* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] OKAY. LOOKS LIKE WE, [Special Called Meeting of the Government Performance & Financial Management Committee on August 6, 2024.] IT IS 3:09 PM ON AUGUST 6TH, UH, FOR THE SPECIAL CALL GPF, GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE MEETING. UH, THANK YOU EVERYONE WHO IS HERE. UM, WE WILL START, WE'RE GONNA START OFF 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL BE SHORTER AND, UH, WE'LL KNOCK OUT THE BRIEFING MEMO ITEM B, WHICH IS THE UPDATE ON THE PROPOSED PRIVATE GAME CLUB LAND USE, INCLUDING BUDGET IMPLICATIONS. WE'LL JUST ASK, I KNOW WE'VE GOT OUR, UH, WE DIDN'T GET ENOUGH OF YOU AT FORWARD DALLAS THE OTHER DAY, SO WE GLAD TO SEE, UM, DIRECTOR GILLIS UP HERE AGAIN. WOULD YOU, UH, LIKE TO GET US START ON WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH THE, UM, JUST A LITTLE BRIEF HISTORY AND WHERE YOU'RE AT NOW WITH THE LAND USE NEW CATEGORY FOR, UM, THESE OPERATORS? SURE. ANDREA GILLIS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. UM, WELL THIS ITEM IS ACTUALLY GOING FORWARD TO CITY PLAN COMMISSION ON THURSDAY. UM, SO IT'LL BE THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED AT CITY PLAN COMMISSION. UM, THERE IS A PROPOSAL ABOUT CREATING A NEW USE PRIVATE GAME CLUBS, UM, AND WHERE, AND THE DISCUSSION WILL BE ABOUT WHERE THAT USE WILL BE ALLOWED. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE IT ALLOWED BY SUP, OBVIOUSLY IT NEEDS TO FOLLOW ALL STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND THAT IT BE ACCESSORY TO ANY MAIN USE. AND THEN THERE'S A LISTING OF ZONING CATEGORIES IN WHICH IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE LOCATED. SO THAT'S WHAT CCP C'S GOING TO BE CONTEMPLATING ON THURSDAY. IT DID ALREADY GO TO ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, BUT THEY HAD A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT THEY THOUGHT REALLY NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AT CPC, SO THEY MOVED IT ON WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION TO CPC. OKAY. AND I WAS GONNA, BEFORE WE OPENED IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FOR YOU, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD ANY GUIDANCE ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T SAY. I KNOW THAT I WAS CAUTIONED BY THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY. JUST BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T TRY TO INFLUENCE THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION SINCE THE VOTE IS COMING UP SO QUICKLY. UM, AND WE DON'T WANNA FALL INTO ANY, UM, 12 A ISSUES. HI, I WOULD SAY AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION. I WOULD PROBABLY NOT ASK VERY MANY QUESTIONS TODAY OTHER THAN, UH, THE STATEMENT SHE MADE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING SO THAT WE DON'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE INFLUENCING THE PROCESS. AND IT'S MORE THAN 12 A. IT'S ALSO OUR TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REQUIRES THAT THE CITY CLIENT COMMISSION PROVIDE AN INDEPENDENT, UM, THEY HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL INDEPENDENTLY. UM, JUST I GUESS PROCEDURALLY, I'LL, I'LL KICK IT OFF AND I'LL PUNT IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES. UM, IS THERE, I THINK THIS WAS LAST FEBRUARY THAT WE ASKED THE PLAN COMMISSION TO BEGIN REVIEWING THIS LAND USE CATEGORY, WHAT TOOK SO LONG TO GET IT TO WHERE IT IS TODAY? SO I THINK LARGELY WE HAD A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CASES THAT NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE CCPC, THROUGH ZO OAC AND THE CPC PROCESS. IN THE INTERIM OF THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME VERY, VERY, I THINK PART OF THE CONCERN IS GETTING ITEMS SCHEDULED ON CPC BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVE CASES THAT ARE GOING THROUGH CPC AT THIS TIME. SO IT REALLY WAS JUST A WAY OF MANAGING BETWEEN HAVING THE STAFF AVAILABLE TO DO IT, BEING ABLE TO FIND SOME SPACE ON THE CPC AGENDA GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF CASES THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH. AND I CAN SAY PERSONALLY, AS YOU MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, FORWARD DALLAS , UM, IT'S JUST TAKING UP A LOT OF TIME AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CODE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE SORT OF WAITING FOR SOME OF THOSE PIECES TO COMPLETE BEFORE BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD MORE QUICKLY WITH OTHER ITEMS FOR THURSDAY. DO YOU ANTICIPATE A BRIEFING AND A DISCUSSION? IS IT JUST A BRIEFING? HOW IS IT? IT'S BRIEFING A PUBLIC HEARING BRIEFING AND A PUBLIC HEARING. MM-HMM, . OKAY. SO IT IS POSSIBLE THERE COULD BE A VOTE ON THURSDAY? IT'S POSSIBLE, YES. OKAY. UM, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT I WANTED TO JUST SEE IF MY COLLEAGUES, UH, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR PUD. UH, MS. BLACKMAN LOOKS LIKE NO. OKAY. I STILL DON'T THINK MR. MORENO HAS LOGGED IN HERE. UM, SO AS HISTORICALLY, UM, MS. PALINO, CAN YOU JUST RELAY HOW YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, ON VERY HIGH LEVEL, UM, WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT GOT US INTO THE LITIGATION, UM, TO BEGIN WITH, THERE WERE SOME, UM, COS THAT WERE DENIED BASED ON THE LAND USE STATEMENT. UH, I THINK THERE WERE THREE OF THEM AND THEN THOSE WERE APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. UM, AND THEN THE, UM, APPLICANT'S APPEALED TO DISTRICT COURT AND THEN THERE WERE TWO OTHER CASES, I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO, UM, WHERE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL REVOKED [00:05:01] AND THOSE WERE APPEALED TO, UM, THE DISTRICT COURT. THE, UM, JUDGES ALL DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ONE CASE GO FORWARD, ONE WENT FORWARD. UM, THE TRIAL COURT FOUND THAT THE, UM, UM, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UM, SHOULD HAVE REVOKED THE COS BECAUSE THE LAND USE, THEY WERE ILLEGAL USES. AND SO NOW THAT'S UP ON APPEAL. DO WE KNOW A TIMELINE FOR THE APPEAL? UM, THE, WELL WE KNOW THAT THE, UM, ORAL ARGUMENTS WERE DECEMBER 13TH AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A RULING OUT OF THE COURT YET. THEY'RE DECEMBER 13TH? YES. OKAY. AND OF LAST YEAR? YES. SO THEY'RE, AND THEY'VE, AND THERE'S NO NEW DATE FOR ORAL ARGUMENTS? NO, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE ORAL ARGUMENTS AND THE COURT HAS TAKEN IT UNDER ADVISEMENT. OKAY. SO THE COURT, WE'RE JUST WAITING ON JUDGMENT FROM THE COURT. SO THERE'S NO OTHER WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? NO, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS STAYED PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THE FIFTH COURT OF APPEALS DECISION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION FROM THE, UM, CFO OR FROM OUR BUDGET OFFICE ON THE POTENTIAL REVENUE FROM SALES TAX THAT WE'VE FORGONE BY NOT ISSUING NEW COS? WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, ANYBODY CAN APPLY FOR A CO AND IF THERE'S NO LAND USE THAT IS PARTICULAR TO THAT, UM, LAND USE STATEMENT, THAT THE BUILDING OFFICIALS STILL, UM, LOOKS AT WHAT IS CLOSEST AND THEY WOULD ISSUE THAT. AND SO THERE'S NO, NO ONE IS STOPPING PEOPLE FROM APPLYING FOR COS IT JUST HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE LOCAL LAWS IN THE STATE LAW. RIGHT. BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT WITHIN THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA APPLY FOR A CO. SO BACK TO MY QUESTION, UH, JEANETTE WHEATEN, DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES? NO, SIR. WE DO NOT HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF, UH, PROJECTED REVENUE FOREGONE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT. OKAY. DO YOU, UH, DO WE HAVE, WE HAVE PRIOR YEARS, UM, SALES, MAYBE NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT UH, ON FILE FOR WHAT OUR SALES TAX REVENUE HAS BEEN FROM THIS INDUSTRY, RIGHT? CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, IF ANOTHER QUESTION FOR EITHER CITY SECRETARY OR FOR, UH, MS. PALOMINO IS IF THE, IF COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE AN ACTION, A VOTE, UM, AT A FUTURE DATE FOR, TO GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS ESSENTIALLY TO BASICALLY BEGIN REISSUE THE COS THAT WERE, THAT WERE ORIGINALLY ISSUED, UM, AND THE ONES THAT WERE PENDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE OPERATORS HAD FILED THEIR APPLICATIONS INVESTED IN OUR CITY, PUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THE FACILITIES, UM, IF WE WANTED TO PROCEED WITH AN ACTION TO GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO DO PREFER TO ANSWER THAT IN, UM, EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO I'M NOT, UH, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STR STRATEGY AND OTHER THINGS THAT I NEED TO MAKE SURE ARE CONFIDENTIAL WITH, UM, MY CLIENT'S COUNSEL. SURE. AND I CAN SAVE THAT QUESTION, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO STOP THE MEETING AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION RELATED QUESTIONS. BUT JUST AS A, UM, I MEAN, ANY ITEM THAT COUNSEL WANTED TO TAKE ON THEORETICALLY, AND MAYBE NOT THIS ONE, WHAT WOULD BE OUR PROCEDURAL PATH FORWARD? I MEAN, I THINK THE ISSUE IS IT'S, IT'S A LEGISLATIVE ITEM. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS GETS RESOLVED. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, SAYING THAT, UM, I CAN ANSWER FULLY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, COLLEAGUES? NO. NEXT WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS NOTICED FOR TODAY, WHICH IS, UH, BRIEFING ITEM, A CITY LEASE PROPERTIES AND BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS FOR THE CITY. UH, WE'VE GOT ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER GIBSON HERE, UH, WHICH GLAD TO HAVE HIM BACK, UH, TO TALK TO US ABOUT REAL ESTATE IMPLICATIONS. UM, COLLEAGUES, IF YOU RECALL, THIS ITEM CAME OUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS POSTED, BUT I THINK, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, UH, TOLBERT HAD SENT OUT A LIST OF ALL OF THE, UH, LEASEHOLD LEASE HOLDING ITEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, UH, WHICH TOTALS IN THE MILLIONS PER YEAR. UH, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'D SEEN THAT CONSOLIDATED LIST AND I, YOU KNOW, IT JUST RAISED SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME AND I THINK FOR SOME OTHER FOLKS, UM, WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR BUDGET COMING UP AND WE'RE SEEING BUDGET CUTS ACROSS THE CITY, UM, THIS WAS AN ITEM AT LEAST I FELT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE RECEIVED THE CITY'S BUDGET ON FRIDAY. SO, UH, DO YOU WANNA TAKE IT AWAY? ABSOLUTELY. CHAIR WEST. THANK YOU. ZEL GIBSON, INTERIM ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND TO MY RIGHT, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF HAVING ASHLEY EUBANKS HERE WITH ME. SHE'S THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN PUBLIC WORKS AND SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR REAL ESTATE DIVISION. I'M GOING TO START HERE ON SLIDE NUMBER TWO. SO AS CHAIR WEST MENTIONED, WE'RE [00:10:01] HERE TO KIND OF PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE COST AND THE USE AND THE FUTURE ACTION TIED TO OUR ACQUISITION LEASES. YOU GO TO SLIDE THREE, PLEASE. WHAT I TRIED TO DO ON SLIDE THREE WAS ENCAPSULATE THE MEMORANDUM THAT CHAIR WEST MENTIONED THAT BASICALLY HAD A LAUNDRY LIST OF ALL OUR 44 LEASES, UH, SPELLED OUT THERE, UH, IN THE TABLE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO USE, UH, THE TERM, UH, OF THE LEASE AND THE COST ASSOCIATED, WHICH EACH INDIVIDUAL ACQUISITION LEASE THAT THE CITY'S PROCESSED AND IS IN THE, IN THE, UH, POSITION OF USING THOSE PARTICULAR PIECES OF PROPERTY. ON SLIDE THREE WORKING THROUGH THE TABLE, JUST THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE ACQUISITION LEASES, A TOTAL OF 44 LEASES, NINE OF WHICH ACTUALLY DON'T COME WITH A BASE RENTAL COST, RIGHT? THEY, THEY START WITH THE ZERO COST. THERE COULD BE SOME ANCILLARY COSTS LIKE MAYBE THE, THE COST OF A UTILITY, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE BASE RENTAL IS AT ZERO. WE HAVE 14 OTHER LEASES THAT ARE TIED TO OUR WIC CLINICS THAT PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THOSE ARE REIMBURSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO THERE'S NO DIRECT COST IMPACT, UH, RELATED TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL LEASES. SO THAT LEAVES US WITH 21 LEASES THAT HAVE A ACTUAL BASE RENTAL THAT KIND OF START THE FRAMEWORK OF OUR CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT WHAT ACTUAL COST AND TIED THAT WE HAVE TIED TO THE USES. SO THE NEXT SECTION HERE ON SLIDE THREE TALKS ABOUT RIGHT AT $5.4 MILLION IS THE TOTAL, UH, ACQUISITION LEASE COST. IN SUMMARY, WHEN YOU BACK OUT THE COST THAT WE'RE REIMBURSED FROM THE WIC CLINICS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT THE STATE FUNDS WERE RIGHT AT $3.9 MILLION. OKAY? AND THEN THE BOTTOM SECTION OF THE SAME CHART ON SLIDE THREE, WHAT I DID WAS TRY TO GIVE YOU THE BIG ROCKS, THE, THE, THE PIECES OF PROPERTY, THE LOCATIONS, AND THE USES THAT, THAT REALLY CONSIST THAT $3.9 MILLION AND THEN A REFLECTION OF VERY LIKELY WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS WITH THE FUTURE ACTION. SO IF YOU'LL FOLLOW WITH ME, THE DALLAS POLICE ACADEMY BEING THE, THE CHIEF COST IN THAT $3.9 MILLION IS RIGHT AT $1.1 MILLION. NOW, WE, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM, UH, HAS SOME, SOME, UH, FUNDING, UH, THAT'S BEEN SET ASIDE FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF A SITE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE AN ACADEMY. SO AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, ONCE THAT, UH, GROUNDBREAKING AND, AND ONCE ALL THOSE, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY BUILD, UH, THAT NEW ACADEMY, THAT COST ROLLS OFF THE BOOKS. THE NEXT ITEM IS A DALLAS WATER UTILITY IN ENGINEERING AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE RIGHT AT $800,000 THERE. AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PLANS IN THE FUTURE TO ACTUALLY RELOCATE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PORTION. SO THAT ITSELF WILL GO DOWN BY ANOTHER $139,000 ANNUALLY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS THEY'RE ABLE TO PHASE THAT GROUP INTO OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE OWN. THEN YOU GOT THE BUILDING INSPECTION OFFICES RIGHT AT A LITTLE OVER 400,000, RIGHT? THOSE BY DESIGN WERE INTENDED TO FOLD INTO THE 7,800 SIMMONS BUILDING AS WE STILL CONTINUE TO REIMAGINE HOW WE'RE GONNA WORK THROUGH GETTING THAT BUILDING OPEN. BUT IT WAS ENVISIONED THAT THOSE DISTRICT OFFICES, FOUR OF THEM, I BELIEVE, FOUR TO FIVE OF THEM INDEPENDENTLY SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WOULD THEN ALL COMBINE AND THEN RESIDE THERE AT 7,800 SIMMONS. AND THEN YOU GOT THE JACK EVANS POLICE HEADQUARTERS GARAGE. NOW, I WILL MAKE A NOTE THAT ON THE ORIGINAL LISTING, THE MEMORANDUM, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WAS LISTED, I BELIEVE WAS $350,000. THAT WAS AT THE OUTSET OF THE LEASE MANY YEARS AGO. IN THIS TABLE THAT I'M SHOWING YOU ON SLIDE THREE, THAT NUMBER'S BEEN UPDATED TO SHOW APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY. BUT THAT BUILDING AND THE GARAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, UH, IS GONNA BE PROCESSED AS A NEW BUILDING WITH, FOR THE CITY. IT'S THE BELLEVUE BUILDING. AND ONCE THAT BUILDING IS ACQUIRED, UH, BY THE CITY, BASED ON THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE GARAGE, THAT EXPENSE WILL ALSO GO AWAY. THEN WE HAVE THE EMERGENCY RADIO SYSTEM TOWERS, OBVIOUSLY, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM, UH, TO ADEQUATELY FUNCTION. UH, THERE ARE PLACES ACROSS THE CITY, UH, FOR PROXIMITY AND LOGISTICS THAT WE HAVE TOWERS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR THE RADIO SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND NOT LEAVE ANY SPOTS THAT DEAD SPOTS IN THE INSIDE THE CITY FOR RADIO COMMUNICATIONS. SO WE PAY THOSE, THOSE COSTS ANNUALLY AS WELL. AND THEN ANOTHER BIG ROCK THAT WAS LISTED THERE IS THE CITY SURPLUS STORE, WHICH IS WHERE WE TAKE OR, OR ACTUALLY STAFF ANY SURPLUS ITEMS, UH, ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED THAT ARE NO LONGER NEEDED, OLD FIXED ASSETS THAT ARE PAST THEIR USEFUL LIFE. THEY'RE, UH, SENT TO THE, UH, CITY [00:15:01] STORE FOR, FOR, UH, DISPOSAL AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE, THEY'RE SOLD AT THE ACTUAL CITY STORE ITSELF. AND THEN THE ROUNDABOUT NUMBER, WHICH IS ALL OF THE LEASES, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 15 OR SO, ALL EQUATE TO ABOUT $360,000. RIGHT. SO I I, I DIDN'T PEEL THEM OUT ALL INDIVIDUALLY. UH, IN THE APPENDIX, I HAVE THE ACTUAL MEMORANDUM THAT OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER PROVIDED AS A RESPONSE TO THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE MEETING. AND IN THAT LIST, ALL THE INDIVIDUAL LEASES. SO IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT $360,000 INDIVIDUALLY, WE COULD BY LINE ITEM, AND I HAVE MS. ASHLEY HERE WHO WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO KIND OF SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE ACQUISITION PROCESS, HOW SHE ENGAGES WITH DEPARTMENTS AND, AND HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS IF THEY'RE MORE IN DEPTH QUESTIONS, BUT IN AN EFFORT TO JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHAT DOLLARS ARE WE SPENDING, HOW ARE WE USING IT, AND WHAT THE BIG ROCKS ARE. I THINK SLIDE THREE, UH, THERE'S A FAIRLY GOOD DEPICTION OF THAT AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE DETAIL LEVEL. YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE FOUR, I MAKE MENTION OF THE APPENDIX. AND THEN THEREAFTER IN YOUR BRIEFING DOCUMENTS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE MEMORANDUM DATED JUNE 28TH CITY, UH, LEASE PROPERTIES WHERE THERE'S A ACTUAL TABLE RIGHT BEHIND THE MEMORANDUM LISTING THE PROPERTY ADDRESSES THE TERM OF THE LEASE, UH, THE LEASE, STARTING TO END DATES THE SIZE, UH, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WERE LEASING, AND THE MONTHLY AND ANNUAL ANNUAL, UH, RENTAL AMOUNTS AND THEN WHAT THE ACTUAL USE IS BY DEPARTMENT. AND THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. CHAIR WEST. ALRIGHT. YEAH, I'VE, I'VE GOT A FEW, UM, MY COLLEAGUES MAY AS WELL. UM, I'M LOOKING AT, SO FIRST OF ALL, GREAT JOB. YOU PULLED ALL THIS TOGETHER AND I'M GLAD TO KNOW WHAT FIRST CAME OUT TO US AS KIND OF WAS LIKE A STICKER SHOCK, AT LEAST TO ME. UH, A LOT OF THESE ARE EITHER REIMBURSED BY THE STATE OR THERE IS A PLAN FOR THEM THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COME UP WITH BY, BY THE DEPARTMENTS. UM, GOING THROUGH THE ACTUAL SPREADSHEET, UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON SLIDE THREE, I'M NOT SEEING EXACTLY WHERE THEY TRANSLATE OVER ONTO THE SPREADSHEET AND I WANNA BE ABLE TO MARK THEM OFF. SO THE DWU ENGINEERING AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE OF ON THE SLIDE THREE IS $798,000. I ASSUME THAT'S UNDER DW UNDERWATER. IS THAT THE COMBINED TOTAL THERE? THAT'S THE COMBINED TOTAL OF THOSE TWO? YES, SIR. THAT'S THE COMBINED TOTAL. OKAY, GOT IT. THE BUILDING INSPECTION DISTRICT OFFICES I THINK IS PRETTY CLEAR. THAT'S ALL THREE OF THOSE ITEMS OR ALL FOUR OF THOSE ITEMS, RIGHT? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. AND ALL OF THOSE WILL BE GOING AWAY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE LEASES GO UP THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF, OF 2030, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM DOES. RIGHT. AND THE OTHERS ARE END A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THAT. ASHLEY CAN SPEAK TO THE, UH, TERMINATION OF THE LEASES IN THAT PROCESS THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH ONCE WE COALESCED ALL THE OFFICES AT 7,800 SIMMONS. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, IN EACH OF OUR LEASES, WE HAVE A CLAUSE OR A, UM, TERM FOR, WE HAVE A NON APPROPRIATION CLAUSE TO ALLOW FOR TERMINATION. SO IF THE FUNDING FOR THE LEASE IS NOT THERE, THEN WE CAN TERMINATE. OKAY. SO IF THE CITY REAPPROPRIATE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE, THEN THAT, THAT IS GREAT. GOOD JOB ON THAT. LEGAL OR WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, THE JACK EVANS PARKING GARAGE IS GONNA BE UNDER POLICE, I ASSUME. AND THAT IS WHERE IS THAT AMOUNT ON THE APPENDIX SPREADSHEET? YES. YOUR UN UNDERSTOOD. IT'S UNDER THE POLICE HEADING THAT IT WILL BE TO THE FAR LEFT. IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY ON PAGE THREE OF THE MEMORANDUM. IT'S TOWARD THE BOTTOM. CAN YOU GO TO THE MEMORANDUM? THANK LORD I SEE THE 1.1 MILLION. GO TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE ONE. CAN YOU BLOW THAT WAS IT. I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE BELL, UM, YOU WANNA CHIME IN ON THAT? LIKE, I, I DON'T SEE A FIGURE FOR 999,999. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHERE THE 1000 BELLEVUE STREET CHANGED. OKAY. INSTEAD OF THE, I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER. THANK YOU FOR, FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I ACTUALLY FORGOT IT. THANK YOU ACTUALLY FOR THAT. SO IN THE ORIGINAL RELEASE OF THE MEMORANDUM, WE HAD A DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THERE THAT WAS ACTUALLY MORE RELATED TO THE OUTSET OF THE LEASE BACK IN 2000. SO APPRECIABLY EACH YEAR, THAT LEASE HAS CHANGED SINCE 2000. AND INSTEAD OF BEING AT ITS INITIAL 350,000, IT'S CLOSER TO A MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY NOW. OKAY. SO THAT WAS A CORRECTION THAT I GAVE VERBALLY, UH, WHEN I, WHEN I WALKED THROUGH THE BRIEFING. [00:20:03] AND THEN THERE'S THE CITY SURPLUS STORE, WHICH IS LOCATED WHERE EXACTLY ON THE SPREADSHEET? THE CITY SURPLUS STORE WOULD BE UNDER THE, OFF, I'M SORRY? IT'D BE UNDER PROCUREMENT. POM AND IT IS ACTUALLY GOT IT ON THE LAST PAGE. OKAY. THEN I GUESS THAT, THAT, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL. THAT BRINGS ME DOWN TO, TO THE, UH, THE LAST KIND OF BIGGER TICKET ITEMS. CAN WE TALK ABOUT OUR LEASE FOR THANKSGIVING SQUARE, WHICH IS UNDER PARK? THAT'S, UH, LOOKS LIKE $65,000 A YEAR. WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT THAT COULD HOPEFULLY SPEAK TO THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU JASON. GOOD. NATE PARK PLANNING AND ACQUISITIONS MANAGER WITH THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. UM, THIS LEASE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A LONG-TERM LEASE. IT'S FOR THE TUNNELS, UM, AT THINGS THANKSGIVING SQUARE TO GET TO ACCESS TO THAT AREA. AND SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT RECENTLY IN THE RECENT YEARS. A LOT OF THE STORES HAVE MOVED OUT OF THE TUNNELS AND THERE'S MUCH LESS, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY UNDERGROUND. SO WE'RE REASSESSING, UM, THE NEEDS OF THAT LEASE. WHY WOULD WE NEED TO PAY THEM TO ACCESS THE TUNNELS? UM, UH, IT'S AN OLD LEASE. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LEASE, WHY WE ENTERED INTO THAT SO LONG AGO. THAT'S OVER HALF A CENTURY AGO. OKAY. WELL THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WITH, WE WANNA HEAR ABOUT AGAIN, . YEAH, I, I TALKED WITH OUR MAINTENANCE SERVICES AND THEY SAID THEY DO NO MAINTENANCE ON THE AREA. SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES 50 YEARS AGO. UM, WHY THAT WAS AGREED TO WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING TUNNELS. OKAY. BUT, BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT. THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THAT WILL JUST A HEADS UP, I'M THAT'S CERTAINLY GONNA COME UP DURING BUDGET DISCUSSIONS ON, ON THAT ITEM. YEAH. AND AS, AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT OVER THE YEARS AND IT'S BEEN GRADUALLY DECLINING THE, THE USE OF, SO THE PUBLIC NEED FOR THAT. SO WE HAVE TO ASSESS THAT, BUT IT'S TRULY STILL NEEDED. UM, WELL THAT'S, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND COLLEAGUES, I'M JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE, IT LOOKS, I THINK THE FIRE ITEM, WHICH IS THE, UH, 132,000 A YEAR FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT AMBULANCE DIVISION, IF WE COULD JUST GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT LEASE IS FOR. AND DO WE, DO WE HAVE, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN BRING THAT COST IN HOUSE AT SOME POINT? YES. YOUR, UH, THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WEST, UH, DANIEL SALAZAR, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UM, WE'VE GOT, UM, OUR EMS DIVISION, UH, HAS EXPANDED EXPONENTIALLY OVER THE, UH, LAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, WITH ADDITION OF DIFFERENT, UH, TEAMS, OPIOID RESPONSE TEAM, RIGHT. CARE, UH, AND THEN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS ALL THE EQUIPMENT WE, UM, MAXED OUT OUR CAPACITY FOR STORAGE OF THE STRETCHERS, THE LOCK PACKS, ALL THAT MEDICAL EQUIPMENT AT OUR EXISTING FACILITIES. SO WE HAD TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS TO WHERE TO HOUSE THIS EQUIPMENT AND WE SETTLED ON THAT, UH, BURBANK LOCATION FOR THAT. IS THIS EQUIPMENT THAT YOU NEED TO ACCESS QUICKLY OR IS IT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GET THERE, YOU KNOW, FIVE HOURS LATER OR DAY LATER? IT IS, WE HAVE TO HAVE QUICK ACCESS TO IT FOR JUST, UH, IF WE HAVE A MASS CASUALTY INCIDENT, THE STAY FAIR DIFFERENT, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE ALSO, UH, PUT ON IN, IN SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, HOW MUCH, LET'S SEE, SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, SO IT'S AN 8,371 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY. UM, I GUESS YOU KNOW, THESE KIND, AND I DON'T WANNA GET IN THE WEEDS ON THIS TOO MUCH. MM-HMM. DID WE EXHAUST LOOKING ACROSS THE CITY FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER FACILITIES. FAIR PARK, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLACES WE COULD STORE THIS. WE, WE DID AND WE LOOKED EXTENSIVELY. WE CANVASED, UH, DIFFERENT CITY PROPERTIES AND THEY JUST WERE NOT GONNA BE, UH, A GOOD FIT FOR US. WE ALSO HAVE AMBULANCES, UH, AT THAT LOCATION. SO IT, IT PROVIDES AMPLE ROOM FOR, TO SUPPORT EMS SERVICES, UH, HERE IN DALLAS. I'M WONDERING AT THE NEW STEMIS LOCATION, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE SPACE FOR THIS SINCE IT'S REALLY STORAGE THAT WE, I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT TODAY, BUT THAT'D BE SOMETHING I'D WANNA LOOK INTO. ALRIGHT, COLLEAGUES, I THINK I'VE TALKED ENOUGH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS? GOOD QUESTION, . THANKS, UH, ANYBODY. OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING I DIDN'T ASK THAT YOU WANTED TO, TO RELAY, UH, OUTSIDE [00:25:01] OF THE FACT THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON THESE OTHER INITIATIVES, UH, LIKE THE BOND PROGRAM AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT ALL THE BUILDING INSPECTION DISTRICT OFFICES IN 7,800 STEMS, WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AS OUR REGULAR GPFM, UH, SEQUENCING TO TALK MORE ABOUT ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES, INCLUDING LEASES. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. WELL, COLLEAGUES, THANKS AGAIN FOR, FOR BEING HERE TODAY. UM, AT THIS POINT IT IS 3:34 PM AND THIS MEETING OF GPFM IS OVER. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.