Jun 05, 2024 Council Briefing

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YOU'RE WATCHING THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WITH MAYOR ERIC L JOHNSON.

MAYOR PRO TEM TENNELL ATKINS.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CAROLYN KING ARNOLD.

COUNCIL MEMBERS CHAD WEST, JESSE MORENO.

ZARIN GRACEY.

JAIME RESENDEZ.

OMAR NARVAEZ.

ADAM BAZALDUA.

PAULA BLACKMON.

KATHY STEWART.

JAYNIE SCHULTZ CARA MENDELSOHN.

GAY DONNELL WILLIS.

PAUL E RIDLEY.

INTERIM CITY MANAGER KIMBERLY BIZOR TOLBERT.

CITY SECRETARY BILIERAE JOHNSON AND CITY ATTORNEY TAMMY PALOMINO.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, JUNE 5TH, 2024.

THE TIME IS 9:53 A.M., AND I NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.

[Call to Order]

MR. CHAPLAIN. FLOOR IS YOURS.

GOOD MORNING. MAYOR AND ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WE THANK YOU FOR LET US GO TO THE LORD IN PRAYER.

FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US THIS DAY TO COME AND TO SHARE WITH OTHERS OUR CONCERNS. WE PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD JUST KEEP US REMINDED THAT ALL THINGS MUST BE DONE IN DECENT ORDER AND THAT YOU, YOU WOULD BE GOVERN US BY OUR ACTIONS TODAY.

SO HELP US TO BE MINDFUL OF WHO YOU ARE AND WHO WE ARE IN YOU, AND WE GIVE YOU THE PRAISE IN JESUS NAME.

AMEN. IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG FIRST, AND THEN THE TEXAS FLAG, THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYONE.

YOU MAY BE SEATED. WE HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS MORNING, SO NEED A LITTLE PATIENCE HERE BECAUSE WE GOT A COUPLE THINGS WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ARE IMPORTANT. SO THE FIRST SPECIAL PRESENTATION IS ONE THAT I WILL HANDLE.

[Special Presentations]

SPECIFICALLY, IT HIGHLIGHTS OUR CITY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH SENDAI, JAPAN, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR FRIENDSHIP CITIES, WHICH GOES BACK SEVERAL DECADES.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING AND REINFORCING THAT FRIENDSHIP WITH SENDAI FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.

SO IN HONOR OF DALLAS SENDAI FRIENDSHIP DAY, I'LL READ A PORTION OF THE THE SPECIAL PROCLAMATION THAT WE DID.

WHEREAS SINCE 1970, THE JAPAN AMERICA SOCIETY OF DALLAS FORT WORTH HAS STEADILY BUILT FRIENDSHIPS AND UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITIZENS OF JAPAN AND AMERICA AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE EXPANSION OF JAPANESE BUSINESS, CULTURAL EXCHANGE, AND EDUCATION IN THE DALLAS REGION.

AND WHEREAS, IN 1991, THE JAPAN AMERICA SOCIETY FORMED A DALLAS, JAPAN SISTER CITY COMMITTEE TO SELECT A COUNTERPART CITY IN JAPAN, AND IN 1992, THE CITY OF DALLAS SENT ITS FIRST DELEGATION TO SENDAI, JAPAN, AND WHEREAS IN 1996, THE CITY OF DALLAS OFFICIALLY SIGNED A FRIENDSHIP AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF SENDAI. AFTER SEVERAL DELEGATION VISITS BETWEEN OUR TWO CITIES AND EXCHANGES OF CULTURAL AND BUSINESS PARTNERSHIPS, THAT SAME YEAR, THE CITY OF DALLAS SENT THE FIRST SPORTS AMBASSADORS TO SENDAI TO RUN IN THE SENDAI INTERNATIONAL HALF MARATHON, AND WHEREAS IN JANUARY 2022, MAYOR ERIC JOHNSON HOSTED AN OFFICIAL DELEGATION LED BY SENDAI CITY MAYOR KAZUKO KORI AT DALLAS CITY HALL TO COMMEMORATE THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SENDAI DALLAS INTERNATIONAL FRIENDSHIP CITY RELATIONSHIP.

AND WHEREAS THE SPRING DALLAS RUNNERS ALBERT MORBAN AND JENNIFER POPE REPRESENTED THE CITY OF DALLAS IN THE SENDAI INTERNATIONAL HALF MARATHON, BOTH RUNNERS PLACED AT THE TOP OF THE SISTER CITIES COMPETITION, WITH ALBERT PLACING SECOND IN THE MEN'S COMPETITION AND JENNIFER PLACING FIRST IN THE WOMEN'S NOW.

THEREFORE, I, ERIC L JOHNSON, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, DO HEREBY EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO THE JAPAN AMERICA SOCIETY OF DALLAS FORT WORTH AND THE DALLAS SPORTS AMBASSADORS ALBERT MORBAN AND JENNIFER POPE, IN HONOR OF THEIR OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE INTERNATIONAL SUCCESS AND CITIZEN DIPLOMACY BETWEEN SENDAI,

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AND I DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JUNE 5TH, 2024 AS DALLAS SENDAI FRIENDSHIP DAY IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

SO IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME DOWN, LET'S GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND LET'S GET A PHOTOGRAPH WITH THE COUNCIL AND ALL OF YOU AROUND THE HORSESHOE.

AND THEN I WILL RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ FOR OUR SECOND SPECIAL PRESENTATION OF THE DAY.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR LONGEST FRIENDSHIP CITY RELATIONSHIPS IN THE CITY AND ONE WE'RE VERY PROUD OF.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING ME THAT TIME TO DO THAT RECOGNITION.

ONCE YOU GUYS GET ALL SETTLED BACK IN.

WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION FROM CHAIRMAN OMAR NARVAEZ WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE A SPECIAL RECOGNITION TODAY ON BEHALF AND IN RECOGNITION OF THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION, CLASS OF 2024.

WHEREAS THE INAUGURAL CLASS OF THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION RELAUNCHED WITH A TALENTED 15 MEMBER BOARD IN 2015.

AND WHEREAS STUDENTS FROM ACROSS DIFFERENT AREAS OF DALLAS JOINED TOGETHER TO CREATE A LASTING BOND AND ADVOCATE FOR THE YOUTH OF DALLAS BY SPREADING AWARENESS ON YOUTH ISSUES SUCH AS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, GUN VIOLENCE, FOOD DESERTS, GENTRIFICATION, HOMELESSNESS, MASS INCARCERATION, POLICE AND YOUTH RELATIONS, AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS. AND WHEREAS, THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION PROVIDES A MUCH NEEDED VOICE AT CITY HALL FOR THE YOUTH IN DALLAS AND BRINGS IMPACTFUL CHANGE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS, THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION HAS GAINED THE TOOLS NECESSARY TO BECOME EFFECTIVE AND DEDICATED LEADERS IN DALLAS, AND WHEREAS, THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION CONTRIBUTES TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHILE LEARNING AND SHARING THE SPECIFICS OF DALLAS POLITICAL CLIMATE WITH THEIR PEERS AND COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS, THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION SPEARHEADS NUMEROUS PROJECTS AND WAS AWARDED THE DISTINCTION OF ALL AMERICAN CITY WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND RECEIVED NATIONAL RECOGNITION FOR THEIR WORK IN YOUTH EMPOWERMENT.

AND WHEREAS, THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION PRODUCED ITS SECOND EDITION OF THE DALLAS YOUTH MAGAZINE, WHICH WAS DISTRIBUTED TO 50,000 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, AND WHEREAS, THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION PARTICIPATED IN INTERVIEWS AND FINISHED THE SECOND SEASON OF THE ALL TEEN EVERYWHERE PODCAST, FOCUSED ON INFORMING HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ON IMPORTANT MATTERS IN DALLAS.

AND WHEREAS, THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION SUCCESSFULLY SPEARHEADED A WORKSHOP FOR THE WELCOMING INTERACTIVE 2024 CONFERENCE CENTERED AROUND THE STRUGGLES AND TRIUMPHS OF IMMIGRANT YOUTH IN DALLAS.

AND WHEREAS, THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION TRAVELS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO ADVOCATE AND MAXIMIZE ITS EFFORTS WITH THE OTHER YOUTH LEADERS.

AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF DALLAS COMMENDS THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND OUTSTANDING INNOVATIVE SERVICE, PROVIDING A VOICE AND ADVOCATING FOR YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I OMAR NARVAEZ, COUNCIL MEMBER, DISTRICT SIX, ON BEHALF OF ERIC L JOHNSON, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, DO HEREBY EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION ON JUNE 5TH, 2024 TO THE DALLAS YOUTH COMMISSION CLASS OF 2024.

GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE.

SO, MR. MAYOR AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, THE YOUTH COMMISSION, WE LIKE TO CALL THE JUNIOR CITY COUNCIL.

AND AFTER WHAT I JUST READ, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY WORK, MR. MAYOR. I MEAN, DID YOU HEAR ALL THAT INFORMATION IN THERE THAT THEY HAVE WORKED ON IN THIS PAST YEAR? SO BUT THESE FOUR YOUNG LADIES ARE GRADUATING OR HAVE GRADUATED, I BELIEVE, HIGH SCHOOL.

AND BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T POINT OUT MARGARITA HERNANDEZ, BECAUSE SHE IS THE DISTRICT SIX YOUTH COMMISSIONER FROM LEDBETTER WEST DALLAS.

AND SHE ALSO IS GRADUATED FROM L.G.

PINKSTON HIGH SCHOOL.

AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THESE OTHER THREE YOUNG LADIES HAVE ARE NOT THEY'RE ALL REMARKABLE.

THEY'RE ALL AMAZING.

BUT IT'S JUST A TESTAMENT TO ALL FOUR OF YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.

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BUT IT'S ONE OF THESE HAPPY TIMES BECAUSE THEY ACCOMPLISHED A HUGE FEAT IN GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL.

THAT'S A HUGE, HUGE DEAL.

AND I REMEMBER GRADUATING WAY BACK THEN, AND BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING FOR YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO COLLEGE OR NOT OR WHATEVER YOUR NEXT STEPS ARE.

MY ADVICE IS DON'T LET WHAT YOU DO OR WHAT YOU BECOME OR WHAT YOUR CAREER IS DEFINE YOU.

REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE AND YOU'RE THE DETAILS OF YOU.

IF YOU'RE KIND, IF YOU'RE NICE, IF YOU'RE HAPPY, IF YOU, THAT'S WHO YOU REALLY ARE.

AND SO FOR ME, IT'S LIKE I ALWAYS THINK OF MARGUERITE AS BIG SMILING FACE.

USED TO BE QUIET, SHY GIRL.

NOW SHE'S A JUST POWERFUL WITH A VOICE, YOUNG LADY WHO GETS THINGS DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED.

SO I'M A GO TO PERSON.

SO THANK YOU TO THE YOUTH COMMISSIONERS.

IT'S THE SAD PART IS THAT THEY HAVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THAT'S THE RULES.

BUT IT'S FOR A GOOD REASON.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU FOUR.

CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR TEAM.

YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR CITY STAFF THAT SUPPORT THEM.

AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE NEXT GROUP EVERY YEAR.

IT GETS BIGGER AND BETTER.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE NEXT, THE 2025 YOUTH COMMISSION IS GOING TO TOP THIS, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT.

SO WITH THAT, IF WE CAN GET A PICTURE, MR. MAYOR. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE VERY PROUD OF YOU.

COME ON DOWN. WE'LL TAKE A PHOTO WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.

OH, YEAH. AND WE'RE GOING TO RECOGNIZE THE MAYOR PRO TEM ALSO FOR SOME REMARKS.

BUT COME ON DOWN, FOLKS.

YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY, NUMBER ONE, MY BEST YOUTH COMMISSION.

MISS HAWTHORNE, YOU KNOW WHO GRADUATED EARLY, WHO'S ALREADY IN COLLEGE.

SO. SO THEREFORE, I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO HER AND THE HAWTHORNE FAMILY FOR FOR GIVING HER THE VOLUNTEER TO SHARE DISTRICT EIGHT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN, AND ESPECIALLY THAT PINXTON VIKING.

WE GOT A LOT OF THOSE IN MY FAMILY.

ALL RIGHT, WHILE WE'RE GETTING BACK TO OUR SEATS, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN GRACEY.

THERE YOU ARE, CHAIRMAN GRACEY, FOR A SPECIAL RECOGNITION OR AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

DID YOU HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OR A SPECIAL RECOGNITION? I WAS TOLD YOU. DID.

I KNOW YOU'RE I HAD YOU AFTER HIM.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, THEN WE'RE GOING TO MISS BLACKMON FOR OUR FINAL SPECIAL PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.

OKAY? YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DO IT TOGETHER.

WONDERFUL. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND TODAY, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR FIRST COHORT OF GRADUATES FROM THE CITY'S DALLAS ACCELERATOR PROGRAM, WHICH WE APPROVED IN OCTOBER OF 2023.

ITS INTENT IS TO SUPPORT CAPACITY BUILDING FOR WOMEN OWNED AND MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES LOCATED RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

IT'S CURRENTLY ADMINISTERED BY THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER, AND WE'VE HAD 72 PARTICIPANTS ENROLLED THROUGH THREE SELECTED VENDORS THE GREATER DALLAS HISPANIC CHAMBER, THE BCL OF TEXAS, AND THE DALLAS BLACK CHAMBER.

AND THEY PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL WORKSHOPS AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE TO ACCELERATE THESE BUSINESSES TO THE NEXT LEVEL IN THEIR INDUSTRIES.

THE GREATER DALLAS HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HOSTED ITS INAUGURAL DAP GRADUATION LAST NIGHT RIGHT HERE AT DALLAS CITY HALL.

THESE DAPPERS, AS WE SO CALL THEM, COME ACROSS FROM MANY INDUSTRY SECTORS AND SEVERAL COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

I AM HAPPY TO HIGHLIGHT ONE THAT LIVES IN D9 AND ONE THAT DID LIVE IN D9, BUT IS STILL IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

ALEXIS FLORES IS AN ARCHITECT WHICH HELD A DEAR TO MY HEART AND HAS A STRONG PASSION FOR CREATING AND DESIGNING SPACES THAT POSITIVELY IMPACT PEOPLE'S LIVES.

HER JOURNEY BEGAN WHEN SHE RECEIVED HER FIRST LEGO, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT HAD BEEN MARRIED TO AN ARCHITECT AT THE AGE OF EIGHT AND DECIDED SHE THAT WAS WHERE SHE WAS GOING TO BE. SHE PURSUED A A BACHELOR'S AND A MASTER'S IN ARCHITECTURE AND GAINED VALUABLE EXPERIENCE.

SHE JOINED BRW ARCHITECTS IN 2010 AND QUICKLY ROSE THE RANKS, BECAME A LICENSED ARCHITECT AND TAKEN ON LEADERSHIP ROLES.

IN 2017, SHE BECAME A MANAGER AND 51% OWNER OF GIRAFFE STUDIO, A COLLABORATIVE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND RESEARCH PRACTICE.

SHE'S ATTRACTED LARGER CLIENTS, ACHIEVED CERTIFICATION AS A WOMEN'S BUSINESS OWNED ENTERPRISE AND A AND A WOMEN'S BUSINESS I'M SORRY, A WOMEN'S BUSINESS ENTERPRISE AND A WOMEN'S OWNED SMALL BUSINESS AND REMAINS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN EVERY ASPECT OF DEVELOP A PROJECT DEVELOPMENT.

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HE HAS FIXED PROBABLY FOUR OF OUR KIDS CARS.

SO WE HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ALEX.

AND AND SO I JOINED THEM LAST NIGHT AT THEIR AT THEIR GRADUATION AND IT WAS VERY I POPPED IN, IT WAS VERY LOVELY TO SEE EACH OF YOU. AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF YOU.

SO TODAY, MR. MAYOR AND FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE CITY'S FIRST GRADUATES OF THE DAP PROGRAM.

AND I ASKED THEM, ALONG WITH THE COUNCIL, THE MEMBERS OF THE GREATER DALLAS HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, TO COME ON DOWN FOR A PHOTO WITH COUNCIL AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER KIM TOLBERT, WHO ENSIGNS WHO BEGAN THIS PROGRAM.

I CAN'T READ AS ONE OF OUR CITY'S CAPACITY BUILDING GOALS, SO I APPLAUD EACH OF YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND COME ON DOWN.

I'M SORRY. WHAT? RIGHT NOW WE'RE TAKING A PHOTO PICTURE.

OH, YEAH. GO AHEAD.

OH, SURE. GRACIE.

GO AHEAD. OH. THE CO-PRESENTER.

YES. AND AGAIN, TO JUST QUICKLY TO THE HISPANIC CHAMBER TO ALL OF THIS FIRST CLASS.

I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY SAY AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

ESPECIALLY YOU.

I'M SO SORRY. YOUR NAME SLIPS MY MIND, BUT YOUR CONTINUED DEDICATION TO ENSURING THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE LEARNING WHAT THEY NEED TO EXCEL.

SO AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND TO THE HISPANIC CHAMBER.

KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU.

YEAH. COME ON.

YOU. APPRECIATE YOU.

I JUST. SO GREAT. THANK YOU.

WHAT A GREAT GROUP.

YOU WANT HIM IN THE PICTURE? OKAY. GET IN.

WAIT ONE MORE.

ALL RIGHT AS WE MAKE OUR WAY BACK TO OUR SEATS.

MADAM SECRETARY, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN ALL OF OUR.

OH, I WAS TALKING THE OTHER.

SO EVERYONE'S MAKING THEIR WAY BACK TO THEIR SEATS.

MADAM SECRETARY, I THINK WE ARE DONE WITH OUR SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS FOR THIS MORNING SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS.

[Open Microphone Speakers]

THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

I'LL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES.

SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM.

FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN PERSON.

FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION.

INDIVIDUALS BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK FOR THOSE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

YOU'LL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.

PLEASE STOP FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

ALSO, SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR COMMENTS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME.

AND PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON.

ONLY YOUR FIRST SPEAKER.

DEMETRIUS GAINES.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

GO, MAVERICKS! I AM BORN AND RAISED HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

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STOKES ROAD LAKE HIGHLANDS.

THERE'S A CHURCH, IT'S CALLED GREATER CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH.

AND GROWING UP IN LAKE HIGHLANDS BACK IN THE 90S, THAT AREA WAS VERY, VERY NICE.

IT HAS SINCE BEGAN TO OVER THE LAST PROBABLY 10 TO 15 YEARS BEGAN TO GO DOWN.

AND SO WE GOT WIND GOT WORD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE POSSIBLY DEMOLISHING GREATER CORNERSTONE BAPTIST CHURCH.

I HAVE I'VE NEVER WAS A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH, BUT I HAVE ATTENDED IT.

AND WE GOT WIND THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF 30 AFFORDABLE HOMES BEING PUT ON THAT PROPERTY.

SO MY PETITION OR MY HEART FOR HAMILTON PARK, LAKE HIGHLANDS AND STOKES ROAD IS FOR THAT CHURCH TO BE TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE GOT TO PROBABLY GET A NEW CHURCH OR MINISTRY IN THERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO BE WORKING WITH SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION COALITIONS TO TRY TO KEEP THAT CHURCH THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO I JUST COME DOWN HERE THIS MORNING TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE THINK IN HAMILTON PARK, STOKES ROAD AND LAKE HIGHLANDS THAT IT WILL BE A GREAT THING FOR THAT CHURCH TO REMAIN IN THAT COMMUNITY AND JUST GET MINISTRY IN THAT AREA, BECAUSE RIGHT THERE ON FOREST LANE BEHIND, I THINK IT'S THE FOREST LANE STATION, THE TRAIN STATION, IT USED TO BE A 7-ELEVEN, BUT NOW IT'S JUST SITTING THERE.

IT'S ABANDONED. THEY CLOSED THE 7-ELEVEN AND BOARDED IT UP.

AND YOU JUST SEE HOMELESS PEOPLE JUST LAYING OUT IN THE STREET RIGHT THERE.

SO WE THINK THAT IF WE CAN GET SOME MINISTRY OUT THERE, SOME OUTREACH, FEEDING THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GET THAT CHURCH BACK UP AND RUNNING, AND WE CAN JUST SERVICE THAT AREA AND GET IT BACK UP AND RUNNING.

THOSE ARE MY WORDS. THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING.

THANK YOU.

TAMATHA CURIEL.

HI, MY NAME IS TIMOTHY CARROLL.

I'M FROM DISTRICT FIVE.

I AM A MOM OF AN ADULT WITH IDD AND I HEAR LOTS OF TALK ABOUT HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS.

AND I SHARED AN EMAIL WITH YOU TODAY, WHICH I'VE SHARED BEFORE WITH OTHER FACES THAT WERE HERE YEARS AGO, AND I CONTINUE TO SHARE PRETTY MUCH YEARLY ABOUT THE ISSUE WE HAVE AS PARENTS, BECAUSE OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM HAS ACTUALLY IMPROVED HEALTH CARE FOR FOLKS WITH IDD, AND THEY ARE LIVING LONGER AND WE'RE LIVING LONGER.

BUT I HAPPENED TO BE IN THAT SANDWICH GENERATION WHERE WE SEE OUR GRANDPARENTS MONEY DISAPPEARING TO THE MEMORY CARE FACILITY.

SO MY SON'S SPECIAL NEEDS TRUST IS LEFT AT ZERO UNTIL I DIE.

AND AND WHILE I DO HAVE SIBLINGS THAT I HOPE WILL LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE.

AND I'M HEARING AS I'M AGING, I'M HEARING THESE STORIES MORE AND MORE, NOT JUST FROM MY MOM COMMUNITY, BUT JUST FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAPPEN TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ME.

AND I SHARED WITH YOU ALL SOME STATISTICS AND RESEARCH AND STATISTICS ABOUT HOW MANY FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HOMELESS RIGHT NOW HAVE COGNITIVE DISABILITIES, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO PINPOINT IT, I KNOW.

SO THE RESEARCH IS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT IT'S AT LEAST 40%.

AND I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO PUT BAND-AIDS LIKE, WE NEED TO, LIKE, TRIAGE THE, THE HOMELESS SITUATION THAT WE, WE HAVE.

BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A WAY TO PREVENT FUTURE HOMELESSNESS WITH SOME OF THE INNOVATIVE IDEAS I SHARED WITH YOU IN THE EMAIL.

I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE THE EXACT IDEA FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT WITH A LOT OF VARIOUS FOLKS, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THIS OTHER SECTOR, WE WE DRIVE VERY FAR TO MANY OF OUR EXCEPT FOR EQUUS, WHICH MY SON CANNOT DO BECAUSE HE HAD A SEIZURE ON A HORSE. AND SO HE'S HE CAN'T DO THAT.

BUT EXCEPT FOR EQUUS, WE DRIVE TO MCKINNEY, WE DRIVE TO GARLAND, WE DRIVE TO SAXY FOR GOLF.

WE'RE DRIVING FAR AND NOT OUTSIDE OF DALLAS FOR MANY OF OUR PROGRAMS. BUT WE'RE ALSO THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE ARE FINDING THAT THERE ARE LIVING POSSIBILITIES, BUT THEY'RE USUALLY OUT OF OUR REACH FOR AFFORDABILITY.

AND EVEN IF WE HAVE THESE SUCCESSION PLANS, I'M SIGNING MY SPECIAL NEEDS TRUST PAPERS NEXT WEEK.

WE CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT HAPPENS TO US, TO OUR CHILDREN AFTER WE DIE.

AND WE, I THINK, ARE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY WHILE WE'RE HAVING THESE HARD CONVERSATIONS TO INNOVATE AND PREVENT FUTURE

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SO WHILE WE'RE TRIAGING, I WOULD ALSO HOPE WE WOULD LOOK AT PREVENTATIVE MEASURES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, NIKITA WILLIAMS. I'M BACK ONCE AGAIN.

I'M BACK ONCE AGAIN.

I WAS HERE IN MARCH ON THAT WEDNESDAY, AND I HAD JUST LOST MY BROTHER ON THAT SUNDAY.

LAST WEEK, Y'ALL OPENED THE FLOODGATES OVER THERE ON ETSY FOR HAGANS.

AND THIS WAS AFTER THE RAIN.

I NEED Y'ALL TO SEE MY VIDEO.

HOW Y'ALL FLOODED THE STREETS.

Y'ALL CAN DO MUCH MORE TO HELP, BECAUSE WHEN WE GET OUT, WHEN THIS WAS BAD WEATHER AND STUFF, ALL THAT STUFF COME THROUGH THE PHONE AND STUFF, RIGHT? SO WHY Y'ALL CAN'T DO THE PHONES TO WHERE TO SHOW WHERE IT'S FLOODING AND STUFF, RIGHT? Y'ALL GOT, YOU GOT YOU HAVE ALL THIS MONEY THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED.

CLEAN THE STORM GUTTERS AND STUFF.

I HAVE A VIDEO THAT Y'ALL NEED TO WATCH.

BECAUSE EVEN AFTER ALL THAT RAIN AND STUFF.

WELL, THOSE STORM GUTTERS, THE POWER WAS OUT.

SO IT'S NO WAY FOR THE PEOPLE TO COME DOWN FOR HAGAN'S.

THEY USED TO BE HATCHER STREET EAST DALLAS Y'ALL KNOW WHERE IT'S AT? BECAUSE Y'ALL Y'ALL PARK THOSE STATE FAIR TRAILERS OVER THERE THAT EAST DALLAS DON'T GET NO RECOGNITION FOR.

BECAUSE I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT THE LAST TIME.

WE NEED ON SFA.

HAGAN'S SOMETHING NEED TO BE DEAD.

I NEED EVERYONE TO LOOK AT THESE VIDEOS THAT I HAVE FROM THE DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME.

COUSINS NEED HELP OVER THERE.

Y'ALL COME TO THE OL DALLAS COME MOTORYACHTS.

SO WHEN WAS YOUNGER YOU MOTOR YACHTS? THAT MEAN CLEAN UP THE THE MULCH AND STUFF.

SO WHEN IT RAIN, IT WON'T CLOUD THE GUTTERS.

THEY COME IN MOTOR YACHTS AND THEY DON'T CLEAN UP THE MULCH AND STUFF, THE GRASS AND STUFF, AND IT'S CLOGGING UP THE DRAINS.

SO HOW DO ALL THOSE 18 WHEELERS THAT ON SFA HAGENS THAT COME DOWN THERE.

EVERYBODY BE FLYING.

12 WELL DALLAS POLICE ALL ON THEIR PHONE.

EVERYTHING I NEED, Y'ALL I REALLY NEED EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT THIS VIDEO.

I HAVE TWO VIDEOS IN THE DAYTIME AND AT NIGHT.

Y'ALL NEED TO DO BETTER BECAUSE I STAY ON THE FRONT STREET.

I STAY ON THE FRONT STREET EXIT FOR HAGANS 4845 SFA HALE AND IT BRUTAL STREET IS RIGHT THERE TOO.

I NEED Y'ALL TO WATCH MY VIDEO THAT I HAVE.

TODAY, NOT TOMORROW.

TODAY I NEED Y'ALL TO SEE MY VIDEO FROM THE DAYLIGHT AND NIGHT.

AND I'M NOT LEAVING UNTIL Y'ALL WATCH MY VIDEO.

OKAY? Y'ALL HAVE A BLESSED DAY ON PURPOSE.

THANK YOU.

NO, I DIDN'T SEND IT TO YOU, BUT I CAN.

I CAN SHOW YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. FOR WHAT PURPOSE? IF I COULD REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER SEND SOMEBODY FROM STORM WATER OR DALLAS WATER UTILITY TO COME SPEAK TO TO THE SPEAKER SO THAT THEY CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET THINGS GOING.

SO SHE'S NODDING. YES.

I THINK I SEE HIM WAVING TO MA'AM, THIS GENTLEMAN'S COMING OVER FROM THIS SIDE OVER HERE.

HE'S WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITY AND STORM, AND HE'S GOING TO BE THE ONE TO GET YOU STARTED AND GOING.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE WAITING FOR US ALL DAY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, MADAM SECRETARY, YOUR NEXT SPEAKER, JOEL ASHBROOK.

JOEL ASHBROOK.

IT'S NOT PRESENT.

DAVID DE LA FUENTE.

HI THERE. DAVID DE LA FUENTE, DISTRICT ONE.

DALLAS IS A CITY THAT LOVES TO BE THE BEST.

RECENTLY, WE HAVE BRAGGED ABOUT HOW WE ARE VIEWED AS ONE OF THE SAFEST CITIES IN AMERICA AND HOW OUR PARKS ARE NOW THE BEST OF ANY LARGE CITY IN TEXAS.

HOWEVER, THERE IS ONE THING WE ARE CONSTANTLY THE WORST AT MUNICIPAL VOTER TURNOUT.

YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THE STUDIES AND STORIES OF THE 30 LARGEST CITIES IN AMERICA.

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OUR VOTER TURNOUT AVERAGE SINCE 2013 IS JUST 9%.

9% IS AN EMBARRASSING NUMBER.

WHY IS VOTER TURNOUT SO LOW? IT IS SEVERAL FACTORS, BUT THE BIGGEST ONE THAT IS IN OUR CITY'S CONTROL IS OUR ELECTION DATE.

HOLDING OUR CITY COUNCIL ELECTIONS IN MAY INSTEAD OF NOVEMBER DRIVES TURNOUT DOWN ON BEHALF OF A WIDE AND LARGE COALITION.

I AM ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER CHARTER AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX TO MOVE OUR ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS.

KEEPING IT IN ODD NUMBERED YEARS WILL PREVENT OUR COUNCIL ELECTIONS FROM BECOMING PARTIZAN, AS PARTIZAN ELECTIONS ONLY OCCUR IN NOVEMBER OF EVEN NUMBERED YEARS, BUT IT WOULD STILL INCREASE TURNOUT.

OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST, MESQUITE, MADE THE SWITCH IN 2019.

SINCE THEY MADE THE SWITCH, VOTER TURNOUT IN MESQUITE HAS NEARLY DOUBLED DOWN I-45.

HOUSTON HAS BEEN HOLDING MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS FOR DECADES.

LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, DALLAS VOTER TURNOUT FROM 2013 TO 2023 HAS AVERAGED JUST 9% IN HOUSTON.

DURING THAT EXACT SAME TIME PERIOD, VOTER TURNOUT HAS AVERAGED 22%, NEARLY TWO AND A HALF TIMES GREATER THAN DALLAS'S.

YOU MAY BE ASKING, CAN WE DO THIS? AND THE ANSWER IS YES.

OF THE TEN LARGEST CITIES IN TEXAS, FIVE ALREADY CONDUCT THEIR ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER.

THE STATE GOVERNMENT REQUIRES THAT CITIES OBTAIN A CHANGE IN STATE LAW BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION, BUT IT IS VIRTUALLY ALWAYS GRANTED, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL INSTANCES OF CITIES CHANGING THEIR CHARTER AND THEN GETTING STATE PERMISSION.

EL PASO DID THIS IN THE 2013 CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION, FOLLOWED BY A STATE LAW CHANGE IN THE 2015 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

TWO YEARS LATER, THE CITY OF MISSION DOWN IN THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY JUST PASSED THIS EXACT CHARTER AMENDMENT LAST MONTH IN MAY 2024, WITH PLANS TO ASK THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR PERMISSION TO IMPLEMENT DURING THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

THIS IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

I URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE SUPPORTERS OF THIS AMENDMENT.

YOU RECEIVED A LETTER FROM 16 CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS AND 75 RESIDENTS, INCLUDING LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS, THE NAACP, LULAC'S AMERICAN JEWISH COMMITTEE, BARBARA JORDAN LEADERSHIP INSTITUTE, AND SEVERAL CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE.

EVERY CORNER OF THE CITY IS REPRESENTED.

THIS ISN'T A CITY THAT LIKES TO SETTLE FOR LAST PLACE.

YOU HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ERICA MAZZEO.

GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ERICA MAZZEO.

I'M A DISTRICT 12 RESIDENT AND THE DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL JUSTICE AT TEMPLE EMANUEL.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF CHARTER AMENDMENT SIX.

AS YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN, THE NORTH DALLAS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE SENT A LETTER WITH VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS SUPPORT TO MOVE THE MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS FOR MAY OF ODD NUMBER OF YEARS TO NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS.

IT WOULD SAVE THE CITY MONEY AND ENSURE THAT MORE OF OUR CITY VOTES IN ELECTIONS THAT AFFECT OUR LIVES.

IN 2022, 44% OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS VOTED IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, WITH ONLY 6.6% VOTING IN THE MAY ELECTIONS.

WITH SO MANY ELECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, MOST PEOPLE WERE TAUGHT TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER ELECTIONS AND ARE NOT AWARE OF OTHER TIMES DURING THE YEAR TO VOTE.

ACCORDING TO THE 2022 COST OF VOTING INDEX, TEXAS RANKS 46TH IN THE COUNTRY FOR VOTING ACCESS.

CHANGING THE DATE OF THE ELECTION WILL ALSO INCLUDE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF VOTING LOCATIONS AND EARLY VOTING DAYS DUE TO STATE REQUIREMENTS.

THE MORE BARRIERS WE REMOVE TO ALLOW EVERYONE'S VOICE TO BE HEARD, THE MORE PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE TRUST IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

AS WE ALL LEARN IN SCHOOL, LOCAL GOVERNMENT AFFECTS US THE MOST.

A WISE JEWISH TEACHER FROM HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO NAMED RABBI YITZHAK, TAUGHT THAT A RULER IS NOT TO BE APPOINTED UNLESS THE COMMUNITY IS FIRST CONSULTED.

THIS TEACHING REFERENCES AN EXAMPLE IN THE HEBREW BIBLE EXPLAINING THAT BEZALEL, THE ARCHITECT OF THE TABERNACLE, THE DWELLING PLACE FOR GOD, COULD ONLY BE CHOSEN WITH THE COMMUNITY'S APPROVAL.

WE ARE SO FAR FROM THIS ORIGINAL VISION AND MANDATE, WHEN ONLY 6.6% OF THE POPULATION IS VOTING, THE COMMUNITY HAS NOT BEEN FULLY CONSULTED.

WE BELIEVE CHANGING THE ELECTION TO NOVEMBER WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE PEOPLE TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THIS CONCLUDES THE FIRST FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

THE REMAINING SPEAKERS WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION. OKAY.

YEAH. I MOVE TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

SO MOVED. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OBJECTION? HEARING? NONE SO ORDERED.

WE'LL HEAR THEM ALL. THANK YOU.

YOUR NEXT SPEAKER, MICHAEL SNEED.

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KEENA TURNER.

HELLO, EVERYONE.

GOOD. YEAH.

GOOD MORNING.

MAYOR JOHNSON AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS KENNY TURNER, AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE BARBARA JORDAN LEADERSHIP INSTITUTE, WHERE WE PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO COMMUNITY BASED LEADERSHIP AND ACTION THROUGH VOTER EDUCATION, ADVOCACY, LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT FOR BLACK COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE DFW, EAST TEXAS, AND HOUSTON AREAS.

TODAY, I SPEAK BEFORE YOU TO STRONGLY SUPPORT CHARTER AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX, WHICH PROPOSES A MOVING MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS FROM MAY OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS TO NOVEMBER OF ODD NUMBERED YEARS, DESPITE NARROWLY FAILING AT THE CITY CHARTER COMMISSION. THIS PROPOSAL HAS OVERWHELMING PUBLIC SUPPORT, AND WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT VOTERS WILL APPROVE THIS IF GIVEN A CHANCE. A STRONG DEMOCRACY THRIVES ON THE PARTICIPATION FROM AS MANY ELIGIBLE VOTERS AS POSSIBLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY OF THE CURRENT MODEL OF HOLDING ELECTIONS IN BOTH MAY AND NOVEMBER LEADS TO VOTER FATIGUE.

HISTORICAL DATA SHOWS THAT DALLAS RESIDENTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO PARTICIPATE IN NOVEMBER ELECTION THAN MAY.

WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE NUMBERS OF 44.47% PROVIDED IN NOVEMBER, VERSUS THE 6.6% IN MAY.

THIS TREND IS CONSTANTLY GROWING.

THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, VOTER FATIGUE IS A REAL ISSUE THAT RESIDENTS ARE DEALING WITH.

WITH MULTIPLE ELECTIONS A YEAR.

WE HAVE EVEN SEEN THAT THIS YEAR, FROM THE PRIMARIES TO THE COUNTY AND SCHOOL BOARD ELECTIONS, THEN BACK TO BACK RUNOFFS ALL LAST THE THREE MONTH SPAN.

PEOPLE ARE TIRED, SO THE FATIGUE REDUCES PARTICIPATION AND UNDERMINES THE INCLUSIVENESS OF ELECTORAL PROCESS. SO BY CONSOLIDATING THE ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER, WE BELIEVE WE CAN ALLEVIATE FATIGUE AND ENCOURAGE MORE ROBUST VOTER ENGAGEMENT.

IN ADDITION TO INCREASING THE VOTER TURNOUT, MOVING MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER WILL SAVE THE TAXPAYER A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. CURRENTLY, ADMINISTRATING THE MAY ELECTION COST THE CITY OF DALLAS NEARLY $1 MILLION, WHILE A NOVEMBER ELECTION COST A LITTLE ABOVE HALF A MILLION.

BY MAKING THESE CHANGES, WE COULD SAVE OVER 43 $431,000 EACH ELECTION CYCLE.

THOSE SAVINGS CAN BE REDIRECTED TO OTHER ESSENTIAL CITY SERVICES SUCH AS THE PARKS, THE LIBRARY, PUBLIC SAFETY OR OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE MUST RECOGNIZE AND SUPPORT THE ECONOMIC TIME.

OKAY. AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

DEXTER JEROME WILLIAMS. DEXTER. JEROME WILLIAMS, NOT PRESENT.

MIKE SIMS. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MIKE SIMS, I AM HERE, I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 11, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AS WELL AS THE AMERICAN JEWISH COMMITTEE.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW, THE AJC IS A GLOBAL ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION THAT SEEKS TO UPHOLD THE DEMOCRATIC VALUES THAT UNITE US ALL.

I'M RISING TODAY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF COUNCIL MEMBER WEST'S AMENDMENTS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN, WHICH TODAY WOULD WOULD MOVE THE CITY'S GENERAL ELECTION DATE FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER, AS YOU HAVE HEARD, AND ALSO CREATE AMENDMENT SEVEN, WOULD CREATE FOUR YEAR NON STAGGERED TERMS FOR EACH MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.

NOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, OFTENTIMES IN LIFE MORE IS BETTER.

BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ELECTIONS, AS YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, I'VE GOT THREE WORDS FOR YOU.

LESS IS MORE.

FEWER ELECTIONS, AS WE HAVE HEARD TODAY, WILL RESULT IN GREATER TURNOUT.

IT IS NOT SURPRISING WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PRIMARIES STACKED ON TOP OF MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS, STACKED ON TOP OF RUNOFFS, THAT ALMOST 90% OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS IN DALLAS DON'T VOTE.

AND AS YOU HEARD BEFORE, LESS ELECTIONS MEANS MORE MONEY.

AND IN A CITY BUDGET THAT, AS YOU ALL KNOW VERY WELL, IS TIGHTER AND GETTING TIGHTER, THAT HAVING AN EXTRA $400,000 IS NOT A

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AND FINALLY, THERE IS, IN MY VIEW, ONE OTHER SCARCE RESOURCE, AND THAT IS YOUR TIME.

AMENDMENT SEVEN PROVIDES THAT YOU WOULD RUN EVERY FOUR YEARS INSTEAD OF EVERY TWO YEARS, WHICH GIVES ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF OUR IMPORTANT DALLAS CITY COUNCIL MORE TIME TO FOCUS ON OUR OFFICIAL DUTIES, ON YOUR OFFICIAL DUTIES, RATHER, WHICH BENEFITS US ALL.

IN CONCLUSION, FOR FAR TOO MANY YEARS, FAR TOO MANY RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY WERE DENIED THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

IN THE 1950S AND 60S, MANY MEMBERS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITIES WORKED HAND IN GLOVE WITH COMMUNITIES OF COLOR TO ENSURE THAT ALL DALLAS CITIZENS HAD THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

BUT TODAY, WHILE ALL CITIZENS OF CITIZENS OF DALLAS CAN VOTE, FAR TOO MANY DON'T VOTE.

SO I LEAVE YOU THIS. AS THOMAS JEFFERSON WROTE, WE DO NOT HAVE A GOVERNMENT BY THE MAJORITY.

WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT BY THE MAJORITY WHO PARTICIPATE.

I URGE YOU TO ACT FOR GREATER VOTER PARTICIPATION IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I URGE YOU TO ADOPT AMENDMENTS SIX AND SEVEN.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THIS CONCLUDES YOUR REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS AGENDA, MR. MAYOR. WONDERFUL.

LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR VOTING AGENDA.

THEN YOUR FIRST ITEM IS APPROVED IS AGENDA ITEM ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE MAY 15TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

[1. 24-1023 Approval of Minutes of the May 15, 2024 City Council Meeting]

I HEARD A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM TWO IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

[2. Consideration of appointments to boards and commissions and the evaluation and duties of board and commission members (List of nominees is available in the City Secretary's Office)]

YOUR NOMINEES, THE ITEM WILL BE I'M SORRY.

THE ITEM WILL BE SEPARATED TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON THE CHAIR.

APPOINTMENTS YOUR NOMINEES FOR FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 14 BOARD SKILLMAN CORRIDOR ALLEN STREET IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 17 BOARD.

TODD TODD IK IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 13 BOARD.

GRANT PARK SOUTH MICHAEL HUBBARD IS BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR JOHNSON TO THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.

EDDIE ABEYTA AND VINCENT PARKER ARE BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR JOHNSON.

THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MR. MAYOR. LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

SO MOVED. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE EYES HAVE IT.

YOUR CHAIR APPOINTMENTS.

CHRISTIAN. I'M SORRY.

GREER. CHRISTIAN IS BEING NOMINATED TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 18 BOARD.

MAPLE MOCKINGBIRD.

ALL BY MAYOR JOHNSON.

MELANIE RUBIN IS BEING NOMINATED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, AND ANGELA DOWNS IS BEING NOMINATED TO REINVESTMENT ZONE SIX BOARD.

FARMERS MARKET. AGAIN, IT'S ALL THE NOMINEES ARE BY MAYOR JOHNSON LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

AND A SECOND IT'S MOVED.

AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

NOTE MY ABSTENTION, PLEASE.

NOTED. MR. MAYOR, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM THREE.

[3. 24-1637 Casting of lots to identify the recommended vendor resulting from tie bids between Marco Holdings I, LLC dba Bumper to Bumper and Southwest International Truck, Inc. on lines 9-1, 9-2, and 15-1 in response to bid BG24-00023860 for a three-year master agreement for the purchase of aftermarket automotive parts for the use of the City’s fleet]

CASTING OF LOTS TO IDENTIFY THE RECOMMENDED VENDOR RESULTING FROM TIED BIDS BETWEEN MARCO HOLDINGS ONE, LLC, DBA BUMPER TO BUMPER AND SOUTHWEST INTERNATIONAL TRUCK INC ON LINES NINE, DASH ONE, 9-2 AND 15 DASH ONE IN RESPONSE TO BID BG (240) 002-3860 FOR A THREE YEAR MASTER AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF AFTERMARKET AUTOMOTIVE PARTS FOR THE USE OF THE CITY'S FLEET.

MR. MAYOR, THERE IS NO REQUIRED ACTION FOR THIS ITEM BESIDES PER REQUIREMENT YOU SELECTING FROM AN ENVELOPE, SEALED ENVELOPES, AND IDENTIFYING THE WINNER OF THOSE THREE LINES.

YOUR FIRST LINE YOU'LL BE SELECTING IS LINE 9-1.

I'M.

ALL RIGHT. IT'S MARCO HOLDINGS ONE LLC, DBA BUMPER TO BUMPER.

THANK YOU. YOUR NEXT LINE, 9-2.

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WHAT? WHAT? IT'S WRITTEN IN PEN.

IT'S CROSSED THROUGH. NO. MARCO HOLDINGS ONE LLC, DBA BUMPER TO BUMPER.

OKAY. AND YOUR FINAL LINE 15 DASH ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

SOUTHWEST INTERNATIONAL TRUCK INCORPORATED.

THANK YOU. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THERE'S NO FURTHER ACTION.

THE ACTUAL VENDORS WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU ON A ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, YOUR BRIEFINGS CONTINUE.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE.

WE'VE CAST LOTS.

NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO OUR BRIEFING AGENDA.

MISS CITY MANAGER, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY BEFORE I INTRODUCE THE.

I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM THE MEMBERS TO GO INTO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

GO AHEAD. I THINK YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS.

ANYTHING? NOTHING.

GREAT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GO INTO A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

[A. 24-1642 Discussion of Recommended Amendments to the 2024 Charter Review Commission’s Final Report and Submitted Councilmember-Proposed Charter Amendments]

SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. WE ARE IN A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

NOW, BEFORE WE COMMENCE, I NEED TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS FOR THE RECORD.

WE'RE ACTING NOW AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE VOTES ON AMENDMENTS TO THE 2024 CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION'S FINAL REPORT.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED ARE NOT FINAL ACTIONS, BUT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL BE FINALLY VOTED ON AT THE JUNE 26TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

MOTIONS ALLOWED IN A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ARE THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS, INCLUDING REMOVING OR STRIKING SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, POINT OF ORDER, APPEALS AND INQUIRIES. ROLL CALL VOTES AND BALLOT VOTES ARE NOT ALLOWED.

WE WILL USE GREEN CARDS TO SIGNAL SUPPORT OF AN AMENDMENT.

ALTHOUGH A FORMAL VOTE WILL NOT BE TAKEN.

THE CITY SECRETARY WILL RECORD THE NAMES OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOWING THEIR GREEN CARDS IN FAVOR OF A MOTION, THOSE NOT SHOWING CARDS, AND THOSE ABSENT WHEN THE VOTE WAS TAKEN.

WE WILL FOLLOW OUR USUAL 531 FORMAT FOR THE DEBATE.

WE'LL START WITH THE POLICY AMENDMENTS IN THE COMMISSION'S REPORT, AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS.

IF WE DO NOT FINISH TODAY, WE WILL CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN AT THE JUNE 18TH BRIEFING AGENDA MEETING.

THOSE ARE ALL MY REQUIRED REMARKS.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. FOR WHAT PURPOSE? YES. MAYOR, IF I JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION, PLEASE.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN CONSIDER INFORMALLY A JUST A DIRECTIVE THAT WE MIGHT CHANGE THE COLOR OF THESE CARDS BEFORE OUR NEXT ENGAGEMENT SO THAT WE'RE NOT REFERENCING THE GREEN CARD.

IT KIND OF HAS A CONNOTATION THAT WE WANT TO, A STIGMA THAT WE WANT TO REMOVE.

SO CAN WE. WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WOULD THAT BE? I THINK THAT'S A PURELY ADMINISTRATIVE THING.

THE CITY SECRETARY CAN WORK WITH YOU ON AND OKAY.

AND WE CAN GET SOMETHING WORKED OUT THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, I GUESS.

THANK YOU. YEAH, WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS. OF COURSE. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ FOR WHAT PURPOSE? I'M. I'M POINT OF INFORMATION.

I, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU. IS YOU MENTIONED TO HEAR THESE ON THE 18TH OF JUNE.

I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE REMAIN LEAVING THAT A NON MEETING DAY BECAUSE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THIS BODY WILL BE IN AT THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE DURING THAT WEEK. AND SO IT WOULD INTERRUPT THE LEARNING THAT WE'LL BE DOING AT THE CONFERENCE, I THINK IT'S 4 OR 5 OF US THAT DAY, IN ORDER TO HAVE TO GET BACK ON TO DO THE MEETING THE 25TH, I THINK IS AN OPEN DATE THAT WOULD ALSO WORK OUT WITH ENOUGH TIME, I BELIEVE.

IF THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY THINK THAT'S ALL RIGHT AS WELL.

THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT.

FOR SURE. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A POINT OF INQUIRY OR INFORMATION BEFORE WE START ENTERTAINING MOTIONS? THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET TO IT.

EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST.

CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION.

I SAW YOU THERE FOR A SECOND.

OKAY, THERE YOU ARE.

ALL RIGHT. I MOVE TO AMEND CHAPTER THREE.

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I'M SORRY. HOLD ON. ONE. I HATE TO INTERRUPT YOU.

I'M BEING TOLD BY THE PARLIAMENTARIAN THAT THAT THE PROCEDURE WE AGREED UPON WAS GO THROUGH THE POLICY ONCE FIRST, THEN FROM THERE, FROM THE REPORT, BEFORE WE GO TO MEMBER ONE.

SO WE NEED SOMEONE TO DISPENSE WITH THE, THE ONES THAT CAME FROM THE COMMISSION.

FIRST. MAYOR, POINT OF INFORMATION.

YES. SO WHEN WE DO END UP GOING THROUGH THE MEMBERS SUBMITTED ITEMS, ARE WE NOT ARE WE GOING TO GO IN ORDER THAT THEY'RE LISTED ON THIS LARGE SHEET, OR IS IT GOING TO BE JUST KIND OF FIRST COME WHOEVER THAT WAS? ACTUALLY, MY INTENTION WAS TO JUST TO GO THROUGH THE NUMERICAL ORDER OF THOSE.

BUT YES, THAT WAS MY INTENTION.

BUT IF WE HAVE AN OBJECTION TO IT, WE CAN DO IT DIFFERENTLY.

BUT I'M BEING TOLD THAT WE NEED TO DISPENSE WITH THE THE CHARTER COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDED ONES POLICY FIRST BEFORE WE GO TO THE MEMBER ONES.

AND THAT IS WHAT I READ.

AND, MR. MAYOR JAKE ANDERSON, OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I PASSED OUT A LIST OF THOSE EIGHT POLICY AMENDMENTS SO THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE THOSE IN FRONT OF YOU. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FINAL REPORT, IT'S ANYTHING IN BOLD.

I DO NOT HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON I MEAN, A MOTION ON THE FIRST LISTED AMENDMENT, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

SO, DOES ANYONE WANT.

WE NEED A MOTION.

SORRY. WE NEED A MOTION, I SUPPOSE, TO DO SOMETHING WITH THESE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE ON THIS.

THIS LOVELY TWO PAGE HANDOUT.

ANYBODY WANT. OKAY. I SEE SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE.

IS ANYBODY IN THE QUEUE WHO ACTUALLY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? KATHY STEWART, CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION? THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE CHAPTER THREE, SECTION FOUR, RIGHT ON THE WE'RE STARTING WITH COMPENSATION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

SO I DO HAVE A MOTION.

I MOVE TO STRIKE THE SALARY OF 125,000 AND INSERT 80,000 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STRIKE THE SALARY OF 145,000 AND INSERT 105,000 FOR THE MAYOR.

MEMBERS. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION, CHAIRWOMAN STEWART? YES. THANK YOU. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPENSATION NUMBERS, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR CONTEXT TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO THEM.

WHERE WHERE ARE THEY? DID WE JUST SORT OF PLUCK THEM OUT OF THE BLUE, OR DO THEY HAVE SOME SOME MEANING AND SOME CONTEXT? THE 60,000 WAS DECIDED TEN YEARS AGO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IN 2014.

SO IF YOU TAKE THAT NUMBER AND YOU LOOK AT THE PRESENT VALUE, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE TODAY TO BE COMPARABLE TO THE 60 AND 2014.

IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC NUMBER.

IT'S $78,973.78, WHICH IS MORE EASILY ROUNDED UP TO 80,000.

SO THAT'S MY RATIONALE IS TO TRY TO TIE THIS INCREASE TO SOMETHING THAT IS JUST HAS SOME LOGIC AND SOME RATIONALE AND IS NOT JUST A, A NUMBER THAT'S FEELS GOOD OR SOUNDS GOOD.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO STRIKE.

THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PAY AS PRESENTED AND INSERT 95,000 AND STRIKE THE MAYOR'S AS PRESENTED AND INSERT 115,000. IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN SECONDED.

NOW WE ARE ON MR. BAZALDUA AMENDMENT TO THE STUARTS AMENDMENT.

AND YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES IF YOU'D LIKE.

CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

I WATCHED A REALLY ROBUST PROCESS AT THE CHARTER COMMISSION, AND THERE WERE LOTS OF DATA POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT IN THAT TO CONSIDER.

INCLUDING COMPARABLE CITIES AND WHAT THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS WERE BEING PAID.

I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT OUR CURRENT SALARY, WE ACTUALLY SUBSIDIZE HOUSING FOR THOSE WHO MAKE OUR CURRENT SALARY.

AND I THINK THAT THAT IS BUILT IN ENOUGH RIGHT THERE TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS BY DESIGN.

AND WE'VE STARTED TO SEE AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT THE FACES OF REPRESENTATION CHANGING.

AND THAT IS FROM SOCIO ECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS, FROM RACIAL BACKGROUNDS, FROM LIFE EXPERIENCES THAT HAVE ADDED TO THE DIVERSITY OF REPRESENTATION.

BY DESIGN, THESE ROLES HAVE HAD VERY LOW SALARIES WITH THE INTENT OF INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY PEOPLE.

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FORMER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

AND SO I BELIEVE THAT FROM THE FEEDBACK I'VE HEARD IN WHAT WAS PROPOSED AT 125, THAT 125 WAS JUST A LITTLE TOO HIGH WHEN IT CAME TO THE VOTERS.

OPINIONS. AND WHAT I HEARD FROM MY RESIDENTS AND FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD THROUGH THE PROCESS WAS THAT THERE WAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DESERVED MORE PAY.

I AM NOT AFRAID TO SAY WE DESERVE MORE PAY.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS NOT ONLY PUTS US DOWN TO 95 FROM WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, IT ALLOWS FOR US TO STILL BE UNDER A SIX FIGURE SALARY. BUT IT ALSO IS COMPARABLE TO THOSE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE SALARIES OF THE EXECUTIVE TEAM IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AVERAGE OF THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR MAKING UPWARDS OF 150 TO $155,000.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIRECTOR LEVELS BEING AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT $190,000, CLOSE TO CLOSE TO 200.

AND THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS AND THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS ARE 250 AND UP.

MAJORITY WERE AVERAGE AT IN THE 270 RANGE.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHO IT IS THAT WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH, WHO IT IS THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLABORATING WITH TO EXECUTE THE ROLES THAT OUR CITY GOVERNMENT PLAYS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE CONTEXT IN THAT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE MAKING HALF OF WHAT IT IS, OF WHO IT IS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH HAND IN HAND TO GET THESE POLICIES PASSED.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT AT CITIES LIKE FORT WORTH THAT ARE MUCH SMALLER OR EVEN AUSTIN THAT ARE MUCH SMALLER IN THE SAME FORMS OF GOVERNMENT, AND SEEING WHAT THEIR VOTERS HAVE APPROVED OR WHAT THEIR BODIES HAVE PASSED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THERE'S BEEN CLEAR EVIDENCE.

THAT THIS ROLE DESERVES TO HAVE MORE OF A SALARY SO THAT THIS IS CONSIDERED TO BE A FULL TIME JOB.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A FULL TIME JOB.

THIS IS A FULL TIME JOB.

AND IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE PUT INTO THIS WORK IS SECOND TO NONE.

I MEAN, I WAS AN EDUCATOR, AND I KNOW THAT A TEACHER PUTS IN MUCH MORE THAN BELL TO BELL.

BUT I'VE NEVER HAD TO WORK AROUND THE CLOCK AND AROUND THE CALENDAR IN THE WAY THAT WE DO HERE IN TO SERVE OUR RESIDENTS ADEQUATELY.

SO I BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE IN SEEING THAT WE HAVE INCREASED WITH THE VERY OBVIOUS INCREASE OF COST OF LIVING.

THIS IS AN EQUAL INCREASE FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR.

IT LEAVES US WHERE WE WHERE WE WOULD BE THAT IT IT INCREASES I MEAN, IT LOWERS IT DOWN FROM WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED, THE EXACT AMOUNT, WHICH IS $30,000.

IT WAS FROM 125 DOWN TO 95 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FROM 145 DOWN TO 115 FOR THE MAYOR.

AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M PROPOSING THIS AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON THE BAZALDUA AMENDMENT.

OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO STAFF? IF WE LOOK AT THE CPI AND AND GOING BACK, WHERE WAS AT 36,000 A YEAR, WE WENT TO 60,000 A YEAR.

AND HOW DO WE COMPARE THAT TO CPI FROM 30,000 TO 60, 36,000 TO $60,000? THAT IS NOT A NUMBER I HAVE AT THE MOMENT, BUT I CAN GET THAT TO YOU IN JUST A FEW.

POINT. I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER AT THE MOMENT, BUT I CAN GET THAT TO YOU IN JUST A FEW SECONDS IF YOU GIVE ME A SECOND.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO THEREFORE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 60 AND WE LOOK AT THE CPI INCREASE.

WHAT IS THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE.

SO BASED ON THE $60,000 A YEAR IN 2014, THAT'S ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT, AS MISS STEWART SAID, TO $80,000 A YEAR IN 2024.

I BELIEVE THE EXACT NUMBER IS ABOUT 78,000 AND CHANGE.

OKAY, SO SO THEREFORE, WE GATHER IF I SPLIT THE BABY BETWEEN 80 AND 90.

RIGHT. BETWEEN MISS STEWARD AND CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, I'M GOING TO PUT AN AMENDMENT TO BE AT 90.

YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW.

IT'S IT'S ONE TO MANY, ONE TWO MINUTES.

THAT'S CORRECT. AMENDMENT TWO. MA'AM, WE'D HAVE TO DISPOSE OF THIS ONE FIRST BEFORE WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE ON THE FLOOR ON WHICH WE CAN DISPOSE THIS ONE AND COME BACK.

THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM.

CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE BAZALDUA AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANTED TO KNOW IF WHEN THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THIS, DID THEY USE ANY.

DID THEY DO ANY COMPARISON? I KNOW THAT I WASN'T ON THE COUNCIL WHEN IT WENT FROM.

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BUT IT WAS STAFF THAT DID ALL THIS WORK, AND THEY DID A LOT OF STUDIES.

AND I KNOW THAT IT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION BECAUSE I WAS GETTING READY TO COME INTO THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT.

SO OF COURSE I WAS PAYING ATTENTION BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU ALL HAD THE SAME KIND OF INFORMATION TO THEM, OR DID THEY JUST PICK A RANDOM NUMBER, OR HOW DID WE GET HOW DID THE COMMISSION COME UP WITH 125 SURE.

SO THE COMMISSION ACTUALLY RECEIVED FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO SALARY.

TWO OF THOSE SET IT AT AT WHAT WAS IT INITIALLY ADOPTED OR EVENTUALLY ADOPTED? OKAY. I'M GONNA PAUSE YOU. YOU SAID THEY WERE GIVEN FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

WHO GAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? A COMMISSIONER STUART CAMPBELL DISTRICT SEVEN GAVE ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

DO WE KNOW WHERE SHE GOT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM? THAT WAS THAT WAS JUST HIS RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK WHAT I WANT TO GO.

AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE GOING, JAKE.

BUT WHAT I MEANT WAS, DID DID YOU ALL DO ANYTHING IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM ANY KIND OF DATA ABOUT THESE POSITIONS? I MEAN, THESE YES, SIR.

SO, FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, ANOTHER COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER YOUNG ACTUALLY GAVE A PRESENTATION WHERE HE WALKED THROUGH SPECIFICALLY, HE WAS LOOKING AT THE CPI AND THE INDEXING PART OF THE THE CONVERSATION.

BUT HE WAS ALSO DISCUSSING HIS OWN, HIS OWN RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS JUST TO TIE TO, TO CPI AS TIED TO THE 60,000 OR THE $60,000 NUMBER THAT CAME UP IN 2014.

SO SIMILAR TO WHAT? RIGHT. I GUESS MAYBE MAYBE Y'ALL AREN'T UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M ASKING ABOUT THE NUMBER THAT IS BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, THE 125.

AND I WANT TO KNOW JUST ABOUT THAT.

I THE REST THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR ABOUT THE INDEXING.

I I'M ALL FOR THAT.

BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THAT 125 THAT ENDED UP GETTING THERE.

SURE. ONE 2125 WAS NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BASED ON ANY SPECIFIC TIE.

BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE GAVE THEM THE INFORMATION FROM OTHER PEER CITIES, BOTH IN TEXAS AND ACROSS THE NATION.

WHAT CITIES WERE THOSE? IN TEXAS, IT WAS HOUSTON, AUSTIN SAN ANTONIO, EL PASO, AND SOME OF THE SMALLER CITIES IN THE DFW REGION AS WELL.

AND THEN ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I BELIEVE IT WAS JACKSONVILLE INDIANAPOLIS, SAN DIEGO CHICAGO AND PHILADELPHIA, I BELIEVE IS WHAT WE CHOSE BASED BASED ON POPULATION.

OKAY. SOME OF THOSE CITIES AREN'T CLOSE TO US IN POPULATION, BUT OKAY, I'M NOT GOING TO QUESTION THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF DATA THEY WERE GIVEN. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU.

I MEAN, YOU GIVEN THE ANSWER. SO THANK YOU.

I MEAN, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF AN AMENDMENT GOING DOWN, MR. MAYOR. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT 125 IS JUST ENTIRELY TOO HIGH.

I DON'T THINK THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO SAY, YEAH, GIVE YOU KNOW, WE WE GET TO VOTE ON THIS TO SAY, HEY, VOTERS VOTE AND DO WE DESERVE MORE MONEY OR NOT? I ALSO DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I JUST DON'T SEE THE VOTERS SAYING, YOU'RE GOING TO GET DOUBLE THE MONEY.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS COUNCIL MEMBERS GO, DOUBLE WHAT? A LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT YOU CURRENTLY MAKE.

ESPECIALLY IN, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOME FOLKS STILL FEEL LIKE THEY'RE IN CHALLENGING TIMES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IT'S LIKE BUT I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, YES, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DESERVES MORE.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GETTING THESE NUMBERS FROM, BECAUSE NOW I HAVE COLLEAGUES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GIVING DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE GIVEN US ANY DATA.

I MISS CITY MANAGER.

DO YOU MIND GOING INTO THAT FOR ME, PLEASE? THANK. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

I THINK WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT RIGHT AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GRAB IT.

WE'RE OFTEN ASKED TO LOOK AT COMPARISONS OF OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE STATE.

AND WE ALSO PROVIDED WE HAVE A LIST OF PEER CITIES, AND IT'S ALL BASED ON SIZE OF POPULATION.

SO WE CAN DEFINITELY SHARE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE FOR THE FULL CITY COUNCIL TO SEE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE CURRENTLY.

AND THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE MORE REASONABLE.

SO MAYBE WE COULD GRAB THAT DATA THAT WE DID PROVIDE TO THE COMMISSION AND THEN SHARE THAT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND WE COULD PASS THAT OUT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.

MR. MAYOR, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.

MISS, MADAM CITY MANAGER, AND THANK YOU FOR RECOMMENDING THAT.

I THINK THAT'LL REALLY HELP A LOT OF US.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALWAYS HARD BECAUSE OUR POSITION IS ELECTED.

IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERED A CAREER, BUT IT KIND OF IS.

NOW IT'S IT'S IT'S EVOLVED A LOT IN THE, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE GOT ON THE COUNCIL SEVEN YEARS AGO.

AND WE SHOULD BE PAID ACCORDINGLY.

I AGREE WITH THAT PART.

IT'S JUST WHERE DO YOU LAND? AND THEN WITH THE INDEXING HOW DOES THE INDEXING WORK WITH THIS? SO I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY BIG JUMP FAST.

AND THEN LET'S SAY THE INDEX JUMPS FAST IN THE NEXT BUDGET.

THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, AS EACH BUDGET GOES THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG NUMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATICALLY HAS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE CHARTER SAYS IT.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I GUESS I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS ONE AT 95 RIGHT NOW, AND NOT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A BAD NUMBER, BUT JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT THE

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AND SO IT COULD EASILY PUT COUNCIL WELL OVER $100,000.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT I JUST DON'T THINK THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO LIKE THAT.

I PREFER THE FIRST MOTION THAT WAS MADE, THE AMENDMENT.

JUST BECAUSE THE INDEXING, I THINK IT'S GOING TO GO UP PRETTY QUICKLY WITH THE INDEXING.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY NO TO THIS ONE.

AND THEN BUT NOT SAYING I CAN'T GET THERE, JUST SAYING NO TO THIS THIS AMENDMENT AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE TOO BIG.

AND I DO APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES FOR, LIKE, KIND OF SPLITTING THOSE NUMBERS AND EXPLAINING HOW THEY CAME THROUGH, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S YOU HAD EXCELLENT RATIONALE.

AND I LIKE I SAID, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE MORE.

I WELL, I WON'T THIS WON'T AFFECT ME ANYWAY.

BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BODY DESERVE MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW, TO DO THEIR JOBS AND DO THEM WELL.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BIG OF A JUMP THAT FAST IS WHAT THE VOTERS WILL ALSO SAY THEY THEY AGREE WITH.

PLUS THERE'S BENEFITS THAT WE DON'T GET THAT THAT OUR PEERS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR COLLEAGUES THAT OUR STAFF RECEIVE, THAT WE DON'T RECEIVE. SO IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS AS WELL.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE THAT WOULD BE TAKING UP FOR THE BENEFITS WE DON'T RECEIVE LIKE PENSION AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEN MAYBE THAT COULD HELP ME GET THERE.

BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BIG NUMBER OF A JUMP, BUT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THERE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. BEFORE I GO TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ, I SEE YOU ONLINE.

I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND EARLIER.

DID YOU WANT TO GET IN ON THIS BAZALDUA AMENDMENT, OR WERE YOU TRYING TO GET IN ON THE ORIGINAL CHAIRWOMAN STEWART AMENDMENT OR.

NEITHER ARE YOU? I'M FINE FOR NOW.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE OKAY? YOU SAID YES, SIR.

I'LL. I'LL JUST BE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT.

YES. OKAY. YOU'RE FINE.

OKAY, COOL. THEN DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN JUST A LITTLE ON THIS.

I NOTICED IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT NUMBER ONE, SUPPORTING AN ITEM THAT CAME FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, WHICH I THANK THEM FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION.

I KNOW THAT WAS IT LAST YEAR? AND, MAYOR, IF I COULD DIRECT THE QUESTION TO MY COLLEAGUE BAZALDUA, DID WE NOT? IS THAT OKAY, MAYOR? IT'S UP TO HIM. YEAH, IT'S FINE TO ASK HIM.

YOU REMEMBER, THAT WAS LAST YEAR WE VOTED ON WHAT IS SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE TO HELP US IN TERMS OF.

CAR. CAR REIMBURSEMENT.

WHAT DO WE VOTE ON? YOU REMEMBER TWO YEARS AGO WE EXPLORED A POTENTIAL, BUT IT NEVER, NEVER WENT INTO.

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HERE CAN ATTEST, BUT I NEVER RECEIVED ANY OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK AT THE TIME.

HOW MUCH WAS IT WAS WERE WE TRYING TO IT WAS ELIGIBILITY TO TO SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT UP TO $1,000 A MONTH FOR CAR TRAVEL.

AND AT THAT TIME, I THINK, I BELIEVE IT WAS ONLY 1 OR 2 OBJECTIONS MAYBE, I THINK WHEN WE DID THE POLL.

BUT THE POINT WAS, I THINK WITH THAT, WITH THE WITH THE SUPPORT THAT WAS GIVEN, THE RATIONALE AT THAT TIME HAD TO DO WITH JUST THE COST THAT YOU JUST SHARED. AND I THINK SOME OF WHAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW.

AND NUMBER ONE, I'M I'M DEFINITELY ON THE RECORD AS A FULL TIME SERVICE PROVIDER.

AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER JOB.

I'M HERE PROBABLY SEVEN.

YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE JOB.

MOST OF US ARE PRETTY MUCH SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

BUT I THINK FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE IT'S MORE THAN BEING AROUND THE HORSESHOE.

AND SO THE REIMBURSEMENTS I THINK THAT WERE EXPLORED THERE WERE SOME WHO SAID, LOOK, YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE WITHOUT GOING TO THE VOTERS.

AND SO I'M ONE OF THOSE WHO I USE MY OWN VEHICLE FOR THE MOST PART FOR TRAVEL AROUND THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW I SIGNED UP FOR IN TERMS OF BEING A SERVANT.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC THAT THERE IS WEAR AND TEAR ON YOUR OWN VEHICLE.

IF YOU ARE TRAVELING YOUR DISTRICT AND YOU'RE GOING TO DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND PUTTING GAS IN YOUR CAR, IF YOU'RE CHARGING IT UP WITH YOUR ELECTRICAL CHARGERS.

BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST DON'T GET TO.

WE DON'T HAVE CARS THAT'S PROVIDED TO US BY THE CITY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO WE ARE ENGAGED.

WE'RE USING OUR MONEY FOR THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO PUSH BACK ON MAYBE AN ADJUSTMENT, BUT I DO WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT IT IT DOES COST TO SERVE, AND I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

BUT I KNOW THAT FOLKS WILL LOOK AT AND SAY, OH, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET A RAISE FOR THEMSELVES, AS YOU SAID.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY PROBABLY PAYING, PAVING THE WAY FOR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND IT'S GOOD FOR SOME OF YOU TO ALSO LOOK AT WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER SALARIES IN OTHER CITIES ARE GIVING.

BUT WE WANT TO BE FAIR, WE WANT TO BE EQUITABLE AND WE WANT TO JUSTIFY IT AND SO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY IT.

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SO IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY ATTITUDE FOR SERVICE, BUT I DID WANT TO GO BACK ON THE RECORD TO REMIND THOSE THAT WE WE HAD EXPLORED THAT.

BUT ALL OF THAT, WE STARTED EXPLORING ABOUT PUTTING TRACKERS ON YOUR CARS AND ALL OF THAT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'M ONE OF THOSE.

IF I'M ON MY WAY TO WORK, I'M GOING TO STOP.

IF I SEE SOMETHING, I MAY STOP AND GET OUT OF MY CAR RIGHT THEN.

AND I'M I'M PRETTY MUCH ON THE PROWL THROUGH THE DISTRICT, SO I'M PRETTY MUCH ON WORK.

I'M AT WORK.

SO I DID WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO MORE IN OUR DISTRICT AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE MORE DO MORE IN FOR WHETHER WE GET THIS SUPPORT OR NOT.

IF I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO COME BACK.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE AT YOUR DOOR IN DISTRICT FOUR KNOCKING AND WORKING.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE GET A RAISE OR NOT, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO PAY TO REPLACE YOUR TIRES AS THEY GET THE NAILS IN IT.

WHEN YOU GO INTO NEW CONSTRUCTION SITES, WHEN YOU'VE ADVOCATED FOR A NEW MULTIFAMILY FACILITY, AND YOU DRIVE UP AND THEN YOU REALIZE, OH MY GOD, I HAVE A NAIL IN MY TIRE.

SO I DID WANT TO PUT THAT ON RECORD, BUT I AM A FULL TIME SERVICE PROVIDER.

AND WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, I'M PROUD TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS DALLAS CITY COUNCIL SERVING THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU. CHAIR.

WHO DO WE HAVE? OKAY, MISS BLACKMON, ACTUALLY, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN.

OKAY, MISS BLACKMON, YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SO YOU HAVE IT BEFORE US.

THERE'S 125 A YEAR AND 140 A YEAR.

AND HAVE YOU GOTTEN THE INFORMATION THAT KIND OF HOW THEY.

BECAUSE THERE'S. I'M SEEING THREE OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT THAT FAILED.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS WHY DID THIS ONE PASS AND THESE FAIL.

AND DO YOU HAVE YOU HAD TIME TO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES BECAUSE PHOENIX AND SAN JOSE IN MY RECOLLECTION, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OUR COMPARABLE CITIES GIVEN GIVEN THEIR CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND THEIR POPULATION.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PHOENIX AREA IS ABOUT TO GO TO A CHARTER TO INCREASE THEIR SIGNIFICANTLY.

I CAN'T FIND SAN JOSE AS QUICK AS I WANT TO DO SO.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE DATA TO SHOW US HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT AND WHAT OTHER REALLY COMPARABLE CITIES TO CITY OF DALLAS ARE DOING, SUCH AS SAN JOSE AND PHOENIX? SURE, YES. AND I DO APOLOGIZE.

I, I PROVIDED SOME NATIONAL EXAMPLES AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THOSE WERE.

WE DO HAVE THE TEXAS CITIES, WHICH WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU.

BUT SAN ANTONIO BASICALLY IS THE COMPARABLE ONE.

YES. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID FOR THE COMMISSION AND IT WAS BY, BY REQUEST, WAS TO TAKE A SAMPLING OF A LOT OF CITIES BECAUSE IT VARIES SO WIDELY ACROSS THE NATION.

THERE ARE LARGE CITIES THAT OFFER SMALL STIPENDS OF JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH, WHEREAS THERE ARE OTHER LARGE CITIES THAT OFFER, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AND SO I KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T USE ALL OF THE SAME COMPS THAT WE NORMALLY USE BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THAT DATA POINT AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ASKING ABOUT THAT. NOW TO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO 125,000, THAT CONVERSATION HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MEETINGS.

THE COMMISSIONERS HAD SOME PRESENTATIONS I PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY 20TH WHERE I ACTUALLY SHARED SOME OF THOSE COMPS.

AND SO I'M ATTEMPTING TO PULL UP THAT THAT PRESENTATION AND BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU ALL.

BUT THE COMMISSION ULTIMATELY LANDED ON THIS NUMBER BECAUSE THEY WERE FOCUSED ON WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR A PERSON TO BE IN OFFICE? THAT IS A WORKING MOM.

WHAT IS WHAT IS A WORKING MOM NEED? OR SOMEBODY WHO IS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS TO WORK, NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT AND PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY.

BUT THERE WAS ALSO A CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT MEANS THAT THIS IS A FULL TIME JOB.

YOU'RE YOU'RE ALMOST EXPECTED TO TO MAKE THIS YOUR FULL TIME JOB.

AND SO $125,000, WHILE I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EVER TIED TO ANYTHING INITIALLY.

THE COMMISSION DEFINITELY FELT LIKE THAT NUMBER WAS AN AMOUNT THAT ANYBODY COULD MAKE TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES IN DALLAS.

WHILE THE PUBLIC CAN REASONABLY EXPECT THAT THEIR ELECTED OFFICIAL IS PERFORMING THEIR DUTIES 100% OF THEIR TIME AND DEVOTING THEIR TIME TO BEING A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY.

AND SO WHAT I KNOW THAT THE ONE ON 326, SECTION THREE, THAT THAT AMENDED IT, IT WAS THE 100% OF MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN THE DFW AREA.

DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER? LET ME PULL THAT UP. I BELIEVE THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME

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AND THEN I GOT THE LIST.

AND THESE ARE TEXAS.

CAN WE GET AGAIN? PHOENIX AND SAN JOSE IS, FROM MY RECOLLECTION, ALWAYS BEEN OUR PEER CITIES THAT IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WE LOOK AT.

IS THAT EASY FOR YOU TO GET I THINK MY WE DID WE FOUND A WE FOUND AN ARTICLE AND IT'S BASICALLY, I THINK 61 AT IN PHOENIX WITH 88 FOR MAYOR.

AND I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO EVEN INCREASE THAT A LITTLE BIT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A CONFIRMED STORY OR IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

WELL, THIS ISN'T OKAY.

YES THAT'S CORRECT.

WITH PHOENIX, THEY ARE. THEY'RE GOING TO TO THE VOTERS TO, TO RAISE.

AND IT WAS SIX IT'S 77 FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND 104 FOR MAYOR.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A KIND OF A WEIRD RATIO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S TOTALLY EQUIVALENT BECAUSE IT'S WHAT, 30, 30,000 IS THE DIFFERENCE.

BUT AT THE BEGINNING IT WAS ONLY 20.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY BUT SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A 90 TO BRING IT DOWN TO 95.

WAS THAT WITH THESE VOTES EVEN CLOSE WITH THE ONES THAT FAILED IN A.

LET ME NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE.

I KNOW THAT THERE ACTUALLY WAS A MOTION.

I BELIEVE 125,000 WAS THE FIRST.

THE FIRST MOTION MADE AND IT PASSED 12 TO 1.

SO THEY DID NOT END UP TAKING UP ANY OF THE OTHERS BECAUSE THEY PASSED, OKAY.

THIS 12 TO 1. SO WHEN THIS ONE PASSED, THEN THEY JUST TABLED ALL THE OTHER ONES BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NEED.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT.

I THINK IT COMES AT A BAD TIME.

WE HAVE HEARD AT OUR RECENT BUDGET BRIEFING THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS ASKING EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT TO CUT THEIR BUDGETS BY 6% ACROSS THE BOARD. WE HAVE A SERIOUS DEFICIT IN BOTH OUR EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT FUND AND IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RETIREMENT FUND, WHICH IS FUNDED ONLY AT THE 39% LEVEL OF OUR OBLIGATIONS.

I THINK IT STRIKES A BAD NOTE TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING FEATHERING OUR OWN NESTS BY AN INCREASE OF ALMOST 60% IN OUR PAY, AND I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT THAT.

CHAIRMAN MORENO YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M ATTENDING TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.

I DO TREAT THIS AS A FULL TIME JOB, AND I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES AND FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL DO THE SAME.

JAKE, YOU MADE A REFERENCE TO THIS BEING 100% FULL TIME JOB.

JAKE CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THAT MEANS, AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS THERE.

HOW DO WE CAPTURE HOW MUCH TIME A COUNCIL MEMBER IS SPENDING IN THE OFFICE, IN COMMUNITY EVENTS? HOW WOULD WE TRACK THAT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN 100%? YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED.

I THINK THAT I'LL DEFER TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THANK THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER MORENO, FOR THE QUESTION.

I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF SHOULD ACTUALLY BE DOING.

I THINK EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, AS I'VE SIT AND I'VE LISTENED EVERYONE HAS THEIR INDIVIDUAL SCHEDULES AS IT RELATES TO WHAT YOU DO WITHIN YOUR DISTRICTS, I THINK THAT YOU BETTER YOU'RE BETTER EQUIPPED TO BE ABLE TO SAY HOW MUCH TIME YOU'RE SPENDING ON CITY BUSINESS VERSUS HAVING STAFF AND ACTUALLY GAUGE THAT OR MONITOR THAT. AND SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO REFRAME FROM STAFF BEING A PART OF THAT AND MAKING THAT BE MORE ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, RESPECTFULLY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

FOR FOR ME, IT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE TOOK PAY CUTS TO BE ABLE TO COME AND SERVE OUR CITY.

AND WE DID THAT WITH THE KNOWING WHAT THE SALARY WAS.

AND SO, AS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SPOKE EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THIS JOB REGARDLESS OF THE AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD OR THE VOTERS SUPPORT IT OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S A CALLING.

BUT I DO WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, TO BE ABLE TO RAISE THEIR FAMILIES AND TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. AND TYPICALLY WE, WE SEE OLDER COUNCIL MEMBERS IN CITY GOVERNMENT WHO

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BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THIS IS EQUITABLE AND THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BE PART OF CITY GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS A TECHNICAL QUESTION.

WHEN WOULD THESE NUMBERS TAKE INTO EFFECT IF THERE WAS AN INCREASE THAT WAS SUPPORTED BOTH BY COUNCIL AND BY THE VOTERS UPON INAUGURATION OF THE NEXT COUNCIL IN 2025? SO, NO.

SO THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THE CURRENT TERM LIMITS WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY SITTING.

THAT IS CORRECT.

CAN. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

LISTEN. HAVING BEEN THE NEWLY, AGAIN, JUST NEWLY ELECTED, NEWLY JOINING THIS AND IN THE PROCESS OF TRANSITIONING AND ADJUSTING OUR LIFESTYLE, BECAUSE THIS IS A FULL TIME POSITION FOR ME, BECAUSE IT WAS, IN MY OPINION, IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THIS JOB EFFECTIVELY AND TRY TO MANAGE HAVING A FULL TIME JOB.

AND I WORKED IN MINISTRY.

SO IF THAT GIVES YOU ANY INDICATION OF YOU THINK YOU HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY AND YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IF YOU INTEND TO SERVE WELL.

SO I'M LEANING TOWARDS AND I'LL SAY THIS PUBLICLY, I AM LEANING TOWARDS THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT UNDERSTAND THE TEMPERATURE AND THE CLIMATE OF HOW THAT MAY COME OFF AND LOOK.

AND TO MR. RIDLEY'S POINT YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS IS A VERY TRYING BUDGET SEASON THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO WALK INTO.

BUT I DO WANT TO JUST SAY THAT FROM A PENSION PERSPECTIVE, THE PENSION WAS FIXED.

THIS IS A COLA. AND THIS IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THIS IS A COLA DISCUSSION FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL.

SO I REALLY JUST TRYING TO LINE THIS UP TO SAY WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ASKING FOR SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET SEASON, BUT WE ALSO DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A JOB IN ORDER TO DO IT EFFECTIVELY, WHICH I THINK WE ARE ALL COMMITTED TO DOING.

IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT WE NOT STRESSING AT HOME OVER CERTAIN THINGS AS WE ADJUST.

AGAIN, THIS IS A TRANSITION THAT MY FAMILY AND I ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

SO I AM SAYING THAT I AM FOR THAT.

AND AGAIN, I'LL SAY IT, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING IS MY PREFERENCE, BUT I CAN BE AMENABLE TO, TO BASIRE'S SUPPORTING BASIRE'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAYOR.

WE DON'T CALL HIM BASS AT THE HORSESHOE.

OKAY? I'M JUST KIDDING.

I'M JUST KIDDING. SORRY. NOPE.

CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ, THANK YOU FOR I APPRECIATE YOU FIVE.

CHAIRMAN SCHULTZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I THINK THE QUESTION IS IN LOOKING AT THE AT OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITY, DO WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE BUT CANNOT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT? THEY DON'T COME FROM MONEY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE LUCRATIVE CAREERS.

THOSE THINGS.

IT SHOULD NOT BE A FINANCIAL ONLY FOR THE FINANCIALLY PRIVILEGED TO SERVE.

AND SO IF WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE OUR CITY TRULY EQUITABLE, THEN WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STEP UP FOR OURSELVES AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE TO BE ABLE TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION HERE WITH THIS NUMBER.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT INDEXED OR WHATEVER, I, I, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ON THAT.

BUT I DO THINK THAT, FRANKLY, EVEN THE COMMISSION SAID, YOU KNOW, AT $125,000, ANYONE CAN AFFORD TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE.

AT 95, I DEFINITELY DO NOT THINK IT'S TRUE AT 80, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT A FAMILY AND THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY OF THEIR OWN.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN THIS.

SO THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THIS MATTER.

MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU ASK FOR THREE MINUTES.

I GUESS. I'M SORRY.

HOLD ON. BEFORE WE GO THERE MR. RESENDEZ, FIVE MINUTES FOR MR. RESENDEZ. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I JUST CLICKED AT THE LAST MINUTE.

JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT AS WELL FOR FOR THIS AMENDMENT.

AND I THINK SIMILARLY TO COUNCILMAN GRACEY.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS JOB AND, AND THE VALUE OF OUR TIME, YOU KNOW, AS AN ATTORNEY, YOU LOOK AT IT AS, YOU KNOW, BILLABLE HOURS, RIGHT? AND IF WE WERE BILLING HOURS THIS JOB WOULD BE WORTH A LOT MORE THAN 125, YOU KNOW, AND FOR ME AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST, SOMETIMES I FEEL BAD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE AN OUTSIDE SOURCE OF INCOME AND HAVE TO SERVE IN THIS ROLE.

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IT IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE.

AND, AND I ALSO THINK ABOUT MY TIME SERVING ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WE DON'T GET PAID. YOU DON'T GET PAID ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.

I THINK THEY SHOULD GET PAID.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT YOU DO VOLUNTARILY? IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME FROM FROM YOUR FAMILY.

IT'S A JOB THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF SACRIFICE.

YOU DEAL WITH A LOT OF INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL POLITICS AND TOXICITY.

IT IMPACTS YOUR PHYSICAL HEALTH, YOUR MENTAL HEALTH, YOU KNOW? AND SO, ABSOLUTELY, 60,000 IS TOO LOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE OPTICS OF IT AND WHAT WHAT IS TRULY REALISTIC.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, OF, OF THIS AMENDMENT AT THIS TIME.

WE'LL SEE WHAT WHAT HAPPENS. BUT I JUST WANT TO THROW IN MY $0.02.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

BROUGHTON TO THREE MINUTE ROUNDS.

IF UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO JUMP IN NOW WHO HASN'T SPOKEN AT ALL, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN ALREADY.

ONCE MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES, SOMEONE GAVE ME AN AARP CARD ON THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT BUT I JUST GOT A NOTE.

THE THE POINT IS, I'M JUST GOING TO BE SURE WITH YOU.

WE STARTED WITH $50 A MEETING, AND WE STARTED 36, AND WE WENT TO 60.

AND NOW TO DOUBLE THAT, I THINK IS INSANE.

I THINK RIGHT NOW LOOK AROUND OUR EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW.

THEY MIGHT NOT GET A RAISE THIS YEAR.

AND LOOK AT OUR UNIFORMS. YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT A BUDGET A SHORT BUDGET.

I DO WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

YOU PROBABLY KNOW I CALLED PEOPLE AT 5:00, 7:00 IN THE MORNING FOR A 4:00 IN THE MORNING.

BUT THE POINT IS, WELL, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN, 11, 12.

BUT THE POINT IS TO BE SERIOUS.

WE ARE IN A TIGHT BUDGET, $38 MILLION SHORTFALL.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A UNIFORMED OFFICER.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEES WHO MIGHT NOT GET A RAISE THIS YEAR.

AND WE INTENDED OUR BUDGET.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GOT TO MANAGE YOUR MONEY.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU LUCKILY THAT YOU GOT TWO SPOUSES WORKING, YOU CAN GET THE JOB.

BUT WE ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS AND PUBLIC SERVANTS, AND YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT, BECAUSE YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DO IT.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, YOU SHOULD NOT BE AROUND THE HORSESHOE BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC.

SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.

IT'S ABOUT SERVING THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SERVE THE CITY FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, AND THAT'S WHAT I CAME HERE TO SERVE THE CITY.

AND THAT'S WHY MY DUTY TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENT GET WHAT THEY NEED.

BUT RIGHT NOW, TO DOUBLE THE SALARY IS AN INSULT.

BUT ALSO, I CAN LOOK AT THE EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW AND BE SURE COME THE 3:00 MEETING TOMORROW.

WE TALK ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES AND THE UNIFORM AND WHAT THEY MIGHT GET AND WHAT THEY MIGHT NOT GET DUE TO THIS BUDGET.

SO PLEASE DON'T SEND A BAD MESSAGE TO THE RESIDENT OUT THERE TO SAY, HEY, WE ARE FIGHTING OURSELVES BECAUSE WE WANT MORE MONEY, BECAUSE WE CHOOSE TO BE THIS JOB.

YOU CHOOSE. Y'ALL CHOSE TO FOR THE JOB.

IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF THE SALARY, BECAUSE OF YOUR CARE ABOUT THE CITY AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TO BE IN A PUBLIC SERVICE LIKE A PASTOR.

HE NOT HE DO NOT PREACH FOR THE MONEY.

HE PREACHED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.

AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SERVING THE PUBLIC.

AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, YOU SHOULD NOT BE RUNNING THIS HORSESHOE.

IT'S IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY FOR YOU RESIGN.

BUT THE POINT IS JUST DO A JOB.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU READY TO ASK FOR THREE MINUTES? THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE JUST MADE AND SAY THAT I'M CONFIDENT, REGARDLESS OF IDEOLOGY OR REGARDLESS OF SITTING, YOU KNOW, ON THE SAME SIDE OF ISSUES THAT EVERY SINGLE COLLEAGUE THAT I WORK WITH IS HERE BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THEY LOVE THE DISTRICT THAT THEY SERVE, AND THEY ARE UNIQUE TO THE CONSTITUENCY THAT THEY SERVE, AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB DOING IT IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MONEY IS A MOTIVATOR.

I GENUINELY LOVE MY JOB, BUT I ALSO LOVE BEING ABLE TO PAY MY BILLS.

I ALSO LOVE BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE A QUALITY OF LIFE FOR MY DAUGHTER.

I ALSO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT FOR A SUCCESSION OPPORTUNITY IN MY DISTRICT, WHENEVER I'M OUT OF OFFICE, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN REPRESENTATION THAT UNDERSTANDS THE WORKING CLASS.

AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN AGE DISPARITY AROUND THIS HORSESHOE.

IF THIS IS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT AS AN ACTUAL JOB, WHERE I CAN STILL RAISE A YOUNG FAMILY, AND IT'S NOT ISOLATED TO JUST THOSE WHO HAVE COME TO A PLACE OF RETIREMENT OR THAT DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO RAISE OR THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT SOME YOUNGER PROSPECTIVE

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JUST AS MISS SCHULTZ MENTIONED, THIS IS ABOUT SHORING UP THE INEQUITIES OF WHAT THIS JOB HAS THE ABILITY TO DO.

SO IN NO WAY, JUST AS MR. MORENO SAID, IS THIS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO SERVE? I THINK WE'VE ALREADY MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE WILL SERVE.

MY SALARY DIDN'T IMPACT THE FACT THAT I WAS ANSWERING CALLS AROUND THE CLOCK AFTER THIS PAST STORM.

I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUES SALARIES DIDN'T PREVENT THEM FROM BEING OUT WALKING THE STREETS AND SEEING WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR THEIR DISTRICTS JUST THIS PAST WEEK.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AND DISCUSS THIS WITH A GENUINE APPROACH AND KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING THIS ABOUT THE MONEY, BUT THIS IS ALSO MAKING SURE WHENEVER I HAVE TALKED TO, TO, TO RESIDENTS.

YES. DOUBLING THE SALARY.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'VE ALL AGREED THAT WE CAN GO A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED.

BUT WHENEVER I HAVE RESIDENTS THAT FIND OUT THAT WE MAKE $60,000 A YEAR POINT BLANK AND THERE IS NO OTHER BENEFITS, THEY'RE ALL SHOCKED.

AND THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND YOU SEE THAT THIS JOB IS MEANT TO BE A FULL TIME POSITION, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT AS A PUBLIC SERVANT, YES.

THIS IS A CALLING. YES.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT.

BUT IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILIES, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE THE RIGHT SERVICE AND TAKE CARE OF OUR DISTRICT AND WHO WE WERE ELECTED TO REPRESENT.

SO THIS JUST NEEDS TO BE A LOGICAL CONVERSATION BASED ON THE COST OF LIVING AND WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY, AND WHAT THIS IS PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR.

AND I WOULD PREFER FOR US TO NOT PERPETUATE THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE IN DISTRICT SEVEN SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE TO BE INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY TO REPRESENT A WORKING CLASS DISTRICT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN GRACEY RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

AND AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

BUT I, TOO, WANT TO SHARE THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE SALARY.

I TRULY BELIEVE THAT, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO MINISTRY PEOPLE ARE CALLED TO THIS.

THIS IS A DECISION.

THIS IS A BIG CHOICE THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CONVERSATION WITH YOUR WIFE AND YOUR SPOUSES, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO ADJUST YOUR LIFE SIGNIFICANTLY. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND SAY THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE SALARY.

IT'S ALSO BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT A PRACTICAL DISCUSSION, THE SAME DISCUSSION THAT I ALLUDED TO EARLIER WHEN WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT COLA, COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS FOR OUR OUR OFFICERS, WHICH WE SHOULD VERY MUCH BE WORKING TO TRY TO DO.

THIS IS THE SAME CONVERSATION.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GET THAT SEPARATE BETWEEN WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY GOING INTO THIS BUDGET CRISIS.

THE BUDGET CRISIS IS A RESULT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO BRING THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR OFFICERS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ON THE RECORD.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE SERVING.

I WILL SERVE AS LONG AS I AM HERE AND AS LONG AS THE VOTERS HAVE ME.

THAT IS MY COMMITMENT. THAT IS MY PURPOSE FOR BEING HERE.

PUBLIC SERVICE IS MY CALLING.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SERVE AND BE HEALTHY FINANCIALLY, MENTALLY, SPIRITUALLY, PHYSICALLY, ALL OF THESE THINGS. SO AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO JUST GO ON THE RECORD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ASK FOR SOMETHING IN THE MIDST OF AND BEING INSENSITIVE TO THE BUDGET CRISIS OR NOT BUDGET CRISIS.

SORRY THE BUDGET CYCLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO.

PARDON ME. PARDON ME. GETTING THE BUDGET CYCLE THAT WE'RE.

GOING INTO. I DO WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS WE'RE NOT BEING INSENSITIVE TO THAT.

THIS IS IN ADDITION TO REQUESTS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT, MAYOR.

APPRECIATE THAT HIT TO OUR, YOU KNOW, BOND RATING YOU JUST GAVE US WITH THAT BUDGET CRISIS LANGUAGE.

NO I'M JUST KIDDING. WE'RE FINE.

CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK. AND I THINK WE'RE BACK TO ONE MINUTE.

YES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AND I THIS IS A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION BECAUSE EACH OF US HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY WHERE WE'RE SET.

YOU KNOW, ALL OF US ARE INDIVIDUAL.

IT'S NO SECRET. I DON'T KEEP IT A SECRET.

I'M A SINGLE PERSON, AND THIS IS A FULL TIME JOB FOR ME.

THIS IS MY SALARY.

THAT'S IT. AND YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE SAID THIS IS A CALLING FOR ME.

THIS IS. I THROW EVERYTHING I'VE GOT INTO THIS, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE REST OF US DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE.

BUT WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, RIGHT? SOME FOLKS ARE IN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE SOME OF THE CONVERSATION THAT'S GONE ON SO FAR, MR. MAYOR. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS ARE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE IN THEIR LIFE.

THEY'VE LIVED MANY MORE YEARS AND THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS.

AND, YOU KNOW, YAY FOR THEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE DAY I'LL GET THERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'LL GET, YOU KNOW, BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO GET OLDER AND OLDER AND OLDER.

AND I WANT TO GET THERE. AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AT A MUCH YOUNGER AGE THAN I DID WHEN I STARTED, AND I'M GREAT FOR THEM AS WELL.

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BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT IT TO GET INTO PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL ISSUES BECAUSE THIS ISN'T PERSONAL IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

IT'S ABOUT WHAT IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO SO THAT AS WE DO GET SOME FORM OF A FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW SALARY FROM THE CITY, THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, AS MISS SCHULTZ SAID, IS A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUITABLE SO THAT OTHER FOLKS CAN DO IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW I WASN'T SINGLE WHEN I STARTED THIS JOB, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'VE TOLD PEOPLE BEFORE I GO, I LOST, YOU KNOW, TWO THIRDS OF MY INCOME IF YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, HOUSEHOLD INCOME AT THAT POINT.

AND IT WAS A HIT AND IT WAS HARD.

BUT I MADE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.

I DID WHAT I NEEDED TO DO, AND THAT'S LIFE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

AND IT'S LIKE, BUT I DIDN'T STOP SERVING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY CALLING.

JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS HERE.

AND THIS THIS IS FOR ME, THE GREATEST JOB I'VE EVER HAD.

AND I THINK FOR YOU GUYS, IT'S.

I'M SURE IT IS AS WELL. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE FOR ME, THE GIFT IS WHEN WE HELP THAT SENIOR CITIZEN, YOU KNOW, GET HER TOILET FIXED OR HER BATHROOM REMODELED OR YOU KNOW, YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS WHAT THEY NEED SO THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, DON'T, AREN'T PUT IN DANGER OR YOU GO TO THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT'S HOME AND YOU GET TO SEE THAT CHILD WHO BENEFITED FROM SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO AND PUT INTO PLACE.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST PAYMENT.

AND THOSE ARE THE VITAMINS THAT I TAKE EVERY DAY.

AND IT'S LIKE, MAKE ME GO WANT TO DO MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

BECAUSE IT'S I'M IN MY LAST YEAR, MR. MAYOR, AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S ABOUT TO START.

I MEAN, I'M LIKE ONE YEAR IN LIKE TWO WEEKS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE.

AND PEOPLE Y'ALL THOUGHT I WAS RUNNING.

NOW Y'ALL DON'T KNOW HOW FAST I'M GOING TO BE RUNNING THESE NEXT 12 MONTHS BECAUSE I'VE GOT TO I'VE GOT TO FINISH EVERYTHING I POSSIBLY CAN AND GET MY DISTRICT AND OUR CITY SET FOR WHOEVER TAKES OVER HERE IN SIX NEXT.

AND THEN ALSO BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL HAVE AS MUCH SUCCESS.

SO WHEN I'M UP THERE SCREAMING AND YELLING AT Y'ALL YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO LET'S GET THIS DONE.

I THINK WE CAN MAYBE I HOPE WE CAN PAUSE THIS AND ROLL IT BACK AND THEN AND MAYBE COME BACK TO IT A LITTLE BIT LATER.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS BLACKMON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL THIS DISCUSSION AND USING DATA AND ANECDOTES TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THIS.

BUT I THINK WHAT I'M SEEING OR HEARING IS WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE AS A BODY ARE ACTUALLY EVALUATING OURSELVES.

AND DO ARE WE THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AS A BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE NINTH LARGEST CITY? I MEAN, WE ARE AN ENTERPRISE.

IT IS AN INDUSTRY.

THE QUESTION IS, IS DOES $60,000 EQUATE TO THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING? AND I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EACH OF YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

AM I DOING 60,000? AM I DOING 115? AM I DOING 80? THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION.

I, I TREAT THIS AS A FULL TIME JOB.

I THINK YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY TREATS IT AS A FULL TIME JOB.

THEY UNDERSTAND.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL TOOK A PAY CUT TO COME HERE.

WE REALLY DID. AND I'M GLAD THAT WE WENT FROM $50 TO 60,000.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE ARE THE NINTH LARGEST CITY.

WE ARE THE THIRD LARGEST CITY IN TEXAS.

WE ARE THE LARGEST CITY IN THIS REGION.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT A BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF TI OF SOUTHWEST AIRLINES, HOW MUCH DO THEY MAKE? AND WE ARE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

THAT'S PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

WE ACT AS A BOARD OF.

DIRECTORS. AND SO THE QUESTION IS THIS IS AN EVALUATION OF OURSELVES ABOUT DO WE DESERVE A PAY INCREASE.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEFEND IT TO THE VOTERS.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

AND IF YOU DON'T, THEN THAT'S OKAY TOO.

IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT, I LIKE THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED AND, AND AND THE PRICE OR THE COST OF, OF A SALARY, THEN THAT'S FINE.

BUT I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP HAVING THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOME INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING OUT.

SO BUT I DO APPRECIATE WHAT HAS BEEN SAID AROUND THIS HORSESHOE.

AND I WILL SAY EACH OF MY COLLEAGUES DOES TREAT THIS AS A 24 OVER SEVEN JOB.

AND I DO SAY EACH OF YOU DO DESERVE A RAISE.

I WOULD GIVE YOU ONE AS A VOTER, AS A COLLEAGUE, AS A A A IF I WAS YOUR BOSS.

BECAUSE I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT Y'ALL DO WORK YOUR TAILS OFF.

SO THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION HERE TODAY AND SOME GOOD FEEDBACK TO WORK OFF OF.

I'D LIKE THE CITY MANAGER TO KNOW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

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AND WITH THAT BEING THE SPIRIT, I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

CAN I ASK THAT YOU WORK WITH MYSELF AND IF IF IF CHAIR STEWART IS AMENABLE THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO COMPARE SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, SOME METRICS AND WHAT WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HEARD HERE TODAY, INCREASING OUR BASE SALARY, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT MAYBE THE CAR WEAR AND TEAR THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND SOME POTENTIAL STIPEND OPPORTUNITY, AND SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS WE CAN BRING BACK TO THIS BODY.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

COUNCILMEMBER BAZALDUA, YES, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL BE AN EFFECTIVE EXERCISE FOR US, AND WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH BOTH YOU AND COUNCILWOMAN STEWART TO DEVELOP SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT MORE HOLISTICALLY.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO THE FULL BODY WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO WE DEFINITELY CAN DO THAT AND BE PREPARED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION FOR THIS ITEM ON JUNE THE 18TH, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

SO THAT'S THE CASE.

ALABASTER DO DID WITHDRAW HIS MOTION.

SO, CHAIRMAN STEWART YOU CAN WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION ALSO.

PARDON? SORRY, I WAS GOING TO ASK.

I ASSUME I NEED TO WITHDRAW MINE.

THAT'S CORRECT. YES. SO WE'RE GOING TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION.

COME BACK. THANK YOU.

AND THEN I'D MAKE A MOTION FOR US TO BRING THIS BACK.

WHEN WE DISCUSS THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS NEXT.

DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? WE DON'T NEED A MOTION FOR THAT.

I DON'T THINK SO. RIGHT.

I THOUGHT THE MAYOR SAID THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR US TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, STRIKE OR RECOMMEND NOT TO GO THROUGH. IT'S JUST AMENDMENTS OR ADOPTIONS.

SO, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO DO IS GET YOU THE INFORMATION AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU ON THE 18TH, AND THEN YOU CAN CONSIDER THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AGAIN.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

MADAM SECRETARY. NEXT.

NEXT ITEM.

YOU CAN'T TABLE. NO.

THANK YOU. WHAT'S UP? ALL RIGHT, GUYS, SO THAT WAS INTERESTING.

I LEFT, I'LL MAKE SURE I'LL MAKE A NOTE NOT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AGAIN.

IT'S YOUR FAULT, MAYOR. SO, SOMEONE MAKING A MOTION TO TAKE UP THIS.

CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 5B21.

NEXT. OR ARE WE GOING DOWN THIS LIST? ARE WE GOING DOWN THIS LIST? AND PEOPLE ARE MAKING MOTIONS ON THESE INDIVIDUALLY OR ARE WE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I WAS JUMPING DOWN TO BULLETS FIVE AND SIX.

MAYOR, TO MAKE A POINT OF INFORMATION ON THESE.

OH, YOU HAVE A POINT OF INFORMATION.

GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT. SO FOR BULLETS FIVE AND SIX THIS IS THE EXTEND THE DEADLINE PETITIONERS MUST MEET TO COLLECT THE REQUIRED SIGNATURES ON A PETITION FROM 60 DAYS TO 120 DAYS AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES REQUIRED ON A PETITION IN SUPPORT OF HOLDING A REFERENDUM.

THE CITY. I HAD PREVIOUSLY ASKED THE QUESTION ON WHETHER THESE TWO ITEMS COULD BE COMBINED INTO ONE CHARTER AMENDMENT, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS WEIGHED IN ON THIS.

IF PEOPLE NEED TO GO TALK TO THEM AND GET CLARIFICATION, THEY CAN.

I DO PLAN ON PROPOSING IN THE FINAL VOTE MAYOR, THAT WE DO COMBINE THESE TWO INTO ONE CHARTER PROVISION.

POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

YES. I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GO IN ORDER.

OH, YEAH.

HE WASN'T EVEN MAKING A MOTION.

I HAD TO LISTEN TO SEE WHAT HE WAS GOING TO ULTIMATELY SAY.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND WHICH ONES HE WAS COMBINING ON.

SIX AND SEVEN ON THIS, ON THIS BULLET LIST, FIVE AND SIX.

I'M SORRY. FIVE AND SIX, FIVE AND SIX ON THIS BULLETED LIST.

BUT IT WASN'T EVEN A MOTION.

IT WAS MORE IT WAS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION OR INFORMATION, WHICH IS FINE.

OKAY. YEAH.

AND MY APOLOGIES, MAYOR. I THOUGHT ON THIS ONE WE WERE KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND.

THE NEXT ONE WE WERE GOING DOWN IN THE ORDER, SO.

WELL, IT'S MY FAULT. WE COULD, BUT I DON'T SEE, SINCE THESE ARE ALL JUST FROM THE COMMISSION, I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST KNOCK THEM OUT IN ORDER.

OKAY? BECAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE THEM ARRANGED IN WHAT SECTION OF THE CHARTER THAT THEY AFFECT, AND THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO THINK THEM THROUGH.

SO IF SOMEONE REALLY HAS A PASSION FOR TAKING THEM OUT OF ORDER, THEY CAN.

BUT SINCE THESE AREN'T MEMBER AMENDMENTS, LET'S JUST KNOCK OUT THE COMMISSION'S AMENDMENTS IN ORDER IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

SO WE'VE ADDRESSED THE FIRST ONE, AND DURING MY BRIEF BATHROOM TRIP, YOU GUYS DECIDED TO DO IT ON ANOTHER DAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE SECOND ONE AND GET THIS CONVERSATION GOING? ON THE SECOND ONE, THE CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 5B2.

SO MOVED I MOVED TO ADD ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR SERVING ON THE REDISTRICTING REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION.

BRIEF FIVE MINUTES, MR. BAZALDUA. THANK YOU.

I JUST HAVE INFORMATION.

YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT IS IT ALL IN ONE?

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THERE'S ONE THAT ALLOW RESIDENTS TO SERVE, AND THEN THERE'S ONE FOR ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA.

ARE THEY? THERE'S ONE ABOVE IT.

HE MOVED THE FIRST ONE.

YEAH I DID, YOU DID OKAY. I JUST NEEDED TO.

I ONLY HEARD ELIGIBILITY FOR SERVING AND REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

THAT'S ALL THE FIRST ONE SAYS THAT'S ALL.

THE FIRST ONE IS IT'S IT'S THE.

OH. SO WE'RE NOT.

OH WE'RE BACK TO. SO WE'RE NOT ON THE BOOK.

YEAH. WE'RE NOT ON THE BOOK.

WE'RE STILL ON THE PAGE.

I'M GOING TO THE BATHROOM AGAIN.

Y'ALL GET A LOT MORE DONE WHEN I'M GONE IN THE BATHROOM.

I'M JUST GOING TO GO AND COME BACK AND THIS WHOLE SHEET WILL BE DONE WHEN I COME BACK.

OKAY, SO THE MOTION THAT WAS SECONDED WAS ON THE SECOND BULLET POINT.

AND IT LITERALLY JUST READ IT WORD FOR WORD.

CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THE DISCUSSION FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THAT ONE? YES. I'LL JUST SAY THAT I HEARD THE DISCUSSION AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL.

I THINK THAT THESE ARE GOOD ADDITIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THE WAS IT ANCHIA? IT WAS REPRESENTATIVE ANCHIA FROM FEEDBACK ON HIM CHAIRING THE FIRST COMMISSION.

AND THEN ALSO THINGS THAT DID NOT, WERE, WERE NOT ABLE TO BE SHORED UP IN THE CHARTER REVIEW UNTIL THIS TIME, AS I RECALLED IT.

AND HE ALSO GAVE PRESENTATION TO US THE FIRST TIME WE HAD BRIEFING.

SO THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY REPRESENTATIVE ANCHIA, AND IT WAS PRESENTED BY HIM FROM HIS EXPERIENCE IN CHAIRING THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

I JUST NEED TO ADD JUST CLARIFICATION.

NEVER MIND. THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. HAVE A QUESTION? ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIVE.

I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'LL RUN YOUR TIME SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE A CONVERSATION, THEN GO AHEAD.

I WASN'T THAT WASN'T A JOKE.

I'M JUST SAYING IF THIS IS GOING TO BE HER INTERACTING, GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF FOR A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, THEN I NEED TO PUT HER ON THE CLOCK.

I THOUGHT SHE WAS ASKING LIKE A CHAIR.

A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

THAT'S ALL I NEED.

BECAUSE PERFECTLY FINE. YEAH.

I'M FINE. FIVE MINUTES. LET'S GO TO THE BATHROOM MYSELF.

I'M JUST NEED JUST NEED TO KNOW.

THAT'S QUICKLY. IS IT? SO FOR MAYOR, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THERE OR IS THERE IS THIS JUST A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT WILL POSSIBLY BE PLACED IN THE CHARTER IF APPROVED, OR ARE WE LEAVING FUTURE COUNCILS TO ADD CRITERIA? SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK I NEED TO GET TO LET THE STAFF SPEAK TO THIS DIRECTLY.

LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON PAGE 25 OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION'S REPORT, YOU'LL FIND A LIST OF VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT IF SOMEONE MET A SOMETHING ON THAT LIST ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA, THAT PERSON WOULD THEN BE SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM BEING ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE FIRST ONE LISTED IS IF SOMEONE WAS A CURRENT MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE SPOUSE OF A CURRENT MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, OR ANY FAMILY MEMBER WITHIN THE THIRD DEGREE OF CONSANGUINITY OR AFFINITY, THAT PERSON COULD NOT BE APPOINTED TO THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, MA'AM, WE ARE CLEAR.

ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST THE MOTION ON CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 5B2 MADE BY MISTER BAZALDUA.

SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.

SO THAT SECOND BULLET POINT IS MOVING ON.

RIGHT. OH, YOU NEED TO SHOW THE CARDS.

SHOW THE CARDS.

YEAH, WE GOT EVERYBODY. I'M NOT SHOWING THE CARD.

YOU GUYS SHOW YOUR RAISING THEIR CARDS IN FAVOR.

STEWART, WILLIS, RIDLEY BAZALDUA ARNOLD, ATKINS, RESENDEZ, NARVAEZ, WEST, BLACKMON, GRACIE, MORENO AND SCHULTZ.

THIS AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT, GUYS, WE'RE ON CARDS TODAY.

WE'RE NOT OFFICIALLY. I GOT TO REMEMBER MY OWN SPEECH.

NO VOTING, NO RECORD SHOW THE CARDS AND THE SECRETARY NOTES IT.

OKAY, THAT'S THE SECOND BULLET POINT.

THIRD ONE. ANYONE INTERESTED? CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, ARE YOU UP AGAIN? I HAVE, I MOVE TO ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO SERVE ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, THE PLAN COMMISSION, THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, AND THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD INSTEAD OF CITIZENS OR REGISTERED QUALIFIED VOTERS.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK WE HAD FIVE MINUTES.

I THINK WE HAD GOOD DISCUSSION ON THIS ALREADY.

AGAIN, THIS WAS VETTED AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.

THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE REASSURING OR THAT WAS BEING MADE EDITS ESSENTIALLY.

AND I BELIEVE THIS TO BE MORE OF A SEMANTICS, IF YOU WILL, OR EDITING OF VERBIAGE TO GO FROM WHERE WE'VE SEEN CITIZENS OR

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SO THERE WERE ACTUALLY TWO AMENDMENTS OR TWO, EXCUSE ME, TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MADE TO YOU ALL.

THE FIRST, WHICH WAS THE TECHNICAL CONSIDERATION, WAS WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT ON MAY 15TH.

THIS ONE IS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT WOULD ACTUALLY CHANGE A PRACTICE WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

RIGHT NOW, ONLY REGISTERED.

EXCUSE ME? CITIZENS OR REGISTERED SLASH QUALIFIED VOTERS ARE ALLOWED TO SERVE ON THESE FOUR BOARDS.

THIS WOULD NOW ALLOW FOR RESIDENTS TO SERVE ON THOSE FOUR BOARDS, WHICH IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS DO AS OF 2021, THAT ARE NOT IN THE CHARTER.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS? LAURA MORRISON, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

SO WHAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED WAS FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE CREATED BY THE CITY CHARTER, INSTEAD OF EACH MEMBER HAVING TO BE A REGISTERED OR QUALIFIED VOTER. THE MEMBERS WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.

MEANING OR NOT, CITIZENS LEGAL RESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, MEANING A GREEN CARD HOLDER AND ABLE TO WORK IN THE UNITED STATES.

CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE IS OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CHAPTER.

AND SOME TIME AGO, IT WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS I DON'T REMEMBER.

THAT WAS CHANGED TO RESIDENT.

SO FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, YOU CAN BE A RESIDENT AND SERVE ON THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR DISTINCTION IN WHAT YOU SAID, THOUGH.

THERE THEY ARE, LEGAL RESIDENTS.

JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A RESIDENT HERE THAT DOES NOT HAVE CITIZEN STATUS DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.

IS THAT ACCURATE TO SAY YES FOR THESE FOUR IN THE CHARTER? IT'S MORE THAN SOMEONE WHO JUST RESIDES.

IT'S SOMEONE WHO IS RESIDING HERE LEGALLY.

AND THE CURRENT WAY THAT IT IS WORDED WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE WHO MAY BE HERE, FOR INSTANCE, ON A WORK VISA.

IS THAT ACCURATE? I BELIEVE THAT'S ACCURATE.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE NOT A WORK VISA, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A GREEN CARD.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A GREEN CARD.

AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING PROPOSED AS WELL.

VISAS WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE.

YES. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT.

SO IF YOU'RE IF YOU ARE HERE AND RESIDING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS LEGALLY, WHICH IS PAYING TAXES THEN WE ARE SHORING UP THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRING A CERTAIN IMMIGRATION STATUS BY THE VERBIAGE.

IS THAT WHAT THIS IS DOING? THAT'S CORRECT. BUT IT THIS AMENDMENT ALSO DOES ONE OTHER THING.

IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US CITIZENS WHO ARE NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE OR DESIGNATED AS QUALIFIED VOTERS TO SERVE AS WELL.

OKAY. SO THE ADDITION OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE WOULD BE THOSE THAT ARE HERE ON PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS AND THOSE WHO ARE NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE BUT ARE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY.

CORRECT. OKAY.

I THINK THAT THIS SPEAKS TO ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR STATE RIGHT NOW AND EVEN LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAW.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO, IN MY OPINION.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE EXPENDING ANY RESOURCES ON DECIPHERING SOMEONE'S IMMIGRATION STATUS.

I BELIEVE THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED ON THAT VERY CLEARLY, THAT ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION STATUS IS FALLS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I THINK IF WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE A AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT IN THEIR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT, THAT THIS IS A STEP IN THAT RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND I BELIEVE THIS TO BE NOT NOT ONLY, OF COURSE, LEGAL HAS BEEN VETTED BY OUR CITY'S ATTORNEYS, BUT ALSO NECESSARY TO BE IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE STAND FOR AS A CITY AND HAVE PASSED.

SO I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND HOPE THAT THE THE BODY WILL AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO MY QUESTION IS THIS.

THIS WILL MATCH ALL.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT OTHER THINGS, IS THAT IS THIS GOING WITH THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT MAKE IT THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHERE WE CHANGE THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT FOR PEOPLE TO SERVE? NOT QUITE.

THIS AMENDMENT SPECIFICALLY SAYS LEGAL RESIDENT AND CHAPTER EIGHT SAYS SIMPLY RESIDENT.

ALL RIGHT. I LIKE THAT THIS GETS BETTER.

I STILL DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT WE'RE STILL GOING TO PICK ONE.

OR IS THERE A REASON THAT WE CAN'T MAKE IT OR HAVE CHANGED THIS TO MAKE IT THE SAME AS THE OTHER, THE OTHERS?

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SO IS THERE A REASON THAT WE WE COULDN'T DO THAT, OR THE TASK FORCE JUST WASN'T GIVEN THAT OPTION? OR JAKE CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS IF I GET THIS WRONG.

I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION AT FIRST VOTED TO SAY RESIDENT INSTEAD OF AUTHORIZED RESIDENT.

AND THEN THEY WENT BACK AND RECONSIDERED IT BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT AUTHORIZED RESIDENT WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE TO THE VOTERS.

BUT THERE'S NO REASON WHY IT COULDN'T SAY SIMPLY RESIDENT THE WAY CHAPTER EIGHT SAYS, OKAY, JAKE, WILL YOU THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.

THE CONVERSATION WAS AROUND WHETHER OR NOT THEY BELIEVED IT WOULD PASS VOTERS, AND THEY DECIDED THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THEY BELIEVED WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE.

ALL RIGHT. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A I MOVE TO AMEND THIS AND REMOVE THE WORD.

AUTHORIZED, AUTHORIZED AND JUST LEAVE.

THE WORD RESIDENT IS THAT IS THAT I GUESS I NEED A SECOND BEFORE I START ASKING.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

SO HERE WE ARE NOW, FOLKS, WE'RE ON THE NARVAEZ AMENDMENT TO MR. BAZALDUA ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH WAS ON BULLET THREE.

IT'S BULLET THREE ON YOUR HANDOUT.

SO YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES NOW ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR. AND SO MY QUESTION IS WITH THAT ONE CHANGE IN WORD, DOES THAT WOULD THAT MAKE THINGS EQUAL TO THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

YES. CAN I GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? I JUST WANT TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE YOU ADDRESSING IT TO? TO ME. YOU WANT ME TO CLARIFY A RULING? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ATTORNEYS HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM, BUT WHAT I READ DID NOT SAY LEGAL.

IT SAID I SAID RESIDENT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS IS CLEAR.

I SAID ALLOW RESIDENTS TO SERVE.

I READ IT VERBATIM OFF OF THE PAGE THAT WE HAVE IN BULLET NUMBER BULLET NUMBER THREE.

YEAH, HE'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.

THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THE BUT THE WORDING THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION TO GO INTO THE CHARTER WAS AUTHORIZED RESIDENT.

OKAY. SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO CLARIFY REALLY QUICKLY.

DOES NOT COUNT AGAINST ANYBODY'S TIME.

CAN YOU CLARIFY THIS FOR ME? THIS THIS IS NOT WORD FOR WORD.

WHAT? THE CHART. WHAT THE WHAT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING TO THE VOTERS IS GOING TO BE.

THIS IS YOUR BULLET SUMMARY FOR PURPOSES OF INTRODUCING A MOTION TODAY OF WHAT THE THE EFFECT OF THE CHANGE WILL BE FOR, FOR OUR SORT OF COMMON VERNACULAR TODAY.

LIKE IN OTHER WORDS, THIS ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.

THIS IS HOW THEY'RE MOVING THE MAKING THE MOTION TODAY.

IS THAT RIGHT OR IS THAT WRONG? THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR FINAL REPORT ON PAGE FOUR, WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING JUST ON THAT HANDOUT.

THAT'S THAT'S JUST FOR EASE OF FOLLOWING ALONG.

AND THAT IS JUST THE SUMMARY OF THE SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS.

SO TO SEE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE THAT IS IN THE CHARTER UNDERNEATH OR UNDER THAT SUMMARY, YOU WOULD NEED TO FLIP TO TAB TO THE TABS WITH THE CHAPTERS ON THEM AND LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE.

SO SO THIS, THIS LIST THAT YOU HAVE IS JUST THE SUMMARY LANGUAGE.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.

JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THIS PAGE IS JUST FOR EASE OF INTRODUCING THE MOTION AND SAYING OPERATIVELY WHAT IT WILL DO.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE LEGAL LANGUAGE AND EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL GO TO THE VOTERS, YOU GOT TO GO INTO THAT BOOK AND FIND THE CORRESPONDING AMENDMENT.

AND THAT DOES HAVE THE AUTHORIZED WORDING, WHICH IS WHAT MR. NARVAEZ WANTS TO STRIKE WITH HIS AMENDMENT AS WELL.

MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S INTENT IS CLEAR.

YOU MOVED IT AS IT WAS WRITTEN.

THE AMENDMENT WOULD JUST STRIKE AUTHORIZED FROM THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE BOOK.

CLAIRE, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ASK THERE TO CLARIFY? THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M JUST I GUESS SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DIFFERENCE ON THAT.

BUT HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THE MOTION THAT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD WAS CLEAR THAT IT DID NOT SAY AUTHORIZED.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE MOTION THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING AND ARE SET TO VOTE ON IS THE WORDS THAT CAME OUT OF MY MOUTH, NOT ON A PIECE OF PAPER IN FRONT OF US.

OKAY, THAT'S WHERE I GOT TO KIND OF I KIND OF GOT A.

MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND SOMETHING.

EVERYBODY HERE THAT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALL HAD WHAT WE WERE DOING.

I WE NEED TO CLARIFY IT NOW GOING FORWARD.

SO COULD MY MOTION HAVE BEEN TO AMEND THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN READ IT VERBATIM.

AND THEN THERE WOULD BE NO DISCREPANCY BECAUSE IT WASN'T TO MOVE WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN FRONT OF US.

IT WAS MEANT TO BE EXACTLY THE WAY THAT I READ IT, WHICH WOULD WHICH WOULD MAKE HIS MOTION NOT NECESSARY.

RIGHT. BUT HERE'S HERE'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING.

AND WE CAN CLARIFY THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WERE DOING.

AND THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE HELPFUL HERE.

I THOUGHT WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS PEOPLE WHO WERE SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTIONS ON THIS SHEET OF PAPER.

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AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEY CAN INTRODUCE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT.

BUT I THOUGHT I THOUGHT YOU WERE MOVING WHAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, WHICH IS THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE BOOK.

AND THIS WAS JUST SHORTHAND FOR THAT.

I WOULD LOVE CLARITY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT SO FAR.

THE VERY FIRST BULLET WAS INTRODUCED TO THE BODY WITH A MOTION THAT WAS AN AMENDMENT.

ORIGINALLY THERE WAS NO MOTION TO TAKE UP.

NO. THE FIRST THE FIRST BULLET POINT, IF I RECALL, WAS ACTUALLY TO DO IT AS THE CHARTER COMMISSION RECOMMENDED.

AND THEN IT GOT AMENDED.

I THOUGHT YOUR AMENDMENT CHANGED IT.

THE VERY FIRST MOTION THAT WAS MADE WAS BY MISS STEWART, AND IT WAS MADE WITH NEW TOTALS.

THEN. WE DEFINITELY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT THAT WAY.

AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS GET THE CHARTER COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN FRONT OF US FIRST, AND THEN PEOPLE NEED TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THAT.

SO WE KIND OF SKIPPED A STEP REALLY ON ON KATHY STEWART'S MOTION, WHICH I SHOULD HAVE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE GOALS HAVE BEEN APPROVED FIRST AND THEN AMENDED NOT EVEN A MOTION TO APPROVE JUST TO GET IT ON THE FLOOR FIRST, TO THEN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO IT, AS OPPOSED TO INITIALLY INTRODUCING AN AMENDED VERSION OF WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED, BECAUSE THAT THAT WOULD KEEP US HERE A LOT LONGER THAN WE SHOULD BE.

IF WHAT MEMBERS WERE GOING TO DO IS INTRODUCE IN THE FIRST PLACE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR VERSION OF WHAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION IN THEIR MINDS SHOULD HAVE DONE BECAUSE THAT REALLY THAT THAT'S TURNING IT INTO MEMBER AMENDMENT DAY WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FIRST CHARTER COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT DAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY, SO I APOLOGIZE.

I'LL STICK WITH THE SECOND FOR HIS AMENDMENT.

SO DO YOU WANT DO YOU LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

IF YOU'RE SAYING YOUR INTENT WAS TO JUST DO WHAT HE'S DOING, THEN WHAT WE DO NEED TO DO THEN IS ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

WELL, WE NEED TO ACTUALLY, I THINK WE NEED THE CHARTER COMMISSION'S AMENDMENT OUT THERE FIRST, WHICH IS WHAT WE THOUGHT YOU WERE INTENDING TO DO. SO IF YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE.

AND THEN HIS AMENDMENT IS WHAT I THINK YOU WOULD BE WANTING TO SUPPORT THEN.

CORRECT. AND THEN THAT WILL THAT WILL RESOLVE THE ISSUE.

BUT WE DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T THINK, UNDO THE ORIGINAL MOTION BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE ALL OF THESE IS GET THE CHARTER AMENDMENT YES SIR OUT THERE FIRST.

SO OKAY, IF YOU'RE COOL, EVERYONE WITH US JUST SORT OF KEEP GOING DOWN THIS PATH.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE SAME PLACE.

BUT THAT WAS THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

THESE ARE THESE ARE JUST THE SUMMARIES OF WHAT'S IN THE BOOK.

SO WHO WANTS TO I THINK I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. SO YOU STILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES AND 52 SECONDS ON THE YOUR AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND COLLEAGUES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. POINT OF CLARIFICATION AS WELL.

MR. BAZALDUA AND, MR. MAYOR, I THINK THAT REALLY CLEARED UP A LOT FOR ALL OF US.

SO COLLEAGUES, I JUST ALL I WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EQUALITY.

AND THIS ISN'T AN EQUITY ISSUE AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS AN EQUALITY ISSUE FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED AND TRIED TO DO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T SIT HERE EVERY DAY THE WAY WE DO AND KNOW EVERY IN AND OUT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER THINGS.

AND AS WE ARE A WELCOMING CITY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ELIGIBLE TO SERVE, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT THERE'S SOME OF YOU I KNOW FOR MYSELF, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MY OTHER COLLEAGUES, BUT I CAN ONLY GUESS THAT THEY MAY HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY ELIGIBLE TO OR, I'M SORRY, VERY QUALIFIED TO SERVE ON THESE FOUR BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE INELIGIBLE BECAUSE OF THE CHARTER.

THAT'S AN INEQUITY, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR DISTRICT, FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR THEIR RESIDENTS.

SO THAT'S WHY IF WE TAKE OUT THIS ONE WORD, I THINK WE'RE WE ARE CREATING AN EQUALITY, WHICH WE WANT TO GET TO AS WELL WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO EQUITY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE GOAL OF EQUITY IS TO EVENTUALLY GET TO EQUALITY.

SO MR. MAYOR, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO JUST STRIKE THAT ONE WORD.

THANK YOU. AND I HOPE WE CAN MY COLLEAGUES WILL SUPPORT THIS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS WILLIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON MR. NARVAEZ AMENDMENT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT 2021 AND SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE BALLOT RELATED TO THIS.

WASN'T THERE SOMETHING THAT WENT BEFORE VOTERS AND FAILED? YES THERE WAS.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF WENT TO WHAT WENT TO THE BALLOT, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO I THINK THAT'S A DISTINCTION HERE THAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

IS THAT WHAT WENT BEFORE THE VOTERS THAT DID NOT PASS? BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WHERE WE ARE A MIDPOINT OF SAYING OF OPENING IT UP AND ALLOWING MORE PEOPLE TO SERVE AND BE APPOINTED BY SAYING IT DOESN'T JUST YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUST BE A CITIZEN.

IT CAN BE SOMEONE WHO IS A NON-CITIZEN, BUT A LEGAL RESIDENT, SOMEONE WHO IS REMOVING THE THAT YOU'RE REGISTERED TO VOTE.

AND SO THAT DOES OPEN UP THE SCOPE OF WHO COULD BE SERVING ON THESE ON THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

BUT THEN THE AMENDMENT IS ABOUT GOING ALL THE WAY TO INCLUDING ANY RESIDENT THAT COULD BE UNDOCUMENTED.

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AND WHILE I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE QUALIFIED TO SERVE OR YOU KNOW, PLUGGED INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES AND BE A GREAT ASSET, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE THIS SUCCEED.

AND IT MAY TAKE A MID STEP.

DO WE KNOW WHAT I CAN SAY? COUNCIL MEMBER, IS THAT THE COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION AROUND THE PALATABILITY TO VOTERS WAS BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED IN 2021.

I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONERS, THE COMMISSIONER WHO I BELIEVE PROPOSED THIS CHANGE WAS ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT OF WHAT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD DO, BUT BELIEVED THAT BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE, IT WOULD PROBABLY FAIL AT THE AT THE BALLOT BOX.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY RECOMMENDED THE CHANGE.

OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT BACKGROUND.

MR. RESENDEZ. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THIS IS ON MR. NARVAEZ AMENDMENT, CORRECT? YEAH. I'LL BE I'M IN FAVOR OF OF THE AMENDMENT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO ALSO JUST MENTION THAT WE GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THE SUMMARY.

OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE ARE SUBSTANTIVE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS AND AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE VOTED ON.

BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS DISCUSSION YEARS AGO.

AND THE COMMISSION ALSO DISCUSSED IT.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS JUST MENTIONED IN 2021, WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING.

YOU KNOW, THE VOTERS TURNED IT DOWN.

THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS, THOUGH, THAT WE'LL BE DEALING WITH ON NOVEMBER ELECTION.

SO IT'LL BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT REALM.

AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'D BE IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU. MR.. CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE NARVAEZ AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.

ACTUALLY HAD INTRODUCED SOME LANGUAGE AS WELL TO CHANGE THE WORD FROM CITIZENS TO RESIDENT.

AND THAT WAS MY INTENT TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH ON, ON EVERY SINGLE DISCUSSION TOPIC THAT WE'RE LEADING.

SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.

CHAIRMAN WAS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.

AND AND I'M A LITTLE TORN ON THIS.

I COMPLETELY SUPPORT WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE TRYING TO DO HERE, TO MAKE IT EVEN WHERE MORE PEOPLE CAN, CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS.

MY ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET THROUGH TO THE VOTERS WHAT WHAT WILL ACTUALLY PASS BACK IN 2021, IN MAY IT WAS A TWO TO IT FAILED BY A 2 TO 1 MARGIN, SOMETHING THAT WE AS A COUNCIL PUSHED UP.

AND THAT WAS WITH JUST THE WORD RESIDENTS.

SO I MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE COMMISSION ADDED IN AUTHORIZED IN FRONT OF THE WORD RESIDENTS IN ORDER TO TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PALATABLE TO ENOUGH VOTERS FOR THIS TO END UP PASSING.

SO FOR ME, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.

I'M STILL I WANT TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY.

I HAVEN'T COMPLETELY MADE UP MY MIND.

BUT THE ORIGINAL VERSION WAS VETTED OUT BY THE COMMISSION AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO PASS IN NOVEMBER.

AND AND FOR ME, GETTING SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD THROUGH TO VOTERS IS BETTER THAN GETTING SOMETHING PERFECT THAT'S GOING TO FAIL.

THANKS. IS EVERYBODY STILL IN THE QUEUE REALLY MEAN IT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO ONE STILL HANGING IN BY ACCIDENT.

OKAY, THEN I SEE MR..

RESENDEZ. AT THE TOP FOR ABOUT THREE MINUTES.

I'M. I'M JUST LOOKING AT.

OH, YEAH. OKAY. GO AHEAD. YEAH.

FIVE MINUTES. MR. BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, I I WOULD I APPRECIATE HEARING THE DISCUSSION AND AND THE POINTS MADE BY MR. WEST, I GUESS, WHERE I'M, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO TALK.

YES. THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE CHARTER REVIEW LEVEL WITH WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE SPECULATION OF, OF WHAT VOTERS.

AND IT WAS IT WAS DONE VERY ARBITRARILY.

IT'S JUST AS MUCH OF A GUESS AS WHAT THIS BODY WOULD DO.

I THINK THAT WHAT THEY DIDN'T DISCUSS WAS SOME OF THE SPECIFICS.

THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP ONE IN PARTICULAR BY MR. RESENDEZ, THAT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT VOTING POPULATIONS, TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF TURNOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAY ELECTION VERSUS A NOVEMBER ELECTION.

WE ALSO HAD A DIFFERENT CITY ATTORNEY OPINION THAT WHAT NEEDS TO BE WEIGHED IN BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION OF, WITH A VERY, VERY SHORT SHOT CLOCK FROM WHEN WE PUT THIS TO THE REFERENDUM TO WIN THIS ACTUALLY CAME TO THE

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WE ALL LITERALLY SAT BACK, COMPLETELY SILENT FROM THE DAY THAT WE TOOK THE VOTE HERE ON THE HORSESHOE UNTIL THE VOTERS WENT TO THE BALLOT BOX.

AND THOSE, TO ME, ARE TWO VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS OF THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF US TO WHAT WE DEALT WITH A FEW YEARS BACK.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE DATA OF THE HUGE INCREASE OF TURNOUT OF A NOVEMBER ELECTION VERSUS THE MAY ELECTION. KNOWING THE COMPOSITION OF OUR VOTER TURNOUT IN OUR CITY AND KNOWING THAT WE ARE VERY STRONG DEMOCRATIC CITY OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND ALSO KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE AND CAMPAIGN FOR IN OUR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY, WHATEVER PROPOSITIONS GET PUT OR REFERENDUM GET PUT UP, WHATEVER BALLOT MEASURES GET PUT UP, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

AND THAT WAS NOT ARTICULATED TO US FROM THE PRIOR CITY ATTORNEY.

IN FACT, WE WERE GIVEN AN OPINION CONTRARY THAT KEPT US ALL COMPLETELY SILENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AND SO WITH THOSE TWO DISTINCTIONS, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN PUT THIS FORWARD AS PRESENTED WITH THE AMENDMENT AND STILL BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE VOTERS. I BELIEVE IT TO BE PALATABLE LANGUAGE.

I THINK JAKE WANTED TO CHIME IN, AND I JUST WANTED TO OFFER WE HAVE FOUND THE LANGUAGE FROM 2021, IF YOU'D LIKE, LIKE FOR US TO SHARE THAT FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, I DON'T I DON'T PERSONALLY NEED IT.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISSEMINATE IT, THAT'S FINE.

OR IF SOMEBODY ELSE REQUESTS IT.

I THINK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BALLOT WE'RE BRINGING UP HERE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THERE'S DIFFERENCE IN CIRCUMSTANCES TO WHAT THE VOTERS WERE VOTING ON THEN VERSUS NOW.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY COMPARING THE TWO BALLOT MEASURES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT. CHAIRMAN WHO ARE WE ON TO NOW? MR. RESENDEZ? YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. ONE OTHER THING.

I WANTED TO RAISE.

ONE OTHER POINT IS THAT I DON'T THINK THAT IS WISE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO BE IN A POSITION TO TO ASK PEOPLE TO SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS FOR THESE VOLUNTARY POSITIONS.

WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE TO SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS WHEN WE ASK THEM FOR THEIR TAX DOLLARS.

AND SO IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS AND YOU'RE PAYING TAXES TO THE CITY, YOU DESERVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

YOUR OPINION MATTERS, YOUR PERSPECTIVE MATTERS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M STILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU. MISS WILLIS, YOU RECOGNIZE FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE CITY SECRETARY DOES HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS ON THE BALLOT IN 2021 AND CAN READ THAT FOR US, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.

THANK YOU. ON THE MAY BALLOT, IT WAS PROPOSITION A, AND THE LANGUAGE WAS THAT THE DALLAS CITY CHARTER BE AMENDED TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT THAT A MEMBER OF A BOARD OR COMMISSION CREATED BY THE CITY CHARTER BE A REGISTERED OR QUALIFIED VOTER AND THE RESULTS? OR YOU JUST WANT THE LANGUAGE.

THE LANGUAGE IS FINE. THANK YOU.

SO REGISTERED OR QUALIFIED VOTER? OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, I KNOW I HAVE NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE STANDING UP TO SERVE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHO, YOU KNOW, MEET THE CURRENT CRITERIA.

HOWEVER, I'VE HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUES THAT THEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF SITUATION.

AND SO I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THEIR DISTRICTS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR RESIDENTS IN THE CITY, THOSE WHO ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE, AND JUST LET THE VOTERS TELL US HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS.

AND THERE IS MORE TIME TO EDUCATE THE THE ELECTION IS AT A DIFFERENT TIME OF YEAR.

AND SO I COULD GO BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE WHERE WE NEED TO LET OUR VOTERS TELL US WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, WHO THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, SERVE ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THANKS, CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES ON YOUR OWN AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M.

I'M JUST RISING TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR THIS ROBUST CONVERSATION.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S LIKE I HEAR IT.

EVERYBODY SOUNDS LIKE THEY WANT THIS TO PASS.

BECAUSE 2021 HURT.

AND IT'S EVERYTHING MR. RESENDEZ JUST MENTIONED IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT OUR HANDS WERE GOING TO GET BOUND AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE SHOVED WITH A GAG THAT WE COULDN'T SPEAK, WE COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING, AND WE WERE IN ELECTION TIME AS WELL FOR OURSELVES.

AND TO BE ASKED THAT QUESTION, DO YOU SUPPORT THIS? WHAT DO YOU WHY, YOU KNOW, AND I HAD TO SIT THERE INSIDE OF WHERE THERE WAS A FORUM WITH THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, WHATEVER IT WAS ON THE AND SAY, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ON THIS BECAUSE WE PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S RULING AT THAT TIME.

SINCE THEN, THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CITY ATTORNEY WHO GAVE US A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION OF THAT, AND WE JUST SAW IT WITH TWO DIFFERENT BALLOT MEASURES THAT WE HAVE PUT ON THE BALLOT CONVENTION CENTER AS WELL AS THE BONDS THAT WE JUST DID.

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WHETHER YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY OR YOU'RE NOT, AND YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, YOU PAY TAXES AND THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS USE A LOT OF TAXES.

THESE FOUR SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DO.

SO IT'S THE OTHER THING IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS JUST READ IS NOT GOING TO BE THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE BALLOT.

THAT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME.

AND THIS ONE IS LITERALLY GOING TO SAY ALLOW RESIDENTS TO SERVE ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF, EXCEPT FOR INSIDE OF THE DOCUMENT WITH THE WHAT IT WOULD CHANGE.

SO IF THEY SEE THIS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH DIFFERENT.

IN ORDER TO WIN THE WHEN THE VOTERS GO OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE A MUCH DIFFERENT BALLOT INITIATIVE THAN THEY DID IN 2021.

UNFORTUNATELY, IN 2021, WE DIDN'T KNOW EVERYTHING WE KNEW KNEW THEN LIKE WE DO NOW.

SO IT'S ONE WORD.

IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED AND NOBODY'S GOING TO KNOW DIFFERENT.

BECAUSE IT WON'T HAVE EVER EXISTED.

BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER IN THE FINAL OF ANYTHING.

BECAUSE IT'S JUST IT'S LIKE A DRAFT RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE JUST FIXING THE DRAFT.

SO I HOPE YOU ALL WILL SUPPORT IT.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MUCH EASIER TIME GETTING THIS ONE PASSED FOR A LOT OF REASONS THAT YOU HEARD.

BUT I DO REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WASN'T EVEN PLANNING TO DO THIS UNTIL THE QUESTIONS STARTED GETTING ANSWERED AND IT WAS LIKE, WHOA, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE'S SOMETHING NOT RIGHT HERE.

AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT RIGHT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE TASK FORCE FOR WHAT THEY DID, BECAUSE IT'S A HARD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND THE ISSUES THAT, THAT SURROUND IT.

SO THANK YOU, COLLEAGUES.

AGAIN, I HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT IT.

AND THEN I HOPE WE CAN GET THEM SOME PASSED, BECAUSE WE GOT A BIG DEAL GOING ON DOWNSTAIRS IN A FEW MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR.

AND BY THE WAY, MEMBERS, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AS FAR AS THE WORK PLAN, AFTER WE DEAL WITH THIS ONE, WE'LL RECESS FOR LUNCH, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND PICK UP THE NEXT START.

THE NEXT ONE. MISS BLACKMON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE BOOK, AND THERE WAS SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE TWO ACTION ITEMS. ONE, IT PASSED BY ONE VOTE AND THE OTHER ONE, IT BECAME A TEN THREE VOTE.

WAS IT BECAUSE OF THE AUTHORIZED WORD BEING ADDED? YES. AND SO WHY DID Y'ALL READ? WHY DID Y'ALL LOOK AT DID SOMEBODY FROM THE PREVAILING SIDE? I MEAN, GIVE ME THE HISTORY OF WHY YOU DID TWO VOTES.

YES. SO THIS AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THEY HAD AROUND THE PALATABILITY TO VOTERS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE ON THE PREVAILING SIDE SAID, YES, I SUPPORT THIS.

HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THIS WILL PASS.

AND SO I WANT TO PROPOSE THIS AS KIND OF YOU KNOW, AN ATTEMPT TO PUT SOMETHING FORWARD THAT THAT THEY BELIEVED WOULD PASS AND I GUESS AUTHORIZED IS DEFINED IN STATUTE.

YES. OKAY.

AND BUT WE ARE NOW LOOKING TO STRIKE AUTHORIZED AND SAY, IF YOU CAN PROVE YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF THIS AS WELL AS A CITIZEN, BUT IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, THEN YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE.

THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THERE WAS TWO ITEMS IT WAS VOTED ON TWICE AND THEY ONLY GOT THREE MORE VOTES.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, BUT THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD THEY FELT THAT THAT WAS THAT WORD WOULD CHANGE THE FEELINGS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW IF AUTHORIZED WOULD CHANGE FEELINGS ON SOME OF THEM.

THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT THAT WAS I WAS AN EDITORIALIZING.

THANK YOU. CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS LANGUAGE TO YOU GUYS.

I WANT YOU THIS.

THIS IS WHAT THIS WILL SAY IF WE DROP THE WORD AUTHORIZED.

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS WILL SAY PERSONS APPOINTED TO THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION MUST BE DALLAS RESIDENTS WHO ARE CITIZENS OR RESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? BECAUSE THE WORD IT'S DALLAS RESIDENTS WHO ARE CITIZENS, OR WE'RE DROPPING THE WORD AUTHORIZED OR RESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES.

I THINK IT'S THE OTHER. IS THAT? AM I ON THE RIGHT? CORRECT? YEAH. SO I JUST WANT WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THE WORD CITIZENS IS STILL THERE.

IT'S NOT JUST SAYING RESIDENTS AND THAT'S FOR.

YEAH, IT'S MEANT TO BE OR.

BUT WE WOULD WORDSMITH THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.

IT IS A DALLAS CITIZENS OR RESIDENTS BECAUSE YOU REMOVE THE AUTHORIZED.

OKAY. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE STILL DISTINGUISHING PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING ALL RESIDENTS.

TRUE. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE LIKE, YOU GOT A CLASS OVER HERE AND THIS CLASS OVER HERE.

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I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING INCLUSIVE, MY MIND GOES TO IT'S ALL RESIDENTS, AND I'M NOT REALLY ARGUING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I JUST THE WORDS ARE.

CAN I GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO ME? WHAT IS IT? I THINK THIS IS A GREAT POINT, BUT THIS SPEAKS TO THE DISCREPANCY IN HAVING A SUMMARY VERSUS THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE, BECAUSE I AM NOT UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT MISS STEWART IS READING.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WOULD BE WORDSMITH WITH FOR LEGAL VETTING.

AFTER WE MADE THE MOTION AT THIS HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY THAT'S BEEN PUT IN FRONT OF US.

OKAY. SO IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WITH WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR, IT WOULD NEED TO REFLECT WHAT I THINK MISS STEWART IS, IS POINTING OUT THAT IT WOULD NOT.

I HEAR YOUR POINT. SO HERE'S WHAT I HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

AND THEN I'M GONNA LET THE PARLIAMENTARIAN SAY WHATEVER THE ANSWER IS.

BUT MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT YOU MOVED.

AND NOW WE KNOW THAT WE HADN'T CLARIFIED WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING.

WHAT YOU MOVED WAS JUST WHATEVER CAME OUT OF THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS GET THAT OUT FIRST.

AND THEN WHAT? MR. NARVAEZ MOVED WAS TO AMEND THAT LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE BOOK BY THE REMOVAL OF THE WORD AUTHORIZED.

I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE BOOK TO KNOW IF HOW KATHY STEWART JUST READ IT INTO THE RECORD WOULD BE EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD SAY IF THAT HAPPENED.

BUT EITHER WAY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS PROCEDURALLY WHAT WHAT APPROVING YOUR MOTION, MR. NARVAEZ WOULD DO.

IT WOULD TAKE THE LANGUAGE THAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION VOTED OUT AND REMOVE THAT ONE WORD, AND THAT WOULD BE THE THE THING THAT WENT BEFORE THE VOTERS.

NOW, I'LL LET THE PARLIAMENTARIAN CLEAN ALL THAT UP AND EXPLAIN IF THAT'S WRONG SOMEHOW.

BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'VE DONE UP TO NOW.

WE HAVE DONE THAT UP TO NOW.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOOK, THE IT'S GIVING THE CHOICE.

YOU CAN EITHER BE A CITIZEN OR A RESIDENT.

IT'S JUST A CHOICE. AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THIS BODY TO STRIKE CITIZEN AND JUST GO WITH RESIDENT.

BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS CITIZEN OR RESIDENT.

AND IT WAS IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FROM THE THE COMMISSION AS CITIZEN OR AUTHORIZED RESIDENT.

SO THEY WANTED THAT CHOICE.

SO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE WORD CITIZEN OUT.

YOU'D HAVE TO FURTHER AMEND.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

I JUST WAS LISTENING TO THE SPIRIT OF THE CONVERSATION.

AND AS I READ THE WORDS AND LISTENED TO THE CONVERSATION, I FELT LIKE THERE WAS A DISCONNECT.

AND I THINK WHAT WHEN WE LOOK AT BULLET POINT 4 OR 3, THREE WE'RE LOOKING AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS, RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT REDISTRICTING PLAN, COMMISSION, SERVICE BOARD, PARK AND RECREATION BOARD.

IS THAT THIS LANGUAGE? IS IS IT THE SAME AND ALL OF THOSE.

SECTIONS. YES, THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION IS THE SAME FOR ALL FOUR.

IT WILL. BUT BUT THE ORIGINAL WORDING, THE WORDING WILL SAY DALLAS RESIDENTS WHO ARE CITIZENS OR AUTHORIZED RESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES.

THAT PHRASE IS BEING USED FOR ALL OF THOSE COMMISSIONS.

YES. OKAY, I THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT WHAT WE WERE DOING, WHAT WE WERE GOING, WHAT THE END PRODUCT WOULD BE, AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS IN LINE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING.

POINT OF INFORMATION, MR. MAYOR. WHO HAS THE FLOOR? NO ONE YET, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T VERY GOOD.

I WAS JUST I'M ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE PARLIAMENTARIAN AS A SIDEBAR REALLY QUICKLY.

ALL RIGHT, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS NOT GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT WAS INCORRECT BEFORE I SAID IT.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE IS WHILE THE AND WE APPRECIATE STAFF PROVIDING THE SUMMARY, IT WAS MEANT FOR EASE OF DISCUSSION TODAY, BUT IT IS NOT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE.

SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE CHARTER REVIEWS, RECOMMENDATIONS OF A LEGAL NATURE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL TECHNICAL LANGUAGE, YOU DO NEED TO BE LOOKING SIMULTANEOUSLY AT THE BOOK AND THE SUMMARY BECAUSE THIS THIS SUMMARY IS NOT THE LANGUAGE.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOME WORDSMITHING, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THE BOOK TOO.

SO THAT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR AND GOOD ADVICE.

CHAIRMAN WEST I THINK.

ARE YOU DONE? OKAY. CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

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THANK YOU. MAYOR. I GUESS FIVE.

THREE. POINT OF INFORMATION FIRST.

CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE? YEAH, I CAN THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS SIMPLY TO STRIKE THE WORD AUTHORIZED FROM THE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE BOOK THAT CORRESPONDS TO BULLET POINT NUMBER THREE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. AND IN MY IN ORDER, IF I MAKE THERE ARE TOO MANY MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR.

CAN I MAKE ONE? YOU COULD MAKE ONE.

OKAY. SO MY MOTION WOULD BE.

AND I'M USING THE BOOK HERE TO SIMPLY CHANGE THE UNDERLINED VERBIAGE TO DALLAS RESIDENTS.

SO ELIMINATE ALL OF THE EVERYTHING THAT'S AFTER THAT ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH UNITED STATES.

I THINK THAT SIMPLIFIES IT.

AND IT GETS THE POINT ACROSS.

THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON YOUR AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? ALL RIGHT. I CAN POINT A POINT OF INFORMATION STATED WITH THIS MOTION.

WILL THAT ELIMINATE MY MOTION SO I CAN I COULD JUST PULL MINE BECAUSE I PREFER THIS MOTION.

WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR AMENDMENT, SO THAT WOULD CHANGE IT TO THAT.

SO OKAY. PERFECT. AND I AND I ACCEPT IT AS FRIENDLY.

I CAN ASK IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTION.

NO OBJECTION. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FOR ANYONE TO ADOPT.

SO NOW THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED.

SO WE'RE STILL ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

BUT IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN AMENDED BY THE WEST AMENDMENT NOW.

SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE NARVAEZ AMENDMENT AS AMENDED? I DON'T SEE ANYONE.

SO YOU NEED TO SHOW CARDS IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE NARVAEZ AMENDMENT CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR STUART WILLIS, BAZALDUA NARVAEZ, ARNOLD, ATKINS, RESENDEZ, WEST, BLACKMON, GRACIE, MORENO AND SCHULTZ.

THE AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD, MR. MAYOR. WELL, THAT'S. WANT TO BE CLEAR.

TECHNICALLY, WHAT WE JUST DID NOW IS WE'VE AMENDED MR. BAZALDUA HIS ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH WAS JUST BULLET THREE WITH THIS AMENDMENT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BAZALDUA AMENDMENT, AS AMENDED? ALL RIGHT. SHOW CARDS IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT IF YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF IT.

THIS. YEAH, WE THIS IS WE DID AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT, AND NOW WE'RE DOING THE AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

THAT'S RIGHT. CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR STEWART WILLIS, BAZALDUA NARVAEZ, ARNOLD, RESENDEZ, WEST, BLACKMON, GRACIE, MORENO AND SCHULTZ. THE AMENDED AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'VE DISPOSED OF BULLET POINT NUMBER THREE, AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER.

ARE WE? HOLD ON ONE SECOND. THEN WE'RE GOING TO RECESS FOR LUNCH AND PICK UP WITH BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR WHEN WE COME BACK.

AND BEFORE WE PICK UP POINT NUMBER FOUR, WHEN WE COME BACK, WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN UNTIL WELL, RECESS UNTIL 1 P.M..

ALL RIGHT. MEMBERS.

IT'S 1:42 P.M., AND WE'RE BACK IN REGULAR SESSION AS EVERYBODY GETS BACK TO THEIR SEATS.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

MAYOR. AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TODAY IS THE FINAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER JOHN FORTUNE.

MR. FORTUNE, WILL YOU COME OUT, PLEASE? OH. EXCUSE ME.

WHILE MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT WE HAVE ONLY KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR SEVEN YEARS IN OUR TIME HERE AT DALLAS, I WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT AND LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THIS IS A 30 YEAR FRIENDSHIP.

AND THAT IS WHY TODAY IT'S BITTERSWEET FOR ME.

JOHN IS A REMARKABLE PERSON AND HIS COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE IS UNMATCHED.

IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE, JOHN, TO WALK ALONGSIDE YOU THESE LAST SEVEN YEARS, FIRST IN THE ROLE OF ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND THEN AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW JOHN, HE DOESN'T LIKE BEING IN THE CENTER OF ATTENTION.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TODAY FOR US TO RECOGNIZE YOU AND ALL OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR CITY.

JOHN HAS LED THE CITY'S MEET AND CONFER PROCESS, RESULTING IN A NEW MARKET PAY STRUCTURE FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

HE IMPLEMENTED THE RIGHT CARE PROGRAM AND OUR CIVILIAN MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAMS TO ADDRESS SOCIAL AND BEHAVIORAL NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS. JOHN ESTABLISHED THE DETECTION CENTER DEFLECTION CENTER, OFFERING SOBERING SERVICES AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO ARREST FOR INDIVIDUALS DETAINED FOR PUBLIC INTOXICATION, WHICH HAS PROMOTED A COMPASSION INTERVENTION MODEL.

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JOHN OVERSAW THE DALLAS FIRE RESCUE MS QUALITY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, RESULTING IN IMPROVED PATIENT CARE AND OUTCOMES FOR RESIDENTS.

IN ADDITION TO ALL OF HIS OPERATIONAL WORK, JOHN HAS LITERALLY BEEN THE CALM FOR OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM IN THE MIDDLE OF MANY STORMS, BOTH IN 2017.

DURING HIS FIRST YEAR WITH THE CITY, HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING THE HURRICANE HARVEY DALLAS MEGA SHELTER OPERATIONS, WHICH HOUSED NEARLY 5000 EVACUEES.

AND IN 2019, JOHN WAS ON THE FRONT LINE WHEN THE EF THREE TORNADO TORE A 15 MILE PATH THROUGHOUT THE HEART OF DALLAS.

JOHN WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL IN OUR COVID 19 RESPONSE, IMPLEMENTING COVID 19 TESTING AND VACCINATION CENTERS ACROSS THE CITY.

JOHN IS A CREDENTIAL MANAGER THROUGH THE INTERNATIONAL CITY MANAGER ASSOCIATION.

AND SO.

WE KNOW THAT, AUSTIN.

IS GETTING A VERY SPECIAL INDIVIDUAL, AND I CAN TELL YOU HE'S READY FOR THE CHALLENGE.

JOHN, AS YOU START YOUR NEXT CHAPTER IN YOUR LIFE, I WISH YOU AND KAREN ALL THE VERY BEST.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME, I PASS OUT THESE LITTLE CARDS TO OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM TO REMIND THEM OF IMPORTANT THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO.

AND YOU EITHER GET A BLUE CARD OR A PINK CARD, BUT I WON'T TELL YOU WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE CARDS.

BUT TODAY, JOHN, YOU GET YOUR LAST BLUE CARD FROM ME, AND WHAT IT SAYS IS, JOHN, DON'T FORGET TO CELEBRATE YOURSELF.

YOUR TRANSITIONS.

EVENTS. MOMENTS.

BIG OR SMALL.

BE PROUD OF YOU.

WATER YOU AND ENJOY.

YOU LOVE KIM.

AT THIS TIME, PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING JOHN FORTUNE ON THE NEXT CHAPTER OF HIS PROFESSIONAL CAREER.

JOHN, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE OPTION OF SPEAKING BEFORE EVERYONE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY OR AFTER YOU'VE HEARD WHAT EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO SAY, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T EXPECT ANYBODY TO HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING, SO I'LL GO.

WELL, THEY THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO.

AND I DO TOO.

WELL, WHY DON'T I GO AT THE END, MAYOR? YOU WANT TO GO AT THE END? YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. I'LL BE SUPER BRIEF THEN, SO WE CAN GET TO YOU.

BUT I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU.

I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT KIM JUST SAID ABOUT THE JOB YOU DID.

I THINK THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

PUBLIC SAFETY IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK WHEN PEOPLE LOOK BACK ON THIS CHAPTER DALLAS HISTORY, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK ON THAT VERY FAVORABLY AND SAY, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD TIME IN DALLAS HISTORY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND OBVIOUSLY YOU HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THAT.

AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THE JOB YOU DID.

KIM'S ALREADY BEEN THERE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, BROTHER TO BROTHER, FRIEND TO FRIEND IS ALWAYS BEEN A CALMING EXPERIENCE WHEN THINGS ARE TENSE AROUND HERE AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH TOUGH TIMES AS IT RELATES TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

WHEN YOU WALK IN THE ROOM BECAUSE YOU ARE NEVER PANICKED, YOU'RE NEVER ANGRY.

I HAVE NOT SEEN YOU UPSET OR ANGRY.

THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, YOU'VE.

NO MATTER WHERE WE ENDED UP ON AN ISSUE, WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, YOUR DEMEANOR WAS ALWAYS THE SAME.

YOU. YOU WERE ALWAYS A VERY PROFESSIONAL AND RESPECTFUL PERSON, A HUMBLE PERSON, A HARD WORKING PERSON.

RELIABLE, DEPENDABLE.

JUST. YOU'RE A GREAT PUBLIC SERVANT.

I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD EVER CHANGE THE WAY YOU GO ABOUT DOING YOUR BUSINESS.

NO MATTER WHAT TITLE YOU HAVE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU ULTIMATELY DECIDE TO DO WITH YOUR CAREER, STAY LIKE KIM KIND OF SAID, STAY JOHN FORTUNE, MAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE A GOOD DUDE. AND I REALLY ENJOYED THE TIME I SPENT WORKING WITH YOU.

AND I DON'T SAY THAT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I DON'T ALWAYS ENJOY WORKING WITH FOLKS.

BUT I DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE PROFESSIONALS.

THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A PROFESSIONAL.

YOU DON'T GET YOU DON'T NOT DO THE JOB BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE SOMEONE PERSONALLY.

THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A PRO.

OTHERWISE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FRIENDS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE ARE COLLEAGUES.

THIS IS WORK. BUT MORE THAN JUST THE WORK AND THE PROFESSIONAL ASPECT OF IT, YOU'RE A GOOD DUDE AND YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN STAND UP AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I'M GOING TO MISS YOU A LOT.

SO GODSPEED TO YOU, BROTHER.

AND AND GOOD LUCK.

I SAW PAUL BLACKMON FIRST.

SO, MISS BLACKMON WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE CLOCK, BUT WE DO WANT WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM JOHN, SO.

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AND, YES, I STILL HOPE THEY LOST YOUR FURNITURE.

BUT I CAN SAY FOR THE LAST, WHAT, THREE YEARS THAT YOU'VE.

WE'VE SAT OVER HERE WE'VE ENJOYED THOSE, THESE MEETINGS.

AND I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT SAME TYPE OF OUTLOOK AND PERSONAL TOUCH AND WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY TO AUSTIN.

AND I KNOW YOU WILL.

AND I DO WISH YOU GOOD LUCK AND BEST WISHES TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

THANKS FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ.

THANK, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND JOHN, MAN IS, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I, WE'VE WE'VE JUST YOU'VE JUST BEEN SO AMAZING.

AND LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ALWAYS SO CALM AND AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN I'M PANICKING AND TRYING TO GET YOU ALL RILED UP BECAUSE I'M GOOD AT DOING THAT WITH MOST FOLKS. NOT YOU.

AND I GOT YOU A LITTLE TENSE A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT YOU STILL DIDN'T.

YOU STILL DIDN'T BREAK BEING THAT CALM SELF, WHICH ALSO IS CALMING FOR ME.

I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, IT'S LIKE I NEED THAT IN MY LIFE BECAUSE I'M VERY LIKE YOU KNOW, I GET EXCITED.

I'M EXCITABLE AND PASSIONATE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ENERGY EXCITEMENT.

AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE, YOU HANDLE EVERYTHING SO WELL.

YOU'RE LIKE, LET'S GET THIS, LET'S GET THAT.

AND IT'S LIKE. AND I JUST APPRECIATE THAT EVEN WHEN WE COULDN'T GET TO.

YES, YOU STILL TRIED, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT WAS YOU KNOW, MY FIRE STATION ON CHUCK HILL, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M.

I AIN'T GOING TO HOLD THAT AGAINST YOU.

I'M JUST. I'M JUST PLAYING.

IT'S BUT BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I'M GOING TO GO OFF OF WHAT PAULA SAID.

I DO HOPE IF YOU HAVE A FULL LENGTH MIRROR, YOU KNOW, THAT I CAN HANG ON MY WALL.

AND IT COULD FALL OFF YOUR TRUCK.

YOUR MOVING TRUCK? PLEASE DO, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR ONE, AND I HAVEN'T FOUND IT YET, SO I'M JUST.

IF THAT HAPPENS, JUST LET ME KNOW.

AND. BUT, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU.

BECAUSE YOU DID HOLD TOGETHER A LOT OF THINGS WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE IN 17 THROUGH THE PENSION ISSUE.

THEN I KNOW WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, BUT BUT BACK THEN, YOU MADE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO OUTSIDE OF MEET AND CONFER ON YOU GUYS AND DID RAISES FOR THE ROOKIE COPS, AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WHATEVER IT WAS, OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, I MEAN, YOU ALWAYS PICK UP THE PHONE, YOU ALWAYS RESPOND BACK.

AND I'VE HAD I'VE HAD SOME REALLY TENSE WEEKS AND MONTHS HERE AS FAR AS EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

AND I THINK THE FIRST TIME WAS THAT GAS.

EXPLOSION, AND WE WERE AT WALNUT HILL REC.

AND I'LL NEVER FORGET BECAUSE I WAS FREAKING OUT.

PEOPLE HAD BEEN AT THE REC CENTER LIKE 8 OR 9 HOURS TRYING TO WAIT FOR THESE CHECKS THAT WERE COMING, AND THERE WAS NO FOOD IN THE IN THE VENDING MACHINES.

IT WASN'T OUR THING. IT WAS THE, THE ATMOS COMPANY.

AND AND I'M SITTING THERE GOING, PEOPLE HAVEN'T EATEN.

WE HAVE SENIOR CITIZENS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO STAND FOR LIKE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT HOURS AND PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN GO TO THE BATHROOM.

YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ALL THESE THINGS THAT WENT WRONG AND YOU JUST TURN AROUND AND YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, LET ME GET ON IT.

BOOM. THERE WAS FOOD DELIVERED WITHIN AN HOUR, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS LIKE, THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT TO DO, AND HE'S GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE ALWAYS.

AND YOU HAVE NOT CHANGED ONE BIT.

IF IT WERE UP TO ME, I WOULD HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, TO THAT CITY DOWN THERE AND THAT DUDE DOWN THERE THAT'S IN CHARGE, I WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE, TURN BACK AND GO HOME.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT WAS, I GUESS, CHIEF OF POLICE OR YOU AND YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO STAY, BUT IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE DOWN THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING DOWN TO AUSTIN QUITE A BIT FOR THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

SO EXPECT I'M SURE EXPECT SEVERAL LATE NIGHT EVENINGS OR DINNERS OR COCKTAILS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

CONGRATULATIONS. AND JUST KEEP, KEEP TAKING CARE OF YOU THE WAY YOU DO, KEEP BEING YOU AND KEEP TAKING CARE OF THAT BEAUTIFUL FAMILY OF YOURS.

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM THAT I'VE MET OR TALKED TO ARE JUST ALL AMAZING.

THEY'RE JUST LIKE, YOU CAN TELL THAT THE APPLES DON'T FALL VERY FAR FROM THE TREE IN YOUR FAMILY.

THANK YOU. JOHN CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JOHN, I I WILL JUST SAY THAT I'VE HAD SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO SAY BYE TO FOLKS WHO HAVE GIVEN A LOT TO OUR CITY, AND VERY FEW, I THINK, ARE GOING TO HIT ME THE WAY THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE SEEING YOU GO.

YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO OUR CITY HAS BEEN SECOND TO NONE.

AND YOUR LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM AND YOUR LEADERSHIP IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONTAGIOUS.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE HOPED TO HAVE GROWN PROFESSIONALLY BECAUSE OF HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU.

I ALWAYS ENJOY YOUR GQ SWAG THAT YOU'VE GOT.

I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT AND NEEDS TO BE NOTED.

YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING GOOD.

BUT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE I THINK THAT WHEN IT COMES TO ATTRIBUTES IN LEADERSHIP SEEING THE MORALE UNDERNEATH YOU IS THE TRUE TESTAMENT TO YOU AS A LEADER AND THAT HAS SO MANY LAYERS WITH WHAT YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE WITH AND THAT MORALE HAS BEEN VERY CONSISTENT.

I THINK WE OFTEN SPEAK ABOUT THOSE WHO ARE MUCH MORE IN A FRONT FACING ROLE AND THE ROLE THAT THEY PLAY IN THAT MORALE.

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BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY HIGHER UP AND YOU'RE IN THE BACKGROUND AND I WOULD CONSIDER YOU TO BE NOTHING SHORT THAN AN UNSUNG HERO OF OUR CITY FOR MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD TO WORK THROUGH, BUT ALSO JUST TO KEEP US GOING EVERY DAY.

AND SO THERE'S A HUGE VOID TO BE FILLED, SORRY, CITY MANAGER, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.

BUT I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER FOR YOU.

AND, KAREN FOR Y'ALL'S NEXT CHAPTER.

AND, YES, I WILL BE SEEING YOU OFTEN DOWN THERE, BUT JUST THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE GIVEN.

THANK YOU FOR MAINTAINING A STANDARD OF PROFESSIONALISM AND REALLY RAISING THE BAR FOR FOR WHAT? THAT LEVEL OF EXCELLENCE IN OUR CITY HAS BEEN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, CHAIRMAN GRACIE.

I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU I REMEMBER THE TIME YOU ASKED ME FOR LUNCH.

ASKED ME TO LUNCH. NOT FOR LUNCH, BUT ASKED ME TO LUNCH.

YOU ASKED ME TO LUNCH? WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED, AND I.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS WEIRD INITIALLY.

LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU BE WANTING TO MEET WITH ME? I'M NOT EVEN A PART OF YOUR YOUR PORTFOLIO, BUT.

BUT WHAT I PICKED UP THAT DAY IS WHAT I'VE SEEN CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT YOUR TIME HERE AT THE CITY, AND THAT IS WHO YOU REPRESENT. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING WHO YOU REPRESENT TO WORK WITH YOU EVERY DAY.

AND THAT LEADERSHIP THAT EVERYBODY IS REFERRING TO IS WHO YOU'RE REPRESENTING.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING CHRIST TO WORK WITH YOU AND REPRESENTING THEIR.

THANK YOU FOR HOW YOU'VE SERVED THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENTED AS WELL.

YOU'VE DONE THAT WITH THAT SAME DEMEANOR AND THAT SAME CONSISTENCY FROM THERE.

SO THAT WILL BE MISSED AND THAT LEVEL OF CALM AND THAT LEVEL OF PEACE AND THAT SMILE AND THE THE WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT.

WE CAN FIND A RESOLUTION WILL BE MISSED.

BUT THANK YOU FOR HOW YOU'VE REPRESENTED FROM THE DAY THAT YOU WALKED THROUGH THIS DOOR.

AND IT WILL BE MISSED VERY MUCH.

TAKE CARE. CHAIRMAN WEST.

THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO SECOND WITH ALL MY COLLEAGUES, SAID JOHN.

YOU WERE MY LIAISON WHEN WE FIRST STARTED ON MY FIRST TERM IN 2019 AND HELPED ME NAVIGATE VERY DIFFICULT POLITICAL WATERS DURING THE EARLY DAYS OF COVID.

THE PROTESTS THAT WE HAD HERE AND YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND LEADERSHIP WAS WAS VERY HELPFUL TO ME PERSONALLY.

I'LL JUST I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT BECAUSE I THINK MY COLLEAGUES DID A GREAT JOB REFERENCING ALL YOUR GREAT QUALITIES.

BUT AUSTIN IS VERY LUCKY TO HAVE YOU AND AND YOUR LOVELY WIFE GO DOWN THERE AND AND WE'LL MISS YOU HERE IN DALLAS.

MAYOR PRO TEM.

BUT, JOHN, I'M GOING TO MISS YOU FOR HOME, FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

AND YOUR FAMILY.

YOUR FAMILY AND ALSO YOUR SON.

I WILL MISS HIM ALSO, BUT HE'S STILL BEEN PLAYING OVER JOHN.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE.

NUMBER ONE. YOU ALWAYS COME WITH SOMEONE, CALL YOU, AND WE NEED HELP.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE RIGHT CARE.

ESPECIALLY WITH THE EXPLOSION THAT IS STILL VILLAGE DEPARTMENT HAVING HIS APARTMENT AND EVERYTHING.

BUT YOU SHOW SOMETHING THAT THAT'S SOME PEOPLE DO NOT SHOW YOU CARE ABOUT THE CITY.

BUT NUMBER ONE, YOU CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE, BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR YOU, THE FIRE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU FOR THAT, BUT ALSO YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOU GUYS STRONG LEADERSHIP.

AND I RESPECT YOU AND THANK FOR ALL THE HELP YOU HELP ME TO KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT BEFORE I SAID SOMETHING, HE SAID, NO, THEY WON'T GET YOU INTO TROUBLE.

THAT COME I GOTTA CONTROL AND AND ALSO WANT TO PUT ANOTHER POINT THAT WITH THE PENSION RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE LEADERSHIP AND FOR ALL THE KNOWLEDGE AND FOR ALL THE INFORMATION YOU GAVE ME TO HELP ME NAVIGATE THIS PENSION WITH THE UNIFORM.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL NEVER FORGET FOR WHAT YOU DONE GAVE TO ME AND THAT KNOWLEDGE, I WILL NOT HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE.

IF YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE SAT DOWN AND TALKED TO ME AND SAID, LOOK AT BOTH SIDES, WE CAN GET THROUGH IT.

I WISH HE WAS HERE WHEN WE FINISHED, BUT SINCE YOU DIDN'T, WE'RE BEING AWESOME.

I CAN SEE YOU AND HOPE WE WILL FINISH THAT CHAPTER IN OUR LIFE.

BUT AGAIN, GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND AND AND BE SAFE.

CHAIRMAN STEWART. THIS IS A HARD ONE, JOHN.

I CAME TO YOU AS A EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF I KNOW THE UPTOWN PET AND MAYBE EVEN THE LAKE HIGHLANDS PET.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS WOULD HAVE PROBABLY POURED MY HEART OUT TO YOU WITH THIS VERY WHAT APPEARED TO ME AS A VERY CONFUSING DETAILED SITUATION THAT I HAD NO IDEA HOW TO SOLVE.

AND I ALWAYS WALKED AWAY WITH, OH MY GOODNESS, WE'VE GOT A PROCESS, YOU'VE GOT A PLAN.

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AND IT WAS IT'S JUST SO REASSURING THAT THE CITY HAD ALL OF THESE RESOURCES THAT COULD BE HELPFUL AND THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET ME CONNECTED WITH THEM, AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE SO, SO HELPFUL.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY TRUE TO WHO YOU ARE, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE SAME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN I'VE CALLED YOU WITH SITUATIONS THAT WERE FRAUGHT WITH SOME CONFLICT AND COMPLICATIONS, YOU JUST LISTENED.

YOU'RE A GOOD LISTENER AND KIND OF LET ME GET IT ALL OUT THERE AND THEN JUST STARTED TAKING IT APART AND PUTTING IT IN BUCKETS AND AND HELPING ME FIGURE IT OUT.

AND OF COURSE, YOU WERE ALSO MY LIAISON, SO I'M GOING TO MISS YOU.

I REGRET TELLING YOU HOW GREAT AUSTIN WAS OVER LUNCH THE OTHER DAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I SAID THAT.

I AS SOON AS THE WORDS CAME OUT OF MY MOUTH.

IT'S TOTALLY THE REASON, RIGHT? BECAUSE I TOLD YOU HOW GREAT AUSTIN WAS.

BUT ANYWAY, YOU WILL BE VERY, VERY MISSED.

AND AND THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME HOW TO BE A PUBLIC SERVANT.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU.

TODAY, MR. FORD AND CITY MANAGER, YOU KIND OF CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO THIS TO US TODAY.

SO IT'S BEEN VERY REWARDING.

OF COURSE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE LONG WINDED MR. FORTUNE, BUT I WILL SAY THIS LET ME MAKE SURE I READ MY SCRIPT.

WHAT I'VE DECIDED THAT I'M GOING TO SAY, NUMBER ONE, THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU'RE A GOOD MAN.

I WATCHED YOU DURING ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES, AND I DO KNOW THAT NOT ONLY ARE YOU A GOOD MAN, BUT YOU'RE VERY LOYAL AND YOU'RE A TEAM PLAYER.

AND THAT WAS VERY KEY IN THAT ONE INCIDENT THAT I SAW.

BECAUSE AS PEOPLE TRIED TO BREAK YOU, THEY COULDN'T DO IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY I ASKED YOU IF YOU WERE IN THE MILITARY BECAUSE OF THIS SWAG THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS DEMEANOR.

I'M LIKE, HE'S ALWAYS COOL, YOU KNOW, GQ COOL.

AND I THINK THAT MEANT A LOT TO ME BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO BREAK YOU, YOU HAVE TO KNOW IN YOUR MIND WHAT YOU STAND FOR. AND I COULD TELL IT.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT DURING THAT TIME WHEN FOLKS WERE TRYING TO UNDERMINE, CUT YOU AND GET YOU TO STAB PEOPLE IN THE BACK AND ALL THAT AND SELL OUT, YOU DIDN'T DO IT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WANT TO SAY THIS.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE YOU.

AUSTIN WILL BE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE YOU.

I EVEN TRIED TO BRING YOU A FORTUNE COOKIE AND IT CRUMBLED IN MY PURSE, BUT I'M STILL GOING TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT EVIDENTLY YOU MUST DISCUSS ME WITH MRS. FORTUNE, BECAUSE I WAS SO APPRECIATIVE WHEN YOU GAVE ME THE PEN THAT SAID STAY WOKE, AND I COULDN'T FIND IT TO PUT ON THE THREE DIFFERENT OUTFITS I PUT ON THIS MORNING TO HAVE IT. BUT THAT MEANT A LOT TO ME.

AND SO, MR. FORTUNE, I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY WOKE, STAY WOKE, STAY FOCUSED.

ALWAYS BE A BLESSING.

BUT BE TRUE TO YOU, WHO YOU ARE.

AND IF SOME OF YOU HAVE HAVE STATED HE'S ALWAYS COOL, CALM AND COLLECTED AND NO MATTER WHAT.

AND HE'S ALWAYS APOLOGETIC.

MR. FORTUNE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CALL YOU ON YOUR VACATION.

OH, NO PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, HE'S REAL COOL.

BUT ONE TIME.

AND SINCE. SINCE THE ELDER HERE.

AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET YOU OFF THE HOOK.

MR. MORENO TALKING ABOUT THE OLD PEOPLE.

SENIOR PEOPLE.

WHEN YOU JUST TOLD MR..

I JUST HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS TALK ABOUT ONE EVENT, AND I'M GOING TO BE REAL QUICK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE'S ALWAYS COOL.

SO I SAID, MR. FORTUNE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A SITUATION HERE IN THE DISTRICT WITH WHAT I CALL A SLUM.

HE WAS A SLUM LORD, YOU KNOW, HE'S A SLUM LORD.

DIDN'T WANT DIDN'T WANT THE ATTORNEYS TO KNOW ME, TO KNOW WHO HE REALLY WAS OR SHE WAS.

AND I SAID, I'VE GOT TO TALK TO HIM.

MR. FORTUNE, I DON'T NEED TO TALK TO THE MANAGER.

I NEED TO TALK TO THE OWNER.

DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU TOLD ME, MISS ARNOLD? YOU CAN'T TALK TO HIM BECAUSE YOU MAY TELL HIM OFF.

AND I SAID, MR..

MR. FORTUNE, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT TELLING FOLKS OFF? HE SAID HE SOUNDED LIKE HE'D BEEN IN DISTRICT FOUR TELLING PEOPLE OFF, SO HE KIND OF SCARED ME.

SO I SAID, OKAY, MR. VAJGL, I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT YOU SAID.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR ME TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EQUITY AND YOU'LL CATCH THAT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO AUSTIN.

BUT KNOW THIS, I KNOW I'M GOING TO I'M JUST GOING TO LET YOU KNOW YOU'RE YOU I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE FOLKS THAT I KNOW IN AUSTIN WHO ARE ACTIVE, ESPECIALLY FROM A COMMUNITY LEVEL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY LOOK OUT FOR YOU AND SUPPORT YOU.

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THEY ARE ACTIVE AND VOCAL.

BUT FOR THE FOLKS THAT I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH WHO ARE WRITING ME AND TALKING ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'RE HAVING NOW, AND THEY'RE EXCITED, BUT AS THEY SAY ON TELEVISION, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO KNOW PEOPLE, BUT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHATEVER I CAN DO, I'M GOING TO ALWAYS BE THERE TO SUPPORT YOU.

SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR BEING A BLESSING TO US.

AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE HAD YOU AND AUSTIN WILL HAVE THAT SAME FORTUNE AS WELL.

AND DON'T FORGET THE FORTUNE COOKIE.

THANK YOU. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? EVERY TIME YOU COME UP WITH A RHYME OR A FORTUNE COOKIE? WOW. BUT, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR HOWEVER LONG.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WELL, I WON'T REPEAT WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY SAID, BUT I CONCUR WITH THEIR COMMENTS.

EXCEPT PERHAPS THE ONE ABOUT STAYING WOKE, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER KNOWN WHAT THAT MEANS.

BUT I DID WANT TO ADD, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU, JOHN, AND I WISH YOU THE BEST OF SUCCESS IN YOUR FUTURE CAREER ENDEAVORS.

CHAIRMAN MORENO YOU RECOGNIZED FOR HOWEVER LONG.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

JOHN, I THANK ALL MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID THE HIGHLIGHTED WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP DURING DIFFICULT TIMES IN TURMOIL IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

YOUR PROFESSIONALISM SHOWS YOU'VE GAINED THE RESPECT FROM MYSELF, MY COLLEAGUES, AND AND YOUR COLLEAGUES AS WELL.

I APPRECIATE YOUR DEMEANOR OF BEING CALM DURING CRISES AND DIFFICULT TIMES.

AND I BELIEVE DALLAS IS A SAFER PLACE BECAUSE OF YOU.

AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

THANK YOU. I JUST FORGOT TO SAY ONE THING.

I JUST FORGOT TO SAY ONE THING.

I HOPE THAT WE STAY IN TOUCH.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR NUMBER POP UP ON MY PHONE AND MY HEART NOT DROPPING BECAUSE YOU YOU, UNFORTUNATELY, WERE THE ONE THAT DELIVERED A LOT OF BAD NEWS AT ANY HOUR OF THE DAY.

AND AND THAT IS ONE THING THAT I ALWAYS HAD TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH BEFORE I ANSWER.

WHEN I SAW THAT IT WAS YOUR NAME BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS TO COME.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATIONS BEING MUCH MORE CASUAL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I SEE CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ IS ON THE PHONE.

DID YOU HAVE ANY? I DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYBODY WHO'S REMOTE.

AND I SEE MISS WILLIS, TOO.

SO CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ, I GUESS YOU CAN GO FIRST IF YOU'RE READY.

THANK YOU, SIR, I CAN.

WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU, THOUGH.

OH. WELL LET ME TRY.

IS THAT BETTER? A LITTLE BIT, BUT GO AHEAD.

WE'LL BE REAL QUIET.

OKAY, I'LL BE QUIET.

I MEAN, I'LL BE LOUD.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT AGAIN LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT IT. JOHN.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING THE CONSULATE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL.

YOU ARE THE REASON THAT I TOTALLY SUPPORT CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

IT'S IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY OF BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU THROUGH THIS SYSTEM.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING THE GOOD MAN THAT YOU ARE.

AND I DO HOPE THAT WE STAY IN TOUCH AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU, MISS WILLIS.

THANK YOU. WELL, I REALLY LOVED WHAT ONE COLLEAGUE SAID ABOUT, I THINK DALLAS IS A SAFER CITY BECAUSE OF YOUR LEADERSHIP, MR. FORTUNE. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE PILOTED AND EXPANDED THAT'S BENEFITED ALL RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY.

CALM IS A WORD THAT SEEMS TO BE COMING UP A WHOLE LOT, AND I DEFINITELY WOULD ECHO THAT, ALTHOUGH I THINK I SAW IT GET A LITTLE THIN WITH ME ON SHORT TERM RENTALS A TIME OR TWO, BUT OVERALL, I THINK IT'S JUST BEEN.

I ALWAYS THINK OF YOU AS JUST A PLEASANT PERSON TO BE AROUND.

YOU BRING IT NOT ONLY JUST WITH YOU, BUT INTO THE ROOM, INTO THE HORSESHOE.

SO IT'S TREMENDOUSLY APPRECIATED AND IT'S REALLY BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU.

SO I HOPE YOU REALLY ENJOY AUSTIN.

BUT THAT 35 RUNS BOTH WAYS AND IT GOES NORTHBOUND TOO.

AND YOU KNOW, DALLAS WILL STILL BE HERE IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK.

ANYWAY, GOOD LUCK TO YOU, MR. RESENDEZ. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JOHN, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE THE CITY OF DALLAS WITH YOU.

AND I WISH YOU THE BEST IN AUSTIN.

YOU'RE A ROCK STAR. AUSTIN IS HAPPY.

LUCKY TO HAVE YOU. AND YOU WILL DEFINITELY BE MISSED.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THE MAN OF THE HOUR.

MR. FORTUNE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

WELL, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE KIND WORDS AND THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE ABOUT ME.

I WILL TELL YOU, IT IS KIND OF SHOCKING TO HEAR SO MANY COMMENTS ABOUT CALMNESS AND AND, YOU KNOW, BEING AT EASE DURING CERTAIN MOMENTS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S REALLY ONLY BECAUSE OF THIS WOMAN RIGHT OVER HERE.

BECAUSE AT NIGHT WHEN I WOULD GO HOME, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT WAY.

AND. I LOVE YOU.

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AND I WOULD ALSO WANTED TO SAY I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS.

KAREN GONZALES HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING ASSISTANTS THAT I'VE EVER HAD IN MY CAREER, AND I WANTED TO THANK HER.

AND OF COURSE, KIM DIDN'T SAY THIS.

I REALLY EXPECTED HER TO SAY THIS.

I'M ONLY IN DALLAS BECAUSE OF KIM.

KIM. AND OUR CONNECTION WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN ME EVEN OPENING MY MIND TO COMING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I SPENT 25 YEARS IN AN ORGANIZATION WHERE I WAS DIRECTIONLESS.

I LOST MY WAY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME, ARE YOU GOING TO BE A CITY MANAGER? WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO BE A CITY MANAGER? WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING BIG IN YOUR LIFE? AND I DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THEM.

AND KIM CAME TO ME WITH TK, AND THEY TALKED TO ME ABOUT A VISION, ABOUT SERVING PEOPLE, ABOUT HAVING EMPATHY AND ABOUT MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT BOX CHECK THAT PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK ME ABOUT.

IT WENT AWAY. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

AND I WANT TO SAY THIS TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS WHO ARE IN THE IN THE CHAMBERS TODAY.

NEVER FORGET ABOUT THE PEOPLE WE SERVE.

THIS IS ABOUT EMPATHY.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING A CHANGE IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE.

IT'S NOT ABOUT BOXES TO CHECK.

I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO CONTINUE TO LIVE YOUR LIFE THAT WAY.

AND SO IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING THAT I CAN TAKE AWAY FROM THIS IS THAT DALLAS SAVED ME AND HAS GIVEN ME A CHANCE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT.

WOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN THE DOUBLE STANDING OVATION AND TEARS ALL AROUND THE HORSESHOE BEFORE.

IT SAYS A LOT. IT SAYS A LOT.

ALL RIGHT. MADAM SECRETARY AND MADAM INTERIM CITY MANAGER.

LET'S GET RE SORT OF REFOCUSED ON WHERE WE ARE.

WE WERE ON THE FOURTH BULLET POINT ON THE LIST OF COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I WAS GOING TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN WEST FOR A MOTION ON THAT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. IT'S A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW WITH RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

WITH RANKED RANKED CHOICE VOTING, THE RANKED CHOICE I MOVED TO ADD A PROVISION TO THE CHARTER, TRIGGERING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF RANKED CHOICE VOTING IN MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS.

ONCE THE STATE LAW IS AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR RANKED CHOICE VOTING, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THE DISCUSSION ON THIS? YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I WON'T GO INTO A DIATRIBE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS TO SIT HERE FOR 30 MINUTES ON. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES IS I'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF YOU ON, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL THAT THE A LOT OF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF RANKED CHOICE VOTING IF IT WAS ALREADY ALLOWED AT THE STATE.

AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND JUST KIND OF LIKE A FEEL FOR THAT.

AND I'M HAPPY TO USE MY TIME FOR QUESTIONS, BUT I'D RATHER WAIT.

AND IF FOLKS HAVE A FEELING ON IT, I REALLY JUST WANT TO SEE WHERE FOLKS ARE AT ON THIS WITHOUT HAMMERING HOME THE POINT ON WHY I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY.

SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE, I UNDERSTAND.

ARE YOU ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE OPEN TO QUESTIONS NOW FROM MEMBERS, OR ARE YOU WANTING OUR ESTEEMED PANEL TO SAY SOMETHING HERE? THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, MAYOR.

I AM GOING TO BE DONE WITH THIS FIVE MINUTES, AND I'LL WAIT TILL THE NEXT ROUND AS I LET MY COLLEAGUES CHIME IN.

CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WILL JUST SAY THAT I, AS SOMEBODY WHO I BELIEVE IF RANKED CHOICE VOTING WAS IMPLEMENTED, WOULD HAVE AVOIDED A RUN OFF MYSELF. I DO SEE THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTE VALUE BEYOND JUST THE MONEY SAVINGS OF OF AN ADDITIONAL ELECTION WITH RUNOFFS.

BUT PROMOTING MORE PARTICIPATION IN THE VOTING PROCESS IS THE FIRST AND FOREMOST.

AND WE SEE THE DROP OFF THAT HAPPENS WITH THE RUNOFF.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE COST I SEE SOME VALUE.

HOWEVER, I ALSO JUST AS WAS MENTIONED WHEN WHEN TALKING TO MR. FORTUNE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOWN IN AUSTIN QUITE A BIT.

AND I ALREADY KNOW WHERE THE RELATIONSHIP STANDS BETWEEN THE CITY OF DALLAS OR ANY OF THE MAJOR CITIES AND THE LEGISLATURE FOR THAT MATTER.

ON POLICY PRIORITIES.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE BEST APPROACH FOR US AS A CITY TO START THE SESSION TELLING THEM WE'VE TAKEN ACTION, THAT WE NEED THEM TO TAKE ACTION FOR.

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AND I, FOR THAT REASON, CANNOT SUPPORT THIS.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT SUPPORTING THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MERIT OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DEBATING.

BUT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE TRIGGER LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY.

WE NEED TO GO DOWN AND LOBBY OUR DELEGATION.

WE NEED TO GET THEM TO MAKE THE CHANGES NECESSARY SO THAT THEN WE CAN GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VOTERS TO CHANGE IT HERE, ASKING THE VOTERS TO APPROVE SOMETHING PREMATURELY WITHOUT HAVING THE ASSURANCE OF OUR DELEGATION OR THE LEGISLATURE AS A WHOLE, TO ME, IS JUST KIND OF PLAYING WITH THE BEEHIVE.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD DO IT.

WE DON'T GAIN ANYTHING FROM DOING IT.

AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THIS LEGISLATURE MEETS EVERY OTHER YEAR.

THEY'RE THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO MEET STARTING THIS NEXT JANUARY.

THAT GIVES US THE CAPABILITY OF TABLING THIS ITEM AND ANY OTHER ITEM DURING THIS DISCUSSION SO THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHAT AMENDMENTS WE CAN PICK BACK UP AND DO IT IN THE RIGHT ORDER.

SO ONCE WE DO HAVE LEGISLATION PASSED, INSTEAD OF DOING IT CONTINGENT ON TRIGGER LANGUAGE, WE CAN DO IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN DONE AT THE STATE AND WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY AS A CITY TO DO IT.

AND THEN WE'RE ASKING THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY VALID.

AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM.

AND IT'S VERY CONFUSING.

AND IF THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO MAKE THE VOTING PROCESS MORE STREAMLINED AND LESS CONFUSING, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS ACCOMPLISHES IT AT THIS CURRENT TIME.

SO FOR THAT REASON, MR. MAYOR, I WILL BE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MERIT OR EVEN THE CONVERSATION OF OF RANKED CHOICE VOTING BEING A BETTER SYSTEM THAN THE RUNOFF SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE NOW.

I JUST BELIEVE THAT THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT, AND WE HAVE SOME WORK AHEAD OF US WITH THE LEGISLATURE IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS A FEASIBLE OPTION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AND I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUE PUTTING FORWARD A CHARTER AMENDMENT.

I KNOW THIS IS ONE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ME INCLUDED.

AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH MY COLLEAGUES SITTING NEXT TO ME THAT HAD RANKED CHOICE VOTING BEEN THE WAY, YOU KNOW IN MY 2017 RUN, I WOULD HAVE AVOIDED A RUNOFF, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT.

THAT'S NOT THE LAW. THAT WASN'T THE RULES.

THAT WASN'T HOW WE PLAYED THEN.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

IT IS. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE STATE LAW IS ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW, THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT TO BE ELECTED INTO PUBLIC OFFICE, YOU HAVE TO BE ELECTED BY A MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH WOULD THEN PRECLUDE RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

OKAY. AND IS THERE A BAN ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING BY THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT AT ALL OR.

I KNOW THAT AUSTIN PUT RANKED CHOICE VOTING IN THEIR CHARTER RECENTLY, BUT CAN A CITY DO IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS? OR IS THIS, I MEAN, BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS WHAT YOU SAID.

RIGHT. THE THE LAW SAYING WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT PUBLIC OFFICIALS BEING ELECTED BY A MAJORITY VOTE IS EFFECTIVELY A BAN ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

VERY GOOD. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH THIS, MR. MAYOR, IS AM I IN THE PAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, WE HAVE WITNESSED WHAT TRIGGERED LAW.

LANGUAGE DOES.

AND IT'S NOT FAIR.

IT'S NOT RIGHT.

AND I DON'T WANT TO BE IN MY SIDE OF WHERE I BELIEVE IN ISSUES AND THEN SIT THERE AND FORCE SOMETHING UPON.

A CITY OF DALLAS IN THE FUTURE.

IT COULD BE FIVE.

IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE THIS YEAR.

WE DON'T KNOW. IT COULD BE THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE LEGISLATORS GO, YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO THIS RANKED CHOICE VOTING THING.

BOOM. IT'S DONE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

IT COULD BE 25, 40, 50, 70 YEARS FROM NOW.

IT COULD BE NEVER BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO VOTE SOME NEW FORM OF TECHNOLOGY.

MR. MAIER I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT I SAW HAPPEN WAS WHEN THESE TRIGGER LAWS WENT INTO EFFECT, NOT JUST IN TEXAS, BUT ACROSS THIS ENTIRE UNITED STATES, THAT I GOT TO SEE THINGS HAPPEN TO PEOPLE THAT WENT BACK TO A TIME WHEN THEY WEREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO VOTE, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST CAN'T DO THAT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE ON MYSELF, BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE IT FOR ME AND THE PEOPLE THAT I LOVE AND THE PEOPLE THAT NEEDED THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO HAPPEN FOR THEM.

SO I DON'T WANT TO DO I DON'T WANT TO BE A PERSON WHO DOES THAT TO THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK THAT IF THE PEOPLE IN DALLAS REALLY, REALLY WANTED IT THEY'D BE GOING DOWN TO AUSTIN, THEY'D BE SCREAMING AND YELLING AND MAKING IT HAPPEN.

AND I DON'T LIKE IT.

I DON'T LIKE DOING IT THIS WAY, MR. MAYOR. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT, AND I JUST DON'T I IF I DON'T LIKE IT, FOR ONE, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO LIKE IT FOR ANOTHER, AND I DON'T I DON'T DO THINGS THAT WAY, WHICH IS

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I DO WANT RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

TRUST ME, I DO FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S LISTENING OUT THERE BECAUSE I'M SURE I'M ABOUT TO GET, YOU KNOW, INUNDATED WITH THE WITH THE, THE BEAUTIFUL SWEET MAIL.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY EMAIL WAS JUST FULL PLASTERED WITH FOLKS THAT WERE AGAINST OR DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK? WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS.

WHAT WHAT WHAT AM I RANKING? I MEAN, EVEN SOME PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT ARE VERY, VERY INTO VOTING LIKE THIS IS JUST THE OTHER DAY, A REALLY GREAT FRIEND OF MINE AND I GET STUCK.

LUCKILY I GOT STUCK AT HER HOUSE. I STARTED STORMING REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BAD AND I WAS REALLY CLOSE AND SHE LET ME STAY AT HER HOUSE FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND SHE SHE GOES, WHAT'S THIS RANKED CHOICE VOTING? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW DOES IT WORK? AND I WAS LIKE, TRY TO EXPLAIN IT.

AND SHE'S LIKE, SHE GOES, I GUESS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU PROBABLY REALLY USE MORE ALIGNED WITH ME ON A LOT OF ISSUES.

AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF EDUCATION TO DO THIS.

AND WE HAVE STATES THAT HAVE DONE IT.

WE HAVE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES.

I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA. I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.

I DO KNOW I SUPPORT IT, BUT I GET IT, I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING MORE VOTERS OUT EARLIER, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THIS. AND SO IT'S LIKE YOU'RE GONNA ASK THEM TO DO ONE THING WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED YET.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO DO THIS RANKED CHOICE VOTING THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN DO.

SO IT'S LIKE PRE. SO I FOR THAT I'M JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT.

AND I WISH THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD MORE TIME WITH THIS OR I'D RATHER GET IT RIGHT.

AND LET'S GET THE LAW CHANGED DOWN IN AUSTIN.

THAT WAY WE CAN DO IT IN A FUTURE.

WANTS TO GET IT DONE? THEN LET'S GET IT DONE. BUT WE'RE NOT READY AND WE'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO AS A CITY.

AND WE KNOW HOW.

AUSTIN I MEAN, AUSTIN IS DOWN THERE IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE COLLEAGUES AND MISTER MAYOR.

IT'S LIKE, AND WE DON'T NEED THEM COMING AFTER US.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ON ENOUGH DEFENSE IN THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE I DON'T WANT TO THROW ANY MEAT TO THAT STARVING, HUNGRY LION THAT'S DOWN THERE IN AUSTIN THAT LOVES TO TAKE BITES OUT OF MAJOR CITIES.

SO FOR THAT, I'M STANDING I'M GOING TO STAND IN OPPOSITION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DISTANCE MYSELF FROM SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.

STARVING. HUNGRY LION.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? WOW. THAT'S.

ALL RIGHT. MY PHONE'S ABOUT TO BE LIT UP.

MISS BLACKMON. FIVE MINUTES ON THE STARVING, HUNGRY LION.

OKAY, SO IT'S EFFECTIVELY A BAN ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE I GUESS WE DID THIS IN SORORITY DAYS.

YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF RANK YOUR FOLKS.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, IF IT'S ILLEGAL AND YOU ADD THIS TO YOUR CHARTER, IT IT DOES KICK IN UPON PAST.

WHAT IF THERE ARE LIKE CAVEATS IN THERE LANGUAGE? WOULD WE THEN HAVE TO OPEN UP OUR CHARTER AND MAKE IT, I GUESS, LEGAL, IF YOU WILL? IF THE VOTERS CHOSE TO ADD RANKED CHOICE VOTING TO OUR CHARTER, THEY COULD ONLY DO IT WITH A TRIGGER CLAUSE.

SO THAT CLAUSE WOULD EFFECTIVELY SAY THAT ONCE THE STATE LAW CHANGES IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS RANKED CHOICE VOTING IN TEXAS, THEN IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BE IMPLEMENTED HERE.

BUT BUT I GUESS THE IT'S GOT TO BE A CERTAIN WAY.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT VERY PRESCRIPTIVE ON HOW THAT LAW HAS TO BE PASSED IN AUSTIN? NO. OKAY.

JUST BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SAY RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS GOOD WITHOUT ANY CAVEATS? OH, IN AUSTIN, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS HOW NARROW IS THIS COMPARED TO WHAT OTHERS HAVE? BECAUSE I GUESS THERE ARE SOME OTHER CITIES THAT DO HAVE IT.

IS IT MIRRORED THAT? AND WHAT WILL HAVE TO BE CHANGED IN AUSTIN TO ALLOW FOR THIS? AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS, IS THIS EVEN ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA IN ITS DRAFT FORM? THE THIS IS WILLOW SANCHEZ, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THE WAY THE AUSTIN ORDINANCE READ IS THAT IT SAID THE SECTION ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING WOULD BE OPERATIVE PROVIDED IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE STATE CONSTITUTION OR STATE LAWS.

SO IF THERE WERE SOME CAVEATS OR SOME NUANCES THAT HAD NOT BEEN ANTICIPATED BY AUSTIN WHEN THEY DRAFTED THEIR ORDINANCE, IF IT CONFLICTED, IT STILL WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE.

IT BEING RANKED CHOICE VOTING IN AUSTIN WOULD STILL NOT BE OPERATIVE IF IT CONFLICTED WITH, HOWEVER, THE STATE LAW CHANGED.

SO IT'S NOT A SURE, IT'S NOT A SLAM DUNK JUST WITH THIS LANGUAGE.

IT HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT IN CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW.

OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND OPEN IT UP AGAIN.

OKAY. IS THIS EVEN IN OUR DRAFT FORM, IN OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA? HAS ANYBODY BROUGHT THIS UP IN OUR.

I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO LOBBY FOR IT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN ON OUR DRAFT TO LOBBY FOR?

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DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER? WHO'S OVER THE STATE? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT ON ANY OF THE MEMOS THAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEES.

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO LOBBY ON A TRIGGER LAW WHEN IT'S RIGHT NOW? NOT EVEN IN OUR DRAFT FORM? WELL, I THINK EVERYONE'S REEVALUATING WHAT THEY WANT AT COMMITTEE THIS MONTH ON WHAT THEY WANT FOR STATE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM.

SO I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO ADD THAT.

OR YOU COULD ADD IT FROM THE FLOOR.

OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY AROUND HERE HAS EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS LEGISLATIVE STUFF FOR SIX, EIGHT MONTHS NOW.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS IF THIS BODY.

CARRIE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? YES. CARRIE ROGERS, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS DIRECTOR.

WHEN WE RECEIVED LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES BACK IN DECEMBER, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS A PLACEHOLDER FOR ANY LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT MAY COME AS A RESULT OF THE CHARTER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT WASN'T SPECIFIC TO RANKED CHOICE VOTING, BUT WAS A GENERAL PLACEHOLDER SPACE HOLDER OR SPOT HOLDER? YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE I GUESS IF NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IT, THEN WHY WOULD WE ADOPT A TRIGGER IN OUR CHARTER IF WE'RE NOT AT ACTIVELY SAYING WE NEED TO GO CHANGE THIS? THAT'S JUST MY THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH POLITICAL CAPITAL ONE CAN EXPEND.

AND IS THIS THE ONE WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN? AND IS THIS THE SESSION? WE'RE GOING TO DO IT WITH THIS GROUP BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AS MUCH.

SO I'M, I DO IN THEORY LIKE THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE TIMING IS RIGHT.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY CHANGE THE LAW AND THEN PUT IT FORTH.

I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK A TRIGGER IS A GOOD PRACTICE IN MY OPINION.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN GRACEY, THANK YOU.

JAKE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. SIR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I FEEL LIKE YOU'D BE WAITING TO WAIT TILL YOU GET GOING.

GOOD. IN FIVE MINUTES.

ANYWAY WILL YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH, LIKE, BECAUSE I TRIED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS, AND I REALLY WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT POSITION I TAKE ON THIS FROM THERE. BUT WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING, I COULDN'T FIND A LOT OF PROS AND CONS, AND I ACTUALLY DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH TO TRY TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS MOVING TO THIS FORMAT, DOES THIS IMPACT MINORITY COMMUNITIES MORE THAN NON MINORITY COMMUNITIES OR VICE VERSA? AND I REALLY TRIED TO FIND THE PROS AND CONS.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT'S REALLY ALL KIND OF TOO NEW BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WOULD SAY IMPACT.

SO I WANT TO START THERE AND JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT RESEARCH PROS AND CONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN DOING THIS OR MAY HAVE COME UP DURING THE DISCUSSION.

SURE. LET ME START BY JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED.

YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT THEY CAN GIVE GOOD INSIGHT.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY HAD A PRETTY ROBUST CONVERSATION AROUND THIS TOPIC.

I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER DE LA FUENTE PRESENTED TO HIS COLLEAGUES I BELIEVE, MULTIPLE TIMES ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

AND IN DOING SO, THERE WAS A LOT OF, OF DISCUSSION THAT CAME AFTERWARDS.

I THINK THAT WHAT WE SAW WAS CERTAINLY SOME HESITATION AROUND THE TRIGGER CLAUSE.

BUT THEN ALSO HESITATION ABOUT HOW HOW DIFFICULT IT MIGHT BE TO CHANGE A CHANGE HOW YOU VOTE IF YOU IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND YOU'VE BEEN VOTING THE SAME WAY FOR 20, 40, 60 YEARS AND YOU SHOW UP SOMETIME DOWN THE LINE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S CHANGED, YOU KNOW, IN 2036 OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFICULT LIFT.

PEOPLE MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THEY VOTED FOR THIS BACK IN 2024 OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND SO THERE WAS SOME, SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

HOWEVER WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUES OF EQUITY, WHICH I THINK YOU, YOU MADE REFERENCE TO THERE'S NOT A TON OF DATA OUT THERE YET.

RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS A RELATIVELY NEW CONCEPT OR NEW NEW WAY OF VOTING THAT'S BEING USED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

WE DON'T SEE FROM FROM WHAT THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE, WE DON'T SEE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, HOW BLACK AND LATINO VOTERS ARE VOTING AND WHITE VOTERS. BUT AGAIN, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE SEE NO DISCREPANCY.

BUT AGAIN, THIS THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW THING, AND I THINK A LOT OF STUDIES STILL BEING DONE ON HOW IT'S AFFECTING DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCIES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SURE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. I THINK THEY'VE THEY'VE MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY KIND OF REFERENCED THIS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TIMING OF IT IS JUST REALLY PREMATURE, I THINK, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

ONE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESEARCH TO REALLY KNOW WHAT THIS IS, WHAT IMPACT, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AGAIN, HAVING I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONLY ONE THAT WENT THROUGH A RUNOFF IN THIS LAST CYCLE.

FROM THERE, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE HAVING RANKED CHOICE VOTING, BUT THAT'S IN THE RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT I JUST

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AND IN THIS. TIME WHERE EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS BEING CHALLENGED.

THE QUESTION OF WHERE TO VOTE, WHEN TO VOTE CAN I VOTE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS? BRINGING THIS INTO THAT MIX ONLY CONFUSES MATTERS PREMATURELY.

SO FOR THAT REASON, I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.

I DO THINK THAT THIS ADDS TO THE COMPLEXITY OF OUR VOTER BASE AS IT IS, AND NOT KNOWING WHAT OUR STATE IS GOING TO APPROVE AND HOW IT'S GOING TO READ.

I THINK WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE ON THIS ONE.

AND SO THEREFORE I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.

BEFORE I GO BACK TO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

ANYONE ELSE FOR A FIRST TIME? CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA THREE MINUTES.

GO, GO! SORRY, MISS WILLIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

YEAH. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID REGARDING UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE SOME BENEFITS TO RANKED CHOICE VOTING, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS THE FACT THAT OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE SERVING OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY OFTENTIMES CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN RUNOFFS, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT THE TURNAROUND TIME FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO I THINK THAT IS A BIPARTISAN ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP THIS PLAY IN AUSTIN.

AND THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS, TOO.

I WAS AT THE STRAUSS INSTITUTE IN AUSTIN WHERE THEY THEY DID AN EXERCISE THAT I'D LOVE TO DO WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SHOW HOW IT CAN CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF AN ELECTION AND HAVE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF REPRESENTATION.

AND SO, MR. GRACEY, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU AND I COULD TALK ABOUT, AND I COULD SHARE HOW THAT WORKED.

BUT I AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT FORCING A HAND AND NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT MIGHT PASS IN AUSTIN, AND HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE WAY OUR CHARTER LANGUAGE IS WORDED, IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HEAVILY CONSIDER.

ALSO, THE CONFUSION AROUND THE FACT THAT IT'S IT MAY PASS, BUT THAT IT'S NOT ENACTED UNTIL AUSTIN DELIVERS ON.

THAT IS JUST A POINT OF CONFUSION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO INTRODUCE RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WHENEVER IT PASSES THAT WE SHOULD BE READY AS A COUNCIL NOW OR IN THE FUTURE TO TO BE READY TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT AT THIS POINT.

I THINK EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE QUEUE NOW, I THINK IS, WELL, MISS BLACKMON, YOU DID, YOU DID.

SO, CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE THE TIMING DEBATE AND AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT JUST THIS JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE TRIGGER THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

THE TIMING IS NOT ON OUR SIDE.

IF WE KNOW THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS TO TAKE ACTION, AND THAT POTENTIAL ACTION WOULD NOT BE SIGNED INTO LAW UNTIL THE END OF NEXT SUMMER, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE, AS OF NOW, WITH NO CHANGES TO OUR CHARTER OUR NEXT MUNICIPAL ELECTION NEXT MAY.

I THINK THAT THAT'S ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR.

WE ARE ASKING VOTERS, THE AVERAGE VOTER, ESPECIALLY IN A MUCH LARGER TURNOUT IN NOVEMBER, TO APPROVE RANKED CHOICE VOTING, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THEM TO COME BACK OUT NEXT MAY AND VOTE FOR US.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE WONDERING WHY THEIR BALLOT IS NOT REFLECTING RANKED CHOICE VOTING THAT THEY JUST VOTED ON SEVERAL MONTHS PRIOR.

AND I THINK THAT THAT TIMING PIECE IS CRITICAL TO EVEN OUR INABILITY TO EDUCATE CONSTITUENTS ON WHAT THIS WOULD DO.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE THEM DOING THAT, HOPEFULLY US SUCCESSFULLY LOBBYING SIMULTANEOUSLY TO THE LEGISLATURE.

HOPEFULLY THE GOVERNOR SIGNS IT IN AT THE END OF THE OF THE SUMMER, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE PLAYING BACKWARDS AND THEN TRYING TO NOW SHORE UP WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE REALLY CONFUSING FOR VOTERS.

AND SO, AGAIN, JUST AS FAR AS THE SPIRIT OF OF OF INCREASING OUR VOTER TURNOUT IS TO MAKE THIS PROCESS LESS ONEROUS, TO MAKE IT LESS CONFUSING ON THE VOTER.

AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT TAKING THIS ACTION, IT DESPITE THE INTENT WILL DO JUST THAT.

IT WILL MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED.

IT WILL MAKE IT MORE ONEROUS ON THE VOTER ITSELF.

SO AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIMING AND THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT THAT I HAVE FOR THAT REASON.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE IN FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK THANK YOU.

AND I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AS WELL.

AND WOULD WILL BE OFFERING AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION IF WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING OF THIS, BUT JUST ALONG THE LINES OF EDUCATION OF ITSELF, YOU KNOW IT.

THIS IS A LONG CYCLE.

THOSE OF US IN EDUCATION, WE UNDERSTAND YOU JUST CAN'T IMPLEMENT THIS STRATEGY RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE CYCLE, BUT ALSO JUST KEEPING IN MIND AND JUST TO KIND OF DEFER TO A STATEMENT MADE EARLIER THAT I, YOU

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AND SO YOU JUST CAN'T SPRING THIS ON THEM WHEN THEY'VE ACCUSTOMED TO VOTING A CERTAIN WAY.

SO I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE I SPOKE OUT FOR THOSE SEASONED, MORE EXPERIENCED VOTERS WHO ARE ACCUSTOMED TO A CERTAIN WAY OF VOTING.

AND SO THIS RANKED VOTING.

AS I STATED EARLIER IN MY COMMENTS EARLIER IN THE MONTH, IT IS RANK AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION OR YES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR TIME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DO IT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

AT THIS TIME, WELL, JUST A COMMENT.

I UNDERSTAND MY COLLEAGUES CONCERNS.

I KIND OF LET OFF WITH THAT BECAUSE I FELT THE TEMPERATURE IN THE ROOM OF OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRIGGER VOTING CLAUSE, BUT I WANTED TO I SPECIFICALLY ASKED, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO SPOKE UP, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHERE WHAT YOU FELT ABOUT RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

I HEARD AT LEAST FIVE OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT WERE INTERESTED IN PURSUING IT.

IF THERE WASN'T A TRIGGER CLAUSE INVOLVED.

THEREFORE, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THIS ITEM IN THE GFM COMMITTEE AS PART OF OUR LEGISLATIVE DISCUSSION FOR THE STATE.

AND I WILL AT THIS TIME WITHDRAW MY MOTION IN SUPPORT OF ADDING THIS AS A BALLOT MEASURE.

THE BODY HAS TO AGREE TO THAT.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE MOTION HEARING? NONE SO ORDERED.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU, MAYOR JOHNSON, I MOVE.

THIS IS ITEM FOUR ON THAT SUMMARY LIST.

I MOVE IN RELATION TO IT.

I MOVED TO STRIKE THE AMENDMENT THAT ADDS A PROVISION TRIGGERING RANKED CHOICE VOTING IN MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS, IN CHAPTER FOUR ELECTIONS AND REFERENDUMS. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM? NO, SIR.

I THINK WE ARE CLEAR IN DISCUSSION.

IF YOU KEEP GOING. NO, SIR.

THANK YOU SIR. YEAH, I REALLY HAVE TO STOP.

UNLESS YOU REALLY DO WANT TO. YOU CAN, YOU CAN? NO, SIR. THANK YOU.

UNLESS I NEED TO. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. ANY ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT. SHOW THE CARDS.

IT'S A IT'S A MOTION TO STRIKE.

CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR.

STEWART. BAZALDUA NARVAEZ ARNOLD.

ATKINS RESENDEZ BLACKMON GRACIE.

MORENO STEWART.

SCHULTZ AND WILLIS.

THE AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD.

NO, THE AMENDMENT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD.

I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE JUST DID.

THAT NUMBER, BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR IS NOT MOVING FORWARD.

MR. WEST, ARE YOU HANDLING FIVE AND SIX? OKAY. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

CAN I GET A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? SURE, PLEASE. IF WE'VE TAKEN UP A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT AND HAVE HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH NO ACTION, WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO STRIKE IT DOWN? YOU CAN ASK THE PARLIAMENTARIAN THAT QUESTION.

SO LAST SESSION WHEN WE DID ALL OF THIS, YOU DIDN'T TAKE SOMETHING UP IF YOU WANTED IT TO MOVE FORWARD.

THIS TIME YOU GUYS HAVE FLIPPED IT.

AND SO IT'S JUST A MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S STRICKEN.

YEAH. YES.

HOPEFULLY THAT MADE SENSE.

I'M JUST GOING TO BUY INTO IT.

JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, AND I'M SORRY I WAS RUNNING MY MOUTH.

MY QUESTION IS COUNCIL MEMBER WEST MADE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW TO TAKE IT BACK TO COMMITTEE, BUT THEN WE JUST VOTED.

NOT REALLY. NO, HE'S JUST GIVING US A LITTLE EXTRA INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN HIS COMMITTEE.

THE MOTION WAS ACTUALLY JUST TO WITHDRAW HIS HIS BULLET POINT NUMBER FOUR.

RIGHT. OKAY.

THAT WAS REALLY ALL THE MOTION DID.

THE REST OF IT WAS JUST COMMENTARY ABOUT WHAT HE'D LIKE TO DO, WHICH IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT AT ALL TO TODAY'S.

YEAH. HE JUST WANTS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AS PART OF HIS LEGISLATIVE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY'RE HAVING AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU'RE RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MR. WEST. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. FOR BULLET FIVE.

MOVE TO ADD EXTENSION OF THE DEADLINE.

PETITIONERS MUST MEET TO COLLECT THE REQUIRED SIGNATURES ON A PETITION FROM 60 DAYS TO 120 DAYS AS A CHARTER PROVISION.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? SECOND? CAN I CLARIFY, MAYOR? YEAH, WE'VE GOT TO GET THEM BOTH APPROVED FIRST AND THEN WE WILL MY THE COMBINATION.

WOULD THAT BE A PARLIAMENTARIAN WHO'S ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON IT? HE'S JUST GAVE YOU THE THUMBS UP.

YOU'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION, CHAIRMAN WEST? NO. ANY DISCUSSION ANYBODY? WOW. OKAY. GREEN CARDS IF YOU WANT THAT TO MOVE FORWARD.

CARTS RAISED IN FAVOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART RIDLEY BAZALDUA NARVAEZ ARNOLD ATKINS, RESENDEZ WEST, BLACKMON GRACIE,

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THIS AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD.

MR. MAYOR, MR. WEST, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

I MOVE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES REQUIRED ON A PETITION IN SUPPORT OF HOLDING A REFERENDUM AS A CHARTER AMENDMENT.

IS THERE A SECOND? NO.

SECOND. MOVED IN. SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? CHAIRMAN, WEST END DISCUSSION.

ANYONE. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL SEE THE CARDS FOR SUPPORT.

IF YOU SUPPORT THAT.

LET'S SEE A GREEN CARD.

CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR.

STEWART RIDLEY BAZALDUA NARVAEZ ARNOLD ATKINS, RESENDEZ WEST, BLACKMON GRACIE, MORENO SCHULTZ AND WILLIS.

THIS AMENDMENT ALSO MOVES FORWARD.

MR. MAYOR. WONDERFUL.

YOU WANT TO KEEP THE STREAK GOING? YOU'RE THE CHAIR OF GBFM WHO WANTS TO DO COMMUNITY BOND COMMISSION.

NOT ME. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.

ANYBODY INTERESTED IN THAT? I'M. YES, CHAIRMAN.

OKAY. OH, MISTER WHO? I CHAIRMAN BASIL DULY RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO STRIKE.

ESTABLISHING A COMMUNITY BOND.

WHOA WHOA WHOA. HOLD ON. WE'RE DEVIATING FROM THE PROCESS HERE.

JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

SURE. THAT'S COOL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW IT'S.

I KNOW YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S DESIRABLE.

FROM A TIME WHEN THESE WERE RECOMMENDED FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND I WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT WE COULDN'T STRIKE THEM IF THEY WERE FROM AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER WITHOUT THEM HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.

SO SINCE THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT AS A RECOMMENDATION, I FEEL THAT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO STRIKE.

GOT IT? GO FOR IT.

THANK YOU. I HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

IF. WELL, IT NEEDS TO BE SECONDED.

NEEDS TO BE SECONDED SECOND.

OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.

YEAH. FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND.

I THIS IS IS ONE THAT I JUST FEEL I THE ARGUMENT THAT I BELIEVE THIS OR THE REASONING THAT I BELIEVE CAME UP DURING THE COMMISSION FOR THIS SPECIFICALLY WAS THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF COMPLIANCE WITH TOMA, I GUESS WAS THE THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED.

HOWEVER, IT BEING RECOGNIZED IN THE CHARTER DOES NOT DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING TO THAT REASONING.

IN FACT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE CHARTER AND NOT EVERY OTHER BOARD OR COMMISSION.

AND SO IN ORDER TO AGAIN BE CONSCIOUS OF THE FATIGUE AND KNOWING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT THE CHARTER, I AM ASKING FOR THIS TO BE STRUCK, BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS ACCOMPLISHING WHAT IT ITS INTENT AND HOW IT WAS ARTICULATED DURING THE CHARTER COMMISSION PROCESS.

THE WE HAVE WE HAD A BOND TASK FORCE, FOR INSTANCE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OTHER DIFFERENT TASK FORCES OR COMMISSIONS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE THAT THE BOND COMMISSION, I MEAN, WE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOND TASK FORCE DID NOT HAVE ALL OF THEIR MEETINGS BROADCASTED AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, ALTHOUGH THEY WERE THE RECORDINGS.

CAN YOU CAN YOU CLARIFY? THEIR RECORDINGS WERE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY JUST WEREN'T DONE LIVE.

WHAT WAS THE ISSUE THERE? I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SUBCOMMITTEES WERE NOT ALL TELEVISED, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THAT.

IF I CAN THROW IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WHO WORKED ON THE BOND COMMISSION IS HERE.

WHILE WE'RE GETTING THAT, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS ARE OBSERVED IN OUR CHARTER? LAURA MORRISON CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE BOARDS AND THE CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE CREATED BY THE CHARTER ARE THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, THE PARK BOARD, AND THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

OKAY. AND SO IS THERE IT.

WAS THERE ANY REASONS ARTICULATED DURING THIS PROCESS ON WHY THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN DOING THE SAME EXERCISE FOR ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE CHARTER? THAT DIDN'T COME UP AT THE COMMISSION.

OKAY. I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING IS THAT IT DIDN'T COME UP.

BUT TO ME, THAT THAT MAKES IT MAKE LESS SENSE, YOU KNOW? AND SO IF WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY OR SHORE UP ANY LANGUAGE THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, I WOULD, I WOULD I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE DONE HOLISTICALLY FOR ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IF NEEDED.

SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING REALLY THE SIGNIFICANCE OF PUTTING THIS INTO THE CHARTER, WHY IT WOULD BE NEEDED OR NOT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? WELL, I WILL SAY THAT OUR, OUR CHARTER CREATES THOSE FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CITY OF THE CITY'S OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE CREATED BY ORDINANCE.

SO THEY'RE FOUND IN OUR CITY CODE.

MOST OF THEM. WELL, A LOT OF THEM ARE FOUND IN CHAPTER TWO, BUT SOME OTHERS ARE FOUND THROUGHOUT THE CITY CODE.

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SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S CREATED.

SO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CAN BE CREATED BY CHARTER OR BY ORDINANCE.

MAYOR, MAY I ADDRESS CHAIR WEST? YES. IT'S UP TO HIM IF TO RESPOND, BUT.

YEAH. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'D CONSIDER TAKING UP AS A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE TO BE ADOPTED FROM THE COUNCIL THROUGH YOUR COMMITTEE, SO THAT WE CAN VET WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? I THINK THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.

IT WAS CRITICAL IN OUR BOND PROCESS IN THIS PAST TIME.

I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS NEEDED FOR THE CHARTER.

YES. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

YES. I SUPPORT THIS MOTION FOR A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT REASON.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS BRIEFINGS THAT WE HAVE 18 INDIVIDUAL CHARTER AMENDMENTS, AND THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THAT WOULD CONFUSE A LOT OF VOTERS, PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GETTING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE LIST, ETC..

I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT IS DEFINITELY DISPENSABLE.

I THINK I CAN SPECULATE THAT THE COMMITTEE ADOPTED THIS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY MECHANISM THEY HAD TO ADVOCATE FOR A BOND COMMISSION.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL US WE WANT AN ORDINANCE CREATING A BOND COMMISSION.

SO THEY DID WHAT THEY COULD DO.

AND I THINK THE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED.

I THINK THE IDEA OF A COMMISSION MAY HAVE MERIT.

I THINK THAT WE SHOULD REFER IT TO THE GBFM COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THAT.

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO ADD THIS TO OUR CHARTER REVIEW.

WITH THE BENEFIT OF PARING DOWN THE NUMBER OF DECISIONS THAT OUR VOTERS HAVE TO MAKE.

THANK YOU, MISS BLACKMON.

YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

YES, I AGREE, THANK YOU.

THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT THERE.

CHAIRWOMAN STEWART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES, SO THE PRESSURE IS ON FOR ME TO SAY, YEAH, THAT'S THE WAY YOU DO IT.

WELL, BASICALLY, YES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT BY ORDINANCE, WE NEED TO BE BOUND BY IT.

SO SORRY, THAT WAS JUST A TAD BIT LONGER, BUT OKAY.

WE'RE GOOD. SO AWESOME.

CHAIR MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.

I THINK THAT THIS IS A CRITICAL BOARDING COMMISSION.

AND JUST LIKE REDISTRICTING, IT'S.

I KNOW IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S A STANDING THAT MEETS ANNUALLY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S EVERY TEN YEARS.

AND I JUST FEEL THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH TODAY.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES WHAT THEY SAID.

BUT I DO HAVE MORE TO SAY.

SO BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS I'M ALSO PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT WAS JUST MENTIONED IS THIS IS ALSO FOR BOND.

IT'S OPERATIONAL. AND SO IT REALLY BELONGS IN AN ORDINANCE.

IT BELONGS WITHIN INSIDE OF OF THE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CHARTER MANDATES, BUT LEAVE THE CHARTER, THE CHARTER, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE ALREADY FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS BELONG THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE GLOBAL THERE.

THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT COULD GO DOWN INSIDE OF A REGULAR ORDINANCE LIKE WE DO OTHER COMMISSIONS, SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS AN OPERATIONAL TASK THAT HAPPENS ONCE EVERY, YOU KNOW, 5 TO 7 YEARS, DEPENDING ON WHAT IS NECESSARY.

SO I WHAT THEY SAID AND THEN FOR THOSE OTHER REASONS AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. AND I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS ITEM.

BUT IN LOOKING AT THE MEAT OF THE PRESENTATION AS OFFERED BY THE CHARTER COMMISSION, ONCE YOU START TO READ AND YOU AND YOU SEE THE PROCESS OF THE MAYOR DESIGNATING THE CHAIR SUBJECT TO THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PERSONS APPOINTED TO THE BOARD MUST BE REGISTERED TO VOTE AND MEET QUALIFICATIONS FOR SERVICE ON THE CITY COMMISSION, BECAUSE WE HAVE OFFERED DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS HERE, YOU MAY END UP WITH SOME CONFLICT.

FOR EXAMPLE, AS WE TALKED THIS MORNING ABOUT THE WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND AUTHORIZED VOTERS AND ALL THAT, YOU MAY END UP WITH A CONFLICT ANYWAY IF YOU HAD SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT. SO I BELIEVE IT SHOULD NOT BE ADDED TO THE CHARTER AS YOU STATED, IT IS OPERATIONAL.

AND I BELIEVE ALSO WHAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN IS A COUNCIL IS THAT WE END UP APPOINTING.

COMMISSIONERS WHO END UP GIVING US DIRECTIVES.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE KEEP PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, SO WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GOING IN CONFLICT OF WHERE WE ARE AS A COUNCIL.

I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE THE POLICY MAKERS, AND AS WE MOVE THE CITY FORWARD, WE SHOULDN'T SPEND TIME BICKERING WITH THE SAME WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WE APPOINTED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN IN A NUMBER OF THOSE SITUATIONS.

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SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MR. MORENO. THANK YOU, I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT.

NOT LETTING IT SLIDE, NOT LETTING IT GO.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THIS MOTION ON ITEM SEVEN? ALL RIGHT. OH, CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK THAT THE SCOPE BE OPEN.

I'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS THAT I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

I THINK MR. MORENO MADE A GOOD POINT THAT IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS BEING HALF BAKED SINCE TO THE VOTERS.

AND SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY AND WE HAVE ONGOING BOND PROJECTS BETWEEN EACH BOND.

I THINK THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE WEIGH IN FROM OUR APPOINTEES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

AND LOOKING AT METRICS.

THIS IS, TO ME MUCH MORE OF A POLICY CONVERSATION FROM FROM US AS, AS THE BODY ON HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT THIS TO LOOK.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT ONLY HAS TO BE HOW WE'VE SEEN IT COME UP, YOU KNOW, SPORADICALLY.

AND I AND I THINK THAT, AS MISS STEWART MENTIONED, LIKE, THE PROCESS DOES NEED TO BE ROBUST WITH COMMUNITY INPUT.

AND OTHER THAN JUST THE VOTERS GOING TO THE BALLOT BOX ON DECIDED LANGUAGE, IT'S NOT VERY INCLUSIVE OF A PROCESS TO GET THEM TO COME WEIGH IN TO HOW THAT LOOKS CRAFTED.

SO I JUST ASK THAT IT'S OPEN.

SINCE WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE AND GIVES US THE ABILITY TO REALLY CRAFT SOMETHING THAT IS INTENTIONAL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MISS WILLIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF THIS GOING TO GBFM TO EXPLORE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT A POSTMORTEM HAS REALLY BEEN DONE AFTER WE GET OUT OF A BOND PROGRAM.

I THINK WE TEND TO JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT PROJECTS ARE BEING TEED UP, ETC., VERSUS A LOOK BACK ON THE PROCESS.

AND THERE WERE INCONSISTENT OBJECTIVES AND SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SUBCOMMITTEES AND THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF THE COMMITTEE.

SO I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS GOING TO GBFM AND TAKING SHAPE IN ORDINANCE FORM.

AND I BELIEVE THE MOTION WAS TO STRIKE THIS.

AM I IS THAT WHERE WE ARE? YES. THE ANSWER IS YES.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

AND I SUPPORT STRIKING IT.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE THE CARDS.

AND THIS IS A FAVOR OF STRIKING IT.

CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER. WILLIS.

STEWART. RIDLEY.

BAZALDUA ARNOLD.

ATKINS RESENDEZ WEST, BLACKMON NARVAEZ, GRACIE, MORENO AND SCHULTZ.

WITH MAJORITY CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR OF COUNCIL MEMBER.

OH. I'M SORRY. LET ME MAKE IT.

OKAY. YES, I'VE NOTED THAT, MR. MAYOR, BUT MAJORITY OF THE CARDS WERE RAISED IN FAVOR OF BAZALDUA MOTION.

OKAY, SO THAT WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD.

THAT WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD.

EVERYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN MAKING A MOTION FOR THIS? THE LAST BULLET POINT ON THE SUMMER OF COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE.

YEAH, IT'S THE LAST BULLET POINT.

CHAPTER 24, SECTION 17 B IS WHAT IT AMENDS.

MR. RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR PROMOTION.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL'S APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO BE REPLACED BY CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE COMPLETION OF THE MEMBERS TERM.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED. AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION, CHAIRMAN RIDLEY? JUST THAT I THINK THIS FIVE MINUTES.

GO AHEAD. OKAY. I THINK THIS GIVES THE COUNCIL THE FLEXIBILITY TO ASSESS UNDERPERFORMING BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS AND REPLACING THEM WITH PEOPLE WHO THEY BELIEVE, WHO WE BELIEVE WILL BE UP TO THE TASK WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT TWO YEARS FOR THE EXPIRATION OF THAT TERM.

SO I, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT OPERATIONAL FLEXIBILITY ISSUE.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR AGAINST THE MOTION? SEEING NONE. LET'S SEE THE CARDS.

MADAM SECRETARY. GO AHEAD.

CARS RAISED IN FAVOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ.

WILLIS. STEWART.

RIDLEY. BAZALDUA.

NARVAEZ. ARNOLD.

ATKINS. RESENDEZ.

WEST. BLACKMON.

GRACIE. MORENO.

WITH MAJORITY OF THE CARS RAISED IN FAVOR, THE AMENDMENTS MOVE FOR THE AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD, MR. MAYOR. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NOW WE WE'VE DEALT WITH ALL THE CHARTER COMMISSION RECOMMENDED AMENDED AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAD LEFT TO DEAL WITH.

SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THIS, THIS BAD BOY NOW THIS BIG.

YEAH. THE BIG I KNOW IS THAT LETTER IS THAT LEGAL SIZE PAPER.

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OKAY. THIS IS THE ONE READY TO ENTERTAIN THE MOTIONS.

AND I THINK WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM IN ORDER.

RIGHT. JUST NUMERIC ORDER.

SO THAT'S MR. RIDLEY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WITH REGARD TO THE FIRST, I WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT IN DEFERENCE TO A SIMILAR AMENDMENT THAT HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD BY COUNCILMAN WEST AS NUMBER SEVEN.

SO YOU'RE WITHDRAWING NUMBER ONE? YES. OKAY. I MEAN, MEANING IT'S NOT EVEN BEING INTRODUCED.

REALLY? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS ALSO YOURS.

THERE IS I MOVE THAT THE LANGUAGE OF CHAPTER 15, SECTION THREE, WITH REGARD TO APPOINTMENT OF THE CHAIR OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S INTERPRETATION OF SOMEWHAT VAGUE AND CONFUSING LANGUAGE.

IT CURRENTLY. WELL, THAT'S MY MOTION.

SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES, MR. RIDLEY.

THANK YOU. THE LANGUAGE CURRENTLY PROVIDES THAT THE MAYOR SHALL DESIGNATE.

I'M SORRY. IT CURRENTLY PROVIDES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL DESIGNATE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION. HOWEVER, THAT HAS BEEN INTERPRETED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT THE MAYOR APPOINTS AND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE NOMINATION, AND THAT HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF A LEGAL OPINION BY THE CITY ATTORNEY MANY YEARS AGO.

BUT I THINK EVERYONE WHO READS THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME IS CONFUSED ABOUT WHO REALLY HAS THAT RIGHT OF APPOINTMENT, SINCE WE HAVE ALWAYS PRACTICED THE MAYOR APPOINTING THIS CHAIR AS THE OTHER COMMISSION CHAIRS, I PROPOSE THAT THE LANGUAGE REFLECT THAT ACTUAL PRACTICE, THAT THE MAYOR SHALL DESIGNATE ONE MEMBER AS CHAIR, SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION BY A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

OH, I WAS ALREADY MOVED TO SECOND.

THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION.

ANY OTHER CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ABSOLUTELY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MR. RIDLEY AND I KIND OF WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, WHAT? LIKE, WAIT, WE WE APPOINT, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS LIKE.

AND THEN YOU KNOW CITY ATTORNEY PALOMINO SAID, WELL, BUT THE PRACTICE IS THIS.

AND SO THE INTERPRETATION IS THAT THIS IS THE SAME THING.

AND SO WHICH IS FINE.

AND SO THIS CLEAN UP, THIS IS MORE LIKE CLEAN UP LANGUAGE, IN MY OPINION, JUST TO MATCH THAT LANGUAGE.

AND THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY, FOR GETTING US WHAT WHAT COULD BE DONE.

AND THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY, FOR LEADING ON THIS, BECAUSE IT WAS SO WE JUST DON'T WANT CONFUSION FOR US AND OUR FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR.

IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD, MISS PALOMINO.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

I DO WANT TO ADD THAT AFTER SECTION 15 CHAPTER 15, SECTION THREE WAS ADDED IN 73.

THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT CHAPTER THAT ADDRESSED ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND GAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO THE MAYOR.

AND SO IT BECAME THE CONFLICT.

AND SO BECAUSE IT'S THE LATER THAT WAS ACTUALLY PASSED BY THE VOTERS, WE HAVE HARMONIZED THEM.

AND REALLY, THAT IS A WE APPRECIATE THE CLEAN UP AND IT WILL REMOVE THE CONFUSION.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

SO I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THAT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR THIS CHAPTER 15 IS TRACKING THE LANGUAGE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CHARTER WITH REGARD TO OTHER BOARDS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE VERY NEXT CHAPTER, 16, THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, IT STATES THE MAYOR SHALL DESIGNATE ONE MEMBER AS CHAIR, SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION BY A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO THIS SIMPLY HARMONIZES THE PLAN COMMISSION WITH THE OTHER BOARDS THAT ARE IN THE CHARTER.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION? AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO IN THE BIG PACKET.

ALL RIGHT. SIGNIFY YOUR SUPPORT BY SHOWING A GREEN CARD.

CARTS RAISED IN FAVOR.

SCHULTZ, WILLIS, STEWART.

RIDLEY, BAZALDUA, NARVAEZ, ARNOLD, ATKINS, RESENDEZ, WEST, BLACKMON AND GRACIE.

WITH MAJORITY CARTS RAISED IN FAVOR, THIS AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD.

WONDERFUL. OKAY, NEXT IN ORDER WOULD BE THESE MENDELSOHN AMENDMENTS.

THREE FOUR.

AND I'LL JUST SAY THREE, FOUR, FIVE.

I GUESS SHE HAS TEN.

SHE HAVE TEN, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, TEN.

WE WON'T BE TAKING UP TODAY.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO SKIP THEM.

SO WE ARE NOW ON MR. WEST AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

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ONLY IF ONE CITY COUNCIL TERMS REMAIN AT TWO YEARS, AND THERE HAS BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO STATE LAW ALLOWING THE CITY TO MOVE THE ELECTION DATE OR TWO IF COUNCIL TERMS ARE EXTENDED TO FOUR YEARS.

THERE HAS BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO THE STATE LAW BY JANUARY 1ST, 2027, TO ALLOW THE CITY TO MOVE THE ELECTION DATE.

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S THE THAT'S THE MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? WE NEED A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION, IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MAYOR.

ARE YOU. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES AGAIN.

EVERYONE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON CHAD, THE CHAD WEST AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX IN THE BIG PACKET.

THANK YOU. WHAT STAFF IS PASSING OUT RIGHT NOW IS A COPY OF THE ACTUAL MOTION FOR EVERYONE ALONG WITH A LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED AND PULLED TOGETHER BY JEFF KITNER IN THE NORTH DALLAS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

ON THE LAST PAGE OF THAT LETTER, THERE IS A A GROUP.

THERE'S A LOT OF LOGOS FROM VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUPPORT THIS, THIS CHANGE, COLLEAGUES JUST KIND OF SPEAKING ON THIS ONE AND THE NEXT AMENDMENT TOGETHER FOR A SECOND.

YOU KNOW, TODAY WE'RE CONSIDERING A TOTAL OF 28 POLICY AMENDMENTS.

OF THESE, ONLY A HANDFUL OF THESE AMENDMENTS ARE GOING TO TRULY RESONATE WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM.

THAT'S BECAUSE ONLY A HANDFUL OF THESE AMENDMENTS ARE GOING TO ONE MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AND TWO, SAVE OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY.

THE CHARTER REVIEW COMES AROUND ONCE EVERY TEN YEARS.

EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING HERE IS IMPORTANT TODAY, BUT THIS IS OUR ONE CHANCE TODAY TO MAKE MEANINGFUL STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT WILL IMPACT THE LIVES OF OUR RESIDENTS FOR DECADES TO COME.

THIS AMENDMENT, WHICH SUGGESTS MOVING OR WHICH ASKS TO MOVE THE ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER, WOULD DO THAT FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

I'VE GOT A SERIES OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, BUT I JUST WONDER IF STAFF CAN SORT OF SIMPLIFY, LIKE THE REALITY OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT IS INCLUDED AND PASSES.

YES, SIR. THIS COMES WITH A TRIGGER CLAUSE AS WELL.

AND SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADVOCATED FOR AT THE STATE.

THE STATE ONCE, ONCE ALLOWED WE WOULD THEN TRIGGER IT WOULD TRIGGER THE MOVE OF THE ELECTION DATE.

SO THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN THE 2025 ELECTIONS.

AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR US WITH THIS NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO, FOR, FOR THE MAY ELECTION TO BE MOVED BECAUSE THAT'S DURING THE SESSION.

SO THIS WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN UNTIL 2027 AT THE EARLIEST.

HOWEVER, IT IS SOMETHING THAT BASED ON SOME, SOME CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD AND THINGS THAT WE KNOW OTHERS ANOTHER CITY IN TEXAS HAS ALREADY ASKED FOR.

THEY'VE THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR SO FAR WHERE THEY'VE, THEY'VE PUT IN THEIR CHARTER THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THEIR ELECTION DATE.

AND IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE ARE THERE'S A PUSH FOR IN AUSTIN.

RIGHT. SO THAT LEADS ME TO MY QUESTIONS.

SO WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TRIGGER CLAUSE AND PEOPLE'S CONCERN WITH THAT.

AND THE STATE HAS SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THEY DON'T REALLY LIKE RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

BUT WHEN OTHER CITIES HAVE WANTED TO MOVE THEIR ELECTION DATES FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER HAS THE STATE PUNISHED THEM OR HAVE THEY SUPPORTED THAT MOVE? SO THIS IS WILLOW SANCHEZ.

CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

IF I CAN START WITH THE HIGHER QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED AND THEN NARROW IT DOWN TO ANSWER YOUR PRECISE QUESTION.

YEAH. SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ASKED IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT? WHAT WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT, NUMBER ONE, THE STATE LAW DOES NOT YET ALLOW IT.

THE STATE LAW SAID THAT ANY CHANGE FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER HAS TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE BY 1231, 2016.

OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE MOVED THEIR ELECTION DATES FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER EITHER WERE DONE WHEN IT WAS ALLOWED TO BE MOVED AND OR DID IT WITH A TRIGGER CLAUSE SUCH AS EL PASO.

RIGHT. SO EL PASO'S ORDINANCE, THEY PASSED IT IN 2013, BUT THEIR LANGUAGE SAID THAT THE NEXT TWO CYCLES OF ELECTION WOULD STILL BE IN MAY.

AND THEN IN 2018, THEY WOULD MOVE TO THE NOVEMBER CYCLE.

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SO THEY WERE ABLE TO CHANGE IT TO MAY, AND THEY FORECASTED THAT THEY WOULDN'T DO IT FOR A FEW CYCLES, WAITING FOR THE STATE TO MAKE IT ALLOWABLE FOR THEM TO DO IT.

SO THAT WAS THEIR APPROACH.

SO FOR US TO MOVE RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.

BUT THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AWARE OF IS THAT THE STATE CONSTITUTION ALSO DOESN'T ALLOW A TERM, AN INDIVIDUAL TERM THAT YOU SERVE ON COUNCIL, TO EXCEED FOUR YEARS.

SO IN THINKING THROUGH THE LOGISTICS OF MOVING FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COUNCIL TERMS SOMEHOW TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT SIX MONTH WINDOW BETWEEN MAY AND NOVEMBER.

AND SO THAT'S WHY YOUR MOTION SAYS THAT THEY WILL REMAIN TWO YEAR TERMS UNTIL THE STATE CHANGES THE LAW, SO THAT AT THE TIME WHEN IT DOES CHANGE THE LAW MEMBERS WILL BE IN A TWO YEAR TERM.

AND THAT SIX MONTH WINDOW IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

I TO CLARIFY THAT POINT, I THINK YOU MADE A REALLY GOOD ONE.

THE ON THE, THE THE TERM LENGTHS.

SO THE WAY THIS MOTION WAS DRAFTED, WHICH THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP ON THIS AND LAURA WAS IF IF PASSED ULTIMATELY BY THE VOTERS, THERE WOULD BE A LEGAL PATH FORWARD ASSUMING THE STATE GRANTED THAT AND WE WOULDN'T BE VIOLATING TERM LENGTHS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE BECAUSE THERE IS A TRIGGER CLAUSE, BECAUSE THERE IS A TRIGGER CLAUSE IN THE PROPOSITION THAT THEY WOULD VOTE ON.

IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH IF WE DID MOVE OUR ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER THAT WOULD AFFECT THE NONPARTISAN NATURE OF OUR ELECTIONS? I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE BEING ON CITY COUNCIL VERSUS RUNNING FOR THE STATE OR FEDERAL IS I DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN PARTIZAN POLITICS.

DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? WILL THAT IMPACT US AT ALL? YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, PARTIZAN ELECTIONS OCCUR IN EVEN NUMBERED YEARS IN NOVEMBER.

AND SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE STILL HAVING ELECTIONS IN ODD NUMBERED YEARS IN NOVEMBER, YOU WOULD NOT RUN UP AGAINST THE, THE PARTIZAN ELECTIONS.

YOU KNOW, CAN CAN WE SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY? OF COURSE NOT. BUT LIKELY YOU WOULD HAVE THE SAME KIND OF SETUP THAT WE HAVE NOW AND SAME DYNAMIC WE HAVE NOW.

THE WAY THIS IS, THE MOTION IS CRAFTED, KEEPS IT IN ODD NUMBERED YEARS IN NOVEMBER VERSUS PUTTING IT ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CYCLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN EVEN YEARS.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. IN OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE STATE, LIKE HOUSTON AND MESQUITE, THAT MOVED MAY TO NOVEMBER, ODD YEAR ELECTIONS, WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DID WE SEE ON VOTER TURNOUT, WHICH MY A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM.

SO WE DO SEE AN INCREASE IN VOTER TURNOUT IN NOVEMBER ELECTIONS COMPARED TO MAY ELECTIONS.

I KNOW THAT FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, IN MESQUITE, THE VOTER TURNOUT MORE THAN DOUBLED OR ALMOST DOUBLED BETWEEN IT'S 2009 AND 2017 ELECTIONS COMPARED TO ITS ELECTIONS ONCE IT MOVED TO NOVEMBER FROM ABOUT 5.5% UP TO ALMOST 11%.

AND THAT COMPARES TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AS WELL.

THE CITY OF DALLAS IN THAT SAME TIME FRAME, ONLY INCREASES VOTER TURNOUT BY ABOUT A HALF A PERCENTAGE POINT.

I DON'T AND SECRETARY JOHNSON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE.

OKAY. AND THEN WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC IMPACT IS WOULD THIS MEAN FOR THE CITY BY MOVING OUR ELECTIONS INTO NOVEMBER VERSUS MAY? WE'VE HEARD FROM COLLEAGUES AND MYSELF INCLUDED, THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF BILLS COMING UP.

WE HAVE THE PENSION, WE'VE GOT A FUND.

WE HAVE YOU KNOW, INCREASING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES IN THE CITY.

SO IF WE ARE WANTING TO BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT AND GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS, I'VE JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, DOES THIS SAVE US MONEY AS A CITY MOVING THIS INTO NOVEMBER? COUNCIL MEMBER WEST, THERE WOULD BE A SAVINGS, BUT IT WOULD BE A RELATIVELY SMALL SAVINGS.

MOVING IT NOVEMBER ODD NUMBER ELECTIONS.

AS FAR AS THE COST IS SHARED WITH DALLAS, WITH DALLAS COUNTY, WHICH IS WHICH IS A LARGE ENTITY THAT WOULD SHARE A LOT OF THE COST IN MAY OF ODD NUMBERED YEAR ELECTIONS.

WE SHARE A COST ALSO WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

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AND THAT'S WHERE DALLAS COUNTY, OF COURSE, BEING THE LARGEST ENTITY.

AND WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN COST SHARING.

SO THE SO THE YOU KNOW WE THAT'S WHY IT'S RELATIVELY SMALL.

IT'S ALMOST OFFSET ONE ANOTHER.

BUT BECAUSE DALLAS COUNTY IS A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE COMMUNITY COLLEGES, WE WOULD WE WOULD SEE US A SMALL SAVINGS BY MOVING IT TO TO NOVEMBER IS THE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MAY ELECTIONS COST US ABOUT $990,000, ABOUT A MILLION. MAY ELECTIONS.

THE ELECTION ITSELF COST ABOUT 600,000 OR $600,000.

AND THEN WE ADD IN ABOUT 150,000 FOR, FOR ADVERTISING.

OKAY. I GUESS I'LL NEED TO GET MY NUMBERS, LIKE, CLARIFY THEM WITH YOU.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'D SAVE ABOUT $400,000 EACH ELECTION CYCLE BY DOING A NOVEMBER ELECTION VERSUS MAY.

NO. I'M SORRY.

NO. OKAY, WELL, I'LL CHECK ON THAT.

BUT YOU. THERE WOULD BE SOME SAVINGS.

THERE WOULD BE SOME SAVINGS.

AND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON IF THE RUNOFF.

WHO'S IN RUNOFF.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SAVINGS, A LOT OF THE, THE MAIN THING TO, TO LOOK AT IS THE PARTICIPATING ENTITIES.

DURING GENERAL ELECTION AND RUNOFF ELECTION, BECAUSE THAT WOULD RESULT IN COST SHARING AND THAT'S WHERE SAVINGS WOULD COME IN INTO PLAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND ONE MORE QUESTION ON VOTER TURNOUT IN HOUSTON.

IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT AFTER HOUSTON MOVED THEIR VOTING TO NOVEMBER ODD YEAR ELECTIONS THEIR VOTER TURNOUT IS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES GREATER THAN OURS IS. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS BLACKMON.

YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. SO A TRIGGER CLAUSE IS THE SAME ONE LIKE THE LAST ONE, CORRECT? OKAY. SO IS THIS ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AS WELL? WE HAVE THE SAME PLACEHOLDER LANGUAGE FOR ANY CHANGES THAT COME OUT OF THE CHARTER.

NOTHING SPECIFIC. YES, MA'AM.

HAS IT BEEN DISCUSSED IN ANY OF OUR COMMITTEES? OKAY. SO GO, WILLOW, IF YOU CAN, OVER THE STATE CONSTITUTION VERSUS STATE LAW.

BECAUSE ARE THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED ABOUT SOMEBODY CAN'T BE OVER FOUR YEARS AND THAT'S A STATE CONSTITUTION, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS TO CHANGE IT, DON'T YOU? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

I CAN CLARIFY MY REMARKS.

THERE IS A STATE LAW THAT SAYS IF A MUNICIPALITY, A HOME RULE MUNICIPALITY WANTS TO MOVE THEIR ELECTION FROM THE MAY GENERAL ELECTION DATE TO NOVEMBER, IT MUST HAVE DONE IT BY 1231, 2016.

THE OTHER PROVISION THAT I MENTIONED, YOU HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN MOVING THE DATE IS THAT THE TERM OF LENGTHS CANNOT EXCEED AN INDIVIDUAL TERM OF SERVICE CANNOT EXCEED FOUR YEARS.

AND THAT IS IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

SO THAT COMES INTO PLAY.

IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING EXTENDING THE TERM LENGTHS FROM TWO YEARS TO FOUR YEARS, BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE MOVING PIECES TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU MOVE THE ELECTION SOMEHOW, THAT SIX MONTH WINDOW WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE IN OFFICE DOES NOT EXCEED THE ALLOWABLE LIMIT OF FOUR YEARS.

SO HAS THAT EXERCISE BEEN DONE? TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING IF THIS PASSES.

YES. OKAY.

SO DO WE HAVE HOW IT WOULD LOOK? I MEAN, I GUESS I'M TRYING I'M CONFUSED ON IF YOU CHANGE IT TO FOUR BECAUSE SOME OF US ARE IN OUR LAST TERM, LIKE HOW DOES THAT LOOK? SO COUNCIL MEMBER WEST DID MAKE A VERY DETAILED PROPOSAL AS TO WHAT WHICH PLACES ONE THROUGH 14 WHICH PLACES WOULD BE ENTITLED TO ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR TERMS AND OR FOUR YEAR TERMS, DEPENDING UPON WHEN YOU WANT TO MAKE THE SWITCH FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER, PRESUMING IT'S ALLOWED.

DO DO WE HAVE THAT? WHAT IS THE QUESTION? THE DETAILED WHICH PLACE GOES TO WHICH TYPE OF TERM? I APOLOGIZE IF I'M IF I, IF IT'S NOT ON THIS PAGE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE WANTS.

YEAH. OKAY. DO DO WE HAVE THAT HOW THAT LOOKS?

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THAT'S A DETAIL THAT PROBABLY MATTERS.

YES. FOR ANALYTICAL PURPOSES, I CREATED MY OWN INTERNAL DOCUMENT TO BE ABLE TO VISUALLY AND ENVISION HOW IT MIGHT WORK.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE, WHICH IS HOW WE INFORMED COUNCIL MEMBER WEST THAT HIS MOTION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.

OKAY. OKAY, I'LL LOOK AT THIS HERE IN A BIT, BUT I THINK, OKAY.

SO THEN BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TEN YEARS.

THE COMMISSION CAN WAIT TWO YEARS TO, TO REVIEW SOMETHING, BUT THE COUNCIL CAN PUT SOMETHING ON TWO YEARS.

YES. SO IF WE DECIDE TO DO THIS IN LOBBY AND GET IT BAKED A LITTLE BETTER, ESPECIALLY WE'VE GOT CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING.

DO WE DO FOUR YEARS? I KNOW SOME PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THREE KEEPING IT THE SAME, ETC..

YES, STATE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS THE CHARTER TO BE AMENDED NO LESS THAN EVERY TWO YEARS.

OKAY. AND WHEN YOU SAID THE MESQUITE IT DOUBLED, BUT IT WENT TO 11%, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 10.79.

SO WE'RE AT 9%.

SO IN THEORY WE'D GO UP TO 18.

I'M JUST NOT SURE.

AND I WILL SAY THERE IS A PROOF POINT.

I THINK MISS ARNOLD, YOU RAN IN A NOVEMBER ELECTION AND YOU CAN PROBABLY TALK TO THAT.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE IS A TURNOUT.

THERE IS A DROP AS YOU GO DOWN THE BALLOT, PEOPLE TEND TO DROP OFF.

SO TO SAY THAT EVERYBODY WHO GOES TO VOTE IN MAY IS GOING TO GO TO THE END IS NOT A FAIR STATEMENT.

I'VE WORKED MANY CAMPAIGNS.

MY SLOGAN WAS GO TO THE END OF THE BALLOT.

OKAY. AND SO IT DOES INCREASE.

YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE POTENTIAL VOTERS, BUT TO HAVE THEM VOTE IN THAT ELECTION IS NOT ALWAYS A SLAM DUNK.

AND I BET MISS ARNOLD CAN PROBABLY TELL YOU THAT THAT DATA POINT.

BUT THEY DO. IT IS A BET.

THAT IS A PROOF OF A DATA POINT.

IT WAS A AN ELECTION YEAR AND IT WAS A PARTIZAN ELECTION YEAR.

AND SO SHE THERE IS THAT DATA.

AND SO AND YOU SAID HOUSTON WHAT YOU SAID IT WENT UP 2.5.

WHAT WAS THEIR PERCENTAGE? DID IT GO FROM 2 TO 4 OR DID IT GO FROM 20 TO 45 OR WHAT? HOUSTON IS NOW AT ABOUT 22% VOTER TURNOUT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THAT MATH IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, BUT EVEN IS THAT IN A MAYORAL YEAR OR BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THEY'RE 2 OR 4 OR HOW ARE THEY? THEY'RE ALL FOUR.

OKAY. SO THE MAYOR IS UP EVERY TIME THE COUNCIL IS UP, I BELIEVE.

THAT'S CORRECT. YES.

I JUST HAVE THAT, THAT THEY, THEY GET BETWEEN ABOUT 22 AND 25% IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.

BUT I DON'T HAVE THE DATE OF MAYORAL VERSUS NOT.

OKAY. SO IF WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO GO AND LOBBY TO HAVE THIS LAW CHANGED.

AND IS IT A BRACKET? I MEAN, HAVE WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THE STRATEGY TO CHANGE THIS LAW? IS IT BRACKETED? HOW HOW DOES ONE CHANGE THE LAW THAT AFFECTS ONE CITY VERSUS NOT A GLOBAL STATE? AND I DO KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS.

FROM A LEGISLATIVE PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK FOR SOME SORT OF CARVE OUT OR BRACKET AS YOU REFERRED TO.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS APPLICABLE TO A PARTICULAR STATE OR COUNTY, AND THEY DO IT BY POPULATION.

BUT NO, WE HAVE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT PURSUING THAT LEGISLATIVELY PENDING THE COLLECTIVE DECISION OF THE BODY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE THAT.

AND SO IS THERE OTHER CITIES, ARE THERE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THIS? I MEAN, YOU NEVER WANT TO GO ALONE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MISSION TEXAS, WHICH IS DOWN BY MCALLEN IS HAS GONE AHEAD AND MOVED FORWARD WITH VERY, VERY SIMILAR LANGUAGE WITH THE EXPECTATION OF OF LOBBYING FOR THAT IN THIS UPCOMING SESSION.

SO JUST MISSION THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'M AWARE OF AT THE MOMENT.

OKAY. FOR THIS UPCOMING SPEED AND HOUSTON ALREADY HAD WHAT IS WHAT ABOUT ANY PLACE ELSE HERE AROUND THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE RIGHT NOW HAS ANY AS HTML.

HAVE YOU ALL BEEN TO THE MEETINGS AND HAVE ANYBODY MADE A AN INDICATOR? YES, MA'AM. WE DID RECENTLY ATTEND A LEGISLATIVE BRIEFING WITH THE HTML LEGISLATIVE DIRECTORS ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

THIS WAS NOT ON THEIR LIST OF PRIORITIES TO PURSUE OR IT DIDN'T COME UP AT THE TIME.

I WILL SAY THERE IS ALSO SORT OF AN INFORMAL EFFORT HERE LOCALLY WITH THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTORS AT OUR PEER CITIES HERE IN NORTH TEXAS TO RAMP UP THAT, THAT COMMUNICATION AND COLLABORATION WHERE THERE MAY BE SHARED INITIATIVES.

THIS ITEM HAS NOT BEEN FLOATED WITH THEM AGAIN, PENDING WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION.

OKAY. I'M GOING TO TAKE A PEEK AT THIS.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP THE CURRENT BILL.

THE CURRENT STATE LAW THAT RESTRICTS US TO 2016 DOES HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ENACTED THAT ARE CITY SPECIFIC AND OR LOCATION SPECIFIC.

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BUT OTHER CITIES HAVE GOTTEN ONE OFF AMENDMENTS TO THAT LAW THAT ALLOW THEM TO CHANGE THEIR DATE, THAT THEY MUST EITHER DO IT WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD AND IT EXPIRES.

OTHERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT WITH NO EXPIRATION DATE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE MUNICIPALITIES OR AN ISD OR A HOSPITAL DISTRICT THAT HAD A SPECIFIC POPULATION WITH A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT WERE ALLOWED TO CHANGE TO THE NOVEMBER DATE.

SO THESE ARE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE VERY PRECISELY TARGETED TO A CITY AND OR WHATEVER.

ENTITY GOVERNING BODY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE.

AND SO WILLOW, I GUESS NONE OF THOSE WOULD FIT DALLAS NONE OF THOSE CURRENTLY FIT US.

RIGHT. BUT THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WHERE THE ENTIRE BILL WAS THE ENTIRE LAW WAS NOT AMENDED TO ALLOW CITIES WHOLE ACROSS THE STATE TO DO IT, BUT BASED ON PARTICULAR SITUATIONS IN YOUR HISTORY.

AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, BECAUSE I WAS HERE DURING THAT TIME, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

WHY DIDN'T WE CHANGE WHEN WE COULD? WAS THERE I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A I DON'T REMEMBER.

THAT. AND IF Y'ALL FOUND ANYTHING IN YOUR HISTORICAL.

I THINK DAVID KNOWS, BUT I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER.

IT'S BEEN A MINUTE.

NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE.

AND I DO REMEMBER FORMER MAYOR RAWLINGS DID WANT TO, BUT IT HAD ALREADY PASSED THE 2016 DEADLINE.

OKAY. I GUESS I NEED TO DIGEST THIS BECAUSE ALL IT HAS IS NUMBERS.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE DISTRICTS OR THE PLACE.

MAYBE IT'S ON THE MAP. OH, WAIT.

HOLD ON. SO THIS CHART DOES SHOW THE DISTRICTS DOWN BELOW.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WAS HANDED OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MY DOCUMENT OR NOT, BUT BOTH SIDES.

OH, HERE IT IS. IT'S IN THIS BOX.

I GOT TO PUT MY REGULAR GLASSES ON.

OKAY, I'LL TAKE A PEEK AT THAT.

OH, DO Y'ALL WANT TO PUT IT UP? OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT.

MR. MAYOR, THIS IS BEFORE YOU MOVE TO YOUR NEXT.

YES. I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A STATEMENT I MADE IN RESPONSE TO.

PLEASE GO AHEAD WITH THAT ON SAVINGS BETWEEN THE MAY AND NOVEMBER ELECTION.

SO WHEN I MENTIONED THAT THE SAVINGS BETWEEN THE MAY VERSUS NOVEMBER ELECTION HAS VERY MINIMAL SAVINGS BETWEEN THE TWO I WAS SPEAKING, MY SCENARIO WAS TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION OF A GENERAL ELECTION AND A RUNOFF ELECTION, A GENERAL ELECTION IN AND RUNOFF IN MAY, AND A GENERAL IN RUNOFF ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO VERY LITTLE SAVINGS, HOWEVER, IF THERE IS NO RUNOFF ELECTION IN MAY VERSUS A NO RUNOFF ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, THEN YES, THERE WILL BE A SAVINGS IN NOVEMBER.

I MEAN, NOVEMBER WOULD HAVE MORE OF A SAVINGS VERSUS MAY OF ABOUT $432,000 IF THERE'S NO RUNOFF.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS, CITY OF DALLAS ELECTIONS HAS WELL, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS NOT GONE INTO A RUNOFF ELECTION. FOR OVER 25 YEARS, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS GONE INTO A RUNOFF.

IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS SINCE WE'VE NOT HAD DALLAS HAS NOT HAD A RUNOFF ELECTION.

OKAY. OKAY, SO, PAULA, I'M SORRY YOU WERE DONE, RIGHT? OKAY, SO LET ME MAKE SURE I'M NOT SKIPPING ABOUT CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. BEFORE I DO THAT, I WANT TO GO TO CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ BECAUSE HER HANDS BEEN UP FOR A LITTLE WHILE, AND I KEEP OVERLOOKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ONLINE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE ON THE WEST AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE IS, CAN WE GET AN EMAIL TO US THAT WORKSHEET THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT? THAT'S ONE THING I'LL EMAIL YOU THE THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT LIST.

OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SHEET OF PAPER ABOUT THE SAVINGS? YEAH, YEAH. WITH THE WITH THE HOW IT WOULD PLAY OUT WITH THE DISTRICTS.

OH, OKAY. YES.

SORRY. THANK YOU.

THE SECOND THING IS I DON'T THINK I HEARD IT MENTIONED IF WE GO TO NOVEMBER, BUT RATHER THAN FOUR YEARS, WE DO THREE YEARS. WHAT IS THE IMPACT? DOES IT STILL WORK?

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IF YOU'RE ASKING WHETHER THE THREE YEAR TERM BEING EXTENDED BY SIX MONTHS TO MOVE FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER WOULD COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, THE ANSWER IS YES.

NOW, WHAT I'M ALSO ASKING IS, DOES IT STILL WORK IF WE.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

AND IF WE GO WITH THREE YEAR TERMS, CAN WILL THE NOVEMBER ODD YEARS STILL WORK? NO. YOU WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE SOME ELECTIONS IN EVEN NUMBERED YEARS AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ODD NUMBERED YEAR TERMS. OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, HAVE WE MADE ANY EFFORTS TO TRY TO ALIGN WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RACES SO AT LEAST WE CAN GET MORE TURNOUT IN MAY? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

I DON'T KNOW WHO ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE AS WELL.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S IT, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN BASIL.

DULY RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR.

SO CAN Y'ALL BREAK DOWN THE DATA THAT YOU PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT MORE GRANULAR? BECAUSE JUST AS WHAT MISS BLACKMON MENTIONED, THERE'S A DROP OFF ON DOWN BALLOT.

AND SO JUST GIVING ME A HIGH LEVEL VOTER TURNOUT INCREASE TO ME DOESN'T PAINT A VERY GOOD PICTURE.

SO HAVE Y'ALL BROKEN THAT DOWN TO SHOW ME WHAT THAT TURNOUT WAS FOR PRESIDENT VERSUS WHAT IT WAS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS? AND DID YOU COMPARE THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE ON THE MAY ELECTION? THAT IS THAT IS TURNOUT DATA FOR MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS, FOR COUNCIL, FOR COUNCIL AND MAYORAL ELECTIONS.

SO THAT IS NOT LOOKING AT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND SUCH.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE SPECIFIC TO CITY COUNCIL ELECTIONS.

AND CITE YOUR DATA SOURCE, PLEASE.

SO THAT THAT WAS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT BROKEN DOWN LIKE THAT IN, IN A THAT WAS ME GOING THROUGH BASED ON SO YOU TOOK ALL OF THE PARTIZAN RACES OUT SO.

WELL, SO IN BOTH OF THOSE CITIES THEY DON'T DO DURING PARTIZAN RACES.

THEY'RE DOING THEM DURING ODD NUMBERED YEARS AS WELL.

SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO I DIDN'T HAVE TO PARSE OUT BETWEEN OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

PARTIZAN RACES. OKAY.

WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I AM NOT I'M GOING TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE SAME SPIEL THAT I GAVE WHEN IT COMES TO RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS TABLED.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US EXPLORE THIS MUCH MORE THOUGHTFULLY, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HEARD JUST TODAY THAT THERE'S NOT ANSWERS FOR INCLUDING THE, THE DISCREPANCY ON WHAT IT WOULD SAVE US OR, AND, OR COST US KNOWING THAT THERE ARE RUNOFFS AS A VARIABLE.

AND IF ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE TABLING IS FOR RANKED CHOICE VOTING, THAT COULD HAVE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL OR SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO EXACTLY THAT POINT ON THE SAVINGS THAT WOULD HAVE IF WE HAD RANKED CHOICE VOTING THAT WERE COMING, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE THE VARIABLE OF A RUNOFF.

AND SO I AGAIN, THINK THIS IS KIND OF GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE SAME CONVERSATION OF CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND ALLOWING FOR THERE TO BE A LOT OF CONFUSION TO THE VOTERS.

WE'RE GOING TO ASK VOTERS AGAIN.

AND WE'RE AND WE'VE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN VOTERS THAT WE'RE GETTING IN NOVEMBER VERSUS IN MAY, EVEN WHEN THERE ISN'T ACTUAL CANDIDATE RACES ON THOSE BALLOTS. THAT'S JUST A KNOWN FACT.

AND SO ASKING EVERYONE TO APPROVE FOR US TO HAVE IT IN NOVEMBER EVEN IF THERE IS A YEAR CERTAIN ON THAT LANGUAGE, AND THEN TURNING AROUND AND HAVING THEM COME BACK IN MAY TO ME IS, IS NOT A VERY GOOD PRACTICE.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GET THE LEGISLATURE TO ALLOW FOR US TO DO THAT.

AND THEN COME BACK BECAUSE, AGAIN, TIMING ISN'T ON OUR SIDE.

HAD WE SEEN THAT THE SESSION DOESN'T MATCH UP WITH OUR MAY ELECTION YEAR, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TO WORK QUICKLY WITH POSSIBLY GETTING SOMETHING THROUGH AND THEN HAVING THE ABILITY TO GET THAT CHANGED BEFORE OUR VOTERS ARE BEING ASKED TO COME BACK OUT.

THEN I MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK, BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS EXERCISE FOR A CHARTER REVIEW IS ABOUT MAKING OUR GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT, NOT MAKING CHANGE THAT YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR MARK ON FROM OUR CITY.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

AND I GET THAT. AND I WANT TO SEE A CHANGE TOO.

BUT IF IT'S NOT ADDING TO THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR GOVERNMENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO BE DONE IN THIS EXERCISE AT THIS TIME.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S REQUIRING THE LEGISLATURE TO TAKE ACTION BEFORE WE CAN THEN COME BACK AND RETROACTIVELY CHANGE SOMETHING.

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SO I ULTIMATELY DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS THE SMART WAY.

I'D LOVE TO EXPLORE MORE OF WHAT UNTIL WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES WITH THE LEGISLATURE.

I WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE WHAT MISS SCHULTZ JUST MENTIONED AND SEEING HOW A POSSIBLE THREE YEAR I AM GOING I'M JUMPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THREE YEARS, NOT FOUR.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT COULD MATCH UP, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER NONPARTISAN RACE.

AND JUST AS MISTER WEST MENTIONED, WE'RE A NONPARTISAN RACE AND THE ONLY OTHER NONPARTISAN RACE THAT OUR OR THAT OUR VOTERS HAVE TO VOTE FOR IS WITH OUR EDUCATION SYSTEMS, THE PUBLIC EDUCATION AT COLLEGIATE LEVEL AND AT THE ELEMENTARY K THROUGH 12 LEVEL. RIGHT. AND SO WITH THOSE NOT HAVING ANY OTHER ELECTION ATTACHED TO THEM, WE'RE ALLOWING FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO ALSO BE LOW TURNOUT JUST LIKE OURS ARE.

I'D LOVE TO SEE US EXPLORE HOW WE CAN GET.

OUR ELECTIONS LOCKED IN WITH OUR SCHOOL BOARD ELECTIONS TO HELP INCREASE TURNOUT, TO HELP KEEP OUR NONPARTIZAN RACES STILL BUNDLED TOGETHER. AND AND SEE HOW EVEN THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO MAKE THE, THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION OF THOSE RACES MATCH WITH THE SAME CONSTITUENCY.

WHO'S COMING OUT TO VOTE. SO AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE UNANSWERED.

THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT IFS IN THIS SCENARIO.

I DEFINITELY THINK THAT IT IS WAY HALF BAKED FOR US TO PUSH THIS TO THE VOTERS AT THIS POINT.

FOR THAT REASON, I DEFINITELY AM NOT SUPPORTING IT NOW, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO EXPLORE THIS ALSO AS A TABLED ITEM, IF YOU WILL, FOR US TO KNOW THAT IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL AT THE LEGISLATURE, WE CAN PICK BACK UP AND THEN APPROPRIATELY MAKE THE CHANGES AT THE CITY LEVEL.

THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR. MISS SANCHEZ, WHY DID THE LEGISLATURE, WHAT WERE THEIR RATIONALE FOR ADOPTING THE PROHIBITION ON CHANGES IN ELECTION DATE IN THE 2016 LEGISLATION? WILLOW SANCHEZ, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

AND I CAN FIND THE RATIONALE FOR YOU.

WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT LEGISLATIVE HISTORIES.

I DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE IT.

I DO HAVE A TIME FRAME THAT IT USED TO BE.

2005 WAS THE DEADLINE.

THEN IT WAS AMENDED TO BE 2010, THEN AMENDED TO BE A 2012 DEADLINE, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY 2016.

YES, THAT'S WHAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

IF THEY KEPT EXTENDING THE DATE, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF SETTING? I COULD TELL YOU, BUT I WON'T.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER, IT WAS LIKELY TO HAVE TO APPEASE A PARTICULAR MEMBER OR LOCAL ISSUE.

WELL, OKAY.

THAT CURRENTLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME, BUT ONE OF THE JUSTIFICATIONS, ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THIS MOVEMENT IN THE ELECTION DATE IS THAT WE'RE WEARING OUT THE VOTERS, AND IT LEADS TO VOTER FATIGUE AND CONFUSION, HAVING TO VOTE TWICE A YEAR.

WELL, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE TWICE A YEAR.

SO I HAVE TO PUSH BACK ON THAT NOTION.

THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE IN MAY FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COLLEGE DISTRICT, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT.

AND THE OTHER ISSUE HERE, THE CITY COUNCIL ELECTION IN MAY, IS AT THE TOP OF THE BALLOT.

IF WE MOVE IT TO NOVEMBER, WE'RE A DOWN BALLOT RACE AND IT'S IN A PARTIZAN ELECTION, WHICH WHICH I AM PRETTY CERTAIN WILL TEND TO BLEED INTO OUR ELECTIONS BECAUSE WE WILL THEN BE COMPETING WITH THE PARTIZAN ELECTIONS FOR CAMPAIGN DOLLARS FOR VOLUNTEERS.

AND IT'S GOING TO POLITICIZE OUR RACES, IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND I THINK I WOULD PREFER TO STAY IN THE NONPARTISAN ELECTION IN MAY.

WHERE WE'VE HAD IT FOR, WHAT, DECADES? FOREVER. AND SO PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE USED TO MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS IN MAY BY NOW.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SPRINGING SOMETHING NEW ON THEM.

SO I THINK I COME DOWN ON KEEPING IT WHERE IT IS.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

WE'RE IN THE FIRST ROUND.

CITY SECRETARY, BEFORE I GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON, I'M GOING TO HOLD MY SECOND ROUND.

THEN. MISS WHEN? THE SECOND ROUND. COUNCILWOMAN.

BLACKMON HE'S BACK.

OKAY. OH IS IT YOUR.

IS YOUR. OH, I WAS GOING TO THANK YOU.

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AND I THINK PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ELECTIONS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY THAT HAS TO DRIVE A MESSAGE.

AND OFTENTIMES YOUR MESSAGE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY AS A CANDIDATE, YOU CAN'T GET YOUR MESSAGE OUT.

AND SO UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM OUR MEDIA PARTNERS THAT CAN TAKE SOME TYPE OF A NEUTRAL POSITION, INFORMATIONAL, BUT NOT PARTIZAN, SO TO SPEAK, WE'RE STILL GOING TO STRUGGLE TO GET VOTERS OUT.

I MEAN, THAT IS JUST THE BOTTOM LINE.

ALL OF US AROUND HERE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO RUN A CAMPAIGN.

AND SO IF YOU CAN'T REACH THE PEOPLE, THEY DON'T JUST SAY, OH, I'M GOING TO GO OUT AND VOTE FOR THAT PERSON.

THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST.

AND ALSO WITH THIS WHOLE NOTION OF MOVING, AS YOU STATED I DID, I'VE HAD SOME INTERESTING RACES, BUT I DO KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THAT WEIRD ELECTION THAT I WAS IN WHERE I THINK I WAS, I THINK I HAD TO TELL THE PEOPLE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN AND AROUND ON THE BALLOT.

THEY HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN AND FLIP OVER JUST LIKE A JUGGERNAUT TO FIND ME ON THE BALLOT.

AND SO THAT WAS A NOVEMBER ELECTION THAT I, THAT I WAS IN.

BUT I THINK HOLISTICALLY, WE REALLY HAVE TO RETHINK HOW WE RUN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM.

AND THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.

THE YOUNG BECOME THE OLD IN THAT PROCESS BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME TO EDUCATE, FOR THIS NEWNESS, TO MARINATE.

AND SO AS WE TRY TO CHANGE BEHAVIORS, YOU CAN'T DO IT OVERNIGHT.

SO I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE MAY ELECTIONS.

AND I DO KNOW THOSE OF US WHO ARE AROUND THE HORSESHOE KNOW THAT WHEN WE START TALKING POLITICS, THERE ARE VOTERS WHO, WHO, WHO HAVE CERTAIN VOTES CAMPAIGNS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME OUT FOR.

AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THEY'RE GOING TO ALWAYS TELL YOU, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT.

I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THOSE PRESIDENTIAL RACES.

SOME WILL TELL YOU, I DON'T DO CITY.

THEY'LL TELL YOU IN A MINUTE.

SO I THINK MOST OF IT IS ABOUT INFORMATION, WHETHER WE GO TO CHANGING HOW WE VOTE, WHO'S ON THE VOTE, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M LOOKING HERE NOW GOING, OKAY, WELL, IN 2027, MAYOR, I'M JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'LL BE TERMED OUT.

CAN ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, ARE THEY WORKING HARD SO THEY CAN CAN YOU RUN FOR MAYOR BASED ON SOME OF THESE SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS? YOU SAY ANYBODY BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? IT ALL OF THIS, EVERYTHING HERE HAS SOME TYPE OF PROBABLY PURPOSE FOR THE DESIGN.

BUT OVERALL WE MUST HAVE A SYSTEM THAT EDUCATES AND BUYS IN TO THE SYSTEM OF TEACHING OUR VOTERS THE BENEFITS OF COMING OUT TO VOTE, WHATEVER SYSTEM WE USE, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION THEY NEED ON THOSE CANDIDATES.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANT TO SAY.

ELECTIONS. WE MAY BE NONPARTISAN, BUT ELECTIONS ARE FINANCIAL.

AND YOU MUST HAVE THE FUNDING AND THE RESOURCES THAT GET THE INFORMATION OUT.

AND UNTIL WE GET THAT, AND IF WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO GET A PUSH PULL EFFECT, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE THINK, OUR MINDSET AND THE IDEOLOGY ABOUT ELECTIONS HOLISTICALLY.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I WANT TO STAY.

AND I'M REALLY GOING TO CONTINUE TO STAY WITH MAY UNTIL WE MAKE A HOLISTIC CHANGE.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I KEEP HEARING FOLKS TALK ABOUT TRIGGERS AND WAITING FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

LET ME BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU IF YOU WANT TO SEE THOSE CHANGES IN AUSTIN.

WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER RUNNING FOR THE STATE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU KEEP LOOKING FOR OTHER FOLKS TO DO FOR YOU WHAT YOU OUGHT TO BE DOING FOR YOUR FOR FOR YOURSELF OR YOUR COMMUNITY, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT.

SO, MAYOR, I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN IN THE STATE HOUSE, BUT FOR THOSE WHO KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT, DON'T KEEP WAITING A RUN FOR THE STATE OFFICE.

START WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

THANK YOU. I HAVE TO DISTANCE MYSELF FROM THAT COMMENT AS WELL.

AND GO ON TO PAULA BLACKMON FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, YOUR MAJESTY, I'M SORRY I CALLED.

I DIDN'T MEAN I DIDN'T MEAN TO CALL YOU PAUL AT THE AT THE HORSESHOE.

WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS A LONG TIME.

SORRY. OKAY, MY QUESTION IS, I.

I TAKE IT THIS DID COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, BUT IT DIDN'T PASS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. CAN YOU GIVE ME THE BACK? GROUND ON THAT, OR THE COMMITTEE REPORT, OR ANY KIND OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS AND WHERE IT WHERE IT WHERE IT STALLED.

[04:25:04]

EXCUSE ME. SO THEY WERE LOOKING AT BOTH THREE AND FOUR YEAR TERMS. THREE YEAR TERMS WAS WHAT THEY VOTED ON FIRST.

I BELIEVE THE FINAL VOTE ON THAT WAS 10 TO 5.

IT IT FAILED.

AND THEN THE FOUR YEAR TERMS KIND OF FIZZLED OUT AND WERE VOTED AGAINST, I BELIEVE, UNANIMOUSLY.

HOWEVER, MY UNDERSTANDING AND TALKING TO COMMISSIONERS WAS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF HEART TO EXTEND TERM LENGTHS.

OH, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT MOVING THE ELECTION DATE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS GOING ON THAT.

OH, IT'S ALL OF IT. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED, RIGHT? I MEAN, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A THREE YEAR TERM, IT'S HARDER TO DO IN NOVEMBER DATE.

IF YOU DON'T IF YOU'RE IF YOUR OBJECTIVE IS TO STAY AWAY FROM PARTIZAN ELECTIONS, IF YOU HAVE AN EVEN NUMBER, YOU CAN GO INTO THE CONSTITUTIONAL YEARS, THE ODD YEARS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT PARTIZAN. SO THEY ARE RELATED.

AND I SEE WHERE I GOT OFF BECAUSE I WAS CONTEXTUALLY THEY WERE CONSIDERING ALL OF THESE KIND OF CHANGES ON THE SAME NIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL INTERRELATED.

AND SO THERE WAS WHILE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN HEART FOR A CHANGE OF THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER THERE WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF CONSIDERATION THAT THEY NEEDED TO MAKE.

THEY NEEDED TO KNOW IF THEY WANTED TO VOTE FOR THE ELECTION DATE CHANGE, AND IF THEY WANTED TO VOTE FOR 3 OR 4 YEAR CHANGES OR LEAVE IT AT TWO YEARS.

THEY WANTED TO KNOW IF THEY WANTED TO DO IT IN PARTIZAN YEARS OR NOT.

AND SO I BELIEVE THAT IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THAT THERE JUST WASN'T A CONSENSUS ON ANY ONE PATH FORWARD, AND THEREFORE A LOT OF THIS BOTH TERM LENGTHS. AND SO I SAID, WE'LL JUST FORGET IT.

LET'S JUST THE STATUS QUO IS FINE, I BELIEVE.

YES. WELL, YES.

AND DIRECTOR ROGERS POINTED OUT THAT THE STATE LAW ALSO IT PLAYED PLAYED PLAYED A ROLE IN THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THE TRIGGER CLAUSE IS ANOTHER WRINKLE.

TO ADD TO THAT CONSIDERATION, DID THEY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY WANTED TO GIVE TO US.

LIKE MAYBE LOOK AT THIS AND LOOK AT THAT OR IS LIKE JUST NO, MOVE ON.

YEAH. NO, THEY DID NOT MAKE ANY FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND OR ANY KIND OF LIKE PASSED THIS INFORMATION UP OR ANYTHING.

IT WAS. NO. AND WE'RE MOVING ON.

NOT ON THESE ITEMS. NO.

SO OKAY, BECAUSE THIS IS A HARD RUBRIC TO AND, YOU KNOW, TO, TO WORK OUT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY CAVEATS.

AND, AND WHILE WE'RE NOT REALLY IN CONTROL OF BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG ONE THE NOVEMBER AND SO DO YOU CHANGE THE TERMS AND THEN GO LOBBY FOR THE OR DO YOU, DO YOU GO LOBBY AND THEN CHANGE THE TERMS AND OR DO YOU LEAVE IT THE SAME.

SO I GUESS IT'S LOOKING AT WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT.

DO YOU WANT A NOVEMBER OR DO YOU WANT FOUR YEAR.

BECAUSE I THINK THE APPETITE IS FOR THREE YEAR TO BE QUITE HONEST TERMS. AND SO I THIS IS I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THIS ONE.

I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF WE THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE IDEA IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

I MEAN, THE FACTS ARE STILL THE SAME.

AND JUST THREADING THIS IS KIND OF DAUNTING.

BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY SUGGESTIONS, WELL, IN COUNCIL MEMBER ALL, JUST TO ADD ON TO WHAT JAKE WAS SAYING, BECAUSE I'M A BLACKMON DO WHAT I THINK YOU SAID.

COUNCILWOMAN ARNOLD, COUNCIL MEMBER OH YEAH.

COUNCIL MEMBER I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS JAKE HAD INDICATED, ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS HAD COME UP ON THE SAME NIGHT AND THEY ARE VERY INTEGRATED.

AND I THINK WHERE THEY DID GET HUNG UP WAS ON THAT BUTTERFLY EFFECT OF LOOKING AT THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, AND IT WASN'T TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL. OH, WELL, IF THIS HAPPENS, THEN COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH WOULD HAVE TO RUN AGAIN.

IT TRULY WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE POSITIONS.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT OF GOING TO THE 3 OR 4 YEARS AND WHEN IT AND IF THEY CHANGE IT TO NOVEMBER AND THEN HOW THAT WOULD BE TAKEN UP.

IT WAS EXTRAORDINARILY COMPLEX.

AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CHARTS AND NUMBERS AND, AND YEARS ETC.

THROWN AROUND. AND I THINK IT JUST ULTIMATELY CAME TO BE TOO LARGE OF A SO I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR THE BODY IS, IS NOVEMBER OR TERM LIMITS? AND IF IT'S NOVEMBER, THEN WE TAKE ALL THESE GROUPS AND WE GO DOWN TO AUSTIN AND WE LOBBY TO CHANGE THE DATE FIRST, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE DATE, THEN NOTHING ELSE REALLY THAT THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER SOMETHING ELSE.

IT'S LIKE THE DATE TRIGGERS THIS ROUTE OR THIS ROUTE, IF THAT IS THE MAIN THING.

IF IT'S FOUR THREE, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY THE DATE, IT'S FOUR OR 3 OR 2.

SO I THINK THAT'S I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW AT THIS LEVEL OR IF IT GOES BACK AND WORK IT AND MASSAGE IT A LITTLE MORE.

BUT I THINK IT'S WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE WHAT THE WHAT IS THE MAIN GOAL THAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE.

AND THEN THAT DETERMINES THE PATH VERSUS FIXING IT ALL AND DOING IT ALL.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS JUST HEARING THIS.

BECAUSE JUST READING ALL THIS, IT'S.

IT IS. I CAN SEE WHY THEY JUST PUNTED, TO BE QUITE HONEST.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO GO TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM FOR FIVE MINUTES.

[04:30:09]

THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENED TEN YEARS AGO.

IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION.

AND I WAS HERE TEN YEARS AGO WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW.

IT IS COMPLICATED WHEN YOU TRY TO CHANGE IT FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER.

THE SAME QUESTION YOU ASKED TODAY, THE SAME QUESTION HAPPENED A DECADE AGO.

IT'S VERY COMPLICATED.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO EDUCATE THE VOTERS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE VOTED? AND ALSO IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SHOW UP ON THE BALLOT? ARE YOU GOING TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE BALLOT? YOU'RE GOING TO BE AT THE END OF THE BALLOT.

AND THOSE ARE THE ISSUES.

VERY SIMPLE.

IT'S COMPLICATED, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TRICK, OF COURSE.

AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO RESOLVE THIS.

I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IT AT MEH UNTIL WE FIGURE IT OUT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN YET, WE'RE GOING TO CHAIRMAN RIDLEY FOR THREE MINUTES.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JAKE, YOU MENTIONED THE STATISTIC THAT HOUSTON HAD A TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE AMOUNT OF TURNOUT AFTER THEY MOVED THE ELECTION COMPARED TO DALLAS TURNOUT.

BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT STATISTIC IS HOW MUCH DID HOUSTON'S TURNOUT INCREASE FROM BEFORE THE CHANGE TO AFTER THE CHANGE? DO YOU HAVE THAT? I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.

BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT HOUSTON IS A STRONG MAYOR SYSTEM, AND THAT ALSO INFLUENCES PEOPLE'S TURNOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ELECTING THEIR CITY EXECUTIVE, TOO. SO I IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES.

TO YOUR POINT, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CITY THAT WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO OUR SITUATION? MISS MESQUITE IS THE ONE THAT I HAVE CURRENTLY, JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE THEY'VE HAD THE MOST RECENT SWITCH.

THAT IS THE NUMBER FROM THEY WENT FROM FIVE AND A HALF TO, TO ABOUT 11%.

AND THEY'RE ALSO CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

OKAY. SO THAT'S 5.5% BEFORE THE CHANGE IN MAY ELECTIONS TO 11% IN NOVEMBER.

THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST MR. WEST, AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX, MISTER WEST, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, I WAS TRYING TO GET IN THE QUEUE THERE.

YEAH, JUST A ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION I FORGOT TO ASK FOR NOVEMBER ELECTIONS VERSUS MAY, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THERE ARE MORE VOTER LOCATIONS AND ALSO LONGER EARLY VOTING HOURS? OH, YEAH. I'M GOING TO PASS THAT TO THE CITY SECRETARY.

IN MAY ELECTIONS.

I MEAN, I'M SORRY, IN NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, THERE ARE MORE LOCATIONS AND LONGER HOURS.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO I JUST KIND OF END MY POINT WITH THAT.

THE MOVING THE ELECTION FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER ALLOWS FOR MORE ACCESS FOR VOTERS TO THE POLLS.

IT ALLOWS FOR POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS FOR THE CITY.

WE'VE SEEN IN MESQUITE IS DEFINITELY NOT DALLAS, BUT IT IS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GO BETWEEN THE CITIES AND PEOPLE WHO MOVE BACK AND FORTH.

AND I THINK ARGUABLY OUR VOTER TRENDS COULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THEIRS WITH ALMOST DOUBLING VOTER TURNOUT MOVING THE ELECTION FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER, ODD ELECTION YEARS.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

LOOKS LIKE. THANK THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST WHAT I HEARD.

THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.

ARE THERE ANY RUNOFF ELECTIONS IN ODD YEAR NOVEMBER ELECTIONS? I'M GOING TO PASS THAT TO THE CITY SECRETARY.

VERY FEW, IF ANY.

AND WHAT WOULD GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF, IF ANY? THERE ARE A FEW LOCAL CITY CITIES THAT MAY GO INTO RUNOFF.

RIGHT. BUT VERY FEW.

EXACTLY. AND WE'VE ALREADY WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS HAPPEN FOR WITH THIS CITY COUNCIL.

I MEAN, NOT THIS CURRENT ONE, BUT ONE IN THE PAST.

THE PERSON WHO HAD TO DO IN NOVEMBER ELECTION IS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME BECAUSE IT WAS A SPECIAL ELECTION.

AND WAS THERE A RUNOFF IN THAT ELECTION? FROM WHAT I REMEMBER.

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME.

THERE WAS. YES. AND I'M SORRY TO PUT MY COLLEAGUE ON, ON STAGE LIKE THAT, BUT.

AND YOU SEE HOW I'VE TRIGGERED HER NOW.

SO YOU KNOW, SO AND SO NOW WE HAVE TRIGGER LANGUAGE IN THIS AND TRIGGER TRIGGER IN MY COLLEAGUE, YOU KNOW? WOW. SO NO, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS ALSO THE DIFFICULTIES OF THOSE RUNOFFS AND NOT SEEING OTHER CITIES DON'T DO IT AND THAT IT WOULDN'T WORK.

I'M JUST SAYING I KEEP HEARING, OH, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THIS VOTER TURNOUT, INCREASE THIS VOTER TURNOUT.

YOU CAN'T COMPARE HOUSTON TO DALLAS IN THE FACT THAT WHAT WAS THERE VOTER TURNOUT BEFORE? OKAY. SO YOU YOU DOUBLED IT.

[04:35:01]

IT'S REAL EASY TO SAY THEY WERE DOUBLING.

AND THAT SOUNDS BIG.

BUT IF IT WAS GOING FROM 3 TO 6, THAT'S NOTHING.

IT'S NO CHANGE.

SO WE AND I'M NOT GETTING ON TO YOU GUYS.

I'M JUST SAYING NOBODY CAN TELL ME WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE WAS AND WHAT DOUBLED OR WHATNOT.

SO IT'S LIKE SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S LIKE MAKES THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THERE.

THEY HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT OR MAYOR COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

AND THAT ALSO I BELIEVE THEIR MAYOR IS ON THE BALLOT EVERY ELECTION.

AND IN OUR CITY THEY AREN'T.

AND SO THAT MAKES, YOU KNOW, ALSO FOR A DIFFERENCE IN ELECTIONS.

SO IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES.

AND YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING TO WORK WITH OUR LOCAL LIKE MAJOR ISD'S OTHER CITIES? DALLAS COLLEGE, THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT VOTE ALONG WITH US IN MAY BECAUSE IF WE LEAVE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, TEXAS AND OU LEAVING THE BIG 12 AND GOING OFF TO THE SEC, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE, NOW THEY'RE ALL SCRAMBLING BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY MORE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

SO SO NOW, YEAH, WE MIGHT BE SAVING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S MUCH BECAUSE WE'RE MORE THAN LIKELY BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, IN THE LAST 25 YEARS HAD A RUNOFF ELECTION, EVERY SINGLE ELECTION, INCLUDING THIS SPECIAL ELECTION THAT MY COLLEAGUE HAD TO GO THROUGH IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER INTO DECEMBER IN THE HOLIDAYS.

WHICH WAS REALLY ODD FOR ALL OF US.

AND SO YOU HAVE THAT AND SO I DON'T SEE THE SAVINGS COMING THE FINANCIAL SAVINGS COMING THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO TOUT.

NOR DO I SEE THOSE NUMBERS GOING UP, BUT I THINK THAT WE MAY BE TURNING AROUND AND ALSO HURTING OUR OTHER ELECTED GOVERNMENTS IF THEY'RE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVING TO PAY EVEN MORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PART OF THE COST SHARE ANYMORE.

DOO DOO DOO. HAS ANY OF THAT BEEN DONE TO WORK WITH THE DISD, ISD PISD YOU KNOW, ALL THE ISD'S THAT ARE IN DALLAS? I KNOW AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL, THAT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

WE HAD SOME COMMISSIONERS WHO HAD FORMERLY SERVED, FOR EXAMPLE, ON DALLAS ISD BOARD.

AND ONE OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY POINTED OUT THAT HE BELIEVED THAT THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT SPURS DISD TO MOVE TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF OR TO FOLLOW THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.

WAS THERE A CONVERSATION WITH THE DISD YET? NO, NO, THAT WAS JUST THE COMMISSION DISCUSSING.

VERY GOOD. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THANK YOU. SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE WHAT I'M GETTING AT, YOU KNOW, MR. MAYOR, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OUR PARTNERS IN, IN, IN THE CITY BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO BE HURTING FOR MONEY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE HURTING FOR MONEY.

EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE HURTING FOR CASH.

SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WE LIKE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I'D RATHER DO IT TOGETHER.

I DON'T I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF STATE LAW ALLOWS FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR THE COLLEGE OR ANY OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL, I MEAN EDUCATIONAL GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES TO MOVE THEIR ELECTIONS. AND WE DIDN'T ASK THAT.

RIGHT. THAT HASN'T GONE THAT FAR.

SO THAT'S NOT ON YOU. IT'S JUST I'M SAYING THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS STILL.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STICK BY WHAT I SAID AT THE BEGINNING ON THAT FIRST ONE.

MR. MAYOR, I JUST AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH TRIGGERED LANGUAGE.

AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT SOMETHING TO GET HURT.

I'D RATHER WORK ON IT AND GET IT DONE THE RIGHT WAY AND GO THROUGH A CORRECT PROCESS, AS I HEARD MANY OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES SAYING, AND I DON'T MIND IF, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3 OF MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO ADD THESE TYPES OF THINGS INTO OUR PRIORITY LIST FOR THE LEGISLATURE SO WE CAN WORK ON IT.

I'M WILLING TO WORK ON IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I, I ACTUALLY KIND OF FAVOR OR LIKE OR, BUT I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION THAN TO JUST THROW IT AT THE VOTERS.

AND I'M WORRIED THE VOTERS WILL KNOCK IT DOWN BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND.

MAYBE THEY'LL LOVE IT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT THINGS FORWARD THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE CARE OF IS WHAT I THINK, MR. MAYOR. BUT WITH ALL OF THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST? OH, YES. THERE WE GO.

CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR, I BELIEVE, THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS, I THINK, REALLY, AS MISS BLACKMON SAID AND SOME OTHERS IS THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE AT THIS POINT WHETHER WE'RE INTERESTED IN THE TERMS OR OR NOVEMBER BECAUSE THAT THAT DETERMINES THE CONVERSATION.

SO THAT'S ONE PIECE.

THE SECOND PIECE IS I WHAT'S BECOME REALLY CLEAR FROM THIS IS THAT WE DO NEED TO CONVENE OUR OTHER MAY BODIES AND TALK ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE VOTER TURNOUT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER WORKED COLLABORATIVELY ON THOSE KIND OF EFFORTS, AND I KNOW WE SPEND SOME MONEY ON VOTER TURNOUT EFFORTS.

SO MAYBE THERE'S SOME WAYS THAT WE COULD REALLY LEVERAGE THAT AND MORE EFFECTIVELY.

SO THE DECISION, I GUESS, IS IT THE NEXT DECISION THEN STAFF THAT ABOUT THE TERM EXTENSION OR WERE JUST ON NOVEMBER BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE DEPENDENT ON EACH OTHER.

YEAH. WE'RE JUST ON MOVING THE ELECTION DATE.

THE. I BELIEVE THE MOTION CONTAINS SOME LANGUAGE DEPENDENT ON TERM LENGTH, BUT THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE ON IS JUST MOVING THE ELECTION DATE.

[04:40:08]

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON BOARD WITH THAT? OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE NEED TO SEE A GREEN CARD.

IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF MR. WEST'S AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX.

CARTS RAISED IN FAVOR COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

THIS AMENDMENT FAILS, MR. MAYOR. FAILS IS SO HARSH.

IT'S JUST. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT MOVING ON, MR. WEST. IT'S. IT'S TRICKING.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR NUMBER SEVEN? OKAY. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

MAYOR. MAY I POINT OF INFORMATION? YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE THIS PARTICULAR STATEMENT THAT WE DO.

WE STILL LOVE THAT HANGING, CHAD.

POINT OF ORDER.

YEAH, IT WAS PRETTY OUT OF ORDER.

GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. ITEM SEVEN.

IN CHAPTER THREE.

CITY COUNCIL SECTION ONE COMPOSITION OF CITY COUNCIL.

IN CHAPTER THREE, A LIMITATION OF TERMS. I MOVE TO EXTEND COUNCIL TERMS FROM TWO YEARS TO FOUR YEARS.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN? FIVE MINUTES.

THANK EVERYONE. WE ARE ON A MR. WEST AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN IN YOUR BIG PACKET.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THE INTENT WITH THIS AMENDMENT IS TO I MEAN, I THINK WE, WE, ALL OF US WHO ARE UP HERE FOR TWO YEARS, UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES A GOOD TWO YEARS TO FIGURE OUT THE JOB.

AND TO REALLY GET INTO IT AND LEARN HOW TO BE EFFICIENT.

TO BE CAMPAIGNING WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF BEING ELECTED EACH TERM.

AND YOU'RE CONSTANTLY CAMPAIGNING VERSUS BEING ABLE TO FOCUS ON BUSINESS FOR THE DISTRICT.

SO THIS THE INTENT OF THIS MOTION IS TO ALLOW US TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AS CITY REPRESENTATIVES AND ALSO TO YOU KNOW, SAVE MONEY FOR, FOR THE CITY BY LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF ELECTIONS. AND AND THAT'S IT.

I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU.

HEY. WHAT ELSE? SEEING NONE O.

CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO REFLECT EXTENDING THE COUNCIL TERMS FROM TWO YEARS TO THREE YEARS.

OKAY. HIS AMENDMENT CHANGES TO FOUR.

SO YOU MEAN FROM 4 TO 3? CORRECT. OKAY.

THERE'S A SECOND FOR THAT, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE ARE MR. BAZALDUA AMENDMENT TO MR. WEST AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN.

YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT, MR..

BAZALDUA. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS WAS AS WE'VE ALREADY HEARD WITH THE DISCUSSION SO FAR WITH OTHER AMENDMENTS, THIS WAS REALLY ROBUST CONVERSATION.

IN FACT, IT WAS IT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW ROBUST OF A CONVERSATION CAME OUT OF THE COMMISSION TO END IN THE STATUS QUO.

AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

I HEAR IT FROM CONSTITUENTS ON A REGULAR BASIS.

WE KNOW, JUST AS WE'VE TALKED THAT TWO YEARS IS I MEAN, WHEN WHEN LAND USE IS 60, 70% OF OUR JOB PASSING A ZONING CHANGE DOESN'T EVEN RESULT IN SOMETHING TANGIBLE FOR OUR VOTERS TO SEE.

BY THE TIME WE'RE ASKING FOR THEM TO COME BACK AND VOTE FOR US.

AND SO I DO BELIEVE THAT TWO YEARS IS TOO SHORT.

HOWEVER, I BELIEVE FOUR YEARS MAY JUST BE PUSHING IT A LITTLE BIT TOO LONG.

I THINK THAT WE'VE WE HAVE.

ESCAPE THE BULLETS EVERY FOR SEVERAL, SEVERAL CYCLES.

WITH WHO COULD HAVE BEEN IN THESE SEATS IN, IN.

LUCKILY, OUR VOTERS WERE SMARTER.

BUT THERE WERE TIMES WHERE I THINK IT COULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO OUR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS AND OR EVEN THE FUNCTION OF OUR CITY GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THE WRONG PERSON HERE FOR TOO LONG.

AND I BELIEVE FOUR YEARS IS JUST A LITTLE TOO LONG.

SO I THINK THAT THREE YEARS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE.

IT WILL ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERN.

I, OF COURSE, BELIEVE THAT THERE IS TIMING THAT MATTERS, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE I DID NOT MAKE THIS MOTION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE AN INTENT TO BRING FORWARD IF THERE IS THE WILL OF THIS BODY TO HAVE THREE YEAR TERMS TO GO TO THE VOTERS.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THEN PICK UP THE CONVERSATION OF SEEING THAT POTENTIALLY BE STAGGERED.

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SO THAT SO IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING.

THE VOTERS WILL BE ASKED TO GO TO THE BALLOT EVERY SINGLE MAY.

AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IT STRUCTURED.

AND IT'S WITH THE OTHER ENTITY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE NONPARTISAN.

AND SO IF WE ARE TRYING TO INCREASE VOTER TURNOUT AND WE ARE TRYING TO INCREASE PARTICIPATION IN OUR LOCAL NONPARTISAN ELECTIONS, I THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE MOST SENSE FOR US TO SEE HOW WE CAN BAND TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER ENTITY THAT'S ALSO NONPARTISAN, THAT'S ALSO CONSIDERED TO BE LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS AND HOW WE CAN INCREASE THE TURNOUT.

BY THAT. AND I BELIEVE THE SYSTEM THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN DISD WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO COUPLE RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS THAT ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY ALIGNED WITH THE RESPECTIVE SCHOOL BOARD POSITION AND HOPEFULLY SEE AN INCREASE OF TURNOUT BOTH FOR OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT ALSO FOR OUR LOCAL CITY GOVERNMENT.

AND SO FOR FOR THAT, I HOPE TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT FOR A THREE YEAR CHANGE.

BUT THEN I WILL JUST CAVEAT THAT I STILL THINK THAT WE WOULD I'D LOVE TO HEAR FEEDBACK DURING THIS DISCUSSION ON YOUR CONSIDERATION OF STAGGERED THE ABILITY TO HAVE STAGGERED TERMS. I WILL JUST SAY THAT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT ARGUMENT, I THINK THAT THAT IT SAYS SOMETHING WITH A COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT AS AS MISS BLACKMON COMPARED EARLIER, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY IS NOT GOING TO PUT THEMSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE THE ENTIRE BOARD OF DIRECTORS COULD BE WIPED OUT IN ONE SLATE.

I THINK THAT IT IT PROVIDES FOR A LEVEL OF INCONSISTENCY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BE WIPED OUT IN ONE SLATE.

AND SO I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR US TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE WITH THREE YEARS BEFORE EXPLORING THE OPTION OF STAGGERING.

BUT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE REASON I BELIEVE THIS TO BE A GOOD FIX IS TO NOT ONLY INCREASE THE TERMS, BUT ALSO TO LOOK AT MAKING THIS MORE EFFICIENT BECAUSE WHEN WHEN SILLY SEASON COMES AROUND, WE ALL KNOW WHAT SILLY SEASON IS.

WE START BEING CONSCIOUS OF THE ITEMS THAT WE TAKE UP BECAUSE OF POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS.

WE START BEING CONSCIOUS ABOUT THE POLITICS OF THINGS.

AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US HAVE SOME CONTINUITY IN THE WORK AND THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE CONTINUE, NO MATTER WHAT.

WHEN THE ELECTION CYCLE IS COMING UP AND IT ALLOWS US TO JUST ROLL OUR SLEEVES UP AND STAY AT WORK DOING THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS WORK HERE AT CITY HALL.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

PLEASE GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER BASIL, DO I JUST WANT I HAVE TWO CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

NUMBER ONE, IS THIS FOR PLACES ONE THROUGH 14 ONLY.

SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT NOT LEAVING THE MAYOR AT FOUR YEAR TERMS. I'M. YES.

THAT'S THE WAY THAT I MADE IT.

OKAY. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT ON SECTION THREE, A IN CHAPTER THREE OF THE CHARTER, WHICH IS THE LIMITATION OF TERM'S.

RIGHT NOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE LIMITED TO FOUR CONSECUTIVE TWO YEAR TERMS THREE THREE YEAR, THREE THREE YEAR. OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. ACROSS THE BOARD, WITHOUT LOOKING AT EXISTING MEMBERS WHO ARE COMPLETING, LET'S SAY, THREE OF THEIR ELIGIBLE TWO YEARS.

SO EVERYONE STARTS CLEAN, CORRECT.

ACROSS THE ELIGIBLE ACROSS THE BOARD.

THE CHANGE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD ADD A YEAR OF OVERALL ELIGIBILITY FOR TERMS. SO I THINK YOU CAN PUT IT BACK ON US.

YOU CAN. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU BACK YOUR TIME.

I THINK YOU HAVE THAT. DO YOU RELINQUISH THE FLOOR? I JUST WANT TO GIVE IT BACK TO YOU.

IF YOU HAD I BELIEVE I DID GIVE IT GIVE HIM PUT HIM BACK ON.

SINCE THEY'RE ASKING HIM QUESTIONS NOW.

KIND OF A STRANGE REVERSAL OF HOW THIS NORMALLY GOES.

SECOND ROUND, I THINK.

NO, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T. I MEAN, HE KIND OF WAS REALLY DON'T DO ME LIKE THAT.

HE WAS ON HIS FIRST ROUND AND THEY START ASKING HIM QUESTIONS.

SO IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET HIM FINISH HIS FIRST ROUND, GIVE HIM ANOTHER MINUTE AND HIS FIRST ROUND OR WHATEVER OKAY.

THANK YOU. WHO? DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED? YEAH, WE MIGHT JUST HAVE TO WORK WITH YOU.

IN THE MEANTIME, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD ON HOW TO WRITE THE LANGUAGE FOR HOW ALL OF THE TERMING OUT HAPPENS IN THE INTERIM UNTIL EVERYONE IS SERVING THREE

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SO WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE STAGGERED, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD WOULD HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW TO DETERMINE WHAT WHAT HOW THE IMPLEMENTATION WOULD GO.

OKAY. STAGGERED, OF COURSE, WOULD GIVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF OF WHERE WE ARE IN OUR CURRENT TERMS, NOT STAGGERING. IT WOULD PUT US TO A FIXED APPROACH, WHICH WOULD WOULD BE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME.

SO I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION ON PURPOSE.

EVERYONE IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE BAZALDUA AMENDMENT, WHICH I HOPE IS CLEAR NOW WHAT HE'S DOING.

I THINK SO.

THANKS, MAYOR. SO DON'T I DON'T SUPPORT THIS.

I THINK MY COLLEAGUE KNOWS THAT YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE TALKED FOR THE LAST TWO HOURS ABOUT PARTIZAN ELECTIONS AND NOT WANTING TO BE A PART OF THAT.

A THREE YEAR ELECTION CYCLE WOULD ALIGN EVERY OTHER ELECTION WITH PARTIZAN ELECTION YEARS.

IT'S IT'S ALREADY CONFUSING TO VOTERS THAT WE HAVE MAY ELECTIONS.

HOWEVER RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST THEY KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR US ON THE MAY AFTER A PARTIZAN GENERAL ELECTION.

SO THAT'S CONSISTENT.

BY ADDING IN THIS THIRD YEAR THAT'S GOING TO THROW THEM OFF, MAKING IT MORE CONFUSING.

TOP TEN CITIES IN TEXAS, ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT FOR ARLINGTON, HAVE MOVED TOWARDS FOUR YEAR TERMS. THERE'S NOT ANYBODY GOING TOWARDS THREE YEAR TERMS. IF WE WANT TO ALIGN WITH DISD, IF WE'RE IF THAT'S OUR GOAL, WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE DISD TO GET ALIGNED WITH US.

BECAUSE WE ARE THE BIGGEST ENTITY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR THEM TO, TO, YOU KNOW, COME TO THE TABLE ON THAT.

AND THEN I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR MR. BAZALDUA OR FOR STAFF IS IF WE HAVE THREE YEAR TERMS AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MAYOR ON THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW HAS THE MAYOR FIGURED IN HE WOULD YOU KNOW, I THINK HALF THE COUNCIL MIGHT NOT BE SELECTED DURING A MAYORAL CYCLE.

AND I'M NOT SURE HOW FAIR THAT IS TO THE OTHER HALF OF COUNCIL.

SO THESE ARE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT GOING TO A THREE YEAR CYCLE.

FOR ME, IT'S A TWO YEAR, FOUR YEAR.

FOR THOSE REASONS. THANK YOU.

CAN I ANSWER THE QUESTION IF DO YOU WANT DO YOU REALLY WANT HIM TO ANSWER A QUESTION OR NO? ARE YOU ARE YOU ASKING HIM A QUESTION? ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S ON YOUR TIME.

SO SO THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE A ROTATION BECAUSE OF IF IT WERE TO GO INTO A STAGGERED THREE YEAR TERM OPPORTUNITY WHERE ALL DISTRICTS AT SOME POINT WITHIN 12 YEARS WILL LINE UP WITH A MAYORAL CYCLE.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INCONSISTENT THAT THERE IS A DISPARITY BETWEEN ONLY THIS DISTRICT.

AND THIS DISTRICT IS GOING TO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF A MAYORAL TURNOUT.

THAT WOULD THAT WILL THEN CHANGE THE NEXT MAYORAL CYCLE AND WILL ALSO CHANGE THE FOLLOWING MAYORAL CYCLE.

AND IT WOULD MAKE A COMPLETE ROTATION TO EACH OF THE 14 DISTRICTS.

CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AND AS I JUST SAW THE EYES GLAZE OVER WITH THAT EXPLANATION, IT'S LIKE, AND I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I LOVE THE SPIRIT OF IT.

I LOVE THE THOUGHT OF ALIGNING DISD WITH THE CITY.

BUT WHAT I'LL TELL YOU, COLLEAGUES, IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PUTTING A CART BEFORE A HORSE.

THREE YEAR TERMS. WE I THINK THIS WHOLE THING STARTED BECAUSE OF FOLKS WANTING TO INCREASE VOTER TURNOUT AND TO TO ALIGN WITH PROBABLY THE THE LEAST VOTER TURNOUT OF ALL OF OUR GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES, WHICH IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE NEED TO GO.

I THINK THAT THEY'RE PROVING THAT THEY NEED TO CHANGE THEIR MODELS, OR THE STATE NEEDS TO ALLOW THEM TO CHANGE THEIR MODELS TO WHAT THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING.

THE OTHER THING IS, IF PEOPLE ARE ALREADY CONFUSED WITH MAY, WHICH I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED WITH MAY.

COLLEAGUES, I THINK IT'S THAT OVER, OVER TIME THAT HAS BECOME VERY EASY FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN POLITICS, THOSE WHO DO CONSULTING, THOSE WHO DO ALL THAT TYPE OF WORK TO HAVE GOT TO HAVE FOUND THEIR SET OF VOTERS AND THEY DON'T OUTREACH TO ANY MORE. AND I CAN TELL YOU WHY THAT IF YOU'LL WORK AND YOU'LL WORK YOUR DISTRICT.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU GUYS.

I KNOW Y'ALL DO. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHY VOTER TURNOUT IS LOW.

WHEN I RAN IN 2017, 1250 WAS THE RECORD FOR DISTRICT SIX AND VOTERS ABYSMAL, I GET IT.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

BUT THERE'S A REASON FOR IT IS THAT NOBODY WAS ENGAGED WHEN I RAN IN 2017.

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AND WE DOUBLED VOTER TURNOUT FROM THE 2017 15 ELECTION TO THE 2017 ELECTION.

THAT'S HOW YOU GET MORE PEOPLE TO GO VOTE.

IT'S NOT CHANGING DATES.

IT'S NOT CHANGING TERMS. IT'S GOING OUT AND KNOCKING THOSE DOORS AND NOT STICKING TO THE SAME WAY THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE ELECTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT LECTURING ANYBODY ON HERE.

SO PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT THOUGHT, COLLEAGUES.

THIS IS THE FOLKS OUT THERE THAT ARE DOING THIS WORK.

AND WHEN YOU SIT THERE AND YOU KNOCK ON DOORS AND YOU GO FIND MORE VOTERS AND YOU ACTIVATE THEM, THERE ARE TONS OF VOTERS OUT THERE BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO MOVE TO NOVEMBER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE VOTERS SHOW UP.

VOTERS SHOW UP FOR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.

THAT'S JUST WHEN THEY SHOW UP.

GO FIND THOSE VOTERS, TURN THEM INTO MUNICIPAL VOTERS.

AND WE HAVE STAYED AT THAT LEVEL AND INCREASED LITTLE BY LITTLE, INCREMENTALLY, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES TYPICALLY.

AND WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE VOTERS IN DISTRICT SIX.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING, COLLEAGUES, IS THIS IS A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO WHAT I HATE TO WHAT I HATE TO SAY IS THE LAZY WAY TO GET THERE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT NOVEMBER ELECTION, I DON'T MIND IT MOVING TO NOVEMBER.

I REALLY DON'T CARE WHEN YOU HAVE THE ELECTION, WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS TO KEEP IT NONPARTISAN.

YOU WANT IT ON THE NONPARTISAN, BUT TO KEEP THESE CYCLES, IT'S 2 OR 4 AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL BECAUSE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND TWO AND FOUR, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THREE.

AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO THEN STAGGER IT TO EVERY THREE YEARS, THEN YOU HAVE AN ELECTION EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

YES, THERE'S AN ELECTION EVERY SINGLE YEAR, WHICH WAS STATED EARLIER, BUT WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN ONE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

SO WHAT DOES THAT COST US? WE'RE ONLY INVOLVED IN ONE EVERY OTHER YEAR.

IF IF WE DON'T HAVE A BOND ELECTION OR ANY OF THAT STUFF.

BUT THIS BODY IS ALSO DECIDED, AND I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS BODY FOR NOW, SEVEN YEARS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PUSHED TO ANOTHER ELECTION.

SO THAT'S NOT ON THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE GETTING VOTED ON, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S GOING ON.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE FOR THIS AND BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

I YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF IT, THE THREE YEAR THING, BUT IT'S IT'S I MEAN, I ALREADY SAW EYES GLAZING OVER WITH THE EXPLANATION ON HOW TO DO IT, AND IT'S NOTHING AGAINST MY COLLEAGUE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MY, MY COLLEAGUE IS VERY, VERY INTO MAKING SURE MORE PEOPLE GET VOTE.

AND HE'S EXTRAORDINARY IN TRYING TO DO THAT.

IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE TO ME THAT THIS THREE YEAR PART IS NOT GOING.

I DON'T I JUST DON'T SEE IT WORKING AND I SEE IT JUST BECOMING SO HARD BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MAYOR EVERY FOR US EVERY THREE.

THEN YOU HAVE ONE. WHICH NUMBERS? YOU KNOW, I GET IT. I CAN I CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT.

BUT IMAGINE YOUR YOUR REGULAR EVERYDAY, YOUR EVERYDAY CONSTITUENT, JUST YOUR EVERYDAY AVERAGE CONSTITUENT AND THE KNOWLEDGE THEY HAVE ABOUT OUR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT.

AND NOW TRY TO PUT YOURSELF INTO THEIR MIND WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON.

AND AND YOU HEARD IT EARLIER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS.

Y'ALL DON'T GET PAID THAT MUCH.

YOU ONLY GET THAT. AND AND THESE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY IN THE KNOW, LIKE THEY, THEY LIKE TO SAY THAT THEY KEEP UP AND THEY DO.

BUT IT'S A LOT TO KEEP UP WITH IN THIS BUILDING A LOT.

AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE CONFUSING FOR VOTERS OR FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE IN HERE, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT ANYWHERE ELSE YOU GO.

IT WAS JUST STATED, NOBODY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL IS DOING THREE YEAR TERMS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ISD'S NOT ONE SINGLE CITY.

WHY WOULD WE WANT TO BE THE FIRST? THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

I JUST, I SO I JUST CAN'T THIS ONE, I CAN'T IF I WENT TO FOUR, MAYBE TWO.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE EVEN.

KEEP IT, KEEP THINGS SIMPLE.

I THINK EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OTHER ISSUE, MR. MAYOR, WHERE WE, WE CALLED IT WE WANTED THE KISS METHOD ON SOMETHING, AND IT WAS LIKE THERE'S A REASON THAT IT WAS THAT, WELL, LET'S LET'S KEEP IT THE KISS METHOD WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING, WHICH IS LET'S KEEP IT SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT OUR VOTERS DON'T HAVE AN EVEN HARDER TIME TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT WITH THREE YEAR STAGGERED TERMS. FOUR YEAR FOR THE MAYOR, THREE YEAR OVER HERE.

BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S JUST I THINK THAT THAT IS A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

AND I THINK WE WILL SEE AN EVEN MORE ABYSMAL VOTER TURNOUT HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND THAT'S NOT THE GOAL HERE.

I DON'T THINK, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN MORENO. YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, I THINK I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT BY CHAIR WEST.

I APPRECIATE YOU TO GET BACK ON THE OTHER AMENDMENT THEN.

I KNOW IT'S THEORETICALLY THE SAME THING, BUT TECHNICALLY YOU NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT MR. BAZALDUA AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A THREE YEAR AMENDMENT.

SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE VIRTUES OF, THANK YOU, OKAY, OR BAD THINGS ABOUT THREE OR GOOD THINGS ABOUT THREE.

GOT IT. GOOD OR BAD. SO I DO I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

ALL THE BAD REASONS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA OR STAFF.

AND MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T HEAR THIS, BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHEN THE THREE YEAR TERMS WERE TAKEN TO EFFECT, WOULD THAT BE 2025 OR 2027? I BELIEVE IT WOULD.

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OKAY. OKAY.

GOT IT. THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.

WELL, HOLD ON A SECOND. WHAT? DO YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR? YES, MAYOR. SO MY QUESTION WAS, IF A THREE YEAR TERM WOULD TAKE EFFECT IN 2025 OR IN 2027, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT DATE WE WOULD SET TO THE VOTERS.

I DON'T THINK. MR. DOWD, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER RIGHT NOW.

HE. I THOUGHT HE WAS JUST.

I'M ASKING COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

OKAY, THEN YOU'RE PERFECTLY IN ORDER.

THANK YOU. NO, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THIS BODY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE TO THE VOTERS.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD BE BOUND FOR ONE OR THE OTHER.

DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? I'M OPEN TO HEARING.

I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY GO TO OUR NEXT UNIFORMED ELECTION DATE IF IT WAS JUST PASSED IN NOVEMBER, WHICH WOULD BE MAY OF 2025. OKAY.

THANK YOU MAYOR. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON THE THREE.

THE BAZALDUA AMENDMENT CHANGES IT TO THREE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD TRANSITION FROM THE TWO YEAR TERMS CURRENTLY TO THREE YEAR TERMS. STAGGERED. WOULDN'T THAT MEAN THAT ONE THIRD OF THE COUNCIL, FIVE MEMBERS OR FOUR MEMBERS, WOULD HAVE TO RUN FOR ONE YEAR TERMS INITIALLY, ANOTHER THIRD WOULD RUN FOR TWO YEAR TERMS, AND THEN THE LAST THIRD WOULD RUN FOR THREE YEAR TERMS. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE GOING TO STAGGER IT.

YES. YOU HAVE TO GET TO WHERE EVERYONE'S ON THE CYCLE.

SO YES, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME CHANGES TO HOW LONG EACH INDIVIDUAL CURRENTLY ON COUNCIL RUNS FOR.

SO ONE YEAR TERMS FOR SOME OF COUNCIL, TWO YEAR TERMS FOR SOME THREE YEAR TERMS FOR SOME, YES.

SO IF THE OBJECTIVE IS TO REDUCE THE FREQUENCY OF OUR HAVING TO RUN CAMPAIGNS FOR TWO THIRDS OF THIS COUNCIL, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING OR IT WOULD REDUCE THE TIME BETWEEN RUNNING FOR, FOR THAT ONE TIME.

YES. BUT YOU KNOW, OVER ONCE YOU GET TO THE THREE YEAR TERMS AND YOU'RE ONLY RUNNING EVERY THREE YEARS, AND THEN HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT TERM LIMITS IN THE TRANSITION? WOULD SOME PEOPLE BE LIMITED TO 6 OR 7 YEARS INSTEAD OF EIGHT, AND SOME WOULD BE LIMITED TO NINE.

THAT WOULD BE A DECISION THE BODY CAN MAKE.

AND THE BODY CAN DICTATE EXACTLY HOW THE MECHANIC WORKS.

BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW LONG PEOPLE CAN SERVE WHO'VE BEEN SERVING.

SO UP TO NOW.

WELL, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

AND I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO WORK ON THIS BECAUSE THIS HAS JUST COME UP.

BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER.

I CAN GET THAT TO YOU.

THIS WAS WORK THAT WAS DONE AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL.

THEY DID EVALUATE SOME OF THE SCENARIOS AND SOME OF THE PROPOSALS.

SO I CAN GIVE YOU, AT THE VERY LEAST, SOME EXAMPLES OF, OF THE PROPOSALS FOR YOUR AND DID THEY CONSIDER STAGGERED TERMS? YES. WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT STAGGERED TERMS. THE DESIRABILITY OF STAGGERED TERMS THERE, THERE WAS SOME SOME THERE WERE SOME COMMISSIONERS, I SHOULD SAY THAT SUPPORTED STAGGERING TERMS. ULTIMATELY, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN THAT THAT PUTS BOTH FROM AN ELECTION STANDPOINT ON STAFF AS WELL AS ON THE VOTERS WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THINGS.

SO THE STAGGERING OF TERMS WAS ULTIMATELY DONE AWAY WITH BECAUSE I THINK I WOULD I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN WAS PROBABLY THAT THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND STAGGERED TERMS. NOW, THE OTHER REASON WAS IN CONJUNCTION AS AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING, THIS HAS BEEN A COMPLEX CONVERSATION WHERE THEY WERE ALSO CONSIDERING THE ELECTION DATE AND TO KEEP IT NONPARTISAN IF THEY WANTED, IF IF THEIR GOAL WAS TO HAVE A NOVEMBER ELECTION DATE AND HAVE NONPARTISAN ELECTIONS, THEN THREE YEAR TERMS WOULDN'T WORK ANYWAYS.

AND STAGGERED TERMS. SO CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WORK WITH WITH THAT EITHER IF THERE ODD NUMBER.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

MRS BLACKMON YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES, YOUR MAJESTY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

SO I GUESS SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.

THE MAYOR STAYS TWO, FOUR YEAR TERMS. IT'S ON THE TABLE. IS THAT WE ARE AT THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THREE STAGGERED.

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OKAY, SO THE STAGGERED WAS JUST A COMMENT, NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE MOTION.

THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT POINT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION THAT THEN THERE'S A ONE EVERY YEAR.

BUT AND THAT WOULD ADD, I GUESS, AT $1 MILLION PER ELECTION IN A 30 YEAR TIME PERIOD, THAT WOULD BE $30 MILLION VERSUS IF YOU JUST HAD IT.

I'M LOOKING AT THE COST OF THIS.

SO IN A 30 YEAR TIME PERIOD, IF YOU HAVE 15 ELECTIONS FOR EVEN YEARS VERSUS FOR THREE YEARS, THAT'S TEN ELECTIONS, THAT'S A $5 MILLION SAVINGS.

I'M JUST JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS AS A NUMBER.

BECAUSE IF WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR PENNIES EVERYWHERE.

AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMENT MEANING THAT THIS IS PARTIZAN.

MAY ELECTIONS ARE NOT PARTIZAN.

THE PRIMARIES ARE IN MARCH.

SO IN PRIMARY VOTERS ARE DIFFERENT THAN MUNICIPAL VOTERS.

AND SO TO SAY THAT, ARE THEY COMING OUT EVERY YEAR YOU MAY GET SOME CROSSOVER.

SO I'M JUST THAT'S JUST A FACT.

AND SO I DO THINK THAT MAY PEOPLE DO TEND TO VOTE WHEN THERE IS A RACE PEOPLE THE VOTE ACTUALLY WHEN THERE'S A CONTESTED CONVERSATION, I GUESS IS THE IS THE POINT THEN THE THE TURNOUT USUALLY RISES.

SO I GUESS IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR TURNOUT, IT IS IN NOVEMBER.

I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT. BUT I THINK THAT SHIP HAS SAILED AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE TERMS. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A THREE YEAR NO STAGGERED IS IN THE CONVERSATION.

CORRECT. OKAY.

RIGHT. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO CHANGE THE FOUR YEARS TO THREE AND IT WOULD BE THREE THREE YEAR TERMS UNTIL YOU'RE TERMED OUT.

OKAY. AND IF THIS PASSES, I ASSUME THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT IF STAGGERED COMES BACK.

IF THE WORD STAGGERED COMES IN, IS THAT THE WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF TRANSITIONING FROM WHAT WE HAVE NOW TO THE THREE YEAR TERMS, LIKE WE WORKED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WEST ON THE LANGUAGE FOR THE LIMITATION OF TERMS OF WHO WOULD TERM OUT WHEN.

OKAY, OKAY.

THANK YOU. MR. WEST, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR EITHER MR. BAZALDUA OR STAFF.

SO WITH THE THREE YEARS TERM, THREE YEARS, THREE TERMS, WHERE WOULD THE MAYORAL ELECTION FALL ON THAT? WOULD THAT BE DURING ONE? BECAUSE I HEARD YOUR ANSWER WHEN WE WERE STAGGERING.

BUT IF WE'RE NOT STAGGERING, WHERE DOES THE MAYORAL ELECTION FALL? SO IF WE WERE NOT STAGGERING, I WOULD THEN WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MAYORAL TERMS ALSO, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL BEING THREE YEARS AS WELL.

SO ARE YOU ADDING THAT TO YOUR MOTION OR.

NO, NO, NO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE WILL OF THE BODY.

AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE CONTINGENT ON WHERE THE WILL IS ON, ON.

IF WE IF IT'S EVEN A CONVERSATION TO HAVE GOT IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'LL STAND BY MY ORIGINAL REASONING.

I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE COST TO US.

THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS IS CONFUSING TO THE VOTERS.

I WOULD SUPPORT A TWO OR A FOUR YEAR, AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

ANYONE O MR. BAZALDUA. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I JUST WOULD WOULD SAY THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME DATA, HONESTLY WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT VOTER TURNOUT AND, LIKE THE INCREASE, WHAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN BROKEN DOWN IS I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF IF IS IT A JUST A NOTION, A SPECULATION THAT WE, IF WE WERE ALIGNED WITH OUR RESPECTIVE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER ELECTIONS, THAT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY INCREASE BOTH THAT TURNOUT AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

VERSUS JUST THE STAND ALONE OF EITHER OR AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I, WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SPREADING BOTH OF THEM VERY THIN.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF HISTORICALLY, WHEN THEY HAVE MATCHED UP BECAUSE THEY ARE EVERY THREE YEARS, HAS THAT BEEN AN INCREASE IN TURNOUT FOR THOSE RESPECTIVE COUNCIL DISTRICTS? UNDERSTOOD. AND THEN I WANTED TO JUST ADDRESS THE THE TRANSITION QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

THERE I DO HAVE A PRINTOUT.

THERE WERE LIKE THREE THAT WERE TURNED IN DURING COMMISSION.

THERE WAS ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT I THOUGHT WAS THE THE MOST SEAMLESS IT IT WAS A SCENARIO THAT INCLUDED STAGGERING.

I'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A COPY OF THAT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

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AND SO IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION TO GO IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THE ONLY DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE UP ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE UP. IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE US TO STILL ALL HAVE AN ELECTION.

SO I'VE ASKED MY STAFF TO PRINT OUT THE SCENARIO THAT I REMEMBER FROM THAT COMMISSION PROCESS AND WILL WILL AND I'D LOVE FOR WELL, I GUESS LET'S JUST SEE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS THREE YEAR CONVERSATION BEFORE WE CAN MOVE TO REALLY ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF.

THAT'S, I THINK, THE ORDER OF THESE REALLY MATTER.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I WAS LISTENING.

AND IF LEAVING THE MAYOR AT FOUR YEARS AND THE COUNCIL EVERY THREE.

AND SO THE MATH THAT WAS SAID EARLIER IS CORRECT FOR JUST THE COUNCIL, NOT THE MAYOR, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE AN ELECTION EVERY FOUR YEARS FOR THE MAYOR.

SO THREE YEAR TERMS IS 20, 30, 30, 20, 27, 2030, 2033, 2036, 2039.

SO I'M JUST DOING FIVE ELECTIONS.

THAT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL.

2027 IS BOTH.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE WHATEVER FOUR IS.

THAT'S 2031 WHICH IS A YEAR AFTER THE COUNCIL.

SO IT'S BY ITSELF THE MAYOR.

YOU'RE THE MAYOR'S COME BACK TERM BECAUSE I GUESS TO EXTEND TO SEND THEM I'M JUST PLAYING AROUND WITH THAT.

BUT I'M TRYING TO YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE TRYING TO SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

IT'S LIKE YOU'LL HAVE A THIS IS THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.

EVERY THREE YEARS IS A COUNCIL.

AND SO THEN A YEAR FOLLOWING THE COUNT, THE FULL COUNCIL ELECTION, YOU HAVE THE MAYOR BY BY HIS OR HERSELF AND THEN YOU.

AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER YOU HAVE THE FULL COUNCIL WITH NO MAYOR.

AND THEN IT'S THE WAY IT STAGGERS, BECAUSE THE FOUR YEARS AND THE THREE YEARS, IT'S NOT AN ELECTION EVERY THREE YEARS IT IS.

BUT JUST FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS PROPOSAL THEN PUTS LEAVES THE MAYOR ON THE SAME REGULAR MAYORAL CYCLE.

SO IT'S IT DOESN'T ADD UP.

AS FOR ME, AS FAR AS BECAUSE YOU END UP HAVING THE SAME NUMBER OF MAYORAL ELECTIONS IN THAT SAME NUMBER OF YEARS, THAT THE MATH THAT WAS SAID.

AND THEN YOU ONLY HAVE SAVINGS IF AND WHEN THE MAYOR FALLS ON THE SAME CYCLE, WHICH IS EVERY OTHER MAYORAL ELECTION, BECAUSE IT'S EVERY 12 YEARS IN ORDER TO GET THE THREE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SEE THAT? SO IT'S YOU ACTUALLY HAVE ADDED ELECTIONS INTO THE SAME 30 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE MAYOR BEING AT 12.

SO THAT'S THE PART THAT YEAH, YOU SAVE ON THE COUNCIL SIDE, BUT THEN YOU SPEND IT ON THE MAYOR'S SIDE BECAUSE OF THE FOUR YEARS.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S IT'S NOT REALLY SAVING ANY MONEY.

SO I IT'S JUST TOO CONFUSING.

I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS TO OUR VOTERS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. BAZALDUA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE.

MR. NARVAEZ, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

THAT WAS EXTREMELY CONFUSING.

SO. AND IT WAS LITERALLY NOTHING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN MY MOTION.

IN FACT, I CLEARED UP EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED.

I CLEARED UP THAT THE THREE WOULD NEED TO BE STAGGERED FOR IT TO WORK OUT TO TO.

I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO IT'S IT'S IMPERATIVE TO LISTEN TO IT, TO UNDERSTAND IT.

AND AND SO IF IT WAS STAGGERED, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR IT TO LINE UP IN THE FOUR YEAR CYCLE.

IF IT WAS NOT THE WILL OF THE BODY TO GO TO A STAGGERED AND GET THREE YEARS, THEN WHAT, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS THAT THAT'S WHEN I WOULD THEN BRING IN THE PROPOSAL FOR THE MAYOR TO TO ALSO MATCH UP WITH THE THREE YEAR CYCLE WITH THE COUNCIL.

SO I WAS NOT PROPOSING THAT CONFUSING SCENARIO THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE NOW THAT WAS YOU HAD ONE MINUTE LEFT.

SO WAS THAT YOUR. WERE YOU DONE? DONE. SO I GUESS WE'RE ON MR. NARVAEZ FOR ONE MINUTE.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND SO, MR. MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND.

SO THIS IS WHAT'S CONFUSING IS THAT WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT ONLY CHANGES THE COUNCIL TO EVERY THREE.

AND THEN IT'S LIKE. BUT I WANT BUT IF I DO THIS AND IT WINS, THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE TWO NEW ONES.

SO IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR TWO OTHER AMENDMENTS AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH ACTUALLY I KIND OF FEEL IS OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T BE DEALING WITH MULTIPLE MOTIONS INSIDE OF A MOTION THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN VOTING ON THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S GETTING CONFUSING, IS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THIS ONE, WHICH IS JUST THE COUNCIL, AND IT'S THE COUNCIL AT THREE YEAR

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THERE'S NOTHING STAGGERING WE'RE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE VOTING ON THIS.

AND THAT'S THE THREE AND FOUR.

WHAT IF WE GET TO STAGGERING AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO STAGGER THEM.

WE'RE AT THREE AND FOUR.

SO THAT'S IF WE'RE STARTING HERE.

YOU GOT TO START HERE.

WE CAN'T START GOING DOWN THE PATH BECAUSE WE MAY NOT GET TO THE NEXT STEP.

AND SO THAT'S WHY NOT I'M NOT WILLING TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S TOO MANY MOTIONS THAT ARE INDICATIVE OF THE OTHER.

AND WE GET TO THE OTHER AND THEN IT FAILS.

ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE IT BACK NOW? I'M NOT I'M NOT FOR IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE BAZALDUA MOTION, WHICH PUTS IT AT THREE YEARS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

THAT'S WHAT IT DOES.

PLEASE SHOW A GREEN CARD IF YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE BAZALDUA MOTION.

THREE YEARS FOR THE COUNCIL.

MR.. YEAH, YEAH, WE GOT TO SHOW A CARD NOW, I THINK I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR.

SCHULTZ. WILLIS.

THAT'S SO THAT'S SO NICE.

BAZALDUA. I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO BE.

WITH FEW CARDS. WITH WITH THE MINORITY OF THE CARS RAISED IN FAVOR. THIS AMENDMENT FAILS, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, SO NOW WE ARE BACK ON AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN AS IT WAS MOVED BY MR. WEST. HE'S THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS SPOKEN.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN BY MR. WEST, WHICH IS A FOUR YEAR TERM FOR THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY SEEING NO ONE ELSE.

PLEASE INDICATE SUPPORT OF THAT WITH A GREEN CARD WITH CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

SCHULTZ. WILLIS.

STEWART. RIDLEY.

BAZALDUA. YOU NEED A CARD.

OH, YOU GOT IT. OKAY. RESENDEZ.

WEST, GRACEY AND MORENO THAT WITH NINE CARS RAISED IN FAVOR, THIS AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD.

OKAY, SO WE ARE NOW ON AMENDMENT EIGHT BY MR. BAZALDUA. IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT ONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I MOVE TO ADD A PREAMBLE TO THE CITY CHARTER THAT DECLARES OUR CITY TO BE AN EQUITABLE DEMOCRACY, HIGHLIGHTS OUR DIVERSITY AND RESILIENCY, CHAMPIONS EQUITY, COMMUNITY EMPOWERMENT AND ACCESSIBILITY.

RECOGNIZES INDIGENOUS GROUPS WHO INHABITED OUR LAND.

THIS LAND ACKNOWLEDGES OUR HISTORY AND PLEDGES TO BUILD A JUST AND EQUITABLE CITY FOR ALL.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

MR. BAZALDUA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THE DISCUSSION ON THAT? YES. FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. I WAS HEARING FROM SOME RESIDENTS DURING THE CHARTER COMMISSION PROCESS AND ASKED WHY OUR CITY DID NOT HAVE A PREAMBLE AND THEN WAS GIVEN SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF OTHER CITIES LARGE CITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT DO, IN FACT HAVE A PREAMBLE SIMILAR TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AS MENTIONED, THE TRIBES INDIGENOUS LAND AND SPECIFIC INFORMATION TO THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION.

AND THIS IS MORE ABOUT JUST SHORING UP WHAT OUR CITY STANDS FOR.

THAT IS THE THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING DOCUMENT OF WHAT OUR BODIES WORK.

IS PRIORITIZING.

I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE INCLUSIVITY AND EQUITABLE APPROACH THAT WE HAVE IN OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

AND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN CITIES LIKE LA AND CHICAGO, NEW YORK CITY DC AND SEVERAL OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE THIS AS WELL.

AND SO IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE UP THIS AS WELL.

I'VE ALREADY BEEN MADE AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME GRAMMATICAL ERRORS THAT WE CAN GET SOME EDITS DONE.

AND I'M OPEN TO ANY EDITS THAT ARE SUGGESTED BY ANY COLLEAGUES.

SO JUST TO A REMINDER THAT PUSHING THIS FORWARD DOESN'T PROHIBIT US THE ABILITY TO FINE COMB THE THE LANGUAGE BEFORE MAKING THE FINAL VOTE TO THE REFERENDUM.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR.

OKAY, MR. MORENO, FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

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I DO HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE HOW THIS BINDS THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

A PREAMBLE IS REALLY A PRELIMINARY STATEMENT, LIKE A PURPOSE STATEMENT.

SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT AN ENFORCEABLE STATEMENT.

OKAY. AND HAVE WE HAD AN ANALYSIS OF THE COST IMPLICATIONS TO THIS, FOR EXAMPLE? YEAH. JUST WANT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ON HOW IT WOULD ADD A COST TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

NO, WE HAVE NOT.

OKAY. AND THEN FOR EXAMPLE, ON MENTAL HEALTH CARE, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OUR GOVERNING BODY BETWEEN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE COUNTY, AND THAT BEING UNDER THE COUNTY ON MENTAL, ON HEALTH.

NO, WE'VE NOT DONE ANY SORT OF OUTREACH OR ANALYSIS ON THE CONTENTS OF THIS PREAMBLE.

OKAY. AND THEN ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN BE VERY BROAD.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A BETTER DEFINITION OF EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE REFERENCING.

I'M GOING TO DEFER TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA BECAUSE THIS THIS IS HIS LANGUAGE.

AND SO I, I'M NOT THE ONE ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

SO MY QUESTION IS ON IF YOU CAN MAYBE ELABORATE ON THE ACCESSIBLE TO INFRASTRUCTURE EXACTLY WHAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE ARE YOU REFERENCING? WELL, I I THINK IT'S IT'S AS VAGUELY PUT BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH IS COVERED IN THAT STATEMENT.

OKAY. SO ALL INFRASTRUCTURE.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT? MR. BAZALDUA. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES, I BELIEVE, OR ONE MINUTE.

MR. RIDLEY CAME IN THE QUEUE AS WELL.

SO THEN YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES, MR. RIDLEY. YEAH.

IF YOU UNLESS YOU'VE TALKED ALREADY, YOU GET GREAT.

WELL, MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT IT SEEMS TO IMPOSE ON THE CITY OBLIGATIONS OVER WHICH WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY, PARTICULARLY EDUCATION AND TRANSPORTATION, WHICH ARE THE BAILIWICK OF OTHER ENTITIES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SO I JUST THINK THIS UNCOMFORTABLY BROADENS THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE CITY IS EXPECTED TO PROVIDE IN THE FORM OF SERVICES BEYOND OUR CURRENT AUTHORITY AND BEYOND OUR CAPABILITIES, FRANKLY.

SO I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE.

MR. BAZALDUA.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR HOW MANY MINUTES? THREE. WELL, TWO.

WE STILL BOTH OF OUR NOW.

MR. NARVAEZ IS IN THERE.

OH, BOTH OF THEM HAVE THEIR HANDS UP.

I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM AT ALL.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO WITH MISS WILLIS FIRST THIS TIME AND THEN MISS SCHULTZ.

I DON'T LOOK OVER THERE, GUYS.

YOU'RE MISSING OUT.

SO, MR. BAZALDUA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU REGARDING THIS LANGUAGE.

IS THIS LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN LIFTED FROM ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY? NO, THIS WAS NOT LIFTED.

THIS WAS DONE BY DESIREE AND MY OFFICE, MY COMMUNICATIONS, AND SHE USED EXAMPLES FROM OTHER CITIES, BUT MADE IT SPECIFIC AND REFLECTIVE TO THE DALLAS HISTORY.

OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

HAS ANYONE REVIEWED THIS FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT? I MEAN, YEAH, WE ARE WAITING FOR CONFIRMATION ON THE TRIBE LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY.

BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONFLICTING HISTORICAL ARCHIVES BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY REACHING OUT TO THE RESPECTIVE TRIBES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE 100% ACCURATE LANGUAGE BEFORE THE FINAL VOTES ARE TAKEN.

AND, MISS WILLIS, I'LL ALSO JUST ADD, IN ADDITION, THE ARCHIVIST HAS LOOKED AT THIS, AND THERE WAS THERE WERE NO OTHER ISSUES FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT THAT THAT WAS JUST THE ONE THAT HE RAISED.

OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. AND THEN CITY ATTORNEY PALOMINO, YOU HAD SAID THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS THAT BINDS THE CITY.

SO EVEN IF THIS IS MORE LIKE A VISION STATEMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IT'S ABOUT WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR RESIDENTS, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY OF DALLAS AS A MUNICIPALITY DIRECTLY AFFECTS.

IS THAT THE CASE? YES. IT'S AN INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT TO OUR CHARTER.

SO EVEN IF MENTAL HEALTH OR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN ASPECTS OF TRANSPORTATION AREN'T UNDER SPECIFICALLY UNDER THE CITY OF DALLAS'S PURVIEW, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T WANT THE

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IS THAT FAIR? I THINK IT IS A FAIR STATEMENT.

OKAY. WELL THANK YOU.

I'M, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT IT'S NOT AN ITEM IN THE CHARTER ITSELF, BUT RATHER SETS THE TONE FOR THE DALLAS WE ARE AND HOPE TO BECOME.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

OKAY, WE'RE BACK TO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

FOR WHAT? ONE MINUTE.

SCHULTZ. OH, GOSH.

THE PEOPLE ON THE SCREEN AGAIN.

SORRY, CHAIRMAN SCHULTZ, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

SORRY. THAT DARN COVID MAKES ME NOT BE NEAR YOU.

SO. BUT WE WE ARE VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE A PREAMBLE, NOT THIS PREAMBLE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT SHE WANTS TO KNOW.

ARE WE VOTING ON THE EXACT PREAMBLE YOU READ OR A PREAMBLE? A PREAMBLE OR THAT PREAMBLE? WELL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT NO VOTES TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE STRAW.

VOTING IS EXTREME, IS BINDING, AND THAT CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE MADE.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE FINE TUNING OF THE LANGUAGE IS IS STILL ABLE TO BE EDITED AND VERIFIED ON, ON SOME RESPECT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M OPEN TO HEARING FROM YOU ALL'S EDITS.

WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT FINALIZED YET, AND I WOULD HATE TO HAVE US NOT PUT IT IN AT ALL BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE THIS WORD OR THAT WORD OR THIS PIECE OR THAT.

AND SO MY QUESTION, I GUESS, FOR STAFF, OR IS IT DIRECTLY WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA THAT WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW THIS, THESE ARE THE EDITS THAT I THINK AND DO WE WILL WE BE VOTING ON THIS FINAL LANGUAGE OF THE PREAMBLE BEFORE IT GOES TO THE VOTERS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WHAT IS YOUR VISION FOR THAT? MY MY VISION WAS THAT IF THIS WENT PAST THIS PRELIMINARY ROUND THAT I WOULD SEND AN EMAIL OUT TO YOU ALL AND GIVE A DATE TO REQUEST THAT YOU ALL GIVE SUGGESTED EDITS BACK AND THAT WE WOULD THEN WORK.

I WOULD WORK DIRECTLY WITH YOU ALL.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE SOME VETTING AND CONFIRMING FROM RESEARCH WITH STAFF THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET DONE AS WELL.

I THINK THE PARLIAMENTARIAN HAS A SO YOU WON'T GO FORWARD WITH A FALSE UNDERSTANDING OR MISUNDERSTANDING.

I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT SHE THINKS, THE HOW THAT WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO HAPPEN.

RIGHT. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CHANGES THAT WERE WERE GOING TO BE MAKING ARE GRAMMATICAL CHANGES WHICH WE CAN MAKE AND JUST VERIFICATION OF SOME TRIBAL LANGUAGE.

BUT BEYOND THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT FROM THE FLOOR.

BUT YOU'RE ASKING FOR JUST EDITS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THIS IS WHAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD, NOT AND THOSE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE FROM THE FLOOR.

CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, I'M COMMITTED TO MAKING THE EDITS NECESSARY SO THAT IT IS COMMITTED TO, FROM THE FLOOR, MAKING THE EDITS NECESSARY.

CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

I THINK IT'S A IT'S A NOBLE IT'S A NOBLE VENTURE.

AND THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE THIS IN OUR CHARTER.

I THINK IT'S AS MUCH A STATEMENT TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO UNDERSTAND OUR CITY BETTER.

SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT CAUSE, AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I THINK ACTUALLY, I GOT TO GO TO THE MAYOR PRO TEM NOW FOR FIVE MINUTES.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

AND MRS BLACKMON.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

WELL. YOU'RE IN THERE TOO.

YEAH. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN PROTOCOL, THAT'S ALL.

SIR. THANK YOU.

SO I ACTUALLY WAS READING.

I BELIEVE IT IS. YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE IN JUST EVEN THE LANGUAGE IN THE FORMAT, WHICH I GUESS WE'RE RESEMBLING THE CONSTITUTION.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, IF I COULD MAKE THIS QUESTION MAIER TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

I THINK I HEARD SOMEONE I DON'T WANT TO SAY CONFUSED, BUT I'M QUESTIONING THE INCLUSION OF QUALITY AND TRAUMA INFORMED CHILD AND YOUTH EDUCATORS AS PART OF OUR CHARTER BECAUSE WE DON'T MANAGE EDUCATION.

IT SAYS THAT I DON'T HAVE THE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME.

RIGHT. THIS I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY COPY WENT, BUT I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO ONE OF THE FIRST STATEMENTS THAT SPEAKS SPECIFIC TO WE ENDEAVOR TO ENSURE THAT EVERY RESIDENT WHO

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ALL RIGHT. WELL, JUST FROM ME, I CAN IF WE'RE ABLE TO IF I HAD TO, I WOULD STRIKE THAT MAINLY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO FURTHER CONFUSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO REALLY WERE PROBABLY ABSENT DURING THEIR GOVERNMENT CLASS, TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE JURISDICTION AS IT RELATES TO EDUCATION AND EDUCATORS AND THE TRAINING THAT GOES AROUND TRAUMA, MENTAL HEALTH, THAT'S NOT A FUNCTION OF THE CITY.

IT'S THE INFERENCE HERE.

IF WE INCLUDE IT, IT'S THE INFERENCE THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT AND WE DON'T MANAGE THAT.

WHEN I WAS CERTIFIED AND MOST I'M CERTIFIED BY THE STATE, NOT BY THE CITY.

AND SO WHEN I'M WHEN WE WERE TRAINED, THE TRAINING WAS MANDATED BY THE STATE DOWN TO THE DISTRICT.

SO I'M KIND OF I'M REALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT US LEAVING THAT IN THERE.

AND OF COURSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE A FEW OTHER THINGS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCURATE ON OUR EXCUSE ME, OUR OUR INDIGENOUS GROUPS.

AND I WANT TO SPEND JUST A LITTLE TIME WEIGHING THE STATEMENT AS IT RELATES TO SLAVERY.

ENSLAVED AFRICANS, I SHOULD SAY.

WELL, IT'S REPARATIONS, BECAUSE IF WE KEEP ON, WE WILL.

I'LL CONNECT REPARATIONS TO IT.

AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SETTING OURSELVES UP IN THE LANGUAGE FOR THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF MANY OF YOU KNOW ABOUT REPARATIONS AND WHAT THESE EXTENDED ARGUMENTS ARE, BUT THEY'RE NETWORKING INTO.

AND SO WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT INTO THE HISTORY AND THEN BRING IT INTO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE CITY.

SO AND THAT'S JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I TAUGHT GOVERNMENT SO IN HISTORY.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

PROBABLY LOST SOME OF THE ONES WHO HAD, YOU KNOW, THE YOUNGER ONES WHO TOOK, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION AND WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, TEKES, THE TEKES KIND OF PRECLUDED US FROM TALKING ABOUT REPARATIONS AND HISTORY.

AND WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, THE CRITICAL RACE THEORY.

OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO STAY WOKE.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

BUT I APPRECIATE MR. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA FOR WORKING ON THIS CHART, THIS THIS PREAMBLE, I REALLY DO.

THANK YOU. YOU HAVE TO STAY WOKE.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE FINALLY BACK TO.

I'M GOING TO TAKE IT OUT OF ORDER.

I'M GOING TO GO. I'M GOING TO GO WITH MISS.

MISS BLACKMON.

YEAH. FIVE.

YEAH. FIVE MINUTES.

OKAY. SO MY QUESTION, I GUESS TO.

AND YES, MISTER BAZALDUA, YOU CAN USE MY TIME.

THIS PREAMBLE IS OPEN FOR EDITS BECAUSE OKAY.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE FOR THE CONSTITUTION, IT'S A LITTLE IT'S NOT AS LONG AS THIS ONE.

AND WE HAVE ALL HAD TO MEMORIZE IT.

AND I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY MEMORIZING THIS SHEET.

SURE, I THE INTENT IS NOT FOR IT TO BE MEMORIZED, TO BE FRANK.

OKAY. BUT THE I, I AM OPEN TO EDITS 100%.

I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE ATTORNEYS HAVE SAID THOUGH IF IT IS OF SUBSTANCE, IT WILL NEED TO BE MADE AS AN AMENDMENT OF THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT ON THE FLOOR.

CORRECT? YEAH. OTHER THAN GRAMMATICAL.

SO I'M OPEN TO EDITS BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF OUR CITY.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ONE VOICE.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING FORWARD TO GIVE US A STARTING POINT.

AND I LOVE THE IDEA, BUT AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS ON THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.

WOULD THIS BE PRINTED ON IT? THE WHOLE PREAMBLE WOULD NOT BE IN THE PROPOSITION.

THE PROPOSITION WOULD SUMMARIZE THE PREAMBLE, BECAUSE THE PROPOSITIONS DON'T CONTAIN ALL OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO EACH CHARTER CHANGE.

OKAY. SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS SHEET.

AND THEN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS WE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO AND IF WE GET THIS SO WE CAN SHARE THIS WITH FOLKS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN DRAFT TO GET SOME BUY IN, SOME FEEDBACK, SOME UNDERSTANDING.

BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS THIS IS THEIR PREAMBLE.

IT'S AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE THE PERSON PEOPLE VOTING ON IT, BUT IT IS QUITE LONG, QUITE EXTENSIVE.

AND SO I'M THINKING WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY TIGHTEN THE LANGUAGE.

THAT'S JUST MY FEELING BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE BROAD AND IT NEEDS TO BE NARROWED.

AND AND WHILE WE WANT TO BE ALL TO EVERYBODY, WE PROBABLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT OF HOW WE WE CAN STAY IN OUR LANE, BUT ACTUALLY BE

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SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU.

ARE YOU, YOUR MAJESTY? ARE YOU FINISHED? ALL RIGHT.

NOW WE'LL GO TO CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND I WANT TO SAY, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS.

I THINK THIS IS A.

I CAN'T BELIEVE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE BEFORE, RIGHT? SO. BECAUSE MOST DOCUMENTS DO START WITH ONE.

AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF I MAY ASK MY COLLEAGUE, MR. BAZALDUA, A QUESTION. SO FROM WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S SAID THAT IN ORDER TO DO EDITS, IF WE PUSH THIS FORWARD.

NOW, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION FIRST.

I'M CLEAR. IF WE DO THESE EDITS THAT RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN THERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EDITS WAS THE MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE CORRECT TRIBES THAT WERE HERE THE INDIGENOUS TRIBES THAT WERE HERE THAT THERE ARE ACCURATE AND CORRECT AND WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO DO THAT.

AND SO I DID GO AND ASK STAFF BECAUSE SINCE WE HAVE THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT, I'M LIKE, DID WE GET THAT WRONG OR SOMETHING? BUT I'D RATHER DOUBLE CHECK, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE SAFE, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND EDIT OUR LAND ACKNOWLEDGMENT IF WE GOT SOMETHING CORRECT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH OUR NATIVE RESIDENTS IS HOW WE DID THAT.

AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACCURATE.

RIGHT. BUT YOU SAID THAT, THEN IF THERE WERE OTHER EDITS, WE'D HAVE TO DO THIS FROM THE FLOOR.

IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO WHAT YOU ADOPT TODAY.

OKAY. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THOSE FROM THE FLOOR.

AND CAN YOU DEFINE SUBSTANTIVE.

SO THAT WOULD CHANGE THE INTENT OF THE STATEMENT.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. SO IN CASE THERE ARE EDITS AND THERE BECAUSE SOME MIGHT NOT THINK IT'S SOME SUBSTANTIVE AND SOME THINK IT IS.

SO MR. BAZALDUA, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH US.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF SUPPORT US PUSHING THIS FORWARD.

SO DELAYING IT A LITTLE BIT TILL THE NEXT ONE SO WE CAN GET ALL THE EDITS ACCURATE AND CORRECT.

AND THEN THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AMENDMENTS AND EDITS FROM THE FLOOR IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE.

I'M NOT SAYING THERE WILL BE. I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU THINK IS BETTER.

I BELIEVE IT STILL WOULD NEED TO BE DONE AT THE ON THE FLOOR.

I GUESS I NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A STRAW VOTE NOW, AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO MAKE SURE HOW THAT WILL ASK.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ASK OR IF I HAVE TO.

SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE ASKED, CAN YOU CAN YOU ANSWER IT FOR ME, PLEASE? SO IF THIS WERE TO BE WITHDRAWN TODAY WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO STRAW VOTE ON THE 18TH.

AND YOU COULD BRING IT BACK ON THE 18TH WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS AND STRAW VOTED IN.

OR YOU COULD HAVE IT DONE TODAY AND THEN MAKE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES ON THE 26TH WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY VOTING ON THE THE WHOLE ORDINANCE.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

MR. BAZALDUA, ASSUMING THAT IT DOES EITHER OPTION MEAN MORE TO YOU EITHER WAY, I'M NOT.

I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS RIGHT, BECAUSE I DO WANT IT TO PASS.

I KNOWING THAT WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST FIVE OF US GONE ON THE 18TH, I WOULD PREFER FOR THAT NOT TO BE THE OPTION AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT AS A FULL BODY.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK IT.

AND I WAS TRYING AND I ENDED UP GETTING THE MIC RIGHT AWAY.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S HOW I HAD TO DO IT.

BUT WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO BE IN SUPPORT.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT, AND WE'LL DO IT THE WAY THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY FIRST SAID IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN GRACEY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER. NARVAEZ THAT THAT WAS KIND OF ALONG THE SAME LINE OF MY QUESTIONING IN TERMS OF COULD WE TABLE THIS SO THAT WE COULD ENSURE I FORGOT YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, SO I CAN SUPPORT THIS AND MAY HAVE SOME CHANGES.

MAY NOT. I DON'T KNOW YET.

BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE INTENT FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT SHOULD BE SAID.

AND IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT WHO THE CITY OF DALLAS IS.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? BEFORE I GO BACK TO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THIS.

BUT BUT I WILL HAVE SOME STRIKETHROUGHS AND SOME CHANGES.

SO DON'T KNOW HOW I WILL VOTE ON IT ON, ON FINAL ADOPTION, BUT KNOWING THAT THERE'S SOME COMPROMISE ON THE TABLE I'LL GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT IT TODAY.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU RECOGNIZE FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ON THE THE FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY.

AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THAT I DON'T I DON'T INTEND FOR THE PREAMBLE TO ENCOMPASS SOLELY CITY FUNCTIONS.

WE WANT A THRIVING CITY, AND WE WANT OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUSIVE OF OUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH NEIGHBORING AGENCIES THAT JURISDICTION MAY FALL UNDER.

SO IF PROVIDING QUALITY EDUCATION, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A LOT OF POLICY DECISIONS THAT DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY IMPACT THE ABILITY FOR OPPORTUNITY AND

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SO I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT SETTING.

JUST AS MENTIONED, THIS ISN'T BINDING.

THIS IS NOT SETTING THE TONE FOR WHAT WHAT WE SHOULD BE ASSUMING AS THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR LAYING OUT WHAT OUR EXPECTATION IS OF A CITY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WE INTEND FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO OBTAIN.

SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CHAIRMAN STEWART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

CHAIR BAZALDUA I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT BINDING IN IT, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT IT WILL SET EXPECTATIONS.

THAT THAT IT IT MAY.

IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S EXPANDING.

WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CITY OF DALLAS? JUST BY MENTIONING SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND PUTTING THEM IN THERE? BECAUSE THE PREAMBLE, IN MY OPINION, IT'S THE PREAMBLE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO IT SHOULD STAY NARROWLY FOCUSED ON WHAT OUR ROLE IS, WHAT OUR LANE IS, WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.

AND I AGREE, ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS ON MENTAL HEALTH AND EDUCATION ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND THEY'RE IMPORTANT FOR A HEALTHY CITY, BUT THEY AREN'T OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? BEFORE I GO BACK TO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA TO CLOSE.

OH, I SEE. LOOK AT THAT.

CHAIRMAN SCHULZ RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU SIR.

I COUNCIL MEMBER STUART, I ACTUALLY RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE BECAUSE TO ME THE PREAMBLE IS SETTING THE TONE OF WHAT ANYONE WHO LIVES HERE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AND WORK TOWARD.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S OUR FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

AND IN FACT, WE THROUGH MANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, WORK ON MENTAL HEALTH, EDUCATION, JOB TRAINING, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND SANITATION AND ROADS AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO I THINK IT'S ABOUT WHAT WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE EXPECTATION OF A RESIDENT WHO LIVES HERE AND WHAT IS OUR CITY OF DALLAS DOING TO HELP THAT BECOME A REALITY.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THIS ALMOST SORT OF TRANSACTIONAL IN TERMS OF THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES AS MUCH AS ASPIRATIONAL.

SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT.

ALL RIGHT LET'S SEE.

I THINK WE'RE MAYBE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

FOR FIVE MINUTES.

OH. THANK YOU. NO, I'M.

I'M JUST GOING TO BE BRIEF. I DID SUPPORT THE.

I'M JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING UP IN TERMS OF THE SUMMATION.

SUMMATION OF THE PREAMBLE.

I THINK MAYOR, AM I UNDERSTANDING ARE TO THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, WHEREVER YOU DIRECT ME, THAT IF WE SUPPORT JUST HAVING A PREAMBLE, THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SOME EDITS IN A TIME FRAME, I'M GONNA LET THE PARLIAMENTARIAN ADDRESS IT.

YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTING THIS PARTICULAR PREAMBLE WITH SOME OPPORTUNITY.

AT THE 26, WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE WHOLE ORDINANCE TO MAKE SOME EDITS OR CHANGES THROUGH MOTIONS, WOULD THOSE MOTIONS WOULD THOSE EDITS INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO CUT IT DOWN? YES. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET TO.

I WANT IF YOU LOOK AT THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, SOME OF YOU HAD TO MEMORIZE THIS.

IT'S NOT, BUT A COUPLE OF SENTENCES.

AND IT SPEAKS TO WHAT OUR GOALS ARE UNDER THE FACT THAT WE ARE ORDAINING AND ESTABLISHING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. SO I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO DO THE SAME THING WITH THE CITY CHARTER, STAY WITHIN OUR VISION OF WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY.

WE WANT WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT DALLAS TO BE.

BUT I THINK WHEN WE BEGIN TO GO DOWN INTO ALL OF THOSE, THE LITANY OF HISTORY, AND THEN WE COME BACK AND THEN WE'LL END UP WITH THESE DEBATES OVER WHO THE GROUPS WERE THAT ESTABLISHED DALLAS, WHAT REPARATIONS THAT'S DUE US FROM THE FOLKS WHO WERE HUNG HERE IN DALLAS.

YOU WOULD BE AMAZED THAT WE JUST RECENTLY, PROBABLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, RECEIVED ANOTHER REQUEST TO CHANGE THE NAME OF KEITH'S PARK BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS HUNG OVER IN KEITH'S PARK OR SOMEWHERE NEAR IT, AND FOLKS ARE LOOKING FOR REPARATIONS NOW.

WE DIDN'T SUPPORT THAT.

WE DIDN'T PUBLICIZE IT MUCH.

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NOW, A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A CHARTER IS.

SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD TO READ THE CHARTER.

THEY FOUND OUT IT WAS A CHARTER WHEN THEY AFTER THEY GOT ON THE COUNCIL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

SO I'M SIMPLY SAYING IF THAT'S OKAY, I WILL SUPPORT A PREAMBLE, BUT NOT WITH THE THE INFERENCES OF EXPANDED JURISDICTION. AND THEN WE STILL VOTED UP OR VOTED DOWN.

I THINK THAT WE'RE ABLE, WE'RE GROWN AND WE WERE SWORN IN AND WE ARE ALL PROMISED TO UPHOLD THIS CHARTER.

SO BAZALDUA THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

MR.. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

IF YOU DON'T IF THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET ACROSS, I DO SUPPORT HIS EFFORTS, BUT I WOULD PUSH MORE FOR THE REDUCTION OF SOME OF THE TERMS OF THE STATEMENT THAT'S IN THIS BODY OF, OF OF WORDS.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, COLLEAGUES, I WAS GOING TO I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE SEEN ME DO BEFORE IS AND I'M GOING TO READ THE DEFINITION OF PREAMBLE AND ACCORDING TO WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY, BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY PREVIOUSLY TOLD US THAT THAT IS THE DICTIONARY OF CHOICE IS THE WORD IT SAYS AN INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT, ESPECIALLY THE INTRODUCTORY PART OF A CONSTITUTION OR STATUTE THAT USUALLY STATES THE REASONS THE REASONS FOR AND INTENT OF THE LAW.