[Special Housing and Homelessness Solutions on May 24, 2024. ]
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THE TIME IS NOW 9 0 7, AND WE ARE CALLING THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTION COMMITTEE.
MEETING TO ORDER FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
WE'LL NOW GO ON TO OUR BRIEFING ITEMS, BUT STARTING OFF WITH BRIEFING ITEM B, WELCOME DR.
AND APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON.
I HAVE TO GO TO A WASTEWATER TREATMENT SITE, UH, SHORTLY.
SO APPRECIATE YOUR ACCOMMODATING THE SCHEDULE TOO.
SO, SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND START? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.
UM, SO YES, WE WANTED TO, UH, PRESENT IT'S, IT'S, UH, OUR PRELIMINARY REPORT ON THE ESTIMATED ECONOMIC COST OF HOMELESSNESS IN DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTIES.
AND I, I HAVE WITH ME ALSO, UH, DR.
ALI, UH, DPE, WHO'S OUR, UH, HEALTH ECONOMIST, UH, HERE AT DALLAS COUNTY.
AND SO, UH, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR, UH, SOME TIME.
AND, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME MORE FEEDBACK.
SO, UH, TRYING TO PUT THE FINAL, UH, VERSION OUT.
BUT, UH, THIS IS, UM, PRETTY MUCH THE NUMBERS AS WE'VE IDENTIFIED THUS FAR, AGAIN, OVER HERE.
UH, CAN YOU, UH, ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE? AND SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS DEFINE AND MEASURE THE COST COMPONENTS THAT, UH, WERE ASSOCIATED WITH HOUSING, UH, HOMELESSNESS, UH, IN DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTIES.
AND SO WE USED, UH, THE 2023, UH, HOUSING FORWARD POINT IN TIME, UH, SURVEY, UH, THAT WITH A FIGURE 4,244, UH, PERSONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY ON A SINGLE NIGHT.
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THEN SO TRIED TO, UH, LOOK AT THE VARIOUS, UH, ESTIMATES AND DATA SOURCES, UH, TO, UM, ESTIMATE THE VIS DIFFERENT COST COMP COMPONENTS, UH, FOR HOMELESSNESS, UH, IN, UH, DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTIES BASED ON, UH, THAT POINT IN TIME, SURVEY NUMBERS.SO, UH, THE COST COMPONENTS, UH, THAT, UH, WERE IDENTIFIED AND THESE AREN'T, YOU KNOW, EXHAUSTIVE.
AND, UH, THE REPORT MENTIONED SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WEREN'T EVEN ADDED.
SO IT'S SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE, BUT LOOKING AT HOSPITALIZATIONS, UH, MEDICAL TREATMENT, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS, UH, INCARCERATION, EMERGENCY SHELTERS, UH, COSTS, UH, NEXT SLIDE.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH EACH, UH, OF THOSE COMPONENTS, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO, UH, SEE WHAT WERE THE BEST ESTIMATES, WHAT, UH, LITERATURE WAS OUT THERE, UH, REGARDING, UH, ESTIMATION OF THAT.
UH, AND SO FOR HOSPITALIZATIONS, UH, THERE WAS, UH, DATA THAT, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS SPEND ON AVERAGE ABOUT FOUR DAYS LONGER PER HOSPITAL VISIT THAN COMPARABLE NON-HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.
UH, LOOKING AT DALLAS COUNTY DATA, I THINK, UH, THE AVERAGE, UH, ADMISSION COSTS OF, UH, 23,800, UH, 43, UH, AND AVERAGE COSTS OF, UH, 3070, UM, UH, PLUS, UH, PROBABILITY OF HOSPITALIZATIONS FOR HOMELESS, UH, PERSONS OF 0.31.
UH, SO LOOKING AT THE, UM, AVERAGE COST OF HOMELESSNESS, UH, SO EVERYONE HAS THAT SORT OF INITIAL ADMISSION COST OF 23,843, UH, THE EXTRA FOUR DAYS THAT A HOMELESS PERSON SPENDS TIMES 3070 PER, UH, COST PER DAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 36,000, UH, $123 AVERAGE COST FOR HOMELESS.
UH, AND THEN, UH, WITH THE 4,410, UH, PERSONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 0.31 PROBABILITY OF, UH, HOSPITALIZATION, UH, TIMES THAT, UH, ESTIMATED COST ABOUT 49 MILLION, UH, 383,000, UH, FOR HOSPITALIZATION, UH, COSTS.
UH, NEXT SLIDE, UH, FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT.
UH, THERE IS, UH, AGAIN, INFORMATION.
THE LITERATURE, HOMELESS POPULATION REQUIRES MEDICAL TREATMENT MORE FREQUENTLY, UH, THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION.
UH, MOST RECENT ESTIMATIONS OF MEDICAL TREATMENT, ABOUT $18,764 BASED ON MEDICAID CLAIMS, AND ABOUT 0.73 PROBABILITY OF A HOMELESS PERSON, UH, NEEDING MEDICAL TREATMENT.
SO AGAIN, USING THAT 44 10 NUMBER TIMES THE PROBABILITY OF THE MEDICAL TREATMENT, UH, A 0.73 TIMES THE AVERAGE COST, UH, GETS ABOUT 60,406,945.
UH, NEXT SLIDE, UH, FOR MENTAL HEALTH, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD AND DATA ON THE LIKELIHOOD OF A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL USING THE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, UH, WAS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 0.382.
UM, AND THEN THE AVERAGE COST OF A MENTAL HEALTH PER HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL SEEKING MENTAL HEALTH CARE, UH, WAS ABOUT $10,244.
SO, AGAIN, UH, TIMES THE 4,410, UH, PERSONS, YOU KNOW, 17,257,247.
UH, NEXT SLIDE, UH, FOR EMERGENCY DAY, UH, VISITS, UH, TEXAS HEALTH AND SERVICES SAID THERE WERE 170 EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS FOR 100 HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ON AVERAGE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO, UH, AND THEN, UH, LOOKING AT SOME LOCAL ER COSTS, ON AVERAGE, ABOUT $2,200.
UM, SO TO GET THE AVERAGE COST ESTIMATING TOTAL COST OF ER VISITS, UM, THAT 1.7 TIMES THE NUMBER OF HOST HOMELESS TIMES AVERAGE COST ABOUT 16, UH, MILLION, 16.49 MILLION.
UM, NOW IN INCARCERATION, THIS WAS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT, UH, TO CALCULATE THE LIKELIHOOD OF A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL BEING ARRESTED, UH, WAS 5.51 TIMES LARGER THAN AVERAGE PERSON.
UM, AND WE, AND SO ALSO FOUND THAT PROBABILITY OF 0.09 FOR THE LIKELIHOOD OF INCARCERATION AND AVERAGE DAYS OF INCARCERATION IN COUNTY JAILS ABOUT THREE DAYS.
SO, UM, USE THOSE FIGURES TO ESTIMATE THAT TOTAL COST OF INCARCERATION WAS ASSOCIATED WITH HOMELESSNESS.
UM, AND NEXT SLIDE THEN CAME OUT WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABILITY OF INCARCERATION POINT, THEY, UH, ABOUT 17,000 9 25 AT TIMES THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS.
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ABOUT A 7.1 MILLION AVERAGE COST OF INCARCERATION PER DAY, AND THEN AVERAGE DAYS, THREE DAYS, UH, INCARCERATED, UH, SO ABOUT 21,342,000 1 0 7.AND THEN FOR EMERGENCY SHELTERS, UH, IN 2023, TEXAS HOMELESS NETWORK REPORTED 43% OF THE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS WERE LIVING EITHER IN AN EMERGENCY SHELTER OR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.
AND THAT, UH, WITH HUD ESTIMATES, UH, AVERAGE MONTHLY COST OF EMERGENCY SHELTERING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL IN HOUSTON RANGED FROM 853 TO 1000 HUNDRED 87, UH, DOLLARS DOLLARS, AND APPLYING, UH, UH, INFLATION RATES, MAKING THAT, UPDATING THAT ESTIMATE ABOUT 1,327 TO 1,846, UH, IN, UH, PRESENT DOLLARS.
SO THEN THAT, UH, AVERAGE COST OR ANNUAL COST OF SHELTERING, UH, IN DOWSON COUNTY, UH, COLLIN COUNTIES, UH, USE THE LOWER RATE, UH, OR, UH, OF $1,327 GIVES ABOUT A VALUE OF 23,876,446, OR IF YOU USE THE HIGHER RATE, ABOUT 33,214,709.
UH, SO SOME SORT OF, UH, UH, ESTIMATES WITH THAT RANGE AND THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO WHEN YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, UH, YOU KNOW, HOSPITALIZATION, UH, MEDICAL TREATMENT, EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS, INCARCERATION, EMERGENCY SHELTERS, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, YOU CAN GET TOTAL FOR THE FULL FOUR, YOU KNOW, 4,400, UH, ESTIMATED HOMELESS FROM THE COUNT, UH, YOU'D GET 198 MILLION, 98,000, UH, BUT A PER CAPITA RATE OF ABOUT 44,920 PER PERSON.
UH, AND THEN SO WHAT TRIED TO DO A COMPARISON, UM, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, OH, HERE'S SORT OF THE BREAKDOWN JUST AS A PIE CHART OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE CONTRIBUTING.
UH, YOU CAN SEE MEDICAL TREATMENT WAS SORT OF ABOUT 34% HOSPITALIZATIONS, 27%, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT DISTRIBUTION OF THE BREAKDOWN.
SO JUST TRY TO COMPARE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE HOUSING FORWARD REAL-TIME REHOUSING, UH, INITIATIVE, UH, WHERE IT'S INVESTING, YOU KNOW, $70 MILLION, UH, TO HOW, WITH A GOAL OF HOUSING 2,700 INDIVIDUALS, WHICH HAS ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN MET.
BUT THAT WOULD BE A PER CAPITA COST, UH, SPENDING OF 25,925.
UH, SO IF YOU USED INSTEAD THAT 2,700 INDIVIDUALS, UH, THAT WERE GONNA BE HOUSED THROUGH THIS EFFORT, UH, AND THEN MULTIPLY THE 2,700 INSTEAD TIMES THE ESTIMATED PER CAPITA COST OF 44,920, THEN JUST FOR THOSE 2,700 HOMELESS PERSONS THAT ARE BEING HOUSED, UH, THE ESTIMATED COST WOULD'VE BEEN 121,284,000.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A GAP BETWEEN THIS INVESTMENT OF 70 MILLION TO GET THOSE PER 2,700 PERSONS, UH, HOUSED.
UH, AND THEN THE COST, UH, THAT WOULD BE ESTIMATED FOR THOSE 2,700, WERE THEY NOT HOUSED OF PERHAPS 121 MILLION.
UH, NOW WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IF THEY'RE IN THE REAL TIME REHOUSING THAT THEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE OTHER COSTS.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT SORT OF, UH, INVESTMENT AND, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, UH, CERTAINLY THAT HOUSING, UH, WILL DECREASE SOME OF THOSE, UH, UH, FIGURES THAT WE LOOKED AT.
AND SO, SORT OF SHOWING THAT GAP, UH, THERE'S CERTAINLY, UH, JUST, UM, THAT 70 MILLION INVESTMENT, UM, HAVING SOME IMPACT ON REDUCING THOSE COSTS THAT WE, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR, UH, HOMELESSNESS.
UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL UP TO, UH, YOU KNOW, $50 MILLION, UH, THAT MIGHT BE SAVED.
SO, UM, NEXT SLIDE, OR IS THAT THE LAST ONE? YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST ONE.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS REALLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, WITH THAT.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN ESTIMATE TO TRY TO, UH, LOOK AT SOME OF THE FIGURES, UH, BASED ON SOME LOCAL, UH, DATA AND PROJECTIONS.
I KNOW THEY JUST CAME UP WITH THE LATEST, UH, POINT IN TIME COUNT FOR 2024, UH, NUMBERS, WHICH ACTUALLY DECREASED A LITTLE.
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COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YEAH, YEAH.I'M GONNA START OVER TO MY RIGHT, UH, WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
THIS IS, UM, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK, AND THANK YOU FOR PULLING THE DATA THAT YOU'VE GOT, UM, TO CATEGORIZE THIS AND HELP US UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THE BREAKDOWN IS AS FAR AS LOOKING AT OUR HOMELESS POPULATION IN DALLAS.
THIS IS CERTAINLY HELPFUL AS WE LOOK AT ITEM C AND D AND GO INTO BUDGETING FOR THE NEXT YEAR TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND WHAT ACTUAL COSTS ARE.
UM, WHAT REALLY SHOUTS TO ME IS THE TREMENDOUS MEDICAL IMPERATIVE THAT WE SEE HERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PIE CHART.
NO, YEAH, BETWEEN THE, UH, MEDICAL TREATMENT, HOSPITALIZATIONS, UH, EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS.
YEAH, THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, THE, UH, ARE YOU ALL TALKING? WE CAN ANYTHING NOW? ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO HEAR ME? UH, NO, IT CUT OUT.
SO, THE OBSERVATION IS THAT 70% OF THIS PIE CHART RELATES TO PUBLIC HEALTH, WHICH IS UNDER THE COUNTY'S PURVIEW, NOT THE CITIES.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS MIGHT BE AROUND HOW WE CAN BEST ADDRESS THIS TOGETHER? YEAH, UH, I MEAN, DEFINITELY, AND SOME OF IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, AND SOMETIMES YOU, YOU KNOW, CLASSIFYING PUBLIC HEALTH, UH, VERSUS HEALTHCARE.
UH, SO DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY AND, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES GOING TOWARDS THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT CLINICAL CARE, UH, STANDPOINT.
UH, SO CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, PARKLAND, UH, FROM A HEALTHCARE STANDPOINT, PARKLAND DOES A LOT, UH, WITH, UH, THE, UM, UH, CLINICAL CARE, UH, FOR, UH, THE HOMELESS.
I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE HOMES, UH, PROGRAM, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HRSA DESIGNATED HEALTHCARE FOR HOMELESS, UH, FQHCS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THE LARGEST PROVIDER OF HEALTHCARE SERVICES FOR HOMELESS IN DALLAS COUNTY.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S SERVING, I THINK 96% OF THE PATIENTS THEY SERVED, UH, ARE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OR BELOW OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL, AND 78% HAVE NO INSURANCE.
UH, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE HEALTHCARE COSTS, THOSE ARE BEING ABSORBED, UH, LARGELY, UH, THROUGH A LOT OF THE SERVICES BEING PROVIDED THROUGH THE COUNTY WITH PARKLAND.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY HAD, UH, 38,000, UH, 695 TOTAL VISITS FOR HOMELESS.
UH, IT HAS INCLUDES FIVE MOBILE MEDICAL CLINICS, ONE MOBILE DENTAL CLINIC, THREE FIXED SITES AT THE BRIDGE, DUPONT AND HOMEWARD BOUND.
THERE'S HOMELESS SHELTERS, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHELTERS, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, AND THESE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED THROUGH THIS INCLUDE MEDICAL, DENTAL, PODIATRY, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, SOCIAL WORK, PEER SUPPORT, CLINICAL PHARMACY, NUTRITION, DIABETES EDUCATION, UH, NOW THERE'S, UH, FOR OPIOIDS AND THINGS, MAT AND PREP, UH, SERVICES.
SO, YEAH, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.
UH, THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT COUNTY FUNDS, UH, THAT ARE BEING USED TO SUPPORT THAT CLINICAL END, UM, FOR, UH, ADDRESSING THE, THE HOMELESSNESS.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IF WE COULD ADD MORE STABILITY, UH, IN SOME OF THESE LIVES TO WHERE THEY WEREN'T A DRAW ON THE HOSPITALIZATION AND ER CATEGORY, IT COULD BE A WIN FOR PARKLAND, UH, FOR ALL OF US, REALLY.
THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THIS INVESTMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE SHOW THAT GAP BETWEEN WHAT, UH, UH, THE HOMELESS WE ESTIMATE WOULD BE COSTING FOR THE, AND ARE PROBABLY CURRENTLY COSTING, UH, FOR THESE SERVICES.
UH, BUT IT'S HOPE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORTS LIKE THE RAPID REHOUSING AND GETTING, SAY EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE 2,700, UH, HOUSED WILL DECREASE, UH, THAT BURDEN ON HOSPITALIZATIONS, UH, AND OTHER, UH, MEDICAL COSTS THAT, AGAIN, THE, THE COUNTY IS, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEFINITELY APPRECIATE, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, DECREASING THAT BURDEN ON SOME OF OUR COUNTY RESOURCES.
WELL, I'M CURIOUS, I'M SURE AS YOU LOOKED AT HOSPITALIZATION, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SLIDES TITLED HOSPITALIZATION, MEDICAL TREATMENT, MEDICAL, MENTAL HEALTH, AND EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS.
IF YOU COULD SEND TO US THE FURTHER
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BREAKDOWN OF THE NATURE OF WHAT COMPRISES EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME.UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THE, IN THE HOSPITALIZATION CATEGORY HAVE USED AVERAGE NUMBERS BECAUSE A LOT OF DETAILED INFORMATION CANNOT BE SHARED BASED ON THE
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS THAT WE CATEGORIZED AND BREAK IT DOWN INTO THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH HOMELESSNESS.
SO WHAT WE OFFER YOU AS A COST OF HOSPITALIZATION IS THAT EXTRA FOR NIGHTS THAT A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL IS LIKELY TO SPEND IN HOSPITAL, AND THE AVERAGE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, OUR NUMBER IS THE AVERAGE POINT.
THE OTHER PART IS THAT IN ORDER TO COLLECT THE DETAILED DATA, YOU, UH, MENTIONED, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT A SURVEY, AND THAT REQUIRES RESOURCES THAT WE DO NOT HAVE AT THE MOMENT.
BUT THIS WAS A FIRST STEP TO CREATE A FRAMEWORK AND A KIND OF A PICTURE OF ALL OF THE COST COMPONENTS THAT WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON DATA ABOUT AND OFFER YOU, AND A ESTIMATIONS OF THE AVERAGE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE, UH, COMPONENTS.
THAT IS VERY HELPFUL TO GET THE AVERAGE COST.
WHAT I'M WONDERING IS WHAT CATEGORIES YOU MIGHT SEE THAT OVER INDEX IN THE HOMELESS POPULATION.
MAYBE IT'S WOUND CARE OR MAYBE IT'S SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, INFECTION OR, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD GENERATE MORE OF A HEALTHCARE COST.
SO JUST GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT.
WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO VIOLATE ANY HIPAA RULES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST UNDER UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE NATURE OF THESE MEDICAL VISITS MIGHT BE THAT ARE DISTINCT AMONG THE HOMELESS POPULATION VERSUS JUST THE AVERAGE POPULATION.
CERTAINLY, I, I CAME BACK TO YOU.
I, I WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH EXTRA DATA AND INFORMATION AS I FIND THAT THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS, UH, PRESENTATION.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF REAL SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO IT, UH, EARLIER.
I KNOW THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON THE TOTAL HOMELESS POPULATION, UM, BUT I THINK I HEARD YOU READ SOME NUMBERS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR AVERAGE, WHAT AVERAGE NUMBERS OF HOMELESS PATIENTS OR BEING TREATED.
UM, I'D JUST LOVE TO SEE ALL OF THAT KIND OF LINED UP TOGETHER.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER READY, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT FACTORED INTO THIS TOO.
IT IS A BIT DIFFICULT TO COME WITH THE EXACT NUMBER OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS RECEIVING MEDICAL CARE OR VISITING AN ER PER DAY, BECAUSE AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS VARIES DAY TO DAY.
SO WE HAVE A TOTAL NUMBER THAT WE MEASURE ON THE DATE POINT OF THE DAYS AND COMPARE IT TO THE SAME DAY IN PREVIOUS YEAR.
THE OTHER PART THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS HERE IS THAT YOU ARE DEFINITELY RIGHT.
ALIGNING IT UP WOULD GIVE US A MUCH BETTER INSIGHT, BUT AT THE MOMENT, WE DO NOT PROCESS THAT MICRO LEVEL DATA OR THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD MONITOR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS, UH, MEDICAL TREATMENT AND HOSPITAL VISITS.
WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS CONDUCTED IN BOSTON, WASHINGTON, DC, LOS ANGELES, PORTLAND, OREGON, THAT HAVE DONE THIS, BUT THEY HAVE FOCUSED ON ONE SHELTER OR TWO SHELTERS.
AND IN THAT SENSE, THEY HAVE, THEY GIVE US, UH, ESTIMATIONS THAT ARE FRANKLY BY US, TOWARD THEIR OWN POPULATION AND CANNOT BE GENERALIZED.
AND I
SO AGAIN, THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR 2023, AND SO THIS IS JUST FOR ONE YEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, 8,522 UNDUPLICATED PATIENTS, UH, SERVED THROUGH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, 38,695 TOTAL VISITS.
UH, AND SO THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT SPECIFIC, UH, PARKLAND, UH, PROGRAM.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE I WOULD IMAGINE ARE REPEAT VISITORS AS WELL.
SO WHEN YOU DO THE MATH ON THIS, THIS 44 COULD ESSENTIALLY, 4,400, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY TRIPS THEY TAKE, COULD ESSENTIALLY BE MORE, RIGHT? WELL, ACTUALLY, AND THAT'S WHAT THERE WAS 8,522 UNDUPLICATED.
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UM, SO I WANNA SAY, FIRST THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS WORK.UM, I ESPECIALLY WANNA SAY, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE FIGURED IN A UTILIZATION FACTOR FOR THESE COSTS, AND I KNOW THAT MUST HAVE BEEN TRICKY.
I I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON YOUR ESTIMATED COST FOR HOUSING.
YOU'RE USING THE 2006 FIGURE FROM HOUSTON, AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD HAVE INSTEAD USED ACTUAL NUMBERS FROM OUR EXISTING SHELTERS.
UM, ACTUAL NUMBERS FROM OUR EXISTING SHELTERS WERE KIND OF HARD TO COME BY.
PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT SINCE WE ARE SHARING THESE NUMBERS, WHICH SHOULD WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEIR FACTUALITY AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE BASED ON THE REALITY, THE NUMBERS FROM HOUSTONS ARE ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST OF LIVING IN DALLAS.
SO IT, IT'S A VERY CLOSE ESTIMATION OF WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR SHELTERS AND, UH, AT THE MO.
AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT OUR SHELTERS IS THAT I WANTED TO USE THEM, BUT WE HAVE A VERY VARI VARIABLE UTILIZATION FACTOR AS YOU LOOK AT THEM.
THE NUMBER OF, UH, THE CAPACITY RATE IN THE SHELTERS AND THE OCCUPATION RATE VARIES.
SO WE HAVE TO STAY WITH THE POINT THAT WE CAN ASSUME IT STAY CONSTANT IF THE SHELTERS WERE, IF STAY OCCUPIED FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT USING 20-YEAR-OLD NUMBERS FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MARKET AND THEN JUST TRYING TO PRESENT VALUE THEM SEEMS, UM, LIKE A BIG SHOT IN THE DARK TO ME.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA I'M SORRY.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE ARE, I MEAN, THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND FEEDBACK AND, AND IT IS STRUCTURED.
SO IF WE GET MORE UPDATED FIGURES, WE CAN CERTAINLY PLUG THAT IN AND USE THAT BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY AGREE WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, UH, MORE RECENT, UH, DATA.
I THINK THIS WAS THE BEST THAT WE COULD DO.
AND THAT'S WHAT TOOK A LOT OF TIME IS TRYING TO FIND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BEST, MOST RELEVANT SORT OF ESTIMATES OR APPLICABLE.
BUT SO I AGREE WITH YOU, IT'S TO FIND WHAT HAPPENED IS AT THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP ON ENDING HOMELESSNESS, WE HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
AND SO WE ENLISTED A GROUP OF ACCOUNTANTS TO PULL THE NINE NINETIES FOR ALL THE NONPROFITS THAT WERE SOURCED FROM THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION LIST, AS WELL AS THE DALLAS COUNTY HOUSING AND HOMELESS RESOURCE LIST.
AND THEY TOOK ALL THOSE NINE NINETIES AND BROKE OUT THEIR, UM, REPORTED REVENUE BY PRIVATE REVENUE, PUBLIC REVENUE, OTHER REVENUE, SO THAT WE COULD GET A TOTAL REVENUE NUMBER AS WELL AS A TOTAL EXPENSE NUMBER FROM THAT.
AND WHAT THAT SHOWED WAS THAT THERE WAS OVER $744 MILLION IN REVENUE GOING TO HOMELESS, PROVIDING AGENCIES, NONPROFITS.
AND THEN WHAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGED WAS THAT THEY WERE MISSING THE VERY THINGS THAT YOU HAVE QUANTIFIED.
SO THERE WAS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT IT WAS MISSING HOSPITALIZATION AND MEDICAL TREATMENT AND EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS AND INCARCERATION AND MENTAL HEALTH, WHICH OF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU ENUMERATED WOULD COME UP TO ANOTHER $165 MILLION FOR A TOTAL OF OVER $900 MILLION GOING INTO HOMELESS RESOURCES IN OUR COMMUNITY IN ONE FISCAL YEAR, 909 MILLION, ACTUALLY.
AND ACTUALLY, THOSE NUMBERS DON'T INCLUDE THINGS LIKE D-F-R-D-P-D, RIGHT? CARE CODE COMPLIANCE, THOSE AREN'T EVEN INCLUDED.
SO IT'S REASONABLE TO ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS IN ONE YEAR BEING SPENT ON HOMELESSNESS.
AND THE QUESTION THAT THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP ON ENDING HOMELESSNESS WAS STRUGGLING WITH IS, IS THE SYSTEM WORKING IN A WAY WHERE VICE CHAIRMAN, YES.
UM, WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNOLOGY, UM, DIFFICULTIES.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK, UH, FIVE MINUTE RECESS AS WE TRY TO RECONNECT.
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OKAY.THE TIME IS NOW 9 39 AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION, UH, VICE CHAIR.
UM, SO THE, THE QUESTION I WANNA ASK YOU THOUGH IS REALLY IF YOU HAVE EVALUATED HOW THE SYSTEM'S WORKING TO EXPEND DOLLARS? OH, I THINK WE'RE STILL HAVING THIS PROBLEM.
YEAH, COULD WE, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR? YEAH, WE CAN, DR. WONG, IF YOU CAN MUTE UNTIL YOU'RE SPEAKING.
YOU WANT US, OH, TO MUTE, YOU WANT US TO MUTE, PLEASE? YOU CAN MUTE UNTIL, UH, UNTIL, UNTIL YOU SPEAK.
WELL, I'M ASSUMING THAT ALL THE OTHER PART WAS ALREADY HEARD.
YOU HAVE VARIOUS ITEMS LIKE HOSPITALIZATION, MEDICAL TREATMENT, EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS, MENTAL HEALTH AND INCARCERATION THAT ARE ALL COUNTY RELATED THAT YOU'RE SAYING TOTAL ABOUT $165 MILLION A YEAR.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNTY BUDGET, THERE'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR HOMELESSNESS.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITY OF DALLAS BUDGET, AND I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THIS NUMBER, SO I'M JUST GONNA, I'M JUST GONNA HEDGE THAT AND TELL YOU THAT IT'S 53 MILLION THAT WE HAVE SPENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.
AND SO I LOOK AT THAT AND I THINK, WELL, WHY IS CITY OF DALLAS SPENDING $54 MILLION IN ONE
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FISCAL YEAR WHEN THIS IS A COUNTY PROBLEM? IT'S A CONTINUUM OF CARE, WHICH IS DALLAS AND CALLING COUNTIES, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE COUNTY IS PUTTING IN THE DOLLARS TO DO THE PREVENTION AND TO HELP PEOPLE LEAVE HOMELESSNESS SO THAT YOU AREN'T INCURRING THESE HIGHER EXPENSES.I MEAN, ARE YOU ADVOCATING FOR THE COUNTY TO INCREASE ITS HOMELESS BUDGET? UH, I GUESS I'M NOT SURE, AND I WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR, THE 700, 7 40 $4 MILLION, UH, FIGURE AND FIGURES THAT YOU HAD.
UH, BUT ONE THING I'M, I AM WONDERING, I I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THE FIGURE THAT THE COUNTY'S SPENDING 1 MILLION, BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT WE'VE ESTIMATED, AND IT WAS ALREADY POINTED OUT, SOME OF THE LARGEST COSTS ON HOMELESSNESS OR ALL THE HEALTHCARE, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW JUST PARKLAND ALONE IS, UH, COSTING, UH, IS EXPENDING CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF COUNTY FUNDS.
I I KNOW ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, AND, AND, AND PERSONALLY FROM OUR EFFORTS, UH, JUST ONE EFFORT ALONE, YOU KNOW, WITH DURING COVID, UH, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO, UM, ADDRESS, UH, ISOLATION QUARANTINE, UH, THAT COUNTY WAS EXPECTING SOME MONEY AS, AS WAS THE CITY, UH, FOR LIKE HOTEL, UH, FACILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, FOR SHELTERING, UH, THE COUNTY.
THIS IS WHEN WE SAID, UH, LET'S BUY THAT HOTEL.
I KNOW THE COUNTY INVESTED $10 MILLION IN THAT.
I KNOW THE CITY PUT IN ABOUT 5 MILLION.
UH, I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTING, UH, THE WHOLE REAL TIME RAPID REHOUSING EFFORT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS DALLAS COUNTY COUNTING ALL THE HOUSING VOUCHERS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN ABOUT 25 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW WE'RE, UH, PUTTING IN, LIKE WITH ST.
JUDE'S, UH, PARK CENTRAL, WE HAVE 40 OF OUR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO THAT.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE, DR. WONG, I'M SORRY, THE, THE 1 MILLION NUMBER IS THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET.
SO IT'S NOT THE YEARS OF CO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PASSED.
AND IT'S, UM, EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER, THAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE VERY ITEMS THAT YOU ARE ENUMERATING ABOUT HOSPITALIZATION, THE MEDICAL CARE OR INCARCERATION, BECAUSE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET THOSE NUMBERS.
THIS IS STRICTLY FROM THE DALLAS COUNTY BUDGET, AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THESE NUMBERS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY POSTED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, UM, UNDER THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP ON ENDING HOMELESSNESS.
AND I THINK IT'S THE JANUARY MEETING THAT THIS CAME FROM.
UM, ALTHOUGH THERE MAY, THERE MAY BE AN UPDATE, AND IT'LL BE FOR THE JUNE MEETING THAT WE'LL REPOST IT.
BUT I'LL SEND YOU OVER THE LATEST DRAFT THAT I HAVE, AND AGAIN, A COMMITTEE PUT THIS TOGETHER.
AND I THINK PART OF THAT JUST, UH, IS, AND I, AGAIN, THIS IS SORT OF A COUNTY BUDGET ISSUE, BUT, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT SOME OF THESE FUNDS, LIKE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKLAND'S BUDGET OR WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT JAIL COSTS, OR WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE NECESSARILY IDENTIFIED AS HOMELESSNESS COSTS, BUT THEY ARE CERTAINLY ADDRESSING THE HOMELESS PROBLEM.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE ESTIMATED IS THE COST ASSOCIATED.
SO LET'S SAY AS A HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL, I GO TO PARKLAND RIGHT NOW, VISIT THEIR ER OR RECEIVE SOME MEDICAL TREATMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE A SUB ITEM ON THEIR HOMELESSNESS TO BUILD THIS TO THAT ITEM.
THEY USE THEIR RESOURCES, THEY USE THEIR PERSONNEL, THEIR EVERYTHING THEY GOT, AND BASED ON WHAT THAT HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL CONSUMES, WE ESTIMATE THIS COST.
SO THIS IS NOT PER SE EXACT DOLLAR THAT WE HAVE SPENT AS A COUNTY.
IT IS THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THE RESOURCES COUNTY ENDED UP SPENDING BECAUSE OF THE HOMELESS, UH, ISSUE IN DALLAS COUNTY.
SO THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE THERE.
WHAT WE ALLOCATE IN THE BUDGET IS THE MONEY WE WANT TO SPEND ON A TOPIC, BUT WHAT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOMELESS POPULATION AND THE RESOURCES THEY USE AS CONSUMERS OF MEDICAL SERVICES, HEALTHCARE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT COMES UP TO THIS A HUNDRED PLUS MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH.
I THINK YOU IDENTIFIED THE EXACT RIGHT WORD, IS THAT THE, IN, IN MY ESTIMATION, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS WHAT YOU'RE IDENTIFYING ARE THE SERVICE COSTS TO SERVICE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS MIGHT
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BE BETTER USED IN ACTUALLY HELPING PREVENT AND END PEOPLE'S HOMELESSNESS, MA'AM.THAT'S WHERE THAT THE COUNTY COULD INVEST MORE.
YEAH, NO, I, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT, AND I'M NOT SURE IN TERMS OF THE, WHICH BUDGET FIGURES YOU'RE LOOKING AT, BUT, BUT I AM VERY AWARE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN HAS, UH, WE PAID $10 MILLION FOR, UH, ST.
JUDE'S, UH, DO, UH, THE HOPE, UH, WHAT IS IT, UH, VANTAGE POINT, UH, THAT WE PUT $3 MILLION INTO.
UH, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER, UH, ITEMS. WE, WE HAVE THE EFFORT, UH, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE, UH, SORT OF COMMUNITY FIRST VILLAGE MODEL, UH, THAT WE PURCHASED LAND FOR.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE RIGHT ALONG WITH YOU IN TRYING TO, IN THE INTEREST IN TRYING TO ALSO, UH, ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.
AND, AND WE AS A COUNTY CERTAINLY WANT TO MINIMIZE, UH, SOME OF THESE COSTS THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING IN THIS, UH, COST REPORT.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE FURTHER TAKE IT BACK TO THE COUNTY.
UH, BUT I THINK WHAT IT'S SHOWING IS THE COUNTY IS, IS CERTAINLY, UH, HAVING A LOT OF EXPENDITURES RELATED TO, UH, HOMELESSNESS AND, AND SHARES, UH, THE SAME INTEREST IN TRYING TO, UH, PREVENT SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
I MEAN, JUST FROM OUR, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DISTINCTION AND WE'RE THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UH, SO WE DEAL WITH SOME OF THE LIKE OUTBREAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE ARE INVESTING IN EFFORTS, UH, TO WHEN THERE ARE, UH, LIKE MINIMIZED SPREAD OF TB, HIV, SOME OF THESE COMMUNICABLE DISEASES IN THESE, UH, HOMELESS SETTINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GET PEOPLE VACCINATED, DOING ALL THOSE SORT OF THINGS, UH, WHICH ARE REALLY, UH, PART OF THE, UH, ISSUE, UH, TO, TO DO THAT.
WE'RE ALSO SPENDING A LOT WITH THE EMERGENCY HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAVE THE PEOPLE PLACED IN SOME OF THE COURTS, THE EVICTION DIVERSION, UH, PROGRAMS, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT BE LABELED AS HOMELESSNESS, BUT ARE CERTAINLY WITH THE GOAL OF PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE SHARE THAT SAME INTEREST IN TRYING TO MINIMIZE, UH, THIS BURDEN THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS $198 MILLION.
I DO, I DO BELIEVE YOU SHARE THAT SAME INTEREST AND SAME GOAL, AND I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
AND I THINK YOU JUST ACTUALLY MADE THE POINT OF ENUMERATING EVEN ADDITIONAL EXPENSES THAT WEREN'T CONSIDERED HERE THAT ARE POURING RESOURCES INTO THIS ISSUE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION, AT LEAST THE QUESTION THAT I KNOW SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I HAVE HAD AS WELL AS THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP IS, WELL, ARE ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES EFFECTIVE IN ACTUALLY HELPING PEOPLE END THEIR HOMELESSNESS AND BECOME INDEPENDENT SO THAT ALL OF THESE SERVICES AND DOLLARS AREN'T BEING DEVOTED TO JUST KEEPING PEOPLE IN A TERRIBLE SITUATION? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I HEARD THE, UM, ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION EARLIER, BUT DO WE KNOW HOW MANY UNIQUE HOSPITAL VISITS WE HAVE, UH, WITHIN OUR UNSHELTERED POPULATION? UM, WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, UH, HOSPITAL VISITS FROM THE UNSHELTERED POPULATION, BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS BASED ON THE PROBABILITY THAT WE HAVE FROM DIFFERENT SAMPLES AND SURVEYS, WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED NUMBER, AS I SAID, WE DO NOT HAVE A MONITORING SYSTEM IN PLACE TO, UH, COUNT ALL OF THE ER VISITS OR HOSPITAL VISITS FOR A SHELTERED POPULATION.
AND THAT'S MAYBE ONE OF THE MAJOR CHALLENGES, IF I MAY, UH, ONE OF THE MEMBERS REFER TO SHOOTING IN THE DARK.
WE ARE LOOKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IN ATLANTIC OCEAN AND AN ICEBERG, AND WE ARE TRYING TO MEASURE THAT ICEBERG, AND WE NEED TO RELY ON WHAT WE CAN COLLECT AND USE THE COLLECTED DATA TO ESTIMATE THE UNKNOWNS AND APPROXIMATE THEM INTO OUR MODELS.
AND WHAT IS THAT ESTIMATE? UH, AS I SAID, 31% OF 4,410 AND US, WE HAVE ROUGHLY BETWEEN 1300 TO 1400 UNIQUE HOSPITAL VISITS PER YEAR.
AND HOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THAT? HOW DO WE IDENTIFY SOMEONE WHO POTENTIALLY MIGHT BE UNSHELTERED? ARE WE ASKING FOR THEIR LAST KNOWN ADDRESS? ARE WE ASKING, UM, IF THEY'RE UNSHELTERED? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CRITERIA IN IDENTIFYING THOSE NUMBERS? WELL, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING POST COVID IS REALLY, UH, MODERNIZING OUR, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH DATA
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AND SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS AND THINGS.AND SO WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO WORK WITH, UH, HOUSING FORWARD TO, UH, HAVE SOME ACCESS TO THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEM DATA.
THEY CAN FACILITATE SOME OF THAT.
THAT'S EXACTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANNA DO FOR, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH PURPOSES AND, AND THINGS TO, TO TRY TO, UM, IDENTIFY, BE ABLE TO BETTER IDENTIFY, UH, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
UH, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEONE GETS ADMITTED AND DISCHARGED FROM THE FACILITIES, THE, OUR HOSPITALS? IS IT TYPICALLY SOMEONE WALKING IN? ARE THEY BEING TRANSPORTED BY AMBULANCE AND THEN DISCHARGED? HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS SOMEONE SIMPLY WALKING OUT THE FRONT DOORS OR, OR ARE WE PROVIDING RIDES BACK TO THEIR, TO A SHELTER OR BACK TO AN ENCAMPMENT? I I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF VARIATION, UH, WITH THAT.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE CHARACTERIZATION NECESSARILY A BREAKDOWN OF, UH, HOW HOMELESS VARIOUS MECHANISMS ACTUALLY IN, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, HONESTLY, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO COLLECT MORE DATA AND UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS BETTER.
BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THE STUDY I HAVE CONDUCTED THAT MANY, UH, SHELTERLESS OR HOMELESS, UH, INDIVIDUALS, THEY WALK INTO ER ROOMS BECAUSE MANY LOCATIONS, THE ERS HAVE TO ADMIT THEM, ADDRESS THE CONCERNS, HOSPITALIZATION FOLLOWS, BUT THERE ARE MANY HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, UH, TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITALS USING, UH, AMBULANCE SERVICES AND ARE HOSPITALIZED INDEPENDENT OF THE ER SYSTEM.
WE, IT'S ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT WE DEFINITELY CAN EXPAND ON AND COLLECT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT.
WE ALL WANT TO ENSURE THAT OUR UNSHELTERED ARE GETTING THE MEDICAL ATTENTION THAT THEY NEED AND DESERVE.
CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH, SOMEONE GETS ADMITTED, THEY GET HEALED, UH, BUT THEY MIGHT REQUIRE A PRESCRIPTION AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 30 DAY PRESCRIPTION, BUT IT'S A THREE CYCLE PRESCRIPTION.
HOW DO WE TRACK INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING THEIR, UH, REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS? UM, IS THAT US TRYING TO FIND THEM OUT IN, IN VARIOUS ENCAMPMENTS MOVING AROUND, OR HOW, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING THAT REFILL THAT THEY, OR FOLLOW UP? YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING PROBABLY, UH, THAT SOME OF THE OTHER PROVIDER GROUPS MIGHT WANT TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
'CAUSE IT PROBABLY DOES VARY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT SETTING AND FACILITY.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I, I, THAT'S SORT OF BEYOND OUR SCOPE IN TERMS OF WE'RE DOING THE HEALTH COURT, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WILL SAY, UH, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF EFFORTS, UH, IN PARTICULAR FOR SOME OF THE ISSUES LIKE, UH, HIV, UH, WHERE WE ARE SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO LINK, UH, PERSONS TO CARE, UH, GET THEM VIRALLY SUPPRESSED, UH, SO THAT THERE'S NO FURTHER SPREAD.
WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE LOST TO CARE AND REENGAGE THEM AND GET THEM BACK ON MEDICATIONS.
UH, SO AGAIN, IN PARTICULAR FOR SOMETHING LIKE HIV WHERE THERE ARE, UM, UH, TREATMENTS AND MEDICATION THAT CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, REDUCE FURTHER TRANSMISSION AND YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF ONE, UH, YOU KNOW, PERSON, UH, NEWLY, UH, HAVING, UH, DEVELOP, GETTING HIV, IT'S LIKE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DOLLARS OF LIFETIME HEALTHCARE EXPENDITURES.
SO THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC PUBLIC HEALTH ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO HAVE TO, UH, TRY TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE, FOSTER CARE, RELINK THEM TO CARE LINK PEOPLE WHO ARE NEWLY DIAGNOSED TO CARE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A MUCH BROADER SCOPE, UH, FOR MULTIPLE CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACIE.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS.
I THINK COLLECTIVELY WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS, IS IS A A A CHALLENGE OR A YEAH, A CHALLENGE TO, UM, BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT ONE, I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE CLEARLY SERVING AND, AND CONTRIBUTING, UH, BUT BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT ONE, HOW WE'RE TRACKING, UH, OUR UNHOUSED BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE NONPROFITS AND THAT ARE COLLECTIVELY COMING TOGETHER TO TRY TO ADDRESS THIS.
YOU HAVE CITY OF DALLAS DOING THAT.
AND I THINK, UM, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WHILE WE'RE MAKING OUR EFFORTS AND WE KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS MAKING THEIR EFFORTS, WE NEED TO SEE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT THAT EFFORT IS SO THAT WE CAN SEE IF WE'RE TRULY HAVING THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE, UH,
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NEEDING TO.AND IF THERE IS, UH, TO MY COLLEAGUE, MS. MENDELSSOHN'S POINT, IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHIFT RESOURCES SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A GREATER IMPACT IN THE PARTICULAR AREA, WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MISSING PIECES, AND I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE MATHEMATICS AND THE SCIENCE BEHIND GETTING TO THOSE ESTIMATES, BUT BEING MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT TRACKING HELPS US GET TO A GREATER SOLUTION, UH, COLLECTIVELY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
YOU KNOW, AND I WILL SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS AND ADDRESSING IT UPSTREAM, I MEAN THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND WE MAKE THE CASE FOR PUBLIC HEALTH, UH, JUST TO IMPROVE ALL OF THE HEALTH STATUS AND ADDRESS THE DISPARITIES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF UPSTREAM THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S EVEN, UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE CLINICAL HEALTHCARE, BUT IT'S SOME OF THE EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION, IT'S CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, IT'S, UH, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THOSE ARE THINGS ABSOLUTELY THAT WE LOOK AT ALSO IN PUBLIC HEALTH, THAT IF WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE UPSTREAM THINGS, THOSE ARE GONNA IMPROVE OUR FULL, YOU KNOW, OUR HEALTH OUTCOMES IN GENERAL.
AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE, UH, LOOKING TO TRY TO, UH, TO WORK WITH AND MAKE AN IMPACT ON.
AND THAT WOULD SIMILARLY, THOSE ARE INVESTMENTS IN HOMELESS PREVENTION, PROBABLY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ARE NOT LABELED AS HOMELESS PREVENTION, BUT JUST LIKE THEY'RE NOT LABELED AS PUBLIC HEALTH PREVENTION.
BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANNA PARTNER ON AND, AND WE THINK WILL MAKE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN THE LONG RUN.
WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING WITH US TODAY.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM C.
CHRISTINE CROSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.
UH, THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THIS TOPIC BACK TO HOMELESS AND HOUSING, UH, HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS FOR DISCUSSION.
OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF, WE HAVE PRESENTED ON POTENTIAL ALTERNATE AND TEMPORARY HOUSING PROGRAMS AND VISITED MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO BRING THE BEST PRACTICES AND NEW PRODUCTS BACK TO THIS BODY.
TODAY I'M HERE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS TO GO OVER THE PRODUCT AND PROGRAM TYPES.
WE HAVE REVIEWED BROKEN OUT INTO TWO DIFFERENT TYPES AS DEFINED BY OUR ZONING, A COMBINED COST ANALYSIS, THE CURRENT SYSTEM PATH TO HOUSING, AND HOW THIS ADDITION WOULD INTERACT, POLICY CONSIDERATION, QUESTIONS, ITEMS TO CONSIDER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND HOW OHS AND THE RELATED DEPARTMENTS WILL GATHER THE FEEDBACK GIVEN TODAY TO MOVE ON TO NEXT STEPS.
PER OUR CODE, THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF HOUSING THAT THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS FALL UNDER.
NUMBER ONE, HOUSING WITH A PERMANENT FOUNDATION, WHICH FALLS UNDER INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING, WHICH QUALIFIES FOR MULTIPLE TYPES, MULTIPLE HOUSING TYPES SUCH AS FIN, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, DUPLEX, OR MULTI-FAMILY.
THE SECOND TYPE IS MULTI MANUFACTURED HOUSING, WHICH IS HOUSING WITHOUT A PERMANENT FOUNDATION.
THIS ONLY QUALIFIES FOR A MANUFACTURED HOUSING DISTRICT.
THESE ARE FEW IN THE CITY, MOST ALREADY FULL AND MUCH HARDER TO CREATE.
NOW WE WILL GO THROUGH THREE PRODUCTS BY TYPE USE CASE AND COST ANALYSIS.
THE FIRST PRODUCT TYPE IS INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING.
THIS PRODUCT TYPE CAN VARY IN SIZE.
UM, IT CAN BE STICK-BUILT OR MODULAR.
IT COULD INCLUDE BATHROOMS AND KITCHENS, WHICH WOULD BRING IT WITHIN PERMANENT HOUSING STANDARDS, UM, BUT ALSO CANNOT, UM, AND OFTEN CAN BE MOBILE, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY HAVE A PERMANENT FOUNDATION WHEN THEY'RE PLACED.
SO FOR THE USE CASE FOR THIS PRODUCT TYPE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TINY HOUSE VILLAGE IN SEATTLE.
HERE WE HIGHLIGHT THE PERMANENT NATURE OF THESE STRUCTURES, WHICH CAN BE USED FOR BOTH BRIDGE AND PERMANENT HOUSING.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE UNITS VARY AT 15 TO 75 UNITS PER SITE WITH SHARED FACILITIES AND ONSITE MANAGEMENT AND SECURITY 24 7.
GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL LOOK AT COST ANALYSIS FOR WHICH WE ARE COMPARING THE SEATTLE MODEL WITH THE COMMUNITY FIRST VILLAGE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CAPITAL REQUIRED TO CREATE A SITE VARIES DRASTICALLY
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BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SITE, SITE PREPARATION AND TIMELINE TO HOUSING.ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS SIMILARLY VARY BASED ON THE SIZE OF A SITE, INCLUDING EXPENSES LIKE SECURITY, UPKEEP, FOOD, MEDICAL, AND BEHAVIORAL SERVICES.
THE PIECE THAT WILL REMAIN CONSTANT ACROSS ALL MODELS PRESENTED TODAY IS THE COST TO EXIT AN INDIVIDUAL TO HOUSING.
AS STATED IN THE JANUARY HHS REAL-TIME REH REHOUSING SUBJECT RECIPIENT AGREEMENT PRESENTATION, THE CURRENT COST OF CASE MANAGEMENT HOUSING AND 12 MONTHS OF RENTAL AS HOUSING NAVIGATION AND 12 MONTHS OF RENTAL ASSISTANCE NEEDED TO ACQUIRE HOUSING AND STABILIZE SOMEONE IN IT AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT 25,000 PER CLIENT.
THAT IS A SUNK COST THAT THE SYSTEM ACTIVELY BUDGETS FOR MOVING INDIVIDUALS FROM ENCAMPMENTS AND SHELTER INTO HOUSING VIA THIS ROUTE.
LOOKING AT THE SEATTLE MODEL, THIS WRAPS IN THE CAPITAL ANNUAL OPERATING COST AND COST TO EXIT FOR 24 INDIVIDUALS OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.
FOR THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 1.4 MILLION IN TOTAL, OR 59,000 PER UNIT TO EXIT INDIVIDUALS TO HOUSING.
NOW IF WE'RE EXITING 48 PEOPLE PER YEAR AT AN AVERAGE OF SIX MONTHS PER STAY, THE OVERALL ANNUAL COST WOULD INCREASE, BUT DECREASE PER UNIT.
SO YOU'D BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 2 MILLION ANNUALLY, BUT 42,000 PER UNIT.
SIMILARLY, THE COMMUNITY FIRST MODEL COMES OUT TO THE LISTED TOTAL FOR 225 INDIVIDUALS ANNUALLY, OR 34 MILLION ANNUALLY, AND ROUGHLY 76,000 PER UNIT FOR 450 INDIVIDUALS IF PEOPLE ARE EXITING EVERY SIX MONTHS.
OUR NEXT PRODUCT TYPE IS WITHIN THE MANUFACTURED PRODUCT TYPE AND IS KNOWN AS A PALLET HOME.
THESE HAVE EVOLVED GREATLY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS TO WITHSTAND GREATER WIND SPEEDS, COSTS LESS OVERALL, AND HAVE A NICER LOOK ABOUT THEM.
THEY DO NOT READILY COME WITH WHAT IS CONSIDERED A PERMANENT FOUNDATION AND ARE NOT INTENDED FOR LONG-TERM USE.
OUR USE CASE HERE IS THE PALLET SITE, A SECCO IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA.
THIS SITE IS A FORMER PARKING LOT LEASED BY THE CITY FOR THIS TEMPORARY HOUSING PROJECT THAT ANTICIPATES BEING AN ACTION FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THE SITE HAS 123 UNITS, WHICH SIX OF, WITH SIX OF THOSE BEING LARGER UNITS THAT ARE UTILIZED AS OFFICE AND COMMUNITY SPACES.
THE COST FOR PURCHASE SHIPPING AND TAX ON THE UNITS WAS 1.1, UH, ONE 5 MILLION OR ABOUT 9,000 PER UNIT.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ANNUAL OPERATIONS COST OR SITE PREPARATION COST, WHICH WAS DONE BY THE UH, LOS ANGELES ENGINEERING BUREAU.
SO WE WILL FLIP TO THREE ADDITIONAL SITES FOR OUR COST ANALYSIS.
AS WITH THE INDUSTRIAL HOUSING MODELS, THESE MANUFACTURED HOUSING PRODUCTS PROJECTS INCLUDE THE ALREADY BUDGETED SYSTEM COST OF ROUGHLY 25,000 PER PERSON TO UTILIZE CASE MANAGEMENT, HOUSING NAVIGATION, AND AN AVERAGE OF 12 MONTHS OF RENT TO BOTH ACQUIRE AND REMAIN STABLY IN HOUSING.
THE COST PER SITE VARIES LARGELY BASED ON SIZE, SITE PREPARATION AND TIMELINE TO HOUSING ACROSS THESE MODELS.
THE COST WILL INCREASE OVERALL IF A SIX MONTH TIMELINE TO HOUSING IS UTILIZED, DOUBLING THE PER PERSON SERVED, BUT AGAIN, THE UNIT COSTS WILL DECREASE.
OUR LAST HOUSING TYPE IS THE RETROFITTED SHIPPING CONTAINER, ANOTHER TYPE OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
INTERESTINGLY, THIS TYPE HAS BEEN USED AS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, BUT DUE TO THE FOUNDATION TYPE WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS MANUFACTURED HOUSING HERE IN DALLAS.
WHILE THESE UNITS CAN AFFORD A LARGER, LARGER AMOUNT OF SPACE PER PERSON, INCLUDING AN IN-UNIT, BATHROOM AND KITCHEN, THE COST TO RETROFIT A CONTAINER IS HIGHER THAN THE TWO PREVIOUS MODELS HERE COSTING ABOUT 126,000 PER UNIT NETTING TWO UNITS PER CONTAINER.
THE USE CASE FOR THIS PRODUCT TYPE IS A PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SITE IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA, KNOWN AS THE MELODY.
THE SITE CONSISTS OF 20 SHIPPING CONTAINERS TOTALING 40 UNITS WITH 32 BEING A DA ACCESSIBLE.
ROUGHLY HALF OF THE UNITS WERE DONATED, DONATED BY THE GEORGIA EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, WHICH PREVIOUSLY RETROFITTED THEM FOR UTILIZATION DURING COVID-19.
THE COST TO SHIP AND INSTALL THE ORIGINAL UNITS ENDED UP BEING ABOUT THE SAME AS THE COST IT TOOK TO CREATE MATCHING UNITS AT AN AVERAGE OF 126,000.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, COMING OUT TO ABOUT 5 MILLION IN CAPITAL COSTS FOR THE TOTAL SITE.
IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE COST ANALYSIS FOR THIS MODEL IS BASED SOLELY ON THE MELODY AS THE CURRENT STANDOUT PROJECT TYPE FOR SHIPPING CONTAINERS.
AS STATED, THE CAPITAL COST COMES OUT IN AT 5 MILLION.
ADDITIONAL OPERATING COST SPECIFICS WERE NOT AVAILABLE, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY ARE UNDERWRITTEN BY THE USE OF HOUSING VOUCHERS ATTACHED TO EACH UNIT.
THAT ANNUAL RENT SOURCE ALSO PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL SOURCE OF INCOME, WHICH CAN BE REINVESTED INTO THE ANNUAL OPERATING
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COST AT A PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROPERTY, WHICH IS NORMAL FOR MOST PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECTS.THE PROJECT ALSO LACKS A MOVE-ON COST BECAUSE THIS MODEL IS INTENDED TO BE PERMANENT HOUSING.
IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMBINED COST ANALYSIS.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE LARGER PATHWAYS TO HOUSING, I WANT TO PAUSE HERE FOR A MOMENT TO REVIEW THE OVERALL COST ANALYSIS OUTSIDE OF PERMANENT UNITS ACCESSED VIA THE PRIVATE MARKET.
THE HOUSING TYPES WE HAVE COVERED VARY LARGELY IN COST BASED ON THE SIZE OF EACH SITE, THE PREPARATION NEEDED TO GET THE SITE READY FOR THE HOUSING PRODUCT, THE EXIT TO PERMANENT HOUSING COST, AND THE TIMELINE TO HOUSING.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THANK YOU.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THE HOUSING TYPES WE'VE DISCUSSED INTO PERSPECTIVE AS A PART OF THE OVERALL PATH TO HOUSING.
THE CURRENT PATHWAY TO HOUSING CONSISTS OF A ROUGHLY EIGHT WEEK CYCLE CONSISTING OF COORDINATED OUTREACH WORKERS WHOSE FUNDING IS BAKED INTO THE SYSTEM.
THESE ENGAGE WITH INDIVIDUALS AND ENCAMPMENTS AND HOTSPOTS SENDING THEIR SPECIFIC NEEDS AND PREFERENCES TO HOUSING NAVIGATORS WHO IDENTIFY HOUSING STOCK IN COORDINATION WITH CASE MANAGERS WHO WILL HELP EACH INDIVIDUAL ENROLL INTO THE BEST FIT PROGRAM FOR THEM AS THEY TRANSITION FROM THE OUTREACH STAFF INTO HOUSING WITH CASE MANAGERS.
THIS IS WHERE THE AVERAGE COST OF THE 25,000 PER PERSON COMES IN.
THEN WE MOVE INTO THE STABILIZATION OF HOUSING FUNDED THROUGH VOUCHERS AND RAPID REHOUSING, WHICH PROVIDES 24 TO 40, 20 12 TO 24 MONTHS OF RENTAL ASSISTANCE ADDING IN A TEMPORARY ALTERNATE HOUSING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY A FIVE PLUS MONTH CYCLE WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE ADDED TO A HOUSING SITE OUTSIDE OF THAT EXISTING SYSTEM TIMELINE.
SO THEY ARE ENGAGED BY STREET OUTREACH AND DROPPED OFF AT THE IDENTIFIED SITE IF REQUESTED.
WHILE THE STREET OUTREACH IS ALREADY FULLY FUNDED BY OUR SYSTEM, THIS HANDS THE INDIVIDUALS OFF TO A NEW PROJECT FOR WHICH CAPITAL AND OPERATING COSTS VARIES WIDELY AS WE HAVE SEEN.
NEXT, THE INDIVIDUAL IS CONNECTED TO THE SYSTEM'S HOUSING PROCESS WITH THAT 25,000 PER PERSON COST.
THEN MOVING INTO RENTAL SUBSIDIES AS DISCUSSED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE FIVE MONTH TIMELINE ACCOUNTS FOR THIS SITE, TAKING THE TIME TO BE FACTORED INTO THE NORMAL ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSION AND CLOSURE CLOSURE SCHEDULE AS RESOURCES BECOME AVAILABLE AND IS ALSO BASED ON, UM, A STUDY, A USE CASE THAT WE DID HERE, UH, WHEN WE HAD ABOUT 105 PEOPLE GOING INTO HOTEL WHEN WE HAD TO VERY QUICKLY CLOSE DOWN AN ENCAMPMENT RIGHT BEFORE DECOMMISSIONING WAS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE.
AND THAT WAS ROUGHLY THE TIMELINE IT TOOK FOR PEOPLE TO GO INTO HOTEL AND THEN BE MOVED PERMANENTLY INTO HOUSING.
SO MOVING ON TO THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, GIVEN ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, THIS IS REALLY WHERE, UH, YOUR INPUT IS REQUIRED TO SHAPE THE NEXT STEPS OF THIS PROCESS IDEATION.
SO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE AND WOULD REQUEST FEEDBACK ON ARE WHAT ARE THE PREFERRED USE CASES YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THESE? ARE THEY TEMPORARY? ARE THEY PERMANENT? IS IT A MIX OF BOTH? WHAT TYPES OF SITES IN TERMS OF, UH, FOCUS ON INDIVIDUALS? UM, WHAT TIMELINE SHOULD THE PILOT BE? WE'VE PROPOSED 12 MONTHS.
HOW MANY UNITS SHOULD THE PILOT CONTAIN THE BEST PRACTICES? WE'VE SEEN SAY THAT THE SWEET SPOTS AROUND 50 UNITS, BUT IF WE PICKED A SITE THAT HAD ROOM TO EXPAND, THEN PERHAPS THAT EXPANSION COULD SAVE US SOME SHARED FACILITIES COST WITH THOSE ALREADY CREATED FOR THE CORE HOUSING.
HOW SHOULD LOCATIONS BE IDENTIFIED? THIS IS WHERE STAFF WOULD WANT TO WORK TO DEVELOP CRITERIA TO DETERMINE FEASIBLE LOCATIONS FOR POTENTIAL SITES AND PARTNERSHIP WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO KNOW THEIR DISTRICTS WELL.
UM, HOW WILL THE PILOT BE FUNDED? SO CAPITAL EXPENSE WISE, WE HAD 1 MILLION, UH, FOR A ONE TIME FISCAL YEAR, 24 GENERAL FUND SANCTION ENCAMPMENT PARTNERSHIP.
UM, I ALSO GONNA MENTION IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT THAT EXPIRES IN SEPTEMBER, BUT WE DO STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IF WE WANTED TO USE THAT FOR SOME TYPE OF EXPLORATORY PHASE AND 2024 BOND FUNDING.
SUSTAINABLE OPERATING FUNDS, WE DO NOT HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATING WOULD NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN BY AN OUTSIDE PARTNER.
AND AGAIN, HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE EXISTING FUNDED PATHWAYS TO HOUSING? GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
A FEW ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO CONSIDER, UM, AS WE SOURCE THAT FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL IS THAT ANY PREFAB, PREFABRICATED, OR MANUFACTURED STRUCTURE MUST BE APPROVED BY THE STATE PRIOR TO USE.
UM, THAT'S WHERE THE NOFA PROCESS WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO VET ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
COULD PERMANENT HOUSING STRUCTURES BE UTILIZED FOR TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT USES? SO COULD WE BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S EASIER TO ZONE AND LONGER LASTING AND THEN HAVE IT HAVE DIFFERENT USE CASES OVER ITS LIFECYCLE COST? AGAIN, THIS IS DICTATED BY THE USE CASE AND AVAILABLE SITE CONDITIONS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A LACK OF SUSTAINABLE OPERATING FUNDS, AGAIN FOR THE USE CASE, IF IT'S A SHORT-TERM HOUSING SPACE.
WHAT IS THE PLANNED LIFESPAN OF EACH SITE AND THE PROJECT IN TOTAL THAT WE ARE WANTING TO ACHIEVE? COULD THE UNITS BE UPCYCLED INTO A LONGER TERM USE ONCE THE PROJECT ENDS?
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AND FINALLY ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WHATEVER THE USE CASE BE, THAT INDUSTRIAL HOUSING BE UTILIZED.AS WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, COST VARIES ACROSS ALL PRODUCT TYPES WITH KEY FACTORS BEING THE SITE CHOSEN, THE AMOUNT OF PREPARATION IT REQUIRES, THE PLAN SIZE OF THE SITE, AND HOW QUICKLY WE CAN CYCLE PEOPLE THROUGH THE SITE.
GIVEN THIS, THE RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON WHAT COULD BE MOST QUICKLY STOOD UP ACROSS MORE AREAS IN THE CITY.
UNDER THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODES, THE PRODUCT WHILE PERMANENT, CAN HAVE MULTIPLE USE CASES AND A LONGER LIFESPAN THAN A TEMPORARY PRODUCT ON OUR NEXT STEPS.
UM, NEXT STEPS WOULD BE INCORPORATING CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FEEDBACK GLEANED HERE TODAY AND DEVELOP CRITERIA FOR FEASIBLE LOCATIONS.
WE WOULD THEN COME BACK TO MEET WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT A USE CASE AND LOCATION FEEDBACK.
AND THEN GIVEN ALL OF THAT, UH, WE WOULD DEVELOP A NOFA PROCESS TO IDENTIFY A DEVELOPER AND OPERATING PARTNER.
AGAIN, COST DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS.
UH, NOTES THAT I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE ON CAPITAL EXP EXPENSE EXPENSES, WE HAVE, UH, ROUGHLY A MILLION THAT COULD BE USED BEFORE OBLIGATED BEFORE SEPTEMBER, SOME 2024 BOND FUNDING.
UM, SUSTAINABLE OPERATING FUNDS WOULD NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN.
AND THEN PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT WOULD BE DEVELOPED AND OPERATED BY A THIRD PARTY IDENTIFIED VIA THE NOFA.
AND AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER CHAIR FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, AND OF COURSE, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS APPEAR TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE UNDER A YEAR AGO SINCE I TOOK THE ROLE AS HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS COMMITTEE CHAIR WITH ONE BIG GOAL IN MIND, AND THAT'S HOW CAN WE HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS? I'M BY NO MEANS AN EXPERT OR PROFESSIONAL IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT I SEE IN WHAT I HEAR ALONG THE JOURNEY.
I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH PROVIDERS HERE IN DALLAS AND AROUND THE COUNTRY GETTING FAMILIAR WITH BEST, BEST PRACTICES IN ALL OPTIONS.
I HAVE STOPPED TO TALK TO THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESS HOMELESSNESS AND ASK WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER TO SERVE THEM, INCLUDING THOSE RIGHT OUTSIDE DALLAS CITY HALL PEOPLE CAMPING ALONGSIDE ST.
PAUL STREET AND THOSE IN CREEK BEDS HAVE IT ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND HEAR FROM RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND LEARN HOW HOMELESSNESS AFFECTS THEM.
YES, WE HAVE HAD MANY SUCCESS STORIES AND WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY CELEBRATE THOSE.
HOUSING FIRST HAS PROVEN TO WORK FOR SOME PEOPLE, AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE HAS A UNIQUE STORY AND CIRCUMSTANCES ON HOW THEY HAVE BECOME HOMELESSNESS.
THEREFORE, WE SHOULD TAILOR HOUSING NEEDS TO EACH UNIQUE CLIENT.
BACK IN JANUARY, I CHALLENGED STAFF TO COME BACK TO US WITH ALTERNATIVE HOUSING MODELS THAT FIT THE NEEDS OF DALLAS.
OUR COMMITTEE HAS EXPRESSED CONCERNS WITH THE MODELS AND TIMES IT TAKES TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS.
ENCAMPMENTS, MY COLLEAGUES AND I HAVE DISCUSSED NEW IDEAS AND POSSIBLE POLICY CHANGES.
ONCE AGAIN, I ASK THE PUBLIC TO CONTINUE TO REACH OUT AND MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD BY JOINING US AT DALLAS CITY HALL ON WEDNESDAY, EMAILING OUR OFFICES AND CONTINUING TO USE THE 3 1 1 SYSTEM TO GET A SNAPSHOT OF THE NUMBER OF THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
I ASK THIS BECAUSE I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN AN INCREASE IN OUR VISIBLY HOMELESS AND ENCAMPMENTS, BUT WE NEED TO DOCUMENT IT SO WE CAN BETTER ADDRESS IT.
I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR AND ALL OUR PARTNERS FOR THEIR COMMITMENT AND HARD WORK THAT THEY DO EACH DAY AND NIGHT.
THE ONE THING I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TO OUR PUBLIC AND TO STAFF IS THAT OUR SIDEWALKS CAN NO LONGER BE THE WAITING ROOM.
THAT WILL START WITH VICE CHAIR MIDDLESTON.
WELL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK THE MOST INTERESTING QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED UNDER THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE, WHICH IS PAGE 16 OF POLICY CONSIDERATIONS, WHICH IS HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO EXISTING FUNDED PATHWAYS TO HOUSING? AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALSO ASKING HOW THIS FITS INTO THE FOUR PRONG STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN, UM, IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW.
AND I THINK THE ANSWER, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY TO CHAIR MORENO'S COMMENTS IS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING IN THAT ENTIRE POLICY, WHICH IS WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO ADDRESS PEOPLE WHO REFUSE SERVICES, WHO JUST ABSOLUTELY SAY NO, NO TO SHELTER, NO TO HOUSING.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT I'M AWARE OF UNLESS YOU WANNA SHARE WITH ME THAT WE ARE DOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT OTHER THAN PERSISTENT OUTREACH.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA GO AND ASK THE PERSON AND THAT MAYBE ON THE HUNDREDTH TIME THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THEIR MIND.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU THEY'RE NOT.
AND I AGREE WITH CHAIR MORENO.
HOMELESSNESS IN DISTRICT 12 IS DEFINITELY GROWING.
AS I TRAVEL FROM THE FARTHEST NORTH PART OF DALLAS DOWN TO CITY HALL, I DRIVE THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
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DISTRICTS, 11, 13, 10, 14, 2 EVERY DAY.ALL OF THEM HAVE INCREASED HOMELESSNESS, EVERY ONE OF 'EM.
SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THE POINT IN TIME COUNT, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO IT, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S REQUIRED BY LAW AND I UNDERSTAND THE METHODOLOGY, AND I LITERALLY USED TO LEAVE POINT IN TIME COUNT FOR COLLIN COUNTY.
I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S NO WAY IN DALLAS HOMELESSNESS IS DECREASED.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE SERVICE REQUESTS COMING IN ON, ON 3 1 1, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.
SO WE HAVE TO ADJUST OUR STRATEGY TO ACTUALLY MEET OUR CHALLENGES.
ALSO, SINCE THAT POLICY WAS ENACTED, UM, OR ADOPTED, I SHOULD SAY, THE STATE HAS IMPLEMENTED A NEW LAW WHICH SAYS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CAMP ON PUBLIC LAND.
AND I'M NOT SURE HOW, AND MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE ENCAMPED ON OUR PUBLIC LAND AND JUST 'CAUSE WE GO OUT THERE AND SAY, HEY, CAN WE HELP YOU? CAN WE CONNECT YOU WITH SERVICES? AND THEY SAY, NO.
IS THAT REALLY A DEFENSE FOR US? BECAUSE WE NEED TO PUT IN A STRATEGY THAT WILL ACTUALLY ADDRESS REMOVING PEOPLE FROM OUR PUBLIC LAND.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH I THINK IS TRYING TO ACTUALLY MEET THAT NEED.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO INVEST IN IT, AND WE HAVE TO ADD THIS TO THE MIX OF OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT TAKE SERVICES, WHICH I THINK THEY SHOULD, AND I HOPE THEY WOULD.
AND JUST TO ADD, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE THROUGH THE DECOMMISSIONING AND PUTTING PEOPLE INTO HOUSING THROUGH THE REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE.
HOWEVER, AS YOU SAID, THERE ARE MULTIPLE USE CASES THAT ALL OF THE HOUSING WE'VE LAID OUT COULD BE USED FOR.
AND SO ASIDE FROM OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PERMANENT FOUNDATION BE SOMETHING WE UTILIZE FOR EASE OF ZONING, THE USE CASES ARE WIDE OPEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG SHOULD PEOPLE BE THERE? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE FOR HIGH ACUITY UTILIZERS? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE FOR EVERYONE? FOR SENIORS WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF HOW WE NARROW DOWN THE FOCUS FOR THE FIRST PILOT.
SO IN 2019, I THINK, UH, CHAIRMAN WEST WAS THE CHAIR OF HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS AT THAT POINT.
I THINK I WAS STILL VICE CHAIR
AND THERE WAS, UM, A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS EXACT THING.
IT WAS, IT WAS MAYBE NOT EVEN PUBLIC THOUGH.
AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE PERMANENT PADS BECAME THE OBSTACLE BECAUSE IT'S SO COSTLY TO DO THAT.
AND SO HERE'S AN IDEA FOR YOU, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, AND THIS MAY BE A THOR QUESTION.
YOU READY? SO WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THIS FROM THE TINY HOUSE PALLET MANUFACTURED INDUSTRIAL.
WHAT IF THEY WERE INSIDE OF A WAREHOUSE? RIGHT? WHAT IF YOU LITERALLY TOOK A PALLET HOME OR ONE OF THESE OTHER METHODS? I'M JUST GONNA USE THAT ONE BECAUSE I THINK ALMOST EVERYBODY HAS BEEN TO A PALLET COMMUNITY, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE A FOUNDATION.
AND IT LAID UPON AN EXISTING SLAB OF A, A ROOFED WAREHOUSE.
SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING, AND THEN IT HAD CONGREGATE BATHROOMS, LAUNDRY, KITCHEN FACILITY.
YOU GONNA DELEGATE THAT ONE? SO, HI, I'M MEGAN WEIMER WITH PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.
SO, AND IF YOU COULD JUST GO A LITTLE CLOSER.
UM, SO I WILL START BY TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE UNIT PER LOT, THAT SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIPLE UNITS PER LOT, THAT'S MULTIFAMILY.
UM, SO THE ZONING IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD THERE.
UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THESE MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL UNITS WITHIN, WITHIN ONE WAREHOUSE, UM, I MEAN, I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME BUILDING CODE IMPLICATIONS, UM, AND I'M NOT THE PERSON TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT IF THERE WERE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWED WAREHOUSE AND ALSO ALLOWED MULTIFAMILY USE, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.
UM, MOST OF OUR, WELL, OUR, WE HAVE QUITE, I DON'T WANT IT SEGREGATED DISTRICTS IN THAT OUR NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS CURRENTLY DON'T ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES OTHER THAN LIKE THE MIXED USE.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT IN A WAREHOUSE SO IT'S NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA ALREADY.
AND IT WOULD ALREADY HAVE POWER, IT ALREADY HAVE WATER.
IT WOULD ALREADY HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE
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NECESSARY, AND IT WOULD ALREADY HAVE AN ANCHORED FOUNDATION.AND WHAT IT WOULD PROVIDE IS PRIVACY, WHICH IS, UM, HIGHLY VALUED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS AND ABILITY TO LOCK THEIR UNIT SO THAT THEIR ITEMS WOULDN'T BE STOLEN AND THEY WOULD FEEL SECURE WHEN THEY'RE INSIDE.
UM, AND ONSITE SERVICES THAT KEEP THEM CLEAN, WHICH HELPS ADDRESS SOME OF THE HEALTH CHALLENGES THAT DR. WONG SAID.
HE DIDN'T SAY HEP A, BUT THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE.
AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW SERVICE PROVIDERS TO COME TO ONE LOCATION AND ENGAGE, INSTEAD OF SENDING OUT SO MANY PEOPLE ACROSS OUR 384 SQUARE MILES, THEY WOULD KNOW WHERE TO GO TO DEVELOP THOSE LASTING RELATIONSHIPS.
I THINK THE NUMBER WAS 17 NEW OUTREACH WORKERS IN THIS FISCAL BUDGET.
WE CANNOT KEEP ADDING OUTREACH WORKERS WHO GO OUT TO PEOPLE WHO SAY, I DON'T WANT SERVICES.
ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THE FUNDING SOURCE SHIFTS.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A PERMANENT FOUNDATION, WE CAN'T USE ANY BOND FUNDS FOR THAT.
SO JUST A COST CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM.
SO FOR THE REST OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, UM, I, I WOULD ASK YOU FOR, UH, PAGE 15.
YOU'VE GOT THE PATHWAYS TO HOUSING, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE THREE STEPS AND THEN YOU, ON THE SECOND ROW, YOU JUST ADDED THE NEW STEP IN, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
THIS WOULD JUST BE WHERE PEOPLE GO WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THOSE OTHER STEPS.
SO IF YOU COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR EACH OF THOSE BOXES OF WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THOSE FUNDS? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE MENTIONING THAT THIS WAS ALREADY FUNDED.
SO IF YOU CAN GIVE SOURCE OF FUNDS AND ALSO THE LIKELIHOOD OF A CONTINUATION OF FUNDS.
SO IF THIS IS FUNDING THAT'S COMING FROM HUD AND IT'S PART OF THE COCS, UM, ANNUAL GRANT, IT'S VERY LIKELY IT WOULD CONTINUE.
IF IT'S COMING FROM GENERAL FUND FOR CITY COUNCIL, I WOULD SAY MAYBE NOT LIKELY TO CONTINUE.
UM, COULD, IF IT'S BOND FUNDS NOT LIKELY TO CONTINUE, WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH BOND FOR ANOTHER WHO KNOWS HOW LONG.
UM, AND THEN IF ANY OF THOSE FUNDS COULD BE REDIRECTED, SHOULD WE CHOOSE NOW? AGAIN, COC FUNDS, NOBODY'S LOOKING TO REDIRECT THAT, BUT GENERAL FUNDS, YES, WE MIGHT WANNA DO THAT.
UM, FOR THE PILOT TIMELINE, 12 MONTHS I THINK IS WAY TOO SHORT.
I THINK YOU CAN'T DO THIS FOR LESS THAN TWO YEARS BECAUSE YOU'RE INVESTING, FIRST OF ALL, TOO MUCH MONEY IN SETTING UP, WHETHER IT'S FOUNDATIONS, UTILITIES, GETTING THE WORD OUT, GETTING THE PROCESS DONE.
I MEAN, WE CAN BARELY GET A PROCUREMENT DONE IN A YEAR.
SO I, A PILOT HAS TO BE AT LEAST TWO YEARS IN MY MIND.
UM, YOU'RE SUGGESTING 50 UNITS WITH ROOM TO EXPAND.
UM, THE THING THAT WASN'T MENTIONED IN HERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LITERALLY WANT TO CAMP.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A GRASSY AREA FOR THOSE WHO WILL NOT GO UNDER A ROOF.
AND SO THAT WHOLE ISSUE DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED HERE, BUT I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE HAND IN HAND WITH, UM, INDIVIDUAL SHELTERS, BUT ACCESS TO THAT CONGREGATE, BATHROOMS, SHOWERS, WASHING, UH, UH, LAUNDRY FACILITIES, AND OF COURSE FOOD.
UM, I, I WOULD GUESS WE WOULD DO THIS IN STAGES BECAUSE WHAT IF, WHAT IF WE FIND PEOPLE DON'T WANNA DO IT RIGHT THEN WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE 200 UNITS.
SO IF YOU DO 50 AND IT FILLS UP IN THE FIRST MONTH, WELL, WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO ANOTHER 50.
AND I THINK YOU LEAVE THAT OPEN-ENDED AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT FOR A TWO YEAR PILOT, I WOULD EXPECT WE WOULD PROBABLY END UP WITH 200 OF THEM.
MAYBE NOT ALL AT THE SAME SITE THOUGH.
SO FROM THE PLACES I'VE TOURED, UM, WHEN I DID WORK AS A PROFESSIONAL IN, IN HOMELESSNESS, UM, I THINK A HUNDRED UNITS OF INDIVIDUAL UNITS IS PROBABLY THE MOST, BUT WITH AN ADDITIONAL CAMPSITE CONNECTED TO IT FOR THOSE WHO WON'T, UM, ATTEND.
UH, FOR YOUR QUESTION ON WHERE SHOULD IT GO? UM, I THINK THE TWO CRITERIA THAT ARE NECESSARY, THERE'S PROBABLY OTHERS, UM, ARE DISTRICTS WITHOUT HOMELESS FACILITIES AND DISTRICTS WITH ACCESSES ACCESS TO RESOURCES.
SO WHETHER THAT'S IT'S ON A BUS LINE, WE GET DAR TO ADD A BUS LINE THERE, WHETHER WE ADD OUR CIRCULATOR VAN DOWNTOWN AND WE ADD THAT AS A STOP, BUT WE CAN'T PUT THIS IN SOME REMOTE PLACE AND THEN SAY GOOD LUCK TO FOLKS.
THEY HAVE TO STILL BE PART OF OUR CITY AND PART OF ALL OF THE OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE WELL ESTABLISHED AND FUNCTIONING WELL.
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THERE'S OTHER CRITERIA I WOULD PROBABLY PUT IN, BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING TOO SPECIFIC.UM, AND I KNOW I'VE ALREADY TAKEN A LOT OF TIME, SO I'M GONNA END MY COMMENTS AT THIS AND JUST SAY THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD CONTINUE TO WORK WITH A CHAIR WHO I THINK HAS SHOWN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF LEADERSHIP IN ADDRESSING THIS AND CAN PROBABLY HELP GUIDE ADDITIONAL SPECIFICATIONS.
AND I ALSO WANNA SECOND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND CONTINUING TO MAKE THIS A PRIORITY.
MY NOTES ARE A LITTLE MESSY, BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO GET ORGANIZED HERE.
UM, SO LET'S, I'M GONNA WORK OFF OF SLIDE 14, IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP.
AND I'M JUST GONNA ASK, THIS IS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION, UH, FOR CHRISTINE, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THE BIGGEST NEED IN OUR HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE SYSTEM? TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT HOUSING AT THIS JUNCTURE? PERMANENT AND SPECIFICALLY MORE RAPID REHOUSING FUNDING.
UM, IN ADDITION DIVERSION FUNDING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S THIS EXPENSIVE.
UM, ON THIS SLIDE, UM, LOOKING AT TINY HOMES FIRST, WHAT NOW THIS CATEGORY THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE FOR TINY HOMES DOES NOT INCLUDE BATHROOMS IN THE TINY HOMES, RIGHT? IT DOES.
SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PRODUCTS ACROSS ALL OF THESE.
SOME OF THEM YOU CAN ADD THE BATHROOMS IN.
YOU COULD ALSO DO CONGREGATE BATHROOMS. THAT'S WHY THE COST VARIES SO WIDELY.
UM, AND WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT A NOFA THAT COULD THEN DO THE VETTING PROCESS ACROSS ALL THOSE PRODUCTS TO SEE WHAT'S VIABLE, NOT ONLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT IN DALLAS.
AND I KNOW THOR, IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE, AND MAYBE LET ME JUMP IN.
I CERTAINLY WILL LET YOU PLEASE ANSWER, BUT I THOUGHT WHY WILL, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY HUD WON'T PAY FOR, UM, WHY WE CAN'T GET HUD TO PAY MORE OF A PORTION OF THE TINY HOMES GIVEN THAT IT HAS BATHROOMS AND IT QUALIFIES PERMANENT HOUSING.
UH,
UM, IF THE HOMES ARE PERMANENT ON A FOUNDATION, THEN WE CAN USE FEDERAL FUNDS FOR THAT TYPE OF HOUSING ACTIVITY.
BUT IF THE HOMES ARE TEMPORARY OR MANUFACTURED, UM, THE HUD FUNDS THAT WE GET TYPICALLY ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE, UH, TEMPORARY HOMES, NOT ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION.
SO LIKE THE, ON THE, ON THE FOURTH, ON THE FOURTH LINE, THAT WOULD BE THEORETICALLY COULD BE A TINY HOME, UM, THAT A ANOTHER TYPE OF STRUCTURE VERSUS IT COULD BE THE SAME UNITS ON THE TOP LINE AND THE BOTTOM LINE, RIGHT? YES.
JUST THE BOTTOM ONE WOULD HAVE A PERMANENT FOUNDATION.
AND TINY HOMES, RIGHT? CAN THEY'RE, IT'S, A LOT OF THEM ARE DICTATED BY THE SIZE, AND THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT CODES DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE PERMANENT FOUNDATION OR NON, UH, SO TINY HOMES CAN BE MANUFACTURED OR THEY CAN BE INDUSTRIALIZED, RIGHT? SO TINY HOMES IS A VERY GENERAL CATEGORY FOR A SMALL UNIT.
UM, IT IS DEFINED IN OUR CODE IN TERMS OF ITS USE, IN TERMS OF INDUSTRIALIZED ZONING AS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, BUT IT CAN TAKE OTHER FORMS AND BE A SMALL LIVING UNIT.
I WILL ALSO SAY THE BOTTOM LINE IS PRIVATE MARKET UNITS.
SO THIS IS UTILIZING WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM AND THAT THAT COST IN THAT 25 MILLION OR 25,000 PER PERSON, SO THAT IF WE'RE BUILDING SOMETHING, IT'S JUST GONNA INHERENTLY BE MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOP THREE LINES, THE BOTTOM LINE IS JUST OUR EXISTING PATH TO HOUSING.
THIS IS THE COST OF TAKING PEOPLE DIRECTLY FROM HOMELESSNESS AND PUTTING THEM INTO EXISTING MARKET RATE HOUSING.
WELL, IF THE COST IS SO MUCH LESS, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON THE BOTTOM LINE? WE WERE ALREADY DOING THAT.
THE GUIDANCE THAT WE HAD GOTTEN IS TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT ADDITIONAL TOOLS COULD BE ADDED TO THE TOOLBOX AND HOW MUCH WOULD THAT COST, WHICH WOULD BE ONE OF THE TOP THREE.
SO I MEAN, IF WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO ADDITIONAL THINGS, I GUESS I UNDERSTAND.
UM, I AGREE WITH CHAIR MIDDLESTON ON THE TIMELINE.
UM, DO WE, WE THINK GIVEN, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESSES AND PROCUREMENT, DO WE REALLY THINK 12 MONTHS IS, IS DOABLE FOR ONE OF THESE NEW ENDEAVORS? I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW QUICKLY WE CAN ROLL IN THE FEEDBACK FROM THIS BODY, COME BACK TO YOU AND GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE SAYING, YES, PLEASE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY, UH, COMMUNITIES IN, IN EACH DISTRICT ARE ALSO GOOD TO GO.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD DO IT THROUGH, I THINK WE'RE THINKING A NOFA PROCESS, WHICH COULD BE FASTER.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT UTILIZING THAT 1 MILLION THAT'S, UH, LEFTOVER AS AN EARMARK FROM OUR CURRENT YEAR TO DO ANY TYPE OF EXPLORATORY WORK, BECAUSE THAT EXPIRES IN SEPTEMBER, SO WE NEED TO GET IT OBLIGATED BEFORE THEN.
BUT THEN IN, IN TERMS OF STANDING UP THE PILOT, IT WOULD BE WHOEVER IS RESPONDING TO THE NOFA.
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UM, I ALSO, JUST A COUPLE THINGS I DIDN'T WANNA LET SLIP BY HERE IS I, I CAN SHARE MY COLLEAGUES' CONCERNS WITH THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.I THINK IT'S, WE KNOW IT'S NOT ACCURATE.
IT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO USE AT THIS POINT.
IT'S WHAT OUR, OUR HUD FUNDING IS BASED OFF OF.
SO I'M GONNA, I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US TO CONTINUE TO CRITICIZE THE CHALLENGES WITH THIS, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT, IS THAT THAT IS THE DATA COLLECTION SOURCE THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE UNTIL SOMETHING BETTER IS CREATED AND OUR TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN HUD FUNDING IS COMING BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT POINT IN TIME COUNT.
UM, SO WE NEED TO EMBRACE IT UNTIL WE CAN FIX IT.
I MAY HAVE ANOTHER ROUND, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA GET ORGANIZED OVER HERE.
UM, I'M GONNA START WITH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SEEMS A BIT INSENSITIVE, BUT JUST WITH, WITH, WITH THE NEWS WITH CITY SQUARE AND ALL OF THAT, WHAT WERE THOSE UNITS, HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE ON THIS LIST? HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE THOSE UNITS THAT THEY HAVE OVER THERE? THE COTTAGES? YEAH.
SO THE INTERESTING THING THERE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IS THAT CITY SQUARE.
SO CITY SQUARE AND CITY SQUARE HOUSING COMBINED A WHILE BACK, BUT THEN THEY BROKE BACK APART.
SO THE COTTAGES AND CITY WALK AND SOME OF THEIR OTHER PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, WITHIN A SELF-SUSTAINING ORGANIZATION THAT'S, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED? IT'S COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SOMETHING.
THEY ALSO BROKE OFF, UH, TRACK THE YOUTH ORGANIZATION.
SO THOSE ARE NOT IMPACTED AT ALL.
NOW, THE MAIN CAMPUS WHERE THEY ARE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HA THEY'RE TRANSITIONING PEOPLE TO OTHER STRUCTURES.
AND I KNOW YOU HELP WITH THE COTTAGES, CORRECT? UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PERMANENT TINY HOMES, SO THEY'RE ALL ON FOUNDATIONS.
THEY'RE ALL ON A PURE AND BEAM FOUNDATION, UH, PERMANENT STRUCTURES.
UM, THE, THE, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I KNOW, AND I, AND I, I HATE, I CANNOT, I'M TERRIBLE WITH NAMES AND I CANNOT CALL HIS NAME, BUT HE COMES AND SPEAKS EVERY WEDNESDAY AND ALWAYS SAYS, YES.
CHECK, CHECK, CHECK OUT, PLEASE.
Y'ALL, LIKE, JUST TALK TO HIM.
AND, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
HE'S BEEN SAYING IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SHOULD BE INVITING, UH, FOLKS TO THE MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT SOMEHOW GETTING THE FEEDBACK FROM, UH, HIM AND HIS COMMUNITY AS WELL, I THINK WOULD BE GOOD IN TERMS OF JUST, I KNOW THIS IS A COST SITUATION ULTIMATELY, BUT AS WE EXPLORE THIS, JUST GETTING THAT FEEDBACK FROM THEM I THINK WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD BE OF VALUE TO HIM IN, IN THAT POPULATION.
SO I, I AM RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO THAT IN SOME FORM.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, MY COLLEAGUE CHAD MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, UH, AND I'M GONNA ASK IT STRAIGHT UP, INSERTING THIS STEP ON SLIDE 15, INSERTING THAT STEP THAT DOES THAT, DOES THIS SAVE US MONEY OR DOES THIS COST, AND I, AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I NEED TO HEAR IT.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD ADD MONEY.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AGAIN, THE NEW FUNDING NEEDED, UM, VARIES WIDELY PER UNIT, BUT WE NEED THE CAPITAL COST, WHICH IS GONNA VARY BASED ON WHAT YOU, WHAT PRODUCT TYPE IS CHOSEN AND THE SITE THAT'S CHOSEN.
UM, AND THEN WE NEED TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE, A DEVELOPER AND AN OPERATOR WHO COULD COME IN AND MANAGE THE SITE.
AND THIS WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT'S MANAGED BY THE CITY.
IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED AND MANAGED BY AN OUTSIDE PARTNER AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT OPERATING EXPENSE WITH THEM.
SO IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL STEP IN THE SYSTEM.
SO FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WOULD THIS EQUATE TO ANNUALLY FOR THE CITY IN A STEP LIKE IT, OUTSIDE OF THE, OUTSIDE OF THE 1 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND AND BOND FUNDS, IF WE'RE ABLE TO USE THEM, SURE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.
SO IT WOULD BE A TRUE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH MORE OF AN OUTSIDE LIFT.
THE CITY REALLY WOULD BE USING SEED MONEY.
AND THEN, AND, AND I, AND I'M, I'M LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUE, MS. MENEN, AND, AND, AND I AGREE, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO, UH, ANYONE'S EXPERIENCES THERE, BUT I GUESS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER IS HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, HOW DO YOU KNOW WITH ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS RAMP UP OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS AND ALL OF THAT, WITH ALL OF THE ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING, HOW DO YOU, OR HOW DO WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, PEOPLE BEING RELOCATED? AGAIN, THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY WANT TO STAY UNHOUSED.
SO IF YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO MOVE FROM HERE, THEN I'M GONNA FIND ME A NEW AREA.
OR BY, THROUGH THOSE EFFORTS, I ENDED UP OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN.
NOW HOW DO WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SEEING THESE NEW FACES THAT WE'RE SEEING, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT A RESULT OF BEING MISPLACED SOMEWHERE ELSE VERSUS
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NEWLY HOMELESS? SO THEY, THEY ARE FACES THAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE.UM, 95% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE ENGAGE ACROSS THE SYSTEM ACCEPT HOUSING.
UM, THE SMALL CONTINGENT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T READY MOVE, BUT ALSO OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS ARE HEALTH AND SAFETY OUTREACH WORKERS WHO ARE SOLELY OUT THERE TO HELP WITH THAT.
BUT ALSO WE'RE MAINLY OUT THERE TO DO CLEANINGS 3 1 1 RESPONSES, EMERGENCY CLOSURES THROUGH THE HOMELESS ACTION RESPONSE TEAM.
THAT CREATES A LOT OF MOVEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE ON THE CLEANINGS AND MAINTAINING OF, UH, SITE CLOSURE FOR SITES WE'VE ALREADY DECOMMISSIONED.
AND SO YOU CAN ACTIVELY SEE WHEN YOU'RE ON RIDE-ALONGS, PEOPLE MOVING BECAUSE DIFFERENT SITES ARE BEING DISTURBED IN THE EFFORTS TO KEEP THINGS CLOSED THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO CLOSING.
AND SO IT'S A MATTER OF THE ACTIVITY LOOKS LIKE IT'S, THERE'S A LOT MORE ACTIVITY WITH THE SAME PEOPLE AND IT'S JUST RAMPING UP HOW FAST WE CAN GET TO THEM TO HOUSE THEM.
BECAUSE ONCE WE GET TO THEM, THE CYCLE IS VERY FAST.
BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM, FROM THIS BODY IS THAT IN THE INTERIM PERIOD, THERE'S A WANT FOR SOMETHING FOR A PLACE TO PUT PEOPLE WHILE THEY'RE WAITING.
AND SO THE CYCLE IS VERY QUICK.
WE'RE GETTING FASTER, IT'S HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL, BUT WE ALSO HEAR THE WISH FROM THIS BODY TO HAVE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING ON THAT ENGAGEMENT.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I CAN APPRECIATE THE, THE PROCESS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT ONE FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE, DOES THIS END UP COSTING US MORE, UH, THE CITY MORE MONEY FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE? AND AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING INTO THE BUDGET SEASON ONE, IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME? AND TWO, YES, IT MIGHT BE THE RIGHT TIME BECAUSE I CAN APPRECIATE THE PROCESS TO DO IT TO, TO DOING IT, BUT DOES THE OUTCOME, DOES THE RETURN RIGHT NOW GIVE US WHAT WE HOPE TO DO? OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER BOTTLENECK? AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M HEARING CONVERSATIONS AGAIN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHERE SOME OF THESE NONPROFITS ARE SEEING MORE HOMELESS FOLKS THAN THEY'VE EVER SEEN, UH, IN, IN THE PAST.
AND MY MIND IMMEDIATELY GOES TO, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN DOING COLLECTIVELY.
SO NOW YOU'RE SEEING MORE VERSUS JUST EXISTING AND WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO COME.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THIS EFFORT OF SENDING PEOPLE THERE.
I'VE TALKED TOO LONG NOW I'VE GOT LOST IN MY THOUGHTS.
UM, I CAN SAY THAT FOR THE CITY, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING YOU'LL SEE REFLECTED IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET.
I SAID WE HAVE A MILLION IN GENERAL FUND THAT'S GONNA EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER AND THE BOND, AND THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAVE, EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY AN OUTSIDE AGENCY.
NOW SYSTEM-WISE, THIS DOES IMPACT THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IF WE'RE PUTTING DOLLARS HERE, WE'RE NOT PUTTING THEM TOWARDS WHAT WE KNOW ALREADY WORKS.
HOWEVER, AND I MEAN, I THINK I'VE SAID THIS TO A FEW, A FEW OF YOU, IF THERE'S A NEW PROVIDER OUT THERE THAT HAS THE CAPITAL AND THE WILL TO STEP INTO THIS SPACE, GREAT.
THE, WE, THE SYSTEM IS AT CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON WHAT WE KNOW IS SUCCESSFUL AND WORKING AT FULL SPEED, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR NEW FOLKS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE ARE, IS THAT I'M, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHO RESPONDS AND WHAT THE CAPACITY IS.
AND, AND I GUESS TO THAT, THAT, AND THIS IS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT QUESTION, IS RIGHT NOW, IF, IF SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE EXPERIENCING THESE BOTTLENECKS BECAUSE OF THIS GREAT RUSH TO, OF, OF ALL OF THESE, UH, NEW CLIENTS THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING, COULD IT GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, UNITS AND ALL, DOES THAT THEN CREATE THIS WAITING LIST FOR THIS TEMPORARY AND NOW WE HAVE TWO BOTTLENECKS? I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT STUDIES ACROSS THE US, IF YOU STAND UP A SHELTER, IT WILL FILL UP, IT WILL ATTRACT PEOPLE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG THE SHELTER IS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S, YOU DON'T SEE ANYONE WHO'S HOMELESS.
IF YOU STAND UP A SHELTER, PEOPLE WILL COME TO FILL IT UP.
EITHER WAY IT'S BEING ADDRESSED.
SO EITHER, YEAH, EITHER WAY IT'S BEING ADDRESSED, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF CASEWORKERS AND HOUSING NAVIGATION STAFF WHO ARE MOVING PEOPLE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE INSTINCT IS TO WIDEN THE, WIDEN THE FUNNEL AT THE TOP TO CATCH MORE PEOPLE.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT WIDENING THE EXIT OF THE FUNNEL INTO HOUSING, YOU ARE CREATING A BIGGER BOTTLENECK.
SO IT'S BEING MINDFUL OF HOW ALL THE PARTS WORK TOGETHER AS YOU INCREASE, AS YOU INCREASE THE DIFFERENT PARTS.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME BIG DECISIONS BEING MADE.
WE TALK ABOUT STATE LAW, WE TALK ABOUT FEDERAL LAW.
YOU CAN'T JUST REMOVE SOMEBODY RIGHT NOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO TAKE THEM.
SO, I MEAN, THE STATE CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT, BUT THEN THERE'S FEDERAL LAW.
BUT NOW WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE WEEKS, THERE MAY BE A DECISION SAYING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN, CITIES CAN PUNISH A PERSON, UM, EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE SHELTER OR SOMEPLACE
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FOR THAT PERSON TO GO.SO AS WE WAIT FOR THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER WHAT OUR OVERALL OBJECTIVE IS HERE, TO ME, WHICH IS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT REGARDLESS OF THE POINT IN TIME, IN TIME COUNT AND WHAT THAT SAYS, WE KNOW IT'S AN IMPERFECT PROCESS.
WE ARE ALL, MOST OF US SEEING, UM, OUR NUMBERS INCREASING IN OUR OWN DISTRICTS AND ACROSS THE CITY.
AND SO THE IDEA IS TO NOT HAVE THE STREETS BE A WAITING ROOM ON PAGE 14.
YOU KNOW, IT CALLS OUT THAT OUR PERMANENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HOUSING FORWARD IS DOING IS WORKING.
SO THAT FORCES THE STREETS, PARKS OTHER PLACES TO BECOME A WAITING ROOM.
UH, I DO THINK IN TALKING TO OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS, THAT THIS ASPECT OF HOUSING READINESS THAT TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS CAN GIVE WHILE WE'RE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE PERMANENT UNITS FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO THEM, HAS A REAL BENEFIT IN BRINGING STABILITY OF HEALTH AND NUTRITION AND JUST GETTING PAPERWORK IN ORDER.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS COMPLEX.
I ALSO THINK THAT WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT THIS IS A BELL CURVE SITUATION.
WE'VE GOT THIS INFLUX THAT OVER TIME WE'RE THE PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS AND WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND NONPROFITS THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON OUR ECONOMIC MOBILITY.
WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON STABILIZING RENT COSTS.
UM, THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES THAT SHOULD GO INTO A BLACK BOX THAT HOPEFULLY ADD UP TO, IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS, WE'RE NOT HAVING THIS BELL CURVE OF MEETING THESE TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS.
UM, SO WHILE WE'RE STILL AT THIS POINT, I, I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO ACT ON THIS TEMPORARY ZONE.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE MELODY AND I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK OF THE MAN I SPOKE TO THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, WAITING ON THE FRENCH FRY
AND HE WAS TELLING ME ABOUT HOW HE WAS JUST GLAD TO NOT BE SLEEPING ON THE STREETS.
AND HE WAS SO READY FOR HIS APARTMENT.
HE, HE COULDN'T WAIT FOR THAT DAY TO COME.
I'M SURE IT WAS HARD FOR HIM TO EAT.
HE HAD A MASS ON HIS NECK, I THINK ABOUT HIM EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND SO THAT JUST TELLS ME, UM, AND IN TALKING WITH DANIEL ROBY AND OTHERS WHO SAY, YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO WANT A PLACE, THEY WANT A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD AND THEY WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO BE A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
BUT I'M ALSO HEARING THE ROOF OVER MY HEAD WITH A DOOR THAT LOCKS AND A PLACE I CAN TAKE MY THINGS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS AROUND THIS, I AGREE.
I MEAN, THE FIRST THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS 12 MONTHS.
WE'LL BARELY BE GETTING OUR LEGS UNDER US.
UM, SO IT NEEDS TO BE 24 MONTHS.
AND I DO THINK WE NEED A PATHWAY FOR THOSE WHO ER RE REFUSE SERVICES CHRONICALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OUT THERE.
AND SO TO ME THAT'S WHERE THAT IS AN ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM AND MAYBE IT IS AN ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM TAILORED TO THAT GROUP BECAUSE MAYBE WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE WHATEVER ENFORCEMENT PLAN WE HAVE THAT MIGHT MOVE YOU INTO WILLINGNESS TO HAVE TEMPORARY HOUSING AND SERVICES ON YOUR WAY TO SOMETHING PERMANENT.
MS. CROSSLEY, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHRONICALLY, UH, REFUSING I WAS SERVICES, I WAS JUST, I WAS GOING TO AGREE THAT'S A VERY SMALL PART, BUT ALSO IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, WHICH I PROMISE WILL BE QUICK GIVEN THE TIME.
UM, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH CROSS COLLABORATION IN THAT.
AND SINCE YOU REFERENCED THAT UPCOMING PRESENTATION, I THINK THAT THERE IS HEART FOR PRIVATE DONATIONS TO HELP WITH THIS, WITH THE HOMES WE EVEN SAW IN LOS ANGELES SPONSORED HOMES, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND SO WHEN WE GET TO YOUR BUDGET, UH, PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IN THAT CATEGORY ON YOUR ORG CHART, IF THERE IS SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO ADMINISTER THAT SORT OF THING.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WE DO HAVE SOMEONE WHO DOES VOLUNTEERS AND DONATIONS, BUT JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE THE THIRD PARTY DO BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR HOW THAT'S USED THAN IF IT GOES THROUGH THE CITY.
IT'S ALSO REALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE CAN CREATE THINGS THAT DONATIONS GO INTO.
BUT YOU KNOW, DONATIONS CAN'T COME TO THE CITY IN THAT WAY, SO.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK I'M THINKING THERE IS A FUND ALREADY AND THERE'S A PLACE THAT COULD GO, I JUST ON THE BACK END WOULD WANNA KNOW THAT.
THERE'S SOME SORT OF ACCOUNTABILITY, SO, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, WE'RE GONNA DO A SECOND THERE.
UM, CHRISTINE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING CODES AND ZONING, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE AT OUR DISPOSAL FOR EMERGENCY ORDERS? EITHER BY OUR MAYOR OR BY OUR, UM, COUNTY JUDGE? I HAVE IT.
SO I ACTUALLY HAVE THAT FROM, UM, UH, FROM OUR, I THINK FROM OUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOLKS.
SO IT'S, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS AROUND DECLARING A DISASTER WHICH WOULD SUSPEND NORMAL ZONING.
HOWEVER, THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE TO DECLARE A DISASTER UNDER
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CHAPTER 14 B OF THE CITY CODE.UH, AND THE DISASTER DECLARATION WOULD ONLY LAST FOR SEVEN DAYS UNLESS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, IT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE FOR AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL DISASTER OF SOME SORT.
ON PAGE SIX, UM, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING A ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD, A DOOR THAT LOCKS SOMETHING THAT'S WATERPROOF, SOMETHING THAT HAS ELECTRICITY, AND, AND I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOME FOLKS CAN ARGUE OVER THIS TYPE OF HOUSING ENT ON OUR, ON OUR STREETS WHEN WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT 110 DEGREES, COLD DAYS, WET DAYS.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ABOUT GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD.
AND THIS IS, UM, A PATHWAY TO GET PEOPLE READY FOR, UH, FOR LONG-TERM HOUSING.
WHETHER THEY'RE WAITING, WHETHER THEY ARE READY AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING ON THAT UNIT, UH, TO BECOME AVAILABLE.
UM, THE INTERIM OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN A SAFE SPACE, KNOWING WHERE THEY CAN BE FOUND WHEN THEIR HOUSING DOES BECOME AVAILABLE, UM, IS JUST, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CAN'T LET GO BY.
AND SO, UM, GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, THAT ARE STRUGGLING OUT THERE ON OUR STREETS.
UM, CO AND UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE IT WAS, BUT IT TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
UM, CHRISTINE, CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES TO DOUBLE UP ON SOME OF THESE UNITS AND HOW THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE TWO, TWO PEOPLE LIVING IN ONE UNIT AS OPPOSED TO JUST ONE AND COST SAVINGS THERE? YEAH, I MEAN, AS I SAID, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SCALE, WHEN YOU CYCLE MORE PEOPLE THROUGH MORE QUICKLY, THAT CUTS DOWN ON THE COST PER UNIT, EVEN THOUGH YOUR OVERALL COSTS GO UP.
UM, A LOT OF THESE UNITS COULD HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THEM.
UM, NORMALLY WE FIND THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
THESE ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE TROUBLE.
WELL, EVEN BEING WITH OTHERS IF THERE'S A COUPLE OUT THERE OR YEAH, AND I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THERE'S A CHILD WE HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, HAVING SPACE FOR COUPLES WHO, UM, WANT TO GO INTO SHELTER TOGETHER, UM, IS SOMETHING I THINK ALSO HAVING SPACE FOR PEOPLE'S PETS TO GO WITH THEM IS HUGE.
UM, SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT USE CASES FOR THAT, BUT CERTAINLY COUPLES, UM, COULD USE THAT.
SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T SEE ON HERE IS THE, UH, POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS.
I DIDN'T SEE THE COST SAVINGS OF, UH, CER UH, PROVIDERS GOING OUT AND MEETING WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS OUT IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS AS OPPOSED TO CENTRALIZED LOCATIONS, UM, OR THE SPONSORS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SPONSOR THESE, UM, UNITS.
AND SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GET AN IDEA OF POSSIBLE COSTS, UH, SAVINGS.
AND I JUST, ON THE STREET OUTREACH PART, I WOULD SAY THIS WOULDN'T REALLY BE A COST SAVING, MAINLY BECAUSE THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS RIGHT NOW IS WE PERMANENTLY CLOSE A SITE BECAUSE WE'VE HOUSED EVERYONE.
BUT IF WE HAVE OUTREACH GROUPS JUST PICKING PEOPLE UP AS THEY FIND THEM, WHICH HAPPENS A LOT MORE QUICKLY, WE DON'T ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY WITH OUR CURRENT SCALE TO THEN GO OUT AND VERY QUICKLY STICK A SIGN ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE SITES AND MAKE SURE NO ONE COMES BACK.
UM, NOW THE WAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REORIENTING OUR ENTIRE OUTREACH STRUCTURE AND COLLABORATING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, I THINK WILL HELP WITH THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF, OF LOOKING AT THINGS.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD SAVE COST, BUT IT WOULD REORIENT WHERE PEOPLE GO, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
BUT I ALSO HAVE TO, UH, MAY MAYBE I WOULD GO BACK AND SAY THERE'S INDIVIDUALS THAT WHEN ENCAMPMENTS AREN'T CLOSED DOWN AND WE'RE JUST PICKING UP DEBRIS OR LITTER BECAUSE THAT HOUSING'S NOT YET AVAILABLE, WHETHER IT'S A PARK, THE PARK DEPARTMENT GOING OUT TO CLEAN UP AN ENCAMPMENT.
OH, SO THE COST OF PEOPLE BEING HOMELESS VERSUS BEING SOMEWHERE FOR OUR SYSTEM.
UH, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON, ON THE TIMEFRAME.
TWO YEARS IS, UM, AT THE VERY MINIMUM FOR ME, UM, CHRISTINE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROOM TO EXPAND, UM, BUT STARTING OFF SMALL WITH THE SCALE, I I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, SOMETHING THAT'S NEAR EXISTING U UTILITIES, UM, SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY HAS A, A PARKING LOT OR BASE CONCRETE STRUCTURE TO HELP REDUCE SOME OF THOSE ANTICIPATED COSTS NEAR UTILITIES.
UM, DR. PEREZ, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE NEW TO THIS, UM, DISCUSSION, BUT ARE, HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANY RESEARCH OR ANALYSIS ON, UH, THE SUCCESS OF, OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN VARIOUS OTHER CITIES? THANK YOU.
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BADASS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.UM, JUST IN SOME OF THE RESEARCH, UH, THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THESE SITES AND, UH, THROUGH UM, I GUESS SHARED NOTES FROM THE TEAM WHO HAS ACTUALLY VISITED THESE SITES, UM, IT SEEMS THAT, UH, UH, FROM THAT RESEARCH AND FROM, UH, THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THESE ARE VIABLE OPTIONS THAT WE SHOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER.
WE'LL GO TO A SECOND ROUND WITH, UH, VICE CHAIRMAN MENDELSON.
WELL, I LOVE THAT YOUR WAITING ROOM COMMENT THAT YOU'VE BEEN MAKING IS CATCHING ON AND I LOVE IT ALSO, UM, THAT OUR PARK SIDEWALKS AND UNDERPASSES SHOULDN'T BE WAITING ROOMS. I THINK THAT'S SORT OF THE THEME OF THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION.
AND SO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE FOR PEOPLE.
THE ONLY THING I'D ADD IS THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T ACTUALLY WANT HOUSING, AND THAT'S ANOTHER PORTION THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROGRAM.
UM, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WILLIS FOR BRINGING UP THE WHOLE ISSUE OF PRIVATE FUNDING.
ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE, UH, EVERY NONPROFIT IS REALLY, UM, TAKING IN SIGNIFICANT REVENUE FROM PRIVATE SOURCES, UM, OFTEN MUCH MORE THAN PUBLIC.
AND SO, NUMBER ONE, I THINK THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN REALITY, IS MY OPINION.
UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AS YOU'RE ASKING FOR ADVICE ON A WAY FORWARD IS IF THE COMMITTEE CAN, WELL, IF THE CITY AND COMMITTEE CAN BE INVOLVED WITH SITE SELECTION SO THAT A SITE IS KNOWN IF THE TYPES OF SHELTERS WE WANT, NO MATTER WHAT THAT IS OR HOW IT WOULD BE STRUCTURED, IF THAT WAS ALREADY DETERMINED ALONG WITH CAMPING SPACE, THEN YOU PUT OUT A CALL AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AT LEAST THREE ORGANIZATIONS PITCH TO US AND LET US PICK FROM THEIR PITCH WHAT WE THINK IS THE PATH FORWARD.
AND WHAT I'LL SAY IS THAT WHEN I STARTED HERE IN 2019, THERE WERE TWO ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE THE TOP OF THE PILE AND ONE OF THEM IS GOING OUTTA BUSINESS.
AND IN FACT, MY VERY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING, I SAID, WE SHOULD NOT BE JUST GIVING A BLANK CHECK TO CITY SQUARE $250,000, NO PROGRAM, NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT WAS JUST GONNA BE $250,000.
AND I'M LIKE, HOW ARE WE DOING THAT? AND WE ACTUALLY PULLED IT BACK.
THE SECOND ONE, HABITAT, WE WERE DOING ALL SORTS OF PROGRAMS WITH HABITAT, EVEN EVEN WORKFORCE, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
AND HABITAT HAD TO SCALE BACK.
THEY ACTUALLY GOT OUT OF A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND THESE WERE THE LARGEST, MOST TRUSTED, UM, INDIGENT SERVING NONPROFITS IN OUR CITY.
AND SO I WOULD SAY BECAUSE THIS NONPROFIT SECTOR IS HIGHLY VOLATILE, DEPENDENT ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR DONATIONS, THAT WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO ANY KIND OF BRAND NEW ORGANIZATION THAT WANTS TO FORMULATE TO SERVE THIS SPECIFIC PROGRAM AS LONG AS THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED STAFF AND COMMITTED PHILANTHROPY DOLLARS AND AN OPERATIONAL PLAN.
BUT IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM THE OUTLINE OF HERE'S WHERE IT'LL BE, HERE'S THE KIND OF SHELTERS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA COMMIT TO GETTING YOU ZONING, WE'RE GONNA COMMIT TO BUYING THESE, WE'RE GONNA COMMIT TO THIS MUCH OPERATIONAL FUNDS, WHAT CAN YOU BRING TO THE TABLE AND HOW WOULD YOU RUN THIS PROGRAM GIVEN THESE ARE WHAT OUR GOALS ARE.
IF YOU COULD OUTLINE THAT, I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS SPACE THAT WOULD GET TOGETHER AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN TAKE THIS PERSON HERE AND THIS PERSON HERE AND WE CAN COME TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY MEET THIS NEED.
BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, CHRISTINE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ALREADY AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S LIKE, OH YEAH, I WANNA TAKE ON THIS OTHER BIG PROJECT IN ADDITION TO THE THING I'M ALREADY RUNNING.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THIS SPACE THAT MIGHT NOT COME TOGETHER TO FORM THIS.
AND I'M ALREADY AWARE OF A LOT OF PRIVATE DOLLARS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT THEY DO NEED BETTER CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHERE IT WOULD BE, WHAT THE CITY'S LEVEL OF COMMITMENT IS, AND WHAT THE CITY'S WILLING TO DO, AND WHAT EXACTLY THE CITY'S GONNA REQUIRE IN TERMS OF GOALS, REPORTING, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND SO, AGAIN, I THINK IT SHOULD COME PITCH TO US NOT BE SOME PROCUREMENT THAT WE DON'T EVER KNOW WHO'S DOING WHAT OR WHAT THE RULES ARE.
LIKE LET'S HEAR IT AND LET'S THEN GO WITH THE NEXT DIRECTION.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN WORK THAT WITH PROCUREMENT.
THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER, UM, A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING I WANNA SAY ON THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I'M JUST GONNA SAY IS ABOUT, UM, A COMMENT CHAIR YOU MADE ABOUT SAFE SPACE.
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AND I THINK SOMETIMES SAFE SPACE HAS BEEN USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT THE THING ABOUT HOMELESSNESS THAT ALWAYS HAS STRUCK ME IS HOW EXHAUSTED PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE HOMELESS.IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE TEMPERATURE WISE.
THEY'RE ALWAYS READY FOR SOMEONE TO ROB THEM OR ASSAULT THEM.
AND IT GREATLY CONTRIBUTES TO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
I KNOW WHEN I'M SLEEP DEPRIVED, IT'S NOT GOOD.
SO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE SOMEBODY WHO COMES FORWARD AND SAYS, IN ADDITION TO A CAMPING SPACE, THE TINY HOME OR WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL IT SPACE, WE WANNA DO, UM, SAFE PARKING.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MOMS AND KIDS THAT ARE SLEEPING IN CARS 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA BE IN A SHELTER.
AND THEY FEEL LIKE AT LEAST IN THEIR LOCKED CAR, THEY'RE SAFE.
WELL MAYBE THEY WANNA ALSO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF LOCATION.
SO I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S PROBLEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SOLVE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE THE HEART TO DO IT.
UM, THERE'S A GROUP IN PLANO THAT REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT SOMETHING SIMILAR.
IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF THEY MIGHT TRY TO PULL IN SOME PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH IN DALLAS, UM, THAT FRANKLY I'VE NEVER HEARD PRESENTED.
THEY'RE, THEY WEREN'T ON ANY OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WE HAD AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE FOR VETERANS.
I MEAN, BUT THEY'RE DOING REALLY AMAZING THINGS.
SO I, I JUST WANNA OPEN THAT UP.
WHEN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE A NOFA, USUALLY THERE'S A QUALIFICATION IN THERE ABOUT HOW LONG THE ORGANIZATION'S BEEN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT NINE NINETIES THEY FILED.
WE MIGHT NEED TO SUSPEND THAT.
WE MIGHT NEED TO DO THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON.
AND IF I CAN JUST RESPOND, SO WHEN YOU SAID LOCATION AND TYPE OF PRODUCT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO IN TERMS OF CRITERIA TO DEVELOP THE LOCATION SO WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU TO GET FEEDBACK ON.
AND THEN THE PRODUCT TYPE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES THAT RUN THE GAMUT AND THE COST REALLY VARIES.
SO THERE'S NOT EXACTLY A COST TO PALLET HOMES VERSUS TINY, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT UPDATES THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO ALL THE PRODUCTS, THERE REALLY ISN'T A COST TO RECOMMEND IT, IT'S JUST THE USE CASE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE INDUSTRIALIZED LETS US GET AROUND, GET, GET IT ZONED MUCH MORE EASILY.
THERE'S A LONG-TERM USE CASE THERE.
YOU CAN USE IT FOR WHATEVER USE YOU WANT, BUT THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS PERMANENT AND THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO ACCESS SOME OF THE BOND DOLLARS.
BUT BEYOND THAT, YES, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN ABOUT THE, THE NOFA PART, I'M NOT SURE WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS A GREAT, THIS IS A GREAT DISCUSSION.
UM, I, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE I, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE ON THE I SLIDE 14 AND WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED PERMANENT VERSUS TEMPORARY.
I'M STILL, CAN WE PULL IT BACK UP? UM, 'CAUSE I'M GONNA GO BACK AND REFERENCE THAT IN A MINUTE.
UM, BUT I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES AND I'M NOT HEARING ANYONE SAY THAT THEY DON'T THINK OUR CONTINUUM OF CARE IS WORKING AND IT'S WORKING BETTER THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST.
I THINK EVERYONE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BETTER THAN IT'S BEEN.
RIGHT? AND UM, AND WE'VE SEEN SUCCESSES RECENTLY WITH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE WITH THE 24% REDUCTION IN UNSHELTERED, UM, HOMELESSNESS.
UM, JUST THIS WEEK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UH, WERE ABLE TO ALL JOIN TOGETHER AND CELEBRATE THE END VETERANS HOMELESSNESS IN, IN DALLAS.
AND SO WE KNOW THAT OUR JOURNEY COLLECTIVELY AS A CONTINUUM IS WORKING IN PROVIDING MORE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
SO I'M HESITANT WITH THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ON PUTTING SOME LIKE NEW SHINY OBJECT OUT THERE THAT'S GONNA DISTRACT FROM THOSE EFFORTS.
SO IF WE CAN, IN MY MIND AT LEAST, UM, CONTINUE WHAT WE'RE DOING, CONTINUE SUPPORTING THE EFFORTS AND ADD TO IT IN A WAY THAT'S NOT GONNA DISTRACT FROM THOSE, I I WOULD SUPPORT IT.
SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THIS SLIDE.
CAN, WHICH OF THESE CAN BE LIKE IF WE WENT DOWN THIS PATH? 'CAUSE WHAT I'M ALSO HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES IS WE'RE HAPPY THAT'S WORKING, BUT WE WANT MORE.
WE STILL SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING ON THE STREETS AND THEY'RE ON THE SIDEWALKS AND THEY'RE ALL OVER.
AND IF THIS CAN HELP US, GREAT.
BUT CAN THIS, CAN ANY OF THESE SELECTIONS HERE, IF WE TRY SOMETHING NEW, BE USED AS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING INSTEAD OF JUST TEMPORARY? MAYBE IT'S QUICKER, MAYBE IT'S FASTER TO GET 'EM IN THERE, BUT CAN IT BE COUNTED AS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING? 'CAUSE THEN IT COUNTS FOR OUR NUMBERS TO HELP WITH, UM, WITH HUD IT WORKS TOWARDS KEEPING THEM PERMANENTLY HOUSED.
UM, I WOULD SUPPORT SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES VERSUS ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA EVER BE CALLED TEMPORARY, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO THEN, UM, HELP US WITH
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OUR HUD NUMBERS AND FUNDING.SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
THAT'S WHY, UM, A LARGE PART OF WHY THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS INDUSTRIALIZED BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY SET UP TO BE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT USE CASES THERE BEFORE IT UPCYCLES INTO PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD ALSO USE VOUCHERS ON LIKE, LET'S SAY AN RV AS LONG AS IT HAS A BATHROOM.
BUT THE TROUBLE WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MANUFACTURED AND DOESN'T HAVE THAT PERMANENT FOUNDATION IS IT SLOTS IT INTO A VERY NARROW ZONING IN THE CITY AND MOST OF THOSE CASES ARE ALREADY FULL AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO CREATE ANOTHER MANUFACTURED AREA.
SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY IF IT COUNTS AS INDUSTRIALIZED.
OKAY, THAT'S HELPFUL AS WE NARROW THIS DOWN.
AND I THINK SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAS HAD ASKED FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH, UM, SOME CASE STUDIES.
I HEARD LA WHAT LA HOW IT'S WORKING IN LA ON THE TEMPORARY SIDE.
UM, AND THEN I KNOW DENVER, I'VE SEEN SOME THINGS IN THE NEWS RECENTLY WITH DENVER WHEN THEY TRIED TO DO SOME TEMPORARY HOUSING.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE AND THAT'S ALL ON.
WHERE IS IT? DID I MISS THAT SLIDE 10? YEAH, THOSE ARE THE, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PALETTE SHELTERS.
AND ACTUALLY, UM, RO OCO ON SLIDE NINE IS WHERE WE VISITED IN LA HAVE YOU TALKED WITH THE, LIKE SINCE, SO I KNOW YOU WENT TO LA SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS DID TOO.
UM, HAVE WE TALKED WITH THE STAFF LIKE SINCE THAT TRIP AND WE TALKED WITH DENVER STAFF ABOUT LIKE HOW THAT'S WORKING AND, AND HOW MANY OF THE TEMPORARY END UP IN PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
SO FOR QUITE A FEW OF THESE SITES, UM, IT'S INTERESTING, UM, FOR QUITE A FEW OF THESE, DENVER INCLUDED, THEY ARE NOW RUNNING, THEY'VE RUN OUT OF THE ARPA FUNDING AND HAVEN'T CREATED ANY PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OR PERMANENT HOUSING.
SO THEY HAVE A BOTTLENECK OF PEOPLE IN THE TEMPORARY HOUSING THEY CREATED WITH NO WAY TO MOVE THEM OUT.
SO I WOULD SAY IT'S A DIFFERENT LOOK THAN WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DOING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY FOCUSED ON THAT FIRST AND NOW THEY ARE, LOOK, THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOW THEY WILL COME UP WITH MONEY TO MOVE PEOPLE INTO PERMANENT.
SO THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THAT PERMANENT PIECE UNTIL NOW AND THEY'RE KIND OF SCRAMBLING, BUT CORRECT.
BUT I THINK, BUT WE'RE LEARNING FROM THEM ON THE TEMPORARY SIDE, WHAT DID WORK MM-HMM.
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE ALSO OLDER MODELS.
SO LIKE IF YOU GO TO DENVER, THEY HAVE OLDER, I THINK PALLET MODELS THAT HAVE A LOT OF LEAKS, MOLD ISSUES, THE WET WEATHER, IT'S NOT DOING GREAT.
AGAIN, THERE ARE, ACROSS ALL OF THESE PRODUCTS, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF INNOVATIONS IN THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT MAKE THEM, UM, WORTH CONSIDERING IN A WAY THAT THEY WOULD, I WOULD NOT HAVE.
AND I DID TURN DOWN TWO YEARS AGO.
SO I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING.
BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT FOR THE, UM, PERMANENT SOLUTION IN THE PAST AS COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON SAID, WE HAVE LOOKED AT PERMANENT TINY HOMES AND THEY HAVE BEEN COST PROHIBITIVE, BUT THERE ARE NEW MODELS NOW THAT CAN BE PERMANENT THAT ARE ALSO FASTER AND LESS EXPENSIVE TO STAND UP.
SO THAT TYPE OF DEEP DI DEEP DIVE IS REALLY WHAT WE WOULD USE THE NOFA FOR SO THAT WE HAVE THAT COUNCIL DIRECTION TO REALLY JUSTIFY THE STAFF TIME THAT'S GOING TO BE PUT TOWARDS THAT DEEP DIVE.
I MEAN I, YEAH, AND I'LL JUST FINISH BY SAYING I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF HERE, BUT I WOULD BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A PERMANENT SOLUTION AS WELL, EVEN IF IT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING ALREADY HAPPEN THROUGH THE CONTINUUM.
SO I WANNA TOUCH ON SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, ABOUT WHAT SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER TO US ABOUT ACCEPTING SERVICES, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT ACCEPT SERVICES BECAUSE OF SOME SORT OF, OF TRAUMA OR SETBACK THAT VIOLATES THEIR TRUST IN SUCH A WAY THAT WHAT SEEMS OBVIOUS TO US TO GET OUT FROM MINUS 10 DEGREES OR 110 DEGREES IS DIFFERENT FOR THEM.
THEY'VE HAD A DIFFERENT LIVED EXPERIENCE AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA RECENTER OURSELVES ON THAT.
BUT, UM, I I LIKE THE COMMENTS ABOUT LOOKING AT OTHER PARTNERS.
UH, I THINK THAT IS CRITICAL BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE VOLATILITY WE'VE SEEN.
BUT IN LOS ANGELES WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF WAYS TO GET AT, UM, HOUSING PEOPLE EVEN TEMPORARILY.
AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT MISSION TO HOPE.
MISSION TO HOPE WAS STAFFING THEM THIS AMAZING ORGANIZATION.
THEY WERE FEEDING WHAT, 10,000 PEOPLE A DAY, UH, OR, UH, IT WAS AN AMAZING OPERATION.
I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE ONES WHO TOLD US ABOUT THE USING STREETS AS A WAITING ROOM AND THAT WE JUST ALL WENT, OH WOW, THAT'S A, A GREAT WAY TO CHARACTERIZE A WAY NOT TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY REACHING OUT TO SOME OF THESE AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT WE'VE MET WHO ARE, WHO'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE THROUGH F SPOTS AND, UM, WHO COULD HOPEFULLY DELIVER UNTO US A GREAT WAY TO OPERATE.
THEY'VE GIVEN US, GIVEN US SOME IDEAS ON OPTIMAL SIZES FOR SOME OF THESE TEMPORARY VILLAGES.
AND SO, UM, WE, WE LOVED THE IDEA OF THEM COMING TO DALLAS IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT, UM, INSIDE OF A PROCUREMENT OF COURSE.
UM, THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT TO, TO TOUCH ON IS JUST GIVEN THE
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PRESENTATION WE JUST HAD FROM THE COUNTY AND AND THE HEALTH OVERLAY, HOW WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOUCH THE INFIRM? OR IS THIS PRETTY MUCH FOR THOSE WHO ARE JUST CLOSE TO HOUSING READY AND JUST NEED A LANDING SPOT BEFORE THEY MOVE ON TO PERMANENT, IS WOULD THERE BE ANY ROLE FOR THOSE WHO ARE JUST MORE CATEGORIZED IN THAT INFIRM AREA? SO THAT AREA OH, SO SOMEBODY, OH, SORRY, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING.UM, THAT'S PART OF THE USE CASE THAT WE NEED FEEDBACK ON.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE OVER THE VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS AT HHS, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY WE REALLY WANT A SPACE FOR A VERY SMALL SPACE THAT'S JUST FOR THE HIGHEST ACUITY NEEDS AND IT'S GONNA BE FULL MENTAL HEALTH STAFFED.
I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND LOOKING AT THAT POINT OF REFERRAL IS VERY IMPORTANT.
YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CAUGHT, YOU KNOW, LATE NIGHT AS TRAINS ARE TURNING OFF AND WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF, UM, COMING OFF THAT MODE OF TRANSPORTATION WHO HAVE NOWHERE TO GO AND EVEN IF THEY WANNA ACCEPT SERVICES, NOTHING IS OPEN.
SO MAYBE THAT'S A POINT OF REFERRAL.
SO HOW ARE WE DOING THIS IN AN HOW ARE WE PULLING PEOPLE IN, IN AN EQUITABLE WAY THAT MAKES SENSE AND ISN'T JUST FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE, WALK UP TO THE GATE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ALSO DON'T WANNA CREATE A SPOT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ENCAMPMENTS OUTSIDE OF IT AS WE HAVE SEEN IN SOME OTHER PLACES.
UM, AND SO HOW IT IS STAFFED AND WHAT THE CORE PURPOSE IS, I KNOW WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ALL MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, IN SAFE PARKING A SITE FOR CAMPING, HAVING A A LOCK ON IT, ALL THINGS THAT ARE ARE GREAT AND I'VE SEEN IN MODELS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE INTENTIONAL IN HOW THE PILOT STARTS AND THEN MAYBE DIFFERENT PHASES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IT GROW INTO.
SO WE DON'T PUT EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, PUT ALL OF THE EGGS IN THE FIRST BASKET.
SO THAT, THAT IS FEEDBACK THAT WE WOULD REQUEST.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE KNOW AROUND ALL OF THAT KIND OF DATA, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WE SAW AN UPTICK IN FAMILIES AND I WOULD SAY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A DEDICATED AREA OR VILLAGE, BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE CATEGORY I'D LOOK AT.
OTHERWISE, I THINK AT THESE OTHER PLACES THAT WE TOURED, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF WHO'S INTERESTED IN, IN BEING HERE.
AND I WOULD SAY, SO WE ACTUALLY ARE DECREASING FAMILY HOMELESSNESS AND WE DON'T, AS SOON AS WE FIND A FAMILY, WE ARE ABLE TO, UM, SHOOT THEM THROUGH FAMILY GATEWAY, WHICH IS LIKE THE ONE STOP SHOP GETS YOU TO ALL THE OTHER RESOURCES.
BUT WITH THAT REDUCTION, WE ARE ALSO SEEING AN INCREASE IN PEOPLE AGING ON THE STREET WHO HAVE ISSUES LIKE OXYGEN TANKS, WHICH IS A HUGE LIABILITY I CANNOT FIND ANYWHERE THAT WILL TAKE SOMEONE WITH AN OXYGEN TANK BECAUSE IT HAS TO PLUG IN AND THAT'S A MASSIVE LIABILITY.
PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AMBULATE OR CARE FOR THEMSELVES.
UM, SO THERE ARE SOME NEEDS THAT I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED AND I'VE HEARD THIS BODY TALK ABOUT BEFORE IN TERMS OF AGING IN PLACE AND HAVING THAT HEAVY MEDICAL SERVICE.
WELL THAT, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT KIND OF INFORMATION COMING FROM YOU ALL VERSUS FROM US TO YOU IS REALLY CRITICAL, UM, TO HELP UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT DO WE FEEL LIKE WOULD LEAD TO THE MOST SUCCESS IF, IF WE DO THIS.
WHICH IT'S, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS SPACE.
UM, THANK YOU, UM, CHRISTINE, THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR TRULY AND GENUINELY LISTENING TO MYSELF AND TO MY COLLEAGUES AS WE PROVIDE FEEDBACK, UH, BACK FROM OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR RESIDENTS AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING.
UM, I DO WANNA ASK OUR COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK BY FRIDAY, MAY 31ST, UM, ON THIS, UH, BRIEFING SO THAT YOU CAN START CONTINUING DOING THE WORK THAT YOU'VE ALREADY STARTED.
UM, AND UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING NEW TO DALLAS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SIMPLY PICK UP, UH, FROM A DIFFERENT CITY AND HOPE THAT THAT IT WORKS HERE IN DALLAS.
WE HAVE TO TAILOR IT TO THE, TO THE NEEDS AND THE UNIQUENESS OF OUR CITY.
UH, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY SOMETHING, UM, INNOVATIVE AND, AND NEW AND UNDERSTANDING THAT IT MIGHT NOT WORK, BUT UNTIL WE GIVE IT AN OPPORTUNITY, WE WON'T KNOW.
AND SO AGAIN, THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR, UM, EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING.
UH, WE'RE GONNA DO ONE, UH, LAST QUICK ROUND OF TWO MINUTES AND THEN, UH, WE WILL PROCEED TO OUR NEXT ITEM, UH, VICE CHAIR MIDDLETON.
UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY I'M GONNA BE HAPPY TO GIVE FEEDBACK BY MAY 31ST.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING A TIMEFRAME ON THAT.
UM, BUT NUMBER ONE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ENFORCEMENT OF NO CAMPING.
THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE GOAL THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN MY MIND.
UM, NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER WEST JUST WAS SAYING THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF PERMANENT HOUSING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THE POINT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND YOU KNOW, ON SLIDE 13 YOU HAVE A PHOTO THAT SAYS WELCOME HOME AT THIS LOCATION.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS THEIR NEW HOME.
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THIS IS A WAY STATION TO GET THEM TO A HOME AND THAT IS THE JOB OF THE COC GO HELP THEM GET INTO HOUSING.BUT I'M NOT LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE TO LIVE A LIFE IN A SMALL LITTLE PALLET WITH CONGREGATE BATHROOMS AND SHOWERS AND LAUNDRY.
THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I'M ENVISIONING.
THAT'S A WAY STATION TO GET YOU TO YOUR HOUSING.
AND SO I THINK THE POINT OF THIS IS TO LITERALLY SAY, NO, THIS IS JUST TEMPORARY.
DON'T, DON'T MAKE IT YOUR HOME.
WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU PUT UP PICTURES AND FEEL LIKE THIS IS HOME.
THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE SAFE SO THAT YOU CAN GET TO YOUR NEXT PLACE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP HOMELESS HOSPICE AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT MEDICAL CARE THAT'S NEEDED.
I THINK THAT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT INITIATIVE THAT'S NECESSARY.
UM, AND WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZATION, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN PART OF A GROUP TALKING ABOUT HOMELESS HOSPICE FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.
I THINK WE'VE GOT A PARTNER WHO'S WILLING TO A HUNDRED PERCENT FUND THE OPERATION, BUT THEY NEED A FACILITY.
WE DO HAVE SOME EMPTY FACILITIES IS ALL I'M GONNA SAY.
UM, BUT THE, I THINK THE POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WEST WAS TRYING TO MAKE ABOUT THE CONTINUUM OF CARE IS FAIR AND THAT THEY'RE DOING GOOD WORK.
I, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN SEEING DOLLARS REMOVED FROM THEM.
I'M NOT INTERESTED IN COMPETING WITH THEM.
I'M, I'M ADVOCATING FROM A POSITION THAT SAYS THERE IS A MISSING LINK HERE.
AND THAT MISSING LINK ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT GO TO SHELTER, WHO ABSOLUTELY DON'T EVEN WANT HOUSING AT THIS POINT.
NOW, AGAIN, WE MIGHT WEAR 'EM DOWN, BUT INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND ASKING THEM A HUNDRED TIMES, LET'S PUT 'EM IN A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN BE SAFE AND THEY'RE IN A LOCATION THAT YOUR OUTREACH WORKERS CAN GO VISIT THEM EVERY DAY WHERE THERE'S ONSITE SERVICES AND MAYBE THEY WILL ACCEPT IT, BUT IF THEY WON'T, THEN LET'S AT LEAST HAVE THEM CAMP IN A PLACE THAT IS LEGAL, NOT BREAKING STATE LAW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
WELL, I THINK THAT THERE'S A GOOD POINT RAISED AROUND, UH, THAT THIS IS TEMPORARY HOUSING.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS, THE PRACTICES THAT WE SAW IN THE PLACES WE VISITED IN LOS ANGELES AND ATLANTA AND IN AUSTIN, UH, WERE, YOU KNOW, NOT, IT HAS A SUFFICIENT HASSLE FACTOR, UM, IN THE FORM OF WELLNESS CHECKS THREE TIMES A DAY,
SO, UM, INCORPORATING SOME OF THOSE PRACTICES AS WELL, I THINK, INTO THIS MODEL IS GONNA BE REALLY CRITICAL.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS TO BE A LANDING PAD, A AWAY STATION, AND IN NO WAY SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SET UP CAMP AND YOU STAY.
I KNOW THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD TIMELINES LIKE THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS FOR SOME, AND MAYBE EVEN NINE IF THAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE NECESSARY BECAUSE OF PAPERWORK OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE GOAL WAS NOT TO MAKE THIS ANYTHING PERMANENT.
SO I DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH THAT THOUGHT AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME FOLKS OUT THERE WHO HAVE GOT SOME GOOD PRACTICES THAT WE COULD GO TO VERY QUICKLY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE FOLKS LIVING THERE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, SO YES, WE HEAR THAT THE USE CASE SHOULD BE TEMPORARY.
THE THOUGHT AROUND THE INDUSTRIALIZED PERMANENT HOUSING IS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING THAT IF, IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY ANYWAY, LET'S BUILD A PRODUCT THAT LASTS SO THAT AFTER THIS USE CASE IS DONE, IT COULD BE CYCLED INTO PERMANENT HOUSING OR IT COULD BE CYCLED INTO SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE REST OF THE CITY.
AND SO WITH THAT, YOU WOULD BE INCLUDING THE BATHROOMS OR YOU'D BE LOOKING FOR A PRODUCT THAT COULD BUILD THE BATHROOMS OUT THERE AND THEN REINCORPORATE THEM LATER.
JUST SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU THAT OPTION SO THAT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO HAS A LONGER USE CASE FOR THE CITY IF WE WANT IT, NOT BECAUSE WE INTEND FOR IT TO START OUT AS PERMANENT HOUSING.
'CAUSE WE'VE HEARD THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.
UH, REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME.
UH, WE'LL NOW BE MOVING TO BRIEFING ITEM D.
UM, I'M UP HERE WITH MY, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WANDA MORELAND, ALSO OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE RUNNING OVER TIME, SO I PROMISE THIS WILL BE BRIEF AND TO THE POINT, UM, WITH PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO QUICKLY SHARE OUR CURRENT GENERAL FUND BUDGET, BUDGETARY CHANGE OVER TIME, AND HOW THE GENERAL FUND FITS INTO OTHER STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING STREAMS. WE CAN STAY ON THIS SLIDE PLEASE.
WE'LL START WITH AN OVERVIEW OF OUR CURRENT BUDGET AND HOW IT COMPARES ACROSS MULTIPLE YEARS, BREAKING IT DOWN INTO MORE GRANULAR DETAILS AS WE GO.
THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURES PROGRAMS AS THEY ALIGN WITH OUR FOUR TRACK STRATEGY AND OUR BUDGETING FOR EQUITY AND PROGRAM MEASURES.
OUR MULTI-YEAR FUNDING STREAMS AND FULL FOUR TRACK STRATEGY ARE LISTED IN THE APPENDIX.
HERE WE HAVE OH S'S MISSION STATEMENT AND TWO FISCAL YEAR GOALS, BOTH OF WHICH HAVE BEEN MET THROUGH THE SECURING AND CREATION OF ADDITIONAL PERMANENT
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SUPPORTIVE HOUSING VOUCHERS BY THE COC IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE FORMATION OF THE MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL AND ORGANIZATIONAL PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WORK GROUP AND THE CREATION OF THE HOMELESS ACTION RESPONSE TEAM.MOVING INTO OUR SINGLE YEAR APPROPRIATION FUNDING, YOU CAN SEE THAT APART FROM THE GENERAL FUND INCREASE OF 4.8 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 2223, OUR VARIOUS BUDGET LINES HAVE REMAINED RATHER STABLE WITH NORMAL AMOUNTS OF FLUCTUATION FOR STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS.
LOOKING AT THE $4.8 MILLION INCREASE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT TABLE, THIS HAS COMPRISED OF TWO ONE-TIME INCREASES AND TWO ONGOING INCREASES.
ONE BEING THE CREATION OF THE HOMELESS ACTION RESPONSE TEAM AND THE OTHER BEING OSS TAKING ON A FUNDING PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED VIA A STATE HEALTHY COMMUNITY COMMUNITY COLLABORATIVE, OR HCC GRANT, OHS HAS BEEN SHOULDERING THIS GRANT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS AFTER THE STATE FUNDING SOURCE CEASED.
GIVEN THE CRUCIAL NATURE OF THE FUNDING FOR OUR AREA SHELTERS, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN CONVERSATIONS WITH OUTSIDE ENTITIES ABOUT HOW SOME OF THESE ONGOING EXPENSES CAN BE REDUCED OR SHIFT TO PARTNERING AGENCIES.
LOOKING AT THE MULTI-YEAR CHART ON THE RIGHT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT WHILE THIS CAPTURES THE SINGLE YEAR APPROPRIATION, IT DOES NOT CAPTURE OUR MULTI-YEAR APPROPRIATIONS, WHICH CANNOT BE BROKEN OUT BY YEAR AND ARE NOTED ON SLIDES 19 THROUGH 20.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS A BUILT-IN DECREASE OF 6.64% IN THE 24 25 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.
GIVEN THE EXPIRATION OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR'S, ONE-TIME FUNDS SPECIFICALLY 1 MILLION FOR A SANCTION ENCAMPMENT THAT WILL EX THAT WILL EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER, BUT COULD STILL BE USED FOR AN EXPLORATORY PHASE, A $1 MILLION INCREASE IN OUR FENCING AND CLEANING BUDGET AND 801,000 FOR THE R UH, RTR OUTREACH CONTRACT.
THE 24 20 25 BUDGET INCLUDED 563 FOR PART OF THE, UH, REAL-TIME REHOUSING OUTREACH CONTRACT AND A 250,000 INCREASE ACROSS VARIOUS SACRED CODES WHILE OUR TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS T-D-H-C-A GRANT INCLUDED AN ADDITIONAL ONE-TIME INCREASE FROM REALLOCATED FUNDS.
THIS DOES LEAVE US WITH A DECREASE OF ROUGHLY 41,400 IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
MOVING ON TO OUR POSITION'S HISTORY, OUR GRANT FUNDED POSITIONS HAVE DECREASED OVER THE YEARS FROM FIVE TO THREE FUNDED BY OUR EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT, AND THERE IS A JUMP IN POSTS FROM 22 TO 23 MARKING THE CREATION OF THE HOMELESS ACTION RESPONSE TEAM AND THE ADDITION OVER THE YEARS OF NEW CONTRACTS AND FINANCE STAFF TO MANAGE THE INCREASE IN FEDERAL FUNDING WE HAVE RECEIVED, FOCUSING IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE OPERATING EXPENSE AND REVENUE BREAKOUT ILLUSTRATES THAT ALMOST 80% OF OUR FUNDING IT IS CONCENTRATED IN CONTRACTS.
THE DEPARTMENT REVENUE CAPTURES THE $1 MILLION SENT BY DALLAS COUNTY ANNUALLY TO BE PASSED THROUGH AS THEIR SUPPORT OF THE BRIDGE.
THE OHS ORGANIZATIONAL CHART LISTS THREE DIVISIONS UNDER THE DIRECTOR WITH DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION COVERING BUDGET AND FINANCE, CONTRACT MANAGEMENT, BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, AND INTERNAL CONTROL AND PROCESS IMPROVEMENT, EMERGENCY AND STREET OUTREACH COVERS, STREET OUTREACH AND ADVOCACY, ENCAMPMENT AND REAL-TIME REHOUSING PROGRAMMING, THE HOMELESS ACTION RESPONSE TEAM AND AIR INCLEMENT WEATHER PROGRAM PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION AND PUBLIC INFORMATION COVERS VOLUNTEERS AND THE OHS FRIENDS GROUP, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, PREVIOUS PRESENTATION ABOUT WHO WOULD DO THAT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PARTNER ENGAGEMENT, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, AND ALL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
MOVING INTO OUR LAST SECTION, WE WILL GO OVER PROGRAMS, BUDGET METRICS AND DIVISION DESCRIPTIONS ON THIS SLIDE.
THE OHS PROGRAMS ARE LAID OUT ACROSS THE FOUR TRACK STRATEGIES, WHICH CAN BE FOUND IN THE APPENDIX ON SLIDE 21 TO CONTINUE INCREASING OUR SHELTER CAPACITY.
OHS CONTINUES TO FUND AN ADDITIONAL 50 BEDS AT THE BRIDGE PER NIGHT AND WILL GRADUATE THE FIRST COHORT CURRENTLY IN THE CAPACITY BUILDING PROGRAM VIA THE UNITED WAY THIS FALL.
YOU SHOULD EACH HAVE RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO THEIR JUNE, JUNE 4TH POLICY COURSE DURING WHICH THEY WILL COME TO CITY HALL FOR A CHANCE TO MEET YOU AND THEIR CITIZEN HOMELESSNESS COMMISSIONER IN ORDER TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF HOW TO CONNECT WITH EXISTING RESOURCES AND NEEDS IN THEIR DISTRICT.
THAT MESSAGE ALSO CONTAINED AN INVITATION TO THEIR GRADUATION IN EARLY JULY, APPLICATIONS FOR THE SECOND AND FINAL COHORT SUPPORTED BY THIS GRANT OPEN IN LATE MAY AND RUN THROUGH MID-JUNE.
OUR INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER TRACK IS WELL ESTABLISHED AND WE ARE CURRENTLY GEARING UP TO SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS DURING PERIODS OF EXCESSIVE HEAT THIS SUMMER.
THE SUBSIDIZATION OF SUPPORTIVE HOUSING
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CONTINUES VIA MULTIPLE PROGRAMS, INCLUDING DIVERSION FUNDING, A GRANT FOR SUPPORT OF SENIOR HOUSING, THE REAL-TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE FOR WHICH WE CURRENTLY SUPPORT.16 FTE CON FTES CONTRACTED OUT TO PARTNER AGENCIES AND THE LANDLORD SUBSIDIZED LEASING PROGRAM VIA CITY SQUARE, WHICH WILL EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER.
TRACK THREE CONTINUES WITH THE MASTER LEASING PROGRAM, WHICH HAS NOT NEEDED TO BE UTILIZED UNTIL QUITE RECENTLY.
THIS IS AS EXPECTED GIVEN THAT WE HOPE TO ACCESS VERY LITTLE OF THIS FUNDING SET ASIDE ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS TO ASSIST WITH PROVIDING LANDLORD INCENTIVES TO SECURE HOUSING THROUGHOUT OUR SYSTEM.
AT PRESENT, IT IS PROJECTED TO ACCESS ONLY ROUGHLY 1 MILLION OF THE ORIGINAL 3 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR THIS POTENTIAL USE ACROSS THE YEAR, AND ITS ONE RENEWAL PERIOD.
TRACK FOUR CONTINUES WITH THE 2024 BOND, CREATING FUNDING FOR PA PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING GAP FINANCING, AND AS WE WRAP UP EXISTING PROJECTS.
OUR BUDGETING FOR EQUITY EFFORTS INCLUDE COMPLETED GOALS OF A COMMUNITY-WIDE PLAN FOR INCREASING PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING NOW IN THE FORM OF A MONTHLY INTER-AGENCY, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WORK GROUP, AND A PRIOR GOAL TO PARTNER WITH THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS AND OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION TO CREATE A RECOMMENDED SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION PROPOSAL AS PART OF THE 2023 LEGISLATIVE AGENDA.
ALL OF OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE PROJECTED TO BE MET OR EXCEEDED.
SAVE ONE, WHICH AS I HAVE MENTIONED, IS A CURRENT CITY SQUARE GRANT THAT WILL EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER.
THIS SLIDE GOES OVER OUR DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION DIVISION IN GREATER DETAIL, AGAIN COVERING OUR CONTRACTS, FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF WHO OVERSEE THE 80% OF OUR FUNDING CONCENTRATED IN CONTRACTS.
OUR PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION AND PUBLIC INFORMATION DIVISION SPANS A WIDE RANGE OF DUTIES INCLUDING PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, SUPPORT OF ANY AND ALL COMMUNITY AND OR CITY COUNCIL EVENTS.
WE ARE REQUESTED TO ATTEND PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND SPECIAL PROJECTS SUCH AS THE 2024 BOND GIVE RESPONSIBLY CAMPAIGN, OHS FRIENDS GROUP AND THE MONTHLY SEAT AT THE TABLE EVENT.
LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, IS OUR BOOTS ON THE GROUND FORCE EMERGENCY AND STREET OUTREACH SERVICES.
THESE MEN AND WOMEN COMPRISE OUR DAILY STREET OUTREACH RESPONSE ACROSS DALLAS, RESPONDING TO 3 1 1 SERVICE REQUESTS, MOVING INTO SUPPORT OF EMERGENCIES AS THEY ARISE AND REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF AND RESPONDING TO COMMUNITY REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION AND AN INFORMED PRESENCE AT LOCAL MEETINGS.
BETWEEN OCTOBER OF 2023 AND MARCH OF THIS YEAR, OHS STREET OUTREACH RESOLVED ALMOST 4,000 SERVICE REQUESTS.
THE HOMELESS ACTION RESPONSE TEAM IS OUR MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL HOMELESSNESS EMERGENCY RESPONSE SYSTEM, RESPONSIVE TO MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS AND ITEMS FLAGGED BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE FIELD.
FROM OCTOBER OF 2023 TO MARCH OF THIS YEAR, THEY HAVE RESOLVED 159 INCIDENTS IN ADDITION TO HELPING WITH NORMAL STREET OUTREACH WORK AS TIME ALLOWS.
THE INTERDEPARTMENTAL NATURE OF THIS TEAM ALLOWS IT TO CUT DOWN ON RESPONSE TIMES BY DOING AWAY WITH THE TIME IT TAKES TO REFER A SERVICE REQUEST BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS AND IS SO EFFECTIVE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS AROUND HOW WE CAN REORIENT ALL EXISTING RESOURCES, UH, IN TERMS OF THIS DIVISION TO COLLABORATE IN THIS MANNER, WHICH WILL STREAMLINE OUR EFFORTS INCREASING EFFICIENCY AND CUTTING DOWN ON OUTSIDE VENDOR COSTS.
OUR ENCAMPMENT AND HOTSPOT CLEANINGS ARE SHARED BY ALL OUTREACH STAFF MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY WITH FOUR ENCAMPMENTS CLOSED BY DECOMMISSIONINGS DURING THIS PERIOD, AND TWO CLOSED DUE TO EMERGENCIES.
AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED DURING OTHER BRIEFINGS, THE WIDER SYSTEM IS NOW REORIENTING TO SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON THE VISIBLY UNSHELTERED WITH PARTICULAR ATTENTION GIVEN TO THE DISPROPORTIONATE CONCENTRATION OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
PROGRESS CAN ALREADY BE SEEN ON SOUTH ST.
PAUL STREET AND WILL CONTINUE TO ROLL OUT THROUGH THE SUMMER MONTHS.
WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT BACK TO YOU CHAIR FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, CHAIR GRACIE, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
AND I, I'D LOVE TO GO THROUGH THIS IN IN MORE DETAIL AT SOME POINT.
I THINK WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THIS, BUT I, I THINK YOU ARE IN A DEPARTMENT THAT THERE IS APPETITE TO SPEND MORE IF NECESSARY TO HELP US RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE GOT.
I MEAN, OUR, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MANIFESTS ITSELF IN OUR 3 1 1 CALLS AND CALLS TO OUR OFFICES.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHERE IF YOU HAVE AN ENHANCEMENT OR YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A LID ON THAT SORT OF THING, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
UM, IF SPENDING, UH, X AMOUNT CAN GET US X EXPONENTIALLY MORE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, RESOLVING OUR ENCAMPMENTS OR IN CLEANUP OR, UM, IN HELPING PEOPLE WITH MEDICAL EPISODES AND DIVERSION AND THAT SORT OF THING, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD BE ALL EARS IN THIS
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CATEGORY.AND I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT WHILE WE INTERNALLY ARE, ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN REDUCE, UM, WHICH WE ARE FINDING A LOT OF PLACES THAT WE, A LOT OF PLACES WE CAN, WE CAN STREAMLINE, WE CAN SHIFT THINGS TO OUTSIDE PARTNERS.
UM, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN MAKE A WIDER IMPACT, BUT A LOT OF THAT IS THROUGH THE PARTNERING THAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES, WITH DALLAS COUNTY, WITH NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH WITH METROCARE, WHO CAN BRING IN THOSE RESOURCES THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE JUST IN A MORE ALIGNED WAY.
AND PART OF THAT IS ALSO WORKING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT AS THEY TAKE SOME THINGS OVER.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ACTIVELY DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW.
EFFICIENCY AND PARTNERSHIPS SHOULD BE THE ORDER OF THE DAY, UM, ACROSS ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE WORKING VERY VIGILANTLY AT THAT.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, UM, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE COULD GET A GREATER RETURN ON THAT OUR, OUR RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE AND THAT WOULD HELP PEOPLE, THEN, UM, THAT'S WHAT I, I'M INTERESTED IN.
SO EFFICIENCY PARTNERSHIPS PLUS LOOKING AT WHAT A GREATER RETURN WOULD BE, UM, AND NOT BEING AFRAID TO SAY, OKAY, I THINK WE NEED TO, TO THINK HARD ABOUT THAT IN THIS CATEGORY BECAUSE THE RESULTS THAT IT WOULD YIELD WOULD BE VERY MEANINGFUL ACROSS MANY DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.
ON SLIDE FOUR, YOU SHOW THE INCREASE IN FUNDING THAT, UM, THAT WE'VE HAD $5.7 MILLION INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
AND I THINK THAT REALLY SHOWS AN EXTRAORDINARY COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS.
UM, THE, THE MORE CONCERNING NUMBER TO ME IS ON SIX, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT FISCAL YEAR 21, WHERE WE HAD 27 POSITIONS FUNDED FROM THE GENERAL FUND, AND WHAT'S PLANNED IS 45.
SO ADDING 18 PEOPLE WITHIN FIVE YEARS IS A LOT FOR, FOR THAT DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GOTTA BE LIKE, WHAT, LIKE 40 SOMETHING PERCENT? UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE'S BEEN NO SHORTAGE OF THAT ON THE ORG CHART.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN EACH OF THESE BOXES.
MEANING ARE ARE WE HEAVY ON CONTRACT MANAGEMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTRACTS OR I MEAN, ARE WE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON? YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I I DON'T EVEN WANNA GO THERE ON, ON, ON WHERE ARE WE SPENDING MONEY IS ONE THING, BUT WHERE ARE WE STAFFING IT? GOOD MORNING.
YES, THIS IS, UH, WANDA MOLER.
I'M AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR OHS.
AND SO FOR DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION WE HAVE 17 GENERAL FUND POSITIONS AND ONE ESG FUNDED POSITION IN EMERGENCY AND OUTREACH.
UM, WHAT, WHAT I'M ASKING ACTUALLY IS ON THIS ORG CHART MM-HMM.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE ONE PERSON WHO'S DOING MULTIPLE THINGS, SO I, I DON'T HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY EACH BOX.
I HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY THE DIVISION, BUT I CAN GET IT IF YOU WANTED TO, TO SEE IT BY EACH BOX.
UM, YEAH, FOR INSTANCE, WITH STREET OUTREACH, I TALKED ABOUT HOW HEART DOES A BUNCH OF THINGS AS DO STREET OUTREACH AND INCLEMENT WEATHER IS EVERYBODY.
SO WE COULD TRY TO BREAK IT OUT BY PERCENTAGE OF TIME, BUT IT REALLY FLUCTUATES DEPENDING ON THE YEAR, IF THAT HELPS AT ALL.
WELL, IS EVERYBODY DOING CONTRACT MANAGEMENT? I MEAN, DON'T YOU HAVE JUST CERTAIN PEOPLE DEDICATED TO THAT? CORRECT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I CAN GET YOU THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT TODAY.
BUT I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU BROKEN DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD GUESS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BUDGET AND FINANCE AND BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS ON THAT, THAT THOSE ARE PROBABLY ONLY DOING THAT.
INCLEMENT WEATHER, IT IS ALL HANDS ON DECK.
UM, STREET OUTREACH AND ADVOCACY, AGAIN, THAT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S DEDICATED PEOPLE WHO DO STREET OUTREACH.
SO YEAH, I, I WOULD LIKE BETTER DEFINITION ON THAT.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS ON, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING THE FOUR TRACK STRATEGY AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO US AND SAY, REALLY, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE FIFTH TRACK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE SERVICE RESISTANT.
HOW DO WE DO TEMPORARY ONLY? WE DIDN'T EVER
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CONCEIVE THAT.AND I THINK IT'S BECOME VERY CLEAR THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE MASTER LEASE PROGRAM, WHICH I WILL JUST, AGAIN OBJECT THAT IT'S EVEN CALLED THAT WHEN IT'S A RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, UM, PER THE CONTRACT AND THE DEFINITION OF MASTER LEASING.
SO 3 MILLION WAS DEDICATED TO THAT.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO MOVE A MILLION OF THAT TO, UM, THE SERVICE RESISTANT TRACK IF, IF COUNSEL WISHED SO ON THE MASTER LEASING, THAT WAS A SET ASIDE IN THE PENSION FUNDS.
SO WE HOPE NOT TO HAVE TO TOUCH MOST OF IT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST WHAT IS POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE.
SO IT'S NOT MONEY THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE, IT'S JUST MONEY THAT'S ACCESSIBLE AS NEEDED.
AND WE'RE HOPING TO USE ONLY A MILLION.
UM, AND I WILL, UH, ON THE FOUR TRACK, WE REFRESHED THAT WITH THIS BODY IN 2022.
WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK.
I WOULD ALSO SAY THOUGH, I THINK POTENTIALLY WE COULD LOOK AT HOW THAT FITS WITHIN INCREASING EMERGENCY SHELTER.
I THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S JUST A SUB-BULLET IN THERE AND ALREADY FITS INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I'M GONNA GO TO PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH THESE, AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THEM, BUT THE NUMBER OF 3 1 1 SERVICE REQUESTS RESOLVED WITHIN 21 DAYS.
I'LL JUST TELL YOU, I GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED THAT THEY PUT IN A SERVICE REQUEST AND IT'S EITHER IMMEDIATELY CLOSED, WHICH I UNDERSTAND FROM YOU MEANS, OH, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT REQUEST.
BUT THEY SAY, I SUBMITTED THAT FRANKFURT AND THE TOLLWAY HAS, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE ENCAMPMENTS, IT'S IMMEDIATELY CLOSED AND I DRIVE BY AND IT'S STILL THERE.
SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A MISMATCH.
AND THEN IS IT STILL THERE IN 21 DAYS? YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'VE PROBABLY ADDRESSED IT TWICE AND IT'S STILL THERE IN 21 DAYS, MEANING YOU PROBABLY WENT OUT, REMOVED IT, IT CAME BACK, GOT MORE CALLS, REMOVED IT AGAIN, AND IT IS STILL THERE IN 21 DAYS.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE REALITY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THE SECOND ONE PERCENTAGE OF UNDUPLICATED PERSONS PLACED IN PERMANENT HOUSING WHO REMAIN HOUSED AFTER SIX MONTHS.
DOES THAT MEAN SIX MONTHS AFTER WE'VE STOPPED PAYING? I MEAN, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS ONGOING, SO YES.
UM, PERMANENT, WELL, THIS IS PERMANENT HOUSING.
SO PERMANENT HOUSING COULD BE A RAPID REHOUSING SUBSIDY, UM, OR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
BUT OUR CONTRACT REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, HOUSING FORD IS TO TRACK, UH, 12 MONTHS AND THEN I THINK TWO YEARS.
IS IT 12? YEAH, 12 MONTHS TO 24 MONTHS AFTER THE PROGRAM SUBSIDY STOPS.
SO THAT IS, HAS BEEN THE SUCCESS RATE ACROSS THE PAST THREE YEARS.
WELL, AT 12 MONTHS WE'RE STILL PAYING RAPID REHOUSING 12 MONTHS AFTER THE SUBSIDY ENDS, THEN THEY CHECK 12 MONTHS LATER.
AND SO, UM, SOME OF THAT IS JUST NOW THEN BECOMING AVAILABLE, THAT DATA? YES, WE'VE HAD, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 12 MONTHS AFTER THE FIRST ROUND OF SUBSIDIES ENDED, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OCTOBER OF 2022 WOULD BE 12 MONTHS.
SO THEN YOU'D BE LOOKING AT OCTOBER OF 2023 FOR THAT FIRST ROUND OF DATA.
SO IT'S COMING IN THOSE 12 MONTH CYCLES, 12 TO 24 MONTH CYCLES.
AND GOING BACK ON THE PERCENTAGE OF 3 0 1 1 REQUESTS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING ALL OF OUR RESOURCES ACROSS DIVISIONS, ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE IN HEART.
AND THAT'S BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL.
WE WANNA CREATE THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, OH, WELL WE CLOSED IT, BUT IT'S CODE AND THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS TO RESPOND AND YOU'RE JUST CREATING UNNECESSARY TIME WHEN WE COULD JUST ALL BE OUT THERE TOGETHER.
SO FOR PERCENTAGE OF PERSONS CONNECTED TO SERVICES THROUGH CITY OF DALLAS STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM, CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT TOOK SERVICES MEANS? DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY LEFT THE STREETS? YES, THAT MEANS THEY LEFT THE STREETS TO ACCEPT SERVICES.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN HOUSING.
THE SERVICE COULD BE IDEAL RECLAMATION AT THE STEW POT, AND WHILE THEY'RE THERE, THEY COULD GET ANOTHER SERVICE, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY'RE CONNECTED TO HOUSING THAT DAY.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THESE NEED TO BE RECONSIDERED.
UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST POINT OUT THAT YOUR FORECAST OF 118% FOR THE PAY TO STAY PROGRAM IS JUST SORT OF VALIDATING THE USE AND OVERUSE MAYBE OF OUR EMERGENCY SHELTERS.
SO, UM, WELL, AND THAT, THAT PARTICULAR ONE IS BECAUSE WE HAD A DIFFERENT PROGRAM METRIC FOR THEM AND THEY OUTPERFORMED IT.
SO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO RIGHTSIZE IT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SHOWING THAT YOU'RE AT 118%, YOU HAVE THE WRONG PROGRAM METRIC.
LIKE WE SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE CONSTANTLY HITTING THAT, THEN WE NEED TO READJUST THE METRICS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON IN THE NEXT CONTRACT, IS IT? BUT YES, THEY ARE CONSTANTLY MEETING THAT IS THE METRIC, THE 50 BEDS IN THE WELCOME CENTER.
AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY EXCEEDING THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING MORE WITH LESS MONEY.
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WE NEED MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY SEEKING SHELTER.UM, ON PAGE FOUR, CHRISTINE, UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT THERE IS A COMMITMENT AND A WILL TO, UH, IF NEEDED ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO MAKE THIS WORK.
UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON PAGE FOUR THOUGH, IS ALSO A POINT IN TIME COUNT BAR GRAPH SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE TRENDS OF WHERE WE ARE WITH HOMELESSNESS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IF WE'RE GOING DOWN IN THE NUMBER OF THOSE, UM, EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, WHY IS OUR BUDGET GROWING? AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND THAT PIT COUNT BAR GRAPH.
THERE'S ALSO A REALLY INTERESTING, UM, AND I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT'S A NATIONAL REPORT BASED ON THE POINT IN TIME COUNT AND THE HOUSING INVENTORY COUNT, THE HICK, UM, THAT LOOKS AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT STATES ACROSS THE US FOR 2023, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE COM COMPREHENSIVE DATA THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, AND IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT TEXAS IN THAT LIGHT, WHICH WE ARE ONE OF THE HIGHER ONES, BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT DALLAS AND HOUSTON AND BREAKOUT DALLAS, WE'RE ACTUALLY THE GROUPS THAT ARE HELPING TO BRING THE COST TO BRING THE NUMBERS DOWN.
SO IT'S AN INTERESTING STORY ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AS A NATION.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE COST, I THINK SOMETHING THAT I'VE SAID BEFORE IS THE STARTUP COST TO REORIENT THE SYSTEM.
WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT ARPA FUNDING COME, BUT WITH THE ARPA FUNDING, YOU ALSO HAVE AN INCREASE IN NEED FOR PEOPLE TO MANAGE THE CONTRACTS, AND THOSE WILL GO THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, WE'RE ALSO GETTING ADDITIONAL FUNDS AS WE GO, BUT ONCE THOSE STARTUP COSTS ARE IN PLACE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN HOUSTON, THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS ACTUALLY GOES DOWN.
AND THE MORE PEOPLE WHO GET HOUSED, THE MORE THE COST TO THE SYSTEM GOES DOWN.
SO WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND I KNOW IN THE STATE OF HOMELESSNESS ADDRESS THEY TALKED ABOUT, THEY'RE NOW GOING TO BE RAISING 30 MILLION.
WELL, THAT'S 30 MILLION TO DECREASE HOMELESSNESS, ANOTHER 30% FROM WHERE WE ALREADY ARE AT 24% VERSUS 72 MILLION TO SET THE SYSTEM UP SO THE RATE OF RETURN GROWS.
UM, ONE THING I WILL SAY THOUGH IS WE HAVE ALSO GOTTEN A LOT MORE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT OUR CLEANINGS AND ENFORCEMENT AND WORKING ON THIS.
WE CAME OUT OF COVID WHEN WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING OR TOUCH ANY ENCAMPMENT, AND WE REALLY GOT TO WORK.
UM, WE'VE ALSO BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON, UM, TEXT DOT SITES.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT ABOUT WE'RE PROJECTED TO HAVE 65% OF OUR CLEANINGS THIS YEAR BEYOND TXDOT SITES.
AND 70, ROUGHLY 70% OF OUR FENCING WAS ON TXDOT LOCATIONS.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD THERE AS WELL WITH, UM, HOUSING, UH, FORWARD, UH, THEIR COMMITMENT OF 30 MILLION, WHAT WAS THEIR, THEIR INITIAL COMMITMENT AND HOW MUCH WAS RAISED? SO THE INITIAL COMMITMENT BROKE OUT TO BE 25 MILLION FROM THE CITY, 25 MILLION FROM THE COUNTY, BOTH IN ARPA, THEY RAISED 10 MILLION PRIVATELY, AND THEN THERE'S ROUGHLY A $12 MILLION VOUCHER, UH, VALUE IN THE 768 HOUSING VOUCHERS.
SO THIS TIME I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALREADY RAISED 20 MILLION OF IT, UM, CONTRACTUAL, UM, SERVICES OBLIGATIONS.
UM, I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, I, I TEND TO LEAN ON OUTSOURCING SOME STUFF, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WHAT, WHY AREN'T WE USING CODE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THOSE CLEANUPS? SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WHEN I SAY, UM, STREAMLINING AND BRINGING IN HOUSE, BECAUSE OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN, BY UTILIZING ALL OF OUR RESOURCES, WHICH INCLUDES THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, LIKE CODE MORE EFFECTIVELY WHEN WE GO OUT, THE HOPE IS THAT WE CAN THEN REALLY CUT DOWN ON THAT OUTSIDE VENDOR COST, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
I MEAN, THE MILLION DOLLAR BUMP IN OUR BUDGET LAST YEAR REALLY, REALLY HELPED.
UM, SO IF WE CAN CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THOSE OUTSIDE VENDORS AND UTILIZE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WE WILL SEE A VERY GOOD, UH, GREAT COST REDUCTION.
AND THEN CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO REIMBURSEMENTS, UM, WHETHER IT'S DW, THE PARK DEPARTMENT OR T DOT, HOW ARE THOSE COSTS CAPTURED AND ARE WE SHOWING THAT IN THIS BUDGET? I WANNA MORELIN AGAIN.
UH, SO THE REIMBURSEMENT THAT WE'RE SHOWING IN THE BUDGET, THOSE ARE REIMBURSEMENT FOR OUR STAFF TIME WORKING ON, UM, ESG GRANTS.
WE DON'T SHOW, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT BEING REIMBURSED FOR TECH STOCK.
IS THAT, WAS THAT YOUR QUESTION? WELL, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, DWI KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GIVING DOLLARS FOR SOME OF THOSE CLEANUPS AND THEN I'M NOT SURE HOW THE PARK DEPARTMENT'S DOING THEIR, THEIR SHARE.
SO, SO DWU HAS THEIR FUNDING IN THEIR BUCK IN THEIR BUCKET.
I MEAN, THEN I, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, I WISH THAT COST WAS SOMEWHERE WHETHER OR WHETHER IT'S AN ASIC OR SOMETHING.
SO YOU COULD SEE SO THAT WE CAN GET A BETTER OKAY.
UM, ACCOUNTING OF WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY COSTING US.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO, ESPECIALLY GOING INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE IS, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT US
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LOOKING AT COMING TOGETHER AND WORKING ON ALL OF THIS, UM, IN A WAY THAT WE, WE STREAMLINE OUR RESOURCES AND SO WE CAN PULL TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST OF A HEART CLEANUP AND HOW IS IT IMPACTING THE VARIOUS SYSTEMS. OBVIOUSLY THE ENTIRE HEART LIFT THAT WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO WAS 2.5 MILLION FOR THE TEAM, UM, TO GO OUT AND DO THAT.THAT INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN'T SPEAK AS ELOQUENTLY TO THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, CODE PRO TEAMS, ORDERING EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF CLEANING AND FENCING COSTS, WE CAN BREAK THAT OUT FOR YOU AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PULL TOGETHER FOR THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
UH, ON PAGE EIGHT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, THE VOLUNTEERS AND FRIENDS GROUP, IS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED TO THE FRIENDS GROUP? NO, THERE IS NOT.
ON PAGE 14, ON METRICS, HOW WAS THIS GRADED? I MEAN, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THESE, UH, PERCENTAGES THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US? UM, SURE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE.
PERCENTAGE OF SERVICE REQUESTS RESOLVED WITHIN 21 DAYS? YES, MA'AM.
SO THE, THE NEW, THE, THE TOP NUMBER WILL BE THE NUMBER OF 3 1 1 REQUESTS RESOLVED WITHIN 21 DAYS.
AND THEN THE DENOMINATOR IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF 3 1 1 REQUESTS.
WELL, WHAT, WHAT IS RESOLVED? RESOLVED MEANS THAT, UM, THEY HAVE CONNECTED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL, WELL, THAT'S OUR DEFINITION, UM, CONNECTED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SENT IN THE REQUEST, IF THERE IS ONE, AND IT'S NOT ANONYMOUS, UM, AND GONE OUT, LAID EYES ON THE SITE, SEEING WHAT IS NECESSARY, AND THEN EITHER RESOLVED IT, UH, AS IN OFFERING SERVICES, WHICH AGAIN DOES NOT ALWAYS RESULT IN PEOPLE MOVING BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT ENFORCEMENT ARM.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO, UM, OR HAND IT OFF TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT.
IN CASES OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE CODE, UM, IF SOMEONE SAYS IT'S AN ENCAMPMENT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST TRASH.
MAYBE THAT'S SANITATION OR PUBLIC WORKS, BUT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE, WE CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM.
IT'S JUST OUR PORTION IS FORMERLY CLOSED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO CLOSE IT TO GIVE IT TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK RES, UH, THAT'S WHAT RESOLVED MEANS TO A LOT OF OUR RE RESIDENTS OR BUSINESS OWNERS.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE A NEW BAR GRAPH OR SOMETHING THAT, OR MAYBE WE STOP USING THE WORD RES, UH, RESOLVED AND TO USE SOMETHING, A DIFFERENT WORD.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT WILL CALL OUR OFFICES AND SAY, HEY, IT'S SAYS RESOLVED, BUT THE ISSUE'S STILL THERE.
UM, WITH THAT, HOW DOES THE CS A APP AND THE APPS THAT DDI USES AND THE DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION, ARE THEY TIED INTO OUR 3 1 1 SYSTEM, OR HOW ARE WE CAPTURING THEIR, UM, WHEN A RESIDENT IS, IS USING THEIR, THEIR PLATFORM? THEY AREN'T AT THIS POINT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY, I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT TO TIE THEM IN.
WE WOULD NEED, UM, NOT BRITA, BUT SPEAKING FROM, I THINK WE'D NEED LIKE A BACKDOOR TO THEIR SYSTEMS TO, TO PULL IT IN.
UM, RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY REPORT, I'M ASKING FOR REPORTS AND THEN THEY'RE SENDING ME, UM, STATIC SCREENSHOTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO I THINK THERE ARE DE THERE'S DEFINITELY ROOM TO EXPLORE HOW WE COMMUNICATE ACROSS SYSTEMS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, THE WAY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT IN THE SYSTEM IS THE BY QUADRANT OUTREACH.
SO EVERYONE, EVERY, ANYONE WHO HAS OUTREACH IS WORKING AS PART OF A LARGER TEAM.
SO THERE IS, WE'RE IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES.
SPEAKING OF BRITA, UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A, A DASHBOARD ON GETTING THE NUMBER OF BEDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM, THE NUMBER OF BEDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE EACH NIGHT? SO WHEN SOMEONE IS LOOKING FOR A BED, WE'RE NOT SCRAMBLING AND TRYING TO CALL FIVE DIFFERENT SHELTERS.
WE KNOW EXACTLY WHICH BEDS ARE AVAILABLE, UH, WHAT'S THE CRITERIA FOR THOSE? AND THEN WITH THAT, UH, A HOTSPOT OF ENCAMPMENTS SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THESE ENCAMPMENTS ARE, UM, WHICH ONES ARE GROWING, WHICH ONES ARE JUST TWO PEOPLE? UM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE, IF THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOMETHING, UH, TO THAT EFFECT.
SO WE HAVE AN INTERNAL, UM, MAP THROUGH THE HOUSING INVENTORY COUNT THAT TALKS ABOUT BED STAYS.
IT'S NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM, UM, BUT IT IS ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY UTILIZED BY THE COC IN TERMS OF AN EXTERNAL DASHBOARD, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE.
I WOULD NEED TO CHECK IN WITH SARAH ON THAT.
I KNOW THEY'RE FOREVER WORKING ON DATA AND GETTING MORE PEOPLE'S DATA WHO DON'T NECESSARILY USE HMIS TO TALK TO EVERYBODY ELSE'S DATA IN TERMS OF, UM, HOTSPOTS AND ENCAMPMENTS,
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THE 3 1 1 GIS MAP IS REALLY, REALLY GREAT.UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO CREATE ANOTHER MAP OUTSIDE OF, OF THAT, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE MOVE SO FREQUENTLY AND THERE'S ALSO THE, OUR CALLING MAP, WHICH I KNOW IS UTILIZED BY MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS.
SO I WOULDN'T REALLY SAY WE NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL ON THAT ONE.
UM, VICE CHAIRMAN MIDDLETON, THANK YOU.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING WITH THE QUESTIONS IS REALLY JUST TO HEAR HOW MANY PLACES THERE'S HIDDEN COSTS AND FROM, ESPECIALLY FROM HOMELESSNESS, BUT SPECIFICALLY ENCAMPMENTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY HIT ON THE CRIME ASPECT, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY LOTS OF CAR BREAK-INS AND CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITIES AS PEOPLE LOOK FOR A WAY TO SUSTAIN THEMSELVES BEYOND JUST PANHANDLING THAT ARE ENCAMPED.
UM, SO THEY MAY NOT BE WORKING, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY FINDING A WAY TO, UM, MONETIZE SITUATIONS SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO LIVE.
AND JUST BY MOVING PEOPLE OUT OF THOSE SITUATIONS INTO A PLACE WHERE THEY'RE SAFE AND THEIR HUMAN NEEDS ARE MET, LIKE THE REDUCTIONS WE COULD SEE IN PUBLIC SAFETY ALONE ARE AMAZING.
UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE, UM, HEAVILY INVOLVED IN, IN DRUGS AND WE'RE SENDING OUT A LOT OF CALLS TO GO WELL AND DO WELFARE CHECKS.
AGAIN, THE NUMBER OF RUNS FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD DRAMATICALLY DECREASE, BUT IT MIGHT MEAN WE NEED TO ALLOCATE STAFF TO BE ON SITE AT ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS.
AND SO IT'S JUST RETHINKING WHERE ARE THE RESOURCES, AND THAT'S WHY I'M CHALLENGING YOU ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE MASTER LEASE PROGRAM, ALL THESE OUTREACH WORKERS.
WELL, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED AS MANY OUTREACH WORKERS IF WE ACTUALLY DO THE ENFORCEMENT NECESSARY.
AND YOU KNOW, THE WORD ENFORCEMENT, I HAVEN'T COME ACROSS IT IN THIS ENTIRE DAY'S, ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE ENCAMPMENTS AND TO ANOTHER SOLUTION, HOPEFULLY.
UM, I WOULD LIKE YOU IF POSSIBLE TO SEND A MEMO OR EVEN JUST AN EMAIL TO ME, UM, THAT TELLS US THE TEXT DO LOCATIONS AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY COMPLETED.
AND IF YOU HAVE ONES THAT ARE SCHEDULED, IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW, UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO TEXT DOT ABOUT THAT.
UM, CHRISTINE, WE, WE ARE GONNA BE LOSING QUORUM HERE IN A SECOND.
IS THERE A PARTICULAR MEMO THAT NEEDS IMMEDIATE ATTENTION THAT WE CAN COVER IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MINUTES? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? UH, WE'RE GONNA BE, UM, LOSING QUORUM HERE IN A SECOND.
AND WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S A MEMO THAT THAT REQUIRES IMMEDIATE ATTENTION, UM, TODAY THAT WE CAN HAVE? YES, THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE HAVE OUR UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS, ALL OF THOSE WE WANNA GET ON, UH, THE AGENDAS AND WE ARE VARIOUS AGENDAS, E, F, AND G, WHICH ITEMS E, F, AND G.
UM, SO WE'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THESE REALLY QUICKLY.
UM, VICE CHAIR MIDDLESTON ON, ON ALL THREE.
SO MY ONLY QUESTIONS ABOUT ITEM F, UM, AND THIS IS ABOUT THE, UM, FORT WORTH AVENUE LOCATION.
SO CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS TO RESCIND THIS? UM, AND THEN CAN YOU TELL US EXACTLY HOW MUCH HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT? AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING TO SPEND 4.79 MILLION MORE, AND WILL THIS COME TO COUNCIL OR IS THIS AUTHORIZING IN, IN, IN ITEM THREE? IS THAT AUTHORIZING THE, I'M SORRY.
AND TWO, THE CITY MANAGER TO DO THAT ON THEIR OWN.
CYNTHIA ERICKSON, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
SO THIS IS AN UPDATE TO WHAT'S COMING IN THE, UH, IN THE JUNE 12TH, JUNE 26TH AGENDA.
UM, WE ARE RESCINDING WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY WITH UCR AND, UM, COME ON AND I'LL LET DARWIN EXPLAIN THE REST.
DARWIN WADE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR? YES.
SO THE RESCISSION IS FOR THE UCR DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL BACK IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR.
BUT WHY, UH, THAT, THAT WAS AVOIDED PROCUREMENT.
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PUT THE, UH, NOFA OUT TO BRING IN, UH, A PRIVATE DEVELOPER INSTEAD OF USING UCR AS THE DEVELOPMENT.AND WHY, WHY DO WE DO THAT? SO, THE REASON FOR THE RESCISSION, UM, WITH UCR, REMEMBER BACK IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR, WE WORKED WITH CBRE TO CONDUCT THAT PROCUREMENT, THAT PROCUREMENT DID NOT FOLLOW STATE OR FEDERAL GUIDELINES.
SO THAT VOIDED THE PROCUREMENT WITH UCR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WITH THIS ACTION THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE UPCOMING COUNCIL AGENDA FOR 6 26, WE ARE RESCINDING THAT COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION, AWARDING THOSE DOLLARS TO UCR DEVELOPMENT, AND WE WILL IN TURN AWARD THOSE DOLLARS TO THE, UH, TO BE SELECTED VENDOR FOR, UH, 1950.
IS IT THE SAME AMOUNT OF DOLLARS? UH, THIS, ON THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM FOR 6 26, WE WILL BE AWARDING APPROXIMATELY 2.3 MILLION IN BOND FUNDS.
AND THERE THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 2.2 MILLION IN FEDERAL GRANT.
SO IT'S ABOUT 4.4 MILLION, WHICH IS A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT WE AWARDED UCR DEVELOPMENT BACK IN 2023.
SO, I MEAN, I'VE READ THIS WHOLE THING, BUT HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT ALTOGETHER? IF THIS GETS AWARDED, HOW MUCH ARE WE IN FOR, FOR THIS PROPERTY? SO TOTAL, UH, AWARD FOR THIS PROPERTY, UM, WITH THE UPCOMING ITEM FOR 6 26, THAT'S ABOUT 4.4 MILLION.
WE ALSO HAVE THE KIRKSEY ARCHITECT, THE DESIGN FIRM THAT WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY.
SO THAT TOTAL ALLOCATION FOR THAT, UM, ITEM WAS ABOUT 530,000.
AND THE PURCHASE? THE PURCHASE 3.5? YES.
SO ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS SO FAR.
UM, CYNTHIA, UH, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT.
DO YOU NEED A, DO YOU NEED US TO JUST, UM, ASK YOU TO MOVE THESE FORWARD? YES, SIR.
THE TIME IS NOW 1153 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.