[Landmark Commission Meeting on July 1, 2024]
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WELCOME TO THE JULY MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IT IS JULY 1ST AT ONE OH SIX, AND I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, ONE OF OUR FIRST ORDERS OF BUSINESSES WILL BE TO CHOOSE A VICE CHAIR FOR TODAY, SINCE OUR VICE CHAIR IS OUT OF TOWN.
UM, BUT WE WILL BEGIN OUR MEETING AS USUAL BY CALLING THE ROLE, WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT OF COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
OH, LET ME MENTION, UH, COMMISSIONER SPELL DISTRICT EIGHT WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
OH, LET'S DO COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
IS, IS ONLINE AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER OFFIT PRESENT WHO WAS HERE.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT.
I DO NOT SEE COMMISSIONER OFFIT, BUT I PRESUME HE MAY BE HAVING ELECTRONIC DIFFICULTIES AS HAS BEEN HAPPENING TODAY.
ALRIGHT, LET US BEGIN, UH, WITH MY ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS.
I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPOINT, UH, COMMISSIONER POSI TO BE VICE CHAIR FOR THE DAY.
LET US CALL FOR OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS, OF WHICH I KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE SPEAKING ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA ALREADY.
MR. SER, PLEASE MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS ON.
THERE SHOULD BE A LIGHT SHOWING IT'S ON, AND YOU BEGIN BY TELLING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 2 1 5 NORTH LAKE DRIVE, THE OLD LAKE HIGHLANDS.
AND WE STILL HAVE OUR TRASH OUT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES TOO, ON THE WINDSTORM.
YESTERDAY, PRESERVATION DALLAS HAD ITS ANNUAL MEETING, AND AT THAT MEETING WE SELECTED OUR NEW BOARD FOR THE YEAR.
AND OUR OFFICERS, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME AS THEIR NEW PRESIDENT.
AND I THOUGHT FOR MY OFFICIAL DUTY, FIRST ONE, I WOULD COME SAY HELLO TO Y'ALL AND INTRODUCE MYSELF AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANT, DIFFICULT, SOMETIMES AND YET FASCINATING WORK THAT YOU GUYS GET TO DO.
AND, UM, AS THE YEAR PROGRESSES, WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO HELP YOU WITH THAT WORK.
UM, AND JUST AGAIN, WANTED TO COME SAY HI AND INTRODUCE MYSELF SO THAT, THAT'S IT.
AND I'M SURE EVERYONE WILL IMMEDIATELY GET READY TO CALL YOU WITH ANY CONCERNS THEY MAY HAVE.
PRESERVATION DOLLARS IS A GOOD FRIEND OF OURS.
THEY CAN OFTEN DO ADVOCACY EFFORTS AND RESEARCH AND THINGS THAT HELP OUT WITH THE ENTIRE PROGRAMS. BYE-BYE.
UH, NOW, COMMISSIONER PRESI, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?
I WOULD HAVE A MOTION TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWING.
WE'D HAVE TO DO THE CONSENT AGENDA FIRST.
I HAD MOTION THAT WE 'CAUSE ALL THE APPROVE ALL THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SECOND, I BELIEVE THAT WAS COMMISSIONER REEVE'S SECONDING THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANYBODY WHO WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WHILE IT'S ALREADY DONE
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AND YOUR CONGRATULATIONS,UM, NOW SECOND MOTION TO REARRANGE OUR SCHEDULE.
I DO REFLECT THOSE WHO THOSE ITEMS WHICH HAVE THE MOST SPEAKERS WILL GO FIRST.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO WAIT EXCESSIVELY.
SO WE'RE GOING, UH, I MOTION TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWING.
WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, CR ONE, COURTESY REVIEW ONE, COURTESY REVIEW TWO, UH, D 2D NINE, D 1D 3D SIX D SEVEN CURSORY REVIEW THREE, CURSORY REVIEW, FOUR D, FOUR D EIGHT, AND D FIVE SECOND.
AND THAT WAS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN WHO SECONDED.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
THAT MEANS THE FIRST CASE WE WILL HEAR IS CR ONE.
IF STAFF WILL PLEASE INTRODUCE US TO THAT I.
ITEM CR ONE IS SEVEN 15 NORTH MARCELLUS AVENUE IN THE LAKE CLIFF, HISTORIC DISTRICT C 2 34 DASH 0 2 0 MW.
AND I'M MARCUS WATSON SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A, A COURTESY REVIEW FOR A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.
NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT BE CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
UM, WE HAVE NOT YET A, WE HAVE NOT YET APPOINTED A COMMISSIONER TO READ THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN FOR BEING SO HELPFUL.
TEACHERS PET NOW BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WAS GONNA RAISE THEIR LITTLE HAND.
ONE CR ONE TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED.
GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IF CONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY.
NEED NEW FRONT DOORS REWORK CONCEPT INTO ALL ONE BUILDING.
DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CRAFTSMAN.
AND I DID NOT NOTICE IT, BUT COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS LEFT THE ROOM RECUSING HIMSELF ON THIS ITEM.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE OR ONLINE.
ANYBODY HERE? ZA ZA PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU COULD HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT IF YOU WISH, OR WOULD YOU PREFER LET HIM GO FIRST? OKAY, THEN
HE IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING YET, BUT I'M TRYING TO SEE HIM.
WE DO HAVE TO SEE AN ONLINE SPEAKER.
CAN WE GET A PICTURE ONLINE? IT IS A STATE REQUIREMENT THAT PEOPLE SPEAKING AT A PUBLIC MEETING, AT A DISTANCE BE SEEN ON CAMERA.
WHO'S THE PERSON THAT I'M SEEING THE BACKUP? WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY ANYBODY YET, BUT COMMISSIONER OFFIT HAS JOINED THE MEETING TOO.
LET'S, LET'S MENTION THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS, THERE APPEARS TO BE SOMEBODY AT THE PODIUM.
OH YES, HE'S HERE, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR SOMEONE WHO'S ONLINE TOO.
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COULD YOU CHECK AND MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE'S ON THERE SHOULD BE A, A LIGHT.I SEE THAT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION UP ON THE SCREEN.
UM, MR. KANORA, ARE YOU THERE? HE'S THERE, BUT HE SAYS HE CAN'T UNMUTE HIMSELF.
THEY SAID YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK.
ARE YOU ABLE TO UNMUTE NOW? STAFF SAYS THEY HAVE FIXED THE PROBLEM.
PLEASE BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS RIGO GRANA AND I LIVE ON THREE 90 EAST, APARTMENT ONE 30, UH, EAST ELCON WALL, DALLAS, TEXAS.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR, YOU ARE GONNA NEED TO SPEAK UP 'CAUSE WE COULD BARELY HEAR YOU.
AND FIRST I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHTYY, YOU CAN HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US FURTHER INFORMATION ON YOUR PROJECT, AND PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO SPEAK UP OR WRITE IN YOUR MICROPHONE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THE TECHNICAL STUFF.
I'M GONNA TRY MY BEST TO, TO KEEP A GOOD VOLUME.
LET ME KNOW IF THIS IS BETTER.
UH, I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THE SCREEN, BUT, UH, WE
DO YOU WANT IT? YOU CAN TAKE CONTROL.
WE CAN, UH, WE CAN JUST KIND GIVE YOU, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN, IN THIS TYPE PLAN.
UH, WE SUBMITTED A SET OF PLANS ORIGINALLY WHERE WE, WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND, UH, WE HAD A DRIVEWAY COMING THROUGH THE CENTER.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TASK FORCE WAS THAT WE SHOULD APPROACH THIS TO TRY TO BLEND IN BETTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY TRYING TO MAYBE BRING THE DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE AND KEEP THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING AS ONE ENTIRE BUILDING.
THAT'S HOW THE REST OF THE, THE MULTIFAMILIES THAT ARE IN OUR SURROUNDINGS ARE, HAVE BEEN DESIGNED.
SO WE REWORKED OUR DESIGN TO TRY TO MIMIC WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR SURROUNDINGS IN OUR BLOCK.
WE ALSO CHANGED THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE TO TRY TO REFLECT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, SPECIFICALLY A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING THAT IS IN LAKE CLIFF, WHICH IS LAKE TOWER, UH, CLIFF TOWER.
AND SO WE CHANGED THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE TO A MORE GEORGIAN STYLE WITH A VERY STRONG SYMMETRY HAPPENING.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOOK LIKE A THREE STORY BUILDING OR A FOUR STORY BUILDING BY THAT MATTER.
AND SO WE DO HAVE THIS LOTS ELEVATOR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE, UH, STREET LEVEL.
AND WE DECIDED TO DO GEORGIAN ARCHITECTURE, SO WE CAN USE THE ATTIC AS LIVABLE SPACE AS WELL.
WE, WE'LL BE BRINGING THE DRIVEWAY THROUGH THE SIDE AND IT'LL BE GOING UP AND EVENTUALLY THAT DRIVEWAY IS GONNA START SLOPING DOWN.
AND THROUGH THE BACK WE'RE GONNA COME INTO A, BASICALLY LIKE AN UNDERGROUND GARAGE.
AND ALL THE GARAGES FOR EACH ONE OF THE UNITS ARE GONNA BE THROUGH THAT, UH, BACK ENTRANCE IN A WAY.
AND SO THE BUILDING ITSELF THROUGH THE STREET, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH A TWO STORY BUILDING, BUT IN REALITY, YOU'LL HAVE THESE THREE STORIES WITH THE ATTIC SPACE BEING USED AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, SO WE ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH HOW THE PROCEDURES ARE.
SO WE'RE DEFINITELY HERE, UH, TO, TO GET BETTER EXPERIENCE AND COMMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, Y'S HELP AND GUIDANCE THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
NOW, AT THIS TIME, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, WHO HAS QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT REGARDING THEIR PROJECT, THEIR, UM, PROJECT.
REMEMBER WE'RE DOING A COURTESY REVIEW.
SO, UM, THIS IS COLLABORATIVE.
UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF IT TODAY.
WE ARE GOING TO, UM, HOPEFULLY SEND 'EM AWAY WITH WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT IT, WHAT WE THINK THEY MIGHT CONSIDER CHANGES IN ORDER TO MAKE IT MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO, TO OFFER COMMISSIONER NO.
TO THE DESIGN, UM, PARTICULARLY ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME CRITICAL THINGS THAT, THAT IF YOU ARE GOING FOR A, A GEORGIAN, UH, APPEARANCE OF THE ARCHITECTURE, THAT THERE ARE, UH, OTHER PIECES THAT YOU NEED TO, TO TRY AND WATCH.
UM, PARTICULARLY THE, UM, THE CORNICE, THAT'S WHERE THE ROOF MEETS THE WALL.
UM, THERE'S TYPICALLY A LOT MORE DETAIL THERE THAN, THAN WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING.
THE, THE FREEZE, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST VERTICAL PIECE IMMEDIATELY UNDERNEATH THE ROOF WOULD BE MORE PROMINENT.
UM, ALSO PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR FRONT PORCH.
UM, GENERALLY YOU WOULD SEE A, A PEDIMENT THERE RATHER THAN A HIP ROOF.
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ARE PRETTY FAR APART, SO LOOK AT THE STUDY, THE PROPORTIONS OF THAT.AND THERE'S COUNTLESS, UM, EXAMPLES THAT YOU CAN FIND JUST BY GOOGLING GEORGIAN ARCHITECTURE, UM, TO, TO PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
BUT THOSE ARE, UM, THE TWO OR THREE THAT I WOULD, I WOULD OFFER THAT YOU SPEND SOME TIME STUDYING.
THOSE ARE, UH, REALLY GOOD COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE CORNICE WORK.
UM, ARE WE ALLOWED TO USE MOLDINGS TO REFLECT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AND DO WE PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF THOSE MOLDINGS, OR DO WE HAVE TO PICK ONE IN PARTICULAR AND SHOW YOU, UH, WHAT COMPANY WE'RE WORKING WITH? AND THE DESIGN ITSELF OF THE, THE CORNICE WORK? IT'S MORE THE PROPORTION.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE, A VERTICAL SPACE BETWEEN THE HEADS OF THE WINDOWS AND, UM, AND EFFECTIVELY THE SOFFIT.
UM, IT'S, IT JUST NEEDS TO A LITTLE BIT MORE PROPORTION THERE.
AND, AND I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THE PROPORTIONS FOR THE COLUMNS ON THE ENTRANCE AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY SEEM A LITTLE BIT FARTHER APART.
I WAS TRYING TO, BECAUSE THE, THE FACE ITSELF IS VERY HORIZONTAL, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO BRING IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO PROVIDE A MORE STRONGER VERTICAL, UH, MOVEMENT THROUGH IT.
SO I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THOSE PROPORTIONS FOR JORDAN ARCHITECTURE.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO CHATTY THIS MORNING AND YET? NOT NOW.
UM, ARE YOU, UH, WELL, HOW IS THE PARKING SITUATION? ARE YOU ABLE TO PARK THIS PROPERTY PER, PER DALLAS'S UH, BUILDING CODE? UH, SO THE PARKING, YES.
WE ARE PROVIDING TWO, UH, PARKING SPOTS PER UNIT, WHICH IS AS PER CODE.
SO IF YOU GO INTO THE FIRST FLOOR OF, UH, THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE RIGHT THERE.
THE SIDE PLAN HAS LIKE TWO AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COME IN THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE AND THEN YOU WILL ACCESS ALL THE GARAGES UNITS, UH, BASICALLY AND AN UNDERGROUND PARKING.
UH, BUT EACH ONE OF THEM ARE INDIVIDUAL.
AND THEN WE ARE PROVIDING GUEST PARKING ON THE, UH, BACKSIDE OF THE LOT AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THE STAIRS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THESE UNITS AT THE SECOND FLOOR IS GONNA HAVE INDIVIDUAL ACCESS THROUGH THE SIDE.
THE TWO FRONT UNITS ARE GONNA HAVE A SHARED FOYER, SO WE CAN MIMIC THAT, UH, ONE ENTRANCE RATHER THAN HAVING TWO ENTRANCES.
SO ONCE YOU'RE COMING INTO THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE, ON THE CORNER UNIT, THE FRONT UNIT, YOU'RE GONNA SPLIT INTO THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT.
BUT THE OTHER UNITS TOWARDS THE BACK, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SIDE ENTRANCES.
UH, EACH UNIT IS ALSO ACCESSED THROUGH THE GARAGE.
THEY HAVE A STAIR, LIKE YOU'LL COME THROUGH THE GARAGE AND THEN GO INTO A SMALL FOYER AND THEN UP THE STAIRS AS WELL.
AND WE ARE PROVIDING TWO SPOTS PER UNIT, PLUS ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE BACK.
AND DO THEY HAVE EXPRESS VOLUMES BEING, UH, DIVISIONS GONNA BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS? I, UH, I'M SORRY, YOU GOT A LITTLE CUT, CUT OVER.
THE WIND, THE WINDOWS WILL BE WOOD WINDOWS, I'M ASSUMING.
AND THE IONS, THE WILL BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASSY DIVIDERS OF THE SMALLER WINDOWS WILL BE ON THE OUTSIDE.
WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THEN TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHENEVER WE PROVIDE WINDOWS WINDOW DETAILS.
AND THE LAST QUESTION ON THE SIDE ELEVATIONS, IT SHOWS SOME STUCCO AROUND THE DOORS THAT MAY BE BETTER TO BE BRICK.
THE STUCCO LOOKED A LITTLE AWKWARD TO ME.
WE WERE TRYING TO GET A, LIKE A CAST ON FIELD TO IT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY ADJUST THAT TO, UH, BRICK AS WELL.
I THINK THE LAKE CLIFF IS USING BOTH LIKE CAST ON AND, UH, BRICK TO DO THE SMALL POP OUTS ON THE CORNERS, AND WE CAN DEFINITELY MIMIC THE BRICK ONE AS WELL.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR I HAD A QUESTION.
ON THE ELEVATION, IS THE, THE SKIRT AROUND THE FOUNDATION, IS THAT SORT OF BRUSH CONCRETE OR WHAT IS THAT MATERIAL? IT LOOKS LIKE A CONCRETE THERE ON THE, ON THE VERY BOTTOM.
UH, WE ARE DOING CONCRETE AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF TEXTURE AGAIN TO MIMIC SOME KIND OF, UH, CUSTOM WITH IT, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE RETAINING WALL BY NATURE BY NATURE, SINCE WE'RE GOING UNDERGROUND TO BE ABLE TO HOLD, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE GARAGES ENCLOSED KIND OF THING.
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PRELIMINARY, UH, STUDIES, THE GRADE ITSELF IS GONNA BE, IN COMPARISON TO THAT SECOND FLOOR, THERE'S ABOUT LIKE TWO FEET DIFFERENCE OR THREE FEET DIFFERENCE OR SO, SO WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THAT BASE AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WE HAVE A, A CUSTOM BASE.AND THEN THE BUILDING ABOVE THAT, UM, ARE WE, IS, IS THAT OKAY OR SHOULD WE CHANGE THE MATERIAL? MAYBE BRING THE BRICK ALL THE WAY DOWN? I, I THINK THE CONCRETE IS OKAY.
I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE SLOT.
UM, YOU'RE SHOWING SOME SLOTTED VENTS, I BELIEVE, AND I'M CURIOUS, IS THAT INTENDED TO BE VENTILATING THE GARAGE OR IS THAT, UM, FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE? I SEE, UH, THOSE ARE SMALL WINDOWS JUST TO KIND OF BRING SOME SMALL NATURAL LIGHT INTO THE GARAGES, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO THEREFORE MIMIC LIKE A VENT GOING INTO A CRAWL SPACE UNDERNEATH, UH, UNDERNEATH THE SLAB, UH, BY, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE.
BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE ACTUAL WINDOWS THAT GO INTO THE GARAGE.
I HAVE ANOTHER SUGGESTION ON THE, THE FOUNDATION WINDOWS.
THE PROPORTION WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU COULD MAKE THEM TALLER.
IN OTHER WORDS, DROP THE SILL RATHER THAN RAISE THE HEAD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THEY'RE TOO NARROW RIGHT NOW HORIZONTALLY.
UM, IF IT WAS MORE LIKE A TWO TO ONE PROPORTION, IN OTHER WORDS, TWICE AS WIDE AS IT IS TALL, UM, I THINK IT'LL BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAT WAY.
AND WE WERE TRYING TO MIMIC THE WIDTH ON THE, WE WINDOWS ABOVE IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I CANNOT MAKE IT TALLER.
I MEAN, IF, UH, IF THEY LOOK AWKWARD, UH, ON, IN THEIR GONNA HAVE TO TAKE HIM OFF JUST BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE ABOUT SIX INCHES FROM THE TOP OF THE CEILING RIGHT.
ABOUT WHERE THOSE WINDOWS ARE AT.
SO IF I'M MAKE ANY TALLER, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA HIT THE, THE FLOOR.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING TO DROP THE SILL RATHER THAN RAISE THE HEAD.
AND PUT 'EM KIND OF LIKE CLOSER TO THE GROUND.
YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS JUST AFRAID HOW, YOU KNOW, SPLASH CAN WORK, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THAT WORK.
UH, ONE MORE COMMENT ON THE PORCH.
I NOTICED THE STAIRS COME DOWN THE SIDE RATHER THAN TOWARD THE FRONT.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE BUILDING LINE COMING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S ONE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD WAS THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE IN MOST OF THEM, THE STOOPS ALWAYS GO TO THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN TO THE SIDES.
UH, I CAN SEE I CAN MAKE THAT WORK, UH, BY BRINGING THOSE TWO TO THE FRONT SO THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SIDE STEPS LIKE THAT.
UH, I DO, I DID, UM, CONTEMPLATE IT WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD BRING IT TO THE FRONT, BUT I WAS HAVING ISSUES WITH A LITTLE BIT OF THE GRADING SLOPING SO HARD TOWARDS THE, THE FRONT.
BUT, UH, I'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS A COMMENT? I CANNOT SEE PEOPLE AT HOME, SO IF YOU'RE RAISING YOUR HAND, I DON'T KNOW YOU'RE RAISING YOUR HAND.
WELL, IN THAT CASE, IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU ALL THE DIRECTION WE THOUGHT OF RIGHT NOW.
UM, DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T THINK OF SOMETHING WHILE WE'RE SLEEPING TONIGHT,
AND NEXT TIME YOU COME BACK WE MIGHT MENTION THAT, BUT, UM, I, I, I, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO BUILD IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FOR CHOOSING THIS KIND OF MANSION HOUSE LAYOUT.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY AN ADVISABLE ONE FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT SOME, SOME DEVELOPERS JUST DON'T WANNA DO IT FOR SOME REASON, BUT YOU SEEM TO HAVE EMBRACED IT, UM, FROM SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OBVIOUS FOR TODAY'S STANDARDS.
AND, AND I HOPE IT WORKS OUT REALLY WELL FOR YOU.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK WITH YOUR ACTUAL CA WHEN YOU'RE READY TO REALLY MOVE FORWARD.
ALL OF THESE COMMENTS, UH, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT, SO WE ARE DEFINITELY GONNA TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THEM IN AND PRESENT 'EM AGAIN.
IN REGARDS TO THE WINDOWS, UM, SOMEBODY MADE MENTION OF WOOD WINDOWS.
IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR HIM.
HE, HE MEANT WINDOWS ACTUALLY MADE OF WOOD THAT IS NOT THEN CLAD IN VINYL OR ALUMINUM OR ANYTHING.
SO THEY'RE JUST WOOD, LIKE THE OLD FASHIONED WINDOWS, LIKE ACTUAL WOOD WINDOWS? YEAH, ACTUAL WOOD WINDOWS.
AND WHERE YOU HAVE IT DIVIDED INTO SMALLER PANES ON THE, ON SOME OF THE WINDOWS, THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE PIECES OF WOOD DIVIDING ACTUAL SMALL PANES.
THEY MAKE FAKE ONES WHERE IT'S ONE BIG PIECE OF GLASS, ANOTHER BIG PIECE OF GLASS, AND A FAKE GRILL IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT LOOK FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT OF REAL WOOD CAREFULLY CRAFTED.
AND I KNOW THE BACK THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE NOT, MAY NOT BE LIKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THEY JUST LOOK SO MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE IN THE DISTRICT AND ON A BUILDING IN THE
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DISTRICT.IT'S ROSA ATE 7 3 0 0 GRINDSTONE COURT TON, TEXAS 7 6 0 0 2.
NEXT STEP IS COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER TWO.
NOW COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER TWO IS 1000 NORTH PEAK STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT C 2 34 DASH 0 2 1 MW.
THE REQUEST IS A COURTESY REVIEW OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT CREATED FROM THE LOSS OF THE PREVIOUS BUILDING TO FIRE STAFF.
NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT CREATED FROM THE LOSS OF THE PREVIOUS BUILDING DUE TO FIRE BE CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION REQUIRED.
COMMENTS NUMBER ONE, IT WAS CONFIRMED THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE SUPERSEDES LANGUAGE IN PD 2 98.
AS SUCH, THE BUILDING PROPOSED IS TOO TALL.
NUMBER TWO, PARKING IS INADEQUATE GIVEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED.
NUMBER THREE, THERE IS NO DEFINED STYLE TO THIS BUILDING.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT CHOOSE A STYLE.
FOR EXAMPLE, CRAFTSMAN PRAIRIE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS TYPICAL TYPICALLY ONE STORY BUNGALOW, A TWO AND A HALF STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, AND IN SOME INSTANCES A DUPLEX OR FOURPLEX.
THE ONLY APARTMENT BUILDINGS OF GREATER MASS THAN A FOURPLEX, WHICH ARE WITHIN THE PERIOD OF SIGN SIGNIFICANCE ARE VIOLA COURTS 48 45 SWISS SPANISH STEPS 48 0 6 SWISS, AND THE MULTIFAMILY AT 4,400 GASTON AVENUE.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT USE THESE STRUCTURES AS A, AN EXAMPLE OF THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE RATHER THAN BORROWING FROM MULTIPLE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.
NUMBER FOUR, IT WAS ALSO NOTED THAT THE PLANS CALL FOR A HARDY CEMENTITIOUS SIDING AND VINYL WINDOWS, NEITHER OF WHICH ARE CONSISTENT WITH OUR ORDINANCE.
WE URGE THE APPLICANT TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS TO WOOD ON WOOD AND TO CONSIDER ALL BRICK BUILDING OR TO CHANGE THE SIDING MATERIALS TO WOOD SIDING CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
CHOSEN NOTE, THE DESIGN HAS CHANGED SINCE TASK FORCE REVIEW.
ALRIGHTY, WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER AND I SEE TWO PEOPLE UP TO SPEAK.
WHICH ONE OF YOU IS BRIAN TILL? ALRIGHT.
AND IF THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU'RE JUST GONNA NEED TO FILL OUT ONE OF THOSE LITTLE YELLOW FORMS THAT'S OVER THERE THAT TELLS US WHO YOU ARE AND TURN THAT IN.
SO MR. TILL, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UH, BRIAN TILL 91 26 WHITEHURST DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 3.
UH, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH THAT THANK YOU.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.
SO WE CAN GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO START TO, UM, INFORM US ABOUT YOUR, UM, PROJECT.
DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION WE SHOULD BE PLAYING? UH, JUST WHAT'S ON THE, WHAT MARCUS IS TEED UP ON THE SCREEN.
SO MARCUS IS READY TO GO TO HELP YOU.
UM, ANYWAY, UM, ARCHITECT OF RECORD, UM, PROJECT, UM, AS NOTED, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY PROJECT ON THIS SITE.
UM, WE DO FEEL THAT THIS WILL BE A, UM, AN THIS WILL HELP THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS AREA, CERTAINLY THIS LOT IN PARTICULAR.
AND, UM, LEAD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, STRONGER NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, MORE TIED IN NEIGHBORHOOD AND AND SUCH.
UM, AFTER OUR, UH, MEETING WITH THE, UM, THE STAFF OR THE TASK FORCE, WE, UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT STYLES WE'RE KIND OF MESHING THE STYLES THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE ON PEAK AND THEN THE MORE PRAIRIE STYLE ON SWISS, UM, TOOK THE HEART, TOOK IT TO HEART TO, UH, FOCUS ON, UM, WHAT'S ALONG PEAK, AND THEN ALSO VIOLA COURTS AND THE OTHER PRECEDENTS THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO THEY'RE THE, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE AN UPDATED DESIGN.
UM, YOU WANNA MOVE TO THE CURRENT DESIGN.
UM, SO ANYWAY, UM, SO YEAH, SO WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IS THREE STORY ALL BRICK, UH, BRICK MASONRY, UH, PROJECT, UH, SIMILAR TO VIOLA CORD, THE EARLIEST 20TH CENTURY, UH, INDUSTRIAL, UH, QUASI RESIDENTIAL KIND OF LOOK.
UM, WE, AGAIN, WE FEEL LIKE SIZE AND PROPORTION OF OF VIOLA CORDS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
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UM, WE WOULDN'T OBVIOUSLY PUT A THREE STORY BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.UH, WE FEEL THE PEAK BEING ON THE EDGE AND THE GATEWAY SORT OF, OF THE OF PEAKS, UH, DISTRICT, UH, LENDS ITSELF TO THAT, THAT HEIGHT AND AND SIZE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, OR EVEN OUR NEIGHBOR ON THE NORTH IS ABOUT, WHICH IS A NON PERIOD BUILDING, THREE AND A HALF STORY BUILDING.
UM, SO AGAIN, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF HEIGHT, UH, PRECEDENT, NON PERIOD PRECEDENT ON THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF OUR, WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN, IN LINE WITH THE, UH, HEIGHT ISSUES AND CONCERNS.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, WHOSE NAME IS CHRIS AARON
ALRIGHT, SPEAKING NOW, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, JUST IN CASE I GOT IT WRONG.
AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO BE TRUTHFUL.
CHRIS AARON, UH, ADDRESS 1 3 7 4 7 MON DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
GO AHEAD WITH WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO TELL US.
SO, UH, I'M ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF CAP REAL ESTATE.
SO OUR BACKGROUND IS, WE DO URBAN INFILL BOUTIQUE PROJECTS.
UH, WE DO THEM THROUGHOUT THE METROPLEX.
WE HAVE 600 CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY.
UM, I'VE BEEN TO LANDMARK COMMISSION BEFORE FOR ANOTHER PROJECT ON NORTH MARSH ALI.
UH, WE UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE, BUT THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS IN AREAS WHERE WE THINK THE COMMUNITY IS THE AMENITY, NOT JUST HOW DO WE AMENITIZE OUR BUILDINGS, THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR FOCUS IS.
UM, THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE INTENT BEHIND THIS DESIGN TO WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THREE AND A HALF STORIES.
WE KNEW THAT WAS MOST LIKELY GONNA BE TOO TALL.
WE CAME DOWN TO THREE STORIES.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE BEING ON THE CORNER OF PEAK AND SWISS, IT'S A ACTUAL REALLY GREAT CORNER, UH, FOR TWO PROMINENT STREETS IN DALLAS.
UM, AND THEN TAKING TO HEART, YOU KNOW, THE TASK FORCE COMMENTS ON PICKET DESIGN, STAY TRUE TO THAT DESIGN, WE ENDED UP MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AS WELL WITH THIS PROJECT AND, AND SHAPING THE PROJECT ON AN L BASIS SO THAT WE HAVE FRONTAGE ON BOTH SWISS AND PETE.
UH, THOSE WERE ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO US IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, A, BEING ABLE TO SHIELD, SHIELD THE PARKING TOWARDS THE BACK.
UM, AND WE ARE PARKED PER DALLAS CODE, UH, OR DALLAS ZONING NOW.
SO, UH, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, RELIEVED AS WELL.
BUT, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A GREAT PICTURE SHOT HERE OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THE BUILDING IS IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE FEEL LIKE WE FIT IN WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE COMMUNITY, HOW WE CAN BRING RESIDENTS, UH, TO THE AREA THAT LIVE IN SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD BE PROUD TO LIVE IN FROM SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT.
AND, UM, NOW, UH, THIS IS AGAIN, A COURTESY REVIEW WHERE WE DISCUSS BACK AND FORTH AND A SPIRIT OF HELPFULNESS.
AND BEFORE I LET ANYBODY ELSE DO IT, I THOUGHT I'D JUST CHIP IN BECAUSE I'VE LIVED DOWN THE STREET 25 YEARS AND I WALKED PAST THIS BUILDING.
I, I I I, I WALKED PAST THIS SITE ALL THE TIME.
I MUST COMMEND YOU FOR HAVING COME TO US WITH A DESIGN THAT IS NOT JUST THE CURRENT WAY OF BUILDING APARTMENTS.
YOU TRIED TO CHANGE IT TO FIT IN WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP WITH THE THING THING THEY BUILT IN MONTREAL LAST YEAR AND, AND FIGURE IT WILL JUST WORK, WORK FINE FOR US.
UM, I I I THINK THAT THERE IS STILL CHANGES TO BE MADE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPATIBLE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT YOU CAN.
LET ME TELL YOU, I SUPPOSE, UM, VIOLA CORDTS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BUILDINGS AND IT'S A CERTAINLY A GREAT THING TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SOURCE.
UNFORTUNATELY, VIOLA CORDTS IS NOWHERE NEAR AS BIG AS THIS IS, SO IT MAKES IT A LITTLE HARD TO ADJUST TO ACTUALLY CAPTURE ITS AESTHETIC.
ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE WHEN YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT VIOLA CORDTS, THE WALL PLANES THEMSELVES TEND TO BE FAIRLY FLAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PORCHES IN AND OUT, BUT THE ENTRY PART IS A MORE SIGNIFICANT INDENTATION.
PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE WINDOWS THAT LOOK OUT INTO IT.
THAT'S ALSO TRUE OF SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE FURTHER DOWN SWISS BETWEEN YOU AND, AND VIOLA COURTS, THEY TEND TO FORM PAVILIONS WITH DEEPER ENTRY AREAS, BUT FLATTER WALL SURFACES, I KNOW THE FLAT WALL SURFACES ARE NOT WHAT PEOPLE LIKE THESE DAYS SOMETIMES IN AN APARTMENT, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT IS ALREADY A STAND THERE.
THE BUILDING NEXT TO YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE IT IS THE BIGGEST INTRUDER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE ONES FURTHER DOWN, EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE MODEST AND SIMPLE LIKE THE BUILDING THAT USED TO BE HERE, THEY MIGHT BE GOOD INSPIRATION TOO.
A NEW NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING DOESN'T WE'VE BEEN SAYING LATELY, JUST SO IT DOESN'T BE LESS CONTRIBUTING.
IT COULD JUST BE A MODEST, NICE BUILDING THAT DOESN'T INTERRUPT THE HISTORIC NATURE.
THE ONE THAT'S CAT A CORNER ACROSS FROM YOU IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NOBODY WARNED IT TO BE BUILT.
SO DO NOT TAKE IT AS YOUR, UM, YOUR SOURCE AT ALL.
SO EVERY TIME YOU THINK YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE THEM SAY, OH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T LIKE THAT, WE DON'T WANNA LOOK LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT GONNA MENTION THE HEIGHT ISSUE.
THAT'S UP TO OTHER PEOPLE SAYING, I'M JUST, JUST SAYING LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY AT THE STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY BUILDING, ESPECIALLY ALONG SWISH, YOU'VE GOT SO MANY EXAMPLES THERE OF A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT THAT YOU HAVE NOT QUITE ACHIEVED YET, BUT THEY COULD, COULD BE INFORMATIVE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE
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THE FANCIEST BUILDING ON THE BLOCK.YOU COULD JUST BE THE MOST COMFORTABLE, NICE BUILDING ON THE BLOCK.
WHO ELSE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY? COMMISSIONER POSI.
UM, WELL I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY'S COMMENTS THERE, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE AND THE SCALE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WORKING WITH SOME SMALLER BUILDINGS AROUND IT, SO I WANT TO SEE IF YOU COULD MAYBE LOOK AT VISUALLY, UM, MAYBE SEPARATING EACH OF THOSE FACADES AND HAVING SORT OF A, A BREAK.
IT CAN BE AN INDENTATION BACK A FOOT OR TWO THAT'LL GIVE YOU THAT SHADOW LINE.
SO IT LOOKED LIKE, IT LOOKED LIKE MAYBE TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF ONE LONG BUILDING.
AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE BREAKS IN THE CENTER.
YOU'VE GOT A A, A GOOD BREAK THERE ON PEAK STREET.
THE ONE ON, UM, SORRY, ON SWISS, THE ONE ON, ON PEAK'S A LITTLE GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT, BUT I DO LIKE THE, UH, INDENTATIONS OF THE BALCONIES HELP TO BREAK UP THAT MASSING.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE WALL, BUT MAYBE SEE IF YOU CAN BREAK IT UP A LITTLE MORE, UH, IN THE CENTERS TO MAKE 'EM, UH, LOOK A LITTLE SMALLER VISUALLY.
UM, I KNOW THE BUILDING WON'T BE SMALLER, BUT VISUALLY MAKE IT SMALLER TO HELP FIT WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DID WANT TO IN THAT AND YOU'RE PICKING UP ON IT ON A LONG PEAK AND BREAK THOSE MASSES THEMSELVES, UH, WITH THE BATHROOMS TO, UH, LIKE I SAID BY OWN COURSES, A NICE EXAMPLE.
WE ARE BIGGER THAN IT'S BECAUSE WE GO INSIDE OUT AND HAVE A FORKLIFT THERE NOT WITH PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND, BUT, BUT WE LEAN ON THAT.
I HAVE A COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
I LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.
AND I, I COMMEND YOU THAT YOU TOOK SOMETHING THAT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS INAPPROPRIATE, MADE INTO A REALLY NICE LOOKING PROPERTY.
UH, IF YOU'RE TAKING YOUR, UM, YOUR QUEUE FROM VITAL COURSE, THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THAT'S A THREE STORY BUILDING AND, AND WE NEED TO KIND OF KEEP WITH THAT KIND OF LOOK FOR THIS BUILDING AS A, AS A THREE STORY BUILDING.
UH, COME SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAD IS THE WINDOWS WE NEED TO DISCUSS FURTHER.
UH, THEY SHOULD BE WOOD AND SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE ONE PANE OF GLASS.
THEY NEED TO AT LEAST BE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS.
I DO LIKE THE VARIETY OF WINDOWS ON, ON THE BUILDING.
I THINK IT GIVES SOME, SOME DEFINITION, SOME BREAKS TO THE, THE MASSIVENESS OF IT.
UH, I DO REALLY LIKE THE BAY WINDOW YOU PUT ON PEAK STREET.
I THINK THAT IS VERY RESIDENTIAL LOOKING AND KEEPING WITH THAT, THAT TIME PERIOD.
SO YOU MIGHT CONSIDER PUTTING ANOTHER BAY WINDOW WHEN THEY ON SWISS OR, OR, OR MORE THE BAY WINDOWS, I THINK BREAK, UM, BREAK UP THE, THE MASS OF THE BUILDING AND ALSO PARAPETS WERE VERY IMPORTANT TO THESE FLAT BUILDINGS.
AND YOU HAVE SOME PARAPETS ON, NOT REALLY ON SWISS.
YOU MIGHT, UH, HAVE MORE PARAPETS AND MAYBE EVEN HAVE A LITTLE ARCH TO THE PARAPET TO GIVE IT SOME OF THAT STYLE.
UH, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.
YOU SAID YOU ARE BEING MARKET BY CITY CODE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
UM, THE OTHER THING I NOTICED THAT IT LOOKS, IT MAY HAVE A SLAB ON GRADE, TYPICALLY THESE PROPERTIES RAISE FOUNDATION AND STAIRS, SO YOU MIGHT ALSO GIVE THAT FEELING, 'CAUSE THAT WILL TAKE IT FROM LOOKING CONTEMPORARY AND GIVING IT MORE OF A HISTORICAL FEELING.
THAT'S, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND YOU WERE ON, ON THE WAY.
I ALSO DO AGREE THE BREAKING OF THE MASSIVE FACADES WITH SOME MORE, MORE INSET, STEEPER NOW TO BREAK UP THE MASS A LITTLE BIT.
ANYBODY ELSE, COMMISSIONER? NO.
UM, JUST WANTED TO ADD A FEW MORE DETAILS.
I APPRECIATE, UH, UM, ALL THE EFFORT THAT'S BEEN MADE TO, TO ARTICULATE THE ELEVATIONS.
UM, I THINK TO PICK UP ON, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S COMMENTS, UH, THERE WAS JUST A COUPLE MORE I WANTED TO ADD.
UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXAMPLES, UM, OTHERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, NEIGHBORS OF THIS BUILDING, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM IS THAT THE WINDOWS ARE MORE OF A, OF A PUNCH IN A, IN A PLANE RATHER THAN HAVING THE, UM, THE VERTICAL COLUMNS, YOU KNOW, UH, RUN ALL THE WAY AND BREAKING THE ROOF LINE.
SO IT'S ALMOST AN INVERSION OF THAT WHERE THE EFFECTIVELY THE COLUMNS ARE, THE EARS ARE LOWER THAN THE PARAPET.
AND I, I THINK JUST SWITCHING THAT PROPORTION MIGHT HELP YOU LOOK MORE, UH, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
UM, IN CONTRAST TO WHAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON MENTIONED, I FELT A LITTLE BIT, UM, I I FELT LIKE THERE WAS A LITTLE TOO MANY CHOICES ON THE WINDOW TREATMENTS, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU MIX THE DOORS IN TOO.
UM, I'M SEEING, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES.
AM I WRONG? THERE'S THE OVERALL,
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THERE'S THE ONE OVER ONE THAT HAS LIKE THE, WHAT IS IT, NINE, NINE OVER ONE, RIGHT? UH, BUT THEN THERE'S, SOME OF THE DOORS HAVE LIKE A TRIPLE, UM, ANYWAY, IT'S JUST CONFUSING.IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT AND, AND I MAYBE IF THERE WAS TWO, THE DOOR AND THEN THE, THE WINDOWS.
UM, I THINK ALSO ALONG WITH, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, THE, UM, WHAT HE WAS MENTIONING ABOUT TRYING TO CREATE A, A PLINTH OR A, UM, UH, EFFECTIVELY A FLOOR TO LIFT EVERYTHING UP.
MAYBE ONE WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE EXAMPLE YOU, UM, YOU'RE SHOWING HERE AT NINE 14 AT NORTH PEAK WHERE, UM, EFFECTIVELY IT'S LIKE, LIKE A CAST STONE OR FOUNDATION.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE CASTSTONE, IT COULD BE JUST PAINTED CONCRETE, BUT IT, IT CREATES LIKE A FOOT ON THE BUILDING RATHER THAN JUST HAVING THE, THE BRICK COME ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND.
UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE RETAIL CORNER TOO, WHERE THAT ARTICULATION IS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
I THINK, UM, UM, THE ARTICULATION OF RETAIL AS OPPOSED TO A RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS, IS QUITE NICE.
SEE, I CAN EVEN IMAGINE, UM, SOME CANVAS AWNINGS ON, ON SOME OF THOSE STOREFRONTS.
THAT WOULD BE A REALLY NICE DETAIL TO ADD.
TO BE CLEAR THAT IF THAT READ RETAIL, IT'S REALLY A KIND OF PROBLEM.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THAT I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SHARED HERE TODAY AND THINK YOU'RE REALLY LUCKY YOU GOT A LOT OF GOOD INPUT TODAY.
I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS CORNER AND I HAVE ADMIRED 43 0 3 SWISS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND I'VE BEEN INSIDE AND MARVELED WITH THAT STRUCTURE.
AND I THINK IF YOU ADHERE TO A LOT OF THESE SUGGESTIONS, WHAT YOU'LL HAVE WILL BE A PROJECT THAT I THINK WILL PAY, UM, A STRONGER, MORE RESPECTFUL TRIBUTE TO 43 0 3 BECAUSE IT'S A GLORIOUS BUILDING AND I THINK IT BEING THERE WILL ENHANCE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY AT HOME? I CAN'T SEE YOU.
WE SEEM TO HAVE RUN OUT OF WISDOM THAT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING TO US TODAY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE LIKE THE EFFORT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT IN TO TRY TO FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND SO YOU'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF AND, AND THEY CAN PROBABLY GUIDE YOU IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS ABOUT, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT ON EARTH DID THOSE PEOPLE MEET.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME, SOME MORE INSIGHT ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL LOOK TO SEE YOU BACK AGAIN WHEN YOU'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD MORE.
AND I JUST OFF, UH, OUR PERSONAL CONCERN, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA CLEAR UP THE FIRE REMAINS? I CAN STILL SMELL THE ASHES WHEN I GO BY THERE.
I'M LIKE, AM I, AM I HURTING MY LUNGS BY WALKING HERE?
UM, BUT I'M NOT, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK IT SHOULD GET CLEARED UP, SO I I HOPE SO.
'CAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM THERE.
OKAY, NEXT UP IN OUR REARRANGE AGENDA IS D TWO.
D TWO CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF 7 0 2 NORTH GLASGOW DRIVE, GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 3 8 9 CM.
RE REQUEST REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ARCH TO THE FRONT FACADE REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE TRIM PAINT COLORS TO THE STUCCO SHERWIN WILLIAMS 70 76 CYBERSPACE AND TRIM.
SHERWIN WILLIAMS 69 93 BLACK OF NIGHT REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING PER LANDSCAPE PLAN DATED 5 23 20 24.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ARCH TO THE FRONT FACADE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 4.1 PERTAINING TO PROTECTED FACADES.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION BRIDE ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE TRIM PAINT COLORS TO STUCCO SHERWIN WILLIAMS 70 76 CYBERSPACE AND TRIM, SHERWIN WILLIAMS 69 93 BLACK OF NIGHT BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT
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WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 4.8 AND 4.9 PERTAINING TO FACADE PAINT COLORS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF.RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING PER LAND LANDSCAPE PLAN DATED 5 23 20 24 BE APPROVED.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.5 PERTAINING TO LANDSCAPING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ARCH TO THE FRONT FACADE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE PER 4.1 A AND E OF THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AS THERE APPEARS TO BE NO HISTORICAL EXISTING ARCH PORCH.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE TRIM PAINT COLOR TO STUCCOS W 70 76 AND TRIM SW 69 93 BLACK OF KNIGHT APPROVE PAINT COLORS BUT RECOMMENDS THE USE OF LIGHTER COLOR FOR THE NON TRIM ELEMENTS.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST OF FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING FOR LANDSCAPE PLAN DATE 5 23 20 24 BE APPROVED AS SHOWN.
WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE.
UM, THE FIRST IN THE LIST IS BETH ANN BLACKWOOD.
AND I JUST WANT TO, UH, INCLUDE THAT WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE ARCHITECT, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE YESTERDAY.
AND, UM, I KNOW WE CAN'T PRESENT IT, BUT PERHAPS BETH ANN COULD PROBABLY SHARE IT IF SHE, IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT, I CAN SHARE IT, BUT SHE CAN SPEAK TO IT.
IT'S, I JUST WANTED COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH US THOUGH.
YOU COULD EMAIL IT TO US ALL COULDN'T YOU? UM, NO, I CAN'T BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL YOUR EMAILS THAT DELAY
SO I DIDN'T WANNA JUST PUT IT UP WITHOUT PREFACE.
WELL LET, LET'S HAVE OUR SPEAKERS FIRST AND THEN THAT'S LIKE AN ADDITIONAL, BECAUSE I THINK THIS SPEAKS TO THE ARCH.
SO, ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH BETH ANN BLACKWOOD, ARE YOU THERE? NO, BETH ANN HAS NOT MADE IT.
SHE GOT CAUGHT IN ANOTHER MEETING.
YES, I'M UH, I WON'T BE REPRESENTING.
OKAY, WELL YOU WERE NEXT UP ON THE LIST.
SO, RON GUEST, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
UH, MY HOME ADDRESS OR MY ADDRESS THAT WE'RE WORKS FINE.
SECOND, UH, MY NAME IS RON GUEST, THE GUEST GROUP.
4 2 1 3 DICKSON AVENUE, NUMBER EIGHT, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 9.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO INITIALLY TELL US WHATEVER YOU THINK, UH, YOU NEED TO TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT AND UH, TO LET US KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT LETTER THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT WAS SENT IN BY THE MOM.
UM, SO WE, UH, WE APPLIED FOR A PERMISSION TO ADD AN ARCH THAT WAS DENIED BY THE TASK FORCE.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO PERHAPS APPROVE IT.
UM, THE TASK FORCE DID RECOMMEND THAT WE LOOK FOR PICTURES, BUT WE HAD NO LUCK FINDING ANY PICTURES.
SO WE'RE LEFT WITH TRYING TO PROVE OUR THEORY BY CITING GENERAL TUTOR REVIVAL ELEMENTS AND OUR SUBMISSION OF OTHER TUTOR REVIVAL HOUSES IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ALSO HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER OUR CONTRACTOR'S LETTER OF OPINION AS WELL AS OUR CLIENT SOUGHT A SECOND OPINION FROM ALICIA QUENTIN, WHO FORWARDED OUR PLANS TO NOW PRESERVATION PRESIDENT RON SER, WHO ALSO OPENED, UM, OPINED RATHER THAT THE FASCIA ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE FACADE SEEMS TO BE ORIGINAL AND INDICATES THAT THERE WASN'T ARCH AT SOME POINT.
THAT'S KIND OF OUR BIGGEST ONE, THAT, THE NEXT ONE WAS COLORS.
WE'VE CHANGED OUR COLORS TO HOPEFULLY WORK NOW WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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THAT'S KIND OF IT IN A NUTSHELL.OKAY, SIR, I WAS SLIGHTLY CONFUSED.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU HAVE CHANGED THE COLORS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO US TO A NEW CHOICE OR THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CHANGING TO? THOSE WE'RE BLACK.
WE, WE ARE CHANGING TO NEW COLORS.
I GUESS MAYBE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE NEW PLANS.
MAYBE, UH, OUR, OUR AGENDA IS PUT TOGETHER THE WEEK BEFORE OUR MEETING.
THAT'S THE WAY IT HAS TO BE DONE.
SOMETIMES STAFF IS ABLE TO FORWARD US NEW THINGS AFTERWARDS, BUT THE OFFICIAL AGENDA HAD YOUR OLDER ONES ON IT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN WE, CAN WE SHARE A SCREEN WITH YOU? UM, YES.
YOU ARE ABLE TO SHARE NOW IF YOU WISH.
CAN YOU SEE THAT? YES, WE CAN.
SO I MEAN, LET'S JUST GET THE COLORS OUTTA THE WAY.
I'M HOPING THEY WILL QUALIFY FOR BEING THE CORRECT COLORS.
NOW IT'S THAT MAHOGANY COLOR AND THAT LIGHT BUFF COLOR WOULD BE THE OVERALL STUCCO COLOR AS RECOMMENDED BY THE TASK FORCE.
I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T RECOMMEND A COLOR, BUT THAT IT'D BE LIGHTER.
SO YOU WILL HAVE A LIGHT COLOR ON THE PANELS BETWEEN THE HALF TIMBERING AND A DARKER COLOR ON THE HALF TIMBERING OR CORRECT.
WE KIND OF NEED TO SEE THE TWO OF 'EM TOGETHER SO WE CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO THERE.
WELL, CAN YOU SEE WE'RE CIRCLING THE SCREEN OR NO? YEAH.
IS THERE A WHITE NEXT TO THAT? BROWN AND WE'RE JUST NOT SEEING IT BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME COLOR AS THE SCREEN.
IT'S A BUFF, IT'S A BUFF COLOR.
SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT NOW.
SO YOU HAVE CHANGED THAT, THAT YOUR NEW REQUEST IS FOR THOSE COLORS INSTEAD OF THE ORIGINAL TWO BLACK COLORS? YES, MA'AM.
WHAT ARE THE NAMES SPECIFICALLY OF THE COLORS? WE AREN'T ABLE TO READ THAT ON OUR SMALL SCREENS.
POLISH MAHOGANY, UH, THERE'S SHERWIN WILLIAMS HISTORIC COLORS.
THE FIRST ONE IS POLISHED MAHOGANY AND THE LIGHTER ONE IS CALLED CLASSIC LIGHT BUFF.
SO POLISH MAHOGANY CLASSIC LIGHT BLUFF.
AND WE CAN SEE THE NUMBERS ON THEM, CORRECT? NOW THAT IT'S BLOWN UP.
UM, SO WE, WE SHOULD, UM, IF IF YOU ARE DONE WITH YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION, YOU STICK AROUND 'CAUSE WE ASK QUESTIONS, MORE QUESTIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE TWO OTHER PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, I THINK.
WELL, MELISSA LEY, WE WHEN WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
SO ALL FOUR OF THESE PEOPLE ARE YOUR COMPANY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
THE COMPANY BETH AND BLACKWOOD IS ACTUALLY, THE CLIENT WILL BE LIVING IN THE HOME.
SO WE HAVE HEARD FROM OUR SPEAKERS THEN.
NOW IT WILL BE TIME FOR COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS.
WE ALREADY ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE PAGE AND GOT AN ANSWER.
LET US PUT THE LETTER UP SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT.
WHILE I'M DOING THAT, CAN I ASK THE CLIENT, UH, APPLICANT TO PLEASE SEND ME THE UPDATED PLANS, BUT YOU JUST SHOWED BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM, SO I'LL NEED THEM FOR OUR RECORD.
UH, WELL, I, UH, HUNTER FREEMAN HERE, UH, I DID SEND THEM TO ELAINE HILL.
YESTERDAY AND SHE, SHE, OH, THAT WAS SUNDAY.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK.
UM, SHE JUST CONFIRMED RECEIPT.
AND WHO IS THE LETTER FROM? HEY, I'M PULLING IT UP NOW.
THE LETTER FROM THE CONTRACTOR.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ IT OR YOU WANNA READ IT? WELL, I CAN SEE IT.
CAN EVERYBODY ELSE SEE IT? IT'S SMALL.
LET'S JUST READ IT INTO THE RECORD AND I'LL LISTEN.
UM, IT'S UH, FROM ERIC KTU CONTRACTOR LETTER OF OPINION STRUCTURAL TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.
I AM ERIC KTU, OWNER OF ERIC KTU REMODELING, LLC AND I AM THE GC CONTRACTED BY BETH ANN BLACKWOOD FOR REMODELING WORK BEING COMPLETED AT 7 0 2 GLASGOW DRIVE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 1 4.
CONTRACTOR NUMBER BR 1 0 1 8 9 6.
PROPERTY ADDRESS, 7 0 2 GLASGOW DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4.
PROJECT PERMIT NUMBER 2 4 0 4 0 3 1 1 1 2.
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IT'S MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THE FRONT PORCH MASONRY OVER THE FRONT STEPS IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE IN DESIGN OR STRUCTURE.THE MASONRY SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN REPAIRED IN THE PAST AND THE HORIZONTAL STEEL BRICK LENTIL OVER OVERHEAD WAS USED TO SUPPORT THE SPAN OF THE MASONRY REPAIR DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ORIGINAL.
ALSO, I AM UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH MASONRY OVER THE FRONT STEPS WAS ARCHED IN DESIGN AND STRUCTURE BASED ON THE SIMILAR HOME ACROSS THE STREET AND OTHER ORIGINAL HOMES IN THE, IN THE EAST DALLAS AREA.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE EXISTING HORIZONTAL LENTIL IN THE PLACE WAS USED FOR THE REPAIR INSTEAD OF ARCHED MASONRY TO MAKE THE WORK EASIER TO COMPLETE AT THAT TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
BEST REGARDS, ERIC CONDUIT EXECUTED THIS 26TH DAY OF JUNE, 2024.
ALRIGHT, UM, QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS OR STAFF? I, WE HAD ONE MORE EMAIL.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ABLE TO GET, GET IT OR NOT.
UM, OPINION, ANOTHER OPINION FROM ALICIA, QUENTIN AND RON LER IF, UH, IF THEY JUST CAME LAST NIGHT.
HONESTLY, NO, I I PROBABLY HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEM OR IT'S NOT, I HAVEN'T OPENED THE EMAIL.
NO, WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN GOTTEN ANYTHING ELSE.
WE READ THAT COMMISSIONER
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, PAINT COLORS.
UM, SO THE DARKER COLOR IS GONNA BE THE MAJOR FIELD AND THEN THE LIGHTER COLOR IS GONNA BE THE TRIM.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE, THE REVERSE, THE WHITE IS STUCCO THE WHITE.
BECAUSE IT'S THE PLASTIC BUFF IS GONNA BE THE STUCCO.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS CLARIFYING.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED IT TO BE,
UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES IS THE MISSING EMAIL FROM RON STABLER WITH PRESERVATION DALLAS.
RON SER IS THE MAN THAT JUST AS OF LAST NIGHT BECAME PRESIDENT OF PRESERVATION DALLAS.
HE IS ALSO A HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECT WHO OFTEN WORKS ON HOMES IN THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
BUT THEY JUST TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE MISSING EMAIL AND I THOUGHT ONE WAS FROM HIM.
YEAH, THAT, AND APPARENTLY WE DID NOT GET IT.
CAN WE READ IT OUT LOUD? WE, WE DON'T HAVE IT IS APPARENTLY WHAT'S OH, WELL THEY, I CAN LOOK.
WELL, MS. BLACKWOOD IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO JOIN US NOW.
THIS IS BE ANN DO ARE WE ON? CAMERAS ARE HERE.
WE DO NEED TO SEE YOU ON CAMERA.
IT'S A STATE LAW AND I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
CAN YOU, OH, CAN YOU SEE ME? YEAH.
UH, MY NAME IS BETH ANN BLACKWOOD AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE WHOLE, THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
UH, WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S 2 7 0 7 COLE AVENUE, APARTMENT 1 28, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 4.
AND NOW THAT YOU'RE WITH US, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY STATEMENT OR TELL US, UM, ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT? WELL, I'M JUST, UH, ONE, HAPPY TO BE HERE.
UM, AND, UH, I SAW THIS HOME FELL IN LOVE WITH IT.
UM, I LOOKED FOR A HOME FOR A YEAR AND, UH, I WAS LOOKING FOR A HOME OF CHARACTER AND I FOUND ONE.
UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU COULD SEE FROM THE PLANS WE'RE, WE'RE RESTORING, TRYING TO RESTART BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT WAS WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 1923.
UH, AND SLIGHTLY BETTER, BUT WE WANT THAT CHARM, UH, TO STAY INTACT.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE THING, ATTRACTED ME TO THE HOUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE ARCH OVER THE DOOR, UH, WHICH IS THE EMAIL THAT I HAVE, UM, THEY PROBABLY DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THE ARCH KIND OF BEHIND BRICKWORK AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT STARTED THIS INQUIRY AND DID A DRAWING AND LOVED THE WAY IT LOOKED.
SO I CONTACTED A LADY NAMED ALICIA, UH, KETAN, WHO IS AN ARCHITECT WHO WORKS IN A LOT OF HISTORICAL
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MM-HMM.SO THIS IS, UM, I, UM, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S SORT OF HEARSAY, BUT I, I BELIEVE Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH HER AND WE COULD SEND YOU THIS EMAIL TO VERIFY SHE SENT IT.
BUT SHE SAYS, BETH ANN AND BRAUN, I SENT YOUR PLANS TO A CONTRACTOR FRIEND WHO WORKS WITH, WITH PRESERVATION PROJECTS.
HE MIGHT BE TOO BUSY TO ASSIST WITH CONSTRUCTION YET, BUT BE A GOOD PERSON, UH, FOR CONSULTATION.
AND THEN SHE GIVES HIM HIS NAME, ROXY BLUR WITH HIS EMAIL ADDRESS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN SHE SAYS, AFTER LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS IN YOUR PRESENTATION, RON WOULD AGREE THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT THE ORIGINAL COURSE ENTRY WAS ARCHED BASED ON THE TRIM WORK.
HE FINDS IT ODD THAT NO ONE HAS REPLACED THE TRIM.
HIS THEORY IS THAT THE ORIGINAL ARCH MAY HAVE FAILED AND THE CURRENT COLUMNS AND LENTIL WERE INSTALLED AS A REPLACEMENT, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN VERY EARLY IN THE LIFE OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, MORE INVESTIGATION COULD REVEAL MORE EVIDENCE, BUT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT WITHOUT DECONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO IT SAYS THIS MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOUR DISCUSSION WITH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION ON MONDAY.
UM, BEST REGARDS, ALICIA, SO WE CAN FORWARD THAT EMAIL TO YOU, BUT THAT I, I WANTED YOU TO AT LEAST KNOW THAT, UM, MR. SER HAD LOOKED AT THE PLANS AND APPARENTLY BREEZE YEAH.
HAD LOOKED AT THEM ALSO AND APPARENTLY BREEZE AS WELL THAT THERE USED TO BE AN MARCH THERE.
UM, ON THAT ARCH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL FROM YOUR PICTURE, THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE REMNANT OF ARCH SHAPE THAT'S LEFT.
IS THAT THE SAME CURVE AS IN THE PROPOSED ARCH? YOU HAVE PRESENTED US BECAUSE THE ARCH YOU REPRESEN PRESENTED US LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE ALMOST RICHARD, SONY AND ROMANESQUE IN ITS PROPORTIONS RATHER THAN TUDOR.
SO I'M WONDERING WHETHER YOU, THE, YOU'VE ENDED UP WITH A WIDER ARCH PROPOSAL THAN THE ORIGINAL ARCH MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
UM, NO, WE, WE MIMICKED THE EXACT TRIM, UH, OR THE INTENTION IS TO MIMIC EXACTLY WHAT IS REPRESENTED ON THE BACK OF THE PORTAL THERE.
UM, SO YOUR CONTENTION IS THAT IF, IF THAT'S THE TOP OF AN ARCH THAT USED TO BE THERE, THAT ARCH THAT USED TO BE THERE IS AS WIDE AS THE ARCH YOU HAVE DRAWN.
I, I, AGAIN REITERATE, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT USUAL ON TUTOR, BUT OF COURSE PEOPLE DID STRANGE THINGS WHEN THEY DESIGNED THEIR HOUSES.
YOU CAN'T, UM, THERE'S NO HARD FAST RULE.
WELL, THE LUCKY THING ABOUT TUTOR IS THAT IT'S WEIRD AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GOOD, THERE'S A GOOD MIX OF, UH, UH, GOOD MIX OF ARTICULATIONS WITHIN TWO OR SO.
UM, THERE, THERE COULD BE, YES.
WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD ON AFTER LOOKING AT, UH, THE SURVEY OF THE NEXT
OH YEAH, HE WASN'T, YOU'RE RIGHT.
MR. FREEMAN, YOU HAVE NOT YET GIVEN ME YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL ME.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS, OR I, I'M HUNTER FREEMAN.
MY ADDRESS IS 3 1 1 9 EMERALD STREET, BEDFORD, TEXAS 7 6 0 2 1.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
WELL, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THAT FORMALITY THERE.
OUR WHOLE STAFF GATHERED AROUND ME TO TELL ME TO MAKE SURE YOU DO THAT.
WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL READY TO GET THIS GOING.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES AND THEN COMM AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AFTER COMMISSIONER REEVES? OKAY.
I DON'T QUESTION THE SHAPE OF THE ARCH ANY MORE THAN I QUESTION THE FACT THAT THE DOOR ISN'T CENTERED UNDER THE WINDOWS ABOVE IT.
I THINK THAT WHOEVER BUILT THIS DID WHAT THEY WANTED.
THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.
COULD YOU PUT UP THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE ARCH ON THE INSIDE OF THE PORCH? I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THAT FITS INTO THIS.
IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS A SMALLER ARCH THAT WAS CONTAINED, BUT IS IT PART OF A LARGER, IS IT THE TOP OR A PART OF A LARGER ARCH? COULD YOU SHOW US THAT AGAIN PLEASE? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SHARE IT OR DO YOU HAVE IT AVAILABLE? I HAVE IT AVAILABLE.
I, I CAN SHARE IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT, UH, WHICHEVER ONE.
NOW, THAT ARCH TO ME LOOKS LIKE IT IS SELF-CONTAINED, THAT IT'S A SMALL ARCHS COMING DOWN.
HOW DO WE SPREAD THAT ARCH TO GO ACROSS THAT HOLE? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S A SELF-CONTAINED THE TOP OF A SMALLER ARCH.
HOW HAS THAT BECOME A, A LARGER ARCH ACROSS THE HOLE DUE TO THE PERSPECTIVE? THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SKEW, HOWEVER, IT DOES IT, IF YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, AS IT GETS CLOSER TO THAT COLUMN, THERE REALLY IS ONLY ABOUT A FOOT OR LESS OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE END OF THE, WHAT IS THE, THE, I GUESS THE
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TOP CUT OFF OF THE ARCH.BUT IF YOU COULD IMAGINE THE ARCH CONTINUING DOWN AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE GEOMETRY CONTINUING DOWN TO MEET THAT COLUMN, IT, IT WOULD BE AS WIDE AS, AS AS DRAWN.
UM, IT, IT, I, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM IN REGARDS TO THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE, OF THE PHOTO.
WE COULD NOT GET A WIDE ANGLE THERE, UM, FROM DIRECTLY BEHIND, UM, BEHIND THAT, THAT PORT.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TODAY.
I THINK IT WILL PROBABLY BE DENIED, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, IN MY OPINION, GET MORE EXPERTISE PRESERVATION ARCHITECTS THERE A, A BETTER, UH, PHOTOGRAPH OF THIS THAT WAS BETTER UNDERSTOOD.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN ARCH THERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION TO APPROVE IT.
BUT I DON'T, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TODAY TO MAKE ME FEEL THAT THERE'S ANYTHING, UM, APPROVABLE, BUT MAYBE YOU NEED.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
ON THE BRICK, WHERE ARE YOU ABLE TO SOURCE THE BRICK TO MATCH THE VARIATED COLORS THAT ARE THERE AND THEN ALSO THE MORTAR? ARE YOU ABLE TO, UH, BE ABLE TO GET A MATCH TO REPLICATE THE ORIGINAL, UH, MORTAR Y? YES, WE SENT THE BRICK, THE ORIGINAL GC.
CAN YOU SEE WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN? YES.
THOSE ARE ORIGINAL BRICKS FROM THE HOME, AND WE'VE SENT THOSE OFF TO BE COPIED AND THEY WILL REPLICATE THEM TO, I MEAN, EVEN DOWN TO THE IRON SPOTS AND TO, WE ARE, WE ORDERED THEM, WE ARE WAITING ON THEM.
HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE EXACTLY LIKE THE BRICK.
THAT'S WHAT THEIR REPUTATION IS.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET THOSE AND MAYBE A MATCH.
AND HOW ABOUT THE MORTAR? THE MORTAR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH THE, UM, UH, MASON BECAUSE THE HOUSE HAS BEEN REPAIRED SO MANY TIMES, THE COLUMNS, WE'RE GONNA ALSO WORK ON GETTING ALL THAT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR OF THE MORTAR, WHICH IS MORE A GRAY COLOR.
NOT LIKE, LIKE THERE'S ONE IMAGE THAT WE SHOW YOU THAT ACTUALLY ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE YOU CAN ALMOST SEE IN A ZIGZAG PATTERN WHERE MAYBE THAT WAS THE REPAIR.
MAYBE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THEY, WHERE THE ARCH FELL APART.
BUT YOU SEE THAT MORTAR COLOR DIFFERENCE, WE DON'T LIKE THAT EITHER.
WE ARE GONNA, WE WANT TO REPAIR AND SHIP THAT OUT AND FIX ALL THAT.
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
NO, UM, ON THE ARCH ITSELF, THE WIDTH, IT, IT APPEARS ON YOUR DRAWN ELEVATION, UH, COMPARED TO THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT THE COLUMNS WILL BE WIDER WITH THE ARCH THAN THEY ARE TODAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I BELIEVE THEY'RE THE SAME OR THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME.
UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT.
'CAUSE I KNOW, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU'RE DRAWING IN CAD AND YOU FILL IN WITH A, WITH A HATCH ON THE BRICK AND IT, IT JUST COMES OUT TO THE PATTERN THAT IT IS, IF YOU COUNT THE BRICKS IN THE, IN THE HOME, IT'S ONLY THREE BRICKS WIDE FOR THE COLUMN AND THEN THE DRAWING, IT'S FOUR BRICKS WIDE OR THREE AND A HALF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT DIFFERENCE CAN HAPPEN, RIGHT? I AM, I'M ACTUALLY, I'M CONVINCED THAT THERE WAS AN ARCH HERE.
THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER REASON THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, THAT THE TRIM ON THE BACKSIDE WOULD'VE CURVED THE WAY IT DOES THERE, THERE'S NO REASON THAT THAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED.
UM, I'M, I'M GONNA, UM, I'M GONNA VOTE IN FAVOR OF, UH, OF YOUR PROPOSAL, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT ARTIFACT AND THEN, UM, THE WAY THAT THE, THE ARCH ACTUALLY FITS BETWEEN THOSE COLUMNS IN THE DRAWING.
UM, I THINK THE PROPORTIONS ARE THERE THAT, THAT THE, THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR ME TO, TO, UM, TO SAY THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, WE HAVEN'T.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS EVEN ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE? WE HAVEN'T EVEN MENTIONED THAT.
IS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES, MA'AM.
I GOT A LITTLE, OR I GUESS I'M STILL CONFUSED BECAUSE THE WRITEUP ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT CONSTRUCTING A NEW ARCH, BUT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'RE REALLY ASKING FOR IS TO RECONSTRUCT AN ARCH THAT AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE THINK WAS ALREADY THERE.
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WELL, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.WELL, WE, I WROTE NEW ARCH BECAUSE STAFF DID NOT FEEL THERE WAS ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO SAY THAT WAS AN EXISTING ARCH, OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE SAID REBUILDING THE ARCH.
THAT'S WHY WE, IT'S NEW TO US BASED ON THE FACT THAT THAT ONE TRIM BOARD DOES NOT NECESSARILY TELL US.
CURIOUS, DID, DID YOU ALL ACTUALLY VISIT THE SITE TO LOOK AT IT? NO, WE DIDN'T.
I THINK A, AS IS USUALLY THE CASE STAFF WAS BEING AS CONSERVAT AS CONSERVATIVE AS THEY COULD BE IN THEIR WORDING, AS THEY ALSO DO IN THEIR ASSESSMENTS.
AND IT IS UP TO US TO MORE CREATIVELY AND FULLY EXPLORE ISSUES OF UNCERTAINTY BECAUSE WE'RE THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THEIR STAFF.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHO, WHO WAS THAT? HELLO? THIS, THIS IS, UM, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
IS UM, DO YOU HAVE THIS OVERLAID, THIS ARCH, THIS INTERIOR TRIM THAT'S EXISTING? DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE THAT OVERLAID? YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SUPERIMPOSED THAT TO CONVEY THE NEW ARCH? UM, AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND IT.
UM, AND I WAS LOOK, TRYING TO SEE WHERE THE SPRING POINT IS AT THAT HEADER AND TRYING TO FOLLOW MY EYES TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE, UM, IS THERE ANY, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S REALLY A, A FULL ARCH THAT WE'RE SEEING OR DOES IT, UM, POSSIBLY STOP HIGHER UP WITH A WIDER COLUMN? ARE THESE, THESE COLUMNS, HAVE THEY, ARE THEY ORIGINAL BRICK AND MORTAR OR THE COLUMNS HAVE BEEN REDONE AS WELL? I BELIEVE THE COLUMNS HAVE BEEN REDONE AS WELL.
NOT NECESSARILY SO MUCH IN THE SIZE, BUT YEAH, THEY HAD TO BE RECONFIGURED AT SOME EXCEPT THAT STEEL LENTIL THAT'S THERE, THAT'S REALLY NOT DOING A GOOD JOB OF HOLDING UP THE RIG.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I WAS FIGURING THE, WE'RE CON WE'RE HAPPY TO CONFIRM THE GEOMETRY THOUGH AND SEND THAT TO YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, GHOSTING ON THE, IS IT A NEW PORCH OR IS IT ALL EXISTING PORCH? IS THERE ANY GHOSTING OF WHETHER THE COLUMNS WOULD'VE BEEN WIDER OR NOT? THAT'S WHO, UM, TO DISPLAY THE PROPOSED NEW YORK? NO, WE IS IT, IS IT, IS IT A, IS THAT THE ORIGINAL PORCH? YES, BUT YET THE CO BUT THE COLUMN BASES ARE, ARE THEY WIDER? THE COLUMN BASES? I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S, IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO HEAR.
SO THE COLUMN BASES REMAIN THE SAME.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A NEW TOPPING ON THAT PORCH AS WELL, SO IT'S COVERING UP WHAT WOULD'VE GIVEN US EVIDENCE.
THE OTHER THING I'M THINKING IS THAT, THAT TRIM FOLLOWS THE TOP OF THE BRICK RATHER THAN THE BOTTOM OF THE BRICK.
I, ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION THOUGH.
SO, UM, WHAT WILL BE THE NEW DETAIL TO SUPPORT THAT ARCH? WOULD IT BE JUST GRAVITY LOADED OR WILL YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A, A PIECE OF STEEL THERE TO, TO HELP, UH, EXPAND HO HONESTLY, I, I WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH THE MASON TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
THE CONTRACTOR THOUGHT IT WOULD BE STEEL, SO THE CONTRACTOR APPARENTLY THINKS WE, WE WOULD STILL NEED SOME STEEL OR BE BETTER OR IT BE BETTER.
SIR, MR. AU, DID YOU HAVE FURTHER, OKAY, SORRY, I FORGOT TO TURN MY MIC OFF.
ALRIGHT, UM, I, I, I AM NOT SURE WHERE WE STAND ON THIS.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THEN IT WOULD BE PROBABLY TIME FOR A MOTION.
OH, WELL, YOU CAN HAVE A COMMENT TO, WE HAVE A MOTION, YOU KNOW, THAT
IN MY MIND'S EYE, CHANCES ARE THERE WAS AN ARCH THERE, BUT I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS AND COMMISSIONER RENAULT THAT PERHAPS THE OPENING HAS BEEN ALTERED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE COLUMNS TWO HAVE BEEN ALTERED AND THE ABSENCE OF MORE, UH, RESEARCH AND PERHAPS MORE CAREFULLY DESIGNED, UM, UH, ARCHWAYS AND COLUMNS.
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LARGELY A CONJECTURAL NOTION AS OPPOSED TO A RESTORATION OF SOMETHING THAT, WITH IT, WITHOUT A DOUBT WAS THERE.SO I'M STRUGGLING, UM, TO APPROVE IT TODAY.
UM, I THINK IT'D BE FINE TO COME BACK AND ASK AGAIN IF WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING BETTER THAT LOOKS MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT MIGHT HAVE REALLY GIVEN A GOOD BALANCE TO THAT OPENING.
RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S DRAWN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ARCH ITSELF IS TOO WIDE AND TOO PECULIAR.
IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE IT WOULD, UM, IF ALLOWED TO BE REBUILT THAT WAY, THAT IT WOULD APPEAR, UM, ORIGINAL.
IT STILL APPEARS TO ME AS ODD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SQUARED OFF OPENING TO THE LEFT.
THAT LOOKS LIKE A MISSING ELEMENT TO ME.
BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS AT THIS TIME.
UM, I'M LOOKING FOR MOTION FROM SOMEONE APPLICANT MAY WANNA STOP SHARING.
LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT TO STOP SHARING SO THAT I CAN SEE ALL OF MY COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE AT HOME MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL PAYING ATTENTION.
COMMISSIONER REED, ACTUALLY COMMENTS ARE FOR AFTER A MOTION.
LET'S LET COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MAKE HER MOTION AND THEN WE WILL ALL COMMENT UPON IT AS WE WISH.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF 7 0 2 NORTH GLASGOW DRIVE IN THE GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 8 9 CM, I MOVE.
UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THE REASONS STATED AND, UM, THE SECTIONS OF THE CRITERIA, UM, HIGHLIGHTED.
UM, IN PARTICULAR THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
NUMBER THREE, PERTAINING TO, UM, AVOIDING ADDING CONJECTURAL FEATURES.
AND NUMBER TWO, THAT THE, UM, REVISED REQUEST, UM, TO PAINT THE, UM, UM, THE STUCCO IN SHERWIN WILLIAMS 0 0 5 0 CLASSIC WHITE BUFF AND THE TIMBERING TRIM TO BE PAINTED IN SHERWIN WILLIAMS, 28 38 MAHOGANY BE APPROVED FOR THE REASONS STATED IN THE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND NUMBER THREE, UM, THAT THE LANDSCAPING BE APPROVED AS STATED, UM, BY STAFF.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I DO NEED A CLARIFICATION AS, AS STAFF HAS LET ME KNOW THEY NEED ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.
ARE WE WORDING THAT AS WE APPROVE THE COLOR COMBINATION AS UPDATED TODAY? I DID SAY REVISED REQUEST PRESENTED TO US TODAY.
LET'S, I THINK OFTEN WE DO MENTION YES, THAT IT, YEAH, THE, THE COLOR SUBMITTED TODAY.
AND DID YOU WRITE DOWN, SAY STAFF RECOMMENDATION? WE'LL TAKE THE WORD OUT.
DO WE HAVE THE NAMES? WE CAN SAY THEM.
EVERYBODY TALKS TO ME AT THE SAME TIME AND SOMETIMES, YEAH, THE STUCCO AREA WOULD BE, UH, SHERWIN WILLIAMS 0 0 5 0, WHICH IS CLASSIC WHITE BUFF.
AND THE TIMBERING TRIM WOULD BE SHERWIN WILLIAMS 28 38, UM, MAHOGANY.
WE JUST WANTED THE CLARIFICATION SO I CAN RESTATE THE WHOLE THING IF THAT WOULD HELP.
OUR ATTORNEY IS CONSULTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER
UM, I SHALL REVISE MY COMMENTS REGARDING ITEM TWO.
UM, AND, UM, THAT WOULD STATE THAT THE REVISED REQUEST TO, UM, CHANGE THE PAINT COLORS TO SHERWIN WILLIAMS 0 0 5 0 CLASSIC WHITE BUFF FOR THE STUCCO AND SHERWIN WILLIAMS, 28 38 MAHOGANY FOR THE TRIM BE APPROVED.
UM, BECAUSE THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH A PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTIONS 4.8 AND 4.9.
DID WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
I BELIEVE THE FIRST SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? YES.
COMMISSIONER RENO? UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.
SO IF WE DO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE THE, UM, THE APPLICANT FROM
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GIVING, CREATING MORE EVIDENCE, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, YES, THEY CAN COME BACK AND AND REQUEST THAT AGAIN.AND WHAT I WOULD, UH, UH, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT YOU DO THE, THE INTERIOR DRAWING, UH, BOTH THE PHOTO, I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO, YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS DIFFICULT TO TAKE AN, UM, A PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE BACK, BUT, UM, BUT IF YOU COULD DRAW IT TO YOUR BEST OF ABILITY TO, TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY AND, UH, CREATE THAT GEOMETRY TO SHOW THAT THAT ARC IS IN FACT, UH, UH, SPRINGING FROM THE INTERIOR COLUMN FACES, UM, THAT YOU CAN COME BACK AND, AND GET APPROVED LATER ON.
I, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? YES, I DO.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, UNDER THE NEW RULES, IS STAFF NOT ALLOWED TO VISIT THE LOCATION AND DID, UH, THE TASK FORCE VISIT THE LOCATION SO THEY COULD LOOK TO, I THINK THEY SHOULD BOTH SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THAT ARCH ON THE INSIDE.
UH, LET'S ASK MARCUS WHAT THE POLICY CURRENTLY IS ON THAT.
UH, SHE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OUR, UNDER OUR CURRENT RULES IS STAFF ALLOWED TO VISIT THE SITE OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND LOOK CLOSELY, I'D LIKE FROM THE BACK AND CAN TASK FORCE MEMBERS DO THAT? STAFF CAN WITH INVITATION FROM THE OWNER.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GO ON, UH, PROPERTY WITHOUT INVITATION FROM THE OWNER.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WOULDN'T WORK SO WELL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, UH, POST AN AGENDA AND HAS TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING IN THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
BUT STAFF CAN, I THINK IT'S VERY STRANGE THAT EVERYBODY'S MADE SUCH STRONG STATEMENTS ABOUT SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT.
COMMISSIONER RES, UH, COMMISSIONER OFFIT? UH, YES MA'AM.
AND, UH, COMMENT TO, UM, OR, OR IF THE APPLICANT COMES BACK AND GOING, UH, ON GOOGLE EARTH AND GOING DOWN THAT STREET, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THEY FURNISH US PICTURES OF, UM, THE MULTIPLE HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK THAT HAVE ARCH FEATURES, EITHER OVER THE DOOR, THE PORCH, OR UH, WINDOWS.
I'M SURE THE APPLICANT HEARD YOUR HELPFUL SUGGESTION THAT WE ALWAYS ARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO SEE WHAT EVIDENCE YOU CAN SHOW ABOUT THE CONTEXT.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I AGREE WITH HIM NOW.
COMMISSIONER, UM, RES POEY, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE STAFF AND IT, AND IF TASK FORCE CAN ATTEND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THE FULL BREADTH, UM, CONCEPT OF THIS.
UM, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING MORE TO THIS.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COME BACK AS A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT AND MORE DOCUMENTATION AND A BETTER FEELING FOR HOW THAT INTERIOR ARCH ACTUALLY WORKS.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS TODAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? I, I SUPPORTED THE MOTION.
I THINK THE APPLICANT DID A GREAT JOB OF STARTING THE DUE DILIGENCE AND TO, TO GIVE EVIDENCE OF, OF THE ARCH.
SO MUCH SO THAT NOW THERE'S QUESTION ON IS THAT THE ARCH? THERE'S A DIFFERENT ARCH, SO I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF, YOU KNOW, UM, HOPEFULLY THERE, WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME MORE, UH, EVIDENCE OF WHAT IT, GETTING CLOSER TO WHAT IT ACTUALLY DID, DID LOOK LIKE.
UM, SO THAT WAS JUST MY COMMENTS.
THAT DOES SEEM TO BE THE ISSUE.
WAS THERE AN ARCH? AND IF SO, WHAT DID THIS ARCH TO LOOK LIKE? AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SURE ON THAT YET.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO THE MOTION HAS CARRIED NOW TO THE APPLICANT SINCE THERE IS A DENIAL IN HERE.
YOU COULD APPEAL TO CPC, UM, FOR A FEE AND ASK THEM TO JUDGE WHETHER WE HAVE RULED WRONGLY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A STANDARD EVERY, THIS GOT IT COMPLETELY WRONG.
PROBABLY A BETTER ROUTE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF, PERHAPS CALL IN SOME OTHER HELP AS YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY FOUND SOME THAT COULD HELP YOU MAKE YOUR CASE ABOUT THE ARCH THAT YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AND SEE IF YOU CAN COME BACK.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP YOU FROM HAVING AN ARCH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S THE RIGHT ARCH AND IT'S RIGHT TO HAVE AN ARCH.
CAN I MAKE JUST ONE COMMENT? I THINK WE HAVE NOT, UM, GIVEN THEM, UM, THE CREDIT FOR BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE OR SOMETHING.
WELL, WE GAVE 'EM CREDIT BY NOT EVEN ASKING A SINGLE QUESTION.
I KNOW, BUT THAT'S STILL, IT'S HARD TO USE IT.
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IS.THAT IS OUR INITIATION OF A LANDMARK.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 9 0 1 FORT WORTH AVENUE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER A HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR THE BELMONT MOTOR HOTEL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF FORT WORTH AVENUE AND WEST OF SYLVAN AVENUE.
AT THE INTERSECTION, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS AND COMMENTS THAT CAME UP SINCE THIS MORNING.
AND SO I WENT BACK THROUGH TO FIND OUT WHO DID WHAT AND GET A BETTER HISTORY ON THIS.
SO THIS INITIATION WAS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT FOR THIS IS THE CPC, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
SO THIS IS THE INITIAL MEMORANDUM SIGNED BY THREE CITY PLAN COMMISSIONERS FOR AN AUTHORIZED HEARING.
IT WAS ALSO REINITIATED BY THE CPC IN 2022.
UH, THE PERSON WHO WAS SPEARHEADING THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, CONTACTED ME LAST YEAR IN MARCH OF 2023 AND ASKED WHAT WAS THE STATUS BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WERE CONCERNED.
UM, I TOLD HER THAT WE COULD NOT MOVE FORWARD UNTIL I HAD SPOKEN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER GAVE ME THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. JORDAN FORD, WHO IS HERE TODAY.
AND WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM AT THAT TIME, HE DID EXPRESS THAT HE WAS INTERESTED IN DESIGNATION, BUT HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO THE PROPERTY.
SO I, OUR POLICY USUALLY IS FOR A PROPERTY OF THIS SIZE TO HAVE THE OWNER HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN TO DO THE DESIGNATION REPORT.
BUT AT THE TIME, MR. FORD SAID, UM, BASICALLY HE DID NOT WANT TO PURSUE THAT.
SO THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE WENT FORWARD AND PREPARED A DESIGNATION REPORT, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE REVIEWING TODAY.
NOW ALSO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2023 AND 2024, MR. FORD WAS IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TODD FAMILY AND IT'S THE TODD FAMILY THAT OUR DESIGNATION COMMITTEE CHAIR COMMUNICATED WITH TO PREPARE THE DESIGNATION REPORT.
BUT AT SOME TIME, THE TWO OF THEM DISASSOCIATED OR ARE NO LONGER CONNECTED.
AND SO TODAY MR. FORD AND HIS ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS THEIR STANCE IS THE BEST THAT I CAN DO.
AND I THINK ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ALSO, OUR ATTORNEY, SHE HAS A STATEMENT TOO TODAY.
AND I, I SEE THAT WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA LET THE SIGNUP SPEAKERS GO FIRST.
UH, IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND, UM, I, APPARENTLY THERE HAD BEEN SOME CONFUSION OR LACK OF COMMUNICATION.
UH, WE TRIED TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN, BEEN A LONG ROAD ON THIS ONE.
SO PLEASE GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR VIEWS ON THIS DESIGNATION.
RECORD
UM, WE STARTED THIS HISTORICAL PROCESS IN 2019.
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UM, I THOUGHT WE WORKED WELL TOGETHER.I WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO IMPLEMENT, UM, SOME UPGRADES AND CHANGES TO THE FACILITIES UP INTO 2020.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE PANDEMIC AND WE HAD CLOSED THE FACILITIES.
UH, MAYBE SOME OF THE CONFUSION DID ORIGINATE BECAUSE AFTER THE, THE 2020 ERA, I GOT INTO AN AGREED PARTNERSHIP AND EXPLORED RENOVATIONS FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS WITH THE GROUP, THE TODDS.
AND THEY WERE IN COMMUNICATION WITH, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION HERE AND THE FOURTH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UM, AND, UH, UP UNTIL EARLIER, THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, WE ENDED UP, UH, DISSOLVING THE, THE ABILITY, WELL THEY, THEY FOUND THAT THE PLANS THAT, THAT THEY HAD COME UP WITH WEREN'T GONNA BE VIABLE FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT ABILITIES.
AND SO THEY WERE NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH PROPERTY.
UM, IN LOOKING THROUGH, UM, ONE, I I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY THE CITY TO, UH, FIXED REPAIRS SUCH AS GRAFFITI OR BROKEN WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND WE'VE DONE SO, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY DOCUMENTATION, UH, ABOUT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
UM, AND SO I'M, UH, FORTUNATE TO HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT AND TRAVELED INTO TOWN TO, TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
UM, I GUESS MY STANCE IS, IS I WANNA WORK TOGETHER.
I'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS BUILDING FOR ALMOST A DECADE NOW.
I CARE PASSIONATELY ABOUT IT AND ITS ARCHITECTURE AND ITS, UH, PLACE IN THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ESPECIALLY.
IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUGGLE, CERTAINLY SINCE THE PANDEMIC TO GET IT BACK OPEN.
AND, UH, PERSONALLY I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, A FEW MORE DAYS, WEEKS TO, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS BUILDING IS THERE, BUT ALSO THAT IT, IT, IT HAS A PATH TO BE PART OF THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
AGAIN, I, I HAVE NO AMBITION TO, TO BE THE, THE CARETAKER OF A PROPERTY.
I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT OPEN AND OCCUPIED.
I, I'D LIKE TO, TO CLARIFY EXACTLY IN, IN WHAT WAYS YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS.
HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO READ WHAT THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE REPORT ABOUT IT AND SUGGESTED THE ORDINANCE FOR IT? HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO READ THAT DOCUMENT THAT WE, I, YEAH, I READ IT LAST NIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
UM, DID YOU AT ANY TIME MEET WITH A MAN NAMED DARREN TAPSCOTT, WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THAT DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND A HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECT OR ANY YOUR MET? I DO NOT RECALL IF I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT, NO.
'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S BEEN OUT THERE.
I BELIEVE MR. POSI HAS BEEN OUT THERE.
WE MADE, I'M ON THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
WE MADE A GREAT EFFORT TO TRY TO TAILOR THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR PROFIT PROFITABLE USE OF THIS SOMEWHAT STRANGE, UM, BUILDING AND, AND TO YET MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
IT WAS, UM, IT, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND A, A MATCH FOR THAT, BUT THERE WAS GREAT CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS A VIABLE BUSINESS PROSPECT BECAUSE A BUILDING THAT DOES NOT HAVE A JOB IS NOT VERY SAFE.
IT NEEDS TO BE MAKING MONEY FOR SOMEBODY IF IT WANTS TO SURVIVE.
SO A LOT OF EFFORT WENT INTO THAT, UM, OUT OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEEDS OF THE OWNER, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T GET TO TALK TO YOU, THE ACTUAL OWNER
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ABLE TO READ IT ENOUGH THAT YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC CONCERNS.
UM, I, I GUESS I DO HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS BASED ON MY ABILITY TO READ IT, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL PAST MIDNIGHT AND YEAH, I KNOW I'VE BEEN UP SINCE FOUR JUST TO GET HERE.
SO, UM, I, MY TRUE REQUEST TODAY IS JUST A LITTLE MORE TIME BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, NOT ONLY CARE AND CONCERN, BUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS ROOM IN DRAFTING THIS.
UH, BUT ALSO I I, I'VE WALKED THAT HILL FOR NEAR 10 YEARS NOW.
UM, I MAY NOT BE THE, THE BEST, UH, TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH EACH SQUARE FOOT IS WORTH, BUT I KNOW HOW THE WATER FLOWS.
I KNOW HOW PEOPLE MOVE AROUND IT.
I'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF PROCESS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND WEIGH IN, IN DEPTH, JUST IN, I GUESS IN MY PERS PERSPECTIVE IS, IS SO THAT YOU'VE MISSED SOME, WE DON'T FIND MISSTEPS ALONG THE WAY THAT I HAVE FOUND SINCE, SINCE I'VE BEEN AT THE BELMONT.
AND IT IS OUR CUSTOM ON DESIGNATION COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY TO TRY TO LOOK AT THAT.
IT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT THIS TIME WITH THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP AND THAT, WELL, THERE WAS, AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF HAD HAPPENED.
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SO, SORRY ABOUT THAT.I'VE BEEN INVOLVED THE WHOLE TIME.
BUT TODDS WERE, UH, A, AN ATTEMPT AT A PARTNERSHIP WITH A LOCAL DEVELOPER.
THEY, THEY, THEY, WE NEVER WERE ABLE TO CEMENT THE PARTNERSHIP.
SO I'VE ALWAYS BEEN THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF OWNERSHIP.
THEY REPRESENTED THE, THE, THE CONCEPT THAT, THAT, THAT THEY BELIEVED WAS VIABLE.
AND I, I, I PUT MY FAITH IN THAT AND, AND I, I STILL HAVE BELIEVED IN WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH AND IN, IN CERTAIN WAYS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS EXECUTABLE FINANCIALLY.
SO I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE TODD'S THAT A LOT OF DISCUSSION WENT ON WITH.
I DO NOT KNOW HOW THIS WILL TURN OUT TODAY.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW I THINK I WANT TO VOTE ON IT TODAY YET.
BUT LET ME ASK YOU, IF HYPOTHETICALLY WE WERE TO DEFER TODAY'S ACTION TUESDAY NEXT MONTH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY? 'CAUSE THEY ARE COMBINED MEETING OUR DESIGNATION COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH IS USUALLY THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH IN ORDER THAT WE COULD HAVE A BACK AND FORTH DIALOGUE.
YEAH, I CAN BE HERE OR I CAN BE VIRTUAL.
I WANT THE, I WANTED THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE AWARE OF IT, IF NOT ALL OF THEM ARE ON THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE OR UNDERSTAND HOW WE WORK.
WE COULD ALSO TAKE OTHER ACTIONS.
SO, UM, HAVING SAID THAT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HEAR FROM YOUR, UM, FROM SUSAN KEDRON, WHO I BELIEVE IS YOUR ATTORNEY.
HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, SUZANNE KEDRON.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY CLIENT ACTUALLY SAID IT BEST.
IT WAS REALLY A HEARTFELT ATTEMPT TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO GET THIS RIGHT.
I WAS ON MY WAY OUT OF TOWN LAST NIGHT TO THE AIRPORT AND I GET A TEXT FROM MR. FORD AND IT SAYS, DO YOU KNOW THAT THE BELMONT HOTEL'S ON THE LANDMARK COMMITTEE? AND I WAS LIKE, NO, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I LITERALLY DID A U-TURN AND CAME HOME.
UM, AND THEN YOU HEARD THAT MR. FORD CAME IN THIS MORNING FOR THIS HEARING.
UM, HE IS VERY EARNEST IN HIS REQUEST, I AM TOO, TO WORK WITH YOU TO GET THIS RIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRIED TO PULL IT TOGETHER LAST NIGHT.
I LOOKED AT THE STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, I WAS CONFUSED AS TO THE PROCESS.
UM, AND I DID LEARN A LOT DURING BRIEFING TODAY, SOME OF WHICH WAS, UM, ERRONEOUSLY STATED, BUT I REALLY DO THINK, UM, DR. DUNN FOR CORRECTING A LOT OF THE MISINFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA REFERS TO THIS DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, BUT YET STILL, I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHEN THEY MET WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.
AND WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM OR FOUL TO WAIT ONE MORE MONTH TO ALLOW US TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS, TO REALLY LOOK OVER THE ORDINANCE AND TO KIND OF DIG IN TO UNDERSTAND IF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING CAN REALLY HELP THE BUILDING COME BACK TO LIFE.
I THINK THE LAST THING ANY OF US IN THIS ROOM WANT IS, YOU KNOW, MORE REGULATIONS THAT CAUSES A PROPERTY TO REMAIN VACANT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
WHAT YOU HEARD FROM MR. FORD IS THAT HE'S REALLY TRYING TO PUT THE BUILDING BACK ONLINE.
HE IS AGREEABLE TO YOUR PROCESS AND YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, UM, PROCESS FOR DOING THIS.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO REALLY DIG INTO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AS WELL AS TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
I THINK ALL OF THAT CAN BE DONE IN A MONTH.
YOU KNOW, THAT HE'S HERE, HE'S BEEN CONTINUOUS OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY FOR MANY YEARS, AS HE SAID, APPROXIMATELY A DECADE.
UM, YOU KNOW, HE PAYS HIS TAXES, SO HE GETS NOTICES IF THERE'S A GRAFFITI NOTICES, HE GETS THOSE NOTICES.
BUT YET STILL, THERE WAS NO NOTICE AS TO THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE OR AS TO TODAY'S ACTION OTHER THAN, UM, SOMEONE HAD ALERTED HIM TO IT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
SO HOPEFULLY WITH THAT, YOU WILL, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW YOUR TYPICAL PROCEDURE AND GIVE US A MONTH TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU.
AND STAY AROUND IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE.
UM, WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER REGISTERED SPEAKER THAT WE KNOW NEED TO HEAR FROM.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU.
IS THE LIGHT ON ON YOUR MICROPHONE? YES.
AND YOU PROBABLY WANNA TRY TO SPEAK INTO IT.
BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, MA'AM.
I AM PRESIDENT OF THE WORTH AVENUE DEVELOPMENT GROUP, AND I'VE JUST COME TO READ IN THE LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT I SENT.
WHO SAYS YOU ALL?
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ENJOYED A DECADE OF BOOMING BUSINESS, BUT ONCE THE DFW TURNPIKE LATER I 30 OPENED IN 1957, THE BELMONT LOST ITS TRAVELERS AND QUICKLY DECAYED ALONG WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT.IN 2005, FORMER FORT WORTH AVENUE DEVELOPMENT GROUP BOARD MEMBER MONTY ANDERSON, REVIVED AND RESTORED THE BELMONT TO ITS FORMER GLORY, WHICH SPARKED A REVITALIZATION FOR THE ENTIRE NORTH OAK CLIFF AREA.
AS THE BELMONT BECAME TRENDY FOR OUT OF TOWNERS DAY TRIPPERS AND STAYCATIONS.
TODAY, IT HAS ONCE AGAIN FALLEN INTO HARD TIMES, YET IT NEVERTHELESS REMAINS THE CROWN JEWEL OF OUR FORT WORTH AVENUE CORRIDOR AND SUPREMELY MERIT SAFEGUARDING THE FORT WORTH AVENUE FORT A DEVELOPMENT GROUP BULLIED, ENDORSES LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROTECTION FROM DEMOLITION OR FROM CHANGES THAT WOULD DESTROY OR DIMINISHED THE BELMONT DISTINGUISHED CHARACTER.
MUCH APPRECIATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM, WHERE'D YOU GO, MELISSA? OUR ATTORNEY IS OUTSIDE CHATTING ON THE PHONE.
WE WILL INVITE HER BACK IN TO CHAT WITH US INSTEAD.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROBABLY LEGAL ISSUES THAT WE MUST CONSIDER HERE.
OUR ATTORNEY IS GOING TO UPDATE THOSE ON WHAT IS GOING ON.
UM, I MUST ALSO ASK, SO THAT I AND ALL COMMISSIONERS KNOW IS THIS, WHEN DOES THE INITIATION OF THIS PROPERTY EXPIRE? 8 18 20 24.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE MORE MONTH.
I NEEDED TO VERIFY THAT UNLESS I WAS THINKING SOMETHING STUPID.
HEIN, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BECAUSE THERE IS OPPOSITION BY THE OWNER.
I JUST WANTED TO READ IN THE REQUIREMENTS.
IT SCROLLED WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE.
UNDER 51 A DASH 4 0 1 4 5 0 1 C SEVEN.
IT SAYS THE CITY MAY NOT DESIGNATE A PROPERTY AS HISTORIC DISTRICT UNLESS THE OWNER CONSENTS, OR, AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S RELEVANT HERE.
THE DESIGNATION OF THE DESIGNATION IS APPROVED BY THREE-FOURTHS VOTE OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
SO Y'ALL WOULD NEED A THREE FOURS VOTE TO APPROVE.
UM, I SEE THAT MR.
AND HE'S BEEN, UH, INVOLVED IN THIS A LOT.
WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO DEFER THE DECISION ON THIS FOR ONE MORE MONTH OR DO WE HAVE TO VOTE YAY OR MAY ON IT TODAY? YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DEFER.
WE'VE DONE THINGS LIKE THAT BEFORE.
UM, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY ALSO.
IF WE WERE TO GO AHEAD AND PRO APPROVE, WOULD THE OWNER STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON IT BEFORE IT GOES TO PLAN COMMISSION IF THERE'S SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT THE OWNER MIGHT PREFER SO THAT WE DON'T SLOW THIS DOWN SOME MORE? YES.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE UP TO, UM, THE CPC STAFF, BUT HE, UH, THE OWNER WOULD BE WORKING WITH THEM AND IT WOULD GO TO CPC AND MOTIONS COULD BE MADE AND THEY CAN, UH, CHANGE IT, YOU KNOW, AMEND IT, WIGGLE IT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO.
WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER IF THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE THAT WORKED ON THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WERE THE ONES COULD TWO WHO, 'CAUSE WE KNOW WHY WE DID THAT.
I, I WASN'T EVEN THERE AT HALF THE MEETINGS.
BUT SOMEBODY KNOWS WHY WE DID THAT.
DARREN TAPSCOTT AND MR. PREZI KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY MADE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HELP SUPPORT BOTH THE BUILDING AND, AND RUNNING THE BUSINESS.
SO THAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER OPTION IF THERE ARE TO BE REVISIONS.
BECAUSE IF WE VOTE TODAY, WE'RE VOTING ON THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENT TO US TODAY.
WELL, AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW OFTEN I GET ASKED WHAT'S UP WITH THE BELMONT, WHAT'S UP WITH THE BELMONT? AND EVERYBODY THINKS I SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
AND ALL I CAN SAY IS I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEING LOOKED AT BY THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND, UM, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF ANGST IN THE COMMUNITY WATCHING THE BUILDING DECLINE.
IT IS, IT WAS, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW EXCITED WE WERE WHEN IT WAS REHABILITATED THE FIRST TIME EVERYBODY GATHERED THERE.
WE CELEBRATED, WE BRAGGED ABOUT IT.
IT WAS GREAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN TO WATCH WHAT'S HAPPENED, UM, WHICH IS NOT GOOD.
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UM, DESIGNATING THIS BUILDING WOULD DO NOTHING, BUT IN MY OPINION, ENHANCE ITS FUTURE.UM, YOU CAN'T TAP THOSE TAX CREDITS WITHOUT A DESIGNATION.
UM, I'M NOT TOO EXCITED ABOUT WATCHING IT PO BE POSTPONED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OWNER, UM, GET ON BOARD AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT HAPPEN IN A TIMELY MANNER.
SO I DON'T WANT TO FAIL TO APPROVE IF IT'S JUST GONNA LANGUISH FOR ANOTHER DECADE, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
UM, WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME CAN WE PUT IN THERE? IF, IF WE WERE TO DEFER IT WOULD BE JUST TILL OUR NEXT MEETING.
EVEN IF WE WANTED TO DEFER IT LONGER, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION NEXT TIME.
AND BECAUSE WE ONLY, WE ONLY PUT THINGS OFF FOR ONE MEETING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO.
UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAD HIS LETTER ON.
I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THE EIGHT 18.
YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S NOT, IS THERE, IS THERE
IF WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING READY TO GO, WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR REINITIATION.
YOU KNOW, I TOO SHARE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, UH, INTEREST IN THE, IN THE FACILITY, LIKE I SAID, PLANNED MY WEDDING AT THAT FACILITY, UH, WHEN IT WAS RENOVATED.
UM, BUT I'M INDIFFERENT BECAUSE I KNOW THE BUSINESS OPERATING REQUIREMENT OF SUCH A PRO PROJECT AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND LANDMARK COMPLIANCE.
SO I, I, I EMPATHIZE WITH, UM, WANTING TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM A, FROM AN OWNER.
SO, UM, AND I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY PRESERVATION OR THE DESIGNATION IS GONNA CHANGE THE BLIGHT OF THE COMMUNITY.
I'M IN THE COMMUNITY, IN THAT COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY.
AND, UM, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD PRESERVE STRUCTURE, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE NECESSARILY THE OPERATING BUSINESS SIDE OF IT.
SO I'M KIND OF INDIFFERENT ON THE, ON THE ISSUE.
UM, BUT I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THE SELLER OR THE OWNER, SORRY, NOT ENCOURAGING TO SELL, BUT THE OWNER TO UNDERSTAND DESIGNATION, UM, FULLY AND WHAT THE STRENGTHS ARE, WHAT THE WEAKNESSES ARE, WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE, SO THAT YOU COULD COME BACK WITH INFORMATION, UM, OR QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG, IT'S A BIG OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
NOW I CHAIR YEAH, LET'S LET COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA GO FOR, 'CAUSE I'LL FORGET HER IF SHE DOESN'T.
UH, AS A COMMISSIONER FOR DISTRICT SIX, I HAVE, UH, ALSO HAD, UH, QUITE A FEW PEOPLE, UM, APPROACH AND ASK, UH, WHETHER THEIR OR, UH, COMMENT ON THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE BELMONT HOTEL.
I WANNA THANK DR. DUNN BECAUSE SHE, SHE AND I HAVE COMMUNICATED ABOUT IT AND SHE'S GONE, UH, TO GREAT LENGTHS TO TRY TO GET THIS, UH, RESOLVED.
SO I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THE HOTEL DETERIORATED SO MUCH OVER THIS 10 YEAR PERIOD OR WHATEVER.
UH, AND IT'S NOW, UH, TO THE POINT WHERE WE ONLY HAVE UNTIL NEXT MONTH TO DO SOMETHING IN ORDER TO, UH, TO TRY TO SAVE IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.
UH, AND AGAIN, THANK DR. DUNN FOR HER COMMUNICATION WITH OTHERS AND, UH, MYSELF TO TRY TO, UH, DO SOMETHING TO GET US TO THIS POINT TODAY.
IT IS, UH, COMMISSIONER GAY HERE.
I MEAN, I GUESS MY BIG QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY OR STAFF, IS JUST SORT OF THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK THE THING THAT'S, UM, ALARMING TO ME IS THAT THE OWNERS FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AT MIDNIGHT BY HAPPENSTANCE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOUR HOURS OF SLEEP IN HERE.
I, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR CHANGING YOUR SCHEDULE, DISRUPTING YOUR LIFE AND COMING OUT HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, AT LEAST FROM YOUR TESTIMONY, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, THE FINANCING FALL THROUGH WITH YOUR FORMER PARTNER ELSE.
YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THIS WOULD'VE OCCURRED, UM, RENOVATIONS IN THE PAST.
SO I UNDERSTAND THOSE ECONOMIC SITUATIONS HAPPEN.
UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS JUST AROUND THE NOTICE, YOU KNOW, WHAT EFFORTS WERE SORT OF MADE TO THAT,
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UM, WHAT OBLIGATION IS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? 'CAUSE THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE THAT I HAD IN THIS WHOLE THING.SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THE NOTICE PROCESS WAS AND WHO WAS NOTICED AND CORRECT.
I GET, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT IN OUR MAYBE UNABLE TO REACH THE OWNER FOR WHATEVER REASON.
WERE THOSE EFFORTS MADE, OR WAS THIS JUST ANOTHER SITE? WAS THIS A SLIP UP? WAS IT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PARTNERSHIP GROUP? YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE OR WHAT, JUST SORT OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THAT ANSWER WILL COME FROM DR. DUNN, WHO APPEARS TO BE IN CONSULTATION WITH MARCUS RIGHT NOW.
WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, COMMISSIONER PREZI WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
I JUST WANTED TO, UH, BRING EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION TOO.
WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER ADDITIONAL SUPPORT LETTERS THAT HAVE COME IN FOR THE BELMONT DESIGNATION FROM, UH, THE BECK CONSERVANCY PRESERVATION DALLAS.
AND THERE WERE THREE INDIVIDUALS, CHARLES THOMPSON, RON BEACH, AND ZANGHI QUI MAYBE, I GUESS, UM, ALL SENT IN, UH, SUPPORT OF THE DESIGNATION OF THE BELMONT.
YES, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW LETTERS THAT CAME IN.
UH, WOULD STAFF LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHAT NOTICE WAS GIVEN ABOUT TODAY'S PROCEDURE? I LET MARCUS, SO THIS WAS NOTICED BY, SINCE THIS WAS, UH, INITIATED BY CPC, THIS WAS NOTICED BY CPC STAFF, NOT OUR STAFF, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IT WENT TO THE TODDS, NOT MR. FORD.
UM, SO, BUT THEN ALSO, THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL NOTICE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN INITIATION.
IT WAS JUST THIS TODAY IS JUST TO APPROVE THE CRITERIA.
INITIATION IS WHERE THE, THE ISSUE OF NOTICE IS VERY BIG.
WE CAN'T EVEN DO IT IF THE NOTICE DID NOT GO TO THE OWNER IN A TIMELY AND A CORRECT MANNER.
SO WE'RE VERY CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.
SO APPARENTLY WE DID NOT NEED TO NOTICE HIM TODAY BY OUR RULES.
BUT
IT JUST DIDN'T WORK TILL MIDNIGHT APPARENTLY.
SO THAT IS, IS THAT AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER GAY? I MEAN, YES.
I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, I GET THE OWNER'S POINT WANTING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE FORMATION OF THAT CRITERIA.
AND WHETHER OR NOT A MONTH IS TOO TIGHT OF A TIMELINE OR NOT, HE SEEMS WILLING TO COME IN A MONTH.
BUT, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF HE WANTS TO WORK WITH US, WE WANNA GET THIS RIGHT.
IF, IF HE NEEDED LONGER THAN A MONTH, I'D BE WILLING TO ALLOW IT.
WELL, BUT THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REINITIATE IT.
WE CANNOT HEAR IT BY NEXT MONTH.
IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE DECIDED TO NOT DO IT TODAY TO DEFER JUST ONE MONTH.
AND COMMISSIONER POSI IS READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TODD'S ONE POINT WERE, UH, AFFILIATED WITH MR. FORD.
AND THE CPC WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE BREAKUP OF THE AFFILIATION.
IT APPEARS TO BE WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONFUSION AMONG US AS TO WHETHER THE TODDS WERE STILL INVOLVED, UH, AND OWNERSHIP AND AN ISSUE OF WHO TO TALK TO.
IT IS MOST UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH CONFUSION.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER PER, OH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
SORRY, I JUST WANNA MAKE MORE COMMENT.
SINCE I WAS A PART OF THE DESIGNATION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD JUST MONTHS AGO, UH, THE, THE PROCESS, THIS STEP, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, IS NOT THE DESIGNATION, THIS IS AN ELIGIBILITY DESIGNATION OF THE CRITERIA BEING ELIGIBLE, CORRECT? UH, NO, THIS WOULD BE APPROVAL OR NOT OF THE FINAL, UM, ORDINANCE AND BACKUP MATERIALS PROVING ELIGIBILITY AS PRODUCED BY THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE WRITTEN THE FULL HISTORY OF THE BELMONT AND THE ARGUMENTS FOR WHY IT IS HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT, FOUND THAT IT'S HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT ON VERY MANY THINGS, AND THEN DRAFTED AN ORDINANCE THAT WE WOULD BE APPROVING TODAY, OR NOT
SO THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP? SO WELL LET, LET'S GET A MOTION ON, I KNOW WHAT I QUOTE.
LET'S GET A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND SEE WHAT WE THINK OF IT.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE, UH, THIS COMMISSIONER PREZI, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER THE APPROVAL OF THE PRESERVATION, PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE DESIGNATION REPORT UNTIL THE AUGUST 5TH LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING, UH, DUE TO THE ISSUE WITH NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND ALLOWING THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ENGAGE WITH THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AT THEIR JULY, UH, MEETING.
SECOND MADAM CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER.
HANG ON, LET ME CLARIFY WHO SECONDED THAT WAS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT YOUR COMMENT POINT OF ORDER.
IF THE APPROPRIATE NOTIFICATION BY OUR OWN RULES
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AND BY THE CITY REGULATIONS WERE NOT GIVEN, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN EVEN MOVE FORWARD ON A MOTION.UM, WHAT WE DETERMINED IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR CONSULTATION WITH OUR ATTORNEY IS THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES FOR NOTICE WERE CARRIED OUT.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO NOTICE THE OWNER ABOUT TODAY'S HEARING THAT OCCURS AT INITIATION, WHICH OCCURRED TWO YEARS AGO, AT WHICH POINT THE OWNER WAS NOTIFIED, MAY HAVE BEEN THE POD COMPANY.
SO NO FAILURE TO NOTICE HAS OCCURRED TODAY, IS THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN.
UM, OTHER COMMENTS? THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER HENO HOSA.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES, I HAVE A COMMENT, MA'AM.
UH, I, I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION BECAUSE I AM NOT AT ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE COMMENT AND SUPPORT, UH, OF VARIOUS HUNDRED PEOPLE, ALL OF THAT.
AND I, I HAPPEN TO LOVE THAT STRUCTURE, UH, AND HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH IT ALL OF MY LIFE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF, IF IT WERE A PROFITABLE VENTURE, THEN IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLOSED AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FALLEN IN DISREPAIR.
SO I, I GET REAL CONCERN WHEN WE, UM, ATTEMPT TO IMPOSE UPON SOMEBODY SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FEASIBLE.
SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DEFER THIS SO THAT THERE IS A CHANCE FOR THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS WITH THE OWNER HIS VIEWS ON THIS.
AND GIVEN THE PAST 10 YEARS INVOLVED, UM, WELL, UH, STILL RECOVERING FROM 2008 AND THEN WE HAD COVID AND ALL THIS STUFF.
I SUSPECT THAT THE FACT THAT SOMETHING THAT'S DETERIORATED IS NOT PROOF THAT IT COULD NOT BE A MONEYMAKING VENTURE.
IT'S JUST THAT CIRCUMSTANCES DIDN'T CAUSE IT TO REACH THAT POINT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEN AGAIN, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER AND I DON'T EVEN RUN A MONEYMAKING VENTURE.
SO WHAT WOULD I KNOW? BUT I STILL THINK THAT, THAT WE, WE HOPE THAT THE, IT APPEARS THE OWNER IS DEDICATED TO SAVING IT AND I KNOW THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE WILL BE DEDICATED TO WORKING TOWARDS A MUTUALLY SATISFACTORY ARRANGEMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AS WHAT WE DO.
OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT, THEN I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS PROPOSAL ON THIS MOTION.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT IS OPPOSED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPPOSITIONS? ME, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION, BUT THE MOTION HAS CARRIED DR. DUNN.
UM, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ACCURATE AND CURRENT CONTACT INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN INVITE OUR ESTEEMED GUEST YES.
THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THIS MONTH, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
THEY WILL BE INVITED JULY 17TH, WHICH CAN BE IN PERSON OR ONLINE.
ALRIGHT, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO D ONE.
AND THAT IS MS. MANKOWSKI TO READ IT? YES.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 1 6 0 1 ELM STREET, WEST END HISTORIC DISTRICT CCE 2 3 4 0 0 8 CM.
REQUEST AN EXTENSION ON THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY FOR TAX EXEMPTION ON A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE LAND AND IMPROVEMENT FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS.
AND APPROVAL OF AN ESTIMATED $1,268,138 IN EXPENDITURES TO BE SPENT ON REHABILITATION PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL OF THE EXTENSION OF THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY AND APPROVAL OF THE ESTIMATED 1,268,138 IN EXPENDITURES TO BE SPENT ON REHABILITATION PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION FOR STEP TWO OF THE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM PROCESS IS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO RECEIVING APPROVED CE EXTENSION.
AND THERE IS NO TASK FORCE COMMENTS ON THIS TYPE OF ACTION.
THERE'S ATTORNEY, I THINK ATTORNEY HAS A COMMENT.
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OKAY.AND THEN YOU'D HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE.
AND I, I DIDN'T LOOK AT MY ORDER AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS NEXT
UM, I WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ABOUT, THAT WERE ASKED DURING BRIEFING ABOUT THE CONDITION AND APPROVING WHAT CONDITION.
OH, AND THIS IS MARISSA HINES WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IN ORDER TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST FIND THAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.
UM, AND I'M PULLING UP THE EXACT LANGUAGE.
SORRY, I WAS ON A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CODE.
SO THE, THE CODE SAYS THAT, UM, LANDMARK MAY APPROVE AN EXTENSION IF THERE HAS BEEN REASONABLE PROGRESS TOWARDS COMPLETION, AND THE EXTENSION WILL FURTHER, UH, WILL FURTHER THE PURPOSE OF THIS ARTICLE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE LANDMARK MUST CONSIDER.
SO HAVING A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE PROOF OF REASONABLE PROGRESS DOES NOT WORK.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL MUST FIND RIGHT NOW TODAY DURING THE HEARING.
SO WE'RE NOT Q THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
YOU, IT DOESN'T WORK ALL THE TIME.
ALL I JUST WANT YOU TO ANSWERS SOMETIMES.
SO LET'S PLEASE STAY UP HERE QUICK SO WE CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
LET US HEAR FROM OUR SPEAKER WHO IS TONYA REAGAN, PLEASE MAKE SURE THE LIGHT IS SHOWING ON THE MICROPHONE.
AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS TANYA REAGAN, 6 3 0 SOUTH PEARL EXPRESSWAY.
I'M PRESIDENT OF WILDCAT MANAGEMENT AND I AM THE OWNER OF THE HISTORIC PURSE BUILDING.
AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? I DO.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UM, I'M HAVING HEARD THINGS WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO TODAY I'M SUBMITTING MY REQUEST TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO GRANT A THREE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY FOR THE HISTORIC PURSE BUILDING AND REMOVAL OF THE MONETARY REQUIREMENT.
THIS BUILDING SAT VACANT AND BOARDED UP FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
I PURCHASED THE BUILDING IN 2016.
A LOT OF THE INFORMATION IN YOUR FILE TODAY ACTUALLY PREDATES ME.
I STARTED WORKING ON THE BUILDING AS PART OF THE FIRST PHASE IN 2018.
I COMPLETED THAT IN 2019 AND I HAD A USER AS WE WERE GOING INTO 2020.
I LOST THAT USER DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN THE FIRST EXTENSION WAS REQUESTED IN 2021.
WE WERE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.
YOU FLASH FORWARD TO TODAY AND WE ARE ACTIVELY MARKETING THE SPACE.
WE HAVE PERFORMED WORK TO TAKE THE BUILDING BACK TO ITS SHELL.
WE PERFORMED WORK ON THE FACADE WHERE WE HIRED AND BROUGHT IN A, UH, HISTORIAN WITH ARCHITECTS THAT WORKED WITH US TO RESTORE THE FACADE TO ITS ORIGINAL COLOR.
WE PEELED BACK ALL THE LAYERS AND FOUND THE ORIGINAL BRICK AND THE ORIGINAL FLOORS, WHICH WE HAVE TAKEN BACK TO THEIR NATURAL ORIGINAL CONDITION.
LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED A AWARD FROM PRESERVATION DALLAS AS PART OF THE PRESERVATION ACHIEVEMENT AWARD PROGRAM.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY HISTORY.
I'M A 20 YEAR, UH, DOWNTOWN RESIDENT.
UH, 12 YEARS AGO I RELOCATED THE OLDEST COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS, BRICK BY BRICK, A MILE AWAY TO THE FARMER'S MARKET TO SAVE THAT BUILDING FROM DEMOLITION.
I BELIEVE THAT THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UM, ARE PART OF OUR DOWNTOWN FABRIC.
AND TODAY IS A SIMPLE ASK TO, UH, EXTEND ANOTHER THREE YEAR, UH, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED IN 2021
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AND REMOVE THE MONETARY REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THE WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN PERFORMED.ANY QUESTIONS? UH, WELL, WE'LL GET TO THAT.
I I'D LIKE TO, FOR ONE THING, LET OUR APPLICANT KNOW THAT, UM, MANY OF US ARE AWARE OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING TO HELP WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ALL WHITE
YES, I I'VE SEEN THE BUILDING.
UM, AND I'M, I'M SURE YOU HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT.
UH, THE, THE TAX ABATEMENT IS OUR, ONE OF OUR STRONGEST TOOLS TO GET PEOPLE TO DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION WORK, PARTICULARLY FOR PROFIT DEVELOPERS AS OPPOSED TO HOMEOWNERS.
SO WE VALUE IT VERY GREATLY BECAUSE OF THAT.
IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY BOTH STAFF HERE AND THE COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE NO ONE COULD EVER ACCUSE US OF NOT HAVING DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN DETERMINING WHO MERITS THAT.
SO THAT'S PART OF WHY YOU HAD TO COME DOWN HERE TODAY.
I REALIZE THAT WAS A PROBLEM AND USUALLY THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF ISSUE, BUT WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU DID.
NOW IT'S AUTHORITY ISSUE APPARENTLY, AND GETTING THOR OR EVERY TIME I ASK AN ATTORNEY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE TILL WE CAN TRY TO COME TO SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THIS.
STARTING WITH STAFF WHO'S VERY ANXIOUS.
WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN BY REMOVE THE MONETARY AMOUNT? SO THE EXTENSION WOULD BE, UH, SIMILAR TO THE EXTENSION THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY IN 2021.
WHERE IT STATES THAT THE, THAT IT'S JUST A THREE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT.
SO YOU'RE KEEPING THE SAME, UH, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD.
DO WE STAY WITH THE 2017 LAND AND IMPROVEMENT VALUES, OR NOW DO WE CONSIDER THIS A NEW CE? IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD USE THE NEW VALUE, WHICH IS 2024, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN 2017, WHICH WOULD IN THEN IT DOES BRING YOUR REQUIRED EXPENDITURES AMOUNT UP, BUT IT'S STILL BELOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ESTIMATING.
SO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD LIKE TO STILL MAINTAIN THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE 1.2.
BUT TAKING THAT OUT OF THE LANGUAGE, SO IT WOULD JUST STRAIGHT SAY THAT CAN'T TAKEN OUT OF THE LANGUAGE, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE C THAT THAT IS BASICALLY STEP ONE OF THE WHOLE, IT HAS TO CONTINUE ON UNTIL WE GET THE CTR, WHICH THEN CHANGES THAT.
BUT THE RENEWAL OR THE, EXCUSE ME, THE EXTENSION WOULD USE THE SAME EXTENSION LANGUAGE THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY.
AND IT HAS THE SAME ONE BECAUSE I SENT BOTH LETTERS IN THE DOCKET.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IT, IT HAS BOTH VALUES IN THERE.
IT BE THE PREVIOUS EXTENSION THAT WAS DONE IN 21.
IT STRICTLY SAYS IT IS A THREE YEAR EXTENSION WITHOUT ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT REQUIRED EXPENDITURE STATE, IT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY COULD SAY, OKAY, WE EXTEND IT, BUT YOU NO LONGER HAVE THAT REQUIRED EXPENDITURE.
WELL, HOW WAS THAT DONE BEFORE? I, I'M NOT, 'CAUSE THE LAST EXTENSION IN 2021 SIMPLY SAID THAT THE, THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY EXECUTED IS EXTENDED THREE YEARS.
AND ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
IT WOULD SAY THAT C CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY FROM 2018 IS EXTENDED IN ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS.
BUT IT DOES NOT KNOW FIVE MS. MANKOWSKI.
LET'S, LET'S LET MARCUS WAIT IN ON THIS.
I, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF
UM, THE, THE ORIGINAL, THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL CE, HOW DOES IT READ? DO YOU HAVE THAT IT IT READS JUST LIKE THIS.
I ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
WHAT SHE'S ASKING IS THAT IT ONLY SAYS THAT IT GETS IN THREE YEARS, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, HOWEVER, I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT THEY CARRY, YOU STILL HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIRED EXPENDITURES OR WE JUST DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRO PROCESS.
SO YOUR, YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION READS EXACTLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL CE.
SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THAT IT'S, IT, THE WORDING DOESN'T MATTER.
'CAUSE THE, THE, THE NUMBER IS STILL THERE AND IT, AND, AND IT IS BETTER.
IT, I THINK I WOULD SUPPORT PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS WRITTEN CORRECTLY, THAT IT NEEDS TO READ EXACTLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL CE.
IF WE'RE EXTENDING, THEN IT SHOULD READ EXACTLY LIKE IT DID THE VERY FIRST TIME IT WENT THROUGH IT.
'CAUSE THE WAY IT'S WORDED, IT STATES THAT THIS CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY CANNOT BE EXTENDED UNLESS THE WORK HAS BEEN PERFORMED.
BUT THE WORK HAS BEEN PERFORMED.
NO, ACTUALLY THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM APPROVAL OF THE EXTENSION OF THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY AND APPROVAL OF AN ESTIMATED $1,000,268, 2 68, 130 $8 IN EXPENDITURES TO BE SPENT ON REHABILITATION
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PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY, WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP.AND WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION FOR STEP TWO OF THE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM PROCESS IS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO RECEIVING APPROVED CE EXTENSION.
MY, ISN'T THAT CONFUSING? WHAT I THINK IT'S SAYING IS WE'VE GOT THAT QUOTED NUMBER THAT THIS IS SUGGESTING THAT WE APPROVE THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEXT STEP AFTER YOU GET THIS ONE, THEN YOU DO THE WORK, YOU PROVE YOU DID IT, AND YOU GET YOUR ACTUAL, UM, WE SAY, YEAH, YOU CTR GET TAX EXEMPTION CERTIFICATE.
WE'D HAVE TO SEE ALL THE PAPERWORK BEFORE THEN.
EVEN SOMEONE WITH A LITTLE BUNGALOW HAS GOTTA SEND IN ABOUT HOW THEY FIX THAT COLUMN.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND AS YOU STATED, THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE.
AND AS OUR ATTORNEY STATED, THIS GROUP TODAY NEEDS PROOF.
THEY NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE AND THAT THERE HAS BEEN PROGRESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT CHRIS CHRISTINA'S BEEN ASKING FOR IS THE RECEIPTS.
WE LITERALLY JUST NEED TO SEE THE RECEIPTS.
WELL, AND HE, WE HAVE NOT BEEN REQUESTED FOR THAT.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED FOR THAT.
IT'S UPON THE APPLICANT WHO JUST SENDS IT ALL IN.
LIKE THERE'S A, BASICALLY, UPON YOUR COMPLETION OF THE FIRST THREE YEARS, YOU WOULD'VE WANTED TO GET THAT STEP TWO IN BEFORE THAT THREE YEAR ENDED.
BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL US THAT WHEN WE'RE IT'S IN THE PACKET PACKET WHEN YOU APPLY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT WE'RE GETTING ANYWHERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PROGRESSIVE BEING, UH, NO.
SO I THINK THAT, THAT THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS STAFF SUPPORTS EXTENDING THE CE.
WE'RE NOT SAYING DON'T, WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM NOT TO DO IT.
WE'RE SAYING THAT WE, THOSE STEPS STILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT, THAT YOU, THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT CAN'T BE APPROVED TODAY.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE, WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME COMMUNICATION TODAY.
THIS GROUP HAS TO FEEL THAT YOU, THAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE OF THAT EVEN WITHOUT THE RECEIPTS.
'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN IT FOR OUR, WITH OUR OWN EYES.
BUT WE NEED TO GET THOSE RECEIPTS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW WHO APPLIED FOR YOU THE FIRST TIME, BUT IT'S IN THE, IN THE PACKET.
IT GIVES YOU THE EXACT BREAKDOWN OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED.
AND I WILL SAY ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER, I DO SEE THAT CAS WERE PULLED FOR THE EXTERIOR.
SO I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S BEEN PULLING THE LEADS TO DO THE WORK.
I JUST, USUALLY THIS PROCESS DOESN'T TAKE MORE FOR YOU, FOR ALL OF 'EM.
WELL, I KNOW YOU HAVE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT'S A DIFFERENT BUILDING, WAY DIFFERENT.
UM, I MIGHT POINT OUT MS. MANKOWSKI, I SUSPECT THAT IT BEING 2021 AND WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE OCCURRING WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A MIX UP IN GETTING PROPER INFORMATION YEAH.
SO A, AN EXCELLENT WAY FORWARD, UNLESS SOMEONE EVERYBODY DISAGREES WITH ME, WOULD BE TO APPROVE THIS EXTENSION AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO THEN SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU COULD GO ONTO THE NEXT PHASE.
THE ONE THAT REALLY COUNTS AND HELPS YOU GET YOUR MONEY IS THAT YOU START SENDING IN THAT PROOF OF ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT LOTS OF PROOF OF ALL THAT WORK.
SO THAT'S, WE CAN, WE CAN GO ROUND AND ROUND ON THE DETAILS AND THERE IS NO TELLING WHO DIDN'T TELL WHO, WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TOLD THEMSELVES THAT 2021 WAS A MESS.
I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER ANY OF THE YEAR BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A, A HORRIBLE YEAR FOR, FOR US TRYING TO DO OUR WORK AROUND HERE.
SO LET US PROBABLY HEAR IF I HAVE ANY FURTHER IDEAS FROM COMMISSIONERS AND IF ANYBODY'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
I THINK WE NOW ALL UNDERSTAND THIS IS COMPLEX, BUT WE HAVE A WAY FORWARD THAT COMES OUT FAIRLY FOR PEOPLE WANT.
I JUST, WHAT WE MENTIONED TO HER THAT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF CA THAT I SAW THAT HAD BEEN PULLED, HONESTLY, IF YOU WOULD, IF SOMEBODY WOULD SEND IN A REPEAT, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY MEET THIS AND I COULD GET YOU A TR, YOU COULD ALREADY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IT
IT KIND OF LIKE LOST TIME FOR YOU.
WELL, AND WE'VE ELECTED TO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS ANOTHER STAGE TO THIS.
WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS IN 2020, THE USE WAS OFFICE UHHUH,
WE, OUR ATTORNEYS ASK US TO, TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CE AND WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK WITH YOU.
LET'S, UH, WE HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ONLINE.
WELL, I WAS READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT DO WE STILL NEED ONE?
IS THERE A TIME SEQUENCE FOR THAT'S WHAT THE EX THE EXTENSION DOES THAT IT ALLOWS THEM MORE TIME TO GET IN THE RECEIPTS AND CA EVIDENCE TO ME.
SO THAT TAKES AWAY ANY REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE
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TO HAVE THE WORK DONE IN FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS OR WHATEVER THE, THE DEADLINE SOMEWHAT SET THEMSELVES.THIS WILL GIVE THEM THREE MORE YEARS TO FINISH MORE WORK, BUT THEY DON'T START GETTING TAX EXEMPTIONS UNTIL THEY PROVE THE MONEY SPENT.
SO THAT'S THAT IT'S THEIR ON, ON THEM TO, UM, TO FINISH QUICKLY.
MY QUESTION IS, AND MAYBE YOU ALREADY ANSWERED IT, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON WHEN THE WORK NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED AS FAR AS LIKE IT HAS TO BE THREE OR FIVE YEARS BACK? OR ARE WE, ARE WE EXTENDING WITH THIS MOTION? I BELIEVE THIS, THIS THREE YEAR TRUMPS ANY KIND OF A DEADLINE OF WHEN, OF LIKE, SAY THEY PUT AN AC IN 50 YEARS AGO.
CERTAINLY NOT THAT COULDN'T BE INCLUDED.
BUT IF THEY PUT AN AC IN AT THE INCEPTION OF THIS PROCESS, YES, THE EXTENSION WOULD COVER THE WORK.
OKAY, SO NOW I BELIEVE WE ARE READY FOR A MO A MOTION COMMISSIONER OSA.
I MOVE TO APPROVE AN EXTENSION ON THE CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY AND TO APPROVE AN ESTIMATED 1,268,000 138 AND EXPENDITURES TO BE SPENT ON REHABILITATION PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ELIGIBILITY WITH A CONDITION THAT ALL REQUIRE DOCUMENTATION FOR STEP TWO OF THE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM PROCESS IS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO RECEIVING APPROVED CE EXTENSION AND WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROOF OF REASONABLE PROGRESS UP TO DATE.
SECOND, I THINK WE HAVE SAID THIS DIFFERENTLY THAN OUR ATTORNEY WOULD PREFER, AND I THINK I KNOW AT THE MOMENT THAT THAT OCCURRED.
SO WE WILL REVISE AFTER SHE TELLS US WHAT WE NEED TO REVISE.
UM, SO REQUIRING THE PROOF FOR PHASE TWO CAN'T BE BASED ON Y'ALL GRANTING THE EXTENSION.
YOU CAN REQUIRE IT AS IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT NOT FOR THE EXTENSION.
SO THE MOTION SHOULD END AFTER, BEFORE YOU SAY WITH THE REQUIREMENT
AFTER PRIOR TO RECEIVING APPROVED CE EXTENSION.
I WONDERED ABOUT THAT, BUT I THOUGHT SINCE WE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT IT, I BETTER PUT IT IN.
BUT THANK YOU FOR, FOR MENTIONING THAT.
UM, I, I REVISED MY, UH, MY MOTION TO END AT, PRIOR TO RECEIVE AN APPROVED CE EXTENSION.
I WOULD ALSO, I I WOULD ALSO JUST, UM, A SUGGESTION WOULD BE WITH A FINDING THAT, THAT THE OWNER HAS SHOWN PROGRESS IN REHABILITATION, UM, SINCE THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TODAY.
SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT SHE WITH THE FINDING THAT WE SEE PROGRESS.
AND IS IT COMMISSIONER OFFIT WHO SENT, WHO SECONDED THAT? YES.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT THEN IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, CAN WE ENTERTAIN A VOTE ON THIS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO WE'VE WORKED OUT EVERYTHING, EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER? CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI, REMEMBER TO CONTACT HER.
AND, AND THEN YOU ALL TALK BACK AND FORTH AND, AND YOU'LL WORK IT OUT.
WHEN IT'S ALL DONE, I WANNA SEE IT AGAIN.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO POST IT, BUT INVITE US ALL.
WELL, THAT'S BETTER THAN IT CAME OUT.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, WELL DO THE COMMISSION PREFER FOR US TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK NOW BECAUSE THE BATHROOMS ARE DOWN THE HALL AND WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.
SORRY FOR THOSE OF YOU WAITING, BUT WE ARE ONLY HUMAN AND I'M GOOD.
SO WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
WE'LL RETURN AT 3 34 AND START AGAIN.
NEXT UP FOR US IS D THREE CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 54 0 6 JUNIOR STREET JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 3 9 0 CM.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE EXISTING REAR SCREENED IN PORCH OF MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MODIFY FENESTRATION ON REAR ELEVATION OF MAIN STRUCTURE.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW SITE LINE WOOD DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE EXISTING REAR SCREENED IN PORCH OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 27 20 24.
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THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.SECTION 4.1 PERTAINING TO PROTECTED FACADES AND SECTION SEVEN PERTAINING TO PORCHES AND BALCONIES.
THE, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MODIFY FEIN FENESTRATION ON REAR ELEVATION OF MAIN STRUCTURE VIA APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 27 20 24.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 4.1 PERTAINING TO PROTECTED FACADES.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW SIGHT LINE WOOD DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 5.1 PERTAINING TO FENESTRATION AND OPENINGS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ENCLOSE EXISTING REAR SCREEN PORCH OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED AS SHOWN.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MODIFY FENESTRATION ON REAR ELEVATION OF MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED AS SHOWN.
NUMBER THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ALL ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW SIGHT LINE WOOD DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED AND RECOMMEND REPAIR RESTORATION OF THE WINDOWS RATHER THAN REPLACING, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE FRONT FRONT 50% OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
UH, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS MR. TRI HARTEN, AND I SEE YOU'RE ONLINE.
I GUESS THAT'S NOT THE PRONUNCIATION.
SO TELL ME HOW YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND THEN TELL ME YOUR ADDRESS YOU GOT, YEAH.
AARON KARTEN 7 2 1 RIDGEWAY STREET, DALLAS.
AND YOU PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH AND I I DO, AND I WAS GONNA SAY KARTEN, BUT I WAS JUST CERTAIN THAT HAD TO BE TOO, TOO MUCH ME AND NOT THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT YOU'D LIKE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE JUST TO GET YOU, UM, ACQUAINTED FOR A MOMENT HERE.
ITEMS ONE AND TWO IN THE APPLICATION, UM, AS CHRISTINA MENTIONED, UM, ARE TO ALTER, UM, WALL OPENINGS WERE WINDOWS AND DOORS AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND THIS IS JUST A CONSEQUENCE OF INTERIOR LAYOUT CHANGES THAT THE HOMEOWNER IS DOING.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE DRAWINGS ARE.
UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET INTO MORE DETAIL IF, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THERE WASN'T TOO MUCH DISCUSSION OR CONCERN DURING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE, I THINK BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS NOT A PART OF THE PROTECTIVE FACADE AND WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO CREATE A NICE COMPOSITION OF NEW DOORS AND WINDOW LOCATIONS.
I PRESUME THAT THE MAIN REASON THAT WE'RE ON DISCUSSION AGENDA IS FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SO FOR THE WINDOWS THAT WOULDN'T BE TOUCHED BY THE SCOPE OF WORK I JUST MENTIONED AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, FOR ALL OF THE OTHER WINDOWS, THE HOMEOWNER WISHES TO REPLACE THEM WITH NEW WINDOWS, SAME OPENINGS, BUT NEW WINDOWS.
THE HOMEOWNER HAS BEEN, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH LIVING IN THESE OLD STRUCTURES, BUT THEY, THEY, AS THEY PUT IT TO ME, THEY'RE, THEY WANT NEW WINDOWS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, NICE CLEAN NEW WINDOWS THAT ARE ENERGY
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EFFICIENT AND DON'T LEAK AND OPERATE AND ET CETERA.I'VE MENTIONED TO THEM, UH, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE AS WELL THAT THERE O ARE OTHER, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, UH, CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO RESTORE THESE WINDOWS.
UM, BUT THEY'VE GOTTEN THE WINDOW QUOTE, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T SCARE 'EM OFF WITH SEEING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STICKER PRICE.
UM, AND I PUT TOGETHER THIS WINDOW SURVEY FOR THEM.
UM, AND SO REALLY EVERY, EVERY, UM, WINDOW THAT'S THAT YOU SEE ESSENTIALLY, EXCEPT FOR THE, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL, UM, OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? OH, COMMISSIONER PRESI.
SO, UH, THE THREE WINDOWS THAT WE SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE, UH, ONE, TWO, AND THREE, UM, THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED.
AND WILL WE, WILL THEY BE, UH, REPLACED WITH THE SAME CONFIGURATION OF WHAT THE 12 OVER ONE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS AND THE UH YES, YES, CORRECT.
AND THEY'LL BE, UM, THROUGH THE DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOW, RIGHT? AND, AND THEY'VE GOT THAT, UM, UM, THOSE SPECS FROM THE WINDOW COMPANY THAT, THAT SPELLS ALL THAT OUT AND, UM, YES, THAT, THAT'S THE INTENT TO, UH, COPY, UH, REPLICATE THE EXACT, UM, BUTTON DESIGN AND, AND WHATNOT.
I THINK FOR EXAMPLE, ACTUALLY THAT THIS ATTIC WINDOW ISN'T INCLUDED IN THERE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, EVERY, EVERY WINDOW IS, I HAVE A QUESTION.
ARE YOU DONE COMM? I I THINK COMMISSIONER PERGO HAS TURNED UP.
IS MICROPHONE SET YOU COMMISSIONER? IF HE'S NOT DONE, CONTINUE.
I SEE YOU DID A WINDOW SURVEY AND EVERY WINDOW SAID IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED, AND I'M NOT CONFIDENT THAT THAT IS TOTALLY ACCURATE.
SO CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF THESE WINDOWS? UH, IT SEEMED A LITTLE UNUSUAL THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE WINDOWS ARE TRASHED AND YOU'RE PUTTING IN ALL NEW ONES.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS WHAT, WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN SAVE.
AND IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE ONE OF THEM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT ARE THESE WINDOWS ALL A HUNDRED PERCENT ROTTEN THAT THEY'RE FALLING OUT OF THE FRAMES AND AND THEY NEED TO BE REPAIRED? WHAT IS THE DEAL? YES.
I MEAN, THIS IS A TYPICAL, THERE'S, THIS IS A TYPICAL, UM, I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN, BUT, UM, WE HAVE KIND OF TYPICAL ROT THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, THEY COMPLAIN OF LEAKAGE AND, UM, OPERABILITY CONCERNS, ALL OF WHICH COULD BE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REMEDIED.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET INTO THAT DETAIL IN THIS SURVEY.
IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S MORE ABOUT, UH, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UM, GET NEW WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY, UM, WHICH ONES MIGHT, MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE SALVAGED.
FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU GO WITH A, A, A PEN OR A KEY AND YOU PUSH INTO THE LOWER KEY IF THE PEN OR THE KEY WILL GO INTO THE WOOD, BUT THAT WAS NOT DONE.
UM, I, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW BAD THESE WINDOWS ARE IF THEY JUST NEED TO BE SCRAPED AND RECO AND PUDI.
UM, SOMETIMES YOU GET SOME BONDO IN THERE.
SOMETIMES YOU TAKE THE LOWER SASH OUT AND REPAIR IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON HOW BAD THESE ALL THESE WINDOWS ARE THAT NEED TO BECOME COME OUT.
WE, WE JUST HAVE THESE, THESE, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, YOU ARE TAKING OUT A SERIES OF WINDOWS THEM, UH, ON THE, ON THE BACK HALF WITH WINDOWS THAT ARE HIGHER UP.
ARE SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS THE SAME SIZE AS OTHER WINDOWS? THOSE SASHES BE REPLAY, UH, RE CAN YOU, CAN YOU TAKE WINDOWS AND PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE? ARE THEY THE SAME SIZE AS OTHER WINDOWS ON THE OTHER PART OF THE HOME? THE NEW WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE OCCURRING
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AS PART OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO OF THIS APPLICATION, WHICH IS THESE ALTERATIONS AT THE BACK.MM-HMM
AND SO THIS IS A UNIQUE, UH, WINDOW SIZE.
SO THE ANSWER THAT NO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULDN'T WORK HERE.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT ONES ON THE SIDE? THERE'S SOME ON THE SIDE THAT ARE COMING OUT AND PUTTING IN THE SMALL WINDOWS FOR THE, THE DRUMS AND PERCUSSIONS THEY PUT UP AGAINST THE WALL.
THOSE ON THE SIDE, ARE THEY THE SAME SIZE? THE OTHER WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE? UH, THEY, THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE THAT SAME SIZE.
BUT AGAIN, THE, THE HOMEOWNER ISN'T LOOKING TO SALVAGE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING AS PART OF ITEM THREE IN THIS APPLICATION.
THEY JUST SIMPLY WANT TO HAVE BRAND NEW ONES.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROPERTY WANTS, BUT NOT, NOT BE NECESSARILY WHAT WE WANT.
SO WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE I THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY YOU NEED APPROVAL OF ALL THE WINDOWS AND PUT IN NEW ONES.
THAT, THAT, UM, THAT PARTICULAR WINDOW SIZE, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK IS REPEATED.
UM, UM, AT, WELL, I ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW.
SO SOME OF THESE, LIKE THIS WINDOW SIZE FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME LOCATION, SAME AREA THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO, THAT GETS REPEATED ON THE LEFT ELEVATION.
UM, AND, BUT I, I GUESS THE POINT IS I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE ARE ANY MORE OR LESS DETERIORATED THAN THE OTHER ONES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THAT EVEN MATTERS.
BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME, WE HAVE TWO SASHES THAT NEEDS TO, WE HAVE EIGHT SASHES ON THOSE FOUR WINDOWS.
SOME OF THOSE SASHES WILL BE SALVAGED.
YOU, YOU HAVE EIGHT WINDOWS, YOU TAKE EIGHT FOUR WINDOWS WITH THE FOUR TWO SASHES, RIGHT? THAT'S EIGHT SASHES ON THE BACK.
IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? IS IT, IS IT ON THE, THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE REAR THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT? THE WINDOWS THAT ARE, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE COMING OUT TO BE REPLAYED, ARE THOSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE? THOSE FOUR ON THE BACK? UM, THESE WINDOWS ARE COMING OUT AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A DIFFERENT WINDOW SIZE.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS THOSE FOUR WINDOWS HAVE TWO SASHES, THAT IS FOUR SASHES THAT CAN BE REPAIR, REPLACING OTHER SASHES, OTHER PLACES OF THE HOUSE.
THOSE WINDOWS ARE THE SAME SIZE AS OTHER WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE? I, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY ARE.
CAN YOU CHECK YOUR WINDOW SURVEY OR THIS ARE THE DIMENSIONS ON THE WINDOW SURVEY? YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE THESE, THESE WINDOWS ARE DRAWN ACCURATELY AND FOR EXAMPLE, THEY, THEY DON'T, UM, LIKE YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT OF THE, OF THE DRAWING HERE WHERE I'M PUTTING MY CURSOR, THAT'S A DIFFERENT WINDOW SIZE.
AND THAT'S MORE OF A TYPICAL WINDOW SIZE FOR THE HOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE.
BUT EVEN THIS WINDOW SIZE ONLY GETS REPEATED ONE OTHER LOCATION, I THINK.
SO, UM, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OF THOSE INSTANCES.
UM, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE I, I KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS BEING STATED ABOUT THE, THE CURRENT WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ASKING TO BE REPLACED WITH NEW WINDOWS.
ARE THEY BEYOND SALVAGEABLE? AND THAT IS WITHIN THE JUDGMENT OF THOSE WHO ARE ACCUSTOMED TO WORKING WITH WOOD WINDOWS AND HISTORIC HOUSES, WHICH I ASSUME THAT OUR ARCHITECT FRIEND AARON, UH, IS, IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
AND I'M USING YOUR FIRST NAME SO I DON'T SAY YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN.
SO, UM, THE PRACTICES THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CRAFTSMEN WHO KNOW HOW TO FIX OLD WOOD WINDOWS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE TO BE REPLACED BEYOND THOSE SERVICES.
I, I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
AND I, I THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND THAT IS OUR, FOR NEW ONES, I'D LOVE WINDOWS THAT DIDN'T LEAK TOO.
BUT, UM, GENERALLY WE GO WITH THE, I THINK WE GENERALLY GO WITH THE REPAIR IF, IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE.
HAVE THE, ARE THE OWNERS AT ALL INTERESTED IN THAT OR HAVE YOU EXPLORED THAT ISSUE WITH THEM AND THEY EXPRESSED, UH, A NO ON THAT? YES.
UM, I'VE, I'VE, UM, DISCUSSED THAT AT LEAST A COUPLE TIMES.
AND THEN THE TASK FORCE SIMILARLY, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED THAT, UH, BUT THEY, THEY STILL WANTED TO PURSUE THIS.
UM, AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT THIS PROCESS IS ABOUT PRECEDENT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING, UH, WHERE WE SEE EVEN ON PROTECTIVE FACADES, UM, WITH LITTLE DOCUMENT, LITTLE NO DOCUMENTATION THAT THESE, UH, WINDOWS ARE GETTING REPLACED.
AND SO I I SAID TO THEM, WELL, THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TRY AND, AND SEE WHAT, WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SAY.
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YOU CAN TRY AND IF, IF YOU ARE AWARE OF BUILDINGS WHERE WOODEN WINDOWS HAVE BEEN PUT IN THAT WE DIDN'T APPROVE OF, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THE CITIZEN WHO REPORTS THAT I WOULD, BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU.NOW WE UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS ABOUT ANY PART OF THIS? OH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
READY? I HAVE NO QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, IF, ARE THERE NO OTHER QUESTIONS AND WE CAN'T SEE YOU AT HOME, SO YOU'D HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER REEVES DOES HAVE A QUESTION.
HAVE ANY OF THESE WINDOWS EVER BEEN REPLACED? THEY APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL TO ME, SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE, I MEAN, I I I LIVED IN A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1880 IN MICHIGAN, AND THEY, IT HAD THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND I OPTED FOR DOUBLE GLAZING.
UM, SO THEY JUST WANT ALL NEW WINDOWS THAT MATCH AND DON'T LEAK.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, IN THE MATTER OF D 3 54 0 6 JUNIOR STREET IN THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 9 0 CM, I MOVE TO APPROVE BOTH ITEMS ONE AND TWO PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ITEM THREE, ALSO PER PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS READ INTO THE RECORD, CITING THE APPLICABLE PRE APPLICABLE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT MET THE BURDEN OF PROOF NECESSARY TO WARRANT REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS, UM, BY DOCUMENTING THE SEVERITY OF DETERIORATION.
SECOND, THE SECOND WAS FROM COMMISSIONER REEVES.
THAT'S A FABULOUS FABULOUSLY WORDED MOTION.
IT'S SO HARD TO MAKE GOOD MOTIONS.
SO LET, LET US PRAISE SOMEONE WHO HAS, WHO HAS WORDED THE MOTION PROPERLY.
THAT'S NOT APPROVAL OF A MOTION THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SAYING IT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ARE WE READY TO VOTE? YES, I WOULD.
TYPICALLY, THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ARE FINE AND THEY ARE VERY WELL, UH, AGED TO THE POINT THAT THEY'RE VERY TOUGH.
UH, TYPICALLY A NEW WINDOW YOU GET TODAY IS NOT AS HIGH A QUALITY AS THE WOOD THAT YOU AND THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND CHECKING ALL THE WINDOWS OUT AND RE-PUTTING THEM.
SOMETIMES THE PUTTY IS A PROBLEM.
AND YOU CAN PUT NEW GLAZING IN TO GET THE GLASS IN TIGHTER AND KEEP AIR FROM BLOWING THROUGH.
BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND KEEPING YOUR WINDOWS UNLESS THEY ARE IN VERY BAD CONDITION.
IF THAT'S ALL OF THE DISCUSSION, I'M READY TO CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WELL, IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED, UH, THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
NOW, SINCE THERE WAS DENIALS INVOLVED IN THIS, THE APPLICANT, THE OWNERS COULD APPEAL TO CPC FOR A FEE, BUT, UM, AS USUAL, THAT COULD BE A DIFFICULT PROCESS.
THEIR, THEIR RULING WILL BE ENTIRELY DEPEND ON WHERE THEY THINK WE RULED WRONGLY.
WE DIDN'T INTERPRET THESE STANDARDS.
MUCH BETTER TO COME BACK AND WORK WITH US.
ALL RIGHTY, LET'S GO TO DAY SIX.
UM, I FIRST WANTED TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER POSI ASKED ROOF WAS REPLACED IN 2012 WITH MATCHING COLOR AND MATERIAL.
SO, ORIGINAL SLATE, I MEAN, NATURAL SLATE WITH THE SAME COLOR SCHEME.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 6 62 0 5 LA VISTA DRIVE, SWISS AVENUE HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 3 9 5 CM A REQUEST.
THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLACE EXISTING SLATE SHINGLE ROOF WITH DA VINCI PROVINCE SYNTHETIC SLATE IN THE COLOR VINEYARD STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING SLATE SHINGLE ROOF WITH DA VINCI PROVINCE SYNTHETIC SLATE IN THE COLOR VINEYARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT
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WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING SLATE SHINGLE ROOF WITH DA VINCI PROVINCE SYNTHETIC SLATE IN THE COLOR VINEYARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.MATERIALS ARE NOT TYPICAL OF THE STYLE AND PERIOD OF THE HOME.
THE EXISTING SLATE SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH A NATURAL SLATE RATHER THAN SYNTHETIC SLATE.
WE DO HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST, BUT EVERYBODY WHO'S GONNA SPEAK HAS TO DO THE WHOLE, TELL ME YOUR NAME, TELL ME YOUR ADDRESS, PROMISE, TELL ME THE TRUTH THING.
MY NAME IS MONICA SAMSON AND I LIVE IN SIX TWO 4:00 AM BRIGADE DRIVE IN SHADY SHORES, TEXAS.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
SO WE HAVE A, UH, AT, AT THAT, AT THAT LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WE HAVE A SLATE ROOF THAT IS VERY OLD.
IT'S VERY, IT'S CRACKED AND IT'S SEVERELY DAMAGED.
SO WE HAVE TRIED TO REPLACE IT, BUT THE MANUFACTURER IN CHINA NO LONGER EXISTS.
UM, THEY LOST THEIR LICENSE AND THEY DISAPPEARED DECADES AGO.
AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME SLATE.
WE TRY TO REPAIR IT MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S LIKE BEYOND REPAIR.
AND I HAVE MY EXPERT ROOFER HERE AND I HAVE EXAMPLES OF THE DA VINCI SLATE THAT WE PLAN TO USE.
YOU WANT MY, YOU WANT MY ADDRESS AT HOME OR MY COMPANY ADDRESS OR, UH, YOU CAN DO THE COMPANY ONE.
MY NAME IS ANTHONY JOSEPH, AJ.
AND, UH, 5 5 5 2 TENDERFOOT TRAIL, FORT WORTH, TEXAS.
SO AS FAR AS THE SLATE GOES, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
'CAUSE SLATE IS REALLY GOING OBSOLETE.
AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE OF THE TEXAS WEATHER CONDITIONS.
UH, ANYTHING AT 1.75 DIAMETER HAIL WILL, WILL SHATTER AND CRACK SLATE AS, AS FAR AS THE DA VINCI, IT'S SYNTHETIC.
IT CAN, IT CAN WITHSTAND A LOT MORE.
IT'S DURABILITY, IT'S COLOR SCHEME IS ALMOST THE SAME.
UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S A DAVINCI SHINGLE ON, UH, 6 2, 2 3 LA VISTA DRIVE AS WELL THAT I NOTICED.
AND, UH, IT'S A LOT MORE SAFER IN MY OPINION.
IT'S JUST MY OPINION BECAUSE, UH, SLATE FLIES OFF A ROOF AND HIT SOMEBODY.
IT CAN REALLY DO SOME DAMAGE, NATURALLY DO SOME DAMAGE TO PEOPLE'S CARS.
UH, THIS DA VINCI'S A LOT LESS LIKELY THAN SLATE TO HURT SOMEBODY THAT IT COMES OFF A ROOF AND, UH, SHE'S ACTUALLY HOLDS PRETTY GOOD, A LOT MORE BETTER THAN SLATE WOULD ON A ROOF AS FAR AS DURABILITY WISE AS WELL.
IS THAT ALL FOR NOW OR DO YOU HAVE YEAH, WELL, IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, TEXAS WEATHER CONDITIONS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE.
THE HAIL HAS GOTTEN BIGGER AND EVERYTHING NOW.
I WAS JUST EXAMINING THE, THE FAKE SLATE.
I HAD TO TAP ON IT LIKE I WOULD EVER TAP ON A ROOF OR SAY, I DON'T THAT ONE.
THEY, THEY ACTUALLY WHERE I DID THAT, BUT THEY HAVE IT AT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO CHECK IF YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK YOURSELVES TO SEE HOW IT LOOKS ON THE ROOF AT 6 2 2 3 LA VISTA DRIVE.
IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE HOW IT LOOKS AT A DISTANCE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TRY.
OKAY, SO LET ME ASK COMMISSIONERS WHAT QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS COMMISSIONER CO.
UM, HAVE YOU PUT TO IDENTIFY ANY, UM, PRODUCTS.
I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A SUPPLY CHAIN PROBLEM NOW THAT THE ORIGINAL SLATE MANUFACTURERS DISAPPEARED IN CHINA SOMEWHERE.
ARE THERE, UM, OTHER MANUFACTURERS IN THE UNITED STATES? YES, SIR.
ARE THEY ANY GOOD? UH, LIKE I SAID, TEXAS WEATHER CONDITIONS, I, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH PUTTING SLATE ON A ROOF.
THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT SLATE IS SLATE.
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OTHER QUESTIONS MR. PREZI? OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.COMMISSIONER OFFIT, UH, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS FOR STAFF AND BASED ON THE SWISS AVENUE COORDINATES ITSELF, IS IT, WHEN IS IT ALLOWED SLASH APPROPRIATE TO CHANGE OUT MATERIALS ON ROOFS? AND I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT THAT'S HAPPENED, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY ALL THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.
UM, UNDER THE ROOFS IT STATES IT HAS TO BE APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE, WHATEVER THE ROOF IS.
HOWEVER, YOU WANNA ALSO MAINTAIN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE WITHOUT CHANGING IT, IF YOU CAN.
THERE'S, I DON'T THINK SWISS, I THINK IT'S VERY OPEN.
I BELIEVE IT'S SECTION, UH, BIT NINE.
IF I, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE TO CHANGE OUT SLATE OR SOMETHING ELSE.
IS THAT CORRECT? IF IT WOULD DEPEND ON EACH INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURE AND WHAT THE ROOF MATERIAL YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE OUT, IT HAS TO STILL BE COMPATIBLE TO THE STYLE OF THE HOME.
YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE OKAY, LEMME ASK, LEMME ASK IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
UH, VIRGINIA MCALLISTER'S HOME, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO'S VIRGINIA IS AND HOW PRECISE SHE WAS ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, THAT ROOF WAS OVER THE YEARS CHANGED OUT TO ASPHALT.
SO WAS THAT APPROPRIATE OR NOT? WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE? SLATE? UH, IF I WERE LOOKING AT IT, I WOULD SAY NO.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAIL HERE, BUT I DID WORK ON THE VINEYARD WHERE THERE ARE MANY SLATE HOUSES AND THEY STILL INSTALL THEM NOW.
UH, AND YES, THEY CAN FALL IF THEY'RE, IF THE WRONG NAILS OR SCREWS ARE USED, YOU KNOW, WRONG METAL, COPPER VERSUS STEEL.
AND IF THEY WROUGHT OUT THEY CAN.
BUT IF THEY'RE PROPERLY INSTALLED, UH, UH, A A ROCK STONE WILL LAST LONGER THAN WE WILL ESSENTIALLY.
AND YOU KNOW, I SAY IF THE MAJORITY OF THE SLATE ROOF IS STILL WELL INTACT, WHY NOT WEAVE IN OTHER PIECES OF NATURAL SLATE BECAUSE OF THE VARIATION IN THE COLOR OF THIS SPECIFIC ROOF? I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY WELL BLENDED.
NO ONE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO TELL WHERE THE PATCHWORK IS.
UM, WELL, YOU DONE I CAN ADD I THINK I CAN.
COMMISSIONER PRESI THINKS HE KNOWS HOW TO DEAL WITH WHERE WE ARE NOW.
SO I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS WOULD BE CAN YOU SOURCE ORIGINAL REPLACEMENT TILES TO BE WEAVED INTO THIS, UM, EXISTING, UH, SLATE YOU COULD SOURCE SLATE TO WEAVE INTO THE EXIST TO REPAIR THE PATCHES AND WEAVE INTO THE EXISTING? IT'S, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND I GOT STORM SEAL, WHICH IS, UH, I, I HAD TO SEAL THE WHOLE ROOF BECAUSE IT WAS BAD.
YOU CAN'T JUST PATCH HAIR PATCH THERE.
LIKE, IT'S NOT, I WOULDN'T WORK ON IT LIKE IT IS.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T EVEN TRY TO PATCH IT.
THAT'S HOW MUCH DAMAGE THAT IS ON THIS ROOF.
I DON'T MEAN PATCH IT LIKE YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO REMOVE THE ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, CAREFULLY REMOVE ALL THE SLATE, REDO THE UNDERLAYMENT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO PUT A SYNTHETIC, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN ON IT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE THE ROOF ANYWAY WHEN YOU'RE, IF YOU REPLACE IT WITH SYNTHETIC.
SO WHY NOT CAREFULLY REMOVE EACH SLATE AND THEN FILL IN WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS THAT IS DAMAGED? THAT, THAT WAS MY
BUT WHEN IT HAILS AGAIN NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT IMPACT RESISTANT.
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UP TO 1.75 AND YOU GUYS GET OVER THAT ON A, ON A, ON A, ON A BASIS THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES A YEAR SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT DURABLE TO HOLD, WITHSTAND THEM HITS.YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE IT CONSTANTLY, WHETHER YOU GO BACK UP WITH SLATE OR NOT.
BUT I STILL SAY SYNTHETIC IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.
AND I KNOW HE ASKED IN THE ORDINANCE, IT IS SECTION N THE ROOF FORMS NUMBER TWO, MATERIALS AND COLORS, ROOF MATERIALS AND COLORS MUST COMPLEMENT THE STYLE AND OVERALL COLOR SCHEME OF THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.
TAR AND GRAVEL BUILDUP IS ONLY PERMITTED AS A ROOF MATERIAL ON UNCOVERED PORCHES AND PORTICO SHARES WITH FLAT ROOFS.
HOWEVER, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA REPLACE IN KIND LIFE WOULD LIKE WHEN WE CAN, THAT WAS STAFF'S POSITION AS WELL AS TASK FORCE.
UM, WELL, IT'S RIGHT, IT'S STILL TIME FOR QUESTIONS, SO LET'S GET ALL QUESTIONS OUT OF THE WAY.
AND COMMISSIONER RAISE HAS BEEN WAVING AT ME A WHILE.
WELL, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING AT HOME, YOU LOOK STUFF UP ONLINE, THERE'S A PRODUCT THAT'S A REAL SLATE THAT, BUT IT, YOU PUT IT UP, IT SAYS IT'S, UH, IT'S HAND QUARRIED AND IT'S WATERPROOF AND IT'S KIND OF TAIL PROOF AND, AND YOU CAN USE IT UNLOAD PITCHED ROOTS, BUT IT'S ACTUAL SLATE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU PUT IT UP JUST LIKE YOU WOULD ASPHALT SHINGLES.
I THINK I WANNA LET MS. REEVES KNOW THAT I, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING THAT THE PITCH OF THIS ROOF IS EXTREMELY HIGH AND THEREFORE IT TAKES DIFFERENT SLATE THAN THAT.
AND I CAN'T CONTRADICT THAT 'CAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU, YOU, WELL, THIS PARTICULAR
IT, IT SAYS THAT IT IS, IT IS ALSO FOR LOW PITCHED ROOF, WHICH IS, IS HARD TO KEEP WATER OUT OF LOW PICTURE TRUTH.
AND, UM, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY SHARE THAT WITH STAFF.
'CAUSE STAFF IS WHO CAN DISCUSS ALTERNATE PRODUCTS WITH PEOPLE.
UM, COMMISSIONER RENO, HAVE YOU BEEN SITTING OVER THERE PATIENTLY WAITING FOR ME? GO AHEAD.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE SLATE THAT'S ON THE HOME ALREADY.
UM, DID I, I THOUGHT I HEARD, UH, SOMEONE MENTION WHEN THIS ROOF WAS PLACED 2012 AND IT'S LASTED 12 YEARS.
UM, ALSO THE DIMENSIONAL SIZE OF IT.
UM, IT SEEMS WIDER THAN NORMAL TO ME.
I, THAT'S JUST FROM YOUR OBSERVATION.
UM, HAVE YOU MEASURED THE SLATE? IF YOU YEAH, IF YOU ACTUALLY PUT 'EM UP SIDE BY SIDE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE.
YEAH, I, I ACTUALLY GOTTA SAY VIN, SHE DID A REAL GOOD JOB AS FAR AS DIAMETER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
OH, AND THEN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON WILL BE AFTER COMMISSIONER OSA.
UH, WANTED TO ASK, UM, IF, IF THE, WE APPROVED, UH, REMOVAL OF THIS, UH, IN REPLACEMENT WITH THE, THE DA VINCI WOULD, WOULD Y'ALL TAKE AWAY ALL THAT SLATE? WOULD Y'ALL REMOVE ALL THAT SLATE? UH, DOWN TO THE, TO THE WHATEVER? YES, MA'AM.
BECAUSE WE HAD TO PUT, UH, BELT DOWN, NEW BELT DOWN AND NEVER DOWN SYNTHETIC BELT.
AND WE HAVE TO CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, RAFTERS OR ANY, ANY, ANY WOOD THAT'S ROTTEN UP THERE THAT WE'VE GOTTA REPLACE AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, I THINK YOU WERE NEXT IN LINE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IS THAT'S THE, THE ENTIRE SWATCH PALETTE COLOR? IT JUST, THIS ONE OF 'EM IS THE VINEYARD.
THE OTHER ONE IS A LIGHT GRAY.
IT DOESN'T REPRESENT THE VARIATION.
I WAS JUST, IT'S, IT, IT, IT, IT ACTUALLY MIMICS IT PRETTY GOOD.
THE ROOF THAT'S UP THERE NOW, THIS
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YES, SIR.WHO ELSE WAS ONLINE? COMMISSIONER AND ANDREW QUESTION? KAIN AND ANDERSON.
HAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON ALREADY SPOKE ON THIS ONE? I DON'T REMEMBER.
UH, AND THEN COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, I SEE YOU WAVING AT ME.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THIS, UH, IMITATION SLATE MADE OF? JUST, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL? IT'S SYNTHETIC.
IT'S A, IT'S A VINYL PLASTIC MIXTURE.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WE KNOW WHAT SLATE LOOKS LIKE AFTER TWO OR 300 YEARS ON A HOUSE OR A ON A BUILDING.
DO WE KNOW, IS THERE STUDIES BEEN TO SHOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THE HOTTEST THE SUN WHEN THIS PLASTIC PRODUCT GETS FRIED? IS IT GOING TO GET WHITE? IS IT GOING TO GET WELL, SO FAR, SO FAR, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, SO FAR, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT DA VINCI THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE IN, UH, DALLAS, THAT'S ON THE HISTORICAL, ONE OF THE HISTORICAL HOUSES OVER THERE IS ALSO, UH, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.
SO I, I HAVEN'T GOT ON THE ROOF.
I DON'T WANNA KNOCK ON THEM PEOPLE'S DOOR AND THEY CAN I SEE YOUR PRODUCT AND SEE HOW IT LOOKS, BUT ACTUALLY THEY, THEY BACK IT UP TO 50 YEARS, THEY SAY, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN OUT THAT LONG.
SO NOBODY REALLY KNOWS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE TEXAS SUN WITH THIS PRODUCT.
WELL ACTUALLY, UM, THEY HAD, LIKE I SAID, THEY HAD THIS, UH, THEY HAVE IT AT 6 2, 2 3 LA VISTA DRIVE ALREADY THIS SAME PRODUCT.
SO THIS SAME PRODUCT THAT'S ALREADY OVER THERE IS, IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY HAD IT, IF IT'S BEEN THERE A YEAR, IF IT'S BEEN THERE THREE YEARS, IF IT'S BEEN THERE THREE YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS APPROVED THROUGH Y'ALL TO PUT IT UP ON THAT HOUSE, BUT IT'S THERE.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, THAT JUST FOR, UM, YOUR INFORMATION, YOU MENTIONED 6 2 2 3 LA VISTA.
IS THAT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? YES, IT IS.
THAT WAS, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT BEFORE.
I THINK I WOULD REMEMBER THE COW
WHEN YOU PUT THOSE PRODUCTS DOWN AND IT'S ON A SOLID SURFACES, NOT REALLY GOING ANYWHERE AS LONG AS IT'S INSTALLED.
IT HOLDS UP THE TWO, IT IS SHOWING TWO INCH HAIL, BUT THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE REGULAR SLATE'S 1.75.
SO I SAY THAT SYNTHETIC IS ACTUALLY HOLDING UP BETTER THAN REGULAR SLATE, THE HAIL.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR.
I'M JUST ALSO VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PRODUCT.
I'VE ACTUALLY USED THIS PRODUCT ON A, UH, UH, ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING CARNEGIE LIBRARIES, UH, IN TEXAS.
SO I'M, I'M VERY, UH, REHEARSED WITH THE PRODUCT.
THE, UM, BUT MY QUESTIONS ARE, THIS IS ALSO, UH, STORK MATERIALS AND WE DON'T LIKE, UM, WE LIKE TO REPLACE IN KIND AS WE'VE HEARD, UH, THE, THE SLATE THAT'S THERE.
THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT THE SIZES.
WHAT'S THE THICKNESS OF THE SLATE THAT'S THERE, THAT'S, THAT HAS BEEN FAILING.
IT'S, IT'S WHEN YOU BUT IT UP AGAINST SIDE BY SIDE.
IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY, I GO AHEAD.
SLATE THICKNESSES I KNOW COMES IN THREE SIXTEENTHS, UP TO THREE EIGHTHS, TYPICALLY A QUARTER INCH THICK.
THEY HOLD UP, THEY'VE BEEN HOLDING UP FOR A LONG, I, I HAVE A, A 90-YEAR-OLD HOUSE WITH SLATE ROOF.
UM, BEEN GOING THROUGH STORMS FOR A WHILE.
THEY, THEY HOLD UP REALLY WELL.
I'VE SEEN SLATE USED, UH, ON DORMERS IN, UH, VERTICAL APPLICATIONS AS WELL.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ROOF PITCHES.
UM, SO I'M WONDERING, IT'S THREE INCH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CONDITION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE.
IF IT'S A THINNER SLATE TILE THAT'S USED.
UH, THIS IS THREE EIGHT, THIS IS THREE EIGHT.
POST REPLACEMENT IS THREE EIGHTS.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S UP THERE NOW? IT'S THE SAME SIZE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING WITH THREE EIGHTS AN OLD NEW, OKAY.
SO THE THICKNESS IS THREE-EIGHTS, THE EXISTING THAT'S UP THERE IS THREE-EIGHTHS.
WELL I THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWER.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? IF NOT, UH,
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I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.THEY HAVE A REAL, I GUESS THEY HAVE A CAP ON.
BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RIDGE? THE RIDGE.
BUT IT'S ONE PIECE THAT OVERLAPS RATHER THAN RATHER THAN TWO.
ALRIGHT, IF THAT'S ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS, THEN IT'S TIME FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, ARE YOU GONNA MAKE A MOTION?
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
DO I NEED TO READ? OH, I NEED TO DO ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THAT READING ABOUT THE ADDRESS AND THE CA NUMBER AND ALL THAT.
UM, I MOVED FOR 62 0 5 VISTA DRIVE, WEST AVENUE HISTORICAL DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 DASH 3 9 5 CORIN CM CLOSE PERIN, UH, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT, UH, STAFF A TASK FORCE RE RECOMMENDATION.
WE CANNOT MOVE TO ACCEPT A TAX FOR TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION ONLY A STAFF ONE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO YOU'RE MOVING TO, TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, FOR THEIR REASONS THAT THEY GAVE? YES.
THAT THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THIS TO YOU? THAT THE REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE IS TO REPLACE EXISTING SLIGHT SHINGLE ROOF WITH THE VINCI PROVINCE SYNTHETIC SLATE AND THE COLOR BRINE.
THE VINEYARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THIS PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY CODE SECTION 51.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE SECTION FOR CONTINUING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
I, I JUST DUNNO HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THAT SO QUICKLY.
UM, I'LL HAVE A SECOND ON THIS.
AND WHO WAS THE SECOND? I THINK ANDERSON FIRST.
IS THERE ANY COMMENT, LIVINGSTON? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF I MAY.
WELL, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON ALREADY HAD SPOKEN, SO LET'S LET HIM GO.
I JUST, I JUST, UM, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, OR I, SOMEONE ASKED IT BEFORE ME ABOUT THE ORDINANCE IN THE REGULATION REQUIREMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO HISTORIC, UM, AS FAR AS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S CONSISTENT, BECAUSE IN MY MIND, THE MATERIAL, THE PRODUCT IS TRYING TO, TO BE DESIGNED TO EMULATE THAT HISTORIC PRODUCT, UM, WITH A CONSIDERATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WEATHER TOLERANCE.
UM, SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT TORN ON THAT PRODUCT IN COMPARISON WITH A COMP ROOF OR SOME OF THE OTHER PHOTOS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT THE WHOLE DESIGN OF THAT PRODUCT IS FOR, WHICH IS TO MIMIC ORIGINAL SLATE, BUT WITH MORE DURABILITY.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MY, I'M TORN 'CAUSE MY COMMON SENSE KIND OF RESPONSE TO THAT EFFORT IS LIKE, OKAY, SO THAT'S WHY I WON'T BE SUPPORTING A MOTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT AFTER COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IF THERE WAS A, A ONCE IN A LIFETIME, HOPEFULLY, UH, A HAILSTORM OF ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, AND MANY OF THE SLATE AND TILE, MOST OF THEM ON TWIST WERE DAMAGED.
AND LITERALLY ALL OF THEM CAME BACK.
THEY WENT THROUGH, GOT, UH, THE, THE, THE TILE MANUFACTURERS CAME TO THE LAKEWOOD LIBRARY AND THEY ALL GOT TOGETHER AND MATCHED THE COLOR, UH, TILES AND SLATE THEY HAD.
AND LITERALLY ALL OF THE HOUSES GOT NEW SLATE ROOFS FROM THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES.
SO THERE IS A BIT OF A PRECEDENT, IF YOU WILL, THAT HOUSES IN SWISS AVENUE KEEP THE ORIGINAL TILES AND SLATE IF THEY'RE ALL POSSIBLE.
FURTHERMORE, IT APPEARS THAT MOST OF THE SLATE IS STILL UP THERE, A SLATE AND TILE PROTECTED ROOF.
THERE'S A, UM, UH, SOMETHING GOES DOWN
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A FELT, SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO TAKE THE SLATE OFF AND REPAIR THE SLATE.UM, THE ROOF REPAIR, THE, UM, FELT AND PUT THE TILE BACK ON AND REPAIR, REPLACE THE, THAT WHAT IS MISSING.
SO I, I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF THERE WAS NO SLATE LEFT AND WE WERE STARTING FROM SCRATCH, BUT THE BACK DOOR OF THE SLATE IS STILL THERE.
WE'D BE THROWING AWAY THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL FOR NO GOOD REASON.
I I'VE ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE MATERIALS BECAUSE OF THE INCREDIBLE MIX WE HAVE WITHIN OUR DISTRICT, UH, TILES COMING OFF AND, UH, COMPOSITION GOING UP AND NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE, UH, FROM A DISTANCE.
UH, SO I'M, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION BECAUSE OUR, OUR ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS FOR COMPLIMENTARY MATERIALS TO MESH, UH, WITH, WITH WHAT WAS THERE FOR.
I HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT FOR THE, ACTUALLY FOR CLARIFICATION, PLEASE.
GOING BACK TO THIS MATERIALS, UM, QUESTIONING, UM, IS THE, OR AM I TO UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE WILL ALLOW A SYNTHETIC PRODUCT TO REPLACE, UH, YES IN THIS SITUATION HERE? IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY IT.
ROOF FORMS ROMAN TWO MATERIALS AND COLORS.
ROOF MATERIALS AND COLORS MUST COMPLIMENT THE STYLE AND OVERALL COLOR SCHEME OF THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.
TAR AND GRAVEL BUILDUP IS ONLY PERMITTED AS A ROOF MATERIAL UNCOVERED PORCHES AND PORT RICOCHETS WITH FLAT ROOFS.
I I WILL, I WILL BE SUPPORTING TO, UM, THAT DENIAL ON THE, UH, ON THE ROOF.
I DON'T THINK WE ARE IN A SITUATION TO START APPROVING SYNTHETIC MATERIALS, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD SUCH AS THIS.
AND ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THAT THERE'S A, A WARRANT, UH, A NEED FOR THIS BECAUSE OF, UH, LESSENING THE WEIGHT.
UM, I THINK, UH, SLATE TILES HAVE A HISTORY OF LASTING FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE MAY NEED TO BE SOME PATCHING FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT, UH, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING TO REPLACE THE ROOF, SO, ALL RIGHT.
IN THIS NATURE AND WITH MR. CUMMINGS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, ANYBODY ELSE.
I, UM, I'LL SAY THAT NORMALLY I DO NOT LIKE ARTIFICIAL MATERIALS REPLACING ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
UM, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT VINYL WINDOWS DO NOT LOOK RIGHT ON THE THING.
THAT'S WHY WE, WE DISLIKE THEM, THEY'RE INAPPROPRIATE.
UM, MOST OF THE CEMENTS BOARDS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO REPLACE WITH SIDING ARE NOT APPROVABLE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT SHAPES.
THEY, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THE ORIGINAL SIDING.
I'M, I'M SUSPECTING THAT THIS ARTIFICIAL SLATE ROOF, IF THE COLORS ARE RIGHT AND THAT IT PROBABLY AT A DISTANCE, YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
UM, I'M SUSPECTING THAT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T WITNESSED IT.
AND THEREFORE IN A QUANDARY AS TO WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO ABOUT THIS ONE, IT DOES APPEAR THAT IF THIS ROOF COMPLETELY FAILS, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK US FOR A PLAIN OLD, UGLY COMPOSITION ROOF.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE LESS GOOD THAN THE PLASTIC SLATE IS, EVEN IF REAL SLATE IS BETTER AND NOT, EVERYTHING'S NOT A YES OR NO.
SOME THINGS ARE A SLIDING SCALE, SO I'M NOT SURE, I WOULDN'T BE INCLINED TO ALLOW THEM TO GO AHEAD WITH THE ARTIFICIAL SLATE.
PERHAPS NOT UNTIL THOUGH THEY HAVE REEXAMINED NOT TO, NOT TO OPPOSE YOU, SIR.
THEY HAD A SECOND OPINION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD DO THAT WHOLE, TAKE THE SLATE, SLATE OFF AND, AND CHECK IT AGAIN, JUST TO VERIFY THAT THIS EXISTING BEAUTIFUL SLATE COULDN'T BE REUSED.
BUT ULTIMATELY, IF IT CAN'T, I THINK, I WOULD THINK THAT THE PLASTIC MIGHT BE A GOOD SOLUTION.
MR. COX, YOU HAVE AN OPINION? I DO.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER
WELL, VIRGINIA WOULDN'T HAVE, BUT, UH, DOROTHY MIGHT HAVE, AND I CAN REMEMBER SITTING IN THE GARDEN ROOM AND TALKING TO VIRGINIA ABOUT THIS, THAT SHE WAS PUTTING IN A CA FOR, UM, UM, REPLACING IMPEDIMENT ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE HER MOTHER HAD TAKEN OFF THE ORIGINAL SOME 20 YEARS EARLIER BECAUSE SHE WANTED THE HOUSE TO
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LOOK MORE MODERN AND THE SAVAGE HOUSE WAS NOT GOING TO EVER LOOK MORE MODERN, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU GO BACK TO THAT.BUT I DON'T THINK THAT COMES FROM MODERN, UM, HISTORICAL DISTRICT THINGS.
I THINK THAT'S JUST, UM, HOW THEIR FAMILY WENT ON THINGS.
AND YES, THEY, I HEARD ABOUT A MOTHER FROM VIRGINIA TOO.
SOME INTERESTING RELATIONSHIP.
AREN'T THEY ALL? UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS? ALRIGHT, THEN IT'S TIME TO VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL.
DISTRICT SEVEN, LIVINGSTON NAY.
DISTRICT 10, COX, DISTRICT 11, GAY NAY.
I HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9 YESES.
OKAY, SO THIS MOTION CARRIED IF, IF NOT BY A LOT, AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS WAS DENIAL.
IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A FEE TO APPEAL TO CPC, THE, UM, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND THEY, THEY WOULD SOLELY DETERMINE WHETHER THEY FEEL WE RULED IN ERROR THAT IS VIOLATED EXPECTATIONS OF THE ORDINANCE.
YOU COULD ALSO TRY COMING BACK WITH PERHAPS MORE EVIDENCE OF THE UTTER, UM, FAILURE OF THE EXISTING SLATE.
SOMETHING THAT MIGHT SWAY THOSE LAST FEW VOTES YOU NEEDED, UM, TO, TO A DIFFERENT RESOLUTION.
BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, YOU HAVE RECEIVED A DENIAL ON THIS REQUEST AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD.
WHAT WAS YOUR VOTE ON THAT? AYE.
SO THAT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO I'M SORRY THAT THINGS DID NOT GO QUITE YOUR WAY.
I REITERATE, I STILL AM NOT SURE WHICH WAY TO GO WITH THIS AND THAT THE, THIS MIGHT BE A WONDERFUL NEW SOLUTION.
HOW DID THE ER HOUSE GET APPROVAL? IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
AND IT MAY HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL.
I'M NOT GOING, I'M NOT INSINUATING ANYTHING, BUT THEY MAY HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT APPROVAL.
BUT EACH CASE IS UNIQUE AND STANDS ON ITS OWN.
SO EVEN IF WE LET EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WHOLE DISTRICT GET IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET LET YOU GET IT
SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND I'LL JUST GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
BUT YOU CANNOT TAKE THAT SLATE OFF, PUT IT BACK UP AND THINK IT'S GONNA BE ALL HUNKY DOORS.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THE WHOLE ROOF REGARDLESS.
TAKE YOU, TAKE THAT SLATE OFF.
YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IT BACK UP ONE OPTION YOU HAVE, BECAUSE THIS WAS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
IF YOU CAN COME BACK AND HAVE MORE EVIDENCE THAT REALLY CONVINCED THEM THAT IT CANNOT BE REDONE, THEN, THEN YOU CAN TRY AGAIN.
AND WHAT MIGHT HELP IS, I, I WOULD AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE IF YOU CONSULTED SOMEONE WHO REGULARLY WORKS WITH HISTORIC HOUSES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU DO THAT, BUT A SECOND OPINION OF SOMEONE WHO'S FIRST THOUGHT WHEN THEY SEE A STRUCK HOUSE IS, GOSH, I WANNA SAVE EVERY PART OF IT.
AND IF THEY AGREE THAT WE'D BE REALLY IMPRESSED, I SUPPOSE.
'CAUSE WE ASSUME MOST PEOPLE THINK IT'D BE EASIER TO START OVER.
IF I MAY ADD, I, WE'VE HAD, UM, ABOUT FIVE ROOFERS LOOK AT IT AND IT'S, THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT THE ROOF IS NO LONGER FUNCTIONING AND THAT THIS PRODUCT PERFORMS BETTER, HAS LESS WEIGHT, UM, LASTS LONGER, AND HELPS WITH THE TEMPERATURE AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD FIVE ROOFERS AT THIS POINT.
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IT WRAPPED INDEFINITELY, AND IT WAS NOT AN ANEX EXPENSIVE PROCESS TO HAVE THAT.SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR US TO UNWRAP IT AND REEVALUATE.
I'M, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO ANYTHING.
I HAVE NO TO DO THAT SUGGESTING, I'M SUGGESTING.
WHAT I PRETTY MUCH SAID WAS, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A NATURAL TENDENCY FOR PEOPLE WHO FIX THINGS TO THINK, WELL, IF I GOT RID OF ALL THE OTHER STUFF, I COULD FIX IT FROM NEW.
SO ASK SOMEONE IF, IF NONE OF THOSE FIVE THAT AGREED WERE PEOPLE WHO OFTEN WORK WITH HISTORIC HOUSES AND USUALLY SAY, LET'S TRY TO SAVE IT, FIND SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND LET THEM LOOK AT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
IT'S WHAT I WOULD DO IF YOU WERE MY SISTER AND I WANTED TO SUGGEST, BUT I CAN'T SUGGEST IT TO YOU AS, AS, AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION.
AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK TO US.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HELP YOU FIND A SOLUTION.
AND I, I'M ONE OF THE ONES ON THE FENCE, SO I'M SPEAKING AS A PERSON WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2 0 7 NORTH CLIFF STREET AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 3 85 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT CORNER LOT WITH AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT WITH AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 27 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT FOUNDATION TYPE VIA CRAWLSPACE FOUNDATION THAT FACE BRICK BE OH THAT FACE BRICK SKIRTING BE EXTENDED TO GRADE SLASH GROUND LEVEL ON ALL ELEVATIONS CONCEALING CONCRETE FOUNDATION.
AND THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT WITH AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT BE APPROVED AS AS SUBMITTED.
THAT WAS BECAUSE MY MICROPHONE WAS OFF.
I HAVE TWO SPEAKERS AND THEY'VE DETERMINED WHO'S GOING FIRST.
SO, UM, SIR, PLEASE, UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, MY CURRENT ADDRESS IS 9 4 3 2 AMBERTON PARKWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES.
YOU MAY DO SO FOR THE NEXT THREE MINUTES IF YOU WISH.
UM, SO, YEAH, UH, THIS IS, UM, MY WIFE AND I, THIS IS, UM, OUR HOME THAT WE'RE, UH, HOPING, UH, TO MOVE TO, UH, SHE'S MORE THE PUBLIC SPEAKER, UH, THAN I AM.
SO SHE'LL DO MOST OF THE TALKING
SO, UH, WE DID CHECK WITH HIM, UH, AND ALL THE CONDITIONS IN THE DOCKET AS LISTED, UH, ARE ACCEPTABLE AND, UH, UNDER, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT HE FINDS, UH, ACCEPTABLE.
YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING AND PROMISE FOR YOURSELF TO TELL THE TRUTH
UH, MY NAME'S DEANDRE ALEXANDER.
I LIVE AT 94 32 AMBERTON PARKWAY IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
UH, I DO AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND I AM THE BETTER PUBLIC SPEAKER
UM, I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT.
UM, YES, WE DID, WE DID DOUBLE CHECK THAT ALL OF THOSE CHANGES AND ALL OF THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
THIS STARTED THREE YEARS AGO BEFORE MY HUSBAND EVEN PROPOSED TO ME.
HE BOUGHT THIS LAND FOR ME, FOR THIS HOUSE.
SO, UM, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A
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VERY LONG TIME.SPENT A LOT OF INTENTIONAL TIME THINKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THIS, UH, HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE TO MAKE IT FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO GO WITH OUR, OUR, OUR LIVED VALUES AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MIDDLE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN ATTACHED A DU.
UM, I WILL BENEFIT GREATLY FROM IT 'CAUSE I GET TO MOVE MY MOM IN AND SHE CAN HELP ME WITH OUR BABY THAT'S DUE DECEMBER.
SO, UH,
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, GO AHEAD.
I NOTICED THAT THERE, UM, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT AGAIN, THE, UM, THE, THE BRICK IS ACTUALLY CALLED A RUSTIC BRICK AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN
I WOULD RECOMMEND A STRAIGHT BRICK BECAUSE EVEN OUR OLDEST HOUSES IN DALLAS DON'T HAVE TUMBLED OR RUSTIC.
AND ALSO THERE'S NO FASCIA BOARD, WHICH IS THE BOARD THAT GOES AROUND UNDERNEATH THE EAVES AND UNDER THE, THE PORCH.
SO IT NEEDS TO HAVE A FASCIA BOARD AND A BEAM EXPRESSION THAT WOULD HELP TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE APPROPRIATE.
ARE THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF MR. ANDERSON'S SUGGESTIONS JUST NOW? THAT SOUNDS FINE TO US.
HEY, TODAY WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS TELL US TO DO, LIKE A DEADLINE.
I MEAN, ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING THE FACIAL BOARD BIT AND YES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT JUST SAYING, YES, I'LL DO WHATEVER IT IS BECAUSE NO, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY ADD THAT IN THERE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT, BUT WE WILL TELL HIM TO ADD IT IN THERE, SO.
HE'LL, HE'LL, HE'LL UNDERSTAND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? NO.
YEAH, THE QUESTIONS I HAD WERE MORE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE OR NOT, OR
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THE, FOR THE HEARING IN THE MORNING, BUT I'LL ASK IT AGAIN.
LET, LET'S ALLOW HIM TO SPEAK BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO GET INTO ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND, OKAY.
UM, ARCHITECT, WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS.
LET ME UNSHARE AND SEE IF THAT'LL HELP.
I HEARD YOU'RE NEAR THE HURRICANE.
PLEASE BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
DARWIN BRATTON IN 41 21 HAMPTON HAMILTON AVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND YOU PROMISED THAT WHAT EVERYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE THE TRUTH TODAY? YES, MA'AM.
UH, WE HAD, UH, WITH THIS IS THE TIME WHEN WE ASK QUESTIONS OF OUR SPEAKERS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TO US OR WOULD YOU JUST RATHER WAIT FOR OUR QUESTIONS? UM, I CAN WAIT FOR THE QUESTIONS.
WELL, WE HAD ONE COMMISSIONER WHO WAS ABOUT TO ASK SOME ABOUT SOME ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, SO YOU ARRIVED AT THE PERFECT TIME.
I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BRICK MASONRY AT THE, AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING, UH, AROUND THE, THE FOUNDATION.
UM, I UNDERSTOOD FROM, UH, FROM DR. DUNN THAT THERE WAS A SWITCH ON HAVING ORIGINALLY IN THE DETAILS AS SHOWN AS MODULAR BRICK.
NOW IT'S, UM, A THIN FACE, A THIN BRICK, UH, THAT BASICALLY WORKS LIKE A WALL TILE.
UM, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE WAY THAT, UM, 'CAUSE THE BRICK WAS ALSO BEING USED AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN, UH, MATERIALS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE SIDING ON THE, UM, ON THE WOOD FRAMING OF THE WALLS.
AND THEN WHEN IT MEETS THE FOUNDATION, THERE WAS A A, A ROLL LOCK.
UM, BASICALLY A BRICK TURNED ON ITS SIDE AND SLOPE SO THAT WATER RUNS OFF THE SURFACE OF IT.
WHEN YOU SWITCH TO A, UM, A UH, A FIN BRICK MATERIAL, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TRANSITION ANYMORE.
I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU WERE INTENDING ON DETAILING THAT.
OH, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A BIT OF CONFUSION.
SO HEBREW IS THE MANUFACTURER OF THE BRICK AND HEBRON DOES MAKE THIN VENEER BRICK, BUT ALSO MOST MANUFACTURERS THAT MAKE THIN VENEER BRICKS, THEY ALSO MAKE A FULL MODULAR BRICK.
SO THE INTENT IS TO USE A FULL MODULAR BRICK FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM, DWELLING.
UM, WITH THE EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT A TUM NOT USING TUMBLED, UM, BRICK, THAT IS ALSO A CONSIDERATION THAT CAN BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
SO WHAT I WOULD REQUEST IS THAT THE OWNER, OF COURSE, DESIRES TO HAVE A, A DESIRE TO APPEARANCE OR HEEL IN COLOR TO THE BRICK.
SO AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP THAT HEEL IN COLOR, WE ARE OKAY WITH GOING WITH A FULL MODULE BRICK THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S IN THE SUBMISSION.
SO THEN, UM, AGAIN, MOVING AROUND THE FOUNDATION, THE CHEEK WALLS THAT ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, THE STAIR THAT COMES DOWN FROM THE PORCH TO THE, TO THE SIDEWALK,
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UM, WHAT IS THE CAP MATERIAL OF THAT CHEEK WALL? AND IN FACT, DO THOSE GET WRAPPED WITH, UH, WITH A MODULAR BRICK AS WELL? WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN THAT MATERIAL TURNS A CORNER, UM, YES SIR.IT'S ALSO TURNING A CORNER BACK INTO THE CONCRETE STEP TOO.
SO IT, IT'S A LOT SIMPLER IF THAT'S A MODULAR PIECE RATHER THAN A, UM, I MEAN A REAL BRICK SIZE RATHER THAN A FIN BRICK.
IT WOULD ALL BE A MODULAR BRICK.
SINCE, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BY THE ARCHITECT, WOULD COMMISSIONER ANDERSON LIKE TO REPEAT HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE FASCIA SO THAT THE ARCHITECT CAN, UM, SEE IF HE AGREES AND, AND ASK ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS HE MIGHT HAVE? OF COURSE.
UH, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S NO FASCIA BOARD, WHICH WOULD BE THE BOARD UNDERNEATH THE EAVES.
AND ALSO THERE'S NO BEAM EXPRESSION, WHICH WOULD BE A FASCIA BOARD THAT GOES AROUND THE PORCH THAT WOULD GIVE THE STRUCTURE MORE, UM, SUBSTANCE.
AND ALSO I MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE, THE BRICK WAS TUMBLED AND USUALLY THE BRICKS ARE SQUARE AND NOT ANTIQUE OR TUMBLED.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND A FULL NOMINAL SIZED BRICK THAT IS GOT SQUARE EDGES AND NOT TUMBLED.
AS THE STATE, WE TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO THOSE COMMENTS.
UH, TELL US ABOUT THE CHOICE OF THE, UH, ROOF SHINGLE, WHICH IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL, THE METAL SHINGLE WITH THE, THE GRANULAR, UM, ADDITION TO IT, I GUESS
TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REASONS WE'RE GOING WITH THAT, THAT ROOF SHINGLE DEI I'LL DEFER TO YOU FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
YEAH, SO WE, UM, THE, THE, AND THIS IS FUNNY THAT THE ONE BEFORE US WAS ABOUT ROOFING, SO NOW I'M LIKE VERY NERVOUS AND SWEATING OVER HERE.
SO, UH, WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE READ THROUGH IT SAID THAT IT NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, UH, ACCENTUATE THE HOUSE, GO WITH THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER.
UM, AND THAT COMPOSITE WAS LIKE A COMPOSITE, LIKE LOOKING NORMAL ROOF WOULD, WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
BUT I AM A VERY MUCH SO A PERSON WHO HAS HAD TO HAVE MY ROOF REPLACED A LOT OF DIFFERENT TIMES.
UM, THIS IS MY SECOND HOUSE AND WE THOUGHT METAL AND WE KNOW THAT METAL IS MORE, UM, DURABLE.
SO WE WANTED TO GO WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HEAT, IT'S BEEN VERY HOT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.
METAL WILL FRACK REFL FLEX THE HEAT OFF OF YOUR HOUSE A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND HELPS US WITH SOME OF THAT ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH A MORE, UH, UNIQUE STYLE, BUT WANTING TO MATCH IT WITH EVERYTHING AND GET THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND, AND EFFICIENCY IMPACT.
AND WHICH COLOR WERE YOU GOING WITH? WHICH BLEND COLOR WERE YOU GOING WITH? IT'S SOME TYPE OF GRAY AND YOU'LL HAVE TO PULL IT UP ON THE THING.
I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.
IS THAT, THAT'S A MORE OF A SOLID COLOR.
DOESN'T HAVE ANY VERY VARIATION TO IT.
CAN CAN WE PULL UP THE THING? I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER.
SO IT DOES HAVE A VARIATION IN IT.
EITHER ONE OF THOSE CO THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH, UH, HAVE A VARIATION THOUGH.
QUIZ WITH THE APPLICANTS TO SEE IF THEY REMEMBER THE NAMES OF THEIR COLOR THERE.
BLAME IT ON MY PREGNANCY BRAIN.
I CAN'T REMEMBER MOST WE'LL ASK YOU ABOUT PAINT COLORS, LIKE NO, WE WON'T.
MAYBE NOT A BU ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ALRIGHT THEN I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION THAT INCORPORATES EVERYTHING WE'VE SAID TODAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WAS, BUT GO AHEAD.
UH, WELL FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU GUYS.
SORRY COMMISSIONER GUYS FOR APPLYING.
I KNOW IT'S A, UH, LONG PROCESS TO GET THROUGH THIS BOARD SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT ISN'T TYPICAL.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE TASK RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE BEAM AND FACIA BOARD BE EXPRESSED, AS WELL AS CHANGING THE BRICK TO A FULL MODULAR BRICK INSTEAD OF A THIN SET BRICK SECOND.
AND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS HER HAND UP.
WHERE'S THERE WAS A SECOND, BUT WAS THERE NOT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CAP MATERIAL ON THE CHEEK WALL? THERE WAS, DO YOU WISH TO ADD THAT TO YOUR MOTION? MR. TAYLOR? AND ALSO THE PART ABOUT THE BRICK BEING NOT TUMBLED, BUT NICE
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AND, UM, POINTYAND HE SAID I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THOSE ADDITIONS.
I JUST WANT TO WRITE MY NOTES SO PHY DOESN'T GET MAD AT ME.
I DUNNO HOW TO SAY THOSE THINGS, BUT I WAS MAKING NOTES AND WELL, WE WANT A, A, A STRAIGHT NON TUMBLED CLEAN BRICK.
AND THEN THE CHEEK WALL CAP MATERIAL SHOULD BE BRICK.
IT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE CAST STONE.
THAT'S WHAT, OR CONCRETE STONE.
FOR CLARIFICATION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE CONDITIONS ARE IN A ADDITION TO THE STAFF'S CONDITIONS.
SO DO WE HAVE, WE, NOW ALL THE CONDITIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS MOTION AT THIS POINT, AND THE SECOND WAS MAY 2ND.
COMMISSIONER RENO IS THE OFFICIAL SECOND ON THIS.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.
READY FOR VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
YOU MAY CELEBRATE UNTIL YOU START THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND LEARN HOW SAD THAT CAN BE
YOU'LL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL FINISH IT.
ALRIGHT, COURTESY REVIEW ITEM THREE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 26 METROPOLITAN AVENUE IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS C 2 34 DASH OH ONE NINE RD, THE REQUEST.
THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT INTERIOR LOT STAFF FEEDBACK.
IS THAT THE COURTESY REVIEW, OR SINCE IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, NO ACTION IS REQUIRED AND THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR A LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, EXTEND REAR ROOF FOR A LARGER REAR REAR PORCH.
NUMBER TWO, ADD A WINDOW TO THE REAR BEDROOM.
NUMBER THREE, ADD BRACKETS TO FRONT PORCH GABLE WALL NUMBER FOUR, HAVE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS TOUCH THE GROUND.
AND OUR SPEAKER IS ALREADY UP THERE.
UH, BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
YOU'RE NOT ON AND SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE OR THE PEOPLE AT HOME.
UH, SO, UH, MY NAME IS KAVA
UM, I THOUGHT THIS LOT LIKE ABOUT BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
WE ARE TRYING TO, IT'S ALL OF THIS IS REALLY NEW TO ME AS, I GUESS I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I BOUGHT THE PROP, UH, THE, THE LAND IN.
I THINK YOU BETTER CHANGE THE MICROPHONE SO IT POINTS IT YOUR MOUTH.
AND I THINK YOU BETTER NOT TO PROMISE YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
SO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM OR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? UH, YES.
I'LL PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, AND, UH, LIKE I SAID ABOUT THE LAND, LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO, WE WERE TRYING TO PUT A NEW, UH, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN IT.
UM, AND WE, ALL OF THIS SUBMITTED THE PLANS TO DR.
DON AND WE HAD THE COURTESY REVIEW LAST WEEK.
UM, WE GOT ALL THESE NOTED AND, UH, I SENT THE REVISED PLANS TO DR.
DAWN AND I THINK WE CHANGED ALL OF THIS AND WE ADDRESSED ALL OF THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, WE HAVE ALL OF THE EXTENDED THE REAR ROOF, UH, TO COVER THE PORCH.
WE, I MEAN, THERE WAS A WINDOW ON THE SIDE.
THERE WAS NOT A WINDOW IN THE BACK OF THE, UH, MASTER BEDROOM, SO WE JUST MOVED IT TO THE BACK OF THE MASTER BEDROOM.
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AND, UH, WE ADDED, UM, ALL THE BRACKETS AND GABLES TO THE BOTH CORNER FRONTS AND, AND THE BACK AND ALSO THE CORNERS OF THE ROOF.UM, AND WE CHANGED THE PORCH COLUMNS TO, UH, GET SITTER THE WOOD, BUT THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING THE GROUND, BUT THEY'RE SITTING ON TOP OF THE PORCH, UM, AS DR.
UM, NOW WHAT QUESTIONS DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE? I, I HAVE A FEW ABOUT THE EVALUATIONS.
UM, WITH, REGARDING THE PROPORTIONS OF THE, OF THE, THE POSTS ON THE FRONT PORCH, UM, THE, THE TAPER IS A LITTLE TOO STRONG.
UH, IN OTHER WORDS, IT GOES FROM ONE FOOT TO SIX INCHES AND IT SHOULD, IT SHOULDN'T BE QUITE THAT DRASTIC.
I THINK IF THE TOP WERE MAYBE EIGHT TO 10 INCHES OR SO RATHER THAN THE SIX, IT JUST COMES TO TOO CLOSE OF A POINT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU MOVE TO THE CAPITAL, WHICH IS THE PART THAT'S RIGHT ON THE TOP OF THAT, THAT POST, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOW THE TOP OF THE TAPER AND THE, AND THE CAPITAL SHOULD ONLY BE LIKE AN INCH WIDER RATHER THAN THE WIDTH OF THE BASE.
SO THAT'LL, I THINK ALL OF THOSE COMBINATIONS WILL, WILL LOOK BETTER.
I WOULD PROBABLY ALSO BRING THAT, UM, THAT CEDAR TRIM, HOW YOU DROPPED IT A LITTLE BIT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE TOP OF THAT BASE, THAT BASE, THE PLIN, IT OUGHT TO BE LIKE RIGHT AT THE TOP, UM, INSTEAD OF DROPPING AS A COLLAR.
UM, AND THEN I WAS ALSO NOTICING THE, THE HEAD HEIGHT OF THE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH THE PORCH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE, THE ROOMS NEXT TO IT.
I NOT QUITE, THAT WAS A DRAWING MISTAKE, BUT, BUT THE HEADS OUGHT TO BE ALL THE SAME HEIGHT AND THEY'RE PROBABLY SEVEN FEET A DRAWING MISTAKE.
SEE HOW THEY'RE, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS.
THE ONE IN THE BATHROOM IS HIGHER THAN THE ONES ON UNDER THE PORCH.
THAT'D BE THE SAME AT THE TOP.
PROBABLY COULD BE DRAWING MISTAKE.
UM, THE WINDOW ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT ELEVATION IS TROUBLESOME.
I KNOW IT'S, YOU'RE IN THE BATHROOM AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SINKS RIGHT BELOW THEM.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REDESIGN OR MOVE THE LOCATION OF THAT SINK SO THAT YOU COULD EITHER HAVE A FULL, UM, A MORE OF A, A VERTICAL PROPORTION ON THAT WINDOW RATHER THAN HORIZONTAL.
UM, EVEN IF YOU ARE TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THE PRIVACY OF THAT BATHROOM, UH, WITH WINDOW COVERINGS, OR AT LEAST TO COVER THE BOTTOM SASH WITH THE WINDOW COVERING, YOU COULD STILL GET PRIVACY BUT HAVE A PROPORTION.
I THINK THAT LOOKS MORE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ONE LAST COMMENT IS THE, UM, UH, THE EXPOSED DRAFTERS ON THE PERIMETER.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE OVERHANG IS ONLY ABOUT A FOOT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK MORE APPROPRIATE OR LIKE A, A CRAFTSMAN STYLE IF THOSE ARE ABOUT TWO FEET INSTEAD OF ONE FOOT.
UM, ANY OTHER, THE, THE ROAD GREATER OVERHANG WILL ALSO PROTECT THE SIDING BETTER, SO, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN? IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE MASTER BATHROOM AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE VANITY, IT'S LIKE A DOUBLE VANITY AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE WINDOWS, IS THE INTENT TO HAVE A MIRROR AND THOSE WINDOWS ARE JUST BLOCKED OFF? I, I'M JUST NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE PLACE.
YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A DOUBLE WINDOW THERE, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE ELEVATION, IT'S A SINGLE WINDOW.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, IF THAT'S SORT OF A BLANKED OUT WINDOW OR WHAT THE INTENT IS THERE.
I GUESS THAT'S A, THAT'S A MISTAKE.
I, I, I GUESS MY POINT ON THE ELEVATION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE PREFERRED TO HAVE A DOUBLE GANGED WINDOW.
SO YOU'D HAVE TWO WINDOWS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE PLAN.
UM, AND MORE IN PROPORTION WITH THE OTHER ONE AS THEY'RE THERE IN THE SAME HEIGHT AS MR. RENO IS MENTIONING.
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IT PROBABLY IS A MISTAKE.I HAVE, I, I WISH I HAD MY ARCHITECT HERE, BUT, UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE.
UM, IT DOES APPEAR IN PLAN AS IF THEY'RE TWO, UM, THINNER WINDOWS NEXT TO EACH OTHER WHILE THE FRONT LOOKS DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY BEEN KIND OF SUGGESTING THAT THE, UM, THE WIDE WINDOW ON THE FRONT IS NOT RIGHT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SEE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE SAYS THAT SLIMMER UNDERSTOOD WINDOW OR TWO WINDOWS AND MAYBE MOVE THE BATHROOM TO DO THAT SOME, SOME WAY AND ABSOLUTELY.
OR, OR SOME NICE BLINDS WORK REALLY WELL
IN FACT, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUST ROTATE THE, THE SINKS THE SINKS 90 DEGREES AND GET IT TALLER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SUGGESTIONS? MR. SHERMAN? I HAVE SUGGESTION.
UM, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS, UM, ADVISE YOUR ARCHITECT TO JUST LISTEN TO THE RECORDING.
BECAUSE ALL OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED.
AND THEY'LL BE ON, ON ONLINE AND AVAILABLE TO YOU AND STAFF CAN SHOW YOU WHERE TO FIND THOSE.
WHO WAS THAT ONLINE? I HEARD, I HAVE A COMMENT.
UH, AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS MISSING.
THE BEAM EXPRESSION COULD BE THE HEAVY FASCIA BOARD BEAM BETWEEN THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPERTY AND THE TOP OF THE COLUMNS.
YOU COULD FEEL MORE APPROPRIATE.
SO NEEDED A BEAM EXPRESSION THERE.
AND I DO AGREE WITH THAT WINDOW, UH, BY THE BATHROOM.
YOU COULD MAKE IT A LONGER WINDOW AND MAYBE BLOCK OUT THE BOTTOM WITH A, A LURE OR BLINDS OR SOMETHING.
'CAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE MORE VERTICAL, NOT HORIZONTAL.
ANYBODY ELSE? MR. PRE? SO IT APPEARS THAT THE, UH, FOUNDATION LOOKS LIKE IT'S TO BE SLAB ON GRADE.
UM, I WOULD LOOK AT THE OTHER NEIGHBORING FOUNDATIONS AND SEE WHAT THOSE HEIGHT LEVELS ARE TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET CLOSER TO MATCHING THOSE.
EITHER RAISING THE SLAB ON GRADE OR DOING A PURE AND BEAM SO THAT YOU'LL BE MORE TYPICAL OF WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES ARE IN THAT, THAT BLOCK BASE.
I THINK AS FAR AS THE, THE UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE, UH, FOUNDATION, I THINK THE CRITERIA WAS SOMETHING BETWEEN 15 TO 18 INCHES.
AND WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS 15.
UM, BUT I GUESS YES, WE'LL TAKE REST OF THE HOUSES.
WOULD GOING TO 18 BE
IT, IT WOULD COST MORE MONEY FOR SURE.
SOMETIMES BEAUTY IS EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW.
UH, AND THE STAFF IS REITERATING THAT.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT A REALLY THICK SLAB, BUT A MORE LIKE APPEAR ON BEAM WHERE THERE'S A CRAWL SPACE UNDERNEATH IT TO GO TO WHERE CATS CAN LIVE.
SO WE'RE TALK TO YOUR A, YOUR ARCHITECT ABOUT THAT AND IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER CONCERNS, TALK TO STAFF ABOUT WHAT ALL WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY WORK BEST.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE? YOU EXHAUSTED EVERYTHING WE COULD THINK OF.
SO WE MUST LIKE THE REST OF IT.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO BUILD.
AND THIS IS DO DI DISTRICT AND UM, CONTINUE YOUR WORK, CONSULT WITH STAFF.
YOU CAN ALWAYS DO ANOTHER COURTESY REVIEW.
YOU CAN COME BACK AND MAKE YOUR ACTUAL APPLICATION WHEN YOU'RE READY.
WE'RE DOING COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR WITHOUT THE APPLICANT
THEY'RE HIS FRIENDS YOU SAY? YEAH.
WELL IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO'S HERE FOR ANOTHER CASE? WHAT CASE ARE YOU HERE FOR? OKAY.
'CAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE HERE FAVOR.
UM, A MOTION THAT WE REORDER THE AGENDA.
WHAT ITEM NUMBER IS THAT TO UH, HAVE D FOUR GO V FOUR PR FOUR D AND D FIVE SECOND.
THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER GAY.
SO WE WILL RULE NEXT HEAR THIS ONE.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 57 33 TREMONT STREET, UNION HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 3 9 2 CR UM, REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS
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TO BUILD A TWO CAR GARAGE.REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD AN ADDITION TO ADD A PARTIAL SECOND STORY TO THE ONE STORY MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD A TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 28 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SETBACK IS MOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK PER PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE REME RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 9.9 PERTAINING TO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION FOR NUM UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE TO BUILD AN ADDITION TO ADD A PARTIAL SECOND STORY TO ONE, TO THE ONE STORY MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 28 24 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE CONTEXTUAL RENDERINGS IS PROVIDED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE PARTIAL SECOND STORY ADDITION DOES NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF SIMILAR STRUCTURES ON THE BLOCK.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION EIGHT PERTAINS TO MAIN STRUCTURED NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD A TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED WITH A CONDITION THAT THERE IS A THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK PER SECTION 9.9.
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD AN ADDITION TO ADD A PARTIAL SECOND STORY AND ONE ON THE ONE STORY MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION DOES NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE OTHER MAIN STRUCTURE ON THE BLOCK.
FIRST SECTION 8.6 I, I'D LIKE TO ALSO NOTE THAT, UH, THERE ARE CONDITIONS FOR ITEM TWO, UH, FOR BOTH STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION HAVE BEEN MET.
UM, ARCHITECT DID SUBMIT, UM, THE CONTEXTUAL RENDERING DEMONSTRATING THE HEIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES.
ALL RIGHT, WE APPEAR TO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.
UM, WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? I GUESS THAT'S ME.
ALRIGHT, WE NEED YOU TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOUR AFFIRMATION OF TELLING THE TRUTH.
SO
GEORGE, TO STORES 57, 33 FREMONT, DALLAS, TEXAS.
OH, AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, SO, UH, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? WELL, THANK Y'ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME AND YOUR, YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.
WHAT WE JUST WANTED TO BRING UP IS THE FACT THAT WHEN WE HIRED FRED, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, MADE SURE THAT VERY GREAT IMPORTANCE WAS PUT ON FITTING WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WAS OUR MAIN GOAL.
AND SO WHEN WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT ALL THE OTHER STRUCTURES, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO 30 FOOT PLUS HOMES ON OUR BLOCK, PLUS SEVERAL THAT ARE OUR HEIGHT OR LARGER AND SEVERAL, UM, AIRPLANE BUNGALOWS WITHIN THE MEDIA AREA AS WELL.
UM, SO WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING THE SECOND FLOOR TO TRY TO SAVE SOME LOT IF YOU CAN, LOT SHRINKAGE IS WHAT I CALL IT.
BUT, SO WE'RE GOING VERTICAL OVER THE HOUSE, WHICH THE POCKETBOOK HATES, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT OUR, OUR LOT HAS REQUIRED.
UM, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE, UH, THE SECOND THIS TWO STORY BACK ADDITION FOR OUR FAMILY ROOM.
'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME ART DECO AND STUFF THAT WE'D LIKE TO EXPOSE ON LARGER WALLS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER PRIMARY BEDROOM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS COME TO VISIT FROM TIME TO TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY, NOT TOO OFTEN THOUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MOST OF MY FIVE THINGS.
AND THEN FRED WAS GONNA SPEAK AS WELL AND THEN KIM CAN SPEAK.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS FOR US? OH, YOU MADE IT.
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UM, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? IS MY MICROPHONE WORKING? NO, NO.YES, YOUR MICROPHONE IS NOW WORKING.
NOW THAT YOU'RE LEANING CLOSER AND I TURNED MINE ON SO YOU COULD HEAR WHAT I WAS SAYING.
SO IF YOU COULD DO THE NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU CAN HEAR ME BY NOW? YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
I LIVE AT FOUR 10 EAST FIFTH STREET, UH, IN DALLAS.
AND YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, THEN LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE, WHAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
OKAY, SO, SO IT'S UH, TWO, UM, APPLICATION WITH TWO ITEMS. UH, UH, TREY, UH, UH, COVERED.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE HOUSE, UH, THEY WANTED TO ADD A SECOND STORY, UH, BECAUSE IT IS A, A CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW.
MY THOUGHT WAS LET'S TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE AN AIRPLANE BUNGALOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S OUT THERE IN TERMS FOR, FOR CRAFTSMEN TO HAVE A PARTIAL SECOND STORY.
UH, SO IT'S SET BACK AND THAT WAY IT ALSO DOESN'T IMPOSE ON THE, ON THE, UH, STREET FACE.
UM, THE SECOND STORY IS SET BACK AND, AND, UH, YOU DON'T JUST CHANGE, UH, UM, I THINK LOOKING DOWN THE STREET YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN SEE THAT THE, THE ADDITION.
UM, NOW THE, THE OTHER ITEM THAT TREY DID NOT DISCUSS IS THE GARAGE AND THE SETBACK.
SO, UM, I DID LISTEN IN ON THE BRIEFING.
THE, THERE IS A, UH, WITHIN THE, OH, HE FROZE UP.
IT'S PROBABLY SPEAKING TO THE EXCEPTION.
WE'LL GIVE HIS INTERNET A MINUTE TO RECOVER.
UH, UM, AM I BACK? YOU ARE BACK NOW.
SO YOU MIGHT WANNA START WHERE YOU SAID YOU WERE ADDRESSING THE STUFF FROM THE BRIEFING THAT WE KIND LOST YOU FOR A WHILE.
UM, I'M, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
UM, OKAY, SO, SO, UM, FOR THE GARAGE SETBACK, WHAT I WAS, UH, MM-HMM
OF COURSE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, OVERLAY SUPERSEDES, UH, SO ONLY LANDMARK HAS THE ABILITY, UH, TO, TO MAKE USE OF THAT EXCEPTION.
I DID CONFIRM WITH THE CITY PERMITTING REVIEW PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW IT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE GENERAL CODE.
SO, SO IT'S JUST A, A LANDMARK ISSUE.
AND, AND THE REASON, UM, THE EXISTING GARAGE IS ACTUALLY OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT IS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE, BUT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINE'S AT AN ANGLE, UM, ONLY THE FRONT CORNER'S OVER THE LINE AND THE REAR CORNER IS NOT, UH, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS THE NEW GARAGE WOULD BE AT 18 INCHES.
UM, BECAUSE AT THE THREE FEET SETBACK WE WOULD HAVE A FENCE AND THEN A, A GARAGE THREE FEET OVER AND IT WOULD CREATE A LITTLE DEAD SPACE.
SO, UH, WITHIN THE, IF WE CAN DO THE 18 INCHES, UM, UH, TREY AND KIM, UH, WOULD JUST GIVE THE, THE OH THAT YARD TO THE NEIGHBOR.
NOW, UM, WE WERE GOING TO HEAR FROM YOU MA'AM, AND YOU HAVE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.
I AM, UM, KIMBERLY CASTS 5 7 3 3 TREMONT STREET, AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
SO YEAH, SO JUST IN CLOSING, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING MIGHT
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KIND OF SEEM LIKE A LOT, UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DID TAKE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION WITH FRED ON HOW THE SETUP WAS DONE.I KNOW THE DRAWINGS, THE SECOND STORY, I KNOW TASK FORCE WHEN WE WERE THERE, THEY, UM, WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW BIG IT LOOKED.
BUT THEN THE ARCHITECT ON THE TASK FORCE ALSO SAID HOW, SINCE IT'S A TWO PLAIN DRAWING, IT'S NOT QUITE THAT OBTRUSIVE LOOKING.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE DID KIND OF TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION LIKE OUR SETBACKS, LIKE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, WE DID SEVEN FEET INSTEAD OF THIS FIVE FEET KIND OF TRYING TO GIVE MORE SPACE WHERE WE COULD.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH OUR WINDOWS TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, THE REASON THE FIRST FLOOR ADDITION IS ALL OFFSET FROM THE EXISTING HOUSE IS TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND THE NEW PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH THE HISTORIC TASK FORCE DID WANNA MAKE SURE OF AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN LIKE FRED SPOKE TO THE, UM, GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO I THINK HE KIND OF COVERED THAT EXCEPTION THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
AND SO, YEAH, I THINK THAT IS ABOUT IT.
SO THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO EVERYBODY HANG ON FOR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER RENE, DO I HEAR YOU? UM, YEAH, SO REGARDING THE, UM, THE ROOF HEIGHT ON THE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, I REALIZED YOU, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A NINE FOOT CEILING ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT YOU ENDED UP TAKING ABOUT A FOOT OF THAT TO BE ABLE TO DROP IN YOUR HVAC.
UM, SO, SO BASICALLY YOUR CEILING IS EIGHT FOOT, UH, ON THE GROUND LEVEL.
UM, IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU KNOW THAT OR NOT.
ANYWAY, SO THAT WAS, SO YES, SO THAT'S THE FIRST, UM, THING BECAUSE THEN UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR YOU'VE GOT A NINE FOOT CEILING THERE.
AND TO ME THE BIGGER DIFFERENCE IS THE WAY THAT THE, THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW HEAD HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE ROOF, UM, ON THE SECOND FLOOR IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALMOST A FOOT.
LIKE THERE'S A FOOT AND MORE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HEAD OF THE WINDOW AND THE, AND THE, UM, BASICALLY THE, THE OVERHANG OF THE ROOF.
AND I THINK IF THOSE ARE MORE IN PROPORTION TO THE GROUND LEVEL LEVEL, IT'LL, IT'LL FEEL LESS LARGE.
UM, SO A QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER LOWERING THAT ROOF, KEEPING THE WINDOW HEIGHTS THE SAME, BUT LOWERING THE ROOF AFOOT? UM, TRYING TO THINK IF THERE WAS ANOTHER, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST ISSUE WAS HOW, HOW BIG THAT IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A FOREHEAD, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR WINDOW MM-HMM,
IT'S THAT, THAT GAP IN BETWEEN
I KNOW YOU'RE, WHAT, THAT'S PROBABLY A 14 FOOT HIGH CEILING OR SO IN THE, UM, IN THE DEN, UM, WITH THE FIREPLACE, THE ELEVATE.
AND I KNOW THAT'S IN THE VERY BACK OF THE HOUSE TOO, SO I HAVE LESS OF AN ISSUE WITH IT.
UM, THE PROPORTION FEELS A LITTLE ODD.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND AGAIN, IT'S IN THE BACK, SO I'LL, UM, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
UM, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
WHO ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS? DO Y'ALL WANT US TO ADDRESS THAT? YEAH.
I JUST, AND FRED I THINK CAN SPEAK PROBABLY.
UM, YEAH, SO, SO UH, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY KEEPING THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, AND WE'RE DOING, UH, AN 18 INCH THICK FLOOR SO THAT WE CAN RUN SOME DUCT WORK.
WE'RE DO USING TRUSSES TO RUN DUCT WORK THROUGH THAT FLOOR PLANUM AND, AND UH, THEN WE DO HAVE THE NINE FOOT HEIGHT.
UM, I HAD PUT THE WINDOWS UP AT A CLOSER TO THE ROOF AND, AND UH, I ALWAYS LIKE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, JUST KIND OF FROM A HIERARCHICAL STANDPOINT.
UH, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR I, I THINK IS ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE, THAN THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS.
UM, SO WHEN I DID THAT, THEY JUST SEEMED VERY BIG.
UH, SO, SO I SHRANK THEM DOWN.
BUT, BUT I DID SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AB ABOUT THE, THE, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE WINDOW HEAD AROUND THE ROOF EVE.
UM, UM, UM, YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, UH, IF, IF KIM AND TREY ARE, ARE AMENABLE TO, TO REDUCING THAT CEILING HEIGHT UP, THERE'S THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE, WE CAN DO.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE AMENABLE TO THAT TOO.
ALRIGHT, NOW ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, COMMISSIONER PEL
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JAMESUM, QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE GARAGE AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE WITH THE, UH, SETBACK LINES.
UM, I KNOW IF THIS IS A STAFF QUESTION QUESTION PROBABLY FIRST AND THEN FOR THE, THE APPLICANTS ON WHY THEY NEED TO DO ALL THAT.
SO IT, IT SAYS THE MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IS THREE FEET WITH A ONE AND A HALF OR 18 INCH ALLOWED ROOF OVERHANG ENCROACHMENT EXCEPT THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND TRACK C, WHICH THIS IS NOT MUST COMPLY WITH SIDE YARD SETBACKS REQUIRED BY PLANNING DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 99.
SO THAT'S JUST EXACTLY VERBATIM WHAT IT SAYS.
IT'S JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE, UM, WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE SETBACKS 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, NOT IN THE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA.
UM, SO YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GRANT AN EXCEPTION, BUT I WOULD ASK IN THE, IN THE MOTION THAT YOU GIVE A VERY SPECIFIC REASON WHY THIS IS A, UH, AN UNUSUAL ACCEPTION THAT WHY
SO THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANTS.
WHAT IS THAT UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT? YES.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE, IT'S ACTUALLY OUR PROPERTY KIND OF GOES AT A SLIGHT SLANT.
SO I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT WILL, IT'S CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WILL MATTER FOR THE THREE FOOT.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE BASICALLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, WITH THE, UM, GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, LIKE SHE SAID, IT IS REQUESTING IT TO BE THREE FEET AWAY.
AND OF COURSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE EXCEPTION FOR IT TO BE LIKE ONE FOOT AND EIGHT INCHES.
SO KIND OF NEEDING IN THE MIDDLE OF WHERE IT IS NOW AND WHAT THE THREE FOOT IS NORMALLY, UM, PER NEW STRUCTURES.
AND SO THE REASON WE'D LIKE TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE IS BECAUSE IT'LL STILL ALLOW FOR THE ROOF OVERHANG TO STILL BE ON OUR PROPERTY AND NOT GO ONTO THE, OH, UM, OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
ALSO, IT'LL KEEP THE CURRENT LOOK.
WE DON'T HAVE A FENCE OR ANYTHING ON THAT SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
SO BASICALLY WE COULD JUST SET IT IN A LITTLE BIT AND THEN IT KIND OF MAKES MORE US YARD FOR US AND OUR NEIGHBOR, UM, KIND OF HAVING THAT OPENED UP.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, IT'LL ALLOW MORE SPACE EVEN BETWEEN OUR DETACHED GARAGE AND THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE UNITS, HEIGHTS, UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DETACHED GARAGE.
SO EVEN ALLOWING IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER INTO THE PROPERTY LINE WILL ALLOW THAT MORE SPACE.
ONE ADDITIONAL THING IS IT ALLOWS US MORE ROOM TO GET INTO THE GARAGE AS WE APPROACH IT.
AND IF WE TO GET MORE ROOM, WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PUT THE FURTHER BACK JUST SO YOU CAN SEE.
AND I'M GONNA BE THE ONE PARKING ON THE RIGHT WHERE IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT, SO I'D APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.
SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT? FRED? THAT'S NOT A FENCE.
AND THERE WILL NO NO BE, THERE WON'T BE A BACK, WE'RE NOT PLAYING EITHER.
SO THE TOP IS WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE BOTTOM RENDITION IS WITH THE THREE FOOT SETBACK.
UH, ACTUALLY THAT, THAT'S JUST THE ROOF, UH, ON THE TOP UNLESS, SO IT INCLUDES THE OVERHANG.
SO SO THAT'S THE, THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE ROOF.
UH, SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PAGES.
ONE PAGE IS AT THREE FEET, ONE PAGE IS AT 18 INCHES.
BECAUSE THE, THE THREE FOOT IS THE ONE I SENT YOU.
THAT, THAT DIFFERS FROM WHAT'S IN THE PACKET.
THERE'S, IT'S AT THE VERY END.
HE SENT IT TO ME JUST LIKE RIGHT BEFORE WE SENT THE DOCKETS.
SO THAT ONE IS, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BLOW IT UP FOR YOU, BUT THAT'S THE REPLACEMENT SITE PLAN.
SO THIS ONE IS THE PROPOSED THAT THREE FEET, SO IT SEEMS A LITTLE FURTHER ON THE BACK BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE ANGLED SIDE PROPERTY.
AND THEN, UM, THE, THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT IS THE EXISTING, THAT LITTLE BLUE IS THE EXISTING GARAGE AND, AND THAT FRONT CORNER DOES, UH, SIT ON SLIGHTLY ACROSS ON THE, ON THE, OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE ROOF OVERHANG IS COMPLETELY OVER THE PROPERTY LINE CURRENTLY.
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RIGHT.SO ON THE FRED, ON THE TWO, OR RATHER ON THE PLAN THAT SHOWS, UH, ONE FOOT EIGHT IN THE FRONT, WHAT IS IT IN THE BACK? IT IT'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO THREE FEET, MAYBE TWO SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS ABOUT 10 10 OR 11 INCHES.
SO THE CONDITION GETS BETTER IN THE BACK.
AND I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT, SO, SO LAKE CLIFF WINNETKA, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, THEY ALL HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SAY THIS ORDINANCE SUPERSEDES, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING CODE UNLESS MENTIONED OTHERWISE.
AND I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO USE THIS EXCEPTION IN OTHER, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AS WELL AS HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
AND, AND I THINK PART OF IT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE FABRIC OF HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS OF OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE REALLY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN MOST INSTANCES.
UH, SO, SO I, I THOUGHT, UM, IT'S ALSO KIND OF IN KEEPING WITH A HISTORIC FABRIC.
YOU DO OBSERVE A LOT OF THEM RING RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
NORMALLY IF THEY WERE BUILDING A NEW THING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY DID IT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL WANNA ASK? OH, THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS HER LIGHT ON.
LET US HEAR FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS SMILING SO NICELY.
UH, THIS IS MARISSA HINES WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE SETBACK ISSUE.
WELL, NOT ISSUE, BUT WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.
SO IT IS CORRECT THAT THE PRESERVATION CODE HAS THAT SETBACK AND Y'ALL ARE ALLOWED TO GRANT AN EXCEPTION.
UM, WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS THE ACTUAL LIKE ZONING, UM, THE, THE CA THAT Y'ALL GRANT WOULD NOT WAIVE ANY ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE CODE.
I DON'T, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THE CA WOULD NOT WAIVE THAT.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY WOULD FIND THAT OUT WHEN THEY WENT TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT SO ARE, YOU CAN GRANT THE EXCEPTION FOR THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA SETBACK, BUT NOT NORMAL ZONING.
THAT WE, WE CAN ONLY GOVERN OUR PART AND WE, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY TELLS YOU AFTER YOU LEAVE HERE.
SO, AND I HAVE VERIFIED THAT THIS IS, UH, PER ZONING, UH, CODE UTILIZING THAT EXCEPTION.
SO NOW, NOW WE ALL UNDERSTAND.
WE, WE, WE WILL MAKE OUR JUDGMENT AND THEN YOU'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT WITH OTHER AUTHORITIES.
ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ARE YOU READY TO MAKE A MOTION? A MOTION? WELL, COMMISSIONER RENO IS WRITING.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT IT'S, I AGAIN.
WE'LL GIVE HIM A MOMENT TO WRITE AND THINK AND GET HIS WORDS IN ORDER.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'D LIKE TO INFORM APPLICANTS THAT THE DEMOLITION PORTION WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T, I HAD A LITTLE COMMENT SECOND.
WELL COMMENTS ARE FOR AFTER THE MOTION AND WE'RE ALMOST READY FOR THE MOTION.
WELL, THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR EVERYBODY.
MAKE IT A QUESTION, MR. ANDERSON, YOU CAN DO THAT.
WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN ADDING MORE CEILING HIGH TO YOUR ADDITION BY VAULTING CEILING? THAT WAY YOU CEILING HEIGHT, IT'D BE KIND OF LIKE A LOFT, LIKE VOLTED SPACE THING.
AND THAT PART'S KIND OF UP TO YOU.
WE DON'T GOVERN WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE INSIDE.
SO
THAT IS WHAT I WAS TURNING THROUGH AND IN MY HEAD AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT IS, UH, IF WE DO LOWER, WE CAN KEEP THE, THE RESTROOM CEILING, UH, LEVEL, UH, FLAT AND THEN VAULT THE BEDROOM.
SO THAT'LL, UH, GAIN THE, THE HEIGHT THAT WE LOST AND, AND BRINGING IT DOWN.
SO, SO I, I'M GONNA LOOK AT BRINGING IT DOWN ABOUT A FOOT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE VERY DRAMATIC.
WE'RE NOT VERY TALL, SO WE'LL BE FINE.
OKAY, WELL, DON'T GROW ANY TALLER
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YOU COULD, YOU COULD PUT A MEZZANINE.
UM, REGARDING, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 5 7 3 3 TREMONT STREET, UH, CA, 2 3 4 DASH 3 9 2 CM.
UM, UH, RECOMMEND THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF REC STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR THE MOTION IS TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM ONE, UH, THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD A TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS SPECIFICATIONS AND CONDITION.
HOWEVER, I WANNA REMOVE THE CONDITION.
I APOLOGIZE, UM, THAT, THAT, UM, AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN, UH, IT IS, IT IS APPROVED.
UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REQUEST OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD AN ADDITION, UH, TO ADD A PARTIAL SECOND STORY, THE ONE STORY MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 28 24, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE CONTEXTUAL RENDERING IS PROVIDED TO DEMONSTRATE THE PARTIAL SECOND STORY EDITION DOES NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE SIMILAR STRUCTURES ON THE, ON THE BLOCK.
UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDATION CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA WITH A CONDITION THAT THE PLATE HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR BE REDUCED TO EIGHT FEET INSTEAD OF NINE FEET.
MAY I ASK, DIDN'T WE NOT NEED TO HAVE THE CONDITION ABOUT PROVIDING THE CONTEXTUAL DRAWING BECAUSE CHRISTINA SAID THEY, IT WAS SATISFIED DID AND IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH? UM, THAT WOULD BE A TURNING QUESTION IF WE CAN REMOVE IT.
THAT WAS, YOU CAN PUT YOUR CONDITION THAT THE PLATE HEIGHT SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE REDUCED BY ONE FOOT AS THE CONDITION.
I, I WOULD THINK YEAH, BECAUSE THEY DID SATISFY THE CONDITION, ORIGINAL CONDITION.
MARISSA HEIN, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I THINK SINCE WE CLARIFIED THAT IT'S BEEN MET, UM, I DO WANNA CLARIFY IF WE'RE FOLLOWING SAS RECOMMENDATION AND YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING TO REMOVE THE CONDITION ON NUMBER ONE, SO I JUST NEED TO, UH, REWORD THAT SO THAT WE ARE NOT YEAH, I WOULD JUST BE APPROVAL.
UM, REGARDING, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT, UH, THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO, UH, BUILD A TWO STORY, TWO CAR GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS, UH, SPECIFICATION DATED 5 28 24, UM, THAT, UM, ALL CONDITIONS ARE, ARE MET FOR APPROVAL.
SECOND, AND OUR SECOND IS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO IMPLY YOU ALL NEED TO READ THE WHOLE STAFF RECOMMENDATION EVERY TIME.
I DIDN'T WANNA START THAT DOWN THAT ROAD.
JUST IF IT HELPS IT, IT'S RIGHT THERE
IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS I ASK, I CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO GO FORTH WITH YOUR PROJECT AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU.
HOPE WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING TICKET.
NOW WHAT WE DO, CR FOUR, COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR IS 4 0 7 NORTH WILLETTE AVENUE IN WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT C 2 34 DASH 0 22 MW.
THE REQUEST IS A COURTESY REVIEW FOR A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF FEEDBACK IS COURTESY REVIEW.
THAT A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION ON THE REAR, ON THE, I'M SORRY, A REAR ADDITION ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE BE CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK MISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY COURTESY REVIEW FOR A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A READER EDITION ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
WILL NEED MORE DETAILED PLANS FOR ACTUAL REVIEW.
ADD A PHOTO OF EXISTING BACK OF HOUSE SHOWING FULL BACK ONLY PARTIAL INCLUDED.
CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS FOR SMALL SIDE WINDOWS.
HE, HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT HE NEEDED TO BE HERE TODAY.
SO HE'S, HE'S NOT HERE AND HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE.
HE, HE KIND OF LISTENED IN FOR A LITTLE WHILE
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AND THEN HAD TO LEAVE.SO I JUST TOLD HIM I WOULD TAKE GOOD NOTES FOR HIM.
SO MARCUS, WE'LL PASS ON ANY HELPFUL SUGGESTIONS OR CONCERNS Y'ALL MAY HAVE.
WELL I KNOW THIS MORNING WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, BULKINESS OF WHAT'S PERCEIVED AS A COLUMN ON THAT FIRST STORY, UH, COVERED PORCH.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS MAYBE TO JUST MAKE IT ALL SIDING INSTEAD OF A, IT WOULDN'T READ AS A COLUMN, THEN IT WOULD JUST READ AS AN OPENING.
UM, SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, UM, TO ALLEVIATE THAT, UM, UH, SITUATION.
ALRIGHT, WHAT OTHER SUGGESTIONS DID WE HAVE ON THIS ONE? OH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAD THE LIGHT ON.
WOULD YOU SAY THOSE ONES ARE BEING, I'M SORRY, I MISSED IT.
SO TO ALLEVIATE IT LOOKING LIKE THE COLUMN, LIKE A COLUMN AND IT'S TOO BIG.
ACTUALLY JUST MAKING IT ALL THE WAY SIDING DOWN TO THE GROUND AND TAKE OUT THAT, THAT WOOD TRIM THERE JUST, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AN OPENING RATHER THAN A COLUMN SUPPORTING THIS MASS.
SO IT'S BASICALLY, THEN IT'S AN OPENING SUPPORTING THE MASS INSTEAD OF THIS WEIRD BIG LOOKING COLUMN.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP, MR. ANDERSON? YOU'RE VERY TINY.
THAT MUST BE SOMETHING IN THE ROOM.
WHAT, WHAT SUGGESTIONS DO WE HAVE FOR THESE APPLICANTS.
MARCUS IS WRITING EVERYTHING DOWN.
UM, IS THERE A REASON THAT THOSE FOUR WINDOWS ARE, ARE SMALL? IS THERE A, A BED THERE OR SOMETHING? I MEAN, IT, THERE SEEMS LIKE IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A SUN PORCH, KIND SUN PORCH WITH LITTLE WINDOWS ON ONE SIDE.
THEY'RE THE SAME THAT THE EXISTING, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE SCREEN, THOSE ARE EXISTING FOUR ON THE LEFT.
SO JUST
OH, AND THE VIEW WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT.
YEAH, THAT, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE SITTING ROOM AND THEY BE ABLE TO PUT JOBS UNDERNEATH
WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AT TASK FORWARD.
THEY WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS BATTED AROUND, LIKE, COULD YOU DO MAYBE TWO LONGER WINDOWS, THE BOOKCASE IN THE MIDDLE OR SOMETHING ELSE.
WHAT IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT? I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
COMMISSIONER REEVES, I HAVE A QUESTION WITH THE, THE COLUMNS.
I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, NOT THAT PICTURE, BUT THE ONE STRAIGHT ONTO THE BACK DOOR FROM THE BACK WITH THE PICTURE OF THE TREE IN IT.
THE ACTUAL PHOTO? NO, NO, NO, NO.
YOU WERE GOING THE RIGHT WAY BEFORE
I THINK IF THAT WAS ALL SIDING, IT'S GONNA NEED A WINDOW OR SOMETHING.
FOR DEFINITION IN THE BACK, THE YES, I WAS RECOMMENDING, RECOMMENDING THAT IT WOULD BE SIDING.
THE OPENING WOULD STILL BE THERE, BUT THE WHITE WOULD JUST BE SID.
BETWEEN THE DOOR AND THE OPENING IS JUST GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT OF SIDING.
SHE MEANS THIS AREA RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE CHANGING THAT PORTION.
NO, BUT, BUT THE, THE, THE COLUMN MAKES IT
BUNCH OF SIDING THAT IT PROJECTS FORWARD.
SO IT WOULD LIKELY HAVE CASING ON THE CORNER.
SO YOU'LL HAVE A VERTICAL WHITE LINE, UH, COMING DOWN TO BREAK THOSE.
NOT ONLY DOES THE PLANE BREAK, BUT THERE'LL BE A VERTICAL LINE THERE TOO THAT ACCENTUATED WITH A, UM, THE CORNER.
REAL QUICK, CAN I INTERJECT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IN, UM, TASK FORCE.
IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE EXISTING SET OF FOUR WINDOWS VERSUS THE NEW SET OF FOUR WINDOWS, HE HAD NOT REALIZED THAT
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HE HAD BASICALLY RENDERED IT AND, AND THERE MAY BE A BETTER, UH, THAT HE HAD NOT PUT AS MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE, AS MUCH MOLD SPACE BETWEEN THE WINDOWS.AND SO WE CO WE POINTED THAT OUT.
SO THEN HIS NEXT THOUGHT WAS, WELL THEN ONCE I ADD ALL THAT SPACE BACK IN, THEN THE ENTIRE GANG OF FOUR WINDOWS WIDENS AND THEN THE COLUMNS, IF THEY, IF THEY ARE LINED UP WITH THAT AUTOMATICALLY BECOME A LITTLE SMALLER.
SO IS THAT SOUND GOOD TO US, ANYBODY OR BAD? I MEAN, THEY COULD BE SMALLER OR THAT OPENING COULD THAT OPENING COULD RERE REDUCE IF THEY WANTED TO AS WELL? JUST TO HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE THIS BIG MASS SUPPORTED BY THESE LITTLE VERTICAL COLUMNS TO ME LOOKS KIND OF FUNNY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE WIDE ENOUGH SUPPORTS TO SUPPORT IT, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S AN OPTION.
THEY CAN DRAW IT UP AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MS. SANYIA? OKAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT BE DONE SENDING COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW HOW TO HELP WORK WITH THEM, HELP THEM ACHIEVE SOMETHING AND WE'LL LOOK, SEE THEM COME BACK.
AFTER THAT, WE ARE UP TO D EIGHT.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 2 1 2 SOUTH CLIFF STREET AND THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 3 86 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT CORNER, LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 27 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT FOUNDATION TYPE VIA CRAWL SPACE FOUNDATION, THAT WATER RESISTANT SKIRTING WITH A PROFILE TO MATCH EXTERIOR LAP SIDING BE INSTALLED AND EXTENDED TO GRADE A GROUND LEVEL ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
CONCEALING CONCRETE FOUNDATION THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS VIA BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE, THAT EXTERIOR WINDOW TRIM HEADERS, SIDES, AND APRONS AND MILLIONS BE SOLID WOOD WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF FOUR INCHES.
AND THAT EXTERIOR WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD FRAMED, NOT CLAD WITH LIGHT CONFIGURATION OF ONE OVER ONE.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER LOT BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
UH, THERE IS NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE.
UM, SINCE THE, THE APPLICANT ISN'T HERE, DID YOU, UM, DR. DUNN ADDRESS YOUR, UM, YOUR FOUNDATION TYPE PREFERENCE AS LISTED AS A CONDITION HERE? AND WHAT WAS THEIR RESPONSE? UM, AS COMMISSIONER RENO HAS SAID, THEY HAVE ALREADY MADE THAT CHANGE.
SO WE DON'T, WE JUST CROSSED THAT OUT IF WE WERE TO GO HERE.
UH, FOR CASE D EIGHT, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE FASTEST SECONDER WAS COMMISSIONER PREZI.
YEAH, HE WAS THE MOST ENTHUSIASTIC SECONDER WAS COMMISSIONER PREZI.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OTHER THAN WE'RE THRILLED.
SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE THERE.
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BE NICE.UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
STAFF PLEASE GIVE THEM THE GOOD NEWS.
THAT LEAVES US WITH D FIVE, WHICH HAS BEEN, I NEED TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
YOU READ IT IN SO THEY CAN WITHDRAW IT.
SO, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS 25 15 THOMAS AVENUE IN STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH 3 75 MW.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL GRASS OR GROUND COVER IN THE FRONT YARD.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL GRASS GROUND COVER IN THE FRONT YARD? BE DENIED WITH THE FINDING THAT ARTIFICIAL PLANT MATERIAL IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC LANDSCAPING IN THE DISTRICT, BUT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT AND IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 2, 25 0.1, 21 J THREE A AND M1 CITY CODE SECTION 4.501 G SIX ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THIS, THIS AFTER THE, THE AGENDA WAS ALREADY POSTED.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THE APPLICATION.
SO WHAT I DO NEED THOUGH, YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN ACTION ON IT.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD STILL BE TO GO AHEAD AND EYE WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK LATER OR WHATEVER.
YOU RECOMMEND YOUR RECOMMENDATION? I RECOMMEND MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
WHERE DID I HAVE THE, I HAVE IT AS DENIED.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
NOT DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A KIND OF AN ONGOING KEEP COMING BACK AND COMING BACK WITH THE SAME, UM, REQUEST.
SO I, I THINK WE JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY NO.
ARTIFICIAL BREAST IS NO SO DENY WITH PREJUDICE, DENY DENIED.
IT'S DENIED NOT WITHOUT PREJUDICE, I MEAN WITH PREJUDICE.
WITH PREJUDICE, WITH PREJUDICE.
PREJUDICE, I HATE TO SAY WITH WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY WITH DENY STANDING ALONE IMPLIES THAT.
SO WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN IS ANXIOUS TO MAKE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF D 5 25 15 THOMAS AVENUE IN THE STATE, THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH 3 75 MW.
I MOVE TO DENY FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS READ INTO THE RECORD, CITING THE REASONS AND PRESERVATION CRITERIA, THE CITY CODE AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA SPECIFICALLY STATES NO ARTIFICIAL PLANT MATERIALS MAY BE USED TO SATISFY LAND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
THEREFORE, ARTIFICIAL TURF, TURF AND OR GROUND COVER WOULD MEET THIS CRITERIA.
OH, AND SECONDLY THAT THE CRITERIA STATES THAT ANY PLANT THAT DIES MUST BE REPLACED WITH QUOTE, ANOTHER LIVING PLANT UNQUOTE.
THEREFORE, AGAIN, ARTIFICIAL MATERIALS WOULD NOT COMPLY.
IS THAT COMMISSIONER REEVES WHO BEAT EVERYBODY ELSE TO SECOND THIS? OKAY, SO SHE'S THE SECOND.
DO WE NEED ANY DISCUSSION OR CAN WE VOTE ON THIS? MANY PEOPLE CAN BE READY.
THIS CAME UP, UM, ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO AND I VOTED IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING THIS AND A COUPLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS POINTED OUT SOME ISSUES AFTERWARDS.
THIS STUFF IS REALLY BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND I CERTAINLY INTEND TO, UH, SUPPORT ANYTHING TO KEEP THIS STUFF OUT OF OUR YARDS.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DID YOU ALSO HAVE A COMMENT? NO, I'M FINE.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THIS MEASURE HAS CARRIED, WHICH MEANS IT'S A DENIAL.
STAFF WILL APPROVE ISSUE PROPER INSTRUCTIONS TO THE APPLICANT WHO WITHDREW IT ANYWAY.
AND, UH, WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT? YEAH, RES WAS THE ONE WHO WON THE APPARENT CONTEST TO BE THE FIRST.
WE HAVE TO VOTE ON ONE MORE THING IF NO ONE HAS ANY TROUBLE WITH THE MINUTES THAT YOU WERE DELIVERED.
DO YOU WISH TO, ARE YOU READY TO VOTE ON THEM? SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE THE MOTION, A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
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THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER REEVES.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR TODAY, AND IF EVERYBODY WOULD GIVE ME MOTION SHEETS, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
GET YOUR MOTION SHEETS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SEE YOU ALL NEXT WEEK, NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH, NOT NEXT WEEK.
I MIGHT SEE YOU SOCIALLY NEXT WEEK CHAIR, BUT I'LL NOT SEE YOU HERE NEXT WEEK.
SHALL I JUST EMAIL IT TO ELAINE? YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE NOT HERE, THE, IT'S AN EMAIL FORM TOO.
I'M JUST COLLECTING 'EM IF YOU HAVE 'EM HERE.
IF YOU'RE HERE, IT'S BUSY FINDING A PEN, SO I LIKE THAT WAS PRETTY.