITY, WE, THESE PLANS CAN'T JUST SIT ON SHELVES AND WE VOTE ON THEM.

UM, AND, AND COMMUNITIES SHOULD NOT HAVE TO ACTIVATE ON THEIR OWN ONCE THESE TYPE OF PLANS GO INTO EFFECT.

COMMISSIONER, UH, RUBEN, FATHER, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

REQUEST COMES IN, WE CAN SAY THIS IS A AREA THAT WAS DESIGNATED FOR TO D CONSIDERATION.

UM, THINKING ABOUT THE TOD AND WHERE IT'S AT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WAYS THAT WE CAN KIND OF MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE TO PUBLIC.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON THAT, THAT A DEEP DIVE INTO HOW TO DEVELOP TODS MAY BE UP BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE PLANT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE DIFFERENT TODS MAY REQUIRE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES.

I MEAN, AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TODS THAT OCCURRED ALL SORTS OF PLACES.

YOU KNOW, ONE CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD, AND IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND SOME OF THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IS, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T THINK THERE'S JUST A SIMPLE INVENTORY OF DART STATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, RAIL STATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT BUS STATIONS IN THERE THAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING FOR TOD AND MAYBE JUST A REALLY SIMPLE LIST OR MAP SORT OF SAYING, THESE ARE AREAS TO CONSIDER FOR APPROPRIATE COD MAY GO A LONG WAY INTO SAYING, YOU KNOW, ENSURING THE, THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT COD THAT WE, WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, WE'VE PICKED UP THE AREAS MUCH GREATER, YOU KNOW, PLANNING ON A SPECIFIC TOD MAY NEED TO HAPPEN TO SORT OF MAKE IT WORK.

OR MAYBE IT'S ALL THERE, IT JUST NEEDS A DEVELOPER TO COME AND PICK UP AND RUN WITH IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT PROBABLY VARIES FROM COD, UH, YOU KNOW, AREA TO TOD AREA.

BUT I THINK HAVING THAT SORT OF VISUAL OR LIST COMPONENT, JUST CALLING OUT WHAT ARE AREAS THAT ARE REALLY UP FOR CONSIDERATION FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT MIGHT HELP, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, FEEL BETTER THAT WE'VE GIVEN TODS THE, UH, A VERY THOROUGH LOOK, BUT ALSO FUTURE PLAN COMMISSIONS WHEN, WHEN, YOU KNOW, SOME ZONING

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NOW THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND TO ADD TO THAT, AND APOLOGIES NOT EXPLAINING WELL TODAY.

SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE, UH, CATEGORIES, UH, IT'S, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH DART BECAUSE THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED, UM, ALL OF THEIR DART STATIONS WITH THEIR TYPOLOGIES, BUT THEY GO PAST THE CITY LIMITS.

SO IN COORDINATION WITH THEM, UM, THEY ALSO AGREE THAT THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE HERE MAKES SENSE AND THE MAP THAT THEY HAVE, WE CAN UPDATE TO SHOW WHERE IN THE CITY WHAT, WHAT TYPOLOGIES THIS WOULD BE.

AND THEN YOU CAN CONNECT THE DOTS WITH WHAT THAT RAIL STATION IS TO WHAT THE GRAPHIC THAT WE DEVELOP LOOKS LIKE.

SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO JUST THE, THE GRAPHICS, UH, IF THAT'S A, THAT'S A RENDERING, A STREET VIEW, UH, WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU WOULD ALSO THEN KNOW WHAT STATION FALLS WITHIN, UH, THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORY.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR HERBERT HOUSE RIGHT.

LANGUAGE ON THE TODS, UM, RUBEN, WE'RE, WE'RE BATTING A THOUSAND A DAY.

I, UM, I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT WHAT YOU SAID, THAT WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT A TOD IS AND WHERE THEY ARE.

UM, I ONLY HAVE ONE.

AND, AND, AND FOR EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T, WHO HAD, WHO GOES TO THE WEBSITE AND THEY JUST CAN'T SEE TOD 'CAUSE IT MEANS THAT, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'LL READ IS BECAUSE IT'LL MEAN NOTHING.

SO WE HAVE TO DEFINE IT SOME WAY AND GIVE THEM CONTEXT AS TO WHAT IS A TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT.

ONCE WE, AND THEN WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THIS, IT, IT, WHEN YOU SEE WHAT DOES A TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT LOOKS LIKE, WHERE IS IT AND HOW DO YOU PUT DENSITY THERE? AND HOW DOES TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICTS MOVE? THE GOAL IS TO MOVE PEOPLE WITHOUT CARS.

UM, THE GOAL IS TO, TO MAKE IT A MORE URBAN TYPE OF COMMUNITY AND AREA THAT IS WALKABLE AND IT HAS SERVICES THAT ARE INHERENT TO THAT COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY DON'T NEED CARS.

IE MY ONLY TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT IN ALL 53 SQUARE MILES IS OVER BY UNTD.

AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR, BECAUSE IT'S THERE AND AS IT'S DEFINED BY WHAT OUR, OUR GOALS ARE HERE AND WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY DETERMINED NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT, IT'S THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO, TO EXPLAIN TO MY DISTRICT THAT THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE TRIPLEX.

THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE MIXED USE.

THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE HIGH DENSITY, SMALLER LOTS, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ALL APARTMENTS AND, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

AND IF THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T HELP ME EXPLAIN THAT, THEN WHAT YOU FIND IS COMMUNITIES THAT ARE FIGHTING AGAINST WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

DID I SAY THAT? WELL, EXACTLY.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT OLIVER, COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT ON TOD IS, HAS BEEN SPOKEN OF BY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY.

PUT IT AT TOD, YOU WANT ALL TO PUT IT AT TOD.

SO A LOT OF MY COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THERE, THERE.

UM, MAYBE IN FOR DALLAS 2048, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OR INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT'S OUTSIDE OUR PURVIEW, BUT ARE STILL A PART OF THE LAND USE PLAN.

HOW ARE WE ADVERTISING TO THE CORRECT DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP AT THESE SITES? RIGHT? UM, WE HAVE WORLD-CLASS ARCHITECTS AND DEVELOPERS IN THIS CITY, AND WE'RE NOT DOING, IN MY OPINION, ENOUGH TO BRING THEM IN TO DO THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE.

WE HAVE SO MANY ONE-OFFS AND, UH, NOT ORGANIZE DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, I THINK IF WE AS A CITY MAYBE DID MASTER PLANNING COMPETITIONS OR SOME OTHER THINGS TO ADVERTISE OR, OR GET THE BEST DEVELOPERS IN OUR AREAS, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, UM, GETTING THINGS PASSED, LIKE FOR DALLAS WOULD BE EASIER.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT.

FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND I, I I THINK WE'VE, WE'RE REACHING CONSENSUS TO THAT.

WE'RE GONNA NEED TO NEITHER CUT AT THIS, BUT COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

ADDRESS, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S REMARKS, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT IS A PROBLEM.

UM, WELL, MY COMMENTS ARE, ARE, ARE RATHER GENERAL, BUT I MEAN, I, I SUPPORT PUTTING GREATER CLARITY AROUND THE, THE, UH, DENSITY AND THE CHARACTER OF THE, OF TOD DEVELOPMENTS.

BUT TO

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WE DON'T HAVE TOD DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CITY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A ZONING PROBLEM, UNFORTUNATELY.

UH, I HAVE TWO TODS IN MY DISTRICT, UH, ONE OF WHICH DART HAS PUT OUT RFPS ON TWICE WITH ZERO RESPONSE.

UM, ANOTHER WHERE WE HAD GRANTED SIGNIFICANT DENSITY AT A STATION AND, UM, THE, UM, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPER CAME IN AND BUILT UNITS AT A FRACTION OF THE DENSITY THAT WE ALLOWED BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN DARK, BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR TRACT DIDN'T HAVE VISIBILITY ON THE HIGH VOLUME THOROUGHFARE NEARBY.

UM, AND THEY, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T SEE, THEY DIDN'T SEE THE RELEVANCE OF THE DENSITY ON THAT TRACT.

AND SO I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA GET THE KIND OF TOD DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE OTHER TOOLS OUTSIDE OF ZONING.

IT'S GONNA BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITY.

IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT.

BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU SIR.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR BY COMMISSIONER.

SHE, I THINK THIS IS WHERE, SEE, I THINK WHEN WE GO TO TALKING ABOUT THE TOD, UM, ONE OF THE, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, WHEN ANDREA CAME ON STAFF, UM, SHE WENT AND FOUND ALL AREA PLANS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, EVERY AREA PLAN.

AND SHE SAID, WE'RE NOT DOING ANOTHER ONE.

WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE ONES THAT'S THERE.

WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT WE, WHERE WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS.

SO WE NEED TO FIRST, AS COMMISSIONER RUBIN SAID, WE NEED INPUT ON WHERE, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE TDS ALREADY IN PLACE THAT ARE GETTING NO FRACTION, WHICH I'M GONNA BELIEVE THAT THERE IS QUITE A BIT ALONG THE DAR DART, UM, IN THE DARK AREA.

I, I FOUND OUT ABOUT TDA COUPLE OF TODS THAT WAS IN, IN, IN MY AREA AND NEVER KNEW THEY EVEN EXISTED.

AND AGAIN, DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE LANGUAGE WAS.

BUT SOMEONE IN THE, THAT, THAT'S FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE CREATED THAT TOD DID.

SO I THINK BEFORE IT REALLY CAN GET A CONSENSUS ON THAT IS SEND US THAT.

AND THEN HOW, HOW, WHEN WE DO, WHEN WE DO, UM, CREATE THE LANGUAGE AROUND THE TLD, WHO IS THE PLAYERS IS DART, UM, WE HAVE OTHER TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION, UM, EVEN ALL THE WAY TO NOT JUST THE DART TRAINS AND BUSES WHERE THERE ALSO HAVE THEIR DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE.

HOW, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, UM, SCHOOLS, EVERYTHING AROUND IT? WHO IS ALL THE PLAYERS THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IN THOSE TODS? AND THEN LOOKING AT THE EXISTING TODS TO SEE IS THERE A ROOM FOR EXPANSION? BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK WITHOUT A COMMUNITY CITY AND EVERYONE THAT WILL.

UM, AND I THINK THAT IF WE GET DEVELOPERS IN THE ROOM THAT SEE THAT CAN SEE THAT AND SEE WHAT, WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES IS, THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO REALLY HAVE A, A PLAN THAT, THAT THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE.

COMMISSIONER TURNER, PLEASE, SIR, I HAVE A, A QUESTION.

WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED TALKING ABOUT PUTTING DENSITY AROUND TODS, WE, WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT PRIMARY THOROUGH AFFAIRS.

WHEN YOU, UM, LIST TODS, AND WHEN I HEAR THE WORD TODI, I THINK DEVELOPMENT AROUND TRANSIT STOPS, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'VE SHOWED US HERE? OR, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE IMAGES DON'T ACTUALLY INCLUDE RAIL, SO THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT RIGHT.

GREAT QUESTION.

SO, SO AS WE DISCUSS WITH DART, UH, WHERE, WHAT, WHERE ARE THEIR PRIORITIES FOR TOD? UH, THE, THE, THE FIRST PRIORITY ARE RAIL STATIONS.

UM, BUT ALSO AS WE LOOK AT, UH, RAIL STATIONS THAT EXIST IN THE CITY, THERE ARE SOME THAT EXIST IN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

SO THE IMAGES THAT WE SHOWED MIGHT BE, MIGHT UPDATED OR GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT OF JUST HAVING MAYBE HAVE A RAIL ON EACH OF THOSE.

UM, BUT I THINK A, A PART OF THAT IS IN ADDITION TO JUST THE RAIL STOPS, LIKE WHAT DOES THAT COMMUNITY LOOK LIKE AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE, UH, EXCUSE ME, COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE, ARE EITHER WORRY ABOUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S CLOSE TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR IF THEY WANT INCREASED DENSITY AND THEY, YOU'RE CURIOUS WHY THERE ISN'T DENSITY, UH, WHAT WHAT ELEMENTS SHOULD BE THERE TOO.

SO I THINK TO YOUR POINT WITH THE RENDERINGS, WE CAN LOOK TO, UM, UPDATE AND HOW OUR CONSULTANT INCLUDE THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

WELL, WHAT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE MAP, UH, THAT WE HAVE NOW YOU'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING A PERFORATED CIRCLE AROUND THE RAIL STOPS, BUT THERE'S NO DESIGNATION ALONG PRIMARY THOROUGHFARES FOR, HEY, THIS ALSO MIGHT BE AN AREA THAT WE WANNA PUT DENSITY.

UM, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TRANSIT RIGHT LINES BY CAR, BY OUR BUS, UH, ROUTES.

BUS RAPID TRANSIT AS WELL, UM, TO DART.

SO THE HIGH FREQUENCY BUS, BUS LINES IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD POINT.

I ACTUALLY MENTIONED

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AND THE PRIORITY IS, I GUESS STILL RAIL STATIONS.

UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN, UH, ASK AND HAVE A FEW MORE FOLLOW UP MEETINGS IN TERMS OF HOW CAN WE HAVE THAT, UM, THAT LAYER TO ADD TO THAT MAP TO JUST SHOW THE FOCUS OF THE DENSITY.

UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE TOD COMPONENT, SO HOW WILL THAT BE COMMUNICATED TO PUBLIC? BECAUSE, UM, LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAVE SAID WHEN WE'RE DOING OUTREACH MM-HMM AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE SAY THE INTENT OF WE'RE TRYING TO PUT DENSITY IN PRIMARY THOROUGH FARES, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IT AROUND DART, AND THEN THEY GO AND LOOK AT THE MAP AND THEY CAN, NOW WE SEE THE PERFORATED, BUT THEY DON'T SEE IT ALONG THE THOROUGHFARES.

SO, SO WILL THAT BE COMMUNICATED BY WHAT, HOW WILL WE GET THAT INTO THE PLAN? YEAH, SO I WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND SEPARATE TRANSIT, UM, KIND OF NODES VERSUS ROUTES.

UH, SO WHEN WE GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B, THOSE DESTINATIONS OR THE, THOSE POINTS OF ARRIVAL, UM, THOSE ARE THE PLACES THEY WERE LOOKING TO DEVELOP.

'CAUSE WHEN YOU GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IN BETWEEN NO ONE'S STOPPING THERE TO, TO DO COMMERCE OR ET CETERA.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE FOCUS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE STATIONS OR THOSE CENTERS.

SO IT COULD BE A A, A TRANSIT CENTER LIKE REDBIRD FOR EXAMPLE.

IT'S A TRANSIT CENTER.

IT'S NOT A TRAIN STOP.

UM, THAT IS ALSO IDENTIFIED AS A PARTICULAR LOCATION.

AND THAT'S WITHIN SOME OF THESE TYPOLOGIES ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE IDENTIFYING INCLUDES TRANSIT, TRANSIT STATIONS, RAIL, AND ALSO THE TRANSIT, UM, CENTERS, WHICH ARE, UM, HIGHLY TRAFFICKED BY BUS.

UH, BUT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE CORRIDOR OR THE, THE ROUTES OF THE BUSES.

UM, BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT WHERE THEY GO OR THEY'RE COMING FROM.

PARDON ME, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.

AND I DON'T THINK I SAW THIS IN THERE.

DOES THIS ALL CONTEMPLATE USE OF OUR TRAIL SYSTEM AND MAYBE CONNECTORS OF ON THE TRAIL SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY IN THE URBAN CORE, INCREASINGLY PEOPLE USE THE TRAIL SYSTEM TO, TO COMMUTE.

UH, SO WE TOUCH ON IT LIGHTLY.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

THE TRAILS AND TRANSIT.

AND I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY, IT GOES BACK TO A FEW THINGS THAT YOU JUST REMIND ME OF IS THOSE BOTH SHOULD BE PART OF THIS, THE CONVERSATION.

'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK JUST, SORRY, JUST RECALLING A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THE EQUITY OF GETTING AROUND THE CITY WITHOUT A CAR.

UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE THROUGH TRANSIT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE THROUGH BUS, BUT ALSO TO TRAILS, THOSE WHO BIKE, UH, BEING ABLE TO ACCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE SERVICES AND THOSE THINGS.

SO I THINK THAT'S A PIECE THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD AND EMPHASIZE.

'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN EMPHASIS ON THAT IN THIS DOCUMENT.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A FULL 40% OR 50% OF OUR PDS ALLOW FOR HELIPORTS.

SHOULD WE INCORPORATE THAT? UM, , SORRY.

WOULD BE JUST TO QUALIFY THE TERM, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE DEFINITION ABOVE.

CONSENSUS THERE.

WE'RE GONNA, UH, GIVE IT ANOTHER, ANOTHER CUT AND BRING THAT BACK.

NEXT ITEM.

ALRIGHT, LAST ONE.

UM, SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, JUST TO PUT IN CONTEXT, UM, THE LOCATION OR WHAT, EXCUSE ME, OR HOW HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS ARE INCORPORATED OR AFFECTED OR NOT AFFECTED IN THE PLAN? UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, THROUGH CONVERSATION.

UM, THE, THE TERM, UH, YOU KNOW, SELF-DETERMINATION CAME UP IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S USED, IF IT SHOULD BE USED.

UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME INPUT IN TERMS OF MAYBE JUST UPDATING THE DEFINITIONS OF, UH, THAT THE LANGUAGE, UM, IN THE DOCUMENT TO NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THAT SELF-DETERMINATION LANGUAGE.

SOME DID.

SO THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THIS UP IS 'CAUSE WE STILL FELT THERE WAS ON OR ON THE FENCE IN TERMS OF HOW WE ADDRESS, UH, THE TERM SELF-DETERMINATION, UH, IN THE DOCUMENT.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE LAST THING WE TOUCH ON TODAY.

UM, I WANTED JUST TO TALK THROUGH WHAT, UH, WE DISCUSSED AND THEN THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

UH, SO AS WE ARE LOOKING TO JUST THINK ABOUT IF THAT TERM SHOULD BE INCORPORATED OR NOT, UH, I WANNA JUST TALK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, AND THEN HAVE YOU ALL KIND OF HELP US GO, GO FORWARD.

SO ONE, UM, IF WE KEEP THE TERM, UM, YOU KNOW, WANNA DEFINE IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE GLOSSARY AND THE DOCUMENT, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING MORE IN LINE WITH, UH, THIS IS THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, SHAPES ITS FUTURE AND REPRESENTS THEIR INTERESTS THROUGH EQUITABLE PLANNING, INCLUSIVE ENGAGEMENT FOR A REPRESENTATION AND COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY.

UH, OPTION TWO

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AND THE THIRD OPTION WOULD BE IF WE DON'T USE THE TERM STILL, DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE LANGUAGE, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD AS WE ARE DEFINING HOW HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS NEIGHBORHOODS STABILIZATION OVERLAYS ARE INCLUDED OR REPRESENTED, UM, IN THE, IN THE PLAN DOCUMENT CONSENSUS.

COMMISSIONER HALL, THANK YOU.

IS THIS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THE TERM SELF-DETERMINATION, BUT IS IT A PLANNING, UH, OFFICIAL PLANNING TERM? UH, IS IT ROUTINELY USED TO DESCRIBE LAND, LAND USE POLICIES? UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH, I THINK IT'S MORE, A LOT OF IT'S LOCAL TO WHAT WE HEAR IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.

UH, BUT IN TERMS OF THIS PLANNING, UM, TERMS I HAVEN'T HEARD OUTSIDE REALLY THE LAST FEW YEARS.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT.

YEAH, IT, IT'S, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO UTA TO STUDY PLANNING, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA TEACH YOU THERE.

LIKE THE, THE CONCEPT OF A COMMUNITY COMING TOGETHER AND ADVOCATING FOR A CERTAIN VISION OF THEIR FUTURE IS SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA TEACH YOU, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY THIS IS NEIGHBORHOOD SELF DETERMINATION.

IT'S MORE OF A TERM, ESPECIALLY LOCALLY THAT'S, THAT'S GROWN UP HERE IN THE PAST 10, 15, 20 YEARS.

HMM.

TO ME IT HAS A SINISTER COM UH, A A SINISTER MEANING, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT A, LET'S SAY A HISTORICAL COMMUNITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY WANT TO COME TOGETHER AND SAY, WE WANT TO KEEP OUR HOUSES CERTAIN SHAPE, CERTAIN COLORS, WHATEVER.

BUT, UH, PERSONALLY I'M, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE USING THAT TERM BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS.

UM, IF, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO FURTHER BACK IN HISTORY, UM, NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE SELF-DETERMINED SOME VERY INEQUITABLE THINGS.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSE.

PARDON ME, GENTLEMEN, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER.

I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HALL, BUT IN THIS TEXT, CAN WE USE UT, UM, UNT PLEASE , SINCE THAT YOU HAVE A STUDENT ON STAFF.

GO EAGLE, YOU SAID GO EAGLES COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSEWRIGHT FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK.

ALRIGHT.

UM, YEAH, I DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR THE TERM EITHER FOR ALL THE REASONS, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL JUST, UM, ENUMERATED AND THEN I'LL, I'LL ADD, UM, IT JUST LEAVES ME WITH THE FEELING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TELLING THE COMMUNITY, WELL TELL US WHAT YOU WANT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

AND THAT THERE'S NO, UM, DECISION MAKING RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PART OF THIS BODY OR OTHER, OTHER BODIES.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISBAND THIS PLAN COMMISSION AND JUST HAVE A COMMUNITY VOTE ON EVERYTHING AND ONE, NOTHING WOULD GET DONE.

TWO, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE THE HIGHEST QUALITY OUTCOME EITHER.

SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A DIFFICULT TERM IF IT HAS TO STAY IN FOR SOME REASON, I THAT I, I DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE FOR IT.

SURE, SURE.

NOT, UH, MY SENTIMENT, UH, ALSO ECHOES, UM, BOTH OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE.

I, I THINK SELF-DETERMINATION, ALTHOUGH THE SPIRIT INTENT IS, IS GOOD ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, MAKING, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE, UH, THEY'RE PART OF THE PROCESS AND GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT IS, IS AT FACE VALUE A GOOD THING.

BUT I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS HOW THAT TERM HAS MORPHED INTO SOMETHING THAT IT REALLY WASN'T ALWAYS USED.

AND, UH, IT, IT'S SORT OF NOW BECOME PROXY WITH WE GET TO DO WHAT WE WANNA DO.

AND, UM, I ALSO DON'T LIKE HOW IT'S USED BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S SORT OF THESE WORKOUT ARRANGEMENTS WHERE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD GOES TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAYS, LOOK, WE'RE NOT GONNA MESS, MESS WITH YOUR SELF-DETERMINATION.

YOU DON'T MESS WITH OURS.

AND, AND TO ME IT UNDERMINES GOOD PLANNING.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PLANNING IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT SYSTEMICALLY.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS OPERATING LIKE FIEFDOMS THAT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO PRESERVE THEIR OWN SELF-INTEREST, IT CAN UNDERMINE THINGS THAT CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, ET CETERA.

I ALSO THINK TOO, IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE YOU HAVE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE VERY ORGANIZED AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS ORGANIZED IN THOSE ORGANIZED NEIGHBORHOODS, SELF-DETERMINED USES AND THINGS THAT THEY DON'T WANNA SEE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY PUSH 'EM OFF INTO OTHER NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF WAYS THAT IT CAN GO WRONG.

I'D, UH, I'D, UM, SUPPORT REMOVING IT.

THAT'S TRUE.

GOOD.

USED IN, IN VARYING WAYS.

ECHOING A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS.

UM, I, I'VE SEEN NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION

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I, I THINK SEVERAL PEOPLE WITH, MANY PEOPLE WITH THE ABSOLUTE BEST OF INTENTIONS HAVE TAKEN UP THE MANTLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION TO COMBAT THE INEQUITABLE CO-LOCATION OF RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES IN WAYS THAT DON'T WORK.

AND WE SEE PEOPLE SORT OF USING THAT MANTRA TODAY.

AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHERE PEOPLE IN MORE AFFLUENT, WIDER PARTS OF THE CITY WE'RE ABLE TO USE NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION FOR THE GOOD PURPOSE OF PREVENTING THAT, THAT RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL PROBLEM.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE ALSO THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF DALLAS, HAVE ALSO USED NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION TO SOME VERY INEQUITABLE GROSS.

AND, AND I WILL SAY THAT THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WHO STILL USE THAT BANNER NEIGHBOR SELF-DETERMINATION, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS EVERYONE WHO USES THAT BANNER, BUT THERE IS A SUBSET WHO STILL WANTS TO USES THAT, THAT SORT OF LABEL TO SOME REALLY, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATE ENDS.

I CAN THINK OF A CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH A COMMUNITY MEMBER ON A ZONING CASE WHERE IT WAS INVOLVED A TWEAK IN WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, LAND USE WAS, WHETHER IT WAS AT R SOMETHING VERSUS R SOMETHING ELSE.

AND I WAS TOLD MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE HOUSES WORTH $700,000 AND UP, AND THIS IS GOING TO LEAD TO HOUSES THAT SELL FOR $400,000 IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THAT IS AN UGLY EXAMPLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION THAT STAYS WITH ME TO THIS DAY AND MAKES ME VERY WARY OF PUTTING THIS, UM, TERM INTO OUR, UM, LAND USE PLAN.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE ALL ABOUT PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THINGS THAT WILL HARM THEM, BUT THAT DOES NOT ALWAYS ALIGN STRICTLY WITH THE CONCEPT OF NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION.

SO I'M VERY PRO LANGUAGE ABOUT PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS FROM HARMFUL THINGS, BUT NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION MIXES IN A LOT OF GOOD AND A LOT OF BAD ALL IN THE SAME BUCKET.

AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY A USELESS TERM, IF NOT WORSE IN MY VIEW.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH? WELL, I, I, I'D LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.

UH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, FEEL THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO, UM, BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH SINGLE FAMILY ZONING OR IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW, YOU KNOW, MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE IF THEY'RE GONNA, UH, ALLOW ADUS, UH, WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND JUST ADD TO THE DENSITY PROBLEMS AND THE PARKING PROBLEMS, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ORGANIZE AND BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEIR INTEREST.

UH, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAINST A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING DONE, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DEFINITELY NEED TO BE, UH, UH, A PARTNER, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE CITY.

AND I, I THINK THAT IS THE POINT OF, OF INCLUDING THIS LANGUAGE.

I, I MUST SAY, I, I'M A LITTLE DISTURBED THOUGH THAT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THE CITY STAFF GAVE TO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THESE POINTS.

BECAUSE THE SPECIFIC THING THAT WAS, UH, STATED IN THE, UH, PUBLIC PRESENTATION, UH, TO THE PUBLIC AT ALL THESE FOUR DALLAS TOWN HALLS WAS THAT WE WOULD INCORPORATE THE LANGUAGE TO RECOGNIZE AND PROTECT HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS, AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, UH, IN ALL ASPECTS OF DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING DECISIONS.

AND, AND, AND THAT WE ALSO IDENTIFY AT LEAST THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE CDS AND THE NSOS ON THE PLACE TYPES MAP.

AND I, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING DISCUSSED HERE TODAY.

UH, I, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DENSITY DISCUSSION, WE JUST HAD, THE, THE, THE, THE POINT THAT WAS MADE TO THE PUBLIC WAS THAT WE, WE WOULD SUPPORT THE IDEA OF MORE DENSE HOUSING CHOICES THAT WOULD BE PLACED ALONG MAJOR STREETS, TRANSPORTATION HUBS LIKE DART STATIONS, VACANT COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACES, VACANT LAND, BUT NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT WAS THE PROTECTION THAT WE SAID THAT WE WOULD, UH, WANT TO MAKE INCORPORATE INTO THIS PLAN.

AND THEN WE, WE, WE, WE SAID THAT WE WOULD REMOVE THE VACANT PROPERTIES, UH, THAT THEY PRESENT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOUGHTFUL, MIDDLE, MISSING HOUSING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

WE, WE, WE, WE, WE SAID THAT WE WOULD REMOVE THAT.

NONE OF THESE THINGS THAT WE SET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE, FOR DALLAS TOWN HALL MEETINGS ARE BEING DISCUSSED

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TODAY.

SO I I, I'M VERY DISTURBED THAT, UH, WE, WE, WE'VE KIND OF CHANGED THE, THE, THE, THE WAY WE'RE, WE'RE PRESENTING THESE, THESE CHANGES TO THE CPC TODAY.

SO, COMMISSIONER, TO BE CLEAR, UM, A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS WERE THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAD CONSENSUS FROM CPC THAT WE WERE GONNA CREATE AN APPENDIX THAT HAS THE, THE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WE NEEDED TO BRING THAT FORWARD TODAY TO REHASH THAT.

UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN AT PUBLIC MEETINGS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE CLEAR, WE, WE HAD CLARITY THAT THEY, THE COMMISSION WANTED THAT LANGUAGE THERE, BUT SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE SAID SELF-DETERMINATION IN THAT LANGUAGE, THAT'S WHERE WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION THAT SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M GOOD WITH ACKNOWLEDGING HISTORICAL DISTRICTS, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION, OVERLAYS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, AND THE PROCESS THAT THOSE COMMUNITIES WENT THROUGH.

WHAT I'M, WHAT WE WANTED TO GET CLARITY ON IS DO WE DESCRIBE THAT THROUGH SELF-DETERMINATION? DO WE USE THAT TERM? DO WE USE SOMETHING ELSE? DO WE TALK ABOUT IT? THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO BRING FORWARD TO SAY THAT'S WHAT WE WANT CLARITY ON.

NOT THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, BUT SOME OF THE VERBIAGE IN WHAT WE'RE TALK, EXCUSE ME, HOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE, THOSE DISTRICTS.

COMMISSIONER HARVARD FALLBACK, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

AND JUST TO ADD TO, TO WHAT PATRICK MENTIONED, SO A LOT OF THOSE OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU MENTIONED, STAFF IS GONNA CONTINUE FORTH WITH A LOT OF THAT CLEAR CONSENSUS FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD TO HELP WITH THOSE PROTECTIONS, UH, THAT WE TALKED EARLIER IN OUR WORKSHOPS.

BUT THERE, THIS PRESENTATION WAS FOCUSED SOLELY ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CLEAR DIRECTION.

UH, SO AFTER THIS MEETING, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PACKAGE THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

UM, THAT WOULD INCLUDE A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS, THAT, SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU PROVIDED, A LOT OF THAT, THAT WE HEARD AS THIS BODY ALSO PROVIDED FEEDBACK AND HOPEFULLY PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT, UM, TOUCHES ON ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

COMMUNITY BUILDING INVOLVES COLLABORATION.

SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU GUYS FOR INCLUDING, UM, OUR SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE MAP.

I NOTICED THAT THOSE INCLUSIONS WERE, UM, ON THE LATEST VERSION OF THE APRIL MAP, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WILL APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL.

UM, I DO UNDERSTAND HOW, UM, THE WORD SELF DETERMINATION, EVEN BY HOA, CAN BE USED, UM, TO HURT OUR RESIDENTS IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

UM, I THINK A LOT OF THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS WHO ALREADY HAVE DETERMINATIONS, UM, WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN THIS GROUP, BUT WOULD USE THIS TERM TO FIGHT OFF OR BATTLE SOME THINGS THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE BY, RIGHT.

UM, SO I THINK ANOTHER WORD, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF WE HEARD ANY OTHER EXAMPLES WOULD BE COMMUNITY BUILDING.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TELL THESE NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MY OPINION IS SELF-DETERMINATION EXCLUDES A LOT.

UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE A DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN BLOCKS WITH DUPLEXES, WE HAVE A BLOCK WITH ADUS, WE HAVE A HOUSE, AND HOW DO WE COMBINE AND BE A COMMUNITY? SO I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS COMMUNITY BUILDING AND SELF-DETERMINATION, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY OPINION.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SORT OF ALONG THE SAME LINES, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST USING MORE POSITIVE LANGUAGE, LIKE COLLABORATION AMONG STAKEHOLDERS INSTEAD OF HAVING A DEFINED TERM, JUST A DESCRIPTIVE PROCESS THAT'S MORE POSITIVE.

IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT, SO MAYBE IT'LL BE MORE CLEAR IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, BUT, UM, PARTICULARLY SINCE SELF-DETERMINATION HAS AT TIMES BEEN USED TO EFFECTUATE SEGREGATION OR, UM, AT LEAST IN CLASSIST WAYS, IT, NOT TO SAY IT HASN'T ALSO BEEN USED IN POSITIVE WAYS.

IT HAS, I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN IT BE USED IN POSITIVE WAYS, BUT I THINK IN TODAY'S TIMES, WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE WORDS THAT WE USE AND HOW WE USE THEM.

AND USING A MORE POSITIVE TERMINOLOGY KIND OF AVOIDS ALL THOSE TRAPS WE HAVE.

CONSENSUS, GENTLEMEN.

UH, SO WITH THAT, THAT'S THE COMMUNITY BUILDING IN THERE, , RIGHT? THAT'S PERFECT.

RIGHT? I THINK JUST ONE MORE ITEM, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, TWO MORE.

UH, JUST TALK THROUGH THE SCHEDULE, UH, MOVING FORWARD UNLESS, OH, THAT WAS THE LAST THING.

SO IF, SO OUR, OUR TEAM SENT THAT PACKAGE OUT.

WE HAD MORE, THEN WE PRESENT IT AND TALK ABOUT TODAY.

IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT YOU FEEL THIS THIS BODY SHOULD, I MEAN THE, OUR STAFF SHOULD LOOK AT OR INVESTIGATE, UH, PLEASE REACH OUT TO US SO WE CAN, UH, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT ON THE HORSESHOE.

UM, IF NOT, I WANNA TALK THROUGH, UH, UPCOMING

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SCHEDULE.

OH, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BODY IS OKAY WITH IT.

I THINK WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S THAT SECTION IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

AND IT MIGHT BE IN SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL ABOUT INFILL ON VACANT LOTS.

I FEEL LIKE I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE TO TAKE IT OUT, JUST REMOVE IT ENTIRELY.

BUT I WANNA CONFIRM THAT, THAT IT'S LIKE CR THREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BODY IN GENERAL IS OKAY WITH US TAKING IT OUT.

ALL RIGHT, SO IN TERMS OF WHAT'S NEXT, UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, GIVING US A FEW HOURS WORTH OF TIME JUST TO CLARIFY SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. UH, SO NEXT STEP FOUR STAFF IS TO WORK ON PUBLISHING AN UPDATED MAP AND AN UPDATED DOCUMENT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK AND THE CONSENSUS THAT WE'VE HEARD.

UH, SO OUR TENTATIVELY UH, UH, OUR TIMELINE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT OUT BY THE 23RD, OR BETWEEN 23RD AND 30TH.

UH, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE GETTING COMMENTS.

I'M, I'M ASSUMING, BY A FEW OF YOU ALL.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA US GIVING US, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM.

UH, BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A DOCUMENT TO YOU ALL, UM, AT LEAST THREE WEEKS BEFORE, UM, WE COME BACK TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THAT DOCUMENT, UM, IN, IN A, UH, ESPECIALLY CALLED HEARING.

SO RIGHT NOW, WE, JUST LOOKING ON THE CALENDAR, WE HAVE, UH, ANOTHER, UM, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, JUNE 6TH, IF WE NEED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE UPDATE OR ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL DEDICATING TIME TO DO THAT.

UH, BUT WE ARE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULING TO HAVE, UH, A ESPECIALLY CALLED MEETING MONDAY, JUNE 17TH.

CURRENTLY, WE'RE LOOKING TO CONFIRM LOCATION THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HOUSE, UH, THIS COMMITTEE AND PUBLIC CO, UH, PUBLIC AS WELL.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT PARTICULAR DAY, UM, IN CITY HALL WOULD BE, UM, NOT FEASIBLE JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER COUNCIL COMMITTEES DURING THAT DAY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PLACES LIKE THE LIBRARY, UM, OR MAYBE ANOTHER DAY DURING THAT WEEK, AND WE'LL CONFIRM WITH THIS BODY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

SO I CURRENTLY, I DON'T THINK LILIANA AND YOLANDA ARE LOOKING AT, UM, SECURING AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WHEREVER LOCATION WE HAVE, UH, COULD ALLOW FOR, UH, TOMO, TOMO REQUIREMENTS, BEING ABLE TO COME IN THROUGH WEBEX, HAVE CONVERSATIONS BOTH IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY.

UH, SO WE'LL CONFIRM THAT, UH, WHEN THAT, ONCE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE CONFIRMED TO US.

BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE AN UPDATED DOC BY THE END OF THE MONTH, UH, AND THEN ALSO HAVE A LOCATION SECURED, UM, IN MID-JUNE, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETIME THE WEEK OF HOPEFULLY, UH, JUNE 17TH.

QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE'RE ANYTHING ELSE, GENTLEMEN? NOPE.

THAT'S, THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON, ON SCHEDULE.

GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

UH, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH THE PLATS, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I AM SORRY, BUT I CAN'T SEE WHO THAT'S ONLINE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A, A BREAK NOW.

GET REFRESHED.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE COME, COME BACK.

WE'RE GONNA HEAD RIGHT BACK INTO THE, THE AGENDA.

WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, WILL BE TRAVELING.

SO WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH THE PLATS.

SO WE WILL BE STARTING ON PAGE SEVEN, AND WE'LL DISPOSE OF THE PLATS AND THEN GO RIGHT IN ORDER, STARTING WITH CASE NUMBER TWO, 15 MINUTE BREAK.

OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, IT IS 3 41.

WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

[SUBDIVISION DOCKET: Consent Items]

THE, THE SCREEN IS JUST TOO SMALL FOR ME.

I KNOW IT'S NOT MR. ARD, I'M HEMA, I'LL BE PRESENTING TODAY.

ITEM 21 S 2, 34 DASH 1 0 8, ITEM 22 S 2 34 DASH 1 0 9, ITEM 23 S 2 34 DASH ITEM 24 S 2 34 DASH ONE.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, AND ALL TODAY'S CONTENT AS INDA CONSISTS OF 10 ITEMS. ITEM 15 S 2 34 DASH 0 98, ITEM 16 S 2 34 DASH 100, ITEM 17 S 2 34 DASH 1 0 1, ITEM 18 S 2 34 DASH 1 0 2, ITEM 19 S 2 34 DASH 1 0 3, SORRY, CORRECTION ITEM 20 S 2 34 DASH 1 0 4,

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UM, ITEM 23 S 2 34 DASH ZERO.

CONDITIONS TO BE ADDED ON.

THE FINAL PLAT, PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF 15 FEET BETWEEN EACH GROUP OF EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES.

SECTION 51 A DASH 4.148 A.

ALL CASES HAS BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE, UH, LOOKING TO DISPOSE OF CASES 15 THROUGH 24, BEGINNING ON PAGE SEVEN.

THOSE WILL ALL BEEN TAKEN IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE CASES.

15 TO 24.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE CASES? 15 TO 24 COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

IN THE MATTER OF THE CONSENT, UM, THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT DOCKET ITEMS NUMBER 15 THROUGH 24, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND IS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COMPANY FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER SHERNOFF FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

[25. 24-1631 An application to replat a 0.175-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 16 in City Block 8A/8209 and tract of land in City Block 8209 and 8227 to create one lot on property located on Club Hill Court, east of Club Oaks Drive.]

GO TO NUMBER 25 PLEASE.

ITEM 25 S 2 3 4 DASH 0 9 9.

AN APPLICATION TO REPLY, A 0.17 ACRE TRACK OF LAND, CONTINUING ALL OF LOT 16 IN CITY BLOCK EIGHT A OVER 8 2 0 9, AND TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 8 2 0 9 AND 8 2 2 7 TO CREATE ONE LOT AND PROPERTY LOCATED ON CLUB HILL COURT EAST OF CLUB OAKS DRIVE 15 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 30TH, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND THREE REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST, STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE APPROVAL BE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

AN, UH, AN EXHIBIT THAT I PREPARED, UH, AS, UH, ONE, UH, UH, IS THE, IS THE 1976 ORIGINAL PLAT.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? YES, SIR.

PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND, UH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES EACH.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS VICTOR AK.

MY, UH, BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 42 0 5 BELTWAY DRIVE IN ADDISON, TEXAS.

I AM THE SURVEYOR ENGINEER, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PLAT REPRESENTING THE OWNER WHO'S SEATED TO MY RIGHT, UH, MR. NEWBIE.

UH, AND SO, UH, OKAY, THANKS.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, HOW WE GOT HERE WAS, UH, MR. MR. NEWBIE BOUGHT, UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, UH, ON LOT, UH, 16 OF THIS SUBDIVISION.

AND, UH, HE BEGAN IMPROVEMENTS, UH, IMMEDIATELY.

AND ONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HE WANTED TO DO WAS TO ADD AN IN-GROUND SWIM POOL.

HE HIRED A POOL, UH, CONTRACTOR.

THE CONTRACTOR WENT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS TO APPLY FOR A POOL PERMIT.

AND THE, UH, BUILDING, UH, OFFICIAL SAID WE'RE OKAY WITH THE PERMIT, EXCEPT YOU HAVE TO, UH, UH, HE, OH, I'M SORRY, I GOT A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF MYSELF.

HE ADDED A 40 FOOT BY 50 FOOT PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF HIS, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ROOM ON HIS LOT FOR THE INGROUND POOL.

UH, AND SO THE, HE WAS IN, UH, THE, THE POOL BUILDER WAS TOLD, WELL, YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPL THE PROPERTY INTO A SINGLE LOT.

THEY, THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW THE TAG LOT.

SO THAT'S WHEN I GOT INVOLVED.

I PREPARED THE PLAT, SUBMITTED IT FOR, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVAL, AND, UH, GOT THE COMMENT FROM MOHAMMED THAT THE, UH, UH, PLAT WAS DENIED BECAUSE THE, THE 2000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION THAT HE PROPERTY THAT HE BOUGHT IS A DIFFERENT ZONING, IS ZONED R ONE, WHICH REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF ONE ACRE LOTS, BUT IT'S NOT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, ANY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S JUST FOR THIS IN-GROUND POOL.

UH, AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE IS TO TRY TO, UH, PLEAD OUR CASE TO GET THE PLAT APPROVED SO THAT HE CAN ADD THIS 2000 FOOT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR HIS IN GROUND POOL.

AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE JUST BEEN HANDED

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AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS, THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, LOT 16, UH, ON THE EXHIBIT.

UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 1976.

IN 1983, THERE WAS A RE PLAT OF LOT 17 THAT BECAME LOT 17 A AND, UH, THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A, A PRECEDENT FOR ALLOWING THIS REPL TO OCCUR, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO CONFORM TO THE R ONE ZONING BECAUSE, UH, A SLIVER OF LAND, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE 1983 REPLANT FOR LOT 17 WAS ALLOWED WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE ZONING.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL, I'LL CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.

HELLO, MY NAME'S JOHN NEWBIE AND I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 17,415 CLUB HILL COURT.

THE PIECE OF PROPERTY BEHIND OUR PROPERTY IS TOTALLY 100% SURROUNDED BY THE GOLF COURSE.

THERE'S NO OTHER DEVELOPMENT OR ACRE LOTS OR HOMES IN THAT AREA.

MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S ACTUALLY A POND BEHIND IT THAT, SO THE, THE ZONING OF R ONE BACK THERE, THERE'S NO OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AT ALL BACK THERE.

IT, IT, IT'S ALL GOLF COURSE.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? YES, SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR.

GENTLEMEN, IF YOU COULD MAYBE TAKE A SEAT RIGHT THERE IN THE VERY BACK, UH, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE YOU BACK FOR YOUR REBUTTAL.

UH, THOSE MICS ACTUALLY MAY NOT WORK, SIR.

SO IF YOU COULD JUST SIT RIGHT AT THE VERY BEGINNING IN THE VERY, VERY MIDDLE, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN.

UH, YOU MADE ME TO PRESS A LITTLE BUTTON THERE TO TURN ON THE MIC.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

UH, I'M IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY, UM, NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS.

AND, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL COMMENTS, I THINK TURNED IN BY THE NEIGHBORS, UH, ADJACENT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

WHAT'S ADDING TO THE REAR OF MR. NEWBIE'S PROPERTY.

AND BY THE WAY, WE, WE REALLY LIKE MR. NEWBIE, UH, BUT HE'S ADDING LIKE 30 FEET, MAYBE 40 FEET.

I DON'T SEE THE SURVEY ON THIS PARTICULAR PLAT ON HOW MUCH THEY'RE ADDING, BUT, UM, THIS WHOLE AREA IS ZONED TH TWO, AND MR. NEWBIE IS TRYING TO REZONE IT TO ONE ACRE LOT, UH, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF A RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WHOLE TH TWO ZONING.

UM, DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.

BUT, UH, ANYWAY, WHAT COULD HAPPEN, NOT BY NECESSARILY BY MR. NEWBIE, BUT BY SUBSEQUENT SUBSEQUENT OWNERS, IS THAT THE ONE ACRE ZONING COULD ALLOW ANY TYPE OF BUILDING, UH, BUILT BACK THERE ON THE PROPERTY, UH, TWO WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.

UH, WHICH THEY COULD PUT AN OUTBUILDING, THEY COULD PUT A REMODEL, THEY COULD EXTEND THEIR BUILDING BACK.

UM, NOT THAT THE CURRENT OWNER WOULD, WOULD DO THAT, BUT SUBSEQUENT OWNERS MAY DO WANT TO DO THAT.

UM, THAT'S WHY I'M OPPOSING THIS.

I JUST THINK THAT, UH, A RENDITION BACK THERE, WHETHER YOU DO FENCES OR WHETHER YOU DO, UH, A DETACHED BUILDING, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

'CAUSE WE ALL WANT THE VIEW OF THE POND BACK THERE THAT THEY MENTIONED.

WE ALL WANT THE VIEW OF THE GOLF COURSE.

UH, NOTHING SHOULD BE BLOCKED THAT WE PAID EXTRA TO BE ON THE GOLF COURSE FOR OUR LOTS.

AND IT'S, UM, NOT FAIR TO BLOCK OUR VIEWS IN ANY MANNER.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M OPPOSING THIS AND, UH, REALLY, UH, FEEL LIKE IT WOULD HURT THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS TO GRANT THIS, THIS ONE ACRES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A TH TWO ZONING, UH, SUBDIVISION, WHICH ALL THE OTHER A, UH, HOMEOWNERS HAVE COMPLIED.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND, UH, I'M OPPOSED.

J CRESWELL, 17 4 0 9 CLUB HEALTH COURT, AND I'M ON, I GUESS LOT 15, I BELIEVE, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

COULD YOU PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? I'M SORRY.

UH, ROBERT

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UH, ONE OF YOU TWO GENTLEMEN, WHICHEVER ONE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOUR REBUTTAL TYPE.

UH, YES SIR.

WE'RE NOT, NOT TRYING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY AT ALL.

IN FACT, THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADD A 40 FOOT DEEP ADDITION TO THE EXISTING 0.17 ACRE LOT, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THE PLACEMENT OF A, UH, AN IN-GROUND SWIM POOL.

PLEASE STAND BY.

THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER RUBIN, PLEASE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR OUR SPEAKER IN SUPPORT? QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF RUBEN? YEAH, I GUESS THIS IS FOR MR. MOORE.

UM, YOU KNOW, OUR HANDS ARE SORT OF TIED ON, ON PLATS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DISCRETION.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IN MY TIME WHEN I'VE SEEN A CASE OF A PLAT WHERE THE ISSUE WAS CAUSED BY A PROPERTY OVERLAPPING TWO ZONING DISTRICTS.

YOU KNOW, CAN YOU, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCRETION TO ALLOW THIS OR BECAUSE PART OF THIS IS OUR ONE ACRE OR OUR TO COMPLY WITH THIS ENTIRE LOT NEED TO BE AT LEAST AN ACRE IN ORDER TO DO THE RE PLAT.

YOU ARE CORRECT.

VICE CHAIR RUBIN PLATZER MINISTERIAL.

SO IF IT COMPLIES WITH ARTICLE EIGHT STATE LAW, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT.

AS FOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT IT, THE, THE PROPERTY BEING IN TWO ZONING DISTRICTS, IT RARELY HAPPENS, BUT IT HAS HAPPENED ON OCCASION.

IS THE QUESTION WHETHER WHAT THE MINIMUM LOT REQUIREMENT WOULD BE OR IS.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU KIND OF HELP ME OUT? YEAH, SO, SO YOU KNOW, WITH THE REPL IT'S GOING TO BE RE PLATTERED INTO ONE LOT OF VERY OBVIOUSLY LESS THAN ONE ACRE BECAUSE PART OF THE PROPERTY IS IN OUR ONE ACRE.

WOULD THE LOT THAT'S REPLAY PLATTED HAVE TO BE AT LEAST AN ACRE IN SIZE IN ORDER FOR US TO APPROVE THIS? YES, IT WOULD.

THAT'S THE, THE R ONE ACRE RE THE MINIMUM LOT REQUIREMENT.

SO YOU DON'T WHEN WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE OVERLAPPING, YOU DON'T DEFAULT TO THE LOWER ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS THE SMALLER LOT SIZE.

YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE YEAH.

YES, YOU'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE R ONE ACRE IN THIS CASE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF COMMISSIONERS? CNA? COMMISSIONER HAWK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF CASE, UH, S 2 34 0 9 9, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOWING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL BECAUSE THE PROPOSED LOT DOES NOT CONFORM WITH THE WIDTH OF AN AREA TO THE LOT PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE ADJACENT AREAS AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 51 A 8.503 OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK FOR MOTION.

I SECOND.

YEAH, AND, UH, VICE RUBEN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, VICE RUBIN.

YEAH, UM, YOU KNOW, PLATTING IS A VERY STRANGE, UM, SORT OF DEAL WHERE OUR HANDS ARE, ARE TIED AND THE RESULTS THAT, THAT WE REACH DON'T ALWAYS SORT OF MAKE REAL WORLD SENSE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THE DISCRETION HERE, I BELIEVE TO, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THIS EVEN IF I THOUGHT IT WAS REASONABLE AND I'M NOT EVEN GONNA WEIGH IN ON THAT.

UM, WE UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE PART OF THIS IS ON OUR WOULD IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, SIR? IT WAS DONE BEFORE.

I DON'T, SIR.

I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE TIME FOR FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT THANK YOU.

AND I, I'M SORRY THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CITY ORDINANCES HERE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

20, UH, SIX RUBEN VICE YEAR RUBEN, ITEM 26 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 0 5 AND APPLICATION TO REPLY, A 0.566 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF LOTS THREE AND FOUR IN CITY BLOCK

ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT CASE

[26. 24-1632 An application to replat a 0.566-acre tract of land containing part of Lots 3 and 4 in City Block 1/8711 to create one lot on property located on Red Bird Lane, east of Kiwanis Road.]

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ONE OVER 8 7 1 1 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON REDBIRD LANE EAST OF KIWANIS ROAD.

EIGHT NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF PROPERTY ON APRIL 30TH, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY AND OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMEND AND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONCENT LISTED IN DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT SAYS ITEM NUMBER 26.

OH, QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. KAVANAUGH.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. KAVANAUGH? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES SIR.

PLEASE.

MR. KAVANAUGH.

MR. KAVANAUGH, ONE SECOND.

AS YOU KNOW, WITH PLOTS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO KIND OF RESEARCH THINGS BEFORE IT GETS TO THIS BODY, SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, THIS LAND USE ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE, WILL REMAIN RESIDENTIAL? YES.

I HAVE A MOTION WITH ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION THEN.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

HONOR, IN THE CASE OF S OF NUMBER S 2 34 DASH ZERO FIVE, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

ANY COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

I TAB 27 S 2 34 DASH 1 0 6 AN APPLICATION TO APPLY A 1.306 ACCO TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF CITY BLOCK 53 0 8 6 1 7 TO CREATE THREE LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 15,966 SQUARE FEET TO 23,546 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON SETON DRIVE EAST OF CRANFIELD DRIVE.

[27. 24-1633 An application to replat a 1.302-acre tract of land containing all of City Block 53/8617 to create three lots ranging in size from 15,966 square feet to 23,546 square feet on property located on Seaton Drive, east of Cranfill Drive. Applicant/Owner: Monica Cuevas]

22 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED YOUR REPLY IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 27 COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, YES.

COULD YOU TELL ME, I MEAN, IS IS, IS THE PROPOSAL HERE TO, UH, JUST CREATE A LARGER LOT SIZE FOR, UH, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBOR? UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OR WHAT WAS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HERE? UM, YEAH, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY LISTED ON THE APPLICATION.

I MEAN, RESIDENTIAL.

DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED, COMMISSIONER? WELL, I JUST LOOKING AT THE PLA YOU KNOW, MAP AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE PLATING RULE IS THAT, IS THAT IT HAS TO BE THE SAME LOT, YOU KNOW, SHAPE AND WIDTH AND, AND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I WAS JUST KIND OF HOPING THAT YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS FITS WITHIN THE RE REPL GUIDELINES FOR APPROVAL.

UM, JUST GIMME A SECOND.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NORTH LINE OF SEASON DRIVE, WE HAVE SEEN, UH, SEVERAL LOT PATTERN AND EVEN SOUTH LINE OF SEASON DRIVE.

UH, THERE IS SEVERAL, A LARGER LOT PATTERN WHERE LOT WIDTHS RANGE FROM 71 TO 1 69 FEET AND LOT AREAS ARE RANGING FROM ONE THOU 14,000, 1 51 SQUARE FEET TO 26,887 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH LINE OF SEA AND DRIVE ALSO LOT WIDTHS RANGES SIZE FROM 80 50 TO 102 AND THE LOT AREA IS RANGING FROM 24,452 27,407.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IT HAS A VARIOUS IN LOT PATTERN, THAT'S HOW IT MADE 51 E DASH 8.503 PER

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LOT PATTERN.

YOU SAY THAT THERE IS A LOT PATTERN? YES, SIR.

AND IF I CAN JUST ADD MR. CHAIR, THE WAY 8.503 FUNCTIONS IS THAT IF THERE'S AN ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN, THE REPLANT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THAT ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN.

IF THERE IS NO ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN, THERE'S NO ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN TO COMPLY WITH.

WERE WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THAT COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? WELL, I DO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS, IT SAYS HERE THE STAFF FINDS THAT THERE IS A VARIATION IN THE LOT PATTERN, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT, AND, AND, AND SHE INDICATED THAT THERE WERE TWO, UH, FOLKS THAT WERE AGAINST THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY NO ONE'S HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST IT.

SO, UH, , I, I, I, I REALLY, UM, I, I GUESS YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, UH, S 2 3 4 1 0 6 CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORAY FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE TO RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

ANY COMMENTS? C NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ITEM 28 S 2 34 DASH 1 0 7 AND APPLICATION TO REPLY, A 0.992 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 71 IN CITY BLOCK 6 7 84 TO CREATE FOUR LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 9,109 SQUARE FEET TO 15,857 SQUARE FEET ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON CYPRESS AVENUE NORTH OF S ROAD.

ANY THE OPPOSED AYE HAVE IT.

[28. 24-1634 An application to replat a 0.992-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 71 in City Block 6784 to create four lots ranging in size from 9,109 square feet to 15,857 square feet on property located on Cypress Avenue, north of Scyene Road.]

33 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET AFTER PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED GENERAL REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT SAYS ITEM NUMBER 28 COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GEORGE IS COMMISSIONER WHEELER ALL NIGHT.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN, PLEASE.

YEAH, IN THE MATTER OF S 2 34 DASH 1 0 7, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES NUMBER

[29. 24-1635 An application to replat 8.265-acre tract of land containing part of Lots 1 and 2 and a tract of land in City Block 7568 to create 74-residential lots ranging in size from 2,002 square feet to 3,276 square feet and 11 common areas on property located on Polk Street, north of Kirnwood Drive.]

29, ITEM 29 S 2 34 DASH 12 AN APPLICATION TO RELA 8.265 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTINUING PART OF LOTS ONE AND TO AND A TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK 7 5 68 TO CREATE 74 RESIDENTIAL LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 2002 SQUARE FEET TO 3,276 SQUARE FEET AND 11 COMMON AREAS ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON PAUL STREET NORTH OF CORN WOOD DRIVE.

33 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY, YEAH, FEBRUARY 20TH, 2024.

IT SHOULD BE APRIL 24.

I'M SORRY.

WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLY IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

TOP OF THE, UH, THE AGENDA BACK TO PAGE NUMBER ONE, DEVELOPMENT

IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GEORGE IS COMMISSIONER BLAIR ON LINE? NICE CHAIR.

RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? YES.

IN THE MATTER OF S 2 34 DASH 12, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO FILE STAFFS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT GO TO THE

[Development Plans - Consent]

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PLANS, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTENT OF CASES TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

UH, THOSE WILL ALL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION AS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS. TWO, THREE OR FOUR.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON NUMBERS? TWO, THREE OR FOUR? OKAY.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

GOOD.

ITEM NUMBER TWO.

ITEM NUMBER 2D 2 23 DASH 0 1 0 APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT S DASH ONE A SOFT ZONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 21 ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEST COUNT WISDOM ROAD AND MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY SOUTH.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER 3D 2 23 DASH ZERO ONE APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON A PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8, 8 9 AND PARTLY WITHIN SUBDISTRICT E DASH TWO OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 3 0 5, SORRY, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH CARROLL AVENUE AND NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, A APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON A PROPERTY ZONE SUB-DISTRICT TWO E WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 0 5 ON THE, ON THE EAST LINE OF NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY BETWEEN NORTH CAROL AVENUE AND NORTH HASCO AVENUE STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE THREE ITEMS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? AND THE CASES OF I WAS NOT PREPARED, SORRY.

UM, AND THE CONSENT, I'M SORRY.

OKAY, IN THE ZONING CASES IN THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, 2, 4, 1, 6, 0, I'M SORRY, D 2, 2, 3, 0, 1, 0 D, 2, 2, 3, 0, 1, 1 AND D 2, 2, 3, 0, 1 2.

YES SIR.

I APPROVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? C, NN.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

TO THE ZONING CC CASES BEGIN WITH THE, UH, ZONING CASES ON CONSENT, CONSISTENT OF CASES, UH, FIVE THROUGH NINE, EIGHT AND NINE HAVE COME OFF CONSENT AND WILL BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW MOVING ON

[Zoning Cases - Consent]

THAT LEAVES CASES FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN THAT WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE THREE CASES.

FIVE, SIX, OR SEVEN.

ANYONE WANT TO BE HEARD ON CASES FIVE THROUGH SEVEN? OKAY, MR. OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON.

ITEM FIVE IS Z 2 2 3 1 66 SENT APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 4 1 8 FOR BED AND BREAKFAST USE ON PROPERTY ZONED SUB AREA THREE WITHIN PLAINTIFF ELEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 2 WITH H SEVEN TWO PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD.

HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF GASTON AVENUE SOUTHWEST OF SOUTHWEST OF NORTH FIT U AVENUE.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR MATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR TIME PERIODS SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED HIGH PLAN OF CONDITIONS.

ITEM SIX IS Z 2 23 2 92.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONE MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT IN U THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT IN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT.

GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHEAST OF HARRY HINES BOULEVARD, SOUTHEAST OF MOCKINGBIRD LANE AND ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST LINE OF FOREST PARK ROAD TWO.

A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE ON PROPERTY ZONE AND MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT ON FOREST PARK ROAD, SOUTHEAST ET ROAD WAY STREET AND THREE SOUTH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE ON PROPERTY ZONE AND MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT AND AN MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON HARRY HINES BOULEVARD, SOUTHEAST OF MOCKINGBIRD LANE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ONE APPROVAL OF

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A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FROM MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT USE IS SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLANNING CONDITIONS.

TWO.

APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

AND THREE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PEDESTRIAN SKYBRIDGE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

AND ITEM SEVEN IS Z 2 34 54.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A, AN MF ONE, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AND R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WEST ILLINOIS AVENUE AND KNOXVILLE STREET STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ANY OF THESE THREE ITEMS? C ON COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES FOR THE ZONING CASE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FIVE THROUGH SEVEN.

I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AS READ INTO THE RECORD.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

GO TO CASE NUMBER

[8. 24-1607 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a cemetery on property zoned an IR Industrial Research District on the south line of South Sherman Street, east of T I Boulevard.]

EIGHT.

THIS IS ITEM MA CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 68.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CEMETERY ON PROPERTY ZONED IN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SOUTH SHERMAN STREET EAST OF TI BOULEVARD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD.

YES SIR.

COME ON BACK.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN SUPPORT OR I WOULD LIKE OR IN OPPOSITION? WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON.

PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YES, MY NAME IS IL INE.

I RESIDE AT 2015 .

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENT, SIR.

I AM ONE OF THE BENEFICIARIES OF THE TRUST THAT OWNS THE LAND FOR WHICH THE REZONING HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR.

I WAS NOT MADE AWARE THAT THIS LAND IS BEING SOLD OR THAT ANY REZONING APPROVAL WAS BEING REQUESTED.

I'M THEREFORE NOT OPPOSING THE REZONING APPLICATION REQUEST TODAY.

I'M HERE TO ASK THE COMMITTEE TO PLEASE CONSIDER DEFERRING YOUR DECISION ON THIS MATTER TO ALLOW ME SOME TIME TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THE TRANSACTION THAT HAVE BEING UNDERTAKEN, BUT THE TRUSTEE HAS NOT MADE US AWARE OF ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT HAS GONE ON.

DOES THAT CONCLUDES YOUR COMMENTS, SIR? YES.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OF OUR OTHER SPEAKERS ONLINE? JORDAN? UH, SAMAR FAT THAT OKAY.

SA THANK YOU.

HOW ABOUT, UM, MS. AYERS? NO, NOT ALL LOT.

SORRY SIR.

SO JUST ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS IS ALL ONLINE.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

QUESTIONS FOR, UH, SPEAKER AND OPPOSITION.

UH, MR. BATE, UH, JUST TO REVIEW OUR, OUR BRIEFING FROM THIS MORNING, WE HAVE, UH, AUTHORIZATION FROM THE TRUSTEE, UH, AND WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THAT AUTHORIZATION IS SATISFIES THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS OF, OF THIS CASE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PROPERTY REPRESENTATIVE WHO MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AND, AND, AND OF THIS APPLICATION, THEREFORE WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON IT.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER.

LANGUAGE IN THIS SUP ABOUT OPERATING HOURS BECAUSE IT'S COVERED ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE.

AND THEN, UH, MR. BAT, ANOTHER ITEM YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED OFFLINE.

UM, YOU HAVE INFORMED ME THAT CHAPTER 11 OF OUR CODE STATES OPERATING HOURS FOR CEMETERIES SPECIFICALLY, AND SO THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO HAVE

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THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UM, MR. BATES, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT I WANT TO BE SURE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO THE DART LINE, UM, ENGINEERING HAS, UH, LOOKED AT RUNOFF AND WHO'S WITH GRAVEYARD RUNOFF WATERWAYS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

SO THAT'S ALL WILL BE LOOKED AT BY ENGINEERING AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO PERMITTING? CORRECT.

THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY ENGINEERING AT PERMITTING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER HOUSER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES I DO.

AND I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF, OF ADDITIONS, UH, UH, TO THE, UH, A MOTION THAT I'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT.

SO IN, UH, THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 68, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS, UM, ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING TWO ADDITIONS TO THE, UM, SUP LANGUAGE.

UH, NUMBER ONE, THAT, UM, THE SITE PLAN INCLUDE A SIX FOOT TALL OPEN FENCE WITH GATE TO SECURE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, AND TWO, THAT THE INTERNAL DRIVE BE WIDENED FROM 30 FEET TO 36 FEET TO PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, PARKING, ADDITIONAL PARALLEL PARKING, UH, WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE, THE TWO, UH, ADJUSTMENTS MADE BY COMMISSIONER HOUSER IN TERMS OF THE SIX, THE DEFENSE, THE GATE, AND THE INTERNAL DRIVE.

ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOUSER? UM, YES, THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR.

UM, I'M, I'M, UH, PLEASED TO SUPPORT THIS CASE.

I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE FOR A, A REALLY UNUSUAL TRACT OF LAND.

UM, AND, UM, UH, NOT ONLY FOR THOSE REASONS, BUT FOR THE REASONS THAT IT PROVIDES, UH, IMPORTANT SUPPORT TO THE, THE, UH, COMMUNITY IN, IN THAT SECTION OF OUR CITY.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

NINE, AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE.

NUMBER NINE.

ITEM NUMBER

[9. 24-1608 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2453 for supportive housing on property zoned Subdistrict 3C within Planned Development District No. 714, the West Commerce Street/Fort Worth Avenue Special Purpose District, on the south line of Fort Worth Avenue, south of Interstate 30.]

PERMIT NUMBER 24 53 FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING ON PROPERTIES ZONE THREE C WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN 14, THE WEST COMMERCE STREET.

FOURTH, FOURTH AVENUE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF FORT WORTH AVENUE, SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 30.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.

AND THE CASE NUMBER IS Z 2 3 4 180 5.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, PLEASE COME ON DOWN.

LET, LET'S START WITH OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT, PLEASE, IF ANY, ANYONE HERE IN SUPPORT? YES, PLEASE, MA'AM.

THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE FOR YOUR, THE MIC.

OH, IT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WASN'T, IT? WASN'T GREEN ENOUGH FOR ME.

OKAY, HERE I GO.

UH, MY NAME IS ALICE ELLO.

I LIVE AT 2 2 4 3 LAWNDALE DRIVE IN DALLAS, ABOUT A HALF A MILE FROM 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.

I HAVE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR 36 YEARS.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE WELL COMMUNITY.

FOR OVER 20 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN SERVING ADULTS WHO HAVE SEVERE AND PERSISTENT MENTAL ILLNESSES.

HALF OF THOSE WE SERVE ARE LIVING UNSHELTERED AS WELL.

I HAVE SERVED ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE FOR THE MIRAMAR PROJECT.

ACCORDING TO THE 2024 POINT IN TIME COUNT, THERE WERE 33,817 PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESS ON A SINGLE NIGHT EARLIER THIS YEAR IN DALLAS AND COLIN COUNTIES.

WAYNE WALKER, CEO OF OUR CALLING WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE MANY MORE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREET.

THE MIRAMAR HOTEL WAS PURCHASED BY THE CITY IN 2020 TO BE A SMALL, UM, SMALL SOLUTION TO A BIG PROBLEM IN DALLAS TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO PLACE TO

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LIVE.

DISTRICT ONE IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER SINGLE DIS CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT IN DALLAS.

PEOPLE ARE LIVING UNSHELTERED IN EVERY SINGLE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOLUTIONS IN EVERY SINGLE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT.

HOMELESSNESS IS NOT GOING AWAY UNLESS THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.

IT'S REALLY AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

THE PERMANENT SUPPORTING HOUSING PROJECT AT 1950 IS A PLACE FOR THOSE WHO ARE HOMELESS TO HAVE A SAFE AND SECURE PLACE TO LIVE.

PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS A PROVEN SOLUTION TO HOMELESSNESS FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE, CHRONICALLY HOMELESS PEOPLE.

IT PAIRS HOUSING WITH CASE MANAGEMENT AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.

THE SERVICES ARE DESIGNED TO BUILD INDEPENDENT LIVING OCCUPANCY SKILLS AND CONNECT PEOPLE WITH COMMUNITY-BASED HEALTHCARE TREATMENT AS WELL AS SERVICES SUCH AS EMPLOYMENT, LOCAL EXPERIENCE, AND NATIONAL RESEARCH SHOWS THAT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO HELP THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WHO ARE UNSHELTERED FIND HOUSING STABILITY.

THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE A HOMELESS MAGNET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE PROCESS FOR SOMEONE TO BE ACCEPTED INTO THE HOUSING AND INTO THE PROGRAM WILL BE A COLLECTIVE EFFORT BY THE MAJOR PROVIDERS OF HOMELESS SERVICES, SUCH AS AUSTIN SIX CENTER, THE STEW POT, THE BRIDGE AMONG OTHERS WHO WILL IDENTIFY THOSE WHO ARE A GOOD FIT.

WE'LL VET THEM AND WE'LL REFER THEM TO THE, TO, UH, 1950.

NO ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO WALK UP, KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND ASK TO BE ADMITTED INTO, UH, THE HOUSING.

IT WILL ALL BE BY REFERRAL.

YOUR TIME IS UP, MA'AM.

IS I'M FINISHED? YES, MA'AM.

PLEASE SUPPORT THE PROJECT.

I'M MARY ALICE AYERS.

I LIVE AT 2018 MAYFLOWER DRIVE IN, UM, BEEN A RESIDENT OF STEVENS PARK ESTATES FOR 32 YEARS.

UM, I'M A FORMER STAFF INTERIOR DESIGNER AT THE DALLAS VA MEDICAL CENTER AND HAVE 15 YEARS EXPERIENCE DESIGNING FOR AND WORKING WITH VETERANS, SOME OF WHOM ARE HOMELESS.

UH, WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY OF, UH, I'M ALSO HERE WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS VETERANS AFFAIRS COMMISSION, WHO SOME OF THEIR VETERANS MAY VERY WELL LIVE AT THIS FACILITY.

1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.

THE FORMER HOTEL MIRAMAR WILL OFFER PERMANENT HOUSING FOR A COMMUNITY TO A GROUP OF 40, POSSIBLY 70 ON AN ANNUAL LEASE BASIS.

AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE THE COMMUNITY REQUIREMENTS, EACH RESIDENT WILL HAVE THE ASSISTANCE OF OTHER AGENCIES TO PREP, TO PREPARE THEM FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING, AND THOSE AGENCIES WILL RECOMMEND THEM TO 1950.

THEY WON'T JUST BE, AS YOU SAID, JUST PEOPLE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR.

19 STAFF WON'T BE OBLIGATED TO ACCEPT EVERY RECOMMENDATION.

THEY'LL REVIEW EACH CASE AND DECIDE WHO WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY BEFORE ACCEPTING NEW RESIDENTS LIKE OUR COMMUNITY, 1950 WILL BE A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE OF VARYING AGE, ABILITIES, AND LIFE EXPERIENCE.

PEOPLE WHO, FOR VARIETY OF VARIETY OF REASONS HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES WITHOUT A HOME TO CALL THEIR OWN.

AND LIKE US, RESIDENTS OF 1950 COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE PRIDE OF PLACE AND AN INVALUABLE PEACE OF MIND OF BEING HOME AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO MEET THE COMMUNITY'S REQUIREMENTS.

NOT FOR ONE DAY OR ONE MONTH OR ONE YEAR, BUT FOR AS LONG AS THEY NEED A HOME.

SOMETHING THAT I, AND THOSE I REPRESENT, BELIEVE EVERY PERSON DESERVES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SUP WILL EXPIRE ONE YEAR FROM NOW.

I ASK YOU TO PLEASE EXTEND IT FOR FIVE YEARS TO ALLOW ALL INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, ADEQUATE TIME TO PLAN AND TO CONSTRUCT THE PROJECT IN A WAY THAT WILL SUIT THE RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS TOO.

HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE INCREASING IN OUR AREA.

HI, MY NAME IS RENATA WELLS.

I LIVE AT 2111 BARBERRY DRIVE, ABOUT A THIRD OF A MILE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY IN 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.

I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 15 YEARS AND I HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN AND I'M HERE TO FULLY SUPPORT THE RENEWAL OF THIS SUP.

UH, THE MIRAMAR USED TO BE HOUSE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE.

WE GOT RID OF IT AND THOSE PEOPLE, SOME OF THEM BECAME HOMELESS.

DOWN THE STREET IS CLIFF MANOR.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY NO LONGER RENEWING LEASES, AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOW BECOMING HOMELESS, HOMELESSNESS PEOPLE.

UH,

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VOTE CLIFF INSTEAD OF, UM, COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

I'M HERE TO SUPPORT A SOLUTION AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY VIABLE SOLUTION ABOUT THE SUP.

HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS.

WORKED HARD FOR THE FORT WORTH AVENUE.

NOT GONNA DENY THAT, BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM.

WHEN A DEVELOPER SHOWS UP WITH A LUXURY GROCERY, WE'RE ALL ABOUT THROWING EVERYTHING OUT, SAYING IT'S DATED, IT'S OLD, AND WE CONCEDE TO THE DEVELOPER WITHOUT ANY CONCESSIONS FROM THEM.

WE GAVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANTED.

I THINK RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS, AS YOU GUYS ALREADY POINTED OUT, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE HOMELESS.

I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN AFFORD TO BE DECENT HUMAN BEINGS HERE AND PROVIDE HOUSING FOR SOME FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AND PLEASE CONSIDER SUPPORTING THIS.

HI, I'M CAROL SUMMERS CLARK.

I LIVE AT, UM, I WROTE IT DOWN SO I'D REMEMBER 1131 NORTH PLYMOUTH ROAD IN DALLAS.

I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE RENEWAL OF THE SPEC SPECIFIED OR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE CLOSEST TO THE SITE, RECOMMENDED FOR A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE, OF THE S WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWALS THAT WILL REFLECT THE GOALS OBJECTIVES FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE ACTIVELY WORKED TO MA TO MAKE THE OLD MIRAMAR SITE A SAFE RESIDENTIAL SETTING FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR OWN HOUSING.

THE DELAY AND DIFFICULTY IN SECURING THE RIGHT PROVIDER FOR THIS PROJECT SHOULD NOT DERAIL OUR FOUR YEARS OF LISTENING AND PLANNING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.

THANK YOU FOR APPROVING THIS AMENDMENT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS CHARLIE O'CONNELL AND FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, I HAVE RESIDED IN KIDS SPRINGS AT 6 34 KESSLER RESERVE COURT, A LITTLE OVER A MILE FROM THE 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE PROJECT SITE.

I WISH TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE ZONING REQUEST YOU HAD BEFORE YOU.

I AM A RETIREE WHO HAS DEVOTED CONSIDERABLE VOLUNTEER TIME TO HELPING COMMUNITIES CREATE COORDINATED HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEMS. BEFORE MOVING TO DALLAS, I ENGAGED IN THIS WORK IN HOUSTON WHERE A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN HOMELESSNESS HAS BEEN ACHIEVED.

AND MORE RECENTLY HERE IN DALLAS, WHERE THE CITY COUNTY HOUSING FORWARD AND THE PHILANTHROPIC COMMUNITY HAVE ALL COME TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE SIMILAR RESULTS.

HOUSTON'S HOMELESS REDUCTION OF OVER 65% WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING COMMUNITIES, SUCH AS THE ONE PLANNED FOR 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE, WHERE THE MOST VULNERABLE UNHOUSED AMONG US WILL RECEIVE PERMANENT RENTAL SUBSIDIES, PERMANENT ACCESS TO SUPPORTIVE SERVICES DELIVERED BY A PSH PROJECT OPERATOR WHO SPECIALIZES IN THIS WORK AND WILL BE ON SITE 24 7.

WHILE HOUSTON BENEFITS FROM ADEQUATE NUMBERS OF PERMANENCE SUPPORT OF HOUSING UNITS, DALLAS HAS VERY FEW.

AND IF THIS NEED IS LEFT UNADDRESSED, TOO MANY OF OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS WILL REMAIN IN SHELTERS AND ON THE STREETS.

TO ITS CREDIT, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS LEADING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEEDED PSH UNITS.

I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE PROJECT SINCE THE SITE WAS ACQUIRED IN, UH, BY THE CITY IN 2020.

WHILE IT'S STRUGGLED AT TIMES, THE PROJECT IS NOW WELL PLANNED, WELL, AND POSITIONED FOR SUCCESS.

IF THIS LAST ZONING HURDLE CAN BE CROSSED TO OTHER NEARBY RESIDENTS OF THE PROJECT SITE, PLEASE KNOW THAT ANY OPERATOR SELECTED BY THE CITY'S RIGOROUS NOFA PROCESS WILL BE WELL QUALIFIED AND HIGHLY MOTIVATED TO NOT ONLY PROVIDE HALL HIGH QUALITY RESIDENT CARE, BUT TO ALSO DEVELOP A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH ITS NEIGHBORS AND RESPOND QUICKLY TO ALL OF OUR CONCERNS.

HOWEVER, THE SELECTED PSH OPERATOR MUST BE GIVEN SUFFICIENT TIME TO ESTABLISH ITS PERFORMANCE TRACK RECORD AND CREATE NEIGHBORHOOD RELATIONSHIPS AND TRUST BEFORE THE SUP EXPIRATION.

GIVEN THE SEVERAL YEARS IT WILL TAKE TO REDEVELOP AND ATTRACT TENANTS TO THE PROJECT, ANYTHING LESS THAN A FIVE YEAR SUP AUTOMATIC RENEWAL IMPOSES EXCESSIVE RISK TO AN OPERATOR AND WILL CREATE RELUCTANCE ON THE PART OF DEBT AND GRANT PROVIDERS TO FUND THIS PROJECT.

THEREFORE, FOR ALL OF THE ABOVE REASONS,

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PLEASE VOTE TO APPROVE THE SUP RENEWAL BEFORE YOU.

REQUESTED.

THANK YOU THERE.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? YES, MA'AM.

UH, MY APOLOGIES.

GEORGE, ARE ANY OF THE SPEAKERS ONLINE? NO.

MY NAME IS PATRICIA MELLY.

I LIVE AT 9 5 7 KESSLER PARKWAY IN DALLAS.

I AM, UH, READING THIS FORT WORTH AVENUE DEVELOPMENT GROUP POSITION STATEMENT SINCE KATH CATHERINE HOLMAN WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND.

ALTHOUGH WE ARE IMPATIENT FOR THE 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE PROPERTY TO GET UP AND RUNNING.

THE FORT WORTH AVENUE DEVELOPMENT GROUP IS OPPOSED TO THIS SUP RENEWAL DUE TO THE HIGH DENSITY WHICH WAS NOT SPECIFIED IN THE SUP APPLICATION.

IT WAS INITIALLY SUPPOSED TO BE 40, 40 TO 43 UNITS, AND NOW IT IS 68 TO 70 UNITS, WHICH IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR THIS PROPERTY.

UM, THEIR MAIN REASON WAS THAT IT WAS NOT BEEN AGREED TO BY THE IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WHO ORIGINALLY CONSENTED TO A 40 TO 43 UNIT CONVERSION FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR ELDERLY AND DISABLED RESIDENTS.

ALSO, THIS WAS NOT SPECIFIED IN THE SUP APPLICATION.

IT WILL ALSO ADD AN UNDUE BURDEN ON THE FORT WORTH AVENUE CORRIDOR FOR ITS SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THE COOMBS CREEK TRAIL AND THE STEVENS PARK GOLF COURSE WITH UNACCEPTABLE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SAFETY HAZARDS.

IF THE HIGHER DENSITY IS NOT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED, IT VIOLATES THE FUNDAMENTAL SPIRIT BEHIND THE FORT WORTH AVENUE, TIFF AND PD ESTABLISHED TO CREATE VIBRANT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT STRENGTHENS EXISTING AND ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT AS WRITTEN.

THIS SUP GRANTS UNLIMITED LATITUDE, NOT ONLY FOR HOW MANY WILL BE HOUSED AT 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE, BUT WHETHER ITS RESIDENTS WILL BE PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY.

THESE ARE DETAILS ABOUT WHICH THE FORT WORTH AVENUE DEVELOPMENT GROUP GROUP NEEDS ASSURANCES IN WRITING BECAUSE THEY NEED TO DEPEND ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY APPROVED.

AND SINCE THEY HAVE A HISTORY WITH THE OFFICE OF HOUSING SOLUTIONS, THE FAVOR OF YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THE ABOVE REGARD IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

CATHERINE HOLMAN, PRESIDENT FORT WORTH AVENUE DEVELOPMENT GROUP.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OUR RULES, UH, ALLOW THE APPLICANT A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.

ANYONE LIKE TO TAKE IT PLEASE? WELL, SOMEONE IN SUPPORT.

WELL, WHY NOT? AS AN INTERIOR DESIGNER, UM, AT THE VA HOSPITAL, I WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN CONSTRUCTION AND I KNOW THAT, UH, FROM EXPERIENCE, JUST GOING TO A BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN IN USE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND NEVER BEEN REMODELED, NO ONE CAN TELL EXACTLY HOW THAT SPACE WILL BE USED UNTIL SOME, UM, DEMOLITION HAS BEEN DONE.

AND, UH, UN UNMUTE, UNUSED AND POORLY CONSTRUCTED THINGS HAVE BEEN REMOVED TO SEE WHAT'S LEFT OF THE SPACE.

AND I THINK THAT IF MORE PEOPLE COULD HAVE A HOME THAT I WOULD PREFER THAT THAN JUST LEAVING EMPTY SPACE THERE AND NOT HAVING ANYONE LIVE THERE.

I PREFER TO HAVE MORE AND I THINK THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD PREFER THAT TOO.

COMMISSIONER SCHLOCK, PLEASE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO.

UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 180 5, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AND A SITE PLAN WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE.

THE SUP EXPIRES IN FIVE YEARS WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.

I HAVE SOME COMMENTS AS WELL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAUSER FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

UH, YES, I WOULD JUST,

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UM, LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT TODAY AND SPOKE FOR AND AGAINST.

I KNOW WE, WE ALSO RECEIVED SOME, UH, OPPOSITION, UM, AND ADDITIONAL SUPPORT VIA EMAIL.

UM, A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION, UH, BROUGHT UP, UH, BROUGHT UP, UM, TALKING POINTS THAT WERE OUT OF OUR PURVIEW FOR THIS SUP.

THEY, UM, ALSO BROUGHT UP SOME THINGS THAT WERE, WERE ACTUALLY RELEVANT TO WHAT WE WERE DOING TODAY, AND THAT WAS WHY I DEVIATED FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO NOT, UM, GO WITH AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

I THINK, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS WHEN THE, WHEN WE HAVE MAYBE AT LEAST TWO YEARS OF OPERATING HISTORY FROM WHOEVER THE OPERATOR ENDS UP BEING.

I THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LONG HISTORY.

THIS, THIS BODY.

MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS, UH, ON THIS COMMISSION NOW HAVE ACTUALLY SAW THIS ONE.

IT WENT THROUGH THE FIRST TIME.

UM, AND SO THERE'S A LONG HISTORY HERE.

I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THAT.

UH, BUT I THINK REALLY WHAT, WHAT THE THIS PROJECT NEEDS RIGHT NOW IS, IS SUPPORT TO GET AN OPERATOR IN THERE.

THE OP THE, THE CURRENT BUILDING IS DOWN TO ITS STUD.

SO IT STILL HAS QUITE A WAYS TO GO BEFORE IT STARTS, UM, GETTING FILLED UP.

THEY'VE STILL GOTTA GO THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, PERMITTING PROCESS AND THEN CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN THE PROCESS OF GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE BUILDING.

AND THAT OR, UM, THE INTENT WITH A FIVE YEAR SUP IS TO ALLOW FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS OF OPERATING HISTORY.

AND AT THAT TIME, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET INVOLVED IN, IN, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AT LEAST TO RE-LOOK AT THIS TO SEE IF IT'S, UM, CAUSING ANY ISSUES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I HOPE THE FILED PLAN COMMISSIONERS CAN SUPPORT THIS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEAH, THANK YOU, UM, FOR TAKING THIS EFFORT.

THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

UM, WE'VE BEEN ASKED, UM, IN EVERY DISTRICT TO TAKE ON, UM, SITES LIKE THESE.

DISTRICT THREE HAS ONE, MAYBE MORE THAN ONE.

UM, AND THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

BUT, UH, WHAT WE DO HERE, WHAT THE CITY DOES WITH THESE SITES MATTER IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK MORE DISTRICTS TO DO IT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE SUP RULE.

UM, IN THERE.

I SUPPORT THE MOTION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.

I SUPPORT THE MOTION AND, AND, AND FOR ALL THE RE ALL THE, UM, THE APPLICANT SPOKE TO THAT THE, THE REFERRALS, MOST OF THOSE REFERRALS ARE COMING OUT OF DISTRICT SEVEN AND DISTRICT TWO, WHERE THE, THE, THE MAJORITY OF HOMELESS SOLUTION IS HANDLED ON ONE SIDE IS, IS, UM, IS SOUTH DALLAS, ONE SIDE IS DOWNTOWN AND WE GET THE BULK OF, OF ANY HOMELESS ISSUES AND WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S SENT OUT INTO WHEN HOMELESS IS IN OTHER AREAS, THERE IS ALWAYS SOME KIND OF WAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE SOLUTION TO HAPPEN IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY DON'T MIND COMING TO DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT SEVEN, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN AND AGAIN IN SOUTH DALLAS TO SERVE THOSE PEOPLE BUT DON'T WANT THAT IN THEIR BACKYARD.

AND, AND, AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE FREEWAY, THE 1 75 45 AND I MEAN 75, 45 AND 30 BEING RECONSTRUCTED, THE HOMELESS HAS SPREADED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY AND WHEREVER THEY ARE AT THAT, WE NEED TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.

PLANO IS MEETING THEIR NEEDS, BUT RIGHT IN THE CENTER, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

AND WHY NOT A, A PLACE THAT HAS A, UH, A, A BAD HISTORY? WE CHANGE IT INTO A GOOD HISTORY AND CREATE SOLUTIONS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS ORGANIZATION, UM, THAT IS CLIENT HAS THOUGHT OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK, WON'T BE SO HARMFUL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT BY BEING A REFERRAL ONLY THAT IT WILL BE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN LINE TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES.

'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT PROBABLY LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR EVEN WAS IN MORE OF THE AFFLUENT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SOMEWHERE FELL ON THEIR LUCK.

AND THIS WILL HELP THEM BECOME A STEPPING STONE SO THAT THEY CAN BE BACK ON THEIR OWN AND BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.

SO I DO SUPPORT THIS MOTION AND THE FIVE YEARS.

GIVE US TIME TO SEE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A, A GOOD USE THERE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 180 5, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE TO HAVE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN CONDITIONS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON ITEM NUMBER

NO HONOR, NO HONOR.

UH, LET THE RECORD

[10. 24-1609 An application for a Specific Use Permit for an auto service center and vehicle display, sales, and service on property zoned Subarea 2 within Planned Development District No. 366, the Buckner Boulevard Special Purpose District, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay on the west line of Conner Drive between Bruton Road and Stonehurst Street.]

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10.

MS. STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER AND, UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSE, I WILL CHECK.

ITEM 10 IS Z 2 2 3 1 16.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONED SUB AREA TWO WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 6 6, THE BUCK BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH THE D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF CONNOR DRIVE BETWEEN BRUTON ROAD AND HURST STREET STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, ITEM NUMBER 10, UH, Z 2 23 DASH 16.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE CHAIR SHOULD IT, I I DO HAVE A MOTION, A VERY BRIEF COMMENT IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 1 16.

I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DENYING THE APPLICATION WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER CHAIR.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

UH, THESE GENTLEMEN ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT EASEMENT, UH, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM AND SO I, I THINK THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.

AND THERE'S SOME COUPLE OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE OUT OF STATE.

SO, UH, I I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT ONCE THEY GET THE RN OUT, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO REAPPLY AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT THAT APPLICATION THEN, BUT I THINK IT MAY BE A WHILE.

ALL RIGHT, A MOTION AND SECOND ON ITEM NUMBER 10.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

ITEM NUMBER 11 IS Z 2 23 DASH 2 73 AND APPLICATION FOR THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2160 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.

AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS RETURNED.

[11. 24-1616 An application for the automatic renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 2160 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less on property within Subarea 7 of Planned Development District No. 366, the Buckner Boulevard Special Purpose District, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the northwest corner of South Buckner Boulevard and Scyene Road. Staff Recommendation: Denial of the automatic renewal for an additional three-year period and approval of the renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 2160 for a one-year period in lieu of the requested automatic renewal.1]

3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY WITHIN SUB AREA SEVEN OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 6 6, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD AND SAE ROAD.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE-YEAR PERIOD AND APPROVAL OF THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2160 FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD IN LIEU OF THE REQUESTED AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

MR. RUAK.

KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AS A STORE OWNER FOR CONVENIENCE STORE, YOU CAN'T JUST PUSH IT BACK INTO THE ENCLOSURE.

IT STILL IS AFTERNOON ON US.

UH, ANDREW REIG 2201 MAIN STREET, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1 HERE REPRESENTING, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT FOR THIS, UH, INTERESTING CASE.

WE DON'T SEE VERY MANY AUTO RENEWALS GET PUT INTO BEFORE YOU ALL, AND THAT'S NEVER OUR GOAL AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF AN APPLICANT TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN.

UM, AS IT WAS EXPLAINED IN THE BRIEFING, THERE WERE SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WHICH HAD CAUSED THIS TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY, WHICH I WILL BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR.

UM, THE MAIN ITEM OF THAT IS THERE WAS A FIRE AT THE STORE.

UH, AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THESE COMPLIANCE ITEMS, UM, THAT FIRE TOOK OUT THE ENTIRE INTERIOR OF THE STORE.

THE EXTERIOR IS STILL INTACT, SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY, I THINK I'VE HEARD THE TERM TO THE STUDS, UH, CURRENTLY.

SO IT'S NOT AN OPERATION, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, DUE TO A, UH, A FIRE THAT, YOU KNOW, CAUSED THEM TO STOP OPERATING AND THE EMPLOYEES AT THAT LOCATION TO STOP WORKING THERE.

UH, TEMPORARILY, UH, WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH, UM, STAFF AND THEY'VE DETAIL DETAILED THAT OUT IN THE, UH, CASE REPORT FOR SEVERAL ITEMS. ONE BEING LANDSCAPING.

WE HAD INITIALLY REPLANTED SHRUBS, UH, TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN LATER FOUND OUT THOSE SHRUBS WERE NOT, UH, LARGE ENOUGH, UH, FOR THE ARBORIST DEPARTMENT, SO HAVE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM, UH, PRIOR TO THE FIRE TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY THEY NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ITEM.

DUMPSTER SCREENING WAS TAKEN CARE OF.

THAT'S A FREQUENT ISSUE.

UM, NOT JUST AT CONVENIENCE STORES, BUT ACROSS THE CITY IS THE WASTE.

UM, UH, CONTRACTOR WASTE CONNECTIONS OR WHOEVER IT MAY BE, UM, LEAVES THE DUMPSTER OUT AND YOU

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SO THAT WAS, UH, FIXED AT THE TIME OF OUR COMMENTS.

THE C-STORE LICENSE.

WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT TO FINALIZE THAT.

UH, WE HAD BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, THOUGHT WE HAD IT APPROVED.

DIFFERENT INSPECTOR PLAYING PHONE TAG WITH THE CODE COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT.

THIS WAS ALL TRYING TO GET THIS FIXED AND FINALIZED BEFORE, UM, IT HAD TO COME TO YOU ALL TODAY.

UM, ADDITIONALLY WE HAD THE GAMING MACHINES ISSUE.

UH, I HAD TOLD THE OPERATOR TO GET RID OF THOSE.

I NEVER PERSONALLY SAW THEM ON SITE, BUT APPARENTLY, UH, THEY EXISTED AND I CONFIRMED THAT THEY WERE THERE AT ONE TIME, UH, FROM THE OPERATOR.

BUT THAT HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF MONTHS AGO.

UM, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE ISSUES.

THE LAST ITEM IN HERE WAS THE ADDITION PERMIT.

SO THIS SITE HAD, HAS BEEN IN ITS SAME CONFIGURATION SINCE 2005.

UM, AND IT HAD BEEN APPROVED FOR SEVERAL RENEWALS AND AUTO RENEWALS DATING BACK TO I BELIEVE 2015.

UM, STAFF HAD NOTED THAT THERE WAS NOT A SPECIFIC ADDITION PERMIT THAT WE COULD FIND IN POSSE THAT PERMITTED THAT ADDITION.

WE'VE HAD CO INSPECTIONS, CO APPROVALS SINCE THAT TIME.

UM, TALKED WITH THE SOUTHEAST DIVISION BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE AND IT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SUP.

UM, SO I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE WERE STILL, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW EXACTLY TO DETERMINE IT.

UM, AND THEN ABOUT AT THAT TIME FIRE HAPPENED AND, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO, UH, HELP EXPLAIN THE SITUATION FURTHER.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? QUESTIONS FOR MR. RUAG? QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 2 7 3, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OF THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF THE ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR PERIOD AND APPROVAL OF THE RENEWAL OF THE SUP, UH, FOR A ONE YEAR PERIOD IN LIEU OF THE REQUESTED HONOR NULL.

GREAT.

UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSION? SAY NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY.

ITEM NUMBER 12 IS Z 2 2 3 2 8 9.

THE, UM, MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR AWESOME JOB.

[12. 24-1617 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a late-hours establishment limited to a restaurant without drive-in or drive-through service on property zoned Planned Development District No. 842 with an MD-1 Modified Delta Overlay on the southeast corner of Greenville Avenue and Oram Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a two-year period, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions.]

AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE.

PLAN 11, DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH AN MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GREENVILLE AVENUE AND ORAM STREET RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STATUTE RECOMMENDATION CONDITIONS.

O'TOOLE NOT ONLINE COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MS. GARZA, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SO NONE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 2 89? A MOVE THAT WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND, UH, UNTIL JULY 11TH? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

VICE CHAIR RUBEN FOR YOUR SECOND TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISE UNTIL JULY 11TH, KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

ANY COMMENTS? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. GARZA.

UM, ITEM 13 IS Z 2 2 3 3 2 9.

[13. 24-1618 An application for a Planned Development District for NO(A) Neighborhood Office District uses and standards and personal service uses, with consideration for an NS(A) Neighborhood Service District on property zoned an R-16(A) Single Family District, on the northeast corner of Royal Lane and Dallas North Tollway.]

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR AN NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT USES AND STANDARDS AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES WITH A CONSIDERATION FOR AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES OWNED IN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ROYAL LANE IN DALLAS, NORTH GOWAY.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THAT'S IT.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.

I THOUGHT WE AGREED TO BRIEF THIS IN THREE WEEKS.

UH, WE PLACED IT ON ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE 6TH AND SAID WE WOULD BRIEF IT THEN.

YES, WE WE WILL.

OH, OKAY.

HE JUST HAS TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD SO WE CAN, YOU CAN HAVE MAKE YOUR MOTION.

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PARDON? THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR MOTION.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF, UH, CASE, UH, Z 2 2 3 3 2 9.

I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PLACE THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE JUNE 6TH.

COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAER FOR YOUR SECOND TO, UH, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO JUNE 6TH, KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE, SEE NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

WELL, I GUESS I'LL JUST READ IT.

THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

THANK YOU MR. PEP.

WELCOME TO THE HOT SEAT.

HI.

[14. 24-1619 Consideration of amending Chapter 51A, the Dallas Development Code, with consideration to be given to amending Section 51A-3.102, “Board of Adjustment”; Section 51A-4.701, “Zoning Amendments”; Section 51A-4.703, “Board of Adjustment Hearing Procedures”; Section 51A-4.704, “Nonconforming Uses and Structures”; and related sections with consideration to be given to amending the notice requirements for zoning cases and code amendments that may result in the creation of a nonconforming use and the requirements for initiating and conducting a board of adjustment hearing to establish a compliance date pursuant to the requirements of Texas Senate Bill 929, 88th Legislature. Staff Recommendation: Approval of staff’s recommended amendments.]

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVELYN MAYO.

HI.

UM, ITEM NUMBER 14, IT'S CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING CHAPTER 51 A, THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO AMENDING SECTION 51, A 3.102 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SECTION 51 A 4.701 ZONING AMENDMENTS SECTION 51 A 4.703 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING PROCEDURES SECTION 51 A 4.704 NONCONFORMING USES AND STRUCTURES AND RELATED SECTIONS WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO AMENDING THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING CASES AND CODE AMENDMENTS THAT MAY RESULT IN THE CREATION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INITIATING AND CONDUCTING A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING TO ESTABLISH A COMPLIANCE STATE PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF TEXAS SENATE BILL 9 29 80 EIGHTH LE 88TH LEGISLATURE STAFF STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF OX RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS.

I THINK THAT'S ALL ERIC, RIGHT? THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE'RE READY FOR OUR SPEAKERS.

PLEASE COME ON DOWN.

2 8 3 3 PROVINCE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I'M CO-CHAIR OF DOWN WINDERS AT RISK, A CLEAN AIR AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NONPROFIT BASED IN DALLAS.

AND I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM BECAUSE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS GO BEYOND THE SCOPE OF SB 9 29 IN LIMITING MEANINGFUL RESIDENT PARTICIPATION IN THE AMORTIZATION PROCESS AND MISCONSTRUE THE ACTUAL CHANGES BEING MADE BY SB 9 29 REGARDING THE OPTIONS FOR CLOSURE OF NON-CONFORMING USES THAT ARE ADVERSELY IMPACTING PEOPLE.

THE PROPOSAL SUGGESTS REMOVING THE FIRST HEARING ON IF THERE IS AN ADVERSE IMPACT FOUND FOR RESIDENTS ATTEMPTING TO FILE UNLESS THERE IS MONEY SET ASIDE ALREADY TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE AMORTIZATION OF THE USE.

THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THE NON-CON CONFIRMING USE FIRST MUST BE DETERMINED TO HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT.

THEN A TIMELINE ON COMP COMPENSATION IS DETERMINED.

THEN THE NON-CONFORMING USE CHOOSES WHICH PATH TO OF CLOSURE TO TAKE.

IT'S PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE TO RESTRICT THE INDIVIDUAL'S ABILITY TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS ON WHETHER THERE ARE ANY FUNDS BECAUSE ONE, THERE MAY BE NO HARM FOUND.

TWO, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IT WOULD COST TO CLOSE.

AND THREE, THE NON-CONFORMING USE MAY NOT EVEN CHOOSE THE MONEY ROUTE TO CLOSURE.

THIS IS SHORTSIGHTED AND WILL UNDERMINE EFFORTS TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS SYSTEMIC INJUSTICES AND LAND USE POLICY THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF FORWARD DALLAS.

SO I IMPLORE YOU TO LOOK AT OTHER CITY STEPS THAT THEY'VE TAKEN TO ADDRESS THESE LEGACY DANGEROUS USAGE OF USES, SUCH AS THE PASSAGE OF AN ORDINANCE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE FOR SPECIFIC USES LIKE HAZARDOUS INDUSTRIAL USES WITHIN TWO YEARS.

THERE MUST BE NON, A NON-CONFORMING USE TAX OR ANOTHER FUNDING MECHANISM PUT IN PLACE THAT'S IMPOSED ON NON-CONFORMING USES.

UM, AND THAT FAIL TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE ON THEIR OWN.

THE CITY SHOULD INVENTORY ALL NON-CONFORMING USES, RANK THEM BASED ON ADVERSE IMPACT AND DETERMINE THE ACTUAL COST OF COMPLIANCE FOR ALL OF THIS, UM, AS THE BASIS FOR THE TAX NEEDED

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TO IMPOSE TO COVER THE COST IF THE PAYMENT OPTION IS SELECTED.

THIS SHOULD BE PROACTIVELY FORCED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BASED ON RACIAL EQUITY, PUBLIC HEALTH, AND OTHER CITY OF DALLAS POLICY GOALS TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE AS IT IS OUTLINED IN THE ACTUAL PURPOSE OF THE CODE.

THERE'S ALSO A FALSE FRAMEWORK ON PAYOUT VERSUS TIME.

SB 9 29 EXPLICITLY STATES THAT THE OWNER MUST CHOOSE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE DETERMINATION BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHETHER THEY WANT MONEY OR TIME.

IF THEY CHOOSE MONEY, THERE'S NO TIMELINE FOR THE CITY TO ACTUALLY PAY THEM.

THAT'S ITS OWN PROBLEM.

BUT ONLY THAT ON THE 10TH DAY OF RECEIVING THE FULL PAYMENT, THEY MUST CLOSE.

SO THE CURRENT LANGUAGE APPEARS TO BE PREPARING EXCLUSIVELY FOR A SCENARIO OF PAYOUT ONLY WHEN TIME IS STILL A PATHWAY THAT THE NON-CONFORMING USE CAN TAKE, ALLOW RESIDENTS TO GO THROUGH THE FIRST ADVERSE IMPACT ASSESSMENT PROCESS WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

THANK THANK, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

UH, JAMES PERKINS 57 49 GASTON.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

YOU MIGHT, YEAH, THE LOW BUTTON THERE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

THERE WE GO.

UH, FOLKS WERE STARING DOWN THE BARREL OF A CRUCIAL DECISION WITH ITEM 14, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT.

THIS ISN'T JUST ANOTHER BUREAUCRATIC TWEAK, IT'S A POTENTIAL GAME CHANGER FOR OUR CITY'S FUTURE, ESPECIALLY REGARDING NON-CONFORMING USES.

NOW, I'M NOT HERE TO DANCE AROUND THIS ISSUE.

THIS PROPOSAL ISN'T JUST MISGUIDED, IT'S DOWNRIGHT DANGEROUS.

IT THREATENS TO STRIP AWAY RESIDENTS' FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS BY ASKING THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN INITIAL HEARING TO ASSESS HARM FROM NON-CONFORMING USES.

IT'S LEAVING PEOPLE IN THE DARK ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT'S NOT JUST UNACCEPTABLE.

IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO EVERY DALLAS SITE WHO CARES ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY.

ALSO.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS PAY TO PLAY NONSENSE.

IF THERE'S NO CASH IN THE COFFERS, SUDDENLY PEOPLE'S VOICES DON'T MATTER.

THAT'S NOT JUST UNFAIR, IT'S BETRAYAL OF TRUST.

WE CAN'T LET MONEY DICTATE WHO GETS A SAY IN DALLAS'S FUTURE.

AND EVEN WORSE, THIS PROPOSAL SEEMS MORE INTERESTED IN HANDING OUT CASH TO NONCONFORM THAN ACTUALLY FIXING THE PROBLEM.

WE NEED REAL SOLUTIONS THAT HOLD NON-CONFORMING USES ACCOUNTABLE AND PROVIDE A DEADLINE FOR THEM TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND GET OUT.

ANYTHING LESS IS JUST SWEEPING THE ISSUE UNDER THE RUG.

SO HERE'S THE DEAL.

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO SIT BACK AND LET THIS HAPPEN.

WE NEED TO STAND UP, SPEAK OUT, AND FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR HOMES, OUR FAMILIES, OUR FUTURES, OUR ALL ON THE LINE HERE.

SO THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING CPC TO OPPOSE THESE AMENDMENTS.

I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE WON'T STAND FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN A FAIR, JUST AND EQUITABLE.

DALLAS, THANK YOU.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH SB 9 29.

I GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JANIE CISNEROS.

I LIVE AT 28 21 BEDFORD STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 2.

CITY CODE HAS BEEN CLEARED FOR DECADES THAT NON-CONFORMING USAGE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED.

THE CITY FAILED IN ENFORCING ITS OWN CODE, EVEN WHEN IT WAS AWARE THAT HAZARDOUS NON-CONFORMING USES WERE CAUSING SEVERE PUBLIC HARM WITH THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSAL, THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MU MUCH LESS RECTIFY WHEN HARM IS BEING DONE UNLESS THERE IS MONEY IN A PIGGY BANK.

HOW EXACTLY IS THIS EQUITABLE TO ALL OF THE RESILIENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE ENDURED ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE? AFTER ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE, THE CITY NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR ITS SINS AND STOP ASKING COMMUNITIES LIKE WEST DALLAS TO PAY WITH THEIR LIVES.

IF RESIDENTS CAN GET CITATIONS FOR HAVING CARS PARKED ON THEIR OWN PROPERTIES OR FOR NOT CUTTING TALL GRASS, SURELY NONCONFORMING INDUSTRIAL POLLUTERS, MAKING PEOPLE SICK CAN ALSO BE MADE TO PAY FOR THE DAMAGE THEY'RE CAUSING.

NOT ALL BUSINESSES ARE EQUAL.

SOME ARE SMALL BUSINESSES TRYING TO REBUILD, TRYING TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS IN THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH THEY SERVE.

OTHERS ARE MEGA POLLUTERS, LIKE GAF, POISONING THE AIR FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN MAKING THEM SICK.

WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TODAY MAKES NO DISTINCTION OR PRIORITY OF WHAT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN ASEP FOR THE BENEFIT OF PUBLIC HEALTH.

FOR THIS REASON, IT'S CRITICAL THAT THE FIRST HEARING TO JUDGE THE HARM BE KEPT RESIDENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF BUSINESSES IS CAUSING HARM TO THEIR FAMILIES.

A SECOND HEARING SHOULD ALSO NOT BE CONTINGENT ON FUNDS BECAUSE A BUSINESS COULD VERY WELL CHOOSE TIME VERSUS MONEY

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BOTTOM LINE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SICK AND DYING, AND WE NEED HELP.

I AM SICK EVERY MONTH WITH RESPIRATORY ISSUES AND IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE.

I HAVE A LITTLE GIRL THAT DEPENDS ON ME.

NON-CONFORMING, DANGEROUS POLLUTERS SHOULD NOT BE OPERATING NEXT DOOR TO RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

DON'T ENTERTAIN A PAY-TO-PLAY PROCESS FOR ADDRESSING PUBLIC HARMS. IMP, PLEASE, PLEASE OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT.

YOU GOOD EVENING, PATTY.

JIM BECK, DOWN WINDERS AT RISK 1808 SOUTH GOOD LATIMER 7 5 2 2 6.

WHEN WE FIRST HEARD THIS PROPOSAL SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, IT, I TOLD YOU IT WAS UNSERIOUS.

IT IS UNSERIOUS STILL, LAWYERS SEE PROBLEMS LIKE THIS THAT THEY THINK CAN BE SOLVED BY A BANDAID, BUT WHEN THE VICTIM HAS A CANCER OR A GUNSHOT WOUND, BANDAIDS AND LAWYERS AREN'T VERY EFFECTIVE.

YOU NEED SURGERY AND TREATMENT BY PROFESSIONALS.

THIS BODY IS AMONG THE MOST SERIOUS AND CONSIDERATE.

THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS.

YOU'RE THE STEWARDS OF A GREATER GOOD, A PUBLIC GOOD THAT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WITH EACH CASE ANEW.

WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THIS NOT AS A LEGAL FIX, BUT AS A CRISIS THAT AFFECTS EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS IN REGARDS TO FORWARD DALLAS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND 21ST CENTURY LAND USE PLANNING.

IT CHALLENGES ALL OF THAT.

IT PUTS IT TO RUIN.

AND YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE LAWYERS DICTATING THE POLICY FOR THIS.

YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS COMMISSION DECIDING THAT IN ASSOCIATION WITH LAWYERS, YOU SHOULD HAVE EXPERTS DECIDING THIS BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE DRAGGED US THROUGH THE LAST THREE YEARS OF REDESIGNING THESE MAPS AND YOU'VE GONE TO ALL THIS TROUBLE AND THEY'RE GONNA GO FOR THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS AND GO TO ALL THE TROUBLE OF REZONING IT, BUT YOU HAVE NO CAPACITY AND NO TOOLS TO CHANGE THE FACTS ON THE GROUND THAT CAUSED THOSE CHANGES TO BE SOUGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

WHAT CONFIDENCE DO WE HAVE IN THIS PROCESS AT ALL? WHAT IS THE POINT? WHAT ARE WE ALL DOING HERE? IF THERE IS NO END GAME TO GET RID OF THE NUISANCES, THE PUBLIC HEALTH THREATS THAT WE KNOW ARE OUT THERE, WE NEED A MUNICIPAL TOOL TO DO THIS.

YOU DO NOT HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER.

EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE IS AT STAKE HERE, RIGHT? THE GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE A LEGAL FIX.

THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A PROCESS, A TOOL THAT A MUNICIPALITY CAN USE TO GET RID OF NON-CONFORMING USES THAT IS DEMANDED BY ORDINANCE.

IT DOES NOT SAY MAY.

IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU AN OPTION.

IT SAYS THEY SHALL BE ELIMINATED.

AND WE ARE WITHOUT THAT TOOL TODAY.

THIS PROPOSAL, AS WAS SAID, ELIMINATES THE MOST IMPORTANT PROCESS, WHICH IS DETERMINING WHETHER IT'S A NUISANCE OR NOT.

WHY WOULD YOU RAISE, WANNA RAISE MONEY FOR A USE THAT WASN'T A PUBLIC HEALTH THREAT, THAT WASN'T A NUISANCE? YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS FIRST.

SO PLEASE BRING THIS INTO THE PROCESS.

WHATEVER OPTION YOU DECIDE, IT'S A BAD GOVERNMENT DECISION TO EXCLUDE IT, IT RIGS IT TOWARD BIG BUSINESSES.

'CAUSE IT'LL ALWAYS BE EASIER TO PICK ON MOM AND POP SHOPS.

IT'LL ALWAYS BE CHEAPER TO DO THAT.

SO IT'S INEQUITABLE FROM THE START AND IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO IDENT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

IT IDENTIFIES, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH MONEY YOU NEED OR WHERE TO GET THAT MONEY.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN THIS COMMISSION.

YOU NEED THE INPUT OF PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS.

PLEASE FORM A SPECIAL COMMITTEE.

WE, WE WANT TO TAKE THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT'S NEEDED.

WE NEED A TOOL.

WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO GET THIS TOOL.

PLEASE COME BACK.

THANK YOU, MR. A RESULT.

OH, YOU MIGHT NEED TO TOGGLE IT ON AND OFF A COUPLE OF TIMES.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ONLINE? SPEAKER, THERE IS AN ONLINE SPEAKER.

NO.

OH, DAVIS, MR. DAVIS, ARE YOU ON LINE, SIR? I AM.

YES, I AM.

ONE HOME STREET.

CAN CAN YOU, AFTER HEARING ALL THAT WE HAVE HEARD, CAN YOU MAKE SURE AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, SIR, SO WE WE CAN SEE YOU.

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ALSO, WE SEE YOU NOW.

EMMANUEL DAVIS, 47 51 NOME STREET.

AFTER HEARING ALL WE HAVE HEARD, HOW CAN WE EVEN STAND? HOW CAN WE EVEN STAND AT STATUS QUO? WE MUST UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE.

HUMANITY IS AT STAKE.

WE ARE BACK IN THE SAME POSITION THAT MY PEOPLE, DESCENDANTS OF SLAVES HAVE FOUND THEM, THAT FOUND THEMSELVES OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO IN WE'RE BACK BEING NEGLECTED AND NOT PUT IN THE PROCESS LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING.

IF YOU VALUE THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, I ASKED YOU, I PLEAD WITH YOU, COULD YOU PLEASE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION AND DO NOT LEAVE THE CITIZENS OUT OF THE PROCESS? WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT, UH, EQUAL UP TO A WHOLE WONDERFUL CITY AND A CITY GROWTH.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT WHAT WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND, IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE PEOPLE, IF WE DO NOT HAVE HUMANITY, WHOLE HUMANITY, HOW CAN WE EVEN THRIVE AS A CITY? I PLEAD WITH YOU THAT YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY, THIS GOLDEN MOMENT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN, IT WENT OFF THIS GOLDEN MOMENT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO, UH, TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON FOR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT LIVES ARE BEING LOST WITH THIS ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE.

DROPPY IS THE 11 COMMUNITY, UH, POLLUTED COMMUNITY AND THE UNITED STATES, WEST DALLAS, WHEN WE PUT THEIR STATS UP, THEY ARE NUMBER TWO MOST COMMUNITY, UH, POLLUTED COMMUNITY IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO I PLEAD WITH YOU, I I STAND BEFORE YOU REPRESENTING MY COMMUNITY DROPPING.

UH, MY CITIZENS HAVE PLEADED WITH ME THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

THEIR HANDS IS UP.

BUT WE, UH, HAVE ELECTED YOUR, UH, COMMISSIONER, OUR COMMISSIONER.

YOU HAVE BEEN APPOINTED AND WE ASK THAT YOU STAND WITH US, THAT YOU, IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, THAT YOU TAKE THE TIME OUT AND TO SEARCH THIS OUT AND TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THE PEOPLE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I SEE NONE.

COMMISSIONER HOUSER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.

I DO, I HAVE A, I HAVE A COMMENT AFTERWARDS.

IF I GET A SECOND, UH, IN THE MATTER OF DCA 2 23 DASH ZERO EIGHT, I MOVE.

WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN HOLD THIS MATTER UNTIL JULY 25TH.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? UH, YES.

WANNA THANK THE SPEAKERS THAT CAME DOWN THIS AFTERNOON? REMIND US OF, UH, AS ONE SAID, WHAT IS AT STAKE? WE, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF THIS ISSUE TO, UH, TO OUR CITY AND, AND TO, UH, ANY NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY.

UM, WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE COUNSEL THAT WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY STRICT LEGAL BOUNDARIES THAT WE'RE OPERATING WITHIN.

WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW WEEKS TO WORK WITH STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN BRING FORTH THE BEST POSSIBLE, UM, AMENDMENT THE BEST POSSIBLE, UM, PROPOSAL AT THE JULY 25TH HEARING.

CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES WHO HAVE COME HERE TODAY AND, AND ULTIMATELY FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

VICE CHAIR RUBIN.

YEAH, I WILL, UM, DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE MOTION HERE.

I WILL SAY THAT, UM, STAFF, OR I'M SORRY, THAT THE STATE DUMPED A HOT LOAD OF GARBAGE IN OUR LAPS WITH SENATE BILL 9 29 AND HOW WE DEAL WITH NON-CONFORMING USES AND, YOU KNOW, EITHER BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE OR ELIMINATE THEM AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATE THEY, WE WERE HERE TODAY.

I KNOW THE CITY OPPOSED IT DOWN IN AUSTIN, BUT WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL.

SO NOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST GRAPPLE WITH IT.

UM, THIS CAME TO ZAC A COUPLE TIMES, I GUESS LATE LAST YEAR AND EARLY THIS YEAR.

AND WE GAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THE INSTRUCTIONS TO, UM, WRITE IN AMENDMENTS TO WHAT THEY HAD PROPOSED.

UM, JUST GENERALLY ALLOWING A, UM, CITIZEN LED PROCESS TO INITIATE COMPLIANCE, WHICH WAS IN THE OLD ORDINANCE, UM, BUT WAS NOT IN THE DRAFT THAT WE SAW.

SO WE NOW HAVE LANGUAGE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT VERY CAREFULLY AND WAY THE

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YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT THESE, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S LANGUAGE, I BELIEVE BELIEVE ON FRIDAY WITH THE DOCKET.

AND, YOU KNOW, I, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK MOVING FORWARD TODAY, DESPITE THE CRITICAL NATURE OF THIS ISSUE IS THE RIGHT MOVE.

IT'S, WE DON'T, WE HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME WITH THE LANGUAGE YET, HAVE NOT KICKED THE TIRES OF IT, HAVE NOT CONSIDERED POSSIBLE, HAVE NOT HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO CONSIDER POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO ROLL UP MY SLEEVES AND WORKING ON THIS AND FINDING THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS IN LIGHT OF THE GARBAGE THAT, UM, THE STATE HAS DUMPED IN OUR LAPS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEAH, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN EFFORTS TO REPEAL, UM, UH, UH, PARTS OF THE, THE HOUSE BILL THAT THIS IS CONNECTED TO AND THERE'S STILL WORK TO BE DONE.

UM, I DO THINK THAT MY, UM, STANCE AS I HEARD THIS BEFORE, AND MY STANCE TODAY IS THAT WE HAVE VERY CAPABLE ATTORNEYS, UM, THAT I AM PROUD THAT REPRESENTS US, AND I, I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND ANOTHER WAY TO FIGHT THIS AT THE STATE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.

YEAH, I JUST, I, I AGREE.

I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.

I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I SUSPECT A LOT OF US DON'T UNDERSTAND AND WE REALLY NEED TO GET CLARITY ON THAT BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANYTHING.

SO I THINK IT'S A WISE MOVE.

A MOTION TO HOLD THE MINUTES.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.

SEE NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THE OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK, UH, WE'LL TAKE UP THE MINUTES NEXT TIME.

NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION? WE NEED

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I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO HOLD THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I SEE COMMISSIONER HALL'S A, HE'S MAKING THAT MOTION.