* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Community Police Oversight Board on August 13, 2024.] [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. UH, MY NAME IS JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD. WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD, SO LET'S GET THIS MEETING STARTED. THE OFFICIAL TIME FOR THIS MEETING TO BEGIN IS 5 38. THAT IS 5 38. THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR, IMPARTIAL, THOROUGH, AND ARE TRANSPARENT. THE BOARD SEEKS TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS INTO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS. AT THIS TIME, AS WE BEGIN OUR MEETING, WE'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, WITH SOME DISCRETION BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED. AND, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED TO ONE TO TWO. BUT I THINK TODAY WE HAVE, UH, ENOUGH SPEAKERS TO WHERE WE CAN GIVE EVERY SPEAKER THREE, THREE MINUTES. AND IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO ALREADY AT THE SIGN UP TO SPEAK, AT THE START OF THE MEETING, PLEASE SEE A MEMBER OF OUR CITY STAFF, THE OFFICE OF THE OVERSIGHT, UH, OFFICE STAFF IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM FOR SPEAKER CARDS. AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF OUR MEETING THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ANY SIGNUP. SO, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE, TO HAVE PRODUCTIVE AND HEALTHY, UH, DIALOGUE. TO DO SO, WE MUST ESTABLISH SOME STRUCTURE TO HOW WE ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER. WE ASK AS WE SPEAK AND, UH, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER THAT WE DO SO WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS. SO WE DO HAVE, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE LISTED, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE TO BEGIN, ARLENE PEREZ MORENO, UH, TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON. AND I'LL HAVE MY TIMER. AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU START SPEAKING, I'LL, UH, HIT THE TIMER AND THEN WHEN YOU HEAR THE SOUND IS WHEN THE THREE MINUTES IS, UH, IS UP. SO, UH, SO HAPPY YOU WERE HERE, ARLENE, AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS. HI, HOW ARE YOU? I PASSED OUT SOME, UM, DOCUMENTS. IS, IS THE MICROPHONE ON BY CHANCE? CAN EVERYBODY HEAR HER? HI. HELLO. OKAY, NOW WE CAN. ALRIGHT, YOU MAY BEGIN. I PASSED OUT SOME DOCUMENTS FOR YOU, UH, TWO OF YOU. THE VERY FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT I HAVE THREE MINUTES. THOSE THREE MINUTES? YES, MA'AM. YES. CAN I SIT UP FROM THE SIDE? OKAY. YEAH. WE HAD THE DOCUMENTS HERE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THE WHAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. HEY, WILL YOU, OKAY, UNDERSTAND. SO, SO I, UM, THREE MINUTES IS NOT VERY LONG, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN IT'S A A, A CASE SUCH AS MINE, I, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE VERY FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS JUST ACCOMMODATIONS ONLY BECAUSE I DO HAVE PTSD, I DO HAVE MY MEDICAL, UH, DUE TO THE EVENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, I DON'T ASK SO MUCH JUST FOR LIKE, I STUTTER. SO I HAVE TO GET TIME TO FOCUS BECAUSE IT HAP UH, I ALSO, UM, INC INCLUDED MY, UM, MY CARD WHERE I HAVE NOW BEEN ACCEPTED INTO THE, UH, CONFIDENTIALITY ACT WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, ALL MY MAIL GOES THERE, UM, BECAUSE MY ADDRESS IS SO NOBODY CAN FIND ME DUE TO WHAT HAPPENED. UM, SO IT'S, THEY REVIEWED IT AS A PRETTY, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE TO ACCEPT. SO WHAT I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS A REPORT. THERE'S 16 REPORTS THAT I HAVE, 16 THAT ALL COME BACK TO ONE INCIDENT. BUT IF I HAVE TO BE HERE EVERY MONTH FOR 16 MONTHS WITH YOU GUYS, THEN I WILL. SO WE CAN REVIEW THOSE REPORTS. THE REPORT YOU ALREADY HAVE IS AUGUST 15TH, 2022, WHERE THE DETECTIVE AND THE POLICE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THERE WAS THE VIDEO THAT I SHOWED, BUT I WANNA SHOW THIS PART OF VIDEO. SO THIS WASN'T A LOT, BUT THIS REPORT THAT I GAVE YOU IS EIGHT 12. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, UH, I CALLED 9 1 1 TO COME PICK UP PASS REPORTS, IDS, CREDIT CARDS, UM, MAIL THAT MY EX FOSTERS, MY FORMER FOSTER SON HAD LEFT HIS GIRLFRIEND. AND SOME EVENTS THAT WERE GOING ON, THEY DIDN'T COME. SO I CALLED AND THEY DIDN'T COME. THEY MADE A REPORT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, THE TIMESTAMPS ARE WRONG. UH, I MADE AN EVALUATION SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE MAYBE MAY, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M RIGHT OR NOT, BUT, UM, THEY SAY THAT THE CALL WAS MADE AT 1600 HOURS GOING DOWN THE, THE POLICEMAN SAYS THAT HE ARRIVED AT MY HOUSE AT 10 10, 1000 SOMETHING HOURS. THERE WAS NO WAY THE CALL WAS MADE AT 16. YOU KEEP GOING. AND IF YOU LOOK, I HIGHLIGHT [00:05:01] IT, WHERE ON THE 12TH, THE, SO THEY MAKE, THEY MAKE COMMENTS ON THE 12TH, ON THE 12TH ON THE 12TH, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT CHANGES TO THE 13TH. THEN IT'S THE 13TH, THE DAY OF THE 13TH, THE DAY OF THE 13TH. AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE 12TH, THEN IT GOES THE 12TH, THE 12TH, THE 12TH. AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE 13TH, THE 14TH, THE 15TH AND SEPTEMBER 7TH. THEY HAVE THE DATES, THOSE DATES ARE ON THE REPORT. HOW COULD THAT BE? AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE 12TH. SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE REPORTING IS, IS NOT, IT'S INCORRECT. AND THE TIME, THE TIMES ARE, ARE NOT CORRECT. SO THAT GIVES WAY OF THE REPORTS ARE NOT DONE RIGHT. AND THAT'S MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE AND A BIG, BIG DEAL TO PEOPLE THAT RELY ON 'EM LIKE ME. I, SO I'LL BE HERE EVERY 16 MONTHS, I MEAN, EVERY MONTH FOR 16 MONTHS IN THREE MINUTES. IT'S NOT A LOT WHEN YOU HAVE A DISABILITY AND WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A CASE LIKE MINE. THANK YOU ARLENE. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR THE DOCUMENTS AS WELL THAT WE HAVE THEM. WOULD YOU LIKE THEM? WOULD YOU LIKE THEM BACK, OR WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS? HUH? UH, THE DOCUMENTS YOU'VE GIVEN US, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, WE KEEP OR WOULD YOU LIKE? YEAH, THAT'S YOU GUYS. OKAY. UH, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THEM. IS THAT ON THE TABLE OR NO? UH, YEAH, WE HAVE 'EM HERE. AND, AND, UH, YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT 'EM AND, AND PLEASE WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU. SO YOU WILL. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SHOULD CALL ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE CHAIR WOULD NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DOLORES PHILLIPS. DOLORES PHILLIPS, UH, PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE MICROPHONE. UM, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S ON. AND, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WHEN, UH, I'LL BEGIN THE TIMER WHEN YOU BEGIN. UH, YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. DOLORES PHILLIPS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. YOU DO HAVE HANDOUTS. SOME OF THE PAGES THAT I SENT YOU ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE HANDOUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DPD REPORT NUMBER 0 2 7 3 2 9 1 DASH EIGHT. OCTOBER 25TH, 2013. IT'S BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAS LEFT THE OCPO, THAT OFFICE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS A COVERUP ONLY INCIDENT DETAIL REPORT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU ALL THE PAGES. I DON'T KNOW WHICH PAGES THE INCIDENT DERE DETAIL REPORT IS HIGHLIGHTED. IT SAYS THE DISPATCHERS NOTED THAT THE OFFICER CALLED THEM WITH THE REPORT NUMBER 0 2 7 3 2 9 1 DASH A. THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS. WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO TRANSPORT SOMEONE, THEY CALL DISPATCH. AND DISPATCH GIVES THEM A REPORT NUMBER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT CORPORAL CONNER'S NOTES AND YOU HAVE A PAGE OF HIS NOTES, HE HAVE THAT NUMBER WRITTEN DOWN. WHEN I SAY THAT MAYOR ROLLINS PREARRANGED THIS MEETING TWO TO THREE WEEKS PRIOR, HE DID SUCH THAT BECAUSE I WAS STANDING BEFORE HIM A YEAR PRIOR TO THAT, EVERY WEEK AT THAT TIME, IT WAS EVERY WEEK. FAITHFULLY. YOU CAN GO BACK INTO THE RECORDS. IF IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT I SPOKE BEFORE HIM EVERY WEEK, THAT MEANS THOSE RECORDS TWO HAVE BEEN ERASED. MM-HMM, , THIS POLICE REPORT WAS USED AGAINST MY DAD LAST YEAR. MM-HMM. DALLAS COUNTY APPOINTED A COURT ATTORNEY AT LITEM WHO DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. SHE SAID, HAD SHE, MY DAD WOULD BE STILL BE HERE TODAY. THEY DIDN'T AWARD ME GUARDIANSHIP, HAD THEY? MY DAD WOULD STILL BE HERE. I WAS HIS POWER OF ATTORNEY 2019. I FOUND OUT IN 2019 THAT MY DAD HAD MONIES. THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. ALL HIS MONIES COMES FROM DOWNTOWN DALLAS. I ALLEGE IT TO BE A SETUP AND THE RECORDS WILL REFLECT THAT. AND ALL THESE FABRICATED CASES AND DOCUMENTS AGAINST MY NAME IS COMING TO LIGHT TO KNOW THAT THEY WERE INTENTIONALLY FABRICATED TO SET IT UP TO CREATE A FACADE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT, I NEVER IN MY LIFE FOUGHT POLICE. THEY PUT HANDS AND FEETS AS WEAPONS AT THE HEADQUARTERS. HOW DO YOU GET A FABRICATED POLICE REPORT CONNECTED TO YOUR NAME AT THE HEADQUARTERS ON THE FIRST FLOOR FOR TWO PLUS HOURS WHERE THEY ERASED TWO PLUS HOURS OF THAT MEETING? CORPORAL CONNER WAS ERASED FROM THE MEETING ON THE FLOOR. TWO HOURS OF HIM PRANCING, ANXIOUS, ANTSY, ANGRY. HE TOLD ME HE HAD TALKED TO MAYOR ROLLINS THAT MORNING, IE. MAYOR ROLLINS TOLD HIM TO HOLD ME. DETAINED ME UNLAWFULLY. MM-HMM, DUE TO RETALIATION. YOU KNOW WHY THEY TOOK THAT OUT? THE VIDEO OUT OF CORPORAL COTNER IEGE. HE WAS A SECOND AWAY FROM FRIENDLY FIRE. THEY TRIGGERED HIM RESEARCH HIS HISTORY, HISTORY. I'VE GIVEN YOU THE DOCUMENTS. I ALLEGED THAT HE WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UNLAWFUL IMPRISONMENT. HE AGREED TO KEEP HIS JOB. THIS IS A COVERUP WITHIN A COVERUP. AND I WAS AT THAT MEETING TALKING ABOUT A COVERUP IN 2009 WHERE THEY ERASE. THANK YOU MR. PHILLIPS. 9 1 1 CALLS WITHIN A WEEK OF THOSE CALLS BEING, APPRECIATE THAT MR. PHILLIPS. I HUMBLY THANK YOU, SIR. HEY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE THAT. CAN YOU PLEASE SIGN ME UP FOR [00:10:01] NEXT MONTH, FIRST TUESDAY, PLEASE. I'M ASKING THAT ON THE RECORD. CONSIDER IT DONE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. NEXT, FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE ALEX STEIN. ALEX STEIN, IF YOU COULD MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE MICROPHONE AND WHEN, UH, YOU BEGIN YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL, UH, START THE, THE THREE MINUTES TIMER. ALEX, ALEX STEIN. ALEX STEIN. YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. DIDN'T HEAR YOU. EXCUSE ME. TYPICAL A LITTLE BIT LATE. YOU KNOW HOW I OPERATE. ALRIGHT FOLKS, WHERE'S MY TIMER? I HAVE IT UP HERE. AND I'LL, WHENEVER YOU START TALKING, I'LL SET THE TIMER AND YOU'LL HEAR THE, THE BELL WHEN, WHENEVER THREE MINUTES IS UP. ALRIGHT GUYS. WELCOME. WELL, MY NAME'S PRIMETIME. 99 ALEX STEIN. AND I'M SICK AND TIRED OF THIS POLICE FORCE, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE A GUY, A 14 YEAR VETERAN, A SERGEANT BY THE NAME OF ARTURO MARTINEZ THAT THINKS IT'S REALLY CUTE AND COOL TO SAY THAT THE ASSASSIN THAT SHOT DONALD TRUMP SHOULD AIM BETTER. AND I THINK IT'S FREAKING DISGUSTING THAT WE HAVE A POLICE FORCE, PEOPLE THAT PUT IT, LOOK AT THESE GUYS, LOOK AT THESE COWARDS. YOU GUYS THINK IT'S OKAY TO SAY, OH, WE SHOULD AIM BETTER. ISN'T HE ONE YOUR BROTHERS EXCUSE. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE. I DON'T ME. EXCUSE. ADDRESS ME. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE. LISTEN HERE, GRANDMA, CAN I COME UP HERE AND SEE WHAT I YELL? DO NOT NEED TO SAY, DON NOT YELL. WHY ARE YOU YELLING THEN? HEY, EXCUSE ME, MR. STEIN. UH, THIS IS, UH, NOT APPROPRIATE. IT'S NOT UNDER THE CONDUCT. CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK WITH KIND OF SOME RESPECT AND PLEASE ONLY ADDRESS ME AS THE CHAIR. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL HAVE SOME RESPECT, BUT I'M VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY RESPECTFUL. SPEAK TO ME PLEASE. THAT DON'T DO OFFICER. DON'T RESPECTFUL FOR A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER, 14 YEAR SERGEANT TO SAY THAT AN ASSASSIN SHOULD HAVE AIMED BETTER WHEN THEY TRIED TO KILL THE 45TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. DONALD TRUMP. I WANT A POLICE FORCE THAT DOESN'T PUT THEIR POLITICS FIRST, THAT HAS A BRAIN UNLIKE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO DISGUSTING, IS THAT WE GOT A CITY OUT THERE. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE OUT THERE SMOKING FENTANYL, SMOKING CRACK. AS I WALKED IN HERE, AS I WALKED IN HERE, PEOPLE SMOKING DRUGS OUT THERE AT CITY HALL. YOU GUYS AREN'T GONNA ARREST THEM. BUT THE DALLAS POLICE FORCE, THEY GOT ENOUGH TIME TO GO OUT THERE AND TWEET. OH, OH, I THINK THE ASSASSIN, I THINK THE ASSASSIN SHOULD HAVE AIMED BETTER. YEAH. WELL, IT'S NOT FUNNY TO ME. I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY FUNNY AT ALL, BECAUSE I PUT MY SAFETY IN THESE OFFICER'S HANDS. THAT'S THEIR JOB, IS TO PROTECT US, TO PROTECT A PRESIDENT. AND, AND WE'RE IN DALLAS WHERE JFK WAS ASSASSINATED. SO THERE'S A LITTLE MORE SCRUTINY THAT IS UPON US AS A CITY BECAUSE WE WERE THE LAST CITY TO HAVE A PRESIDENT ASSASSINATED. BUT SEE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THIS CITY IS ALL ABOUT RACE AND GENDER. YOU PROBABLY DON'T LIKE ME 'CAUSE I'M COMING OUT HERE AND CALLING OUT A GUY 'CAUSE HE'S HISPANIC AND PROBABLY LIKES ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I DON'T KNOW HIS POLITICS, BUT I KNOW THAT HE WANTS THE PRESIDENT TO DIE. AND I THINK THAT HE SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF THE DALLAS POLICE FORCE. AND OF COURSE, THE, THE CHIEF EDDIE GARCIA DOESN'T HAVE THE BALLS TO COME IN HERE AND FACE US MAN TO MAN. AND THAT'S WHAT'S SO PATHETIC. YOU GUYS CALL THIS THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMISSION. I SEE A COUPLE POLICE, I SEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT I NOT QUALIFIED TO STOP WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THIS CITY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE HAVING MY CAR BROKEN INTO ALL RIGHT. AND YOU GUYS TAX US OUT. THE MONEY THAT I PAY IN TAXES IN THIS CITY IS RIDICULOUS. AND WHAT DOES IT GO TO? SO MAYOR JOHNSON CAN GO CHEAT ON HIS WIFE. SO, UH, CHIEF GARCIA CAN GET ANOTHER TATTOO, PLEASE ABOUT POLICE. JUST TALK, TALK TO US, PLEASE. YEAH. WELL, I'M SAYING THE, THE POLICE ARE UNDER THE MAYOR'S JURISDICTION. SO I'M SICK AND TIRED OF LIVING IN THE PLACE WHERE I GOTTA LIVE IN FEAR THAT THERE MIGHT BE A POLICE FORCE THAT MIGHT WANT OUR PRESIDENT DEAD. SO IF OUR POLICE FORCE WON'T PROTECT THE PRESIDENT, WHY WOULD THEY PROTECT ME? WHY SHOULD I HAVE ANY HOPE OR FAITH? AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, IF THEY THINK IT'S SO COOL TO GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND TYPE AIM BETTER, THAT'S DISGUSTING. WE ALMOST HAD THE WORLD CHANGE IN AN INSTANT. HEY, THANK YOU. WAS JUST DYING. YOUR TIME IS UP. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. OKAY, WELL, I MEAN, IT'S FUNNY THAT THIS, YOU WANT ME JUST, YOU KNOW, INTERRUPTED ME THE WHOLE TIME. HEY, YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU GUYS NEED TO DO, DO BETTER. MR. STEIN. HAVE, HAVE YOU FILED A COMPLAINT WITH, WITH THE OFFICE? OKAY, I FILED IT, DONE THE NORTHWEST POLICE DIVISION AND I POSTED THE VIDEO ONLINE, SEE COPY OF THAT VIDEO FILED. BUT HAVE YOU FILED A WRITTEN COMPLAINT WITH THE OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNT? UH, OVERSIGHT. I, I ACTUALLY DID THEM EMAIL, BUT ACTUALLY FILED A POLICE REPORT WITH THE NORTHWEST DIVISION THAT'S RIGHT AT NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'LL PROPERLY GET IT TO OUR JURISDICTION. IF YOU WANNA FILL OUT AND SIGN A COMPLAINT ONLINE, THAT'LL, UH, PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE OFFICE. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE DIELLE LANE, UH, DIELLE LANE. WE'D LOVE TO INVITE YOU, UH, FORWARD IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS. OKAY, YOU DECLINE AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. LANE. WE APPRECIATE IT. UM, AND THE, THE LAST, [00:15:01] UH, IN PERSON THAT WE HAVE IS, UH, JOHN, JOHN 10 KING, JOHN KING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, MR. KING. AND, UH, WHENEVER YOU BEGIN, WE'LL BEGIN YOUR THREE MINUTES. AND, UH, WHEN YOU HEAR THE BILL, PLEASE RESPECT, UH, THE THREE MINUTE TIMELINE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. FIRST OFF, UH, MY PRONOUNS ARE KING AND INFO, SO DON'T GET THAT CONFUSED, OKAY? UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF SAD TO WATCH YOU GUYS ALMOST BECOME LIKE THE CITY CALLED, UH, PORTLAND. YOU GUYS ARE ALL BECOMING METH HEADS, CRACK HEADS ALL THE WAY AROUND, OUT IN DALLAS. YOU KNOW, DALLAS USED TO HAVE A NAME FOR ITSELF. NOW YOU GUYS IS KIND OF BECOMING JUST LIKE A KNOCKOFF OF PORTLAND, YOU KNOW? OH, BY THE WAY, I'M RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL AND BEND GAN. SO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS VOTE FOR ME IF YOU WATCHING THIS AND BEND GAN. BUT YOU GUYS REALLY SHOULD STOP WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. LIKE MAYOR JOHNSON, YOU KNOW, HE'S A DODGE BOY. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE BIBLE, I'M SURE JESUS CHRIST, WOULDN'T IT BE APPROVING OF HIS ACTIONS? MR. KING, PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT ANYONE DISRESPECTFULLY. NO, I WASN'T TALKING BADLY, DIRECTLY ABOUT POLICE MATTERS. I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST FACTS THAT JESUS WOULD'VE NOT APPROVED OF THAT AT ALL. YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF ADULTERY YET. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A THING YOU SHOULD BE DOING IN THE BIBLE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS EVEN LISTENED TO THE YOUNG LADY THAT WAS DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT AGO. YOU GUYS, THESE POLICE OFFICERS WOULD BE BONING THE ELDERLY LADY HERE. INSTEAD OF STOPPING THE CRACK HEADS OUTSIDE AND THE METH HEADS AND HELPING THE HOMELESS PEOPLE THERE, POLICE OFFICERS WOULD ENJOY DEON OLDER LADIES ON THE ARMS. THEY, THEY GOT, SHE HAS VIDEOS OF THESE POLICE OFFICERS OF EVERY, ALL THE ABUSE THEY HAVE DONE TO HER. IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS LIKE DOING? ABUSING ELDERLY LADIES? IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS GET OFF ON? ABUSING OLD LADIES? NO. ANYONE? NO. OKAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD STOP ABUSING ELDERLY LADIES, YOU KNOW? OH MY GOODNESS. OH, MITCHELL, EVERY ONE OF YOU GUYS, IF YOU GUYS ARE WATCHING THIS, GO WATCH FISH TANK LIVE SEASON THREE. GO WATCH ICE BESIDE THIS UNCLE, GAME STREAM GUYS. IT'S GONNA BE PLACED IN AUSTIN, TEXAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE GETTING USED WITH CHILL GAS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE EXPOSED TO CHILL GAS IN THIS TEXAS COUNTRY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF MAKE FUN OF YOU GUYS. IT'S KIND OF FUNNY TO BE, TO BE QUITE HONEST, LIKE WATCHING YOU GUYS' CITY BECOME NEW F*****G PORK. LIKE WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG? YEAH. YEAH. FOUL LANGUAGE IS NOT ALLOWED. WHAT? NO, WHAT? FOUL LANGUAGE IS NOTHING. NO, NO. I PIECE IMPEDIMENT. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME. SORRY. UH, DON'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ME AGAIN, PLEASE. IT'S NOT RESPECTFUL AT ALL. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SAY? WHAT? NO, YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. I I'M FINISHING MY A FEW MINUTES. HEY, UH, ADDRESS, ADDRESS TO ME ONLY PLEASE ADDRESS WHAT, UH, THE RULES ARE. YOU CAN ONLY, UH, SPEAK TO ME AS THE CHAIR. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY DID HE SPEAK TO ME? AM I NOT SUPPOSED TO RESPOND WHEN YOU GUYS INTERRUPT ME? PUBLIC. PUBLIC. HE SPEAK TO ME FIRST. TELL HIM NOT TO SPEAK TO ME IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO TALK TO HIM AGAIN. OKAY? I, I CAN ONLY ASK YOU SPEAK TO JUST PEOPLE BACK IN LINE, GET HIS PEOPLE IN LINE, AND THEN I WOULD LINE UP AFTER YOU. OKAY? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. KING. APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOURS. PEOPLE LINING UP ANYWAYS. PLEASE FORCE TO REALLY STOP, YOU KNOW, BONING ELDERLY LADIES, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEN. HEY, THANK YOU MR. KING AND PRO OVER HERE, GUYS TALK. JAY. JOHN 10 BABY. JOHN 10. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE WITH, UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? IT DOESN'T APPEAR WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE. SO WE WILL, UH, NOW MOVE, UH, TO, UH, TAKING THE ROLE. WHAT WE'LL DO, UH, TO BEGIN IS, WELL ACTUALLY LET'S, UH, WE'LL GO DO A ROLL CALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT, UH, TO MAKE SURE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, EVERYONE HERE WHO'S PRESENT, UH, LISTED ON THE, UH, THE MINUTES. AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, DISTRICT ONE. AND, UH, WE'LL GO. AND IF YOU'RE PRESENT, JUST STAY PRESENT. AND IF YOU COULD, UH, ALSO JUST SAY YOUR NAME AS WELL, AND THE DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT. SO, UH, DISTRICT ONE, OZZIE SMITH. DISTRICT ONE, PRESENT. DISTRICT TWO. JONATHAN MAPLES. DISTRICT TWO. PRESENT. DISTRICT THREE. HIGGINS. TONGA. HIGGINS. DISTRICT THREE. PRESENT. DISTRICT FOUR. DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. PRESENT. DISTRICT FIVE. BRIAN BA. DISTRICT FIVE. PRESENT. DISTRICT SIX. DEREK GRAM. DISTRICT SIX. PRESENT. DISTRICT SEVEN. DISTRICT EIGHT. JUDGE. C VICTOR LANDER. DISTRICT EIGHT. PRESENT. DISTRICT NINE. ALLISON GREENER. ALLEN. DISTRICT NINE. PRESENT. [00:20:01] DISTRICT 10. MS. STEINFELD? UH, CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU HEAR US? OH, SORRY. YOU, I THINK YOU'RE ON MUTE, MS. STEINFELD, I'M SO SORRY. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. OKAY. IS THIS BETTER? OH, YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. OKAY. ARLENE STEIN, FIELD DISTRICT 11, PRESENT DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12 PRESENT. DISTRICT 13. DISTRICT 14, DISTRICT 14. BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT AND DISTRICT 15. I'M THE CHAIR. UH, JOHN MARK DAVIDSON, UH, PRESENT. I NOW WOULD LIKE TO CALL, UH, FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE MAY 14TH MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE MINUTES? LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR. I MOVE THE MINUTES BE APPROVED. I DIDN'T SEE ANY CORRECTIONS NECESSARY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, BOARD DISTRICT SWELL. SECOND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED. UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? UH, THE MOTION PASSES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 14TH MEETING. THANK YOU. UH, JUST WANTED THE BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, IT HERE. UH, AND SO, UH, THE, THE PURPOSE OF HAVING IT HERE IS TO MAKE SURE OUR CITY EMAILS, UH, ARE WORKING UP AND RUNNING. AND THE GOAL IS IF WE COULD HAVE EVERY, ALL OF US, UH, BY THE END OF THIS MEETING, AT LEAST HAVE ACCESS TO OUR CITY, UH, EMAILS. SO, UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, BUT, SO ONE AT ONE AT A TIME, IT WOULD YOU, WE PLEASE. YOUR, YOUR NAME IS CHRIS, IS DEON. DEVIN, UH, DEVIN'S THERE. UH, AND IF, IF WE COULD, UH, ONE AT A TIME, UH, MR. MAPLES HAVE, HAVE YOU, UH, BEEN ABLE TO GET YOUR, UH, UH, YOUR IT WORKING OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO? I HAVE NOT, BUT I'LL, OKAY. SO, UH, THE HOPE IS, IS THAT ALL OF US, ONE AT A TIME DURING THIS MEETING CAN, UH, CAN GO, UH, TALK TO DEVIN AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMAILS ARE ABLE TO BE ACCESSED, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THAT IS HOW THE COMMUNICATION IS FROM THE CITY. SO THAT'S OFFERED AND WILL BE, UH, FOR THE AVAIL AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, SUSPEND THE RULES SO THAT WE COULD MOVE ONE AGENDA ITEM, UH, CLOSER TO THE TOP. UH, DO I, DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO SUSPEND THE RULES? I MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND THIS ALLISON GRANTER, ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE. I MOVE THAT WE SUSPEND THE RULES TO BRING WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO THE TOP. JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT. I SECOND. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES. UH, DO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? I THANK YOU SO MUCH BOARD FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY. I, I DID, UH, WANT TO, UH, INTRODUCE, UH, THE NEW IAD DIRECTOR, UM, UH, MAJOR, UH, GREER GREER. AND, UH, IF YOU COULD COME ON DOWN, I KNOW, UH, IT'S LATER IN THE AGENDA, AGENDA ITEM, UM, H OF, UH, THREE H. UH, BUT I'D LOVE FOR HIM TO COME 'CAUSE THEY'RE, UH, WHILE WE SPEAK ABOUT THE, THE VIDEOS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE AN INTRODUCTION OF WHO HE IS, HIS BACKGROUND, UH, AND ALSO HIS, UH, UH, EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA SO THAT WE COULD, UH, APPROACH YOU. SO I WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME. THAT'S GOOD. AND I KNOW OFFICIALLY HE BECOMES A MAJOR, UH, TOMORROW. YEAH. BUT I, I, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO CALL YOU MAJOR TODAY IF, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, GOTTA GET TO IT. BUT I'M LIEUTENANT ANDREW MCGREER TODAY, TOMORROW I'LL BE THE MAJOR AND, AND MAJOR IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? I, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, LIEUTENANT ANTHONY GREER. UH, TOMORROW I'LL BE THE MAJOR OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS. I'M WELCOME TO BE HERE AT THE BOARD, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS. UM, LITTLE BIT OF MY BACKGROUND. I'VE BEEN ON THE DEPARTMENT FOR 26 YEARS. I'VE SERVED IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS AT ALL THE RANKS, UH, DETECTIVES, UH, SERGEANT LIEUTENANT. AND NOW I'LL BE THE MAJOR OVER THAT DIVISION, WHICH IS REALLY NEAT FOR ME. UM, I'VE BEEN PART OF THE TRAINING ACADEMY, SO I'LL TRY TO HELP YOU GUYS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. I'VE SERVED, BEEN IN-SERVICE, TRAINED ALL THE IN-SERVICE OFFICERS, AS WELL AS THE RECRUIT OFFICERS. I'VE ALSO BEEN AN FTO, UM, TRAINING OFFICERS AS THEY GET OUTTA THE ACADEMY ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO BE ON THEIR OWN. SO I HOPE TO BE A GOOD HELP FOR YOU, AND I'LL CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH MY CONTACT INFORMATION, UM, AND WILL BE A PRESENCE HERE AT THE BOARD, UH, MORE FREQUENTLY FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE. UH, CERTAINLY A OPEN BOOK FOR ANYTHING THAT I NEED OR, OR, OR YOU NEED TO KNOW FROM ME, UH, ANYTIME, ANY PLACE. UM, WITH ME TODAY, I HAVE, UH, THE TWO LIEUTENANTS THAT I WORK WITH, UH, LIEUTENANT MORRIS AND LIEUTENANT BLANCHARD. WE HAVE A NEW LIEUTENANT THAT'LL BE JOINING US TOMORROW. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE HERE AT THE BOARD MEETING NEXT MONTH ALONG WITH US. SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT [00:25:01] YOU HAVE TODAY, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER 'EM. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP IN MIND THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'LL DISCUSS TODAY, THEY'RE STILL BEING INVESTIGATED ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE, SO I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS. BUT, UM, AND AS FAR AS TRAINING IS CONCERNED, A LOT OF THE TRAINING QUESTIONS, I, I HOPE THEY'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER FOR YOU. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. UH, MR. THANK YOU. MAJOR, MAJOR GREER, MR. CHAIR? UH, YES. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? DR. GILBERT SMITH? YES. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. YES, MA'AM. YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND TIME SINCE THE BOARD HAS STARTED MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE AT YOUR LEVEL PRESENT. SO THIS IS REALLY NICE. WELL, GOOD. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD I I'M SURE WE'LL BE HERE MORE OFTEN TOO. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAJOR GREER FOR BEING HERE. AND AGAIN, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENCE, UH, HERE, UH, FROM THE IED. WE, UH, WE WOULD NOW LIKE TO MOVE, UH, TO, UH, THE REGULAR PART OF THE AGENDA, UH, THREE A, UH, THREE A, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE LANE INVESTIGATION, UH, THE CITY MANAGER REVIEW OUTCOME. AND, UH, THIS, UM, REVIEW OUTCOME PROVIDED BY THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER WAS READY LAST MEETING. UH, BUT DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE WERE UNABLE TO MEET LAST MONTH. UH, BUT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE WHAT THE CITY, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, UH, HER REVIEW. AND, UH, IT'S IN THE, THE PACKET BOARD. UH, AS FAR AS, UH, IT'S UNDER, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER ITEM TWO. DO YOU, YOU SEE IT? ANYBODY? WE HAVE DO, UH, BOARD MEMBERS. I KNOW, UH, BOARD MEMBER BOB DOES NOT HAVE, UH, THE LETTER FROM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER. UH, DO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS NOT HAVE IT IN THEIR, THEIR PACKET? WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE JUNE 10TH LETTER? YES, I HAVE IT. YEAH, CORRECT. JUNE 10TH. UH, THE, IT'S, UH, ADDRESSED AT JOHN MARK DAVIDSON. UH, IT'S A NOTICE OF ACTION UNDER ORDINANCE 37 32. I, OKAY. WELL, IF, IF THE BOARD COULD JUST TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, UH, UH, TO, TO READ IT JUST A LITTLE BIT. AND IF, IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS, UH, FROM, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S ASSESSMENT E ESSENTIALLY, UM, HER REVIEW, UH, SHE SAID, UH, BASED ON MY REVIEW OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION ADMINISTERED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE APPROPRIATE ACTION WAS TAKEN IN ISSUING LETTERS OF REPRIMAND AND PROVIDING SENSITIVITY TRAINING TO THE OFFICE OFFICERS. THE OFFICERS RECEIVED COMPREHENSIVE TRAINING ON THE FOLLOWING TOPICS. SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET, UH, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THIS, THIS INTERIM CITY MANAGER DID AGREE WITH THE DALLAS POLICE CHIEF'S HANDLING, UH, OF THE OFFICERS. I WANNA OPEN UP TO THE FLOOR OF THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT THIS RESPONSE FROM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER. SO I, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS HERE. UM, I'M NOTICING THERE'S LIKE A, A TABLE OF TOPICS THAT THEY RECEIVE SENSITIVITY TRAINING ON, UM, UH, WHICH I FIND INTERESTING. I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR US AT SOME POINT TO, UM, MAYBE ASK FOR A REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS OVER SENSITIVITY TRAINING AND TRAINING TO COME IN AND, AND, UH, GIVE US AN, A QUICK SUMMARY OF THESE, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TITLES, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, WHAT DID YOU LEARN? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS AMBER GEIGER CASE AND, AND OTHER, OTHER AREAS. SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO DO THAT AT SOME POINT. TAKING NOTE, TAKING, TAKING NOTE OF THAT. THANK YOU BOARD MEMBER, MEGANS. APPRECIATE THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD CHAIR? I HAVE A COMMENT, UM, IN REVIEWING THE LETTER, A COUPLE THINGS. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE LAYING OUT OF THE TOPICS AS BOARD MEMBER CHENGA ADDRESSED, UM, THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND I GUESS DELIVERED TO THE OFFICERS. UM, ONE THING WHEN I LOOK BACK OVER THE INCIDENT, UM, WHICH WAS AN AWARENESS ISSUE FOR ME AS WELL, NOT KNOWING THAT THIS, THAT THERE, UM, THERE WAS A LAW FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH A DISABILITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER IT IS AND ALL OF THAT, BUT WHAT I DON'T SEE IS THE AWARENESS OF THAT LAW AND OUR OFFICERS BEING TRAINED ON THAT, SO THAT WE WILL HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE AWARE OF THAT [00:30:01] AND CAN, YOU KNOW, TRANSMIT THAT INFORMATION TO THEIR FELLOW OFFICERS AND ALSO TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT A GENERALLY, UH, KNOWN, UM, STATUTE OR, OR LAW OR WHATEVER, UH, FALLS UNDER, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SEEING THAT WAS TRAINED ON HERE. I LOVE THESE SOFT SKILLS. THESE SOFT SKILLS ARE GOOD SKILLS, BUT THERE'S A HARD SKILL THAT I, I THINK WAS MISSED. UM, IF, IF I MAY, YES. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, UM, I DID ENGAGE, UH, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE AS WELL AS SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT TO IDENTIFY HOW TO CREATE AWARENESS REGARDING THIS TOPIC FOR BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND WE DID DEVELOP A PLAN. AND THAT'S CURRENTLY, UM, BEING REVIEWED. I AM GOING TO FOLLOW UP TO SEE WHAT THE STATUS OF, YOU KNOW, THAT PLAN IS. UH, BUT I'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD, UM, FOR THE NEXT MEETING. ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YES, DR. SMITH, IF WE RECALL AT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, THE CHIEF SAID THAT THE OFFICERS WERE NOT TRAINED ON THAT LAW. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED OR NOT. AND THAT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T TRAINED ON IT, THEY WERE UNAWARE. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DO WANNA THANK DIELLE LANE FOR BEING HERE AMONG US, UM, AND FOR THE BRAVERY AND COURAGE THAT HE, UM, HAS WALKED THROUGH, NOT ONLY FILING UP A COMPLAINT, BUT THIS IS A BIG NEWS STORY. AND I DO THINK THAT, UM, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT AND, UM, IT'S, IT WAS, IT WAS TOUGH TO WATCH AND SEE. AND I, I DO HOPE THAT GOOD CAN COME, UH, FROM SUCH AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT AS FAR AS OUR BOARD AND AWARENESS OF CERTAIN THINGS. SOME THINGS WERE EXPOSED, I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT AS THE MONTHS GO ON, UH, INVESTIGATION TIMES. I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO, TO EXPLORE MORE AS FAR AS OUR INTERACTION WITH IAD AND JUST HOW LONG THAT WAS AND, UH, A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PROCESS, I THINK ON OUR PART, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY'S PART, I THINK, UM, LIKE WHAT DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH MENTIONED, UM, WHAT IS BEING DONE RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE OFFICERS ARE LEARNING LAWS AND BEING UP TO DATE, AND WHAT HAPPENS IF AN OFFICER DOESN'T KNOW THE LAW? WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE? AND THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED, UH, WITHOUT THE COURAGE OF DIELLE LANE. AND I'M, I'M HOPING THAT, UH, WE AS A BOARD CAN TAKE AS THE MONTHS GO ON, WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THE INJUSTICES THAT WERE WITNESSED AND SOME OF THE FALLACIES THAT, UH, OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE SAW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS A BOARD TO, TO HELP THIS NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. SO, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK DONNELL LANE FOR BEING HERE AGAIN AND, UH, FOR YOUR COURAGE. ANY OTHER, UH, LAST COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YEAH. UH, MR. MAPLES, UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M SORRY I WAS BACK THERE TAKING CARE OF MY, UH, MY EMAIL WHEN YOU STARTED, BUT, UM, I'M NOT A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER. IT'S NOT A GIG I SIGNED UP FOR. HOWEVER, I AM A UNITED STATES MARINE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CODE OF CONDUCT, BUT AS IT WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS, I JUST SEE WORDS. I, I THINK ALSO WE NEED SOMEBODY TO COME IN HERE AND SAY, HEY, OR SEND US SOMETHING AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE TRAIN OR REPRIMAND ON PROFESSIONALISM OR POLICE AND MINORITY, WHATEVER. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S LIKE, UH, THIS, IT DOESN'T, IT, IT, IT SAYS SOMETHING, BUT TO BE HONEST, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BREAK IT DOWN AS TO WHAT WAS REALLY TAUGHT AND WHAT WAS REALLY RECEIVED BY THESE OFFICERS. SO IF WE CAN GET A BETTER, MAYBE A DEEPER EXPLANATION INTO WHAT TOOK PLACE HERE, I THINK IT WOULD, UH, WOULD HELP OUT. JUDGE LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT. I, I AM CONCERNED, AS HAS BEEN STATED BY A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS MEMO THAT INDICATES THAT THESE OFFICERS WERE TAUGHT THIS LAW. UH, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD HAVE, UM, POLICE MINOR MINORITY RELATIONS, REASONABLENESS VERSUS NECESSARY IN ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT NOT ANYTHING THAT SAYS, HOW DO YOU TREAT SOMEBODY WHO'S, UH, IS DISABLED? I THINK THAT'S A, AN APPROPRIATE, UM, THING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HERE. AND IT'S NOT. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. [00:35:01] AND I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO GET SOMEONE IN HERE TO TELL US, UH, WHAT KIND OF TRAINING THEY DO, UH, FOR SITUATIONS SUCH AS MR. LANES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, JUST WILLIAM HIGGINS, I, I JUST WANT TO, UH, KEEP ON OUR MINDS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO MORE. LIKE WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO MORE. LIKE IF WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME OF THIS, WE CAN ESCALATE THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO SAY THAT WE FEEL LIKE MORE SHOULD BE, COULD BE DONE, AND WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. NOW, THEY MAY NOT GO ANYWHERE, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE OWE IT TO MR. LANE, UM, TO DO THAT. IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS, IF THIS WAS SUFFICIENT, WE SHOULD DO OUR JOBS ALL THE WAY, UM, BECAUSE WE, THERE IS MORE THAT WE CAN DO FOR HIM, YOU KNOW? SO IF WE NEED TO, UM, UH, MAYBE DISCUSS WHAT KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS WE LOOK AT OR GET SOMEBODY TO CONSULT WITH US ABOUT THAT, ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE OR BEST PRACTICES OR WHATEVER, UH, WE SHOULD DO THAT. THANK YOU, MR. HIGGINS. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. REST ASSURED, I DO THINK THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE BOARD IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER DID, UH, CONCLUDE HER, UH, EVALUATION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE NEED TO CONCLUDE OURS. AND I THINK THAT AS, UH, THE MONTHS CONTINUE, UM, THE BOARD, PLEASE, WE TALK ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEMS AS WE BREAK UP INTO OUR SUBCOMMITTEES IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. UM, THIS CAN, UH, THIS CAN BE A TOPIC THAT WE TALK ABOUT TO LEARN FROM AND ARE, OF COURSE, THE PURPOSE IS THAT, SO THIS NEVER COULD HAPPEN AGAIN TO, TO ANYONE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS, THIS CASE WILL, UH, WILL BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN AMONG AS, AS WE CONTINUE. BUT I DID WANT TO SHOW THE MEMO ANY FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE, WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IN THAT CASE. UH, LET'S, LET'S MOVE NOW TO A REPORT, UH, AGENDA ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS A REPORT ON A CRITICAL INCIDENT, UH, JUNE 28TH, 2024, I BELIEVE. UM, SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE HAD FOUR CRITICAL INCIDENTS AND THREE HAPPENED BACK TO BACK TO BACK, WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT, UH, TODAY. AND, UH, THE CHAIR WILL NOW RECOGNIZE SIERRA , UH, WHO WILL GIVE, UH, HER REPORT ON THIS CRITICAL INCIDENT. WATCH THE VIDEO AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS. AND THANKFULLY, WE DO HAVE, UH, MAJOR GREER HERE, UH, AND QUESTIONS THAT HE CAN'T ANSWER NOTED. IT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, BUT I KNOW HE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING, UM, THAT HE IS ABLE TO ANSWER SIERRA. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ON FRIDAY, JUNE 28TH, OCPO RESPONDED TO AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, LOCATED AT THE 5,800 BLOCK OF BELTLINE ROAD. AT 7:02 PM DPD RECEIVED A DISTURBANCE CALL FROM A WOMAN BEING ATTACKED AND HELD AGAINST HER WILL BY WATKINS, WHO ALLEGEDLY HAD A KNIFE. OFFICERS ARRIVED TO FIND THE WOMAN BEING HELD IN A POSITION OUTSIDE A TENT WHILE WATKINS WAS INSIDE THE TENT WITH THE DOG. OFFICERS IDENTIFIED AN ALLEGED KNIFE IN HIS POSSESSION AND WAS ABLE TO RECOVER THE WOMAN AND REMOVE HER. OFFICERS. SPENT NEARLY AN HOUR ATTEMPTING TO DEESCALATE THE SITUATION WITH WATKINS, MAKING MULTIPLE REQUESTS FOR HIM TO DROP THE WEAPON. AFTER DEESCALATING EFFORTS WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. DPD OFFICERS ATTEMPTED TO USE LESS THAN LETHAL FORCE, INCLUDING PEPPER SPRAY, A TASER, AND A 40 MILLIMETER STINGER THAT SHOOTS NON-LETHAL PROJECTILES. WATKINS CONTINUED TO REFUSE COMPLIANCE, ALLEGEDLY THREATENING THE OFFICERS AFTER BEING HIT WITH A PROJECTILE IN THE KNEE. WATKINS ALLEGEDLY LUNGED THROUGH AN OPENING OF THE TENT AT OFFICERS WITH THE KNIFE IN HIS HANDS. OFFICERS FIRED AT WATKINS STRIKING HIM. OFFICERS ADMINISTERED AID TO WATKINS AT THE SCENE, AND WATKINS WAS TAKEN TO PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL WHERE HE WAS PRONOUNCED DECEASED. HE WAS 34 YEARS OLD. UM, AND ERIC WILL PLAY THE VIDEO ON THE SCREEN. YEP. GIMME JUST ONE SECOND TO WRITE THE VIDEO. IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 12 MINUTES TO VIDEO THAT WILL BE SHARING WITH YOU AND SIERRA. I KNOW WE, WE DID SEND THE VI VIDEOS OUT TO THE BOARD AHEAD OF TIME. YES. UH, AND SO, UM, I KNOW HOPEFULLY THE BOARD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SEE MOST OF IT. WELL, UM, OKAY. BUT ANYWAY, IF, IF THERE IS, UH, OF COURSE UNNECESSARY, UH, VIDEO FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE'VE ALL SEEN, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SENT THE VIDEOS, BUT, UH, GO AHEAD AND YEAH, WE'VE SHORTENED IT. COOL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MM-HMM, , [00:40:29] I THINK WE'RE UNABLE TO HEAR, UH, SOUND AT THIS TIME. ERIC, IT'S NOT, WAS THE VIDEO AUDIO NOT COMING THROUGH ON YOUR SIDE? YES, ERIC, WE COULDN'T, UM, WE COULD SEE THE VIDEO, BUT WE COULD NOT HEAR ANYTHING. I COULDN'T SEE IT. OH, YOU COULDN'T SEE IT? IT WAS FIRST. YEAH. THE, THE FIRST PART OF THE VIDEO IS A 9 1 1 CALL. UH, SO THAT WAS, UH, THE VIDEO WAS ON, BUT THE AUDIO WAS NOT, UH, ABLE TO BE HEARD. ALRIGHT. GIMME A SECOND TO TRY TO GET THAT FIXED FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ERIC. SURE. HEY ERIC, TRY TURNING UP THE VOLUME ON YOUR SIDE. THE, IT SAID THAT THEY COULD HEAR IT FROM THEIR AREA. SO, UH, DO YOUR BEST TO TRY TO, TO, UH, INCREASE THE VOLUME OUTPUT ON YOUR COMPUTER. OKAY. I'LL GIVE THAT A SHOT. IT WHAT? THE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE OF THIS INCIDENT. PLEASE DO YOU NEED POLICE, FIRE HELP? PLEASE HELP, PLEASE. I NEED THREATENING MY WIFE. I NEED HELP. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE? I'M IN, UM, UH, ROCK CREEK APARTMENTS IN THE WOOD. BE IN THE WOOD 200 APARTMENT. I'M TWO OLD LADIES ALONE. HE'S GOT KNIVES. HE THREATENING GIVE THE DOG AWAY, TAKE HIM AWAY FROM ME. OKAY. YOU SAID ROCK CREEK? ROCK CREEK APARTMENTS ON BOWEN ROAD. OH MY GOD. IS HE WHITE, BLACK, HISPANIC, WHITE? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS HE? WHITE, BLACK, HISPANIC. WHITE BLACK. WHAT COLOR SHIRT PANTS DOES HE HAVE ON? UM, UM, BLACK JEANS, JEANS, JEANS, SHIRT, SHIRT. OH MY GOD. OH GOD. MY BAD. 34 YEARS OLD. YOU DON'T KNOW THIS PERSON? I DO. HE HE WON'T LEAVE ME ALONE. PLEASE, PLEASE. I, I DON'T WANT NO OUTSIDE. SIT OUTSIDE. I DON'T WANT COME OUTSIDE. F*****G HURT. YES. WE'LL, ALRIGHT. HEY GUYS. LISTEN UP. YOU MALE COME OUT YOUR HANDS, BOTH HANDS. LEMME SEE YOUR HANDS REASON HURT. QUIET. BE QUIET. DON'T MY THE KNIFE. THE KNIFE. DROP THE F*****G KNIFE. DROP THE KNIFE THE KNIFE. DROP THE F*****G KNIFE. DROP THE KNIFE. NO, DROP THE KNIFE. DROP THE KNIFE [00:45:02] OUT THE MA'AM, GET OUT THE F*****G MA'AM. THE 10 OUT. F**K YOU. LEAVE MY DOG. LEAVE MY GET OUT THE 10 LET GO. HE'S LOOKING DOG. I DON'T HAVE HER. I HAVE MY DOG. LET HER GO. HEY, CAN I COME AND HELP HER? HELP? DON'T GET ANYWHERE NEAR ME. I'M GONNA COME AND HELP HER. OKAY. SO I CAN COME IN HER. RIGHT. I WANT MY, I MAN BAD FOOTS OFF. LOOK, I GOT NOTHING WITH MY HEAD. WANT IT NO MORE? I GOT NOTHING. DO HAVE TASERS? WELL THAT'S PART MY UNIFORM. I CAN'T TAKE IT OFF. I KNOW I CAN'T TAKE MY KNIFE OFF. PULL YOUR FOOT UP. OKAY. I'M ONLY HERE FOR HER. I RESPECT YOU MAN. ALRIGHT. OKAY. MAKE Y LOOK UP. I'M, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE Y'S LIVES ON MAN, YOU THAT I MAKE'S ON. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M, I'M, WHAT'S WRONG? WHAT'S HURTING? I'M A GOOD GUY, MAN. WHAT'S THAT NAME? SUITCASE ON THE BED. HEY, WHAT IS HER NAME? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S HER NAME? I NEED YOU TO GET UP AND HOP ON ONE FOOT ALONE. I NEED YOU TO HOP ON ONE FOOT. OKAY? ALRIGHT. I'M GONNA COME AND HELP HER OUT. OKAY? ME TOO. I NEED TO COME HELP HER. OKAY. AWAY. YOU STAY OVER HERE. STAY WITH ME. I'M GONNA HELP HER, OKAY? WE'RE NOT GONNA, CAN I HELP HER? YEAH, YOU CAN HELP HER. OKAY THEN YOU STILL RIGHT THERE. DON'T MOVE. STAY RIGHT HERE, DON'T YOU? F**K. HEY, DON'T MOVE. F**K COMING. YOU ARE APPROACHING ME, M**********R. HEY, BACK UP. YOU. HEY, I'M NOT PLAYING WITH YOU. HE'S RIGHT THERE. I'M GONNA BE WITH HER. OKAY? YOU GOOD? YES, I'M GOOD. ALRIGHT. HEY MISS, COME HERE. CAN YOU HOLD YOUR DOG? I GOT MY DOG. HOLD YOUR DOG. MA'AM, COME HERE. OKAY. GIMME YOUR HANDS. I LOVE YOU. GIMME YOUR HANDS MA'AM. KEEP MOVING BACK. OKAY, BACK. YOU WANT YOUR BAG? LEAVE ME ALONE. KEEP COMING BACK. KEEP COMING BACK. THERE'S A POLE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. GO ON THIS SIDE. MA'AM, GO ON THIS SIDE. THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. YOU CAN HELP ME STAND. I'M NOT, WELL COME OVER HERE SO I CAN HELP YOU STAND. THAT'S NOT GONNA HOLD YOU UP. I HAVE NOT. ALRIGHT. AWAY. CON CON. WE GOOD? HE SAID THERE, PUT THE WEAPONS DOWN. THAT'S NOT PUT PROTECTION. HEY, THAT'S FOR MY PROTECTION. OKAY. REASON ANYMORE THAT FOR MY PROTECTION. THIS IS MY HOME. NOT HIS MA'AM. ABOUT MY HOME. ALL OF MY BELONGINGS ARE IN THERE. HE HAS NO BELONGINGS IN THERE. THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT BELONG EXCEPT FOR A YEAH. BACK UP. DROP THE KNIVES AND COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP. FUCK'S UP, BABE. F*****G SEE. HE'S SO NICE, MAN. F**K. M**********R. GET BUDDY. GET UP BUDDY. GET UP BUDDY. SORRY. YOU GET AWAY FROM THAT OPENING. GET AWAY FROM THE OPENING FIRST. MORGAN. CAN'T GET THAT KNIFE FOR THAT. F**K ME B***H. F**K ME, B***H. F**K ME. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU IN THE CORNER. HE'S RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE. YEAH. PICKING UP KNIVES AND TALKING IT. IT AIN'T F*****G WORTH IT AIN'T STAY THERE. WHAT? I'M RELOADING THUNDER GUARD, FRED. I'M SORRY MAN. I LOVE YOU DUDE. PUT THE F*****G KNIFE DOWN. POP HIS KNEE WITH A 40. HE'S GOT THE F*****G KNIFE IN HIS HAND THOUGH. POP HIM IN THE KNEE WITH A CAR. [00:50:02] I GOT A F*****G SHOT. TAKE YOU DAYS MY LIFE AWAY. F**K Y'ALL. HEY, GOOD. MORE GOOD MORE. MAKE SURE WE HAVE AMMO FOR THIS FINGER. START. DROP IT. CUT. F**K. SCARED. I DON'T HAVE SIGHT. IS HE IN THE CORNER? HE'S RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE. DEAD. IT, IT'S F*****G WORTH MY LIFE. YOU TELL ME. KILL ME AND MY DAUGHTER. F**K. PUT THE F*****G DOWN. KNEE HIM. THE KNEE WITH ME AND MY DOG. DADDY. DAVID. MY AWAY. F**K Y'ALL. F**K DUDE. GOOD. MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE AM FOR THIS. HE'S ABOUT TO COME OUT. SIR. BACK UP. BACK UP, BACK UP BACK. EVERYBODY THE F**K UP, UP. HOLD UP, HOLD UP, HOLD UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIERRA. UM, WE'VE SEEN, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO WITNESS THREE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THIS CRITICAL INCIDENT. UH, AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS VIDEO. COMMENTS? QUESTIONS, UH, ANYTHING THAT THAT STOOD OUT, UH, IF WE COULD LIMIT OUR FIRST INITIAL, UH, TO TWO TO THREE MINUTES. ANYTHING WE SAY, GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL, IF THERE'S MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID, WE'LL HAVE A SECOND ROUND. BUT, UH, THE CHAIR I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UH, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH. WE WERE MADE AWARE, UM, THAT THERE WAS A UNIT FOR MENTAL HEALTH. AND I BELIEVE IN THIS SITUATION, IT MAY HAVE, IF THERE WAS SOMEONE TO ADVISE THE POLICE. AND EVEN IN JUST COMMUNICATION, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE UNDERSTOOD OR OR REAL, I KNOW HE UNDERSTOOD THE WORDS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SUNK IN MAJOR. AGREE. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO, UH, WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS THERE, UH, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A MENTAL HEALTH NEED? IS POLICE PREPARED TO, UH, TO USE OTHER TACTICS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, GUNS AND VIOLENCE IN THIS SITUATION THAT YOU KNOW OF? ALL OFFICERS ARE TRAINED IN DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES AND DEALING WITH OFFICER OR, UH, CITIZENS THAT ARE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND MENTAL BREAKDOWN ISSUES. UM, WE GO THROUGH TRAINING AT THE ACADEMY AS WELL AS, UH, CONTINUED IN-SERVICE ACADEMIES, UH, TRAINING REGARDING THAT ISSUE. UH, THE UNIT THAT YOU MAY BE SPEAKING OF MAY BE, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO, IT'S CALLED THE RIGHT CARE UNIT. THAT UNIT WILL RESPOND WHEN IT'S INSTANCES WHERE THERE'S NO VIOLENCE THAT'S OCCURRING AT THE TIME. UH, AND CERTAINLY THAT HAPPENS WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, CITIZENS THAT HAVE MENTAL BREAKDOWNS BUT THEY DON'T HAVE [00:55:01] A KNIFE. CITIZENS THAT HAVE MENTAL BREAKDOWNS THAT THEY MAY BE THREATENING TO DO SOMETHING, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT IMMINENT THREAT, UH, TO CARRY IT OUT. IMMINENT ABILITY TO CARRY IT OUT. UM, UH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THE, OUR TRAININGS. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM? YES. UH, ALLISON, ALLISON, TER ALLEN, DISTRICT NINE. I'M JUST WONDERING, AND MAYBE YOU CAN'T TELL ME AND I UNDERSTAND, UM, BUT THE, THE YOUNG LADY VICTIM WHO WAS EXTRICATED FROM THE TENT, DID SHE GIVE ANY BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF SUBSTANCES OR MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT THE MAN WAS GOING THROUGH? I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. 'CAUSE WE, UH, OF COURSE, LIKE I STATED BEFORE, SOME OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS ARE STILL AT THE, ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE. I CAN'T SPEAK TO UH, ANY OF THAT. AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW AT THIS TIME 'CAUSE WE HADN'T RECEIVED IT. UH, UH, STILL GOING THROUGH THAT INVESTIGATION PROCESS BOARD MEMBERS, UH, CHAIRMAN FREEMAN. YEAH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THE, THE NINE ONE ONE CALL WASN'T VERY CLEAR IN HERE. THE, THE AUDIO, UM, IT'S A LITTLE CLEARER WHEN YOU WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE. AND UM, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE HE WAS PRETTY MUCH TERRORIZING THE WOMAN IN THE TENT. HE HAD A KNIFE. UM, AT THE END OF THE VIDEO, YOU CAN SEE HE LUNGES FORWARD AND KNEW HE HAD A KNIFE. SO TO ME THIS LOOKED LIKE IT WAS CLEAN BOARD MEMBER SMITH. YEAH, I KIND OF AGREE. BUT, UH, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT FROM THE VIDEO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WISH SOME OF OUR OTHER VISITORS WERE PRESENT TO HEAR THAT WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, BASHING THE POLICE. I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO GIVE A COMMENDATION FOR OFFICER RENARD. I MEAN CALM, COOL, COLLECTED AND EVEN PUT HIMSELF IN BETWEEN DANGER TO PROTECT AND EX UM, EXTRACT, UH, THE YOUNG LADY OUT. I MEAN, TO ME THAT IS, YOU KNOW, UH, A PLUS POLICE WORK AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE DESERVE A COMMENDATION. UM, NOW TO KIND OF FLIP IT AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND PRUDE, BUT MAJOR I'D LIKE TO OR YOU TO JUST KIND OF ADDRESS TO US, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE ABOUT LANGUAGE, UM, AND PROFANITY. AND I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE A PRUDE. I USE PROFANE LANGUAGE MYSELF WHEN I GET RILED UP AS ANYONE DOES. BUT SOMETIMES I THINK THAT ADDS TO, YOU KNOW, THE INTENSITY OF THE SITUATION AND CAN GO IN A NEGATIVE ROUTE. UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL F BOMBS WERE DROPPED AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALREADY AS, UH, DR. GILBERT SAID YOU'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH A PERSON THAT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE HAVING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T JUST SOMETIMES INDIVIDUALS ARE AT THAT HEIGHTENED STATE. UM, WHAT'S KIND OF THE TRAINING POLICY AROUND, YOU KNOW, YOUR LANGUAGE? I KNOW IT'S TO DEESCALATE, BUT SOMETIMES THAT LANGUAGE DOES THE OPPOSITE, IF YOU WILL. UM, AS FAR AS, WE DON'T NECESSARILY TEACH THAT WE USE F-BOMBS OR ANY FOUL LANGUAGE, BUT, UM, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT OFFICERS ARE HUMAN AND, AND, AND FACED WITH IMMENSE STRESS THAT YOU, YOU'RE ACTUALLY THERE AT THE SCENE AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT, UH, SOME OF 'EM BEING TERRORIZED. YOU'RE FACED WITH THAT DEADLY FORCE THREAT. UM, THOSE WORDS CAN COME OUT, BUT IT'S NOTHING THAT THAT'S TAUGHT AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, PURPOSEFUL THAT WE TRY TO INFLICT UPON ANY, ANY CITIZENS. YEAH, I I MEAN I DON'T, I MEAN THEY WERE AT RISK OF DANGER AND ALL OF THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOME TRAINING TO TRY TO MAKE AWARENESS THAT SOMETIMES THOSE WORDS, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE ALSO TALKING A LOT OF TIMES CULTURALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOING CULTURAL AWARENESS, CERTAIN WORDS CAN TRIGGER CERTAIN THINGS IN DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS. SO JUST KIND OF WONDERING IF THAT WAS A TACTIC OR SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED WITH OFFICERS ABOUT DEESCALATING SITUATIONS. SURE. THAT, THAT DEESCALATION, ALL PARTS OF DEESCALATION ARE TO BRING A SITUATION FROM, FROM HERE DOWN. AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MINDSET THAT WE GIVE OFFICERS WHEN WE TEACH THAT DEESCALATION TRAINING. UH, WE SHOULD USE LANGUAGE THAT THAT'S MORE CALMING WHEN IT'S FEASIBLE AND APPROPRIATE. UH, BUT NOW SOMETIMES A HIGHER LEVEL OF LANGUAGE CAN BE THE, THE, THE CATALYST TO HELP START TO BRING IT DOWN. UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY OFFICER 'CAUSE I'M NOT IN EVERY OFFICER'S SITUATION, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, TO THINK ABOUT THAT, HEY, KINDA LIKE YOUR MOM YELLS AT YOU TO GET YOU UNDER CONTROL. AND, AND IN ESSENCE, MY MOM WAS DEESCALATING IT WHEN SHE KIND OF YELLED AT ME, BUT SHE DID GO HERE TO BRING ME DOWN. SO, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. YEAH. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND OFFICER BERNARD. I THINK HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THAT SITUATION. YES, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I GOT, UH, YES, THE JONATHAN MAPLES, UH, THE, UH, DISTRICT TWO, UM, SHE GAVE A ADDRESS. WHAT WAS THAT ADDRESS AGAIN? WHAT WAS THE ADDRESS YOU YOU READ OFF? BECAUSE THAT LOOKED LIKE A, A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT? YEAH, [01:00:01] IT WAS, I BELIEVE, SORRY, IT WAS 5,800 BLOCK OF BELTLINE ROAD. 5,800 BLOCK OF BELTLINE. OKAY. IT, IT'S BEHIND THE TOM THUMB. IT'S UH, AT BELTLINE IN PRESTON AT BELTLINE. IT'S RIGHT ALONG, THERE'S, THERE, THERE'S WOODS RIGHT ALONG WHITE ROCK CREEK. BETWEEN, BEHIND THERE'S, THERE'S APARTMENT CO THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND THE TOM THUMB, AND THEN THERE'S WOODS, AND THEN THERE'S WHITE ROCK CREEK. YOU SAID BELTLINE AND PRESTON. OKAY. YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW THE, I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL. OKAY, SO IT'S RIGHT UP NEAR ADDISON THERE? YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. UM, YEAH, 'CAUSE DALLAS GOES AWAY AND DALLAS COMES BACK IN THAT AREA. WHEN I SAY GOES AWAY AND COME BACK, I MEAN THE JU DISTRICT, THE JURISDICTION, UH, CHANGES RIGHT. AS IT RELATES TO RIGHT CARE, THERE'S ONLY WHAT ABOUT FOUR RIGHT. CARE UNITS AND THAT'S MOVING AROUND IN THE CITY AT ANY GIVEN TIME. IS THAT IS ABOUT RIGHT? MAJOR? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, I'M, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE EXACT NUMBERS FOR HOW MANY THEY HAVE ON DUTY AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME. OKAY. I DO KNOW IT'S A, IT'S AN ENTIRE UNIT AND, UH, THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE IN, IN GETTING ALL THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL NUMBERS I DO NOT KNOW. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, I, I AGREE THAT THAT OFFICER HANDLED THAT WELL BECAUSE IN THE REPORT IT SAYS THEY WERE NEGOTIATING WITH HIM FOR AN HOUR AND PROBABLY DEALING WITH SOMEONE ON THAT MAGNITUDE IN AN HOUR TRYING TO GET HIM TO COME OUT TRYING TO, UH, REMOVE THAT YOUNG LADY FROM THAT HOSTILE SITUATION. I THINK A FEW F-BOMBS WOULD BE JUSTIFIED. THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL UNDERSTANDING OF IT. UM, BUT I THINK IT WAS A CLEAN SHOOT. I MEAN, THE GUY LUNGED WITH THE KNIFE AND, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE ENDS TO THAT MEANS. THANK YOU. YES. BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. SERGEANT HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UH, MS. OSU, UM, THAT YOU MENTIONED IN HERE IN AN O-O-C-P-O ANALYSIS THAT, UM, THERE WAS QUESTIONS AROUND THE TACTICAL RATIONALE REGARDING THE POSITION OF OFFICERS AND THE URGENCY AND NECESSITY TO ENGAGE FORCE. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S MY CALL TO CALL IT A CLEAN SHOOT, BUT I KNOW IN THE YEARS THAT I HAVE SEEN CRITICAL INCIDENTS AND SHOOTINGS BY THE POLICE, ONE THING THAT I ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT DEESCALATION, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATING SPACE IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, UH, BY OFFICERS IN REVIEW BOARD MEETINGS AND OVERSIGHT BOARD MEETINGS ACTUALLY. UM, I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO I WAS WONDERING WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS DID, DID, DID YOU HAVE WHEN, UM, WHEN LOOKING AT THIS? UM, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE SPACING OF WHERE THEY WERE. YEAH, YEAH. THE TACTICAL RATIONALE. 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS A DEADLY WEAPON AND I'M, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR BEING SO CLOSE WHEN YOU COULD HAVE CREATED ENOUGH SPACE FOR YOU TO COME OUT WITHOUT IT BEING HIM TO COME OUT, EVEN IF HE LUNGED OUT WITHOUT IT BEING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO RE UH, CONTROL THE SITUATION WITH DEADLY FORCE, SO RIGHT, RIGHT. IT WAS REVOLVING, IT WAS INVOLVING THE SPACE IN WHICH, HOW CLOSE THEY WERE TO MR. WATKINS YEAH. AND WHERE THEY WERE AS FAR AS THE TENT AND THE OPENING. AND IF THE QUESTION WAS WERE THEY ABLE TO GO AROUND AND SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TENT INSTEAD OF STANDING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF HIM AND GIVE HIM SPACE TO COME OUT? AND SO THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT WE ASKED. MM-HMM. SO ONE MORE QUESTION TO, UH, THE SOON TO BE MAJOR, UM, WHAT, I MEAN IF THERE, IS THERE SOME KIND OF QUICK OVERVIEW YOU COULD GIVE US ABOUT LIKE, TRAINING WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE DEESCALATING SITUATIONS OR EVEN TACTICALLY WHERE Y'ALL TAUGHT, HOW YOU'RE TAUGHT TO, WITH, TO USE SPACE TO YOUR ADVANTAGE OR TO NEUTRALIZE THREATS? SURE. I, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. UM, NOW I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, UH, NOT THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, BUT ALL OFFICERS ARE TAUGHT TO USE, UH, THREE, THREE FACTORS, UH, TIME, DISTANCE, AND COVER. I'LL GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT TIME, MEANING THAT THE MORE TIME WE CAN TAKE WITH AN INSTANT, THE MORE LIKELIHOOD WE CAN COME TO A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT ON ALL INSTANCES. SO IF WE TAKE OUR TIME, WE DON'T RUSH IN, UH, WE, WE UTILIZE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE TO SLOW THE, IN THE INSTANCE DOWN, WE CAN GET A BETTER VIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND, UH, TIME, DISTANCE. NOW, THE DISTANCE FACTOR HAS TO DO WITH, THE FURTHER, UH, A THREAT IS THE MORE TIME I HAVE TO [01:05:01] REACT TO THAT THREAT. MM-HMM, . SO, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, IF I HAVE A PERSON OVER WAY OVER THERE IN THAT CORNER AND THEY ARE THREATENING WITH WHATEVER, UH, WEAPON THAT YOU WANTED TO IMAGINE, I'M GONNA HAVE MORE TIME TO REACT WAY BACK HERE. NOW, THE CLOSER I GET TO THAT PERSON, THE LESS LIKELY I'M GONNA HAVE A TIME TO REACT. AND THE LESS, LIKE THE, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT I'M GONNA GET THAT GOOD RESOLUTION. IT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE WE ALL WANT. UH, AND NOW THE COVER ISSUE COVER CAN MEAN TWO THINGS. COVER CAN MEAN PHYSICAL COVER, PHYSICAL COVER, OR OBJECTS, UM, UH, UH, HARD COVER, MEANING THIS TABLE, WHICH MEANS THAT WOULD BE A FORM OF COVER THAT WOULD SLOW SOMEONE DOWN FROM GETTING TO ME. I COULD USE THIS COVER TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM WHATEVER WEAPON THAT THEY HAVE. THAT'S ONE FORM OF COVER. THE SECOND FORM OF COVER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT O OTHER OFFICERS PRESENCE. UH, WE, WHEN WE CALL FOR COVER, THAT MEANS OTHER OFFICERS COME. UH, AND WE USE THOSE THREE THINGS IN LAYERS WHEN THEY ARE AVAILABLE. AND I CANNOT STRESS THAT ENOUGH. EVERY INSTANCE, THOSE, UH, THINGS ARE NOT AVAILABLE. SOME INSTANCES YOU MAY HAVE TWO, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THREE. SOME YOU MAY JUST HAVE ONE. BUT WE TRY TO GET THOSE THINGS IN PLACE, UH, TO UTILIZE IT TO, TO GET THE PIECE OF RESOLUTION THAT WE WANT. AND IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, YES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I THINK, UH, I THINK FOR ME TOO, JUST, UH, I THINK THIS IS AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION. I, I DO NOT THINK A LIFE NEEDED TO HAVE BEEN LOST HERE. UM, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE LADY WHO HAD CALLED THE, UH, MADE THE INITIAL CALL WAS RESCUED AT SEVEN TWENTY THREE AND THEN THE VIDEO CUTS OUT AND THEN WE GET BACK AT 8:05 PM SO, YOU KNOW, 40 MINUTES TRANSPIRED THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENED. AND I'M SO CURIOUS 'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE WHEN THE VIDEO, UH, WHEN THE LADY WAS FREED, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN WE GET CUT BACK TO THE VIDEO, IT'S, IT'S VERY ESCALATED. AND I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS. I'LL BE, I THINK PERSONALLY I'LL BE, UM, KEEPING AN EYE ON THE INVESTIGATION AND, AND, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RESULTS ON THIS. JUST 'CAUSE I'M, I AM KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED DURING THOSE 40 MINUTES AND WHY IT ESCALATED SO MUCH. UM, BUT I GUESS WHEN THE INVESTIGATION COMES OUT, WE CAN HAVE MORE ANSWERS ON THAT. BUT, UH, WELL, IF NO, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, UM, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. OH YES. BOARD MEMBER. HIGGINS LAST COMMENT WAS, UH, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, MS. OBSU, WAS THAT ALL THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE FROM ALL THE OFFICERS? UM, THAT WAS THE, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS WHAT WE RIE FROM DVD'S, YOUTUBE PAGE. UM, SO THAT WASN'T ALL THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY OFFERED TO THE PUBLIC. I MEAN, WERE THERE MORE OFFICERS PRESENT THAT MIGHT HAVE HAD BODY WORN FOOTAGE AS WELL? THOSE, I BELIEVE THOSE THREE OFFICERS FOR THAT SPECIFIC INCIDENT WITH WATKINS, AS FAR AS THE MM-HMM. , THE, THE YOUNG LADY BEFORE. THERE'S BODY CAM FOOTAGE OF THAT, BUT THOSE THREE OFFICERS WERE THE ONES THAT WERE PRESENT. OKAY. MAJOR GRU. I KNOW THIS IS AN INVESTIGATION. CAN YOU TELL US HOW LONG YOU THINK THIS CASE WILL, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE NORMAL LENGTH OF INVESTIGATION LIKE THIS? UH, I KNOW YOU CAN'T GIVE US AN EXACT TIME, BUT IS IT MONTHS, WEEKS? WELL, DEPENDING UPON HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET THROUGH THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THAT CAN PROLONG THINGS. AND I'D HATE TO SPEAK TO THAT BEFORE IT EVEN, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST NOT THERE TO BE EVEN ABLE TO MAKE THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW. SO, UH, MAYBE NEXT MEETING I MAY BE ABLE TO VISIT WITH YOU AND GET MORE INFORMATION. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT GOES, RIGHT NOW IT'S IN THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT. AFTER THEY'RE DONE, IT GOES TO YOU GUYS. IS THAT RIGHT? OR IS ONCE THEY FINISH, IS IT, IS IT, IS IT DONE? WHAT'S THE PROCESS ON THAT? UH, NORMALLY ANY, UM, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING INVESTIGATION'S GONNA START OFF AT THE SIU AND THEN IT MOVES TO OVER TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE THERE'S A CRIMINAL ASPECT TO IT THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S OVER WITH, THEN IT WOULD MOVE OVER TO US. OKAY, COOL. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE OFFICE IF YOU COULD JUST KEEP US POSTED ON THIS. I'M JUST KINDA CURIOUS THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION. SO, UH, CAN YOU MAKE A NOTE TO JUST KIND KEEP US ABREAST OF THE, OF THE RESULTS OF THIS INVESTIGATION? THANK YOU. HEY, CHAIR. I HAD A, I HAD A QUESTION. UH, UH, MS. SIERRA, YOU SAID THAT WAS, THAT IS WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US, OR YOU PULLED IT FROM YOUTUBE? OR IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? SO THAT WAS WHAT WAS GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES. THAT'S WHAT WAS GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC. RIGHT. SO WHAT'S UPLOADED TO YOUTUBE FOR THE PUBLIC IS WHERE THE BOARD GETS THIS INFORMATION AS WELL. WELL, IT'S ON DPDS, UM, WEBSITE. WE CAN REACH OUT TO, UM, IED AND GET OTHER FOOTAGE THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE AND WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE, UH, BOARD, UM, PORTAL. SO, SO SHAREPOINT THAT WORKS. BUT, BUT MY QUESTION IS, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION. SO IF WE'RE THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC'S HAS PUBLIC SENTIMENTS, [01:10:02] WHY ARE WE SAYING THINGS THE SAME THING THAT THE SAME TIME THE PUBLIC'S SEEING IT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I MEAN, I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT JIVING WITH ANYTHING THAT I'M SAYING? WE'RE THE BOARD, SO THE BOARD GETS TO SEE IT WHEN THE PUBLIC GETS TO SEE IT, NOT THE BOARD GETS TO REVIEW IT. WE GIVE AN ASSESSMENT AND THEN THE PUBLIC GETS TO SEE IT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PUBLIC SEES THE SAME THING WE'RE SEEING AT, IN, IN, IN REAL TIME THAT WE'RE SEEING IT. I MEAN, THAT JUST, I MEAN, THAT JUST SEEMS KIND OF BACKWARDS TO ME. YES. IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS KIND OF BACKWARDS TO ME. I, I DON'T KNOW, JUDGE SPEAK. SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT THIS VIDEO IS RELEASED SHORTLY AFTER THE SHOOTING, USUALLY WITHIN 24 TO 72 HOURS AFTER THE SHOOTING. SO IT'S PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. UM, BUT THERE IS OTHER FOOTAGE AVAILABLE. WE HAVE, THIS IS CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION, UM, I BELIEVE WAS STATED. SO WE WILL HAVE TO SEE IF IT'S AVAILABLE TO UPLOAD, BUT WE DEFINITELY CAN CHECK ON THAT AND UPLOAD ANY DOCUMENTS OR VIDEOS THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT'S NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION OR THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD. YEAH, I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS, THIS ISN'T THE NORM THAT THE PUBLIC GETS TO SEE IT. 'CAUSE I COULD BE SITTING AT HOME ON YOUTUBE AND SEE A VIDEO AND I'M GOING, WAIT A MINUTE NOW. WE HAVEN'T SAW THAT AS A BOARD. KINDA LIKE, WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. LANE? HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? OH, WE DIDN'T KNOW. WAIT, WE DIDN'T KNOW. I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE NORM. AND I SEE SOMEBODY IN PUBLIC AND THEY SAY, HAVE YOU SEEN YOUTUBE ABOUT THAT SHOOTING? I'M BE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE FIGURE OUT HOW THAT PART OF IS GONNA BE HANDLED. BECAUSE IF WE'RE THE BOARD, THEN WE NEED TO BE TREATED AS SUCH. SO, I, I I, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST KIND OF AT A LOSS OF WORDS RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR THE WAY THAT LOOKS AND HOW IT'S RATTLED AROUND IN MY MIND. BUT I I'M SURE WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES ALLISON CR ALLEN. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THE, THAT THE ORDINANCE HAS A SPECIAL PROVISION IN IT FOR CRITICAL INCIDENTS JUST LIKE THIS, THAT WE HAVE SPECIAL NOTICE AND THE ABILITY TO COME TO THE SCENE AND DO, UM, INVESTIGATORY CERTAINLY MORE THAN JUST WATCHING DPDS YOUTUBE. UM, AND I'M SURE, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT GONNA ASK ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT, BUT IS IS, IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE WATCHING THE YOUTUBE RELEASE BECAUSE THIS MEETING IS PUBLIC? OR IS IT PERHAPS BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE SEARCH FOR A PUBLIC OR A, A PERMANENT DIRECTOR, AN INVESTIGATOR AND THAT SORT OF THING? I MEAN, IT, IT, IT MIGHT POSSIBLY BE THAT THIS IS DURING A SORT OF INTERIM PERIOD FOR US, BUT I, I GUESS THIS IS NOT THE NORM, RIGHT? FOR A PUBLIC FORUM, THIS IS THE NORM. IF WE PAY, IF WE PLAY THE VIDEOS, THAT IS THE RAW FOOTAGE, THERE IS SOME INFORMATION IN THOSE VIDEOS THAT SHOULDN'T BE, UM, PLAYED IN A PUBLIC FORUM. SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING, YES, BUT TO THE SHAREPOINT DRIVE FOR BOARD MEMBERS, THEN THAT VIDEO THAT IS AVAILABLE SHOULD BE UPLOADED THERE. EXCUSE ME. YES. UM, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE HAD A DIRECTOR, BUT IN THE PAST, THOSE VIDEOS WERE REVIEWED BY, UM, OUR INVESTIGATOR AND THE THINGS WERE REMOVED THAT SHOULD NOT BE SEEN. AND WE ACTUALLY SAW VIDEO OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON YOUTUBE. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? UH, THOSE THAT WERE ON THE BOARD? I, I THOUGHT MY, MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT WE DID SEE YOUTUBE VIDEO, THE LAST DIRECTOR. UH, WAS IT ON HOW IT WAS IT IT WAS BOTH. YEAH. HERE I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE SAW THE FULL VIDEO 'CAUSE THERE WASN'T ANY, YOU KNOW, DOCKING OF ANY INFORMATION. WE HEARD NAMES, ET CETERA. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY WE SEE THE YOUTUBE HERE SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC FORM. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS, I, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT THERE IS A POLICY THAT DPD IS TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT AND GET VIDEO AND INFORMATION OUT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. SO I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT JEOPARDIZES THAT, BECAUSE OUR PUBLIC DOES NEED TO SEE THAT INFORMATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THE INTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE THING IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS I WANT TO KNOW THAT IF AN INCIDENT COMES UP AND VIDEO IS PROVIDED, I JUST NEED CLARITY THAT THIS IS ALL THE VIDEO AVAILABLE. ONE, TWO, THIS IS ALL THE VIDEO THAT IS AVAILABLE. THIS IS NOT ALL THE VIDEO THAT [01:15:01] IS AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S UNDER INVESTIGATION AND THE X HASN'T BEEN RELEASED. AND I THINK THAT'S THE ASSURANCE THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING TO, TO REVIEW AND MAKE OUR DECISIONS. AND SO TO ME, THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION. THE SECOND PIECE. THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS ON, UH, YES. BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN? UH, WHAT'S YOUR COMMENT? UH, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14. UM, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN THE PAST, OVER A YEAR AGO, UH, WE USED TO GET ACCESS TO THE FULL LONGER VERSIONS OF THE VIDEOS ON THE SHAREPOINT. AND THEN THAT WAS MORE INFORMATION THAN WAS RELEASED ON YOUTUBE OR TO THE PUBLIC. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S ASKING IS WHY WE'RE NOT GETTING THE SHARE. DO WE STILL HAVE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE SHAREPOINT OR IF THOSE FULL VIDEOS ARE THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT IN AN EMAIL. I DON'T THINK. YOU MAY NOT HAVE RECEIVED IT THIS, UM, GO ROUND. BUT PREVIOUSLY, PRIOR TO A YEAR AGO, I THINK EVEN MAYBE IN FEBRUARY WAS THE LAST IT WAS UPLOADED. UM, SO THAT IS THE NORMAL PROCESS. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS UPLOADED, UM, FOR THIS MONTH'S MEETING. BUT THAT IS THE NORMAL PROCESS AND WE WILL, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE REST OF THE VIDEOS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ARE UPLOADED. YEAH, JUST SO TO STATE THAT SO THE OFFICE KNOWS, UH, I THINK THE BOARD, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THE BOARD'S DESIRE FOR ALL THAT FOOTAGE. AND SO, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE FOLLOWING MONTH, IF WE COULD GET THAT SHAREPOINT BACK UP AND RUNNING AND UPLOAD ALL THE VIDEOS THAT, THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO SEE AS BOARD MEMBERS, UH, I THINK THE BOARD DESIRES TO BE, UM, GIVEN ALL THE INFORMATION AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AT, AT A, AT A PUBLIC MEETING, THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. BUT I THINK FROM A BOARD PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT INFORMATION. SO ANYWAY, IF WE, IF WE COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT SHAREPOINT'S UP AND FOR THE NEXT MEETING, MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY, EVERYTHING, JUST UPLOAD IT. AND, UH, THAT THAT'D BE HELPFUL. YEAH. YEAH. LET'S CALL. I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YEAH, MY, MY EMAIL IS WORKING NOW, SO I'LL, I'LL BE LOOKING. IT'S FIRST START, MAN. I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A LINK TO SHAREPOINT BECAUSE I'M SURE I MISSED SOMETHING. YES. YEAH. AND, AND AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER, IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT YOUR EMAIL SET UP, THIS IS A GOOD REASON WE HAVE THE IT BACK THERE RIGHT NOW. SO ONE BY ONE, PLEASE GET THAT SET UP BECAUSE, UH, THIS WILL BE OUR, OUR, UH, ACCESS TO SHAREPOINT WILL BE THROUGH THE DALLAS.GOV, UH, EMAIL. AND, UH, AND WE, WE JUST WANNA MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT WE DO DESIRE THAT INFORMATION. SO, CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO HAVE IT ON RECORD. I DO NOT HAVE AN EMAIL. HAVE, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO THE IT OKAY. , THERE'S MORE TO THIS STORY. WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT, WE'LL GET TO THAT. WELL, IT'S ON RECORD. IT'S IN THE, IT'S GONNA BE IN THE MINUTES. NEXT. WE'LL, WE'LL APPROVE THE, THIS COMMENT. YEAH. WELL, LET'S, UH, LET'S MOVE NOW TO, UH, UH, ITEM THREE C, UH, CRITICAL INCIDENT ON JULY 4TH, 2024. UH, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE OCPO MEDIATION MANAGER, CHRISTOPHER CLARK IS JOINING US ONLINE. UH, CLARK, IF YOU COULD, UH, WALK US THROUGH THIS, UH, CRITICAL INCIDENT. AND, UH, THE, THE FLOOR IS YOURS AT THIS TIME. OH, CLARK, I'M SORRY. I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ON MUTE. UH, I CAN HEAR YOUR LIPS. SEE YOUR LIPS, BUT I CAN'T HEAR YOU. WE, UH, WHILE WE WAIT FOR HOW WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, AND WE'LL GO BACK TO, UH, CLARK WHEN HE GETS HIS, HIS MIC FIXED. UH, COULD WE MOVE NOW TO, UH, 3D, WHICH IS THE CRITICAL INCIDENT ON JULY 25TH? UH, SIERRA, WOULD YOU BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THAT NOW? UH, IN, IN THAT CASE, UH, THE CHAIR. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3D. UM, AND THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES OCPO POLICY ANALYST SIERRA OSU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. ON THURSDAY, JULY 25TH, OCPO RESPONDED TO AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING LOCATED AT THE LAKESIDE APARTMENTS IN THE 9,600 BLOCK OF GULF LAKES TRAIL AT 1:20 PM DPDS, NORTH CENTRAL CRIME RESPONSE TEAM RECEIVED AN ALERT FROM A FLOCK LICENSED PLATE READER INDICATING A STOLEN VEHICLE FROM FRISCO WAS IN THE VICINITY OF HIGHWAY 75 AND WALNUT HILL LANE UNDERCOVER OFFICERS SUBSEQUENTLY LOCATED THE STOLEN VEHICLE WITHIN THE PARKING LOT APARTMENT COMPLEX. UNIFORMED PATROL UNITS WERE DISPATCHED TO THE SCENE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT. UPON THEIR ARRIVAL, OFFICERS OBSERVED FOUR OCCUPANTS WITHIN THE STOLEN VEHICLE, LAMPKIN, SCARBOROUGH, BRYCE PRICE, MOORE, AND, AND UN IDENTIFIED INDIVIDUAL. AS OFFICERS APPROACHED THE VEHICLE, THE DRIVER IDENTIFIED AS PRICE [01:20:01] TRIED ACCELERATING, STRIKING TWO POLICE VEHICLES. THE IMPACT CAUSED THE STOLEN VEHICLE TO BECOME LODGED ON THE HOOD OF DPD OFFICER STEED AND GOALIE'S. PATROL CAR RESULTING IN THE EJECTION OF ALL FOUR OCCUPANTS. MOORE WAS IMMEDIATELY APPREHENDED ON THE GROUND WHILE LAMPKIN SCARBOROUGH EXITED THE VEHICLE, ARMED WITH A HANDGUN OFFICER MARKS FIRED HIS WEAPON THROUGH THE REAR WINDOW OF HIS PATROL CAR STRIKING LAMPKIN SCARBOROUGH. LAMPKIN SCARBOROUGH CONTINUED ON FOOT AND WAS LATER APPREHENDED. MEDICAL AID WAS ADMINISTERED BY OFFICERS IN LAMPKIN. SCARBOROUGH WAS TRANSPORTED, TRANSPORTED TO DALLAS PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL, WHERE DALLAS FIRE RESCUE, WHERE HE'S CURRENTLY IN STABLE CONDITION. PRICE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY APPREHENDED WITHIN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AND TRANSPORTED TO PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL FOR COMPLAINTS OF CHEST PAIN. AND ERIC SIERRA WHILE, UM, LOOK AT THE VIDEO NOW. IT SHOULD BE, UH, ABOUT A 12 MINUTE VIDEO. WHILE ERIC'S GETTING THAT VIDEO UPLOADED, UH, THERE, WERE THERE ANY LIVES LOST IN THIS CRITICAL INCIDENT? NO. OKAY. I NEED A VOLUME UP. WE DON'T HEAR ANY SOUND AT THIS TIME. I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THERE'S A 32ND DELAY. SHOULD WE BE HEARING SOMETHING THERE? THERE IS A 32ND DELAY FOR THE AUDIO FOR THIS ONE, I BELIEVE. HERE WE ARE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU . GOD, YOU GOOD. SHOT THE FIRED AND HE WOKE UP. CODE 600 TRAIL. BE THE EARL BLACK BLACK. CAN YOU BLACK MALE OVER HERE, SIR. LOOKS LIKE HE'S ON THE PHONE. HE'S RUNNING THOUGH. THEY'RE RUNNING YELLING. PULL OUT. HE GOT A LITTLE MORE BLOCK AND I PULLING BEHIND. BEHIND. WE DON'T HAVE TIME. WE'RE COMING IN HOT NOW. WELL, I FALLING BEHIND HIM, TYLER. HE CAN'T GET TO GO INTO REVERSE. KEEP ON COMING. KEEP ON GOING THE DUMPSTER. OH S**T. GOD DAMNIT. GOOD. THE F*****G S**T, TIM. GOOD, GOOD. HE RUNNING, HE'S RUNNING DOWN. HE'S GONNA BE RUNNING WEST OF THE COMPLEX. HEADING TOWARDS THE PAPER BUSTER. HE DROPPED HIS GUN OVER HERE BY THE BUILDING. JOHN. [01:25:16] OH, YOU F*****G MOVE. GET ON THE GROUND NOW. WHAT A GOOD POINT. WEST SOUTHWEST CORNER. HE'S ON A WHITE SHIRT. BUT GET ON THE F*****G GROUND. FACE DOWN. LOOK AT YOUR F*****G MOVE. YOU BEHIND THE FENCES. ARE YOU BEHIND THE BUILDING TO THE FENCE? QUARTER. YOU F*****G POINT A PHONE M**********R. F*****G START AN AMBULANCE. YOU F*****G HIT GOD. DAMNIT. GO GET THAT KID WHERE YOU HIT AT. ON SIDE. OKAY? HEY, YOU GOT GO KEVIN? YEAH, HERE. IT'S OUT THERE. WHAT IS YOUR NAME? ERIC. ERIC WHAT? GLOVES? YEAH, I GLOVES ON YOU. I GOT KNIFE. I GOT 7 24 20 FOURTH SOUTHWEST COURT. ALRIGHT, ONE. SO I CAN SEE IF THIS MAKE, OKAY. THAT ONE IN THE SHOULDER, ONE UP IN THE ROUGH LONG AREA. ALRIGHT, YOU MAY. INCLUSION BIRTHDAY. ERIC, WHAT IS YOUR BIRTHDAY? WHERE YOU, WHERE DO YOU LIVE AT BUD? . WHERE? WHERE? AT? DALLAS. YOU HAVE AN APARTMENT OR YOU, WHERE YOU AT? MAN. APARTMENT. WHAT APARTMENTS ARE YOU AT? ERIC. ERIC, TALK TO ME BROTHER. MESSING UP. OKAY. JUST KEEP TALKING TO ME, MAN. WHAT APARTMENTS DO YOU LIVE AT, MAN? WHO DO YOU, WHO DO YOU LIVE WITH? WHO DO YOU LIVE WITH? YOU WITH YOUR MAMA. WHAT'S YOUR MAMA'S NAME? DO YOU KNOW HER PHONE NUMBER? YOU KEEP TALKING, MAN. STAY AWAKE. I'M UP. NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE. YOU'RE FINE. KEEP TALKING. OKAY. ROLLING ON HIS. HOW OLD ARE YOU BROTHER? SEVEN. THERE YOU GO. IS 17 OKAY. ESCAPE ON BREATHING, MAN. YOU'LL BE ALL RIGHT. GIMME A JACKET FOR 10. YOU'LL BE ALL RIGHT. OKAY. TALK. JUST HOLD UP BABY. KEEP THAT BAND ON. I GOT THE BANDAGE ON WHATEVER. YOU GOT THE GLOVES ON. LET ME KNOW SO I CAN MY, I I GOT GLOVES. I GOT BOTH. OKAY. OKAY. GO TOMMY. SEE IF YOU CAN GO TAKE CARE OF THE GUY. FIND, GET THE AMBULANCE. AT LEAST TWO GUYS TOOK THREE GUYS LUNG. I KNOW YOU GOT YOU DOWN. OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD FRONT. WHAT'D YOU SAY, BROTHER? AMBULANCE IS COMING HERE AS HOT AS IT CAN. OKAY? THERE'S A WOUND IN HERE AND A WOUND RIGHT HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY EXIT WOUNDS. I THINK IT'S YOU WENT THROUGH, OKAY. YEAH, IT MIGHT BE OUT THAT WAY 'CAUSE I DON'T LOOK. PUT ME OUT. YOU GOT, YOU HAVE ANOTHER BANDAGE? IT'S ANOTHER BANDAGE ON THIS TOP JACKET TO PACK THAT ONE OR NO? PRESSURE? PRESSURE. ERIC, JUST KEEP ON TALKING. ERIC, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? BUD. HUH? ERIC? LAMB LAMP. LAMB. HOW DO YOU SPELL THAT? LI GOT L-M-P-K-E-K-I-N-I-N. OKAY. YOU HANG ON THERE MA'AM. WE THE, THE LIST COMING RIGHT NOW COMING. WE HAVE A COUPLE GENTLE OUT HERE COMING. MORE VEHICLE. Y'ALL CAN GIMME UP APARTMENT. NO, NO, NO. NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT, YOU'RE EXACTLY WHERE YOU NEED TO BE, MAN. ALL RIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA BRING A STRETCHER BACK HERE AS FAST AS THEY CAN, OKAY? OKAY. YOU STAY LIVE IN APARTMENTS. WHAT? WHAT APARTMENTS DID YOU SAY YOU LIVE IN? MY LUNG'S HURT. MY LUNG'S HURT. OKAY, JUST TAKE YOUR TIME. DEEP BREATHS. OKAY. I DON'T THINK Y'ALL NEED HANDCUFFS ON ME, SIR. ALRIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN THAT ONE BROTHER. WE DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE RIGHT NOW. LOCATION. [01:30:08] THANK YOU SO MUCH. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO COMMENTS, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ABOUT THIS VIDEO. ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR I DO STATEMENTS? YES. THE BOARD RECOGNI RECOGNIZES BOARD MEMBER ALLISON GREENER. ALLEN, SARAH. UM, DID THAT YOUNG MAN SAY THAT HE WAS 15 YEARS OLD? I BELIEVE HE WAS 17. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, CAN WE CONFIRM THAT BEHIND THE SCENES, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA DRAW ANY MORE ATTENTION TO IT, BUT IF HE IS UNDER 17, WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE USING HIS NAME BECAUSE IT, MY GUESS IS THE POLICE ARE GONNA CHARGE THIS PERSON, YOUNG PERSON WITH A CRIME. AND IF, IF SO, I DON'T WANNA JEOPARDIZE THE FACT THAT HE'S ENTITLED TO CONFIDENTIALITY AS A JUVENILE. OKAY. UM, SO HE WAS HIT FROM A BULLET FIRED FROM A BACK WINDOW WHILE HE WAS RUNNING AWAY. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. ONE OF THE OFFICERS SHOT THROUGH THE BACK WINDOW OF HIS PATROL CAR, THE TAHOE. BUT WE HAD NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, IT SAYS AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR, UM, REPORT THAT NO, AT THE OCPO MEETING, WE HAD NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JUSTIFICATION OF THE USE OF FORCE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, NO, NOT AT THAT TIME. FROM WHAT, YES, DR. FROM, I CAN SEE AS HE RAN PAST, HE HAD A GUN IN HIS HAND. NO DOUBT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A GUN IN THEIR HAND. BUT IF HE WAS, IF HE WAS RUNNING AWAY, UM, WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE WAS JUSTIFIED IN THAT INSTANCE. BOARD MEMBER MAPLES, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. YEAH. UM, I WAS, THAT I WAS, FORGIVE ME, BUT I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING AS, AS A BADASS COP THAT SHOOTS OUT THE BACK OF A WINDOW AND HIT SOMEBODY. I, I, I, TRUST ME, I, I HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH GUNS IN THE MARINE CORPS AND IN REAL LIFE NOW, BUT THAT IS INCREDIBLE AND VERY DANGEROUS. UM, I COMMEND THE POLICE OFFICERS ON DOING WHAT THEY HAD TO DO, AND I HEARD THE KIDS SAY HE WAS 17. I I DID HEAR 17 YEARS OLD. UM, SO I, I DO COMMEND THEM ON DOING WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO SAVE HIS LIFE. 'CAUSE THEY COULD HAVE JUST STOOD AROUND AND LET HIM BLEED OUT. BUT AGAIN, NOT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. I SAW THIS VIDEO ON TIKTOK TWO WEEKS AGO. THANK YOU. ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, WELL, AT THIS TIME WE'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE CHRISTOPHER CLARK. CLARK, ARE YOU ABLE TO, UH, TO JOIN THE CALL? AND, UH, ARE YOU ABLE, CAN WE HEAR YOU? WE, UH, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU STILL, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU EITHER AT THIS TIME. I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS CONTINUE MOVING DOWN. OH, YES. BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN. WE HAVE AUDIO FOR THE VIDEO. I MEAN, ONE OF US CAN INTRODUCE THE VIDEO. AS LONG AS THERE'S AUDIO FOR THE VIDEO, WE CAN STILL WATCH IT AND DISCUSS IT. I THINK THIS ONE'S IMPORTANT TO, TO WATCH. HOW'S THE BOARD FEEL ABOUT THAT? UH, OKAY. IF THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH THAT, UH, THEN, UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS BOARD FREEMAN, DO YOU WANNA GIVE AN INTRO TO THE VIDEO? I'M, I'M HAPPY TO. I DID HEAR A, UH, IS THAT YOU CLARK? CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR? YEAH. YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. WE CAN HEAR YOU WELL. UH, SINCE YOU ARE ONLINE, WILL YOU GIVE US A, UH, BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO THE VIDEO AND WE WILL. UM, YES, SIR. SO THIS IS THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED ON JULY 4TH AT OR AROUND AM CPT WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT A ROBBERY AND PROGRESS THAT HAPPENED ON SOUTH CAST ROAD. UH, THE ALLEGATION WAS A ROBBERY WAS OCCURRING FOUR INDIVIDUALS ROBBING IN A LEGAL GAMING ROOM AFTER STORE BUSINESS HOURS. UH, ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, UH, THE DECEASED TIMOTHY JEFFERSON, FLED THE SCENE WHEN POLICE ARRIVED. AND IT'S ALLEGED THAT HE JUMPED INTO A PARKING LOT NEXT TO THE ROBBERY LOCATION AT APPROXIMATELY 1 0 8. UPON FLEEING THE SCENE, HE APPROACHED WHAT LOOKED LIKE A UNMARKED VEHICLE, [01:35:02] WAS AN UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLE AT THE TIME, MR. JEFFERSON IS ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN HOLDING A HANDGUN. THAT VEHICLE WAS BEING DRIVEN BY SENIOR CORPORAL RUBEN MARTINEZ. AND UPON APPROACHING THE VEHICLE, IT'S ALLEGED THAT AT FIRST, MR. JEFFERSON DISPLAYED THAT WEAPON. SENIOR CORPORAL MARTINEZ GAVE COMMANDS FOR HIM TO PUT THAT WEAPON ON THE GROUND, AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE VEHICLE, UH, EXCUSE ME. AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE VIDEO, IT'S ALLEGED THAT MR. JEFFERSON DID IN FACT DROP HIS WEAPON AND RAISE HIS HAND IN COMPLIANCE WITH SENIOR CORPORAL MARTINEZ. AT THAT POINT, SENIOR CORPORAL MARTINEZ APPROACHED MR. JEFFERSON, AND IT IS DURING THAT APPROACH THAT YOU WILL SEE THE INTERACTION OCCUR WHERE MR. JEFFERSON ALLEGEDLY REACHES TOWARDS THE GROUND. SENIOR CORPORAL MARTINEZ BELIEVES HE'S REACHING TOWARD HIS FIREARM AND SEEN, HAS BEEN FIRED. TAKING MR. JEFFERSON AT THIS TIME, I WILL PLAY THE VIDEO. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK BEFORE HE HITS PLAY? YES. UM, BOARD FREEMAN, I, I, I JUST WANNA SAY TO THE BOARD, I THINK THIS ONE'S REALLY IMPORTANT, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T, MOST OF YOU PROBABLY ALREADY SEEN IT, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH THE SUSPECT HOPS THE FENCE. HE RUNS ACROSS THE PARKING LOT, HE COMES UPON THE UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLE, THE COP JUMPS OUT. THEN YOU JUST WATCH WHAT HAPPENS. BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE PART THAT I WANNA DISCUSS AND I WANNA SEE WHAT I KNOW WHAT I SAW, AND I WANNA SEE IF EVERYBODY ELSE SEES IT WHEN THEY HAVE THAT BRIEF ENGAGEMENT WHERE HE GETS SHOT. ERIC, PLEASE, UH, ROLL THAT VIDEO. WE'RE READY WHENEVER YOU ARE. HELLO, THIS IS DALLAS 9 1 1. DO YOU NEED POLICE, FIRE, OR AN AMBULANCE? HELLO? MA'AM, DO YOU NEED POLICE, FIRE, OR AN AMBULANCE? WHAT'S GOING ON? MA'AM? YOU'RE BEING ROBBED. YOU'RE BEING ROBBED. YOU'RE BEING ROBBED. OKAY. CAN YOU TEXT IT? CAN YOU TEXT THE 9 1 1? YES. WHAT'S YOUR LOCATION? YOUR PHONE NUMBER? I'M TRYING, MA'AM. SO ARE YOU BEING ROBBED? YES OR NO? YES. HOW MANY PEOPLE? THERE WE GO. YEAH, GUYS, [01:42:39] I'M ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE YELLOW BUILDING RIGHT HERE. HEY, POLICE. POLICE, BRO. SHOTS FIRED. ONE DOWN. HEY, OVER HERE. HEY, HE, HE STILL HAS HIS GUN BY BRO. HANDS UP. HEY, WHAT'S UP ALL Y'ALL GOT F**K, GET TEN FOUR. F**K YEAH, I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD, BRO. S**T, GOOD. KICKED OFF IN. F**K. I'M GOOD, BRO. GOOD. YOU GOOD? I'M GOOD. HE WENT FOR THE GUN. OKAY. ECHO 7 0 1. WE HAD ONE PITS EASTBOUND. THE OTHER ONE THE PITS RAN INTO THE ALLEY. THE ALLEY HAD [01:45:01] HAD A BRIGHT GREEN RIGHT JACKET ON ONE, ALL BLACK THIN MALE MASK. THE OTHER ONE THAT RAN THROUGH THE WEST ALLEY IS AN GREEN ON GO RIGHT HERE. CAR. YOU WANT ONE AVAILABLE PLEASE? ECHO 7 9 1. JUST TO BE ADVISED, WE NEED, WE HAVE ONE SUSPECT DOWN. HEY, BRO, I'M WITH HIS GUN IN THE TRUNK. OKAY? OH, F**K MAN. 7 81. WE GOT, UH, TWO. THANK YOU SO MUCH, ERIC. ONE BIG FAVOR. UH, WE, WE GO BACK AND, UH, SHOW THE BOARD ONE MORE TIME THE INTERACTION, UM, FROM THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERA WITH THE OFFICER AND, UM, MR. UH, JEFFERSON. YEAH, SURE THING. GIMME JUST ONE SECOND TO GET IT BACK TO THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IF I MAY, WHILE HE'S FINDING THAT VIDEO. YES. I, I JUST WANTED THE BOARD. I WANT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD WAS AWARE. SO SENIOR CORPORAL MARTINEZ WAS WORKING IN A UPPER CAPACITY. HE RESPONDED TO THE SCENE TO PROVIDE SURVEILLANCE FOR THE ACTIVITY THAT WAS OCCURRING AT THE ROBBERY LOCATION. HE DID HAVE HIS BODY-WORN CAMERA VEST IN THE FRONT SEAT OF HIS VEHICLE. AS YOU COULD SEE, THE SECOND VIDEO IT WAS ON, HOWEVER, DID NOT PUT THAT RN CAMERA, UH, VEST, EXCUSE ME, ON HIMSELF, HIS INTERACTION WITH MR. JEFFERSON. SO, UH, BEFORE WE PLAY THE PLAY, THE VIDEO, UH, CLARK IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR WRITEUP BY THE OFFICE, IT SAYS HERE THAT JEFFERSON DROPPED HIS WEAPON AND LIFTED HIS HANDS IN COMPLIANCE. MARTINEZ APPROACHED JEFFERSON WITH HIS GUN, STILL DRAWN MARTINEZ, GRABBED JEFFERSON WITH HIS LEFT HAND AND COMMANDED THAT JEFFERSON GET ON THE GROUND ALREADY IN A LOWER POSITION. JEFFERSON ATTEMPTED TO GET ON THE GROUND BY BENDING FORWARD. AT THIS POINT, MARTINEZ FIRED FOUR SHOTS AT JEFFERSON, STRUCK HIM IN THE RIGHT THIGH, LEFT KNEE, RIGHT ARM AND HEAD. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOUR, THAT'S WHAT YOUR ASSESSMENT WAS, I GUESS THE OFFICE IS OF WHAT HAPPENED. LET'S, LET'S ROLL. WE BELIEVE THAT'S AN AC WE BELIEVE THAT'S AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S DEPICTED IN THE VIDEO. LET'S, LET'S ROLL THE TAPE AGAIN SO WE CAN SEE OURSELVES AS WELL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANNA OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT THIS VIDEO, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, THE BOARD RECOGNIZES BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN REST OF THE WATER MOVEMENT. THANKS. UH, LOOKS TO ME LIKE HE SHOT AN UNARMED MAN. UM, NOW HAVING SAID THAT, UH, THAT HAPPENED REALLY FAST AND I'M PROBABLY, I ONE OF THE FEW, IF NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE IN HERE WHO'S BEEN IN THOSE SITUATIONS. UM, I'VE HAD TO DECIDE PERSONALLY, I'VE, I'VE DRAWN MY WEAPON AND HAD TO MAKE A SPLIT SECOND DECISION ABOUT WHETHER TO FIRE AROUND OR NOT. UM, THESE THINGS HAPPEN REALLY FAST AND THE GUY CLEARLY HAD A WEAPON. HE POINTED IT AT THE POLICE VEHICLE AS HE IS RUNNING. SO THAT OFFICER'S ALREADY GONNA BE IN THAT MINDSET. UM, I, THIS STUFF JUST HAPPENS REALLY FAST, SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO RIGHT OFF THE BAT CAST BLAME ON THE OFFICER FOR THIS. BUT WHAT I'M SEEING [01:50:01] IS IT LOOKED LIKE, UH, HE TOLD THE SUSPECT TO DROP THE WEAPON AND GET DOWN AND THE SUSPECT COMPLIED, AND THEN HE SHOT HIM. WHETHER HE MEANT TO OR NOT, OR WHETHER IT JUST HAPPENED THAT FAST. I DON'T KNOW. AND I'M NOT REALLY IN A POSITION PROBABLY TO JUDGE THAT JUST FROM THIS BRIEF VIDEO, THIS GRAINY VIDEO THAT I'M LOOKING AT. UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE AS A BOARD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON IT LOOKED LIKE IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE HE SHOT AN UNARMED MAN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? YES. BOARD MEMBER P PEGRAM, UM, DERRICK EGHAM, DISTRICT SIX, ALSO FROM THE, LOOK, IF HE WAS UNDERCOVER, THE GUY WOULD'VE RAN AND, AND WENT TO SHOOT PROBABLY SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HE PROBABLY WAS GONNA ROB HIM. THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN WHEN HE JUMPED OUT AND ACTUALLY SAID, DROP YOUR GUN AND GET DOWN, HE THOUGHT, OH, THIS IS A COP. THIS IS IT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. DROP MY GUN AND BE DONE WITH IT, BUT NO, NOW I'M GONNA DIE. BECAUSE HE GETS OUT AND HE'S IN THAT MINDSET THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HE MURDERS HIM, AND THEN HE RUNS TO GO GET A VEST THAT HAS A, A CAMERA ON IT TO GO AHEAD AND FINISH THE, UM, WELL, WHAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE, WHAT HE WOULD HAVE SAW, NOT REALIZING THERE ARE SURVEILLANCE. CATCHING ALL THIS ON CAMERA IS WHAT I THINK I SAW. I WHAT I KNOW. I SAW THE BOARD RECOGNIZES JUDGE LANDER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? YES, MR. MAPLES, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES. I, I, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE TO SEEK SOME CLARITY HERE. SO THIS UNDERCOVER OFFICER, SIR, WAS DURING SURVEILLANCE ON THE AFTER HOURS GAMBLING SPOT. IS, IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT? MR. CLARK? WHEREVER, WELL, LATER IN THE VIDEO, YOU CAN SEE, UM, AS THE COPS CARS ARE ARRIVING TO THE SCENE, THIS CAR ARRIVED FIRST AND PULLED INTO THAT PARKING SPOT. SO I THINK IT HAD, IT HAD BEEN THERE MAYBE 20 SECONDS, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LIGHTS TOO ON THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERA. SO IT CAME PULLED IN, UM, RIGHT BEFORE THE OTHER COPS. BUT CLARK, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? UH, MR. MAPLES, VERY QUICKLY I'LL ADDRESS IT. I'M NOT AWARE THAT THIS VEHICLE WAS IN FACT PERFORMING SURVEILLANCE ON THE ILLEGAL, BUT I I AM AWARE THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PERFORM SURVEILLANCE IN CONJUNCTION TO THE RESPONSE TO THE PROPERTY INCIDENT. SO NOT SAYING THAT THAT WASN'T THE CASE, I AM SAYING SURE. HIS ROLE, IF, IF YOU WATCH THE , HIS, HIS ROLE IN THAT CAPACITY WAS TO TAKE THAT LOCATION AND PERFORM SOME, I, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS SAYING. YEAH, IT WAS HARD TO HEAR. UH, I THINK WHAT HE WANNA REPEAT THAT, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, UM, I BELIEVE WHAT, UM, MR. CLARK WAS SAYING IS THAT THE VEHICLE OR THE OFFICER WAS TO BE PROVIDING, HE WAS TO PROVIDE SURVEILLANCE TO THAT AREA. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO, YOU CAN SEE LIGHTS APPEAR. IT'S NOT KNOWN IF HE WAS ARRIVING OR IF HE WAS ALREADY THERE AND TURNED ON THE VEHICLE. BUT IT, IT APPEARS THAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN ARRIVING AT THE TIME THAT WE SEE THE LIGHTS REFLECT IN THE PARKING LOT. AND SO, UM, PER, WE BELIEVE THAT PERHAPS HE WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY TO PROVIDE SURVEILLANCE AND THAT IS WHY HE WAS IN THE AREA. BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. THE OFFICER HADN'T BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT WHY HE WAS THERE BECAUSE IT, IT IS JUST, I I'M JUST SEEKING CLARITY BECAUSE IF HE'S THERE FOR SURVEILLANCE OR IS HE THERE FOR BACKUP BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT TO RAID THE SPOT AND AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. THERE'S A ROBBERY IN PROGRESS AND ONE OF THE PERKS JUMPED THE FENCE AND WAS RUNNING RIGHT AT HIM, AND HE JUMPED OUT ON HIM AND COMMANDED HIM TO DROP HIS WEAPON, WHICH HE COMPLIED. AND THEN THE OFFICER GRABBED HIM AND THEN BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, KID'S DEAD. UM, MR. MAPLES, YEAH, HE HAD JUST ARRIVED TO THAT LOCATION RIGHT BEFORE THE INTERACTION WITH MR. JEFFERSON. OKAY. THAT JUDGE LANDER HERE. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. JUDGE LANDER FOUR IS YOURS ON OTHERS [01:55:01] OF THESE. UM, THE OFFICE HAS MADE, UH, CONCLUSORY STATEMENTS AT THE END AS TO THEIR OPINION. I DON'T SEE ANY SUCH OPINION HERE FOR MR. CLARK. MR. CLARK, UH, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION SUCH AS ON THE OTHER TWO THAT WE'VE SEEN? NO, YOUR HONOR, I DO NOT. UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS MATTER NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED. THERE ARE QUESTIONS OF FACTS. UH, THERE ARE QUESTIONS OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT NEED TO BE, UM, MORE THOROUGHLY EXAMINED AS FAR AS WHAT THAT OFFICER SAW, WHAT HE BELIEVES. I DO HAVE MY QUESTIONS AND OUR OFFICE HAS DISCUSSED DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT THIS INCIDENT, BUT I'M NOT PREPARED AT THIS TIME TO GIVE A CONCLUSORY STATEMENT OF ANY KIND OUT OF FAIRNESS AND DUE PROCESS WITH THE ACCUSED SITUATION. I FULLY UNDERSTAND AND, UH, ADMIRE THAT, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE QUESTIONS OF FACT INVOLVED HERE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE SEE THE VIDEO AND IT APPEARS THAT THE, UM, THE PERPETRATOR DROPPED HIS WEAPON AND THEN WAS SHOT ANYWAY. UH, THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT APPARENTLY. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. THE, UH, OFFICE SHOULD NOT BE CONCLUDING, AND I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT WHY THERE WAS CONCLUSIONS ON OTHERS, BUT NOT ON THIS ONE. AND NOW I KNOW CHAIR RECOGNIZES BOARD, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS. SO, UM, I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION FOR CLARK. UM, WHAT WAS THE, THE, MR. JEFFERSON, NO. YEAH, JEFFERSON. UM, WAS HE A PART OF THE ROBBERY OR IS IT, IS HE SUSPECTED TO BE PART OF THE ROBBERY? HE WAS BELIEVED TO BE, SO, YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. ANY, UH, FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? CHAIR? YES. BOARD MEMBER SMITH. OZZIE SMITH. DISTRICT ONE. CLARK, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, JUST KIND OF THE LAST STATEMENT. UM, WAIT, IS THIS FOR MR. LAMPKIN? I GOT THE WRONG ONE. IS THAT PC? THIS ONE. UM, SORRY. I WAS COMPARING THE OTHER, UH, WITH MR. LAMPKIN WHERE WE STATED THAT, UM, THE DPD OFFICERS RENDERED SWIFT MEDICAL AID. UM, SO I'M JUST, I DIDN'T SEE THAT HERE IN THIS ONE. AND MAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A, A QUESTION FOR THE MAJOR, MAYBE ON A TRAINING, LIKE HOW DO YOU, 'CAUSE I SAW THE INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, GET SHOT. I SAW THE OFFICER WHO WAS, UM, UNDERCOVER, I GUESS HIS, HIS STATUS, UM, GO BACK AND PUT HIS VEST ON, WHICH, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE HIM THINKING TO GET HIS BODY WORN VEST ON. UM, BUT TO ME, WHEN I WATCHED THAT VIDEO LAST NIGHT, I JUST SAW A LOT OF STANDING AROUND. THEN I THINK A FEW OTHER OFFICERS CAME. UH, THEY PICKED UP THE WEAPON WITH THE GLOVE ON AND, YOU KNOW, PUT IT IN ON THE GROUND BEHIND THE VEHICLE. THEN THEY PICKED IT UP AGAIN, I THINK, AND PUT IT INTO THE TRUNK OF THE VEHICLE TO SECURE THE WEAPON. IT JUST SEEMED LIKE FOR ME, A LOT OF TIME LAPSED BEFORE SOMEBODY RENDERED AID TO HIM. SO, UM, THAT'S ONE THING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING MAJOR THAT YOU COULD SPEAK TO. LIKE IF, YEAH. WHAT WHAT IS THAT? SORRY. I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SAY MUCH SINCE IT'S, UH, MAYBE STILL IN, UH, INVESTIGATION, BUT IT JUST MS. MR. SMITH. SURE. CLARK, I'M SORRY, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK. THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE WHO, WHO WE CAN HEAR. WE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, SIR. AND MAJOR GRUER. I KNOW YOU WERE HEADING UP. UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING TO SAY ON THIS AT ALL OR NO? NO. NO. OKAY. WELL, I'LL ASK A QUESTION. MAJOR, UH, JUDGE LANDER, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT MAJOR, WHAT IS THE POLICY OF, UH, THE DPD WHEN SOMEONE HAS BEEN SHOT AND MEDICAL AID NEEDS TO BE UH, ADDRESSED? IS THERE A TIME LIMIT? IS THERE A POLICY? IS THERE A PROCEDURE? WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN? WELL, OFFICERS ARE TRAINED TO RENDER MEDICAL AID AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHEN IT'S SAFE TO DO SO. UH, IF THE, IF [02:00:01] THE, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THIS INSTANCE, BUT FOR, UH, SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'RE STILL ACTIVE OR THERE'S STILL, UH, POSSIBLE SUSPECTS STILL AROUND IN THE AREA WHERE STILL, UH, UH, ISSUES GOING ON IN THAT AREA, IT WOULDN'T BE SAFE TO DO SO AT THAT TIME. BUT AS SOON AS WE CAN, WE WILL RENDER AID AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRAINED TO DO. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YES. BOARD MEMBER. BOARD MEMBER MEMBER. THANK YOU. CHAIR. UH, YES, CLARK? UH, YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU. I'M JUST GONNA BRIEFLY, I WAS JUST GONNA BRIEFLY SAY IN THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE, UH, BASED UPON VIEWING THIS VIDEO AND THE OTHER VIDEOS I'VE VIEWED, I SEE NOTHING CONSISTENT WITH THE PAGE THAT WAS PROVIDED HERE AS MAJOR GREER. I WAS STILL AN ACTIVE SITUATION. THE UNDERCOVER UNDERCOVER OFFICER WAS BY HIMSELF. UH, HE PUT ON HIS VEST. THERE WAS THEN ANOTHER SUSPECT THAT WAS RUNNING FROM THE SCENE IN THAT PROXIMITY. SO HE BRIEFLY HIM TO IDENTIFY HIM. OTHER OFFICERS, AT WHICH POINT IN TIME WAS JOINED BY TWO OTHER OFFICERS WHO PROMPTLY TOOK A, UM, SO AS FAR AS THE OFFICE REVIEWING THIS IS CONCERNED, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY PROLONGED DELAY IN THE AID THAT WAS RENDERED TO MR. JEFFERSON BOARD MEMBER WINTER. ALLEN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT? THANK YOU. YES. UM, I KNOW THAT ALL THREE OF THESE ITEMS, THREE, B, C, AND D ARE ALL BEING, UM, INVESTIGATED BY IAD. UM, AND I KNOW THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S IN SIU, BUT IT, IT, YEAH. COOL. I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL STORY HERE, UM, ON ANY OF THESE, UM, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT THE OFFICE KEEP TRACK OF AND REPORT BACK ABOUT ITEMS THREE C AND 3D AS THEY GO. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO I HAVE A SECOND? JONATHAN? MAY A SECOND. THE MOTION IS, UH, FOR THE OFFICE TO KEEP US IN THE LOOP AND MAYBE EVEN ON THE AGENDA. NEXT AGENDA, UH, TO HAVE UPDATES ON THESE PARTICULAR CASES. ITEM THREE, UH, B, C, AND D. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? NO, NO, NO. B IS, I I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE INTERESTED IN B. B. OKAY. UM, I'M SPEAKING ONLY FOR MYSELF, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK ABOUT C AND D. UH, C AND D. SO THE MOTION IS FOR UPDATES AND, UH, TO KEEP US IN THE LIE FOR, UH, THREE C AND D. UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, THE MOTION PASSES. AND SO IF THE OFFICE COULD KEEP US, UH, IN INFORMED ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR CASES, WE KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT NOW ON SSIU, THEN IT'LL MOVE, I GUESS TO THE COUNTY AND THEN, UH, IN THE HANDS, UH, HOPEFULLY, WE'LL, YOU CAN KEEP US UPDATED ON WHERE IT IS, UH, IN THE PROCESS. 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE VERY CON WE'RE INTERESTED IN THESE PARTICULAR CASES. AND I DO WANNA ASK, UH, I KNOW BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, YOU'RE THE CHAIR OF THE POLICY, UH, COMMITTEE. SO IF YOU COULD ALSO BE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE THE SUBCOMMITTEE LOOKING AT THIS EVEN FURTHER AS IT GOES ON, UH, ON WHAT THE BOARD CAN DO IN RESPONSE, UH, TO THIS ON THE POLICY SIDE. UH, SO, UH, ANYWAY, WE, WE CAN BE IN TOUCH ABOUT THAT. I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR, UM, DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND MS. OSU. SO, IN THE PAST, I, AND I KNOW DURING THE FORMATION OF THIS BOARD IN THE OFFICE, UM, WE HAD LAID OUT THAT, UM, INVESTIGATORS WOULD BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS DURING THE, DURING THE STATEMENT PERIOD. EITHER IT'S IN EITHER IN THE STATEMENT PERIOD, THE INTERVIEW PERIOD AFTER THE CRITICAL SHOOTING. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS BEING UTILIZED STILL IN THE INVESTIGATIONS OR WHEN YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THESE CRITICAL INCIDENTS? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE STILL DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO. UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF, UH, IOSS WHEN THE OFFICERS WERE INTERVIEWED, WE WERE NOTIFIED THE SAME DAY OF THE INTERVIEW AND DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GO TO THE OFFICE. 'CAUSE ONLY THE DIRECTOR CAN GO, UH, TO DPD TO UH, ATTEND THOSE. OR THE DIRECTOR CAN GO AND SOMEONE CAN ACCOMPANY THEM, BUT THEY CAN'T GO BY THEMSELVES. UM, SO I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS, BUT WE STILL HAD THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THE STATEMENTS, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THEM UNTIL AFTER THE INVESTIGATION WITH THE BOARD, UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE. SO JUST FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, IF WE MISS THAT, THAT MEETING, THAT INTERVIEW MEETING, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UM, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT IS, UH, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I THINK THAT IF THERE WERE QUESTIONS, THEY MAY BE THE OPPORTUNITY [02:05:01] TO FILTER THOSE QUESTIONS THROUGH IAD UM, BUT IT IS THE PRIME TIME TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. YES. AND ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, DOES THE DPD STILL AND MAYBE, UM, THE MAJOR COULD ANSWER, UM, DOES DPD STILL DO THE 72 HOUR POLICY FOR POLICE OFFICERS TO COME AND GIVE THEIR STATEMENT ON A CRITICAL INCIDENT? UM, THAT MIGHT BE BETTER ANSWERED BY IAD, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE A CORRECTION. IT'S NOT IAD THAT REACHED OUT, IT IS PIU. SO, UH, MAJOR CRE, WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING TO THAT? IS THERE A A 72 HOUR PERIOD WHERE IN A CRITICAL INCIDENT THE OFFICER HAS SPOKEN WITH? YEAH, THE OFFICERS ARE GIVEN TIME TO KIND OF DECOMPRESS, GET THEIR, UH, I GUESS GET BACK TO SOME SENSE OF NORMALCY FROM CRITICAL INCIDENTS. I'M NOT CERTAIN ON THE AMOUNT OF HOURS, I'M NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A ROLE THAT WE TAKE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS. THAT'S MORE ON THE, ON THE SIU SIDE OF IT. SO I WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO, UM, MAKE IT AN ACTION ITEM THAT WE FIND OUT WHAT THE POLICY IS NOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HERE IN DALLAS WE FOUGHT KIND OF HARD FOR THEM TO RESCIND THAT 72 HOUR POLICY. SO IF IT JUST KIND OF ORGANICALLY BECAME A POLICY, AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW, I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THAT. IS THIS SOMETHING THE OFFICE COULD DO? IF WE MAKE A MOTION, WE COULD GET THAT IN A, IN A MEMO FORM TO THE BOARD. DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION, UM, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS FOR THAT? YEP. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, GET AN UPDATE ON THE 72 HOUR POLICY, UM, TO SEE IF IT'S STILL BEING, UM, IF IT'S STILL IN EFFECT OR, OR NOT ACTUALLY. I MEAN, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW TIL COLANDER SECOND. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. IF I CAN, UM, I WOULD ADD TO THAT MOTION THAT WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF THE OFFICE WOULD LOG WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE TO, TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE OFFICERS. AND THEN WE CAN SEE FOR OURSELVES HOW MUCH TIME ELAPSED BETWEEN THE INCIDENT AND THE QUESTIONING PERIOD. THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN, INCLUDING THAT, JUST SO WE HAVE SECOND IT ON, ON RECORD? UH, NO, I JUST SECOND HER. OKAY. SECOND, WHAT, LEMME MAKE SURE WE HAVE, GET IT RIGHT, GET IT RIGHT WITH THE, WITH THE ATTORNEY HERE. WELL, IT SOUNDED LIKE THE FIRST MOTION WAS MADE AND THEN HER MOTION WAS A MOTION TO AMEND THAT. SO YOU'D NEED TO VOTE ON THE MOTION TO AMEND IT. AND THEN IF THAT, IF YOU GET A GREEN LINE THERE, THEN YOU CAN VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION. OKAY. SO WE, WE DO TWO VOTES. TWO, OKAY. SURE. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT THEN LET'S, UH, TAKE THIS TO A VOTE. THIS WILL BE A VOTE FOR THE AMENDMENT, UH, BROUGHT FORWARD BY BOARD MEMBER GREENER ALLEN. ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS AMENDMENT, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED THAT MOTION. THE AMENDMENT PASSES. AND SO LET'S, UH, NOW VOTE ON, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS. UH, MOTION. UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS MOTION. UH, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED THAT THAT MOTION PASSES AS WELL. CLARIFY. THE GOOD MOTION YOU JUST VOTED ON WAS HIS AMENDED MOTION. SO IT WASN'T HIS ORIGINAL MOTION, IT WAS AS IT WAS AMENDED. ALRIGHT. WHAT, WHAT HE SAID . YEAH. AS AS AMENDED. ALL RIGHT, PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S MOVE ON NOW TO, UH, ITEM THREE E. UH, THREE E. AND THIS IS A REPORT ON AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION CARRIED OUT BY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT. UH, THIS IS, UM, A, UH, AN IN INVESTIGATION BY KIMBER IN RESPONSE TO A COMPLAINT FILED BY KIMBERLY JEFFERSON ON APRIL 3RD, 2023. SO AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD RECOGNIZES THE OCPO POLICY ANALYST, SIERRA OBSU. UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS TO GIVE THIS REPORT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023, THE BOARD VOTED ON AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO MS. KIMBERLY JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINT REGARDING THE ALLEGED MISCONDUCT OF OFFICERS, ROBERT BELL, NICHOLAS ASKEY, JASMINE PAGE, KAREN CARDOVA, AND CHASTITY HICKS. WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO OBTAIN THE MARCH 30TH BODY CAM FOOTAGE AND VIEW THAT AS WELL, THAT REFERENCE THAT IS REFERENCED IN HER COMPLAINT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS INVESTIGATION IS TO DETERMINE IF THE ALLEGED OFFICERS VIOLATED ANY DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES INDEPENDENT OF DPDS FINDINGS. THE ALLEGATIONS ARE EXCESSIVE FORCE WRONGFUL ARREST LEFT IN THE BACK OF A PATROL CAR FOR AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. DPD OFFICERS FAILED TO INVESTIGATE, ALLOWED PROPERTY TO BE STOLEN, ARRESTED HER, THEN ARRESTED. HER CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT. [02:10:01] DID NOT SEPARATE HER FROM DEFENDANT. TOBY HAWKINS REQUESTED THE TOW TRUCK FOR MS. JEFFERSON TO LEAVE INTIMIDATION AND OFFICERS DID NOT CARRY OUT A CIVIL STANDBY. AFTER REVIEWING DP D'S SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, MS. JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINT APPEARED TO BE GROUPED AS ONE WITH HER SON'S COMPLAINT RELATING TO AN INCIDENT ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2023. ON TUESDAY, JUNE 4TH, 2024, OCPO CONTACTED DPDS INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINT BEING GROUPED AS ONE AND DEMONSTRATED WHERE THEIR COMPLAINTS DIFFER. IAD STATED THAT BOTH COMPLAINTS WERE GROUPED TOGETHER DUE TO THE JEFFERSON'S REFERENCING THE SAME ISSUE, BUT FROM DIFFERENT DATES. IAD ALSO INFORMED US THAT BOTH COMPLAINTS WERE LOOKED INTO BY LIEUTENANT UNDER NI 2023 DASH 317 WITH AN OUTCOME OF NO POLICY VIOLATION. IN CONCLUSION, AFTER VIEWING ALL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS AND FOOTAGE RELATING TO MS. JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINTS OF ALLEGED MISCONDUCT FROM OFFICERS, ROBERT BELL, NICHOLAS ASKE, JASMINE PAGE, KAREN CORDOVA, AND CHASTITY HICKS, OCPO IS UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES. THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT RECOMMENDS A REASSESSMENT INTO I D'S PRACTICE OF CONSOLIDATING COMPLAINTS MADE BY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE REFERENCING A SIMILAR INCIDENT. I D'S CURRENT PRACTICE HAS LIMITED THE ACCESS OF MS. JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINT DUE TO GROUPING IT WITH A COMPLAINT OF SIMILAR NATURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIERRA. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, TO, UH, MS. OBASI OR ALSO, UH, TO, UH, MAJOR, MAJOR GREER? YES, DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH SIERRA. UM, I DID NOTICE THAT ON MRS. UM, JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINT, THE OFFICERS DID NOT CARRY OUT A CIVIL STANDBY. AND IF I RECALL THE FACTS, UM, THE PERSON HAD HER TRUCK. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. AND SO HOW IS IT NOT A VIOLATION OF POLICY IF THE PERSON REFUSED TO RETURN THE TRUCK? HOW IS THAT A POLICY VIOLATION? HOW IS IT NOT A PO POLICY VIOLATION? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WELL, INITIALLY IT WAS A CIVIL MATTER AND IN THE MARCH 30TH BODY CAM FOOTAGE, IT SHOWS THAT HE BECAME A CRIMINAL MATTER ONCE MR. HAWKINS ASKED THEM TO LEAVE THE PERSON THE PREMISES AND REQUEST THAT THE OFFICERS REMOVE MS. JEFFERSON AND HER SON FROM THE PREMISES. SO IT WAS A CRIMINAL TRESPASS AT THAT POINT. I SEE. WHEN THEY REFUSED TO MOVE FROM THE PREMISES. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS INVESTIGATION? Y YOU KNOW YES. MAPLES? YEAH, I DO HAVE THAT. WHEN, WHEN WAS THIS COMPLETED? WHAT WAS IT? THIS INVESTIGATION COMPLETED. OKAY. IT WAS COMPLETED BACK IN JUNE, 2024. SO FROM SEPTEMBER TO JUNE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, UH, MS. OBSU, YOUR CONCERN FOR THE OFFICE'S CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH IAD GROUPING, TWO DISTINCT COMPLAINTS TOGETHER INTO ONE. COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER? UM, FOR, FOR ME INTO THE BOARD? YES. SO IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO LOCATE MS. JEFFERSON'S SPECIFIC COMPLAINT, IT WAS FILED UNDERNEATH HER SON'S COMPLAINT. AND SO HOW WE SEE THINGS, IT'S AN INCIDENT REPORT, BUT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR HER SON'S, WHICH WAS REFERENCING A DIFFERENT DATE, WHICH HAD DIFFERENT OFFICERS. SO SHE, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SEE THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE FOR FEB, UH, MARCH 30TH, ONLY FOR FEBRUARY 7TH. LATER ON THE OFFICE BEFORE MY ARRIVAL, THEY WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN THE MARCH 30TH FOOTAGE. BUT MS. JEFFERSON REQUESTED THE MARCH 30TH FOOTAGE, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS CONSOLIDATED UNDERNEATH HER SON'S COMPLAINT FOR FEBRUARY 7TH, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO LOCATE HER INCIDENT SPECIFICALLY. AND SO MS. JEFFERSON HAD A HARD TIME SEEING THE RESPONSES FROM DPD, FROM IAD. THE ACTUAL LETTER THAT THEY SENT WAS, IT WAS TITLED HER NAME, BUT IT WAS REFERENCING HER SON'S COMPLAINT IN THE LETTER. SO WHEN THEY DID THE INVESTIGATION, THEIR LETTER WAS ACTUALLY REFERENCING HER SON'S COMPLAINT. SO SHE NEVER RECEIVED A LETTER [02:15:01] REFERENCING HER OWN COMPLAINT. SO THE, THE ISSUE, UH, HAPPENED WHEN SHE MADE THE COMPLAINT WITH IAD, THEY GROUPED IT INTO ONE RIGHT. UH, COMPLAINT. AND THE OFFICE BELIEVES IT WAS TWO DISTINCT ISSUES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TREATED AS TWO SEPARATE CASES. YES. SO SHE DID REFERENCE A LITTLE BIT OF THE SAME ISSUE. MM-HMM. FROM HER SON'S COMPLAINT ON FEBRUARY 7TH. MM-HMM. . BUT THE BULK OF HER COMPLAINT WAS REGARDING MARCH 30TH. THE CONDUCT THAT SHE ALLEGED FROM THE OFFICERS FROM MARCH 30TH, THEY WERE NOT TIED TO THE FEBRUARY 7TH INCIDENT. OKAY. DOES THE, DOES THE OFFICE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON A SHIFT IN POLICY THAT IAD COULD AVOID THIS IN THE FUTURE? UH, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF RECOMMENDATION WOULD YOU HAVE? SO, SO THAT THIS CONCERN COULD BE RECTIFIED OR IMPROVED FOR, FOR FUTURE CITIZENS OF, OF DALLAS? UM, O AS I PUT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, I RECOMMEND THAT THEY REASSESS WHEN THERE IS, REGARDLESS OF IF THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE AT THE SAME INCIDENT, PEOPLE EXPERIENCE DIFFERENT THINGS DIFFERENTLY. AND IF THERE IS HER SON CLAIMING OF FEBRUARY 7TH, BUT ALSO SLIGHTLY REFERENCING THE MARCH 30TH, AND SHE'S REFERENCING SLIGHTLY THE FEBRUARY 7TH, BUT HER MAIN COMPLAINT IS ON THE MISCONDUCT OF OFFICERS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE REFERENCING THE SAME COMPLAINT, SAME COMPLAINT, BUT THEIR MAIN CONCERNS ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD REASSESS THAT AND CATEGORIZE THEM AS SEPARATE INCIDENTS. THANK YOU. ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, STATEMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YES. BOARD MEMBER SMITH? YEAH. OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE. DO YOU FEEL THAT, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OWES HER ANOTHER SEPARATE RESPONSE THAT ACTUALLY RESPONDS TO HER COMPLAINT? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY, SHE SHOULD BE COMMUNICATED SPECIFICALLY REGARDING HER COMPLAINT AND THE STATUS OF HER COMPLAINT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, JUDGE LANDER IS, YES, THIS A, UM, SITUATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE A MOTION OF THE BOARD OR, UM, SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT. YEAH. DEPENDS ON WHAT, WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO. YEAH. UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT IS, UH, I WOULD MOVE THAT, UM, THE, UH, BOARD REC RECOMMEND TO IAD THAT THEY DIVORCE COMPLAINTS INTO INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS AND NOT HAVE JOINT COMPLAINTS. EACH COMPLAINTS STANDS OR FALLS ON ITS OWN. THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO YOU, DO WE HAVE A SECOND IF POSSIBLE? UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE HEAR THAT MOTION? UM, WHEN YOU SAY INCIDENTS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SERVICE NUMBERS CALLS FOR SERVICE OR YOU MEAN ARE YOU REFERRING TO AN INCIDENT REPORT OR JUST INCIDENT? SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT EACH COMPLAINT BE ABLE TO REFERENCE TWO DIFFERENT SERV TWO OR MORE DIFFERENT SERVICE NUMBERS AND, AND BE ABLE TO DISAMBIGUATE THOSE WITHIN A COMPLAINT, RIGHT? WELL, NO. SO MS, THE BULK OF MS. JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINT WAS RELATING TO THE MARCH 30TH INCIDENT. WHEN YOU SAY MARCH 30TH INCIDENT. RIGHT? THE, THE WAY I THINK IAD WOULD SEE THOSE INCIDENTS IS BY SERVICE NUMBER, RIGHT? YES. WOULD THAT BE A, THERE IS AN INCIDENT REPORT? YES. THAT'S THE NUMBER. OKAY. SO I MEAN, SOMETIMES AN INCIDENT REPORT IS NOT FILED AND THERE'S STILL A CALL FOR SERVICE, THERE'S STILL A SERVICE NUMBER, RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, I THINK JUST TO MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE, UM, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WHEN A COMPLAINT AN IAD COMPLAINT REFERENCES MORE THAN ONE SERVICE NUMBER? WELL, NO. SO HER COMPLAINT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED THE MISCONDUCT OF THOSE OFFICERS ON THE MM-HMM. ON MARCH 30TH. BUT SHE MENTIONED THE FEBRUARY, SHE MENTIONED THE FEBRUARY TO GIVE BACKGROUND, BUT HER, HER COMPLAINT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE OFFICERS THAT SHE ENCOUNTERED ON MARCH 30TH. SO IT SEEMS LIKE HER COMPLAINT SHOULD BE SEEN AS REFERRING TO BOTH SERVICE NUMBERS, THE FEBRUARY AND THE MARCH, ALTHOUGH STRESSING THE MARCH, RIGHT? YES. SO THE WAY THAT SHE HAS WRITTEN HER STATEMENT, IT REFERENCED FEBRUARY 7TH TO GIVE A BACKSTORY. YEAH. BUT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO BRING IN ON THE [02:20:01] INCIDENT TO, OF THE MISCONDUCT OF THOSE OFFICERS BECAUSE IN HER INSERTED REPORT, IT ONLY SHOWS THOSE SPECIFIC OFFICERS, BUT BOTH COMPLAINTS WERE SEEN AS REFERRING ONLY TO FEBRUARY. YES, MA'AM. SO REALLY WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS BE ABLE TO PULL UP MULTIPLE CALLS FOR SERVICE, MULTIPLE SERVICE NUMBERS, EVEN WITHIN THE SAME IAD COMPLAINT WHEN PEOPLE REFERENCE DIFFERENT INCIDENCES IN TIME, DIFFERENT TRANSACTIONS. RIGHT. WELL, UH, MY ASSESSMENT WAS IF HER COMPLAINT IS STATING SPECIFIC CONDUCT RELATING TO ONE DAY, ALTHOUGH SHE SLIGHTLY REFERENCES TO GIVE BACKSTORY, HER SON'S COMPLAINT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND IT WAS RELATING TO OFFICERS FROM A DIFFERENT MONTH. AND SO WHAT I AM RECOMMENDING THAT, ALTHOUGH THEY GIVE SLIGHT, SHE GIVES A LITTLE BACKSTORY REFERENCING FEBRUARY 7TH TO KIND OF DETAIL WHAT WAS GOING ON. MM-HMM. , BUT HER, HER ENTIRE COMPLAINT IS BASED ON THE MISCONDUCT OF THE OFFICERS. SO REGARDLESS OF IF IT WAS REFERENCING THE PREVIOUS FEBRUARY 7TH, SHE, I DON'T EVEN, SHE DIDN'T EVEN NECESSARILY REFERENCE FEBRUARY 7TH. SHE JUST GAVE BACKSTORY OF A PRE, A PRIOR ENCOUNTER. I GUESS JUST FROM A DATABASE STANDPOINT, MY GUESS IS THEY ASSOCIATE WITH A SERVICE NUMBER, THE FIRST ONE THEY CAN FIND. AND THEN, AND THEN DON'T POUR THROUGH TO SEE IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER. SO LIKE BASICALLY EACH COMPLAINT NEEDS TO HAVE THE ABILITY JUST DATABASE WISE TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT CALLS FOR SERVICE. I AND, AND THAT I THINK MAY BE THE POLICY WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO HAVE ONE COMPLAINT, BE ABLE TO REFERENCE MULTIPLE CALLS FOR SERVICE. I THINK IT'S ALSO BECAUSE THEY FILED IT AT THE SAME TIME. AND SO THAT COULD NO DOUBT BEEN THE ISSUE. AND MY MOTION, JUDGE LANDER, UM, DISTRICT EIGHT, MY MOTION FOCUSES ON THE INDIVIDUALS COMPLAINING NOT ON SERVICE NUMBERS. UM, AND MY MOTION IS THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED INDIVIDUALLY IF IT TIES IN OTHER SERVICE NUMBERS. THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT JUST SO LONG AS THE INDIVIDUALS ARE, UM, ARE INVESTIGATED INDIVIDUALLY. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THIS MOTION TO A VOTE? SEEING THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, UH, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY. IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THIS MOTION IS PASSED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY. AND, UH, IS IT A, IS IT A MEMO? UH, LETTER? UH, I GUESS WE SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT. UH, WELL, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A, UH, MEMO AND WELL, AN ACTUAL LETTER TO IAD ASKING THAT THEY, UH, REASSESS THAT AND THAT THEY INVESTIGATE THESE COMPLAINTS INDIVIDUALLY. PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT, FOR THAT, UH, CLARIFICATION. AND, UH, THE OFFICE HAS THAT NOTED. AND, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH IAD UH, THANK YOU. WE, UH, WE HAVE NOW, UH, MOVED. WE HAVE, UH, ARE TO THE POINT NOW WHERE WE CAN MOVE ON TO, UH, UPDATES ON THE MEETING. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM THREE F, ITEM THREE F, UH, THERE'S AN OCPO, UH, DIRECTOR SEARCH UPDATE. AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO GIVE AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD ON THE PROGRESS. UH, I DO WANNA COMMEND THE INTERIM, UH, CITY MANAGER, UH, KIM TOLBERT, UH, FOR, UH, KEEPING THE BOARD UP TO DATE. AND, UH, AS FAR AS ALSO KEEPING US IN, UH, IN COMMUNICATION AND BEING A PART OF THE PROCESS OF SELECTING THE, NO, THE NEW OCPO, UH, DIRECTOR, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD A DIRECTOR, UH, ALMOST OVER A YEAR, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, AND, UH, WE'VE HAD INTERIM, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UH, WHO'S, WHO'S FILLED IN. BUT, UH, THE OFFICE IS NEEDED AS SOMEONE, UM, WHO COULD TAKE THIS ON, UH, FULL TIME. AND, UH, EVER SINCE, UH, KIM TOLBERT HAS COME INTO HER ROLE AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER, THERE HAS BEEN MOVEMENT AND THERE HAS BEEN MOMENTUM. AND I DO WANNA COMMEND HER, UH, FOR MAKING THIS A PRIORITY, UH, IN, IN HER, UH, I GUESS, ADMINISTRATION. AND, UM, AND SO JUST TO GIVE A TIMELINE, UH, TO THE BOARD ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS, UH, ON, UH, JULY 15TH, UH, LAST MONTH, UH, A FEW OF US ON THE BOARD, MYSELF AND, AND BOARD MEMBER MAPLES, WE'RE ABLE TO MEET WITH THE, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM POLLY HIRE. AND, UH, POLLY HIRE IS THE, UH, HEADHUNTING FIRM THAT, UH, WAS PUT, UH, THE TASK WAS TO FIND, UH, QUALIFIED CANDIDATES FOR THE OCPO DIRECTOR IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND, UH, THEY CAME WITH SEVEN CANDIDATES THAT WERE, THAT WERE QUALIFIED, UH, AND, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER ALLOWED, UH, FOR BOARD MEMBER MAPLES [02:25:01] AND I TO LOOK THROUGH THOSE RESUMES. AND ALONG WITH HER, UH, OR INPUT, WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH, UH, FOUR OF THOSE SEVEN THAT WE WANTED TO, UH, BRING TO DALLAS THAT COULD BE INTERVIEWED. AND, UH, AND SO, UH, FOUR OF THE SEVEN, UH, WERE SELECTED, UH, FROM THE SEVEN RESUMES THAT POLY HIRE, UH, CONDUCTED. AND, UH, ON APRIL 1ST, THESE FOUR CANDIDATES, UH, THEY DID COME TO DALLAS, UM, AUGUST, I APOLOGIZE, AUGUST 1ST. ON AUGUST 1ST, UM, THESE FOUR CANDIDATES, UH, CAME, UH, TO DALLAS. AND IT WAS A ROUND OF INTERVIEWS, A FULL DAY OF INTERVIEWS. UM, THERE WAS FIVE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, PANELS, AND, UH, THE BOARD, WE WERE ONE OF THE FIVE PANELS. UH, I BELIEVE, UH, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES WAS A PART OF THE PANEL, UH, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS WAS THERE, UH, BOARD MEMBER AT D WADSWORTH WAS PRESENT. AND THEN A BOARD MEMBER, DAVID KITNER WAS PRESENT. AND THEN MYSELF, UH, WE WERE PRESENT. AND, UH, WE ALSO HAD INVITED, UM, UH, BOARD MEMBER, UM, D DRE OR, UM, BOARD MEMBER, UM, MAN, UH, GRAM, APOLOGIZE, I FORGOT YOUR LAST NAME. BUT HE, UH, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HE HAD SCHOOL THAT DAY, UH, AS A, AS A TEACHER, AS A FIRST DAY TEACHER. SO HE WAS UNABLE TO JOIN, BUT HE WAS, UH, INVITED TO COME, AND WE WERE ABLE TO INTERVIEW EACH OF THE FOUR CANDIDATES, UH, THAT HAD COME AN HOUR, UH, PER CANDIDATE. AND, UM, IT WAS A GREAT PROCESS. UH, WE AS A, AS A, AS BOARD MEMBERS WERE ALSO ABLE TO SELECT, UH, A FEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT SIT THAT REPRESENTED A SEPARATE PANEL. AND I, I DO THINK, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER FOR GIVING US AS A BOARD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CHOOSE AND SELECT, UH, THE, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE PART OF THAT PANEL. AND, UH, AND SO THAT HAPPENED ON AUGUST 1ST. AND, UH, THESE FOUR CANDIDATES CAME AND, AND SPOKE WITH ALL THESE PANELS. AND, UH, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION. A FEW OF US HAD A CONVERSATION, UH, WITH INTERIM CITY MANAGER YESTERDAY. AND, UH, WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS THAT, UM, SHE WILL DECIDE ON TWO CANDIDATES THIS FRIDAY. SO OF THE FOUR, UM, SHE WILL DECIDE TOO. SHE DID ASK FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND WE GAVE HER OUR RECOMMENDATION. AND, UH, WE CAN OF COURSE TALK ABOUT THAT AS BOARD MEMBERS, UH, TALK TO ANY OF US THAT WERE THERE, BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS KITNER, UH, WADSWORTH, UH, AND WE CAN SHARE, UH, WITH YOU OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE INTERVIEWS. UH, SO ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 16TH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER WILL SELECT TWO OF FINALISTS, UH, AND WILL KEEP US UPDATED ON THE TWO FINALISTS. AND THEN HER GOAL IS BY AUGUST 23RD TO SELECT THE FINAL CANDIDATE, WHICH IS, UH, TWO FRIDAYS FROM NOW. AND, UM, SHE OF COURSE, LET US KNOW THAT SHE'S GONNA LET US KNOW FIRST BEFORE THIS IS MADE PUBLIC. BUT, UH, THAT IS, UH, GOOD NEWS THAT HOPEFULLY BY NEXT MEETING, WE WILL KNOW WHO THE NEXT DIRECTOR OF OVER THE OVERSIGHT OFFICE WILL BE. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHEN THE START DATE WILL BE BECAUSE, UH, SOME OF, SOME OF THE CANDIDATES ARE, UM, OUT OF STATE. AND OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE, UH, RELOCATION AND, AND NOT QUITE SURE, UM, THE TIMELINE ON WHEN THE START DATE WILL BE. BUT I, I THINK AT LEAST IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE KNOWLEDGE, HOPEFULLY BY, UH, AUGUST 23RD OF WHO THE FINAL CANDIDATE IS. SO, UH, WANTED TO GIVE THAT UPDATE TO THE BOARD, UH, ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE A PART OF THE PROCESS. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, THAT I'VE MISSED, OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE UPDATE TO THE, TO THE BOARD, BOARD MEMBER? HIGGINS, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID. UH, I DO THINK THAT, UM, UH, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE PANELS. UM, LIKE THERE WAS A PANEL WITH POLICE ASSOCIATION, UH, MEMBERS OF, UH, DIFFERENT POLICE ASSOCIATIONS THAT ACTUALLY, UH, HAD THEIR OWN PANEL, UM, WHICH WE WEREN'T AWARE OF UNTIL WE WERE THERE THE DAY OF THE INTERVIEWS, WHICH RAISED SOME CONCERN FOR US. RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, UM, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT ALL POLICE ASSOCIATIONS IN THE CITY, BUT HISTORICALLY, POLICE ASSOCIATIONS HA HAVE BEEN, UH, HISTORICAL CHALLENGE TO THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE. UM, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN BE SITTING HERE IF IT WAS UP TO THE POLICE [02:30:01] ASSOCIATIONS . SO I, I FELT LIKE, UH, AND, AND MORE, I, I, I, I'M SPEAKING FOR THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS NOW, BUT THAT WERE PRESENT, BUT WE, WE FELT STRONGLY THAT IT WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UH, FOR THEM TO BE THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, CHIEF GARCIA WAS ALSO A PART OF ONE OF THE PANELS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I FELT STILL WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO BE INTERVIEWING THE PERSON WHO WILL BE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSIGHT OF THE INSTITUTION THAT YOU RUN. BUT, UM, OKAY. BUT TO HAVE THE POLICE, UM, ASSOCIATIONS THERE, I FEEL LIKE IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH DEFERENCE. AND THE TENSION, ONCE AGAIN, THE CULTURE OF DALLAS, IS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OVERSIGHT AND ANYTHING ABOUT OVERSIGHT, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND TRANSPARENCY, WE CONTINUE TO WEIGHT IT TOWARDS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INSTEAD OF, UH, UH, MAKING IT SOMETHING THAT'S CENTERED IN COMMUNITY INTEREST. AND SO, I, I, I JUST WANT THAT TO BE, BE STATED FOR THE RECORD. JUDGE LANDER, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UM, DID THESE POLICE ASSOCIATIONS AND THE POLICE CHIEF, WERE THEY SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR CANDIDATE BECOMING, UH, ONE OF THE FINALISTS? SO WE WERE, UH, WE WERE INFORMED BY, UH, UH, CITY MANAGER TOLBERT, THAT THEY, UH, WERE PARTICIPANTS IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, AND THAT, UM, THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY WEIGHT IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS ON WHO WOULD BE COMING. THAT'S MY QUESTION. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT THIS PROCESS? SEEING THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, WE CAN NOW MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. UH, THIS IS ITEM 3G, WHICH IS AN UPDATE 3G ON THE CITY COUNCIL CHARTER PROPOSED AMENDMENT. UH, AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT I'D LOVE TO HAVE WITH THE BOARD. UH, I WAS HOPING TO HAVE IT ON FRIDAY OF, OF LAST WEEK, BUT THAT MEETING WAS UNFORTUNATELY CANCELED. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SET THE STAGE FOR THIS DISCUSSION. I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS INVITE BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT, UH, WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE EACH DISTRICT TIME TO SPEAK ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS PROPOSED, UH, AMENDMENT, UH, THIS RECOMMENDATION BY THE CITY CHARTER COMMITTEE. UH, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE FEEL AS A BOARD ON THIS IF WE'RE UNITED ON THIS, OR IF THERE'S DIFFERENT OPINIONS. AND I, I'D LOVE TO, SO, SO THAT WE AS A BOARD COULD KIND OF, UH, PUBLICLY, I GUESS, SHARE HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THIS. UH, THERE IS A, UH, A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, TOMORROW I WILL BE, I'M SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC. SO WHAT I HOPE IS TO GLEAN, UH, TO GAUGE WHERE WE ARE AS A BOARD. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THE BOARD BASED ON HOW THE CONVERSATION GOES, BUT I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, UH, IF THE BOARD IS NOT IN, UH, IF WE'RE NOT UNIFIED IN OUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. UH, SO I, I WILL GIVE, UH, BOARD MEMBER FRIEDMAN THE, THE FLOOR TO GIVE A BACKGROUND, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO DISTRICT BY DISTRICT. I'M GONNA GIVE, LET'S GIVE TWO MINUTES, UH, EACH TO EACH, UH, DISTRICT TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS, YOU CAN ALWAYS PASS. UH, AND THEN AFTER EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE, UH, THEN WE WILL, UM, OPEN IT UP FOR FOR SECONDS, YOU KNOW, A FEW COMMENTS HERE AND THERE. BUT LET'S KEEP TIME. 'CAUSE THERE'S 15 OF US TIMES TWO. THAT'S A LOT OF TIME. SO LET'S JUST BE AWARE OF, OF, OF THE TIME WE'RE TAKING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS THAT CAN ADD TO IT. UH, IN ORDER FOR US TO MAXIMIZE TIME, LET'S BE RESPECTFUL. BUT BOARD, BOARD MEMBER FREEMAN WANNA GIVE YOU THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW TO GIVE US A BACKGROUND OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. SURE. THANKS. UH, BRANDON FREEMAN, DISTRICT 14. UM, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A, A BRIEF BACKGROUND. I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW WHERE, WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM, BUT IT'S ALSO SORT OF A, A MOVING TARGET. THERE'S A LOT IN MOTION AS WE SPEAK WITH THE, THE MEETING COMING UP TOMORROW. SO, UH, IN THE WAKE OF THE ELL LANE INVESTIGATION, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT MOVING, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT FOR THE CITY DIRECTLY UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, I THINK MOST MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SORT OF AGREED WITH THAT. UM, DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THIS AS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR. UH, THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TOOK IT UP, UH, THEY VOTED ON IT, UM, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT IT MOVE FORWARD TO THE FULL COUNCIL. SO IT, SO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AGREED THAT THE OCPO DIRECTOR SHOULD BE UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL, NOT UNDER THE CITY MANAGER. UM, FROM THAT POINT, THE CITY COUNCIL HELD A STRAW VOTE OR STRAW POLL, UH, I GUESS ABOUT [02:35:01] A MONTH AGO. THEY VOTED, THEY VOTED IT DOWN IN THE STRAW POLL, WHICH IS NOT A BINDING VOTE, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WASN'T GONNA BE SUPPORT FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER BY THE COUNCIL. UM, AT THAT POINT, I HAD A BACK AND FORTH WITH COUNCILMAN BASIL DUA, WHO SAID THAT THE REASON HE DIDN'T SUPPORT IT WAS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO FACILITATE A REWRITE OF THE ENTIRE CITY ORDINANCE ABOUT FOR POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND THAT HE WANTED TO DO IT THAT WAY. SO I SAID, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT, THAT'S THE, TO ME, THAT'S THE SECOND BEST OPTION, UH, THAT WE REWRITE THE ORDINANCE. SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF WORK, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA DO, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO. UM, AND THEN JUST THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK, UH, I WAS MADE AWARE THAT A NUMBER OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY HAVE CHANGED THEIR MINDS, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HOLD THE BINDING VOTE TOMORROW ABOUT WHETHER TO PLACE THE OCPO DIRECTOR, UM, UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL AND REMOVE IT FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. UM, I KNOW THAT A COUPLE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY ARE GOING TO SPEAK AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING TOMORROW, UM, AND TRY TO INFLUENCE THE COUNCIL ON, ON HOW THEY VOTE. UM, BUT I, AS FAR AS I KNOW, UH, THAT'S THE INFORMATION I HAVE. I KNOW OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SPOKEN TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS OR OTHERS, AND MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN I DO, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF WHERE WE ARE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S OPEN IT UP TO, UH, EACH DISTRICT. I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, DISTRICT ONE, UH, OZZIE SMITH. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON, ON THIS? AND, AND AGAIN, WE'LL TRY TO LIMIT THESE COMMENTS TO AT LEAST TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TWO MINUTES OR SO. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, OF COURSE HERE, IF YOU'RE ON A RULE, WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP YOU. BUT, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROPOSAL? YEAH, OZZIE SMITH, DISTRICT ONE, UM, I'M DEFINITELY, UM, IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING, UM, MOVING THE POLICE OVERSIGHT OUT FROM UNDER THE CITY MANAGER. UM, I THINK AS WE, WE JUST SEE THE CONFLICTS OF WORKING WITH AND HAVING CERTAIN REQUESTS GO DIRECTLY TO THE CITY MANAGER REGARDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH REPORTS DIRECTLY UP THROUGH HER. UM, BUT WE ARE A BOARD THAT REP, IN MY PERSPECTIVE. LET ME ADD THAT IN THERE. WE ARE A BOARD THAT REPRESENTS THE COMMUNITY, AND THE COMMUNITY IS REPRESENTED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THOSE OFFICIALS REPRESENTS EACH OF OUR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS. SO I FEEL IT'S ONLY NATURAL THAT WE SHOULD REPORT THAT WAY. UM, AND I'M OPEN TO, UM, COMING AND ASSISTING TOMORROW, UM, IF NOT IN WORD, JUST IN, UH, PHYSICAL PRESENCE. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER SMITH. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DISTRICT TWO BOARD MEMBER MAPLES. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, UH, PROPOSAL? I ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE I AM. YEAH, WE, WE NEED TO DEFINITELY BE UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL. WE REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY, THE CITIZENS. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I STAND. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER MAPLES. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE CHANGA HIGGINS, DISTRICT THREE AT THE FLOOR IS YOURS AT THIS TIME. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS ? I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, I WOULD JUST SAY, UM, THAT I'M IN SUPPORT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IN 2019 WHEN WE DID THESE NEGOTIATIONS, WE NEVER INTENDED FOR IT TO STOP WHERE IT IS NOW. WE ALWAYS KNEW, AND, AND THE CONVERSATION WAS WITH THE CITY MANAGERS, WITH THE MAYOR, OR WITH THE, WITH, WITH THE DPD IN THE ROOM WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE ROOM TO HELP MEDIATE THAT. WE KNEW IT WASN'T, UH, UP FOR CHARTER REVIEW A YEAR FOR CHARTER REVIEW. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT CAME AROUND, THIS NEEDED TO BE PROPOSED. SO THIS IS JUST US DOING THE WORK THAT WE INTENDED TO DO INITIALLY IN 2019 BY REQUESTING THIS. AND SO, I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD REALLY, AND IN LIGHT OF THE SHENANIGANS, I'LL JUST CALL IT, WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST, UH, UH, FEW MONTHS THAT WE HAVE HAD TO ENDURE, UM, UH, WITH INVESTIGATIONS, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONING OUR AUTHORITY TO DO INVESTIGATIONS. I THINK IT'S KIND OF EVIDENT THAT WE NEED TO, UM, SUPPORT THIS AND, AND THE DIRECTOR SHOULD BE UNDER CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS. APPRECIATE THAT. THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE FLOOR TO DR. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR. UH, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROPOSAL? WELL, WHEN, UM, MINISTER ALEXANDER PROPOSED THIS, I WAS VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT AFTER AS BOARD MEMBER, UH, HIGGINS SAID THE SHENANIGANS THAT WENT ON, UM, THROUGHOUT, [02:40:02] NOT JUST LAST YEAR, BUT WE NEVER GOT RESPONSES FROM THE FORMER CITY, UH, MANAGER. SO THAT LEFT US NOWHERE. BUT WE DO REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. AND IF, IF OUR PROPOSALS AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS GO BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND THEY SEE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, THEN THEY WILL ANSWER BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ANSWER. IF THEY, IF THEY OPPOSE IT, THEN THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THEY'VE OPPOSED IT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT WON'T BE GOOD. SO I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL GET MORE SUPPORT COURT WHEN WE RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND THAT SOMETHING BE REVIEWED, OR WE ASK FOR A FURTHER INVESTIGATION THAT I BELIEVE IT'LL HAPPEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DISTRICT FOUR, UH, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO NOW RECOGNIZE DISTRICT FIVE, BRIAN BA, UH, TO COMMENT ON YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. BRIAN BA, DISTRICT FIVE. I HAD COMPLETELY SUPPORTED THIS PREVIOUSLY. I DIDN'T KNOW THE BACKSTORY OF THE REWRITE OPTION AND THE MOST RECENT UPDATES. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE SO FAR THAT THERE'S A UNIFIED APPROACH TO THIS OPTION RIGHT HERE. I'M, I'M OPEN TO OTHER OPTIONS IF THERE'S PRACTICAL REASONS FOR IT. I JUST DON'T PARTICULARLY UNDERSTAND WHY A REWRITE WOULD BE NECESSARY OR PREFERABLE. BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, I'M, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS PRESENT OPTION AND THIS PRESENT AMENDMENT. THANK YOU, MR. B, FOR THOSE COMMENTS. THE CHAIR WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE DEREK PEGRAM, DISTRICT SIX. LIBERTY TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, THIS PROPOSED PROPOSAL. I DEFINITELY, UH, SUPPORT IT AS WELL. WHEN I, WHEN I CAME IN, I, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS EXCITED WAS ABOUT BEING PART OF BEING ABLE TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN ONCE I GOT IN, I SAW HOW THE BUREAUCRACY, HOW IT, UH, LAID OUT. I SAW THE, UM, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IT'S LIKE, WE'RE UNDER THIS, BUT WE, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THIS. AND THEN I FELT THE IMPOTENCE ONCE SOMETHING AS BIG AS THE ELL LANG CASE CAME UP, AND WE ARE REALLY MOVING. AND THEN I'M LIKE, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON UP UNDER THAT SITUATION. BUT I THINK DEFINITELY KNOWING THAT WE WILL BE UP UNDER THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE UNDER MM-HMM. , ONCE I LEARN, 'CAUSE I, I'M LEARNING THIS STUFF, I'M LIKE, WELL, WHY WERE WE EVEN UNDER THE MANAGEMENT? MM-HMM. , UM, CITY MANAGEMENT AND NOT THE COUNCIL. BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IF WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE, WE'RE THE HELP, YOU KNOW, HELP THEM HERE, HELP THEM BE HEARD, THEN WE SHOULD BE WITH THE COUNCIL, NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WHO, ONCE AGAIN, CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS WHAT I WAS FEELING. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. PEGRAM, FOR THOSE COMMENTS. UH, THE CHAIR WOULD NOW, NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE JUDGE LANDER DISTRICT EIGHT. UH, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS PROPOSAL? UH, YES. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD WAS ALREADY UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHETHER THE POLICE OVERSIGHT OFFICE IS UNDER THE, UM, CITY COUNCIL, IT IS NOT. THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT IS UNDER THE CITY MANAGER. AND I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT THAT THE OFFICE OF CITY OF, UH, POLICE OVERSIGHT SHOULD BE UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL, JUST LIKE THE BOARD IS. NOW, AM I INCORRECT IN MY ASSESSMENT THAT THE BOARD IS UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL ALREADY? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT. IF, UH, IF THAT IS CORRECT, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE TO THE REQUEST AND THEN NOT BE SAYING COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND OFFICE. UM, IT SHOULD SAY THE OFFICE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. CLARIFICATION BY BOARD FREEMAN. I, I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND I COULD BE WRONG, I THINK THAT'S, THIS HAS, I THINK THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED AMENDMENT, AND I THINK THIS WAS LATER CHANGED. OKAY. TO ONLY REFER TO THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT. VERY GOOD. 'CAUSE THIS, THIS, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE. WELL, IT IS, IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT MUST BE UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL. NOT SHOULD BE, NOT MAYBE, [02:45:01] BUT MUST BE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, AS WE HAVE SEEN AND HAS BEEN CLEARLY BROUGHT BY MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE OUR OFFICE IS BEING, WHERE THE OFFICE IS ASSOCIATED WITH US, IS BEING DISRESPECTED, AND THAT DISRESPECT BLEEDS OVER INTO THE BOARD. SO, YES, I AGREE THAT, UH, IT SHOULD BE UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTLY AND NOT UNDER THE CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU JUDGE LANDER, UH, FOR THOSE COMMENTS. THE CHAIR WOULD NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DISTRICT NINE, ALLISON GRINER ALLEN, UH, TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, DALLAS IS A REALLY BIG AND DIVERSE AND OFTEN CONTENTIOUS CITY, AND WE ARE GOVERNED BY A REALLY BIG AND DIVERSE, AND CONTENTIOUS AT TIMES CITY COUNCIL. AND I THINK THAT I HAVE NOTHING VERY SPECIFIC TO SAY ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR CITY MANAGER. AND I'M SURE THAT AT MANY TIMES WE HAVE RECEIVED EXCELLENT STEWARDSHIP FROM OUR CITY MANAGER. BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THE BEST LOOK FOR US TO BE REPORTING ONLY TO THE CITY MANAGER AND FOR OUR OFFICE TO BE ORGANIZED AND RUN THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. IF WE'RE GONNA BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A FOCUS GROUP THAT JUST SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY MANAGER, WE NEED TO HAVE AN OFFICE THAT IS A REAL DEPARTMENT. AND SO I THINK THAT TO SHOW THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO AND TO BE TRUSTED BY THE COMMUNITY, WE REALLY DO NEED TO BE A REAL DEPARTMENT CREATED, VOTED ON BY THE COMMUNITY, EMPOWERED BY THE COMMUNITY, GOVERNED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, JUST LIKE THE COMMUNITY IS. AND SO I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BOARD MEMBER GOODGER ALLEN, THE CHAIR, WOULD NOW LIKE TO RECOGNIZE ARLENE STEINFELD, DISTRICT 11, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL. AND, UH, I'M GONNA JUST GO AHEAD. YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. GO AHEAD. JUST TO KEEP THIS BRIEF, I AGREE WITH USE THAT IT SHOULD BE MOVED UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL AND FOR THE REASONS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. STEINFELD. APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENCE ONLINE. AND AT THIS TIME, THE, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE D WADSWORTH DISTRICT 12. UH, PLEASE SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS PROPOSAL. WELL, I SEEM TO BE OUT ON A LIMB, UM, . I DO BELIEVE THAT THE OFFICE, I'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK. HAS SOMEBODY GOT A MICROPHONE ON? WE DO NOT SEE A MICROPHONE ON, UH, MS. WADSWORTH. OKAY. I GUESS IT WAS JUST ME. MY CITY HALL MICROPHONE THING SHOWS IT'S LIT UP. ANYWAY, MY IDEA IS THAT THE OFFICE SHOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE, AS SHOULD THE CITY OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL. I THINK THOSE TWO SHOULD BE TOGETHER. NOW, INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE CURRENTLY REPORTS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHICH I FIND TO BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN ITSELF. BUT MY ISSUE WITH A DIRECT REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL IS THOSE ARE 14 MEMBERS THAT DON'T AGREE ON MUCH. HOW WOULD OUR DIRECTOR GET AGREEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH X OR Y AND THEY CAN'T GET AGREEMENT. I MEAN, IS IT JUST GONNA BE A VOTE? OR HOW DID THEY GET ON THE AGENDA? I MEAN, I THINK IT COULD BE VERY COMPLICATED TO SAY THE OFFICE WOULD REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW ENTITY THAT IS SEPARATE OVER HERE, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. WADSWORTH, FOR THOSE COMMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND, UH, THERE'LL BE A TIME TO RESPOND TO, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE COMMENTS LATER. UH, FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE AT THIS TIME, DISTRICT 14, BRANDON FRIEDMAN. UH, WHAT ARE YOUR ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON, UH, THIS PROPOSAL? UM, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14? UH, I, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. UH, I DO THINK THAT HOWEVER IT WORKS, UH, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT SHOULD FALL UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND NOT THE CITY MANAGER IF WE'VE SEEN TOO MANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT. UM, AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS, COULD YOU TELL US, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WHAT TIME THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS TOMORROW? [02:50:03] FOR SURE. UH, WHEN I SIGNED UP, THEY, UH, TOLD ME TO BE THERE AT 9:00 AM TOMORROW. SO I, I WILL BE HERE AT NINE, OH, BEFORE NINE, BUT BE READY TO SPEAK AT NINE IF, UH, WHEN MY NAME IS, IS CALLED. UM, AND IT'S, UH, I'LL SHARE MY THOUGHTS AS WELL. I'M ALSO IN FAVOR, UH, OF THIS PROPOSAL. UM, AND I, I'VE BEEN SHARING WITH SOME THAT I, YOU KNOW, IN, IN A LOT OF WAYS, UH, I'VE HAD THE BLESSING OF WORKING UNDER TWO CITY MANAGERS. AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE TALE OF TWO CITIES. UM, YOU KNOW, TC NIKS, A LOT OF, UH, NOT A LOT OF SUPPORT. A A LOT OF, UH, TIME BETWEEN COMMUNICATIONS, NOT A LOT OF INPUT. AND I, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT MY TIME WITH, UH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, TOLBERT, HAS BEEN POSITIVE SO FAR. UH, SHE'S INCLUDED US. THERE'S BEEN CONSIDERABLE MOVEMENT. BUT WHAT THAT HAS TAUGHT ME IS THAT THE BOARD AND THE OFFICE, IT IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO PERSONALITY. IT'S, IT'S VERY PERSON CENTRIC INSTEAD OF PEOPLE DRIVEN. AND, UH, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE CONTINUITY. THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE, UM, IT, IT CAN'T BE SET UP TO WHERE WE'RE AT THE, THE DISCRETION OF WHO THE CITY MANAGER IS, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN, IN A GOOD PLACE WITH THE ICM TOLBERT. BUT, UM, IF SHE'S NOT THE CITY MANAGER AND SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN, AND THIS PARTICULAR CITY MANAGER ISN'T AS POSITIVE TOWARDS OVERSIGHT AUTOMATICALLY, THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP, THE OFFICE IS SHUT DOWN. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT. UH, OF COURSE THERE IS A LOT OF DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED AS FAR AS HOW ORGANIZATION WILL HAPPEN. HOW WILL THE BOARD GET THINGS ON THE AGENDA? HOW WILL THE BOARD BE INPUTTED INTO THE BUDGET? YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE SMART PEOPLE, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS, THAT WE ARE SMART ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. UH, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE NEED STRUCTURE, THEY NEED CONSISTENCY. AND I BELIEVE THIS MOVE WOULD ALLOW THAT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH WE HAVE ALL, THERE'S NOT ALL DISTRICTS WERE PRESENT, BUT ALL BUT ONE WERE IN THE POSITIVE. UH, SOME VERY VALID POINTS WERE BROUGHT UP BY MS. WADSWORTH. UH, DOES ANYONE WHO VOTED WHO WOULD VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, WANT TO RESPOND TO ANY OF HER CONCERNS? IF I CAN BRIEFLY, UM, BOARD MEMBER WADSWORTH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THE OFFICE IS MADE INTO A REAL DEPARTMENT UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL, THE ORDINANCE WILL HAVE TO BE REWRITTEN, BASICALLY, TO, TO REFLECT THAT NEW RELATIONSHIP AND THE NEW STRUCTURE OF THE OFFICE. AND OF COURSE, THE OFFICE IS, UM, EVOLVING ANYWAY. UM, SO I THINK THAT YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT EVEN MORE, UM, INDEPENDENCE FROM CITY COUNCIL OR THE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THAT MIGHT SEEK TO INFLUENCE THE, THE BOARD OR THE OFFICE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE WORKED INTO THAT KIND OF TRANSITION. BUT I, AT THE RISK OF, OF SAYING THAT THIS IS A CART THAT REALLY NEEDS TO GO BEFORE THE HORSE, I THINK THAT WITHOUT A VOTE FROM THE PEOPLE THIS NOVEMBER THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT DEPARTMENT, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY OF THOSE CHANGES. AND THIS IS, THIS IS A REALLY CRUCIAL TIME JUST POLITICALLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT THE OFFICE ON THE BALLOT AND, AND HEAR THAT MANDATE DIRECTLY FROM THE VOTERS. AND I, I WOULD HATE FOR US TO PASS UP THAT OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. UM, MAY I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? CHAIRMAN? OF COURSE, MS. WADSWORTH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OKAY. SO I THINK WE HAVE SUCH A SHORT, UM, WINDOW HERE TO, UH, PROMOTE THIS ONE OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE TO TAKE A LONG VIEW OF IT AND LOOK AT WHAT DOES OVERSIGHT AND COMMUNITY, UM, GOOD PRACTICES AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS, HOW DO WE DO THIS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, I THINK FOR MANY CITIES, THE, THE KIND OF WORK WE DO IN THAT OFFICE IS DONE BY AN INSPECTOR GENERAL. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I THINK WE SHOULD COMBINE WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, NUMBERS, YOU CAN GET A LOT MORE NUMBERS [02:55:01] TO WORK WITH AS FAR AS BUDGETING OR WHATEVER COMBINING. AND I THINK BOTH OF THEM NEED TO BE SEPARATE AND NOT REPORTING TO THE CITY MANAGER. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE OUR TINY LITTLE DEPARTMENT OUT ON A LIMB ALL BY ITSELF TRYING TO IMPROVE BETTER POLICING AND, AND GET TO THE GOALS WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? OR, OH, OH, BOARD MEMBER SMITH. YOU HAD YOUR, UH, YOUR HEAD UP. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. WHEN YOU TOOK A BITE TO EAT. OKAY. WELL, IF THERE'S A, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? CAN I HAVE A, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. IS IT FAIR TO SAY BOARD MEMBER WADSWORTH, THAT ALTHOUGH YOU ARE NOT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CHARTER AMENDMENT, IT IS NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HAVING THE OFFICE UNDER THE CITY MANAGER? UH, THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. I WOULD SEEK MUCH, MUCH MORE INDEPENDENCE FOR BOTH OUR DEPARTMENT AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND TAKE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OUT OF CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I MEAN, NOT CITY MANAGER, I MEANT, UH, THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH REPORTS TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO BOARD MEMBER MEMBER WADSWORTH, IF THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK TOMORROW AT CITY COUNCIL WERE TO SAY THAT OF ALL OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT AT THE MEETING, EVERYBODY WAS IN FAVOR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE BOARD MEMBER WHO REALLY DIDN'T THINK IT WENT FAR ENOUGH IN GAINING INDEPENDENCE AND POLITICAL, UM, AND CORRUPTIBILITY FOR THE OFFICE. WELL, I THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INDEPENDENCE IN, UM, INVESTIGATIONS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AUDITS EVERYTHING THAT COMES UNDER INSPECTOR GENERAL COMPLAINTS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST POLICE COMPLAINTS. WE ADVOCATE FOR ONE AREA POLICE COMPLAINTS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF COMPLAINTS. AND I THINK THOSE COMBINED TOGETHER WOULD BE A POWERFUL VOICE FOR THE PEOPLE. POWERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. WADSWORTH. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS? UH, AND I THINK WE DO HAVE, UH, UH, SOME CONTENT TO, UH, TO GO TOMORROW TO THE, TO THE BOARD, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL. YES. BOARD MEMBER HIGGINS. SO, UH, I WOULD JUST, UH, LIKE TO KIND OF BACK, UH, PIGGYBACK ON YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A, A, A CRITIQUE OF THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER. TOLBERT HAS BEEN TRANSPARENT. SHE'S BEEN OPEN AND RECEPTIVE, AND REALLY, UH, SINCE SHE'S BEEN ON BOARD, WE'VE HAD MORE MOVEMENT FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UM, SINCE I'VE SEEN THE BOARD, UM, IN EXISTENCE FOR THE PAST ALMOST FOUR YEARS. SO, UM, UH, IT, IT'S NOTHING TO, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, THE CRITIQUE OR IT'S NOTHING NEGATIVE TO, TO, TO HER ABILITIES OR HER LEADERSHIP. IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL STRUCTURAL, UM, THING. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS JUST FINISHING THE WORK WE STARTED. SO. SOUNDS GOOD. I, I ALSO GOT WORD THAT, UH, MINISTER DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER IS, IS ONLINE. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, ERIC OR CLARK, I KNOW THAT HE'S BEEN A PROPONENT OF THIS AND, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, DONE A LOT OF LEGWORK. I THOUGHT I'D GIVE HIM A FEW MINUTES TO SHARE HIS THOUGHTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. ANYONE FROM THE OFFICE, UH, ABLE TO, TO SEE, UH, IF MINISTER ALEXANDER IS, UH, IS ONLINE? HEY CLARK. UH, DO YOU SEE MINISTER DOMINIQUE ALEXANDER ONLINE? HEY, CHAIRMAN DAVIDSON, THIS IS ERIC. UM, I DON'T SEE HIS SPECIFIC NAME. WE HAVE SOMEBODY, UH, THAT WAS JUST AS THE PANELIST IN THE NAME OF ZENA. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS, UH, THE NAME THAT DOMINIQUE IS USING ON HERE, BUT I DO NOT SEE HIS NAME SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. WELL, I GUESS SINCE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SURE, UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA INVITE A RANDOM PERSON, UH, WHO WE DON'T KNOW, UM, TO, TO JOIN. BUT THANK YOU FOR CHECKING ON THAT. WELL, THAT'S GOOD. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH CONTENT TO, UH, TO COME TO THE BOARD, TO THE CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW, AND, UH, SHARE HOW THE BOARD FEELS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DISCUSSION ON THIS. I KNOW IT WAS LONG, BUT WE JUST HADN'T HAD A FAMILY MEETING ABOUT THIS AND, UH, WANTED TO HEAR EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS, UH, 'CAUSE YOUR, YOUR INPUT IS VALUABLE. AND SO IT'S, UH, I THINK WE HAVE SOME [03:00:01] GOOD CONTENT TOMORROW TO SHARE, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT HOW WE, UH, COLLECTIVELY FEEL AS A BOARD. SO, THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, UH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE NOW TO, UH, ITEM THREE. I, UH, THREE I. AND, UH, THIS IS, UH, THE MONTHLY ARREST DATA, UH, FOR THE MONTH OF MAY, JUNE AND JULY. UM, THAT IS, UH, THE DPD MONTHLY ARREST DATA. IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO LOOK IT OVER, UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME MOMENTS OF, OF TIME FOR YOU TO LOOK IT OVER. AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, PLEASE, UH, BRING IT TO THE FLOOR. UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO. YES, MR. MAPLES, UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MY FUZZY MATH OR, OR WHAT, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT JUMPS OUT TO ME AND IT JUMPS, IT HAS JUMPED OUT AT ME EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MONTHLY ARRESTS, AND THEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN BY ETHNIC GROUP, I DON'T BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES. TRUST ME, LORD. LORD KNOWS I DON'T. BUT 53% LOOK LIKE ME. I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, I'M SORRY, 23%. YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE ABOUT 23% OF THE POPULATION THAT THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS A GLARING DISPARITY. MM-HMM. JUST GLARING AND NOT POINTING THE FINGER. BUT THAT'S A HIGH ASS NUMBER. I MEAN, IT TRULY IS. UM, AND IT, WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN THE NUMBER GETS TO BE THAT HIGH, I THINK THAT IT WARRANTS SOME PEELING BACK THE ONION JUST TO KINDA SEE MAYBE WHAT'S GOING ON OR HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, , IT AFFECTS ALL OF US. IT DOES, YEAH. IT, IT, IT AFFECTS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US. SO I, I JUST REALLY NEEDED TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S EVERY SINGLE MONTH. EVERY SINGLE MONTH. SO, UM, THANK YOU. I GOT SOME HOUSE CLEANING THINGS I WANT TO ADDRESS AT THE END, BUT THAT, THAT JUST, UH, YEAH, THAT JUST REALLY RUBS ME THE ALONG THE WRONG WAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT NEEDS TO BE SAID. APPRECIATE THAT. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES A BOARD MEMBER. ALLEN, WE JUST, VERY BRIEFLY, I'M JUST, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT ANOTHER MEETING IS NOT GONNA GO BY WITHOUT SOMEBODY POINTING OUT THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE EMBARRASSINGLY WILD. AND I, I MEAN, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THIS BOARD IS HERE IS TO GET THESE NUMBERS IN CHECK. AND EVERY SINGLE MONTH, THEY ARE CRAZY JUDGE LAND HERE. UM, I AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. I'LL BREAK IT DOWN EVEN MORE. TWICE AS MANY BLACK PEOPLE AS HISPANICS HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH, AND TWICE AS MANY HISPANICS AS WHITES HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH. THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS. YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT MORE THAN HALF OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN THIS STATE IS BEING DONE BY BLACK FOLKS. AND WHEN YOU ADD IN HISPANICS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT, THREE FOURTHS, 3% WHITE FOLKS? 15, 15%. THAT MEANS 85% OF THE CRIME, ACCORDING TO THESE STATISTICS IN THIS CITY, ARE COMMITTED BY ETHNIC MINORITIES. I DON'T BUY THAT. I JUST DON'T BUY THAT. WILLIAM HIGGINS. SO, UM, OF COURSE, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, UH, UNDER THE FORMER DIRECTOR DID DO A, WE WE DID, AND I HELPED, UH, AS WORKING WITH THE LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE, AS ONE OF THE RESEARCHERS AND ANALYSTS THAT WROTE THE REPORT, UH, WE DID A TWO EXTENSIVE REPORTS ABOUT THESE ARRESTS, PARTICULARLY WE TARGETED MISDEMEANOR. AND THIS HAS BEEN A CONSTANT FOR DALLAS, HISTORICALLY, THAT 50% OR MORE OF THE ARREST, AND WE JUST FOCUSED ON MISDEMEANOR ARRESTS, BUT 50% OR MORE OF THE ARREST HAVE BEEN AFRICAN AMERICAN. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD AS WE HAVE OUR RESET AND WE GET INTO DOING OUR JOB, EVEN MORE [03:05:01] ANALYSIS OF THESE NUMBERS IS PART OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT 7 5, 2 1 6, YOU KNOW, UH, THE LAST TIME I CHECKED IT WAS THE MOST, UM, INCARCERATED ZIP CODE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT'S RIGHT HERE IN DALLAS. AND IT'S NUMBER TWO OF THE TOP 30 BY ZIP CODE ON THIS. AND THAT'S A CONSTANT AS WELL. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE GOT SOME WORK TO DO , YOU KNOW, UH, OURSELVES, UM, ABOUT THE NARRATIVE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN POLICING IN, IN, IN OUR CITY, RIGHT? LIKE, WE GOT A JOB TO DO AS WELL. AND PART OF THAT IS ANALYZING THIS DATA, UNDERSTANDING, DIGGING DEEPER INTO THE WHY, ON WHY THESE NUMBERS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, WE CAN DO OUR REPORT. WE CAN, WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO THOSE REPORTS BETWEEN THE OFFICE AND SOME OF THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE THAT WE HAVE AROUND THIS BOARD. WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY MAKE THAT A PRIORITY AND WHAT WE DO IN THE FUTURE. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MR. FREEMAN? UH, JUST ONE THING ON THIS, I I, I, THESE NUMBERS OBVIOUSLY JUMP OUT AT US. UM, THEY, THEY DON'T LOOK RIGHT. UH, ONE THING I, I WOULD ADD THOUGH, IS THAT FROM AN ACADEMIC PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN'T REALLY DRAW CONCLUSIONS JUST FROM THIS DATA HERE. IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH DATA. UM, ONE PIECE OF MISSING DATA I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT I THINK COULD ADD A LITTLE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MORE TEXTURE TO THIS AND GIVE US A MORE INFORMATION. IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD ADD, UH, MEDIAN INCOME BY ZIP CODE OR WHATEVER? BECAUSE LOOKING AT RACE, SEX COUNCIL DISTRICT ZIP CODE'S TELLING US SOMETHING. BUT I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN, UM, LIKE ARRESTS BY MEDIAN INCOME BECAUSE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT COULD ALSO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, WEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS AREN'T HAVING ANY ARRESTS AT ALL. THE POOREST NEIGHBORHOODS ARE HAVING, YOU KNOW, 95% OF THE ARREST. I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT THE MORE INFORMATION, THE MORE DATA WE CAN GET, I THINK WOULD HELP US. SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, AT A MINIMUM, COULD, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD ADD, UM, INCOME TO THIS MIX OF DATA, DR. CHANDLER OR SIERRA? IS THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE? UH, IS THAT DATA THAT CAN BE FOUND AND PRESENTED TO THE BOARD? THIS DATA IS PROVIDED TO US FROM DPD, BUT WE CAN INQUIRE ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OR THE CAPABILITY OF ADDING ADDITIONAL, UM, DETAIL AROUND THAT. UM, WE MAY ALSO REQUEST IF WE CAN DETERMINE HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED TO THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS AS WELL, THAT MIGHT PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INTERESTING, SORRY. INTERESTING. VERY INTERESTING. YEAH, THOSE TWO QUESTIONS WOULD BE VERY, VERY INTERESTING. UM, YES, MR. HIGGINS, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I MEAN, THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO THAT IS KIND OF OVERLAND CENSUS DATA, CENSUS DATA ON TOP OF THIS, RIGHT? UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET IT AS GRANULAR AS LIKE THE ACTUAL ARREST. I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY MEDIAN INCOME FOR 7 5 2 1 6, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER. BUT, UM, YEAH, BUT I, I DO AGREE WITH WHAT, UM, DIRECT CHANDLER IS SAYING. LIKE JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, BREAKING THIS DATA DOWN IN DIFFERENT SEGMENTS. LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE PATROLLING DIFFERENT AREAS, COULD GIVE US SOME MORE PICTURE, UH, UH, GIVE US A DEEPER PICTURE ON LIKE, WHAT'S HAPPENING. YOU MAY SEE THAT PER CAPITA, THERE, THERE ARE MORE OFFICERS PATROLLING CERTAIN AREAS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OR, YOU KNOW, WE COULD OVERLAY THAT BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I'M CURRENTLY DOING SOME OF THIS ANALYSIS MYSELF WITH USE OF FORCE, UM, AND CALL TIMES AND OTHER, OTHER, UH, OTHER, UM, FACTORS. SO, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DIG IN. WE NEED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS STRATEGICALLY ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO ANALYZE. THANK YOU MR. HIGGINS. BOARD MEMBER, DR. ALLEN. JUST BRIEFLY, I THINK THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY 200 YEARS OF TEXAS HISTORY GIVES US REASON TO, TO LOOK INTO RACE AND, AND ZIP CODE AND, AND THAT SORT OF A SEGREGATIONAL ACTIVITY. BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT ADDING SOCIOECONOMIC STUFF IS GONNA BE A LOT HARDER THAN, THAN YOU HOPE, BECAUSE FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS. FIRST OF ALL, WHEN YOU ARREST SOMEBODY, YOU DON'T GET ANY OF THEIR, LIKE, TAX INFORMATION. BUT ALSO THE ARREST ITSELF TENDS TO REALLY CHANGE PEOPLE'S SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS. FOLKS GET, UM, EVICTED BECAUSE OF ARRESTS. AND SO IT, WHAT, WHAT A PRISON SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS IS AT THE BEGINNING OF A POLICE INVOLVEMENT ISN'T GONNA BE THE SAME NECESSARILY AS WHAT IT IS [03:10:01] A MONTH DOWN THE LINE, OR EVEN WHEN THE CASE IS, IS DISPOSED. AND THE DALLAS COUNTY ITSELF, UM, IS REALLY, REALLY INVESTED INTO GETTING, UM, WHAT PEOPLE'S INCOME IS WHEN, WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY APPOINTMENT OF ATTORNEYS AND STUFF IS, UM, IN, IN SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO DO. AND IT'S, YOU CAN, I MEAN, EVEN A QUICK INQUIRY WITH DALLAS COUNTY WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE WAY BEHIND BEING ABLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH ANY REAL PRECISION. SO I THINK JUST, JUST HAVING SORT OF A WINDOW INTO THAT PART OF THE SYSTEM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT QUESTION TO GET WITH ANY REAL PRECISION. AND PROBABLY, UM, WITH THE TRANSITORY AND, AND FOLKS THAT MOVE EVERY YEAR, CENSUS STATE IS GONNA BE OUTDATED PRETTY QUICKLY TOO. HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET ANY BETTER THAN ZIP CODE. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER SMITH. YEAH. UM, I KIND OF AGREE WITH SEVERAL THINGS THAT SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BROUGHT UP, UM, ESPECIALLY A BOARD MEMBER OF FRIEDMAN. UM, WELL, WHAT I THINK, AND THIS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT GRANDIOSE, AND I HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO SPEND BUDGET, SO, UH, I'LL ASK IF WE EVEN HAVE THE BUDGET FOR SUCH, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO STEP BACK ONE AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THIS FULL RAW DATA? HOW MUCH RAW DATA CAN WE GET FROM CITY STAT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, UM, DATABASE THAT THE POLICE ARE USING. AND THEN WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT, 'CAUSE UH, AS BOY FREEMAN, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS HERE. UM, BUT WE DO SEE TRENDS. OUR EYEBALLS CAN DEFINITELY PICK OUT TRENDS. SO WE SEE SOME TRENDS, BUT WE NEED TO GO, YOU KNOW, SOME LEVELS DEEPER. UM, BUT IN LOOKING AT THAT DATA, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANNA LOOK AT DATA AND KIND OF BE DRIVEN BY, YOU KNOW, PERCENTS AND, AND GOING UP, GOING DOWN. WHAT ARE OUR, OUR OBJECTIVES FOR THE, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FRAMING THIS AROUND SOMETHING. DO WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S OVER-POLICING? DO WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S X, Y, OR Z? I'M NOT SAYING WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, OUR DECISIONS AS A BOARD TO ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS AND TO REACH OUT AND GET MORE INFORMATION. AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY, HOW DO WE SPEND MONEY TO FIND THE RIGHT, UM, STATISTICIANS OR EXPERTS TO HELP US DELVE DOWN INTO THESE NUMBERS, TO PULL OUT WHAT WE MAY SEE, WHAT WE MAY NOT SEE AS KIND OF SOME GLARING ISSUES THAT WE MAY WANT TO PRESENT TO THE CHIEF TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE DATA LOOKS LIKE, AND IS SAYING WE THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, OR WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE POLICING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET ALL OF OUR DATA. I THINK WE NEED TO FRAME IT AROUND, YOU KNOW, A FEW KEY ASPECTS THAT WE FEEL MAY BE GOING WRONG, AND THEY MAY BE GOING RIGHT. I DON'T ALWAYS WANNA SAY EVERYTHING IS GOING WRONG. THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT ARE GOING RIGHT AND WE WANT TO COMMEND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THOSE AND SAY, CONTINUE THOSE EFFORTS THAT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT THESE ITEMS SEEM LIKE THEY'RE GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAT WE'D LIKE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT. SO DO WE HAVE MONEY , MR. PEGRAM, YOU, YOU HAD YOUR, UH, HAND UP ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? AND I WAS ALSO, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT THE STATS SAY, I'M FROM, I'M DISTRICT SIX WEST DALLAS, WHERE I WAS BORN AND RAISED AT, AND I SEE THAT MY CITY, THAT SMALL OF AREA THAT'S BEING, UH, WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP, UH, THAT BRINGS ABOUT, UH, POLICE BRING ABOUT EVICTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WHEN I LOOK AT HOW THE, MY COMMUNITY IS CHANGING FOR THAT SIMPLE FACT THAT IS, THAT WARRANTS A LITTLE LOOKING INTO AS WHAT YOU SAY DEEPER. AND IF WE NEED TO FIND OUT FRAMING IT AROUND, WHY ARE THEY BEING, UM, POLICED OR OVERPOLICED IN SUCH A WAY? BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WHEN I LOOK AT WEST DALLAS, I DON'T SEE THIS, I DON'T SEE IT, BUT I DEFINITELY FEEL IT ONCE I DRIVE PAST SINGLETON DRIVE, UH, BOULEVARD AND GET IN THERE. I, I CAN FEEL ALL OF THIS TENSION. AND, AND FOR THE RECORD, UM, DISTRICT SIX HAS, DISTRICT SIX HAS THE HIGHEST OF ALL OF THEM. AND IF THAT MANY AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN ARE JUST IN THAT AREA BEING POLICED THAT HARD, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING TO FRAME IT AROUND DEFINITELY. AND DEFINITELY WARRANTS LOOKING DEEPER INTO. THANK YOU MR. BIGGER. APPRECIATE THAT. BUT HIGGINS, DID YOU HAVE A, ANY COMMENTS? YEAH. UM, SO ONE THING I I, IF I COULD, UM, I'D LIKE TO INVITE ALL OF YOU, AND I MEAN ALL OF YOU FROM CITY ATTORNEYS TO, UH, OFFICERS TO, UM, TO BOARD MEMBERS TO, UH, OUT TO [03:15:02] SPEAKING OF DATA, SOMETHING I'M DOING FRIDAY NIGHT. UM, OF COURSE YOU GUYS KNOW I'M, I'M THE FOUNDER OF DALLAS ACTION. FRIDAY NIGHT WE'RE HAVING SOMETHING CALLED ACTION LABS. AND IT, WE ARE CALLING IT A COMMUNITY DATA AND RESEARCH GATHERING POWERED BY THE PEOPLE WHERE WE'LL BE TAKING PUBLIC SAFETY DATA, UH, UH, CRIME DATA, POLICING DATA, UM, AND TALKING ABOUT ASSUMPTIONS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME INTERNS AND SOME DATA SCIENTISTS TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. SO, UM, ALL OF, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME AND PARTICIPATE, OR MAYBE SOMEBODY IN THE ENGAGEMENT OFFICE OR SOMETHING AT DPD CAN COME BE WELCOME, COME, IT'S, IT'S OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THIS FRIDAY, WHAT TIME? UH, AT FIVE 30. AND WHERE'S IT AT? IT'S AT GOOD COWORKING AT 1808 SOUTH. GOOD LATIMER. ALRIGHT, I'LL, UH, EXPRESSWAY, I'LL, I'LL SEND YOU A, UH, SOME INFORMATION AND WE CAN THANK YOU. AND I, I'LL I'LL PASS IT ON TO THE ENTIRE BOARD AND, AND, OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON MR. CHAIR? UH, YES. CLARK THE CHAIR. I, I JUST ASKED THE BOARD, I ASKED THE CHAIRMAN, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE DPD WHO HAS EXPERTS IN THESE NUMBERS, COME TO THE NEXT BOARD MEETING AND ANSWER THE QUANTITATIVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL ARE ASKED. THEY HAVE EXPERTS. THE NUMBERS ARE COMPILED BY THOSE EXPERTS. INSTEAD OF US LOOKING OUTSIDE OF DPD, WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY COMPILE THE CHARTS AND THE DATA THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, COME AND EXPLAIN WHAT THAT DATA AND THE CHARTS MEAN. AND THEN IF THAT'S NOT SATISFACTORY, THEN WE CAN LOOK TO OUTSIDE NEEDS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CLARK. THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I'D LOVE THAT TO HAPPEN. UH, HOW WOULD THE BOARD FEEL ABOUT INVITING, UM, A QUANT, UH, QUANTITATIVE EXPERT FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COME? 100% AGREED. I AGREE. BUT I THINK, UH, UM, TO BOARD MEMBERS', UH, POINT, I THINK WE NEED SOME OBJECTIVES AS WELL. LIKE WE NEED TO, UM, AT LEAST, UM, GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT SOME QUESTIONS TO DIRECT, UM, THAT CONVERSATION AROUND THE DATA. 'CAUSE THEY CAN GO ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND A REMINDER THAT RIGHT BEFORE, UH, THE FORMER DIRECTOR MCCLARY, UH, LEFT, UM, THAT YEAR, WELL ACTUALLY IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS. UH, SHE HAD MADE SEVERAL DATA REQUESTS TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT TO THIS DATE HAVE NEVER BEEN FILLED. AND ONE OF THOSE, THE, THE, THE LAST ONE THAT WAS MADE AROUND THE TIME THAT WE DID THE, UM, THE SECOND REPORT, UH, LAST YEAR, UM, WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE NOT EVEN ASKING FOR DATA. WE JUST WANT YOU TO SEND US A SCHEMA OF ALL THE DATA THAT YOU COLLECT. RIGHT? SO WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU ACTUALLY COLLECT. AND THEY ALSO DENIED HER AND SAID, YOU NEED TO FILE A FOIA REQUEST FOR THAT. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA, LET'S NOT FORGET THAT TO THIS DAY DATE TO THIS DAY, THIS BOARD HAS NEVER HAD A DATA REQUEST FULFILLED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THIS DAY. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. AND I THINK, UH, WHAT I THINK WE CAN DO IS WHEN WE SET THE AGENDA FOR THIS NEXT MEETING, I'LL WORK WITH THE OFFICE AND, UH, SEE WHO CAN GET DOWN HERE AND, UH, WHO CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. I DO THINK THESE ARE VALID CONCERNS AND IT'S BEEN PUT ON THE RECORD, UH, WHAT YOU'VE SAID, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ANSWERS. THANK YOU. YEAH, WELL, HE, HE'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE SHOULD, UH, BE UNDER THE COUNCIL. 'CAUSE THESE, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS WE CAN DEMAND. MM-HMM, , OKAY. UH, DO YOU WANNA DO, ALRIGHT, THE CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE DIRECTOR CHANDLER 'CAUSE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, ON THE OCPO WEBSITE THAT SHE WANTS TO SHARE, UH, ABOUT A DASHBOARD THAT'S GONNA BE MADE. UM, JUST SPEAKING OF DATA, I WANTED TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION THAT THE DATA, UM, THE DASHBOARD FOR COMPLAINTS IS READY FOR VIEWING. UM, WE DO HAVE IT ON THE CALENDAR FOR THURSDAY. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT THE DASHBOARD, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DATA. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, NOT QUITE. AND THEY WERE GONNA BE INVITED. YEAH. UM, YEAH, YEAH. NOT QUITE YET. WE, WE, UH, WE STARTED WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEES FROM THE, UH, UH, THE ORDINANCE AND WE WILL BUILD ON THE, THE DATA COMMITTEE, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN FORMED YET. SO IF ANYONE IS, UM, INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THAT MEETING, IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO, UM, CHAIR DAVIDSON AND LET HIM KNOW. AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, WE SHOULD BE FINE. [03:20:01] SOUNDS GOOD. WELL, THANKS EVERYONE, UH, FOR THAT. AND WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS IN THE WORKS AND, AND, UH, AS THE AGENDA'S BEING MADE FOR NEXT MEETING, I THINK THESE ARE SOME KEY, UH, KEY THEMES THAT WILL NEED TO BE PUT ON THERE AND KEY PEOPLE NEED TO COME. I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS A MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT. THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE OCPO MEDIATION MANAGER, CHRISTOPHER CLARK, CHRISTOPHER CLARK, UH, CLARK, ARE YOU ONLINE? WERE YOU ABLE TO, UH, WALK US THROUGH THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT? YES, SIR. UH, THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING MONTH THAT WE WERE ABSENT. SO BOARD, TAKE SOME TIME AND, AND LOOK THIS OVER, AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS THEM TO THE OCPO MEDIATION MANAGER, CHRISTOPHER CLARK. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. UH, JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO. UM, I DO PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR A LIVING. I DO PUBLIC OUTREACH AS A COMMUNITY SERVANT. AND I AM ABSOLUTELY, I'M CHOOSING MY WORDS HERE CORRECTLY. I'M DISAPPOINTED TO SEE, BE MR. WILLIAMS, DO PUBLIC OUTREACH AND NOT HAVE ENOUGH MATERIAL TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. I KNOW THERE'S MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND WE SIT AROUND HERE AND HOPE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING WHEN WE DON'T, AND THEN WE SEND HIM OUT WITH INFORMATION THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. THE MAYOR'S BACK TO SCHOOL EVENT HAD OVER 12,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP. EACH VENDOR HAD BOXES OF SUPPLIES AND TAKEAWAY AND TRINKETS TO GIVE AWAY. MR. WILLIAMS HAD TWO BOXES THAT'S ABSOLUTELY APPALLING. SO IF WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE NEED TO START SPENDING SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT'S SITTING IN THAT BUDGET AND GETTING THINGS FOR HIM TO USE OUT IN THE PUBLIC. BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M OUT IN THE PUBLIC EVERY OTHER DAY AND EVERY WEEKEND. AND IF THIS OFFICE WANTS THE COMMUNITY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF US, GET ENGAGED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW THE, LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE AROUND. AND, UH, YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING. SO I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE HE IS OUT THERE TRYING TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC, BUT WHAT WITH WHAT HE'S SENT OUT THERE WITH IS NOT ENOUGH AMMUNITION TO FIGHT WITH. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I MEAN, ALSO WHAT INFORMATION WE DO HAVE IS DENSE AND POORLY WRITTEN AND DOESN'T SEEM TO PUT FORWARD A MESSAGE OF WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MATERIAL THAT SAYS IT IS A GOOD AND COMMUNITY SERVICE ORIENTED AND PATRIOTIC THING TO REPORT SOMETHING WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING AND IT, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT SHOWS FAITH IN YOUR CITY TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN MAKE CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. UM, AND INSTEAD WHAT IT I, WHAT IT IS, IS LIKE 12 PARAGRAPHS TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE ORGANIZED UNDER THE CITY MANAGER AND STUFF. LIKE, IT'S CRAZY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT SOME OF THE MATERIAL LOOK LIKE IT'S PUBLIC FACING, LOOK LIKE IT'S FRIENDLY, LOOK LIKE WE ARE FRIENDLY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. I, I'M SORRY, UH, MS. BRENT OR ALLEN, UH, WHEN YOU SAY THE MATERIALS SENT, COULD I JUST ASK WHAT, WHAT, FOR EXAMPLE ARE YOU SPEAKING OF? BECAUSE JUST HAD A AMP OF OUR MATERIAL, UM, I BELIEVE BACK IN APRIL. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT? I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRI-FOLD BROCHURE AND THE, UM, WEBSITE WHEN I LAST LOOKED AT IT, WHICH WAS OVER A MONTH AGO. SO I MEAN, IF IT'S CHANGED, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT IN PEOPLE'S HANDS THAT EXPLAINS THE OFFICE AND THE BOARDS SIMPLY [03:25:01] AND NOT CONVOLUTED. YEAH, I'M EXCITED THAT WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A COMMUNITY OUTREACH PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THE WORK THAT MR. WILLIAMS AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN DOING IN THAT CATEGORY OVER THE SUMMER. WE HAVE REVAMPED OUR MATERIALS. WE ARE OUT ON ELECTRONIC, UM, ADVERTISEMENTS. WE HAVE NEW POSTERS. WE ARE, WE PREAMP THAT EXACT PROBLEM. WE SAW IT, WE KNEW IT NEEDED TO BE. AND SO I BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED IT MORE THAN WELCOME TO STEP DOWN THE HALL RIGHT THERE ASIDE. SEE, WE HAVE NEW EXAMPLES OF OUR PUBLICATIONS, BOTH ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH, TO BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I, I'M REALLY EXCITED. I REALLY HOPE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I'D LOVE TO SEE A, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW WHAT SHOW OF THAT NEXT MONTH. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THAT AS WELL. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. BUT AGAIN, I DO THIS FOR A LIVING. I REPRESENT A FEW LAW FIRMS. YOU NEED STRONGER LEAVE BEHINDS, REFRIGERATOR MAGNETS THAT HAS THE LOGO ON IT AND WHO TO CALL TO REPORT THINGS, PENS, ANY TYPE OF LEAVE BEHIND THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT WILL CATCH PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. AND THEY WILL HOLD ONTO IT, NOT PAPER THAT THEY'LL DROP IN THE TRASH OR HIT THE FLOOR. AND WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE THINGS THAT ARE DROPPED IN THE TRASH OR LEFT ON THE FLOOR. THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. MR. I'M SORRY, MR. MAPLE, IF I MAY, IF I MAY SPEAK TO THAT. UH, MR. MAPLE, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. I, I KNOW MR. WILLIAMS HAS ADVOCATED FOR THAT STUFF. I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. UH, MY PROBLEM IS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE A INTAKE SPECIALIST, UH, TO PROCESS THE COMPLAINT. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIALIST INVESTIGATOR. UH, WHILE I AGREE WITH YOU THAT PENCILS AND, AND PENS AND NO STICKERS ARE ABSOLUTELY THINGS THAT WE NEED. WE HAVE SOME PRIORITIES, SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE. BUT SIR, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, AND I WANT TO GET MR. WILLIAMS OUT WITH THOSE ITEMS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WELL, IF YOU NEED A CONTACT ON, ON COMPANIES THAT LEAD, THAT DOES PROMOTIONAL PRODUCTS, I CAN GIVE YOU ONE. AND ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS TURN IN AN ORDER. BECAUSE IF YOU CAN DO TRIFOLDS, YOU CAN COME UP WITH OTHER THINGS, BECAUSE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT MAKE TRIFOLDS, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU'RE, UNLESS YOU'RE FOLDING PAPER IN YOUR OFFICE, THOSE SAME PEOPLE WILL DO OTHER THINGS FOR YOU. I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CRITICAL. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THAT PEOPLE NEED TO, WE NEED TO BE ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY. IT'S MR. WILLIAMS' JOB, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, GIVE HIM THE TOOLS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, AND LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE DO. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. MAPLES. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE, UH, WE MOVE TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WITHOUT ANY FURTHER COMMENT? LET'S MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS, UH, OUR UPCOMING MEETING. OUR UPCOMING MEETING, UH, WILL BE SEPTEMBER THE 10TH, 2024, HERE AT THE CITY HALL. UH, CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS. UM, AND SO MARK YOUR CALENDAR, SEPTEMBER 10TH, UH, BACK HERE FOR OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING. WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT. ERIC OR CLARK, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE THAT HAS WAITED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I AM NOT SEEING ANYBODY RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, BEFORE WE, UH, UH, ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN, JUST ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, WE, I DID RECEIVE, UH, A, A CALL AND A LETTER, UH, TODAY FROM, UH, VICE CHAIR JOSE RIVAS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S NEEDING TO RESIGN FROM HIS POST, UH, HERE WITH THE, UH, COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT BOARD. IT'S A TOUGH LOSS, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD, BUT, UH, GOOD NEWS IS, IS THAT HE'S STEPPING DOWN SO THAT HE CAN PURSUE OTHER INTERESTS TO SERVE THE CITY, UH, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, HE'LL, I'LL GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHAT THAT IS. BUT, UH, AS OF, UH, TODAY, UH, VICE CHAIR JOSE RIVAS HAS, UH, RESIGNED, UH, FROM THE BOARD. I DO WANNA THANK HIM FOR HIS SERVICE. AND, UH, WE'LL AS A BOARD, BE MEETING, UH, TO HAVE A NEW DISTRICT SEVEN, AND ALSO, UH, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SELECTING A, UH, NEW VICE CHAIR. JUST WANNA KEEP THE BOARD, UH, UP TO DATE ABOUT THAT PROCESS. NOW, CHAIRMAN DAVIDSON, I DO, UH, ONE PERSON HAS JOINED ONLINE, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS A PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY? UH, LOOP THEM IN AND I'LL START MY TIMER. UH, DO YOU HAVE A NAME FOR THIS PERSON? UH, YES. THEIR NAME IS MARIE. I BELIEVE THEY'RE SHARING THE SCREEN AND ARE ABOUT READY TO SPEAK. MARIE, THANK YOU, UH, FOR JOINING, UH, OUR MEETING. UH, WE'RE HERE AT A TIME WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. UH, WE GIVE THREE MINUTES, UH, FOR THOSE. AND SO ONCE YOU START TALKING, [03:30:01] I'LL, I'LL START THE TIMER AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU SAY. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. HI. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN, I CAN'T SEE MYSELF, BUT, UM, I, Y'ALL KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH Y'ALL, THE BOARD KNOWS, BEEN FOLLOWING THE BOARD SINCE WILLIAM BLACK'S CASE. UM, FIRST CAME TO THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND EVERY MONTH IT WAS DIFFICULT, ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND THE LINK, THE AGENDAS AND THE INFORMATION TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS VIRTUALLY. AND SO, SAY THAT I'VE EMAILED INTO THE OFFICE, I'VE CALLED THE OFFICE, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF HIM, UM, TO SCHEDULE, UH, TIME FOR WILLIAM BLACK TO COME AND SPEAK WITH CLARK. UM, COULD NOT FIND ANY INFORMATION. I LITERALLY TOOK FOUR HOURS TODAY, THIS AFTERNOON, TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION FOR THIS MEETING TO GET ON. I COULD WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE, BUT I COULD NOT GET IN TO SPEAK. SO, UM, I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT, THAT THE INFORMATION ON ON THE WEBSITE IS FROM 20 21, 20 19. IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. BUT THE SECOND THING I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT, UM, THERE IS SO MUCH AFTER EFFECTS OF PROVIDING A COMPLAINT FROM THE OFFICER THAT JUST DEVASTATING FOR OUR FAMILY THAT MR. BLACK IS BEING, UH, IN JAIL. HIS CASE IS BEING HELD UP. EVERYTHING IS, UM, THE DAY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH MR. CLARK ON THE 17TH OF, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS APRIL, HE GETS ARRESTED THE DAY BEFORE. I MEAN, POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS JUST SABOTAGED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO AS FAR AS GETTING THE COMPLAINT HEARD AND BEING ABLE TO RESOLVE HIS, HIS SET OF PROPERTY IS WHAT IT REALLY IS. BUT I KNOW THERE'S A BIG OFFICE TURNOVER, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF IN INVESTIGATION AND INDICTMENT GOING ON IN THE DA'S OFFICE ALONG WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT STAKE HERE. AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD'VE EVER MADE THE COMPLAINT IF WE WOULD'VE KNOWN THE DEVASTATING BACKLASH WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN FROM FILING THE COMPLAINT WITH THE POLICE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE BACK IN, UH, I GUESS FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. WE, WE WOULD'VE JUST LET IT GO. IT HAS, IT HAS BEEN DETRIMENTAL. SO I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT, THAT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF AFTERMATH THAT MAYBE PEOPLE ARE NOT EXPLAINING OR, OR BEING ABLE TO AVOID. MARIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE OFFICE, BUT HAVE NOT HEARD BACK? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO, MY HUSBAND, WILLIAM BLACK, WE FILED, UH, HE FILED A COMPLAINT. UM, Y'ALL, REVIEW, CLARK WAS SUPPOSED TO, UH, DO AN INVESTIGATION. MM-HMM, THE AGENDA. SO I KNOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE MEETING IN JULY, BUT Y'ALL HAD IT ISSUES. UM, MAYBE IT WAS JUNE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ON TODAY OR IF IT WAS AN UPDATE, BUT EVERY TIME, UM, HE ATTEMPT TO MEET WITH MR. CLARK, IT'S JUST THAT HARD, LIKE THE BACKLASH THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM FILING THAT COMPLAINT. UM, IT, IT, IT'S BEEN DETRIMENTAL. THANK YOU. AND SO, YEAH, I RECOGNIZE MR. BLACK. AND SO MR. BLACK IS YOUR HUSBAND? YES. OKAY. AND, UH, MAN, TELL, TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BACKLASH. WHERE'S THE BACKLASH COMING FROM? WELL, IT'S JUST LIKE, UM, LIKE THE DAY BEFORE COINCIDENCE, BUT IT DOES, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF REPEATED COINCIDENCES WHERE, YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S NOT BEING PROCESSED OR THINGS ARE, UM, NOT MOVING FORWARD. YOU KNOW, HE WAS TOLD THAT SINCE WE HADN'T HEARD BACK FROM CLARK WITH THE UPDATE ON WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE PROPERTY, WE COULD MAKE A JURY RE UH, REFERRAL FORM. BUT WHEN I GO UP THERE TO GET THE FORM, THEY JUST SAW EVERYTHING OUT. I FILED FOR THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. WELL, MR. BLACK FILE THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, THEY WON'T GIVE US ANY OF THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE VIDEOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST EVERYTHING IS BEING SO THAT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD OR IF WE DO IT. [03:35:03] MARIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW, UH, YOU'RE SEEN AND YOU ARE HEARD, AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS AWARE AS A BOARD AWARE OF THIS. AND, UH, PLEASE KNOW THAT WE WILL NOW, UM, I BELIEVE YOUR INFORMATION IS THE OFFICE HAS YOUR INFORMATION, UH, AND ALSO MR. BLACK'S INFORMATION. SO, UH, LET US FOLLOW UP WITH, TO SPEAK. SO THEY WOULD HAVE ME, UM, TO GET A MESSAGE TO HIM. SO HE, HE, HE'S NOT AVAILABLE. UH, MR. BLACK'S NOT AVAILABLE. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? OR, OR CLARK'S NOT AVAILABLE? NO, MR. BLACK IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. OKAY. WELL, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, I, I DO, DO WE HAVE HER INFO? OKAY. UH, WE HAVE YOUR INFO. AND, UH, PLEASE, PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SEEN, YOU HAVE BEEN HEARD. UM, AND, UH, WE AND MYSELF AS THE BOARD CHAIR, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THIS, UH, PERSONALLY. UH, SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING, UM, THIS MEETING. AND, UH, YEAH, I, I WILL AS THE CHAIR ADDRESS THIS, UH, MYSELF, UH, AND, AND SEE WHERE IT GOES. SO, THANK YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN, THE, THE INFORMATION ONLINE, JUST TO GET ACCESS TO THE MEETINGS AND THE AGENDA. I THINK THESE ARE VALID POINTS, AND THIS IS GOOD TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THIS IS, UH, UH, WE DO NEED BETTER ACCESSIBILITY. THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING WE'VE KNOWN, BUT TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE, IT'S, IT'S FURTHER IMPETUS, IT'S FURTHER MOTIVATION TO GET THIS DONE, THE WEBSITE UPDATED, UH, INFORMATION DISPENSED. UH, AND I KNOW THE STAFF, THE OCPO HAS BEEN EXTREMELY UNDERSTAFFED, BUT THIS IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. WE NEED BETTER SUPPORT FROM THE CITY, UM, AND, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, MARIA FOR, FOR BEING HERE. UH, YOU'VE BEEN HEARD AND, UM, YEAH, I, I WILL DEAL WITH THIS DIRECTLY, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU, UH, A BOARD. UM, IT'S BEEN A GREAT MEETING. A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPEN TODAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN BEFORE WE ADJOURN? JUDGE LAND HERE? UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, MAJOR GREER AND HIS STAFF FOR BEING HERE. UH, IT IS EXCEPTIONAL AND SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD THE FIRST TIME THAT I, A D HAS BEEN REPRESENTED IN PERSON, AND I WANT, UH, I HOPE I'M NOT SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO GIVE HIM A HAND AND THANK HIM VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. AND, UH, I WOULD, AS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE REQUEST THAT EVERY TIME WE COME, Y'ALL SHOULD COME. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU JUDGE LANDER. I DO HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING NOW. UH, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. WE THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING OUTTA HERE. WE, WE. OKAY. WE, WE STAYED AFTER NINE. WE STAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER. YEAH, I, I'D LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU SAID. YEAH. THANK, THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING. WE, IT IS, IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. 'CAUSE UH, AND AGAIN, WHEN WE ARE HERE, WE'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU GUYS COULD BE HERE AND I, I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WAS REAL TOUGH FOR ME TO SIT IN MY SEAT AND WATCH THOSE GUYS GO UP THERE AND GET THEIR THREE MINUTES OF FAME WITH THOSE CAMERAS. IS IT OUR POLICY TO ALLOW THAT? BECAUSE, UH, THEY WERE THERE STREAMING FOR FAME TO COME HERE AND TRY TO DEGRADE US. AND I'M SURE WE'RE OUT THERE ALL OVER THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW IN THEIR CHANNELS THAT, THAT DID, THAT DOES NOT SIT WELL WITH ME. SO I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE ON THAT, BECAUSE IT, YEAH, BOARD FREEDOM MAY HAVE SOME INSIGHT. YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S, UH, . I, I WOULD JUST SAY, I, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THIS DISCUSSION OFFLINE BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU SAY RIGHT NOW IS PUBLIC AND THEY'RE GONNA USE IT. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. I CAN FIRE BACK TOO. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE. WE HAVE, BUT WE CAN HAVE IT OFFLINE. WE HAVE A RULES COMMITTEE, AND IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE UP, WE COULD DEFINITELY FOLD IT IN. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. BECAUSE I BELIEVE, UH, I JUST THINK IT WOULD, IT IS JUST UNFAIR. I I DO ALSO KNOW THIS, THIS OCCURRED AT THE ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UH, SAME, SAME PEOPLE. SO, UH, SAME, UH, CAMERAS. AND, UH, IT'S NOT JUST, UH, THE OVERSIGHT. SO, SO IT MUST JUST BE ALLOWED. UH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. IT IS. OKAY. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. UH, ONE MORE COMMENT, ONE MORE. UH, SORRY. I MEAN, I, I JUST WANT TO KEEP IT FAIR. I DO APPRECIATE THE OFFICERS THAT COME, BUT, UM, ALSO, I FEEL THAT THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE, WE HAVE SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE SMOOTHER TECHNICAL, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD. SO I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR IT TEAM, UH, FOR SUPPORTING US AS WELL. 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE TO STAY LATE FOR US TO KIND OF PUSH THROUGH ALL THESE ISSUES. SO I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE THANKS TO THEM. [03:40:01] UM, I KNOW THEY'RE HAVING TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES AS WELL. SO THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE THAT SUPPORT, UM, OUR BOARD WITH ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS AND NEEDS EACH. THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS APPRECIATE THAT. UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. JUDGE LANDER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? A SMITH SECOND. UH, ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING THERE'S NO DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. NINE 18 CENTRAL STANDARD TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SEE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.