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[Landmark Commission Meeting on June 3, 2024]

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ALRIGHT, IT'S, IT IS JUNE 3RD, UH, 2024.

THE TIME IS 1 0 5 AND I'M CALLING TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.

UH, MY NAME IS EVELYN MONTGOMERY.

I'M THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND OUR VICE-CHAIR, COMMISSIONER COURTNEY POLICY WHO IS PRESENT HERE.

AND WE DO HAVE A, UM, A FORUM OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT BOTH HERE AND ONLINE.

SO IF ELAINE WOULD PLEASE, UM, TAKE THE ROLL CALL.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE MEETING STARTED AT 1:05 PM THAT'S WHAT I SAID, ISN'T IT? YOU SAID ONE O'CLOCK? .

OKAY.

NOW I CAN'T EVEN TALK.

RIGHT.

, DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.

PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO.

COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE.

COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT FOUR.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT FIVE.

COMMISSIONER OFFIT.

PRESENT? UH, DISTRICT SIX.

COMMISSIONER OSA WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER.

SPELL DISTRICT NINE.

COMMISSIONER RENO.

PRESENT DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER COX? PRESENT? DISTRICT 11.

COMMISSIONER GATE DISTRICT 12.

COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 13.

COMMISSIONER POSI WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.

DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER GUEST PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER REEVES.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER GAY.

DISTRICT 11 PRESENT.

DID.

OKAY, WELL WE HAVE 15 RIGHT NOW WITHOUT, I SEE COMMISSIONER TAYLOR AS WELL.

WOULD WE CALL COUNTRY? PARDON ME? OKAY, SO WE HAVE REQUESTED WHETHER ANYBODY IS HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY MATTER OTHER THAN OUR AGENDA ITEMS, AND THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE THE CASE.

UM, SO COMMISSIONER FELLY, DO YOU HAVE, UH, SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE REGARDING THE ORDERING AND CARRYING OUT OF OUR AGENDA? UH, YES.

FIRST, UM, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT CONSENT TO ITEM ONE, WHICH JUST ONE YOU HAVE TO .

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL DO THAT FIRST.

WELL, USUALLY YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR REORDERING.

WELL, THEY'RE STILL FILLING OUT THOUGH.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR THAT PARTICULAR DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT THEY'RE DUE THIS BIG, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST WAITING.

OKAY.

THAT'S SAID ITEM ONE.

OKAY, SO THEY'RE DOING CONSENT ITEM ONE.

I AM RECUSED OFF THE BAT.

SO, UH, FIRST I MOVE TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, CONSENT ITEM.

ONE SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

A SOUNDS GREAT.

NOW WE CAN ROTHENBERGER.

OKAY.

UM, ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP CONSENT ITEM FIVE, AND THAT IS, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT.

ITEM FIVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE SPECIFICATION OF THE USE OF W2 8, 3 8 POLISHED MAHOGANY IN LIEU OF THE TRICO BLACK.

AND WOULD THE CONDITION THAT THE CAP ON THE COLUMN BASIS BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE COLUMN? I, I, I, THAT WASN'T A PART OF THE, UM, DISCUSSION THAT I REMEMBER.

THE ONLY ONE THAT I REMEMBER WAS TRIONE BLACK.

BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, THEN I, I'D PREFER TO JUST WITHDRAW MINE AND HAVE YOU DO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO MOVED.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN, JUST SO WE HAVE A, I HAVE TO SAY

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IT AGAIN.

YEAH, YOU HAVE TO SAY THE WHOLE THING THAT YOU WANT SO THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT RECORD THAT, UH, CONSENT ITEM FIVE BE APPROVED FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS THAT THE TRICORE BLACK OPTION IS DISALLOWED.

AND NUMBER TWO, THE CAP ON THE COLUMN BASIS BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE COLUMNS.

AYE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER.

SP ALL THOSE IN FAVOR THAT THERE'S NO DISCUSSION? AYE, AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

THAT ONE HAS GOOD TO GO.

I MOVED TO, YES, HANG ON.

OKAY.

SO IT WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHERMAN AND EXECUTIVE BY COMMISSIONER.

SP WE'LL TRY TO, TRY TO DO BETTER.

WE WILL.

ALL RIGHT.

I SEE.

I THINK I SEE MORE PEOPLE ENTERING THE ROOM.

EVERYBODY'S GOT TO FILL OUT ONE OF THESE IF THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK.

ALL RIGHT, MR. PEL, NEXT, UH, MOVE TO APPROVED CONSENT ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SECOND.

COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERMAN FOR YOUR SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT LEAVES US ONLY WITH, UH, CONSENT THAT ADAM SIX.

RIGHT.

SO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING CONSENT, EXCUSE ME, ITEM SIX TO THE DISCUSSION.

SO I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGED OUR, UH, AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE COURTESY REVIEW FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEM SIX.

THEN WE'LL TAKE UP DISCUSSION ITEM SIX, FOLLOWED BY THOSE SIGNING UP PREVIOUSLY, UH, IN PERSON DISCUSSION ITEMS THREE, DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, THEN DISCUSSION ITEM ONE FOLLOWED BY WHAT'S LEFT? I THINK IT'S JUST TWO LEFT, UH, TWO AND FIVE, OR NO, EXCUSE ME, FIVE.

AND THEN TWO.

SO THAT, UH, AGAIN, THAT, YEAH, UH, THE ORDER WOULD BE THE COURTESY REVIEW FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEM SIX.

THEN DISCUSSION ITEM SIX, THEN IN PERSON SPEAKERS THAT SIGNED UP PREVIOUSLY.

DISCUSSION THAT ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, FIVE AND TWO SECOND.

AND WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT? IS THAT MITCHELL LIVINGTON? OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THEN THAT IS THE, UM, ORDER IN WHICH WE WILL FOLLOW.

YES.

WHICH MEANS WE ARE READY FOR OUR COURTESY REVIEW.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SPEAKER IS.

I DON'T THINK THE SPEAKER OR THE APPLICANT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, GIVE SWIFT, BUT THE OH, WE DO, WE, OH, OH, SORRY.

YEAH, THE COURTESY REVIEW.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT.

WE DO LIKE TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT DURING COURTESY REVIEW, BUT LET'S ASK STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND READ IT INTO THE RECORD.

OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS DR.

RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.

THE COURTESY REVIEW ITEM IS CR ONE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 18 BERGER AVENUE.

IT IS LOCATED IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH 0 1 8 RD.

THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.

FEEDBACK IS COURTESY REVIEW.

NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.

ALL RIGHTY.

IN THE ABSENCE OF THE APPLICANT HERE TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE THINK OF THEIR PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WILL LATER COME BACK TO US AS AN ACTIVE, UM, REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST FOR THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS TO FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO, UM, EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS THEY HAVE THAT WOULD HELP IN THE RECORDING, IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO LISTEN TO IT, LET THEM KNOW, UH, THINGS THEY COULD DO TO IMPROVE THE, UM, THE WAYS IN WHICH THIS NEW HOUSE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND FIT INTO THE PREVAILING ORDINANCE.

SO, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER

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ANDERSON, UH, YES, I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY ADD A BEAM EXPRESSION ON THE FRONT PORCH.

A BEAM EXPRESSION IS A, THE FASCIA BOARD AND IT'S, IT'S A BEAM TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT COLUMNS SIT ON TOP, UM, ON, SO IT, IT'S A KIND OF A STRUCTURAL PIECE CALLED THE BEAM EXPRESSION, WHICH IS BASICALLY A FASCIA BOARD ABOVE THE COLUMNS.

ALRIGHT, SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALSO THE TASK FORCE'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT THERE SHOULD BE THAT FASCIA BOARD AND YES, AND IT, IT HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING HOLDING UP TO APPARENTLY .

SO, SO, UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF THE APPLICANT, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT STAFF WOULD, WOULD HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SUGGESTION WAS.

ANYBODY ELSE? UH, YES, I HAD A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS.

UM, ONE IS THAT THE FOUNDATION, UM, IS ONLY COVERED ON THE FIRST OR RATHER ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.

UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT'S ALSO COVERED ON THE, THE SIDES AS WELL, UM, WITH THE, THE SAME WOOD SIDING, UH, SO THAT IT LOOKS CONSISTENT AROUND THE PERIMETER.

UM, I AGREE WITH, UM, UH, UH, UH, SHOOT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S, UH, SUGGESTION ABOUT A, A FREEZE BOARD, UH, TO HELP SEPARATE THE, UM, THE GABLE AND HELP IT REST ON THE, THE COLUMNS.

UM, I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE, JUST THE SIZE OF THE BRACKETS.

THEY'RE ONLY ONE FOOT TALL.

UH, I BELIEVE SOMETHING IN 16 INCHES OR SO WOULD, WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

UM, I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS UNDERNEATH THE PORCH.

THEY ARE, THERE'S NOT REALLY VERY MUCH WALL LEFT AROUND THAT CORNER, IN PARTICULAR ON THE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE FRONT EL THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION.

UM, AND UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY SUGGESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COMMISSIONER RENE, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I'M NOT HEARING FROM ANYBODY.

I THINK OUR CONSENSUS WAS THIS WAS A PRETTY GOOD EFFORT AT DESIGNING A NEW INFO HOME TO GO INTO AN EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND WE CERTAINLY HOPE TO, UM, SEE IT COME BACK AS AN ACTUAL REQUEST.

I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD AT SOME POINT WITH FILLING IN THAT EMPTY LOT WITH AN ICE HOUSE.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT STEP WILL BE C SIX AND WE NEED STAFF TO READ THAT IN AND THAT I BELIEVE WE HAD SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY, HOPEFULLY MAYBE UPDATE THAT PERSON LOCKED UP ITEM.

EXCUSE ME.

ITEM C SIX IS LOCATED AT FOUR 16 SOUTH CLINTON AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 48 MW.

AND I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING FOR STAFF REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE REAR TOWER.

ADDITION ITEM NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION.

FOUR.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

FIVE.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO MATCH EXISTING SIX.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THREE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

SEVEN.

A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE TOWER EDITION.

THE REAR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND REAR OF, AND PART OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH HARDY SHINGLE STAGGERED PANEL.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24.

WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR IN THE EAST SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS

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IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS, THE ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING IN IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

SECTION 51 P 87.11 A 17 F ROMAN THREE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO MATCH EXISTING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOW BE ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

SECTION 51 P 87 1 1 1 A 17 F ROMAN THREE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THREE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS B ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING I IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

SECTION 51 P 87.111 A 17 F ROMAN THREE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE TOWER EDITION, THE REAR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND PART OF THE SIDE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH HARDY SHINGLES STAGGERED PANEL BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING SOME MATERIALS DATED 4.2, I'M SORRY, 4 21 24, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE RUSS PETERS LISTED AS A SPEAKER ON THIS ONE.

OH, WE DO NEED SOMEONE TO DO THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.

COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER WILL ONCE AGAIN HELP US WITH THAT AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. PETER.

SORRY, I GOT OUT OF ORDER.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

TEST COURSE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION.

BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

NEED A WINDOW SURVEY DOCUMENTING WINDOW CONDITION, REMOVING TOO MUCH HISTORIC FABRIC, MODERNIZING TOO MUCH, PERHAPS EXTEND EDITION TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER.

TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER.

ADDITION, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

NEED A WINDOW SURVEY DOCUMENTING RANDOM CONDITION, SAME COMMENTS AS ABOVE, REMOVING TO HISTORIC FABRIC, MODERNIZING TOO MUCH.

NUMBER THREE, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL THE SLIDING DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER.

BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

SAME COMMENTS AS ABOVE.

NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

NEED A WINDOW SURVEY DOCUMENTING WINDOW CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO MATCH EXISTING BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THREE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

NEED A WINDOW SURVEY, SAME COMMENTS AS ABOVE.

NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE TOWER.

ADDITION THE REAR MAIN STRUCTURE AND PART OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH PARTY SHINGLE.

STAGGERED PANEL BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE HARDY SIDING.

WOOD SIDING IS BETTER THAN SHINGLES.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

NOW, MR. PETERS .

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PARDON? WE HE WAS JUST REMINDING ME OF EVERYTHING.

I'M NOT THAT FORGETFUL.

ALL RIGHT, MR. PETERS, FIRST OFF, I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE DO.

YES.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SWEAR, AFFIRM, OR PROMISE THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH.

OF COURSE YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH.

RIGHT? I KNEW YOU WOULD.

AND, UM, UH, THE MIC IS NOT ON.

OH, TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, PLEASE, SIR.

OKAY.

HOW'S THAT? BETTER? CAN YOU HEAR HIM NOW? NO.

YES.

PRETTY MIND.

IT'S NOW FIXED.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND NOW, SO NOW I'M SUPPOSED TO REMIND YOU, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, ELAINE WILL BE TIMING YOU TO TELL US WHATEVER YOU NEED, YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW FURTHER ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, I, I ABSOLUTELY DO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNUSUAL REQUEST FOR THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.

UM, HOWEVER, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FROM A FUNCTION PERSPECTIVE TERM, WHAT USED TO BE A SLEEPING PORCH WITH A LOT OF WINDOWS, BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM, IN A NOT FULL TWO STORY STRUCTURE.

IT, YOU CAN'T GET, YOU CAN GET AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING DOWNSTAIRS, BUT YOU CANNOT GET AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING UPSTAIRS.

IT'S ONLY 16 FEET ON THE OUTSIDE.

AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE FOUR JOISTS IN BETWEEN.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TURN THIS INTO A PRIMARY SUITE, EN SUITE, BATH, BEDROOM, WITH A VIEW OF THE BEAUTIFUL POOL THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE BACKYARD.

SO WE ARE TAKING IT SLIGHTLY MORE MODERN, IF YOU WILL, THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY DO.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO TRY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME SORT OF REASONING AS TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH, WE'RE CALLING IT THE TOWER, BUT FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IT'S MORE LIKE A CLEAR STORY OR A STORY AND A HALF, NOT A FULL TWO STORY.

SURE.

UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A REQUEST, UH, THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT READ SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS ON, UH, WHETHER, UH, ANY, UM, AMENDMENTS TO THE STRUCTURE, UH, NEED TO BE ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

SO, SO WE WOULD LIKE MORE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE IN THE BACK FOR THE RECORD, YES.

AND HAVE BEEN OBSERVED BY STAFF TO NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT STAFF.

PLEASE CONFIRM THAT INDEED YOU WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED PERSONALLY.

OKAY.

I DID.

OKAY, GOOD.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING OUR RULING ON AND THE SPECIFICS OF HOW HOW MUCH PROTECTION HAS AFFORDED THE REAR OF BUILDINGS HAS COME UP IN OTHER DISTRICTS AND IS A PERENNIAL SOURCE OF DEBATE.

CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? YES.

WE'RE MAKING, WELL, SO WE'RE MAKING OUR RULING ON WHETHER OR NOT THESE AMENDMENTS, UH, ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS IN FACT WORDED THAT WAY, THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA ENFORCE WHAT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE CODE.

I MAY HAVE TO DEFER TO MARCUS IF HE KNOWS THE SPECIFIC SECTION, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO PULL IT UP TO LOOK.

THE, THE THING WITH THE WINNET ORDINANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IT SAYS, BUT WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY.

UM, OTHER ORDINANCES, OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE PROTECTED FACADES AND WINNETKA DOES NOT NAME PROTECTED FACADES OR NON-PROTECTED.

IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ON THE, THE PHYSICAL FORM? UM, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE USE IS BEING CHANGED FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROTECT THE, THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE.

AND SO IS THERE ANYTHING WORDED SPECIFICALLY, UM, FORM ON USE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPORTION OF OPENINGS? NOTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, GIVE ME A SECOND IF YOU WANT ME TO, TO PUT IT VERBATIM.

APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT APOLOGIZE, APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE FIRST UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE ORDINANCE.

UM, WELL THAT'S JUST, UM,

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SO FOR, FOR A REAR ADDITION, AND I'M GONNA PARAPHRASE UNTIL I FIND IT SPECIFICALLY, BASICALLY THE, IT GENERALLY SAYS THAT THE FORM MATERIALS DETAILS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE.

OKAY.

UM, BECAUSE WITH THAT KIND OF CRITERIA, THE IDEA OF, OF THE, THE WAY THAT THE, THE MODIFICATIONS ARE BEING DONE DOESN'T, I DON'T, IN MY OPINION, UM, IS NOT COMPATIBLE, UM, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

ONE IS THE, THE SKIN, UH, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THAT THE SHINGLES, UH, RATHER THAN ANY KIND OF HORIZONTAL SIDING, UH, SEEMS ALIEN TO THE, UM, TO THE, UM, TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS JUST THE PHYSICAL FORM OF A, OF AN ELEVATED, UM, UH, STRUCTURE.

AND THE FACT THAT IT HAS, UM, FENESTRATION AROUND THE, THE TOP OF IT, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS TWO STORY OR NOT, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S STILL THAT TALL AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FENESTRATION ON IT NOW SEEMS, UH, INCOMPATIBLE AS WELL.

REMEMBER MR. RENO, THIS IS WHEN WE ASK QUESTION, SO I APOLOGIZE.

ASK HIM IF HE REALLY WANTS TO DO THAT, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

RIGHT.

SO, WELL, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, UH, WOULD YOU BE AT ALL AMENABLE TO HAVING ANY TYPE OF FENESTRATION UP ON THE, UH, AT, AT THE UPPER LEVEL? NOT, I, I REALIZE IT'S ALL ONE STORY, BUT CLOSER TO THE EVE LINE SO THAT IT AT LEAST IT, UH, APPROXIMATES WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THERE TODAY? SURE.

UM, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT WAYS IN WHICH I COULD COMPROMISE TODAY IN ORDER TO SORT OF REACH, ACHIEVE OUR, OUR GOALS FOR THE PRO FOR THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, SATISFY WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE ON THE OUTSIDE.

UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE WILLING TO CHANGE IT TO THE ONE 17 SIDING VERSUS THE HARD SHINGLE.

UM, THAT'S AN EASY ONE.

UM, THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM, I WILL SAY THE PROBLEM WITH THE WINDOWS ON THE UPPER STORY AND THE ONES BELOW, THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM, AND THEY'RE SO, THEY'RE OLD, THEY'RE THE OLD, AND OF COURSE NOT DOUBLE PANE.

SO IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET THAT ROOM EITHER WARM OR COOL BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH GLASS AND IT'S SO MUCH OLD GLASS.

SO IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THAT, UM, ABLE TO GET IT COOL OR WARM, YOU KNOW, WITH AIR CONDITIONING.

SO IF WE COULD MAYBE CHANGE THE OPENING SIZES, UM, AND MAYBE CHANGE THE OPENING SIZES UP ABOVE, THEN I COULD PUT IN A FALSE CEILING IN THE BEDROOM AND THE WINDOWS COULD REMAIN.

AND THEN THAT WAY IT LOOKS THE SAME FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT THEN I WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAT AND PULL THE PRIMARY SUITE SO MUCH MORE EASILY.

SO IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT COMPROMISE, I'D BE VERY WILLING TO DO THAT, TO GET IT TO GO, TO GO THROUGH.

I'M NOT SO SURE THE WINDOWS ARE REALLY SMALL, THEY'RE ONLY TWO FEET BY, BY FIVE FEET, AND THEY'RE, SO, THEY'RE, THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM.

AND THEY'RE REALLY SMALL.

MM-HMM.

.

SO MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO REJIGGER THE WINDOWS IN SUCH A WAY WHERE THEY'RE LARGER, BUT STILL WRAPPING AROUND IN THE SPIRIT OF A SLEEPING PORCH.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR EFFORT IN, IN THAT DIRECTION.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE.

UM, EVEN THE, THE SIZING, THE, EVEN THE QUANTITY COULD BE REDUCED, BUT AT LEAST IF THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY RESEMBLE, UM, SOMETHING OF THEIR, THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE, UH, UH, ACCOMMODATING.

SURE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, OFTENTIMES WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING THAT IS A FAR DEPARTURE FROM WHERE WE THINK IT SHOULD GO, INSTEAD, IT'S EASIER TO, INSTEAD OF DESIGN FROM, WE CALL THIS THE HORSESHOE, THIS DESIGN FROM THE HORSESHOE, IT'S BETTER TO START OVER.

AND, UM, IN THIS CASE ALSO,

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FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE, UM, THE PROCEDURE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE REMOVAL WINDOWS, ET CETERA, IS TO DOCUMENT THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOW.

AND THERE'S NO WINDOW SURVEY TO GO BACK THERE.

UM, IF IT'S A TOTAL REMODEL OF THE WHOLE SPACE ON THE OUTSIDE, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE TO GO ON ALSO.

SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WOULD IT, IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, I THINK, UNLESS ONE OF OUR ARCHITECTS WERE TO DRAW IT OUT HERE AND THEN DESCRIBE IT IN DETAIL, WHICH IS REALLY MORE THAN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING HERE AT THE WHOLE SHOOT.

UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAT WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY SIGN OFF ON? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING I SEE IS TO FOLLOW STAFF.

I MEAN, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION AND DENY ALL ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND START OVER.

THAT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION I SEE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, WHAT'S PROPOSED THAT IS ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

AND, UM, IT DOES HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FUTURE OF THE BUILDING.

SO UNLESS WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE FAR MORE APPROPRIATE THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO GET AN APPROVAL TOGETHER.

PLUS THIS ORDINANCE IS PART, I MEAN, I'VE, I STUDIED IT FOR 40 YEARS.

I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.

THERE'S NOTHING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT CALLS OUT ANY FACADE.

UM, IN WE AT THE HEIGHTS THAT REMAINS UNPROTECTED, THEY'RE ALL PROTECTED.

AND WE AT THE HEIGHTS, SO IF WE HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE WORKING FROM THAT SAID EVERYTHING ON THE REAR IS, YOU KNOW, A FREE FOR ALL, THEN MM-HMM.

, WE COULD HANG ON THAT, UM, PIECE OF CRITERIA, BUT WE CAN'T, I MEAN, I KNOW IT COSTS MONEY TO DO THESE DRAWINGS AND COME UP WITH THESE IDEAS, BUT IT, IT REALLY IS GOING IN A, A VERY MODERN DIRECTION THAT I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN ENDORSE IT.

IS THERE A, A QUESTION IN THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? AND, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE, IF PERHAPS YOU COULD HELP ANSWER HER BY CLARIFYING WHAT YOU JUST SAID YOU WERE WILLING TO DO BEFORE WHEN WE WERE TALKING COMPROMISE.

UM, WERE YOU WILLING TO LEAVE THE WINDOWS EXACTLY THE NUMBER AND SIZES THERE ARE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM FROM THE INSIDE THAT PROTECTS YOU FROM THE WEATHER AND SUCH? OR WERE YOU STILL WANTING TO TAKE OUT SOME AND REPLACE 'EM? SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE TAKE OUT SOME OF THE WINDOWS AND REPLACE THEM WITH DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS THAT LOOK APPROPRIATE TO THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY.

BUT I DO NEED, I NEED THAT, I NEED THAT ENERGY EFFICIENCY TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK.

BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, WE'RE TAKING FROM A VERY DIFFERENT FUNCTION.

YOU'RE GOING FROM A SLEEPING PORCH, FREE AIR CONDITIONING TO A MASTER SUITE, OUR PRIMARY SUITE WITH AIR CONDITIONING.

SO WE'RE TAKING IT FROM AN ORANGE TO A BANANA.

SO IT, I, I GET, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO COMPROMISE.

IF I CAN HAVE WINDOW SHAPES AND LOOKS, BUT WITH DOUBLE PANED, THEN THAT HELPS ME ACHIEVE THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY I NEED.

IF, IF THAT'S GONNA BE ACCEPTABLE, I'M HAPPY TO REDRAW THIS THING AND THEN COME BACK AND TRY TO SUBMIT.

OKAY.

BUT I WOULD LIKE A, BEFORE I DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE A KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IF I DID THAT, THEN THAT'S BE OF A GOOD SHOT OF MAKING THAT.

WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WAS GETTING AT THAT TO MAKE A COMPLETE A MUCH DIFFERENT REQUEST THAN WHAT YOU MADE TODAY.

WE CAN'T, UM, EXACTLY APPROVE IT UNTIL WE HAVE YEAH.

A DRAWING TO LOOK AT.

'CAUSE WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? RIGHT.

JUST SOME WORDS AND WORDS DON'T WORK VERY WELL AT PAINTING A PICTURE ALWAYS CORRECT.

LIKE THEY SHOULD.

UM, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, SPECIFIC WAYS OF IMPROVING THIS REQUEST, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN OR ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT? THAT CELL THAT I DID, MR. FOX.

WE ALSO, WE ALSO, UM, TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOWS SURVEYS, AND THAT DOES NOT SOLVED THAT PROBLEM OF NEEDING TO KNOW THE ION OF THE WINDOWS NOW, SO THAT YOU'RE NOT GUESSING OR WORKING WITH JUST THE MANUFACTURER PRODUCTS.

BUT THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO NOT ONLY MEET YOUR DEMANDS, BUT MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE ORDINANCE.

SURE.

I'M HAPPY TO DO A WINDOWS SURVEY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WHY DON'T YOU, UM, FURTHER ASK FOR DETAILS ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.

HOW MANY WINDOWS, YOU KNOW,

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TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, UM, FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, WHAT MIGHT APPEAR MORE APPROPRIATE? I THINK COMMISSIONER RENO HAS A HANDLE ON THAT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A CLEAR STORY OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE DOUBLE HUNG, UM, UH, MAYBE NOT CONTINUOUSLY, BUT UM, UM, A TRIO ON, ON THE REAR AND A PAIR ON EACH SIDE, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT I CAN'T VERY WELL CALL OUT.

I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IN MY MIND'S EYE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PRESERVATION ARCHITECTS HERE WHO HELP US WITH THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, TO ME THAT WOULD SEEM LIKE A COMPROMISE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THEY WOULD NEED TO BE.

UM, AND, UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE WAY IT'S DRAWN AND THE WAY IT'S GOING IS NOT SOMETHING I CAN IMPROVE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO HOW TO REACH, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU COULD WALK AWAY WITH ONE 17 SIDING ALL DAY LONG, SO THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.

UM, HIS HARDY SHINGLE IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA FLY IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM.

BUT, UM, SO COMMISSIONER RENO COULD SPEAK MORE.

PARDON, RIGHT, ? YEAH.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST EARLIER.

BEFORE THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM, UM, MAYBE 30% OF, OF GLAZING TO ZERO IS, IS A BIT EXTREME.

AND IF THERE, LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING, IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE IN BETWEEN THERE, THAT THERE ARE, UM, THERE IS A COLLECTION OF WINDOWS AT THE, AT THE TOP DON'T NECESSARILY NEED, YOU KNOW, FIVE ON EVERY ELEVATION.

BUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A GESTURE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE WINDOWS PLACED UP THERE, THEY CAN BE GANGED TOGETHER.

THAT'S, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.

UM, AND THEN AT THE GROUND LEVEL THAT THERE IS SOME, AGAIN, FENESTRATION THERE, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WALL TO WALL WINDOWS, BUT THAT THERE IS SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF, UH, OF LIVING SPACE INSIDE.

YEAH, I, I KNOW YOU DO HAVE THE VERY LARGE, UM, SLIDING DOORS ON, ON ONE SIDE, BUT, UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, UM, TO REINTRODUCE AT LEAST PARTIAL, AT LEAST SOME QUANTITY OF, OF WINDOW OR WINDOWS.

OKAY.

ON THE OTHER ELEVATIONS WHERE THEY'RE GONE.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I HAVE ONE.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, GO AHEAD.

UH, YES, UM, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE SIDING.

UH, IT APPEARS THAT THE REAR PIECE IS VERY OLD, MAYBE THE ORIGINAL OR VERY OLD.

AND ALSO THE EXISTING HOUSE IS COVERED WITH ASBESTOS SIDING.

HAVE YOU PEEKED BEHIND THE SIDE TO SEE WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE AND ON THIS ADDITION TO SEE WHAT SIDING WAS THERE HISTORICALLY? UM, UH, ON THE BOTTOM THERE'S A, A, A SKIRT.

THERE'S A SKIRT AROUND AND LOOKS LIKE UNDERNEATH THAT IS LIKE A SIX INCH, UM, WIDE SIDING.

AND THEN I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY THE ONE 17 SIDING ABOVE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO TAKE A LITTLE PEEK BEHIND THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE, UM, THE TOWER ON THE BACK, BECAUSE I, YOU'D BE SURPRISED THAT THAT WOOD MAY HAVE BEEN COVERED FOR MANY YEARS AND IT MAY BE IN GOOD SHAPE.

YOU'RE NOT ASKING AT THIS TIME TO TAKE THE SIDING OFF THE MAIN HOUSE.

IS THAT WILL BE A FUTURE, THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE PHASE.

YEAH.

A FUTURE PHASE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE SITE, THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE ENTIRE HOUSE, EXPOSING THE NOVELTY SIDING, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PREPPING AND REPAINTING THAT.

BUT THAT WOULD BE A ANOTHER PHASE.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

MY CONCERN IS THAT WE, WE LOOK AT WHAT MAIN HOUSE AND THAT ADDITION SO THAT WE DON'T DO SOME SIDING ON THE TOWER.

THAT DOESN'T BE, IT IS NOT OF THE HOUSE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET IT ALL TOGETHER SO THAT IT ALL MATCHES IF IT DID.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, ARE YOU READY? YES.

UM, IN THE MATTER OF EIGHT SIX, I CA 2 34 DASH 3 48 MWI MOVE, UM, THAT WE FOLLOW TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE ALL ITEMS, UM, WITH THE FINDING THE FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA CRITERIA, UM, THOSE BEING, UM,

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RETRACT ONE SECTION A WITH RESPECT TO BUILDING FORM AND TREATMENT FOR ADDITIONS, ALL ADDITIONS TO A BUILDING MUST MADE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DOMINANT HORIZONTAL OR VER VERTICAL CHARACTERISTICS, MATERIALS AND DETAILING OF THE BUILDING.

AND NUMBER 10, FACADE MATERIALS.

IN GENERAL, THE ORIGINAL PERMITTED FACADE MATERIALS AT BRICK WOOD SIDE AND CUT STONE STUCCO.

AND, UM, THAT EXISTING WOOD FACADES MUST BE PRESERVED AS WOOD FACADES AND SECRETARY INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.

WHICH STATE NUMBER TWO, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A PROPERTY SHALL BE RETAINED AND PRESERVED.

AND NUMBER SIX, DETERIORATED HISTORIC FEATURE SHALL BE REPAIRED RATHER THAN REPLACED TO NUMBER NINE, EXTERIOR ALTERATION SHALL NOT DESTROY HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT CHARACTERIZE THE PROPERTY.

I SECOND WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

I SECOND.

WAS THAT SECOND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS THE SECOND ON HERE MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.

ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

IT APPEARS TO BE UNANIMOUS.

NOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU RECEIVE ANY SORT OF, OF DENIAL WITH, WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR ANY SORT OF DENIAL, YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO CPC, SIR FOR A FEE.

BUT IT WOULD BE, AS YOU ALREADY UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE CLEARLY STAFF PREPPED YOU FOR, FOR OUR POSSIBLE CONCERNS, WHAT'S MUCH BETTER IS TO DEPEND, DO WORK WITH STAFF, LET THEM HELP YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE LIKELY TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH HERE SURE.

AND GET OUR APPROVAL.

THAT WOULD WORK OUT FASTER AND CHEAPER FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED, I THINK.

OKAY.

SO I GOT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU COME BACK AND, AND SO THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR HOUSE THE WAY YOU WANT AND STILL WITHIN NEW ORDINANCE.

RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS OUR, OUR MOST FUN ONE TODAY.

SORRY IF YOURS IS NOT RULE THE MOST FUN.

BUT THE MOST FUN IS THE, UM, THE POSSIBLE INITIATION OF QUEEN CITY .

SO, AND THAT IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX.

SO LET'S LET DR. DUNN LEAD IN WHAT SHE NEEDS TO THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS DR.

RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM D SIX, WHICH IS THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS TO ESTABLISH A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY CONSTITUTING A SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 9 5, AN AREA KNOWN AS THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.

GENERALLY BOUNDED BY STATE HIGHWAY THREE 10, ALSO KNOWN AS SM, RIGHT.

FREEWAY WARREN AVENUE, MALCOLM X BOULEVARD, AND EUGENE STREET.

THANK YOU DR. DUNN.

WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS.

I'M JUST INUNDATING THE PAPER.

ALSO, THEY DROPPED OFF FOR THOSE WHO COULDN'T ATTEND TODAY.

13 LETTERS OF SUPPORT IN ADDITION TO THE SEVEN YOU ALREADY HAVE.

THEY'VE BEEN COMING IN ALL WEEKEND TOO.

SO CLEARLY THEY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO PUT DOWN IN WRITING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS.

SO SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY SPEAKERS, I'M GONNA LET YOU SELF CHOOSE WHO'S FIRST.

'CAUSE I COULDN'T POSSIBLY KNOW WHO SHOULD GO FIRST, SO, OR I COULD PICK ONE FOR YOU.

, IF YOU DUNNO.

SOMEBODY STAND UP AND GO FIRST.

MY NAME IS EVA JONES AND I STILL NEED YOUR ADDRESS.

AND DO I NEED A PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT JUDICIAL.

WELL, YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH JUST SO YOU WILL.

OKAY.

I USE BOTH HANDS.

UM, EVA JONES, 2333 EUGENE STREET AND THE WONDERFUL COMMUNITY CALLED SOUTH DALLAS.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

I FIRST WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME PEOPLE THAT TOOK OUT THEIR TIME TODAY IN SUPPORT OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

UH, WE HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS, EX ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, CITY COUNCIL PERSON, MAYOR OF SOUTH DALLAS, MS. DIANE RAGSDALE.

THEN WE HAVE A HISTORIAN BY THE NAME OF MS. WILLIE MAE COLEMAN.

SHE'S HERE TODAY AT 90 YEARS OLD TO TELL US, UH, TO GIVE A YES, PLEASE GIVE HER A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.

I CALL HER MY PERSONAL HISTORIAN.

AND THEN WE HAVE REPRESENTATION OF LEGACY FAMILY.

THESE FAMILIES ARE FROM PHYSICIANS

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THAT LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE, UH, MS. PAT PATRICIA SUNDAY, WHO'S, UH, GRANDFATHER FATHER STARTED, UH, ON MALCOLM X BOULEVARD AND WAS THERE, THAT HOUSE IS STILL THERE.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER HISTORICAL PIECE OF LAND.

DR. DUNN, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

UH, ALSO WE HAVE DR. WEST WHO, WHOSE GRANDDAUGHTER IS HERE.

AND HE WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN HOLISTIC DOCTOR IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

HIS NAME WAS DOC WEST.

HIS GRANDDAUGHTER'S NAME IS TERESA GARRETT.

WE HAVE HER.

THERESA, YOU WANNA STAND UP FOR US? WE ALSO ARE REPRESENTED BY, OKAY.

WE HAVE CINDY WALKER, SIDNEY'S FAMILY, AS WELL AS A LEGACY FAMILY.

AND SHE PRESENTLY IS THE PRECINCT CHAIR OF, UH, THE DISTRICT, WHICH EMBODIES QUEEN CITY WHERE SHE RESIDES.

AND SHE OFTEN WALKS HER DOG AND SHE AND HER HANG OUT A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN I ALSO WANNA SAY, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS, I WOULD BE REMISS TO NOT TALK ABOUT THE CITY STAFF AND ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR US.

AND WE HAVE MR. PATRICK BLADES, WE HAVE MS. LINDSEY JACKSON, UH, LINDSEY.

I, I MEAN, I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE TODAY.

OH, MISS TABITHA, REAGAN, WHEELER.

REAGAN.

OH MY GOSH.

THAT'S THE BIG BALL.

SHE CAN SAY YES OR NO ON ALL THIS.

OKAY.

I MISS YOU.

OKAY.

SO AT, WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TAKEN OUT THEIR TIME, I SEE MASAKI MILTON, WHO WAS ON CHANNEL FIVE THIS MORNING TO TALK.

OKAY.

EXCUSE ME.

I SEE MY TIME'S UP.

OKAY, THERE YOU GO.

MADAM SHERIFF.

UM, I PROPOSE THAT THE SPEAKER HAVE ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.

SECOND.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ENOUGH GAS FOR THREE MORE, BUT , NOW WE HAVE TO VOTE.

I DO WANNA, I, OH, I, I ALSO WANNA SAY THAT FOREST FORWARD IS HERE AND FOREST FORWARD IS, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROJECT THAT WE HAVE WORKING IN SOUTH DALLAS.

AND WE HAVE, UH, OUR COMMUNITY LIAISON PERSON HERE, MS. LA CHERYL WALKER.

I MEAN, I COULD JUST CONTINUOUSLY GO HAVE I CALLED EVERYBODY NAME AND, AND I WOULD REALLY BE IN TROUBLE IF I DID NOT INTRODUCE AND SAY THANK YOU TO FIRST OF ALL, MY HUSBAND MR. NORRIS JONES.

AND SECONDLY TO, UM, DR.

REVEREND TODD ATKINS, WHOSE FATHER IS DANELLE ATKINS.

OKAY, LOOK, LOOK WHO ELSE BE RECOGNIZ.

OKAY, I QUIT Y'ALL.

UH, I'M GONNA CALL UP MS. WILLIE MC COLEMAN NEXT.

IF EVERYBODY ELSE CAN JUST TAKE A BREAK.

OKAY.

MS. COLEMAN, OH, MISS EPI MEADOWS, OH LORD, A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I'M LOOKING AT THEM.

ROSE GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

WE AS A COMMUNITY, WE WORK TOGETHER.

UH, IF ROSE GARDENS HAS A PROJECT, THEY COME, WE SUPPORT THEM.

UH, REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S, UH, DIANE RAYDALE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE OVER THERE DIPPING IN THAT.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU COULD CALL US NOSY OR YOU COULD CALL US IN LOVE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE ALL IN LOVE, A GREAT COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN.

LOVE IT.

THANK YOU.

THAT WAS VERY NICE AT HOUSE.

AMEN.

, MS. COLEMAN.

MY NAME IS WILLIE MAY COLEMAN AND I LIVE AT 38 0 2 YORK STREET, DALLAS, 7 5 2 1 OH.

I LIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN.

I AM A, UM, THE ER PERSON FOR THE BERTRAND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

I STARTED ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO, BUT AS A CHILD, I GREW UP IN QUEEN CITY ALL MY LIFE.

MY SISTER WAS BORN THERE IN

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1939.

AND SO IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I CAN REMEMBER WHAT THIS BUILDING WAS.

IT WAS A HAYDEN HOTEL.

SO NOW, WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD KNOW ABOUT A HOTEL QUEEN CITY? UH, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY NICE THAT HOTEL, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG PEOPLE STAYED.

WE DIDN'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOTELS.

BUT IN THIS BUILDING WAS A GROCERY STORE ON THE CORNER.

NEXT TO THAT WAS MR. DUMMY HAD A SHOE SHOP.

DURING MY TIME AS A CHILD, PEOPLE HAD SHOE SHOP.

'CAUSE WE HAD DID A LOT OF HALF SOLD IN AND REPAIRING TO OUR SHOES.

AND SO MR. DUMMY HAD A SHOE SHOP NEXT TO MR. DUMMY WAS MR. WALTON HAD A BIG BODY SHOP AND HE MADE HIS BOYS AND ALL CUT HAIR IN THERE WITH HIM.

AND SO THIS WAS A LIVE, LIVE CORNER.

THE GROCERY STORE AND THE HOTEL AND THE BOBBY SHOP AND MR. DUMMY, MR. DUMMY WITH THE SHOE SHOP.

WE LOVED ALL OF THAT.

SO THIS HAS BEEN, UH, A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE LOVE TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH ON OUR HOUSE.

WE LOVE PORCHES.

IT DON'T HAVE TO BE A VERY BIG PORCH, BUT WE LIKE A PORCH ON OUR HOUSE.

UH, I GOT A VERY SMALL PORCH AND I PUT FLOWERS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, ON THE PORCH.

I CAN GO OUTSIDE AND SIT THERE.

I CAN SIT ON THE OUTSIDE.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT MAKE OUR HOMES LOOK GOOD AND FEEL GOOD.

AND WHEN THEY START BUILDING HOUSES WHERE THEY HAVE NO FRONT DOOR, I MEAN, NO, NO, UH, JUST THE FRONT DOOR, YOU GO IN, THAT'S IT.

AND IT'S OVER.

UH, THAT'S SO UNFAIR.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THEY'RE SCARED OF US OR THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.

UH, THEY JUST WANNA HIDE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND INSIDE OF 'EM, THEY'RE SO UNCOMFORTABLE.

THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN CLOSETS.

DON'T BELIEVE IN DINING ROOMS. , YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE MAN TOLD ME.

HE SAID, TAKE YOUR CLOTHES AND THROW 'EM OVER IN THE CORNER.

THAT'S SO UNFAIR.

OR BUY RACK.

NOW I'M GONNA LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT HAS NO DINING ROOM AND NO CLOSET.

THAT'S WRONG.

BUT I, I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL LET US HAVE THIS BUILD THIS PLACE OVER THERE DESIGNATED FOR US.

'CAUSE WE LOVE QUEEN CITY AND, UH, WE LOVE FAIRGROUND.

SO, UH, THAT SAID, ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS FROM ME? THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM.

THAT WAS CHARMING.

AND I TOO PREFER TO HAVE CLOSETS.

CLOSETS ARE GOOD.

.

UM, YOU CAN HIDE STUFF IN THEM.

OKAY.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? IT'S UP TO Y'ALL.

YOU DON'T NEED AN .

OKAY.

REVEREND AK, IT'S 39 18 CROSIER STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.

AS THE PASTOR OF SALEM INSTITUTION OF BAPTIST CHURCH THAT WAS RECEIVED THIS HISTORICAL DESIGNATION FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS ABOUT TWO OR A YEAR AGO, UH, WE ARE SO HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

WE HAVE SEEN OUR COMMUNITY RAPIDLY TRANSFORM AWAY FROM THE CHARACTER THAT IT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY.

UM, MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED AROUND THE CORNER FROM OUR CHURCH ON LAIMA.

AND TO SEE THOSE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE KNOWN ALL OF MY LIFE, TO SEE THOSE HOUSES TRANSITION TO HOUSES THAT TOWER OVER THEIR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS.

SO I AM GLAD THAT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN ONE THAT HAS STARTED ON THE GROUND AND CONTINUE.

WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS THE HOMEOWNERS.

AS YOU KNOW, IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE NOT ONLY HAVE OUR RENTERS, BUT WE HAVE OUR HOMEOWNERS AS WELL.

AND SO WE HAVE ENGAGED THEM PUBLICLY AND PRIVATE.

I GUESS MY VOICE IS SO BOOMING.

I'M BREAKING YOUR SYSTEM .

SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

UH, THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT SO THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN DIRECT AND CONTROL OUR OWN VISION.

WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS AND WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

THIS IS NOT A ONE PERSON PROJECT, NO INITIATIVE, BUT IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY REALLY RALLYING AS FOR TWO YEARS.

IT'S IN THE, OH, IT, I DIDN'T BREAK IT.

I'M NOT GOING BUY IT.

BUT, UM, THIS IS A TECHNICAL ISSUE.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A HUMAN.

UM, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE ON NEARBY THAT'S PICKING YOU UP AND ME,

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IT'S THE FRAME.

OH, I THINK, OH, OKAY.

WE HAVE A HARD CITY STAFF.

OH, I AM THE SOMEBODY I'M TALKING.

SO AGAIN, I I I REALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.

WE REALLY HAVE, FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.

WE'VE HAD MEETINGS AT THE SALEM CHURCH AS WELL AS, UH, PORCH MEETINGS WITH OUR NEIGHBOR TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS A PART OF THIS PROCESS AND NOT TRYING TO, UH, RAM THIS PROJECT TO.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO HELP US CONTROL THE DESTINY OF OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE HAVE GROWN UP WITH AND LOVE CONTINUES TO BE A CHARACTER THAT WE CAN PASS DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND WHOEVER, WHOEVER IS NEXT, AND BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY WHO SPEAKS OR SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ARE NOW APPOINTED EMISSARIES TO GO OUT AND TALK TO ALL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS AND MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

AND HOPEFULLY SHARE YOUR ENTHUSIASM.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS TABITHA WHEELER REAGAN, AND MY ADDRESS IS 44 12 SOUTH MALCOLM X, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

UM, I GET TO BE HONORABLE TO BE IN SOUTH DALLAS 47 YEARS.

I'VE LIVED IN OTHER PLACES, BUT 18 OUT OF EVERY HOUR I'VE ALWAYS SPENT IN SOUTH DALLAS.

I AM A BUNTON NATIVE.

YOU KNOW, QUEEN CITY IS RIGHT UP THERE WHERE BUNTON IS A NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTH DALLAS AND WHAT WE CALL SOUTH DALLAS IS AN ISLAND.

OFTENTIMES PEOPLE COME TO DO BUSINESS IN SOUTH DALLAS AND REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IN SOUTH DALLAS IS A ISLAND WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IT WORKS WITHIN, EVERYONE WORKS TOGETHER.

SO JUST BECAUSE YOU SENT A NOTICE TO ONE ADDRESS DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY PART OF SOUTH DALLAS WON'T SHOW UP TO YOUR MEETING AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.

UM, SO, SO YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU DEAL WITH QUEEN CITY DOES NOT MEAN YOU DON'T DEAL WITH MILL CITY OR .

SOMEBODY'S IN THE ROOM FROM EVERYWHERE.

UM, I GOT TO HONOR TO ALSO SERVE AS A CO-CHAIR ON THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN.

AND QUEEN CITY WAS THE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS WITH PREDOMINANTLY HOUSES THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF FIVE AREAS THAT WE WERE GONNA BE HAVE OUR FOCUS AREA.

SO EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING SPOKEN TODAY ALIGNS WITH THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLANNING TASK FORCE, UM, AGENDA.

IN SAYING THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE IN HISTORICAL AREA.

UM, I ALSO HA WAS GIVEN, I ALSO WENT TO SCHOOL AND BECAME A DRAFTER, BUT BEFORE THAT I ALWAYS LOVED ARCHITECTURE AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND NEIGHBORHOODS BACK AND FORTH.

BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS OF NEIGHBORHOODS IS WHAT MAKE THEM.

WE TRAVEL THE WORLD TO LOOK AT GREECE.

WE GO TO ATHENS, WE GO TO EVERY, ALL THESE PLACES, AND WE SEE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT HAS BEEN PRESERVED FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

WHEN WE GET TO THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS, WE LOSE OUR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS.

WE ARE, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF PLACES OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT HAS ALREADY RECEIVED HISTORICAL DESIGNATION AND TO JUST PUT WINDOWS IN IS THEY HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE TO KEEP THEIR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN NEXT DOOR TO QUEEN CITY.

AND THEIR SISTER NEIGHBORHOOD IS WEEKLY PLACED BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD THAT WHEN COVID HIT AND, AND GENTRIFICATION STARTED REAMING THROUGH THE CITY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, THEY WERE PROTECTED JUST ACROSS THE STREET.

QUEEN CITY WAS NOT, UM, A PART OF SPEECH, BUT I KNOW HOW SPEECHES ARE THEY SOMETIMES YOU DO.

UM, IN RECENT YEARS, THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN GRAPPLING WITH THE CHALLENGE OF PRESERVING ITS HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE INTEGRITY.

AMIDST THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT ARE DEEMED INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE TRADITIONAL AESTHETICS OF THE AREA, THE HONORABLE DIANE RAGSDALE HAS DESCRIBED IT AS GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.

UM, IT SAID, UM, QUEEN CITY, THIS OOH, MY, MY MIND, MY MIND.

HOLD ON.

THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE TO READ .

THE SITE BEING LISTED AS A NATIONAL HISTORICAL OVERLAY, THE ABSENCE OF THE CITY HISTORICAL OVERLAY HAS LEFT A NEIGHBORHOOD VULNERABLE TO CHANGES THAT COULD ERO ITS CHARACTER, DESIGNATING IT AS ONE OF FIVE FOCUS AREAS IN THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE.

QUEEN CITY FINDS ITSELF AT A CROSSROAD WHERE FORCES OF GENTRIFICATION THREATENED TO RESHAPE ITS LANDSCAPE, IRREVERSIBLE WITHOUT THE PROTECTION AND THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY THE CITY HISTORICAL OVERLAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I IDENT.

I OKAY, THANK YOU MA'AM.

NEXT UP.

HI THERE.

UH, AS EVA INTRODUCED ME, I'M THE PRECINCT CHAIR, UH, FOR SOUTH DALLAS 30 18 PREDOMINANTLY ENCOMPASSES QUEEN CITY.

AND YOUR NAME

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AND ADDRESS, MA'AM.

SIDNEY WALKER.

UH, 2245 JORDAN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.

THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER.

UH, AS SOMEONE WHO GREW UP HERE, MUCH LIKE TABITHA IN SOUTH DALLAS, UH, I REMEMBER, UM, SOUTH DALLAS AT HIS ZEN, EVEN THOUGH MY AUNTS AND UNCLE WOULD ARGUE OTHERWISE.

AND THEN I ALSO WATCHED IT FALL, UM, IN THE NINETIES WHEN DRUGS STARTED RAVAGING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I ALSO REMEMBER WHEN THE HONORABLE RAGSDALE WAS CITY COUNCILWOMAN.

ALSO, REMEMBER THE BREAK CHANGES THAT STARTED HAPPENING WHEN THE DE SEE CAROLYN DAVIS WAS IN OFFICE AND WE BECAME AN AREA OF MORE EMPTY LOTS THAN HOUSES.

THE HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WORKED VERY HARD AND DILIGENTLY TO HOLD ON TO MY GREAT GREAT GRANDMOTHER'S HOME WHERE KIRKWOOD TEMPLE, CMV THAT IS ON 67TH IS FOUNDED AND IT MOVED TO A LOT NEXT DOOR ON JORDAN STREET AND FINALLY TO METROPOLITAN AVENUE.

THAT USED TO BE THE MOVIE THEATER THERE ON THE CORNER OF OCTAVIA AND METROPOLITAN BEFORE IT MOVED.

I HAVE RAISED ONE KID AT THE PARK SOUTH YMCA WHERE SHE LEARNED HOW TO SWIM.

AND A SON HAD FOUND OUT HE WAS A SOCIAL BUTTERFLY BECAUSE SHE WAS THERE FOR SUMMER CAMP.

I HAVE WALKED MULTIPLE DOGS.

YOU MAY REMEMBER WHEN, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN YOU MOVED IN ON SOUTH BOULEVARD.

I HAD A HUSKY BACK THEN, AND NOW I HAVE A RIDGEBACK WHO IS COINED TEAM DOG FOR MAYOR.

SO SHE CALLS HERSELF THE MAYOR OF DALLAS AND SHE LISTENS TO EVERYTHING THAT MAMA HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DALLAS AND ALSO THE HISTORY OF SOUTH DALLAS.

I AM THE SECOND YOUNGEST, OLDEST PERSON FROM HIS COMMUNITY HERE TODAY.

MY SON HAS CAUSED THE NEW ARCHITECTURE MINECRAFT HOUSES.

THAT IS NOT WHAT SOUTH DALLAS WAS.

AND I WANNA PAY HOMAGE TO THE HONORABLE DIANE RAGSDALE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THIS.

WHEN I SEE DC STARTED BUILDING HOMES, I USED TO GO WITH 'EM AND LOOK AT 'EM AND IT FELT LIKE HOME.

IT FELT LIKE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT FELT LIKE OTHER NEIGHBORS HOMES THAT I HAD GONE INTO AS A CHILD.

AND NOW I GET WE DO NEED SOME MODERNNESS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW MINECRAFT.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US WHO ARE STILL THERE.

UM, I'M ALWAYS BEGGING PEOPLE TO MOVE BACK INTO SOUTH DALLAS.

I WAS BEGGING WHEN LOTS WERE GOING, UH, ON SALE ON THE COUNTY AUCTION FOR $250 A LOT AND NOW THEY'RE OVER 50,000, UH, A LOT.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS DESIGNATION.

IT'S IMPORTANT AS A FOURTH GENERATION PERSON IN SOUTH DALLAS.

AND I HAVE TWO CHILDREN WITH EIGHT YEARS BETWEEN.

THAT IS YOUR TIME, MA'AM, THAT THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE THE HISTORY AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT UP WE KNOW YOUR NAME, BUT SAY IT ANYWAY.

AND YOUR ADDRESS BEG PARDON? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NAME IS DIANE RAGSDALE, 36 11 DUNBAR STREET, DALLAS, 67 5 2 1 5.

I LIVE, UH, IN RESIDE, BORN AND RAISED LIVE IN, UH, FIT WHEATLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT ADJACENT TO, UH, QUEEN CITY.

THE QUESTION IS, WHY SHOULD QUEEN CITY BE DESIGNATED, UH, AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT IF AFRICAN AMERICAN, IF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORIAN AND SOCIOLOGIST DR.

WEB DU BOIS WERE ALIVE, HE WOULD GIVE US THE PRECISE ANSWER.

THAT ANSWER IS THE CULTURE AND SOULS OF BLACK FOLKS EMBODY THE HISTORIC PLACES.

WE PRESERVE THE CULTURE AND SOULS OF BLACK FOLK EMBODY THE HISTORIC PLACES WE PRESERVE.

IT IS OUR DUTY TO MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO PRESERVE AND REVITALIZE TREASURED BLACK SPACES LIKE QUEEN CITY SPACES WHERE BLACK PEOPLE HAVE LIVED SINCE 1880.

WE'VE GOT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHAT THOSE WHO WHO CAME BEFORE US DID TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE FOR SOUTH DALLAS QUEEN CITY RESIDENCE.

ANOTHER REASON THAT, THAT WE NEED THIS DESIGNATION AND IT HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW HOMES ARE COMPATIBLE, WHICH WOULD HELP TO PREVENT DISPLACEMENT,

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WHICH CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE.

RIGHT NOW, THE ISSUE OF GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT.

ACCORDING TO BRENT LEGS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE HERITAGE FUND, WE MUST OFFER TOOLS THAT CAN HELP A SOCIETY MANAGE CHANGE IN WAYS THAT DO NOT DISCONNECT IT FROM THE LEGACY OF ITS PAST.

WE MUST OFFER TOOLS THAT CAN HELP A SOCIETY MANAGE CHANGE.

WE KNOW CHANGE IS THERE, BUT IT SHOULD BE DONE IN WAYS THAT DO NOT DISCONNECT IT FROM THE LEGACY OF OUR PAST.

THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTS OF MANY PLACES AND INDIVIDUALS OF SIGNIFICANCE, SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN STATED.

OF COURSE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 17.

WELL-DESIGNED BEAUTIFUL HOMES, UH, ON ROW MINE, UH, WAS BUILT AND SOLD EXCLUSIVELY TO AFRICAN AMERICANS.

THE HISTORY OF PARK SOUTH Y CANNOT BE TOLD WITHOUT THE LEGACY OF BEST.

HANNAH WALLACE, AN AFRICAN AMERICAN BORN IN 1912 ON THE VERY CORNER OF THE, UH, OH OF THE VERY CORNER THE PARK SOUTH SITS ON TODAY.

MS. WALLACE STEPPED UP AND DONATED THAT LAND TO PARK SOUTH WHITE.

IT'S BEEN STATED BY SISTER COLEMAN ABOUT THE LEWIS HAYDEN GROCERY STORE BUILT IN 1925 BY MR. HAYDEN.

IT'S BEEN STATED PER ABOUT THE CHURCHES THAT EXIST ST.

PAUL A ME IN 1902, MY MORALE BAPTIST IN ST.

JOHN PEMBERTON IN IN 1904.

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