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GOOD MORNING, DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
SHE'S GONNA COME IN A LITTLE LATE TODAY.
DISTRICT THREE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR.
UH, CHAIR SHADI PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN, DISTRICT EIGHT.
COMMISSIONER HAWK DISTRICT 13.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I'M HERE.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 25TH, 9:11 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING OF THE
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DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.UH, COMMISSIONERS, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE TODAY.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS, UH, FROM COMMISSIONERS TO STAFF.
WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE, THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE.
YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE, THE SPREADSHEET COPY.
ANDREA GILLIS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AS CHAIR SHADI MENTIONED, UM, WE JUST PASSED OUT TWO PACKETS OF SPREADSHEETS.
THEY'RE THE SAME SPREADSHEETS THAT WERE EMAILED OUT TO YOU EARLIER THIS WEEK.
UM, SO LARGELY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING TODAY FOR THE FORWARD DALLAS ITEM IS RUNNING THROUGH THESE SPREADSHEETS.
UM, WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO, UM, AND JUST TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE, AND FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE WATCHING, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS ORGANIZE THE SPREADSHEETS BASED ON THINGS THAT WE THINK THAT NEED TO BE.
WE, IT STILL IS PENDING CPC DIRECTION.
SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE PUT UP TO THE TOP OF THE LIST ON THE SPREADSHEETS, AND THEY'RE COLOR CODED, SORT OF WITH A YELLOWISH ORANGEISH BLOCK IN FRONT OF THEM.
SO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, AND AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HANDLE THIS IS THAT I'M GOING TO READ ABOUT A SERIES OF THEM ALL AT ONCE.
I'M GOING TO, THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE ALSO ORDERED.
SO I'M GONNA CALL OUT THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH IN THE AFTERNOON, AND I HAVE TO READ ALL OF THOSE INTO THE RECORD.
SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL ENJOY MY VOICE
UM, I'LL BE READING THOSE ALL INTO THE RECORD.
UM, AND THEN IF THERE'S, IF, IF COLLECTIVELY, SO WE'RE GONNA TREAT THEM LIKE, ALMOST LIKE CONSENT.
IF THOSE ITEMS THAT I READ INTO THE RECORD, THAT GROUPING OF 10, IF NOBODY HAS ISSUES, WE CAN MAKE, SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION ON THOSE 10 OR 20.
IF ANYONE HAS AN ISSUE WITH THOSE 20, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN PULL THEM OUT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THOSE.
BUT WE WANNA AT LEAST GET THROUGH THE ONES WHERE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY QUICK, QUICKLY WHERE NONE, NO ONE HAS ANY ISSUE WITH THEM.
THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH, AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW IN HERE THAT ARE JUST MINOR ISSUES, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BODY.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE SPREADSHEET OR ANYTHING SINCE YOU'VE HAD THIS PLAN THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, BEEN BURNING, YOU KNOW, AS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEEDED TO BRING UP, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN BRING THAT UP AS WELL.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON ARE THE TWO PACKETS.
THE, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS THE MAIN BODY OF THE DOCUMENT.
SO IT'S THE, THE SPREADSHEET THAT HAS YEAH, THE BIG ONE.
THAT'S THE MAIN BODY OF THE DOCUMENT.
CHAPTERS ONE THROUGH FOUR, INTRODUCTION THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX.
THE SMALLER SPREADSHEET IS THE GLOSSARY.
SO THAT WA THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GO THROUGH NE AFTER THAT.
THE OTHER APPENDICES ARE, WE WENT THROUGH, WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS LARGELY FROM, UM, THE WONDERFUL COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WHO COMBED THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS IN VERY GREAT DETAIL.
UM, AND PRI PROVIDED US A LOT OF GRAMMATICAL EDITS.
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THERE WASN'T SUB SUBSTANTIVE CONTENT EDITS IN THOSE.SO STAFF WILL MAKE THOSE EDITORIAL, THE EDIT CHANGES, THE GRAMMAR CHANGES, AND WE WILL JUST GET THOSE UP TO DATE.
WE ALSO SENT OUT LAST NIGHT, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS ON THE MAPS.
WE'LL GET THOSE PRINTED OUT TO YOU AS WELL FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS ON THOSE MAPS KEY IN EXACTLY ON THOSE AREAS IN THE MAPS AND THE TWO FROM, SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SORT OF TRY TO GO THROUGH AND SORT THROUGH AS TO WHAT AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I THINK THERE ARE ABOUT SIX IN THERE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CHUNK THROUGH THIS AND TRY TO BE AS METHODICAL AS POSSIBLE.
WHAT WE DID DO AS WELL IS ON THE STAFF RESPONSE, COMMENT OR STAFF RESPONSE COLUMN, WE PUT THE ACTUAL PROPOSED TEXT.
WE'RE NOT GUESSING OR WE'RE NOT SAYING, OH, STAFF JUST WORK THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, LET IT, YOU KNOW, TRUST US, THE ACTUAL TEXT IS THERE.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUE WITH THAT, YOU CAN BRING THAT UP TOO, IF WE NEED TO TWEAK ANYTHING AND ADJUST IT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE PLAN FOR THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, OR IF ANYONE HAS ANY ISSUES AT THIS POINT WHERE YOU THINK YOU WANNA BRING UP AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RE RESEARCH BEFORE THE AFTERNOON, PLEASE LET US KNOW THIS MORNING AS WELL.
AND COMMISSIONERS, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UH, UH, AS MS. GILES SAID, UH, FOR THE RECORD, WE DO HAVE TO READ EVERY SINGLE WORD THAT'S IN HERE TO GET IT INTO THE RECORD.
SO MS. GILLIS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS SHE'S GONNA READ 10 TO 15 OR 20 OF THESE ITEMS IN, AND LET'S SAY IT'S ONE THROUGH 20.
AND THEN WE'LL SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS OF ONE THROUGH 20.
ARE THERE ANY ONE OF THOSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE A WORD OR CHANGE OR MAYBE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, WITH THE CHANGE THAT WAS PROPOSED BY ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES? AND THEN WE'LL PULL THAT ONE OFF, THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THE REST IN, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL CONSIDER THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT FAIRLY, FAIRLY QUICKLY.
I KNOW I HAVE READ THIS 25 TIMES, AND PRACTICALLY YOU HAVE MEMORIZED THE WORDS THAT ARE IN HERE.
UH, FRANKLY, MOST OF THEM, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH, UH, THE CHANGES PROPOSAL TO MY COLLEAGUES.
UH, BUT THERE ARE A FEW THAT I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DISCUSS AND THAT'LL BE GREAT QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
MR. RUBIN? YEAH, JUST ONE QUESTION.
THERE ARE SOME WHERE STAFF SAYS THEY RECOMMEND NO CHANGE OR DON'T PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION.
HOW DO WE HANDLE THOSE? SO I TALK WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THOSE.
WHAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, WE WILL FIRST GO THROUGH THE ONES WHERE STAFF AGREES, STAFF HAS NO ISSUE, UM, THERE WAS NOTHING POINTED OUT AS POTENTIALLY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WE'LL GET THROUGH THOSE FIRST, THEN WE'LL GO BACK INTO THE ONES A CALL OUT, THE ONES WHERE EITHER STAFF RECOMMENDED NO CHANGE OR STAFF RECOMMENDED AN EDIT TO THE PROPOSED CHANGE.
SO THEN WE'LL TAKE THOSE AT THE END OF IT.
SO IT'LL ALMOST BE THREE GROUPINGS, ONE'S WHERE THERE'S NO ISSUE, ONE'S WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME ISSUE, UM, AND, AND READ THOSE INTO THE RECORDS.
AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND THEN GO ON TO ANYTHING ELSE.
DO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS? THE ONES, AND I WILL CALL OUT THOSE NUMBERS.
WE NEED THEM AHEAD OF TIME, BUT THAT YES, I THINK THERE'S 18 OF THEM.
I'LL, WE'LL GIVE THE, WELL, I'LL, I NEED TO GO BACK AFTER THIS BRIEFING AND GET ALL THE NUMBERS SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF WHAT EXACTLY NUMBERS WE'RE DEALING WITH.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT STAFF PUT INTO THIS.
IT'S VERY DETAILED AND EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO, UH, TO DISPOSE OF OUR WORK TODAY.
THANK YOU TO STAFF, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
WE'RE GOING TO DIVE RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET THEN.
UM, JUST IN TERMS OF, OF THE SCHEDULE TODAY, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT ITEM IS, IS GONNA BE MOVED TO, UH, THE VERY FIRST ITEM, UH, THAT WE WILL BEGIN AFTER WE TAKE A MI A VOTE ON THE MINUTES.
AND, UH, THE SPEAKERS DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE MADE THAT ADJUSTMENT, AND THEY'RE NOT ONLY OKAY WITH IT, BUT ARE VERY HAPPY THAT THEY WILL NOT BE HERE LATE AT NIGHT.
SO, UH, WE'LL TAKE THOSE SPEAKERS FIRST AND THEN MOVE INTO THE FORWARD DALLAS PIECE.
AND WE'RE READY FOR, FOR STAFF.
SO IT'S ITEM 23 THAT'S GONNA BE MOVED.
ITEM NUMBER 15 WILL BE, WILL BE BEFORE FOR DALLAS.
I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ITEM 15 WAS GONNA BE HELD TODAY.
BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE SPEAKERS.
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ARE FOLKS THAT IT, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THERE ARE FOLKS THAT WANNA SPEAK.SO WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO, JUST IN CASE THERE'S A QUESTION.
NO, WE'RE READY FOR STAFF FOR THE ZONING.
CASE NUMBER THREE HAS COME OFF.
CONSENT, UH, COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT IS THE ONLY ONE SO FAR THAT HAS COME OFF.
AND IT'S LOCATED IN P PD 360 3.
AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT WITH, FOR RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES WITHIN PD 360 3.
SUB AREA TWO, SUB AREA THREE, UH, JEFFREY MYERS PLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON THE NORTH AND WEST CORNERS OF MARYLAND STREET AND AL LIPSCOMB WAY.
IT'S ABOUT 38,000 SQUARE FEET.
I WILL, OR I'LL GET CLOSER OR SOMETHING.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO USES, SETBACKS, HEIGHT, FLOOR AREA RATIO, LOCK COVERAGE, PARKING AND DESIGN STANDARDS TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH RETAIL USES.
AS THEY EXIST TODAY, THEY'RE UNDEVELOPED.
AND TO THE NORTHWEST, THERE'S UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY TO THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S MEDICAL CLINIC TO THE SOUTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST.
THERE'S PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THERE'S A RESTAURANT TO THE NORTHWEST AS WELL.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY THAT SUB AREA TWO AS WELL AS SUB AREA THREE, UM, TWO SIDES OF ONE SIDE, TWO SIDES OF A STREET.
THEY'RE UNDEVELOPED, THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO STORIES.
COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD BE THAT OFFICE, RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE USE.
UH, THEY'RE REQUESTING PARKING REDUCTION AND SOME ADJUSTED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UH, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOOD AT IMPROVISING.
DO YOU MIND IF MAYBE WE TABLE THIS ONE FOR JUST A MOMENT TO ALLOW THE COMMISSIONER TO I, I, YES.
YEAH, I, I BELIEVE SHE MAY BE ON HER WAY AND WE MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD AND JUST COME BACK TO THAT WHEN SHE GETS HERE.
SO IF MR. KERR DOESN'T MIND MY APOLOGIES.
UM, APOLOGIZE FOR THE, UH, TIGER STRIPES.
ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN? YES, WE CAN.
IT'S A NEW SUP FOR, UH, 2,900 LIVE OAK STREET.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUP FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY, UH, FOR A 10 YEAR TIME PERIOD LOCATED ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF LIVE OAK STREET AND OAK STREET.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.715 ACRES.
THE SITE'S LOCATED IN PD 2 98, SUB AREA 10 TRACKED ONCE THE BRYAN AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT IS PREVIOUSLY USED AS MEADOWS FOUNDATION OFFICES, UH, AND CHILDCARE IS ALLOWED, UH, WITHIN THIS PD WITHIN SUP, AND IT IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 IS THE LOCATION AND THE AERIAL OF THE SITE.
AND, UH, THE SURROUNDING USES.
THERE IS, UH, SOME RETAIL ACROSS THE STREET, SOME OFFICES SURROUNDING, UH, DOG PARK TO THE, UH, SOUTHEAST, UM, AND THEN SOME PARKING, UH, TO THE NORTHEAST.
SO HERE, UM, ARE SOME SITE PHOTOS FRONT OF LIVE OAK AND OAK LOOKING TOWARDS DOWNTOWN.
AND THIS IS ON THE SITE, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT.
LOOKING TOWARDS THE, THE BUILDING.
THIS IS, UM, THE AREA THAT'S, UM, GONNA BE REPURPOSED AS A PLAYGROUND AREA.
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THEN HERE IS, UH, THE SITE PLAN AND LARGE SITE PLAN.UH, SO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, THEY ARE, UM, ASKING FOR, UM, A 10 YEAR TIME PERIOD, UH, WITH HOURS OF OPERATION BEING BETWEEN 6:00 AM AND 7:30 PM AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
HELLO, HOW WE DOING? THIS IS GOOD MORNING.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 180 6.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 9 78 DASH 15 AND Z 1 9 0 DASH 1 68 ON PROPERTY ZONED A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH FITZ U AVENUE AND HASKELL AVENUE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND, UH, THE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS AND ALLOW ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL U UH, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL USES, EXCUSE ME.
UH, APPROXIMATELY 34,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SIZE.
HERE'S OUR AERIAL MAP, AND THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THE SURROUNDING USES.
SO WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL AS, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
SO QUICK BACKGROUND ON THIS CASE.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED CS, UH, WITH DE RESTRICTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, VEHICLE OR ENGINE REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE ON THE SITE.
UM, AND OVERALL THE, UH, REQUEST IS JUST TO AMEND THE EX EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS TO ALLOW, UM, PERMITTED USES UNDER CS ZONE.
HERE'S OUR SITE SITE VISIT IMAGES.
THIS IS ON SOUTH FITZ HU AVENUE.
THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS HASKELL AVENUE.
THIS IS THE, UH, THEIR POSTED ZONING SIGN.
SO LOOKING TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING, UH, ACROSS THE STREET TO THE, UH, ADJACENT USES.
THIS IS LOOKING DOWN, UH, THIS IS ON FITZ HUE LOOKING WEST.
AND THEN WE HAVE IMAGES PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT TO SHOW THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, PART OF THEIR EXISTING D RESTRICTIONS WERE TO, UM, PROVIDE A SIX FOOT, UH, FENCE, BUT THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND.
THEY DID A SEVEN AND A HALF, UH, MASONRY WALL.
SO THESE IMAGES ARE JUST SHOWING THAT, AND AGAIN, THE EXISTING D RESTRICTIONS, UH, IS TO ALLOW, UH, MACHINE AND, UH, SORRY, MACHINERY AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT USE.
AGAIN, ANOTHER, UH, PART OF THE EXISTING D RESTRICTION IS TO MAINTAIN THAT, UH, SIX FOOT FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE D RESTRICTIONS.
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SO THEY ARE, UM, WANTING TO ADD, UH, THOSE USES PERMITTED IN THE CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT, UH, LIMITED TO THE MACHINERY HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR TRUCK SALES AND SERVICE USE.ADJUST THE OPERATING, UM, HOURS TO FROM 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM TO THE NEW HOURS OF 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM.
UM, THEY ARE LOOKING TO ADD A VEHICLE OR ENGINE REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE USE DURING THE SAME OPERATING HOURS, AS WELL AS A VEHICLE DISPLACED SALES AND SERVICE USE, UM, DURING THE SAME, UH, OPERATING NEW OPERATING HOURS.
AND THEN ANOTHER, UM, D RESTRICTION THAT WAS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT IS, UM, ANY EXHAUST OR VENTILATION EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, THE NEW, UH, VEHICLE OR ENGINE, OR SORRY, ENGINE REPAIR OR MAINTENANCE USE.
UM, TO BE STALLED MUST BE A MINIMUM OF 40 FEET FROM THE, UH, REAR OF THE PROPERTY TO HONOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HALL.
UM, WHEN YOU SAY HEAVY EQUIPMENT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? SO, MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT WAS, UH, THAT THE ORIGINAL USE FOR THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT WAS TO ALLOW THEM TO WORK ON, UM, LARGE TRUCKS, UM, I GUESS 18 WHEELERS.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO THAT, SO THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY'RE PROPOSING THE AMENDMENTS.
ANY, ANY OTHER EQUIPMENT LIKE GIANT BULLDOZERS OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT?
AND, UH, THIS REQUIRES A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY REVIEW? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.
OKAY, UH, THIS IS KZ 2 3 4 2 0 5.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 4 3 7 ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT 1D WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 1 4, THE WEST COMMERCE STREET FOR WORTH AVENUE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF POWELL STREET, BETWEEN HASLET STREET AND SULFUR STREET NORTH OF YORKTOWN ROAD, APPROXIMATELY 30,884 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
I DO WANT TO NOTE AS WELL, UH, THERE WAS A FAILURE TO UPDATE THIS SLIDE.
UH, THIS ALSO INCLUDES A, UH, REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SUBDISTRICT 1D WITHIN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UM, AS NOTED IN THE AGENDA, UH, LOCATED HERE IN WEST DALLAS, THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SITE.
HERE'S THE SURROUNDING ZONING.
IT IS EVERYTHING AROUND THERE IS PD SEVEN 14.
UH, THE SITE IS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING.
THERE'S SOME WAREHOUSES TO THE EAST, SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH, MULTIFAMILY TO THE WEST, ANOTHER OFFICE SHOWROOM AND WAREHOUSE TO THE, UH, SOUTHWEST.
UH, AND THEN ACROSS FROM YORKTOWN ROAD, I BELIEVE IS IR.
AND THERE'S A LARGE, UH, POSTAL SERVICE FACILITY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UH, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY DEVELOPED THAT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING USE, AND THAT USE REQUIRES AN SUP IN THE PD NUMBER 7 1 4 SUBDISTRICT 1D UH, SUP NUMBER 2 4 3 7 WAS PREVIOUSLY RENEWED ON FEBRUARY 23RD, 2022 FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS AMENDING THE SITE PLAN TO ADD 610, A 610 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE SITE.
HERE ARE THE SITE PHOTOS ARE ON SULFUR STREET LOOKING SOUTHWEST, AND THEN THE WEST OF PARKING ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF POWELL AND SULFUR.
THEN LOOKING SOUTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE AND EAST AWAY FROM THE SITE TO THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.
THEN ON POWELL AND HASLET LOOKING NORTHWEST, THEN SOUTHEAST AT THE SITE ON HASLET, LOOKING WEST, THEN LOOKING EAST BACK ON SULFUR, LOOKING WEST AT THE SITE OR THE, THE MAIN BUILDING THERE, LOOKING NORTH, THEN ON SULFUR IN YORKTOWN, LOOKING NORTH, THEN LOOKING SOUTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE.
UH, SO HERE'S THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
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TO SEE SOME OF IT, BUT, UH, WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IS, HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.UH, THEY'RE PUTTING A, BASICALLY JUST A LARGE COVER OVER WHAT I BELIEVE ARE THESE SILOS OR VATS OR SOMETHING THAT ARE USED FOR, I GUESS, THE FERMENTATION AND PRODUCTION OF BEER.
UH, SO IF WE SEE RIGHT HERE ON THE EXISTING SITE PLAN WHERE MY CURSOR IS RIGHT NOW, THAT IS AN UNCOVERED AREA.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA PUT A STRUCTURE OVER IT JUST TO COVER IT UP.
AND THEN JUST A MORE DETAILED THING HERE.
THIS SHOWS THE 832 SQUARE FOOT EDITION, UM, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING BREWERY AND TAP ROOM.
AND JUST A COMPARISON OF THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE PD CONDITION CHANGES.
SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THAT WE REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN SUBDISTRICT 1D AND THE ASSOCIATED REFERENCES TO THE SUBDISTRICT 1D DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND EXHIBIT SEVEN 14 K.
UH, THE REASON FOR THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
UH, SUBDISTRICT 1D ALL IT ENCOMPASSES IS THE AREA OF REQUEST, UH, HAVING A REQUIREMENT FOR BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN.
AND THE SEP IS, UH, SUPERFLUOUS.
IT'S THE BELT AND SUSPENDERS, AS WE CALL IT.
HAVING THE SEP ALREADY INHERENTLY REQUIRES THAT SOMEONE SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AND FOLLOW THAT SITE PLAN.
UH, THE APPLICANT IN THE PAST HAS RUN INTO SOME ISSUES AT PERMITTING WHERE THE SEP IS UPDATED OR THE SITE PLAN IS UPDATED, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN ISN'T UPDATED.
AND SO IN ORDER TO AVOID THOSE CONFLICTS IN THE FUTURE, UH, WE RECOMMEND, UH, REMOVING THOSE CONDITIONS WITHIN THE PD STAFF.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UM, MR. RED, I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY AN 832 SQUARE FOOT EDITION.
I BELIEVE YOUR REPORT SAID SEVEN 10.
SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A, A CHANGE SOMEWHERE, BUT IT STILL FALLS WITHIN THE 12,800 ALLOWED IN THE SUP.
SO THE, THE ADDITION IS 832 SQUARE FEET.
I APOLOGIZE IF THERE WAS AN INCORRECT NUMBER IN THERE.
UM, WHEN THE SUP WAS PREVIOUSLY UPDATED THE LAST TIME, UH, THEY DID ALLOW, THEY PUT IN A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXTRA WIGGLE ROOM THERE JUST IN CASE THERE'S SOME OVERRUNS.
SO ADDITIONALLY HERE, WE'VE PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA ROOM IN CASE THERE'S A BIT OF AN OVERRUN, BUT THE PLAN IS FOR AN 832 SQUARE FOOT EDITION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS WILL GO TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN.
MR. KURT, FOR THE RECORD, I SEE COMMISSIONER HAWK IS ONLINE.
YES, THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 2 0 6.
UM, IT'S FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PD 4 1 1, LOCATED AT 5 5 5 0 HARVEST HILL.
IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO PD 4 1 1, UH, TO REDUCE THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FROM 25 FEET TO 10 FEET.
THIS WILL ALLOW FOR A SMALL BUILDING EXPANSION, UH, TO EXISTING SMALL BUILDING ON THE, ON THE SITE.
UH, IT'S LOCATED AT THE, UM, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HARVEST HILL ROAD AND NOEL ROAD.
UM, SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH RETIREMENT HOUSING.
UM, THE, UM, THE INTENT IS TO, UH, REPL AND, UH, SELL A PORTION OF THE SITE, UH, WITH A HEALTHCARE FACILITY.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ON, UH, 9.089 ACRES, AND IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 13.
HERE IS THE LOCATION AND AN AERIAL.
SO THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE SITE WITH THE, THE BUILDING EXPANSION.
SO YOU CAN SEE SURROUNDING, UM, THERE'S, UH, SOME MULTIFAMILY, SOME TOWN HOMES TO THE SOUTH.
UH, SOME OFFICE USES TO THE, UH, THE WEST AND SOME PARKING TO THE NORTHWEST, AS WELL AS MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH.
HERE'S ON HARVEST HILL, LOOKING SOUTH ON HARVEST HILL, LOOKING EAST WEST, UM, LOOKING ON NOEL ROAD, LOOKING EAST.
AND, UH, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN GREEN.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, PROPOSED BUILDING, UM, EXPANSION.
SO THE EXISTING BUILDING IS CURRENTLY USED AS THE LAUNDRY FACILITY, UH, AND MAINTENANCE OFFICE FOR THE HEALTHCARE, UH, FACILITY.
PROPOSED USE IS TO, UM, CONTINUE THE LAU UH, LAUNDRY FACILITY IN THE, THAT BUILDING FOR THE HEALTHCARE FACILITY, AS WELL AS, UM, USE IT, UH, FOR THE KITCHEN, USES THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ARE, UM, ASKING TO REDUCE THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS FROM 25 FEET TO 10 FEET ON THE SITE.
AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AMENDED, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANNING CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HALL.
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THANK YOU, MR. KERR.I JUST, UH, WANTED TO CONFIRM A FEW THINGS.
THIS, UH, FACILITY ACTUALLY CONSISTS OF TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, UH, EMERSON AND TREMONT.
YES, BUT THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF SHARED AGREEMENT WHERE THERE'S A SINGLE KITCHEN SERVING BOTH FACILITIES.
AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO NOW IS, UH, SELL PAR SELL THE, UM, UH, MORE EXTENSIVE CARE FACILITY, AND THAT REQUIRES THEM TO ADD A KITCHEN SO THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.
AND SO THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST EXPANDING THAT LAUNDRY BUILDING TO ADD A KITCHEN, SO THERE WILL BE ONE TO SERVICE THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, ARE THERE ANY TREES THAT ARE GONNA COME DOWN? SO I WAS NOT, UH, I'M NOT AWARE.
THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT.
UH, I DID MY SITE VISIT RIGHT AFTER THE STORM, SO, UH, THERE WERE SOME ACCESS ISSUES, UH, TO THE, THE REAR OF THE SITE.
I, I TOURED THE PROPERTY, AND IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN.
IT'S JUST, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BEYOND THEIR, THEIR BOUNDARIES, SO IT WON'T IN, SHOULD NOT IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S STRICTLY ALL INTERNAL, UH, REMODELING OF A, A PARTICULAR SMALL BUILDING.
ANY OTHER COM UH, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, NEXT ITEM PLEASE.
SO, THIS IS CASE ZZ 2 34 2 0 9.
THAT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP UH, 1 9 5 9, LOCATED AT 1302 ELM STREET.
IT'S A RENEWAL OF SUP NUMBER, UH, 1959 FOR AN ATTACHED PROJECTING NON PREMISES DISTRICT ACTIVITY VIDEO BOARD.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ELM STREET IN NORTHFIELD STREET.
UH, THE VIDEO BOARD IS ATTACHED TO A PRINT PARKING GARAGE, UH, LOCATED AT 1302 ELM STREET.
IT'S LOCATED WITHIN PD SIX 19, SUBDISTRICT C UM, THE SEP WAS ESTABLISHED, UH, IN JUNE OF 2018, AND IT EXPIRES, UM, JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
THE LOCATION IS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
HERE IS THE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, UH, WITHIN A PARKING GARAGE.
THERE ARE OFFICE AND RETAIL AND PARKING JUST GENERAL DOWNTOWN USES SURROUNDING.
SO HERE IS, UH, ON ELM LOOKING SOUTHWEST.
HERE'S ON FIELD LOOKING SOUTHEAST.
AND, UH, THIS IS ACROSS FIELD FIELD.
LOOKING AT THE, UH, VIDEO BOARD SIGN, UM, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN FOR IT AND, UH, SITE AND ENLARGED SITE PLAN.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID REQUEST, UH, UH, A TIME LIMIT TO NOT EXPIRE, UM, WITH THE SUP AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS A, FOR A SIX YEAR TIME PERIOD, UM, UH, WITH A, UH, UH, FOR A SIX YEAR TIME PERIOD OF THIS SUP AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A SIX YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO, UH, AMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MR. CARR.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE LOGIC OF THE SIX YEAR RENEWAL PERIOD.
BECAUSE, UH, FROM READING THE REPORT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE REASON FOR THE SIX YEARS WAS THAT STAFF FELT THAT, UM, THE SIGN SHOULD BE EVALUATED PERIODICALLY FROM A TRAFFIC SAFETY STANDPOINT.
BUT THE REPORT SEEMS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE WAS NO CURRENT TRAFFIC STUDY SUBMITTED.
AND, UM, IF, IF STAFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITHOUT CURRENT, UM, SAFETY ACCIDENT, UH, DATA, AS IT SAYS, EVALUATION OF THE SIGNED CONTENT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CAUSING DISTRACTIONS, UM, I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR AS TO WHY IT'S A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL IF, IF PART OF THE REASON FOR THE SIX YEAR RENEWALS ON THE SUP WAS PREDICATED ON GETTING CURRENT, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY INFORMATION.
AND THIS, UM, APPLICATION DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT.
UM, I BELIEVE MR. NAVAREZ IS, UH, ONLINE WITH US THIS MORNING, UH, TO SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, I BELIEVE HE HAD CONCLUDED THAT, UM, A TRAFFIC STUDY WASN'T WARRANTED FOR THIS RENEWAL.
UM, BUT I'LL LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT IN GREATER DETAIL.
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GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.I WAS IN A MEETING DOWNSTAIRS.
I'M WALKING BACK TO THE HORSESHOE.
UM, I, I, I AGREE THAT THE REASON WHY COMMISSION, UM, REQUESTED A RECURRING UPDATE OF THE SUP WAS FOR STAFF TO EVALUATE THE OPERATIONS OF THE SIGNAL.
WE DID RECEIVE A COPY OF THE REPORTS IN 2018, AND WE REQUESTED A, A REVISED COPY.
WE DID NOT REVIEW OR RECEIVE A, A, UM, NEW COPY.
WE, WE INFORMED OUR COLLEAGUES THAT WE WOULD NEED A REPORT, UH, A STUDY TO ANALYZE THE OPERATIONS OF THE SUP.
AND WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT BE CONSIDERED IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE RENEWAL.
SO, DAVID, UH, WERE YOU SAYING THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SUBMITTED WITH THE PREVIOUS SUP RENEWAL IS SUFFICIENT FOR THIS RENEWAL? GOOD MORNING.
UH, DAVID NEVAREZ TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE, WE DID RECOMMEND THAT THE CASE CONSIDERED A, AN EVALUATION OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THE REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US IN 2018 WAS CONTEMPLATING A PROPOSED SIGN.
THE REASON WHY THE SUP HAD AN EXPIRATION WAS FOR US TO EVALUATE THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS OF IT.
UM, AS SIMPLE AS LOOKING AT THE SIGN, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S NOT OVERLAPPING WITH ANY OTHER SIGNS OR, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND ANY TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN OCCURRED DURING THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOW UP.
WELL, UM, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE, THE INFORMATION THAT THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT THINKS IS NECESSARY TO EVALUATE THE ONGOING SAFETY OF THESE SIGNS WAS NOT RECEIVED.
THIS, UH, I, UH, MAY HAVE MISSED, UH, MR. NAVAREZ, UH, EMAIL, UH, ASKING, REQUESTING THAT.
SO THIS, THIS, UH, UH, WOULD BE AN INTERNAL, UH, ISSUE ON MY PART.
UH, SO THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF, UH, CASE FOUR OR FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN AT THIS POINT.
UH, CASE NUMBER NINE WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO, UM, 8 2 8 2 AUGUST 8TH, EIGHT AUGUST 2ND.
MR. PIPPI, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND SINCE, UH, SWING BACK TO THE FIRST ONE.
WE'RE GONNA REALLY MAKE YOU IMPROVISE TODAY.
LEMME SEE WHAT I'VE GOT, UNLESS THAT ONE IS PULLED UP.
WE CAN DO WHICHEVER ONE YOU HAVE READY TO GO, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND PICK UP THE ONE IN, UH, DD SEVEN.
THIS IS THE DISTRICT SEVEN ONE.
THIS IS GONNA BE Z 2 2 3 3 0 7, AND IT'S LOCATED IN PD 3 6 3.
AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA TWO,
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SUB AREA THREE WITHIN PD 360 3, JEFFREY MEYERS PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON THE NORTH AND WEST CORNERS OF MERLIN STREET AND AL LIPSCOMB.AND THIS IS TO ALLOW PRIMARILY TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, INCLU, INCLUDING A VARIATIONS OF USES, SETBACKS, HEIGHT, FLOOR AREA RATIO, LOT COVERAGE, PARKING AND DESIGN STANDARDS DEVELOP AT THE SITE WITH RETAIL USES.
THESE ARE THE TWO SITES AS EXIST TODAY.
AND THERE'S MEDICAL CLINIC TO THE NORTHEAST.
THERE'S A PUBLIC SCHOOL OF THE SOUTHEAST PUBLIC SCHOOL OF THE SOUTHWEST RESTAURANT TO THE NORTHWEST, AND THEN TO THE NORTH, THERE'S UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY IN PD 360 3, PROPOSING THAT TWO STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE ON THE TWO SITES REQUESTING PARKING VARIATIONS AND ADJUSTED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE SITE QUICKLY IF I CAN.
THIS IS THE NORTH PROPERTY, AND THIS IS THE NORTH PROPERTY FROM LIPSCOMB.
LOOKING BACK AT THE, UH, SOUTH, SOUTH, SOUTH PROPERTY, PUBLIC SCHOOL IS BEHIND IT.
AND THEN LOOKING NORTH AT THE, UH, PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THAT'S UNDEVELOPED DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, OR EXCUSE ME, THE RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE THROUGH, UH, BEHIND THE SOUTHERN SIDE PARKING AREA FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE FRONT OF THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY.
AND BOTH THESE PROPERTIES WOULD END UP HAVING THE SAME ZONING, SAME USES AND, AND STANDARDS, BUT THE STANDARDS SHOULD FIT FOR EACH BLOCK.
HERE'S THE PUBLIC SCHOOL CROSS AL LIP SCUM, AND THEN THAT'S THE MEDICAL CLINIC THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
LOOKING FURTHER UP, LIPS SCUM AT THE MULTIFAMILY.
SO BIG PART OF REVIEW FOR THIS WAS THE EXISTING, UH, MLK STATION PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS A WALKABLE MAIN STREET.
AL LIPKIN BEING A MAIN STREET.
AND THE PARCELS ADJACENT TO IT BEING A, A, A LAND USE TYPE THAT FITS THAT.
UH, GENERALLY THESE ARE THE GOALS OF THAT PLACE TYPE OR THAT, UH, LAND USE TYPE, MAKE IT WALKABLE, HAVE A GOOD CORRIDOR ALONG, ELLIPS COME AND TRY TO CRAFT ZONING THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT REFLECTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND SO THAT INCLUDES SIDEWALKS, SIX FOOT WITH FIVE FOOT BUFFER VERTICAL BUFFERS, UH, WHEN PARKING IS NEAR SIDEWALKS.
TRANSPARENCY IN LINE WITH THE WALKABLE MIXED USE DISTRICT, UH, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING, UH, ENTRIES SPACED EVENLY THROUGHOUT, UH, THE, ON THE PUBLIC STREETS, UH, PARKING HAS TO BE SET BACK.
THEY DON'T PROPOSE PARKING, STRUCTURED PARKING, BUT FOR GOOD MEASURE, IT'S, UH, REQUIRED TO BE BUFFERED OR SCREENED IF THEY WERE TO HAVE IT.
UH, THEY HAVE ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPING.
UH, THE ONE CHANGE SINCE THE DOCKET IS THE REQUESTED TO ADD A LIVE WORK UNIT.
UH, THIS IS A SIMILAR DEFINITION TO LIVE WORK UNIT AS PD 5 95.
UH, BUT IT BASICALLY ALLOW THEM TO DO LIVE WORK UNITS IN THE, IN THIS, IN THESE, UH, COMMERCIAL SITES SHOULD THEY SO CHOOSE.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER,
UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR PD, THE RESTAURANT, UM, TAKEOUT ONLY SO AND SO, IS IT IN THIS PD THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT SAME REQUIREMENTS AS WHAT WE'RE FACING IN THE PD 5 95 IS KIND OF, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE THE SAME BURDENS AS THAT.
UH, DUE TO HOW PARKING WORKS, UH, IN THIS PD SHOULD ACTUALLY BE INTERCHANGEABLE FOR RESTAURANT VERSUS K, OUR RESTAURANT VERSUS OBSIDIAN RESTAURANT, UM, OR VERSUS A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.
'CAUSE FOOD AND BEVERAGE STORE IS NOT A USE IN THIS PD THAT'S UNIQUE TO PD 5, 9 5.
UH, BUT RESTAURANT IS A PERMITTED USE AND GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE IS PER, IS PERMITTED USE.
SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE, UTILIZE THOSE, UM, COMMERCIALLY.
SO IS THERE NO PARKING REQUIREMENT IN THIS? NO.
SO IN THIS PARTICULAR PD, THERE'S NOT A PARKING REQUIREMENT? YES.
SO NOT CREATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE WOULD BE NONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS? OKAY.
WE'LL SWING BACK, UH, TO CASE NUMBER, UH, 10.
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OKAY.AND THIS IS LOCATED ABOUT AS FAR SOUTHWEST IN CITY AS YOU CAN GET WITHOUT BEING IN THE WATER.
AND THE APP, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR SC SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT USES AND RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN PD, UH, NUMBER 1 0 1 IN NORTHWEST LINE OF WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD BETWEEN BELTLINE ROAD AND MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY.
IT'S ABOUT 15 AND A HALF ACRES.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO USES DENSITY, FLOOR HEIGHT, FLOOR AREA RATIO, LOT COVERAGE, PARKING MIX INCOME, HOUSING AND DESIGN STANDARDS TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND THESE ARE THE LOTS THAT ARE IN, ARE INCLUDED IN THE ZONING.
THEY'RE ALL JUST KIND OF THE BASE PD 1 0 1 EXISTING ZONING, WHICH FUNCTIONS AS SOMETHING OF A LIGHT COMMERCIAL OR A COMMERCIAL ZONING AT THIS TIME, SIMILAR TO THE SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT FROM THE OLD CODE, THE OLD, OLD CODE.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OUTSIDE SALVAGE RECLAMATION SITES NEARBY.
THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF UNDEVELOPED LOTS IN THE NORTHWEST.
UH, THERE ARE UNDEVELOPED LOTS TO THE NORTHEAST.
UH, THERE'S A PROPERTY UNDEVELOPED OR UNDERDEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION ACROSS CAMP WISDOM.
THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY ALONG, UH, WHATEVER THE FM NUMBER IS TO THE SOUTHWEST.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY THAT PD 1 0 1.
LONG STORY SHORT, UH, IT'S A CHAPTER 51 PD CREATED BACK IN 78, UH, MODIFIED SIGNIFICANTLY IN 98.
UH, BUT IT HAS SIMILAR USES TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, WHICH WAS A, KIND OF BECAME, UH, I THINK IT WAS CR LATER ON.
UH, BUT IT WAS A, UH, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UH, BUT THE PD SPECIFICALLY TOOK OUT MULTIFAMILY BACK THEN AND REDUCED THE FLUOR AREA RATIO.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY REAL CHANGES TO SHOPPING CENTER BACK, BACK IN THE PD.
UH, IT IS UNDEVELOPED ALL OF THESE PARCELS, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THE USE OF MULTIFAMILY FOR THE SUB-DISTRICT.
UH, IN ORDER TO BUILD THAT FLORIA RATIO, UH, THEY REQUEST AN INCREASE FROM 0.15, 0.25 FAR, UH, PRO PROVIDED THEY PROVIDE 5% MIH IN THE, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS OF FOUR POINT 1107, UH, AS ANY MIH PROJECT.
AND SO, AS WE GET DOWN TO THE SITE, HERE IT IS FROM CAMP WISDOM, I THINK I'M GONNA GO SOUTHWEST OR WEST ON CAMP WISDOM.
KEEP GOING WEST, KEEP MOVING DOWN TOWARDS THE FM.
UH, THERE'S A CREEK OUTPUT, THE SOUTH SOUTHMOST PART OF THE SITE, AND THAT'S AS BEST AS YOU CAN SEE FROM FM 1382.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TURN BACK THE OTHER SIDE.
THERE'S A ROAD CALLED TURNOUT NORTH APPROACH OF THE SITE.
TURN THE CORNER AROUND ON MESQUITE.
LET'S LOOK DOWN MESQUITE LOOKING SOUTH INTO THE SITE, LOOKING SOUTH, AND REACHING THE END OF THE PROPERTY NEAR THE END OF MESQUITE.
UH, THEN BACK ON THE FM LOOKING SOUTH, LOOK BACK ON CAMP WISDOM, THE SUBDIVISION ACROSS CAMP WISDOM, UM, PROPERTIES ACROSS TURNOUT.
LOOKING UP TURNOUT AT THE INTERSECTION OF MESQUITE.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE RECLAMATION YARDS.
THERE'S A HOME OR TWO, THERE ARE HOMES BACK, UH, FARTHER INTO THE PD.
AND HERE'S A PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN OF THE SITE.
UM, SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALLOW MULTIFAMILY, UH, BUT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARD PROPOSED.
AND SO AS PER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SIMILAR TO MF ONE, UH, PRETTY LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, UH, LIMITED 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, LIMITED IN FLOOR AREA RATIO.
SO YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDINGS WOULD BE PRETTY LIMITED.
UH, YOUR HEIGHT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN WHAT'S PERMITTED ON THE SITE TODAY.
30 FOOT FOR THOSE RESIDENTIAL USES IN THIS TRACT.
UH, LOT COVERAGE REMAINS THE SAME.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOUR POINT 1107.
AND THESE ARE THE SAME AS A ALWAYS ARE, BUT I HAVE THEM HERE FOR REFERENCE.
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RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.UM, IT'S ACTUALLY APPROVAL AS CONDITIONS, AS BRIEFED OR AS CIRCULATED.
UH, I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO PUT THOSE CONDITIONS ADHERE, BUT WE DID, UH, AT THE SUGGESTION, I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMISSIONER REMOVE, UM, A HANDFUL OF COMMERCIAL USES FROM THE ZONING.
UH, I CAN FIND THE, THE USE OF THOSE, BUT THEY, OR EXCUSE ME, THE LIST OF THOSE, BUT THEY WERE DISTRIBUTED.
UH, BUT BASICALLY IT REMOVED SOME COMMERCIAL USES FROM THE, OR MANY OF THE COMMERCIAL USES FROM THIS SITE, THIS TRACT, UH, THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
UH, BUT IT, IT TAKES OUT A LOT OF THOSE USES THAT WOULD BE, COULD BE ALLOWED ON SITE, UH, LEAVES MOSTLY THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AND SOME VERY LIGHT COMMERCIAL USES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THOSE, UH, CONDITIONS.
UM, MR. PEPE, I DIDN'T HEAR MENTION OF IT, BUT IS THIS NEAR OR ON A FLOOD PLAIN? THIS ONE, IT IS NEAR FLOODPLAIN.
I THINK SOME PORTIONS OF THE SITE MAY HAVE IT, SO THEY WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE TO BUILD AROUND IT OR, UM, MAKE IT SAFE, BUT THEY, THEY CAN'T BUILD STRAIGHT THROUGH THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO THERE IS A PORTION OF THE SITE, ESPECIALLY THE SOUTHWEST, UH, THAT HAS SOME.
AND ALSO I SAW THERE WAS, UM, YOU SHOWED A PICTURE OF A WATERWAY OR A GATE WHERE WATER COMES OUT.
UM, WILL THIS SITE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ENGINEERING SERVICES TO, UM, ONCE THE ZONING IS DONE? IT WOULD, IT WOULD, WOULD.
YOU SOLD SOME EMPTY PROPERTIES ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE, THE AREA, UM, THAT ARE EMPTY OR UNDER UNDERDEVELOPED.
UM, THOSE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY ZONED? UH, SO WITHIN THIS PD, SORT OF THE NORTHEAST AND THE NORTH, YES.
THEY'LL REMAIN IN PD 1 0 1, UM, UNDER THIS.
SO EVERYTHING YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS PD 1 0 1, WHICH, LIKE I SAID, IS SIMILAR TO A SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT, UH, HAS THOSE COMMERCIAL USES IN IT.
BUT THOSE WILL, THOSE WILL REMAIN, UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT REQUEST TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS ZONING.
UM, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE CASES, DO WE LOOK AT OTHER ZONING CASES THAT ARE COMING TO THE AREA? UM, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS ONE ON ITS OWN, AND WE CAN'T, WE STAFF CAN'T SPECULATE ABOUT, UM, FUTURE ZONING CASES.
I MEAN, WE, WE CAN RECOMMEND, WE CAN RECOMMEND INFORMALLY THAT THINGS BE LOOKED AT, BUT WE, WE CAN'T SPECULATE IF OTHER THINGS ARE, ARE COMING DOWN THE ROAD.
SO ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE TWO MULTIFAMILY COMING AT THOSE TWO SITES ON THAT CORNER? UH, I DID KNOW THAT THE PARCEL TO THE EAST IS ENTITLED AS SUCH AND IS UNDER UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THERE ARE TWO ROADS IN THIS PROPERTY THAT NEED TO BE ABANDONED, OR DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS AROUND THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THESE WERE PLOTTED INTO, THESE WERE PLOTTED INTO WHAT LOOKS LIKE SUBDIVISION LOTS, RIGHT? BUT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PORTION DID NOT GET, THIS PORTION DIDN'T TRULY GET BUILT UP SIGNIFICANTLY AT ANY POINT.
BUT THEY LEFT THE ROADS THERE AS IT WERE, YOU KNOW, NOT ROADS RIGHT AWAY.
THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO ROADS THERE, THEY'RE RIGHT AWAY.
THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH ABANDONMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS DOESN'T INVOLVE AN ABANDONMENT, BUT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND SO THERE IS, UH, THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT THAT HAS TO OCCUR, ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, ENGINEERING GOING ON.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY I UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE SOUTH PART ALSO INCLUDES A DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS WELL.
SO THEY WILL LIKELY HAVE TO EITHER MAINTAIN THAT, UH, AS THEY UNDERGO ABANDONMENT OR, UH, MODIFY IT.
SO AFTER ZONING, THIS CASE HAS A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE BY STAFFING.
I MEAN, LOOK AT ALL THOSE LOTS.
IT TAKES A WHILE TO, TO READ REPL, ALL OF THAT FOR SURE.
WELL, THIS, THIS SITE HAS A VERY INTERESTING HISTORY AND I HOPE YOU GET A CHANCE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT.
UH, MR. PEPE, I WATCHED YOUR VIDEO.
I WAS VERY INTERESTING, SUPER INTERESTING VIDEO.
I SAW COMMISSIONER HALL AND I SAW COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
MR. PEPE, WOULD YOU GO BACK, UH, TO SHOW US THAT ENLARGED OVER AERIAL OVERVIEW? UH OH, OKAY.
UH, WHAT ARE ALL THOSE WHITE THINGS? WELL, THOSE, OH, THOSE ARE NUMBERS DESIGNATING THE LOT.
OH, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ADDRESSES.
THOSE ARE NON-EXISTENT ADDRESSES.
THOSE ARE, UH, ZEROES AS FAR AS
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THE CITY IS CONCERNED FOR ADDRESSES.BUT THE COUNTY WILL PROBABLY, OR THE, THE TAXING AGENCY ASSIGNS ADDRESSES NONETHELESS, BUT WE HAVE THEM IN A ZERO.
SO YEAH, THEY, THEY LOOK SO ORGANIZED.
I THOUGHT MAYBE THIS HAD BEEN A PECAN, UH, FARM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT ARTICLE X AND GETTING RID OF TREES, BUT NO, I UNDERSTAND NOW.
THEY'LL HAVE TO DO, UH, TREE IN THIS PORTION.
THEY'LL HAVE TO DO TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 10.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, DO WE KNOW IF A TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN DONE BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO BUILD? I'LL SEE IF, IF DAVID'S HANDY, HE CAN SPEAK FURTHER.
BUT I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF THE, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY LOW DENSITY.
THE UNIT COUNT IS, IS FAIRLY LOW.
UH, THEY DIDN'T NECESSITATE ONE, BUT BASED ON THE TRAFFIC THAT IS ALREADY THERE AND ANY DENSITY THAT COULD COME WOULD BE OVERSATURATING THE AREA.
UM, AND I DO THINK, DAVID, I DO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR DAVID.
UM, BUT FOR, AND, AND UNTIL HE COMES, OH NO, HE'S HERE.
UM, BUT ALSO I'VE BEEN ALL BACK OFF IN THERE.
UM, IT'S A INTERESTING LOCATION.
UM, AND IT DOES PRESENT ITSELF WHAT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES, UM, TO, HAS ANY TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY BEEN DONE TO SEE IF THE MITIGATION OF SOME OF THE WRECK WRECKING YARDS, DUMPING STATIONS? UM, I BELIEVE THERE USED TO BE A PIG FARM BACK THERE.
UM, I USED TO LIVE AROUND THE CORNER FROM THERE.
SO I'VE TRAVELED THE ROAD MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
AND, UM, TO BRING RESIDENTIAL USES BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN, I I NEED, HAS ANY TYPE OF STUDY, BEEN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY BEEN DONE? ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY IS NOT GONNA BE PART OF, OF THIS PROCESS.
APPLICANTS SPEAK MORE IF THEY'VE DONE ANYTHING PRIVATELY.
UH, BUT BEYOND THAT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE PART OF THIS PROCESS.
DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? I HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GET TO YOU IN JUST A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, UH, MR. GOOD MORNING.
AGAIN, UM, BASED ON THE TRAFFIC THAT, THAT THIS LOCATION PRESENTS, I HAVE, I HAVEN'T, I WAS, HAS A, HAS ARAF NUMBER ONE, HAS A TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN DONE? AS A MATTER OF FACT, MA'AM, UM, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, DAVID, IN VIRUS TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE, WE DID INCLUDE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS A THEORETICAL HYPOTHETICAL BACKGROUND PROJECT IN THE EVALUATION OF A PROJECT JUST ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, THE COMMISSION HEARD AND APPROVED A PREVIOUS CASE ACROSS THE STREET JUST SOUTH AT THE CORNER OF CAMP WISDOM AND MOUNTAIN CREEK.
AND AS PART OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY, WE REQUESTED THAT, THAT THE PROPOSED, UM, DEVELOPMENT AT THIS, AT, AT THIS LOCATION BEING INCLUDED AS BACKGROUND, WHAT THE STUDY DID NOT INCLUDE WAS THEIR ACCESS FROM CAMP BOY.
UH, BUT THAT HAS BEEN ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH A PREVIOUS DEVELOPER IN A PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT FOR CAMP WISDOM.
SO PUBLIC WORKS HAD ACTUALLY ALREADY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UH, THE LEFT TURN LANE AT X-RAY LANE, I THINK IT WAS CALLED IN.
THE, THE TRAFFIC FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT HAD BEEN, HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
UM, AND I KNOW THIS, THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, TWO OF THEM ARE, ARE DALLAS, TWO OF THEM ARE GRAND PRAIRIE.
AND, AND I KNOW THAT IT, IT'S DIFFICULT AT BEST TO TRY TO DO, UM, ANY TYPE
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OF TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN WITHOUT THE, WITHOUT THE, THE NEIGHBORING CITY MUNICIPALITY.UM, BUT HAS, KNOWING THAT, I STILL NEED TO ASK, HAS ANY CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN TO A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THIS LOCATION TO HELP, UM, THE TRANS TO HELP THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC? BECAUSE BELTLINE IS A EXTREMELY, UM, BUSY, UH, FREEWAY.
UM, AND IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE TDOT, BUT IT'S NOT.
AND CAMP WISDOM, AS YOU'RE COMING OFF THE HILL AT CAMP WISDOM, THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP AND PEOPLE WILL GO INTO THE MOUNTAIN CREEK RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO BELTLINE TO, TO NOT HAVE TO SIT THERE FOR 10 MINUTES.
UM, SO HAS ANY CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN AS TO, AS, UH, UH, I'M, I'M TRYING TO TALK WHILE YOU LOOK
CAN, CAN YOU, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION IS ABOUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
WHERE? RIGHT THERE ON, ON, ON, UH, BELT LINE AND CAMP WEST CAMP.
WISH THERE, THERE IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
IT'S A SPAN WIRE AND NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, IF I MAY SAY THAT.
UM, SO, BUT THERE IS A, THERE IS AN EXISTING SPAN WIRE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE THAT IT JUST OLD SCHOOL HANGING FROM A WIRE.
SO THEN IT MAY BE A, JUST A NEED.
IT, IT'S NOT FULLY OUT, IT'S NOT FULLY, IT DOESN'T HAVE DETECTION.
IT DOESN'T, UM, AS TO A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE, AND ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY.
I'M NOT AWARE, BUT I CAN, I CAN FIND OUT BEFORE THE HEARING IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR STAFF AT THE HEARING.
'CAUSE IT'S, THE TRAFFIC IS STILL HORRIBLE.
UM, I CONFIRMED THAT THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND, UM, AND, AND IF, IF AS FAR AS THE IMPROVEMENTS, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK, UM, EITHER MUNICIPALITY AND HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU DURING THE HEARING.
UH, ON YOUR, UH, MAP THERE, THE AREA THAT'S NORTH OF, UH, THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, MESQUITE, UH, LANE, I BELIEVE YOU INDICATED THAT THIS, UH, IS ZONED COMMERCIAL AS PART OF THE PD.
THE UNDERLYING ZONING IS COMMERCIAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THAT'S IT, YES.
PD 1 0 1 FOR THE MOST PART DEFAULTS TO THE OLD SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
IS IT, IS IT NOT THE CASE THAT THERE ARE 137 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THAT AREA? THERE ARE, MOST OF THESE LOTS IN THE PD ARE NOT SINGLE FAMILY.
THERE ARE NOT BUILT UP WITH SINGLE FAMILY.
BUT IS IT NOT THE CASE THAT THERE ARE 137 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THAT, IN THAT AREA? IN THE PD 1 0 1? IN THIS PD 1 0 1 THAT'S NORTH OF MESQUITE LANE? NO, THERE ARE, THERE ARE NOT.
IT'S PRIMARILY, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BUILT OUT RIGHT NOW.
UM, MOST OF THE LOTS ARE UNDEVELOPED.
THERE ARE SOME, SO I MEAN, I DIDN'T, I HAD DROVE THROUGH MY, PER PERSONALLY THE, UH, EACH OF THESE STREETS OF THE, UH, SUBDIVISION IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND I DID SEE, LET'S SAY THERE'S AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR, UH, BUT MOST OF THESE LOTS ARE UNDEVELOPED AND THE REST ARE KIND OF USED FOR AUTO USES IN THIS PD.
UH, I SEE DARRELL HAS A COMMENT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE 137 LOTS, UM, IN THAT AREA THAT AREN'T DEVELOPED? YEAH.
I DIDN'T COUNT, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL SMALL LOTS.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THIS LOT, THESE LOTS WERE PLOTTED FOR SUBDIVISION THE WAY THEY WERE? OH, I AM NOT SURE.
IT'S PRIOR TO, THEY WERE PRIOR TO THE PD 1 0 1 ZONING.
UM, UH, THERE, THERE'S QUITE A HISTORY HERE.
UM, THIS, THIS WAS A TOWN, UM, IN QUESTION FORM.
WERE YOU AWARE THAT THIS WAS ONCE A RESIDENTIAL TOWN CALLED MESQUITE HEIGHTS? YES.
SO IN, IN THE AREAS TO THE EAST, UH, OF, OF THIS, UH, LOCATION,
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THESE AREAS ARE ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL.IS THAT CORRECT? THE, THE UNDEVELOPED AREAS TO THE EAST CATTYCORNER, YOU SEE A BIG, YOU SEE A BIG PARCEL HERE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIFAMILY, RIGHT? UH, IT'S KIND OF IN THE SOUTH, THE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIFAMILY WAS A PREVIOUS CASE HERE.
SO IT IS UNDER DEVELOPMENT FOR MULTIFAMILY RIGHT NOW.
SO THERE'S ABOUT WHAT, 590 HOMES BEING OR APARTMENT UNITS BEING ADDED.
I DIDN'T CHECK THE DENSITY OR UNIT COUNT ON THAT ONE.
I CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU THOUGH.
AND, UH, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THIS IS NOT A FLOODPLAIN OR ONLY PART OF IT IS A FLOODPLAIN.
THE, THERE'S A BIT OF FLOOD PLAIN IN THE SOUTHWEST OF THIS PARCEL.
'CAUSE THERE'S A CREEK RUNNING THROUGH IT.
AND I'M TOLD THIS IS A 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE RENTERS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE TO BUY MORE EXPENSIVE, UH, UH, UH, UH, INSURANCE FROM THE FARMER'S LAND BUREAU.
THE PORTIONS OF THE SITE THAT DO HAVE FLOODPLAIN.
AND FRANKLY, THE WHOLE THING WILL, WHEN THEY GO THROUGH ENGINEERING, REPLANTING WILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
THEY'LL HAVE TO ENGINEER OUT OF IT.
THEY'LL HAVE TO IMPROVE THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND, AND COULD YOU ALSO, UH, TELL THE COMMISSION, UH, W WHAT THE, THE DEVELOPER IS PLANNING TO BUILD HERE ON THIS PROPERTY? MULTIFAMILY? IS IT MULTIFAMILY OR, OR IS IT, UH, INDIVIDUAL, UH, RESIDENCES.
SO IN OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, IN INFORMALLY THEY HAVE PROPOSED WHAT IS IN THE CODE MULTIFAMILY, IT'S MULTIPLE HOMES ON ONE LOT, BUT THEY ARE, UH, A BUNCH OF SMALL STRUCTURES THAT ARE DETACHED FROM EACH OTHER, BUT FROM A CODE STANDPOINT.
SO IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT, IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
AND THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT WITH THE FLOOR AREA RATIO AND, AND HEIGHT.
DO, UH, COULD YOU TELL THE COMMISSION HOW MANY UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED? THEY'RE NOT HELD TO A SPECIFIC NUMBER.
THEY'RE HELD TO THE DENSITY LIMITATION OF 12 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND, UM, COULD YOU ALSO TELL THE COMMISSION WHAT THE AVERAGE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THESE UNITS WILL BE? THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS, THAT'S GONNA BE DICTATED BY THE FLOOR AREA RATIO.
BUT I, WE WON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE UNITS THEMSELVES.
I, I, IS IT, UH, POSSIBLE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, MANY HOMES OR TINY HOMES? 700 SQUARE FOOT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR SHARING THAT.
UH, WITH, WITH, UH, SO THE, THE PARKING, UM, WHAT IS THE PARKING, UH, PROVISIONS THEN FOR THESE UNITS? THEY PROPOSED A SPECIFIC RATIO, UM, THEMSELVES THAT IS BUILT INTO THE PD.
SO THEY, BECAUSE IT'S A PD, THEY CONSENT TO WHATEVER THEY, THEY SO CHOOSE, THEY REQUESTED, UM, ONE SPACE PER BEDROOM WITH A MINIMUM OF ONE SPACE PER UNIT AND A MAXIMUM OF TWO SPACES PER BEDROOM.
SO IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE A ONE BEDROOM UNIT, THEY BUILD THAT OUT.
IF THEY HAVE A TWO BEDROOM, THEY HAVE TO PUT TWO SPACES.
IF THEY HAVE TO PUT, IF THEY BUILD A THREE BEDROOM, THEY HAVE TO PUT TWO SPACES BECAUSE IT'S A MAXIMUM OF TWO IN THIS PD.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S THE MAC THAT, THAT THE PD PROPOSES ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT.
IF THEY BUILD ONE BEDROOMS, IT'S TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
IF THEY HAVE TWO BEDROOMS, IT'S ONE PER BEDROOM.
WHICH IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR TO THE WIDER COAT.
AND, UH, THE PARKING, IS IT, UH, WITH EACH UNIT OR IS IT, UH, KIND OF A, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE A, LIKE A PARKING LOT AND THE PEOPLE HAVE TO WALK FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THEIR UNIT.
THE ZONING DOESN'T DICTATE ONE ARRANGEMENT OR ANOTHER, BUT I THINK THEY'VE STATED THAT THEY'LL HAVE IT, UM, KIND OF SURFACE NEARBY EACH UNIT.
SO, UM, FROM, FROM A, AND Y'ALL HELP ME HERE BECAUSE I'M NEW ON THE COMMISSION, BUT FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, IF THEY'RE BUILDING TINY HOMES, WOULDN'T THEY NEED TO BUILD A PARKING UNIT FOR EACH HOME AS OPPOSED TO A, UH, A PARKING LOT? YEAH, I MEAN, THESE ARE GOING TO BE, THIS IS MULTI-FAMILY AT THE END OF THE DAY FROM A CODE STANDPOINT, NOT WHAT IT MAYBE LOOKS LIKE ON THE GROUND.
SO IT MEANS THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE UNITS ON ONE LOT.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE PROVIDING PARKING FOR MULTIFAMILY FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE SAME LOT.
SO IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY IN THE BUILDING OR, OR WHAT HAVE
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YOU.THEY MAYBE ANSWER WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE, BUT ZONING DOESN'T PRESCRIBE ONE METHOD OR ANOTHER.
IT DOES STATE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ON SITE.
AND, AND FINALLY, UH, THERE WILL BE A REPLANTING REQUIREMENT LATER ON FOR THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
THERE'S ACTUALLY THE, THE TRUE FLOOD PLAINS DO NOT REACH THIS SITE IF THEY HAVE SPOTS FOR DRAINAGE EASEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'VE DETERMINED THEY HAVE A DRAINAGE EACH PERCENT IN THE SOUTHWEST, THEY HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR PLATING PROCESS.
BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT FLOODPLAIN IN ON THIS SITE THAT REACHES HERE.
BUT THERE, I KNOW THAT THERE IS TO THE WEST OFFSITE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I SAW COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT THEN I THINK WE'RE ON TO ROUND TWO WITH COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
UM, MR. PEPE, I, I HEAR CONVERSATION HERE TRYING TO PUT A NAME OR A LABEL ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA JOIN IN ON THAT.
WOULD, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO CHARACTERIZE THIS AS SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL? IT'S MULTIPLE UNITS ON ONE LOT CODE CONSIDERS IT MULTIFAMILY.
A NORMAL PERSON MIGHT CONSIDER IT THAT
WHEN YOU STAND ON THE GROUND AND LOOK AT IT, A NORMAL PERSON MIGHT CALL IT THAT.
BUT OUR CODE CALLS IT MULTI-FAMILY 'CAUSE IT'S MULTIPLE UNITS ON ONE LAWN.
MULTIFAMILY WILL COME IN MANY DIFFERENT FORMS. RIGHT, RIGHT.
HOPEFULLY I'M, HOPEFULLY I'M NORMAL.
UM, BUT UM, YOU'RE THE ONE SPEAKING ENGLISH HERE.
SO YEAH, NO, NO, NO, NO GUARANTEES.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I THINK I, I THINK FROM WHAT I CAN SEE IN, IN THIS APPLIC, THAT THIS IS REALLY NOT TINY HOUSES.
I MEAN, 700 SQUARE FEET IS NOT A TINY HOUSE.
SO I'M JUST, WOULD, WOULD YOU AGREE? I GOTTA PUT A QUESTION ON THAT, OR MAYBE YOU MAY.
I GUESS I'VE LIVED IN A TINIER HOME.
THAT'S, THAT'S SEMANTICS AND I'LL, UM, OKAY.
DEFINITION OF A TINY HOME I'D LEAVE TO, UH, OTHER DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BODY.
ANYONE ELSE ON ROUND ONE BEFORE WE GO BACK? OH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
WELL, I WOULD AGREE THAT 700 SQUARE FEET'S NOT A TINY HOUSE BY MOST PEOPLE'S STANDARDS.
AND IF IN THE FUTURE WE WERE TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF SINGLE FAMILY, UH, USES ON SMALLER LOTS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE TYPE OF CASES IN FRONT OF US, WOULD WE? THEY'D BE ABLE TO DO IT BY, RIGHT.
YOU RAISE NO, YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT.
I MEAN, THE MUL, THE REASON I KEEP SAYING MULTIFAMILY, MULTIFAMILY IS BECAUSE THE DEFINITIONS THAT OUR CODE GIVES US ARE LIMITED AND MAYBE DON'T REFLECT EVERYTHING THAT WANTS TO BE BUILT TODAY.
OH, ANYONE ELSE FOR ROUND TWO? WILL WE WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO COME BACK? ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE IT JUST A BRIEF PAUSE AND, UH, YEAH.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON KIND OF ASKED MY QUESTION OKAY.
ON, ON WHAT THE TINY HOME WAS.
UM, THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WE'VE HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS ABOUT THIS CASE.
MR. PEPE, ARE YOU AWARE? SAW WHAT I DID.
YEAH, I MIGHT ADD SOMETHING TO THIS DISCUSSION, BUT, UM, WHEN WE COME TO TINY HOMES AND OR COTTAGE COURTS, THE ONLY FEASIBLE WAY TO DO THAT NOW IS ON MULTIFAMILY.
IT DOESN'T INHERENTLY MEAN THAT IT'S GONNA BE A RENTAL PRODUCT.
IT WOULD BE A, A RENTAL PRODUCT OR OWNER OCCUPIED TINY HOME ON A MULTIFAMILY LOCK WOULD BE TENANTS IN COMMON STRUCTURE, LEGALITY, AS OPPOSED TO WHEN YOU OWN YOUR OWN HOME IN THE LAND UNDERNEATH IT.
SO IT, RIGHT NOW THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE YOU WANT TO NO, I YOU GOT IT.
I'M JUST LEANING OUT OF THE WAY 'CAUSE IT'S MONITORING.
THIS A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL, OR IS THIS A QUESTION, GEORGE? IT, IT'S MORE JUST, UM, ADDING SOMETHING TO THE DISCUSSION TO HELP ORIENT EVERYBODY'S THINKING 'CAUSE UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS WHETHER A TINY HOME IS 700 SQUARE FEET, THAT ACTUALLY DOES SEEM LIKE A TINY HOME TO ME.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THE STATISTICS ON IT, BUT I THINK THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOT OF A RENTAL UNIT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 800.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOME THAT IS SMALLER THAN THE AVERAGE RENTAL UNIT INSIDE AN APARTMENT, THAT TO ME WOULD BE CERTAINLY TINY OR SMALL.
AND I THINK THE QUESTION PORTION BEING, YEAH, I MEAN THE ZONING, THE ZONING IS EVERYTHING ABOUT OUR CODE IS TECHNICALLY AGNOSTIC TO OWNERSHIP VERSUS RENTAL
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ON PAPER, OF COURSE.UH, BUT YES, MULTIFAMILY COULD BE SOLD INDIVIDUALLY, UH, WHETHER THERE'S LINES ON THE MAP OR NOT, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE SOLD OR DELEGATED IN, IN WAYS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE'VE GOT THIS CASE IN FRONT OF US AND WE MAY HAVE SOME LARGER IMPORTANT POLICY DISCUSSIONS IN THE FUTURE, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, DO YOUR BEST TO, TO TIE YOUR QUESTIONS TO THIS CASE.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UH, MR. PEPE, IS IT NOT TRUE THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF ZONING? IT ISN'T.
THE ZONING IS, IS JUST, IS IS A GOOD USE OF LAND AND BASED ON THE DEFINITION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND THE, AND WHAT IS OR IS NOT IN CODE BETTER LEFT FOR A DIFFERENT DAY IN A DIFFERENT PLACE? YEAH, POTENTIALLY.
I MEAN, I'LL JUST SAY THE REASON, THE REASON THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT MULTIFAMILY AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME, IT'S, IT'S A WEIRD TALKING ABOUT THE, ABOUT GETTING DOWN TO THE GRANULAR, IS THIS A TINY HOME? IS THIS A COTTAGE COURT? WE DON'T HAVE CODE FOR THAT.
THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN, THAT IS NO LONG, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PRESENT IN TODAY'S, UH, CODES THAT WE DO HAVE.
I WOULDN'T GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION IF I WANTED TO, BUT
WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS THINGS LIKE DENSITY, HEIGHT, AND FLU AREA RATIO.
AND IN A GENERAL SENSE, I'LL SAY THAT THIS ZONING, THOSE STANDARDS I JUST DESCRIBED, DO PRESCRIBE S SMALL AMOUNTS OF FLOOR AREA.
SO IN, IN THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND I GUESS THIS IS BETTER QUESTION FOR MR. MOORE, THE BOUNDARIES THAT WE HAVE TODAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE OUTSIDE OF OUR BOX IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE'RE DOING.
I THINK THE DISCUSSION OF A MULTIFAMILY LAND USE AS A USE CATEGORY IS FINE WHEN SORT OF GETTING INTO THE, THE SPECIFIC MECHANICS OF HOW A CODE, A CODE AMENDMENT FOR TINY HOMES OR COTTAGE HOMES WOULD WORK IS PROBABLY LIKE YOU SAID, BEYOND THE SCOPE.
COMMISSIONER, ANY FINAL QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. PEPE FOR INDULGING US IN THAT LIVELY DISCUSSION.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CLINTON, NUMBER 11, THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 1 42.
UM, I, WE'VE HEARD THIS ONE, SO I'M JUST, WE HAVE, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BRIEF THE UPDATES, PLEASE.
SO SINCE THE LAST HEARING, WE DID RECEIVE, UM, AN UPDATED SITE PLAN FROM THE APPLICANT.
UH, AND ON THE UPDATED, UH, SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT DID, DID PUT ON THE, UH, THE BOLLARDS, UM, THEY PUT THOSE BOLLARDS IN THE PROPER LOCATION.
THEY PUT THE DIMENSIONS AND THE LABELS AND THE CALLOUTS ON THE SITE PLAN.
ADDITIONALLY, THE TREES THAT ARE BEING, UM, PRESERVED AND REMOVED HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN, UM, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE USED AS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE, UH, THE TREE MARKED TO BE REMOVED.
UH, THE PLACEMENT AND DIMENSIONS OF THE SWITCH HOUSE HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN AND THE CALL OUT AND LABEL DESIGNATING THE TRAIL AS A MULTI-USE FOR SERVICE ACCESS AND PEDESTRIAN CYCLIST ACCESS HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, AND THEN ALSO SINCE THE LAST HEARING, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITION HAS BEEN ADDED, UH, THAT WILL REQUIRE ANY TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED AS A PART OF THE EXPANSION BE REPLACED ELSEWHERE
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WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST QUEST.AND WE'RE GONNA SKIP THROUGH THE SITE VISIT PHOTOS TO GET TO THE CONDITIONS HERE.
UH, SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WERE, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE FLOOR AREA AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING, AGAIN, UM, THE CHANGE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITION BEING THE LANDSCAPING.
SO ANY TREES BEING REMOVED DUE TO CONSTRUCTION, UH, MUST BE REPLANTED, UH, WITH THE SAME QUANTITY OR HIGHER IN THE OPEN GREEN SPACE AND SPACED PROPERLY THROUGHOUT THE AREA OF REQUEST.
UH, TREE SPECIES SELECTED TO BE REPLANTED MUST COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 10 AND BE REPLANTED WITHIN THE TIME LIMIT REFERENCED HERE IN THE CONDITIONS.
UM, HERE ARE THE, UH, THE REVISED SITE PLANS, UM, JUST SHOWING WHERE THE APPLICANT PLACED, UH, THE ADDITIONS.
AND HERE IS A ZOOM IN OF THE SITE PLAN.
SO THERE WE HAVE A CALL OUT SHOWING WHERE THE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED, UM, AND HOPEFULLY BEING REPLACED ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE, AS WELL AS THE, UH, PROPOSED SERVICE ACCESS, UH, TO NOT ENCROACH UPON THE EXISTING TRAILS OR, UH, OPEN GREEN SPACE.
AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, LER.
MR. CLINTON, COULD YOU, UH, HIGHLIGHT THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE REMOVED AND CURRENTLY HOW MANY TREES WILL BE REPLACED? YES, SO THE NUMBER OF TREES TO BE REMOVED AS BASED ON THE, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE TOTAL IS NINE TREES.
AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE TREES WITH, UH, THREE SHRUBS ON THIS PLAN.
UH, WE DID GET A, ANOTHER REVISED SITE PLAN YESTERDAY THAT I THINK WAS CIRCULATED, UM, SHOWING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ADD THREE MORE SHRUBS.
AND WHERE ARE THE ADDITIONAL THREE SHRUBS GOING TO BE REPLACED? SO THE ADDITIONAL THREE SHRUBS, UH, BASED ON THE SITE PLAN ARE GOING TO BE, UH, I BELIEVE UP IN THIS AREA NEAR THE, UH, WEST RICK CIRCLE.
DID, DID YOU SAY THE, UH, THIS, THE, THE NEW 20 FOOT DRIVE DRIVE WOULD NOT ENCROACH ON THE EXISTING TRAIL? THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL CONDITION THAT, UH, WAS WRITTEN, UH, AND AGREED UPON PER STAFF AND APPLICANT.
UM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF THE, UM, WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EXPANSION THAT WAS PROPOSED DID NOT ENCROACH UPON ANY OF THE EXISTING TRAILS, UM, AND OPEN GREEN SPACE.
UH, HOWEVER, BASED ON THE NEW SITE PLAN WE RECEIVED, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL NEED TO, UH, USE SOME OF THAT SPACE TOO AT THE, THE SERVICE ROAD.
OKAY, BUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY NOT DO THAT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
YEAH, BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE, THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS MUCH MORE DETAILED THIS TIME AND IS, THAT'S MUCH APPRECIATED.
THEY'RE REALLY JUST WIDENING THE EXISTING TRAIL TO 20 FEET.
AND THEN WHEN THE EXISTING TRAIL GETS TO THE SUBSTATION, IT SPLITS IN TWO AND GOES AROUND AROUND THE SUBSTATION.
BUT, UM, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE ONE, ONE SIDE OF THAT WILL BE ENLARGED AND THE OTHER SIDE WILL NOT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY ONLY A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE ORIGINAL TRAIL THAT WILL NOT BE MODIFIED IN SOME WAY.
BUT MOST OF THE ORIGINAL TRAIL IS GOING TO BE GOING TO BE WIDENED.
THAT'S THE WAY I, THAT'S THE WAY I SEE THIS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CLINTON, AND THANK YOU FOR THE EXCELLENT, UH, BRIEFING AND, UM, THE PACKET WELL DONE TODAY.
THAT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER 14.
THAT IS GONNA BE, UH, PARDON ME, WE WE'RE ON 12.
IT IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO, UM, WHAT, WHAT DATE COMMISSIONER HOUSE? SEPTEMBER 19TH.
SO THAT TAKES US TO 13 AND BACK TO MR.
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PEPI.OKAY, THIS IS THE 2, 2 3 2 3 8.
AND THIS IS LOCATED ON EIGHTH STREET AND 35 IN DISTRICT ONE.
AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR WMU 12, WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT USES TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE.
THREE, THE TERMINATION OF THE RESTRICTIONS Z 8 9 1 8 2 ON PROPERTIES ON SUBDISTRICT F WITHIN PD NUMBER 4 6 8.
THE OAK CLIFF GATEWAY SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS Z EIGHT 90 DASH 180 2 ON A PORTION, UH, WEST, ON THE WEST LINE OF SOUTH I 35 FREEWAY BETWEEN EAST EIGHTH STREET AND DALE STREET.
UH, AREA REQUEST IS FIVE 0.57 ACRES.
PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW, UH, MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PRIMARILY RELATED TO PERMITTED USES, SETBACKS REQUIRED FRONTAGES PARKING, SETBACKS, BUILDING ELEMENTS, LANDSCAPING STREET SCAPING, AND FORM DISTRICT STANDARDS TO DEVELOP A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE VENDOR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE.
HERE'S A SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
IT IS UNDEVELOPED A COUPLE OF SMALL PROPERTIES.
SO TO THE NORTHWEST THERE'S MULTIFAMILY AND A SINGLE FAMILY.
THERE'S A DEPRESSED FREEWAY TO THE EAST, UH, ACROSS THERE.
THERE'S A MULTI MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION ACROSS 35, UH, SOUTH ACROSS EIGHTH.
THERE'S A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A, A SMALL HOTEL TO THE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST.
YOU CAN SEE THE SOUTHWEST PART OF THE SOUTH PART OF THE SITE HAS, UH, D RESTRICTIONS THAT LIMIT THE FLURRY RATIO ON THERE.
I'LL HAVE MORE DETAIL LATER, BUT WHILE I HAVE THIS MAP, JUST FOR CONTEXT, HERE, IS THIS TINY PARCEL WITHIN THE GREATER PD 4 68, UH, PD 4 68 BEING THE OAK CLIFF GATEWAY SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
IT'S BEEN AMENDED, UH, BEFORE, BUT IT REACHED ITS CURRENT FORM IN 2015.
UH, THIS AREA IS CALLED SUBDISTRICT F, WHICH KIND OF CALLS FOR WALKABLE MIXED USE.
UH, DRIVE THROUGH USES ARE PERMITTED CURRENTLY WHEN YOU REQUEST A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THEY HAVE TO REQUEST, UH, EXEMPTIONS TO FORM A ZONING TO ACTUALLY BUILD, UH, THE USE HOW THEY DESIRE.
AND, UH, THERE'S ALSO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT I MENTIONED THAT LIMIT THE FLOOR AREA RATIO OF THE, THAT PORTION TO 1.0.
HERE'S A SITE FROM EIGHTH STREET LOOKING NORTH.
TURN THE CORNER, GO UP 35 MAYBE.
UH, THIS IS LOOKING WEST ON EIGHTH STREET.
IT'S LOOKING NORTH ON EIGHTH STILL.
NOW WE'RE FLIP AROUND, UH, LOOKING SOUTH ON DALE STREET.
SO THIS IS THE, THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR THE, UH, BOTTOM OF THE HILL KIND OF.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A SLOPE ALONG THE PROPERTY FOR SURE.
THIS IS THE CORNER OF EIGHTH AND 35.
THIS IS THE, UH, CURRENT SURFACE AT 35 AND EIGHTH STREET, RIGHT ACROSS EIGHTH STREET, UH, THE RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH.
AND THEN LOOKING SOUTHWEST, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING USES.
AND THEN THIS IS LOOKING NORTHWEST.
YOU CAN SEE THE MOTEL PROPERTY TO THE, UH, IN THE RIGHT OF THIS IMAGE.
AND THEN JUST FURTHER DOWN TOWARDS THE JEFFERSON, WHERE THE PREP SCHOOL IS.
AND THEN BACK ON EIGHTH STREET, SOME OF THE HOMES, EIGHTH STREET BEING, OR NOT EIGHTH STREET, I'M SORRY, DALE STREET, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
HERE'S A SITE PLAN AS IT'S PROPOSED.
BASICALLY A SMALL DRIVE-IN RESTAURANT PARKING ON THE I 35 SIDE.
AND HERE'S THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AS PROPOSED.
SO THERE ARE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE STREET, UH, STREET DESIGNATIONS.
I DID STATE, THOSE ARE LARGELY RELEVANT 'CAUSE UH, THEY MODIFY THE, YOU KNOW, ARTICLE 13, UH, AS A REPORT, STATES PRESCRIBED CERTAIN DEV UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND TREATMENTS BASED ON DIFFERENT STREET DESIGNATIONS.
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AND ALTHOUGH WE HAVE MODIFIED STREET DESIGNATIONS IN THIS, THE MODIFICATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, DOESN'T REALLY MAKE THAT TOO MEANINGFUL.BUT I DO NEED TO PUT IT IN HERE.
UM, THE EXEMPTIONS FROM THE DESIGN OR THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF ARTICLE 13 THAT ARE PROPOSED, UM, INCREASING THE MAXIMUM SETBACK.
UM, THEY DON'T MODIFY THE, THE PARKING SETBACK EXPLICITLY.
BUT BY CHANGING THE, UH, STREET DESIGNATIONS, IT DOES ALTER THAT.
UM, PRIMARY ENTRANCES, THERE'S ONLY ONE ON 35.
NORMALLY THERE'D BE ONE REQUIRED ON THE PRIMARY STREET, AND THERE'S NO MINIMUM FRONTAGE FOR THIS BUILDING.
SO BECAUSE THERE'S NO MAXIMUM SETBACK, UH, NO PORTION OF THE BUILDING CAN BE IN THE MAX MINIMUM FRONTAGE, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST MASSING TOWARDS THE PRIMARY STREET.
UH, MINIMUM HEIGHT IN THIS IN WMU 12 IS NORMALLY TWO, UH, STORIES.
THIS HAS A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF ONE.
THEY NEED TO REDUCE IT FOR THEIR ONE STORY BUILDING.
UH, THEY MODIFY THEIR MINIMUM TRANSPARENCY.
UH, THEY OBVIOUSLY MODIFY THEIR STREET DESIGNATIONS, BUT FOR THEIR PRIMARY, SORRY, LET'S JUST SAY EIGHTH STREET, 18% DALE STREET, 3%.
UH, THERE'S A CAVEAT TO THE I 35 FACADE.
UH, EITHER BE 25% OR HAVE LIKE A MURAL, UH, DESIRED EXEMPTIONS FOR THESE ARTICLE 10 SCREENING, NOT ARTICLE 13, LANDSCAPE PER PLAN.
AND, UH, THE STREETS SCAPES OVERALL.
SO, UH, ARTICLE 10 DESIGNATES THAT THE, UH, KIND OF THE PUBLIC REALM HAS TO BE DESIGNED.
AND ACCORDING WITH STREETS SCAPE, UH, EXHIBITS IN ARTICLE 13, THOSE ARE EXEMPTED HERE.
STEP HAS RECOMMEND THE LANDSCAPING AND STREETS SCAPES PER ARTICLE 13.
SHOULD COUNSEL APPROVE, UH, SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS EXCEPT WHERE SHOWN ON PLAN, UH, NORMALLY SIX FOOT WOULD BE THE, THE BASIC IN THIS DISTRICT.
BUT THEY, UH, THEY OFFER OR THEY REQUEST EXEMPTIONS WHERE THEY SHOW ON THE SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH IS A, A PORTION AND STAFF RECOMMENDS KEEPING IT SIX FOOT SHOULD THE PD BE APPROVED.
UH, DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY DO INCLUDE PEDESTRIANS, SCALE LIGHTING AND SPEC EXPLICITLY IN THEIR TEXT.
AND JUST FOR CONTEXT, DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY IS ALLOWED IN THE WMU WHEN YOU REQUEST AN SUP, THIS IS THE WIDER WMU AREA.
THERE'S ALSO SOME WR UH, WALKABLE RESIDENTIAL IN KIND OF THE MIDDLE OF THIS PD.
BUT GENERALLY THE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS ARE WMU.
UM, SO ALL OF THOSE PLACES, UH, YOU'D NEED AN SUP, BUT YOU HAVE TO MEET THE FORM STANDARDS.
SO DEFINITELY, UM, APPLICANT AND STAFF HAVE MET REGARDING DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, NO DOUBT WE TRY TO WORK ON THEM.
UM, SO JUST TO ADDRESS, UM, DRIVE THROUGH USE BEING NOT PERMITTED WELL, IT IS PERMITTED WHEN YOU GET THE SUP UM, FOOTPRINT.
IT CAN BE DIFFICULT ON THE SMALL SITE WITH A GRADE.
WELL, ONE POTENTIAL THING IS YOU COULD REDEVELOP THE SITE WITH ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES INVOLVED, UH, TO MAKE YOUR FOOTPRINT AND FRONTAGE EASIER.
UM, HEIGHTENED PARKING SHOULD BE ACHIEVABLE WITH MORE LAND IN THE DEVELOPMENT UNDER THAT EXISTING ZONING, UH, CAN STILL POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE THE USE.
UH, THE DE RESTRICTIONS DO LIMIT THE FLOOR.
A SO STAFF DOES RECOMMEND TERMINATING THOSE DE RESTRICTIONS, UH, THAT WERE APPROVED WITH A DIFFERENT ZONING ORIGINALLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM VISION, CALLING FOR WALKABLE MAKES USE.
UH, WE COULD PROVE A FIVE YEAR IF WE APPROVE THAT SEP, UH, SO THAT IT IT, EXCUSE ME.
SO THAT IT SORT OF ALLOWS ADJUSTMENT OVER TIME.
UM, IF WE DO HAVE A PD, THE ZONING PRESCRIBES A TWO STORY BUILDING, WHICH PRESENTS SOME PARKING DIFFICULTIES IN TERMS OF FITTING PARKING ON THE SITE.
UH, ONE SOLUTION, AND THAT IS IN THE, IN THE DOCKET, IS YOU COULD ELIMINATE REQUIRED PARKING.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEIR TWO WITH HAVING A PARKING A TWO STORY BUILDING THERE.
IN AN AREA LIKE THIS, IT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND DRIVE THROUGH USE IS CONFLICT WITH DESIGN STANDARDS OF ARTICLE 13, KIND OF FUNDAMENTALLY IS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING HERE.
SO I, I DO SAY WE DO OFFER, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION OF, UH, WE PROVIDE LEAVE FROM THE SETBACKS AND HEIGHT AND THAT AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, UH, BUT NOT FROM STREET SCAPE SIDEWALKS AND LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN JUST TO SHOW THE DE RESTRICTIONS, IT IS A PORTION OF THE SITE, UH, LIMITS THAT TOOK 1.0 THAT THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE.
UH, ORIGINALLY WHEN, UH, REGIONAL RETAIL A, UH, MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WAS PUT IN, UM, MULTIPLE YEARS BACK.
AND I THINK IT CONFLICTS WITH THE, A BASIC ABILITY TO DEVELOP UNDER WMU 12.
SO WE DO RECOMMEND IT TERMINATE THOSE, UH, THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE.
SO THE SUBDISTRICT MAINLY JUST TAKES APART WHAT EXISTING ZONING WE HAVE.
UM, SO STAFF HAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO HELP WITH THE DESIGN DIFFICULTIES AND SAFETY THERE, AND WE
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HOPE THAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS REMEDIATE.UH, WE STILL DO RECOMMEND DENIAL SUBDISTRICT, BUT WE WOULD CONSIDER SUP APPLICATION COMPLIANT WITH ARTICLE 13.
BUT THE SUP TODAY IS PRETTY FAR FROM THAT.
SO WE DO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED SUBDISTRICT, DENIAL OF THE SUP AND APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF DR.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER OCK, PLEASE CAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO PAGE 33 OF YOUR DECK? YEAH.
SO YOU, YOU'VE GOT THEIR DRIVE THROUGH USES CONFLICT WITH DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, AND THEN YOU PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR THAT.
SO WITH REGARDS TO THE SIDEWALK, IT'S FIVE FEET AND YOU'RE RECOMMENDING SIX FEET.
IS IT JUST ABOUT THE EXTRA FOOT OR IS THERE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, THE STAFF REPORT SAYS IT'S JUST PREFERENCE TO MEET THE UNDERLYING ZONING WITH SIX FEET.
SO I MEAN, IT'S THE, EXCUSE ME, IT'S THE, UM, WIDTH THE SIDEWALK, UH, IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT MAKING AREA SAFE TO, TO WALK ON.
UM, ARTICLE 13 STREET SCAPES ALSO INCLUDE BUFFERS LIKE EVERY TIME.
UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 35 SIDE WON'T HAVE A BUFFER ON THE SIDEWALK, UH, AS WILL DALE AND WITH STREETS, UH, ACTUALLY DALE WILL HAVE ONE.
IT'S THE 35 SIDE THAT WON'T, WOULDN'T HAVE A BUFFER.
YOU'D HAVE YOUR SIDEWALK ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER.
SO THAT ALSO DOESN'T COMPLY WITH STREET SCAPES.
THEY MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE THAT, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE THAT, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT EXEMPTED FROM STREET SCAPES.
SO IF THEY HAD TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE ON THE SIDEWALK, IT REALLY SKEWS EVERYTHING ON THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE, IT, IT APPEARS THAT IT, YOU EAT UP A WHOLE BUNCH OF MORE SPACE THAT FRONTS THAT ACCESS ROAD.
WHEN YOU PUT IN THE BUFFER, THEN THE SIX FOOT, THEN YOU START YOUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOU HAVE YOUR PARKING.
SO IS IT THE LACK OF COMPLIANCE ALONG THE ACCESS ROAD REALLY IS, IT'S A BIG, IT'S, IT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY'D RUN INTO THE MOST TROUBLE, BUT FELT STRONGLY ABOUT IT AS A SAFETY ISSUE.
'CAUSE THE RIGHT ARTICLE 13 STREET SCAPES GET US BUFFERS AND, AND WIDTH IT THERE ON THAT ACCESS ROAD.
THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME OLD CURB CUTS.
SO THERE'S NOT, THERE'S, UM, THERE THEY'RE TOWARDS THE CORNER OF EIGHTH IN THE ACCESS ROAD.
I DON'T, THERE'S NOT A RIGHT KIND OF OUT OF THE, SO THAT, THAT'S THE STREET OUT OF THE FRAME TO THE NORTH.
AND I, I DO REMEMBER THERE BEING ONE.
SO THOSE ARE NOT PROPOSED IN THE YEAH.
SO HOW, SO LET'S JUST SAY HYPOTHETICALLY IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE EXISTING 'CAUSE THOSE SIDEWALKS WERE NEWLY POURED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELATIVELY NEW.
THE TEXT DOT ONES, THE TEXT TDOT ONES.
UM, HOW WOULD THAT CURB CUT GET PUT IN IF THIS HYPERTECH LEADER WAS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO LEAVE THE SIDEWALK, SAY IT WAS APPROVED AND LEAVING THE SIDEWALKS AS IS, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THOSE CURB CUTS CLEANED UP? WELL, THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE PLAN DOES NOT CALL FOR ACCESS THERE.
SO IF THEY WANNA DO A A, NO, I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST, YES, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO ACCESS, BUT IT STILL PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE THOSE CLEANED UP.
I, IF THEY DO A, A REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE, THEY, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE, WITH THE SITE PLAN THAT IT IS.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, REGARDING THE, THE TRAFFIC.
AND THESE MIGHT BE BETTER DIRECTED AT MR. NAVAREZ.
I THINK HE'S JUST GRABBING SOMETHING.
UM, YOUR, THE COMMENTS UNDER TRAFFIC IN OUR REPORT, UM, SAYS, AVOIDING IMPACT TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF RIGHT OF WAY REQUIRES AN ACTIVE MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS TYPICALLY DIFFICULT FOR STORE MANAGERS WHEN THEY ARE NOT ADEQUATELY STAFFED.
WAS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT THAT, OR WHY, WHY WOULD YOU ASSUME IT WOULDN'T BE ADEQUATELY STAFFED? THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
THAT'S ANECDOTALLY WHAT WE FOUND THROUGHOUT
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THE CITY.UM, NOT NAMING THE PROPOSED TENANTS A COFFEE SHOP.
LAND USE IS A, REQUIRES ACTIVE MANAGEMENT.
AND WHAT WE FIND IS THAT STORE MANAGERS ARE JUST UNABLE TO, UM, AND SO, AND SOMETIMES AT THE REQUEST OF THIS COMMISSION MEMBERS OR THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE, WE STAFF ARE SENT TO VISIT WITH STORE MANAGERS.
STORE MANAGERS TELL US, YOU KNOW, I, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH I CAN DO, AND THIS LOOKS BEAUTIFUL TO THEM.
THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY, THAT, THAT THEY SEE OUT ON THE STREET IS, MEANS GOOD, MEANS BUSINESS, RIGHT? GOOD, GOOD, GOOD BUSINESS.
UM, WE ARE THEN, UM, IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN'T SOLVE A PROBLEM UNLESS THE STORE MANAGER HELPS, UM, MANAGE THEIR TRAFFIC.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN PREVIOUS, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS RE REWORD THE WAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW, WHICH IS ADDED ONTO ZONING ORDINANCES, IS WHAT WE ARE NOW CALLING IT MORE OF AN OPERATIONS PLAN, WHICH MEANS WE VISIT WITH A STORE MANAGER AND WE BRING A SHEET OF PAPER THAT, THAT HAS A VERY CARTOONISH, FAR FROM TECHNICAL, BUT IT SHOWS WHERE THEY NEED TO PUT CONES OR A STAND SIGNS THAT SAYS TRAFFIC GO AROUND THE BLOCK.
AND, UM, AND ANECDOTALLY WHAT WE FOUND THOUGH IS THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WHAT, OR THE SIZE OF THE SITE IS WHAT CREATES RESTRICTIONS OR, OR LIMITATIONS FOR CITY STAFF TO WORK WITH STORE MANAGERS.
UH, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT COMMENT COMES FROM.
AND A LOT OF THAT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING LIKE OTHER STARBUCKS AND OTHER COFFEE SHOPS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OTHER COMPARISONS FOR JUST DRIVE-THRU.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW TYPOLOGY FOR THE COFFEE SHOPS TO BE DOING DRIVE THROUGH ONLY AS OPPOSED TO WALK-IN.
UM, IN FACT, W WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE DRIVE THROUGH FACILITIES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN DALLAS, UM, AT PERMITTING TODAY, ARE I, I'LL SAY NINE OUT OF 10, AND EVEN MORE THAN THAT, ARE DRIVE-THROUGH ONLY IT'S A NEW CONCEPT THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, TENANTS ARE FIGURING OUT THAT THE OPERATORS ARE FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BETTER UTILIZATION OF THEIR SIDE BY FOCUSING ON THE DRIVE-THRU FACILITY ASPECT OF IT, UH, WHICH BECOMES OF 100% VEHICULAR VEHICLE CENTRIC LAND USE.
AND, AND THEN THE LA THE LAST COMMENT ON THE, IN THE TRAFFIC SECTION WAS, IT SAYS EVALUATION OF REQUESTS MUST CONSIDER THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF THIS SITE FOR STUDENTS WALKING IN THE AREA AS WELL.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO COMMUNICATE THERE? OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA CONSIDER THE STUDENTS AND THE SAFETY, BUT WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN ATTRACTIVENESS OF THE SITE? THANK YOU.
THAT'S, IT SOUNDS VERY SUBJECTIVE.
UM, PLEASE, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, WE, WHEN, WHEN IN OUR COLLABORATION WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE, THE, THE COMMENT THAT KEPT BEING BROUGHT UP WAS THE LIKELIHOOD OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS ACROSS THE FREEWAY COMING IN FOR A CUP OF COFFEE.
UH, THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
WILL THE DESIGN BE ATTRACTIVE TO, IF I MAY USE THOSE WORDS, TWO, TWO PEDESTRIANS TO APPROACH THE DECIDE, HANG OUT, GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE WHILE THEY'RE BEING PICKED UP, UM, UM, UM, UM, STAFF WOULD APPRECIATE IF THAT'S A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND AS MUCH AS WE WILL ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN AT PERMITTING, UM, IT'D BE GREAT IF, IF IT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE DESIGN PROCESS AS WELL.
SO IN YOUR OPINION, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SITE PLAN CURRENTLY DOESN'T SHOW FOR A WALKUP WINDOW, BUT ARE YOU AWARE THAT THAT'S CONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS CONSIDERED POSSIBLY HAVING THE WALKUP WINDOW, POSSIBLY NOT HAVING THE WALKUP WINDOW? THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT AGNOSTIC, BUT HOW DO YOU VIEW ONE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT, THAT THE WALK-UP WINDOW IS NOT CURRENTLY SHOWN? AND AND DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON WHETHER IT WOULD BE A NEGATIVE OR A POSITIVE IN A SENSE? UH, IT COULD IT BE A POSITIVE BECAUSE IT CREATES A USE THAT'S YOU CAN WALK TO.
SO IN THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING, IN THE OTHER SENSE, COULD IT BE A NEGATIVE WHERE IT COULD CREATE A SAFETY ISSUE? WHICH IS WHAT'S YOUR OPINIONS ON THOSE? UM, I'M BEING CAREFUL NOT TO ENTER, ENTER INTO MY COLLEAGUES', UH, REALM OF PLANNING.
THAT QUESTION COULD BE FOR, FOR EITHER OF YOU.
YES, MS. PEPE, IF YOU WANNA WEIGH IN ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME.
I, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO COMMENT, UM, THE CONCEPT INTRIGUES ME, BUT I, I'LL LET YOU ANSWER, PLEASE GIVE BACK ONE.
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IF THE QUESTION IS, WILL, WILL IT BE ATTRACTIVE TO WALK TO, UH, ATTRACTIVE IS AN ODD WORD, BUT WILL IT, WILL IT PULL PEOPLE TO, TO WALK THERE? UM, AND I MEAN, I SAID THIS, I SAID THIS YESTERDAY, THAT WHERE, WHERE THINGS ARE, WHERE, UH, GOODS AND SERVICES ARE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE, PEOPLE DO WALK, WHETHER IT'S, UM, WALKABLE OR NOT, WHETHER IT'S COMFORTABLE OR NOT.SO I TEND TO LEAN TOWARDS MAKING THINGS MORE COMFORTABLE.
IF IT'S A QUESTION OF ADDING, ADDING THE WINDOW, I WOULD SAY THAT ADDING A REQUIREMENT FOR A WINDOW IS A COMMON SOLUTION, UH, THAT IS PROPOSED.
AND I, I CAN'T HAVE ANY, I CAN'T THINK OF AN EXAMPLE OF A WALKUP WINDOW, UH, PROPOSED ELSEWHERE, BUT I, I KNOW THAT IT IS A COMMON, UH, POLICY SOLUTION TO, TO, TO DRIVE THROUGHS, IF YOU WILL, SOMETIMES.
SO IT'S AN OPTION IF, IF I MAY ADD HERE, UM, WE SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PEDESTRIANS, PEDESTRIAN.
THERE WILL BE SOMEONE WALKING TO THIS SIDE, WHETHER THERE'S A WALKUP WINDOW OR NOT.
AND IF NOT EVEN, WE SHOULD WANT TO HAVE PEDESTRIANS WALK TO THIS LOCATION.
NOW WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A HIGHWAY, WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A FREEWAY.
UM, AND YET WE SHOULD STILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT PEDESTRIANS, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE INFORMED THE APPLICANT.
THEN ONCE THIS MOVES FORWARD TO PERMITTING, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTIONS WILL BE TRIGGERED TO UPGRADE THE RAMPING SYSTEM TO ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIANS.
UM, BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF THE LAND USE, AND AS MUCH AS THIS IS A VEHICLE CENTRIC LAND USE, VEHICLE CENTRIC LAND USE, AUTOCENTRIC LAND USE, UH, WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIANS APPROACHING THIS LAND USE.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? YES, MR. PEPE, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR PD, I, I BELIEVE IS THE LARGEST FORM DISTRICT PD IN THE CITY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, OR ONE OF, ONE OF THE LARGEST.
AND YOUR, UH, YOUR REMARKS ABOUT WHY YOU WOULD DENY THE CASE CENTER AROUND ALL THE FORM DISTRICT REGULATIONS THAT AREN'T REALLY, AREN'T VERY FRIENDLY TO AN AUTO ORIENTED USE, CORRECT? YES.
AND, AND I'LL ADMIT THAT THE USE IS PERMITTED WITH AN SUP IN THIS DISTRICT NOW, BUT YOU GOTTA FOLLOW THE RIGHT RULES.
AND YOU WOULD AGREE, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY AN AUTO ORIENTED USE.
YOU, AND SO, AND YEAH, WE HAVE A SITE THAT IS ON LITERALLY AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY, WHICH IS DESIGNED FOR AUTOMOBILES.
SO OUR QUESTION THIS AFTERNOON, WILL IT NOT BE, WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT FOREIGN DISTRICT REGS AND SHOULD THEY EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO A SITE BORDERING AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY? OR IS THIS A SITE WHERE PERHAPS THERE IS FLEXIBILITY OR AN EXCEPTION? THAT'S THE QUESTION THIS AFTERNOON, RIGHT? YES.
AND, AND, AND I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF PLACES THAT ARE CURRENTLY UN WALKABLE OR VERY UN UNCOMFORTABLE TO DO SO.
AND I, I DON'T FIND IT TO BE A AESTHETIC OR CULTURAL, UM, FEATURE OF, OF LAND USE RATHER AT PRIMARILY SAFETY, UH, ISSUE OF LAND USE.
SO SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE, UM, CONCERN HERE.
AND THERE'S MORE TO SAFETY THAN JUST JUST SIDEWALKS.
SHADE IS SAFETY, UH, SHADE BY BUILDINGS AND TREES IS, IS SAFETY, UH, IN THIS STATE.
UM, AND, AND, AND SO WHAT I, AND THEN I'D ALSO ADD THAT WE HAVE PLACES YOU'D, YOU'D CONSIDER AUTOCENTRIC, UM, OR DIFFICULT OR UNCOMFORTABLE TO WALK IN, BUT MANY OF THOSE PLACES ARE THAT BY DESIGN AND BY REGULATION AND NOT BY ACCIDENT.
SO WHENEVER POSSIBLE, I I, AS A PLANNER, I'M GONNA PUSH FOR IMPROVING, UH, RATHER THAN MAINTAINING, I GUESS I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT IS A, IT IS A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION.
I'VE TALKED WITH THE COMMISSIONER EXTENSIVELY THAT IT'S, IT'S PHILOSOPHICAL AND IT'S DIFFICULT.
AND I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT KIND OF ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE, JUST BECAUSE THIS PD WAS A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY AUTHORIZED HEARING, UH, AND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PD EXTEND TO THE FRONTAGE OF THIS INTERSTATE HIGHWAY.
UM, THEY DON'T EXTEND TO, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING BUT THOSE LOTS FRONTING ONTO THE ACCESS ROAD.
THEY DO EXTEND TO THE FRONT EDGE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS OCCURRED, IT, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THAT
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FORM DISTRICT REGULATIONS WOULD EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSTATE.SO JUST KIND OF ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE TO CONSIDER.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER FILED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THEN COMMISSIONER HALL, WHAT IS THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEW PARK THAT IS BEING BUILT ON THE, UH, ON 35, THE PROXIMITY TO THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY PARK? I HAVEN'T MEASURED, BUT A FEW BLOCKS, A FEW LONG BLOCKS.
I'LL SHOW YOU THE, I, I'D RATHER LET THIS MAP SPEAK THAN, THAN MYSELF SPEAK.
UM, I MEAN, THERE'S OUR WHOLE, THERE'S OUR WHOLE PD, UM, THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY BEING DOWN HERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT STREET DOES THAT START AT? IS THAT WHAT, WAIT ONE MORE TIME.
WHAT STREET DOES THAT START AT THE GATEWAY, DO YOU THINK? UH, IS IT EWING OR IS IT EWING OR, UM, IT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM EIGHTH STREET.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT FAR FROM EIGHTH STREET, 12TH, BACK THIRD, 12TH, 12TH, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT STREET IT, IT STARTS AT, UM, WAY, BUT IT, YEAH, EWING, UH, SOUTH OF 10TH.
SO, SO REALLY NOT SO THREE LONG BLOCKS.
SO, UM, SO I'M, I'M THINKING, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK IT IS POSSIBLY THAT THEY ARE GETTING, AND THIS, THIS IS, UH, UH, STARBUCKS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TOLD.
IS IT THAT THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE BUILDING FOR WHAT IS TO COME.
AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I, I I'M GOING, I'M GOING, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THE CITY IS GOING, ARE TEXT OUT, IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE WALKABILITY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HELP WALK TO THE GATEWAY AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT BUFFER, THOSE SIDEWALK BUFFERS? UM, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE WALKABILITY TO THE PARK BEING THERE AS THEY HAVE DONE DOWNTOWN, THAT IS A HEAVILY TRAVELED FREEWAY.
I MEAN SERVICE ROADS, THOSE SERVICE ROADS ARE VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED.
THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY OF WHAT'S GOING TO COME.
AND, AND, AND STARBUCKS IS JUST GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF THAT.
UM, SO I I, THAT'D BE A POSSIBILITY.
WELL, IF WE'RE COMPARING IT TO THE, THE, THE BUSINESS OF WOOD ROGERS AND THOSE SERVICE ROADS ON BOTH SIDES AND THE CONGESTION, COULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT TODAY, BUT THERE'S A, A VERY NEAR FUTURE THAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE BY, I'M ASSUMING, TEXT OUT OTHER CITY FOR WALKABILITY TO THE GATEWAY.
NO, I, I, I THINK I, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GETTING AT AND IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION.
THE ONE THING WE HAVE WORKING IN OUR FAVOR FOR, UH, ACCESS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CORRIDOR WALKABILITY NEAR THE PARK, INCLUDING THIS SITE, IS THE ZONING THAT'S THERE THAT SHOULD REDEVELOPMENT OCCUR.
IT HAS TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, PEOPLE WALKING.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S ONE PARCEL AT A TIME OR NOT.
UM, I WON'T, I'M LOOKING AT THE, I'M KIND OF LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT THE PARK, A CONCEPTION OF DRAWING OF THE PARK AND WHAT I'M LOOKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FREEWAY.
UM, IT'S IS I KINDA JUST GOOGLED SOUTHERN GATEWAY PARK.
SOMEONE DANIEL PEREZ PUT THREE WEEKS AGO, I GUESS THIS WAS A CONSUMPTION AND IT LOOKS LIKE IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT PARK, I MEAN, ON THE, ALONG THE CORRIDOR, UM, FOR WALKABILITY, UM, THAT LOOKS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S GOING ON DOWNTOWN.
AND SO I KNOW THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, YES, IT BORDERS OF FREEWAY, BUT I'M IMAGINING THERE IS GOING TO BE MORE BUSINESSES KIND OF CROPPING UP BECAUSE OF THAT WALKABILITY AND STARBUCKS, YES, THEY ARE AHEAD OF THEIR TIME.
YES, THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS MIGHT AT THIS CURRENT TIME CREATE SOME SAFETY ISSUES, BUT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE COMING TO THAT COMMUNITY IS GONNA IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THAT COMMUNITY.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, KIND OF JUDGING THEM, I DON'T KNOW OF, I DON'T KNOW, OF, OF INFRASTRUCTURAL COMMITMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS, UH, LOCALLY TO IMPROVE THE, THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
LIKE I SAID, THE ZONING IS THE, ONE OF THE BETTER TOOLS THAT WE HAVE FOR WHEN REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
BUT I, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS A LITTLE BIT.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUFFERS, BUT I ALSO HOLD THAT WALKABILITY IS MORE THAN JUST SIDEWALKS.
IT'S ALSO BUILDINGS AND MASSING, UM, THAT MAKE THINGS MORE, MORE COMFORTABLE AND SAFE.
UM, SO I WOULD SAY WE HAVE THE ZONING IN PLACE TO GET THAT
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IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT OBVIOUSLY REDEVELOPMENT HAS TO OCCUR AND THESE FOLKS ARE HERE, HERE TO REDEVELOP ONE SITE.UH, WILL, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF ONE SITE WILL MAKE A A, A CHANGE AND FOR THE WHOLE DISTRICT, BUT IT IS, IT IS.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO IMPROVE THE SITE, CERTAINLY.
THEY'RE IMPROVING THE SITES, BUT I, I, I WANT, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE, WE OR WE JUST THE FIRST TO DO IT ALWAYS GETS THE, THE BUCK OF THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THAT THEY KINDA HAVE MAPPED OUT, VISUALIZE, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS TO COME LET MEALS GET ON THE GROUND NOW.
AND, BUT WE DO NEED THEM TO IMPROVE WALKABILITY.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING PERIOD.
AND I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR, UM, THE SOUTH SOUTHERN GATEWAY PARK.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S MAJOR SIDEWALKS AND TREES AND OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED AND IT LOOKS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FREEWAY.
JUST LOOKING AT WAS TDOT OR WHOEVER, CITY OF DALLAS OR WHOEVER DID THESE MOCK UP? YES.
I THINK THAT'S PARTIALLY THE QUESTION AT HAND.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THEN COMMISSIONER HALL.
UM, MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
UM, I KNOW JUST IN THE REPORT THAT THEY ARE ASKING TO EXEMPT THEMSELVES FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF ARTICLE 10 SPECIFICALLY, IT'S CALLED OUT HERE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE REQUIRED TO PLANT STREET TREES OR PARKING LOT TREES.
IS THERE SOME SITE SPECIFIC REASON WHY THEY'RE UNABLE TO MEET THOSE CONDITIONS? IS THIS A QUESTION OF BEING UNWILLING OR UNABLE? WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WORKSHOP THIS TRIED TO COME TO A GOOD SOLUTION, TRIED TO COME TO, TO BETTER SOLUTIONS, WHICH WE, WE'D MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION SPACE IS, UH, THE BIG LIMITING FACTOR.
SO I WILL LET THEM SPEAK TO SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES THEY MAY HAVE DRAWN UP.
BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT WITH WEST SPACE IS A LIMITING FACTOR BECAUSE AS WE DETERMINE THE STREET TREE'S LIMITATION IS PRIMARILY 35, BUT THAT'S THE NARROW, THAT'S THE NARROW NARROWEST PART OF THE PROPERTY, OR, OR IT'S THE NARROW SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEY NEED TO FIND ROOM FOR DRIVE MANY DRIVE LANES, ONSITE PARKING AND THEIR BUILDING.
SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE POTENTIALLY, AND IN, IN THIS CASE, IT'S MOVING TREES OR CHANGING HOW THEY, HOW THEY'RE PLACED IN THE BUFFERS AS WELL.
I NOTICED WE DID GET, UM, SOME REVISIONS TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
HAS MR. ARWIN, UH, HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE WERE REVISIONS TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CIRCULATED? YOU'RE SAYING? I I THOUGHT THAT WE SAW REVISIONS TO LANDSCAPING OR ANY FROM WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SAW.
UM, I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST, THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING OKAY.
AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DOCKET IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING WE, WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT I, I WOULD, I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU THAT WERE CHANGES SINCE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, CERTAINLY.
SO MR. PPE DID THIS, UH, PROPERTIES PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY ON THE ACCESS ROAD TO INTERSTATE 35, WHICH IS SUNKEN.
UH, THERE IS A TRAFFIC LIGHT, UH, SIGNAL LIGHTS THERE AT EIGHTH STREET AND THE, UH, AND 35, YES.
IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ANY, ANYWHERE, AT LEAST FROM THE GOOGLE VIEW.
UH, WOULD THE, WOULD THE PLAN CALL FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT, DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY THAT THERE WOULD BE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE THERE FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS? I, DAVE IS TELLING ME THAT THAT SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE, WOULD BE NECESSARY IN PART OF REDEVELOPMENT.
I, I, AS I'M UNDERSTANDING
CO COMMISSIONERS AND THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE VERY PRACTICAL.
A A PERSON ON A WHEELCHAIR SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND ON A FLAT SURFACE THAT MEASURES 48 BY 48 INCHES.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT DIMENSIONS THERE TODAY.
UH, THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT WITH AN ELBOW AND FACING IN THAT DIRECTION THEY'RE TRAVELING OR CROSSING AND REACH OUT TO A PUSH BUTTON.
UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STANDARD.
AND IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT WORK, WE MAY NEED TO RELOCATE THE MASTER ARM ITSELF.
UM, UH, THAT PLATFORM NEEDS TO BE BETWEEN SIX AND 10.
UH, BUT WE CAN BE UP TO 10 FEET AWAY FROM DETECTABLE WARNINGS, WHICH ARE NOT A DA
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COMPLIANT TODAY EITHER.SO ALL OF THOSE UPGRADES WOULD BE TRIGGERED AT PERMITTING WITH A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, WHETHER IT'S A, THE PROPOSED LAND USE OR, OR ANOTHER.
AND WOULD THAT BE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE DEVELOPER TO DO ALL OF THAT? 100% AT THE EXPENSE OF THE DEVELOPER.
UM, WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTIONS ON THE SORT OF ACCESS COMPONENT.
UM, I THINK WE MENTIONED, AND A COUPLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE BRIDGE, UM, NEW BRIDGE THAT'S PUT IN.
I'VE GONE TO GOOGLE MAPS 'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT RESOURCE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT NEW CROSSWAY IS ABOUT 12 FEET WIDE.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AT LEAST THE WIDTH OF A LANE OF TRAFFIC, IF NOT GREATER, WHERE JUST TO BEFORE YOU GO ON THE NEW TEXT WHERE YOU'RE CROSSING 35.
NEW, THE NEW TEXT COVERAGE, THE NEW TECH COVERAGE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, THERE'S MUCH LARGER PLANS FOR THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS INTEGRATES IN A LARGER REDEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR BOTH COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT ARE STRADDLING I 35.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE WE'RE FOCUSED ON, OKAY, HOW DOES THE CURRENT ACCESS ROAD WORK, HOW WOULD THIS PROJECT RELATE TO THAT? WHAT IS COMING ON THE WEST SIDE OF 35? AND, BUT THEN HOW DOES IT PLAY INTO THE LARGER KIND OF THOUGHT? AND I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD STAFF SAY IS THAT ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS IS THAT IT'S REMOVING THE WALKABLE MIXED USE, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY MORE URBAN.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP PEDESTRIAN OPPORTUNITIES, SAFETY CONTRIBUTE OVERALL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA.
AND SO I THINK THAT THE ZONING IS AN ASSET TO THE FUTURE OF THE AREA AS IT STANDS.
SO SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE STARTING TO BE LAYERED ON, NOT THAT CERTAINLY IT'S ALL CONCRETE NOW THAT CAN BE APPROVED, BUT I, I THINK WE'VE SEEN OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD THESE TYPES OF, UM, REDEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY'VE LAYERED IN ADDITIONAL, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, TREE PLANTERS, SHADE DEVICES VIA CANOPIES, OTHER THINGS THAT ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO IT.
SO MAYBE THERE'S A BALANCE IN HERE SOMEWHERE THAT WHILE LOOKING, LOOKING AT IT MORE HOLISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT IS A FRONTAGE TODAY, MAYBE IT'S NOT QUITE THERE, BUT NOT JUST REMOVING SOME OF THESE STANDARDS.
IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS REVIEWED WITH THE APPLICANT? Y YES, AND I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WILLING TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT THEY CAN AND THEY, THEY HAVE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES, BUT WE EVENTUALLY HIT POINT WHERE THERE'S JUST FUNDAMENTAL, NOT MUCH MORE WE CAN DO BECAUSE OF THE SMALL SIZE OF THE SITE.
A SMALL SIZE IS A BIG LIMITING FACTOR HERE BECAUSE IT'S A NARROW SITE AS IT IS.
AND THEN WE HAVE LARGE DRIVE LANES, WE HAVE PARKING.
THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE, THEY'RE, I, I MEAN PERSONALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE EFFORT TO, TO FIT ADDITIONAL BUFFERING, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, BUT IT, IT MAY NOT BE THERE.
AND I, I WILL JUST SAY, I KNOW I HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH ONLY COFFEE THAT CAME THROUGH THIS BODY PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO NOW, UM, OVER ON LEMON AT MOCKINGBIRD, IF ANYONE WANTS TO LOOK THAT ONE UP.
AND THEN I KNOW THERE'S A SIMILAR, I THINK, TYPE OF THESE ON HALL STREET AT 75.
IT'S ACTUALLY, I THINK EVEN A MORE COMPACT SITE THAN THIS IS.
AND, UM, I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE RELATED, UM, VEH VEHICULAR CIRCULATION ISSUES THAT CAN DEVELOP, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THE SITE IS LAID OUT.
UM, ONE FINAL QUESTION AND, AND IF YOU GUYS WANNA RESPOND TO IT.
'CAUSE I THINK MR. NAVARRO, YOU HELPED ME LOOK AT PARTICULARLY THE ONE THAT WAS ON LEMON, IF YOU RECALL THAT, BUT I THINK WE RECEIVED A LETTER THAT, UM, THERE WAS A, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH ON THIS OR IS THAT ANYTHING YOU'RE AWARE OF? AND IT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, WHICH I'M GLAD TO ASK.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS FOR THIS ONE.
I THINK I DID FORWARD ONE EMAIL THAT IMPLIED THAT THERE WASN'T, UH, BUT I WOULD LET THE APPLICANT, UH, OR COMMISSIONER CLARIFY IF THEY KNOW ANYMORE.
LIKE I SAID, AND I JUST, I'VE BEEN ENGAGED WITH, UM, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING, UM, DISTRICTS ON OTHER COMPONENTS AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, INTEREST IN BEING ENGAGED AS WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.
UM, I, I'M, I'M THINKING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS, UH, THIS SITE AND IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY DRIVE THROUGH THAT I KNOW.
AND IF STARBUCKS IS ANYTHING LIKE THE CHICKEN FILET THAT'S AT THE CORNER,
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MOCKINGBIRD IN CEDAR SPRING, THAT IS DRIVE THROUGH ONLY, IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY, IT'S THE SITE THERE LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF MUTUAL TO THAT AND IT'S, UH, HAS MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE LANES.UM, I THINK MY CONCERN IS JUST THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DO WHAT THE, WHAT IT, I DON'T HAVE NO DOUBT THAT TXDOT IS GOING TO, TDOT IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS OR A CITY OF DALLAS, WHOEVER MAKE COMING FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE JUST ABOVE THE TIME.
SO IS THAT WHEN, WHEN DO, WHEN DO THE CITY OF DALLAS OR TXDOT MEETS THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST THE FIRST TO DO IT, BUT WE KNOW THAT ALL THAT LAND ALONG THAT CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF GOING KIND OF VACANT FOR THE TIME BEING WHERE THOSE BUSINESSES, LIKE IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE HOLD OUT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S COMING AND THE BRIDGE IS, AND THE, AND THE PARK IS, UH, TRIGGERING IT.
SO I MEAN, HOW DO I THINK I'M ASKING, UM, MR NUMBER? YEAH, I'M ASKING YOU LIKE WHY IS IT, BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE COMING AND THEY'RE HAVING TO COME FOR A DA AND ALL THOSE USES, BUT THEY'RE NOT THERE BECAUSE THERE IS A REDESIGN FACTOR GOING ON ON, ON 35 IN THAT SECTION.
SO WHAT DO YOU, OR DO YOU KNOW, OR HAVE AN ESTIMATE WHEN IS THIS, WHEN IS TEXTILE IS DOING THAT, IS GOING TO DO THAT, RIGHT? OR WHEN DO, WHEN IS THOSE IMPROVEMENTS COMING OR HAVE THAT BEEN TALKED ABOUT? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
IF I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, WHEN, IF, IF, IF ANY OF THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES ARE SLATED FOR IMPROVEMENTS, UH, EITHER T DOT OR THE CITY, WE KNOW THAT THEY, THEY ARE, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE PLAN FOR THE GATEWAY AND IT EXPANDS DOWN THAT, THAT SECTION.
SO WHEN IS THAT PROPOSED? IS THAT, WHEN IS THAT SUPPOSED TO COME? I, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE ARE ANY SIGNAL UPGRADES AT THIS CORNER OR SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD NORTH OF EIGHTH STREET.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT YOU'RE OF THE APPEAL, IT APPEARS THAT IT APPEARS ON THE PLANS FOR THE GATEWAY THAT THEY, THAT THERE IS SIDEWALKS, AMENITIES COMING AS FAR AS THAT, THAT FAR BACK.
I'M, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THIS SPECIFIC BLOCK IS INCLUDED FOR ANY UPGRADES, BUT I CAN, UM, IF IF THE COMMISSION IN YOUR STONE MIND I CAN FIND AN ANSWER AND, AND GET BACK TO YOU IF YOU COULD IN A FEW MINUTES.
UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIME WHEN THEY DO THAT FLOATING, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS SOMETIMES IT'S THEIR, UH, BUT A LOT, A LOT OF TIME ON WHERE THERE'S IMPROVEMENTS, THEY PUT THAT THEY'RE TEMPORARY UNTIL THEY START ADDING THOSE AMENITIES IN.
THE FLOATING, UH, LIGHTS, I MEAN, YEAH, FLOAT LIGHTS, I KNOW LIKE CROSS, WE HAVE 'EM RIGHT NOW IN SOUTH DALLAS, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE TEXTILE IS STILL DOING WORK ALONG, UM, UM, SW RIGHT.
SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF THING GOING ON RIGHT NOW, BUT WE ALSO SEEN THE PLANS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING THOSE LIGHTS IN BECAUSE THEY DID THE, THEY'RE STILL DOING THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY STILL DOING THE WALKABILITY ALONG SM RIGHT.
WELL, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF OF WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE INCLUDED OR, OR, OR WHETHER OR NOT THIS, THIS BLOCK IS INCLUDED IN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
I'LL FIND OUT AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
IN GENERAL THOUGH, WHEN WE ARE REVIEWING PLANS, UH, THE FIRST THING WE WANNA KNOW IS IF THE CITY HAS ANY, ANY PROPOSED UPGRADES.
UM, ONE GREAT NEWS THAT CAME OUT OF THE CITY RECENTLY IS THAT THERE'S A CONSOLIDATION OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
THAT THOSE ARE, THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT NEWS TO US IN OUR DIVISION BECAUSE, UH, 'CAUSE WE COLLABORATE WITH BOTH.
AND, AND WHEN ONE DEPARTMENT IS GOING OUT THERE TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS AND THEN THE OTHER DEPARTMENT IS GOING OUT THERE INSTALLING, UM, RAMPS AND THEN I'M FOLLOWING CITY STANDARDS AND ASKING A DEVELOPER TO DO SOMETHING ELSE BASED ON THOSE STANDARDS, DEVELOPERS VERY OFTEN COME BACK TO US SAYING, WHY AM I ASKING TO CONSTRUCT A WIDER SIDEWALK WHEN THE CITY DIDN'T? AND SO I THINK, I THINK IF I MAY JUST ADD PARENTHETICAL, THAT'S GREAT NEWS FOR THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE, IT'S A UNIFIED, UH, FORCE, UM, LIKE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND INPUT.
BUT, BUT SPECIFICALLY HERE, UH, IF, IF THE CITY HAS IMPROVEMENTS SLATED FOR, UH, FOR, FOR THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE WOULD LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THEIR PLANS.
WE WOULD NOT ASK A DEVELOPER TO DO UPGRADES IF THE CITY ALREADY HAS PLANS FOR, OR TECH STOCK HAS PLANS TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS NOW, HOWEVER, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE IS READY FOR, UH, PEDESTRIANS WHEN IT OPENS.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO EXACTLY.
WE COORDINATE WITH THE CITY IN FIGURING OUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT.
CAN WE HAVE A TEMPORARY CONDITION WHILE THE CITY HAS, UM, BIGGER PLANS.
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UM, ULTIMATELY PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.SO, 'CAUSE I THAT, THAT IS A TOTAL CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE I DO TRAVEL THAT QUITE A BIT, GOING BACK AND FORTH TO THE, UM, TO JEFFERSON AND TO THE TAX OFFICE IN THAT AREA.
I JUST COULD YOU MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT GOING ON AROUND, ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT IS CALLING FOR WALKABILITY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES COMING UP, A LOT OF THINGS IS HAPPENING.
AND SO PUTTING THE, THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY HAVE FOR COVID CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT THE CITY, WHAT IS THAT PROPOSAL? 'CAUSE SOMETHING SHOULD BE, BE PROPOSED.
YOU HAVE THE CHILDREN, YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF THAT'S GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, UP AND COMING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEVELOPERS ALONE SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT COST.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE SEC.
UM, MR. PEPE, YOU AWARE THAT THE DECK PARK THAT'S BEING BUILT AT THIS LOCATION, UH, THAT MAIN FRAME OF IT WAS STITCHING BACK, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT 35 SPLIT APART? YES.
SO YOU ARE AWARE THAT THERE ARE NEIGHBORS ON EACH SIDE OF THIS, A MIDDLE SCHOOL ON ONE SIDE, A HIGH SCHOOL ON ANOTHER SIDE, DAYCARE THAT ALL INTERCHANGE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
UM, AND, AND IT, YOU, I HEARD YOU MENTION PEDESTRIANS AND STUDENTS EARLIER.
UM, WAS THAT A, WERE YOU MADE AWARE OF THOSE TWO THINGS? Y YES, I CERTAINLY CAN PROJECT AND ANECDOTALLY OBSERVES A LOT OF CROSSING OF THE HIGHWAY HERE ON FOOT BY WHATEVER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, UH, COMMISSIONER'S ITEM NUMBER 14 IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO, UM, AUGUST 8TH.
ALSO GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO AUGUST 22ND.
THERE IS NO BRIEFING ON THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA CIRCLE BACK TO, UH, FOR A QUESTION FOR, FOR YOU SIR.
BACK ON, UH, CASE NUMBER, WHAT WAS THAT CHAIR IF I MAY, BEFORE MR. IRWIN ON THE AUTHORIZED HEARING? CAN I JUST CLARIFY THAT? SURE.
THIS IS COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO, NOT COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO AND SIX.
THERE'S JUST AN ARTICLE 10 CONSIDERATION RELEVANT TO THIS ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AWARE OF.
UH, MR. IRWIN, WHAT IS THE ARTICLE 10 APPLICABILITY REQUIRING A UTILITY COMPANY TO REPLANT TREES, UH, UNDER THE, UH, CITY ORDINANCE UNDER THE DEFENSES TO PROSECUTION UNDER 10.140.
THE EXPANSION OF A PUBLIC UTILITY, UH, IS A DEFENSE TO PROSECUTION FOR THE REMOVAL OF TREES FOR MITIGATION.
SO THERE IS NO ARTICLE 10 TREE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE SUB SUBSTATION.
SO UNDER THAT INTERPRETATION, THIS APPLICANT IS NOT REQUIRED TO REPLANT THE TREES THAT THEY REMOVE IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE SUBSTATION.
THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED BY ORDINANCE TO REPLACE THOSE TREES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
HAVE A GOOD LUNCH AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK AT 1230 FOR THE HEARING.
MS. LOPEZ, CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN? I'M HERE.
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COMMISSIONER BLAIR PRESENT.COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 25TH, 2020 4, 12 38.
WELCOME TO THE HEARING OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
UH, WE'LL ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
UH, WE'LL ASK OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING.
WE MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, THAT IS STATE LAW AND ALSO OUR RULES ALLOWED TO ADJUST, UH, THE NUMBER OF MINUTES WE GIVE TO EACH SPEAKER, UH, PER CASE.
AND WE WILL BE DOING THAT TODAY.
SOME CASES WE'LL GO WITH THREE, SOME CASES, TWO AND SOME CASES ONE MINUTE.
UH, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
UH, ALSO THERE'S SOME LITTLE YELLOW CARDS DOWN, DOWN HERE IN THE FRONT, UH, TO YOUR RIGHT.
UH, PLEASE, AT SOME POINT TODAY, TAKE THE TIME TO FILL ONE OF THOSE OUT SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
UH, AND WITH THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE DO HAVE AGENDAS HERE IF YOU NEED A COPY SO YOU CAN KEEP TRACK RIGHT THERE.
THE GENTLEMAN IS PICKING ONE UP AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES (Part 1 of 2)]
COMMISSIONERS, I THINK THERE'S SOME REVISED MINUTES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, CIRCULATED.DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THOSE OR DO WE NEED SOME TIME TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I HAD SENT ONE ADDITIONAL CORRECTION.
UM, MS. LOPEZ, DID THAT GET RECIRCULATED? UM, UH, YOLANDA IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON SENDING THE REVISED, UH, VERSION OF THAT, BUT YES, SHE, SHE RECEIVED IT.
I THINK WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL CORRECTION COMING MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU VERY MR. COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL TAKE THOSE UP, UH, AT A LATER TIME.
[15. 24-2237 Consideration of amending Chapter 51A, the Dallas Development Code, with consideration to be given to amending Section 51A-3.102, “Board of Adjustment”; Section 51A-4.701, “Zoning Amendments”; Section 51A-4.703, “Board of Adjustment Hearing Procedures”; Section 51A-4.704, “Nonconforming Uses and Structures”; and related sections with consideration to be given to amending the notice requirements for zoning cases and code amendments that may result in the creation of a nonconforming use and the requirements for initiating and conducting a board of adjustment hearing to establish a compliance date pursuant to the requirements of Texas Senate Bill 929, 88th Legislature]
UH, COMMISSIONERS AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE MOVING UP ONE ITEM, UH, THE CODE AMENDMENT.SO THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 15 AND WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE FOLKS, UH, NOW.
UH, BUT JUST FYI THE CASE WILL BE HELD.
THE MATTER WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 22ND.
WE GET THAT RIGHT IN PLEASE? MM-HMM,
ALRIGHT, UM, ITEM 15 IS DCA 2 2 3 0 0 8 CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING CHAPTER 51 A.
THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO AMENDING SECTION 51, A 3.102 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SECTION 51 A 4.701 ZONING AMENDMENTS SECTION 51 A 4.703 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING PROCEDURES SECTION 51, A 4.704, AND NON-CONFORMING USES AND STRUCTURES AND RELATED SECTIONS WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO AMENDING THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING CASES AND CODE AMENDMENTS THAT MAY RESULT IN THE CREATION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INITIATING AND CONDUCTING A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING TO ESTABLISH A COMPLIANCE STATE.
PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF SENATE BILL 9 2 9 88, THE LEGISLATURE, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF ZO X RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 22ND.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THIS ITEM.
I, SO WE HAVE OUR FIRST SPEAKER.
WE'RE GONNA GO FOR, UH, TWO MINUTES ON THIS ITEM.
MS. LOPEZ WILL KEEP TIME AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.
I LIVE AT 2 8 3 3 PROVINCE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 2 8.
I'M THE CO-CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF DOWN WINDERS AT RISK AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE NON-PROFIT BASED HERE IN DALLAS.
I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM AND IN SUPPORT OF RESIDENTS LIVING IN FRONTLINE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE COMMUNITIES THAT NEED TO RETAIN THE RIGHT TO REMOVE DANGEROUS NONCONFORMING USES FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT GOES BEYOND THE SCOPE OF SB 9 29 IN LIMITING MEANINGFUL RESIDENT PARTICIPATION IN THE COMPLIANCE PROCESS.
THIS CODE AMENDMENT IS TOO IMPORTANT TO LEAVE IN THE HANDS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALONE, AND IT HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF FORWARD DALLAS AND UNDERMINES ANY SINCERE ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES IN OUR CITY TODAY.
FOR THAT REASON, WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING, KEEP THE ABILITY OF RESIDENTS TO FILE FOR COMPLIANCE PROCEEDINGS, KEEP THE HARM HEARING FIRST, TO ASSESS IF THERE IS
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HARM, AND THEN DETERMINE THE COST OF THE REMEDY.CREATE AN IN INVENTORY OF NON-CONFORMING LAND USES THAT ARE POTENTIALLY CAUSING HARM, AND PROACTIVELY CALCULATE THE COST OF REMOVAL, BOTH IN TERMS OF TIME AND MONEY.
RANK THOSE HAZARDOUS NON-CONFORMING USES BASED ON ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE CRITERIA, AND PROACTIVELY SEEK THEIR REMOVAL IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE CODE BUDGET FOR THEIR REMOVAL, AND CREATE ATTACKS ON NON-CONFORMING USES THAT THE CITY HAS FAILED TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE FOR DECADES AT THE EXPENSE OF RESIDENT HEALTH AND SAFETY.
BE STRATEGIC AND REMOVE NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS FOR POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT HAVE HARMED COMMUNITIES FOR DECADES.
THIS REMOVES THE BURDEN OF PAYING A USE OUT AND COULD ALIGN WITH THE GOALS OF ORBIT DALLAS.
THIS UNDERMINES THE LAND USE GOALS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS WHEN IT COMES TO ADDRESSING LEGACY ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM IN COMMUNITIES LIKE PY WEST DALLAS, AND OTHERS.
AND IT REMOVES A FUNDAMENTAL TOOL TO ADDRESS QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS ENDLESSLY PERPETUATED BY HAZARDOUS NONCONFORMING USES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON DOWN THERE FOR THE MICROPHONE.
ROB HOGUE, 71 26 LA VISTA DRIVE, DALLAS.
I'M IN OPPOSITION TO FORWARD DALLAS 2.0, THE US AND TEXAS CONSTITUTIONS, SIR.
WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT ON THAT ITEM YET.
WE'RE, WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 15.
SO YEAH, WE, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO YOU.
WE'RE TAKING, UH, SPEAKERS NOW ON ITEM 15.
VERY GOOD FOR DALLAS WILL BE NEXT RIGHT AFTER THIS ITEM.
YES, WE'RE, WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 15 AND, UH, THE FOR DALLAS PIECE WILL BE RIGHT AFTER THIS.
I'M A RESIDENT OF THE JAPI FRIEDMAN COMMUNITY ADDRESS 47 51 NOME STREET.
CAMELY, A PRIVILEGE AND AN HONOR TO BE BEFORE YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON AN ISSUE THAT HAS PLAGUED DALLAS FOR DECADES.
BUT AS WE LOOK OVER THE PLAN, UH, MY COMMUNITY FEELS THAT, UH, EVERYTHING LIES IS HANGING ON THE CONTINGENT OF FUNDS BEING AVAILABLE, WHICH IS A SLAP IN THE FACE WHEN COMPANIES HAS BEEN MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THIS DAY.
WE ASK THAT YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE, UH, THINK ABOUT THE LIVES THAT ARE BEING LOST EACH AND EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF THESE INDUSTRIES THAT ARE OPERATING AROUND CITIZENS, AROUND COMMUNITIES, WITH PEOPLE IN THEM.
WE HAVE COM, WE HAVE INSTITUTIONS LIKE TEXAS A AND M HAS GIVEN US INFORMATION THAT JPI IS THE 11 POLLUTED COMMUNITY IN THE UNITED STATES.
THEY HAVE GIVEN US THE WIND WHERE AND WHO, UH, TECHNOLOGY HAS STEPPED OUT BEFORE US AND, AND IS ALLOW AND ALLOWING US TO SEE THAT IT IS AFFECTING US.
SO WE ASK THAT IN THIS, IN IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE, THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PLAN AND MAKE THE DECISION THAT CLOSES DOWN THESE INDUSTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTING PEOPLE FOR DECADES.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT HERE TO BLAME WHY IT HAPPENED, WHO DID IT.
I AM AT 1 0 3 0 CEDAR HILL AVENUE IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 7 5 2 0 8.
I ECHO A LOT OF WHAT THE PEOPLE BEFORE ME HAVE SAID.
QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES OR HOW THE DIFFERENT KIND OF WAYS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING WERE DYING.
YOU KNOW, THE AIR THAT THEY BREATHE, THE TOXINS THAT THEY BREATHE ARE AFFECTING THEIR BRAIN, THEIR HEART, AND THEIR LUNGS.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE X AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT I'VE GONE BEFORE A PUBLIC COMMITTEE STATING THIS, AND I JUST HOPE SOMETHING IS DONE.
UM, WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU LOOK AT THE KIDS PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND, YOU LOOK AT THE KIDS, UH, MOST ALL OF THEM HAVE INHALERS.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THEM.
YOU KNOW, US SPEAKING UP HERE, WE CAN DO SO, BUT IN BEING IN THESE COMMUNITIES OUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS, IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT ANYONE IS DOING SOMETHING.
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THAT'S ALL THAT THESE PEOPLE ASK FOR.GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE AT 28 21 BEDFORD STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, M 5 2 1 2, AND I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THIS ITEM.
APPLICATION SHOULD BE ACCEPTED FROM RESIDENTS REGARDLESS OF AVAILABLE FUNDS.
WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF A BUSINESS NEXT DOOR TO US IS CAUSING HARM.
AND FOLLOW YOUR OWN CITY CODE TO ELIMINATE NON-CONFORMING USES THAT ARE CAUSING HARM.
WE WOULD NOT NEED THIS TOOL IF THE CITY HAD FOLLOWED ITS OWN CODE.
COMMUNITIES LIKE MINE IN WEST DALLAS ARE IN NEED OF THIS PROCESS TO GET RID OF DANGEROUS POLLUTERS, WREAKING HAVOC IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
WE JUST HAD A STUDY DONE IN MY COMMUNITY.
WE'RE BREATHING IN 11 TIMES MORE TOXIC PN 2.5 POLLUTION THAN THE REST OF DALLAS COUNTY.
WE HAVE FOUR TO FIVE TIMES MORE RATE OF ASTHMA THAN THE REST OF DALLAS COUNTY.
PUT OUR HEALTH FIRST, AND PLEASE OPPOSE WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THUS FAR, MAKE THIS PROCESS EQUITABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES IN OUR CITY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THE SIDE BEFORE WE GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
WE BEGIN WITH, UH, MR. DAVIS, NOT ONLINE.
I'M TRYING TO, UM, OPEN MY CAMERA.
ADDRESS IS 7 1 8 CRESTED COVE DRIVE 7 5 0 4 0.
UM, I'M HERE SPEAKING AS A BOARD MEMBER OF DOW WINDERS AT RISK AND SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO ITEM 15 ABOUT NON-CONFORMING USES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND AGAIN, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES AND ALLIES HAVE, UM, I THAT THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME I'M HERE SPEAKING, UM, FOR THEIR HEALTH, FOR THEIR RIGHTS BECAUSE THE CURRENT PROPOSAL SHOWS NO MEANINGFUL CHANGE TO RESOLVE THE RACIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL INEQUITIES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY.
UM, I THINK SIMPLY STATED, EVERY PERSON SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW IF NON-CONFORMING USES ARE CAUSING THEM HARM TO THEIR HEALTH.
EVERY PERSON SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO FILE, UM, AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE HELD HOSTAGE ON FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW OTHER WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, REWORD THESE STATEMENTS, BUT I HOPE THAT, UM, SEEING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ONLINE AND IN PERSON WILL, UM, HELP GUIDE YOUR OPINIONS IN HOW TO ADDRESS THIS CASE.
IS, UH, MS. MILLER ONLINE? OH, THAT'S THE WRONG ONE.
UH, CALEB ROBERTS, 2 8 4 7 ALABAMA AVENUE.
UM, I AM ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF
I'M SPEAKING OF OPPOSITION OF THIS, UH, A LOT BECAUSE OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID ALREADY BECAUSE IT PREVENTS RESIDENTS, UH, FROM BEING ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
I THINK WE MADE GREAT PROGRESS IN THINGS LIKE FOR DALLAS AND BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.
UM, SO I THINK AS RESPONSE TO SENATE BILL 9 2 9, WHAT THE CITY HAS DECIDED TO DO IS TOO FAR, UH, OF A PUSH.
UM, I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS FOR MAKING SURE RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK WITH THEIR CITY ABOUT IT.
AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO REPEAL SOME OF THOSE THINGS, TO BRING IT BACK TO A SPACE OF YOU CAN'T ASK WHAT'S HAPPENING.
YOU DON'T HAVE A A, A TRUTH, UH, MEETING WITH THE CITY.
AND I THINK THAT IS NOT WHAT SENATE BILL 9 2 9 SAYS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY OF DALLAS IS SAYING.
AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT SPACE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO KEEP THAT, UH, MEETING ABOUT HARM.
AND THEN THE CITY SHOULD CREATE A WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE HARMFUL INDUSTRIES.
I KNOW THAT THE, THE STATE RULING DEFINITELY THROWS A WRENCH INTO HOW THINGS WERE ACTING BEFOREHAND, BUT THAT DOESN'T
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STOP THE CITY FROM HAVING SOME TYPE OF FUND OR WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, UH, IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND IT WILL BE A SHAME IF NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO A SPACE OF NO ONE KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE UNABLE TO SAY, AND RESIDENTS ARE UNABLE TO COME TO THE TABLE AND WORK WITH THE CITY TO GET HARMFUL INDUSTRIES OUT OF HERE.
WE PRESENTED THE FACTS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE'S HEALTH IS IMPACTED, AND I THINK WE WANT THE CITY TO BE PARTNERS, UM, AND, AND BE A LITTLE CREATIVE IN HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS.
UM, INSTEAD OF TAKING SENATE BILL 9 2 9 AND, UH, ADDING FEATURES THAT JUST LIMIT PARTICIPATION FROM RESIDENTS, I THINK OUR ORGANIZATION AND ORGANIZATIONS WE WORK WITH HAVE UTILIZED THE RESIDENTS POWER TO THE FULLEST.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.
Y'ALL SEE ME RIGHT? UM, SO MY NAME, GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS LAURA QUIN, THREE 30 LAKEWOOD DRIVE, AND I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER OF NOW WONDER AT RISK.
I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS CODE REGARDING THE, THE PROCESS OF NON-CONFORMING BUSINESSES.
THE SUGGESTIONS TO RESTRICT RESIDENTS OF THE RIGHT TO FILE FOR AMORTIZATION AND TO RESTRICT APPLICATIONS BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY OF CITY FUNDS ARE DEEPLY CONCERNING.
THESE CHANGES CARRY RACIAL UNDERTONES THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED AS THEY DISPROPORTIONATELY ENDANGER THE HEALTH AND THE WELLBEING OF BLACK AND BROWN RESIDENTS WHO ALREADY MORE LIKELY TO BE EXPOSED TO ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS.
THE REQUIREMENT FOR CITY FUNDING BEFORE CONSIDERING ANY APPLICATION COULD ALLOW NON-CONFORMING BUSINESSES TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES LIKE SINGLETON UNITED, DESPITE THE HARM THAT THEY CAUSE.
THIS NOT ONLY JEOPARDIZES THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THESE COMMUNITIES, BUT ALSO PERPETUATES A FORM OF ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM THAT YOU AS GOVERNMENTAL REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, ARE DUTY BOUND TO PREVENT.
YOU ALL HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT AND SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, NOT TO PROTECT AND SERVE THE POCKETBOOKS OF CEOS FROM NEW JERSEY OR NEW YORK.
IT IS CRUCIAL TO RECOGNIZE THAT SB 9 29 WAS SHAPED BY LOBBYISTS TO PRIORITIZE PROFITS OVER THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE.
WHILE ME WHO MUST ADHERE TO SB 9 29, WE MUST ALSO ENSURE THAT OUR LOCAL POLICIES DO NOT AGGRAVATE THE ISSUES THAT SUCH LOBBYING SOUGHT TO PERPETUATE.
LET US NOT FORGET THAT WE HAVE THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE HOUSING POLICY 2033, AND THE UPCOMING FORWARD DALLAS.
ALL THAT EMPHASIZE A PROTECTION AND COMMITMENT FOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITIES TO HAVE THAT HAVE BEEN MARGINALIZED BY RACIST ZONING PRACTICES AND POLICIES.
AS YOU DELIBERATE, I IMPLORE YOU TO THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
AMORTIZATION CAN BE SHAPED INTO A MORE INCLUSIVE AND JUST PRACTICE THAT CAN BE USED AS A TOOL TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN
IT'S A CRUCIAL MOMENT IN DALLAS HISTORY.
THANK, I HOPE YOU MAKE A GREAT DECISION.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE, GEORGE, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.
UH, IN THE MATTER OF DCA, UM, 0 0 2 2 3 0 0 8.
SHOULD HAVE, UH, I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 22ND.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[2. 24-2214 Public hearing to receive comments on the ForwardDallas 2.0 Comprehensive plan and consideration of an ordinance adopting the ForwardDallas 2.0 Comprehensive plan.]
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS.NOW WE'LL SWING BACK TO, UH, THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.
WE'LL BEGIN TO TAKE, UH, PUBLIC INPUT ON THE FORWARD DALLAS UPDATE.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS ON THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 COMPREHENSIVE
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PLAN AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. GILIS.
UH, WE'RE NOW READY TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS ITEM.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH ONE ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER.
MS. LOPEZ, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.
WE'LL, PLEASE ASK YOU TO BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
HELLO, ED ZARA, 1003 VALENCIA, DALLAS FOR DALLAS.
TWO OH IS NOT READY FOR COUNSEL.
ONE CURRENT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING ALLOWS ONLY ONE UTILITY SERVICE PER LOT AND MUST BE PRESERVED.
MULTIFAMILY USES ARE ILLEGAL LAND USE AND NOT ALLOWED.
YOUR 10 TO FOUR MULTIPLEX VOTE SHOWS YOU CARE MORE ABOUT HIGH DENSITY THAN DEED RESTRICTIONS.
YOU TOLD US ON JULY 11TH THAT FORWARD DALLAS IS NOT A ZONING DOCUMENT, BUT THE NEWS STATED FORWARD DALLAS IS A GUIDE FOR FUTURE ZONING DECISIONS MADE FOR THE CITY IF FORWARD DALLAS TWO OH PASSA CITY COUNCIL, ALL 285,000 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED OWNERS REQUIRE WRITTEN NOTIFICATION OF A ZONING CHANGE, PUBLIC OF MEETINGS, AND MAJORITY VOTE TO PASS IT PER THE CITY ATTORNEY.
EVERY REALTOR REALTOR MUST ALSO BE NOTIFIED.
A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IS GONE.
THEY MUST DISCLOSE TO BUYERS THAT MULTI-FAMILY UNIT COULD BE BUILT NEXT DOOR.
HELLO, SUBURBS FORWARD DALLAS TOA WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
SEND IT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
UH, MATT BACH, 1 5 7 4 6 COVID CIRCLE.
UM, I'VE SPENT THE LAST 30 YEARS TRYING TO PROTECT AND ENHANCE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALL THAT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT IF THE CURRENT VERSION OF FORWARD DALLAS IS ADOPTED.
ALTHOUGH FORWARD DALLAS HAS MANY GOOD ASPECTS AND THE POTENTIAL TO BE A USEFUL PLAN PLANNING DOCUMENT, IT NEEDS TO BE EDITED TO REMOVE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, AND TOWN HOMES AS PRIMARY LAND USES IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE SOLUTION WOULD BE SIMPLY ADD A PLACE TYPE FOR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, AND ADD A SECOND PLACE TYPE FOR HIGHER LEVEL DENSITY THAT WOULD INCLUDE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEX, AND TOWN HOMES.
I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE NEEDS OF PROJECTED STATISTICAL RESIDENTS WOULD BE GIVEN PRIORITY OVER EXISTING HOMEOWNERS.
MANY WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 10, 20, 30 YEARS PAY TAXES AND WORK TO CREATE DALLAS'S WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOODS.
AS CITIZENS OF DALLAS, WE LOOK TO YOU, THE CITY LEADERS TO HELP US PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
CLEARLY THERE ARE PORTIONS OF FORWARD DALLAS THAT ARE WORTH SUPPORTING, LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.
MY OPPOSITION IS ABOUT TREATMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH YOU WANNA WEAKEN AND TAKE OUT FROM UNDER US.
DEVELOPERS WILL CITE FORWARD DALLAS TO JUSTIFY ZONING CHANGES BECAUSE IT ALLOWS EVERYTHING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, TOWNHOUSES, MULTIPLEX, APARTMENTS, RETAIL, RESTAURANTS AS PRIMARY OR SECONDARY USES WITH FUTURE THREATS FROM COTTAGE COURTS, TINY HOMES AND ADUS BY RIGHT.
LISTEN TO THE MAJORITY OPPOSED TO PLACING DENSITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
DO YOU REPRESENT DALLAS HOMEOWNERS OR INVESTORS, DEVELOPERS AND THEIR PAID LOBBYISTS? WILL CCPC SUPPORT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS? WHEN THIS ENCOURAGES ZONING CHANGES? WILL DALLAS CODES BE CHANGED TO BE PRO DENSITY WITHOUT REGARD TO CONSEQUENCES OF INCREASED RENT, HOUSING COSTS, GENTRIFICATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE PROVE YOU ARE LISTENING.
EXEMPT SINGLE FAMILY ZONE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PUT DENSITY WHERE DENSITY BELONGS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'M SUE BACH AT 1 5 7 4 6 COVE WOOD CIRCLE IN DALLAS.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE ADOPTION OF FORWARD DALLAS IN ITS PRESENT FORM.
SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS MUST BE PROTECTED FROM ZONING CHANGES THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CO-MINGLING OF ADUS AND MULTIPLEXES ALLOWING MULTIPLEX HOUSING UNITS TO BE CONSTRUCTED UNCHECKED WILL PUT A STRAIN ON CITY SERVICES, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.
PARKING ALONE WILL BE OVERWHELMING AND THE SENSE OF A CLOSE-KNIT COMMUNITY WILL BE LOST.
PLEASE DON'T ALLOW DEVELOPERS GREED TO UNDERMINE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, PATIENCE, AND COURTESY AS YOU WEIGH THIS SERIOUS AND IMPACTFUL
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DECISION.I'M KAREN ROBERTS, 5 0 2 CAMERON AVENUE.
SINCE LAST FALL, I HAVE ATTENDED MORE THAN A DOZEN MEETINGS OF FORWARD DALLAS.
WHEN I DISCUSSED MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ZONE AS A PD, THE PLANNER TOLD ME WE WOULD BE PROTECTED.
MULTIPLEXES ARE PLANNED FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING STAFF FREQUENTLY STRESSED HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS THEY'VE HELD AND ALL THE MEETINGS I ATTENDED.
99% OF THOSE PRESENT SAID THEY WANT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING PROTECTED.
YET HERE WE ARE NEARLY A YEAR LATER WITH NO PROTECTION FOR OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, NO PROTECTION FOR OUR EXISTING HOUSING.
WHY ARE PLANNERS AND SOME LEADERS NOT RESPONDING TO US? WHY DID 10 CPC MEMBERS VOTE AGAINST HOMEOWNERS AT THE LAST MEETING? WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY.
WHICH, WHICH ARE SOME OF THE, WE ARE STILL HERE FIGHTING FOR THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOUSING, WHICH ARE SOME OF THE MOST AFFORDABLE IN DALLAS.
BUILD A CONSENSUS, PROTECT OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORS AND WE WILL ALL AGREE.
GOOD MORNING, BRIAN TONY, 1500 PECOS STREET.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS HOUSING COALITION, ARE 235 MEMBERS TODAY.
THEY WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO STAY THE COURSE.
WE SEE THE WORK YOU'RE PUTTING IN.
WE KNOW THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT YOU'VE HELD AND MEETINGS IN MANY OF YOUR OWN DISTRICTS.
AND THIS PLAN DOES MEET THE GOALS FOR ALL OF DALLAS.
WE WANT APPROPRIATE HOUSING, WE WANT THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED BETTER PUBLIC SERVICES, AND WE NEED ACCESSIBLE COMMUNITIES.
ALL THAT CAN BE BROUGHT TOGETHER BY THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE CANNOT BAN MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING FROM A VISIONARY DOCUMENT IN THE YEAR 2024.
THANK YOU TOM DUPRE, 51 32, BE REEF DRIVE TO ALICE, TEXAS.
RECENTLY, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN THREATENED BY SINGLE MOUNT SUGAR SHINGLE MOUNTAIN POKER ROOM, SHORT TERM RENTALS, INCREASED APARTMENT DENSITY, DENSITY, THE NEED FOR ENHANCED NEIGHBORHOOD PATROLS, AND THE TEARING UP OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BY THE COTTON BELT RAILWAY.
I'VE BEEN TOLD BY UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICERS THAT THE ONLY PARK WITHIN A 10 MINUTE DRIVE FROM MY HOUSE IS A PLACE THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE IN THOUGH IT'S A MERE MILE FROM MY HOUSE.
WE HAVE SHOOTINGS EVERY WEEK, PARTIES EVERY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE LOCAL CAR WASH, HOSTED BY A DPD CALLS VENEZUELAN GANGS.
WE HAVE A NATIONAL CRISIS WITH MILLIONS OF UNVETTED IMMIGRANTS CROSSING OUR BORDERS WITH HOMELESS PANHANDLER AND TENT CITIES ON EVERY CORNER.
DESPITE ALL THIS, THE CITY OF DALLAS WANTS TO FURTHER DESTROY THE SANCTITY OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF THIS IS THE ULTIMATE DIRECTION THE CITY NEEDS TO TAKE, THEN LET'S LOOK AT OTHER SOLUTIONS.
WHILE THIS IS PUT ON HOLD UNTIL THINGS STABILIZE, IT IS A SENSIBLE THING TO DO AND YOU WILL ALL SLEEP BETTER FOR IT.
SETH 14 220 HUGHES LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS DISTRICT 11.
I'M A 40 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MY WIFE AND I.
AND, UM, I AGREE WITH THE OPPOSITION TO THIS PO PROPOSAL.
UH, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU COULD ADD SOME LANGUAGE TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND YOU WOULD FIND A LOT OF SUPPORT HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MELANIE VAN LANDINGHAM, 63 11 LAKESHORE.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT EVENTUAL ZONING CHANGES, DEVELOPER WINDFALLS AND PROFITS.
IN FACT, YOU VOTED 10 TO FOUR AGAINST PROTECTING DALLAS HOMEOWNERS RESIDENTS FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS AND ACROSS ALL YOUR DISTRICTS.
IF RESIDENT INPUT IS IMPORTANT AT CITY HALL AS YOU CLAIM, THEN LISTEN.
DALLAS RESIDENTS IN THE 258,000 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES DO NOT WANT INFILLED DENSITY TO THREATEN THEIR HOMES, NEIGHBORHOODS AND FAMILIES FUTURES AT TOWN HALLS, THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS STOOD IN SOLIDARITY AGAINST THE HOUSING CHANGES YOU PROPOSE IN FOR DALLAS.
AND WE WILL BE HERE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOODS, PAYING TAXES AND VOTING.
PROVIDE AN EXEMPTION TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY AS THE MUCH NEEDED AND IN DEMAND HOUSING OPTION THAT IT IS OVERLY DENSE DEVELOPMENT AND SACRIFICING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
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PUT FORWARD DALLAS HOUSING.THANK YOU FOR US DENSITY OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THANK YOU, YOU FOR JOINING US.
COOKIE PEDEN 71 11 DEBBIE DRIVE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 5 2.
SOME COMPONENTS OF FORWARD DALLAS REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ARE LONG OVERDUE AND SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND ENHANCED.
HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WOULD DEVASTATE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ILL-ADVISED THE DOCUMENT FAILS TO RECOGNIZE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES INHERENT WITH INTERSPERSING OTHER LAND USE TYPES WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY.
WE ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING SUBURBAN FLIGHT TO SISTER CITIES WHO ARE COMMITTED TO PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF AFFORDABILITY, IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT PEOPLE, INCLUDING BUSINESSES AND CEOS LOOKING TO RELOCATE THEIR FAMILIES AND BUSINESSES TO DALLAS DECISION MAKERS.
LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION, ART AND CULTURAL AMENITIES.
PARKS GREAT SCHOOLS, EXCUSE ME, AND SAFETY.
THESE ARE ALL SIGNIFICANT THINGS AND THEY ARE PART OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY CAN RESIDE IN OTHER ADJACENT CITIES.
AND STILL ENJOY THE AMENITIES OF DALLAS.
THANK YOU FOR PORTIONS OF THIS DOCUMENT.
ANGELA MADANO, 2331 DOUGLAS AVENUE.
I SUPPORT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.
I DON'T SUPPORT OUR HOUSING MATRIX WITH A MERE THREE RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES AND A 40,000 FOOT LOOK AT THE CITY.
A RECENT HEADLINE SAID, FORT WORTH IS UNDERGOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND NOBODY IS MAD ABOUT IT BECAUSE FORT WORTH GOT IT RIGHT.
THEY HAVE EIGHT PLACE TYPES CONTAINING THE WORD RESIDENTIAL, RURAL, SUBURBAN, SINGLE, FAMILY MANUFACTURED HOUSING, LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY, URBAN RESIDENTIAL, AND HIGH DENSITY.
BY STARK CONTRAST, DALLAS' PLAN HAS THREE PLACE TYPES, URBAN COMMUNITY AND CITY RESIDENTIAL.
WHO'S HAPPY FORT WORTH RESIDENTS, WHO'S NOT DALLAS RESIDENTS? FORT WORTH RESIDENTS HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC MAP SHOWING WHERE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF VARIOUS TYPES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE A MAP LACKING DETAIL LEADING TO MISTRUST AND THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS PLAN WILL BE USED TO GUIDE ZONING IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPERS CAUSING IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOUR TIME IS UP, NOT JUST NORTH AND EAST, BUT SOUTH AND WEST.
IT'S SORRY, THE MICROPHONE JUST WENT OUT THERE.
YOU MIGHT NEED TO REPRESS THE BUTTON.
KEN HOLDEN AT 6 5 5 9 CREST POINT DRIVE.
WHEN I MOVED TO DALLAS ABOUT 38 YEARS AGO, I DROVE TO DOWNTOWN VIA LIVE OAK IN GASTON AND LOOKED AT ALL THE, THE DIFFERENT APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
MANY OF THEM WERE BUILT IN THE 1960S.
SOME OF THEM BEEN RENOVATED, MANY OF 'EM WERE NOT.
AND LOOKED BACK AT OLD HISTORIC PICTURES AND SAW BEAUTIFUL HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE TWENTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.
I URGE YOU TO SLOW DOWN TO NOT CONSIDER THE WAY THAT YOU'RE DOING NOW ON THE DALLAS, UH, PLAN FORWARD, UM, AND PROTECT OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU DON'T WANNA LOOK BACK AND HAVE THIS GROUP AND THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL BE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO DALLAS, WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GREAT ABOUT DALLAS, UH, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN NOW, THE THE DU PLACES.
JOSE RIVAS, 61 45 PARKDALE DRIVE.
I'M HERE NOT ONLY FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD PARKDALE, BUT ALSO BUCKNER TERRACE, HILL RIDGE, EASTWOOD HILLS, UM, CLAREMONT AND URBANDALE, WHICH IS IN D FIVE.
BUT, UH, THEY STILL NEED REPRESENTATION.
THE CPC, INCLUDING SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, ARE STILL NOT LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM.
THEY'RE NOT LISTENING TO HOMEOWNERS, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT LISTENING TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS IS A GRAVE MISTAKE, ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST OF OUR HOMEOWNERS AGREE WITH INCREASING DENSITY, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I AM A MAN OF MY WORD, AS I SAID LAST TIME.
I WILL SPEND EVERY MOMENT AVAILABLE WORKING TO DISMANTLE THIS SHORTSIGHTED SCHEME THAT ONLY
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BENEFITS SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, THEIR POLITICIANS AND DEVELOPERS INSTEAD OF THE VOICES OF OF OUR HOMEOWNERS WHO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY HERE AS WELL AS PAY THEIR TAXES.I DIDN'T COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT FOR DALLAS, BUT AFTER HEARING EVERYTHING, I'D LIKE TO ALSO STRONGLY, UH, SAY THAT I OPPOSE THE SINGLE FAMILY THINGS THAT EVERYBODY HAD TALKED ABOUT.
I JUST MOVED HERE A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACTED ME TO WHERE I LANDED IN DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 8, WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I ENDED UP IN.
AND IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN AND THINGS THAT THESE FOLKS SAY MIGHT HAPPEN WHERE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DESTROYED AND THE COMMUNITIES AREN'T THERE ANYMORE, THEN I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE RECONSIDERED MY, UH, DECISION TO MOVE TO DALLAS, TEXAS.
I MIGHT HAVE MOVED TO ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES UP NORTH, UH, WHERE THOSE IDEALS ARE UPHELD AND PROTECTED.
THANK YOU FOR FILLING OUT THE CARD.
I'M REBECCA MOORE, 27 36 MA MATURE STREET IN L TIVOLI PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT IN 19 45, 19 44, 45 AT THE END OF WORLD WARI.
AND WE HAVE 980 SQUARE FEET HOMES AND WE WOULD NOT LIKE MULTIPLEXES BUILT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
TOWERING OVER OUR LITTLE ONE STORY BRICK FACADE BUILDINGS.
UH, SO WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.
WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PUT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE IN THERE TO PROTECT US.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY, LET'S GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE.
MR. NORTHROP, NONE OF THOSE FOLKS ARE ONLINE.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.
LET'S HEAD RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET THEN.
CAN WE NOT ASK QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SURE.
UH, UH, ED, COULD YOU COME UP, ED, SARAH, YOU, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT YOU MEANT WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY HOMEOWNERS ABOUT ZONING CHANGES? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN, UH, 200 YARDS OF A, UH, YOU KNOW, OF A PROPERTY THAT HAS HIS ZONING CHANGE TO GET NOTICES.
SO, BUT I, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE INTIMATING THAT THERE NEED TO BE A WHOLESALE TYPE OF ZONING NOTICE.
SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT BETTER FOR ME, PLEASE? I CAN'T, I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU ASKED ME.
CAN YOU TELL, SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? OKAY.
IN YOUR REMARKS YOU SAID THAT, UM, ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS WOULD HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED OF A ZONING CHANGE.
AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HOMEOWNERS ALREADY GET NOTICES OF ZONING CHANGES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY'RE WITHIN 200 YARDS OF A, OF A PROPERTY.
SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THAT NOTICE THAT HOMEOWNERS ALREADY GET? NO, MY COMMENT WAS, LET'S JUST SAY SEVEN YEARS AGO, COUNCILMAN WEST TRIED TO DO A BLANKET A DU POLICY ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF DALLAS, WHICH MEANT EVERY A EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD HAVE NO SAY IN AN A DU.
I CAUGHT THAT AT A ZAC MEETING AND TOLD HIM, OR HIS REPRESENTATIVES THAT YOU JUST CAN'T DO A ZONING CHANGE ACROSS THE CITY OF DALLAS WITHOUT NOTIFICATION OF ALL SINGLE FAMILY OWNERS.
AND THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH AND THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS THERE AND I SAID, YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY EVERY SINGLE OWNER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHICH IS CLOSE TO 300,000.
UM, BOTH THE NOTIFICATION, THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THEY DID, ARGUED WITH ME, AND THEN CITY ATTORNEY WAS THERE AND SHE AGREED WITH ME THAT YES, THE CITY OF DALLAS WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY EVERY SINGLE FAMILY DETE THIS CASE DETACHED HOMEOWNER OF A ZONING CHANGE.
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ADDED TO EVEN A SECONDARY USE IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, IF THE FIRST ONE IS BUILT, IT CHANGES IT ALL.AND THAT, UM, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY BACKED ME UP AND THAT THING WAS DROPPED AFTER MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT UNDER THE RADAR SCREEN TYPE THING.
SEE, ZAC WAS READY TO PASS IT.
I WAS LUCKY I WAS AT A MEETING AND STOPPED HIM IN THEIR TRACKS.
BUT THAT'S MY POINT IS YOU CAN PROPOSE THIS IF IT GOES TO COUNSEL AND PASSES, WHAT I SAID BEFORE IS TRUE OF NOTIFICATION THAT I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS A FOREIGN DALLAS, A FOREIGN DALLAS IS A, UH, KIND OF A LAND USE PLAN OR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S NOT REALLY A ZONING DOCUMENT.
SO I I I GUESS I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR LOGIC OR YOUR THINKING IS WHY IT WOULD REQUIRE A CITYWIDE NOTICE OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THIS PLAN WERE TO PASS, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YES, IN MY EYES, THIS, THIS IS A ZONING DOCUMENT, NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT UP, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
BUT AS WE KNOW, IF IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE AND A ZONING CHANGE IS, COMES UP TO ZAC AND THEY SEE THIS IN THAT A SECONDARY USE COULD BE A MULTIPLEX.
CHANCES ARE THEY'LL GO, WELL, I GUESS NOBODY OPPOSED IT.
LET'S LET'S GIVE 'EM A MULTIPLEX OR A TRIPLEX OR A QUADPLEX.
DOES THAT, YEAH, DID I ANSWER? OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND WE WILL HEAD INTO THE DOCUMENT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, LET'S GET SOME OF THESE RIGHT IN.
AND I'M GOING TO PASS OUT ONE DOCUMENT.
I RECEIVED IT TO SOME SO THAT Y'ALL HAVE IT IN ADVANCE.
THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE SPREADSHEET.
THERE ARE TWO MORE ITEMS. NO, IT'S JUST, IT'S TWO ITEMS,
WE, WE CAN TAKE A QUESTION, WE CAN TAKE A BREAK.
BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, GIVE US TIME TO READ IT.
WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT MR. COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR, UM, WHAT MS. GILLIS IS, UM, DISTRIBUTING, THERE WERE TWO ITEMS THAT I INCLUDED IN MY MAPS COMMENTS THAT HIS STAFF WAS EVALUATING THE MAPS.
THEY DIDN'T GET PUT IN WITH THE MAP LANGUAGE.
AND SO MS. GILLIS IS JUST DISTRIBUTING THOSE THAT WE HAVE THE FULL COMMENT.
SO AS STAFF WAS GOING THROUGH AND EVALUATING ALL THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT THESE TWO ADDITIONAL ITEMS WERE.
SO THEY'RE ONES THAT WERE SENT LAST WEEK THAT JUST DIDN'T GET, UM, GRABBED WHEN WE, UM, HAD THE MAP SPREADSHEET THAT GOT SENT OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
SO I WILL START FROM, UM, I THINK I'M GONNA TAKE AS LUMP AS MANY AS I CAN IN, I'M GONNA READ OUT THE NUMBERS.
UM, AND THEN I AM JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ONES FIRST THAT HAVE NO ISSUE.
UM, STAFF HAD NO ISSUE WITH, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANY CONCERN.
SO I'M GONNA READ THOSE INTO THE DOCUMENT AND START WITH THE NUMBERS AND THEN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
SO I'M GONNA START WITH ONE THROUGH 10.
SO ITEM NUMBER ONE, PROPOSED TEXT OBJECTIVE A DASH ONE, DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE STRATEGY THAT ADDRESSES EJ ISSUES AND GOALS IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENT.
ENVIRONMENTAL AND ACT CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
CCAP AND PRIORITIZE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS IN AREAS WITH EJ CONCERNS, ENSURING THAT BRINGING INDUSTRIAL LAND USES INTO COMPATIBILITY WITH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS PRIORITIZED.
AND STRIKE THE END OF THE SENTENCE IDENTIFIED AREAS FOR LAND USE AND ZONING INTERVENTIONS.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE CURRENT TEXT WITH A PROPOSED STRIKETHROUGH FORWARD.
DALLAS 2.0 IS NOT A REGULATORY DOCUMENT OR A SILVER BULLET FOR ALL PUBLIC POLICY.
IT INFORMS DECISIONS ABOUT ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, BUT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE ZONING NOR CHANGE ZONING STRIKE.
IN ADDITION, ISSUES LIKE CRIME OR EDUCATION ARE INDIRECTLY RELATED TO FORWARD DALLAS 2.0.
AND THE PLAN CAN HELP RAISE AWARENESS OF COMMUNITY PRIORITIES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OUTSIDE OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.
I ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THIS PLAN DOES NOT RECOMMEND A CITY INITIATED REZONING OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
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THE LANGUAGE UNDER EXISTING ZONING CHANGE HAS ALREADY COME TO COUNTLESS ESTABLISHED DALLAS NEIGHBORHOODS.FUTURE POLICYMAKING SHOULD BE SENSITIVE TO THE FABRIC OF NEIGHBORHOODS, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHERE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS ARE AT RISK OF DISPLACEMENT SPECIFICALLY.
AND THIS CONTINUES EXISTING LANGUAGE.
FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AND ZONING CONSIDERATIONS.
POST FORWARD DALLAS WILL REQUIRE A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS THAT INCLUDES COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, CITY PLAN REVIEW, COMMISSION REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AND CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION.
PARDON ME? WHAT ABOUT ITEM THREE? ITEM THREE WILL BE PULLED.
I'LL CLARIFY THOSE THAT AS I'M GOING ALONG.
YOU PULLED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
PULLED FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
CLARITY THAT WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED IS DIRECT ACTION, NOT NOT THE ISSUE.
RIGHT? DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST READ WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW? IS WHAT THE, WHAT IS FOR THE, LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA COMPLICATE THINGS.
LET'S READ THEM ALL IN AND THEN WE'LL HAVE, LET'S SAY THE FIRST 10 OUT OF THE FIRST 10, FOR EXAMPLE.
NOW, NO NUMBER THREE AND SEVEN AND MAYBE 10.
THERE MIGHT BE A FURTHER ADJUSTMENT THAT HEY, ONE OF US MAY WANT TO DO.
SO WE'LL PUT THOSE ASIDE AND VOTE ON THE OTHER, THE FIRST SEVEN, WHICH WOULD BE 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, AND NINE.
SO I'M GONNA GO BACK AND READ ITEM THREE.
AND, AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE TO READ THE MAN, UH, TO BECOME PART OF THE RECORD IN ORDER TO TAKE ACTION ON THEM.
SO APOLOGIES FOR BEING SICK OF MY VOICE SOON.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE CURRENT TEXT.
FURTHERMORE, TEARING DOWN EXISTING HOUSING FOR REPLACEMENT IS NOT ENCOURAGED BY THIS PLAN, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS AT RISK OF DISPLACEMENT, PROPOSED TEXTS.
FURTHERMORE, TEARING DOWN HOUSING FOR REPLACEMENT ADDED TEXT AND INFILL OF VACANT LOTS FOR HIGHER DENSITIES IS NOT ENCOURAGED BY THIS PLAN, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS OF RISK OF DISPLACEMENT.
IT CAN ATTRACT NEW BUSINESSES, INDUSTRIES ADDED TEXT, RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND ATTRACT ECONOMIC GROWTH BY PROVIDING A FRAMEWORK TO DEVELOP AND DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING REGULATIONS.
ITEM SIX STAFF HAS, SO THE, THE PROPOSAL IS TO STRIKE THE WORD PROCEDURAL FROM THE GRAPHIC ON PAGE ONE FIVE.
THE ROLE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
SO WHERE IT SAYS LEGALLY BLINDING RULES AND LAWS, PROCEDURAL, STRIKE THE WORD PROCEDURAL.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS AN ITEM FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, THE TEXT READS UNDER MONITORING PROCESS, THE DRAFT CURRENTLY RECOMMENDS A REVIEW TO DETERMINE WHETHER AN UPDATE IS NEEDED EVERY 10 YEARS.
MID-CYCLE REPORT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AT THE FIVE YEAR POINT.
THIS, OH, THIS IS STANDARD COMP, COMP PLAN LANGUAGE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, THE ADDED.
SO THIS IS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.
UM, IN ITS EARLIEST APPLICATION, ZONING IN THE UNITED STATES WAS INTENDED TO PROTECT, ADD THE WORD WHITE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THE ENCROACHMENT OF COMMON NUISANCES.
ADD THE WORD AND PEOPLE OF COLOR.
AS A RESULT, NEARLY HALF OF THE AREAS IN THE CITY DESIGNATED AS RACIALLY, ETHNICALLY ETHNIC CONCENTRATED AREAS OF POVERTY BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE INDUSTRIAL USES NEAR THEM.
POTENTIAL ADD-IN OR IN THEIR MIDST.
IN ITEM NUMBER 10, THIS IS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IT IS THE, IT IS RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE UNDER, DID YOU KNOW THERE IS ITEM FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION UNDERNEATH THAT, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDS NO CHANGE.
SO THOSE ARE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERSHIP, JUST, UH, UH, AS A RECAP.
SO ITEMS, I THINK, UH, THREE, SEVEN, AND 10 WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
AND ON ITEMS 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, AND NINE, THERE COULD BE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS MADE BY, BY ONE OF US.
UH, UNLESS ONE OF YOU WANTS TO CHANGE ONE, SOMETHING IN 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, OR NINE, THEN THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, PULLED SEPARATELY.
MR. CHAIR? YES? CAN I MAKE A MOTION? YES, SIR.
TO APPROVE ITEMS. 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9.
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THANK YOU.VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS? COMMISSIONERS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO WE GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
WE READY FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? MR. RUBIN? YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S PURPOSE BEHIND THIS AND I THINK SHE'S TRYING TO ADDRESS INFILL THAT IS PROBABLY INCOMPATIBLE, BUT I THINK JUST SIMPLY SAYING THAT INFILL IS NOT RECOMMENDED, PERIOD.
IT, IT PROBABLY GOES MAYBE A STEP TOO FAR.
I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST SOME LANGUAGE THAT SAYS FURTHERMORE, TEARING DOWN HOUSING FOR REPLACEMENT AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING HOUSING, UH, ON INFILL OF VACANT LOTS THAT IS SURROUNDING INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING HOUSING IS NOT DISCOURAGED.
THANK YOU FOR THE, THE CORRECTION.
I HAD A LONG NIGHT WITH THE BABY LAST NIGHT.
UM, FURTHERMORE, TEARING DOWN HOUSING FOR REPLACEMENT AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING HOUSING, UM, IS NOT ENCOURAGED BY THIS PLAN.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE SEEN INFILL PROJECTS COME AROUND ON CORRIDORS ON CORNER LOTS AND OTHER PLACES WHERE IT IS IS COMPATIBLE.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEC I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY EVERY INFILL PROPOSAL THAT WE GET IS INCOMPATIBLE.
SO I WOULD JUST MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BALANCE THINGS A LITTLE MORE BY DESCRIBING THE INFILL THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT VERSUS THE INFILL THAT PROBABLY WOULD WORK, YOU KNOW, PRETTY DARN WELL IN, IN MEETING SOME OF OUR HOUSING NEEDS.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER SECONDED THAT, UH, DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.
UM, I WOULD PROPOSE A A A MODIFICATION OF POSSIBLY JUST A ONE WORD MODIFICATION TO THE ORIGINAL, WHICH IS ADDING THE WORD INCOMPATIBLE TO IT'S A FURTHERMORE TEARING DOWN HOUSING FOR REPLACEMENT AND INCOMPATIBLE INFILL OF VACANT LOTS FOR HIGHER DENSITIES.
YOU'RE MUCH MORE ELOQUENT THAN I'M, OKAY, PERFECT.
ALWAYS ACCEPT FUTURE CARPENTER WITH THE WORDS ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT CHAIR ROOM.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE.
LET'S GO TO NUMBER, UH, SEVEN.
JUST INCOMPATIBLE OR ADDING? ADDING.
JUST ADD THE, WHERE ARE WE GOING NOW? SEVEN.
YEAH, I, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THIS ONE TOO.
I THINK THE CONCERN HERE THAT, THAT I HEAR RAISED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IS, AND READING HER TEXT, IT'S NOT REALISTIC TO EXPECT ALL LAND USE PLANS TO BE REVISITED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
I DON'T READ THAT AS, AS SUGGESTING THAT ALL LAND USE LAND PLANS BE REVISITED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TONS OF LAND USE PLANS, AREA PLANS AND NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.
I READ THE MONITORING, UM, PROGRESS SUGGESTION TO ONLY ADDRESS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF AND CALL FOR A LOOK AT THAT MID CYCLE EV AT THIS SPECIFIC PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS AND NOT EVERY LAND USE PLAN WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT CHANGING THIS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? COMMISSIONER HALL'S RIGHT? YOU SECOND IT.
I CAN SECOND IT 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH IT.
I THINK
SO THAT MEANS WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE THEN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER? UH, COMMISSIONER HALL? YEAH.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FIVE YEAR EVALUATION AND A 10 YEAR? SO I WILL SAY THIS, THAT IT'S, THERE'S SPECIFIC WORDING IN IT THAT SAYS CHECK.
IT'S BASICALLY A CHECK IN AT THE FIVE YEAR POINT TO DETERMINE AT THE FIVE YEAR POINT WHETHER OR NOT AN UPDATE WOULD BE NECESSARY.
BECAUSE I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS PLAN THAT BECAUSE IT'S NEW, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGING THINGS, WE MAY WANT A SHORTER TIME PERIOD TO DO A CHECK IN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO UPDATE ANYTHING, IT JUST SAYS WE NEED TO DO AN INTENTIONAL UPDATE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT
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WE'RE ON TRACK OR THINGS NEED TO BE ADJUSTED.THAT'S THE PRETTY STANDARD LANGUAGE WE ADDED IN THE CHECK-IN THE FIVE-YEAR CHECK-IN CYCLE BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW PLAN.
AND WHO, WHO DOES THIS CHECK IN? STAFF.
STAFF DOES WE INITIATE IT? YES.
DOES IT REQUIRE ANOTHER VOTE? UH, IT DOES.
SO IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE STAFF WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE TRACKING THESE THINGS.
YOU COULD ASK US, YOU'RE LIKE, HEY STAFF, IT'S FIVE YEARS.
WHERE ARE YOU COMING TO US WITH SOMETHING? AND WE WOULD BE COMING TO CPC WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN UPDATE OR WE'VE REVIEWED IT AND WE'RE ON GOOD COURSE.
I DON'T THINK I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE WORDS.
COULD BE, UM, CONSIDERED AND REASONING IS IN FIVE YEARS.
WE HAVE TWO YEAR TERMS CURRENTLY.
UM, AND COUNSEL HAS TWO YEARS TERMS. IT'S NOT, UH, IT IS NOT A A, UM, IT IS NOT A, UM, SPEAK UP.
COMMISSIONER, IT IS NOT A, UM, GIVEN THAT ANY OF US CAN BE HERE THROUGH THE NEXT TERM, SO IT COULD BE IS, IS A CAUSE FOR ME, I, I WOULD WANT IT MORE AS A MUST THAT THE, THAT IT BE CONSIDERED AND THAT WAY THAT WE, WE DO HAVE AN ADJUSTMENT RIGHT FOR YOU.
COMMISSIONER? AN ADJUSTMENT SHOULD AND SO THE MID-CYCLE REPORT TO BE, TO BE OR SHOULD BE TO BE CONSIDERED AT A FIVE YEAR POINT? COULD BE.
AND WE, AND, AND ONE OF MY MAJOR CONSIDERATIONS IS ME BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF AN AREA PLAN FOR GOING ON FIVE YEARS AND WE'VE CHANGED, OUR WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CHANGED IN FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE STILL OPEN FOR AREA PLAN THAT EVERY OTHER PART OF THE CITY HAS CLOSED OUT TWO YEARS AGO.
HAVE A MID CYCLE REPORT TO BE CONSIDERED TO BE CONSIDERED PERFECT.
NO, WAIT A MINUTE TO WILL TO BE, MAKE IT AUTOMATIC.
WE CAN'T MAKE IT, WE CAN'T PUT MUSTS OR SHALLS IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO TO BE CONSIDERED AS CLOSE AS YOU'RE GONNA GET TO.
SO WE WILL BE, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT READS MID, MID CYCLE REPORTS TO BE CONSIDERED AT FIVE YEAR POINTS.
OR AS OR, OR AS OR AS, UM, RECOMMENDED OR NEEDED OR AS NEEDED.
SO IF SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THAT FIVE YEARS THAT'S CPC OR SOMEONE INITIATES IT.
RECOMMENDED OR NEEDS, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, CLUB DOES NOT GO AWAY.
CLUB IS STILL GONNA BE CHARGED WITH MAINTAINING AND, AND, UH, KEEPING TRACK OF THE COMP PLAN AS IT WORKS OUT.
UH, VICE CHAIR, RUBIN, ONE OTHER POINT, AND WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS AT CLUB.
IS THAT LAST SENTENCE THERE CALLS FOR ANNUAL REPORTS AND BRIEFINGS ON THIS AS WELL? YES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE BODY ITSELF COULD CALL AT ANY TIME.
IF WE GET, SAY, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ON THIS AND THINK WE NEED AN UPDATE, THE BODY CAN DO THAT TOO.
SO WE'VE GOT AN ADDITIONAL SAFETY NET AND THERE BEYOND THE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE, SHOULD BE EVERY FIVE YEARS DISCUSSION? NO.
SO THAT WAS, UH, MOTION BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UH, ALL THOSE WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ADDED BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
I'M WILLING TO WITHDRAW NUMBER 10 BECAUSE I THINK THIS WAS, I COULD ACCEPT THIS AS AN ASPIRATIONAL STATEMENT THAT THE TOPIC'S BEEN DISCUSSED WILL BE ADDRESSED IN OTHER PLACES.
DO WE NEED TO, WE NEED A MOTION ON THAT.
DANIEL, I, I MOVE TO WITHDRAW ITEM 10.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER BOY FOR YOUR SECOND TO WITHDRAW.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT 10.
UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER 11, UM, THE FIRST PART OF THE, THE COMMENTS IS JUST FOR GRAMMATICAL AND CHECKING THE NUMBERS, WHICH STAFF WILL BE DOING, BUT FOCUSING ON THE TEXT LANGUAGE TO BE EDITED.
UM, IN THE SENTENCE, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS NEARLY 70,000 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL LAND, 42% OF CITY LAND, OF WHICH ALMOST 10,700 ACRES, 4% IS WITHIN 100,000.
ADD THE WORD FEET AND STRIKE THE WORD BUFFER.
FOOT BUFFER OF AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE DISTRICT.
ITEM NUMBER 12 IS THE PROPOSED TEXT, UH, PROPOSED, PROPOSED COMPLETELY NEW TEXT DIS DECREASE
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THE PERCENTAGE OF INDUSTRIAL USES SLASH ZONES NEAR RESIDENTIAL USES ZONES.ITEM NUMBER 13 IS TO BE PULLED FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
LET'S, OH, SORRY, READING IN 13.
THE CURRENT TEXT READS, IMPLEMENT POLICIES AND PROGRAMS ON EXISTING POLLUTION SOURCES TO IDENTIFY COMPATIBLE LAND USES IN NEAR EQUITY PRIORITY AREAS FROM THE DALLAS RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
UM, STAFF GOVERNMENT'S NO CHANGE.
THE, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE CAPITALIZE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
UM, THE STANDARDS, UH, STYLE GUIDE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS IS TO NOT CAPITALIZE THOSE.
ITEM NUMBER 15 IS PROPOSED TEXT TO BE ADDED, CREATE AND SUPPORT CITYWIDE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE GOALS.
UM, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, I THINK THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION TO BE HAD ON THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S MORE RECOMMENDATIONS UH, LATER ON.
UM, THAT MAY ADDRESS SOME OF THESE.
THE SAME WITH SEVEN ITEM NUMBER 17.
UM, FOR PULL FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
UM, AND ADDING IN SOME GRAPHICS, WHICH AGAIN, THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON LATER ON IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, THE CURRENT, UH, THE PROPOSED TEXT IS, UM, FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, TOD IS ADD THE FOLLOWING TEXT, A PATTERN OF HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND CIVIC USES WITH AN URBAN DESIGN AND HIGH QUALITY SUPPORT FOR WALKING, BICYCLING, TRANSIT USE AND OTHER FORMS OF NON VEHICULAR TRANSPORTATION DEVELOP NEAR HIGH PERFORMANCE TRANSIT STATIONS.
TOD IS OFTEN ENCOURAGED USING SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AROUND TRANSIT STATIONS THAT REQUIRE GREATER DENSITY, HIGHER QUALITY OF PUBLIC REALM, LIMITED PARKING AND CONNECTIONS TO ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS.
STRIKE THE LANGUAGE IS A TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT MAXIMIZES THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS AND LEISURE SPACE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORT AND IS MADE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF INCOME, RACE, ETHNICITY, AGE, GENDER, IMMIGRATION STATUS OR ABILITY.
AND THEN ADD, IT AIMS TO SPUR ECONOMIC GROWTH, EXPAND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, INCREASE CONNECTIVITY AROUND A MIX OF LAND USES AND PROMOTE REVITALIZATION AROUND DART STATIONS AND TRANSPORTATION NODES.
ADDITIONALLY, ADD TOD CAN ALSO BE FOCUSED AROUND MAJOR NODES, BUS NODES, BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAILS.
HOWEVER, THESE AREAS ARE GENERALLY DEVELOPED AT LOWER INTENSITY TO BLEND APPROPRIATELY WITH THE SCALE OF SURROUNDING AREAS.
AND THE RANGE OF WALKABLE ACCESS IS GENERALLY WITHIN ONE QUARTER MILE OF THESE CONNECTIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 19 IS TO PULL FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSA OR DISCUSSION.
UM, THE CURRENT TEXT READS INVESTIGATE REZONING TO ENCOURAGE MORE DEVELOPMENT AND WALKABILITY NEAR TRANSIT IN HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
IT'S FROM THE DALLAS RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 20 IS THE PROPOSED TEXT IS TO STRIKE THE BEGINNING OF THE SENTENCE AS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT AND THE START THE SENTENCE WITH HOUSING ACCESS.
REFER STRIKE REFERS NOT ONLY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH THE LOWEST INCOMES, BUT ALSO ENSURES OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS OF ALL INCOMES, PHASES OF LIFE, ABILITY AND LIFESTYLES.
SO WE THAT WAS, UH, 11 THROUGH 20 WITH 13, 16, 17, AND 19.
EITHER REQUIRING A SMALL ADJUSTMENT OR, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, INPUT FROM STAFF THAT LEAVES 11, 12, 14, 15, 18, AND 20.
ANY ADJUSTMENTS ON THOSE OR DO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR? YES.
I PROPOSE DROPPING 14 AND NOT TAKING IT UP AS AN AMENDMENT.
YOU MEAN, UH, LEAVING IT, LEAVING IT AS, YEAH.
14 AND NOT CONSIDERING THE CHANGE.
OKAY, SO IT'S 13, 14, 16, 17, AND 19.
COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU STAND TOGETHER? OKAY, SO WE'LL PULL 20.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PULL 11.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT LEAVES 12, 15, AND 18.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION FOR I WILL SECOND IT.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEP.
COMMISSIONERS ANY DISCUSSIONS ON 15 AND 18? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
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MR. WHEELER.I THINK THAT MY, MY, MY CONCERN WITH NUMBER 11 IS THAT, UM, THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE FOR A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UM, HOW, HOW DO WE, UM, MAKE THAT VICE VERSA? MAKE IT BOTH WAYS? UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS RESIDENTIAL IS BEING BUILT CLOSER TO INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDED WHERE THAT BUFFER GOES BOTH WAYS.
UM, ONE OF THE CORRIDORS I CAN KIND OF THINK OF IS THAT WALNUT HILL, UH, 35 AREA.
THEY ARE BUILDING APARTMENTS WITHIN A, WITHIN THAT COAST BUFFER TO INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS GONNA BE INTER ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.
SO, SO I'M GOT, I I KINDA ON THE FENCE, I'M OUT, I'M ON THE FENCE AND I HAVE SAID IT MULTIPLE TIMES.
INDUSTRIAL BEING BUILT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL IS A PROBLEM.
RESIDENTIAL BEING BUILT, BUILT NEXT TO, TO INDUSTRIAL IS A PROBLEM AND THEY NEED TO HAVE A BALANCE.
SO WHAT DO WE DO TO ENSURE THAT THIS PLAN READS THAT? BECAUSE UP AND DOWN 35, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BUILDING APARTMENTS RIGHT NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL AND THE INDUSTRIAL, WE NEED THOSE IN INDUSTRIES ALSO.
SO TO CLARIFY ON THIS ONE THAT I THINK ISSUE IS ADDRESSED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE DOCUMENT, FOR THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, IT IS, IT IS IN EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT A STANDARD THAT'S USED IN THE CODE.
AND SO WHEN WE WERE PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, UM, FOR THIS SECTION IT WAS JUST STRICTLY USING THE THOUSAND FOOT BUFFER.
WE WERE SAYING X AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL IS WITHIN A THOUSAND FOOT BUFFER OF INDUSTRIAL.
SO I THINK YOUR ISSUE IS ADDRESSED IN DIFFERENT PARTS.
THIS ONE IS JUST TO CLARIFY INSTEAD OF SAYING BUFFER TO SAY FEET, BECAUSE THE CONCERN IS THE WORD, THE USE OF THE WORD BUFFER.
SO WOULD THAT BE WHAT'S CONSIDERED IN 12 DECREASING? UM, WHY NOT DECREASE? NUMBER OF YES, IT IS THE SAME.
SO, SO IT SAYS, UH, SO I GUESS WE, I'M OKAY WITH 10, BUT 12 MIGHT BE WHERE 11, 11, 11.
I MIGHT BE YOU OKAY WITH 11? OKAY.
I'M OKAY WITH 11, BUT 12 MAYBE I'M NOT THE ONE.
THEN SAYS WHY NOT DECREASE NUMBER OF 11.
I'M OKAY WITH, BUT 12 IS MIGHT BE WHERE I'M LOOKING AT IT.
MR. CHAIR, VICE CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA MOVE PASSAGE OF OF ITEM 11.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.
11 IS NUMBER 11 TO PASS AS IS HUH? TO PASS AS IS, HUH? TO ACCEPT THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN, ON THE SPREADSHEET.
ON WHAT? 11, NUMBER 11? YES, YES, YES.
I'LL JUST REMIND YOU AGAIN TO CHECK YOUR MATH ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE, I THINK WE'VE DONE THE CHECKING SINCE THIS AND WE VERIFIED.
SO WE DO HAVE THAT PROFO, THEN WE HAVE THAT LANGUAGE.
UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, UH, RUBEN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I BELIEVE TO ACCEPT THE CARPENTER, UH, ADJUSTMENT TO THIS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO IN RESPONSE TO NUMBER 12, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK OF THE OVERALL CONCEPT.
I THINK THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL PROBABLY CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, DEPENDING ON THE INDUSTRIAL USE MAY BE OKAY.
AGAIN, IF YOU'RE TALKING JOB CREATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK AS A GENERAL CONCEPT, WE WANT FOR A MEASURE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AS A CITY WHERE WE HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH THESE INCOMPATIBILITIES IN THE PAST.
IT IS IMPORTANT AS A GENERAL CONCEPT TO BE DECREASING THE PERCENTAGES OF INCOMPATIBLE USES NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SO IF IN INDUSTRY NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AND VICE VERSA.
SO I THINK AS AN OVERALL CONCEPT, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE GOAL TO HAVE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ENTIRELY ELIMINATE BECAUSE THERE MAY BE AREAS WHERE IT, IT'S OKAY THERE, IT'S NOT PROBLEMATIC AND PEOPLE HAVE EX BECAUSE OF WHATEVER CIRCUMSTANCE, UM, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL.
SO THERE'S STILL, THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE THAT.
IT JUST SAYS OVERALL THE CITY NEEDS TO DECREASE ITS NUMBERS WHERE WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE CONCERN IS, UM, AND MAYBE, MAYBE MY, MY BRAIN, MY BRAIN IS THINKING AND, AND, AND, AND, AND I'M, AND I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I'M GONNA GO OUT ON A LEDGE AND SAY, WHEN OTHER PEOPLE SEE THIS, SO I, MY PROTECTION WOULD ALWAYS BE ON BOTH
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BY WHO WAS THERE FIRST.IT READS TO ME, IT READS THAT, YOU KNOW, OR IT CAN BE PROPOSED IN FUTURE THAT IF OVER A 10 YEAR SPAN APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER HAS BEEN BUILT CLOSE AND THEN HEALTH PROBLEMS ARISE IN THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND NOW THEY BLAME IT ON INDUSTRY AND INDUSTRY IS SAYING, NO, YOU DID THIS TO US.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY DEAL.
IF INDUSTRY COMES INTO RESIDENTIAL, THEN IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.
SO OUR, IN OUR INDUSTRIES, OKAY, HAVE TO BE PROTECTED WHEN THEY'RE SOMEWHERE THAT IS NOT CLOSE TO, TO HOUSING BECAUSE WE NEED OUR INDUSTRIES.
AND I THINK I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT OUR PLACE TYPES ARE FOR.
THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT NOT, IT'S NOT THIS MEASURE THAT'S GOING TO DO THAT.
IT IS THE PLACE TYPES THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE THAT HAVE SAID WE NOW NEED TO START BEING MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHERE THE DIFFERENT USES GO.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE PLACE TYPE MAP DOES.
AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THAT.
THIS JUST SAYS OVERALL WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM.
AND SO WE HAVE TO START MEASURING THAT WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT PROBLEM.
BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE, THANK YOU.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, THAT I'M OKAY WITH INDUSTRY.
IT'S NOT, NO, I WOULD NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M OKAY WITH INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, CAUSING HEALTH HAZARD TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT I AM VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT, THAT LINE TO ENSURE THAT WHEN THEY'RE SEPARATE, THAT INDUSTRY 10 YEARS LATER IS NOT BLAMED WHEN THEY WERE THERE AND HOUSING WAS BUILT AROUND THEM AND NOT THE VICE VERSA.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION IN ITEM NUMBER 12 TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSED TEXT.
I WILL, I WILL SECOND ABOUT VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
AND THE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
SO I, I WOULD JUST SAY TO THIS, THAT THE STAFF RECORD IT, IT MATCHES WHAT'S IN THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
SO WE PULLED, AND I KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME PROB, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME ISSUES WITH THOSE MEASURES, BUT IT IS COMING OUT OF A, A CURRENT ADOPTED PLAN.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? UM, YES, AND I, I, I MOVE THAT IF IF'S OUT OF THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN THAT THIS DOCUMENT, NOT TRY TO CHANGE THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, BUT MAYBE IN THE BACK OF THE DOCUMENT, PUT A RECOMMENDATION IN TO JUST REFER TO THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
AND IF ADJUSTMENTS NEEDS TO BE MADE, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
SHE SAY IT IF IT, IF IT'S, IF YOU, IT STAYS THE SAME, IF IT'S WHAT THE, IF IT'S A QUOTE FROM THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING SPECIFICALLY TO ITEM 13, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF IT'S COMING STRAIGHT OUT OF THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN OR ANOTHER PLAN FOR THAT MATTER, WE JUST LEAVE AS IS, WE MAKE NO CHANGE.
AND THEN ON THE SECOND HALF OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, A RECOMMENDATION, PUTTING IN THE BACK OF THE PLAN, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THERE IS ALREADY A RECOMMENDATION IN THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX THAT SAYS WE NEED TO COME BACK AT A FUTURE DATE WITH ADDITIONAL AND UPDATED TRACKING MEASURES TO BE WORKED OUT ONCE THE PLAN IS TO BE FURTHER WORKED OUT ONCE THE PLAN IS ADOPTED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
IT'S COMM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTONS ESPECIALLY, UH, ESSENTIALLY ACCEPTING OR KEEPING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADJUSTMENT MADE.
DO YOU WANT TO RE-CLARIFY THAT? FINE.
I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A GOOD NOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
DID WE, DID WE VOTE IT IN? WAS THAT INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE VOTE? IT WAS NOT.
SO WE HAVE, I MOVE TO STRIKE ITEM 14 FOR CONSIDERATION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO STRIKE NUMBER 14 AND SECOND BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT COVERED.
OKAY, FOR ITEM 16, UM, WE ARE GO, WE STAFF I THINK HAS REVIEWED ALL THE NUMBERS.
SO IN AN UPDATED DRAFT, ALL THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE UPDATED AND CONFIRMED OR CONFIRMED AND UPDATED IF NECESSARY.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT, SO WE HAD PREVIOUSLY STAFF HAD, OR I'M SORRY, CPC HAD PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED TO CLARIFY THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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SORT OF CORRIDORS AND, OR SORRY, TRAILS AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE, AND AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL THAT WE'RE TALKING QUARTER MILE AND IT'S JUST AT DART STATION THAT WE'RE TALKING HALF MILE.AND I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM THAT'S FURTHER DOWN IN HERE THAT CLARIFIES THIS.
SO THIS WAS JUST, AND THEN ALSO IN THE DEFINITION LANGUAGE, THE UPDATED DEFINITION LANGUAGE, WE CLARIFIED THAT.
SO THIS IS MORE SO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS COMMENT IS IN HERE, BUT IT'S BEING ADDRESSED THROUGH DIFFERENT OTHER DIFFERENT ITEMS. SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE NEED COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
SO IS THE MOTION TO, TO HAVE STAFF CORRECT? THE THE, UM, YES, THE MATH, THE MATH FIGURES.
SO I, I MOVE IN ITEM, UM, 16 THAT, UM, STAFF BE DIRECTED TO, UM, CORRECT THE, UM, THE NUMBERS, THE MATH, THE MATH NUMBERS IN THE TEXT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
ADVISE YOUR ROOM FOR YOUR SECOND.
SAME SORT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS.
AND WE ALSO ARE GETTING THE, UM, WE WILL BE INCLUDING A GRAPHIC, AN ADDITIONAL GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS TRAIL AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT JUST SHOWING SORT OF THE, THE GRAPHICS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OF TOD AREAS.
SO WE WILL BE ADDING MORE OF A LOCALIZED GRAPHIC TO THE UPDATED DRAFT.
MR. CARPENTER, SO IS A MOTION NEEDED TO PUT THIS ITEM UNDER ADVISEMENT? I MEAN, IF, IF MORE STAFF MATERIAL IS COMING IT, YEAH, IT'S ADDITIONAL.
I MEAN, I THINK, I MEAN IT, I I'M GETTING THE IMPRESSION IT'S AN UNRESOLVED ITEM AT THIS POINT.
I THOUGHT WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT IT'S BEING RESOLVED WITH UPDATE GRAPHICS TO COMPLY TO THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE.
AND I WILL SAY, OKAY, WHAT WE COULD SAY, BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO WHAT WE'RE GETTING AND WE'RE GETTING THE, WE'RE CONFIRMING THE NUMBERS WITH THE APPLICABLE AGENCIES.
WE'RE GETTING THE TRAIL NUMBERS, WE'RE GETTING THE BUS INFRASTRUCTURE NUMBERS.
WE'RE GETTING THOSE NUMBERS TO ADD.
'CAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE, IN THE WRITEUP WE JUST HAVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT NUMBER OF DART STATIONS AND THE NUMBER OR THE LINES, THE AMOUNT OF LINES.
SO WE WILL ADD THAT SAME INFORMATION FOR TRAILS, BIKES, AND BUSES.
AND IS THAT PROPOSED? THE PROPOSED ALSO AND WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED ALSO THE PROPOSED? UH, YES, THOSE ARE PROPOSED.
WELL BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? SO IT'S EXISTING.
SO IT'S, IT'S SHOWING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE NETWORK RIGHT NOW AND WE WILL ADD THAT DATA INTO THE DESCRIPTION.
MR. YEAH, I'LL ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VARIOUS POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND GOALS IN THIS DOCUMENT.
THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A FACTUAL STATEMENT.
SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE JUST INSTRUCTING STAFF TO ADD DATA REGARDING TRAIL BUS AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, IN THE NEXT UPDATE WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION IF THAT I'LL SECOND.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH.
OKAY, SO THEN, UM, WAIT, BUT WE ALREADY HAD 16.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, SORRY.
COMMISSIONER RUBIN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE NONE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE, IT TAKES US TO 19.
THIS IS THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE, THIS LANGUAGE COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE SAME ISSUE AS THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
SO I MOVE THAT WE, WE MAKE THE SAME CHANGES AS WE DID WITH ITEM NUMBER 13 AND 14, UH, 13, I BELIEVE TH 13.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION AND I WILL SECOND IT.
ANY DISCUSSION? SO YOU, NONE THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? I HAVE, IT TAKES US TO NUMBER 20, I THINK THIS PULLED BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
YES, I THINK, DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU WANTED 20 PULLED? YES.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? WELL, GOD, I JUST DON'T APPROVE OF THE STRIKE THROUGH.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO KEEP THE DOCUMENT AS, UH, AS IS TO NOT FALL.
SECONDED BY ADVICE CHAIR RUBIN,
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TO KEEP, UH, AS YES, AS IT AS IT IS NOT TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT.ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? YEAH, I, I MEAN PLEASE, I DO THINK HOUSING'S A FUNDAMENTAL, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY CAN ALWAYS MEET THAT, BUT IT SHOULD BE A GOAL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. RUBIN? I'LL JUST ADD THAT THIS CAME UP AT K CLUB AND WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT VARIOUS DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING I BELIEVE THE UN DECLARATION ON FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND IT'S INCLUDED IN THEIRS.
SO THAT WAS OUR RATIONALE FOR KEEPING IT AT THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE.
COMMISSIONER HALL, JUST JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, WE WILL LEAVE IN THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE AS A FUNDAMENTAL, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THIS IS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, IT'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, ITEMS ON PAGE TWO 10.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND A CHANGE, UM, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE FUR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 20, TO READ IT, YOU NEED TO READ IT.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND A CHANGE, BUT IS NOT OPPOSED TO CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.
UM, THIS IS REFERENCING PRESERVING NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING IN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, BUT THERE IS NO MECHANISM FOR THAT.
THE WHY IS THIS, THIS, THIS, WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? ITEMS MAKE IT SOUND AS IF THE PROBLEM SOLELY BOILS DOWN TO ADDING DENSITY.
STAFF SAYS, ALTHOUGH THE MECHANISM MAY NOT CURRENTLY BE AVAILABLE TO PRESUME NOAA, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULDN'T BE ACKNOWLEDGED OR MECHANISMS PURSUED.
UM, DENSITY IS NOT THE ONLY WAY AND THE TEXT DOES NOT STATE THAT THERE IS NOT ONE UNIVERSAL FIX.
UM, THE PROPOSED TEXT IS TO DECREASING OR DECREASING STOCK OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND STRIKE THE LAST PART OF THE SENTENCE.
PARTLY DUE TO POOR CONSERVATION OF OLDER, OLDER HOUSING.
STOCK ITEM NUMBER 23, PARDON ME.
22 WAS NOT, WAS NOT PULLED, NO.
UM, PROPOSED TEXTS, UH, LACK OF DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS CITYWIDE.
STRIKE THE LAST PART OF THE SENTENCE DUE TO ZONING AND LAND USE BARRIERS.
ITEM NUMBER 24 IS THE PROPOSED TEXT IS DISPROPORTIONATE DISPLACEMENT IN LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS.
STRIKE THE END OF THE SENTENCE DUE TO BURDENSOME, BURDENSOME DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 25, UM, IS THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO PULL FOR, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, THIS WAS DEVELOPED IN, UM, COORDINATION WITH THE, THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND FROM ACTION OR FROM ACTION STEPS FROM THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
UM, IT IS THE MEASURE IS TO INCREASE HOUSING UNITS, WHICH WOULD, WHICH COULD MEAN SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
UM, IT DOES NOT SPECIFY A HOUSING TYPE.
THE PLAN ALSO STATES THAT ADDITIONAL MEASURES SHOULD BE DEVELOPED AFTER ADOPTION OF THE PLAN WITH CPC AND CITY COUNCIL REVIEW.
SO THIS IS TO THE ISSUE OF INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS IN AN AREA OF DISPLACEMENT RISK.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO PULL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
AGAIN, THIS COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.
SAYS THERE ARE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS PLAN THAT SPEAK TO THE NEED FOR DESIGN STANDARDS FOR NEW HOUSING CONSTRUCTION.
NEW ACTION STEP FOR ANTI DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION OVERLAY ADS, FURTHER GUIDANCE AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S A, UH, ISSUE WITH THE CON EQUITY CONNECTION.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 27 IS NOT TO BE PULLED.
THE PROPOSED TEXT IS PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND DEVELOPMENT BARRIERS IN SOUTHERN DALLAS DUE TO AGING, ADD OR NON-EXISTENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND DIFFICULTIES ACCESS ACCESSING CAPITAL FOR LOCAL INVESTORS.
ITEM NUMBER 28, UM, IS NOT TO BE PULLED OR NOT RECOMMENDED TO BE PULLED.
THE PROPOSED TEXT INCREASED VACANCY IN SINGLE USE COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTERS, CORRIDORS AND OFFICE PARKS.
STRIKE THE LAST PART OF THE SENTENCE DUE TO RESTRICTIVE USE REQUIREMENTS.
ITEM NUMBER 29 IS, UH, NOT RECOMMENDED TO BE PULLED.
UH, THE PROPOSED TEXT IS INCREASED PERCENTAGE OF MIXED USE ZONING ALONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.
AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 30, UM, IS, UH, THERE IS PROPOSED TEXT, A PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE TEXT.
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ORIGINAL TEXT IS PROPOSED TO BE STRUCK AND REPLACED WITH THE FOLLOWING TEXT RELATIONSHIP TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS A REGULATORY LEGAL TOOL USED TO IMPLEMENT GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY THE MORE GENERALIZED PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS AND THE ACTION ITEMS FOUND WITHIN THE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER FORWARD.
DALLAS 2.0 INCLUDES SEVERAL ACTION STEPS WHERE UPDATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE ARE RECOMMENDED AND EACH PLACE TYPE OF VARIETY OF ZONING DISTRICTS MAY BE FOUND.
AND IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE VISION LAID OUT AND THE PLACE TYPES, CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATES MAY BE REQUIRED.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE PLAN RECOMMENDS MORE HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ALONG HIGHER CAPACITY COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, WHICH MAY REQUIRE UPDATES TO THE COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE SONY DISTRICTS ESPECIALLY TO ACHIEVE THE TYPE OF DESIGN THAT IS ENVISIONED FOR THOSE AREAS.
PARDON? AGREE THAT THAT STRIKES.
IT STRIKES USING THE INTENT DIRECTION OF THE PLACE TYPES IN FORWARD OWL 2.0.
THE DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE WILL IDENTIFY ZONING DISTRICTS AND OTHER ORDINANCES TO FURTHER DEFINE HOW THE PLACE TYPES ARE REALIZED IN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT.
IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE.
EACH PLACE TYPE WILL CORRESPOND WITH MULTIPLE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WILL PROVIDE MORE SPECIFICITY, DETAIL AND REGULATORY GUIDANCE ON ITEMS SUCH AS HEIGHT, LOT SIZE, SETBACKS, ADJACENCY, AND ALLOWABLE USES.
THAT'S 21 THROUGH 30 WITH 21, 25 AND 26.
INDOOR ADJUSTMENT COMMISSIONER WHEELER? 23.
OKAY, WHICH ONE WAS THAT? 23, 24 AND UM, 28.
OKAY, SO THAT LEAVES 22, 27, 29 AND 30.
UH, FOUR FOUR OF THOSE 22, 27.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
DID NOT HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE STAFF.
DIDN'T RECOMMEND CHANGE ON THAT.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? UM, MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT, UM, IN THE LAST SENTENCE WHERE WE READ, UM, AS WELL AS PRESERVING NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING AND ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE ADD THE LANGUAGE PRESERVING AND STRENGTHENING NATURALLY OCCURRING, WHICH I, I THINK IS SPOKEN TO IN OTHER AREAS OF THIS DOCUMENT AND JUST FURTHER CLARIFIES THE INTENT? I'M SORRY.
IS THAT IN? DID YOU KNOW? YES.
DID YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT ALL OF THIS IS WITHIN THE DO, DO YOU KNOW SECTION? I CAN READ THE FULL SENTENCE THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL PLEASE.
YEAH, I THINK SOME OF US LOST TRACK.
SO THIS IS ITEM 21, CORRECT? AND ON PAGE TWO 10 OF THE PLAN UNDER, DID YOU KNOW, DID YOU KNOW? CORRECT.
AND SO THE, UM, AND HOPEFULLY HANG ON ONE SECOND.
SO IT WOULD READ, AND THERE'S ONLY ONE ADDED WORD.
AS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, HOUSING ACCESS REFERS NOT ONLY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH THE LOWEST INCOMES, BUT ALSO ENSURES OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS OF ALL INCOMES, PHASES OF LIFE, ABILITIES OF LIFESTYLES.
THIS INCLUDES LOCATING A VARIETY OF DIVERSE AND SENSITIVELY SCALED HOUSING TYPES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS NEAR TRANSIT, EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, SERVICES AND AMENITIES, AS WELL AS PRESERVING AND STRENGTHENING NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING AND ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE, NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
PULLED BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
I, I, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD PULL, WE SHOULD STRIKE OUT DUE TO ZONING AND LAND USE BARRIERS BECAUSE IT IS THE TRUTH THAT THAT IS BECAUSE OF LAND DUE TO LAND ZONING AND LAND USE BARRIERS.
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SO, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THAT STAYS, UM, AND NOT DISTRACTED.DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A MOTION? I DO WANNA MAKE THAT A MOTION, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? UM, THE LACK OF DIVERS AFFORDABLE HOUSEHOLD OPTIONS.
CDY, UH, MR. CHAIR BEFORE THAT WE NEED A SECOND ON THAT MOTION.
UH, WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO NOT, TO MAKE THE CHANGE.
TO LEAVE, NOT TO STRIKE OUT, YES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? YES, COMMISSIONER, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
SO THE REASONING THAT I'M GOING TO SAY THAT IS, IS BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT THE REASON THAT SOME OF THE DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS CITYWIDE IS DUE TO ZONING AND LAND USE BARRIERS.
I AM A AVID BELIEVER IN THAT BECAUSE I AM IN A PD 5 9 5 AND IT IS RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE OF ZONING AND LAND USE BARRIER.
AND THAT'S INDENT IT ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, THE COUNTRY AT THAT DISCUSSION.
NO, I, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE, UH, THE MOTION FOR THE REASON THAT I WROTE A VERY LONG PARAGRAPH, UM, ON, ON THAT PAGE DISCUSSING IT BECAUSE, UM, WHILE I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHEELER ENTIRELY, THAT THAT IS PART OF THE, THE REASON, UH, THE WAY THE TEXT IS WRITTEN, IT MAKES IT SOUND AS IF THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WHY THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A LACK OF DIVORCE D I'M SORRY, DIVERSE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY REASONS WHY WE HAVE, UH, HAVE THAT LACK.
SO I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT A LITTLE MORE OPEN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LET THE REST OF THE DOCUMENTS SPEAK TO THE, TO THE REASONS.
MR. CHAIR, CAN I PROPOSE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? KEEP THE LANGUAGE, UM, AND ADD IN PART, DO YOU IN IMPART TO ZONING AND LAND USE BARRIERS? I WILL TAKE THAT FROM, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT.
WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THAT I THINK RESOLVED MY CONCERN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELERS SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER HERBERT WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, EXCEPT THAT THAT WAS MADE BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
MR. CHAIR, I'M GONNA MAKE A SIMILAR MOTION TO KEEP THE LANGUAGE, UM, DISPROPORTIONATE DISPLACEMENT IN LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AREAS DUE IN PART TO BURDENSOME DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS.
THE SAME REASON WHY THAT I HOLD IT
AND IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME THING.
SO MY MOTION IS, UH, WITH THAT AMENDMENT IS PERFECT DUE IN PART DUE TO BURDENSOME DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS.
AND I THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT, COMMISSIONER RUTH, FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I WILL JUST SAY I, I DO SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE MY OBJECTION WAS THAT IT READ AS IF THAT WERE THE ONLY REASON AND IT, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT, SO IN PART IS ACCEPTABLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? AND NONE.
THAT WAS MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
25 IS GONNA BE THE SAME THING DUE TO RE RESTRICTIVE USE.
SO IN, I WILL ALSO ADD WHAT HAS BEEN ADDED IN THE LAST TWO, UH, UM, FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS.
AND THAT IS, UH, IN, IS IT IN PART OR COMMISSIONER RUBEN? YEAH, THIS IS A DIFFERENT ONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'M WILLING TO WITHDRAW THIS ITEM.
AND STAY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE LANGUAGE IN THE, UM, RECAP PLAN.
THAT'S A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, SECONDED, BUT BY MYSELF TO WITHDRAW THE ITEM.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NO, SHE, SHE WITHDREW THE CHANGE STAY IS OKAY.
I THINK THAT WAS THE COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S, UH, THAT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE BEFORE.
DO WE WANNA RESTATE IT? UM, WANT ME TO RESTATE IT PLEASE? THAT, UM, DUE TO THE BEING WITH THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN TO LEAVE IT AS IS, AS IT IS WRITTEN WITH THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, CAN, CAN I GET A QUESTION BEFORE THAT MOTION BEFORE WE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECOND VICE CHAIR RUBIN.
DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A QUESTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
LET ME, I WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE I VOTE ON THIS AND I'M GONNA BE ASKING, UM, ANDREW, MS. GILES, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO WAS SHE, WHAT IS THIS SAYING THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, THAT THIS IS THE SAME RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT WE WILL BE DOING THAT THE DESIGN STANDARDS WILL BE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AS RELATED TO LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IN, UM, SOUTH DALLAS AREA
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PLAN? YEAH, THIS METRIC IS ALREADY IN THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? YOU NONE.
PULLED BY I THINK COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
I'M GONNA ASK, UM, THE SAME THING.
UH, WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT? YEAH, WE WANT TO, I WANT TO KEEP THAT LANGUAGE, BUT ALSO IN, WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS IT? I PART IN PART, OKAY.
OKAY, SO WE ARE RESTRICTED, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER SECOND ABOUT MYSELF TO ADD THE WORDS IN PART DUE TO RESTRICTIVE USE OF REQUIREMENTS.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THIS ITEM NUMBER 31, UM, WE REFER FOR FURTHER, UH, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
THIS WAS ALSO, I WANNA ADD IN THAT THIS WAS A, UM, ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE PAST MEETING BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, AND THEN ALSO REMINDED OF US BY COMMISSIONER HALL.
UM, TO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE FOR A, UM, SECONDARY USE TO CHANGE IT TO A ADD SUPPORTING STRIKE.
LESS PREVALENT USE THAT MAY SERVE TO STRIKE SUPPORT OR COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USE IN A PLACE TYPE.
SO IT WOULD READ A SUPPORTING USE THAT MAY SERVE TO COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USE IN A PLACE TYPE.
WE RECOMMEND PULLING THAT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
AND THIS ONE, WE, UM, RECOMMENDED NO CHANGE, UM, GIVEN THAT THERE WAS NO RE SPECIFIC RES REFERENCE TO ST IN THE PLAN, THIS HAD TO DO WITH LODGING.
THE LODGING USE WITHIN THE TABLE.
THAT WAS 32, IF NOT, YEAH, THAT WAS 32.
ITEM NUMBER 33 IS A PROPOSED CHANGED FOR THE, SORRY, THIS IS A PRO PROPOSED CHANGE FOR THE LAND USE MATRIX.
REMOVE MIXED USE AS A SECONDARY USE IN THE LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK PLACE.
TYPE ITEM NUMBER 34 IS TO, IS A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE TRANSPORTATION COLUMN FROM THE MATRIX.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE ADDITIONS AGAIN TO THE MATRIX.
UM, THE FIRST, THERE ARE TWO PROPOSED CHANGES.
THE FIRST ONE IS TO ADD A FOOTNOTE TO THE WAREHOUSES.
EXAMPLE BULLET UNDER THE LIGHT INDUSTRY DISTRIBUTION.
LAND USE TO READ IN THE FLEX COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE ONLY SMALL WAREHOUSES NO GREATER THAN BETWEEN 20 TO 25,000 SQUARE FEET ARE RECOMMENDED WAREHOUSES.
LARGER THAN 25,000 SQUARE FEET SHOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARD THE LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK AND, UM, INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACE TYPES.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, ADD THE FILING ACTION STEP TO OBJECTIVE B.
MITIGATE NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT.
ON PAGE FOUR SIX OF THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE, THE ADDED LANGUAGE UPDATE, THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS IN IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE WERE APPLICABLE TO WHERE APPLICABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN WAREHOUSE TYPES AND SIZES AND EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR INCORPORATING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS INTO THE ZONES.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, PURELY BECAUSE THIS GOES BACK TO THE TITLES OF THE INDUSTRIAL PLACE TYPES, UM, OR THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRIBUTION, UM, PLACE TYPES AND LARGE WAREHOUSES IN THE MATRIX, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 37 IS A, AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE TEXT.
THE PROPOSED TEXT IS TO, AS OF 2023, DALLAS HAS 3 81 PARKS TOTALING 18,842 ACRES AND OVER 14.7 MILLION TREES CONTRIBUTING TO A TREE COUNTY COVER OF 32%.
THE PARK TRAILS AND OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE REGIONAL OPEN SPACE PLACE TYPE, PLACE TYPE MAY PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN ADD CONNECTING PEOPLE TO NATURE, LIMITING URBAN ENCROACHMENT INTO NATURAL SYSTEMS AND STRIKE BUFFERING REV RESIDENTS FROM NOXIOUS USES AND ENHANCING OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
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ADD A NUMBER TO THE NEXT ONE.SO IT IS 37 A NOTICE THAT TODAY.
SO 37 A AT THE END OF PAGE 13.
UM, THE PROPOSED TEXT IS THE INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACED TYPE, ADD AND INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES SHOULD NOT BE ADJACENT TO THIS PLACE.
TYPE ITEM NUMBER 38 IS A SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE TEXT.
ANY, ANY, START THE SENTENCE WITH ANY STRIKE THE SECOND WORD.
SO IT WOULD BE ANY INDUSTRIAL USES ADJACENT TO THIS PLACE.
TYPE SHOULD BE ENVIRONMENTALLY LOW IMPACT.
WELL BUFFERED WITH VEG NATURAL VEGETATION FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AND CONTAINED WITHIN THE PROPERTY TO AVOID NEGATIVE SPILLOVER IMPACTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL USES OR ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.
THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS NON-RESIDENTIAL AND APARTMENT USES ARE GENERALLY LOCATED WITHIN A HALF MILE OF DART TRANSIT STATIONS AND WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL NODES.
CONNECTIONS TO HIGH CAPACITY, ADD IN THE LANGUAGE CONNECTIONS TO HIGH CAPACITY BUS NODES, BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAILS.
ALSO PROVIDE RESIDENTS ACCESS TO DESTINATIONS WITHIN AND BEYOND THEIR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPES COMPLIMENT THIS PLACE TYPE, FORMING A COMPLETE COMMUNITY WITH ACTIVITIES ESSENTIAL TO A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND NUMBER 40, CURRENT TEXT OR THE PROPOSED TEXT.
LOCAL STREETS ADD THE WORD IDEALLY AND STRIKE THE WORD TYPICALLY.
SO IT WOULD BE LOCAL STREETS IDEALLY HAVE SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS WITH, WITH PLANTING STRIPS AND LOCATIONS WITH LESS INTENSE DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALKS WITH PLANTING STRIPS AND LOCATIONS WITH MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT.
SO MS. GILLIS, THAT LEAVES UH, 31 THROUGH 40, INCLUDING 37 A AND AT THIS POINT 31 AND 36 NEED FURTHER DISCUSSION, WHICH LEAVES 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 37, A 38, 39 AND 40 ACCEPTING THE LANGUAGE AS PROPOSED BY ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE? TAKE ONE OF THOSE OFF.
THAT'S, SEE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON THINKING IF WE GET RID OF TRANSPORTATION UNDER 34, WHERE ARE WE GONNA PUT ALL THE
OKAY, SO THAT LEAVES US, SO I NEED A MOTION.
DID YOU, UM, I CONFERENCE ON 37.
IT SAYS THE INCLUSION OF MIXED USE, INCLUDING LOING AS A SECONDARY USE AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL REVISIT IS THE STR ISSUE.
I THINK THEY COMMEND, THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO THE PLAN, THE CODE, THIS IS A CODE ISSUE AND NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ISSUE.
UM, I'M, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT BECAUSE UM, WE HAVE SOME USE.
UM, DO WE NEED HIM TALKING ABOUT 32, RIGHT? 1 32 32 WAS FULL.
I DUNNO, WHAT ARE WE TALKING 20, ARE YOU ON COMMISSIONER WHEELER? SOMETHING ELSE? PULLED 32.
AND 36 ARE PULLED, IS THAT CORRECT? AND I'M AND 30 0 36 WAS FULL.
I'M GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT 36, 37 DID NOT GET FULL.
CAN I GET A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HALL? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, ITEMS 33, 34, 35, 37, 37 A, 38, 39 AND 40.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION.
WE DID IT PREVIOUSLY AND I WILL SECOND THAT MYSELF.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
YEAH, I'LL WEIGH IN ON THIS ONE AND SAY THAT I DON'T THINK IT, IT ACHIEVES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE.
UM, I THINK THE IMPORTANCE IN UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIMARY AND SECONDARY USES REALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S MORE PREVALENT AND WHAT IS LESS PREVALENT WITHIN A A PARTICULAR PLACE TYPE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT MULTIPLEXES AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AND ULTIMATELY MOVED THEM FROM PRIMARY TO SECONDARY,
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SPECIFICALLY FOR THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT MULTIPLEXES SHOULD BE MUCH LESS PREVALENT IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.AND IF WE START TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE SUPPORTING OR COMPLIMENTARY, I THINK WE'RE GOING OFF IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND I, I THINK ULTIMATELY MORE PREVALENT AND LESS PREVALENT, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE CLEARLY ADDRESSES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THESE, THESE PRIMARY VERSUS SECONDARY.
SO IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE OUR DISCUSSION, SO YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION NOT TO MAKE THE EDIT AND TO, OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT DISCUSSION.
I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER RUBIN'S POINT.
I THINK I JUST DEFINING SOMETHING BY SAYING ONE'S MORE AND MORE ONE'S LESS JUST DOES NOT TO ME PROVIDE ANY CLARITY.
UM, I REALIZED THAT A LOT OF THIS IS SAYING THAT THOSE TYPES OF MORE GRANULAR DISCUSSIONS ARE GONNA HAPPEN AT A FUTURE DATE.
BUT IF THE INTENT OF THIS DOCUMENT IS TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE, PROVIDING CLARITY IN THIS LANGUAGE TO ME SEEMS CRITICAL AND I THINK HAS BEEN THE BULK OF WHAT WE HAVE HEARD.
BOTH THOSE IN FAVOR AND CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PLAN SPEAK TO US.
I'M CERTAINLY WILLING IF THERE, I, I LOOKED AT ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT WORDS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS THE BEST.
THIS SEEMS TO ME TO TRY TO STRIKE THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE INTENT OF THAT.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE.
YEAH, I'M DISSATISFIED WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR OF CLUB.
UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER? I DO, I DO SUPPORT, UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S SUBJECTIVE.
AND SO WE WANT, AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE EMAILS, THOSE THAT THE MORE POSITIVE KIND OF DIRECTION GIVEN EMAILS THAT WE GOT FROM, FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IS THAT SOME OF THE WORDING COULD BE CHANGED.
UH, TO, TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS MORE, UM, CLEARING THAT WILL SUPPORT WHAT COMMISSIONER, UM, RUBEN HAS SAID IS LESS PREVALENT IS, UM, USING THE WORDS LESS PREVALENT.
BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT ONE PERSON MIGHT THINK IS LESS PREVALENT AND ONE PERSON THINK IS SUPPORTIVE COULD ACTUALLY BE THE SAME.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORD WE SHOULD USE, BUT, OKAY.
I THINK WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING, BUT WE NEED SOMETHING THAT CLARIFIED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND.
COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, MAKE SURE TO, UH, RESTATE THE MOTION? 'CAUSE I WANNA BE CLEAR.
I WOULD, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO NOT ADOPT THIS PROPOSED CHANGE ITEM 31 TO, TO KEEP THE LANGUAGE AS TO READ WHAT THE DEFINITION WOULD BE IN, IN THE DEFINITION.
THE DEFINITION RIGHT NOW IS A LESS PREVALENT USE THAT MAY SERVE TO SUPPORT OR COMPLEMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USE IN A PLACE TYPE UNDER THE PROPOSED CHANGE.
WITH THIS, WHICH THIS RECOMMENDATION RESPECTFULLY DOESN'T PROPOSE ADOPTING IT, IT WOULD SAY A SUPPORTING USE THAT MAY SERVE TO COMPLIMENT THE PRIMARY LAND USE IN A PLACE TYPE COMMISSIONER HARVARD.
SINCE, SINCE WE STARTED THIS, I'VE, I'VE DISCUSSED THE VERBIAGE AND THE WORDING, UM, OF THE RESIDENCES IN MY AREA.
UM, WHICH I HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
CONDOMINIUMS NOT SO MUCH, UM, BUT WHERE THEY ARE CONDOS, TOWN HOMES THAT ARE FOR SALE AND FOR RENT, UM, JUST CALLING THEM LESS PREVALENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND A LOT OF THESE AREAS WHERE THEY TAKE UP A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IS JUST TOUGH FOR ME.
ANY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I, I PREFER THE, UM, AMENDED DEFINITION SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, LET'S TAKE A RECORDED VOTE.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A SPLIT ONE ON THIS ONE.
WOULD YOU, COULD WE REVIEW THE, THE, UH, MOTION ONE MORE TIME PLEASE? THE MOTION IS ESSENTIALLY JUST TO ACCEPT THE LANGUAGE AS IN THE WHAT'S IN THERE NOW AND, AND NOT TO ACCEPT THE EDIT THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
IT'S JUST TO ACCEPT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE, UH, ON THE DOCK.
THE, UM, MORE PREVALENT, LESS PREVALENT.
THIS, THIS LANGUAGE THAT'S NOT TO MAKE THE EDIT.
THAT IS THE MOTION NOT TO MAKE.
THE MOTION IS NOT TO ACCEPT THE EDIT.
NOT ACCEPT THE EDIT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
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DISTRICT TWO NO.SHE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR US.
COMMISSIONER HAWK, WE WILL COME BACK TO HER.
WELL YOU HAVE PAGE, OKAY, YOU HAVE EIGHT 12.
MR. MOORE, WHAT DO WE DO HERE? WHICH, SO BASED ON MY COUNT, THE VOTE IS EIGHT TO SIX.
SO I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS UNDER, IT DOES NOT MATTER.
RIGHT? UNDER CHAPTER EIGHT, SHOOT, IT WOULD BE COUNTED AS A YES.
YES, BUT IT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER 'CAUSE THERE'S A TWO DIFF VOTE DIFFERENCE.
TAKES US TO NUMBER WHERE WE AT 32? YES.
SO THE QUESTION, I THINK THE, THE BIGGER QUESTION IN COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TOWARD THIS, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS TO REMOVE LODGING OR TO, I'M SORRY, TO REMOVE MIXED USE, WHICH INCLUDES LODGING OUT OF A SECONDARY USE.
DIDN'T WE ALREADY VOTE ON THIS RESIDE? DID WE NOT VOTE? YES, THAT WAS MY PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THE MIXED USE AS A SECONDARY, UM, USE IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE BEFORE.
WHICH ONE? UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT SECOND? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND.
I, BUT I CALL DISCUSSION I COMMISSIONER.
SO I THINK THAT THE PART OF IT WHERE IT SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, NO CHANGE THERE IS AND NO REFERENCE TO SER AND THE PLAN, THIS IS A CODE ISSUE, NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ISSUE.
I WOULD DE I WOULD SAY THAT IS UH, NOT TRUE.
I'M DEALING WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
AGAIN, I'M IN THE MIDDLE AREA PLAN AND IT, I BELIEVE THAT IS A COMPREHENSION PLAN.
USE, UM, THE INCLUSION AREA MIXED USE INCLUDING DO LOUNGING AS A SECONDARY USE IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENT.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT IS, NO, WHAT STAFF WAS SAYING IS THAT STR ARE NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ISSUE.
THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE PLAN.
AND WHY ARE THEY NOT? THAT'S A ZONING ISSUE.
I, OKAY, SO THE INCLUSION OF MIXED USE LODGING, PASTOR CHAIR RUBEN.
WHAT? YEAH, I I DIDN'T, I'LL CONFUSED.
ARE YOU SORRY, I DIDN'T WANNA, UH, I'D ENCOURAGE US TO STEP BACK FOR, FOR JUST A MINUTE AND LOOK AT THE MATRIX.
MIXED USE IS A SECONDARY LAND USE, UH, SECONDARY USE ALLOWED IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, NOT A PRIMARY, BUT IF YOU LOOK TO THE VERY NEXT COLUMN, UM, ON COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL'S, THE LODGING COLUMN AND THERE IS NO CIRCLE ON THAT COLUMN, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, SPEAKS PRETTY CLEARLY THAT IF WE WERE TO GET A CASE IN, IN COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL, THAT UM, WOULD INVOLVE A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT INVOLVES SOME COMBINATION OF SOME OTHER USE IN LODGING.
THIS WOULD POINT IN THE DIRECTION OF NOT SUPPORTING THAT PARTICULAR MIXED USE PROJECT.
UM, THERE THERE'S A PHRASE THAT, THAT SOMEONE USED THAT, THAT ELEPHANTS DON'T HIDE IN, IN, IN MOUSE HOLES.
AND I DON'T SEE THE INCLUSION OF MIXED USE AS A SECONDARY USE WITHIN, UM, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AS A WAY TO SNEAKILY INCORPORATE STR AS I THINK THIS BODY, YOU KNOW, AND COUNCIL SPOKE LOUD AND CLEAR ON THE STR ISSUE LAST YEAR AND THIS INCLUDING MIXED USE AS A SECONDARY LAND USE AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM
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A, AN ATTEMPT OR EVEN A REMOTELY FEASIBLE WAY TO, UM, REINJECT QUESTIONS ABOUT STR BACK INTO COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? LET'S TAKE A RECORDED VOTE SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, SO IS IT COLD OR IS IT, I'M CONFUSED.
I'M THINKING THAT HE CLARIFIED WHAT I WAS ASKING, BUT I'M CONFUSED.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT INCLUDING, UM, THE INCLUSION OF MIXED USE, INCLUDING LOGIC AS SECONDARY USE AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL? BUT IT DOES, IS IT OR IS IT NOT REVISITING THAT? IT SHOULDN'T BE REVISITING.
CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION? 'CAUSE YOUR MOTION IS NOT EXACTLY THE WORDING THAT'S ON THE DOCUMENT.
'CAUSE MY, YES, MY MOTION WAS TO REMOVE, UM, MIXED USE AS A SECONDARY, UH, A SECONDARY USE UNDER THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS AND I BELIEVE IT SHOULD STAY.
SO THAT'S WHERE'S THE ISSUE? THAT'S, YES.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE WHERE WE ARE.
AND UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, MADE A CONNECTION TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN SAID THAT THAT CONNECTION IS FLIMSY AND NOT, I'M PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MOUTH.
IF I, AND I FRANKLY, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A COMPLETELY, TOTALLY SEPARATE ISSUE THAT, THAT THIS BODY AND COUNSEL HAS ALREADY SOUNDLY MADE A DECISION ON.
UH, SO I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING, UM, THE ADJUSTMENT.
MAYBE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT DIFFERENT.
AND AGAIN, AGAIN, I'M IN THE MIDDLE AREA PLAN THAT WE'RE AT.
SO MY BRI SO I'M THINKING THAT IT'S SAYING MIXED USE INCLUDING LODGING LIKE IN OUR CORRIDORS.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT IS WHERE OUR CORRIDORS INCLUDE.
THAT'S WHAT MY, I NEED TO CLARIFY.
OKAY, SO THEN LET'S, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES SIR.
JUST TO CLARIFY, IF WE PASS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER'S MOTION, THEN THERE WOULD BE A BLANK THERE, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF A CIRCLE? WELL JUST LIKE UNDER LODGING THERE'S A BLANK.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLARIFIED.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
YEAH, I THINK WHERE THE CONFUSION IS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, LODGING IS INCLUDED IN MIXED USE AS A SECONDARY USE.
AND WHEN YOU GO TO COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL LODGING IS NOT.
SO THE DOCUMENT IS INCONSISTENT.
SO TO CLARIFY THAT IT IS ONLY INCLUDED IF IT'S MIXED USE A SINGLE, LIKE A HOTEL OR SOME TYPE AS IT SAYS, HOTELS, MOTELS ARE EXTENDED STAYS ARE LODGING.
ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUGH? MIXED USE? NO, BECAUSE MIXED USE COULD BE 18,000 DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT ISN'T THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S MOTION MIXED USE? CORRECT.
BUT YOU COULD IN MIXED USE, YES, YOU COULD IN A MIXED USE CIRCUMSTANCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY, A REQUEST COULD COME FORWARD WITH A LODGING COMPONENT, BUT THEN IF YOU DEFAULT BACK TO THIS, IT SAYS IF IT'S GOT A LODGING COMPONENT IN IT THAT IT'S NOT FAVORED PER THIS TABLE.
IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED OR SUGGESTED.
SO YOU WOULD DEFAULT BACK TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL AREA, I WOULD DEFAULT TO IS IT COMMERCIAL, IS IT OFFICE? IS IT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING? OH, OKAY.
WELL I GUESS I'M JUST TOO STUPID TO READ IT.
SO MAYBE I'M JUST THE ONLY ONE VICE CHAIR.
OKAY, LET'S HAVE A RECORDED VOTE.
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AND PLACE 15.SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS IS THEN MR. MOORE? DO WE NEED A LIKE THAT? IT JUST FAILS.
SO LET'S, THAT TAKES US TO NUMBER 36.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION ON 36 IS TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UM, I GUESS WE WERE PENDING ON THIS.
GIVEN THE RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN ITEM 35, IF THAT ADDRESSED AND THE FACT THAT THERE WAS AN ACTION STEP ADDED INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE, I'M NO, I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, STRIKE 36 BASED ON THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE IN 35.
SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR RUBIN, ANY DISCUSSIONS? C ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I, I BELIEVE THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT BLOCK AND IT IS, UH, 2 39.
GEORGE, ARE WE RECORDING? SIR? WE ARE RECORDING COMMISSIONERS.
IT IS 2 57 AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
WE'RE GONNA GET, UH, THE NEXT 10 ITEMS READ IN GIL.
ALL RIGHT, SO STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER 41, UM, THE PROPOSED TEXT UNDER CRB DASH THREE, STRIKE THE FIRST PART THAT SAYS INDUSTRIAL HUB.
THE INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACE TYPE AND START THE SENTENCE WITH INDUSTRIAL USES SHOULD NOT BE ADD WITHIN OR ADJACENT TO THIS PLACE.
TYPE ITEM NUMBER 42 IS TO PULL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, AND MAYBE JUST PROVIDING SOME CLARITY AND IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ADJUST ADJUSTMENTS, BUT THE CURRENT TEXT IS, THIS IS REFERRING TO ITEM CUA DASH FIVE.
AFFORDABILITY SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED IF REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS AND ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO AVOID DISPLAY.
UH, DISPLACEMENT OF CURRENT RESIDENTS.
UM, 43 IS RECOMMENDED TO BE PULLED FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
UM, THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS TO CHANGE DEEP ELM FROM AN EXAMPLE OF COMMUNITY MIXED USE TO AN EXAMPLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
ITEM NUMBER 44 IS THE PROPOSED TEXT IS TO INCORPORATE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON NEARBY ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND ADD THE TEXT AND REDUCE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INTRODUCTIONS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES.
ITEM NUMBER 45 IS PENDING TEXT IS UH, OR PROPOSED TEXT IS STRATEGICALLY POSITION PARKING FACILITIES BEHIND BUILDINGS ADD WRAPPED BY BUILDINGS OR IN, UM, INSIDE YARDS ADD OR BELOW GRADE MINIMIZING THE VISUAL IMPACT OF SURFACE PARKING AND OPTIMIZED SHARED PARKING OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, PROPOSED TEXT IS ON STREET PARKING.
ADD IN COMMERCIAL AREAS IS ENCOURAGED.
ITEM 47, UM, IS IT COULD, WE MAY NEED TO PULL THIS FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, BUT THE, UM, OPTION IS EITHER TO STRIKE IT OR THAT THE LANGUAGE COULD READ WHERE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE ADJACENT TO ADD ADJACENT TO STRIKE THE WORD NEAR RESIDENTIAL USES, THEY SHOULD RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER IN SCALE PROPORTION AND MASSING.
THE PROPOSED TEXT IS BUILDINGS ARE TYPICALLY LOCATED NEAR THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK ON LOCAL AND MAIN STREETS AND ON ARTERIAL STREETS.
GREATER SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND STREET TRAVEL LIENS IS PROVIDED ADD WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFERS BETWEEN THE STREETS AND THE SIDEWALKS TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
ITEM 49, THE PROPOSED TEXT IS AREAS INTENDED FOR TRANSITION FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE COMMUNITY.
MIXED USE PLACE TYPE GENERALLY CONSIST OF ROADWAY CORRIDORS ARE INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT ARE NO LONGER ADD OR NEVER WERE COMPATIBLE WITH ADD APPROXIMATE RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR THE BROADER SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S THOSE ARE ITEMS 41 THROUGH 50.
ITEM NUMBER 50 IS RECOMMENDED TO BE PULLED, UM, PER ADDITIONAL CCPC DIRECTION.
UM, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, OR THE ISSUE IS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CHANGE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES USED WITHIN THE PLACE.
COMMISSIONERS 41 THROUGH 50 WITH 42, 43 AND
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50 PULLED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.THAT LEAVES 41, 44, 45, 46, 48, 49.
ANY OF THOSE COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR, UH, SECOND TO, UH, ACCEPT THE ADJUSTMENTS AS MADE BY OUR COLLEAGUES ON ITEMS 41, 44, 45, 46, 48, AND 49.
ALTHOUGH ALL THOSE UH, IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT GO TO 42 CHAIR.
YES, I'M WILLING TO PULL 42 BASED ON THE, UH, THANK COMMISSIONER WE MADE LAST TIME ABOUT THE OVERLAY IN THE HIGH RISK SCENARIO.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND I WILL SECOND THAT.
UH, ALL THOSE, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NUMBER 43 IS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND SHE'S OUT OF THE CHAMBER FOR THE MONTH.
OKAY, THEN LET'S, LET'S READ THE NEXT 10.
SO WE, WE'LL TABLE ITEM 43 AND 50 FOR THE MOMENT.
THE PROPOSED TEXT IS WHEN POSSIBLE ENCOURAGED BELOW GRADE OR WRAPPED PARKING.
ITEM 52, UM, THE PROPOSED TEXT TO CMA DASH EIGHT START THE SENTENCE WITH CERTAIN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, UM, IS INTENDED AS A SUPPORT ARE INTENDED AS A SUPPORTIVE COMPONENT, LIMITED IN SCALE SUCH AS SMALL OFFICE WAREHOUSE, SHOWROOM, ADD SHOWROOMS AND MAKER AND ARTISANAL SPACES AND DESIGNED TO FIT COHESIVELY WITHIN THE OVERALL COMPOSITION OF THE PLACE.
TYPE ITEM 53, PROPOSED TEXT TO CMB DASH TWO ADDITIONAL ADD THE WORD INCOMPATIBLE.
INDUSTRIAL USES SHOULD NOT BE ADDED TO AREAS TRANSITIONING AWAY FROM INDUSTRIAL.
54 IS RECOMMENDED TO BE PULLED FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
UM, THIS IS TO ADDRESS ITEMS 11 AND 13 AND UM, THAT THEY'RE SAYING THE OPPOSITE.
THEY'RE SAYING OPPOSITE THINGS, BUT THERE COULD BE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CLARIFICATION.
THE PROPOSED TEXT, UM, TO NUMBER 14, SPACE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE FACE OF THE BA BUILDINGS.
ADD THE WORD MAY CONTAIN OUTDOOR SEATING OR USABLE OPEN SPACE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO A LIVELY STREET SCAPE AND ACTIVE PUBLIC REALM.
UM, AGAIN, PULL RECOMMENDATION IS TO PULL FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
UM, IT'S TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO REPRESENT THE PLACE TYPES.
UM, NUMBER 57, THE PROPOSED TEXT IS LOADING AND SERVICE AREAS SHOULD BE LOCATED TOWARD THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND SCREEN FROM PUBLIC VIEW.
STRIKE THE REST OF THE SENTENCE UNLESS LOCATED AGAINST A NATURAL FEATURE LIKE A GREEN, A CREEK, OR GREEN OPEN SPACE.
58, PROPOSED TEXT TO CCA DASH ONE ADD, CHANGE THE TEXT AND ADD PROPERTIES WITHOUT STRUCTURES ON THEM OR WITHOUT ACTIVE LAND.
USES LIKE PARKING LOTS PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND SHOULD BE MAXIMIZED TO EXPAND THE CITY CENTER'S NEEDS AND FUNCTIONS.
LOTS OF THE CITY CENTER PLACE TYPE SHOULD BE IMPROVED TO MAXIMIZE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AND EXPAND THE AREAS FUNCTION AS A REGIONAL HUB OF COMMERCE AND EMPLOYMENT.
NUMBER 59, PROPOSED TEXT FOR CCA TWO.
ADD THE TEXT, NEW TEXT WHILE CERTAIN LOWER INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE REDEVELOPED FOR MORE INTENSE MIXED USE, MULTI-STORY DEVELOPMENT, CAREFUL ATTENTION MUST ALSO BE PAID TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND INCORPORATION OF A DIVERSITY OF USES TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN.
LOWER INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE REDEVELOPED FOR MORE INTENSE MIXED USE, MULTI-STORY DEVELOPMENT.
DID YOU READ 60 AND NUMBER 60 PROPOSED TEXT INCREASE STREET TREE PLANTINGS, ADD AND LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ALONG SIDEWALKS AND WITHIN STREET MEDIANS WHEN APPLICABLE TO IMPROVE TREE CANOPY AND ADD AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY WITHIN THE CITY CENTER.
THAT IS 51 THROUGH 60 WITH 54 AND 56.
NEEDING A LITTLE FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ANY OF THE OTHERS? OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
UH, AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO, UH, ACCEPT THE ADJUSTMENTS AS MADE BY COLLEAGUES ON ITEMS 51, 52, 53, 55, 57, 58, 59 AND 60.
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SEEING NONE.WELL, LET'S, YEAH, WE'LL GO TO 54 SINCE YOU READ IT AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND PICK UP THE OTHER TWO.
UH, 54 IS UM, BOTTOM OF PAGE 17 CLOSING REGARDING PLACEMENT OF BUILDINGS ISSUES.
SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE THOUGHT ELE, ALTHOUGH 11 AND 13 CAN BE VIEWED AS SIMILAR.
SIMILAR, THERE WAS A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT TO THE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT THEY WERE ADDRESSING.
SO NUMBER 11 IS ADDRESSING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PUBLIC REALM FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHEREAS 13 IS ADDRESSING SIDE AND REAR, REAR YARDS AND PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR WHEN ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I CAN, IF YOU WANT, I CAN READ THEM IN IF YOU WANNA, IT'S UP TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IF YOU WANT.
SO I'D LIKE YOU TO READ THEM PLEASE.
DID YOU WANT ME TO READ IT AGAIN? YES.
SO ITEM NUMBER 11 SAYS, BUILDINGS ARE TYPICALLY LOCATED NEAR THE BACK OF THE SIDEWALK ON LOCAL AND MAIN STREETS AND ON AN ARTERIAL STREETS GREATER SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND STREET TRAVEL LANES IS PROVIDED.
AND THIS IS IN THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE.
TYPE 13 BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED NEAR THE SIDE AND REAR PROPERTY LINES WHEN ABUTTING NEIGHBORHOODS, THE BUILDINGS ARE FURTHER FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THERE IS ROOM FOR LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
SO 11 IS TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE STREET, WHEREAS 13 IS SIDE IN REAR YARDS.
AND THEN BEING SPECIFIC ABOUT IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU TREAT IT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY IF IT'S ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WOULD IT BE MORE CLEAR THEN IF NUMBER 11 SAID THE FRONT FRONT FACADES OF BUILDINGS? WE COULD DO THAT CLARIFYING FRONT FACADE OF BUILDING.
THAT WAS A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, LET'S GO TO 56 AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND PICK UP THE OTHER TWO.
56 3 DASH THREE RE OH, THIS IS JUST GOING BACK TO EXAMPLE PICTURES.
SO WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
YEAH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY INFORMA, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH CHANGING THINGS OUT.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH CHANGING OUT EXAMPLES FOR THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES.
COMMISSIONER HALT? YEAH, MR. CHAIR.
UH, UH, HOW DI WELL HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO DO THAT? I, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT, THAT THE PHOTOGRAPH OF NORTH PARK SHOULD BE THERE.
HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DO THAT.
DO YOU HAVE STOCK PICTURES? WE DO.
OH, YOU DO? OR WE'LL DRIVE OUT TOMORROW AND TAKE AN UPDATED ONE.
UH, ON UH, 56 TO, YEAH, ON 56 ESSENTIALLY ACCEPT YOUR EDIT.
SWAP OUT THE PICTURE OF THE BUILDING ON TURTLE CREEK FOR A PICTURE OF NORTH PARK OR SOMETHING THAT FITS THAT PLACE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE BIGGER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE DEEP EL FROM AN EXAMPLE OF COMMUNITY MIXED USE AS IT CURRENTLY IS TO AN EXAMPLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
DID YOU, BUT ISN'T THIS A FUNCTION OF MAKING THIS ALIGN WITH THE MAP? WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE MAP IF WE CHANGED THIS.
MR. KINGSTON HAS ANY MORE CONTEXT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT A HILL I WOULD DIE
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ON.I JUST THINK THAT DEEP ELEMENT IS CHANGING AND IT'S CHANGING IN THAT DIRECTION AND THIS IS A FORWARD LOOKING PLANNING DOCUMENT.
I THINK IT'S BECOMING MORE RESIDENTIAL, MORE OFFICE, MORE ENTERTAINMENT, LESS WAREHOUSE ELSE.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, LET'S START OUT WITH THE MOTION AND THEN, SO YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO ACCEPT YOUR EDIT? YES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND SEC? YOU SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, ALL OF THE THINGS I JUST SAID.
ALL THE ABOVE, UH, DISCUSSION.
UM, I SEE THE SCALE OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN, IN THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OLDER ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECTS ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN SIZE AND SOME OF THE NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IS, IS HIGH RISE.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED IS FITTING WITH THIS ONE.
I SEE IT CLOSER TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE, BUT AGAIN, AIN'T THE IN A HILL TO DIE ON ISSUE FOR ME.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOW THE COMMISSIONER? YEAH, I, I'LL I CAN SAY DETO BASICALLY.
YEAH, THE SCALE SEEMS MORE COMMUNITY MIXED USE TO ME, BUT I'M, UH, I'M NOT ADAMANT ABOUT IT.
IF SOMEONE ELSE IS, I'LL DEFER TO THAT.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? WELL I THINK I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER, UM, KINGSTON'S POINT BECAUSE WHILE IN THE, THE PD THAT IS IN PLACE ALLOWS FOR THE DENSITY, WHICH IS A LOT OF THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING, IT ALSO RECOGNIZES THE HISTORIC STOCK IN THE FABRIC.
AND DEEP EL WAS RECENTLY DESIGNATED AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT WITHIN OUR CITY, WITHIN OUR STATE.
I MEAN THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT FOR THEM AND I THINK HELPING LEAN TOWARDS THAT MIX OF USES IN THE LONG TERM IS WHAT THIS WOULD DO.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ANYTHING NECESSARILY CHANGES IN WHAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT RECOGNIZES THE HISTORIC PATTERN AND THE IMPORTANCE AS DEUM AS A HISTORIC CULTURAL ASSET FOR OUR CITY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
I WAIT, WAIT, I NEED, ACTUALLY NEED, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO CLARIFY THAT.
OKAY, SO WE'RE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, THIS ISN'T JUST A MATTER OF CHANGING THE PICTURE.
ARE WE SAYING NOW THAT DEEP ELM IS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE PLACE TYPE AND THAT THEY WE'RE RECOMMENDING ONLY THREE TO FOUR STORIES IN DEBELL? BECAUSE IF WE SWITCH IT TO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE WITHIN NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE THAT DEFINES THAT AS THREE TO FOUR STORIES, BUT I'M HAPPY.
CAN WE HAVE A QUICK REVIEW OFFLINE? CAN WE TABLE THIS? PATRICK, DO YOU WANNA WEIGH? YEAH, SO JUST AGAIN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIX USE PLACE TYPE IS FOR A MIX OF LAND USES FROM RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL OFFICE, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, UM, THAT ARE PRIMARILY IN LOW-RISE STRUCTURES.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE FOUR STORIES OR LESS.
THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE IS A PLACE TYPE FOUR.
UM, AGAIN, A MIX OF LAND USES FROM RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL, RESTAURANT OFFICE, ENTERTAINMENT, UM, JUST LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
AND SO THAT GETS INTO THE LOW TO MID-RISE STRUCTURES.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD GO INTO MORE OF THE 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT STORIES.
UM, AND THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PLACE TYPES IS THE SCALE AND SCOPE OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN THOSE AREAS.
AND SO IF WE CHANGE IT FROM COMMUNITY MIXED USE TO NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, UM, THE VISION FOR THAT AREA WOULD THEN SAY THAT NOTHING OVER, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE REGULARLY OVER FOUR STORIES AND HEIGHT IN DEEP ELLUM.
WHAT IS THE EXISTING CHARACTER? WHAT IS THE HISTORIC CHARACTER IN MANY OF OUR CULTURAL ASSETS IN DEEP EL? SO SORRY, IF YOU CAN RE REPEAT THE, WHAT WHAT'S THE SCALE OF THE, OF OUR, THE FABRIC THAT WE WOULD TRY TO ACKNOWLEDGE, PROTECT, AND HAVE BEEN REGULARLY SPOKEN ABOUT.
WHAT SCALE ARE THOSE? YEAH, SO THE HISTORIC MANY, MOST OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, IF NOT ALL OF THOSE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE LOW RISE STRUCTURES.
AND I DON'T, AND AGAIN, I THINK AS WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS IS ADVISORY.
IT HAS AN EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT GUIDES ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE AREA.
SO THIS WOULD NOT PRECLUDE WHAT'S ALLOWED IN EXISTING ON THE GROUND.
AM I NOT CORRECT? SO IT WOULDN'T, UM, SO I WOULD SUGGEST AND, AND, AND, AND TO QUICKLY MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL MAP EDITS AND I THINK PERHAPS THAT'S THE BETTER POINT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION TO SAY, SHOULD WE CHANGE DEEP L TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE FROM A COMMUNITY MIXED USE AS WE'RE DOING THE OTHER SEVEN MAP EDITS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED? WELL, I THINK IF THAT'S THE CASE, THERE HAS TO BE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BECAUSE THIS BODY JUST TOOK A VOTE.
AT THAT POINT WE WOULD RECONSIDER IF
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IT'S, WE CAN'T TABLE IT NOW, BUT, UM, IF WE SEE THE MAPS AND, AND SOMEONE WANTS TO, SO THE END OF THE MEETING WE CAN MAKE THAT, AND IN THE INTERIM, I WILL VISIT WITH MS. GILIS AND MR. BLADES AND SEE IF WE WANNA ENTERTAIN THAT AT THAT TIME.THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
AND I ALSO JUST POINT SOMETHING OUT.
IF IT'S A MATTER OF TAKING A PORTION OF DEEP ELM THAT IS OF LOWER SCALE AND OF THE HISTORIC AREAS AND USING THAT PICTURE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD USE PICTURE, THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN COMPLETELY CHANGING THE PLACE TYPE.
AND THAT IS, THAT'S A HUGE CHANGE.
WELL, I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON IS SUGGESTING IS WE HAVE A CONVERSATION AT THE BREAK AND, AND, AND TALK ABOUT IT.
I DID NOT INTEND THIS TO BE A PICTORIAL CHANGE.
LET'S, WE'LL REVISIT THAT AFTER THE NEXT BREAK.
WE CAN MOVE TO RECONSIDER IF WE, WE NEED TO, LET'S MOVE TO NUMBER 50 THEN.
COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? I, I WOULD SUPPORT A RECONSIDERATION.
I WOULD'VE PREFERRED A DISTRICT BY DISTRICT VOTE ON THAT LAST VOTE.
AND I THINK TO CHANGE THIS FROM WHAT STAFF WAS RECOMMENDED, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE OUR HEAD IN THE SAND ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN DEEP EL.
WE CAN MAKE A, A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AT ANY MOMENT, BUT MOVED.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER OUR COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK DISCUSSION MA'AM? COMMISSIONER, MA'AM, TO TABLE THAT.
IS THAT POSSIBLE TO TABLE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER WE NO, YOU, WE, WE VOTE ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
THANK YOU MR. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
CAN WE, CAN WE TABLE AFTER WE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER PASSES? YES.
THAT IS AN OPTION FOR THE BODY.
OKAY, THEN, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOUSE.
I SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SCHOCK TO RECONSIDER ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? UH, WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION.
CAN WE TABLE THE ITEM NOW TO, UH, AFTER THE NEXT BREAK? WOULD THAT BE OKAY? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR THE MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT BREAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OKAY, SO WE'LL RECONSIDER THIS ITEM.
WELL, YES, AFTER THE NEXT BREAK, NOW WE GO TO 50.
MR. COMMISSIONER CHAIR, VICE CHAIR.
I WOULD MOVE TO TABLE ITEM 50 AS WELL SINCE IT SEEMS TO ACCOMPANY ITEM 43 UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT BREAK.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.
PART OF IT'S JUST PICTORIAL, BUT PART OF IT'S, UH, SUBSTANTIVE.
OKAY, SO WE WILL TABLE THAT, UH, TILL AFTER THE NEXT BREAK.
RIGHT IN PLEASE? UH, YES, I THINK I SECONDED IT TO, UH, DO WE NEED A, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO TABLE, DO WE? SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? DO WE NEED A MOTION TO TABLE? I, NO, ACTUALLY I, MY SUGGESTION CHANGE ON NUMBER 50 WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PICTURES WERE RIGHT, THEY INCLUDED A PICTURE OF HENDERSON AVENUE AS AN EXAMPLE OF DEEP EL AND THAT IS NOT CORRECT.
THAT'S THE ONLY SUGGESTED CHANGE THERE.
I DON'T SEE A REASON TO TABLE IT.
WHAT? SO THE MOTION WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY TO INCLUDE, UH, A PHOTOGRAPH OF DEEP ELLUM IN THE DEEP ELLUM SECTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS.
SO WE USE TABLE 43 ONLY AND WE'LL GO TO 61 THROUGH 70.
DIDN'T WE UH, PULL 47? I'M SORRY I USE THAT.
DIDN'T WE PULL 47 FOR REVIEW? I'M SORRY.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE IT? 47 WE VOTED ON COMMISSIONER C CARPENTER.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE A LITTLE RED DOT ON IT CHAIR.
YES, THERE'S TWO PARTS TO FIF TO 50.
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THERE'S ALSO, UH, A MOTION TO MOVE THE, UM, PHOTOGRAPH OF HENDERSON AVENUE TO THE SECTION ON HENDERSON AVENUE.YOU DID YOUR MOTION TAKE THOSE TWO ITEMS OR JUST THE FIRST TO BE CLEAR THEN I WILL, I WILL SECOND THE SECOND MOTION.
YOU OPPOSED? AYES HAVE, THOSE ARE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT PHOTOS ON NUMBER 50.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UH, THAT WAS 50.
I HAVE, AND THEN SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT 47.
I HAVE IT AS IT BEING DISPOSED OF.
DID WE NOT DISPOSE OF 47? WE DID NOT DISPOSE OF 47.
DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE THAT FOR ITEM THAT FOR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? DID YOU NOT HAVE THAT FOR ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? YES.
AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THERE THAT SAID WE DISPOSED OF IT.
I THINK THIS ONE IS UP TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WHICH WAY SHE WANTS TO GO.
UM, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WE COULD EITHER DELETE AS CURRENTLY IS DELETE WHERE THIS ENTIRETY OF WHERE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE NEAR RESIDENTIAL USES.
THEY SHOULD RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER IN SCALE PROPORTION AND MASSING OR GO WITH THE CLARIFYING INFORMATION WHERE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ARE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES.
THEY SHOULD RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER IN SCALE PROPORTION AND MASSING.
YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT WE VOTED ON THIS DIDN.
WE DO YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR NOTES? I OKAY.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, MAY I MAKE A MOTION PLEASE TO ACCEPT THE ON ITEM 47, THE STAFF'S AMENDED LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY WHERE BUILDINGS ARE ADJACENT TO AND STRIKE NEAR.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION.
I SECOND IT TO, UH, ACCEPT THE ADJUSTMENT AS PROPOSED BY STAFF ON ITEM NUMBER 47.
SO NOW WE GO TO 61 THROUGH 70.
OKAY, ITEM 61 THROUGH 70, ITEM NUMBER 61, PROPOSED TEXT UNDER MOBILITY AND ACCESS, ADD AN ITEM INCORPORATE AND THIS IS A COMPLETELY NEW ITEM.
INCORPORATE AND LOOP IN THE CITY'S TRAIL SYSTEM FOR ACCESS TO THE CITY CENTER AND TO SERVE AS PART OF THE CITY'S MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
ITEM 62, ADD IN NEW TEXT, PROPOSED TEXT UNDER MOBILITY AND ACCESS.
AUTOCENTRIC AMENITIES LIKE DRIVE THROUGH ACCESS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE IN THE CITY CENTER.
ITEM NUMBER 63, UM, PROPOSED TEXT TO NUMBER 10.
STRUCTURED PARKING SHOULD ADD, IDEALLY BE BURIED, BUT IF ABOVE GROUND SHOULD BE WRAPPED, SCREENED, AND LOCATED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH PEDESTRIAN THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT.
ITEM NUMBER 64 IS TO DELETE FROM THE CHARACTER DESCRIPTION, THE SENTENCE.
THIS PLACE TYPE ALSO HOUSES CIVIC UTILITY CAMPUSES AND FAC AND FACILITIES THAT PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES TO THE CITY.
THAT'S ADDRESSING A MOTION THAT WAS MADE AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 65 IS, UM, IT IS PROPOSED TO KEEP NUMBER NINE AND DELETE NUMBER 10.
THE COMMENT WAS THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE VERY SIMILAR, SO IT WOULD KEEP NUMBER NINE, UTILIZE ON STREETE LANDSCAPING AND PARKING LOT DESIGNED TO SCREEN PARKING AND SERVICE AREAS TO CREATE AN INVITING PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT.
STRIKE NUMBER 10, INCORPORATE ONSITE LANDSCAPING TO SCREEN PARKING AND SERVICE AREAS FROM PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.
NUMBER 66, SAME ISSUE IS THAT 16 AND 18 ARE VERY SIMILAR.
STAFF PROPOSES COMBINING THE TWO ITEMS INTO NUMBER 16 AND DELETING 18 AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER 16, MORE INTENSELY DEVELOPED.
INSTITUTIONAL CAMPUSES HAVE BUILDINGS AND OPEN SPACES THAT LINE STREET FRONTAGES PROVIDING AN URBAN EDGE WHILE LAWNS AND OPEN SPACES TYPICALLY LINE THE STREETS OF LESS INTENSELY DEVELOPED CAMPUSES AND SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS ARE TYPICALLY LARGER REFLECTING THE DISPERSED NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT STRIKE.
NUMBER 18, FOR LESS INTENSELY DEVELOPED CAMPUSES, SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS ARE LARGER, REFLECTING THE DISPERSED NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
NUMBER 67, THE PROPOSED TEXT, FIRST PARAGRAPH UNDER CHARACTER DESCRIPTION, LAST SENTENCE, FURTHER INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL PROXIMITIES TO RESIDENTIAL SHOULD NOT OCCUR WITHIN THIS PLACE.
TYPE ADD NEW TEXT AND AS NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SHOULD
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BE GIVEN PRIORITY AND ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ADDRESS EXISTING IN INCOMPATIBILITIES.UM, PROPOSED TEXTS UNDER SECOND P OR SECOND PARAGRAPH UNDER CHARACTER DESCRIPTIONS, BUILDINGS WITHIN THE FLEX COMMERCIAL PLACE TYPES SHOULD BE DE DESIGNED INTENTIONALLY AND BUILT TO BE VERSATILE TO ACCOMMODATE A MIX OF USES AT ONE TIME OR AS USES TRANSITION FROM ANOTHER, INCLUDING OFFICE RESEARCH, ATHLETIC SPACES ADD SMALL WAREHOUSES AND LIGHT PRODUCTIONS.
NUMBER 69 POLL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT'S JUST ADDING IN CLARIFYING LANGUAGE ABOUT LOCATION.
AND THEN NUMBER 70, UM, WHICH IS RELATED TO A PREVIOUS ISSUE THAT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
UM, THEN STAFF HAS NO ISSUE WITH CHANGING THE WORD FROM BUFFER TO FEET.
SO THAT AGAIN, THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS NEARLY 70,000 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL LAND, 40% OF THE CITY LAND, OF WHICH ALMOST 10,007 OR ACRES, 4% IS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET.
STRIKE BUFFER FOOT BUFFER OF AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE DISTRICT.
COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S THOSE ARE ITEM 61 THROUGH 70 WITH 69.
I'D LIKE TO PULL FOR 63 AS WELL.
ANY OTHERS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, I GET A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 61, 62, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68 AND 70.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, SECONDED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER HALL.
ANY COMMENTS, DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
YOU HAVE A MOTION, KINGSTON? YEAH, I WOULD CHANGE THE PROPOSED TEXT TO STRUCTURED PARKING SHOULD BE BURIED BELOW GRADE AND LOCATED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
SO THIS IS ONLY IN THE CITY CENTER AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ABOVE GRADE PARKING IN THE CITY CENTER ANYMORE.
UM, I THINK IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING IN THE CITY CENTER THAT YOU SHOULD BURY YOUR PARKING.
FRANKLY, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING IN THE CITY CENTER AND WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD ANYMORE.
BUT IF SOMEBODY FEELS DIFFERENTLY, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE BELOW GRADE BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU PUT IT ABOVE GRADE AND YOU PUT A PODIUM THERE, YOU CAN SCREEN IT, YOU CAN PAINT IT, YOU CAN PUT A SIGN ON IT, YOU CAN PUT WHATEVER AMOUNT OF LIPSTICK YOU WANT ON IT.
IT'S STILL A PARKING PODIUM AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
AND IT, IT WILL INTERFERE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND IT WILL DETRACT FROM OUR ABILITY TO, UM, USE THAT LAND IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE AND TO HAVE THE TYPE OF, UM, INVITING ENVIRONMENT FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS, FOR PATIOS, FOR SPACES, ENTERTAINMENT SPACES THAT MAKE A DOWNTOWN VIBRANT AND INVITING.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE STRICKEN THE SUGGESTED LAY THE, THE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE THAT IS, WELL, IT SHOULD BE, BUT IF IT'S GOTTA BE ABOVE GRADE, IT SHOULD BE WRAPPED.
UM, I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S POINT OF VIEW ON THAT.
WE, THESE PODIUM BUILDINGS NEED TO BE ELIMINATED, UH, IN BEYOND CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, FRANKLY, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE FEWER AND FEWER CARS AND THESE ARE JUST GONNA BECOME ZOMBIE LAND USES AND, AND THEY'RE BAD ON DAY ONE AND THEY'LL BE BAD 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, I CAN SUPPORT THAT.
I I FULLY SUPPORT THE INTENT, INTENT OF THE MOTION.
YOU KNOW, ONE THING ALSO TO RAISE IS HAVING PARKED IN BELOW GROUND PARKING IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND ABOVE GROUND PARKING CENTRAL BUS DISTRICT, THE FACT THAT YOU BURY THE PARKING DOESN'T ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN AUTOMOBILE CONFLICT.
SO SHOULD WE INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT MINIMIZING INTERFERENCE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT AS WELL WITH OUR BELOW GROUND PARKING? I THOUGHT SHE KEPT, I THOUGHT SHE THOUGHT THAT WAS, OH, OKAY.
COULD I ALSO ADD THE, SO IF WE DO THIS, WHICH IS, I I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH, UM, AS A CONCEPT, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A MECHANISM TO REQUIRE IT IN THE CODE, IT COULD WE ADD THEN A RECOMMENDATION IN THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX THAT EXPLORES UPDATING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REQUIRE THAT PARKING IS BURIED? I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO ADD THAT AS AN IMPLEMENTATION TO THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
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HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.OPPOSED? THE AYE HAVE IT TAKES US TO NUMBER 69 CHAIR.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION TO PULL IT.
LET'S GO THROUGH 71 THROUGH 80.
ITEM NUMBER 71 IS A PROPOSED TEXT CHANGE TO FCB DASH TWO.
THIS PLACE TYPE MAY FUNCTION AS A STRIKE THE WORD BUFFER AND AT CHANGE TO TRANSITION.
SO THIS PLACE TYPE MAY FUNCTION AS A TRANSITION BETWEEN HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
ADDING, HOWEVER, THE TRANSITION SHOULD NOT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL TO AVOID PLACING MORE PEOPLE CLOSER TO INDUSTRY.
PARTICULAR ATTENTION SHOULD BE PAID TO THE TREATMENT OF EDGES, EDGE AREAS AND ADJACENT AREAS.
NUMBER 72, UM, POTENTIALLY ADDRESS OR THE FOLLOWING EDIT COULD BE CONSIDERED TO LH A DASH TWO.
THESE DEVELOPMENTS WILL FOCUS ON LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, INCLUDING CLEAN AND MANUFACTURING CENTERS TECHNOLOGY.
STRIKE THE WORD DATA AND JUST BE TECHNOLOGY CENTERS AND BIOTECH FACILITIES.
ITEM NUMBER 73, PROPOSED TEXTS FOR LH B TWO AS REINVESTMENT OCCURS IN LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK AREAS ADDRESSING ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS GENERATED BY SOURCES OF POLLUTION, PARTICULARLY THOSE IMPACTING DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED AND ADD AND NO NEW COMPA INCOMPATIBLE PROXIMITY SHOULD OCCUR.
ITEM NUMBER 74, PROPOSED TEXT LH HB THREE.
ADD IF, IF ANY, STRIKING CAPITAL A IF ANY NEW LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES IN THIS PLACE.
TYPE ADD R CONSIDERED ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS ADD.
AT MINIMUM THEY SHOULD BE LOW IMPACT, SMALL SCALED, STRIKE THE WORD AND SELF-CONTAINED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS AND, AND ADD AND NOT CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL INCOMPATIBILITIES.
I WILL READ THAT AGAIN WITHOUT THE STRIKES.
IF ANY NEW LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES IN THIS PLACE TYPE ARE CONSIDERED ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AT MINIMUM THEY SHOULD BE LOW IMPACTS, SMALL SCALED SELF-CONTAINED TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS AND NOT CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL INCOMPATIBILITIES.
ITEM NUMBER 75, PROPOSED TEXT TO ITEM NUMBER 12, ENCOURAGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN INDUSTRIAL AREAS TO PROVIDE STRIKE AMENITIES.
ADD SUPPORTIVE SERVICES TO LOCAL EMPLOYEES AND RESIDENTS AND STRIKE NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACE TYPE COMPRISES AREAS IDENTIFIED FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTION, SALVAGE AND STORAGE OPERATIONS ADD THESE AREAS AND THE USES THEY INCLUDE SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED IN OR NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
OTHER USES THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL USES SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED IN THESE AREAS.
INDUSTRIAL USES SUCH AS ASPHALT, BATCH PLANTS, BULK PROCESSING, WASTE COLLECTION AND SALVAGE FACILITIES ARE CONTAINED IN THIS PLACE.
TYPE THE STRATEGIC AND EQUITABLE LOCATION OF THIS PLACE.
ADD AWAY FROM PROXIMITY TO NEIGHBORHOODS AIMS TO ADDRESS HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES WHILE PROVIDING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT AND JOB CREATION.
UM, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO POLL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, STAFF DOESN'T RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES, UM, GIVEN THE CHANGES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE WITHIN THE DOCUMENT, BUT WE COULD FURTHER DISCUSS, EXCUSE ME, ITEM NUMBER 78.
UM, RECOMMENDS RECOMMEND PULLING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS, SO THIS IS REGARDING IHA TWO AND IHA THREE.
UM, THE COMMENT IS THAT THERE, THESE ARE UNREALISTIC INPUT TO ROSIE.
A PICTURE ON THIS PLACE TYPE STAFFER RECOMMENDS THAT THESE DO REMAIN ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THESE ARE ASPIRATIONAL CONCEPTS FOR THIS PLACE TYPE.
UM, BUT THE LANGUAGE HAS ALSO BEEN VETTED BY APPLICABLE DEPARTMENT STAFF OEQS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, NUMBER 79 STAFF RECOMMENDS PULLING FOR FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AS WELL, SORT OF RELATED TO THE PREVIOUS COMMENT THAT POTENTIALLY SEE PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT THE CHARACTER DESCRIPTION.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT ADDING LANGUAGE ABOUT JOB CREATION, UM, ALMOST AT THE EXPENSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ADD THAT AMENDMENT.
UM, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 80, PROPOSED TEXT
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TO IHB TWO.STRIKE THE BEGINNING OF THE SENTENCE AS REINVESTMENT OCCURS AND JUST START WITH, INDUSTRIAL HUB AREAS SHOULD ADDRESS STRIKE ADDRESSING ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS STRIKE GENERATED BY SOURCES OF EVOLUTION, PARTICULARLY THOSE IMPACTING DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
INDUSTRIAL HUB AREAS SHOULD ADDRESS ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE IMPACTING DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
71 THROUGH 80 WITH 77 AND 78 BEING PULLED FOR FURTHER ADJUSTMENT OR DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHERS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR 71 THROUGH 76 AND 80? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
SO I GUESS WE'RE THE, THE QUESTION IS TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN ADDED IN PREVIOUS ITEMS RATHER THAN THAT WE COULD, THAT SORT OF ADDRESSES THE CONCERN ABOUT SAYING THAT THESE ARE ONLY JOB CREATORS.
UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE WANTED TO PAUSE ON THAT AND NOT NECESSARILY AUTOMATICALLY DELETE IT, IS THAT THAT WAS SOME OF THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND, UM, ABOUT IDEALLY THAT WE HAVE SOME OF THESE INDUS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SOME OF THESE INDUSTRIAL USERS ARE JOB CREATORS, UM, AND POTENTIALLY COULD BE IN THE FUTURE.
NO, I CAN ELABORATE ON THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, MY DISTRICT IS HEAVILY INDUSTRIAL AND, AND THE MINDSET THAT HAS HAPPENED THROUGH THE DE THE DECADES IS WHENEVER INDUSTRIAL JOBS ARE BROUGHT UP AS BEING NECESSARY AND ARE PART OF TOWN, THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY JUSTIFIED BY THE FACT THAT THEY CREATE JOBS AND THAT IT HAS HISTORICALLY IGNORED THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT ALL TYPES OF BUSINESSES CREATE JOBS.
I WOULD JUST SORT OF LIKE TO SEVER TO BREAK THAT MINDSET THAT, THAT SUGGESTS THAT INDUSTRIAL, THE FACT THAT IN INDUSTRIAL HAS JOBS MAKES IT OKAY FOR IT TO BE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, WE KNOW THERE ARE JOBS THERE, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO DISASSOCIATE FROM THAT MINDSET.
CAN IS THAT YOUR MOTION TO KEEP YOUR MOTION IS TO, UH, RETAIN THE DELETION OF, UH, JOB CREATION AT THE END OF, OF THAT PARAGRAPH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND TO ACCEPT, UH, THE ADJUSTMENT THAT WE WERE SENT.
ANY DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? UM, JUST TO BE EXTREMELY BRIEF, I TOTALLY AGREE AND THE JOBS THAT GENERALLY ARE CREATED ARE NOT JOBS THAT ARE, ARE, ARE, UM, SATISFACTORY TO QUALITY OF LIFE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YOU NONE.
OPPOSED? ONE IN OPPOSITION COMMISSIONER HOUSE.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO READ THESE INTO THE RECORD, THE ONES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING? I THINK SO.
UM, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEMS ON PAGE 3 53 AND THEY ARE IHH TWO AND IHA THREE.
CURRENTLY THEY READ, THIS IS THE INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACE TYPE THEY CURRENTLY READ DESPITE EXISTING CHALLENGES, THE INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACE TYPE SHOULD ACCOMMODATE DALLAS'S INNOVATIVE AND CUTTING EDGE SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODELS THAT PROMOTE A GREEN ECONOMY.
A THREE IS ENHANCE AREAS DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL HUBS, ENSURING THEY EVOLVE INTO HEALTHY ENVIRONMENTS WITH QUALITY JOB OPPORTUNITIES WHILE SAFEGUARDING COMMUNITIES FROM ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
I AM WILLING TO, UM, STRIKE MY, UM, SUGGESTED DELETION OF IHA THREE.
I GUESS FOR IHA TWO, I WOULD PREFER SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAY DESPITE EXISTING CHALLENGES OF CURRENT CONDITIONS, THE INDUSTRIAL HUB PLACE TYPE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ACCOMMODATE DALLAS'S INNOVATIVE AND CUTTING EDGE SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC MODELS THAT PROMOTE A GREEN ECONOMY.
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I'LL SECOND THAT.WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, SECOND BY MYSELF TO, UH, STRIKE THE FIRST ONE AND MAKE THE SECOND ONE WITH THE ADJUSTED LANGUAGE AS READ UNDER THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
ANY DISCUSSION? SECOND? A THREE, THREE.
AND THE SECOND IHA THREE WE'RE, UM, KEEP, WE'RE STRIKING IHA THREE.
WE'RE KEEPING IHA TWO WITH THE, UH, LANGUAGE I READ INTO THE RECORD.
NO, I THOUGHT WE WERE KEEPING A THREE.
ANY COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, CNN? ALL IS IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO WE GO TO 79, SO I THINK IF THAT'S PAGE OKAY.
THIS IS, GOES BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
LET ME JUST CHECK WHERE PAGE 3 54 IS.
SO WE WILL AGREE AND KEEP AND STRIKE JOB CREATION.
THE MOTION IS TO, TO STRIKE JOB CREATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 81 IS, UM, THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION IS TO STRIKE NUMBER 13.
SO IT WOULD, WE WOULD BE STRIKING THE LANGUAGE LOADING DOCKS AND VEHICLE STORAGE ARE LOCATED TO THE SIDE OR REAR OF BUILDINGS AND SCREEN FROM STREETS.
OH, IT'S DUPLICATIVE LANGUAGE.
UM, PROPOSED TEXTS UNDER GENERAL NOTES, TOP OF PAGE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, UNDER WHERE THERE'S THE TWO ASES AND THE EQUALS KEY PARTNERS ALSO INCLUDE APPLICABLE COMMUNITY PARTNERS ADD IN INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOOD BASED GROUPS, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND ADVOCACY GROUPS NOT SHOWN ON THIS LIST.
ITEM NUMBER 83, PROPOSED TEXT OBJECTIVE A DASH ONE.
DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE STRATEGY THAT ADDRESSES EJ ISSUES AND GOALS IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
CCAP AND PRIORITIZE ADD AUTHORIZED HEARINGS IN AREAS WITH EJ CONCERNS AND STRIKE IDENTIFIED AREAS FOR LAND USE AND ZONING INTERVENTIONS.
SO IT WOULD READ, DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE STRATEGY THAT ADDRESSES EJ GOALS, EASE EJ ISSUES AND GOALS IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE IN CCAP AND PRIORITIZE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS IN AREAS WITH EJ CONCERNS.
ITEM NUMBER 84, PROPOSED TEXTS.
CREATE AN EJ REVIEW TOOL IN COLLABORATION WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO CONSIDER EJ IMPACTS IN ZONING CASES HEARD AT CPC.
THAT WAS AN ENTIRELY NEW ITEM.
UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REVIEW AND INCREASE THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL LAND USES FROM SENSITIVE LAND USES SUCH AS SCHOOLS, HOMES, AND CHURCHES.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, UM, AND I BELIEVE ALSO HAD COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AS WELL.
SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, PROPOSED TEXT TO OBJECTIVE A ONE, PRIORITIZE APPROPRIATE INCREASED DENSITY IN ZONING AROUND DART STATION'S.
ACTUALLY, SORRY, NOW THAT WE'RE JUST, I WE ACTUALLY HAVE UPDATED LANGUAGE, SO WE NEED TO PULL THIS FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION.
IT WILL, IT'S, IT, THE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN UPDATED.
WELL, ACTUALLY LET ME READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
WE'RE GOING TO THAT ONE SINGLE SHEET.
THIS IS RELATED TO ITEM 86 THAT THE PROPOSED TEXT WILL BE PRIORITIZE OR IT'S PROPOSED TO READ.
PRIORITIZE APPROPRIATE INCREASED DENSITY IN ZONING AROUND DART STATIONS, HIGH FREQUENCY TRANSIT NODES, AND ADD COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE.
COMPLETE STREETS, CORRIDORS, TRAILS, NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS, AND POTENTIAL FORWARD DALLAS, TOD AREAS OF FOCUS.
SO IT'S CLARIFYING WHAT CORRIDORS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OKAY, SO ITEM NUMBER 87, PROPOSE NEW TEXT, NEW ITEM UNDER OBJECTIVE C, COORDINATE AND BUILD OUT CITY'S BIKE AND TRAIL NETWORKS AND PROPOSE TEXT NEW UNDER NEW ITEM UNDER OBJECTIVE C AS WELL.
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LAST MILE TRANSIT OPTIONS LIKE SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES IN ALL AREAS OF THE CITY DURING TIMES THAT RESIDENTS NEED THEM.UM, I BELIEVE WE TALKED WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON WHO INITIATED THIS COMMENT.
AND THE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION IS THE FIRST PART OF THE PROPOSED TEXT.
SO IT WOULD BE PROPOSED TEXT OBJECTIVE A DASH THREE, EXPLORE THE CREATION OF AN INFILL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
ADDING THAT INCLUDE BUILT-IN DESIGN STANDARDS SUCH AS SETBACKS, GARAGE PLACEMENT, ROOF TYPES, ET CETERA, TO ALLOW APPROPRIATELY SCALED INFILLED HOUSING PERIOD.
THE REST OF THAT WOULD BE REMOVED AND OR NOT ADDED.
AND THEN FOR 89, OH THE, THIS IS, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION ACTUALLY FROM COMMISSIONER HAM HAMPTON AND ALSO RECOGNIZED BY UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PULL IT FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
IT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING THAT INTO THIS LIST OF ITEMS TO ADD IN MAXIMUM LOT SIZE INTO THE PROPOSED TEXT.
ADD TO OBJECTIVE A ONE AS A LIST OF POTENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS, MAXIMUM LOT SIZE.
AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 90 IS PROPOSED TEXT TO OBJECTIVE D 12.
INVESTIGATE THE REDUCTION OR REMOVAL OF RESTRICTIVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH CAN SERVE AS A BARRIER TO SMALL BUSINESS TO A SMALL BUSINESS PROJECT OR DEVELOPMENT.
FEAS SMALL BUSINESS PROJECT OR DEVELOPMENT FEASIBILITY ADD WHILE ENSURING THAT SUCH REDUCTIONS DO NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS COMMISSIONERS.
THOSE ARE ITEMS 81 THROUGH 90 WITH 86 AND 89 NEEDING FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHERS? OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION.
I DO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER.
AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO ACCEPT THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT MADE BY OUR COLLEAGUES ON ITEMS 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88, AND 90.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND AS IT WAS CIRCULATED IN THE UM, LANGUAGE, WE'VE USED CORRIDORS.
I TOOK SOME TIME AND ACTUALLY DID A WORD SEARCH THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.
THEY'RE USED IN MULTIPLE CONTACTS AS I'VE NOTED.
I'M IN THE RATIONALE INCLUDED HERE AND IT WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME CLARITY.
THIS ACTUALLY ALSO IS SOMETHING THAT IS SHOWN ON OUR PLACE TYPE MAP.
SO IT'S A CLEAR DESIGNATION OF WHAT THE INTENT IS.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK THE COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK IT JUST PROVIDES SOME CLARITY.
THAT'S ALL IT'S ATTEMPTING TO DO ON WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CORRIDORS.
UH, PRIORITIZE OUR, THE LANGUAGE AS SUBMITTED AND UNDER COMMERCIAL AT COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE CORRIDORS PER THE COMPLETE STREETS DOCUMENT AS CIRCULATED TO THE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE, NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I THINK THIS IS INTRODUCING MAXIMUM LOT SIZE UNDER THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'D PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ABOUT GARAGE PLACEMENT ROOFS TYPES.
UM, AS THE, WELL, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO ADD MAXIMUM LOT SIZE TO THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS.
AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER COOPER FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
I THINK, AS I HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER, IT'S IN NO WAY SAYING WHAT THE RIGHT SOLUTION IS, BUT AS, UM, I HAVE SEEN IN PRIOR PLANNING AND ZONING EFFORTS WITHIN THE CITY, UM, LOT SIZE IS AN ITEM THAT CAN DRAMATICALLY IMPACT THE SCALE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT TYPES, THIS JUST SPEAKS TO A CRITERIA THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION NOT LEADING TO WHAT THE OUTCOME IS.
PARTICULARLY AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THE PLAT CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.
THIS IS JUST SAYING WE SHOULD EVALUATE THIS FOR ITS IMPACT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER ELEMENTS.
I HOPE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT IN, IN SAYING THAT THERE IS A MAXIMUM LOT SIZE THAT WE ARE SAYING THAT THEY'RE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? THERE'S AGAIN, IT, AND IT'S NOT SAYING WHAT THE OUTCOME, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, CURRENTLY OUR CODE IS ONLY DEFINED IN TERMS OF MINIMUMS OR PREDOMINANTLY IN TERMS OF MINIMUMS. THIS WOULD SIMPLY SAY THAT WE LOOK AT IT, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SETBACKS, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ROOF TYPES, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT GARAGE PLACEMENTS, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, LISTED ITEMS THAT THIS WOULD BE ONE FOR POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION IN CONSIDERING A DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT.OH, WE HAVE OUR SEVEN FIVE R FIVE, R 10, OUR 13 R 16, HALF A QUARTER HALF.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A SPECIFIC, A LARGER LOT OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT, OR IS THIS SAYING THAT ON A PARTICULAR LOT, LOT COVERAGE SHOULD BE A MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE? ACTUALLY LOT COVERAGE WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR JUNE 17TH LIST.
THIS IS TALKING ABOUT LOT SIZE, AND I DON'T HAVE A GRAPHIC EXAMPLE, BUT I CAN USE ONE IN MY COMMUNITY WHEN IT WAS UP ZONE FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT BACK IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES.
THERE'S NUMEROUS EXAMPLES WHERE HOUSES WERE TORN DOWN, LOTS WERE COMBINED, AND THERE ARE NOW VERY LARGE FORMAT, UM, APARTMENT STRUCTURES THAT DISRUPT THAT BLOCK IN THE CHARACTER.
THEY'RE EMBEDDED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME STANDARD.
SO AS WE'RE SEEING REDEVELOPMENT NOW, THAT HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT A LOT OF THIS THESE ITEMS SPEAK TO, BUT WHEN IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO IS HOW WE MIGHT CONSIDER A LOT SIZE.
AND AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S ONE AND A HALF, MAYBE IT'S TWO.
IT'S I'M SURE GOING TO VARY BY AREA, BUT THAT IT WOULD SIMPLY BE A COMPONENT IN CONSIDERATION SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED.
MY CONCERN IS THAT IN SMALL TOWN RESIDENTIAL YOU ARE, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN MAXIMUM LOT SIZE, YOU ARE DEFINING WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE.
MR. CHAIR, MR MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS AMENDMENT IS JUST TO THE DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION OVERLAY.
IT'S NOT SPEAKING ABOUT ZONING DISTRICTS ONE A CORRECT CITYWIDE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOUSING CHOICE AND ACCESS.
A ONE REPLACED WITH, AND I'LL READ THE FULL THING TO ENSURE THAT DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES MAY BE ADDED INTO NEIGHBORHOODS ARE COMPATIBLE WITHIN EXISTING HOMES.
CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING DESIGN STANDARDS INTO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IN STRENGTHENING THE NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION OVERLAY ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS, AMONG OTHER THINGS, HEIGHT, ROOF DESIGN, GARAGE PARKING PLACEMENT, IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, LOT COVERAGE, SQUARE FOOTAGE, LOCATION OF FRONT DOORS, SETBACKS IN SOME INSTANCES, DESIGN STANDARDS FOR DISPARATE HOUSING TYPES MAY NEED TO BE MORE STRINGENT THAN THOSE IMPOSED ON THE ESTABLISHED HOUSING.
TYPE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, CONSIDER REQUIRING PARKING AT DUPLEXES IN THE REAR OF THE LOT WHILE CONTINUING TO ALLOW BUT NOT ENCOURAGE FRONT LOADED PARKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO WITHIN THAT LIST, HEIGHT, ROOF DESIGN, GARAGE PARKING, PLACEMENT, IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, LOT COVERAGE, SQUARE FOOTAGES, LOCATION OF FRONT DOORS, SETBACKS, ADD MAXIMUM LOT SIZE.
CAN I ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION PLEASE? SURE, OF COURSE.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE READING, I, IT, IT REFERENCES PAGE FOUR 10, ITEM A ONE.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT LANGUAGE HERE.
WE ADDED THIS ON OUR JUNE 17TH DISCUSSION, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A NEW DRAFT THAT INTEGRATES THAT.
SO I'M READING THIS FROM THE MOTION THAT WAS ADOPTED ON JUNE THE 17TH.
IT'S, IT'S NEW LANGUAGE TO NEW LANGUAGE.
I WOULD SAY STAFF DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT ADDITION BECAUSE IT IS JUST ANOTHER, AS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON SAID, IT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A STANDARD OR AN ISSUE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AS PART OF A BIGGER PROCESS.
SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER, IT ADDS TO THE LIST OF EXAMPLES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO CAN I, CAN I MAKE A A MAYBE A FRIENDLY REM AMENDMENT THAT SAYS THAT THIS REFERS TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF NEW, OR THAT IS IN THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE MAIN PART.
IT SAYS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING HOMES.
I YOU CAN'T SEE IT SO YOU CAN'T ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PRESSURE? I THINK I
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CAN BE OKAY WITH THIS GOING IN AS A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR SOAK IN THE FUTURE.OVERALL, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT POLICY DECISION OR NOT, I THINK IS A, A SEPARATE QUESTION.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON REFERENCED, I ASSUME IS THE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON, ON STREETS LIKE GASTON AND LIVE OAK THAT WERE REPLACED AT SOME POINT WITH, YOU KNOW, MID-SIZE APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
SO, AND, AND I THINK THERE'S A SORT OF DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ADDRESS ABOUT THOSE, ABOUT WHETHER THE BENEFIT OF THE ADDITIONAL HOUSING THAT WAS PROVIDED THERE WAS WORTH, YOU KNOW, THE LOSS OF THOSE HISTORIC SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND IS ULTIMATELY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, DEEP DISCUSSION AT, AT ZAC.
SO I'M FINE WITH IT AS THE DISCUSSION ITEM, UM, AND FINE WITH IT BEING HERE, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW IT SHAKES OUT AT ZAC AND LOOK FORWARD TO, TO DIVING FURTHER INTO THAT HISTORY WHEN WE TAKE THIS UP AT ZAC AND COMMISSIONER RA.
WELL, WELL, I'M, I'M PERSUADED I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, UH, SUPPORT THE MOTION.
HOWEVER, HOWEVER, I, YEAH, I'M, I'M STILL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I MEAN, PERSONALLY I AM IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING LOT SIZE MINIMUMS AND SO THE LOGIC TO ME WOULD FOLLOW THAT.
WHY WOULD I CREATE, EVER CREATE A MAXIMUM IF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE DIVERSE HOUSING TYPES, ET CETERA.
BUT I, IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCUSSION, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION, THANK VERY MUCH, MAYBE SOMEWHAT RELUCTANTLY, BUT I WILL SUPPORT
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THE, THE TABLE.
IT'S FOUR 19 AND WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
MOVING BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 43 AND I THINK COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER HAMPTON ON UM, ITEM 43.
SECOND, MR. HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND, UH, VICE CHAIR WEEN FOR YOUR SECOND TO WITHDRAW NUMBER 43.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT OPPOSED? HAMPTON.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE, THE OTHER SPREADSHEET COMMENTS ON CPC, INTERIM DRAFT NUMBER FOUR.
UH, A SPREADSHEET WITH SEVEN PAGES ON IT.
CAN, CAN WE CONFIRM THE BALANCE OF OUR SPREADSHEET THAT'S BEFORE US? YES.
UH, SO THE REMAINDER OF THEM HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO THE DOCKET, THEY'VE BEEN PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, SO IT CAN BE CONSIDERED ALL IN ONE MOTION AT, AT THE END OR, OR NOW? OR NOW? OR NOW.
SO CAN YOU CLARIFY THE, THE REMAINING ITEMS ARE JUST GRAMMATICAL CORRECTIONS? UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WERE ALL JUST GRAMMATICAL THINGS, BUT I THINK THEY WERE ALL ITEMS. IT'S A COMBINATION OF MULTIPLE THINGS, GRAMMATICAL ITEMS ALREADY ADDRESSED AT PREVIOUS CPC MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY WERE VOTED ON AT PREVIOUS CPC MEETINGS.
UM, ACKNOWLEDGING AGAIN THAT WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE NUMBERS AND CONFIRM NUMBERS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONSISTENT ASSISTANT.
IT IS PRIMARILY THOSE, BUT I CAN, IF SOMEBODY WANTS ME TO, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK.
OKAY, WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO THAT.
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NEED TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD? THEY DO NOT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ALREADY.YES, SO I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT IS WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE ARE.
OR THEY WERE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A MOTION TO GO ALONG WITH THEM AND IT WAS SORT OF LIKE A DULY NOTED.
UM, SO, BUT, AND I WOULD SAY, AND I DON'T WANNA, UH, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ON HERE OF THE COMMENTS THAT ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION WITH THAT BROUGHT IN THE COMMENT, THEY CAN ABSOLUTELY BRING THAT UP FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
BUT FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT THEY, THEY LARGELY FELL INTO THOSE CATEGORIES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UM, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PIECE AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.
SO THIS IS MOVING ON TO THE NEXT, THE SMALLER SPREADSHEET.
THE ONE THAT SAYS ONE OF SEVEN PAGES.
AND THIS REFERS TO THE GLOSSARY.
SO THESE, AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE MANY FEWER ITEMS THAT WE RECOMMENDED TO BE PULLED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
NOT TO SAY THAT YOU ALL ON YOUR OWN CAN'T DO THAT, BUT THAT FROM A STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE THERE WERE MANY FEWER ITEMS. SO I'LL START TO GO, I'LL READ THEM PAGE BY PAGE AND WE CAN GO THROUGH, UM, 'CAUSE I DO NEED TO READ THESE INTO THE RECORD.
UM, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM PAGE BY PAGE AND THEN SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL ANYTHING, UM, ON THOSE PAGES.
SO, UM, NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED TEXT.
THIS IS FOR THE DEFINITION OF BROWNFIELD SITES.
PROPOSED TEXT IS, AND WE UTILIZE THE OEQS DEFINITION IN COM IN COMBINATION WITH THE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE.
PROPOSED TEXT PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED LAND, OFTEN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH MAY BE COMPLICATED BY THE PRESENCE OR POTENTIAL PRESENCE OF A HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE, MAKING IT EXPENSIVE TO REPURPOSE OR REDEVELOP.
NUMBER TWO, UM, THERE IS PROPOSED TEXT.
THIS IS FOR THE DEFINITION OF BUFFER.
WE INCORPORATED THE LANG, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, LANDSCAPE ELEMENT OR INCREASED PHYSICAL SPACE UTILIZED TO CREATE A SEPARATION BETWEEN OR MAXIMIZE LAND USE NUISANCES ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTIES.
I'M SORRY, OR MINIMIZE LAND USE NUISANCES ON ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTIES.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE DID RECOMMEND THAT THIS WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON.
UM, THIS WAS A DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL.
UM, THE CURRENT TEXT IN THE DOCUMENT IS STANDARD COMMERCIAL LANGUAGE.
UM, IT'S A LAND USE CATEGORY REFERRING TO SALES OF CONSUMER GOODS, FOOD AND BEVERAGES OR SALES OF PERSONAL SERVICES.
IT'S PRETTY STANDARDIZED COMMERCIAL LANGUAGE.
SO, UM, AND THEN NUMBER FOUR IS THE PROPOSED TEXT FOR CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.
THIS IS CLARIFYING THAT WE UTILIZED THE CITY'S DEFINITION OF, UM, OH WAIT, UH, SORRY, OF CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AS WELL AS PDS AND THEN PROPOSE TO ADD THE LANGUAGE.
THEY MAY BE NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVEN OR REQUESTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER.
THAT'S FOR PDS TO SPECIFY THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE THAT MATCHES THE ADDED LANGUAGE FROM THE INTRODUCTION.
TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD LED PDS, SO MATCHING THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REWRITE TO BE MORE CLEAR.
UM, THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW IS THE, UM, THE A PA DEFINITION, WHICH IS LINEAR PATHWAYS THAT CONNECT PLACES AND ALLOW FOR THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE, GOODS OR WILDLIFE.
THEY OFTEN CENTER AROUND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS STREETS, HIGHWAYS, AND PUBLIC TRANSIT, BUT CAN ALSO CENTER AROUND HISTORIC SITES, HABITATS, RIVERS, OR OTHER NATURAL FEATURES.
THEY MAY BE REGIONAL IN SCALE AS IN A HEAVY RAIL CORRIDOR, EXTREMELY LOCAL AS IN A RETAIL CORRIDOR ALONG CITY THOROUGHFARE.
THAT'S ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH ONLY THE THREE GETTING PULLED AT THE, AT THIS MOMENT.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND TO ACCEPT, UH, THE ADJUSTMENTS AS RECOMMENDED BY THESE ARE ALL WELL, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON ON ITEMS 1, 2, 4, AND FIVE.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I GUESS JUST CLARIFYING OR CONFIRMING IF WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION ON THE DEFINITION FOR COMMERCIAL, NOT FROM THE I'M PREPARED TO ACCEPT.
THE TEXT AS OCCURS IN THE DOCUMENT.
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YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS ITEMS FROM ITEM OR SIX THROUGH 10.
UH, SO THIS IS TO THE DEFINITION OF EN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.
THIS IS A RECOMMENDED TO POLL.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS NO CHANGE TO THE CURRENT TEXT DEFINITION, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS RE REFINEMENTS BASED OFF OF CONVERSATIONS AT THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE NCPC, UM, AND ALSO WORKED THROUGH WITH OEQS.
SO ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE REFERS TO THE FAIR TREATMENT AND MEANINGFUL INVOLVEMENT OF ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF RACE, COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN OR INCOME CONCERNING THE DEVELOPMENT, IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS, REGULATIONS, AND POLICIES.
ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ENSURES EQUITABLE ACCESS TO HEALTHY COMMUNITIES.
IT PREVENTS DISPROPORTIONATE BURDENS FROM ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS AND PROVIDES EQUITABLE INVOLVEMENT IN DECISION MAKING PROCESSES FOR ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF RACE, ETHNICITY, INCOME, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN.
NUMBER SEVEN IS AREAS OF FOCUS.
UM, WE RECOMMEND INTEGRATING THE, UM, PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
SO THE PROPOSED TEXT READS FOR AREAS OF FOCUS.
THE ADDED LANGUAGE IS AREAS IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE USE OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, MEASURES AS NEEDED, LAND USE INTERVENTIONS SUCH AS ZONING CHANGES OR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.
AND THEN IT GOES ON WITH THE CURRENT EXISTING LANGUAGE.
THESE ARE, THESE AREAS ARE SPECIFIC TO FOUR OF THE FIVE LAND USE THEMES INCLUDING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, TRANSORAL DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING, AND ENVIRONMENTAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND UTILIZATION OF THESE AREAS WILL OCCUR, WILL OCCUR POST PLAN ADOPTION.
NUMBER EIGHT IS WE RECOMMEND TO POLL.
UM, THIS WAS TO ADJUST THE DEFINITION OF FUTURE LAND USE MAP SOME OF THE WORDING.
UM, AND THEN NUMBER NINE IS THE PROPOSED TEXT.
THIS IS FOR HIGH-RISE BUILDING, THE PROPOSED TEXT ISRU.
THE CURRENTLY IT IS STRUCTURES THAT ARE GENERALLY EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN 10 STORIES IN HEIGHT.
AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO STRIKE THE END OF THE SENTENCE DEPENDING ON CONTEXT.
AND ITEM NUMBER 10, UM, I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT JUST THIS ISSUE.
UM, THE, CURRENTLY, THE DEFINITION, THE PROPOSED TEXT IS INFILL HOUSING REFERS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON VACANT OR UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS OF LAND.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT COULD BE IS JUST TO CHANGE OR REMOVE THE WORD UNDERUTILIZED IN THE DEFINITION.
COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10.
WITH EIGHT BEING PULLED, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO PULL SIX ALSO.
AND IF I COULD, I COULD, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, STRIKE, UH, ITEM 10 FOR CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THE, WELL THAT'S MY MOTION.
MY RATIONALE FOR THE MOTION IS THE, UM, DEF THE REDEFINITION OF UNDERUTILIZED LATER IN THIS DOCUMENT, UH, ADDRESSES MY CONCERN HERE.
SO WOULD, COULD YOUR MOTION BE TO ACCEPT SEVEN, NINE AND STRIKE 10? YES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON ACCEPTING SEVEN AND NINE AND STRIKING NUMBER 10? SEE NONE.
MAY I PLEASE? COMMISSIONER? GOVERNOR? YES.
I I DON'T HAVE OBJECTION TO THE CURRENT TEXT.
UM, MY PROPOSED EDITS WERE A LITTLE GARBLED.
WHAT I, UM, I ADDED OR THOUGHT WERE, WAS WORTHY OF, OF ADDITION IS SOMETHING, UH, 'CAUSE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UM, I THINK SHOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT SAYS ADDRESSING AND RECTIFYING PATTERNS OF INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL ZONING CO-LOCATED WITH POOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
'CAUSE WHILE THESE, THE CURRENT TEXT IS SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, A DICTIONARY HIGH, HIGH LEVEL OPTIMISTIC, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY PICTURE ON ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.
THE, THE FACT IS FROM LAND USE, I, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, WELL, AS I JUST SAID, ADDRESSING AND RECTIFYING PATTERNS OF INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION.
YEAH, I'M, I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE.
NOT THAT ISN'T AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT GOAL, BUT JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A DEFINITIONAL ITEM AS MUCH AS IT IS AS A POLICY GOAL THAT'S ARTICULATED ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT.
I'LL JUST ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT SAYS IN THE CURRENT TEXT, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ENSURES EQUITABLE ACCESS TO HEALTHY COMMUNITIES
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ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS AND PREVENTS DISPROPORTIONATE BURDENS FROM ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS.BUT YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT HAS NOT, THAT HAS HAD ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE AND, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, I MADE MY MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, COULD YOU, UH, TELL ME, UH, WHERE YOU WANT TO INSERT THIS INTO THIS DEFINITION? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT FITS.
WHERE IN THE DOCUMENT OR WHERE ON THE SPREADSHEET IN OTHER WORDS LIKE THIS.
IS THIS, UH, IN ADDRESSING AND RECTIFYING TO PATTERNS OF INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL ZONING CONCENTRATED IN POOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR? I, I, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IN THIS SENTENCE THIS IS TO BE FIT FITTED.
YOU KNOW, A SENTENCE COULD BE ADDED SAYING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE INCLUDES ADDRESSING AND RECTIFYING PATTERNS OF INCOMPATIBLE INDUSTRIAL ZONING CO-LOCATED WITH POOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THE LAST SENTENCE OF, OF THAT, DOES THAT CLARIFY COMMISSIONER? YEP.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER C AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
COMMISSIONER, UH, TON IN THE GLOSSARY IT SAYS FUTURE LAND USE MAP, A PLANNING TOOL AND ASPIRATIONAL POLICY.
I IS THE MAP A POLICY OR IS IT A VISUAL? I WAS SUGGESTING A PLANNING TOOL, AN ASPIRATIONAL VISUAL REPRESENTATION THAT REPRESENTS WHATEVER THE COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR DALLAS'S VISION.
BUT I GUESS THE BASIC QUESTION IS, IS THE MAP A POLICY OR IS IT A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF A, OF A VISION? I USE IT MORE WAY.
I THINK STAFF IS CHECKING RIGHT NOW.
IF WE, 'CAUSE I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE GLOSSARY WITH ME.
IT MIGHT BE, IT'S, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE UPDATED TEXT EVEN BEYOND THAT.
DO WE HAVE AN UPDATED DEFINITION BEYOND WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER JUST READ IN? WE'RE CHECKING NOW.
THAT, I MEAN IN THE UH, SPREADSHEET WE HAVE, IT SAYS SUGGESTS STAFF SUGGESTS LEAVING AS IS.
ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S SOME FURTHER STAFF? THERE? MIGHT BE FURTHER AS IS.
IF NOT, SO WE JUST TABLE IT FOR NOW? YEAH, IF WE COULD TABLE IT AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT THREE ITEMS OR FIX ITEMS OR NEXT PAGE.
SO THE NEXT PAGE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RECOMMENDED TO, TO PULL.
SO ITEM NUMBER 11, THE PROPOSED TEXT FOR INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES.
UM, THE TEXT WOULD READ, REFERS TO ADJACENT OR NEARBY LAND USES THAT STRIKE THE NEXT PART WHEN SITUATED TOO CLOSELY.
SO STRIKE WHEN SITUATED TOO CLOSELY.
SO IT RE REFERS TO ADJACENT OR NEARBY LAND USES THAT CAN RESULT IN CONFLICTS, DISTURBANCES, OR NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON ONE OR BOTH USES DUE TO DIFFERENCES IN ACTIVITIES, OPERATIONS OR SCALE.
NECESSITATING CAREFUL PLANNING AND ZONING MEASURES TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL ISSUES.
AND THEN ALSO THE REST OF THE, THE DEFINITION.
UM, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 12, UM, PROPOSED TEXT IS A LAND USE CATEGORY REFERRING TO INSIDE SMALL NOT NOXIOUS LAND USES ADDING THAT CAN COEXIST IN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
AND ON THIS PAGE, I MISSED THE WORD THE C IN, BUT IT IS THAT CAN COEXIST IN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
AND NUMBER 13, UM, IS PROPOSED TEXT IS, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW IN HERE TO HELP WITH CLARITY.
UM, THIS IS FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.
THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF MIDDLE DENSITY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO STRIKE THAT FIRST PART AND START WITH MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING INCLUDES A RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE MISSING IN MOST NEIGHBORHOODS CONSTRUCTED IN THE LAST 70 YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE PROHIBITED BY MANY ZONING ORDINANCES AND DISFAVORED BY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCING MARKET TYPES OF HOUSING.
THAT AD MAY BE DESCRIBED STRIKE QUALIFY AS MISSING.
MIDDLE INCLUDE TWO FAMILY HOUSES, DUPLEXES, THREE FAMILY HOUSES, TRIPLEX FOUR FAMILY HOUSES, FOUR PLEXES TOWN HOMES, COTTAGE HOMES, SMALLER TWO AND THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND LIVEWORK BUILDINGS.
THIS TYPE OF HOUSING OFTEN SUPPORTS VARIOUS SIZE, SIZES AND PRICE POINTS.
INDIVIDUAL MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING PROJECTS CAN BE APPROPRIATE IN FIELD DEVELOPMENT IN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION?
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UH, I'M SORRY, I LOST TRACK OF THE NUMBERS.OKAY, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UM, 11 THROUGH 13 AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UM, PROPOSED TEXTS FOR OPEN SPACE AND I BELIEVE THIS IS MOSTLY NEW DEFINITION AREAS WITHIN DEVELOPED ENVIRONMENTS SUCH AS PARKS, CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, ESCARPMENTS, FLOODPLAINS CREEK AND WILDLIFE CORRIDORS, WOODED AREAS, AND OTHER NATURAL HABITATS.
THESE SPACES ARE PRESERVED OR CREATED TO PROVIDE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND SERVE AS VITAL NATURAL ASSETS THAT ENHANCE QUALITY OF LIFE AND PUBLIC HEALTH THROUGH THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.
OPEN SPACES ARE ENCOURAGED IN BOTH DEVELOPED AND UNDEVELOPED AREAS TO PROMOTE OVERALL COMMUNITY WELLBEING.
IT ALSO SAYS SEE GREEN SPACE DEFINITION.
ITEM NUMBER 15, PROPOSED TEXTS.
PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, A LAND USE CATEGORY REFERRING TO AREAS RESERVED FOR PRIVATE, RECREATIONAL OR LEISURE ACTIVITIES, WHICH MAY INCLUDE PRIVATE PARKS, GARDENS, COURTYARDS, AND OTHER LANDSCAPE AREAS REFERS TO SEA OPEN SPACE.
DEFINITION NUMBER 16, PROPOSED TEXTS FOR PUBLIC REALM.
THE SYSTEM OF PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SPACES THAT IS MADE UP OF PARKS AND OTHER OPEN SPACES, STREETS, SIDEWALKS, TRAILS, PUBLIC OR CIVIC BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SPACES IN PRIVATE BUILDINGS SUCH AS LOBBIES OR COURTYARDS.
STRIKE THE END OF THE THE LANGUAGE THIS SYSTEM WORKS WITH AND IS FRAMED BY ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING EDGES THAT HELP ENERGIZE AND DEFINE THE PUBLIC SPACES, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND PARKS.
UM, PROPOSED TEXT SETBACK ADD CAN REFER TO EITHER ONE.
THE MINIMUM DISTANCE A BUILDING MAY BE BUILT FROM A STREET ALLEY OR LOT LINE AND OR TWO WHEN THE UPPER FLOORS OF A BUILDING ARE SETBACK FURTHER FROM THE STREET THAN THE LOWER FLOORS.
OFTEN TO RE REDUCE THE PERCEIVED MASS OF THE BUILDING.
ALLOW FOR MORE LIGHT AT THE STREET LEVEL OR TO CONFIRM CONFORM TO ZONING REGULATIONS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST.
UH, ON NUMBER 17, UH, THE, THE REASON FOR MY, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING DOWN, PUTTING SOMETHING DOWN FOR THIS ITEM IS THAT THE, UM, DEFINITION OF SETBACK IN THE DOCUMENT IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT URBAN FORM SETBACK.
IT DOESN'T SAY URBAN FORM SETBACK, BUT IT SAYS REFERS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE WHERE THE UPPER FLOORS OF A BUILDING ARE SETBACK FURTHER FROM THE STREET THAN THE LOWER FLOORS.
OFTEN TO REDUCE THE PERCEIVED MASS OF THE BUILDING, ALLOW FOR MORE LIGHT AT THE STREET LEVEL OR TO CONFORM TO ZONING REGULATIONS.
SO I WAS TRYING TO, UH, POINT OUT THAT THE SETBACK, UH, NEEDED TO BE WRITTEN REWRITTEN BECAUSE SETBACK AS IT'S MOSTLY USED IN THIS DOCUMENT, IS NOT TALKING ABOUT URBAN FORM SETBACK AND THE PROPOSED TEXT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE STILL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF SETBACK.
THE FIRST ONE IS JUST GENERAL SETBACK, BUT THE SECOND ONE IS DEFINITELY URBAN FORM SETBACKS.
SO, UM, DOES THE DOCUMENT ACTUALLY REFER TO URBAN FORM SETBACK ANYWHERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THEN WE JUST STRIKE THAT AND GO WITH THE FIRST ONE.
THEN I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT 14 THROUGH 17 STRIKING THE, UM, ALL THE TEXT, UH, AFTER THE FIRST, UM, ITEM IN NUMBER 17.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COOPER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE FOR YOUR SECOND.
OKAY, THE NEXT ONE'S WE JUST HAVE 18 THROUGH 21 ON PAGE FIVE THROUGH SEVEN.
UM, TREE CANOPY, UH, PROPOSED TEXT REFERS TO THE LAYER OF VEGETATIVE MA VEGETATIVE MASSING COMPRISING OF TREE CANOPY.
OKAY, IF I MAY, UM, TREE CANOPY REFERS TO THE LAYER OF VEGETATIVE MASSING COMPRISING TREES PROVIDING VARIOUS BENEFITS INCLUDING SHADE, TRANSPIRATION, CARBON SEQUESTRATION CAPABILITIES, IMPROVING AIR QUALITY, REDUCING HEAT EYELET EFFECTS, AND ADDING AESTHETIC VALUE WITH STRIKING THE LAST SENTENCE.
ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS TREE FOUNDATION, THERE IS AN ESTIMATED 14.7 MILLION TREES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS REQUIRING DELIBERATE MANAGEMENT AND INTERVENTION STRATEGIES TO PRESERVE AND GROW THIS NATURAL ASSET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
VICE CHAIR ROOM FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? FOR ANYONE TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG, IT APPEARS THAT WE STRUCK THE WORD CANOPY AND OF WITHIN THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE DEFINITION.
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OF VEGETATIVE MASSING IS SORT OF WEIRD.IS THAT A TECHNICAL THAT'S WHAT I FOUND WHEN I WAS SEARCHING THE HORTICULTURAL SITES.
THAT THAT'S, THAT SEEMS THE WAY BE THE WAY THEY, THEY DISCUSS IT.
IT, IT DOESN'T, IT, UH, TREE CANOPY REFERS TO TREES, BUT VEGETATIVE, MASSING COULD BE VINES AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, VEGETATIVE, MASSING COMPRISING TREES.
YEAH, I, I I PROBABLY WOULD SAY COM YEAH.
I I THINK IT, I'M NOT GONNA DIE ON THAT HILL EITHER, BUT IT JUST SEEMS, IT SEEMS OVERKILL TO OVERKILL TO ME.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH JUST THE LAYER OF TREES PROVIDING I, I WOULD LEAVE IT LAYER OF TREES.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND, OKAY.
WE HAVE, UH, AN ADJUSTMENT MADE AND IT'S OKAY WITH COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
IT IS, UH, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS SECONDED BY LAST RUBIN AND HE'S OKAY WITH THAT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? C ALL IN FAVOR? COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, PLEASE.
CAN I ASK WHY, UH, YOU, YOU FELT THE NEED TO REMOVE THIS? UH, THE SECOND SENTENCE SEEMED TO BE PART OF THE DEFINITION.
IT JUST SEEMED TO BE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, SOME INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE BETTER OFF IN THE DOCUMENT SOMEWHERE AND NOT IN THE DEFINITION.
'CAUSE IF WE'RE STRICTLY DEFINING TREE CANOPY, THE REST OF IT IS, IS SORT OF AN EDITORIAL COMMENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER CENA? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE'LL GO TO, UH, YOU HAVEN'T READ THE OTHERS IN, HAVE YOU? ALL OF THEM.
JUMPED IN TO CLARIFY ON 18 BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT NORMAL.
19 UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES PROPOSED TEXT REFERS TO AN ENTIRE PROPERTY OR PORTION WITH OR WITHOUT IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS USED ONLY, OH, SORRY, THIS IS ADDED LANGUAGE REFERS TO AN ENTIRE PROPERTY OR PORTION WITH OR WITHOUT IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS USED ONLY AT A REG, USED ONLY AT A REGULAR PERIODS OR INTERMITTENTLY BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
STRIKE SITES USES AND BUILDINGS THAT DO NOT MEET CURRENT MARKET DEMAND IN DALLAS CAN REFER TO VACANT LOTS.
COMMERCIAL SHOPPING STRIPS WITH ONLY PARTIAL OCCUPANCY AND OCC ACTIVATION.
UNDERUTILIZED CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND VACANT BROWNFIELD SITES.
GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THAT ONE.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND SINCE THAT ONE WAS PULLED, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THAT ONE.
I, I PULLED IT AND I WOULD PROPOSE ADOPTION WITH A VERY SMALL TWEAK INSTEAD OF THE PHRASE SHOPPING STRIPS.
UM, I WOULD REPLACE THAT WITH, WITH PROPERTIES JUST RECOGNIZING THAT THERE PROPERTIES, OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES BESIDES STRIP CENTERS, THAT, THAT MAY BE UNDERUTILIZED AND GOOD FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
WERE YOU SECONDED THAT COMMERCIAL CARPENTER? PERFECT.
FOR 20 PROPOSED TEXT FOR THE DEFINITION OF UTILITY, A LAND USE CATEGORY REFERRING TO PROPERTIES DESIGNATED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITIES THAT PROVIDE ESSENTIAL PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SERVICES SUCH AS WATER, ELECTRICITY, GAS, TELECOMMUNICATIONS, AND SEWAGE SYSTEMS. THAT'S NEW TEXT AND THEN 21 VACANT LAND.
IT IS THE PROPOSED TEXT FOR VACANT LAND REFERS TO PARCELS OF PROPERTY THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED, LACKING STRUCTURES, OR ANY ACTIVE USE PERIOD.
STRIKE THE LAST PART OF THAT, WHICH WOULD BE EITHER FROM ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS, PREVIOUS BUILDING, DEMOLITIONS, OR AWAITING NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT VACANT LAND CAN BE A USEFUL ASSET FOR RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL REVITALIZATION AS GREEN SLASH OPEN SPACE DEVELOPMENT.
MR. CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I WANT? OKAY.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TEXT ON, ON 20 AND 21.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, THE MAPS AND, AND YOU JUST CLARIFY THE REST OF THE GREEN ITEMS. YEAH.
THE REST OF THEM, EITHER STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ISSUES WITH, THEY WERE ALREADY ADDRESSED, THEY'RE GRAMMATICAL AREAS.
UM, A LOT OF THEM HAD ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
MR. CHAIR, I WILL APOLOGIZE, COMMISSIONER IN ADVANCE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT WE HAVE AN ITEM MARKED IN OUR PRIOR NUMBER 1 27 THAT WAS SHOWN AS ACTED ON BY THIS COM COMMISSION.
IT WAS WITHDRAWN AT THE END OF OUR LAST MEETING.
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OKAY.WHICH ONE WAS THAT? REMOVING THE ANTI DISPLACEMENT MEASURE FROM COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL NUMBER 20.
WHAT DID YOU CALL 1 27? ONE ITEM 1 27.
THE OTHER SPREADSHEET, THIS IS MAKE A MOTION, RIGHT? I'M SORRY.
THE, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS APOLOGIZING FOR GOING A STEP BACK.
IT'S CRA THREE AND I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ONCE EVERYONE HAS IT IN FRONT OF HIM.
SO THIS IS PAGE 31 OF 37, CORRECT? YES.
AND IT'S, UM, THREE 17 IN OUR, UM, DRAFT.
WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? SO THIS IS THE, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE CRA THREE FROM THE DOCUMENT, WHICH LET ME GET THAT.
AND CAI AM HAPPY TO READ IT IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
AND I HAVE AN ALTER WHAT NUMBER? 1 27.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT AS WE MOVED ON, SO MY APOLOGIES.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT HAD BEEN WITHDRAWN.
SO CA THREE, WHICH IS ON P THREE 17 OF THE DOCUMENT, THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO REMOVE CRA THREE, WHICH READS ANY DEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING MULTI-UNIT BUILDING SHOULD ESTABLISH A PLAN TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING ALLOWING MORE UNITS IN RETURN FOR GREATER AFFORDABILITY.
AND I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER CAN IN LIE STRIKING THAT I WOULD, UM, SUGGEST THAT WE STRIKE ANY REPLACE WITH INCONSIDERATION OF AND REPLACE, UH, I CAN'T EVEN READ.
I WROTE OVER, I THINK SHOULD, BUT IT, THE, THE REVISED PROVISION WOULD READ IN CONSIDERATION OF REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS SHOULD ESTABLISH A PLAN TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT, PERIOD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND SECOND TO ADVISE CHAIR RUBIN.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
YEAH, I, I INITIALLY SAID TO REMOVE THIS BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A POLICY THAT IF YOU REDEVELOP A SITE THAT YOU HAVE TO CREATE SUBSTITUTE HOUSING THERE.
I MEAN, I, THE, THE SENATE SAYS ANY REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS SHOULD ESTABLISH A PLAN TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING ALLOWING MORE UNITS IN RETURN FOR GREATER AFFORDABILITY.
WHAT IF YOU REDEVELOPMENT REDEVELOP THAT SITE FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN HOUSING? I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM ALREADY ADDRESSES THIS.
AND GOING BEYOND THAT, I MEAN, ARE WE, ARE WE SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA BE THE POLICY THAT IF YOU TEAR DOWN AN AGED APARTMENT BUILDING, THAT YOU HAVE TO FIND A HOME FOR THOSE PEOPLE? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY PROBLEMATIC FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT AND FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT IN THE CITY.
I THINK THAT SENTENCE NEEDS TO COME OUT OF THIS PLAN.
AS THE DEVELOPER AROUND THIS TABLE? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
UM, I THINK, UM, YOU HAVE A POINT.
I, I'VE, I'VE HAD SOME FRIENDS RECENTLY DISPLACED AND BECAUSE THEIR LEASE WASN'T UP THE APARTMENT COMPLEX INCENTIVIZED THEM, BUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO LEASES WERE UP, WHICH NORMALLY THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, RIGHT? THEY'LL WAIT TILL LEASES RUN OUT, START BUILD.
UM, BUT WE GET INTO BUSINESS PRACTICE AND BUSINESS OPERATIONS, WHICH AGAIN, I KIND OF AGREE IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE IN THE POLICY.
UM, IT COULD BE HINTED AT, RIGHT? THAT YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE DISPLACEMENT OF YOUR PEOPLE IF THEIR LEASES ARE UP VERSUS, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW WE WOULD EVEN WORD THAT.
PEOPLE ARE BEING INCENTIVIZED TO MOVE.
UM, IF THEY, THEY RECENTLY SIGNED A LEASE, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOLLOWED COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND VICE RUBIN.
UM, FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD SAY THAT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
UM, AND, AND I SHOULDN'T SAY IT THAT STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT I, I THINK FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE,
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THAT'S A, THAT'S A DISCUSSION AND THAT'S AN ITEM THAT, UM, EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD HAVE WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL, UM, RESIDENT THAT'S BEING DISPLACED.I AGREE THAT THIS SHOULD NOT BE IN THE DOCUMENT AS SOMETHING THAT DE INCENTIVIZES DEVELOPMENT OF ANY KIND WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS FROM.
SO I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE REMOVED.
COMMISSIONER WETHER, YOU KNOW, I'M 1000% AGAINST THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS WHO WOULD INCENTIVIZE, WHO HAVE COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION BUILDING 650 UNITS AND WILL NOT EVEN GIVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR IT.
UM, THEY WOULD PAY THE IN LIE FEE, BUT GOD KNOWS WHENEVER THE IN LIE FEE IS GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE ARE, UM, UH, GOING TWO YEARS, A YEAR AND A HALF IN ON THE, FOR, ON THAT IN LIE FEE.
AND WE HAVE DEVELOPERS TWO YEARS FROM NOW, AND THE PRICE IS GONNA BE HIGHER, BUT WE HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT COULD GIVE US 5%, 10%, SOME PERCENT, AND THEY'RE SAYING, NOPE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DISPLACEMENT.
WE HAVE OUR NURSES, OUR TEACHERS, OUR FIREMEN, OUR POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE BEING CURRENTLY DISPLACED RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND SO I, IF IT'S IN THE AREA, MAYBE IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING IN THERE.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO REDEVELOP THIS, THEN THIS HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GET DISPLACEMENT, UM, OF, AS, AS OTHER PARTS OF THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE THRIVING THAT HAVE ALREADY THEIR LANDLOCK IN THERE AT THE END OF THEIR LAND.
AS PE AS THEY START MOVING INTO OTHER AREAS, DISPLACEMENT IS GOING TO COME.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A RESOURCE IN THIS PLAN FOR PREVIOUS USED PROPERTIES.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE PRACTICE, REGARDLESS IF THIS WAS IN THE PLAN OR NOT, THAT IF YOUR LEASE IS UP, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE, WE NEED TO BUY YOU OUT YOUR LEASE SO THAT YOU CAN MOVE.
BUT WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT COMPARISON TO SOUTH DALLAS AND WEST DALLAS, SOMEBODY IN WEST DALLAS, WHICH THIS WAS IN PLACE OR WAS SUGGESTED, WHEREAS RIGHT NOW WE CAN GET SOME OF THAT IN OTHER AREAS BECAUSE YEAH, WE DO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ALL THAT, BUT, UM, TWO YEARS IN THAT PROJECT, WHEN IS THE FIRST PROJECT GONNA BE BUILT OFF OF? WE'VE HAD LINCOLN PROPERTIES BEFORE US THREE TIMES, AND THEY'VE PAID FIVE TO $7 MILLION IN DO IN LOU FEE THREE TIMES.
AND WE DON'T HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT GOING UP YET.
IT'S COMING, BUT TWO YEARS, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.
THEY PAID THE FIRST ONE IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, OR MARCH OF LAST YEAR.
THEY'VE COME BACK TWO OR THREE MORE TIMES.
SO, AND WE STILL GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS AND YEAH, WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT IN THERE.
YEAH, I AM HAPPY TOOR SUPPORT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S MOTION.
THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP SOMETHING TO THIS EFFECT IN THE DOCUMENT.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT ACHIEVING THIS AS A POLICY MATTER MAY NOT BE EASY.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE KNOCK DOWN EXISTING MULTI, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS, MANY OF WHICH ARE, WOULD BE CONSIDERED NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH THAT, I CAN THINK OF ONE ZONING CASE THAT I, I WORKED IN A DISTRICT IN NORTH DALLAS THAT CONSIDERED REZONING SOME EXISTING GARDEN STYLE DEPARTMENTS.
AND WE HAD VARIOUS SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT LEVEL OF AND HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, THE MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT BONUS SHOULD BE IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T SIMPLY REDEVELOPING A GREENFIELD SITE OR AN AGING COMMERCIAL CENTER, BUT WOULD BE REDEVELOPING GARDEN STYLE DEPARTMENTS.
AND I CAN ALSO THINK OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS CITY THAT ARE HEAVILY MULTIFAMILY AND SOME OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE THAT ARE UNDER TREMENDOUS DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE.
I CAN THINK OF SOME THINGS THAT WENT ON WITH MAYBE SOME AUTHORIZED, PROPOSED AUTHORIZED HEARINGS IN THOSE AREAS WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT AUTHORIZED HEARING WOULDN'T BE SIMPLY ALLOW THAT NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE RAISED FOR THE NEXT UPTOWN.
AND, AND SEEING SOME MEMBERS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE
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SHOULD ABANDON THIS AUTHORIZED HEARING IF IT'S NOT JUST GONNA, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY TURN THINGS OVER FOR A DRASTIC REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD DISPLACE A LOT OF PEOPLE.SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR BALANCE IN PURSUING THIS POLICY.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE A ONE FOR ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THIS DISPLACEMENT ON A ONE FOR ONE BASIS.
I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE TOO DIFFICULT.
BUT WHEN WE CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, ZONING CHANGES THAT COME IN THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD RESULT IN NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING KNOCKED DOWN, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IN THE MULTIFAMILY SECTOR, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT THIS POLICY GOAL BE IN THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND JUST TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE, WE'RE USING THE WORD POLICY AND THIS, THIS DOESN'T SAY POLICY, SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE USE OF THAT WORD.
DOES NOT CREATE THAT POLICY, INCLUDING THAT LANGUAGE HERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA YES, SIR.
I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN IS SUGGESTING THAT WE DO, WHEN THAT OCCURS, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN? I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS.
WE'VE GOT THE EXISTING MIXED INCOME HOUSING, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT BONUS TODAY, UM, AND THE FEE AND LIE.
AND WE HAVE VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, DEBATES ABOUT HOW WELL THOSE WORK.
OR THERE MAY BE OTHER POLICY SOLUTIONS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE AT SO OAC AND, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T PRESCRIBE THE ULTIMATE POLICY SOLUTION, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION WHEN, YOU KNOW, EXISTING, NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING WOULD BE KNOCKED DOWN FOR, FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS HERE TODAY, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT GOAL TO INCLUDE IN THE DOCUMENT.
COMMISSIONER, DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WANT IT TO BE CONSIDERED, YOU'RE NOT COMING UP WITH A, UH, RECIPE OR A FORMULA FOR HERE'S WHAT HAS TO BE HAPPENING.
YOU JUST WANT IT TO BE CONSIDERED.
IS THAT CORRECT? I WOULD REFER BACK TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S LANGUAGE, WHICH I THINK STARTS WITH IN CONSIDERATION OF YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
YOU'RE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE PEOPLE THAT GET DISPLACED.
YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY SUGGESTING THAT'S THE, WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.
WHOEVER'S BUILDING THE NEW PROJECT HAS TO TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IS IS MY INTENT AND I BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THIS PROVISION.
AND, AND WE DO HAVE A SUGGESTED LANGUAGE, BUT I'LL TAKE UH, COMMISSIONER CHER'S FIRST ROUND IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE, SIR.
I, I'D JUST LIKE MORE CLARITY.
THE MOTION IS TO REMOVE IT ALL TO ALL TOGETHER.
I MEAN THE, THE, THE COMMENT IN 1 27 IS TO REMOVE CA THREE.
NO, UH, THE MOTION IS, THE MOTION IS, IS NOT TO REMOVE IT, IS TO, TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO THE LANGUAGE THAT COMES.
CAN I HAVE JUST A REREADING OF THE LANGUAGE? PLEASE, PLEASE, OF COURSE.
AS I SAID, I, I KNEW WE WERE GOING BACK, SO I WAS TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO GET IT IN FRONT OF HIM.
SO WITHIN THAT SENTENCE, CRA THREE THAT IT WOULD READ IF EVERYBODY HAS IT.
PAGE COMMISSIONER BLAIR NEEDS TO GET BACK TO IT.
IN CONSIDERATION OF REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS SHOULD ESTABLISH A PLAN TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT DUE.
AND I DO THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME BAD GRAMMAR IN THAT, BUT I'LL TRUST STAFF TO CLEAR MY GRAMMAR.
COMMISSIONER CHERLOCK, PLEASE.
THAT DOESN'T READ AS A, WE WANNA OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION THAT READS AS A PRIME DIRECTIVE AND I'M, I'M, UH, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION.
I THINK WE ARE, THIS IS LIKE A POSTER CHILD TOPIC FOR JUST THE LAW OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
I MEAN THIS, WHEN IT COMES TO DISPLACEMENT AND AFFORDABILITY THERE, NOBODY'S EVEN CITED ANY DATA IN THIS, IN THIS DISCUSSION TODAY AROUND THIS MOTION.
AND THIS IS A AREA OF LAND USE AND PLANNING THAT IS VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY RICH FOR DISCUSSION.
THERE ARE LOTS, THERE'S LOTS OF DATA.
I'VE READ IT AND THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ON THIS, BUT TO SAY THAT THIS SHOULD BECOME A PRIME DIRECTIVE OF THE FORD DALLAS PLAN, I'M JUST VERY UNEASY WITH THAT.
I'M HAPPY TO OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION AT A LATER POINT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION IS.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, I THINK, UH, STAFF HAS SOME, UH,
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POTENTIAL LANGUAGE.'CAUSE I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
AND DO YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA HEAR FIRST HER FIRST? YES, PLEASE.
SO THIS ISN'T PERFECT, BUT THIS IS HOPEFULLY FLIPPING THE SCRIPT AND GETTING US BACK TO WHAT I'M HEARING SOME OF B OR TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT BOTH, I DON'T WANNA SAY SIDES, WHATEVER ARE SAYING.
SO WHEN AGING MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES, FOR EXAMPLE, GARDEN APARTMENTS ARE PROPOSED FOR REDEVELOPMENT, FOR NEW, MORE DENSE RESIDENTIAL, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, POTENTIAL DISPLACEMENT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND DISCUSSED.
MAY I MAYBE SIMPLIFY THAT A BIT? YES, PLEASE.
AND SO, UM, IF EVERYONE STILL HAS IT IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO STRIKE ANY AND START REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS SHOULD CONSIDER A PLAN TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT.
SO KEEP SHOULD STRIKE ESTABLISH, REPLACE, ESTABLISH WITH CONSIDER, WHICH I THINK GETS CLOSER TO WHAT WE WERE SPEAKING OF.
SO, REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS SHOULD CONSIDER A PLAN TO AVOID DISPLACEMENT DUE TO REDEVELOPMENT.
AND THE RATIONALE FOR THAT IS THAT WE IN NUMEROUS PLACES SPEAK ABOUT ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLKITS OR IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY.
I THINK THIS SIMPLY SUPPORTS A LOT OF THE OTHER IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES THAT WE HAVE IN THE PLAN CURRENTLY.
WOULD COMMISSIONER HAMDEN CONSIDER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MOVE THIS TO THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION INSTEAD OF HAVING IT BE IN THE POLICY SECTION? I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE VETTED A LOT MORE THAN WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO HERE TODAY.
WAS THAT A MOTION? IT'S A, IT'S, WELL IT WAS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
IF IT'S NOT ACCEPTED, IT COULD BECOME A MOTION THOUGH NOT ACCEPTED.
IS THAT A SEPARATE MOTION THEN? YES.
SO WE HAVE A NEW MOTION TO MOVE THE LANGUAGE, THE, THE HER NEW LANGUAGE TO THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED HERE IS A, UM, AN ITEM TO DEVELOP A DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT.
UM, IF IT'S ALREADY IN THERE, THEN WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR? WELL, THE, THE ANTI DISPLACEMENT TOOLKIT COULD BE FOR MORE THAN, THAN, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THE, THAT LANGUAGE, BUT IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO TO THIS, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT MULTIFAMILY.
THIS WOULD, SO THIS THIS COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE BACK THERE.
THEN WE COULD HAVE ONE THAT'S SPECIFIC TO MULTIFAMILY.
WHICH IS, IF IT'S NOT SPECIFIC, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SPECIFIC ENOUGH.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DISCUSSION.
SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON IS, AND BASED OFF OF WHAT ANDREA, UM, UH, MS. JOHNSON HAS SAID WAS WHEN WE'RE TAKING A GARDEN APARTMENT, WHICH IS A SMALLER UNIT, SMALLER, AND THEN WE ARE INCREASING DENSITY, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ASKING WHAT WE ASK EVERY DEVELOPER WHO COMES BEFORE, HOW MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE YOU OFFERING FOR THAT PRO IN, IN A SENSE.
AND THEN KIND OF PUTTING IN SAYING THAT, THAT'S A SUGGESTION THAT THAT GOES IN BECAUSE OFTENTIMES, AGAIN, 605 UNITS CAME BEFORE US AND THEY, THEY DID LOSE, BUT THEY NECESSARILY COULD HAVE DISPLACED PEOPLE.
THAT WAS A BIGGER UNIT THAT WAS HUGE COMPARED TO WHAT PROBABLY WOULD'VE JUST BEEN THERE.
A SMALLER UNIT KIND WAS ON GASTON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU HAD THAT, SAY YOU HAD ONE OF THOSE APARTMENTS ON GASTON, RIGHT? AND IT WAS TORE DOWN, GASTON LIVE OAK WAS TORE DOWN AND THEY WERE GONNA INCREASE IT TREMENDOUSLY, YOU WOULD WANT THAT IN PLACE.
DOES THAT COUNT? YOU WOULD WANT THAT DISPLACEMENT IN PLACE BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND AND I THINK THERE ARE MULTIPLE AREAS OF THE CITY.
I THINK WE CAN ALL SPEAK OF AREAS IN OUR DISTRICT, UM, WHERE WE'RE SEEING THIS HAPPEN AND IT'S SIMPLY TRYING TO HAVE LANGUAGE ON AND, AND I HEAR EVERYONE'S CONSIDERATION.
I I FEEL LIKE IT IS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE IT THAT WE AS A CITY ARE, ARE CLEAR ON HOW WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT THIS.
'CAUSE WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FUNDAMENTALLY INTEGRATING ADDITIONAL HOUSING TYPES AND WE'RE DOING THAT.
I THINK MANY OF US HAVE A CONCERN THAT IT WILL LEAD TO DISPLACEMENT IN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITIES AND THAT THAT SHOULD SIMPLY BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING THOSE THAT ARE, THAT, THAT IF THE REBUILD IS CLOSELY TO THE SAME AMOUNT THAT WAS ALREADY THERE, WHAT WHEN IT, OR IT COULD EVEN GO THE OTHER WAY.
AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.
I I'M, I CAN SECOND YOUR MINUTE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION OF THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER
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KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.DID YOU ALREADY DISCUSS COMMISSIONER, DID YOU MAKE COMMENTS? PLEASE? OKAY.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DON'T THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.
I DO AND WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN DISTRICT 14 BECAUSE PEOPLE WANNA TEAR DOWN STUFF IN 14 AND, AND BUILD NEW FANCY BUILDINGS THERE ALL THE TIME.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT SAYING WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT REALLY MEANS ANYTHING.
I THINK WE'RE SERIOUS THEN WE SHOULD HAVE IT BE AN IMPLEMENTATION ITEM AND HAVE IT BE ON OUR TO-DO LIST TO ACTUALLY CREATE TOOLS AND CRITERIA AND VET THE IDEA AND COME UP WITH THINGS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY USE AND BENCHMARK WHETHER OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND USE DATA TO FORM THE BASIS OF THESE DECISIONS.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS JUST SPIT BALLING.
AND THAT'S A TERRIBLE WAY TO MAKE POLICY.
AND I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THIS IS WORDED CURRENTLY IS TO COMMISSIONER SHE'S POINT OF VIEW, GONNA HAVE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
AND MY FEAR IS THAT IT'S GOING TO STIFLE DEVELOPMENT.
WE NEED TO BE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO BE BUILDING HOUSING HERE.
WE NEED TO MAKE BUILDING HOUSING HERE EASIER.
AND WE, TO THE EXTENT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ROADBLOCKS FOR THAT, THEY NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL, THEY NEED TO BE DATA DRIVEN, AND THEY NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHING REAL GOALS FOR THE PEOPLE THEY'RE MEANT TO HELP.
AND TO JUST SIMPLY SAY, WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT DOESN'T DO A DANG THING.
THAT'S WHY I THINK FOR SERIOUS NEEDS TO BE IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.
AND IF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION ISN'T SPECIFIC ENOUGH OR ISN'T, DOESN'T ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE, THEN LET'S BEEP IT UP.
AND THAT'S THE POINT OF MY MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOLLOWED, UH, VICE CHAIR ROOF.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY I CHANGED MY MIND, BUT, UM, THE POINT THAT I AM, I I GET IS EVEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, UM, BONUS, YOU CAN PAY IT, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DO IT.
YOU DON'T DO, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY GET THAT THE, THE OUTCOME THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND BY PUTTING IT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION, IT CAN BE VETTED AND THERE CAN BE SOME CONSISTENCY.
BUT I ALSO SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY NOT ONLY FOR, FOR THE PROTECTION OF RESIDENTIAL, UM, THAT'S BEING DISPLACED, BUT FOR THE DEVELOPER WHO OR THE BUILDER WHO'S REBUILDING TO NO EXPECTATIONS.
AND IF WE JUST, IF WE PUT IT HERE, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ANSWER BOTH SIDES OF THAT COIN.
BECAUSE IF HERE IT'S JUST WORDS THAT SAYS I HAVE TO AND NOT NECESSARILY HOW TO IF YOU VET IT OUT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IS SAYING, IF YOU VET IT OUT, YOU CAN BETTER PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF IT AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT.
AND I GET THAT MR. CHAIR RUMAN, PLEASE.
UM, I THINK BOTH IS THE WAY TO TACKLE THIS PROBLEM.
WE HAVE IN OUR, UH, IMPLEMENTATION TABLES, UH, UH, SEVERAL STRATEGIES, WHICH I HOPE IN THE LONG TERM WILL BE EFFECTIVE IN FINDING WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS DISPLACEMENT AND GENTRIFICATION.
BUT IT SERVES A SEPARATE PURPOSE BY ALSO INCLUDING IT IN THE GOALS WITHIN THE PLACE TYPE, WHICH IS WHEN A, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE, THE, THOSE ITEMS HAVE WORKED IN THE PAST AND WE SEE A ZONING CASE IS A STAFF PLANNER LOOKS AT, YOU KNOW, THOSE VARIOUS GOALS, CRA THREE, WHATEVER THEY ARE, AND ASSESSES THE CONSISTENCY OR THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE PROPOSED CASE WITH, WITH THOSE GOALS.
SO HAVING A FRANK DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT DISPLACEMENT MIGHT OCCUR WHEN A, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY IS BEING DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, AND IT COMES TO THE PLAN COMMISSION, I THINK IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
AND COMING UP WITH MEANINGFUL TOOLS TO ADDRESS DISPLACEMENT ARE, ARE, ARE BOTH,
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YOU KNOW, BOTH THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING.SO I WOULD NOT SHUFFLE THIS TO THE, THE BACK OF THE DOCUMENT, WHICH CONTAINS SOME VERY IMPORTANT SPECIFIC TOOLS OR SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO ADDRESS VARIOUS POLICY ISSUES.
SO THIS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ISSUES CONSIDERED IN DISCUSSION OF ZONING CASES BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT WE GET THESE TOOLS IN PLACE.
UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, I THINK IT'S ONE THING, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE COMMISSION HAS A ZONING CASE THEY'RE CONSIDERING, AND PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION IS SOMEBODY HAS AN OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY WANT TO TEAR IT DOWN TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE IDEA OF BUILDING SOMETHING NEW, INCREASING THE TAX ROLL IS A VERY BENEFICIAL THING THAT MANY PEOPLE WOULD BENEFIT FROM.
AND IF YOU WANNA SAY TO THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, THE DISPLACEMENT FACTOR WHEN CONSIDERING THE ZONING CASE.
THAT'S NOT AN INAPPROPRIATE THING.
YOU, YOU, YOU MIGHT STILL APPROVE IT, YOU MIGHT NOT APPROVE IT.
BUT TO IMPLY OR SUGGEST THAT YOU'RE PUTTING THE ONUS ON THE DEVELOPER TO DEAL WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE DISPLACED, I I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, AN ABSOLUTE WET BLANKET THAT WOULD SLOW DEVELOPMENT DOWN TO A VERY LARGE EXTENT.
SO UNLESS THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD, WE SHOULD CONSIDER MAKING THAT SUGGESTION.
SINCE THIS, UH, STATEMENT CRA THREE IS IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE, I BELIEVE THAT THOSE, UH, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE ARE MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS, THESE 1920 STYLE DUPLEXES, I THINK THE FOLKS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD WANT A POLICY WHERE WE'RE DISCOURAGING THE, THE TEARING DOWN OF THESE BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA REPLACE THEM IS GONNA BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
SO IF, IF THIS STATEMENT, UH, HAS A POLICY IN IT, WHICH HELPS THE, THE DEVELOPER TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF WHAT THEIR, OF THEIR REDEVELOPMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, CASE IS, THEN I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND, AND SO YES, I SUPPORT, INITIALLY I DIDN'T LIKE THIS BEING IN HERE AT ALL, BUT NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AND I'VE HEARD, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, IIII BELIEVE THAT ACTUALLY THIS SHOULD STAY IN HERE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, YOU HAVE YOUR, SORRY.
COMMISSIONER TURNOFF, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS ARE DIRECTED TO SOLVE A PROBLEM AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, BUT FOR ME, I HAVE TO RANK THE PROBLEMS. AND WHEN WE SAW THE DATA ON THE MEDIAN MULTIPLE INDEX WHERE WE SAW THAT THE CITY HAS LOST CONSISTENTLY FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS, WE HAVE LOST GROUND ON AFFORDABILITY AND WE NOW ARE APPROACHING ON THAT INDEX OF FIVE, WHICH WOULD PUT US AT HIGHLY, HIGHLY UNAFFORDABLE.
AND THEN ON THAT GRAPH WE SAW THAT PLACES LIKE CALIFORNIA WERE A 10.
THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE THREAT TO OUR CITY RIGHT NOW, IS THAT WE HAVE GAINING MOMENTUM AND A RUNAWAY FREIGHT TANK FREIGHT TRAIN.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THAT ON OUR HOUSING AT ALL LEVELS, AFFORDABILITY ALL THE WAY UP, THAT IN MY OPINION IS THE THING THAT WE SHOULD BE SOLVING FOR.
AND WHEN YOU READ ARTICLES ABOUT THE FAILURES OF CALIFORNIA'S HOUSING POLICY OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THE DEBATE YOU'RE ON, YOU WILL ALWAYS SEE IN THE ARGUMENT OR YOU'LL ALWAYS SEE IN THE ARTICLE THAT CHOKING OFF HOUSING SUPPLY WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WISH THEY COULD GO BACK AND CHANGE.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE BAKING INTO OUR FORWARD DALLAS PLAN, THINGS THAT DIRECTLY INHIBIT THAT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THOSE IDEAS AREN'T VALID.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A A, A, A VERY LONG LOOK AT THAT.
AND IT'S WHY I'M SAYING I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSING THIS AT A LATER DATE, BUT TO BAKE THIS IN AS IF IT'S A GIVEN IS,
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IS, IS, IS I THINK A BAD, VERY BAD IDEA.I'M GONNA GONNA GIVE ONE LAST EFF DITCH EFFORT ON SOME, A POTENTIAL COMBINATION OF LANGUAGE OR PIECES OF LANGUAGE BECAUSE, AND IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT IN MY PAST, ONE OF MY PAST LIVES, I HAD DEALT WITH THIS EXACT ISSUE AND WROTE A RECOMMENDATION IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.
SO IT WAS IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION TO DEAL WITH THIS EXACT ISSUE.
IT READ AND ACKNOWLEDGING SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS? PROVIDE INCENTIVES OR WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO SAY HERE IS CREATE OR EXPLORE THE CREATION OF INCENTIVES TO OWNERS OF OLDER MARKET RATE, MULTIPLE UNIT RENTAL PROPERTIES SUCH AS GARDEN APARTMENTS TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTIES WHILE PRESERVING AFFORDABILITY OF THEIR EXISTING UNITS AND AVOIDING DISPLACEMENT OF RESIDENTS.
SO THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT, I THINK SOME OF IT CAN BE AN ADJUSTED, IF WE'RE TALKING REDEVELOPMENT, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT IN ORDER IF WE WANT THIS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCENTIVIZE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE PRIVATE MARKET.
SO EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCENTIVES TO GET AT THIS SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN MAINTAIN OR PRESERVE AFFORDABILITY, WHETHER IT'S NATURALLY OCCURRING, OCCURRING AFFORDABILITY, AND THEN THEREFORE AVOID DISPLACEMENT.
SO ARE ARE PLEASE, HIS MIC IS ON.
UM, SO ARE YOU RE ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT IN ITEM CA THREE YOU REPLACE THAT WITH WHICH YOU, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU JUST WROTE AND POSSIBLY SENDING SOMETHING IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION TO FIGURE OUT THE, IN THE INCENTIVE PACKAGE OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, HOW IT'S DONE AND AND APPLIED? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING? YES, IT IS.
RE IT IS REMOVING THE CRA THREE.
SO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT, WELL, NO, I GUESS THAT'S NO LONGER WHAT IT WAS.
THE REMOVING OF IT, REPLACING IT WITH SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES IN THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION.
SO WE ACTUALLY COULD GET SOMETHING AND EXPLORE SOMETHING THAT HAS TE THAT COULD HAVE TEETH TO IT TO INCENTIVIZE WHAT WE WANNA GET.
SO, SO YOU'RE AT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE MOTION NOW AS COMING MAYBE ABOUT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE FROM THIS PAGE AND SAY, MOVE IT TO CHAPTER FOUR, WHAT YOU'RE, THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE ADDING IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD GO IN CHAPTER FOUR? NOT, NOT CORRECT.
IT WOULD GO IN CHA IT WOULD GO IN THE IMPLEMENTATION TABLE IN CHAPTER FOUR.
SO IT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT AND I DON'T REALLY CARE WHERE YOU PUT IT.
UM, I, I, I I MEAN NO, IT SAYS YOU DO WANT, NO, I I THINK IT PROBABLY BELONGS IN CHAPTER FOUR, BUT I'M NOT, I THINK THAT SEMANTICS, I LIKE THIS LANGUAGE.
I THINK IT ALSO PROVIDES SORT OF A LAYER OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
YOU, YOU MIGHT GET OUT OF THAT.
SO, AND I THINK IT HELPS KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, WHICH IS BENEFICIAL.
SO I LIKE THIS SOLUTION, I THINK HITS A LOT OF TARGETS THAT MAYBE WE WEREN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT.
AND SO IF SOMEBODY REALLY FEELS STRONGLY THAT IT SHOULD BE ON THIS PAGE INSTEAD OF THE OTHER CHAPTER, THAT PART DOESN'T BOTHER, DOESN'T MATTER TO ME VERY MUCH.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE OVERALL END RESULT.
AND SO I'M HAPPY TO AMEND, CHAIR, AMEND MY MOTION TO HAVE THAT AND I WOULD PUT IT IN THE IMPLEMENTATION.
BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, 'CAUSE IT REALLY MATTERS TO 'EM, I'D CONSIDER IT FRIEND TO HAVE 'EM IN BOTH SECTIONS.
UM, OKAY WITH THAT SINCE I SECOND YOURS? YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU SECONDED HER HER MOTION SECOND.
SO YOU'D BE OKAY WITH THAT? I SECOND, I SECOND HER MOTION.
I SECOND HER MOTION AND I, I COULD SEE IT JUST BEING DUPLICATED IN BOTH SPOTS.
SO THAT IS, YES, IT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE MOTION IS TO DUPLICATE THE LANGUAGE IN BOTH THIS SECTION AND IN CHAPTER FOUR.
SO I I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT.
AND UH, COMMISSIONER HALL, IS THIS A, IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO CALL THE MOTION
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CALL THE
HAS COMMENT? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE, AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NAY WE HAVE TWO IN OPPOSITION.
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I THINK WE, WE GOT THE SUPER MAJORITY FOR THAT.OKAY, SO LET'S HAVE A TO CALL THE QUESTION.
UH, SO NOW WE, WE VOTE ON THE LAST MOTION TO HAVE A IN BOTH SECTIONS.
UH, SO NOW WE'RE VOTING ON COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION, WHICH IS TO ADD THIS LANGUAGE TO CHAPTER THREE AND FOUR.
AND WE HAVE NO MORE DISCUSSION NOW.
SO WE UM, CALLED THE QUESTION, RIGHT? I THOUGHT WE JUST CALLED THE QUESTION.
WE VOTE NO, HE HE WANTS TO COMMENT.
CAN WE HAVE A RECORDED VOTE PLEASE? WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? SORRY,
OKAY, WE'RE WE'RE VOTE CAN YOU READ THE LANGUAGE AGAIN PLEASE? THE LANGUAGE IS PROVIDE INCENTIVES TO OWNERS OF OLDER MARKET RATE, MULTIPLE UNIT RENTAL PROPERTIES SUCH AS GARDEN APARTMENTS TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTIES WHILE PRESERVING AFFORDABILITY OF THEIR EXISTING UNITS AND AVOIDING DISPLACEMENT OF RESIDENTS.
JUST TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE, CHAPTER THREE, CHAPTER FOUR, UH UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A RECORDER VOTE PLEASE.
WE GO TO, WE GO TO THE MAPS NOW COMMISSIONERS, DID Y'ALL GET THE HARD COPIES OF THE MAPS? DID WE PASS THOSE OUT? YES.
OKAY, SO THE NEXT PIECE THAT WE HAVE UM, IS THE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT CAME IN FOR CHANGES TO THE PLACE TYPE MAPS.
UM, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S A LANGUAGE CHANGE ON ALL OF THEM.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CHANGES, UM, TO THE MAPS AND THEN WE HA TO THE LANGUAGE THAT I SHOULD SAY THE TEXT WITHIN SOME OF THE MAPS.
BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE RECOMMENDED PLACE TYPE MAP CHANGES.
SO WE SENT, THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE SENT OUT TO YOU LAST NIGHT.
THERE MIGHT BE, I THINK THERE'S AN INCLUSION OF ONE MORE BECAUSE WE HAD A MEETING
UM, AND SO IT IS WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT THE PLACE TYPE CURRENTLY IS AND WHAT IT'S RECOMMENDED TO.
AND THEN IT PROVIDES, I THINK, AND I FORGOT TO DO THIS ON THIS ONE, ADD THE AERIAL INTO THIS, THIS FIRST ONE.
BUT THE REST OF THEM HAVE THE AERIALS TOO.
IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SO THIS FIRST ONE IS ON THE MAP.
IT, WELL AGAIN, THIS WILL GET UPDATED ON THE ENTIRE CITYWIDE MAP, BUT THEN I ALSO IDENTIFIED WHICH DIS SMALLER DISTRICT MAPS THESE FALL IN.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS IN SOUTHWEST ONE WEST DALLAS.
AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO REVISE THE AREA BETWEEN THE RAIL LINE TO THE SOUTH, UH, RAIL LINE TO THE NORTH COMMERCE STREET TO THE SOUTH WESTMORELAND ROAD TO THE WEST AND NORTH HAMPTON TO THE EAST FROM THE PURPLE LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE, WHICH IS THE RED.
SO THAT, THAT PORTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, REFERRING TO THE PORTION THAT IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW, THAT IT WOULD BE GOING FROM LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE.
AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME, SO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME TRANSITIONING AREAS IN THIS AREA.
THERE IS STILL SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA.
AND SO THINKING ABOUT HOW WE, AND THEN ON THE TO THE EAST OF IT, YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THAT MORE OF MIXING OF LESS INTENSE INDUSTRIAL USES.
SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A FUTURE PERSPECTIVE, THIS COULD BE ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT YOU COULD SEE AS A TRANSITIONING AREA AWAY FROM MORE OF THOSE BIGGER,
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LARGER INDUSTRIAL AREAS INTO MORE OF A COMMUNITY MIXED USE.AND STAFF HAS LOOKED THROUGH IT, WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH THE AREAS, WE ACTUALLY DROVE THROUGH IT LAST NIGHT AS WELL.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH IT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE HONEST AS WELL THAT THIS WILL BE A CHALLENGE FOR THIS TO TRANSITION IN THIS WAY, BUT TO SIGNAL IT AND POINT TO IT, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THROUGH THE FORWARD DALLAS MAP.
BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALSO BEING HONEST AND REALISTIC THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A POTENTIAL CHALLENGE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE, UM, CHANGE IN THE S ONE WEST DALLAS TO UM, CHANGE THE UH, DEMARCATED AREA FROM UM, LOGISTICS TO LOGISTICS INDUSTRIAL PARK TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE? YEAH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
VICE CHAIR WE FOR YOUR SECOND AID DISCUSSION.
ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT GO TO.
OKAY, SO THIS IS NORTHEAST DALLAS.
AND THIS, I DUNNO IF I HAVE THIS.
OKAY, SO THIS FALLS WITHIN THE NE ONE NORTHEAST DALLAS MAP.
AGAIN, BOTH OF THESE AREAS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
UM, IT'S TWO SEPARATE REQUESTS.
THE MAP SHOWS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO THE MAP WITH THE, THE LAND USE COLORS ON IT.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS TO REVISE AREA BETWEEN MISSION AVENUE AND MA MONARCH STREET FROM HENDERSON AVENUE TO NORTH GARD AVENUE TO COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL FROM CITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT WOULD BE CHANGING THAT AREA THAT IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW TO THE YELLOW COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL FROM THE ORANGE.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE SMALLER BOX UP IN SORT OF THE RIGHT HAND CORNER REVISED AREA BETWEEN BELMONT AVENUE SOUTH TO ALLEY ALLEY LINE NORTH OF BELL AVENUE FROM SUMMIT AVENUE TO THE BOUNDARY OF PD 8 42 TO BE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL FROM CITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO AGAIN, MOVING THAT ONE INTO COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE RATIONALE FOR THAT SUBMITTED BY UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE AREAS CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA EAST OF HENDERSON AND BOTH AREAS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE SAME PD.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION DISTRICT CHAIR? I MOVE THAT WE MAKE THE AMENDMENT TO NORTHEAST DALLAS AND MAP N ONE E AS SUBMITTED.
UH, COPER, UH, HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OKAY, THE THIRD ONE WE'RE TALKING THE NORTHWEST.
ONE NORTHWEST DALLAS, STAFFORD.
UM, AND THIS STAFF HAS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON, BUT I'LL READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
SO THE, FOR THE FIRST ONE, REVISE THE AREA NORTH OF BACHMAN LAKE FRONTING NORTHWEST HIGHWAY TO NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE FROM COMMER COMMUNITY MIXED USE.
UM, SO THAT IS, SO I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE IS CLARIFYING IS IT, SO THERE'S THE BIG CIRCLE AND THE ONE WITHIN THE CIRCLE AND THEN AN ARROW.
SO THE QUESTION IS TO CONFIRM IS IF WE'RE MOVING ALL OF THAT RE ALL OF THE RED THAT'S IN THAT AREA, WHICH IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS THAT SECOND AREA OF REVISE THE AREA BETWEEN LOMBARDI LANE AND STORY LANE FROM DENTON DRIVE TO OVERLAKE DRIVE TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE FROM COMMUNITY MIXED USE THE RATIONALE WHILE PARTIALLY FRONTING ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN DENTON DRIVE.
THIS AREA SERVES AS THE BUFFER FOR THE INTERN INTERNAL STABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
TRANSITIONING TO COMMUNITY MIXED USE TO THE WEST, WHICH FRONTS ONTO NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AS WELL AS DENTON DRIVE.
HARRY HEINZ BOULEVARD I 35 AND THE BACHMAN DAR STATION.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION IN THE MAP OF NW ONE NORTHWEST DALLAS? I'VE MOVED TO MAKE THE MAP ADJUSTMENT AS PRESENTED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WAIT SEAT PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE SEEING HOW THAT LINES UP ON THE GROUND WITH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND CONSIDERING THAT THERE'S A SAM'S CLUB THERE ALREADY AND IT LOOKS LIKE SOME PRETTY SOMEWHAT INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES ON ON THE GROUND IN IN NUMBER TWO.
MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IF THE THOUGHT IS IT NEEDS TO TRANSITION THAT, THAT WOULD BE
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HELPFUL TO KNOW.YEAH AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION.
UM, THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE LARGE, UM, BOX RETAIL CENTERS WITHIN THIS IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
UM, AGAIN, NO ONE'S SAYING THAT THEY GO AWAY TODAY OR IN 10 YEARS, WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS WHAT THE SCALE OF THAT WOULD BE AND THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UM, THE COMMUNITY IN THE CENTER OF THIS CORE IS A STABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S NOT SAYING THAT REDEVELOPMENT ISN'T ANTICIPATED, IT'S JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE ON THE VISION FOR IT.
ANY UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER CNN? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE A THE OPPOSED AYES ABBOT, I THINK I HAVE THE YES, THE NEXT ONE IS C ONE DOWNTOWN OAK LAWN.
UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE TWO WITHIN THE SAME AREA.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS REVISE THE AREA BETWEEN WIRTH STREET AND VICTOR STREET FROM NORTH PEAK TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER OF PD 1 71 TO BE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL FROM NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE.
THE RATIONALE ON THIS ONE IS THIS AREA'S DE DESIGNATED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OF SMALL LOT RESIDENTIAL ZONING CONTRIBUTING TO THE EXISTING AND MIXED HOUSING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA AND IS INTERNAL TO THE STABLE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, REVISE AREA BETWEEN NORTH HASKELL AND CARROLL AVENUE FROM MAIN STREET TO TERRY STREET TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE IN LIEU OF COMMUNITY MIXED USE COMMUNITY MIXED USE IS HIGHER DENSITY ANTICIPATED AT ADJACENT NEAR EAST AND DEEP L MPDS AREA CAN SERVE AS TRANSITION ZONE TO LOWER SCALED RESIDENTIAL MATCHING THE LAND USE DESIGNATION AT ADJACENT CORRIDOR ALONG MAIN STREET.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? UM, AND YES AND ONE SMALL COMMENT.
UM, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE C ONE DOWNTOWN OAK LAWN UH, MAP ADJUSTMENTS AS SUBMITTED ON ITEM ONE, THE INTENT IS TO FOLLOW THE BOUNDARY OF PD 1 71, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY BEYOND THE YELLOW BOX.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR MOTION.
DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? OKAY, UH, ANY COMMENTS MR YEAH, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE WITHIN BOX TWO AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE ARE SOME LEGACY SORT OF AUTO SERVICE USES IN THERE AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT THEY ARE, AM I WRONG ON MY LOCATION? NO.
AND THE THOUGHT IS BY CHANGING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT TO NECESSARILY DRIVE OUT THOSE BUSINESSES, BUT IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION OF SCALE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THE LAST ONE IS ON OH SEC.
SO WE'VE GOT RED, UM, IN THIS MAP.
SO THIS IS DISCUSSING THE AREA IN RED ON THIS MAP, WHICH IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE.
SO COMMUNITY MIXED USE SHOWN FROM I 30 TO SOUTH HASKELL ALONG EAST GRAND.
UM, IT SEEMS THAT THIS WOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE SIMILAR TO SURROUNDING MIXED USE AT RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH.
UM, THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE A CONTINUATION OF COMMUNITY MIXED USE TO THE NORTH ADJACENT TO MOUNT AUBURN PD 1 34.
UM, AND APPEARS TO BE SIMILAR TO ADJACENT OWEN WOOD, INCLUDING IN THE MOUNT AUBURN AREA PLAN.
UM, AND SO THAT THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE WOULD SERVE AS A TRANSITION ALLOWING FOR FUTURE COMMUNITY LED PLANNING EFFORTS.
I HAVE A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
UH, HOW IS THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK? OH WELL MAYBE FAIR PARK IF I COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
IT MIGHT BE FRONT PARK BUT IT AIN'T SOUTH.
ALL OF ALL OF THE MAPS THAT ARE, UH, THEIR DESIGNATION DOESN'T NECESSARILY SPEAK TO PRECISELY WHERE THEY WERE.
I JUST GAVE A MAP CHANGE ON PEAKS EDITION IN OLD EAST DALLAS.
THAT'S IN THE CENTRAL AREA MAP.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY THIS IS BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF A MUCH BIGGER MAP THAT INCLUDES, I JUST USED THE TITLES OF THE BIG MAPS JUST FOR ORIENTATION PURPOSES, BUT IT IS, THIS IS JUST PART OF THE MUCH BIGGER AREA, SO IT'S NOT COULD YOU HAVE GAVE, COULD YOU HAVE GAVE ME A MAP OVER TO PUT YOU IN A PANEL? IT'S DI GOT WE HAVE SOME FLOOR.
IT'S NOT THE, ALRIGHT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF S SE ONE MOUTH MAP SOUTH DALLAS FAIR
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PARK, I MOVE TO CHANGE COMMUNITY MIXED USE TO NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE FROM I 30 TO SOUTH PASCAL ALONG EAST GRAND AVENUE.UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR YOUR MOTION.
OKAY, ONE MORE PLACE TYPE ADJUSTMENT.
THIS GOES BACK TO SOUTHWEST ONE WEST DALLAS.
UM, AGAIN, THE AREA ON YOUR MAP AND I THINK THAT THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT TO IT AND I'LL LET COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ADD THAT IN, BUT IT SAYS REVISED THE AREA BETWEEN THE RAIL LINE TO THE SOUTH DULUTH STREET TO THE NORTH BORDER, STREET TO THE WEST AND SYLVAN AVENUE TO THE EAST FROM CITY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THERE IS A POCKET OF A REMAINING, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THERE THAT THEY WANTED TO CAPTURE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.
I HAVE A MOTION, BUT, BUT I THINK THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT.
UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UM, PROPOSED CHANGE FROM CITY RESIDENTIAL TO COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL FOR THE DEMARCATED AREA WITH THE REVISION THAT THE, UM, TERRITORY INCLUDE ON THE WEST, UH, BEYOND BORGER STREET, AMOS AND ANDY STREET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
THIS IS A HISTORICALLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT NOW HAS SOME TOWN HOMES, BUT THE INTENTION IS THAT THIS REMAIN, UM, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE, UM, AREAS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST ARE, UH, HAVE, HAVE LARGELY DEVELOPED OUT AND MORE DENSE, BUT IT'S IN, UH, THE STRONG DESIRE OF THIS AREA TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT ANY FUTURE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SHOULD STAY IN THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL TIME.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? NO.
ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, WE HAVE THE, THIS, THIS, THE SECOND ITEM ON THIS ONE.
SO THE SECOND ITEM ON THE ONE PAGER WITH THE FIRST ONE WE DEALT WITH NUMBER 180 6 IN THE SPREADSHEET.
THE SECOND ITEM IS TO ADD LANGUAGE ON THIS SMALL DISTRICT MAPS, UM, AND A FOOTER.
IT'S BY THE LANGUAGE THAT'S ALREADY THERE THAT THIS, THESE MAPS DO NOT CONSTITUTE ZONING.
THAT THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THIS.
AND THAT THE PROPOSED TEXT FROM AFTER STAFF WORKED, AND I THINK WE WORKED WITH THE COMMISSIONER WHO'S OKAY WITH THIS, WHO ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED COMMENTS THAT THE PRO PROPOSED TEXT WOULD READ LAND USE MAPS OR GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS AND SHOULD BE UTILIZED IN CONJUNCTION WITH RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED WITHIN CHAPTERS ONE THROUGH FOUR OF THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE PROPOSED TEXT AS READ INTO THE RECORD.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.
YEAH, I HAVE ONE MORE MAP CHANGE PLEASE.
UM, ON THE UPTOWN MAP, UM, OR WELL ON THE MAP, C ONE.
C ONE UPTOWN IS, SHOULD BE CITY CENTER AND IT IS LARGELY COLORED BROWN INSTEAD OF BLUE.
AND SO I WANNA CHANGE, UM, IT TO BLUE WITHIN THESE BOUNDARIES.
UH, BOUNDED BY WOODALL ROGERS, STEMMONS COLE, AND RUTH, EXCLUDING STATE THOMAS AND PD NINE.
AND WHAT'S, UM, CURRENTLY FOUND, UH, COLORED AND REGIONAL MIXED USE SHOULD BE COLORED CITY CENTER.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND IT'S, IT'S LISTED AS CITY CENTER IN THE PLACE TYPES.
I JUST THINK THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE PLACE TYPES AND THE MAP.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
YOU NEED COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.
I JUST WANTED TO GET, I, I CAN'T QUITE FIGURE OUT THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
CAN WE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ZOOM IN ON THIS MAP A LITTLE BIT AND FOCUS ON THAT AREA? SO, UH, MR. KINGSTON, WHERE, WHERE IS IT EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S THE HEART OF UPTOWN.
IT'S, IT EXCLUDES OAK LAWN PD NINE STATE THOMAS.
UH, BUT IT'S THE STUFF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF
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WOODALL ROGERS STEMMONS, UM, SHY OF TURTLE CREEK.SO IT'S WHERE ALL OF THE HIGHRISE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, SEE NONE.
DID WE RESOLVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP? UM, GLOSSARY DEFINITION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLANNING TOOL AND ASPIR, IT SAYS IN THE DOCUMENT A PLANNING TOOL AND ASPIRATIONAL POLICY THAT REPRESENTS A COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR THE CITY'S GROWTH, ET CETERA.
WE HAVE NOT RESOLVED THAT, IN FACT.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER STAFF, DID YOU FIND AN ADDITIONAL DEFINITION? OH, THANK YOU.
UM, I WILL READ THAT INTO THE RECORD.
UM, LET ME GET WHAT NUMBER THAT WAS.
ITEM EIGHT ON THE GLOSSARY DOCUMENT.
CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE, OR I GET, WE'LL JUST CALL IT NEW PROPOSED TEXT FOR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, ADD A PLANNING TOOL AND ASPIRATIONAL POLICY THAT REPRESENTS A COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR THE CITY'S GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
GENERALLY 10 TO 20 PLUS YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.
SEE PLACE TYPE DEFINITION FOR MORE DESCRIPTION WHILE NOT SERVING AS ZONING OR REGULATION OF FUTURE LAND USE.
MAP PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND ZONING CASES AS WELL AS OTHER MAJOR CITY INVESTMENTS.
THAT IS THE CURRENT DEFINITION IN THE GLOSSARY.
SO IT HAS NOT BEEN ALTERED AT ALL.
THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, MA'AM.
YEAH, MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE WORD POLICY.
IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP A PLANNING TOOL AND ASPIRATIONAL POLICY OR IS IT A, OR IS IT A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF, OF THE VISION? I MEAN, POLICY JUST SEEMS TOO STRONG A WORD THERE FOR ME.
I, I WOULD SAY BECAUSE THE PLACE TYPES HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, LAND USE GUIDANCE, IT'S PUTTING THAT POLICY GUIDANCE ON A MAP.
AND SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS THE TYPE OF PLACE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TYPE OF PLACE WE WANT, AND THEN YOU'RE LABELING IT ON A MAP, THEN YOU'RE CREATING A POLICY TO SAY WE WANT THIS TYPE OF PLACE AND WE WANT IT HERE AND HERE'S THAT REPRESENTATION OF WHERE WE WANT IT AND WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT.
I MEAN, WHAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN JUST AVOID THAT WHOLE THING.
WE CAN JUST SAY A PLANNING TOOL THAT REPRESENTS A COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR THE CITY'S GROWTH.
COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SE ABOUT COMMISSIONER HERBERT TO ACCEPT ESSENTIALLY JUST THE FIRST PIECE OF THAT SENTENCE.
YES, THAT DELETES AND ASPIRATIONAL POLICY THAT SAYS A PLANNING TOOL THAT REPRESENTS A COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR THE CITY'S GROWTH, ET CETERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING ITEMS, STAFF, COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE AND I, NOT A MOTION ON THIS BECAUSE I DID NOT DO LANGUAGE, BUT IN READING SOME OF OUR OTHER AMENDMENTS, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE STAFF'S ATTENTION THAT YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION AND LANDMARK DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS WITHIN THE CITY AND WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVIEW THAT.
UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING ITEMS? WE JUST
LET'S JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING DONE.
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COMMISSIONERS,[06:54:09]
UH, LET'S TAKE OUR SEATS.I THINK I MADE A MISTAKE THAT SAID FIVE MINUTES.
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WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT A COUPLE OF MORE MINUTES, COMMISSIONER.OKAY, COMMISSIONER, IT IS, UH, 5 59.
UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? YES, CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF ITEM NUMBER 24 DASH 2 21 4.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS AMENDED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBEN FOR YOUR SECOND DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONERS, I'M NOT PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, UH, COMPLETE REVISION OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE VOTED ON.
AND I KNOW ALSO I DID SUBSTANTIVE REVISIONS TO ALL OF THE APPENDICES.
YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THE GLOSSARY TODAY, BUT THERE WERE QUITE A FEW CHANGES TO MAPS AND TO, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND CURRENT CONDITIONS.
AND, UM, I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T BE, UM, COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT THE WHOLE COMMISSION HAS NOT SEEN.
UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I SEE YOU.
UM, I AM READY TO SUPPORT THIS AND VOTED OUT TO COUNCIL.
I THINK WE'VE WORKED IT SENSIBLY WITH CITY STAFF TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENTS TO THIS DOCUMENT.
AND I TRUST THAT THAT, THAT WE WILL GET THESE RIGHT ON THE WAY ONTO COUNSEL.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE MAY BE SOME SORT OF SCRIVENER'S ERROR THAT HAPPENS BETWEEN HERE AND COUNSEL, I'M SURE IT CAN BE BE ADDRESSED AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
I WANNA SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY TO THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS DOCUMENT SINCE WE'RE AT THE END OF THE ROAD.
UM, WE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING THIS.
UM, REALLY I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION OF THE CHAIR OF CLUB TO EVERYONE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THIS, UM, LONG PROCESS.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO ATTENDED, YOU KNOW, 200 PLUS IN-PERSON EVENTS AND GAVE US, YOU KNOW, LOADS OF FEEDBACK, SOME SUPPORTIVE, SOME WITH CONCERNS.
UM, APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO HAS REALLY, UM, WEIGHED IN ON THIS VERY LONG PROCESS.
UM, ALSO WANNA APPRE, UH, EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO THE PUD STAFF WHO WORKED ON THIS.
MS. GILLIS, LAWRENCE AGU, PATRICK BLADES, BRIAN PRICE, SHALANDA, RO JOHNSON, ASH MAIK, TED HELM, ARTURO DEL CASTILLO, AS WELL AS, UM, GEORGE ZA FOR ALL OF HIS TECHNICAL SUPPORT.
AND ALSO WANNA THANK OUR FORMER DIRECTOR BACK WHEN IT WAS PUD, UM, JULIA RYAN AND OUR NEW DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, UM, JULIA OR EMILY LOU AS WELL AS ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF CLUB, UM, WHO WORKED ON THIS ALONGSIDE ME.
UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WHO IS MY VICE CHAIR.
PETER GOLDSTEIN, ROY LOPEZ, JENNIFER SCRIPPS, NATHANIEL BARRETT, JOE CANNON, JERRY HAWKINS, KRISTEN NIGHTINGALE, LINDA MCMAHON, MATT HOUSTON, COLIN YARBOROUGH, UM, MAUREEN MILLIGAN, FORMER COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DUSTIN BULLARD, JENNIFER AND HELL AND LYNETTE AGAR AGUILAR.
YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION IN WORKING ON THIS DOCUMENT WAS, UM, JUST ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.
I WANT TO JUST VERY QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT TWO, YOU KNOW, REALLY IMPORTANT
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PIECES OF THIS DOCUMENT.THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PIECE.
WE HAVE WORKED LONG AND HARD ON THAT AND IT HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM THE FIRST DRAFT WE'VE SEEN AT CLUB TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
UM, KUDOS TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND SEVERAL OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES, UM, FOR ALL OF THEIR HARD WORK ON THAT PIECE.
I KNOW STAFF MET WITH SOME OF THESE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO GET THIS DOCUMENT INTO SHAPE BECAUSE THE BIGGEST JUMP THAT I HAVE SEEN BETWEEN FORWARD DALLAS 2006 AND THE DOCUMENT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PIECE.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE IN FORWARD DALLAS 2006, UM, BASICALLY IN MY VIEW, DIDN'T TAKE THE PROBLEM SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
AND THIS IS A VERY GOOD DOCUMENT.
IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT, BUT TO GUIDE OUR LAND USE AND ZONING, UM, PIECES, UH, WORK IN THE FUTURE.
UM, ALSO WANNA ADDRESS THE HOUSING PIECE, WHICH I KNOW HAS PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, BEEN THE MOST CONSTERNATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, AMONG SOME OF US, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE STRATEGIES IN HERE THAT ARE MEANT TO ADDRESS OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE, INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT AROUND TRANSIT, ORIENT TRANSIT STATIONS, MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT IN AGING COMMERCIAL AREAS AND LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE ADD SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN A SENSITIVE WAY IN OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND HAVING SAT ON THIS BODY FOR OR OVER FIVE, I THINK IT'S OVER FIVE YEARS NOW, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN THAT DOING NONE OF THESE THINGS IS NECESSARILY ALWAYS EASY.
WE'VE SEEN MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT IN, YOU KNOW, AGING COMMERCIAL CENTERS BE SURPRISINGLY VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
AND SIMILARLY WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES IN, IN TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN EXPRESSED BY, BY CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT THIS, UM, DOCUMENT WILL REPRESENT A, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE FROM WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
BUT I THINK THIS BODY HAS WORKED LONG AND HARD TO IMPLEMENT MEANINGFUL SAFEGUARDS TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS NEW HOUSING LOOK LIKE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ZAC AND THE BODY WILL, WILL CONTINUE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS WHETHER OUR NEIGHBORHOODS CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING WITHOUT DESTABILIZING THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT I HEARD TODAY, WE HEARD LOTS OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, VARIOUS PEOPLE POSE THIS AS A CONFLICT BETWEEN DEVELOPERS AND HOMEOWNERS OR A WAY TO ADDRESS HYPOTHETICAL PROBLEMS ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH.
BUT THE FACT IS THAT THERE ARE TONS OF RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS RIGHT NOW WHOSE HOUSING NEEDS AREN'T BEING MET BY OUR CURRENT MARKET.
AND YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A SENSITIVE PLAN THAT INCLUDES A VARIETY OF STRATEGIES OF HOW TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, OUR HOUSING NEEDS AND, YOU KNOW, ISN'T JUST ADDRESSING HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE PROBLEMS BUT ADDRESSES AN URGENT PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME DIFFICULT DISCUSSIONS IN THE FUTURE ABOUT HOW WE MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE TRYING HERE AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE, HOW WE MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS.
UM, SO AGAIN, REALLY HOPE THAT YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IN THIS BODY CAN SUPPORT THIS DOCUMENT AND SEND IT ONTO COUNCIL.
AND ALSO THANKS TO ALL OF YOU, UM, 14 COLLEAGUES, I DON'T THINK I THANKED YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS LENGTHY PROCESS THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN LIVING FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS.
AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF LIVING FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, SO WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT.
UM, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE A LOT OF EDITING, ONE THING I'VE LEARNED IS A DOCUMENT IS NEVER PERFECT.
AS SOON AS YOU THINK IT'S PERFECT, YOU'LL REREAD IT AND YOU'LL FIND SOMETHING YOU MISS, YOU FIND SOMETHING YOU WANNA CHANGE, YOU'LL FIND SOMETHING YOU WANNA ADD.
OH, YOU, I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT OUT.
YOU CAN GET IN WHAT WE CALLED EDITING PARALYSIS WHERE YOU MOVE NOTHING FORWARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED WHEN I WAS PROJECT MANAGING FOR MAJOR COURT, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A TIMELINE
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AND IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A DUE DATE, YOU NEVER GOT A PROJECT THROUGH THE DOOR.IS THERE, ARE THERE CHANGES THAT COULD HAPPEN PROBABLY IN CITY COUNCIL? 'CAUSE THEY'LL SEE SOMETHING AT A MORE IN DEPTH LEVEL THAT WE WILL NEVER SEE ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZE IS THAT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WE HEARD THE RESIDENTS, WE HEARD THE COMMUNITY, WE PUT IN PLACE ALL THE PROTECTIONS.
WE, WE REWROTE IT, WE REWROTE IT, WE DI WE DISSECTED IT, AND WE WROTE IT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HAD A PROMINENCE.
IT HAD AN AREA IN WHICH THE, WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMMEDIATELY START PUTTING IN THINGS THAT DON'T, THAT RESIDENTS DON'T WANT.
AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED, EVEN AS OF TODAY, WE, WE MADE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD, WE, WE DID NOT CONSIDER THIS A PLANNING DOCUMENT.
UM, IF WE DON'T MOVE IT FORWARD, IT'S NEVER GONNA GET THERE.
I WANNA PERSONALLY THANK, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, 'CAUSE I KNOW SHE PUT IT WHERE ALL OF US LOOKED AT EVERYTHING AND SAID, UGH, WE GOT TOO MANY PAGES TO READ.
SHE REWROTE IT, SHE REREAD IT, SHE REWROTE IT.
AND THAT WAS JUST, THAT WAS BEFORE IT CAME.
THAT WAS AFTER IT CAME TO US FROM CLUB.
SO IS IT RIGHT, IS THE BEST THAT WE, WE CAN GIVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO I URGE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO TAKE A BOW, SAY WE'VE DONE THE BEST THAT WE CAN AT THIS, AT THIS LEVEL.
MOVE IT ON AND LET OUR BOSSES DO WHAT THEY GET PAID TO DO.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, AS TEMPTED AS I AM TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THAT WE SHOULD READ THIS ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE VOTE IT OUT.
I THINK THE MAJORITY OF US HAVE DEAL FATIGUE, AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO SEND THIS ALONG.
AND IF YOU REALLY WANNA READ IT ONE MORE TIME, YOU PROBABLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND GIVE YOUR COUNCILPERSON YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, I WANNA JOIN COMMISSIONER BLAIR IN THANKING COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
I KNOW HOW MUCH TIME SHE PUT INTO THIS IN READING THE DOCUMENT, AND, AND FRANKLY, SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO.
UM, I KNOW THAT A PROCESS IS LIKE, THIS IS NEVER EASY, AND IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE CONTENTIOUS, AND WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME ON IT.
IT'S MY SECOND TIME BEING INVOLVED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN PROCESS HERE AT THE CITY.
AND THE LAST TIME WASN'T FUN, AND THIS TIME WAS LESS FUN.
UM, BUT THIS PROCESS WAS MADE A LOT HARDER ON THOSE OF US AROUND THE HORSESHOE AND THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IN FEBRUARY WE GOT A VERY INCOMPLETE DOCUMENT.
AND LOOKING BACK, CLUB NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO DO ITS JOB BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAD ANYTHING CLOSE TO A COMPLETE DOCUMENT.
AND WHAT WE GOT IN JUNE WAS SO SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT CLUB EVER GOT AND WHAT WE GOT IN FEBRUARY THAT IT, THE PROCESS AND THE WAY IT'S BEEN HANDLED HAS REALLY MADE IT A LOT HARDER ON US.
MADE ALL OF US HAVE TO SPEND A LOT MORE TIME ON IT THAN WE PROBABLY NEEDED TO, AND MADE IT A LOT HARDER ON THE PUBLIC, WHICH IN TURN HAS MADE IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO GET THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND PARTICULARLY THE IMPLEMENTATION ASPECTS OF IT ARE GOING TO NEED FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY GOING FORWARD WHEN WE'RE ROLLING OUT THINGS, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT EASIER TO GET THE PUBLIC ON BOARD IF WE ROLL OUT A COMPLETE VERSION SO THAT THEY HAVE TIME
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TO LOOK AT IT AND THEY HAVE A COMPLETE DOCUMENT.IT BREEDS DISTRUST WHEN YOU GIVE THEM PARTS OF DOCUMENTS, AND IT'S AN EVER CHANGING, UM, TARGET.
UM, PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY DON'T DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
AND, AND THEY'RE NOT AS OFTEN AS WELL VERSED IN THIS AS, AS SOME OF US ARE.
UM, AND SO WHILE I'M NOT THE WORLD'S GREATEST PROOFREADER EITHER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A PROCESS HERE AND THAT WE DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND, AND MAKE CHANGES AND MAKE EDITS, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, WE SHOULDN'T BE WRITING IT AS WE GO AND WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING TO MAKE THE LEVEL OF CHANGES WE'VE HAD TO MAKE, UM, TO THIS DOCUMENT.
AND I, AND I JUST, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.
'CAUSE I AM QUITE CERTAIN I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO SHARES THAT SENTIMENT.
UM, I WANNA THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS GOING OVER THIS, UM, PROVIDING THEIR FEEDBACK, STAYING ENGAGED ON, ON ALL SIDES OF THE VARIOUS ISSUES.
UM, WHILE I, I DON'T THINK THIS PLAN IS PERFECT, I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT IT HAS THE LEVEL OF IMPORT, SOME PEOPLE ASCRIBE TO IT.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO PASS IT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT I HOPE BRING, UM, MORE, UH, IMPROVEMENT TO THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S IMPORTANT ZONING CHANGES OR IMPORTANT CODE AMENDMENTS THAT REALLY, UH, STAND TO IMPACT POSITIVELY THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER FOR THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
IT GIVES ME PAUSE FOR US TO BE CONSIDERING MOVING FORWARD TO DOCUMENT THIS IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITY AND THE DIRECTION OF OUR CITY WITHOUT HAVING IT IN FRONT OF US AND NOT ALLOWING THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE JUST VOTED ON, I LOST COUNT OF THE NUMBER OF PAGES OF EDITS, OF CHANGES OF COMMENTARY THAT WERE A DIRECT RESULT OF THE INPUT THAT WE HAVE, OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY, AND JUST GIVING EVERYONE OP THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW THE DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND TO GIVE US THEIR FEEDBACK.
THEY MAY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE GOT SOME THINGS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR INCLUDED.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD REOPEN THINGS.
I THINK WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
I ACKNOWLEDGE COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S COMMENT.
I VERY OFTEN GO BACK AND LOOK AND, OH, I MISSED THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE A REVISED DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE REVIEWED BY THE PUBLIC THAT THIS BODY CAN REVIEW AND SIMPLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMENTS, THE VOTES, ALL THE MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE ARE INCORPORATED, AND IT'S A SINGLE DOCUMENT AND NOT A REOPENING NECESSARILY A DISCUSSION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO STRUCTURE THAT MOTION, UM, IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
BUT I THINK WE OWE IT TO ALL THE FOLKS WHO HAVE SPENT SO MUCH TIME WITH US SUPPORTING IT, CONCERNED ABOUT IT, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN INFORMED CONVERSATION BEFORE WE MOVE IT FORWARD TO COUNSEL.
I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THAT WE'RE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC BY APPROVING THIS TONIGHT WITHOUT HAVING A FINAL VERSION OF THE PLAN.
WITH ALL OF THESE CHANGES THAT HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, THE STAFF SHOULD GO BACK AND INCORPORATE THESE CHANGES, COME UP WITH A FINAL DRAFT, AND THEN THAT SHOULD BE PRESENTED.
AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO WEEKS TO REVIEW IT AND, AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT TOO BEFORE WE HAVE A FINAL VOTE.
WE SHOULDN'T BE IN A HURRY ON THIS.
I MEAN, THE COUNCIL'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET IN, GET TO THIS ISSUE UNTIL SEPTEMBER ANYWAY.
THEY'VE GOT A NUMBER OF THINGS ON THEIR PLATE WHEN THEY COME BACK, UH, IN AUGUST.
BUT IF THIS IS OUR FINAL VOTE, WHICH IT PROBABLY WILL, BECAUSE I DOUBT THAT WE WILL SUCCEED IN OUR EFFORTS TO, UH, VOTE THIS DOWN TONIGHT.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I WANNA REPEAT WHAT ANGELA MADANO SAID TODAY.
THAT OVER IN THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, THEY HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT PROVIDES FOR A SINGLE FAMILY PLACE, A NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE TYPE, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPOSITION IN FORT WORTH THAT HAS BEEN ENGENDERED OR HAS GENERATED HERE IN DALLAS.
WE HEARD IT TODAY, WE HEARD IT AT ALL THE TOWN HALLS.
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WHO LIVE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL THAT THIS PLAN PUTS A TARGET ON THEIR BACK.THEY FEEL THAT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE AN R ZONING, WE SHOULD STATE CLEARLY THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IS THE ONLY PRIMARY LAND USE AND ANY OTHER HOUSING TYPE IS A SECONDARY LAND USE ONLY.
AND WE REFUSED TO STATE THAT WE VOTED IT DOWN 10 TO FOUR LAST WEEK.
SO WE KNOW IN THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER RUBIN SAID, THAT BASICALLY THIS PLAN PUTS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IN PLAY FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ON THE TABLE NOW WHEN IT COMES TO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MISSING MENTAL HOUSING.
AND WHENEVER THERE IS A REZONING CASE WHERE A DEVELOPER WANTS TO TAKE A, A LOT PREVIOUSLY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND MOVE IT TO DUPLEX OR TRIPLEX OR QUADPLEX OR MULTIPLEX, WE KNOW THAT THE FORD DALLAS 2.0 PLAN WILL BE PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION.
WE KNOW THAT IF THIS BODY IS NOT TARGETING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN, WHICH HAS BEEN SAID MANY TIMES, THEN WE SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR IN THE LANGUAGE OF THIS DOCUMENT.
BUT WE HAVE FAILED TO DO THAT.
AND THEREFORE, WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS YOU ARE EN ENABLING THE OPPOSITION, THE VERY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THIS PLAN TO CONTINUE AND, AND TO, AND TO BRING THAT OPPOSITION IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS PUTTING THIS PLAN AT RISK, ALL THE GOOD PARTS OF THIS PLAN, THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PIECE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONED AREAS AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
ALL THE GOOD PARTS OF THIS PLAN ARE AT RISK BECAUSE YOU WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT 90% OF THE PEOPLE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE ASKED YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE IN THIS PLAN.
SO YES, I VOTE AGAINST THIS PLAN, AND I WILL SPEAK IN AGAINST THIS PLAN IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN IT GOES BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN THE FALL.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THE MOTION HERE IN IN A FEW MINUTES.
GO TO MANY, MANY PEOPLE, UH, ESPECIALLY, UH, UH, VICE CHAIR, UM, RUBEN AND, AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, AS WELL AS STAFF, UH, THE, UH, CITIZENS AND THEIR EARNEST INPUT.
UM, I I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT A FORWARD LOOKING PLAN.
THIS IS CALLED FORWARD DALLAS.
I THINK IT IS A FORWARD LOOKING PLAN, NOT A PLAN THAT LOOKS BACKWARDS.
AND SO I'M, I'M, I'M PLEASED ABOUT THAT.
UM, I, UH, HAVE LEARNED THAT I DON'T EVER WANT TO SHOW, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ANYTHING I'VE EVER WRITTEN
YEAH, THAT'S, SO THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
AND, UH, I'LL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS BY QUOTING FORMER, UH, COMMISSIONER LIN, WHO, UH, WAS A MARVELOUS COMMISSIONER, BUT HE ONCE SAID THAT EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID, AND EVERYONE HAS SAID EVERYTHING.
SO MULTIPLE TIMES IN THIS CASE, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, PLEASE.
I, I BELIEVE THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT WE HAD SOME CHANGES, UM, AND, AND MOST OF THE CHANGES WERE WORDING A LITTLE, IT WASN'T SO OVER, UH, THERE WEREN'T CHANGES THAT WERE SO SIGNIFICANT THAT, UH, TODAY THAT WE COULD NOT GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS CASE.
AND I'M GOING TO SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF FA UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNERS THAT WE TALKED TO WERE NOT IN AR IN, IN AREAS.
UM, DID NOT EVEN COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
I MEAN, CITY COME TO THIS, UH, HORSESHOE.
BUT, UM, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE, UM, DEFINITELY WASN'T FROM THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S WHOLE DISTRICTS THAT ONE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY, THERE WAS NOT A REPRESENTATION HERE AT ALL.
UM, AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY, THERE ARE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THAT THAT DISTRICT DID SHOW UP.
UM, UM, ME TALK, I I, I GO THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY OF DALLAS.
I, I'VE BEEN THROUGH FROM SOUTH DALLAS TO NORTH DALLAS, OAK CLIFF, ESPECIALLY IN THAT 7 5 2, 1 6, 7 5 2 0 3 ZIP CODES, 7, 5, 2, 1 7 ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT THIS, WE HAVE DONE THE BEST
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THAT WE CAN DO.WE'VE WORKED ON IT, UH, THANKFUL TO ALL THE STAFF.
UM, PATRICK SAYS, ANDREA, I'M STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF A AREA PLAN, AND I CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
UM, PRIOR TO ANDREA COMING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE HAD PEOPLE ON OUR COMMISSION, I MEAN, ON OUR AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE THAT WERE DROPPING OFF BECAUSE THEY HAD NO FAITH.
UM, I CAN SPEAK TO HER INTENTIONALITY IN THIS PROCESS.
AGAIN, I'M STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF AN AREA PLAN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO LINE UP WITH FORWARD DALLAS, UH, FOR OUR AREA.
AND, AND IT HAS BEEN WELL THOUGHT OUT A BUNCH OF TRAINING.
UM, RIGHT NOW, I'M, I'M CONSTANTLY ON THE PHONE WITH, WITH PATRICK AND LINDSEY WORKING OUT HOUSING AND, AND, AND, AND FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL AND WHAT CAN THESE CORRIDORS BE? AND LOOKING AT THAT, LOOKING AT THAT.
AND SO WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF INTENSE, UM, AREA PLANS THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO I, I'VE TRUST PUD PROBABLY IN A WAY, I HAD NOT BEEN HERE THAT LONG.
BUT I TRUST PUD BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AND THEY'VE NOT ALWAYS GOT THE BEDSIDE SIDE.
IF YOU'VE EVER WORKED IN SOUTH DALLAS, YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE AN ISLAND AND THERE IS A LOT OF POINT OF VIEWS.
THERE'S A LOT OF YELLING AND SCREAMING.
AND I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I CAN SAY THAT I HAVE OLDER MEMBERS OF MY COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN OUT HERE FIGHTING MS. RAGSDALE, MS. MIRIAM, UM, SO MANY, UM, OTHERS THAT COUNTLESS, THAT I CAN SPEAK TO THAT HAVE FOUGHT THE FIGHT AND THAT TRUST WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH P AND HAS A TRUSTING EXPERIENCE WITH P UM, THIS COMMISSION, WE'VE ARGUED, WE FUSSED, WE FIGHT.
I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN FOR DALLAS, UM, WE'VE SEEN RIGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION, I MEAN, RIGHT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, WE'RE OFTEN FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAILS FOR HOUSING AND WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME, SOME INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT HAS GET TO, MADE THEM FEEL LIKE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO X OUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S ROOMS AND DUPLEXES PRIOR TO EVEN HEARING IT THIS INTENSELY WITH, FOR DALLAS, WE ARE THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN WAS DRIVING AND LOOKING AND SAYING, WHERE DOES THIS CONSTITUTE? WE HAVE DISTRICTS THAT ARE STRICTLY COMMERCIAL WITH HOW NO HOUSING ALLOWED LIVE WORK IS, IS ONLY ONE DWELLING.
SO TAKING ALL THAT BACK AND SAYING, HEY, WHERE DO WE PUT THESE AT? HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS RIGHT NOW SAYING, HEY, NECESSARILY THAT TOWN HOME THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD, THOSE TOWN HOMES YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD WITH FIRST FLOOR GARAGES.
THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T LIKE THAT.
THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE MAYBE A THREE STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX.
AND GETTING DEVELOPERS TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IN YOUR COMMUNITY, HAVING THAT STRONG, THE THE PUBLIC, HAVING A STRONG KNIT COMMUNITY AND BEING ABLE TO GO TALK TO A DEVELOPERS AND GET THEM TO SEE, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY HAVE A BLANKET SHEET THAT THEY'RE, AND THEY HAVE A ARCHITECT THAT NECESSARILY DON'T KNOW THE LAY OF THE LAND AND THE COMMUNITY IS, IS NOT INVESTED OR, OR DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR NOT CONNECTED WELL ENOUGH.
AND THE DEVELOPER IS JUST TRYING TO DRAW WHAT THE, WHAT A ARCHITECT HAS GIVEN THEM.
BUT WE OFTEN, AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET THEM TO CHANGE THEIR MIND AND GIVE THEM A BLANKET.
BEING IN YOUR COMMUNITY REALLY, REALLY WORKS.
UM, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF SAYING WE NEED DESIGN STANDARDS.
WHAT THAT LOOK LIKE, I'M ASKING STAFF.
I'VE ASKED STAFF AND BEEN WORKING AND TRY AND GETTING THEM.
WE'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE NEED TO MAKE IT IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE WHERE, WHEN THEY BECOME, WHEN, WHEN DEVELOPERS COME BEFORE THIS BODY, THAT THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO OFFER US A DEVELOPMENT PLAN SO WE'LL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THE GROUND.
'CAUSE OFTENTIMES WITHOUT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE ARE VOTE, WE WILL VOTE ON SOMETHING AND THEN THE DEVELOPER DO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN HELP WHAT WE ARE REPLACING IN FORWARD DALLAS COME TO FRUITION.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING, 'CAUSE THE COMPONENT THAT HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS HOUSING THOSE THINGS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WILL ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY VOICE IS FULLY HEARD.
WHAT THEY'RE SEEING ON THE GROUND IS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
AND THOSE THINGS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN IMPLEMENTATION.
THOSE THINGS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN CHANGES TO OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.
BUT I, I AM, I AM AS PLEASED AS I CAN BE WITH WHAT WE'RE DONE BEFORE THIS AND HOW IT ALIGNS UP WITH, UM, EVEN THE AREA PLAN.
THERE'S 14 AREA PLANS THAT WERE CREATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, DISTRICT SEVEN'S AREA PLAN IS STILL, WE'RE AT THE END OF
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THE ROAD, BUT WE LEARNED A LOT OVER THE YEARS.I CAN'T, I CAN'T EVEN, I MEAN, I'M LITERALLY GOING TO SCHOOL AT 47 BECAUSE OF PUD.
I, I SAY THIS A THOUSAND TIMES OVER, AND IT MIGHT NOT MEAN A LOT TO ME A LOT, BUT WORKING WITH THOSE PEOPLE IN POD ANDREA, MISS, UM, BOWIE, LINDSAY, THE ENCOURAGEMENT, THE CAUSE, THE THINGS, BECAUSE THEIR IMPACT WAS SO SUFFICIENT ON ME DOING, DOING OUR AREA PLAN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT I'M IN A SENIOR YEAR OF SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THEM, AND GOING BACK AND LEARNING BECAUSE MY COMMUNITY DON'T KNOW ABOUT AREA PLANS.
THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT, UM, URBAN PLANNING.
BUT THOSE THINGS MAKE AN IMPACT.
SO THIS IS JUST NOT A ONE AND DONE LEARN FROM THIS AS A COMMUNITY.
OUR COMMUNITIES LEARN FROM THIS.
WE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SEE DEVELOPMENT, THAT WE GO TO OUR NEIGHBORS, WE GO TO THE DEVELOPER, UM, THEY SAY WHAT THEY SAY, YOU GET MORE, YOU GET BETTER WITH HONEY THAN WITH, UH, SALT.
WE ARE LEARNING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT, THAT DON'T CURL.
WE HAD A DEVELOPER ON THE PHONE THE OTHER DAY.
WE, UM, WE ARE FOR, AND HE TOLD US THAT HE DIDN'T CARE.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE, BUT WE WENT TO HIM, YOU KNOW? BUT WE HAVE OTHER DEVELOPERS.
I THINK THAT I AM VERY, I'M PLEASED.
I, I, I CAN'T, I DON'T THINK PUD IS TRYING TO PULL ONE OVER ON US.
AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE OR HAVE AGENDAS THAT HAVE PUSHED THE NARRATIVE THAT WE'RE PUSHING OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
WHERE DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THAT? WE'VE HEARD THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THANK YOU GUYS THAT PUT, THANK THIS BODY.
UH, I, I COME IN, THIS MIGHT SEEM SOMETIME I'M A HELL RAISER, BUT IT, UH, THIS BODY I TO LEARN EVERY DAY.
I, I LEARN EVERY DAY SOMETHING NEW.
AND IT HELPS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THANK YOU.
UM, YES, STAFF HAS BEEN, IN MY OPINION, REMARKABLE THROUGH THIS ENTIRE THING.
UM, YOU'VE HAD LEADERSHIP CHANGES, UM, STAFF CHANGES, UH, DIRECTION CHANGES.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN, UM, EXCELLENT.
UM, COMING IN DISTRICT THREE, DEALING WITH THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, UM, WAS CHALLENGING.
I, UM, OFTEN PRAY FOR YOU GUYS AFTER YOU LEFT A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
UM, BEFORE WE GOT THIS EDITION, THIS WAS JUST ON THE ONE-ON-ONES.
UM, A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS WERE VERY, UM, UH, EDUCATED ON FORWARD DALLAS BEFORE THIS.
UM, OFTEN MY NEIGHBORS WILL COME HERE, USE FOR DALLAS AS A, UH, METHOD TO FIGHT FOR CASES AND HAVE IT THROWN BACK IN THEIR FACE.
SO I DO KNOW FOR DALLAS IS NOT A ZONING TOOL.
UM, I SAY THAT TO SAY, YOU GUYS KNOW MY HISTORY NEW ORLEANS KID
MY MY GRANDMOTHER MOVED TO NEW ORLEANS IN THE FIFTIES INTO A HOUSING PROJECT CALLED THE MAGNOLIA PROJECT AND THE CJP PROJECT, BECAUSE OF, UH, FEARS FROM THE WAR, ASIANS WERE SUPPOSED TO HOUSE BE HOUSED HERE.
UM, SO MOVING FROM VILLE, LOUISIANA TO NEW ORLEANS, UM, THIS WAS HOUSING FOR HER FOR THE NEXT 45 YEARS.
THE BUILDINGS WERE DEMOLISHED.
THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN CHANGED FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS NOW BECAUSE OF FIXING ZONING, BAD ZONING.
I SAY THAT TO SAY, I THINK STAFF ARE TAKING THIS BOLD CHALLENGE BECAUSE THESE WERE, THESE WERE BOLD INITIATIVES.
UM, AND I'M SURE MR. JERRY HAWKINS ON, UM, THE CLUB TEAM HELPED WITH THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT WHAT'S NEEDED TO BE CALLED OUT.
WE HAD 20 YEARS OF NOT HAVING A PLAN.
UM, SO I THINK IT NEEDED TO BE STRONGER.
UM, I WILL LEAVE WITH THIS STATEMENT AND MY EXPERIENCE, UM, IN, IN MY EDUCATION AND MY RESEARCH IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, IT IS CLEAR SINGLE FAMILY ONLY ZONING IS A RELIC OF DISCRIMINATORY PASTS, ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING HOUSING COSTS, FOSTERING SEGREGATION, AND LIMITING OUR COMMUNITY'S POTENTIAL FOR DIVERSITY.
INCLUSIVITY, YOU RESTRICT THE HOMES OR THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO GROW CHILDREN, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, AND ESPECIALLY LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS, NO MATTER THEIR COLOR.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT DOING SINGLE FAMILY ONLY EVEN IN FORT WORTH, SINGLE FAMILY OWNING ONLY IS A HOUSING TYPE MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY.
THEY'RE USED IN THAT WAY, BUT THEIR DISTRICTS, THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE FAMILY ONLY DISTRICT MENTIONED THROUGHOUT THEIR WHOLE COMPREHENSION PLAN.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I THINK THE CHANGE, I'M, I'M A CURRICULUM DEVELOPER.
WE'VE, WE'VE SOLIDIFIED THE MAJOR PARTS
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OF THIS DOCUMENT, AND I FEEL LIKE THE EDITS WERE UNDERSTANDABLE, UM, NEEDED AND HAD TIME TO SLEEP ON THEM.SO THEREFORE, WE'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, ALL THOSE COMMISSIONER HALL? YEAH, I, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S READY TO, TO TAKE SOME ACTION ON THIS, BUT I LET JUST SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I AM READY TO PASS THIS ON TO COUNCIL.
THE, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION WE MAKE, I TRUST STAFF, THEY'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT JOB.
THEY'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB SO FAR ON THIS DOCUMENT.
IT'S, THEY'VE BEEN UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE.
WE'VE BEEN UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE, BUT, UH, WE'VE MADE OUR EDITS.
WE'VE READ THIS THING TO DEATH.
UH, THEY'LL DO THE CORRECTIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
LET'S PUSH THIS ON TO COUNCIL.
UM, I DO WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN LIVING UNDER FORWARD DALLAS SINCE 2016, WHAT? 18 YEAR? SIX 18 YEARS.
THAT VERSION OF FORD DALLAS SAYS BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT THIS VERSION OF FORD DALLAS SAYS.
AND IN THOSE 18 YEARS, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS DID NOT DISAPPEAR, NOR WERE THEY SERIOUSLY THREATENED.
NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THROUGHOUT THE 45 YEARS OF MY MARRIAGE, WE HAVE LIVED IN APARTMENTS.
WE HAVE OWNED FOUR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
WE'VE LIVED IN A RENTAL HOUSE.
WE'VE LIVED IN A FOURPLEX IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY.
AND WHEN WE RELOCATED BACK TO DALLAS AND SOLD OUR LAST SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WE FOUND THAT WHERE WE WANTED TO LIVE IN THE CITY WHERE WE WANTED TO LIVE, WE STRICTLY COULD NOT AFFORD IT.
WE'VE LIVED IN A CONDO FOR 10 YEARS.
AND THAT ALLOWS US TO LIVE WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE.
IT WAS THIS WIDE RANGE OF DIVERSE HOUSING THAT HAS ALLOWED US TO LIVE THE LIVES THAT WE WANTED TO LIVE OVER 45 YEARS.
SO HOUSING DIVERSITY IS NEEDED.
THIS PLAN IS WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
THIS PLAN DOES NOT THREATEN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT GOT OUT THERE OR WHY THAT'S STILL BEING PREACHED, BUT NEVERTHELESS, UH, KUDOS TO STAFF FOR DOING WHAT THEY DID.
KUDOS TO YOU GUYS FOR DOING ALL WHAT YOU DID.
WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA TWEAK IT, BUT LET'S GET IT TO COUNCIL.
SIR, AROUND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, AND I'LL BE BRIEF.
I KNOW WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
UM, IT CLEARLY APPEARS THIS IS GONNA ACT.
I'M NOT SPEAKING ON THE MERITS.
UM, I THINK MANY OF YOU ANTICIPATE I AM GONNA GO VOTE AGAINST THIS.
I, IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN.
WE HAVE A MOTION, THE SECOND COMMISSIONERS TO MOVE THE UPDATE TO FORWARD DALLAS TO THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? CAN WE HAVE RECORDED VOTE? WE CAN DO A RECORDED VOTE.
LET'S, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK TO GET HER PIZZA AND COME BACK AND WE'LL START WITH OUR ZONING CASES.
IT WAS, UH, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 TO FOUR.
WE ARE RECORDING COMMISSIONERS.
IT IS 6:52 PM AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
[Zoning Cases - Consent]
WE'RE GONNA HEAD INTO OUR ZONING DOCKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN.UH, SO FOR OUR FOLKS THAT ARE STILL HERE, THE CASES THREE, FIVE, AND EIGHT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF CONSENT, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY WILL BE DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY, THEY WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF AT ONE AT A TIME.
THAT LEAVES CASES FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN TO BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION.
UNLESS THERE ARE SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE THREE CASES.
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UH, ITEM FOUR, CASE C 2 3 4 DASH 1 28.AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY ON PROPERTIES ON SUBDISTRICT 10 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 98, THE BRYAN AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF LIVE OAK STREET BETWEEN LIBERTY STREET AND OAK STREET STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
ITEM SIX, KC 2 3 4 DASH 2 0 5.
AND AMENDMENT TO SUBDISTRICT 1D WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SEVEN 14, THE WEST COMMERCE STREET, FORT WORTH AVENUE, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
AND TWO, AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE.
PERMIT NUMBER 24 37 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF POWELL STREET BETWEEN HASLETT STREET AND SULFUR STREET NORTH OF YORKTOWN STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS ONE APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO SUBDISTRICT 1D WITHIN PD NUMBER SEVEN 14, SUBJECT TO AMENDED CONDITIONS AND TWO, APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO SUP NUMBER 24 37 FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
AND ITEMS SEVEN CASE C 2 3 4 DASH 2 0 6.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
DISTRICT NUMBER FOUR 11 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF HARVEST HILL ROAD AND NOLL ROAD STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON CASES FOUR, SIX OR SEVEN? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? ONE NOT ON RECEIPT.
PARDON ME? ONE, NOT ON TWO, NOT ON FEET.
UH, YOU MEAN NUMBER THREE? TWO IS ON CONSENT, RIGHT? THREE.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THREE.
TWO WAS THE, UH, FORWARD DALLAS? WE JUST VOTED ON THAT ONE.
I MEAN, THREE IS THREE ON EIGHT, RIGHT? THREE.
IT, THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME MINOR CHANGES FOR STAFF THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE THAT LIVE WORK WAS AFTER THE DOCKET.
WE JUST HAVE TO READ IT AS BRIEFED.
SO BECAUSE OF THOSE MINOR CHANGES, WE HAVE TO HERE.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN PLEASE.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3, 4 1, 2 8 Z, 2, 3, 4, 2, 0 5, AND Z 2 3 4 2 0 7.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THEM, UM, AS THEY ARE LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? IS NUMBER SEVEN Z 2 34 DASH 2 0 6? YES IT IS.
ARE YOU GONNA BELIEVE YOUR LYING EARS OR MY LYING EYES?
COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEMS FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN.
UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SECOND BY MYSELF.
ANY DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO NUMBER THREE
[3. 24-2216 An application for a new subdistrict for retail and personal service uses on property zoned Subarea 2 and Subarea 3 within Planned Development District No. 363, the Jeffries/Meyers Planned Development District, on the north and west corners of Merlin Street and Al Lipscomb Way. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to conditions. Applicant: Anne Evans, Southfair Community Development Corporation Representative: Ami Pairkh, Stantec Planner: Michael V. Pepe Council District: 7 Z223-307(MP)]
THAT HAD SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, AS BRIEF.UM, Z 2 2 3 3 0 7 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA TWO AND SUB AREA THREE WITH THEN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3, 6 3.
JEFF MEYERS, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT LOCATED ON AND WEST CORNERS OF MERLIN STREET AND AL LIPSCOMB WAY.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN A MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 3 0 7? I MOVE TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT CONDITIONS, AND AS WE BRIEFED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND.
WHAT WERE, I DON'T REMEMBER THIS CASE EVEN BEING BRIEFED.
SO WHAT WERE THE CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED? WE, WE BRIEFED IT.
AND THEN AT THE VERY END IT WAS JUST, UH, AS THE COMMISSIONER'S SUGGESTION, WE ADDED THE LIVE WORK USE.
WE HAD TO DEFINE AND THEN PERMITTED.
WE ADDED IT TO, TO RESEMBLE PD 5, 9 5.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[5. 24-2218 An application for an amendment to deed restrictions [Z978-150 and Z190-168] on property zoned a CS Commercial Service District, on the north corner of South Fitzhugh Avenue and Haskell Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval of an amendment to deed restrictions [Z978-150 and Z190-168] as volunteered by the applicant. Applicant: Jose M. Martinez [Sole Owner] Representative: Jose C. Garcia, XG Drafting Planner: LeQuan Clinton Council District: 2 Z234-186(LC)]
MR. PEPE, CAN YOU READ THAT IN PLEASE?[07:40:02]
ITEM FIVE KC 2 34 DASH 86.AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO DEED RESTRICTION Z 9 78 DASH 15 AND Z ONE 90 DASH 16 EIGHT ON PROPERTIES ZONE, A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH FITZ HUE AVENUE AND HASKELL AVENUE STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO DE DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 9 78 DASH 15 AND Z ONE 90 DASH 68 AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? D SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 180 6.
I MOVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 8TH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
[8. 24-2221 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1959 for an attached projecting non-premise district activity videoboard sign on property zoned Planned Development District No. 619, on the southeast corner of Elm Street and North Field Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a six-year period, subject to staff’s recommended amended conditions. Applicant: Big Outdoor Texas, LLC Representative: Suzan Kedron & Victoria Morris, Jackson Walker, LLP Planner: Wilson Kerr Council District: 14 Z234-209(WK)]
YES, THIS IS AN APPLICATION.UH, THIS IS, UH, Z 2 3 4 2 0 9.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT.
UH, TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1959 FOR AN ATTACHED REJECTING NON PREMISES DISTRICT ACTIVITY VIDEO BOARD SIGN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 6 1 9 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ELM STREET IN NORTHFIELD STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A SIX YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED, UH, AMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO 12 DASH 3 58? UH, MOVE THAT WE, I'M SORRY, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, Z 2 3 4 DASH 2 0 9, A MOVE THAT WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND, UM, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT.
HOLD THE MATTER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 8TH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
[9. 24-2222 An application for a Planned Development District for MU-2 Mixed Use District uses on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, located on the southeast corner of Preston Road and Belt Line Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a conceptual plan, a development plan, and staff’s recommended conditions. Representative: Masterplan, Lee Kleinman and Andrew Ruegg Planner: Jennifer Muñoz U/A From: June 20, 2024. Council District: 11 Z212-358(JM)]
KC 212 DASH 3 58.AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED AS CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PRESTON ROAD AND BELTLINE ROAD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON, WELL, IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? I SEE, YES, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONERS ANDREW RIG 2201 MAIN STREET.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE UNDERSTAND IT'LL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO GIVING YOU A FULL PRESENTATION WITH SOME UPDATED PD CONDITIONS FOR THE, UH, NEXT HEARING.
UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY TODAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, VICE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YEAH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 3 5 8, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 8TH.
AND I HAVE VERY BRIEF COMMENTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, THIS IS OF COURSE, PEPPER SQUARE.
WE'VE BEEN HEARD, HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT IT.
UM, IT IS MY ABSOLUTE GOAL TO ACTUALLY TAKE THIS THING UP ON, ON EIGHT EIGHT AFTER HOLDING IT A FEW TIMES.
AND, UM, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE APPLICANT AS AS MENTIONED, WILL BE CIRCULATING SOME REVISED PD CONDITIONS SOON SO WE CAN HAVE A WELL-INFORMED DISCUSSION ON THE EIGHTH.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ALL THOSE HAVE EVER PLEASE SAY AYE.
[10. 24-2223 An application for a new subdistrict for SC Shopping Center District uses and residential uses within Planned Development District No. 101, on the northwest line of West Camp Wisdom Road, between Belt Line Road and Mountain Creek Parkway. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a conceptual plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Applicant: Pacific Harbor Equities, LLC Representative: Robert Reeves & Associates Inc. Planner: Michael V. Pepe U/A From: June 20, 2024. Council District: 3 Z223-331(MP)]
ITEM 10 IS Z 2 2 3 3 3 1.AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR SC SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT USES AND RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
DISTRICT NUMBER 1 0 1 ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF WEST CAMP WISDOM ROAD BETWEEN BELTLINE ROAD AND MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UH, THE MICROPHONE, SIR? THE, THE LITTLE, THE MIC.
THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON FOR THE MICROPHONE.
I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
YOU SHOULD HAVE BEFORE YOU A CON ILLUSTRATED SITE PLAN OF WHAT OUR DEVELOPMENT
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IS AND, UH, I THINK IT'LL HELP EXPLAIN A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP DURING THE BRIEFING.THIS IS A REQUEST ON 10.47 ACRES OF LAND, UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED SHOPPING CENTER ZONING.
UH, OBVIOUSLY SHOPPING CENTER ZONING ALLOWS ALL KIND OF A MYRIAD OF DIFFERENT KIND OF USES.
AUTO SERVICE, HOME IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THIS PD ALLOWS 240 FEET IN HEIGHT AND A 0.15 FAR.
OUR REQUEST IS TO REQUEST, IS TO REQUEST MULTIFAMILY TO ALLOW WHAT'S CALLED SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL.
I WANT TO QUOTE AN ARTICLE IN USAA, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
CONSUMERS ARE INCREASINGLY CHOOSING TO RENT, BUT DON'T WANT TO SACRIFICE THE LAST LIFESTYLE OF A HOME THAT THEY'VE WORKED TO ACHIEVE.
SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL COMMUNITIES HAVE BECOME POPULAR SINCE 2017, AND THERE'S OVER 3000 DWELLING UNITS CURRENTLY BUILT IN THE METROPLEX.
SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE ASKING FOR MS ZONING LIMITED TO 12 UNITS IN AN ACRE, WHICH IS COMPARABLE TO TOWNHOUSE THREE.
UH, BUT, UH, TOWNHOUSE REQUIRES YOU TO BE BUILT ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS, WHICH WE'RE NOT.
WE'RE LIMITED TO TWO STORIES 30 FEET IN THE HEIGHT.
UH, THESE ARE SITE BUILT SMALL HOMES.
OUR FREESTANDING HOMES, UH, THEY HAVE PORCHES, SMALL BACKYARDS COVERED.
PARKING IS AVAILABLE, THE COMMUNITY IS GATED.
AND, UH, WE'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF ALLOWABLE LAND USES, UH, FROM 105 TO 33.
AND 5% OF OUR HOUSING IS DEDICATED TO MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
WE DID FILE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY.
WE DID ONE IN SEPTEMBER, UH, WHEN THIS CASE WAS FILED.
AND THEN WE INCREASED THE DENSITY BY TWO UNITS AN ACRE, AND WE FILED A SECOND TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IN, UH, DECEMBER.
SO, AND I VERIFIED THOSE WITH DAVID NEVAR AND I KNOW HE IS GONE HOME.
OTHERWISE, HE WOULD'VE SPOKEN TO THIS.
UH, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE DEVELOPER.
RICHARD, HOPE TO MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
I, UH, LIVE AT 64 0 3 LAKE BLUFF DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS, THAT'S IN THIS SAME MOUNTAIN CREEK COMMUNITY.
UM, UH, I WANNA THANK THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR AN ONGOING EFFORT FOR DECADES TO REVITALIZE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IN 2020, I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, AND, UM, AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS NO WATER SERVICE, NO SEWER SERVICE, AND, UH, CAMP WISDOM WAS, UH, SOMETHING OF A NIGHTMARE.
UH, BUT THAT WAS, THERE WERE PLANNED CHANGES FOR THAT IN 2021.
WATER AND SEWER WERE ADDED TO THIS, TO THIS MESQUITE HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION IN 2000 AND, UH, 24.
NOW, MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS ARE ONGOING, UH, ON, UH, CAMP WISDOM ROAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS DOING THESE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE, UH, UH, ADDED LEFT TURN LANES, UH, NEW CONCRETE, UH, UH, THROUGH LANES, UH, MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, UH, INTERSECTION AT CAMP WISDOM AND, UH, 1382.
AND, UH, AND IT, IT IS, IT'S A DRAMATIC CHANGE TO THAT THOROUGHFARE RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC LONG CAMP WISDOM.
BUT, UH, UM, AND I, AND IN OUR MEETINGS AND IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING DONE THERE.
AND, UH, AND THE IMPACT THAT THAT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE TRAFFIC.
IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE IDEAL, FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC ON CAMP WISDOM.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC ON 1382, BUT THE, THE PERFORMANCE OF THAT INTERSECTION AT 1382 AND CAMP WISDOM IS GONNA BE DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, CONCERNS FROM THE ADJACENT IMPUNITY THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ADDRESSED.
UH, I'D LIKE TO SIMPLY THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR HIS, UH, SERIOUS INVOLVEMENT IN THIS DEAL AND HIS, UH, HIS CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMUNITY AND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE CAMP WISDOM.
AND, UH, THANK LORI BLAIR FOR, UH, SAVING MY LIFE IN, IN 2022 AT A PUBLIC MEETING.
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HEY, HOW YOU DOING? I'M NOT GOOD AT PUPPET SPEECHES.
I'VE BEEN THE BOARD PRESIDENT, UH, FOR TWO YEARS NOW.
UH, LIKE I SAID, I WAS 24 YEARS OLD WHEN I FIRST MOVED OVER THERE.
UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M AT 5 6 4 9 HUNTS BEND LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 9.
UH, SO WHEN I FIRST MOVED OVER THERE, I WAS 24 YEARS OLD.
UH, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WAS A KID.
UH, IT WAS JUST BASICALLY THIS FIELD.
UM, SO I SEEN A LOT OVER IN THAT AREA, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ALL HAVE MY BLESSING FOR IT.
UM, I DO SEE A POSITIVE CHANGE IN THIS WITH THE BIKE TRAILS, UH, STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, THE HIGH CONTROLS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, SO MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS CALL ME ICE CUBE.
MY WIFE SAID DOESN'T LIKE ICE CUBE.
I DON'T LIKE ICE CUBE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M HERE.
I'M NOT A GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER, BUT, UH, BUT THEY HAVE MY BLESSING ON THIS.
UH, SO I HOPE YOU GUYS DO APPROVE IT.
UH, 'CAUSE I MEAN, UH, WE, WE NEED IT.
I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL HELP BRING MORE TOURISTS, YOU KNOW, TO THE AREA AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY, WE HAVE OUR SPEAKERS IN, UH, IN, IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE.
HI, ELLEN TAFT, 79 24 GLEN WAY DRIVE.
I LIVE A HALF A MILE FROM PD 1 0 1.
IT WAS FULL OF HOMES, HAD TWO BARS, HAD A CHURCH, AND IT HAD A GAS STATION WHOSE GAS PUMPS ARE STILL, OR GAS TANKS ARE STILL UNDER THE GROUND AND WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED.
BUT A MAN WHO WAS BORN ON THIS FAMILY LAW IN PD 1 0 1 STILL LIVES HERE WITH HIS FAMILY AND ARE HAPPILY BUILDING A NEW HOME RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR MACHINE SHOP.
IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES, DALLAS WANTED TO ANNEX MESQUITE HEIGHTS, AND DALLAS PROMISED ALL THE HOMEOWNERS WATER AND SEWER SEWER SERVICE IF THEY ALLOWED ANNEXATION.
BUT DALLAS DIDN'T GIVE THEM UTILITIES UNTIL 2023.
IT TOOK DALLAS 46 YEARS TO PUT IN SEWER AND WATER IN PD 1 0 1 BECAUSE IT HAD NO CITY SERVICES, IT BECAME A DUMPING GROUND.
HOMEOWNERS SLOWLY MOVED AWAY BECAUSE THEY WANTED HOUSES WITH CITY SERVICES.
THERE ARE 137 REMAINING SINGLE FAMILY LOTS IN PD 1 0 1 OUTSIDE OF THEIR REQUEST THAT NOW HAVE CITY SERVICES AND OUR PRIME TO PROVIDE HOME OWNERSHIP FOR THOSE WHO WANT IT.
THIS DEVELOPMENT CALLS THEIR PRICE 186 TOWN HOMES, BUT THEY'RE REALLY TINY HOMES.
THEY'VE ANNOUNCED AT OUR MEETING, 600 SQUARE FEET FOR A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT.
NO ATTACHED GARAGES, NO DRIVEWAYS, NO PARKING IN FRONT OF YOUR HOME.
THEY ONLY PROVIDE ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EACH ONE BEDROOM UNIT, BUT UP TO THREE PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN A ONE BEDROOM.
WHERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE GOING TO PARK? YOUR PARTNER, YOUR RENTER, YOUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT.
THIS ZONING CASE ASKS FOR YOU TO LET A RENTAL COMMUNITY BE BUILT INSIDE PD 1 0 1 IN A MILE AND A HALF FROM THIS LOCATION.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 2,261 RENTAL UNITS LAST YEAR.
ON THIS MILE AND A HALF, WE GOT 558 MORE RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE OPEN AND FILLING.
WE ALSO GOT 324 LOW INCOME, ALL LOW INCOME RENTALS, A HALF A MILE FROM THIS INTERSECTION.
WE ALSO HAVE 234 RENTAL UNITS BEING BUILT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSAL.
THERE'S ANOTHER 592 MORE RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE IN THIS MILE AND A HALF THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
WE NEED HOME OWNERSHIP SO THAT WE AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CAN QUALIFY FOR A GROCERY STORE.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO DRIVE 10 MILES TO SHOP.
IF YOU ALLOW THIS ZONING CHANGE, THIS DEVELOPER WILL PLEASE THANK YOU.
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YOUR TIME IS UP.SO THERE ARE TWO HOMES WITHIN THIS PRO THAT ARE NOT OWNED.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US THIS EVENING.
YOU HAVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL, SIR, PER OUR RULES.
FIRST OF ALL, REMEMBER THIS AREA'S OWN SHOPPING CENTER ZONING.
NUMBER ONE, WE'RE DOING, WE ARE DOING SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RENTAL PROPERTIES.
THIS IS NOT A, UH, MINIMUM ONE BEDROOM.
IT'S 200 600 FEET, TWO BEDROOM IS 900 SQUARE FEET, THREE BEDROOM IS 300 SQUARE FEET, UH, EXCUSE ME, 1200 SQUARE FEET.
I'M GONNA LET MR. HOPE ADDRESS THE PARKING THAT WE'RE PROVIDING.
UH, WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT FROM HUNTER'S BEND.
YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT THAT REPRESENTED OVER 300 SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS AND HUNTER'S BEND THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
YOU ADDRESS THE PARKING SURE TO MINUTE THE PARKING IS DEFINED IN, IN THE, UH, UM, AMENDMENT.
UH, WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER PARKED FROM THE, UM, FROM THE REQUIRED PARKING IN THE AMENDMENT.
WE CURRENTLY SHOW 300 PARKING SPACES FOR 180 UNITS.
IF YOU DO THE FORMULA OF ONE BED, ONE CAR FOR A ONE BEDROOM, TWO CARS, UH, UH, A CAR AND A HALF FOR A TWO BEDROOM, TWO CARS FOR A THREE BEDROOM UNIT THAT COMES TO LIKE 240 CARS.
AND, AND THAT'S DRIVEN BY THE REALITY OF WHAT WE NEED.
OKAY? IN ORDER TO LEASE THIS THING OUT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE PARKING FOR OUR TENANTS.
THIS IS NOT A, UM, UH, THIS IS AN UPSCALE COMMUNITY THAT'S SECURE.
NICE FINISHES, AND, UH, UM, AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF PARKING.
AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A REC CENTER.
WE GOT, WE GOT, UH, UH, MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING AS REQUIRED BY THE PROPOSED PD.
COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, ONE IS 300 PARKING SPACES ARE WE MAKING.
SO ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE SAID, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE TO CLEAR THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE STREET BECAUSE WE KNOW EVEN THOUGH THAT IT'S THE REQUIREMENTS, WE KNOW THAT EVEN IN A ONE BEDROOM, THERE'S TWO PEOPLE.
USUALLY, IF THIS IS NOT IN A BUS, I MEAN IN A TRANSIT AREA, THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE CAR AT LEAST TWO.
WE GO TO COUNTING TWO PARKING SPACES FROM A HOUSEHOLD OF, EVEN IN A ONE BEDROOM.
AND SO IF IT WAS IN PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT, IT'D BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT THIS IS NOT IN PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT.
THAT'S ONE, UM, JUMP THAT, UH, YOU READY FOR ME? UM, THE, THE REQUIREMENT FROM WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS, THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT FROM, UM, UH, STAFF WAS ONE AND A QUARTER PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
AND WE HAVE, UM, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT.
AND MORE CONVENTIONAL FORMULA FOR THAT IS ONE CAR FOR, UM, A ONE BEDROOM, ONE AND A HALF CARS FOR A TWO BEDROOM AND TWO CARS FOR A THREE BEDROOM UNIT.
UH, AND THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR GUESTS.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO, UH, EXPRESS IS THAT WE'RE WELL OVER THAT FOR OUR, FOR OUR PARKING THAT WE SHOW ON THIS PLAN.
WHAT? THERE'S NO STREET PARKING.
THIS IS ALL ENCLOSED IN PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THE SECOND ONE IS, UM, AND BEFORE YOU ANSWER THIS ONE, WE GONNA TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NURSES, TEACHERS, OUR FIREMEN AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS, AND THEN THOSE WHO WORK.
HOW MANY UNITS ARE YOU, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A RENTAL COMMUNITY, IS THERE GOING TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHATEVER'S RANGE, IS IT GONNA HAVE ANY, OF ANY TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YES.
THE STAFF HAS ASKED US TO, TO, UH, UM, INCLUDE 5%.
SO IF WE'VE GOT, UH, A HUNDRED, UH, 80 UNITS, THAT'S, UH, NINE UNITS THAT WILL BE, UH, THEY'LL QUALIFY FOR THE, UH, MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
AND THAT WOULD BE OVER THE, THE ONE AND THE TWO AND THREE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIMITED TO JUST ONE SECTION.
SO IT'LL BE OVER THE, SO YOU'RE OFFERING ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOMS, AND THREE BEDROOMS, AND THAT NOT SAY THAT NINE UNITS WOULD BE OVER THOSE THREE DIFFERENT YES.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT WILL BE, BUT WE'LL COMPLY WITH THE, WITH THE REQUIREMENT THERE.
SO I DON'T, NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE OR EVENLY DISPERSED AMONG UNIT TYPES.
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THANK YOU.ARE THERE ANY EXISTING HOMES ON THIS LAND RIGHT NOW? NO.
SO YOU, YOU'RE NOT, IT'S VACANT LAND YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT TEARING DOWN HOMES TO, TO BUILD, TO BUILD THESE? NO.
JUST COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT EARLIER, UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT FLOODING.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT A FLOODPLAIN.
CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? YES, I CAN.
IN FACT, I MAP THE, UH, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
LEMME JUST REFER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOCKET, PAGE 10 DASH 20, EXCUSE ME, WRONG, ONE 10 DASH 19 SHOWS WHERE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN LINE IS.
THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
BUT, BUT LET'S BE CLEAR THE SPEAKING OF THE MICROPHONE, SIR, PLEASE, I'M SORRY.
THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, HAS A, UH, STRONG, UH, UH, FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE, WE DO A SIGNIFICANT FLOOD STUDY ON THIS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RUN A HEC TWO PROGRAM ON THAT CREEK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEFINE THE ELEVATION OF THE WATER IN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THAT CREEK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE HOMES ARE ELEVATED AT LEAST TWO FEET, NOT JUST ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO BE TWO FEET ABOVE THE ELEVATION OF ANY WATER THAT'S DEFINED IN THAT PROGRAM.
SO, AND DAVID, UH, FAN IS GONNA MAKE SURE WE DO IT.
THE, UH, ARE YOU ACTUALLY GOING TO GOING TO BE THE BUILDER OR YOU, YOU OWN? YES.
DO YOU HAVE A, UH, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER, UH, UH, UH, PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, NEARBY? UM, COMMISSIONER FORSIGHTS, OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE ARE NOT NOTICED AND NOT, NOT PERMITTED TO BE DISCUSSED.
I MEAN, I CAN'T ASK IF HE'S DEVELOPED OTHER, UH, WORK OTHER THINGS IN CITY DALLAS.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CANNOT, YOU HAVE TO STICK TO THE LAND USE, NOT THE OPERATOR THAT IS BEFORE THE BODY.
I'D BE GLAD TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF.
COULD YOU TELL YOU, COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF? THANK YOU.
I'VE BEEN IN, UM, UM, I'M A GRADUATE CIVIL ENGINEER AND I'VE BEEN IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT.
IT'S STILL JUST GOING TO, HIS BACKGROUND IS GOING TO THE OPERATOR AND NOT THE LAND USE.
UH, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, ANY TYPE OF AMENITIES THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT? AND YES.
AND ALSO, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION TOO THAT THESE UNITS, ARE THEY GONNA BE BRICK OR CLA YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY.
THESE WILL BE, THESE WILL BE, UH, SITE BUILT, UH, CONCRETE FOUNDATION HOMES.
UH, MOST LIKELY THEY WILL BE, UH, CAST IN PLACE, POST TENSION, UH, HOMES.
MOST HOUSES IN THIS AREA ARE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, SHIFTING SOILS.
AND SO THE POST TENSION HOUSE IS PROBABLY THE BEST.
UM, AND THEN, UM, UH, THE EXTERIOR WILL BE A COMBINATION OF, UH, HARD SURFACE LIKE BRICK, UM, AND, AND STUCCO AND SIDING.
AND WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVEN'T FINISHED THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ON THAT, BUT ANY SORT OF SIDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE WOULD BE A CEMENTITIOUS, UH, HARDY BOARD TYPE SIDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE.
STUCCO WILL BE HARD COAT SO THAT IT'S RESISTED TO THE HAIL AND THE, UH, THE BRICK WILL PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, TRIM IN AND AROUND THE ENTRANCES.
OH, YES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A POOL.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PLAYGROUND AT THE POOL AREA, AND THAT WILL HAVE A, PROBABLY A COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM, UH, BUT OUR BIG AMENITY GUYS IS, IS THE WALKING TRAILS ALONG THIS, UH, CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP THAT INTO THE PRIMARY AMENITY FOR THIS THING.
'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY A, A REALLY NICE NATURAL AREA.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO IMPROVE THIS CREEK SO THAT WE IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE QUALITY OF THE CREEK AND SO THAT IT EXPEDITES THE WATER.
BUT, UH, ALLOW, TRY TO LEAVE ALL THESE BIG TREES AND STUFF ALONG THE CREEK.
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WALKING TRAIL, WHICH, WHICH EVERYBODY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE IT AT AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, ACCESS, BUT STILL BE GATED OFF FROM, FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC.SO THESE, THESE WALKING TRAILS ARE NOT GONNA BE OPEN TO GENERAL PUBLIC, AND WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE LIGHTING FOR THAT.
AND, UH, AND, UH, AND TO MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY DIFFERENT.
THAT'S THE THING THAT WE FEEL LIKE SEPARATES US FROM THE PROJECT.
A VERY, VERY SIMILAR PROJECT THAT'S GONE ON IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
THEIR BIG AMENITY IS JUST THE POOL.
AND IT SEEMS THAT THEY SCRAPED EVERY BLADE OF GRASS AND EVERY BUSH OFF OF IT, AND JUST BUILT A POOL AND DID THE BARE MINIMUM ON THE LANDSCAPING.
BUT, UH, IT'S STILL A VERY NICE PROJECT.
BUT, UH, OURS, I, I THINK OUR PROJECT, UH, HAS THIS ADDED AMENITY THAT, THAT MAKES, THAT PUTS IT IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY.
DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOWUP COMMISSIONER? PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE, THAT NOW BECOMES PART OF THE RECORD, SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT DOCUMENT THERE.
COMMISSIONERS OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.
UM, YES, IT, IT SLIPPED MY MIND.
UM, QUESTION ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY.
THERE'S A CUTOUT OF, UH, TWO CUTOUTS YOU, ARE YOU IN? WOULD I KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THOSE, BUT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THOSE LOT YES.
SPECIFIC TO YOUR, YOUR PROJECT? OKAY.
IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE A CUTOUT HERE THAT SAYS, NOT A PART.
THAT PROPERTY BELONGS TO DON SUMMONS.
HE LIVES BACK IN THE SUBDIVISION.
AND, UM, UM, JUST THIS WEEK I'VE MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH HIM TO, TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND IT'S NOT IN THIS, IT'S NOT IN THIS, UH, UH, ZONING REQUEST.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BUY THE PROPERTY TOMORROW.
SO, UH, BUT WE'VE MADE AN AGREEMENT TO, TO PURCHASE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT ELIZABETH HAD ELIZABETH SUMMONS HAD IS THAT SHE'S GETTING ZONED OUT AND THAT, UH, HER TAXES ARE GONNA GO CRAZY AND THAT SHE'S GONNA END UP WITH AN EMPTY SACK.
BUT, UH, WE'VE MADE A DEAL THIS WEEK TO MAKE SURE SHE DIDN'T HAVE AN EMPTY SACK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
THAT IS JUST FOR, THAT IS JUST FOR THE LOT HERE ON CAMP WISDOM.
THE OTHER ENTITY, THIS OTHER LITTLE PIECE OVER HERE, UM, IS, UM, UM, WAS THE WELL SITE, UH, IS A WELL SITE, BUT THE, THE WELL'S GONE.
AND, UM, UM, UM, THAT GUY, THE, THE, I CONTACTED HIM IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO AND HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT SELLING THE LAND.
UH, HE HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO, UM, UH, TURNOUT LANE.
UM, I THINK HE'S JUST HOLDING OUT, HOLDING OUT FOR, UH, BIGGER, BETTER OFFER.
SO I, AND WE DON'T NEED HIM TO DO THE PROJECT.
SO IT, THAT, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS RIGHT AT 40 FEET WIDE.
THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO WITH IT.
HIS RESTRICTION TO THE POND, TO THE CREEK WILL NOT BE RESTRICTED, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UH, NO, NO, NO.
HE'S GOT A, HIS, HIS PROPERTY LINE IS THE CENTER OF THE CREEK.
SO CAN I ASK YOU THIS, DO YOU ALL OWN THE CREEK ALSO? WELL, UH, OR DO, OR OR IS THAT WELL, ON THE REST OF THE, ON THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, WE OWN THAT LAND THAT GOES TO THE CENTER OF THE CREEK.
IT'S, IT'S A DRAINAGE FACILITY, BUT, UH, IT ABOUT 10 MONTHS OUT THE YEAR, IT, IT HAS WATER IN IT.
AND, AND THAT'S 10 MONTHS OUT YEAR.
IT IS, IT'S KIND OF AMENITY OF THE CREEK WITH THE TRAILS AROUND IT.
UM, MY CONCERN IS WE, WE GOT CHILDREN, UM, LOOKS LIKE, IS THAT A PLAYGROUND IN CLOSE, IN ONE OF THOSE SECTIONS? IS THAT A PLAYGROUND? YEAH, YEAH.
RIGHT OVER HERE IN THE CORNER.
WE'VE GOT A PLAYGROUND PLANNED OVER THERE.
AND SO, UM, WE KNOW KIDS ARE MISCHIEVOUS.
HOW, HOW WILL THEY BE PROTECTED FROM, IS THERE ANY GONNA BE ANY PROTECTION, LANDSCAPING, ANY SCREENING TO KEEP THEM FROM IN THAT CREEK? I, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE BUILDING CODES ARE GONNA REQUIRE THAT WE FENCE, THAT WE PUT SOME FENCING THERE TO KEEP KIDS FROM JUST RUNNING RIGHT OFF INTO THE CREEK FROM THE PLAYGROUND.
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WELL, JUST IN CASE THEY DON'T OR WHAT, WHAT, JUST IN CASE THEY DON'T.I JUST WANNA MAKE, I MEAN IT, WELL, QUITE NATURALLY IT'S A LIABILITY.
WE'RE JUST GONNA MAKE SURE THAT
BUT, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER, OTHER, UH, GUIDELINES AS WELL.
UM, I GUESS WE CAN'T ASK YOU ABOUT THAT LITTLE PART RIGHT NOW WITHOUT POSSIBLY A GREEN SPACE ABOUT WHAT NOW? POSSIBLY A GREEN SPACE FOR THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY.
WE CAN'T ASK YOU RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PART OF IT, BUT CONSIDERING THAT BEING ANOTHER GREEN SPACE, THE ONE YOU'RE ABOUT TO PURCHASE, I, I'M SORRY.
THE SUMMONS LOT, JUST WHAT ABOUT IT? YOUR FUTURE PLANS FOR THE SUMMONS LOT? NO, WE, WE, WE'LL INCORPORATE INTO THE PROJECT GREEN SPACE.
AND, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ADD SOME MORE OF THESE UNITS ON IT, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK FOR, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR ZONING ON THAT LOT.
AND SO THESE GREEN SPACES ARE GOING TO BE GREEN SPACES BECAUSE WE ALLOW THESE UNITS.
WE, WE KNOW THEY, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONCRETE, BUT WE DO SEE IT GREEN SPACES.
SO THESE ARE GONNA BE MORE GREEN SPACE THAN CONCRETE.
THERE, THERE'S A COVERAGE LIMIT ON THE PROPERTY OF 40%.
SO, WELL, THAT'S THE BUILDINGS.
BUT, UH, AND, AND OUR, OUR HOUSES, UH, COM COMPRISE LESS THAN 25% OF THE, OF THE LAND AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
CNM? COMMISSIONER HARVARD, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? AND IF I GET A SECOND, I'LL HAVE COMMENTS.
UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, INCLUDING THE CONDITIONAL CHANGES THAT WERE FORWARDED THIS WEEK.
MR. PEPPER? WAS THAT IN? YEAH.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, AND I'LL TAKE A MOMENT TO, TO READ WHAT I WRITTEN.
WROTE, UH, THE MESQUITE HEIGHT AREA IS VERY HISTORIC AND I THOUGHT IT NEEDED THIS ATTENTION.
UM, FIRST THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONERS FOR THE SECOND.
UM, THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE HERE.
THAT WORK HAS BEEN NEEDED FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
I SPOKE WITH THE EARLIEST INHABITANT OF THIS AREA, UH, THE 61 ACRES THAT TOTALLY ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE AREA HERE WAS ONCE CALLED MESQUITE HEIGHTS.
THE FORMER LAND OF A DAIRY FARMER DECIDED TO SELL LOTS TO PEOPLE THAT NO ONE WOULD THROUGH, WOULD THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
BLACK ENTREPRENEURS WHO WERE FARMERS IN WRECKED GEORGE OPERATORS WERE ONCE MAINSTAY IN THE CEDARS IN FREEMAN'S TOWNS AREAS.
THE CITY NOW SEE AS UPPER ECHELON PEOPLE WHO ARE THE CHILDREN OF SLAVES OF HILLSBOROUGH AND ROCKWALL FOUND A WAY OUT OF NO WAY TO MAKE MONEY ONLY THAT ONLY HAD ENOUGH TO OPERATE AND LIVE OFF THE LAND.
THERE WERE NO SIDEWALKS, ONLY DITCHES FOR DRAINAGE, NO SEWER OR WATER ONLY SEPTIC TANKS AND OUTHOUSES.
THE ONLY TIME THIS PLACE GOT ATTENTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY WAS WHEN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS HOMES WERE BEING APPROACHED ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE LOWEST AREA OF THE CITY.
PIG FARM, RAW SEWAGE AND WRECKING YARDS USES THAT WERE NEEDED BY THE CITY AND USED BY THE CITY AND COUNTY OFFICIALS AT THIS VERY LOCATION.
THESE CITIZENS ONLY WANTED SERVICES ARTICLES PUBLISHED BY DALLAS MORNING NEWS REPORTS SEVERAL SCREAMS FOR SERVICES.
COAL COMPLIANCE HELP WITH FIXING THEIR HOMES, WATER WELL, MAINTENANCE ACCESS TO MAINS ON CAMP WISDOM WA WASTEWATER AND SEWAGE.
AFTER MOUNTAIN CREEK IS BUILT, WE WILL GET IT TO YOU.
THEY SAID IT BECAME THE DUMPING GROUNDS FOR THE LAKE.
AFTER JOE POOL IS DONE, ALL WILL BE GOOD.
GUESS WHAT? THEY STOPPED AT THE NEW SUBDIVISION ACROSS THE STREET.
ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD NOTED AS SAYING IT KEEPS FLOODING AND WE CAN'T AFFORD THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THESE FILTHY PEOPLE OF N****R TOWN.
THIS PROPOSAL PUTS A SMALL FOOTPRINT, SINGLE FAMILY BUNGALOW STYLE HOMES THAT REMIND ME OF THE VISION THE RESIDENTS ONCE DREAMED OF.
THEY WORKED HARD TO CLEAN UP THEIR AREA, ONLY TO BE DUMPED ON BY CITY VEHICLES AND VAGRANT.
THEY WERE PROMISED, IF YOU ANNEX, WE WILL ALLOW YOU TO MAINTAIN YOUR USES AND BRING ALL THE SERVICES YOU NEED.
THE CULTURE OF THE ENTREPRENEURS OF THIS AREA SHOULD BE MAINTAINED AND BROUGHT TO UP TO A LIVABLE STANDARD WITHOUT BEING CODED, PRICED, OR FLOODED OUT IN THE COMMENTS OF THE ARTICLES, FLOOR FARMS AND OTHER AREAS WERE MENTIONED, AND MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WERE OFFERED MARKER PRICE FOR THEIR LOTS.
THE PROBLEM HERE WAS NO ONE WANTED RECORDS YARDS IN THEIR BACKYARDS, AND THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY IN
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THE WORLD THAT COULD BUY THEM OUT.THE KIDS OF THIS TOWN WERE BUSED FOR 20 YEARS TO DEL WORTH A THREE HOUR WALK TO AVOID INTEGRATION OR BUILDING A SCHOOL FOR BLACK CHILDREN.
DUNCANVILLE ONLY ALLOWED US IN AFTER PLESSY AND ONLY TO STOP DALLAS CHILDREN FROM BEING BUSED INTO DUNCANVILLE.
THESE STUDENTS STILL ARE IN DUNCANVILLE, ISD TODAY.
I MET ONE OF THE TWO YOUNG MEN THAT INTEGRATED DUNCANVILLE HIGH SCHOOL IN 1968.
HE OWNS THE LOT THAT'S BEING BOXED OUT AND OR IN CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER TO SELL.
HE WAS BORN THERE, NOT AT A HOSPITAL OR AT A CLINIC, BUT IN A HOME IN 1954 ON A PIG FARM.
HE WAS BORN ON THAT SITE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
LASTLY, THE NUCLEUS OF THIS TOWN WAS A LADY NAMED MAMA NORMA.
SHE HELPED FILL IN THE GAP OF MISSING SERVICES AND OFTEN BEGGED FOR HELP FROM THE COUNTY AND EVENTUALLY THE CITY.
I HOPE THIS DEVELOPMENT OR ANY SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT FIND A WAY TO COMMEMORATE THIS CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA AND SPECIFICALLY THEIR MATRIARCH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, YOU WENT THERE.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I NORMALLY DO IS GO AND FIND OUR HISTORY AND RECITE IT.
UM, IT'S NICE TO HEAR AND IT'S NICE TO KNOW, WHILE THERE MAY NOT BE HOMES FOR SALE, THEY ARE SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE.
THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING, UM, TO BETTER THE COMMUNITY THEY'RE BETTERING, UM, FROM.
AND 'CAUSE I SPOKE WITH MR. NAVARRO OFFLINE AND THEY ARE DOING SOME, SOME STREET, UM, CORRECTIONS AND SOME CORRECTIONS TO THE LIGHTS.
SO TO, TO SAY, I WILL GLADLY AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CLAIRE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
[11. 24-2224 An application for a Specific Use Permit for an electrical substation on property zoned an R-16(A) Single Family District, on the west side of Edgemere Road, between Lawnhaven Road and Royalton Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval for a five-year period, subject to a revised site plan and staff’s recommended conditions. Representative: Rob Myers Planner: LeQuan Clinton U/A From: May 2, 2024, June 6, 2024, and July 11, 2024. Council District: 11 Z234-142(LC)]
YEAH, I'LL JUST READ IT.Z 2 3 4 1 4 2 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF EDGEMERE ROAD BETWEEN LONG HAVEN ROAD AND TON DRIVE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
SETH SAMPSON, UH, ENCORE, SIGHTING SPECIALIST.
7 7 7 MAINE FORT WORTH, TEXAS.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAD A, UM, WE HAD A SLIDESHOW THAT WE WERE GONNA PULL UP.
YEAH, SO I'LL, UH, I'LL GO OVER THE NEED AGAIN FOR THIS JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS STATION.
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY THIS, THIS ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AT WHAT WE'RE CALLING OR SUB WOULD RESOLVE A, UM, A LOADING ISSUE ON THAT.
WE ARE PROJECTING IN, UM, 2025, SUMMER 2025 AT WHAT WE CALL BANDERA SUB.
UM, THERE'S NO MORE ADDITIONAL ROOM AT BANDERA SUB FOR ADDITIONAL TRANSFORMER.
IF WE WERE HAVE TO BRING IN A, UM, AN ALTERNATE TRANSFORMER OR ONE ON TRAILER.
THERE ISN'T ROOM TO FIT THAT IN.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THIS ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AT OR WOULD RESOLVE.
IT'S ALSO, YOU'LL SEE ON A SINGLE TRANSMISSION LINE AS FAR AS, UM, WHAT CONNECTS BAND AIR TO THE SYSTEM THAT TRANSMISSION LINE TERMINALS INTO OR SUB AND ONLY AT THAT LOCATION.
SO THAT'S, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE, AGAIN, AT THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN AGAIN, JUST TO APPROVE THE RELIABILITY, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN, IN DETAIL THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, BUT IMPROVE THE RELIABILITY AND THE LOAD CAPACITY IN THE, IN THE NORTH DALLAS REGION.
IF, AM I ABLE TO CONTROL THIS OR HERE WE HAVE A SITE PLAN.
UM, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE, UH, WE HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.
WE'VE WENT ON, WE'VE WENT ON TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL DIMENSIONS IN THE, UM, IN THE
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SWITCH, SWITCH HOUSE THAT WE ARE ADDING, UM, AS WELL AS WE'RE SHOWING THE REMOVABLE BALLARDS UP ALONG RICK'S CIRCLE.AND, UM, THE ADDITIONAL EIGHT FEET TO WIDEN THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS, UM, SLASH UH, ADDITIONAL ACCESS THAT WE ARE ADDING AT THIS TIME.
UM, WE'LL ALSO SEE WE'VE ADDED THE TREES THAT WE DO NEED TO REMOVE.
AND THEN THE, UM, TEXAS SILVER LEAF SHRUBS THAT WE ARE PUTTING BACK.
YOU'LL SEE THREE AT THE FRONT OF THE STATION, AS WELL AS THREE AT THE, UM, ENTRANCE WHERE WE MEET UP WITH RICK CIRCLE.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD, UM, FROM THE RESIDENTS, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE RESOLVING FOR US IS RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE ACCESSING THE SITE.
UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS, THE RESIDENTS THAT WE, THAT WE HAD MET WITH HAD, WERE, UM, THE TRAFFIC COMING PAST THE SCHOOL.
YOU CAN SEE, AND THIS, THIS WOULD RESOLVE FOR THAT, IS MOVING THE ACCESS OVER TO THE NORTHWEST SIDE.
IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVING TO JUMP A CURB HERE, THAT THAT ACCESS DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO OUR STATION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING DIFFICULT OR DIFFICULT TAKING, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLICATED EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT OVER A CURB, NOT THE BEST SCENARIO FOR US.
SO AGAIN, JUST GETTING AN ACCESS THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO JUMP A CURB ALL THE TIME, EVERY TIME WE HAVE TO, UM, VISIT THE SITE.
AND I'LL STICK AROUND FOR FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE MORE SLIDES TO SHOW YOU GUYS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DID YOU HAVE? HOW MANY, UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT THREE OR FOUR.
WE KIND OF GO INTO THE, THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT WE HAD HEARD LAST TIME, WHICH WERE, YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST VERY QUICKLY GO THROUGH THEM THAT WE CAN GET 'EM ON, ON THE RECORD AND WE CAN GO TO QUESTIONS.
SO THIS IS SHOWING THE ADDITIONAL ACCESS.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY AT RICK'S CIRCLE.
UM, THAT IS WHERE YOU'D SEE THE EIGHT FOOT EXPANSION TO THE 12 FEET, UM, THAT IS ALREADY CURRENTLY THERE.
AND SPEAKING TO THE RESIDENTS, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE, UM, THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL WITH THE FRIENDS OF NORTH HAVEN, UM, TRAIL.
ONE OF THE WAYS WE'RE DOING THAT IS BY EXPANDING THAT, THAT ACCESS.
THAT WAY WHEN WE DO HAVE TO BRING TRUCKS, EQUIPMENT, HEAVY EQUIPMENT DOWN THIS RIGHT OF WAY, WE'RE NOT TEARING UP THE NATURAL GRASSES AND THE, UM, THE AREAS THAT THEY HAVE THERE TODAY.
WE'D BE ABLE TO FIT A LARGE TRUCK ON THAT, OR, OR EQUIPMENT DOWN THAT TRAIL.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SHOWING THAT WE'VE CALLED OUT THE TUBE OR THE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS AND THE, AND THE ADDITIONAL, UM, EIGHT FEET ON THE ACCESS.
AND THEN THIS IS SHOWING THE AREA OF, YOU KNOW, WE ARE MAINTAINING THE TRAIL AS IT SPLITS AROUND THE STATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE TWO SIDES WHERE IT SPLITS AROUND THE, THE NORTH HAVEN TRAIL.
ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH CONSTRUCTION, IT'LL, IT'LL REMAIN AS IT LOOKS TODAY.
AND THEN THIS DEMONSTRATES THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED AND THE TREES THAT ARE REMAINING, THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED ARE FOUND IN THAT RED, UM, CIRCLE.
THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY WHERE EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO SIT AND WHERE OUR TWO ACCESSES WILL COME TO THE STATION.
THE NEED FOR THE TWO ACCESSES, BECAUSE WHEN WE BRING IN EQUIPMENT, THE TRAILERS, THE TRUCKS THAT WE USE, THEY HAVE TO SWING THROUGH AND COME BACK OUT THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A STATION DESIGN STANDARD THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR SOME TIME NOW.
THE TREES THAT WILL BE REMAINING, WHICH WE'VE WENT OUT OF OUR WAY TO KEEP AS MANY AS POSSIBLE AND TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS, UM, UM, THOSE ARE ALONG THE OTHER THREE PORTIONS OF, OF THE SUB.
THE RESIDENTS FELT THAT THOSE WOULD DO THE BEST JOB OF, OF SCREENING.
WE AGREED WHERE, WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING A TEAR OUT FENCE AND TO BRING IN THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT.
THOSE TREES ARE INTERTWINED IN THE, IN THE FENCE THAT'S THERE TODAY.
AND THOSE AREN'T, THOSE AREN'T BEING TOUCHED.
COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER
UH, THANK YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU MR. SAMPSON FOR STICKING WITH US.
UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TOWARDS THE SPECIFICS OF THE SIZE DIMENSIONS OF THE SWITCH BOX? HOW BIG IS IT OF THE SIZE DIMENSIONS? I, I THINK WE HAVE IT ON THERE.
IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO READ.
I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT I THINK IT WAS 25 BY 50, ROUGHLY.
UM, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A PREFAB BUILDING COMES IN AND SITS ON A SLAB.
SO IN TERMS OF HEIGHT INCREASES TO THE SITE, UM, AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT, WILL THERE BE ANY INCREASE TO THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE SUBSTATION? THERE WON'T, THE, THE TALLEST EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE ON THIS LOCATION IS THERE TODAY.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WELL BELOW THAT WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS COMING IN.
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I BELIEVE WE GAVE IT ROUGHLY OR APPROXIMATELY 28 FEET.UM, SO THE, THE HEIGHT WILL NOT BE INCREASED FROM WHAT'S THERE TODAY.
THE TRANSMISSION FACILITIES THAT ARE THERE TODAY ARE THE TALLEST PORTION OF THIS, OF THIS PROJECT.
AND, AND THOSE THREE, UH, SILVER LEAF SHRUBS, THOSE ARE THERE TO SCREEN THE SWITCH BOX FROM THE VIEW OF THE TRAIL WHEN YOU'RE WALKING BY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, AND THOSE ARE LOCATED IN THE, THE AREAS THAT THE, THE TWO GATES ARE NOT.
SO YOU'LL FIND THOSE IN BETWEEN.
THEY, THEY CAN GROW PRETTY DENSE.
UM, THEY, WE FELT THEY DO A GOOD JOB OF SCREENING.
THEY ALSO MEET OUR HIKING AND BIKE TRAIL, UM, GUIDELINE AND AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT SPECIFIC SPECIES.
YEAH, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A PICTURE ON YOUR SLIDE, SO THAT SHOWS YEAH, THE VERY LAST SLIDE GOT A PICTURE OF IT, WHICH CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA SWITCH THAT, IT'LL SHOW THE COMMISSIONERS JUST HOW THAT'S GONNA SCREEN SWITCH BOX FROM THE VIEW OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WHY DID YOU INCLUDE THE, UH, TWO BOLLARDS ON RICK'S CIRCLE? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? SO THE BOLLARDS, UM, AFTER SPEAKING WITH YOU GUYS, THE COMMISSION AND LEARNING, YOU KNOW, OF THE CONCERNS TWO WEEKS AGO, UM, THE BOLLARDS ARE TO IDENTIFY THAT THIS IS, UM, A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL OR ACCESS FOR US ONLY.
IT'S NOT TO BE ENTERED OR ACCESSED BY, BY THE PUBLIC.
UM, ALONG WITH SIGNAGE, IT WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT THEY'RE ENTERING ENCORE PROPERTY AND THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANT ANY ADDITIONAL VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT OUR OWN USING THIS ACCESS.
SO THE ONLY ACCESS VEHICLES WISE WILL BE SERVICE VEHICLES IN THE TRAIL? THAT'S CORRECT.
ONCE, ONCE CONSTRUCTION IS OVER.
YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL F1 52 50.
AND, AND WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF CONSTRUCTION TIME FOR THIS PROJECT? UH, SO I'M, I'M FOR ME, UH, I'M NOT ON THAT SIDE, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE ROUGHLY THREE TO FOUR MONTHS IS TYPICAL, MAYBE FOUR TO FIVE.
BUT WITHIN THAT THREE TO FIVE MONTH PERIOD, THE, THE, UH, SUMMER OF 2025 IS WHAT WE ARE, UM, GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA START BEFORE THEN AND HAVE THAT COMPLETE BY THEN.
THAT'S OUR MAIN CONCERN IS THE SUMMER OF 25.
AND I, I SEE THAT THE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT ARE ON THE SIDES THAT ARE BORDERING THE HOMES THAT LOOK INTO THIS SUBSTATION.
IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD THE, THE AMOUNT OF SCREENING BE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS THERE NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE LEAVING? I MEAN, THERE'S NO HEIGHT INCREASE.
SO WILL THE, WHAT, WHAT ARE PEOPLE GONNA SEE? IS IT GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THOSE HOMES WHEN THEY LOOK OVER? SO IT, I, IT DEFINITELY DEPENDS ON IF YOU KNOW YOUR SITE ANGLE.
IF YOU'RE SITTING IN ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THE POOLS IN THE BACKYARD ON TOP OF YOUR FENCE, IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING UP.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SWITCH, THE SWITCH, UM, THE SWITCH STATION, WHAT WE HAVE THERE OR THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THEY CAN SEE THE TOP OF THE TRANSMISSION FACILITY NOW.
BUT THE, THE SWITCH BOX IN PARTICULAR, THAT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE, UM, FROM THE HOMES? WELL, I, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
I, I WOULDN'T SPECULATE ON THAT, BUT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO LEAVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO MITIGATE THAT CONCERN.
YOUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS THEY'RE 29 FEET WIDE BY 50 51 FEET LONG.
UM, THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING THIS HERE TO AN EXISTING SUBSTATION IS, IS IT TO, TO GUARANTEE POWER TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, UH, IN CASE OF, YOU KNOW, OVERLOADS OR, OR POWER OUTAGES, OTHER PLACES, THERE'S, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A, UH, ELECTRIC GENERATOR.
IT DOES NOT PRODUCE MORE ELECTRICITY.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS RELIABILITY SERVICE TIMES, UM, WITHOUT, WITHOUT A SPECIFIC EVENT TO COMMENT ON, I WOULDN'T SPECULATE.
BUT AS FAR AS IN INCREASING THE RELI RELIABILITY AND, UM, RESPONSE TIMES, ABSOLUTELY IT IS, IT IS A LOAD AND RELIABILITY ADDITION TO THE SYSTEM.
AND DOES, DOES THIS SERVE AS JUST THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND NORTH HAVEN TRAIL OR IS IT A MUCH, MUCH BROADER AREA? IT THAT, THAT'S, IT'S MUCH, IT'S A BROADER AREA.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, YOU KNOW, I SAID THAT NORTH DALLAS REGION, IT'S YOU, IT'S HARD TO DRAW A BOUNDARY AROUND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE GRID
BUT THAT'S THE NORTH DALLAS REGION IN GENERAL.
AND THAT THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, ABSOLUTELY.
THIS IS NOT THE ONLY SUBSTATION ALONG NORTH HAVEN TRAIL, IS IT? NO, IT'S NOT.
THERE'S HOW, HOW MANY ROUGHLY FIVE OR SOMETHING? I, I I THINK THAT NUMBER IS PRETTY ACCURATE.
IT'S, IT'S A LONG, NORTH, NORTH HAVEN TRAIL IS, IS, IS QUITE EXTENSIVE.
SO YEAH, I I KNOW AT LEAST THREE AND FIVE PROBABLY IS PROBABLY AS ACCURATE.
UH, COMMISSIONER, I STUCK AROUND, SIR.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
SO IN YOUR OPINION, THE INCLUSION OF THIS SWITCH BOX, I
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THINK YOU SAID IT WILL DECREASE, UH, SERVICE TIMES.WOULD THAT, IN YOUR OPINION, REDUCE OUTAGE TIMES THIS COMMUNITY WOULD SEE IN THE EVENT OF AN OUTAGE? YEAH, AND ABSOLUTELY THE, LIKE I MENTIONED THE RELIABILITY COMMISSIONER LER, I THINK THE RESPONSE TIME FOR ENCORE IS STARTING TO GET OFF TOPIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR OUR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER PLEA, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE A COMMENT AS WELL IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 42, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE, ADD A LANDSCAPE CONDITION TO READ AS FOLLOW AS A MINIMUM OF SIX SMALL TREES ARE REQUIRED.
CLEAR FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSE WRAP FOR YOUR SECOND FIVE YEAR SUP? HE DIDN'T, I THINK HE, DID HE SAY FIVE YEAR PERIOD? HE SAID APPLICANT? NO, HE SAID APPLICANT.
WAS IT FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD? YES, FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND
I JUST WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT, UH, STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY FOR ALL THE, UH, EXTENSIVE WORK AND THE WILLINGNESS TO GET THIS PROJECT RIGHT.
I MEAN, THIS NORTH HAVEN TRAIL IS A JEWEL FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S THE REASON WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CHOSEN TO MOVE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND I THINK ENCORE AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO ENSURE THAT AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT, THE CHARACTER OF THE TRAIL IS PRESERVED AND PEOPLE CAN STILL ENJOY THIS, UH, RESOURCE FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO MR. SAMPSON AND HIS WHOLE TEAM FOR ALL THE WORK AND THE, UH, PATIENCE IN REGARDS TO THIS PROCESS.
THANK YOU TO YOU AS WELL, COMMISSIONER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? NONE.
[12. 24-2225 An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District on property zoned an LO-1 Limited Office District, on the north line of East Northwest Highway, east of Lockhaven Drive. Staff Recommendation: Approval. Applicant: The Javelin Group, LLC Representative: Rob Baldwin, Baldwin Associates Planner: Martin Bate U/A From: July 11, 2024. Council District: 10 Z234-178(MB)]
NUMBER 12.MR. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, IS HE, OH, OKAY.
UH, THIS IS ITEM 12, CASE Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 78.
AN APPLICATION FOR TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT PROPERTY ZONE IN L OH ONE, LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY EAST OF BLOCKADE DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS PROVEN.
UH, COMMISSIONER, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? UH, YES I DO.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 1 78, UH, I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL SEPTEMBER THE 19TH IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO, UH, ADVERTISE FOR A PD AND HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHTS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RUBIN.
[13. 24-2226 An application for 1) a new subdistrict for WMU-12 Walkable Urban Mixed-Use District uses; 2) a Specific Use Permit for a restaurant with drive-in or drive-through service; and 3) the termination of deed restrictions [Z890-182] on property zoned Subdistrict F within Planned Development District No. 468, the Oak Cliff Gateway Special Purpose District, with deed restrictions [Z890-182] on a portion, on the west line of South I-35 Freeway, between East Eighth Street and Dale Street.]
13.THAT'S AN APPLICATION FOR ONE.
A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR WMU 12, WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT USES.
AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE, VENDOR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICE.
AND THREE, THE TERMINATION DEED RESTRICTIONS, Z 8 9 0 DASH 180 2 ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT F WITH IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 6 8, THE OAK CLIFF SPECIAL GATEWAY SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 8 9 0 180 2 ON A PORTION AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ONE DENIAL OF A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR WMU 12, WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT USE SYSTEM TWO, DENIAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVING OR DRIVE THROUGH USE SERVICE.
AND THREE, APPROVAL OF THE DETERMINATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
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FULL SCREEN.I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THIS SITE IS IN NEED OF SOME REDEVELOPMENT.
PD 4 68 IS A LARGE PD WITH OVER 800 ACRES AND OUR SITE IS ON THE EDGE WITH REGIONAL RETAIL ZONING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY.
THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY AN AUTO REPAIR GARAGE AND THERE HAD BEEN PEOPLE LIVING IN THE VACANT BUILDING.
MY CLIENT HAS SINCE DEMOED THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE PROPERTY IS SITUATED AGAINST AN EXPANSIVE FREEWAY.
THERE'S A STEEP GRADE CHANGE FROM DALE ACROSS THE SITE FROM DALE.
YOU HAVE TO WALK UP AT AN INCLINE TO GET TO EIGHTH STREET.
MOST PEOPLE THINK OF STARBUCKS AS ONE THING, BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT STYLES OF STARBUCKS, AN URBAN STYLE, A CAFE, AND THE MODEL WE'VE PROPOSED HERE, WHICH IS THE DRIVE-THROUGH STARBUCKS.
SINCE COVID RETAILERS HAVE SEEN A DEMAND IN THE MARKET FOR MORE DRIVE-THROUGH LOCATIONS, THIS IS A STANDARD PROTOTYPE EXECUTION FOR STARBUCKS.
FROM THE SIZE OF THE SITE TO THE DESIGN PD 4 68 ENVISIONS THAT DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE APPROPRIATE IN SOME LOCATIONS WITH S SO I'D SAY THIS IS THE EXACT TYPE OF LOCATION THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS USE.
IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE FREEWAY AND AT THE EDGE OF THE PD.
THE DRIVE THROUGH HERE WILL ATTRACT VISITORS TO THE AREA AND IT WILL ATTRACT OTHER REDEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
ALTHOUGH THE PD ENVISIONS THE USE MAY BE ALLOWED, THE BASE STANDARDS WOULD NOT ALLOW THE USE TO BE DEVELOPED AND OPERATE EFFECTIVELY, EVEN IF ANOTHER USE IS PROPOSED.
OUR DESIGN TEAM CAREFULLY STUDIED AND WENT THROUGH A DESIGN EXERCISE TRYING TO DESIGN UNDER THE BASE PD.
AND THE RESULT IS THAT THE SITE IS REALLY NOT DEVELOPABLE GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY SIZE AND FREEWAY ADJACENCY, EVEN IF YOU CONSIDER IT A PARKING REDUCTION.
ULTIMATELY THE DESIGN WE'RE ASKING FOR IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE USE FUNCTIONS WELL BY ACCOMMODATING ALL STACKING ON SITE AND PROVIDING ROOM FOR A BYPASS LANE.
MANY OF OUR CHANGES TO THE PD REQUIRE A HIGHER QUALITY PRODUCT, AND WE MEET THE INTENT OF THE PD WHERE WE CAN, GIVEN OUR SITE CONSTRAINTS.
WE'RE PROVIDING A PATIO AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, WE'RE PROVIDING A MURAL OPTION AND STARBUCKS IS LOOKING TO HIRE A LOCAL ARTIST FOR THAT.
WE'RE EXCEEDING REQUIRED OPEN SPACE, AND WE WORKED WITH STAFF ON DESIGN STANDARDS TO MAKE THE SITE FEEL SAFER AND IN INVITING, INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AT DRIVEWAYS AND LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS ON THE LANDSCAPING.
TO CLARIFY, WE ARE MEETING OR EXCEEDING MANY REQUIREMENTS IN ARTICLE 13 EXCEPT THE PLACEMENT OF SOME TREES, PLACEMENT OF THE PLANTING ZONE ON EIGHTH AND I 35.
AND WE'RE PROVIDING FOUR SMALL TREES INSTEAD OF TWO LARGE TREES ON EIGHTH STREET.
THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT TXDOT WILL NOT ALLOW PLANTING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE IT IS FROM EIGHTH STREET IS ACTUALLY PRETTY FAR BACK.
SO WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THE TREES AND PLANTINGS WHERE WE CAN WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE BOUNDARY.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO COMMENT AT THE BRIEFING.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE WALKUP WINDOW.
UH, WE SEE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME BENEFITS OF THAT.
WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE COULD BE SOME SAFETY.
YOUR TIME IS THAT CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO THAT CONSIDERATION.
HI, UH, WAYLON LONGINO, UH, 46 19 INSURANCE LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND FOR THE MAJORITY OF MY CAREER, I'VE BEEN AROUND STARBUCKS.
I'VE DEVELOPED OVER 200 OF THEM OVER A 20 YEAR TIME PERIOD.
AND, UM, THIS PARTICULAR SITE WE'VE BEEN IS A GIANT HOLE IN THE MARKET FOR STARBUCKS.
UM, THEY'VE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, BE HERE.
I PERSONALLY, FOR 10 YEARS HAVE, HAVE, UH, TRIED TO FIND A SITE THAT WAS SUITABLE FOR OUR PART FOR, FOR ALL THE PARTIES.
UM, AND, UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE, UH, THERE'S ONE DRIVE THROUGH SOUTH OF I 30 IN THE, IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, THE CLOSEST ACTUAL DRIVE THROUGH IS BAYLOR AT BAYLOR HOSPITAL ON GASTON AVENUE, WHICH IS OVER THREE MILES AWAY ACROSS THREE DIFFERENT HIGHWAYS.
UM, SO IT'S A HUGE HOLE IN THE MARKET.
UH, STARBUCKS IS A UNIQUE WITHIN ITSELF.
UM, THEY'RE NOT AFRAID TO PIONEER A CORNER, SO TO SPEAK, UH, TO KIND OF SPUR NEW GROWTH.
SO IT MAY NOT BE THE PRETTIEST INTERSECTION TODAY, BUT, UM, THEY'RE WILLING TO GO IN AND, UM, AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A NICER AMENITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, TYPICALLY THAT LEADS TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER GROWTH.
UM, OTHER RESTAURANTS, OTHER RETAILERS WANT TO COHABITATE.
IT KIND OF VALIDATES A TRADE AREA OR AN INTERSECTION.
UM, AS FOR THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UH, WE'VE GOT A LONG HISTORY HERE.
UM, IT'S TWO AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A FULL SET OF PLANS TO THE CITY.
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UM, WENT THROUGH SEVERAL ROUNDS OF COMMENTS, TRAFFIC STUDIES, ET CETERA.UH, WE FELT WE WERE DOWN TO THE LAST FEW COMMENTS.
WE WERE ABOUT TO BE ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND SO DUE TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE INHABITING THE BUILDING AND HAVING TO FORCE THEM OUT SEVERAL TIMES, WE WENT AHEAD AND DEMOED THE, THE FACILITY THAT WAS THERE, THE OLD AUTO, UH, AND REMEDIATED ALL THE CONTAMINATION.
UH, ONLY TO HAVE THE CITY CALL AND, AND TELL ME THAT ACTUALLY THEY WERE SORRY.
AND, UM, THEY SHOULDN'T ACCEPT OUR PLANS AND WE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THIS ZONING PROCESS 'CAUSE IT WASN'T ZONED 'CAUSE WE WERE ON THE EDGE.
UM, SO THAT WAS TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT HISTORY OF WHERE WE ARE.
WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT, THIS ISN'T SPECULATIVE.
WE'VE DEVELOPED A FULL SET OF PLANS AND SPENT LOTS OF TIME WITH STAFF AND CONSULTANTS, UM, AND HOPING TO, YOU KNOW, REMEDY AS MANY OF THE CONDITIONS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE DID REACH OUT TO COMMUNITY, WE WENT DOOR TO DOOR, UM, PUTTING, UH, A LETTER IN THE MAIL ALONG WITH THE, WITH THE NOTICE.
WE'VE GOT SEVEN RESPONSES THAT WERE IN FAVOR.
UH, SOME OF THOSE I DON'T THINK, UM, WERE EXACT.
THEY WERE JUST ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY.
UM, BUT, UM, EVERYTHING WAS POSITIVE FOR THE MOST PART.
UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING NEGATIVE.
CLAY CHRISTIE, 1903 CENTRAL DRIVE, BEDFORD, TEXAS, CLAYMORE ENGINEERING.
UM, AS MY COUNTERPARTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE'VE KIND OF BEEN WORKING ON THE DETAILS AND THE ENGINEERING OF THE SITE AND THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE BRIEFING THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS JUST TO KIND OF HELP EXPLAIN AND GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT HERE.
UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED WAS IN ORDER, THERE'S A COUPLE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD THERE ON THE INTERSTATE, UM, THAT WAS DESIRED TO GET CLEANED UP AND TAKE THE DRIVEWAYS OUT AND PUT SIDEWALK IN AND CURB THERE.
THAT IS A PART OF OUR PLANS, THAT'S PART OF OUR INTENTION.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN HERE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE LIMITS, KIND OF, OF THE PAVING.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THOSE DRIVEWAYS, UM, THAT ARE ALONG THERE.
UM, AND KIND OF STAYING ALONG THE SAME LINES OF THAT.
UM, AND THE TXDOT AND THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY PORTION OF THAT THERE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, PART OF THE PD REQUIREMENTS IS TO PUT THE STREET LANDSCAPING.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS MENTIONED IN KIND OF ONE OF THE PRIMARY ITEMS THERE.
UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'D WORKED THROUGH OUR PERMITTING, WE'D WORKED THROUGH PERMITTING WITH TXDOT.
WE'D WORKED WITH STAFF IN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEEDED OUR STREET TREES AND THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
UM, AND WORKING AND TALKING WITH TDOT, WITH THAT BEING THEIR RIGHT OF WAY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW US TO PLANT TREES, UM, ALONG THE CURB AND SEPARATE THAT OUT, UH, FROM THAT, JUST AS THEIR POLICY DUE TO THE ROOTS COMPROMISING WHAT THEY FEEL WILL COMPROMISE THEIR ROADWAYS.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS TO TRY TO COMPROMISE THAT AS WE TOOK THE PLANTINGS THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE PLANTED THERE.
AND WE MOVED THEM ON OUR SITE.
AND SO WHILE WE ARE ASKING FOR SOME VARIANCES THERE ON THE LANDSCAPING, WE'RE NOT SHORTING ON THE LANDSCAPING.
WE HAVE 29 TREES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED ON THE SITE.
UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE SMALLER VARIETIES AND SOME LARGER ONES WHERE WE CAN PUT THOSE IN.
THE SMALLER VARIETIES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE LOCATED TYPICALLY UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES AND THEN, UH, ALONG ALONG THE 35 CORRIDOR THAT WE HAVE THERE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MEET ALL THOSE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND HONOR THAT AND HONOR THE, THE INTENT OF THE PD OF HAVING A HIGHER LANDSCAPE CODE AND, AND MEETING THAT INTENT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD THERE WAS JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPABILITY OF THE SITE.
UM, AS MENTIONED BY MY COUNTERPART A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WE DID GO BACK THROUGH AND TRY TO SAY, OKAY, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS, HOW CAN WE GO THROUGH AND HOW CAN WE ADJUST THIS SITE TO MEET THE PD STIPULATIONS? UM, AND WHAT WE FOUND IS, IS THAT WITH ACCESS BEING LIMITED ON EIGHTH AND DELL, UM, PART OF THE PD I BELIEVE IS 70% OF THAT FRONTAGE HAS TO BE, UM, THE BUILDING HAS TO BE ALONG 70% OF THE FRONTAGE OF THAT ROAD.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE ALONG EIGHTH, IF YOU MEET THE INTENT OF THAT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS OFF OF EIGHTH.
AND THEN IF YOU PUT IT ON DALE AND THAT SIDE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE COMPROMISED BY THE GRAY DIFFERENCE OF WHAT WE HAVE.
IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BE AT THE ELEVATION OF EIGHTH STREET, YOU'RE ABOUT 13 FEET LOWER AT DALE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENT THAT THE BUILDING ALSO HAS THE FRONT ON DALE.
AND SO TRYING TO MANIPULATE THAT IN A WAY OF EXTENDING THAT OUT AND HAVING THE WIDTH, UM, YOU SIMPLY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE DRIVE AND THE PARKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN THAT WE LOOKED THROUGH THERE.
BUT WE DID GO THROUGH A COUPLE DIFFERENT EXTENSIVE OPTIONS TO SAY, HEY, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? WHAT CAN WE DO? AND, UH, IT JUST KIND OF TURNED OUT THAT REALLY FROM A FEASIBILITY STANDPOINT, THAT THAT WAS THANK YOU, SIR.
JOSEPH BEER ON UM, 14 5 7 6 TAMARISK FARMERS BRANCH.
UH, I'M A STARBUCKS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
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IN THE DALLAS MARKET FOR STARBUCKS AND WE ARE THRILLED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THIS TRADE AREA.WE BELIEVE THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH ONLY PROTOTYPE IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO SERVE CUSTOMERS ALONG THIS BUSY STRETCH OF I 35.
THIS STORE WILL FEATURE OUR NEWEST ENGINE THAT IS AIMED AT IMPROVING EFFICIENCY.
THE LANDLORD AND STARBUCKS WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER TO IMPLEMENT A SITE PLAN THAT WILL AID IN ALLOWING OUR STORE TO SERVICE CUSTOMERS QUICKLY.
WE ARE ALSO READY TO IMPLEMENT AN A MITIGATION PLAN SHOULD WE SEE ANY TYPE OF BACKUP IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
WE WILL ALSO BE WORKING WITH A LOCAL ARTIST ON A MURAL THAT WILL BE FEATURED PROMINENTLY ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S TRULY GOING TO MAKE THIS ONE OF A KIND.
AGAIN, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD VALUE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND BRING A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING ALONG THIS STRETCH OF I 35 IN DALLAS.
HI, I AM CHRISTIE LAMBETH, 63 0 1 GASTON AVENUE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 4.
THIS THE, DID IT GO? I THOUGHT IT WAS ON, WE HAD SOME TRAFFIC SLIDES.
DO YOU MIND HELPING US PULL THAT BACK UP? OH WAIT.
UNLESS WE ARE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
WE HAVE DONE STAR OBSERVATIONS AT STARBUCKS AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS, UM, INCLUDING THE OAK LAWN, ONE ON PRESTON, ONE ON THE L THORNTON, ERL THORNTON FREEWAY, THE 30 FRONTAGE ROAD.
AND OF OUR OBSERVATIONS, THE AVERAGE PEAK QUEUE WAS 12 VEHICLES.
THE HIGHEST PEAK QUEUE WE OBSERVED WAS 15 VEHICLES.
WE ALSO NOTICED THAT ON THE DRIVE THROUGH ONLY SITES, THE SMALLER STORES THAT WERE ONLY DRIVE THROUGH OUR TEAM OBSERVED THAT THEY WERE QUICK AT SERVING THEIR VEHICLES THERE PROBABLY 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO ATTEND TO THE CAFE CUSTOMERS AS WELL.
IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOUGH, IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A HIGH 15 VEHICLES, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TIME THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THE MORNING, THE PEAK QUEUES, THE 15 VEHICLE QUEUE IS ONLY THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
IT'S NOT THE MORNING ENTIRE MORNINGS DOESN'T HAVE 15 VEHICLES.
THIS SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE 16 VEHICLES ON SITE WITH THEIR PLANNED CIRCULATION.
MITIGATION PLANS CAN ACCOMMODATE 18 TO 27 VEHICLES.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM ON SITE FOR STACKING.
THIS IS THE INIT, THE PLAN, THE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THAT CAN FIT 16 VEHICLES.
THIS ALLOWS ENTRY ON DELL AND ON EIGHTH STREET.
IF CARS ENTER FROM THE NORTH AND THERE STARTS TO BE BACK UP ONTO DELL STREET, THEN WE CAN PUT CONES AT THAT ENTRY SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO CIRCULATE AROUND THE BUILDING AND ENTER FROM THE SOUTH.
THIS PLAN CAN ACCOMMODATE 18 VEHICLES ON SITE IF THEY START BACKING UP ONTO EIGHTH STREET, WHICH WE REALLY DO NOT EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN SINCE I'VE NOT SEEN THAT BEFORE.
NOT SAY IT NEVER EVER WILL BE, I DON'T, I DON'T EXPECT IT BASED ON OBSERVATIONS.
BUT IF IT DOES, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE 27 VEHICLES.
WE CAN DO THE LOOPTY LOOP AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING SO WE CAN CONE OFF SO THAT AS VEHICLES ARE ENTERING FROM EIGHT, THEY ALSO HAVE TO CIRCULATE AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
SO THAT GREEN OF DEVIL IS WHERE MORE CARS COULD STACK IF THEY HAD TO.
WE DON'T THINK IT'LL HAVE TO, BUT YOU COULD.
UM, I'M THINKING SINCE THAT WE'VE NOT OBSERVED THIS MANY VEHICLES, THAT THE CUSTOMERS WOULD NOT WANT TO WAIT THAT LONG FOR THEIR COFFEE ANYWAYS.
SO AGAIN, JUST SHOWING IF WE HAVE ROOM FOR 27 VEHICLES ON SITE, THAT'S THE PURPLE LINE IN THIS GRAPH, WHICH OUR CUES, PROJECTED CUES ARE NOT EXPECTED TO GET NEAR THIS HEIGHT.
THERE'S BEEN REFERENCE TO THE OAK LAWN SITE THAT THIS IS AN ARROW OF THE OAK LAWN LOCATION AND THE RED IS THEIR CIRCULATION.
IT'S A SINGLE LANE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE MITIGATION AT THIS SITE.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS SITE AND OURS.
ALSO, IF YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN ARROWS, THAT'S THE EXITING LANE THAT CROSSES THE ENTRY LANE.
THERE'S SOME CONGESTION THERE.
SO AGAIN, JUST HIGHLIGHTING THAT WE HAVE THAT EXTRA BYPASS LANE AT THIS LOCATION THAT THE OTHER ONES DO NOT HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? I THINK WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION, NOT ONLINE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? YES, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, ALL THAT.
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CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR SPECIFIC REASON FOR NOT HAVING, UM, ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS TO SIT AND ENJOY COFFEE? ANYBODY CAN ANSWER THATUM, WE DO HAVE THE PATIO, SO THAT IS AN OPTION.
WE ARE NOT FORECLOSING THAT THERE COULD BE A WINDOW WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO UP TO, UM, WE WERE THINKING WE WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO STARBUCKS DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY SEE ONCE THE SITE IS FUNCTIONING, IF THEY THINK THAT MADE SENSE OR NOT HAVING A WALKUP WINDOW.
UM, AT SOME SITES THEY'VE SEEN THAT IT CAN CREATE SAFETY ISSUES FOR EMPLOYEES, BUT IN THIS AREA MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A NICE OPTION.
SO WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE THAT UP TO THEM.
UM, IF THE COMMISSION FELT STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT THAT THOUGH, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO A CONDITION ON THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SORRY, I'M NOT A FAN OF WALK-UP WINDOWS EITHER, BUT MY QUESTION WAS WHY WASN'T THERE A CONSIDERATION FOR INSIDE SEATING? OH, I, I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
THEY REQUIRE A BIGGER SITE AREA FOR THAT.
UM, I'LL PROBABLY ASK WAYLON TO COME DOWN, BUT THEIR CURRENT REQUIREMENT TO HAVE, UM, ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE BIGGER STORES THAT HAVE INSIDE SEATING NOW IS OVER AN ACRE SITE.
AND THIS SITE IS ONLY HALF AN ACRE.
SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY FIT THAT MODEL AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH STACKING AND PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SIZE STORE HERE.
IS THAT A NEW RULE? BECAUSE I KNOW FOR SURE THERE'S SEVERAL SITES ON LESS THAN A HALF, HALF AN ACRE.
YES, THAT IS, THAT IS A NEWER RULE THAT THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
I'LL LET THE STARBUCKS REPRESENTATIVE SPEAK FOR HIS, UH, OPERATIONS.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A NEW RULE.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN AT STARBUCKS FOR THREE YEARS AND IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN.
WE LOOK FOR, LIKE AT A SITE LIKE THIS, I'D LOOK FOR A MINIMUM OF 25 PARKS, AT LEAST AN ACRE, A BYPASS LANE, AND AT LEAST 12 CARS IN THE STACK FOR, AND FOR A FULL STORE, WHICH IS GONNA BE ABOUT 2200 SQUARE FEET.
THIS SITE IS SIMPLY JUST NOT LARGE ENOUGH.
AND HOW MANY OF THESE SINGLE ONE DRIVE THROUGH ONLY ARE EXIST IN THE CITY TODAY? WE HAVE FOUR DRIVE THROUGH ONLYS IN DALLAS PROPER.
WHAT WORRIES ME IS TWO OF YOUR, THIS PROPERTY AND HALL STREET ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO, UM, LOWER INCOME AREAS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR DRIVE THROUGH ONLY.
NO, IT SIMPLY HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE THE SIZE OF THE SITE AND THEN TWO, YOU KNOW, BEING OFF OF A FREEWAY.
WE KNOW THAT OUR STORES, UM, EXPERIENCE WHAT WE CALL A LOT OF OUT THE WINDOW.
A LOT OF DRIVE THROUGH PRESSURE AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SERVICE THAT BETTER THROUGH THIS PROTOTYPE.
AND THE LAST QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THE RECENT OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S COME INTO THAT AREA? I AM UNAWARE OF ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS COMING TO THAT AREA.
I THINK THOUGH THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AWARE OF THE PARK THAT'S COMING AND I THINK THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT IN THE BRIEFING AND WE DID LOOK AT THAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF AWAY.
SO, UM, I'M SORRY, HALF A MILE AWAY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WILL BE NICE TO HAVE THAT PEDESTRIAN AREA OVER THERE AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, SOMEONE SPOKE TO THAT PRIOR TO TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING.
WHO, WHO WOULD, WHO DID, WHO SPOKE TO THAT? YEAH.
BEFORE TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING, DID THEY TELL YOU YOU WERE GONNA LOSE SOME RIGHTS? 'CAUSE OFTENTIMES DEVELOPMENTS DON'T, DON'T, UM, SERVICES DON'T MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY DOWN A BUILDING.
OR WERE YOU NO, THEY WEREN'T COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
I DON'T THINK, UH, EXPLAINING NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS TO AN APPLICANT IS REALLY RELEVANT TO, IT'S NOT NONCONFORMING.
I'M, I'M GOING SOMEWHERE WITH THAT 'CAUSE I'VE EXPLAINED IT MORE THAN ONCE HERE.
SO WHEN, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR TEARING THE BUILDING DOWN.
WHEN, WHEN YOU TURN THE BUILDING DOWN, WERE YOU GONNA PUT A STARBUCKS SERVICE, WHICH WE'RE GOING DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE.
WE WERE AFRAID WE WERE GONNA FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S DECEASED IN THE BUILDING.
'CAUSE THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THERE USING NARCOTICS.
WERE YOU ORIGINALLY UP WHEN THERE WERE BREAKING INTO THE BUILDING? WELL, YOU ORIGINALLY, SO WE CALLED THE POLICE A COUPLE OF TIMES TO GET 'EM OUT AND, AND THEN WE, WE ALSO THOUGHT WE WERE STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON A NEW STARBUCKS WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
UM, BECAUSE WE WERE THROUGH, LIKE I SAID, FIVE ROUNDS OF COMMENTS THROUGH THE CITY.
THEY HAD ACCEPTED OUR PLANS, UM, BEFORE THEY CALLED AND BASICALLY PULLED THE RUG OUT AND SAID, SORRY.
SO YOU, SO YOU WERE ORIGINALLY, UM, GOING TO PUT A STARBUCKS WHERE YOU POSSIBLY WOULD'VE PUT IT IN IF YOU WOULD'VE KNEW THAT? UH, THAT YOU COULD PUT IT IN THE, IN THE OLDER BUILDING.
I, I MEAN THE OLDER BUILDING WAS A, WAS AN AUTOMOTIVE
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REPAIR SHOP.WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, PUMPS IN THE GROUND TO RAISE CARS UP AND YEAH, I I ASKED QUESTION DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
'CAUSE SOMETIME IT'S NOT SOLD TO YOU ALL TO KEEP THE BUILDING AND MAYBE REMODEL AND PUT THAT MODEL THERE AND THEN YOU ARE LEFT WITH THIS SITUATION WHEN YOU TURN THE BUILDING DOWN.
SHE, I'M NOT SURE WHICH TEAM MEMBER THIS IS BEST, UH, CAN BEST ANSWER THIS, BUT I, I WANT TO, UM, ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN, JUST MORE SPECIFICALLY.
LIKE IF WE'RE AT A WORST CASE SCENARIO OF STACKING AND WE'RE AT OUR 16TH CAR, WHO IDENTIFIES, HEY, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOTTA GO INTO PLAN B, WE'VE GOTTA GET CONES OUT THERE.
SO HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE TO SET UP? WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ON THE ONSITE, UM, EMPLOYEE TEAM? SURE.
UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AND MY CLIENT WILL PURCHASE THE CONES.
SO THEY'LL BE IN THE FIT STORE PHYSICALLY, SO THEY'LL HAVE THEM AND THE STARBUCKS GROUP HAS TALKED ABOUT IT.
THEY WILL HAVE EMPLOYEES OBSERVING AND AWARE.
SO IF THEY SEE AN ISSUE, THEY WILL SEND AN EMPLOYEE OUT THERE, THEY'LL PLACE THE CONES, THEY EXPECT IT'LL TAKE ABOUT 15 MINUTES.
IF THEY SEE THAT IT'S HAPPENING ON A CONSISTENT BASIS ANY OFTEN TIME, THEN MY CLIENT IS COMMITTED TO PUTTING IN SOME PERMANENT STAKES THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO EVEN SEND EMPLOYEES OUT THAT THE MITIGATION OPTION WOULD, UM, JUST BE FORCED AT THAT POINT.
AND I'LL, MS. HOFFMAN, IF YOU WANNA ANSWER THIS OR DEFER TO ONE OF YOUR OTHER, I HAD TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE I'M FAMILIAR WITH TWO OF YOUR OTHER, WHICH ARE PREDOMINANTLY DRIVE THROUGH MODELS.
UM, THE ONE ON GASTON AVENUE THAT PREVIOUSLY HAD AN, UM, INDOOR SEATING AREA, IT STILL HAS INDOOR PICKUP, BUT PREDOMINANTLY NOW IS DRIVE THROUGH, UM, THE ONE ON HALL STREET THAT WAS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
I'VE USED YOUR DRIVE THROUGH THERE.
UM, I IT SHOWS ACTUALLY ON YOUR WEBSITE OR AS ON THE STARBUCKS WEBSITE AS BEING A WALK-IN, I GUESS WHAT MY QUESTION IS IS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, PLANTING AREA BEYOND YOUR ACTUAL BUILDING FOOTPRINT THAT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO LEVERAGE FOR THAT TYPE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GRAB YOUR COFFEE.
MAYBE YOU'RE NOT THERE VERY LONG, BUT YOU WANTED TO SIT, YOU DRIVE WHATEVER THE CHOICE MAY BE.
I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT THERE WAS AN OPENNESS TO CONSIDERING A PICKUP WINDOW, BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PLANS THAT ARE COMING, WITH THE NEW IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UM, WITH THE BRIDGE ACROSS I 35, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A CHANGING OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A STRAIGHT VEHICULAR UM, ORIENTATION.
BUT COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO HOW, AND THIS AGAIN MAY BE FOR ONE OF THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS, HOW THAT GETS EVALUATED BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND CERTAINLY ON HALL STREET, IT IS A MUCH, MUCH SMALLER SITE OR CERTAINLY APPEARS TO BE WITH MUCH TIGHTER SITE CONSTRAINTS.
YEAH, I'LL PROBABLY DEFER TO THE STARBUCKS FOLKS TO ANSWER THAT DIRECTLY.
I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE OPEN TO, UM, ON THE PATIO PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SEATING OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE SITE THOUGH.
I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO THE, UM, THE HALL STREET SITE.
IT IS MUCH SA IT IS MUCH SMALLER.
UM, PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT GETS, IT WOULD PASS MUSTARD WITH TODAY'S STANDARDS OF STARBUCKS AND HOW THEY'VE EVOLVED IN THE DRIVE THROUGH SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND THEM IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE FIVE CAR STACKS ONLY WERE ORIGINALLY DOING THESE AND NOW THAT WOULDN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, UH, US WOULD BE LESS.
AND HALL STREET HAS A UNIQUE CONFIGURATION.
IT'S NOT KIND OF A RACETRACK CONFIGURATION THAT ALLOWS FOR TRAFFIC TO FLOW EASILY.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S A, IT DOESN'T NOT HAVE A BYPASS LANE TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC EITHER.
I GUESS AGAIN, ALL I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS FLEXIBILITY OF MAYBE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN FOR SOMEONE TO NOT SURE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE IT.
NOW THERE, THERE CAN BE A WALK UP WINDOW ADDED IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THE BOARD THINKS IS, IS A MUST, UM, AS A PA AND THERE'S A PATIO AREA ALSO IN THE FRONT OF THE STORE THAT'S ALREADY DESIGNED, UM, AS WELL.
SO MY SECOND QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
UM, I I KNOW THAT, UM, THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY, UM, THAT IS ACROSS 35 IS VERY ACTIVE, HAS BEEN VERY ENGAGED IN THE LONG RANGE PLANNING FOR THIS AREA.
I HEARD YOU MENTIONED YOUR IMMEDIATE, UM, NEIGHBORS WHO YOU'VE HAD OUTREACH TO.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO IF YOU'VE REACHED
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OUT BEYOND IMMEDIATE PROPERTY OWNERS? WE DID PRIMARILY, BUT IT WAS PRIMARILY ON THE WEST SIDE.UH, I THINK WE DID HAVE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE THAT WAS IN FAVOR ON THE CORNER ON THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF 35 AND EIGHTH STREET.
BUT WE REALLY TRIED TO FOCUS OUR ENERGY ON THE NOTICE AREA.
UM, AND THE, AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE IN THAT NOTICE AREA.
I THINK IT'S MOSTLY COMMERCIAL ON THE EAST SIDE.
WE DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T VENTURE OUT.
UM, IT WAS MORE SO THERE'S A TRIPLEX AND A, UH, ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY PLACE THAT'S BUT NOT COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS GENERALLY OR THE TEAM.
I MEAN WE ARE REALLY UNAWARE OF, OF, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND TEAM? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER TURNER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I DO HAVE A MOTION AND THEN SOME COMMENTS TO FOLLOW, UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 2 38, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE NEW SUBDISTRICT AND PD 4 68 SUBJECT TO A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE THE LANDSCAPING SECTION SECTION A IS TO READ AS FOLLOWS, A EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN THIS SUBSECTION, LANDSCAPING MUST BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE 10 B FOR RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE.
LANDSCAPING MUST BE PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON THE ATTACHED LANDSCAPING PLAN.
C PLANT MATERIALS MUST BE MAINTAINED IN A HEALTHY GROWING CONDITION.
AND, UM, WE DELETE THE SURFACE PARKING LANDSCAPING SECTION, SECTION NINE AND THE STREETS AND STREETSCAPES SECTION.
SECTION 10, APPROVE THE SUP SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN IN THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE, THE SUP EXPIRES IN 10 YEARS WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AND APPROVE THE TERMINATION OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CHERNO FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENT.
YES, SO THIS, UM, THIS, THIS WAS A TOUGH CASE FOR ME, UM, ESPECIALLY FROM MY INNER URBANIST.
UM, THIS MORNING, MR. UH, OR, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT SPOKE A LITTLE BIT, UM, IN GENERAL TERMS AROUND THE PD.
UM, AND I THINK I'LL PICK UP ON THE COMMENT ON HIS COMMENTS FROM THIS MORNING.
UH, I WAS, I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE CREATION OF THE PD.
I WORKED ON IT FOR FOUR YEARS AND, UH, IT WAS, UH, THE LARGEST AT THE TIME, THE LARGEST REZONING IN THE HISTORY OF DALLAS.
AND WE, WE PAINTED WITH A PRETTY FINE BRUSH, BUT NOT THE FINEST BRUSH.
AND I, UM, WE DIDN'T HONE DOWN INTO, UH, SITE SPECIFIC, UH, ZONING REQUESTS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK, MY BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS, UH, CASE HAS BEEN THAT WE HAVE A SITE THAT'S SIMPLY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH, UM, THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
WE'VE GOT THE ZONING THAT'S SAYING WALKABLE MIXED USE.
WE'VE GOT THE SITE THAT'S SAYING CAR CENTRIC ACCESS FRONT TO THE LARGEST HIGHWAY IN OUR CITY.
AND I THOUGHT THE APPLICANTS DID A NICE JOB TODAY EXPLAINING THE LIMITATIONS OF THE SITE.
WE'VE GOT A SMALLER SIZE SITE OF 25,000 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY.
AND WHEN YOU REALLY GO INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT EXERCISE AND START UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGES, IT, IT DEFINITELY BEGS THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT, IF IT'S NOT THIS, WHAT COULD IT BE? AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IT COULD, COULD BE.
AND WHEN YOU START, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT SPOKE TO THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE, UM, THE SIZE OF THE SITE.
UM, BUT JUST ADDING IN A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH JUST THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WHEN YOU, YOU WALK THE STREETS AROUND HERE, YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF ABANDONED HOUSES, ABANDONED BUILDINGS.
YOU HAVE, UH, SEVERAL VACANT LOTS.
YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF HOMELESS AND CRIME.
UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT WE HAD AN MVA MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS OF ITS LOWEST RATING.
AND WHEN I SEE THAT, AND I SEE THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LAST 10 YEARS, WHICH HAS BEEN A BOOM, REAL ESTATE MARKET RECORD, LOW INTEREST RATES, AND THEN THE PD THAT'S BEEN, UM, IN EXISTENCE FOR APPROXIMATELY NINE YEARS, AND THEN ONLY TO SEE THAT THAT'S TRANSLATED INTO THE LOWEST MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS WITH ALL OF THIS BLIGHT AROUND THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY TO HAVE TO LET THEM ENDURE THROUGH ANOTHER 10 YEARS OF THIS BLIGHT.
AND I, I, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE
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STARTING TO SEE SOME POSITIVE THINGS WITH THE, WITH DEVELOPMENT, UM, FARTHER AWAY FROM THE SITE.BUT I WOULD, I'D FEEL VERY DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THE CASE IF WE HAD A STABILIZED NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN WE WERE WAITING FOR DEVELOPMENT TO COME.
BUT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, I'M TALKING ABOUT AN IMMEDIATE ADJACENCY THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE.
AND TO ME, I LOOK AT THAT AS THE MARKET IN A SENSE, TALKING BACK TO THE ZONING SAYING, I'M NOT SO SURE THIS IS THE BEST FIT FOR WALKABLE MIX USE 12 UP AGAINST AN ACCESS ROAD.
I WOULD FEEL VERY DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS CASE IF THIS SITE WAS AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE BLOCK OR THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK.
TO ME IT WOULD BE, UM, A VERY CLEAR DENIAL.
BUT, UH, THESE, THESE LOTS THAT CAP THESE BLOCKS, THAT FRONT FRONT, THIS ACCESS ROAD PRESENT A WHOLE NOTHER, UM, BUNCH OF CHALLENGES THAT THE WALKABLE MIXED USE, UH, PD DOESN'T DO A GREAT JOB.
WE DON'T HAVE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX FOR THESE TYPES OF SITES.
AND, UM, SO THAT WAS REALLY SORT OF THE BASIS OF, OF, UM, MY, YOU KNOW, HOW I CAME TO, TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICANT.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, MR. PEPE DID A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THIS CASE.
THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN THERE THAT, THAT I THOUGHT WAS OFF BASIS.
I THOUGHT HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT, UM, WAS VERY RECEPTIVE TO INPUT FROM STAFF.
UH, EARLIER, EARLIER PLANS HAD MORE PARKING, LESS LANDSCAPING.
I APPRECIATED THE APPLICANT BEING RECEPTIVE TO TAKING TWO PARKING SPACES OUT AND ADDING MORE LANDSCAPING.
I THINK WE GOT TO A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT NEEDED SOME VERY SIMPLE REVISIONS.
THERE WAS TWO TREES THAT TRANSLATED INTO FOUR SMALLER TREES AND THAT WAS SIMPLY BY THE SITE CONSTRAINTS.
AND I, I BELIEVE TEXT DOTS REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO I FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DATA, UH, ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, I THINK I, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE STACKING.
I FEEL LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF IF THE DATA IS CORRECT AND I HAVE NO REASON TO THINK IT'S NOT, WE, WE WILL NOT NEED A MITIGATION PLAN.
BUT KNOWING THAT THERE'S A MITIGATION PLAN THAT COULD TAKE US UP TO 27 CARS, UM, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE WALKUP WINDOW, UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THERE BEING A WALKUP WINDOW, WINDOW FOR THE COMMUNITY HAVING GONE TO THE SITE, PARKED ACROSS THE HIGHWAY AND WALKED OVER.
I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY.
I KNOW WE HAVE SCHOOLS IN EITHER DIRECTION AND A WALKUP WINDOW WILL CERTAINLY BE GETTING TRAFFIC FROM, FROM THE SCHOOLS.
I WOULD BE OPEN TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF MY COLLEAGUES FELT, UM, STRONGLY ABOUT THAT.
UM, PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE THAT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF STARBUCKS AS THE SITE CONTINUES TO MATURE, IF STAR I, I KNOW STARBUCKS WILL SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MORE CUSTOMERS, AND IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT, IT SHOULD BE THERE AND THEY CAN EASILY, UM, CREATE A WINDOW, UH, THEN I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THEM.
BUT AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO FEEDBACK FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
UM, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR MORE REASONS THAN ONE, BUT MAJOR CONCERN IS 10TH STREET, UM, AND THEIR ORGANIZATION, UM, THEIR COMMITMENT TO MERGING THAT COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS ONCE A PART OF WHAT'S BEING BUILT NOW OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO I WON'T, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
NEITHER WOULD I SUPPORT A WALKUP WINDOW IN 10TH STREET BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF WALKUP WINDOWS AND SEGREGATION OF BLACK PEOPLE NOT ALLOWED INTO BUSINESSES.
UM, SO IF IT WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE, I WOULD SUPPORT A WALKUP, BUT I JUST WOULDN'T WANT KNOWING THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC, UM, UM, CITIZENS WHO KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE AREA.
I WOULDN'T PUT A WALKUP WINDOW THERE FOR THEM.
COMMISSIONER WETHER, UM, AGAIN, BASED OFF OF THE, I KNOW THERE IS A, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE, THE, UM, MOTION.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS A SITE AT, UM, THAT IS NOT LARGE AT, UM, HALL STREET, AND THIS IS LARGER.
UM, I WOULD CONSIDER SOME TYPE OF INDOOR COMING IN INSTEAD OF STANDING OUT.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A, UM, IT CAN BE TAKEOUT ONLY, UM,
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JUST FOR THOSE TIMES WHEN IT'S HEATED OR WHATEVER.I WOULD CONSIDER WITH THAT TO HAVE THAT OPTION, UM, INSTEAD OF JUST A WALK UP WINDOW TO HAVE THAT BEING, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY ALSO HAVE THE COVERING OUTSIDE TO HAVE AT LEAST WALK IN, UM, TAKE OUT ONLY, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE WALKING UP.
UM, I AM, I'M, I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT THAT SITE, THAT ONCE EVERYTHING IS BUILT AS FAR AS THE GATEWAY AND OTHER THINGS THAT'S COMING, UM, IN BETWEEN THE GATEWAY AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BOTTOM, THAT I'M OPTIMISTIC ABOUT WHAT'S COMING.
JUST THINK THAT IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF MODIFICATION.
UM, IF NOT, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT IS NOT THE CITY'S MODEL, IT'S STARBUCKS MODEL FOR THEM TO HAVE ONE ACRE TO HAVE A FULL RESTAURANT.
UM, BUT THAT MOD, IF THAT'S SOME KIND OF WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT, UM, A, UH, AS A AMENDMENT THAT THEY AT LEAST HAVE A, UM, TAKEOUT ONLY AREA, UM, IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
IS THAT AN AMENDMENT OR IS THAT A ASK, OR IS THAT NOT AMENDMENT? COULD YOU RESTATE IT? SO, UM, A I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE FREEWAY, UM, AND THE, AND DELL STREET EIGHT DELL STREET, THAT, THAT, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IF, BECAUSE THEIR PERSONAL MODEL IS THAT THEY WON'T PUT A FULL PULL FULL STARBUCKS BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN AN ACRE.
THAT THEY WOULD AT LEAST PUT A WALK-IN AREA DURING THE TIME OF BUYING COFFEE IN ADJACENT AND WITH THE COVERED PARKING THAT'S OUTSIDE.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE KIDS WALKING OVER, UM, OR WHOEVER WALKS UP.
UM, IF THAT'S AN AMENDMENT, IS THAT ACCEPTED? THAT WAS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
I I'M NOT GONNA ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
I MEAN, MY ORIGINAL OFFER KIND OF FOR I, BECAUSE I THINK IT, IT, WHAT IT TRIGGERS IS NOW YOU HAVE FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT YOU HAVE TO FLOOR AREA SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU HAVE TO PARK.
AND I THINK THERE COULD BE OTHER COMPLICATIONS THAT WOULD BE HARD FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT, BUT I THINK I WOULD BE OPEN TO WALK UP WINDOW, BUT NOT INTERIOR SPACE.
SO THE, TAKE THE TAKEOUT ON, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND MAYBE I'M TAKEOUT ON THE TAKEOUT ONLY RESTAURANT COOKED.
UM, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T TRIGGER THE SAME PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
IT DOESN'T TRIGGER THE SAME PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
IT SHOULD TRICK OR DOES IT? WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TAKEOUT RESTAURANT, BUT IF IT, THE USE AT THE END OF THE DAY IS A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT BECAUSE THEY HAVE, BECAUSE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH FACILITY.
SO THAT STILL HAS, IT'S THAT USE IS GONNA CONTROL AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE OVERRIDING USE AND IT'S GONNA DICTATE THE PARKING.
WE CAN MODIFY PARKING IF WE NEED TO.
SO THIS IS NOT, SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN EXTREMELY LARGE WALK, WALK, UM, TAKEOUT ONLY PART OF THE RESTAURANT, BUT ENOUGH.
'CAUSE AGAIN, STARBUCKS KIDS PROXIMITY TO TWO SCHOOLS, ENOUGH HOT DAY, RIGHT? JUST ENOUGH.
'CAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE COVERED PATIO OR WHATEVER, BUT JUST ENOUGH TO WALK IN ON A 1 0 3 DAY OR A RAINY DAY.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CREATE A NEW BUILDING TYPOLOGY.
I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T, I THINK WE ACHIEVE THE SAME THING BY HAVING A WALKUP WINDOW IN A, IN A REALLY NICE OUTDOOR AREA.
UM, ONCE YOU GET INTO A DA COMPLIANCE AND GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S, IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ANIMAL ONCE PEOPLE ARE ENTERING INTO THE BUILDING.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE CAN, I DO APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT AND THE INTENT, AND I THINK WE CAN CAPTURE THE MA THE, THE MAJORITY OF THAT INTENT BY JUST HAVING A WALK-UP WINDOW.
AND, AND THE, THE, ALSO, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT DID NOT ORIGINALLY HAVE AS A, UM, ROBUST OUTDOOR SPACE THAT CAME AT THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO IT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, IT'S, THEY'VE ALREADY ADDED QUITE A BIT, UM, WITH, WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING PEOPLE THERE ON SITE, YOU KNOW, USING THE PRODUCT AND CONSUMING THE PRODUCT OUTSIDE.
WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY ADDED WAS A CONCRETE JUNGLE
AND THIS IS JUST A MINOR ACCOMMODATION.
AND THIS SITE HAS ENOUGH QUEUING, BUT I DO DIGEST, UM, COMMISSIONER
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KINSTON, I'M GONNA CALL A QUESTION.UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO CALL THE QUESTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND THE OPPOSED NO ONE IN OPPOSITION.
UH, COMMISSIONER, SO THAT GOES BACK TO OUR MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK TO CLOSE UP PUBLIC A HEARING, NOT FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UH, PER THE, UH, UH, CHANGES AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER SHERLOCK CONCLUDE IN THE SUP FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THE OPPOSED? NO, NO, THAT'S, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS FOR IN OPPOSITION.
VOTE JUST TO, IF YOU NOT ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
LET'S DO A RECORD ROLL, PLEASE.
THIS IS A, A MOTION TO APPROVE DISTRICT ONE? YES.
WE'LL GO TO, UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON 14 AND, AND IT'S
UH, COULD I JUST THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR PATIENCE, UM, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO GET APPROVAL FOR A 992 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? UH, SHOULD GIVE ALL OF HIS PAUSE.
UM, NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M PROUD OF.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR PATIENCE WITH THE, WITH THE PROCESS AND, UH, WISH YOU THE BEST.
[14. 24-2227 An application for an amendment to Planned Development District No. 1017 on property bounded by Bickers Street, North Westmoreland Road, Gallagher Street, and Furey Street.]
14, PLEASE.ITEM 14 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 0 1 7 ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY BICKERS STREET, NORTHWEST MORELAND ROAD, GALLAGHER STREET AND FURY STREET.
UH, CASE NUMBER IS Z 2 34 1 22.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVISED AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN, A REVISED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND AMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT LIKES TO SPEAK? NO.
ARE ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? GEORGE, FOR THIS ITEM? JORGE, DO WE HAVE ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE FOR THIS ONE? 14.
HEY, COMMISSIONER, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 22? UH, MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND KEEP THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST THE EIGHTH.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSIONS BRIEFLY PLEASE.
AFTER TWO, UM, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT WERE NOT GOING TO BE VIABLE.
WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A MEETING YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AT THREE WITH DISD STAFF, WITH DISD, UH, THEIR TEAM AND WITH, UM, STAFF.
AND I THINK WE DO HAVE A SOLUTION, BUT WE NEED TIME TO, UH, TO ALLOW STAFF AND THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO EVALUATE IT.
SO I THINK WE'LL BE READY TO GO ON THE EIGHTH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THE RECORD WILL REFLECT THAT VICE REIN STEPPING BACK INTO THE CHAMBER AND WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 15.
OH 15 HAS ALREADY, THAT WAS THREE DAYS AGO.
[SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items]
US TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET CAN SEND AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF CASES, UM, 16TH THROUGH 21.THOSE WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION.
COMMISSIONERS ANY OF THOSE CASES COMING OFF 16 THROUGH 21.
OKAY, THEN LET'S GET THOSE READ INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
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TO 21.GOOD, GOOD EVENING, CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, AND AL, THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF SIX ITEMS. ITEM 16 S 2 3 4 DASH ONE 40, ITEM 17 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 41, ITEM 18 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 43.
ITEM 19 S 2 34 DASH 1 44, ITEM 20 S 2 34 DASH 1 46, ITEM 21 S 2 34 DASH 1 47.
ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR HEARING AT THIS TIME.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THESE, UH, CASES IN THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? SEEING NONE, VICE CHAIR? RUBEN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, IN THE MATTER OF THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT DOCKET, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
APPROVAL SUBJECT COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE DOCK OR AMENDED AT THE PODIUM.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS SEEN ON ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THE OPPOSED THE AYES HAVE, IT TAKES US
[22. 24-2235 An application to replat a 0.609-acre tract of land containing all of Lots 1 and 2 in City Block 5/6870 to create three lots ranging in size from 0.202 acre (8,799 square foot) to 0.204 acre (8,886 square foot) and to remove the 30-foot platted building line along the north line of Silver Hill Drive, on property located on Silver Hill Drive, east of Bonnie View Road.]
TO NUMBER 22.THE 0.609 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOTS ONE AND TWO IN CITY BLOCK FIVE OVER 6 8, 7 0 TO CREATE THREE LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 0.202 ACRE.
THAT IS 8,799 SQUARE FEET TO 0.204 ACRE.
AND TO REMOVE THE 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE NORTH LINE OF SILVER HILL DRIVE ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON SILVER HILL DRIVE EAST OF B VIEW ROAD 19 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 9TH, 2024.
WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION.
UM, THIS REQUEST WILL REQUIRE TWO MOTIONS BECAUSE IT IS TO RELA AND IT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE.
THE FIRST MOTIONS IS TO APPROVE OR DENY REMOVING AN EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE.
AND THE SECOND MOTION IS TO APPROVE OR DENY THE RELA STAFF RECOMMENDED ON BUILDING LINE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING STAFF RECOMMENDED SIGN ON REPL APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTION ON THIS ITEM? QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? MR. CHAIR? MAY I ASK, ASK A QUESTION, MSA PLEASE? OF COURSE.
UM, ON THE REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING LINE, THAT SET IS 30 FEET.
AND IN LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, IT APPEARS THAT MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED, ALIGNED, IF YOU WILL, WITH THEIR FRONT SETBACK.
IS THAT 30 FEET OR IS THAT SET AT THE, UM, MINIMUM SETBACK PER THE ZONING? ARE YOU AWARE? UH, THE, THE CERTIFIED COPY HAD 30 FEET FOR ONLY THOSE TWO LOTS, WHICH IS IN, UH, IN THIS REQUEST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE, UH, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR WITH THE, I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT SHE SAID.
WELL, ARE YOU SAYING WITH THE, UM, 30 FOOT PLATING PLATTED BUILDING LINE, ARE YOU, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO, UM, REMOVE THAT EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTING LINE? IT WAS IN A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE PLAID BEFORE AND ONLY THOSE TWO PROPERTIES HAD 30 FEET EXISTING BUILDING LINES ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS GOING TO BE REMOVED, BUT, UH, THE ZONING REQUIREMENT IS 20 FEET, WHICH THEY HAVE TO STILL FOLLOW.
IF I MAY, UM, IF THAT, UM, THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF I MAY, IT JUST MEANS THAT THE, THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO, UM, CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENT OF THE BASE ZONING, WHICH IS 20 FEET, AND THAT WILL BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE BLOCK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER C? NONE.
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UM, IN THE CASE OF S 2 3 4 1 42, I MOVED TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE EXISTING 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE NORTH LINE OF SEVERAL SILVER HILL DRIVE WITH THE FIND THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT REMOVAL OF THE PLANTED BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK.LINES LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATIONS BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTERESTS ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFF AFFECT, AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLA FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAM HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEE ON THOSE IN FAVORS, SAY AYE.
UH, ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.
UM, IN CASE NUMBER TWO S 2 3 4 1 4 2 A MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE REPL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LER FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND I'LL SECOND THE SECOND MOTION.
[23. 24-2236 Consideration of authorizing a public hearing to determine the proper zoning on property zoned Planned Development District (PD) No. 269 (Deep Ellum/Near East Side District), for an area generally bounded by the T. & P. Railroad right-of-way on the north, Parry Avenue on the east, R.L.Thornton Freeway on the south, and Central Expressway on the west. The area of request contains approximately 273.64 acres. Consideration is to be given to appropriate zoning for the area to include requiring a specific use permit for bar and restaurant uses, amending the requirements for bar and restaurant uses, and adding environmental performance regulations to address noise standards. The purpose of the authorized hearing is to address certain issues in the area including the public safety concerns relating to establishments that have certificates of occupancy for restaurant uses by right, but operate more like bar uses, especially late at night. Also establishing new noise regulations specifically tailored to the neighborhood to better reflect the character of Deep Ellum and enable the operation of the district's historic entertainment uses while also introducing clarity and consistency. This is a hearing to consider the request to authorize the hearing and not the rezoning of property at this time.]
THE LAST, UH, ITEM NUMBER 23.THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US.
UH, THIS IS THE CONSIDERATION OF AUTHORIZING A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE THE PROPER ZONING ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP LM NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT FOR AN AREA GENERALLY BOUNDED BY THE TNP RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY ON THE NORTH PERRY AVENUE ON THE EAST RL THORNTON FREEWAY ON THE SOUTH AND CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY ON THE WEST.
THE AREA OF REQUEST CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 273.64 ACRES.
CONSIDERATION IS TO BE GIVEN TO APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE AREA TO INCLUDE REQUIRING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR BAR AND RESTAURANT USES, AMENDING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BAR AND RESTAURANT USES, AND ADDING ENVIRONMENTAL PERFORMANCE REGULATIONS TO ADDRESS NOISE STANDARDS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING IS TO ADDRESS CERTAIN ISSUES IN THE AREA, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS RELATING TO ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR RESTAURANT USES BY RIGHT, BUT OPERATE MORE LIKE BAR USES, ESPECIALLY LATE AT NIGHT.
ALSO ESTABLISHING NEW NOISE REGULATIONS SPECIFICALLY TAILORED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BETTER REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF DEEP ELM AND ENABLE THE OPERATION OF THE DISTRICT'S HISTORIC ENTERTAINMENT USES WHILE ALSO INTRODUCING CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY.
THIS IS A HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE THE HEARING AND NOT THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME.
UH, DO WE HAVE ONE? WHAT? SHE'S ON LINE.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME'S STEPHANIE KELLER BERG.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE DEEP ELM FOUNDATION.
AND I WAS JUST NOTING TO JOANNA, I JUST APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU AND ALL THAT YOU DO AND THE LATE NIGHTS THAT YOU PULLED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADVANCING APPROPRIATE ZONING THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
THIS IS QUITE THE ENDEAVOR THAT YOU ALL DO FOR US, I KNOW ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
WE APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION CALLING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER NOYCE STANDARDS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE SUVS IN DEBELL.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY BEEN DRIVEN FROM OUR 2021 NOISE TASK FORCE REPORT, AS WELL AS OUR 2022 COMMUNITY SAFETY PLAN, UM, WHICH DID OFFER POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EVERYBODY FROM PROPERTY OWNERS TO BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, TO OUR OWN DEBELL SAFE PROGRAM.
AND SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE MOVE FORWARD MOVEMENT HERE.
THIS IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AS WELL AS OUR PARTNERS, BOTH THAT INFORMED OUR, OUR PLAN AND SOME NEW VOICES THAT MIGHT BE COMING IN AS YOU ALL CONSIDER THIS AND MOVE IT TO PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND I'M JUST HERE IF, IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS OR NEEDS ANYTHING FROM US, BUT APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION PLEASE? I DO.
AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING, UH, FOR DEEP LM PD 2 69, I MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE HEARING.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BLAKE FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK MS. BERG AND THE DEEP ALLEN FOUNDATION FOR THEIR CONTINUED ADV
[09:30:02]
ADVOCACY ON BEHALF OF ONE OF OUR CITY'S LANDMARK DISTRICTS.UM, AS I THINK MANY FOLKS KNOW, THEY WERE RECENTLY GRANTED, UM, CULTURAL DISTRICT DESIGN, CULTURAL DISTRICT DESIGNATION, WHICH IS JUST REALLY SIGNIFICANT AND SPEAKS TO THE ROLE THAT DEEP ELM HAS PLAYED IN OUR CITY'S HISTORY.
THEY'RE ADDING RESIDENTIAL USES.
I DON'T THINK I KNOW OF ANYONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE IN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS, BUT IT'S TRYING TO SPEAK TO, UM, COMPATIBILITY AS THE DISTRICT CONTINUES TO GROW AND THRIVE.
AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS, UM, AUTHORIZED HEARING AND HOPE EVERYONE WILL SUPPORT THE REQUEST.
YEAH, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE, THE REQUEST, BUT I JUST WANT TO OFFER A FEW WORDS OF, OF, OF CAUTION AS WE GO DOWN THIS PATH.
WE'VE SEEN THE, UM, GREENVILLE AVENUE LATE NIGHT SUVS, AND WHILE I HAVE, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATION FOR THE TOOL, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING THING TO HAVE TO ASK STAFF TO EVALUATE WHETHER A LAND YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 2:00 AM AND NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ULTIMATELY WANNA DO, BUT WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A VERY FRANK DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE OF CITY STAFF AND WHAT MAY BEST FALL ON THE COMMISSIONERS TO REALLY FIGURE OUT THESE THINGS.
UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, NOISE STANDARDS ARE GENERALLY A, A GOOD THING AND, AND WELCOME EXPLORING THAT.
I THINK THE QUESTION ULTIMATELY WILL, MAY COME DOWN TO WHETHER THEY NEED TO BE ENGRAFTED INTO ZONING OR WHETHER THEY SHOULD APPEAR ELSEWHERE BECAUSE IT'S STARTING TO GET, I THINK, SOMEWHAT OUTSIDE OF A TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, USE OF ZONING.
BUT I, I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A ROBUST DISCUSSION ON THIS AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GET IN IN A YEAR OR TWO, PROBABLY MAY, MAYBE SOONER.
COMMISSIONER WEAVER, UM, I DO HAVE A CAUSE CONCERN BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE DEEP EL FOUNDATION AS FORMALLY ON THE GREENVILLE WERE PART OF THE GREENVILLE FOUNDATION.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE GREENVILLE FOUNDATION IS THAT THOSE WERE, THEY HAD HO HOUSING GOING ON.
I MEAN, THEY HAD HOUSING SURROUNDING IT PRIOR TO IT BECOMING, UH, HAVING THE ISSUES THAT IT HAD.
WHEREAS JUST LIKE INDUSTRY, THIS IS LIKE, UM, HOUSING IS ENCROACHING ON AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT PREVIOUSLY WAS, UM, SOMEWHAT OF A FREEMAN'S TOWN.
UM, BUT THIS IS AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT IS ONLY GOING TO GROW.
AND YES, RESIDENTIAL IS MOVING IN, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL WHERE WE ARE HAVING OUR, UH, WE HAVING DISTRICTS, THESE TYPE OF DISTRICT.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE A DEEP EL AND WHERE THE LUM IS AT THAN HAVING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR HOW GREENVILLE, GREENVILLE HAS, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE PEOPLE ON GREENVILLE HAVE AN ISSUE, BUT THIS IS THREATENING THAT THAT LINE, THIS AREA IS A DESTINATION AREA FOR WHAT IT IS.
AND PERSONALLY KNOW THAT THOUGH, UH, QUITE A BIT OF THE PEOPLE ON THE FOUNDATION COMES FROM, COME FROM GREENVILLE AND, AND BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE TAKING THOSE SENTIMENTS FROM GREENVILLE OVER INTO THIS AREA AND WILL EVENTUALLY DESTROY THAT PART OF, OF, OF DOWNTOWN FOR WHAT IT IS IN, IN THE INDUSTRY.
AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD TAKE AND EVENTUALLY KILL THE BUSINESSES DOWN THERE.
'CAUSE SUVS, NOISE ORDINANCE, IT'S A PARTY THAT'S THE PARTY PART OF THE CITY AS EVERY, EVERY TYPE OF PERSON CAN GO FIND EVERY CULTURAL, EVERY, EVERY TYPE OF PART, WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
WHETHER IT'S COUNTRY MUSIC, R AND B, UM, POP EATING, YOU CAN GO TO DEEP EL.
UM, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS A SAFETY ISSUE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND AND OUR OFFICIALS NEED TO, AND THIS DOESN'T NEED TO BE AN ISSUE.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
YOU, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, ANOTHER HISTORIC AREA.
UM, HISTORICALLY THIS AREA, UH, PRODUCED BLUES ARTISTS, UH, COUNTRY ARTISTS, MUSICIANS, DANCERS, ENTERTAINERS OF ALL TYPES.
UM, TO TAKE THAT AWAY TO TALK ABOUT RESTRICTING IT IN THIS ENTERTAINMENT AREA, UM, IT SCARES ME, THIS WAS THE ONLY PLACE FOR THE UPTOWN, UM, FREEDMAN'S TOWN, UM, TO, THIS WAS THEIR DOWNTOWN.
THIS WAS WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS.
THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO BUSINESS IN LEGALLY DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
SO, UM, KEEPING THIS IN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I JUST WANNA SAY I DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THAT SUPPORTING DEEP DEVELOP IN THE ROLE THAT HAS PLAYED IN OUR CITY
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IS ANYTHING THAT, I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYONE SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT.SO JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE COMMENTS.
I COMMISSIONER WE, I, I DON'T THINK THAT, NOT, I DON'T THINK, THERE'S, NOT THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THE OVERREGULATION THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IS MORE ADDRESSING A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN DEEP L AND THAT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
AND I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S A ZONING ISSUE.
UM, AND WE, AND THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS GOING TO BE PLANNED TO THE NEW RESIDENTIAL THAT IS CONTINUING TO APPROACH INTO THIS ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY AREA.
UM, BUT THIS IS MORE OF A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
I THINK WE'RE READY FOR OUR, OUR VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES (Part 2 of 2)]
DID WE ANYBODY TAKE THE PEAK AT THE MINUTES? THANK YOU.UH, ALEX A HE SECONDED THE MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS A AMENDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT COMMISSIONERS 8:54 PM OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
UH, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AS ALWAYS.