[Landmark Commission Meeting on June 3, 2024]
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ALRIGHT, IT'S, IT IS JUNE 3RD, UH, 2024.
THE TIME IS 1 0 5 AND I'M CALLING TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UH, MY NAME IS EVELYN MONTGOMERY.
I'M THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND OUR VICE-CHAIR, COMMISSIONER COURTNEY POLICY WHO IS PRESENT HERE.
AND WE DO HAVE A, UM, A FORUM OF COMMISSIONERS PRESENT BOTH HERE AND ONLINE.
SO IF ELAINE WOULD PLEASE, UM, TAKE THE ROLL CALL.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE MEETING STARTED AT 1:05 PM THAT'S WHAT I SAID, ISN'T IT? YOU SAID ONE O'CLOCK?
COMMISSIONER OSA WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER COX? PRESENT? DISTRICT 11.
COMMISSIONER GATE DISTRICT 12.
COMMISSIONER POSI WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
OKAY, WELL WE HAVE 15 RIGHT NOW WITHOUT, I SEE COMMISSIONER TAYLOR AS WELL.
WOULD WE CALL COUNTRY? PARDON ME? OKAY, SO WE HAVE REQUESTED WHETHER ANYBODY IS HERE TO SPEAK ON ANY MATTER OTHER THAN OUR AGENDA ITEMS, AND THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE THE CASE.
UM, SO COMMISSIONER FELLY, DO YOU HAVE, UH, SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE REGARDING THE ORDERING AND CARRYING OUT OF OUR AGENDA? UH, YES.
FIRST, UM, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT CONSENT TO ITEM ONE, WHICH JUST ONE YOU HAVE TO
WELL, USUALLY YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR REORDERING.
WELL, THEY'RE STILL FILLING OUT THOUGH.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR THAT PARTICULAR DISCUSSION ITEM, BUT THEY'RE DUE THIS BIG, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST WAITING.
OKAY, SO THEY'RE DOING CONSENT ITEM ONE.
SO, UH, FIRST I MOVE TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, CONSENT ITEM.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP CONSENT ITEM FIVE, AND THAT IS, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT.
ITEM FIVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE SPECIFICATION OF THE USE OF W2 8, 3 8 POLISHED MAHOGANY IN LIEU OF THE TRICO BLACK.
AND WOULD THE CONDITION THAT THE CAP ON THE COLUMN BASIS BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE COLUMN? I, I, I, THAT WASN'T A PART OF THE, UM, DISCUSSION THAT I REMEMBER.
THE ONLY ONE THAT I REMEMBER WAS TRIONE BLACK.
BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, THEN I, I'D PREFER TO JUST WITHDRAW MINE AND HAVE YOU DO.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN, JUST SO WE HAVE A, I HAVE TO SAY
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IT AGAIN.YEAH, YOU HAVE TO SAY THE WHOLE THING THAT YOU WANT SO THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT RECORD THAT, UH, CONSENT ITEM FIVE BE APPROVED FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS THAT THE TRICORE BLACK OPTION IS DISALLOWED.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE CAP ON THE COLUMN BASIS BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE COLUMNS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER.
SP ALL THOSE IN FAVOR THAT THERE'S NO DISCUSSION? AYE, AYE.
SO IT WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHERMAN AND EXECUTIVE BY COMMISSIONER.
SP WE'LL TRY TO, TRY TO DO BETTER.
I THINK I SEE MORE PEOPLE ENTERING THE ROOM.
EVERYBODY'S GOT TO FILL OUT ONE OF THESE IF THEY'RE GOING TO SPEAK.
ALL RIGHT, MR. PEL, NEXT, UH, MOVE TO APPROVED CONSENT ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERMAN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS? AYE.
SO THAT LEAVES US ONLY WITH, UH, CONSENT THAT ADAM SIX.
SO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING CONSENT, EXCUSE ME, ITEM SIX TO THE DISCUSSION.
SO I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGED OUR, UH, AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE COURTESY REVIEW FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEM SIX.
THEN WE'LL TAKE UP DISCUSSION ITEM SIX, FOLLOWED BY THOSE SIGNING UP PREVIOUSLY, UH, IN PERSON DISCUSSION ITEMS THREE, DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, THEN DISCUSSION ITEM ONE FOLLOWED BY WHAT'S LEFT? I THINK IT'S JUST TWO LEFT, UH, TWO AND FIVE, OR NO, EXCUSE ME, FIVE.
SO THAT, UH, AGAIN, THAT, YEAH, UH, THE ORDER WOULD BE THE COURTESY REVIEW FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEM SIX.
THEN DISCUSSION ITEM SIX, THEN IN PERSON SPEAKERS THAT SIGNED UP PREVIOUSLY.
DISCUSSION THAT ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, FIVE AND TWO SECOND.
AND WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT? IS THAT MITCHELL LIVINGTON? OKAY.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THEN THAT IS THE, UM, ORDER IN WHICH WE WILL FOLLOW.
WHICH MEANS WE ARE READY FOR OUR COURTESY REVIEW.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SPEAKER IS.
I DON'T THINK THE SPEAKER OR THE APPLICANT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, GIVE
WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
WE DO LIKE TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT DURING COURTESY REVIEW, BUT LET'S ASK STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE COURTESY REVIEW ITEM IS CR ONE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 18 BERGER AVENUE.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH 0 1 8 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
IN THE ABSENCE OF THE APPLICANT HERE TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE THINK OF THEIR PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WILL LATER COME BACK TO US AS AN ACTIVE, UM, REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST FOR THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS TO
SO, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER
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ANDERSON, UH, YES, I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY ADD A BEAM EXPRESSION ON THE FRONT PORCH.A BEAM EXPRESSION IS A, THE FASCIA BOARD AND IT'S, IT'S A BEAM TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT COLUMNS SIT ON TOP, UM, ON, SO IT, IT'S A KIND OF A STRUCTURAL PIECE CALLED THE BEAM EXPRESSION, WHICH IS BASICALLY A FASCIA BOARD ABOVE THE COLUMNS.
ALRIGHT, SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS ALSO THE TASK FORCE'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT THERE SHOULD BE THAT FASCIA BOARD AND YES, AND IT, IT HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING HOLDING UP TO APPARENTLY
SO, SO, UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF THE APPLICANT, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT STAFF WOULD, WOULD HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SUGGESTION WAS.
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, YES, I HAD A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS.
UM, ONE IS THAT THE FOUNDATION, UM, IS ONLY COVERED ON THE FIRST OR RATHER ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT'S ALSO COVERED ON THE, THE SIDES AS WELL, UM, WITH THE, THE SAME WOOD SIDING, UH, SO THAT IT LOOKS CONSISTENT AROUND THE PERIMETER.
UM, I AGREE WITH, UM, UH, UH, UH, SHOOT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S, UH, SUGGESTION ABOUT A, A FREEZE BOARD, UH, TO HELP SEPARATE THE, UM, THE GABLE AND HELP IT REST ON THE, THE COLUMNS.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE, JUST THE SIZE OF THE BRACKETS.
UH, I BELIEVE SOMETHING IN 16 INCHES OR SO WOULD, WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS UNDERNEATH THE PORCH.
THEY ARE, THERE'S NOT REALLY VERY MUCH WALL LEFT AROUND THAT CORNER, IN PARTICULAR ON THE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE FRONT EL THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UM, AND UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY SUGGESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
COMMISSIONER RENE, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I'M NOT HEARING FROM ANYBODY.
I THINK OUR CONSENSUS WAS THIS WAS A PRETTY GOOD EFFORT AT DESIGNING A NEW INFO HOME TO GO INTO AN EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND WE CERTAINLY HOPE TO, UM, SEE IT COME BACK AS AN ACTUAL REQUEST.
I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD AT SOME POINT WITH FILLING IN THAT EMPTY LOT WITH AN ICE HOUSE.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT STEP WILL BE C SIX AND WE NEED STAFF TO READ THAT IN AND THAT I BELIEVE WE HAD SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY, HOPEFULLY MAYBE UPDATE THAT PERSON LOCKED UP ITEM.
ITEM C SIX IS LOCATED AT FOUR 16 SOUTH CLINTON AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 48 MW.
AND I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING FOR STAFF REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE REAR TOWER.
ADDITION ITEM NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO MATCH EXISTING SIX.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THREE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE TOWER EDITION.
THE REAR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND REAR OF, AND PART OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH HARDY SHINGLE STAGGERED PANEL.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR IN THE EAST SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS
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IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS, THE ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING IN IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.SECTION 51 P 87.11 A 17 F ROMAN THREE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO MATCH EXISTING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOW BE ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P 87 1 1 1 A 17 F ROMAN THREE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THREE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 4 21 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS B ALL WOOD WITH NO CLADDING I IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P 87.111 A 17 F ROMAN THREE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE TOWER EDITION, THE REAR OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND PART OF THE SIDE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH HARDY SHINGLES STAGGERED PANEL BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWING SOME MATERIALS DATED 4.2, I'M SORRY, 4 21 24, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE PROPOSED WORK IS OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE RUSS PETERS LISTED AS A SPEAKER ON THIS ONE.
OH, WE DO NEED SOMEONE TO DO THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER WILL ONCE AGAIN HELP US WITH THAT AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. PETER.
TEST COURSE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE REAR TOWER EDITION.
NEED A WINDOW SURVEY DOCUMENTING WINDOW CONDITION, REMOVING TOO MUCH HISTORIC FABRIC, MODERNIZING TOO MUCH, PERHAPS EXTEND EDITION TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A SLIDING DOOR ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER.
ADDITION, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NEED A WINDOW SURVEY DOCUMENTING RANDOM CONDITION, SAME COMMENTS AS ABOVE, REMOVING TO HISTORIC FABRIC, MODERNIZING TOO MUCH.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL THE SLIDING DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE REAR TOWER.
NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE TWO HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
NEED A WINDOW SURVEY DOCUMENTING WINDOW CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO MATCH EXISTING BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NUMBER SIX, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THREE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NEED A WINDOW SURVEY, SAME COMMENTS AS ABOVE.
NUMBER SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE NORTHEAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE TOWER.
ADDITION THE REAR MAIN STRUCTURE AND PART OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH PARTY SHINGLE.
STAGGERED PANEL BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE HARDY SIDING.
WOOD SIDING IS BETTER THAN SHINGLES.
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PARDON? WE HE WAS JUST REMINDING ME OF EVERYTHING.ALL RIGHT, MR. PETERS, FIRST OFF, I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SWEAR, AFFIRM, OR PROMISE THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH.
OF COURSE YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH.
AND, UM, UH, THE MIC IS NOT ON.
OH, TURN THE MICROPHONE ON, PLEASE, SIR.
HOW'S THAT? BETTER? CAN YOU HEAR HIM NOW? NO.
AND NOW, SO NOW I'M SUPPOSED TO REMIND YOU, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, ELAINE WILL BE TIMING YOU TO TELL US WHATEVER YOU NEED, YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW FURTHER ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UM, I, I ABSOLUTELY DO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNUSUAL REQUEST FOR THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UM, HOWEVER, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FROM A FUNCTION PERSPECTIVE TERM, WHAT USED TO BE A SLEEPING PORCH WITH A LOT OF WINDOWS, BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM, IN A NOT FULL TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
IT, YOU CAN'T GET, YOU CAN GET AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING DOWNSTAIRS, BUT YOU CANNOT GET AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING UPSTAIRS.
IT'S ONLY 16 FEET ON THE OUTSIDE.
AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE FOUR JOISTS IN BETWEEN.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TURN THIS INTO A PRIMARY SUITE, EN SUITE, BATH, BEDROOM, WITH A VIEW OF THE BEAUTIFUL POOL THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE BACKYARD.
SO WE ARE TAKING IT SLIGHTLY MORE MODERN, IF YOU WILL, THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY DO.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.
IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO TRY TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME SORT OF REASONING AS TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH, WE'RE CALLING IT THE TOWER, BUT FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IT'S MORE LIKE A CLEAR STORY OR A STORY AND A HALF, NOT A FULL TWO STORY.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE A REQUEST, UH, THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT READ SPECIFICALLY, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS ON, UH, WHETHER, UH, ANY, UM, AMENDMENTS TO THE STRUCTURE, UH, NEED TO BE ONLY THE ONES THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
SO, SO WE WOULD LIKE MORE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE IN THE BACK FOR THE RECORD, YES.
AND HAVE BEEN OBSERVED BY STAFF TO NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT STAFF.
PLEASE CONFIRM THAT INDEED YOU WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED PERSONALLY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING OUR RULING ON AND THE SPECIFICS OF HOW HOW MUCH PROTECTION HAS AFFORDED THE REAR OF BUILDINGS HAS COME UP IN OTHER DISTRICTS AND IS A PERENNIAL SOURCE OF DEBATE.
CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? YES.
WE'RE MAKING, WELL, SO WE'RE MAKING OUR RULING ON WHETHER OR NOT THESE AMENDMENTS, UH, ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS IN FACT WORDED THAT WAY, THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA ENFORCE WHAT'S ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THE CODE.
I MAY HAVE TO DEFER TO MARCUS IF HE KNOWS THE SPECIFIC SECTION, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO PULL IT UP TO LOOK.
THE, THE THING WITH THE WINNET ORDINANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IT SAYS, BUT WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY.
UM, OTHER ORDINANCES, OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE PROTECTED FACADES AND WINNETKA DOES NOT NAME PROTECTED FACADES OR NON-PROTECTED.
IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ON THE, THE PHYSICAL FORM? UM, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE USE IS BEING CHANGED FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROTECT THE, THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND SO IS THERE ANYTHING WORDED SPECIFICALLY, UM, FORM ON USE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPORTION OF OPENINGS? NOTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, GIVE ME A SECOND IF YOU WANT ME TO, TO PUT IT VERBATIM.
APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT APOLOGIZE, APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE FIRST UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE ORDINANCE.
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SO FOR, FOR A REAR ADDITION, AND I'M GONNA PARAPHRASE UNTIL I FIND IT SPECIFICALLY, BASICALLY THE, IT GENERALLY SAYS THAT THE FORM MATERIALS DETAILS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAIN STRUCTURE.UM, BECAUSE WITH THAT KIND OF CRITERIA, THE IDEA OF, OF THE, THE WAY THAT THE, THE MODIFICATIONS ARE BEING DONE DOESN'T, I DON'T, IN MY OPINION, UM, IS NOT COMPATIBLE, UM, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
ONE IS THE, THE SKIN, UH, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THAT THE SHINGLES, UH, RATHER THAN ANY KIND OF HORIZONTAL SIDING, UH, SEEMS ALIEN TO THE, UM, TO THE, UM, TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS JUST THE PHYSICAL FORM OF A, OF AN ELEVATED, UM, UH, STRUCTURE.
AND THE FACT THAT IT HAS, UM, FENESTRATION AROUND THE, THE TOP OF IT, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS TWO STORY OR NOT, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S STILL THAT TALL AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FENESTRATION ON IT NOW SEEMS, UH, INCOMPATIBLE AS WELL.
REMEMBER MR. RENO, THIS IS WHEN WE ASK QUESTION, SO I APOLOGIZE.
ASK HIM IF HE REALLY WANTS TO DO THAT, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, WELL, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, UH, WOULD YOU BE AT ALL AMENABLE TO HAVING ANY TYPE OF FENESTRATION UP ON THE, UH, AT, AT THE UPPER LEVEL? NOT, I, I REALIZE IT'S ALL ONE STORY, BUT CLOSER TO THE EVE LINE SO THAT IT AT LEAST IT, UH, APPROXIMATES WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THERE TODAY? SURE.
UM, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT WAYS IN WHICH I COULD COMPROMISE TODAY IN ORDER TO SORT OF REACH, ACHIEVE OUR, OUR GOALS FOR THE PRO FOR THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, SATISFY WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE ON THE OUTSIDE.
UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE WILLING TO CHANGE IT TO THE ONE 17 SIDING VERSUS THE HARD SHINGLE.
UM, THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM, I WILL SAY THE PROBLEM WITH THE WINDOWS ON THE UPPER STORY AND THE ONES BELOW, THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM, AND THEY'RE SO, THEY'RE OLD, THEY'RE THE OLD, AND OF COURSE NOT DOUBLE PANE.
SO IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET THAT ROOM EITHER WARM OR COOL BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH GLASS AND IT'S SO MUCH OLD GLASS.
SO IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THAT, UM, ABLE TO GET IT COOL OR WARM, YOU KNOW, WITH AIR CONDITIONING.
SO IF WE COULD MAYBE CHANGE THE OPENING SIZES, UM, AND MAYBE CHANGE THE OPENING SIZES UP ABOVE, THEN I COULD PUT IN A FALSE CEILING IN THE BEDROOM AND THE WINDOWS COULD REMAIN.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT LOOKS THE SAME FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT THEN I WOULD BE ABLE TO HEAT AND PULL THE PRIMARY SUITE SO MUCH MORE EASILY.
SO IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT COMPROMISE, I'D BE VERY WILLING TO DO THAT, TO GET IT TO GO, TO GO THROUGH.
I'M NOT SO SURE THE WINDOWS ARE REALLY SMALL, THEY'RE ONLY TWO FEET BY, BY FIVE FEET, AND THEY'RE, SO, THEY'RE, THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM.
SO MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO REJIGGER THE WINDOWS IN SUCH A WAY WHERE THEY'RE LARGER, BUT STILL WRAPPING AROUND IN THE SPIRIT OF A SLEEPING PORCH.
I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR EFFORT IN, IN THAT DIRECTION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE.
UM, EVEN THE, THE SIZING, THE, EVEN THE QUANTITY COULD BE REDUCED, BUT AT LEAST IF THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY RESEMBLE, UM, SOMETHING OF THEIR, THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE, UH, UH, ACCOMMODATING.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, OFTENTIMES WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING THAT IS A FAR DEPARTURE FROM WHERE WE THINK IT SHOULD GO, INSTEAD, IT'S EASIER TO, INSTEAD OF DESIGN FROM, WE CALL THIS THE HORSESHOE, THIS DESIGN FROM THE HORSESHOE, IT'S BETTER TO START OVER.
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FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE, UM, THE PROCEDURE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE REMOVAL WINDOWS, ET CETERA, IS TO DOCUMENT THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOW.AND THERE'S NO WINDOW SURVEY TO GO BACK THERE.
UM, IF IT'S A TOTAL REMODEL OF THE WHOLE SPACE ON THE OUTSIDE, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE TO GO ON ALSO.
SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WOULD IT, IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, I THINK, UNLESS ONE OF OUR ARCHITECTS WERE TO DRAW IT OUT HERE AND THEN DESCRIBE IT IN DETAIL, WHICH IS REALLY MORE THAN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING HERE AT THE WHOLE SHOOT.
UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAT WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY SIGN OFF ON? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING I SEE IS TO FOLLOW STAFF.
I MEAN, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION AND DENY ALL ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND START OVER.
THAT'S THE ONLY SOLUTION I SEE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, WHAT'S PROPOSED THAT IS ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AND, UM, IT DOES HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FUTURE OF THE BUILDING.
SO UNLESS WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE FAR MORE APPROPRIATE THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO GET AN APPROVAL TOGETHER.
PLUS THIS ORDINANCE IS PART, I MEAN, I'VE, I STUDIED IT FOR 40 YEARS.
I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.
THERE'S NOTHING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT CALLS OUT ANY FACADE.
UM, IN WE AT THE HEIGHTS THAT REMAINS UNPROTECTED, THEY'RE ALL PROTECTED.
AND WE AT THE HEIGHTS, SO IF WE HAD AN ORDINANCE THAT WE WERE WORKING FROM THAT SAID EVERYTHING ON THE REAR IS, YOU KNOW, A FREE FOR ALL, THEN MM-HMM.
IS THERE A, A QUESTION IN THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? AND, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE, IF PERHAPS YOU COULD HELP ANSWER HER BY CLARIFYING WHAT YOU JUST SAID YOU WERE WILLING TO DO BEFORE WHEN WE WERE TALKING COMPROMISE.
UM, WERE YOU WILLING TO LEAVE THE WINDOWS EXACTLY THE NUMBER AND SIZES THERE ARE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM FROM THE INSIDE THAT PROTECTS YOU FROM THE WEATHER AND SUCH? OR WERE YOU STILL WANTING TO TAKE OUT SOME AND REPLACE 'EM? SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.
I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE TAKE OUT SOME OF THE WINDOWS AND REPLACE THEM WITH DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS THAT LOOK APPROPRIATE TO THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I DO NEED, I NEED THAT, I NEED THAT ENERGY EFFICIENCY TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK.
BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, WE'RE TAKING FROM A VERY DIFFERENT FUNCTION.
YOU'RE GOING FROM A SLEEPING PORCH, FREE AIR CONDITIONING TO A MASTER SUITE, OUR PRIMARY SUITE WITH AIR CONDITIONING.
SO WE'RE TAKING IT FROM AN ORANGE TO A BANANA.
SO IT, I, I GET, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO COMPROMISE.
IF I CAN HAVE WINDOW SHAPES AND LOOKS, BUT WITH DOUBLE PANED, THEN THAT HELPS ME ACHIEVE THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY I NEED.
IF, IF THAT'S GONNA BE ACCEPTABLE, I'M HAPPY TO REDRAW THIS THING AND THEN COME BACK AND TRY TO SUBMIT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE A, BEFORE I DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE A KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT IF I DID THAT, THEN THAT'S BE OF A GOOD SHOT OF MAKING THAT.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WAS GETTING AT THAT TO MAKE A COMPLETE A MUCH DIFFERENT REQUEST THAN WHAT YOU MADE TODAY.
WE CAN'T, UM, EXACTLY APPROVE IT UNTIL WE HAVE YEAH.
'CAUSE WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? RIGHT.
JUST SOME WORDS AND WORDS DON'T WORK VERY WELL AT PAINTING A PICTURE ALWAYS CORRECT.
UM, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, SPECIFIC WAYS OF IMPROVING THIS REQUEST, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN OR ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT? THAT CELL THAT I DID, MR. FOX.
WE ALSO, WE ALSO, UM, TALKED ABOUT THE WINDOWS SURVEYS, AND THAT DOES NOT SOLVED THAT PROBLEM OF NEEDING TO KNOW THE ION OF THE WINDOWS NOW, SO THAT YOU'RE NOT GUESSING OR WORKING WITH JUST THE MANUFACTURER PRODUCTS.
BUT THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO NOT ONLY MEET YOUR DEMANDS, BUT MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE ORDINANCE.
I'M HAPPY TO DO A WINDOWS SURVEY.
UM, SO COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WHY DON'T YOU, UM, FURTHER ASK FOR DETAILS ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.
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TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, UM, FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, WHAT MIGHT APPEAR MORE APPROPRIATE? I THINK COMMISSIONER RENO HAS A HANDLE ON THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A CLEAR STORY OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE DOUBLE HUNG, UM, UH, MAYBE NOT CONTINUOUSLY, BUT UM, UM, A TRIO ON, ON THE REAR AND A PAIR ON EACH SIDE, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT I CAN'T VERY WELL CALL OUT.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IN MY MIND'S EYE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PRESERVATION ARCHITECTS HERE WHO HELP US WITH THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, TO ME THAT WOULD SEEM LIKE A COMPROMISE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THEY WOULD NEED TO BE.
UM, AND, UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE WAY IT'S DRAWN AND THE WAY IT'S GOING IS NOT SOMETHING I CAN IMPROVE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO HOW TO REACH, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU COULD WALK AWAY WITH ONE 17 SIDING ALL DAY LONG, SO THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION.
UM, HIS HARDY SHINGLE IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA FLY IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM.
BUT, UM, SO COMMISSIONER RENO COULD SPEAK MORE.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST EARLIER.
UM, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM, UM, MAYBE 30% OF, OF GLAZING TO ZERO IS, IS A BIT EXTREME.
AND IF THERE, LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING, IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE IN BETWEEN THERE, THAT THERE ARE, UM, THERE IS A COLLECTION OF WINDOWS AT THE, AT THE TOP DON'T NECESSARILY NEED, YOU KNOW, FIVE ON EVERY ELEVATION.
BUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A GESTURE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE WINDOWS PLACED UP THERE, THEY CAN BE GANGED TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN AT THE GROUND LEVEL THAT THERE IS SOME, AGAIN, FENESTRATION THERE, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WALL TO WALL WINDOWS, BUT THAT THERE IS SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF, UH, OF LIVING SPACE INSIDE.
YEAH, I, I KNOW YOU DO HAVE THE VERY LARGE, UM, SLIDING DOORS ON, ON ONE SIDE, BUT, UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, UM, TO REINTRODUCE AT LEAST PARTIAL, AT LEAST SOME QUANTITY OF, OF WINDOW OR WINDOWS.
ON THE OTHER ELEVATIONS WHERE THEY'RE GONE.
ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I HAVE ONE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, GO AHEAD.
UH, YES, UM, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE SIDING.
UH, IT APPEARS THAT THE REAR PIECE IS VERY OLD, MAYBE THE ORIGINAL OR VERY OLD.
AND ALSO THE EXISTING HOUSE IS COVERED WITH ASBESTOS SIDING.
HAVE YOU PEEKED BEHIND THE SIDE TO SEE WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE AND ON THIS ADDITION TO SEE WHAT SIDING WAS THERE HISTORICALLY? UM, UH, ON THE BOTTOM THERE'S A, A, A SKIRT.
THERE'S A SKIRT AROUND AND LOOKS LIKE UNDERNEATH THAT IS LIKE A SIX INCH, UM, WIDE SIDING.
AND THEN I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY THE ONE 17 SIDING ABOVE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF YOU'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO TAKE A LITTLE PEEK BEHIND THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE, UM, THE TOWER ON THE BACK, BECAUSE I, YOU'D BE SURPRISED THAT THAT WOOD MAY HAVE BEEN COVERED FOR MANY YEARS AND IT MAY BE IN GOOD SHAPE.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING AT THIS TIME TO TAKE THE SIDING OFF THE MAIN HOUSE.
IS THAT WILL BE A FUTURE, THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE PHASE.
A FUTURE PHASE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE SITE, THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE ENTIRE HOUSE, EXPOSING THE NOVELTY SIDING, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PREPPING AND REPAINTING THAT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A ANOTHER PHASE.
MY CONCERN IS THAT WE, WE LOOK AT WHAT MAIN HOUSE AND THAT ADDITION SO THAT WE DON'T DO SOME SIDING ON THE TOWER.
THAT DOESN'T BE, IT IS NOT
SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET IT ALL TOGETHER SO THAT IT ALL MATCHES IF IT DID.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT, THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, ARE YOU READY? YES.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF EIGHT SIX, I CA 2 34 DASH 3 48 MWI MOVE, UM, THAT WE FOLLOW TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION AND DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE ALL ITEMS, UM, WITH THE FINDING THE FACT THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA CRITERIA, UM, THOSE BEING, UM,
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RETRACT ONE SECTION A WITH RESPECT TO BUILDING FORM AND TREATMENT FOR ADDITIONS, ALL ADDITIONS TO A BUILDING MUST MADE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DOMINANT HORIZONTAL OR VER VERTICAL CHARACTERISTICS, MATERIALS AND DETAILING OF THE BUILDING.AND NUMBER 10, FACADE MATERIALS.
IN GENERAL, THE ORIGINAL PERMITTED FACADE MATERIALS AT BRICK WOOD SIDE AND CUT STONE STUCCO.
AND, UM, THAT EXISTING WOOD FACADES MUST BE PRESERVED AS WOOD FACADES AND SECRETARY INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
WHICH STATE NUMBER TWO, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A PROPERTY SHALL BE RETAINED AND PRESERVED.
AND NUMBER SIX, DETERIORATED HISTORIC FEATURE SHALL BE REPAIRED RATHER THAN REPLACED TO NUMBER NINE, EXTERIOR ALTERATION SHALL NOT DESTROY HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT CHARACTERIZE THE PROPERTY.
WAS THAT SECOND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS THE SECOND ON HERE MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU RECEIVE ANY SORT OF, OF DENIAL WITH, WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR ANY SORT OF DENIAL, YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO CPC, SIR FOR A FEE.
BUT IT WOULD BE, AS YOU ALREADY UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE CLEARLY STAFF PREPPED YOU FOR, FOR OUR POSSIBLE CONCERNS, WHAT'S MUCH BETTER IS TO DEPEND, DO WORK WITH STAFF, LET THEM HELP YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE LIKELY TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH HERE SURE.
THAT WOULD WORK OUT FASTER AND CHEAPER FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED, I THINK.
SO I GOT, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU COME BACK AND, AND SO THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR HOUSE THE WAY YOU WANT AND STILL WITHIN NEW ORDINANCE.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS OUR, OUR MOST FUN ONE TODAY.
SORRY IF YOURS IS NOT RULE THE MOST FUN.
BUT THE MOST FUN IS THE, UM, THE POSSIBLE INITIATION OF QUEEN CITY
SO, AND THAT IS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER SIX.
SO LET'S LET DR. DUNN LEAD IN WHAT SHE NEEDS TO THANK YOU.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM D SIX, WHICH IS THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS TO ESTABLISH A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY CONSTITUTING A SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 9 5, AN AREA KNOWN AS THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
GENERALLY BOUNDED BY STATE HIGHWAY THREE 10, ALSO KNOWN AS SM, RIGHT.
FREEWAY WARREN AVENUE, MALCOLM X BOULEVARD, AND EUGENE STREET.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS.
I'M JUST INUNDATING THE PAPER.
ALSO, THEY DROPPED OFF FOR THOSE WHO COULDN'T ATTEND TODAY.
13 LETTERS OF SUPPORT IN ADDITION TO THE SEVEN YOU ALREADY HAVE.
THEY'VE BEEN COMING IN ALL WEEKEND TOO.
SO CLEARLY THEY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO PUT DOWN IN WRITING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS.
SO SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY SPEAKERS, I'M GONNA LET YOU SELF CHOOSE WHO'S FIRST.
'CAUSE I COULDN'T POSSIBLY KNOW WHO SHOULD GO FIRST, SO, OR I COULD PICK ONE FOR YOU.
SOMEBODY STAND UP AND GO FIRST.
MY NAME IS EVA JONES AND I STILL NEED YOUR ADDRESS.
AND DO I NEED A PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT JUDICIAL.
WELL, YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH JUST SO YOU WILL.
UM, EVA JONES, 2333 EUGENE STREET AND THE WONDERFUL COMMUNITY CALLED SOUTH DALLAS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I FIRST WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME PEOPLE THAT TOOK OUT THEIR TIME TODAY IN SUPPORT OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UH, WE HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS, EX ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, CITY COUNCIL PERSON, MAYOR OF SOUTH DALLAS, MS. DIANE RAGSDALE.
THEN WE HAVE A HISTORIAN BY THE NAME OF MS. WILLIE MAE COLEMAN.
SHE'S HERE TODAY AT 90 YEARS OLD TO TELL US, UH, TO GIVE A YES, PLEASE GIVE HER A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.
I CALL HER MY PERSONAL HISTORIAN.
AND THEN WE HAVE REPRESENTATION OF LEGACY FAMILY.
THESE FAMILIES ARE FROM PHYSICIANS
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THAT LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY.WE HAVE, UH, MS. PAT PATRICIA SUNDAY, WHO'S, UH, GRANDFATHER FATHER STARTED, UH, ON MALCOLM X BOULEVARD AND WAS THERE, THAT HOUSE IS STILL THERE.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER HISTORICAL PIECE OF LAND.
DR. DUNN, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
UH, ALSO WE HAVE DR. WEST WHO, WHOSE GRANDDAUGHTER IS HERE.
AND HE WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN HOLISTIC DOCTOR IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
HIS GRANDDAUGHTER'S NAME IS TERESA GARRETT.
THERESA, YOU WANNA STAND UP FOR US? WE ALSO ARE REPRESENTED BY, OKAY.
WE HAVE CINDY WALKER, SIDNEY'S FAMILY, AS WELL AS A LEGACY FAMILY.
AND SHE PRESENTLY IS THE PRECINCT CHAIR OF, UH, THE DISTRICT, WHICH EMBODIES QUEEN CITY WHERE SHE RESIDES.
AND SHE OFTEN WALKS HER DOG AND SHE AND HER HANG OUT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN I ALSO WANNA SAY, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT ELECTED OFFICIALS, I WOULD BE REMISS TO NOT TALK ABOUT THE CITY STAFF AND ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR US.
AND WE HAVE MR. PATRICK BLADES, WE HAVE MS. LINDSEY JACKSON, UH, LINDSEY.
I, I MEAN, I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE TODAY.
OH, MISS TABITHA, REAGAN, WHEELER.
SHE CAN SAY YES OR NO ON ALL THIS.
SO AT, WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TAKEN OUT THEIR TIME, I SEE MASAKI MILTON, WHO WAS ON CHANNEL FIVE THIS MORNING TO TALK.
UM, I PROPOSE THAT THE SPEAKER HAVE ANOTHER THREE MINUTES.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ENOUGH GAS FOR THREE MORE, BUT
I DO WANNA, I, OH, I, I ALSO WANNA SAY THAT FOREST FORWARD IS HERE AND FOREST FORWARD IS, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROJECT THAT WE HAVE WORKING IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND WE HAVE, UH, OUR COMMUNITY LIAISON PERSON HERE, MS. LA CHERYL WALKER.
I MEAN, I COULD JUST CONTINUOUSLY GO HAVE I CALLED EVERYBODY NAME
REVEREND TODD ATKINS, WHOSE FATHER IS DANELLE ATKINS.
OKAY, LOOK, LOOK WHO ELSE BE RECOGNIZ.
UH, I'M GONNA CALL UP MS. WILLIE MC COLEMAN NEXT.
IF EVERYBODY ELSE CAN JUST TAKE A BREAK.
MS. COLEMAN, OH, MISS EPI MEADOWS, OH LORD, A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I'M LOOKING AT THEM.
ROSE GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE AS A COMMUNITY, WE WORK TOGETHER.
UH, IF ROSE GARDENS HAS A PROJECT, THEY COME, WE SUPPORT THEM.
UH, REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S, UH, DIANE RAYDALE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE OVER THERE DIPPING IN THAT.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU COULD CALL US NOSY OR YOU COULD CALL US IN LOVE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE ALL IN LOVE, A GREAT COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN.
MY NAME IS WILLIE MAY COLEMAN AND I LIVE AT 38 0 2 YORK STREET, DALLAS, 7 5 2 1 OH.
I AM A, UM, THE ER PERSON FOR THE BERTRAND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I STARTED ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO, BUT AS A CHILD, I GREW UP IN QUEEN CITY ALL MY LIFE.
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1939.AND SO IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I CAN REMEMBER WHAT THIS BUILDING WAS.
SO NOW, WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD KNOW ABOUT A HOTEL QUEEN CITY? UH, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY NICE THAT HOTEL, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG PEOPLE STAYED.
WE DIDN'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOTELS.
BUT IN THIS BUILDING WAS A GROCERY STORE ON THE CORNER.
NEXT TO THAT WAS MR. DUMMY HAD A SHOE SHOP.
DURING MY TIME AS A CHILD, PEOPLE HAD SHOE SHOP.
'CAUSE WE HAD DID A LOT OF HALF SOLD IN AND REPAIRING TO OUR SHOES.
AND SO MR. DUMMY HAD A SHOE SHOP NEXT TO MR. DUMMY WAS MR. WALTON HAD A BIG BODY SHOP AND HE MADE HIS BOYS AND ALL CUT HAIR IN THERE WITH HIM.
AND SO THIS WAS A LIVE, LIVE CORNER.
THE GROCERY STORE AND THE HOTEL AND THE BOBBY SHOP AND MR. DUMMY, MR. DUMMY WITH THE SHOE SHOP.
SO THIS HAS BEEN, UH, A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE LOVE TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH ON OUR HOUSE.
IT DON'T HAVE TO BE A VERY BIG PORCH, BUT WE LIKE A PORCH ON OUR HOUSE.
UH, I GOT A VERY SMALL PORCH AND I PUT FLOWERS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, ON THE PORCH.
I CAN GO OUTSIDE AND SIT THERE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT MAKE OUR HOMES LOOK GOOD AND FEEL GOOD.
AND WHEN THEY START BUILDING HOUSES WHERE THEY HAVE NO FRONT DOOR, I MEAN, NO, NO, UH, JUST THE FRONT DOOR, YOU GO IN, THAT'S IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THEY'RE SCARED OF US OR THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.
UH, THEY JUST WANNA HIDE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND INSIDE OF 'EM, THEY'RE SO UNCOMFORTABLE.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN CLOSETS.
DON'T BELIEVE IN DINING ROOMS.
HE SAID, TAKE YOUR CLOTHES AND THROW 'EM OVER IN THE CORNER.
NOW I'M GONNA LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT HAS NO DINING ROOM AND NO CLOSET.
BUT I, I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL LET US HAVE THIS BUILD THIS PLACE OVER THERE DESIGNATED FOR US.
'CAUSE WE LOVE QUEEN CITY AND, UH, WE LOVE FAIRGROUND.
SO, UH, THAT SAID, ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS FROM ME? THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM.
AND I TOO PREFER TO HAVE CLOSETS.
UM, YOU CAN HIDE STUFF IN THEM.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? IT'S UP TO Y'ALL.
REVEREND AK, IT'S 39 18 CROSIER STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
AS THE PASTOR OF SALEM INSTITUTION OF BAPTIST CHURCH THAT WAS RECEIVED THIS HISTORICAL DESIGNATION FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS ABOUT TWO OR A YEAR AGO, UH, WE ARE SO HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE SEEN OUR COMMUNITY RAPIDLY TRANSFORM AWAY FROM THE CHARACTER THAT IT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY.
UM, MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED AROUND THE CORNER FROM OUR CHURCH ON LAIMA.
AND TO SEE THOSE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE KNOWN ALL OF MY LIFE, TO SEE THOSE HOUSES TRANSITION TO HOUSES THAT TOWER OVER THEIR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, HAS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS.
SO I AM GLAD THAT THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN ONE THAT HAS STARTED ON THE GROUND AND CONTINUE.
WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS THE HOMEOWNERS.
AS YOU KNOW, IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE NOT ONLY HAVE OUR RENTERS, BUT WE HAVE OUR HOMEOWNERS AS WELL.
AND SO WE HAVE ENGAGED THEM PUBLICLY AND PRIVATE.
I GUESS MY VOICE IS SO BOOMING.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS IMPORTANT SO THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN DIRECT AND CONTROL OUR OWN VISION.
WE WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS AND WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS NOT A ONE PERSON PROJECT, NO INITIATIVE, BUT IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY REALLY RALLYING AS FOR TWO YEARS.
IT'S IN THE, OH, IT, I DIDN'T BREAK IT.
BUT, UM, THIS IS A TECHNICAL ISSUE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A HUMAN.
UM, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE ON NEARBY THAT'S PICKING YOU UP AND ME,
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IT'S THE FRAME.OH, I AM THE SOMEBODY I'M TALKING.
SO AGAIN, I I I REALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
WE REALLY HAVE, FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.
WE'VE HAD MEETINGS AT THE SALEM CHURCH AS WELL AS, UH, PORCH MEETINGS WITH OUR NEIGHBOR TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS A PART OF THIS PROCESS AND NOT TRYING TO, UH, RAM THIS PROJECT TO.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO HELP US CONTROL THE DESTINY OF OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE HAVE GROWN UP WITH AND LOVE CONTINUES TO BE A CHARACTER THAT WE CAN PASS DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.
AND WHOEVER, WHOEVER IS NEXT, AND BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY WHO SPEAKS OR SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ARE NOW APPOINTED EMISSARIES TO GO OUT AND TALK TO ALL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS AND MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
AND HOPEFULLY SHARE YOUR ENTHUSIASM.
MY NAME IS TABITHA WHEELER REAGAN, AND MY ADDRESS IS 44 12 SOUTH MALCOLM X, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
UM, I GET TO BE HONORABLE TO BE IN SOUTH DALLAS 47 YEARS.
I'VE LIVED IN OTHER PLACES, BUT 18 OUT OF EVERY HOUR I'VE ALWAYS SPENT IN SOUTH DALLAS.
YOU KNOW, QUEEN CITY IS RIGHT UP THERE WHERE BUNTON IS A NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTH DALLAS AND WHAT WE CALL SOUTH DALLAS IS AN ISLAND.
OFTENTIMES PEOPLE COME TO DO BUSINESS IN SOUTH DALLAS AND REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IN SOUTH DALLAS IS A ISLAND WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND IT WORKS WITHIN, EVERYONE WORKS TOGETHER.
SO JUST BECAUSE YOU SENT A NOTICE TO ONE ADDRESS DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY PART OF SOUTH DALLAS WON'T SHOW UP TO YOUR MEETING AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
UM, SO, SO YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU DEAL WITH QUEEN CITY DOES NOT MEAN YOU DON'T DEAL WITH MILL CITY OR
SOMEBODY'S IN THE ROOM FROM EVERYWHERE.
UM, I GOT TO HONOR TO ALSO SERVE AS A CO-CHAIR ON THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN.
AND QUEEN CITY WAS THE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS WITH PREDOMINANTLY HOUSES THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF FIVE AREAS THAT WE WERE GONNA BE HAVE OUR FOCUS AREA.
SO EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING SPOKEN TODAY ALIGNS WITH THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLANNING TASK FORCE, UM, AGENDA.
IN SAYING THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE IN HISTORICAL AREA.
UM, I ALSO HA WAS GIVEN, I ALSO WENT TO SCHOOL AND BECAME A DRAFTER, BUT BEFORE THAT I ALWAYS LOVED ARCHITECTURE AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND NEIGHBORHOODS BACK AND FORTH.
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS OF NEIGHBORHOODS IS WHAT MAKE THEM.
WE TRAVEL THE WORLD TO LOOK AT GREECE.
WE GO TO ATHENS, WE GO TO EVERY, ALL THESE PLACES, AND WE SEE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT HAS BEEN PRESERVED FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
WHEN WE GET TO THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS, WE LOSE OUR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS.
WE ARE, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF PLACES OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT HAS ALREADY RECEIVED HISTORICAL DESIGNATION AND TO JUST PUT WINDOWS IN IS THEY HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE TO KEEP THEIR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN NEXT DOOR TO QUEEN CITY.
AND THEIR SISTER NEIGHBORHOOD IS WEEKLY PLACED BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD THAT WHEN COVID HIT AND, AND GENTRIFICATION STARTED REAMING THROUGH THE CITY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, THEY WERE PROTECTED JUST ACROSS THE STREET.
QUEEN CITY WAS NOT, UM, A PART OF SPEECH, BUT I KNOW HOW SPEECHES ARE THEY SOMETIMES YOU DO.
UM, IN RECENT YEARS, THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN GRAPPLING WITH THE CHALLENGE OF PRESERVING ITS HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE INTEGRITY.
AMIDST THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT ARE DEEMED INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE TRADITIONAL AESTHETICS OF THE AREA, THE HONORABLE DIANE RAGSDALE HAS DESCRIBED IT AS GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.
UM, IT SAID, UM, QUEEN CITY, THIS OOH, MY, MY MIND, MY MIND.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE TO READ
THE SITE BEING LISTED AS A NATIONAL HISTORICAL OVERLAY, THE ABSENCE OF THE CITY HISTORICAL OVERLAY HAS LEFT A NEIGHBORHOOD VULNERABLE TO CHANGES THAT COULD ERO ITS CHARACTER, DESIGNATING IT AS ONE OF FIVE FOCUS AREAS IN THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE.
QUEEN CITY FINDS ITSELF AT A CROSSROAD WHERE FORCES OF GENTRIFICATION THREATENED TO RESHAPE ITS LANDSCAPE, IRREVERSIBLE WITHOUT THE PROTECTION AND THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY THE CITY HISTORICAL OVERLAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AS EVA INTRODUCED ME, I'M THE PRECINCT CHAIR, UH, FOR SOUTH DALLAS 30 18 PREDOMINANTLY ENCOMPASSES QUEEN CITY.
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AND ADDRESS, MA'AM.UH, 2245 JORDAN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
UH, AS SOMEONE WHO GREW UP HERE, MUCH LIKE TABITHA IN SOUTH DALLAS, UH, I REMEMBER, UM, SOUTH DALLAS AT HIS ZEN, EVEN THOUGH MY AUNTS AND UNCLE WOULD ARGUE OTHERWISE.
AND THEN I ALSO WATCHED IT FALL, UM, IN THE NINETIES WHEN DRUGS STARTED RAVAGING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I ALSO REMEMBER WHEN THE HONORABLE RAGSDALE WAS CITY COUNCILWOMAN.
ALSO, REMEMBER THE BREAK CHANGES THAT STARTED HAPPENING WHEN THE DE SEE CAROLYN DAVIS WAS IN OFFICE AND WE BECAME AN AREA OF MORE EMPTY LOTS THAN HOUSES.
THE HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I WORKED VERY HARD AND DILIGENTLY TO HOLD ON TO MY GREAT GREAT GRANDMOTHER'S HOME WHERE KIRKWOOD TEMPLE, CMV THAT IS ON 67TH IS FOUNDED AND IT MOVED TO A LOT NEXT DOOR ON JORDAN STREET AND FINALLY TO METROPOLITAN AVENUE.
THAT USED TO BE THE MOVIE THEATER THERE ON THE CORNER OF OCTAVIA AND METROPOLITAN BEFORE IT MOVED.
I HAVE RAISED ONE KID AT THE PARK SOUTH YMCA WHERE SHE LEARNED HOW TO SWIM.
AND A SON HAD FOUND OUT HE WAS A SOCIAL BUTTERFLY BECAUSE SHE WAS THERE FOR SUMMER CAMP.
YOU MAY REMEMBER WHEN, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN YOU MOVED IN ON SOUTH BOULEVARD.
I HAD A HUSKY BACK THEN, AND NOW I HAVE A RIDGEBACK WHO IS COINED TEAM DOG FOR MAYOR.
SO SHE CALLS HERSELF THE MAYOR OF DALLAS AND SHE LISTENS TO EVERYTHING THAT MAMA HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DALLAS AND ALSO THE HISTORY OF SOUTH DALLAS.
I AM THE SECOND YOUNGEST, OLDEST PERSON FROM HIS COMMUNITY HERE TODAY.
MY SON HAS CAUSED THE NEW ARCHITECTURE MINECRAFT HOUSES.
THAT IS NOT WHAT SOUTH DALLAS WAS.
AND I WANNA PAY HOMAGE TO THE HONORABLE DIANE RAGSDALE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THIS.
WHEN I SEE DC STARTED BUILDING HOMES, I USED TO GO WITH 'EM AND LOOK AT 'EM AND IT FELT LIKE HOME.
IT FELT LIKE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT FELT LIKE OTHER NEIGHBORS HOMES THAT I HAD GONE INTO AS A CHILD.
AND NOW I GET WE DO NEED SOME MODERNNESS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW MINECRAFT.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US WHO ARE STILL THERE.
UM, I'M ALWAYS BEGGING PEOPLE TO MOVE BACK INTO SOUTH DALLAS.
I WAS BEGGING WHEN LOTS WERE GOING, UH, ON SALE ON THE COUNTY AUCTION FOR $250 A LOT AND NOW THEY'RE OVER 50,000, UH, A LOT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS DESIGNATION.
IT'S IMPORTANT AS A FOURTH GENERATION PERSON IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND I HAVE TWO CHILDREN WITH EIGHT YEARS BETWEEN.
THAT IS YOUR TIME, MA'AM, THAT THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE THE HISTORY AS WELL.
NEXT UP WE KNOW YOUR NAME, BUT SAY IT ANYWAY.
MY NAME IS DIANE RAGSDALE, 36 11 DUNBAR STREET, DALLAS, 67 5 2 1 5.
I LIVE, UH, IN RESIDE, BORN AND RAISED LIVE IN, UH, FIT WHEATLEY HISTORIC DISTRICT ADJACENT TO, UH, QUEEN CITY.
THE QUESTION IS, WHY SHOULD QUEEN CITY BE DESIGNATED, UH, AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT IF AFRICAN AMERICAN, IF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORIAN AND SOCIOLOGIST DR.
WEB DU BOIS WERE ALIVE, HE WOULD GIVE US THE PRECISE ANSWER.
THAT ANSWER IS THE CULTURE AND SOULS OF BLACK FOLKS EMBODY THE HISTORIC PLACES.
WE PRESERVE THE CULTURE AND SOULS OF BLACK FOLK EMBODY THE HISTORIC PLACES WE PRESERVE.
IT IS OUR DUTY TO MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO PRESERVE AND REVITALIZE TREASURED BLACK SPACES LIKE QUEEN CITY SPACES WHERE BLACK PEOPLE HAVE LIVED SINCE 1880.
WE'VE GOT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHAT THOSE WHO WHO CAME BEFORE US DID TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE FOR SOUTH DALLAS QUEEN CITY RESIDENCE.
ANOTHER REASON THAT, THAT WE NEED THIS DESIGNATION AND IT HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW HOMES ARE COMPATIBLE, WHICH WOULD HELP TO PREVENT DISPLACEMENT,
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WHICH CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE.RIGHT NOW, THE ISSUE OF GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT.
ACCORDING TO BRENT LEGS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE HERITAGE FUND, WE MUST OFFER TOOLS THAT CAN HELP A SOCIETY MANAGE CHANGE IN WAYS THAT DO NOT DISCONNECT IT FROM THE LEGACY OF ITS PAST.
WE MUST OFFER TOOLS THAT CAN HELP A SOCIETY MANAGE CHANGE.
WE KNOW CHANGE IS THERE, BUT IT SHOULD BE DONE IN WAYS THAT DO NOT DISCONNECT IT FROM THE LEGACY OF OUR PAST.
THE QUEEN CITY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTS OF MANY PLACES AND INDIVIDUALS OF SIGNIFICANCE, SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN STATED.
OF COURSE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 17.
WELL-DESIGNED BEAUTIFUL HOMES, UH, ON ROW MINE, UH, WAS BUILT AND SOLD EXCLUSIVELY TO AFRICAN AMERICANS.
THE HISTORY OF PARK SOUTH Y CANNOT BE TOLD WITHOUT THE LEGACY OF BEST.
HANNAH WALLACE, AN AFRICAN AMERICAN BORN IN 1912 ON THE VERY CORNER OF THE, UH, OH OF THE VERY CORNER THE PARK SOUTH SITS ON TODAY.
MS. WALLACE STEPPED UP AND DONATED THAT LAND TO PARK SOUTH WHITE.
IT'S BEEN STATED BY SISTER COLEMAN ABOUT THE LEWIS HAYDEN GROCERY STORE BUILT IN 1925 BY MR. HAYDEN.
IT'S BEEN STATED PER ABOUT THE CHURCHES THAT EXIST ST.
PAUL A ME IN 1902, MY MORALE BAPTIST IN ST.
I I'M ASKING FOR ONE MORE MINUTE.
CAN CAN A MOTION BE MADE? SO MOVED.
AND SO, SO AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE NOTICED THAT QUEEN CITY, UH, HAS A VERY RICH HISTORY THAT MUST BE RECOGNIZED, CELEBRATED AND RESERVED.
THE TWO WE HAVE IS TO DESIGNATE QUEEN CITY AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT TOO, THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO MOVE US TOWARD.
NEXT UP YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, MA'AM.
HI, MY NAME IS THERESA GARRETT.
I RESIDE AT 2234 EUGENE STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
I'M SPEAKING TO YOU ABOUT LEGACY.
I FEEL MY GRANDMOTHER HERE NOW SAYING, STAND UP, STRAIGHT, ARTICULATE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
SO
UH, I RESIDE AT AS, AS I STATED BEFORE, I'M THE THIRD GENERATION OF MY FAMILY THAT LIVES ON AT 2234 EUGENE.
UH, I'M REPRESENTING THE FOURTH AND THE FIFTH.
AUGUSTUS, CHARLES WEST, AND MY GRANDMOTHER'S NAME WAS CLAUDIO JUANITA WEST.
UM, AS STATED, MY GRANDFATHER, ONE OF THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN HOLISTIC DOCTORS.
AS A KID GROWING UP, I JUST SAW HIM GROWING STUFF OUTSIDE AND MASHING IT UP AND PUTTING IT IN, YOU KNOW, AND RUBBING IT ON SOMEBODY.
BUT, AND WE WOULD GO DO, HE DID DOOR TO DOOR DOCTOR VISITS, UH, TO THE ELDERLY.
WASN'T LIKE THE MEDICARE THING GOING ON NOW, BACK THEN, THAT'S HOW THEY TOOK CARE OF THINGS.
I ALSO SAW HIM TAKE CARE OF MY BROTHER WHEN HE HAD A FOOTBALL INJURY AT SOUTH OAK CLIFF, AND HE APPLIED SOME GOOD OINTMENT AND THE WHOLE TEAM WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS THAT, THAT JOE PAUL PAUL USED TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR SORENESS.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, BEING A PART OF THAT AS WELL WAS AS MY GRANDMOTHER WAS VERY, VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, SHE WAS A ALUMNI OF BOOKER T WASHINGTON, THE ORIGINAL BOOKER T WASHINGTON HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I ALSO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GLEAN WITH SOME OF HER NEIGHBORS THAT WERE THERE WHEN SHE WAS THERE, SOME OF HER NEIGHBOR'S, GRANDKIDS.
AND MY HOUSE IS CONSIDERED LIKE A MUSEUM BECAUSE WE KEPT A LOT OF THINGS IN MY GRANDMOTHER.
THERE ARE THINGS, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE ATTIC YET, THAT'S GONNA BE A TREAT.
BUT, UH, JUST BEING ABLE TO BE IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THAT, UH, TO PULL FROM, UH, NOT FOR MYSELF, BUT AS WELL AS, AS IN REPRESENTATION OF MY FAMILY, THE, THEY ARE PILLARS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
LIKE I SAID, MY GRANDMOTHER FINISHED FROM BOOKER T.
UH, MY, MY MOTHER AND MY AUNT FINISHED FROM LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL.
MY AUNT WENT OFF TO BE A WORLD RENOWNED, UH, OPERA SINGER.
MY AUNT WAS A REGISTERED NURSE, SO WE HAVE GREATNESS COMING FROM THIS ADDRESS.
UM, OF COURSE, WE ALL WENT TO SOUTH PARK, SWAM IN THE SWIM
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IN THE POOL OVER THERE AND EVERYTHING.BUT MY THING WHERE I, WHERE I'M, WHAT I'M STANDING FOR IS THAT I AM LEGACY.
IT'S JUST MY SIBLINGS AND THAT'S IT.
NO GRANDMA, NO AUNTIES, NO UNCLES AND AUNTIES, NONE OF THAT.
SO I AM THE YOUNGEST OF MY MOTHER'S CHILDREN, BUT I AM THE MATRIARCH.
I, I'LL HOLD ALL OF THE HISTORY SO THAT WHEN THE COUSINS COME, MY NIECES COME.
I'M THE ONE THAT PULLS OUT THE PHOTO ALBUMS AND CAN TELL THE STORY OF WHO THIS IS AND WHO THAT IS.
WHEN WE GO TO THE CEMETERY, I'M THE ONE THAT KNOWS WHERE EVERYBODY IS.
AS A PARENT OF FOUR, I'VE BEEN BLESSED.
ONE IS A GRADUATE OF SAM HOUSTON.
I GOT TWO BOYS THAT SERVED IN THE GREAT, UH, FORCES.
CAN I PLEASE? YOU'RE SO GREAT.
UH, MY SONS, UH, ALSO THEY SERVE IN THE UNITED STATES SERVICE AS WELL.
AND THEN I HAVE A FORMER, I HAVE A STUDENT GETTING READY TO COME OUTTA UT AUSTIN.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IN THOSE, AT THIS LOCATION, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND ME, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO PARENT, I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE THE BEST AUNTIE AND AS WELL AS HOLD THE LEGACY OF OUR FAMILY AND TO BE INVOLVED.
AND IT'S, IT'S, SO I'M TRYING TO KEEP FROM CRYING.
I, I, IT IS, I'M MIRRORING WHAT WAS ALREADY PUT BEFORE ME FROM MY GRANDPARENTS.
SO IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE HOLD ON TO THOSE TRADITIONS, THOSE, THOSE LEGACIES OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I'M GRATEFUL TO BE RESIDING THERE.
AND ONE THING, LAST THING, I AM A PART OF THE GENTRIFICATION, VISUALLY.
MY LITTLE HOUSE IS A LITTLE COTTAGE ON THE END.
AND THEN THERE'S A NEW HOUSE, A NEW BILL RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
I, THAT'S THE BEST WORD I CAN SAY.
BUT TRYING TO MAKE, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S A M MATCH, LIKE HAVING ON TWO DIFFERENT SOCKS.
SO I'M HOPING AND PRAYING THAT WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING AND YOU GUYS TAKE HEED TO IT AND, UM, GIVE US A CHANCE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN OUR COMMUNITY SO WE CAN KEEP IT THRIVING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA TIME.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LAUR WALKER, 36 0 7 HAMBURG COURT.
UH, I'VE OWNED A HOME IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, OH, 36 0 7 HAMBURG COURT, 7 5 2 1 5.
OWNED THE HOME OVER THERE SINCE 2004.
I, I AM THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR FOREST FORD, AND I'M HERE TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE IN SOUTH DALLAS, WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER.
YOU'VE HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE STAND HERE TODAY AND SAY HOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN THIS AREA, WE'RE GONNA BE THERE.
AND SO FOREST FORWARD HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF SEVERAL PROJECTS, AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ONE.
I ORIGINALLY WORKED AT THE JUBILEE CENTER FROM ITS EXCEPTION IN 1997 TO 2010.
AND THEN I TRANSITIONED TO ST.
PHILIP'S SCHOOL IN COMMUNITY CENTER FROM 2010 TO 2021.
AND NOW I'M AT FOREST FORWARD.
AND I SAY THAT TO SAY I'VE BEEN IN THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD AND FAIR PARK COMMUNITY FOR A WHILE NOW, AND I'VE SEEN HOW WORKING TOGETHER, COLLABORATION AND SUPPORTING EACH OTHER, HOW IT WORKS AND BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE.
FORCE FORWARD IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.
AND I WANNA MENTION THE PORCH.
WE NEED PORCHES, AND NOW WE NEED HOMES WITH PORCHES.
THEY BRING ABOUT, I'VE WALKED FROM, FROM JUBILEE TO ST.
I HAVE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PASSING OUR FLYERS, JUST GETTING SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING.
AND IT'S JUST NICE TO SIT ON THE PORCH AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
IT SHOWS COMMUNITY, IT SHOWS HOW PEOPLE CAN JUST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO PEOPLE.
PEOPLE LOVE SITTING ON THE PORCH.
YOU FIND OUT SO MUCH JUST SITTING ON THE PORCH.
SO FORWARD, FORWARD IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT AND, UH, WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT.
AND WHO IS NEXT? WE ALSO HAVE SOMEONE ON, NOT ONLINE.
MS. MILTON, DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK? YES.
STILL NEED TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
I, UH, MY ADDRESS IS, UH, 38 34 CANARD STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
UM, I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF QUEEN CITY SINCE 2022.
AND THANK YOU ALL TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR
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ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.UM, UNLIKE ALL OF THE SPEAKERS BEFORE ME, I AM NOT A NATIVE DALLAS RESIDENT, NORTH SOUTH DALLAS RESIDENT.
MY HOMETOWN IS LUBBOCK, TEXAS.
BUT I'M HERE TODAY TO SHOW MY FULL SUPPORT OF THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, I MOVED TO QUEEN CITY AND IMMEDIATELY GOT INVOLVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHEN I WAS WALKING MY DOG, DOG AMBER, AT EXELON PARK, AND RAN INTO THE ONE AND ONLY MISS EVA JONES.
AND SHE ASKED ME, DID I PICK THE DOG'S POOP UP? AND I SAID, YES, MA'AM, I ALWAYS CARRY MY BAGS WITH ME,
BUT SINCE THEN, THAT REALLY SHOWED ME HOW MUCH THE RESIDENTS HERE IN THIS AREA, UM, CARE AND CONCERN AND ARE TRULY NEIGHBORS TO EACH OTHER.
AND IT HAS BUILT SUCH A GOOD, UM, COMRADERY, COMRADERY, FRIENDSHIP AND SUPPORT NETWORK FOR ME.
UM, MY BACKGROUND IS IN EDUCATION.
UM, I'VE BEEN TRAVELED THE WORLD, UM, IN EDUCATION.
I HAVE A NONPROFIT BASED AT THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE, I AM HERE TO SHOW MY FULL SUPPORT.
I'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE AND OTHER COMMITTEES, UM, JUST REALLY HERE TO THROW EVERYTHING.
I HAVE ALL OF MY RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THIS EFFORT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S QUITE IMPORTANT.
AGAIN, I'M NOT NATIVE TO THIS AREA, BUT I'M CERTAINLY JUST BLOWN AWAY BY THE LEVEL OF CARE AND THE LEVEL OF, OF JUST, UM, UH, HUMANITY DISPLAYED TOWARDS ME AS A NEW RESIDENT.
AND I HOPE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS HISTORICAL OVERLAY PROJECT, UM, WE CAN BE PART TOGETHER AS A CRITICAL STEP IN PROTECTING THESE VALUABLE HOMES AND, UM, BUILDINGS AND THE ARCHITECTURE THAT IS IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT DREW ME OVER HERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO COME ON AND SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THIS AREA IS DEFINITELY WORTH THE INVESTMENT AND WORTH THIS CONVERSATION.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL RULE IN OUR FAVOR WHENEVER THAT DAY MAY COME.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LINDSAY JACKSON.
SO 1500 MARILLA, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1.
I AM THE SENIOR PLANNER IN PLANNING IN URBAN DESIGN.
AND, UM, I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
AND I JUST WANT TO, UM, SPEAK TO THE WORK THAT THE RESIDENTS OF QUEEN CITY HAVE DONE.
UM, OVER THE LAST, LAST TWO YEARS.
WE'VE HAD A TASK FORCE AS, UM, COMMISSIONER WILLER MENTION SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF PRESENCE TODAY, DIANE RAGSDALE, UM, OF COURSE, MS. EVA JONES AND MS. LASHER WALKER.
AND SO, QUEEN CITY WAS RECOMMENDED AS A FOCUS AREA AND TWO COMPONENTS OF OUR AREA PLAN INCLUDE HOUSING AS WELL AS HISTORY AND CULTURE, AND PRESERVING THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF SOUTH DALLAS OVERALL, ALSO INCLUDES, UM, THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP AFTER NUMEROUS MEETINGS, WE HAD A SUBCOMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY FOR HOUSING, UM, AND QUEEN CITY.
AND THAT INCLUDED PROTECTING THE EXISTING CHARACTER CHARACTERISTICS OF SOUTH DALLAS, IN PARTICULAR QUEEN CITY.
AND, UM, THIS PROPOSAL IS IN ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS TOWARDS ADDRESSING, AS MS. DIANE RAGSDALE SAYS, THE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE NEW CONSTRUCTION RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE POPPING UP ALL OVER SOUTH DALLAS, BUT ESPECIALLY IN QUEEN CITY.
AND SO THIS PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT, UM, WITH THE AREA PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS, AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH QUEEN CITY AND DR. DUNN AND, UM, FURTHER IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN AND EVERYTHING WE WANNA ACCOMPLISH SPECIFICALLY IN QUEEN CITY.
I RESIDE AT 3 2 2 7 GOSFIELD DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS SEVEN FIVE TWO ONE FIVE.
WHEN I WAS BORN, MY FAMILY LIVED ON HANCOCK IN SOUTH DALLAS.
I WAS BORN AT PARKLAND HOSPITAL.
I WAS EDUCATED IN DISTRICT NINE.
I GRADUATED TORIAN OF LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL.
I WENT ON ACADEMIC SCHOLARSHIP TO WELLESLEY, AND I HAVE AN EARNED PHD IN AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY.
I STARTED A NONPROFIT IN 2016 FOR SOUTH DALLAS.
IT'S CALLED BELOVED COMMUNITY.
BELOVED COMMUNITY IS A CONCEPT THAT WAS POPULARIZED BY MARTIN LUTHER KING IN THE SIXTIES, ENCOURAGING ALL PEOPLE, NOT JUST BLACK PEOPLE, TO TAKE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS A PART OF OUR LIVES VERY SERIOUSLY.
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SUBMIT A LETTER OF SUPPORT, UM, FOR THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY IN QUEEN CITY.ON SOME LEVELS, IT MIGHT SEEM THAT WE ARE BEING REACTIONARY, THAT WE JUST SHOW UP WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM OR A THREAT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT CORRECT.
SOUTH DALLAS IS NOT SHORT OF LEADERSHIP.
SOUTH DALLAS IS NOT SHORT OF PEOPLE WITH VISION.
SOUTH DALLAS IS NOT SHORT OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND COLLABORATION AND STRATEGIC MOVES.
SO WHAT EXCITES ME THIS MORNING IS THAT YOU AROUND THE HARSH HORSES, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO PROVE AND TO SHOW THAT YOU RECOGNIZE WHEN A COMMUNITY IS SINCERELY ENGAGED AND WANTS TO PARTNER, UH, ACROSS THE COMMUNITY AND WITH THE CITY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS VERY WONDERFUL ABOUT DALLAS, BUT ALSO VERY PROBLEMATIC ABOUT DALLAS, IS THAT SOMETIMES WE CAN BE FOCUSED ON THE WRONG THING AND COMMITTED TO THE WRONG THING AND GO ALL THE WAY THE WRONG WAY BEFORE WE REALIZE, HEY, WE WERE COMMITTED TO THE WRONG THING.
AND SO WITH DEVELOPMENT ACROSS OUR CITY, AS WE BEGIN TO GROW, UH, TO MAKE MONEY, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
I'M JUST HOPING AND PRAYING THAT YOU AROUND THE HORSESHOE AS WELL AS ALL YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS DO PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE.
BEFORE WE HOP ON THE TRAIN, UH, WITH BIG BUSINESS AND DEVELOPERS AND ALL THAT, TO ASK PEOPLE QUESTIONS.
HAVE YOU ACTUALLY VISITED WITH THE COMMUNITY BEYOND HOLDING A MEETING AND GRABBING A SIGN AND SHEET WITH 50 NAMES? DID YOU REALLY SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THE PEOPLE? AND AGAIN, TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT SOUTH DALLAS WILL CONTINUE TO BE ENGAGED.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND GOD BLESS.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? HEY, YOU'RE DOING IT TWICE.
OH, I, I GUESS WE CAN SAY WITH THAT, THAT THIS ENDS THE SPEAKERS.
TURNING IT BACK TO YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
AND WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU TAKING THE TIME TO COME DOWN HERE.
I KNOW IT, IT'S HARD TO PARK, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT, AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER STUFF AND WE'RE KIND OF BORING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM.
OBVIOUS A HIGH LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM THAT MADE SO MANY PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE TO, TO ARGUE IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS INITIATION.
SO NOW IT IS TIME FOR US TO, UM, AS COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS OR VOICE OUR, UM, THOUGHTS ON THIS.
UM, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU'D LIKE TO START SINCE IT IS IN YOUR DISTRICT? YOU'D RATHER WHAT? YOU'D RATHER END IT.
HE IS GONNA BE, HE'S GONNA GO LAST.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY? WELL, IT APPEARS WE'RE ALREADY READY FOR YOU.
COMMISSIONER REEVES DOES WANT TO SAY SOMETHING FROM SOMEWHERE IN THE COLD NORTHWEST IN NORTHEASTERN? NO, I AM ON CAPE COD.
NOT THE NORTHWEST IS THE NORTHEAST.
I I REREAD ALL OF THE WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO THE, THE NATIONAL REGISTER PROGRAMS THAT WE GOT BEFORE OUR LAST MEETING.
AND THIS SEEMS TO BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON KEEPING AND SAVING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER LEVITON, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE TIME, UH, SPENT FROM CITIZENS OF SOUTH DALLAS AS WELL AS STAFF, YOU KNOW, GETTING US GETTING THE COMMUNITY TO THIS MOMENT.
UH, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T APPRECIATE SOME OF THE BACK, BACK ROOM BEHIND THE SCENES CONVERSATIONS.
OUR, OUR LEGAL AUTHORITY WOULD LIKE YOU TO BEGIN WITH YOUR MOTION AND THEN THANK EVERYBODY AND EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS, NOT ME DOING IT'S HER.
SO, SO I, IN REFERENCE TO DISCUSSION SIX, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE SECOND, SECOND.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT WAS THE FIRST TO SECOND THAT.
DISCUSS, YEAH, JUST A COMMENT, JUST AGAIN, UH, EVEN THE FORMALITIES THAT, THAT, THAT ARE, THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE WORK THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAME TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT I WOULD BE DOING, UH, AT 90 YEARS OLD, BUT IT PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN'T PICTURE MYSELF COMING DOWNTOWN
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AND ADVOCATING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, BUT HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THE HONORABLE MS. COLEMAN HAS DONE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS SO THAT, AGAIN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STANDING ON THE SHOULDERS OF OTHERS OF GREATNESS, YOU DO THAT SO SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T HAVE TO.
SO, AND HERE I AM ALREADY TELLING YOU I PROBABLY COULDN'T DO IT.
SO, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
UH, WE TALK A LOT AT THIS HORSESHOE ABOUT PORCHES AND WINDOWS AND THE, THE NON-LIVING THINGS, ROOFS, ROOF LINES, UH, SETBACKS, PAINT COLORS.
WE TALK A LOT OF THAT AND ARTICULATE IT WITH THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE.
BUT WHEN YOU CAN COME IN HERE OFF THE CUFF AND JUST TALK ABOUT YOUR LIVELIHOOD, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE YOU WALK YOUR DOG, AND IT'S STILL RELEVANT TO THE CULTURE, TO THE QUALIFYING CRITERIA OF THIS DESIGNATION.
NOW YOU'RE ENLIGHTENING AN AUDIENCE ON HOW IT THINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT SOMETIMES THAN THE NON-LIVING THINGS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE HOUSES AND THESE STRUCTURES AND THE PAINT COLORS AND THE SETBACK.
SO WHY NOT TELL THE STORY OF THE IMPACT OF YOUR LIFE IN THESE STRUCTURES? THAT'S WHAT THE ENLIGHTENMENT IS.
SO TO HEAR THOSE STORIES, TO BE EDUCATED, HOPEFULLY SOMEONE ELSE WILL RESEARCH AND GO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD.
LESS THAN TWO MILES FROM THIS DESK IS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LESS THAN TWO MILES.
SO THE CITY CENTER, I'M JUST, I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR WORK AND JUST FOR, I'M GLAD TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
IT'S STILL A LONG ROAD TO GO WITH THE OFFICIAL, UM, DESIGNATION, BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU CONTINUE TO, TO GROW YOUR ENTHUSIASM FROM THE FIRST MEETING WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND ATTENDEES IN T-SHIRTS TO THIS MEETING WITH EVEN A MORE LARGER AUDIENCE AND MORE PASSIONATE STORIES.
UM, AGAIN, I, I TRUST THAT YOU WILL CARRY THIS ALL THE WAY TO THE FINISH LINE, UM, LIKE YOUR GRANDCHILDREN'S AND YOUR AUNTS AND NIECES LIVES DEPEND ON IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE SHOWN US THAT THEY DO.
UM, SO JUST, I, AGAIN, JUST COMMEND YOU AS, AS CITIZENS ON TRYING TO PRESERVE YOUR HISTORY THAT YOU HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARE WE PREPARED FOR THIS VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? I THOUGHT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY OPPOSED.
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THOSE WHO SPOKE IN FAVOR OF QUEEN CITY.
CONGRATULATIONS DR. DUNN AND ALL THE OTHER CITY STAFF, BUT PARTICULARLY DR. DUNN WHO'S PUT SO MUCH INTO THIS WHEN IT WAS, WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN A WHILE, AND SHE DID WELL.
ALRIGHT, AND GOOD LUCK AS YOU MOVE ON FORWARD THROUGH, UH, CPC AND THEN THE COUNCIL.
I'M SURE YOUR ENTHUSIASM AND YOUR ELOQUENCE WILL CARRY WEIGHT THERE JUST AS IT DID HERE TODAY.
YOU COULD CONVINCE PEOPLE OF ANYTHING, I'M SURE.
SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, BUT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY.
YOU CAN GO DO SOMETHING MORE FUN THAN US.
WELL, LET'S, OKAY, WELL NOW THE ROOM'S PRACTICALLY EMPTY, BUT WE CAN MOVE ON TO D THREE.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE IS LOCATED AT 6 26 NORTH MARCELLUS AVENUE IN THE LAKE CLIFF HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 3 9 MW.
I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THE REQUEST IS FOR
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A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE RETAINING WALL AND FENCE AT THE FRONT YARD ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE AND PARTIALLY ALONG THE DRIVEWAY.THIS WAS AN UNAUTHORIZED REMOVAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE RETAINING WALL AND FENCE AT THE FRONT YARD ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE AND PARTIALLY ALONG THE DRIVEWAY, UNAUTHORIZED REMOVAL BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 5 18 24.
BOTH OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE RETAINING WALL BE FACED IN EITHER BRICK OR FIELD STONE TO MATCH EITHER THE PREVIOUS WALL OR OTHER WALLS IN THE DISTRICT WITH THE FINAL FINISHED MATERIAL TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CER PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 3.6, 3.7, 3.9, 3.1, A THREE POINT 14, AND THREE POINT 15.
THE STANDARDS IN THE CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS.
UNAUTHORIZED REMOVAL, HE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO REBUILD OLD FENCE, BUT IT WOULD NOT MEET ZONING.
ARCHITECT DESIGNED A WALL TO MEET ZONING, BUT CONCRETE WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR THE DISTRICT.
ALRIGHT, OUR FIRST REGISTERED SPEAKER IS LISA KEN, LISA KENNEDY.
UM, I DO HAVE SOME PHOTOS HERE IF YOU GUYS, I DID.
NOT HAVE A CLUE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE HERE.
I DID NOT THINK IT'S MANY PEOPLE.
ELAINE WILL COME GET THOSE FROM YOU.
ALRIGHT, MS. KENNEDY, IF YOU COULD START WITH HER NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN FOR THIS TYPE OF THING, YOU DO HAVE TO PROMISE YOU'RE TELLING US THE TRUTH.
UH, LISA KENNEDY, 6 2 6 NORTHMORE AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS SOUTH PARK, TWO, THREE.
AND YES, I PROMISE YOU TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, I, MYSELF AS WELL, AM A FOURTH GENERATION NATIVE OAK CLIFF.
UM, AND SO I, I RESONATE WITH A LOT OF THEIR STORIES THAT, THAT THEY TOLD SO QUITE FOR TEARS.
UM, SO THEY ASK US TO PUT THE RETAINING WALL ON THE FENCE BACK AS IT WAS, UM, MODIFYING IT FOR A TURNING RADIUS BECAUSE THE COLUMN, UM, IS REALLY CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU'RE TURNING IN FROM A FOUR LANE STREET AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET INTO THE DRIVEWAY WITHOUT HITTING THE COLUMN.
AND THE COLUMN ACTUALLY HAS BEEN DAMAGED, UM, SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST.
UM, ALSO WAS THINKING ADDING LIGHTS ON TOP OF THE COLUMNS WOULD BE A NICE FEATURE, UM, AS WELL AS A SAFETY FEATURE.
UM, I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MY TREE THAT'S ABOUT 120 TO PROBABLY 150 YEARS OLD.
UM, AND THEN I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES.
I DID HEAR SOMEONE MENTION THAT, UM, THE FENCE DOES NOT GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE HOUSE THIS MORNING.
UM, BUT THERE IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE ON MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY THAT COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE STREET.
AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS VERY DENSE SHRUBBERY, UM, AND BUSHES, UM, UH, ACTING AS A FENCE.
SO BY FENCING ACROSS THE FRONT, IT ACTUALLY DOES FENCE EVERYTHING IN EXCEPT FOR THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH THEN, UM, WOULD REQUIRE A GATE TO GO ACROSS THE FRONT IF IN FACT I WAS EVER GONNA DO THAT.
'CAUSE THE DRIVEWAY IS SLOPED.
UM, BUT IT DOES CREATE A, UM, A SECURITY.
UM, THE WALL ON THE FENCE DOES CREATE SECURITY, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, BECAUSE IF SOMEONE EVER BROKE IN, WHICH HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, YOU ARE FORCED TO GO DOWN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY, UM, MAKES PEOPLE THINK, UH, TWICE ABOUT THAT KIND OF THING SINCE THERE'S NOT VERY MANY WAYS OF ESCAPE.
UM, I ALSO DID HEAR SOMEONE MENTION THAT THE WALL WAS COMPLETELY GONE, BUT THE SPLITTER IS STILL PRESENT, UM, FOR THAT RETAINING WALL.
UM, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, UH, I HEAR AUTHOR UNAUTHORIZED WORK.
I DID NOT KNOW I WAS IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, SO YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, LETTING FOLKS KNOW THAT IS A ACTUAL, AN ISSUE AS WELL.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE RETAINED WALL.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, IN THE PHOTO OVER HERE.
UM, IT IS, IT WAS LEANING QUITE A BIT.
UM, AND SO THE HEAVINESS OF THE IRON GATES, UH, PULLED THE POST OVER.
SECOND PHOTO IS OF THE TREE THAT'S THERE, VERY LARGE TREE.
THIS WAS JUST TAKEN THIS PAST WEEKEND.
SOME OF THE LEAVES ON IT ARE TURNING YELLOW, WHICH GIVES ME ANXIETY.
UM, PICTURES OF MARCELLUS PARK WHERE YOU CAN SEE, UM,
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AN INTERIOR CURVE RETAINING WALL.YOU CAN SEE, UM, FENCING THERE, UM, AT THE PARK ITSELF.
UM, SECOND PHOTO IS PHOTOS OF THE, UM, VARIOUS DIFFERENT RETAINING WALLS FRONTING THE LAKE.
WE'VE GOT CONCRETE STONE, UH, LANDSCAPE TIMBERS.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY SOME ON THE LAKE, SOME ON MARCELLUS AS WELL.
UM, SECOND PHOTO IS, UM, I KNOW WHERE THE QUESTIONS WAS.
MARCELLUS IS A FOUR-LANE ROAD AND THE MAJORITY OF THE, UM, HOMES UP AND DOWN THERE DO HAVE RETAINING WALLS.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE POOR HOUSE THAT WAS TORN DOWN AND HAD BEEN BURNED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THAT THEY TORE DOWN IN FRONT OF THE LAKE, UM, IS WHERE IT IS AT.
UM, BUT IT DOES HAVE BRICK COLUMNS AND THE FENCING THERE.
UM, THIS IS THE ICONIC HOUSE THAT'S GOT THE 52 INCH TALL, UM, STONE WALL OUT FRONT.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.
MY WHOLE POINT IS THAT THIS TECHNICALLY IS ALLOWED, BUT THIS IS AN EYESORE.
UM, BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY BLOCKS THE HOUSE BY PUTTING THE FENCE FURTHER BACK.
YOU'RE PUTTING IT FURTHER UP ON THE ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE YARD, AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY APPROACHING ON THE HOUSE MORE AND YOU'RE, YOU CANNOT SEE IT AS WELL.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL PHOTOS IN THERE THAT THIS IS 100% ALLOWED, BUT IT'S 100% AN EYE DOOR.
I WOULD NOTE THAT SOME THINGS MAY EXIST IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WERE THERE BEFORE IT BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THEY'RE THERE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ALLOWED OR WE'RE PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT IT, BUT THEY GET TO STAY UNTIL THEY NEED TO REPLACE IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO SOMETIMES YOU, YOU MAY SEE A NEIGHBOR HAS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NOT APPROVE NOW AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE, BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT IS APPROVABLE, THE ONES THAT PUT MY
WELL, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA APPROVE ON A DAILY BASIS, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WHOEVER TOLD YOU THAT KNEW BECAUSE THEY SURPRISED ME SOMETIMES.
SO WE ALSO HAD ANOTHER SPEAKER REGISTERED AND THAT WAS FRED PENA.
YOU KNOW THE DRILL NAME, ADDRESS, PROMISE TOLD TRUTH.
I LIVE AT FOUR 10 EAST FIFTH STREET IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND I PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH AND I WAS NOT INTENDING TO PRESENT.
I SIGNED UP, UM, IN CASE YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, I DID THE DRAWINGS FOR, UH, MS. KENNEDY.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR STAFF OR EITHER OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YOU'RE MUTED.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? CAN EVERYONE HEAR US? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FOR THE LAST MINUTE AND A HALF PROBABLY.
WELL, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR MR. ANDERSON TO GET ON.
CAN YOU HEAR US? COMMISSIONER REEVES? YES, I CAN.
WE ARE, MR. ANDERSON IS HAVING TROUBLE WITH HIS COMPUTER AND ATTEMPTING TO, UM, GET ON MICROPHONE, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE DIFFICULT.
DON'T YOU HATE THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS? I DO.
WELL, MAYBE HE'S USING AN UNFAMILIAR COMPUTER AND HAVING TROUBLE.
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QUESTION WHILE HE WORKS ON THIS ISSUE? I HAVE A QUESTION.WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT.
UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED IT EARLIER, REPLACING THE PREVIOUS BRICK, UH, ON THE NEW CONCRETE RETAINING WALL.
IS THAT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED OR IS THAT AN OPTION? I BELIEVE, UH, THE OWNER PREFERS TO DO IT IN CONCRETE, UM, STAFF AND I THINK TASK FORCE AS WELL HAD A REQUEST TO, TO PLOT IT IN BRICK OR STONE.
I, UM, THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT SPECIFY MATERIAL FOR RETAINING WALLS IN THE DISTRICT, ONLY IN THE PARK.
THERE ARE HOUSES UP AND DOWN MARCELLUS THAT HAVE, UM, CONCRETE CMU STONE.
UM, SO I THOUGHT CONCRETE WOULD, WOULD BE OKAY.
JUST TO CLARIFY ALSO, STAFF AND TASK FORCE, UM, FELT LIKE EVEN IF THE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, FOR STRENGTH WISE SHE WANTED TO DO CONCRETE STRUCTURE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE EVEN LIKE A FACE BRICK OR A FACE FLAGSTONE.
UM, MR. PENA, DO THEY STILL HAVE THE BRICK THAT USED TO BE ON IT THAT THEY COULD USE FOR A FACE MATERIAL? UM, LISA'S SHAKING HER HEAD AND SHE WOULD KNOW.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE THAT BRICK AVAILABLE.
IT, AND IT DIDN'T MATCH THE HOUSE.
THEY WERE BOTH YELLOW, BUT THE, THE RETAINING WALL BRICK WAS LIGHTER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR HAS MR. ANDERSON SOLVED HIS COMPUTER PROBLEM YET? NO.
UM, YOU COULD TRY THAT, BUT YOU COULD FACETIME ME AND I COULD PUT IT UP.
LET ME JUST, JIM, I'M CALLING YOU.
I'M GONNA HOLD YOUR PHONE UP TO THE MICROPHONE OVER TO THE MICROPHONE WHEN YOU ANSWER.
WELL, I'M GONNA CALL YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE A WAY OF MAKING NO DEVICES WORK.
MR. ANDERSON, ANSWER YOUR PHONE, JIM.
OKAY, NOW ASK YOUR QUESTION INTO MY MICROPHONE.
HIS QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF FENCES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? THE FRONT YARD FENCE CAN BE UP TO THREE AND A HALF FEET AND 50% OPEN.
KEEP WORKING ON YOUR COMPUTER,
AND WE HAVE NEVER RESOLVED THE ISSUE, WHETHER THAT MEANS PLUS THE HEIGHT OF THE RETAINING WALL OR, OR I'LL BY ITSELF.
PLEASE HELP THE, UM, LAKE CLIFF ORDINANCE DOES NOT SPECIFY IT.
SO, SO YOU JUST TAKE IT, UM, AS TO WHERE THE GROUND IS.
UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE, UH, FENCE REGULATIONS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ALL ENCOMPASSING GENERAL FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS ON THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, IT'S ON THE LOWER OF THE TWO.
IF THERE IS A GRADE CHANGE ON THE SIDE AND REAR, IT'S ON THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO ONLY ON THE FRONT IS IT THE LOWER OF THE TWO.
AND THE GRADE CHANGE, IT DEFINES IT AS A CHANGE GREATER THAN 12 INCHES IN A DISTANCE OF 36 INCHES.
SO A RETAINING WALL THEREFORE CHANGES THE GRADE WITHIN THAT RATIO.
SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE LOWER AND, UH, GENERAL FRONT YARD FENCE REGULATIONS FOR THE CITY IS 48 INCHES.
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HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCES DO OVERRIDE SOME OF THAT STUFF.THIS GRADE CHANGE AT THE, THE, THE WALL'S TWO FEET TALL, RIGHT? IS THAT, DID I READ THAT RIGHT ON? YES.
SO IT'S A TWO FOOT TALL DISTANCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHY WE SEE A LOT OF THE HOME
AND MY DOOR, IT ALSO BLOCKS THE HOUSE, RIGHT? SO, OH YEAH.
SO, SO IT'S MESSY AND IT BLOCKS THE VIEW OF THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO FURTHER UP INTO THE YARD AND IF YOU BRING THE FENCE FURTHER DOWN, YOU ACTUALLY CAN STILL HAVE A NICE VIEW OF THE HOME.
SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PHOTOS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT, LIKE THE BEAUTIFUL VICTORIAN HOUSE ON THE CORNER THERE, CAN'T REALLY SEE THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE FENCE HAS TO BE PULLED UP FURTHER ON THE TERRACE AND THEN IT THEN BLOCKS TOWARD THE HOUSE.
UM, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE IT FURTHER DOWN.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ONLINE.
I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MA'AM.
UM, IF, AND I OFTEN DO THIS, I'M NOT SAYING I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
I ALWAYS SAID I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE WILL DO, RIGHT? IF IT WERE THAT WE WERE NOT WILLING TO APPROVE THE FENCE THE WAY IT IS, BUT TO APPROVE THE RETAINING WALL BECAUSE YOU NEED THAT TO SAVE YOUR TREE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU COULD LIVE WITH FOR TODAY? IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN NOTHING AT ALL.
AND SOMETIMES THAT'S WHAT ONE CAN GET, ISN'T IT? YES.
SO, YES, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THAT IS A POSSIBLE WAY TO GO IF WE CANNOT COME UP WITH A YES CAN HAVE A SECOND.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY GIVING ME A LOT OF LIKE, I'M LIKE EVERY DAY I'M IT OKAY.
AND WE WANT ALL THE TREES TO BE HAPPY AND LIVE BECAUSE THEY GIVE US OXYGEN.
WELL, IT'S A HUGE HISTORIC TREE AND IT, IT'S WHAT MAKES PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? YEAH.
TO GO IN THERE AND IT, IT GIVES IT PART OF THAT FEEL.
UM, WE WANT THE TREES TO, TO STAY.
SO AT THIS POINT, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS FURTHER QUESTIONS, I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
YOU'VE GOT A RANGE OF OPTIONS FOR WHAT YOUR MOTION COULD BE ABOUT, BUT I AM LOOKING FOR ONE MADAM CHAIR.
IF YOU ARE TO TAKE THE FENCE IN THE RETAINING WALL SEPARATELY, WE WOULD FIRST NEED A MOTION TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION TO TAKE THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.
IT WAS WITHIN OUR PACKET, A SUGGESTION MADE BY THE, UM, ARCHITECT ITS PACKET AS A PHASE AS IN OF THE OPTION.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF DOING THE FIRST PHASE AND NOT THE SECOND.
RIGHT? BUT IF SHE WERE TO APPEAL, 'CAUSE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY APPROVING THE RETAINING WALL AND DENYING THE FEDS, WE HAVEN'T SAID THAT YET.
IF, IF, IF WE, IF WE GO WITH THAT OPTION, YOU'RE APPROVING, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY APPROVING THE RETAINING WALL AND DENYING THE FENCE, RIGHT? SO THAT THAT'S WHAT IT, IT HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE TO, TO APPROVE THE OFFENSE.
SO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A DENIAL, THEY COULD APPEAL THAT PORTION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION AND HAVE A CLEAN RECORD.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BERGER'S GONNA MAKE A MOTION.
DID WE DECIDE ON WHETHER THE, THE CONCRETE WAS GONNA BE FACED WITH SOMETHING? WE HAVE NOT DECIDED ANYTHING YET BECAUSE WE DO NOT YET HAVE A MOTION UPON.
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TO DISCUSSION, UH, COURTNEY, POLICY IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM 3 6 2 6 NORTH MARCELLUS AVENUE CA 2 3 4 3 3 9 WI MOVE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I, I, IF I WERE TO DISCUSS IT, I HAVE TO ADMIT I REMAIN A LITTLE CONFUSED.
I, I I CAN SEE HOW MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY.
SO THIS WALL WOULD HAVE A FENCE OR NO FENCE OR IT WOULD BE FACED OR NOT FACE IF IT'S FACED WITH BRICK OR, SO THIS STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE THING.
A RETAINING WALL WITH A FENCE.
THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE BOTH OPTIONS, BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE RETAINING WALL AND FENCE, BUT MUST BE FACED IN EITHER BRICK OR STONE TO BE, UH, FINALIZED WITH STAFF.
AND IF I MAY, MARCUS, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THERE'S ALSO ZONING REGULATIONS, THOSE TWO DIFFERENCES AS WELL, JUST IN PREPARATION, RIGHT? SO FOR WHAT RESTRICTIONS ARE THE STAFF APPROACH WAS THAT, UM, EITHER, EITHER WOULD BE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE.
UM, THERE IS THE QUESTION OF HOW IT WILL GO WHEN IT, WHEN THEY GO FOR A PERMIT AND THIS LEAVES THEM SOME OPTIONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN IT'S TIME TO CALL FOR A VOTE.
SORRY, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
OH, MR. NO, SO, BUT, UM, THE, OKAY, SO WHEN THEY'VE APPLIED FOR A PERMIT, THOUGH, IT MAY NOT PASS JUST BECAUSE OF ITS HEIGHT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S ONLY, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED 42 INCHES FROM THE LOW SIDE.
THEORETICALLY, IF OPTION ONE DOESN'T, ACCORDING TO THE ARCHITECT, MR. PENA, WHO, WHO HAS WORKED WITH THIS A LOT, UM, THEORETICALLY OPTION TWO WILL WORK IF OPTION ONE DOESN'T.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? AND THIS IS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, HANG ON.
OUR ATTORNEY WISHES TO SPEAK AND IF THE FIRST OPTION DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT, THEY COULD GO IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO ASK FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE FED'S HEIGHT.
AND THEY COULD GET IT THAT WAY.
MAYBE YOU'RE NOT GUARANTEED THEY'LL GET IT THOUGH.
UM, I I'M, WE'RE APPROVING LOOKING AT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
THEN DO WE NEED TO USE THE WIGGLE ROOM CLAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BY THE ORDINANCE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT IT A, ACCORDING TO OUR CRITERIA, UM, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE CRITERIA IS LACK OF BEING SPECI, LACK OF SPECIFIC SPECIFICITY, SPECIFIC
UM, BECAUSE IT DOES, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY GET INTO THE DETAILS, IT DOES BOTH OF THE OPTIONS DO MEET OUR CRITERIA.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT IT MIGHT NOT AND THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW.
ALRIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE, WE'RE READY TO VOTE.
AND APPEARS THAT THIS IS, IS CARRIED AND GOOD LUCK WITH ALL THE FURTHER REVIEWS.
I'M SURE THIS COULD GET COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING, BUT WE DID OUR PART WITH CLARITY, I HOPE.
ITEM FIVE, SINCE MR. PENA HAS SIGNED UP FOR THAT ONE AS WELL.
WE DO HAVE SOMEONE HERE FOR NUMBER FOUR.
AND, UH, MR. PENO LOVES PRESERVATION.
HE LIKES TO LISTEN TO US, RIGHT?
WELL, WELL LET, LET'S, UM, OKAY, LET, LET'S GO AHEAD.
THE WAY WE ALREADY SAID IT, I'M SORRY, BUT JUST SOMETIMES IT, WE'RE SITTING AROUND HERE FOR, UM, CHAIR MONTGOMERY.
I NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHO MADE THE MOTION, WHO SECOND THE MOTION FOR THE TRANSCRIPTION? I CAN'T HEAR AND, AND THEY'RE SAYING IT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S, OKAY.
WE HAVEN'T FINISHED A MOTION RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY MOTIONING ANYTHING.
SO WE'LL JUST GO ON THE WAY WE HAVE IT SET.
UH, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR IS NEXT.
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CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 59 2, EXCUSE ME, 59 0 2 SWISS AVENUE, SWISS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 3 4 7 CM.THE REQUEST, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SINGLE FRONT DOOR AND TWO SIDE LIGHTS WITH A SET OF DOUBLE METAL FRENCH DOORS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SINGLE FRONT DOOR AND TWO SIDELIGHTS WITH A SET OF DOUBLE METAL FRENCH DOORS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 63 1 16, 1 P ROMAN ONE AND ROMAN SIX.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
AND TASK FORCE, MY APOLOGIES IN RESEARCH OVER HERE.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SINGLE FRONT DOOR AND TWO SIDELIGHTS WITH A SET OF DOUBLE METAL FRENCH DOORS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE ALRIGHTYY.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS.
STEVEN, I'M NOT GOING TO TRY YOUR LAST NAME BECAUSE I WOULD NOT, NOT TO GET IT WRONG.
IT'S MUCH BETTER FOR YOU TO TELL US HOW IT SHOULD SOUND.
UH, STEVEN GOIA GOIA, UM, 5 9 0 2 SWISS AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT YOU NEED TO ADD TO, UM, TO WHAT YOU HAVE SENT US ALREADY.
AND I KNOW YOU HEARD THE BRIEFING, SO YOU HEARD SOME ABOUT YES.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU GUYS REALLY KNOW THE WHOLE STORY OR I'M, I'M SURE, UM, CHRISTINA GAVE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION.
UH, THE, THE REASON THE, THAT METAL DOOR IS THERE IS BECAUSE I HAD ONE OF THOSE ON A JOB SITE THAT THE GUY THAT WORKED FOR ME COULDN'T FIX THE OLD ONE.
IT WAS SITTING THERE, I WAS OUTTA TOWN.
HE PUT THAT ONE PARTICULAR ONE IN.
WHEN I GOT BACK, THAT'S WHEN I WENT AND, UM, TOOK THE OTHER DOOR TO A, UM, A CARPENTER THAT HAD REBUILD IT.
AND LIKE SHE SAID, HE DISAPPEARED.
I, I DID THIS COMPLETELY WRONG.
I SHOULD HAVE APPROACHED THIS SITUATION A LONG TIME AGO, BUT LIFE GOT IN THE WAY AND THAT FALLS DIRECTLY ON ME.
I'M, IT IS BEEN A GREAT DAY TO LEARN WHAT YOU GUYS ALL DO HERE 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY TRUE, ACTUALLY.
I LEARNED A LOT, A REAL LOT TODAY AND SAW SOMETHING REALLY BEAUTIFUL WITH, UH, QUEEN CITY.
SO ANYWAYS, MOVING FORWARD, UM, THIS IS MY FAULT.
I PUT MYSELF OUT HERE ON, ON YOU GUYS.
UM, THIS, THIS DOOR WAS AN ISSUE FROM DAY ONE.
AT THAT POINT MY FAMILY JUST FELT SAFER.
MY SON, MY WIFE, AND I KNOW THE METAL DOOR AND A FRENCH DOOR CAN IS NOT SUPPOSED TO REPLACE A SINGLE DOOR WITH HIS SIDELIGHTS.
I KNOW THIS, I'M AWARE OF WHY I'M WHAT I'M UP AGAINST RIGHT NOW.
UM, I, I DID LEARN A LOT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MY HOUSE, UM, THE TERM, I GUESS IF I WAS WONDERING WHAT KIND OF HOME I HAD.
AND, UM, I FOUND THAT IT'S NOT A PRAIRIE, IT'S NOT A COLONIAL, IT'S NOT A CRAFTMAN, IT'S ECLECTIC.
WHICH MAKES SENSE FOR MY PERSONALITY BECAUSE I AM USUALLY ALL OVER THE MAP AND BUILDING ALL KINDS OF CRAZY STUFF AS A CONTRACTOR.
UM, I INVOLVE A LOT OF PROJECTS, UM, WITH THE ECLECTIC, I GUESS NAME, WHICH PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT STYLES INVOLVED IN IT FROM DIFFERENT ROOF LINES, CHIMNEYS, PIERS, ALL KINDS OF CRAZY STUFF.
UM, THE DOOR THAT I, THAT IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW, I GUESS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ART DECO DOOR IS WHAT I'M TOLD BASED ON WHAT I'VE LOOKED UP AND EVEN WHERE I BOUGHT IT, BOUGHT IT FROM FOR MY CLIENTS.
UM, AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, OUR DECO IS JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF AN ECLECTIC LOOK.
UM, THE WAY MY DOOR IS PUT IN PLACE, IT IS SET BACK INTO IT, INTO THE PORCH, IS PRETTY HARD TO SEE UNLESS YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR IT.
I KNOW THIS IS NO EXCUSE, I'M NOT USING AN EXCUSE, BUT IT IS SET BACK.
UM, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT WAS IN 2021 I PUT IT IN.
THAT'S HOW, HOW LONG IT'S BEEN IN THERE.
AND I SHOULD HAVE, LIKE I SAID, PLENTY OF TIME TO COME HERE AND DO THIS A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, THE SITUATION, I AM WITH THAT DOOR, I HAD TO BUY THAT DOOR WITH THE $6,000 DOOR.
AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT MY FINANCES AND I DON'T BLAME YOU.
UM, I HAD TO BUY ANOTHER ONE FOR MY CLIENT WHEN I GOT BACK BECAUSE I STILL HAD TO PUT ONE IN THEIR HOUSE.
BUT I PLANNED ON GETTING MY DOOR BACK FAST ENOUGH TO TAKE MY DOOR OUT AND PUT IT IN THERE.
MY CLIENT WAS LIKE, YEAH, USE AS LONG AS YOU NEED IT.
WELL, WHEN THEY WANT THEIR HOUSE DONE AND I HAD TO GO BUY A DIFFERENT ONE
I I THERE'S SO MANY THINGS OF, UM, HERE THAT UM, I WOULD GIVE YOU REASONS WHY I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP IT AND UM, I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR ADVICE TO THE BEST FIX TO WHERE THE DOOR CAN STAY.
WHERE IT CAN SAY, IF IT CAN'T, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT IS WHAT IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANYTHING COMPLICATED.
SO
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REASONABLE AND FOR LETTING US KNOW YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR, WHICH MEANS WE NOW KNOW YOU CAN BUY ANY DOOR YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHERE TO GET THEM AT LEASTOH YEAH, IT'S WEALTHY
IT JUST MAY NOT BE THE DOOR FOR THIS HOUSE SOMETIMES THAT, THAT'S TRUE.
ART DECO IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE STYLES.
AND I SUPPOSE THIS WOULD, YOU COULD CALL THIS ART DECO, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE IT A LOT IN DALLAS IN RESIDENTIAL UNFORTUNATELY.
AND THAT, THAT'S OUR WAS SO DO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR OUR APPLICANT? CAN I ADD ONE MORE QUICK LITTLE, I, I PROBABLY HAVE ASKED ONE REAL BIG ADVANTAGE OF THIS DOOR IS OUR FRIEND IS IN A WHEELCHAIR AND WHEN SHE COMES OVER IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO GET IN THE HOUSE.
SHE ACTUALLY WROTE A LETTER ON MY BEHALF ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
SO BECAUSE IT'S A DOUBLE DOOR OR BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT'S A DOUBLE DOOR BECAUSE IT'S A DOUBLE DOOR SIDE.
I HAD ALUMINUM THAT I ROLL UP FRONT FOR HER, BUT THE DOOR ITSELF, SHE JUST LOVES THE FACT THAT NOW IT'S JUST EASIER TO FORGET AND WE PUT A LOT CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS OUT.
IT'S A LOT EASIER GOING THROUGH THAT DOUBLE DOOR WITH ALL THAT STUFF.
OKAY, SO ANYWAYS, THAT WAS A BUNCH OF INFORMATION YOU DIDN'T NEED THERE,
NOW LET'S SEE WHAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY, THEN I'M SURE SOMEONE HAS A MOTION.
SO TODAY THE, THE GRILL IS NOT IN PLACE, CORRECT? THAT WAS JUST A A Y OH IT IS IN PLACE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
I, UM, BUILT, WENT AND GOT ALL THE PIECES OF WOOD AND PAINTED 'EM AND UM, I PUT, UM, SILICONE ON A HOLD 'EM IN PLACE.
I GOT TWO BIG DOOR HANDLES BECAUSE WHAT I READ A LOT WAS THAT THE, THE DOORS WITH THE BIG METAL PADS IN BETWEEN LIKE THAT JUST, THEY'RE, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE MODERN THAN WHAT THE DOOR WOULD BE, UM, IN THE TWENTIES IN OUR DECO DOOR.
AND UM, I CAN ALSO PUT A, UH, A LAMINATE WOOD OVER TOP OF IT, THE DOOR IF THAT WOULD ALSO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.
AND IS THE GRILL ON THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OR IS IT YES.
I DIDN'T PUT THE INSIDE ONES YET.
I JUST PUT THAT SO YOU GUYS COULD, A REAL FEEL OF WHAT I CAN MAKE, MAKE THE DOOR TO LOOK MATCH THE WINDOWS OF THE VESTED EXTERIOR OF THE HOME, ACTUALLY.
ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, I'LL STOP SHARING IF EVERYBODY'S DONE WITH THIS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
ARE YOU GUYS DONE LOOKING AT THE WORK CARD? YEAH, I'VE GOT IT ON MY OWN COMPUTER.
HOPEFULLY EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN.
WELL THESE ARE THE NEW PICTURES THAT WERE ADDED AS OF TODAY.
SO THIS IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE NOW, WHICH IS NOT IN YOUR DOCKET.
THE TWO NEW, OH, THE TWO HANDLE NEW POLES ON BOTH SIDES INSTEAD OF JUST ONE ON THAT SIDE.
CLEARLY NOT A DETAILED DAY, I MEAN.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? ALRIGHT, MY QUESTION IS, OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE.
HOW ABOUT, I SUSPECT THAT THE, UM, ADHERENCE TO THE ORDINANCE, IT WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BY ANOTHER DOOR LIKE YOU HAD BEFORE WITH SIDELIGHTS.
UM, I SUSPECT THAT, THAT, I SUSPECT, I KNOW THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION AS THE BEST ANSWER TO THE SOLUTION.
OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE DIFFERENT ANSWERS TO THIS SOLUTION.
IF SOMEONE ELSE WOULD RATHER MAKE A MOTION, THEY SHOULD DO SO.
AND
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, AND I WILL SPEAK TO THE MOTION.
SO IT'S WARNING, UM, WITH RESPECT TO DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, IF YOU ONE TWO SWISS AVENUE CA 2 3 4 3 4 7 CM.
I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REASONS STATED FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I'LL SECOND THAT AND SPEAK TO THE MOTION.
WE NEED TO SAY WHO SECONDED IT FOR ELAINE'S BENEFITS.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS SECONDED THIS MOTION.
I STRUGGLE WITH THIS BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS ECLECTIC AND I DON'T SEE THAT DOOR AS A, A HUGE DEPARTURE FROM THE OVERALL AESTHETIC OF THE HOUSE.
I TOO AM A PRESERVATION PURIST AND I TEND TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF WHAT WAS THERE,
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EVEN THOUGH WHAT WAS THERE IS PROBABLY LESS PRACTICAL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE PRONE TO MAINTENANCE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.SO, BUT I AM REMINDED BY WHAT, UM, I WAS TAUGHT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO THAT AS MUCH AS ME, WE MIGHT PREFER THAT IT BE, UM, PRESERVATION'S NOT A BEAUTY CONTEST.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT LIKE IT, WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE STYLE AND THE PROPRIETY INVOLVED.
AND I WANTED YOU TO KNOW I STRUGGLED, BUT I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION, TAKE THE HIT.
AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, YOUR SPIRIT AND YOUR ATTITUDE.
AND I'M SORRY YOU HAD THE TROUBLE WITH THE DOOR AND I HOPE THIS DOOR FINDS A A REALLY GREAT HOME.
I WISH I HAD A GREAT HOUSE TO PUT THAT DOOR ON.
'CAUSE I HAVE A PLACE TO FOOTING RIGHT NOW.
I'M GONNA DO THAT THING IT WITH A LOT
AND WE, WE WILL HEAR OTHER COMMENTS AND I WILL, I WILL CLARIFY.
WE CANNOT RULE THAT YOU MUST PUT THE OTHER DOOR BACK IN OR A DOOR JUST LIKE IT.
ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE REQUEST PUT BEFORE US TODAY.
ONE WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO ADVISE YOU HOW TO COME BACK WITH A NEW CA APPLICATION, MORE LIKELY TO FIND SUCCESS AMONG US IF WE SHOULD VOTE ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY MAY SAY ME AND DIANA PRAZ AND THAT'S FINE.
SO WE WILL GLADLY ACCEPT THAT IF THAT IS THE VIEW OF THIS BODY.
UM, I HOPE THAT BEING A CONTRACTOR WOULD HELP YOU DISPOSE OF THE DOOR IN AN APPROPRIATE PLACE.
THAT IT WOULD BE HAPPY
BUT AS ALL WE'RE DOING TODAY IS, UM, VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT WE APPROVE A REQUEST YOU MADE TODAY.
OKAY? WE DON'T MAKE ANYBODY DO ANYTHING.
WE JUST TELL RULE ON WHAT'S BEST TO DO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND TO SERVE THE ORDINANCE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENT OR, OR IS IT TIME TO CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS? THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NO.
THE COMMISSIONER OFFIT AND COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP SO I'M CERTAIN I KNOW.
OKAY, THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED, UH, WITH TWO OPPOSED.
AND I, I WILL TELL THE APPLICANT THAT ANYTIME YOU GET ANY SORT OF DENIAL, YOU MAY APPEAL TO CPC.
THERE'S A FEE TO DO THAT AND ALL THEY'LL BE THINKING ABOUT IS WERE WE WRONG? LIKE WERE WE OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO? BUT YOU ARE CERTAINLY FREE TO DO THAT AND TO MAKE ANY ARGUMENTS YOU WANT.
UH, OR YOU COULD BE, BE FRIENDLIER AND, AND PERHAPS EASIER ON EVERYBODY ROUTE IS TO CONTINUE TO CONFER WITH STAFF ABOUT WHAT PERHAPS OUGHT TO BE THE NEXT STEP.
AND AT LEAST YOU'RE STILL SMILING.
NOT LIKE THAT MAN WHO WALKED AWAY GIVING ME, I'M ALWAYS SMILING.
SO,
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1462 FIRST AVENUE IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 3 6 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO APPLY A CUSTOMIZED COLOR SCHEME OR PALETTE TO PROPOSED NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO APPLY A CUSTOMIZED COLOR SCHEME OR PALETTE TO PROPOSE NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL IN THE WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 2 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT AN AUTOMOTIVE GRADE CLEAR CODE FINISH BE APPLIED TO PROTECT PAINT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION 5.2, SUBDIVISION B FIVE D PERTAINING TO THE LAGOON, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO APPLY A CUSTOMIZED COLOR SCHEME OR PALETTE TO PROPOSE
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NEW OUTDOOR CAROUSEL CAROUSEL IN WEST SIDE YARD OF THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS, CONDITIONS NUMBER ONE, REVISED COLOR SCHEME IS APPROVED.NUMBER TWO, SUBMIT MANUFACTURER'S WARRANTY FOR OUTDOOR USE.
NUMBER THREE, SUBMIT PART REPLACEMENT INFORMATION FROM MANUFACTURER.
AND, AND I I MIGHT SUGGEST YES, WE MAKE SURE WE PUT UP THE COLORS ON
WHAT PAGE OF THAT DOCKET? WHAT PAGE IS THAT IN OUR DOCKET? OH, I BACK THE, UH, MEANWHILE WE HAVE 168 OKAY.
THAT, ALRIGHT, MEANWHILE WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THAT NORM.
GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UH, NORMAN ALSTON, 5 0 6 MONTE VISTA, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 3.
UH, SO WE COME TOGETHER FOR ANOTHER RIDE ON THE CAROUSEL.
UM, APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH THIS TODAY.
UH, IN RESPONSE TO PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD HERE WITH THE COMMISSION, UH, WE HAVE GONE OUT AND, UH, I THINK LAST MONTH HAD SUBMITTED A COLOR SCHEME, A PALETTE, NOT SPECIFIC, BUT A PALETTE OF COLOR THAT WE UNDERSTOOD TO BE CONSISTENT WITH COMMONLY USED DURING THE ART DECO PERIOD.
UH, AGAIN, RESPONDING TO THIS COMMISSION'S REQUEST TO MAKE MODIFICATION TO THE COLOR, COLOR SCHEME.
WE HAVE, UH, GONE IN AND DONE SOME RESEARCH.
YOU WILL SEE IN THE ORIGINAL, THE SUBMISSION IN THIS MONTH THAT WE'VE GOT SOME IMAGES FROM, UH, CAROUSEL THAT WE UNDERSTAND WERE, UH, POPULAR DURING THE, UH, THE EARLY PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY, SPECIFICALLY DURING THE ART DECO POPULARITY PERIOD.
AND FOUND THAT THOSE HAD, UH, SEEMED TO USE A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, OF METALLIC GOLD COLOR.
UH, NOT UNLIKE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT, ALREADY CAME ON ON THIS, ON THIS CAROUSEL WITH, UM, THE POLE, UH, BUT WHICH WE INTEND TO EXPAND UPON AND USE OTHER PLACES.
AND ALSO A LOT OF THE COLOR, A LOT OF THE BACKGROUND COLOR WAS A BEIGE, UH, UH, CREAM COLOR THAT WAS, UH, NOT A HIGHLIGHT, BUT, UH, USING A LOT OF THE LIKE CEILINGS AND, UH, OTHER PLACES IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE USE.
SO IT, YOU SHOULD HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, A COMPARISON THAT SHOWS, UH, ONE KIND OF WHERE THEY MIGHT BE USED, WHAT THE CAROUSEL ITSELF LOOKS LIKE, AND THEN THE LIKE, AS IN THERE YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL COLOR SCHEME, UM, UH, THERE IN THE CENTER AND IN THE IMAGE THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT IS OUR COLORIZATION OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH, UH, THROUGH THE USE OF PHOTOSHOP TO BEGIN TO GIVE A SENSE OF HOW THAT, HOW THAT CAROUSEL WOULD THEN LOOK WITH THE NEW COLOR SCHEME.
UNFORTUNATELY, METALLIC GOLD IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CONVEY DIGITALLY THIS WAY.
SO IT COMES ACROSS AS A KIND OF A, A, A DARK TAN, UH, COLOR.
BUT THAT WHERE IT DOES SAY METALLIC GOLD, THAT WOULD, THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING ONTO THE, UM, UH, ONTO THE, THE CAROUSEL IN RESPONSE TO THE TASK FORCE'S REQUEST FOR, UM, UH, WARRANTY INFORMATION.
UH, THAT SIMPLY ISN'T AVAILABLE UNTIL THE, THE THING IS ORDERED.
WE HAVE ASKED, AND WE'VE ASKED FOR IT PREVIOUSLY, BUT THE ANSWER CONTINUES TO BE, UH, NO, WE'VE ENDEAVORED TO MEET THEIR, THEIR REQUEST AND WE SIMPLY ARE NOT ABLE TO DO SO.
I WOULD SUGGEST THOUGH THAT I'M, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS DONE ANYTHING TO SUGGEST THAT THEY WOULDN'T TAKE CARE OF THIS UNIT ONCE IT WAS INSTALLED AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER INDICATIONS THAT THIS UNIT IS PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE SITTING OUT IN THE WEATHER.
I, I MOVE TO GIVE MR. CHARLESTON TWO MORE MINUTES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF GIVING MR. CHARLESTON TWO MORE MINUTES.
BUT I, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO FULFILL EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED FOR IN THE PAST.
THE ONLY THING WE CAN'T DO ARE THE WARRANTY AND THE DEMONSTRATION THAT IT'S FOR THE OUTSIDE.
WE ARE RELYING ON THE, UH, MANUFACTURER'S ASSURANCES AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE UNIT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FAIR PARK, WE CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THIS, WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE AND LET IT DETERIORATE AND BE AN EYESORE OR DETERIORATE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND BE A, A DRAG ON THE PARK.
SO, UM, UH, HISTORICALLY WE THINK WE'VE, UH, UH, DONE ALL WE CAN TO TO, TO COMPLY WITH
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THIS, THIS COMMISSION'S REQUEST.AND A QUESTION, UM, UM, WHO, WHO WHO SAID FIRST? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
UH, MR. VAN AUSTIN, DO YOU HAVE EXAMPLES OF THIS PARTICULAR CAROUSEL OPERATING OUTDOORS FOR A PERIOD, A LONG PERIOD OF TIME? NO, MA'AM.
THAT'S, IT'S SORT OF, SORT OF A NEW PRODUCT AND EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE I'VE SEEN THESE BUILT INSIDE, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE OUTSIDE.
WELL, AND, AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE MANUFACTURER THAT IT IS, THAT IT IS, UH, MORE THAN CAPABLE TO BE OUTSIDE.
I DON'T, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXAMPLE.
THE, THE MANUFACTURER IS IN CHINA.
THERE IS SOME DIFFICULTY IN COMMUNICATING WITH THEM, BUT WE HAVE ASKED FOR THAT INFORMATION.
IF THERE WERE ANY, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET A RESPONSE.
AND YOU FEEL OKAY ABOUT THESE PEOPLE? YES.
YES, WE HAVE, WE HAVE CONFIDENCE.
WE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE TENANT.
THE ZOO OCEANARIUM, WHO IS THE TENANT FOR THE, FOR THE CHILDREN'S AQUARIUM.
THEY HAVE A VERY LAUDABLE TRACK RECORD OF, OF, OF RUNNING AND MAINTAINING FACILITIES LIKE THIS ELSEWHERE, ST.
AND SO WE, WE, UH, WE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THEM THAT THEY WILL DO, THEY BELIEVE IT WILL WORK AND WE BELIEVE THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT IF SOMEHOW IT DID NOT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I WOULD BUY A WASHING MACHINE WITHOUT A WARRANTY.
AND I BET THIS THING COSTS MORE THAN A WASHING MACHINE.
SO I WOULD BE VERY LEERY OF WHAT THEY TELL YOU.
THE OTHER QUESTION, IS THERE ANY WAY TO TONE DOWN THOSE RED PLUMES AT THE TOP? CERTAINLY THEY COULD BE, UM, THEY COULD BE PAINTED ALSO.
WE ARE, WE ARE RESISTANT TO PAINTING THE DETAIL.
A LOT OF THAT'S AIRBRUSHED IN IT HAS RADIATIONS AND THINGS.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO IS TAKE THE, UH, FLATTER AREAS, THE BACKGROUND AREAS, CEILINGS, UH, WALL PANELS, AND THAT LOWER EDGE OF THE CANOPY THERE.
AND WHERE IT'S, WE CAN READILY APPLY THE NEW COLORS AND SOME OF THE TRIM.
BUT THE, THE DETAIL, THE, UH, UH, THE ROBUST DETAILING ON THE TOP IS I THINK PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THE CAROUSEL ITSELF.
AND IT'S NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL, UH, TO THE SAMPLE CAROUSELS THAT WE'VE SEEN.
I'M SURPRISED THAT YOU COULD GET UGLIER THAN THE ONE YOU SHOWED US BEFORE, BUT YOU SUCCEEDED.
I, I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION ABOUT SOMETHING.
OUR, UH, DUTY AND JOB TODAY IS SIMPLY TO EITHER APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF THE COLOR PALETTE AS PROPOSED.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, IT, YEAH, BASICALLY IT IS, AND I BELIEVE WE ALREADY DISCUSSED AT THE BRIEFING AND CLARIFIED WITH OUR ATTORNEY THAT IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE ANY, UM, PROMISE OF MAINTENANCE BY THE MANUFACTURER.
WE WILL HOLD THE OWNER TO, TO BE MAINTAINING THIS THING PROPERLY.
AND SO WHETHER THEY GET A WARRANTY OR NOT IS, IS THEIR BUSINESS DECISION.
BUT YES, WE ARE, UM, WE ALL RECOGNIZE AND WE HAVE HEARD THE EXPLANATION BEFORE, THAT THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF CAROUSELS AVAILABLE AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE AFFORDABLE FOR THE, THE OR ENTITY BUYING IT.
SO THIS IS THE CAROUSEL THAT'S AN OPTION.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSED PAINT SCHEME MAKES IT COMPATIBLE WITH FAIR PARK OR NOT.
AND IF WE THINK MORE PAINT WOULD HELP, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE CAN SUGGEST OR IF WE HAVE SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLAN FOR COLORS OR WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT BE DONE TO HELP THIS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I CANNOT, YES, EVERYBODY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES, I, UM, I THINK WE ALL LEARNED SOMETHING TODAY IN THE BRIEFING THAT I DID NOT KNOW.
UH, THIS IS NOT THE SAME CAROUSEL THAT WAS APPROVED.
IF YOU COULD SHOW THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE TWO.
MR. ANDERSON REMEMBER THAT WE DID NOT APPROVE ANY SPECIFIC CAROUSEL.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ONE WE USED TO LOOK AT, THEY DON'T MAKE IT THAT WAY ANYMORE.
SO THEY MAKE THIS THAT'S CORRECT INSTEAD? THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH, THAT'S, WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANY CAROUSEL.
WE JUST APPROVED THAT THERE COULD BE A CAROUSEL SUBJECT TO OUR APPROVAL OF ITS APPEARANCE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING THE APPEARANCE OF A CAROUSEL.
SO THE, WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE FIRST ONE, ALTHOUGH WE'RE SWITCHED IT TO A NEW ONE NOW, SO WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE COLORS ON SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT JUST SAID WE DIDN'T APPROVE THAT OTHER CAROUSEL EITHER.
WE HAVE NOT YET APPROVED ANY APPEARANCE FOR THE CAROUSEL.
SO THIS IS THE ONE HE'S ASKING US TO LOOK AT TODAY WITH THE PROPOSED PAINT ADDED.
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MAKE IT FIT OR NOT? IS OUR ISSUE? WELL, THAT HELPS ME A LOT.UH, DURING THE LAST MEETING, WE DISCUSSED A MUTED COLOR PALETTE AND IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS WERE ADDRESSED WITH THE GOLD AND THE BEIGE, BUT THE RED AND THE TURQUOISE AND SOME OF THOSE YELLOW AND ORANGE IS NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE DECO, UH, LOOK THAT I THINK WOULD FIT THIS DISTRICT.
UM, DO YOU CARE TO ARTICULATE THAT OR DISCUSS THAT FURTHER? UM, YEAH.
ONCE WE LOOKED, ONCE WE DID RESEARCH INTO, UH, OTHER CAROUSELS OF THE PERIOD, WE DID FIND AN OVERALL MORE MUTED APPEARANCE TO SOME OF THEM IT WAS, IT WAS A DIFFERENT COLOR SCHEME.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'D EVEN USE THE WORD MUTED, BUT IT IS, IT IS DIFFERENT.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF BRIGHT COLOR AND, UH, DETAIL ON THOSE, ON THOSE, UH, UNITS THERE.
UH, AND, UH, THERE'S A FULL RANGE OF COLORS AVAILABLE.
IT'S FOR THE PROPORTION OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE MUTED TO, TO BRIGHTER ONE.
WE FELT LIKE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE ON THIS ONE TO RETAIN THE DETAIL COLORS AS THEY, AS THEY COME FROM THE FACTORY AND TO DO THE, UH, TO ADDRESS THE MISSION CONCERNS ABOUT MUTED COLORS AND SOME OF THE AREAS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN, IN THE, THE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYBODY WANNA TAKE ON DURING THE MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, GO AHEAD AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT MOTION.
UH, ITEM NUMBER CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 3 6.
I MOVED TO, UH, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPROVED COLOR TOWER.
OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER SPELL, AND WE WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE PROPOSED NEW COLOR PALETTE.
ARE THEY ALSO HEAD IN THERE? THE REQUIREMENT FOR A, A CLEAR COAT FINISH TO PROTECT IT? IS THAT ALSO WHAT YOU ARE MOVING TO DO? MS. OFFIT? Y YES.
I WOULD'VE ASSUMED THAT WAS INCLUDED IN MY FOLLOWUP.
I WOULD'VE ASSUMED THAT TOO, BUT I'VE LEARNED IF WE SAY IT AND IT'S ON THE RECORD, THAT'S BETTER THAN NOBODY HAS TO GUESS THE CALL WHAT WE MEANT.
ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS MOTION? UM, I HAD A QUESTION, UM, ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE DETAILING ON THE, UM, ON THE DECORATIVE PORTIONS OF THE, UM, OKAY.
TECHNICALLY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT BEFORE THE MOTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO QUESTION THE DETAILINGS.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CIRCLES, UM, IN VARIOUS AREAS.
AND WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS, ARE THOSE ACTUAL LIGHT SOURCES OR LAMPS, OR IS IT, UH, PAINTED ON? NO, THE, THE CIRCLES, UH, THE CIRCLES ARE LED LIGHTS.
AND WE'VE SPECIFIED THAT THEY'RE WHITE INSTEAD OF MULTICOLORED THE WAY THEY WERE ORIGINALLY BOTH, BUT SIMPLY WHITE ONLY IS WHAT WE SEE ON OLDER, UH, PARASITES.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST HAVE A, I GUESS MY COMMENT, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT WE ASKED TO MAKE IT KIND OF, UM, MORE SUBTLE, UM, THE PALETTE, I, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT TOWARDS TRYING TO DO THAT.
AND CONTRAST WITH THE COLORATION OF THE, UM, OF THE FAIR PARK.
UH, I DO NOT HAVE, UH, ADMITTED THE EXPERTISE IN THE, THE COLORINGS OF THE EARLY 20TH C AS FAR AS CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES AND A CHILDREN'S CAROUSEL.
I'VE BEEN TO THE MUSEUM, I'VE BEEN TO THE, UH, AND HAD KIDS OUT THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF ORANGE, THERE'S A LOT OF, WHAT DO WE CALL IT? UM, FISH, ORANGE, RED KIND OF, UH, YEAH, YOUR, YOUR, UM, SALT WATER FISH IF YOU WILL.
UM, NEMO, FOR EXAMPLE,
UH, AGAIN, BEEN TO THIS MUSEUM AND JUST THINKING ABOUT THE FUN AND HOW YOU COULD HAVE THAT TONED DOWN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD EFFORT.
IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE GAUDY AS FAR AS THE TOP OF IT WITH THE, UH, THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED.
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THE CHANGE IN THE PAIN.UM, SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, THEN IT'S TIME TO CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
THERE APPEARS TO BE THREE OF US, WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH TO, DID YOU GET ME? OKAY.
IF THERE'S MORE THAN TWO OR THREE, THEN WE DO HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL VOTE BECAUSE I WANT TO BE CERTAIN.
UM, DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY? I SAID NO, NO.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OFFIT AYE.
DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
DISTRICT 10 COMMISSIONER COBB.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER NAY.
DISTRICT 14 COMMISSIONER GUEST.
ALL RIGHT, SO THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED.
MY ONLY OPPOSITION IS BASED ON WISHING TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DESIGNED THE MOST AFFORDABLE CAROUSEL WOULD DO SO IN MORE MUTED COLORS.
THEY'RE JUST SOME LOOKS OF ROOM, BUT I'M SURE THAT THE CHILDREN WILL ENJOY IT AND THEY CERTAINLY WILL NOT CARE THAT IT IS QUIETLY COLORED.
OKAY, NOW WE'RE READY FOR D FIVE DISCUSSION.
ITEM FIVE IS LOCATED AT 2 23 NORTH CLINTON AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 4 1 MW.
THE REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR WEST YARD.
NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RE TO RECONSTRUCT A FRONT PORCH ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST OF A CER FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO-STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR WEST YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 5 18 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P 80 DASH 87 1 11 A ONE.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR, FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RECONSTRUCT A FRONT PORCH ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS DATED 5 18 24.
BUT THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD A FRONT PORCH, THAT THE PORCH WAS LIKELY DESTROYED IN THE 1957 TORNADO, THAT THERE ARE NO KNOWN PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE ORIGINAL PORCH, AND THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH IS CONSISTENT WITH TYPICAL SURROUNDING HOUSES OF THE SAME STYLE.
THE WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 87 1 11, A THREE A NINE, AND A 11.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR WEST YARD.
GENERAL COMMENTS, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH COMMENTS.
ADD WINDOW TRIM ON GARAGE ROOF AND PAINT COLORS.
CONSIDER CHANGING OUTDOOR STAIRS ON ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
CONSIDER CHANGING BACK WALL BALLAST ROD OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
NOTE THE APPLICANT REVISED THE PLANS BASED ON THE TASK FORCE.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO RECONSTRUCT A FRONT PORCH ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
GENERAL COMMENTS, SUPPORTIVE OF FRONT PORCH CONSTRUCTION.
CALL OUT RAILING DETAILS ON FRONT.
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WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER AGAIN, MR. PENA IS HERE.I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH AGAIN.
I THINK YOUR PROMISE WAS FOR THE WHOLE DAY.
EVERYWHERE YOU GO THE REST OF THE DAY, YOU HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, MY, UH, THE OWNERS, MY CLIENTS, UH, CAN BE HERE TODAY.
UM, HE'S ON CALL AT THE HOSPITAL AND SHE'S OUT OF TOWN.
UH, BUT, UH, THEY HIRED ME TO, UH, UH, DESIGN THESE TWO THINGS.
UH, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL BE USED ON THE FIRST FLOOR AS A SHOP.
HE LIKES WOODWORKING AND THE SECOND FLOOR HAS HER OFFICE.
AND SO THIS WILL BE PRIMARILY HER OFFICE WHEN THEY DO HAVE FAMILY IN TOWN, 'CAUSE THEY JUST HAD A NEW BABY, THEY WILL STAY IN THIS, UH, UH, LITTLE ROOM UPSTAIRS.
THEY, THE SITE IS REALLY RESTRICTED.
UM, THERE, THE SANDBORN MAP SHOWS TWO SMALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE GONE.
UH, SO THAT LEAVES A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW A CARPORT.
AND IF IT'S A GARAGE AND WE HAVE TO MEET THE, THE 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE ALLEY, THAT WOULD BE EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE.
UM, SO THE CARPORT, WE INCORPORATED IT INTO THE STRUCTURE BY, UH, POSITIONING THE UPSTAIRS TO OVERHANG AND IT CREATING THE CARPORT UNDERNEATH THAT.
UH, THEY SHARE A DRIVEWAY WITH THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.
UH, UH, THAT'S HOW I, UH, THIS IS, UH, THEY ARE A FULL 50 FOOT WIDE, BUT, UH, THE HOUSE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO GET A CAR TO THE BACK.
AND AGAIN, THEY SHARE THE DRIVEWAY WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
IT, IT STRADDLES THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, AND, AND, UH, THERE WAS RESTRICTION OF THE SITE WHERE, KIND OF WHAT DICTATED THAT, THAT CONFIGURATION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE PORCH, UM, WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE WAS A PORCH THERE.
I MEAN, THE SANDBORN MAT SHOWS IT, UM, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR THAT THEY SHARE A DRIVEWAY WITH, UH, UM, THE OWNER OF THAT HOUSE, UM, BELIEVES THAT HER PORCH WAS ALSO REBUILT AFTER THE TORNADO.
UH, SO, SO THAT LEADS US, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT LEADS TO THIS, UH, UH, THOUGHT THAT, THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN FORMED DURING THE TORNADO, BUT WE KIND OF CONFIRM IT.
UM, BUT THERE IS A PORCH, UH, UH, LIKE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S MISSING THE POINT
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE LITTLE, UH, HANDRAIL AND THE STEPS TO THE SIDE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, WE DON'T SEE MANY OF THOSE IN THE DISTRICT.
UM, IS THERE A WAY TO, UM, ON THE FRONT PORCH? YES.
OFF THE FRONT PORCH ON THE LEFT AS IT STEPS DOWN? MM-HMM.
AND THERE, THAT'S TOWARDS THE SHARED DRIVE.
IS THERE A WAY TO MINIMIZE THE LOOK OF THAT? LIKE, COULD THAT BE, UM, INSTEAD OF A CONTINUATION OF A RAILING, COULD THAT BE, COULD THAT TRANSITION MAYBE TO, I DUNNO, LIKE METAL OR SOMETHING? SO IT KIND OF DISAPPEARS? TO ME, IT LOOKS A LITTLE EXTRANEOUS, A LITTLE DISTRACTING, A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL REFER TO YOU BECAUSE, UM, YEAH, WE, WE CAN MAKE THE RAILING, THE WOOD RAILING, UH, WRAP SOME, REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE STEPS, AND THEN, UH, JUST DO A SIMPLE PIPE, UH, FOR, FOR A HANDRAIL.
JUST FOR, SO THAT, FOR SAFETY, I MEAN, YEAH.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE CRISP AND CLEAN.
UM, YOU LITTLE LESS
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
OH, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A QUORUM THERE TECHNICALLY, BUT TECHNICALLY SINCE FRED HAD TO RETRIEVE, THAT'S WHAT MEAN IT NO LONGER HAD A QUORUM.
SO YOU MEAN THE TASK FORCE? WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT THE TASK FORCE SHOWED UP AND THEN TOOK OFF?
THEY DEFINITELY HAD IDEAS, BUT IT WAS JUST VERY HEAVY ISSUES HAVING BEEN A TASK FORCE MEMBER NOW FOR HOW MANY YEARS? LITTLE OVER PEN ONE.
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MR. PENA.I HAD A, UH, FEW QUESTIONS ON, UH, SOME OF THE DETAILING OF THE EXTERIOR SKIN.
UM, SO I NOTICED IT'S MOSTLY, UH, WOOD TR OR WOOD SIDING AROUND THE, THE HOME, BUT THEN JUST THE PORTION THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ABOVE THE ROOF OF THE PORCH AND BELOW THE, THE EXISTING GABLE OR THE UM, YEAH, THE, THE END OF THE, UM, THE OVERHANG OF THE ROOF.
THAT'S LIKE A STUCCO OR A, OR A SMOOTH SURFACE BOARD WITH IT'S SMOOTH SURFACE BOARD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S THERE NOW, RIGHT? UH, SO, SO THE THINKING IS THIS PORCH THAT HAS BEEN MISSING FOR DECADES AS FAR AS I KNOW, UM, THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE STORY.
SO, SO THIS, UH, UH, MY, MY INITIAL, UH, THOUGHT IN ADDING A PORCH IS I, I FOUND SEVERAL HOUSES WITH THIS KIND OF BIG ROOF WITH, WITH A LARGE CENTRAL, UH, UH, DORMER.
AND THE, THE WAY THE PORCHES ARE IS THERE'S JUST A BEND IN THE ROOF AND THAT CREATES THE PORCH AND, AND MAPPING IT OUT LIKE SYMMETRICALLY FRONT TO BACK, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT HAD.
BUT THAT WOULD BE CONJECTURAL.
SO BY LOWERING THAT, THAT PORCH ROOF DOWN, JUST AS A SIMPLE SHED, UH, UM, IT ALLOWS THIS PREVIOUS STORY TO STILL BE THERE ALONG WITH A NEW PORCH.
UH, SO, SO MY EFFORT AND, AND UH, OR THE REASON I LEFT THAT AS, AS THAT SMOOTH BOARD IS TO, TO LET IT CONTINUE, UH, HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT'S THERE NOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
'CAUSE I SEE YOU, UH, DUPLICATED THAT DETAIL AROUND THE SKIN OF THE, OF THE PORCH ITSELF TOO.
BUT I GUESS MY ONLY ISSUE WITH IT IS THAT THIN BATTEN DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S, UM, SORT OF A FREEZE.
IT, IT'S SO THIN, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU TURN THE CORNER INTO, UM, AND THEN YOU BECOME THE, THE, THE CEILING SURFACE.
WOULD THERE ACTUALLY BE A BEAM AND THEN THE CEILING IS HIGHER THAN THAT PLANE? IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YES.
LIKE IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE REFLECTED CEILING, YES.
YEAH, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHAT THOSE CORNER DETAILS.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WAS TALKING EARLIER IN THE, UM, IN THE DISCUSSION PERIOD THIS MORNING, UM, ABOUT SWITCHING FROM A CONCRETE FOUNDATION THEN TO A WOOD FOUNDATION FROM THE, FOR THE PORCH.
I, I'VE KIND OF CHANGED MY MIND ON THAT.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
WHAT I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THOUGH, 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF YOUR EXAMPLES IS, UH, SWITCHING TO WOODEN STAIRS.
'CAUSE I THINK THE PREVALENT THING THERE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE, THE WATERFALL, UM, UM, STEPS AT THE END OF THE SIDEWALK, THAT THOSE WERE CONCRETE AND I THINK CONCRETE WOULD HERE FOR THE STEPS THEMSELVES, NOT FOR ANY OTHER PORTIONS OF THE, OF THE PORCH WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, AS WOULD ANYONE ELSE.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACCESSORY BUILDING?
WE JUST LOVE PORSCHES MORE THAN WE LOVE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.
UM, SO ON THE, ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, I KNOW IT'S A BIT ECLECTIC.
IT'S GOT FORMS KIND OF RUNNING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THE ATTACHED STAIR AND PART OF, PART OF THE FIRST FLOOR BEING UNDERNEATH SECOND FLOOR.
AND THEN PART OF IT NOT, UH, I KNOW THERE'S, IT'S GONNA INTRODUCE SOME WATER ISSUES, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THE WAY THE WATER DRAINS OFF OF THAT, THAT UPSTAIRS PORCH.
UM, AND SO I WAS NOTICING THE WAY PLACED THE FENESTRATION BOTH ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, THERE'S A PAIR OF DOORS THAT OPEN INTO THE SHOP AND THEY'RE KIND OF HALFWAY IN THE COVER AND HALFWAY OUT.
MM-HMM,
I KNOW YOU STILL HAVE WINDOWS AND, AND ANOTHER DOOR THAT'S, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE COVER.
BUT YOU CAN HOPEFULLY MANAGE WATER COMING OFF OF THAT, THAT, UH, FLOOR SURFACE PARTICULARLY 'CAUSE THE SECOND FLOOR IS DRAINING ONTO THAT FLOOR TOO.
SO WATER'S JUST GONNA SKIN, YOU KNOW, UM, WORK ITS WAY DOWN THE SURFACE AND TRY AND FIND A WAY INTO THE BUILDING.
UM, I ALSO NOTICED THAT YOUR FENESTRATIONS WEREN'T, UH, MENTIONED ON THE PLAN.
SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ON THE, I GUESS ON THE HERE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ELEVATION, THE WINDOW IS ALMOST IN THE MIDDLE, BUT IT'S NOT, NOT ON THAT ELEVATION, BUT ON THE GABLE END THERE, NOT THAT ONE, BUT ONE MORE.
UM, COULD YOU PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE? UH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE, OKAY.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY SUGGESTIONS FOR THOSE ELEVATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT A MOTION,
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I, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE MATTER OF SURE.
ON THE MATTER OF, UH, CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 4 1 AT 223 NORTH CLIFTON AVENUE.
I MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'M TRYING TO SEE WHICH PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION I SHOULD READ.
UH, TO APPROVE, UM, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU MEAN STAFF OR TASK FORCE? STAFF.
AND WOULD THAT BE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, FOR THE REASON THEY STATED WHICH, CORRECT.
ELAINE, WANTING CLARIFICATION.
AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS SECOND? THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN.
I'D LIKE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE CHANGE TO THE STAIR RAILING ON THE FRONT PORCH? UH, MR. TAYLOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND IT WITH THE CHANGE TO THE SIDE STAIR RAILING THAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT AND HE SAID WOULD BE FINE? SURE.
AND THAT WAS A CHANGE TO JUST A SIMPLE PIPE INSTEAD OF A FULL BALLER YES.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE SECOND? YES.
ALRIGHT THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH.
WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WITH LIGHTS ON.
I'D LIKE TO ADD A FEW CONDITIONS IF I MAY.
COMMISSIONER RENO WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD SOME CONDITIONS AND IT'S UP TO MR. TAYLOR WHETHER HE WISHES TO, UM, INCORPORATE THOSE.
UM, FIRST CONDITION IS THAT ON THE FRONT PORCH, THAT THE STEP, THE ONE, THE STEPS THAT ARE FACING THE STREET, THAT THOSE BE BUILT OUT OF CONCRETE RATHER THAN WOOD.
UM, AND ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT, UM, THE FENESTRATIONS ARE PLACED TO BE, UM, BOTH CENTRAL TO ELEVATIONS AND, UM, WEATHERIZED.
I'M FINE WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS.
SEE, YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING INTO WHEN YOU SECONDED THIS ONE.
CENTRAL AND WEATHERIZED REFLECTING THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED EARLIER.
ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THEY APPEAR TO BE NONE.
YOU CAN TELL YOUR CLIENT AND THE ON THE OWNER THAT, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND GOOD LUCK WITH THE WORK.
DO I NEED TO SUBMIT, UM, AMENDED DRAWINGS THAT YES.
YOU'LL YOU'LL SUBMIT YOUR ADVISED DRAWINGS TO ME.
WE LIKE DRAWINGS, LOVE DRAWINGS HERE.
D TWO CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 2 7 0 7 NESBIT DRIVE, JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 3 4 5 CM.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE EXISTING 48 INCH BY 36 INCH BLUEBIRD ATTIC VENT AND REPLACE WITH THE NEW 48 INCH BY 36 INCH FLY GEM SELECT SERIES.
SAND VINYL LEFT HAND SLIDING WINDOW WITH HPSC GLASS STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE EXISTING 48 INCH BY 36 INCH ATTIC VENT AND REPLACE WITH THE NEW 48 BY 36 INCH FLY GEM SELECT SERIES.
SAND VINYL LEFT HAND SLIDING WINDOW WITH HPSC GLASS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION FIVE, PERTAINING TO FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS
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THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE OR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE EXISTING 48 BY 36 INCH LOUVERED ATTIC VENT AND REPLACE WITH NEW 48 BY 36 INCH SUPPLY GYM SELECT SERIES, SAND VINYL LEFT HAND SLIDING WINDOW WITH HPSC GLASS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE PER SECTIONS 5.1 AND 5.3 VIRGINIA HEIGHTS ORDINANCE.ALL RIGHT, WE DO NOT SEEM TO HAVE ANY SPEAKERS REGISTERED ON THIS ONE.
AND AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE BRIEFING, THERE'S SOME COMPLEXITY TO THE ISSUES PORTION UNSTUFFED.
SO, UM, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF, WHICH I THINK WE ALREADY SORT OF ASKED, UM, WE SHOULD, SOMEONE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE COULD CLARIFY WHAT OUR, UH, CONCERNS ARE THAT LEAD US TO PERHAPS CONSIDER THAT A MO MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER, I MOVE, UH, IN REGARDS TO, I'M SORRY, I LOST MY, HE LOST HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
IT HAPPENS A LOT AT THIS HOUR THERE.
IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM 2, 7 0 7 NESBIT DRIVE CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 4 5 CM.
I MOVE THAT WE, UH, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE OF REQUEST PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY DISCUSSION? AND I GUESS YOU'RE READY TO VOTE I'D ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE APPLICANT HERE, IT FALLS UPON STAFF TO CONTACT AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE SAID, LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE OPTION OF APPEALING AND THE BASIS ON WHICH THE CPC WOULD RULE AND INVITE THEM, OF COURSE, TO COME BACK AND TALK TO US AND, AND PLEASE ADVISE THEM OF SOME THINGS WE DISCUSS WITH THE BRIEFING, THE ISSUES ABOUT THE PORCH AND OUR SYMPATHY FOR BUYING A HOUSE THAT CAME WITH THIS ISSUE.
BUT THAT HAPPENS YES, SOMETIMES.
AND WE WOULD WELCOME THEM TO PUT IN A NEW CA AND THEY SHOULD ASK YOU HOW THEY COULD DO THAT.
WELL, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO THEM AND CLARIFY FURTHER ANYTHING, ANYTHING FURTHER THAT THEY'RE CONFUSED ABOUT, WHICH WE PURPOSELY UNDERSTAND THEY MIGHT BE OKAY.
I THINK THE ONLY THING LEFT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IS TO, IF THERE'S ANYTHING, IF, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE SUBMITTED THAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO REVISE THEM? ALL RIGHT, THEN DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COX FOR MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
SECOND AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? WELL, THANK GOODNESS NOT ALL RIGHT.
THAT CONCLUDES ALL BUSINESS FOR TODAY, CORRECT.
OKAY, THEN IT IS 3 53, WHICH COMES BEFORE FOUR O'CLOCK.
AND WE ARE ADJOURNED THIS MISSION ON THIS, THIS MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
I, GOOD THING WE'RE GETTING OUTTA HERE EARLY.