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IT IS JUNE THE 24TH.[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on June 24, 2024.]
THE TIME IS NOW 9:07.AND WE ARE CALLING THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE TO ORDER.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
IS THERE A MOTION? SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN MORENO AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I'M CYNTHIA ELLICKSON, DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.
THANK YOU. WE WILL START WITH SLIDE TWO, PLEASE.
THANK YOU. HERE WE HAVE OUR MISSION ACCORDING TO OUR DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033.
THERE ARE TWO PLANS THAT WE FOLLOW THAT DICTATE OUR GOALS.
DHP 33 SMARTIE GOALS AND OUR HUD CONSOLIDATED ACTION PLAN.
OUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART IS CHARACTERIZED BY THREE OPERATING FUNCTIONS BUDGET AND COMPLIANCE, CLIENT SERVICES, AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
WE HAVE 57 POSITIONS AND WILL ADD THREE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, WHICH WERE REQUESTED IN FY 22-23 THAT WERE APPROVED IN FY 23-24, WHICH GIVES US A TOTAL OF 60 POSITIONS.
9 OF THE 60 POSITIONS WILL BE REIMBURSED BY OUR CORPORATIONS.
HERE WE HAVE A BREAKOUT OF THOSE 60 POSITIONS ACCORDING TO THEIR FUNCTIONAL AREA AND COST CENTER.
WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER $5 MILLION PLANNED FOR OUR FY 24-25 YEAR.
THE MAJOR REDUCTION IS DUE TO THE ONE TIME FUNDING RECEIVED IN FY 23 AND 24.
WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF OUR OPERATING EXPENSES WITH REIMBURSEMENTS INCLUDED, WHICH YIELDS OUR PLANNED REVENUE AMOUNT OF RIGHT OVER $5 MILLION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE HAVE AN UNOBLIGATED AMOUNT OF LITTLE OVER $9.4 MILLION, AND MAJORITY OF THIS FUNDING WILL BE FOR OUR REPAIR DALLAS HOUSING ASSISTANCE AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE HAVE AN UNOBLIGATED AMOUNT OF A LITTLE OVER $1.9 MILLION, AND MAJORITY OF THIS FUNDING WILL ASSIST US IN HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. CDBG DR-FUNDING.
ARPA FUNDING. WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER $473,000 OF UNOBLIGATED FUNDING.
HERE WE'LL REVIEW DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION.
THEIR NET INCOME IS CURRENTLY RIGHT ABOVE $4.9 MILLION.
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NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION.
THEIR NET INCOME IS JUST ABOVE $3.3 MILLION.
WE HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, STANDING NOTICE OF FUNDING AVAILABILITY, MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS AND LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAMS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
OUR CORPORATIONS CONSIST OF DALLAS HOUSING ACQUISITION AND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, AND DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. SLIDE 24, PLEASE.
HERE WE SHOW OUR PREVIOUS BUDGET INITIATIVES FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WE'LL START TO OUR RIGHT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
THANK YOU. SO AS AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PAGES 10 THROUGH 13 OR SO, I MEAN, WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THE UNOBLIGATED FUNDS.
BUT WHAT'S THE WHY THERE? I MEAN, I THINK ON SOME OF IT, IT TAKES TIME TO MOVE THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
AND SO WHAT MAY APPEAR TO BE UNOBLIGATED, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE BETWEEN PIPELINE VERSUS UNOBLIGATED AND UNDERSTANDING WHY WE'VE GOT SOME BIG NUMBERS ON, ON UNOBLIGATED.
RIGHT. SO FOR CDBG PURPOSE, WE HAVE A LARGE $4.8 MILLION, ALONG WITH THE $3.1 MILLION IN CDBG UNOBLIGATED. SOME OF THAT IS ADMIN, SOME OF THAT IS HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE, AND SOME OF IT IS DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT MONEY IS ON HOLD A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THAT APPLICATION IN AUGUST.
WHAT WE SAW IS THEY WERE RECEIVING WE WERE RECEIVING FUNDING FROM EQUITY AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.
THOSE FUNDS WENT OUT THE DOOR VERY QUICKLY.
IT'S OUR CDBG FUNDS THAT SAT FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE THEY WERE COMPETING EFFORTS GOING ON THERE.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THIS IS ADMIN MONEY.
SO IT'S IT'S CARRIED OVER FROM PREVIOUS YEARS OF NOT USING.
SO IS THAT TRULY UNOBLIGATED THOUGH? I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN OBLIGATED TO THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT.
WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO USE IT.
WE HAVE PIPELINE OF ACTIVITIES GOING ON THAT WE HAVEN'T COUNTED YET FOR HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE, AND WE KNOW WE'LL GET IT OUT THE DOOR VERY QUICKLY FOR DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS ALREADY COMING TO US ASKING FOR FUNDING.
IT'S JUST NOT UNDER CONTRACT AT THIS POINT.
OKAY. SO PIPELINE EQUALS UNDER CONTRACT.
PIPELINE AND EQUITY AND ENCUMBRANCE EQUAL SOME SOME LEVEL OF CONTRACTING.
AND THEN ON PAGE 13 UNDER DISASTER RELIEF, WHICH I THINK IS HELPFUL TO SPELL OUT THE DR IS DISASTER RELIEF FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO MAY READ THIS, I THINK YOU SAID DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. THAT'S WHY THESE ARPA FUNDS OR THESE I'M SORRY, THESE FUNDS AREN'T SPENT.
THESE FUNDS ARE UNOBLIGATED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
YES. AGAIN, GOING INTO OUR NOFA.
OKAY. AND THEN ON THE ARPA FUNDS THAT ARE UNSPENT ON PAGE 15 OR UNOBLIGATED, I SHOULD SAY YES.
SO WE DID HAVE A CHANGE IN MOTION UNDER ARPA.
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AREA, WE FOUND UNDER REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS ONCE THE FINAL RULE WAS WAS POSTED THAT WE COULDN'T USE THESE FUNDS FOR GENERAL INFRASTRUCTURE, IT HAD TO BE CLOSELY TIED TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE WERE SERVING.SO WE HAD TO MOVE MONEY VERY QUICKLY OUT OF THOSE CATEGORIES AND PUT IT IN DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS WHAT'S LEFT FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSE.
OKAY. AND YOU'VE TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP AT FULL COUNCIL, AND THAT IS ON A CONTRACT FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN A CONSULTANT TO HELP MANAGE THE ARPA CONTRACTS.
AND UNDERSTANDING THAT AND THE POINT YOU JUST RAISED ILLUSTRATES WHY THAT'S NEEDED.
BECAUSE IT WAS A MOVING TARGET.
RIGHT. AND CERTAINLY BE ON TOP OF INTERPRETATION CHANGES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE CLOSELY TIED TO WASHINGTON IN ORDER TO GET THOSE INTERPRETATION CHANGES QUICKLY. AND BY THE TIME IT COMES DOWN TO US TIME HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT.
AND HERE WE ARE WITH SOME EXTRA MONEY BECAUSE THOSE CHANGES OCCURRED MIDSTREAM.
WELL, IT WAS ON PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF DEVELOPMENT FUNDING LEVERAGED BY PRIVATE SOURCES, IT SEEMED LIKE.
SO WE'VE LANDED ON A GOAL FOR 24-25, UP TO 80%, AND I'M LOOKING AT 23 OR 22-23, WHICH WAS AT 89%.
SO BUT IN THE MIDDLE THERE IT WAS, IT WAS LOWER.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL NUMBERS IN THERE.
I MEAN, SO YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN RAISING THAT NUMBER UNDER UNDER FUNDING LEVERAGED BY PRIVATE SOURCES? YES. ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE IN RAISING THE NUMBER IS BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED SOME OF OUR RULES TO REQUIRE FOLKS TO BRING MORE MONEY TO THE TABLE WHEN WE CAP ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON IN OUR DEVELOPMENT, THAT MEANS DEVELOPERS NEED TO BRING MORE MONEY TO THE TABLE.
SO THAT DEFINITELY ALLOWS US TO GO UP TO A HIGHER NUMBER.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU AND STAFF BRINGING THESE TO ALL THE COMMITTEES.
AS JUST AS I BROUGHT THIS UP IN OTHER COMMITTEES, WE WE ASKED DURING THE LAST BUDGET SEASON THAT WE START HAVING SOME OF THESE BRIEFINGS BEFORE WE GET TO THE BUDGET TALKS IN THE FALL SO THAT WE'RE NOT KIND OF LEARNING ABOUT DEPARTMENTS FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL SAVE SOME TIME IN AUGUST.
SO THANK YOU FOR PREPARING THIS.
I MEAN, MISS WILLIS ASKED A BUNCH OF GREAT QUESTIONS WHO DECIDED TO ADD IN THE LAST TWO PERFORMANCE MEASURES? WHERE DO THOSE COME FROM? I THINK THEY'RE GREAT.
SO WE WERE ASKED TO TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE EQUITY PERSONAL PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
AND SINCE WE HAVE OUR TARGET AREAS, THOSE ARE EQUITY STRATEGY TARGET AREAS, WE DECIDED TO TO ADD THOSE TWO IN AND REMOVE SOME OF THE ONES WE HAD BEFORE TO MAKE SURE WE STAY WITHIN THE EQUITY REQUIREMENTS ON PERFORMANCE.
BESIDES, WHEN COUNCIL REVIEWS THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES AS PART OF SETTING THE BUDGET IN IN THE FALL, WHO ELSE IN YOUR SORT OF CHAIN OF COMMAND REVIEWS THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND TWEAKS THEM? WELL, I WOULD SAY ALL OF MY LINE OF OF COMMAND.
SO IT WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND THEN ME, MYSELF AS THE DIRECTOR AND THEN MY TEAM WHO WORKS TO PULL THESE TOGETHER. ARE THESE REVIEWED YEARLY BY EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP OR HOW OFTEN OR IS IT A SORT OF AS THEY COME UP? THEIR REVIEW NO.
BUT ALSO LET ME INCLUDE THE BUDGET OFFICE LOOKS AT THESE VERY CLOSELY AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT JUST WITHIN MY SCOPE OF OF HIERARCHY.
SO BUDGET DEFINITELY GIVES US SOME FEEDBACK ON THEM.
AND LAST QUESTION IF I WAS A RESIDENT ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SEE DIFFERENT FROM HOUSING FOR THE NEXT YEAR? ARE THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH NOT A TRICK QUESTION, BUT PRETTY MUCH BUSINESS AS USUAL, AS DOES THIS BUDGET REFLECT ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT THAT RESIDENTS WILL NOTICE? SO THE BUDGET DEFINITELY.
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SO WE WILL SEE THE CHANGES WE WILL SEE OVER THE NEXT YEAR ARE GOING TO BE OUR OUR COMMITMENT AND EXPENDITURE MOVING A LOT FASTER, OUR ABILITY TO SERVE CLIENTS A LOT FASTER BY GETTING THEM SERVICES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PERFORM UNDER.AND, AND OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY SERVE AND GET MONEY TO THE CLIENTS THAT NEED IT, AS WELL AS GET OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES UP AND MOVING.
SO YOU HAVE IN YOUR STAFFING REPORT, 13 OF YOUR 57 EMPLOYEES ARE ADMINISTRATIVE THAT ARE PAID OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, PLUS ADDITIONAL ONES THAT ARE PAID OUT OF GRANT.
DOES IT SO 16 ALTOGETHER? OKAY. SO I GUESS I'M OVER HERE QUESTIONING HOW MUCH ADMINISTRATION YOU HAVE.
SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF I'M SORRY I DIDN'T COUNT THEM THAT WAY LET ME SEE.
SO IF YOU LOOK JUST IN YOUR FIRST COLUMN ON SLIDE SEVEN, RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE 9 THERE UNDER THE GRANTS AND THEN UNDER GENERAL FUND ANOTHER 13.
CORRECT. SO 13 ARE WELL WE ACTUALLY HAVE 14, 15, 16 UNDER GENERAL FUND ALONG WITH.
OH, HOW IS THIS SET? YES. SO WE HAVE 16 UNDER GENERAL FUND, 13 OF THEM ARE ADMIN.
THAT'S THE HIGHER LEVEL POSITIONS BECAUSE WE TOUCH ALL FUNDING SOURCES AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE NOT FEDERALLY FUNDED ALONE, AND THEREFORE OUR POSITIONS CAN'T SIT IN A GRANT.
HUD WILL HAVE SOME ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE TOUCH AS WELL AS OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM, OUR I'M SORRY, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM THAT SERVES THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, NOT DOING JUST GRANT FUNDED ACTIVITIES.
WE'RE ALSO DOING [INAUDIBLE] CORPORATION ACTIVITIES, THEY HANDLE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
THEY HANDLE OUR GENERAL AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ALL FEDERALLY FUNDED.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CORPORATIONS THAT DON'T SIT IN THE GRANT AS WELL.
OKAY. SO WHEN YOU'RE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE 13 THAT ARE ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE, NOT THE 16 WHERE YOU HAVE A PROJECT MANAGER OR HOUSING COORDINATOR, WHICH ARE CLEARLY ENGAGED IN VERY HOUSING SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES.
AGENDA COORDINATOR IS A FULL TIME JOB.
SO THE AGENDA COORDINATOR SITS IN THE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM.
AND THAT PERSON ALSO HELPS WITH ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIVITIES.
BUT THE MAIN FOCUS OF THAT POSITION IS AGENDA COORDINATING.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE OTHER POSITION FOR JUST BUDGET FINANCE.
AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE ONES THAT ARE GRANT FUNDED.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT FEEDBACK.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THOUGH FOR THE FOR THE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS.
WHERE ARE THOSE DOLLARS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE FEE IN LIEU INSTEAD OF IS THAT GOING INTO GENERAL FUND, OR IS THAT TO A DEDICATED FUND? THAT IS THAT GOES THROUGH GENERAL FUND.
SO THE FUNDS COME IN THROUGH THE BUDGET OFFICE MANAGES THOSE FUNDS.
IT IT'S ACTUALLY A IT'S IT HAS ITS OWN ACCOUNT FOR REVENUE AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT WE COUNTED IN A GENERAL FUND COUNT.
IT'S NOT HITTING THE GENERAL FUND.
IT IS SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT THAT WE JUST PUT IT IN THAT CATEGORY BECAUSE IT'S NOT GRANT.
IS IT RESTRICTED? IS THERE ANYONE FROM BUDGET OFFICE HERE TO EXPLAIN THAT ACCOUNT? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY HERE SO I'D LIKE IT IS RESTRICTED.
SO LET ME EXPLAIN HOW IT'S RESTRICTED.
SO THE FUNDING THE REVENUE COMES IN.
IT SITS IN THE REVENUE ACCOUNT THAT WAS SET UP AT THE TIME WE APPROVED THE PROGRAM.
ANY TIME WE USE THOSE FUNDS, WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL TO MOVE THEM OUT INTO OTHER ACTIVITIES.
APPROVAL FROM WHOM? SO WE GET APPROVAL FROM DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT, WE GET APPROVAL FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE AND COUNCIL.
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SO WE HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL, SET UP NEW ACCOUNTS TO USE THOSE FUNDS FOR PROGRAMS, PROJECTS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.AND WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT BALANCE? CURRENTLY IT'S $7 MILLION, A LITTLE OVER $7 MILLION, YES.
SO WE RECEIVED ABOUT $14 MILLION THIS YEAR, AND SEVEN OF IT IS STILL IN OUR ACCOUNT.
SEVEN OF IT WENT TO PROJECTS AND WE BROUGHT THOSE TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
OKAY. WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY ONCE AGAIN, SOMETHING I SAID WHEN THE PROJECT WAS, WAS INITIATED THAT IF WE'RE OKAY WITH HIGHER DENSITY, BUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO CHARGE PEOPLE MORE, WHY DON'T WE JUST LET THEM HAVE HIGHER DENSITY? LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THE RESTRICTION IS SEVEN STORIES, BUT OH, WE'LL LET YOU GO TO TEN IF YOU PAY THIS EXTRA MONEY, THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY OKAY WITH TEN. AND I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DIDN'T JUST LET THAT HAPPEN.
WE WOULD HAVE LOST AFFORDABILITY ALTOGETHER.
THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS WHAT IS THE CURRENT BALANCE FOR? OKAY, YOU'VE GOT THE PSC.
IS THE PSC BEING AUDITED AS PART OF THE CITY AUDIT? IS THAT PART OF YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE SERIES OF THINGS THAT GET AUDITED.
SO WE PROVIDE OUR COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE THE AUDITS, AND I'M NOT SURE THEIR AUDIT IS SEPARATE.
AND THEN WE PROVIDE THOSE AUDIT REPORTS TO THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE ANNUALLY.
I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT IS TOO AUTONOMOUS.
FOR THE FOR PAGE 11 THIS IS GOING A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS WAS ASKING ABOUT.
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY DOLLARS THAT ARE UNOBLIGATED UNDER CDBG FOR FISCAL YEARS 19-20, 21 AND 22? RIGHT. SO THERE'S 4 MILLION.
CORRECT. SO THOSE WERE THE YEARS THAT WE HAD, THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WERE GENERAL FUNDED, EQUITY FUNDED, ALL THOSE OTHER CDBG DR, ARPA, WE RECEIVED ALL OF THOSE STIMULUS DOLLARS DURING THIS TIME.
THOSE DOLLARS COMPETED WITH CDBG DOLLARS BECAUSE THE TIMELINES FOR FOR EXPENDITURE ON THOSE DOLLARS IS SHORTER THAN IT IS ON CDBG. SO OUR STAFF WAS USING THOSE DOLLARS AND GETTING THEM OUT THE DOOR BEFORE WE CAME TO CDBG THE CDBG PROGRAM.
ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD THE CONTRACT WITH GRANTS WORKS THAT WE SAT ON A LITTLE TOO LONG AND NEEDED TO GET IT MOVED AND GET THOSE DOLLARS MOVED OVER SO THAT WE COULD USE THEM MORE TIMELY.
SO WE HAD SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON IN THE YEAR OR THOSE YEARS THAT COMPETED WITH CDBG FUNDING AND GETTING THOSE DOLLARS OUT THE DOOR.
AND WILL YOUR CD WILL FISCAL YEAR 19 THAT WILL EXPIRE SOON.
CORRECT. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS WHAT DID YOU SAY THE DOLLARS IN FISCAL YEAR 19 THAT YOU'RE ALLOCATED? I MEAN, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATED $13,000 RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THOSE? NO. SO CDBG DOESN'T HAVE TIMELINES FOR THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE KINDS OF TIMELINES.
HAVE A FIVE YEAR. NO, THEY DON'T FUND UNDER THAT KIND OF TIMELINE.
IT IS A TIMELINESS TEST THAT MEASURES CDBG TIMELINESS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE LOSE MONEY.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO COMMIT TO HAVING SPENT DOWN? YES. SO WE ALREADY HAVE PROJECTS.
WE ALREADY HAVE PROJECTS TO COMMIT THESE DOLLARS TO.
OKAY. AND FOR HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATIONS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BALANCES FOR THAT? HOUSING FINANCE CORP.
HAS ABOUT $13 MILLION IN CASH.
THAT IS NOT THIS ANNUAL ALLOCATION OR, I'M SORRY, ANNUAL BUDGET THAT THEY HAVE SET UP HERE, BUT IT'S ABOUT $13 MILLION IN CASH, A LITTLE OVER THAT.
OKAY. AND THEN SAME THING FOR THE UNOBLIGATED FOR THE HOME FUNDING.
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I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT $634.YES. SO WE DID WE DID A CLEAN UP ON HOME ACCOUNTS THIS PAST YEAR.
AND THE TENANT BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM HAD ABOUT $1.6 MILLION SITTING IN IT.
WE FOUND THAT THE $634,000 UNOBLIGATED IS WHAT'S LEFT IN THERE.
SO WE WILL HAVE ACTIVITIES GOING THERE.
WE HAVE ACTUALLY BUILDERS OF HOPE AND SAINT JUDE PROJECTS COMMITTED TO THOSE DOLLARS.
OKAY, SO TO COUNCIL MEMBER WEST'S QUESTION ABOUT THINGS THAT MIGHT BE NEW THIS TIME, I MEAN, BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THESE DOLLARS, WHICH AREN'T GOING TO SHOW UP IN OUR BUDGET, BUT ARE ACTUALLY SITTING THERE WAITING TO BE EXECUTED, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE PART OF THE MESSAGING BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW DOLLARS TO BE USED EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE JUST BEEN SITTING THERE.
OKAY. SO ALONG WITH THE QUESTIONS ABOUT PSC AND AND WHO'S AUDITING THOSE FOR HFC, IS THAT BEING INDEPENDENTLY AUDITED OR IS THAT BEING IS THAT PART OF THE CITY'S AUDIT. IT'S INDEPENDENT.
THEY'RE INDEPENDENTLY AUDITED OKAY.
AND THEN WHY IS IT TAKING 180 DAYS TO EXECUTE A HIP CONTRACT.
AND AFTER THAT I ONLY HAVE ONE MORE.
GOOD MORNING, THOR ERIKSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.
THE 23-24 FUNDS WERE PRIMARILY OUTSOURCED TO SUBCONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS GRANT WORKS.
THAT WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
SO THE OUTSOURCING, WHEN WE DIDN'T MOVE IT, WE BROUGHT THE MONEY BACK IN.
THE TIMELINE BETWEEN APPLICATION AND CLOSING IS MUCH, MUCH GREATER THAN OUR NORMAL TIME FRAME.
SO IS YOUR GOAL WHAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR GOAL FOR THE COMING YEAR? SO THE GOAL FOR THE COMING YEAR THIS MEASURE DOES NOT NECESSARILY SHOW A BUDGETARY GOAL.
IT SHOWS A STAFF EFFICIENCY GOAL.
AND SO THE GOAL, THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES HERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TIED TO BUDGETARY PERFORMANCE.
SO THOR DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF DAYS.
THAT'S YOUR GOAL? WE WON'T HAVE A NUMBER OF DAYS THAT ARE OUR GOAL AND OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES, BUT OUR INTERNAL GOAL IS STRIVING TO BE WITHIN THAT FOUR MONTH PERIOD BETWEEN APPLICATION AND CLOSING.
CLOSING OF THE CONTRACT OR COMPLETION OF THE WORK? CLOSING OF THE THE LOAN THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO THE HOMEOWNER TO START REPAIRS.
OKAY. AND SO MY LAST QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FUNDS THAT WERE FOR THE TANGLED TITLE PROGRAM? THOSE FUNDS HAVE ALL BEEN SPENT DEDICATED TO OUR LAST VENDOR OR THEY BEEN ALL ALLOCATED.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH FINAL EXPENDITURES, BUT THE THE SECOND VENDOR WE HIRED HAS COMPLETED THEIR SERVICES, AND THERE'S NO CURRENT MONEY DEDICATED TO THE PROGRAM. AND HOW MANY TITLES DID THEY UNTANGLE? I'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE ACTUAL DATA ON HOW MANY THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE.
OKAY. CHAIR, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO HEAR THAT BRIEFING.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN GRACEY.
THANK YOU. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT OF AN EDUCATION TO COUNCIL WOMAN MENDELSOHN AND I WERE UP HERE TALKING.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.
LET'S START WITH THE REVENUE SOURCES.
SO, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION IS BRINGING IN REVENUE.
DALLAS HOUSING FACILITIES CORPORATION ALSO BRINGING IN REVENUE.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT REVENUE GETS USED? OR IS PLANNED TO BE USED OR.
YES. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IT PLANS TO BE USED BECAUSE I LISTEN IN ON THE BOARD MEETINGS WHILE THEY HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN I'M SORRY.
LET ME, LET ME LET ME STOP YOU.
SO AND NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, I'LL ASK IT THIS WAY.
ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE REVENUE FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE CAN BE USED? SO, YOU KNOW, STATE LAW SAYS THIS AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE LIMITED IN TERMS OF HOW I KNOW SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION HOW IT
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CAN BE WE LIMITED AND HOW IT CAN BE USED THE REVENUE THAT.BUT CAN YOU JUST PROVIDE ME KIND OF A AN UPDATE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE? THE REVENUE THAT COMES IN THE SOURCE OF THE REVENUE.
AND THEN JUST HOW WHAT ARE THE HOW CAN THAT REVENUE BE USED? AND THEN HOW IS THE CITY CURRENTLY EITHER PLANNING TO USE IT OR WHAT ARE WHAT PARAMETERS HAVE WE PLACED ON THE USE OF THAT REVENUE? YES. SO THE THE REVENUE, THE SOURCE OF REVENUE IS FROM FEES.
AND PAYMENTS, LEASE PAYMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY HAVE UNDER CONTRACT WITH EACH ENTITY.
THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS IT CAN BE USED FOR ANY ACTIVITY THAT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAS AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH IS NOT A COMMON ACTIVITY THAT THE THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT ENGAGES IN, BUT IT CAN BE USED FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS WELL.
YEAH. SO IF YEAH I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE KIND OF WHAT, WHAT ARE THE JUST AN EXPLANATION OF EACH ONE OF THE REVENUE SOURCES, KIND OF WHAT THE STATE SAYS, HOW THEY CAN BE USED AND THEN KIND OF HOW THE CITY IS BEING USED.
AND THE REASON I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING ALL OF THAT IS BECAUSE AS WE SIT AND WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, HOME REPAIR, AND WE'RE STANDING IN LINE WAITING FOR THIS AND WAITING FOR THAT, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY USE SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS TO ACTUALLY CREATE SOME SOLUTIONS IF WE'RE NOT.
AND I GUESS I JUST DON'T HAVE CLARITY ON HOW THEY'RE BEING USED.
SO THAT'LL BE MOVED TO AUGUST.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST PUBLIC FACILITIES I WANT FOR FOR ALL.
AND WE'LL GET YOU WE CAN GET YOU INFORMATION FOR HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION BEFORE THEN OKAY.
PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.
BEFORE WE START, I DO WANT TO THANK ALENA, OUR NEW ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, FOR JOINING US TODAY.
THANK YOU. NEXT BRIEFING IS ITEM C.
DO WE HAVE, CHRISTINE? GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBERS CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.
AND HI, SARAH KAHN PRESIDENT AND CEO OF HOUSING FORWARD.
SO IF WE CAN GET TO THE FIRST SLIDE, PLEASE.
I KNOW IT WAS UP JUST A MINUTE AGO.
WELL, WHY DON'T YOU GO? ARE YOU ABLE TO GO AHEAD WITHOUT THE PRESENTATION? SURE. YES.
DO YOU HAVE IT? DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU A PAPER COPY OF IT? NO, WE HAVE IT HERE.
OKAY. AS LONG AS YOU GUYS HAVE COPIES AS WELL, WE SHOULD BE GOOD.
I THINK WE ALL HAVE COPIES UP HERE TO VIEW, AND IT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA FOR ANYBODY WATCHING.
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PRESENTATION AND SEE IT.OH, HERE WE GO. SEE WE STALLED LONG ENOUGH THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO PULL IT UP.
OKAY. I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO SARAH.
YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND KICK US OFF? SURE. THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK.
I WILL DO A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE VETERAN HOMELESSNESS DECLARATION FROM MAY, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE LAUNCH OF OUR COMMUNITY WIDE DASHBOARD AS WE SHIFT FROM JUST LOOKING AT THE REAL TIME INITIATIVE TO OUR COMMUNITY WIDE PERFORMANCE.
AND THAT DASHBOARD WAS RELEASED IN JUNE.
SO STARTING WITH FIRST SLIDE, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SINCE 2021, A LARGE COMPONENT OF OUR SYSTEM TRANSFORMATION EFFORTS HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS, INCLUDING THE CITY OF DALLAS MAKING VERY STRATEGIC AND ALIGNED INVESTMENTS IN EXPANDING REHOUSING INTERVENTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY UNDER A UNIFIED GOAL OF REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS. AND THE DATA THAT WE PRESENTED LAST QUARTER REALLY DEMONSTRATED THAT PRIOR TO 2021, WE HAD FOCUSED ON BUILDING THE EMERGENCY SHELTER AND CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM.
WE ADDED A LOT OF SHELTER BEDS AND A LOT OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.
AND SO THE RESULT OF THAT WAS BETWEEN 2015 AND 2021, WE SAW A 45% INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THE CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM THAT WE HAD BUILT.
AND JUST TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, LAST QUARTER, WE PRESENTED THAT OUR SYSTEM ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH YEAR, MORE THAN 7000 INDIVIDUALS AND INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES ARE COMING INTO HOMELESSNESS NEWLY EACH YEAR, ON TOP OF THOSE EXPERIENCING LONG TERM HOMELESSNESS.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST 7001 EXITS FROM THE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE OUR HOMELESS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO WHAT WE SAW IN THE POINT IN TIME DATA THIS YEAR IS THAT SINCE 2021, THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE HAVE CREATED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY REQUIRED TO MAKE PROGRESS TOWARDS OUR GOALS. SO WE HAVE BEEN EXPANDING DIVERSION TO INTERVENE EARLY WHEN PEOPLE FIRST REACH SHELTER, SO THAT WE CAN SUPPORT THEM, TO IMMEDIATELY RESOLVE THEIR HOUSING CRISIS AND TO CONTINUOUSLY FREE UP THE SHELTER BEDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR OTHERS THAT NEED TO COME INSIDE.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT HOMELESSNESS OVERALL, WE REDUCE HOMELESSNESS BY 19%.
THAT WAS THE LOWEST COUNT THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE 2015.
AND WE DID THAT THROUGH HOUSING OVER 10,100 INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES.
NEXT SLIDE. THE NATIONAL DATA FOR 2024 IS NOT AVAILABLE YET, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING AGAIN, THAT I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE AND THE WAY IN WHICH THE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS HAVE COME TOGETHER HAVE REALLY SET US APART FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES.
LAST YEAR, WE WERE ONE OF FIVE BIG CITIES THAT REDUCED HOMELESSNESS.
AND 75% OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE IN THE NATION SAW LARGE INCREASES.
AND I NOTE THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A SIGNAL THAT THAT PROGRESS IS VERY FRAGILE.
AND SO I THINK THE WAY THAT WE CONTINUE TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS IS BY MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE INVESTING ENOUGH IN OUR REHOUSING EFFORTS TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF DOING THAT AS A COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
IF YOU GO ONE MORE UP MAYBE SORRY, I THINK I'M.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN STOP THERE.
YOU CAN STOP THERE. I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
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THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE ON.AND I KNOW THAT WE ALL TAKE OUR RESPONSIBILITY VERY SERIOUSLY TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO SLEEP OUTSIDE, ON THE STREETS AND AT THE STATE OF HOMELESS ADDRESS IN APRIL, THE ALL NEIGHBORS COALITION SET OUR SIGHTS ON OUR NEXT BIG SYSTEM MILESTONE WAS, WHICH IS GETTING TO A 50% REDUCTION IN UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS BY 2026.
THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A TWO PRONGED APPROACH A $30 MILLION REHOUSING INITIATIVE TO PICK UP WHERE THE REAL TIME INITIATIVE IS, IS WINDING DOWN TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH THAT DEMAND FROM MONTH TO MONTH TO GET PEOPLE BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING, AS WELL AS A MORE TARGETED STREET TO HOME ENCAMPMENT RESPONSE MODEL.
THIS IS A PROVEN MODEL THAT WE HAVE USED TO CLOSE ENCAMPMENTS AND TO, AND THIS IS A MODEL THAT NOW A FEW COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE USING TO CLOSE ENCAMPMENTS AND REALLY MANAGE THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS RELATED TO UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS BY HAVING VERY TARGETED EFFORTS OF GOING ON SITE AND SUPPORTING PEOPLE TO MOVE DIRECTLY INTO PERMANENT HOUSING WITH WRAPAROUND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.
SO WITH THE CITY'S NEW INVESTMENT IN OUR IN 16 FTE FOR TO BUILD OUT OUR COORDINATED OUTREACH TEAM, WE ARE ABLE TO BE WAY MORE TARGETED THIS YEAR. AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT STREET TO HOME RESPONSE SYSTEMATICALLY TO PUBLIC SPACES IN THE COMMUNITY.
THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED ARE REALLY CRITICAL.
FIRST IS THAT WE NEED TO WORK IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY TO REALLY ARCHIVE WHERE ALL THE ESTABLISHED ENCAMPMENTS ARE ACROSS DALLAS, AND TO SORT OF GO TO THOSE ENCAMPMENTS SYSTEMATICALLY AND TO CLOSE THOSE ENCAMPMENTS BY BRINGING REHOUSING ASSISTANCE AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CARE DIRECTLY ON SITE AT THOSE LOCATIONS. SO WE ARE COORDINATING WITH PARKLAND HOMES, WITH BAYLOR WITH NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY TO BRING STREET MEDICINE TEAMS, PEER SUPPORT SPECIALISTS, HOUSING NAVIGATORS, OUTREACH WORKERS ALL DIRECTLY ON SITE AT THESE THESE LOCATIONS TO SUPPORT WORKING WITH PEOPLE DAILY TO TAKE ALL THE STEPS THAT THEY NEED TO MOVE BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND I WILL SAY WITH THAT, ONE OF THE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE FULL CITY SUPPORT ON IS PART OF WHAT THE CITY DOES WELL ON THIS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WE WORK IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING THE AREAS AND THEN HANDING IT OFF TO THE OUTREACH TEAMS THAT REALLY DO THE INTENSIVE WORK OF HOUSING. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE HAVE MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAMS THAT MAKE SURE THE SITES STAY CLOSED.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING HEADED NOW IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR OFFICE OF INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT ON BOARD TO DO THIS IN A HUMANE, RESPONSIBLE WAY THAT KEEPS THE SITES CLOSED AS WE HOUSE PEOPLE.
BUT HAVING THIS WIDER, MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH, SIMILAR TO THE HOMELESS ACTION RESPONSE TEAMS THAT WE HAVE IS REALLY GOING TO HELP TURN THE TIDE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THIS IN A WAY THAT IS SUSTAINABLE AND ALSO WORKS WITH ALL OF OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS IN THE AREA.
BUT WITH THIS SORT OF INCIDENT COMMAND STRUCTURE, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AFTER A DISASTER WHERE WE BRING ALL NECESSARY PARTIES TO THE LOCATION AND SUPPORT MOVEMENT BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING WITH WRAPAROUND SUPPORT, IS NOW TAKING 4 TO 8 WEEKS.
WE CLEAR A SITE, AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE PACK UP THEIR THINGS AND THEY MOVE THREE BLOCKS DOWN OR TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY RESOLVING THE ENCAMPMENT.
SO WE ARE VERY, I THINK, FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE WE'RE ENDING HOMELESSNESS FOR THE PEOPLE AT THAT LOCATION SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY RESOLVE THE ENCAMPMENT AND THEN KEEP IT CLOSED.
IF YOU COULD GO UP, ACTUALLY, ONE MORE SLIDE.
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YES. THERE WE GO.IN OTHER EXCITING NEWS, WE WERE REALLY HONORED TO JOIN ALL OF YOU ON MAY 22ND TO CELEBRATE THE CITY AND THE COALITION'S JUST INCREDIBLE SUCCESS IN TACKLING VETERAN HOMELESSNESS.
AND IN MAY, THE UNITED STATES INTERAGENCY COUNCIL ANNOUNCED THAT WE HAD ACHIEVED THE DESIGNATION OF REACHING AN EFFECTIVE END TO VETERAN HOMELESSNESS. AND WE WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU ALL ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS AND SOME OF THE DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
BUT WHAT IT DOES MEAN IS THAT WE HAVE CREATED A STRONG AND A COORDINATED SYSTEM THAT IS ABLE TO IDENTIFY VETERANS WHO FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS AND TO QUICKLY SUPPORT VETERANS TO CONNECT TO SERVICES AND PERMANENT HOUSING.
AND SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DEFINED IN 2015 SOME DATA, BENCHMARKS AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT COMMUNITIES COULD WORK TOWARDS MEETING TO REALLY COMPEL ACTION AMONG LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND REACHING AN END TO VETERAN HOMELESSNESS.
AND THOSE BENCHMARKS ARE FIRST, WE HAD TO SHOW THAT ALL PEOPLE EXPERIENCING CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS AND LONG TERM HOMELESSNESS WERE HOUSED OR ON AN IMMEDIATE PATHWAY BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.
OUR COMMUNITY IS CURRENTLY DOING THAT WITHIN 80 DAYS.
AND WE ALSO HAD TO SHOW THAT MONTHS OF DATA TO SHOW THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EXITING BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING IS GREATER THAN THE NUMBER FLOWING IN FROM MONTH TO MONTH.
AND SO THOSE WERE THE METRICS THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND REALLY ARE THE METRICS THAT DEMONSTRATE THE HEALTH OF A HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM.
AND THAT ACHIEVEMENT IS REALLY THE RESULT OF JUST TRANSFORMATIVE, I THINK, COORDINATION AND PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN OUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM AND OUR VA PARTNERS, AS WELL AS A VERY STRONG COMMITMENT TO EXPAND REHOUSING ASSISTANCE FOR VETERANS AND TO PRIORITIZE VETERANS FOR EVERY RESOURCE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THOSE POLICY DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE AS A COMMUNITY ARE LONG STANDING AND WILL CONTINUE EVEN BEYOND RECEIVING THIS, THIS DECLARATION.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THIS IS THAT DATA VALIDATION PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE AND RIGOROUS AND TOOK ABOUT 10 TO 12 MONTHS.
NEXT SLIDE. AND LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT WE AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE, WE HAVE NOW RELEASED A COMMUNITY WIDE PERFORMANCE DASHBOARD.
SO INSTEAD OF BRINGING TO THE QUARTERLY REPORT DASHBOARD PULLS FROM JUST DALLAS REAL TIME, WE ARE NOW SHIFTING TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR PROGRESS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNT FOR PROGRESS IN ALL SYSTEM COMPONENTS, NOT JUST AMONG ONE INITIATIVE.
SO WE IN JUNE RELEASED A PERFORMANCE DASHBOARD THAT, AGAIN, WILL LOOK AT SOME CRITICAL MEASURES THAT FOLLOW HUD STANDARDS FOR HOW WE SHOULD BE MEASURING PERFORMANCE RELATED TO PEOPLE EXITING THE PERMANENT HOUSING.
WE WILL ALSO BE LOOKING AT THE LENGTH OF TIME YOU CAN GO TO THAT LINK TO LOOK AT THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT TAKES FOR SOMEONE TO MOVE BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE EXTENT TO WHICH PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN TO PERMANENT HOUSING AND RETURNING TO HOMELESSNESS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THAT NUMBER TO BE VERY LOW.
THIS IS PHASE ONE OF THAT DASHBOARD.
CHRISTINE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS? NO. JUST TO SAY THAT, YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME, THAT THINGS WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT, THAT THE DASHBOARD WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT, THAT THE TOOLS WOULD LOOK KIND OF 2.0 ISH AND THAT THE CITY WOULD REALLY BE SLIDING INTO THE PART THAT WE DO BEST, AS I'VE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IS IDENTIFICATION, CONNECTION TO SERVICES. AND TO THE LARGER OUTREACH TEAM AND ALSO THE ENCAMPMENT CLOSURE MAINTENANCE.
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SO VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REALLY STREAMLINING OUR EFFORTS TO DO WHAT WE ALL DO BEST, AND WE EXPECT TO SEE SOME VERY DRAMATIC RESULTS VERY SOON.AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, CHAIR.
THANK YOU CHRISTINE, I THINK HAVING DATA AND INFORMATION IS SO CRITICAL.
WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT PARTNERS THAT HAVE INFORMATION OUT THERE.
OUR DIFFERENT PROVIDERS 311 OR SEE SAY APP.
BUT I DON'T SEE IT ALL IN ONE SPACE.
I DON'T SEE DPD OVERLAPPING WITH HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT AREAS.
WITH THAT, WE'LL START WITH CHAIR WEST.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, AND THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE COMMITTEE.
IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING. I AGREE WITH THE CHAIR WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
AND AS A RESULT, IT'S AN EMERGENCY TO YOU.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE HAVE TO WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THE STRATEGY, LIKE, WHAT'S THE TAKEAWAY THAT THAT WE CAN TELL RESIDENTS LIKE THAT THIS THE SYSTEM IS WORKING, RIGHT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND WHEN I'M SAYING I WAS IN SUPPORT, DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS BY 50% BY 2026, I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC GOAL THAT WE CAN ALL GET BEHIND.
SO, SARAH, YOU SAID A QUOTE THAT I WROTE DOWN BECAUSE IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
AND AS I HOST MY FORWARD DALLAS MEETING TONIGHT IN DISTRICT ONE, ALONG WITH MY STATE OF HOUSING MEETING THIS IS GOING TO BE FRONT AND CENTER, ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION YOU SAID UNTIL WE SOLVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS WE CAN'T TURN OFF THE TAP OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE HOMELESSNESS SYSTEM.
HOW HOW DO THEY INTERSECT? WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR US TO ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS? SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH, INCLUDING SOME COMPREHENSIVE RESEARCH RECENTLY, THAT HAS CONSISTENTLY SHOWED THAT RATES OF HOMELESSNESS FOLLOW RATES OF HOUSING COSTS AT A COMMUNITY LEVEL.
SO ULTIMATELY, THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR HOUSING IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF HOMELESSNESS.
AND AS A HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM, WE'RE AN ANCILLARY SYSTEM, A REACTIVE SYSTEM THAT WILL NEVER HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO FULLY SOLVE THAT ON OUR OWN.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A RESPONSE SYSTEM THAT CAN ACCOUNT FOR THOSE SHORTFALLS AND SUPPORT PEOPLE TO IMMEDIATELY MOVE BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING AND TO KEEP UP PACE WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE OF THAT CRISIS THAT WE'RE SEEING.
I'M VERY EXCITED TO GET THAT GOING.
THAT WILL PROBABLY BE DATA THAT YOU CAN USE THEN TO TO BETTER PLAN IN THE FUTURE.
SO IF WE KNOW WHERE 20,000 UNITS SHORT OR 10,000 UNITS SHORT OF THIS AMI CATEGORY, IS THERE INFORMATION OUT THERE NATIONWIDE OR THROUGH BEST PRACTICES THAT WILL TELL YOU, OKAY, THE CITY IS DOWN THIS MUCH THIS THIS YEAR IN THIS CATEGORY I NEED TO PLAN FOR THIS BASED ON BEST BASED ON RELATED DATA.
YEAH. LAST WE LAST QUARTER, WE PRESENTED SOME DATA THAT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRIEF YOU INDIVIDUALLY OR THE, THE COMMITTEE ON IN MORE DETAIL THAT SHOWS THAT SYSTEM MODELING ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, TO LOOK AT THE EXTENT TO WHICH PEOPLE ARE FLOWING INTO THE SYSTEM AND THE NUMBER OF PARTICULARLY PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS THAT WE NEED TO CREATE AS A COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT AND TO REALLY TARGET PEOPLE EXPERIENCING LONG TERM HOMELESSNESS.
AND SO WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT THOSE NUMBERS.
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AND WE BASICALLY LOOK AT JUST THE SYSTEM DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE.I THINK THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DATA THOUGH IS REALLY HELPFUL FOR UNDERSTANDING AGAIN, LIKE WHAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE MOVING FORWARD IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT, THAT INFLOW INTO HOMELESSNESS.
ANY DATA THAT YOU HAVE THAT LINKS THE TWO OR STUDIES, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
AND YOU CAN JUST DATA DUMP IT TO ME.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHAIR IS INTERESTED IN A PRESENTATION OF THAT TYPE.
I WOULD LIKE THAT. BUT IF EITHER WAY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT.
HOW CAN WE, THE CITY, HELP YOU? AND OR HOUSING BOARD RAISE THE $30 MILLION THAT YOU NEED TO TO REACH YOUR GOALS? YEAH. SO THE THE $30 MILLION TO BREAK THAT DOWN, IT'S $10 MILLION OF FEDERAL FUNDING THAT WE'VE ALREADY SECURED.
AND AS WE'VE TALKED TO THE COMMITTEE BEFORE THAT'S US YOU KNOW, CALLING ON THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT ALSO ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS ACROSS DALLAS AND COLLIN COUNTY WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING DEDICATED HOMELESS DOLLARS.
SO I THINK THAT'S CHRISTINE DO YOU WANT TO TALK ANY MORE ABOUT THAT? NO, IT'S JUST IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO.
THE OTHER WAY THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL IS, YOU KNOW, UNDER KIM'S LEADERSHIP, WE'VE BEEN HAVING REALLY GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH OHS AND ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO BE COLLABORATORS WITH HOUSING FORWARD AND DDI AS WE BRING THAT STREET TO HOME RESPONSE TO PROBLEMATIC LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY IN A VERY TARGETED WAY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE HOUSE PEOPLE OUT OF THOSE SITES ONE BY ONE, THAT THE MINUTE WE'VE REHOUSED EVERYONE IN THAT SITE, THAT THAT SITE REMAINS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, IS NOT REPOPULATED WITH TENTS.
AND THEN WE SYSTEMATICALLY GO TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT LOCATION.
CHRISTINE, HOW MANY OUTREACH WORKERS IS THE CITY FUNDING? AS SARAH MENTIONED, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
AS SARAH MENTIONED, WE ARE HOUSING 16 FTES FOR THE WIDER SYSTEM.
IN TOTALITY, THAT'S ALL WE PAY.
AND THEN WITHIN THE HOMELESS SYSTEM, HOW MANY ARE THERE TOTAL OUTREACH WORKERS.
SO ON THE COORDINATED OUTREACH TEAM, WHICH IS WHAT THE 16 FTE IS CONTRIBUTED TO, THERE ARE I WOULD SAY I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 30, BUT I CAN GET THAT NUMBER TO YOU.
SO THAT WOULDN'T ACTUALLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS LAST SUMMER THAT WE HAD 75 OR 80 TOTAL.
WELL, SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD TAKE THAT QUESTION BACK TO THE COC AND REALLY QUANTIFY HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE DOING OUTREACH, INCLUDING ONES THAT ARE NOT RECEIVING FUNDING BUT ARE DOING IT ON THEIR OWN, LIKE IN OUR CALLING.
AND JUST SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY OUT THERE.
YEAH. AND OF COURSE, NOT EVERYBODY DOES IT EVERY DAY FULL TIME.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN EVEN PUT IT INTO THIS MANY FULL TIME PEOPLE.
ARE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE IN HMIS RIGHT NOW? I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO.
SO I CAN SAY THE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT'S IN DOWNTOWN KIND OF BOUNCES AROUND FROM PLACE TO PLACE, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS. AND SO FOR THE MOST PART, I WOULD ASSUME, AND THIS IS WITHOUT LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE ONE, THAT THEY ARE FOLKS THAT OHS WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DDI, THE LIBRARY, BRIDGE STREET OUTREACH METRO RELIEF, MULTIPLE OTHER STREET OUTREACH TEAMS DOWNTOWN HAVE GOTTEN INTO HMIS AND ARE WORKING ON GETTING HOUSED.
BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE THE CHRONIC.
WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY YOU HAVE ROUGHLY 100 PEOPLE WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE OF THIS BUILDING, AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN OUTREACH WORKER OUT THERE EVERY DAY EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY IS A SHAME ON US.
THERE'S PEOPLE SITTING IN OFFICES AND THEY ARE LITERALLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING.
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AND IT'S NOT NEW PEOPLE.I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL FIVE YEARS.
SOME OF THOSE ARE THE EXACT SAME PEOPLE EVERY DAY I DRIVE DOWNTOWN.
BUT IN TERMS OF BEING OUT THERE EVERY SINGLE HOUR OF THE DAY, NO, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT.
I AM PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF TAKING A TOUR OF THE PLAZA WITHOUT TEAMS, AND I HAVE DONE SO.
THANK YOU. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN HMIS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED HOMELESSNESS FOR MORE THAN A YEAR? IN HMIS, SO THE ESTIMATES THAT WE PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE LAST MEETING WERE THAT WE ESTIMATE THERE'S ABOUT 3000 PEOPLE CURRENTLY IN HMIS WHO HAVE BEEN HOMELESS FOR LONGER THAN A YEAR, WHO NEED A AN INTERVENTION.
SO I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.
WELL THAT'S FINE. CHAIR, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A BRIEFING JUST ON DATA FROM HMIS TO THIS COMMITTEE? YES, WE CAN DO THAT.
WELL, AND IS IT POSSIBLE YOU CAN SHARE WHAT DATA FIELDS YOU HAVE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO REPORT ON? COULD YOU GIVE THAT COMPLETE LIST SO THAT WE COULD PERHAPS ASK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW? THANK YOU WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ANSWER WITH THE DATA.
SO I CAN ALSO SUPPORT AND GUIDING WHICH OF THE DATA ELEMENTS MIGHT BE MOST EFFECTIVE AND HELPFUL.
AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE POINT IN TIME, COUNT HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT DO YOU THINK YOU HAD ALREADY CAPTURED IN HMIS? I DON'T. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO IN HMIS, IF YOU HAVE NOT, IF YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO'S UNSHELTERED AND YOU HAVEN'T SORT OF BEEN IN CONTACT WITH AN OUTREACH WORKER OR A SYSTEM INTERVENTION, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE CAPTURED IN HMIS, BUT YOU WILL BE CAPTURED IN THE POINT IN TIME COUNT.
SO ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE USE THAT TOOL IS IT'S REALLY THE ONLY TOOL THAT PROVIDES A PICTURE OF BOTH UNSHELTERED AND SHELTERED HOMELESSNESS AT A POINT IN TIME. THE HMIS CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OUTREACH WORKERS WHO ARE NOT USING HMIS.
AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T CONNECTED WITH AN OUTREACH WORKER WHO WOULDN'T BE CAPTURED IN THAT.
THE DASHBOARD THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, YOU'RE INTENDING TO JUST USE INFORMATION FROM HMIS.
AND YET YOU'VE SHARED THAT ONLY A SMALL PERCENT WELL, A PERCENTAGE OF THE HOMELESS ARE ACTUALLY IN HMIS, IS THAT CORRECT? A VERY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ARE IN HMIS, BUT IT IS LEAVING OUT SOMEONE WHO HASN'T TOUCHED THE SYSTEM, INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING UNSHELTERED, WHO MAY NOT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO AN OUTREACH WORKER OR HAVEN'T ACCESSED A SERVICE.
WELL, I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT IF THERE'S 80 OUTREACH WORKERS IN OUR CITY, HOW ARE WE NOT REACHING ALL OF THE PEOPLE? BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE OUTREACH WORKERS ARE NOT USING HMIS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE POINTING OUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SHIFTS THAT WE MADE AS A COMMUNITY LAST YEAR WITH THE COORDINATED OUTREACH TEAM THAT YOU ALL HAVE HELPED FILL OUT WITH THAT 16 FTE IS TO SAY, NOW WE ARE ALL WORKING ON THE SAME TEAM, AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SUPPORTING SOMEONE TO MOVE OFF THE STREET ARE THAT WE MUST USE HMIS.
WE MUST MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE AND ASSESS PEOPLE THROUGH HMIS.
GET PEOPLE ON THE HOUSING PRIORITIZATION LIST ENTER DATA AND DO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THAT PERSON IN A MORE COORDINATED AND SYSTEMATIC WAY. ARE YOU STILL CHARGING ORGANIZATIONS TO USE HMIS? NO, WE HAVEN'T CHARGED ORGANIZATIONS.
AND ARE YOU STILL REQUIRING TRAINING CERTIFICATION, THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO TRAININGS? YES, THERE IS DEFINITELY A TRAINING JUST TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY AND SECURITY MEASURES THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE BY HUD AND BY THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
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ARE YOU USING INFORMATION FROM 311 WHERE RESIDENTS ARE CALLING IN TO SHARE WHERE ENCAMPMENTS ARE? SO WE COORDINATE WITH THE CITY.I TALKED ABOUT THE STREET TO HOME RESPONSE, WHICH IS A THREE PRONGED STRATEGY.
THE FIRST PRONG IS PRIORITIZING AND SYSTEMATICALLY LOCATING ESTABLISHED ENCAMPMENTS TO GO AND TO SUPPORT PEOPLE IN THOSE LOCATIONS TO BE REHOUSED. AND SO 311 DATA IS A HELPFUL, I THINK, VARIABLE IN THE CITY'S CALCULATION OF WHERE ARE THOSE ENCAMPMENTS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, THAT ARE LARGE AND HAVE SOME OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE NEIGHBORS, SO WE CAN USE THAT INFORMATION TO PRIORITIZE LOCATIONS TO BRING THAT RESPONSE TOO.
AND ARE YOU USING EMS DATA WHERE THEY'VE GONE OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, NARCAN OR CHECKING ON SOMEBODY WHO'S UNRESPONSIVE? SO I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND THIS ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO THE REQUEST FOR A MORE COMPREHENSIVE DASHBOARD.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON TAKING OUR EXISTING EVERYDAY RESOURCES AND PARTNERING THEM.
AND SO THIS WAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THEM AND REACT TO THEM IN A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT WAY.
OKAY. DO YOU THINK THAT THE PROVIDERS BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN A DECREASE IN HOMELESSNESS? THE COALITION MEETS REGULARLY TO TALK ABOUT THE DATA AND TO TRACK OUR PROGRESS AGAINST OUR GOALS FOR REDUCING HOMELESSNESS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF CITIZENS RIGHT NOW WHO AS PEOPLE SEE VISIBLE HOMELESSNESS ON THEIR WAY TO WORK OR WHEN THEY GO DOWNTOWN TO GO SHOPPING. NOT EVERYONE'S BELIEVING THE PROGRESS BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL NEIGHBORS WHO ARE VERY VULNERABLE OUTSIDE WHO WE NEED TO GET OFF THE STREETS.
AND I KNOW I HAVE SAID THAT PUBLICLY.
IN THE FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I HAVE SEEN IT MYSELF IN MY OWN DISTRICT.
I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER DISTRICTS.
THE NUMBER OF OUTREACH CALLS I GET, EMAILS, MESSAGES.
IT'S NOT ALL FOR THE SAME LOCATION.
AT LEAST IN DISTRICT 12, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE SITE THAT I THINK HAS BEEN KEPT CLOSED.
IT'S THE SAME EXACT SITES FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE TIME NOW, AND IT'S THE SAME LOCATIONS.
AND IT'S IT'S TERRIBLE HOW PEOPLE ARE LIVING.
AND I THINK WE'RE FOOLING OURSELVES IF WE THINK THAT WE'RE DECREASING IT.
YES, WE HAVE DECREASED HOMELESSNESS OR NO, WE HAVEN'T.
AND LET THEM PUT IT IN A SECRET BALLOT BACK TO YOU AND SEE HOW MANY NO'S YOU GET, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOUR PROVIDERS BELIEVE THEY'VE DECREASED HOMELESSNESS EITHER FROM THE ONES I HAVE TALKED TO. SO WITH THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK STILL TO DO HERE, AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN OTHER WAYS TO VERIFY THE POINT IN TIME COUNT AND ASSESS DATA THAT IS OUTSIDE OF, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THAT WE CONTROL AND WE CAN ACCESS.
I'M, I'M SKEPTICAL OF OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE SEEING.
THANK YOU. ALONG THOSE SAME LINES.
AND I'M USING OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THIS MOST RECENT CASE I HAVE OVER IN MY DISTRICT THAT POPPED UP AND SHE'S A BIT OF AN ANOMALY IN A UNIQUE SITUATION, BUT I GUESS FOLLOWING HOW WE'VE BEEN PROGRESSING WITH HER, I GUESS THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IN TERMS OF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE OUR HOMELESS NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
HOW DO WE TRACK ONE WHEN THEY RETURN? WE ATTEMPTED TO SERVICE THEM AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY RETURNED.
CAN YOU I'M GOING TO STOP THERE AND JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT COUNT LOOK LIKE? DOES THAT COUNT? YOU KNOW, WE PICKED THEM UP.
YEAH. JUST EXPLAIN THAT PART FIRST.
JUST ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT [INAUDIBLE].
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WHEN WE HAVE SOMEONE LIKE THAT WHO WAS NEVER TRULY HOUSED BECAUSE THE, THE DIVERSION, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DIVERSION, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK, AND IT WASN'T THROUGH ONE OF THE SYSTEMS THAT WE TRACK AND THAT I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULDN'T REALLY CALL THAT DIVERSION IT WAS KIND OF AN OF THE MOMENT THING.BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT WHEN YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE FOLKS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OSH HAS STREET OUTREACH WORKERS, TOO, AND WE EVERYONE TALKS TO EVERYONE ELSE, ALL THE STREET OUTREACH WORKERS TALK.
PART OF IT IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY WITH THE SAME PEOPLE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT.
AND I KNOW I HEAR ALL THE TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, OHS HAS GOTTEN A LOT MORE AGGRESSIVE ON CLEANINGS AND ANY ENCAMPMENTS THAT ARE UNSAFE, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO A SCHOOL OR SOMETHING HAVE TO BE GONE WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT MORE AGGRESSIVE ON HOW WE TREAT THOSE, AND IT CREATES CONSTANT MOVEMENT TO SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, I HEAR, WELL, WE'RE GOING OUT TO, YOU KNOW, WORK ON A SITE AND, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, THEY'VE MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND I THINK WHY PEOPLE SEE AND SEE MORE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN WOODED AREAS, PLACES YOU DIDN'T SEE AND ARE NOW OUT IN PUBLIC QUITE, QUITE FREQUENTLY.
BUT, SARAH, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LARGER SYSTEM AND RECIDIVISM TRACKING? YEAH. YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE'S THREE MAIN MEASURES TO MEASURE THE HEALTH OF OUR SYSTEM.
AND IT'S AGREED NATIONALLY THAT THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT MEASURES.
ONE IS TO WHAT EXTENT ARE PEOPLE EXITING HOMELESSNESS? TWO IS WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TAKES FOR PEOPLE TO EXIT THE STREET BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING? AND THREE IS WHAT IS THE EXTENT WE'VE SUPPORTED PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO PERMANENT HOUSING, AND THEN THEY FALL OUT OF THAT HOUSING.
AND SO THOSE WE WOULD WE DEFINITELY MEASURE RETURNS.
SO IN WHAT INSTANCES HAVE WE SUPPORTED AN INDIVIDUAL OF THIS 11,128 PEOPLE HOUSED SINCE 2021, WHAT PERCENT OF THOSE HAVE MOVED IN TO PERMANENT HOUSING AND THEN FALLEN BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS? OKAY.
COUNCIL WOMAN WILLIS, THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR AGAIN QUANTIFYING HOW MANY ARE COMING IN ON TOP OF THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE AS WE GO INTO A BUDGET SEASON, AS NONPROFITS DO, AS OTHERS IN THIS COMMUNITY DO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS AS WE WEIGH WHAT OUR BASIC CITY SERVICES AND WHAT OUR NEEDS THAT SHOULD BE FUNDED THAT VERY MUCH PLUG INTO GETTING AROUND THIS, GETTING AHEAD OF THIS ISSUE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THANK YOU, DR.
WOODY, FOR ALLOWING OUR TEAM TO COME TO THE BRIDGE LUNCH AND LEARN.
THERE WERE SOME STATISTICS PRESENTED ABOUT WHAT TRIGGERS HOMELESSNESS.
35% LOSS OF JOB, 15% BILLS HIGHER THAN EARNINGS, YOU KNOW, ABUSE AT HOME 11%, INCARCERATION 11%. SO IT ROUNDS OUT THAT THAT GRAPH.
SKILLED WORKFORCE AND ECONOMIC MOBILITY, SO THAT 35% YOU CAN BOUNCE BACK FROM AND NOT END UP UNDER A BRIDGE, AND THEN COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND SERVICES LIKE MENTAL HEALTH, PHYSICAL HEALTH AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT CAN HELP SOMEONE WHO JUST MAY BE FRAIL IN MANY WAYS TO TO HELP THEM KEEP FROM FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS.
BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHERE SOMETHING YOU JUST TOUCHED ON.
AND AGAIN, IT'S THE TRACK RECORD OF HOW LONG DOES SOMEONE STAY HOUSED.
SO THE INITIAL NUMBERS ARE OKAY, 92%, THAT'S GREAT AFTER A YEAR.
AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT 11,128 HOUSING PLACEMENTS AND NEEDING TO UNDERSTAND THAT BACK END, WHERE WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED? AND IS THERE ANY KIND OF MODELING ON THIS ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RIGHT SERVICES IN PLACE AND FOLLOW UP, WHICH I THINK IS MONTHLY.
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YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD WE EXPECT AND BEGIN TO WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND? YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF THIS MAY BE ONLY 70% OF THESE ARE REALLY GOING TO STAY HOUSED SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THIS IN A LONGER TERM FASHION.AND AS PART OF THAT, WHAT THE BUDGET WOULD NEED TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
YEAH. SO I MEAN, OF THIS 11,128, I THINK MOST THE MOST RECENT RETURNS FROM THAT NUMBER IN 2021 IS AFTER 12 MONTHS, IT WAS 8%, 8% CAME BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS.
AND SO ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE PUT INTO OUR SYSTEM MODELING AND OUR SYSTEM ANALYSIS TO BRING TO THE COMMITTEE LAST QUARTER ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCE THAT WE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY TO EFFECTIVELY MEET THAT INFLOW FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
I WILL GOING TO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
YEAH. I WILL ALSO SAY WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS INITIATIVE BACK IN 2021, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE I BELIEVE WAS 95% SUCCESS RATE. AND NO, IT WAS I THINK IT WAS 90.
AND THEN WE SAID WE ACTUALLY BELIEVED IT WAS CLOSER TO 85% BECAUSE THERE WAS A 10%.
AND THEN THAT WAS UNSTABLY HOUSED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE I THINK IT WAS 85, WASN'T IT, FOR RAPID REHOUSING? YEAH. FOR FOR STAYING HOUSED.
SO JUST UNDERSTANDING THE ONE YEAR, TWO YEAR, THREE YEAR EXPECTATIONS AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO MEAN, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOLLARS GOING INTO THIS, I JUST WANT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU FOR DRILLING INTO THE $30 MILLION OF WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO REDUCE THE UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS DOWN TO 50% BY 2026 OR, I GUESS, IN 2026.
SO YOU ALSO TOUCHED ON OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND HELPING.
SO I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF A SCORECARD, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ON WHO'S HELPING US WITH THIS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD MEETINGS, I'M STILL GETTING FEEDBACK THAT SUGGESTS THAT THIS IS A DALLAS ISSUE AND DALLAS CAN HANDLE IT.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHINE A LIGHT ON WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM WHOM AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO ADDRESS RAISING THIS MONEY, BECAUSE FRANKLY, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO BY 2026.
HERE'S 2028, 2030 AND THE DOLLARS THAT WOULD GO WITH THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN PROVIDE THE MOST RECENT MAPPING.
I THINK THE MAPPING THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE DAP SIX MONTHS AGO WAS WE WERE UPDATING THE MOST RECENT MAPPING, BUT I CAN WE DEFINITELY TRACK THE INVESTMENTS FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND THERE ARE AT LEAST 12 OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE DEDICATED HOMELESS DOLLARS, WHETHER THEY'RE FUNDING OUTREACH, RAPID REHOUSING OR, YOU KNOW, CRISIS SERVICES THROUGH THE ESG PROGRAM, THE CDBG PROGRAM, THE HOME PROGRAM, OR THROUGH THEIR GENERAL REVENUE SOURCES. AND SO OBVIOUSLY, DALLAS AND THE COUNTY, DALLAS CITY AND COUNTY ARE CONTRIBUTING THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF FUNDING.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 80% OF THE HOMELESSNESS IS ALSO IN THE CITY.
SO WE CAN PROVIDE I THINK THE BREAKDOWN, THOUGH, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HELPFUL, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH JURISDICTIONS NOT JUST ON CONTRIBUTING, BUT I THINK CONTRIBUTING IN A COORDINATED WAY SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE BRING RESOURCES FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES TOGETHER IN ALIGNMENT TO REALLY EXPAND.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WAS SHOWN TO BE SO SUCCESSFUL UNDER REAL TIME IS WE WERE ABLE TO GET MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS TO ALL INVEST IN THE SAME THING, WHICH WAS MATCHED BY PRIVATE INVESTMENT. AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE THAT CONTINUE.
WELL, HAVING THE RESOURCES HERE IS A BLESSING AND A CURSE.
SO THIS MAKES DALLAS A MAGNET.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST TO SHOW OUR RESIDENTS AND RESIDENTS OF SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES WHO BORDER US WHERE THEIR WHERE THEIR MUNICIPALITY STANDS AS FAR AS HELPING WITH THE OVERALL SITUATION.
HOWEVER, IT HAS TO BE ACCURATE AND IT HAS TO BE CURRENT.
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AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO A COMPREHENSIVE DASHBOARD THAT WILL BE ROBUST, THAT WILL HAVE INFORMATION FROM NOT ONLY PROVIDERS, BUT AS WELL AS RESIDENTS.THROUGH THOSE 311 CALLS THROUGH THAT SEE SAY APP THROUGH OUR DEEP ELLUM FOUNDATION.
AND ALL THOSE ARE INDEPENDENT AND THEY'RE NOT.
OF COURSE, WE'RE COMMUNICATING VERBALLY WITH EACH OTHER, BUT WE'RE THAT DATA I DON'T SEE IT COMPILED, AND PERHAPS IT MIGHT BE BEST TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE PARTY LOOK AT THAT. MAYBE A UNIVERSITY, MAYBE LOOKING AT SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP VERIFY THE INFORMATION THAT IS OUT THERE.
AS WE CONTINUE THESE DASHBOARDS DISCUSSIONS I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PREPARING THAT DASHBOARD.
I WILL ALSO SAY THE CORPORATION FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHICH IS AN OUTSIDE AGENCY HAS WORKED WITH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE AND DALLAS AND CONTINUES TO WORK WITH THEM. AND HAS VERIFIED A LOT OF THE INFORMATION, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT MORE WAYS TO GET THAT.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THAT.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SUFFERING THROUGH HOUSING LOSS OR JOB LOSS, BUT THERE'S ALSO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS WHO RIGHT OUT REFUSE SERVICES, PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT OUT, WHO ARE SLEEPING RIGHT OUTSIDE THE CITY HALL AND OUR LIBRARY.
AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS, YEARS UPON YEARS.
AND I DO SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE DO SEE DDI OUT THERE INTERACTING WITH INDIVIDUALS.
AND SO I'M HEARING THAT THAT'S THE AVERAGE IS THREE INTERACTIONS PER INDIVIDUAL.
IS THAT IS THAT ACCURATE? I THINK I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE'RE BRINGING WE'RE PUTTING THE WHOLE PACKAGE TOGETHER.
SO WHAT STREET DAY HOME DOES IS IT PUTS THE WHOLE PACKAGE OF REHOUSING ASSISTANCE.
AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CARE TOGETHER AND BRINGS IT ON SITE AT A LOCATION.
AND SO IT'S LESS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF INTERACTIONS, BUT IT'S MORE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE EVERY DAY FOR 4 TO 8 WEEKS UNTIL EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT THIS SITE MOVES BACK INTO PERMANENT HOUSING WITH RENTAL SUBSIDY AND WRAPAROUND CARE THAT FOLLOWS THEM BACK INTO THEIR PERMANENT HOUSING.
WE'RE GOING TO HOUSE EVERYBODY AT THIS SITE IN 4 TO 8 WEEKS, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A DAILY INTERACTION DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE ACTIVATING ALL THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT SOMEONE TO MOVE BACK IN, WHICH MEANS HELPING THEM GET AN IDENTIFICATION SO THEY CAN APPLY TO A HOUSING UNIT.
I HAVE A CENTRALIZED LANDLORD ENGAGEMENT TEAM OR HOUSING FORWARD IN THE COALITION DOES THAT IS BRINGING IN OVER 130 VACANT UNITS A MONTH TO SUPPORT PEOPLE TO CHOOSE A UNIT THAT BEST MEETS THEIR NEEDS.
WE ARE HAVE SUPPORT FROM BOTH HOUSING AUTHORITIES TO EXPEDITE VOUCHER LEASE UP PROCESSES.
SO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TOGETHER TO SUPPORT SOMEONE TO MOVE INTO HOUSING, HAVE TO BE ACTIVATED AND ACTIVATED SYSTEMATICALLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND DDI AND OUR OTHER INCREDIBLE ALL NEIGHBORS, COALITION PARTNERS.
SARAH, ARE YOU SEEING IN OTHER CITIES ANY WORK ON RESIDENCY RESIDENCY CHECKS WHERE THERE'S INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE TO HAVE BEEN IN THAT CITY FOR SIX MONTHS, A YEAR BEFORE SERVICES START ROLLING IN.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, BUT I GUESS JUST TO LEVEL SET A LITTLE BIT, ALL OF THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE SEEN ABOUT MIGRATION FROM CITY TO CITY HAS SHOWED THAT, IN FACT, THERE'S A RESEARCH OUT OF CALIFORNIA, THERE'S RESEARCH OUT OF KING COUNTY.
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CITIES, WHAT I THINK BOTH THE CALIFORNIA AND THE KING COUNTY STUDY SHOWED IS THAT 85 TO 90% OF THE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN THAT JURISDICTION ACTUALLY BECAME HOMELESS IN THAT JURISDICTION.AND SO I THINK OFTEN IT FEELS LIKE PEOPLE ARE MOVING FROM CITY TO CITY.
BUT IN FACT, THE LESSONS THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES IS THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE CASE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK, I THINK SOME COMMUNITIES MAY HAVE GONE IN THINKING THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE EVIDENCE JUST ISN'T THERE THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY HAPPENING.
OKAY. CHRISTINE, YOU MENTIONED SCHOOLS, PARKS AS BEING PRIORITIES.
WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN A SCHOOL AND A PARK WHERE IT'S CONSIDERED A PRIORITY? THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC DISTANCE.
FOR OUR TEAMS IT IS CONFIRMED WEAPONS, WEAPONS DISCHARGE, CONFIRMED DRUG ACTIVITY.
THOSE ARE SOME ITEMS. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PARKS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A CRIME TO BE THERE DURING THE DAY.
BUT WE DO WORK WITH PARKS AND THE PARK RANGERS AND OUR OWN STAFF QUITE CONSTANTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ISSUES AT NIGHT, THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN THE PARKS, AND THEN IF SOMEONE IS THERE DURING THE DAY AND IS A RISK, THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE AS WELL.
BUT WHEN I SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF CITY HALL WHO ARE NOT IN THE SYSTEM, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T CAN COMPREHEND HOW WE CAN VISIBLY SEE SOMEONE WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANYBODY IN DANGER OF GOING INTO THE WOODS, AND YET WE'RE NOT GATHERING THAT INFORMATION.
I JUST SO AND THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
AND AS I SAID, I BELIEVE I ANSWERED ANOTHER QUESTION.
MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN THE SYSTEM.
MOST OF THE FOLKS IN THIS AREA ARE, BUT THEY ARE ALSO CHRONICALLY HOMELESS BECAUSE THE MOTIVATION TO SEEK SERVICES IN A SHELTER IS NOT THERE WHEN YOU CAN BE REGULARLY FED AT EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY DOWNTOWN BY STREET FEEDERS COMING OUTSIDE FROM DALLAS TO HELP PEOPLE WHO COULD GET WELL BALANCED MEALS, SHOWERS, CLOTHES THAT FIT THEM, EVERYTHING THEY NEED IN ONE OF THE NEARBY SERVICES.
BUT INSTEAD IT'S MUCH EASIER TO STAY ON THE STREET AND HAVE YOUR IMMEDIATE NEED MET.
AND I MEAN, I CAN SAY THAT FROM FIRSTHAND DATA, WE'VE HAD PROJECTS THAT WORK WITH THE LIBRARY WITH DDI THAT WENT OUT AT 5:30 IN THE MORNING WITH COFFEE TO FORGE RELATIONSHIPS AND GET PEOPLE HOUSED, YOU KNOW, FOR MONTHS ON END.
WE'VE DONE IT AT 8:00 AT NIGHT.
AND I KNOW YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN TRYING TO DETER SOME OF THE STREET FEEDING THAT'S GOING OUT AND CHARITY GIVING, BUT I THINK THAT'S MY POINT, IS THAT NOT EVERYONE WHO IS HOMELESS IS HOMELESS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A HOME OR BECAUSE THEY'VE LOST JOBS.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING THIS HOLISTICALLY WITH ALL THOSE WRAPAROUND SERVICES THAT THAT ARE OUT THERE WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE NEEDS AND TACKLE THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT NEEDS A ROUND TWO ON THIS? OKAY. SEEING NONE.
JO GUIDICE, DIRECTOR OF LIBRARIES, WITH ME TODAY IS SHANNON ADAMS, MY ADULT ENGAGEMENT ADMINISTRATOR WHO OVERSEES OUR STAFF THAT ARE ENGAGING WITH OUR OUR FOLKS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
WHAT ARE THE EXPECTATIONS FOR US AND SOME OPERATIONAL DATA AND WHO WE PARTNER WITH? NEXT SLIDE. OH, WELL, MAYBE GO BACK ONE.
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WELL, THERE IS A SLIDE WITH THE LIBRARY'S VISION AND MISSION THAT I DON'T SEE HERE, BUT WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.I WILL REMIND YOU THAT OUR MISSION IS TO STRENGTHEN COMMUNITIES AND BUILD EQUITY BY CONNECTING PEOPLE, INSPIRING CURIOSITY, AND ADVANCING LIVES.
AND OUR VISION IS LIMITLESS POSSIBILITIES.
SO THE BACKGROUND OF OUR PROGRAM OR OUR ENGAGEMENT STARTED WAY BACK IN 2013 JUST SIMPLY BEING THAT OUR BUILDING IS OPEN TO EVERYONE, WE NOTICED AN ISSUE.
I WILL TELL YOU QUICKLY THAT WHEN WE STARTED TO ENGAGE THIS POPULATION, I MADE THE AWFUL ASSUMPTION OF JUST ENGAGING A GED PROGRAM, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD AND GET EVERYONE JOBS.
AND WE STARTED TALKING TO THE FOLKS WHO WERE QUEUING UP OUTSIDE THE LIBRARY.
THE FIRST PERSON I TALKED TO HAD A MASTER'S DEGREE AND OFFERED TO TEACH THE PROGRAM FOR ME.
SO IT WAS A VERY QUICK LEARNING CURVE FOR ME.
BUT OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO, WE'VE ENGAGED WITH OUR OTHER LARGE URBAN PUBLIC LIBRARIES TO REALLY GET A HANDLE ON THE LIBRARY'S ROLE IN THIS.
THE LIBRARY'S CORE SERVICE IS INFORMATION AND REFERRAL, BUT THERE WERE ALSO A PLACE TO GET COOL IN THE SUMMER, WARM UP IN THE WINTER AND GET WATER.
THIS HEART IN THIS PICTURE IS VERY MY VERY FAVORITE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE CRAFTS THAT WE DO WITH OUR FOLKS.
BUT IF YOU CAN READ IT IS THE LIBRARY IS A PLACE WHERE I GO IN BETWEEN ROUNDS.
SO THAT I THINK SAYS IT ALL FOR US.
WE STARTED OUR COFFEE AND CONVERSATION PROGRAM.
WE ASKED FOR THE FIRST TIME OF THIS PARTICULAR COHORT THAT ENTERS OUR BUILDING.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR TIME IN THE LIBRARY? THIS MORPHED INTO OUR PLANNING PROGRAMS. IT ALSO INCLUDED STAFF TO GET TO KNOW THE CUSTOMERS.
WE HAD A FEW MISSTEPS ALONG THE WAY WITH THAT POSITION.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OFFERING SOCIAL SERVICES IN THE LIBRARY, WE'RE A CONNECTOR TO SERVICES.
OUT OF THAT CAME OUR STREET VIEW PODCAST, WHICH IS NOW IN HIATUS.
THEY WERE TELLING THEIR STORIES, AND IT WAS QUITE INFLUENTIAL.
OTHER LIBRARIES ARE DOING IT AS WELL, AND IT WAS JUST A WAY TO AMPLIFY THE STORIES, TO DEMYSTIFY THE PROCESS OF HOMELESSNESS AS COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS WAS TALKING ABOUT JUST A MINUTE AGO, HOW DID YOU GET HERE? WHAT IS YOUR STORY? AND THAT THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS? THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO I'M THINKING THE NEWEST SLIDE DECK DIDN'T GET TO YOU ALL, SO MAKE SURE YOU GET IT.
THERE IS A LIBRARY THE SLIDE MISSING WITH THE CODE OF CONDUCT FOR THE LIBRARY.
SO WE DO HAVE A VERY RIGOROUS CODE OF CONDUCT THAT WE DO HOLD OUR ALL CUSTOMERS TO.
SO OUR CODE OF CONDUCT REALLY JUST HAS FOUR PILLARS RESPECT CUSTOMERS AND STAFF.
AND WE'VE BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS CODE OF CONDUCT.
WE HAVE OUR OWN SUSPENSION SYSTEM WHERE FOLKS CAN BE SUSPENDED BASED ON THE AGGRESSION THAT THEY SHOW AND OUR OWN APPEAL PROCESS, WHICH TOOK US OUT OF THE REALM OF CALLING THE POLICE AND TRYING TO CRIMINALLY TRESPASS FOLKS WHO MAYBE WERE JUST HAVING A BAD DAY.
BUT OUR MAIN FOCUS IS REFERRAL AND CONNECTIONS.
THIS WAS A MURAL CREATED BY ICON STUDIOS IN 2015 FOR US TO INSPIRE ENGAGEMENT AND DIALOG, AND EMBRACING DIVERSITY IN AN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS. HERE WE HAVE OUR COFFEE AND CONVERSATION PROGRAM.
WE HAVE GUESTS IN FROM METRO CARE.
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CUSTOMERS TO ENGAGE WITH FOLKS WHO ARE IN OUR BUILDING.WE ARE ALL ABOUT REFERRALS, SO OUR HELP DESKS MAIN GOAL IS GIVING FOLKS INFORMATION, CONNECTING THEM TO THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
THE OHS OUTREACH TEAM, DDIS HOMELESS TEAM, BRIDGE OUTREACH OR IN OUR BUILDING ON A DAILY BASIS, CHECKING IN WITH STAFF AND CUSTOMERS ROAMING OUR HALLS.
AND WE WORK WITH FOLKS TO GAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP SO THAT THEY WILL TALK TO OUR PARTNERS.
AND THEN WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TRAINING OUR STAFF TO DO THIS AS WELL.
WHICH IS WHAT WE DO IN OUR ENGAGEMENT.
SO OUR PROGRAMS ARE BASED ON WHAT OUR CUSTOMERS SAY THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM US.
IF WE CAN TAKE SOMEONE'S HAND AND INTRODUCE THEM TO THE NEXT PROVIDER PERSONALLY, THEN THAT TRUST IS BUILT AND THEY KNOW THEY HAVE US TO COME BACK TO IF THEY RUN INTO ANY SNAGS.
WE REGULARLY HAVE PUZZLES OUT IN OUR PUBLIC SPACES.
WE ENCOURAGE WRITING POETRY AND DOING ART.
LOG ON TO WHEREVER YOU LISTEN TO PODCASTS AND, AND TAKE A LISTEN.
BUT WE ARE ALL WORKING TOWARDS THAT COMMON GOAL OF ENDING HOMELESSNESS.
AND FOR US, IT'S THROUGH OUR PARTNERING WITH OHS AND TARGETING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOSTING MEETINGS, GETTING THE WORD OUT AND RECRUITING VOLUNTEERS TO HELP IN THE EFFORT.
THE ONE PIECE THAT IS MISSING FROM THIS SLIDE IS OUR HELP DESK ASSISTANCE.
SO IN THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE ASSISTED 1300 CUSTOMERS WITH SMOOTH REFERRALS OFF TO OUR PARTNERS.
THIS IS THE SHORT LIST OF PARTNERS.
YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS MANY, MANY TIMES.
THE LIBRARY IS SUCCESSFUL THROUGH OUR COLLABORATION WITH OUR PARTNERS.
WE COULDN'T DO ANY OF THIS WITHOUT THEM.
THE PHOTOS YOU SEE ARE THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE CENTRAL LIBRARY, WHERE THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT HELPED US UPDATE THE SPACE SO THAT WE COULD BE AN ASSIST IN A TEMPORARY SHELTER SITUATION WHEN WE'RE NEEDED, WHERE WE CAN MOVE THE SHELVING OUT OF THE WAY AND QUICKLY CONVERT INTO A SHELTER WHEN NECESSARY.
THIS PAST WINTER, IT WAS NOT NECESSARY.
SO WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR CREATING THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
WE CONTINUE OUR COMMUNICATION WE MEET REGULARLY, WE'RE DEVELOPING LIBRARY STAFF TRAINING AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE WHAT WE DO BEST, WHICH IS PROVIDE INFORMATION AND CONNECTIONS TO OUR PARTNERS, OFFERING A LITTLE RESPITE FROM A CRUEL WORLD FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND WE'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.
WE'LL START TO OUR LEFT THIS TIME.
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COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.SO A LONG TIME AGO, I WAS ON THE HOMELESS COMMISSION, AND YOU CAME AND DID A PRESENTATION.
AND THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU IS, IF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF TO BE A HOMELESS PROVIDER, AND YOU TOOK A BIG GULP OF AIR AND YOU WAITED A LONG TIME BEFORE YOU ANSWER, AND THEN YOU SAID, NO, I DON'T.
AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY TODAY.
YOU JUST OUTLINED A LOT OF PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.
EVERY PROGRAM THAT WE OFFER IN THE LIBRARY IS OPEN TO EVERYONE.
WE ASK EVERYONE WHAT THEY WANT FROM US AT EVERY SINGLE BRANCH LOCATION.
WE HAVE A COMMUNITY TRACKING SHEET.
WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN THE BUILDING AND SAYS, I WISH YOU DID X, Y, Z.
SO I DON'T THINK I'M A HOMELESS PROVIDER.
DO I THINK THERE ARE LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE MORE OF THAT COHORT THAT WE'RE ENGAGING? CERTAINLY. BUT I THINK WE'RE REALLY THAT, I HATE TO SAY THE BRIDGE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE BRIDGE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE ARE A BRIDGE TO OTHER THINGS.
DO YOU THINK BY SERVING SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS DOWNTOWN THAT IT HAS CAUSED HOUSED RESIDENTS TO NOT UTILIZE YOUR SERVICES? ABSOLUTELY. YES.
OUR CODE OF CONDUCT HAS CERTAINLY HELPED THAT OUR INCIDENT RATES HAVE GONE DOWN.
AND WE HAVE MADE SOME INTERNAL CHANGES TO HELP THAT ALONG SO.
WELL I DO THINK THAT YOU ARE EXTREMELY WELCOMING, AND I KNOW YOU PERSONALLY TO KNOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE LIBRARY AND YOU SHOW THEM INCREDIBLE KINDNESS. AND I WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I ADMIRE THAT.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND TO YOU AND TO ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE VERY NECESSARY, BUT DEFINITELY OVER AND ABOVE.
AND BEING ON THE FRIENDS BOARD, I REMEMBER BACK IN 2013 WHEN WE WERE ALL KIND OF GRAPPLING WITH WHAT DO WE DO AND HAVING AMERICORPS COME IN AND WORK ON A PROJECT, AND DO WE DO THIS OR DO WE NOT DO THIS? WELL, IT'S THE REALITY, YOU KNOW SO WE WE DID.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF.
SO WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING MAY HELP MOVE THAT PERSON TO A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO BEING HOUSED.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU CHAIR I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
AND AND IT'S, IT'S THE TO MISS WILLIS'S POINT AND OTHERS IT'S, IT'S ABOUT BUILDING TRUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T EVENTUALLY GET THEM INTO HOUSING IF, IF, IF THERE'S NO TRUST LEVEL.
I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING JO, YOUR PERSONAL STORY ABOUT YOUR MISCONCEPTION.
IT'S A REAL THING IF FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE NEVER TALKED TO A PERSON WHO'S EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
WHEN WE OPENED THE INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER, I HADN'T REALLY INTERACTED WITH WITH HOMELESS PERSONS FOR MORE THAN JUST A COUPLE SECONDS PREVIOUSLY, AND I SPENT A COUPLE OF DAYS DOWN THERE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER TALKING TO FOLKS.
THAT WAS MY MISCONCEPTIONS COMING IN, AND I WAS WRONG ON BOTH.
SO IT'S SUCH A SPECTRUM OF PEOPLE FROM THE CHRONIC HOMELESS DOWN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST LITERALLY EXPERIENCING IT FOR A DAY OR TWO. AND IT STILL COUNTS AS HOMELESS.
AND SO THE MISCONCEPTIONS ARE REAL.
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SITUATIONS, LIKE GO TALK TO THEM, COME TO ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THE CITY HOSTS OR THE LIBRARY.THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, JO, FOR THE PRESENTATION.
MY FAMILY AND I HAVE A YOUNG DAUGHTER, AND WE USE OUR LIBRARY SERVICES IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE DON'T GO DOWNTOWN. AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME GREAT RESOURCES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN OUR EVERYDAY LIBRARIES.
THIS IS OUR THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIBRARY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWNTOWN.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT DOWNTOWN HAS GROWN.
WE KNOW IT OPENED 30 YEARS AGO OR SO.
BUT WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE, AND NOW WE HAVE OVER 15,000 RESIDENTS WHO DO CALL DOWNTOWN HOME.
AND WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN IN ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO WHILE I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME GREAT THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF THOSE SERVICES THAT YOU ALL OFFER, I WANT TO MAKE A CLEAR DISTINCTION, THOUGH, THAT THE CENTRAL LIBRARY, WE HAVE STAFF THAT WENT THERE FOR LIBRARY SCIENCES AND WHO I NOW FEEL ARE DOING A DIFFERENT ROLE THAT THEY WERE NOT INTENDED TO DO.
SO SO I'M GOING TO START WITH HOW DID THE [INAUDIBLE] PROGRAM START? AND WHEN DID IT BEGIN? WELL, IT BEGAN IN 2013, REALLY IN 2012 IS WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT.
AND THAT'S WHEN I BECAME DOWNTOWN WAS WHEN I BECAME DOWNTOWN.
I WAS IN IN CHILDREN'S SERVICES, SO I WASN'T AS EXPOSED TO IT UNTIL I MOVED DOWNTOWN IN MY ROLE WITH THE LIBRARY WAS AS I WAS WORKING MY WAY UP AND NOTICED ALL THE PEOPLE STANDING OUTSIDE AND WE WERE WE WEREN'T ENGAGING WITH THIS POPULATION, AND WE WERE HAVING LOTS OF STRIFE INTERNALLY, TOO.
THERE WERE LOTS OF INCIDENTS HAPPENING IN OUR, OUR BUILDINGS.
WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS IN OUR BUILDING.
SO IT WAS THAT FIRST STEP WAS JUST TO GET TO KNOW WHO WAS IN OUR BUILDING.
AND THEN TRY AND CREATE A SPACE WHERE EVERYONE COULD BE COMFORTABLE.
WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF INCIDENTS IN OUR BATHROOMS. WE WERE HAVING A LOT OF INCIDENTS IN OUR STAIRWELLS.
WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE MADE SOME PHYSICAL ADJUSTMENTS.
BETTER LIGHTING IN THE STAIRWELLS, ART IN THE STAIRWELLS.
SO YOU KNOW THAT ILLUSION OF PRIVACY AND NO ONE'S WATCHING YOU REALLY TOOK AWAY A LOT OF THE INTERNAL INCIDENTS WE WERE HAVING, HAVING WE THE CLEANED UP.
AND IT WAS FACT WE DID IT AND WE HAVEN'T HAD AS MANY PROBLEMS IN OUR RESTROOMS EITHER.
SO IT WAS A TURNING POINT TO SORT OF MAKE THE BUILDING MORE WELCOMING FOR EVERYONE.
AND WITH THAT YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE RESTROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE LOOK, A LITTLE ROUGH.
AND I KNOW THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE ADDRESSED SOON, SOON, SOON.
CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE TRAINING THAT LIBRARY STAFF THAT LIBRARIANS GO UNDERGOING TO SUPPORT HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS AND ANY TRAINING THAT GOES WITH WITH THAT? ABSOLUTELY. WE SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON OUR TRAINING, AND THIS IS LIBRARY LAND WIDE N OW, SINCE THIS SORT OF EVOLVED AROUND 2015, THERE'S ACTUALLY TRAINING FOR LIBRARIANS AND LIBRARY SCHOOL AND AT OUR NATIONAL CONFERENCES, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST EXPERIENCING THIS IN URBAN CENTRAL LIBRARIES NOW, BUT WE'RE ALSO EXPERIENCING THIS IN BRANCHES AROUND THE NATION.
BUT WE DO DE-ESCALATION TRAINING IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE THE STAFF ACTUALLY TEACH IT.
POLICE DEPARTMENT HELPS US WITH IT.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE ONE THAT IS ROOTED IN WORKING WITH OUR HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.
AND RYAN DOWD IS THE TRAINING ON THAT WHICH WE SUBSCRIBE TO.
AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
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AND THAT'S HOW OUR TRAINED.THAT'S HOW OUR OUR STAFF HAVE BECOME COMFORTABLE.
YOU HAVE TO PRACTICE SOMETHING.
CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE WORK THAT IS JOINTLY BEING DONE WITH OHS AND DDI? OH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE GIVE THEM SPACE IN OUR BUILDING, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE THE PARTNERSHIP LIVES.
WE GIVE THEM A HOME IN OUR BUILDING SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THEIR WORK.
AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT.
AND CURRENTLY, WHAT IS THE BUDGET SET ASIDE FOR THESE SERVICES? THROUGH THE LIBRARY'S BUDGET WE HAVE THREE POSITIONS DEDICATED TO IT.
AND I CAN GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS.
OKAY. AND COULD THOSE IF THOSE SERVICES WEREN'T OFFERED THERE, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE EXTENDED HOURS AT OUR LIBRARY BRANCHES THROUGHOUT THE CITY? NO. AND THOSE POSITIONS DON'T JUST WORK OUT OF THE CENTRAL LIBRARY, THEY GO TO BRANCHES AS WELL.
OKAY. WHEN IT COMES TO THE CODE OF CONDUCT, CAN YOU MAYBE TELL ME HOW MANY CTAS YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ON FILE? I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE PROBABLY HALF OF OUR LOCATIONS HAVE CRIMINAL TRESPASS AFFIDAVITS ON THE BUILDINGS. WE HAVE SOME HOT SPOTS, WHICH ARE THE BACHMAN LAKE BRANCH, VICKERY PARK, OAK LAWN WHERE THEY ARE HAVING SIMILAR DIFFICULTIES THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN.
HOW MANY INSTANCES HAS THAT OCCURRED? SO I CAN GET YOU A FULL REPORT ON THE SUSPENSIONS THAT WE DO.
THEY RANGE FROM HALF A DAY, ONE DAY TO THREE YEARS DEPENDING ON THE ACTIVITY THAT'S TAKING PLACE.
WHEN WE DO A SUSPENSION FOR THREE YEARS, THAT'S USUALLY SOMETHING VERY EGREGIOUS AND IS ALSO FOLLOWED WITH A CRIMINAL TRESPASS WARNING AS WELL. OKAY.
ANOTHER ONE ON HERE IS SLEEPING.
THAT OR MISUSE OF FURNITURE EQUIPMENT.
AND SO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? SO WE ARE A FAIRLY EMPATHETIC GROUP.
AND WE KNOW THAT YOU CAN DOZE OFF WHEN THE CONDITIONS ARE RIGHT.
SO IF YOU'VE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT OR AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY BECAUSE I HAVE COLLEGE STUDENTS THAT FALL ASLEEP IN THE LIBRARY AS WELL. SO EVERYONE HAS TO BE TREATED THE SAME.
SO BASICALLY WE GO UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND ASK THEM IF THEY'RE OKAY.
WE DO WHAT WE CALL A WELLNESS CHECK.
WE OFFER THEM GET UP, GET UP, START WALK AROUND.
WE GIVE THEM A BOTTLE OF WATER.
IF THEY ARE NOT CAUSING A DISTURBANCE.
AND TO US, A DISTURBANCE IS LOUD NOISE.
WE DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIE DOWN ON THE FLOOR.
THEY MUST BE SEATED IN A CHAIR.
BUT IF THEY'RE NOT CAUSING A DISTURBANCE, WE MIGHT GIVE THEM A LITTLE GRACE FOR A WHILE.
AND GENERALLY THAT HAS WORKED WELL FOR US BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO ESCALATE INTO A SITUATION.
OKAY. I KNOW THAT SENIOR CITIZENS READING A PAPER THAT FALL ASLEEP TOO.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN TO CONTINUE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS ON WHAT LIBRARIES LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. AND I KNOW YOU'RE DOING THAT CURRENTLY AS WELL.
BUT ARE THEY BRAND SPECIFIC OR ARE THEY GLOBALLY THROUGH ALL ACROSS OUR LIBRARIES? GLOBALLY, THROUGHOUT THE LIBRARY.
OKAY. AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILIES AND OUR DOWNTOWN LIBRARIES, WHAT'S THE MESSAGE? WHAT ARE WE WHAT ARE WE GETTING? WELL, THE MESSAGE IS FOR FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY WITH SMALL CHILDREN.
OUR SECOND FLOOR IS WHERE WE HAVE OUR CHILDREN'S AREA AND IT'S REALLY CONTROLLED.
IF THE BATHROOMS ARE LOCKED, THEY'RE ONLY FOR FAMILIES.
AND IF YOU MR. MORENO, IF YOU WALK ON THE FLOOR AND YOU COME IN WITHOUT A CHILD, THE STAFF ARE GOING TO COME UP AND SAY, WELCOME TO THE CHILDREN YOUTH DISCOVERY CENTER.
HOW CAN WE HELP YOU TODAY? IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A BOOK, THEY'LL HELP YOU FIND THE BOOK AND THEN THEY'LL TELL YOU YOU CAN'T READ ON THIS FLOOR.
IF MISS WILLIS CAME UP TO THE FLOOR, THEY DO THE SAME THING TO HER.
ANY ADULT THAT ENTERS THAT SPACE WITHOUT THE ACCOMPANIMENT OF A CHILD IS WELCOMED.
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AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TOLD THAT THEY CAN'T LINGER HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A FAMILY AND CHILDREN'S FLOOR.SO IT'S VERY SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S VERY ACTIVE.
THERE WERE A LOT OF KIDS PLAYING ON THAT FLOOR.
SO I THINK FOR US IT'S GETTING THE WORD OUT THAT IT IS A SAFE SPACE.
AND THAT IS PROBABLY OUR MOST CONTROLLED FLOOR OF ANY FLOOR IN THE CENTRAL LIBRARY.
OKAY. YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SEND SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OVER TO YOU.
OKAY. BUT FOR ELENA, MY MY WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY MESSAGE GETS ACROSS AND CLEAR IS, I KNOW THAT I HAVE A A PLANNED TRIP WITH [INAUDIBLE] TO GO OVER AND HAVE SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL, BUT THAT OUR LIBRARY ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.
IS IS TO BE A LIBRARY AND NOT A HOMELESS FACILITY.
THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT WE NEED TO OFFER THESE SERVICES.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS [INAUDIBLE] WHEN WHEN I'M TALKING TO FOLKS DOWNTOWN.
THEY THEY WON'T GO DOWNTOWN TO OUR LIBRARY JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE STAY TRUE TO OUR MISSION AND TO OUR VISION, AND THAT OUR LIBRARIANS ARE ABLE TO USE THE TOOLS AND KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WENT TO SCHOOL FOR AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND USE THAT ON EVERY SINGLE DAY WHEN THERE'S A COLLEGE STUDENT GOING DOWN, MAKING.
FINDING THAT BOOK FOR THEM AND CONNECTING WITH THEM.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE THAT THE CONDITIONS OF THE LIBRARY ARE NOT DESIRABLE.
AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE THE SERVICES THAT YOU GUYS ARE OFFERING ARE NEEDED.
BUT PROBABLY JUST NOT HAPPENING INSIDE OUR DOWNTOWN LIBRARY SPACE.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM E.
THEY HAVE A LARGER PROJECT GOING ON IN ON THE SAME STREET, AND THESE TWO LOTS WILL SUPPORT THAT.
DO YOU NEED A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? IT'S TO APPROVE THE ITEM.
THE THE DEVELOPMENT, THE SALE GOING FORWARD TO COUNCIL? YES. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC.
WELL, IT'S RELATED TO THIS IN THAT WE'RE SELLING PROPERTY TO A CHURCH.
AND I'M WONDERING IF WE HAVE CONSIDERED OTHER WAYS TO ENCOURAGE CHURCHES TO BUILD HOUSING.
SO WE HAVE THAT'S THAT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.
WE ARE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH SEVERAL LARGE CHURCHES TO DO DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND WE'LL BE BRINGING THOSE PROJECTS FORWARD ONCE WE GET TO THE POINT OF APPROVAL PROCESS.
BUT YES TALKING TO CHURCHES ABOUT ALL OF THE LAND THEY DO OWN AND TRYING TO GET THEM TO PARTNER WITH US TO DO DEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF OUR INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON.
THANK THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COUNCIL WOMAN I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.
YEAH. OH, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A MEMO.
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THAT'S COOL.I WILL IF THAT'S OKAY, CHAIR, BUT ON THIS, I WILL JUST SAY THIS IS THE CHART YOU PROVIDED US WITH.
RIGHT, GUYS? THAT IS THE I JUST I LIKE IT.
KEEP THEM COMING. THE CHART WITH THE UPDATES ON ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO ME AND BECAUSE MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE ALWAYS ASKING WHAT'S NEXT ON 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE? AND I NEED THIS AS AN EASY HERE YOU GO KIND OF THING TO HAND THEM.
SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED WHEN WE ASKED FOR THAT.
THAT'S THAT'S IT ON THIS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN WEST.
THANK YOU FOR MOVING THIS ONE FORWARD.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO STRESS THE URGENCY IN TERMS OF GETTING THIS ONE MOVING ON, ON THE GROUND, MOVING THERE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN TENTS IN FRONT OF STORES, AND IT'S IMPACTING BUSINESS AT THIS POINT.
AND IT'S GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE IT'S GOTTEN REALLY OUT OF CONTROL COMPARED TO THE OTHER PROPERTY.
YES. THE NOVA FOR THAT ONE IS SHOULD BE GOING LIVE EITHER LATE JUNE OR THE SECOND WEEK OF JULY.
OKAY, WELL, IT IS LATE JUNE, RIGHT? SO, YES WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CAO AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF ON THE 26TH AGENDA, AND SO THEY ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE RIGHT AFTER THAT.
AND IF NOT, THEN THERE'S THAT HOLIDAY BREAK.
AND SO IT WOULD BE RIGHT AFTER THAT IS THE FALLBACK DATE.
I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE IT ON THE 26TH.
SO PLEASE DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
FOR THE 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING SOMETHING, AND THERE MAY BE SOME DISAGREEMENTS WITH GOOD NEIGHBOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS. MAY I RESPOND HERE? I THINK WE'RE WE'RE STILL COMING THROUGH THE LEGALITY.
LIKE I THINK IT'S ALMOST THERE, BUT WE'RE WHAT IS LEGALLY ALLOWED PURSUANT TO THE FAIR HOUSING ACT TO PUT IN THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT VERSUS NOT ALLOWED. SO IT AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOT EVERYONE MAY AGREE ON WHAT WE COME FORWARD WITH, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSE.
SO IT WILL ALL BE HASHED OUT WEDNESDAY.
AND THEN YOU KNOW, HERE WE HERE WE ARE WITH HAMPTON ROAD ON HERE.
YOU KNOW. WELL, I GUESS WE HAVE ITEMS THAT ARE ABOUT TO COME, SO I'LL JUST LEAVE THAT ALONE.
SO FOR VANTAGE POINT, MY QUESTION IS YOU ARE SAYING YOU HAVE 118 ROOMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE O F THE 136.
THAT IS THE LATEST UPDATE FROM THE.
ARE WE WAITING UNTIL EVERY SINGLE UNIT IS AVAILABLE BEFORE ANYBODY MOVES IN? NO, THEY ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWING LEASE UP.
THAT'S JUST THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE ROOMS AS OF LAST WEEK FROM SAINT JUDE.
SO ARE 118 OCCUPIED NOW OR WE HAVE ROOMS THAT ARE FINISHED AND BUT NOT OCCUPIED? SO THE ENTIRE CAMPUS IS FINISHED.
THEY'VE ALREADY LEASED UP THOSE ORIGINAL 28 UNITS.
SO DO YOU HAVE A COHORT THAT'S READY TO GO IN? I MEAN, WE'RE SITTING HERE HEARING ABOUT ALL THE AMAZING HOUSING, AND WE'RE TELLING YOU WE'VE GOT ALL THESE HOMELESS AND YOU'RE JUST SAYING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM. AND SO THERE'S 118 UNITS.
AND SO IF YOU'VE FILLED 24 OF THE 118, ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU'VE GOT 95 PLUS THAT LIKE TOMORROW YOU'RE GOING TO FILL? I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
SO I CAN CHECK WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALL ABOUT TO BE HOUSED.
I DON'T KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, AS OF TODAY, HALF OF THOSE ARE FILLED.
I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH THEM AND WE CAN ASK WHERE THEY ARE IN THAT PROCESS
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I HAVE A MEETING WITH CATHOLIC CHARITIES TODAY, SO I'LL TALK TO THEIR CHIEF OF OPERATIONS TODAY AND GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.OKAY. WELL, YOU PUT THIS PRESENTATION TOGETHER SOMETIME A WEEK AGO, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAD TO POST IT ON FRIDAY.
SO THEREFORE SOMETIME DURING THE WEEK YOU FILLED IN THAT NUMBER.
I WOULD IMAGINE EVERY SINGLE SPOT SHOULD BE FILLED BY NOW.
AND IF IT'S NOT, I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOT.
I MEAN, SOME OF THESE THINGS JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE ALIGNING FOR ME.
IF YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU'VE GOT.
RENOVATIONS ARE COMPLETE IN 118 OF THE 136 ROOMS, WHY AREN'T THEY FILLED? SO WE WILL ASK CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE IN THAT PROCESS.
IT MIGHT BE THAT THEY HAVE A RUNWAY TO ALL 95 WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.
I JUST NEED WE NEED TO ASK THEM TODAY AND WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
OKAY. WELL, HAVING MOVED LOTS OF CHILDREN INTO DORMS, IT'S POSSIBLE.
THE NEXT ONE I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IS.
OH, SO HOW ARE THEY GETTING THE PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO THERE? I MEAN, IS THIS JUST YOU SEND A NOTICE OUT TO THE COC SAYING, HEY, THERE'S ROOMS AVAILABLE IF YOU'RE A VOUCHER HOLDER.
ARE THEY WORKING WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY? LIKE HOW IS THAT PROCESS WORKING.
THEY WERE AWARDED SOME VOUCHERS THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS THROUGH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY.
AND THEN THEY WORK WITH THE LARGER COC TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE OPEN AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE HOUSING NAVIGATORS AND CASE MANAGERS KNOW SO THEY CAN START REFERRING PEOPLE IN THROUGH THE COORDINATED ACCESS SYSTEM.
OKAY. AND THEN FOR VANTAGE, IS THERE GOING TO BE ON SITE SERVICES OR IS IT ALL, I MEAN, IS IT COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE HOUSING? YES. ON SITE SERVICES OR SERVICES OR OFF SITE? IT'S A STANDARD SAINT JUDE PROJECT.
SO SOME OF SOME OF COLUMN A, SOME OF COLUMN B OKAY.
AND SO THE LAST ITEM I HAVE THEN IS FOR 711 SOUTH SAINT PAUL.
WHAT GUIDANCE DO YOU NEED TO HAVE FOR YOU TO SELL THIS PROPERTY THAT IS WITH REAL ESTATE? AND I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE FROM REAL ESTATE IS ON.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING IT FORWARD QUICKLY, BUT I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THEM.
THE BUILDING IS WITH REAL ESTATE.
WHEN DID THIS BUILDING BECOME VACANT? I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BRING MY PA OUT HERE.
SHE'S THE ONE WHO HANDLES PROPERTIES FOR US.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBER GLORIA SANDOVAL, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
THE COUNCIL TERMINATED THE THE LEASE WITH FAMILY GATEWAY.
IT WAS LIKE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER, SECOND OR THIRD WEEK OF OCTOBER.
HOWEVER, FAMILY GATEWAY ACTUALLY EXITED THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS THE MONDAY AFTER LABOR DAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH OR SO.
OKAY, SO YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, RIGHT? MA'AM, YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, THAT THE PROPERTY'S BEEN VACANT FOR THREE QUARTERS OF A YEAR.
AND SO WHY DIDN'T WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE THE APPRAISAL DONE? WHY WEREN'T WE READY TO GO? WHY WEREN'T WE READY TO ACT? AND I CANNOT WE CAN'T SPEAK TO THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE.
ALL WE KNOW IS THAT THE PROPERTY WAS HANDED OVER.
WE WORKED WITH FAMILY GATEWAY TO ENSURE A CLEAN TRANSITION.
AND THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO MOVE OUT.
AND WE'RE TOLD THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD SO WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
IT WASN'T LIKE WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY.
WE'VE KNOWN FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND THEN THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN OUT FOR, WE'LL SAY NINE MONTHS, AND WE'RE NOW LIKE, OH GOSH, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? I GUESS WE NEED AN APPRAISAL.
SO, CHAIR MENDELSOHN, I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC THAT I HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF, AND I KNOW THAT CHAIR WEST IS ALSO PUT THIS ON HIS AGENDA FOR LATER TODAY.
THANK YOU. I DO SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL.
IS IT IN ORDER FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ASK FOR THE CITY TO SELL THIS PROPERTY? THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
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I DON'T I THINK IT MIGHT BE BEST, THOUGH, TO WAIT TILL GBFM TO TO ADDRESS THAT.YES, I SAW THE ITEM, AND I DEFINITELY INTEND TO SAY THAT ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE HERE IT IS ON THE HOUSING COMMITTEE, AND PERHAPS THE HOUSING COMMITTEE COULD AT LEAST MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN GBFM CAN MAKE ITS OWN, BECAUSE OF COURSE, THIS IS DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO SELL THE 711 TO RECOMMEND STAFF.
PROCEED WITH SELLING THE 711 SOUTH SAINT PAUL PROPERTY.
OKAY, BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION, IS THERE A SECOND? SURE. IT'S BEEN SECONDED.
OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, DO YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? I DO, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DECISION TO SELL BEFORE WE HAVE AN APPRAISAL ON IT, OR ANY KIND OF.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING IT BEFORE.
BEFORE WE GET OUR CONSULTANTS ADVICE.
SO. SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING A DIRECT SELL OR SELL TO A SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL OR COMPANY.
IS THAT, WELL, I MEAN, NO, WAIT, LET ME JUMP IN HERE.
NO, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED ANYONE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE'VE HIRED A CONSULTANT TO ADVISE US ON THIS, AND NOW WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO TAKE AN ACTION BEFORE WE GET THE REPORT FROM THE CONSULTANT ON WHAT THEY MAY, WHO ARE EXPERTS WHO MAY ADVISE US.
I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S PREMATURE AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, WE NEED TO GET THAT INPUT BEFORE WE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISION.
SECOND. I CAN'T I CAN'T GET BEHIND THAT SAY.
WELL, ACTUALLY I'M NOT. OH, NO.
DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
BUT YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY IN ONE CAPACITY WITH THE SAINT PAUL PROPERTY, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT WAS BOUGHT WITH BOND DOLLARS. AND I KNOW THAT THAT COMES WITH SOME DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO LUMP THESE TOGETHER.
I MEAN, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO SELL, SELL, SELL.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M HESITANT TO THROW THAT INTO THIS.
OKAY. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION.
NOT THAT I'M AGAINST SELLING AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
NOT THAT AGAINST. I'M AGAINST ENTERTAINING THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THESE ARE IN TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
THE ONE ON SAINT PAUL HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED FOR SALE.
WE HAVE SOME THINGS IN PLAY CURRENTLY.
AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.
THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS A WORTHY AMENDMENT IN THAT I DO ALSO AGREE WE SHOULD JUST SELL THAT HAMPTON PROPERTY, NOT BECAUSE I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A GREAT PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING.
IT'S JUST THAT CLEARLY THE CITY IS NOT ABLE TO EXECUTE IT.
AND HAVING NOT TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEN SAID WE WOULD GO AND TALK TO THEM, AND THEY VERY CLEARLY HAVE TOLD US REPEATEDLY THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE OFFERING, LIKE WE JUST NEED TO CUT AND AND USE THE PROCEEDS FROM THAT SALE TO ACTUALLY GET INDEPENDENCE UP AND GOING.
SO SO I WAS HAPPY TO SECOND YOUR MOTION.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE UNDERLYING MOTION WHEN THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
COLLEAGUES. SO IT'S DISAPPOINTING.
THE MATH ON THIS DECISION IS REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED.
THE MATH ON THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY IS IT WAS PURCHASED WITH 2017 HOMELESS PROPOSITION DOLLARS.
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AS WELL AS ANY OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE STILL LYING IN WAIT TO BE COMPLETED.ADDITIONALLY, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, WE DID MEET.
I WENT AND MET WITH A COMMUNITY.
WE HAD FOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
WE HAD 325 RESPONSES FROM THE SURVEYS.
AND IT IS A RESOUNDING MESSAGE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO USE THIS PROPERTY TO SUPPORT FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC PURPOSE USES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS COME UP WITH.
I'VE SENT WE'VE GIVEN COPIES OF THE DEBRIEF TO YOUR STAFF TO TO SEE.
SO I'M ASKING YOU ALL TO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT, AND I SAID IT EARLIER IN THE TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS, THE ACTIVITY ON INDEPENDENCE BEHIND INDEPENDENCE, IF WE WERE TO OPEN INDEPENDENCE TOMORROW, THE AMOUNT OF CRIME AND DRUGS AND ALL OF THAT ACTIVITY THAT'S AROUND THERE, WE NEED TO STAND UP MORE.
SO HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDS CAN HELP US SUPPORT THE ACTIVITY THAT NEEDS TO BE AROUND THERE.
RIGHT NOW, I HAVE BUSINESSES ON THE BRINK OF CLOSING BECAUSE THERE ARE TENTS IN FRONT OF THE STORES.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDRESSING A HOMELESS, AN ISSUE WITH PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND OUR UNHOUSED, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AREA THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ISSUE. WE'RE CREATING AN ISSUE WHERE WE HAVE ONE, AND IT'S LITERALLY EVOLVING RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES.
SO WE HAVE AN ISSUE IN INDEPENDENCE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION THAT I'VE SENT YOU, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF USES FOR THIS PUBLIC USES THAT WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, WHICH INCLUDES HOUSING FOR SENIORS, WHICH INCLUDES RECREATION, WHICH INCLUDES EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY BRING A QUALITY OF LIFE TO THIS PROPERTY.
THAT THAT'S BEING MISSED IN THE COMMUNITY IS SCREAMING FOR IT.
SO AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING YOU ALL TO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS.
I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THE MATH IS REALLY NOT THAT COMPLICATED.
IT WAS PURCHASED WITH HOMELESS PROPOSITIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE? ARE THERE OTHER COMPLICATIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO? THERE ARE SOME PROPOSED COMMUNITY RELATED DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE.
THERE'S SOME WAYS WE MAP THIS UP WHERE A PORTION OF IT CAN BE RESERVED FOR MEDICAL ABORTION.
WE'VE MADE RECOMMEND OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MOVE OUR DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM ILLINOIS OVER TO THIS CAMPUS TO KEEP THEM OVER THERE, WHICH BRINGS A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT TO IT.
AND IF YOU ADD THE HOUSING, ALL OF THESE PIECES CAN BE DONE.
AND I'M ASKING FOR THE SUPPORT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, NOT JUST ADDRESSING THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE COMMUNITY ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE OVER HERE, BUT ALSO THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE ITEMS THAT WE'RE ALL SEEING.
WE'RE HERE TO WORK TO ADDRESS.
THE MATH IS NOT THAT HARD, Y'ALL.
IT WAS PURCHASED WITH 2017 BOND PROCEEDS.
IF WE SELL IT, THOSE PROCEEDS ARE OBLIGATED TO ADDRESS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
AND I HAVE THAT PROJECT ON INDEPENDENCE.
TAKE A DRIVE. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE YOU OVER THERE AT ANY TIME OF THE HOUR.
I'VE BEEN OVER THERE AT ALL HOURS AT.
ALL HOURS AND ITS ACTIVITY NON STOP.
THERE'S A NEED RIGHT THERE AND I'M ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT PLEASE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN GRACEY.
WITH THAT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.
DID YOU WANT TO CHIME IN? THIS IS ON THE AMENDMENT.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NAY, NAY. VOTE FAILS.
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WE'LL NOW GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COUNCIL MEMBER MIDDLETON.
AND IN FACT, WE COULD SAY THAT ABOUT EVERY PROPERTY ON THIS LIST, WHICH DATES BACK TO 2022, MORE PROPERTIES FROM 2022, ONE PROPERTY FROM 23, WHICH SURPRISINGLY IS THE ONE WE ARE NOT DOING OURSELVES.
AND INSTEAD, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE'RE PURSUING A CONSULTANT, ANOTHER CONSULTANT WHO'S GOING TO DREAM UP SOME IDEA OF WHAT? WE COULD USE THIS FOR? THAT WHAT THEN? WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO EXECUTE AGAIN.
AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU, WE HAVE TO ADMIT, AS A CITY, WE ARE TERRIBLE AT DEVELOPING PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT'S HAPPENED ON STEMMONS.
BUT WE NEED TO LET THE PRIVATE MARKET DO ITS JOB, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO SELL THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING EVEN JUST ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S PEOPLE WHO WILL BE INTERESTED IN IT.
AND PROVIDING THAT GUIDANCE TO STAFF WILL HELP THIS GO THROUGH QUICKER.
NOW WHAT? AND IN THAT TIME WE WILL HAVE PAID FOR SECURITY WE'LL HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR.
MAINTENANCE OF THE LAWN WILL BE TAKING OUT THE HOMELESS THAT STILL GET IN.
AND LIKE WE NEED TO JUST GIVE SOME CLEAR DIRECTION, MOVE FORWARD WITH A SALE, FIGURE OUT WHO TO SELL IT TO AND OFFLOAD IT. WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH PROPERTY AND NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT GUYS, LET'S KEEP IT TO ONE MINUTE ON THIS ROUND.
COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T SUPPORT THIS DECISION RIGHT NOW.
IT'S THAT WE ARE ON THE BRINK OF GETTING THIS INFORMATION.
I THINK LITERALLY IT'S ABOUT TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT'S COMING UP.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO WAIT AND SEE HOW WE CAN OPTIMIZE THIS FOR THE TAXPAYERS.
CHAIRMAN WEST. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT CHAIR WILLIS SAID.
I WILL SUPPORT IT FOR THIS ONE PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF GROUND I DON'T SEE THIS BEING SOMETHING WE CAN MASTERPLAN AWAY AT THE CITY AND WITH SOME LONG TERM 99 YEAR LEASE REVENUE SITUATION, I THINK IT'S THE KIND OF PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COULD BE PICKED UP BY ONE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND MADE INTO SOMETHING MORE MEANINGFUL.
IT COSTS US A LOT MORE TO MAINTAIN BECAUSE OF OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAN IT DOES SOMEONE ELSE.
I THINK IT'S TIME WE LOOK VERY HARD AND QUICKLY USING BEST RESOURCES INTO ALL OF OUR ASSETS.
I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS WELL.
WITH THAT, I'M ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THANK YOU. AGAIN, MY NAME IS CLIFFORD SPARKS.
I'M THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR HERE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND WE'LL BE GOING OVER THE MEMORANDUM DATED JANUARY 8TH, 2024.
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AND THEY ARE THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS COMMITTEE SOLUTIONS PROPOSED 2025 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.THIS WAS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TASKED WITH FROM THE LEGISLATIVE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO COME BACK TO EACH COMMITTEE AND REVIEW THE DIFFERENT MEMORANDUMS THAT HAVE COME OUT, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THESE AND MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES, AND ALSO TO UPDATE YOU ON SOME HAPPENINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE STATE LEVEL AND PARTICULARLY WITH SOME ISSUES OVER THE SQUATTING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON AROUND THE STATE.
THE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BACK IN MAY, ON MAY 15TH, THE SENATE TOOK UP THE CHARGE AND WANTED TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR IDEAS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THIS LEGISLATION IS GOING TO GET WRITTEN BEFORE WE EVEN GET INTO SESSION.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR IDEAS FLESHED OUT AHEAD OF TIME, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NOT NECESSARILY NEW, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO PUT ON EVERYONE'S RADAR. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE BULLET POINTS BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE BACK IN JANUARY 8TH. IN PARTICULAR, THE THIRD BULLET POINT ABOUT THESE SUPPORT TENANT PROTECTIONS INCLUDING A RIGHT TO CURE THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE EVICTION PROCESS.
I KNOW THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO SPLIT THAT INTO TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS. SO I'LL BE WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE UPDATED MEMO, IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT ON JANUARY 8TH WAS TO SEE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HANDLED LOCALLY, OR IF THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT WE JUST NEEDED INFORMATION ON, OR IF THERE NEEDED TO BE LEGISLATION TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP THE REMOVING BARRIERS.
PROTECT RENTAL SUBSIDIES FROM LANDLORD DISCRIMINATION.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD MAKE.
I HAVE MISS ROGERS HERE NEXT TO ME TO TALK ABOUT THAT IF WE WANTED TO GET INTO THAT.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR TO SEE WHERE WE WANTED TO GO WITH IF WE WANTED TO ADOPT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES, AND TO SEE WHERE THE COMMITTEE WAS ON DIFFERENT ITEMS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
CARRIE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO CHIME IN AT THIS TIME ON THE, THE DIFFERENT THE MEMO THAT CAME OUT FROM FROM KIM CARRIE ROGERS, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS DIRECTOR.
NO, SIR. I THINK IT WAS COVERED IN THE MEMO AND CLIFFORD COVERED THE LEGISLATIVE ITEMS. WELL, I'M PLEASED TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN EACH ITEM.
AFTER THAT, LIKE I SAID WE'LL ENTERTAIN ANY NEW ITEMS. THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M GOING TO JUST BECAUSE IT'S TIMELY IS THE SQUATTERS ONE.
AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT 711 SAINT PAUL AS WELL.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT ONE.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT MY COLLEAGUES ON THAT ONE AS WELL.
BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GO DOWN EACH ITEM.
CHAIR, I'M. I DON'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WOULD BE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ITEM IS ATTEMPTING TO HELP THE ELDERLY IN OUR CITY MAINTAIN THEIR THEIR LOCALE AND WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES BY A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TOOLS.
IN THE PAST, WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO HOMESTEAD PRESERVATION.
THE STATE CHOSE TO GO BROAD THIS PAST SESSION.
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SO I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'LL I KNOW WE HAVE A BUDGET SURPLUS FOR THIS UPCOMING SESSION, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE SPECIFICALLY TARGETING THEM WHEN IT COMES TO LOOKING AT ANY TYPE OF HOMESTEAD PRESERVATION OR PROPERTY TAX RELIEF THAT SPECIFICALLY CALLS THEM OUT. AND WHY WAS THE LANGUAGE RAPIDLY DEVELOPING COMMUNITIES INCLUDED? IS THAT ALL OF DALLAS, OR IS THAT JUST A SPECIFIC PORTION? I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE WAS INCLUDED, BUT FROM WHERE THE STATE SITS, THEY SEE THE CITIES AS ALL AS RAPIDLY DEVELOPING COMMUNITIES BECAUSE OF ALL THE GROWTH THAT THEY'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING.OKAY. OH, EXPANDED FOR THAT MATTER.
SO I JUST THINK THE WORDING IS EXTREMELY AWKWARD FOR WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, AND I'M WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THERE CAN BE SOME ADDITIONAL WORDSMITHING TO THIS. I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY, WHERE IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS ALLOW SENIORS TO AGE IN PLACE.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE ALL SORTS OF TOOLS, RIGHT? THAT THAT MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
BUT I JUST WHEN I READ THAT, I'M LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS.
PRESERVE OWNER PROSPERITY FOR THE ELDERLY AND RAPIDLY DEVELOPING COMMUNITIES.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT ELDERLY IS.
I MEAN, AM I ELDERLY? I MEAN, LIKE AND RAPIDLY DEVELOPING.
BUT EVEN RENTERS HELPING OUR SENIORS BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT IS IMPORTANT AS WELL.
SO I CHAIR I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT HELPING SENIORS AGE IN PLACE.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH OWNERS AND RENTERS.
THANK YOU. CLIFFORD, CAN YOU TELL US WHO PRESENTED THIS AMENDMENT OR.
SORRY, THIS PRIORITY PROBABLY THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS PRESENTED THIS TO COMMITTEE OR THEY TOOK THEY TOOK THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COMMITTEE PREVIOUSLY.
AND IF YOU COULD DO THAT FOR EVERY SINGLE ITEM AS WE GO DOWN THE LIST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER? WILLIS. YEAH, I SEE THIS AS MORE THAN JUST AGING IN PLACE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A DESIRE FOR SOME TO HAVE EMPLOYMENT AND BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW THAT OPPORTUNITY OPENED UP WHERE, I MEAN, THAT'S OUR FASTEST GROWING DEMOGRAPHIC IS 60 PLUS.
AND SO A FOCUS ON PROGRAMS THAT WOULD ALLOW SENIORS TO, TO HAVE PART TIME WORK OR WORK, WHICH HELPS WITH THEIR PROSPERITY AND MIGHT HELP THEM AGE IN PLACE, THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO AS WELL AS, I MEAN, TO ME, I LOOK AT THIS AS MORE OF A QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR SENIORS.
IS IT NOT HAVING THEM FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOME? LET THEM MAKE THEIR DECISION ABOUT THEIR HOME GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ALL THE RICH EXPERIENCE THEY HAVE HAD AND STILL BE EMPLOYED, MAYBE DIFFERENTLY, NOT FULL TIME AS THEY WERE IN THE PAST.
THERE'S A LOT OF YOU KNOW, LONELINESS, DEPRESSION THAT WE'RE SHOWING COMES WITH THIS.
AND SO I SEE IT AS SOMETHING MORE BROAD THAN JUST ABOUT TAX EXEMPTIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
OKAY WITH THAT? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE STILL HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE NECESSARILY OPPOSES THIS BEING A PRIORITY.
I THINK WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION ON THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED.
AND SO, CLIFFORD, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AS THIS, OR SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL WE GET SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE? WELL, JUST BASED ON THE DISCUSSION, I WOULD TRY TO KEEP IT AS BROAD AS POSSIBLE SO THAT IT CAN ENCAPSULATE ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE COME FROM JUST THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD.
BUT THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE COMMITTEE.
IF YOU WANT TO NARROW IT DOWN TO SAY SPECIFIC THINGS, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
BUT JUST MY GENERAL RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP IT BROAD SO THAT WE CAN CAST A WIDE NET TO DO ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE THE THE REALITY IS, IS THAT EVERY SESSION, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GET HOT COMING OUT OF AUSTIN.
AND SO IF ONE PARTICULAR LANE IS HOTTER THAN ANOTHER, I THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT BROAD.
SO AT LEAST WE CAN TACKLE A PART OF IT AS A PART OF NONE OF IT AT ALL.
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SO BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY UP TO THE COMMITTEE CHAIR.AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKFORCE OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER KINDS OF QUALITY OF LIFE ITEMS, BUT SINCE THIS IS THE HOUSING COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS WAS REALLY MEANT TO BE FOCUSED ON SENIOR HOUSING.
ITEMS CAN BE REMOVED, AMENDED, ADDED.
SO THIS IS BY NO MEANS A FINAL A FINAL LIST.
IT'S JUST WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO THE FULL COUNCIL.
SO, I MEAN, I'M FINE IF PEOPLE DON'T FIND THAT TO BE A CONFUSING PHRASE.
AND IT'S ME, I'M FINE WITH MOVING IT FORWARD.
FOR ME, I WOULD EDIT IT, BUT CERTAINLY THAT CAN HAPPEN AT THE FULL COUNCIL MEETING.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
YEAH. GOING BACK TO THAT, I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SUCH A THING AS HOUSING PROSPERITY, BUT I TAKE THE POINT ABOUT THE HOUSING, THE RENTING VERSUS OWNERSHIP AND JUST BEING ABLE TO FEEL STABLE AND SECURE.
AND SO PERHAPS WE'RE ADDRESSING THEM THERE AND THEN WE'RE FOCUSING HERE.
BUT I DO THINK THIS WORDING IS A LITTLE ODD AND NOT REALLY GETTING TO THE INTENT OF LETTING PEOPLE JUST NOT BE THREATENED AS THEY AGE WITH LOSING THEIR APARTMENT OR THEIR HOME.
ALL RIGHT WITH THAT? IS THERE SUPPORT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? SO THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I'M GOING TO OPPOSE IT. I'M GOING TO OPPOSE IT JUST BECAUSE THE WORDING DOESN'T SPEAK TO ME.
OKAY. THANK YOU. PRIORITY GETS VOTED IN FAVOR.
SO WE'LL GO TO BULLET NUMBER TWO.
BULLET NUMBER TWO IS PROTECT RENTAL SUBSIDIES FROM LANDLORD DISCRIMINATION.
CHAIR. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS ITEM.
WHAT THIS IS DOING IS IT'S TELLING A LANDLORD THEY MUST ACCEPT A VOUCHER.
THIS IS REALLY WHAT THE PROGRAM IS.
AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT ACCEPTING VOUCHERS COMES WITH A LOT OF EXTRA PAPERWORK INSPECTIONS THAT CAN OFTEN LEAVE A LANDLORD WITH MULTIPLE MONTHS OF NO PAYMENT.
WE IMPLEMENTED WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A MASTER LEASE PROGRAM TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THIS VERY ISSUE.
OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T IMPLEMENT IT IN A MASTER LEASE PROGRAM WAY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO ENSURE THAT VOUCHER HOLDERS ARE ABLE TO FIND. PLACES TO RENT.
AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR MARKET IS THAT, SURE ENOUGH, THERE ARE PLACES.
AND IN FACT, NOW THE PROBLEM IS FINDING THE VOUCHER.
IT'S NOT FINDING THE PLACE THAT WILL ACCEPT THE VOUCHER.
SO THIS IS NO LONGER THE SAME URGENCY THAT ONCE WAS.
PLUS, WE HAVE PUT IN WHAT I'LL CALL A FAUX PROGRAM TO ADDRESS IT.
ALSO AND WHEN YOU HAVE SMALL INVESTORS.
THIS IS AN UNFAIR BURDEN, AND I DON'T SUPPORT REQUIRING THE ACCEPTANCE OF IT.
THANK YOU. CLIFFORD, CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD THROUGH A STAKEHOLDER OR THROUGH A COUNCIL MEMBER? I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO MISS ROGERS ON THAT ONE.
THIS ITEM, I BELIEVE, WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
CHAIR WEST, THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS DEPARTMENTS.
LIKE SO IS IT SAYING FOR THOSE WHO DO ACCEPT VOUCHERS, YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE AMOUNT OF THE VOUCHER OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS WHAT'S CONFUSING ME ON THIS.
CORRECT. THE STATE LAW AND FEDERAL LAW IS YOU CAN'T REQUIRE A LANDLORD TO ACCEPT A VOUCHER.
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VOUCHER. THAT THEY'RE BEING TURNED DOWN FOR LEASE OR RENT OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE USING THE VOUCHER.SO IT'S SORT OF A GRAY SPACE OF, YOU KNOW, WHICH COMES FIRST, THEY CAN'T BE REQUIRED TO USE IT, BUT NOR CAN THEY BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FROM USING IT. I WELCOME THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
THIS ONE'S REALLY I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL.
SO MAYBE WE HAVE SOME CLARITY.
I CAN ONLY SAY THAT I'M NOT AWARE THAT THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT PRESENTED THIS ONE.
I DON'T SUPPORT THIS ONE AT ALL BASED ON THE INFORMATION I'M HEARING.
OKAY. THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD SAY AYE.
SO, SO JUST SO TO GET SOME THAT WILL PRESENT THE ONES THAT WERE SUPPORTED TO THE FULL COUNCIL.
BUT AT THAT POINT, IF ANY OF THESE SHOULD COME BACK UP, THAT OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US.
CHAIR WILLIS. IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SO IF WE CAN GET THAT THAT WILL BE HELPFUL, I THINK AT FULL COUNCIL TO.
AGAIN, I THINK THE TROUBLE WE MIGHT BE HAVING IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE PRESENTER WHO WHO DID THIS? OKAY. SO SO SO WE WE'VE HAD WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS.
THOSE WHO OPPOSE SAY I, I OKAY.
SUPPORT TENANT PROTECTIONS, INCLUDING A RIGHT TO CURE THROUGH.
THROUGHOUT THE EVICTION PROCESS.
AND CLIFFORD AGAIN, IF YOU CAN REMIND US WHO PRESENTED THIS OR WHO RECOMMENDED THIS.
AGAIN. I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO MISS ROGERS ON THAT.
I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, CHAIR? YES. WHO WAS IT? AN ORGANIZATION OR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT BROUGHT THIS FORWARD? THIS ITEM CAME FROM THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE.
THIS IS SORT OF NOT VERY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE WHEN IT SAYS INCLUDING A RIGHT TO CURE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD MEAN WITHIN YOUR THREE DAY GRACE PERIOD, THAT COULD MEAN RIGHT UP TO THE MOMENT THAT YOU'RE IN COURT.
AND SO I CAN'T SUPPORT WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
I MEAN. IT'S NOT SAYING INCREASED TENANT PROTECTIONS, IT'S SAYING SUPPORT THEM.
SO I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT DOES.
AND THEN REALISTICALLY, I THINK IT'S AN ASPIRATIONAL ITEM, MEANING NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN ANYHOW.
GRACEY. YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET SOME SOME CLARITY ON THAT, TOO, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO CURE.
IS THAT IF SOMEONE'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF OF BEING EVICTED AND THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY HAVE A COURT DATE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
DOES THIS INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO CURE? DOES THAT MEAN THAT THAT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO STAY IN THEIR PLACE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE UNTIL THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND THIS TO BE? YES, SIR. MY RECOLLECTION, AND I'M OPEN TO CORRECTION ON ALL THINGS, IS THAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO CODIFY THE COVID ERA EVICTION ORDINANCE THAT SETS IN PLACE, TIME FRAMES, ETC.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A A STANDALONE BILL LAST SESSION RELATED TO THE EVICTION PROCESS.
AND THEN SEPARATELY, THERE WAS A BILL THAT WAS RELATED TO THE TENANTS RIGHTS, SORT OF A BILL OF A TENANTS BILL OF RIGHTS THAT WAS SIMILAR TO SOMETHING THEY HAD IN PLACE IN SAN ANTONIO, I BELIEVE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER.
CHAIR WEST. THANK YOU, CHAIR, I SUPPORT IT.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALREADY, I BELIEVE, STATE PROTECTIONS FOR TENANTS.
AND I WOULD SAY WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THOSE.
AND IN FACT, WE'VE ENHANCED THEM AT OUR OWN LEVEL.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS A NO BRAINER.
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THANK YOU. OKAY.AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION CARRIES BULLET NUMBER FOUR.
REMOVE BARRIERS TO GROWING THE HOUSING STOCK, INCLUDING AVAILABILITY OF CONDOS.
HANG ON A SECOND. WE CAN GET WHO BROUGHT THAT FORWARD? THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY CHAIRMAN WEST, I BELIEVE, IN A COMMITTEE DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU. SO, IF I MAY CONDOMINIUMS HAVE SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR FEDERAL FINANCING.
IT'S NOT ONLY ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE.
IT'S ALSO ON WHAT'S REQUIRED TO BE COVERED IN INSURANCE, THE TYPE OF FINANCING THEY CAN DO.
IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR US AS A HOUSING DEPARTMENT TO SUPPORT IT IN IN OUR, IN OUR PROGRAMS AS WELL, BECAUSE THE FINANCING REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF FIVE UNITS TO BE SOLD PRIOR TO ANY FINANCING COMING FORWARD FOR CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT IS IT'S A MORE STRINGENT, COMPLICATED FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS ON THE TYPE OF FINANCING THAT THOSE THOSE PROJECTS CAN GET, AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON INSURANCE AND OTHER THINGS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CARRY.
SO ARE THESE ONLY FINANCIAL BARRIERS? WHERE WILL IT ALSO GO INTO THE CURRENT DALLAS CODE ON BUILDING REQUIREMENTS? OUR CODE DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON IT THAT I'M AWARE OF BECAUSE BEFORE THESE REQUIREMENTS CAME INTO PLACE UNDER ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR FINANCING, WE USED TO ASSIST WITH CONDOMINIUM CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S JUST AFTER THE 2008 MORTGAGE CRISIS.
THEY THE FEDERAL LEVEL CHANGED A LOT OF THE RULES FOR CONDOMINIUMS. CHAIR WEST, IT'S IN RESPONSE TO THAT, TOO.
WHICH IS, I THINK, A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THIS HAD COME UP, GOSH, LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO FROM JUST DEVELOPERS DURING OUR COVID CONVERSATIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WE END UP BUILDING APARTMENTS FOR RENT INSTEAD OF CONDOS FOR SALE BECAUSE OF I AT THAT TIME, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WITH STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE AT ISSUE.
WHEREAS CARL ANDERSON WAS TRYING TO TURN THEM INTO CONDOS FOR SALE.
AND SO I JUST SAID, ANYONE WHO HAS THAT QUESTION GO TALK TO HOUSING STAFF.
SO I STILL DON'T COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT.
IT'S A STATEWIDE PROBLEM THAT I'M HEARING.
SO, CHAIR MENDELSOHN, I APOLOGIZE.
GO AHEAD. NO PROBLEM. SO ARE YOU ACTUALLY INTENDING FOR THIS TO ACTUALLY BE ON THE FEDERAL PROGRAM, NOT THE STATE PROGRAM, HAVING HEARD THAT EXPLANATION? THAT'S RIGHT.
OKAY. AND THEN SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR YOUR EXPLANATION.
CYNTHIA, IS THAT REALLY THE ONLY ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS PROHIBITING THROUGH ITS REGULATIONS, ESSENTIALLY PROHIBITING THAT THE CITY FINANCING ASPECT WOULD HAPPEN.
IT'S WE CAN'T PARTICIPATE BECAUSE OF THOSE LENDING REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE THAN LOCAL.
IT COULD MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT US.
IT'S ONLY IF THEY NEED SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY.
IT'S NOT. IT'S IT'S IT'S THE ABILITY TO BUILD A CONDO UNDER A NORMAL PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT FIVE UNITS HAVE TO BE SOLD BEFORE ANY FINANCIAL INSTITUTION CAN FINANCE DEVELOPMENT, THAT MEANS THE DEVELOPER HAS TO COME OUT OF POCKET FOR AT LEAST FIVE UNITS TO BE SOLD, BUILT AND SOLD WITHOUT
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ANY FINANCING ON A LINE OF CREDIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.SO IT IS IT IS A BIGGER ISSUE TO DEVELOP CONDOMINIUMS THAN IT IS TOWNHOMES OR SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
OKAY, SO YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING BUILT AND SOLD AS OPPOSED TO JUST SOLD.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A DESIGN AND THEY WANT TO PRE-SELL, WHICH CERTAINLY HAPPENS QUITE A BIT FOR CONDOS AND TOWNHOMES, YOU'RE SAYING NO, IT HAS TO BE BUILT AND SOLD BEFORE THEY COULD GET FINANCING.
I'M SORRY. YEAH, IT GOES FURTHER BACK.
I'M IN SUPPORT THEN. THANK YOU.
OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THIS MOVES FORWARD.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO JUMP DOWN TO THE LAST ONE AS THAT'S A STATE ONE.
UNLESS YOU WANTED ME TO GO OVER THE FEDERAL.
GO AHEAD AND WRAP IT UP. ALL RIGHT.
MISS ROGERS, DO WE KNOW WHO BROUGHT THIS ONE FORWARD? SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
EXCUSE ME. IT DID COME THROUGH COMMITTEE.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADJUST THE WORDING IF POSSIBLE.
AND TAKE OUT THE PHRASE BY CERTAIN MUNICIPALITIES AT THE END AND CHANGE IT TO PROVIDED BY MUNICIPALITIES AS A REGIONAL SERVICE. AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE IS LOOKING FOR COST RECOVERY FOR SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO HOMELESS PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS THAT ARE ORIGINATING FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, BUT COME TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DEPTH AND BREADTH OF SERVICES. THANK YOU.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE. GET MOTION CARRIES.
YEAH. CARRIE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SIX AND SEVEN.
WE HAVE PROPOSED RECOMMENDED CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THAT.
THE LIHTC PROGRAM WAS ADDED THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE, BY THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
THAT WAS DEDICATED FOR THE PROJECT, BUT THERE MAY BE BLIGHT AROUND THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
CHAIR. GENERALLY SUPPORT THIS RECOMMENDATION.
AND LIKE THE IDEA OF INCLUDING BLIGHT REMEDIATION, FOR SURE.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS GENERALLY WITH LATECH IS THAT IT IS THEY TYPICALLY CONSULT.
YOU RARELY SEE MARKET RATE INCLUDED IN THE LATECH DEVELOPMENTS.
AND I THINK AS A POLICY, WE GENERALLY DON'T WANT TO CONSOLIDATE LOW INCOME.
WE WANT TO MIX IT IN WITH, YOU KNOW, MARKET RATES SO THAT ALL SHIPS RISE TOGETHER.
CAN WE JUST INCLUDE AS PART OF THAT? I GUESS I'M ASKING MY COLLEAGUES NOW IF WE CAN INCLUDE AS PART OF THIS RECONSIDERATION ON THE LATECH UNIT MIX. SO THAT INCLUDES SOME MARKET RATE, DEVELOP MARKET RATE UNITS WITHIN THE MIX.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ON HOW MANY.
OKAY. I THINK CYNTHIA'S WALKING UP.
ABSOLUTELY. WE ALWAYS WANT MORE MONEY FOR A MIXED INCOME PROPERTY.
BUT AS COUNCIL MEMBER WEST MENTIONED, LIKE TECH SUPPORTS INCOMES AT 60% OR BELOW.
WHAT THEY CONSIDER MARKET RATE IS ANYTHING ABOVE THAT TO 80%.
THEY ONLY ALLOW PROPERTIES TO GO TO 80%.
AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO CHANGE THAT POLICY.
CHAIR WEST, DO YOU WANT TO MAYBE GIVE IT A CRACK AT THE WAY YOU WANT THIS TO POTENTIALLY READ? CAN WE COME BACK TO IT? AND I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT PRETTY.
WE WOULD ALSO BE HAPPY TO OFFER SOME SUGGESTED LANGUAGE AS WELL.
YOU BET. OKAY, WE'LL GO OVER TO KERRY.
SO, KERRY, YOU'LL YOU'LL GET BACK WITH US? YES, SIR. OKAY.
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SO ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION OR LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
THIS I BELIEVE, WAS ALSO SUBMITTED THROUGH COMMITTEE BY CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ALSO AMEND THE LANGUAGE OF THIS TO TAKE OUT THE CLAUSE THAT SAYS ON NUMBER OF HOURS TO SEARCH SO THAT IT ONLY READS ENHANCED POINT IN TIME STANDARDS.
AND I WOULD NOT SAY THRESHOLD, I'D SAY POPULATION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THIS MOVES FORWARD. OKAY.
NOW WE'LL BE TAKING UP ANY FLOOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE SQUATTERS CONVERSATION THAT'S ALREADY ONGOING.
BUT MAYBE IF YOU CAN JUST CATCH US UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING.
SURE. THE SENATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE MET BACK ON MAY 15TH TO BRING ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
IT IS A TOPIC THAT THEY HAVE AS FAR AS ONE AS PART OF ONE OF THEIR INTERIM CHARGES WHICH MEANS IT'S VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO THEIR HEART AND SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT TAKING UP. WELL, LONG STORY SHORT, DURING THE COMMITTEE HEARING PROCESS THERE WAS A LOT OF FANFARE ABOUT HOW THE WAY DIFFERENT CITIES WERE GOING ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, AND THEY FOUND THAT IT WAS ALL OVER THE BOARD.
THE LOCAL PD'S WERE DOING IT MIGHT BE DOING IT.
THE COUNTY WAS DOING IT THEIR WAY.
AND SO THERE WASN'T A LOT OF COORDINATION THAT WAS GOING ON.
AND SO THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THEY BEING THE STATE SENATE AT THE TIME, THEY WEREN'T THEY DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THIS WAS BEING HANDLED PROPERLY.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEY WANTED AND DECLARED RIGHT THERE IN THE COMMITTEE MEETING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, MONETARY MECHANISM, YOU KNOW, POLICY MECHANISM, SOMETHING BUT SOMETHING WAS GOING TO BE DONE THIS UPCOMING SESSION AND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO WORK ON LEGISLATION THAT DEALS WITH IT THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND HAVE IT PROPOSED SOMETIME BEFORE SESSION EVEN STARTS.
SO JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE.
THANK YOU. WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? CHAIR MIDDLETON SO I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF PUTTING THIS ITEM FORWARD.
I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF CASES OF THIS IN DALLAS.
DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE? I MEAN, I JUST WROTE SOMETHING VERY BRIEF, IF YOU WANT ME TO SUGGEST IT.
SURE, I'LL TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS.
SO I JUST HAVE ENHANCED HOMEOWNER PROTECTIONS AGAINST SQUATTING.
COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SQUATTERS.
WHAT ABOUT BUSINESSES IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT AS WELL.
SO I'M WONDERING IF IT SHOULD BE EXPANDED.
BUT SO THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF WALKING A FINE LINE.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
BUT BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THIS WAS REALLY THE FORM, THE EARLIEST FORM, THAT I COULD PRESENT THIS AND TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE, LET ALONE THE COUNCIL.
AND MY REASON FOR STATING THE HASTE THAT THE STATE IS MOVING IN IS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THIS SOON SO THAT WE CAN TELL THEM WHAT WE WANT IN THEIR LEGISLATION, OR ELSE IT IS GOING TO BE DICTATED TO US.
SO THAT LANGUAGE, I'M SORRY, AGAIN, WAS JUST ENHANCE.
ENHANCE HOMEOWNER PROTECTIONS AGAINST SQUATTING.
AND WE COULD ADD BUSINESSES TO THAT AS WELL.
HOMEOWNER AND BUSINESS I MEAN IF YOU'RE SQUATTING ON A PERSONAL OR A BUSINESS RESIDENCE, THAT'S NOT.
SO I IMAGINE THE BUSINESS ASPECT OR OTHER ASPECTS WILL ALSO BE DEALT WITH AS WELL.
THANK YOU. I'LL SUPPORT THIS IF IT INCLUDES THOSE PROTECTIONS FOR, FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS SUGGESTED.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER CHAIR MIDDLETON SUPPORTS THAT.
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I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TO YOUR POINT, THAT IS THIS ISN'T GETTING DICTATED TO US, EVEN THOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE HAVING.I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ROOM FOR US TO EXPRESS OUR, OUR THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS.
SINCE THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO WITH THAT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN SUPPORT SAY I HI, I ANY BEFORE I SAY OPPOSED.
MISS ROGERS, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
NO. OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
WE'LL NOW ENTERTAIN ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON THE FLOOR.
WELL, I JUST GOING TO SAY CHAIR THAT I HAVE, I AM NOT GOING TO BE BRINGING UP, EVEN THOUGH I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND MINIMUM LOT SIZE REFORM, I'M NOT GOING TO BE BRINGING IT TO THIS COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME.
SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD HOPE PERSONALLY THAT THE STATE CONSIDERS THAT AS A STATEWIDE INITIATIVE TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MORE HOUSING STOCK AND HELP WITH HOUSING PRICES STATEWIDE.
AND I HOPE THAT OUR CITY WILL, WILL LOOK AT THAT AS A, AS A LOCAL PRIORITY.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT I WOULD ENTERTAIN IF SOMEONE ELSE DID.
BUT I'M NOT MAKING THAT TODAY.
IF I CAN ADD, THIS ITEM DID COME UP DURING THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AND WHILE I DON'T KNOW, IT'S UP TO THE WILL OF THE BODY IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE IT OUTRIGHT IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, OR IF WE'RE JUST HANGING IT UNDER NO PREEMPTION OF LOCAL CONTROL, BUT KNOW THAT IT WILL LIKELY COME UP. COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.
THANK YOU. I DO BELIEVE IN LOCAL CONTROL, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD ALWAYS BE OUR GUIDING LIGHT.
I'LL COMMEND CHAIR WEST FOR NOT BRINGING THIS UP.
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WE ALREADY HAVE A PATH FOR ADUS IN DALLAS.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS.
I WAS JUST GOING TO REITERATE THAT WE DO HAVE A PROCESS.
AND IN FACT, OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT APPROVES ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
BUT I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE BY NOT BRINGING IT UP.
IT'S JUST THAT THERE'S A PROCESS THAT ALLOWS SOME NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT AND USUALLY IS MOVING FORWARD.
SO IT IS HAPPENING MAYBE JUST NOT IN A BROAD SWEEP.
THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY.
WE'LL NOW GO TO OUR LAST ITEM UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. I. I THINK THAT'S J IS I IS ABOUT THE RIGHT CHOICE CONTRACT.
I WAS GOING TO DO I JUST TO JUST TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THIS ONE.
THIS IS THE ONE I'M BRINGING IT BACK TO, TO REALLY DELAY THIS ONE INDEFINITELY.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, EVEN IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, THIS CONTRACT AT THIS POINT IS KIND OF IT'S FORGET THE WORD STALE OR OUTDATED IN TERMS OF HOW LONG IT'S BEEN OUTSTANDING.
SO IN EITHER CASE, THIS IS GOING TO BE DELAYED INDEFINITELY.
COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS. WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT GIVES ME CONCERN.
BECAUSE WE DID DELAY FOR THREE MONTHS.
SO SOME ENGAGEMENT COULD OCCUR.
I ATTENDED TWO OF THE FOUR MEETINGS.
AND SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE.
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I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO GO IN DEPTH IN THIS, AND PERHAPS YOU AND I SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND IT, BUT THIS IS A CITYWIDE PROJECT, AM I RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS NOT JUST A DISTRICT PROJECT.I MEAN, ALL OF THESE THIS IMPACTS DISTRICT THREE.
SO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT.
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT.
WE'RE GOING TO NOT STAND AT EASE FOR FIVE MINUTES.
THANK YOU. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
THERE'S NO BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.
OFFERING. ANYONE WANTS A RESTROOM BREAK.
ACTUALLY, YOU CAN'T LEAVE, MAN.
WHERE'S LUNCH? WHAT AM I WALKING? OH.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M SHIVERING. IT'S 67 DEGREES AND 64% HUMIDITY.
I MEAN, I AM REALLY DO IT EVERY SINGLE.
OKAY. THE TIME NOW IS 1216, AND WE'LL BE CONTINUING BUSINESS.
YES. I'D JUST LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO THIS BODY FOR MY OUTBURST.
DIRECTOR CROSSLEY, IF YOU CAN GO OVER WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US AND A TIMELINE AND NEXT STEPS, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
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YES. THANK YOU.CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, DIRECTOR OF OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
SO, THE RIGHT CHOICE GROUP MOTION WAS BROUGHT FORWARD IN DECEMBER.
ORIGINALLY, I BELIEVE IT WAS DECEMBER, AND IT WAS ASKED TO BRING IT BACK IN MARCH.
AND SO AT THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO MADE THE MOTION, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY, AT THAT COUNCIL MEETING MOVED IT FORWARD AFTER DISCUSSION AT HHS TO JUNE BECAUSE THE GUIDANCE OF THE BODY AS A WHOLE WAS TO GO FORTH AND HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY HAS DONE.
AND SO AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT WAS PUSHED TO JUNE, IT HAS TO COME FORWARD ON JUNE 26TH.
SO THIS IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S COMING ON THE 26TH.
AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY, BECAUSE HE MADE THE MOTION COULD THEN PUSH IT OFF TO AUGUST OR SAY, LET'S BRING IT BACK IN SEPTEMBER OR COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUSH IT OFF INDEFINITELY SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE READY TO BRING IT BACK, YOU CAN, BUT YOU'RE NOT SETTING AN ARTIFICIAL TIMELINE THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE READY TO TO MAKE.
IT'S ALSO A VERY OLD PROCUREMENT AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO GO OUT AND RE PROCURE WITH A FRESH SET OF PROCESSES.
SO ONCE THIS BODY HAS DECIDED OR ONCE COUNCIL HAS DECIDED WHAT YOU WISH TO BE DONE, THEN WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCUREMENT IS PROPERLY ORIENTED IF IT'S STILL GOING TO BE USED. OKAY.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO AND IT IS COMING FORWARD ON BOTH OF THESE ARE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. SO THIS IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE COMING FORWARD ON WEDNESDAY AND ANSWER QUESTIONS LIKE THESE NOW.
THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.
THANK YOU. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULT SITUATION, HAVING LIVED THROUGH THE MIRAMAR FOR FOUR YEARS NOW THAT MY COLLEAGUE IS IN ON THIS, THIS PROPERTY ON THE ON THE WAY THIS AGENDA ITEM READS, IS THAT THE RIGHT CHOICE GROUP COULD HELP WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT, PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS, DESIGN, WHICH IS ALL STUFF THAT I THOUGHT THE COMMUNITY WANTED.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT MY FEELING IS ON IT.
SO ORIGINALLY PART OF THE DELAY WITH WITH THIS ONE WAS AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
AS FAR AS THE CONVERSATION WITH THE WORK SHE DID AROUND THE HAMPTON HOSPITAL, SHE DID A FINE JOB, AND THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING YOU KNOW, WITH THAT PART, THE PROBLEM WAS WE STARTED THIS CONTRACT WITHOUT ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS KIND OF OUT OF ORDER.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON I WANTED TO PULL BACK AND DELAY.
SO ONCE WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO FROM THERE, I STARTED SHIFTING IN.
MY INTENT WAS BECAUSE THERE'S A GREATER ISSUE ON THE INDEPENDENCE PROPERTY.
SO WITH ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS IN MIND, THE CONTRACT IS BASICALLY, EVEN IF WE WERE TO GO OUT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND REBID THIS TO KIND OF RESHAPE IT AROUND SOME TO INCLUDE THE CONVERSATION AROUND INDEPENDENCE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION STARTED INITIALLY.
THEN FROM THERE, JUST THE, THE IT EXPIRED.
SO A NEW PROCUREMENT IS NECESSARY, BUT ULTIMATELY THE ATTENTION WOULD BE ON INDEPENDENCE.
MAY I MAY I ADD A POINT OF INFORMATION? EVEN IF THE CURRENT CON EVEN IF THE CURRENT CONSULTANT WAS USED FOR THE PROJECT, LET'S SAY IT'S SOLD OR IT'S SOMETHING, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE ORIGINAL SCOPE.
SO WE WOULD STILL WANT TO RE PROCURE.
AND IT'S BASED ON THE, THE DIRECTION THAT IS GIVEN.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION YET.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING HERE WAS WE ALL KNOW HOW THIS LAUNCHED.
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REALLY COULD TOUCH ON ALL THE POINTS AND ALSO.JUST HAVE THE ROBUST DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD WANT AS A BODY BEFORE DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE.
AND SO THAT'S THAT WAS THE ROLE I THOUGHT THAT THIS THIS CONTRACTED PERSON WOULD HAVE IS THAT THIS WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
BUT SO I THINK THE ORDER OF THIS MAY BE A LITTLE CONFUSED AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR MOST CONFUSING PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD LONG FOR IN THIS SITUATION IS JUST THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE OBJECTIVITY IN A MORE ROBUST COMMUNICATION OR CONVERSATION AROUND IT VERSUS A PRETTY NARROW FUNNEL.
NOW THAT'S FAIR, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE DID GO OUT AND WE HAD THE MEETINGS THE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAD FOUR OF THOSE MEETINGS.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH OUR SENIORS, AND THEN WE HAD A MEETING WITH OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WE HAD A MEETING WITH A COMPLETELY IN SPANISH.
SO WE HAD A SERIES OF FIVE MEETINGS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
AND AGAIN, THE CONSISTENCY AND WE KEPT IT OPEN.
AND I TRIED TO TO TRY TO BE AS OBJECTIVE AS I COULD IN THAT CONVERSATION.
I SURE YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE CONVERSATION DID NOT START IN.
IT STARTED WITH HOMELESSNESS IN MIND, AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE SURVEYS AND THINGS THAT WE PUT OUT THAT SAID THAT THEY WERE LEADING THE CONVERSATION. AND IN MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS REALLY THE CONVERSATION WAS LEADING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN YOU OPENED THE CONVERSATION WITH THE HOMELESS SOLUTIONS VERSUS HOUSING VERSUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VERSUS PARK AND RECREATION AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS REALLY OPEN UP THE SURVEY AND GET THE FEEDBACK TO REALLY UNDERSTAND NOT JUST PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, NOT JUST EVEN HOUSING, BUT WHAT COULD BE A GOOD PUBLIC PURPOSE USE THAT ALSO IMPACTS THE QUALITY OFFER, BRINGS QUALITY OF LIFE, INCREASES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS MEETING WAS ABOUT.
AND WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU HAVEN'T, I ENCOURAGE YOU, YOU ALL SHOULD.
BUT AT THIS POINT, HAVE A COPY OF THE BRIEFING.
YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 83J OF RECOMMENDATIONS, EVERYTHING FROM RECREATION TO ARTS AND CULTURE TO MEDICAL TO PUBLIC SAFETY, HOUSING, EDUCATION AND RECREATION.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN HERE.
SO I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH ANYTHING YOU'RE SAYING I WANT TO MAKE.
BE CLEAR WITH THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING IS, BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION IN THE COMMUNITY, FEEDBACK, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO GO BACK AND REVIEW, TO LOOK, TO SEE WHAT WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WE CAN HAVE TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE IDEAS.
SO THAT'S WHAT REALLY ALL THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. SO COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY MADE A MOTION.
AND I'M NOT SURE WE EVER GOT A SECOND.
CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? I DON'T KNOW THAT. THERE.
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IT CAN BE SENT TO COUNCIL WITH NO RECOMMENDATION.ANY DISCUSSION ON THE CURRENT MOTION? COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN.
NOT BEFORE WE BOUGHT IT, BUT SINCE WE BOUGHT IT.
WHAT THEY WANT ARE A VARIETY OF THINGS, LIKE HOUSING AND TRAILS.
ALTHOUGH THERE'S A GIANT PARK ACROSS THE STREET, TREES AGAIN, GIANT PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR A HOMELESS PURPOSE, WE DON'T NEED TO ENGINEER SOME OTHER PURPOSE.
WE NEED TO SELL THE LAND, USE THE PROCEEDS, AND ACTUALLY GET INDEPENDENCE OPEN.
WE'VE HAD THAT BUILDING SITTING THERE SINCE 2022 VACANT.
SO HERE WE CAN SOLVE TWO ISSUES AND JUST GET IT DONE.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE FUNDING TO ACTUALLY DO ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I JUST I WANT THAT MEMO TO GO AWAY OF ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN THAT AREN'T OPEN.
SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT HIM BECAUSE HIS COMMUNITY HAS SAID THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE VENDOR GO OUT THERE AND TALK WITH THEM.
WE'VE HAD THE CITY MANAGER GO OUT AND TALK WITH THEM.
WE'VE HAD ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE.
WELL GUESS WHAT? WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT ON OUR OWN.
SO LET'S JUST BE PRACTICAL HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T TALK TO THE COMMUNITY FIRST.
I DO THINK IT WOULD BE A COOL PROPERTY FOR FOR HOUSING, PEOPLE EXITING HOMELESSNESS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT BE A FACILITY FOR ESPECIALLY SENIORS.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT AND SO LIKE BE DONE.
YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF IMPORTANT ISSUES TO WORK ON.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA, RIGHT? SO CORRECT THAT WE COULD TAKE ACTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THAT AGENDA OR WOULD IT STAY ON THAT AGENDA? I BELIEVE IT STAYS ON THE AGENDA.
BUT THAT MIGHT BE AN ATTORNEY QUESTION.
YEAH, I MEAN, IT STAYS ON THE AGENDA, SO I GUESS IT'S JUST IN DISCUSSION.
HI. HANNAH MINTON WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION, PLEASE? WELL, IF SOMETHING'S ON WEDNESDAY'S AGENDA, THIS COMMITTEE COULDN'T DENY PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA OR PULL IT.
OKAY, WELL, I THINK THE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
I THINK IT WOULD STAY ON THE WEDNESDAY AGENDA.
YEAH, SO IT STAYS ON THE AGENDA.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AUCTION, I BELIEVE.
AND AND I LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY VOICED THAT I SEE THE POTENTIAL OF.
SOME THINGS WERE VOICED THAT REALLY WEREN'T FEASIBLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF ALLOWED TO BE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS.
AND SO I I THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE AN AUCTION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS AND ALL OF THAT WHICH JUST TANKS YOU AT AN AUCTION.
WE'VE GOT A MASSIVE BUILDING THAT WOULD PROBABLY COST $2 MILLION TO DEMO.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHEN THIS DISCUSSION IS HAPPENING.
THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS WHEN I SAW THIS, THAT IT JUST SAYS, HEY, THE NEXT STEPS ARE STILL COMING.
SO YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED A REAL COMING TOGETHER ON ALL THE POINTS ABOUT WHAT'S FEASIBLE AND WHAT'S NOT, AND HOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE ARE POSSIBLE EVEN IN THIS SCENARIO.
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BUT I DON'T SUPPORT WHATEVER ACTION THIS IS.I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME TO THE FULL BODY SO THAT A DECISION CAN BE MADE THERE, OR AT LEAST THE DISCUSSION COULD HAPPEN WITH THE FULL BODY, BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH INTEREST IN THIS LAST TIME.
CHAIR WEST, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I THINK THEY'RE GOOD, GOOD ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES ON THIS.
AND I THINK IT'S THIS IS A CITYWIDE PROJECT WHICH DEFINITELY IMPACTS DISTRICT THREE THE MOST.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AS A BODY.
NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
OKAY. WITH THAT THE MOTION IS CURRENTLY DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS TO THE FULL COUNCIL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY AYE. AYE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO FULL COUNCIL WITH NO RECOMMENDATION? I SO MOVE. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEIR SUPPORT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED TO TO DO THAT.
ANYWAYS WITH THAT, WE ARE NOW ON ITEM J.
CHAIR I'M GOING TO SAY ALL OF MY COMMENTS AND AND A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS, WHICH Y'ALL KNOW THE ANSWERS TO, BUT I'VE GOT TO HAVE TO LAY IT ALL OUT FOR THE COMMUNITY ON WEDNESDAY, SO I'LL SAVE MOST OF THAT FOR WEDNESDAY.
SO JUST BE PREPARED TO BEAR WITH ME, PLEASE.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS.
SO ONE OF MY FRUSTRATIONS WITH MY COMMUNITY AND WITH MYSELF IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO THE WHO'S GOING TO BE THE OPERATOR, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS NOW SAINT JUDE BECAUSE OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
AFTER THE VOTE IN THE MORNING, ASSUMING IT PASSES IN, SAINT JUDE'S IS AWARDED THE CONTRACT.
OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH IS, I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT, AND THERE'S ISSUES THAT CITY ATTORNEY ARE PRETTY MUCH FINALIZING NOW.
ON THE SUP, THE THE PLAN COMMISSION VOTED FOR A FIVE YEAR SUP NON AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
SO THEY'VE GOT TO COME BACK IN PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AND FILE AGAIN.
HAS THE OPERATOR GIVEN US ANY INDICATION IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
IF THEY I MEAN I'M SURE THEY'D LOVE TO HAVE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, BUT IS IT A DOABLE PROJECT FOR THEM? FINANCE ON THE FINANCING SIDE, KNOWING THEY MAY HAVE TO COME BACK IN FOUR YEARS AND FILE AGAIN THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE VENDOR? YES, IT IS PROBLEMATIC.
IT DOES IT INCREASES RISK BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AT ANY TIME.
THEY ARE OBTAINING DEBT FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN CONVERSATIONS WITH LENDERS.
SO IT IS A PROBLEMATIC SITUATION THAT THE VENDOR IS LOOKING TO WORK WITH.
BUT IT'S NOT IDEAL THAT THAT'S BEEN MY COMMUNICATION.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR.
WHETHER IT'S I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IN A PERFECT WORLD WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, BUT IF IT'S DOABLE THE WAY IT IS, I'M GOING TO BE LEANING TO SUPPORT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMPROMISED ON THIS.
WHAT ELSE? I THINK THAT'S MOSTLY IT.
THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP BY THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN LOTS OF EMAILS THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN GETTING, AND THAT IS OUR ANTI-DISCRIMINATION POLICY, BOTH FOR FAIR HOUSING AND ALSO THE CITY'S POLICY.
NOT THAT SAINT JUDE'S IS DOING THAT.
THERE'S JUST A FEAR THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN.
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WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH THAT AND WHY THAT IS DEEMED NECESSARY BY SAINT JUDE'S.AND THEN ALL THE TYPICAL STUFF LIKE LIGHTING, SECURITY, ALL THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO COME OUT.
AND SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS.
JUST WANT YOU TO BE VERY PREPARED FOR THAT.
BECAUSE WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH IT.
THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE SUP THAT WAS APPROVED AND THE UNIT COUNT THAT'S THERE.
NOW THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE UNITS, DOES THAT SUP COVER UP TO THE 40 SOMETHING UNITS? COUNCIL MEMBER. MORENO.
I WAS PLANNING URBAN DESIGN SAID AT THE CPC MEETING WHEN THE CASE IS PRESENTED THE ORIGINAL SUP THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2022 DID NOT HAVE A FLOOR OR CEILING FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT'S SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS JUST THE DESIGN THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED BY THE PROPOSED OPERATOR AT THE TIME, CITY SQUARE.
SO THERE WAS NO FLOOR CEILING IN THAT SDP.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. SEEING NONE.
THE TIME NOW IS 1238, AND WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.