Jul 11, 2024 City Planning Commission

DISTRICT ONE.

DISTRICT ONE PEACE'S HERE.

DISTRICT TWO, PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE HERE.

DISTRICT FOUR, PRESENT.

YOU MAY JOIN US LATER.

DISTRICT 10, PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15.

I'M HERE.

YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 11TH, 2024, 9:14 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAIN COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS.

AS ALWAYS, THIS IS A TIME ONLY FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION TO STAFF.

UH, WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR, OUR OPINIONS AND COMMENTARY FOR THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, JUST A ONE QUICK ITEM.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE AGENDA, UH, I DID RECEIVE LOTS OF EMAILS, UH, THIS PAST WEEK ABOUT THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA AND, UH, SOME CONCERN ABOUT CHANGES.

AND, AND SO FOR THE RECORD, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE HERE AND LISTENING, THE AGENDA HAS NOT CHANGED.

IT IS THE EXACT SAME AGENDA THAT WAS PUBLISHED.

UH, WE HAVE NOT CHANGED IT OR, OR QUOTE MANIPULATED IT IN ANY WAY.

AND IF ANYONE OUT THERE IS RECEIVING AN EMAIL STATING THAT THIS AGENDA HAS BEEN CHANGED AND THAT THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE HAS BEEN MOVING AROUND, KNOW THAT WHOEVER SENT YOU THAT IS SENDING YOU MISINFORMATION, UH, IT HAS NOT.

UH, WHAT I HAVE DONE THOUGH IS, UH, WE, I DID RECEIVE LOTS OF FOLKS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS SENDING ME EMAILS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE ITEM IS GONNA STAY AT THE END OF THE HEARING, WHICH I HAVE COMMITTED TO KEEPING IT AT THE END OF THE HEARING.

AND ALSO TO ALLOW MORE FOLKS TO, UH, TIME TO, TO COME TO CITY HALL.

WE WILL NOT TAKE UP THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE UNTIL AFTER 3:00 PM UH, AND I SEE COMMISSIONER HAWK IS HERE, SO SHE IS ON FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD, GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

AND WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH MS. LOU.

GOOD MORNING, .

ROBUST INVESTMENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT WE ALL CALL HOME.

MY NAME'S EMILY LIU.

I'M SO HONORED AND EXCITED TO STAND BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING AS A DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

AS YOU MAY KNOW, THIS IS A BRAND NEW DEPARTMENT.

IT WAS A FORM TWO WEEKS AGO.

EXACTLY.

UM, SO THIS NEW DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY COMBINES, UM, THE TWO PREVIOUS DEPARTMENT THAT YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH.

THOSE ARE PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN DEPARTMENT AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

SO AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO, THOSE TWO, TWO DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN MERGED INTO ONE.

NOW IT IS CALLED PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION HERE.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE TWO, UH, DEPARTMENT BEING COMBINED, UH, INTO ONE.

AND, UH, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT.

UH, BASICALLY, UM, SO OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER, KIM VID, SHE CONTINUED TO HAVE HER COMMITMENT TO REIMAGINE AND REALIGN THE SERVICE DELIVERY FOR THE RESIDENTS TO BUILD ON A SAFE, VIBRANT, AND GROWING DALLAS.

SO THIS FUNCTIONAL REIMAGINING AND REALIGNMENT FOR RESULT REALLY SUPPORT HER TRANSFORMATIONAL APPROACH TO ENHANCE SERVICE FIRST, SERVICE FIRST WITH URGENCY OF NOW.

SO THE GOAL OF THIS NEW DEPARTMENT IS TO ACHIEVE POSITIVE OUTCOMES THAT BUILD TRUST WITH THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND ALSO ENCOURAGE

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THIS NEW DEPARTMENT INCLUDES ALL THE LAND USE RELATED AND PERMIT RELATED FUNCTIONS.

SO WE PUT ALL OF THEM IN THIS BIG UMBRELLA OF DE DEPARTMENT.

UM, THIS DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY INCLUDE FOUR DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.

I HAVE TWO OF THE FUNCTION DEPUTY DIRECTOR HERE, RIGHT HERE TODAY.

ONE IS PLANNING, WHICH IS HEADED BY DEPUTY DIRECTOR ANDREA GILLIS.

SHE'S HERE TODAY.

UM, THE SECOND ONE IS THE ZONING FUNCTION.

THE ZONING WAS DIVIDED ACTUALLY INTO TWO DEPARTMENT BEFORE IT WAS DIVIDED.

SO THE TAX AMENDMENT AND MAP AMENDMENT WAS HERE HOUSED IN THE PREVIOUS PLANNING URBAN DESIGN DEPARTMENT.

THE INTERPRETATION CONSULTATION, AND ALL OF THAT IS HOUSED IN THIS OTHER DEPARTMENT.

SO SOMETIME THERE'S A CONFLICT.

THERE'S, UH, INCONSISTENCIES ABOUT ONE INTERPRETATION, THE OTHER INTERPRETATION.

SO NOW WE COMBINE 'EM INTO ONE DEPARTMENT, OR ALL THE ZONING FUNCTIONS CAN BE HOUSED IN ONE AREA, WHICH IS HEADED BY DEPUTY DIRECTOR ANDREA RIA, WHO IS ALSO HERE.

WELCOME BACK, .

SHE JUST CAME BACK FROM A LONG VACATION.

UM, AND SO THAT WILL REALLY HELP US STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, HAVE ONE VOICE ABOUT ANY ZONING RELATED ISSUES.

UH, THE THIRD FUNCTION AREA IS PERMITTING.

THAT'S INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND INSPECTION.

ALL OF THAT FUNCTION IS UNDER, UH, ONE UMBRELLA, WHICH IS HEADED BY INTERIM DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND ALSO CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL SAM .

AND THE FOURTH ONE, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE THIS, IS HAVE CUSTOMER FOCUS.

THIS INCLUDING INTERNAL CUSTOMER SERVICE AND EXTERNAL CUSTOMER SERVICE, INTERNAL INCLUDING BUDGET.

UH, IT, UH, INCLUDING HR RELATED FUNCTIONS, UM, GIS, ALL THOSE INTERNAL SERVICE.

WE ALSO HAVE EXTERNAL SERVICE, UH, FUNCTION, WHICH INCLUDING MOSTLY CUSTOMER SERVICE TRAINING RELATED.

SO THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT AREA UNDER THAT CORE FUNCTION.

UM, I HAVE TO SAY DURING THE LAST TWO WEEKS, MY BIGGEST PRIORITY IS ACTUALLY MEETING WITH STAFF.

MAKE SURE THEY ARE OKAY, BECAUSE TRANSITION IS HARD.

SOMETIME CHANGES IS NOT EASY.

SO I SPEND A LOT OF TIME MEETING WITH STAFF, ESPECIALLY AT THE MONT LOCATION.

UM, I'VE HOSTED MEET AND GREET, UH, SEVERAL TIMES.

HOSTED, UH, IN KIND OF VIRTUAL MEETING OF VERY WELL ATTENDED, UH, THE MEETING GREET IN PERSON.

WE HAVE LIKE 140 PEOPLE SHOWED UP.

AND THE VIRTUAL, WE HAVE 160 PEOPLE, UH, AT, UH, PARTICIPATE IN.

SO IT'S A GREAT TURNOUT.

I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THAT.

AND I WILL MAKE THAT CONTINUE A, A PRIORITY FOR ME, UH, DURING THE NEXT 30 DAYS, MAYBE 60 DAYS, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES.

SO I WILL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH NOT ONLY AS A GROUP, I ALSO MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR STAFF TO MEET WITH ME.

ONE-ON-ONE.

SO ANYONE WHO WANT MEET WITH ME CAN SCHEDULE MEETING WITH ME.

ONE-ON-ONE 30 MINUTES, SOMETIME AN HOUR.

UH, I'M ALSO PLANNING TO HOSTING SOME WITH SOME HELP FOR MY DEPUTY DIRECTORS, SOME LISTENING SESSIONS FOR OUR STAFF.

WE ARE PLANNERS.

WE KNOW HOW TO ENGAGE, RIGHT? UH, HOSTING SOME LISTENING SESSION TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEIR IDEA.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD IDEA, ALREADY EXPERIENCED THAT JUST DURING THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS.

ALSO, WE CAN SCHEDULE LIKE RIDE ALONG, UH, WITH SOME FIELD INSPECTORS TO EXPERIENCE WHAT KINDA WORK THEY'RE DOING AND JUST TRYING TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME SUPPORT.

AND ALSO, WE HAVE SOME FIELD OFFICE.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THREE.

WE USED TO HAVE FOUR.

SO I'M PLANNING TO GO TO THE FIELD OFFICES TO MEET WITH PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE.

THESE ARE THE BUILDING INSPECTORS, PLUMBING INSPECTORS, ELECTRIC, UH, INSPECTORS.

UM, THEY WORK VERY HARD DURING THE SUMMER, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES VERY HARD IN DALLAS, RIGHT? SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I GO TO THEIR, UM, UH, PLACE TO MEET WITH THEM WHERE THEY ARE.

THEY'RE VERY BUSY.

THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO ANY OF THE OFFICE TO MEET WITH ME.

SO I MAKE SURE, UH, I'M AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH THEM, UH, WHERE THEY ARE.

UH, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE SHORT, UH, SUMMARY OF WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.

PRETTY MUCH, UH, NOT LONG TERM YET.

SO,

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UH, AS PART OF THIS REORGANIZATION, THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PIECES THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON.

ONE OF THEM IS TO DEVELOP A FINAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE SOME BIG FUNCTIONS, FOUR DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS I MENTIONED EARLY, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DETAILS THAT I NEED TO WORK WITH THE DEPUTY DIRECTORS, EVEN SOME LINE STAFF TO, UM, TO DETERMINE WHICH EXACTLY, UM, THE ORGANIZATION CHART IT GONNA LOOK LIKE.

AND I TELL YOU, WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, I NOTICED THAT SO MANY WEAKENED IONS, OUR DEPARTMENT CANNOT FUNCTION WITH SUCH A HIGH ANCY RATE.

SO I ALSO NEED TO MAKE THAT PRIORITY TO FILL THOSE IONS.

AND SOME OF THE ION NEED TO BE REEVALUATED.

FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IN THE OLD, UH, URBAN PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN DEPARTMENT, THERE WERE A LOT OF SENIOR PLANNER PROJECTION.

WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE, THERE WERE NINE OF THEM JUST WEEKEND.

AND WE POST THEM, POST 'EM AGAIN, POST 'EM AGAIN AND AGAIN, VERY LITTLE APPLICANTS.

SO WE REEVALUATE THAT.

UH, WE DETERMINE TO RECLASSIFY THEM TO ENTRY LEVEL POSITION.

THOSE KIDS JUST GRADUATED FROM GRADUATE SCHOOL.

THEY'RE WILLING TO MOVE DALLAS, INCLUDING MY OWN KID, UH, DECIDE TO MOVE TO DALLAS AFTER GRADUATION.

UM, THAT'S A VERY EASY TIME TO ATTRACT PEOPLE WHEN THEY JUST GRADUATE FROM GRADUATE SCHOOL OR COLLEGE.

SO WE DECIDE TO RECLASSIFY A LOT OF VACANT POSITION CURRENTLY AS SENIOR PLANNER, POSITION TWO, PLANNER ONES AND PLANNER TWO.

SO WE HAVE A BIGGER BASE, AND THEN, UH, WE JUST NEED TO HELP THEM TRAIN THEM AND GROW THEM INTO SENIOR PLANNER.

AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, THEY, SO THEY HAVE A CAREER PATHS.

UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO TO GROW OUR OWN PROFESSIONAL STAFF TO, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO DO RIGHT AWAY.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME VACANT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR POSITIONS AS A RESULT OF THIS REORGANIZATION.

WE HAVE FOUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR PROTECTION.

WE ALSO HAVE SEVEN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR PROTECTION.

ONE OF THEM IS READY FILLED, THE OTHER SIX AS DO WEEKEND.

SO WE NEED TO POST THEM BY JULY 31ST.

WE'RE GOING TO DO A NATIONAL SEARCH SO WE CAN GET, SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK RIGHT THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY LIKE TO ENGAGE THE LEADERSHIP, BUT ALSO SOME ARE EMPLOYEES SO THEY CAN BE PART OF THIS PROCESS.

UH, BRANDING AND UPDATING OUR SOCIAL MEDIA WEBSITE, I TELL YOU, WE'RE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

PEOPLE ARE VERY CREATIVE AND THEY KNOW HOW TO DO ENGAGEMENT.

SO I ALREADY HAVE SOME STAFF JUST ON THEIR OWN, CREATED A COMMITTEE OF BRANDING AND CREATING LOGOS, SO I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS RIGHT THERE.

SO THERE ARE ALREADY A COMMITTEE GOING ON, UH, TRYING TO DO THIS WORK, UH, ON THEMSELF.

AND I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL RESULTS ARE.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ONCE THEY COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

AND ALSO, OF COURSE, WE NEED TO ENGAGE WITH OUR STAKEHOLDER TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE INFORMED OF THIS CHANGES IN THIS ONE OF THE MEETING, UM, I'M HAVING JUST LET YOU KNOW, YOU ARE THE BIGGEST STAKEHOLDER.

YOU ARE.

THE COMMISSIONERS WORK CLOSELY WITH US.

I THINK YOU ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THE CHANGE.

I'LL MAKE SURE.

UH, I'M HERE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU DIRECTLY, UH, IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

UM, BEYOND THAT, I HAVE SOME LONGER TERM GOALS, UH, AND PRIORITIES.

I DID NOT PUT IN A SLIDE, BUT THE TOP THREE I'M THINKING IS, NUMBER ONE, IS STREAMLINE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.

SO KIND OF NUMBER ONE PRIORITY JUST BY COMBINING THOSE TWO DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY IS GOOD FOR STAFF.

UH, THIS IS, UH, COULD TAKE A LONG TIME.

UH, I RECENTLY TALKED TO THE, UH, PLANNING DIRECTOR AT CITY OF MEMPHIS.

THEY HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB.

UH, THEY REDUCED THEIR COMMERCIAL REVIEW FROM SIX MONTHS TO 14 DAYS.

BUT HE DID WARN ME THAT IT COULD BE CHAOTIC AT FIRST AND YOU COULD SEE A LITTLE BIT TURNOVER, STAFF TURNOVER, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE THE CHANGE.

IT TOOK THEM A GOOD FIVE YEAR TO GET WHERE THEY ARE TODAY.

THEY ARE IN A VERY GOOD PLACE.

I HOPE IT WON'T TAKE US THAT LONG.

UH, BUT, UM, OTHER CITY HAVE DONE THE SAME THING, UH, LA HAVE TOTALLY STREAMLINED THEIR PROCESS.

YOU TAKE YEARS FOR THEM TO DO JUST LIKE A REZONING.

NOW IT TAKE TWO MONTHS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD EXAMPLES OUT THERE.

A LOT OF CITY ARE LOOKING AT STREAMLINE

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THEIR PROCESS BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE, RIGHT? WE WANT MAKE DALLAS AN EASY AND A GREAT PLACE TO INVEST IN.

SO WE GOTTA LOOK AT OURSELF, NOT ONLY COMPARED TO OTHER BIG CITIES.

I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE RIGHT, WHAT ANYTHING WE CAN LEARN FROM THEM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME INVESTMENT THAT WILL LOSING TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

ALL OF THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

SOME BEST PRACTICE, BIG CITY, SMALL CITY AROUND US.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT.

THE SECOND ONE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT, IS WE WOULD LIKE TO USE INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY, UM, TO IMPROVE EFFICIENCIES, TO INCREASE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY, AND ALSO TO IMPROVE CUSTOMER SERVICE.

SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE DALLAS WORKING HERE, UH, NOT EVEN TWO MONTHS AGO.

AND WE ARE A LITTLE BACKWARDS.

WE STILL USE A LOT OF PAPER.

LIKE I SEE ROWS OF PAPER BEING SUBMITTED TO OUR OFFICE.

WHERE DID THEY GO? THEY USUALLY TEND TO BE IN ONE OF THE OFFICES.

NOBODY KNOWS.

CAN SEE THAT.

IN MY PREVIOUS JOB IN LOUISVILLE, WE USE, EVERYTHING IS DIGITAL.

WE USE A PROCESS, UH, CALLED SALA, WHICH WE ARE GETTING NEXT YEAR.

UM, EVERYTHING IS SUBMITTED ONLINE.

IT'S VERY QUICK.

THE MOMENT THEY SUBMIT ONLINE, THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE IT.

AND A LOT OF TIME , I I WAS A DIRECTOR.

I MAY NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A NEW APPLICATION.

THE MEDIA ALREADY GOT IT AND I HAVE ARTICLE ABOUT IT.

SO, BUT IT'S VERY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, PROBABLY CLOSER TO A YEAR TO DIGITIZE EVERYTHING, TO HAVE THE PLATFORM USING THE SAME PROGRAM, ACELA, UM, UM, ON BOARD AND STARTING TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATIONS ONLINE, UH, REVIEW THEM ONLINE, GET COMMENT OUT ONLINE.

SO THERE'S STILL A LOT WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO THERE.

AND THE THIRD PRIORITY I HAVE IS REALLY TRYING TO FOSTER A CULTURE OF TEAMWORK, COLLABORATION, AND PROBLEM SOLVING.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I RECENTLY TALKED TO MY GOOD FRIEND IN NEW YORK, SHE'S THE PLANNING DIRECTOR THERE.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT OR NOT.

NEW YORK RECENTLY HAVE A KIND OF SLOGAN SAYING, THE CITY OF YES, MY GOOD FRIEND, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR THERE, EVEN WEAR A JACKET, HAVE THE WORD IN THE BACK SAYS THE SAFETY OF YES.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO, UH, TO IMPROVE AND TO MAKE DALLAS AN EASY AND A GREAT CITY TO INVEST IN.

AND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK FOR ME TO DO.

THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK FOR MY TEAM TO DO.

SO WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK SOMETIME, MAYBE QUARTERLY, MAYBE OCTOBER.

I HAVE LIVED MORE THING TO REPORT TO YOU, IF YOU HAVE A THOUGHT FOR ME, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO KEEP YOU INFORMED WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE FOR THIS NEW DEPARTMENT.

WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE SOME QUESTIONS.

MS. QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HARA, PLEASE.

UM, MS. LOU, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR THE EMPHASIS ON EFFICIENCY AND SPEED.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE A NOT A STELLAR REPUTATION ON.

AND, UM, I JUST, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY ON THAT PATH.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA BE ESSENTIAL FOR THE CITY TO, UH, REMAIN COMPETITIVE IN A VERY COMPETITIVE REGION, UH, TO PRESERVE AND ENHANCE OUR TAX BASE, UH, AND TO MAKE A, A MORE SUSTAINABLE NORTH TEXAS WHERE WE GET MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND LESS SPRAWL.

SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE SO IMPORTANT.

AND, UM, SPEAKING FOR ZAC, UH, THREE DAYS AGO, TWO DAYS AGO, WE ADVANCED THE, UM, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER DRAFT ORDINANCE.

AND SO WE'RE, WE ARE MAKING A PROCESS MORE COMPLEX, AND WE HAVE REASONS FOR DOING THAT, BUT WE NEED TO FIND A WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MORE COMPLEX, THAT IT'S STILL RAPID, IT'S STILL EFFICIENT, IT'S NOT SLOWING THINGS DOWN.

AND SO WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA FIND A WAY TO DO BOTH.

SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON THAT.

YEAH, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? I THINK A LOT OF TIME IT IS NOT JUST ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.

SOMETIME IT'S CODED IN THE ZONING OR SOME OTHER REGULATIONS.

SO AS PART PROCESS, THAT'S WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR MEMPHIS OR OTHER CITY TO DO A COMPLETE OVERHAUL, IS YOU ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE REGULATIONS.

AND THE LAWS IN KENTUCKY, LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY ARE USED WHERE WE WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE STATE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE KENTUCKY REVISED STATUTE TO

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KIND OF STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES WE NEED TO WORK ON.

AND ONE OF MY IMPRESSION, FORGIVE ME IF I, I'M NOT CRITICIZING, UH, THE CITY AT ALL, BUT OUR ZONING CODE IS WAY OUTDATED.

I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE 1100 UDS.

THE ONLY OTHER CITY CAN REVEL OUR PROPERTY, CITY OF BOSTON.

AND GUESS WHAT, THEY ARE DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB.

UH, RIGHT NOW.

THEY ALSO REORGANIZE THEIR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THEY ARE HAVING A, UH, TASK FORCE LOOKING AT, STREAMLINE THEIR PROCESS.

THEY ARE DOING A COMPLETE ZONING OVERHAUL AS WE SPEAK.

SO ALL OF THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING TO OUR DIFFICULT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THE LAW, THE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT.

SO BE PREPARED THAT WE MAY BRING, UH, TO YOU, UH, SOME CHANGES TO THE PROCEDURE AS WELL.

UH, I LOVE THE THEME OF BE A CITY OF YES, .

I THINK IF YOU COULD PRINT SOME, IF YOU COULD, MAYBE WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I KINDA LIKE THAT.

WELL, IF YOU COULD GET 15 SHIRTS FOR THIS HORSESHOE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I WAS TALKING WITH A DEVELOPER RECENTLY, AND YOU KNOW, IT TAKES APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS TO GET FROM FILING AN APPLICATION TO GETTING A PERMIT ON A LARGE PROJECT.

AND IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS YOU'RE A FAIRLY LARGE DEVELOPER TO GET LENDING TO HANG ON WITH YOU.

AND EVEN THEN TO PREDICT WHAT THE LENDING ENVIRONMENT WILL BE IN ORDER TO DO YOUR, UM, FORECASTING AND WHATNOT.

WE HAVE TO TRIM THAT TIMELINE.

WE HAVE TO GET TO, UM, GETTING ZONING CASES OUT OF CPC MUCH FASTER THAN WE'RE DOING IT.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IT TAKES ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 15 MONTHS BY THE TIME YOU FILE TO THE FIRST TIME IT HITS OUR DESK.

THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

IT TAKES 10 MONTHS TO GET AN SUP.

SO WE HAVE PEOPLE OPERATING WITHOUT THEIR SUVS FOUR MONTHS.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NO WAY TO DO BUSINESS.

AND I'M PROBABLY TELLING YOU STUFF YOU ALREADY HAVE HEARD, BUT IT IS REALLY HAMPERING OUR ABILITY TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE REGION, TO NOT BE ABLE TO GET APPLICATIONS, AND NOT JUST THE ZONING, BUT THE PERMITTING AND THE ENGINEERING DONE IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION SO THAT DEVELOPERS, WHEN WE DO SAY YES, CAN GET THEIR PROJECTS FUNDED AND STARTED IN A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME.

AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE A FOCUS.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE JUST FAILING AT THAT.

I, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS, AND THE TIME IT TAKES TO GET AN APPLICATION FROM FILING TO THE FIRST TIME IT HITS, THIS HORSESHOE HAS DOUBLED, AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SEES IT.

AND FRANKLY, MORE AND MORE DEVELOPERS JUST AREN'T DOING BUSINESS HERE.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL.

THANK YOU TO OUR SPACE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

THAT'S WHY IT IS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, RIGHT? I MENTIONED STREAMLINE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS DOWN THE TOP OF THE LIST.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, I, I APPLAUD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND, AND THE, THE, UM, HEARING FROM THE VERY TOP THAT IT'S INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL CUSTOMER SERVICE.

UM, I, I DID CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR A FORTUNE FIVE COMPANY FOR 10 YEARS, AND BEING ON THE FRONTLINE MAKES PEOPLE, EVEN WHEN WE HAVE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO OVERCOME, THEY'LL STICK WITH US IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY IN A POSITIVE WAY.

UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, THAT THE INTERNAL, AND, AND I CONSIDER ALL 15 OF US INTERNAL, UM, AS WELL AS EXTERNAL, BECAUSE WE TOO ARE CUSTOMER SERVICE ADVOCATES FOR THE CITY.

WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO ZONING AND PROCESS AND PROCESS INNOVATION CHANGES, ZAC CLUB AND ALL THOSE OTHER COMM, UH, COMMIT COMM, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS? COMMITTEES.

THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, THAT WE, WE SIT ON.

I'M TRYING TO SAY COMMUNITIES, BUT COMMITTEES

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SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, UH, MORE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS TWO-WAY COMMUNICATIONS, WHERE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US.

WELL, I WOULD, LET ME SAY, FOR ME, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ME TO KNOW WHEN A CASE IS GONNA COME.

SO AS THE OTHER SIDE, I WOULD BE ABLE TO NOT SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS BY HAVING TO HOLD A CASE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL FRIDAY, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT THURSDAY, AND THERE IS 17 STEPS I NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, IF, IF WE, IF WE HAD THAT, THAT LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION, I THINK THAT THAT TOO WOULD, WOULD STREAMLINE AND, AND, AND, UM, SPEED UP THE PROCESS.

SO I ENCOURAGE, I THANK YOU FOR THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE SEE THAT YOU'RE DOING.

I THANK YOU FOR, UM, BRINGING THINGS TOGETHER THAT WILL HELP STREAMLINE, IF PERMITTING KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE PLANNING AND, AND THEY KNOW WHAT'S GETTING READY TO COME.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO STOP AND REINVENT THE WHEEL, AND WE WON'T HAVE TO SEE MINOR AMENDMENTS COMING ACROSS BECAUSE THEY, WE DIDN'T CROSS A T AND DOT AN I.

SO I, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CHANGES.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTION, I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE SMALL ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, RELATED TO THE CPC AS WELL.

SO, UM, STARTING AUGUST 1ST IS GONNA BE MANDATORY FOR ALL STAFF WHO MAKE PRESENTATION TO THIS BOARD AND ALL THESE OTHER BOARD TO BE HERE IN PERSON.

AND THAT'S ALREADY CHANGING NOW, BUT I GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE TIME TO ADJUST.

SO AUGUST 1ST, YOU WILL SEE THAT CHANGE EVERYBODY LIKE ME TODAY, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO BE HERE TO PRESENT THIS FACE-TO-FACE WITH YOU IN PERSON.

AND THAT SAME STANDARDS APPLY TO ALL MY STAFF IN THE FUTURE.

THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.

I THINK COMMISSIONER HAWK, PLEASE.

MR. CHAIR, MR. CARPENTER, PLEASE.

HI, GOOD MORNING.

UH, JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VISION AND FOR, UM, JUST THE, THE, THE STANDARDS THAT YOU'RE SETTING FORWARD.

ONE NOTE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU, IT'S COME UP AT THIS HARSH, HARSH QUITE A BIT.

IT'S AROUND SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS.

AND I THINK JUST ESTABLISHING THOSE SHARED SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OR HAVE THE, UM, AGREED UPON EXPECTATIONS OF WHEN TO EXPECT WHAT, I THINK IT WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THE, UM, CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER TIME AT THE HORSESHOE WITH JUST TIMING OF THINGS.

SO I DIDN'T GET THIS IN TIME, I DIDN'T GET THAT IN TIME.

AND I THINK IF WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN WE CAN EXPECT SOMETHING AND THOSE, UH, SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS ARE WELL ESTABLISHED, PUBLICIZED, UM, AND NORMALIZED, WE'LL BE ABLE, WE'LL HAVE A LESS FRICTION AT CERTAIN TIMES.

THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.

SO, UM, OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER, TOLBERT, HAS THREE CS, YOU KNOW, CONNECT, COLLABORATE, AND COMMUNICATION.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AS WELL.

SO I, I AM PRETTY SURE THE COMMUNICATION IS ALSO KEY, UH, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN STAFF, COMMUNICATION WITH YOU, COMMUNICATION WITH OUTSIDE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO WORK ON AND IMPROVE UPON.

AND WE HAD FUNDING IN PLACE.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF TIMELINE OR, OR, UM, STATUS UPDATES YOU CAN GIVE US ON THE PROPOSED REDO OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE? UM, WE JUST GOT THAT STARTED.

I THINK RIGHT NOW THE PRIORITY FOR OUR OFFICE, UH, ONE OF THE PRIORITY, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT THREE BROAD ONE PROJECTS, SPECIFIC PRIORITIES, IT'S FORWARD.

DALLAS, I KNOW YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT LATER TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA TAKE.

WE REALLY NEED TO GET THAT ADOPTED.

SO THERE'S OTHER PRIORITY, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AUTHORIZED HEARING.

WE ARE WAY BEHIND.

I LOOK AT LAST TIME, WE ARE BEHIND SIX YEARS BEHIND.

THAT'S, UH, THE, THE KIND OF, UH, THING WE'RE LOOKING AT, OUR HOPING AFTER FOR DALLAS IS ADOPTED.

HOPEFULLY SOON WE CAN REALLOCATE THAT RESOURCES TO AUTHORIZED HEARING AS WELL AS THE CODE AMENDMENT.

THE CODE IS VERY OLD.

UH, I, AS I SAID, ONE OF THE OLDEST ONE THAT IN THE COUNTRY, ALL THE OTHER CITY HAVE EITHER IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THAT IT LIKE THE CITY OF BOSTON, JUST AS BAD AS, AS, AS COMPLEX.

OURS, I DON'T WANT TO USE THAT WORD, BUT, UH, THEY ALREADY IN THE PROCESS TO DO AN OVERHAUL

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WE JUST NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GET IT STARTED, YOU KNOW.

BUT I THINK AFTER FORWARD DALLAS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON, UH, VERY QUICKLY AND GET THAT OFF THE GROUND.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MS. LOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

IT'S, UM, GREAT TO MEET YOU.

I WASN'T ABLE, UM, TO DO SO EARLIER.

UM, I SECOND ALL THE COMMENTS OF MY, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK ONE THING IS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO STREAMLINE OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AND IT'S THE THING YOU STARTED WITH IS THE IMPORTANCE OF PLANNING.

OUR CITY USED TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF CREATIVE IDEAS, SOLUTIONS, UM, STRENGTHENING COMMUNITIES THAT BENEFITED OUR CITY.

UM, I LIVE IN AN AREA THAT BENEFITED FROM A LOT OF THAT, I KNOW MANY OF US DO AS WELL.

AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPE AS WE THINK ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER COMPONENTS, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM.

THINKING ABOUT THE ROLE THAT, UM, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS OR NEW TOOLS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THAT WE NEED TO START GETTING IMPLEMENTED CAN BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE WHERE YOU ALL ARE GOING.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, COMMISSIONER HARPER, PLEASE.

HELLO.

UM, THANK YOU, UH, DIRECTOR LOU FOR BEING HERE.

UM, WE ARE SO EXCITED TO HAVE YOU.

UM, I'M DARL FROM DISTRICT THREE.

I HAVE NOT GOT A CHANCE TO MEET YOU, EVEN THOUGH I WORK ACROSS THE HALL FROM YOU.

UM, SO IT'S, UM, IT INTERESTING AND I WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST INTRODUCE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE CITY TO YOU.

UM, IN THE PAST PLANNERS, THE DEPARTMENT JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSE, UM, ASPECT OF THIS SOUTHWEST TOPOGRAPHY.

UM, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO TOURING THE AREA WITH YOU AND, AND, AND TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN HONE IN ON THIS SPECIAL, UH, CORNER OF, OF THE CITY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO CHANGING.

I LOVE THAT IDEA.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M VERY NEW TO DALLAS.

I'VE BEEN VISITING DALLAS QUITE A FEW TIMES BEFORE BECAUSE MY FAMILY LIVE HERE, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF THINGS I NEED TO LEARN.

ANYTIME I HAVE A OPPORTUNITY, SOMEBODY OFFER ME TO HAVE A RIDE ALONG OR TOUR, I GRAB IT RIGHT AWAY.

UH, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. SUE.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS, UH, AS STATED BY MY COLLEAGUES.

AND, UH, IT'S INTERESTING.

I THINK IT'S AN EXCITING REALIGNMENT.

IT WAS, UH, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT LATE THERE, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY THAT IT FINALLY HAPPENED.

UH, I THINK AS YOU AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT, I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE INVOLVED IN THE BOND PROCESS THAT WAS A $1.2 BILLION BOND, HAD A HUNDRED VOLUNTEERS, EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT FLOWING INFORMATION AND RESOURCES AND TIME AND BUS TOURS.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KEEP TRACK OF THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS BODY HAS MAYBE EIGHT TO $12 BILLION WORTH OF PRODUCT THAT FLOWS THROUGH THE 15 OF US EVERY YEAR, EVERY YEAR.

AND, UH, I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE REALIGNMENT, IT'S, IT'S THE RESOURCES, FRANKLY, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT FLOW THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT I THINK WOULD SOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HIGHLIGHTED.

SO, UH, WELCOME TO, TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND YOUR LEADERSHIP.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO BE HERE TO TALK TO YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING.

WE'LL GO TO OUR FORWARD DALLAS PIECE.

AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A BRIEFING THIS MORNING.

GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

ALL RIGHT, SO GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU ALL.

UH, SO JUST A QUICK RECAP OF HOW OUR AFTERNOON'S

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GONNA LOOK LIKE.

UM, WHAT I'M SHARING IS THE PRESENTATION FROM LAST TIME, SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PRESENTATIONS, THE SAME TOPICS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, FOR CONVENIENCE, WHAT WE WILL DO IS COLOR CODE THOSE ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, UH, THOSE IN GREEN OR THOSE THAT WE REVIEWED AND GOT FEEDBACK FROM, UH, THOSE IN YELLOW WERE THE ONES THAT WE NEEDED TO DEVELOP AND CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

UH, IN ADDITION TO, UH, CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION ON THIS SPREADSHEET, UH, WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING COMMENTS THROUGHOUT LAST NIGHT AND FOR CONVENIENCE, OUR TEAM WILL BE COMPILING ALL THOSE COMMENTS FOR YOU ALL, AND WE'LL COLOR CODE THOSE SO YOU KNOW, WHICH COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON.

SO ON THE, ON THE SCREEN, JUST GONNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE SPREADSHEET'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.

WE'LL, WE'LL PRINT THIS OUT FOR THOSE IN, UH, THE HORSESHOE, AND WE'LL SEND A PDF OUT TO THOSE, UH, JOINING VIRTUALLY.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE ALL THOSE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BY THIS BODY, UH, BUT WE'LL COLOR CODE AND FOCUS JUST ON THE ONES THAT NEED YOUR DIRECTION.

THAT'S GONNA BE COLOR CODED YELLOW, UH, THAT WAY WE KNOW WHICH ONES TO FOCUS ON AS WE'RE HAVING OUR DISCUSSION.

UM, AGAIN, AS THE LAST MEETING, ALL COMMENTS ARE UP FOR DISCUSSION.

UM, BUT IN ORDER TO HELP, UH, EXPEDITE AND HELP MAKE THIS EFFICIENT, UH, WE'RE GONNA COMPILE THOSE FOR YOU ALL AND ALSO COLOR CODE THOSE, SO IT'S EASY TO DRILL DOWN, UH, TO WHAT COMMENTS WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, SO OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL JUST OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING HOW THIS AFTERNOON'S GONNA GO, OR IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WE CAN ENTER, ENTERTAIN THOSE.

WE'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS AND, AND JUST, UH, FOI FOR OUR FOLKS ONLINE, I CAN'T SEE YOU, SO IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND TURN ON YOUR MIC QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY.

I WILL SAY I DID TAKE THE TIME TO PRINT OUT THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS, BUT DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US PRINTS FOR THIS AFTERNOON? CORRECT.

UH, AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SPEAKING INTO THE MIC ON LITTLE HARD OF HEARING, UH, JUST FOR THOSE ONLINE, UH, WE WILL PRINT OUT ALL OF THESE FOR THOSE, UH, COMMISSIONERS IN THE HORSESHOE, AND THEN THOSE ONLINE WE'LL SEND A PDF AS WELL.

AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE, I'VE YELLED PREVIOUSLY, SO WAS TRYING NOT TO DO THAT THIS MORNING.

YEAH, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE ALWAYS ADJUSTING THE DISTANCE TO THE MICROPHONE.

UH, I THINK WE SHOULD GET THOSE BEFORE LUNCH, COMMISSIONER AND, AND SO MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME LUNCHTIME.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS, THIS PIECE? OKAY, THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU ALL.

COMMISSIONERS, IT'S, UH, 9:51 AM LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK AT THIS POINT.

WE'LL COME BACK.

GOOD DAY.

THIS IS CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 38.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, AP PARKING SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF LUCAS DRIVE BETWEEN MAPLE AVENUE AND BROWN STREET.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE P ON THE, UH, ON PD NUMBER, UH, 1 93 TO ALLOW OFFICE USE OF APPROXIMATELY 6,700 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.

HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP, AND THIS IS OUR AERIAL ZOOM IN.

THIS IS OUR, UH, ZONING MAP.

SO THE SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE, UM, RETAIL USES, UH, COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY.

UH, QUICK BACKGROUND.

THE AREA OF REQUEST IS EX, UH, CURRENTLY IN EXISTING PARKING LOT, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY LOCATED IN NORTHWEST DALLAS, THE OAKLAWN, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, AND APPROXIMATELY THREE MILES FROM DOWNTOWN.

THIS LOT HAS FRONTAGE ONLY ON, UH, LUCAS DRIVE.

AND THIS IS, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A, UH, GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT.

HERE.

WE HAVE, UH, SITE VISIT PHOTOS.

THIS IS ON SITE ON LUCAS DRIVE.

THIS IS ON LUCAS DRIVE LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

THIS IS ON LUCAS DRIVE LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

SORRY, THIS IS ON LUCAS DRIVE.

LOOKING NORTHEAST

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HERE.

WE'RE ON LUCAS DRIVE LOOKING NORTHWEST.

AGAIN NORTHWEST.

THIS IS LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARDS THE, UM, THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, USES.

THIS IS LOOKING SOUTHEAST AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED.

QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, MR. CLINTON, I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS ON THE POSTED NOTICE, AND I SAW YOU HAD THE, UM, IMAGE IN YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, DID THE APPLICANT CONFIRM THAT THEY REPOSTED THAT? YES, SO, UH, I, I DID SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT.

THEY HAD, THEY DID MENTION THEY WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH THEIR SIGN BEING REMOVED.

UM, AND I THINK THEY'VE REPOSTED IT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR TIMES NOW, BUT, UM, AS OF TUESDAY, I BELIEVE OF THIS WEEK, THEY HAD REPOSTED A NEW ONE AND THEN SENT ME, UM, CURRENT IMAGES OF THAT.

AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS A, A VIRTUAL MEETING WITH THE OWNER EARLIER THIS WEEK AND THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, THEIR REQUEST FOR GR, WHICH MATCHES THE, UM, ZONING ALONG MAPLE, BUT THE BALANCE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UM, RESIDENTIAL.

UM, ARE YOU AWARE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE CONSIDERING OR DO THEY HAVE ANY FIRM PLANS FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? YES, SO, UH, BASED ON OUR, UH, MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK, UM, THE APPLICANT DID MENTION THAT HE ORIGINALLY WANTED TO DO OFFICE USE, BUT IT MIGHT CONSIDER DOING, UM, RESIDENTIAL JUST TO MATCH THE FABRIC OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN AS HE'S BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, OBVIOUSLY HIS SIGN'S BEEN COMING DOWN, IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S BEEN HAVING SOME ISSUES, UM, WITH, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT.

IS IT POSSIBLE, UM, TO REACH OUT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HE MENTIONED THAT HE GOT CITED FOR PUTTING UP A FENCE, WHICH SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN FENCE YOUR PROPERTY AND MAYBE JUST GET SOME CLARITY ON, ON, YOU KNOW, HOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, EVEN IF NO MATTER WHAT ACTION THIS BODY TAKES, HE'S GONNA HAVE SOME TIME BEFORE A PROJECT WOULD MOVE FORWARD.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO CO COMPLIANCE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE? YES.

I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

AND THEN FINAL QUESTION, THIS IS A P DISTRICT, UM, WHICH TYPICALLY SERVE ANOTHER BUSINESS.

THEY'RE TIED TO EITHER A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT RESEARCH WAS CONDUCTED TO CONFIRM THAT THIS ISN'T UTILIZED BY A SURROUNDING PROPERTY? YES.

SO AGAIN, UM, WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND THEY DID CONFIRM THAT THEY DID THEIR INITIAL RESEARCH AND DUE DILIGENCE TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKING IS NOT, UH, SERVICING ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THE AREA.

UM, AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT THEY TOLD US, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR FINAL VERDICT, UM, BUT I CAN FURTHER LOOK INTO THAT TO DOUBLE CONFIRM IF YOU WILL.

AND SO THEY WENT TO BUILDING INSPECTION, I THINK THEY MENTIONED, UM, THEY'D GONE TO THE COUNTY FOR FILING, THEY'D LOOK AT ADJACENT COS AND, AND NONE OF THAT SHOWED ANY, UM, PARKING TIED TO THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK YOU MR. CLINTON.

THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. CLINTON, UM, I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING THAT THE APPLICANT IS THINKING ABOUT DOING RESIDENTIAL ON THIS LOT DOES, BUT THE APPLICATION IS FOR A GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT.

I'M, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING IN THAT SUBDISTRICT.

DOES THAT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL? SO THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FOR AN OFFICE USE.

UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED DOING A GR TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO GET WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

HOWEVER, IF THEY WANTED TO DO A RESIDENTIAL, UM, IT IS ALLOWED WITHIN, UM, THEIR SUBDISTRICT.

SO AGAIN, BASED ON OUR TALKS THAT WE HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK, UM, THE APPLICANT IS CONSIDERING DOING SOMETHING THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE EXISTING USES ARE.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE, JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

THIS MAY BE FOR MR. MOORE.

UM, AS A GR DISTRICT IT WOULD BE RETAIL.

SO IN ORDER TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL, UM, THE CASE WOULD NEED TO BE RENO, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

SORRY FOR THE CONFUSING.

YES, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RENO AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, DO A DIFFERENT, UH, PROPOSAL.

YES, COMMISSIONER? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S COR.

IN ORDER TO RECOMMEND A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE HELD AND READVERTISED.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'RE SET.

DID RYAN HAVE A QUESTION? MR. MULKEY, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? DO WE NEED FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? GUYS? COULD, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, DOES THE GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL OR DOES IT NEED A NEW SUBDISTRICT AND BE RENO? UH, SO, UM, UNLIKE CHAPTER 51, A, PD 1 93 IS BASED ON CHAPTER 51, UH, WHICH IS A CUMULATIVE, UH, ZONING CODE, MEANING THAT THE GR SUBDISTRICT, ALTHOUGH PRIMARILY INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL USES, DOES ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES LIKE SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION THAT NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, VICE RUBIN STEP BACK INTO THE CHAMBER.

UH, COMMISSIONER'S ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, IS ALSO OFF CONSENT, BUT WE WILL BE BRIEFING TODAY.

YES, YES.

UH, FOUR.

YES, WE READY? THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 41.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOUR A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD, UM, SOUTHWEST OF SCOVILLE ROAD.

THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO CR COMMUNITY RETAIL TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES ON SITE, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES IN SIZE.

HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP.

HERE'S OUR, UH, AERIAL MAP AND THE ZONING MAP SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL RETAIL.

UH, A QUICK BACKGROUND.

SO AGAIN, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, R 10 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, UH, WITH AN EXISTING STRUCTURE USED AS A RESIDENCE ON THE LOT.

UM, AGAIN, APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES IN SIZE, GEOGRAPHICALLY LOCATED IN SOUTHEAST DALLAS, THE WEST KLEBERG AREA.

UM, THIS IS A CORNER LOT, SO IT HAS FRONTAGE ON SOUTH BELT LINE AND SEVILLE ROAD.

UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST AGAIN IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO CR UH, TO A CR DISTRICT.

AND, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A ZONING CASES IN THE AREA IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE.

HERE WE HAVE, UH, SOME SITE VISIT IMAGES.

THIS IS ON THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THEIR ZONING SIGNS POSTED.

THIS IS ON SEVILLE ROAD LOOKING NORTHEAST.

THIS IS ON SEVILLE ROAD LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

UH, SAME POSITION, BUT LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING NORTHEAST.

THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

THIS IS ON SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

THIS IS ON SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD LOOKING SOUTH.

HERE'S A BRIEF, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS CHART DOING A COMPARISON.

UM, SO JUST QUICKLY STAFF'S ANALYSIS.

UM, THE REQUEST COMPLIES WITH AND ALIGNS WITH VARIOUS GOALS, UM, WITHIN FOUR DALLAS, BUT ALSO THE EAST AND WEST KLEBERG AREA PLANS, UH, BECAUSE IT SITS AT A PROMINENT INTERSECTION THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED FOR FUTURE REVIT REVITALIZATION WITH EMPHASIS ON COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT IS TAILORING THE USES TO STREAMLINE THEM NOT ONLY FOR THEIR USE, BUT ALSO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, GOOD MORNING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A LIST AND I, I APOLOGIZE TO MY FELLOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

THERE WAS A LIST OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WAS SUBMITTED LATE.

UM, MY FAULT, I APOLOGIZE.

I HAD THEM IN, BUT I APOLOGIZE.

UM, SO THE REASON IS NOT THE REASON WHY WE ARE TAKING IT OFF OF CONSENT IS BECAUSE OF THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT CAME IN LATE SO THAT, THAT WE COULD LOOK ALL, LOOK AT THEM AND SEE THAT

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AND I BELIEVE WE DID RECEIVE THOSE, UH, BY EMAIL COMMISSIONER HALL.

I THINK IN THE BRIEF IT SAID THIS LOT WAS UNDEVELOPED, BUT LOOKING AT THE MAP, IT APPEARED TO HAVE A STRUCTURE ON IT.

WHAT, UH, WHAT WAS THAT? YES, THAT'S A TYPO ON MY END.

UM, I DID NOT UPDATE THAT LA LA LADDER SECTION OF THE CASE REPORT, BUT IT IS CURRENTLY, UM, A LOT THAT HAS A STRUCTURE USED AS AN A RESIDENCE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY, MY BAD COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UM, MR. CLINTON, WOULD YOU CONFIRM IN YOUR PRESENTATION IT INDICATES THAT THE PROPERTY HAS FRONTAGE ON SAGEVILLE ROAD, BUT IN OUR DOCKET, THE, IT DOES NOT EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO SEVILLE.

THERE'S A NOTCH, BUT IT DOESN'T EXTEND, COULD YOU? WHICH, WHICH IS IT? SO YES, IT'S TECHNICALLY IS NOT A CORNER LOT, BUT IT SITS AT THE CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION.

AND BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE AREA OF REQUEST, THE FRONTAGE IS ON BOTH SOUTH BELTLINE AND SEVILLE ROAD.

WELL, I GUESS I'M, THERE'S A GRAPHIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT, IT'S THAT OUR, UM, AREA OF REQUEST DOES NOT SHOW IT CONNECTING TO SEVILLE ROAD.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO THEN BASED ON THE GRAPHIC, IT'S, IF IT'S JUST SHOWING, UM, I THINK IT'S JUST SHOWING SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD, WE DID HAVE SOME, UH, CHALLENGES WITH THE AREA OF REQUEST, SO I THINK IT JUST DID NOT GET UPDATED AGAIN.

THAT'S, THAT'S ON ME.

SO ON THE MAP ON FOUR 17, THE, AND AGAIN, IT'S WHERE WE'RE SHOWING THE USES, YOU CAN PICK WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT, BUT THE, THE, IT EXTENDS TO AND INCLUDES THE FULL PROPERTY CONNECTING TO SAGEVILLE ROAD? NO.

SO AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST, UM, AND I'LL, I CAN GO BACK REALLY QUICKLY.

SO THE GRAPHIC HERE, UM, SHOWS THAT IT, THE, THE AREA OF REQUEST EXTENDS TO, UH, SEAVILLE ROAD, BUT UM, BASED ON WHAT WE HAD TO DO, UM, WITH THE AREA OF REQUEST AND THAT WAS ADJUSTED, IT'S BASICALLY THIS SQUARE HERE BECAUSE THIS PORTION OF THE SITE IS ALREADY ZONED CR SO WE HAD TO, SO WE'RE CONNECTING THE TWO? YES.

SO THEY ALL BECOME ONE AS ONE ZONING DISTRICT EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE TWO PARCELS? CORRECT.

GOT IT.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? PARDON ME? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

CLEARS THAT UP.

UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, MR. CLINTON, THE, THE CHART THAT'S LISTED, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT, STARTING ON PAGE FOUR DASH EIGHT, THAT THAT IS, UM, COMPARING THE EXISTING R 10 AND THE PROPOSED CR, THE USES THAT ARE SHOWN UNDER CR, THERE'S SOME KIND OF SWITCHEROO TOOK PLACE.

THOSE ARE REALLY THE CS USES? CORRECT.

SO I THINK THERE, THERE WAS A BIT OF A MIX UP, SO A LOT OF THE USES THAT ARE IN CR ARE ALSO ALLOWED IN CS.

SO AGAIN, JUST A ISSUE ON MY END, DOUBLE CHECKING THAT.

MM-HMM, , BUT THE, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT I, THE COPY OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, I HAVE THE, THE REVISED THAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S HANDING OUT IT, IT DOES SEEM TO BE USING THE CR UH, USES.

SO I THINK WE'RE WE'RE ON TRACK.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR.

NO PROBLEM.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, CAN YOU GO, YEAH, THAT MAP THAT YOU HAVE UP, UM, AND I, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

THIS IS JUST A STRIP THAT IS ZONED R 10 AND IT'S CONNECTING, CORRECT.

IT'S CONNECTING TO AN ALREADY EXISTING CR DISTRICT, CORRECT? YES.

AND WERE YOU AWARE THAT THAT THE, THE, THE SECTION THAT'S UP FRONT THAT HAS THE GAS, HAS THE FUELING STATION WITH CONVENIENCE STORE ALREADY IS ALSO ALL OWNED BY THE APPLICANT, SO IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE APPLICANT, IT'S OWNED BY THE APPLICANT'S HUSBAND? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, I SHOULD SAY YES.

SO IT'S HUSBAND AND WIFE THAT OWNS NOW THIS WHOLE ENTIRE CORNER LOT.

AND, AND WERE YOU AWARE THAT THEY WILL BE JOINTLY USING THE FUELING STATION, THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THE CR DISTRICT AS ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY? YES.

THANK YOU AND THANK YOU.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS?

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UH, COMMISSIONERS ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL AUGUST 8TH, SO WE'LL BRIEF THAT ONE THEN TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER SIX.

ITEM NUMBER SIX IS Z 2 3 4 1 5 9.

THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 5 32.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST LINE OF SOUTHWESTERN MORELAND ROAD BETWEEN SHELDON AVENUE AND WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 30,000, UH, 90 SQUARE FEET.

THIS IS A LOCATION MAP.

UH, THIS IS THE AREA OF THE SITE, A ZONING MAP, UM, SURROUNDING EARTH.

UM, ALL AROUND IS R 7.5 A AND THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY.

THERE IS A FIRE STATION ON THE NORTH AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHURCHES, UM, TO TOWARDS THE SOUTH.

THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.

PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 5 32 WAS ESTABLISHED BY CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 27TH, 1999.

THE PD ALLOWS AN R SEVEN 50 A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT USES WITH A COLLEGE DORMITORY, FRATERNITY OR SORORITY HOUSED USED BY SUP.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOR A PERSONAL SERVICE USE, THEREFORE, THEY ARE REQUESTING AN NSA UH, DISTRICT PERSONAL SERVICE USE IS PERMANENT BY RIDE UNDER THE NSA DISTRICT.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON ONSITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST, UH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTH, UH, LOOKING NORTH.

THEN SURROUNDING USES ON ONSITE LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHWEST.

AND THIS IS SANDERS STANDARDS.

UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING PD 5 32 AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THE NSA AND THEN STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER TURNOCK PLEASE.

UH, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW THE, THE, THE BUILDING CURRENTLY IS VACANT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF THERE WERE THE LAST CO ACTIVE CO AT THIS UH, SITE WAS OR HOW LONG IT'S BEEN VACANT NOT BEING USED? I'M NOT TOO SURE, BUT I KNOW THE LAST CO, UM, WAS FOR A DORMITORY.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN WAS, FROM WHAT TIME TO WHAT TIME IT HAS BEEN VACANT.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, I WAS TOLD THAT THIS WAS THE FORMER LOCATION OF THE FIRE STATION AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE LAST USE THAT WAS ACTIVE THERE.

MAY I HAVE ONE ONLINE? OH, I'M SORRY.

WE DO HAVE ONE ONLINE.

IS THAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT NOTICE THAT I HAVE? IT IS, YES.

UM, I NOTICED THE HEIGHT WAS, UM, IT ALLOWS FOR SIGNIFICANT HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT ON THAT CORNER AND, UH, TRAVEL PRETTY OFTEN.

AND DOES THAT HEIGHT, ARE THEY PLANNING TO USE THE ENTIRE HEIGHT? THEY, THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO NOT DO ANY RENOVATIONS TO, TO THE BUILDING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. GARZA.

WE WILL GO TO, UH, MR. BATON NUMBER SEVEN.

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GOOD, GOOD MORNING.

JUST GET THIS SCREEN SHARED HERE.

UH, NO ADOBE.

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN WHATEVER YOU'RE SELLING.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

UH, THIS IS MARTIN BATE, THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 71.

THIS OUTTA THE WAY, IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SAMUEL BOULEVARD, EAST OF WINFIELD STREET, APPROXIMATELY 4.3 ACRES IN SIZE.

UH, WE SEE IT HERE IN THE EASTERN SECTION OF THE CITY.

I OFF I 30.

HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE, UH, THE, THE SUBJECT SITE.

UH, WILL NOTE THERE WAS A SLIGHT ERROR WITH THE OUTLINE HERE, THESE TWO PARCELS WHERE MY CURSOR IS, THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE AREA OF REQUEST.

UH, BUT OTHERWISE THE REST OF IT IS, UH, THE ZONING MAP WE SEE HERE.

IT IS MOSTLY A MIX OF, AGAIN, RETAIL TYPE OUTLETS AS WELL AS UH, SOME UNDEVELOPED LOTS.

UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S A, UH, GENERAL MERCHANDISE AND FOOD STORE LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND OUT SERVICE CENTER, UH, TO THE EAST ON THAT EASTERN LOT.

THERE'S COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE.

UM, A PARAPHERNALIA SHOP, UH, TO THE NORTH IS R 7.5 A ZONING WITH SUP NUMBER 2, 2 4, UH, WHICH IS FOR A GOLF COURSE FOR THE TENON PARK AREA.

AND THEN TO THE WEST IS A HOTEL, UH, TO THE SOUTH ACROSS OF I 30 IS R 7.5 A.

AND THEN TO THE EAST THERE IS THE UH, UH, RAILROAD LINE.

THE APPLICANT TENDS TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY ON THE SITE AND HAS INDICATED THEY WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS SYSTEM FOR DEVELOPMENT BONUSES.

AND TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY ARE REQUESTING THE MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT.

HERE WE HAVE VARIOUS PHOTOS.

I'LL KIND OF JUST GO THROUGH THEM 'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT, BUT HERE WE ARE ON SAMUEL LOOKING WEST AND THEN TO THE NORTHWEST TOWARDS TENSON PARK AND TO THE NORTH TO TENSON, THEN TO THE EAST WITH THE SUBJECT SITE TO THE RIGHT OF THE PHOTO HERE WE'RE ON SAMUEL AND WINFIELD LOOKING SOUTH AND TO THE SOUTHEAST, THEN TO THE SOUTH AND THEN TO THE NORTH HERE WE'RE ON WINFIELD LOOKING WEST AND THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST.

ONE OF THOSE UNDEVELOPED LOTS.

THEN LOOKING EAST ON WINFIELD OR ON WINFIELD AND MARYFIELD AND THEN TO THE NORTHEAST BACK ON SAMUEL, LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS TENSON PARK INTO THE NORTHWEST AND EAST, HERE'S THE SOUTHEAST, THEN LOOKING SOUTHWEST AT THE WESTERN LOT AND LOOKING SOUTH, THEN LOOKING EAST, NORTHEAST.

THEN ON BOONE AVENUE, THIS IS BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE EASTERN LOT.

AND JUST GOING FURTHER DOWN BOONE, THEN ON BOONE AND MARYFIELD LOOKING SOUTHWEST AND THEN THE NORTH BACK ON SAMUEL LOOKING SOUTHEAST AGAIN.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE USES LOOKING WEST ON SAMUEL LOOKING EAST.

AND THEN FURTHER ALONG THE LOT LOOKING SOUTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST.

UH, THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

I'LL NOTE THAT IN THE REPORT THERE WAS ERROR MADE.

UH, WE DID NOT PUT THE CORRECT UH, STANDARDS FOR RR.

IT HAD, UH, R 7.5 IN THERE.

UH, THESE ARE THE CORRECT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

I'D BE HAPPY TO CIRCULATE THESE, UM, AS WELL.

UH, BUT THE COMPARISON HERE IS BETWEEN THE RR DISTRICT AND THE MF TWO A DISTRICT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAVE SIMILAR FRONT SETBACKS.

THERE ARE GREATER SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS AND MF TWO AS COMPARED TO RR.

UH, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN FAR AND DWELLING UNIT DENSITY.

UH, THE MF TWO OR THE MF DISTRICTS IN GENERAL DON'T HAVE FAR LIMITATIONS, UH, OR DWELLING UNIT DENSITY LIMITATIONS.

INSTEAD, THE LIMITATION COMES THROUGH MINIMUM LOT SIZES FOR, UH, MULTI, IN THIS CASE MULTIFAMILY.

UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS MUCH LOWER THAN THE RR DISTRICT.

UH, LOT COVERAGE IS REDUCED.

AND THE PRIMARY USES OF COURSE ARE QUITE DIFFERENT.

ONE IS FOR RETAIL, ONE IS FOR HOUSING.

UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF FOOTNOTES IN HERE.

I'LL GO THROUGH THOSE.

UH, THERE IS AN URBAN FORM SETBACK REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, REQUIRES ADDITIONAL 20 FEET SETBACK FOR A PORTION OF A STRUCTURE OVER 45 FEET IN HEIGHT.

UM, THAT APPLIES TO THE, UH, RR DISTRICT.

OH, UH, THERE IS A SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 20 FEET.

WELL, THAT'S FOR RR, UH, BUT WHEN IT'S ACROSS AN ALLEY FROM A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING PROBABLY IS THE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.

UH, I THINK WE'VE ALL GOTTEN QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THAT OVER THE MONTHS AND YEARS.

UH, BUT JUST TO RECAP, GENERALLY WHEN A PORTION OF A STRUCTURE IS OVER 26 FEET IN HEIGHT, YOU CAN'T GO PAST AN RPS.

NOW WITH

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THAT BEING SAID, THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OF THE NORTH, IT IS PUBLIC LAND.

UH, ONE OF THE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE CODE FOR RPS IS THAT IT IS TRIGGERED THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, NOT PUBLIC LAND.

UH, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A CONFLICT WITH RPS FROM THE NORTHERN SITE, UH, TO THE SOUTH THERE IS THE R 7.5 A DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, ANY PRI PRIVATE PROPERTY OVER THERE IS SOUTH OF I 30.

UH, SO THE RPS THAT PROJECTS FROM THAT WOULD BE WELL IN EXCESS OF ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED EITHER UNDER MF TWO BASE HEIGHTS OR THE, UH, BONUSES THAT COULD BE PROVISION PROVISIONED THROUGH MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, BONUSES AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER HEAD.

UM, THANK YOU, UM, MR. BATE FOR THE PRESENTATION.

TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UM, AREA OF REQUEST? I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT AND JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THERE'S TWO PARCELS THAT ARE, UM, APPROXIMATE TO BOONE THE CROSS STREET THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE REQUEST AND THAT AS SHOWN IN OUR CASE REPORT, SORRY, AS SHOWN IN OUR, AS SHOWN IN OUR CASE REPORT AS SHOWN IN THE CASE REPORT.

SO THE AREA REQUEST IN THE CASE REPORT THAT IS ACCURATE HERE, UH, IT WAS JUST A, UH, A CLERICAL ISSUE WHEN I DREW OUT THE, UH, POLYGON HERE.

I BELIEVE THERE'S THESE TWO LOTS HERE.

35, 23 AND 35, 33 MERRIFIELD.

UH, WE PULLED, I PULLED A, UH, PERMIT IN OUR PERMITTING SYSTEM.

THERE WAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED IN THE LATE 1990S FOR AN AUTO SERVICE CENTER.

UH, IT IS NOT CLEAR IF THAT BUSINESS IS STILL IN OPERATION.

UH, IF WE LOOK AT IT ON GOOGLE MAPS, THERE'S NO BUSINESS LISTED THERE.

UH, USING A AERIAL IMAGERY THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE A LOT LIKE A PARKING LOT FENCED OFF, UH, WITH VEHICLES IN THERE.

UH, BUT IT IS UNCLEAR WHAT THE, KINDA WHAT THE EXISTING USE IS, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

IT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IF THEY'RE AWARE OF KIND OF WHAT'S BEING USED THERE.

UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, STAFF DOES NOT FORESEE A CONFLICT THERE WITH, UH, PROPOSED THE PROPOSED REZONING.

UM, TWO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS SITE, AND I GUESS IT DOESN'T SHOW HERE, IT SHOWS IN THE AERIAL THERE'S AN ACTIVE RAIL LINE, JUST THERE'S AN ACTIVE RAIL LINE JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS SITE.

IT FRONTS ONTO I 30.

WERE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT NOISE MITIGATION WITH INTRODUCING A RESIDENTIAL USE IN THIS LOCATION? UH, NO DISCUSSIONS WERE HAD ON THAT FRONT.

AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER WHAT THEY, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD DO AS FAR AS REDUCING NOISE.

UM, UH, PERSONALLY I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE LIVED NEAR SOME RAILROAD TRACKS BEFORE AND, UH, THEY CAN BE, UH, DIFFICULT, BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE PRETTY HARD TO NOTICE.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE APPLICANT AND HOW THE DEVELOPER CONSTRUCTS IT.

UM, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS IS A-M-I-H-D-B PROJECT AND IS RECEIVING, UM, CITY FUNDING FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF, UH, CITY FUNDING FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT, NO.

WELL, I THINK I CAN SHARE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SHARED THAT WITH ME AND HAS BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.

UM, AS SUCH, IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE HUD GUIDELINES REGARDING NOISE.

WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? UH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE HUD REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I, I THINK THIS BODY HAS HAD A FEW COME THROUGH THAT HAVE INCLUDED THAT AND MIGHT ADDRESS, UM, NOISE, NOISE CONSIDERATIONS.

COMMISSIONER SEN.

, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. MILKEY.

UM, SO ON THE RPSI WILL SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

I HAVE OFTEN OVERLOOKED THAT I JUST PULLED UP 51 A AND AM DELIGHTED TO BE EDUCATED MORE.

UM, FINAL QUESTION.

NOPE, THAT WAS MY LIST.

YOU THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER HALL.

YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE, ARE THEY GONNA BUILD DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE, THE, THE TWO LITTLE LOTS THAT ARE AREN'T INCLUDED IN THIS OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA BUILD APARTMENTS ON TWO DIFFERENT PLOTS? UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY, UH, SITE PLANS OR RENDERINGS UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE IT IS A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SUBMIT ONE AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE.

UH, IT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UH, IT IS ON CONSENT, SO IN ORDER TO ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF CONSENT? NO.

, IT'S A DESIGN ISSUE.

COMMISSIONER, I, I CAN SHARE WITH THE BODY THAT I HAVE SEEN A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THAT WILL NOT BE PART OF THE CONSIDERATION, BUT IT IS DEVELOPED AS SEPARATE PROPERTIES, NOT INCLUDING THIS WITH A LITTLE SMALLER TOWNHOUSE CURRENTLY PLANNED JUST NORTH OF THOSE TWO LOTS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.

GO TO NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS

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IN SEPTEMBER.

UH, LET'S USE SEPTEMBER 5TH AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR NOW, BUT IT IS ONE OF THOSE TWO, EITHER FIFTH OR 19TH, SO, SO WE'LL BRIEF THAT THEN.

WHAT, WHAT DATE WAS THAT AGAIN? I, I THINK IT'S SEPTEMBER 5TH, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA VERIFY THAT.

SO DO WE NEED THAT BRIEF TODAY? WE WILL NOT BRIEF IT TODAY.

UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS TRAVELING, I THINK IS GONNA JOIN US FROM, FROM ONE OF THE AIRPORTS TODAY.

UH, ALSO CASE NUMBER NINE WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO, UH, 7 25.

WE ARE NOT BRIEFING TODAY.

UH, OUR NUMBER 10 ALSO.

SORRY, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE GO ON, ON ITEM NINE, UM, IT'S HELD TILL JULY 25TH.

UM, DO WE NEED TO RE ADVERTISE AS A NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT? NO.

OKAY, COOL.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON GREENVILLE AVENUE, LOOKING EAST.

QUESTION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER NUMBER 10, HELD LENDER ADVISEMENT TO AUGUST 22ND.

NOT BRIEF, NOT BRIEF TODAY, AUGUST 22ND AND TEXAS US TO NUMBER 11.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

ITEM NUMBER 11 IS KZ.

2, 2 3 2 8 9.

REQUESTS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT, LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

DISTRICT NUMBER A 42 WITH AN MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLY.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GREENVILLE AVENUE AND ORAM STREET.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 12,153 SQUARE FEET.

THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP.

THIS IS THE AERIAL, UH, MAP OF THE SITE.

AND THEN THE ZONING MAP TOWARDS THE NORTH IS PD 8 42.

UM, TOWARDS THE EAST IS SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 8 42 SOUTH, AND, UH, WEST SIDE IS PD 8 42.

UM, AND THEN, UM, SO TOWARDS THE NORTH IS A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.

UH, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET TOWARDS THE EAST IS A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT.

TOWARDS THE SOUTH EAST IS A SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH, THERE'S RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN SERVICE, ALCOHOL, BEVERAGE, BEVERAGE, ESTABLISHMENTS, GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, UH, GREATER LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.

UH, TOWARDS THE WEST IS, UH, THE SAME GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, LESS THAN 3000 SQUARE FEET, A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN SERVICES AND A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT.

ON JANUARY 26, UH, 2011, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED PLANT LAND NUMBER 8 42.

THE 0.2 79 ACRE AREA OF THE REQUEST IS DEVELOPED WITHIN APPROXIMATELY 10,467 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY BUILDING WITH FOUR SUITES ERECTED IN 1930 AND DAY ONE STORY 494 SQUARE FOOT COCKTAIL LOUNGE ERECTED IN 2005.

UH, PER DEC PER DECAL RESTAURANT, THE HYDE RESTAURANT RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ON OCTOBER 8TH, 2021.

IT OCCUPIES THE, UH, SUITE ON THE CORNER OF GREENVILLE AVENUE AND ORM STREET WITH A FLOOR AREA OF 5,152 SQUARE FEET.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS ONLY REQUESTING THE SUP FOR THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS 3,605 SQUARE FEET.

A PD OF 8 42 DEFINES A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT AS A RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USE THAT OPERATES BETWEEN 12:00 AM AND 6:00 AM THE RESTAURANT MAY OPERATE BY RIDE IN THE DISTRICT AND ONLY NEEDS THE SEP FOR OPERATIONS PADS AT 12:00 AM THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THE EXTENDED HOURS, UH, FOR THE RESTAURANT.

USED TO BE FROM 2:00 AM UM, TWO 2:00 AM UM, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY ON MAY 16.

UM, SEA POND, UM, DID HOLD THIS ITEM UNDER DRIVE ADVISEMENT FOR, FOR THIS MEETING AND NO CHANGES HAS BEEN MADE.

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UH, LOOKING EAST AGAIN, UH, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST.

AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ON GREENVILLE AVENUE, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING WEST, UH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTH.

AND ON OREM, UM, LOOKING SOUTH AGAIN SOUTHEAST.

AND THEN THIS IS A SITE PLANT, UM, OF THE SITE, OR AS I MENTIONED, IT'S JUST GONNA BE THE HYDE RESTAURANT.

IT'S GONNA BE ONLY THE FIRST FLOOR, THE 3,600 AND, UH, FIVE SQUARE FEET THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE SAP BEFORE.

AND THE STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STATUS, RECOMME STATUS, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF PD 8 42? I AM SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY, MY NOTES FURTHER.

HOW MANY, UM, LATE NIGHT SUVS ARE PRESENTLY, UM, IN OPERATION IN PD 8 42? I AM NOT AWARE.

DID YOU LOOK INTO THAT BEFORE YOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THIS? I, I DID.

SORRY, I DID SEE THERE, THERE WAS A, A FEW, UM, STILL THERE IN OPERATION.

UM, DID YOU PULL ANY OF THE CODE COMPLAINTS OR POLICE DATA FOR THIS SITE, UM, AROUND THIS AREA? I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS AROUND THIS SITE.

DID YOU PULL ANY OF THEM FOR THIS ADDRESS? FOR THIS ADDRESS? UH, NO.

DID YOU MAKE ANY EFFORT TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON BEFORE WE GO ON? UM, SO PART OF OUR ANALYSIS WITH THE ZONING CASE, AGAIN, IT'S PRIMARILY LAND USE AND ZONING, UM, ANY CO COMPLIANCE ISSUES OR NOT A PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION FOR THE ZONING CASE.

AND WE REALLY ONLY REQUEST CRIME STATS FOR CASES INVOLVING ALCOHOL SALES.

SO NO, WE DID NOT CONSIDER ANY OF THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU ATTEMPTING TO INTERRUPT MY QUESTIONING AND PROTECT HER, BUT PD 8 42 HAS VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA, INCLUDING THAT INFORMATION, WHICH IF YOU HAD LOOKED AT PD 8 42 AND USED THAT CRITERIA IN THE STAFF REPORT, I WOULDN'T BE ASKING ABOUT, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION NOW.

UM, WAS THERE ANY EFFORT TO SEE IF THE PROPERTY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ITS CO? SO, UM, I DID SEE THAT IT WAS, UM, 'CAUSE IT, IT'S FOR A RESTAURANT.

UM, IT'S NOT FOR AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

RANGING FROM VEHICLE SALES DISPLAY AND SERVICE TO AUTO SERVICE CENTER, AS WELL AS A LARGE AMOUNT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, UH, INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE AREA, INCLUDING, UH, ADJACENT TO THE AREA OF REQUEST.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.

ITEM NUMBER 12 IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL AUGUST 8TH BRIEF AT THAT BRIEF, AT THAT NUMBER 13, BACK TO MR. BATE.

THANK YOU, MS. GARZA.

THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 115.

IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONE, A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TRUCK STOP LOCATED ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD AND CHERRY VALLEY BOULEVARD, ABOUT 4.3 ACRES IN SIZE.

UH, HERE IT IS, UH, ON THE MAP OF FAR, FAR, FAR SOUTH PART OF THE CITY IS AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE AREA OF REQUEST.

THE ZONING MAP.

UH, SO THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING AREA TO THE EAST IS, UH, IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH ZONING.

AND THEN THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE.

UH, PARDON ME.

THERE'S A VERY LARGE MIX OF USES IN THIS AREA

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UH, SO IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE AND CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A RETAIL STORE.

UH, INITIALLY THE REQUEST FOR THE PD IS TO ALLOW THE TRUCK STOP USE BY RIGHT, UM, AND RESTRICT OTHER USES.

UH, THERE'S INCLU, THEY'VE INCLUDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR BUFFERING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES, AS WELL AS, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

SO SITE PHOTOS.

HERE WE ARE ON CHERRY VALLEY BOULEVARD LOOKING NORTH AND TO THE NORTHEAST, THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.

ONE OF THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES JUST INTERSPERSED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEN TO THE NORTHWEST, UH, LOOKING AT THE SUBJECT SITE.

AND THEN FURTHER ALONG, I WENT BACK TO, UH, TAKE SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS, THIS FURTHER EASTERN PART OF THE SITE, AND THEN TO THE NORTH, AND THEN TO THE NORTHEAST, THE SOUTHEAST, THEN TO THE NORTHEAST.

IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE PHOTO IS, UH, WHERE THESE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT THE, UH, LOT AND THEN TO THE EAST AND THEN TO THE NORTH, SHOWING THE BORDERLINE AND THE NORTHWEST THE NORTH.

THEN HERE WE'RE CLOSER TO THE CORNER WITH SOUTH LANCASTER LOOKING EAST AND THEN TO THE NORTH.

THIS IS THE, UH, CURRENT, UH, RETAIL STORE THAT IS, UH, BUILT THERE, LOOKING ACROSS THE WAY, LOOKING NORTH ON LANCASTER, LOOKING NORTHEAST, NORTHWEST TO THE SOUTH.

AND HERE WE GO.

UH, FURTHER UP ALONG THE LOT ON LANCASTER, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING TO THE WEST AND THE NORTH.

UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

UH, WE SEE HERE THAT THE, IT WOULD BE A MIX OF BOTH A, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION HERE ON THE EASTERN PART OF THE LOT, UM, AS WELL AS A, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE.

AND THEN A, UH, THE TRUCK STOP.

THE ACTUAL FUELING FOR THAT WOULD BE TO THE, UH, TO THE WEST OR TO THE EAST OF THE, UH, LOT, UH, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

AND THERE WAS A, UH, CHANGE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, YESTERDAY THAT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE COMMISSION.

I'LL BRIEF YOU ON THAT, BUT, UH, THE, THE BIGGEST CHANGE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW THE TRUCK STOP USE BY RIGHT, INSTEAD OF REQUIRING AN SUP.

SO RIGHT NOW IN THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT, TRUCK STOP USES, UH, REQUIRE AN SUP, UH, WITH A SITE PLAN AND ALL THAT.

UH, IN THIS CASE, THAT WOULD BE PROVISIONED THROUGH THE PD.

UH, THERE'S ALSO RESTRICTIONS TO VARIOUS USES THAT ARE NORMALLY IN THE CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT.

UH, RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE, WHICH IS A LANDSCAPING THING WOULD BE REQUIRED ALONG THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN PERIMETERS OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, AND SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED AS WELL.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, THEY HAVE, UH, PROPOSED THAT THE, AND THIS IS THE CHANGE THAT CAME THROUGH YESTERDAY.

UH, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A 25 FOOT, UH, SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACK, UH, FOR THE WHOLE, UH, PD VERSUS, UH, HAVING IT TRIGGERED BY A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ADJACENCY.

SO IT WOULD JUST BE A, A FLAT STRAIGHT 25 FOOT, UH, SETBACK, AS WELL AS A 70 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE.

STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THIS, UH, IT KIND OF LOOKS AT ITS COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE ESPECIALLY INITIAL PD REQUESTS, UH, WE FOUND THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPOSED ENHANCEMENTS AND DEVIATIONS.

UH, THE SUP COULD ACHIEVE SIMILAR GOALS IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTING SETBACKS AND, UH, AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.

UH, PDS ARE PERMANENT, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST THE PD FROM THE, UH, PERSPECTIVE OF THEIR BUSINESS INVESTMENT.

THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY PUT SOMETHING IN HERE, THAT IT WILL BE PROTECTED FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT AN SVP CAN ALSO HAVE A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD OR A VERY LONG LASTING TIME PERIOD.

UH, ADDITIONALLY IN TERMS OF THE PROPOSED USE, UH, STAFF DOES FIND IT TO BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE, THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES THERE, SO THAT YOU DO HAVE A FEW SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THAT DIRECTLY ABUT THIS, UH, THE LOT.

AND THAT WOULD BE FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE ACTUAL TRUCK STOP PORTION OF THE, OF THE PROJECT.

UH, IT'S A TOUGH CALL BECAUSE IT IS A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL USES OR HEAVY USES THERE.

UH, BUT WE DID FIND THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES.

UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL, UH, BUT WE DID RECOMMEND THAT IF THE USE IS DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY THE BODY THAT, UH, AN SUP BE APPROVED IN LIEU OF A PD.

AND, UH, WITH THAT QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SO, UM, IN REVIEWING THIS AREA OF REQUEST,

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UM, THE DID WAS IT NOT NOTICED THAT NOT ALL, MOST OF THE SITES THAT ARE ABUTTING THIS PROPERTY ARE ZONED, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENS, ZONE CS WITH RESIDENTIAL USE.

SO THE ZONING ON THE LAND IS CS, THE USE HAS RESIDENTIAL USE.

AND HA AND WAS, WERE YOU, DID YOU NOT NOTICE THAT SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES ALSO WERE PARKING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES? UH, YES.

THAT, THAT WAS NOTICED, UH, IN DOING, UH, SOME OF THE SITE VISITS AND LOOKING AT THE AERIALS, UM, WITHOUT KNOWING THE EXACT HISTORY OF THE ZONING IN THE AREA, IT'S HARD TO SAY HOW THAT CAME ABOUT, BUT LIKELY IT MIGHT'VE BEEN THROUGH, UH, IN THE PAST WITH THE CUMULATIVE ZONING WHERE IT DID, YOU KNOW, USES THAT ALREADY EXISTED, WERE SORT OF GRANDFATHERED IN AS IT CHANGED THROUGH THAT.

UM, IT, IT IS A STRANGE, IT'S A STRANGE AREA IN TERMS OF HOW IT HAS BEEN ZONED AND HOW IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.

'CAUSE TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL IN THERE.

UH, AND THERE ARE WHAT APPEARED TO BE A LARGE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING, EITHER LOTS THAT ARE USED FOR PARKING TRUCKS OR TRAILERS AS WELL AS, UH, FOLKS PARKING TRUCKS JUST ON THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, PRESUMABLY OWNER OPERATORS, I'M NOT SURE.

SO THE, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE TO THE EAST ARE ZONED THAT, THAT ABUTS THIS ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL SERVICES.

BUT, AND THEY'RE USED, THEY'RE USING COMMERCIAL SER, THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL SERVICES LAND USE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL.

IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THE AERIALS AGAIN.

I BELIEVE THESE, THE LOTS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT ABUTTING IT ARE PURELY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY'RE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LOTS THAT, WELL, THEY'RE PURELY RESIDENTIAL SOME DAYS PERHAPS.

YEAH, IT COULD BE WHEN, WHENEVER THE SATELLITE TAKES A PHOTO, I'M NOT QUITE SURE.

YEAH, YEAH.

SOME DAYS THEY'RE OUT WORKING AND YOU DON'T SEE TRUCKS.

UM, SOME DAYS THE TRUCKS ARE THERE.

UM, BUT THEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING WEST, IS THERE'RE NOT A GRAY, UH, UH, A, A MAJOR TRUCKING COMPANY THAT, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THAT TRUCKING COMPANY, IS THAT A YES? YES, I AM AWARE THAT THE, UH, YEAH, I BELIEVE WARNER TRUCKING IS THERE AND THERE CERTAINLY THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC.

TRAFFIC AND YOU COULD SAY COMMERCIAL VEHICLE SERVING USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

LANCASTER.

SO WERE YOU AWARE THAT WARNER TRUCKING IT, IT IS A MAJOR TRUCKING COMPANY, BUT WERE YOU AWARE THAT IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE? IT'S BEEN THERE FOR DECADES? UH, YEAH, GENERALLY, YEAH.

ONCE, YEAH, WHEN THE LOGISTICS CENTER OPENS UP, IT'S THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.

AND WERE YOU, AND DID YOU NOT NOTICE THAT FURTHER SOUTH IS ALSO ANOTHER FUELING STATION WITH THE SAME TYPE OF USE THAT THIS FUELING STATION IS REQUESTING? SO WERE YOU AWARE THAT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL FUELING COMMERCIAL VEHICLE FUELING AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING ALL ON THE SAME LOT? YES.

SO THIS USE IS A USE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY IN THIS, IN THIS AREA, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND IT IS THAT, OKAY, SO CAN I NOW ASK YOU, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF, IF THIS BODY DEEMS THIS TO BE APPROPRIATE? WELL, NO, LET ME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.

UM, THIS, THIS LAND, THIS, THIS USE IS ON LANCASTER.

, WERE YOU AWARE THAT LANCASTER IS A T UH, ROAD AND NOT A RESIDENTIAL USE ROAD? UH, I WASN'T AWARE OF THE, UH, OWNERSHIP OF IT, BUT YEAH, I'M AWARE IT'S A MAJOR, UH, ARTERIAL, YES, IT'S TXDOT.

SO IT'S A, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CALL WHAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CALL THOSE HIGHWAYS IN RESIDENTIAL OR WHAT, BUT TDOT IS THE, IS THE, THE ONE WHO DETERMINES THE USE IN THAT LAB.

SO WE HAVE TDOT, OH, UM, HOT THOROUGHFARE, WE HAVE WARNER TRUCKING, WE HAVE ANOTHER COM, ANOTHER USE, AND WE HAVE THIS ONE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

UM, SO, AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A SUP IN LIEU OF A, OF A PD.

CAN I ASK, UM, WOULD IT STILL BE APPROPRIATE IF THIS BODY CHOOSES TO NOT FOLLOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT TO, TO ACCEPT THE PD IN LIEU OF A SUP? WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN?

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HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION OF A SUP AND, UH, OPPOSED TO A PD.

CERTAINLY.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SUP, UH, THE WAY THAT WE ANALYZED IT IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT A PD, IT'S GENERALLY TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM OF DO ANY OF THESE, IT KIND OF TRIES TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

IF THERE'S NO ZONING DISTRICT THAT QUITE FITS THE REQUEST THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, IF THERE'S LIMITATIONS EITHER DUE TO SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OR DUE TO USE REQUIREMENTS, UH, A PD IS OFTEN A VERY USEFUL TOOL TO ENABLE THE DEVELOPMENT OF WHATEVER'S BEING PROPOSED.

UH, WHILE STILL I THINK MEETING SORT OF THE NEEDS AND THE GOALS OF THE CITY AND TRYING TO PROMOTE THE, AS WE OFTEN USE THE PUBLIC, THE GENERAL WELFARE, RIGHT? UH, WITH THE INITIAL REQUEST, ESPECIALLY, UH, WHEN THERE WAS JUST BASICALLY ASKING FOR THE TRUCK STOP, THAT'S WHERE WE THOUGHT THAT, OKAY, AN SEP CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE MORE SENSE HERE BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE ANALYZING IT THROUGH THE SAME LENS.

YOU'RE GRANTING THE SAME, UH, RIGHT IN THIS CASE, OPERATING A TRUCK STOP.

UH, AND SO AN SUP WOULD MAKE TO, TO STAFF AN SEP ABSOLUTELY MAKES MORE SENSE IF YOU'RE JUST REQUESTING A TRUCK STOP.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND RYAN, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT WE CAN IMPOSE STRICTER SETBACKS ON AN SEP.

SO THE SEP COULD INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE, UH, PROVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED OR PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT I THINK ARE INTENDED TO SORT OF AMELIORATE THAT ADJACENCY TO RESI TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO THE GREATER SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD ALSO BE ENTERED INTO THE SUP CONDITIONS SIMILAR TO A PD CONDITION.

UH, THE ONE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE SUP, IT COULD NOT LIMIT OTHER USES.

UH, THE MOST RECENT, UH, CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED IN THE PD, THEY DO REC, THEY DO PROPOSE, THEY PROPOSE LIMITING USES BY WAY OF JUST DELINEATING WHICH USES ARE ALLOWED, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE TRUCK STOP, UH, BY RIGHT.

AS OPPOSED TO BY FCP.

UH, IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE, UH, THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE FOOD STORE, AND THE MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION.

BUT IT WOULD, UH, LIMIT, PARDON ME, IT WOULD LIMIT OTHER CS USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED THERE.

UH, OUR ONLY CONCERN IS AGAIN, THE, THE USE OF THE PD HERE.

I THINK THAT THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT ARE BEING SORT OF GIVEN OR OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT, IT'S THESE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND THESE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, THOSE COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SUP AS WELL.

UH, AND THE SEP COULD BE FOR A VERY LONG TIME PERIOD, IT COULD HAVE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS OR IT COULD BE A PERMANENT SUP IF THE, UH, IF THE BODY DEEMS THAT APPROPRIATE.

SO BOTH OF THEM WOULD, BOTH OF THEM WOULD DO THE SAME.

THEY'RE BOTH DOING THE SAME JOB, CORRECT? MORE OR LESS, YES.

THE SUP, IT WOULDN'T LIMIT THOSE USES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT IF THIS SITE IS ONLY GOING TO BE OWNED AND OPERATED BY ONE ENTITY, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THIS TRUCK STOP BUSINESS, UM, THAT'S ALL THAT THEY WOULD DO, THEY WOULDN'T SUDDENLY PUT IN SOME OF THESE OTHER CS USES THAT WOULD CURRENTLY BE ALLOWED.

BUT OUR CODE DOES NOT HAVE, DOES NOT CURRENTLY YOU GETTING READY TO DO SOMETHING OUR CODE DOES NOT CURRENTLY.

UM, OUR CODE IS CUR CODE IS NOT CURRENTLY WRITTEN TO KIND OF DO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, UM, CAR UH, FUELING COM, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE FUELING AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING.

IT'S NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A SMOOTH CODE THAT WOULD GIVE THIS TYPE OF, OF APPLICATION.

BUFFERING FOR, UH, ENVIRONMENTALLY, UM, APPROPRIATE PROTECTION AGAINST THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

I MEAN, I THINK ALL THE USES THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE APPLICANT MAY WANT ON THIS SITE WITH THEIR PROPOSAL, UH, IT MAY NOT FIT UNDER ONE USE DEFINITION, BUT THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT USES WITHIN OUR EXISTING CODE THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT.

LIKE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING, UH, THE TRUCK STOP USE.

UM, THERE'S A FEW OTHERS THAT YOU CAN KIND OF PUT TOGETHER.

UM, BUT THEY WOULD ALL KIND OF ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.

AND THOSE WOULD ALL BE PERMITTED IN THE CS DISTRICT THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY.

BUT CS DIS, BUT WHAT THE PD IS DO ALSO DOING IS DOING, UH, BECAUSE FOR HOWEVER IT GOT THERE, THE RESIDENTIAL ON CS ZONING, THE THIS PARTICULAR PD IS OPER IS ASKING IN, UH, FOR A GREATER BUFFER THAN WHAT THE, THE WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN A GENERAL ZONING AS WELL AS, UM, DO ASKING IN THAT

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MEANING A HIGHER FENCING EIGHT, THE FENCING OPPOSED TO SIX FEET, UM, UH, NATIVE, UH, TREE NATIVE BUSHES THAT WOULD GO ALONG THAT, THAT, THAT LOT, THAT, THAT, UM, FENCE LINE AS WELL AS TREES THAT WOULD ALSO ADD TO THE BUFFERING OF THE USE AND THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

YEAH, BUT LIKE, AS MARTIN SAID, ALL OF THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED THROUGH THE, UH, SUP SITE PLAN FOR THE TRUCK STOP USE BECAUSE, UH, IN THE CS DISTRICT, THE TRUCK STOP USE IS ONLY PERMITTED BY SUP.

SO WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE A SITE PLAN INVOLVED WITH THE REQUEST BECAUSE OF THAT SUP REQUIREMENT AND ALL OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, YOU JUST MENTIONED, WHICH I THINK STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF IT DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE TO PROVIDE THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBILITY.

UM, ALL OF THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITH AN SUP.

UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST PREACH FOR A SECOND, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THESE SINGLE FAMILY USES ON, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL KIND OF HEAVY COMMERCIAL ZONING.

THAT'S THE HISTORY OF CUMULATIVE ZONING IN THE CITY.

UH HUH YEAH, AND IT'S, WELL, AND IT IS EXTREMELY PREVALENT IN DISTRICT EIGHT, IF I MAY SAY SO THAT YES, MA'AM, THAT IF YOU GO THROUGH MY WHOLE ENTIRE DISTRICT, YOU WILL SEE THIS.

AND THERE IS NO SMOOTH FIX, NO SMOOTH WAY TO GET A ZONING.

NO, NO.

SMOOTH WAY.

WELL, YOU, YOU STARTED THE PREACHING, SO I'M, I'M GOING TO BE IN THE AM CORNER, BUT AS MARTIN SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER IT'S A PD OR AN SUP, REALLY THE PURPOSE OF AN SUP IS SOMEONE WANTS TO DO A USE, UH, IN A DISTRICT THAT IN SOME WAY ALLOWS THAT USE, BUT NOT BY RIGHT.

IT'S PERMITTED BY SUP BECAUSE SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS NEED TO BE MADE TO PROVIDE A SMOOTH TRANSITION BETWEEN THE USE AND THE SURROUNDING USES.

SO, SO, UM, LET ME, LET ME THEN ASK THIS QUESTION.

IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AS TO WHETHER TO USE A SUP OR A PD IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CHANGE IN WHAT WE, WHAT WAS ASKED EARLIER.

IF WE ALL HAD SAT DOWN AND HAD A CONVERSATION PRIOR TO BEING AT THE HORSESHOE, WE COULD HAVE IRONED THIS OUT BEFORE GETTING TO THE HORSESHOE AND COMING UP WITH HOW DO WE MOVE, HOW DO WE COHESIVELY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR THING? BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO NOW IS TO EITHER HOLD IT, RE ADVERTISE IT FROM A PD TO A SUP WITH, WITH CONDITIONS.

NO, YOU DON'T BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN, YEAH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE.

WE'VE ALREADY NOTICED IT FOR ALL OF THAT.

BUT TO HOLD IT, REWRITE IT, RE-LOOK AT IT AND BRING IT BACK.

WELL, UH, STAYING ON THE SOLUTION, UM, WE MIGHT WANT TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT STILL NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT MAY JUST BE A FEW THINGS WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT WE COULD DO TODAY, UM, AND THEN ACCOMMODATE THAT WITH A MOTION THIS AFTERNOON.

SO I'M ALL FOR THAT.

UM, BUT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TO ALSO JOIN IN ON THAT APP, THAT, THAT CONVERSATION.

WILL THEY BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON? THIS IS, I'M PRETTY, THIS IS MASTER PLAN AND, HUH? YEAH.

AND THIS IS UNDER ADVISEMENT ALREADY, SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT TAKING IT OFF.

CONSENT.

I'M, I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THE APPLICANT WOULD BE HERE.

THIS, THIS IS NOT UNDER ADVISEMENT.

YEAH, THIS IS, UM, NUMBER 13.

, THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN HELD ONCE BEFORE FROM THE JUNE 16TH.

YEAH, NO, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF CONSENT.

IT'S NOT, OH, IT'S, IT'S NOT ON CONSENT, CORRECT.

YEAH, WE ALREADY TOOK IT.

WE ALREADY TOOK IT OFF CONSENT AND, AND KNOWING THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WITH WHOM WE WORK A LOT, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT HE DID INDICATE HE WOULD BE HERE TODAY.

OH, HE WILL BE HERE.

YES, I KNOW, I KNOW HE WILL BE HERE.

, , UH, YEAH, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK WE COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT RATHER QUICKLY.

UH, WE DID ALREADY PROVIDE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, UH, CONDITIONS.

BEEN IN THE REPORT BEEN, SO IT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY QUICK, I WON'T ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS.

I WILL, I WILL TALK.

WE'LL, WE, WE WILL TALK TOGETHER.

WE'RE NOT SURE, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT THE HOUSES WERE BUILT BEFORE IT WAS OWNED CS, UH, 'CAUSE THE HOUSES COULDN'T BE BUILT IN A CS DISTRICT, SO WHENEVER IT WAS MADE CS, YOU COULDN'T BUILD THOSE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE? JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS WAS ZONED CS, BUT THEN THE, THE HOUSES WERE BUILT AFTER IT WAS ZONED CS

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WELL, LET ME LET MAKE SURE YOU, YOU GUYS ALL UNDERSTAND IN DISTRICT EIGHT, THERE IS NO IDEAL WHAT CAME FIRST.

THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG.

THIS IS THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG .

SO YOU CAN SAY THE, THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, THE, DON'T KNOW.

NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UH, SHOWS, UH, RETENTION PONDS, UH, AROUND ONE, ONE AND A HALF SIDES OR SO, IS THAT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL? WOULD THAT BE NEXT TO THE RESIDE? YES, THAT WOULD BE, YOU'D HAVE THE, THE, YEAH, I CAN PULL IT UP AGAIN.

BUT THE, YES, THE PONDS WOULD BE ALONG THE, THE NORTHERN PERIMETER AND THIS EASTERN PERIMETER, AND THAT IS WHERE THERE'S, UH, THOSE RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES ADJACENT.

AND THEN WOULD THE, THE PRESENCE OF THAT RETENTION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A POND OR JUST A, UH, UH, LOW PART OF THE GROUND, BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR LANDSCAPING BUFFERS AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND I BELIEVE SO.

I THINK IT WOULD BE, THE BUFFERING WOULD BE KIND OF BETWEEN THE POND AND THE, AND THE PARKING, BUT IT, IT MIGHT ALSO ALLOW FOR BUFFERING.

UM, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION TO BRING UP THE ANSWER.

YEAH, WE COULD, UM, HE'S, HE'S, UH, REMOTE TODAY, BUT WE CAN GET WITH OUR ENGINEERING CONTACT DAVID NAVAREZ AND SEE, UM, WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS EXIST IF THAT'S WHERE THEY WANNA LOCATE A DETENTION POND.

YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT SOME SORT OF BUFFERING, WOULD THE POND INTERFERE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT AND THE NOISE? SURE.

I ASSUME THIS WOULD BE A 24 HOUR OPERATION, UH, PRESUMABLY WAIVE.

UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, UM, ON, UH, PAGE 1325 OF THE CASE REPORT.

IT INDICATES THAT 59 PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS, UH, REZONING, UH, CHANGE OR REQUEST.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF YOU RECEIVED RESPONSES BACK, UH, FROM, FROM THESE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS AND WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS AGAIN, COMMISSIONER FORTE.

GIMME ONE SECOND.

I CAN GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION.

I, I BELIEVE IT IS.

SO WE ALWAYS SEND OUT THE, UH, REPLY FORMS, UM, WITH THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES WE RECEIVE IN FAVOR, OPPOSITION, UH, TYPICALLY THE DAY BEFORE THE HEARING.

UM, I'M SURE WE ALL GOT A LOT OF EMAILS THIS WEEK WITH THE NUMBER OF ITEMS WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA.

UH, I DO HAVE THE NUMBERS ON MY LAPTOP.

I CAN GRAB 'EM PRETTY QUICK.

OH, WONDERFUL.

I'M, I'M STILL LOOKING, I'M SORRY.

THERE WERE, THERE WERE 59 NOTICES SENT OUT.

WE HAD FOUR POSITIVE AND ONE NEGATIVE 500 FOOT RADIUS.

DID, DID YOU GET THAT COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT? I, I DID FOUR POSITIVE, ONE NEGATIVE AND A 500 FOOT RADIUS OUT OF THE 59, UH, .

COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.

UM, QUESTION ON, UM, THE SIDE OF THE STREET OF THE PROPOSED SITE.

UM, ARE THERE ANY HEAVY, UM, TRUCK STOP ON THAT SIDE OF LANCASTER? UH, COMMISSIONER'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR.

UH, DID ANYONE HOLD WHAT MR. WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT ASKED, IT WAS ON THE SITE, THE, THE, THE SITE OF THE SIDE OF THE, THE LAND, THE OTHER REQUEST SITE.

WAS THERE ADDITIONAL TRUCK STOPS OR, UH, TRUCKING TYPE OF USES ALREADY IN EXISTENCE? DID I GET IT RIGHT ON RAIN COMMISSIONER? SO YES.

ON THE SIDE OF THE SITE THAT'S BEING PLANNED, I DON'T SEE A TRUCK STOP OR OF A TRUCK STOP ON THAT SIDE OF LANDCASTER OR I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU MADE THAT SAME, UM, OBSERVATION.

COULD YOU GO TO YOUR, UH, MAP WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES? YEAH.

SO KIND OF IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY ALONG LANCASTER ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF LANCASTER, UM, WE SEE HERE ON THE, ON THE MAP HERE, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, SORT OF THE, WHERE IT ZOOMED IN RIGHT NOW, UH, ON THAT SIDE THERE, THERE ISN'T A TRUCK STOP WITHIN, AGAIN, IT'S JUST THAT SNAPSHOT HERE, UH, TO THE WESTERN SIDE.

YES, THERE'S A MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION AND TRUCK, UH, STOP.

AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BLAIR INDICATED THERE IS FURTHER, UH, SOUTH, I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER TRUCK STOP FACILITY AS WELL.

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SO I THINK THE ANSWER WAS NO.

LOOKING AT THE MAP MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATIONS ON ONE SIDE OF LANCASTER AND ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE AREN'T ANY, YES, AT LEAST AT THIS SORT OF LEVEL OF, UH, OF MAP SCALE.

AND, AND I DON'T SHOW IF THIS IS PART OF YOUR STUDY, BUT DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AROUND THERE? THE TRAFFIC AT THAT VERY CORNER, IT'S VERY HEAVY AND HECTIC.

UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

UH, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT SO MUCH FROM THE, FROM THE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, BUT ENGINEERING, UH, THEY DID LEAVE SEVERAL, THEY HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT AND THEY HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL FROM, AGAIN, FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, UH, FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE AT THE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS ALONG CHERRY VALLEY BOULEVARD IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, TRUCK TRAFFIC FOR THIS TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD.

UM, YEAH, JUST LOOKING AT THAT, THAT AREA DALE HAS ALREADY BEEN KIND OF ENCOMPASSED WITH THE WAREHOUSE FROM THE LANCASTER SIDE, UH, IS, I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT ANOTHER TRUCK STOP ON THAT CORNER ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE THE EXISTING TRUCK STOPS ARE.

UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TALK THROUGH IT AS WE GO ALONG.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.

UH, COMMISSIONER'S CASE NUMBER 14 WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO AUGUST 8TH, WHICH TAKES US TO, UH, NUMBER 15.

THIS IS CASE NUMBER 15, UH, Z 2 34 DASH 1 42.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE USE OF AN ELECTRIC SUBQUESTION.

I THINK, I THINK YOU HAVE BRIEFED THIS ONE BEFORE WE YES.

SO IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US IF THERE'S ANY UPDATES.

WE'RE GOOD.

GOTCHA.

SO, UM, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A NEW SITE PLAN, AND I THINK I PUT ON RECORD A LITTLE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IT WAS HELD TO, THAT, UM, STAFF WAS IN, UM, SUPPORT OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, AS WELL AS THE CONDITIONS THAT, UH, MATCHED THE SITE PLAN STAFF IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE NEW SITE PLAN THAT WE RECEIVED.

AND THAT SITE PLAN IS THE, THE NEW SITE PLAN IS IN THE CASE REPORT AS WELL AS THE, YEAH.

DID YOU WANT ME TO RUN THROUGH THE, LIKE THE ORIGINAL? YEAH.

ALRIGHT, PLEASE.

SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, I THINK, UM, I THINK THE, SO THIS HAS BEEN HELD TWICE.

TWICE.

UM, AND AT THE LAST MEETING WAS WHEN WE RECEIVED THIS UPDATED SITE PLAN, UM, SHOWING THIS FULL, UH, PARCEL HERE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THERE HAVE BEEN ANY UPDATES TO IT SINCE THE LAST HEARING.

NO UPDATES SINCE THE LAST HEARING.

YEAH, SO I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE'RE GOOD QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER, PLEASE, COULD YOU RUN ME THROUGH THE, THE CHANGES BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL AND THE NEW ONE AND THE ISSUES YOU HAD WITH IT? YES.

SO THE ORIGINAL, UH, PROPOSED SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING ONLY, UM, DOING AN EXPANSION TO THE EXISTING SUBSTATION.

UM, AND IT WOULD NOT ENCROACH UPON THE EXISTING TRAILS AND WALKWAYS THAT ARE BEING USED BY, UM, RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, UH, AS WELL AS THE GREEN SPACE.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO WROTE THAT INTO THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE, UM, SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

SO NOW THE NEW SITE PLAN IS ACTUALLY ENCROACHING UPON THE TRAILS AND, UH, PATHWAYS, UM, IN THEIR PROPOSING TO DO A, A TRAIL HERE, UM, TO CONNECT TO THE, UM, THE EXISTING SUBSTATION.

SO THAT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT WE ORIGINALLY AGREED UPON IN TERMS OF THE, THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.

AND THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO THIS TRAIL IS AN EIGHT FOOT INCREASE TO MAKE IT, I BELIEVE, 20 FEET WIDE? THAT'S CORRECT.

THE ADDITION TO THE SITE, THE STRUCTURE THAT THERE WILL BE PROPOSED TO PUT IN THERE? YES.

UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THAT'S FOR THE UTILITY VEHICLES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO SERVICE THIS SUBSTATION? YES, I'M AWARE OF THAT.

HOWEVER, THEY DO ALREADY HAVE, UH, A WAY TO, FOR, FOR THE, THE UTILITY VEHICLES TO GET TO THE SITE AND SERVICE THE SITE WITHOUT PUTTING THIS MASSIVE, UM, UH, PATHWAY TO GET TO THE, THE SUBSTATION.

COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH

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SO AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL, UH, PROPOSAL WAS TO EXPAND THE, LET'S SEE IF I CAN IN, NOPE.

SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TO EXPAND THE, UM, EXPAND, UH, HORIZONTALLY.

UM, SO ON THE GROUND PLANE, UH, THE, UH, SUBSTATION ABOUT, I WANNA SAY IT WAS ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, AND THEN, AND AGAIN, THAT DIDN'T ENCROACH UPON THE EXISTING TRAILS OR PATHWAYS OR THE GREEN SPACE THAT WAS, THAT IS BEING USED AS, UM, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL RECREATION AND, UH, PASSIVE ACTIVITIES.

BUT NOW THE NEW PROPOSAL IS TO INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE, UM, THE PATHWAYS AND THEN PUT IN THIS, UM, THIS TRAIL HERE TO CONNECT TO THE SUBSTATION.

MM-HMM, AND SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE SUBSTATION, UH, IS IT MARKED HERE WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IN, I BELIEVE IT'S A SWITCH BOX.

COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT? THE ADDITIONS, LIKE THE NEW STRUCTURE THAT'S GOING INTO THE SUBSTATION? YEAH, SO THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED ME ANYTHING IN TERMS OF, YOU MENTIONED A SWITCH BOX.

YEAH, THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED ME ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THAT.

UM, EXCUSE ME.

AND I, I CAN'T REALLY ZOOM IN ON HERE.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY THE BEST, UM, GRAPHIC HERE.

BUT AGAIN, THEIR AREA OF REQUEST, UM, WAS ORIGINALLY, OR I'M SORRY, THE, THE PROPOSED AREA FOR THE EXPANSION WAS ORIGINALLY JUST IN, IN THIS SMALL SECTION WHERE THE ELECTRIC SUBSTATION IS EXISTING, BUT NOW THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO, UM, USE THE ENTIRE AREA OF REQUESTS TO, LIKE I SAID, PUT IN THIS, UM, THIS LARGER PATHWAY SYSTEM, WHICH WILL CUT OFF, UM, THE EXISTING TRAIL AND PATHWAY CUT, CUT OFF THE TRAIL.

SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S IMPOSING UPON THE EXISTING PATHWAYS AND TRAILS, UH, THAT ARE BEING USED AS, UM, RES THAT ARE BEING USED AS, UH, ACTIVE AND PASSIVE RECREATION FOR RESIDENTS AND OTHER FOLKS IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THIS, THIS PROPOSED SERVICE ACCESS ESSENTIALLY, I THINK IS AROUND A KILOMETER LONG ON THAT, ON THAT TRAIL.

UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT IT'LL STILL BE USED FOR A HIKE AND BIKE ACCESS THROUGHOUT THAT STAGE? YES, THAT IS WHAT AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, HAD MENTIONED.

UM, BUT BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW, UM, THEY HAVE TO DO CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? SO THEY WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY CUTTING OFF HALF OF WHAT IS ALREADY THERE FOR FOLKS TO USE AS, UM, PATHWAYS, BIKEWAYS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS WELL AS THE, UH, GREEN SPACE.

UH, QUESTION FOR THE CHAIR? YES, SIR.

UH, THERE WAS A GRAPHIC SUPPLI TO ME ABOUT AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXISTING SUBSTATION THAT IS MIMICS THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THIS ONE.

COULD I SHARE THAT WITH THE BODY NOW? YES, YOU COULD.

GEORGE, COULD YOU THROW THAT UP THERE? YES, THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT THIS TO KIND OF PROVIDE CLARITY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I NOTICED THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS SWITCH BOX IN THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO YOU.

UM, SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL SHOW YOU.

SO ON THE, THE BOTTOM IMAGE HERE, THIS IS, UH, THIS WILL BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT OF COURSE, BUT THIS IS THE EXACT MODEL THAT WILL BE PUSHED PUT INTO THE EXISTING SUBSTATION.

UH, I BELIEVE THE DIMENSIONS ARE, IT'S 12 FEET HIGH AND, UH, THE WIDTH, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER ON ME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A HEIGHT INCREASE ON THIS SITE.

CURRENTLY, THE STRUCTURES ARE, I BELIEVE THE HEIGHT OF THEM ARE 42 FEET HIGH.

THE ADDITION GOING IN WILL BE, I BELIEVE, SO IT'S 12 FEET HIGH GOING IN HERE.

SO IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT WILL BE GOING IN, THEN THERE WILL BE NO HEIGHT INCREASE, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THESE IMAGES.

I WANNA CLARIFY, THERE'S A STONE WALL GOING AROUND THIS ON THE, THIS WAS, UH, AMENDED TO THEIR SITE PLAN.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IN THIS STONE WALL.

UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORKED WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT AND, UH, THEY AGREED TO REMOVE THE STONE WALL IN ORDER TO KEEP THE TREES SURROUNDING THE SITE.

JUST A BIT OF CONTEXT.

WE WIDE, BUT TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR SERVICE VEHICLES, THERE'S A PROPOSED INCREASE OF EIGHT FEET, SO IT'LL BE 20 FEET IN TOTAL.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? YES, SIR.

COMMISSIONER HALL, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

MR. CLINTON, THEY HAVE TO, UH, IN, THEY HAVE TO HAVE VEHICLE ACCESS.

UH, AND I THINK YOU SAID, WAS IT EIGHT FEET WIDE OR 20 FEET? UH, 20 FEET.

SO, SO THE EXISTING TRAIL IS 12 FEET,

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UH, WOULD, WOULD COMMUNITY MEMBERS STILL BE ABLE TO WALK OR CYCLE THE LENGTH OF THE TRAIL ON THIS, THIS DR UH, THIS ACCESS ROAD OR WHATEVER? I MEAN, E ESSENTIALLY, YES, BUT AGAIN, TO GET THIS TRAIL APPROVED AND PUT IN THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CUT, CUT OUT BASICALLY HALF OF, OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEING USED FOR, UM, PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY ALREADY HAD ACCESS VIA, VIA WHAT OR HOW, SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY ACCESSED THE, UM, THE UTILITY AREA FROM THE BACKSIDE.

UM, THE PRESENTATION IS NOT UP, BUT BASICALLY THEY, THEY ACCESS IT FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S EDGE, EDGEMERE ROAD, SO THE BACKSIDE OF THE, UM, ELECTRIC SUBSTATION.

SO TECHNICALLY THEY ALREADY HAVE ACCESS.

THEY CAN, THEY CAN ALREADY ACCESS THE UTILITY AREA TO, UM, SERVICE IT.

I DON'T THINK THIS ADDITION IS NECESSARY.

IS, IS THAT EXISTING ACCESS IN THE FORM OF A ROAD, A 20 FOOT WIDE ROAD OR, UH, WHAT IS IT? IT'S, IT'S NOT A ROAD BY, UH, TYPICAL DEFINITION, BUT YES.

A A DRIVEWAY IT'S A DRIVE, YEAH.

A A DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? YES, COMMISSIONER, UH, TO, TO CLARIFY FOR YOU, COMMISSIONER HALL, THE SERVICE ROAD, THE REASON IT'S COMING FROM EDGEMERE CIRCLE, THE SWITCH BOX THAT'S GONNA GO IN, IT NEEDS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CLEARANCE AND IT NEEDS THOSE GATES TO BE PLACED IN.

AND, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THE BENEFIT OF THIS, UH, ADDITION TO THE SUBSTATION, BUT FOR NOW, THE, THE, THE REASON WHY THEY NEED ACCESS FROM THAT SIDE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING IN LARGE EQUIPMENT TO INSTALL THIS, UH, ADDITION TO THE SUBSTATION.

AND IT'S, PER MY KNOWLEDGE, THE THE ACCESS ON THE BACK IS, IS NOT SUFFICIENT, UH, TO THAT PURPOSE.

IS WHERE THEY WOULD WANT TO EXPAND SOME OF THE, THE VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USE MOVING ALONG WEST DAVIS, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST, THEN TO THE, SO THE SOUTHWEST, THE SOUTH, THE SOUTHWEST.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE WILL KEEP MOVING THEN.

UH, IT TAKES US TO OUR INDIVIDUAL CASES, BEGINNING WITH CASE NUMBER 16 AND D ONE BACK TO MR. BAIT.

THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 49.

IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 31, THE WEST DAVIS SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST DAVIS STREET, WEST OF GILPIN AVENUE, APPROXIMATELY 3.1 ACRES IN SIZE.

UH, HERE IT IS IN THE FAR WESTERN PORTION OF THE CITY NEAR COCKRELL HILL.

UH, THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE LOCATION AND THEN A ZONING MAP.

UH, SO, UH, WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON HERE IS ON THIS LOT, THERE'S A, TO THE WEST, THERE'S A VEHICLE DISPLAY, SALES AND SERVICE BUSINESS, AND THEN TO THE EAST, UH, CURRENTLY A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE WITH AN SUP.

UH, AROUND THE AREA IS A MIX OF, UH, VARIOUS USES.

YOU HAVE A MULTI SMALL MULTIFAMILY BUILDING DIRECTLY TO THE WEST, UH, MANUFACTURED HOUSING FURTHER WEST, UH, HOTEL TO THE EAST.

AND THEN, UH, TO THE SOUTH IS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ZONED TH THREE.

UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PD 6 31 MMU, WHICH IS MEDIUM MIXED USE TRACK TWO, UH, WITH AN SUP 2 4 5 2 FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, LIMITED TO A DANCE HALL, UH, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED, AS I SAID, WITH THIS NON-CONFORMING VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USE.

UH, AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED WITH THIS VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USE, WHICH IS NON-CONFORMING WITHIN PD 6 31.

UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING EXPANDING THEIR VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USE TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT.

IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE PD THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE.

THESE ARE SITE PHOTOS ON WEST DAVIS, ON THE VERY NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT LOOKING EAST, AND THEN TO THE NORTHEAST AWAY FROM THE LOT TO THE NORTH, NORTHWEST TO THE WEST, AND HERE THE SOUTHWEST.

NOW WE SEE THE LOT, UH, THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT PORTION AND THIS

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NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USE.

AND THEN SOUTH, FURTHER SOUTH.

AND THEN THAT, UH, BRICK BUILDING IS THAT MULTIFAMILY THAT I MENTIONED.

LOOKING WEST, NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, AND EAST.

UH, THIS IS THE, UH, PROPOSED SITE PLAN OR DEV PLAN THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THIS.

UM, IT DELINEATES BOTH THE EXISTING VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USE AS WELL AS A, THE PROPOSED EXPANSION TO THE NORTHEAST.

UH, WHICH CURRENTLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS, UM, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE 10 SPACES FOR, WELL, SIX SPACES ON THE LOT, AND THEN FOUR SHOWN INSIDE, UH, THE SHOWROOM, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL VEHICLE DISPLAY OF SALES AND SERVICE.

UH, THEY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RETAIN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT USE AS WELL.

UH, HERE IT IS ZOOMED IN, IN DETAIL, UH, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IT WOULD CREATE TRACK THREE WITHIN THE MEDIUM MIXED USE DISTRICT AND DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS TRACK THREE, AND IT WOULD ADD THE VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE USE AS AN ALLOWABLE USE WITHIN TRACK THREE AND REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN TRACK THREE.

NOW, STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THIS, UH, WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT, UH, LOOKING AT THE WEST DAVIS LAND USE STUDY, WHICH UH, WAS ADOPTED IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, UH, THEY DETERMINED THAT AUTO SALES AMONG OTHER USES WERE NOT DESIRED IN THE AREA.

AND THEY CALLED FOR WHAT ENDED UP BEING DESIGNATED IN THE PD AS MEDIUM MIXED USE IN SECTION FOUR, WHICH IS THE SECTION OF THE LAND USE STUDY WHERE THIS BUSINESS IS LOCATED, AND JUST MORE GENERALLY LOCAL SERVING RETAIL IN THE FULL, THE FULL STEADY AREA.

UH, ADDITIONALLY THE PROXIMITY TO MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY WAS A CONCERN TO STAFF.

UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL, UH, KIND OF JUST ADDS SOME COLOR TO THAT AS WELL.

UH, IN ADDITION TO CONFLICTING WITH THE SORT OF THE INTENTION OF THE WEST DAVIS LAND USE STUDY AND THE CREATION OF THIS SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, UH, THE PDS IN GENERAL, AS WE SORT OF ALLUDED TO EARLIER IN OTHER CASES IS THAT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, THEY ARE INTENDED TO, I, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT THEY'RE INTENDED TO SORT OF PUT INTO ACTION WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, IDENTIFIED OR PROMULGATED FROM A LAND USE STUDY.

AND IT GENERALLY WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICE TO START DOING CARVE OUTS IN PDS FOR SORT OF ONE SPECIFIC LAW OR ONE SPECIFIC BUSINESS.

UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT RUNS KIND OF COUNTER TO WHAT IS INTENDED FROM THE LAND USE STUDY.

AND, UH, WITH THAT THERE FOR QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER CHERNO, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO THE, THE ESSENCE OF THIS IS IN THIS EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE, CORRECT? THAT'S THE BASIS OF DENIAL.

IF THE APPLICANT WAS, GO AHEAD.

WELL, I WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THE BASIS OF DENIAL IS NOT THAT IT IS EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE, BUT RATHER, UH, I'LL PUT IT THIS WAY, IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NON-CONFORMING AND SO WE'RE SAYING NO, BUT RATHER IT IS THAT THE LAND USE STUDY THAT THAT IS, HAS BEEN ADOPTED AND APPLIES HERE.

IT DOES NOT CALL FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE.

IT GENERALLY IT IDENTIFIED AUTO SALES AS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT DESIRABLE.

UH, AND SO THIS REQUEST, IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY, THIS REQUEST IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THE LAND USE STUDY SAID WE DON'T WANT ANYMORE OF HERE.

UH, AND SO THAT'S, BUT I THINK ON THE, THE LESS SUNNY ZONING CODE SIDE, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN THE SUBDISTRICT AS WELL, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO IT IS, IT IS A NON-CONFORMING USE, BUT ALSO AS MARTIN SAID, NOT SUPPORTED BY THE AREA PLAN.

IF THE, BUT, BUT IF I MAY, REAL QUICK, COMMISSIONER CHERNOCK, OF COURSE, IF THIS BODY AND CPC WERE TO APPROVE IT, IT WOULD BECOME A CONFORMING USE.

UH, CREATING, UH, BESPOKE USES OR SPECIFIC, NOT SPECIFIC USES, BESPOKE USES, UH, FOR SORT OF ONE LOT OR ONE BUSINESS WITHIN A PD.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND UM, IF THE APPLICANT, UH, SO CHOSE, COULD THEY REMOVE THE SERVICE OF, OF THE THREE, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE SALES DISPLAY? YES, THE BODY CAN CREATE ITS OWN, UH, WHAT YOU COULD CALL, UH, BESPOKE, UH, USE DEFINITIONS.

UH, WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN THE PAST IN OTHER PDS WHERE A USE HAS BEEN, UH, DEFINED WITHIN THE DEFINITION SECTION OF PD AND THEN IDENTIFIED AS AN ALLOWABLE USE OR IT COULD BE A USE THAT REQUIRES AN SUP OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

UH, BUT THE BODY CERTAINLY IS ABLE TO, AND STAFF HAS ALSO BEEN ABLE TO IN THE PAST, UH, CREATE THOSE SORTS OF, UH, CUSTOMIZED USES.

UH, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH I THINK CITY ATTORNEY TO SORT OF SHORE THAT UP.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, FROM A BEST PRACTICES PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD CAUTION AGAINST,

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AND, AND COULD THERE ALSO BE A LIMITATION PUT ON NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE DISPLAYED? YES, WE COULD DO THAT.

UH, ANOTHER QUESTION.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO MODIFY TODAY WITHOUT HOLDING US OVER TO MODIFY THE UH, SITE PLAN, TO LIMIT THE REQUEST TO ONLY THE EASTERN PART OF THE PROPOSAL? I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE AREA OF REQUEST, OR NO? UH, NOT NECESSARILY.

UM, YEAH, YOU COULD MAKE IN YOUR MO ALL OF THIS YOU'D WANT TO GET HELP FROM DANIEL ON, UM, BUT UH, YOU COULD, UH, MAKE IT PART OF YOUR MOTION THAT, UM, THE PROPOSED SUBDISTRICT, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE LIMITED IN SCOPE TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.

UH, AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD NEED TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU COULDN'T SEE A, A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN TODAY.

UM, BUT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE BODY MAKES A MOTION TODAY TO RECOMMEND SOME KIND OF APPROVAL AND THIS GOES FORWARD TO COUNSEL, UH, BETWEEN TODAY AND THAT COUNCIL DATE, THE APPLICANT COULD REVISE THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT MOTION.

CAN YOU ALSO JUST CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE ESSENCE OF THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IS REALLY TO JUST HAVE APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 15 VEHICLE DISPLAY SPACES ON THAT, THAT, UH, EASTERN HALF OF THE LOT, CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S SHOWN, YES.

AND IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THE WESTERN PART, THAT USE THAT THEY HAVE THERE, WHICH IS THE VEHICLE DISPLAY AND AUTO IN SERVICE WOULD BE SEPARATE, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY GRANDFATHERED IN AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT USE AS THEY HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST, LET'S SAY 25 YEARS, 6, 26 YEARS, CORRECT? IT WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED JUST A, UH, A NON-CONFORMING USE UNDER CITY CODE WHERE, UH, SO LONG AS THEY DON'T EXPAND THE, BASICALLY IF, IF THEY DON'T EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OR THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS, THEN IT CAN SORT OF OPERATE IN PERPETUITY UNTIL, OR UNLESS THE CITY WERE TO MOVE TOWARDS, UH, AMORTIZING IT.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPLICATIONS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOT? WE WOULD, LET'S JUST SAY, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WAS, UM, WILLING TO PULL OUT THE SERVICE COMPONENT, JUST HAVE VEHICLE DISPLAY AND SALES AND IT WAS LIMITED TO LET'S SAY, UH, 20 SPACES, UM, IF THEY WERE TO SELL THIS, OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT OWNER OF THAT LOT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THOSE SAME, UH, YES, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE SAME CONDITIONS, SAME CONDITIONS RUN WITH THE LAND RATHER THAN THE OWNERSHIP.

AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY SUITE 2 35 AND THE SIZE OF THE SUITE IS 2,510 SQUARE FEET.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

UH, CASE NUMBER 17 HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 8TH.

WE'LL BRIEF IT THEN TAKES US TO NUMBER 18.

UH, I SEE, ACTUALLY I DON'T SEE COMMISSIONER HERBERT EZ, COMMISSIONER HERBERT THERE.

THIS IS Z 2 3 4 1 7 9.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE.

UM, IT'S ON PROPERTY ZONE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL.

THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE USE ON THE PROPERTY.

YOU WILL SEE THE OUTLINE AND THE BLUE IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE ENTIRE PLAZA IS.

AND THIS IS SUITE 2 35.

SO IT'S ONLY FOR ONE SUITE SURROUNDING THE SINGLE FAMILY RESTAURANT AND RETAIL.

IT IS A AUTO SERVICE CENTER VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES OR SERVICE.

THE AREA REQUEST IS LOCATED IN REDBIRD HIGHLAND PLAZA

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THE PROPOSED BUSINESS WILL OPERATE FROM 8:00 AM TO 12:00 AM THE NEXT DAY, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.

AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT EXPIRES IN FIVE YEARS, BUT BE ELIGIBLE FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL OF FIVE YEARS.

AND THE AREA REQUEST IS ONLY ACCESSIBLE ON WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD.

THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE SITE, AGAIN, IT'S JUST THIS ONE PARTICULAR SUITE, WHICH IS SUITE 2 35.

THIS IS A SURROUNDING USES AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

AND WHERE IT IS SHADED IS SUITE 2 35 AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEAH, SO, UM, DIANA, CAN YOU GIVE ME, UM, JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, I KNOW THE MAP SHOW THE ENTIRE SPACE.

I KNOW WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY, BUT UM, YOU ARE SAYING ONLY THE 2100 SQUARE FOOT OF SUITE 2 35 WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF THIS CASE, RIGHT? YES, ONLY SUITE, UH, 2 35.

AND ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS 2,510 SQUARE FEET.

SO JUST THAT ONE SUITE.

NEXT QUESTION, UM, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME BACKGROUND, UM, ON THIS USE BEING A NEW USE IN THIS AREA OR THIS SPECIFIC SITE ON WHY WE WENT WITH FIVE YEAR VERSUS A TWO YEAR? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FOR ME? CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU WENT WITH A FIVE YEAR VERSUS SOMETHING LESSER LIKE A TWO YEAR BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW USE? WELL, I WENT WITH A FIVE YEAR, 'CAUSE BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT TOLD ME, HOW SHE'S GONNA BE USING A PROPERTY, IT'S JUST GONNA BE FOR BABY SHOWERS, BRIGHTER SHOWERS, AND VERY SMALL EVENTS.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE THE APPLICANT ENOUGH TIME TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING AND GET HER PERMITS IN ORDER.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST RECOMMENDING FIVE YEARS WITHOUT ANY AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.

UM, I'LL CONTACT YOU OFFLINE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, PER HER SUGGESTION ON SOMETHING LESSER ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES HAPPENING AND I DON'T WANT HER TO BE CAUGHT UP ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND, AND NOT BE PREPARED FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

SO, UM, BUT YEAH.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MA'AM.

UM, ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED TO YOU CERTAIN TYPES OF USES THAT SHE'S ENVISIONING THAT WOULD NOT BE, UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE BINDING ON THE, ON THE SIDE OR THE APP, IF, IF THEY'RE GIVEN AN SUP FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, IT COULD BE ANY USE THAT'S ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

SO IF SHE LOST HER LEASE OR THE BUSINESS WASN'T SUCCESSFUL, SOMEONE ELSE COULD ASSUME BECAUSE THE SUP GOES WITH THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD NOT GO WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT? YES, MA'AM.

AND, UH, NORMALLY WHEN WE HAVE A SUITE AND A A A STRIP SHOPPING CENTER, UM, FOR AN SUP, DON'T WE USUALLY INCLUDE A CONDITION, UM, IN THE, IN THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS SAYING WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMITATION IS? SO IN THIS CASE, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO A CONDITION THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIMITED TO 2,510 SQUARE FEET? YEAH, WE, WE COULD HAVE A, A CONDITION THAT SAYS, UH, WHAT THE MAX FLOOR AREA IS LIMITED TO THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE SITE PLANS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT WOULD SEEM LIKE IT WOULD ADD SOME CLARITY TO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU CAUGHT ALL THAT, BUT I I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE MENTIONED SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOURSELF YESTERDAY.

SO THAT, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY SATISFY, UM, THAT, THAT SECTION OF MY QUESTION.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 0.41 ACRES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 19.

BACK TO THE 11.

ITEM NUMBER 10 IS KZ 2 3 4 180 2.

THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A HANDICAPPED GROUP, DUAL UNIT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF NOLL VIEW DRIVE NORTH OF BELTLINE ROAD.

UH, THIS IS A LOCATION MAP.

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THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE, A ZONING MAP SURROUNDING AREAS ALL AROUND IS AN R 10 A, UM, IN ALL DIRECTIONS.

AND THE USES ARE SINGLE FAMILY.

THE AREA QUIZ IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING 3,151 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE AS A HANDICAPPED GROUP DWELLING UNIT.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO OCCUPY THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT WITH A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT RESIDENCE.

CHAPTER 51 A DEFINES A HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING UNIT AS A SINGLE DWELLING UNIT THAT IS THE DOMINANT SEAL OF NOT MORE THAN EIGHT HANDICAPPED PERSONS WHO ARE NOT A FAMILY AS THAT TERM DEFINED IN THIS CHAPTER AND WHO ARE LIVING TOGETHER AS A SINGLE HOUSEKEEPING UNIT.

UH, PER CHAPTER 51 A, A HANDICAPPED GROUP ONLY UNIT IS PERMITTED BY RIDE IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WHEN LOCATED AT LEAST A THOUSAND FEET FROM THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES AND ALL OTHER LICENSED, HANDICAPPED GROUP ONLY UNITS.

OTHERWISE, IT REQUIRES AN SUP.

THERE IS AN EXISTING HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING UNIT, UH, WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THE REQUEST AREA AT THE SOUTHWEST OF TOP HILL CIRCLE OH AND WEST OF HILLCREST.

UH, THEREFORE THAT'S WHY THE ICP IS REQUIRED FOR THIS APPLICANT.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS OF THE SITE ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHWEST ON SIDE, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING NORTHWEST SURROUNDING USES, UH, ON ONSITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST AND THIS IS A S PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

UH, THEY DID MENTION, UM, NO, UM, CONSTRUCTION IS, IS, UH, WILL BE DONE.

IT'LL BE MAINTAINED AS IS AND SITE CONDITION IS APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND STATUS RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? CARPENTER, DO YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS TO THE OTHER USE? THAT'S, I KNOW IT'S WITHIN A THOUSAND SQUARE, I MEAN A THOUSAND FEET, BUT DO YOU HAVE JUST A BALLPARK IDEA OF HOW CLOSE IT IS? I DON'T KNOW THE BALLPARK, BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT'S ABOUT, IT'S AT THE LINE, THE, THE LINE OF THE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

SO IT'S CLOSER TO THE THOUSAND THAN IT IS TO THAT? YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. HALL WILL, WILL THESE, UH, MAXIMUM OF EIGHT RESIDENTS, UH, WHAT'S THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR A SITUATION LIKE THIS? WILL, WILL, THEY REQUIRE PARKING.

SO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A HANDICAPPED GROUP BUILDING UNIT, UM, WITHIN AN R 10 A IS TO, UH, TWO PARKING SPACES, WHICH, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE HIM IN THE, THE DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK OF THE ALLEY.

JUST, JUST TWO, JUST TWO IS A REQUIREMENT PER, PER CODE, I GUESS.

I GUESS WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT LATER ABOUT MORE, MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

OH, YES.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH.

UM, ON, UH, PAGE 19, UH, 15 OF THE CASE REPORT, IT INDICATES THAT 24 PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED.

COULD YOU, UH, TELL ME WHAT THE, UH, UH, RETURNS HAVE BEEN ON THIS, UH, IN FAVOR AND AGAINST THIS, UH, SUP COMMISSIONER HALL? MIGHT GET TO IT FIRST.

OH, DO YOU HAVE ? IF THERE'S A PLACE WHERE I SHOULD BE GOING TO FIND THIS, IT WAS ONE, FOUR AND FIVE AGAINST.

THERE WAS A 24 SENT OUT AND A 200 FOOT RADIUS.

ONE IN FAVOR? FIVE OPPOSED.

TAKE CARE.

OKAY, .

WELL, HOW ELSE DO YOU DO EVALUATE THESE THINGS? , ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS? WHERE DO YOU FIND THIS? UH, CAN I ASK WHERE, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL FINDS THIS INFORMATION SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO BE ASKING QUESTIONS IF THE INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE TO ME? I BELIEVE IT WAS SENT BY MS. LOPEZ YESTERDAY, SO IF YOU SEARCH FOR LILIANA LOPEZ IN YOUR EMAIL, IT'S IT'S GONNA BE ONE COMING FROM HER.

SOMETIMES IT'S MS. PINA, IT WENT OUT AT 3 21 YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, IF THAT HELPS.

FROM MS. LOPEZ? YEAH.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH.

THE TITLE OF THAT EMAIL IS USUALLY SOMETHING LIKE ZONING REPLY PACKET.

UM, THEY'RE ALWAYS SENT OUT THE DAY BEFORE THE HEARING.

THRILLED BECAUSE I ACTUALLY GOT TO LOOK AT EVERY PAGE BEFORE I GOT DOWN HERE TODAY.

UM, NOT A QUESTION, BUT A COMPLIMENT.

UM, THAT WAS AS EARLY AS I RECALL GETTING THAT IN THE PAST, AND I WAS

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SO, UH, I WOULD, IT WOULD BE HUGELY HELPFUL TO GET THAT AT THAT TIME EVERY SESSION.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 5.395 ACRES.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHO REMEMBERS THE, THE GOOD OLD DAYS BACK WHEN WE WOULD GET THEM HARD COPY AT THE BRIEFING WHEN WE WE'D WALK IN.

SO YEAH, BIG IMPROVEMENT OVERALL, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GETTING THAT OUT PROMPTLY.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

UM, NUMBER 20.

ITEM NUMBER 20 IS KZ 2 3 4 1 8 4.

THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, NOT SUBDISTRICT, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY, UH, DISTRICT USES.

AND, UH, NUMBER TWO, TERMINATION OF DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 7 6 7 200 ON PROPERTY ZONE IN NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT AND R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH C**K HILL ROAD AND BLUE RIDGE BOULEVARD.

THIS IS A LOCATION MAP.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SURROUNDING AREAS AROUND THE SITE TOWARDS THE NORTH AND THE TOWARDS THE NORTH AND THE EAST.

IT'S AN R 10, A DISTRICT TOWARDS THE SOUTH AND WEST IS AN R 7.5 A DISTRICT.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE NORTHWEST IS PD, UH, SEVEN, UH, 772, UM, ALL AROUND, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH.

AND UH, WEST IS SINGLE FAMILY TOWARDS THE EAST.

ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY IS A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL, AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY AND A PARK.

THE SIDE, UM, DOES HAVE A STRUCTURE.

AS MENTIONED, THE AREA REQUEST IS DIVIDED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE.

THE NORTH PORTION OF THE REQUEST AREA DOES HAVE, UH, G RESTRICTIONS AS I MENTIONED, 700, UH, Z 7 67, UH, 200, WHICH PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL USES INCLUDING APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO TERMINATE THE RESTRICTIONS TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH A RESIDENTIAL USE.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PD FOR MF TWO.

A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT USES TO ALLOW A 124 STORY RETIREMENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT TO ENSURE DEVELOPMENT IS LIMITED TO A RETIREMENT HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PROHIBIT THE MULTIFAMILY LINE USE AND PD, UH, CONDITIONS PROPOSED.

THE REQUEST FOR PD IS TO ALLOW MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO THE LOT SIZE DENSITY, HIDE AND DESIGN STANDARDS.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING DEVIATIONS PERTAINING TO THE LOCATION OF PARKING, OFF STREET LOADING, ANY PER PER, UH, PERIMETER BUFFER ZONE.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS ON SIDE LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTH, AGAIN, LOOKING SOUTH AGAIN, AND THEN LOOKING EAST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

AND THEN SURROUNDING USES ON SITE LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHEAST, UH, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING EAST AND LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

AND THEN THE EXISTING RESTRICTIONS, UH, THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE TERMINATED, AS I MENTIONED IS RESIDENTIAL USES INCLUDE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ARE EXCLUDED AND PROHIBITED.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY'RE, UH, PLANNING TO TERMINATE.

AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, THE EXISTING NOA, THE R 10 A.

AND THEN, UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING THE PD TO HAVE, UM, BE BASED ON MF TWO A, HOWEVER, WITH, UM, EDITS, AND THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AND I ENLARGED IT.

AND THEN, UM, OH,

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FORGOT TO INCLUDE, OH, RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STATUS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, THE REPORT SAYS THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT IS NOT WILLING TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS AND AMENITIES ALONG COCKRELL HILL ROAD, UM, BECAUSE OF A PROPOSED DETENTION POND, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, LAND HERE.

DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS TO WHY IT WOULD BE THERE'S COMPELLING REASON OR WHY JUSTIFICATION IS TO, TO NOT PROVIDE ANY OF THOSE AMENITIES ON THAT FRONTAGE? UH, SO THEY DID MENTION THE SIDEWALK ALONG RAE HILL IS ALSO THE ALIGNMENT, UH, OF GOING THAT RAE HILL IS GOING SOUTH.

UM, AND THEN AS THOUGH THEY, FOR THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, THEY SAY, UH, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING TO INCLUDE IT BECAUSE THE SITE ITSELF, THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, HAVE IT GATED.

SO THEY'LL INCLUDE THE AMENITIES INSIDE, UM, BUT IT'LL BE GATED AND THEY DON'T THINK, UH, PROVIDING THOSE AMENITIES OUTSIDE.

UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION THEN OF, UH, OF ENHANCING THE, THE AMENITIES INSIDE THE GATE? YOU KNOW, DETENTION PONDS DON'T USUALLY TAKE THAT MUCH AREA.

I MEAN, IS THERE ANY, I MEAN THEY DO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, DOG PARK, THAT SORT OF THING, YOU KNOW, CLUSTERED IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA, BUT, UM, WAS THERE ANY ATTEMPT MADE OR ANY DISCUSSION OF, OF PROVIDING SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE AMENITIES ON THAT WESTERN FRONT? UH, NO.

I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? YES.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UH, THE DISCUSSION OF RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, I UNDERSTOOD THE REQUEST TO, YOU KNOW, NOT APPLY RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE TO THE EAST BECAUSE OF THE, UH, NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE.

THAT THERE'S A SCHOOL AND THERE'S A DRIVEWAY AND A ANOTHER LITTLE PARCEL.

BUT WHAT WAS STAFF'S, UM, THOUGHT BEHIND ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE NOT TO BE TRIGGERED BY THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH EVEN? I MEAN, I, I'M SORRY, TO THE NORTH, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DEVELOPED AT THIS TIME, IT IS OUR ZONING, SO OF THE OPPOSITE SIDE FROM BLUE RIDGE.

I'M SORRY, BECAUSE, UM, TOWARDS THE SOUTH IT WOULD BE THE SAME.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCATED 180 FEET, UM, FROM, FROM THE SOUTH PROPERTY AS WELL.

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE REASON, JUST THE, THE YES, THE INCONVENIENCE TO, OR THE INABILITY TO CONSTRUCT THIS PROJECT IF RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE WAS TRIGGERED FROM THE, FROM THAT SIGN.

MM-HMM, .

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO THE LAST CASE NUMBER 21.

ITEM NUMBER 21 IS KZ 2 3 4 180 8.

THE REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE ON PROPERTY ZONES OF AREA FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE 16, THE JEFFERSON AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SUNSET AVENUE BETWEEN SOUTH MADISON AVENUE AND SOUTH Z BOULEVARD.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY POINT 15 ACRES.

THIS IS A LOCATION MAP.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE, A SURROUNDING USES, UM, SURROUNDING AREA DISTRICTS ARE AROUND.

THE SIDE IS TO THE NORTHEAST AND, AND WEST IS SUB AREA FOUR WITHIN PD THREE 16.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS SUB AREA ONE WITHIN PD THREE 16 SURROUNDING USES, UM, TOWARDS THE NORTH IS MEDICAL CLINIC OR OR AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER GENERAL.

GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND VACANT SUITES TOWARDS THE WEST IS A DRY CLEANING OR LAUNDRY STORE, UH, WITH A PARKING LOT TOWARDS THE, THE, THE WEST IS A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN SERVICE,

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UH, WITH A PARKING LOT.

AND THEN TOWARDS THE SOUTH IS AN OFFICE BUILDING, GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE, UH, LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET, VACANT SUITES AND THE THEATER.

THE REQUEST IS CURRENTLY DEALING WITH A ONE STORY 4,020 SQUARE FOOT VACANT BUILDING CONSTRUCTED IN 1961.

ACCORDING TO THE DALLAS, UH, CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THE BUILDING WAS LAST OCCUPIED BY A FURNITURE FURNITURE STORE USED IN 2010.

ACCORDING TO A CITY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOR AN EVENT CENTER.

THEREFORE, THEY ARE REQUESTING AN SUP FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE USE.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITE PHOTOS ON ONSITE LOOKING SOUTH, ON SIDE, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHEAST, LOOKING NORTHEAST SURROUNDING USES ON SIDE, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING SOUTHWEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

THIS IS A PROPOSED, UH, SITE PLAN.

A SA RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO, TO A SITE PLAN AND STATUS, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HALL, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT DO YOU KNOW? UH, THEY SAID EVENT CENTER.

EVENT CENTER, YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HARBERT, PLEASE? YEAH, JUST JULIANNA, JUST TRYING TO, UM, UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY'D YOU GO WITH THE TWO YEAR VERSUS ANYTHING LONGER? BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS A NEW USE AND I BELIEVE, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT TO THAT BELIEVE THAT IT WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR OPERATION OF THE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE USE, WHICH CAN BE REEVALUATED THE FOLLOWING, UM, INITIAL PERIOD.

COMMISSIONERS, THAT CONCLUDES OUR CASES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GARZA.

WE WILL, UH, DISCUSS THE OTHER ONES IN THE END AND THE TIME THAT WE HEAR THEM.

IT'S 1211.

AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION FOR TODAY.

COMMISSIONERS, HAVE A GOOD LUNCH.

WE'LL SEE YOU BACK AT 1230.

OKAY, GEORGE, ARE WE RECORDING? WE ARE RECORDING.

MS. LOPEZ, CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF AT THE ROLL CALL? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

DISTRICT ONE HERE, DISTRICT TWO, DISTRICT THREE.

I'M PRESENT.

HE'S ONLINE.

DISTRICT FOUR, PRESENT DISTRICT FIVE.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT SIX.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT? I'M HERE.

DISTRICT 12, DISTRICT 13 HERE.

DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15.

I'M HERE.

YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. LOPEZ.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 11TH, 2024 AT 1248.

WELCOME TO THE HEARING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE HEAD RIGHT INTO THE, THE AGENDA.

WE DO HAVE COPIES OF THE AGENDA HERE AT THE TABLE TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PICK UP A COPY ALSO, THERE'S THOSE LITTLE YELLOW SHEETS THERE.

UH, THAT IF YOU PLEASE AT SOME POINT TODAY, COME DOWN AND PICK ONE OF THOSE UP AND FILL IT OUT.

SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.

YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT THERE ON THE TABLE.

UH, SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, UH, PER ALL RULES.

IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.

OUR RULES ALSO ALLOW US THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADJUST, UH, THE TIME PER CASE.

SOME CASES WE MAY GO WITH THREE MINUTES, SOME CASES WITH LESS.

MS. LOPEZ WILL KEEP TIME AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.

I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

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FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING WHERE WE'LL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.

UH, FOR OUR SPEAKERS THAT ARE, UH, INTENDING TO JOIN US ONLINE, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

UH, AND LASTLY, UM, WE DO HAVE THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE.

AND THERE I HAVE RECEIVED LOTS AND LOTS OF EMAILS ABOUT, UH, ITS PLACE ON THE AGENDA.

I WANNA ASSURE YOU THAT THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED AND WE ARE FOLLOWING THE AGENDA JUST AS IT WAS PUBLISHED.

IT HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED IN ANY WAY.

UH, IF YOU HEARD THAT IT WAS THEN, UH, YOU HAVE BEEN, UH, A VICTIM OF MISINFORMATION.

UH, WHAT WE HAVE DONE THOUGH IS, UH, I DID GET MULTIPLE REQUESTS TO KEEP THE ITEM AT THE END OF THE HEARING, WHICH WE, UH, HAVE DONE AND ALSO, UH, HAVE COMMITTED TO NOT BEGIN THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE TILL AFTER 3:00 PM TO GIVE US FOLKS TIME TO COME DOWN HERE AND BE HEARD IF THEY WISH TO DO SO.

AND

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH THE, UH, AGENDA COMMISSIONERS, THE, THE MINUTES.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TABLE THAT FOR THE MOMENT.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA TAKE THEM UP AT OUR NEXT HEARING.

MR. MOORE, DO WE NEED A, A MOTION TO HOLD THOSE? THAT WOULD BE BEST, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE MINUTES FOR THIS CURRENT MEETING.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO HOLD THE MINUTES TO OUR AUGUST 8TH MEETING, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MS. GARZA.

UH, VICE CHAIR RUBEN FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER BLA FOR YOUR SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION

[Zoning Cases - Consent]

PASSES.

WE'LL NOW HEAD TO OUR ZONING CASES.

THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM CONSISTS OF CASES THREE THROUGH 10 CASES 3, 4, 5, 9 HAVE AND TEN EIGHT, EIGHT, NINE, AND 10 HAVE ALL COME OFF THE CONSENT THAT WILL BE HEARD DIS HEARD, UH, INDIVIDUALLY, AND THAT LEAVES ONLY CASES SIX AND SEVEN THAT WE BE, WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASES NUMBER SIX OR NUMBER SEVEN.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASE Z 2 34, 1 59, OR Z 2 34, 1 71, BOTH ON PAGE TWO AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE TWO.

IF NOT, THEN ONE MOTION WILL, WILL TAKE CARE OF THE BOTH OF THOSE CASES.

OKAY? LET'S, UH, LET'S GET THOSE TWO RIGHT INTO THE RECORD.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR.

I, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT.

YEAH, SHE'S GONNA READ THEM AROUND REAL QUICK.

ITEM NUMBER SIX IS AN APPLICATION FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX IS KZ 2 3 4 1 59, AN APPLICATION FOR AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 5 32 ON THE WEST LINE OF SOUTHWESTERN MOORELAND ROAD BETWEEN SHELTON AVENUE AND WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS KZ 2 3 4 1 71.

AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AND RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SAMUEL BOULEVARD EAST.

UH, WINFIELD STREET CYBER CONDITION IS APPROVAL.

UH, AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THOSE TWO CASES? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER TURNER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN, SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

UH, MR. CLINTON, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE ONE QUICK MOVING

[4. 24-2118 An application for a CR Community Retail District on property zoned an R-10(A) Single Family District, on the northwest line of South Belt Line Road, southwest of Seagoville Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Kanti Suresh Shetty Representative: Henry Nguyen Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 8 Z234-141(LC)]

PART.

UH, LET'S TABLE NUMBER THREE FOR JUST A MOMENT AND LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER FOUR, THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THREE AND GO IN ORDER.

LET'S GET NUMBER FOUR.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE Z, 2 34 DASH 1 41.

AN APPLICATION FOR A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH BELT BELT LINE ROAD, SOUTHWEST OF S SEVILLE ROAD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? YES,

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MA'AM.

HERE AT THE PODIUM THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE AT THE BASE OF THE MICROPHONE THAT YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PRESS THERE.

ONCE AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND, UH, THIS OPPORTUNITY.

UM, THIS PROPOSED PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE, UM, REZONED AND, UH, THE APPROVAL FOR, JUST GONNA ADJUST THE TABLE FOR YOU.

PARDON ME? IT'S A LITTLE MAGIC BUTTON OVER THERE.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN AND ALL OF Y'ALL CAN SEE ME NOW.

GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

UH, WE'VE BEEN IN DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, FOR ABOUT 10, UH, FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW, AND WE'VE SEEN THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE DISTRICT SO FAR.

THIS HAS INSPIRED US TO PURCHASE THE, UH, PROPERTY WHICH IS ATTACHED TO OUR CURRENT PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE PROPOSED FOR REZONING THAT PROPERTY FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT OF TIME IS FOR A COMMERCIAL RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS ABOUT 18,000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, THE ZONING REQUIREMENT IS FOR 2.3 ACRES.

ANY QUESTIONS? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? SORRY? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? YES.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE.

JUST STAND BY THAT THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

IS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

HI, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? MACHETE BLESSED.

UM, AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UH, UH, I KNOW THAT IN FRONT IS A FUELING STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER AREA THAT YOU WERE, YOU WERE, UM, CHANGING THE ZONING FOR YOU DO NOT PLAN TO DO A LIQUOR STORE NOR A GAS STATION, CORRECT? YES.

SO ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU VOLUNTEERED, WE DID NOT EXCLUDE THOSE TWO ITEMS. WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO EXCLUDING THOSE TWO ITEMS ON YOUR SECTION OF THE, OF THE, UM, PROPERTY? YES.

UM, YOU AND I, BUT WE DISCUSSED, WE HAVE, UH, GONE THROUGH THOSE DETAILS AND, UH, I HAVE VOLUNTEERED NOT TO GO FOR THOSE, UH, PARTICULAR USES OR BUSINESSES.

WE'RE GOOD.

THE ADJUSTMENT IS ON THE RECORD.

COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UH, FIRST DID WE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? DID, DID, NO.

CAN YOU PLEASE STATE WE, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

SORRY, I WAS A BIT, UH, NERVOUS.

, I MUST ADMIT, MY NAME IS CONTI S SHETI.

UH, THE ADDRESS OF THE, UH, PROPOSED PROPERTY TO BE REZONED IS 10 25 SOUTH BELTLINE ROAD.

UH, DALLAS, 7 5 2 5 3.

AND I BELIEVE WE, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL WITH, UH, SOME RENDERINGS OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.

DID YOU SEND, YOU SENT THE THAT? YES, I DID.

IT, IT IS TRUE THAT AS SOON AS YOU TURN THIS LITTLE LIGHT ON THE AIR GETS THINNER, SO IT, IT HAPPENS TO US AS WELL.

SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

C NONE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 41.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS, UH, REQUEST WITH THE, UM, ADDITION OF THE, UM, THE CHANGES TO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.

I WILL SECOND IT.

ANY DISCUSSION, SENIOR? NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION

[3. 24-2117 An application for a GR General Retail Subdistrict on property zoned a P Parking Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, on the southeast line of Lucas Drive, between Maple Avenue and Brown Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Monick Gandhi, Dazzling Homes Corporation Representative: Jokabet Anaya Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 2 Z223-338(LC)]

CARRIES.

SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF LUCAS DRIVE BETWEEN MAPLE AVE AND BROWN STREET STAFF'S.

LET'S GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER THREE AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND IS STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER AND HAS DONE SO.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 38.

AN APPLICATION FOR A GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, AP PARKING

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RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT SAYS ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE FIRST PAGE.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 3 3 8.

I MOVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL AUGUST THE EIGHTH IN DIRECT STAFF TO RE-NOTICE FOR CONSIDERATION.

I'M AN MF TWO SUBDISTRICT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 8TH, KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION

[5. 24-2119 An application for an MU-1 Mixed Use District on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the northwest corner of Elam Road and North Prairie Creek Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Kent Carter [Sole Owner] Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Giahanna Bridges Council District: 5 Z234-147(GB)]

PASSES.

GO TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN MU MIXED ONE DIS YOUTH DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R SEVEN FIVE, SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ELAM ROAD AND NO PRAIRIE CREEK ROAD STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM FIVE C 2 3 4 1 47? MR. BALDWIN, I CAME DOWN JUST SO I COULD DO THAT.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.

ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS.

UM, I'M ASKING THIS CASE BE HELD FOR, UH, 30 DAYS OR UNTIL THE EIGHTH.

UH, EIGHT EIGHT.

SO I HAVE TIME TO HOST THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.

UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANKS.

ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS SIR.

MR. BALDWIN? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION CHAIR, SIR? I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34.

1 47, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 8TH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION, UH, CHAIR.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY.

THE MOTION CARRIES.

[8. 24-2122 An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse Subdistrict on property zoned an R-5(A) Single Family Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 595, the South Dallas/Fair Park Special Purpose District, on the northwest side of Herrling Street, between South 2nd Avenue and Cross Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant. Applicant: Anish Thakrar Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 7 Z234-174(LC)]

ASSURES.

THAT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT.

UH, LET'S DO GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 74.

AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF HURLING STREET BETWEEN SOUTH SECOND AVENUE AND CROSS STREET.

A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO D RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU MR. CLINTON.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR.

HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, MY NAME IS NEIL DESAI.

I AM HERE TO REPRESENT THE 35 15 HURLING, UH, ADDRESS CASE FOR ANSAR.

UH, IF YOU HAVE SHOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

I BELIEVE MOST ARE ANSWERED IN EMAILS PRIOR TO THE MEETING, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING, UH, AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, VICE CHAIR RUBEN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 1 74, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 5TH.

UH, MR. RUBIN AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

UH, GEORGE, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE TO, UH, EMAIL OUT A LINK TO COMMISSIONER WHEELER? I THINK SHE OCCASIONALLY HAS PROBLEMS. YOU DID? DO YOU KNOW IF SHE RESPONDED? CAN YOU EMAIL ME THAT LINK AND I'LL I'LL TEXT IT TO HER.

SHE MAY BE ON HER PHONE, PLEASE.

[9. 24-2123 An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District on property zoned an LO-1 Limited Office District, on the north line of East Northwest Highway, east of Lockhaven Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: The Javelin Group, LLC Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 10 Z234-178(MB)]

TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN L OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY EAST OF LOCKHAVEN DRIVE.

THIS IS ITEM NINE, CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 78.

AN APPLICATION FOR TH THREE, A

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STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM IT SAYS ITEM NUMBER NINE Z 2 34 1 78 COMMISSIONERS.

WE DO HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

IS THAT MR. WILLIAMS OR MS. NIXON? YEAH, THEY, YEAH.

WILLIAMS IS HERE.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENT.

UH, THANK YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JAMES WILLIAMS, RETIRED, UH, US MARINE, CURRENTLY A BUSINESS EXECUTIVE IN GLOBAL BUSINESS AND THE FINANCIAL SERVICES INDUSTRY.

I RESIDE AT 86 0 8 SAN SUCIE DRIVE AND MY PROPERTY IS ON THE NORTH BORDER OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 1 78 MV.

UH, FIRST I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, MA'AM, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE YOU MR. WILLIAMS. WE CAN WELL, I HAVE THE VIDEO ON.

I CAN SEE ME AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE WE WE CAN HEAR YOU.

WE CAN SEE YOU, SIR.

WE CAN SEE YOU AT THE HORSESHOE.

BUT COMMISSIONER SHOCK, UH, HAWKE.

YOU CAN'T SEE HIM ON THE, UH, WHAT? I CAN SEE HIM.

CAN HERBERT COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YOU, YOU GUYS? COMMISSIONER HAWKE.

YOU CANNOT SEE THE SPEAKER, MR. WILLIAMS? I CAN, I CAN SEE THE SPEAKER.

THERE IT MAY BE ON ANOTHER PAGE.

HIS WINDOW, A CHANGE OF LAYOUT.

UM, MINES IS ON GRID LAY, I MEAN, UH, STACK RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T NEED, I DUNNO, YOU JUST SAY THE LAYOUT.

MY APOLOGIES.

MR. EZ, PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR, YOUR TIME WILL START OVER.

UM, UH, I'LL JUST CONTINUE AT, UH, MY RESIDENCE.

UH, MY, I RESIDE AT 86 0 8 SAN SUCIE DRIVE AND MY PROPERTY IS ON THE NORTH BORDER OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT CASE Z 2 34, 1 78, AND B UH, FIRST I DO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY INTO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

BUT SECONDLY, I WANNA QUALIFY THAT, UH, WITH AN EXCEPTION.

UM, I, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL THAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME BY THOSE INTERESTED IN DOING THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THE FIRST PART OF THAT PROPOSAL WAS TO PROPOSE TO MOVE THE CURRENT ALLEYWAY THAT GOES BEHIND MY PROPERTY AND TO THE EAST OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY TO RUN PARALLEL TO THE SOUTH BOUNDARY OF MY PROPERTY AND EXIT AT THE SAN SUCIE DRIVE AND LALE DRIVE INTERSECTION.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS PLAN REQUIRES FURTHER STUDY FOR TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE MOVEMENT IN THIS RECOMMENDATION, BUT I BELIEVE IT COULD BE WORKABLE.

UH, THE SECOND OBJECTION I HAVE, AND I'M VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION.

UH, THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CREATE A MAIN ENTRANCE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS SAME INTERSECTION OF SAN SUCIE DRIVE AND LOCKLEAR DRIVE.

AND I'M VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THAT AS IT WILL BRING UNNECESSARY CONFLUENCE OF TRAFFIC TO A RELATIVELY QUIET AND SAFE STREET.

NEGOTIATING THIS INTERSECTION BY CURRENT TRAFFIC IS ALREADY TROUBLESOME AND HAS HAD ACCIDENTS AND NEAR ACCIDENTS, INCLUDING MY WIFE WHO WAS HIT AT THIS INTERSECTION BY INDIVIDUALS THAT DID NOT KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE AND JUDGE DISTANCE AND SPEED AT THIS INTERSECTION.

UH, IT PRESENTLY, UH, I BELIEVE CREATES A TRAFFIC CONCERN OR A SAFETY CONCERN AND IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE NUMEROUS CHILDREN THAT PLAY BIKE IN THE FAMILY'S WALKING CHILDREN, PETS, AND BABIES AND STROLLERS.

UH, A BETTER AND SAFER SOLUTION WOULD BE TO CREATE AN ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY FROM EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, WHICH HAS A BETTER INGRESS AND EGRESS INTO AND OUT OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT WITH AN EXISTING ACCESS ROAD IN FRONT OF THE CURRENT BUILDING, AN ENTRANCE CAN BE DESIGNED TO BE ATTRACTIVE TO ALL CONCERN.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT MY OPINION TO THE COMMISSION.

I YIELD BACK MY TIME.

WITH MR. WILLIAMS THAT, UM, THE ENTRANCE SHOULD NOT BE AT SAM SUSHI DRIVE IN LAIER DRIVE FOR THOSE SAME REASONS THAT MR. WILLIAMS GAVE.

IS, UH, MS. NIXON ONLINE? YES, SHE IS.

UM, I AM JENNIFER NIXON AND I RESIDE AT 8 6 0 5 SAN SUSHI DRIVE.

I AM ACTUALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MR. WILLIAMS, UM, IN THE, UH, PICTURE THAT WAS SENT ON, UH, LOT 17.

UM, I ALSO AGREE

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IN ADDITION TO THAT, I ALSO WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO CONSIDER, UM, THERE IS A STORM DRAIN RIGHT THERE, AND I SENT SOME PICTURES AND VIDEO TO MR. MENDOZA, UM, REGARDING OUR RECENT STORMS THAT WE HAD ON MAY 28TH AND MAY 30TH.

UM, WHEN WE HAVE A LARGE DELUGE OF RAIN LIKE WE DID THAT AREA, ALL THE WATER DRAINS TO THAT AND THE STORM DRAIN IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH.

AND, UM, MR. MENDOZA MAY BE ABLE TO SHARE THOSE PICTURES AND VIDEO THAT I SENT.

UM, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT I ALSO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE STORM DRAIN NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IF YOU CAN SEE ON THESE PICTURES, THE WATER GETS UP OVER THE SIDEWALK AND THAT'S THE BACK OF WHERE THE PROPERTY WILL BE.

AND SO THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

I ALSO DON'T WANT CARS FROM THE PROPERTY PARKING ON THAT STREET AND THEN WITH THE RAINS COME FOR THEM TO HAVE WATER DAMAGE OR FLOODING TO THEIR CARS, WHICH WILL HAPPEN.

UM, SO I ALSO AGREE WITH MR. WILLIAMS THAT IF THE ENTRANCE COULD BE ON THE, UM, EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY SIDE, THAT WOULD BE BETTER.

THAT IS, UM, PICTURES FROM THE STORMS THAT WE HAD, THE WATERS UP OVER THE STREET ACTUALLY ON MR. WILLIAMS' PROPERTY AND MY OWN PROPERTY UP OVER THE SIDEWALK AND INTO OUR GRASS.

AND SO, UM, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE UM, DEVELOPMENT IS DONE BECAUSE IT WOULD AFFECT THOSE HOUSES AS WELL.

YES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR YES, FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER HOUSER? I PLEASE, UM, YES.

I'LL, I COULD ASK EITHER SPEAKER, I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THIS QUESTION TO MR. WILLIAMS. UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR THIS CASE TO BE HELD TODAY? UH, WE WERE NOT.

UM, I, I WANT TO REALLY ADDRESS YOU AND MS. NIGS THAT, UH, I SHARE YOUR POINT OF VIEW ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

UM, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOLD THIS CASE AND THE APPLICANT MAY VERY WELL WITHDRAW IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AND SO, UM, STAY TUNED.

UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO VISIT WITH EITHER OF YOU, UH, ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS, UH, SHOULD THIS GO FORWARD.

BUT, UM, THERE IS, UH, A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS WILL BE WITHDRAWN AND, UH, NOT BE DEVELOPED AS PROPOSED IN THIS, UH, APPLICATION.

THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HOUSE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? UH, YES.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 1 78, I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JULY THE 25TH.

COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? COULD I GET A CLARIFICATION? I MEAN, I, I I JUST UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU SAID THAT THE APPLICANT'S REP ASKED FOR A 30 DAY, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, I DIDN'T INTEND TO SAY 30 DAYS.

WELL, YEAH, APPLICATIONS I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. BALDWIN SEVERAL TIMES IN TWO WEEKS IS SATISFACTORY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

I JUST WAS TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT WAS INTENTION.

I THINK IT WAS ANOTHER CASE THAT THE 30 DAYS CAME UP.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

HOLD THE MATTER ARE ADVISEMENT UNTIL JULY 25TH.

A AYE.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

UH, THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, JOIN US THIS AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

WELCOME.

[10. 24-2124 An application for a CS Commercial Service District on property zoned an A(A) Agricultural District, on the southeast line of Telephone Road, between North Dallas Avenue and Van Horn Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: Barranco Properties, LLC Representative: Cherrell Charles, Masterplan Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 8 Z234-190(LC)]

MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 10.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10, KZ 2 3 4 DASH ONE 90 AN APPLICATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF TELEPHONE ROAD BETWEEN NORTH DALLAS AVENUE AND VAN HORN DRIVE.

ON THIS ITEM? IT'S NUMBER 10 ON PAGE THREE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK

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ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 490.

I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, UM, UNTIL A AUGUST 22ND.

I WILL SECOND IT.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE.

THANK

[11. 24-2125 An application for a Specific Use Permit a late-hours establishment limited to a restaurant without drive-in or drive-through service on property zoned Planned Development District No. 842 with an MD-1 Modified Delta Overlay, on the southeast corner of Greenville Avenue and Oram Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a two-year period, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: NB Concepts, LLC Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Liliana Garza U/A From: May 16, 2024. Council District: 14 Z223-289(LG)]

YOU MR. CLINTON.

WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 11, MS. GARZA.

AFTERNOON CASE.

UM, ITEM NUMBER 11 IS KZ 2 2 3 2 8 9.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICES ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH AN MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GREENVILLE AVENUE AND ORM STREET SITE.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SIP PLAN AND STATUS RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. GARZA.

SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B HERE.

REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE OWNERS OF A HYDE RESTAURANT IN THIS REQUEST FOR A LATE NIGHT SUP TO ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 2:00 AM ON LOWER GREENVILLE.

AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, UH, IN LOWER GREENVILLE, THERE'S A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 8 42 THAT PROHIBITS USES AFTER MIDNIGHT.

AND IN ORDER TO GET, UH, USE TO LAST AFTER MIDNIGHT, YOU HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

SO AS YOU KNOW, THE SUP PROCESS IS FOR USES THAT MAY BE REASONABLE AT THE, BUT NEED EXTRA ATTENTION.

AND I APPLAUD THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THIS LOCATION.

GIVEN THAT ON THIS SIDE OF GREENVILLE, WE DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY JUST BEHIND THE ALLEY.

UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UM, AN SUP FOR THE GROUND FLOOR ONLY ON THIS.

SO IT'S TOTALLY ENCLOSED NOTHING ON THE UPSTAIRS IN THE THE OPEN ROOFTOP DECK.

UM, AND FOR A SHORT TIME PERIOD TO, TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS.

UH, MY CLIENT HAS UNDERDONE, UH, NOISE STUDY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NOISE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE WOULD NOT BE HAZARDOUS OR OFFENSIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

UH, BOTH BEF ALONG THE GREENVILLE AVENUE AND BEHIND US OFF HOPE STREET.

UM, WE THINK THAT THIS REQUEST IS REASONABLE.

UM, I HOPE YOU CAN FIND IT REASONABLE TOO.

THIS IS A RESTAURANT, IT IS NOT A BAR.

THEY STILL HAVE TO BE SERVING FOOD UNTIL 2:00 AM BUT, UH, WE, WE DO THINK THAT THIS IS REASONABLE AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? COMMISSIONER HALL.

MR. BALDWIN, YOU, ARE YOU AWARE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS AND YES, SIR.

I'M AWARE OF THE LETTERS AND, UH, THE, UH, CPC RESPONSE FORMS AND, AND, UH, THEY WERE SORT OF DETAILED ABOUT NOISE ISSUES AND, AND CROWD ISSUES AND RIGHT.

AND SO FORTH.

THIS AREA'S COME A LONG WAY IN THE LAST EIGHT, 10 YEARS.

UH, HOW, HOW DID THE, HOW, HOW DOES THE APPLICANT RES RESPOND TO THAT? WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS PART OF LOWER GREENVILLE, ESPECIALLY ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE ARE SEVERAL RESTAURANTS AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE IN PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER.

AND, UH, PEOPLE OFTEN COME HERE AND GO TO ONE OR TWO DIFFERENT PLACES AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, TO SAY EXACTLY WHERE THE NOISE IS COMING FROM.

BUT, UH, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY GOING THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS TO, TO EVALUATE THAT AND GIVE PEOPLE A, A SAY, UM, I'M SORRY, THAT, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, ARE, HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE AND TRASH.

UH, I KNOW MY CLIENT IS, UH, HIRING PEOPLE TO PICK UP TRASH.

THEY ARE, UH, AWARE OF THE NOISE AND THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO KEEP IT LEASE OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY FROM AFFECTING THE NEIGHBORS.

BUT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I LIVE JUST NORTH OF, OF HERE, UH, JUST A BLOCK OFF OF GREENVILLE AVENUE, BUT ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS NORTH.

AND

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IT'S, IT'S NOT NEARLY THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT IT USED TO BE.

AND I THINK THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE NEIGHBOR'S VIGILANCE AND THE, THE APPROVAL OF PD 8 42.

THAT BEING SAID, THERE STILL NEEDS CONSIDERATION TO KEEP IT VIBRANT AND I THINK THAT ALLOWING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF LATE NIGHT HOURS MAKES SENSE.

UM, AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT OF THE RESPONSES WE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE RESPONSE, UH, HALF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE NOTIFIED RESPONDED THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS? YES, MA'AM.

I'M AWARE OF THAT.

AND THAT'S AN UNUSUALLY HIGH RESPONSE RATE, ISN'T IT, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? I USUALLY DO NOT LIKE RESPONSE RATES AS HIGH ON MY CASES.

I IN FACT, WE DON'T USUALLY GET HALF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO RESPOND AT ALL, DO WE? THAT'S CORRECT.

AS WELL.

AND THE FOUR PEOPLE WHO DID RESPOND IN FAVOR ARE AFFILIATED WITH THE LANDLORD.

RIGHT, I SAW THAT.

UM, AND YOU'RE AWARE OF THE SUP STANDARDS UNDER PD 8 42? YES, MA'AM.

OF THE, UM, PROPERTIES ON LOWER, LOWER GREENVILLE IN PD 8 42, I PULLED THE CRIME STATISTICS.

THAT'S ONE OF THE STANDARDS FOR GRANTING AN SUP ON 8 42, RIGHT? YES.

AND THERE'S ONLY FIVE PROPERTIES DOWN THERE THAT HAVE HAD CRIMES REPORTED TO DPD IN THE LAST YEAR.

DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS ADDRESS IS ONE OF, OF THEM? YES, MA'AM.

AND THEY'VE HAD, WELL, THE, THE CRIME STATS THAT MY OFFICE HAS RECEIVED DON'T, AREN'T, DON'T GO INTO DETAIL, UH, THAT, THAT THERE'S BEEN A 3 1 1 CALLER OR THERE HAS BEEN A CALL IN THIS ADDRESS RANGE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOUND.

UH, WELL, THE INFORMATION I GATHERED WAS THAT THERE'S, UM, OVER HALF A DOZEN IN THE LAST YEAR AFFILIATED WITH THIS ADDRESS.

UM, AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS, UM, BUILT OUT ITS ROOFTOP DECK IN VIOLATION OF ITS CERTIFICATE OF OCU OCCUPANCY? UM, I, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A ROOFTOP DECK AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR IT THAT WAS ISSUED AND APPROVED.

UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THEY'VE DONE ANYTHING TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THAT MEANING COVERING IT.

UH, THE LAST TIME I WAS UP THERE, IT WAS NOT COVERED, BUT THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO.

HAVE YOU SEEN PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT BEING COVERED? I HAVE NOT SEEN PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT BEING COVERED.

BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE, SO TAKE OF OCCUPANCY SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS IT FROM BEING COVERED? YES, SIR.

HAVE YOU BEEN DOWN THERE ON LEWIS GREENVILLE? I'M SORRY, AFTER, HAVE YOU BEEN DOWN TO LOUIS GREENVILLE AFTER MIDNIGHT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS? I'VE NOT BEEN UP AFTER MIDNIGHT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

YOU DON'T GET OUT MUCH, SIR? I DO NOT GET OUT MUCH.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORKING TOO HARD.

AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, JUST ONE VERY QUICK FOLLOW UP IN TERMS OF THE PATIO FOR THE RECORD, WE DID RECEIVE PICTURES OF THE PATIO AND IN FACT, AND IT WAS COVERED.

IT IS COVERED.

IN FACT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FULLY COVERED.

UM, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT HERE.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 2 8 9, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DENY THE APPLICATION, AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

LOIS GREEN VAULT AFTER MIDNIGHT.

UM, IN THE LAST YEAR TO SIX MONTHS, SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, WE'VE SEEN A REAL UPTICK IN BOTH CRIMINAL COMPLAINTS AND CODE COMPLAINTS ON LOUIS GREENVILLE.

UM, PARTICULARLY THOSE INVOLVING NOISE AND, UM, SOME OTHER ISSUES, BUT NOISE BEING A BIG ONE INVOLVING A HANDFUL OF OPERATORS.

SOME HAVE LATE NIGHT PERMITS, SOME DON'T.

UM, SOME ARE OPERATING AFTER MIDNIGHT WITHOUT AN SUP.

AND SO I'VE STARTED SPENDING MORE TIME ON

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AND LIKE MR. BALDWIN, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I USUALLY DO EITHER.

UM, BUT I HAVE SPECIFICALLY, UM, WATCHED THIS OPERATOR AND THEY ARE NOT CONTRARY TO THEIR ASSERTIONS PAYING ATTENTION TO THEIR NOISE, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE GENERALLY SHUTTING DOWN THEIR SERVICE OF PATRONS BY MIDNIGHT.

THEY ARE CRANKING THE MUSIC WAY UP WHEN THEY ARE DOING THEIR CLOSEOUT, AND YOU CAN HEAR IT WELL OVER A BLOCK AWAY.

AND SO THE CONDO OWNERS THAT LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THEM, SEPARATED BY AN ALLEY, CAN CERTAINLY HEAR THEIR MUSIC.

AND THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

WHEN I LOOK AT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'VE GENERATED VERY SPECIFIC COMMENTS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE TO THE TUNE OF, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA RESPONDING.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT, UM, THE STANDARD, UH, FOR AN SUP, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF STANDARDS TO LOOK AT, UM, IN OUR GOVERNMENT, I'M SORRY, IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT SAYS THAT COUNSEL SHALL NOT GRANT AN SUP EXCEPT UPON A FINDING THAT THE USE WILL COMPLEMENT OR BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AND COM COMMUNITY FACILITIES CONTRIBUTE TO ENHANCE OR PROMOTE THE WELFARE OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE AND CONFORM IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS TO ALL ZONING REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS.

I DON'T THINK THIS APPLICATION MEETS THAT.

NUMBER ONE, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THEIR CO BY ENCLOSING AND COVERING THEIR, UH, ROOFTOP, WHICH IS NOT PARKED.

SO THAT'S TWO VIOLATIONS.

NUMBER TWO, THEIR USE TO DATE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

THE REASON THAT THEIR CO SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THEIR ROOFTOP CANNOT BE COVERED IS BECAUSE OF THE NOISE ISSUES AND PARKING ISSUES THAT THOSE ROOFTOPS HAVE CREATED WHEN WE HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO BE COVERED IN THE PAST.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT PD 8 42, UM, THE PURPOSE OF PV 8 42 IS TO ENSURE THE COMPATIBILITY USES WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO REDUCE THE INCIDENCE OF CRIME BY DISCOURAGING AN OVER PROLIFERATION OF REGIONAL SERVING LATE NIGHT VENUES.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT HOW THIS PARTICULAR AREA HAS STARTED TO SHIFT, I THINK IT'S COMING FROM A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, THERE ARE CHANGES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY LIKE DEEP ELEM AND MCKINNEY, WHERE PEOPLE ARE FEELING INCREASINGLY UNSAFE.

AND SO THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK FOR OTHER PLACES TO HANG OUT.

AND LOWER GREENVILLE IS ATTRACTIVE.

AND SO WE HAVE NOT ONLY SEEN AN INCREASE OF ACTIVITY DOWN THERE, WHICH, WHICH CAN BE GOOD, BUT IT, IT ALSO BRINGS WITH IT SOME PRESSURES ON THE COMMUNITY THAT THE COMMUNITY IS FEELING.

WE'RE ALSO SEEING SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOOD.

UM, SEVERAL OF THE OPERATORS HAVE STARTED USING AN UNLICENSED SECURITY COMPANY THAT IS A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.

UM, SEVERAL OF 'EM HAVE STARTED USING A PROMOTER THAT IS NOT IDENTIFYING HIMSELF, AND I CAN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE PROMOTER IS REGISTERED WITH THE CITY.

THEY ARE DROPPING, THE PROMOTER IS DROPPING OFF RESIDENCE IN THE ALLEYS, INCLUDING THE ALLEY RIGHT BEHIND THIS BUSINESS AND THE OTHER BUSINESS.

IT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE OTHER CASE LATER IN THE DOCKET.

AND SO WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY ARE CREATING NOISE AND VANDALISM AND TRASH THAT IMPACTS THE RESIDENTS RIGHT BEHIND THESE BUSINESSES.

AND SO, UM, FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, IT, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT IN DENYING THIS LATE NIGHT SUP.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER 12.

[12. 24-2126 An application for a Planned Development District for specific residential and nonresidential uses on property zoned an MH(A) Manufactured Home District, an A(A) Agricultural District, an LI Light Industrial District, and an R-5(A) Single Family District with consideration for an R-5(A) District, on the west side of Ingersoll Street, west side of Iroquois Drive, and north of Nomas Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, of an R-5(A) District, in lieu of a Planned Development District. Applicant: Jamp Westfork, LLC Representative: Santos Martinez, La Sierra Planning Group Planner: Liliana Garza U/A From: June 20, 2024. Council District: 6 Z223-301(LG)]

ITEM NUMBER 12

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IS KZ 2 2 3 301.

AN APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON PROPERTY ZONING.

MHA MANUFACTURED HOME DISTRICT AND AA AGRICULTURE DISTRICT AND LI LION INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND AN R FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN R FIVE, A DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF S SOUL STREET, WEST SIDE OF DRIVE AND NORTH OF NOMA STREET.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN R FIVE A DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. GARZA.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES.

IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 1, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PUT THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST THE EIGHTH.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HARA FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

[13. 24-2127 An application for a Planned Development District for CS Commercial Service District uses on property zoned a CS Commercial Service District with consideration for a Specific Use Permit for a truck stop, on the north corner of South Lancaster Road and Cherry Valley Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: QT South LLC Representative: Andrew Ruegg [Masterplan] Planner: Martin Bate U/A From: June 6, 2024. Council District: 8 Z234-115(MB)]

THANK YOU MS. GARZA.

WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 13 AND BACK TO MR. BATE.

ITEM 13 IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 115.

AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONE TO CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TRUCK STOP ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD AND CHERRY VALLEY BOULEVARD.

I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

I'M REPRESENTING QUICKTRIP.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION.

UH, I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.

UH, I THINK WE'RE GETTING PULLED UP RIGHT NOW, BUT I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND WORK, UH, OR START AND, UM, IF WE NEED TO PULL UP SOME ADDITIONAL VISUALS, I HAVE THOSE, UH, TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL.

UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PD FOR A TRUCK STOP USE IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, WE'LL GET THAT PULLED UP.

I'LL JUST GIVE A QUICK INTRODUCTION ON IT.

UM, THIS IS ZONED IN A CS, UH, COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT.

UH, WE WENT THE PD ROUTE, UH, FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

ONE, UM, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND, UM, KIND OF LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING ZONING, THIS IS, AS IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE BRIEFING, UH, AN INTERESTING, AN INTERESTING MIX OF, UH, USES LAND USES VERSUS, UM, ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT, WHAT ZONING DISTRICT IS OUT THERE TODAY? SO I'M GONNA FLIP REALLY QUICKLY TO, UM, OUR SITE AND ZONING THE, THE, THE ZONING ESSENTIALLY, UH, SPLITS ON SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD.

SO CS, WHICH OUR SITE IS ZONED ON, IS THE ENTIRETY OF, UH, EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN IR EVERYTHING TO THE, UM, LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.

UM, SO YOU CAN ALSO KIND OF SEE IN THIS VISUAL THE MIX OF USES.

THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL USES ON THE REAR INSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.

THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING, UH, WHICH IS ALLOWED IN THE CS DISTRICT.

AND REALLY THIS IS A, A KIND OF A MIX OF, UH, TRUCKING TYPE USES AND RESIDENCES.

MANY OF THOSE RESIDENCES ARE A PART OF THIS, UH, LOGISTICS BUSINESS AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, TRUCKS PARKED AT THEIR PARTICULAR PROPERTY OR OWN A LOT, UM, NEAR THEM THAT HAS, UH, COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A SITE HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF I 20.

UM, UH, PART OF THE LOGISTICS PORT, NOT TECHNICALLY IN THE PD FOR THAT, BUT, UH, THIS IS A VERY, UM, UH, HIGHLY TRAFFICKED SITE FOR THE LOGISTICS, UM, UH, ECONOMY IN DALLAS.

SO THIS IS PARTLY WHY THIS IS AN ATTRACTIVE SITE TO THE, UH, CLIENT.

UM, I'LL POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS ON THE, UH, SITE PLAN OR I GUESS OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE PD, SPECIFICALLY KNOWING THAT THERE IS THE RESIDENTIAL TO OUR SIDE AND REAR.

WE HAVE PROPOSED A 70 FOOT, UM, LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UM, ON THE, UH, EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO CREATE THAT BUFFER ZONE FROM THE, UH, CS ZONED, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, TO OUR EAST AND THEN TO THE NORTH.

WE ALSO HAVE A, A SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER WITH, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDSCAPING, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE SCREENING OF THOSE EXISTING NONCONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY USES.

A COUPLE OTHER VISUALS I JUST WANTED TO SHARE.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WE WOULD TAKE TO PERMITTING.

WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THIS CASE WITH THE ARBORIST, THEY PREFERRED THAT WE DO NOT INCLUDE THIS AS AN EXHIBIT, BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE CONDITIONS IN OUR PD THAT REQUIRE, UM, I BELIEVE A THREE INCH CALIBER TREE EVERY 20 FEET.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET A SENSE OF THOSE TREES LINING THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO, UH, TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, SHOULD THERE BE QUESTIONS.

YES, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS EXACT SLIDE.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

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GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS COREY VAUGHN, I'M A REAL ESTATE PROJECT, REAL ESTATE MA, PROJECT MANAGER WITH QUIKTRIP.

UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.

PLEASE STAND BY.

THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK? COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, SIR, FOR THE RECORD? SORRY.

8,700 FREEPORT PARKWAY, IRVING, TEXAS 7 5 0 6 3.

SERVICES THAT ARE THERE, THEY DO SUPPORT THAT MAJOR TRUCKING COMPANY THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

UH, MR. REIG IS THERE, BEFORE WE GO BACK TO QUESTIONS, BEFORE WE START QUESTIONS, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, MR. REIG, DID YOU HAVE, HOW MANY MORE SLIDES YOU GOT? I, I'LL JUST FLIP THROUGH REALLY QUICK.

YES, I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE PLEASE.

YEAH, SURE.

UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN SLIDE FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS, UM, WHICH WE FINISHED UP, UH, THIS MORNING ACTUALLY, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ABLE TO SH SHARE THOSE WITH YOU, UH, HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

SO, UH, A COUPLE RENDERINGS OF THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.

I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THE BRIEFING ABOUT OUR, UH, SURFACE DETENTION PONDS, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER HALL.

AND THAT'S REALLY JUST A LOW POINT, UM, IN THE, UM, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, HELP THAT WATER DRAIN OUT APPROPRIATELY, UH, TO THE SITE.

SO THERE WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, STANDING WATER AT ALL TIMES, BUT JUST IN A RAIN EVENT, HELPING THAT WATER FLOW FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE DRAINAGE, UH, FOR THE SITE.

UM, A COUPLE OTHER, JUST I'LL FLIP THROUGH AND IF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THESE, I'M SURE IT CERTAINLY HAPPEN.

HAPPY TO.

HERE'S ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OF THE PROPOSED QUICKTRIP WITH THE TRUCK STOP MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION, GENERAL CONVENIENCE STORE COMPONENTS.

HERE'S A RENDERING OF WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD, AND THEN A, UH, PERSPECTIVE OF, UH, CHERRY VALLEY, UH, BOULEVARD ON THE TRUCK STOP COMPONENT.

UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, THANK YOU MR. UH, RUIC.

UM, WHEN WE DISCUSS, UM, THE PD VERSUS THE SUP, IS IT NOT SAFE TO SAY THAT IT WAS A DECISION THAT WAS, WAS MADE THAT WOULD BE THE BETTER SERVE, UM, SERVE THE, THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO DO BUSINESS? TH THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IMPETUS FOR THE PD REQUEST IS, UH, THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A SPECIFIC TIME LIMIT TIED TO THIS SO THEY CAN MAKE THAT INITIAL INVESTMENT AND WOULDN'T HAVE, UM, FUNDING ISSUES OR, YOU KNOW, A, A A TIME LIMIT POTENTIALLY HANGING OVER THEIR HEAD WITH, UM, THAT CAN, THAT CAN OCCUR FREQUENTLY WITH SUP TYPE REQUESTS.

UM, IS IT NOT THAT WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS, SO ALTHOUGH THERE THE ALL, LIKE YOU SHOWED THAT ALL OF THE LAND SURROUNDING THIS IS ZONED CS AND THE RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ABUT THIS, LIKE WHAT'S EVEN SHOWN IN YOUR, YOUR, UM, DIAGRAM THAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE, GOT TRUCKS PARKED THERE AS WELL, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, SO IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND TRUCK PARKING AS WELL, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND YOU DID NOT SHOW, BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, WELL THE HIGHWAY, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL, LA LANCASTER, UM, IS A MAJOR TRUCKING COMPANY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND UM, IT'S JUST SOUTH, NORTH AND WELL, ANYTHING LE ANYTHING SOUTH OF 20 FROM THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR, UM, WE SEE MORE TRUCK USES AND IT DOESN'T, NOT A BUTT UP TO PD 7 61, WHICH IS THE INLAND PORT, CORRECT? YES.

AND, AND WITH THIS BUDDING UP AGAINST THE INLAND PORT IS NOT THE INLAND PORT WHERE THE CITY HAS DESIGNATED ALL THIS TYPE OF USE.

THAT'S RIGHT, YES.

SO WOULD THIS NOT BE, UM, THIS AND, AND IS THERE NOT A ALREADY EXISTING, UH, FUELING AND TRUCK PARKING RIGHT WITHIN THIS VICINITY, I THINK WITH, WITHIN THE 500 FEET, CORRECT? YES.

THERE'S, UM, TRUCK WASH AND FUELING, I GUESS, UH, TRUCK STOP, WHICH IS THE TRUCK FUELING STATION, UH, ACROSS THE STREET ON SOUTH LANCASTER.

UM, AND THE, UH, FEW, THE FOOD

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UM, AND WITH THIS BEING THE ENTRY POINT TO THE INLAND PORT, SO WHEN WE DRIVE SOUTH, WE SEE MORE, UM, USES THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE AS THE, UM, AREA RAPIDLY CHANGES TO A, UM, BUSINESS SUPPORTING THE INLAND PORT.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH, IT'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE LOGISTICS, TRANSPORTATION ECONOMY IN THIS AREA.

AND WHEN WE FIRST, UM, MET IN REGARDS TO THIS, DID I FIRST, BEFORE I WENT AND VISITED THE SITE, TELL YOU A VERY EMPHATIC NO , IT WOULDN'T BE IT OUR YEAH, YOU SAID IT WOULD BE A GREAT CHALLENGE.

UH, AND I THINK WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES AS FAR AS OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

SO, UM, YOU HAD TO WORK HARD IN ORDER TO GET ME HERE, RIGHT? YES.

UH, AND I, UM, APPLAUD YOU FOR BEING ABLE TO BE ONE OF THOSE THAT CAN DO THAT.

UM, BUT UM, LOOKING AT THE RENDERING YOU HAVE AND LOOKING AT THE, THE SURROUNDING, UM, AREA, UM, AND MY, MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT, THAT I'M A HARD SELL WHEN I SAY NO TO BE CHANGED TO A YES.

UM, WE DID, YOU, YOU, YOU OFFERED UP IN YOUR APP AND YOUR, UM, THE APPLICANT OFFERED UP WHAT WAS NEEDED TO SUPPORT, UM, USES THAT ARE SURROUNDING, THAT ARE USING THE SAME USE, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL USE TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THOSE RESIDENTS, YES, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR, OUR DESIGN OF THE SITE JUST TO SPECIFICALLY MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD ADEQUATE BUFFER AND PROTECTIONS.

UH, ONE OTHER THING I DIDN'T MENTION IN, IN ADDITION TO THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, WE ALSO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT SCREENING FENCE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT WOULD BE ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE OF THE SITE.

SO YOU HAVE KIND OF THE DUAL LAYER OF TREE CANOPY ON THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, PROPERTY LINE, A 70 FOOT BUFFER ON THE EASTERN SIDE, AND THEN AN EIGHT FOOT SCREENING FENCE JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE IN BETWEEN THOSE, UH, TWO USES.

SO YOU, SO YOU HAVE THE EIGHT FOOT, UM, FENCING.

THEN YOU HAVE BUSHES THAT ARE NATIVE BUSHES SO THAT THEY'RE FAST GROWING AND THEY'RE, THEY ARE NATIVE, SO THEY ARE TOLERANT OF THE HEAT.

UM, THEN YOU HAVE GREENERY AND TREES, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. RU.

QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

UM, SO I GUESS I JUST PREFACE THIS BY, YOU KNOW, I, I DO HAVE A DEGREE IN ARCHITECTURE, BUT I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO I'M A FRUSTRATED ARCHITECT.

I HAVE TWO COLLEAGUES HERE TO MY LEFT THAT ARE ACTUALLY THE REAL THING.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, MY, MY FIRST THOUGHT, AND, AND I DO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I THOUGHT I'D ASK IT ANYWAY FOR THE RECORD.

YOU, YOU HAVE THE, THE MOTOR VEHICLE PUMP IN THE FRONT, THE TRUCK'S IN THE BACK.

WHY NOT FLIP THOSE? I THINK IT'S, UM, JUST OPERATIONALLY IT WORKS BEST FOR, UH, FOR, FOR QUICK TREATMENT.

I AGREE.

JUST THE THOUGHT NOTED.

COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

MR. RIGG, IS THIS A 24 HOUR A DAY OPERATION? YES, IT IS.

PROPOSED TO BE.

SO TRUCKS WILL BE COMING, GOING ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, THEORETICALLY.

THEORETICALLY, YES.

AND WILL THE TRUCK STOP COMPONENT BE TRUCKERS, UH, PARKING THEIR CARS, UH, PARKING THEIR VEHICLES DURING WHATEVER THEIR REST PERIOD IS, OVERNIGHT, WHATEVER, AND LEAVING THEIR TRUCKS IDLING, PRESUMABLY DURING HOT AND COLD WEATHER OR MAYBE ALL WEATHER TO RUN THEIR ACCESSORIES? N NO.

AND IF I MAY, IF I COULD ASK, UH, CORY TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK TO THAT, UH, AS FAR AS QUICK TRIPS, KIND OF STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR THAT, UH, EXACT, UH, CONCERN, THANK YOU.

UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND WE GET ASKED THAT QUESTION OFTEN.

IT IS A 24 HOUR OPERATION, UM, AND WE DO NOT ALLOW OVERNIGHT PARKING.

IF YOU NOTICE, THE PARKING FOR TRUCKS ARE VERY MINIMUM IT IS FOR, TO PREVENT STACKING AND TO KEEP THE LOT CLEAR.

SO IF THEY'RE TAKING A BREAK OR IF THEY'RE AT THEIR, UH, LIMIT OR IF THEY'RE PASSING BY AND THEY WANT TO HAVE LUNCH FROM THE STORE, IT'S A BASICALLY JUST

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A REST AREA FOR THEM.

AND WE DO PUT SIGNAGE UP THAT, UM, NO OVERNIGHT PARKING AS WELL AS THE EMPLOYEES ARE THERE.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE EMPLOYEES ON STAFF, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT AT OUR TRAVEL CENTERS, OR EXCUSE ME, OUR FUEL STOPS THAT, UM, ENFORCE NO OVERNIGHT PARK PARKING.

IS THERE A, A TIME LIMIT ON HOW LONG THE TRUCKS CAN STAY THERE? NOT PARTICULARLY A TIME LIMIT.

UH, AS I STATED, OUR UH, EMPLOYEES, UH, THERE ARE MULTIPLE EMPLOYEES ON SHIFT AND THEY KIND OF MONITOR THAT THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT AND THEY KNOW WHICH ONES ARE, THEY ASK THEM TO LEAVE, UM, WHEN THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.

UM, IS THERE A PROHIBITION AGAINST LEAVING YOUR TRUCKS IDLING FOR PROLONGED PERIODS OF TIME? WELL, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, WITH THE NEWER TRUCKS, WHEN THEY LEAVE THEM IDLE, YOU DON'T REALLY HEAR 'EM.

WHAT YOU DO HEAR IS THE AIR BRAKES FROM WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, UH, STOP AND THEY START.

BUT WHEN THEY'RE IDLING, THEY'RE VIR VIRTUALLY NOISELESS, WELL, THEY MAY BE NOISELESS, BUT THEY'RE EMITTING DIESEL.

SAY AGAIN, THEY'RE EMIT THEY MAY BE RELATIVELY NOISELESS, BUT THEY'RE EMITTING DIESEL PARTICULATE.

THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EXHAUST THAT COMES OUT, BUT, OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.

SO, UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE BRIEFING ABOUT, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN ON THAT AREA CURRENTLY THAT TRANSPORTATION IN MY EXPERIENCE ISN'T, UM, ISN'T CONDUCIVE CURRENTLY.

AND ADDING MORE TO THAT INTERSECTION IS, IS STRANGE FOR ME.

HAVE YOU GUYS, UM, REVIEWED THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND HAVE ANY COMMENT? YES.

YEAH, WE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO A, UH, TIA WITH THIS, UM, UM, ZONING CASE, AND WE HAD THE TIA REVIEW THE EXISTING TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.

UM, PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE, I BELIEVE SIGNAL UPGRADE AS WELL AS IMPROVING CHERRY VALLEY, UH, ROAD.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A BRAND NEW ROAD, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS GOOD.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S REQUIRED BY THE APPLICANT.

AND THEN IT ALSO IMPROVES A, A KIND OF, UM, OLDER ROAD FOR, UH, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AS WELL.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TIA DID LOOK AT.

AND THAT, UH, WILL YOU BE WIDENING CHERRY VALLEY LANE? AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT RESTRICTING TRUCKS FROM THAT STREET AS WELL.

IS THAT STILL THE PLAN? YEAH, SO IT WOULD REQUIRE WIDENING, UH, CHERRY VALLEY LANE.

I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN QUICKLY LOCATE WHAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO, IF THE, THE WIDTH FOR THAT.

BUT I DO KNOW IT IS REQUIRED TO IMPROVE AND WIDEN.

AND THEN WHAT WAS YOUR, UH, SECOND QUESTION? UH, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN AND OUT ON, UH, LANCASTER ROAD.

IS THAT'S STILL THE PLAN, CORRECT? YES.

AND IS THERE A REASON? WE HAVE THE TWO ENTRIES ON CHERRY VALLEY, UM, ESPECIALLY DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE PRO .

UH, REALLY JUST A ADDITIONAL INGRESS EGRESS POINTS.

SO WE HAVE THE THREE POINTS TO ON CHERRY VALLEY, ONE ON, UH, SOUTH LANCASTER, UH, TO HELP WITH BOTH, UH, PERSONAL VEHICLE, UH, CIRCULATION AND TRUCK CIRCULATION SO THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, ACCESS AND, UH, HAVE ADEQUATE INGRESS AND EGRESS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.

AND REGARDING THE, UM, RETAINING, UM, DETENTION POND, WOULD THAT, I SEE THERE'S A GATE, UM, BLOCKING YOUR FACILITY FROM THAT AREA, UM, AND ALSO AS YOU'RE SAYING, CREATING A BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENCES THERE.

DO YOU HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THAT AREA, INCLUDING, UM, IRRIGATION AND HOW, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED? THAT'S A LARGE LOT, AND I HATE FOR IT TO BECOME A MOSQUITO PIT IF WE HAVE A WET SPRING.

AND, AND THE, UM, UH, RETENTION OR I GUESS THE DETENTION, I ALWAYS GET THESE TWO CONFUSED, BUT THE, THE REALLY, IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A POND, IT'S, WE'VE JUST LABELED THAT ON THE PLAN AS FAR AS A REALLY A LOW POINT IN THE, UM, LANDSCAPE BUFFER AREA SO THAT WATER CAN FLOW TO THE APPROPRIATE, UM, UH, DRAINAGE AREA SO IT'S NOT STANDING ON THE SITE.

UH, SO THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN.

AND I KNOW WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY, UM, DESIGNS WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WITH QUICKTRIP, UH, FOR THIS.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST DESIGNED TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE IS A RAIN EVENT, IT CAN GET THE WATER OFF THE SITE AND INTO THE, UM, UH, UH, DRAINAGE, UM, FACILITIES.

UM, BUT SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A LOT OF RESIDENCES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HIGHWAY, UM, DEPEND ON THIS AREA FOR FOOD, FAST FOOD UP AND DOWN.

WILL QUICKTRIP PROVIDE THEIR FULL FLEDGED KITCHENS FOR, FOR THIS AREA?

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AND THAT'S IN AN INCREASINGLY, UM, BENEFICIAL KIND OF, UH, UH, AMENITY THAT THEY'RE KNOWN FOR.

SO THEY WILL HAVE THAT FULL SERVICE, UM, FOOD COMPONENT WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE TO BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE UTILIZING THEIR SITE, BUT SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AND, UH, RESIDENTS FOR THE AREA.

I'VE SEEN, UH, QUICKTRIP BE GREAT COMMUNITY ADVOCATES.

UH, MY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WORK WITH THE CHURCH ON THIS BLOCK AND, AND WILLIAMS CHICKEN AND OTHER RESIDENCES, UM, TO BE THAT PARTNER IF YOU GET YOUR APPROVAL.

COMMISSIONER HEMPTON, PLEASE.

UM, MR. R ONE FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

I JUST HEARD YOU MENTION THAT, UM, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO RESTRICT, SORRY, SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE, RESTRICT, UM, ACCESS ON CHERRY VALLEY ROAD, BUT I DON'T, OR BOULEVARD, I DON'T SEE ANY LANGUAGE IN THE PD CONDITIONS THAT SPEAKS TO THAT.

COULD YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT'S PLANNED TO BE CODIFIED? OH, WE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON RESTRICTING.

THIS IS, UM, JUST OUR, OUR SITE PLAN.

SO IT WAS ALLOWING FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SITE IS WHAT I WAS SAYING.

I, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKE, BUT DON'T MEAN RESTRICT , THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR.

BUT COULD YOU SPEAK ABOUT HOW YOU HAVE REVIEWED THE TRUCK ACCESS? LIKE WHAT IS THE PLAN ROUTE FOR TRUCKS TO ACCESS THE SITE? YEAH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FLIP OVER TO OUR SITE PLAN.

UM, AND ESSENTIALLY HOW, HOW THEY WOULD ACCESS THE SITE IS THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THESE THINGS ARE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

UM, AND WHEN PEOPLE USE THE, YOU KNOW, TRUCKERS HAVE, HAVE COME TO THE SITE MULTIPLE TIMES, THE PRIMARY, UH, INGRESS POINT FOR THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WOULD BE THIS, UM, ENTRY POINT ON, UM, LET'S SEE IF I, IF, UH, THE MOUSE ALLOWS ME TO, HERE WE GO.

CAN YOU GUYS SEE THIS? OKAY.

THIS WOULD BE THE PRIMARY, UM, INGRESS POINT FOR THE TRUCKS, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO FUEL UP AT THE, UH, TRUCK STOP COMPONENT AND EITHER, UH, MOST LIKELY LEAVE THE SITE OFF HERE TO SOUTH LANCASTER ROAD TO THEN ACCESS INTERSTATE 20.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE, UH, POTENTIAL AVAILABILITY FOR THEM TO SWING, UH, SWING OVER HERE FOR AN, FOR AN EGRESS POINT.

BUT WE, WE THINK THIS WILL BE PRIMARILY USED FOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC, UM, THAT ARE USE, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL VEHICLES USING THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION TO, UH, USE THIS POINT OF ACCESS AND EGRESS INGRESS AND EGRESS AND THIS POINT AS WELL.

SO, ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, I GUESS, I MEAN, THERE ARE CLEARLY RESIDENTS THAT ARE PLAN EAST, SORRY, TRYING TO SAY THIS IN A WAY WE CAN ALL FOLLOW.

AND SO, AND I THINK WHAT YOU DESCRIBED GENERALLY MAKES SENSE.

UM, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA DO YOUR TRAFFIC STUDIES AND HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED TRAFFIC INFORMATION TO THE CITY, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD, I MEAN, TRUCKS COULD JUST AS EASILY, YOU KNOW, LANCASTERS BACKED UP.

THEY COULD MAKE THE CHOICE TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, CORRECT? YES, THEY COULD.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEEN OBSERVED GENERALLY, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? CORRECT.

WE, WE THINK THAT THE PRIMARY, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, AFTER FUELING AT THE STATION BY COMING THROUGH CHERRY VALLEY, WE THINK THAT MOST OF THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL BE GOING BACK NORTH TO THE INTERSTATE.

AND THEN ONE FINAL QUESTION ON THIS SITE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRAIN ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED CORRECT.

FOR CITY ENGINEERING, BUT WHAT DIRECTION IS THE SITE SLOPING? I BELIEVE IT'S SLOPING, UM, TO THE NORTH.

IF I, CORY, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME OUT HERE.

I THINK, UM, WE GOT A, UM, MM-HMM.

WELL THE REASON I ASK YEAH, GO AHEAD.

I NOTICED, GO AHEAD.

YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE A GRAVEL OUTLET AT THE CORNER YES.

OF WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING THE DETENTION FACILITY, CORRECT? YES.

I, I THINK, UM, IF I'LL SET FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT.

SO IS THAT CONNECTING TO A EXISTING CITY INFRASTRUCTURE? YOU ARE CORRECT.

UM, WELL, THE RIP WRAP THAT YOU SEE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD INSTALL AND THE ENGINEERING AND DRAINING, UM, DRAINAGE IS FOR IT TO FLOW TO THE DETENTION POND, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE EXCESS AMOUNT OF RAIN.

WE ALSO DID GET A, UH, LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT AGREEMENT FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS THAT TIRE SHOP THERE.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT IN PLACE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECOND ROUND PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

UM, YES, CORY? YES.

I APOLOGIZE FOR CALLING YOU CORY, I DON'T KNOW YOUR LAST NAME.

NO, VAUGHN.

IT'S MY V CO.

UM, THANK YOU.

IS IT NOT THE, UM, POLICY OF QUICKTRIP TO NOT

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NOT ONLY HAVE MULTIPLE EMPLOYEES AT ANY GIVEN TIME, BUT TO HAVE SECURITY AVAILABLE ALL THE TIME? THAT IS CORRECT.

IS IT NOT ALSO THE POLICY OF QUICKTRIP TO HAVE, UH, VIDEO CAMERAS NOT ONLY AT THE, UM, NOT ONLY INSIDE THE, THE, THE FACILITY BUT ALSO AT THE GAS PUMPS? THAT IS ALSO CORRECT.

AH, I KNOW QUICKTRIP, RIGHT? YOU DO.

AND IS IT NOT ALSO THE POLICY THAT QUICKTRIP DOES NOT ALLOW LOITERING ON THEIR PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT.

IS IT NOT ALSO THE, THE POLICY OF QUICKTRIP AND THE, THE AND THE OPERATION OF QUICKTRIP FOR YOUR 24 HOUR, UM, OPPOR, UH, UH, UM, UH, OPENING, UM, THAT YOU GUYS OPERATION THAT YOU GUYS ALSO, UM, MAINTAIN A, A CLEAN FACILITY INSIDE AND OUT THAT UNLIKE A LOT OF OTHER OVERNIGHT, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING, THAT YOU DON'T ALLOW ANY TYPE OF, UM, QUESTIONABLE OPERATIONS TO A, TO APPLY ON YOUR, YOUR FACILITIES? THAT IS ALSO CORRECT.

UM, IS IT NOT ALSO THE, THE OPPORT, THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, POLICY OF QUICKTRIP TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITY IN A, A GOOD OPERATION, UH, AT ALL TIMES YOU THAT YOU MAINTAIN AND YOU REPAIR AS NEEDED, YOU KNOW, QUICKTRIP? WELL, , YES.

I, I JUST DROVE FROM CALIFORNIA TO BACK TO DALLAS THIS WEEKEND, AND I VISITED EVERY QUICKTRIP I COULD BECAUSE OF THOSE, THOSE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS AS WELL AS BEING A PLACE WHERE WHEN I WAS TIRED, I WOULD, I FELT COMPELLED AND SAFE ENOUGH TO STOP AND SLEEP IN MY CAR TO TAKE AN HOUR'S NAP OR SO TO GET BACK ON THE ROAD.

SO YES, I DO COMMEND QUICKTRIP BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU OPERATE AND BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS TRUCKERS ON THE FACILITY, I WAS STILL SAFE ENOUGH TO STAY AND SLEEP FOR ANY GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME.

SO YES, I DO KNOW QUICKTRIP AND I DO KNOW QUICKTRIP.

WELL, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HALL.

NOW, MR. VAUGHN, I JUST WANT, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP A BIT MORE ON THE, UH, THE NOISE AND TRAFFIC ISSUE.

UH, JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, JUST, JUST A, A BLOCK AWAY, THERE'S A, A PILOT TRAVEL CENTER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

IT, AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT ITS REAL ESTATE, IT LOOKS MUCH BIGGER THAN QUICKTRIP.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE FEWER TRUCKS ON SITE, I GUESS, THAN SOMETHING LIKE PILOT, BUT THAT IS CORRECT.

DO YOU FOCUS ON AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC OR ON TRUCK TRAFFIC? DO YOU, DOES ONE PREDOMINATE OVER THE OTHER TYPICALLY? NOT NECESSARILY.

UH, IT'S A DUAL USE.

UM, WE JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE, UH, UH, CHAIR, UH, MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THAT THE CANOPIES ARE SEPARATED.

WE LIKE TO KEEP THE, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC SEPARATED FROM THE AUTO TRAFFIC SO THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERMINGLING A LOT.

AND, AND I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, UH, CURIOUS ABOUT THE NOISE OF THESE IDLING TRUCKS AND, AND, AND SO FORTH.

UH, I KNOW YOU DON'T ALLOW OVERNIGHT, BUT IF CORRECT, IF A TRUCKER PULLED UP THERE AND TOOK AN HOUR, HOUR OR SO, HIS TRUCK WOULD STILL BE RUNNING.

IF THERE WERE A LOT OF TRUCKS, IT COULD BE A PRETTY CUMULATIVE EFFECT OVER.

WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE IS WHEN THE TRUCKS ARE NOT FUELING, OF COURSE, THEY ARE TURNED OFF WHEN THEY'RE FUELING OR WHEN THEY PULL OVER TO THE TRUCK PARK, UH, WITH THE NEWER TECHNOLOGY, THEY ACTUALLY TURN, UH, THE VEHICLE OFF AND THEY TURN THE INSIDE OF THE CAB ON.

AND SO YOU DON'T HEAR A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE NEWER MODEL TRUCKS, YOU DON'T HEAR A LOT OF, UM, NOISY IDLING AND, UM, UH, LIKE YOU WOULD HEAR TRUCKS PULLING IN AND PULLING OUT, UH, AT HIGH NOISE LEVELS.

AND THE TRAFFIC'S TYPICALLY IS LESS LESSER OVERNIGHT.

UH, AND ALSO JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, IT'S AN INTERESTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT LOOKS LIKE A ONE MASSIVE TRUCK FACILITY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE POCKETS OF SINGLE FAMILY IN THERE, AND I, I GUESS THEY MUST BE USED TO THE TRAFFIC AND, AND SO FORTH.

BUT, UH, INTERESTING.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UM, YES, I DO.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, A HALF COMMENTS, UM, IN THE MATTER OF THE 2 3 4 DASH 15, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, BUT TO APPROVE IT.

CS THAN RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE RESIDENTIAL ALREADY HAS TRUCKS THERE AS WELL.

AND COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, LIKE I SAID, I, I AM QUITE FAMILIAR WITH QUICK TRIPS.

UM, AND LIKE YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, I HAVE A SON WHO IS A TRUCKER WHO HAS ONE OF THOSE NEWER TRUCKS THAT, UH, YOU WHEN, AND HE HAS A REFRIGERATED TRUCK.

THE OLD REFRIGERATED TRUCKS MUST HAVE THE ENGINES RUNNING AT ALL TIMES.

THE NEWER REFRIGERATOR TRUCKS, WHICH I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE TRUCKS ON THE ROAD ARE THE NEWER REFRIGERATOR, NEWER TRUCKS THAT, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED.

AND I ASSUME EVERYBODY KNOWS IT BECAUSE I HAVE A SON THAT'S A TRUCKER.

BUT I, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS JUST IN INTRODUCED ME TO THE CONCEPT THAT NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.

THAT, UM, THE NEWER TRUCKS, ESPECIALLY THE REFRIGERATOR TRUCKS, YOU TURN 'EM OFF AND, AND YOU CAN TURN ON THE CAB THAT KEEPS THE REFRIGERATION COLD, BUT YOU DON'T, BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS HAVE NOW CHANGED.

YOU TURN YOUR ENGINE OFF, YOU TURN OFF ANY EMITTING OF FUEL EXHAUST, YOU STILL CAN REFRIGERATE BECAUSE HE IS A OVER THE ROAD TRUCKER.

HE'S IN HIS TRUCK THAT, WELL, HE CALLS IT HIS APARTMENT, AND HE LIVES AT MY HOUSE.

UM, SO HE LEAVES HIS, HE LIVES IN HIS APARTMENT AND HE'S SIX FOOT EIGHT, AND HE CAN STAND UP IN HIS BED, UH, HE CAN STAND UP IN HIS TRUCK SO THAT THE NEW TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED WHERE A TRUCK CAB IS A, AN APARTMENT, HE HAS A REFRIGERATOR, HE HAS A MICROWAVE, HE HAS A BED.

UM, HE QUICK TRIP.

AND AT THIS, AND, AND, AND I, I AM GONNA TALK ABOUT QUIKTRIP.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S ONE OF THE SAFEST PLACES FOR A SINGLE WOMAN WHO'S DRIVING BY HERSELF TO GET ON THE ROAD TO TURN, TO TURN THE CAR OFF AND TO GO TO SLEEP.

THAT'S THE MOST VULNERABLE YOU CAN BE AT ANY GIVEN TIME IN LIFE IS WHEN YOU'RE ASLEEP.

AND QUICKTRIP PROVIDES THE SECURITY, WHETHER IT'S WITH THE CAMERA, UH, UH, SECURITY OFFICER.

AND NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, THE SECURITY OFFICERS THAT I HAVE SEEN ARE POLICE OFFICERS.

EACH ONE OF THEM HAS A POLICE OFFICER ON PROPERTY.

SO THIS FACILITY HERE, IS IT A GOOD USE OF LAND HERE? YES, BECAUSE IT RIVALS PILOT AND IT WILL MAKE PILOT, SINCE YOU GUYS CALLED OUT THE NAME OF ITS COMPETITOR, COME UP TO ITS QUICKTRIP STANDARD.

CURRENTLY TODAY, IT IS NOT AT QUICKTRIP STANDARD.

IT IS THE HOPE THAT THAT WILL CHANGE WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S RIGHT AT THE, IT'S RIGHT AT THE PRECIPICE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

YOU HAVE A LARGER, UH, UH, WAREHOUSE THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR AGES AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE DOWN THE STREET.

YOU HAVE A NEWER WAREHOUSE THAT HAS JUST BEEN BUILT THAT NEEDS THE FACILITIES OF QUICKTRIP.

THEY NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CHOICE WHERE THEY GET THEIR GAS FROM, WHERE THEY EAT FROM, AND WHERE THEY ACCESS THE HIGHWAY.

SO THE CITY HAS MUDDIED THE WATERS OF WHETHER THIS IS CS OR WHETHER THIS IS RESIDENTIAL.

I WOULD SAY BASED ON THE FACT OF WHERE IT IS, IT'S LEAN ITSELF TOWARDS MORE

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AND IF YOU'RE PARKING YOUR TRUCK ON YOUR RESIDENCE, YOU'RE GONNA BE IDLING ANY WAY ANYHOW.

SO I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, QUE THIS IS BY NO MEANS EASY, BUT IT'S DOABLE AND IT, IT'S A GOOD USE OF LAND WHERE IT IS.

SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU GUYS FOLLOW MY, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION AND TO VOTE WITH ME.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER? UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

I MEAN, IF THIS WERE PROPOSED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF LANCASTER, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEMS AT ALL.

AND I DON'T MEAN MY COMMENTS TO BE ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT, UH, QT WHATSOEVER, BUT THE, THE LAYOUT HERE, YOU KNOW, PUSHES MOST OF THE HEAVY TRAFFIC, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, ABOUT AS CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT COULD POSSIBLY GET.

IT PUSHES THE TRAFFIC, UM, THE TRUCK INGRESS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE EAST.

IT HAS THE TRUCK PARKING SPACES ON THE NORTHEAST, WHICH ARE RIGHT AGAINST THE BACKYARDS OF HOMES ON BERRY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE SITTING HERE WHO'S EVER LIVED WITHIN 500 FEET OF A COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING LOT.

AND TRUCKS ARE JUST NOISY, WHETHER IT'S THE AIR BRAKES OR THE OSHA MANDATED, YOU KNOW, B BEEPERS.

UM, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO BE SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTS, UM, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN SUPPORT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE? UM, YES, DURING THE BRIEFING I HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS BECAUSE, UM, THIS, IN MY DISTRICT, I DEFINITELY WOULD BE NOT SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.

UM, I'M STILL ON FENCE RIGHT NOW, BUT I TRAVEL THIS AREA QUITE OFTEN AND THE TRAFFIC AT THIS SPECIFIC INTERSECTION BOTHERS ME.

THE SIZE OF CHERRY VALLEY BOTHERS ME.

THE EMISSIONS NEXT TO THE RESIDENCES IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD, I AM HAVING A HARD TIME PUTTING MY FINGER ON, UM, OR PUTTING MY NAME ON BECAUSE, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PIECE OF WHAT WE DO, UM, IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, I, I GET IT.

THERE'S, THIS IS AN ENTRY TO WAREHOUSING, UM, BOTH ON THE DALLAS SIDE AND THE LANCASTER SIDE.

I UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP THE COLLEGE HAS WITH THE WAREHOUSES AND THE JOBS AND THE TRAINING.

UM, THERE'S A LOT THERE.

UM, BUT I'M, I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW GETTING THERE.

UM, MAINLY BECAUSE OF WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SAID, THE EXISTING LAYOUT OF THE AREA AND THE, THE MAJOR TRUCK STOPS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, THE NEED FOR THE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE THERE, UM, I'M, I'M, I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HALL TO CLOSE UP PUBLIC HEARING ALFA NOT TO FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT WHETHER APPROVE THE MATTER.

WANT POINT OF CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, WAS THAT PER THE DOCKET OR PER THE NEW SETBACK REQUIREMENT? UH, AS BRIEFED? AS BRIEFED AS BRIEFED COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER 14.

ANY OPPOSED? NAY, NAY.

TWO NAYS.

MOTION PASSES.

[14. 24-2128 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2439 for commercial motor vehicle parking on property zoned a CS Commercial Service District with deed restrictions [Z201-345], on the southeast line of Telephone Road, southwest of the intersection of Bonnie View Road and Telephone Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period, with eligibility for automatic renewals for additional five-year periods, subject to a site plan and conditions. Applicant: NFL Logistics, LLC Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Planning Planner: Connor Roberts U/A From: June 6, 2024. Council District: 8 Z234-117(CR)]

THANK YOU, MR. BA.

UH, ITEM 14, CASE C 2 3 4 DASH 107.

AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 39 FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON PROPERTIES OWNED A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS Z TWO ONE DASH 3 45 ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF TELEPHONE ROAD, SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BONNIE VIEW ROAD AND TELEPHONE ROAD STAFF'S.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

AND TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL AUGUST THE EIGHTH.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE OR ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? ITEM NUMBER 14 ON PAGE FIVE.

STANDBY COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 1 7.

I MOVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN

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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

IT IS 2 0 9.

LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

OKAY, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM COMMISSIONERS.

IT IS 10 22.

WE'RE BACK ON

[15. 24-2129 An application for a Specific Use Permit for an electrical substation on property zoned an R-16(A) Single Family District, on the west side of Edgemere Road, between Lawnhaven Road and Royalton Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval, for a five-year period, subject to site plan and conditions. Applicant/Representative: Rob Myers Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: May 2, 2024 and June 6, 2024. Council District: 11 Z234-142(LC)]

THE RECORD.

AND MOVING ON TO CASE NUMBER 15, PAGE FIVE.

AND MR. CLINTON, BACK TO YOU, SIR.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 15, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 42.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF EDGEMERE ROAD BETWEEN LAWN HAVEN ROAD AND ROYALTON DRIVE.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THE APPLICANT HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND, UM, COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS SETH SAMPSON, UM, REPRESENTATIVE FOR ENCORE.

7 7 7 MAINE, FORT WORTH, TEXAS.

UM, SO YEAH, I'M, I'M HERE TODAY TO, I'LL DISCUSS THE, UM, THE NEED FOR THIS STATION FIRST AND THEN KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS PROCESS.

IT HAS CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES.

UM, AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE FOR ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO STICK AROUND AND ANSWER AS LONG AS IT TAKES.

SO, UM, FIRST THE NEED.

SO THIS IS AN EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING FACILITY AND WITHIN OUR ENCORE OWNED FI OWNED PROPERTY, OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THE NEED IS, UM, THE DRIVING NEED IS TWOFOLD.

THERE'S, THERE IS, UH, TODAY A SUBSTATION A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH.

IT'S CALLED BANDERA FOR US.

IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ANYONE ELSE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT.

UM, AND IT'S 2025 PROJECTIONS FOR AND LOAD FOR THE SUMMER OF 2025 ARE SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

UM, THAT STATION IS CONNECTED THROUGH THE TRANSMISSION FACILITY IN ONE LOCATION ONLY.

THERE'S AN UNDERGROUND TRANSMISSION, UM, LINE THAT CONNECTS TO THIS EXISTING LOCATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

SO IF THERE IS AN EVENT TO OCCUR ON THAT TRANSMISSION LINE OR AT THAT STATION, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TODAY TO BACKAND THAT.

IF WE HAD A LOADING ISSUE, UM, IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR US BECAUSE ONE, IT'S IT'S AN OLDER STATION, IT'S SMALL, WE CAN'T BRING IN A TRANSFORMER, UM, A TEMPORARY TRANSFORMER TO REPLACE THAT.

SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE.

UM, TWO, IF, IF SOMETHING, AN EVENT WERE TO OCCUR THERE WHERE THESE FACILITIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY WOULD PICK THAT UP, THEY COULD TEMPORARILY OR QUICKLY BECOME OVERLOADED AS WELL.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TWO ISSUES.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE AT THE SITE THAT WE ARE TODAY.

UM, IT'S TO ADDRESS THE LOAD, THE CAPACITY OF THE GROWTH IN THE AREA, THE REGION, BUT AS WELL AS BACK STAND FOR ANY POTENTIAL SITUATIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE AT THE BANDERA SITE OR ON THAT SINGLE TRANSMISSION FACILITY THAT'S UNDERGROUND.

SO THAT'S THE NEED.

UM, ONCE YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, YOU CAN ABOUT THAT, WE CAN ADDRESS SOME THEN, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKSTORY BEHIND THIS.

SO THERE WAS, I WAS HERE THIS MORNING, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THE, UM, EXPANSION OF THE, THE ACCESS DOWN OUR FONE RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE WEST.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ABLE, AM I ABLE TO CLICK OVER OR IS FOR SITE? NO.

TO THE, UM, FRIENDS OF DO, DO YOU NEED TO SHOW A PRESENTATION? SORRY, WHAT'S, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDER DO YOU? OH, I WAS ASKING IF YOU HAD THIS STAFF REPORT FROM EARLIER, THERE'S A SITE PLAN ON THERE THAT I COULD PULL UP.

UM, OUR ACCESS DOWN OUR FIONA PROPERTY.

SO IN TALKING

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IT'S EASIER TO GET THAT PULLED UP.

IF NOT, I CAN, I CAN EXPLAIN WHILE WE .

BUT YEAH, I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER WE ARE DISCUSSING THE, THE NEW, UM, ACCESS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING DOWN OUR, DOWN OUR RIGHT OF WAY FROM.

UM, THAT ACTUALLY CONCLUDES YOUR, YOUR TIME, SIR.

PLEASE STAND BY.

THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER.

YEAH, SURE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HOUSER, YOU KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO, BUT I'M GONNA BEAR, BEAR WITH ME ON MY QUESTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GOTTEN A VARIETY OF RESPONSES FROM THE NOTICE AREA AROUND, UM, AROUND YOUR APPLICATION.

UM, AND OF COURSE THE WAY THE NOTIFICATION WORKS, IT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET OR SOMETHING.

CAN, CAN YOU TELL US, THIS PARTICULAR SUBSTATION SERVES A RADIUS OF HALF A MILE OR A MILE OR A QUARTER OF A MILE, OR YOU GIVE US SOME SENSE OF THE GEOGRAPHIC, UH, AREA THAT THIS STATION SERVES? SURE.

IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DEFINE THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA, BUT IT'S SAFE TO SAY THE NORTH DALLAS REGION.

UM, JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THE GRID IS SET UP, HOW IT FLOWS, IT'S HARD TO SAY.

IT STOPS HERE.

IT STARTS HERE.

IT'S JUST HARD TO DO.

BUT THE, THE NORTH DALLAS REGION, CERTAINLY THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT IT'S LOCATED, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT'S, IT'S LOW THAT IT'S PICKING UP AS FAR AS DISTRIBUTION AND, UM, THE HOUSEHOLDS AND BUSINESSES IN NORTH DALLAS THAT'S SURROUNDED.

SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY IT SERVES AN AREA FAR BEYOND THE HOMES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS.

UH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND IMPACTS THE SERVICE AND THE LIVES AND THE SAFETY OF FOLKS FAR BEYOND THOSE IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO IT.

SO ARE YOU AWARE THAT OF THE 33 RESIDENCES NOTIFIED THAT 19 WERE OPPOSED? I AM, YES.

SO OF THESE CONCERNS, UH, SOME REVOLVED AROUND THE LANDSCAPING ASPECTS AROUND THE SUBSTATION, CAN YOU SPEAK TOWARDS THE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE TO ASSUAGE THESE CONCERNS? SURE.

AND I APPRECIATE, UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MATTHEW FOR, FOR, SEEMS LIKE MANY MONTHS NOW, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP ON THIS TODAY.

UM, AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING GOES, SO WE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE UP THERE, BUT WE HAVE, UM, TODAY WHEN WE, WE EXPAND THIS STATION, THERE ARE ON THE STATION SITS ON KIND OF A NORTHWEST BY SOUTHEAST ORIENTATION, BUT WE'LL JUST USE THE NORTHWEST CORNER AS AN EXAMPLE.

THERE ARE TREES EXISTING ALONG THE FRONTAGE THERE TODAY, UM, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE.

THAT IS S BECAUSE THE FACILITY THAT WE ARE BRINGING IN, IT SITS ESSENTIALLY WHERE THOSE TREES ARE LOCATED.

THE OTHER THREE SIDES, WE'LL CALL IT THE, YOU KNOW, NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST SIDE, UM, OF THE STATION WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TAKING DOWN ANY TREES.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IN, IN MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, THEY WANTED TO KEEP AS MANY OF THE TREES AS POSSIBLE FOR SCREENING.

UM, TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE IN THE METROPLEX, WE, YOU'D FIND A MASONRY SCREEN WALL AT THIS LOCATION.

THE TREES ARE GROWN IN A WAY, THEY'RE REALLY INTERTWINED WITH THE EXISTING FENCE THAT'S THERE TODAY.

IT ACTUALLY CREATES A PRETTY GOOD SCREENING.

BUT IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THAT IN LIEU OF THE, UH, MASONRY SCREEN WALL, THOSE TREES WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING AS FAR AS THE TREES, UM, THEY EXISTING TODAY IT'S, IT'S IN SPEAKING WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT, UM, THE TREES THAT DO EXIST TODAY AND MITIGATE AS FEW AS WE, WE DO HAVE TO TAKE OUT, UM, ALSO PROPOSE ONCE WE GO BACK IN AND MAKE THIS EXPANSION ALONG OUR FRONT KIND OF GATE ENTRANCE, WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, SHRUBS THAT, THAT MEET OUR HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL AGREEMENT THAT MEET THAT STANDARD, UM, THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO THOSE, THOSE ESSENTIALLY ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY GROW TO ABOUT FIVE, SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.

THEY'RE PRETTY DENSE, BUT THEY ARE SHRUBS THAT DO MEET OUR HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY.

SO ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE SITE IS LOCATED NEAR A, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A MONTESSORI ACADEMY? MM-HMM.

AS FAR AS THE ACCESS RIGHT NOW, THE ACCESS THAT WE DO HAVE, IT'S COMPLICATED FOR US AS WELL.

AND THE CHOICE TO PUT THE ACCESS ROAD TOWARDS, UH, RICK'S CIRCLE, IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD THAT REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE CONSTRUCTION THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE NEXT TO THAT SCHOOL? YES, I, I'M AWARE WE'RE AWARE OF THE SCHOOL.

UM, WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS AND HEARD THEY'RE CONCERNED

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THE, THE TRUCKS THAT WE DO BRING IN, THEY HAVE TO REALLY JUMP A CURB.

UM, IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT MONTESSORI.

AND SO THIS NEW ACCESS REALLY, UH, IS TWOFOLD.

IT'S ONE, WHEN WE BRING IN THE NEW EQUIPMENT, IT, IT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STATION ON THE FACILITY.

IT HAS TO BE ON THAT SIDE OF THE FACILITY.

WE CAN'T PHYSICALLY BRING THE EQUIPMENT IN THROUGH THE EXISTING ACCESS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T FIT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STATION.

AND IT, FRANKLY, IT'D BE TOUGH TO BRING DOWN THAT ROAD PAST THE MONTESSORI AND GET INTO THE STATION.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE PROPOSING THE NEW ACCESS DOWN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, WHICH IS A PORTION OF THE EXPANSION TODAY THAT CON THAT PAVEMENT, WHICH IS THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL AS WELL, IS 12 FEET.

WE'RE PROPOSING TO WIDEN THAT AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT FEET TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, WHEN WE DO BRING IN THE EQUIPMENT, WE CAN BRING IT DOWN.

THAT, UM, THAT ACCESS AS WELL AS THE MEANDERING ASPECT IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE TALK TO THE FRIENDS OF NORTH HAVEN TRAIL, YOU KNOW, THEY EXPRESSED WHAT CAN WE DO TO, YES, WE UNDERSTAND YOU NEED THIS AS AN ACCESS ROAD, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAINTAIN THAT AESTHETIC AND FEEL THAT IT IS STILL HIKE AND BIKE, WHICH ONE OF THOSE AGREEMENTS WAS TO KEEP THAT MEANDERING ASPECT THAT THE TRAIL HAS TODAY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF SECONDARY WHERE YOU SEE THAT.

SO NOT ONLY DOES IT BRING THE TRAFFIC, UM, OFF OF THE, THE ROAD, THE EDGE MIRROR THAT CROSSES, UH, THE MONTESSORI, BUT IT BRINGS IT IN FROM THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH BENEFITS THE SCHOOL AND IT ALSO BENEFITS US AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE ACTUALLY NEED.

SO IS IT CORRECT THAT AFTER YOU WIDEN THIS TRAIL AND YOU PROVIDE ACCESS OFF RICK'S CIRCLE, YOU'RE PREPARED TO INSTALL, UH, BALLARDS TO, UH, PREVENT ACCESS PURELY TO, TO REQUIRE ACCESS ONLY FOR SERVICE VEHICLES AND THEN THE HIKE AND BIKE ASPECTS OF THE TRAIL? YEAH, THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE WILLING TO DO.

AND THERE IS A LOT, THERE ARE A, AN AN ARRAY OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET AS FAR AS WHAT THOSE BALLARDS CAN LOOK LIKE.

WE WANT TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD LESS THAN ANYBODY ELSE EVEN WANTS TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD, I CAN ASSURE YOU.

SO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO AS FAR AS BALLARDS SIGNAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, PRINT ON THE TRAIL THAT CLEARLY DELINEATES, THIS IS FOR ENCORE USE ONLY, AS WELL AS THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL.

WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.

UM, ONCE THIS IS CONSTRUCTED, OUR TRAFFIC IS MINIMAL.

UM, MAYBE ONCE OR TIME, ONCE OR TWICE A MONTH WITH AN F1 52 50.

IT'S PICKUP TRAFFIC.

IT'S NOT HEAVY TRAFFIC UNLESS THERE WAS A CASE OF AN EMERGENCY THAT WE HAD TO COME IN THERE, UM, SAY IN AN EVENT OF A STORM.

BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WE, WE WOULD, WE WANNA RESTRICT PUBLIC ACCESS TO THIS ROAD AS, AS STRONGLY AS, AS YOU ALL DO.

AND OF THESE CHANGES THAT YOU HAVE, UH, NEGOTIATED WITH THE COMMUNITY, ARE ANY OF THESE PRESENTED, REPRESENTED IN THE PD THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO STAFF? THE P ARE THEY REPRESENTED? SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UM, SUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL, THE ADDITION OF THE SWITCH SWITCH HOUSE AND THE EXTENDED, UM, THE EXTENDED ACCESS.

SO, UM, ANY PD LANGUAGE OR ANYTHING, ANY UM, CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADD TODAY TO KEEP, TO GET A VOTE I'D, I'D BE WILLING TO ADD TO THIS.

BUT AS FAR AS THIS GOES, THIS, THIS IS JUST OUR SITE PLAN.

SO, SO THE ANSWER IS NO, THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTED IN WHAT YOU'VE, WHAT YOU HAVE UP THERE, CORRECT? WELL, THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE THE TREES AND EVERYTHING THAT EXIST TODAY THAT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT WE OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T PUT IN PD BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TOUCHING IT.

BUT, UM, BUT THE BALLARDS AND, UH, THE BALLARD, NO, THE BALLARDS WERE, WERE A NEW, UM, A NEW ADDITION.

THAT THAT WAS THIS MORNING.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

SO, GOTCHA.

I MEAN, IF, IF IT'S A CONDITION, THE, I I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS THINGS WITH CONDITIONS QUITE FREQUENTLY, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADD GOING FORWARD HA SHOW THAT, UM, BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET PASSED AND GET A A A YES VOTE ON TODAY.

SO JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, IT IS CORRECT THAT THE SWITCHBOARD, THE SWITCH BOX, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THAT'S GOING IN TO ALLOW YOU TO CUT DOWN ON THE OUTAGE TIMES, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REPRESENTED HERE.

THE DIMENSIONS AREN'T REPRESENTED, BUT YOU'D BE OPEN TO PUTTING THESE IN IN THE FUTURE AND MAKING SURE THESE ARE REPRESENTED FOR THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO STAFF, CORRECT? YEAH.

IF, IF WE NEED TO PUT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE NEW SWITCHGEAR ON HERE, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S EASY TO ADD.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD GET WITHIN THE DAY.

UM, I'D ABSOLUTELY BE OPEN TO THAT.

REPLACED WITH TREES OR TREES ARE REPLACED WITH SHRUBS.

THANK YOU FOR QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

UH, NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE TAKING SOME TREES OUT.

TREES ARE REPLACED WITH TREES OR TREES ARE REPLACED WITH SHRUBS.

UH, SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST PART.

I WAS DISTRACTED.

TREES ARE

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THE, THE EXISTING LIVE OAKS THAT WE DO HAVE TO TAKE OUT TODAY ARE ONLY ON THAT FRONT PORTION.

THERE'S THE KIND OF MIRROR ON THE BACK.

THOSE ARE NOT BEING TOUCHED.

THE ONES THAT WE DO UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO TAKE OUT, THEY WOULD BE REPLACED WITH SHRUBS TODAY.

AND THE REASON THAT IS, IS ONE, WE CAN'T GET THAT EQUIPMENT IN WITH THOSE AS THEY EXIST TODAY.

UM, AND TWO, THE, THE EQUIPMENT ACTUALLY WHERE THE NEW SWITCH GEAR WILL SIT, SITS ESSENTIALLY RIGHT WHERE THAT, I THINK IT'S FIVE OR SIX LIVE OAKS.

SO WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE.

SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TREES THAT WE, WE WOULD BE REMOVING AND THOSE WOULD GO BACK IN WITH SHRUBS THAT MEET OUR HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THE ACTUAL TREES THAT ARE THERE TODAY, THEY WOULDN'T BE SPECIES THAT YOU'D FIND IN OUR HIKING BIKE TRAIL WITH DOWS.

I'M SORRY, THEY WHAT? THE, THE TREES THAT ARE ACTUALLY EXISTING TODAY, THOSE AREN'T ACTUALLY SPECIES THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN THE HIKING BIKE TRAIL TODAY.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.

WE'RE NOT TOUCHING IT, BUT THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T GO BACK IN AND REPLACE WITH, YOU KNOW, LIVE OAKS AND INSTEAD WE'RE DOING THAT WITH SHRUBS.

I, I AGREE.

BUT BUT YOU COULD REPLACE 'EM WITH OTHER TREES, RIGHT? YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE 'EM WITH SHRUBS.

SO IT'D HAVE TO BE A SPECIES THAT MEETS OUR HIKING BIKE CHO.

AND THERE REALLY AREN'T OTHER OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ORNAMENTAL TREES.

THESE SHRUBS WERE CHOSEN JUST BECAUSE WHEN WE'VE USED 'EM IN THE PAST, THEY, THEY GET TO A GOOD HEIGHT.

THEY, THEY'RE PRETTY DENSE, THEY'RE PRETTY THICK.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY USUALLY ARE PINK OR PURPLE.

UM, THEY LOOK GOOD.

SO ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD REPLACE 'EM WITH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN OUR HIKE AND BIKE AGREEMENT.

OKAY, SO I'LL TAKE THAT AS A YES.

UH, YEAH.

AND SECONDLY, I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH COMMISSIONER LER IS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DOCKET REFLECT EXACTLY.

ALL, ALL THE, UH, AGREEMENTS AND ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THEY'RE FINALIZED.

WE HAVE THEM HERE IN THE DOCKET AND THERE, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT IN THERE TO DISCUSS THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST OR CHANGE OR ADD TO THE, TO THE SITE PLAN OR IS THERE NO, I MEAN WE WE'RE SHOWING THE EXPANSION.

UM, THAT'S ONE, THE, THE TRAIL, UM, COMING DOWN OUR RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S ANOTHER WE WOULD NEED TO ADD THE BALLARDS, UM, TO THE SITE PLAN OR AS A, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A CONDITION THAT'S, THAT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR US TO DO.

BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED THAT, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADD AND THAT I'M AWARE OF.

THERE, THERE ARE NO OTHER CONDITIONS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS? WHAT WE RECEIVED? NO.

AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN, NO PHYSICAL SITE PLAN.

WE'VE HAD QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE UM, WE MENTIONED, UM, EVERYONE'S, EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT THE NOISE.

SO NOISE IS NOT TYPICALLY A, A COMMENT THAT, THAT WE, OR A COMPLAINT THAT WE HEAR FREQUENTLY IN NORTH TEXAS.

UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT THOUGH RARE THAT YOU COULD HEAR AN AUDIBLE NOISE WITH THE, THE, UH, FACILITY THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN.

TYPICALLY, THOSE ARE DAYS WHERE THE LOAD IS VERY HIGH, IT'S VERY HUMID FOG, YOU KNOW, SOCKED IN WITH FOG, SOMETHING YOU'D FIND MORE DOWN IN HOUSTON, LOUISIANA.

UM, THOSE DAYS ARE RARE AND WE RARELY GET A COMPLAINT ON NOISE AS WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE PUT THESE FACILITIES IN.

UM, AND UNLESS, YOU KNOW, UM, MATTHEW HAS SOMETHING I'M MISSING THAT WE, WE FREQUENTLY IT'S COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S THAT? COMMISSIONER LER? YEAH, COMMISSIONER LER.

SORRY.

WE, UM, WE FREQUENT FREQUENTLY, YOU KNOW, GET ASKED ABOUT EMF.

UM, THE FACILITY THAT WE ARE ADDING WILL NOT INCREASE THE MEASURABLE EMF ON THE LOCATION.

THE, THE HIGHEST MEASURABLE EMF THAT YOU'LL GET IS FROM THE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING.

SO ADDING A FACILITY IN THAT AREA DOES NOT INCREASE THE LEVEL OF EMF THAT WOULD BE MEASURED.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, WE'LL GO STICK AROUND, BUT, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HIM SO MUCH, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE FRIENDS OUT HERE.

NO WORRIES.

SO, UM, A COUPLE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON THAT.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE DOCKET.

I WAS GOING BACK TO THE ONE THAT WE RECEIVED.

I UNDERSTAND.

I'M NOT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

SPEAKING LOUDLY ENOUGH TODAY, UM, WE RECEIVED A REVISED SITE PLAN ON JUNE 6TH.

SO THE JUNE 6TH PLAN IS THE ONE THAT'S IN OUR DOCKET.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND I THINK, AND I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY, YEAH, IT IS.

THAT LANGUAGE CORRECT? I GUESS COULD YOU REITERATE THE LANGUAGE YOU'RE DISCUSSING? SO YOU SAID NOT TO ENCROACH ON THE HIKING BIKE TRAIL AND WALKWAYS AND GREEN SPACES IN ANY WAY, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE SUP CONDITION IN OUR DOCKET.

THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE CORRECT PLAN.

SO IN THE DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE AND AREAS, ONE OF THE, OR THE CONDITIONS OF THE SUP, THE FOOTPRINT NOT TO ENCROACH UPON THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN BIKE TRAILS, WALKWAYS IN GREEN SPACE, BUT WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION THAT YOU'VE GOTTA REMOVE TREES IN ORDER TO GET THE NEW EQUIPMENT IN.

NONE OF THE LANDSCAPING IS SHOWN AND SO IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

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AND TO CHERISH SHA IT'S POINT, MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT LANGUAGE CORRECT BASED ON YOUR NEED TO REMOVE EXISTING TREES IN ORDER TO INSTALL THE EQUIPMENT, THE EXISTING TREES COMING OUT IS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S LANGUAGE ON THIS, ON THIS SITE PLAN, UH, TO BE, BUT YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN AND YOU HAVE SUP CONDITIONS, RIGHT? WHAT I JUST READ ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WILL BE PART OF THE SUP.

SO I JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE REFINED TO MAKE SURE IT REFLECTS THE NEED THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THIS WORK.

UM, SECOND QUESTION I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD IS I LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND THE TRAIL AROUND THE FACILITY.

IT IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES OF YOUR FOOTPRINT, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT CLEARLY INDICATED ON THE SITE PLAN.

WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? RIGHT.

THAT'S AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE TRAIL'S DEAD ENDING AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT, BUT THE TRAIL ROUTE AROUND THE FACILITY JUST I'M NOTING AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY.

AND THEN FINAL QUESTION, I HEARD COMMISSIONER LER MENTION THAT THERE'S SOME BOLLARD SETTER PLAN TO BE ADDED.

THOSE ARE NOT INDICATED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE, BUT YOU, IT'S YOUR INTENTION TO INSTALL THOSE AS A PART OF THIS WORK.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING, SO IT WAS NEW.

UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PLACE THAT ON HERE.

NO, BUT YEAH, I UNDERSTOOD.

BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE, I AMENABLE TO THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD THEN ADD TO THE CONDITIONS OR YOU WOULD ADD TO THE SITE PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.

UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.

I HAVE A, A MOTION AND A COMMENT IF WE CAN GET TO THAT.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE FOR QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GO TO STAFF AND THEN WE'LL GO TO A MOTION.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I SEE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

WELL, I GUESS I'M JUST, I, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE, ARE BEING PROPOSED.

AND SO THE 20 FOOT TRAIL THAT'S PROPOSED IS GENERALLY ON THE EXISTING, YOU'VE GOT THAT INDICATED, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GONNA ADD DIMENSIONS TO THE, UM, FACILITY FOOTPRINT SO THAT AGAIN, THAT 15,000 AND SOME CHANGE THAT'S IN THE CONDITIONS WILL BE REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN AS WELL.

AND THEN ON THE QUESTION OF THE LANDSCAPING, IS IT CORRECT, AND AGAIN, FOLLOWING UP ON CHAIR, SHE'S QUESTIONS, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT SHRUBS BACK IN, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO REASON WHY TREES REPLACING TREES REMOVED CONSISTENT WITH YOUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS WOULD BE AN OPTION.

THE ANYTHING THAT WOULD GO BACK IN WOULD MEET OUR HY BIKE TRAIL SPECIES REQUIREMENT? THAT'S CORRECT.

I THINK THAT WAS MY FINAL QUESTION.

AND I, I CAN REITERATE A LITTLE BIT ON THE, THE SHRUBS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD SHOWN THE, THE NEIGHBORS, THAT'S WHAT, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE PROPOSING THAT TODAY.

BUT JUST FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CELL TOWERS COME THROUGH, SO WE HAVE LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SCREENING AND PLANTINGS AND ALL THOSE RELATED REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S WHY I'M PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE ON THE PERIMETER WHEN YOU GET THROUGH AND PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE A TRAIL.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT.

COMMISSIONER HALL? YES.

UM, YOUR, YOUR ROADWAY THAT YOU'RE, YOUR 20 FOOT ROADWAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO ORIGINATE ON RICK'S, RICK'S, UH, COURT OR RICK'S CIRCLE? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IT'S, IS IT GONNA FOLLOW THE, THE MEANDERING CHARACTER OF THE TRAIL? YES.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE FOCAL POINTS OF MEETING WITH THE, UH, FRIENDS OF, UM, NORTH HAVEN TRAIL.

THEY, THEY REQUESTED THAT TO MAINTAIN THE, YOU KNOW, AESTHETIC AND FEEL OF A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL, WHICH WE AGREED TO DO.

AND THEN SHORTLY BEFORE YOU GET TO THE SUBSTATION SITE, THAT'S GONNA SPLIT BECAUSE THE TRAIL GOES AROUND THE SUBSTATION.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IS THE GATE TO GET ACCESS COMING, YOU'D HAVE TO COME IN RICK'S TO GET TO THE GATE? I I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT I HEAR YOU SAY? THAT'S CORRECT.

NOW AND NOT COMING IN FROM EDGEMERE? NO.

SO WILL ANYTHING BE DONE ON THE EDGEMERE SIGN? NO, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE EDGEMERE SIDE.

ON THE EDGEMERE SIDE.

TO, UM, I THINK IT WAS ROUGHLY, WAS IT 50 FEET? SO IT, IT WILL EXPAND SOME, BUT OKAY, SO A LITTLE BIT BIGGER PAD AND THEN THAT'S RIGHT.

AND WILL THE FOOTPRINT, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A CONCRETE, WELL I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONCRETE OR GRAVEL PAD, BUT WILL, THAT WILL EXPAND SOME? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IT'LL EXPAND IN, IN THE AREA THAT THE SWITCH HOUSE WE'LL SIT, SO IT WILL EXPAND

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AND THEN THE SWITCHES, UH, I SAW A, A PHOTOGRAPH OF 'EM THIS MORNING.

THEY LOOKED SORT OF LIKE A, UH, WHAT DO WE CALL 'EM? A CONTAINER? YEAH, LIKE A PREFAB SHED SHIPPING CONTAINER.

HOW MANY OF 'EM WILL THERE BE? IT'S, IT IS JUST THE, IT IS JUST THE ONE.

JUST ONE ONE SWITCH? YEAH.

YES, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MR. CLINTON? MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS, THAT YOU STATED THAT THE SITE PLAN TURNED IN ON THE SIXTH, DID NOT MEET STAFF'S APPROVAL.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO DID THE INITIAL SITE PLAN MEET THE APPROVAL? IT DID.

UM, SO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS CONTINGENT UPON THE SITE PLAN MATCHING THE SUP CONDITIONS.

UH, MYSELF AND THE APPLICANT WORKED TOGETHER TO GET THOSE LOCKED IN.

UM, AND THEN THE, THE REVISED SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED AND IT, IT CONTRADICTS WITH THE SUP CONDITIONS THAT WE AGREED TO.

DOES THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN CORRESPOND TO THE SITE AT THE SUP CONDITIONS? YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER C NONE.

COMMISSIONER LER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION, SIR? YES.

CHAIR IN THE MATTER, MATTER OF CASE Z 2 3 4 1 42.

I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JULY 25TH.

I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT IF THERE'S TIME.

WE DO HAVE LOTS OF SECONDS.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS FIRST COMMENTS COMMISSIONER REP.

SO I WANNA START OFF AND JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT.

I MEAN, THEY'VE MADE THEMSELVES VERY, UH, AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TOWARDS TAILORING THEIR PROJECT TO FIT THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF THIS SITE.

I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS TOWARDS PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE TRAIL AND MAINTAINING YOUR OBJECTIVE OF PROVIDING LIKE RELIABLE POWER AND REDUCING OUTAGE TIMES, WHICH IS A NEED THAT THIS COMMUNITY DEFINITELY HAS.

THAT SAID, THESE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE COME TO AT THE COMMUNITY MUST BE REFLECTED IN THE PD THAT IS SUBMITTED.

SO I'VE SPOKEN WITH STAFF AND WE AGREE THAT THE TWO WEEK TIMEFRAME IS SUFFICIENT TO GET THIS DONE AND, UH, PROPOSE A PD THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED IN THIS UH, SITE.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

COMMISSIONERS WILL GO TO CASE NUMBER 16.

[16. 24-2130 An application for a new tract on property zoned MMU Medium Mixed- Use Tract 2 within Planned Development District No. 631, the West Davis Special Purpose District, with Specific Use Permit No. 2452, on the south line of West Davis Street, west of Gilpin Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Denial. Applicant: Rocio Guardiola Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 1 Z234-149(MB)]

UH, THIS IS ITEM 16, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 49.

AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW TRACKED ON PROPERTY ZONED MMU MEDIUM MIXED USE TRACK TWO WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 31, THE WEST DAVIS SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 4 52 ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST DAVIS STREET, WEST OF GILPIN AVENUE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NILE.

EVERYTHING AND, UM, UH, IT IS JUST ONE PROPERTY WITH THREE DIFFERENT NUMBERS AND UM, IT'S WHAT I HAVE HERE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT, HI.

HI.

UH, MY NAME IS CIO OLA AND UM, I JUST WENT, UM, HAVE SOME PAPERS.

I HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS AND THE ADDRESS SINCE 19, UH, 98.

AND, UM, I HAVE THE, MY PAPERS HERE IF I WANT.

I WANNA SHOW YOU IF YOU CAN SEE IT.

AND I HAVE THE PERMIT AND THE COS AND

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I CAN, UH, SHOW THEM SOMETHING.

YES, ACTUALLY IF WE ARE THOSE COPIES, BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE, IF WE GET THAT IN OUR HANDS, WE HAVE TO KEEP IT FOR THE RECORD.

I, I HAVE TWO ORIGINALS IN 1998, SO I WANNA KEEP YEAH, NO, YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT TO US.

WE HAVE TO.

I'M JUST EXPLAINING TO HER THAT IT'S, UH, FOR OUR RULES, UH, OKAY.

IF WE GET IT IN OUR POSSESSION, WE HAVE TO KEEP IT FOR THE RECORD.

SO IF WE, SHE HAS A COPY, IT'D BE GREAT.

IF NOT, THEN SOME OF IT IS ORIGINALS AND SOME OF IT'S NOT.

IT'S IT'S DOCUMENTATION REGARDING THE OWNERSHIP AND TAXES.

AND, AND CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

IF YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN THEM, I CAN, BUT THEY, SOME OF THEM ARE ORIGINALS, SO LET'S KEEP THE ORIGINALS WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT.

UH, YOU CAN CONTINUE.

IT, IT JUST, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE BUSINESS SINCE 1998 AND, UH, AND THAT'S THE ADDRESS AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK AND, UM, ONE OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS WANT TO WORK IN THE, THAT SIDE AND WE MADE A SITE PLAN, UM, IN ORDER TO CONTINUE.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? THE T OKAY.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THIS ITEM? WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE.

IS SHE ONLINE? NO.

WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.

WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM OUR PERSON ONLINE, THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

UM, THIS IS, UM, MS. LOPEZ.

HELLO, MS. LOPEZ.

OKAY, WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

UH, YES, UH, I'LL, I'M JESSICA LOPEZ AND I LIVE IN 38 32 MOND STREET AND WHICH IS BEHIND THE PROPERTY OF THE AUTO AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

AND THEN IF THERE'RE GONNA BE CONSTRUCTION THERE BECAUSE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT CUTS DOWN ONE STREET AND THEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT STREET WHERE FORT WORTH AVENUE AND IT ENDS AND IT GOES THROUGH GILPIN.

THERE'S LIKE AN ISSUE THERE TOO WITH THE CARS 'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE A YIELD AND A STOP SIGN.

AND WHEN FORT WORTH AVENUE, UM, END, SOME CARS DON'T STOP.

AND THEN HAVING THIS STREET REMOVED GONNA CAUSE A LITTLE CHAOS FOR ME OH.

FOR THE AREA AROUND HERE.

AND THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THAT, UM, CHANGE.

AND THAT'LL BE ALL COMMISSIONERS.

PLEASE, UH, STAND BY.

THERE MAY YOUR QUESTIONS FOR YOU MS. LOPEZ.

COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHERNO, MS. OLA, UH, YOU, YOU AND I, UH, SPOKE A LITTLE BIT, UM, YESTERDAY AND AGAIN, THIS, THIS MORNING.

WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE TRANSLATE OR ENGLISH? ENGLISH? OKAY.

IT'S OKAY.

UM, IN ESSENCE, WHAT YOU'RE NEEDING IS APPROXIMATELY 15 TO 20 SPACES FOR PARKING ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF TRACK THREE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO AMENDING YOUR APPLICATION? SO WE ONLY INCLUDED THE EASTERN HALF OF TRACK THREE AND ALSO CHANGED THE, UH, SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE A RESTRICTION FOR A MAXIMUM OF 20 PARKING SPACES FOR CAR SALES.

YES, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE OKAY FOR YOU? YES.

AND IF WE REMOVED THE SERVICE COMPONENT YES.

FROM THE APPLICATION,

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COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR MS. LOPEZ? COMMISSIONER TURNER, PLEASE.

UH, MS. LOPEZ, YOU, YOU JUST MADE A COMMENT, SOMETHING ABOUT A STR A STREET BEING REMOVED.

I MAY HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY.

IS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT A STREET BEING REMOVED? YES.

THAT THE, THIS APPLICATION, THIS CASE DOES NOT IN, UH, INVOLVE ANY WORK BEING DONE TO PUBLIC RIGHTS AWAY OR STREET BEING REMOVED.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT, SO IS THERE COULD, UM, THAT'S WHAT I SEE HERE ON THE MAP.

LIKE THERE'S LIKE THE HALF OF THE DAVY STREET TAKEN AND WHEN, WHEN I CALLED THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE A STREET.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY TRYING TO DO.

I, YES, I THINK MAYBE YOU HAD, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WITH THE PERIMETER BOUNDARIES BEING DRAWN AROUND THE SUBJECT SITE.

UM, THAT SOMETIMES CAN BE CONFUSING, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NO WORK THAT'S BEING DONE WHERE THAT PERFORATED LINE IS, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WORK BEING DONE TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

OH, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A STREET TAKING OUT? NO, THERE'S NOT.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WHEN I SAW, UH, I THINK IT WAS BAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.

HE SAID THAT, BUT I GUESS HE MISUNDERSTOOD OR I MISUNDERSTOOD.

YES, IT APPEARS THERE'S JUST A MISCOMMUNICATION THERE, BUT JUST, UH, KNOW THAT THERE'S NO WORK BEING DONE ON THAT STREET.

WOULD REMAIN, THE SERVICE COMPONENT WILL REMAIN AND THERE WILL NOT BE, UM, I'M, I, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE SERVICE FROM THE EASTERN SIDE SO WE DON'T HAVE AN EXPANSION OF REALLY WHAT IS TYPICALLY THE CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND UH, UH, SERVICE.

SO THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION GOING ON? NO.

AND, AND JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON, IN OUR DOCKET ON SEVERAL OF THE EXHIBITS, THE WAY THAT THE, THAT, UH, PROPERTIES ARE PLACED HERE SOMETIMES THAT THE, THE HATCHET GOES TO THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, FOR EXAMPLE, ON, UH, UH, 9 21 AND 9 22, PARDON ME, 1622, THE LITTLE HATCHET GOES INTO THE STREET, WHICH, UH, GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S WORK GONNA BE DONE ON THE STREET WHEN IN FACT THAT'S JUST THE, THE WAY THAT THE, THE PROPERTY'S IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMM COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.

YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HERE.

UH, THE APPLICATION SAYS THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO EXPAND VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE, BUT COMMISSIONER CHERNOCK, YOU JUST MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT REMOVING THE SERVICE COMPONENT.

IS THERE ALREADY SERVICE BEING PROVIDED ON SITE? DO YOU WANT THIS OR YOU WANT ME? I I'LL TAKE THIS.

UH, ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THIS TRACT, THERE IS AN EXISTING BUSINESS THAT HAS VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE.

IT PREDATED THE AREA PLAN, SO IT WAS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO, UH, ITS OPERATIONS.

UM, AND HAVING SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT SEVERAL TIMES ON SITE, SHE DOESN'T ACTUALLY REALLY NEED TO MODIFY ANYTHING ON THAT PART OF THE TRACK.

WHAT HER, HER REAL INTENT IS, IS JUST TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL VEHICLE DISPLAY AND SALES ON THE EASTERN SIDE, WHICH IS AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT OPERATES UNDER A CO FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT.

AND IT'S A, UM, THE FA IT'S A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS AT THE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT.

THERE'S A BALLROOM EVENT CENTER.

UM, THERE'S, UH, TWO OTHER USES IN THE BACK.

THEY'RE LIKE BAR AND POOL TABLE.

IT'S A REALLY, REALLY NEAT FACILITY.

HAS A LOT OF SWEAT EQUITY FROM THIS FAMILY THAT DID EVERYTHING THEMSELVES.

AND, UM, THEY'RE JUST, SHE'S JUST WANTING TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES BECAUSE IT'S A FAMILY RUN BUSINESS AND THEY'RE WANTING A DAUGHTER, ANOTHER DAUGHTER WHO RUNS ANOTHER FACILITY OFFSITE WOULD LIKE, THEY WOULD LIKE HER TO BE ABLE TO RUN HER CAR SALES.

AND THEN THE OTHER DAUGHTER RUNS THE EXISTING ONE.

AND SO THE SERVICE COMPONENT

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AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, WELL, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO TIE IT TO THE SITE PLAN WHERE THE, THE PARKING SPACES ARE UP ON DAVIS, REALLY JUST THAT FIRST ROW.

UH, AND THEN ALSO I JUST WOULD ALSO DRAW ATTENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SITE IS OVER PARKED BY SOME 66 SPACES, WHICH IS JUST AMPLE, AMPLE PARKING HERE FOR EVERYTHING.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

CNF, COMMISSIONER TURNER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 1 49, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM.

SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES.

AND SECTION 51 P DASH 6 3 1 0.111.

THE MEDIUM MIXED USE DISTRICT VEHICLE DISPLAY AND SALES IS PERMITTED.

AND TRACK THREE ONLY VEHICLE DISPLAY AND SALES IS DEFINED TO MEAN A FACILITY FOR THE DISPLAY IN RETAIL SALE OF NEW OR USED AUTOMOBILES FOR A VEHICLE DISPLAY IN SALES, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF AUTOMOBILES THAT CAN BE DISPLAYED IS 20.

AND THE VEHICLE DISPLAY IN SALES USE IS PERMITTED IN THE EASTERN HALF OF TRACK THREE ONLY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MARK FOR MOTION.

ANY NEED THIS COMMISSIONER? CLARIFICATION.

CLARIFICATION.

WOULD THAT BE SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN? SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN.

AND REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND THAT WILL, WILL GET A AMENDED PRIOR TO ARRIVING AT CITY COUNCIL.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.

CAN I, YES.

ANOTHER CLARIFICATION IF, IF THE, THE NEW VEHICLE DISPLAY PARKING SPACES ARE TO BE ON THE EASTERN HALF OF TRACK THREE, DID YOU ALSO INTEND FOR THEM TO BE IN A PARTICULAR PLACE UP ON DAVIS STREET? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING SITE, SITE PLAN, UH, NOW THERE'S SIX SHOWN ON DAVIS, AND I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER 14 IN THAT FIRST ROW.

IF I'M GOING FROM MEMORY HERE, YEAH.

MM-HMM, .

SO THERE'S, THERE'S SIX IN FRONT OF THE BALLROOM AND THERE WOULD BE THAT, THAT NET, THAT ROW OF 14 ALONG DAVIS WOULD, UM, BE DEDICATED TOWARDS THE DISPLAY VEHICLE DISPLAY.

SPATES.

IT, IT WOULD BE ON THE PLAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO, SHE WOULD'VE TO FOLLOW.

IS THAT CLARIFIED? OKAY.

YOU OKAY WITH IT? ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO, UH, NOT FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION PER THE CHANGES WAS RENDERED THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK.

ALRIGHT, MR. BATE, NUMBER 17.

[17. 24-2131 An application for a Planned Development District for TH-3(A) Townhouse District uses and LO-1 Limited Office District uses on property zoned an MF-2(A) Multifamily District and an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Lake June Road, east of Saint Augustine Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a conceptual plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Greenleaf Ventures LLC, Kaizen Development Group LLC Representative: Victor Toledo, Greenleaf Ventures LLC Planner: Martin Bate Council District: 5 Z234-150(MB)]

UH, ITEM 17 IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 15.

AND APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT USES AND OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONE AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, AND AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF LAKE JUNE ROAD, EAST OF ST.

AUGUSTINE DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. BAD.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 17? ANY? IS THAT COMMISSIONER? OH, THAT'S COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

ON, ON SCREEN.

UH, JUST LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, JOINED US AROUND 3 0 5, UH, PM TODAY.

NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 17.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT.

SECOND CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 415, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLDING THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 8TH.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? NA, THE MOTION CARRIES.

[18. 24-2132 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a commercial amusement (inside) on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, on the north line of West Camp Wisdom Road, between North Cockrell Hill Road and South Westmoreland Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, for a five-year period, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Quineka Ragsdale, Ujima Socials Planner: Giahanna Bridges Council District: 3 Z234-179(GB)]

THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 34 DASH 1 79.

I'LL GO TO NUMBER 18.

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AND APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE ON PROPERTY ZONE.

A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD BETWEEN NORTH COWELL HILL ROAD AND SOUTHWEST MORELAND.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

HI, I AM QUIN RAGSDALE, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? UH, ONE 20 NORTH DENVER STREET, DALLAS, 7 5 2 0 3 OH, I'M SORRY.

ONE 20 NORTH DENVER STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 3.

AWESOME.

UH, SO YOU'RE JUST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? YES.

, UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? I, WE, WE WERE MOVING REALLY QUICKLY THERE AND I, I, YES, I HAVE A MOTION.

I WAS WATCHING YOU.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU KNEW THAT WAS, UH, THAT, UH, THE CASE WE WERE ON.

I DIDN'T REPEAT THE CASE NUMBER.

SO IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, SHE'S HERE.

NO, I HAVE, I HAVE A, UH, I HAVE A MOTION.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR MOTION.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO THE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA OF THE 22,150 SQUARE FEET AND THE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE FIGHT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITION.

UH, UH, WA WAS THAT 2200 AT SQUARE FEET? TWO? UH, 2150.

2150.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE UP PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION BEFORE A THREE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND STAFFS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

I ITEM NUMBER 19 IS KZ 2 3 4 180 2.

[19. 24-2133 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a handicap group dwelling unit on property zoned an R-10(A) Single Family District, on the southwest line of Knollview Drive, north of Belt Line Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, for a two-year period, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: New Horizon Homes, LLC Representative: Tucker Johnson Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 11 Z234-182(LG)]

AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A HANDICAPPED GROUP DWELLING UNIT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF NOLL VIEW DRIVE NORTH OF BUILT LINE ROAD STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STATUS'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

WE'RE READY FOR SPEAKERS IF YOU'RE, UH, UM, LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

THIS IS OKAY.

MY NAME IS ETTE DUBE AND I OWN THE PROPERTY IN 1 4 9 3 9 NOLL VIEW DRIVE IN DISTRICT 11.

AND, UM, YEAH, I'M HERE TO SEEK YOUR APPROVAL FOR THIS AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

UH, DID WE GET HER ADDRESS? NO.

CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? 1 4 9 3 9 NOLL VIEW DRIVE.

AND THAT'S IN DALLAS.

HELLO, THIS IS LISA GIBBONS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

COMMISSIONER A PLEASE.

HI.

UH, IN YOUR EXPERIMENT EXPERIENCE, UH, THERE'S, UH, A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT RESIDENTS IN THIS BUILDING.

DO THESE PEOPLE REQUIRE PARKING THEMSELVES? LIKE DO THEY TYPICALLY ALL HAVE CARS? NO, NONE OF THEM HAVE CARS.

AND, UH, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT IS THE, THE LEVEL OF CARE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING IS THERE ALSO LIVE-IN, UH, PEOPLE PROVIDING CARE AT THESE HOMES? THEY INCLUDED? WE DO NOT LIVE IN CAREGIVERS.

UM, WE ARE 24 7 OPERATIONS, SO ANYONE THAT'S WORKING THERE IS AWAKE AND WORKING.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEAVE.

AND CAREGIVERS.

SO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, THE, THE, THE TWO PARKING SPACES REQUIREMENT IS MORE THAN SUITABLE FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THIS? OH, ABSOLUTELY.

THANKS.

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I LIVE ON NORTHVIEW DRIVE IN DALLAS.

7 5 2 4 8.

HOLD ON, JUST STAND BY ONE MOMENT, MA'AM.

OKAY, I GOT YOU.

IS YOUR, IS YOUR CAMERA ON? UM, I THOUGHT SO, BUT I DO NOT SEE MYSELF ON THE SCREEN.

HOLD ON SECOND.

WE MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU.

IT SHOWS EVERYTHING IS ON.

LET'S SEE.

YOU MIGHT HAVE TO T ALL YOUR CAMERA ON AND OFF.

DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK WHILE I STILL TRY TO SCREW AROUND WITH THIS CAMERA? NO, I'M, I'M BEING SERIOUS.

I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME.

TRY TO MAYBE JUST PLAY WITH THE BUTTON A LITTLE BIT THERE IN YOUR CAMERA.

'CAUSE WE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT, UH, WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

SO WE, WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU UNLESS WE CAN SEE YOU.

WE'RE VERY PATIENT HERE ON THE PLAN COMMISSION, SO TAKE YOUR TIME.

UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT RIGHT NOW.

IT SAT HERE FOR TWO HOURS.

THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BUTTON THERE NEXT TO THE MICROPHONE ICON.

MS. GIS, I'M, I'M SORRY.

WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND IF YOU CAN GET IT WORKING BEFORE WE, WE, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU IN, IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.

WE DID GET SOME BALLOTS OF OPPOSITION STATING THAT THERE WAS A PARKING PROBLEM ON THIS STREET BECAUSE OF SERVICES THAT WERE ALREADY BEING PROVIDED AT THIS ADDRESS TO, UH, I THINK THEY REFER TO IT AS ASSISTED LIVING.

IS, IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT YOUR OPERATION OR IS THAT A FORMER OPERATION OR? IT IS MINE.

UM, SO THE STATE ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE, UM, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RESIDENTS MM-HMM.

BEFORE A CO O'S REQUIRED AN SUP MM-HMM.

UM, SO THAT'S CONSIDERED FOSTER CARE.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PARKING ISSUES THERE.

AND I BELIEVE, UM, THE WESTERN SURVEILLANCE DONE AS WELL AS PICTURES TAKEN, I I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY PARKING ISSUES.

IT, IT, IT, UH, I'M SPEAKING FROM MEMORY HERE 'CAUSE I'M NOT LOOKING DIRECTLY AT IT, BUT IT JUST SEEMED TO, UM, TO FOCUS ON THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WERE PARKING ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW, I GUESS VISITING, UM, THE INHABITANTS OF THIS PARTICULAR ADDRESS AND, UH, BLOCKING GARBAGE PICKUP AND, YOU KNOW, JUST CAUSING A PROBLEM IN THAT RESPECT.

BUT YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF, OF THOSE, THAT SITUATION.

AND GARBAGE IS PICKED UP IN THE BACK ALLEY.

OH, BULK TRASH.

RECEIVE SOME RESPONSES AND OPPOSITION.

BULK TRASH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PUT OUT ON THE CURB, THEIR BRUSH, THEIR LIMBS, THAT SORT OF THING, BUT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

ANY OTHER QUE? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE? WELL, UM, AS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAD NOTED, WE DID

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HAVE YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH YOUR, UM, NEIGHBORS, UM, ON THIS CHANGE IN USE AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT YOUR REQUEST? UM, I HAVE WITH SOME OF THEM AND, UM, SOME THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO ACCESS AND THEY WERE ALL IN FAVOR.

THE ONES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO.

AND SO, UM, AS YOU'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE UTILIZING THE FACILITY CURRENTLY AND THEN YOU'RE SEEKING THIS SUP, UM, COULD YOU JUST WALK THROUGH MAYBE YOUR OPERATIONS AND, AND HOW, HOW YOU'RE INTEGRATING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? OKAY.

SO WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY TYPE B, AND WE ARE LOCATED IN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING SPECIFICALLY SO THAT, UM, SENIORS CAN HAVE THE DIGNITY OF AGING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY LIVE IN AND NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE A PART OF.

UM, MY FAMILY'S BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2006, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS QUITE A WHILE, UM, IN MCKINNEY AS WELL AS IN DALLAS, WHERE WE HAVE TWO OTHER LICENSED, UM, OPERATIONS.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY, OTHER THAN BRINGING, UM, SENIORS CLOSER TO THEIR FAMILIES AND BEING IN A SAFE SMALL BOUTIQUE, UM, LOWER CAREGIVER TO RESIDENT RATIO, I MEAN, THE ADVANTAGES TO THAT AS OPPOSED TO BEING IN AN INSTITUTIONALIZED ENVIRONMENT THAT A LOT OF LARGER FACILITIES THAT ARE OFTEN CALLED AND, UM, SENIORS DON'T GET THE KIND OF CARE THAT THEY NEED.

THE KIND, THE ADVANTAGE TO THAT, UM, IS JUST REALLY INCREDIBLE.

NOT ONLY FOR THE SENIORS THEMSELVES, THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR PRIMARY CAREGIVERS, AS WELL AS, UM, JUST THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

SO THINK ABOUT IT, UM, WHEN, UM, AN ELDERLY PERSON OR ONE OF OUR CAREGIVERS IS WALKING AN ELDERLY PERSON DOWN THE STREET, KIDS GET TO SEE THAT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I MISSED WHEN I MOVED TO THIS COUNTRY, IS JUST SEEING OLD PEOPLE.

THEY SEEM TO BE RELEGATED SOMEWHERE WHERE I NEVER SAW THEM FOR MANY YEARS.

SO TO JUST BE ABLE TO HAVE A JUST REALLY NORMAL COMMUNITY WHERE, UM, THERE IS NO AGEISM OR AGE DISCRIMINATION, I THINK IS GREAT.

AND WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY LOUD PARTIES.

WE DON'T HAVE PARTIES AT ALL.

HER PROPERTIES ARE WELL MAINTAINED.

UM, WE ARE INCENTIVIZED TO MAINTAIN THEM VERY WELL.

AND SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A LOT OF GREAT SERVICE FOR SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

AND I, I THINK REALLY ALL I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THERE'S PERHAPS JUST BEEN SOME, SOME PARKING OR SOME ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES AND WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT INCREASING NUMBER OF ROOMS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, CORRECT? OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PARKING ISSUES.

WE DID CELEBRATE A HUNDRED AND, UM, TWO YEARS.

UM, ONE OF THE LADIES HAD A HUNDRED, WAS CELEBRATING A HUNDRED AND TEARS.

SO SHE HAD A LOT OF FAMILY COME AT THAT TIME.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THE TIME.

AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN ANY NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCE.

IF YOUR GRANDMOTHER WAS TURNING A HUNDRED AND TEARS, I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, THANK FAMILY WOULD SHOW UP FOR THAT.

UH, MS. GIBBONS, DID WE GET HER CAMERA WORKING? NO, MY FAULT.

I DISAGREE, BUT IT'S MY FAULT.

MY APOLOGIES.

UH, I APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

IF THERE, THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER LER YES.

IN THE MATTER OF, UH, CASE 2 3 4 1 8 2, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER LER AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER LER, I JUST WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT.

IT'S A WONDERFUL SERVICE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING AND YOU HAVE AN EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH PROVIDING ELDERLY RESIDENCE RESIDENTS A PLACE TO AGE GRACEFULLY, SAFELY, AND IN A WARM, COMPASSIONATE ENVIRONMENT.

AND I THINK WE NEED MORE OF THAT IN COMMUNITIES SO WE CAN KIND OF MOVE AWAY FROM THE INSTITUTIONALIZED SYSTEM THAT IS ALTOGETHER TOO PREVALENT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU MR. RUBIN.

CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH DISABILITIES AND INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, DESERVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, FULL AND EQUAL RESIDENTS OF OUR VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS.

FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER LERS COMMENTS, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION HERE.

AND I THINK THE FACT THAT WE REQUIRE AN SUP WHEN, UM, TWO OF THESE ARE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF EACH OTHER IS SORT OF A UNFORTUNATE ASPECT OF OUR CITY CODE.

IT, IT, UM, IMPOSES UNNECESSARY COSTS ON OPERATORS WHO HEAVILY REGULATED BY THE STATE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT OUR SENIOR

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AND THIS SUP REQUIREMENT STANDS IN THE WAY OF THAT HAPPENING.

UM, I KNOW IT USED TO BE EVEN WORSE AND THESE, THESE WERE REQUIREDS WERE REQUIRED FOR ANY HANDICAPPED GROUP HOMES.

SO WE TOOK ONE STEP IN THE, THE RIGHT DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CODE REWRITE COMING UP, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SUP FOR THESE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, PLEASE.

UM, THANK YOU.

I TOO COMMEND YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, UM, FOR OUR SENIORS IS SO NEEDED IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

I KNOW THERE ARE A DA RULES AROUND THIS AT THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS AS WELL.

SO AS COMMISSIONER RUBIN, VICE CHAIR RUBIN MENTIONED, LOOKING AT LEGISL, UH, OUR OWN CODE CHANGES AS WE MOVE FORWARD ARE GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO YOU IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

UM, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO, UM, PROVE, UH, BETTER, UM, SITUATION OR GET LONGER, UM, THAN THE TWO YEARS THAT YOU'VE BEEN AWARDED TODAY.

SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR WORK AND COMMISSIONER LER FOR YOUR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEE YOU.

NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM NUMBER 20 IS KZ 2 3 4 180 4.

[20. 24-2134 An application for 1) a Planned Development Subdistrict for MF-2(A) Multifamily Family Subdistrict uses; and 2) the termination of deed restrictions [Z767-200] on property zoned an NO(A) Neighborhood Office District and an R-10(A) Single Family District, on the southeast corner of South Cockrell Hill Road and Blue Ridge Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a development plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Palladium USA International, Inc. Representative: Maxwell Fisher, AICP, ZoneDev, LLC Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 3 Z234-184(LG) (Part 1 of 2)]

AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DIS SUB DISTRICT FOR MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY, UH, DISTRICT USES.

AND NUMBER TWO, THE TERMINATION OF D RESTRICTION Z 7 6 7 200 ON PROPERTY ZONE AND NO, A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT AND R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH CORA HILL ROAD AND BLUE RIDGE BOULEVARD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

YOU'LL SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION WE'D LIKE TO SHARE.

IF WE COULD PUT THAT UP PLEASE BEFORE OUR CLOCK CLOCK STARTS.

MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND IT REALLY QUICK AT THE SAME TIME, A MINUTE.

THERE IT IS.

MAXWELL FISHER.

SO WE ADVANCE IT OURSELVES IF YOU COULD.

MM-HMM, , I WILL SHARE IT.

LET ME JUST SHARE, LET ME GET IT POPPED UP.

YOU CAN USE THE CLICKER, THE KEYS, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS MAXWELL FISHER, 2 5 0 2 VIEW DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 5 0 8 0 REPRESENTING PALLADIUM USA.

WE ALSO HAVE TOM, WHO, OUR CEO OF PALLADIUM TO FINISH THE PRESENTATION AND ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH ME AS WELL.

WE ARE EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU.

PALLADIUM IS A, IS A, A GLOBAL COMPANY WITH OVER 150 YEARS EXPERIENCE.

UM, THE THING THAT SETS PLENUM APART OTHER THAN ALSO THEIR US HEADQUARTERS BEING LOCATED IN DALLAS IS THEY ARE SELF-MANAGED.

SO WHEN WE DEVELOP PROPERTY, WE ARE LONG-TERM MANAGERS AND OWNERS.

SO IT'S EASY TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL US IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES.

UH, WE DO NOT SELL PROPERTIES, UH, HARDLY EVER.

THIS PARTICULAR SITE, IT'S A 5.3 ACRE SITE.

UM, IT'S ZONED A COMBINATION OF OFFICE AND SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IT, IT'S NOT REALLY GOOD FROM A MARKET STANDPOINT.

WE THINK THAT SENIOR AGE RESTRICTED LIVING, IT'S A BETTER USE HERE GIVEN THE, THE GRADE OF THE SITE.

THERE'S A STEEP GRADE DOWN THE COCKRELL HILL.

UM, THE SITE'S BEEN UNDERUTILIZED FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE FOR THE PROPERTY, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO BOTH DART BUS STATION, DORIS BERRY PARK, AND THEN ALSO GROCERY TO THE NORTH.

UH, ON KEY.

HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.

THIS WOULD BE AN AGE RESTRICTED LIVING OF 62 AND OLDER.

SO THE IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC, ET CETERA, A VERY LOW COMPARED TO A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

IT'D BE 120 UNITS, FOUR STORIES, UM, WITH $265,000 PER HO PER HOME, PER UNIT.

UM, ON ONSITE MANAGEMENT, WE'D HAVE A PORTE CCHE FOR OUR SENIORS AND SECURITY FENCING.

THERE'D BE ELEVATOR, UH, INTERIOR CORRIDORS AND A RANGE OF AMENITIES THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH IN OUR PICTURES IN, IN A MINUTE.

THAT INCLUDES THEATER, GAME ROOM LIBRARY, BUSINESS AND FITNESS CENTER, AND SEVERAL OUT OUTDOOR AMENITIES INCLUDING, UM, A RESORT POOL, A PAVILION, PICKLEBALL, COURT AND GARDENS, AND RAISED PLANTERS FOR OUR SENIORS.

UM, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A GREAT SITE.

WE'RE OVER 250 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEAREST SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S SORT OF SOME BUILT IN FEATURES WITH A, A NATURAL BUFFER TO OUR WEST FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST, UH, ACROSS CROCKWELL HILL.

UM, AND THEN SOME OF OUR OTHER IMMEDIATE ADJACENCIES ARE NON-RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS A SCHOOL, UM, ENDORSED BERRY TO THE

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SOUTH.

GRADE IS A CHA IS A CHALLENGE ON THIS SITE.

UM, WE ARE ASKING TO, UH, WAIVER FROM A SIDEWALK ALONG RAE HILL BECAUSE THE GRADES ARE VERY STEEP.

UM, IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO FLATTEN IT OUT AND DO SOME RETAINING WALLS.

IT JUST WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT GIVEN OUR, OUR DETENTION POND HAS TO BE WHERE IT'S LOCATED ALONG COCKRELL HILL.

UM, AND THERE THE GRADES ARE, ARE VERY STEEP, STEEP ALONG THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

NOT TO MENTION THERE'S PARK PROPERTY, UNDEVELOPED PARK PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH WITH NO SIDE SIDEWALK AS WELL.

SO THERE'S NO LOGICAL CONNECTION OF A SIDEWALK ALONG THERE.

WE ARE PROPOSING A SIDEWALK, UM, ALONG BLUE RIDGE THAT WOULD CONNECT OR LEAD PEOPLE TO BOTH THE SCHOOL, TO THE, NOT THEY'RE GONNA SCHOOL, BUT, UM, TO THE DUST, TO THE, UH, DART BUS STATIONS, UM, TO ROE HILL.

UM, AND THEN NORTH HERE IS OUR RENDERING.

THIS IS WHAT IT ACTUALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM COCKER HILL.

UM, IT'S BOTH, UM, HAS BOTH VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL ARTICULATION.

I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A RESORT BUILDING.

TIME IS UP, SIR.

TIME IS UP.

WRAP UP NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY, I'LL LET INTRODUCE TOM.

PRESIDENT, CEO HIM USA CHAIR.

COMMISSIONERS GREAT FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY CITY PLACE, I GET GOOSEBUMPS.

'CAUSE YOU WERE A PIONEER WHEN YOU BUILT THAT.

WE WERE PIONEERED WHEN WE BUILT THE VERONA HIGH RISE ACROSS FROM THE GALLERY IN DALLAS.

GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT RIGHT HERE, WE GOT A THEATER.

WE GOT A COMMUNITY KITCHEN.

THESE ARE VERY HIGH-END DEVELOPMENTS.

ACCESSIBLE POOL WITH THE RAMP SO THE SENIORS CAN GO RIGHT DOWN TO THE RAMP AND INTO THE WATER AND GET OUT SAFELY.

GATHERING SPACES.

RAISE PLANTER GARDENS, WHICH ARE SENIORS.

LOVE COMMUNITY CENTER, NINE FOOT CEILINGS, HARD FLOOR SURFACES, 42 INCH UPPER CABINETS BUILT IN WOOD SHELVES UNDER MOUNT SINKS.

AND IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON.

WALK THE, THE BIGGEST THING HERE ARE THOSE TAKEAWAYS.

THE WALK-IN SHOWERS, EVERY UNIT HAS A WALK-IN SHOWER.

SO OUR SENIORS AREN'T GONNA BE TRYING TO STEP OVER A BATHTUB TO GET IN.

WE HAVE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

CLIFFWOOD CHURCH OF CHRIST ON 2 6 24.

AND AT PALLADIUM REDBIRD, WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS ON SIX 12 OF 24, WE GOT AN EXCELLENT REPUTATION.

WE DELIVERING BEST IN CLASS.

PALLADIUM WILL BE LONG, LONG-TERM OWNER.

WE HAVE BUFFERING THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

SENIOR LIVING IS AN EXCELLENT USE OF THE LAND.

GIVEN THE GRADE CHANGES, WE WILL PAY PROPERTY TAXES, AGE RESTRICTED 62 AND OVER.

CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT IN FEBRUARY, 2024.

CITY STAFF SUPPORTS THIS REQUEST.

THIS MEETS THE HOUSING NEEDS FOR SENIORS.

THERE'S THE RENDERING.

AGAIN, CHAIR, YOU WILL LOVE THIS RENDERING AS BEING AN ARCHITECT.

THIS IS A FANTASTIC DEVELOPMENT.

VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD.

WE'RE GOING WAY OUTTA THE BOX ON THIS.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO SLIDE SIX, IF I MAY BEFORE I RUN OUTTA TIME.

THERE WE GO.

GREAT CHALLENGES RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THIS.

FROM THE BACK OF OUR PARKING, WE ARE AN ELEVATION OF 6 65 TO COCHRANE HILL ROAD.

WE ARE AT 6 43.

THAT'S A 22 FOOT DROP IN TOPOGRAPHY AND ABOUT 40 FEET.

OKAY? AND THAT AREA, WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING RETAINING WALLS TO BUILD IN THE DETENTION AREA.

OUR DETENTION AREA WILL BE FENCED.

NO ONE'S GONNA FALL ON IT.

OKAY? NONE OF THE SCHOOL CHILDREN ARE GONNA FALL IN IT.

AND WE'VE ALSO HAVE IT FENCED ALL THE WAY AROUND AS WELL.

WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE AMENITIES IN THIS AREA, BUT THE GRADE IS TOO CHALLENGING.

WE DON'T WANT OUR RESIDENTS, WE DON'T WANT OUR SENIORS WALKING DOWN AND FALLING DOWN.

THIS 22, YOU KNOW, FOOT DROP OFF AN ELEVATION, UNFORTUNATELY.

OKAY? AND SO WE ARE ABLE TO DESIGN ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE IN MORE SWING POOL, FITNESS CENTER, COVERED PAVILION, HIGH SPEED INTERNET, PICKLEBALL, COURT, THERE YOU GO.

THEATER ROOM, LIBRARY ACTIVITY, ROOM, RACE, PLANTER BEDS, BIKE PARKING SIDEWALKS ON ROE HILL.

WHEN THE CITY PUTS IN A SIDEWALK ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.

AND WHEN THE CITY PUTS IN A SIDEWALK ALONG THE, THE PARK ADJACENT TO US, WE'LL PUT IN A SIDEWALK.

OKAY? THANK YOU, SIR.

THE TOPO IS TOO CHALLENGING.

YES, NOBODY'S DONE IT IN THAT AREA.

A RETAINING WALL WOULD'VE TO BE SIX FEET TALL.

KEITH AL, 3001 CELL STREET, 4 0 9, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I WAS THIRD CHAIR AND I THOUGHT WOULD, I'D HAVE A CHANCE TO FINISH THE PRESENTATION OF IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, CHAIR NUMBER ONE AND TWO DID IT FOR ME.

SO, UH, I'M JUST HERE TO STAND IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION, AND I APPRECIATE FROM YOU.

UH, WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION WITH, UM, OKAY.

WE, WE GOT MR.

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MS. BRADSHAW.

ABOUT, UH, JANET BERRY.

IS THERE, GOOD AFTERNOON.

JEANETTE BERRY 72 0 2 SOUTHWEST MORELAND ROAD, APARTMENT 1106, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 7.

I STRONGLY SUPPORT BUILDING SENIOR HOUSING FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

WE KNOW THERE'S CONTINUED TO BE A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SENIORS.

PALLADIUM HAS SHOWN THEIR COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR DALLAS RESIDENTS.

THIS SENIOR HOUSING IS NEEDED, AND I ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS REQUEST FOR SENIOR LIVING FACILITY IN THE SOUTHERN DOCTOR, SOUTHERN SECTOR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? NOT IN SUPPORT.

WE'RE READY FOR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.

UH, MY NAME'S CURTIS REDMOND.

I LIVE AT, UH, 3 5 2 2 GUADALUPE AVENUE.

UH, I AM APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT SITE.

UM, I THINK THAT, UM, IT IS NOT A GOOD USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

UM, WITH THE CURRENT, UH, USE OF, UM, FAMILIES IN THE AREA, UH, WE'VE HAD A SIMILAR, UH, PROPOSAL ABOUT, UM, 1500 FEET DOWN GUADALUPE, UH, GUADALUPE AVENUE.

AND WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE WE MET THE DEVELOPER AND WE SOUNDLY REJECTED IT.

SAME PRO, UH, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, OLDER FOLKS.

UH, AS FAR AS THE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT, UH, SOUNDLY REJECTED.

NOW WHAT YOU DON'T SEE HERE IS BLUE RIDGE AVENUE IS, UM, A VERY STEEP HILL.

UH, IT'S BLIND AT THE TOP.

IT'S A HORRIBLE PLACE TO PUT, UM, ENTRY OR EXIT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

UH, GUADALUPE, IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT ANYWHERE ON COCKRELL HILL IN THIS AREA, OR AT, UH, THE SIGNAL LIGHT, GUADALUPE BECOMES A DETOUR STREET, WHICH MEANS WE GET, EXCUSE ME, WE GET THE TRAFFIC, INCLUDING 18 WHEELERS AND ALL THAT.

SO WE REALLY HAVE A CONGESTION PROBLEM.

UH, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE ALREADY PARKING, DOUBLE PARKING, PARKING ON SIDEWALKS, PARKING IN THEIR, IN THEIR YARDS.

UM, UM, I THINK THAT THE INCLUSION OF A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, THE POPULATION LIKE THIS, WOULD ONLY ADD TO THE CONGESTION, WHICH IS ALREADY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH.

SO, BEING THREE HOUSES FROM THE CORNER, 400 FEET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, I STRONGLY OPPOSE, UH, THIS SITE, UH, FOR THIS USE.

HELLO.

UM, MR. THOMAS MELTON HERE.

UM, ALEXIA CRAWFORD, UM, 36 0 6 COPPER HILL DEVELOPMENT.

I AM ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE SELLER OF THE PROPERTY.

HE'S HERE WITH ME TODAY.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.

UM, HE AND I AND, UM, EVERYBODY, UM, FROM HIS CONGREGATION ARE STRONGLY, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

HE, UM, THE CONGREGATION ORIGINALLY PURCHASED OR ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, UM, IN HOPES OF DEVELOPING, UH, THEIR CURRENT CHURCH LOCATION.

HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY DID NOT WORK OUT FOR THEM.

THEY STARTED DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND DECIDED TO MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION.

HOWEVER, THAT LOCATION IS STILL WITH IN LESS THAN 10 MILES OF THIS LOCATION.

SO IT JUST GOES TO TELL YOU AND SHOW YOU HIS CONGREGATION'S COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND HE IS STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

HE AND THE CONGREGATION FEEL LIKE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD NEED THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND IN MY COMMERCIAL EXPERIENCE, THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING NEW DEVELOPMENT TO THE AREA, WHICH I'M NOT SURE HOW FAMILIAR YOU GUYS ARE WITH THE AREA.

THE AREA NEEDS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

IT NEEDS GROCERY STORES, IT NEEDS NEW RETAIL.

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AND NORMALLY IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS BRINGS MORE, UM, DEVELOP POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND AGAIN, ALSO FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT, I, I'VE ASSESSED THE LAND.

I DON'T SEE ANY OFFICE BUILDING, UM, BEING BUILT THERE FOR A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY'VE UM, MENTIONED TODAY.

UM, AS WELL AS IT'S JUST MORE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL THAN IT IS COMMERCIAL OFFICE.

AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE STRONGLY SUPPORT AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL APPROVE THIS FINAL, UM, UM, CHANGE, CHANGE CHANGE TO THE ZONING.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION? YES, SIR.

MY NAME IS THOMAS MELTON.

I'M THE MINISTER AT CLIFFWOOD CHURCH OF CHRIST.

UH, CLIFFWOOD HAS BEEN IN, UH, IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1959.

UH, WE HAVE BEEN IN THE AREA SINCE 1985, AND WE ARE EXCITED TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TO BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PALLADIUM.

WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE SEE A LONG TERM ADVANCEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT WE SEE OUR CONGREGATION GROWING BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND NOT ONLY DO WE SEE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY, UH, WE SEE RESTORATION IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, ROE HILL IS BEING RESTORED.

UH, LUKE 12 IS BEING BUSINESSED, MEANING THAT BUSINESSES IS COMING TO LUKE 12, SOUTH, LUKE 12.

AND WE, BEING A CHURCH, UM, WE ARE IN THE COMMUNITY TO UPLIFT AND DESIRE TO UPLIFT THE COMMUNITY.

AND PALLADIUM IS ONE OF THE PARTNERS WITH US TO UPLIFT THIS COMMUNITY.

AND AGAIN, MY NAME IS THOMAS MELTON.

WE ARE AT 46 30 EXCHANGE SERVICE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKERS LEFT ONLINE ON THIS ONE.

GEORGE? NO.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.

UH, YES, THIS IS JUST FOR PALLADIUM.

UH, YOU SAY RETIREMENT HOUSING, IS THIS ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE, ET CETERA, OR JUST STRICTLY, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE MOBILE AND, AND SO FORTH, PEOPLE WHO ARE MOBILE THAT DO NOT NEED HELP ASSISTANCE WITH LIVING.

THEY'RE JUST HAVE, THEY HAVE TO BE 62 AND OLDER, BUT THEY, THEY'RE FUNCTION ON THEIR OWN.

AND, UH, HAVE YOU JUST, WE HEAR ABOUT PICKLEBALL COURTS OCCASIONALLY ON THIS COMMISSION.

THEY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, SO, SO YOU, WHAT ABOUT OPERATING HOURS FOR THE PICKLEBALL COURTS? UH, I MEAN, WOULD THEY DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT.

THANK YOU, MAXWELL.

WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I WANT MY SENIORS OUT THERE AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT PLAYING PICKLEBALL.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT ACTIVITY FOR THOSE AMENITIES.

WE, WE SHUT THOSE DOWN.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

IT'S MOST LIKELY IT'S NOT GONNA BE AT THE, YOU KNOW, A LIT PICKLEBALL.

LIKE IF WE SHUT DOWN OUR POOL AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WE'LL SHUT DOWN THAT.

AMEN.

AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AS WELL.

UM, ALL OF OUR, MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT WORKING.

AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT, WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS, UM, I THINK WE HEARD A CONCERN EXPRESSED JUST ABOUT HOW THE PROJECT WILL BE ACCESSED POTENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

I SEE THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING DRIVE APPROACH OFF OF COCKRELL HILL.

UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A GREAT CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, BUT IT CLEARLY, THERE THERE IS AN ACCESS THERE TODAY.

WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF INTEGRATING A SIMILAR ACCESS TO HELP MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL OVERFLOW TRAFFIC THAT MIGHT FEED BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY? YEAH, DUE THE GRADES, IT'S DIFFICULT TO HAVE AN ACCESS POINT DIRECTLY TO ROE HILL.

UM, AND WE DO HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS ON BLUE RIDGE.

WE HAVE A FULL ACCESS POINT AND AN EXIT ONLY ON YOUR, ON OUR EASTERN ACCESS POINT.

A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO NOTE ABOUT ABOUT OUR TRAFFIC IS WE DID DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 390 TRIPS.

AND WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO A, A TYPICAL MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH, WHICH USUALLY HAS 250 UNITS OR SO, WE'RE ABOUT ONE EIGHTH THE TRIP GENERATION OF THAT TYPE OF FACILITY.

MOREOVER,

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SO WE'RE NOT ON THE STREETS DURING SCHOOL OR, YOU KNOW, DURING, DURING THE PEAK HOURS OF THOSE, OF THEIR, OF THE, OF THE ROAD ADJACENT ROADWAY.

UM, NOT TO MIN ALSO OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

WE WERE ONLY REQUIRED TO STUDY, UH, ONE INTERSECTION, WHICH IS THE COCKE HILL AND BLUE RIDGE.

AND THAT SORT OF TELLS YOU THAT OUR, OUR TRAFFIC IS SO LOW.

A LOT OF TIMES ON TIAS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE EVALUATING MULTIPLE INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH AN IMPACT.

BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S SO SMALL AND IT BASICALLY SHOWED THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UH, NEGATIVE IMPACT.

THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD BE, WOULD REMAIN THE SAME AT OUR INTERSECTION.

UM, THERE'S SOME SIGNAGE WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING UP JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADE ON BLUE RIDGE, BUT THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT IT AND, AND THEY'VE OKAYED OUR, OUR REQUESTS AND, AND, AND DO NOT HAVE FURTHER CONCERNS.

SO, AND I MEAN, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS OF TOWN THAT HAVE SIMILAR GRADE CHALLENGES AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO INTEGRATE NOT ONLY DRIVE ACCESS, BUT ACTUALLY, UM, WORKED IN SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES.

UM, I DO, I DID SEE THAT YOU'VE, YOUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY SOUTH, OTHER SIDE OF THE PARK, AGAIN, PROBABLY NOT THE IDEAL CONDITION, SIDEWALK, LARGER CHAINING WALL, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT WOULD BE ONE SOLUTION.

BUT AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN OTHER PROJECTS MORE CREATIVELY THINK ABOUT THAT.

IS THAT ANYTHING YOU ALL HAVE EXPLORED? SO THIS SITE IS NOT AN URBAN SITE.

I THINK SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES AND, AND THE, THE BOX CONDITIONS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED ARE FOR MORE OF A, AN URBAN SETTING.

THIS IS SUBURBAN.

NOT TO MENTION OUR GRADE KIND OF DISCONNECTS US FROM ROE HILL, AND THE GRADE IS A CHALLENGE FOR, FOR A SIDEWALK THERE.

WE ARE GOING, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON BLUE RIDGE.

WE'RE GONNA BE REPLACING THAT.

IT'S UP AGAINST THE CURB, WHICH IS NEVER A GOOD LOCATION.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN A NEW SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, FIVE FEET OFF THE STREET CURB.

AND THAT WILL, UM, WE THINK THAT'S WHERE THE BEST USE OF A SIDEWALK, IT WILL CONNECT AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO, TO CONNECT TO THE BUS STOPS.

UM, THERE.

BUT PUTTING A SIDEWALK ALONG RAE HILL JUST IS IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S INFEASIBLE AND I THINK THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE'S NO SIDEWALK SOUTH OF US, UM, ON THE PARK CITY OWNED PARK PROPERTY.

AND SO HOW DO, HOW WILL RESIDENTS ACCESS, FOR INSTANCE, THE PARK? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

HOW, I KNOW I, MY MIC IS TOO FAR AWAY TODAY AND I CAN'T GET IT ANY CLOSER.

UM, IS, IS THERE ANY ABILITY TO ACCESS THE PARK FROM YOUR SITE? UM, THERE'S NO DIRECT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION BECAUSE THERE'S AN INTER INTERVENING PRIVATE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE PARK, UH, AND OUR SITE.

OH, SORRY, I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE MAP, SO MY APOLOGIES.

I MISSED THAT.

YEAH, YEAH.

THERE'S NO DIRECT CONNECTION.

IF THERE WAS SOMETHING FEASIBLE THERE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN IT.

HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING TODAY? UH, THIS IS, IS THIS YOUR FIRST SENIOR HOUSING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? YES.

WE ENGAGE A, A THIRD PARTY THAT WORKS FOR THEIR MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT PUTS ALL OF OUR ACTIVITIES TOGETHER FOR US.

IT'S OUR FIRST SENIOR.

WE'VE HAD A HANDFUL OF FAMILY, UM, WHICH KNOW YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH ONE OF THEM AND OR MULTIPLE.

UM, SO THIS IS, AND I, AND I DO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS MAINTAIN YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT.

UM, SO WITH THIS BEING A SENIOR FACILITY, WILL YOU BE, UM, AND I KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT 62 AS OLD, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE NOT DOING SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US 62, SOME OF US OLDER THAN 62 CAN STILL DO, UM, , LIKE GIVING US RAMPS TO POOLS.

UM, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT.

WILL, WILL YOU BE HAVING A, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS USUALLY HAVE AMENITIES THAT ARE AGE APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR FACILITIES.

SO WILL YOU BE HAVING THOSE SAME TYPE OF AGE APPROPRIATE, UH, UM, SERVICES FOR THE SENIORS IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR IN THIS FACILITY? YES, THIS IS, UM, THIS PACK I AMEN.

PACKAGE IS MORE SENIOR FOCUSED.

SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE PLANTER BEDS, WHICH WE DON'T OFFER IN THE FAMILY, UM, FACILITIES.

AND THEN WE HAVE LIBRARY, AND THEN WE HAVE KIND OF A COMMUNITY GATHERING AREA SO OUR SENIORS CAN GATHER AND HAVE A SOCIAL PLACE TO GATHER, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF LIVING IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS AS OPPOSED TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AS YOU GET OLDER.

OH, WILL YOU GUYS ALSO BE OFFERING SERVICES THAT ALLOW FOR, UM, LIKE, UM, SOMEONE TO COME IN AND DO LIKE, LIKE EXERCISES OR THINGS LIKE THAT? WITH, WITH WITHIN YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EX YOUR, UH, JAZZ EXERCISE? LIKE JAZZ EXERCISE OR WE DO HAVE A FITNESS CENTER.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC, UM, EXERCISE PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF TOM WANTS TO ELABORATE.

YEAH, SO IT ALL DEPENDS.

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AND SO IF, IF YOU WANNA SEE WHAT, HOW GREAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AND WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, YOU CAN GO TO GARLAND.

GARLAND'S SENIOR LIVING.

IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.

YOU'RE GONNA WALK INTO THAT PROPERTY, YOU'RE GONNA SAY THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

UM, AND SO WE USE THE THIRD PARTY, THEY SUBSCRIBE TO THE SERVICES, WE'RE MANDATED TO PERFORM THOSE SERVICES.

WE GOTTA KEEP THE SERVICES UP AND ALL THE SERVICES ARE VALIDATED BY A THIRD PARTY.

OH, IS THIS ALSO ON A, IS THIS A FOR, WOULD THIS HAVE A AFFORDABLE, UH, IT SHOULD SEE A AFFORDABLE COMPONENT TO IT AS WELL.

IT WILL.

I KNOW IT'LL BE A MIXTURE.

UH, I HAVE A COUPLE, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU GENTLEMEN.

AND, AND JUST, UH, YOU DIDN'T QUITE GET THAT ANSWER ON THE, ON THE MICROPHONE.

THE ANSWER WAS THAT THERE, THERE IS GONNA BE A MIXTURE.

YES, THERE IS SOME MARKET RATE UNITS.

YES, THERE ARE MARKET RATE UNITS.

IT'S BOTH, BOTH AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE.

SO 27, 27 UNITS WILL BE MARKET RATE 27%.

27%, SORRY, 27% IS GONNA BE MARKET RATE.

OH, THIS IS, THIS IS NEW.

27.

WE HAVE 30% MARKET RATE UNITS RIGHT HERE.

WE HAVE 27.

THE SIZE ISN'T THE SAME.

WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE, BUT THAT'S ALL WE COULD FIT ON THIS SITE BECAUSE OF TOPOGRAPHY.

INTERESTING.

HOW MANY TOTAL UNITS? 1 21 2120.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE I'M GOING.

SO YOU HAVE ROUGHLY FIVE AND A HALF ACRES HERE.

YOU'RE UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT CODE FOR A FIVE AND A HALF ACRE SITE AND YOU LOOK AT DENSITY, YOU GET A NUMBER.

IN FACT, YOU GET A NUMBER THAT'S MUCH LARGER THAN 120.

AND YOU, YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR 120.

SO THAT'S ONE SIDE.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH ON THIS, ON THIS SITE AS WELL AS WORK WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

SO COMBINE THOSE TWO, WHY NOT 300 UNITS ON FIVE AND A HALF ACRES? WHY IS IT 120 AND IS THAT CONNECTED TO THE INPUT OF THE COMMUNITY? YEAH, I MEAN, IF WE WOULD HAVE TWO TO THREE TIMES, UM, THE NUMBER OF UNITS, WE WOULD HAVE THAT MUCH MORE IMPACT ON THE AREA.

I MEAN, THIS SITE IS CHALLENGING AND, UM, HAVING 120 UNITS, IT, YOU KNOW, THE, IT ALLOWS THE STAFF TO BETTER SERVE THE RESIDENTS AT THAT SCALE VERSUS A LARGER DEVELOPMENT, THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 22 UNITS AN ACRE.

SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE DENSITY GIVEN THE, UM, PREVAILING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IN THE AREA AND THE, AND THE SITE.

SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT, UH, THE, THE 120 THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT IS THE ASK IS, IS IS TAKES AWAY FROM THE BASE ZONING FOR THE, FOR THE AREA THAT IS BLIND TO THE SPECIFICS OF YOUR CASE AND OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE BASE ZONING FOR THIS NUMBER OF ACRES IS THE SAME HERE AS IT IS IN NORTH DALLAS AS IT IS.

BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GOT INTO THE ZONING PROCESS AND YOU STARTED MEETING WITH, WITH THE COMMISSIONER, WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, AND WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT STARTED TO FORM YOUR CASE AND THIS IS HOW YOU REACHED THE 120, CORRECT? YES.

AND OUR, OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, DOING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ALLOWS US TO LIMIT THE DENSITY, BUT ALSO WE CAN RESTRICT THE AGE TO 62 BECAUSE RETIREMENT HOUSING'S USUALLY 55 AND OLDER.

SO WE COULD DO BOTH OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE IT'S A MORE PALATABLE REQUEST AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT? UH, COMMISSIONER ? COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I THINK WE, WE LOST YOU AND I THINK WE GOT YOU BACK.

UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SELL OR TO CREATE THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THEIR PROPERTIES THERE.

STARTING MY VIEW.

OKAY, HERE I GO.

SO I, EVERYONE, I'M TRAVELING AND I'M TRAVELING FOR SUCH A, SOMETHING JUST LIKE THIS, UM, WITH THE, SO IS A FLAT ONE 20 OR YOU ALL WOULD NOT CONSIDER PRO? UM, BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY THAT YOU CAN GET AND YOU'RE OFFERING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND BECAUSE, UM, A, A CHURCH IS THE ONE THAT IS SELLING IT.

AND, AND WE ARE LOOKING AT PROPERTY, LOOKING TO CHURCHES WHO HAVE LAND TO EITHER

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UH, IS THE ONE 20 A HARD OR WOULD THE, OR COULD THAT BE INCREASED TO ONE 50, TO 1 75 ARE, ARE ONE 20 IS A SET NUMBER.

WE HAVE OTHER APPLICATIONS LIKE THROUGH THE STATE AND SO TO MEET THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT OF OUR APP, OF OUR PROPOSAL, WE ARE SET AT ONE 20.

AND YOU CANNOT GO OVER THAT.

WE CANNOT ON THIS SITE.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT OTHER SITES AND PROVIDING IT POSSIBLY ANOTHER GREAT DEVELOPMENT NEARBY.

I WILL, I WILL BE IN THE COMMENT SANCTION, MAKE SURE, UH, COMMISSIONER SHA MAKE SURE I CAN GET MY COMMENT IN .

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS FOR UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE, SIR? YES.

SO, UM, I, I KNOW YOU GUYS HEARD US EARLIER, LET'S, CAN I TAKE A MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT THE DETENTION POND, WHICH WILL BE IN THE FRONT OF YOUR SITE, RIGHT? THIS WILL BE AN A WATER AMENITY OR WOULD IT JUST BE A MOSQUITO? NO, IT WILL BE A DETENTION POND.

DETENTION POND IS USUALLY ONLY FULL OF WATER RIGHT AFTER A, A STORM OR A RAIN, RAIN EVENT.

UM, SO IT WILL BE DRY MOST OF THE TIME.

IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER THAN COCKRELL HILL, SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE ANY SORT OF, EVEN IF YOU'D ENTERTAIN A, A POND OR A POND COULD GO THERE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM COCKE HILL ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE STEEP GRADE.

YOU WILL SEE A GRASSED HILL THAT HAS SOME RETAINING WALLS WITH SOME LANDSCAPING, SOME TREES IN FRONT OF IT.

UM, AND SO IT WILL BE DETENTION, SO IT WILL NOT BE FULL MOST OF THE TIME.

A SIDEWALK ALONG THAT RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WE ARE PLANNING ON REPLACING THE SIDEWALK WHERE WE THINK IT WOULD BE USED, WHICH IS ON BLUE RIDGE, IN ADDITION TO THE LANDSCAPE STREET BUFFER THAT, UM, WOULD MEET TODAY'S REGULATIONS.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF MAKING THAT A RETENTION POND VERSUS DETENTION, UM, BECAUSE OF THIS PROXIMITY TO THE, THE, THE, THE FRONT OF YOUR SITE, UM, NOT ONLY FOR YOUR RESIDENTS BUT THE OTHER RESIDENTS AROUND? YEAH, IF IT, IF IT WAS A RETENTION POND, I MEAN, ONE, WE WE, IT, IT COULDN'T BE A RETENTION POND THERE, THERE JUST, THERE WOULDN'T BE A, WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO KEEP WATER IN IT, BUT, BUT ALSO IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A LIABILITY BECAUSE IF IT WAS A POND THEN SOMEONE COULD FALL IN IT.

UM, MOREOVER THE GRADE IS SUCH THAT IT'S, YOU WOULDN'T, IT'S, YOU WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO BE SEEN FROM OUR INSIDE THE FACILITY BECAUSE OF THE GRADES ARE SO STEEP ON COCKE HILL.

SO, UM, OUR, IN THIS CASE, IT HAS TO BE A DETENTION POND THAT WILL NOT BE, IT WILL ONLY BE HOLDING WATER AFTER A RAIN EVENT.

AND WHAT'S THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THIS DETENTION POND FROM THE SITE PLAN? IT'S PRETTY HUGE AND TAKES UP A LARGE SPACE.

AND ONCE AGAIN, DETENTION PONDS HISTORICALLY IN OUR AREA HAVE NOT BEEN CONVENIENT OR CONDUCIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE SPACE THAT IT ACQUIRES AN ACRE.

IT'S, I AM A VERY APPROXIMATE HALF ACRE TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.

UM, WITH DEVELOPING SITE AT ALL, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A DETENTION POND WHERE THE DETENTION POND IS.

UM, ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE HAVING A CERTAIN A, A COMPARABLE COVERAGE FROM A PARKING AND BUILDING COVERAGE STANDPOINT.

UM, SO THE DETENTION POND AS IT'S SHOWN, WOULD BE THERE WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING.

GOTCHA.

SO HOW CAN YOU MAKE THAT DETENTION POND AND AMENITY OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND NOT A LIABILITY TO THE CITY? WELL, IT WOULD NOT BE A LIABILITY.

IT WILL DEFINITELY BE SCREENED AND WILL BE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE PERIMETER, ALONG OUR STREETS.

UM, AND THEN THERE WILL ALSO JUST BE THE, THE GR ITSELF WILL HAVE A LANDSCAPE RETAINED, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE A GRASS AREA WITH, WITH RETAINING WALLS.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK BAD OR IT'S, IT WON'T BE A LIABILITY TO THE CITY.

UM, IT'S REQUIRED TO MEET OUR STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS AND, AND WE WILL BE LANDSCAPING ALONG OUR PERIMETERS TO MEET, YOU KNOW, PER THE, PER ARTICLE 10.

YEAH, IT, UNFORTUNATELY, PERIMETERS ARE FINE.

IT'S BETWEEN THE PERIMETERS THAT GROW UNDER BRUSH AND OTHER TROUBLE THAT ARE, UM, HIGHLY CONCERNED TO ME.

BUT, UM, MOVING ON, UM, THE, THE SIDEWALKS ALONG COCKER HILL, UM, WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN, WE'VE SEEN THEM UP ACROSS THE CITY.

THERE ARE SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING AROUND YOU THAT ARE GOING TO ADD DENSITY TO THIS STREET AT THE END OF GUADALUPE AND AT THE END OF BLUE RIDGE.

UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UH, UH, I KNOW YOU KEEP CALLING IT SUBURBAN.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE URBAN SPRAWL THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT AROUND TWO CURTAIN? YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE AWARE OF SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT'S HAPPENING AROUND US, THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAVE A GREAT ISSUE HERE ON WITH, WITH COCKE HILL AND PUTTING IN A SIDEWALK ALONG THAT, THAT RIGHT OF WAY, WE WOULD PREFER TO NOT PUT

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AND LASTLY, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A GROCERY STORE NEARBY.

WE, YOU HAVE, I I'M HAVING TROUBLE, I KNOW THERE'S A CLEARANCE CENTER, BUT THAT CLEARANCE CENTER DOESN'T KEEP FRESH PRODUCE, MILK, EGGS ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, IT'S MORE AIMED AT PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING BULK DO, IS THAT THE STORY YOU'RE MENTIONING? YEAH, THAT WAS THE STORY WE WERE REFERRING TO.

UM, APPRECIATE ANOTHER FRUSTRATED ARCHITECT.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

ONE FOLLOW UP ON THE DETENTION POND.

IT APPEARS BASED ON THE DEPTH, UM, THAT YOU'RE LIKELY GOING TO REQUIRE HAVING FENCING AROUND THAT.

HAVE YOU HAD ANY PRELIMINARY REVIEW WITH ENGINEERING? YES.

YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A, A DECORATIVE FENCE OF SOME KIND AROUND THAT FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT IN ADDITION TO OUR FENCING OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

SO I THINK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S POINT, UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT THAT REMAINS INTEGRATED.

AND I KNOW IN THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU SHOWED US, IT HAD A VERY NICE BLUE FOUNTAIN LIKE FEATURE IN, IN THE FRONT OF IT.

UM, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF A DISCONNECT FROM WHAT'S LIKELY GONNA BE THE REQUIREMENT OF, OF THE FUNCTIONAL INSTALLATION OF THAT DETENTION.

OUR ARCHITECT RENDERER GOT A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY ON THAT.

WE WE WILL DEFINITELY UPDATE THAT.

UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A COMMISSIONER WANTS TO SPEAK.

UH, IS THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER? COMMISSIONER WHEELER, YOU, UM, YES, YES, PLEASE.

SO, I, I BRIEFLY, I WAS IN THE REPORT AND I I I DID CATCH ON THAT YOU ALL WERE SAYING THAT YOU ALL WILL PUT A SIDEWALK IN WHEN THE CITY PUTS ON FOR THE PARK.

UM, UM, WITH THIS HAVING, UM, UM, AS COMMISSIONER HERBERT SPOKE THAT THERE IS AN URBAN SPA THAT'S GOING ON.

UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT AT THAT POINT THAT YOU ALL WILL PUT THAT SIDEWALK IN, UM, WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS ALREADY GOING ON NOW AND HOW COULD WE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU PUT IT IN NOW THEN VERSA LATER? YEAH, MAXWELL JUST SAID, TOM, YOU GOTTA ANSWER THAT ONE.

UM, VERY FAIR QUESTION.

VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION.

SO WHAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN AGREE WITH, WITH STAFF NOT TO HOLD UP THE VOTE TODAY TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO AN ESCROW.

AND WHEN THE CITY PUTS IN THEIR CURB, AND REALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO DO IS TO PUT IT ON OUR SIDE OF ROE HILL NEXT TO THE PARK, DOESN'T DO ANYBODY ANY GOOD TO PUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ROE HILL WHERE THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

SO THE CITY PUTS IN A SIDEWALK NEXT TO THE PARK, OKAY? THERE, THERE'S JUST ONE SECTION OF LAND BETWEEN THE CITY OWNED LAND ON ROE HILL, OUR OWN LAND ON COCKLE HILL.

THEN THERE'S INTERSTITIAL SPACE BETWEEN US.

SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

WE SAW BIGGER THINGS THAN THAT.

SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT, IT KINDA DOES, BUT IT, ONE OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU ALL PUT ON THERE WAS THE PROXIMITY TO THE PARK.

SO IF THE RESIDENTS WOULD WANNA WALK TO THE PARK THEN, AND, AND TO, TO GIVE THEM SOME, UM, A, A A BIT OF SECURITY.

NOW WHY NOT INSTALL THE, AND AND, AND I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, ONE OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING THAT IS, UH, IS GREAT FOR YOUR PROJECT IS THAT THE PROXIMITY TO THAT PARTICULAR PART.

AND LIKE I SAID, THERE, THERE'S A PIECE OF LAND BETWEEN OUR LAND AND THE CITY PARK THAT WE DON'T OWN.

THE CITY DOESN'T OWN.

SO WE CAN'T PUT A THOROUGHFARE, WE CAN'T PUT A SIDEWALK ON WHAT WOULD BE THE FAR EASTERN SIDE OF THAT OKAY.

NEXT TO THE PARK BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T OWN THAT LAND.

THERE MAY BE A, AND I'M SURE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY AN EASEMENT IN THAT AREA NEXT TO COCKRELL HILL.

JUST RIGHT AWAY OR RIGHT AWAY.

THAT, THAT THERE COULD BE THE ABILITY TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK THERE AT SOME POINT.

COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OH, PLEASE, YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

HE QUESTIONS FOR THE FOLKS IN OPPOSITION AND I APOLOGIZE, SIR, I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME.

MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? UH, TOM HEATH.

OH, MY NAME, I'M SORRY.

GENTLEMAN.

OPPOSITION.

I'M, I'M GOING BEYOND YOU.

KEITH.

KEITH PALM MCCAW? NO, .

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OH, I'M SORRY AGAIN.

NO, MY NAME IS CURTIS REDMOND, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TODAY.

SO I JUST, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOUR CONCERN WAS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF HOW BLUE RIDGE OPERATES, UM, AND YOU'RE ON GUADALUPE THAT YOU'RE HAVING CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I THINK WE'RE HEARING THEM, THERE'S SOME GRADE ISSUES YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE LIVING IN THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY.

HEARING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UM, NUMBER OF UNITS AND THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT.

DOES THAT HELP ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR CONCERNS OR WAS THERE OTHER CONTEXT TO HOW THE SITE CIRCULATION IS WORKING? UM, NO, IT'S ACTUALLY WORSE THAN MY CONCERNS.

UH, WE HAVE A DAILY TRAFFIC JAM ON BLUE RIDGE.

EXCUSE ME.

I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WITH PUBLIC SPEAKING, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

BUT, UM, DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS, THERE IS, UM, A TON OF TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET OFF OF COCKER HILL UP BLUE RIDGE TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF.

UM, WHEN I COME HOME, UM, I'M USUALLY HAVING TO WAIT IN LINE TO GO UP BLUE RIDGE WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING AN ENTRY OR AN EXIT.

UH, THERE'S ALREADY A LINE OF CARS GONNA BE SITTING THERE, SO PEOPLE CAN'T ACTUALLY GET IN OR OUT UNTIL THAT LINE MOVES.

SO I THINK THAT IT WORSENS THE SITUATION RATHER THAN HELPS IT.

UH, AL HILL THERE IS A DEDICATED TURN LANE, SO YOU CAN'T PUT ENTRY OR, OR EXIT THERE, UH, UNLESS YOU BACK WAY, WAY UP, UH, GOING SOUTH, WHICH IS TOWARD THE PROPERTY THAT HE SAID HE THAT THEY DON'T OWN.

SO THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T WORK.

UM, THE ONLY OPTION WOULD BE THAT I CAN THINK OF, UH, WOULD BE GO FURTHER TOWARD THE SCHOOL AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL CROSSING, UH, WITH ALL THE KIDS AND FAMILIES AND RESIDENTS OF THE AREA.

SO WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE IS WE DID HAVE A HEARING, UH, WITH A PROPOSAL SUCH AS THIS, BUT IT WAS ON THE OPPOSITE END OF GUADALUPE.

UH, IT WAS A HEARING THAT WE HAD IN THE EVENING, SO WE HAD ALMOST A HUNDRED RESIDENTS COME OUT AND WE ALL REJECTED IT.

I MEAN, IT WAS JUST SOUND REJECTION, THIS IS NOT GONNA WORK.

UM, I AM OLD ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE, BUT I'VE STILL ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED THIS IT SHOULDN'T BE PUT THERE.

IT'S, IT'S A NICE PROJECT.

I GRANT YOU, IT SHOULDN'T BE PUT IN THIS LOCATION.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.

AND IF I HAVE A A SECOND, I WILL, UM, MAKE A COMMENT, UM, UH, MOVE TO, UM, KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE AUGUST, SORRY, AUGUST 22ND MEETING.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

GOTCHA.

UM, THIS, THIS, THIS AREA IS A VERY SELECTIVE AREA AND I HAVE WORKED WITH PALLADIUM IN DETAIL, UM, FOR, FOR A YEAR AND A HALF MAYBE NOW.

UM, IT, IT, MANAGING OF THE PROJECT, THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT ON MY CONCERN, GETTING MY NEIGHBORS ON BOARD OR OR TO SOME COMPROMISE IS IMPORTANT.

AND THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARING THE VOICES OF THE NEIGHBORS.

SO I WANT TO GIVE ME MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS WITH THEM.

UM, AND EVEN WITH THE TEAM ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, MITIGATION EFFORTS FOR THAT AREA.

UM, THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE, UM, I DON'T WANT IT, WE DON'T WANT IT.

IT'S ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS, UM, THAT LIVE THERE CURRENTLY AND ESPECIALLY THE STUDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO THE SCHOOL.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I, I MADE THE MOTION TO HOLD COMMISSIONER.

MAY, MAY I SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? BECAUSE WE HAVE A BIG ISSUE HERE NOW.

YEAH, I'M SORRY.

DEFERRED, SIR, WE, WE, WE DON'T ALLOW SPEAKERS AT THIS POINT.

WE HAVE A, WE DON'T GO BACK TO SPEAKER.

SO WITH DEFERRING THAT, SORRY, MY APOLOGIES IF THIS IS

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NOW IT'S JUST TIME FOR COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAK.

MY APOLOGIES.

IT'S THE WAY THE RULES ARE.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, AS I DO RESPECT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT IS IN A, IS IN A TIME, UH, WANT TO SPEAK WITH THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE LONGER.

I ALSO THINK THAT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT IS NOT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER.

IT IS ON THE ISD OR WHATEVER SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THERE IS GOING TO NEED TO BE A PROPERTY, SOME TYPE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE UP ON THE SUP WHERE THEY ARE NEEDING TO THERE.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR, UH, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.

I AM LITERALLY OUT OF TOWN, TOOK IT UPON MYSELF TO GO TO FIVE CITIES.

AND ONE OF THE CITIES THAT I WENT TO WAS DC IN HOPES THAT, UM, HEARING THAT A CHURCH IS THE PROPERTY SELL, UH, IS WHO ACTUALLY IS SELLING THIS PROPERTY, UM, GIVES ME HOPE.

UM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN, IN, IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WHO OWNS THE MOST PROPERTY PER CAPITAL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS? AND OFTENTIMES IT IS CHURCHES AND NONPROFITS WHO ARE HOLDING LAND AND WITHOUT A NECESSARILY, UM, IDEAL OF WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

UM, AND, AND, UM, DC, INDIANA, NEW YORK, I MEAN NEW JERSEY, UM, AND THEY ARE ALL, AND CAL AND LA ARE ALL WORKING WITH CHURCHES TO EITHER SELL THEIR LAND OR TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THEIR LAND.

AND, UM, THIS, IF THIS WAS A REGULAR APARTMENT COMPLEX, I REALLY, REALLY, UM, TO UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.

BUT THIS IS A SENIOR PROJECT AND I, THERE IS A COUPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS WE WOULD SAY, UM, IF YOU WOULD SAY, UH, A REGULAR APARTMENT COMPLEX.

SO I DEFINITELY, UM, SUPPORT COMMISSIONER HERBERT ON WANTING TO SUPPORT, UM, AND GET MORE INFORMATION.

BUT WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR SENIORS AND THOSE WHO ARE AGING IN PLACE, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO STAY? UM, THIS IS RIGHT, THIS IS A MAIN CORRIDOR, UM, A A A, A SENIOR LIVING WITH JUST 120 UNITS.

WHEREAS IF IT WAS IN A REGULAR APARTMENT COMPLEX, ASKING THREE TO 400 UNITS, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE COM UH, WOULD, WOULD BE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE AT, AT VAST.

BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD HOPE, AND I WOULD LOVE TO ATTEND WHATEVER MEETING COMMISSIONER HERBERT ASKED, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, A CHURCH WAS ABOUT TO BUILD HERE AND ADD ANOTHER CHURCH, AND IT'S DEAD TO, TO HAVE THIS PROJECT BECOME A HOUSING AND HELP WITH OUR, UH, AGENT IN PLACE.

UH, I AM VERY, VERY INTRIGUED ON THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

ORDINARILY, UM, I WOULDN'T MIND SUPPORTING A MOTION TO HOLD, BUT I'M FAMILIAR WITH AT LEAST TWO OTHER HOUSING PROJECTS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE DIED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS BECAUSE THE CITY WAS TOO SLOW.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS DEVELOPER WAS ABOUT TO SAY, BUT I'M GUESSING HE WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT EITHER HIS LENDING IS IN JEOPARDY OR SOMETHING ELSE IS IN JEOPARDY, AND WE'RE ABOUT TO KILL ANOTHER PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED, AFFORDABLE SENIOR LIVING.

SO I'M WONDERING IF WHATEVER OTHER COMMUNITY MEETINGS NEED TO TAKE PLACE COULDN'T HAPPEN BETWEEN CPC AND COUNCIL, PARTICULARLY SINCE COUNCIL'S ON BREAK.

AND THIS ISN'T GOING TO GET TO COUNCIL UNTIL, YOU KNOW, AUGUST ANYWAY.

END AUGUST, END OF AUGUST.

UH, IF IT'S A PROJECT THAT THE COMMISSIONER SUPPORTS, COULDN'T WE MOVE IT ALONG AND HAVE THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO TIGHTEN UP WHATEVER LOOSE ENDS ARE DONE AT, AT THAT JUNCTURE INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO HOLD UP THE PROJECT? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

AND, UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW COMMISSIONER HERBERT INTENDED TO BE WITH US HERE TODAY, BUT HE, HE HAD SOME THINGS THAT HE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF.

AND THIS IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF THE DIFFICULTY WITH HAVING SOME OF US ONLINE IN THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT CANNOT CONNECT WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

AND SO THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, NEW THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE HEARING THAT CREATED QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE FOR THE COMMISSIONER THAT IF HE WAS IN THE CHAMBER, HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO JUST IRON THOSE OUT IMMEDIATELY AND, AND MAKE A, A, A QUICKER DECISION.

SO WHY DON'T WE TABLE THE ITEM FOR THE MOMENT AND ALLOW COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO DISCUSS WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DISCUSS WITH OUR ATTORNEY, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND THEN SEE WHERE WE ARE THEN.

UH, MAYBE NOTHING CHANGES, MAYBE SOMETHING CHANGES AND I'M SORRY WE CANNOT TAKE MORE PUBLIC INPUT.

I, I I WOULD RATHER YOU DENY IT.

PARDON ME.

I FOR IT.

I THINK HE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND TABLE.

YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT QUITE YET.

WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO IT LATER ON IN THE HEARING.

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SAY TODAY? YEAH, TODAY, YES.

WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT FOR TODAY.

WE'LL DO 21 AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.

AND AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES, BUT THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE, THE DIFFICULTY WITH HAVING SOME OF OUR FOLKS ONLINE AND, UH, AND AGAIN, AT NO FAULT OF HIS, HE'S GOT SOME THINGS HE'S TAKEN CARE OF THAT ARE, UH, VERY IMPORTANT.

SO, WE'LL, WE'LL TABLE THE ITEM FOR THE MOMENT.

WE'LL COME BACK, UH, AND WE'LL CIRCLE BACK HERE IN THE FEW MOMENTS.

[21. 24-2135 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a commercial amusement (inside) on property zoned Subarea 4 within Planned Development District No. 316, the Jefferson Area Special Purpose District, on the south line of Sunset Avenue, between South Madison Avenue and South Zang Boulevard. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a two year period, subject to a site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: David Giron Planner: Liliana Garza Council District: 1 Z234-188(LG)]

UH, LET'S READ NUMBER 21 INTO THE RECORD.

THANK YOU, MS. GARZA.

ITEM NUMBER 21 IS Z 2 3 4 180 8.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE 16, THE JEFFERSON AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF SUNSET AVENUE BETWEEN SOUTH MADISON AVENUE AND SOUTH ZANG BOULEVARD.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STATUS, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 21 ON PAGE SEVEN.

I THINK WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ONLINE.

MR. HE'S ONLINE.

WE'RE READY FOR YOU, SIR.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, MY NAME'S, UH, DAVID.

HI, I'M THE APPLICANT.

UM, MY ADDRESS IS 1 4 6 5 TEMPLE CLIFF DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 7.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER CHERNO, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO.

MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 180 8 LG, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HARA FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? MUTED.

WE ARE RECORDING COMMISSIONERS.

ANY THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

CLOSE IT OR LET'S JUST COME BACK AT, UH, FOUR 30 COMMISSIONERS.

IT IS 4:48 PM AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.

GEORGE, ARE WE RECORDING?

WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER 20 Z 2 3 4 180 4.

DANIEL, WE DON'T NEED TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD AGAIN OR SH DO WE? OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS THIS, UH, CASE NUMBER 20 IS BACK ON THE TABLE AND, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE GO TO A MOTION? AND THIS IS, UH, ITEM 20 Z 2 3 4 180 4.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? DO IF I HAVE A SECOND, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT.

UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 8 4, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M SORRY, SECOND? YES.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.

UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 8 4, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES.

A DETENTION PLAN MUST ALSO BE IT USED FOR RETENTION AND MUST INCLUDE A WATER FOUNTAIN FEATURE OR TREES AROUND, I MEAN IN TREES AND OR TREES AROUND EVERY 40 LINEAR FEET.

A SUBJECT, UH, WR IRON FENCE IS REQUIRED AROUND THE DETENTION POND.

UM, THAT, THAT ENDS MY MOTION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMENTS.

UM, THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S ISSUES ARE, UM, RELEVANT.

UM, I THINK WITH THE ADDED DENSITY AROUND THIS AREA, CONCENTRATION ON THE TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.

UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO FOCUS AND WORK WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO IMPROVE.

I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM IN THIS AREA SPECIFIC, AND, UM, WE WANT

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TO HONE IN ON, ON GETTING THE TRANSPORTATION TOGETHER NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND KNOW WHAT'S ON THE GROUND.

I THINK THIS IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND SOMETHING I WANT TO SET UP IMMEDIATELY TO, UM, TO REALLY LOOK AT THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE STUDENTS, UM, AND, AND THE, THE PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP TO SPEAK TODAY, THAT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT THAT'S MY MOTION AND I HOPE TO GET SUPPORT.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

UM, MR. COMMISSIONER HERBERT, MAY I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION ON THE TREE REQUIREMENT? WOULD YOU BE, UM, OPEN TO ACCEPTING TREES, ORNAMENTAL GRASSES OR SHRUBS SO THAT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY FOR THE ENGINEERING REVIEW TO ACCOMMODATE ANY LANDSCAPING AT THE DETENTION POND? YES.

ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, THE ROOTS AND YES.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

AND I'LL SHARE THAT, UM, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, SO, AND, UM, STAFF SO THEY'LL HAVE IT CLEARLY NOTED.

UM, FOR THE RECORD, UM, I DIDN'T, I SECONDED THE MOTION.

I DO SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I THINK, UM, MANY OF US ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, UM, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND WHERE THERE ARE EXISTING CONCERNS WITH CIRCULATION, THAT AS WE LOOK AT NO DEVELOPMENT, THAT THOSE GET INTEGRATED INTO THE PLANNING.

AND I HEARD COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UH, MENTION THAT HE'S GONNA HELP ORGANIZE A COMMUNITY MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK CAN BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND I KNOW HE ALWAYS WORKS TO ACCOMMODATE COMMUNITY SCHEDULES THAT GENERALLY NEED TO BE IN THE EVENING, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE WORKING FAMILIES, UM, FAMILY EVENTS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES FOR FOLKS.

SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT, UM, FOR TAKING THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS, UH, PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

I'D LIKE TO GET A CLARIFICATION FROM COMMISSIONER HERBERT PLEASE.

'CAUSE I HEARD, UM, FOLLOWING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND I CAN TELL YOU WHY I'M ASKING IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE HESITATING.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE AMENITIES IN THE SIDEWALKS, BUT I, UH, MY QUESTION IS SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON PROHIBITING MULTIFAMILY.

'CAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS ONLY GOING TO ALLOW RETIREMENT HOUSING AND PROHIBIT MULTIFAMILY.

IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY? 'CAUSE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ELIMINATE THE PROHIBITION ON MULTIFAMILY.

SO IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO IT BECAUSE THIS IS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.

IT HAS TO BE REMOVED.

IS AM AM I CORRECT ON THAT, DAN? I'M SORRY.

I I LOST YOU THERE.

THE, YOU, YOU TRICK YOU TRAILED OFF.

SO FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MULTIFAMILY AND SENIOR HOUSING? YES.

'CAUSE THE WAY THE RE THE WAY THE PD IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IT ALLOWS RETIREMENT HOUSING AND IT PROHIBITS MULTIFAMILY, WHICH, UM, PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS THE PREVIOUS, OH, AT LEAST THE PROHIBITION OF MULTIFAMILY FOLLOWS THE PREVIOUS DE RESTRICTIONS.

SO I, MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU INTENDING FOR RETIREMENT HOUSING, WHICH IS WHAT THIS, UM, APPLICATION IS, BUT TO ALSO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY THERE? NO, IT, IT SHOULD REMAIN RETIREMENT ONLY.

SO IN, SO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR, UM, 1 0 6? FOR 1 0 6, BUT YOU WANT TO FOLLOW, OH, LET ME FIND IT.

IT'S, YOU'RE WANTING TO FOLLOW APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR 1 0 6, BUT YOU WANNA FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT'S THE OTHER NUMBER? 12 1 12 12, YES.

WHICH IS SIDEWALK, WHICH IS SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES THAT WERE MENTIONED.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSER, UM, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR, I THINK WE'VE GOT THIS ON THE GOAL LINE.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING IT JUST FOR THE RECORD.

I WOULD'VE SUPPORTED IT WITHOUT THE CHANGES.

I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO GO, BUT LET'S, LET'S DO THIS ONE.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING, UM, SENIOR HOUSING IN THE, IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

I KNOW THE PALLADIUM PRODUCT AND TO SEE PALLADIUM DOING SENIOR HOUSING FOR, FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, UM, IS A GREAT THING.

SO I AM READILY HERE TO SUPPORT THAT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

NOW I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PALLADIUM, WE, WE HAVE A PALLADIUM PROJECT NOW THAT'S ON COMPLETION IN DISTRICT SIX THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONTROVERSIAL AT THE TIME AT, UM, STEMMONS FREEWAY, A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF WALNUT HILL AT SOUTHWELL.

AND I SEE THIS PROJECT FAIRLY OFTEN BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A FEW BLOCKS FROM MY VETERINARIAN'S OFFICE, AND I HAVE FOSTER

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DOGS THAT SEEM TO CONTINUE TO GO TO THE VET A LOT, SO I DO GO BY THERE.

IT'S, IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

I KNOW, UH, CHERISH DID, AND I WENT TO THE GRAND OPENING, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO THAT'S BEEN, 18 MONTHS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, IT'S A VERY WELL RUN FACILITY.

UM, THEY KEEP IT UP VERY NICELY.

IT STAYS FULL, IT HAS A LONG WAITING LIST AND, UM, THEY SEEM TO TAKE A GREAT DEAL OF TROUBLE IN, IN PROVIDING A GOOD, UM, PLACE TO LIVE FOR THE PEOPLE IN A LOT OF AMENITIES.

AND THEY KEEP IT UP NICELY AND IT, IT'S BEEN AN ASSET TO THE AREA.

SO I HOPE THAT THAT HELPS ASSUAGE THE, AT LEAST A BIT OF THE CONCERN OF THE AREA HERE, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT AND AN ASSET TO THE AREA.

THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UH, NO, UH, COMPLETELY AGREE.

AND IN FACT, AFTER VOTING ON MAYBE A COUPLE OF THOUSAND CASES, THAT'S THE ONE AND ONLY WE'VE BEEN CUTTING I'VE EVER ATTENDED.

UH, IT AND JUST BECAUSE I, I DID REMEMBER THE PROCESS AND IT WAS A DIFFICULT ONE TO GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

UH, WE'LL COME TO YOU NEXT, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND, UH, JUST LIKE THE STATE, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO GET THIS ONE DONE.

IT IS A GOOD PROJECT, AND IN FACT, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CODE ON, ON THIS PROJECT AND THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHEN IT'S BLIND TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE APPLICATION, COULD HAVE BEEN UP TO 269 UNITS, ALMOST 300 UNITS.

AND WHEN IT ENGAGED IN THE ZONING PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND A COMMISSIONER, IT, IT BECAME A CUSTOM PROJECT LIKE THEY ALL DO.

AND IT WAS CUSTOMIZED TO THE SITE, TO THE COMMUNITY AT 120 UNITS SERVING, UH, A POPULATION THAT NEEDS IT.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

UM, I, I, I 100%, UH, SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, UH, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, HERBERT.

I KNOW THAT HE DO HE, THAT HE DOES DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE.

I THINK THAT, UM, AS, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE TAKEN FORWARD THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET DISD IN THE ROOM, UM, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT MAJOR ISSUE IS GOING TO BE ON THE DISD SIDE.

UM, MAYBE AS THIS SCHOOL, PROBABLY AS MOST DISD SCHOOLS ARE GETTING, UM, UPDATED, WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET THAT TRAFFIC, UM, MANAGE.

BUT I AM, I, ONE OF MY BIGGEST, UM, HOORAHS ON THIS IS BECAUSE IT, IT WAS A PROPERTY THAT, UM, A FAITH-BASED, UH, UM, INSTITUTION OWNED.

AND WHEN THEY COULDN'T, THEY DIDN'T HAVE, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH A BUILDING CHURCH.

THEY THOUGHT OUTSIDE THE BOX AND WAS GIVEN ITS, AND, AND IS TURNING IT OVER TO A DEVELOPER THAT'S GOING TO PUT SOME HOUSING AND DENSITY.

AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW IN A FEW MINUTES WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS AND LOOKING AT WHEN DO, WHEN DO DENSITY MATTER DENSITY MATTERS AND THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS AND WHAT TYPE IT IS.

WHEN WE RECOM, I COULD NOT GET BEHIND A MAJOR APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SENIORS, I WOULD RATHER SENIORS BE IN THIS PROXIMITY, IN THIS KIND OF CORRIDOR THAT DOES HAVE CHILDREN THAT DO HAVE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE OUR SENIORS DO NOT NEED TO BE, UM, HOOPED UP IN PLACES THAT THEY DON'T, THAT THEY'RE NOT A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

JUST AS THE CASE WE HAD PREVIOUS TO THIS CASE, THIS IS THE TYPE OF CASE THAT WE CAN GET BEHIND.

AND AGAIN, I JUST LEFT DC AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WENT FOR BECAUSE IN THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, CHURCHES HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTY PER CAPITAL THAT IS GOING UNUSED THAT WE COULD USE FOR THESE TYPE OF PURPOSES.

SO THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE AT YOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, WITH THIS.

AND WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET DISD GROUP, UM, ROPED IN BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN GET THEM INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? JUST A QUICK ONE BEFORE WE GO, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, I HOPE THAT THIS INTERSECTION OF COPPER HILL AND BLUE RIDGE, UH, BECOMES POPULAR ENOUGH FOR PALLADIUM TO PUT IN THOSE SIDEWALKS FOR OUR SENIORS.

I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT AS THAT CORRIDOR GROWS.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT SIDEWALK IN CONNECTING THAT PARK AT SOME PART, UM, AS A COMMUNITY.

SEE NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

AND GET, GET THIS PROJECT RIGHT.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE GO TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET, I THINK WE, WE HAVE, WE MAY HAVE A RECONSIDERATION.

UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, CASE NUMBER EIGHT, UH, IN YOUR ABSENCE WAS HELD TO SEPTEMBER 5TH.

DO WE NEED TO RECONSIDER THAT AND MOVE IT TO AUGUST 22ND? UM, NO, NO, NO, NO.

SEPTEMBER 5TH.

NO, WE WANTED IT MOVED ACTUALLY TO THE LAST, LAST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

SO THAT, UM, WE PLANNING WHO WAS WORKING ON THE SOUTH DALLAS THEORY PLAN, UM, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN,

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SO, SO WE WANT TO HOLD IT TO SEPTEMBER 19TH.

DID YOU SAY THE LAST HEARING IN SEPTEMBER? YES, SIR.

CAN I GET A, A MOTION TO RECONSIDER? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN.

I NEED A, A MOTION COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

NEW MOTION.

YOU ALL DON'T DISORGANIZED.

SO GIVE ME THE, GIVE THE, THE NUMBER WE'RE MOVING QUICKLY.

IT'S Z 2 3 4 1 74 Z 2 3 4 1 74 IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 1 74 CORRECT IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 1.

UM, DASH 1 74.

I MOVED TO, TO KEEP THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, UM, UNTIL SEPTEMBER 22ND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION.

VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.

CHAIR IT.

WHAT IN 2, 2 3.

IT WAS 2 3 4.

IT WAS, IT WAS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT Z 2 3 4 1 74.

DID WE READ IT CORRECTLY? I THOUGHT I HEARD 2, 3, 4.

IT'S, IT'S Z 2 34.

1 74.

DID WE GET THAT RIGHT? OKAY, WE GOT THAT COMMISSIONER.

IT IS THE 19TH.

OKAY, THEN WE, WE HAVE A CORRECTION.

THE, WE, OUR HEARING DATE IS ON THE 19TH.

SO ARE WE CLARIFYING, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER THAT YOUR MOTION WAS FOR THE 19TH OF SEPTEMBER IN THE MATTER Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 74 MOVE OPPOSE ME TO KEEP THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND TO SEPTEMBER 19TH.

AND AYE, CHAIR RUBIN SECONDED.

[SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items]

WE'LL GO TO OUR SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES 22 THROUGH 30.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THOSE CASES WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ANY OF THOSE CASES.

THAT'S 22 THROUGH 30 BEGINNING ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE AGENDA.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ANY OF THOSE CASES? IF SO, THEN WE'LL PULL IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND HEAR IT INDIVIDUALLY.

CASES 22 THROUGH 30.

ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THOSE? OKAY, LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT IN.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER, A**L.

THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF NINE ITEMS. ITEM 22 S 2 34 DASH 1 31, ITEM 23 S 2 34 DASH 1 32, ITEM 24 S 2 34 DASH 1 33, ITEM 25 S 2 34 DASH 1 34, ITEM 26 S 2 34 DASH 1 35, ITEM 27 S 2 34 DASH 1 36, ITEM 28 S 2 34 DASH 1 37, ITEM 29 S 2 34 DASH 1 38, ITEM 30 S 2 34 DASH 1 39.

ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR HEARING AT THIS TIME.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE IN THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? 22 THROUGH 30.

COMMISSIONER CHERNO, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS, NUMBERS 22 THROUGH 30 SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CHERNO FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY OPPOSED? A THE AYES HAVE IT SO UNANIMOUS.

COMMISSIONERS WILL NOW MOVE TO OUR, UH, AUTHORIZATION OF A HEARING.

[31. 24-2137 Consideration of a public hearing to determine the proper zoning on property zoned Planned Development District No. 842 with Specific Use Permit (SUP) No. 1879 for a late-hours establishment limited to an alcoholic beverage establishment operated as a bar, lounge, or tavern, on the east line of Greenville Avenue, between La Vista Drive and Oram Street, with consideration being given to amending SUP No. 1879 and with consideration being given to evaluating whether SUP No.1879 is compatible with adjacent property and consistent with the character of the neighborhood. This is a hearing to consider the request to authorize the hearing and not the rezoning of property at this time.]

IT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU AND OR STREET WITH CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO AMENDING SUP NUMBER 1879 AND WITH CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO EVALUATING WHETHER SUP NUMBER 1879 IS COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY AND CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ITEM NUMBER 31 CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE THE PROPER ZONING ON PROPERTIES ON PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1879 FOR A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIVING LIMITED TO AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT OPERATED AS A BAR, LOUNGE OR TAVERN ON THE EAST LINE OF GREENVILLE AVENUE BETWEEN LA VISTA DRIVE.

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IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR.

IS THAT WORKING? IS THAT PRESENTATION? YES SIR, IT IS.

UH, GREAT.

UH, MY NAME IS MURPHYS.

I'M SPEAKING TODAY ON BEHALF OF LI, LIZ AND MILLIE AT 1914 GREENVILLE AVENUE, WHICH HOLDS SUP 1879.

MY GOAL TODAY IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RECENTLY RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY AND DESCRIBE THE STEPS THAT WE'VE TAKEN RECENTLY TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

BY WAY OF BACKGROUND.

OH, TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, OUR COMPANY'S BEEN THE OPERATOR OF 1914 GREENVILLE AVENUE SINCE 2017.

OUR COMPANY IS CO-OWNED AND CO-FOUNDED BY ELIAS POPE, WHO BROUGHT GREENVILLE, WHO BROUGHT HD SUPPLY CODE TO GREENVILLE AVENUE IN 2013.

I SHARE THAT TO REASSURE YOU THAT WE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN KEEPING GREENVILLE AVENUE A PROSPEROUS AND SAFE STREET FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.

WE RENEWED OUR SUP THREE TIMES DURING THE PERIOD OF OUR OWNERSHIP IN 20 19, 20 21 AND 2023.

DURING 2021, WE RECEIVED ZERO OPPOSITIONS.

AS PART OF OUR 2023 RENEWAL, THE CITY SENT NOTICES TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

IN DECEMBER OF 23, WE RECEIVED SEVEN SUPPORT RESPONSES AND FIVE OPPOSITION RESPONSES.

ONE OF THOSE OPPOSITION RESPONSES WAS SUBSEQUENTLY FLIPPED TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT OF SUPPORT.

AFTER WE BEGAN, BEGAN WORKING WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL, UH, DIRECTLY.

AS SOON AS WE LEARNED ABOUT THE OPPOSITIONS DURING THE 2023 RENEWAL, WE REACHED OUT TO THESE INDIVIDUALS DIRECTLY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AND FIND SOLUTIONS.

WE, WE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AFTER OUR SUP WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY 24.

WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN SEVERAL ACTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CONTROL.

WE'VE REDUCED MUSIC LEVELS, BOTH IN DECEMBER AND IN JUNE.

WE HIRED A SOUND ENGINEER THAT ADDED SOUND DEADENING MATERIAL AND CAPPED OUR LEVELS IN, IN ON THE INTERIOR BASED ON NEIGHBOR FEEDBACK, WE ALSO SEALED AND ADDED SOUNDPROOFING TO 11 OF OUR EXTERIOR WINDOWS.

WE HEARD A REPORT THAT A PATRON GOING TO OR FROM OUR ESTABLISHMENT USING ALLEYWAY AS A RESTROOM TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.

WE HIRED A STAFF MEMBER TO MONITOR THE LINE, TO ENSURE PEOPLE WAITING TO ENTER OUR ESTABLISHMENT ARE BEHAVING OR WE WON'T LET THEM IN.

IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT A SECURITY COMPANY WE'D HIRED IS UNLICENSED.

I LEARNED AS OF TODAY, WE FOUND A NEW SECURITY COMPANY WILL BE MOVING ON FROM THE OLD ONE.

THERE ARE ALSO SEVERAL ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL, BUT THAT WE WILL, UH, WORK WITH ANYONE TO ADDRESS.

WE HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT NEIGHBORS, ABOUT LITTER ON THE SIDEWALKS DESPITE THE LITTER NOT COMING FROM OUR ESTABLISHMENT, AND WE HIRED A DAILY CLEANING CREW TO PICK UP TRASH ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL STREETS.

WE DO NOT USE PROMOTERS, BUT TO THE EXTENT OTHER BUSINESSES DO, WE WANT TO HELP STOP THAT ACTIVITY.

WE SENT A PHOTO OF ONE OF THE PROMOTER BUSES TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND WE ARE READY AND WILLING TO HELP IN ANY WAY WE CAN TO STOP THE USE OF PROMOTERS.

THE LETTER SENT A LETTER SENT TO THE COMMISSION YESTERDAY BY A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, INDICATED A PERCEPTION THAT THE WAY WE USE THE LOCATION HAS CHANGED COMPARED TO OUR PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP OR THE PREVIOUS OWNERS.

NOT ONLY HAVE WE BEEN OPERATING THIS LOCATION SINCE 2017, BUT I'D LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE VERY COLORFUL QUOTE FROM AN OBSERVER ARTICLE WRITTEN IN 2017 ABOUT, ABOUT CROWN AND HARP, WHICH THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND SUPPORT ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? GEORGE, ARE ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE FOR THESE ITEM ? UH, HE WON'T BE JOINING MURPHY'S HERE.

SORRY, THIS IS MURPHY.

I'M MURPHY, YEAH.

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FOR PATEL ONLINE.

HE IS ONLINE.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS MR. PATEL.

MR. PATEL, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENT, SIR.

IS HE LONG DEAD? MR. SAMR PATEL, IF YOU'RE ONLINE, WE'RE READY FOR YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? COMMISSIONER? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

CNN.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

UM, IN THIS MATTER OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WELL, I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE.

? YEAH, I MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE HEARING IN THE MATTER OF SUP NUMBER 1879.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.

ANY COMMENTS? I DO.

UM, I PUT TOGETHER SOME MATERIALS AND SEND THEM AROUND TO YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK.

UH, I'M GONNA START WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT I LEARNED.

UM, THIS WEEK.

THIS OPERATOR OPERATES AS A BAR TAVERN.

THEIR CO IS IS AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT IN A COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONED DISTRICT, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY NOT ONLY HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP TO BE OPEN AFTER MIDNIGHT IN PD 8 42, THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP TO OPERATE AS A BAR TAVERN.

THEY ALLOWED THEIR SUP TO OPERATE AS A BAR TAVERN TO LAPSE IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR ACCORDING TO CITY STAFF.

SO THEY'RE OPERATING ILLEGALLY WITHOUT THAT SUP.

THEY ALSO OPERATE A DANCE HALL WITHOUT A DANCE HALL PERMIT.

SO THAT'S TWO ILLEGAL OPERATIONS.

IN ADDITION TO THE NOISE ISSUES AND THE OTHER ISSUES THAT I RAISED, UM, I, I HAVE CALLED A MEETING, A PUBLIC MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS NEARBY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, THE OPERATOR AND THEIR LANDLORD IN ORDER TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE ISSUES RESOLVED.

I DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY.

I DON'T TAKE SHUTTING DOWN BUSINESSES ON LOWER GREENVILLE LIGHTLY.

UM, BUT THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING IS JUST TO REVOKE TO CONSIDER REVOKING THE LATE NIGHT SUP.

IT IS NOT TO CONSIDER REVOKING THEIR SUP, WHICH IS NOW, UM, EXPIRED.

UM, AND I HOPE THAT THE OUTCOME OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING INTO THE FUTURE IS TO GET THE ISSUES WITH THIS OPERATOR UNDER CONTROL SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A VIABLE WAY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS AFTER MIDNIGHT, THEIR OPERATION.

UM, I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE AFTER MIDNIGHT AND IT IS EXTREMELY LOUD AND IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT SEPARATES THEIR BUILDING FROM THE RESIDENTS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THEM IS AN ALLEY.

AND THEIR EFFORTS TO, UM, SOLVE THE PROBLEM, AS THEY SAY, IS SEEKING TO BE INVITED INTO THESE RESIDENTS HOMES AFTER MIDNIGHT IN ORDER TO REPEATEDLY GO OVER THERE AND SEE HOW LOUD IT IS AND HAVE THE RESIDENTS HAVE THEIR CELL PHONES SO THEY CAN TEXT THEM WHEN THEY WAKE 'EM UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

AND I JUST DON'T FIND THAT ACCEPTABLE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SOLUTION.

THEY'VE BEEN ASKED REPEATEDLY TO TURN IT DOWN.

THEY, INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH THOSE ISSUES, THEY PUT IN LARGER SPEAKERS.

UM, THEY RECENTLY WERE REQUIRED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO PUT IN NEW FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS, WHICH ALLOWED

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THEM TO ALMOST DOUBLE THEIR OCCUPANCY, WHICH IS ONLY COMPOUNDING THE PROBLEM.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THE TYPE OF OPERATION THAT THEY HAVE BECOME.

IT IS NOT ACCURATE THAT THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ALLOWED NIGHTCLUB OPERATION THERE.

THE UPSTAIRS LOUNGE AT THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN A PLACE WHERE MUSIC HAS BEEN PLAYED, BUT IT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A FAIRLY QUIET JAZZ CLUB SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. UM, RICHARDSON, UH, DESCRIBED IN HIS EMAIL TO YOU TODAY.

I'VE LIVED ON GREENVILLE AVENUE SINCE YEAR 2000.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE OPERATIONS IN THE PAST AND IT IS JUST SIMPLY NOT ACCURATE THAT THIS IS HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.

THIS IS A NEW PHENOMENA AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE PURCHASED THEIR HOMES TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE BOOMING BASE THAT THESE GUYS INSIST ON PLAYING.

AND IT IS NOT FAIR TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS TO HAVE THESE GUYS WANT TO COME INTO THEIR HOMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO SEE HOW LOUD IT REALLY IS OR TO HAVE THEM WOKEN UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO TEXT AND SAY IT'S LOUD.

I SENT YOU SOME ACCOUNTS FROM SOME OF THESE HOMEOWNERS.

UM, FRANKLY THEY'RE SOME OF THE SAME ONES YOU HEARD FROM ON THE PREVIOUS CASE TODAY.

UH, PART OF THE REASON YOU DID NOT GET AS MUCH OPPOSITION WHEN THEIR SUP CAME AROUND THE LAST TIME IS BECAUSE, UH, MY PREDECESSOR GAVE HIM AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

AND SO WHEN IT RENEWED THE LAST TIME, IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING TO AUTHORIZE THIS HEARING SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS OPERATION AND ASSESS WHETHER, UM, OPERATING AFTER MIDNIGHT IS REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT AUTHORIZING THE HEARING.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

SEE NONE.

THE OPPOSED AYE HAVE.

[32. 24-2138 Public hearing to receive comments on the ForwardDallas 2.0 comprehensive plan and consideration of an ordinance adopting the ForwardDallas 2.0 comprehensive plan.]

SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAD RIGHT INTO OUR FORWARD DALLAS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH US.

WE DID HAVE A LONG DOCKET.

UH, JUST ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT.

UH, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK TO, UH, FOR YOUR COMMENTS NOT TO INCLUDE ANY PLAN COMMISSIONERS BY NAME AND TO ADDRESS THE CHAIR WITH YOUR COMMENTS.

UH, MS. LOPEZ WILL KEEP TRACK OF THE TIME.

WE'LL GO FOR ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER, WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR SPEAKERS IN THE CHAMBER AND THEN GO TO OUR SPEAKERS THAT ARE REGISTERED THAT ARE ONLINE.

AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR SPEAKERS.

BRIAN TONY, BRIAN TONEY, 1500 PECOS STREET HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION, OUR 230 MEMBERS, I'M HERE TO STOP THE NARRATIVE THAT FORWARD DALLAS IS TRYING TO DESTROY OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

I SEE THE HANDS-OFF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD BADGES BEHIND ME AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT FORWARD DALLAS IS A HANDS-OFF PLAN WITH REGARD TO SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS MYTH THAT FORWARD DALLAS WILL DESTROY OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS CAME FROM OR WHY, BUT THESE ARE THE FACTS.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

THE TWO PRIMARY U USES OF THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE ARE BOTH SINGLE FAMILY FOR DALLAS CANNOT DICTATE OWNERSHIP AND IT CANNOT REZONE PROPERTY TO LET ANY OTHER LAND NEXT TO YOU UNLESS THAT PROPERTY GOES THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.

YOU JUST WITNESSED THE PROCESS.

THAT'S ON THE FOR DALLAS FROM 2006 THAT YOU JUST SAW, UH, LISTENED TO TODAY.

DETACH SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES ALL CREATE HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW OWNERS AND FLEXIBILITY FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS TO HAVE HOUSING CHOICE AND OPTIONS.

WHAT FOR DALLAS DOES DO IS GUIDE EXACTLY WHERE WE NEED DENSITY.

AWAY FROM SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND TOWARDS OUR TRANSPORTATION QUARTERS.

RETAIL AND MORE.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THIS, SIR.

TO FORWARD DALLAS TWO OH CONTRARY TO COMPROMISE REPORTS THAT CPC STRIPPED OUT MULTIPLEX FROM A LIST OF PRIMARY USES IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, OTHER CURRENT NOT LEGAL FAMILY USES REMAIN DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, FOURPLEX AND COTTAGE COURTS AND ZERO LOT LINE TOWN, TOWN HOMES, AS WELL AS TINY HOMES THAT ARE ALLOWED AS A PRIMARY USE IN THE SMALL TOWN AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE.

NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.

AT ZARA 1003 VALENCIA, DALLAS, TEXAS DISTRICT 14, HANDS OFF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FORWARD.

DALLAS TWO OH IS NOT READY TO BE SENT TO CITY COUNCIL AS A DALLAS HOMEOWNER FOR 48 YEARS.

PLEASE NOTE MY OPPOSITION

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PLEASE SUPPORT AN EXEMPTION TO THE RZ ZONE DISTRICTS AND PLAN DEVELOPMENTS FROM THIS CHANGE.

HANDS OFF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

HI, MY NAME IS TAM AKER AND I LIVE IN PLEASANT GROVE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IN PIEDMONT NEIGHBORHOOD IN PLEASANT GROVE DISTRICT FIVE.

I'M HERE AS A MOM OF AN ADULT WITH IDD AND A FAMILY MEMBER CARETAKER OF ELDERLY FOLKS.

I HAVE AN ELDERLY GRANDPA WHO LIVES AT THE OAKS, WHICH IS AN A RETIREMENT, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX.

BUT, UH, WE ARE ONE CAR ACCIDENT AWAY FROM MY SON NEEDING TO LIVE WITH HIS GRANDPA AND THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED THERE.

WE'RE NOT INNOVATING ENOUGH.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I REALLY AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS WITH FORWARD FORD DALLAS, BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAX BREAKS THAT DEVELOPERS GET WHEN THEY COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE DON'T GET THE KIND OF SUPPORT AND HELP WE NEED TO DEVELOP OUR GENERATIONAL WEALTH.

SO I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE HESITATION, BUT I'M HERE TO SAY THAT I WISH THAT IT WASN'T SO POLARIZED AND THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE MEANINGFUL WAYS TO LIVE WITH EACH OTHER AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND, UM, ESPECIALLY AS OUR PARENTS AGE AND WE ARE SEEING, UH, YOUNGER FOLKS NEEDING, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH IDD NEEDING CARE, THANK YOU, BUT SO THAT WE COULD PLAN FOR THEIR CARE.

THANK YOU FOR AFTER WE'RE GONE.

THAT'S NOT EASY TO DO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, .

MY NAME IS IAN SIEMENS AND I'M THE DALLAS CITY HALL ADVOCATE FOR ENVIRONMENT TEXAS.

WE'RE A NONPROFIT THAT WORKS FOR CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER, OPEN SPACES, AND A LIVABLE CLIMATE IN 2020.

DALLAS ADOPTED THE CCAP FOCUSING ON MITIGATING AND ADAPTING TO CLIMATE CHANGE WHILE IMPROVING OUR ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.

WE HAVE ALREADY MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS TOWARDS IMPLEMENTING THAT PLAN, BUT THERE'S A BIG HOLE IN IT.

LAND USE.

OUR CURRENT ZONING ENCOURAGES SPRAWL, THE LOSS OF GREEN SPACES, WATER GUZZLING LAWNS, LONG COMMUTES THAT INCREASE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS FORWARD.

DALLAS WOULD GIVE MORE PEOPLE THE OPTION TO LIVE CLOSER TO WORK OPEN SPACES AND DAILY AMENITIES WHILE REMOVING AIR POLLUTING INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES FROM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

IF IMPLEMENTED, THE PLAN WOULD BRING MORE GREEN STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, MORE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT TO THE CITY, AS WELL AS ENCOURAGING THE DEVELOPMENT OF BROWNFIELDS OVER GREEN.

OPEN SPACES FORWARD DALLAS WOULD MAKE DALLAS GREENER CLEANER AND GIVE MORE RESIDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE AND WORK IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WALKABLE.

BIKE BOLT AND TRANSIT ACCESSIBLE.

MY NAME IS BILLY LANE.

I RESIDE AT 28 31 WHITEWOOD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 3.

UH, I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR INNER CITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, UH, WHERE WE DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE STAND IN SUPPORT OF FORWARD DALLAS.

UH, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE ZONING PROCESS AS A HOMEOWNER, UH, I WELCOME THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE BECAUSE IT MAY, IT GIVES US OPTIONS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER RAGSDALE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

EAST DALLAS AND WEST DALLAS, SIMPLY TO NAME A FEW WHICH HAS LED TO DISPLACEMENT.

THANK YOU VERY ACCOUNT.

MY NAME IS DIANE RAGSDALE.

FORWARD DALLAS IS A CITYWIDE PLAN AS IT HAS BEEN STATED FORWARD.

DALLAS DOES NOT CHANGE THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR ZONING APPLICATIONS.

ANY CHANGE REQUESTED MUST STILL GO THROUGH THE REQUIRED PROCESS INCLUDING PUBLIC HEARING, CPC AND CITY COUNCIL.

ALTHOUGH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE IS LARGELY SINGLE FAMILY, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO EXCLUDE THE POSSIBILITY THAT IN SOME PLACES IN THE FUTURE, OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING MAY MAKE SENSE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR MORE PEOPLE.

AS WE KNOW DALLAS HAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.

WE DON'T WANT TO PLAN THAT IS EXCLUSIONARY.

WE DON'T WANT TO PLAN THAT'S CLASH OR RACIST, NOR DO WE WANT A PLAN THAT ALLOWS THE CONSTRUCTION OF GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING LIKE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN SOUTH DALLAS, PARTS OF

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ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS I MIGHT EMPHASIZE TO FORWARD DOLLARS ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO PROMOTE AFFORDABILITY AND TO PREVENT DISPLACEMENT.

MY NAME'S NATE HIMEY AND I LIVE AT 3 3 6 BECKLEY WOOD BOULEVARD IN DISTRICT FOUR.

I'M HERE WITH THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT VERSION OF FORWARD DALLAS.

FORWARD.

DALLAS ISN'T PERFECT, NO PLAN IS, BUT IN FORWARD DALLAS, THE COMMISSION'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF ADDRESSING THE ERRORS OF LAND USE IN OUR PAST WHILE PLANNING FOR THE GROWTH OF OUR FUTURE.

IT'S A PLAN THAT RESPECTS WHERE WE'VE BEEN BUT PREPS OUR CITY FOR FUTURE GROWTH.

IT ALLOWS FOR A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING AND BUSINESSES THAT THE CITY SORELY NEEDS.

MY ONLY WISH IS THAT FORWARD DALLAS WAS EVEN BETTER INTEGRATED WITH DART AND WITH THE CITY BIKE PLAN AND ENCOURAGED EVEN MORE WALKABLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT NEAR STATIONS AND ALONG CORRIDORS WHERE DEVELOPMENTS NEEDED AND WILL BE MOST IMPACTFUL.

IF DALLAS IS TO DEVELOP AS A 21ST CENTURY CITY, WE NEED TO HAVE A 21ST CENTURY LAND PLAN.

DON'T LET A VOCAL MINORITY KEEP OUR LAND USE PLANNING STUCK IN THE 1950S.

PLEASE ADVANCE THIS VERSION FOR DALLAS.

MY NAME IS STEPHANIE CHAMPION.

I LIVE AT 1842 MCBROOM STREET.

I ALSO SERVE AS THE CHIEF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND POLICY OFFICER FOR BUILDERS OF HOPE, CDC, WHERE WE ARE WORKING TO CREATE A CITYWIDE ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT, WHICH I'VE SEEN AND HEARD REFERENCED IN THE DRAFT PLAN AND IN CONVERSATIONS OF THIS BODY MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY HAS YET TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY.

AS YOU ARE ALL WELL AWARE, DISPLACEMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION ARE TWO OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS VOICED BY OPPONENTS OF THIS PLAN, AND IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO PAY THEM LIP SERVICE WITH BROAD POLICY STATEMENTS.

WE NEED THIS PLAN TO SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT AND PRIORITIZE ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLS IN THE HOUSING CHOICE AND ACCESS IMPLEMENTATION TABLE THAT WILL GIVE BOTH PUD AND THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC ACTION STEPS TO CARRY OUT.

TWO TOOLS I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU TODAY ARE ONE, CREATING A NEW NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR NOAA PRESERVATION ZONING OVERLAY TO REGULATE THE DESIGN AND SCALE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS EXPERIENCING GENTRIFICATION.

AND TWO, ADOPTING A SINGLE FAMILY DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM TO ENSURE THAT ANY NEW AND ALLOWABLE DENSITY IN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IS APPROPRIATELY TARGETED TO LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.

I HAVE MORE TOOLS I'D LOVE TO SHARE, BUT THAT'S ALL THE TIME I HAVE.

GOOD AFTERNOON HARRY SWANSON.

8 2 2 3 CLAREMONT DRIVE, DISTRICT SEVEN.

UH, FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, THE NUMBER ONE AMERICAN DREAM IS OWNING A HOUSE TO BUILD EQUITY, BUT THAT DREAM ISN'T AVAILABLE FOR RENTERS WHO ARE THE VAST MAJORITY CITIZENS OF DALLAS BECAUSE THERE'S NO STARTER HOMES.

EVERYBODY IN HERE STARTED WITH A STARTER HOME.

ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS STARTED WITH A STARTER HOME.

THERE'S NO STARTER HOMES, BUT THE DALLAS PLAN HAS STARTER HOMES.

IT'S CALLED THE MISSING MIDDLE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES COTTAGES GO UP ON GADSDEN AND LIVE OAK IN EAST DALLAS AND YOU'LL SEE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES IN THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES AND FORTIES.

THAT'S HOW PEOPLE LIVED.

IT'S NOTHING NEW.

SO I AM IN FORGED, ESPECIALLY AS A SENIOR, I WANT TO, I LIVE IN A HOUSE WITH FOUR BEDROOMS, THREE BATHS.

IT'S TOO BIG FOR ME, BUT I, IF I COULD SELL A HOUSE, I COULD GET A LITTLE COTTAGE AND HAVE SOMEBODY TAKE CARE OF ME.

AND ME LIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE.

ACH 1 5 7, 4 6 COVE WOOD CIRCLE.

I'M OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT VERSION OF FORWARD DALLAS.

CHANGING MULTIPLEX FROM PRIMARY TO SECONDARY USE WILL NOT PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

ADDITIONALLY, OTHER CURRENTLY DISALLOWED LAND USES REMAIN IN THIS VERSION OF FORWARD DALLAS, SUCH AS TINY HOMES, ADUS, DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, FOURPLEX, COTTAGE COURTS, AND ZERO LOT LINE TOWN, HOMES, HOUSES.

THIS IS PERHAPS THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL DECISION YOU'LL MAKE DURING YOUR SERVICE ON THE CPC.

PLEASE INCLUDE AN EXEMPTION IN FOR DALLAS THAT PROHIBITS THE, THESE USES IN OUR ZONE DISTRICTS IN PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO DALLAS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

UH, MIKE SUNDINE, 69 15

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SANTA FE, DALLAS.

HANDS OFF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IS WHY I'M HERE.

I'VE LIVED IN OLD LEASE DALLAS FOR 35 YEARS AND I KNOW THIS DEVELOPERS CARE MOST ABOUT MONEY AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE ELECTED TO BE THE GATEKEEPERS TO REPRESENT THE TAXPAYERS, NOT THE TAXES.

TOO OFTEN IT SEEMS THEY YIELD TO DEVELOPERS WHO DON'T CARE WHAT THEY WRECK OR LEAVE BEHIND.

JUST SHOW ME THE MONEY.

DALLAS HAS A HISTORY OF IGNORING AND DESTROYING HISTORY, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES THE SOUL OF A CITY THE PERSONALITY THAT ATTRACTS AND KEEPS ITS TAXPAYERS DEVOTED TO AND LOVING THEIR CITY.

WHEN FORD DALLAS TOUTED AFFORDABILITY THROUGH DENSIFICATION, PEOPLE BECAME SUSPICIOUS.

WHY NOT BUILD IN THE GRAND OPEN SPACES WITH DART ROUTES ALREADY IN PLACE THAT ARE JUST BEGGING FOR DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH DALLAS AND BECAME OBVIOUS THAT THE PUSH WAS TO GET ACCESS TO HIGH VALUE NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAKE ZONING EASIER BY RIGHT TO PLUNDER AND DENSIFY THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS TO SQUEEZE MAXIMUM PROFITS OUT OF THEM THE FORWARD ALL LOGOS SUGGESTING.

AND THIS AN EQUITY ISSUE SEEM DISINGENUOUS TOO.

THE MANY REASONS AGAINST FORD DALLAS ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED AND THERE IS A BATTLE CRY GATEKEEPERS, PLEASE PROTECT THE FABRIC OF OUR CITY.

HELLO, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL ROBERTS AND I HAVE BEEN A PROUD RESIDENT OF DALLAS FOR THE PAST 20 PLUS YEARS.

AND AS A MOM OF FOUR, MY FAMILY AND I CHOOSE TO LIVE AT 1 4 0 1 2 HUGHES LANE IN WILLIAMSBURG, ENVISIONING A PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH AMPLE SPACE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY.

HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED FORD DALLAS PLAN THREATENS TO DISRUPT THE VERY ESSENCE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THE THOUGHT OF LOSING THE YARDS AND THE TREES THAT DEFINE OUR AREA TO MAKE WAYS FOR DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, AND TOWN HOMES IS DISTRESSING AS IT PUTS OUR PRIVACY AT RISK AND THREATENS THE CHARACTER OF OUR BELOVED NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M DEEPLY TRAVELED BY THE POTENTIAL STRAIN ON OUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE DUE TO INCREASED DEMAND ON SCHOOLS, UTILITIES, WASTE MANAGEMENT, TRAFFIC, PARKING, POLICE, AND FIRE AND RESCUE.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY AT CAPACITY.

I STAND FIRMLY AGAINST THE FORD DALLAS 2.0 JUNE, 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I URGE THE CPC TO CON RECONSIDER THEIR APPROACH.

LET'S PRESERVE THE CHARM AND INTEGRITY OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

HI, UH, MY NAME IS BRENDA GRU AND I LIVE AT 2140 MEDICAL DISTRICT DRIVE, APARTMENT 10 32 DALLAS, TEXAS.

UM, I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF FORWARD DALLAS BECAUSE IT'S A THOUGHTFUL VISION THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THE CITY AND MOVES IT TOWARD BEING WELCOMING TO A DIVERSE ARRAY OF PEOPLE AND BETTER MEETING THE CLIMATE CHANGE CHALLENGES.

NORTH TEXAS CONTINUES TO GROW.

I'M EXCITED FOR TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING THE CITY MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY BECAUSE THAT HELPS ALL OF US.

I HEAR APPREHENSION ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING NEXT TO DUPLEXES OR FOURPLEXES, BUT THOSE DECISIONS STILL HAPPEN ON A NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL.

AND ALSO DIVERSIFYING HOUSING IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE.

I'M A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER IN DALLAS AND MANY DISD TEACHERS DRIVE INTO DALLAS FROM OVER 40 MINUTES AWAY.

MANY WOULD LOVE TO LIVE CLOSER IF THEY COULD AFFORD TO BUY HOMES HERE.

WE NEED THAT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE LIKE TEACHERS, NURSES, AND DART OPERATORS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE NEAR WHERE THEY WORK, SEND THEIR KIDS TO OUR SCHOOLS, AND PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

THEY'RE VALUABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND DESERVE TO BE HERE.

I'VE ALSO SEEN CRITICS RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT FORWARD DALLAS MAKING THE CITY MORE EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN.

TO THAT, I WOULD SAY THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHOUT FORWARD DALLAS IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A FEW PLACES THAT ALLOW HOUSING TO BE BUILT.

MUCH DEVELOPERS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT IN THOSE AREAS.

SEND PRICES THROUGH THE ROOF.

GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS SHANNON COMMODORE.

I LIVE AT 1 0 0 9 VALENCIA STREET, DALLAS COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 HANDS OFF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FOR WHERE DALLAS 2.0 IS NOT READY TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE MULTIPLE REASONS FOR MY ADAMANT OPPOSITION FOR THIS PLAN.

COUPLE ARE REALLY SALIENT RIGHT NOW FOR EAST DALLAS.

MY HOME OF 30 YEARS, OVER 30 YEARS REALLY, UM, THE, OUR AGED AND STRETCHED INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.

WE'RE BREAKING DOWN AND BURSTING AT THE SEAMS ALREADY.

IT WILL NOT RESULT IN MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT WILL ONLY CHUM THE ALREADY SHARK INFESTED SPECULATIVE MARKET, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT IS CAUSING HOUSING TO BE UNAFFORDABLE.

SO THI THIS IS, UM, ABSOLUTELY, THERE'S ALREADY TOO MANY CORPORATE OPERATIVES HERE ALREADY AND THESE ARE OUT OF STATE, OUT SOME OF 'EM, OUT OF COUNTRY OWNERS OF THESE, UH, OF THESE, OF THESE, UM, UH, ALL KINDS OF ENTITIES THAT ARE COMING UP.

AND SO IT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED AND, AND THIS IS GOING TO OPEN UP MORE AND MORE SPECULATIVE BUYING AND IT'S GONNA

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SO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

MY NAME IS ROB THOMAS.

I RESIDE AT 1439 SERENA DRIVE AND HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK AT THIS WHOLE SUBJECT.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S ABOUT MORE TAXES COMING INTO THE CITY.

I FIND THE CURRENT APPROACH TO INFLUENCE TAXPAYERS AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS, OWNERS DISRESPECTFUL AND MANIPULATIVE, PUSHING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A FRONT TO DISGUISE.

THE REAL INTENTION IS NOT OKAY.

SOLVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT THE JOB OF A GOVERNMENT UNLESS THAT GOVERNMENT IS A COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT.

THE IDEA OF SOLVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY CHANGING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING COULDN'T BE MORE HALF WITTED, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU THINK CANCER CAN BE SOLVED BY GIVING THE PATIENT MORE CANCER.

NO ONE HAS COME BEFORE YOU THAT OWNS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONED AREA BEGGING FOR MULTIFAMILIES TO BE PLACED NEXT DOOR.

WHEN YOU SAID NO TO STR, YOU SAID YES TO PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

ARE YOU RECANTING YOUR DECISION? THANK YOU.

THANKS, SPEAKER, PLEASE.

HELLO, MY NAME'S CHRISTOPHER WYATT.

I RESIDE AT 42 14 BRETTON BAY.

I THAT'S IN, UH, DISTRICT 12 IN FAR NORTH DALLAS.

AND I'M HERE TO FULLY SUPPORT FOR DALLAS.

I LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ON A END OF A CUL-DE-SAC.

AND I WELCOME MORE NEIGHBORS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, SINCE MOVING BACK TO THE AREA, I'M ALSO A FREQUENT USER OF, UH, DART SERVICES.

AND WHEN I GO, UH, RIDE THE TRAINS AND THE BUSES, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THE, JUST THE LACK OF TOD IN, UH, AROUND THE DART NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE NEAR THE DART STATIONS.

SO THIS, UH, FORWARD DALLAS ADDRESSES THAT AND THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

I ALSO DO KNOW THAT DALLAS IS HAVING A BUDGET ISSUE.

THERE'S ONLY THREE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

WE CAN RAISE TAXES THAT'S UNPOPULAR, CUT CITY SERVICES OR BRING IN MORE TAX REVENUE AND DENSIFYING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

UH, WHERE THEY COUNT WILL BE THEIR LONG TERM SOLUTION TO SOLVING OUR BUDGET ISSUES.

GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU FOR FILLING OUT THE YELLOW CARD.

HI, ROCK BARRERA 40 24 BOCA BAY DRIVE.

UM, I'M HERE TO SHOW ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT FOR FORWARD DALLAS.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN INCREASE IN, UH, DENSE HOUSING AND MIXED USE HOUSING, ESPECIALLY NEAR TRANSIT OPTIONS.

UM, ALLOWING FOR HIGH DENSITY AREAS WHERE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL SPACES CAN COEXIST, UH, WILL REDUCE OUR RELIANCE ON CARS AND WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC OVERALL AS WELL AS REDUCING POLLUTION AND NOISE.

UM, HOUSES AND HOUSING SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF LESS AS FINANCIAL ASSETS AND THOUGHT OF MORE AS PARTS OF A GROWING AND EVOLVING COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK FORWARD DALLAS ALLOWS US TO GROW AND EVOLVE OUR COMMUNITY.

9 4 3 2 AMBERTON PARKWAY.

ADAM LAMONT.

I'M ALSO HERE IN SUPPORT FOR DALLAS.

UH, THOUGH ACCORDING TO SOME DETRACTORS, I'M JUST ANOTHER YOUNG NAIVE PERSON WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

I AM OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WAY BACK IN 2022 WHEN THERE WAS A COMMUNITY OUTRAGE IN MULTIPLE ARTICLES AROUND THE DEMOLITION OF AN ENTIRE BLOCK OF HOMES IN BISHOP ARTS ON WEST A STREET TO MAKE WAY FOR IN A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

WERE THESE HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? NO.

THEY WERE ALL PLEXES, SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT WERE MORE AFFORDABLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WHY ARE WE UPSET WHEN WE LOSE THAT TYPE OF HOUSING BUT BLOCK IT FROM HAPPENING TODAY? UM, INSTEAD WE SHOULD BE ALLOWING WHAT WAS THERE TO BE BUILT ACROSS ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN DALLAS, PARTICULARLY IN THOSE WEALTHIER AREAS.

THEY WERE BELOVED AND INTEGRAL PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR LOSS WAS RIGHTFULLY MOURNED BY MANY OF THE SAME PEOPLE HERE TODAY WHO ARE OPPOSING THAT SAME KIND OF HOUSING.

INSTEAD, THEY'RE ADVOCATING FOR A DEVELOP DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT IS EITHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

THERE IS A BETTER WAY, WHICH IS TO ALLOW FOR INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

A GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MY NAME'S RONNIE MEUS, 32 15 RUTT STREET HISTORICAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD IN, UH, WEST DALLAS, UH, LOS DE BONITO JUAREZ.

UM, I AM THE CHAIR FOR, UH, NIC CASINOS UNIDO.

AND UH, WE WERE AT ONE TIME IN CHARDO, BUT NOW WE'RE, UH, INTO THE PRESERVATION EDUCATION OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE BUILT 45 AFFORDABLE HOMES, UH, YEARS BACK.

AND, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP 'EM, UH, THIS, THIS PLAN HAS ABSOLUTELY NO, IT IS JUST THE POTENTIAL FOR JUST DESTROYING WHAT WE BUILT.

AND WE DO HAVE FAMILIES THERE.

THERE ARE NO, UH, RENTALS.

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THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE 45 HOMEOWNERS ARE STILL THERE.

UH, CASINOS IS STILL THERE.

UM, IT'S, IT IS JUST A MESS.

YOU'VE GOT TWO OPPOSITIONS RIGHT HERE AND, AND IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THIS IS A VOTER'S ISSUE.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE VOTERS AND, AND NOT JUST A DECISION BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

UH, THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL YEARS AGO TRIED TO DO A, A LAND TAKEOVER IN WEST DALLAS AND WE HAD 300 FAMILIES THERE THAT WERE GONNA BE DISPLACED.

AND IF IT WASN'T FOR THE EFFORT OF THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, TERRITORY OR THE HOMEOWNER, UH, HMK, YOU KNOW, SELLING THE HOMES TO THE, THE RENTERS, THEY BECAME GENERATIONAL.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

DEVELOPED GENERATIONAL WEALTH, SO AN ISSUE SHOULD GO TO THE VOTERS.

HI, MY NAME'S MARK ISHMAL.

I LIVE AT 1655 GRIGSBY AVENUE AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE CURRENT DRAFT OF FORWARD DALLAS.

IT'S A PLAN THAT INTELLIGENTLY ACCOMMODATES GROWTH IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE STILL ADDING MUCH NEEDED NEW DEVELOPMENT, NAMELY HOUSING WHERE IT MAKES SENSE ACROSS THE CITY.

FORWARD DALLAS WILL PROVIDE A VARIETY OF ATTAINABLE QUALITY LIVING OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE AT ALL STAGES OF LIFE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS CURRENTLY MISSING FROM THE DALLAS HOUSING MARKET.

THE PLAN ALSO BRINGS JOBS AND SERVICES CLOSER TO RESIDENTS THROUGH, UH, INCREASED PREVALENCE OF MIXED USE AREAS.

THESE WALKABLE DEVELOPMENTS REDUCE THE IMPACTS OF NEW GROWTH ON STREET TRAFFIC AND LEAD TO LESS POLLUTION AND ADDITIONAL NOISE.

AND ALSO THE INCREASED PREVALENCE OF MIXED USE AREAS AND THE, THOSE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS WOULD BE A BOON FOR STRESSED CITY FINANCES.

UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT ANY RESIDENT WHO CARES ABOUT THE CONTINUED DELIVERANCE AND IMPROVEMENT ON CITY SERVICES, UH, SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH.

WE HAVE LARGE UNFUNDED PENSION OBLIGATIONS AND INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE COSTS THAT NEED ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO ADDRESS SOMEHOW.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS GREGORY DEUS.

I LIVE AT 52 11 DAZZLE IN THE RED BRICK AREA.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE TWIN OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

I COME TO YOU BECAUSE THIS PLAN IS NOT READY TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.

I DON'T APPROVE OF IT.

EVERY BUILDING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS OR REALLY I THINK IN THE COUNTY HAS WHAT THEY CALL A CERTIFICATE OCCUPANCY.

THAT MEANS THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE CAN BE IN THERE.

IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW, JUST DUE TO THE WEATHERSTONE, WE CAN'T EVEN GET THE TRASH TRUCK TO GO DOWN MY STREET BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN HOUSES WITH MULTIPLE FAMILIES IN THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.

NOW, IF YOU'RE FINN TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO PUT A DU LIKE OVER IN DISTRICT FOUR AND THEN MY AUNT AND MY MOTHER, HE HAS TWO SMALL MINI HOMES IN THE BACKYARD THAT PEOPLE LIVING IN AMBULANCE AND STUFF CANNOT GET DOWN THE STREET.

THERE'S BEEN TWO PEOPLE THAT, I AIN'T GONNA SAY THEY DIED, BUT THEY WAS REALLY SICK AND BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GET OUT AND GO KNOCK ON DOORS, AIN'T NOBODY AT THE HOUSE AND STUFF FOR THE AMBULANCE TO GET DOWN THESE STREET.

I DON'T THINK THE PLAN HAS TOOK IN CONSIDERATION THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVES IN SINGLE FAMILY AREAS.

MY AREA PARTICULARLY, WE HAVE ALLEY ENTRANCE WHERE WE GET INSIDE THE DRIVEWAY IN OUR GARAGES.

THE STREET IS ALREADY CONGESTED WITH ALMOST 40 CARS ON IT BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE STREET THAT'S OVERPOPULATED.

WE CAN'T PUT A TITLE ON A NUMBER ON HOW MANY CAN LIVE IN A HOUSE.

BUT YOU FINN, TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO BUILD MORE HOUSES THAN THEIR BACKYARD AND STUFF.

WITHOUT INPUT FROM CONSTITUENTS.

MY NAME IS NATALIE LEVEQUE.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN DALLAS.

I'M CURRENTLY RAISING MY THREE KIDS AT 6 2 1 5 GEORGIAN CORE.

I'M IN DISTRICT 11.

UNFORTUNATELY, DESPITE WHAT VOTERS IN DALLAS WANT, THE CITY OF DALLAS PLANNING STAFF INSISTS WE NEED MORE HOUSING AND DENSITY AND THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS MUST BE CHANGED TO ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY USES WITHIN THAT ZONING FORWARD.

DALLAS 2.0 RADICALLY REDEFINES SINGLE FAMILY INTO SOMETHING THAT IS UNRECOGNIZABLE.

DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, FOUR PLEXES, COTTAGE COURTS, TINY HOMES, ADUS.

THEY'RE OVERWHELMINGLY UNPOPULAR WITH HOMEOWNERS AND DESPITE HOMEOWNER CONCERNS AND OUTCRY, THIS PLAN HAS BEEN MOVING FORWARD.

I UNDERSTAND THAT MANY HERE TODAY HAVE VISIONS OF DENSITY FOR DALLAS, BUT THAT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE MAJORITY OF DALLAS HOMEOWNERS.

WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL LISTEN TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE HERE.

I ASSURE YOU THERE WILL BE ACCOUNTABILITY.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR MAKING THE APPROPRIATE EXEMPTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

FIRST HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HOMES WERE CREATED IN THE AREA.

HI, MY NAME'S NICOLE RAFAEL.

5 5 6, WENDY LANE.

I WORK AT ST.

PHILIP'S SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY CENTER.

MY ROLE IS AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM MANAGER.

ST.

PHILIP'S, OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN A PART OF BRINGING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING TO OUR COMMUNITY, UM, WITH OVER 70 HOMES FOR SENIORS.

SOME OF THE

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MANY OF THE HOMES WERE BUILT, UM, PRIOR TO ST.

PHILIP WAS BUILT IN THE 1920S.

UM, I INVITE YOU TO COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES COULD BE.

DRIVE DOWN LYNNWAY.

YOU WILL SEE A QUADPLEX DRIVE DOWN CLEVELAND AVENUE.

CLEVELAND STREET.

YOU WILL SEE ANOTHER QUADPLEX DRIVE DOWN COLONIAL.

UM, 3006 COLONIAL.

YOU WILL SEE A 14 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX DRIVE DOWN PENNSYLVANIA, JUST, UH, A FEW BLOCKS FROM ST.

PHILIP, 1600 PENNSYLVANIA.

YOU WILL SEE A ANOTHER, UM, 20 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, DRIVE DOWN THE ROADS.

YOU'LL SEE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES DRIVE DOWN THE ROADS.

YOU'LL SEE DUPLEXES.

WE'LL BE A PART OF BRINGING ONLINE SEVEN ADDITIONAL NEW HOUSING THIS YEAR.

AND WE WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR BEING A PART OF THAT.

IN ADDITION TO BRINGING, THANK YOU SO MUCH ONLINE, ADDITIONAL HOUSING, BUT TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME.

AND I INVITE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND COME TAKE A LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY.

MY NAME IS MATT BOSS AND I LIVE AT 40 39 COLE AVENUE, NUMBER ONE 20.

I'VE LIVED IN DALLAS MY ENTIRE LIFE, BUT I'M INCREASINGLY LOSING MY FRIENDS AND PEERS TO THE SURROUNDING SPRAWL FOR ONE REASON, AFFORDABILITY.

BUT THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS ISN'T SOME UNIQUE PROBLEM.

IT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AND MANY CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, MINNEAPOLIS, ALEXANDRIA, AND AUSTIN, RIGHT HERE IN TEXAS ARE WELL ON THEIR WAY TO SOLVING THE CRISIS WITH THE EXACT SAME POLICY HOUSING CHOICE.

I FULLY SUPPORT FORD DALLAS 2.0.

IT'S THE ONLY PLAN THAT CREATES A FRAMEWORK FOR BUILDING ENOUGH HOUSING, ENOUGH TYPES OF HOUSING TO KEEP UP WITH 21ST CENTURY DEMAND HOUSING THAT NECESSARILY INCLUDES ADUS, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, AND LOW AND MID-RISE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE CITY.

I HOPE THAT THE PLACE TYPES PROPOSED IN THIS PLAN, INCLUDING COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL SUPPORT, THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, AND THE DENSITY THAT DALLAS NEEDS, NOT JUST TO GROW, BUT TO THRIVE.

AND I HOPE AS FOR DALLAS CONTINUES TO PROGRESS, YOU CAN REMEMBER THAT ITS IMPLEMENTATION IS NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS, BUT FOR EVERYONE WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE ANYMORE.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE HERE.

UH, MY NAME IS JOE BIBLE.

UH, I LIVE AT 65 20, UH, K DRIVE HERE IN DALLAS, 7 5 2 5 4.

I'M A HOMEOWNER.

UH, I JUST WANT TO REGISTER MY OPPOSITION, UH, TO THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.

UH, TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE NEED MORE OPTIONS, RIGHT? THERE ARE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE COMING TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY EVERY DAY.

WE NEED MORE OPTIONS.

UH, BUT THIS HAS NOT BEEN SUFFICIENTLY THOUGHT THROUGH, UH, FROM, UH, THE STANDPOINT OF THE STRAIN IT'S GOING TO PUT ON OUR SERVICES, AS WELL AS, UH, HOW IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE THE NOTION THAT WHERE I LIVE IN NORTHWOOD HILLS IS SUDDENLY GOING TO HAVE DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEXES, UH, GOING UP NEXT DOOR, UH, TO IT IS POSITIVELY FRIGHTENING AND THE IMPLICATIONS THAT THAT, UH, THAT THAT CREATES.

SO I DO THINK, UH, THERE ARE MANY OTHER OPTIONS, UH, THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.

MANY OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.

AND I URGE YOU, UH, THIS IS NOT READY FOR THE COUNCIL, UH, AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

UH, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.

UH, MY NAME'S BILL MARLE, LEAD AT 85 22 STABLE GLEN DRIVE IN DALLAS AND IN DISTRICT 10.

UM, I'M A OPPOSED TO ST FOR DALLAS LAND USE PLAN.

AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, SPECIFICALLY, THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL IS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS.

THE PLAN CALLS FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL ENCOMPASSES LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF LAND USE IN DALLAS, MADE UP MOSTLY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

BUT COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL SAYS WE'RE GONNA HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, COTTAGE HOMES, TINY HOUSES, WHICH ARE MANY HOUSES ON TRAILERS, DUPLEXES, PLEXES, 10 PLEXES OR LESS.

ALMOST HALF OF IT IS RENTAL.

THE PLAN GOES ALONG AND SAYS IN THE OVERVIEW THAT IT DOES NOT RECOMMEND CITY INITIATE ZONING FOR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT IT ANTICIPATES ESTABLISHING NEIGHBORHOODS WILL REMAIN LARGELY UNCHANGED.

BUT THAT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PART, IT SAYS THAT HOUSING CHOICES AND EXCESS, THAT ACCESS THAT IT SHOULD EXPLORE UPDATING THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ADUS AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO EXPLORE CHANGING THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE, OUR ZONING FOR BUILDING LIMITS AND SETBACKS.

YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

PLACE TYPES WITH DUPLEX TRIPLEX.

I THINK THIS GETS TALLER EVERY TIME I COME UP HERE.

THERE'S A LITTLE MAGIC BUTTON HERE ON THE RIGHT.

IF YOU NEED TO LOWER IT.

I, I THINK IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO, THAT'S OKAY.

DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE.

I'M GOOD.

DOLORES LEVY SOROKA, 48 22 SWISS AVENUE.

I'VE BEEN LABELED A RACIST NIMBY BOOMER AND A REASON WHY DALLAS HAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE.

WHY? BECAUSE I OPPOSE THE FORWARD DALLAS WEAKENING OF SMALL TOWN AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL

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YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THEM CLAIMING THESE ARE THE SOLUTION TO A HOUSING AFFORDABILITY CRISIS, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T.

WHAT IS NEEDED IS AN EMPHASIS ON HOME OWNERSHIP AND SINGLE FAMILY PROTECTION.

UNFORTUNATELY, FORWARD DALLAS PROMOTES BULLDOZING THE AMERICAN DREAM OF HOME OWNERSHIP.

FORWARD.

DALLAS MUST PROVIDE REAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROTECT AND REVITALIZE EXISTING FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY ARE A LEGITIMATE AND IN DEMAND HOUSING TYPE FOR EVERYONE.

IT MUST INCORPORATE PROGRAMS AND TAX ABATEMENT STRATEGIES TO INCENTIVIZE PROTECTION AND REPAIR OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ESPECIALLY IN OUR THREATENED NEIGHBORHOODS.

HANDS OFF, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, PLEASE DON'T DESTROY THEM.

CINDY HIL STERN 1 0 8 2 7 CROOKED CREEK DRIVE.

THE BULK OF MY LIFE, MY PARENTS' LIFE AND MY CHILDREN'S LIFE HAVE ALL BEEN DEVOTED TO DEVELOPING OUR LEGACY AND SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, DEVELOPING FRIENDSHIPS, DEVELOPING OUR BASIS IN LIFE.

FORD DALLAS WAS PROMOTED WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED IN THE LISTENING SESSIONS.

AND THE, TELL ME ABOUT IT.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? AS AN AVAILABILITY AND AN AFFORDABILITY, BUT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO INCREASE THE DENSITY AND TO INCREASE THE TAX BASIS FOR DALLAS, THAT'S A CITYWIDE RESPONSIBILITY.

SO PLEASE DON'T INCREASE THE DENSITY BY DESTROYING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

PLEASE SUPPORT AN AMENDMENT TO FOUR DALLAS 2.0 TO RESIDENTIALLY ZONE DISTRICTS AND PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.

KAREN ROBERTS, 5 0 2 CAMERON AVENUE.

ALL OVER DALLAS.

BUILDERS ARE TEARING DOWN OUR AFFORDABLE HOMES AND REPLACING THEM WITH HUGE MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSES.

NEW HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW COST A MILLION DOLLARS AND DUPLEXES COST $700,000 PER SIDE.

IF FORWARD DALLAS PASSES, EVEN MORE OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOMES WILL BE DEMOLISHED.

SO MULTIPLEXES CAN BE BUILT CURRENTLY IN PD 1 34, THERE ARE THREE APPLICATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY.

LOTS TO BE REZONED FOR DUPLEXES IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY HOUSING POLICY AND PD 1 34.

CITY PLANNERS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL IF PASSED.

THREE MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES WILL BE DEMOLISHED.

PLANNERS ACKNOWLEDGE FORWARD.

DALLAS DOES NOTHING FOR AFFORDABILITY.

THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS RAPIDLY DIS FADING IN DALLAS.

IF FORWARD DALLAS PASSES WITHOUT A SINGLE FAMILY PLACE TYPE AND WITHOUT PROTECTION FOR OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, HISTORIC AND CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL SOON BE GONE.

MELANIE VAN LAHAN.

63 11 LAKESHORE D 14 FORWARD DALLAS IS FILLED WITH CONDIC CONTRADICTORY, VAGUE LANGUAGE AND FEW SPECIFICS LEADING TO MISUSE, TEARDOWNS INCOMPATIBLE INFILLED DISPLACEMENT AND HIGHER TAXES.

IT OFFERS ZERO STRATEGIES FOR AFFORDABILITY.

IT SACRIFICES ALL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IN DALLAS.

IF YOU CLAIM OTHERWISE, THEN EXPLICITLY SAY AND SHOW THAT MULTIFAMILY ISN'T INTENDED WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT WILL BE PLACED NEAR DART STATIONS.

MAJOR CORRIDORS, OUTSIDE SINGLE FAMILY BOUNDARIES MAKE THE MAP AND THE MATRIX REFLECT THIS WITH CLEAR NOTES STATING OUR ZONE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EXCLUSIVELY INTENDED FOR SINGLE FAMILY USES.

SPECIFICALLY PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AS VALUABLE ASSETS CRITICAL TO THE HEALTHY SUPPLY CHAIN OF ALL HOUSING OPTIONS.

IT TAKES SPECIFIC STRATEGIES, NOT VAGUE, MISLEADING WORDS TO AVOID TEAR DOWNS AND GENTRIFICATION.

PROVE YOUR CLAIMS WITH SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT KEEPS SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS INTACT ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY.

THANK YOU YOU FOR JOINING US.

HELLO,

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MY NAME IS LAURA PALMER.

I RESIDE AT NINE 11 NORTH MADISON AVENUE AND DISTRICT ONE.

A PREVIOUS SPEAKER SPOKE ABOUT A NEIGHBORHOOD IN BISHOP ARTS.

WHAT HE HAS FAILED TO NOTICE IS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS HAPPENED SOUTH OF DAVIS WAS ACTUALLY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWN AS DALLAS LAND AND LOAN.

NOBODY KNOWS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BY THAT NAME ANYMORE.

THEY ONLY KNOW IT BY THE NAME OF BISHOP ARTS.

THEY DID NOT COME DOWN HERE IN 2010 FIGHTING FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, FIGHTING FOR THEIR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE COURSE.

SINCE THEN, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN THAT AREA LOST OVER 300 STUDENTS.

IT DROVE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OUT AND BROUGHT IN DEVELOPMENT THAT IS SIMPLY GENTRIFICATION.

I COME TO YOU FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWN AS KIDS SPRINGS, DIFFERENT DIRECTLY NORTH OF BISHOP ARTS.

THE REASON THAT WE STILL HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE DO IS BECAUSE WE ARE HERE TO FIGHT FOR OUR SINGLE FAMILY.

I SIMPLY ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION WHEN IT COMES TO OUR DISTRICT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

SPEAKER, PLEASE.

I'M DAVID CHIN, AND I LIVE AT 61 57 RICHMOND IN BEAUTIFUL DISTRICT 14 COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION, COMMITMENT, AND TIME DEVOTED TO MAKE OUR CITY BETTER.

I REALIZE YOU'VE ALL HAD A VERY, VERY LONG DAY, AND SO I'LL BE BRIEF.

I ARDENTLY SUPPORT FORWARD DALLAS, AND I HOPE THAT ALL SEE THROUGH AND DISREGARD THE FEAR AND MIS FOR INFORMATION THAT SOME CONTINUE TO PROMOTE.

FOR DALLAS TO GROW, DALLAS NEEDS MORE HOUSING, SPECIFICALLY MORE DIVERSE MIDDLE HOUSING OPTIONS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.

SINGLE FAMILY ZONING SHOULD NOT BE WALLED OFF AND REMOVED FROM THE FORD DALLAS EQUATION.

YOU CANNOT REMOVE 42% OF DALLAS AND DEVELOP AN EQUITABLE, FAIR, JUST, OR SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION.

FOR DALLAS'S.

FUTURE CITY LEADERS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BUILD THEIR CITIES AND BUILD THEM FOR THE FUTURE.

WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THE PAST, WE SHOULD RESPECT THE PRESENT, BUT WE SHOULD ALWAYS PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.

AGAIN, I SUPPORT FORD DALLAS.

HI, MY NAME'S ERICA COLE.

I'M AT 92 46 FOREST HILLS DALLAS.

UH, I REALLY AP OPPOSE THIS PLAN.

WHEN THE FIRST MEETING STARTED, I'VE BEEN TO ABOUT EIGHT OF THEM OR MORE, AND THE FIRST THING THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT WAS DENSITY.

NOW THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT DENSITY SO MUCH.

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS MY FRIENDS IN AUSTIN ARE HAVING IS THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I LIVE IN, AND MOST OF US LIVE, A LOT OF US LIVE IN IS THE TRAFFIC ON THE STREET.

IF NOW WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD DUPLEXES ON OUR STREET AND THE TRAFFIC, THE PARKING HAS BECOME ON THE STREET, HAS BECOME REALLY DIFFICULT.

REALLY DIFFICULT.

AND WHAT IF YOU HAVE A WORK TRUCK AND YOU LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR TRUCK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE OR THAT KIND OF BUSINESS? UH, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

ALSO, THE WATER AND OUR EL ELECTRICITY ARE INFRASTRUCTURES THAT ARE VERY FRAGILE.

WE GET MORE DENSITY.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE PROBLEMS. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE PROBLEMS. WE, I CAN'T WATER MY YARD.

I LOVE MY YARD.

IS THAT IT? YES, MA'AM.

HI, MY NAME IS VINNY AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT 12.

SORRY.

UH, DISTRICT 14.

UM, FOR DALLAS', MUCH NEEDED GUIDANCE TO ENVISION THE CITY'S FUTURE.

IT DOES NOT AFFECT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

IT ALLOWS FOR THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE FOR ADDITIONAL KINDS OF HOUSING, AND IMPORTANTLY DOES NOT FORCE IT.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOT RESTRICT THE NATURAL GROWTH OF A CITY AND REIGN IN HOUSING COSTS.

DALLAS NEEDS HOUSING OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE'RE NOT LIMITING CURRENT RESIDENTS AND POTENTIAL RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE.

THE GOOD THING ABOUT DENSITY IS IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF LAND.

IT COMES IN MANY FORMS OF MIDDLE HOUSING, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF OUR GROWING CITY WITHOUT AFFECTING THE LARGE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS.

I WANT TO SEE DENSITY BECAUSE IT CREATES A CONNECTED COMMUNITY WITH SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES AND HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS.

ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? OKAY.

IS THERE ANYONE

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WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE.

I, UH, GEORGE, WE'LL BEGIN WITH MS. MAYO IF SHE'S ONLINE, NOT ONLINE.

ABOUT, UH, BRONER.

YES, MR. ROSSER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, SO GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS EVAN ROSNER AND I LIVE AT 2 4 2 9 3 AVENUE, APARTMENT 3 39 HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

I STAND HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE CURRENT FORWOOD DALLAS PLANT AND FOR THE VOICES OF MY FUTURE NEIGHBORS.

THERE ARE MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.

IT WON'T FORCE HOME SALES TO TURN NEIGHBORHOODS INTO DOWNTOWNS OR MAKE DALLAS LIKE NEW YORK CITY.

THE PLAN RECOGNIZES CITIES CHANGE AND GROW AND AIMS TO MEET FUTURE NEEDS WHILE RESPECTING EXISTING COMMUNITIES.

CRITICS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT NEW NEIGHBORS, BUT I'D LIKE TO REMIND THEM THAT THEIR HOMES WERE THE NEW NEIGHBORS OF YESTERYEAR.

THE PROTECTIONS THEY ASKED FOR TODAY COULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO PROTECTING THE FARMS AND UNDEVELOPED LAND.

THEIR HOMES.

HOMES ARE BUILT ON.

MANY HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE CONCERN FOR THEIR CURRENT FAMILIES, BUT I ASK WHERE DO OUR CHILDREN LIVE AS THEY GROW? WE SHOULDN'T MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR RESIDENTS TO STAY OR NEWCOMERS TO SETTLE AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CITY'S GROWTH.

I SUPPORT THE CURRENT FORWARD DALLAS PLAN TO PREPARE FOR THE FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORS WHO WILL HELP BUILD A BETTER FUTURE FOR DALLAS.

UH, MR. BARRETT, ARE YOU ONLINE, SIR? NOT ONLINE.

HOW ABOUT, UH, MR. HEL? YES, MR. .

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

UH, MY NAME IS JENNIFER , ADDRESS, 1441 WEST MOUNT AVENUE, APARTMENT 2, 2 4, DALLAS, TEXAS AND 5 2 1 1.

AND I SERVE AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ROYAL PLANNING AND URBAN PLANNING NONPROFIT.

THE HISTORY OF DALLAS AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING.

AND THIS COUNTRY HAS ALWAYS BEEN ROOTED ABOUT RACE.

LOCAL TOOLS SUCH AS ZONING AND LAND USE PLANS HAVE BEEN USED TO PROMOTE SEGREGATION.

THIS HAS LED TO TODAY'S EXCLUSIONARY NEIGHBORHOODS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF LIMITED HOUSING OPTIONS, POLLUTION BURDEN, NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WITH ALARMING PRESSURES OF DISPLACEMENT.

THIS PLAN DOES RECOGNIZE SOME OF THESE ILLS, BUT MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE AS IT RELATES TO ANTI DISPLACEMENT.

WE NEED MORE LANGUAGE ABOUT FAIR HOUSING, SPECIFICALLY WHEN THERE'S A PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.

IS THIS ACTUALLY PROMOTING FAIR HOUSING OR IS IT EXACERBATING DISPLACEMENT IN COMMUNITIES? WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOUSING SOLUTIONS.

THEY SHOULD BE DIVERSE AND CONTEXTUALLY BASED ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND THINKING ABOUT IT ON THE CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL SENSITIVITY.

UH, MR. DILLAHUNTY, YOU MIND? YES.

READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS? YES, SIR.

YOU HEAR ME? ALL RIGHT.

HEY, THIS IS JONATHAN DILLAHUNTY.

I LIVE IN DISTRICT NINE.

I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF FORT DALLAS.

MY WIFE AND I OWN A HOME IN EAST DALLAS, WHERE WE LIVE WITH OUR DAUGHTER AND DOG.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LOCKWOOD IS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING.

AND WE WOULD WELCOME ADDING DENSITY TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH ALLOWING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, SUCH AS ADUS AND MULTI-FAMILY HOMES.

NOT ONLY WOULD THIS MAKE US A STRONGER AND MORE INCLUSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD, STEPS LIKE THIS ARE NECESSARY FOR THE FINANCIAL WELLBEING OF OUR CITY AND ENSURING WE HAVE THE TAX BASE NECESSARY SO THE CITY CAN IMPROVE UPON AND DELIVER SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

I OFTEN HEAR CRITIQUES SUPPORT DALLAS WITH NO REAL ALTERNATIVES OFFERED TO FACE THE CRISIS.

WE ARE IN A PLAN THAT DOES NOT OFFER A PATHWAY TO MEANINGFUL CHANGE IN THE CITY IS NOT A PLAN THAT CAN ADDRESS THE CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS AND SOON TO BE FISCAL CRISIS THE CITY IS FACING.

I EMPLOY THIS COMMISSION TO BE BOLD AND NOT TO RESORT TO THE MEANINGLESS HALF MEASURES THAT THE 2006 FOUR DALLAS PLAN LEFT US WITH, WHICH HAVE LED US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

THE PREVIOUS HALF MEASURES HAVE LED TO A HOUSING CRISIS, UH, AND A LOOMING FISCAL CRISIS.

I STARTED TO THANK OF WHAT ANOTHER SWING AND MISS AT THIS STAGE WILL LEAD US TO THANK VERY MUCH 15 TO 20 YEARS.

UH, MS. CHAMPION, SHE WAS HERE.

UH, MATTHEW BACH IS HERE.

NOT ALL LINE ABOUT STEVEN, UH, NORDE.

UH, ROB THOMAS, HE SPOKE.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

UH, MS. LEWIS,

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SETH, NOT ALL LINE.

NATALIE LEVI.

SHE SPOKE.

CRYSTAL ROBERTS, SPOKE MIKE NORTHROP ONLINE.

HI.

WE'LL COME TO YOU NEXT, MA'AM.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

RIGHT AFTER THIS SPEAKER.

WE WILL COME TO YOU.

PLEASE STAND BY.

WE'LL, WE'LL COME TO YOU AFTER MR. NORTHROP.

MY NAME'S MIKE NORTHROP.

I LIVE AT 5 7 0 3 GOLIAD AVENUE.

UH, I WOULD SUPPORT A, UH, ADDING LANGUAGE TO FORWARD DALLAS THAT WOULD CLARIFY THAT R SEVEN ZONING WOULD NOT BE CHANGED TO ALLOW FOR MULTIPLEXES AND TINY HOMES.

MANY OF YOU ON THIS COMMISSION HAVE EXPRESSED SURPRISE THAT THE HUGE REACTION THIS PLAN HAS GOTTEN FROM THE PUBLIC.

THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SQUISHY LANGUAGE WE'VE LIVED WITH FROM THE PRIOR FOR FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.

IMAGINE MY SURPRISE WHEN I LOOKED ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY AT ITEM NUMBER 11 TO SEE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF FOUR DALLAS ITEMS IN CONNECTION WITH A LATE NIGHT PERMIT, MANY OF WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LATE NIGHT PERMITS.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE SQUISHY LANGUAGE, SOMEBODY DECIDED THAT IT WAS RELEVANT.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS, UH, ON THE COMMISSION TO CLARIFY THIS PLAN.

UH, AND I'VE SEEN THAT THERE, UH, ABOUT A THIRD OF YOU AT LEAST HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, PROPOSED CHANGES, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE, UH, ADDRESSED BY THE COMMISSION.

UH, HANDS OFF, SINGLE FAMILY.

MA'AM, WE'RE, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

MY NAME IS MARY LOU PAREZ AND I'M A DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT.

UH, I RESIDE AT 27 0 3 KINGSTON DALLAS, 2 1 1.

AND I'M HERE TODAY TO, UH, SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE FORWARD DALLAS.

AND THE REASON I I AM, I'M HERE IS BECAUSE I FEAR FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE WIPED OUT.

AND WE SURELY, I SURELY DON'T WANT A TRIPLEX QUADPLEX NEXT TO ME.

UH, WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME, UH, AND BEING A RESIDENT IN A RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED IN MY, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE MY GRANDKIDS, KIDS CAN GO TO SCHOOL, WALK, WALK NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS IS THE AMERICAN DREAM.

AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS JUST INFILTRATED WITH MULTI MULTIFAMILY QUADPLEX COTTAGES THAT IS JUST NOT CONDUCIVE TO WHAT THE AMERICAN DREAM, NOT BEING A RESIDENTIAL, BEING A HOMEOWNER IS IMPORTANT.

NOT APARTMENTS.

THAT'S NOT THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

THAT'S NOT, UH, HELPING THE RESIDENTIAL SITUATION.

THANK YOU YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL GO BACK TO HER SPEAKERS ONLINE.

UH, RE ONLINE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME, RILEY? YES.

BUT IS YOUR CAMERA ON? I AM.

WHERE IS THE CAMERA BUTTON? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

, THAT'S PROBABLY AT THE BOTTOM NEXT TO A, UH, THE, UH, MICROPHONE ICON.

UM, I'M GONNA ASK IF YOU CAN COME BACK TO ME SO I CAN WE WILL DO THAT.

JUNE, 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

HOW ABOUT, UH, MS. SHEHORN ONLINE? OKAY.

DID YOU SAY SCHREYER PLUMBING? YES, MA'AM.

FLEMING, 70 28 JUDY STREET.

AS A DALLAS CITIZEN AND A PAST HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0.

THIS THINLY VEIL PUBLIC DECEPTION IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CITY GOVERNMENT.

PLEASE SUPPORT AN EXEMPTION TO OUR ZONE DISTRICTS AND PLAN DEVELOPMENTS FROM THIS CHANGE.

IT IS UNWISE TO IGNORE THE MANY DALLAS CITIZENS WHO ATTENDED MULTIPLE FOR DALLAS MEETINGS, AND SPECIFICALLY STATED THEIR VIEWS AND ASKED FOR THIS EXEMPTION.

CONTRARY TO POSITIVE REPORTS THAT THE CPC STRIPPED OUT MULTIPLEX FROM A LIST OF PRIMARY USES IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS OTHER CURRENTLY DISALLOWED MULTI-FAMILY USES REMAIN THESE DISALLOWED MULTIFAMILY

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USES PLACE TYPES ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE.

IF YOU THINK THIS IS SUCH A WONDERFUL PLAN, PUT IT TO THE VOTERS TO VOTE.

WE, THAT WAS MS. FLEMING.

THAT WAS MS. FLEMING.

SO ABOUT MS. SHEHORN, IS SHE ONLINE? SHE WAS.

SHE WAS ONLINE.

MAYBE WE'LL CIRCLE BACK.

HOW ABOUT, UH, MR. FORD I THINK SPOKE MR. FORD.

IS HE ONLINE? HE'S NOT ONLINE.

UH, OKAY.

HOW ABOUT MS. UH, CINDY HAL STERN, SHE SPOKE.

AND MS. RILEY, WE GET THE CAMERA GOING.

WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT, WE'LL GO BACK.

I SEE MS. MAYOS ONLINE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN.

EVELYN MAYO, 2 8 3 3 PROVINCE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 8.

UH, DISTRICT TWO.

I'M THE CO-CHAIR OF DOWN WONDERS AT RISK SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE THEME AND INTERVENTIONS IN THE PLAN, BUT URGE THE CPC AND COUNCIL TO GET MORE SPECIFIC ON THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE AND GOALS.

UM, BECAUSE WITHOUT THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE GOALS THAT EMBED THE INVOLVEMENT OF EJ ADVOCATES AND FRONTLINE RESIDENTS, WE RISK BEING INEFFECTIVE.

ON A PERSONAL NOTE, OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, I'VE RENTED APARTMENTS NEAR THE FARMER'S MARKET AND THE CEDARS AND DUPLEXES AND DISTRICT ONE'S KIDS SPRINGS AND DISTRICT ELEVENS, NORTHWOOD HILLS.

AS OF SIX MONTHS AGO, I OWN A HOME IN THE CASA VIEW HEIGHTS AREA OF DISTRICT TWO, AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY WELCOME POLICIES THAT WILL INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE OF ALL INCOMES AND REDUCE THE BURDEN OF DISPLACEMENT AND GENTRIFICATION IN THE CITY.

UH, GEORGE, WHO DO WE HAVE LEFT? I BELIEVE I, IS THAT MS. RILEY? YES.

DID WE GET OUR CAMERA WORKING? OKAY.

OKAY, HERE WE ARE.

AWESOME.

SO, I AM NOT ANTI DENSITY, BUT I AM ANTI REPLACING DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH DETACH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE IT DECREASES THE NUMBER OF DETACHED OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH WILL LEAD TO HIGHER PRICES FOR DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN DALLAS.

AND SAYS THAT IT WILL PROTECT ALL HOME CHOICES.

SO DS A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SHOULD ALSO BE PROTECTED AS WELL.

ALSO IN AREAS WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE IS ADJACENT TO THE MIXED-USE PLACE TYPE OR DALLAS SHOULD ENSURE THAT THESE AREAS THAT ARE AWAY FROM THE CITY CENTER AND FREEWAYS AND TRANSIT HUBS DO NOT OVER IDENTIFY.

UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY DEALING WITH VEHICLE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, AND, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS.

DO WE MISS ANYONE ELSE? GEORGE? DID WE MISS ANYONE ELSE? IS ANYBODY ELSE THAT WAS, THAT DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK THAT ARE STILL ONLINE? MS. EVANS, ARE YOU ONLINE? CASSIE EVANS.

WE LOSE HER.

GEORGE? NO, SHE'S ONLINE.

MS. EVANS, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

WHILE WE WAIT, I, I SEE THAT WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER HERE IN THE CHAMBER.

READY TO GO? GOOD EVENING, SIR.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIR.

SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE HOUSING AND DENSITY ASPECTS OF THE FORWARD DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

CPC, I'M HERE TO

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I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT MATURITY.

I THINK WE HAVE BEEN SO CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW THE CITY TO GROW.

WE HAVE NOT ASKED A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL ALLOW THE CITY TO MATURE.

WE ALL EITHER HAVE CHILDREN OR NO CHILDREN OR WANTS CHILDREN, THE BEDROOMS, THE FACILITIES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CRIBS THAT WE WERE RAISED IN, WE COULD NOT STAY THERE FOREVER.

AND IF YOU WERE TO ASK MY NIECE, MY UNCLES AND COUSINS, THEY WISH THAT THEIR CHILDREN COULD STAY IN THAT CRIB FOREVER AND NOT CHANGE AND NOT GROW, BUT THEY WILL GROW.

AND IF WE THINK OF OUR CITY AS ONE LARGE SINGLE FAMILY, NOT ONLY IS THE SIZE OF THAT FAMILY GROWING, BUT THE MEMBERS OF THAT FAMILY ARE ALSO GROWING AND THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR WANTS AND DESIRES AND PRIORITIES ARE CHANGING WITH IT.

SO I SUPPORT THIS FOR DALLAS PLAN BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE PEOPLE AND THE CITY AT LARGE TO NOT JUST GROW, BUT, BUT SURE.

CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? SORRY.

HEEL, COLORADO DISTRICT 14 15 0 9 MAIN STREET.

HEY THERE.

MY NAME IS KENDALL SCUTTER.

I'M AT 56 35 WORTH STREET.

I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT COMING HERE TODAY TO REGISTER TO YOU THAT I OPPOSE THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.

I'M NOT A PERSON AFRAID OF DENSITY.

WELL, MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED OUR HOME.

UH, WE'RE SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN DUPLEXES.

WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS.

THEY'RE GREAT.

THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM HERE.

THE PROBLEM HERE FOR ME IS THAT THIS PLAN IS A FAST TRACK ON GENTRIFICATION.

UH, IT IS AN ATTEMPT TO BULLDOZE THE ONLY AFFORDABLE HOMES THAT ARE LEFT AND TO BULLDOZE HOMES THAT ARE, UH, GENERATIONAL HOMES FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES, UM, THAT ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING TO STAY IN IT.

UH, ANYONE THAT SAYS THAT THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN IS POORLY INFORMED ON WHAT THIS PLAN IS.

WE HAVE ASKED IN SEVERAL TOWN HALLS, THE CITY PLANNERS, WHAT THE AFFORDABILITY ASPECT OF THIS IS.

AND THEY HAVE TOLD US REPEATEDLY, THIS IS NOT AN AFFORDABILITY DOCUMENT.

THIS DOES NOT MAKE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE.

I HAVE WORKED FOR HOUSING DEVELOPERS.

THIS IS A FIELD THAT I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY.

AND I'M TELLING YOU, THIS IS A PLAN TO MAKE HOUSING MORE EXPENSIVE IN DALLAS AND TO PUSH LOW INCOME PEOPLE OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY SO THAT A BUNCH OF AFFLUENT PEOPLE HAVE BETTER PLACES TO WALK AROUND.

AND THAT IS NOT A FAIR WAY TO OPERATE.

YOU DO NOT THROW OUT LOW INCOME FAMILIES FROM THEIR HOMES SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE FANCIER AREAS TO LIVE IN.

IT'S NOT RIGHT.

IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

UH, AND I'M ASKING YOU TODAY, AS HAS THE VAST MAJORITY OF CITIZENS THAT HAVE SHOWN UP AT THESE TOWN HALLS TO OPPOSE THIS FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

UH, IT'S SAD TO ME THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

UH, OKAY.

UH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE FILL OUT THE LITTLE YELLOW CARD, IT WOULD BE AWESOME.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WE HAVE ONLINE THAT HASN'T SPOKE? GEORGE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR ALL YOUR COMMENTS.

UH, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I BELIEVE THE NAME WAS MR. TONY, THE FIRST SPEAKER.

IS HE STILL HERE? YES, SIR.

I BELIEVE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID WAS THAT YOU THOUGHT DENSITY WAS APPROPRIATE AT TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? SAY THAT AGAIN.

UH, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID WAS THAT YOU BELIEVE DENSITY WAS APPROPRIATE AT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS ALONG TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR DEFINITION IS OF A TRANSIT CORRIDOR? I CAN GIVE YOU A LOOSE DEFINITION.

THERE ARE A LOT OF 4, 6 8 LANE ROADS ACROSS DALLAS THAT ARE ARTERIALS WHERE IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR GENTLE DENSITY.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

EXPANDS WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SCOPE OF, UH, HIGHER DENSITY NEAR TRENDS ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT COULD BE.

I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE ARE MENTIONING.

'CAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF TRANSITORY, DEFINITIONS OF DENSITY IN THIS DOCUMENT.

YOU KNOW, ONE DEFINITION SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT, UH, WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK OF AS, YOU KNOW, DART RAIL STATIONS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THEN IT ALSO GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT TRANSIT ORIENTED DENSITY BEING APPROPRIATE, UM, ON TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS OR NEAR BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE OR TRAILS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY

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SO, UM, THAT WAS THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING.

I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THERE.

THANK YOU, CATE.

UH, COMMISSIONER, WE GO TO THE NEXT QUESTIONS.

WE DO HAVE MS. EVANS ONLINE.

TO BE FAIR, WE'LL TAKE HER COMMENTS.

THE SEVEN.

WE'RE READY.

HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, I WANTED, MY NAME IS MARY CASSANDRA EVANS.

MY NICKNAME IS CASSIE.

I LIVE AT 62 0 7 BLACKBERRY LANE, THREE WORDS, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 8 IN THE, UM, DISTRICT 11 OF DALLAS COUNTY.

AND, UM, I THINK MY CONCERNS WITH FORWARD DALLAS AND THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PROJECT, I THINK IT'S CALLED PROJECT 2033 THAT WAS ADOPTED IN APRIL, 2022 OR 2023, IS THAT THEY ALL PURPORT TO, UH, OR BOTH PURPORT TO, UM, WANT TO FOSTER, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN DALLAS COUNTY.

BUT THE RECENT, UH, SINCE 2020, UM, THE RECENT HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED, THAT HAS BEEN, UM, APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN THE MAJORITY, OVER 80% ARE, ARE LUXURY APARTMENTS, WHICH MOST PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD.

SO I I, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE INTENT BEHIND.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US MS. SEVENTH.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

I APPRECIATE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANY SPEAKER? COMMISSIONER FORESITE? I BELIEVE IT WAS STEPHANIE, UH, WHO, UH, MENTIONED THAT SHE FELT THAT THE PLAN FALLS SHORT ON ANTI DISPLACEMENT STRATEGIES.

IS, IS STEPHANIE STILL HERE? DID SHE LEAVE? YES, MS. JACKIE LEFT WHAT SHE DID.

ALL THEIR LOGOS ARE ON OUR WEBSITE@DALLASHOUSINGCOALITION.COM.

WHAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER, PLEASE.

UM, COULD YOU HAVE, UM, THE FIRST SPEAKER COME BACK UP AGAIN, PLEASE? HE'S READY.

COMMISSIONER REAGAN, HOW ARE YOU DOING? UM, SO, UM, UM, I, AND I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED, UM, THE COURT.

COULD YOU TELL ME ABOUT HOW MANY, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE A PART OF THE HOUSING COALITION THAT, THAT, UH, WHO STUDIED, UH, THE HOUSING NEEDS FOR DALLAS? YES.

WE HAVE NOW OVER 200 EXACTLY 230 MEMBERS.

UH, WE HAVE GROUPS SPANNING A RP TO CHILDREN'S HEALTH, UH, TO COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS.

UH, SO I DEFINITELY RECOMMEND LOOK, TAKING A LOOK AT THAT WEBSITE.

UH, WE'LL BE SPOTLIGHTING THEM ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AT DALLAS HOUSING COALITION IN THE COMING WEEKS.

I'M ASKING, I NEED, I'M ASKING, GOING SOMEWHERE WITH THIS.

SO I'M ASKING YOU THE QUESTIONS TO MAKE A BASIS.

ARE YOU ALSO, UM, UM, DOES YOUR ORGANIZATION ALSO REPRESENT, UM, A VAST DIFFERENT MAJORITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS? OR IS IS IT JUST TO ONE AREA? NO, WE ARE CITYWIDE.

UH, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL.

WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE WHO WORK ACROSS THE CITY.

UH, SEVERAL OF OUR MEMBERS, UH, SPOKE THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT IN THOSE MEMBERS, UH, HAVE YOU ALL HAVE DONE A, A DRASTIC LOOK AT THE CITY OF DALLAS, BOTH FROM A HISTORICAL, UH, UM, VIEW AND TO WHAT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED IN THE, IN THE FUTURE? YES.

AND HOW WOULD IT SAVE THE HOUSING? AND YES.

AND IN THAT FINDING IS THAT, IS IN THAT FINDING THAT THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, OF, OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS NOT NE, ARE NOT SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO DISRUPT, UM, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THEY WILL LIKE TO FIND, THEY WILL WANT TO HAVE AN OPTION FOR LONG AREAS, UM, ALONG AREAS SUCH AS MAJOR CORRIDORS, TDS, UM, LAND WHERE DENSITY COULD AND MATTER COULD HAPPEN.

YEP, THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, WE HAVE MEMBERS DOING HISTORICAL WORK IN THE BOTTOMS DISTRICT, WEST DALLAS, SOUTH DALLAS, AS FAR DOWN AS FLORAL FARMS, UH, AS FAR NORTH AS, UH, SOME OF OUR JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTERS.

SO, UH, AND TO THE EAST, UH, AS WELL.

SO, UH, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THOSE STATEMENTS.

AND ONE LAST, AND ONE LAST, UH, UM, THING I'M GONNA ASK YOU AND I'M GONNA LET YOU GO.

IF THE CITY OF DALLAS DOES NOT ALLOW DENSITY, ESPECIALLY, LET ME SAY THIS, IS THE MAJORITY, THE MAJORITY OF DALLAS IS HAVE SINGLE SUCH ZONES LIKE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS THAT NECESSARILY DO NOT HAVE HOUSING.

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UM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHEN YOU ALL ARE DOING YOUR RESEARCH, YOU'RE LOOKING TO TO, TO ENSURE THAT THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR COMMUNITIES ARE PROTECTED, BUT ALSO CREATING DENSITY, WHETHER THAT'S SMALL IN SOME SMALL, UH, MIDDLE HOUSING IN SOME AREAS, BUT A LARGER SO THEY CAN BE, SO THAT OUR COMMUNITIES CAN GROW WITH THOSE THAT ARE SO THEY WON'T BE DISPLACEMENT.

YEAH, IT'S A BOTH AND ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED TO PRESERVE AND, AND KEEP OUR EXISTING RESIDENTS HERE.

I APPRECIATE, UH, KENDALL'S COMMENTS AND OTHERS WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THE ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT, UH, WILL BE COMING FROM THE BUILDERS OF HOPE.

UH, CDC, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION DEPARTMENT.

SO WE'LL WORK, YOU KNOW, JOINTLY WITH, UH, THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF BECAUSE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ARE HANDLING DIFFERENT COMPONENTS, WHETHER IT'S THE TAXES, WHETHER IT'S, UH, THE PLANNING.

SO, UH, AS A COALITION, UH, WE'RE WORKING ACROSS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, UH, WITH ALL OF OUR MEMBERS WHO ARE AS GREATLY CONCERNED ABOUT DISPLACEMENT, UH, AS ANYBODY 'CAUSE WE ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY IT.

AND ONE LAST EXAMPLE, UM, ARE YOU ALL, YOU, YOU ARE WORKING WITH ICDC, AM I CORRECT, UM, WITH MS. UH, RAGSDALE AND, UM, PASTOR, UH, UM, I THINK BRIAN, UH, BILLY LANE.

THEY'RE TWO MEMBERS OF OUR STEERING COMMITTEE ON OUR LEADERSHIP.

AND HAVE, AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE PROJECT THAT THEY CO-CREATED WITH THE DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT ALLOW FOR, UH, TOWN HOME, UH, TO, TO REBUILD TOWN HOME TYPE APARTMENTS, UH, AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS, AND ALSO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WERE FOR SALE THAT WAS ON PREVIOUS DHA PROPERTIES, BUT, AND THEY DID THAT SOME 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO TO HELP CREATE HOME OWNERSHIP AS WELL AS RENTAL, AND THEY COEXIST WELL, YEAH, THERE'S SEVERAL SUCCESS STORIES ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY THAT, UH, YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND YOURSELF HAVE WORKED ON.

AND WE'D LOVE TO ELEVATE PROJECTS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE.

UH, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE CREATING, UH, SOME OF THAT AFFORDABILITY IS FROM, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF CITY INVESTMENT OR, UH, INCENTIVE.

UH, SO WHILE, YOU KNOW, FORWARD DALLAS DOESN'T SPEAK TO, UH, AFFORDABILITY DIRECTLY, UH, IT DOES CREATE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE HOUSING CHOICE AND ACCESS CITYWIDE, UH, THAT WE NEED.

OTHERWISE, UH, IT'S JUST A REALLY ONE-OFF SITUATION BECAUSE WE NEED 50 MORE OF THOSE SUCCESSFUL ICDC PROJECTS IN REALITY, OUR NEED IS SO GREAT AS A CITY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID HAVE SOME THAT YOU ALL ARE ACTUALLY COMING BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE DOING HISTORICAL.

UM, YOU ALL ARE ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND SURVEYING COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS AND GATHERING THAT INFORMATION.

BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

APPRECIATE YOU.

COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT? YES.

MELANIE, WOULD YOU COME DOWN? MELANIE VAN CAM? MELANIE, WOULD YOU COME DOWN PLEASE? THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK DOWN.

SURPRISED.

I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR PERSPECTIVE, 'CAUSE I, I KNOW THAT, UH, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MAYBE 1% OF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS WHO'VE READ THE FOUR DALLAS PLAN, MAYBE LESS, AND YOU'RE ONE OF THEM WHO'S READ IT BACKWARDS FORWARDS, EE EVERY WHICH WAY.

AND I KNOW HOW CONSCIENTIOUS YOU ARE.

IT'S VAGUE.

AND, AND YOU BROUGHT UP IN YOUR, IN YOUR DISCUSSION, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, THERE'S SO MUCH CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE AND IT'S ALSO VERY VAGUE IN PLACES IN THE PLAN.

UM, I HEARD A LOT TODAY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING FORD DALLAS, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE DENSITY, UH, ALONG THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS AND THE ARTERIALS.

AND, AND, UM, AND, AND, AND, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PERSPECTIVES OF THE TWO SIDES.

IS THERE, I I'VE HEARD A LOT OF OVERLAP.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT? I, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A LOT OF OVERLAP, BUT I THINK THAT THE VERY VAGUE, UM, UH, FLIMSY LANGUAGE IN THE DOCUMENT, UH, CONFUSES A LOT OF PEOPLE.

UH, UH, BOTH SIDES SAY THE OTHER SIDE IS MISINFORMED.

UM, AND THE, UH, THE MATRIX SHOWS

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ONE THING.

THE MAP SHOWS THAT IT'S, UM, BROAD BRUSH HAPPENING.

YOU KNOW, THAT BIG GIANT YELLOW AREA ACROSS THE ENTIRE MAP.

THE MAP, THE MATRIX SAYS ALL OF THESE USES ARE, ARE, UM, EITHER PRIMARY OR SECONDARY IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS.

YET WE HEAR, UM, IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, LEADERS SAY THAT, OH NO, WE INTEND THIS TO BE ALONG CORRIDORS.

OH NO, WE DO NOT INTEND THIS TO BE IN, UM, SINGLE FAMILY.

NO, WE INTEND THIS TO BE AROUND TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THE MATRIX DOESN'T SHOW THAT.

THE MAP REALLY DOESN'T SHOW THAT.

AND THOSE TWO PRODUCTS WILL ABSOLUTELY BE THE TWO GO-TO, UM, IMAGES THAT DEVELOPERS WILL GO TO AND A LOT OF CITIZENS WILL GO TO TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT.

AND THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE CONTRADICTORY WITH THE LANGUAGE IN THE DOCUMENT AND IN WHAT IS BEING SAID AND THE CLAIMS FROM LEADERSHIP.

SO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK, UM, IS, IS THE COMPROMISE HERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE COULD HAVE THE TWO SIDES TO COME TOGETHER? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE ONE OF THE SMARTEST PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE FAIR AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT JUST A NIMBY YOU KNOW, NOT IN MY BACKYARD TYPE OF PERSON.

I I'VE WORKED ON COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

I KNOW.

UH, FOR DALLAS 2.0 TO GUIDE SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, AND I, I KNOW ABOUT BALANCING NEEDS, BUT THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE BIGGEST NEED, AND THAT IS AFFORDABILITY.

UH, IT, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AFFORDABILITY.

IT HAS VERY FLIMSY LANGUAGE.

IT HAS HOPES AND DREAMS FOR AFFORDABILITY.

UM, BUT HOPING IS NOT PLANNING.

AND THIS IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT COMING FROM, SO-CALLED PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS IN OUR CITY THAT SHOULD BE LEADING VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PLANNING, NOT HOPING IT NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, THESE KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING DONE ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PLANS COMING OUT OF OTHER CITIES, THEY ADDRESS AFFORDABILITY HEAD ON.

THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T DO IT.

IT IS THE PRIMARY PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO ADDRESS IT.

SO WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO TO MAKE THIS PLAN WHOLE? I THINK THAT THE, THE MAP, I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY IN MAPPING SOMETHING SO SPECIFIC, SO BROAD.

THE MAP ITSELF COULD HAVE DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT THAT BIG YELLOW AREA INTENDS.

IF YOU INTEND IT NOT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF SINGLE FAMILY, THEN THE MAP NEEDS A YELLOW CODE THAT SAYS EXACTLY THAT.

IT'S, UH, THE, IT NEEDS A KEY, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, THE VERY SIMPLE MAPPING SOLUTION.

THE, THE MAP COULD SAY THAT THE YELLOW AREA, UM, UH, INCLUDES THESE PRIMARY, UH, USES OF SINGLE FAMILY.

IT'S INTENDED A SINGLE FAMILY.

IT MAY HAVE THESE SECONDARY USES, BUT THESE SECONDARY USES ARE SPECIFICALLY PROPOSED IN THESE AREAS.

WITHIN THAT YELLOW AREA, THE MAP COULD BE MUCH TIGHTER AND MUCH MORE SPECIFIC.

AND THE MATRIX IS VERY CONFUSING.

UM, IT, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP SAYING TAKE THE OTHER BLACK DOTS OFF THE, OFF THE OTHER USES BECAUSE IT IS CONFUSING.

UM, STAFF SEEMS TO REFUSE TO DO THAT.

PDS ARE ANOTHER THING THAT ARE A BIG HOLE IN THIS DOCUMENT.

PLAN DEVELOPMENTS ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

WE REALIZE THAT THEY, THEY, THEY ARE CUMBERSOME, BUT THEY'RE THERE.

THE LEGAL LANGUAGE DEFINING THE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN PDS, IS THERE STAFF REFUSES TO PUT IN THAT PDS WILL BE RECOGNIZED.

WHY, WHY IS THAT? I REALIZE THEY DON'T LIKE PDS, BUT THEY KEEP APPROVING THEM.

THE DOC, THE DOCUMENT NEEDS SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT PDS AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF EACH ONE WILL BE RESPECTED AND RECOGNIZED WITHIN FOR DALLAS.

IT, THEY, AT THIS POINT, THEY ARE USING, UM, JUST THE VAGUE LANGUAGE OF AN UNIMPROVED,

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IN SOME OF THE CASES THAT YOU SAW TONIGHT, THEY HAVE SAID THE PD REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE, UH, USELESS AND, UH, IRRELEVANT.

HOW CAN OUR OWN PLANNING STAFF SAY THAT THEY ARE OBLIGATED IN THEIR JOBS TO, FOR, TO, TO MARICK AND ON WHAT IS APPROVED ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW.

AND PDS ARE IN THERE, SO, AND PDS AREN'T GONNA GO AWAY.

SO PD DEFINITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE IN THE, FOR DALLAS, IT'S A BIG HOLE.

I HAVE PLEASE, FOLKS.

I, I APPRECIATE IT.

UH, MS. MS. VANDEN INGHAM.

NOT A BETTER PERSON.

OFFICER COMMISSIONER FOR SEC, CAN YOU TURN OFF YOUR, YOUR MIC PLEASE? IT, IT CAUGHT YOUR COMMENT THERE.

I KNOW THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THE DRAFT THAT STAFF PUT OUT IN EARLY JUNE, UM, TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICT CONSERVATION DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LED EFFORTS, UM, REFLECTING A THOUGHTFUL COLLABORATION AMONGST STAKEHOLDERS THAT, UM, REFLECTING A COMP, A THOUGHTFUL COLLABORATION AMONGST STAKEHOLDERS THAT ALLOW NEIGHBORHOODS TO ESTABLISH A MORE DETAILED VISION OF THEIR COMMUNITY, WHICH FORWARD DALLAS DOES NOT CHANGE, NOR MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT PART OF THE DOCUMENT? UM, SURE.

IT SAYS THAT.

AND DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO ADDRESS PDS? OH YEAH.

IT'D BE VERY EASY TO PUT IT THERE.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT ON BACK IN JUNE WE ADDED PDS INTO THAT SECTION OF THE DOCUMENT? UH, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ANYWHERE ELSE.

WELL, TODAY IT READS HISTORIC DISTRICTS, CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAYS, AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LED EFFORTS, INCLUDING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS REFLECT A THOUGHTFUL COLLABORATION AMONGST STAKEHOLDERS THAT ALLOW NEIGHBORHOODS TO ESTABLISH A MORE DETAILED VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH FORWARD DALLAS DOES NOT CHANGE, NOR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE.

DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS? UH, NOT ENOUGH.

IT JUST OUTRIGHT NEEDS TO SAY PDS WILL BE, UH, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS OF PDS WILL BE, UM, RESPECTED AND FOLLOWED AND NOT CHANGED BY, FOR DALLAS.

SO PDS CAN'T BE TOUCHED IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC THAT, THAT WAS A LOT OF LANGUAGE JUST TO SAY THAT PDS, UM, ARE PROTECTED.

MR. DALE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MA'AM, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING DOWN MR. DALE? UH, OKAY.

WHILE YOU'RE COMING DOWN, MR. DALE, WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP HERE.

COMMISSIONER SHERNOFF.

OF, OF THE IMPROVEMENT MEASURES THAT YOU MENTIONED, HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE FOR YOU TO, UH, SUPPORT THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN? UH, ALL OF THE IMPORTANT ONES ARE, SO IF THE, THE ONES THAT YOU MENTIONED, IF THE THOSE IDEAS WERE IMPLEMENTED, YOU WOULD THEN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.

I THINK THAT, UM, A LOT OF RESIDENTS WOULD BE A LOT HAPPIER IF IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC THAT YOUR HIGH DENSITY PROPOSALS NO, I WAS ASKING THE WHOLE BIG LIST.

I WAS ASKING YOU FOR YOU, FOR YOU SPECIFIC, FOR YOU, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU OF THE, THE IMPROVEMENT MEASURES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED TO US? IF THOSE WERE IMPLEMENTED, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN? UH, I THINK THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UH, IT WOULDN'T BE WHAT I CAN THINK OF ON THE FLY.

SO TO BE FAIR, I THINK THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE'D HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND GIVE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT IT AND NOT JUST A OFF THE FLY CONVERSATION, TO BE FAIR.

HAS SOME HOLES AT OTHER RESIDENTS THAT ARE MORE, UM, FOCUSED ON THAT.

UH, MS. RAGSDALE, THERE'S ONE MORE QUESTION OVER HERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UH, YES.

MS. YES.

YOU, MS. MS. LET, UM, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU, YOU THINK THAT THIS PLAN NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY REWORKED FOR YOUR COM FOR YOUR, UM, APPROVAL? NO, THERE ARE LOTS OF GREAT THINGS ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT.

I MEAN, THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, UM, CHAPTER IS FANTASTIC.

UH, I THINK THAT, UH, IT

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BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN VERY, UH, FOCUSED ON THE IMPACTS AND CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT THE PROPOSALS, UH, FOR DALLAS WOULD HAVE ON, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, I AM, UH, A COMMUNITY, UH, DESIGNER AND PLANNER.

AND SO I DO TEND TO LOOK AT LOTS OF DIFFERENT, UM, ASPECTS OF SUCH A PLAN.

UH, SO THERE, THERE ARE LOTS OF IMPROVEMENTS IT COULD HAVE BEYOND JUST, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SCRAPPED.

THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD WORK THERE.

UH, I THINK THAT IT, UM, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND DIRECT IN ITS INTENT SO THAT WHEN YOU ARE FACED WITH DEVELOPERS WHO COME AND STAND RIGHT HERE AND SAY, I WANNA BUILD A PLEX.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND FOURPLEXES, BUT THIS DOCUMENT SAYS A PLEX CAN BE BUILT NEXT TO ANY OF OUR HOMES.

ANY IT A PLEX? IT DOES NOT SAY THAT.

SO, UM, I, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION AND THEN I'M GONNA LET, I'M GOING TO, BECAUSE MS, BECAUSE MS. RAGSDALE MADE A VERY GOOD POINT.

SO ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, FORWARD DALLAS IS NOT A ZONING PLAN? I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT OKAY.

SO SOMETHING MS. RAGSDALE SAID WHEN, WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE MADE A, HER POINT WAS THAT IN ORDER TO PUT IT ON THE GROUND NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE, AND IT'S NOT ZONED THAT WAY, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.

AND THAT PROCESS SAYS THAT A DUPLEX, A TRIPLEX, A QUAD, A A MULTIPLEX IN ORDER FOR IT TO GET NEXT TO A RESIDENCE.

AND THAT'S NOT ZONED THAT WAY, UH, TO A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, THIS BODY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT WITH THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO SAY YES OR NO.

AND IT'S DONE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.

THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS PLAN THAT SAYS THAT IT CAN AUTOMATICALLY BE DONE UNLESS IT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE MS. RAGS DID.

UNDERSTOOD.

SAID, YEAH.

UNDERSTOOD.

HOWEVER, UH, IN MY OWN, I'M SORRY, I, BUT ARE YOU APPRECIATING THE FACT THAT THIS PLAN, AND I USE THE ANALOGY, UM, THAT, AND MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HEARD ME SAYING THIS ANALOGY, THE PLAN IS, IS AT A 40 FOOT LEVEL IN AN AIRPLANE, WE, THE, THE PLAN IS TO SIT UP AND LOOK AT WHAT IS THE BEST OR WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDED USE AT A 40 FOOT LEVEL.

SO WHEN YOU'RE ON A PLANE AND YOU'RE 40 FOOT AND YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN, YOU CAN ONLY SEE ROOFTOPS.

YOU CANNOT SEE THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, ITEM.

YOU CAN SAY, OH, THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THIS, AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT, THAT WE ARE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THIS AT THE, AT THE CITY OF DALLAS AT THE 40 FOOT LEVEL.

WE'RE NOT GETTING ON THE GROUND AS WE LAND A PLANE.

UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I, I UNDER, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT COMPREHENSIVE OKAY, THANK YOU.

PLAN DOES.

WE WOULD HOW OFTEN WOULD NEIGHBORS HAVE TO BE THAT WAS ASKED TO WHAT SHE ASKED YOU, MS. HY, BUT, BUT WE'LL GO THERE.

DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. DALE.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW A DID YOU ASK A QUESTION? GO AHEAD.

I ASKED HER WAS SHE AWARE? SHE SAID THAT YES, SHE WAS AWARE THAT, THAT THIS IS A PLAN AT THE 40 FOOT LEVEL.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT STATE LAW SAYS THAT ZONING FOLLOWS IT.

AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND FOR YEARS OF BEING HERE IN THIS CHAMBER, THAT DEVELOPERS COME HERE AND SAY, IF YOUR INTENT AND YOUR COMP, YOUR CITY APPROVED, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS, I CAN BUILD THIS, THIS IS YOUR INTENT, THEN, UH, YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO SAY, OH, GOSH.

YEAH, HE'S FOLLOWING THE, THE, THE PROVED PLAN THAT WE SAID THAT WE INTEND TO DO.

AND THEREFORE, THAT KIND OF ZONING GETS PUSHED THROUGH.

AND THAT KIND OF ZONING LOT BY LOT, BY LOT, BY LOT.

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NO, YOU WERE HERE AT THE HEARING TODAY.

SHE ASKED YES.

SHE ASKED IF I DID.

ARE YOU THAT ON EVERY CASE TODAY AT THIS HEARING, OUR HANDS WERE TIED TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S ON FORWARD DALLAS.

THAT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT ON EVERY CASE I SAID THAT IT WOULD INFLUENCE IT.

CAN I FINISH MY QUESTION? NO, I DID NOT SAY EVERY CASE ON THIS HEARING TODAY, OUR HANDS ARE BOUND TO THE, OUR DALLAS RECOMMENDATION.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT BECAUSE YOU'VE APPROVED THE PLAN.

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID.

YOU SAID THAT STATE LAW REQUIRES FOR US TO FOLLOW THE PLAN.

SO THEREFORE, TODAY ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS READ THE CASE REPORT, LOOK AT WHAT THE FOUR DALLAS RECOMMENDATION IS AND FOLLOW THAT.

THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S YOUR POSITION.

THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS.

THAT'S YOUR POSITION, RIGHT? THAT'S NO WHAT? SO THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE TODAY AT THIS, AT THE HORSESHOE.

IS THAT CORRECTS WHAT STATE LAW SAYS? IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED TODAY? THAT'S WHAT STATE LAW SAYS.

IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED TODAY? DID DID WE FOLLOW THE FOR DALLAS RECOMMENDATION? ARE WE TIED TO IT? WELL, I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS, I I PLEASE FIND IT INTERESTING THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THINGS THAT ARE AGAINST IT.

SO DO WE FOLLOW IT EVERY TIME? PARDON ME? ARE OUR HANDS TIED TO THE RECOMMENDATION? IT IS, IT INFLUENCED YOUR DECISION.

YOU, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, BUT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

YOU, YOU, YOU IMPLIED THAT OUR HANDS ARE TIED BY THE RECLAMATION.

I ON HANDS.

I CAN TELL YOU AFTER VOTING ON THOUSANDS OF CASES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CATEGORICALLY INCORRECT.

AND THAT CATEGOR CATEGORICALLY IS INCORRECT AS TO WHAT I SAID.

MR, JUST, JUST A COUPLE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON SALE.

YOU'RE AWARE THAT CHAPTER TWO 13 ALLOW OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO DEFINE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LOCAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

RIGHT? AND TWO 11 SAYS IT SHOULD FOLLOW IT, AND TWO 13 SAYS MUNICIPALITIES CAN DEFINE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO.

IS THAT RIGHT? OR ARE WE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT STATE PART? I'M ASKING YOU WHAT CHAPTER TWO 13 SAYS, MA'AM, WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME AND YOU AGREE.

DID YOU DISAGREE WITH ME THERE? WHAT ABOUT TWO 11? I'M, I'M ASKING YOU.

TWO 13 ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO DEFINE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU IGNORING TWO 11? TWO 11 IS THERE TOO, I'M ASKING YOU WHAT THE TWO 13 SAYS THAT CORRECT.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE WHOLE STATUTE HAS TO BE LOOKED AT, BUT TWO 11 CAN'T BE IGNORED.

YOU READ THEM TOGETHER.

AND IF I WERE A DEVELOPER, I WOULD ARGUE THAT TWO 11 NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED.

AND THEN WE LOOK AT OUR CITY CODE AND TELL ME IF I, I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY.

IT SAYS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS IS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SERVES MERELY AS A GUIDE FOR REZONING REQUESTS RATHER THAN AS A MANDATORY RESTRICTION ON THE CITY'S AUTHORITY TO REGULATE LAND USE IT'S CODE.

AND AS A DEVELOPER, I WOULD SAY CODE, YOU APPROVED IT AND IT SHOULD BE A GUIDE.

ISN'T THIS YOUR INTENT? AND WE'RE FREE TO DISAGREE WITH DEVELOPERS.

WE DISAGREE WITH DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME AROUND THIS HORSESHOE, RIGHT? YES, I AGREE WITH YOU.

THE POINT IS THAT IT DOES INFLUENCE DECISION MAKING AND IT SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC.

AND IT'S ONE OF MANY FACTORS THAT WE LOOK AT.

WE LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN, WE LOOK AT COMMUNITY INPUT, WE LOOK AT THE FACTS ON THE GROUND BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER BLAIR SAID, THIS COMP PLAN LOOKS AT THINGS THAT THE 40,000 FOOT LEVEL, THE 40,000 FOOT LEVEL, RIGHT.

NOT ON THE GROUND.

IT GUIDES THE DECISIONS AND IT GUIDES THE EVENTUAL ZONING.

ONE OF MANY GUIDES, RIGHT, SIR? THE COMP PLAN IS ONE OF JUST MANY GUIDES, RIGHT? IT DEFINITELY IS A DIS A GUIDE, DIRECT GUIDE FOR EVENTUAL ZONING.

AND IT'S ONE OF JUST LIKE IT WAS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

AND IT'S ONE OF MANY GUIDES, RIGHT? IT'S NOT THE SOLE GUIDE.

UH, I THINK THE CITY OF AUSTIN WOULD BE, UM, WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT I'M NOT ASKING THE CITY OF AUSTIN MA, THERE IS ZONING, THEIR ZONING CHANGES CAME DIRECTLY FROM BEING ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THEIR LAND USE PLAN.

IS PLANNERS RECOMMEND THAT IT IS UP TO EVERY COMMISSIONER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INVOLVED WITH THEIR COMMUNITY AND HAVE THE INPUT AND THE, AND THE INPUT OF THE COMMUNITY BEFORE MAKING A DEAL? BECAUSE THERE'S OFTENTIMES THAT WE DO HAVE CASES AND IT IS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT TO GO FORWARD WITH US, BUT IT IS EACH AND EVERY COMMISSIONER'S, UM, DUTY TO GET WITH THOSE PLANNERS.

AND IT'S ONE OF, WE CAN ALSO BE GUIDED BY CITIZENS LIKE YOU.

YOU, YOU'VE COME DOWN AND ADVOCATED ON ZONING CASES, RIGHT? YES.

AND I WOULD USE A LAND USE PLAN AS MY, AS AS PART OF MY BASIS.

BUT YOU COULD DISAGREE WITH THE LAND USE PLAN AND COME DOWN HERE AND ADVOCATE, RIGHT? WELL, I COULD, BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE THE APPROVED LAND USE PLAN BEHIND ME.

WE LOOK AT ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS, DON'T WE WHEN WE MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS AND ZONING DECISIONS AROUND HERE? I HOPE SO.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ARE YOU, UM, MA'AM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH WITH, UH, UH, LAND USE PLANS AND, AND DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CITY OF THAT, THAT OFTEN OUR PLANNERS, UM,

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UM, OFTEN HOLD CASES UNTIL THE COMMUNITY CAN GET INVOLVED.

AND WE HOLD CASES OFTEN THAT LOOKS FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE AND THE PLANNER AT HINDSIGHT LOOKS AND MIGHT SAY YES, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITIES AT OUR COMMUNITY, WE OFTEN VOTE AGAINST THOSE CASES OR WE GO HAVE, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

AND WE DON'T, I I KNOW PERSONALLY AS THE COMMISSIONER MYSELF, THAT THE YOUNG LADY THAT'S ABOUT TO COME UP BEHIND YOU AND SPEAK, SHE GETS MORE PHONE CALLS THAN SHE EVER PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO GET IT FROM ME ON CASES, UM, CONCERNING HOUSING, MOST DEFINITELY WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT SEVEN.

UM, THERE IS NOT PROBABLY ONCE TO TWICE, THREE TIMES A WEEK, MS. RAGSDALE GET A CALL BEFORE, UH, AND DO I NEED TO VET THIS? HOW DO WE VET THAT? AND THAT'S BECAUSE EACH COMMISSIONER AROUND THIS HORSESHOE HAS A, HAS A OBLIGATION TO GO TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT EARLIER TODAY BECAUSE HIS, HE, HE WANTS TO GET WITH HIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

YES, IN THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE DO NEED SOME SENIOR HOUSING IN THAT AREA.

BUT HE ALSO HAS THE OBLIGATION THAT HE WANTS TO GO TALK TO HIS COMMUNITY AND SAY, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS PROJECT EITHER GO THROUGH OR KILL THIS PROJECT? BECAUSE IT IS A COMMUNITY INPUT BASED OFF OF EACH CASE THAT COMES BEFORE US.

THIS, THE, THE IDEAL THAT WE ARE GOING TO SAY THAT THIS IS A FULL CITY, ANYWHERE NEXT DOOR TO YOUR HOUSE TYPE OF, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS JUST ENTIRELY NOT TRUE.

THIS IS LOOKING AT AND OPENING THE DOORS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY ARE COMING DOWN AND SPEAKING AGAINST THIS IS ACTUALLY ARE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE HERE IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.

AND IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS, IF WE DO NOT OPEN THE DOOR TO DENSITY, OUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN AND GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN WILL BE LIVING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A QUESTION THERE.

I DIDN'T HEAR ONE.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OF COURSE THERE THE QUESTION MIGHT BE, IS THIS RIGHT HERE, THE DI THAT THAT IS, DO YOU, HAVE YOU READ THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ASKING FOR DENSITY BUT TO IS STILL BE REGULATED PER NEIGHBORHOOD, PER ZONING WITH THE HELP OF THE COMMUNITY? I THINK THAT THERE ARE GREAT PLACES FOR DENSITY AND THAT OUR CITY DOES NEED TO GROW AND WE DO NEED, UM, ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE MIX.

I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE GREAT PLACES FOR THAT TO HAPPEN AND THE COMMUNITY ABSOLUTELY, UM, MUST BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE CBC WORKS SO LONG AND HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED WITH THAT.

AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, WE HAD THIS HEARING TODAY TO HEAR BOTH SIDES.

UM, I HOPE THAT, THAT YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE MANY VOICES THAT ARE OPPOSED TO FORWARD DALLAS AND THE HUNDREDS WERE THAT WERE AT THE TOWN HALLS OPPOSED TO IT? UM, I THINK THAT CAN I ASK ONE, MA'AM? LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION.

DOES NOT SAY, AND IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT, THAT YOUR INTENT IS THAT IT WOULD BE A LONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.

I, I, I BELIEVE THAT MAYBE, MAYBE THE MISCONCEPTION IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PUT DENSITY EVERYWHERE.

THE CITY OF DALLAS IS, FIRST OF ALL, DOES NOT HAVE INCLUSIONARY ZONING.

BUT NUMBER TWO, ARE YOU AWARE THAT MOST OF OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS ONLY HAVE COMMERCIAL USES THAT COULD USE IN THESE CORRIDORS WHERE, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS A A LOT OF THIS DIZZY GOING, THAT THOSE ARE WHAT WE'RE SPEAKING TO, YOU HAVE IN MY AREA, UM, I, I WE HAVE EITHER COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT'S THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT REALLY THAT'S WHAT THIS PLAN IS SPEAKING TO? UH, I HAVE HEARD, UH, THAT CLAIM, I'VE HEARD THAT THOSE KINDS OF WONDERFUL COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST SPOKE, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, REALLY APPROPRIATE THAT IT, IT HAPPENS ALONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.

THAT THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS CAN BE, UH, REIMAGINED AND REVITALIZED AND, UM, HOUSING CAN BE INJECT IN THAT TO CREATE VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS DOCUMENT SAYS.

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IT THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS.

UM, AND THAT WOULD KEEP SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS INTACT.

I THINK WE COULD ALL BE ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD HERE IF THE DOCUMENT WERE MORE SPECIFIC TO YOUR OWN INTENT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

UM, THANK YOU, MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER SHA, AFTER COMMISSIONER SHAIDE AFTER, UH, COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, UH, UM, THE HONORABLE RACK, MS. REFIELD, UH, GET UP AND SPEAK.

MAY I, COULD I SPEAK TO THE GUY, THE YOUNG MAN WHO, UH, SPOKE ABOUT MOSTLY, UH, HOUSING? I MEAN THIS DONE IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT AROUND ALREADY TI MEAN, UH, ORIENTED BUSINESSES.

AFTER MS. RAEL, PLEASE.

I, I, I WANT TO THANK YOU, MELANIE, FOR, FOR, I DIDN'T MEAN FOR YOU TO ENDURE ALL OF THIS ING, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE YOU AND I ADMIRE YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR THE WAY YOU HANDLED YOURSELF TODAY.

I, I, I, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DENSITY.

I AM NOT.

I'M NOT WHAT, BUT YOU BELIEVE THAT IF THE CITY PLANNERS STATE THAT THEY'RE NOT TARGETING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS WITH MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, THEN THEY SHOULD BE WILLING TO STATE THAT IN THE PLAN, RIGHT? VERY CLEARLY.

EXACTLY.

THANK YOU BOTH.

COMMISSIONER FORESITE, PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR, YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR.

AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO, JUST PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANNA SPEAK.

IT'S CLEAR THAT, THAT, THAT WHAT TENDS TO DRIVE THE DECISION, IN MY OPINION, HAVING TO BE THE COMMUNITY, UH, IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY IRRESPONSIBLE FOR YOU TO IGNORE THE COMMUNITY IN SPITE OF THE PLAN.

WE, WE HAVE A DECORUM HERE, AND I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU, AND THEN YOU PLEASE.

I APPRECIATE IT, MR. DALE.

I, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.

UH, WAS THERE A QUESTION? YES.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MA'AM.

UH, I, I THINK YOU HAVE A, A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE HERE THAT YOU COULD HELP US WITH.

UH, IN FACT, BECAUSE I, I THINK, UM, OF ALL THE FOLKS THAT HAVE SPOKEN TODAY, AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, UH, THERE ARE ONLY PROBABLY JUST 16 OF US THAT USE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR FORWARD DALLAS, AND YOU'RE THE 16TH.

UH, IN FACT, YOU, YOU ARE EVEN MORE UNIQUE BECAUSE YOU, IT, THE CHAIR YOU HELD, YOU ACTUALLY MADE THE FINAL DECISION BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, OUR ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS ARE JUST THAT.

THEY'RE JUST A RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL MEMBERS MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

SO, WITH THAT, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE, UH, TODAY AT THIS HEARING TODAY, WE TOOK VOTES, FINAL VOTES ON ITEMS THAT WENT AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION OF, FOR DALLAS.

WE HAD ONE APPLICATION FOR A DUPLEX ON A STREET WITH OTHER DUPLEXES, WHERE THE COMMISSIONER WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT HOW THAT WAS GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED IN, SO SHE HELD THE CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT.

WHY? BECAUSE WE'RE VERY CAREFUL TO CONSIDER THE CHANGES.

AND I WAS HOPING THAT I COULD GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU HAVE A UNIQUE ONE BECAUSE YOU DID MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

AND I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN GIVE US A LITTLE BIT A PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF A GUIDANCE VERSUS THE MANDATE WHERE FORWARD DALLAS, IN FACT, IS JUST THAT IT'S GUIDANCE THAT'S BLIND TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE APPLICATION BEFORE US.

IT'S BLIND VERSUS A MANDATE, WHICH IT IS NOT HOPING YOU CAN EXPAND ON THAT.

WELL, IT IS A GUIDE, IT IS NOT A MANDATE.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ZONING AUTHORITY THAT THE CPC ON WHICH I SAT AS WELL, ARE PROUD TO BEING ELECTED TO THE COUNCIL, THAT THE CPC AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL, WILL NEVER BE ROBBED, IN MY OPINION, OF THEIR GIVEN ZONING AUTHORITY.

UH, THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, UH, SHOULD I SAY THE, THE DESIRE OF THE, THE DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY IN AS, AS TABATHA HAS INDICATED, AS COMMISSIONER REALLY INDICATED, THE DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY IN MANY WAYS IS WHAT TENDS TO DRIVE, UH, WHAT TENDS TO DRIVE THE DECISION MAKING RELATED TO ZONING ULTIMATELY.

AND SO, WHILE THE PLAN PROVIDES THE GUIDE, THE REALITY IS, AS HISTORY HAS INDICATED, THE ZONING DOES NOT NECESSARILY FOLLOW THE PLAN.

FOLLOW THAT GIVEN GUIDE, YOU HAVE THAT AUTHORITY, YOU HAVE THAT DESIRE, YOU HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO CHANGE YOUR MIND OR TO FOLLOW THE WILL, UH, UH, OF THE CITIZENS.

AND SO THAT IS NOT THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS NOT ATYPICAL.

AND AS YOU INDICATED TODAY, PRIOR TO, UH, SHOULD I SAY COMMUNICATING OR PRIOR TO GETTING AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT FLORIDA DALLAS, I SAT THROUGH A NUMBER OF ZONING CASES.

AND SO, SO

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UH, THANK COMMISSIONER WHEELER HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU, MA'AM.

EXCUSE ME.

GIVE SOME INDICATION.

ONE, LEMME GET, GIVES SOME MEDICATION.

FIRST OF ALL, UM, UM, I HAVE WORKED WITH MS. RAGSDALE FOR A PERIOD OF GOING ON FOUR YEARS ON THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLANT TASK FORCE.

AND HER GUIDE, HER DRIVE HAS BEEN 100%.

THAT MAKES SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, THAT IT IS INCLUSIONARY THAT IT PRESERVES THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK, AND IT DOES NOT CAUSE DISPLACEMENT.

BUT I CAN SAY THIS, MS. DEL, IT HAS BEEN A TIME THAT I CALLED YOU AND I NECESSARILY DID NOT BELIEVE THAT A, A A, A MIDDLE HOUSING TYPE OF, UH, COMPLEX WOULD THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY WOULD WANT.

AND SPEAKING WITH YOU, UM, YOU GAVE ME INSIGHT WHERE THAT WAS DIFFERENT.

THAT, THAT IT WAS NEEDED TO ADD HOME OWNERSHIP.

AM I CORRECT? YES.

AND SO THAT GOES TO SAYING THAT IN THESE TYPE OF CASES, I, I NECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD NOT WANT A, A, A SET OF TOWN HOMES BECAUSE OF THE FEAR THAT THERE IS A MAJOR FEAR IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET CRAP.

BUT AFTER TALKING TO MS. RAGSDALE AND TALKING TO THE DEVELOPER AND LISTENING, AND, AND WE FOUND A PLACE WHERE THAT MIXED IN, SO AT ALL TIMES, UH, AND, AND THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN IS WORKING WITH LONG-TERM PLANNING TO MAKE SURE THAT I GUIDING PRINCIPLES AS FAR AS HOUSING AND GOT, AND, AND, UM, AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE HAS SPOKE TO HIM, I TOLD MS. DALE, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE DESIGN STANDARDS.

, THE DESIGN STANDARDS IS GOING TO BE WHAT MAKES OR BREAK THESE TYPE OF, UH, UH, OF BILLS.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

WHAT WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH IS TO, UH, IS STRUGGLE TO DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, WITH, WITHIN, WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND BECAUSE, NEEDLESS TO SAY, MANY OF WHICH ARE, MANY HOMES ARE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT NEW HOMES ARE GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.

AND SO IN PART OF THE, PART OF THE SOLUTION IS TO DEVELOP DESIGN STANDARDS, DESIGN CRITERIA.

THE ZONING MIGHT BE SINGLE FAMILY, BUT YOU MIGHT STILL, BUT YOU STILL NEED WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE COME TO REALIZE.

WE STILL NEED, UH, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES AS ZONING MIGHT BE A DUPLEX.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE COME TO REALIZE, YOU STILL NEED DESIGN PRINCIPLES AND DESIGN STANDARDS.

THANK YOU, MS. RAYDALE.

MR. NU, MY APOLOGIES.

WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.

I, I, AND I PROMISE COMMISSIONER BLA, IT'S GONNA BE NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY.

IT'S GONNA BE REALLY, REALLY QUICK.

COMMISSIONER, UM, AND 'CAUSE I, I, I, I FOLLOWED YOU AND I'VE WATCHED YOU.

AND, AND, AND YOU ARE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

, I I WANT TO ASK YOU REALLY SIMPLE AND REALLY QUICK.

WHEN AS WE WORK AT DOING WHAT WE DO TODAY, AND WHEN YOU DID IT, WHEN IN YOUR DAY, WAS IT STILL THE SAME? WHAT IS NEEDED IN ONE AREA MAY NOT BE THE SAME KIND OF DENSITY AND, AND ZONING STANDARD IN A DIFFERENT AREA.

THE, THE BEAUTY OF DALLAS IS ITS DIVERSITY FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT IS, AND WHAT IS NEEDED.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? AND IS THAT STILL APPLYING TODAY? H HELP ME OUT WITH THE QUESTION AGAIN, BECAUSE EVEN E EVEN YOU, SO, SO LET ME LET, OKAY.

I I MAYBE ADDED TOO MUCH TO IT.

THAT'S OKAY.

IS IT NOT TRUE WHEN YOU WERE SITTING HERE MM-HMM.

, AND YOU WERE DOING WHAT WE DO TODAY, THAT YOU SAW THE SAME THINGS WE SEE? YES.

THAT ONE.

THE NEEDS IN, IN THE TYPE OF HOUSING IN ONE DISTRICT WILL BE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT IN A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.

AND THAT THIS PLAN CANNOT BE WRITTEN FOR EACH DISTRICT.

THAT'S WHY IT'S WRITTEN AT A HIGHER LEVEL.

IT HAS TO BE A CITYWIDE PLAN AT A HIGHER LEVEL.

NOW, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY LAST QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.

HERE'S THE, THE PLAN FOR THE REST OF THE, THE HEARING STAFF IS GONNA GO THROUGH HOW WE'RE GONNA USE THIS DOCUMENT.

UH, AND BEFORE WE GET INTO IT, I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AT THE, UH, IT'S JUST A HERCULEAN TASK THAT THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER TODAY.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS, UH, EXTENSIVE

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COMMENTS LATE LAST NIGHT.

THEY'RE ALL HERE.

UH, SO WE'RE GONNA LEARN HOW TO USE THIS DOCUMENT.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A DINNER BREAK, UH, WHILE GIVE US A CHANCE TO KIND OF ORGANIZE OUR THOUGHTS AROUND THIS DOCUMENT.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND, UH, HOPEFULLY TAKE SOME VOTES.

GENTLEMEN, MR. CHAIR? MR. CHAIR, SIR.

COMMISSIONER HALL, WHEN YOU SAY TAKE SOME VOTES, YOU MEAN ON INDIVIDUAL EDITS? YES.

YOU DON'T MEAN ON THE DOCUMENTED.

I DO NOT.

NO, YES.

JUST, JUST ON THE THINGS THAT, UH, I THINK SOME OF US, UH, TURNED IN SOME THINGS TWO WEEKS AGO, 10 DAYS AGO, AND THOSE ARE INCLUDED ON, ON HERE.

AND I THINK WE CAN FIND, UH, AGREEMENT IN MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY OF THEM.

AND LOTS OF COMPROMISES IN HERE AS WELL.

UH, SO FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING, PLEASE TRY TO STRETCH.

UH, WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK THROUGH, BUT I WANT TO, UH, GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF HOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

SO ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS, OR THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MEETING.

UH, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, WE'VE COLOR CODED THOSE.

THIS IS GONNA BE WHAT THE CORE OF OUR CONVERSATION IS GONNA CIRCLE AROUND THIS, UH, PARTICULAR SLIDE.

SO LAST TIME WE MET, WE WENT THROUGH HALF OF THESE, UH, THOSE THAT ARE IN GREEN WERE COMMENTS THAT, OR, OR THE REVIEW THAT WE MOSTLY COMPLETED.

UM, AGAIN, WE CAN STILL, UH, COME BACK TO ANY ITEM THAT YOU ALL SEE FIT, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS FOCUS ON, UH, THE ITEMS IN YELLOW THAT WE TOUCHED ON A BIT, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY GET, UH, A CO A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OVER.

UM, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE GONNA COVER THE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, SOME TOD DISCUSSIONS, UM, AND ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE DESIGN STRATEGIES LOOK LIKE IN THE REMAINING PLACE TYPES.

SO THIS IS GONNA BE THE CORE OF WHERE WE BASE OUR CONVERSATIONS ON STAFF.

WHAT WE MENTIONED ALSO IN THE BRIEFING, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM YOU ALL LAST NIGHT, AND WE WORKED, UH, LAST NIGHT AND THIS MORNING TO COMPILE ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS, UH, IN A SPREADSHEET THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.

SO WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH HOW WE'RE GONNA USE THIS AS A REFERENCE DOCUMENT AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE TABLE ON THE SCREEN.

SO, UH, THE TABLE THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR DESKS, UH, AGAIN, IT'S COMPILING ALL THE COMMENTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE SUBMITTED TO STAFF AND AMONGST YOU ALL.

UM, AND WE JUST PUT IT IN ONE COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE.

UM, NOT NECESSARY, BUT JUST FOR PROVIDING EASE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS WHEN WE GO BACK AND FORTH.

THIS IS JUST THERE FOR YOU ALL TO REFERENCE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO PULL UP MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS.

SO, IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS, AGAIN, IT'S A REFERENCE DOCUMENT.

UH, STAFF HAS INDICATED, UH, THROUGH COLOR CODING THAT THE YELLOW ITEMS, UH, OR SOME ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO TOUCH ON OR SPEAK ON.

BUT IT'S GONNA BE UP TO YOU ALL, UH, DEPENDING ON IF YOUR NAME IS ON AN ITEM, TO BRING THOSE UP TO THE, TO THE BODY TO DISCUSS.

BUT AGAIN, MORE FOR REFERENCE.

SO AS WE GO BACK TO THIS TABLE, AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA LAND AND BEGIN OUR CONVERSATIONS.

AND THERE, IF THERE ARE ANY ITEMS THAT YOU FEEL, UH, WE NEED TO, UH, REFERENCE BASED ON ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU SHARED AMONGST YOURSELF, THE REFERENCE TABLE IS THERE TO HELP WITH THAT DISCUSSION.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I, I'LL USE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR AS AN EXAMPLE.

THERE ARE TWO OF HER ITEMS ON PAGE EIGHT.

SHE COULD LOOK THROUGH THIS AND SAY, HEY, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THE, MY TWO ITEMS ON, UH, PAGE EIGHT.

SHE COULD, YES.

AND ALL OF US COULD LOOK THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND FIND OUR ITEMS, UH, AND START MAKING MOTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE TAKE OUR BREAK? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.

ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR, OUR BREAK.

WE'LL SAY IT'S 30 MINUTES AND, UH, WE'LL COME BACK.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO REMOVE COTTAGE CART AND TINY HOMES AS AN EXAMPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

COMMISSIONERS, IT IS, UH, 7 46.

WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

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I DON'T HAVE TO DO THE FIRST PART.

UM, ATTACH LAND USE AND TO AMEND OBJECTIVE TO OF THE HOUSING CHOICE AND ACTS PLUS ACCESS IMPLEMENTATION TABLE ON PAGE FOUR DASH 10 TO ADD COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOUSES HOMES TO THAT OBJECTIVE, WHICH WOULD EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO ALLOW COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.

SECOND.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

I SECOND IT FOR YOUR SECOND.

OH, WELL, I GOT A THIRD AND COMMISSIONER FOUR FOR A THIRD.

UNANIMOUS.

WELL, CAN I ASK HER TO REREAD THE FIRST PART OF THAT? ABSOLUTELY.

BEFORE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, PLEASE.

IN FACT, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO REMOVE COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES AS AN EXAMPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LAND USES IN COTTAGE COURTS AS AN EXAMPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED LAND USES.

AND TO AMEND OBJECTIVE TWO OF THE HOUSING CHOICE PLUS ACCESS IMPLEMENTATION TABLE ON PAGE FOUR DASH 10 TO ADD COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES TO THAT OBJECTIVE, WHICH WOULD EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO ALLOW COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

A DU STILL ON THAT ONE AS WELL.

A DU HAS ALREADY BEEN MOVED.

IT'S ALREADY TO THIS, TO THIS SECTION.

THIS IS ADDING COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES TO THE SAME PLACE IN THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE.

OH, WITH A D.

UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

UH, BEFORE WE DISCUSS ANY FURTHER, CAN WE MOVE, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO PANELISTS? I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN DO THAT.

I, I I DON'T WANT TO, LET'S TAKE A QUICK PAUSE HERE.

'CAUSE I'D LIKE FOR HER TO BE ON, GEORGE HAS TO THAT I'M SORRY.

GEORGE HAS TO DO THAT TO ME EVERY TIME.

I, I LOG HERE, SO IT'S GONNA BE GEORGE, HEAR WHAT SHE SAID.

IT'S GONNA BE GEORGE.

GEORGE CAN, HAS TO DO, DO THAT EVERY TIME.

THAT'S WHENEVER, WHEN I'M TEXTING Y'ALL, THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT'S HAPPENING.

SO GEORGE HAS TO MOVE HER TODAY.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

UH, MAY, MAY I JUST ASK A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION? UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, WHICH, WHICH HYMNAL ARE YOU READING OUT OF? IS IT, IS IT THIS ONE OR IS IT ONE? I DON'T HAVE OUT THIS AL ONE YOU DON'T HAVE.

I READ OUT THIS ONE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, AND ON THE, AND ON THE, UM, THREE SEVEN ON THE, ON PAGES THREE SIX AND 3 7, 3 6, 3 7, AS WELL AS THREE 17.

AND I'M TAKEN UNDER SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

YOU TAKE COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES AND THEY'RE NOT THERE.

I ADD ON THREE 17, AND YOU MOVE THOSE UP BACK TO FOUR DASH FOUR, PAGE FOUR 10 UNDER THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION FOUR DASH 10.

AND THAT WILL BE, UM, UH, UNDER A TWO A TWO EXPLORING, UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND INCORPORATING DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY ON THAT PARTICULAR LINE.

THIS IS ADDING COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES TO THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS.

DID I GET IT ALL RIGHT? PERFECTLY PERFECTLY.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN ONLINE, BUT NOT AS A PANELIST, BUT DID YOU CATCH THAT MOTION? NO, I JUST GOT THE END OF IT.

TO REMOVE COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES AS AN EXAMPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED LAND USE AND COTTAGE COURTS AS AN EXAMPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED LAND USE.

WAIT, LET'S, LET'S READ IT ONE MORE TIME PLEASE, WITHOUT THE EXPLANATION, JUST THE PLEASE.

I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION

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AND TO AMEND OBJECTIVE TO OF THE HOUSING CHOICE ACCESS IMPLEMENTATION TABLE ON PAGE FOUR DASH 10 TO, TO ADD COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES TO THAT OBJECTIVE, WHICH WOULD EXPLORE UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO ALLOW COTTAGE COURTS AND TINY HOMES AND INCORPORATE DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENSURE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.

PLEASE EXCUSE THE RUN-ON SENTENCE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER, UH, KINGSTON.

AND THIRD BY I THINK MOST OF US TO, UH, TAKE THE COTTAGE COURTS TINY HOMES, UH, FROM THE MATRIX AND PUT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION OF THE UPDATE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES.

COMMISSIONER HALL, AGAIN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO WE WOULD REMOVE IT FROM PAGE THREE SIX.

WE WOULD JUST SAY ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WE WOULD STRIKE OUT COTTAGE COURTS, TINY HOMES.

JUST REMOVE THEM COMPLETELY FROM THAT PAGE.

YES, BUT THEY WOULD REAPPEAR ON PAGE FOUR 10 SEC SECTION TWO.

FOR DISTRICT ONE TO HAVE A FOURPLEX IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK AND NOT GOOD FOR DISTRICT EIGHT TO HAVE THAT.

A TWO A TWO A, A TWO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER? FORESIGHT? MY ONE QUESTION IS, UH, ISN'T COTTAGE COURT HOMES ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE? AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS OR TO STAFF, BUT, BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS SECTION 51 A DASH FOUR DO ONE 15 CLUSTERED HOUSING? IT IS NOT THE SAME COMMISSIONER.

IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT.

AND IN FACT, YOUR QUESTION IS, IS THE QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT'S, I THINK, PART OF THE REASON WHY SOME OF US ARE SUPPORTING MOVING THEM THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT DEFINED.

I'M NOT THRILLED ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION, BUT I'M GONNA VOTE FOR YOUR MOTION BECAUSE I THINK THAT REMOVING IT FROM THE, THE, THE MA MATRIX IS VERY IMPORTANT.

OH, MR. KINGSTON, PLEASE GO FIRST.

WELL, THAT'S OKAY.

GO FIRST.

I, I JUST SAID I WAS GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THESE TWO HOUSING TYPES ARE, UM, IMPORTANT THINGS TO CONSIDER FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, BUT I DO THINK THAT THEY, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE AND AREN'T DEFINED AT ALL, THAT IT'S A LITTLE RECKLESS TO JUST PLOP 'EM INTO THE PLACE TYPE WITHOUT THEM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESSES AND HAVING THEM VETTED AT ZAC IN THIS BODY AND COUNSEL.

AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT MOVING THEM TO THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.

BUT I WANNA BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M OPPOSED TO EITHER ONE OF THESE.

I THINK THEY BOTH HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO PROVIDE, UM, AGING IN PLACE HOUSING, HOUSING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE STARTING OUT, OR SIMPLY HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO LIVE, LIVE IN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.

UM, AND SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE, AT LEAST MY RATIONALE, UH, FOR SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.

UM, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? I MADE THE MOTION, BUT WHAT WE HAVE CONSTANTLY HEARD THROUGHOUT TODAY AND THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE HUNDREDS OF EMAILS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN EVERY DAY IS PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.

I DON'T LIKE THIS, I DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT I DO AGREE YOUR MIC IS ON.

UM, I DO AGREE THAT THE DIVERSITY OF THIS CITY ALLOWS FOR DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING STOCK TO BE PLACED IN DIFFERENT PLACES, AND IT'S ACCEPTABLE.

THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE MORE PURISTS THAT ONLY WANT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, AND THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF BEING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

WE, IF WE'RE LIKE BURGER KING, WE CAN HAVE IT OUR WAY AND IF WE DON'T WANT A CERTAIN THING, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT.

BUT IT COMES BACK TO THIS PARTICULAR BODY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION.

IT GOOD

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THAT'S THE WHOLE BEAUTY OF THIS PLAN, IS TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK THE WHOLE CITY SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHERE IT SHOULD BE, NOT WHERE IT HAS TO BE ON THE GROUND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

I ENDORSE EVERY SINGLE WORD OF THAT, AND I, I WOULD JUST SAY IT, THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE AT THIS HORSESHOE.

IT'S LITERALLY WHAT WE DO HERE.

WE, WE CUSTOMIZE THE WORDS ON THIS PLAN WITH THE CODE, WITH THE INPUT OF THE PUBLIC TO FIND A CUSTOMIZED SOLUTION WHERE WE CAN.

AND THAT SOLUTION IS NOT THE SAME IN EVERY PART OF TOWN.

AND WE SEE THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS HERE.

UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I, I WOULD GO, UH, AS FAR AS NOT EVEN SAYING IN DISTRICTS, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, WE, WE, WE HAVE DISTRICT, A GOOD MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO, WHO EVEN CAME OUT TONIGHT THAT, THAT WANTS ONLY SINGLE FAMILY OR SOMETHING IN THE AREA.

BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL HOMES AND PLACES IN THOSE AREAS, THERE IS A LARGE MIXTURE OF ALL TYPE OF HOUSING AND TO, AND JUST A SINGLE FAMILY HOME HAS COME SOMETHING NEW.

SO I CAN SAY THAT IN A PORTION OF MA SAY DISTRICT FOUR, A PORTION OF DISTRICT FOUR LOOKS ONE WAY, BUT WHEN YOU COME ACROSS THE FREEWAY, IT IS ALL MIXED UP IN ALL KIND OF WAYS.

UM, SAME WITH DISTRICT EIGHT, DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT SEVEN, GET A HOUSING TOUR.

WE HAVE ONE STREET COLLINS THAT HAS A SIXPLEX DUPLEX HOUSE, AND THEY ALL ONE BLOCK.

SO I, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT, UH, YOUR MOTION IS APPROPRIATE AND WE REALLY AS A BODY HAVE TO KNOW, UH, LOOK AT THIS AS IF WE REALLY, TRULY LOOK AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THERE IS PITS, THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY, THERE IS PIT STATE, BUT WE HAVE MORE MIXED HOUSING THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND I WANT, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HALL? WOULD WE ALSO REMOVE IT FROM SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED THEN ON PAGE THREE SIX? YES.

THE WORD COTTAGE COURTS? YES.

WE REMOVE THAT TOO COMPLETELY? YES.

OF COURSE.

IT'S OFF THE MATRIX, ESSENTIALLY.

UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

YOU OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

CHAIR RUBIN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A ADDITIONAL MOTION TO AMEND THE, UM, HOUSING CHOICE AND ACCESS IMPLEMENTATION TABLE UNDER OBJECTIVE A AT A NEW ACTION STEP.

AND THIS WAS EMAILED TO THE BODY EARLIER TODAY.

CONSIDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF A DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION OVERLAY FOR USE IN AREAS FACING SIGNIFICANT RISK OF RESIDENTIAL DISPLACEMENT AS IDENTIFIED THROUGH APPROPRIATE METRICS.

IN CONTRAST, THE HOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY, WHICH OFTEN TAKES SIGNIFICANT TIME TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE IT IS HIGHLY CUSTOMIZABLE, THE POTENTIAL DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION OVERLAY SHOULD BE TURNKEY AND MAY HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT DRAW FROM EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.

FOR EXAMPLE, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE OVERLAY MIGHT BE LIMITED TO 150% OF THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EXISTING RESIDENCES ON THE BLOCK.

THANK YOU VICE RUBEN, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM.

FIND SOMETHING TO, TO AT LEAST PUT THE FIRE OUT FOR NOW AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, REBUILD AT A LATER DATE.

AND THIS COMES FROM SOME OF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS THAT I, HAD A LOT OF FUN GOING THROUGH LATE INTO THE NIGHT LAST NIGHT.

AND I THINK IT REFLECTS SOME OF WHAT MISS CHAMPION FROM BUILDERS OF HOPE HAD TO SAY AS, AS WELL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED SERIOUS TOOLS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, AND OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL TO ADDRESS DISPLACEMENT.

AND WHILE THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY SHOULD BE STRENGTHENED AS THAT TABLE ALREADY REFERENCES, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED OVERNIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S A BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT THE STANDARD SHOULD BE.

WHEREAS THIS, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANTI DISPLAY POTENTIAL DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION OVERLAY WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARILY CUSTOMIZABLE, BUT IT COULD BE DEPLOYED IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S A REAL REALLY SIGNIFICANT RISK OF, OF DISPLACEMENT AND IT'S TURNKEY AND WE CAN PUT IT ON THE GROUND, THEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, DISPLACEMENT ISSUES THROUGH MORE DETAILED MEASURES LATER.

BUT IT'S A WAY TO, TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE,

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COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU.

UM, ONE QUESTION I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONER RUBIN, IS IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER ALSO ADDING MAXIMUM LOT SIZE AS ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS IN A LOT OF AREAS OF OUR CITY THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY, UM, SAW AN INFLUX OF NEW HOUSING TYPES WHEN THEY WERE PREVIOUS ACTIONS OF THE CITY, UM, RESULTED IN THE LOSS OF HOUSING, THE LOSS OF NATURALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CREATED DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS OUT OF SCALE.

WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE THAT TOOL AT ALL BECAUSE WE SET MINIMUM LOT SIZES, NOT MAXIMUMS AND MINIMUM AREA.

AS WE TALK ABOUT MAXIMUM HOUSE SIZES SIM IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE DEFINING WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT COULD SPEAK TO COMPATIBILITY.

SO I WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PIECE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROCEEDED BY AN EG SO I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GET INTO AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST HERE.

I'M THINKING OF THE PROS AND CONS OF, OF I'M KIND OF AMBIVALENT TO, TO MAXIMUM WATTS.

I JUST SPEAKS, I HAVE HAD ZERO TIME TO TO THINK ABOUT THAT EXAMPLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M, I'M HAPPY TO BRING IT BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING SO FOLKS CAN THINK ABOUT IT AND THERE MAY BE ANOTHER MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO CONSIDER IT.

HAPPY TO SHOW MULTIPLE EXAMPLES OF WHERE IT HAS OCCURRED AND HOW IT HAS DISRUPTED, UM, ESTABLISHED PATTERNS.

AND THAT'S REALLY, I THINK, WHAT THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MOTION IS, AND THAT'S PARTLY WHY I WAS MENTIONING IT.

I I, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY, I THINK THE, THE, THE TAKEAWAY FOR ME IS THAT THIS IS A BOLD IDEA AND IT'S A NEED THAT, THAT, UH, THAT THE CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOOL THAT WE DON'T HAVE AND THAT WE NEED.

AND CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DETAILS ARE GONNA BE FIGURED OUT AT ZAC AND THOSE KIND OF VARIABLES.

AND SO INCLUDING IT TODAY OR NOT, UM, FRANKLY, JUST IN INDIFFERENT, I THINK IT'S THE IDEA THAT'S BOLD AND I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT.

SO I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THIS, I MEAN, BUT I WOULD RATHER NOT PUN IT.

, MAYBE WE CONSIDER THAT IN A SEPARATE AMENDMENT.

I WILL GIVE IT SOME MORE THOUGHT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE.

OKAY, THANKS.

UH, COMMISSIONER, HOW, SORRY, PLEASE.

UM, A MECHANISM TO AN ANTI DISPLACEMENT MECHANISM IS AN INTRIGUING IDEA.

IT'S A BOLD IDEA.

I'M ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED OF IT, OF GETTING IT RIGHT AND NOT HAVING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, BUT I COULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT TONIGHT JUST KNOWING THAT IT WILL BE EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT TO MAKE IT FAIR AND, UM, EQUITABLE, PLEASE.

OH, YEAH, NO, I AGREE WITH YOU.

THAT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE EASY.

IT WILL BE A CHALLENGING EXPERIENCE AT ZAC AND AT AT COUNCIL, BUT AS COMMISSIONER BLAIR SAID, WE DON'T RUN FROM BIG BOLD CHALLENGES HERE AT THE THE HORSESHOE, SO THEY LAND ON OUR LAPS.

UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.

SOUNDS LIKE A LAWYER'S DREAM.

I LOVE IT.

NOT FOR FRUSTRATED ARCHITECTS .

BUT THE LAST PART OF IT IS THOSE INCOMPATIBLE HOUSING THAT ARE BEING BUILT.

UH, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.

AND THEN FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

UM, SO WHAT, WHAT I, WHAT I KIND OF HEARD WHAT YOU ARE OFFERING IS, AND UH, OFTENTIMES COMMUNITIES ARE COMING AND TRYING TO USE THE TOOL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION, AND IT TAKES SUCH A LONG PERIOD.

I DO KNOW THAT CURRENTLY, UM, I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND ANDREA AND I DON'T KNOW IF PATRICK IS THERE, UM, THEY CAN ATTEST THAT WE ARE THE LAST AREA PLAN TASK FORCE TO CLOSE OUT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.

AND BECAUSE OF DESIGN STANDARDS AND BECAUSE WE, UM, DIDN'T CLOSE OUT PRIOR TO ALL THE NEW HOUSING BEING BUILT IN SOUTH DALLAS, AS KEPT AS FORMER COUNCILWOMAN, UM, UM, MS. RAGSDALE SPOKE TO, WE HAVE GROSSLY COMPATIBLE HOUSING THAT WE LITERALLY ARE, UM, CREATING DESIGN STANDARDS AND ACCORDING TO THE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE THAT, UH, WE'RE HOPING TO CLOSE OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, NEXT MONTH, COUPLE OF MONTHS, UM, THAT WE HAVE CITY STAFF WORKING ON FOR LONG TERM PLANNING.

SO THAT TOOL BEING IN, IN, IN, IN INCLUDED, WOULD'VE HELPED US CLOSE OUT OUR AREA PLAN SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AGO.

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UM, I'M NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE LOT SIZES, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, COULD BE KIND, CAN GET US IN A KINDA WING, BUT I AM SOME TOOLS THAT WILL HELP STRENGTHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION AND MAKE THAT PROCESS NOT SO LONG AND, UH, TEDIOUS, UH, BY THE TIME THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION GO THROUGH THE CITY, GET THE PROPER, UH, GET ALL THE SIGNATURES, THEN YOU'VE BEEN, I MEAN, 20 PROJECTS HAVE BEEN BUILT AND, AND, AND IT WOULD BE FOR NOT AFTER THAT.

SO I, I, I DEFINITELY, UM, REGULAR RECOMMENDATION.

I DON'T KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE HOUSING, BUT I DO KNOW THAT LONG-TERM PLANNING, UM, WHICH, UH, WHICH IS I BELIEVE IS PATRICK ANDREA, UM, UM, EVEN DIRECTOR LOU CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT SOME HOUSING ON A HOUSING TOUR WITH US AND SHE, SHE SAW KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE GROSS INCOMPATIBILITY JUST ON SHOTGUN TYPE HOUSES.

AND ONE WAS FIT, TWO STORY FIT THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE SHOTGUN HOUSE, AND THEN IT WAS ONE THAT WAS GROSS INCOMPATIBLE.

UM, AND SO THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS AND HAVING THAT IN WILL DEFINITELY, UM, CAN HELP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PART.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

IT HELPS IF I UNMUTE MYSELF APPARENTLY.

UM, YES, I, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE MOTION.

I, I HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH IT, UH, ABOUT IT WITH, UH, VICE CHAIR RUB EARLIER BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I SENT IN YESTERDAY.

AND I'VE ALSO TALKED TO MS. CHAMPION BECAUSE I REACHED OUT TO MS. CHAMPION 'CAUSE I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REFERENCES TO THE ANTI-GENTRIFICATION TOOLKIT.

AND WE DID SOME, YOU KNOW, BRAINSTORMING ABOUT THIS.

AND, YOU KNOW, MY ORIGINAL SUGGEST, WELL MY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS ON THIS WERE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY THAT BETTER FIT THE NEEDS OF LOWER TO MIDDLE INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT PERHAPS DIDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOUSING OF GREAT ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.

BUT IT BECAME CLEAR AS WE TALKED THROUGH IT THAT IT, IT, THAT IS SUCH A TIME CONSUMING PROCESS THAT TRYING TO DO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD TAKE SO MUCH STAFF TIME AND SO MUCH LEAD TIME TO GET IT DONE THAT SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS COULD BE VERY SERIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, GENTRIFIED AND DISPLACED.

AND I THINK THIS KIND OF, UH, UH, A TOTAL OA CITYWIDE POTENTIAL FOR A CITYWIDE OVERLAY, UM, I IS APPROPRIATE.

AND BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SUFFERED A SIMILAR SORT OF THING 40 YEARS AGO IN REVERSE WHEN THE CITY DID A CUMULATIVE ZONING OVERLAY THAT UPZONED A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE JUST GONE.

I MEAN, THE FREDERICK DOUGLAS EDITION THAT'S NOW THE GILBERT EMORY NEIGHBORHOOD IN WEST DALLAS, UM, IT, IT WAS A VERY MODEST, UH, HISTORICALLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ORIGINAL HOUSING STOCK IS GONE BECAUSE AT A CUMULATIVE ZONING OVERLAY, THEY OVERLAID OUR FIVE ZONING WITH TH THREE.

AND ONCE THIS GOT TO BE A HOT PART OF TOWN, IT WAS JUST GONE.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT FAIR AND NOT EQUITABLE.

I THINK THIS IS ANY THE BEST IDEA THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH, THAT IT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF THAT COULD GET DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER THAT COULD ADDRESS THE, THE REAL POTENTIAL THAT WE HAVE FOR DISPLACEMENT AND GENTRIFICATION.

WHEN DENSITY HITS THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, MODEST NEIGHBORHOODS, THE ONLY, THE THE ONE CHANGE I WOULD MAKE TO, UM, WHAT THE, UH, MOTION WAS, WAS TO CHANGE THE FIRST WORD FROM CONSIDER TO PRIORITIZE.

YOU WANNA MAKE THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I'M ALL EARS.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, UM, ALTER THE MOTION TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL WORD FROM CONSIDER TO PRIORITIZE.

AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE REST OF THE MOTION , SO ET CETERA, ET CETERA, RIGHT? AMENDMENT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE MAKER.

AND THE SECOND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, SEEING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? DO I NEED TO READ IT? READ IT? I THINK SO PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THE OPPOSED, AYE.

THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUS.

UM, ANY OUTSTANDING MOTIONS HERE? WE'RE READY TO GET BACK INTO THE, THE PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT.

YOUR MIC? YOUR MIC PLEASE, SIR.

NORMALLY I HAVE IT ON .

I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS STATEMENT AS A FOOTNOTE TO THE MATRIX ON PAGE, UH, THREE SIX IN THE FOUR DALLAS PLAN QUOTE, IN ZONE OUR ZONE DISTRICTS AND PDS WITH OUR ZONE SUBDISTRICTS, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE THE PRIMARY USE.

ALL OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES ARE SECONDARY USES.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MAKE COMMENTS IF POSSIBLE IF I GET A SECOND.

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OKAY, PLEASE.

I, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO ADD THIS STATEMENT AS A FOOTNOTE TO THE MATRIX.

THE PLACE TYPE MATRIX ON PAGE THREE SIX IN THE FOUR DALLAS PLAN AND R ZONE DISTRICTS IN PDS WITH R ZONE SUBDISTRICTS, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE THE PRIMARY USE.

ALL OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES ARE SECONDARY USES.

COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER BILL, ARE YOU SAYING IN YOUR MOTION THAT IF IT HAS A PD, THEN THE, IF THE PRIMARY USE OF ALL PDS MUST BE NO.

OKAY, THEN IF IT HAS A SUB, THE UNDERLYING ZONING, IF THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR THE PD IS OUR ZONING, IF THE UNDERLYING IS IS OUR ZONING THAT IT MUST BE THE PRIMARY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR THE PRIMARY LAND USE.

OKAY, SO IS IS, LET ME ASK, THAT'S I GOT THE MIC.

UM, AND I'M OPEN TO, SO I'M OPEN TO, ARE YOU MOTION FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? I'M OPEN TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

WOULD THAT BE SAYING THAT IF ANY PD HAS AN R ZONING IN IT, IT MUST BE THE, THE PRIMARY USE OF THAT ZONING? WELL, WELL IF THE PD, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GOT, AGAIN, I, I WANTED TO ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE CONCERN IS, BUT WE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.

THE PDS THAT HAVE UNDERLYING OUR ZONING WHERE OUR, OUR ZONING IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR A PD THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE PRIMARY USE.

SO, BUT, BUT THE, THE BUT ISN'T THE USE OF A PD IS A, IS IS THE MECHANISM OR THE TOOL THAT WE HAVE THAT GETS TO THAT, THAT ALLOWS US TO CUSTOMIZE A ZONING DISTRICT SO THAT IN THAT PD WE, THAT THAT PD, EACH PD DETERMINES WHAT IS PRIMARY, SECONDARY AND TREASURY, UM, ZONING DISTRICTS.

IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE A PD THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL USE, SINGLE FAMILY DETACH MUST ALWAYS BE THE PRIMARY USE THAT WOULD BE NEGATING THE PRINCIPLE AND THE, THE FOUNDATION OF WHY WE HAVE PDS.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS BODY SHOULD TELL EVERY FUTURE ZONING CASE THAT WANTS TO HAVE, THAT NEEDS TO USE A PD THAT IF YOU HAVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING, IT MUST BE THE PRIMARY YOU WILL THEN I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WHAT WE WOULD SEE WOULD BE AN, AN OPPOSITE EFFECT THEN EVERY PD THAT CAME IN THAT WANTED TO USE RESIDENTIAL ZONING IN IT WOULD, WOULD NOT DO IT BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY STATED IT MUST BE THE PRIMARY Y, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S DISALLOWED EITHER.

IF, IF I MAY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

WELL, I, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND, AND I KNOW WE'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO HAVE COME TO SPEAK TO US AND ASK FOR THIS, UM, TO GIVE SOME CERTAINTY TO ESTABLISH NEIGHBORHOODS.

I THINK, AND I DID SECOND THE MOTION BECAUSE I WANTED US TO DEBATE IT.

I THINK WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IF YOU ACTUALLY READ WHAT'S IN 51 A TODAY, IT IS NOT ONLY SINGLE FAMILY, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY LAND USE ALLOWED.

SO 51 A AND I'M JUST GONNA USE, WHAT DID I END UP ON HERE? R 10, AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL GENERALLY SIMILAR.

YOU CAN DO CROP PRODUCTION UNDER AGRICULTURAL, YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF INSTITUTIONAL USES, ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY, CHILDCARE FACILITY, CHURCH

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SEMINARIES.

A NUMBER OF THESE ARE SUVS.

BUT IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER USES UNDER OUR DISTRICTS THAT WHILE RESIDENTIAL IS THE, IS THE USE AND IT'S IN THE PURPOSE STATEMENT OVER ALL OF THESE, TO DEFINE IT AS A PRIMARY, I'M AFRAID, PUTS US IN CONFLICT WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND, AND I WELCOME HEARING OTHER COMMISSIONER'S THOUGHTS ON THAT.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH.

LET ME ASK THIS, UH, OF COMMISSIONER, UH, FORSIGHT IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, THAT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS THE ONLY PRIMARY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DETACHED? DEED DETACHED DE DE.

DETACHED.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO BASICALLY? RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

SO DO YOU WANNA RECONSIDER YOUR MOTION AND JUST MAKE THAT MOTION? YES, I, I'M, I IF WE CAN HAVE A STATEMENT IN THE PLAN THAT STATES THAT, UH, AND, AND IF YOU'LL HELP ME WITH THE WORDING HERE AND, AND, AND IF WE CAN GET AGREEMENT TO THIS, I, I MEAN I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT ALL THESE OTHER, THE HALF OF THE FOLKS WHO SPOKE TONIGHT WOULD, WOULD BEGIN TO, YOU KNOW, UH, DROP THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS PLAN.

SO I THINK, I THINK THE MOTION YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IS ON, AND FORGIVE ME FOR BEING GREEN GUYS.

IT'S OKAY.

NO, YOU, THAT'S GOOD.

I BELIEVE THE MOTION YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IS ON THE MATRIX, WHICH STARTS ON PAGE 33.6 IN THE PLACE TYPE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED WOULD BE THE ONLY PRIMARY USE IN ALL OTHER FORMS OF HOUSING WOULD BE SECONDARY USES.

EXACTLY.

PERFECTLY SAID.

I BET.

MUCH BETTER SAID THAN I SAID IN, IS IT CORRECT THAT IT'S ALL OTHER USES CURRENTLY DESIGNATED ARE SECONDARY BECAUSE THERE'S AGRICULTURAL, THERE'S, THERE'S THE OTHER USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.

I THINK, WELL I THINK WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THESE OTHER HOUSING USES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE MA MATRIX WOULD CORRECT.

SO YOU'RE ONLY ADDRESSING THE ONES THAT ARE GOT IT.

CAN I, LET'S GO FIRST ROUND STILL.

WELL, THAT'S THE MOTION.

HE'S MAKING HIS MOTION DIFFERENCE AMENDMENT.

SO ARE YOU STILL SECONDING IT? YES.

UH, WE'RE GONNA GO FIRST ROUND.

UH, COMMISSIONER, SHE NOT, IS THIS FOR ALL NEW CREATION OF PDS OR FOR EXISTING PDS? WELL, I, I I'VE REMOVED, WE'VE REMOVED THE PDS.

YOU GOTTA REPLACE MY MOTION.

SHE, SHE, SHE RE SHE REPLACED MY MOTION.

STATE IT ONE MORE TIME PLEASE.

I, HIS NEW MOTION IS, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THE MATRIX FOR SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL? THE ONLY PRIMARY USE IS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, WHICH MEANS THAT TOWN HOME DUPLEX AND TRIPLEXES WOULD MOVE FROM PRIMARY USE TO SECONDARY USE.

UH, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT EMOTION.

I MEAN, IF WE'RE JUST GONNA CHISEL AWAY AT EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WE'VE ALREADY BEAT THIS TO DEATH AND WE'VE ALREADY GONE FROM 10 TO TO EIGHT, AND IF EVERY TIME THAT WE OPEN THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S GONNA BE TO FURTHER WI WHITTLE IT AWAY.

I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT OF THAT PROCESS.

I MEAN, THIS IS GOING RIGHT TO THE HEART OF ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TODAY BY THE COMMUNITY, UM, BY US IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS.

SO I I I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR BOTH COMMISSIONERS.

SO AS I UNDERSTOOD THE MOTION AND THE, FROM THE AMENDMENT, IT'S THAT IN THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, IF THERE ARE, ARE ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN THAT PLACE TYPE THAT THE ONLY PRIMARY LAND USE WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

THAT IT'S NOT JUST IN THE PLACE TYPE, THAT IT'S ONLY SINGLE FAMILY.

IT'S THAT IF THERE ARE, ARE DISTRICTS I, I, I WASN'T NECESSARILY MAKING A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

I WAS TRYING TO HELP HIM CRAFT THE MOTION THAT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OUR DISTRICTS, UM, TAKING PDS AND OUR DISTRICTS OUT OF THE MIX.

DETACHED WOULD BE PRIMARY AND THEN TOWNHOUSE, DUPLEX AND TRIPLEX WOULD MOVE FROM PRIMARY TO SECONDARY.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE AMENDMENT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS ON THE, ON THE, UM, MATRIX THAT FOR SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY

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THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOTION.

JUST TO MAKE SURE C COMMISSIONER KINGS, I THINK, AND I'M NOW CONFUSED, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASICALLY WE'RE CHANGING THE COLORS OF THE DOTS.

THE DOTS, BUT I DON'T, THAT WASN'T HIS MO INITIAL MOTION HAD TO BE WHAT WAS SPECIFIC TO PDS AND HAD THAT ANGLE TO IT.

I KNOW.

AND THAT'S, THAT WAS OPENING A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS. YES.

I DON'T THINK HE WAS INTENDING TO OPEN, WHICH IS WHY I I APOLOGIZE, CLARIFIED WHAT HE REALLY MEANT.

WELL YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT WASN'T THE MOTION THAT BE MADE.

YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT'S, YES.

CAN WE HAVE THE COMMISSIONER FORSYTH RESTATE WHATEVER HIS MOTION IS SO WE CAN, WE NEED A MAKER OF THE MOTION AND, AND RATHER THAN MAKING A MOTION BY COMMITTEE, I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

ONE PERSON NEEDS TO MAKE THIS MOTION AND THEN WE CAN AMEND IT, AMENDED IF NECESSARY, I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO SKIN THE SOURCE.

THE, YOUR MICROPHONE COMMISSIONER PLEASE.

IN THE PLACE TYPE LAND USE MATRIX, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IS CONSIDERED THE PRIMARY LAND USE.

AND ANY OTHER HOUSING TYPES ARE CONSIDERED SECONDARY USES.

SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S FINE.

AND SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, PLACE TYPES.

I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ACCEPT THAT.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING? LET'S JUST, UH, DISCUSS IT AND VOTE IT UP AND DOWN, FOLKS.

YEAH, WE DID HAVE A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I MEAN, IF WE'RE, HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE GONNA BRING THESE BACK? I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOT 32 PAGES HERE.

ARE WE GONNA, DO I GET TO BRING BACK TWO OR THREE, TWO OR THREE MORE TIMES? ACTUALLY, NO, NO, WE DON'T.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE RECONSIDERING IT.

COMMISSIONER HALL, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WHAT DANIEL'S SAYING IS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, JUST SIMPLY CHANGE THE, THE BLACK DOTS TO, UH, WHITE DOTS FOR SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID? YES.

SO THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE PD HAS DISAPPEARED.

NOW THE LANGUAGE OF THE PD.

SO THE MOTION IS ESSENTIALLY TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE DOTS.

AND YOU'RE STILL SECONDING THAT.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER, UH, IS THERE ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR COMMISSIONER HALL, COMMISSIONER CASE THEN? YEAH.

A GUIDE, IT'S NOT A ZONING CODE THAT SAYS THIS IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT? AND THIS IS NOT ALLOWED THAT IT'S A GUIDE TO SAY THESE ARE THE PRIMARY LAND USES THAT ARE GOING ON HERE.

WELL, THIS IS NOT MY FIELD, SO I'M GONNA ASK A DUMB QUESTION.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU LAUGH, BUT WHAT THE HECK DO WE MEAN BY PRIMARY AND SECONDARY? I MEAN, WE, IF WE SAY IT'S A PRIMARY USE, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S THE, THE ONLY USE? NO.

IS IT THE PREFERRED USE? IS IT THE RECOMMENDED USE? IT, IT, IT IS DEFINED NOW WITHIN THE DOCUMENTS.

I THINK WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR IT DEFINED AT THE TOP.

SO ON PAGE THREE SIX, BOTH OF THOSE TERMS ARE NOW DEFINED ON THREE SIX.

IT'S AT THE BOTTOM WHERE PRIMARY IS A MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT AT THE, THAT PLAYS THE PIVOTAL ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING AND PLAYS TYPE.

BUT THAT PREVALENCY, I, I I MEAN IT, WE CAN CHANGE THAT ANYTIME.

, I MEAN, CAN, CAN WE, I MEAN, UH, I I I, I GUESS WHAT I'M, IT JUST SEEMS SORT OF SILLY TO BE, MAYBE IT'S WAY TOO LATE TO DO THIS, BUT IT'S NOT ETCHED IN STONE.

IT'S NOT THE ONLY USE, IT IS THE FIRST USE MAYBE THAT WE THINK ABOUT, BUT THEN WE COULD PUT IT, WE COULD PUT A DIFFERENT KIND OF A HOME THERE OR SOMETHING.

RIGHT? AND IT DOES HAPPEN.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

THIS IS BLIND TO THE SPECIFICS.

YEAH, I, I, I GUESS I DON'T, SO I, I'M JUST REALLY HAVING TROUBLE WRAPPING MY HEAD ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY.

I I THINK IF I COULD, IT GETS TO SOMETHING THE CHAIR MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT HOW THIS IS

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THESE ARE THE SECONDARY LAND USES.

IT'S JUST A GUIDE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS BLACK AND WHITE AS A DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS JUST THAT GUIDE.

AND THE GUIDE WOULD SAY, THESE ARE THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AND THESE ARE THE SECONDARY THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

RIGHT? AND, AND TO ADD TO THAT, I THINK THE SCALE OF WHAT THIS AREA IS COULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHATEVER CASE COMES THROUGH.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE CITYWIDE PERSPECTIVE.

SO LOOKING AT JUST THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, FROM THE CITYWIDE PERSPECTIVE, THE PREDOMINANT PRIMARY USE IS GONNA BE SINGLE FAMILY.

BUT AS YOU ZOOM INTO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, UM, TO REVIEW A PARTICULAR CASE, THERE MIGHT BE INSTANCES WHERE, UM, AN ERA IS CONCENTRATED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY DETACH.

BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE LARGER SCALE OF HOW THAT COMMUNITY IS GONNA BE INCORPORATING THOSE USES.

SO IT IS, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE GUIDE, GOING BACK TO THAT FUZZY SCALE.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THAT COMMUNITY IS TOO, AS WELL.

BY, BY, BY SAYING THAT THOUGH, WHAT IS THE PUBLIC, WHAT 50% OF THE PUBLIC THAT WAS HERE TODAY, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA THINK WHEN WE SAY PRIMARY USE ONLY, ONLY USE ALLOWED? NO, IT SAYS NO.

IT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

COMMISSIONER CANTE, THANK YOU.

SO IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR OR THINK? UH, I, I'M, I'M SORRY GUYS.

I , YOU KNOW, REST YOUR RUBEN.

I MEAN, WE THOUGHT REALLY LONG AND HARD ABOUT HOW TO DEFINE PRIMARY USE AND SECONDARY USE.

AND THE THING THAT I'LL EMPHASIZE IS PRIMARY USE IS NOT DEFINED, IS THE MOST PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USE.

IT IS A MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USE.

AND THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USES WITHIN A PLACE TYPE.

SO BY SAYING THAT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY USES IN COMMUNITY RE IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AND SMALL TOWN RE RESIDENTIAL DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE SOLE PRIMARY PREVALENT, PREDOMINANT USE.

I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.

WHAT IT'S BECOME CLEAR TO ME OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS IS THAT THE CITY IS DIVIDED.

AND I CAN TELL THAT FROM THE EMAILS, I CAN TELL THAT FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND YOU CAN'T HAVE GOOD POLICY AND BAD POLITICS.

AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE ARE.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS FOR IT.

I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO IT, BUT WHAT I ALSO JUST HEARD FROM STAFF AND WHAT I HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE THAT CAME DOWN AND SPOKE IS THAT THEY'RE A LOT CLOSER TO A COMPROMISE THAN THIS LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN BATTING AROUND SUGGESTS.

AND AS A LAWYER, I CAN MAKE ANY OF THIS WORK IN A ZONING CASE, IT'S, AND I KNOW AS SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN DOING LAND USE FOR 20 YEARS, THIS PLAN'S GONNA GO ON A SHELF AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA CHERRY PICK IT AND STICK IT HOWEVER THEY WANT TO FIT WHATEVER CASE THEY WANT ANYWAY.

SO WE'RE NEEDLESSLY CREATING THIS DIVIDE AND THIS CONTROVERSY THAT'S MAKING IT HARDER ON OURSELVES, HARDER ON THE PUBLIC, HARDER ON OUR COUNCIL PEOPLE FOR WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, THAT WHEN DEVELOPMENT OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES IS PROPOSED, LOCATION IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION AMONG OTHER THINGS.

PROPERTIES, NEAR TRANSIT STATIONS AND ALONG CORRIDORS, TRANSIT AREAS BETWEEN NON-RESIDENTIAL AND EXISTED RESIDENTIAL AREAS, FORMER CIVIC AND INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTIES AND POSSIBLY CORNER LOTS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR ADDING THESE, ADDING THESE HOUSING TYPES.

NOTHING IN THAT SAYS PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF A, A STABLE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

EVEN MR. TONY, WHEN HE SPOKE SAID, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT CERTAIN PLACES, NOT THE MIDDLE OF EXISTING STABLE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT'S WHAT THE SINGLE FAMILY PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR SOME COMFORT THAT WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA MOW DOWN THEIR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND TRUTHFULLY, WHEN THOSE CASES COME DOWN HERE, WE LOOK LONG AND HARD BEFORE EVEN PUTTING A DUPLEX.

WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT AN PLEX IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.

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WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING ABOUT? WE'RE JUST P*****G EVERYBODY OFF.

AND FOR WHAT? SO, YOU KNOW, A SECONDARY USE IS DEFINED AS A LESS PREVALENT USE, LESS PREVALENT, MORE PREVALENT, LESS PREVALENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARGUING ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT.

AND WE'RE MAKING EVERYBODY MISERABLE AND UNHAPPY IN THE PROCESS.

WE'RE DRAGGING THESE PEOPLE DOWN HERE FOR HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS FOR WHAT? AND, AND WE'RE GENNING THEM UP.

SO WHEN WE GET DOWN TO HAVE THE REAL, WHEN WE GO DO THE IMPLEMENTATION, THEY'RE SO MAD AND THEY'RE SO ENTRENCHED.

WE'LL NEVER GET ANY COMPROMISES.

WE'LL NEVER GET ANYWHERE.

I I'M JUST DONE WITH IT.

I'M DONE WITH IT.

SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AND MOVE ON.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? SHE ALL THOSE COMMENTS, YOU USED A TERM RIGHT THERE THAT WAS FOR WHAT? AND THAT WAS EXACTLY THE TERM THAT YOU SO ELOQUENTLY MADE.

AND WHEN YOU ADVOCATED FOR THIS, YOU SAID, WHAT ARE WE FOR? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING THIS FOR? IF WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THIS, THEN, THEN WHAT? FOR WHAT? AND THE, THE, THOSE COMMENTS FLY IN THE FACE OF TWO OTHER TIMES YOU SPOKE SO ELOQUENTLY FOR THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE PERSPECTIVE.

SO I'M, IT'S A BIT CONFUSING TO HAVE TO HEAR THAT AND DIGEST THAT WHEN YOU'VE SPOKEN SO ELOQUENTLY BEFORE.

COMPLETELY OPPOSITE.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE POLITICAL.

IT ONLY BECOMES POLITICAL WHEN YOU MAKE IT POLITICAL.

WE ARE HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE THE BEST PRACTICES FOR LAND USE.

LET THE POLITICS PLAY AT THE NEXT LEVEL.

THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.

WE'RE HERE TO, TO, TO, TO ADVOCATE FOR THE BEST PRACTICES OF LAND USE.

COMMISSIONER, I HAVE THAT.

JUST LIKE WE DID, UH, TOM IN, IN YOUR DISTRICT, WE SAID NO TO A, A DUPLEX IN THE MID-BLOCK.

I THINK MY ANSWER TO THE FOR WHAT IS THE SIMPLE FACT THAT TODAY THOSE DETACHED LAND USES ARE NOT EVEN A SECONDARY USE.

MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES THAT WE SPEAK ABOUT AS THE EXAMPLES THAT WE WANNA SEE MORE BROADLY THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DO HAVE THEM.

THEY HAVE GENERALLY BEEN AT THE EXPENSE OF STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE TAKEN DECADES TO BE ABLE TO BRING BACK.

I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK WHERE MR. AGU SPOKE AND THERE IS A LOT OF DISTRUST IN MANY COMMUNITIES BECAUSE THEY EXPERIENCED PRIOR ITERATIONS THAT DISRUPTED THEIR COMMUNITIES.

I THINK WE LOOK AT THOSE COMMUNITIES NOW AND IT'S WHAT WE ALL SEE AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF OUR FUTURE.

I THINK ADDING THEM AS A SECONDARY USE ALLOWS THE CONVERSATION, ALLOWS OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE TO GET CAUGHT UP SO THAT AS THEY ARE CONSIDERED, THEY CAN BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND THEY CAN BE SOLUTIONS THAT GET INTEGRATED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IT'S DONE WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT MEANS WHEN THEY COME, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TODAY.

SO I DID SECOND THE MOTION.

I FRANKLY WAS A BIT ON THE FENCE ON WHETHER OR NOT I WAS GONNA SUPPORT IT.

I THINK I'VE TALKED MYSELF INTO, I DO THINK THAT IT IS A STEP FORWARD.

IT IS PERHAPS NOT AS BOLD AS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IF IT HELPS BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THOSE WHO SPOKE TODAY.

AND I DID HEAR THE SAME THING.

THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMONALITY IN THE COMMENTS THAT THERE WERE MADE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

VICE CHAIR RUBEN.

YEAH, I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.

UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION OF THIS BEFORE AND A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AS A PRIMARY LAND USE, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AND SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL.

AND I'M NOT GONNA REHASH ALL OF THOSE POINTS TONIGHT, BUT I WILL SAY, FIRST OFF, I DON'T THINK PARTICULARLY WITHIN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, CHANGING IT FROM PRIMARY TO SECONDARY REFLECTS THE REALITY ON THE GROUND THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

THERE ARE NUMEROUS AREAS IN THE CITY THAT ARE YELLOW ON THAT MAP RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE TOWN HOMES THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF DUPLEXES, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE I WOULD SAY THEY ARE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT IN VERY NEAR SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, DETACHED RESIDENCES.

AND THEY PEACEFULLY AND, AND HAPPILY

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COEXIST.

I THINK OF, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I USED TO LIVE IN WHERE I WAS ON A BLOCK OF SINGLE FAMILY D HATCH HOMES.

YOU GO OVER A COUPLE BLOCKS AND THERE IS A BLOCK OF DUPLEX AND IT IS ALL ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYONE GETS ALONG AND THE DUPLEXES DON'T, YOU KNOW, CAUSE HARM TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DON'T CAUSE HARM TO THE DUPLEX.

WHAT I HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE IS THAT WE SEE, YOU KNOW, DUPLEXES THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC AND TRIPLEXES THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC TODAY.

BUT THE DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES OF YESTERYEAR ARE FINE AND PREVALENT.

AND AGAIN, WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS DESIGN.

AND WE HAVE WORKED LONG AND HARD ABOUT COMING UP WITH LANGUAGE IN THIS DOCUMENT TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

AND THE WAY THAT WE ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS IS NOT BY SAYING DUPLEXES AREN'T PREVALENT IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES.

IT'S SAYING WE NEED MEANINGFUL DESIGN STANDARDS FOR DUPLEXES BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONSIDER WHERE AND HOW TO ADD THEM.

AND THE OTHER THING IS TOWN HOMES.

THERE IS SO MUCH OF THE CITY THAT'S YELLOW RIGHT NOW THAT CONSISTS OF, OF OF TOWN HOMES.

SO AGAIN, CHANGING THIS FROM PRIMARY TO SECONDARY DOESN'T REFLECT REALITY.

UM, AND, AND I JUST CANNOT, I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT PEOPLE THINK THIS WILL ALLAY CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THERE ARE HIGHER AND BETTER PURPOSES TO THIS, UM, COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AND, AND POLICY GOALS TO SET.

AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REACH, YOU KNOW, A COMPLETE CONSENSUS AND JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME VOCAL VOICES IN OPPOSITION TO KEEPING THIS IN HERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT A, AS WE HAVE THIS ON THE LIP OF THE CUP AT CPC, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THIS DRASTIC CHANGE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? COMMISSIONER BLACK THEN, UM, ON THE SCREEN YOU DO TOO.

UM, I HEAR WE NEED, I HEAR THE RES, EVERYONE SAYS THEY WANT TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE AREAS OF THE CITY.

I HAVE A BLOCK.

WE, THAT IS, WE HAVE A, A MAJOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN DISTRICT EIGHT THAT IS DUPLEX.

AND I HAVE, UM, SOME LOTS IN MY DIS IN RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

THEY BUILT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT IT'S IS OWNED FOR A DUPLEX.

SO TO SAY THAT, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IS THE ONLY, UH, PLACE TYPE IN SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

I'M NOT CON, I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN GET WITH, WITH COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.

I KNOW WHEN THE RESIDENTS IN MY SMALL TOWN, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL ON, ON THREE DASH 13, THE LOCAL EXAMPLE IS WE BERG EAST BERG, RILEY, AND JOBY.

IT, IT DOESN'T SAY ANY OTHER DISTRICT.

IT JUST SAYS SEVEN AND AND EIGHT.

AND WHEN I DID OUR FOCUS GROUP, THEY WERE OKAY WITH SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.

UM, BECAUSE THEY ALSO KNOW THAT IN ORDER TO GET GROWTH IN SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL, IN ORDER TO GET SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY, THEY ABSOLUTELY NEED, THEY HAVE TO HAVE MORE ROOFTOPS.

BUT TO HAVE THE ROOFTOPS WITHOUT HAVING MULTIFAMILY, BUT TO STILL KEEP IT SINGLE, KEEP IT WITH HOME OWNERSHIP, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THAT IS WITH SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.

SO I, I WOULD SAY AT THE 40 FOOT LEVEL THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, UM, IT DOES NOT MATTER.

IT'S A, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SAME.

IT'S NOT UNTIL WE GET AT THIS HORSESHOE,

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HE WOULD DO IT AGAIN.

AND IF YOU GO TO DISTRICT ONE AND THEY SAID A DUPLEX, MID-BLOCK, HE WOULD SAY IT'D BE OKAY IF YOU GO TO DISTRICT FOUR.

IF YOU GO TO DISTRICT UH, SEVEN AND THEY SAID DUPLEX, TRIPLEX IN A SINGLE FAMILY IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY.

SO TO PUT IT IN THE MATRIX WITH ONE AND, AND THEN TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND BE THE ONLY FOCUS THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT, I THINK IT'S TOO LIMITING.

AND IT'S NOT WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO GO.

WE CAN'T BE BOLD IN ONE AREA WHERE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE EXTREMELY INNOVATIVE AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE TOOLS AND THEN, AND THE NEXT MOVE TAKE THOSE TOOLS AWAY.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY WANT TO GO.

BUT THEN THAT'S JUST ME SPEAKING, BUT I WILL PROTECT MY NEIGHBORHOOD THE WAY I NEED TO WHEN IT'S GETTING ON THE GROUND.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS GONNA DO, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO.

COULD I GET SOME CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT COMMISSIONER FORSYTH MADE? BECAUSE I HEARD IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY.

I WA I WAS THINKING HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT, UM, PRESERVING PDS, YOU KNOW, THE INTEGRITY OF, OF WHAT'S IN A PD.

AND I, I GUESS WHAT I HEARD WHEN YOU SAID THAT WAS THAT IF A PD GAVE SINGLE FAMILY AS, AS A, UH, YOU KNOW, ALLOWED USE THAT, THAT MEANT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED THE WAY IT MEANS NOW AND NOT ALL THESE OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING.

WAS THAT WHERE YOU WERE GOING? OR DID MY MIND GO SOMEWHERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT? THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, I, WHAT I SAID WAS PDS WITH WHERE THE UNDERLYING, UH, ARE THE BASE ZONING FOR THE PD IS, IS OUR ZONING.

I HEARD THAT.

WAS IT REALLY TALKING? 'CAUSE MOST PDS SAY THESE ARE THE ALLOWED USES.

THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ALLOWED USES.

AND IF SINGLE FAMILY ISN'T ALLOWED USE, WHAT I WAS THINKING WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ATTENDING WAS THAT THAT SINGLE FAMILY MEANS IN THE FUTURE WHAT IT HAS MEANT WHEN THAT PD WAS WRITTEN, THAT A SINGLE FAMILY ALLOWED USE IS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSE.

AND IF SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE IT GETS CHANGED TO INCLUDE ALL THESE OTHER TINY HOMES AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT, THAT THOSE THINGS WON'T, WON'T, YOU KNOW, COME IN THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, SO TO SPEAK.

UM, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT.

BUT EVERYONE SEEMS OKAY 'CAUSE WE, WE'VE GOTTEN OFF A DIFFERENT SUBJECT ALTOGETHER, IT SEEMS TO ME, BUT OKAY.

UM, BUT BACK TO THE DISCUSSION THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

UM, YOU KNOW, PRIMARY IS NOT THE ONLY USE, UM, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY, THEY'RE ALL ALLOWED.

PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ARE, ARE, OR SUBJECTIVE.

UM, I, I, I THINK WE HAD, WE HAD AGREEMENT ON THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, HOUSING THAT COULD BE IN THESE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES.

SO I GUESS I'M SORT OF IN COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S CAMP THAT I THINK WE ARE UNNECESSARILY ALIENATING PEOPLE BY INSISTING THAT, THAT, WELL I SHOULDN'T SAY INSIST, OUR VOTE WAS TO MAKE THOSE PRIMARY BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE INTERPRETING THAT AS AN ASSAULT ON THEIR, ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, YEAH, BECAUSE AS I WAS LISTENING TO PEOPLE TALK TODAY, I HEARD MORE AGREEMENT THAN I EXPECTED.

'CAUSE I HEARD PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I SUPPORT IT.

BUT THEN THEY, THEY SAID, WELL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT GENTRIFICATION THAN I HEARD PEOPLE SAY, I OPPOSE IT BECAUSE OF GENTRIFICATION, BUT I SUPPORT BLAH IT UP.

SO I MEAN, I HEARD, YOU KNOW, MORE AGREEMENT THAT I WAS REALLY ANTICIPATING.

AND I, I GUESS I THINK WE WOULD UNDERCUT A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION IF WE DID MAKE SOME OF THESE, UH, USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL USES IN SMALL TOWN AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, SECONDARY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL GO TO A VOTE AND IT'LL BE WHAT IT IS.

IS REALLY, IS REALLY OUTTA HAND WITH, WITH FORWARD DALLAS, WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS WHO DEMOTE DISTRICT HAS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT HAS DUPLEXES, PLEXES, DUPLEX, UH, UH, TOWN HOMES, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ATTACHED DETACHED.

COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU THERE? I BELIEVE THAT, UM, DETACH, I MEAN DETACH AND DETACH SHOULD BE PRIMARY.

BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY AND, AND BECAUSE THIS HOUSING ISSUE, UM,

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AND THEY ARE OLDER, 60, 70, 80-YEAR-OLD HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE AND HAVE COEXISTED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

AND, BUT, AND, AND THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT WE HEARD FROM AT FORT WORTH, DALLAS IS NOT THE REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THEY ARE THE REPRESENTATION OF, OF DISTRICTS AND PROBABLY THE ONE OF THE MOST OFFENSIVE PEOPLE THAT I HEARD TODAY, BUT I MUST SAY WAS THE MOST TRUTHFUL OF THE PEOPLE WHO PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT, THAT THAT, THAT THIS IS A MONEY GRAB OR SOMETHING.

UM, WITH THE HOUSING TO THE EFFECT, I CAN'T QUOTE WRITE QUOTE UNQUOTE, BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THAT THIS SHOULD BE ALONG IN, IN SOUTH DALLAS WHERE THERE IS ALREADY, UM, THERE'S ALREADY, UM, UM, UH, TRANSIT AND NOT IN THE, UH, THE UM, OR FLUENT AREAS OF DALLAS.

AND, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S BEEN COMING TO CPCI LITERALLY HAVE BEEN URGING.

I'M SO HAPPY MS. RAGSDALE CAME TODAY.

I'M SO HAPPY THAT A COUPLE OF MORE PEOPLE CAME BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN SECTOR DOES NOT GET REPRESENTED IN THIS CONVERSATION AT ALL.

THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ISSUES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS MOSTLY AFFECTS THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY THAT IS HAVING AN ISSUE WITH HOUSING CHOICES.

THE NORTHERN PART OF, OF DALLAS HAS EVERY TYPE OF HOUSING ALL MIXED IN EVERY WHICH WAY.

YOU MIGHT GET SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HERE, BUT I CAN SAY DISTRICT 14, I CAN GO THROUGH DISTRICT 14 AND SEE A SIXPLEX, A DUPLEX, A A GROUP OF HOMES ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND THEY'RE NOT BRAND NEW, THEY'RE OLDER.

UM, WE'RE LAND, MOST OF THE NORTH IS LANDLOCKED, WHERE THE SOUTH IS JUST A WIDE OPEN TYPE OF DEAL.

SO, UH, I I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ELSE, WHICH WAY ELSE TO GO.

UM, I KNOW THAT FOR MY DISTRICT, WE ARE DOING DISTRICT WE'RE DOING, WE DOING DESIGN STANDARDS.

'CAUSE THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE HOUSING IS NOT WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING IT PROTECTS.

IT IS THE DESIGN STANDARD.

I HAVE A STREET WITH ALL DUPLEXES IN MY DISTRICT, RIGHT? BUT BECAUSE OF DESIGN STANDARDS AND WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY AT THE ZONE AT ZONING, I'VE BEEN ASKING THE QUESTION OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

IS IT A STATE OR IS IT A CITY DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SAYS AT ZONING AND IN HOMES, IN IN RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONING CASES, WHY WE CAN'T DESERVE CONSIDER DESIGN STANDARDS EVERY TIME.

AND BECAUSE WE CAN'T, IT IS A CAUSE FOR PAUSE FOR ME, A CAUSE FOR PAUSE IS DO A DUPLEX MIX ON A CERTAIN STREET.

IT DOES, BUT THE DESIGN OF THAT DUPLEX IS GOING TO BE SO GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE.

OR IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE THAT IS SLUMMING GOING TO BE PRESENTING THAT.

SO I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S A HOUSING ISSUE.

WE NEED TO BE WORKING OUT, WHETHER DO WE ASK DEVELOPMENT TO, DO WE ADD THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO SAY IN ZONING CASES, CAN WE CONSIDER DESIGN STANDARD? BECAUSE IF NOT, WE CAN GO ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND WE CAN BE MAKING A PERSON CAN BUILD A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S GROSSLY INCOMPATIBLE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, AND, AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE OH, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THAT SHOULD GO WITH THAT.

SO I THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION IS HOW, HOW DO WE, WHAT RULE I SOME, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HAD THIS HAPPEN WHO MADE, WHO, IS IT A STATE LEGISLATION? IS IT A DEVELOPMENT, UH, CODE? WHAT IS IT THAT SAYS IN ZONING CASES, WE CANNOT JUST, WE DON'T, WE ARE NOT, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PRESENT TO US WHAT THEIR DESIGN IS GONNA BE WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING.

'CAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA MAKE OR BREAK A NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, NOT SO MUCH THE ZONING CASES.

YOU CAN GET A NICE SIX CLICK AND, AND IT FITS THE COMMUNITY OR DUPLEX THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN AT WHAT, 40,000, UM, UH, UH, UH, FOUR THOU 440,000, UH, HEIGHT OR WHATEVER.

RIGHT? BUT THEN ON THE GROUND IT LOOKS DIFFERENT.

SO THAT'S THE ISSUE.

SO WHO CAN SOMEONE TELL ME THAT, IS THAT A DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT A DEVELOPMENT CODE OR IS THAT A STATE REGULATION? SO COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

SO ONE OF THE LIMITATIONS OF OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT CODE IS IF YOU REZONE PROPERTY TO A, A DUPLEX OR AN R FIVE OR AN MF TWO, UM, THERE IS NO SITE PLAN, THERE'S NO ELEVATIONS THAT COME WITH THAT ZONING

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CHANGE.

UM, AND THERE ARE LIMITED DESIGN STANDARDS WITHIN THOSE BASE ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE THAT HAPPENS, UM, IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF CPC AND COUNCIL, IS SOMEONE APPLIES TO CHANGE THE ZONING.

AND, UM, JUST AS THERE WAS A, A, A CASE ON SAMUEL DISTRICT TWO, WHERE COMMISSIONER HALL, I THINK ASKED ABOUT THE, THE DESIGN OF IT, AND THERE, THERE WAS NO SITE PLAN THAT ACCOMPANIED THAT ZONING REQUEST BECAUSE IT WAS A STRAIGHT ZONING CHANGE.

THAT SITE PLAN OR ELEVATIONS AREN'T REQUIRED.

AND OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS LIMITED ABILITIES IN, UM, UH, THE, THE DESIGN PARAMETERS OF CERTAIN HOUSING.

SO FOR SCHOOLS, WE ASKED SOME SPEED TO C STANDARD FOR, SO FOR ME, FOR ME AND PATRICK, UM, PATRICK, UM, ANDREA, YOU ALL KNOW FOR ME IT'S NOT THE MIDDLE HOUSING, IT'S NOT WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING WE GET.

IF THERE IS NOT A DESIGN STANDARD, WE, THE, THE PRIMARY SECONDARY, NONE OF THOSE USES IS GONNA MAKE, IT IS NOT GOING TO REALLY, UH, UH, MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

BECAUSE THE ISSUE IS THE DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SAYS WHEN, WHEN A CHANGE OF, OF ZONING, WHEN A ZONING CHANGE COMES BEFORE THIS BODY RELATED TO HOUSING.

RIGHT? THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR CITY IS OUR HOUSING.

WE CAN JUST, WE HAVE TO JUST SAY, WELL, IS IT AROUND THE CORNER? IS IT ACROSS THE STREET? IS IT THIS, IS IT THAT? AND IF IT IS, OKAY, WE CAN GO WITH THAT WITHOUT SEEING ANY DESIGNS.

AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE GET GARBAGE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

AND FOR ME, THAT'S A CAUSE OF CAUSE AND, AND I, I I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE, HOW DO WE DO THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE ISSUE.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICE AND, AND FOR COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, I, I CAN GET BEHIND IT IF IT ALSO INCLUDES DETACH AND ATTACH SINGLE FAMILY, BUT NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY BY ITSELF.

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO ADDRESS THE DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SAYS WHEN A ZONING CASE RELATED TO HOUSING, NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT THEY HAVE TO BRING US SOMETHING AND WE CAN APPROVE IT.

ALSO, WE KNOW WE CAN'T APPROVE WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE USING, THE CRITERIA THEY'RE USING, UM, UNLESS IT'S PRESERVATION OR HISTORICAL OR HOWEVER, BUT I CAN'T SEE US GOING ANYWHERE IF WE CAN'T GET IT.

WE CAN'T HAVE A, UM, WE CAN'T CONSIDER WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING.

I PROMISE I WON'T TALK LONG, BUT I, IT'S, WE HAVE OTHER FOLKS THAT WANNA SPEAK FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR SECOND TIME.

I FEEL THE OPPORTUNITY NEED TO RESPOND.

YOU WILL, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE'LL GO A SECOND ROUND.

UH, I HAVE JUST A VERY QUICK COMMENT.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE MOTION WOULD LEAVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, UH, AS, NOT AS A PRIMARY USE ON ANY PLACE TYPE COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M, I'M GONNA SAY IT UP FRONT THAT I'M TAKING MYSELF OUT OF A RACE FOR MOST POPULAR COMMISSIONER WITH THE COMMENTS I'M ABOUT TO MAKE.

BUT WE'VE BEEN DEBATING THIS TOPIC NOW, I THINK FOR 45, 50 MINUTES.

I THINK WE COULD TAKE NO ANSWER OR ANY ONE OF THE ANSWERS THAT'S BEEN PUT FORWARD.

A LOT OF GOOD THOUGHT, A LOT OF GOOD OPINIONS EXPRESSED, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO ON THIS TOPIC, WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE THE BALL ONE INCH.

AND WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS HERE WHO HAVE COME UP WITH A REASONABLE PLAN.

IF WE, IF WE TAKE THIS AND SAVE ALL THIS GREAT CREATIVE ENERGY FOR SOME OF THE REALLY IMPORTANT TOPICS THAT WE'VE GOT COMING UP, I THINK WE'LL BE A LOT, BE BETTER OFF.

BUT I, I'M JUST, I I, THE, THE PACE OF THIS DISCUSSION IS GETTING US NOWHERE.

NOTHING WRONG WITH ANYBODY'S COMMENTS, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT MOVING THE BALL A BIT.

CAN WE, CAN WE JUST EITHER LEAVE THIS ALONE, TAKE A VOTE ON IT, DO SOMETHING, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON AND START GETTING ONTO SOME OF THE METEOR MOWER.

IMPORTANT ITEMS ON THIS? ARE YOU CALLING THE QUESTION COMMISSIONER? KNOW WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE DONE.

ARE YOU CALLING THE QUESTION? I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL THE QUESTION.

YES, YES YOU CAN.

BUT IF I CAN CALL THE QUESTION, I WILL CALL THE QUESTION AND WE CALL THE QUESTION COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UH, LET'S TAKE A RECORDED VOTE.

THIS IS A VOTE ON YOUR MOTION.

THE, THE MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION IS A OH, IT'S A VOTE? YES.

AND IT'S A TWO THIRDS VOTE.

I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

PARDON ME.

RESPOND TO THE PERSONAL.

PARDON ME.

LET'S LET MR. MOORE SPEAK FOR JUST A SECOND.

MR. MOORE.

MR. CHAIR.

SO A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION REQUIRES A TWO THIRDS VOTE AND IF APPROVED IT WOULD SHUT OFF DEBATE AND WE WOULD VOTE ON THE MOTION THEN.

LET'S DO THAT.

LET'S VOTE ON THE CALL TO QUESTION.

UH, LET'S TAKE THAT RECORDED

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VOTE PLEASE.

SIDNEY'S THE TWO THIRDS.

DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE? YES.

WHAT IS THAT? DISTRICT SIX? YES.

DISTRICT 12? IT'S OUT.

SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE WAIT, WAIT, I WOULD KNOW, LET'S GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER FOREC, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION ONE LAST TIME? SO IF WE CAN DO THAT.

TURN YOUR MIC ON YOUR MIC, SIR.

YES, I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO CHANGE THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED LAND USES FOR SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL FROM PRIMARY TO SECONDARY.

IS THAT SUCCINCT? IS THAT CORRECT, MELISSA? I BELIEVE SO.

AND IT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

LET'S TAKE A RECORDED VOTE.

DID YOU HEAR HE, HE SAID NO.

HE SAID NO.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I'M SORRY.

YEAH, SHE JUST DISTRICT FIVE? NO.

ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING MOTIONS THAT WE CAN DISPOSE OF BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DOCUMENT? LET'S GET INTO THE DOCUMENT.

CAN YOU TAKE OVER FOR A MOMENT PLEASE? AND I GUESS I TURN IT OVER TO STAFF.

ALRIGHT, SO BACK TO, UH, THE DRAFT HIGHLIGHTS.

UH, SO THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD, I THINK IF YOU LOOK ON THE, ON THE PRESENTATION, I THINK THAT FALLS WITHIN NUMBER FIVE.

UH, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE MATRIX, UH, DISCUSSING PRIMARY, SECONDARY USES, UH, I THINK THINGS ARE, WERE STILL WITHIN THAT CAMP.

I WANNA KEEP OUR CONVERSATIONS BY THESE BUCKETS PER SE.

UH, SO ANY, ANY I ANY CONVERSATIONS OR MOTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS REGARDING, UH, THE DEFINITIONS FOR PRIMARY, SECONDARY, UM, ANY OTHER TWEAKS TO THE MATRIX, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO, TO BRING THOSE UP.

I WAS TRYING TO READ AS YOU SPOKE.

WHAT ARE WE BRINGING UP? OKAY, SO NO WORRIES.

, I APOLOGIZE.

IT'S, I'M GONNA FOCUS.

IT'S 9:00 PM WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.

SO, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE PRESENTATION ON HERE, UH, FOR THE DISCUSSION ITEMS, WE JUST FINISHED TALKING ABOUT THE PRIMARY SECONDARY USE FOR COMMUNITY IN, IN SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL TO, TO KIND OF KEEP IN THAT THEME OF DISCUSSIONS, UM, ASKING THIS BODY IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, MOTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BRING UP REGARDING, UH, MAYBE THE DEFINITION OF PRIMARY, SECONDARY, OR ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, TWEAKS TO THE MATRIX, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

I WANT TO KEEP COMING THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN, IN THESE BUCKETS.

UH, SO KINDA WANNA BRING IT UP.

I SEE YOUR MICROPHONE ON COMMISSIONER FORSYTH.

JUST A RESIDUAL MICROPHONE.

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ACTUALLY, NOW THAT MY MOTION HAS BEEN DEFEATED, I WILL MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.

SINCE WE'RE ON THESE PLACE TYPES.

I, I, I, IF WE CAN JUSTIFY PUTTING SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS A PRIMARY LAND USE AND THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, THEN WE CAN JUSTIFY PUTTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HAS PRIMARY LAND USES IN THE CITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

AND I'M MU SO MOVE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? HAS THAT MOTION ALREADY BEEN MADE? MY, NO, IT IS NOT WHAT WE CONSIDER.

WHY DID WE DO? MY MOTION IS TO, UH, MOVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED FROM SECONDARY TO PRIMARY LAND USES IN CITY RESIDENTIAL.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT MOTION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE.

SO AS THE CHAIR, I WOULD NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE PRIOR MOTION ON THAT.

WHO MADE THE MOTION? IT WASN'T MADE.

IT WAS JUST PART OF OUR DISCUSSION, THE PRIOR DISCUSSION.

I WITHDREW IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, THE MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND.

WAS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? ANYONE? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, THE MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

UH, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? UM, AND MR. GU, WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE THIS, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE USE OF PREVALENT IN BOTH THE PRIMARY USE AND THE SECONDARY USE DEFINITION, IF THAT IS REDUNDANT.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE CAN I SUBMIT A WORDING CHANGE THAT WE CAN TAKE UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN DEFERENCE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SO THAT THEY CAN READ THIS, UNDERSTAND IT IN LIEU OF TRYING TO TAKE THAT UP TONIGHT? I WOULD SUGGEST COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THAT YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION NOW, AND IF WE NEED TO TABLE IT FOR A FUTURE MEETING, THAT WOULD BE FINE.

BUT LET'S GET IT ON THE TABLE NOW AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.

WE MAY CHOOSE TO MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION.

NO ONE ELSE MAY HAVE A COMMENT.

I'M GONNA TAKE ONE MINUTE WHILE I FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WORK.

TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING AND INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING AND ALL OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS.

UH, WHILE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WORKS ON HER MOTION MEMBERS, ANY I DID NOT, UH, MR. CARPENTER? YES.

UM, ACTUALLY WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS IN THIS 32 PAGE DOCUMENT SOMEWHERE, BUT, UM, SINCE, UH, MR. AGU ASKED FOR, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT THE MATRIX NOW, UM, I DID NOTICE, UM, WHEN I WAS READING THE APPENDICES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WERE NEW TO ALL OF US IN THIS DRAFT, UM, WHEN I GOT TO THE KLEBERG RILEY THAT IT STARTED, IT WAS SAYING THAT, UM, THE MOST OF THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING IN DALLAS IS IN THAT PARTICULAR, UH, SECTION OF TOWN.

AND THAT MADE ME REALIZE THAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE MANUFACTURED HOUSING ANYWHERE IN THIS MATRIX.

IT IS A TYPE OF HOUSING.

DO YOU HAVE A MOTION THERE? WELL, I, I, I CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT IT'D BE INCLUDED OR, OR IF WE WANNA HEAR STAFF EXPLAIN IT.

I, I GUESS I WANT, YES, I WANTED TO HEAR STAFF IF THERE WAS A, WAS IT DELIBERATELY OMITTED OR I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

SO THE EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE ON HERE, UM, FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE KIND OF TOUCHING SOME OF THE MORE PREVALENT LAND USES THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UM, THE MANUFACTURED HOMES, I THINK, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IS ONLY A PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN.

SO THAT WASN'T ONE OF THOSE ITEMS, BUT, UH, WE ARE OPEN TO TWEAKING THE EXAMPLES THAT ARE ON THE MATRIX.

UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, TO BRING THAT ONE UP.

WELL, I, YOU KNOW, SINCE SOME OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DATA THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN DURING THIS DISCUSSION SHOWS THAT, UH, THE, SOME OF THE STRONGEST NEED FOR HOUSING IS FOR THE, YOU KNOW, LOWER INCOME BRACKETS.

UM, MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS A TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A DIVERSE, IT'S ONE OF THE DIVERSE, UH, TYPES OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME IT HAS A ROLE, UH, TO PLAY SOMEWHERE.

SO, AND I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE EQUITY ISSUE OF IT BEING SEGREGATED, CONGREGATED IN ONE PART OF TOWN.

SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE APPROPRIATE THAT IT BE LISTED HERE SOMEWHERE.

AND I, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SORT OF OUTSTATE, OR DO YOU CONSIDER IT TO BE RIGHT? I THINK IT IS DEFINED WITHIN OUR SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, BUT I THINK, UM, PRACTIC.

, YEAH.

SO, UM, AGAIN, TRYING TO SEPARATE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND 51 A, WHICH ARE OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, BECAUSE MANUFACTURED HOUSING IT GETS REALLY TRICKY REALLY QUICKLY AND GETS INTO HUD DEFINITIONS AND THE

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I THINK COMMISSIONER YOUR, TO YOUR OVERALL COMMENT THAT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, IF THAT IT SHOULD BE A TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALLOWED IN DIFFERENT TYPES OF, WE CAN EITHER INCLUDE IT AS, UM, A SINGLE, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DETACHED MULTIFAMILY MULTIPLEX, UM, OR INCLUDE THAT AS A, A DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, AND THEN GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHERE THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND, AND LESS APPROPRIATE.

UM, I, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, MOST OF OUR MANUFACTURED HOUSING ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH WOULD THEN HOUSE ALL OF OUR MANUFACTURED HOUSING LAND USES, UM, ARE EITHER IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE OR IN THE SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

I, I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

OR JUST THROUGH MORE, YOU KNOW, UM, OIL ON THE FIRE.

I THINK I SORRY, GO AHEAD.

I WAS GONNA SAY, IN THINKING ABOUT THAT, JUST LOOKING AT THE MATRIX, IF WE, BASED ON JUST THE TWO HOURS OF CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD REGARDING SOME OF THOSE OTHER EXAMPLES, ONE, WHERE WOULD THAT GO AND WOULD YOU FEEL THAT THAT, WOULD THAT TRIGGER ANYTHING ELSE? SO I WANTED TO THINK ABOUT THAT TOO AS WELL.

AS I'M HEARING FROM YOU ALL, I SEEN COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S HAND UP FOR A LONG TIME, WILL GO TO HER THEN COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THEN I HAVE A COMMENT TO, SO I KNOW THAT PROBABLY THE REASON THAT IT'S SO MANY IN, IN CLEAVER RALEIGH IS BECAUSE IT'S A RURAL TYPE OF COMMUNITY.

THE MAJORITY OF IT'S RURAL COMMUNITY.

BUT I CAN SAY THIS, UM, ON X LINE STREET, WE HAVE ONE THAT WAS BROUGHT IN, GOD, I WANNA SAY 15, 14, 13 YEARS AGO.

THAT DOES NOT LOOK ANY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OF OUR OTHER HOUSES.

SO IF YOU DIDN'T SEE IT BE, IF IT WASN'T BROUGHT IN IN THE PIECES, THE TWO PIECES THAT IT CAME IN, UM, YOU WOULD KNOW TODAY.

WE KNOW BECAUSE, UM, AND IT'S A HIGH QUALITY.

I THINK THE CONCERN THOUGH WOULD BE, UM, WOULD IT ONLY BE DUMPED IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR? BECAUSE I CANNOT SEE OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH EVEN ALLOWING THAT UNLESS IT'S, AGAIN, UNLESS IT'S LIKE IN A SOUTHERN TYPE OF LIKE, UM, THE REASON WHY IT'S PROBABLY ONLY AT CLEAVER RILEY AND PROBABLY THOSE MORE OF, OF, UH, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? UM, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THOSE AREAS? I MEAN, I CALL IT THE COUNTRY, THOSE , THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE.

YOU HAVE MORE LAND.

UM, IT FITS, UH, I MEAN YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT USING MAIN FACTOR HOMES TO MAKE A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND MAIN FACTOR HOMES ARE PRETTY HOT THESE DAYS.

THEY'RE NOT CHEAP NO MORE.

THEY, THEY, THEY, AND THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE MANUFACTURER HOMES OF YESTERDAY OR TRAILER HOMES OR WHATEVER.

BUT THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THEY'RE IN THAT SECTION BECAUSE OF THE RURAL, BECAUSE IT'S RURAL.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE, ONE THAT I KNOW FOR SURE IN THE MIDDLE OF SOUTH DALLAS ON X LINE RIGHT BEFORE AT, RIGHT BEFORE MALCOLM XI CAN CONSIDER IT, BUT AGAIN, I GUESS A SKIRT, I DON'T KNOW, WOULD IT BE THE CHEAPEST OR THE CHEAP OR, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS AN OPTION.

BLAIR, 85% OF ALL THE CITIES, UM, MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS IN MY DISTRICT.

IT'S IN THE CLE RILEY AREA.

IT'S IN CLEAVER SPECIFICALLY OF THE 85% THAT'S IN MY DISTRICT, I WOULD SAY 90% OF THEM ARE NOT HOUSING STOCK.

THAT IS APPRECIATED.

MY DISTRICT WANTS THEM GONE.

UM, I WOULD NOT BE IN, UH, AN AGREEMENT TO, TO PUT MANUFACTURED HOUSING ANYWHERE ELSE.

I I, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS, ON THIS HORSESHOE WANTS MANUFACTURED HOUSING IN THEIR DISTRICT.

ANYBODY.

UM, IT, IT'S IT'S QUESTION WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

WE'RE GONNA LET COMMISSIONER BLAIR FINISH HER REMARKS, THEN WE WILL RECOGNIZE PEOPLE IN ORDER.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'S, IT, AND THE WAY THAT IT IS MADE UP IS NOT A STANDARDIZED WAY OF HOUSING.

IT'S A CROSS BETWEEN APARTMENT LIVING AND HOME OWNERSHIP.

AND THE HOME OWNERSHIP THAT YOU OWN IS NOT ONE THAT WITHSTAND, THAT GENERALLY WITHSTANDS THE TIME OF A STANDARDIZED HOUSE.

UM, SO WITHIN 10 YEARS YOU MAY HAVE BOUGHT A $50,000 PURCHASE AND WITHIN 10 YEARS IT'S ONLY WORTH 5,000

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OR 10,000.

THEN YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO PAY THE RENT ON THE SLAB.

SO YOU'RE GONNA ALWAYS PAY THE RENT ON THE SLAB.

AND THAT PRICE IS, DOES NOT, THERE IS NO AFFORDABILITY, IF YOU WILL, ON THAT SLAB.

SO TO SAY ADD THAT AS A HOUSING STOCK, I THINK WOULD BE MORE PROBLEMATIC IN ADDING IT TO THE MATRIX AND HAVING IT SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE WOULD COME ALONG AND SAY, I WANT TO PUT THIS TYPE OF HOUSING STOCK ALL OVER THE CITY.

I'M GONNA CHIME IN.

UM, NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ISSUE OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS, IS VERY COMPLEX.

THERE'S THE PRODUCT THAT WE SEE IN COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S DISTRICT ON ONE HAND, THERE IS ALSO, I THINK SOME PEOPLE TRYING TO INNOVATE IN THIS SECTOR AND MAKE WHAT MIGHT BE LEGALLY CONSIDERED MANUFACTURED HOUSING IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY.

AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE THING TO INJECT INTO THE PLACE TYPE LAND USE MATRIX AT THIS TIME.

MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AS A POLICY GOAL UNDER THE HOUSING CHOICE AND ACCESS, WE COULD INCORPORATE SOMETHING THERE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WOULD BE, BUT I AM AT THIS POINT VERY FIRMLY, UM, IN DISAGREEMENT WITH INJECTING MANUFACTURED, UM, HOUSING IN THE PLACE TYPE LAND USE MATRIX.

UM, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER THEN COMMISSIONER, SHE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, I I, YOU SOMEWHAT TOOK THE WORDS OUTTA MY MOUTH, BUT I, BUT I, I THINK THIS IS REALLY MORE A, A CONSTRUCTION TYPE THAN IT IS A, THE, THE KIND OF DECISION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH DUPLEXES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND OTHERWISE, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT, I THINK IT WAS ON 60 MINUTES A, A PROGRAM THAT WAS ON JUST THIS LAST WEEK ABOUT, UM, UH, HOMES BEING MADE WITH 3D PRINTERS.

UH, THAT MAY BECOME A PROMINENT BUILDING STYLE IN, IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OUR LIFETIMES ANYWHERE THE LIFETIME OF THIS PLAN.

SO TO ME, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY HAVE A THOUGHT IN MIND WHEN WE THINK OF BAND MANUFACTURED HOUSING, I THINK, I THINK IT'D BE A MISTAKE TO TRY TO WRITE CODE AROUND THAT BUILDING TYPE.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, THAT WE NOT DO THAT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CHAIR.

NO COMMENT.

MEMBERS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.

MY INTENTION IN BRINGING IT UP IS THAT IT IS A HOUSING TYPE THAT EXISTS.

IT DOES EXIST IN THE CODE.

I HAVE TRACKS OF LAND IN DISTRICT SIX THAT ARE ZONED MH YOU KNOW, AND WE GET PLAT THAT COME THROUGH FOR MOBILE HOME PARKS THAT NEIGHBORS OBJECT TO, AND WE GET ZONING CASES ASKING FOR MOBILE HOME PARKS.

SO WHETHER IT'S IN THE MATRIX OR NOT, AND I, I SEE THE POINT IN NOT INCLUDING IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A A, A DOCUMENT THAT IS ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE AND THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF IT IN A CERTAIN PART OF TOWN SHOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE SOMEWHERE.

PERHAPS WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THIS PART OF, WE DON'T, PERHAPS WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, ENCOURAGE A PROLIFERATION OF, OF, YOU KNOW, MOBILE HOME PARKS.

UM, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP TO SAY THAT THAT IS A TYPE OF HOUSING THAT DOES EXIST HERE.

IT DOES.

WE DO HAVE CODE, UH, WITH STAND, YOU KNOW, WITH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR IT.

AND IT SEEMS TO BE THAT WE OUGHT TO INCLUDE IT SOMEWHERE IN HERE.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION HERE? SHE WAS ASKING A QUESTION IF WE WERE GONNA MAKE A MOTION.

SHE WANTED RUSH.

UM, DO I'LL MAKE ONE.

I MOVE THAT WE NOT PUT MANUFACTURED HOUSING IN THE COMP PLAN TO, WE HAVE A SECOND.

I SECOND.

UH, IS I THINK THE PROPER TERM WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS IS THEY HAVE TO GO A STEP FARTHER AND IT BECOMES A MODULAR HOME TO MEET SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS.

ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, I I'M JUST, I'M JUST PLAYING DOUBLE ADVOCATE.

SO MANUFACTURER HOMES AND, AND TRAILER HOMES ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

MATTER OF FACT, THE ONES THAT WE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ARE MODULAR HOMES.

SO MODULAR HOME, YOU CAN'T HAVE A MANUFACTURER HOME WITHIN A CITY IF THEY'RE MODULAR HOMES, WHICH THAT HAS A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAT HAS TO BE REACHED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

UM, AND SO MAYBE I SPOKE WRONG, IT WAS NOT A, IT LOOKS LIKE A MANUFACTURER HOME, BUT IT'S A MODULAR HOME.

UM, THAT'S WHAT, UH, THEY'RE CALLING THEM.

AND THEY ARE NOT THE MODULAR HOMES AND MANUFACTURER HOMES OF THE, AND TRAILER PARKS, TRAILERS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT IN MANUFACTURE HOMES AND MODULAR HOMES.

UM, UM, SO WHEREAS WE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT MANUFACTURE HOMES, WE, OR, UH, MAYBE I NEED TO BE ASKING, UM, UM, UM, MR. GO,

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SO THE MAIN FACTOR, THERE'S MAIN FACTOR, THERE'S TRAILER AND THEN THERE'S MODULAR.

ALRIGHT, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE UP VOTE, UM, ON COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MESSAGE.

I I NEED CAN CAN WE GET, CAN WE GET A CLARIFICATION FIRST? BECAUSE AGAIN, MANUFACTURE TRAILER AND MODULAR MODULAR ARE, ARE THE TYPE OF OF HOUSING THAT, AND THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY REACH DIFFERENT STANDARD AND MODULAR HOMES ARE, ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE CITY LIVE.

SO THERE ARE MOBILE HOMES, THERE'S MANUFACTURED HOMES, AND THERE'S ALSO INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING.

UM, THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE DEFINED, UM, BOTH BY 51 A AND BY HUD AND THE STATE OF TEXAS.

UM, THE COMMISSIONER IS RIGHT.

THERE ARE SOME TYPES OF MODULAR TYPE OF HOUSING.

IT'S CALLED INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING.

THAT'S ALLOWED, UM, PER OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, EITHER AS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, OR A MULTIFAMILY PROVIDED THAT IT FOLLOWS THOSE BASIC RULES OF ZONING.

THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF MODULAR HOMES, THE MANUFACTURED HOMES OR THE MOBILE HOMES THAT WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED, UM, PER DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THE MANUFACTURED HOME, THE MH ZONING DISTRICT.

UM, BECAUSE IT, IT GETS NOT ONLY INTO, UM, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CODES AND HOW THEY'RE CREATED, HOW THEY'RE BUILT, AND WHEN THEY ARE BUILT.

SO, UH, THE COMMISSIONER WHEELER IS RIGHT ON THAT.

AND JUST TO ADD TO THE MANUFACTURE DEFINITION, UM, YOU CAN MANUFACTURE A STRUCTURE IN A WAREHOUSE AND BUILD IT TO LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DETACHED PRODUCT.

UM, THAT'S MORE, THAT'S 1500 SQUARE FEET.

SO IT'S THE, GOING BACK TO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER MENTIONED, IT'S THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE MOST PART IS HOW YOU BUILD IT.

IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE FORM.

UH, IT'S HOW IT GETS BUILT.

IT.

SO, SO AM I, AM I IN THAT, THAT IF WE VOTE ON THIS, SO IN 51 A DOES MY, IT IT SAYS MODULAR.

AM I CORRECT? UM, BECAUSE I, I'M, I I THINK, AND, AND I, I'M, I ONLY BROUGHT IT BACK UP BECAUSE I REMEMBER GOING TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASKING.

'CAUSE I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHY COULDN'T THEY, WAS THEY, IT WAS BECAUSE IT'S MODULAR AND THOSE ARE OUR LIVES.

ARE THEY, ARE WE CONSIDERING THAT JUST A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BECAUSE OF THE HIGHEST BUILT OF, UH, PATRICK? UH, AGAIN, SOME TYPES OF MODULAR DESIGN HOMES TO COMMISSIONER SLEEPER POINT ARE DESIGNED IN A CERTAIN WAY TO MEET INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE IN A FACTORY.

AND THEN DEPENDING UPON HOW THEY'RE THEN PLACED ON THE GROUND, COULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IN AN R FIVE OR R SEVEN FIVE ZONING DISTRICT.

AND IT LOOKED LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

EVEN IF IT WAS BUILT IN A FACTORY, THERE WERE OTHER TYPES OF HOUSING THAT ARRIVE ON A TRAILER THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE PUT IN A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.

'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THAT BUILDING CODE, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL PRODUCTS.

I JUST WANNA CLARIFY FOR THE BODY THAT WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW ON THE, IIII KNOW WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, UH, UH, UH, UM, UM, VICE CHAIR.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CLARIFICATION, DO WE CLARIFY? SO MODULAR HOME, UM, IS, IS IS JUST CONSIDERED A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

UM, IT, RIGHT.

AM I PATRICK? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I, I EVEN, UM, VOTE ON THAT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT IT CAN, IT CAN BE COMMISSIONER.

CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION PLEASE? YES.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.

ON THE MOTION? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WOULD YOU REPEAT IT PLEASE? YEAH, I MOVE THAT WE NOT HAVE ANY MA MANUFACTURED HOUSING IN THE COMP PLAN.

UM, CASES TO ADD MOBILE HOME PARKS.

JUST A CLARIFICATION.

THE COMP PLAN ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE HAVE MOBILE HOME PARKS IN CLEAVER RILEY.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED OR IS THERE A, OR IF I BACK UP.

WELL, I THINK, DOES PLANNING HAVE A POLICY THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCOURAGING THE PROLIFERATION OF MOBILE HOME PARK? SHOULD WE BE ADDRESSING IT THAT WAY? WELL, I THINK I, I THOUGHT WHAT SHE WAS TRYING TO DO IS HAVE IT BE A CATEGORY IN THE MATRIX AND I SEE MANUFACTURED HOUSING AS A CONSTRUCTION STYLE THAT'S REGULATED BY NOT JUST OUR CODE, BUT STATE LAW.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT.

AND SO I WAS NOT GONNA HAVE IT AS A NO.

SOMETHING IN THE MATRIX.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY, BUT I, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE REFINED IT TO MEAN MOBILE HOME PARKS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE GET CONFRONTED WITH ON A SOMEWHAT REGULAR BASIS IS TO ZONING,

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SO I GUESS THE QUESTION COULD BE, IS THERE A POLICY GOING FORWARD ABOUT MOBILE HOME PARKS IN THE CITY OR SHOULD THERE BE, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T A MOBILE HOME PARK BE CONS? IF IT BY DEFINITION IT BY DEFINITION IT'S MOBILE, IT'S ON WHEELS, IT'S NOT A SINGLE FAMILY.

MIGHT I JUST JUMP IN TO TRY TO CLARIFY SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT OR GIVE TWO OPTIONS? I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION AROUND THE MANUFACTURING TYPES, THE TYPE OF HOUSING, WHERE IT IS, WHAT THE POLICY COULD BE.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE AGREEMENT WAS GENERALLY NOT TO HAVE IT IN THE MATRIX.

NOT TO MENTION IN THE MATRIX, I WOULD SAY THAT IF ANYTHING WERE TO GO INTO THE COMP PLAN FROM A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WOULD GO INTO THE HOUSING MATRIX.

I WILL SAY THAT ON A DAILY BASIS, OR NOT A DAILY BASIS, BUT ON A NOT SO INFREQUENT BASIS, WE HAVE QUESTION ABOUT MANUFACTURED HOUSING, INDUSTRIALIZED HOUSING, UM, YOU KNOW, 3D PRINTED HOUSING, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT IN THE MATRIX.

A RECOMMENDATION TO REVISIT ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WORK THROUGH WHERE AND HOW THEY MIGHT BE APPLIED IN THE FUTURE.

WOULD THAT WORK? OKAY.

SOUNDS GOOD.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

LOVE IT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON ACCEPTED THE AMENDMENT.

OH MY APOLOGIES, PLEASE.

UH, ALRIGHT.

UH, ANY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY.

THE MOTION CARRIES COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AT THE RISK OF DISRUPTING OUR TREMENDOUS PROGRESS FORWARD ON PAGE THREE SIX, SECONDARY USE, STRIKE THE WORDS.

A LESS PREVALENT UNDER SECONDARY USE TO READ A USE THAT MAY SERVE TO SUPPORT OR COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USE IN A PLACE TYPE.

IF I HAVE A SECOND, THE RATIONALE IS JUST TO REMOVE THE REDUNDANCY.

IT COULD BE A REPLACED WORD, SECOND OR SUPPLEMENTAL.

AGAIN, I, NO, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO BRING THEM FORWARD.

I AM HAPPY FOR THAT CONSIDERATION TO BE TAKEN UP SEPARATELY.

I JUST, I WAS ASKED TO GET IT ON THE RECORD.

THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT IS.

THE LANGUAGE SEEMS REDUNDANT AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO BRING SOME CLARITY TO WHAT THE INTENT AND THE DIFFERENTIATION.

DIFFERENTIATION IS.

I THINK IT'S A QUESTION AROUND THIS BODY AND WE'VE HEARD IT FROM OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION QUESTION? THE MOTION? YES.

THE MOTION IS TO MOVE THE WORDS LESS PREVALENT, JUST TO STRIKE IT UNDER SECONDARY.

SO PRIMARY LAND USE OR PRIMARY USE, EXCUSE ME, WOULD READ A MORE PREVALENT AND PROMINENT LAND USE THAT PLAYS A PIVOTAL ROLE IN CHARACTERIZING A PLACE TYPE SECONDARY USE IF REVISED A USE THAT MAY SERVE TO SUPPORT OR COMPLEMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USE IN A PLACE TYPE.

PREVALENT MEANS THE MOST, SO THE LESS BIGGER.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION? I I'LL CHIME IN HERE.

UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT TAKES A STEP AND MAYBE A DIRECTION THAT, THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THERE IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON SERVING OR COMPLIMENTING A PRIMARY LAND USE.

THAT MAY NOT BE THE, THE SOLE VALUE OF A SECONDARY USE.

I, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE CITY RESIDENTIAL WHERE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS A SECONDARY USE AS OPPOSED TO A PRIMARY USE.

AND I DON'T THINK THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS NECESSARILY SUPPORTING OR COMPLEMENTING THAT MULTIPLEXES AND, AND APARTMENTS IN CITY RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S PLAYING A DIFFERENT AND IMPORTANT ROLE.

SO I LIKE THE REFERENCE TO LESS, LESS PREVALENCE IN ADDITION TO THE POSSIBILITY OF IT BEING SUPPORTING OR, OR COMPLIMENTARY.

SO I WOULD PROBABLY NOT SUPPORT THIS ONE.

I THINK WE'VE GOT IT GOOD WITH PRIMARY AND SECONDARY.

AND UH, JUST FROM KIND OF STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, I'M KIND OF HEARING WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON MENTIONED.

UH, 'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE WORD PREVALENT, UH, IF YOU WERE JUST TO USE A SYNONYM, JUST SAY BIGGER, THE LESS, BIGGER, IT KIND OF SEEMS CONTRADICTORY.

I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE, MAYBE THE POINT THAT WE'RE GETTING AT WITH THAT WORD OR HOW IT'S PHRASED.

UH, 'CAUSE

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SO I THINK JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SECONDARY USE BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, IS JUST CLEANER IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S DEFINING WHAT LESS WHATEVER IS.

SO THAT'S KINDA WHY I HEARD, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A THAT'S HELPFUL.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO WE WANT TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT? I MEAN, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION? OKAY.

UM, UNLESS THERE'S A MOTION TO TABLE, WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON IT.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY.

NAY.

WHY DON'T WE TAKE A QUICK RECORDED VOTE? I, I DIDN'T HEAR EVERYONE VOTE ON THAT.

WOULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION PLEASE? CAN WE JUST TABLE THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING? I THINK WE'VE CLEARLY HIT OUR LIMIT FOR WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROCESS.

AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO EXCEPTION TO A SECOND WORD.

I JUST THINK USING PREVALENT TWICE IN THE SAME DEFINITION.

I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE.

IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM, IT SEEMS LIKE WE CAN DO BETTER.

I'M NOT WILLING TO, I I DON'T FEEL THAT STRONGLY ABOUT IT.

I JUST THINK THAT WE CAN ADD SOME CLARITY THERE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO TABLE IT.

THE MOTION WAS WITHDRAWN.

UH, SO, SO JUST TO JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHERE WE ARE.

WE, YEAH, WE, WE, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO, WE DID ONE.

WE DID ONE.

JUST DARK LIGHT RAIL STATIONS AND TALKS ABOUT THE LAND WITHIN TOD AREAS, HALF MILE OF DARK RAIL STATIONS.

UM, 15 TO 32.

SO WE STILL HAVE TO FINISH ONE PLACE TYPE.

WHICH ONE IS IT? WHAT NUMBER ARE WE ON? SO, ALRIGHT FOLKS.

NOT TO BE THE UM, BEAR OF UNFORTUNATE NEWS, BUT UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE GREEN AND YELLOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN, WE DIDN'T ADDRESS TOD.

WE DECIDED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE'RE GONNA TABLE THE FINALIZING THE TOD DISCUSSION.

SO WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THAT TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ANY MOTIONS THAT NEED TO BE PUT ON THE FLOOR TONIGHT TO ADDRESS TOD.

AND THEN WE, I THINK WE DID A LOT OF THE DESIGN STRATEGIES FOR MANY OF THE PLACE TYPES AND THEN WE ALSO GOT COMMENTS ON THOSE.

BUT WE ALSO TA THE TWO BIG, THE OTHER BIG THING IS THAT WE TABLED THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PLACE TYPES, RIGHT? WE DID NOT REVIEW THOSE PAGES.

SO YES, MUCH OF THEM IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S EASIER FOR YOU ALL IF WE JUST GO TO THOSE PAGES IN THE DOCUMENTS WE DID THE LAST TIME, LIKE WE DID THE LAST TIME.

AND IDEALLY WE'RE COVERING A LOT OF WHAT'S IN THE MATRIX RIGHT, THAT WE HANDED OUT EARLIER TODAY.

SO I THINK IT'S EASIER TO GO TO THE DOCUMENT.

LET'S GO TO THE FIRST ONE.

WHAT PAGES WHERE WE'RE, WELL THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO T-O-D-T-O-D UNLESS YOU WANNA GO TO ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.

TOD IS ON PAGE TWO SIX.

STARTING ON TWO SIX.

SO FOR THOSE USING OUR SPREADSHEET, IT'S ON PAGE EIGHT OF 32 AND ONWARD.

I, UH, SO AS I RE AS I REMEMBER, I THINK IN BOTH THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THERE WERE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE TOD LANGUAGE.

I DON'T KNOW IF EITHER OF YOU WANNA BRING ANY OF THOSE UP TO THE BODY TONIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION.

WELL, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON IS THAT TOD IS DESCRIBED DIFFERENT WAYS IN THE DOCUMENT.

IF YOU READ THE GLOSSARY DEFINITION OF TOD, IT VERY SPECIFICALLY JUST SAYS, IT JUST TALKS ABOUT, UM, LEMME FIND IT, UH, A PATTERN OF HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND CIVIC USES WITH AN URBAN DESIGN AND HIGH QUALITY SUPPORT FOR WALKING, ET CETERA.

THE PERTINENT PART HERE IS DEVELOPED NEAR HIGH PERFORMANCE TRANSIT STATIONS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT PAGE TWO SIX, IT SAYS A TOD CAN BE FOCUSED AROUND LIGHT RAIL STATIONS AS WELL AS MAJOR BUS NODES BY INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAILS.

AND WHEN YOU GO ON THE SAME PAGE WHERE WE DAY, IT TALKS ALMOST COMPLETELY ABOUT

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AND THEN YOU GET TO OTHER SECTIONS AND IT INTRODUCES, YOU KNOW, CORRIDORS AND THE, SO I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW, ARE WE, WE HAVE AN ANSWER.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.

SECONDED DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS.

I, I CAN ANSWER THAT.

SO THE, THE GLOSSARY DEFINITION IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE OLDER DEFINITIONS.

SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS TO JUST UPDATE THAT TO FALL IN LINE WITH THE, THE MOST RECENT UPDATES AND CHANGES IN THE TOD.

DID YOU KNOW THAT PAGE OR THAT SPREAD? JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE SAYING THE, THE CONSISTENT THING ON BOTH SIDES.

SO WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.

DID YOU CATCH THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, I DID.

BUT I, I THINK ANOTHER PERTINENT QUESTION HERE IS WHEN WE GET TO THE PART ABOUT, UM, HALF A MILE, YOU KNOW, TO UH, LAND IS CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE FOR TOD DENSITY IF IT'S WITHIN HALF A MILE OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU KNOW, DART STATIONS, MAJOR BUS NODES, UH, ACTIVITY CENTERS, CORRIDORS, TRAILS, I MEAN, BY THE TIME YOU INTRODUCE TRAILS AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, A GREAT DEAL OF THE CITY IS WITHIN HALF A MILE OF THE TRAILS WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE KATY TRAIL, THE C***S CREEK TRAIL, THE SANTA FE TRAIL, THE PRESTON RIDGE TRAIL, THE WHITE ROCK LOOP TRAIL, AND ALL THE OTHER TRAILS.

I I'M THINKING THAT THE SCOPE HERE IS FAR BEYOND WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK OF AS TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

SO YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT TOO AS WELL.

SO AS WE TALK ABOUT TOD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TYPICALLY THE HALF MILE RADIUS AND THE QUARTER MILE RADIUS.

AND AS WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DART AND OUR CONSULTANT, THEY SAID, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE CITYWIDE COMP PLANT LEVEL, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT LARGER SCALE.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE COVERING CITYWIDE.

WHEN YOU GO INTO NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS AND MORE DETAILED SCALE, UM, THE QUARTER MILE STARTS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION A MORE GRANULAR, UH, KIND OF APPROACH OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, ON THE GROUND.

SO BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR TRANSIT AGENCY AND OUR, OUR CONSULTANT, THE HALF MILE RADIUS WAS WHAT WAS, UH, SUGGESTED TO USE THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

I'M SORRY, I'M NOT, THAT WASN'T QUITE CLEAR TO ME.

I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE STARTING WITH A HALF MILE, BUT WHERE DOES THE QUARTER MILE STICK JUMP IN? SO WHEN WE START TO LOOK INTO NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS THAT GO MORE INTO DETAIL, UH, OF A SMALL GEOGRAPHY, THE QUARTER MILE, UH, RADIUS IS WHERE THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE A, A BIT MORE NUANCE, UH, AND, AND, UH, SPECIFICITY WITH THAT.

UM, RADIUS DOES IT, DOES IT SAY THAT ANYWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT? I CAN'T, I CAN'T RECALL IT.

WE'VE ONLY USED A HALF MILE, BUT WE CAN INCLUDE THAT DESCRIPTOR IF THAT'S HELPFUL.

I, I JUST THINK THAT THIS, THIS HAS A, AS THIS PERCOLATES THROUGH THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THIS, THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR BEING AS CONTROVERSIAL AS WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN INTO WITH, YOU KNOW, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ATTACHED AND DETACHED AND ALL OF THAT BECAUSE, UM, BY THE TIME YOU INCLUDE THE LAND WITHIN EITHER QUARTER MILE OR HALF A MILE OF TRAILS AND CORRIDORS AND BY AND ALL THIS, I MEAN IT'S PRETTY MUCH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH DALLAS.

SO CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN NOW TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR MANY MONTHS, DOD UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, OR I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU THEN, OR THE BODY, IF WE'RE GONNA CHUNK THESE OUT, WE'VE GOTTA START COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION AND WE'VE GOTTA ACTUALLY START COMING UP WITH HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS CHANGE.

SO NOW WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THIS HALF MILE IS GENERALLY AT THE CITYWIDE SCOPE, LARGELY AT TRANSIT CENTERS.

WE'VE GOT SOME SCALED NUANCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL OF MAYBE IT'S LOOKING AT A QUARTER MILE, DIFFERENT TYPES OF, MAYBE IT'S NOT THE HIGHEST ORDER TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT CAN, IS SOMEBODY WILLING OR IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCLUDE SOME MORE NUANCED LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW THERE IS ALSO A QUARTER MILE CONSIDERATION.

WE'LL GO BACK AND WORK AGAIN WITH OUR CONSULTANT, WE'LL WORK AGAIN WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, THE AGENCIES.

I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE WE PULL IT INTO HERE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS, I THINK, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID ON THE PREVIOUS, ON THE NEXT PAGE WE DO HAVE A MOTION.

I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION HALF MILE FOR DART RAIL STATIONS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT BUS TRANSIT CENTERS AND THEN LIKELY QUARTER MILE FOR THE REMAINING THINGS LIKE BIKE TRAILS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I, I,

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I THINK THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.

I WASN'T ABLE TO WRITE ANY, UM, LANGUAGE UNTIL I THOUGHT THERE NEEDED TO BE A, A DISCUSSION OF THE BODY TO, TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE WANTED TO GO WITH THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER ANTHONY, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DIDN'T CATCH THE END OF SIGNIFICANT BUS.

OH, SIGNIFICANT.

I KNOW.

SORRY.

I WAS TRYING TO WRITE, I USED THE WORD NODES, WHICH MAY NOT BE A SIGNIFICANT BUS.

YOU SAID TRANSIT CENTERS? TRANSIT CENTERS, YEAH, THAT THAT'LL WORK.

YEAH, THERE'S ONE DOWNTOWN.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, ALL THOSE.

I WOULD JUST ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT WE MAKE, THAT WE AIM FOR CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE TOD, THE GLOSSARY AND EVERYTHING THAT IF, IF WE'RE THAT YES.

THAT WE DON'T HAVE CERTAIN SECTION.

THAT WAS GONNA BE THE NEXT ONE.

UH, AND MY APOLOGIES 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN THE CHAMBER, BUT IT WAS KIND OF WHISPERED.

SO WE'RE WE, WE DO NEED A CONSISTENT, UH, DEFINITION THROUGHOUT THE, THE DOCUMENT AND I THINK WE'RE ALL OKAY ON THAT.

AND YOU WANT TO ADD THAT TO YOUR MOTION? AND I THINK THERE'S TWO, I MEAN THERE'S LIKE THREE HERE, SO I TRY TO WRAP THEM ALL PLEASE.

WELL, SO IN THE NEXT MOTION OR LET'S GET THIS ONE OUT.

AND THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

OKAY, SO I'M ON PAGE 8 32 OF THE HANDOUT AND THERE'S, UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO GET COMMISSIONER HALL.

WOULD IT BE FAIR THAT WE'VE NOW ADDRESSED YOUR COMMENT, WHICH IS THE FIRST ITEM ON PAGE EIGHT WITH THE CLARIFICATION ON THE HALF MILE AND THE QUARTER MILE.

I THINK YOURS MAY ALSO JUST BE A MATH CLARIFICATION AS WELL.

IS THAT CORRECT? I'M TRYING TO HIT EVERYTHING ON THIS PAGE, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT YOURS COVERED ALREADY.

SO, UM, I MOVE AND I FORGET WHAT WE'RE UPDATING THE MOTION THAT, YOU KNOW, AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE.

WE, NO, WE JUST DID, YEAH, WE JUST VOTED SO THAT WE INCORPORATE BIKE, BUS AND TRAIL INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THAT WE UPDATE THE LANGUAGE VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED LAND TO READ VACANT AND UNDEVELOPED LAND AT THE TIME OF THIS PLAN.

AND UNDER THE GLOSSARY ON THE TRANSIT ORIENTED, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT THE GLOSSARY BE UPDATED AND THAT REFERENCES THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT BE MADE CONSISTENT.

I'LL SECOND AT THAT.

ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

YOU OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

UM, SHOULD WE JUST NOT JUST GO PA PAGE BY PAGE AND GET THESE VOTED IN? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? YOU WANNA DO THIS? YES.

YOU STILL GOT MORE? YEAH, YOU WANNA JUST DO THAT ONE? YOU JOIN US ON THAT PAGE, I BELIEVE CHAIR, CHAIR.

I BELIEVE IN THE, THE MOTION THAT WE JUST DID.

IF YOU GO TO 17 OF 32, I THINK IT IS, UM, WE HAVE ALREADY HANDLED SOME OF THE, WELL, IT'S ONE OF THESE PAGES ON THE BO OH, HERE IT IS.

IT'S SEVEN, YEAH.

17 OF 32 ON THE BOTTOM.

UM, WE REPLACE HALF IN QUARTER MILE THE SENTENCE TO SAY, OKAY.

SO WE, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THAT.

AND I BELIEVE ON PAGE EIGHT OF 32 ON HALLS, IT MAY HAVE HAD SOME REFERENCE TO WHAT WE JUST DID.

'CAUSE THAT'S, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE SHE, UH, WHERE, UM, YEAH, IT'S NUMBER, IT'S, UH, ON THE TOP OF, IT'S ON THE TOP OF, OF 8 32.

EIGHT OF 32 2 DASH SIX TO DISCUSS TOD IN, IN DART BUS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

UM, HALF MILE OF DART RAIL STATION, DA DA DA DA DA.

AWESOME.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE KNOCKED SOME OF THIS OUT, RIGHT? YES.

AND I THINK, UH, I READ ALL OF YOUR CHANGES AND THEY'RE ALL IN HERE.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK I SUPPORTED ALMOST ALL OF THEM.

AND THEY'RE JUST HERE WAITING

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FOR US TO VOTE ON IT.

I'M, I'M HOPING YOU GUYS ALSO READ THEM BEFORE TODAY AND WE JUST HAVE TO FIND THEM HERE.

I KNOW, I, I SAW COMMISSIONER KINGSTONS ARE KIND OF SPREAD OUT AND COMMISSIONER HALLS.

UH, AND EVEN, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT, I HAVE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S THE EMAIL EMAIL, UM, AS, AS A PAPER COPY WITH ME.

I DID NOT PRINT, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTERS OUT OF, BUT I HAVE, OH, HERE IT IS.

I HAVE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S STAY IN HERE.

I SURE DID.

THEY'RE ALREADY IN HERE ON, ON HERE.

AND I, LET'S GO FOR IT.

SO, SO BLESS YOU.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

THE, THE EMAILS ARE ALL IN HERE AND STAFF JUST KIND OF WENT SUBJECT BY SUBJECT AND PUT THEM TOGETHER, UH, WHICH TOOK 'EM ALL DAY LONG AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

UH, BUT IT'S ALL IN HERE TO CLARIFY.

I THINK IT'S BY PAGE, RIGHT? YES.

ITS SUBMIT YOUR ORDER.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S SOLE EMAIL, YOU CAN STILL FOLLOW ALONG ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S BY THE, THIS THING IS BY PAGE, IT JUST COMPRESSES EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS FROM THE SAME PAGE INTO ONE.

OH.

IS THAT HOW YOU DID? YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

SO IF COMMISSIONER KINGSTON GOES JUST BY HERS, IT'LL STILL BE BY PAGE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

I'M ON PAGE TWO DASH EIGHT TWO DASH NINE AND MY MOTION WAS TO INCLUDE AN ILLUSTRATION THAT THAT SHOWS MORE STREET CARS, TROLLEYS, BIKES AND TRAILS.

THAT'S A MOTION IN THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? THAT'S THE FIRST ITEM.

YOU OPPOSED? ONE SCOTT.

COMMISSIONER PLEASE.

LEMME HAVE A PAGE 82 DASH NINE.

WHO, WHO STEPPED BACK.

DOWN, AS LONG AS YOU PUT SOME AFFORDABILITY IN THERE, YOU CAN GO WAY UP.

MY NEXT ONE WAS ON PAGE THREE 17.

UM, I THINK THAT COULD HAVE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TEAR DOWN NATURALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN TERMS OF FOR MORE DENSITY.

SECOND.

OH, THANK YOU.

MOTION.

THE SECOND DISCUSSION, A THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WAITING FOR.

THIS IS, UH, YOU HAVE A COMMENT.

I DO WANNA MAKE SURE I, BEFORE REMOVING THIS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE PLAN THAT, SO WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IS OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY HOMES, THE REALITY OR IT'S A LOT OF THE GARDEN STYLE HOMES.

THE REALITY IS, OR GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT HOMES, AND THIS IS IN EVERY JURISDICTION THAT I'VE WORKED IN, THEY'RE AGING LANDLORDS WILL START TO NOT UPKEEP THEM BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN GET MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO IT STARTS TO SORT OF FALL WITHIN DIS DISREPAIR.

IT CAN IF A CITY DOESN'T INTERVENE.

AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF IT DOES GET, WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THIS PLAN THAT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THOSE GARDEN HOMES, GARDEN APARTMENT HOMES GET REDEVELOPED, THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT BECAUSE THAT IS NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT THE REPLACEMENT THAT FOLKS THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS WILL EITHER HAVE AN OPTION TO COME BACK INTO THE NEW REDEVELOPMENT AND MAYBE WE GIVE MORE DENSITY IF YOU GIVE SOME AFFORDABILITY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I JUST DON'T, 'CAUSE THAT IS A RECIPE FOR MASSIVE DISPLACEMENT.

IF WE DON'T HAVE THINGS IN PLACE THAT, IF REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN GARDEN STYLE HOMES, THAT THAT IS A MASSIVE DISPLACEMENT CONCERN THAT MIGHT BE BETTER HANDLED IN A IMPLEMENTATION.

BECAUSE TO ME, THIS SAYS IF YOU TEAR IT

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AND IT JUST ENCOURAGES THEM TO TEAR DOWN.

AND THAT WOULD BE FINE.

WITH ME.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THIS, THAT'S THE INTENT OF IT, THAT WE HAVE THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE SOMEWHERE SO THAT IT'S ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.

MR. YEAH.

CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A PLEASE MOTION TO AMEND THIS AND JUST HAVE A PERIOD AFTER REDEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING OUR FINGERS ON ONE SOLUTION FOR THIS, BUT WHEN THERE IS REDEVELOPMENT OF MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS, WE SHOULD ESTABLISH A PLAN TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT.

I THINK I HAVE A SECOND OVER THERE.

WELL, OH YEAH.

UH, YOU'RE, THAT'S FINE.

SO SHE ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT COULD BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

REALLY? YEAH.

SHE ACCEPTED IT.

UH, COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, HAMPTON CARPENTER.

WELL, I, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION GOING ON, AND SOME OF IT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE FULLY RETAINED, BUT I, I HOPE WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT, UM, WHEN SOMEONE HAS AN OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEY'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP IT, THAT PART OF THEIR OBLIGATION IS TO ESSENTIALLY HOUSE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEX.

IT, IT, I HEARD SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.

IT SCARES THE JEERS OUT OF ME THAT WOULD, THAT'LL NEVER WORK.

AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD THWART DEVELOPMENT IN A, IN, IN A WAY THAT YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE.

SO I HOPE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

I MEAN, IT'S A NICE, IT SOUNDS NICE, BUT IN, IN REALITY, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPRACTICAL AND BURDENSOME.

I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL CASES IN ANY TIME THERE'S A REDEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS IN THE CITY THAT ARE REACHING THE CUSP OF, IT'S A LOT.

IT'S GAR.

IT'S REALLY THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE SPREAD OUT ON SO MUCH LAND THAT THEY COULD BE REDEVELOPED DIFFERENTLY.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO ONE OF THE PRIMARY OPTIONS IN MULTIFAMILY UNITS FOR FAMILY LIVING BECAUSE THEY'RE BIGGER UNITS.

YOU GOT, YOU ALL KNOW ALL OF THIS.

SO THAT'S REALLY MY CON OR THAT'S, I THINK WHAT PART OF THE INTENT WAS IN THIS IS THAT, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, VICKERY MEADOW, VICTORY MEADOW GETS REDEVELOPED AT ITS MAXIMUM EXTENT WITH TOWERS.

I MEAN, THAT IS JUST MASSIVE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE.

THE WAY I SEE IT JUST STRIKES, I'M SORRY.

THE WAY I SEE IT WORKING, I THINK IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN PRACTICE.

YOU TEAR DOWN A MF TWO HOUSE, UH, BUILDING IN UPTOWN AND THEY WANNA REPLACE IT.

AND YOU SAY, OKAY, GREAT.

YOU WANT A BUNCH MORE DENSITY.

YOU EITHER PAY THE FEE IN LIE OR YOU PUT UNITS IN.

AND BY THE WAY, I WANNA SEE YOUR UNIT MIX HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF LARGER UNITS THAT ACCOMMO ACCOMMODATE SOME FAMILIES OR TWO BEDROOMS. SO YOU'RE ALREADY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU'RE DISPLACING PEOPLE AND BUILDING SOME OF THOSE UNITS BACK INTO THE MIX AND OR PARTICIPATING IN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM AS PART OF YOUR OVERALL PACKAGE TO GET THAT INCREASE IN DENSITY.

PRACTICALLY EVERY APARTMENT COMPLEX I CAN THINK OF, INCLUDING SOME THAT HAVE BEEN ON PROPERTY THAT WE HAD, THAT WERE REDEVELOPED, WERE BUILT AND REPLACED.

UM, AND THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT ONCE LIVED IN THOSE APARTMENTS AND THEY ENDED UP MOVING SOMEWHERE ELSE.

BUT IT, BUT TO TRY TO TIE THAT IN AS THAT KIND OF SOCIAL DECISION TO TRY TO TIE THAT INTO THE ZONING AND LAND USE POLICY, I, I JUST THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING ON VERY TREACHEROUS GROUND WHEN WE TRY TO DO THAT.

I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD NOT GO THAT DIRECTION.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER GREAT SOCIAL POLICIES IN HERE, BUT TO SAY ANYTIME YOU TEAR DOWN AN EXISTING COMPLEX, YOU'VE GOT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT USED TO LIVE THERE.

I, I THINK THAT WOULD SET US BACK EONS IF WE DID THAT COMMISSIONER HAND.

WELL, DO YOU WANNA CLEAN IT UP? YEAH.

UM, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SAYS WE NEED TO ESTABLISH A, A ONE FOR ONE RESPONSIBILITY ON ANY DEVELOPER.

IF YOU, YOU KNOW, TEAR DOWN 10 ACRES OF GARDEN

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STYLE APARTMENTS AND, AND BUILD UP A FIVE STORY WRAP OR, OR WHATEVER.

WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO REHOUSE EVERY SINGLE, YOU KNOW, PERSON THAT LIVED IN THOSE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AFFORD THE, THE NEW COMPLEX.

BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT IS ONE THING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

I CAN THINK OF AN EXAMPLE OF A ZONING CASE THAT I WORKED WHILE A DISTRICT WAS VACANT, WHICH INVOLVED POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF SOME GARDEN STYLE DEPARTMENTS.

AND ONE THING THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT VERY CAREFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, OR WE INCLUDE A MIXED INCOME HOUSE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS IN A LOT, IF NOT ALL OF OUR, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY REDEVELOPMENT PDS.

BUT ONE THING THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THERE, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, TAKING AN OLD SHOPPING CENTER AND DEVELOPING HOUSING, BUT TAKING HOUSING AND DEVELOPING DIFFERENT AND OTHER AND LESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS WHAT PERCENTAGE OF MIH SHOULD BE REQUIRED THERE.

IT CERTAINLY WASN'T GONNA BE ENOUGH TO HOUSE EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT OF THE, THE OLD COMPLEX, BUT IT IS ONE FACTOR THAT WE TOOK INTO PLACE TO PLACE AND WE MAYBE WENT UP, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE POINTS AND THE DEVELOPER WAS FINE WITH IT, AND WE GOT IT THROUGH AND EVERYTHING IS FINE AND DANDY NOW.

WELL, WE, WE, WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE SOME VERY GOOD PROGRAMS, UM, SUCH AS THE, UH, THE FEE AND LIE PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT DEVELOPERS THAT WANT THE INCENTIVE TO GO HIGHER, GO MORE DENSE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT COMES WITH E EITHER THE PROVISION OF, OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE UNITS IN, IN THE COMPLEX, OR PAYING A FEE IN LIEU OF, I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD PROGRAMS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING MAYBE NOT AS WELL AS EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE 'EM TO WORK, BUT THE PROGRAM ACTUALLY IS WORKING AND FUNDS ARE GOING IN AND THAT FEE OF LU THING.

BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN SAYING ANYTIME YOU, YOU HAVE A, AN OLDER COMPLEX AND YOU TEAR DOWN AN OLDER COMPLEX TO BUILD A NEW ONE THAT YOU'VE SOMEHOW OR OTHER GOT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REHOUSING ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THAT COMPLEX.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY DANGEROUS PATH TO GO DOWN.

DON'T WE HAVE DISPLACEMENT STUFF ALREADY BUILT INTO THIS? CAN WE GO BACK TO MY FIRST MOTION IS JUST REMOVE IT? YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE TABLES TO, TO DELETE THE WHOLE THING.

WELL, HE, NO, BRANDON OFFERED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

I ACCEPTED.

AND, AND I'M JUST WONDERING, I MEAN, DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A BUNCH OF DISPLACEMENT STUFF KIND OF BAKED INTO THIS PLAN? DO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO ORIGINAL MOTION? YEAH.

SO, SO THEN YOU DID A FRIENDLY, YOU DID AN AMENDMENT.

WE DON'T NEED TO, WE DON'T NEED TO.

I WILL WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT SO WE CAN VOTE ON THE UP OR DOWN.

SO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

WELL, IF I CAN JUST MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE.

I DID SECOND IT.

TO, IN CONSIDERING REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS, SHOULD, WE CAN'T USE CONSIDER AGAIN, BUT SHOULD ESTABLISH A PLAN TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT, PERIOD.

MY, I THINK HEARING SOME OF THE DISCUSSION, MS. ELLIS IS CORRECT.

I MEAN, WHEN I MOVED INTO MUNGER PLACE 30 YEARS AGO, EVERY COMMUNITY MEETING I WENT TO TALKED ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS AND HOW WE WERE FACILITATING FOLKS WHO WERE NO LONGER GONNA BE ABLE TO BE PART OF THAT COMMUNITY.

AND IT WASN'T IN A CODE, IT WAS SIMPLY A DISCUSSION THAT OBVIOUSLY NO LONGER HAPPENS.

ALL THOSE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS ARE STILL IN THE COMMUNITY TODAY.

I THINK I'M SENSITIVE TO WHAT COMMISSIONER SLEEPER IS MENTIONING.

I THINK WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS, INSTEAD OF SAYING ANY, IF WE CHANGE THAT TO SAY, IN CONSIDERING REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS SHOULD ESTABLISH A PLAN AND WHETHER WE CHANGE SHOULD TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT, THE, IT WAS SUGGESTED TO STOP IT THERE AND NOT TO TALK ABOUT MORE UNITS OF RETURN FOR AFFORDABILITY, BECAUSE THEN THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR M-H-D-D-E CODE.

SO IT CAPTURES THAT SPIRIT OF THIS SHOULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

IT DOESN'T ESTABLISH A REQUIREMENT.

IT SIMPLY SAYS IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT AND DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER.

AND THEN IT LEAVES IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT, TO THE TEAM, TO THIS BODY AT A FUTURE DATE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, TO THEN ESTABLISH WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

IT SIMPLY SAYS, THIS IS SOMETHING, AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S RIGHT, EVERYONE AROUND THIS BODY HORSESHOE KNOWS WE HAVE DISPLACEMENT.

WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT IN OUR AREAS THAT ARE RAPIDLY GENTRIFYING.

SO I, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE THERE'S A NEED TO HAVE LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT TRYING TO, THAT ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY, WHICH I THINK IS A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE TO OUR UP DOWN VOTE.

WELL, ACTUALLY, I JUST HEARD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, RIGHT? YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING, LET'S, UH, DELETE GUESS EVERYTHING AFTER, INCLUDING WELL, MR. THAT ADDRESS, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO IF WE CHANGE IT

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WELL, I DON'T CARE.

IT'S REALLY BAD.

SO IT'S, IT'S YOURS SUPPOSED TO DELETE IT COMPLETELY, BUT SHE SECOND THAT, BUT NOW WE HAVE A, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO JUST DELETE, UH, THE AFTER INCLUDING, I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH IT.

I I CAN GO EITHER WAY.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FALA, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT BASICALLY CRA THREE IS DESCRIBING OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM.

I DON'T, I I CAN'T SEE THAT A SAB I MEAN, WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A PLAN TO COMPLETELY AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT OF ANYTHING.

I MEAN, IF YOU REDEVELOP PROPERTY, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST GET DISPLACED.

IT'S, IT'S INEVITABLE.

YOU KNOW, YOU TEAR DOWN ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT, THEY MOVE ON.

WHATEVER.

I, I'M, I'M JUST NOT FOLLOWING WHAT WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING WITH THAT OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED WITH CITY POLICY COMMISSIONER.

WE THERE, I DUNNO, THIS PLAN DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

I, I THINK I DO LIKE, UM, THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OFFERED BY CO UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, WE DO HAVE DISPLACEMENT, UM, BUILT ALL THROUGH THIS.

WE, UM, BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN THAT WE THINK ABOUT, UM, VERY SELDOM, I HATE TO BRING THIS UP, BUT VERY SELDOM, WE HAVE A MULTIPLEX AND A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, UNIT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, AND WE ASK THEM TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

DO THEY EVER TAKE THEIR LOOP FEE? UM, WHEN UPTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, 600 AND SOMETHING UNITS, THEY DO THE IN LIE FEE.

BUT BY THE TIME THEY, IN LIE, FEE GETS, GOES TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

PEOPLE ARE STILL, IT IS LIKE, WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD THE FIRST PROJECT AND IT'S BEEN GOING IT'S TWO YEARS SINCE THAT CAME INTO EFFECT A YEAR AND A HALF.

AND SO I DON'T, I I DO LIKE, UH, THE CONSIDERATION, UM, UM, WE HAVE AN APARTMENT, THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

UH, I I WANNA SAY IT MIGHT BE IN MISSION OF SCHOCK DISTRICT, UH, WINDWOOD.

THAT'S, UH, THEY BUILT, THEY TORE DOWN HOUSING, BUT THEY ARE CONSIDERING BRINGING SO MANY OF THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, THEY GAVE FOR, THEY GAVE SO MANY UNITS FIRST CHOICE TO THOSE WHO WERE, THAT LIVED THERE, THAT LIVED THERE PRIOR.

SO I THINK IT IS A GOOD SUGGESTION, UM, THAT, UH, THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON MADE BECAUSE THEN LOU IS NOT WORKING.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE, ON THE TABLE THAT WAS AMENDED AND THE AMENDMENT WAS ACCEPTED.

IT WAS NOT ACCEPTED.

I SAY WE GET RID OF IT, THEN THAT IS THE MOTION.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH SECONDING THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? NO.

SO I'LL SECOND IT.

SO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SECOND IT, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DELETE CA THREE CRA THREE.

ANY OPPOSED? A WHATEVER? I DUNNO.

I THINK IT'S TIME TO, TO CLOSE IT DOWN FOR THE NIGHT.

UH, YEAH.

BUT JUST, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE BODY HERE ABOUT HOW WE'RE WE'RE GONNA MOVE THIS FORWARD.

UH, I HAVE THE SUGGESTION.

INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER, UM, PAUSE CAN BE STARRED AND THOSE ARE THE GONNA BE THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSS AND VOTE ON.

ONE THAT IS NOT GONNA BE, UH, ONE THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA LIKE.

BUT I, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT THAT SUGGESTION.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A SUGGESTION THAT HAS TO BE MADE THAT WE HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING NEXT WEEK.

I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA BE HERE.

I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS, WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND IT'S NOT, I KNOW, DON'T THROW EGGS AT ME, BUT IT'S NECESSARY.

MR. SCHOCK, PLEASE.

I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

UM, AND CAN I, I WANNA THROW ANOTHER IDEA OUT THERE.

UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA GET THROUGH THIS.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD ALL JUST READ THIS ON OUR OWN? AND THEN ANYTHING THAT GIVES ANY

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AND THEN THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THAT, UH, JUST READ IN ALL AT ONCE AND WE ALL SUPPORT THAT AS OPPOSED TO GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE CAN I ALSO MAKE A, UH, SUGGESTION, UH, RIGHT ALONG WITH HIS, IF THAT IS WHAT THE BODY NEEDS TO DO, WE CANNOT HAVE ANOTHER SEVEN PAGE, 10 PAGE, 20 PAGES OF CHA OF CHANGES THAT WE HAVE TO DO ON THE FLY, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING.

I STAYED UP UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK THIS MORNING READING ALL OF THE CHANGES.

I CAN'T DO THAT AND THEN HAVE TO COME AND, AND SPEAK IN ENGLISH AND STAY UP UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

I CAN'T DO IT.

I'M TOO OLD AND TOO TIRED.

SO THERE, THERE'S TWO ISSUES.

ONE, DO WE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING FOR THIS? AND THEN TWO, HOW CAN WE MAKE IT AS PRODUCTIVE AS POSSIBLE? I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SEPARATE.

BUT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE HAVE TO FIND A MECHANISM WHERE, UH, I KNOW HOW WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE WEEDS ON EVERY SINGLE WORD OF THIS THING.

AND WHICH IS FINE, BUT WE HAVE TO FIND A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE SIX MONTHS.

UH, AND SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR POSED ABOUT MEETING NEXT WEEK.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I'M LIKELY GOING TO BE IN HOUSTON.

SHE'S OUT.

I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT.

I THINK MY ONLY QUESTION IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL HERE, AND I DON'T COME BACK TO THE 23RD.

SHERIFF, I CAN HAVE A WORD.

YES, PLEASE.

WE, YES.

SO, UM, ME TOO.

I, I KNEW THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE CHALLENGING COMING INTO IT.

I TOLD YOU GUYS I WAS MAKING SACRIFICES TO DO IT.

UM, WE'VE HAD A FEW EXTRA SPECIAL CALL MEETINGS THAT WEREN'T PLANNED.

AND IT IS BECOMING KIND OF EXPENSIVE FOR ME TO BE HERE.

UM, I WILL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR NEXT THURSDAY, BUT, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE.

IT IS, IT IS BECOMING TO BE, UM, TOUCHY.

I I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO DO IT, BUT I WOULD DO A SUNDAY.

OH, THEN CAN, OKAY.

AND I HATE TO SAY THIS IS, THIS STUFF HAS GOT TO GET DONE, YOU GUYS, IT HAS GOT TO GET DONE.

I AM.

I I WE, THIS BODY HOLDING UP FORWARD DALLAS IS HOLDING UP THE CITY AND ITS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS TIED TO THE PROCESS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY.

THIS HAS TO GET DONE IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO DO SOME OF ITS OPERATIONS.

SO IF WE CANNOT BE THE STUMBLING BLOCK FOR THE CITY, SO IF WE CANNOT DO THIS AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I DON'T, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING TO, IS THIS IS COSTING YOU TO BE IN WITHIN THIS PROCESS.

SO IF WE CANNOT DO IT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, FOR FORSYTH THAT I'LL GIVE UP A SATURDAY IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE.

I, I DON'T, I WOULD HATE DOING A SATURDAY, BUT I WOULD PREFER DOING THAT THAN HOLDING UP THE CITY.

AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, UM, COMMISSIONER LORD, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, I'M AN ENTREPRENEUR AS WELL.

SO SATURDAYS COST ME AS WELL.

I WOULD RATHER DO IT ON A THURSDAY BECAUSE I CAN'T ASK A BRIDE TO CANCEL HER WEDDING.

UM, SO THAT, THAT BEING SAID, I SAID THAT TO SAY, I WILL BE THERE NEXT THURSDAY.

I'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO BE THERE NEXT THURSDAY.

BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YES, WE NEED TO BRING THIS HOME.

DO THE FIRST, YOU CAN'T DO THURSDAY.

TIM'S GONNA HAVE A CONFLICT TOO.

HOW ABOUT SUNDAY THE 21ST? SINCE SATURDAYS ARE WEDDING DAYS? I DO THAT.

I I'LL GIVE UP MY SATURDAY.

I CAN, I CAN DO THAT.

I, I WOULD NEVER FOLKS ONLINE.

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I WILL NEVER DO THAT.

DID YOU SAY NEVER OR I HAVE CHURCH ON SUNDAY? WELL, TO THE, TO THE POINT ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING CHURCH, I, I WORK ON THE WEEKENDS.

THEY'RE BUSY DAYS DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.

BUT I'M WILLING TO WORK AS LATE AS YOU WANT ON THE WEEKENDS, SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.

I KNOW IT'S NOT FUN OR CONVENIENT, BUT IF WE CAN MEET IN THE EVENINGS, I'M FREE BOTH THOSE DAYS ON THE WEEKEND, NOON ON NOON ON SUNDAY.

SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE IN THE MORNING.

NO, I'M TALKING LIKE 5:00 PM WELL, I, I BELIEVE MR. MOORE, MAYBE YOU CAN CORRECT THIS, THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT.

AND THE 72 HOUR TOMA POSTING REQUIREMENT WOULD MEAN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEET THIS WEEKEND.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AS VICE CHAIR.

RUBIN SAID THE WHAT DAY WAS THAT? THE 21ST.

I CAN MAKE, YEAH, I HAVE A, I GUESS DANIEL QUESTION, UH, COULD IT ALSO BE CRAFTED LIKE THE WORKSHOPS WHERE THEY KIND OF TEE UP AND TALK THROUGH THOSE ITEMS? NO, WE CAN'T.

NO, I, I IF I, I THINK JUST BASED ON THIS STAGE OF THE DOCUMENT, WE NEED VOTES TO OCCUR AND THEREFORE WE NEED THE PUBLIC INPUT FIRST.

SO WHERE ARE WE ON THE 21ST? IS THAT WAS I'M GOOD.

I'M GOOD.

AND THAT'S, WE'D BE STARTING AT NOON.

THE PUBLIC INPUT WOULD START THEN BASICALLY.

FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE.

SECOND EVENING COULD RIGHT, LIKE YOU JUST ME HERE, NOT, RIGHT.

ANOTHER QUESTION, I'M SORRY.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING TO THE 21ST, UM, IS THAT WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A DOCUMENT READY BY THE NEXT TPC? NO.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD BREAK THIS INTO TWO, FOUR HOUR CHUNKS? I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT AS AN EXAMPLE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS.

NO, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE, IF WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIALLY CALLED HEARING YEAH.

HE HAD TO ASK THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

IS IS ON THE 25TH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REPEAT OF TODAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HEAVY DOCKET, AND, AND THEN IN AUGUST IT'S GONNA BE WORSE.

'CAUSE WE JUST HELD EVERYTHING TODAY TO AUGUST.

UH, UH, I MEAN, I WILL SAY ON THE 20, I MEAN, YOU COULD DO IT ON THE 25TH, BUT THIS IS CONTINGENT ON, AND I'M SORRY IT'S LATE, SO I'M JUST GONNA BE, I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT.

YOU NEED TO COME PREPARED WITH YOUR MOTIONS.

AND WE CAN'T GET A DOCUMENT.

WE CAN'T GET SOMETHING AT THE 23RD HOUR.

'CAUSE IT'S JUST, IT WILL BE THIS, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S MANAGEABLE ON THE 25TH.

IF, AS COMMISSIONER CHERNOCK MENTIONED, EVERYONE IS LIKE, HAS READ THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT IF SOMEBODY FEELS LIKE THEY'VE GOT A BUNCH OF OTHER EDITS THAT THEY'RE GONNA SUBMIT, THEN IT'S NOT GONNA WORK ON A REGULAR CPC DAY.

SO CAN WE DO ON THE 29TH, WHAT WAS THAT? I HEAR MS. GILLI AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WOULD JUST OBSERVE THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE IN HERE THAT ARE SAYING, HOW IS THIS BEING DISCUSSED? THERE'S THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE LANGUAGE ATTACHED TO THEM.

SO CERTAINLY ANY OF US COULD TAKE A PASS AT DEFINING WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.

BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT IN HERE FOR THIS BODY TO CURRENTLY REVIEW BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT EITHER.

AND AGAIN, TOD ISN'T DIS DEFINED CONSISTENTLY.

SO IF THE MOTION IS SIMPLY DEFINED, TOD AS SUCH, AND THEN CONSISTENT IN THE DOCUMENT.

AGAIN, I, I DON'T WANNA OPEN UP A WHOLE ROUND OF DEBATE.

I JUST, THERE'S, THERE'S OPEN QUESTIONS EVEN IN WHAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IN THE SPREADSHEET.

I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT OBSERVATION.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

WELL, I WONDER, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS WE THINK WE NEED FOR THIS, BUT I THINK AFTER ABOUT THREE OR FOUR HOURS OF THIS, OUR EFFECTIVENESS DROPS OFF VERY RAPIDLY.

I MEAN, LOOK AT US NOW.

WE,

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LIKE MAYBE DO FOUR ON THE 25TH AND FOUR ON THAT SATURDAY, OUR SUNDAY, WHICHEVER ONE IT HAS TO BE, BUT TRY TO, BUT, BUT KNOW THAT WE GOTTA HAVE IT DONE IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU KNOW, JUST, AND DEAL WITH OUR COMMENTS AND ACCORDINGLY AND TRY TO MAKE IT ALL PROBABLY STAND TO REIGN IT IN A LITTLE BIT.

UM, WOULD THAT BE ANY BETTER OR IS IT, OR DO YOU THINK WE JUST GOTTA DO IT ALL IN ONE DAY? I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.

IT'D BE EASIER FOR ME IN TWO, FOUR HOUR CHUNKS, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OTHERS CAN'T DO THAT.

I THINK AS, UH, GILS, UH, AND COMMISSIONER TURNOCK HAS SAID IT REALLY JUST, IT, IT'S ALL A FUNCTION OF HOW PREPARED WE COME.

RIGHT? AND, UH, AND THEN MAYBE BE A LITTLE MORE CRISP ON OUR, OUR STATEMENTS.

UH, MAYBE WE CAN KNOCK IT OUT IN FOUR HOURS IF WE REALLY ALL COME PREPARED.

WELL, AND I JUST, JUST A REMINDER, EACH ONE OF THESE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY CONVERSATION.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE QUESTION AND ANSWER WITH THOSE WHO COMMENTED TOOK ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS.

SO, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT I JUST, WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.

SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE PUNTING TO THE 25TH I 21ST BECAUSE OF THAT.

BELIEVE THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE 21ST IS IT HAS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND BEFORE WE, WE DO OUR DISCUSSION.

BUT IT COULD BE THE 21ST.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE ANY DATE.

IT JUST ALWAYS HAS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THEN THE QUESTION ON 21ST IS, WILL WE HAVE A, WILL WE HAVE A A A QUORUM? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.

IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.

IT'S 10 DAYS OUT.

UM, I WILL MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT WE DO THE 21ST STARTING AT NOON.

I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE IT.

THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON THAT.

CAN WE JUST DO LIKE ONE O'CLOCK? SURE.

WELL, I WILL, I WILL.

FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ONE O'CLOCK.

LET EVERYONE RUN BY FOLKS ONLINE AFTER CHURCH.

ARE FOLKS ONLINE, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

COMMISSIONER, WERE YOU THERE? I'LL MAKE IT WORK.

IS THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? YES.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

UM, I, I I CAN MAKE ONE O'CLOCK WORK.

IT IS ASKING THE CITIZENS ON SUNDAY TO COME AT ONE O'CLOCK THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.

BUT I CAN MAKE IT WORK AND BE VIRTUAL.

WE CAN'T DO A SUNDAY.

WE WON'T HAVE SECURITY IN PEOPLE HERE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I JUST, ALL OF THE STUFF GOING ON.

WE'LL HAVE TO ASK THEM AND THEY'LL HAVE TO COME IN AND PAY TIME AND A HALF.

AND IT'LL BE ON A MONDAY BECAUSE, UH, HAVING THIS AT CPC, WE KNOW THAT WHEN THE CPC UH, DAY GOES A LONG TIME, WE GET KIND OF OUT OF IT.

THIS IS AN APPOINTMENT DOCTOR THAT WE KINDA NEED TO BE FRESH FOR IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT ON THE 25TH.

YOU GUYS, IT JUST HAS TO BE, UH, A WEEK OF BEING PREPARED.

THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED WITH YOUR, WITH THE CASES.

YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE CASES.

WE CAN'T WORK CASES AT THE HORSESHOE.

WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO READ THIS STUFF AHEAD OF TIME AND BE ABLE TO MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH OUR DOCKET.

NEIL, GET THAT.

I DON'T WANT YOU HOLDING THIS UP THAT DAY.

YOU GOT PEPPER SQUARE THAT DAY ON THE TOP.

OH GOD.

THESE ARE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE AMENDMENTS.

STRIKE COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, PLEASE.

I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

I WOULD SAY THIS, IF WE'RE DOING THE 25TH, TODAY'S THE 11TH, THE DROP DEAD TIMELINE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL EDITS.

CONSIDERATION LANGUAGE IS WEDNESDAY THE 17TH, WHICH GIVES A FULL WEEK BEFOREHAND.

AND WE HAVE PEPPER, UH, SQUARE TODAY.

THAT'S NO WAY WE GETTING LIKE 36 EMAILS A DAY.

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MAYBE NOT.

I, I'M, MY MIC WAS ALREADY ON.

SO ANDREA, ARE ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, WE, WE EITHER HAVE TO PICK FROM THE MENU THAT'S IN THIS RIGHT HERE ARE WE, IF, IF WE WANT ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THIS WORDING, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IT IN ADVANCE.

OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MATTER HOW BRILLIANT WE ARE.

IF WE CAN'T DO IT, IT'S TOO LATE.

YOU CAN ALWAYS, I'M NOT GONNA SAY YOU CAN'T DO IT.

WE, I MEAN THE BODY CAN DO, BUT I WILL SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MAY BE UPSET BECAUSE WE WILL BE DOING THIS OVER AGAIN.

SO WILL WE DO THAT FIRST THING ON THE 25TH AND, AND GET, GET IT, GET THAT FOUR HOURS OUT IN THE MORNING? 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A LONG DAY ANYWAY, RIGHT? WITH, WE CAN'T DO THE EVERY SQUARE.

WE CAN'T DO THAT'S THE BRIEFING.

IT HAS TO BE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING.

CAN'T WE MAKE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING AT NINE? BUT YOU HAVE CASES THAT HAVE, OKAY, YOU HAVE CUT, YOU HAVE, THERE'S CASES THAT HAVE TO BE HEARD.

THERE ARE THINGS ON THE, THE, UM, THE PLATS HAVE THAT THEY HAVE TO BE DONE.

YOU ARE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER DOCKET LIKE WE HAVE TODAY.

AND IF WE COME IN WITH LAST MINUTE CHANGES OR, OR, OR ADDITIONS, THEN WE ARE NOT GONNA GET THROUGH THIS AT ALL.

NOT AT ALL.

I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE ORDER OF THIS DOWN.

ARE ARE WE DO, ARE WE GONNA HAVE OUR REGULAR BRIEFING FIRST THING AND THEN TAKE THIS ON AT NOON OR APPARENTLY YES.

WE, UM, MR. MOORE HAS JUST LET ME KNOW THAT WE MIGHT BE ON SHAKY GROUND IF WE DO OUR HEARING IN THE MORNING.

AND SO, UH, BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS JUST BEGIN THE HEARING WITH THIS PIECE AND JUST GET ON THIS.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING CASES, WE GET TO THE ZONING CASES AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE PREPARED WITH THOSE AS WELL.

AND UM, SO WE START THIS AT NOON? YEAH.

AT 1230.

1230.

1230, RIGHT? YES.

SO, SORRY, WAS I CORRECT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOMEWORK RIGHT NOW IS YOU GO HOME, YOU HIGHLIGHT ISSUES HERE THAT YOU HAVE WITH IT, YOU SELECT THOSE AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WE DELIBERATE ON.

EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE PROVEN IN ONE MOTION.