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GOOD[Board of Adjustments: Panel C on June 17, 2024.]
AFTERNOON.WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME, THE GREAT ADJUSTMENT.
I SERVE AS THE VICE-CHAIRMAN OF BOARD, BOARD ADJUSTMENT AT LARGE.
PANEL C IS MONDAY, JUNE 17TH, 2024.
AND THIS MEETING TO ORDER CLARK, MR. TON AND JARED APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, WHICH ABOUT COMPENSATION, COPY AND SANDWICHES.
THIS TO MY RIGHT IS SAP AND SENIOR.
THE PLANS EXAMINER, SENIOR PLANS EXAMINER, AND THE WILLIAMS. UH, IF YOU SPEAK, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CARD.
I KNOW WHERE THE NORMALLY, OKAY.
UM, UH, WE EXPECT DAVID NAVAREZ, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO DO HERE.
YOU THINK HE'S ONLINE? BRANDON? ECHO, ECHO, ECHO, ECHO, ECHO, ECHO.
WE, WE HAVE A SOME, WELL, IT'S COMING THROUGH THERE.
AND ALSO YOUR, YOUR VOLUME NEEDS TO BE MUSIC.
UM, A FEW THINGS BEFORE WE BEGIN.
UH, NO ACTION OR DECISION ON A CASE SETS A PRECEDENT.
EACH CASE IS DECIDED UPON ITS OWN MERITS AND CIRCUMSTANCES, UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED.
EACH USE IS PRESUMED TO BE A LEGAL USE REQUEST.
ALRIGHT? NO, THAT'S SOMETHING SIMILAR.
SIR, DID YOU NEED TO HAVE YOURS ON? I THOUGHT
ARE WE GOOD? YEAH, THAT WAS ME.
UM, WE'VE BEEN FULLY BRIEFED BY STAFF PRIOR TO THIS HEARING AND WE'VE REVIEWED A DETAILED PUBLIC DOCKET THAT EXPLAINS THE CASE.
IT WAS POSTED SEVEN DAYS, SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING ON OUR WEBSITE.
ANY EVIDENCE THAT YOU WISH TO SUBMIT TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION OF ANY OF THE CASES WE HEAR TODAY SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD.
SECRETARY, MS. WILLIAMS, WHEN YOUR CASE IS CALLED, THE EVIDENCE MUST BE RETAINED IN THE BOARD'S OFFICE AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD FOR EACH CASE.
UH, APPROVALS OF NON-ADMINISTRATIVE VOTES WILL REQUIRE FOUR OUT OF FIVE VOTES.
UM, LETTERS OF THE BOARD ACTIONS, UH, THE BOARD'S ACTIONS TODAY WILL BE MAILED TO THE APPLICANT BY OUR BOARD ADMINISTRATOR SHORTLY AFTER THE HEARING.
UH, LASTLY, ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK TODAY MUST REGISTERED EVENTS WITH THE BOARD SECRETARY, MS. WILLIAMS. EACH REGISTERED SPEAKER WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC TESTIMONY FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES OR WHEN THE SPECIFIC CASE IS CALLED FOR ITS PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WE WILL BEGIN BY ALLOWING, UH, THE APPLICANT'S FIVE MINUTES AND OPPOSITION FIVE MINUTES AND A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL.
IF WE NEED TO EXTEND, WE'LL DO IT AND WE'LL DO IT PROPORTIONATELY.
UM, NO TELECONFERENCING WILL BE ALLOWED.
YOUR YOUR FACE HAS TO BE ON SCREEN IN ORDER TO, UH, FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO PROCEED.
ALL COMMENTS ARE BE, ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO ME AND I I MAY MODIFY SPEAKING TIMES AS NECESSARY.
UM, WE HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, ONLY ONE CASE ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS 54 0 4 FALLS ROAD.
UH, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS OPPOSITION.
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HEAR THE CONSENT FIRST AND THEN GO TO THE TOP, STARTING WITH SEVEN TWO DOWN.UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON OUR MINUTES, MS. POLLY? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING.
I ADMIT SECONDS ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
FUTURE VOTES WILL BE ROLL CALL.
UM, VICE CHAIR JUST SO I CAN GET THAT.
THERE WAS MS. P*****K WHO MADE THAT MOTION AND I SECOND THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, IS THE APPLICANT FOR FALLS ROAD HERE? SO THE BOARD'S INCLINED TO GRANT YOUR REQUEST IF FOR SOME REASON YOU DON'T WANT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, YOU SHOULD TELL US NOW.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT DOCK DOCKET? SHALL WE DO THAT? AND THEN TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S DO, LET'S DO PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.
UH, I ASSUME WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS, BUT JUST, OKAY.
NOW IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE VICE CHAIR, MR. SERS? UM, I, I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE UNCONSENTED, UM, UNCONTESTED DOCKET.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS GRANT THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS LISTED ON THE UNCONTESTED DOCKET BECAUSE IT APPEARS FROM OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL RELEVANT EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICATIONS SATISFY ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE CODE AS APPLICABLE TO WHICH IN THE CASE OF BDA 2 3 4 DASH 0 0 0 7 4.
IN THE CASE OF BDA 2 3 4 DASH 0 7 4 APPLICATION OF JENNIFER HIRO HIROTO HIROTO, FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, DEFENSE HEIGHTS REGULATIONS IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE IS GRANTED SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
COMPLIANCE WITH THE HEIGHT AND FENCE LOCATION REQUIREMENTS ILLUSTRATED IN THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ALL SUBMITTED PLANS ARE REQUIRED.
MS. WILLIAMS, WE OPPOSED THOSE PLEASE? MS. PAUL? I AYE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN AND FOR PUTTING THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER.
UH, BDA 2 3 4 DASH 0 7 2 4 3 3 7 PARK LANE REQUEST OF ROB BALDWIN FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO DEFENSE HEIGHT REGULATIONS AND FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO DEFENSE STANDARDS REGULATION.
WILL YOU BE SWORN IN PLEASE? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE OR ONLINE? NO, I, I HAVE SO IT'S YOU WILL, WILL YOU SWEAR MR. BALDWIN YOU SWEAR OR TELL TRUTH IN YOUR TESTIMONY TO THE COURT OF ADJUSTMENT? I DO.
UH, MY NAME'S ROB BALDWIN, OFFICER AT 3 9 0 4 EL STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS.
AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, MUG, UH, OWNERS OF 43 37 PARK LANE IN THIS REQUEST.
SO THIS, THIS IS KIND OF, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LITTLE RED DOT, IT'S THE FAR WEST.
IT'S UH, UH, BLUFF VIEW, UH, BETWEEN BLUFF VIEW AND PRESTON HOLLOW.
IT'S A STATE LOTS, UH, OFF OF PARK LANE.
IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, ZONED R 10.
IT'S A CORNER LOT CORNER OF CRESTVIEW AND IN PARK LANE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO ALLOW FENCE IN THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD, UH, AT SEVEN FEET TALL AND ALL.
IT'S GONNA BE A DECORATIVE IRON FENCE AS, UH, COMMISSIONER P*****K BROUGHT UP.
WE DO HAVE OUR, UH, OPAQUE REQUIREMENTS ARE JUST FOR THE MASONARY COLUMNS TO MATCH THE HOUSE.
THEN ON EITHER SIDE OF THE GATE THERE ARE SOME, UH, SOME COLUMNS AS WELL.
BUT GENERALLY THE FENCE IS OPEN DECORATIVE METAL FENCE.
WE'RE HAVING NO ENCROACHMENTS TO ANY SITE VISIBILITY TRIANGLES.
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SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN.AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GREEN ARE THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLES, AND IT SHOWS THAT THE, THE FENCE IS ABOUT 20 FEET BACK FEET FROM THE, THE PAVEMENT.
UM, THE PLAN RIGHT IS THE, THE FACADE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS PLAN THAT IS CONSIDERED A SIDE YARD.
THAT, AND SO THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE UP TO A NINE FOOT TALL FENCE BY RIGHT ON THAT SIDE.
INTERESTING THING IS THE GENERALLY WROTE IN OPPOSITION IS ON THIS SIDE YARD, SO HE CAN HAVE A FENCE UP TO NINE FEET IN THE SAME LOCATION AS WE CAN.
SO WE'RE REALLY JUST ASKING FOR THE, THE AREA IN, UH, ON THE PLAN.
AGAIN, SEVEN FOOT TALL FENCE, DECORATIVE IRON, NO IN CORRECTIONS INTO THE SITE, THE LITERATURE IRON.
AND THIS IS, I KNOW IT'S A BUSY SLIDE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIMENSIONS ON THERE, BUT THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT THE GUN SECTION WILL LOOK LIKE.
YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE, UH, THOSE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE GATE.
WE HAVE THE, WHAT I WOULD CALL WING WALLS WITH THE, THE LANTERNS ON 'EM.
THAT'S THE, THAT AND THOSE, UH, TWO COLUMNS ARE THE EXTENT OF THE, THE OPAQUE, UH, PORTION FENCE.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS FENCE IS 20 FEET BACK FROM THE STREET AND THAT'S A, A BLOW UP OF THAT.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, UH, FROM, UH, PARKWAY.
LOOKING WEST IS OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE A, A FENCE, UH, IN THE, IN THE FRONT YARD AS WELL.
THIS IS THE LOT YOU CAN SEE OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE, THIS IS JUST A REVERSE OF WHAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER FENCE JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AS WELL.
SO THE, THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN GREEN.
ALL THE BLUE, UH, HIGHLIGHTED PROPERTIES HAVE FENCES TALLER THAN FOUR FEET IN THE FRONT YARD.
UM, UH, I THINK THE REQUEST IS REASONABLE.
UH, I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT IT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? MR. SLATE.
UH, MR. BALDWIN, THE SUBMITTED PLANS FOR THIS SPECIFY THE WHERE THERE'S OPACITY AND THAT IT'S WR IRON AND WHAT THE SPECIFIC HEIGHTS ARE THROUGHOUT THE FENCE REQUESTED? YES, SIR.
YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT STAFF? THAT'S TRUE.
ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT APPLICATION? NO.
ARE THERE SPEAKERS AGAINST, UH, SPEAKERS? NO, NO SPEAKERS.
UH, DO YOU WANNA REBUT NO ONE? OKAY.
UM, SO WE'LL CLOSE, UH, THIS HEARING AND, UH, CONSIDER A MOTION.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL NUMBER BDA 2 3 4 DASH 0 7 2 ON APPLICATION OF ROB BALDWIN GRANT, THE REQUEST OF THIS APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT AND OR MAINTAIN A SEVEN FOOT HIGH FENCE AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT FOR FENCES CONTAINED IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE IS AMENDED BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITION BE IMPOSED FURTHER.
THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE WITH HEIGHT AND FENCE LOCATION REQUIREMENTS ILLUSTRATED IN THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ALL SUBMITTED PLANS ARE REQUIRED.
SINGTON, MR. SINGTON SECONDS SECOND DISCUSSION.
I FELT LIKE THE APPLICANT SATISFIED THE OBLIGATIONS AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
I AGREE WITH MS. POLLOCK'S STATEMENT OR CATCH THAT, THAT, UH, MOST OF, MOST OF THE FENCE IS, IS OPEN.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T HAVE A TON OF FENCES.
UH, THIS ONE IS NOT INTRUSIVE AND IT DOESN'T MAKE, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A FORTRESS FENCE.
IT'S INTA AND WELL OFF AND IT'S NOT TRYING TO PUSH THE EVERY BOUNDARY FORWARD AND BUILD THE HOUSE FORWARD, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO FOR IT, I THINK THE APPLICANT WENT BEYOND WHAT WAS, WHAT IS REQUIRED TO GO OUT AND REMOVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, VISIBILITY OBSTRUCTIONS, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, SATISFY ANY CONCERNS THAT WERE, THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY THERE.
MS. WELLS SECOND MOTION? I DON'T, MY SECOND MOTION? OH, NO, MR. SINGS SECOND OF THE MOTION.
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POLL? AYE.I BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE A SECOND.
YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. A, I HAVE A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL NUMBER BDA 2 3 4 DASH 0 7 2 ON APPLICATION OF ROB BALDWIN GRANT THE REQUEST THAT THIS APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT AND OR MAINTAIN A FENCE WITH PANEL OF HAVING LESS THAN 50% OPEN SURFACE AREA LOCATED LESS THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE FRONT LOT LINE HAS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OF THE SURFACE AREA OPENNESS REQUIREMENTS FOR FENCES AND VALVE DEVELOPMENT CODE.
BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, I FURTHER MOVE FOLLOWING CONDITION BE IMPOSED TO FURTHER THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF DEL DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE WITH CAPACITY DEFENSE LOCATION REQUIREMENTS ILLUSTRATED THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ALMAN PLANS ARE REQUIRED.
MR. SINGTON SECOND DISCUSSION.
HEARING NONE, MS. WILLIAMS, MS. POLL? AYE.
MR. AYE, MR. AYE, MR. MILLIKIN AYE.
MOTION MS. WILLIAMS? I THINK THE, THE REVERB COMES FROM EITHER YOU OR THAT MIKE PROBLEM.
SO YOU, SOMETHING'S PICKING YOU UP.
BDA 2 3 4 DASH 75 6 8 0 2 FOREST LANE APPLICATION OF KEN YOUNG FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO DEFENSE HEIGHT REGULATIONS AND FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO DEFENSE STANDARD REGULATIONS.
IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK EITHER FOR OR IN OPPOSITION, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN IN.
MS. WILLIAMS, IS THERE ANYONE SPEAKING ON THIS CASE ONLINE? NO.
SO WOULD YOU PLEASE BE SWORN IN THEN WHEN YOU BEGIN THE STATE, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PLEASE SWEAR AFFIRM, TELL THE TRUTH, THE TESTIMONY TO I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE.
I LIVE AT, UH, 1224 SE DRIVE, STON, TEXAS.
AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT, I'M THE ARCHITECT AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE OWNERS.
UH, 68 0 2 FOREST L FURTHER DEFENSE APPLICATION.
UH, P THIS IS OH SEVEN FIVE MM-HMM,
UM, SO THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW IS 68 0 2 FOREST LANE.
UH, IT IS JUST TO THE WEST OF HILLCREST ON NORTH SOUTH AND IS ON FOREST LANE, UH, RUNNING EAST TO WEST THERE.
UH, NEXT, UM, THE BLUE IS JUST THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE FENCE THAT WE'RE, UH, UH, APPLYING FOR IN THIS, UH, THIS APPLICATION BELOW, YOU'LL SEE THE ELEVATIONS, UH, WE'RE APPLYING FOR THE DESIGNS THAT FOR AN EIGHT FOOT, UM, WALL AND FENCE COMBINATION OF A STONE AND WOOD, UH, TOTALED EIGHT FEET HIGH.
AND, UH, RETURNING BACK TO ALLOW AN ENTRY FROM FOREST LANE, THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS TO, TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THE, UH, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU IN SUBSEQUENT SLIDES HERE, WE THINK THIS, THIS DESIGN IS, IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING, UH, WALLS AND FENCES ALONG THIS SECTION, FOREST LANE, IN THIS BLOCK.
AND WE'VE DESIGNED IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT PRESERVES THE EXISTING, UH, LANDSCAPE TO, TO THE BEST DEGREE POSSIBLE, AS WELL AS AS EXISTING TREES.
AND, UH, IT'S OUR PROPOSAL THAT THIS, UH, ENHANCES TRAFFIC SAFETY BY, UH, BY CREATING A CLEARLY DESIGNATED DRIVEWAY ALONG FOREST LANE, WHICH IS A SIX LANE ROAD, UH, VERY BUSY AT TIME OF DAY.
THIS IS A SCOTT SHOT FROM A GOOGLE STREET VIEW.
UM, BUT IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY, THE, THE LIGHT COLORED SIDEWALK THERE IS NOW WHERE THE DRIVEWAY ENTERS INTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THAT EXISTING VEGETATION RUNNING ALONG FOREST LAND THERE.
AND OUR DESIGN IS TO WORK BEHIND, UH, A LOT OF THAT VEGETATION SO THAT WE ARE PRESERVING, UH, THE NATURAL
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LANDSCAPE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.THIS IS AN R ONE A ZONE, UH, AND EVERY PROPERTY ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, THE SOUTH SIDE OF FOREST IS R ONE A.
UH, AND, UH, AND THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE, I BELIEVE ARE R SEVEN FIVE, BUT THEY HAVE SIMILAR FENCE AND WALL DESIGNS THAT I'LL SHOW YOU IN JUST A MOMENT.
UH, THIS IS A 3D RENDERING OF, UH, WHAT WE PROPOSED THE, UH, FENCE WOULD LOOK LIKE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A COMBINATION OF, UH, STONE AND WOOD FENCING MATCHING THE SIGN OF THE HOME AND SIMILAR TO, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UM, I NOTICED IN THE HEARING I WAS BRIEFING THIS MORNING THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE RECORDED, UH, THAT WE HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE, UH, IN APPROVAL OF THIS DESIGN.
THIS ONE IS FROM 68 10 FOREST LANE.
UH, BRIAN MCCAULEY'S, THE HOMEOWNER THERE.
HE'S THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO OUR EAST.
AND, UM, AND SO HE, WE'VE APPROACHED HIM AND HE HAS APPROVED THE DESIGN.
UH, HE'S THE CLAIM TO BUILD A SIMILAR GUNSON AND HO IN THE, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UH, LEMME INTERRUPT YOU REAL QUICK.
I DON'T SEE ANY LETTERS IN APPROVAL.
I, I SAW THEM IN THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM RECORDED, BUT I I DO HAVE THEM ON THE FILE, SO I'M NOT CAN YOU GIVE THEM TO US FOR OUR, FOR OUR RECORD? I ONLY HAVE THEM IN, I DON'T HAVE A HARD COPY WITH IT.
I JUST HAVE THEM IN THIS PRESENTATION.
WELL, IF YOU SHOW IT TO THAT, AS LONG AS HE'S GOT A COPY OF IT OKAY, THEN WE'RE GOOD.
IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? YES, THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
THERE IS DIGITAL COPY OF HIS LETTER.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ME? I'M SHOWING HIS PROPERTY RELATIVE TO OURS IN YELLOW.
SO IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, I'M VERY AWARE MY NAME, EXPRESS PROOF.
SO WAS THE PREVIOUS, UM, PREVIOUSLY IN OPPOSITION? NO, THE ONLY OPPOSITION COMES FROM, UH, 68 50.
OH, I THOUGHT THE RED MEANT SOMETHING.
I'M JUST IDENTIFYING WHICH PROPERTY IS HIS RELATIVE TO OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IS OKAY.
SO HE'S YOUR NEIGHBOR? HE IS OUR NEIGHBOR, YES.
ARE YOU GUYS DECIDING SOMETHING? OH, NO, WE WERE LOOKING FOR HIS LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON FILE.
WELL, BUT YOU NOW HAVE IT ON FILE BECAUSE THIS WILL BECOME PART OF THE RECORD.
DO WE HAVE THEM? I HAVE THIS PRESENTATION, YES.
IF IT'S IN THE PRESENTATION, DO WE PRESERVE PRESENTATIONS AS THE RECORD? I ACTUALLY THINK MAYBE WE DON'T CONSIDER THEM DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE.
I, BUT IF IT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, WE BE USE AS DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE IT IN THE RECORD.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO'S ACROSS THE STREET ON, ON HAMPSTEAD.
UM, WE CAN JUST REACH OUT TO HER, SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA.
WE ALSO RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM HER.
HAMPSTEAD IS HER, UH, ADDRESS AS IN RED THERE RELATIVE TO OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY IN YELLOW.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO APPROVALS WE HAVE FROM, FROM NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND THEN WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS, IS A SERIES OF, OF THE NEIGHBORING HOMES AND THE, UM, THE HEIGHT AND THEIR DESIGN OF THEIR FENCES, AND ALSO THE PROXIMITY OF THEIR FENCE OR WALL RELATIVE TO THE CURB.
I SAW IN THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW FAR BACK THE PROPERTY LINE WAS FROM THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTO HERE THAT THE SIDEWALK IS, UH, TOUCHING THE BACK OF THE CURB ON THE FOREST.
AND THE SIDE SIDEWALK IS ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE.
UM, THE PROPERTY LINE IS U IS APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER THREE FEET BEYOND THE SIDEWALK.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PROPERTY AT, UH, 68 50, UM, THEY HAVE A, A SEVEN AND A HALF FOOT, UH, TALL COMBINATION OF WOOD AND STONEWALL SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS APPLICATION.
SO THIS IS THE, THE GUY WHO, THIS IS THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE LETTER IN OPPOSITION? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO YEAH, HIS, HIS WALL IS SEVEN FOOT MR. MILLER.
AND, UH, RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF HIS PROPERTY IN BLUE THERE IN THE HIGHLIGHT ON THE, UH, LITTLE LEGEND, UH, RUNS ENTIRE LIGHT TO HIS PROPERTY.
UM, WE'VE HAD BACK AND FORTH PLEASE.
UM, OKAY, SO SIX, THAT'S THE DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY AT 68 50 TO THE NEXT LINE.
UM, THAT PROPERTY THAT YOU JUST SHOWED, 11 OPPOSITION, HIS FENCE IS ZERO OPACITY, UH, PER THE, IT APPEARS TO BE ZERO.
IT IT APPEARS TO BE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, AS BEST I CAN TELL.
OH, NO, HE, HE'S ASKING, UH, IS IT ALL WOOD? ALL WOOD, SOLID WOOD FENCE.
IT IS PRIMARILY WOOD WITH STONE.
YOU CAN SEE THE STONE, UH, PILLARS.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WOOD BETWEEN STONE,
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RIGHT BETWEEN STONE THAT WE CAN SEE.BUT I'M, I'M TALKING BUT IT'S NOT WROUGHT IRON.
IT'S, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THROUGH IT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE, THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.
IT RUNS THE LENGTH, THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IT IS PRIMARILY WHERE THE SOME STONE PILLARS IN INTERSPERSED.
UH, THIS IS THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF HILLCREST AND FOREST.
THEY HAVE A, UH, SIX FOOT, SIX INCH TALL, UH, UH, I THINK IT'S A CAST IN PLACE, CONCRETE WALL THAT IS, UH, BRICK PATTERN.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT IT'S ABOUT THREE FEET OFF OF THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK.
SO THAT IS, APPEARS TO BE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND RUNS THE ENTIRE LINE OF FOREST AROUND THE CORNER AND DOWN ON HILLCREST.
HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ON THE, UH, THE LEGEND THERE ON THE, THE RED PROPERTY IS THE RED ICON, IS THE, UH, IS THE, IS A, IS THE PROPERTY HERE I'M DESCRIBING AT 11 7 21 HILLCREST.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS A, IS ACTUALLY A, IT SEEMS TO BE A COMMON, UH, COMMON PROPERTY AMONG THE, UH, HOA FOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTHWEST OF US HERE.
THIS HAS A A, A 100% OPAQUE, UH, STONEWALL OVER EIGHT FEET HIGH.
UM, THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF FOREST COMPLAIN.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S MAYBE FIVE FEET OFF THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THERE.
SO WHEN I SIDEWALK, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, UH, IF THIS IS WHAT I THINK IT IS, IT, I WASN'T SURE WHETHER THAT WAS JUST THE NAME OF AN ENTITY OR THAT WAS AN ACTUAL HOAI THINK THAT'S COMMON, UH, PROPERTY INSIDE AN HOA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTHWEST THERE.
BUT I'M HONESTLY, THIS PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THE HOA, UH, OUR PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE HOA.
AND THEN JUST QUICKLY ACROSS THE STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT ZONING, BUT, UH, WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE FENCES AND OILS ALONG THE ENTIRE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THIS FENCE IS SIX FOOT EIGHT TALL, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, MASONRY AND WOOD.
UH, SIX FOOT EIGHT TALL FENCE HERE ALONG THE MAJORITY LENGTH OF, UH, UH, 11 8 10 STEAD.
UM, YOU HAVE ALMOST SEVEN FEET TALL.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, ENTERS AT ULA COURT.
AND THIS WALL IS, UH, NEARLY 12 FEET TALL.
UM, FROM THE, IT APPEARS TO BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE OR VERY CLOSE TO IT.
AND, UH, THIS, DID THAT COME FROM BEFORE A DIFFERENT PANEL? SORRY, WERE YOU ABOUT TO ASK THAT? NO, GO AHEAD.
I'M SIR, I JUST, IF IT'S 12 FEET, IT, IT WOULD'VE, THE ASSUMPTION, THE ASSUMPTION IS IT, IT WOULD, 12 FEET IS TWO.
WOULDN'T YOU CONSIDER THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED WALL? YEAH.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THE AUTHORITY FOR THAT.
MR. SING IT, IT, WELL, IS THIS COMMON AREA FENCE? UM, HERE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I, I THINK THERE'S A, THE LOWER PORTION OF THE STORY IS RETAINING WALL AND THE HOMES ARE BUILT BEHIND IT ARE ELEVATED.
IT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE THE, WELL, WE'RE SPECULATING.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
IT'S CLOSE TO 11 FEET OR CLOSE TO 12 FEET ON THE, ON THE STREET SIDE OF THAT WALL.
TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ENTRANCE OF A GATED COMMUNITY.
IT IS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE AREA CONTAINED BEHIND THE WALL IS COMMON AREA ONLY THE, THE DRIVE IN EASEMENT OR SOMETHING.
AND THIS, THE LAST, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTY HAS A SEVEN FOOT EIGHT INCH TALL WALL HERE AT, UM, CREST WAY COURT, UH, SIMILAR TO MINE WHERE IT WRAPS AROUND THE CORNER TO FORM THE ENTRY TO THAT, UH, LITTLE SUBDIVISION IN THERE.
I STILL BELIEVE THAT'S COMMON AREA FENCE.
I MEAN SPECULATING, BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE COMMON AREA FENCE.
SO, UH, JUST TO REMIND YOU, SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A, A EIGHT FOOT WALL THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, AND KEEPS THE, THE BLOCK FACE ALONG, ENFORCE LANDING, UH, CONSISTENT AND I THINK JUST HELPS IMPROVE, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY AND SAFETY FOR THE DOCUMENTS INSIDE, UH, THE HOME HERE.
SO THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PETS FOR KIDS WANDERING AROUND THE STREET.
UM, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY.
I JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO GO MEASURE DEFENSES.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO GUESS FROM PICTURES AND IT'S REALLY NOT POSSIBLE TO DO.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, I DON'T, SIR.
ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS IN FAVOR? SPEAKER, ARE THERE? NO, NONE AGAINST.
UM, YOU CAN REBUT YOURSELF, BUT I, I THANK YOU.
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THIS PART OF THE HEARING AND DO I HAVE A MOTION? YES.UH, MR. SLATE, ONE OF TWO MOTIONS, UH, VICE CHAIR AG.
I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND FIELD NUMBER BDA 2 3 4 DASH 0 7 5 ON APPLICATION OF KEN YOUNG GRANT THROUGH REQUEST OF THIS APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT AND OR MAINTAIN AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH FENCE AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OF THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS FOR FENCES CONTAINED THAT THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE IS AMENDED 'CAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF PROPERTY AND THE TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
THAT'S FURTHER REMOVE FOLLOWING CONDITION BEING IMPOSED FURTHER, THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE WITH HEIGHT AND FENCE LOCATION REQUIREMENTS ILLUSTRATED THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF INVOLVE CEMENT PLANS ARE REQUIRED.
I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT DID A GREAT JOB OF SHOWING THAT, UM, THIS IS VERY COMMON IN THAT NEIGHBORING AREA AND, UM, THE OPPOSITION LETTER I THINK WAS UNDERCUT BY, UM, THE VISUAL EVIDENCE OF THEIR PARTICULAR SITE.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT AGAIN, THEY WEREN'T TURNING TO BUILD MORE HOUSE THAN THEY COULD AND THEN PUSH THE FENCE FORWARD.
UM, FORCE LANE'S A BIG STREET LANE.
MISS MS. MS. WILLIAMS? MR. MILLIKEN? AYE.
MR. SLATE AYE RIGHT TO VOTE? AYE.
IS THERE A SECOND MOTION ON THIS?
POLL DOES NOT HAVE A MOTION? NO.
A MOTION MR. SLATE? UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPEAL NUMBER V 2 3 4 DASH 0 7 5 ON APPLICATION OF KEN YOUNG GRANT THE REQUESTED THE APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT OR MAINTAIN OFFENSE WITH THE PANEL HAVING LESS THAN 50% OPEN SURFACE AREA LOCATED LESS THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE FRONT LOT LINE OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION SURFACE AREA OPENNESS REQUIREMENT FOR FENCES IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, I FURTHER REMOVED THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITION BEING IMPOSED TO FURTHER THE PURPOSE AND THE INTENT OF DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE COMPLIANCE WITH THE PAST TO BE SINCE LOCATION REQUIREMENTS ILLUSTRATED IN THIS RECENT VERSION OF LAW SUBMITTED PLANS ARE REQUIRED.
ADD MR. SECOND DISCUSSION? I WOULD BE A NO ON THIS EXCEPT FOR, UM, IT, IT CONSIDERING, UH, THE EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICANT BROUGHT IS IDENTIFIES THAT THERE IS NO, UM, HARDSHIP, THERE'S NO, UM, ADVERSE EFFECT OF THIS FENCE TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES BECAUSE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE SIMILAR TO OTHERWISE I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A NO 'CAUSE OF THE OPACITY.
THIS IS ALWAYS THE WEIRD KIND OF CASE WHERE WHILE WE DON'T SET A PRECEDENT, WE AFFECT WHEN, WHEN WE PUT A FENCE UP, IF SOMEBODY NEXT DOOR WANTS TO PUT A FENCE UP, WE COME BACK TO LOOK AT WHETHER THERE'S A FENCE.
MS. WILLIAMS. MR. MILLIKEN, PLEASE.
NEXT CASE IS BDA 2 3 4 DASH 7 9 9 3 3 4 EAST R THORNTON FREEWAY.
I'M SORRY, DID I NO, THAT'S RIGHT.
EAST RL THORNTON FREEWAY APPLICATION OF JORDAN CORBITT FOR HIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE PARKING REGULATIONS.
I KNOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE HERE AT HAND OVER, UH, WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE REQUIRED, UH, NOTIFICATION.
UH, WE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A HEARING AND WE, WE NOTICED IT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A HEARING WHERE THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE HIS TIME, OPPOSITION WILL HAVE THEIR TIME, ET CETERA, AND THEN THE BOARD WILL WE'LL, UH, MAKE A DECISION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE BASED ON WHETHER WE THINK FULL NOTICE WAS, UH, PROVIDED.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO HERE IS FIND FACT ON THAT.
UM, ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS CASE? NOT ONLINE EITHER.
JUST SO WOULD YOU PLEASE BE SWORN IN AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS YOU SWEAR TESTIMONY.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND MY ADDRESS IS 1 6 5 PARKSIDE DRIVE, GEORGIA.
UM, AS YOU VICE CHAIR, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION MIS MORNING IS THERE WERE ISSUES WITH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS.
UM, I JUST DID WANT, UH, MAKE A STATEMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE POSTED ALL FIVE SIGNS TO THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE A PHOTO OF DOCUMENTED TIMESTAMPED EVIDENCE THAT THE SIGNS WERE POSTED, UM, AND THOSE WERE PROVIDED TO CITY STAFF.
UM, AND SO YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY I REPRESENT HOME DEPOT AND DID NOT OWN
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THE PROPERTY AND HAVE COMMUNICATED TO THE, THE OWNER THE FIRST TIME THAT THE SIGNS WERE NOT THERE WHEN, UH, SEA STAFF MADE THE, UM, WE PROVIDED THAT PHOTO.I SUBMIT EVIDENCE TO THE CITY.
DID I MISS IT? MR. JORDAN, DO YOU HAVE THE EMAILS THAT, SO IF IT WAS SENT OVER TO US VIA EMAIL, UM, AFTER I HAD COMMUNICATED THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT THERE ARE THE SIGNS THAT THEY SENT US ORIGINALLY SHOWING THAT THEY WERE POSTED WERE GONE, UM, THEY DID SEND US THE PICTURES AND THEY'RE RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
UM, YOU JUST HAVE TO CLICK ON THE, THE IMAGES.
SO YOU SIR, WE HAVE A, AN AFFIDAVIT FROM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY APPOINTING YOU TO REPRESENT THE OWNER.
SO YOU, YOU, UH, YOU EQUATE TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN OUR, IN OUR EYES.
SO YOU MAY HAVE TO WALK US THROUGH TIMING AS WELL.
READ A SECTION OF THE CODE THAT PERTAINS PARTICULAR TO, TO THIS IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO IN THIS SECTION OF CODE DEALING WITH THE NOTIFICATION OF SIGNS, UM, UNDER 5 51 A 1 1 0 6 D FOUR, THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLIED, IS CONSIDERED TO HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE REQUIRED POSTING OF NOTIFICATION SIGNS IF ANY LOST, STOLEN, OR VANDALIZED NOTIFICATION SIGNS ARE TIMELY REPLACED.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO KEEP THE NOTIFICATION SIGNS POSTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS SECTION.
DOES THE SECTION ALSO DISCUSS HOW LONG A SIGN MUST BE POSTED AND DOES IT SAY THINGS LIKE CONTINUOUSLY AND SO BE, UH, IN 1 1 0 6 D ONE IT SAYS ACCEPT AS PROVIDED IN THE SUBSECTION.
THE APPLICANT SHALL POST THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF NOTIFICATION SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY WITHIN 14 DAYS AFTER AN APPLICATION IS FILED.
SO BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW, THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AS TO HOW LONG IT WOULD BE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF IT WAS, I THOUGHT THAT HAD TO BE THERE FOR 30 DAYS DURATION OF THE, UH, UNTIL A DECISION IS MADE UNTIL A DECISION.
SO IF IT WAS DONE ON THE 14TH DAY AND THEN ON THE 16TH DAY WAS THE HEARING, THEORETICALLY IT WAS THERE FOR THE TWO DAYS AND UNDERSTOOD IT MEETS THE, THE STANDARD UNDER THE CODE.
SO THE APPLICATION WAS ACCEPTED IN.
WELL I SEE FIVE SIGNS ON 5 1 24 WERE DELIVERED BY, OKAY.
SO, ALRIGHT, LET, WOULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THESE PICTURES? THIS IS MAY 8TH, 2024 SHOWING ONE SIGN AND RE I DON'T HAVE THE, UM, THE EMAIL WITH PICTURES.
THEY, IF YOU GO LIKE IN THE ORDER OF THE NUMBERS OF THE PICTURES, THEY MAY NOT BE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, MAYBE LIKE, I THINK THEY WOULD GO IN ORDER OF AROUND THE PERIMETER.
I KNOW THE SECOND TIME WE EMAILED YOU, THEY DID GO IN ORDER 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
BUT SO APPLICATION ACCEPTED ON MAY THE FIRST, ON MAY THE EIGHTH IS ONE OF THESE SIGNS WERE POSTED TO THE PROPERTY.
UH, FIVE SIGNS WERE POSTED IN LOCATIONS AROUND I 30 OR EAST RL THORNTON FREEWAY AND BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
AND SO THERE'S I THINK 11 PHOTOS OF THE FIRST ONE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF 'EM WERE, WELL YOU'VE GOT THE SAME PICTURES, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT 'EM TIMESTAMPED AND THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS, I BET YOU CAN GO THROUGH 'EM SAME DAY.
LEMME JUST PUT 'EM IN ORDER BECAUSE, UM, THEY DIDN'T COME IN ORDER, THEY WERE IN APOLOGIES FOR THAT.
SO WE, WE POSTED 'EM ON FILE A, UM, I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM, UH, MS. JORDAN ON 5 24 THAT THEY CONDUCTED SITE VISIT.
UH, WE ASKED AND SHE MAY, MAY NOTICE THAT IF SIGNS WERE NOT POSTED THEN YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, REMAIN ON THE JUNE HEARING.
UM, SO WE ASKED HER, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE DONE? BLESS, HERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PHOTOS THAT THE SIGNS WERE POSTED.
UM, SHE SAID, WELL, SINCE YOU HAVE PHOTO EVIDENCE, WE WILL REMAKE THE SIGNS FOR FREE.
WE WENT AND PICKED THEM BACK UP AND THEN WE HAVE MORE PHOTOS FROM 5 29 THAT THEY WERE POSTED BACK TO THE SITE.
UM, AND AT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I, I KNOW SHE'S MENTIONED THAT SHE WENT TO THE SITE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES.
UH, I THINK THE LAST TIME WE SAW THREE SIGNS THAT WERE THERE.
MM-HMM,
AND THEN ONCE SHE TURNED THIS MORNING TO BUCK, TWO SIGNS THAT CONTINUED ON OR, UM, SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE TIMING OF, OF THIS.
SO I'M SEEING A LOT OF MAY 8TH.
SO THESE ARE ALL MAY 8TH THAT SHE PULLED FOR THAT EMAIL.
THERE'S A SEPARATE EMAIL WITH FIVE MORE
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PHOTOS FROM THE, THE 5 25.SO AGAIN, THIS HAS TO BE PART OF OUR RECORD.
UH, SO THE ONES FROM, I RECEIVED THEM ON THE, ON THE 30TH OF MAY AND I'LL OPEN THEM IN ORDER.
AND THOSE, SHOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CATCH 1, 2, 3, 4, 5? THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IN ORDER EITHER.
I'M TRYING TO OPEN 'EM IN ORDER.
ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S FROM THE 30TH.
HERE'S THE FIRST IMAGE, AND THAT WOULD BE STARTING AT THE CORNER.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, THE NORTHEAST WEST CORNER OF THE SITE AND WORKING YOUR WAY TO THE NORTHEAST AND THEN TO THE SOUTH.
SO THIS IS COMING UP, UH, STILL ALONG EAST R THORNTON.
UH, RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT CAR IS TURNING TO THE RIGHT IS, UH, TURNING ON BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
HERE'S OUR THIRD THAT IS JUST TURNING ONTO BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
THAT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
AND THAT ONE'S AT THE, UH, CURRENT DEAD END BARRIER THAT'S THERE AT, UM, ON BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
OKAY, SO THESE ARE THE LATEST ONES, THE FIRST SET OF US.
I BELIEVE THERE'S 10 STARTING WITH THIS ONE TITLED IMAGE SEVEN.
DID YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THOSE? BE EIGHTH ONE UP TO YOU GUYS? IT SHOULD BE IN THE SAME.
YEAH, GUYS, UM, WE, WE CAN'T TAKE A TECHNICAL VOTE ON THIS, BUT GIVEN WHAT MR. SAP READ, IT IS MY OPINION THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF WORKED TOGETHER AND AT LEAST GOOD FAITH.
AND THERE WERE SIGNS, SOME SIGNS OF, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THERE WAS THREE.
SO, UM, WE WENT OUT AFTER MAY 30TH WHEN WE RECEIVED THE NOTIFICATION FROM UM, JORDAN'S TEAM THAT THE SIGNS HAD BEEN POSTED AND THERE WAS ONLY THREE, THE ORIGINAL TIMES WE HAD PICTURES.
UM, WE WENT OUT LIKE TWO OR OR THREE OR FOUR TIMES BEFORE THIS.
UM, MAY 30TH OR MAY 30TH PICTURES WERE SENT TO US.
AND, UH, WE DID TAKE PICTURES OF THE SITE, BUT THERE WERE NO PIC, THERE WERE NO SUBJECT, UM, NOT SUBJECT SITES.
THERE WERE NO NOTIFICATION SIGNS POSTED.
NONE NOT, IT WASN'T JUST A FUNCTION OF THERE WAS THREE.
RIGHT? THERE WERE ONLY THREE, UM, UP AFTER WE WENT OUT ON MAY 30TH.
SO WE KNOW THEY WERE THERE ON THE EIGHTH.
ACCORDING TO THE PICTURES, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S AI, BUT, UM, BUT BETWEEN MAY 8TH AND MAY 30TH, THERE WAS NOTHING OUT THERE WHEN WE WENT OUT AND WE TOOK PICTURES AND THERE WERE NO NOTIFICATIONS, 29TH AND THE 20.
AND SO, AND, AND IT WAS ON THE 29TH THAT YOU NOTIFIED THE OWNER 24TH.
YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUT OR SOMETHING.
I JUST, THE LANDSCAPE CREW COULD BE RUNNING THEM, RUNNING THEM DOWN.
SO GUYS, THE DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE IS WHETHER WE THINK THIS QUALIFIES AS GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO POST THE SIGNS AND NOTIFY AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, ONE MECHANISM.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, SO IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, THEN, THEN WE'LL EITHER, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THE ATTORNEY HAS SAID TO US THAT OUR ONLY OPTIONS WOULD BE TO VOTE TO, UH, EXTEND THE, THE HEARING OF DIFFERENT DATES CERTAIN OR DENY WITH OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
IF YOU DO BELIEVE THEY'RE IN GOOD FAITH, THEN WE CAN HEAR IT WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF, UM, OF APPROVING IT.
UH, EITHER WAY WE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE CASE, BUT IT REALISTICALLY WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF, IF, UH, IF WE DON'T BELIEVE AS A, AS A WHOLE THAT THIS QUALIFIES AS GOOD FAITH, THEN I'D SORT OF RATHER KNOW THAT, UM, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE ATTORNEY IS THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU READ, WE DO HAVE A DETERMINATION TO MAKE IN THAT CASE, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT ISSUE AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE THAT THE HEARING REGARDLESS OF THE ANSWER? YEAH.
'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT MECHANISM DO WE HAVE TO EVEN ASK THAT QUESTION? WELL, YEAH, THERE'S NOT REALLY, THERE'S NO REALLY TRADITION TO, TO DO THAT.
UM, AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T UTILIZE LIKE STRAW VOTE LIKE THEY DO IN CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO IT PROBABLY WOULD BE BEST TO JUST TO LET HIM PROCEED WITH HIS PRESENTATION AND THEN MAKE THE MOTION AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AS THE
SO WE'VE SPENT OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS.
I, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU 10 MINUTES BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS, WELL, LET'S DO FIVE MINUTES.
OUR, OUR QUESTIONS DON'T COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME, MR. SLATE.
CAN I ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NOTICE? SURE.
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I'M UNDERSTANDING RIGHT, YOU WERE NOTIFIED ON THE 24TH THAT THE SIGNS WEREN'T ALL OUT THERE.THAT WAS THE FRIDAY BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND? I THINK SO.
AND THEN YOU HAVE PICTURE EVIDENCE THAT ON THE 29TH THE SIGNS WERE ALREADY BACKED BY, AND THAT MUST MEAN YOU GOT THE SIGNS PRESUMABLY ON THE NEXT BUSINESS DAY THAT THE CITY WAS OPEN ON THE 28TH OR MAYBE THE 29TH WHO PUT THEM UP? YOU'RE AN ALPHA RED, AM I? SURE, SURE.
BUT THAT WAS THE, AS SOON AS WE FOUND, LIKE I GOT THE EMAIL FROM MS. JORDAN, I EMAILED HIM.
SO I'M, I'M IN GEORGIA IN OUR ALFRED OFFICE.
UM, OUR LOCAL TEAM HERE IN DALLAS IS WHO'S BEEN HELPING ME POST ASIDES.
SO I IMMEDIATELY GOT WITH, UH, HER NAME'S NICOLE EXHIBIT, UM, SHE WENT, OH, THAT'S WHO THIS PERSON IS.
SORRY, THAT'S WHO THIS PERSON IS WHO IS NOTARIZING DOCUMENT FILE THE APPLICATION.
AND SO SHE, UM, CONNECTED WITH, UM, CITY STAFF, THEY REID, UH, THE SIGNS AND THEN PICKED THEM BACK UP AND THEN POSTED 'EM.
AND IT APPEARS TO BE ON THE 29TH WHEN THEY POSTED.
HAVE THERE BEEN ADDITIONAL EFFORTS TO GET MORE SIGNS AFTER YOU HEARD THAT A FEW WERE MISSING? SO AFTER WE POSTED THE SECOND TIME THAT MS. JORDAN HAS MENTIONED THAT I GUESS SHE EMAILED, UM, MS. TIBIT THAT THEY WERE MISSING, BUT I HAD, I WAS HER ADVISE.
SO I'M HEARING, AND THIS MORNING WAS THE FIRST I HEARD THAT THEY WERE NOT ALL FIVE OUT THERE.
MY QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE DIRECTED TO STAFF.
SO, UM, ON THE APPEAL SIGNAGE, IS IT ADDRESSING THE SPACE, THE PARKING SPACES? IS THAT WHAT IS ON THE SIGNAGE? IS THAT CORRECT? THE SIGNAGE, UM, THAT'S OUR STANDARD SIGN.
RIGHT? IT JUST, IT'S THE STANDARD SIGN WITH THE CASE NUMBER.
SO IF THEY SCAN THAT QR CODE, IT'LL TAKE THEM TO THE LIST OF CASES FOR THE MONTH AND THEY CAN GO TO THAT CASE NUMBER AND SEE WHAT THE APPEAL OR REQUEST IS.
'CAUSE MY CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH IT NOT BEING REPRESENTED CORRECTLY, PROSECUTION IS FOR THE CONSTITUENTS IN THE DISTRICT NOT BEING AWARE OF IT FOR THE PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO MY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT WORKS IS THAT THIS IS A STANDARD SIGN NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF CASE WE HAVE, IT'S THE SAME SIGN.
SO IT ESSENTIALLY SAYS, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, CONTACT THE CITY.
IT ALSO MENTIONS THAT IF YOU TAKE THE SIGN YOU CAN BE PROSECUTED.
THIS SAYS, IF YOU TOOK THE SIGN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? SO YEAH, OKAY.
I I, GO AHEAD MRS. ALSO TO, TO STAFF, UM, JUST TO BE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING, TIMELINE, UM, MR. JORDAN, JORDAN, COR, MR. COR, MR. CORBETT, MR. CORRA MENTIONED THAT THEY PUT SIGNS, UM, BACK UP.
SOME POINT AFTER THAT, 24TH BEFORE THEN BETWEEN THE EIGHTH AND THE 29TH OF MAY, WE NOTICED THAT THERE WERE NO SIGNS OUT THERE.
SO YOU SAID YOU WENT FOUR TIMES? WE WENT FOUR TIMES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE DAYS YOU WERE OUT THERE? UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT DAY YOU DROVE IT? I THINK SHE MENTIONED THE SECOND TIME AFTER THE 29TH SHE SAW THREE SIGNS.
AFTER THE 29TH WE SAW THE THREE SIGNS, NOT THE FIVE, UM, BUT BETWEEN THE EIGHTH AND 29TH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY AFTER OUR LAST HEARING.
UH, SO OUR LAST HEARING WAS MAY 20TH OR, OR PANEL C, BUT WE'RE MONDAY.
SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE 24TH WOULD'VE BEEN THE THURSDAY.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SO WE HAD THE 29TH.
SO WE WENT ON THE 29TH OF MAY.
I'M LOOKING AT THE VEHICLE RESERVATIONS.
UM, 29TH IS A WEDNESDAY AND THE 20TH IS A WEDNESDAY.
AND THEN THIS IS, UH, YEAH, 'CAUSE THE 20TH WAS A MONDAY.
WHEN WAS MEMORIAL DAY SINCE YOU 11TH.
WE WENT, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE DATE 22ND.
SO WE WENT, UM, WE WENT MAY 10TH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
WE WENT THE 16TH, THE 17TH, THE 23RD, 10TH, 24TH, 16, 17, 20.
AND THE 30TH, 3 24 AND 30 MM-HMM.
AND ON THE 30TH THERE WERE THREE SIGNS.
BUT ON THE 10TH, 16TH, 17TH, 23, 24, THERE WAS ZERO.
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AND AFTER THE 10, THE 16, WHENEVER DID YOU EMAIL YES.AND YOU, HAVE YOU EMAILED AND CALLED THE, THE OWNER EMAILED? EMAILED? UH, NICOLE.
SHE WAS THE RUNNER AND SHE WAS THE ONE THAT INTRODUCED, WE HAD BEEN WORKING TOGETHER PREVIOUSLY, UM, OKAY.
AND WE HAD BEEN COMMUNICATING STUFF.
SO, SO MS. MS. JORDAN, AFTER THE 29TH, YOU OBSERVED THAT THERE WERE THREE SIGNS AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN FIVE SIGNS AT ANY POINT, THERE HAS NOT BEEN AS FAR AS YOU HAVE OBSERVED.
AND THEN WE ALSO WENT BACK OUT, UM, AFTER THE 30TH, UH, TO GET THE 200 FOOT RADIUS STUDIO.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE DAY, BUT I KNOW IT WAS AFTER THE 30TH.
THERE WERE STILL ONLY THREE SIGNS.
THE SIGNS THAT YOU SAW IN THE VIDEO, WE WERE IN THE, UM, VEHICLE WHEN THE SIGNS WERE.
SO THE 29TH THOUGH, THEY WERE FIVE? WELL, NO, THE 29TH, THEY WERE THREE.
WAS THAT THE 29TH? THAT WAS THE QUESTION ON THE 30TH.
THE PICTURES THAT ARE DATED THE 30TH OR THE 29TH, WE WENT OUT ON THE 30TH AND THAT'S WHEN WE SAW THE THREE SIGNS.
SO THEY SENT US ALL FIVE PICTURES OR PICTURES OF ALL FIVE SIGNS.
BUT WHEN WE WENT OUT THE NEXT DAY, THERE WERE ONLY THREE SIGNS.
WE HAVE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THERE WERE FIVE SIGNS ON THE EIGHTH.
29TH THE CORRECT DATE FOR THE 200 FOOT RADIUS VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE THREE SIGNS WAS JUNE 8TH, ME AND, UH, BRIAN THOMPSON WERE IN THE VEHICLE.
ARE THERE OTHER FACTS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW? AND I, I, THOSE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH SHOULD ALL GO INTO OUR RECORD.
ALL OF THAT OTHER FACTS ON IT ON MY END THAT I, OKAY.
SO PER MR. SAPP, WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE HEARING.
IF AT SOME POINT WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT SIGNS, WE'LL JUST DO IT.
BUT, UH, AT, SO AT, AT THE END, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT AND, UH, POTENTIALLY ON THE MERITS OF THE ACTUAL CASE.
SO THAT SAID, WILL YOU TELL US WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO? AND IF YOU HEARD THIS MORNING AT LEAST I HAD A, I HAD A HARD TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DENOMINATOR, THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF SPACES ARE AND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BECAUSE I SAW IT ON ALL SORTS OF, AND THE DIFFERENT NUMBERS ON DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
SO, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MAYBE A DOCUMENT THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED TO THE STAFF THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN.
BUT EXCUSE ME, I OH, I'M SO SORRY.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE, UM, THE 200 FOOT RADIUS VIDEOS WERE, UM, WE GOT THOSE ON JUNE 8TH, NOT JUNE OR EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME.
JUNE 4TH, NOT JUNE, EIGHTH, JUNE.
DO YOU HAVE THAT PRESENTATION THAT I PREPARED? YES, I DO.
I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT FIVE MINUTES.
YOU, THIS IS COMPLICATED, BUT NOT FIVE MINUTES IS I'LL HAVE DISCUSSION.
UH, THE MICROPHONE WHERE HE IS, IS CAUGHT FROM UP HIGH, I BELIEVE.
ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING HIM? NO, I CAN HEAR HIM, BUT IT'S VERY NOT QUIET.
I CAN HEAR HER, BUT IT'S VERY QUIET.
SO, UM, MY NAME IS JORDAN CORBETT.
I AM, UH, ONE OF HOME'S SITE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATORS WORK FOR HOR ASSOCIATES, UM, MYSELF AND THEN OUR LOCAL OFFICE, MAINLY TRAFFIC ENGINEER CHRISTIAN DELUCA, WHO WORKED TOGETHER TO PREPARE THE INFORMATION FOR SUBMITTED TODAY REQUESTING THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE PARKING REGULATIONS OF CITY PASSCODE.
UH, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO HOME DEPOT IS INTERESTED IN THIS LOCATION AT 9 3 3 4 EAST R FOUR FREEWAY.
UM, MAINLY DUE TO THEIR CURRENT PROGRAM IS THEY'RE TRYING TO, UM, RELIEVE EXISTING STORES IN THEIR MARKETS, UH, THAT ARE OVER CAPACITY.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF LARGE INFLUX OF PEOPLE INTO DALLAS IN PARTICULAR ABOUT ALL TEXAS AND FLORIDA AND SOUTHERN STATES.
AND, UM, THAT'S CAUSING SOME OF THEIR EXISTING STORES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE TO REACH CAPACITY.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND LOCATIONS TO HELP RELIEVE.
AND THE NUMBER ONE STORE THEY WANT TO RELIEVE WITH THIS LOCATION IS FROM THE SKI STORE, UH, WHICH IS ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILES FROM THE, THE PROJECT SITE.
UM, INSPECTED THE NEW STORE IMPACT.
SO YEAH, SO WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING WITH THIS STORE IS THAT IT WILL WITHDRAW SOME OF THE CUSTOMERS AWAY FROM MESQUITE AND INTO THIS NEW LOCATION.
IS ELAM ROAD MESQUITE? MM, DALLAS DEPENDS BOX.
WHICH ONE OF THESE FOUR IS MESQUITE? UH, THE ONES AT THE RIGHT.
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IS NOT SO I'M LOOKING AT FIVE 18.UH, SO THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE.
UM, WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME WALKING AROUND WITH THE PERIMETER OF IT, BUT, UH, IT'S BORDERED BY EAST R GORDON FREEWAY TO THE NORTH AND BUCKER BOULEVARD TO THE EAST.
UM, AND THEN HERE IN THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING ABOUT BUCKER BOULEVARD.
SO CURRENTLY TODAY IT IS A DEAD END STREET AND A DEAD ENDS AT THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY THAT IS SHARED WITH SAM'S TO THE SOUTH RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO THAT BARRIER THERE, I GUESS WAS, WAS ADDED JUST SOUTH OF THAT SOUTHERN DRIVE, UH, ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE STORE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT, IT ORIGINALLY WAS A KMART, UM, AND THEN THAT WAS THE IT TIRE SERVICE CENTER TO THE SOUTH.
UM, WE HAVE ALREADY FILED A PRE PLAT TO COMBINE THE TWO LOTS INTO ONE.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY, AND THERE'S A PRE PLAT APPROVED, HAS NOT GONE THROUGH A FINAL PLAT.
LET ME INTERRUPT BECAUSE THIS MAY, DOES THAT MEAN IN THIS CASE AS IT IS NOW? MM-HMM.
NORMALLY WE WOULD ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT PARKING AGREEMENTS, EVEN IF IT WAS WITH THE SAME OWNER, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OH WAIT, IF IT WAS THE SAME OWNER, BECAUSE IF THE KMART WAS BUILT AND THAT COULD MAKE SURE YOU'RE TALKING ON THE RECORD.
JUST MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S CATCHING IT.
EVERYBODY NEEDS THIS WEDNESDAY.
I BRAINSTORM FOR YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO BRAINSTORM.
WELL, WE HAVE TO DO IT ON THE RECORD.
SO IF THE KMART WAS BUILT OVER TWO LOCKS AND IT WAS APPROVED, SO THEREFORE IT COULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS A LEGAL BUILDING SITE, THAT IS THE REASON WHY I WANT TO DISCUSS IT FIRST.
BECAUSE WE DON'T GET INTO LEGAL BUILDING SITES HERE.
THAT'S DEAL WITH ON THE PERMITTING SIDE, WE DEAL WITH REQUESTS FOR PARKING AND SETBACKS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WE DON'T GET INTO LEGAL BUILDING SITES, BUT WE ARE A PART OF A PERMITTING PROCESS.
NO, AGAIN, IF WE APPROVE YOU, WE HAVE A PERMIT, BUT WE DON'T DETERMINE LEGAL BUILDING SITES.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE DON'T DO PLATS? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY LEGAL BUILDING? YES.
SO IF, IF SOMEONE WAS TO COME IN HERE AND PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU APPROVED A SITE PLAN, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTED PROCESS TO MAKE SURE IT IS A LEGAL BUILDING SITE.
AND IF THAT WAS A KMART AT ONE POINT AND THE KMART HAD THE SERVICE CENTER ON A QUOTE UNQUOTE SEPARATE LOT FROM THE ACTUAL BUILDING, OR IF THAT BUILDING CROSSED PROPERTY LINES, IT COULD HAVE BEEN PERMANENT IN THAT FORMAT.
WELL, IT DIDN'T CROSS THE PROPERTY LINE LUCKILY, ACCORDING TO THIS.
RIGHT? SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S POSSIBLE A PERMIT COULD HAVE BEEN ISSUED EITHER AN ERROR OR NOT? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE RULES WERE BACK WHEN THAT KMART WAS BUILT AND WHAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WERE, THEN THEY CHANGE OVER TIME.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HONOR CERTAIN LEGAL BUILDING, UH, CONFIGURATIONS, CERTAIN LOCK CONFIGURATIONS.
I'M GONNA, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID WE DON'T GET INTO LEGAL BUILDING SITES.
FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW, I WOULD ASSUME THAT BECAUSE WE'RE HERE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THAT AND DECIDED THIS WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO APPROACH IT.
NOW, EARLIER WHEN I ASKED, WE HAD CONCLUDED THIS WAS ONE LOT.
IT APPARENTLY INTENDS TO BE ONE LOT.
I'M GONNA ASSUME IF IT WAS TWO LOTS THAT THE OLD KMART OR WHATEVER IT WAS PARKED ON ITS OWN LOT AND WHATEVER THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE WAS MET ITS PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON THE SECOND LOT.
BUT, SO NOW I'M ASKING YOU WHERE WE FIT IN THE ORDER OF PLATTING.
IF THEY'RE GONNA PLAT THINGS TOGETHER, WOULDN'T THAT WIPE OUT ANYTHING WE DO? HMM.
STILL WOULD NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING OF THE HOME IMPROVEMENT USE BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
ARE YOU GONNA CARVE OUT THIS TOP RIGHT OR IS THAT WHY YOU'RE NOT USING THAT'S THE INTENT IS THAT, UM, WHEN I'M HOME DEPOT AND, AND WE LOOKED AT IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HIT THE SITE FOR WHAT THEY NEEDED FOR PARKING AND THEN THE REST OF IT, THERE IS NO PLANS TO DO ANYTHING FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
WHY NOT USE THAT SPACE AS PARKING? THEY WANTED TO, TO MINIMIZE THEIR, THEIR COST ESSENTIALLY AND, AND KEEP IT TO WHAT THEY NEEDED.
THE COST TO STRIKE THE PAVEMENT OUT THERE IS LOTS OF POTHOLES, LOTS OF EVERYTHING
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ELSE OUT THERE.THE PAVEMENT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 20, 30 YEARS AND COULD BE A SAFETY HAZARD.
I MEAN, I MEAN YEAH, GO AHEAD MR. SASHEN.
EITHER WAY IT COULD BE A SAFETY HAZARD.
UM, I I, SORRY, THIS IS MY, THAT WAS A RANDOM THOUGHT.
THE PROPERTY, THEY LEASING IT FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.
AND THEN SO THEY WOULD, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
SO I'M GONNA ASSUME, UH, IN, IN YOUR, IN THE, THE SITE PLANS, I'VE SEEN, UH, HOME DEPOT IS EXPRESSLY NOT COUNTING ANY SQUARE FOOTAGE.
NOT, YOU'RE NOT IN, IN YOUR HEAD USING ANY OF THAT FOR YET.
THIS IS CURRENTLY TWO AND ONLY TWO LOTS.
YOU ARE RE PLATTING ALL OF THEM TOGETHER? OR ARE YOU RE PLATTING PARTS OF IT AND CUTTING OFF THE CORNER? I GUESS I, I, QUESTION ONE IS WHY NOT JUST USE THE EXISTING PARKING? UH, TWO IS IS FOR THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT ORDER WE HAVE TO OPERATE IN.
UM, BUT SO, SO TO YOU, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE TOP RIGHT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NOT USE IT.
SO IN THE TOP, SO YOUR INTENT IS TO, WHETHER IT WAS ONE LOT OR TWO LOTS IS TO, TO CREATE THE LOT THAT YOU SEE ON SITE PLAN, RIGHT? THE ONE FOR THE HOME DEPOT AND ONE FOR THE, THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, THE ONE ON THE TOP RIGHT CORNER.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE OWNER WILL RETAIN THAT PIECE OF, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 0.9 ACRES.
DO IT WHAT THEY WANT WITH THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE LOT.
SO WHATEVER'S THERE TODAY, THEY WOULD WIND UP LEAVING IT.
THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE ESSENTIALLY, UM, A PARKING LOT AROUND IT.
NINE ACRES WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PARKING THEMSELVES AND, YOU KNOW, NOT SHARING ANY OF THE HOME DEPOT PARKING.
SO TO DO THAT, WOULD THEY HAVE TO REFL THAT CORNER OR COULD THEY JUST, YOU CAN BUILD AS MANY BUILDINGS ON A LOT AS YOU WANT, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
SO, UM, WELL, NOT AS YOU WANT, BUT COULD, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO, ARE YOU ASKING IF THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT? WOULD THEY HAVE TO REFL THAT PORTION? THE TOP UH, YEAH, THE, THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY NOT USE IT? I THINK HE'S ANSWERED THAT.
WELL, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT I THINK I UNDERSTAND THERE.
THERE'S AN OWNERSHIP GROUP THAT OWNS ALL OF IT.
THE OWNERSHIP GROUP WOULD LIKE TO LEASE TO HOME DEPOT A PART OF IT AND RETAIN A PART OF IT TO DO SOMETHING WITH, AND IN ORDER TO CARVE OUT THAT SPACE, THEY NEED THE PARKING REDUCTION.
THAT'S, I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING.
BUT, WELL, EVEN, EVEN, BUT THAT SPACE POTENTIALLY, THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE FIVE 12, WHICH IS THE, THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF SPACES.
AND THOSE CURRENTLY PARKING 4 22 EMPLOYEE CUSTOMER STALLS.
SO THERE'S A A, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 45 STALLS THAT ARE STILL OUT IN THE HOME DEPOT PARKING LOT ONTO THE SITE PLAN.
THE TOTALS 467, BUT THOSE 45 WERE TAKEN UP BY EQUIPMENT, RENTAL EMPLOYEES SHEDS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO 4 22 IS TRUE CUSTOMER AND EMPLOYEE.
FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT, IN TERMS OF WHAT COUNTS.
SO WHAT'S YOUR, OKAY, THAT SEASONAL, SOMETHING THAT WE SAW, IS THAT THE 40 SOME ODD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MARKED ON THE SITE PLAN.
ARE YOU ABOUT TO PUT UP A SITE PLAN? THE NEXT ONE? YES.
LET'S TALK AND WE'LL BE STILL POWERPOINT, SO IT'S ALRIGHT.
SO ON THE, THE LOWER, THE BOTTOM SIDE THERE, THE NUMBERS 7 5 4 5 AND SEVEN.
I TAKE THAT ONE BECAUSE IT, THE TRUCK RENTAL, TRAILER DISPLAY AND EQUIPMENT RENTAL, THOSE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTOR TYPE USES.
AND THEY'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE THE LUMBER CANOPY WILL BE IN THE PRO PRO ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE INTENTION IS TO KNOCK THAT BUILDING DOWN AND PUT UP A CANOPY.
THAT LAW FIRM BUILDING, IT'D BE A BRAND NEW HOMEM DEPOT.
SO EVERYTHING GETS RAISED AND THEN YOU'D PUT UP A BRAND NEW PROTOTYPICAL M DEPOT STORE.
BUT DOWN HERE, DOWN THERE, THERE, IT WOULD BE A PARKING LOT.
BUT THOSE STALLS WOULD BE ALLOCATED IN M DEPOT'S MINE FOR CONTRACT EIGHT, YOU KNOW, TRAILER SPACES.
AND THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE IS THE GARDEN CENTER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, HOME DEPOT'S ACROSS AMERICA OUT IN FRONT OF THE GARDEN CENTER
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IS WHERE THEY PUT THOSE SEASONAL SALES KIND OF, UH, CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS OR MINUS.THAT'S NOT HERE, HUH? YEAH, IT IS, IT IS EXISTING STALLS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DURING THE SPRING THERE'LL BE PLANTS OUT THERE IN THE, IN THE FALL AND WINTER THERE'LL BE PUMPKINS AND CHRISTMAS TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
OH, SO THAT'S WHAT OH, YOUR POINT DOWN TO IT AND THAT'S 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN ON THE GARDEN CENTER SIDE, THE WELL NUMBER SIX WOULD BE SHED DISPLAY.
THAT'S EASILY TAKES OUT FOR THE SIX SPACES.
SO WHEN YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY SHED DISPLAY, ARE YOU DOING THIS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU DO BUSINESS AND YOU KNOW, AND IN YOUR MIND HOME DEPOT ALLOCATES THIS STUFF? OR ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SAY BUILD A STRUCTURE ON THOSE WHERE NUMBER SIX IS, AND THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE FINAL NUMBERS, ARE THOSE INCLUDED OR PULLED OUT? SO THE WAY HOME DEPOT LOOKS AT IT, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
AND, AND IT'S OUR OUT TO TRY TO TRANSLATE THAT TO A CITY REQUIREMENT.
BUT HOME DEPOT, THE WAY THEY LOOK AT IT, RIGHT.
THEY NEED BASED OFF THEIR BUSINESS AND HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY REVENUE THEY PLAN ON GENERATING FOR THE STORE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S GONNA BE FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS ALL OF THE FW HOUSTON KIND OF AREA.
RIGHT NOW THAT'S AROUND 3 75 TO 400 SPACES IS WHAT THEY'RE TELLING THEMSELVES THEY NEED FOR EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS.
SO THEY ALSO KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OPERATIONS OUT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT OF SHE TRAILERS, WHATEVER.
THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE 3 75 TO 400 MM-HMM.
SO WE HAVE 422 OF THOSE CUSTOMER AND EMPLOYEE SPACES, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 45.
THE SEASONAL SALES, THEY DON'T INCLUDE AS LIKE THOSE ADDITIONAL 10,000 SQUARE FEET WITH PERMANENT SPACES LOST BECAUSE IT'S TEMPORARY.
UM, SO THE, THE 45 NUMBER IS THOSE ADDITIONAL USES, I JUST, THAT ARE LISTED IN THERE.
ESSENTIALLY THAT, UM, EXCEPT FOR THAT OF SALES, THAT GETS YOU TO THE 467 NUMBER, WHICH IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STRIPED PARKING SPACES YOU WOULD SEE ON THE SITE IF NOTHING WAS THERE.
I WANT GO A QUICK SIDE DIRECTION WITHOUT, IS TDOT TAKING LANDER OR THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN IT? WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE
'CAUSE WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING INTO THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
UM, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, THAT IS READY TO BE SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING DRAWINGS.
UM, AND OUR CONVERSATION FROM TDOT, THEY'RE WIDENING LIKE I 30 OR EAST THORNTON.
AND SO THEY SAID THAT THEY WILL BE TAKING, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION TO THEM, UM, THEY'LL REQUIRE A TAKE OF THAT GRAY AREA.
SO THAT'S THE GREAT, SO THEY'RE NOT TAKING ANYTHING DOWN HERE? NO.
UH, THEY TECHNICALLY OWN, ESSENTIALLY UP TO THAT PRIVATE DRIVE THAT'S SHARED WITH SAM'S, BUT THEY ALREADY OWN THAT.
IT TECHNICALLY TEXTILE RIGHT AWAY.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, CITY OF DALLAS ESSENTIALLY MANAGES THAT.
SO THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IS WITH CITY OF DALLAS? I BELIEVE.
SO LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT SOUTH PART GOES TO REVIEW BY TDOT, BUT REALLY CITY OF DALLAS HAS A YES OR NO.
SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WHAT I'M, THE REASON I ASKED IS I WAS WONDERING WHETHER WE GO THROUGH THIS AND THEN TDOT COMES AND CLIPS SOME OF THE, SOME MORE LAND.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THIS GRAY IS ALREADY ACTUALLY NOT PART OF THE OWNER THAT'S OWNED BY THE STATE AND THAT IT'S TECHNICALLY PART OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING.
THEY'RE NOT THERE YET, SO THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN IT YET.
SO THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN IT YET.
BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE SHARED THEIR PLANNING WITH US.
THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, WHICH THEY'RE SOMATIC DESIGN.
SO YOU ARE NOT PLANNING IN HERE TO USE ANYTHING.
EXCEPT FOR THE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING DRIVE FILES.
AND, AND OUR THOUGHT IS IF WE GET THOSE IN BEFORE THEY TAKE IT, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO HOPEFULLY WORK AROUND IT OR MODIFY IT WHEN THEY COME THROUGH.
I ASSUME YOU HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF DEALING WITH TECH STOCK AND THESE THINGS IN THE PAST.
THIS ONE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN PRETTY PLEASANTLY.
SO THE, THE NEXT ONE BREAKS IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
THE NEXT SLIDE, UM,
WHEN YOU SAY ADDITIONAL AREAS NOT INCLUDED IN PARKING PROVIDED, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN IT'S, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE JUST TALKED, TAUGHT US.
SO IN THE END I'M LOOKING AT A NUMERATOR AND A DENOMINATOR.
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THE PROVIDED ARE YOU SAYING NOT INCLUDED? SO, SO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE REDUCTION IS 18%.THE 90 SPACES IS THE DELTA OF IT.
AND THIS FOUR SEVEN PROVIDE, WELL THE 4 67 IS JUST THE NUMBER PROVIDED THAT IS, YOU WALK OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, GRAND BEFORE GRAND OPENING, BEFORE THEY PUT ALL THE EQUIPMENT, EVERYTHING OUT THERE, YOU WOULD SEE 467 STRIPE PARKING SPACES, DAY ONE OF GRAND OPENING.
WHEN THEY HAVE ALL THEIR USES OUT THERE, YOU WOULD SEE 420 AVAILABLE FROM THE PERMITTING.
IF YOU'RE PURELY LOOKING AT IT AS A PERIMETER, HOW MANY SPACES ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING? 4 24 22 4 22 MM-HMM.
NO, IT IT'LL BE THE FOUR 14 MINUS THE TWO.
IT'D BE FIVE 14 MINUS THE TWO IS FIVE 12 WITHIN THE 90 OR MINUS THE 90 IS 4 22.
EVERYTHING YOU SAID WAS CORRECT.
I WAS JUST, I JUST SAID IT BACKWARDS.
REAL, REAL REQUIREMENT IS 4 4 5 14 AND YOU GET THE, THE PUTTING THE BIKE PARKING.
SO YOU GET THE TWO SUBTRACTED FROM THAT HERE AT FIVE 12 IS A REQUIREMENT.
4 22 IS WHAT WE WILL BE PROPOSING.
THANK UM, AND THEN, UH, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO WE, WE DID DO A PARKING STUDY.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE GOES INTO, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, PARKING STUDY OF THE, OF THE NEARBY, UH, STORE IS THE ONE OFF OF SKILLMAN STREET FOR THE, THE NORTHWEST OUTSIDE OF SITE.
UM, AND WE, WE DID IT ON A THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, WHICH IS WHAT THE ITE UH, PARKING MANUAL.
WHAT'S THAT? FROM A PEAK COMMAND REQUEST? WHAT IS ITE UH, INTERNATIONAL TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S A STANDARD THAT YES, YES.
UM, CHRISTIAN WOULD BE GETTING ON OUR TRAFFIC CALLED VIRTUALLY.
UM, BUT, UH, SO THE ITE RECOMMENDS LIKE WHEN TO GO TO DO THE ANALYSIS.
UH, WE DID IT BASED OFF THAT MANUAL, WHICH IS THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY FROM APPROXIMATELY 11 TO 2:00 PM 11 AND 2:00 PM AND WHEN WE DID THAT, UH, THE PEAK DEMAND WAS ON SATURDAY AND I THINK AT LIKE 1:00 PM AND IT WAS 234 VEHICLES OBSERVED IN THAT PARKING LOT.
AND THERE WERE 493 AVAILABLE TO PARKING SPACES.
SO IT WAS APPROXIMATELY LIKE 48% UTILIZED AT EIGHT, UM, FOR THAT TIME.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE DO FLUCTUATE PLUS AND MINUS WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE A BLACK FRIDAY EVENT OR SOMETHING.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE STANDARD IS.
SO, UM, BASED OFF OF THAT INFORMATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT PLUS THE FACT THAT WE'RE IMPACTING OTHER STORES.
PLUS ANOTHER THING WE DIDN'T GO INTO, BUT WITH THE SITE PLAN, HOME DEPOT ACTUALLY USES NINE BY 19 FOOT PARKING STALLS.
SO THEY'RE AN ADDITIONAL, MY UNDERSTANDING MAY BE FOUND IT, BUT ADDITIONAL FOOT FROM WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS AND THE 25 FOOT DRIVE I KNOW.
VERSUS 24 FEET BECAUSE YOU HAVE MOSTLY TRUCKS AND LARGER VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING TO HOME DEPOT.
SO IT, IT HELPS WITH CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
ARE WE 24 FEET IN DALLAS? IS I, IT WAS 25, BUT IT COULD, IT COULD BE.
AND OUR PARKING STALLS ARE 20 FEET WITH A TWO FOOT HANGOVER.
I'M ASKING WHERE A TWO FOOT HANGOVER? UH, IT DEPENDS.
SO PARKING IS, IS BASED ON STALLS.
SO WHETHER IT'S AT A ANGLE OR STRAIGHT IN.
SO IT'S, IF IT'S STRAIGHT IN, WHAT ARE OUR DIMENSIONS? I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS EIGHT BY 20, BUT, BUT THERE'S A TWO FOOT HANGOVER.
CAN YOU SAY THE SAME THING? EIGHT BY 18 YOU SAID EIGHT BY 19.
YEAH, SO, SO HE'S SAYING THEY'RE BIGGER BECAUSE TRUCKS MAKES SENSE.
SO ESSENTIALLY 422 BUT OVER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO GO TO ANOTHER SITE LIKE KROGER TO WHATEVER MM-HMM.
AND NONE OF THESE ARE COMPACT SPACES, I WOULD SAY.
UM, SO BASED OFF, BASED OFF THAT INFORMATION, WE ARE REQUESTING AN 18% PRODUCTION OF PARKING, WHICH IS A 90 SPACE SUBTRACTION FROM THE 512 REQUIREMENT TO ALLOW FOR 422 PARKING SPACES.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND YOU SAID THE, THE PERSON WHO DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS
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ON? HE IS, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S REGISTERED FOR THIS.I I DON'T THINK SHE SAID SHE, HE'S, WELL, WE CAN REGISTER HIM.
UM, 'CAUSE OUR ULTIMATE STANDARD IS THE PARKING DEMAND GENERATED BY THE USE DOES NOT WARRANT THE NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD NOT CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY STREETS.
IF I MAY, THERE ARE TWO OTHER POINTS THAT I FORGOT TO MAKE ON THE SITE PLAN COMPONENT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THIS IS ALL RELATED TO BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
UM, REALLY, SO UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, AND AGAIN, THIS HAS TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY, UH, MR. NAVAREZ OR THE CITY OF DALLAS STAFF.
BUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS, UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
WHEN YOU TURN FROM EAST R THORNTON ONTO BUCKNER, IT'S A, IT'S A WEAVING CONDITION, RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE COMING ON, BUT THEN THERE'S TWO LANES THAT ARE COMING SOUTHBOUND AND ACROSS, UNDERNEATH, UH, EAST HORTON.
SO YOU HAVE THREE LANES COMING TOGETHER, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS OLD BUCKER BOULEVARD PIECE THAT IS STILL THERE.
SO PEOPLE COMING FROM EASTBOUND ON EAST THORNTON COMING SOUTHBOUND ON BUCKER BOULEVARD HAVE TO WEAVE OVER ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT AND WHERE TO ACTUALLY GET ONTO THE NEW BUCKET BOULEVARD.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS RETRIP THAT AREA, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH T AND OBVIOUSLY SEEING DALLAS, BUT, UM, TO TRY AND HELP CREATE A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE HOME DEPOT SITE.
AND THEN, UM, MOVE THAT BARRIER, WHICH IS CURRENTLY FURTHER SOUTH, MOVE IT FURTHER NORTH.
THIS GUY DOWN HERE, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY FURTHER NORTH, IT'S RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND THERE TODAY.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE THAT FURTHER NORTH TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DON'T GO PAST THAT FIRST INTERSECTION WITHOUT TURNING INTO HOME DEPOT OR HAVING ALREADY GOTTEN OVER.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE MOVEMENT THAT SHOULD CREATE A, WE BELIEVE A SAFER CONDITION.
AND THEN DOWN AT THE SOUTH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, TO ADD A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UM, IT'S VERY CONGESTED RIGHT THERE.
IT IS A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, OBVIOUSLY HERE, THE SAM'S AND IT, IT LEADS BACK TO WALMART FURTHER WEST.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOME DEPOT REALLY WANTS THAT MORE FOR CUSTOMERS TO BE ABLE TO EGRESS FROM THEIR PROPERTY THAN ACTUALLY GETTING MM-HMM.
BUT IT WILL HELP LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS NORTHBOUND ON BUCKER BOULEVARD TURNING WEST INTO THE CENTER.
SO 10 FOR THIS TO BE ONE WAY HERE.
IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? NO, THOSE, THOSE ARE JUST LIKE, UM, HOME DEPOT COLORED ARROWS FOR CUSTOMER TRAFFIC.
SO THOSE DON'T REALLY NEED ANYTHING FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.
OR AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, I GUESS.
SO THOSE WERE THE TWO ADDITIONAL POINTS I I WANTED TO MAKE.
SORRY, I, I KNOW YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS NEW FOR US, OR AT LEAST WE DON'T, IT'S NOT OUR EVERY MONTH KIND OF THING.
DOES SOMEBODY, WOULD I ASSUME THAT, THAT THE PERSON WHO DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE? IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE? I'M PRETTY SURE MS. WILLIAMS CAN REGISTER IN PERSON.
SO WE WILL NEED TO SWEAR HIM IN.
BUT, BUT QUESTION IS WHETHER SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION FOR HIM OR THEY WANNA TALK TO HIM.
I, OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION, WHICH IS JUST, I THINK ONE OF YOUR EARLIER SLIDES INDICATED THAT THIS WAS SITE WAS IDENTIFIED AND PARKED PRIMARILY RELIEVE CONGESTION AT THE MESQUITE LOCATION.
WHY THEN WAS THE SKILLMAN SITE USED FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY? SO WE, WE PICKED SITES THAT THERE, AND CHRISTIAN CAN EXCUSE, BUT PICK SITES THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED.
SO THE FIRST OR SECOND SLIDE, UM, THERE'S A LIST OF FOUR SITES AND TALKING WITH HOME DEPOT, THOSE WERE THE FOUR SITES THAT WILL ALL BE IMPACTED.
AND EVEN THOUGH SKILLMAN ACTUALLY WINDS UP BEING A LITTLE CLOSER THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET TO SKILLMAN FROM THE SITE.
AND SO SOME OF 'EM ARE EVEN FURTHER WEST, BUT THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPOSED SITE WILL DRAW CUSTOMERS FROM THAT ONE EAST AND, AND WHATNOT.
SO WE, WE CHOSE ONE THAT ALSO WAS LIKE A STANDALONE, JUST LIKE THIS ONE.
SOME OF THE OTHER ONES IN THE NEAR PROXIMITY, UM, WERE SHOPPING CENTERS.
AND SO TRIED TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS SOMEWHAT EQUAL AND SQUARE FOOTED IN THE BUILDING AND SITE KIND OF AREA IN TO SOME DEGREE, DOESN'T, IT, WOULDN'T THE ARGUMENT LIKE, LIKE IF YOU WERE WANTING A REDUCTION ON SKILLMAN AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE BUILDING A NEW ONE OVER HERE, SO WE THINK THAT WILL REDUCE THE DEMAND.
I I, IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BEYOND, HEY, WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING REPRESENTED OR AS PART OF THE ARGUMENT
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THAT THIS IS GONNA REDUCE DEMAND SOMEWHERE ELSE.WHY, WHY, HOW DOES THAT APPLY HERE? ARE YOU JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S REPRESENTED? STUDY ITSELF IS JUST EVALUATING ANOTHER LOCAL HOME DEPOT.
THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE, THE FACT THAT'S TRYING TO IMPACT THE STORE.
YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO DO IT FROM A SALES PERSPECTIVE.
THAT OBVIOUSLY DOES BRING CUSTOMERS FROM THE NEED TO THIS SITE.
UM, SO, SO DRAMA IS SEPARATE A LITTLE BIT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU'VE GOT WHITE ROCK LAKE THERE BETWEEN SKILLMAN AND THE PROPOSED SITE.
SO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF WHITE ROCK LAKE AND CASTLE LINDA WOULD HAVE A MUCH EASIER TIME GETTING TO THE NEW SITE THAN THEY DO IT TO THE SKILLMAN AND BUCKNER.
I ASK FOLLOW QUESTION MR. SLAIN, PLEASE.
UM, WHAT WOULD BE HOME DEPOT'S EXPECTATION FOR CUSTOMERS IF THEY CAME INTO THE SITE AND FOUND THAT IT WAS FULL? WHERE WOULD THEY PARK? OR WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION OF HOW THE CONSUMER WOULD RESPOND TO THAT? YEAH, SO OBVIOUSLY THE CONSUMER WOULD RESPOND VERY POORLY.
AND SO THEY, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY IN THE, THE BUSINESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE SATISFIED.
AND SO I THINK FROM THE PARKING DATA WE COLLECTED, RIGHT, THE 234 IS WHAT THEY'RE SEEING MORE ON AVERAGE.
AND THEY'RE SEEING THAT THEIR PARKING LOTS ARE VERY LARGE AND SUBSTANTIAL AND THAT CREATES MORE COST TO THEM.
AND SO WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP AND, AND ROLL OUT MIXED DOORS, THEY'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THEIR COST.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY TRY TO KEEP THE CUSTOMER FOREFRONT OF THEIR MIND AS WELL.
SO THEY WOULD NOT, I, YOU KNOW, IN ANY PERFECT WORLD VILLA SITE TO BE UNDER PARKING.
MAYBE CAN I ASK A QUESTION IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY? WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF WHAT HOME DEPOT OFFERS CUSTOMERS, THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULDN'T NECESSARILY LIKE PARK AT A NEARBY SHOPPING CENTER AND WALK OVER TO GRAB WHATEVER ITEMS THEY MIGHT NEED? THEY PROBABLY WOULD GO TO ANOTHER HOME DEPOT STORE OR ANOTHER HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE TO GET THOSE ITEMS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE FINDING TODAY, RIGHT, IS BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITIES THAT ARE, OR THE OVER CAPACITY AT LIKE
SO THEY'RE EITHER GOING NEARBY LOWE'S OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UM, AND INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE HOME DEPOT STORE THAT'S CLOSEST TO THEM.
UM, BUT YES, I MEAN, BICYCLE PARKING, YOU KNOW, IT IS TYPICALLY A REQUIREMENT OF JURISDICTIONS, BUT HOW OFTEN ARE THEY TRULY BEING, I DEFINITELY WANTED TO KNOW WHO PICKED UP CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT ON A BICYCLE.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU JUST NEED A, A SCREWDRIVER, THEN ANY FEEDBACK LIGHT BULB YOU LIVE IN A NEARBY APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT, THAT'S JUST PART OF OUR CODE.
MR. MR. MILLER AND MR. CORVET, I'M SORRY, MR. SLATE, WERE YOU DONE WITH YOUR LINEUP? YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WAS JUST ASKING, 'CAUSE THE ONE LETTER AND OPPOSITION WAS SUGGESTING MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD PARK AT A NEARBY SITE AND WALK OVER, WHICH DIDN'T STRIKE ME AS LIKELY, GIVEN THE NATURE OF IT.
AND MR. CORBET, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED, I GUESS THAT THE PRO SERVICES PART OF THE STORE WOULD BE ON THE, IS IT THE WEST SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE FACING SAM'S? YES.
SO WILL THAT BE THE NATURAL EXIT OF THE STORE OR EXIT OF THE PROPERTY? IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS.
UM, I WOULD SAY PEOPLE WANTING TO GO SOUTH ON, UH,
GET ON OVER AND THEN GO ON, CROSS OVER AND THEN COME BACK AROUND.
SO THEY'RE GOING NORTH OR WEST, THEY'RE LIKELY GOING TO COME OFF E UH, EAST ARNOLD THORNTON.
UM, AND I THINK, I MEAN, UH, BUCKNER BOULEVARD'S VERY BUSY, SO I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY AVOID IT IF THEY COULD.
I MEAN, I ONLY GOT THREE OPTIONS.
IS YOUR, IS YOUR HOPE THEN TO GET, UH, A LIGHT PUT IN FRONT OF SAM'S? IT IT IS THE SHARED DRIVE, BUT TECHNICALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THAT DRIVE THAT CONNECTS TO NER BOULEVARD, BUT IT IS SHARED TO SAM'S.
BUT YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
BUT THAT STILL HAS TO OBVIOUS BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY DEPARTMENT PROCESS.
RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HONEY WANTS RIGHT NOW.
OKAY, MR. SATCH, MS. PAUL, UH, JUST TO, UM, DOVETAIL, UH, MR. SLAVES QUESTION, UM, ABOUT EXPECTATIONS.
THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY OR HOME DEPOT HAS BUILT IN ENOUGH, TRA ENOUGH PARKING TO WHERE THERE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE A NEED FOR A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER TO HAVE TO EITHER PARK IN AN ADJACENT LOT OR, OR ANOTHER, UM, UM, UH, BUSINESS PARKING AND MAKE USE OF THEIR
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PARKING, BUT THERE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT PARKING TO SATISFY THE, UM, STANDARD OR AVERAGE FLOW OF, UM, TRAFFIC IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR LOT.I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PERSON WHO DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW HIS NAME.
UH, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO REGISTER YOU AND SWEAR YOU IN AND I DON'T KNOW, HAVE YOU OH, YOU, HE IS REGISTERED, RIGHT? UM, I'M NOT SURE.
I JUST KNOW HE WAS GONNA BE HERE IN PERSON TODAY, BUT THEN FOR THE BRIEFING, WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS GONNA GO.
UM, IS MS. WILLIAMS, OH, SHE'S BACK THERE.
IS HE REGISTERED? CAN YOU REGISTER HIM? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
SO CAN YOU HE'S NOT SO CAN WE DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO HEAR HIM? HE'S MOVED AS A PANEL, SO SHE'S MOVED HIM OVER, SO HE STILL NEEDS TO BE SIGNED.
UM, SO I, I DON'T REALLY MEAN LIKE, ACTUALLY HERE.
I I MEAN HAS HE DONE EVERYTHING THAT HE NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK BEFORE US? HAS, HE HAS NOT REGISTERED AS A PANEL, BUT HE CAN SPEAK AS A SPEAKER, UH, AS A PART OF THE, UH, I JUST WANT IT TO BE LEGAL FOR HIM TO SPEAK TO US.
WE NEED TO HAVE HIM REGISTERED AND SWORN IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT REGISTERED MEANS.
WHEN YOU SAY REGISTERED MARY, YOU JUST, YOU JUST MEAN THE BLUE PAPER SHEET OF PAPER, RIGHT? I CAN FILL THAT OUT FOR HIM, CORRECT.
AFTER DOES HE HAVE TO SIGN IT? CAN, CAN WE MAKE IT LEGAL? CAN WE DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO HAPPEN? UH, WHAT DO WE NORMALLY DO WHEN THERE'S A SPEAKER ONLINE? WHEN THEY'RE ONLINE, THEY REGISTER ONLINE.
SO CAN HE DO THAT RIGHT NOW? THE FORM'S CLOSED, THEY CAUGHT OUT.
DO WE NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO TAKE HIS DECISION? IT WOULD HELP, BUT, BUT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS OUR RULES WILL NOT ALLOW, IT DOESN'T SOUND TO BE ABLE TO, THE ONLY EXCEPTION I CAN THINK OF WOULD BE HAVING, UM, MR. CORBIT SIGN.
BUT THERE'S NO PRECEDENT FOR THAT.
AND I'M NOT, WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE AND NEVER ENGAGED IN THAT TRADITION.
SO, OKAY, MR. SLAVE, UM, MR. STAFF, AM I CORRECT THAT MR. CORBIT COULD ENGAGE WITH HIS COLLEAGUE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE PANEL HAS? I THOUGHT OF THAT THOUGHT AS WELL.
I I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT EITHER.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE COULD JUST POSE THE DIRECT YOUR QUESTION TO MR. MR. CORBE WHO COULD POSE THE QUESTION TO MR. CHRISTIAN AND THEN YOU WOULD NOT TAKE THE TESTIMONY OF MR. CHRISTIAN, BUT RATHER TAKE THE TESTIMONY OF MR. CORBET.
SO AT THAT POINT, FROM THE, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF AN OATH, RIGHT? MR. CORBETT IS SIMPLY SAYING, THIS IS WHAT MR. CHRISTIAN TOLD ME.
NO, HE'S, NO, HE'S, MR. CORBETT IS TESTIFYING.
SO HE'S NOT TESTIFYING TO WHAT HE SAID.
HE'S TESTIFYING TO WHAT HE'S SAYING.
HE'S JUST GETTING THE INFORMATION FROM HIS COLLEAGUE.
SO MI SO I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT HE SAYS CORRECT.
BUT IN THE END, OKAY, SO WELL, I PREDICT WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN AND, AND AT SOME POINT HE IS GONNA SAY, WELL, I'M NOT THE EXPERT, BUT WE CAN TRY IT.
BUT I, DOES THAT SOLVE, WOULD THAT AT LEAST GET US AROUND YOU? A QUESTION? I GUESS, YOUR HONOR, HE'S A REGISTERED ENGINEER IN STATE OF TEXAS, RIGHT? YEAH.
HE IS PREPARED THIS PART STUDY.
I'M NOT THAT REGISTERED ENGINEER.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN WITH, I HAVE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT I AM NOT CERTIFIED.
YOU'RE GIVING US TOO MUCH CREDIT FOR ASKING VERY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THE NATURE OF THE QUESTIONS.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT, SO I DON'T WANNA GET MYSELF MORE CHRISTIAN IN TROUBLE.
WELL, WE, WE HAVE A COPY OF THE PARKING STUDY WE DO, AND I READ IT.
UH, SO LET ME THROW OUT THE QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT IT AND WE'LL DECIDE WHETHER YOU CAN ANSWER WHAT'S THE ISSUE.
UH, SO THIS IS LIKE A THREE PAGE, FOUR PAGE SOMETHING.
WAS THIS A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY DONE? NO.
SO THIS JUST A PARKING ANALYSIS, PARKING MEMORANDUM BASED OFF OF A, A PARKING STUDY, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN PREPARED.
IT WAS NOT INCLUDED THIS AS PART OF THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS SPECIFIC TO THE PARKING.
UH, I JUST BRING UP THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND WHAT WE'RE DOING ON BUCKNER AS LIKE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY NOT ANALYZED AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, OF GETTING THAT INTO THE CITY FOR REVIEW.
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HIRE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, YOU DO A KIND OF A FIRST, FIRST BRUSH, UH, BEST EFFORTS KIND OF THING.
NOT REALLY SIGNING MY EXPERT NAME IN STONE HERE.
IS THAT WHAT THIS IS OR NO, HE PUT HIS, UH, SIGN SEAL ON THE FIRST YEAH.
IT JUST DOESN'T SHOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS IS.
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OKAY.IT SHOULD BE AN, I MEAN, IN THE INTRODUCTION, THAT SHOULD OUTLINE WHAT, WHAT IT WAS FOR.
UM, HE PUT SEAL ON SUFFICIENT LOCAL DEBT.
HE HAS DONE IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, THE NATIONAL MANUALS.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO, WELL, MY MY ESSENTIAL QUESTION IS WHY DOES THE STUDY OF A DIFFERENT HOME DEPOT SITE, HOWEVER SIMILAR IT IS IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY, TRANSLATE TO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THIS SITE RELATIVE TO THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ALONG THE HIGHWAY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT WHY'D YOU USE THAT? WHY NOT? I WOULD SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, LOGICALLY, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO, TO ANALYZE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN A GIVEN LOCATION WITHOUT ANALYZING SOMETHING OF A SIMILAR NATURE.
AND SO WE PICKED A SITE THAT HAS A SIMILAR SIZED BUILDING, SIMILAR GARDEN HAS A GARDEN CENTER.
IT HAS A SIMILAR LAYOUT WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT USES OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND PICKED IT BASED OFF OF THE NATIONAL STANDARD OF THE, THE PEAK, WHAT GENERATES PEAK DEMAND THAT THIS NATIONAL BODY HAS STUDIED, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TIMES OF THE YEAR, WHAT TIME OR WHAT TIMES OF THE DAY, UH, AND WHAT DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE THOSE PEAK DEMANDS GENERATED FROM.
AND SO WE UTILIZE THOSE AT A LOCAL, UM, AT A LOCAL SITE OF A SIMILAR NATURE AND SIZE OF THE BUILDING ALSO WITHIN THE CITY, LOCAL CITY DATA.
SO, SO MR. SINGTON COMING UP, I, I WOULD WONDER WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE MAJOR TO THIS IS ON A HIGHWAY.
I ASSUME THAT PART OF THE DRIVER HERE IS THE HIGHWAY AND TRAFFIC EASY ET AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE MUCH FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD BASED.
UM, AND I, I KNOW THERE'S ALL KINDS OF MAGIC THAT, THAT, UH, SO I WOULD SAY A SEPARATE, ANOTHER THING BETWEEN A PARKING STUDY AND A TRAFFIC STUDY, RIGHT? THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS HOW TO, HOW TO SAFELY GET, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER.
AND SO DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THIS SITE, WHICH WE'VE DONE, IS TO ANALYZE THE INTERSECTIONS MM-HMM.
DIESEL OR TURN LANES INTO THE SITE.
DO THEY NEED TRAFFIC LIGHTS? DO THEY NEED A ROUNDABOUT? DO THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, OR ARE THEY GOOD AS THEY ARE? MM-HMM.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE DIFFERENT SPACING REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE INTERSECTIONS BASED OFF OF TECHNICAL DATA AS WELL.
AND SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS MORE SO ANALYZING TRAFFIC FLOW IN AND OUT OF PROPERTIES AND AROUND THE PROPERTY VERSUS THE PARKING IS MORE OF A DEMAND BASED OFF CUSTOMERS WANTING TO GO TO HOME.
SO MY STANDARD HERE IS IN PART, AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD NOT CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY STREETS.
PARKING VAN GENERATED BY THE USE DOES NOT WARRANT THE NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
AND THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD NOT CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY STREETS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE.
WELL, I, I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION WHEN YOU ATE BETWEEN A PARKING STUDY AND A TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, BUT, UM, KIND OF DOVETAIL TO MR. UM, UH, AGNES'S QUESTION.
THE BEHAVIOR OF THE TRAFFIC AT THE THIS SITE IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN THE BEHAVIOR OF THE TRAFFIC AT SKILLMAN BECAUSE ONE, IT'S OFF A HIGHWAY AT THE, AT THE PROPOSED SITE, UM, PEOPLE WILL TEND TO MAYBE AVOID OR MORE USE THAT PARTICULAR BECAUSE IT'S OFF.
IT MAY BE ALONG THEIR, THEIR ROUTE TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THE BEHAVIORS ARE DIFFERENT.
SO HOW DO YOU SPEAK TO, TO THAT IN THE, IN THE PARKING? BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE, THE SEPARATE BEHAVIORS IN THOSE DIFFERENT, THOSE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
I THINK WHAT THE PARKING SITE REALLY DOES IS IT REALLY TRIES TO JUST EQUATE, EQUATE USES AND EQUATE SQUARE FOOTAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS AS BEST YOU CAN.
RIGHT? YOU CAN'T KNOW THAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF ONE PARTICULAR AREA FROM ANOTHER ON A NATIONAL SCALE, WHICH WHAT THE IT DOES, RIGHT? BASED ON THE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE TRIBE TO AGAIN, FIND SITE THAT HAD THE SAME SIZE BUILDING WITH THE SAME SIZE, ROUGHLY THE SAME SIZE GARDEN CENTER AND THE USAGE THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT, THAT WOULD BE JUST LIKE THIS SITE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA EXACTLY HAVE THE NUMBER RIGHT THE THE 2 34, UM, THAT, THAT'S BASED OFF THE STANDARD.
SO WE, WE CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER BASED OFF THE STANDARD.
AND SO WE, WE CAN USE THAT TO SAY, OKAY, WELL THAT WAS 2 34 AND IT'S EIGHT MILES AWAY AND IT'S SIMILAR TO THIS BUILDING, SIMILAR SIZE, THIS AND THAT.
OKAY, WELL, EVEN IF YOU LIKE, PROJECT
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IT UP A FACTOR OF SAFETY, YOU'RE GONNA TO THREE, FOUR WORK BY 4.2.RIGHT? SO THERE'S STILL A VERY LARGE GAP THERE, UM, THAT WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IT WON'T BE THAT MUCH WORK.
CAN YOU PUT, UH, THIS MAY BE MS. I I THINK, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A SATELLITE, MAYBE A GOOGLE MAPS PICTURE? MM-HMM.
IT WAS EITHER IN YOUR, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY IN YOUR PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.
WELL, I DON'T HAVE SOME AVAILABLE INFORMATION, IS A GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE OTHER PROPERTIES INTERACT.
UH, JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT ALLOWED, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, DO GOOGLING ON OUR OWN.
LIKE, WE'RE LITERALLY SUBJECT, IF IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF US, WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
IS IT ZOOMED IN ENOUGH? DO YOU WANT, IF YOU CAN ZOOM IT IN MORE, GO FOR IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS WAS TAKEN OR WHAT THE USE WAS WHEN THAT WAS TAKEN, BUT THAT, THAT'S A GOOGLE IMAGES.
IT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHAT RECENT.
UM, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT TIME OR ANY OF THAT, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAT PARKING IS USED.
SO OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS, IT'S A BIZARRE, THE MARKET TODAY, AND THEY'RE OPEN A COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK.
SO TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, I DON'T THINK ARE ON THE WEEKENDS.
IF IT WAS A BAZAAR, WHAT, WHAT, HOW DOES THAT FIT IN TERMS OF OUR PARKING RATIOS? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? FOR THE BAZAAR? LIKE, THIS IS ONE TO, UH, 2 75, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO THERE, UM, THERE IT'S, THE ZONING DOESN'T CHANGE.
IS THAT JUST GENERAL RETAIL? ONE TO 200 REGIONAL, UH, REGIONAL RETAIL? THAT'S WHERE THEY'D BE, UM, HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD, SAME MM-HMM.
BUT THERE'S NO RESTAURANT IN THERE.
UM, MR. TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T GET TO MEET YOU.
UM, DID I SEE, IN FACT, I DON'T BELIEVE I SAW OR TYPICAL MR. NAVAREZ.
YOU SIT DOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, LITTLE CHECK SHEET CAN SAY THAT.
UM, HAVE YOU HAD EXHIBIT PLEASE SAY IT.
UM, SO DAVID DID, UM, OUR TRAFFIC REVIEW ENGINEER, UM, DAVID NEVAREZ, HE DID PROVIDE COMMENTS, UM, STATING THAT THERE WAS NO OBJECTION, UM, BUT THAT THE COMMENT SHEET WAS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE, UM, I WAS, IT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME THAT THE COMMENTS WOULDN'T BE VALID UNTIL THEIR, UM, TRAFFIC REVIEW OR THEIR PARKING ANALYSIS WAS, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A TRAFFIC REVIEW ANALYSIS B WAS PAID.
SO THE, THE COMMENTS, I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S PAID FOR NOW, BUT AT THE TIME OF THE, UM, PUBLICATION OF THE CASE REPORTS, THE COMMENTS WERE NOT, OR THE COMMENTS PROVIDED TO ME BY, UM, DAVID NAVAREZ WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE, UM, MATERIALS BECAUSE IT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME THAT THE COMMENTS WOULDN'T BE VALID UNTIL THE TRAFFIC REVIEW FEE WAS PAID TO DAVID NAVARRO'S, UM, TEAM.
SO THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T INCLUDED, BUT HE DID PROVIDE THAT, THAT HE HAD NO, NO OBJECTION.
SO BASICALLY UNTIL THE, THE TRAFFIC REVIEW APPLICATION WAS COMPLETE RIGHT? AND PAID FOR, MM-HMM.
UH, DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE NO OBJECTION? AND I GUESS, UH, DO WE HAVE A NEW SITE PLAN OR WHAT IS THE SITE PLAN? WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING, THE SITE PLAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS ONE HERE.
SO THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AS THAT MM-HMM.
AND WE BELIEVE THE NUMBERS THERE ARE 422 OF 512.
UM, ARE THERE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? NO, THE SPEAKERS
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OPERATE ON THE FACT THAT WE'RE WELL PAST THE, THE ORIGINAL FIVE OR 10 MINUTES AND, AND THAT YOU'VE SAID EVERYTHING YOU MIGHT SAY IN A REBUTTAL TO THAT ONE.WELL, SO LET'S, SO IF ANYONE HAS FURTHER QUESTIONS, THEN NOW'S THE TIME OF THE APPLICANT.
I JUST, I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
NO, BUT WE HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE OUR ISSUE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE SIGNS, BUT, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO WE'LL CLOSE THE HEARING, AND AT THIS POINT, I NEED A MOTION.
I ALMOST, GUYS, WE JUST GOTTA HAVE A MOTION IN ORDER TO DISCUSS.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO HOLD OVER MOTION, MR. SLATE? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL NUMBER BDA 2 3 4 DASH SEVEN NINE ON APPLICATION OF JORDAN CORBET GRANT, THE REQUEST OF THIS APPLICANT TO PROVIDE 422 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES TO THE OFF STREET PARKING REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE IS AMENDED, WHICH REQUIRES 512 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE USE OF THE TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION NOT INCREASE TRAFFIC HAZARDS OR INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY STREETS, UH, AND THE PARKING DEMAND GENERATED BY THE USE DOCK DOES NOT WARRANT THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS GRANTED FOR A HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER.
I FURTHER MOVE THE QUALITY CONDITION BE IMPOSED TO FURTHER THE PURPOSE AND THE INTENT OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION OF 90 SPACES SHALL AUTOMATICALLY, IMMEDIATELY TERMINATE IF AND WHEN THE SPECIFIED USE IS CHANGED OR DISCONNECTED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND MS. P*****K SECONDS.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO ADD TO THE MOTION BEFORE IT GETS SECOND.
JESUS JUDY COMPLIANCE WITH THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ALL SUBMITTED PLANS ARE REQUIRED.
WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO SECOND IT? MAY I SECOND NOW? YOU MAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IT THOUGH? OH, SECOND.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
FIRST, BUT, UH, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY HAS ESTABLISHED THAT THE FIVE SIGNS WERE NOT OUT CONTINUOUSLY FOR THE PERIOD OF TIME.
THE QUESTION IS BASED ON THE STANDARD, WHETHER, UH, WE ARE THE FACT FINDER AS TO WHETHER A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WAS MADE.
AND GIVEN THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS PRESENTED AND THE SHOWING OF THE PICTURES OF THE FIVE SIGNS BEING UP AND OUT, I AM WILLING TO FACT FIND THAT A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WAS MADE TO GET THAT SIGNAGE OUT THERE, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY THE FACT THAT SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF THE RADIUS ZONE PROVIDED AN OPPOSITION, MEANING THAT SOMEONE NEARBY WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND SEE AND SPEAK TO, UH, A CONCERN ABOUT THE PROBLEM.
ON FINDING THAT THE GOOD FAITH BASIS WAS MADE FOR MEETING THE NOTICE REQUIREMENT, TURNING TO THE MERITS, UM, I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT SATISFIED AS PER, UH, I THINK THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THE VARIOUS REASONS WHY.
AND IN PARTICULAR, UH, WE GOT MR. KOR'S TESTIMONY ABOUT THE MAIN CONCERN BEING WELL WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE THE SPILLOVER EFFECT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING? AND I DON'T THINK FOR THIS TYPE OF HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE, GIVEN THE OTHER LOCATIONS NEARBY AND THE COMPETITION TO GO TO SAM'S OR GO OTHERWISE, THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO, THIS ISN'T A GREENVILLE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE WANTS TO GO TO A RESTAURANT AND IS GOING TO PARK IN RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR IT.
UM, SO GIVEN THAT, AND GIVEN THEIR OBVIOUS DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR CUSTOMERS SATISFIED AND HAPPY, UH, AND BEING SUPPORTED BY THE, UM, PARKING STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED, I FELT LIKE THEY WERE ABLE TO MEET THAT BURDEN AND THAT THE REDUCTION WOULD BE JUSTIFIED.
SO I'LL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF MY OWN MOTION.
MR. SASHING TIME? UM, I DO AGREE WITH MR. SLATE THAT, UM, ON THE MERITS OF THE PARTICULAR, UH, CASE IN FRONT OF US, THE APPLICANT MET THE BURDEN.
MY CONCERN, HOWEVER, IS WITH THE, THE NOTICE AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT, UM, TIME OF THOSE, OF THE SIGNAGE BEING UP INVISIBLE FOR, UM, SURROUNDING, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BE ABLE TO PROPERLY VIEW THOSE, UM, THOSE SIGN THAT SIGNAGE AND THEN IF THEY HAVE CONCERNS OR, UM, ISSUES WITH THE APPLICATION TO BE ABLE TO, UM, UH, COME IN AND, AND MAKE THEIR, UH, CONCERNS KNOWN.
I, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, UM, WE, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE, THERE'S, THERE WAS A GAP OF TIME THAT WAS, THAT THERE WASN'T SUFFICIENT NOTICE AND WE COULD LEAVE OURSELVES OPEN, UM, FOR, UM, SOME LIABILITY THERE.
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NOT, I MEAN, NOT INDIVIDUALLY OR PERSONALLY, BUT AS A BOARD THAT WE, WE APPROVED AN APPLICATION THAT WASN'T PROPERLY NOTICED.I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE TESTIMONY AT SOME POINT OR IN OUR HEARING THAT THE SIGNS ON BUCKNER SEEMED TO BE THE THREE, THAT WHEN THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE THERE AND THE TWO THAT WERE MISSING WERE ON THE SIDE.
SO I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT SINCE MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE TRAVELING UP AND DOWN BUCKNER, THEY WOULD SEE THOSE SIGNS.
OUR STANDARD IS A GOOD FAITH EFFORT.
SO I AGREE WITH, UM, MR. SLAY THAT A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WAS MET TO REPLACE THOSE SIGNS AND WHERE THEY WENT IS, UM, I'M MAD
UM, I WON'T SUPPORT THE ISSUE, UH, THE, UM, THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE I DO SEE VERY, UH, A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES.
UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.
UM, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THE AREA, AND, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS, UH, A REALLY GOOD STUDY TO GET THIS AREA SAFE, UM, TO MAKE IT SAFE IF YOU ADD A HOME DEPOT TO THIS AREA.
UH, BECAUSE WITH, UH, WITH THE SAM'S AND THE WALMART AND ALL OF THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT ARE IN THE STRIP, UH, AND NOW THERE'S A NEW GROCERY STORE GOING IN AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, UH, THAT WILL BE OPENING UP IN THE SPRING.
THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GOING IN OVER THERE.
AND, UM, THE OTHER PART THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME, AS I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE GAVE OUR CONSTITUENTS A PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME TO REACT TO THE SIGNAGE.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE POST A CERTAIN SIZE SIGN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF THE SIGNS WERE UP ON BUCKNER, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SEEN BY CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT PORTION OF BUCKNER IS.
THERE'S NO STOPLIGHTS, UH, THERE'S STOP SIGNS, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
SO YOU PRETTY MUCH PASS THAT UP UNTIL YOU GET TO SAMUEL BOULEVARD AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT SIGN.
SO YOU DON'T LOOK OVER THERE UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING OVER THERE TO SEE WHO HAPPENS TO BE AT THAT STORE THAT DAY.
IT, I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME SUPPORTING THIS.
WELL, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, THEN IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF THE SIGNS WERE THERE, ALL IF THOSE THREE SIGNS WERE THERE ALL THE TIME OR NONE OF THE TIME.
EVERYBODY'S SAYING IS THAT THE SIGNS OF THE MATTER? WERE THE TWO THAT IS NOT SURE? ARE THEY? NO.
IS THAT NOT NO, HE'S SAYING BUCKNER.
I, I MEAN, THE PLACEMENT OF THOSE SIGNS ON BUCKNER ARE STILL NOT VISIBLE, EVEN IF THEY'RE ON BUCKNER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE PLACED.
BUT THEY'RE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THEY'RE PLACED, THE BUCKNER SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE THEY WERE.
UM, IT WOULD GET MORE VISIBILITY TO BE QUITE HONEST ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
BUT IN, IN ALL HONESTY, IT WOULD TAKE A LARGER SIGN FOR IT TO BE SEEN, AND IT, IT WOULD REALLY HAVE TO FACE THE PEOPLE LEAVING SAM'S FOR IT TO GET ANY SORT OF TRACTION.
SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS APPLICANTS.
SO I, UH, I AGREE WITH MR. SLADE THAT, UH, I'M THERE, THERE'S A GOOD FAITH EFFORT GOING BETWEEN STAFF AND, AND, AND THE APPLICANT.
SO I, I DON'T ON THAT BASIS, I, I DON'T SUPPORT THE ACTUAL MOTION FOR, FOR TWO REASONS.
I, I, THE PERSON WHO WROTE A LETTER, UH, IS A PROPERTY OWNER NEARBY.
AND WHILE I AGREE WITH MR. SLATE, PEOPLE DON'T PARK IN WALMART, WALK ACROSS US, GET TWO BY FOURS AND, AND WALK ALL THE WAY BACK TO, TO THEIR CAR.
I, I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ADDING A, A DENSE USE, UH, TO A DENSE AREA.
AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT THE, THE THING THAT THAT PUTS ME OVER, OVER THE EDGE IS, IS WE ARE ESSENTIALLY, IF WE DO THIS, WE ARE ALSO ENABLING A USE OF SOME SORT THAT WILL GO IN, IN THAT OUT PARCEL, WHICH WILL FURTHER INCREASE TRAFFIC.
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STUDY THAT ACTUALLY, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I CAN ONLY LOOK AT WHAT I'M GIVEN.SO I DON'T HAVE A SENSE FOR HOW TRAFFIC WORKS AMONGST THE EXISTING USES THERE AND WHEN IT BACKS UP.
UH, AND SO ABSENT HAVING SEEN THAT, I CAN'T MEET MY STANDARD OF NO, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THE EXCEPTION WOULD NOT CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY STREET.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE ABSENT SOME ACTUAL CAN WE EVIDENCE TO HOLD ON TO THAT, TO THAT POINT? UH, I WOULD HAVE A HARD, I HAVE A HARD TIME BECAUSE THAT'S A STANDARD THEY HAVE TO MEET.
IT'S JUST INTUITIVE TO ME THAT THAT MORE THINGS, FEWER PARKING SPACES EQUALS MORE CONGESTED.
SORRY, MR. S NO, I, I MEAN ANY WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD SAY THAT ANY USE THERE IS GONNA CREATE MORE TRAFFIC, MORE PEOPLE MORE.
UM, SO HOW, HOW ARE WE DEFINING CONGESTION? WELL, THE CITY CODE HAS SAID WE, WE BELIEVE X USE NEEDS Y SPACES.
AND THE ARGUMENT HERE IS WE DON'T REALLY NEED Y SPACES BECAUSE Y SPACES IS ACTUALLY TOO MUCH FOR THIS USE.
AND, AND REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF SPACES THEY NEED ISN'T GONNA HAVE A MATERIAL IMPACT ON CONGESTION OR SAFETY.
SO THE CITY IS, OR THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOREFATHERS ANSWERED THE Y ANYTHING QUESTION THEY SAID, YEAH, RIGHT.
SO WE NEED X SPACES PER SQUARE FOOT AND WE'VE GOTTA FILL IN THE NEXT DELTA.
AND, UH, AND REDUCING THAT, REDUCING THAT X, WHICH IS BASED OFF OF SQUARE FOOT IN YOUR, IN YOUR ASSESSMENT, INCREASES THE CONGESTION.
I'M SAYING I DON'T HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT IT DOESN'T, UH, INTUITIVELY I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A MAJOR INTERSECTION WITH A HIGHWAY AND SOME PRETTY DENSE USES, UM, WHETHER IT INCREASES TRAFFIC IS REALLY NOT FOR, OF COURSE IT INCREASES TRAFFIC.
LIKE YOU WANT THE, THE QUESTION IS DOES IT AFFECT TRAFFIC IN A WAY THAT HAS BACKUPS, LOG JAMS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
AND ESPECIALLY ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AND, AND I'VE JUST SEEN NO DISCUSSION OF HOW THE TRAFFIC INTERACTS WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
MR. NAVAR, MR. NAVAREZ IS, UM, ASSESSMENT OF THE AREA.
UM, HE HAS NO, EXCEPT HE TAKES NO EXCEPTIONS TO, TO, TO THE, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, UM, AND WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
UM, BUT HE READ WHAT I READ, WHICH DOESN'T TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MR. SLAVES NEXT GO AHEAD.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT KNOWING MR. MR. NAVAREZ, WHO WOULD BE THE, UM, WHO WOULD BE THE, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN THIS CASE, HAVING NO EXCEPTION, UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS STILL TAKES NO EXCEPTION TO THIS, THIS PROPOSED, THIS PROPOSED, UM, APPLICATION.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I FOUND MYSELF DEFENDANT THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING
NO, I JUST, BUT, BUT I, I'M JUST SAYING MR. MR. NAVAREZ, WHO IS THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT TAKES NO EXCEPTION TO THIS, TO THIS APPLICANT'S, UH, REQUEST.
SO, UM, WOULD THERE BE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT MR. NAVAREZ HAS MISSED SOMETHING IN THIS ASSESSMENT? I'D SURE LOVE TO HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT MORE DATA THAT I DON'T HAVE MR. SLATE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I AM, THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON WHAT THE STANDARD IS HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHETHER THE USE IS GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC HAZARDS OR CONGESTION.
BUT WHETHER THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION THOUGH, RIGHT? AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS SOLELY WHETHER ALLOWING THERE TO BE A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF SPACES, IF ANYTHING, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ACTUALLY WOULD IMPROVE THE OVERALL CIRCUMSTANCES.
BECAUSE IT MEANS YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FORCE IN 500 PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA TRY TO GO THERE BECAUSE OF PARKING, BUT INSTEAD IT'S LESS.
SO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE REASON I CAN SUPPORT THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US THAT THEY THINK THE USE WILL BE MUCH LESS THAN THE OVERALL PARK SPACE.
AND THEREFORE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THE REDUCTION OF THE 90 SPACES, UH, THAT IS PENDING TO BE APPROVED, THAT WON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION OR THE, UM, TRAFFIC HAZARDS FOR THE SITE.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE OVERALL USE, BECAUSE I RESPECT MR. MILKEN, HIS PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS YES, UH, THE, THE ADDING A HOME DEPOT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OTHER, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT HE INDICATED IS
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GOING IN, IN THAT AREA, UM, CERTAINLY WILL, WILL MAKE THAT A, A STRONGER OVERALL PLACE.IT'S THE, THE ONLY THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE IMPACT OF THE EXCEPTION.
SO I'M, I'M NOT MAKING THE, OR, UM, I'LL BE THE ARGUMENT THAT I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE STANDARD IS THE, THE DIFFERENCE.
UH, AND I, I LOOK AT IT AND I COME, BUT I ALSO SAY, I MEAN, WHAT DO I HAVE TO KNOW? BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE.
THAT'S GOOD FOR THE, WE WANT THIS, WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT.
I LOOKED AT THE PICTURE AND I SAW A BIZARRE USING MOST OF THAT SPACE.
I ALSO KNOW THAT BY ALLOWING THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GONNA CARVE OUT ANOTHER USE.
UM, AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY I'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WERE HOME DEPOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MONEY I'M GONNA MAKE ON MY STORE.
THE BOARD ADJUSTMENT, NOT REAL REALITY CASE, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT ARE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS? AND DOES HAVING LESS SPACE CAUSE PROBLEMS OVERFLOW, UH, OR, OR JUST GRIDLOCK THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THE REAL, THE REAL HAZARD HERE IS FOR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THERE, THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC SAFETY THAT I'M NOT REALLY QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON.
INTUITIVELY, YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF TRAFFIC IS WATER OR ELECTRICITY, YOU'RE PULLING IN SOMETHING AND IT'S GONNA COME.
AND WE'VE ALL SEEN PLACES WHERE THERE'S NOT PARKING AND PEOPLE ARE DRIVING IN CIRCLES AND, AND THE INGRESS AND EGRESS IN THIS THING IS NUTS.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S TEXTILE, I THINK.
SO WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS, AND I'LL BET YOU IT EXISTS A STUDY THAT IS LOOKING AT HOW, HOW THE TRAFFIC AT THIS KIND OF INTERSECTION FLOWS.
AND I, I ALSO, BECAUSE I'M ONLY ALLOWED TO SEE WHAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN, DON'T HAVE A VIEW OF WHAT REALLY THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE AND HOW IT FLOWS.
SO THEN I LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THIS DELTA WOULD NOT CREATE A TRAFFIC HAZARD OR INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY STREET.
I'VE GOT A LETTER THAT SAYS IT WILL, AND THAT IT ALREADY DOES HAPPEN AND THERE'S ALREADY NOT ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE AREA AS A WHOLE.
UM, SO I I, BEFORE I APPROVE IT, AND AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT.
UH, LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT SOMEBODY'S LOOKING.
'CAUSE I THINK MR. MILLIKEN'S CONCERNS, UH, ARE IN ADDITION TO BEING REAL, UH, HAVE REAL CONSEQUENCES IF WE GET IT WRONG, MS. P*****K, UM, YOU'D MENTIONED THE WORD, UH, REAL CASE REALITY, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DEAL IN REALITY HERE.
OKAY? THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE THE LOCATION OF SOME SMALL LITTLE SHOP.
IT IS GOING TO BE THE LOCATION OF A LARGE BIG BOX.
SO IF WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH HOME DEPOT, WE MAY BE DEALING WITH ANOTHER BIG BOX RETAILER AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME SITUATION.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THIS WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING THAT IS PRESENTED TO US.
ANY USE THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO US IN THE FUTURE FOR THIS SITE.
SOMEBODY COULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS WHOLE LOT, YOU WANNA BUILD THAT HOME THERE? NO, I WOULD JUST STRIPE IT AND USE IT FOR PARKING.
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE.
AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.
THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WANTS WHEN IT COMES TO TAX DOLLARS.
WE DON'T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
SO WE DON'T MAKE OTHER DECISIONS EITHER.
MY POINT IS, IF IT'S NOT HOME DEPOT, IT'LL BE SOME OTHER BIG BOX STORE.
THE PROPOSAL MAY EVEN BE LESS ATTRACTIVE THAN THIS ONE.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HOME DEPOT.
I'M NOT SAYING THERE IS, BUT IT'S GOOD.
BACK TO MR. MR. SLADE'S POINT, THE RE THERE'S GOING TO THIS APPLICANT, THIS APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A REDUCTION IN PARKING, RIGHT.
WHICH LESSENS THE IMPACT OF, OF, UM, OF, OF CONGESTION.
AND SO I NO, IT LESSENS THE AVAIL.
IT, IT LESSENS THE AVAILABLE, THE ABILITY TO ABSORB SOMETHING.
SO AGAIN, IT, GETTING BACK TO THE, TO, TO MR. MR SLATE'S POINT IS THERE WOULD BE FEWER AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE
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PARKING SPACES.SO FEWER PEOPLE, LESS TRAFFIC.
I KNOW THE ARGUMENT AND IF THIS WERE, BUT IF WE DON'T BUILD IT, THEY WON'T COME.
AND IF THIS WERE MADE, IF THIS WERE MADE INTO A GIANT PARKING LOT, WE WOULD'VE TWICE AS MANY CARS.
UH, THE, THE ISSUE IS WHETHER MR IS WHY THE REDUCTION, LIKE YOU CAN'T REALLY ARGUE THAT THERE ISN'T SPACE TO PUT OTHER PARKING SPACES.
LIKE I CAN SEE IT, IT'S ON THERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CARVING THAT OUT.
UNDERSTAND IT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.
BUT THERE THAT CARVE OUT IS GOING TO FULLY PARK ITSELF AS WELL.
UH, WHEREAS IF WE SIMPLY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? HOME DEPOT IS THERE, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CODE SEVEN, I MEAN, ONE TO 2 75 IS NOT SUPER RESTRICTIVE.
UH, SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE, WHAT THE CITY IS ASKING FOR IS INCREDIBLY, UH, ONEROUS.
I'M SORRY, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT THE IMPACT ABOUT IMPACT? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ADD, WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO ARTICULATED THAT THEY ARE GOING WITH A MORE SPACE THAN IS REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THEIR DESIRE FOR WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.
WIDER LANES, BIGGER SPOTS, GIVEN THE NATURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, PARKING IN FACE FRONT INSTEAD OF THE, THE MORE EASILY PACKED WAY OF THE ANGLES, WHICH IS WHAT THE BAZAAR CURRENTLY DOES, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S LESS LIKELY THAT SOMEONE'S LEAVING THERE, BUT THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIALS IS GOING IN NOW.
UM, AND THEY HAVE ALSO ARTICULATED AND TESTIFIED THAT THEY DON'T, THEIR LEASE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE PARCEL THAT YOU MAY WISH THAT THEY HAD TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE, THE SITUATION, THOUGH.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL EXPLORE WITH THE, THE LANDLORD, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW WE YEAH, I STILL CAN'T EXACTLY FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT LOT WE ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IT JUST RETURNS TO WHETHER I THINK THAT THE REDUCTION OF THE 90 SPOTS WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC HAZARDS OR INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
AND I'M NOT AS PERSUADED AS SOME OTHERS MIGHT SEEM TO BE BY A, A, AN OWNER OF ANOTHER SHOPPING CENTER NEARBY, NOT WANTING A, ANOTHER FORM OF COMPETITION TO MAYBE COME TO, TO BEAR THERE OR NOT, WHO'S NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT OR A PARKING EXPERT.
UM, AND WHO DID NOT, UH, APPEAR AT OUR HEARING TO VOICE THAT OPINION OR, OR OFFER MORE DETAIL.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING DOWN, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT PEOPLE CAN EASILY HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS ON, ON HOW THIS COMES OUT.
MR. SASHEN, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION CAN SECOND.
SO WOULD YOU GIVE ME 30 SECONDS OF THANK YOU.
UM, MR. THE MOST COMPELLING PIECE OF EVIDENCE IS HOME DEPOT KNOWS WHAT THE HECK THEY NEED.
LIKE THE BIGGEST LIMITER ON REVENUE FOR A RETAILER IS PARKING SPOT'S.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WHAT HOME DEPOT DOESN'T HAVE TO CARE ABOUT IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT'S NOT BAKED IN.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THAT'S THE DECISION I HAVE TO MAKE.
I THINK I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK, BUT IN ORDER TO MEET MY STANDARD, IT'S EASY.
SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE MS. WILLIAM, MR. MILLIKEN NA AYE MRS. AYE.
SO THE MOTION FAILS THREE TO TWO TO THREE.
IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? I'LL MAKE IT, UH,
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THE, THE ONLY QUESTION, SINCE I'M ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION, UM, THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER IT IS REASONABLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS.AND, UH, ENGINEERING TIME, WE'LL SAY 60 DAYS.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FOR THAT? HOLD OVER.
UH, YEAH, I'M GONNA PROPOSE WE HOLD IT OVER, BUT I NEED TO GIVE A DATE.
AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS SAY WE'RE GONNA HOLD IT OVER FOR 30 DAYS AND THEY SAY, I DON'T HAVE JULY.
I MEAN, I THINK HE WAS, UM, WHEN HE TALKED TO ME THAT HE WAS WANTING TO GO FOR JULY, IF POSSIBLE.
AND THE DATE OF THE 18TH? JULY 18TH? YEAH.
UH, WELL, I MOVE IN THE CASE OF BDA 2 3 4 DASH OH SEVEN NINE THAT THE BOARD HOLD OVER THE CASE UNTIL OUR MEETING ON JULY 18TH, 2024.
ARE YOU SURE? BECAUSE WE'RE MEETING ON THURSDAY, I GUESS NOW.
UM, IF YOU COULD, MAYBE I'LL ASK HIM IF HE WANTS TO DO 30 VERSUS 60, BECAUSE HE COMMUNICATED TO ME BEFORE, THIS WAS EVERY, BEFORE THE DISCUSSION THAT HE WANTED JULY.
BUT IF IT'S CHANGED, WELL, IT WAS PROBABLY FOR NOTICING.
NO, I NEED HIM TO GIVE ME A SIGN THAT SAYS 30 OR 60 WITHOUT.
SO CAN I ASK WHAT EXACTLY IS IT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? IS THAT I DON'T, TECHNICALLY THE HEARING IS, IS CLOSED, BUT I'LL FIND A WAY TO ARTICULATE IT.
WHAT IS, IF IT'S A TRAFFIC STUDY, WE ALREADY HAVE IT, SO WE CAN DO IT IN 30 DAYS.
WELL, OKAY, SO, SO LET'S DATA THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT TAKES TIME.
SO 30 DAYS, WE'LL DO IT AT 30 DAYS AND, AND, UH, IF PRIOR, I BELIEVE PRIOR TO 10 DAYS BEFORE, YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THEM AND IT CAN BE POSTPONED WITHOUT THE BOARD HEARING IT.
SO YOU CAN TALK, I'M SORRY, WHEN THEY SAID THE DATE, DON'T USE THE WHAT? WHEN THEY SAID THE DATE, DON'T WE SPEAK TO THE DATE? NOT IF, WELL, IT HAS TO BE HELD TO A DATE.
BUT THEN IF PRIOR TO A HEARING, IF IT'S MORE THAN 10 DAYS PRIOR, I BELIEVE YOU AS THE REPRESENTATIVE.
THAT'S FOR AN INITIAL APPLICATION.
INITIAL REQUEST I THINK FOR A HOLDOVER HAS TO BE ON THE DAY THAT THINK ABOUT START, THINK ABOUT
DIDN'T THEY, DIDN'T THEY POSTPONE THAT WHEN THEY POSTPONE? WELL, WE CAN, YES, WE CAN POSTPONE AND POSTPONE, BUT I REALLY DON'T LIKE THAT.
I, OKAY, THE MOTION IS FOR JULY 18TH, 2020 FIFTH, SECOND.
I THINK MR. MILLIKEN AND I HAVE SAID WE WANT MORE INFORMATION AS TO HOW THIS AFFECTS THE TRAFFIC INTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THE FORM THAT TAKES, UH, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHETHER IT'S TRAFFIC, STUDY, PARKING, BUT THERE MAY BE A TERM.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M AFTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT.
ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I SEE, WHICH IS AN EXISTING USE THAT USES THE PARKING.
AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T JUST USE WHAT ALREADY EXISTS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I I ALSO, I CAN SEE, UH, WHAT COULD HAPPEN BY COMPRESSING IT.
UH, SO ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S 19, UH, UH, AN EXTRA, AN EXTRA FOOT WIDE AND STALLS IS REALLY NICE THAT, THAT HAS PEOPLE NOT CRAMMING INTO EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TRUCKS AND LIKE, THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS.
UH, I JUST CAN'T MEET BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE SEEN NOTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND ADJACENT OR NEARBY STREETS.
I KNOW TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE INVOLVED AND I JUST HAVE NO IDEA.
SO I, I, WHEN I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY TO SHOW ME SOMETHING, THAT GIVES ME AN IDEA THAT I'M NOT JUST CREATING AN ABSOLUTE COLOSSAL, SO, UM, MR. VICE CHAIR, I, I GUESS I, MAYBE I'M, MAYBE I'M, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
MAYBE, LET ME ASK, UM, IN THE EVENT THE APPLICANT WITHDRAWALS THEIR REQUEST, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? IT'S WITHDRAWN.
IT WITHDRAWN, AND THEN THEY BUILD, THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, UM, THEY'RE ABLE TO INSTALL HOWEVER MANY PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE ALLOWED AT WHATEVER SPACING THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S STANDARD.
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WHAT'S THE NET? WHAT'S THE NET CHANGE? I DON'T KNOW.I WOULD ASSUME MORE PARKING SPACES.
I MEAN, WOULDN'T MORE PARKING? I DON'T KNOW.
THE, THE FACT THAT A PARKING SPACE EXISTS DOESN'T MAKE TRAFFIC.
IF YOU A BUSINESS, I MEAN, IT'S GOOD.
YOU WANT IT, YOU JUST WANT IT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE, TRAFFIC, GOOD PLACE TO GO.
IT DOESN'T SCREW YOUR NEIGHBORS, FRANKLY.
I MEAN, PUT DIRECTLY, I, AND I'M NOT REALLY SAYING IT WELL, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
LIKE, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN A PICTURE OF HOW IT WORKS.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE SITE ITSELF AND I THINK THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE.
WHAT ARE WE DOING, MS. WILLIAMS? I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
UM, SHOULD WE VOTE FIRST VOTING ON WE, WE HAVE ON MOTION TO HOLD OVER TO HOLD OVER UNTIL THE 18TH? I THINK I'VE SAID WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND IF THE APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE AS FAR, YES, WE THINK SO.
JUDY, BEFORE WE, BEFORE YOU TAKE A RECESS, I WOULD WANT TO, UH, REMIND THE APPLICANT THAT, UH, THE NOTICE ISSUE, THE SIGNS STILL HAVE TO REMAIN UP UNTIL THE FINAL, UH, DECISION IS MADE ON THE APPLICATION.
SO THEY NEED TO REMAIN UP UNTIL THE FINAL DECISION, SINCE A HOLDOVER IS NOT A FINAL DECISION, IT WOULD BE JULY 18TH WHEN THEY EITHER GRANT IT OR DENY IT WOULD BE THE FINAL DECISION.
CAN WE REITERATE WHAT THEIR, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO, I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT THE BOARD IS LOOKING FOR, I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT AS, AS WELL AS WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND FOR STAFF'S EDIFICATION AS WELL, WE WOULD, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT CHANGES HE NEEDS TO MAKE OR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OR WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
THIS IS HARD TO DO IN OUR STRUCTURE HERE.
UH, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.
SO HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT TO COME BACK? WELL, I'VE, I'VE SAID WHAT MY REASON FOR VOTING AGAINST IT WAS.
SO IT'S, I I TO KNOW HOW THIS WILL, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORING SITES AND WHAT ACTUALLY DRIVES TRAFFIC HERE, BECAUSE I'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHETHER, I THINK, WHETHER I CAN COME TO A CONCLUSION THAT, UH, ALLOWING 90 LESS SPACES, UH, WILL NOT INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY STREETS.
SO JUST REMEMBER, I'VE ONLY SEEN WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN ME.
SO THAT, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK OFFLINE.
AND, AND I THINK YOU'VE ALSO HEARD MR. MILTON'S CONCERNED.
SO THE BOARD WILL RECESS UNTIL, UNTIL 20 7:00 PM HMM.
IT IS 3:31 PM BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PANEL CS.
IT IS B-D-A-B-D 2 3 4 DASH FIVE NINE.
1 0 8 0 2 STRAIGHT LANE APPLICATION OF ROB BALDWIN FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO DEFENSE HEIGHT REGULATIONS AND FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE VISIBILITY OBSTRUCTION REGULATIONS.
SIR, DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM OR AFFIRM SO THE TRUTH AND YOUR TESTIMONY TO A COURT OF ADJUSTMENT? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
3 9 0 4 L STREET, SUITE GATE IN DALLAS.
THEY LEARNED MORE ABOUT PARKING THAN EVER THOUGHT THEY WANTED TO KNOW, BUT THEY HAD TO GO PICK THEIR CHILDREN UP.
UH, SO UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAD TO LEAVE, BUT IF THEY WOULD'VE STAYED, UH, MS. WARNOCK WOULD'VE TOLD YOU THAT AFTER THE LAST MEETING, UM, THEY WENT OUT AND KNOCKED ON DOORS AND SENT OUT LETTERS OVER 60 PEOPLE AND, UH, GOT UH, LETTERS TO SUPPORT.
AND SO THERE'S 13 LETTERS TO SUPPORT.
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ALL OF 'EM IN THE, UH, NOTIFICATION AREAS ARE ALL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.UH, THEY SAID THEY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS OR ANYBODY SAID THEY DID NOT SUPPORT THEIR FENCE.
THEY WOULD'VE ALSO TOLD YOU THAT AFTER THE LAST HEARING, UH, THEY WENT OUT, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ENCROACHMENTS AND SITE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROYAL AND STRAI, THEY WENT OUT AND THEY REMOVED THE, THE BOXWOOD HEDGE THAT WAS THERE AND TRIM BACK THESE PROTEINS AS MUCH AS THEY COULD BECAUSE THEY TECHNICALLY, THEY'RE IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH IT.
BUT THEY, THEY BROUGHT 'EM BACK ABOUT THREE FEET, TOOK OUT THE HEDGE TO, TO MAKE IT TO, UH, A MUCH MORE OPEN, UH, INTERSECTION THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD'VE TOLD YOU IF THEY WERE HERE.
UM, AND IF YOU MAY RECALL, THIS IS RIGHT, RIGHT ON THE HARD CORNER OF STRAIGHT AND, UH, LOWER LANE.
UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE, UH, ALONG THE, THE STRAIGHT LANE FRONTAGE.
UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT THE OTHER NEIGHBOR WE'RE THE ONLY HOUSE REALLY THAT FRONTS ON THE STRAIGHT LANE, ALL THE OTHER SIDE.
AND BY RIGHT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE NINE FOOT FENCES, UH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THEIR SIDE YARD, BUT IT'S OUR FRAME YARD.
THERE'S AN EXISTING FENCE, UH, BEHIND THE SHRUBS, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE OVER THERE.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SIDE YARD AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU REQUEST THAT, THAT THERE ARE TWO VERY SMALL ENCROACHMENTS INTO TIGHT SITE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AT THE GATE.
UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO DRIVEWAYS.
WE'VE TAKING IT ONE AND IT'S ABOUT A ONE FOOT ENCROACHMENT INSIDE HIS BOAT TRIANGLE ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT.
THOSE ENCROACHMENTS ARE SET BACK AT LEAST 20 FEET FROM, UH, THE STREET.
AND, UH, THAT, THAT, THOSE ARE THE ENCROACHMENTS RIGHT THERE.
AND, UH, MR. NAVARRA SAID THAT HE DID NOT SEE ANY CONCERNS.
I WAS IN CONTACT WITH FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER GATES WHO SPOKE IN OPPOSITION.
UH, DID, DID REMOVE THAT IF YOU SAID SHE WOULD NOT BE COMING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO, TO, SO I CAN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROPERTY, UH, PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAW LAST TIME, BUT I, I SUSPECT YOU'RE TIRED.
UM, SO SIX FOOT TALL DECORATIVE IRON FENCE.
UH, A HANDFUL OF MASONRY COLUMNS, A SLIGHT ENCROACHMENT, A SLIGHT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE.
AND, UH, I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS.
AND I'M GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
ANY QUESTIONS? I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, TO MR. BALDWIN THAT NONE OF US ARE TIRED.
YEAH, BUT WE HAVE ANOTHER, WE HAVE ANOTHER CIRCULATION CASE COMING UP.
YOU MIGHT GIVE ME THE TAP OUT OF THAT.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION? SHALL I MAKE IT GO AHEAD.
WELL, IF I DO IT, YOU'RE GONNA TO WAIT A SECOND.
SEE, I KNEW SOMEBODY WOULD SAY I MOVE AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL NUMBER BDA 2 3 4 DASH 0 5 9 ON APPLICATION OF ROB BALDWIN.
GRANT, THE REQUEST TO MAINTAIN ITEMS IN THE 20 FOOT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE OF PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE VISUAL OBSTRUCTION REGULATION CONTAINED IN THE DALLAS DEVELOP CODE IS AMENDED BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY AND TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION WILL NOT CONSTITUTE TRAFFIC HAZARD.
THE BOND CONDITION BEING IMPOSED FURTHER, THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE DIAL DEVELOPMENT CODE IS AMENDED.
COMPLIANCE OF THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ALL SUBMITTED PLANS ARE REQUIRED.
I HAVE SECOND MOTION AGNI DISCUSSION.
THEY DID EVERYTHING THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ASKED TO DO.
MR. BALDWIN, MR. SLATE WOULD ALWAYS WANT ME TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SIT DOWN WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION.
THIS GROUP IS WAY PAST POLITE.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION.
UH, I MOVE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL NUMBER BDA 2 3 4 DASH 0 5 9 ON APPLICATION OF ROB BALDWIN.
GRANT, THE REQUEST OF THIS APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT AND OR MAINTAIN A SIX FOOT HIGH FENCES SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS FOR FENCES CONTAINED IN DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE IS AMENDED BECAUSE OUR EVALUATION OF PROPERTY AND THE TESTIMONY SHOWS THAT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBOR AND PROPERTY.
I FURTHER REMOVE THE FOLLOWING CONDITION DUE TO FURTHER THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT CODE
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COMPLIANCE OF HEIGHT AND FENCE LOCATION REQUIREMENTS ILLUSTRATED.THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ALL SUBMITTED PLANS ARE REQUIRED.
SO HOUSEKEEPING, NEXT MONTH WE MEET ON THURSDAY.
ALSO THE AUGUST MEETING THAT WE HAD SCHEDULED VERY EARLY.
UH, WE ARE NOT GONNA DO THE TRAINING, SO IT WILL NOT BE VERY EARLY.
UH, IT WILL BE AT THE NORMAL TIME.
IT WILL NOT BE A NINE O'CLOCK MEETING.
UH, AND IF YOU GIVE ME HALF A SECOND, I WILL, UH, I CAN REMEMBER THAT ONE.
UH, WE WILL, ON AUGUST 19TH, WE START AT 10 30.
SO WE START AT 10 30 IN AUGUST, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S BASED ON PROJECTED CASE COUNTS, WHICH EVERY TIME I TELL YOU, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CASES.
TWO OR THREE SEEM TO WALK OFF.
SO I'M NOT GONNA PREDICT, I'M NOT COMPLAINING.
SO WE JUST DECIDED TRYING TO DO TRAINING TWO MONTHS BEFORE A BIG MEETING.
I'D LIKE TO MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO GO ON RECORD, UM, AND ASK, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR'S CALENDAR IF WE COULD GO BACK TO HAVING A RECESS, RECESS IN JULY.
I'D LIKE TO, I SUSPECT PUT THE RECORD STATE GIVEN THAT OUR PANEL YEAH, WE MAY BE ABLE TO MOVE IT BACK, BUT YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT ALSO, WE DECEMBER YEAH, WE ONLY GET ONE MONTH.
THAT'S MEANT TO ROTATE, RIGHT? SO THIS SHOULD BE OUR HEAVY YEAR NEXT YEAR.
WE SHOULD, I WAS INSIDE THE GREEN SO, UM, I PLUGGED MINE INSIDE THE, THAT'S EVERYTHING I CAN THINK OF ACTUALLY.
WAS THIS SOME PLUG OUT THREE OR MINE SHOULD BE ON THE FLOOR.
UH, MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT WHAT TIME? POINT I LEFT MY BATTERY.
UH, THREE 40 AT 3:40 PM THANK YOU.