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MS. BASIN, I THINK WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED.
CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL? GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT 14, MR. PRESIDENT, DISTRICT 14 HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. FAINA.
GOOD MORNING, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JUNE 17TH, 9:10 AM WELCOME TO THE SPECIALLY CALLED HEARING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLANE COMMISSION.
[BRIEFINGS]
WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH A BRIEFING.OUR TWO GENTLEMEN ARE HERE AND READY TO GO.
UH, AND, UH, WE WILL GO TO TAKE SOME PUBLIC INPUT AFTER THAT.
I HOPE THOSE FATHERS HAD A GREAT FATHER'S DAY.
SO TODAY'S GONNA BE VERY BRIEF, UH, WITH THIS BRIEFING.
JUST GONNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN THE LAST, UH, SIX MONTHS WITH THIS PROJECT WITH YOU ALL, AND GO OVER SOME OVER, UH, TOUCHING POINTS FROM THE LAST UPDATE TO THE PLAN DOCUMENT.
AND THEN JUST OPEN THAT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
AND THEN WE CAN GO INTO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I'M GONNA SPEAK ON TOUCH ON, UH, THE CPC PROCESS TO DATE, UM, HIGHLIGHTS OF THE, THE MOST RECENT PLAN UPDATE AND THE NEXT STEPS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, SO IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INTERACTION WITH THIS BODY, UH, FROM CPC BRIEFINGS, WORKSHOPS, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND WHAT WE WANNA DO IS GIVE A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, UM, IN ADDITION TO OTHER ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD WITH COUNCIL, THE COMMUNITY, ET CETERA.
JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH CPC SO FAR.
UH, SO WE'VE HAD, UH, SIX BRIEFINGS, UH, TWO WORKSHOPS, AND THIS IS THE THIRD, UH, PUBLIC MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THIS BODY.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE HAD A, A NUMBER OF TOWN HALLS, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN LED BY YOU ALL OR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE SHOWING.
UH, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL OR THE PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS OR, OR TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT JUST WANNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SOMETHING PROBABLY EVERY WEEK, UH, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
UM, AND IN THIS MAP, I WANT TO JUST KIND OF TOUCH ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR.
SO AS THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN PROVIDING COMMENTS TO YOU ALL, UH, THROUGH LETTERS OR THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WHAT OUR TEAM HAS DONE, UH, THOSE THAT HAVE PROVIDED THEIR ADDRESS AS REQUIRED, UH, FOR THESE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE STARTED TO MAP THOSE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY JUST TO BE ABLE TO FIND OR FIGURE OUT OR SEE, UH, WHERE CERTAIN SENTIMENTS ARE COMING FROM.
I THOUGHT WE THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHICH AREAS ARE SAYING WHAT, UM, AND ALSO JUST TO SEE VISUALLY THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO, JUST WANTED TO SHOW THIS, THAT THE BLUE INDICATES THOSE ARE USUALLY IN FAVOR.
UH, THOSE THAT ARE IN OPPOSITIONS IS IN MAGENTA, AND THOSE THAT ARE NEUTRAL ARE IN BLACK.
UH, SO AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO SHOW A, A GEOGRAPHICAL SPREAD OF THE COMETS, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, UM, AS WE ARE TAKING THAT INPUT, UH, FROM YOU ALL FROM THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE HELPING US TO UPDATE THIS DRAFT.
UH, SO PLAN, UPDATE HIGHLIGHTS, AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO, I'M GOING TO TALK THROUGH, UH, THESE ON THE LIST, AND WE'LL USE THIS AS A GENERAL GUIDE AS WE BEGIN OUR CONVERSATION.
I'M JUST GONNA TOUCH ON THE MAJOR, UH, HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE LAST UPDATE.
UH, SO ONE, UH, WE'VE ADDED OVERVIEW AND PURPOSE LANGUAGE, UH, IN THE DOCUMENT, UH, SPECIFICALLY ELABORATING ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, NSOS CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, AND HOW THOSE RELATE TO FORD DALLAS.
UH, WE'VE ADDED A HISTORICAL CONTEXT AND TRENDS SECTION THAT GIVES A BIT MORE CONTEXT IN TERMS OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, FROM THE, FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS FROM THE CITY AND WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO GO.
UH, WE TOUCH ON CURRENT CONDITIONS AND THE EQUITY CONNECTIONS TO ALL THE LAND USE THEMES.
SO I THINK THAT WAS A, UH, UH, A FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONNECTION TO THE THEMES ARE CONNECTING TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND, WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND EQUITY, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, WE'VE ADDED SOME EMPHASIS ON
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TOD, UH, SPECIFICALLY HOW ADDITIONAL DENSITY SHOULD BE, UH, SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON TOD AND HOW THAT SHOULD, SHOULD WORK WITHIN THE PLACE TYPES.UH, WE'VE ALSO DEFINED AND UPDATED, UM, THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY USE DEFINITIONS.
UM, AND ALSO TOO, WE'VE ADDED AND UPDATED THE, THE LANE USE, THE LANE USES WITHIN THAT MATRIX TO, TO COINCIDE WITH THOSE DEFINITIONS AS WELL.
UH, LAST FOUR, WE'VE UPDATED THE CONTEXT LANGUAGE AND ADDED LOCATIONAL STRATEGIES FOR EACH OF THE PLACE TYPES, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THIS BODY.
UH, WE'VE ALSO, UH, ADDED SOME UPDATES TO DESIGN STRATEGIES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF ALL THE PLACE TYPES.
SO PROVIDING A BIT MORE CONTEXT, A BIT MORE DETAIL ON HOW, UH, CERTAIN ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, SHOULD LOOK LIKE IN THESE PLACE TYPES.
UH, PROVIDED CLARITY ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION TABLE.
UH, THERE WAS A BIT OF AMBIGUITY, UH, IN THE LAST VERSION, SO WE'VE ADDED A BIT MORE CLARITY ON, ON WHAT THOSE ACTION STEPS SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE'VE ADDED THE CONTEXT, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, UH, SPECIFICALLY CONTEXT MAPS, GLOSSARY, UH, AREA SPECIFIC MAPS, AND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT INTO THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT.
SO THOSE ITEMS THAT WE REFERENCE IN THE, THE MAIN PLAN DOCUMENT, YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT, UH, THE APPENDICES TO SEE HOW THOSE TIE IN, UH, TO THE DOCUMENT.
UH, SO ALSO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS JUST QUICKLY GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW WITH THE SCHEDULE.
WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS AS WELL, UH, AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO TO DATE, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD A SERIES OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, WORKSHOPS, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS AS WELL, AND BRIEFINGS.
SO TODAY IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND BRIEFING.
UM, AND AFTER TODAY, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER CONVER MORE CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF WHAT THE NEXT STEP LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF, UM, IN JULY, HOW WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD, THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS.
BUT JUST FOR TODAY, TODAY IS A PUBLIC MEETING, WHICH IS GONNA INCLUDE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY, UH, WE HAVE A REGULARLY SCHEDULED CPC, UH, MEETING ON THE 20TH OF THIS WEEK.
UH, STAFF IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR DALLAS STAFF IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT THAT MEETING ISN'T MEANT AS A PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THIS BODY MIGHT HAVE, UM, AFTER THIS MEETING HAS CONCLUDED.
SO WITH THAT, THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE, UH, GO BACK TO YOU CHAIR.
UH, AND JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR ME IN TERMS OF THE CALENDAR, THE, UH, THE MEETING ON THE 20TH, IT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER.
IT'S JUST, JUST WE, WE PUT IT ON THERE TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY AND TO GIVE, UH, COMMISSIONERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THURSDAY IF THERE ISN'T, YOU KNOW, ARE ANY AT THAT POINT? UH, CORRECT, YES.
AND WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS EVERY CPC MEETING AS THIS PROJECT IS ON, WE'RE GONNA BE ON THAT JUST TO ALLOW THE POSSIBILITY FOR US TO SPEAK, UH, TO YOU ALL.
BUT IF NOT NEEDED, UH, THEN WE WON'T HAVE TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT IT'S, WE'RE GONNA BE ON ALL OF THOSE, UM, MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD UNTIL THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNCIL.
AND, UH, IT, IT IS A LARGE DOCUMENT.
UH, MANY OF US HAVE, HAVE PRINTED IT OUT, STILL WORKING THROUGH IT COMMISSIONERS, UH, AND THERE IS STILL TIME.
WE, WE STILL HAVE, IN FACT, WEEKS BEFORE, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF A GLOBAL VOTE TO, UH, TO TAKE ON THIS ISSUE.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER LER IS ONLINE, JOINED US AT 9:05 AM ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, JUST, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UH, THE PLAN IS TO, UH, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TWO GENTLEMEN HERE, IF NOT, THEN WE'LL GO TO OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS AND AFTER OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS, UH, WE'LL DISCUSS, UH, THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE THAT WE TRIED TO GET CONSENSUS AS WELL AS THE, THE NEW LANGUAGE THAT WAS EMAILED OUT FROM SOME OF US LAST NIGHT.
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DID YOU RECEIVE THAT? YES.[PUBLIC TESTIMONY]
GENTLEMEN, WE'RE READY TO TAKE, UH, INPUT FROM YOU.UM, LET ME STATE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES.
WE ARE GONNA GO WITH ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER.
I WILL PLEASE ASK YOU TO, UH, BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND TO ADDRESS ALL YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR.
PLEASE MAKE SURE NOT TO NAME ANY PLAN COMMISSIONER BY NAME.
WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING.
STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE, UH, IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, FOLKS, SO IF YOU WANNA JUST COME ON DOWN, WE'RE READY TO TAKE INPUT.
YOUR LITTLE TAG JUST FELL, SIR, IF YOU WANT IT.
ZARA, 1003 VALENCIA, DALLAS, FORWARD.
THE NEW VERSION OF FORWARD DALLAS DROPPED ON US LIKE A BOMB.
WITH THAT, ANY PUBLIC INPUT IS ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO DESTROY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE NOW INCLUDES TINY HOMES INSTEAD OF ADUS.
SO ANYONE WITH A GARDEN HOSE, EXTENSION CORD AND COMPOST TOILET CAN PUT A MOBILE HOME IN THEIR LOT.
COTT COURTS A SLICK NAME FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON A SINGLE LOT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWN HOMES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, MULTIPLEX, MULTI-FAMILY WITH, THROUGH THE 10 ATTACHED UNITS, PROPERTY TAXES WILL INCREASE DUE TO INCREASED DENSITY FOR YEARS.
DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE CLEARLY STATED THEY WANT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS PROTECTED.
ALL OF THESE LAND USES ARE UNACCEPTABLE.
THE SOLUTION IS EASY IN OUR ZONE.
DISTRICTS, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AS THE ONLY PRIMARY USE, ONLY ONE UTILITY SERVICE ALLOWED.
ALL OTHER LAND USES IN OUR ZONE DISTRICTS ARE CLASSIFIED AS SECONDARY USES ONLY.
TONY, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS NEW DRAFT IS ACTUALLY A STRONG COMPROMISE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING THE DESIGN STANDARDS, CONTEXT, LANGUAGE, AND LOCATIONAL STRATEGIES.
WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT HERE IS THAT WE ARE CREATING AN INCLUSIVE CITY, ONE THAT HAS A VISION, UH, WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SUCCEED.
HERE, CAN START A HOME, CAN AGE IN PLACE, AND OUR YOUNG ADULTS AND STUDENTS CAN PROSPER.
WE HAVE SEVERAL OF OUR MEMBERS HERE TODAY IN OUR AUDIENCE.
THIS IS EQUALLY A FAIR HOUSING ISSUE, INCLUDING, UH, THAT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS MUST ACCOMMODATE MORE HOUSING, HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS MUST ALLOW MORE HOUSING.
WE'VE ONLY SEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PUT INTO OUR SOUTHERN SECTOR.
THAT'S A RESULT OF OUR SEGREGATION FORWARD.
AND THEN THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS STUCK IN THE MIDDLE THAT NEED MORE POLICY SOLUTIONS THAT WILL COME ALONG AFTER FORWARD DALLAS IS PUT INTO PLACE.
BUT THIS IS A VISIONARY DOCUMENT, UH, ONE THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE UPDATED SINCE 2006.
WE WANT THAT VISION TO BE ONE THAT IS INCLUSIVE, THAT'S FAIR TO EVERYBODY, AND ALLOWS US ALL TO PROSPER.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO HELP MOVE THIS PLAN FORWARD.
CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? AND MY ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD IS 1500 PECOS STREET, UNIT FOUR, DALLAS, TEXAS.
DIANE BIRDWELL, 57 0 5 WICK AND DALLAS.
YOU'VE SEEN ME AT FOUR MEETINGS.
SO I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE POSITIVE COMMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT I'VE SEEN.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT'LL BE IMPACTED BY THIS ARE ACTUALLY THOSE IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.
THE ONES WHO WILL BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED WILL BE THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS OF, UH, CAS VIEW, BUCKNER TERRACE, PARKDALE, PECAN HEIGHTS, DOLPHIN HEIGHTS.
UH, IT WILL NOT REALLY IMPACT LAKEWOOD VERY MUCH, BUT IT, AND IT DEFINITELY WON'T IMPACT PRESIDENT HOLLOW, BUT WHAT IT'S GONNA DO IS NEGATIVELY IMPACT US JAMMING MORE PEOPLE INTO A CITY, INTO THE SAME AREA WHERE WE HAVE NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES RIGHT NOW FOR GARBAGE COLLECTION, POWER GRID COPS, AND FIRE AND AMBULANCE.
AND I WORE THIS BECAUSE I'M ON THE VETERANS COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND I REPRESENT D SEVEN AND I REMEMBER THAT I REPRESENT THE CITIZENS AND THE VETERANS.
I DON'T REPRESENT BUSINESS INTERESTS.
AND I WANT Y'ALL TO REMEMBER THAT.
AND REMEMBER THE PERSON WHO APPOINTED Y'ALL.
BECAUSE WHEN THE NEXT THREE ELECTIONS COME UP, AS THE CITY COUNCIL COMES UP FOR ELECTION, WE ARE GOING TO REMEMBER HOW THIS COMMISSION VOTED ON EVERYTHING.
AND WE'RE GONNA REMEMBER YOUR APPOINTED, Y'ALL.
RAVEN DALE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
SO I LIVE OVER IN PERTH TERRACE.
UM, AND I GET THIS WHOLE DENSITY THING, BUT IT'S ALL, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MATH FITTING MORE PEOPLE IN, BUT THE MATH DOESN'T WORK.
KARTH TERRACE, WE'VE RECENTLY HAD SOME NEW DUPLEXES GO IN.
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UH, THEY'RE SELLING FOR 900 ASIDE, SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT 900 ASIDE ON A DUPLEX.UH, AS FAR AS A PLEX GOES, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE 60 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
ABOUT 18 OF THAT IS A DRIVEWAY, AT LEAST 42 FEET LEFT.
STANDARD PARKING SPACE, 18 FEET BY NINE.
SO YOU'RE GETTING TWO CARS THERE.
IF YOU'VE GOT A NINE PLEX, YOU'VE GOT TWO CARS PER PLACE.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER 16 CARS GONNA PARK? SO ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA PARK ON BOTH SIDES, MY STREET IS 26 FEET WIDE.
I'VE GOT AN EIGHT FOOT CAR ON ONE SIDE, EIGHT FOOT CAR ON THE OTHER.
SO ARE MY, IS MY STREET GONNA BECOME ONE WAY? HOW IS SANITATION GONNA PICK UP THE GARBAGE? ALREADY THEY HAVE TO BEEP TO GET PEOPLE TO MOVE THEIR CAR.
LOVEY HAWKINS, 1824 ALTADENA LANE, DISTRICT EIGHT.
MY MAJOR CONCERN IS SINCE THIS LAST SUMMER WHEN WE STARTED WORKING WITH FORWOOD DALLAS, WE WERE TOLD THEN AS WE WORKED WITH FORWARD DALLAS, THAT THE INPUT THAT THE COMMUNITY GAVE TO FORWARD DALLAS WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE GIVEN TO THE ZONING COMMISSION.
WHENEVER ANYBODY CAME UP FOR A PERMIT OR ANYTHING, THE ZONING COMMISSION WOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAD SAID THROUGH FORWARD DALLAS.
I KNOW THAT FORWARD DALLAS IS MERELY A GUIDELINE, BUT IT IS OUR HOPE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WE ARE HAVING ALL OF THESE MEETING GIVEN OUR INPUT, THAT THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS WILL PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING NOW, BECAUSE WE ARE TIRED OF EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES UP.
WE'RE THE LAST TO FIND OUT THAT SOME COMPANY THANK YOU, MA'AM.
UM, ADAM LAMONT, UH, 9 4 3 2 AMBERTON PARKWAY.
UM, BEEN DOWN HERE BEFORE, UM, BE DOWN HERE AGAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO TRY TO MAKE DALLAS A A BETTER AND MORE AFFORDABLE, UH, CITY.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IT'S ALWAYS EASY TO SAY NO.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE, THE CLEAR ANSWER WITH FOR DALLAS, UH, IS YES, UH, THERE ARE QUITE SOME LOUD VOICES IN THE ROOM FIGHTING BACK AGAINST ANY SORT OF CHANGES HAPPENING TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, WHEN WE ACTUALLY DO SURVEYS OF DALLAS REV RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE WAS AN ACTUAL SURVEY DONE A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, THERE WAS CLEAR MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR THOSE THINGS.
SO I THINK THAT'S SUPER, SUPER IMPORTANT, IS NOT JUST TO LISTEN TO THE LOUDEST VOICES IN THE ROOM, BUT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND, UM, WHERE THE PEOPLE OF OF DALLAS ARE.
UM, YOU ALL KNOW THAT FOR DALLAS WOULDN'T ALLOW ANY OF THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN BY WRIGHT.
UM, IT'LL BE GREAT TO WORK OUT EXACTLY HOW WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THESE CHANGES DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE WHAT THEY DID IN ARLINGTON VIRGINIA, LIMIT THE NUMBER IN THE FIRST, UH, FEW YEARS, RIGHT? TO SEE WHERE THESE CHANGES ARE ARE HAPPENING, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME GEOGRAPHIC, UM, DESIGNATIONS ON IT TOO.
UM, APPRECIATE YOU AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I LIVE AT 1 5 7 4 6 COVID CIRCLE, UH, OF COURSE DALLAS.
UM, I, I DO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF FORWARD DALLAS.
I, I THINK PLANNING IS ESSENTIAL.
UH, BUT THE CURRENT VERSION WOULD IRREPARABLY HARM DALLAS'S GREATEST ONE OF DALLAS'S GREATEST ASSETS, ITS NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, I'M ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE REQUIRE FOR DALLAS TO BE AMENDED TO ELIMINATE THE LAND USES THAT ALLOW FOR NEW DUPLEXES, ADUS, OR ANY MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, COTTAGE COURTS, UH, AND PLEASE REINSTITUTE A PLACE TYPE SOLELY DEDICATED TO TRADITIONAL FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, I'M ASKING HERE THAT YOU REALLY PROTECT THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO MAKE DALLAS THEIR HOME FOR 10, 20, 30 MORE YEARS AND MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOMES, WE ASSUMED THE UNDERLYING ZONING AND CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NOT CHANGE THE NOTION THAT INCREASED DENSITY WILL HELP AFFORDABILITY IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
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GOAD.I'M STILL THE PROUDEST AND MOST UNAPOLOGETIC COUNCIL, DISTRICT 14 RESIDENT YOU'LL EVER MEET.
AND UNFORTUNATELY STILL A MILLENNIAL.
THE LACK OF ACTUAL REPRESENTATION BY SOME OF YOU IS THE SINGLE MOST DISRESPECTFUL EXERCISE OF PUBLIC PROCESS I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.
I'M TIRED OF BEING TOLD WE'RE MISINFORMED.
THERE'S NOTHING MISINFORMING ABOUT SEEING MULTIPLEX AS PRIMARY USE IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
OUR ASK HAS BEEN PAINFULLY SIMPLE THIS WHOLE TIME.
REMOVE MULTIPLEX FROM COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO FIGHT IT.
TRUST ME, WE WOULD RATHER BE FIGHTING FOR OUR STREETS, OUR SCHOOLS, OUR LIBRARIES, OUR PARKS.
BUT IF YOU KEEP THIS IN, WE WILL KEEP FIGHTING IT.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, IF MULTIPLEXES AREN'T REMOVED FROM COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, WE WILL ORGANIZE, WE WILL RAISE MONEY, WE WILL RUN OUR OWN COUNCIL CANDIDATES IN 25, AND WE WILL KEEP FIGHTING BACK.
MY NAME IS ROSEANNE MASSINO MILLS.
I LIVE AT 6 9 0 6 CAS LOMA AVENUE.
I'M A MEMBER OR A RESIDENT IN DISTRICT 14.
I HAVE SUBMITTED MY DETAILED COMMENTS TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AND I ASK THAT THOSE COMMENTS BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD OF THIS PROCEEDING.
I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE FOLLOWING.
FIRST, RETAINING MULTIPLEX IS A PRIMARY USE AND NOT REVISING IT AS A SECONDARY USE, RETAINING THE MULTIPLEX DEFINITION AS NINE TO FEWER UNITS AND NOT REVISING IT DOWN TO EIGHT OR FEWER.
UM, INCLUDING IN SHOEHORNING, THE UNDEFINED COTTAGE COURT AND THE UNDEFINED TINY HOUSE INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DEFINITION.
AND THERE IS MORE COMMENTARY IN MY, UH, NOTES THAT I HAVE SUBMITTED TO YOU.
SO TO CONTINUE, UM, AS OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID, MULTIPLEX IS A PRIMARY USE UNSUPPORTABLE BY CITY SERVICES.
I FIND THAT, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THE PLAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENTER INTO NSOS AND CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY, PROFOUNDLY BACKWARD AND ELITIST.
I LIVE AT 2210 WEST 10TH, UM, DALLAS.
I WAS ON THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF HERITAGE OF CLIFF, THE OLE CLIFF CONSERVATION LEAGUE.
I JUST WANNA SAY BRIEFLY THAT, UM, THIS IS NOT GONNA CURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY, THEY, 26% OF OF HOMES IN FORT WORTH ARE OWNED BY CORPORATIONS.
THERE ARE NO MORE FIX OR UPPERS FOR PEOPLE TO ACQUIRE.
UM, IT'S HOME VERSUS HOME BUYER VERSUS CORPORATION.
NOW THEY TEXT US CONSTANTLY PRETENDING THEY'RE OUR FRIENDS.
HEY, MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SELL? MY NAME IS NOT MIKE.
UM, THE, UH, FIRST TIME HOMEOWNERS HAVE LARGE STUDENT DEBT.
IF YOU MAKE THE LAND ABLE TO DO MORE, THE LAND IS GONNA BE WORTH MORE AND THE LAND IS GONNA BE TAXED MORE.
AND THOSE KIND OF TAXES FOR LAND VALUE ARE NOT ABLE TO BE APPEALED AT THE AT D AD.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, MAKE CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND SHORT DISTRICTS EASIER TO ACQUIRE, LOWER THE PERCENTAGES SO THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN PROTECT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE ARE BEING DEMONIZED FOR BUYING A HOUSE 10, 20, 30 YEARS AGO THAT NOBODY WANTED FIXING IT UP, MAKING A NEIGHBORHOOD DESIRABLE, AND NOW YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO DEVELOPERS.
AND I JUST REALLY THINK THAT'S WRONG.
I RESIDE AT 28 31 WHITEWOOD IN DISTRICT THREE.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION AND WE FULLY SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY PLACE TYPE.
THERE'S A VACANT LOT NEXT TO MY HOME.
I WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM WITH A DUPLEX QUADPLEX.
WHAT I AM TIRED OF IS WATCHING PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE ME DOWN LAYING ON SIDEWALKS FOR HOMES.
OUR CITY CANNOT CONTINUE LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN WILL HELP MOVE US FORWARD.
UH, WHILE I FULLY SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PORTION OF FORWARD DALLAS, I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT, UH, THE PLANNING DIDN'T ACTUALLY INVOLVE SCIENCE.
THAT, UH, IT WAS SEEMINGLY DONE IN PLANNING AND THEY DIDN'T GO TO TRANSPORTATION AND THAT THEY DIDN'T GO TO DWU.
SO THAT SCIENCE IS OUT THERE, AND I BEG OF YOU TO CONSIDER THE SCIENCE.
WHAT WOULD A 5% REDUCTION IN PERMEABLE LAND DUE TO OUR OVERTAXED STORM WATER SYSTEM IN EAST DALLAS? WE ALREADY CAN'T SUSTAIN THE STORM WATER WE GET.
OKAY, WHAT WOULD A 10% DO NOW WHEN WE CONSIDER THAT 25% OF OUR HOMES ARE OWNED, OWNED BY CORPORATIONS, WHAT WOULD A 25% REDUCTION OF PERMEABLE LAND LOOK LIKE IN EAST DALLAS? IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FLOODING.
DID YOU KNOW THE SPILLWAY IN WHITE ROCK LAKE IS ONLY AT 75% CAPACITY FOR WHAT IS RECOMMENDED
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FOR FLOODING.WHY DIDN'T THEY GO TO TRAFFIC? WE HAVE THOROUGHFARE THAT ARE LOCKED UP INTO EAST DALLAS BECAUSE OF THE LAKE.
ASK TRAFFIC IF WE INCREASE 10%.
WHAT IS THAT GONNA DO? THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
WHAT GRIDLOCK MORNING ARE WE GONNA CAUSE? THANK YOU.
I LIVE AT 61 45 PARKDALE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 7.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE I STAND ON THIS.
UM, I'M JUST DISCOURAGED TO LEARN HOW THIS BODY, UM, HAS NOT REALLY BEEN LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ALSO WHO I OPENLY SUPPORTED AND, UM, AND ASSISTED WITH, UH, WITH LIFTING INTO OFFICE OR NOT LISTENING TO OUR RESIDENTS.
I WILL SPEND EVERY AVAILABLE WORKING MOMENT OF MY LIFE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD WORKING TO DISMANTLE THIS UNBALANCED VISION THAT ONLY BENEFITS SPECIAL INTEREST AND NOT THE VOICES OF THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY WHO LIVE, WORK, PLAY, AND PAY TAXES HERE.
THE, I THINK THE MICROPHONE GOT TURNED OFF THERE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, MA'AM.
NO, YOU DON'T WANNA MISS THIS.
DALLAS VIOLATES THE APPROVED 2033 DALLAS HOUSING PLAN, WHICH STATES INCREASED PRESERVATION TO IMPROVING HOUSING AFFORDABILITY FOR A BROAD MIXED USE OF MIXED INCOME IN ALL CITIES.
DALLAS COMPLETELY IGNORES THIS AND MAKES, MAKES AFFORDABILITY WORSE AND BREAKS THE DALLAS POLICY FORWARD.
DALLAS PROMOTES DEMOLITION AND REDEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR MOST AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE IT PROMOTES MULTIFAMILY ON SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
COMPETITION FOR LOTS WILL SOAR, AND I'M ALREADY GOT FOUR APPLICATIONS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO CHANGE SINGLE FAMILY TO DUPLEX, GENTRIFICATION, REDEVELOPMENT AND INCREASING THE TAX BURDEN, WHICH HAS HAPPENED WILL PUSH MORE AND MORE OWNERS OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
PLANNERS ADMITTED FORWARD DALLAS DOESN'T ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
NOW THEY MUST ADMIT IT ENCOURAGES BULLDOZING OUR MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN THANK YOU FOR NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTIONS BY PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, MY NAME IS ANGELA MEDRANO, 2331 DOUGLAS AVENUE IN THE OAK LAWN AREA.
UM, I'M HERE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS WRITTEN DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ANYMORE.
UM, THE TRUST THAT Y'ALL ASK US FOR, YOU ASK FOR OUR TRUST, AND THEN YOU CONTINUALLY DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, MR. AGU PRESENTED ALL THESE THINGS THAT COULD BE CHANGED.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD TAKE THESE DOTS OUT AND THEN WE GET A NEW DRAFT WITH SO MANY CHANGES, AND THEN CODE REFORM IS COMING RIGHT? A YEAR AGO WHEN WE WERE HERE FIGHTING ST.
THAT THAT GOT PASSED THAT $2 MILLION TO REWRITE THE CODE.
SO THAT'S GONNA COME LIKE RIGHT AFTER THIS, RIGHT? SO EVERYTHING YOU DO ON HERE, Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE THE CODE REWRITTEN, REWRITTEN TO SUPPORT EXACTLY WHAT THE DEVELOPERS WANT AND THE GREED AND THE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE.
I LIVE AT 1 1 1 8 ELMWOOD BOULEVARD.
AND MY OPINIONS ON FORWARD DALLAS COME FROM AN EQUITY LENS.
THERE'S ONE THING THAT FORWARD DALLAS HAS GOTTEN ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, WHICH IS REMOVING INDUSTRIAL USES AND THE INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES IN WEST DALLAS
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PY AND FLORAL FARMS. UM, OUR COALITION WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO GET THOSE WINS IN THIS PLAN.AND SO WE WANNA SEE THE PLAN MOVE FORWARD.
BUT I DO THINK THERE'S ONE THING THAT THE PLAN IS GETTING WRONG FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT, WHICH IS PUTTING EXPENSIVE UGLY MULTIPLEXES IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CURRENTLY HAVE PROPERTIES VALUED BETWEEN A HUNDRED GRAND OR THREE TO 300 GRAND.
THERE ARE STILL THOSE AFFORDABLE WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS OUT THERE.
AND THIS, THESE ARE PICTURES FROM OAK CLIFF WHERE I LIVE.
YOU HAVE A NINE PLEX HERE THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TOWERING OVER IT.
THAT HOUSE USED TO HAVE A DEC HEAD VALUE IN THE HUNDRED GRANDS.
NOW IT'S GOING UP TO OVER 300 GRAND AND IT'S A $1.66 MILLION PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.
WE HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT HERE, WHERE A PROPERTY USED TO BE IN THE $200,000 RANGE.
MORNING, DOLORES SOROKA, 48 22 SWISS FORWARD.
DALLAS IS OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSED BECAUSE IT VIOLATES DALLAS HOUSING POLICY.
THIS NEW VERSION OF FORWARD DALLAS LACKS COMMUNITY INPUT.
IT INFLUENCES ZONING DECISIONS.
IT IGNORES OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT CANNOT IMPOSE CONTEXT SENSITIVITY BY TEXAS LAW AND IT DOESN'T PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY OR ZONE DISTRICTS.
FORWARD DALLAS PROMOTES LUXURY HOUSING AND NEW, AND NOW OFFERS BRAND NEW CONCEPTS OF COTTAGE COURT AND TINY HOMES, WHICH WERE NEVER DISCUSSED.
AND NO ONE REQUESTED FORWARD DALLAS ALSO ENCOURAGES BULLDOZING EXISTING HOMES, WHICH IS OUR MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
HOUSING POLICY IS DELIBERATELY PUTTING AFFORDABILITY AND HOMEOWNER PROTECTION ON A BACK BURNER, I GUESS TO DIE THERE.
CPC, YOU MUST FIX THIS DRAFT TO INCLUDE WHAT WE AND THE YIMBYS DEMAND QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PROTECTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
DO NOT VOTE TO KICK AFFORDABILITY ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD IN ORDER TO PROMOTE DEREGULATION AND BIG BUSINESS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AT THE SACRIFICE OF EXISTING HOMEOWNERS.
THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DIGEST THIS NEW DOCUMENT.
UH, FORWARD DALLAS STATES THAT THE URBAN DALLAS URBAN HEAT INDEX IS THE SECOND HIGHEST IN THE NATION.
CURIOUSLY, THE MAPS IN FORWARD DALLAS SHOW THAT THE LOWEST HEAT INDEXES ARE IN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
THE FORMER DALLAS LAND AND LOAN, NOW KNOWN AS THE BISHOP ARTS DISTRICT, USED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT AREA HAS BEEN UP ZONED AND THE OLD HOUSING STOCK IS BEING REPLACED WITH GREATER DENSITY APARTMENTS AND CONDOS.
GREATER DENSITY IS NOT CONTRIBUTING TO GREATER AFFORDABILITY.
IN ADDITION, THAT AREA NOW HAS ONE OF THE GREATEST HEAT INDEXES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE CAN HEAR GAGGLES OF REQUESTS FROM INAPPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE QUOTE FORWARD DALLAS STATES, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SERVES MAINLY AS A GUIDE FOR ZONING REQUESTS FORWARD.
DALLAS DEFINES COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AS LARGELY SINGLE FAMILY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.
MY NAME IS PAM YODER AND I AM AT 76 21 EL SIDOR DRIVE IN DISTRICT 11.
I'M REPRESENTING NOT ONLY MYSELF, BUT MY MOTHER WHO ALSO LIVES IN THAT SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT SHE IS IN DISTRICT 12.
UM, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY I BOUGHT MY HOUSE 25 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT HAD BEAUTIFUL TREES AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND I LOVE WHERE I LIVE AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO CHANGE.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER, UH, FOLKS? OKAY.
COMMISSION QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? OH, WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE.
PARDON ME? COMMISSIONER? UM, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST.
GEORGE, WHO'S FIRST ON OUR LIST, SIR? NO, SIR.
FOLKS, IF YOU, AT SOME POINT TODAY, IF YOU COULD JUST COME DOWN AND FILL OUT ONE OF THOSE LITTLE
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YELLOW CARDS SO WE CAN HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US.PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON AND WORKING.
I LIVE AT 28 21 BEDFORD STREET IN WEST.
MRS. ROS, MAKE SURE YOU, YOU TOGGLE YOUR MIC ON.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN NOW.
I LIVE AT 28 21 BECKFORD STREET IN WEST DALLAS.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF FORWARD DALLAS.
I WANNA THANK PUD FOR LISTENING TO US AND TAKING SERIOUSLY THE INSIGHT FROM RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN EJ COMMUNITIES.
I AM GRATEFUL THAT THIS NEW DRAFT PROMINENTLY CALLS OUT THE REDUCTION OF INDUSTRIAL PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES AS A GOAL TO MEET THAT GOAL.
RESIDENTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE SINGLETON CORRIDOR IN WEST DALLAS PROPOSE A FLEX COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE BUFFER ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRAIN TRACKS.
THE REASON BEING THAT IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK PLACE TYPE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE LIKE COMMUNITY, MIXED USE AS A REFERENCE, THERE ARE HOMES LOCATED LESS THAN 200 FEET FROM INDUSTRY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ALSO WANNA FLAG THAT COMMUNITY MIXED USE LISTS LIKE INDUSTRIAL AS A POTENTIAL LAND USE.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IF THE MAJORITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO BE DESIGNATED COMMUNITY MIXED USE.
WE'D RATHER NOT HAVE ANY INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY ISSUES NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TO EVERYONE WHO'S WORKED ON WARD DALLAS, UH, FOR MA AND FOR MAKING EJ A PRIORITY IN THIS PROCESS.
THE PLAN SHOWS THAT WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR MORE DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS AND GETTING CLOSER TO DALLAS BECOMING A SAFER, MORE WALKABLE CITY.
I THINK WE HAVE ONE OTHER SPEAKER ON LINE.
MS. CHAMPION, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES OKAY.
COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE, SIR.
MS. HAWKINS, YOU HAD STATED THAT YOU LIVE IN OAK CLIFF AND THAT, UH, YOU GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF AN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS, UH, NEXT TO A NINE PLEX.
AND YOU, AND YOU STATED THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY TAXES ON OR THE VALUE OF THAT HOME, SINGLE FAMILY HOME WENT UP FROM 100,000 TO 300,000.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YOU, YOU WERE ABOUT TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF, OF A SECOND HOME, BUT THE TIME CONSTRAINT, UH, DIDN'T ALLOW YOU TO DO SO.
AND I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO GIVE THAT SECOND EXAMPLE.
WILL YOU, YOU MICROPHONE THE MICROPHONE? I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THE SLIDE BACK UP ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT IT WAS A HOME THAT HAD BEEN HISTORICALLY IN THE 200 TO $300,000 RANGE.
AND THEY BUILT, UH, LUXURY CONDOS NEXT TO IT.
AND THERE ARE I THINK 10 UNITS THAT ARE 600.
SO IT'S LIKE A 3 MILLION PLUS PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT DOOR.
NOW THIS HOUSE IS OVER 880,000 IN 2023.
I LOOKED UP 2024 AND IT'S OVER 1 MILLION VALUED.
SO THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GONNA PRICE PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE PROPERTY TAXES.
AND I'M REALLY SCARED OF THAT IF IT'S OPENED UP TO ANYTHING BEYOND 80 OR DUPLEXES.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR ADAM LAMONT TOO, PLEASE.
HE, HE, HE, UH, HE STATED THAT THE, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS SUPPORT A PROPOSITION, BUT I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT THE PROPOSITION THAT THEY SUPPORT, BUT
I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, KNOW WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THAT.
I BELIEVE HE WAS REFERRING TO THE COMMUNITY RESIDENT INPUT SURVEYS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS PUT OUT IN RECENT YEARS.
UH, WE CAN FIND THOSE LINKS AND SEND THEM TO YOU ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE IN DALLAS ACTUALLY HAVING A PREFERENCE FOR A DIVERSE OPTION OF HOUSING TYPES.
SO THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS SAYING, THE MAJORITY SUPPORTS.
THANKS FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION.
COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS?
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I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.UM, FORGIVE ME, I, THE LADY WHO, UH, STATED THAT SHE LIVES ON A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR RECENT APPLICATIONS FOR DUPLEX HOMES.
MS. ROBERTS? YEAH, MS. ROBERTS.
I AM SORRY YOU'RE HAVING TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THESE STAIRS.
THANK YOU KAREN FOR, FOR COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN AGAIN.
UH, SO YOU, YOU INDICATE THAT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR RECENT APPLICATIONS WHERE, UH, THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO REZONE, UH, HOME LOTS THAT ARE, ARE IN OUR ZONE COMMUNITY TO, UH, DUPLEX.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ZONED WITH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS NOT PROTECTED.
BY THIS PLAN BY BEFORE DALLAS.
AND I KNOW ON FRIDAY I GOT NOTICES FROM, I GET THE CITY NOTICES THERE ARE, THERE IS ONE DEVEL, ONE PERSON THAT HAS THREE RESIDENT THREE HOUSES ON ONE STREET THAT HE WANTS TO TURN INTO DUPLEXES.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, EACH LOT IS ZONED AS IT WAS AT THE TIME THAT WE PASSED THE PD IN 1981.
A HUNDRED PERCENT BY ALL COUNCIL AND PLAN COMMISSION.
THE BASE, THE BASE ZONING OF THE PD IS RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE, AND, AND WHAT, AND YOU CAN, IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOUR HOUSE, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS A DUPLEX, YOU CAN REBUILD IT.
BUT IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, IT HAS TO COME BACK, SINGLE FAMILY.
AND WHAT WE'RE HAVING IS OUR LITTLE HAS SHE REFERENCED OUR LITTLE $200,000 NOW HOUSES WHO'D HAVE THOUGHT ARE BEING TORN DOWN AND TURNED INTO OVER A MILLION DOLLAR DUPLEXES.
AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT THIS GUY WANTS TO DO.
I HAVEN'T MET WITH HIM YET AND THIS IS WHERE OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GOING.
THANK YOU FOR EXPANDING ON THAT.
THANK I APPRECIATE THAT, KAREN.
UM, WHAT ARE THE SIZE LOTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? R SEVEN FIVE.
A MINIMUM OF 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
DID, ARE THEY MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT? UH, NO.
THE, THE LOTS ARE R SEVEN FIVE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, THERE ARE A FEW EXCEPTIONS.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LITTLE APARTMENTS, ET CETERA.
THERE'S SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, BUT THE LOTS ARE R 75.
AND I DID NOTICE ON THE APPLICATION THAT I READ THAT, THAT DID SAY R 75.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? IS IT TO LIKE, TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? I'M SORRY, MA'AM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH COMMISSIONERS.
I JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE ANYONE WHO DID NOT SPEAK IS WELCOME TO SEND WRITTEN COMMENTS AND TO ALL OF US AT ANY TIME AND WE DO RECEIVE THOSE.
AND WE DO READ THEM SLOWLY, BUT WE DO IT
UH, IF ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS, LET'S TAKE A BREAK HERE.
UH, LET'S BE BACK AT, UH, 10 15.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER, SO WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
OH, THERE IS COMMISSIONER LER.
IT IS 10:26 AM MY APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY.
UH, WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
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VICE CHAIR RUBIN? YES.I HAVE A MOTION AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN ORDER TO, UM, START CONSIDERATION OF THE DOCUMENT AND TO START AMENDING IT AS A CITY PLAN COMMISSION, THAT WE FIRST NEED TO MAKE A GENERAL MOTION ON FORWARD DALLAS, UM, 2.0 DRAFT NUMBER FOUR, AT WHICH POINT WE WILL BE ABLE TO START AS A BODY, UM, INTRODUCING AMENDMENTS TO THE DOCUMENT.
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SO WITH THAT, AND I'M THEN I DO HAVE SOME BRIEF COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND.UM, SO IN THE MATTER OF OUR, UM, FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN UPDATE, UM, FOR ALSO KNOWN AS FORWARD DALLAS 2.0, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, RECOMMEND THE DOCUMENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARBERT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WILL NOT TAKE A FINAL VOTE ON THIS TODAY, BUT WE JUST NEED THIS, THIS, SO WE CAN START AMENDING IT.
AND CONSIDERING THE DOCUMENT, I I THOUGHT WE'D HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THOSE.
SETH SAW COMMISSIONER HANIN FIRST.
WELL, I THINK I, COULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK AS IT'S PHRASED, IT'S AS IF WE ARE MOVING THIS FORWARD.
NOT THAT WE'RE, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT THE INTENT, BUT THE LANGUAGE AS I HEARD IT, AS WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS DOCUMENT TO MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
NOT THAT OPENING THE DISCUSSION FOR CONSIDERATION OF A FUTURE RECOMMENDATION.
AND PERHAPS MR. MOORE MIGHT WEIGH IN ON THE APP APPROPRIATE FORM, PLEASE.
SO COMMISSIONER, WE NEED A MOTION ON THE FLOOR IN ORDER FOR THE BODY TO DEBATE IT.
SO IT COULD BE THE, IT COULD TAKE THE FORM OF A MOTION TO APPROVE OR A MOTION TO DENY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE INTENT IS TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TODAY AND THEN TO HOLD TO A DATE CERTAIN, IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ON THE FLOOR AND THEN AMENDMENTS TO THAT MOTION TO THE UNDERLYING DOCUMENT.
AND THEN A MOTION TO HOLD COULD BE MADE BECAUSE THAT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE MAIN MOTION.
AND A MO ANY AMENDMENTS THAT MOTION IF APPROVED, WOULD, UH, HOLD THAT, HOLD THE DOCUMENT OR HOLD FORWARD DOUBT INTO THAT DAY CERTAIN.
SO, MR. MOORE, A, A, A MOTION, THE MOTION THAT WAS ALREADY READ INTO THE RECORD, UH, DOES NOT PREVENT OTHER CHANGES FROM HAPPENING WHEN WE TAKE THIS BACK UP, UH, AT A HEARING IN JULY.
IT WOULD JUST BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN MOTION AS MADE BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? COULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION? YES.
AND I'LL ALSO SPEAK TO MY INTENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I NEED TO MAKE, MAKE THIS MOTION IN, IN THIS WAY IN ORDER FOR THE BODY TO START ACTUALLY AMENDING THE LANGUAGE OF THE DOCUMENT.
SO MY MOTION IS, UM, IN THE MATTER OF THE FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VERSION 2.0 TO RECOMMEND THE DOCUMENT, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION TO COUNSEL.
AND I CAN ADD IN SUBJECT TO ANY CHANGES MADE BY THE BODY AT THIS HEARING OR A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DOCUMENT.
SO WITH THE AMENDED MOTION AND MR. MOORE, HELP ME IF I'M INCORRECT.
SO WITH THE AMENDED MOTION, IT, IT SHOWS THE INTENT FOR US TO PROVIDE SOME FORM OF FORWARD DALLAS TO BE SENT ON TO CITY COUNCIL AT A DATE LEFT OPEN AFTER WE ARE O OPENING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS BODY TO GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE CHANGES AS WE AND SEE THE COMMUNITY HAS ASKED US TO MAKE.
IS THAT CORRECT, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? IN ORDER TO HAVE DEBATE ON FORWARD DALLAS, WE NEED A MOTION.
THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND NOW ANY, THE FLOOR IS OPEN TO MAKE AMENDMENTS.
UH, YEAH, UH, RIGHT, OF COURSE.
ASSUMING YOU HAVE A SECOND, SO NOW WE CAN DISCUSS, WE CAN DISCUSS FORWARD DALLAS AS IT AS IT IS TODAY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND WE CAN AMEND IT AS NEEDED AS OF TODAY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL GET PROBABLY VERSION FIVE OR SIX BEFORE WE SEND IT ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AFTER WE DEBATE IT AND CHANGE IT.
IS THAT WHAT THE MOTION IS ACTUALLY ASKING US TO DO? I, I WILL DEFER TO STAFF IF THEY WILL, UM, MAKE THE EDIT TO THE DOCUMENT BASED ON THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE ADOPTED TODAY.
BUT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO AMEND IT TODAY AND AT A LATER DATE IF IT IS HELD.
ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. MOORE.
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UH, IS IT, WOULD WE NEED A, A MOTION THEN AFTER WE'RE, WE'RE FINISH DIS FINISHED DISCUSSION, THE, UH, THE CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENT.DO WE THEN NEED A MOTION TO HOLD THE DOCUMENT? YES, SIR.
SO WE CAN COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE, THEN WE'RE DONE.
I I DON'T, I MEAN, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND HIS MOTION.
AND, AND I HAVE A SECOND QUESTION.
IF SOMEONE VOTES TO START APPROVING AMENDMENTS, CAN THAT PERSON LATER ULTIMATELY VOTE AGAINST THE ENTIRE PLAN BEING FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL? YES.
COMMISSIONER TO THE SECOND QUESTION.
IF YOU CAN VOTE, MAKE AMENDMENTS AND VOTE NO ON THE FINAL, UH, WHEN IT COMES UP FOR THE FINAL VOTE.
FOR THE FIRST QUESTION, YOU ARE CORRECT.
IF THE BODY WERE TO ADOPT THE AMENDMENT AS CURRENTLY MADE, IT WOULD BE OVER.
BUT I THINK AS VICE CHAIR RUBIN AND THE CHAIR SUGGESTED, THE INTENT IS TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TODAY AND ULTIMATELY HOLD THE MATTER.
THE INTENT IS NOT TO SEND THE DOCUMENT TO COUNSEL TODAY.
THE INTENT IS TO, TO MAKE THE AMENDMENTS, UH, MANY OF WHICH WE HAVE HEARD FROM, FROM FOLKS, UH, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UH, AND THEN HAVE JULY HAVE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AGAIN AND COME BACK IN JULY AND HOPEFULLY TAKE A GLOBAL VOTE, UM, TO PASS THIS ON TO COUNCIL.
BUT WE NEED A MOTION ON THE FLOOR IN ORDER A MOTION TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS.
COMMISSIONER FORAY, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION THEN? YES, WE DO.
WE'RE WE'RE IN, WE'RE DISCUSSING IT NOW.
'CAUSE IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT COUNTERINTUITIVE.
IF A VOTE ON THE, WE DO NOT NEED TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION TODAY.
IT SIMPLY HAS TO BE MADE SO WE CAN START DISCUSSION AND AMENDMENT OF THE DOCUMENTS AND THEN SOMEONE CAN MOVE LATER IN THE DAY TO HOLD IT, WHICH I ANTICIPATE ONE OF US, IF NOT MYSELF, WILL MAKE THAT MOTION, WHICH I FULLY INTEND TO SUPPORT.
AND THEN WE WILL PICK IT UP AGAIN.
MOST LIKELY AT OUR MEETING IN JULY WHEN WE, AFTER WE HOLD IT, COMMISSIONER HALL.
I, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PAR PARLIAMENTARY LEGAL PROCEDURE THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO, BUT OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS WE HAVE TWEAKED THIS DOCUMENT.
SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE NOW VERSUS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST FEW CONSIDERATE, UH, SESSIONS? WE'VE GIVEN GENERAL SUGGESTIONS TO STAFF ON WAYS TO TWEAK IT.
THIS IS GOING TO BE ACTUAL MODIFICATIONS TO THE DOCUMENT THAT ARE BEING MADE BY A MOTION BY COMMISSIONERS ON THIS BODY TO, FOR EXAMPLE, REPLACE CERTAIN LANGUAGE WITH OTHER LANGUAGE STRIKE PROVISIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE GIVEN IN GENERAL DIRECTIONS ON STAFF AND WE'VE GOTTEN STAFF DRAFTS BEFORE, BUT WITH THIS MOTION, THAT DOCUMENT IS NOW FULLY IN THE BODY'S HANDS TO MODIFY AND ADJUST.
SO AT THIS, IF THIS, THIS IS GONNA GO THROUGH THAT MEANS, UH, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE MAKING CHANGES TO THE EXISTING DOCUMENT OR VOTING ON RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE EXISTING DOCUMENT.
WE, SORRY, LATE THIS IS, I HAD TO OPEN UP MY BUSINESS FOR, UM, WHAT IS THE MOTION? OR COULDN'T IT BE EMAILED TO ME IF IT'S ALREADY OR ANYTHING? YEAH, THE MOTION IS SIMPLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF STARTING DEBATE AND ALLOWING US TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO FORWARD DALLAS IS TO RECOMMEND THE DOCUMENT TO BE SENT TO COUNSEL AFTER WE DO THE UPDATE SUBJECT TO ANY AMENDMENTS THAT WE MAKE TODAY OR AT A FUTURE MEETING.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE OR JUST THE ONES THAT WE THROW OUT TODAY? I THINK ANY MEMBER OF THE BODY IS FREE TO INTRODUCE AMENDMENTS TO THE DOCUMENT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, AND WE, WE WOULD THOUGH, LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WE, WE SPOKE ABOUT THE LAST TIME, WHICH WERE THE CONSENSUS ITEMS THAT INCLUDES THE PLACE TYPES AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE SEVEN OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ON THE POWERPOINT.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'M SORRY, I, I'M CONFUSED.
IT WAS, WE, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A, YOU KNOW, A, A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL REVISION OF FORWARD DALLAS THAT MOST OF US HAVE NOT HAD IN OUR HANDS FOR, FOR TWO WEEKS.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THERE ARE STILL A LOT
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OF JUST FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THIS.I DON'T THINK LIMITING DISCUSSION TO JUST, UH, I I JUST DON'T THINK, I MEAN, PERSONALLY MY PREFERENCE, I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
MY, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE CONTINUE THE SORT OF INPUT THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVING, BEEN GIVEN, BEEN GIVING, I'M SORRY, THE LAST FEW, UM, MEETINGS.
UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW I'M CERTAINLY NOT, I DID NOT COME HERE PREPARED TODAY TO GIVE SPECIFIC TEXTUAL CHANGES ON THE VERY LARGE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, ISSUES THAT I HAVE WITH THIS.
BUT JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE WE'RE NOT LIMITING IT TO THAT.
IT'S JUST THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST HEARING THAT WERE EMAILED OUT.
UH, WE'RE NOT LIMITING TO THAT, BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE MAIN POINTS, UH, THAT I THINK WE HAD NOT GAINED CONSENSUS ON.
AND WHICH IN FACT WE DID, I THINK IN FIVE OF THE EIGHT OR SIX OF THE EIGHT WE HAD CONSENSUS AS A BODY.
UH, OPEN TO DISCUSSION COMES FIRST.
UM, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO, UM, START THIS PROCESS OF, OF GETTING FORWARD DALLAS INTO GOOD SHAPE TO SEND ON CITY COUNCIL, WHICH WON'T BE FINALIZED TODAY, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO SOME REALLY GOOD WORK.
UM, I HAD THE HONOR OF CHAIRING THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE AND I AM REALLY HAPPY THAT OUR FORWARD DALLAS UPDATE IS FINALLY BEFORE THIS BODY, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION AND A VOTE TO BE FORTHCOMING TO PASS THIS ON TO CITY COUNCIL.
THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS THAT'S GONE ON FOR ROUGHLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND THROUGH LOTS OF HARD WORK, EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND SOME VERY HEALTHY AND MUCH NEEDED DIALOGUE WITH SOME VERY MEANINGFUL CHANGES THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE BODY WILL MAKE EITHER TODAY OR AT A FUTURE MEETING, WE'VE ARRIVED AT A GREAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WILL SERVE THE CITY WELL IN ITS FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING EFFORTS.
UM, THIS WAS THE PRODUCT OF EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, 31 CLUB MEETINGS, UM, NINE CPC MEETINGS THUS FAR ADDRESSING THE COMP PLAN OVER 200 IN-PERSON EVENTS AND 70 VIRTUAL EVENTS.
UH, MORE EMAILS,
UM, MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT I'VE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS TALKING ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS AND I COULD SPEND HOURS, UM, TODAY GOING ON ABOUT IT.
BUT TODAY I JUST WANNA FOCUS ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES IN FOR DALLAS THAT WERE THE MOST DIFFICULT AND ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT SECTIONS OF THIS DOCUMENT.
SO THE FIRST, THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE THEME.
UM, ASIDE FROM HISTORICAL LAND USE POLICIES THAT WE'VE SEEN CALLING FOR RACIAL SEGREGATION IN THE CITY, THE BIGGEST LAND USE AND JUSTICE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN DALLAS HISTORY IS ALLOWING INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL USES TO BE LOCATED FAR TOO CLOSE TO AREAS WHERE OUR BLACK AND BROWN CITIZENS PREDOMINANTLY LIVE.
UM, THE PREVIOUS DRAFT OF FORWARD DALLAS DIDN'T DO ENOUGH VERSION OF FORWARD DALLAS FROM 2006, DIDN'T DO ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THIS.
AND THE VERSION THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS A MASSIVE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, IT REALLY THOUGHTFULLY ADDRESSES, UM, AREAS LIKE WEST DALLAS JOPPA AND FOR FARMS AND CALLS FOR TARGETED ZONING INTERVENTIONS IN THOSE AREAS.
AND ALSO ADDRESSES SOME OF THE INCREASING TENSIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN BETWEEN WAREHOUSE LOGISTICS USES AND EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, I WILL GET TO THANK YOUS AT THE END, BUT UM, REALLY WANNA APPRECIATE ALL THE GREAT, UM, INPUT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM, UM, SEVERAL PEOPLE INCLUDING COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WHO WAS MY CLUB VICE CHAIR, UM, CITY STAFF, AND THE GROUP OF ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES WHO REGULARLY MET WITH CITY STAFF TO ADDRESS THIS PIECE.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS IS THE HOUSING CHOICE AND ACCESS AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
UM, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN BY AND FAR THE MOST, UM, CONTROVERSIAL PIECE OF THIS, BUT ALSO PROBABLY UP THERE, UM, AS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
SO WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUBSTANTIAL HOUSING SHORTAGE DUE TO, AMONG OTHER THINGS, NOT BUILDING ENOUGH HOUSING TO MEET OUR CITY'S HOUSING NEEDS, WHICH HAS LED TO HOUSING PRICES THAT HAVE BECOME INCREASINGLY UNATTAINABLE FOR MANY PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.
AND ALL OF THAT HAS HAPPENED UNDER OUR EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ZONE CODE AND OUR EXISTING ZONING.
AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT HOUSING SHORTAGE, UM, BOTH TODAY AND TO ACCOUNT FOR FUTURE PROJECTED GROWTH OF THE CITY.
AND THIS DRAFT CALLS FOR A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES TO INCREASE ATTAINABLE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY, INCLUDING FACILITATING TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT IN EXISTING COMMERCIAL AREAS AND ALONG CORRIDORS THAT ARE ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY RETAIL TODAY.
AND THEN MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND GENTLE DENSITY.
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OF THESE SOLUTIONS IS GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT ON ITS OWN, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T PUT ALL OF OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET.TOD DONE WELL, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT DONE WELL IS QUITE COMPLEX AND TAKE CAN TAKE YEARS TO SEE FRUITION.
AND MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT OF AGING COMMERCIAL HAS GENERATED SIGNIFICANT CONCERN AMONG CERTAIN MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING PIECE.
IN OTHER WORDS, ADDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING UNITS IN A WAY THAT'S SENSITIVE TO THE FORM AND SCALE OF EXISTING HOMES IN THE AREA.
THINGS LIKE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, DUPLEXES, AND SMALL MULTIPLEXES IN SOME PARTS OF TOWN, WE ALREADY HAVE MISSING MIDDLE THAT FITS REALLY WELL INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
MUCH OF THIS ARE DUPLEXES BUILT IN THE 1960S AND EARLIERS AND MULTIPLEXES BUILT IN THE 1950S AND BEFORE.
AND THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL BENEFITS TO MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING LIKE THIS.
IT PRESENTS, UM, ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS IN A MARKET WHERE MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVE SIMPLY BECOME UNATTAINABLE.
IT PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR KEY MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITIES LIKE TEACHERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS TO BE A PART OF OUR MOST VIBRANT MA NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS.
YOU KNOW, TOO MANY PEOPLE WHO WORK IN DALLAS AND CHOOSE TO SPEND THEIR FREE TIME IN DALLAS HAVE TO COME IN FROM THE SUBURBS FOR THIS.
AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO MORE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM IN OUR CENTRAL CITY.
NOW WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT OPPOSITIONS TO THIS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.
SOME OF THE OPPOSITION STEMS FROM THE FACT THAT SOME OF THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE GETTING BUILT TODAY, LIKE DUPLEXES AND OTHER PRODUCTS IS PROBLEMATIC WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN.
IT'S OUT OF SCALE WITH EXISTING HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND TOO OFTEN WE SEE HOMES WITH FOUR FRONT LOADED GARAGE SPOTS TOO MUCH CONCRETE IN THE FRONT YARD AND ENTRANCES THAT AREN'T ORIENTED TO THE STREET MOVING FORWARD.
WE NEED DESIGN STANDARDS IN OUR CODE THAT ARE MEANINGFUL AND LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS WHERE AND HOW MISSING MID HOUSEHOLD MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING CAN BE BUILT.
AND I HOPE THAT I OR SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WILL OFFER LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE FORWARD DALLAS DRAFT.
UM, THAT BRINGS ME TO THE PEAK QUESTION OF MULTIPLEX USE IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL SLASH SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES, WHICH I THINK HAS PROBABLY, UM, GENERATED THE MOST CONSTERNATION AMONG MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS THAT BECAUSE MULTIPLEX IS A PRIMARY USE IN THESE TWO PLACE TYPES, ANYONE COULD COME IN AND KNOCK DOWN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND BUILD UP TO A NINE PLEX ON ANY LOT.
AND I DON'T THINK THE EXISTING DRAFT CALLS FOR ALLOWING NINE PLEXES ON ANY LOT OR MULTIPLEXES ON ANY LOT.
WE DO NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW AND WHERE WE INCORPORATE MULTIPLEXES IN PARTICULAR TO BE SENSITIVE TO CONCERNS ABOUT DISPLACEMENT OF EXISTING RESIDENTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE AT RISK OF GENTRIFICATION.
AND TO THAT END THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES TODAY WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WILL CHANGE MULTIPLEX FROM A PRIMARY USE TO A SECONDARY USE IN THESE TWO PLACE TYPES.
AND IF THAT MOTION'S MADE, I DO PLAN TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT REPRESENTS A GOOD COMPROMISE TO ADDRESS THESE COMMUNITY CONCERNS.
UM, THE LAST THING ON THE HOUSING PIECE IS THAT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
IT'S NOT A ZONING CHANGE, IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT TO, IT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT TO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE NEXT STEPS AS WE LOOK AT, UM, THE WAYS THAT WE ADDRESS OUR HOUSING NEEDS, BOTH TODAY AND MOVING FORWARD.
UM, FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO EXTEND A FEW THANK YOUS TO PEOPLE WHO WERE PLAYED REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, ROLES IN THIS PROCESS.
THERE'S THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE, UM, MY INVALUABLE VICE CHAIR, DEBORAH CARPENTER, AS WELL AS PETER GOLDSTEIN, ROY LOPEZ, JENNIFER SCRIPPS, NATHANIEL BARRETT, JOE CANNON, JERRY HAWKINS, KRISTEN NIGHTINGALE, LINDA MCMAHON, MATT HOUSTON, MAUREEN MILLIGAN, FORMER COMMISSIONER, JASMINE ANDERSON, DUSTIN BULLARD, JENNIFER RONELL, AND LYNETTE A AGUILAR.
UM, ALSO THANK YOU TO PUD STAFF MEMBERS, INTERIM DIRECTOR, ANDREA GILLIS, LAWRENCE AGU, PATRICK BLADES, BRIAN PRICE, SHALANDA MEN, G**O JOHNSON, ASHIMA SHAIK, TED HELM, AND ARTURO DEL CASTILLO PLUS GEORGE MENDOZA FOR ALL OF HIS TECHNICAL SUPPORT.
AND THANK YOU ALSO TO OUR FOR FORMER PUD DIRECTOR, UM, JULIA RYAN AND OUR NEW, UM, PUD DIRECTOR EMILY LIU, THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND FINALLY, THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS IN MYRIAD WAYS, FROM EMAILS TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, TO MEETING WITH STAFF.
I BELIEVE WE'LL SEE SOME REALLY GOOD TWEAKS TO THE DOCUMENT, UM, TODAY AND POSSIBLY AT OUR NEXT MEETING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITY CONCERNS.
SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITH THE CONSENSUS DOCUMENT THAT WHILE IT MIGHT NOT SATISFY EVERYONE, 100% IS A REAL STEP FORWARD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND ITS FUTURE LAND USE NEEDS.
AND WITH THAT, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE, UM, AMENDMENTS
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AND DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BODY.AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE SENDING THIS ON TO COUNCIL, UM, AT A FUTURE MEETING.
VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, SIR.
I'VE, I'VE APPRECIATED THE TIME THAT YOU AND THE CHAIR HAVE LISTENED TO ME, UM, AND MY COMMUNITY.
UM, MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS AROUND HERE KNOW I REPRESENT, UH, A SECTION OF THE CITY THAT HAS BEEN CALLING FOR EQUITY FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
SO FINDING WAYS TO, TO GET CONSENSUS AMONGST US ALL.
EVERY WEEK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TALK THROUGH SOME THINGS, MEET IN THE MIDDLE, AND, AND FIND WAYS TO IMPROVE WITH THAT.
I WANNA, UM, MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, UM, FOR THE PLACE TYPE AND LAND USE MATRIX FOR SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL CHANGE, MULTIPLEX TO SECONDARY USE UNDER HOUSING CHOICE AND ACCESS A ONE REPLACE WIDTH TO ENSURE THAT DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT MAY BE ADDED INTO NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING HOMES.
CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING DESIGN STANDARDS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STRENGTHENING THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS, AMONG OTHER THINGS, HEIGHT, ROUTE DESIGN, GARAGE PARKING, PLACEMENT, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LOT COVERAGE AND SQUARE FOOTAGE, LOCATION OF FRONT DOORS AND SETBACKS.
IN SOME INSTANCES, DESIGN STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES MAY NEED TO BE MORE STRINGENT THAN THOSE IMPOSED ON THE ESTABLISHED HOUSING TYPE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
FOR EXAMPLE, CONSIDERING REQUIRING PARKING AT AT DUPLEXES IN THE REAR OF THE LOT WHILE CONTINUING TO ALLOW BUT NOT ENCOURAGE FRONT LOAD PARKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES UNDER HOUSING CHOICE AND ACCESS A, ADD A NEW ITEM.
CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING CRITERIA THAT FACILITATES THE DEVELOPMENT OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, SUCH AS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND MULTIPLEXES, AND LOCATIONS WELL SUITED FOR SUCH DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS NEAR TRANSIT STATIONS AND ALONG CORRIDORS AND TRANSITION AREAS BETWEEN NINE RESIDENTIAL AND EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND ON FORMAL CIVIC INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES AND POSSIBLY ON CORNER LOTS.
ADD TO THE INTRODUCTION, MANY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS RANGING FROM THOSE THAT EX CO THAT CONSIST OF EXCLUSIVELY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCES TO THOSE WITH A DIVERSE ARRAY OF HOUSING TYPES, HAVE EXPERIENCED CONSIDERABLE CHANGES SINCE THE FIRST FORD DALLAS PLAN WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006, IN LARGE PART, DUE TO MARKET DEMANDS FOR HOUSING SIGNIFICANTLY OUTSTRIPPING OUR HOUSING SUPPLY.
WHILE SOME OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT HAS BENEFITED NEIGHBORHOODS IN TOO MANY INSTANCES, IT HAS LED TO EXISTING RESIDENTS BEING DISPLACED FROM THEIR LONGTIME HOMES.
ON ONE HAND, MANY DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DISPLACEMENT DESPITE BEING ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE ALLOWED DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES HAVE NOT BEEN IMMUNE TO DISPLACEMENT EITHER.
THE MOST IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AS THE CITY MOVES FORWARD IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDING NEW HOUSING TYPES ARE ONE, MEETING THE HOUSING NEEDS OF DALLAS RESIDENTS IN THE MIDST OF HOUSING SHORTAGES.
AND IN LIGHT OF PROJECTIONS, THAT HOUSING DEMAND WILL CONTINUE TO GROW ALONG WITH THE CITY ITSELF.
AND TWO, ENSURING THAT RESIDENCES OF ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT DISPLACED.
OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ARE ALSO RELEVANT WHEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ADDING NEW HOUSING TYPES TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THESE CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, LIMITED TO ENSURING THAT THE NEW HOUSING TYPES ARE SENSITIVE TO THE COMPATIBLE, I'M SORRY, ARE SENSITIVE TO AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN, IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND LOCATION, AND ADDRESSING THE MITIGATING ANY ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT COULD RESULT FROM CARELESS FROM THE CARELESS ADDITION OF THE NEW HOUSING TYPES.
IN CONTRAST, CERTAIN CONSIDERATIONS SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN WEIGHT IN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING NEW TYPES OF HOUSING.
AS HISTORY SHOWS, LAND USE AND ZONING HAVE BEEN USED AS TOOLS TO SEGREGATE PEOPLE.
UNFORTUNATELY, SOME CONTINUE TO VOICE THOSE SENTIMENTS TODAY, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO EXCLUDING PEOPLE OF ALLURE.
SOCIAL ECONOMIC STATUS ARGUMENTS BASED ON THESE SENTIMENTS DO NOT DESERVE ANY WEIGHT.
RATHER, LAND USE AND ZONING DECISIONS SHOULD PROCEED FROM THE FUNDAMENTAL TENANT THAT ALL RESIDENTS OF DALLAS ARE EQUAL AND CAN LIVE AND THRIVE AS NEIGHBORS IN ALL PARTS OF THE CITY.
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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER.HERBERT, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE, UH, AND JUST TO SUMMARIZE, WE DO HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND THE DOCUMENT TO MOVE MULTIPLEX IN SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL TO A SECONDARY USE.
MAKE COMMISSIONER HERBERT SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER BLAIR COMMENT, SIR, A BRIEF COMMENT, UM, WHAT YOU GUYS HEARD WAS A LOT OF THE PASSION AND EMOTION THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE ENVIRONMENT, OUR CITIZENS, UM, THAT ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND KNOW THE LOUDEST.
UM, I'VE ENGAGED IN A LOT OF COMMENTS, A LOT OF CRITICISM, UM, A LOT OF ENCOURAGEMENT AND LACK THEREOF.
UM, AND I WAS, I TRY TO CAPTURE AS MUCH AS IT CAN, UM, DELIVER THAT TO SOME OF MY COUNTERPARTS FOR CONSISTENT, UM, UM, AND, UH, PARTNERSHIP AND DELIVER IT THE BEST WAY I COULD TO MEET EVERYBODY'S, UM, NEEDS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
I SECOND THE MOTION AND I, THIS IS A START TO TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
THIS GIVES US A BASIS TO SAY, LET'S FURTHER DISCUSS AND HAVE CONSIDERATION OF THIS MASSIVE DOCUMENT.
WHEN WE STARTED, IT WAS SOMETHING WE COULD READ ONLINE.
IT HAS WITH THE CHANGES AND, AND BY FAR SOME OF THE CHANGES WE'VE SEEN TODAY.
YOU CAN ONLY READ THIS, UH, IN PRINT.
UM, WE HAVE HEARD, AND WE ARE HEARING, I HAVE HEARD FROM DISTRICT EIGHT INTENSELY ON THE, THE, SOME PROTECTIONS THAT THEY FELT ARE NEEDED.
THIS BY FAR STARTS, UH, A HEALTHY DISCUSSION WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING CHOICES, PROTECTIONS THAT WE HAVE HEARD ALREADY FROM TODAY.
AND, AND I'M ONLY, I CAN ONLY SPEAK INTENTLY ON DISTRICT EIGHT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE CONCERN IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PIECE.
I AM HAPPY TO HEAR AND HAPPY TO, TO, TO, UM, SECOND THE MOTION THAT THAT STATES THAT CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND THAT EQUITY IN HOUSING CHOICES SHOULD NOT BE ONLY CONSIDERED IN ONE AREA, BUT EQUITABLY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I I DIDN'T OPINE ON THIS THE LAST TIME, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, SHIFTING THE MULTIPLEX TO A SECONDARY USE AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AND SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL REFLECTS THE CURRENT REALITIES ON THE GROUND.
THIS ADJUSTMENT ALSO ALIGNS WITH THIS PLAN, WITH THE PHILOSOPHY THAT MANY OF US FOLLOW WHEN CONSIDERING INCREASED DENSITY, AND THAT IS IMPLEMENTING CHANGES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WILL NOT SOLVE ITS HOUSING CRISIS BY DEVELOPING NINE PLEXES IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS PHENOMENON DID NOT OCCUR AFTER FORWARD DALLAS IN 2006, NOR IS IT FORESEEN TO HAPPEN WITH THIS CURRENT UPDATE.
DEVELOPMENT OF NINE PLEXES IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IS NOT A GOAL OF THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL.
SUCH AN APPROACH IS SIMPLY NOT SCALABLE.
THE VERY PRESENCE OF MANY OF YOU HERE TODAY, ALONG WITH THE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF EMAILS IN OPPOSITION, UNDERSCORES JUST HOW UNREALISTIC THIS IDEA IS.
AS MANY OF YOU HAVE POINTED OUT, FORD DALLAS CANNOT CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DIRECTLY.
CREATING BELOW MARKET RATE HOUSING REQUIRES EITHER FINANCIAL INCENTIVES OR THE EXCHANGE OF ENTITLEMENTS, NEITHER OF WHICH FORWARD DALLAS IS EMPOWERED TO DO.
INSTEAD, IT AIMS TO WELCOME THE CREATION OF MORE ATTAINABLE HOUSING BY SUGGESTING VARIOUS HOUSING TYPES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
IN NUMEROUS TOWN HALLS MEETINGS AND DOZENS OF EMAILS, MANY OF YOU HAVE POSED A CRUCIAL QUESTION, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS? WHILE THIS QUESTION IS INDEED SIGNIFICANT, I BELIEVE THERE'S AN EVEN MORE INTRIGUING ONE TO EXPLORE, AND THAT IS HOW WILL THESE CHANGES EN UNFOLD? IMPLEMENTING ANY CHANGE INVOLVES ENGAGING IN THE REZONING PROCESS, WHICH CAN BE COSTLY, TIME CONSUMING, AND MOST OF ALL UNPREDICTABLE.
AFTER A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS PUBLISHED, A COMMISSIONER REPRESENTING THE DISTRICT WHERE THE APPLICATION ORIGINATED, REVIEWS THE CASE MOST COMMISSIONERS LIVE IN THE DISTRICTS.
THEY REPRESENT AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OR OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS COMMISSIONERS IS CONDUCTING COMMUNITY MEETINGS, PARTICULARLY IN CASES FACING OPPOSITION.
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THIS PROCESS CULMINATES IN A PUBLIC HEARING OR INDIVIDUALS CAN VOICE THEIR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.THE FINAL DECISION RESTS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, DETERMINE DURING A PUBLIC HEARING OPEN TO SPEAKERS BOTH IN SUPPORT AND IN OPPOSITION.
IT'S ESSENTIAL TO RECOGNIZE THAT NO WORDS IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAN SHIELD AGAINST A ZONING CHANGE.
AS PROPERTY OWNERS RETAIN THE RIGHT TO APPLY FOR SUCH CHANGES AT THEIR DISCRETION, THE SAFEGUARD, MANY SEEK LIES IN THE PROCESS ITSELF, OVERSEEN BY INDIVIDUALS AROUND THIS VERY HORSESHOE, STARTING AT THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL, OUR APPROACH IS CHARACTERIZED BY TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, INCORPORATING CHECKS AND BALANCES AT EACH STAGE.
RECENTLY, COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND I DISCUSSED A CASE THAT INITIALLY SEEMED AS STRAIGHTFORWARD WHEN VIEWED THROUGH THE LENS OF THE 2006 FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.
HOWEVER, UPON VISITING THE ACTUAL SITE AND GAINING A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF ITS CONTEXT, LOCATION IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDINGS AND THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OF THE ZONING REQUEST, WE REALIZED THAT THE SOLUTION WASN'T AS SIMPLE AS IT FIRST APPEARED.
IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THE FORWARD DALLAS GUIDANCE, WHILE VALUABLE, SIMPLY DIDN'T ALIGN WITH THE REALITIES ON THE GROUND.
THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL IN MANY CASES.
IT'S THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES AND INTRICACY SURROUNDING EACH SITE THAT DRIVE OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
WHILE SOME APPLICATIONS MAY FIT WELL WITHIN THE BROAD STROKES OF FORWARD DALLAS RECOMMENDATION, OTHERS SIMPLY DO NOT FORWARD DALLAS, AS THE CITY'S OFFICIAL POLICY MUST REALISTICALLY ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
AS MEMBERS OF THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, WE RELY ON OUR EXPERIENCE WITH ZONING AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CITY'S DATA PROVEN HOUSING CRISIS.
IN OUR DECISION MAKING, WE HAVE A MORAL AND PROFESSIONAL DUTY TO RESPOND TO THESE HOUSING NEEDS.
IMPLEMENTATION WILL HAPPEN INCREMENTALLY AND LARGELY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
WE HEARD CLEARLY, HOWEVER, THAT PRIORITY MUST BE PLACED ON FIRST, ESTABLISHING AN UPDATE SET OF CODES THAT INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS DIRECTLY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO ENSURE GREATER PREDICTABILITY AND MORE ALIGNMENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S ABOUT CREATING OPTIONS WHERE THEY MAY, WHERE THEY MAKE SENSE.
AS A CITY, WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND NOT HOW WE SEPARATE THEM.
HOUSING OPTIONS PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE IN THIS.
THE HOUSING CRISIS HAS LEFT MANY WITH FEWER CHOICES, AND OUR LAND USE POLICY SHOULD NOT CREATE ADDITIONAL BARRIERS.
STRENGTHENING OUR GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS REMAINS A PRIORITY, AND TOGETHER WE MUST EXPLORE SENSIBLE WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE OUR C CITY'S EVOLVING LIFESTYLES PREFERENCES AND NEEDS.
I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO DOING JUST THAT.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HOPE THAT, UM, ONCE, UH, FORWARD DALLAS, UM, MOVES FORWARD IN HOUSING, UM, IS DESIGN STANDARDS ALLOW ALLOWING DESIGN STANDARDS IN ZONING CASES THAT IS RELATED TO HOUSING.
UM, IT IS VERY IMPERATIVE THAT THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WE, BECAUSE IT'S A STRAIGHT ZONING CASE, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CONSIDER DESIGN STANDARDS AND THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.
WHEN A DEVELOPER WALKS OUT THE DOOR, THEY MIGHT SHOW US SOMETHING THAT IS NICE AND WE SEE IT AND THEY SAY THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING BUILT ON THE GROUND.
AND THAT'S BEEN MY CONCERN WITH HOUSING.
I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION 100%, BUT MY CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHAT THE, WHY CAN'T WE CONSIDER DESIGN STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING TYPES? UM, AND HERE'S DESIGN STANDARDS ARE ESSENTIALLY IN ZONING CASES RELATED TO HOUSING TO ENSURE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT ALIGNS WITH THE NEEDS OF DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY.
BY INCORP INCORPORATING DESIGN STANDARDS, WE CAN PROMOTE A COHESIVE AND ATTRACTIVE URBAN ENVIRONMENT, WHILE ALSO ADDRESSING ISSUES SUCH AS DENSITY AND AFFORDABILITY.
IN STRAIGHT ZONING CASES WHERE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE NOT CONSIDERED, THERE IS A RISK OF ALLOWING HOUSINGS THAT MAY NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
WITHOUT PROPER GUIDELINES, DEVELOPERS MAY PRIORITIZE PROFIT OVER COMMUNITY NEEDS RESULTING IN DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
BY IMPLEMENTING DESIGN STANDARDS, WE CAN ENCOURAGE A MIX OF USAGES ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR INCREASED DENSITY AND AFFORDABILITY WHILE STILL RESPECTING THE CARROT OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS APPROACH PROMOTES A BALANCE AND SUSTAINABILITY URBAN ENVIRONMENT THAT MEETS THE DIVERSE NEEDS OF RESIDENTS.
OVERALL DESIGN STANDARDS PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE IN SHAPING THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND ENSURING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
BY INCORPORATING DESIGN STANDARDS AND ZONING DECISIONS RELATED TO HOUSING, WE CAN CREATE A VIBRANT, INCLUSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REFLECTS VALUES AND PREFERENCES
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OF THE COMMUNITY.I GET TO SAY THAT BECAUSE, UM, I THINK I, I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT MY COMMUNITY, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN MY DISTRICT IS THE LAST OF THE AREA PLANS TO BE COMPLETED.
AM I COR, AM I CORRECT? WE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOUR YEARS ON A AREA PLAN.
WE THOUGHT WE WERE FINISHED, BUT THEN WE HAD THESE MEGA MANSIONS BEING BUILT IN THE SOUTH DALLAS, AND BECAUSE OF DESIGN STANDARDS, THERE WAS DUPLEXES THAT WERE BUILT IN SOUTH DALLAS DURING MY TERM ON A CPC THAT BECAUSE OF DESIGN STANDARDS, THAT WE SAW SOMETHING PRETTY AT CPC AND WHEN IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT, UM, IT WAS NOT A PRODUCT THAT WE WOULD HAVE APPROVED IF THE DESIGN STANDARDS WERE BEEN IN PLACE.
AND WE GET A GREAT CHOICE OF THIS WEEKEND GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WITH PUBLIC STAFF.
WE'RE GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY LEADERS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR AREA PLAN, THAT OUR DESIGN STANDARDS IS IMPLEMENTING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE HOUSING TYPES AND WHERE WE FIT.
OUR COMMUNITY HAS A DIVERSE AMOUNT OF HOUSING TYPES, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
SO BY SUPPORTING THIS PARTICULAR MOTION, IT ALIGNS WITH WHAT PD 5 95 SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN TASK FORCE HAS WENT IN AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.
WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN FINISHED WITH EVERYONE ELSE, BUT BECAUSE OUR AREA IS SO UNIQUE, AND WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FLOURISH OF HOUSING THAT IS GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE AS OUR HONORABLE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, DIANE RAGSDALE HAS SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT IS GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.
AND SO, BUT WE'RE ALSO SAYING THAT WE NEED, ALONG WITH CORRIDORS, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I HAD A, A AWESOME CHANCE AT TALKING WITH, UM, JOBY ABOUT, THEY WERE 100% AGAINST ANY APARTMENTS, BUT I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO THEM AND SAY, WELL, LET'S OPEN THE IDEA.
UM, YOU WANT, YOU WANT ALONG CARBONDALE IT TO BE A, A, A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, BUT YOU ALSO CAN GET SOME DENSITY AND NOT A CRAZY AMOUNT OF DENSITY THAT REFLECTS OTHER AREAS SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SUPPORTED HOUSE TYPES THAT, THAT ARE IN THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT WILL NOT IMPEDE INTO THE THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOUSE TYPES, I THINK THIS HAS TO GO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMUNITY BY COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THERE IS COMMUNITIES WHO NEED THAT.
BUT MY ONLY FEAR IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR IS BECAUSE WE'RE SO VULNERABLE AND SUSCEPTIBLE TO, UM, DEVELOPERS WHO DO NOT COME INTO THE COMMUNITY AND ASK WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, THAT WE MIGHT NOT GET A HOUSING TYPE.
THAT THE HOUSING TYPE MIGHT BE DENSITY, BUT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE GARBAGE AND IT MIGHT BE OVERPRICED.
SO I AM 100% FOR DENSITY, ESPECIALLY SMALL DENSITY.
I HAVE TALKED WITH, UM, WITH PUD EXTENSIVELY.
I'VE WORKED WITH, UH, ANDREA AND, AND PATRICK FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND LINDSAY AND MS. BOWIE AND, AND THAT DRIVING FORCES ME DRIVING THE CITY.
I DRIVE FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER END, AND THEY GET CALLS SOMETIME EIGHT, NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT BECAUSE SOMETHING POPPED UP AND I SEEN SOMETHING FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND HOW DOES, AND WHERE DOES AND CAN THAT FIT IN SOUTH DALLAS, BUT GIVE US DENSITY? AND OFTENTIMES THERE IS VOICES THAT ARE BEING SPOKEN ABOUT THE SOUTHERN SECTOR WHO HAS NEVER PASSED 30 IN THE LAST YEAR AND DON'T UN AND, AND, AND DOES NOT HAVE, AND DO NOT HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR CRISIS IS.
OUR CRISIS IS THERE IS NOT AFFORDABILITY SOUTH OF 30.
IF IT IS, IT'S FULL AFFORDABILITY.
WE CAN'T OFTENTIMES, EVEN HERE, WE CAN'T GET AFFORDABILITY IN ZONING CASES BECAUSE OF ENLO FEE.
WE NEED DENSITY, WE NEED AFFORDABILITY, WE NEED DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES.
CORRIDORS, I AM FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
I OWN A COUPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT I ALSO GREW UP IN A SMALL APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, KIND SIMILAR TO THE ONES ON GASTON, WHERE MY MOTHER WAS A SINGLE PARENT AND SHE CAN GO TO WORK AND HO HOLLER ACROSS THE HO WELL ACROSS THE, THE, UM, COURTYARD AND TELL THE NEIGHBOR, CAN YOU LOOK IN ON MY KIDS? AND WE HAD A FAMILY SETTING.
I'VE ALSO, MY MOTHER LIVED IN A SIXPLEX RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SOUTH DALLAS, BUT IT FIT AND IT WAS AFFORDABLE.
ONE BEDROOM WHEN SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIDS, SHE DIDN'T WANT A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
SHE NEITHER WANTED A HOUSE, BUT SHE WAS ABLE TO SEE A SIXPLEX.
SO THAT DIVERSITY WHERE IT FITS, MAKING SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED, THE THOSE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS, THIS GROSS INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING THAT IS OUT PRICING OUR SENIORS WHERE THEY CAN'T, UM, AGE IN PLACE ANYMORE.
THOSE THINGS REALLY IS CONSIDERABLE.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THE MAIN FOCUS OF ME IS FOR MY, MYSELF ON VOTING, UM, ON
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THESE CASES IS, IS THERE GONNA BE DESIGN STANDARDS? IS THERE GONNA WORK ITS WAY INTO HOW WE VOTE ON HOUSING WHEN IT COMES TO STRAIGHT ZONING CASES? THAT IS CONSIDERED HOUSING.AND THAT IS MY DECIDING FACTOR ON, ON WHICH WAY DO I VOTE.
AND THAT DESIGN STANDARD IS BEING IN PLACE.
AND, AND HAVING COMMISSIONERS THAT UNDERSTAND THAT DESIGN STANDARDS IS THE ONLY THING THAT SEPARATES ME FROM SAYING YES OR NO.
UM, AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT P STAFF HAS GREATLY HEARD US OVER THE LAST, UH, COUPLE YEARS.
I'M SO READY TO CLOSE THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE OUT.
WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, THE ONLY THING I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WAS PARKING INCOMPATIBILITY AGENCIES 25 FEET FROM THE CURVE, NPD 5 9 5 AND CATERING SERVICES AS A SUP.
AND IT MORPHED IN ME LEARNING AND, AND GOING BACK TO SCHOOL AND SAYING THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I AM A PART OF, UH, OF THE CHANGE THAT SOUTH DALLAS IS GOING TO NEED.
THAT'S NOT PROBABLY IN MY LIFETIME, BUT IN MY NIECES, NEPHEWS, AND MY 8-YEAR-OLD SON.
SO I JUST, I SUPPORT THIS AND I THANK PUD.
UM, WHEN ANDREA CAME ON, WE HAD 160 AREA PLANS IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT HAD NEVER CAME TO FULL, UH, FRUITION.
AND SHE SAID, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AGAIN.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE ONES THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE, AND LET'S GET SOME, LET'S GO IN AND DO SOME SURGERY.
AND BELIEVE ME OR NOT, HOUSING TYPE WAS ONE OF OUR SURGERIES.
I BELIEVE IT'S ONE OF OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE WENT IN.
ALSO, WE HAVE UNIQUE ZONING IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT, UM, I THINK MOST HAD NEVER HEARD OF NCS.
UM, AND WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT SAYING, CAN WE GET SOME HOUSING TYPES ALONG THAT, THAT, THAT THOSE CORRIDORS IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THOSE APARTMENTS THAT SO MANY OF OUR APARTMENTS WERE TORE DOWN ARE NOW HAVING SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING OR SOME DUPLEXES ON IT.
SO WE, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS AS LONG AS IT HAS DESIGN STANDARDS WORKED INTO IT.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT A LOT OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SENT.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UM, AS THE FIRST OF MANY MOTIONS I HOPE TO HEAR.
UM, AS THE DISTRICT 14 REPRESENTATIVE, I REPRESENT A MULTIPLE, A GROUP OF MULTIPLE COMPETING INTERESTS THAT HAVE BEEN AT ODDS WITH ONE ANOTHER THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A BALANCED COMPROMISE.
I KNOW THAT PROBABLY ALL OF THE GROUPS ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE COMPROMISE.
THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS WANT NO CHANGE, AND CITIES THAT DON'T CHANGE DON'T THRIVE.
AND THE HOUSING ADVOCATES WANT NO RULES.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR, UM, RESPONSE TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED OVER THE COURSE OF DECADES IN THE CITY EITHER.
AND SO I THINK THAT THIS STRIKES A HEALTHY BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO PRIMARY COMPETING INTERESTS.
AND I ALSO THINK IT'S REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S ON THE GROUND IN SO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF DALLAS AND HOW WE GOT THE ZONING WE GOT, IT'S AN OVERLAY THAT DOESN'T ACCURATELY DESCRIBE WHAT'S ON THE GROUND BECAUSE IT WAS PUT IN AFTER THE FACT.
AND MOST OF OUR, PARTICULARLY IN MY DISTRICT, UM, EAST DALLAS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT SINGLE FAMILY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NAMED THAT.
AND SO I THINK THAT THIS COMPROMISE BY TAKING OUT THE MULTIPLEX, UM, REALLY DOESN'T FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I THINK THE LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT CREATING INFILL DESIGN STANDARDS AS PART OF THIS PLAN GOES, UH, TOWARD WHAT'S REALLY THE HEART OF THE ISSUE WITH THESE SMALLER DENSITY INFILL IS WHERE DO WE PUT IT AND HOW IS IT GOING TO REASONABLY FIT INTO THE EXISTING STOCK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AND THIS PLAN DOESN'T DO THAT, AND IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A, AN OVERARCHING PLANNING DOCUMENT.
IT'S NOT AN IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION DOCUMENT.
THAT IMPLEMENTATION PIECE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOMETHING WE WORK ON NEXT, AND THAT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF THAT.
AND THIS AMENDMENT SPECIFICALLY CALLS FOR THAT.
I ALSO THINK THAT THIS AMENDMENT HELPS ADDRESS THE GENTRIFICATION ISSUES WE SEE.
AND I DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE IN THIS, UM, FORWARD DALLAS,
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AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING MORE AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS GENTRIFICATION IN THIS BEFORE IT ULTIMATELY GOES TO COUNCIL.BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP IN STARTING TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE PROTECT SOME OF THE WORKING CLASS, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL BE TARGETED, THAT ARE ALREADY BEING TARGETED.
IF WE DON'T DO ANOTHER THING, THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ON THE CHOP AND YOU KNOW IT, AND WE SEE IT.
AND SO WHAT THIS PLAN CAN DO AND WHAT IMPLEMENTATION FEATURES IN THIS PLAN CAN DO IS START TO CREATE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN FORMULATE IMPLEMENTATION TO START TO PROTECT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO NOT EXIST TODAY.
AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS I'M SUPPORTING THIS AMENDMENT.
UM, AND FRANKLY THOUGH, THERE ARE A LOT OF LOUD VOICES WHO OPPOSE IT.
THERE ARE SO MANY VOICES WHO SUPPORT IT.
I HAVE RECEIVED EASILY AS MUCH SUPPORT FOR THIS PLAN AS OPPOSITION.
I HAVE RECEIVED THOUSANDS OF EMAILS, CALLS, TEXTS IN PERSON MEETINGS, AND THE SUPPORT FOR IT IS OVERWHELMING.
I KNOW THAT, THAT SOME OF YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT, BUT IT'S TRUE.
AND, AND I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO REPRESENT ALL OF THE CONSTITUENTS, NOT JUST THE ONES I KNOW THE BEST OR NOT JUST THE ONES WHO ARE THE LOUDEST OR NOT FRANKLY, JUST THE ONES WHO LIKE TO THREATEN ME.
UM, SO I ALSO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS ABOUT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT IS NOT JUST BUILDING WAREHOUSES NEXT TO HOMES.
IT ALSO SPECIFICALLY GOES TO, IS ALLOWING A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT GOING TO CREATE, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPERMISSIBLE RUNOFF ON NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTIES, IMPERMISSIBLE, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT MIGHT ADVERSELY IMPACT A NEIGHBORHOOD OR OTHER TYPES OF ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
WE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE A BROAD TERM LIKE THAT TO ENCOMPASS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT DEVELOPMENT CAN AND SOMETIMES DOES ADVERSELY IMPACT COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT GOES TO A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU ALL HAVE RAISED ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT CAN ADVERSELY IMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS FROM ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN.
UM, AND, AND FINALLY, YOU KNOW, I REJECT THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T NEED TO PLAN FOR HOUSING, THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING.
THE, THE STATISTICS SIMPLY DO NOT BEAR THAT OUT.
AND WE ARE THE FASTEST GROWING REGION IN THE COUNTRY, AND DALLAS COUNTY AND TARRANT COUNTY ARE NOT GROWING AS FAST.
AND I, AND THE DATA IS, IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THAT IS IN, IN MANY WAYS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT BUILDING ENOUGH HOUSING THAT'S AFFORDABLE ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS YOU CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TO JUST BUILD MORE HOUSING WHILE FORWARD.
DALLAS IS NOT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN PER SE.
ALLOWING FOR DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AND ALLOWING FOR MORE HOUSING IS ONE WAY TO COMBAT THAT.
AND I AM SYMPATHETIC OR EMPATHETIC FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUILT THEIR FAMILIES AND LIVES AND BOUGHT HOMES AND INVESTED IN COMMUNITIES AND LIVED HERE FOR DECADES BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.
BUT I CAN BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE AND BE EMPATHETIC TOWARD YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT SAME LIFE AND CAN'T AFFORD IT.
AND THINK ABOUT HOW THE FUTURE OF THE CITY NEEDS TO OPERATE AND START TO TRANSFORM IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO HAVE WHAT MY GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS BEFORE ME HAVE HAD.
AND IF WE DON'T DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT GOING TO BE THE REALITY FOR SO MANY PEOPLE.
AND I JUST FIND IT UNACCEPTABLE TO SAY, WELL, THEN THEY CAN LIVE IN FRISCO OR ALLEN UNTIL THEY CAN AFFORD TO MOVE TO DALLAS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR OUR CITY.
AND THAT'S NOT THE ATTITUDE THAT LEADERS IN OUR CITY SHOULD HAVE OR WANT FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR CITIES.
YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT.
WELL, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, ACCEPT AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR, UH, MOTION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT IN, IN THE, UH, SECOND TO THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THE SECOND PAGE OF YOUR, UH, MOTION WHERE YOU SAY THESE CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO ENSURING THAT THE NEW HOUSING TYPES ARE SENSITIVE TO AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND LOCATION IN ADDRESSING
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AND MITIGATING ANY ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INSERT WHERE IT SAYS, IN ADDRESSING, I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE AND TO WHILE AND THEN SAY, ADDRESSING THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY AND, AND MITIGATING ANY ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
WILL YOU, ARE YOU WILLING TO, UH, WOULD YOU, UH, ACCEPT MODIFYING AND ADDING THAT SHORT LITTLE, UH, CHANGE TO YOUR STATEMENT? YES.
AND I AGREED WITH THAT CHANGE.
ANYONE IN THE BODY OBJECT FOR THE, UH, THE CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE? COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, SIR? I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I SUPPORT THIS MOTION HOWEVER, AND, AND I'M, AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE CHANGE OF, UH, MULTIPLEX TO SECONDARY USE IN THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES.
I, I, I DO HAVE CONCERNS THOUGH REGARDING THE FACT THAT WE'VE ADDED COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, UH, LAND USE AND COTTAGE COURTS TO THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED LAND USE.
UH, HOW, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CHAIRMAN HOW I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
UH, DO I ADDRESS THAT THROUGH A CHANGE OR, UH, UH, TO THIS OR WOULD THAT BE A SEPARATE AMENDMENT? IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE AMENDMENT.
WHICH YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY MAKE.
BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST GONNA DISCUSS THIS, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT READ INTO THE RECORD CHANGING OF THE PLACE TYPE, AS WELL AS THE OTHER, UH, PIECES AS WELL AS THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ADDED BY COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, WHAT, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP IN PROTECTING OUR EXISTING STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THOSE THAT ARE ALSO AT RISK OR MOST LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE GENTRIFICATION.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE END, IN MY OPINION.
I THINK WE HAVE MUCH MORE LANGUAGE REVISIONS THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS BODY DEBATING.
I THINK ONE THING THAT I DON'T SEE, I THINK THIS STARTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, IS NOT REPEATING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN OUR CITY.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT OUR CITY HAS CONFRONTED WHAT IS TERM TO HOUSING CRISIS.
I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT DIRECTLY EXPERIENCED THAT.
I BOUGHT MY FIRST HOME IN THE MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT WAS 20 YEARS AFTER THAT ORDINANCE HAD BEEN PUT INTO PLACE.
IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT WAS CONVERTED INTO A TRIPLEX WITH PLUMBING RUN ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
I WOULD LIKE THIS BODY TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR BUILDING CODE.
THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
I REPRESENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CLEARLY ESTABLISHED THAT HAVE MANY OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT WE SPEAK ABOUT.
I REPRESENT MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT DO NOT.
THEY ARE DIRECTLY AT RISK FROM GENTRIFICATION, ONGOING AND IN THE FUTURE.
THOSE ARE THE COMMUNITIES THAT I AM MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE HEARD MS. ROBERTS EARLIER TODAY, A COMMUNITY THAT HAS AN ESTABLISHED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, HAS A LAND USE MAP THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE.
THEY ARE SEEING GENTRIFICATION ON A SCALE THAT MOST OF US CAN'T IMAGINE AND IS NOW BEING IDENTIFIED FOR FUTURE DENSITY CONTRARY TO THEIR ESTABLISHED PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
DISTRICT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS AREN'T ADDRESSED IN THIS PLAN.
THAT IS ONE AMENDMENT THAT I HOPE THIS BODY WILL CONSIDER, BECAUSE IT IS CRITICAL TO ACKNOWLEDGING NOT JUST WHERE WE HAVE NSOS HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, BUT THOSE THAT ALSO HAVE ESTABLISHED PLANS THAT ARE THE GUIDING DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE ALLOWED THOSE COMMUNITIES TO THRIVE AND ARE NOW SOME OF OUR MOST AT RISK FOR OUR NATURALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER HERBERT AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO PUT THE TIME IN WITH THIS FIRST AMENDMENT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I, I DO SUPPORT THE, UM, THE MOTION FOR WHAT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD AS A, AS A FIRST STEP.
UM, BUT ECHOING WHAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAS SAID TO A, TO A LARGE DEGREE AND WOULD, UM, AND NOW THAT I KNOW WHAT THE FORMAT IS, I WILL COME, I WILL COME TO SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS WITH VERY SPECIFIC
UM, THE TENSION IN THIS DOCUMENT IS ADDING DENSITY AND PREVENTING
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GENTRIFICATION, AND IT'S JUST LIKE ON THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE FIRST PAGE.NUMBER TWO IS ENSURING THAT RESIDENTS OF ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT DISPLACED.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, I MEAN, IT JUST ALWAYS, THE THUMB COMES DOWN VERY HARD ON ADDING DENSITY, AND IT'S LIKE, OH, WELL, AND IT'LL BE NICE IF WE CAN PREVENT DISPLACEMENT.
THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE VERY RIGOROUS, UM, PLANS LANGUAGE PUT INTO THIS DOCUMENT THAT ELEVATES THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF PREVENTING DISPLACEMENT.
UM, I'M VERY TROUBLED BY THE LANGUAGE IN SECTION, LET'S SEE, PAGE TWO DASH 10 UNDER HOUSING CHOICE.
WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT, NUMBER ONE, DECREASING STOCK OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I COULD, I COULD SUPPORT THAT UP TO THAT POINT, BUT THEN IT GOES ON TO SAY, PARTLY DUE TO POOR CONSERVATION OF OLDER HOUSING STOCK, NOW THE SUBJECT IS WORTHY OF, YOU KNOW, AN ESSAY.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE MAIN REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO NUMBER TWO, A LACK OF DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS CITYWIDE DUE TO ZONING AND LAND USE BARRIERS, THAT'S BASICALLY SAYING, IF WE HAD MORE DENSITY, WE'D HAVE MORE AFFORDABILITY, WE MIGHT HAVE MORE DIVERSITY, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MORE AFFORD IT.
AND NUMBER FOUR, DISPROPORTIONATE DISPLACEMENT IN LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS DUE TO BURDENSOME DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS.
WE'RE GETTING DISPLACEMENT IN LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS.
BE, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
ONE, THE WAY DEC A VALUES LAND, UM, YOU KNOW, RECENT STUDIES SAID DEC AD SYSTEMATICALLY OVERVALUE, UM, PROPERTY IN LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEY UNDERESTIMATE IN, IN HIGHER INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT GOES ON IN A LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREA RESETS THE LAND VALUES.
AND ADDING DENSITY TO THAT JUST DOES IT MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WILL BE COMING BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING WITH SOME SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE CHANGES, BUT I JUST GIVE THESE AS AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THE THUMB IS VERY FIRMLY ON THE SCALE IN THIS DOCUMENT OF, OF PUTTING MORE DENSITY INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IT, AT BEST, IT GLOSSES OVER THE, THE DISPLACEMENT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, IT REFERENCES AN ANTI DISPLACEMENT CHECKLIST OR DOCUMENT THAT DOES NOT EXIST.
I'M TOLD THAT NO ONE HAS SEEN IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAN'T RELY, I MEAN, AND I THINK EVEN IF IT'S, UM, DEVELOPED, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A FAIRY, A FEATHER STANDING UP TO A BULLDOZER.
I MEAN, WE ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE, I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY THE NSO PROCESS IS SO TIME CONSUMING AND TAKES SO MUCH COMMUNITY AND STAFF TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SAW IT HOW HAPPEN IN ELM THICKET.
I'M SEEING IT HAPPEN IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
BY THE TIME WE, WE CATCH UP WITH THE PROCESS AND GET SOMETHING IN PLACE, THE DISPLACEMENT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED.
IF WE DON'T DEVELOP, IF THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T POINT OUT THE NECESSITY OF, OF RID, OF STRINGENT, I'LL SAY, DESIGN STANDARDS TO ACCOMPANY OR TO, TO, AS A PRECURSOR TO ANY SORT OF ENTITLEMENT TO ADD, UM, DENSITY, THEN WE'RE JUST THROWING A MATCH INTO DRY GRASS AS FAR AS DISPLACEMENT GOES.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, I THINK I'LL CONCUR WITH YOU ON SOME POINTS.
UM, I I, I, I DO KNOW IN OUR CASE, AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO OUR CASE, WHERE THERE IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE TO STOP SOME BAD ACTORS AND, AND, UM, AS FAR AS BUSINESS IS, UH, THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT WE WANTED.
BUT WHAT WE DID FIND WAS THERE WAS SOME BARRIERS FROM ZONING THAT DID NOT ALLOW FOR, DURING A TIME BEFORE COVID THAT DID NOT ALLOW SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE BUILT IN PLACES THAT NOW IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AT.
UM, IF THOSE ZONING, UM, DEVELOPERS RAN FROM THOSE, FROM THAT AREA BECAUSE OF ZONING, OUR PD HAD HAD ALL KIND OF RESTRICTIONS PURPOSELY DURING A TIME THAT IT NEEDED IT SO THAT WE WOULDN'T BE DISPLACED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT EVEN THOUGH, UM, OUR COMMUNITY IS SEEING SOME GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING IN CERTAIN AREAS, WE HAVE AREAS THAT HAS MAINTAINED THEIR AFFORDABILITY BECAUSE THE PD WAS READING IN A WAY, UM, THAT THAT COULD NOT HAPPEN.
UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDRESSING THE ZONING CHANGES AND, AND AREAS THAT NEED PD, UM, I HAVE CHOPPY, CHOPPY HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR YEARS BECAUSE OF
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ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES, UM, HOUSING TYPES.NO ONE EVER WHEN, WHEN SITTING DOWN, BECAUSE THEY ORIGINALLY JUST YELLED AT ME AND NEVER TALKED WITH ME.
BUT WHEN WE DID GET READY TO, WHEN WE DID SIT DOWN, NO ONE HAD EVER TOLD THEM ABOUT A PLAN DISTRICT.
NOBODY, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
AND I WAS SO CONFUSED BECAUSE A PLAN DISTRICT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEM 10, 15, 20 YEARS AGO TO, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WERE NEEDED IN AREAS.
AND OFTENTIMES, UM, THAT INFORMATION, UM, IS LEFT OUT OF COMMUNITIES THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND ZONING.
THEY JUST UNDERSTAND THE BASIC NEEDS, BUT NOT THE LANGUAGE OR THE TOOLS THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLACE.
WHEN I EXPLAINED TO JAPI, WHY HADN'T YOU ALL HAD PLANNED DISTRICTS, AND THEY HAD WORKED WITH PEOPLE WHO CAME INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE A ICP, UM, CERTIFIED PLANNERS.
THEY HAD WORKED WITH CITY STAFF, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AGENCY.
THEY HAD WORKED WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAD NEVER SAID, YOU NEED A PLAN DISTRICT.
YOU NEED TO PLAN YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHEN I, AND THIS WAS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, I IMMEDIATELY WENT TO PUD AND SAID, JO NEEDS A PLAN.
DISTRICT THREE 10 NEEDS A PLAN DISTRICT.
THESE PLACES IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, UM, DO NOT HAVE PLANNED DISTRICT.
THANK GOD FOR, FOR COUNCILMAN, UM, FORMER COUNCILMAN, UM, UH, DIANE RAGSDALE AND, AND LEO CHENEY.
AND THOSE WHO SAW THAT KNEW THE LANGUAGE.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
WE, WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE REASON THAT THESE THINGS HAD BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
BUT THANK GOD THAT THEY DID, BECAUSE SOUTH DALLAS WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE WEST DALLAS GENTRIFIED BEFORE THEY COULD EVER GET A PLAN.
AND SO WHAT WE DO HAVE RESTRICTIONS, THE ZONING MATTERS.
UM, IT, IT, IT MATTERS ON THE HOUSING, IT MATTERS ON, UM, THERE'S A DEVELOPER, NOT A DEVELOPER PERSON THAT BUY PROPERTIES.
HE LIVES IN THE CAAR, BUT HE'S TOTALLY ENGAGED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND HE SAID, I WANNA TURN IT, I WANTED TO GO BACK.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE APARTMENTS ABOVE A BUILDING THAT I HAVE WENT TO SINCE PROBABLY BEFORE I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT WHEN I ASKED MY MOTHER, SHE SAID, OH, YEAH, THERE WAS APARTMENTS THERE.
I WAS LIKE, SERIOUSLY? AND THEY COULD NOT REPLACE HIM.
AND HE WAS LIKE, IT'LL BE FUN.
I SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU APPLY? SO I THINK IN, IN, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THE ZONING IS AT.
UM, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS, MOST COMMUNITIES DIDN'T KNOW IT.
QUEEN CITY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND THEY HAVE FACED THE MOST AMOUNT OF GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING IN MY COMMUNITY.
UM, AND NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME THINGS IN PLACE, SO I I, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE DO NEED TO, TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
WE NEED PLANNERS WHO ARE ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE NEED OUR COMMISSIONERS SOMETIME.
WE GOTTA, WE HAVE TO VISIT COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE TO GO, WE HAVE TO GO ACROSS LINES BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT, UM, HISTORICAL BUILDINGS OR LEGACY BUILDINGS IN EVERY COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT DALLAS THAT ARE BEING LOST BECAUSE OF THESE DESIGN STANDARDS.
NOT COMMUNITIES, NOT BEING EDUCATED AND DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO BE EDUCATED.
AGAIN, I TELL YOU ALL A HUNDRED TIMES, I, I BRAG BECAUSE FOR ME, THAT'S A GREAT FEAT.
I'M 47 AND I'M IN SCHOOL FOR URBAN PLANNING.
THAT IS SOMETHING IF I WOULD'VE KNEW AS MUCH AS WHEN I LEARNED ZONING, I LOVE IT.
I CAN TALK ABOUT IT FOR HOURS.
IF I HAVE KNEW THAT AT 20, I COULD HAVE BEEN IN MY COMMUNITY MAKING GREAT CHANGES, RIGHT? SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
BUT IN OUR COMMUNITY, I CAN'T SPEAK OF EVERYONE ELSE.
I LIVED A LITTLE BIT IN EVERY RUN CITY.
WE HAVE ZONING LAWS THAT HAVE REALLY HELD BACK OUR GROWTH.
WE HAVE ZONING LAWS THAT IN OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANNA OPEN BUSINESSES IN SOUTH DALLAS CAN'T BECAUSE OF ZONING, THE ZONING ISSUES.
WHEN WE WENT AND LOOKED AT THE, AT OUR ZONING ISSUES, THE FIRST THING I EVER DID IN MY LIFE WAS I WAS A BEAUTICIAN.
BUT THERE'S A BEAUTY SHOP ON EVERY CORNER IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
I MEAN, THAT'S CITY OF DALLAS IN THE UNITED STATES.
I'VE TRAVELED EVERY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING AND WHAT WE CALL THE HOOD BECAUSE THERE'S A BEAUTY SHOP, A BARBERSHOP, A CONVENIENCE STORE, A SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESS, A CHECK CASH IN PLACE, A ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE MORE HARM THAT, THAT, THAT DOES NOT ADD TO DIVERSITY BECAUSE OF THE ZONING.
UM, PD 5 95 SAYS, CATERING SERVICE NEEDS A SUP.
I HAVE COUSINS WHO HAVE LEFT CORPORATE AMERICA.
THEIR BUSINESS IS NOT NEXT DOOR TO THEIR HOUSE, THEIR BUSINESSES ACROSS TOWN BECAUSE OF ZONING.
AND THAT ZONING LEADS TO AFFORDABILITY ISSUES BECAUSE NOW SHE PAYS MORE IN RENT FOR A PLACE ON OUTSIDE OF SOUTH DALLAS.
SHE GETS LESS TIME WITH HER CHILDREN.
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AMERICA SO THAT SHE CAN BE WITH HER CHILDREN BECAUSE THERE'S HOUSING TYPES ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE ELSE.SHE COULD POSSIBLY OWN A BUILDING AND BUILD A HOUSE OR BUILD HER HOUSING ON TOP OF HER BUILDING.
THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN OUR CORRIDORS.
AND SO I THINK THAT ZONING PLAYS A MAJOR DIS, UH, A MAJOR ISSUE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE EDUC, UM, SOME SOLUTIONS THAT WE DO HAVE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS IS NOT OFFERED READILY TO COMMUNITIES IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD BE OFFERED IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND OFTEN BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY EDUCATED ON THOSE THINGS.
UM, AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY JOCKY WAS JUST SURPRISED WHEN I SAID PLAN DISTRICT.
TO ME, IT WAS A SOLUTION THAT WAS A NO BRAINER.
THAT SAID, IF YOU GET THIS, THEN YOU GET TO MAKE CHOICES AS A COMMUNITY.
AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN YELLING AND SCREAMING FROM THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS FOR YEARS ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED.
AND A PLAN DISTRICT WOULD'VE BEEN SIMPLY ABLE TO GET YOU THAT, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN INITIATED BY STAFF.
UM, AND SO I THINK, UM, WHAT IS GOOD ON ONE SIDE OF THE FENCE IS NOT OFFERED READILY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE.
AND THAT'S THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE ARE HAVING.
THAT'S WHY THE COMMUNITIES ARE STAYING THE SAME.
AND THE ONLY TIME THAT CHANGES ARE COMING IS WHEN SOMEONE WITH THE FINANCIAL BACKING COMES IN AND APPLIES FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND THEY GET WHAT THEY GET WHEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED FROM THE CITY.
AND I THINK THE CITY, UH, STAFF AS OF RECENT, I THINK THEY'RE DOING A BETTER JOB.
BUT IN OF ALL, THEY DID NOT, THEY DID NOT COME INTO THESE COMMUNITIES AND OFFER SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD NOT COST OF COMMUNITY FINANCIALLY, THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE CITY BACK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION OPPOSED AMENDMENT INCLUDING THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? YES.
NOT THAT, NOT THAT'S A, THAT'S GONNA BE A SEPARATE MOTION.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE THESE ITEMS ONE AT A TIME.
UH, WE CAN DISCUSSION, DISCUSS THEM BOTH ON THEM, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE TIME TO MAKE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT, UH, YOU FEEL UNNECESSARY AT THIS TIME.
AND AGAIN, THE PROCESS DOESN'T END TODAY.
WE HAVE TIME TO MAKE ADDITIONAL, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE DOCUMENT.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, UH, WHERE IS, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
I THINK SOME OF US, UH, HAVE, WE'LL GET MORE COPIES OF THIS 10, 10 MINUTE BREAK.
COMMISSIONERS, WE ALL RECORDING? 11:59 AM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED COPIES OF THE DRAFT NUMBER FOUR HIGHLIGHTS.
WE CAN TAKE THEM ALL ONE AT A TIME.
WE'LL NEED MOTIONS TO ADD THEM AND AMEND THE DOCUMENT.
LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER ONE, ADD OVERVIEW, AND THE PURPOSE LANGUAGE.
ELABORATING IN RELATIONSHIP TO HISTORIC DISTRICT NSOS AND CONSERVATION DISTRICTS ON PAGES ONE SIXTH AND ONE SEVENTH.
MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.
UM, REGARDING THE LANGUAGE ON ONE SIXTH MM-HMM.
IT'S THE FIFTH PARAGRAPH I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE ADD AFTER NSOS ESTABLISHED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS SO THAT THE REVISED LANGUAGE WOULD READ HISTORIC DISTRICTS, HDS, CONSERVATION DISTRICT CDS, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION, OVERLAYS, NSOS, AND ESTABLISHED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LED EFFORTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR A MOTION TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT.
AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, FOR YOUR SECOND, LET'S DISCUSS THAT.
VICE CHAIR RUBIN, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
DID YOU? WELL, I THINK JUST AS WE'VE HEARD, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ESTABLISHED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE STILL WIDELY UTILIZED, RELIED UPON, UM, BY THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
AND I THINK HAVING THOSE REFERENCED, I WAS PARTICULARLY CONCERNED THAT WHEN WE GO ON TO THE NEXT, UM, PARAGRAPH WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS TO OTHER PLANS, I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO REFLECT THAT THERE ARE SOME PDS THAT ARE NO LONGER NEEDED, MAYBE IN CONFLICT, UM, WITH CURRENT POLICY, AND THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT THOSE PERHAPS ARE NOT CARRIED FORWARD.
HOWEVER, THERE'S MANY OTHER CASES WHERE THOSE PDS ARE RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
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1 93 TO, UM, PLU PD 99 GASTON AVENUE, WHICH IS A SPINE THAT CONNECTS FOUR OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN OLD EAST DALLAS.I THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE STILL VERY MUCH RELEVANT.
AND I THINK REFLECTING THOSE IN THIS DOCUMENT IS IMPORTANT.
AND MR. RUBIN, DID YOU WANNA GO COMMISSIONER CASE THEN BEFORE, SINCE YOU KNOW MR. RUBIN? I, I LIKE THE INTENT OF THIS AMENDMENT, BUT I THINK IT COULD PROBABLY USE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, IN MY VIEW, IT PAINTS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A BROAD BRUSH HERE AND JUST SIMPLY, UM, ADDING THE WORD IN PDS RIGHT AFTER NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS.
AND I THINK THIS CAME UP AT A PRIOR CLAN COMMISSION HEARING WHERE WE HAVE SEEN PDS THAT ARE REALLY GOOD AND REALLY IMPORTANT FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'VE ALSO SEEN AT THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, YOU KNOW, PDS THAT, THAT WHERE SOME PAID CONSULTANT COMES IN AND ROS 'EM THROUGH, AND THEY DON'T REPRESENT GOOD PLANNING EFFORTS, EQUITABLE PLANNING EFFORTS, THOUGHTFUL PLANNING EFFORTS, WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL OR, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WOULD, UM, ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT, UM, IN FRONT OF THE WORD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS ADDS THE WORD EQUITABLE NEIGHBORHOOD LED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
WELL, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.
SO WILL, I ACTUALLY, I SAID ESTABLISHED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS AND THERE IS STILL LANGUAGE THAT IS WITHIN THE, AND, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER RUBIN.
I THINK ON THE NEXT PARAGRAPH ON ONE SEVEN, WELL, FURTHER ON EX IT SAYS PLAN, SORRY, I'M MISSING IT.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE, UM, POLICIES, THIS PLAN SUPERSEDES ANY POLICIES IN CONFLICT WITH THOSE IN PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED PLANS.
SO THAT'S ON ONE SEVEN, FIRST PARAGRAPH, WHICH I THINK SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE NO LONGER APPROPRIATE AND WILL BE IN CONFLICT WITH BOTH THE LANGUAGE OF THIS PLAN AS WELL AS THE, UM, MAP.
I MEAN, I'M NOT, I I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO, TO REVIEWING THAT LANGUAGE AND I'M JUST QUESTIONING THAT WE'RE GONNA HIT THE INTENT OF IT.
AND I SEE THE RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER PLANS IS, IS ADDRESSING PLANS AS OPPOSED TO THINGS THAT ARE IN THE ZONING CODE, LIKE CHAPTER 51 P, LIKE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE INCORPORATE THIS LANGUAGE, IT, SINCE WE HAVE A SEPARATE PARAGRAPH OR SUBSECTION ADDRESSING THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN OUR ZONING CODE, THAT WE ALSO, WHEN WE ADDRESS PDS THERE, BECAUSE THE WORD PD DOESN'T APPEAR IN THE FOLLOWING SECTION, TALKING ABOUT PLANS, IT TALKS ABOUT PLANS NOT PDS.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT ON PDS IN THIS RELATIONSHIP TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
YEAH, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS PARAGRAPH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS IS PRETTY CLEARLY NEIGHBORHOOD PDS.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, NSOS AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LED EFFORTS, PUTTING PDS IN THERE.
UM, IN THE LANGUAGE OF THAT PARAGRAPH SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUSLY NEIGHBORHOOD PDS, UH, UM, I DON'T, I I DON'T SHARE COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S CONCERN THAT THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN OUTTA CONTEXT OR MISREAD.
AND GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE, THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENT, EVEN IF IT IS MISCONSTRUED BY SOMEBODY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, OUTCOME DETERMINATIVE OF WHAT THE BODY DOES WITH IT.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HAVE A, A SUGGESTED TWEAK, WHICH WOULD BE TO SAY, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT'S CONSERVATION NSOS AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LED EFFORTS, INCLUDING PDS REFLECT THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATIONS.
WOULD THAT BARK BETTER? THANK COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
YOU OKAY WITH THAT AMENDMENT? YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE, MR. KINGSTON.
IT ADDRESSES THE CONCERN RAISED BY COMMISSIONER RUBIN, VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IS OKAY WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, SEE NONE.
LET'S GO TO NUMBER TWO, ADDED HISTORICAL
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CO.UM, ADDITION ON THIS PAGE UNDER RELATIONSHIP TO ZONING, UM, WE ALREADY QUOTE THE, UM, ON PAGE ONE SIX, UNDER RELATIONSHIP TO ZONING.
WE ALREADY QUOTE THE CITY ORDINANCE ADDRESSING THE, UM, RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMP PLAN AND ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UH, PROPOSE THAT WE ALSO QUOTE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 2 1 3 0.002 C, WHICH READS A MUNICIPALITY MAY DEFINE IN ITS CHARTER OR BY ORDINANCE, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND MAY PROVIDE STANDARDS FOR DETERMINING THE CONSISTENCY REQUIRED BETWEEN A PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SO THAT THIS QUESTION THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, THAT'S THE LANGUAGE OF TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 2 1 3 0.002 C.
UM, ADD, IT'S ADD LANGUAGE QUOTING TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE TWO 13.002 C, WHICH READS A MUNICIPALITY MAY DEFINE IN ITS CHARTER OR BY ORDINANCE, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND MAY PROVIDE STANDARDS FOR DETERMINING THE CONSISTENCY REQUIRED BETWEEN A PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
AND THAT COMES BEFORE THE CITY ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE FROM OUR CITY, CITY CODE UNDER THE RELATIONSHIP TO ZONING PORTION UNDER ON PAGE ONE DASH SIX.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION, VICE RUBIN AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR A SECOND AT DISCUSSION.
AND THAT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION ABOUT CONFUSION, UM, ABOUT, UH, IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS, ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PLAN AND OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND ZONING.
AND I THINK THIS PROVISION OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE, THE, UM, LANGUAGE OF OUR CITY CODE AS WELL, WHICH MAKES CLEAR THAT THESE ARE GOT, THAT THE COMP PLANNER GUIDELINES AND NOT BINDING, WE CAN CONSIDER OTHER THINGS IN ADDITION TO OUR, UM, OUR, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BETWEEN THE, UM, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE LANGUAGE AND THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE USED IN OUR CITY CODE TO, UM, GIVE EFFECT TO THAT LANGUAGE FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
SEE? ALL, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? COMMISSIONERS IN ITEM NUMBER ONE? OKAY.
ADDED HISTORICAL CONTEXT AND TRENDS LANGUAGE.
YOU WANNA GET ANY OF THOSE INTO THE RECORD? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, NOT
UH, COMMISSIONERS, I'LL NEED A MOTION TO, UH, AMEND THE DOCUMENT PER THIS DOCUMENT.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR, RUBEN, FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION POINT OF CLARIFICATION? YES.
IF, IF WE DO HAVE COMMENTS, WE COULD BRING THOSE BACK AT A LATER DATE.
IT'S DENSE AND I THINK I AM GONNA HAVE COMMENTS.
IT IS, I'M NOT READY WITH LANGUAGE TODAY.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE EIGHT ITEMS OR SO THAT WE KIND OF GOT A CONSENSUS ON THE LAST TIME, BUT KNOWING FULL WELL THAT ONCE WE SEE THOSE WORDS ON THE DOCUMENT, WE MAY WANT TO TWEAK 'EM A BIT.
UM, ANDREA GALE'S PLANNING IN URBAN DESIGN.
I JUST WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY, SINCE SEVERAL OF YOU NOW MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD SOME EDITS.
I WOULD VERY MUCH ASK THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING OR UPCOMING MEETING OR BEFORE THE MEETING, THAT YOU HAVE THAT LANGUAGE FLESHED OUT.
SO IN THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER HERBERT HAD READ INTO THE RECORD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT ALL PIECED TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN, EVERYONE CAN SEE IT BEFOREHAND.
AND POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IS IT, UM, ACCEPTABLE IF WE DO SIMILAR? AND I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER HERBERT SENDING THAT, SEND A WRITTEN DRAFT FORM.
UM, RISK SKILL IS TO YOURSELF, MR. GU, COPY OF THE CHAIR, AND THEN WE CAN CIRCULATE SO THAT EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT
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IT IN REAL TIME AS WE'RE DEBATING IT.AND, AND JUST SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, WE DON'T, IF YOU WANNA JUST SEND US SORT OF EDITS LIKE CAPITALIZATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON IS
I, I NEED TO ACTUALLY READ THINGS AND THINK ABOUT IT.
AND, AND SO THE, THE IMPROVISATIONAL READING FOR ME, I NEED TO, IT DOESN'T WORK.
I HAD TO, SO I WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, RECEIVING EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE, LIKE COMMISSIONER HERBERT SENT THAT OUT.
UM, SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
AGAIN, WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT THIS IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ADJUSTMENTS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
GO TO NUMBER THREE, UPDATE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND EQUITY CONNECTIONS FOR THEMES ON TWO FOUR AND TWO 17.
SO ONE QUESTION ON THOSE, AND I WILL JUST SAY IN COMPARING THE CURRENT DRAFT TO THE PRIOR, THERE'S, UM, FORMATTING CHANGES THAT I WAS HAVING, DIFFICULTY I ALIGNING THE, NOT THAT, AGAIN, MOST I UNDERSTAND, I THINK WHY SOME OF IT'S DONE, BUT I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE TODAY.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE DEFER THIS ONE, WHICH I THINK IS A PRETTY, ONE OF OUR MORE SUBSTANTIVE ITEMS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE A MOTION.
I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A MOTION.
WELL, I WOULD APPRECIATE MY COMMISSIONER SUPPORTING THAT.
LIKE I SAID, THIS ONE WAS JUST VERY DENSE.
OKAY, THEN LET'S GO TO NUMBER FOUR, MR. CHAIR, TABLE NUMBER THREE.
IF, SO, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD VICE CHAIR RUBIN'S OR ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED THAT INCLUDED ALL THE UPDATED PINK LANGUAGE.
SO I, I GUESS IN SHORT, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY DONE THIS.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH TOPIC AND SAY, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY, IF YOU WANNA MAKE CHANGES, WE WOULD HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY DO THAT.
BUT IF IT'S JUST TO APPROVE THE PINK LANGUAGE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE BODY NEEDS TO DO THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO AS I, AND MAYBE I MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE CONFUSED, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE, WE LOOKED AT ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE A ADDED A HISTORICAL CONTEXT AND TRENDS LANGUAGE, AND IT'S ALL PINK, WHICH MEANS IT WAS AN U WAS UPDATED LANGUAGE FROM THE, FROM THIS DRAFT COMPARED TO THE MOST RECENT ONE.
AND I I, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE BODY JUST TRIED TO AMEND, ADOPT THIS PINK LANGUAGE.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS I UNDERSTOOD VICE CHAIR RUBIN'S ORIGINAL MOTION WAS INCLUDED ALL OF THIS LANGUAGE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO, AND I SEE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAYING NO.
SO IF THAT'S NOT HOW VICE CHAIR RUBIN'S OR ORIGINAL MOTION WAS UNDERSTOOD BY THE BODY, I WILL DEFER.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
IF THAT WAS HIS MOTION, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND I WOULD LIKE TO, YEAH, I I THINK WE JUST TAKE HIM ONE AT A TIME AND YEAH, JUST TAKE IT SLOWLY.
UM, AND AGAIN, JUST LIKE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE, UH, ARE COMPLICATED AND SO HAPPY TO TABLE THOSE NUMBER FOUR.
ARE WE, ARE WE ON NUMBER FOUR? YES.
ADDED EMPHASIS ON TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS.
HOW ARE WE FEELING ABOUT THAT? I HAVE NO CHANGES TODAY.
ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT TODAY? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? MY APOLOGIES.
I HAD TIME TO REVIEW THE TOD ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT WAS A HUGE ASPECT FOR MY COMMUNITY, AND I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES TO YOU.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.
I THINK THAT WHEN WE, WE, UM, I WANNA ASK THE QUESTION, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING, UH, LAND USE MIX WITHIN THE TLD CENTERS, UM, I, UM, I WOULD WANT, UH, I GUESS IN SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MIXED USE.
UM, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, GLASS, GLASS, UH, ZONING, UH, LAST HEARING, UM, PUT
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SOME LANGUAGE IN TO A, A DEVELOPMENT THAT WERE, IT WOULD NOT, UM, BE A BURDEN ON A DEVELOPER THAT, WHERE THERE CAN BE THE SHARED WORKSPACE, BUT IT WOULD, UM, UNTIL A DEVELOPMENT GETS TO A CERTAIN AREA.IS THAT CONSIDERED, I, I'M NOT FOR SURE.
UM, CAN YOU KIND OF COMMENT ON THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE A, A, A TOTAL, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW, DEVELOP A, A DEVELOPER IN THE BEGINNING, WHICH WOULD LEAD THEM TO HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVE HOUSING, UM, AND COMMERCIAL TYPES MIXED IN.
SO YOU'RE ASKING HOW WE CAN WORK SIMILAR CONCEPTS INTO TODS? YES.
BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE WOULD BE, UM, THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU, THAT YOU CAN, THAT YOU UNIQUE SPEND THAT YOU GAVE US LAST TIME THAT WE, I MEAN, I DEFINITELY HAVE SUGGESTIONS.
I WOULD NEED SOME TIME TO CRAFT A LANGUAGE ON IT IF WE WANTED TO HOLD IT, OR I MAY HAVE BEEN MORE THAN WILLING TO OFFER UP SOME STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, UM, ANDREA WAS HERE LAST TIME, UH, OR PATRICK, WHEN KIND OF, CAN YOU GIVE A REFERENCE TO THAT LANG KIND OF THE LANGUAGE YOU DID? IT WAS CONCERNING THE SHARED WORK ON ONE SIDE.
UM, UNTIL DEVELOPMENT GETS TO THAT POINT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DISTRICT THAT HAS A LOT OF, OF, UH, MIXED USE AND SOME OF THE RETAIL ON GROUND AND, AND, AND IT'S SUFFERING WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE, UM, TENANTS YET.
SO THE CONCEPT WAS IF THE GOLD STANDARD IS TO HAVE STREET ACTIVATING USES IN MIXED USE PROJECTS, BUT THE CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS DON'T MAKE THAT POSSIBLE, HOW CAN YOU STILL NOT INHIBIT DEVELOPMENT? MEANING PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT TODAY IN 20 24, 25, UM, BUT DO IT IN SUCH A WAY WHERE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THOSE SPACES COULD THEN ADAPT AND MORPH TO A HEAVIER COMMERCIAL USE.
ONE OF THE CORE WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT THE BUILDING SHELL, UM, IS SORT OF COMMERCIAL READY AT A FUTURE DATE.
AND ONE OF THE CURRENT USES THAT CAN STRADDLE BOTH WORLDS IS A LIVE WORK CONCEPT.
SO YOU'RE HAVING A STREET LEVEL RESIDENTIAL THAT MAY HAVE SOME STREET ACTIVATING COMPONENT TO IT.
THE OTHER CONCEPT THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE GROUND FLOOR ACCESS TO THE UNITS AS OPPOSED TO ONE ENTRANCE.
AND THEN ACCESSING THOSE, THOSE, UH, LIVE WORKSPACES FROM SAY, A CENTRAL CORRIDOR INTERIOR TO THE BUILDING.
YOU REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE ENTRANCE EGRESSES OUT ONTO THE STREET.
SO THOSE WERE TWO OF THE CORE CONCEPTS THAT WE, WE, UH, USED IN THAT IN ZONING CASE.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT WAS SAID BY YOU, UM, THAT THAT, THAT THIS CAN BE INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE WORKING ON OUR AREA PLAN RIGHT NOW, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PATRICK OR ANDREA WAS HERE AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF IN THAT WRITING, UM, WOULD REALLY PLAY A KEY ON ATTRACTING DEVELOPERS THAT WHO, OO OTHERWISE WOULD NOT WANNA DO A MIXED USE COMMUNITY.
EVEN IF IT'S CLOSE TO A TOD BECAUSE OF THE FUR, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO OCCUPY OR USE THOSE SPACES.
AND, UM, I DIDN'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE, BUT I DEFINITELY CALLED LINDSAY AND SAID WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE, THE, THE HEARING SO THAT YOU ALL CAN HEAR THAT AND THAT, AND THAT WORKS, I THINK ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.
UM, BUT IF YOU CAN GET THAT LANGUAGE, 'CAUSE THAT WAS REALLY A PIVOTAL POINT WHEN YOU INTRODUCED THAT, THAT, THAT I, I COULD SEE SOME ADDING IT WHERE MAYBE IT SAYS, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE TODAY? I MEAN, IF WE HAD SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT RECOGNIZES THAT ALTHOUGH WE MAY NOT HAVE A MARKET CONDITIONS THAT COULD SUPPORT, UM, COMMERCIAL SPACES, UH, THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THEM THERE SOMEDAY.
AND WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE WOULD YEAH.
IMPLEMENT TODAY TO HELP US GET TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA JUST CALL IT THE GOLD STANDARD OR THE, YOU KNOW, OVERARCHING GOAL.
UM, YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND COMMISSIONER SCHOCK, I THINK WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE, UM, EITHER IN THIS SECTION SPECIFICALLY OR IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION WHERE WE GET AT THE SAME CONCEPT OF, IT MAY NOT BE COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE CREATING A CODE AND CREATING A DEVELOPMENT AROUND TOD TO, TO SPEAK TO BOTH OF YOUR POINTS.
I THINK WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
SO THERE WAS A CASE THAT WE HAD LAST, ON THE LAST THREE, OUR LAST HEARING, AND IT WAS RELATED TO THAT.
AND THAT LANGUAGE WAS KIND OF PUT INTO PLACE AND IT WOULD, IT IS HELPING, UM, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT SAT, I THINK IT WAS ON THE, THE SIDE STREET, NOT THE, IT WAS BECKLEY AND BECKLEY AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SIDE STREET, BUT THE SIDE STREET WAS FIFTH AND SIXTH BECKLEY ON JUAN AND ZANG.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT ON THE SIDE STREET IT WOULD HAVE A LIVE WORK UNTIL IT CAN GET TO THAT.
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AND I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY OF ATTRACTING ALL KIND OF BUSINESSES THAT COULD HAVE THAT COMBINATION.A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER THAT JUST NEEDS A LITTLE SPACE BUT WANNA LIVE AND IT CUTS AND IT, IT GIVES AN AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE ABILITY, UM, AND ADDS OUR, IT WILL HELP US IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROCESS BECAUSE IF I CAN LIVE AND WORK IN THE SAME PLACE NOW, IT SAVES ME INCOME AND IT'S FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU TWO WOULDN'T MIND EITHER FINDING THE LANGUAGE OF THAT CASE SPECIFICALLY JUST AND PROVIDING THAT TO US SO WE CAN THEN FIND A WAY TO INCORPORATE EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL ARE MENTIONING, UH, SO WE'RE NOT GUESSING.
I, I WANNA, I, I DEFINITELY, UM, PUD, WHICH WAS, I MEAN, PATRICK AND LINDSEY BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR HOUSING AND I REALLY THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERABLE IN, IN SOUTH DALLAS.
ANDOUT, THE WHOLE CITY THOUGH.
NO, I DON'T THINK I'M READY TO VOTE ON THIS ITEM TODAY.
I HAVE SOME PAUSE ABOUT THE LAST PARAGRAPH.
IT SEEMS FAIRLY DISMISSIVE OF THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, I'M NOT SURE IT, IT RECOGNIZES THAT A THIRD OF THE LAND AROUND RAIL STATIONS IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO SOLVE FOR WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH BEING QUITE SO DISMISSIVE TO THOSE COMMUNITIES.
I THINK THAT LANGUAGE IS PRETTY RUDE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FALLBACK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UM, UM, I THINK ONE THING I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND IS WE'VE, UM, AGAIN, HAVE REFERENCE TO VACANT OR UNDEVELOPED LAND.
I THINK AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN OTHER SECTIONS, VACANT CAN MEAN A LOT OF THINGS.
AND I DID GO BACK AND I APPRECIATE HAVING THE GLOSSARY NOW 'CAUSE IT IS DEFINED IN THE GLOSSARY.
UM, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT WE, UM, SOMETIMES CONSIDER SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, AS OF THE PASSAGE OF THIS ORDINANCE, SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY LAND CAN BE MADE VACANT.
AND I THINK HOW WE DEFINE THAT, I THINK I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THE INTENT IS AND I, I I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S MIXED USE FLEXIBILITY, UM, WHERE MARKET ISSUES AREN'T THERE.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE ITEMS. I JUST, I FEEL LIKE THOSE TWO PARAGRAPHS, UM, MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I THINK THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR MISUNDERSTANDING IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THEME BECAUSE I THINK TO MOST PEOPLE, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT MEANS THE AREA AROUND DART STATIONS, THE PARKING LOTS, AND PERHAPS SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY AROUND IT.
AND IN FACT, THE SECOND PINK PARAGRAPH HERE SAYS THE LAND WITHIN TOD AREAS THEN IN, IN, UM, PERRAN HALF MILE OF DART RAIL STATIONS AND, AND ALL THE FIGURES THAT COME ALONG AFTERWARDS THAT REALLY UNDERSTATES WHERE THIS COULD APPLY.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK IN THE GLOSSARY OR YOU LOOK OVER UNDER, DO YOU, DID YOU KNOW IN THE SECOND, UH, IN THIS ON PAGE TWO SIX, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS A TOD CAN BE FOCUSED AROUND LIGHT RAIL STATIONS AS WELL AS MAJOR BUS NODES, BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAILS.
AND IF, IF, IF WE'RE BEING DISMISSIVE OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN HALF A MILE OF ALL THOSE THINGS, I MEAN, THAT COVERS A GREAT DEAL OF THE CITY.
I MEAN, YOU JUST TAKE THE DART STATIONS ALONE AND YOU DRAW, YOU KNOW, HALF A MILE CIRCLES AROUND THEM AND THEN YOU GO TO MAJOR BUS NODES.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A MAJOR BUS NODE IS IF THAT'S, IF YOU'RE NEAR A HOSPITAL WHERE THERE'S FAIRLY FREQUENT BUS SERVICE, DOES THAT, I MEAN, IT IT PUTS A LOT OF IT, IT, IT ADDS A LOT OF AMBIGUITY.
SO I, I'M, I'M THINKING PERHAPS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A CLEARER EXPRESSION OF, OF WHAT THE EXTENT OF THIS COULD BE.
BECAUSE I THINK WHEN PEOPLE HEAR TRANSITORY DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE JUST THINKING DART RAILS.
AND THIS, THIS ONE PARAGRAPH ABOUT THE LAND WITHIN DART TOD AREAS, VERY MUCH UNDERSTATES HOW MUCH LAND THIS, THIS THEME COULD ENCOMPASS SKILL US.
SO BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS, I WOULD ASK THAT I'M HEARING FROM COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THAT YOU WANNA SEE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE IN HERE.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT COMING INTO THAT, IF YOU ALL COULD WORK TOGETHER TO GET SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOR THIS SECTION, UM, SO THAT THE BODY CAN DIGEST IT, UM, BECAUSE WE CAN TALK, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE POINTED OUT A LOT OF CONCERNS, BUT UNTIL WE CAN SEE THAT ACTUAL LANGUAGE, I THINK IT'S
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GONNA BE HARD FOR US TO, TO NAIL THIS ONE DOWN.WELL, COULD I, WE TRIED TO MAKE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS AT HEARING WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I THINK Y'ALL NEED TO DELI TO BRING SOMETHING TO US, IF I MAY.
I THINK IT WOULD ALSO HELP US TO HEAR A CLARIFICATION OF INTENT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE PUD STAFF.
BECAUSE IF, IF THE REALLY THE INTENT IS TO DISCOURAGE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING WITHIN HALF A MILE OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES, THAT'S NOT, SO THIS IS A DESCRIPTION OF CURRENT CONDITION CONDITIONS, EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, I THINK ONE OF THE, THE COMMENTS HAS BEEN FROM THE COMMUNITY, OH, PUT ALL YOUR DENSITY IN OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
THIS IS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT A LARGE PORTION OF OUR TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT AREAS ARE ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND THEY HAVE SINGLE FAMILY USES.
SO JUST TO SAY DUMP YOUR DENSITY THERE, I THINK IS NOT, I'M LOOKING AT IT IN A SENSE OF THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS THAT I DON'T THINK, AND THAT'S WHY IN THE IMPLEMENTATION AREAS, IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION FOR TOD IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THESE AREAS AND WE NEED TO DO MORE STRATEGIC PLANS FOR THOSE STATION AREAS.
IT'S NOT AT ALL INTENDED TO SAY OR BE DISMISSIVE OF.
AND IF THAT'S HOW IT COMES ACROSS, WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE IT WAS TO COME ACROSS THAT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THERE IS A LOT OF SINGLE EXISTING, SINGLE FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IN THOSE AREAS.
SO WE CAN'T JUST SAY, PUT IT THERE WITHOUT FURTHER ANALYSIS.
IF I MAY, I, I THINK THE DISCONNECT HERE MAY BE THAT I THINK FOR THE LAY PERSON, I MEAN THE PEOPLE THAT I TALK TO WHEN THEY HEAR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, THEIR MIND SAYS DART STATION, DART STATION AND PARKING LOT.
AND LIKE I SAY, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF THE COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY'RE NOT THINKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WITHIN WHAT WE COULD BE CONSIDERED WALKING DISTANCE.
SO I'M THINKING THAT PLANNING STAFF AND ORDINARY NON PLANNING STAFF PEOPLE ARE, ARE JUST SEEING DIFFERENT AREAS WHEN THEY HEAR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT MAKES THAT CLEAR BECAUSE THE STANDARD IN THE WORLD, LIKE THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT WORLD IS TOD IS HALF MILE FROM A TRANSIT STATION.
SO IF WE WANNA HANDLE THAT DIFFERENTLY HERE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'VE ADDED IN, BECAUSE THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, THE MIXED USE CENTERS, THE CITY CENTERS, THAT THERE ARE VARYING SCALES DEPENDING ON HOW YOU'VE GOT THE ENVIRONMENT BUILT OUT.
SO SOME OF THOSE IMAGES THAT, YOU KNOW, YES, WHEN SOME PEOPLE HEAR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, THEY JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY 40 UNITS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT UNITS MIXED OR ALL THE DIFFERENT USES MIXED IN.
BUT THE REALITY IN DALLAS IS THAT'S NOT THE CASE BECAUSE WE HAVE VARYING SCALES AND OUR TRANSIT STATIONS WERE NOT NECESSARILY PLACED IN AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAXIMIZE RIDERSHIP.
I CAN SEE THERE BEING DIFFERENT, UM, GUIDELINES FOR TRANSIT STATIONS THAT ARE IN THE MIDST OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHERS THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OR UNDEVELOPED.
AND THERE SHOULD BE, I'LL DEFINITELY, SO IF WE NEED TO MAKE THAT MORE CLEAR, EVEN FOR MAY EVEN MORE CLEAR, OR IF IT'S COMING ACROSS AS THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT IS, THEN THEN WE NEED, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER SHARP, IF THE INTENT IS TO GET MORE CLARITY, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO USE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE LIKE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORKS OR WHATEVER, AND PLACE MORE EMPHASIS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT DART AND A HALF MILE, BUT IF THE INTENT IS TO RE-LOOK AT THIS AND THEN DIAL IT BACK TO JUST A HALF MILE WITHIN DART, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I REALLY THINK THIS IS WITH REGARDS TO DENSITY, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT.
THIS IS OUR PATH INTO, UM, INTO DENSITY IN A CONTEXT SENSITIVE WAY.
AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO PROBABLY BE BETTER PUBLIC EDUCATION ON EXPLAINING THAT.
THAT ALSO INCLUDES BUS NETWORKS AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION NETWORK OUTSIDE OF JUST RAIL.
SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, NOT SUPPORTIVE OF DIALING THIS BACK JUST TO BE THE TRADITIONAL INTERPRETATION OF A HALF MILE FROM A DART RAIL STATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE.
WELL, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.
I APPRECIATE THE OBSERVATIONS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UH, I WAS NOT AWARE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A ONE HALF MILE RADIUS.
I'M, I READ THIS AND I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING LOT IN A DART STATION.
BUT ANYWAY, NEVERTHELESS, I'LL MAKE A, I'LL MAKE A REMARK BASICALLY IN THAT CONTEXT, IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF MY DISTRICT.
UM, THIS SECTION READS TO ME THAT IF WE CAN GET THE ZONING RIGHT AROUND OUR, OUR TRANSIT LINES, THEN WE'VE SOLVED THE PROBLEM.
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IN MY DISTRICT, WE'VE HAD STATIONS LANGUISH FOR DECADES, AND SO I WOULD BE VERY OPEN TO LANGUAGE THAT AT LEAST REFERENCES ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, ECONOMIC PARTNERSHIPS WITH DART TAX CREDITS, OTHER TOOLS OUTSIDE OF THIS LAND USE DOCUMENT THAT I THINK MAY VERY WELL BE REQUIRED TO GET THE KIND OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT WE NEED.UH, I JUST DON'T SEE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IN THIS CITY HAVING MUCH REGARD FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, HENCE MARKING MOCKINGBIRD STATION AND I CAN'T REALLY NAME ANY OTHERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I I THINK WE'VE GOT A, AN ISSUE HERE THAT'S BIGGER THAN JUST THE LAND USE ISSUE.
AND, AND MIGHT I JUST REFER YOU TO PAGE FOUR EIGHT? WE DID ADD IN THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE BASED ON COMMENTS.
I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON ABOUT WANTING TO, IT, IT, AGAIN, NOT JUST BEING LAND USE AND ZONING, BUT SOME INCENTIVIZING.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE ADDED, UM, ACTION STEP THREE AND FOUR ON PAGE FOUR THROUGH EIGHT TO TRY TO GET AT SOME OF THAT, UM, ABOUT THE INCENTIVIZING AND THEN MAYBE SOME ZONING WITHIN AND OF ITSELF WITHIN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE TAILORED.
SO I WOULD JUST, IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE HOLD THIS ITEM, UM, I WOULD THINK ABOUT ANY LANGUAGE THAT GOES INTO THE THEME FOR TOD AND THEN SOME OF THESE OTHER RELATED AND, UM, EDITS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED, UM, IN THIS LATEST DRAFT.
UM, I DEFINITELY, BECAUSE YOU, WE HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, A TOD PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED SOME YEARS BACK FOR, I WANNA, OH, UM, I THINK WE CALLED IT PILOT POINT.
IS THAT THE NAME OF, UH, MR. LAWSON'S GROUP? PILOT POINT, PO POINT? WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S THE NAME OF HIS GROUP? SOUTH POINT? YEAH, SOUTH POINT, SOUTH POINT THAT IS AROUND THE DART MLK STATION THAT, UM, QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GETTING TOGETHER RIGHT NOW AND IS ASKING, UH, CITY STAFF TO LEAD THE, TO WORKING WITH CITY STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN GET THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THESE ARE LEGACY OWNERS WHO'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY SOME 50 PLUS YEARS WHO OWN QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY AROUND A TOD THAT HAS NEVER LED TO DEVELOPMENT.
AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GETTING TOGETHER AND THEY WANT THESE TYPE OF TOOLS AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN PLACE THAT WILL, WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD RIGHT NOW AND DEVELOP AN AREA THAT IS GOING TO HAVE THAT AFFORDABILITY, SOME MIXED USE ASPECTS, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO SOME BUILDINGS THAT THEY HAVE TURN DOWN AND ADD TO SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME MORE DENSITY, AFFORDABILITY, UM, MORE RETAIL AND, AND, UM, OFFICE SPACES THAT ARE SO MISSING IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT THESE TYPE OF TOOLS BEING IN PLACE WITH THE RIGHT LANGUAGE COULD HAVE PUT THEM FURTHER, UM, FORWARD THAN WHERE THEY'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
THEY LITERALLY HAD TO, HAD TO FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL JUST TO GET ON SOMEONE BOOKS TO BE EVEN HAVE THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION FOR A TOD THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO, UM, I I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A PRIME EXAMPLE OF, OF WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS COULD DO TO A TOD.
UM, I THINK PATRICK MAYBE GIVE US SOME BETTER UNDERSTANDING TO HOW THAT, HOW THE ZONING, HOW THE TOD THAT'S IN PLACE, BUT THE ZONING IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THAT, HOW THEY'RE WORKING TO GET THAT DONE.
AND, AND, AND WE WILL INTRODUCE AFFORDABILITY BECAUSE THE RIGHT DEVELOPERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS OWN THE PRINT LAND NOW.
YES, COMMISSIONER, I, I THINK THE TWO STATION OR THE THREE STATIONS IN, UM, IN SOUTH DALLAS, THE, THE TRANSIT STATIONS ARE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE ZONING NOT MATCHING THE PLAN AND NOT BEING CONDUCIVE TO, UM, TO TOD DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND TO, UH, COMMISSIONER'S HOUSEWIFE POINT, I THINK EVEN WHERE THERE ARE SOME POSSIBILITIES THERE WHERE THEY DO HAVE SOME ZONING, IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN PART BECAUSE OF OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON.
UM, AND, AND TO, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S POINT ABOUT UNDERSTANDING TOD, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW IT'S TRANSIT TRAILS, HIGH FREQUENCY BUS STOPS IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE ALL THINK OF TOD AS MOCKINGBIRD STATION, BUT WHEN PEOPLE COME TO DALLAS AND WHO ARE EXPERTS IN TOD, THEY TALK ABOUT THE KATY TRAIL AND THAT THE KATY TRAIL HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT SPURRED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE TRAIL.
AND THOSE TRAIL HEADS THAT WE DON'T TRADITIONALLY IN DALLAS, THINK OF AS TOD COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
UM, WE HAVE A PROJECT CURRENTLY THAT'S PROBABLY COMING SOON, THE WESTMORELAND STATION, AND THAT STATION TOOK CREATIVITY FROM DART DISD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, A PROPOSAL WAS PUT OUT, DEVELOPER PICKED UP THE PROPOSAL
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AND HAD TO CHANGE A COUPLE TIMES BECAUSE OF CHANGE OF LAWS AND CHANGES, THINGS LIKE THAT.SO AS WE LOOK AT THESE TODS, WE DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT AS EASY AS WE EXPECT ACCORDING TO THE LANDOWNERS AND TO THE, THE AREA THAT HALF MILE BETWEEN HERE AND THE TOD OR WHATEVER IT ARE WE REFERRING TO EMPTY LAND OR LAND THAT EXISTS OR HOMES THAT EXIST.
CAN THAT BE CLARIFIED OR DOES IT NEED TO BE EVEN? THANK YOU, MR. BLAIR.
I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE LISTENING TO EVERYBODY ABOUT TODS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, WHAT IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT.
I'VE GOT ONE THAT HAS A WHOLE LOT OF LAND.
UM, IT DIDN'T HAVE A MAJOR TOD, THE, THE LAND USE HAS CHANGED.
IT NEEDS TO BE ACTIVATED FOR A UNIVERSITY AND IT HAS LAND THAT HAS BEEN ZONED THAT'S IN THE INAPPROPRIATELY ZONED.
AND I'M SITTING HERE AND I'M THINKING, HOW DO I, HOW, HOW DO I EXPLAIN THIS WHERE WE ARE TODAY? BECAUSE WHERE WE ARE TODAY FOR EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT AND NOTHING THAT ANYONE WRITES IS GOING TO BE RIGHT FOR EVERYONE.
SO WHEN I'M READING WHERE WE ARE TODAY, I, I THINK I I PART OF ME SAYS THAT WE NEED TO DIAL IT BACK AND BE A MORE BROADER INCLUSIVE, UM, EXPLANATION OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY OR WE NEED TO, AND BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SAY DISTRICT NINE LOOKS LIKE THIS.
DISTRICT 11 LOOKS LIKE THIS, DISTRICT EIGHT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
DISTRICT THREE LOOKS LIKE THIS.
DISTRICT FOUR WANTS TO GO HERE, DISTRICT SEVEN NEEDS TO GO THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO IF WE DIAL BACK AND SAY THAT THAT TODS TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE, HERE'S THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION, UM, TODS SHOULD BE A HALF AN AIR HALF A MILE FROM A, A DART RAIL WE NEED TO STATION.
AND THAT TODS TODAY MAY LOOK DIFFERENT BASED ON NEEDS AND USE OF TODAY AND WHERE WE, WHERE AND WHERE.
THE LAST CHECK PARAGRAPH SAYS, WHERE, ALTHOUGH OPPORTUNITY EXISTED WHERE LAND USE AND ZONING BARRIERS TO REALIZE THE POTENTIAL, DA, DA DA DA DA.
WHAT I'M HEARING FOR FOR MY DISTRICT IS DUMP, DUMP, DUMP, DUMP, DUMP.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND IN NEAR THE DARK, NEAR THE UNTD STATION, IT NEEDS TO BE EXTREMELY THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED NO MATTER WHAT IS ZONED TODAY, BECAUSE THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS FOR BEAUTIFUL GROWTH, BEAUTIFUL DESIGN MOCKINGBIRD STATION ISH, BECAUSE THAT AREA IS, IT NEEDS TO BE YOUTHFUL BECAUSE IT'S AT A UNIVERSITY AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS TO IN, TO ACTIVATE THAT TYPE OF USE.
JUST BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERY AREA IN, IN DISTRICT ONE.
IT, YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE WHAT, WHAT HALF OF US DON'T HAVE.
UM, SO JUST MAKE IT HIGH, HIGH, HIGH, BUT, BUT GIVE IT ENOUGH DEPTH THAT SAYS IT'S BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WE NEED TO DEFINE AND FIGURE IT OUT AND DO IT ASAP.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, A MAJORITY.
I'M NOT QUITE READY TO, TO VOTE ON IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO VOTE IT DOWN.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, YOU STILL HAVE THE MOTION OR IT'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT NEED TO BE HAD AND I'D LIKE TO PULL MY MOTION.
YOU OKAY WITH THAT? ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL TABLE ITEM.
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A QUICK DECISION COMMISSIONERS.I LOOK FORWARD TO READING YOUR, UH, YOUR LANGUAGE, YOUR PROPOSED LANGUAGE ON THIS.
LET'S GET THAT INTO STAFF PLEASE.
THREE AND FOUR HAVE BEEN TABLED TEXAS 10.
NUMBER FIVE, UPDATED DEFINITION OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY USE UPDATES TO THE PLACE TYPE LAND USE MATRIX ON THREE SIX AND THREE SEVEN.
RUBEN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION SIMPLY ON THE DEFINITION SECTION TO APPROVE THAT NOT ON THE MATRIX BENEATH IT.
THE DEFINITION DEFINING PRIMARY AND SECONDARY USE SECOND TO.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS, JUST FOR THE, THE TWO DEFINITIONS THERE.
I THINK WE TALKED THIS ONE TO DEATH AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AS LONG AS WE CHANGE THE SPELLING OF COMPLIMENT TO HAVE AN E IN THE MIDDLE
ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SCO NUMBER SIX, UPDATED CONTEXT LANGUAGE.
WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF.
CAN I MAKE AN AMENDMENT PLEASE ON THE MATRIX, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
UH, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION.
I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION BY, IN THE PLACE TYPES LAND USE MATRIX ON PAGE THREE DASH SIX, REMOVE COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED LAND USE CATEGORY, REMOVE TRIPLEXES AND COTTAGE COURTS FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED CATEGORY AND ADD CLUSTERED HOUSING TO MULTIPLEX.
ALSO, I WOULD PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF MULTIPLEX TO FEWER THAN EIGHT UNITS IN THE DEFINITION OF MULTIFAMILY FROM NINE OR MORE DWELLING UNITS INSTEAD OF FROM 10 OR MORE DRILLING UNITS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK ON MY MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MOTION.
YOU SAID MORE THAN EIGHT? YEAH, THE MIC CHANGE DEFINITION OF MULTIPLEX TO FEWER THAN EIGHT UNITS AND THE DEFINITION OF MULTIFAMILY FROM, UH, TO BE FROM NINE OR MORE DWELLING UNITS, THAT LEAVES OUT ANY EIGHT PLEXES.
DO YOU INTEND TO DO THAT? THE FEWER THAN NINE WOULD BE THE, WELL CAN I, UH, AMEND THAT TO EIGHT OR FEWER? OKAY.
I'M JUST, CAN I AMEND THAT TO EIGHT OR FEWER? I I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT WAS WHAT YOU INTENDED.
I, I I MEANT EIGHT, EIGHT OR FEWER FEWER THAN EIGHT.
THE, UH, CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF MULTIPLEX TO EIGHT ARE FEWER UNITS.
AND THEN THE DEFINITION OF MULTIFAMILY TO BE FROM NINE OR MORE DWELLING UNITS.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, I BELIEVE IT'S EIGHT AND EIGHT.
SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A GAP IN THE NUMBER.
EIGHT, IF YOUR EIGHT OR FEWER EIGHT, EIGHT ARE FEWER WOULD BE MULTIPLEX AND THEN NINE OR MORE AND NINE OR MORE WOULD BE A, A MULTIFAMILY.
AND AND, AND THE REASON WHY I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD CLUSTERED HOUSING TO MULTIPLEX IS, IS THAT I, I GUESS THEY NEED A SECOND BEFORE YOU KNOW I PROCEED.
I I WILL SECOND IT SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON THIS.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECONDED THE MOTION, UH, COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER FORESITE? YES, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE DEFINITION OF CLUSTERED HOUSING THAT'S IN THE GLOSSARY SECTION OF THE FORD DALLAS PLAN.
IF YOU GO TO PAGE GA DASH SIX, IT STATES CLUSTERED HOUSING REFERS TO A RANGE OF MULTI-UNIT HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO FIT WITHIN THE SCALE AND FORM OF DETACHED TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THESE HOUSING TYPES, WHICH INCLUDE OPTIONS LIKE DUPLEXES, FOURPLEXES, COTTAGE COURTS, COURTYARD BUILDINGS, ARE INTEGRATED INTO WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SUPPORT DIVERSE HOUSING NEEDS AND PROMOTE WALKABILITY.
SO BASICALLY CLO CO COTTAGE HOMES ARE FIT IN THIS CLUSTERED HOUSING CATEGORY, YOU KNOW, SO THEY BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, SHOULD FALL WITHIN THIS CATEGORY UNDER MULTIPLEX.
AND IT COULD AND, AND IT COULD EXIST, BUT IT, IT SHOULD JUST BE A SECONDARY LAND USE.
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CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY PIECES TO YOU OKAY.WITH THAT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S, YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO TAKE OUT THE DEFINITION OF MULTIPLEX, UH, TO FEWER, IF WE COULD JUST GO ONE AT A TIME AND THAT WAY WE CAN CAN OH, OKAY.
MR. MOORE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE MOTION TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION WORKS? YEAH.
SO IT WOULD JUST, YOU WOULD VOTE ON EACH COMPONENT PART INDIVIDUALLY RATHER THAN TAKING IT AS A WHOLE.
ESSENTIALLY LESS COMPLEX FOR US TO CONSIDER.
COMMISSIONER, YOU OKAY WITH THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THOUGH THOUGH THAT WITH MULTIPLEX, THAT SHOULD REALLY BE TRIPLEX UP TO THE EIGHT UNITS.
I MEAN THAT THERE'S NO NEED TO PUT TRIPLEX UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ATTACHED WHEN IT FITS UNDER MULTIPLEX.
AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE.
AND, AND THEN AGAIN, THE COTTAGE COURTS, WHICH WE'VE ADDED, UH, IN THIS VERSION OF THE PLAN, UH, TO ME THAT IS, UH, FITS UNDER THE DEFINITION THAT WE JUST READ OF CLUSTERED HOUSING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SHOULD JUST BE, GO ALONG WITH MULTIPLEX.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO, UH, LET'S ONLY DISCUSS THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACH, THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU WANNA MAKE THERE.
COMMISSIONER, IF YOU DON'T MIND READING THOSE IN THERE, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL GO TO THE REST, PLEASE.
UH, I, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION BY, IN THE PLACE TYPES LAND USE MATRIX ON PAGE THREE SIX, REMOVE COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LAND USE CATEGORY.
CAN I GET A SECOND FOR THAT? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? SECONDED THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER TO THAT? UH, I, I, I, I'VE ALWAYS STATED MY REASONING.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M HEARING THIS RIGHT.
SO IN THE, SO WE WILL NOT, SO YOU CAN'T, YOU WON'T BE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE CONSIDERATION WILL BE FOR NOT BUILDING TINY HOMES.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BE A SECONDARY LAND USE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PLACE TYPE, NOT A PRIMARY.
SO SOME PARTS OF THAT I AGREE WITH, BUT SOME PARTS I DON'T.
IN COMMUNITIES WHERE WE CAN, WHERE, BECAUSE ARE, WE, WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW AND FUTURE, UM, PEOPLE ARE MOVING TOWARDS TINIER HOMES.
AND SO TINY, THE TINY HOME FACTOR OF IT.
AND WHAT EL THE, UH, COTTAGES, UM, I, I, I, I BELIEVE SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO BE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU GO TO TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLEXES, UM, THE MULTIPLEXES AND THE, UM, CLUSTERED HOUSING, CLUSTER HOUSING BEING REPLACED, MULTIPLEX BEING REPLACED WITH CLUSTER HOUSING? NO, NO.
IT CLUSTER HOUSING WOULD BE ADDED TO THE DEFINITION OF, IN THAT CATEGORY WHERE IT SAYS MULTIPLEX, IT WOULD BE MULTIPLEXES, UH, PLUS CLUSTERED HOUSING.
BUT WHEN WE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SINGLE FAMILY THOUGH, SINGLE FAMILY REMOVING, REMOVING THOSE SINGLE, UM, DWELLING UNITS FROM SINGLE FAMILY.
I, I, I CAN'T CONCUR WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE I DO KNOW.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, RIGHT? I THINK I'M GOING RIGHT.
I'M, IF I'M TALKING, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY IN AREAS WHERE WE CAN PUT A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, I MEAN A TINY HOME COMMUNITY, UM, WHICH THEY ARE BUILDING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, HEY, I LIKE TINY HOMES AS COLLEGE STUDENTS, SINGLE FAM, FIRST SINGLE, SINGLE, UM, PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, MAYBE NOT MARRIED YET, ARE LOOKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT CAN REDUCE OUR HOUSING MARKET.
EVERY ONE OF SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANNA LIVE IN AN APARTMENT, ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE A, A TINY HOME.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN MOVE, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE IN GOOD, GOOD FAITH GOING FOR OUR FUTURE TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY.
WELL, AM I RIGHT? UH, YEAH, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH.
SO SOME OF THE ONES THAT'S SINGLE, UM, I, I, I JUST, I CAN'T SAY REMOVE, BUT I DO LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH WHAT WE CONSIDER A, A MULTIPLEX AND WHAT YOU CONSIDER A, UM, MULTIFAMILY.
I, I DO, I DO THINK THAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THANK YOU.
UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I THINK THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT WE ADOPTED TODAY THAT, UM, SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT, UM, WE SHOULD GIVE CONSIDERATION TO WHERE THINGS LIKE CLUSTER HOUSING, SHARED ACCESS HOUSING, COTTAGE COURTS GO
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AND SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZES THAT, UM, FORMER CIVIC OR INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT THOSE.AND KIND OF LIKE COMMISSIONER WHEELER SAID, I THINK THAT COLLEGE COURTS AND TINY HOME COMMUNITIES ARE SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
THERE ARE AN AVENUE TO PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
IT'S FRANKLY, A WAY TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO REMAIN IN THEIR COMMUNITIES WHEN THEY CAN NO LONGER CONTINUE TO MANAGE THE LARGER HOMES THAT THEY WANT STAYED IN.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS, WE'RE SEEING A TREND WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT SETTLING THEIR LARGER HOMES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PLACE TO MOVE INTO.
WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THE TYPE OF SENIOR, SMALLER SENIOR HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AS ANOTHER OPTION.
SO THEY'RE CONTINUING TO STAY IN THEIR LARGER HOMES AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO KEEP THAT HOUSING STUFF OFF OFF THE MARKET FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT TO HAVE IT.
AND IF WE DON'T PLAN TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE NEWER TYPES OF, UM, MAYBE NOT EVEN NEWER, I MEAN COLLEGE COURSE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES, BUT ALLOW OUR ZONING CODE TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA PROVIDE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND SOLVE SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS. THEY ARE DETACHED, THEY CAN BE DETACHED OR ATTACHED, AND I THINK IT'S FULLY APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO BE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
AND WHERE THEY GO IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE STARTED TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK TINY HOME AND COTTAGE COURT ARE TWO TERMS THAT SHOULD BE DEFINED IN THE GLOSSARY SECTION.
I'VE MADE A NOTE ON THAT AND I, AND HOPEFULLY THAT MIGHT ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, BUT I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT FROM VALLEY VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
UM, YES, TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED CAPELLA PARK.
IT'S A PLANNED PD, ONE OF THE LATER ONES.
I THINK IT WAS APPROVED IN 2005.
UM, A LOT OF OUR HOMES ARE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY SECTIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
A LOT OF THE HOMES RANGE FROM 1700 SQUARE FEET TO 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, MOST OF US SHARE A SIDE YARD, BUT HAVE HUGE BACKYARDS, FRONT YARDS, SETBACKS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WE HAVE THREE COTTAGE NEIGHBORHOODS, THREE COTTAGE SECTIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT HAVE A SHARED ALLEY GARAGES IN THE BACK, A COURTYARD IN THE FRONT WHERE A LOT OF OUR SENIORS, LIKE WHEN THEY MOVED IN PLAN TO MOVE INTO THESE UNITS, DO NOT STAY ON SALE AT ALL.
THEY GO, UM, THEY STARTED AT 1 49 YEARS AGO AND NOW WE'RE AT THREE 50, BUT THE HOMES ARE SELLING AT FIVE 50 AND SIX 50 NOW.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THE NATURAL, ACCORDING AFFORDABILITY IS HAPPENING IN THIS AREA.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY, UM, LOOKING AT THE MOTION, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT.
THE AREA I CANNOT SUPPORT IS THE REMOVAL OF, OF COTTAGE COURTS.
I HAVE THREE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY COMMUNITY WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.
I CAN SUPPORT MOVING TRIPLEXES TO SECONDARY AND REDUCING THE TYPE OF HOMES IN COTTAGE COURTS.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER CATEGORY, ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
UM, I JUST CAN'T, UM, GET BEHIND REMOVING COTTAGE COURTS COMPLETELY.
MR. RUBIN, WELL, FOLLOWING, I, I ALSO WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT FOLLOWING UP ON, I THINK COMMISSIONER HERBERT HIT ON A REALLY GOOD POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL WITHIN, YOU KNOW, OUR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, ONE REALLY BENEFICIAL ASPECT OF OF SOME OF THESE OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING THAT FITS WELL INTO EXISTING, YOU KNOW, PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE TYPES OF HOUSING PRODUCT, IT IS FEASIBLE TO OFFER IT ON A FOR SALE BASIS.
IT'S NOT GUARANTEED, I DON'T WANNA OVER PROMISE THERE, BUT IT GIVES PEOPLE ANOTHER ENTRY OPTION INTO SOME REALLY WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE CAPELLA PARK.
AND I IMAGINE THAT THOSE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SKYROCKETED IN PRICE IN PART BECAUSE THERE IS DEMAND FOR IT AND WE'RE JUST NOT BUILDING ENOUGH OF IT TODAY.
SO, UM, I AM FULLY IN FAVOR OF LEAVING COTTAGE COURTS AND POTENTIALLY SENSITIVELY DEFINED TINY HOMES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE TINY HOMES IS NOT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE EXACTLY, BUT MAYBE WE COULD PLAY AROUND WITH THAT AND, UM, CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I SECONDED THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK MANY OF US WANTED TO HAVE MAYBE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE CONTEXTS OF THE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT WE'VE, I THINK BEEN HEARING ABOUT, TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I DO FIND THAT TINY HOMES ARE MORE LIKELY ARE, IN MY OPINION,
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UM, BETTER SERVED IN ANOTHER ONE OF OUR LAND USES, UM, COTTAGE HOMES.I'M ACTUALLY NOT AS TROUBLED ABOUT BEING INCLUDED IN SINGLE FAMILY FOR THIS SIMPLE REASON THAT WE HAVE MANY EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY FROM TRADITIONAL COTTAGE COURTS TO WHAT MANY OF US WOULD CALL SMALL LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL JOSEPHINE COURTS ARE, ARE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BOTTOM.
UM, WE SPECIFICALLY WROTE IN, UM, LANGUAGE TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
AND I THINK IT IS ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WE POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT HONORS TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY WHILE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT, WHERE APPROPRIATE PUT IT IN.
I THINK COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S COMMENT THAT INCLUDING IT IN THE GLOSSARY, I MEAN, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NEEDED BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE OTHER THING THAT GIVES EVERYONE, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK MANY OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR PREDICTABILITY.
AND WE CAN'T GIVE ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY TO ANYTHING AND THE SCALE OF HIS ZONING DOCUMENT.
BUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN PROVIDE MORE LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF INTENT, I THINK IT HELPS US, I THINK IT HELPS FUTURE ITERATIONS OF THIS BODY MOVE THIS DOCUMENT FORWARD, WHICH IS CERTAINLY WHAT I HOPE, UM, IS THE OUTCOME OF THIS.
I, UM, I CAN SEE COTTAGE HOUSING IN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED BECAUSE IT, IT IN DISTRICT EIGHT, I CAN SEE IT AS, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THOSE THAT NEED TO AGE IN PLACE.
BUT, AND HA AND AS I THINK ABOUT WHEN MY PARENTS WERE AGING IN PLACE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS MANAGEABLE FOR JUST THEM AND NOT A BIG HOUSE WHERE YOU COULD COLLECT A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS, UM,
BUT, UM, SO I CAN SEE, AND I CAN SEE IT AS COMMUNITY, SO WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THOSE THAT ARE AGING IN PLACE CAN GET TOGETHER AND SIT IN THE FRONT PORCH AND AND HAVE COMMUNITY.
WHEN I SEE TINY HOMES, UM, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WHAT THE, THE INTENT HERE WAS FOR ADUS.
AND I CAN SEE IN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IT.
I, WELL, I I SEE TINY HOMES AS THE INTENT WAS ADUS BECAUSE WHEN I SEE TINY HOMES, I SEE SEVERAL HOMES.
'CAUSE THERE THERE ARE NO MORE THAN 200, 300 SQUARE FEET, 700 SQUARE SOME 700 SQUARE FEET OR BELOW.
YOU SEE MULTIPLE HOMES ON A LOT.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T UN I DON'T REMEMBER READING IN OUR CODE WHERE WE HAVE MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS IN ONE LOT.
SO YEAH, FIRST OF ALL, IT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I SEE TINY HOMES IS NOT A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE ALL ON ONE LOT.
SO, BUT I ALSO SEE THAT THE AVAILABILITY FOR ADUS FOR THE PURPOSES IN WHICH WE, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH ADUS, SO THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE THIS, UM, FOR ADUS IN THIS AT ALL.
ANY OTHER CHAIRMAN SHA BEFORE WE PUT MY, UH, MY VOTE TO, UH, MY MOTION TO VOTE, UH, YOU KNOW, I FIRST WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT WE MADE A COMPROMISE BY AGREEING TO PUT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE AS OPPOSED TO SEPARATING IT OUT.
AND, AND THE FOLKS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS JUST SIMPLY WANT THE PROTECTION THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, ONE LOT ONE HOME IS THE, UH, PRIMARY LAND USE WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO SEE, YOU KNOW, MOVING METRO, UH, MULTIPLEX TO A SECONDARY LAND USE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
UH, YOU KNOW, BUT SO SAYING THAT COTTAGE HOMES WOULD BE PART OF THE CLUSTERED HOUSING UNDER MULTIPLEX, IT WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
IT'S, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE THE COTTAGE HOMES, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE A SECONDARY LAND USE AND NOT A PRIMARILY IN USE.
SO I DON'T SEE WHAT'S UNFAIR ABOUT THAT.
HOWEVER, SINCE I, I'VE HEARD EVERYONE AROUND THE, THE, THE, THE HORSESHOE HERE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH INCLUDING
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THE, THE, THE, THE WONDERFUL CHAIR, UH, LADY, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WHO SECONDED MY MOTION, UH, SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL THAT COTTAGE COURTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO, TO MAKE MY MOTION TO SAY I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION BY, IN THE PLACE TYPES LAND USE MATRIX.
ON PAGE THREE SIX, REMOVE TINY HOMES FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LAND USE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? HOLD SECOND.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON SECOND THE MOTION DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM.
COMMISSIONER TURNON, I WON'T BE ACCEPTING THE, THE, UH, THE MOTION OR THE MENDED MOTION.
UM, PRIMARILY THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE IN A TIME WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO DO MORE WITH LESS.
WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT WITH ENERGY, WE'RE DOING THAT WITH WATER, WE'RE DOING THAT WITH MATERIALS.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO USE LAND MORE EFFICIENTLY.
SO THE, THAT'S A PRIMARY GOAL OF THE DAY AND AGE THAT WE LIVE IN.
SO IT SHOULD BE A PRIMARY USE.
IT NOT, SHOULD NOT BE A SECONDARY USE.
WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO PROMOTE AND FIND WAYS TO, UM, TO PUT MORE HOUSING ON LESS LAND IN AN APPROPRIATE SCALED WAY.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, I'M, I'M, UM, AT A MIDPOINT HERE AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO ASK FOR, UM, SOME ADVICE FROM THE EXPERIENCED, UM, PEOPLE AROUND THE TABLE.
IN MY OPINION, YES, TINY HOMES ARE NEEDED.
UM, I THINK TIME, TINY HOMES AT A CERTAIN EXTENT EXISTS IN DISTRICT FOUR AND DISTRICT THREE AT A LARGER SCALE, MEANING 900 TO 1150 SQUARE FEET.
UM, SO HOW DO WE, AS TEXANS, RIGHT? SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A LARGE FOOTPRINT IN THE TINY HOME INDUSTRY TODAY, HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT TINY HOME IN DALLAS IS, RIGHT? DO WE SAY NO, ONE 50 TO THREE 50, BUT MAYBE FOUR 50 TO NOT, IS IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND WHAT WE, A TEXAN OR DALLAS SITE WOULD CONSIDER A TINY HOME OR GARDEN HOME FOR THAT CASE? SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
DIFFERENT FROM DARK COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE DEFINITIONS OF THESE TWO BEFORE WE VOTE ON WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN PLACE TYPES BECAUSE WE ARE SHOOTING IN THE DARK.
BECAUSE HE JUST SAID HE CONSIDERS A TINY HOME TO BE 900 SQUARE FEET.
WHO, WHO, THAT'S A HOME, HOME WOULDN'T CALL THAT.
I'D SAY THAT WOULD BE THE SMALLEST HOMES THAT EXIST IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO NOT TINY HOME ON A NATIONAL SCALE, BUT IN A DALLAS SCALE, RIGHT? IT, THAT WOULD BE OUR SMALLER STYLE.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THE TRADITIONAL DEFINITION OF TINY HOME IS MAYBE A THIRD OF THAT.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO FLESH OUT THOSE DEFINITIONS AND THEN REVISIT WHERE THESE CONCEPTS APPROPRIATELY FIT.
OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GONNA REVISIT IT AGAIN ANYWAY.
LIKELY IF, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN ON THE FLY DO SOME DEFINITIONS RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN IF YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PIECE AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK AND IF WE SHOW YOU THE DEFINITIONS, I MEAN IF THE SEC, 'CAUSE HE HAS TWO COMMISSIONER FORESIGHTS, UM, THERE'S A MULTIPLE PRONGED RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WANNA DO THAT.
I HAVE A COMMISSIONER BLAIR, WELL, FROM REALTOR.COM TINY HOMES IS 100 TO 400 SQUARE FEET.
SO BASED ON THAT, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE, THAT SHOULD BE THE DEFINITION OR I RECOMMEND THAT TO BE THE DEFINITION OF IF IT'S FROM REALTOR.COM.
WELL, UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, I, I WATCH THE SHOW AND IT'S LIKE SOMETIMES 700, BUT IT SAYS THERE ISN'T, THERE ISN'T A SET STANDARD.
UM, A TINY HOME RARELY EXCEEDS 500 FEET SQUARE, 500 SQUARE FEET.
SO, UM, BEYOND THAT SIZE, THEY'RE MERELY SMALL HOMES, RIGHT? SO THERE IS AN INDUSTRY STANDARD.
SO IT'S GENERALLY 400, 450 SQUARE FEET ISH.
BUT FOR PLANT, WE DON'T NEED TO USE THAT FOR THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CREATING ZONING STANDARDS FOR THIS.
IF YOU WANNA PROVIDE A GENERALIZED RECOMMENDATION THAT GIVES YOU SOME SORT OF PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WHAT YOU ARE IMAGINING A TINY HOME TO BE, THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
WILL YOU FINISH WITH YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? WELL, I THINK YOU ARE.
PLEASE ON THE, ON THE SUBJECT OF DEFINITION, I THINK A BIG D DIFFERENTIAL DIFFERENTIATING ASPECT OF TINY HOME IS, IS IT ON A MOVABLE CHASSIS OR NOT? AND I THINK
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THAT THAT'S WHAT WE GET BACK TO DEFINITIONS, BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE NOT CREATING ZONING STANDARDS, WE DO NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE ANIMAL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS THIS A ZEBRA? IS IT AN ELEPHANT? AND JUST SAYING IT'S 400 SQUARE FEET IS NOT, YOU'RE RIGHT, EXCUSE ME.THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO KNOW WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE IN A CERTAIN CATEGORY OF USES IN MY OPINION.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO, LOOK, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF GETTING THIS DONE 'CAUSE I'M LIKE THE REST OF US, I THINK PROBABLY TIRED OF LOOKING AT IT, BUT I DON'T WANNA BE EXPEDIENT FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING IT DONE AND BE SLOPPY.
I THINK THAT THESE ARE CONCEPTS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO ALLOW THIS DOCUMENT TO PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABILITY THAT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED.
AND I THINK THESE ARE SOME CONCEPTS THAT HAVE COME A LITTLE LATE TO THE GAME, BUT I DON'T WANNA BE DISMISSIVE OF THEM.
AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME GOOD DEFINITIONS TO CONSIDER IF WE CAN WORK SOME UP TODAY AND COME BACK TO THIS MAYBE AT THE END AND, AND MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT AND KINDA REVISIT THIS.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE PROCESS OR TO THE PUBLIC TO JUST, YOU KNOW, PULL UP SOMETHING ON GOOGLE AND
WELL I THINK I WON'T TAKE AN OFFENSE TO THAT
UM, 'CAUSE I DID GO ON GOOGLE, BUT LET ME TELL YOU, LET ME TELL YOU THAT, UM, UH, I WATCH A GTV ALL DAY.
SO
I'M LOOKING AT, LISTEN, I'M LOOKING AT MY CAT, I'M LOOKING AT, I'M ALL ON GOOGLE LOOKING AT, UH, HOME DEPOT, UH, STORAGE BEING TURNED INTO LISTEN, I AM INTO IT ALL.
UM, BUT ALSO WHERE DOES COTTAGE MEET TINY HOME BECAUSE MAYBE THAT'S THE, THE DIFFERENCE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, TINY HOME, A TINY HOME IS SO MANY FEET AND THEN A COTTAGE IS SO MANY FEET.
SO WILL IT BE DEFINED ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, IS IS THERE A, SO HOW WE HAVE DUPLEX DISTRICTS, WE HAVE, I KNOW, UM, BEAR STREET HAS A TOWN HOME DISTRICT, TINY HOME DISTRICTS, RIGHT? UM, I WOULD CONSIDER SAYING IN SO MANY WORDS THAT THE COUNTER HOMELESS SOLUTION THAT THE CITY HELPED FUND ON MALCOLM X RIGHT BEFORE THAT, THAT KINDA IS THE BORDER OF DEEP ELHAM AND SOUTH DALLAS THAT IS FOR THE HOMELESS SOLUTION.
IT KIND OF FITS THAT TINY HOME, UM, SOLUTION.
IT JUST SO HAPPENED IT'S FOR UH, LONG-TERM HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
BUT IT HAS A COMMUNITY CENTER, IT HAS A, IT HAS WASHING LAUNDRY, IT HAS SOME RESOURCES LOOKING AT WHERE DOES THAT FIT IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
THAT GIVES, UH, THAT NECESSARILY A DEVELOPER MIGHT NOT WANNA DO A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT, BUT HE CAN DO A CLUSTERED UNIT AND IT SITS RIGHT ON THE OUTSKIRTS OR IT SITS IN THE AREA AND WE CAN GET OUR HOME, WE CAN GET OUR, OUR SENIORS IN A, IN A COMMUNITY RIGHT NEXT TO US, UM, THAT THEY WOULD TO GET THAT COMMUNITY FEELING.
'CAUSE ALL SENIORS DON'T WANNA LIVE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR LIVE IN A, UM, WHAT IS THAT SENIOR LIVING PER SE BUILDING, BUT THAT CLUSTER AND, AND CREATING, ADDING, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ADD TO IT? LIKE, UH, THOSE SUBDISTRICTS, THOSE SUBDISTRICTS, LIKE WE HAVE DUPLEX DISTRICTS, UH, TOWN HOME DISTRICTS AND THAT TINY HOME COTTAGE DISTRICT WHERE WE CAN GET THOSE, THOSE SENIORS IN PLACE.
'CAUSE QUITE NATURALLY WE KNOW THAT SENIORS LIKE TO ADD, I KNOW TO STUFF
SO JUST FOR REFERENCE, THERE'S A WORKING DEFINITION UP ON THIS IS ONE OF A STANDARD, PRETTY STANDARD DEFINITION.
AGAIN, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS DEFINITION, BUT THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT IS COMPRISED OF A COTTAGE COURT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT.
ANYONE CAN SEE THAT IT'S UP ON THAT SCREEN.
BUT IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO PUT THAT IN A BIGGER FONT PLEASE? A LITTLE BAR OR, YEAH, BOTH READ IT AND OR IF LAUREN, SEE IF YOU WANNA READ IT OUT OR PATRICK YEAH, I CAN READ IT.
UM, SO THIS IS FROM, UH, MISSING MIDDLE, UH, WEBSITE FOR COTTAGE COURTS.
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TO 1.5 STORY DETACHED STRUCTURES ARRANGED AROUND A SHARED COURT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.THE SHERIFF COURT IS AN IMPORTANT COMMUNITY ENHANCING ELEMENT, AND UNIT ENTRANCES SHOULD BE FROM THE SHARED COURT.
IT REPRESENTS, OH, SORRY, IT REPLACES THE FUNCTION OF A REAR YARD.
OFTEN REAR MOST BUILDING CAN BE UP TO TWO STORIES.
CAN I GO FOR CLARIFICATION PLEASE? DID YOU SAY THOSE ARE DETACHED? THE DEFINITION IS DETACHED? YES.
COMMISSIONER CHER, I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WHAT HONING IN ON THE NUANCE OF A DEFINITION WOULD AFFECT THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT, UH, THE MOTION THAT'S BEING MADE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST KNOW THAT BUILDING INSPECTION DOES WEIGH IN ON THIS STUFF WITH REGARDS TO CHASSIS AND THEY, THEY AT TIME OF PERMITTING REVIEW AND HAVE THEIR OWN STANDARD FOR, FOR THIS.
BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ROUTE.
IF IT WAS ON A CHASSIS, IT'D REQUIRE SKIRTING.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S PROTECTIONS ALREADY IN PLACE THAT WOULD REGULATE THAT, BUT I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? WELL, I KNOW I'M GONNA REGRET ASKING THIS, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO A DU
SO THERE IS, THIS WAS, IT WAS REMOVED OUT OF SINGLE FAMILY, OUT OF THE TABLE, OUT OF THE MATRIX.
AND A RECOMMENDATION WAS, UM, I THINK EDITED A LITTLE BIT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION UNDER HOUSING TO EXPLORE ALLOWING ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I'M SORRY, CHAIR THESE, PLEASE.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, SOME OF THE OLDER PUD STAFF MAY KNOW THE GODFATHER OF POCKET NEIGHBORHOODS ACTUALLY CAME TO DALLAS AND DID A TOUR.
I THINK IT WOULD HELP US IF WE LOOKED INTO THAT WEBSITE, POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD.COM AND SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL COTTAGE NEIGHBORHOODS CAN BE AND HOW WE'RE MISSING OUT ON, UM, POSSIBLY SOLVING SOME OF OUR HOUSING ISSUES.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? I, SO COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, PLEASE.
THE, WE'RE VOTING ON THE, THE ADMITTED MOTION THAT I MADE TO REMOVE THE TINY HOMES.
HIS MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AMENDED MOTION.
SO IT CAN BE ACCEPT, IT CAN BE JUST SHE ACCEPTED IT, I BELIEVE.
SO IT DOESN'T MEAN, IT DOESN'T THE MOTION HONOR JUSTICE, THE NO, THIS IS AN EMAIL FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
DOESN'T REQUIRE, BUT THE AMENDMENT ITSELF REQUIRES A VOTE.
THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE, CORRECT.
YEAH, WE'RE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT.
NOW THE YES, WHICH WAS TO JUST ON THE TINY HOMES PIECE TO REMOVE IT FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LAND.
BUT SO COMMISSIONER FORSYTH MADE A MO A MOTION THAT WAS COMPLEX.
VICE CHAIR RUBEN ASKED TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION.
SO THEN IT WAS, THE QUESTION WAS REMOVAL OF THE COTTAGE HOMES AND THE TINY HOMES TO WHICH COMMISSIONER FORSYTH DID A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HIS OWN MOTION TO MAKE IT ONLY TINY HOMES.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S REQUIRED A MOTION THAT VOTING ON REMOVAL OF THE TINY HOMES.
IT REQUIRES A VOTE ALONG WITH THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE MOTION THAT WE HAVEN'T QUITE GOT TO YET.
YES, IT'S JUST THE TINY HOMES PIECE.
WHATEVER WE YEAH, WE, WE ARE ONLY VOTING ON, THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE, THE AMENDMENT AND THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT THEN CHANGED, UH, HIS MOTION ESSENTIALLY TO ONLY TAKE OUT THE TINY HOMES PIECE FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
AND THEN WE HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AND THEN COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ADDED THE A DU, BUT WE DIDN'T REGRET IT AND
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE YOU WANNA READ? IF YOU DON'T MIND, COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, WE, WE HAVE A REQUEST IF YOU COULD REREAD YOUR MOTION, SIR, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION BY, IN THE PLACE TYPES LAND USE MATRIX.
ON PAGE THREE SIX, REMOVE TINY HOMES FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LAND USE CATEGORY.
AND WE, WE HAVE A SECOND LETTER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
THAT'S COMMISSIONER, LET'S DO A RECORD, BUT WHY NOT
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DISTRICT ONE? DISTRICT TWO.UH, COMMISSIONER FORSET, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PIECE.
UM, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION BY, IN THE PLACE TYPES LAND USE MATRIX.
ON PAGE THREE SIX, REMOVE TRIPLEXES AND COTTAGE COURTS FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, UH, LAND USE CATEGORY.
I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION BY, IN THE PLACE TYPES LAND USE MATRIX.
ON PAGE THREE SIX, REMOVE TRIPLEXES AND COTTAGE COURTS FROM SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED LAND USE CATEGORY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? CAN WE ASK FOR CLARIFICATION PLEASE? BECAUSE I'M THINKING THAT THERE WAS ORIGINALLY HE HAD PLANNED TO MOVE THOSE SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO NO.
WELL, I, I, I HAD ALSO PLANNED TO SAY ADD CLUSTERED HOUSING TO MULTIPLEX, BUT, BUT, BUT THE IDEA FOR ADDING CLUSTERED HOUSING TO MULTIPLEX WAS THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE COTTAGE COURTS.
AND, AND WE'VE ALREADY OBVIOUSLY AGREED THAT COTTAGE COURTS ARE GONNA STAY UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY DE DE, UH, DETACHED LAND USE.
SO, UM, I, I GUESS THERE WAS, IS IS KIND OF MOOT NOW ADDING CLUSTERED HOUSING TO MULTIPLEX.
BUT, BUT I STILL FEEL THAT TRIPLEXES IN COTTAGE COURTS SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED LAND USE.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? ARE YOU SECONDING? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SEPARATE MOTION.
YOU WANTED TO REMOVE IT AND IT AND CHANGE IT TO CLUSTERED HOUSING.
AM I RIGHT? IT'S ALL CLUSTERED.
IS THIS THE PART OF THE MOTION WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU DEFINED, UM, MULTIPLEX AND, AND, AND, UH, MULTI-FAMILY? OR IS THAT THE NEXT ONE? BECAUSE YOU DO NO, THE, THE DEFINITION OF MULTIPLEX, UH, TO FEWER THAN EIGHT UNITS WOULD BE IN A SEPARATE MOTION.
SO THAT'S IN A SEPARATE MOTION BECAUSE, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN ASKED ME TO SE SE SEPARATE OUT EACH ONE OF THESE, UH, ITEMS IN, IN THIS MOTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT ITEM WAS TO REMOVE TRIPLEXES AND COTTAGE COURTS FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED LAND USE CATEGORY.
UM, I THINK CAN I OFFER A MODIFICATION THEN? I MEAN A FRIENDLY YES.
NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T YET HAVE A SECOND.
WE DON'T NEED A YEAH, I, I I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO, TO A, A VACANT FRIENDLY MEMBER.
SECOND IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION, THEN WE DO HAVE A SECOND.
I, SO I, I, I WOULD OFFER AMENDMENT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO TAKE COTTAGE TO TAKE THE, TAKE THE COTTAGE COURTS OUT AND LEAVE THE OTHER TWO IN.
AND THEN, BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY'RE PART OF, WE WANNA KEEP THAT IN SINGLE FAMILY.
I, I THINK THAT'S A CONSENSUS WHAT WE GOT FROM THE LAST, UH, THE VOTE AND THEN LEAVING YOUR OTHER TWO IN TO MEAN LEAVING YOUR OTHER TWO A PART OF THE MOTION AND TAKING COTTAGE COURTS OUT OF THAT MOTION.
OR LIKE, DO WE DO NEED CLARIFICATION? YES.
CAN I PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION? SO ON THE FLIP, SO THE MOTION IS SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IN YOUR TABLE ON THREE SIX.
IF YOU GO UP TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IT INCLUDES TOWNHOMES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND COTTAGE COURTS.
THE MOTION IS TO REMOVE TRIPLEXES AND COTTAGE COURTS.
SO THAT WOULD LEAVE FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
THAT WOULD LEAVE TOWN HOMES AND DUPLEXES.
SO THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE TABLE TO REMOVE, TO JUST KEEP FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
IT WOULD JUST INCLUDE TOWNHOUSES AND DUPLEXES, NOT TRIPLEXES OR COTTAGE COURTS.
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OKAY.SO THE COTTAGE COURTS, ARE WE CONSIDERING THEM ATTACHED? BECAUSE ATTACHED BE, COULD BE.
ARE WE CONSIDERING THAT ATTACHED? BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE ON THE SAME LOT.
IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, SO WHAT I DO, SO, SO I KNOW ATTACHED WITH, WITH, WITH, WITH TOWN HOMES, IT'S THE LAND UP.
IT IS SEPARATE, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY BECAUSE THE LAND UP UNDER EACH TOWN HOME IS, IS DIFFERENT.
IT IS PLANTED DIFFERENT, BUT THEY SHARE A WALL.
IS THAT THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE SAYING ABOUT COTTAGE HOMES? COTTAGE.
COTTAGE, YOU CAN HAVE A COTTAGE COURT WHERE YOU HAVE A SINGLE, A SINGLE, A DUPLEX.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THAT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, ATTACHED FAMILY DETACHED.
BEFORE SHE SAID, OKAY, SO I GOT IT.
SO, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND TOWN HOMES, ONE, TOWN HOMES, CONDOS.
I UNDERSTAND THOSE, THE REASONS.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, I'M NOT SURE THIS MAY BE A FRIENDLY, UH, IF ACCEPTED OR, BUT FOR MY PROTECTIONS OF THE PROTECTIONS OF MY NEIGHBORS, I WOULD'VE, UM, KEPT TOWN HOMES IN DUPLEXES, UM, POSSIBLY TRIPLEXES.
BUT UNDER COTTAGE COURTS, I WOULD RESTRICT COTTAGE COURTS TO BE, UM, NO MORE THAN QUAD, UH, A FOURPLEX.
BUT WE'VE ALREADY LEFT COTTAGE COURTS.
HIS MOTION IS TO STRIKE COMMISSIONER, UH, HERBERT IS TRYING TO DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
SO YOU CAN COME BACK AND MAKE THAT AN UNFRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT WE CAN JUST KEEP THIS ON THERE.
COURT QUADPLEX IS THE SAME AS, IS IS WORSE THAN A TRIPLEX IS MORE THAN A TRIPLEX.
SO, NO, I, I'M, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER.
SO I'LL MAKE A UNFRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
AND IF I HAVE, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT AFTERWARDS.
SO MY UNFRIENDLY AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO, UM, LEAVE AS WRITTEN RE UM, IN RESTRICTING COTTAGE COURTS TO NO MORE THAN QUAD QUADS.
AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I'LL TALK TO Y YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.
SO IF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED WITH COTTAGE COURTS IN IT AS IT IS TODAY DOES NOT RESTRICT SIZE, WE CAN HAVE NINE PLEXES IN A COURT THAT'S SHARED.
AND NOW WE HAVE A MULTITUDE OF HOMES.
THAT'S WHY I DECIDED TO RESTRICT IT.
UM, THE WAY COTTAGE HOMES I'VE SEEN BE SUCCESSFUL WITH QUADS AND TRIPLEXES IS THERE WAS A SHARED PARKING, AND THEN THOSE QUADS ALL HAD ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN IN THE MIDDLE, OR THE LANDSCAPING IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, THE BEST I'VE SEEN IT DONE WAS AT A QUAD LEVEL AND IS WHY I PUT THAT PARAMETER IN.
UM, I'M WILLING TO DISCUSS MORE, BUT LIMITING THE COTTAGE COURTS UNDER SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, I THINK MAKES SENSE BECAUSE BY THE UNITS BEING ATTACHED, UM, A LOT CAN BE DONE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SAFE.
COMMISSIONER, I APPRECIATE THE INTENT OF COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT.
MY CONCERN IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, FOUR MAY BE A GOOD SORT OF POINT FOR MANY COTTAGE COURTS, BUT THERE MAY BE INSTANCES WHERE CREATIVITY AND FLEXIBILITY CALL FOR A LARGE, LARGER COTTAGE COURT, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S JUST SAY THERE ARE TWO SIDE BY SIDE LOTS OR A DOUBLE LOT, MAYBE SIX MIGHT MAKE SENSE, OR EIGHT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR A SENSITIVELY DESIGNED COTTAGE COURT.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY LEAVE THE NUMBER UP FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION WHEN WE SEE AMENDMENTS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, OR WHEN WE SEE APPLICATIONS FOR A PD OR SOMETHING LIKE TO, TO HEAR THAT RATHER THAN IMPOSE A SORT OF CAP AT THIS POINT.
AND, AND WE'LL JUST NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO NUMBERS MOVING FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER, UH, KINGSTON? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GETTING TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS ON WHAT COTTAGE COURT IS GONNA BE.
WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE IS WE'RE GONNA AMEND OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE TO HAVE AN ENTIRE SECTION ON COTTAGE COURTS.
THE CITY OF ARLINGTON RECENTLY AMENDED THEIR DEVELOPMENT CODE TO HAVE AN ENTIRE SECTION ON COTTAGE COURTS, WHICH DEFINES WHAT A COTTAGE COURT IS WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PIECES THAT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK THAT IS AN IMPLEMENTATION PIECE AND NOT A 30,000 FOOT PLANNING PIECE.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER WE'RE AT THE 30,000 FOOT, NOT THE GROUND LEVEL.
MY AND I, MY THINKING IS TO WHAT'S PRIMARY, WHAT'S SECONDARY? BUT I DEFINITELY AGREE.
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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER.I, I, I, I DEFINITELY AGREE, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD THAT WE ARE SPEAKING ON IT NOW SO THAT PUD CAN, CAN CONSIDER THAT.
BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LARGER, I'M GONNA TALK AT THAT POINT, I'M LOOKING AT THAT'S ASSURE, ALMOST ASSURE ACCESS WITH A, WITH TOWN HOME DISTRICT TYPE OF DEAL FOR KEEPS IT COTTAGEY FILLED.
WHEN YOU GO TO TALKING ABOUT MORE UNITS AND ATTACHED, ATTACHED, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TOWNHOMES, AT TOWNHOMES CONDO OR WHATEVER WE CALL THEM.
WHEREAS I THINK WHAT HE, WHAT WHAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT IS SAYING, LET'S GET FOUR UNITS HERE, FOUR UNITS HERE, FOUR UNITS HERE, AND STILL HAVE THAT COURTYARD FIELD.
UM, BUT THAT CONTINUOUS BUILDING MIGHT TAKE AWAY FROM THE COURTYARD, UM, TYPE OF SITUATION THAT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
THE COURTYARD PLAYS A, THE COURT, THE COURT PART OF COTTAGE IS WHAT HE'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE STAYS COMMISSIONER AIRE.
WE HAVE NOT HAD OFFICIAL DEFINITION THAT WE'RE USING FOR COTTAGE COURT UNTIL THEN.
I CAN'T, YOU GUYS ARE DOING NOTHING BUT CONFUSING THE SITUATION WITH TRYING TO DEFINE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DEFINED, ESPECIALLY NO REFINE SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEFINED.
YOU CAN'T REFINE IT UNTIL YOU DEFINE IT.
UM, THEN NUMBER TWO, UM, AND I SEE, UH, UH, MR. AGUS GOT HIS HAND UP.
LIKE, UH, SO, BUT YOU, CAN I FINISH BEFORE YOU? IF YOU, YOU, YOU GIVE US A DEFINITION, UM, BUT THEN IF I'M LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, I BELIEVE WHAT THE INTENT READS TO ME, YOU HAVE, AND IT SHOULD MAYBE HAVE BEEN IN A DIFFERENT ORDER.
YOU HAVE DUPLEX, WHICH IS TWO FAMILIES ATTACHED, OR TWO LIVING UNITS, DWELLING UNITS ATTACHED.
YOU HAVE TRIPLEX, WHICH ARE THREE UNITS ATTACHED.
YOU HAVE TOWN HOMES, WHICH WOULD BE FOUR OR MORE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ATTACHED BEFORE YOU GO TO MUL MULTIPLEX.
AND IT'S, AND IF THAT IS THE INTENT, THEN I CAN SEE IF YOU, AND, AND IF YOU'RE DEFINING COTTAGE CORDS AS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, YOUR YOUR, YOUR SPEAK, YOUR MICROPHONE IS STILL ON.
IF YOU'RE DEFINING COTTAGE CORDS AS SMALLER AS AS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SHARING A, A, A GREEN SHARING, UH, THE FRONT YARDS, THEN I WOULD SAY THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT LEAVING TRIPLEXES DUPLEXES IN TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED ALONE AND POSSIBLY REMOVING COTTAGE COURTS BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
IF YOU THAT, IF YOU ARE DEFINING COTTAGE COURTS AS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SHARING, SHARING THE, THE, THE WALKING SPACE IN THE FRONT AND AND SHARING THE PARKING IN THE BACK.
SO, UM, SO
UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE CAN ALSO, IF YOU LOOK IN THE GLOSSARY UNDER CLUSTERED HOUSING, THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER TERM THAT COTTAGE COURTS USE.
UH, WE CAN EITHER DO A FEW THINGS IN TERMS OF USING THIS DEFINITION ON THEIR SCREEN, UH, FOR THAT AS WELL.
AND MAYBE JUST DEFINING IN THE GLOSSARY, COTTAGE COURTS SLASH CLUSTERED HOUSING, UH, THAT COULD BE A WAY OF DOING THAT AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA JUST GO BACK TO THIS DEFINITION THAT I THOUGHT WE, UH, WE HAD CLARIFIED THAT WE