Aug 08, 2024 City Planning Commission

DISTRICT, DISTRICT FOUR.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REAGAN.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR? I'M HERE.

DISTRICT NINE.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

HERE.

DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

COMMISSIONER HAWK DISTRICT 13.

COMMISSIONER HALL HERE.

DISTRICT 14, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN.

YOU HAVE A QUORUM, SIR.

OF THE DALLAS CITY PINE COMMISSION.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, UH, AUGUST 8TH, 2024, 9:06 AM WELCOME TO THE BRIEFING

[BRIEFINGS]

GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.

AS ALWAYS, UH, THIS IS A TIME FOR, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR COMMENTS, UH, FOR THE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON, BEGINNING AT 1230.

AND FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER RUBIN IS ONLINE AND NEEDS TO BE MOVED OVER AS A PANELIST, AND WE'LL DO THAT NOW.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET.

UH, COUPLE OF MOVING PARTS.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 36, WE DO HAVE A REQUEST FOR AN INTERPRETER ON THAT ITEM.

SO WE WILL BE MOVING THAT, UH, TO RIGHT AFTER THE, UH, ZONING CASE IS UNDER CONSENT.

SO AFTER NUMBERS FIVE, WE WILL DISPOSE OF NUMBER 36 AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK INTO ORDER INTO THE ZONING CASES THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, WITH, UH, FOR ITEM DCA 2 0 1, 0 1 1, AND WE WILL HAVE THAT AT THE END OF THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING.

AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA JUMP RIGHT IN TO THE AGENDA, BEGINNING WITH THE MINOR AMENDMENT THAT WE WILL BRIEF, UH, PER REQUEST COMMISSIONERS, ANYONE NEED TO BRIEF ITEM NUMBER ONE OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT.

COMMISSIONERS FOR ZONING.

WELL THEN WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER, UH, TWO ON THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER TWO HAS COME OFF CONSENT AND WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT, SO WE WILL NOT BRIEF THAT TODAY.

TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER THREE AND MR. CLINTON.

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 14 0, 1 SECOND, SORRY.

AS WELL AS REGIONAL RETAIL.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE WITH A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONED A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF MCCREE ROAD, NORTH OF EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A NEW SUP TO, UH, FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN EVENT CENTER AND NIGHTCLUB, APPROXIMATELY 3.2 ACRES IN TOTAL SIZE.

HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP AND HERE IS OUR AERIAL ZOOM IN.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP.

THE SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE, UH, COMMERCIAL SERVICES COM, COMMUNITY, RETAIL AND UH, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL

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UH, BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THIS, UH, AGAIN, CURRENTLY ZONED CS FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICES.

UM, THIS LOT HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH MCCREE ROAD AND ACCESS ROAD.

IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

THE, UH, APPLICANT PROPOSES THE PROPOSES THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE THURSDAY THROUGH MONDAY, 6:00 PM TO 2:00 AM.

UM, AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE WITH A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY.

UM, APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR ZONING CASES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE SITE VISIT IMAGES, UH, THIS IS ON MCCREE ROAD LOOKING WEST TOWARDS THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS ON MCCREE ROAD LOOKING NORTH.

THIS IS ON ACCESS ROAD LOOKING SOUTH.

THIS IS ON ACCESS ROAD ROAD LOOKING SOUTH.

UM, SAME LOCATION LOOKING WEST, SAME LOCATION LOOKING EAST.

UH, THIS IS, UM, ON THE PROPERTY LOOKING NORTH.

AND NOW WE HAVE IMAGES OF THE SURROUNDING USES.

UH, THIS IS ON PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE, UH, COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS, UH, BACK ON MCCREE ROAD LOOKING SOUTH.

UM, THERE'S SOME, UH, UH, RESTAURANTS IN OTHER RETAIL.

THIS IS IN THE SAME LOCATION LOOKING EAST, THE SAME LOCATION LOOKING NORTH.

UM, THERE'S A, I BELIEVE IT'S A SAM'S CLUB.

UM, HERE IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND, UH, QUICK STAFF ANALYSIS.

SO THERE ARE ALREADY EXISTING COMMERCIAL RETAIL SURROUNDING THE SITE.

SO THE, UM, AREA REQUESTS WOULD MATCH AND FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, THE LAND USE COMPATIBILITY, UM, AGAIN MATCHES WITH THE IMMEDIATE AREA.

UM, AND THERE WOULD BE, UM, REQUIRED BUFFERS AND LANDSCAPING TO MEET ARTICLE 10 AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR FIVE-YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, SLEEPER.

NOW, MR. CLINTON HAS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, OPPOSITION TO THIS USE? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, MR. CLINTON? UM, THE PLAN COMMISSION TURNED DOWN A REQUEST FOR AN SUP FROM THE SAME APPLICANT IN 2021 FOR A PRIVATE CLUB BAR? THAT'S CORRECT.

I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.

WELL, UH, MY INVESTIGATION, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE, BUT, UM, HOW IS THIS, OKAY, WELL I GUESS MY QUESTION IS HOW IS THIS, UM, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE CLASS A DANCE HALL GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE PRIVATE CLUB BAR REQUEST THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY? I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST, UM, ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT.

UM, CAN YOU ALSO EXPLAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, BUT WHY WOULD THE STAFF BE SUPPORTING A FIVE YEAR PERIOD FOR, UH, A NEW, UM, ESTABLISHMENT FOR, UM, SOMETHING AS POTENTIALLY, UH, IT COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE ISSUES LIKE A DANCE HALL IN A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE.

UM, SO STAFF FOUND THAT FIVE YEARS WILL BE ADEQUATE FOR THE APPLICANT TO, UM, HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THEIR OPERATIONS SET UP AND THEN ALSO PROVE THAT THEY ARE A, UH, COMPLIANT OPERATOR.

COMMISSIONERS, WE, WE HAVE TAKEN THIS CASE OFF CONSENT COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? UM, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE CASE REPORT, I I COULDN'T QUITE TELL IF THERE IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THIS SITE OR IF IT'S A UNDEVELOPED SITE.

IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

AND COULD THAT PERHAPS BE A REASON FOR THE FIVE YEARS TO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUILD A BUILDING? YES.

YES, YES.

UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAS JOINED US.

GOOD MORNING COM.

COMMISSIONER HALL, MR. CLINTON, UH, CLASS A DANCE HALL JUST MEANS NIGHTCLUB.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WHAT, WHAT IS A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE REFERRING TO? I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE BEST A ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT.

BY THE APPLICANT.

THEY COULD SPEAK TO THEIR INTENTIONS MORE.

I, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, NO.

AND THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL ANYWHERE NEARBY THIS, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH, BUT NOT THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH OF THE SITE.

ANY IDEA ROUGHLY HOW FAR AWAY? UM, I WOULD'VE TO MEASURE THAT.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER FOUR, MR. BATE.

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

SO WE'RE SEATED TODAY WHERE? NEAR POWERPOINT.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS ITEM OR CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2016.

IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF OAKWOOD DRIVE, WEST OF HAYMARKET ROAD, ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, UH, LOCATED HERE IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE CITY.

UH, THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP.

NOW, SOMETHING CAME UP BEFORE THE MEETING.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR VERY EAGLE EYE.

NOTICE THAT THE LINE HERE FOR THE AERIAL MAP BISECTS A STRUCTURE, UH, THAT WOULD BE RATHER ODD, UH, TO SAY THE LEAST.

UH, WE DISCUSSED THIS OR I DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE GIS TEAM AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT, UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES WITH THE AERIAL, UH, MAPS OR THE AERIAL BOUND, UH, THE PARCEL BOUNDARY LAYERS THAT THEY USE ON THEIR MAPS WHEN THEY'RE GENERATED.

SOMETIMES THEY APPEAR TO BE SHIFTED BY, UH, ABOUT FIVE FEET IN THIS CASE, SOMETIMES A LARGER SHIFT, SOMETIMES A SMALLER SHIFT.

UH, BUT WE DID CONFIRM THAT THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT WAS USED BY GIS MATCHED THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT WAS PRODUCED BY THE APPLICANT'S SURVEYOR.

UH, ALL THAT IS JUST TO SAY AND KIND OF, UH, ASSURE THAT THE, UH, LEGAL DESCRIPTION BEING USED IN THIS REQUEST, IT DOES NOT BISECT THAT STRUCTURE.

UM, IT IS ENTIRELY THE ACTUAL ON THE GROUND MEASUREMENTS ARE ENTIRELY THE EAST OF THAT STRUCTURE THERE.

UH, SO HOPEFULLY THAT IN INTRODUCE MORE CONFUSION BY EXPLAINING THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.

UH, HERE'S THE ZONING MAP OF THE AREA.

THERE'S A MIX OF AGRICULTURAL AA ZONING AND THEN AN R 7.5 A BLOCK TO THE NORTH.

UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA IS SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, THERE IS A CR DISTRICT TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE SITE, UH, THAT PRIMARILY HAS A LARGE, UH, NURSERY, UH, AND PLANT SALES FACILITY THERE, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED AA AND THEY WANNA BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.

AND IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

UH, HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY OR ON OAKWOOD DRIVE LOOKING SOUTH, THEN LOOKING SOUTHWEST, THEN LOOKING TO THE WEST, LOOKING TO THE EAST, THEN LOOKING NORTHWEST AWAY FROM THE SITE, LOOKING NORTH AWAY FROM THE SITE, LOOKING NORTHEAST, AND THEN LOOKING EAST AND THEN LOOKING SOUTH.

UH, THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BETWEEN AA AND R 7.5.

UH, AA IS, IT'S LESS INTENSIVE FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THERE ARE MUCH GREATER RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT'S BUILT THERE.

UH, BUT THE AA DISTRICT DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED JUST BY VIRTUE OF GENERALLY BEING A MORE OF A RURAL AREA.

UH, THE R 7.5 A DISTRICT, IT HAS LESS RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS AND SLIGHTLY MORE PERMISSIBLE HEIGHT AS WELL AS LOCK COVERAGE.

UM, BUT PRETTY MUCH ALL YOU CAN DO ON R 7.5 IS RESTING FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STAFF'S.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SUBDISTRICT TWO WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 3 4, THE CF HAN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT NUMBER TWO WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF CF HAN FREEWAY, SOUTHEAST OF SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD, APPROXIMATELY 2178 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.

WE'LL GO TO NUMBER FIVE.

I'LL STAY WITH YOU MR. BAY.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 21.

IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2118 FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTIES ZONE

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AGAIN, FAR SOUTHEASTERN PART OF THE CITY.

AND HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT SITE ALONG THE CF HA SERVICE ROAD.

UH, THE ZONING MAP.

SO IT IS ALL WITHIN PD 5 34, SUBDISTRICT TWO, UH, TO THE NORTHEAST IS SUBDISTRICT ONE, UH, TO THE SOUTH SOUTHWEST IS R 7.5 A WITH A SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN TO THE EAST NORTH OR THE WEST NORTHWEST IS RR AN RR DISTRICT, UH, WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISING FOOD STORE AND I BELIEVE ALSO AN SEP FOR ALCOHOL SALES.

IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, IT IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED THE VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE BUSINESS.

UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2014 FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD AND WAS MOST RECENTLY RENEWED ON JUNE 9TH, 2021.

THE SUP EXPIRED ON JUNE 9TH OF THIS YEAR, BUT THE APPLICANT DID FILE FOR RENEWAL ON APRIL 24TH, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING RENEWAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD AND DO NOT PROPOSE ANY CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS OR THE SITE PLAN.

UH, HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE ON CF HAN LOOKING WEST AT THE SITE, THEN NORTHWEST WITH THE SITE ALONG TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PHOTO, LOOKING NORTH ON CF HAN, THEN LOOKING NORTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE, THEN MOVING UP CF HAN LOOKING SOUTHEAST AT THE SITE ITSELF, LOOKING SOUTH AT THE SITE, THEN LOOKING WEST TO THE NORTHERN PORTION OUTSIDE OF THE SITE.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO IT.

I THINK I HAVE A DETAILED SLIDE.

YEAH, UH, NO CHANGES TO IT.

UH, THE CONDITIONS, IT'S EXACT SAME CONDITIONS, JUST THE PERMIT WILL EXPIRE THREE YEARS FROM THE PASSAGE OF THE ORDINANCE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UM, SLIDE? I THINK IT'S EITHER EIGHT AND THIS WOULD BE SLIDE EIGHT.

NO, GO BACK.

ONE MORE.

THIS WOULD BE SLIDE SEVEN.

YEAH, THAT ONE.

WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S ALL OF, I DIDN'T, I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.

IS THAT ON THEIR PROPERTY? UM, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY, UH, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PHOTO, LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UM, SHED AND IS IT THIS LEFT HAND SIDE HERE? RIGHT THERE, YES.

THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

THAT IS AN ADJOINING PROPERTY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY, CORRECT.

SO THE, THE BUSHES AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE, LOOKING AT THIS SLIDE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THAT SHED AND THOSE, AND THAT IS THEIRS? YES.

I BELIEVE EVERYTHING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, IF YOU SEE KIND OF THE BLACK FENCE POST HERE, EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT, THAT IS THEIR PROPERTY.

THE SHED, I BELIEVE IS THE OFFICE THAT IS DESIGNATED ON THE SITE PLAN.

UH, EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THAT FENCE POST IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BATE.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE WILL COME BACK TO CASE NUMBER SIX.

UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN IS IN THE CHAMBER.

UH, IT TAKES US TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN.

UH, THAT WILL BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT, SO WE'LL NOT BRIEF THAT TODAY.

CASE NUMBER EIGHT WILL ALSO BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO AUGUST 22ND.

SO WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER NINE.

BACK TO YOU, MR. CLINTON.

MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.

I, I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS ONE, AND SO I WILL BE STEPPING OUT VIRTUALLY.

WHOA, WITHIN, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PERFECT SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, EXCUSE ME, WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN MF TWO MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF LUCAS DRIVE BETWEEN MAPLE AVENUE AND BROWN STREET.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR.

EVERYONE HAS A CONFLICT ON ITEM NUMBER NINE AND HAS SIGNED OFF HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THE POWERPOINT ONCE.

ONE MOMENT.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, CASE Z 2 2 3 DASH 3 3 8.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE, AP PARKING SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

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THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE P ON PD NUMBER 1 93 TO ALLOW MULTI, UH, MULTIPLE FAMILY USES ON THE PROPERTY.

IT'S ABOUT, UH, 6,797 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SIZE.

HERE'S OUR LOCATION MAP.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP AND OUR ZONING MAP WITH THE SURROUNDING USES INCLUDE, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL TO THE NORTH AND WEST AS AND SOUTH, UM, MULTIFAMILY TO THE EAST AND SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST.

UH, QUICK BACKGROUND.

UM, ACTUALLY THIS WAS HEARD BEFORE, BUT WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK.

SO, UM, JULY 11TH, UH, CPC, IT WAS, UH, HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT, UM, WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO BE READVERTISED, UH, FOR AN MF TWO SUBDISTRICT.

UM, SO I'LL JUST GO BRIEFLY THROUGH THE SITE, UH, PHOTOS.

THIS IS ON SITE LOOKING, UH, SOUTHEAST.

THIS IS ON LUCAS DRIVE LOOKING SOUTHEAST.

UM, THIS IS ON LUCAS DRIVE LOOKING SOUTHWEST TOWARDS, UH, THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL RETAIL.

THIS IS ON LUCAS DRIVE, UH, LOOKING NORTHEAST.

UH, SAME LOCATION LOOKING NORTHWEST WEST, ALSO LOOKING NORTHWEST.

UM, THIS IS ON PROPERTY, UH, LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL USES.

THIS IS ON PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTHEAST, UH, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED.

QUESTIONS.

UM, MR. CLINTON, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PHOTOS.

I KNOW PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE POSTED NOTICE.

DID THE APPLICANT, UM, SEND YOU PHOTOS DOCUMENTING THAT THEY'D BEEN ABLE TO REPOST THOSE NOTICES? YES, THEY HAVE.

AND ARE YOU ALSO AWARE THAT THERE'S, UM, ONGOING, UM, CITY PROJECTS THROUGH OTHER DEPARTMENTS FOR THE MAPLE AVENUE SAFETY THAT'S REVIEWING THE LENGTH OF MAPLE AVENUE FROM MOCKINGBIRD TO OAKLAWN? YES, I'M AWARE.

AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS REGARDING THEIR REQUEST? YES.

AND GENERALLY, I THINK THERE WAS CONSENSUS THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE AND MATCHES THE SURROUNDING, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, UH, WE'LL GO TO NUMBER 10.

MORNING CHAIR.

CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? GOOD MORNING.

WE CAN.

WONDERFUL.

BEAR WITH ME AS I HAVE TO GET THIS UPLOADED HERE.

APOLOGIES.

TOO MANY SCREENS.

CHAIRMAN, IS THAT FULL SCREEN FOR EVERYBODY? YES, WE CAN SEE IT.

WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL.

TAKING A LOOK AT SURROUNDING USES, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND AGRICULTURAL SERVICES AROUND, UH, INCLUDING SOME VACANT PARCELS AS WELL AS SOME WAREHOUSING USES.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSION.

UH, THIS IS CASE, UH, Z 2 34 DASH SEVEN.

UM, IT'S A REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SAP NUMBER 24 39.

UH, WE'LL ALLOW FOR A COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING LOT TO CONTINUE ON SITE.

UH, THIS MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE FAMILIAR.

IT WAS HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT, UM, FROM A COMMISSION MEETING BACK IN JUNE, UH, TO WORK THROUGH A COUPLE SITE DETAILS.

WE DID RECEIVE, UH, AN UPDATED SITE PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, YESTERDAY.

STAFF HAS, HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW THAT PLAN IN DETAIL L ZONING CONDITIONS ON SITE.

IT IS THE CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT.

UH, THERE ARE SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT LIMIT THE ALLOWED USES ON SITE.

UM, AND THE CURRENT SUP WAS ADOPTED IN JAN IN JANUARY OF, UH, 22.

SEE ITS LOCATION THERE.

FAR SOUTH SIDE AERIAL SHOWING THE ONSITE CONDITION,

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UH, DURING THE SITE VISIT ON TELEPHONE LOOKING NORTHEAST SOUTH OFF TELEPHONE SOUTHEAST, AND THE SITE ENTRANCE THERE SOUTH.

HERE'S THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN APPROVED.

THE SUP, UH, AGAIN, WE'VE RECEIVED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN.

WE HAVE NOT, UH, BEEN ABLE TO CONDUCT A THOROUGH REVIEW ON THAT.

HOWEVER, UH, WITH THAT STAFF'S INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL FOR THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.

AND WITH THAT, KAREN, THANK YOU, SIR.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? NO.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 11.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND HAS LOGGED OFF.

ER, GOOD MORNING.

BUT PARDON ME, WE, WE DO HAVE A, A QUESTION ON THE, ON THE PREVIOUS CASE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. CONNOR IS ABLE TO ANSWER THIS OR IF, UM, IF I NEED MR. MULKEY OR, OR SOMEBODY TO HELP, UM, BECAUSE THEY GOT, THIS IS ON CONSENT.

NO, IT'S NOT.

I, WHERE, WHERE DID CONSENT WHEN? OH, THAT'S FINE.

I CAN ASK AT THE, THE, AT THE HEARING.

HEARING.

DR.

UM, I'M GONNA STEP IN FOR THIS CASE, JUST A SECOND.

UM, ITEM Z 2 3 4 1 22.

UM, OKAY, LET'S SEE.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 10 17 FOR A PROPERTY THAT'S BOUNDED BY BEAKER STREET, UH, NORTHWEST MORELAND ROAD, GALLAGHER STREET AND FURY STREET.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 5.2 22 ACRES.

IT'S IN WEST DALLAS, UM, WEST OF, WELL, NORTH WESTMORELAND ROAD, AND NORTH OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD IS IN DISTRICT SIX, UM, SIDE BY SIDE, AERIAL AND ZONING MAP.

IT IS, UH, DALLAS IS THE SCHOOL THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

MR. THE, THE PRESENTATION'S NOT BEING DISPLAYED.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S TRUE.

WHY? OKAY, BUT I DON'T HAVE PRESIDENT.

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MEET THE NEED? YES, IT IS.

ALL MY APOLOGIES.

SO I'LL RESTART.

Z 2 1 3 1 22.

UM, IT IS, UH, AN APPLICATION, JUST A SECOND.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 10 17 FOR A PROPERTY THAT'S BOUNDED BY BAKER STREET, WESTMORELAND ROAD, GALLAGHER STREET AND FURY STREET.

IT'S 5.2 ACRES.

UH, IT'S, AS I SAID, WEST DALLAS, WEST OF WESTMORELAND AND NORTH OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD.

UM, THE AREA AND THE ZONING MAP SIDE BY SIDE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SCHOOL, A DALLAS ISD SCHOOL THAT IS GONNA BE, UH, TURNED DOWN AND REBUILT INTO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SCHOOL.

UM, I WILL EXPLAIN ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDED BASICALLY BY SINGLE FAMILY, R SEVEN FIVE.

AND TO THE EAST SIDE OF WESTMORELAND IS A PD THAT ALLOWS A MIXTURE TYPE OF HOUSING.

ON THE CORNER IS A RETIREMENT HOUSING, AND IT'S A COMBINATION OF, AGAIN, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, A LITTLE BIT OF MULTIFAMILY TO THE EAST, AND A LITTLE BIT OF VACANT LAND.

UM, FOR THE BACKGROUND, THE PD WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2019.

IT WAS AN R FIVE AND A COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT THAT WERE, UH, TRANSITIONED TO OR APPROVED TO BE REZONED TO A PD FOR A EXISTING SCHOOL.

THAT'S TWO STORY AND HAS BEEN OPERATED THERE SINCE THE FIFTIES.

UH, THE CURRENT REQUEST INCLUDES MODIFIED STANDARDS, UH, FOR TYPICAL STUFF FOR SCHOOLS, FLOOR AREA HEIGHT, SETBACKS, REDUCED OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS, NEW DESIGN STANDARDS FOR SIDEWALKS, BUFFERS.

WE WE'RE USED TO WHEN, UH, WE'RE SEEING SCHOOLS, SCHOOL CASES.

UM, THE CASE WAS HELD ON JULY 25TH, UM, THE, IN BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, A REVISED LANDSCAPE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE REVISED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.

UM, JENNIFER NOTED HERE THERE WAS A LITTLE ERROR ON THE, THE STAFF REPORT ON THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE SCHOOL.

JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, UM, THE REQUEST IS THE, IT'S AN EXISTING PUBLIC SCHOOL THAT'S CALLED DALLAS ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE ACADEMY, THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO, UH, BE REDEVELOPED INTO AN ACADEMY TYPE OF SCHOOL THAT'S GOING TO, UH, BASICALLY SERVE OTHER SCHOOLS IN DALLAS, A SD.

AND IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CAMPUS.

IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S FOR, UM, OTHER TYPE OF CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES.

IT'S NOT A NECESSARILY A SCHOOL.

UM, JUST A SECOND.

LET ME GET THIS OUTTA MY WAY.

UM, JUST PICTURES ON THE SIDE, AROUND THE SIDE.

THIS IS THE SCHOOL FROM WESTMORELAND.

THIS IS, UH, WHAT'S ACROSS FROM WESTMORELAND, UH, WHICH IS THE RETIREMENT HOUSING THAT I WAS MENTIONING ACROSS WESTMORELAND VACANT LOT AND SOME SINGLE FAMILY IN THE BACKGROUND ACROSS, UH, WESTMORELAND AND GALLAGHER.

UH, VACANT AND SINGLE FAMILY.

THE SCHOOL FROM GALLAGHER, UH, LOOKING EAST ON GALLAGHER.

THE EXISTING SCHOOL THAT IS GONNA BE TORN DOWN, UM, ASIDE FROM GALLAGHER AS WELL.

YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING CURB CUT AND HOW THE SCHOOL HAS ACCESS ONLY FROM GALLAGHER STREET, UM, ACROSS THE STREET, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND UNDEVELOPED OR VACANT LAND, UH, ON FURY STREET.

LOOKING TOWARDS THE SCHOOL ON FURY STREET, UM, ACROSS THE SCHOOL, MORE SINGLE FAMILY AND, UH, UNDEVELOPED MORE SINGLE FAMILY AND UNDEVELOPED.

UM, THE EXISTING SERVICE YARD FOR THE SCHOOL THAT IS, UM, FACING BICKERS STREET, SAME, UH, SCHOOL FACING BICKERS, BICKERS AND WESTMORELAND IS BASICALLY, WE JUST WENT AROUND THE SCHOOL AND THE INTERSECTION.

THE AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS A BIGGER FOOTPRINT BUILDING WITH TWO, UM, PARKING LOTS EAST AND WEST.

UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE CURB CUTS JUST FOR BETTER ACCESS, I THINK THAT HAVE CIRCULATION THAT IS, UM, SEPARATED.

UM, AND YOU'LL SEE TWO NEW CURB CUTS ON BICKERS AND ONE ON GALLAGHER.

A LITTLE CHANGE SINCE THE

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LAST, UH, CPC DOCKET.

THEY REPLACED THREE LARGE TREES WITH TWO MEDIAN ONES OR ORNAMENTAL ONES THAT CITY ARBORISTS REVIEWED, AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT.

UH, IT, I THINK IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS UTILITY CONFLICTS OR PAVING.

UM, A BIG DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN LAST TIME AND THIS TIME WAS THE CIRCULATION OF BUSES AROUND THE SCHOOL.

UM, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO ALLOW AND LEAVE THIS CURB CUT THAT'S AT THE CORNER AT BEAKERS.

IF YOU SEE MY MOUSE BEAKERS IN WESTMORELAND TO BE FOR EMERGENCY ONLY AND NOT FOR BUSES, AND ALL THE BUSES AND, UH, ROUTING IS GONNA BE FROM GALLAGHER STREET AND THEY'RE GONNA EXIT AND GOING TO CIRCULATE CLOCKWISE AROUND THE SCHOOL, AND THEY'RE GONNA EXIT ON THE WEST SIDE OF BEAKER STREET.

THAT I WILL EXPLAIN.

AGAIN, THIS WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, AND THOSE WERE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WE USED TO HAVE, AND NOW THEY ARE ADDRESSED AND, UH, THE APPLICANT AGREED WITH STAFF.

UM, THIS EXHIBIT IS SHOWING THE, UM, FEEDER SCHOOLS OR SCHOOLS THAT ARE GOING TO USE THIS ACADEMY.

UM, MOLINA HIGH SCHOOL, KINGSTON HIGH SCHOOL, ADAMSON HIGH SCHOOL, AND SUNSET HIGH SCHOOL, AND HOW THE BUSES ARE GONNA CIRCULATE, UM, ON A LARGER AREA TO DROP OFF AND, UH, PICK UP STUDENTS FROM, UM, THIS ACADEMY SCHOOL.

THIS EXHIBIT IS GONNA BE LABELED AND INCLUDED IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THE CONDITIONS AMENDED SINCE THE PD WAS CREATED IS JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THIS NEW, BIGGER, UH, ACADEMY.

UM, AND TO ADD OUR NORMAL CONDITIONS FOR OPEN FENCING TO INCLUDE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, LANDSCAPE CONDITIONS WITH ALL THE STREET TREES THAT YOU JUST SAW.

UM, SIDE YARDS, UH, ARE CALLED OUT FOR GALLAGHER STREET.

THE FLOOR AREA IS INCREASED TO 160,000, UH, SQUARE FEET.

THE OFF STREET PARKING IS EXPLAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SINCE THIS IS NOT A HIGH SCHOOL PER SE, IT IS A SCHOOL WHERE THE, IS NOT A SCHOOL WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE GONNA DRIVE THEMSELVES.

IT'S A SCHOOL THAT'S BASICALLY GONNA BE SERVED JUST FOR THE BUSES.

UM, IT HAS A VERY, A, A LOWER PARKING RATIO THAT A NORMAL O MISS SCHOOL WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE DRIVING THEMSELVES.

UM, AND THEN WE HAD ONE BOX WHICH REFERRED TO THAT, UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE ON BICKER STREET OR BIKER STREET.

UM, THE APPLICANT, AFTER WE POSTED THE DOCKET, THE APPLICANT AGREED WITH THE CONDITION.

SO THIS BOX IS GONNA BE REMOVED.

UM, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IS UPDATED TO REFLECT TODAY'S CONDITION AND STANDARDS DESIGN STANDARDS, TYPICALLY FOR SCHOOLS TO HAVE SIDEWALKS, TO HAVE AMENITIES CLOSE TO, UM, ENTRANCES TO THE SCHOOL AS INDICATED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WITH THIS BEING SAID, STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITION IS APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AN AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN, REVISED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

AND MY APOLOGIES FOR THE HICCUPS.

UREA? I LIKED, UH, WHAT I SAW ON THE PARKING, UH, AND THE RATIONALE FOR THAT FROM NINE AND A HALF DOWN TO THREE AND A HALF PER CLASS.

UM, IS THAT BASED ON THE, THE TEACHER COUNT IN THE BUILDING OR IS IT JUST BASED ON THE SPACES YOU HAVE LEFT ON THE SITE PLAN? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S MUCH PARKING TO BEGIN WITH AND, AND IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED PARKING, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON THAT.

UM, OKAY, LET ME, LET ME LOOK AND I DON'T KNOW, AND I WOULD SEE, I'M HOPING DAVID IS HERE TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT THEIR, UM, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, I CAN ASK, UH, ARE YOU AWARE THAT I THINK ANSWERS PLEASE? QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UH, NONE OF THE STUDENTS, UM, WILL ARRIVE HERE BY, BY VEHICLE AT ALL? YOU KNOW? OKAY, SO EVERYBODY, THIS IS A CAREER INSTITUTE? YES.

FOR DISD, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE AUTHORIZED TO REPLACE THE, WE, UM, THE, THE ONE THAT WAS DESTROYED BY THE, UM, TORNADO, UM, WHY CAN'T I THINK OF THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL? YEAH, IT RIGHT.

BUT IT WAS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL UP THERE.

UM, SO THIS IS NOT THE HOME CAMPUS FOR ANY OF THE, THE KIDS.

UM, UH, 900 KIDS WILL COME IN THE MORNING, 900 KIDS WILL COME IN THE AFTERNOON.

THEY, THEY GET, UM, BROUGHT IN BY SCHOOL BUSES.

SO THE REASON WHY THERE ARE FEWER PASSENGER, UM, I MEAN PASSENGER VEHICLE PARKING SPACES IS THEY'RE JUST HAVING TO ALLOW PARKING FOR THEIR STAFF AND THEIR TEACHERS AND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, UH, ANTICIPATED GUESTS.

SO I GUESS I COULD HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION MORE CLEARLY.

HOW MANY STAFF ARE ON CAMPUS? IS IT THREE AND A HALF ENOUGH TO

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RIGHT, IT'S, THANK YOU.

SORRY, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAND, THIS IS A DETAIL, UM, ON THE FIRST RESPONDER PROVISION, UM, REGARDING THE GATE AND THE ACCESS IT REFERENCES NOX EQUIPMENT.

SINCE THAT'S A SPECIFIC MANUFACTURER, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY NOX EQUIPMENT OR SIMILAR? YES, PROBABLY YES.

OR EQUAL, WHATEVER THE EQUIVALENT LANGUAGE MIGHT BE.

AGAIN, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WOULD'VE COME UP LATER, SO JUST WANTED TO NOTE IT.

THANK YOU DR.

ANDREA.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

WELL, AND I HAVE AN ANSWER.

YOU KNOW, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE 70 STAFF MEMBERS AT THIS? TEACHERS AND STAFF MEMBERS, SO THEY ALLOWED FOR THOSE 70 PLUS AND ANTICIPATED 40 OR 50, UM, POSSIBLE VISITORS AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME? BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

UM, IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE CORRECTION THAT YOU MADE, UH, MR. GRAHAM MADE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE SCHOOL, THE SIZE OF THE SCHOOL HAS NOT GOTTEN BIGGER SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S JUST THAT THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE ARCHITECT.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE, UM, THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST, WERE HAVING TO REPORT THE, UM, GROUND FLOOR SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND SO IT DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO, SO THE FOOTPRINT HASN'T CHANGED.

IT'S, IT'S JUST A, A CORRECTION TO, TO BRING IT INTO HOW WE NORMALLY, UM, CORRECT, UH, REPORT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR.

RUDA.

WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 12.

THANK, THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, MS. BRIDGES.

HOPEFULLY I'M PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY.

THIS IS CASEY 2 34 DASH 1 47.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R SEVEN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW TOWN HOMES AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES ON THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP, THE AREA MAP, THE ZONING MAP YOU WILL SEE SURROUNDING THE AREA.

REQUEST IS R SEVEN FIVE, SOME VACANT AREAS, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE VACANT, AND ALSO R SEVEN FIVE.

THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONE R SEVEN FIVE, SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED.

THE LOT HAS FRONTAGE ON NORTH PERRY CREEK ROAD IN ELLUM ROAD.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH TOWN HOMES AND COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, THEY REQUEST A MIXED USE ONE, UM, MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT.

THE NEXT FEW PICTURES WILL BE OF THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

UM, THIS IS THE FLOOR AREA RATIO.

I CAN GO INTO DETAIL IF NEED BE ABOUT THIS, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HALL, PLEASE.

MS. BRIDGES, WILL THE TOWN HOMES BE SEPARATE FROM THE RETAIL OR WILL IT BE TOWN HOMES ON TOP OF RETAIL? I THINK THAT'LL BE A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT.

OH, YEAH, HE DIDN'T GO INTO DETAIL WITH ME ABOUT THAT, BUT I BELIEVE MR. ROB IS HERE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.

THIS IS CASE, THIS IS CASE Z 2 34 DASH ONE 50.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TO CASE NUMBER 13.

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AN APPLICATION FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT IN OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE USES LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF LAKE JUNE ROAD, EAST OF NORTH ST.

AUGUSTINE DRIVE, APPROXIMATELY 29 AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE, UH, LOCATED HERE IN THE FAR EASTERN PORTION, UH, KIND OF PLEASANT GROVE AREA OF THE CITY.

UH, HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP OF THE, UH, OF THE, OF THE SITE.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, A VERY LARGE WOODED AREA ALONG LAKE JUNE.

UH, HERE'S A ZONING MAP SHOWING THE, UH, EXISTING ZONING.

UH, SO RIGHT NOW THE, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS PRIMARILY ZONED MF TWO A WITH A SMALL PORTION OF R 7.5 A TO THE NORTHEAST.

UH, GENERAL SURROUNDING AREAS INCLUDE R 7.5 A WITH SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, UH, A CR DISTRICT TO THE SOUTHEAST, AND THEN A PD 8 0 7, WHICH IS FOR THE PRAIRIE CREEK BRANCH LIBRARY.

UH, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY AND AN OFFICE ON THE SITE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.

THEY'RE REQUESTING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

UH, HERE'S SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE.

UH, OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE, THE, THE SIZE OF THE SITE, IT'S HARD TO GET MUCH MORE THAN THE PHOTOS FROM LAKE JUNE AND A COUPLE OF THE SIDE STREETS.

UH, BUT HERE WE'RE ON LAKE JUNE ROAD LOOKING NORTHEAST.

THAT'S THE PRAIRIE CREEK BRANCH LIBRARY PARKING LOT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THEN LOOKING EAST, THEN MOVING DOWN ALONG LAKE JUNE.

LOOKING AWAY FROM THE SITE, UH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTH AT THE SITE.

SO THIS IS WHERE THE, UH, OFFICE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE.

THEN LOOKING TO THE NORTHEAST AND MOVING UP A BIT ON THE NORTHEAST, THEN LOOKING SOUTHEAST AWAY FROM THE SITE.

HERE'S ONE OF THE SIDE STREETS COA DRIVE LOOKING WEST.

SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S A, A STREET THAT DEAD ENDS.

IT WOULD EXTEND INTO THE, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND, AND THEN, UH, NEO SHOW DRIVE IS THE OTHER ONE THAT WOULD EXTEND INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN LOOKING EAST AWAY FROM, UH, THE SITE, UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

SO IT IS BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE TRACTS.

UH, THERE'S A TRACT ONE, WHICH IS FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THAT'S THE TH THREE, UH, STANDARDS.

THEN THE LO ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT IS TRACK TWO.

TRACK THREE IS THIS OPEN SPACE AREA, AND WE HAD IT DESIGNATED AS TRACK THREE IN ORDER TO SPECIFY THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT TAKE PLACE WITHIN TRACK THREE.

UH, THAT'S IN ORDER TO PRESERVE SORT OF THE NATURAL, UH, THE NATURAL, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, THE NATURAL BEAUTY, THE NATURAL RESOURCES, ET CETERA.

UH, HERE'S A DETAILED VIEW OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND A DETAILED VIEW OF THE OFFICE.

UH, SEVERAL PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE.

UH, THE SIDE SETBACKS FOR RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE TWO FEET.

UH, THERE WILL BE REAR YARD SETBACKS ALONG PRAIRIE CREEK FOR THE HOUSES ALONG PRAIRIE CREEK WILL BE AN 80 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK.

UH, REAR YARD SETBACKS BY THE OFFICE.

PARKING LOT WOULD BE 25 FEET, UH, ALONG PRAIRIE CREEK, ALSO LIMITED TO TWO STORIES MAX.

UH, THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS 75%.

THEY DO WANT TO, UH, ALLOW AN ACCESSORY COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER PRIVATE BY RIGHT AND TRACKED ONE PARKING MINIMUMS WILL BE TWO OFF STREET SPACES PER LOT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN ONE PER 333 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA FOR THE ACCESSORY COMMUNITY CENTER SERVICE CENTER, AND THE OFFICE.

ADDITIONALLY, UH, DRIVEWAYS, THEY MUST BE 18 FEET AWAY FROM ADJACENT DRIVEWAYS.

SO THE INTENT THERE IS TO SORT OF PREVENT, UH, LARGE BREAKS WITHIN THE SIDEWALKS THERE SO THAT YOU HAVE SOME, SOME SPACING THERE.

IT MAKES IT SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT RIBBON DRIVEWAYS BE PROVIDED FOR AT LEAST 10% OF THE DRIVEWAYS.

THAT'S IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF PERVIOUS SURFACE AND REDUCE THE SORT OF RUNOFF AND EFFECTS THAT THAT HAS ON PRAIRIE CREEK.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR 30%.

UH, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING THAT ENCLOSED PARKING SPACES MUST HAVE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IF THEY'RE RECESSED LESS THAN SEVEN FEET FROM THE FRONT FACADE.

A MAXIMUM FENCE HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET, A MINIMUM SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK ALONG ALL ROADS, AND THEN PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS TO TRACK THREE AT EACH CUL-DE-SAC ADJACENT TO TRACK THREE, AS WELL AS THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE ST.

AUGUSTINE PARK AND THE PRAIRIE CREEK BRANCH LIBRARY.

ADDITIONALLY, STAFF HAS SOME RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THAT DEVIATE FROM THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED CONDITIONS FOR GARAGE DOORS.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY MUST BE RECESSED AT LEAST FIVE FEET FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE.

SIDEWALKS WOULD BE A MINIMUM SI SIX FOOT, WITH A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT

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WIDE BUFFER.

WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING OR RECOMMENDING PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS SUCH AS PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING, ENHANCED CROSSWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE FROM THE, UH, SECTION 1107 DESIGN STANDARDS.

UH, AND RESERVING 10% OF TRACK ONE FOR OPEN SPACE.

UH, AGAIN USING THE 1107 DEFINITIONS THERE THAT WE OFTEN SEE FOR, UM, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, BILLING, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HALL? UH, THANK YOU.

UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED AMEN, 30% FOR RIBBON DRIVEWAYS, BUT APPLICANT SAYS ONLY 10, UH, Y YES.

CAN YOU, DO YOU KNOW A REASON FOR THAT? UH, 10% WAS, UH, SORT OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, BROUGHT UP, UH, DURING SOME DISCUSSIONS, BOTH WITH, UH, WITH OUR LONG RANGE AND URBAN DESIGN TEAM.

UH, CERTAINLY 10% IS, IT'S BETTER THAN 0%, THAT'S FOR SURE.

UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING 30% JUST TO HAVE AS SORT OF AN ADDITIONAL, UH, INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF PURIA SURFACE TO REDUCE THE RUNOFF THAT GOES TOWARDS PRAIRIE CREEK.

UM, AND DISCUSSING WITH LONG RANGE AND WITH URBAN DESIGN, UH, THE PRAIRIE CREEK CREEK IS RATHER, IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA.

AND WHILE WE CERTAINLY WANT TO SEE, WE WANNA SEE HOUSING IN THE CITY, WE WANT TO HELP SEE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NATURAL AREAS ARE, UH, PROTECTED AND PRESERVED.

AND SO 30% IT WOULD PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL PROTECTION FOR THAT NATURAL RESOURCE.

UM, MR. BATE, WHAT? I WENT THROUGH THE, UM, ZONING REPLY PACKET LAST NIGHT, BY THE WAY.

THANKS AGAIN FOR AN EARLY PUBLISH OF THAT.

UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS SOME, UM, FOLKS THAT DIDN'T LIKE THIS CASE, BUT THEY WERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF PRAIRIE CREEK, WHICH IS REALLY A LITTLE SEPARATE FROM OUR AREA.

UH, WERE THERE ANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY DIALOGUE WITH THE FOLKS ON THE EAST THAT WHOSE STREETS WILL BE USED TO CONNECT INTO THIS? YOU KNOW, THERE, UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF STREETS THAT ARE GONNA BE THROUGH STREETS LEADING FROM, UM, FROM MASTERS THAT, UM, ARE GONNA LEAD TO THESE NEW RESIDENCES, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY BAD, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK YOU WERE GETTING.

CERTAINLY.

SO A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD, UH, THIS, THIS TUESDAY, UH, TUESDAY EVENING.

UH, CHAIR SHA WAS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE THERE.

UH, THE GENERAL COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, I THINK I, I WOULD, I WOULD CLASSIFY AS A MIX OF, UH, SUPPORT AND CONCERN FOR, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT AS WE OFTEN SEE WITH PROPOSALS FOR LARGE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, I DON'T RECALL SPECIFICALLY, UH, CONCERNS THAT CAME UP ABOUT TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE.

UM, PERHAPS EITHER, UH, DRISHA DE MIGHT HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT OR, UH, THE APPLICANT MIGHT HAVE HEARD.

UH, BUT I DO NOT RECALL ANY SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THOSE TWO THROUGH STREETS.

I ASSUME THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR LESS DENSITY THAN IS CURRENTLY ON THE GROUND TODAY.

DID THEY UNDERSTAND THAT? UH, YES, I BELIEVE THEY DO.

THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

I, I'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER HAN PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. BAY.

I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ON THE SIDE YARD SETBACK THAT'S SHOWN AT TWO FEET.

IT APPEARS THAT SOME OF THE, UM, PROPOSED LOTS WILL BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE R 75.

COULD YOU JUST SPEAK TO HOW THE TWO FEET WAS ESTABLISHED IN STAFF'S REVIEW WITH THE APPLICANT? UH, YEAH, THE TWO FEET, UM, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A, IT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND, UH, WE DID NOT SEE THAT IT WOULD BE NECESSARILY BE A CON A CONFLICT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE ADJACENT AREAS.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE SETBACK, ADDITIONALLY, THE MAJORITY OF THE SITES HERE THAT DO, UH, BUT THE R 7.5 A, UH, THESE RIGHT HERE ON THE EASTERN SIDE, THAT WOULD BE MORE DICTATED BY THE REAR YARD SETBACK AS WELL.

THAT WOULD BE REAR YARD, IS THAT WHAT I BELIEVE SO, YES.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY EXPECTATION.

AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME EXACTLY HOW THE TWO FEET IS MEANT TO BE, UM, IMPLEMENTED.

UM, BOTH INTERNAL BUT THEN ADJACENT TO THE SITE.

BUT TYPICALLY AT THAT, UM, SEPARATION, UH, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE WINDOWS.

AND SO THAT'S, AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS IN THE LARGER CONTEXT.

SO IT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UH, AT LEAST MY IMPRESSION THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS THAT ATTENDED THE MEETING WERE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE A COUPLE OF FOLKS AND MAYBE JUST TWO THAT THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS KIND OF HOVERED MORE ON, ON A COMMUNITY CENTER RECREATION CENTER THAT SOMEHOW WOULD BE A, UH, A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER WAS IT WAS KIND OF A TANGENTIAL ITEM? I WOULD SAY THAT YES, THERE WERE GENERALLY THE RECEPTION WAS RATHER WARM, AND I THINK A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP, I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN TO TOO MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS YET, BUT VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF BEING USED AS SORT OF AN AREA TO EXPRESS GENERAL CONCERNS IN THE COMMUNITY TO, UH, TO ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, UH, MR. BAY.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT FOR THE, THE COMMUNITY MEETING.

UH, THAT WAS, WOULD YOU SAY IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED? CERTAINLY.

I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND SOME OF THEIR PARTNERS IN THERE AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING WITH A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AS PART OF, UH, HELPING TO SORT OF PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP.

AND I THINK, YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE DIALOGUE.

I WOULD CHARACTERIZE IT.

IS IT ALSO FAIR TO SAY THAT,

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A BREAK NOW.

IT'S EXACTLY 10:00 AM LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.

VERY BACK.

THAT, THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

AND THEY ARE ALREADY OUT OF, UH, UTILIZING THAT PARTICULAR SERVICE FOR A REPAIR SHOP, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? UH, I BELIEVE SO, YES.

AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE, WELL, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE DOING ALSO WILL KIND OF HELP THAT, HELP THAT AREA AS WELL TO DO WHAT THEY DO MORE EFFICIENTLY AND, UM, SO THAT IT LOOKS BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY OPPOSED TO WHAT IT COMPUTE.

SO THAT SITE RIGHT IN THE BACK, DO YOU, ARE YOU AWARE WILL NOT BE DIS IT MAY BE IMPROVED UPON, BUT IT WON'T GO AWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M AWARE.

MM-HMM, .

MR. CLINTON, ACCORDING TO YOUR, UM, STAFF REPORT, THE CASE REPORT, THIS SITE IS ALREADY OPERATING AS A TRUCK STOP CORRECTLY, AND SO THEY'RE JUST NOW YES.

GETTING AROUND TO ASKING FOR AN SUP? YES.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE CURRENT USE IS OF SILVERADO AND WHAT THE INTENDED USE IS? BECAUSE THE SUP CONDITIONS SAY THAT EGRESS IS FORBIDDEN.

SO DOES THAT MEAN TRUCKS ARE SUPPOSED TO ENTER VIA SILVERADO? WE GOT A, A, A COMMUNICATION YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE, FROM A, A CITIZEN WHO SEEMED TO BE, UM, UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT TRUCKS WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE USING SILVERADO AND SENT US SOME PICTURES.

SO, SO THE CONDITIONS, UH, STATES INGRESS AND EGRESS, UM, AND WELL THAT'S THE SUBJECT HEADING.

I'M SORRY, BUT IT SAYS IT THAT INGRESS EGRESS IS THE, IS THE, THE HEADING, BUT IT SAYS FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES EGRESS IS NOT PERMITTED ONTO SILVERADO.

GOT YOU.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS A TYPO.

APOLOGIES, UM, ON MY END, HOWEVER, UM, YES, THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE THE TRUCKS ONLY ENTER FROM FRONTAGE FROM CF HA.

UM, ENTER AND EXIT FROM CF HA.

OKAY, SO THIS SHOULD SAY NO AC THERE SHOULD BE NO INGRESS OR EGRESS THAT CORRECT ON SILVERADO? CORRECT.

AND SO THAT MEANS THE SITE PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO SHOW THAT THAT DRIVE HAS BEEN REMOVED ENTIRELY? YES.

AND ARE WE ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING A LANDSCAPE PLAN ON THIS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? YES.

SO THE APPLICANT, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH THAT PORTION OF, UM, UH, BUT THAT IS NOT, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS SUBMITTAL, IF YOU WILL.

WELL, IT, IT, IT'S CONNECTED IN A WAY BECAUSE IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE REPORT CORRECTLY, IT SEEMED THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING SOME LANDSCAPING THAT WAS AN ENHANCEMENT TO ARTICLE 10 AND IF IT WAS GOING TO BE A, AN ENHANCEMENT ARTICLE 10, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THOSE ENHANCEMENTS BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SUP CONDITIONS? YES.

SO WE DID HAVE A, UM, MEETING AND WE DISCUSSED THAT THIS WEEK.

SO THEY ACTUALLY JUST HAVE TO DO WHAT IS REQUIRED BY ARTICLE 10, NOTHING.

SO THE ENHANCEMENTS ARE, ARE NOW BEING DROPPED? I MEAN, YES.

AS FAR AS REQUIREMENTS? YES.

AND I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, I SEEM TO ASK THIS QUESTION A LOT.

UH, THE RATIONALE FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD FOR A TRUCK STOP, GIVEN THAT TRUCK STOPS ARE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, UM, INTRUSIVE.

AND THIS WOULD MEAN THAT NO MATTER HOW THE AREA CHANGES IN THE FUTURE, THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A TRUCK STOP HERE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING, UM, THEY'VE HAD THE TRUCK STOP FOR AS LONG AS I GUESS THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, SO THEY JUST WANT TO GET THE SUP, SO IT'S ALLOWED BY.

SECOND AROUND COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, IN REGARDS TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S QUESTION, UM, ABOUT THE TIMELINE, THE TIME PERIOD FOR THE, THE SUP, UM,

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MR. CLINTON, ARE YOU AWARE THAT IT IS NOT MY, UM, I'M NOT ONE WHO BELIEVES IN PERMANENT SUVS.

I, I, ESPECIALLY ON THE INITIALS UP, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THAT'S MY WAY THAT I NORMALLY OPERATE? I AM AWARE.

THANK, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT CASE.

THANK YOU MR. CLINTON.

UH, COMMISSIONER'S CASE NUMBER 17 WILL HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO SEPTEMBER 5TH.

WE WILL BRIEF IT THEN TAKES TO NUMBER 18.

I'M, I'M STILL HERE, .

ALRIGHT, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 18, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 23.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MICRO BREW BREWERY, MICRO DISTILLERY OR WINERY ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND NORTHCROSS STREET.

UH, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A NEW SUP AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SIZE.

HERE IS OUR LOCATION MAP AND THIS IS OUR AERIAL MAP.

UM, HERE'S THE ZONING MAP WITH THE, UM, EXISTING SURROUNDING USES.

SO COMMERCIAL RETAIL AS WELL AS, UH, PD 2 69, UM, TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST OF THE SITE.

UM, TO THE EAST OF THE SITE, THERE IS, UH, EXISTING SUP NUMBER 2, 3 1 9.

UM, BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THIS.

IT'S, UH, AGAIN, UH, ZONE PD, UH, 2 69 SUBDISTRICT TRACT A, UH, WITH, UH, CVD DOWNTOWN DEMOLITION DELAY OVERLAY.

UM, THIS IS A CORNER LOT, SO IT HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH MAIN AND, UH, NORTH CRODA STREET.

IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, A VACANT BUILDING AND THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, WOULD BE BETWEEN 11:00 AM AND 12:00 AM MIDNIGHT MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.

UM, AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A MICROBREWERY MICRO DISTILLERY OR A WINERY ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN ZONING CASES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND THIS IS A NEW SUV.

SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, SITE VISIT PHOTOS.

THIS IS ON MAIN STREET.

LOOKING TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, THIS IS ON MAIN STREET, LOOKING WEST.

THIS IS ON MAIN STREET LOOKING SOUTH.

THIS IS ON MAIN STREET LOOKING EAST.

UH, THIS IS ON NORTH CRODA STREET LOOKING NORTH.

UM, SAME LOCATION LOOKING SOUTH.

UM, HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UM, AND, UH, QUICK STAFF ANALYSIS.

SO ALTHOUGH, UH, THE EXISTING, THERE ARE EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES IN THE AREA, UM, OF THE SUBJECT SITE, THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENCIES SEEM TO CLASH WITH THE PROPOSED USE.

UM, THE PROPOSED USE, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT USES.

UM, AND THE REQUEST IS SEEM TO BE, UH, POTENTIALLY DE DETRIMENTAL TO THE IMMEDIATE USES.

UM, AS WELL, THE, UH, PROPOSAL DOES NOT ALIGN WITH, UH, THE GOALS, UH, OF, FOR DALLAS.

SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DID YOU WANT MR. CLINTON, SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THE REASON FOR STAFF'S DENIAL IS THE, UM, ADJACENCY OF THIS, UH, MICRO, UM, BREWERY, CERY, WHATEVER IT IS TO A SCHOOL.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, I, I WAS, I MUST ADMIT, I WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED WHEN I SAW THIS, THIS RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT POLICY HAD ALWAYS BEEN THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SEPARATE CHILDREN, UNDERAGE CHILDREN FROM, FROM ALCOHOL.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY, UM, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, ALCOHOL, HEAVY ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT, HEAVY AREA.

UM, AND AS A BARBER SCHOOL FOR ADULTS,

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I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE AGES OR, UH, THE RANGE OF WHO'S ATTENDING THE SCHOOL.

'CAUSE IT'S FOLLOWING THIS LINE OF THOUGHT.

IF IT WERE A TRUCK DRIVING SCHOOL NEXT DOOR, WOULD THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION BE THE SAME OR A POLE DANCING SCHOOL? I THINK THAT WOULD IT MIGHT FIT IF IT WAS POLE DANCING, UM, , NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED.

UH, OR DEPENDENT ON CASE BY CASE BASIS.

SO MANY JOKES THERE THAT I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GET NEAR COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, MR. CLINTON, UM, WITHIN PD 2 69, IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE IS A BUYRIGHT ALLOWANCE FOR TECHNICAL SCHOOL AND BUSINESS SCHOOLS? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THE BARBERSHOP LIKELY FALLS WITHIN THAT? YES.

USE CLASSIFICATION.

THERE'S A SEPARATE USE CLASSIFICATION FOR, UM, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, DENOMINATIONAL SCHOOLS, AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT REQUIRE AN SUP? MM, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THERE'S NO SUP RELATED TO THE BARBER SCHOOL.

I HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.

WELL, PER THE ZONING MAP IN OUR CASE REPORT, I CAN REPORT THAT THE SUP IS NOT VISIBLE.

NOT VISIBLE, YES.

SO ANY KNOWN ISSUES, UM, WITH THE OPERATOR, WITH THE EXISTING USE, UM, AS PART OF THE STAFF REVIEW? UM, NO.

'CAUSE THIS WAS AGAIN, INDEPENDENTLY, UM, EVALUATED.

EVALUATED.

SO YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR EXISTING USE.

WELL I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT THAT.

MM-HMM, .

SO THE USE ON THE CORNER, THEY HAVE TWO FRONTAGES.

I THINK THERE WAS A REFERENCE ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, CIRCULATION AND LOADING.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE'S A DEDICATED LOADING SPACE IN FRONT OF THIS SPACE? IT'S ON STREET, BUT THAT IT'S DEDICATED WITHIN THE AREA? WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN BY, UH, LOADING SPACE? LIKE DROP PICKUP, DROP OFF, OR? CORRECT.

UM, SO ON, ON STREET LOADING IS PROVIDED FOR IN THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE? YES MA'AM.

I DID SEE THAT, YES.

AND THEN THE USE OF THE SPACE ITSELF, IT'S A INTENDED TO BE A MICROBREWERY, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE BREWING, UM, ON SITE.

DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW LARGE THEIR RETAIL FACILITY BUT WILL BE WITHIN THE SITE? ACCORDING TO THEIR SITE PLAN, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING IS 7,900 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN OUT OF THAT 7,900 SQUARE FEET, ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET WOULD, WOULD BE USED FOR THAT.

UM, THE SUP, SO I THINK IT'S 2250 IS THE TOTAL SUP AREA, BUT IT'LL BE, UM, SPLIT BETWEEN WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE PRODUCTION VERSUS WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE RETAIL.

AND I, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT THIS, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S APPROXIMATELY 700 SQUARE FEET.

SO A SMALL RETAIL, THE BULK OF IT WILL BE FOR THE BREWING THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR ON SITE? I BELIEVE SO.

SO PRETTY, PRETTY LIMITED USE.

MM-HMM, .

AND THEN IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR REPORT THERE'S A NUMBER OF BARS, A NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT, SOME RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.

SO IT'S, IT'S VERY MIXED IN THE, IN THE AREA? THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, AND I WILL ASK THIS.

I WAS ABLE TO VISIT WITH SOME OF THE, UM, IMMEDIATE STAKEHOLDERS.

ARE YOU AWARE IF THE, UM, BARBERSHOP, THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE OPERATOR HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AS A PART OF THE REVIEW OF THIS? I'M NOT AWARE.

I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT THAT AND THEN, UM, I WILL UNFORTUNATELY OBSERVE.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE BARBERSHOP IS NO LONGER IN OPERATION IN TRAINING SCHOOL? EXCUSE ME.

AS OF WHAT DAY? TWO WEEKS AGO.

TWO.

OH, WELL THEY WERE, WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, I HAD YOUR REPORT.

UNDERSTOOD.

I'D LIKE A THANK YOU.

MR. HALL, UH, MR. CLINTON, UM, THE STAFF REPORT, UH, SAYS THAT, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU RECOMMENDED DENIAL WAS THAT IT WAS, WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH FORWARD DALLAS.

I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, FORWARD DALLAS 2006, THE EXISTING LAND USE PLAN AND NOT FORWARD DALLAS 2.0 THAT WE ADDRESSED LAST, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

I'LL PLAY REFEREE THERE A LITTLE BIT.

UH, FOR DALLAS, 2.0 HAS NOT BEEN ADOPTED BY COUNCIL YET, SO YOU WON'T SEE US, UM, EVALUATING ANY CASE, UH, IN REFERENCE TO THAT PLAN UNTIL

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

THANK YOU MR. CLINTON.

UH, COMMISSIONER'S CASE NUMBER 19 IS, UH, ALSO GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO SEPTEMBER.

UH, WE'LL CLARIFY THAT DATE.

UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT IS, I DON'T THINK HE'S ONLINE AT THE MOMENT.

WE'LL GET THAT AT THE HEARING.

UH, LET'S TAKE A BREAK AT THIS POINT HERE.

COMMISSIONER, UH, TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.

SIX.

WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.

IT IS 11:09 AM WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO PEPPER SQUARE AND BRIEF THAT CASE NOW.

LET ME GET THIS ONE UP JUST A SECOND.

THE BIGGER THE POWERPOINT, THE LONGER IT TAKES THE LOAD GUYS.

SO JUST GIMME ANOTHER MOMENT.

TAKE YOUR TIME.

THIS REQUEST IS FOR A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH A BASE OF MIXED USE TWO DISTRICT, AND THEY HAVE PROHIBITED CERTAIN USES WITHIN THIS PD AS WELL.

THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

WE HAVE IT ALL LOADED UP.

MY NAME IS JENNIFER MUNOZ AND I'M THE CASE MANAGER FOR Z 2 12 3 5 8.

THIS CASE WAS PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED FOR THREE DIFFERENT HEARINGS THAT HAD BEEN POSTPONED AND HELD.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST BRIEFING OF THIS CASE.

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THERE ARE CURRENTLY THE SITE IS ZONED TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT AND THERE ARE SUVS ON THE PROPERTY FOR CELL TOWERS.

THE PROPERTY CONTAINS 15 AND A HALF ACRES AND IS LOCATED IN FAR NORTH DALLAS AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH PRESTON ROAD.

AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF BELTLINE ROAD.

HERE'S AN ARROW MAP IDENTIFYING THAT PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE THE LAYOUT OF THOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES, ALL RETAIL STRUCTURES THAT EXIST THAT WERE BUILT BETWEEN 1977 AND 2001.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL LEASE AREA IN 11 ONE AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS.

SO THE SITE IS OBVIOUSLY AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO LARGE THOROUGHFARES, WHICH IT IS CURRENTLY JUST USED SINCE IT'S A RETAIL CENTER.

THERE'S NO, UM, WALKABILITY THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN AND IT'S REALLY JUST SURFACE PARKING WITH RETAIL STRUCTURES TO BE A CAR OR AUTO ORIENTED DESTINATION.

HERE'S THE ZONING MAP THAT IDENTIFIES THE SUBJECT SITE.

AGAIN, ZONED AS CR DISTRICT AND THE SURROUNDING LAND, EXCUSE ME, ZONING DISTRICTS TO THE NORTHEAST.

WE DO HAVE A LIMITED OFFICE RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF PRESTON AND BELTLINE.

AND THEN BEHIND THAT WE DO HAVE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AS WELL AS TO THE EAST.

ALL ALONG BELTLINE ACROSS FROM THE SUBJECT SITE WHERE THERE ARE SOME SORT OF TOWNHOUSE UNITS THAT ARE BUILT TO THEIR REARS FACING BELTLINE.

AND THEN THEY HAVE INTERIOR FRONTAGE ALONG BERRY TRAIL AND OTHER INTERIOR ROADWAYS.

BEYOND THAT, THERE IS ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, BUT THAT'S, UM, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET DOWN BERRY TRAIL TO THE SOUTH.

WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL CR DISTRICT, THAT AREA, PART OF IT, UM, NORTH ON BY ALEXIS DRIVE WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THIS AREA OF REQUEST, BUT THE APPLICATION, WHICH HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR OVER TWO YEARS NOW, DID, IT WAS AMENDED AT THE START OF THE PROCESS AND THEY DECIDED TO REDUCE THE OVERALL AREA BY ALMOST FIVE ACRES.

SO THAT SECTION IS NO LONGER A PART OF IT.

AND THAT'S WHERE THERE ARE, UH, FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, AUTO SERVICE CENTER AND AMER A MINI WAREHOUSE USE.

THAT'S BY SUP TO THE WEST.

WE HAVE PD 2 72 THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT USES.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE USES THAT ARE ALL RELATED TO RETAIL USES, INCLUDING RESTAURANT PERSONAL SERVICE AND A GENERAL MERCHANDISE IN, IN FOOD STORE, INCLUDING FUEL.

UM, TO THE NORTHWEST THOUGH, WE DO HAVE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE USES.

AND THEN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S PART OF TWO NEW PDS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS FARTHER TO THE NORTHWEST.

SO THIS AGAIN, IS JUST THE OVERVIEW WHERE I DISCUSS, UM, ABOUT THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AND HOW THE SITE CURRENTLY ZONE AS A CR DISTRICT DOES NOT ALLOW ANY RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO IT'S STRICTLY FOR RETAIL USES AT THIS TIME.

SO THIS REQUEST WOULD CHANGE THIS AUTO ORIENTED RETAIL ONLY SHOPPING DESTINATION AND COMBINE IT WITH, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES, POSSIBLY PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL, AND INCREASE THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES AND PROVIDE OPEN SPACES.

SO INSTEAD OF SEEING JUST LARGE RETAIL STRUCTURES WITH SURFACE PARKING, WE WOULD SEE MORE GREEN AREAS AND CONNECTIONS TO THE EXTERIOR THAT CONNECT INTO THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND THOSE OPEN SPACE GREEN AREAS TO BRING IN PEOPLE FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND CONNECT THEM TO A TRAIL TO THE SOUTH ACROSS THE LEXUS DRIVE.

THERE'S A LOT OF AMENITIES THAT ARE PROPOSED WITH THIS REQUEST AND IN RETURN THEY'VE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL DENSITY, ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, AND THEY'RE NOT OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF THE BASE MU TWO DISTRICT, BUT THEY ARE SPECIFIC TO THE DESIGN OF THIS SITE.

THERE, THERE IS A STATED VISION WITH THIS PD, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE, BUT, UM, THEY DID REQUEST TO HAVE THIS INCLUDED.

THEY, YOU CAN READ THIS IN THE CASE REPORT IN THE CONDITIONS AS WELL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT UP THERE TO NOTE THAT THEY HAVE THIS OVERARCHING VISION FOR THIS PD AREA AND IT'S SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE PDS TO THE NORTHWEST THAT WERE LAST APPROVED.

UM, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WHOLE AREA IS KIND OF CHANGING AWAY FROM THAT SHOPPING RETAIL DESTINATION, AUTO ORIENTED, UM, IDEOLOGY OVER TO NOW TRYING TO LIVE, WORK, PLAY, ALLOW PEOPLE TO SHOP

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WHERE THEY LIVE AND USE THE OPEN GREEN SPACES AND BE ABLE TO ACCESS THINGS MORE EASILY.

THERE WERE CHANGES RECEIVED IN THE TWO WEEK HOLD THAT WAS GRANTED TO THEM SINCE YOU LAST HAD THEM ON THE DOCKET ON JULY 25TH.

AND THOSE CHANGES INCLUDED ADDING THE DEFINITION FOR A HABITAT GARDEN.

THEY PROHIBITED INDUSTRIAL USES ENTIRELY.

THEY REDUCED THE DENSITY ALMOST BY HALF, UM, TO A, FROM A MAXIMUM OF 1,550 UNITS WITH MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO A MAXIMUM OF 984 UNITS.

AND THAT'S INCLUDING 116 RETIREMENT SPECIFIC HOUSING USES OR USE.

THEY ADDED THAT AS A POTENTIAL BONUS.

RATHER THAN PROVIDING MIXED INCOME HOUSING, THEY WOULD JUST PROVIDE RETIREMENT HOUSING INSTEAD.

THEY DID ALLOW THE OPTION TO COMBINE THAT ALONG WITH MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND INCLUDE THE RETIREMENT HOUSING.

SO THEY COULD DO ONE THE OTHER OR NEITHER DEPENDING ON HOW THEY CHOOSE TO PROCEED.

THEY REMOVED THE HIGHER DENSITY SECOND BONUS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY WORKED INTO THE PD TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND DENSITY THAT WOULD'VE GOTTEN THEM UP TO THE 1,550 UNITS.

THEY ADDED A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 35,000 SQUARE FEET FOR RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES, AND THEY REQUIRE 50% OF ALL GROUND FLOOR SPACE FRONTING OPEN SPACE TO BE RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES.

THEY AGAIN REMOVED THE SECOND TIER FOR THE FLOOR AREA RATIO BONUS, AND THEY ARE NOW REQUIRING URBAN FORMS SETBACK FOR PHASE ONE, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, SOME APARTMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THAT AREA.

SO THAT IS A PART OF, OF, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S PHASE P.

ADDITIONALLY, UM, THEY ADDED A CLARIFYING STATEMENT ON THE ABILITY OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO RELOCATE TREES.

SO THIS IS IN THE LANDSCAPING SECTION IN CASE THERE ARE CONFLICTS WITH UTILITIES, DRIVEWAYS, OR VISIBILITY TRIANGLES.

THEY ARE NOW REQUIRING A FENCE ALONG OPEN SPACE A ON THE PERIMETER OF BELTLINE ROAD AND REMOVED SOME PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES.

THEY DECREASED THE SPACING OF PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES FROM 500 FEET TO EVERY 300 FEET, AND THEY ADDED A MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT WIDE TRAIL CONNECTION TO MATCH THE PRI PERIMETER SIDEWALK ALONG BELTLINE ROAD.

BUT THERE ARE NO CHANGES MADE TO THE PLAN.

HERE ARE PHOTOS OF MY SITE VISIT STARTING, UM, LOOKING SOUTH FROM BELTLINE ROAD ONTO THE PROPERTY, AND WE ARE GOING SOUTHWEST FROM BELTLINE ROAD ONTO THE PROPERTY.

AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING OVER FROM PRESTON ROAD EAST ONTO THE SITE.

AND NOW HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHWEST NORTHEAST THAT'S IN THE LIMITED OFFICE AREA.

AND THEN THIS IS IN THE MULTIFAMILY AREA.

THIS IS WHAT'S FACING ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND THIS IS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH.

AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING SOUTH FROM THE SITE ONTO THE ADJACENT, UH, RETAIL USES.

THESE ARE ALL NORTH OF ALEXIS DRIVE, AND THIS IS LOOKING FROM PRESTON EAST ONTO THE SITE OR THE ADJACENT SITE NOW, UM, BECAUSE IT IS VERY CONNECTED TO ALEXIS AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY A PART OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.

I DID INCLUDE SOME PHOTOS SOUTH OF ALEXIS DRIVE, AND THAT'S TO THE SOUTHWEST ON PRESTON, WHERE THERE'S A LARGER OFFICE TOWER, AN ADDITIONAL RETAIL USES TO THE WEST.

AGAIN, A CONTINUATION OF PD 2 72 FOR SHOPPING CENTER USES.

YOU SEE THE FUELING CENTER AND THE OTHER RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT THAT AREA.

SO THERE'S LOTS OF RETAIL AND SHOPPING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT HERE.

NOW THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT CHART THAT'S BEEN REDUCED HERE, AND I'M SHOWING YOU THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, UH, FOR THE CR DISTRICT AS THEY ARE ENTITLED CURRENTLY.

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AND THEN THE PROPOSED WITH THE PD WITH THE MU TWO BASE.

I DO HAVE THE ORIGINAL M MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUSES, UM, ONE AND TWO, AND THEN AS A COMPARISON, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THEY WERE A STRAIGHT MU TWO DISTRICT IN OUR CODE.

SO AT THIS TIME, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE UP TO 54 FEET IN HEIGHT OR FOUR STORIES AND 60% LOCK COVERAGE.

AND AS I MENTIONED, THE CR DISTRICT DOES NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO THAT'S ALL FOR RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE AND OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THAT DISTRICT, BUT PRIMARILY RETAIL.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THEIR SETBACKS ARE 15 FEET FRONT YARD, AND THEN IF THERE IS DIRECT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, 20 FEET FOR SIDE AND REAR.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE NO MINIMUMS IN ANY OTHER CASE.

NOW THIS SITE DOES HAVE FRONT YARDS ON PRESTON AND BELTLINE ACROSS THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE, AND SO YOU WOULD SEE THAT 15 FOOT FRONT YARD IN THOSE AREAS.

AN MU TWO DISTRICT HAS A SIMILAR FRONT YARD OF 15 FEET, AND THEN WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING FOR THE PD IS A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER YARD SPACE WITH 50 FEET ON PRESTON ROAD AND 25 FEET.

ALL ALONG BELTLINE, THEY HAVE ADDED THE CONDITION OR PROVISION THAT URBAN FORM APPLIES TO PHASE I, WHICH IS THE LOWEST SECTION, I'M SORRY, I DON'T THINK IT'S, I I THINK IT'S ONE WHICH IS TO THE SOUTHWEST.

IT'S THE TALLEST PORTION OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THE CHANGES YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THAT THEY WOULD BE GRANTED SIGNIFICANTLY MORE HEIGHT IN THE MAJORITY OF THE PD.

THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN OUTLINES THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PERMITTED TO GO UP TO 75 FEET IN HEIGHT EXCEPT FOR THE ONE AREA, PHASE ONE, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTHWEST, WHICH FRONTS DIRECTLY ON PRESTON AND WOULD GO UP TO 165 FEET IN HEIGHT.

SO FOR OPEN SPACES, THEY HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 36 FEET.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT IN COMPARISON, THE MU TWO BASE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GO ANYWHERE BETWEEN 135 TO 180 FEET IN HEIGHT.

NOW WITH THE MIXED USE DISTRICT, THE MORE USES THAT YOU MIX AND BY ADDING RESIDENTIAL USES TO YOUR MIX, YOU ARE GRANTED ADDITIONAL RIGHTS AND THAT INCLUDES HIGHER, OF COURSE DENSITY OR IN THIS CASE ALSO HIGHER HEIGHT.

WHEN WE MOVE ON TO THE DENSITY SECTION, AGAIN CR NO DENSITY BECAUSE NO RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PERMITTED AND THE FAR HAS A MAXIMUM IF YOU HAVE COMBINED USES OF 0.75 SO SIGNIFICANTLY A LOWER, LOWER STRUCTURES WITH A LOT LESS, UM, BUILD OUT OR BULK OF THOSE STRUCTURES.

AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND THEN WHAT IS COMPARED TO THE BASE MU TWO DISTRICT, THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED CURRENTLY IS 48.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

AND WITH, UM, ONE BONUS BEING AN OPTION, IF THEY PROVIDE 5%, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT AN 81 TO 100 A MFI, THEY'RE NOW PROPOSING TO RECEIVE A BONUS OF ONLY 7.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

SO THAT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL BUMP.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THEY'VE INCLUDED THAT THE FAR WOULD GO UP TO 2.85 FROM 2.5.

SO THE BASE MU TWO DISTRICT HAS A DWELLING UNIT DENSITY THAT STARTS AT 50 PER ACRE.

AND SO BY GOING TO 48.5, THEY'RE BELOW THE BASE FOR THE LOWEST OF MU TWO DISTRICT.

AND THEN THEIR FIRST BUMP, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, IS FOR 7.5, WHICH STILL KEEPS THEM BELOW 60 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

WITH AN MU TWO DISTRICT BASE, YOU COULD GO UP TO 75 IF YOU MIX WITH A SECOND USE AND ALL THE WAY UP TO A HUNDRED IF YOU MIX WITH TWO OR MORE USES.

AND THEN THE FAR GOES CLIMBS ALL THE WAY TO 2.25.

IN THIS CASE, THEIR BASE FAR IS LARGER IN THIS REQUEST, SO THEY ARE ASKING FOR SOME BULK ON THEIR STRUCTURES.

THOSE ARE THE MAIN DIFFERENCES.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE CLOSE TO MU TWO WITH HAVING NOW WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER DENSITY.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TWO AREAS THAT ARE SHADED ARE THE OPEN SPACES AND HERE IT IS ENLARGED.

UM, THOSE THAT SAY PARK ON THERE ARE ACTUALLY OPEN SPACE.

I THINK I HAVE AN OLDER VERSION OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN HERE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

BUT OVERALL IT IS THE SAME HERE.

AS FAR AS THE LOCATION OF THOSE OPEN SPACES, IT'S THE NAME THAT HAS CHANGED.

PHASE P

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IS SHOWN HERE AS HAVING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO THE SOUTHWEST, AS I MENTIONED ALONG PRESTON OF 165 FEET.

AND THEN THE PHASE N AND PHASE ONE EACH HAVE THE 75 FOOT MAX THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED IN THE CONDITIONS AS WELL.

HERE IS THE PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SHOWS THE STRUCTURE THAT'S, UM, ACROSS FROM BERRY TRAIL FRONTING ALONG BELTLINE ROAD HAS THAT MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 75 FEET.

AND THERE IS THIS DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S RECOMMENDED FROM OUR TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE ON SIGNALIZATION, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF BERRY TRAIL AND BELT LANE ROAD TO CONSTRUCT THE WESTBOUND APPROACH OF THE BELTLINE VILLAGE DRIVEWAY TO PRESTON ROAD AS A TWO LANE APPROACH TO CONSTRUCT A RIGHT TURN DECELERATION LANE FOR THE NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURNING MOVEMENT FROM PRESTON TO BELTLINE VILLAGE DRIVEWAY AND TO CONSTRUCT A RIGHT TURN DECELERATION LANE FOR THE NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURNING MOVEMENT FROM PRESTON TO PEPPER SQUARE.

SO TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE TIAA INCLUDE A THRESHOLD OF OR MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT BASED ON ROAD CAPACITY AND ADDITIONALLY THEY REQUIRE A PARKING DEMAND STUDY BE PROVIDED FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH HAS NOT YET BEEN PROVIDED.

THOSE WILL BE REQUIRED AT TIME OF PERMITTING OTHERWISE.

SO THERE ARE STILL DIFFERENCES IN OPINION THAT YOU SAW BOXED OUT IN THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE DOCKET TODAY.

AND ADDITIONALLY, I'VE MADE SOME DISCUSSION OF THEM AS TALKING POINTS THROUGHOUT MY REPORT, WHICH ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MASSIVE DROP IN THE DENSITY THAT'S PROPOSED.

STAFF IS STILL OF THE POSITION THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT IN TOTALITY FOR, YOU KNOW, ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW.

AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE HEARING THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING DROPPING THE DENSITY HALF WELL BELOW WHAT IS PERMITTED BY THE MU TWO BASE.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND KEEPING WHAT THE ORIGINAL REQUEST ENTAILED, WHICH IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY VETTED AND DEEMED TO BE, UH, SUITABLE FOR THE SITE, AS WELL AS INCORPORATED MIXED INCOME HOUSING AS AN ASPECT WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY AND TO THE RESIDENTS.

SO AT THIS TIME, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT IS ALL BUT COMPLETELY CHANGED, UM, ALONG WITH THE DENSITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED NOW THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO EITHER PROVIDE 5% OR PROVIDE 116 RETIREMENT HOUSING UNITS.

WHILE RETIREMENT HOUSING UNITS ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF ANY SORT OF AFFORDABILITY.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT BONUS BASED ON AFFORDABILITY, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE SUITABLE PLACE TO INCORPORATE IT AS A BONUS.

IT IS DEFINITELY A DESIRABLE USE.

HOWEVER, WHICH IS PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT AS AN MU TWO BASE SURFACE PARKING ALONG PRESTON IS STILL SOMETHING THAT IS UNDESIRABLE AND SO STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THOSE TWO ROWS THAT ARE PROPOSED ALONG PRESTON.

INTERIOR SURFACE PARKING IS PERMITTED THROUGHOUT AND SO FRONTING ALONG THE STREETS IN THIS 50 FOOT SETBACK THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE A LOT OF GREEN AREA AND POSSIBLY CONNECTIONS GOING INTO THE SITE.

SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW US MAYBE ACCESS TO RETAIL USES, SOMETHING THAT PROVIDED BETTER DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF RATHER THAN SEEING JUST ADDITIONAL WHAT THEY CALL TEASER PARKING ALONG PRESTON TO GET PEOPLE IN.

NOW ANOTHER SECTION IS THE SIGN SECTION STAFF DOES NOT AGREE WITH INCREASING THE NUMBER OF DETACHED SIGNS ALLOWED PER STREET FRONTAGE BECAUSE IT ALSO INCLUDES PER BUILD SITE.

WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS TO COME AS FAR AS WHERE HOW THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, PARCEL OUT THE SITE, ESPECIALLY AFTER IT'S BEEN ENTITLED.

WHAT WILL CHANGE IN THE FUTURE THAT COULD LEAD TO A WHOLE LOT OF DETACHED SIGNS FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WOULD DETRACT FROM THE IMPROVED APPEARANCE.

OVERALL, THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE NUMBER ONE, DOUBLE THE SIGNS.

NUMBER TWO, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY SITES IN THE FUTURE THAT COULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN THEY HAVE PROPOSED THIS FENCE ALONG BELT BELTLINE ROAD.

THIS IS NEW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID NOT DISCUSS PREVIOUSLY.

UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY THEY'VE DONE IT AND UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD LIMIT THEM IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE OUR DESIGN STANDARDS ALREADY INCLUDE FENCING AND THEN OF COURSE OUR CODE PERMITS THAT STYLE OF FENCE THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED, WHICH IS A FOUR TO SIX FOOT OPEN FENCE THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED BY RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND IF THEY'RE TRYING TO GUARANTEE IT FOR SOME REASON, BUT IT WOULD LIMIT THE ACCESS TO THE OPEN SPACE.

AND SO

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WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE NEARBY BEING ON THE BELTLINE SIDE, PROBABLY HAVING THE BEST ACCESS TO OPEN SPACE.

A IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE TO THEN CUT THAT OFF BY PUTTING A FENCE THERE.

THEY COULD UTILIZE SHRUBS OR MANY OTHER SCREENING ELEMENTS IF IT IS AN ISSUE OF SAFETY OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF ACCESS POINT IF STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, SOME SORT OF ACCESS FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE OPEN SPACE.

OTHERWISE, IF THEY DO MAINTAIN THE FENCE AS PROPOSED AND THEN PRES PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, WE'RE STILL NOT AT UM, AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

STAFF JUST FEELS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FOR EACH OPEN SPACE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE KIND OF DOUBLE DIPPING.

MANY OF THE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, AT LEAST TWO OF THEM TRASH RECEPTACLES AND BENCHES ARE ALREADY REQUIRED IN A DIFFERENT SECTION ON SIDEWALKS.

SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO INCLUDE THOSE AS TWO OUT OF FIVE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED IN THESE OPEN SPACES.

I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GETTING EXTRA CREDIT FOR THAT AND THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA BE THERE.

SO EITHER REMOVE THEM FROM THE PEDESTRIAN, UM, AMENITIES FROM THE LIST OF ALLOWABLE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES OR YOU SHOULD UP IT AT LEAST ONE.

I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE DO WANT TRASH RECEPTACLES AND BENCHES IN THE OPEN SPACES, BUT IF THEY'RE ALREADY REQUIRED, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, AT LEAST 50% CREDIT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE AT A DIFFERENCE OF ONE HERE.

AND THEN FINALLY THE CONNECTION TO THE PUBLIC TRAIL SYSTEM.

WE DO HAVE SOME CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE WHICH ARE IN THE DOCKET.

I HAVE PRO, EXCUSE ME, I'VE PROVIDED THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE AND THEN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THERE MAY BE FURTHER CHANGES TO THAT SECTION.

ULTIMATELY STAFF WOULD SAY THAT WE FULLY SUPPORT HAVING THE CONNECTION TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM TO THE SOUTH.

HOW THAT COMES ABOUT IS THE QUESTION WHO'S PAYING FOR WHAT AND HOW WE MEMORIALIZE THAT IN THIS PD.

THOSE ARE THE FINAL TERMS THAT ARE STILL UP IN THE AIR.

SO OVERALL WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THIS PROJECT.

WE THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL, BUT IT'S APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MUNOZ.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, SLEEPER, UH, MS. MUNOZ, UM, AND YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION.

YOU DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT UH, I THINK THE, IT'S TO THE NORTHWEST, THE OLD PRESTON NE NORTE PROPERTY.

THERE, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT UPZONING THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED, ALTHOUGH IT HADN'T BEEN BUILT YET.

SO I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHEN YOU DO YOUR ANALYSIS OF A REQUEST LIKE THIS, DO YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT UPZONING CATTYCORNER FROM THIS, DO YOU CONSIDER THAT TO BE A FAVORABLE CONDITION FOR A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GRANT, WE'VE ALREADY GRANTED MORE ZONING, SO WHY NOT GRANT MORE ZONING HERE OR DO YOU CONSIDER IT A NEGATIVE FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT, UM, THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION AND EMAILS AND SO FORTH ABOUT THE, UH, THE THE DENSITY AND THE TRAFFIC DENSITY AND THE LOAD ON THAT INTERSECTION, THE FACT THAT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT CATTY CORNER'S GONNA CREATE A GREAT DEAL MORE DEMAND AND, AND THIS ONE WOULD TOO.

SO HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU WEIGH THOSE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OR NOT APPROVAL? WHEN WE, UM, ASSESS A REQUEST, WE DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING DENSITY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS SUITABLE FOR THE REQUEST SITE.

NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE INCREASED VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE EXPECT THOSE, THOSE ITEMS TO BE REVIEWED BY OUR ENGINEER.

YOU, YOU EXPECT WHAT? I'M SORRY.

THEY ARE REVIEWED IN THE ANALYSIS PROVIDED TO OUR ENGINEER AND THEN WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THAT, WHICH IS WHY THOSE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS I DESCRIBED FROM OUR ENGINEER INCLUDING SIGNALIZATION AND HOW TO MAINTAIN CERTAIN DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES AND TURN LANES ARE ALL INCORPORATED INTO THE REQUEST.

QUESTIONS FOR HIM FOR A LITTLE LATER, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE FOR HIM.

SO, SO IF, IF I'M READING BETWEEN THE LINES, WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO SAY THAT THE, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER DID NOT FEEL LIKE THE EXTRA BURDEN CAUSED, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS, UM, A FACTOR THAT WOULD WEIGH AGAINST IT? IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I THINK THEY LOOK AT IT AS WHAT MEASURES ARE CAN BE TAKEN TO PROPERLY MANAGE THE TRAFFIC.

ALRIGHT, I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE AND IS MR. NAVARRA IS AVAILABLE? WELL, I CAN SAVE MY

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UM, FIRST OFF IS, I THINK WE GOT AN EMAIL WITHIN THE LAST DAY OR TWO ABOUT THE ZONING SIGNS ON THIS PROPERTY BEING ZONING NOTIFICATION SIGNS ON THIS PROPERTY BEING DOWN.

UM, WHEN WERE, WHEN WERE YOU ALERTED TO THAT ISSUE? WE WERE ALERTED LATE LAST WEEK AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED SIGNS IMMEDIATELY AND REPOSTED THEM.

OKAY, SO THEY WERE REPOSTED WITHIN HOW LONG AFTER YOU IT DID TAKE OUR STAFF, UM, AN ADDITIONAL DAY TO PRINT THE SIGNS.

SO THEY WERE POSTED TWO DAYS LATER, I BELIEVE.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG THE ZONING SIGNS HAD BEEN DOWN? NO, UM, IT'S BASED ON REPORTING.

SO AS SOON AS THEY'RE REPORTED, THEN WE ADVISE THE APPLICANT SO THAT THEY CAN CHECK, VERIFY, AND REPOST AS NEEDED.

I JUST WANNA GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE.

IS THERE SOMEONE ON ONLINE, UM, I GUESS NOT, UM, JUST GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE.

YOU TOUCHED ON HOW THE AREA OF REQUEST HAD SHRUNK BY ABOUT FIVE ACRES, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THAT FIVE ACRES WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL IF, IF THIS ZONE, IF SOME SORT OF ZONING CHANGE OR PASSED TODAY, RIGHT? YES.

WHAT ABOUT THE HEIGHT? WHAT WAS THE INITIAL REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT ON HEIGHT INITIALLY THEY HAD REQUESTED, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT THE MAXIMUM OF WHAT THEY HAVE NOW, AND THEN WITH ADDITIONAL MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUSES THAT GOT THEM UP TO 290 FEET, TWO 90.

SO NOW THEY'RE AT 1 65, 1 65.

AND AS THE ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED RIGHT NOW, THAT 1 65 THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY MIXED INCOME HOUSING, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO WRITE THE ORDINANCE SO THE HEIGHT WOULD BE TIED TO MIXED INCOME HOUSING THROUGH A BONUS? YES.

UM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE? I KNOW WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE, THE BELTLINE PIECE.

WHERE'S THE OTHER OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE? THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC OPEN SPACE ON THE SITE LOCATED, IT'S LOCATED TO THE SOUTH TOWARDS THE ALEXIS DRIVE PROPERTY AND THAT SHOULD BE WHERE THE TRAIL CONNECTION WILL BE.

AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON HOW IT HAD TO BE PROGRAMMED WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEDESTRIAN ELEMENTS.

WHAT ABOUT THE PROGRAMMING SURROUNDING IT? WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF, OF USES SURROUNDING EACH OPEN SPACE? SO AS RECENTLY SUBMITTED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A RETAIL OR OPEN, I'M SORRY, RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE USES ON ANY STRUCTURES THAT ARE FRONTING THOSE OPEN SPACES FOR 50% OF THE GROUND FLOOR AREA.

UM, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, I KNOW THAT IH SLASH SENIOR HOUSING PIECE, YOU KNOW, CAME IN LATER IN THE GAME HERE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE'S CLARITY ON, ON WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING HERE.

SO RIGHT NOW THE BASE IN THE PD WOULD BE 48.5 UNITS PER ACRE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO THAT WOULD EQUATE TO ROUGHLY 750 UNITS? YES.

AND THEN THEY COULD GET AN ADDITIONAL 7.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE BY DOING ONE OF TWO THINGS, RIGHT? YES.

AND ONE WOULD BE PROVIDING 116 SENIOR HOUSING UNITS, CORRECT? YES.

AND THE OTHER WOULD BE PROVIDING SOME FORM OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THEY COULD DO JUST SENIOR HOUSING TO GET A BONUS OR THEY COULD DO JUST MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO GET THAT 7.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE BUMP, OR THEY COULD DO BOTH TO GET A 15 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE BUMP, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

HAVE THAT NOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY SAVE THIS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THAT'S ON DENSITY WHERE THEY COULD GET THE BUMP BY DOING ONE OF TWO THINGS.

THEY'RE ALSO, ALSO IS A POSSIBILITY OF GETTING A BUMP ON ON FLOOR AREA RATIO, CORRECT? YES.

AND THEY CAN'T GET THAT BUMP ON FAR BY PROVIDING SENIOR HOUSING, CAN THEY? NO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THROUGH PROVIDING MIXED INCOME HOUSING.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS 5% AT 51 THROUGH 80, I'M SORRY, 51 THROUGH 60 MFI.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT THAT, AND IF YOU DON'T

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CAN YOU GIVE A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT THAT INCOME BAND EQUATES TO AND AN ANNUAL INCOME FOR A FAMILY OF ONE OR A FAMILY OF FOUR? I WILL LOOK AT THAT.

LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT AT THE HEARING.

UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR YOU, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION ON THIS AND ALL OF YOUR, YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS CASE, MS. VOZ.

UM, MR. NAVARRA IS JUST A, A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

UM, WE'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL EMAILS SAYING THAT THE PRECEDENT BELTLINE INTERSECTION IS EITHER THE MOST DANGEROUS OR ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT ASSERTION BEING MADE? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS? YES.

I, THAT IS ON MY UNDERSTANDING THERE.

I ATTENDED PUBLIC NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UM, AS WELL AND, AND I HEARD THE COMMENT, WE CAME BACK TO THE OFFICE, WE ASKED OUR OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DEPARTMENT CALLED DATA ANALYTICS AND THEY, UH, RAN NUMBERS AND HELPING US UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT INDEED THIS INTERSECTION WAS AS DANGEROUS AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO BE.

THE COMMENT OBVIOUSLY CAUGHT OUR ATTENTION, THE RESULTS OF THE ANALYSIS, WHICH WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMISSION.

BELTLINE AND PRESTON REPORTED 117 CRASHES FROM 2016 THROUGH 2023.

IT DID NOT, UM, WAS, IT WAS NOT LISTED UNDER THE 100 INTERSECTIONS BY VOLUME, UM, RANGING, UH, UP TO 517 CRASHES OVER THE SAME PERIOD.

SO THIS INTERSECTION DID NOT MAKE THE CUT TO BE WITHIN THE TOP 100.

MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WOULD DEFINE, UM, THE CONCLUSION THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US IS BELTLINE AND PRESTON IS NOT ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN DALLAS.

UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FAIRLY OPEN-ENDED, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT, AT ZONING CASES AND THE TRAFFIC THAT THEY GENERATE, UH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES, NOT JUST WHAT'S PROPOSED UNDER THE ZONING CASE VERSUS NOTHING HAPPENING UNDER THE PROPERTY.

IS THAT FAIR? YES, SIR.

THAT'S, SO RIGHT NOW THIS IS ZONED COMMUNITY RETAIL, COMMUNITY RETAIL AND HAS SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS BEYOND WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE SITE IN TERMS OF, OF RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY ASSESSMENT OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF COMMUNITY RETAIL FULLY BUILT OUT VERSUS THE PROPOSED MIXED USE ON THE SITE? SO WE, WE, WE REVIEWED A TRAFFIC STUDY OF A FEW REVISIONS OF THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN IT.

UH, THE ANALYSIS DID INCLUDE, IT DIDN'T INCLUDE AN EVALUATION, BUT IT POINTED OUT THAT, UM, IF DEVELOPED BY THE AMOUNT, UH, ALLOWED BY RIGHT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GENERATE S OR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT GENERATES 76% LESS TRAFFIC THAN WHAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIDE BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

UNDER THE EXISTING COMMUNITY RETAIL.

UH, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.

THE ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT GENERATES OR WILL GENERATE 76% LESS TRAFFIC THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY.

THEN IT WOULD GENERATE IF ALLOWED BY, IF BUILT BY WHAT IS ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.

IT, IT, IT, BY THE WAY, WHEN WAS THAT TRAFFIC STUDY PERFORMED? REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, SIR.

WHEN? YEAH, ROUGHLY WHEN? OH, WELL, UM, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DATES, BUT THEY HAVE, OH, ACTUALLY, NEVERMIND, I'LL GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR THIS.

THEY DID SHOW THAT THE ANALYSIS WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN 2021 REVISED, UH, UPON, UH, FIRST REVIEW IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

A SECOND UPDATED SUBMISSION WAS SUBMITTED TO STAFF IN 2023.

A THIRD SUBMISSION WAS LATER RECEIVED, UH, IN OUR OFFICE ON MARCH OF 2024.

SO THERE, THERE WERE FOUR FORMAL SUBMITTALS, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE SUBMITTALS MARCH OF OF 2024.

UM, DOES THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REFLECT THE FACT THAT THE DENSE MAX DENSITY'S BEEN DROPPED FROM 1550 TO A, A SHADE UNDER A THOUSAND? OKAY.

NO SIR, IT DOES NOT.

SO THEORETICALLY THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT COULD BE EVEN LESS THAN UNDER WHAT'S IN THERE.

INDEED.

AND

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WE, WE, THEY OWE US ONE MORE, ONE MORE REVISION.

YOU, COMMISSIONER HALL, UH, MS. MUNOZ, YOU SAID, UM, YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT RETIREMENT HOUSING WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE AFFORDABLE.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RETIREMENT, HOUSING AND MIXED INCOME? UH, HOUSING? SO RETIREMENT HOUSING DOESN'T HAVE ANY INCOME REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S NOT A, A FORM OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT'S JUST A VARIETY OF STANDARD HOUSING.

AND SO IT'S JUST AN AGE LIMIT THAT'S PLACED ON THE HOUSING, UM, PRODUCT.

SO AS FAR AS AFFORDABILITY GOES, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIXED INCOME HOUSING, THERE ARE, UH, INCOME LIMITS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNITS ARE CARVED OUT AND ALLOWED FOR THOSE WHO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS NOT DONE FOR RETIREMENT HOUSING, SO THERE'S NO AFFORDABILITY BUILT INTO THE REQUIREMENT.

SO RETIREMENT HOUSING COULD BE, YOU COULD SPECIFY 55 PLUS OR 65 PLUS.

ACCORDING TO OUR CODE, I THINK IT SAYS 55 PLUS 55 PLUS.

THIS WOULD NOT BE ASSISTED LIVING OR NO, THIS, I I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU WOULD CALL IT INDEPENDENT LIVING.

I GUESS YOU WOULD JUST CALL IT RETIREMENT HOUSING.

OUR CODE DOESN'T REALLY SPECIFY THAT IT WOULD BE CALLED ASSISTED LIVING.

THAT'S DIFFERENT.

AND BECAUSE IT'S CALLED RETIREMENT HOUSING AND NOT ASSISTED OR, OR SKILLED NURSING, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY EXTRA PERMITTING OR CHANGES.

UH, YOU CAN JUST SAY IT'S 55 PLUS AND IT'S BASICALLY MARKET RATES.

YEP.

THERE'S NO CONTROL THAT'S BAKED INTO IT'S FOR AFFORDABILITY.

SO THAT'S WHY I MAKE THAT COMMENT.

UH, THANK YOU.

CERTAINLY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON BACK TO TRAFFIC, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT EVERYBODY IS, UM, HARPING ON IN LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVEN USING THE NUMBERS WITH A HIGHER DENSITY, THAT THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS ABOUT HALF OF WHAT IS BEING GENERATED UNDER ITS CURRENT USE.

IS THAT CORRECT? UM, MA'AM, I, I I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK, UH, NUMBERS TO, YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE HALF OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY GENERATED? YEAH.

SO, OR, OR ENTITLED, UH, LET, I'M GONNA GET TO THAT.

LET ME, I'M GONNA ASK YOU THIS AT THE HEARING.

SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS ROUGHLY HALF WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING GENERATED AND ABOUT A FOURTH OF WHAT COULD BE GENERATED IF THE CURRENT ZONING WAS BUILT OUT TO WHAT'S FULLY ENTITLED.

IF THAT'S THE ASSERTION FROM THE, FROM THE ANALYSIS.

UM, I'D LIKE TO DIG MORE INTO IT.

I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE COMING FROM AN EVALUATION OF THE STUDY OR, OR THE STUDY OF, OF THE, THE REPORT.

UM, I'D LIKE TO LOOK INTO IT, MA'AM.

AND, UM, THAT PERSPECTIVE MAKES ME WANNA LOOK INTO THEIR NUMBERS.

YEAH, BECAUSE I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M GIVING THIS TO YOU NOW.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I CAN, I, WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE INTO IT, TAKE, TAKE A LOOK INTO IT RIGHT AWAY AND COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER DURING THE, DURING THE HEARING AND, AND IF I'VE NOT LOOKED AT IT CORRECTLY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME.

I YEAH, THANK YOU.

I WON'T HOLD, I WON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST YOU.

AND IT JUST SEEMS TO BE UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED ON MF TWO DISTRICT.

NO, WE, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE GIVE YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT.

SHE WITH, WITH THE REDUCTION AND MS. M MUNOZ WITH THE REDUCTION IN THE UNIT COUNTS, UH, IN THE DENSITY, WAS THERE REDUCTION IN PUBLIC SPACE, UH, ALLOCATION AND REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC SPACE AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, UH, AND JUST AMENITIES SPACE IN GENERAL? NO, THERE WAS NOT.

SO WE'RE SEEING THE SAME BENEFITS.

THE ONLY BENEFIT PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT CHANGED WAS OF COURSE THE AVAILABILITY OF UNITS AND THE AFFORDABLE UNIT ASPECT.

COMMISSIONER FORESI, PLEASE, ON YOUR, UM, UH, PRESENTATION, THE UNDEVELOPED AREA THAT'S SOUTH OF ALEXIS, COULD YOU, UH, MENTION WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED THERE? IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE SITE SLIDE WHERE YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OF ALEXIS, IT'S, IT IS RIGHT NOW A GREEN SPACE AREA AND THAT'S NOT A PART OF THE AREA OF REQUEST

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SO IT'S FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

IS IT NOT CORRECT THAT THERE IS A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT GOING IN THERE TOO? THAT ADDS TO THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN COMMISSIONER SLEEPER TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NORTHWEST, UH, AT DEL NORTE.

UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S ALSO A, A NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF ALEXIS, IS THAT CORRECT? I I DO NOT KNOW.

UM, AT THIS TIME IT IS ENTITLED FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S THE ZONING THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED THERE.

SO THEN I, I, I GUESS THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVEN'T REALLY FACTORED IN THE ALL, ALL THE ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, DENSITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN, IN ADDITION TO THE DENSITY WITH THE, WITH THE PEPPER SQUARE DEVELOPMENT.

THE TRAFFIC STUDY INCLUDED, UM, I HAD IT OPEN RIGHT THERE.

UH, SOUTH DID SOUTH, YEAH.

MM-HMM, , THE TAUNT DEVELOPMENT WITH IT'S HIGH NUMBER.

IF, IF YOU ALLOW ME A FEW SECONDS, UM, I HAD IT HIGHLIGHTED, I MOVED AWAY FROM IT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT INCLUDED, UH, UH, THE BOTH THE TERRA CAP INCLUDE IS INCLUDED THERE WITH 1,120 HIGH-RISE, MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, UH, PLUS SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS, AND THEN ALSO THE ALEXIS TTI WITH 101,268 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS.

WHAT'S THIS ONE TO THE SOUTH THAT IS FOR ANTE? LEXUS IS TO THE SOUTH WITH A MIX OF TOWN HOMES, APARTMENTS, AND THEN THE TERRA CAPITAL MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTHWEST, WHICH IS BOTH ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE, IN THEIR STUDY.

SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBER, UH, UNIT NUMBERS AGAIN, FOR THOSE, UH, ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES? THE STUDY ASSUMED OR INCLUDED A BACKGROUND TRAFFIC CONDITION WITH TERRA CAP MULTIFAMILY WITH 900 MULTIFAMILY MID-RISE.

I'M APPROX, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY, I'LL GIVE YOU EXACT NUMBERS FROM THE REPORT.

912 MID-RISE DWELLING UNITS AND 1,120 HIGH-RISE DWELLING UNITS IN ADDITION TO 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF SHOPPING CENT OR GROCERY, UH, RETAIL STORES AND 16,000 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT.

THOSE NUMBERS OBVIOUSLY ARE APPROXIMATED SINCE THEY'RE NOT BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.

UM, IT ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THAT IT'S REPLACING 353 EXISTING DWELLING UNITS.

THERE'S A, AND THEN, UM, A MATH AND, AND THEN ALSO THE ALEXIS TTI IS INCLUDED WITH 1,268 DWELLING UNITS.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT BASICALLY THERE'S ABOUT 2000 ADDITIONAL, UH, UNITS IN THE AREA IN ADDITION TO THE 1000 THAT'S BEING YES, SIR.

THAT ARE ALREADY PERMITTED BY, OKAY.

UM, TO, UH, JENNIFER, UH, WITH THE REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, FROM 1,550 TO UH, 968, I THINK, UM, WHERE WILL THAT REDUCTION BE? WILL IT BE IN PHASE ONE OR PHASE P OR PHASE N? IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE DENSITY PER PHASE, IT'S THE OVERALL PROJECT.

SO, UM, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THEN THERE'S NO REDUCTION IN THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF ANY OF THE STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR INSTANCE IN PHASE B, THE 12 STORY STRUCTURE WILL STILL REMAIN 1212 STORIES.

AND, UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, WITH THE PD THERE ARE PROHIBITED USES.

W WOULD YOU, UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE? IT'S THE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT THEY'VE NOW PROHIBITED CLEARLY.

AND, UH, LET ME SEE, WHAT WERE THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES? I'M CURIOUS.

IT IS GAS DRILLING AND PRODUCTION.

TEMPORARY CONCRETE, CONCRETE OR ASPHALT BATCHING PLANT .

ALRIGHT, THA THANK YOU.

ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP TO A COUPLE OF THE, THE QUESTIONS BEFORE, UH, MS. MUNOZ, IN TERMS OF THE, THE RETIREMENT HOUSING PIECE.

UH, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE SEEN SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE AGE RESTRICTED AND INCOME RESTRICTED.

WE HAVE SEEN SOME THAT ARE JUST INCOME

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RESTRICTED.

WHAT, WHAT THIS, UH, APPLICATION THOUGH IS, IS PROPOSING IS JUST AN AGE RESTRICTION, WHICH IS A, THIS PERCENT WOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR FOLKS AT A CERTAIN AGE, UH, TO GUARANTEE THAT THOSE UNITS ARE SET ASIDE FOR FOLKS IN THAT AGE GROUP, CORRECT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT INCOME RESTRICTED AND AGE RESTRICTED.

JUST AGE RESTRICTED.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UH, DAVID, JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONVERSATION YOU JUST HAD WITH COMMISSIONER FORESIGHT, THE, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TOOK INTO ACCOUNT OR DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE POTENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS WITHIN THE, THE AREA OF STUDY.

IT DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, IT DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, IT DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, BUT, UH, BUT IT ALSO TOOK INTO ACCOUNT A, A PREVIOUS DENSITY NUMBER FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, NOT THE NEW REDUCED NUMBER, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 45, 50% LESS.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A REVISED REPORT TO REFLECT THE LATEST PROPOSED, UH, DWELL, UM, DENSITY.

YES, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

JUST A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING SOME OF THE PROVISIONS REALLY RELATED TO BUILDING FORM AND THE DIFFERENT PHASING.

SO I SEE THAT WE'VE GOT 75 FOOT FIVE STORIES.

UM, I'M GONNA SAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, WE'VE GOT THE FACE P 165, UH, FEET BASE, 12 STORIES, ALL SUBJECT TO RPS.

IT SAYS THAT PHASE ONE DOES NOT HAVE URBAN FORM, IS IT CORRECT THAT URBAN FORM SETBACK APPLIES TO THE OTHER TWO PROJECT PHASES? SO IT WOULD BE N AND P? NO, IT ONLY APPLIES TO PHASE ONE.

IT ONLY, OKAY, I'VE READ THAT OPPOSITE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS ON TOWER SPACING.

TOWER SPACING APPLIES TO NONE OF THE AREAS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE FIVE STORY, THE 12, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING LAYOUT, SO WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN.

IT DEFINES THE AREAS.

IS THERE ANY EVALUATION BY STAFF ON HOW THE TOWER, TOWER SPACING TYPICALLY IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S LIGHT, THERE'S AIR, THERE'S VIEW IN BETWEEN? IS THAT PROVISION CAPTURED ANYWHERE ELSE? I SAW BUILDING ARTICULATION, I SAW SOME OTHER LANGUAGE, BUT NOTHING THAT REALLY SPOKE TO MANAGING THE SIZE OF THE TALLER BUILDINGS THAT SEEM TO BE ANTICIPATED HERE.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST SPECIFIC TO THE DESIGN FEATURES THAT WERE, UM, BUILT INTO THE STANDARDS FOR THE BUILDING ARTICULATION, LIKE YOU NOTED.

SO WE'VE REALLY JUST IN THE SETBACKS ARE DEFINED THE HEIGHT, THE FAR, BUT IT'S REALLY THE FAR IS IS THE CAP, HOW THEY THINK ABOUT ARRANGING IT ON THE SITE.

THERE'S NO REAL LANGUAGE THAT SPEAKS TO THAT.

OTHER THAN RPS.

UM, AND THEN THE DESIGN STANDARDS ON THE FACADE, I THINK I SAW BUILDING ARTICULATION.

IS THAT THE ONLY COMPONENT THAT'S CURRENTLY CONSIDERED? WELL, AND I SHOULD SAY I DID SEE THAT THERE'S, UM, INTERNAL SIDEWALKS I THINK TRYING TO, UM, INDICATE AN INTERNAL CIRCULATION PATTERN BOTH FOR INTERNAL STREETS, PERIMETER, PUBLIC STREETS, BUT THE BUILDING FORM OTHER THAN SPEAKING TO BUILDING ARTICULATION, AND THEN THERE'S LANGUAGE TALKING ABOUT ENTRIES AND REQUIRED FRONTAGE ON THE OPEN SPACE OF 50%.

YEP.

THAT PRETTY, THOSE ARE REALLY THE, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

AND THEN THE LANGUAGE ON DESIGN STANDARDS, SPEAKING ABOUT ENTRIES DOESN'T LIMIT IT SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT WHEN YOU READ WITHIN THE PROVISIONS, IT REFERENCES UNITS, IT REFERENCES, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO BE LEANING TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.

COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW THAT WOULD APPLY TO THE OTHER USES THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN AN MU TWO? IT DOES SPECIFY THAT IT'S FOR STREET LEVEL DWELLING UNITS ADJACENT TO STREET OR INTERNAL PRIMARY DRIVES IN EACH BUILDING.

SO UNDER A, IT SIMPLY SAYS NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE FOLLOWING DESIGN STANDARDS APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.

OTHER ALLOWED USES? AS FAR AS, YOU MEAN ENTRIES GO CORRECT OR STREET FACING FACADES AND HOW THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALL THE LANGUAGE, I'LL APOLOGIZE.

, SO THAT'S FOR THE FRONTAGES PROVISION, BUT FOR INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES IT'S THE DWELLING UNITS.

SO ARE THERE ANY DESIGN STANDARDS RELATED TO OTHER USES?

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WHEN I READ THIS, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS APPLYING TO EVERYTHING AND THEN I STARTED TO SEE THE REFERENCE TO UNITS.

AND SO THEN I WASN'T CLEAR WHAT THE INTENT WAS FOR OTHER USES.

SO IT ON A, FOR FRONTAGES, IT JUST HAS THAT THE, ALL THE FACADES THAT ARE FACING THOSE DRIVEWAYS AND OPEN SPACES MUST HAVE AT LEAST ONE COMMON PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND THEN THAT, THAT ENTRANCE MUST BE CONNECTED BY AN IMPROVED PATH CONNECTING TO THE SIDEWALK.

IT ALSO HAS A TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT.

UM, A TRANSPARENT SURFACE IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY 25 LINEAR FEET OF CONTINUOUS STREET FRONTING FACADE, INCLUDING THE INTERNAL PRIMARY DRIVE AND OPEN SPACE FRONTING FACADES.

SO THE FRONTAGES PROVISIONS, SO A ONE A APPLIES TO ALL USES A ONE B INDIVIDUALLY? YES.

ENTRY E IS ONLY RELATIVE DWELLING RELATIVE TO DWELLING UNITS? CORRECT.

AND THEN WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UM, HOW THE OPEN SPACE IS ORGANIZED WITHIN THE SITE? UM, I SAW THE PROVISION ABOUT 50% OF THE, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S A MINIMUM REQUIRED RETAIL AND PER PERSONAL SERVICE USES THE 35,000 AND THEN 50% OF THE FRONTAGE, I THINK IT WAS AT THE GROUND LEVEL ON OPEN SPACE.

MUST BE PERSONAL SERVICE USE? YES.

BUT NOT DISTRIBUTING ADDITIONAL, UM, EITHER OPEN SPACE OR POCKETS WITHIN THE AREA.

IT'S JUST THE TWO ZONES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO THOSE AGGREGATE AREAS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A GREATER USABLE SPACE FOR NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS ON SITE, BUT THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS WELL.

MS. MUNOZ, THE, UM, TRAIL SYSTEM LANGUAGE THAT'S HERE.

DOES THIS REFLECT A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF? OR IS THIS WHICH OF WHICH, OR I SAY IT SAYS IT'S PENDING FINAL LANGUAGE WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE AN EXISTING SECTION AND THEN A POSSIBLE LANGUAGE FOR CONSIDERATION ARE, IS THIS STILL IN FLUX OR? IT IS.

SO THE APPLICANT'S LANGUAGE IS THE EXISTING LANGUAGE.

AND ULTIMATELY YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY LAID OUT ON THE CONNECTION BEING BASICALLY FUNDED BY THE CITY, AND THEN THE CITY WOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE AREAS EVEN THROUGHOUT THE SITE ITSELF, THE AREA OF REQUEST.

AND FOR THAT REASON, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS THAT STAFF WOULD PREFER TO SEE THERE, ESPECIALLY OUR ATTORNEYS AND .

SO AT THIS TIME, IT STILL IS IN FLUX AS YOU MENTIONED.

AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I DID ASK THE REPRESENTATIVE TO LOOK AT AND THEN MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHAT THEY COULD AGREE TO.

AND I THINK THAT HOPEFULLY WE COULD GET AN ANSWER FOR THEM TODAY.

SO AT, AT THIS POINT, THE POSSIBLE LANGUAGE FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO FURTHER REVISION WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE CORRECT LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

UM, MOVING ON, UH, REFERENCING STAFF'S OBJECTION TO THE PROVISION THAT SAYS THERE COULD BE TWO DETACHED SIGNS PER STREET FRONTAGE.

UH, AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THAT STAFF'S REASON FOR DISAGREEING WITH THAT IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS SITE COULD BE SUBDIVIDED INTO A LOT OF OTHER SMALLER LOTS IN THE FUTURE AND THEREFORE THAT WOULD OPEN THAT UP TO A PLETHORA OF SIGNS OR, OR, OR STAFF OBJECTING TO AT THIS POINT? YOU KNOW, THE, THE BROAD SWATH OF PRESTON AND BELTLINE THAT THEY THINK TWO DETACHED SIGNS PER THOSE EXISTING STREET FRONTAGES IS EXCESSIVE.

IT'S PER STREET FRONTAGE, BUT IT'S ALSO PER, UM, BUILD SITE.

SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S APPLIED AND RATHER THAN LEAVE THAT UP IN THE AIR FOR HOW IT'S APPLIED OR FOR FUTURE SUBDIVISION, UM, TO REALIZE HOW THAT AFFECTS THEM BASED ON THIS PROVISION, I WOULD SAY STAFF IS INCLINED TO INSTEAD LEAVE THEM AT WHAT'S CURRENTLY PERMITTED.

I'M, I'M NOT QUITE FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BUILDING SITE EQUALS STREET FRONTAGE.

IS THAT IT? IT DOESN'T SAY THAT, BUT IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AT, AT PERMITTING? UM, RIGHT.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS PER STREET FRONTAGE MM-HMM.

INDIVIDUAL BUILD SITES EACH HAVE THEIR OWN STREET FRONTAGE.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE TOTALITY OF THE PD.

GOING ON THE RETIREMENT, UM, UNIT PIECE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, I KNOW THIS IS AGE RESTRICTED, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, UH, VIA THE PD TO WRITE A, UM, INCOME RESTRICTION INTO THE REQUIREMENT? I, I DO BELIEVE SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO TALK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT.

WHEN IT'S APPLIED, UH,

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AND THEN LASTLY, UM, WITH THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, I UNDERSTAND YOUR, UM, POINT THAT FIVE REQUIRING FIVE ITEMS OFF OF THIS LIST IS, UM, IN STAFF'S OPINION TOO MINIMAL, UH, A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE I MEAN, AS I'M LOOKING AT IT, FOUR OF THE FIVE COULD BE MET WITH BENCH BIKE RACK, TRASH CAN AND A BINDING SIGN.

SO, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE ADDITIONAL AT LEAST? YES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CAN I JUST CHIME IN THAT RETIREMENT HOUSING IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM IF IT'S WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S WRITTEN AT THIS TIME, BUT IT, IT IS ELIGIBLE, IT'S ONE OF THE TWO USES THAT CAN UTILIZE IT IF WRITTEN SUCH.

THANK YOU, MICHAEL, VICE .

YEAH, THANK YOU.

UM, A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES HAD GREAT QUESTIONS.

AND, AND FOR YOU, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON THE TOWER SPACING.

IN AN URBAN FORM SETBACK, JUST TO BE CLEAR, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A BOX CONDITION IN THE DOCKET ON THOSE TWO ISSUES, RIGHT? THERE'S NO DISAGREEMENT? NO.

UM, ONE CLARIFICATION ON THE TRAIL CONNECTION LANGUAGE IS THE APPLICANT'S, ALTHOUGH WE GOT, YOU KNOW, REVISED CONDITIONS SUBMITTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, REVISING SEVERAL PIECES, THAT TRAIL CONNECTION LANGUAGE HAS BEEN IN THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL FOR A WHILE NOW, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THE STAFF ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE WAS JUST RECENTLY ADDED ON THAT PIECE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND FINALLY, ONE MORE FOR, UM, MR. NAVAREZ.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. NAVAREZ.

I KNOW LIKE MS. MUNOZ, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A VERY BUSY GUY, SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN HERE, UM, TO HELP OUT AND PROVIDE US SOME INFORMATION ON THIS ONE.

UH, ONE THING THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE, UM, EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT IS THE SIGNALIZATION OF BURIED TRAIL, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT'S TIA ACKNOWLEDGES THAT, THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, PROJECT IF DEVELOPED WOULD REQUIRE BERRY TRAIL TO BE SIGNALED FROM A NEEDS BASIS, RIGHT? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, SIR? THE ANSWER? YES.

IT'S NOT VERY WELL, WELL ARTICULATED.

UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZES THAT IF THIS THING GETS BUILT OUT, BARRY BERRY TRAIL WOULD LIKELY NEED TO BE SIGNALED, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN FACT RECOGNIZES THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE TODAY, THE SIGNAL HAS BEEN ADDED TO OUR NEEDS INVENTORY, WHICH MEANS IT TAKES TIME TO GET AT IT INTO A LIST OF DOZENS.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT I THINK 120 INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE NEEDING TO BE UPGRADED.

WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT AND OR ANY WORK BEING DONE AT THIS DRIVEWAY, THE SIGNAL WOULD BE EXPEDITED.

THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE DEVELOPER WOULD ALSO BE NEEDED TO BE ASSESSED IN ORDER TO INCLUDE THE IMPROVEMENT WITH THEIR PROJECT.

AND IS THERE A WAY TO BAKE THE SIGNALIZATION OF THE BERRY TRAIL BELT LINE INTERSECTION AND THE DEVELOPER'S CONTRIBUTION TO THAT SIGNALIZATION INTO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE? Y YES, SIR.

THE, THE, AS MANY OTHER PDS, THE AND, UH, CONDITION COULD BE ADDED INTO THE PD THAT THE INSTALLATION, THE ASSESSMENT AND THE INSTALLATION WAS WE COMPLETED BEFORE EITHER A BUILDING PERMIT OR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

PERSONALLY, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, CEO IS THE VERY LAST POINT OF OUR REVIEW, HAVING THIS BROUGHT UP TO THE VERY LAST MINUTE, IT'S ALWAYS PROBLEMATIC.

THERE HAVE BEEN CASES WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, WE BRING THIS UP TO THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER SAYS, WELL, IT SAYS UNTIL THE CEO AND HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, IT CAUSES PROBLEM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF IMPOSED ON THE CONDITIONS, THAT IT WOULD BE A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND SO THAT IT ALLOWS US TIME TO, UM, CALCULATE THE ASSESSMENT AND ENTER, ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH A DEVELOPER AS TO WHAT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AND THE DEVELOPER AS WELL.

COMMISSIONER HALL, SECOND ROUND.

UH, UH, MS. MUNOZ, UH,

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A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE, I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLARIFIED THERE.

THE SPECIFIES 35,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.

THAT'S A REQUIREMENT AT MINIMUM, AND I BELIEVE IT ALSO SPECIFIES 90,000 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY ALSO SAYS THERE WOULD BE ACTUALLY TWO SIGNALS, UH, REQUIRED.

IS THERE ONE ON PRESTON AS WELL AS BELTLINE Y? YES, SIR.

UH, THERE'S ALSO A NEED THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE ALEXIS TANTE.

THERE WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE UPGRADES, UH, FOR PEDESTRIAN DETECTION AT THE INTERSECTION OF BELTLINE AND PRESTON.

UM, THOSE WILL NEED TO BE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY WITH THE CO WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, NCT CALL AND SEEING WHAT UPGRADES ARE BEING PLANNED OUT FOR THIS QUARTER IN MAKING SURE THAT EITHER THERE IS A TEMPORARY UPGRADE OR, UM, A, A CONTRIBUTION INTO THAT PROJECT.

AND SO, THREE, IF I MAY CORRECT, AND MORE THAN JUST PUTTING UP A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THIS WOULD BE IMPROVEMENT OF FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WHEN WE, WHEN WE THINK OF ANY UPGRADES IN THE PUBLIC INFRA, UH, OF, AS A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, PEDESTRIANS ARE THE FIRST, UH, FACTOR IN OUR EVALUATION OF THE DESIGN.

SO THE CONCEPT WOULD BE NOT ONLY TO CALM THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON THESE TWO MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, BUT TO IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, AADA COMPLIANCE, ACCESS TO THE SITES BASED ON A DA COMPLIANCE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, I THINK THAT CONCLUDES OUR, OUR, UH, OUR BRIEFING TODAY.

UM, WE DO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WE WILL GO INTO.

PROBABLY WE'LL BEGIN THE HEARING WITH THAT.

UH, AND THEN ALSO JUST TO TAKE A QUICK STEP BACK ON THIS, ON THIS CASE, UH, WE WILL TAKE UP THE, THE QUESTION ON THE POSING THE POSTING OF THE SIGNS AND IF IT COMPLIES WITH SECTION 1.106 FIRST BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MERITS OF THE CASE.

UH, AND WHEN THAT COMMISSIONER'S IT IS 1214.

UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE BRIEFING OF THAT PLAN COMMISSION.

ENJOY YOUR LUNCH.

WE'LL BE BACK ONLINE AT 1230.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

MS. LOPEZ, CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH A ROLL CALL?

[CALL TO ORDER]

DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SCHOCK.

PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

PRESENT DISTRICT, DISTRICT THREE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH PRESENT, DISTRICT FIVE.

CHAIR SHADI PRESENT, DISTRICT SIX.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER PRI, DISTRICT SEVEN.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN.

DISTRICT EIGHT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR? HERE.

DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

PRESENT? DISTRICT 11.

COMMISSIONER EBLER.

PRESENT DISTRICT 12.

COMMISSIONER HAWK DISTRICT 13.

COMMISSIONER HALL PRESENT DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HERE AND PLACE 15 VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I'M HERE.

YOU HAVE QUORUM, SIR.

THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, AUGUST 8TH AT 12:50 PM COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE HEARING.

UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES, UH, TO SPEAK AND IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.

UH, ALL RULES ALSO ALLOW US TO ADJUST THE SPEAKING TIME PER CASE AND WE WILL BE DOING THAT TODAY.

UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH SO MANY PEOPLE HERE TODAY FOR THE PEPPER SCORE CASE.

WE'LL GO TO, TO ONE MINUTE ON THAT CASE.

ALSO, WE DO HAVE THESE, THESE LITTLE YELLOW SHEETS DOWN HERE AT THIS TABLE AT, AT SOME POINT TODAY AT, UH, YOUR CONVENIENCE.

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO FILL ONE OF THESE OUT.

SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.

UH, AND WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE'RE GONNA START OUT ACTUALLY WITH THE LAST ITEM, UH, NOT TECHNICALLY THE LAST ITEM, BUT WITH ITEM NUMBER 20,

[20. 24-2386 Consideration of amending Chapters 51 and 51A of the Dallas Development Code, Section 51-4.208 “Recreation and Entertainment Uses”, Section 51A-4.208 “Recreation Uses”, and related sections with consideration to be given to defining a use, “private game club”, and establishing appropriate zoning districts and development standards associated with the use.]

UH,

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UH, WE WILL START OUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MS. GILLIS IN THE O OPEN SESSION BEFORE WE GO TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND, UH, SPEAK WITH THE ATTORNEYS ABOUT THIS ITEM AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND BEGIN AT THE TOP OF THE DOCKET.

LET'S THE FIRST, NEXT ONE, COMMISSIONERS, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND IS RECUSING STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER, IN FACT HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER.

CAN WE READ THIS INTO THE RECORD FIRST AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY SPEAKERS PLEASE? SURE.

UM, CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING CHAPTERS 51 AND 51 A OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 51 DASH 4.208, RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT USES SECTION 51 A DASH 4.208 RECREATION USES AND RELATED SECTIONS WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO DEFINING A USE PRIVATE GAME CLUB AND ESTABLISHING APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICTS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE.

WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE M 2 3 4 0 0 2.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE.

COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GILLS BEFORE WE GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION? OKAY THEN, UH, IT IS NOW 12:53 PM THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION WILL NOW GO TO, INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20, DCA 2 0 1 0 1 AS AUTHORIZED BY SECTION 55 5 1 0.07.

ONE OF THE TEXANS OPENS MEETINGS ACT COMMISSIONERS WILL STEP BACK TO THE BRIEFING ROOM COMMISSIONERS.

IT IS 1 24, UH, AND THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION HAS RETURNED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THIS ITEM? AND WE WILL, WE WILL TAKE IT BACK UP FOR A MOTION AT THE REGULAR ORDER OF THE, OF THE AGENDA.

SO WE WILL COME BACK TO THIS ITEM TO MAKE A, A MOTION AND ALSO HAVE A, A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS FOR, FOR STAFF.

UH, BUT WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA HEAD RIGHT BACK INTO THE AGENDA RIGHT IN ORDER BEGINNING

[1. 24-2366 An application for a minor amendment to an existing development and landscape plan on property zoned Planned Development District No. 501, on the south line of Stults Road, between Woodshore Drive and Clearwater Drive]

LET'S GET THAT RIGHT INTO THE RECORD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

ITEM NUMBER ONE M 2 3 4 DASH 0 0 2 APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON A PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 0 1 ON THE SOUTH LINE OF STT ROAD BETWEEN WOOD SHORE DRIVE AND CLEARWATER DRIVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. BLUE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YOU NONE.

COMMISSIONER HOUSER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF M 2 34 DASH 0 0 2, I MOVE APPROVAL.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION SEEING YOU? NONE.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

BEGIN WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS WHICH CONSISTS OF CASES 3, 4, 5, AND SIX, PARDON ME.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE NOW MOVING ON TO OUR ZONING CASES.

UH, WE'LL

[Zoning Cases - Consent]

2, 3, 4, AND FIVE.

TWO AND THREE HAVE COME OFF CONSENT.

IT WILL BE VOTED ON AND DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY.

THAT LEAVES CASE CASES FOUR AND FIVE THAT WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON EITHER OF THOSE TWO CASES AND THEN IT WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.

SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO BE HEARD ON ITEMS FOUR OR FIVE? THAT WOULD BE CASE Z 2 3 4, 2 16 AND Z 2 3 4 2 21.

THAT WOULD BE PAGE TWO AND THREE.

ANYONE WANT TO BE HEARD ON CASES FOUR OR FIVE? OKAY, WE'LL GET THOSE RIGHT IN PLEASE.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 216 AND APPLICATION FOR AN R SEVEN 50.

A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF OAKWOOD DRIVE, WEST OF HAYMARKET ROAD.

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THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CASE Z, 2 34 DASH 2 21.

AND APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 1 1 8 FOR VEHICLE DISPLAY SALES AND SERVICE ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 34, THE CF HA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT NUMBER TWO WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF CF HA FREEWAY, EAST OF MURDOCH ROAD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

UH, AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THOSE TWO ITEMS? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? CASE FOUR AND FIVE.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

UM, IN THE MATTERS OF CASE NUMBER Z 2 3 4 216 AND 2 3 4, NO.

TWO EXCUSE, YEAH, TWO, UH, 2, 3, 4, 2, 2, 1.

I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS READ INTO THE RECORDS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

A OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

[2. 24-2367 An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District on property zoned an IR Industrial/Research District, on the south line of West Commerce Street, between Sylvan Avenue and North Edgefield Avenue.]

BACK TO CASE NUMBER TWO.

ITEM TWO, CASE C 2 3 4 DASH 34.

AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AND IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WEST COMMERCE.

STREET BETWEEN SYLVAN AVENUE AND NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, TOP OF PAGE TWO.

MR. HELMS, THOUGH WE HAVE SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS ONLINE ON THIS ITEM, DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF 'EM ARE ONLINE? MR. MYERS, MS. BALL MERIDIAN, AND, UH, MR. KUSHNER MYERS IS ON.

OKAY, SPENCER MYERS, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

AFTERNOON.

I'M A RESIDENT OF CLIFF CLIFFTOP LANE, WHICH IS, UH, TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPOSED REZONING AREA, UH, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE AERIAL MAP, UH, PROVIDED IS THAT THERE IS A TREE FILLED AREA, UH, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH LINE OF THIS PROPERTY ON COMMERCE STREET.

UH, THAT TREE FILLED AREA IS ACTUALLY A HILL.

UH, THAT HILL IS MORE THAN 50 VERTICAL FEET, UH, FROM THE SLAB, UH, ON THE COMMERCE STREET PROPERTY UP TO WHERE OUR HOMES ARE.

AND, UH, RECENTLY AN ACUTE EROSION, UH, EVENT OCCURRED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD JUST A HUNDRED YARDS TO THE WEST OF THIS IN THE ADJOINING PROPERTY ON COMMERCE STREET.

UH, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF DIGGING SOMEONE DID AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS HILLSIDE, UH, AT THAT PROPERTY, UH, THE BACKYARDS OF SEVERAL OF THE HOMES IN OUR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOW GONE, UH, AND THE HOMES FOUNDATIONS ARE AT RISK, UH, FROM EXTREME DAMAGE, UH, DUE TO THIS EROSION.

SO WITH THE PRO PROPOSED REZONING PLAN, WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THIS DIGGING MAY OCCUR AGAIN, UH, WITHOUT PROPER, UH, SOIL STUDY, WITHOUT IMMEDIATE REMEDIATION OF ANY, UH, LEVELING, UH, OF THAT, UH, ZONE.

SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST BRINGING THIS UP AS, AS A CONCERN GIVEN THE ONGOING EROSION ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY FOR DALLAS.

UH, GIVEN THAT THIS IS A HILL THAT IS, UH, MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN MOST, UH, I, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, PARTICULARLY NEEDED TO BE CALLED OUT HERE.

SIR.

COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR? YES.

1 1 2 7 CLIFFTOP LANE.

MS. BALL, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, ANY OF OUR OTHER SPEAKERS ONLINE.

TRACY BALL? UH, SHE IS ONLINE.

YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR, YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING.

STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER.

THAT OUR HOUSES ARE IN, WERE NOT MANAGED PROPERLY.

SO I AM ALSO LIKE MR. MEYERS, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS AT THE TOP OF THE CLIFF.

AND WHILE WE ARE ALL EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC GROWTH IN OUR AREA, THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO MANAGE THIS PROJECT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT

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UM, THE, AS HE MENTIONED, 17 HOMES HAVE EXPERIENCED FOUNDATION ISSUES ARE AND ARE AT RISK OF SLIDING OFF THIS CLIFF.

AND THIS IS NOT HYPERBOLE.

THEY ARE AT RISK OF FALLING OFF THE CLIFF.

AND WE AS RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OR THE KNOWLEDGE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND HOW TO DO IT QUICKLY AND EFFECTIVELY TO MANAGE THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE FACING.

SO IT SEEMS AS THOUGH PERMITS WERE GIVEN THAT MAYBE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT.

AND ALSO THERE WAS LACK OF OVERSIGHT ON, UM, THE BUSINESSES ON COMMERCE WHO DUG INTO THE CLIFF AND EXCAVATED INTO THE CLIFF AND CAUSED THE INSTABILITY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW.

SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, AND, AND THE FACT THAT THE PRESENTATION TO THE ZONING AND PLAN COMMITTEE DIDN'T MENTION ANY OF THIS AND DIDN'T MENTION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, THE CITY'S OFFICE OF COMMUNI COMMUNITY PROSECUTION LOOKING INTO THIS MATTER IS A HUGE DEAL.

AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPER OVERSIGHT IS GIVEN TO ANYONE WHO PLANS TO DO ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT COULD POTENTIALLY FALL CAUSE MORE UNSTABILITY TO THIS CLIFF.

THERE ARE 17 HOMES AT IMMEDIATE RISK AND 53 HOMES IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE JUST INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS.

WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS.

WE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO RETAINING WALL AND THE COST OF THE RETAINING WALLS ARE IN THE MILLIONS AND ALL BECAUSE THE PROPER OVERSIGHT WASN'T GIVEN IN ADVANCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NO FURTHER IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ANY HOMES THAT ARE BUILT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CLIFF ARE NOT IMPACTED BY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US.

UH, IS MR. KUSHNER ON? OKAY.

AND WE HAVE ONE OTHER, MERIDIAN FROM A COMMUNITY HOA.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF CASES Z 2 34 DASH 34, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PUT THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL SEPTEMBER THE 19TH, 2024.

AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I GET A SECOND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSE FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

I AM VERY WELL AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY THE ILLEGAL EXCAVATION EXCAVATION THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT PROPER PERMITS AT BOTH THE SUBJECT SITE HERE AND THE SITE IMMEDIATELY TO THE, TO THE WEST.

AND I'M ALSO AWARE THAT THERE ARE CODE AND COMMUNITY PROSECUTION INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON, AND IT IS DEFINITELY NOT THE TIME TO AUTHORIZE ANY SORT OF, UM, ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY UNTIL THIS SITUATION IS RECTIFIED.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES GOOD? YES, SIR.

COMMISSIONER HOLT PLACED UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL WHAT DATE? SEPTEMBER 19TH.

, GO

[3. 24-2369 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a commercial amusement (inside) with a Class A dance hall on property zoned a CS Commercial Service District, on the west side of McCree Road, north of East Northwest Highway]

TO CASE NUMBER THREE.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, CASE Z 2 34 DASH TWO 14.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE WITH A CLASS A DANCE HALL ON PROPERTY ZONED A A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF MCCREE ROAD, NORTH OF EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE Z 2 34 2 14.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HOLT, MY APOLOGIES, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? NO.

I GUESS THE QUESTION COMES UP AGAIN, WHAT IS THE COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, BUT I DON'T

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KNOW IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I CAN GIVE THE CODE DEFINITION FOR THAT USE AND, UH, IT'S A LITTLE FUNKY, SO STRAP IN.

GIMME ONE SECOND TO PULL THAT UP.

OH BOY.

OKAY, .

UM, SO, UH, THE CODE DEFINITION FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE HAS SEVERAL LAYERS.

UM, BUT THE MAIN DEFINITION IS, UH, A FACILITY WHOLLY ENCLOSED IN A BUILDING THAT OFFERS ENTERTAINMENT OR GAMES OF SKILL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR A FEE.

THIS USE INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO, AND ADULT ARCADE, ADULT CABARET, ADULT THEATER, AMUSEMENT CENTER, BILLIARD HALL, BOWLING ALLEY, CHILDREN'S AMUSEMENT CENTER, DANCE HALL, MOTOR TRACK OR SKATING RINK.

SO IT'S BASICALLY ANYTHING OF AN ENTERTAINMENT NATURE THAT HAPPENS INSIDE.

UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER USE IN OUR CODE CALLED COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE SAME THING, BUT OBVIOUSLY OUT OF DOORS.

UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, THERE ARE KIND OF SUB USES THAT CAN BE PERMITTED LIKE A BINGO PARLOR OR AMUSEMENT CENTER OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT THIS APPLICANT IS JUST PROPOSING THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE USE.

UM, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING THAT A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR FLOOR AREA BE USED FOR A DANCE HALL, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF RUNS PART AND PARCEL WITH COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER? YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? OKAY, NOW WE'RE READY FOR THE MOTION.

IN THE MATTER OF, UM, CASE, UH, Z 2 34 DASH TWO 14, UM, I, UH, RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF A FIVE YEAR UP.

WOULD THAT BE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN CONDITIONS? YES.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.

ANY OPPOSED? WE HAVE ONE IN OPPOSITION CARPENTER.

MOTION PASSES.

COMMISSIONER.

SO WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR ZONING CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.

THE BEGINNING WITH CASE NUMBER, NO, PARDON ME? ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA GO

[36. 24-2403 An application to replat a 0.780-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 2A in City Block 3/5018 to create a 3-lot shared access development with 7,500 square feet lot each and one Common Area on property located on Easter Avenue, south of Fordham Road. (Part 1 of 2)]

TO ITEM NUMBER 36.

WE HAVE, UH, AN INTERPRETER THAT WAS REQUESTED, SO WE HAD TO MOVE THAT ITEM UP.

UM, EL EDUARDO LINA MARTINEZ OR ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ IS THE APPLICANT ON, ON CASE NUMBER 36? EDUARDO MARTINEZ OR MR. ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ.

SO LET'S COME BACK TO THIS HERE, UH, AFTER A FEW CASES.

COMMISSIONERS THEN LET'S, LET'S TABLE THE ITEM FOR THE MOMENT.

I THINK THAT THEY REQUESTED THE, UH, THE INTERPRETER.

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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

THANK NUMBER SIX.

WE'LL NOW GO TO CASE NUMBER SIX, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WHICH IS ON PAGE THREE Z 2 12 3 58.

FOR THIS ITEM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL GO FOR, UH, WITH ONE MINUTE PER SPEAKER.

PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, MS. LOPEZ WILL KEEP TIME.

AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES OWNED A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PRESTON ROAD AND BELTLINE ROAD STAFF.

ITEM NUMBER SIX IS

[6. 24-2374 An application for a Planned Development District for MU-2 Mixed Use District uses on property zoned a CR Community Retail District, located on the southeast corner of Preston Road and Belt Line Road. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to a conceptual plan, a development plan, and staff’s recommended conditions. ]

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNOZ.

I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

DO YOU NEED TO RAISE THAT TABLE OR DO YOU THERE'S A LITTLE MAGIC BUTTON BACK THERE SOMEWHERE.

THAT PERFECT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

ANDREW REIG, 2201 MAIN STREET, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1.

UM, I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP, UH, TO GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT, UH, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING TODAY.

MY, THAT'S CORRECT.

MY APOLOGIES MR. RIG, MY APOLOGIES.

WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK STEP BACK BECAUSE WE, THERE, THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT THE SIGNS.

SO THAT IS THE ITEM THAT WE'LL TAKE UP FIRST.

UH, IT'S NOT THE MERITS OF THE CASE JUST TO SEE IF, UH, UH, YOU COMPLY WITH SECTION 1.106, SO YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR ONE MINUTE ON THAT ITEM, JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW.

AND THEN ANY, ANYONE FROM THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON JUST THE ITEM, JUST THE SIGN IF THE SIGNS WERE POSTED IN ACCORDANCE TO 1.106 AND THEN WOULD DISPOSE OF THAT.

AND DEPENDING WHAT HAPPENS THERE, WE'LL EITHER SWING BACK TO THE MERITS OF THE CASE OR WE HOLD OR DENY THE ITEM PER OUR RULES.

MR. RIG, PLEASE, SIR.

UM, ANDREW RIG 2201 MAIN STREET FOR THE RECORD.

UH, REGARDING THE ZONING SIGNS, WE HAVE POSTED THOSE FOUR TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE ZONING CASE BEING FILED.

UH, MOST RECENTLY WE WERE ALERTED THAT THE SIGNS WERE DOWN, UM, LATE, UH, LAST WEEK, WE IMMEDIATELY FILED TO GET REPLACEMENT ZONING SIGNS AND PLACE THOSE ON THE SITE, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UM, WE HAVE PUT GOOD FAITH EFFORTS INTO ENSURING THAT THE ZONING SIGNS ARE POSTED.

IN ADDITION, UM, WE'VE HELD MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, HAD, UH, A WEBPAGE WITH ALL THE UPDATES ON IT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S OTHER METHODS OF INFORMING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE APPLICANT'S SIDE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE, THE SIGN ISSUE? OKAY.

FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC.

HI EVERYONE.

OH, THE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE TO THE MIC TURNED OFF.

HI EVERYONE.

NATALIE LEVE, 6 2 1 5 GEORGIAN COURT, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 5 4.

UH, I APPRECIATE WEBSITES, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT THE CODE IS VERY CLEAR AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE ISSUE.

SIGNS ARE REQUIRED TO BE 14 DAYS UNTIL THIS HEARING IN TWO INSTANCES, RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE TODAY HAD TO EMAIL THE CITY IN ORDER TO HAVE COMPLIANCE BECAUSE THEY WERE SO CONCERNED BECAUSE THESE MEETINGS WERE SET TO APPEAR SEVEN IN 14 DAYS AND HEY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SIGNS THE CODE WAS NOT COMPLIED WITH, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO BE DISMISSED.

I DO NOT VIEW GOOD FAITH EFFORTS AS WAITING FOR RESIDENTS TO SEND EMAILS AND THEN PUTTING SIGNS UP.

WHERE THE SIGNS, UH, WERE ABSENT WAS MAY 28TH DURING THAT HIGH WINDSTORM AND I, I LIVE CLOSE BY, I DRIVE BY THAT STREET DAILY ON MY WAY TO THE OFFICE.

HELLO, STEVE NORD.

SETH 14, 2 20 HUGHES LANE.

UH, I CAN ATTEST THAT THE, THERE WAS NOT A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO KEEP THE SIGNS UP.

THE LAST CASE

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THE SIGNS WERE DOWN FOR 60 DAYS, SO I THINK THAT CLEARLY IS NOT A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO KEEP THE NOTIFICATION SIGNS UP.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UH, ON THE SIGN ISSUE FIRST? MR. RU? TECHNICALLY PEREZ, YOU DO GET, OH, SORRY.

I'M GWEN MOORE AT 7 2 3 1 TANGLE GLEN DRIVE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK THAT WE NEED MORE RULES BECAUSE THESE SIGNS HAVE BEEN FLOPPED OVER.

THEY WERE NOTHING BETTER THAN A SIXTH GRADE SCIENCE PROJECT FACING A 40 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT.

IT WAS RIDICULOUS.

NO ONE READ THE SIGNS.

IF YOU'RE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE IT'S A 15 ACRE PROPERTY, WE NEED MORE RULES.

IF IT'S 15 ACRES, THEY SHOULD HAVE 15 SIGNS SO WE CAN READ THEM.

SO WE NEED A GOOD FAITH EFFORT FROM YOU THE NEXT TIME.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, FOLKS.

I, I WOULD'VE REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF WE DON'T GET INTO THAT RIGHT.

OR IT'S GONNA BE A LONG DAY IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT.

UH, YES, SIR.

OKAY, GOT IT.

WE FREQUENTLY POST ZONING SIGNS FOR OTHER CASES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UH, TYPICALLY THE BEST WAY TO POST THEM IS TO AFFIX THEM TO, UM, A, A FENCE.

THERE'S NOT MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR FENCES OUT HERE.

I DID, UH, AS MYSELF BEING THE ONE POSTING THE SIGNS ON SITE, I DID FIND A SUITABLE LOCATION TO AFF FIX A SIGN THAT WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO, UH, BE IMPACTED BY A STORM, BE STOLEN, UM, OR, UM, OTHERWISE TAKEN AWAY.

WE'VE ALSO ALERTED THE SECURITY ON SITE TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THE SIGNS REMAIN UP AND IF THEY SEE ANYBODY TAMPERING WITH THE SIGNS TO, UM, ALERT THE OWNERSHIP GROUP.

UM, I WILL ADMIT THAT THERE'S NOT THE BEST LOCATIONS FOR THESE SIGNS ON THE SITE.

IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE FIVE ZONING SIGNS FOR A SITE THIS SIZE.

THOSE FIVE ZONING SIGNS WERE, UH, REPOSTED IN OUR OPINION, A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WHEN WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY WERE DOWN OR WE HAD OBSERVED THAT THEY WERE DOWN.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER'S.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROIG? FIRST ON THE ITEM ON THE, THE SIGNS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, MR. RUHR, IN ADDITION TO THE SIGNS, UM, REQUIRED BY THE CITY, ARE THERE NOT ALSO BANNERS ALL UP AND DOWN BELTLINE AND PRESTON NOTIFYING RESIDENTS THAT THERE'S PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE? I HAVE SEEN BANNERS ON PRESTON ROAD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR MR. RIG? QUESTIONS FOR OUR, UH, SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? I HAD ONE QUESTION, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER FORSET FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE, HOW MANY DAYS DID YOU SAY THAT THE SIGNS WERE DOWN? TWO DAYS.

YEAH, ACTUALLY I HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE.

WE HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE.

AND WHEN WERE THEY NOTIFIED THEY WERE GOING? THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE THAT, YES.

UH, AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S IN THIS ROOM, UH, EMAILED, UH, THE, THE PLANNING STAFF ABOUT IT, AND THEN CONSEQUENTLY THE SIGNS WERE PUT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT.

UH, MAY 28TH TO JULY 28TH, THE SIGNS WERE NOT PRESENT.

SO 60 DAYS IS THE WAY I CALCULATE IT.

AND, AND, UH, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? ALL THE SIGNS WERE DOWN? YES.

I, IN FACT, I HAVE A YOUTUBE VIDEO THAT SHOWS THE FOUR SIGNS THAT WERE UP ORIGINALLY.

AND I ALSO HAVE TIME DATED PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THE SIGNS WERE DOWN ON THE DATE THAT I INDICATED.

UM, SO I'VE BEEN TO 12 MEETINGS REGARDING PEPPER SQUARE, SO I'M VERY INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.

I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DRIVE BY THERE DAILY TO GO TO MY OFFICE, SO IT'S A VERY EASY THING FOR ME TO OBSERVE.

AND I ALSO WAS INVOLVED IN MAY WHEN THE SIGNS WERE NOT PRESENT AND THE MEETING WAS NOT DELAYED AS WE REQUESTED.

SO I'VE BEEN KEEPING MY EYE ON THE SIGN, SIGN ISSUE.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M SO AWARE.

AND YOU, YOU INDICATE THAT THE SIGNS WENT DOWN ON MAY 28TH.

DID YOU REPORT THAT IMMEDIATELY? I DON'T THINK I HAD AN OBLIGATION TO REPORT IT.

I WOULD JUST OB OBSERVED IT.

SO, UH, I GUESS WHEN, WHEN, WHEN DID THE COMMUNITY NOTIFY THE, THE, THE DEVELOPER THAT THE SIGNS WERE NOT THERE? WHEN, WHEN WAS THAT? THAT WAS DONE ON JULY 28TH.

[02:50:01]

THANKS, CHAIR RUBEN, I THINK COMMISSIONER FORSYTH ASKED MY QUESTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

I'M SORRY, SIR.

WE, WE ALREADY PASSED THAT, SIR, I CAN'T SPEAK.

I'M SORRY.

WE, WE'VE ALREADY MOVED ON.

MY APOLOGIES.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'LL SAY THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE, ON THE SIGN ISSUE? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

UM, MS. MUNOZ, IF THIS BODY WERE TO FIND THAT THERE WAS A POSTING NOTICE IS THE TYPICAL REQUEST FROM THE BODY TO SIMPLY REPOST THE SIGNS, CPC WOULD HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO EITHER HOLD THE CASE TO ALLOW FOR REPOSTING OR COULD MAKE A DECISION TODAY IF THEY CHOSE TO? NO.

UNDERSTOOD.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION ON THE RECORD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.

UM, I MOVE TO FIND THE APPLICANT COMPLIED WITH THE SIGN NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS ON 51 A 1.106 BY MAKING GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO KEEP NOTIFICATION SIGNS POSTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CODE.

SECOND.

VICE CHAIR RUBIN, AND SO MANY SECONDS THAT I, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON WAS VERY QUICK AND, AND FAST, SO WE WILL HAVE HER AS SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION MR. RUBIN, PLEASE? I'LL JUST SAY IT SOUNDS LIKE AS SOON AS THIS APPLICANT WAS NOTIFIED OF THESE SIGNS BEING DOWN, THEY, THEY PROMPTLY REPOSTED THEM AND I THINK THAT CONSTITUTES, UH, GOOD FAITH EFFORTS IN MY VIEW.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS.

SEE, AND NONE.

IS THERE A NO ON THAT ONE? OPPOSITION.

NOW WE'LL GO TO THE MERITS OF THE CASE.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE APPLICANT IN ONE MINUTE.

I DO HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION IF I COULD PULL THAT UP OR CAN I DO IT ON THE SCREEN HERE? OKAY.

DID YOU FIND THE BACK? YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE, UH, SHOULD BE PULLING UP.

ARE YOU READY MR. RUE? SURE THING.

IS IT TRYING TO TOGGLE IT OR? YEAH, LET ME, LEMME CHECK THAT REAL QUICK.

SORRY, WHAT? YOU DIDN'T HAVE ABOUT CLOSE ANYTHING, DID YOU? I DON'T THINK SO.

I NEED TO REOPEN WEBEX.

I NEED TO RECONNECT THE COMPUTER TO WEBEX WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

[02:55:41]

I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE WAITING ON, UH, MR. CHAIR.

I THINK WE CAN, WE'LL GO AHEAD GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD.

VERY GOOD, THANK YOU.

ANDREW RUE 2201 MAIN STREET.

UM, JUST WANT TO PREVIEW, UH, SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DOCKET, UH, OR I GUESS IN OUR PRESENTATION THAT WE HAPPY TO DISCUSS FURTHER.

UM, GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PD, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING, OBVIOUSLY NO CR IS THE EXISTING, UM, ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, AND THE IMPETUS FOR THIS REQUEST IS TO REVITALIZE AN AGING SHOPPING CENTER TO PROVIDE FOR A WALKABLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH AMPLE OPEN SPACES, GREEN SPACES, RESTAURANT, RETAIL, AND SOME, UH, TRAIL CONNECTION LANGUAGE, SIDE PERIMETER SIDEWALKS AND INTERIOR CONNECTIVITY ITEMS. UM, HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE SITE.

UM, WE'VE HAD EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHICH WE'LL TALK TALK TOUCH ON LATER.

UH, THIS PRESENTATION.

UM, A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY IN THE BRIEFING.

UH, WE DID REDUCE THE AREA OF THE REQUEST, UH, FROM 23 ACRES DOWN TO 15, AND WE'VE SUBSEQUENTLY DECREASED OUR DENSITY FROM OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST OF 2300 DOWN TO 984.

UM, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE HEARD A, A BEEP, BUT I'LL JUST QUICKLY SHOW YOU SOME OTHER SLIDES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR DECK AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THEM, UM, SHOULD THERE BE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN SHADAY, VICE CHAIRMAN RUBEN AND PLANT COMMISSIONERS.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, MY NAME IS LEE KLEINMAN OF MASTER PLAN 2201 MAIN STREET DALLAS.

THANK YOU FOR SERVING THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS AND THINKING OF THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

SPECIAL THANKS TO VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR THE, UH, TIRELESS WORK HE DID ON THE PD CONDITIONS WORKING WITH HENRY S. MILLER IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS THAT TOOK THE TIME TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME SUGGESTIONS AND, UH, SO THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME CHANGES TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PD.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE ROLE THAT THE PLANT COMMISSION HAS, WHICH IS TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE GROWTH AND IMPROVE LAND USE FOR THE CITY.

THE STATUS QUO AT BELT LINE IN PRESTON REINFORCES A SEA OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AGING, RETAIL, INCREASING TRAFFIC AND AGING.

70 STYLE SHOPPING CENTER EXPERIENCE THAT NO LONGER SERVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

MILLER WANTS TO PREVENT THIS SLOW DEGRADATION INTO BLIGHT.

THEY OFFER THE CITY A NEW PEPPER SQUARE WITH A VIBRANT MIXED USE COMMUNITY OFFERING MUCH NEEDED RESIDENTIAL AND A CURATED MIX OF QUALITY RESTAURANTS AND RETAILERS THAT SERVE THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR.

WE'RE NOT MINUTE GOES BY QUICK.

IT DOES, FOLKS, PLEASE.

LET'S, LET'S TRY TO HAVE A RESPECTFUL HEARING HERE, SIR.

RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU FOLKS TO, TO TRY TO KEEP THIS AT A, AT AN EVEN KEEL AND A RESPECTFUL TONE.

HELLO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

MY NAME'S GREG MILLER AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF HENRY MILLER COMPANY.

AND, UM, APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

WE'RE HOPING TO BUILD SOMETHING REALLY, UH, SPECIAL FOR THIS AREA THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF AND THAT WILL HELP SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, UH, HELP THE CITY GROW IN, UH, PROPER WAY.

IS THAT IT? OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ONLINE AND SUPPORT? LET'S CHECK.

BLESS YOU.

IS MS. SPRING ONLINE? WENDY SPRING.

WENDY

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SPRING? YES.

SPRING.

WE'RE READY FOR YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN NOW.

UM, OKAY.

WENDY SPRING SIX, FIVE.

DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON MA'AM? I'M SORRY.

OOPS, I CAN'T SEE HER ON MY SCREEN, CAN YOU? NO, BUT THE, CAN WE SWITCH VIEWS HERE? TAKE THE POWERPOINT DOWN.

SHOULD BE STAND BY MS. SPRING.

ONE MOMENT.

IT'S FINE.

MS. SPRING, I THINK, I THINK I SAW YOU THERE FOR A MOMENT.

THERE YOU ARE.

6 5 1 5 WESTGATE DRIVE, DALLAS 7 5 2 5 4.

WENDY SPRINGS.

I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PEPPER SQUARE REZONING PROPOSAL BECAUSE MANY STRIP SHOPPING CENTERS ACROSS DALLAS ARE DETERIORATING WITH HIGH PERCENTAGES OF EMPTY STOREFRONTS AND ARE INCREASINGLY BECOMING ATTRACTIVE TO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

PEPPER SQUARE IS NO EXCEPTION.

STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT BY INCLUDING A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN AN AREA WILL REDUCE CRIME.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE AND STABILIZE THIS PROPERTY AND PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING OF BOTH A LEASE AND OWNERSHIP NATURE THAT IS SO BADLY NEEDED IN THIS CITY.

I'D RATHER SEE DENSITY OCCUR IN PEPPER SQUARE AND IN OTHER UNDERUTILIZED SHOPPING LOCATIONS ACROSS DALLAS THAN COME DURING OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

ALRIGHT FOLKS, WE'RE READY FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.

IF YOU COULD MAYBE JUST COME ON DOWN, UH, 10 AT A TIME OR SO AND BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS HERE IN FAVOR AND, UH, YEAH, NO, I, I THOUGHT I ASKED IF THERE WAS OTHER SPEAKERS AND, AND NOBODY.

I'M SORRY.

MY APOLOGIES.

SO THERE ARE OTHER SPEAKERS, MY APOLOGIES FOLKS.

I, I ASKED FOR FOLKS IN, IN SUPPORT, DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE STAND UP.

SO IS IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM, LET'S TAKE THOSE FOLKS FIRST.

APOLOGIES.

I THOUGHT IT WAS MY AP.

NO, MY APOLOGIES.

UH, SEAN JENSEN, 1 5 5 3 6 BAY POINT DRIVE.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, I LEAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DIRECTLY ACROSS BELTLINE FROM PRESTON FROM PEPPER SQUARE.

OUR ORGANIZATION IS NOT TAKING A COLLECTIVE POSITION.

THERE'S JUST TOO MANY DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

OUR BOARD SUPPORTS THEM ALL.

WE WANT THEM ALL TO BE HEARD REGARDLESS OF THEIR VIEWS.

WE WANT OUR MEMBERS TO SPEAK THEIR OWN MINDS.

IN THAT SPIRIT.

I'D LIKE TO VOICE MY OWN PERSONAL SUPPORT FOR REZONING.

OVER THE PAST YEAR I'VE SEEN MILLER MAKE MANY CHANGES BASED ON OUR INPUT, BUT WHEN THEY DIDN'T, THEY EXPLAINED WHY AND I COULD UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE, I CAN SEE THE VISION.

I'M EXCITED AT THE CHANCE TO REVITALIZE THAT DYING SPACE AND BUILD SOMETHING NEW THERE THAT WE CAN ALL EMBRACE AS A DYNAMIC POSITIVE RESOURCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION.

THANK

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YOU.

ARE THERE OTHER SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT? ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? LAST CALL.

OKAY, NOW WE'RE READY FOR YOU FOLKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON.

WHAT SIR, WE JUST WANTED, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION IF THAT'S ALRIGHT.

OF COURSE, YES, OF COURSE.

WE CAN GET YOU ALL SET UP.

YEAH, IT UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

DID WE DONE SIXTY SEVEN TWENTY EIGHT PRIOR THE, SORRY, THE MICROPHONE.

MARK LOMBARDI SIXTY SEVEN TWENTY EIGHT PRIOR COVE COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WE ARE PART OF THE PEPPER SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, A GROUP OF 20 PLUS COMMUNITIES AND HOAS AND ARE HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR REVITALIZED PEPPER SQUARE, A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD SERVE LOCAL RESIDENTS, NEWCOMERS, THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT TOO.

HOWEVER, WE FEEL THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET THAT STANDARD.

OUR GROUP HAS RECEIVED FEEDBACK THROUGH COMMUNITY AND PUBLIC MEETINGS, LOCAL SURVEYS, AND COUNTLESS PERSONAL INTERACTIONS.

THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL.

THEY DO SUPPORT OR RE-ENVISION PEPPER SQUARE, BUT FEEL THIS PLAN LACKS JUST THAT VISION AND CREATIVITY.

A SMART REDEVELOPMENT CAN SET THE STANDARD FOR THRIVING COMMUNITY CENTERS THROUGHOUT DALLAS.

A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SHOP, DINE, VISIT SERVICE PROVIDERS, GATHER A PLACE THAT PROMOTES A TOWN SQUARE TYPE ATMOSPHERE.

IF A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS INCLUDED, IT SHOULD SEAMLESSLY FIT WITHIN THE OVERALL VISION.

ENHANCING THE COMMUNITY FEEL RATHER THAN DETRACTING FROM IT.

THIS IS A GENERATIONAL OPPORTUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY HAS MADE ITS VOICE HEARD AND IS WILLING TO BE PATIENT.

LET'S CONTINUE TO ENGAGE.

THE CITY DESERVES BETTER AND WE'LL EXPLAIN WHY, BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP.

LET'S GET THIS RIGHT.

WITH FEWER STORIES WHILE OFFERING A LARGE AMOUNT OF RETAIL RESTAURANT AND PERSONAL SERVICES THAT ARE GENERALLY SEPARATED BY LARGE PARKING AREAS OR OPEN SPACES ALONG THE PERIMETER.

HI, JANET MARKHAM, 7 7 1 4 MAPLE CREST DRIVE.

PEPPER SQUARE IS DESIGNATED WITH THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE PLACE TYPE IN FOR DALLAS 2.0.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? TO QUOTE THE LITERATURE FOR COMMUNITY MIXED USE WITHIN MORE SUBURBAN AREAS OF DALLAS.

THESE AREAS ARE COMPRISED OF LARGER COMPLEXES, OFTEN

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CHECK MY SLIDE FOR EXAMPLES.

TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM FORWARD DALLAS WHEN CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS, BUILDINGS IN THESE URBAN AREAS ARE GENERALLY DEVELOPED VERTICALLY AND OFFER MORE HOUSING OPTIONS.

FOR AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, JUST LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN RENDERINGS.

IN OTHER WORDS, TALLER BUILDINGS WITH DENSER HOUSING ARE BETTER SUITED FOR DOWNTOWN.

WHILE SHORTER BUILDINGS WITH LESS FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL AND MORE FOCUS ON COMMUNITY RETAIL OPTIONS ARE BETTER SUITED FOR SUBURBAN AREAS.

WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT PEPPER SQUARE IS NOT DOWNTOWN, IT'S IN A SUBURBAN AREA.

THE PROPOSAL FOR MILLER AS IT STANDS TODAY DOESN'T BELONG AT PEPPER SQUARE.

LET'S GET THIS RIGHT.

MY NAME IS MIKE QUINT.

I LIVE AT 60 15 HIGH COURT PLACE.

THE PEPPER SQUARE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 23 ACRES.

EIGHT ACRES ARE REMOVED FROM THE REZONING REQUEST AND WON'T BE UPDATED OR INCORPORATED INTO THIS REDEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WHEN ONE THIRD OF THE SITE IS BEING IGNORED, LEAVING DECADES OLD STRUCTURES IN PLACE, LET'S APPROVE A PLAN THAT THAT TURNS ALL OF PEPPER SQUARE INTO A VIBRANT COMMUNITY.

WITH PROPERLY SCALED STRUCTURES THAT APPEAL TO THE GREATER NORTH A COMMUNITY, THIS PLAN IS MISSING KEY.

UH, DEFINE DEF DEFINING FACTORS TO THE, FOR A COMMUNITY MIXED USE PROJECT IN A SUBURBAN AREA, THERE SHOULD BE FEWER STORIES WHILE OFFERING A LARGE AMOUNT OF RETAIL RE RESTAURANTS AND PERSONAL SERVICES.

WE ARE SEEING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS A FOCUS ON DENSE RESIDENTIAL AND THE RETAIL BEING IGNORED OR LOOKING LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

THE PROPOSED LIMITED AMOUNT OF RETAIL IN, IN RELATION TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DEDICATED TO RESIDENTIAL IS LARGELY BENEFITING THE RESIDENTS ON SITE, THEREFORE LIMITING THE NEW SHOPPING OPTIONS THAT WILL THANK SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

MATT BACH 1 5 7 4 6 COVID CIRCLE.

FAR NORTH DALLAS RESIDENTS DO NOT FEAR APARTMENTS OR OTHER FORMS OF RENTAL DEVELOPMENTS.

IT'S JUST THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THOUSANDS OF GARDEN STYLE MULTIFAMILY RENTAL UNITS.

WHAT WE LACK IS MISSING MIDDLE HOME OWNERSHIP OPTIONS.

THE PREVAILING HEIGHTS OF THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES IN OUR AREA ARE TWO TO THREE STORIES WITH A DENSITY OF 20 TO 30 UNITS PER ACRE.

THIS PLAN THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TODAY SEEKS TO ADD APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND NEW APARTMENTS HOUSED IN HIGH-RISE STRUCTURES.

SOME 12 STORIES TALL AT A DENSITY OF 63 UNITS PER ACRE.

DOUBLE THE NORM FOR OUR AREA.

THIS IS A DRASTIC DEPARTURE FROM THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY AND NOT AT ALL COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.

THERE ARE NO CREATIVE HOUSING OPTIONS BEING OFFERED, NO SIGNIFICANT COMMITMENT TO OWNER OCCUPANCY OR SENIOR LIVING OPTIONS.

THE A THOUSAND MORE APARTMENTS DO NOT FULFILL ANYONE'S GOALS EXCEPT THE DEVELOPERS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO REPURPOSE RETAIL INTO MIXED USE, IT SHOULD BE TO GET THE PROPERTY TO ITS HIGHEST.

THANK YOU FOR GOING, LET'S GET SORRY.

FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER GRAYSON.

I'M KATHLEEN DOKE.

1 4 3 3 2 REGENCY PLACE DISPLAYED ON THIS GRAPHIC IN RED AND YELLOW SHADING ARE MORE THAN 13,000 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PEPPER SQUARE.

GENERALLY WEST OF PRESTON IN GREEN SHADING EAST OF PRESTON ARE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CLOSE TO PEPPER SQUARE, ORANGE SHADING DEPICTS RETAIL ONLY SITES TO REZONE A LARGE RETAIL ONLY SITE AND CHANGE IT INTO DENSE MULTIFAMILY DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS NEARBY.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE LANDOWNER AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THIS INTERSECTION IS ALREADY ENTITLED TO ADD 1700 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THEIR SITE AND THE OWNER SOUTH OF THE SITE IS ENTITLED TO ADD THREE TO 500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THEIR SITE.

IF YOU GRANT THE LANDOWNER AT PEPPER SQUARE THE RIGHT TO ADD 984 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, YOU ARE OVERLOADING AN ALREADY STRAINED INTERSECTION.

LET'S GET THIS RIGHT, WE CAN DO BETTER.

NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.

SANDY GRAYSON, 72 38 HEATHER MOORE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 8.

A VERY SMART ZONING CONSULTANT RECENTLY SAID THAT WHEN HE SEES A ZONING CASE WITH A LOT OF OPPOSITION, HE KNOWS THAT CASE IS A LOSER.

PEPPER SQUARE HAS HUGE OPPOSITION, IT'S A LOSER.

BUT IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE WEEKS, AN EFFORT WAS MADE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS, BUT WE'RE STILL NOT THERE.

WE CAN

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DO BETTER.

PLEASE DEFER YOUR VOTE ON THIS CASE SO THAT THE PEPPER SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION AND THE APPLICANT CAN NEGOTIATE AND HOPEFULLY REACH A COMPROMISE THAT BOTH SIDES CAN LIVE WITH.

WILL EVERYONE WHO IS HERE TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PEPPER SQUARE CASE, PLEASE STAND UP.

THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THANK YOU ALL.

WHAT'S THAT FOLKS? I'M GONNA RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING.

THANK MARC YOU SO MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

MARCY SARDA.

6 2 2 2 GEORGINE COURT.

UM, ANYONE IN THE CITY WHO HAS DRIVEN DOWN PRESTON ROAD REGULARLY KNOWS THAT FROM DAVENPORT ALL THE WAY TO 6 35 IS A HUGELY CONGESTED AREA.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE APARTMENTS, THERE ARE THREE MAJOR HIGHWAYS THAT ARE, THAT IS LEADING INTO, AND THE TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS.

I DON'T SEE THE SENSE OF ADDING OVER A THOUSAND MORE BODIES AND CARS TO THIS AREA.

IT'S ALREADY A NIGHTMARE FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE THERE AND HAVE TO WORK THERE AND COMMUTE THROUGH THERE TO DRIVE THROUGH.

SO WE'RE ALL FOR REVITALIZING PEPPER SQUARE WITH RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES, BUT ADDING ALL THESE BODIES AND ALL THIS TRAFFIC TO THIS AREA IS, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

GOOD AFTERNOON, ANN BALDWIN.

1 5 6 3 6 GOLDEN CREEK ROAD DALLAS.

MY FAMILY'S IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE HENRY S. MILLER ZONING CASE, THE PEPPER SQUARE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

WE'VE LIVED IN PRESTONWOOD AREA SINCE 1985 WITH PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS, CHURCH SHOPPING OPTIONS, NOT AN AREA WITH CONGESTED TRAFFIC AND CRAMPED MULTI-LEVEL APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITH HIGH DENSITY.

THERE'S NOTHING REMOTELY LIKE THE PROPOSED 12 STORY BUILDING, WHICH IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE LONG ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITIES REPRESENTED BY 19 OR MORE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL.

WHILE THIS PROPERTY COULD USE SOME REVITALIZATION, MORE DENSITY HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THE EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEXES BETWEEN BELTLINE AND ARAPAHOE ROADS ALONG PRESTON ROAD.

THEREFORE, THIS ZONING AND REQUEST IS UNNECESSARY AND UNJUSTIFIED.

THE GREEN SPACE IS SMALL UNINVITING AND DOES NOT ENHANCE THE SURROUNDING AREA OR LIFESTYLE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SUSAN AND GARRETT SHERMAN.

62 19 CHURCHILL.

WAY, 7 5 2 3 0.

WE LIVE JUST SOUTH OF PEPPER SQUARE AND OUR CUSTOMERS OF PEPPER SQUARE RETAILERS.

OUR GRANDCHILDREN TAKE LESSONS AT OLYMPIC MEDALIST JIM MONTGOMERY SWIM SCHOOL AT PEPPER SQUARE.

THE ZONING MUST REMAIN NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL SALES.

WE WANT NO APARTMENTS AT PEPPER SQUARE.

WE EXPECT YOU ALL TO VOTE NO.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION IS FIERCE.

THE NORTHWOOD HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE NORTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD ALLIANCE REPRESENT OUR VIEWS.

WE HAVE NO REPRESENTATION ON THIS COMMISSION.

MR. LER HAS BEEN REMOVED.

DISTRICT 11 SCHULTZ DOES NOT REPRESENT OUR CONCERNS.

MR. RUBIN DOES NOT KNOW US AND DOES NOT REPRESENT US.

MA'AM, I WOULD PLEASE ASK YOU TO JUST KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CASE AND, AND LET'S KEEP THE COMMISSIONERS OUT OF OUR COMMENTS NOW.

RESPECTFULLY ASKING YOU.

YOU MUST VOTE NO, DO NOT SEND THIS TO CITY COUNCIL.

WE CAN DO BETTER NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

I'M DIANE BENJAMIN, 65 30 WAGNER DRIVE.

I'M A FULL-TIME VETERAN REALTOR.

HAVING SERVED OVER 45 YEARS AS A REALTOR AND AS A TOP PRODUCER FOR HENRIETTA MILLER REAL ESTATE, WHERE I TOOK AN OATH TO PROTECT THE VALUE OF THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY.

MANY TIMES, MANY OF THESE HOMEOWNERS, THIS IS THE FIRST INVESTMENT, IF NOT THE ONLY INVESTMENT OF THEIR LIFETIME.

I HAVE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED THIS CONTINUATION IN MY OPINION, OF OBAMA'S PLAN FOR THE 21ST C CENTURY, WHICH IS DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

AND ALSO A, UH, DISCOURAGE IS THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT OF MEN, THE URBANIZATION OF THE SUBURBS, WHICH IS DESTROYING OUR HOME VALUES WHEREIN HIGH DENSITY WHICH THIS PLAN WILL INCUR, UH, ON THE LOW INCOME HOUSING THAT IS DESTRUCTIVE TO OUR HARDWORKING CITIZENS WHO EARNED THEIR HOMES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND, AND THIS, THIS HIGH DENSITY IS GOING TO ABSOLUTELY DESTROY THE VALUE OF THEIR HOMES.

I WISH TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE FORWARD 22.0.

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I LIVE AT 69 0 9 LEE MEADOW DRIVE.

I'D LIKE TO BRING GOOD NEWS AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS I LOVE THIS.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST ASKING, WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING.

I THINK SO.

WE WANNA REVITALIZATION.

I THINK IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT WE GET THERE, SO I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO US.

MY MAIN CONCERN AS A RESIDENT IS THE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS ALREADY GRADED AT A, UH, AN F LEVEL.

AND I THINK JUST ADDING, UH, RESIDENTIAL THERE IS JUST NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY COMMON SENSE.

SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.

I DRIVE BY THAT INTERSECTION MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY AND IT'S ALREADY BAD.

SOMETIMES I'M AT, YOU KNOW, ANY NON-TRAFFIC TIMES IS BAD.

SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

YES, WE'RE NOT GO.

MY NAME IS NATE WEYMOUTH.

I LIVE AT 8 8600 THACKERY AVENUE.

I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PEREZ APPLICANT WITH THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS IS MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE AWARE, OR THE CITY COUNCIL AWARE IS THAT 43% OF ALL HOMES ARE BEING PURCHASED BY INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS WHO THEN CONVERT THEM INTO RENTALS.

THAT'S ITS 60% I'M QUOTING FROM A NATIONAL REALTORS ASSOCIATION.

THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE IS YOU BUILD MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE EQUITY STAKE IN THEIR PROPERTY.

WE DO NOT NEED MORE PAR APARTMENTS AT THIS SITE.

AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINE CASEY AND I LIVE AT 7 0 2 5 REGAL VIEW CIRCLE.

AND, UH, I'M OPPOSED, UH, TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I BELIEVE IN, UH, DENSITY, UM, AND I BELIEVE IN DENSITY CLOSE TO WHERE PEOPLE WORK SUCH AS DOWNTOWN.

UH, THERE IS NOT A CONCENTRATION OF EMPLOYERS WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PLANNED TO TAKE PLACE.

UM, I WOULD SUPPORT TWO STORY OR THREE STORY TOWNHOUSES OWNER THAT COULD BE PURCHASED BY PEOPLE WHO COULD GET EQUITY.

UM, THE 12 STORY HIGH RISE WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND ON OCTOBER, UH, SORRY, AUGUST 7TH AND LETTERS TO THE EDITOR, A REFERENCE WAS MADE TO THE SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THERE WERE 1100 RESPONSES, 91% WERE OPPOSED.

THERE IS NO BASIS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THERE IS WIDESPREAD SUPPORT OR ANY SUPPORT, ANY MEANINGFUL SUPPORT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

MY NAME IS BARLOW URBAN NATIVE DALLAS SITE.

UH, I LIVE AT 5 9 3 4 WARREN MIST LANE IN DALLAS IN PRESTONWOOD.

UM, HENRY S. MILLER CAN MAKE A SIZABLE PROFIT FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR INVESTORS WITH RETAIL, BUT INSTEAD THEY DECIDE TO CHANGE THE LAND USE TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFIT.

PLEASE DO NOT SELL US OUT.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE TOO MANY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ALREADY AROUND THAT AREA.

EACH MULTI-FAMILY UNIT THAT IS BUILT GENERATES FIVE TO SEVEN VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.

THAT MEANS A THOUSAND UNITS WILL ADD BETWEEN FIVE TO 7,000 ADDITIONAL VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY LEADING TO CONGESTION, NOISE LEVELS AND DECREASE QUALITY OF LIFE.

IN ADDITION, WE GOT TTI DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO IT, DEVELOPING 300 UNITS PROPOSED AND WE HAVE VALLEY VIEW COMING UP.

HOW MUCH DENSITY DO YOU WANT FOR US? WE HAVE A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOUR TIME IS UP AND PLEASE DO NOT SELL US OUT.

HI, MY NAME IS SOPHIE .

I LIVE 66 0 2 1 MOCK ROAD, THE LAST 7 5 2 4 8 HENRY MILLER'S ASSERTION THAT PAPER SQUARE CANNOT BE SUSTAINED WITH ONLY 40% OF THE CENTER LIST IS QUESTIONABLE.

WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO ENTER NEW LONG-TERM LEASES DUE TO THESE REZONING APPLICATION OR FOCUS ON FILLING CURRENTLY EMPTY SPACES DUE TO THE POTENTIAL NEED TO HAVE TO BUY OUT THE TENANT IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED.

YET THE WEBSITE SHOWS ONLY FOUR AVAILABLE SPACES.

THIS DISCREPANCY RAISES DOUBTS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF MILLER'S CLAIM REGARDING THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE CURRENT LEASING SITUATION.

THE LIMITED EFFORT AND INVESTMENT BY MILLER IN RENOVATING PAPER SQUARE OVER THE PAST DECADE COMPARED TO OTHER NEARBY CENTERS FURTHER UNDERMINES THE ARGUMENT.

THANK THE TIME IS UP SIGNIFICANT.

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CELESTE MELEY 59 27 PRESTON VALLEY DRIVE.

THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF PEPPER SQUARE INCLUDES AN UNREASONABLY HIGH DENSITY OF APARTMENTS.

THE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF PRESTON ROAD IS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WHILE THE WEST SIDE ALREADY HAS OVER 6,000 APARTMENT AND CONDO UNITS WITH HUNDREDS OF IMMEDIATE VACANCIES.

ADDITIONALLY, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS PRESTON DEL NORTE IN THE AREA SOUTH OF ALEXIS ALREADY ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILIES WILL ADD THOUSANDS MORE UNITS.

A ZONING CHANGE TO ADD EVEN MORE APARTMENTS IS NOT ONLY UNNECESSARY BUT ALSO INAPPROPRIATE IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THIS LEVEL OF DENSITY IS TOTALLY AND ABSOLUTELY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH BOTH EXISTING SAN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND EVEN THE MULTI-FAMILY AREAS.

NO TO HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.

YES, TO A REVITALIZED RETAIL AREA, SERVING THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HI, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL ROBERTS.

I LIVE AT 1 4 0 1 2 HUGHES LANE IN WILLIAMSBURG.

I OPPOSE REZONING OF THE PEPPER SQUARE AND I BOUGHT MY HOUSE OVER 20 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS A THRIVING INTERSECTION.

HENRY S. MILLER HAS NOT MAINTAINED OR ENCOURAGES ENCOURAGED BUSINESSES TO STAY AND STAY THERE.

AND IF YOU LISTEN TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE TODAY, YOU HEAR ALL THEIR THOUGHTS AND ALL THEIR ISSUES AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS.

AND WE NEED TO ASK YOU GUYS A QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE LIVING NEXT TO THIS, WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING? WOULD YOU LIKE THE TRAFFIC INCREASE? WOULD YOU LIKE ALL, EVERYTHING THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT, OUR CITY SERVICES ARE NOT GONNA BE MAINTAINED.

IT'S GONNA BE SLOWER RESPONSE TIMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU GUYS ARE APPOINTED OFFICIALS REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE YOU SHOULD BE LISTENING TO THE CONSTITUENTS AND NOT THE DEVELOPERS.

6 2 2 7 COPPER HILL DRIVE.

THAT'S DALLAS 7 5 2 4 8.

THIS IS THE PEPPER SQUARE IS THE WORST POSSIBLE LOCATION TO TRY TO FIT IN THIS REQUESTED DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S LIKE TRYING TO SHOEHORN A BATTLESHIP INTO A SMALL POND.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

AND I THINK ABOUT THIS VERY VISUALLY.

OKAY, THE INTERSECTION THERE, THE CLOSEST INTERSECTION, PRESTON AND BELT LINE.

CURRENTLY THE MORNING COMMUTE AT AM THE LINE OF CARS STRETCHES DOWN PAST PEPPER SQUARE DEVELOPMENT.

THREE TO FOUR LIGHT CYCLES TO GET THROUGH.

TO ADD THIS MANY UNITS AND TO NOT MAKE IT, UM, UH, UH, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF SOME KIND, UH, IS ABSURD.

IT'S GONNA LEAD TO WHAT'S ALREADY A REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATION AND MAKE IT MUCH WORSE.

THE ONLY WAY TO ALLEVIATE THAT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY TO BUILD AN OVERPASS OVER PRECEDENT BALLOT LINE.

YOUR TIME WAS ALL.

THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

6 2 2 7 COPPER HILL DRIVE.

UM, I OPPOSE OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, PROPOSAL FOR PEPPER SQUARE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS APPROVED MULTIPLE, UM, MIXED USE, UM, AR UH, MIXED USE AREAS, UM, AROUND US, INCLUDING VALUE MALL.

UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER ONES THAT ARE IN THE AREA AND I I I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE AS THOSE DEVELOP AND MORE RESIDENTS MOVE INTO THOSE AREAS, IT'S GONNA MAKE THE DENSITY EVEN MORE.

AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THESE APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR PEOPLE AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE HOMES AND PLACES TO LIVE THAT AREN'T MAYBE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, BUT WITH ALL OF THIS OTHER AREA ALREADY APPROVED, IT'S JUST HELPING.

YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA MOVE INTO THAT AREA AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA NEED MORE APARTMENTS, UM, IN THE AREA.

SO JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

HELLO, MY NAME IS JANE MAXVILLE.

I LIVE AT 6 9 4 8 CLEAR HAVEN DRIVE, DALLAS.

AND I FEEL THIS IS SO SAD THAT WE HAVE TO BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LISTENING.

YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE HERE.

YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE MONEY AND LISTENING TO A DEVELOPER THAT I HAVE BEEN USING PEPPER SQUARE FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND I PERSONALLY BELIEVE HE HAS ALLOWED IT TO BE RUN DOWN SO THAT HE CAN MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

BUT YOU'RE NOT LISTENING

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TO US.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE HAVE TO DO TO TELL YOU.

PLEASE LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE, AND I BELIEVE HE CAN MAKE THIS INTO A REVITALIZED AREA.

MY KIDS, WE ATE AT FIRST NEVER FILLED THAT SPACE.

STEINMART NEVER FILLED THAT SPACE.

I LOOKED AT GOING INTO A SPACE THERE 15 YEARS AGO AND TURNED IT DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE SO ARROGANT TALKING TO ME.

THANK YOUR TIME IS UP.

MY HUSBAND SHOULD LOOK.

HI, TRAVIS RUDOLPH, 73 48 ELM RIDGE DRIVE.

SO I LIVE JUST EAST SOUTHEAST OF PEPPER SQUARE.

UM, MY COMPANY IS AT ALPHA AND PRESTON, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF PEPPER SQUARE.

SO I, I LIVE AND I WORK WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF PEPPER SQUARE AND I DRIVE THAT CORRIDOR EVERY DAY.

I DRIVE FROM ALPHA AND PRESTON TO BELTLINE AND PRESTON EVERY SINGLE DAY.

SO I CAN ATTEST TO ONE, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.

NUMBER TWO, THE FACT THAT ALL OF THOSE APARTMENTS ON THE WEST SIDE OF, OF PRESTON ARE NOT AT FULL CAPACITY.

UM, SO I, I OPPOSE THE MULTIFAMILY JUST FOR THE RECORD.

UH, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT FOR, UH, UH, MIXED USE.

UM, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT NUMBER.

NUMBER TWO, UM, MY FAMILY AND I, WE JUST MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD A YEAR AGO.

WE MOVED TO GET AWAY FROM MULTIFAMILY DENSITY FROM A, FROM A DIFFERENT PART OF TOWN.

UM, IF YOU DO THIS, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY I WOULD KEEP MY FAMILY OR MY COMPANY IN THIS AREA.

MY NAME IS JOE TRAVIS.

I'M 69 32 HUNTERS RIDGE DRIVE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 4 8.

SO HOPEFULLY I CAN COMMUNICATE CHEER UP.

YOU GUYS, YOU MAY BE SURPRISED AND EVEN PLEASED TO KNOW THAT HOMEOWNERS SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR EFFORTS TO STEM THE LOSS OF POPULATION FROM DALLAS TO THE SUBURBS.

BUT PLEASE RECONSIDER APPROVAL OF A 12 STORY BUILDING AT BELTLINE AT PRESTON, THE SECOND MOST CONGESTED INTERSECTION IN DALLAS.

PLEASE HAVE HENRY S. MILLER AND MASTER PLAN, WHICH WAS SOLD TO A FIRM IN NEW YORK TWO YEARS AGO TO MAKE REVISIONS TO THE PROPOSED PEPPER SQUARE REDEVELOPMENT.

JUST SEND THEM BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

IT'LL PROVIDE MORE RESTAURANTS.

I'M EDWARD STONE.

I'M A 50 YEAR RESIDENT OF 67 18 ROLLING VISTA.

I'VE STUDIED THE, THE, UH, MILLER PLAN FAIRLY EXTENSIVELY FOR QUITE A FEW MONTHS AND CONSIDERED THEIR SELLING POINTS IN DETAIL AND CANNOT SEE ANY BENEFITS TO ME AS A NEARBY PROPERTY OWNER.

IT WILL INCREASE MORE DENSITY.

THAT'S A DETRIMENT THAT IS NOT A BENEFIT TO HOMEOWNERS LIKE ME.

IT CREATES MORE SHOPPING.

WE LIVE IN AN AREA SATURATED WITH SHOPS OF ALL KINDS.

WE'RE ONE MILE FROM MADISON WITH SEVERAL HUNDRED RESTAURANTS.

IT'LL PROVIDE A TWO ACRE PARK.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO WALK MY DOG ACROSS BELTLINE OR PRESTON TO GET TO A TWO ACRE PARK.

IT'LL ENHANCE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WILL DESTROY THE LONG EX, THE LONG EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE STRONGEST BENEFIT TO ME WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THE EYESORE CURRENTLY AT PEPPER SQUARE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND A LIMITED NUMBER OF RESIDENCES, MAYBE 400.

YOUR TIME, JOSE AND EASY ACCESS.

1 3, 1 2, 2 HILLCREST ROAD.

HI, I AM MARY ELLEN SMITH.

I FEEL LIKE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY AT ALL.

IF MILLER, WHEN HE ANNOUNCED IN 2015 THAT HE WAS GOING TO, UH, REVAMP PEPPER SQUARE, THAT STOPPED ALL AT ONCE.

NEVER HEARD ANOTHER WORD ABOUT IT.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN MASTER PLAN CAME ABOUT AFTER A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WAS LEFT AND A NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CAME ON.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE ALL THESE APARTMENTS.

NOW, PEPPER SQUARE HAS BEEN A SHOPPING CENTER THAT I HAVE SHOPPED AT SINCE I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 25 YEARS.

IF YOU TAKE AWAY AND YOU SEE ALL THE RENDERINGS THAT MASTER PLAN HAS COME UP WITH, WITH PEPPER SQUARE, I WON'T SHOP THERE.

THERE WILL BE NO PARKING.

ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE LIVING THERE ARE GONNA BE SHOPPING THERE.

IF YOU LOOK BACK AT PRESTON, ROYAL PRESTON AND FOREST PRESTON AND 6 35 ALL THE WAY UP TO CAMPBELL, THERE ARE SHOPPING CENTERS.

IF YOU STOP AT BELTLINE, WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA GONNA SHOP? THANK YOU.

WITH ITS TOWERING BUILDINGS DOESN'T FIT.

BARBARA STONE.

67 18 ROLLING VISTA.

THE PLAN FOR PEPPER SQUARE

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IT'S OUT OF SYNC WITH EVERYTHING AROUND IT.

IF YOU DRIVE UP PRESTON ROAD FROM UPTOWN ALL THE WAY THROUGH PLANO, YOU'LL SEE LOTS OF SUCCESSFUL TWO STORY APARTMENTS OR SHOPPING, SORRY.

UH, SUCCESSFUL TWO STORY SHOPPING CENTERS.

THE MILLER REPRESENTATIVE TOLD US AT A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT THEY CANNOT MAKE MONEY UNLESS THIS PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED.

BUT ALL THOSE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS UP AND DOWN PRESTON, SEEM TO BE DOING FINE.

SO MAYBE SOMETHING IS MISSING IN THE MILLER COMPANY.

THIS PLAN IS OUT OF CHARACTER.

IT'S A MISFIT.

PLEASE DO NOT RECOMMEND IT.

PLEASE DO NOT REZONE FOR IT.

THE EMPTY VALLEY VIEW MALL AREA IS HUGE.

RESOLVE THE ISSUES AROUND IT AND BUILD A LOT OF HOUSES THERE.

THANK YOU, HIZA.

LEON FINKELSTEIN, 66 46 ORANGEWOOD DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 4 8.

MY WIFE WENDY AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE REZONING OF PEPPER SQUARE.

UH, AS OF NOW, WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN A RISE IN CRIME.

WE SEE A RISE IN TRAFFIC.

UH, AS SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER, MORNING TRAFFIC CAN GO BACK THREE OR FOUR LIGHTS BEFORE YOU CAN GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.

UH, WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, REVITALIZING THE AREA WITH MORE RESTAURANTS, CHILDREN, FRIENDLY AREAS, AND EVEN A BIGGER PLAYGROUND THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AT, UH, THE HILLCREST PLAZA.

UH, PLEASE VOTE NO FOR THE REZONING OF PEPPER SQUARE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

BEFORE I BEGIN, I HAVE A LETTER.

I WOULD LIKE TO DISTRIBUTE THAT ELABORATES IN GREATER DETAIL WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SPEAK.

THERE'S THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE IF YOU WANT TO RAISE THAT UP.

AS CONFIRMED BY MICHAEL MORRIS.

NO, THERE'S A BUTTON.

I AM JOHN HUNTINGTON.

14 3 20 HUGHES LANE AND I RESIDE DIRECTLY OFF OF PRESTON ROAD.

THE KIMLEY HORNED TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED.

IT RELIES ON MANIPULATED DATA AND METHODOLOGIES THAT UNDERMINE ITS CONCLUSIONS.

SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE UNFEASIBLE DUE TO EXISTING UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ON PRESTON ROAD.

THE LACK OF A FORMAL TIA FOR THE ALEXIS TANTE DEVELOPMENT RAISES MORE CONCERNS ABOUT THE STUDY'S DATA ACCURACY.

FURTHER, THE FLAWED DATA STUDY USES VEHICULAR COUNTS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH STANDARD URBAN PRACTICES THAT RELY ON AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC COUNTS.

THE STUDY EMITS FIVE YEARS OF TECH STOP DATA ENDING IN 2019 AND 2023 DATA IN ITS ENTIRETY.

THE DESIGN DOES NOT ELABORATE HOW EFFECTIVE TRANSIT ARCHITECTURE WILL SERVE TRIP GENERATIONS.

GIVEN THE FLAWED DATA AND METHODOLOGY AND INFEASIBLE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SAFETY REQUIREMENT RECOMMENDATIONS, I ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THE VALIDITY OF KIMLEY'S TIA STUDY THAT UNDERPINS THE CURRENT ZONING CASE AND THE SAFETY OF ALL COMMUNITY RESIDENTS.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS SUE BACH.

I LIVE AT 1 5 7 4 6 COVE WOOD CIRCLE.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT PEPPER SQUARE COMES AT A TIME WHEN CITY SERVICES ARE ALREADY STRETCHED THIN WITH EXISTING BROAD PROJECTS LIKE PRESTON DEL NORTE ADDING OVER 1,700 UNITS.

AND THE AREA SOUTH OF ALEXIS ALSO CONTRIBUTING HUNDREDS MORE.

ADDING A THOUSAND NEW UNITS OF PEPPER SQUARE WOULD STRAIN UTILITIES, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND SCHOOLS EVEN FURTHER.

FIRE AND POLICE SERVICES ARE ALREADY UNDER PRESSURE WITH RESPONSE TIMES EXPECTED TO INCREASE BEFORE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES CAN BE ALLOCATED.

ADDING MORE RESIDENTS WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THESE ISSUES AFFECTING THE QUALITY OF ESSENTIAL SERVICES.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE.

FROM FUTURE ENCROACHMENT OF INCOMPATIBLE

HI HONEY.

LEN 5 9 5 8 PRESTON VALLEY DRIVE, DALLAS, 7 5 2 4 0.

AS CITY OF DALLAS HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY TAXPAYERS, WE BOUGHT OUR HOMES WITH THE TRUST AND EXPECTATION THAT OUR DALLAS ZONING WAS A MEANS OF PROTECTING OUR HOMES AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

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LAND USES THE FUTURE IS NOW.

AND ALTHOUGH WE HAVE HELD UP OUR SIDE OF THIS BARGAIN BY CARING FOR OUR HOMES AND PROPERTY, PAYING OUR TAXES, OBEYING CITY ORDINANCES AND COMPLYING WITH THAT ZONING.

NOW THE ONUS IS UPON US TO FIGHT FOR OUR PROTECTION.

WE PAY THE CITY TO PROTECT US, NOT TO ENABLE OUR OPPONENTS.

UM, ERICA CHRISTENSEN, 73 10 CLIFF BROOK DRIVE.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO I ACTUALLY HAD TO CALL THE POLICE 'CAUSE THERE WAS A STRANGER LOOKING AT ME THROUGH MY WINDOW IN MY YARD.

AND THE TOOK THE POLICE 30 MINUTES TO GET HERE.

NOW YOU, UH, LAST WEEKEND I WAS AGAIN IN A SITUATION WHERE I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE I THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS ROBBING MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER CALLING THEM BECAUSE THEIR RESPONSE TIME IS SO BAD THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET HERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ADDING OVER 1500 DEPARTMENTS IS GOING TO HELP THE POLICE RESPONSE TIME, BUT I IMAGINE IT PROBABLY WON'T REALLY HELP.

SO THANK YOU.

I'M JOSH SPALDING, 67 63 HILLWOOD LANE.

I'M JUST GONNA CUT THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I WAS ALREADY GONNA TALK ABOUT 'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE DENSITY AT THIS LOCATION.

AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THERE'S GONNA BE 2000 APARTMENTS ON ONE SIDE, MAYBE 500 ON ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT REALLY, THAT'S JUST GOING TO INCREASE THE NEED FOR RETAIL IN THAT AREA.

AND THE POLICE AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD ON THIS WOULD NOT GUARANTEE THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD ADEQUATELY PROTECT US IF THIS, IF THIS, UH, IF THIS ACTUALLY DID INCREASE.

BUT I THINK THE WORST THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETING WAS WHEN THE DEVELOPER CLAIMED THAT MORE DENSITY AND MORE TRAFFIC MEANT LESS TRAFFIC, WHICH IS ABOUT AS BELIEVABLE AS THE COWBOYS GO INTO THE SUPER BOWL .

NOW, THAT WAS A LOW BLOW, SIR.

MY NAME IS STAN POMERANTZ, UH, 58 40 ENCORE DRIVE.

I WANNA SPEAK TO SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN ENOUGH EMPHASIS.

I'VE LIVED IN THE AREA OVER 20 YEARS, ONCE ON HUGHES LANE AND NOW IN THE ENCORE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PRESTON ROAD IN THE TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN.

BUT I NEED TO ATTEST TO YOU THAT IT'S ONLY BEEN IN THE PAST YEAR THAT WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE GRIDLOCK ON PRESTON ROAD.

AND WHEN I SAY GRIDLOCK, YOU SEE SOLID CARS FOR FOUR BLOCKS BETWEEN SPRING VALLEY AND ALPHA.

WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT OF PRESTON DEL NORTE.

WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT OF TANTE.

THOSE AREN'T BUILT YET.

BELIEVE ME, THE TRAFFIC WILL BE SO DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH.

IT WILL MAKE LIVING IN DALLAS NOT THE PLACE TO BE.

COMMUNITY'S UNIQUE CHARACTER.

COOKIE PEDEN 71 11 DEBBIE DRIVE, DALLAS 7 5 2 5 2.

I ALSO SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD ALLIANCE.

SINCE HENRY MILLER FIRST ANNOUNCED HIS INTENT TO REZONE PEPPER SQUARE.

RESIDENTS HAVE LISTENED AND THEY'VE RAISED THEIR CONCERNS.

IN ADDITION, SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS ARE IN ADDITION TO APPROXIMATELY 1500 UNITS, THERE'S ALREADY 2300 THAT ARE PLANNED FOR THAT AREA AND APPROVED.

TWO, THEY DESIRE TO RETAIN THE, THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE RETAIL SHOPPING.

THAT'S AVAILABLE THERE AND ADD TO IT WITH BETTER QUALITY.

THEY ALSO WANT TO THE HEIGHT OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS TO BE LIMITED SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING TOWERED AND INCONGRUENT WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE PLAN THAT I'VE READ TODAY DOES NOT INTEGRATE ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE RAISED OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.

I URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS AND NOT GIVE CARTE BLANCHE TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PD CONDITIONS THAT THEY WERE TOLD.

WERE GOING TO BE THERE.

MY NAME IS BOB ANO AND I'M A 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF 62 22 LIBERTY HILL AND THE PROPOSED HIGH DENSITY APARTMENT COMPLEX AT PEPPER SQUARE, INCLUDING HIGH RISE BUILDINGS ARE FUNDAMENTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH OUR NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOOD'S NEEDS OR VALUES.

WE SUPPORT REVITALIZATION, BUT BELIEVE IT SHOULD ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE RESIDENTS AND PRESERVE OUR

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THIS PROPOSAL FAILS TO DO SO AND SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

YOU CAN PULL THAT DOWN IF YOU NEED TO.

DR.

SHARON SPALDING.

72 30 LEE MEADOW DRIVE.

I HAVE LIVED IN THE ONLY HOUSE MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE EVER OWNED.

DURING THAT TIME, I HAVE SEEN PRESTONWOOD SHOPPING CENTER CHANGE FROM AN UPSCALE RETAIL SPACE TO A DOWNSCALE RETAIL SPACE.

I HAVE SEEN HILLCREST VILLAGE PROJECT CHANGE HANDS TO DEVELOPERS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE AREA BUILDING A POPULAR AND SUCCESSFUL RETAIL SPACE THAT FITS WELL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOW, 91% OF THE 23 HOAS HAVE MADE THEIR DECISION FOR PEPPER SQUARE DEVELOPMENT.

THEIR FEEDBACK IS THAT PEPPER SQUARE SHOULD BE AN UPSCALE SPACE WHERE NEIGHBORS COULD DINE AND SHOP.

WE ANTICIPATED THAT PRESTON AND BELTLINE WOULD MIRROR PRESTON AND ROYAL AND PRESTON AND FOREST.

WE FEEL THAT IT IS YOUR ROLE TO LISTEN AND TO JOIN FORCES WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.

ISN'T THAT YOUR JOB? THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

HELLO.

I'M JAN KANER.

I LIVE AT 1 5 6 11 OVER MEAD CIRCLE, AND I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE FOR 50 YEARS.

I'VE SEEN A LOT.

I'VE SEEN THREE BIG SHOPPING MALLS BUILT AND TWO OF 'EM TORN DOWN.

I'VE SEEN PRESTON ROAD GO FROM A LITTLE SMALL LITTLE ROAD THAT WENT OUT TO THE COUNTRY TO WHAT IT IS TODAY, WHICH IS AWFUL.

I DON'T DRIVE ON PRESTON ROAD NOW.

I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF ALL OF THIS IS BUILT IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND THERE'S SO MANY RAMIFICATIONS.

THIS COULD BE A, A JEWEL FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, ONLY IF HENRY S. MILLER COULD BE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH THE AREA AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY COULD BENEFIT FROM.

AND THERE'S SO MANY RAMIFICATIONS.

THE SCHOOL IN THAT AREA CURRENTLY HAS 1100 STUDENTS AND 20 PORTABLE BUILDINGS.

AS A FORMER PRINCIPAL, THAT'S ABHORRENT.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MY NAME IS MARILYN MOORE.

I LIVE AT 74 38 LINWORTH DRIVE.

TRANSPARENCY IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS IS VITAL FOR GAINING COMMUNITY TRUST AND SUPPORT.

THE LACK OF REFERENCE TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT IN THE PROVIDED MATERIALS IS TROUBLING.

WE REQUEST THAT ANY SUCH ASSESSMENTS BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT SUFFICIENT TIME IS GIVEN FOR REVIEW AND OUT INPUT.

OUR COMMUNITY'S WELLBEING DEPENDS ON INFORMED AND TRANSPARENT DECISIONS.

WE HOPE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO ACHIEVE THE BEST OUTCOMES FOR PEPPER SQUARE.

HI, MY NAME IS RUFUSS VERNON.

I LIVE AT 73 36 HEATHER MOORE DRIVE.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR THE LAST 43 YEARS, AND WE ARE ADAMANTLY AGAINST THE REZONING REQUEST.

WHEN WE MOVED INTO OUR HOUSE, WE EXPECTED THERE WAS GONNA BE CHANGES IN THE RETAIL BUSINESSES AND GROWTH AND A LITTLE BIT, UH, HEAVIER TRAFFIC.

BUT TO US, THIS RECOMMENDATION BY HENRY S. MILLER IS COMPLETELY OVER THE TOP AND DEFIES COMMON SENSE.

WE'VE BENEFITED IN RECENT YEARS FROM WHAT YOU GUYS, I THINK REFER TO AS HILLCREST VILLAGE GREEN.

THE CITY BUILT A PARK.

THERE'S SOME THRIVING, UH, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS AROUND IT.

THERE IS ONE RESTAURANT THAT HAS LEFT, BUT, UH, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING MORE LIKE THAT WITHOUT THE 984 UNITS AND TO THE HENRY S. MILLER PEOPLE.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR GRIEVANCES AND, UH, WE COUNT ON YOUR REPUTATION AS INVOLVED FOR 100 YEARS IN DALLAS TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND WORK WITH OUR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION.

THAT YOU ALL ARE A BUNCH OF PROFESSIONALS AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT.

PETER LARSON, 1 5 6 3 1 KINGS CREST CIRCLE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I'VE BEEN IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FOR 25 YEARS.

THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS

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YOU ALL ARE PROS.

THIS DEAL DOESN'T HUNT.

AS SOME OF YOU ARE ARCHITECTS, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO.

THIS DEAL DOESN'T HUNT THE THE, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

I MEAN, THE THE PERSON WHO'S GONNA LIVE IN UNIT 8 0 5 IN THE TOP OF THIS THING, DO YOU THINK THAT PERSON REALLY CARES ABOUT DALLAS? THEY DON'T CARE.

LASTLY, YOU AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE DALLAS.

NOT NOW IN 10 YEARS.

WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT, SIR? WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS? AND YOU KNOW, THIS DEAL DOES NOT HUNT.

THANKS, SPEAKER, PLEASE.

GWEN MOORE, 7 2 3 1 TANGLE GLEN DRIVE.

I HAVE LIVED NEAR PEPPER SQUARE FOR 40 YEARS AND KNOW IT WELL.

THE HENRY S. MILLER PROPOSAL IS OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT MANY OF US CALL HOME.

DURING THE LAST FEW MONTHS, GREG MILLER HAS BEEN PRETENDING TO COMPROMISE ALL WHILE GIVING US THE SAME TALL RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDING OVER AND OVER AND OVER WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LIPSTICK APPLIED THIS TIME.

THE REALITY IS THE DEVELOPER GREW UP IN HIGHLAND PARK.

HE'S CLUELESS ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR IN FAR NORTH DALLAS.

HE'S PROVEN THAT BY WILLFULLY NEGLECTING PEPPER SQUARE FOR MANY YEARS.

UM, HIS GRANDDADDY, THE LATE HENRY S. MILLER WAS WONDERFUL AND HE WAS CREDITED WITH PIONEERING THE MODERN DAY SHOPPING CENTER.

HE WAS REASONABLE AND BELIEVED IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOW, HIS GRANDSON, AFTER FAILING TO EFFECTIVELY RUN PEPPER SQUARE, EXPECT YOU TO GIVE HIM THE KEYS TO A BIG SHINY NEW APARTMENT BUILDING ONE THAT WILL CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOREVER.

AND HE'S NOT GONNA STOP THERE.

HE INHERITED LOTS OF PROPERTY IN NORTH DALLAS.

YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT HE THANK YOU.

TIME IS UP.

HE'S ENTITLED TO NEXT.

UH, IT'S STEVEN NORD, SETH 14 2 20 HUGHES LANE.

ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUSLY STATED CONCERNS, MY OPPOSITION ALSO INVOLVES INVASION OF PRIVACY FROM MY BACKYARD.

I CAN SEE THE CELL PHONE TOWER IN THE PEPPER SQUARE PARKING LOT ACCORDING TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT LEE CLIMAN PRESENTED.

THAT CELL PHONE TOWER IS AT THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE PROPOSED FIVE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.

AND THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER EQUALS THE HEIGHT OF THE FIVE STORY BUILDING.

PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE UPPER FLOORS OF THIS PROPOSED BUILDING WILL HAVE A DIRECT VIEW INTO MY BACK OF MY HOUSE AS WELL INTO THE POOL AREA WHERE MY GRANDCHILDREN PLAY.

I SUSPECT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE 12 STORY TOWER WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE SIMILAR VIEWS INTO MY PROPERTY.

I BOUGHT MY HOME PART IN PART BECAUSE OF THE PRIVATE SETTING.

I HAVE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE OF ME THAT WILL HAVE THE SAME PRIVACY CONCERN.

SHOULD THIS GO FORWARD, PLEASE DENY, DENY THIS ZONING REQUEST TO PROTECT OUR PRIVACY.

AND I'VE GOT A GRAPHIC THAT CAN BE PASSED ALONG THAT SHOWS MY BACK VIEW BEFORE AND AFTER.

NATALIE LEVE, 6 2 1 5 GEORGIAN COURT.

UM, SINCE I DIDN'T HEAR IT FROM THE APPLICANT, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING APARTMENTS HERE.

THE PLAN IS FOR LUXURY APARTMENTS AND WE WERE TOLD AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR 33 YEAR OLDS WHO MAKE 117,000 OR MORE, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M IN THAT AGE RANGE AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AGE WANTING TO LIVE NEXT TO HOBBY LOBBY IN NORTH DALLAS, .

BUT I DIGRESS.

THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, I DON'T BELIEVE MAKES ANY SENSE.

AS A MOM, I CAN TELL YOU I'M NOT GONNA PARK IN A GARAGE, DRAG THREE KIDS IN A STROLLER INTO AN UNSHADED FIELD, DOESN'T HAVE A DOG PARK, DOESN'T HAVE A PLAYGROUND.

I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT CONCEPT IS.

UM, I AM CONCERNED THAT THAT AREA WOULD ATTRACT OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS.

AND FINALLY, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT WE ARE LOSING VITAL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

THE TRAMPOLINE PARK IS A HAVEN IN A HUNDRED.

AND DO NOT WANT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.

Y'ALL ALREADY KNOW WHO IT IS.

DAMIEN LEVEQUE, 62 15 GEORGIAN COURT.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY HERE WHO SHOWED UP TO SHOW OPPOSITION.

SECONDLY, YOU MAY KNOW ME BECAUSE I MADE THE VIDEOS ABOUT OUR D 11 COUNCILWOMAN THAT YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

HSM HAS MADE NO MEANINGFUL CONCESSIONS OR CHANGES TO THEIR PLAN, DESPITE THE EFFORTS OF THE COMMUNITY TO COLLABORATE AND SHARE WHAT THEY WANT

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PER THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, THE 91% OF OPPOSITION IN THAT SURVEY THAT YOU HEARD IS ACTUALLY TRUE TODAY.

YOU'VE HEARD THE PEOPLE'S OPPOSITION, YOU'VE HEARD THEIR ARGUMENTS AGAINST PEPPER SQUARE.

AND I'M HERE TO REMIND YOU THAT UNLIKE HSM, YOU WORK FOR US.

YOU ARE NOT A RUBBER STAMP COMMITTEE.

YOU, IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO PLEASURE GREEDY DEVELOPERS BY APPROVING EVERY ONE OF THEIR ZONING REQUESTS.

IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.

WILL YOU LISTEN TO THEM AND DENY THIS APPLICATION? I ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU DO NOT AND YOU HAVE ANY POLITICAL, UH, POLITICAL AMBITIONS, PEPPER SQUARE WILL BE THE WART ON YOUR PROVERBIAL REAR ENDS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE HAVE YOU LOWER THIS.

OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T THINK ATTACKS ON THIS COMMISSION ARE APPROPRIATE.

HELLO, IS IT ON? HI, I AM SANDY HALLAM.

I'M AT 68 29 HILLWOOD LANE.

I WORK FROM HOME WITH A VERY LARGE WINDOW IN THE FRONT.

I OFTEN LOOK OUT AND WHAT I SEE IS PARENTS WALKING THEIR KIDS TO AND FROM THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

I ALSO SEE A LOT OF KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKES AND PLAYING OUTSIDE.

I ALSO WALK MY DOG OUTSIDE AND UP AND DOWN THIS THING, UP AND DOWN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS WITH ALL THE ADDED TRAFFIC GOING IN, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ALL THOSE THROUGH STREETS IN THE NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THESE KIDS AND THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE I'M WORRIED THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE INCREASING THESE THREE STREETS ALREADY.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CARS SPEEDING THROUGH AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY VALID CONCERN THAT I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER.

MY NAME'S CURTIS MOORE.

I LIVE AT 72 31 TANGO GLEN.

AND MAYBE I'M THE LAST ONE SPEAKING, UH, TODAY.

BUT I, FIRST OFF, I WANTED TO THANK EACH ONE OF YOU THAT'S HERE, EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

I'VE SEEN EACH ONE OF YOU BE ENGAGED AND LISTENING TO MY NEIGHBORS, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH THAT I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU CAN TELL FROM ALL OF US HERE.

AND I'D LIKE EVERYONE, AS SANDY SAID, TO PLEASE STAND UP IF YOU ARE OPPOSED TO, TO WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MESSAGES OR MEMORIES I WOULD LIKE YOU TO HAVE FROM US TALKING TODAY.

THIS IS A LARGE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT CAME DOWN HERE TO OPPOSE THIS, BUT I, I, I WOULD ALSO WANT TO DO WHAT SANDY SAID AND, AND SUGGEST THAT YOU GUYS TABLE THIS MORE TIME TO TALK WITH HENRY S. MILLER.

MAYBE THERE CAN BE SOME MORE COMPROMISE.

HENRY S. MILLER HAS ALREADY DONE SOME COMPROMISING AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO VOTE TODAY NECESSARILY, BUT TO THINK ABOUT IT MORE.

ALSO, I'D LIKE TO EACH ONE OF YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IF THIS WAS GOING ON IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

SORRY YOU ALLOWED .

GOOD JOB.

HELLO, I'M MATT HANER, UH, 1 3 5 2 FITZ PLACE.

UH, I THINK I'M IN THE MINORITY HERE.

I REALLY, UH, SUPPORT THIS, UM, REZONING.

I THINK, UH, DALLAS NEEDS FOLKS.

EVERYONE WAS RESPECTFUL WHEN YOU SPOKE.

LET'S PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF THE SPEAKER.

I APPRECIATE IT.

YEAH, I, UH, SUPPORT THIS.

I KNOW I'M IN THE MINORITY.

UM, I THINK MOST PEOPLE THAT WOULD SUPPORT THIS ARE PROBABLY NOT ABLE OR DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT HERE ON A 3:00 PM ON A THURSDAY AND VOICE THEIR SUPPORT FOR, UH, LIVING IN AN APARTMENT.

I THINK MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE PROBABLY COULDN'T AFFORD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN DALLAS.

UH, I VISITED PEPPER SQUARE A LOT OF TIMES.

UM, IT'S A PRETTY SAD, EMPTY PARKING LOT IN MY OPINION.

I THINK IT WOULD, UH, BENEFIT FROM HOUSING SOME PEOPLE.

AND I THINK, UH, DALLAS HAS NOT DONE GROWING.

I THINK, UM, OUR CITY IS NOT FULL AND WE SHOULD BE BUILDING HOUSES FOR MORE PEOPLE TO MOVE TO THE CITY.

HELLO EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINA OTEGI.

I PERSONALLY, UM, BELIEVE THAT PEPPER SQUARE CORNER WITH BENEFIT FROM REVITALIZATION WHILE PEPPER SQUARE SHOPPING CENTER SHOULD ONLY REMO REMAIN SOLELY COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACE.

I MOVED WITH MY FAMILY TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I LOVED EVERYTHING IT OFFERED A, I WANT MY KIDS TO BE SURROUNDED BY COOL PLACES LIKE URBAN AIR TRADER JOE'S.

SO I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD STAY THE WAY IT IS.

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THIS IS EMBARRASSING.

I'M REALLY THIS TALL, BUT WHAT THE HECK? GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS JACK COX.

I'M, UH, THE PRESIDENT OF THE ESTATES WEST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, A COMMUNITY OF 640 HOMES LOCATED NOT FAR FROM PEPPER SQUARE.

UH, WE'RE ALSO LOCATED IN DISTRICTS 11 AND 12.

AND I DIDN'T TELL YOU MY ADDRESS IS 76 58 EL PENDO DRIVE.

ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S HOUSING DEPARTMENT, DISTRICTS 10 AND 12 HAVE MORE APARTMENT DENSITY THAN ANY OTHER DISTRICTS IN THIS CITY.

THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER 984 UNITS TO PEPPER SQUARE ALONG WITH THE NEARLY 3000 THAT HAVE YET TO BE BUILT BUT ALREADY APPROVED CLOSE BY IS UNACCEPTABLE.

IT'S NOT APARTMENTS OR THEIR OCCUPANTS THAT WE OPPOSE, BUT RATHER THE BURDEN OF ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT WILL ADD MORE CONGESTION TO ONE OF THE WORST AND MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN THE CITY AND FURTHER TAXING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, EXCUSE ME, AND SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.

PLEASE SUPPORT HOMEOWNERS THAT STAND TO LOSE THE MOST IN THIS REZONING REQUEST.

THERE'S A SMALL SAMPLE OF THANK YOU, SIR.

YOUR TIME, SIR.

STANDING BEHIND ME.

BRITTANY LOMBARDI, 67 28 BRIAR COVE.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING TODAY ABOUT WHY PEPPER SQUARE NEEDS TO BE REZONED.

I SEE A PROPOSAL.

IT HAS GARNERED A TON OF BACKLASH FOR GOOD REASONS AND NO EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THIS PROPERTY DESERVES TO BE REZONED.

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT? THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

THE PARTY REQUESTING THE REZONING HAS TO MAKE A CASE FOR WHY THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE REZONED.

IT'S NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

IT'S NOTABLE THE DEPTH AND THE OPPOSITION IN.

IT'S NOTABLE THAT DEPTH OF THE OPPOSITION'S COMMENTS AND THE LACK OF DEPTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND MASTER PLAN PROVIDED IN THEIR COMMENTS.

HERE TODAY, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS NOT MET ITS BURDEN TO SUPPORT THEIR REQUEST AND THE APPLICATION SHOULD BE DENIED.

MIKE HOOK, 2 23 50 VALLEY HASSEL DRIVE IN AMERICA, LEGITIMATE AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS, CITY, COUNTY, STATE, AND FEDERAL.

FOLLOW AND DO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE THAT IS A BASIC TENANT OF AMERICA.

ILLEGITIMATE ROGUE GOVERNMENTS, CITY, COUNTY, STATE, AND FEDERAL.

DO NOT DO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD? YES MA'AM.

HI, TERRY BANNER, UM, 6,008 HIGH PLACE CIRCLE.

I LIVE IN REGENCY PLACE AND FOR ANYBODY THAT MAY NOT KNOW THAT AREA, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND HOW IT'S GONNA INCREASE.

AND SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE SAYING, WE'LL JUST TAKE ANOTHER ROAD.

REGENCY PLACE HAS AN ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT ON EACH SIDE THAT BOTH LEAD TO PRESTON.

WE, WE CAN'T AVOID PRESTON TO COMING IN AND GOING OUT.

AND EVERY DAY WE TAKE OUR LIFE AND OUR OWN HANDS TRYING TO GET ACROSS PRESTON TO JUST TO GO ANYWHERE.

SO IT'S SCARY.

THERE'S NO STOPLIGHTS, THERE'S NO STOP SIGNS, THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO PROTECT US.

AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 12 YEARS.

I'VE GROWN UP IN DALLAS.

I'VE SEEN HOW THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN REALLY DO ABOUT IT.

BUT WE'RE HERE TO VOICE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT FOR OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE HENRY IS, MILLER WANTS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.

AMEN.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD EITHER IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION? WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY.

WE HAVE MR. DE BRUIN ONLINE, NOT LINE.

HOW ABOUT, UH, MS. CHEN, DID YOU ALREADY SPEAK? SHE'S ON THERE.

SHE'S ON THERE.

MS. CHEN, MS. CHEN, IF WE CAN, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON.

HI EVERYONE.

UH, MY NAME IS CAROL CHEN AND I LOOK, ASK MS. CHEN, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERA IS, IS ON AND WORKING STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE, WE HAVE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

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IS IT WORKING NOW? YES.

I CAN SEE YOU NOW.

NO MULTI-FAMILY HOMES, PLEASE.

UM, MY NAME IS CAROL CHEN.

I LIVE AT 68 10 HARVEST GLEN DRIVE.

AND I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE VISION OF MULTI-FAMILY HOMES IN THIS AREA.

THE PROPOSED HIGH DENSITY IS A HUGE PROBLEM, NOT TO MENTION, WE ALL KNOW THAT PRESTON AND BELINE HAS ALREADY BEEN RENTED AS A SECOND BUS INTERSECTION IN DALLAS.

AND WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECTS, WE ARE LOOKING AT HANDICAPPED TRAFFIC OVER CROWDED SCHOOLS, STRENGTH PUBLIC SERVICES, AND THE VERY, UM, UM, AND THE VERY LIKELIHOOD OF INCREASED CRIME RATES.

WE WANT TO REVITALIZE THE PEPPER SQUARE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE IN LINE WITH THE UNIQUE CHARACTERS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENT SHOULD BE OF OUTMOST IMPORTANCE.

HOW ABOUT, UH, CATHERINE CHU? YEAH.

HI GUYS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

CATHERINE 2 62 0 MEADOW CREEK.

OKAY, PERFECT.

MY PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS AND I ALL BOUGHT AND LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS NEAR PEPPER SQUARE.

WE ARE ALL DEEPLY CONCERNED.

THE DEVELOPER HSM SPECIALIZES IN COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE AND MEDICAL SPACES, NOT MIXED USE.

MULTI-FAMILY HOME IS A NEW LINE OF BUSINESS FOR HIM.

A NEW VENTURE AS THEY LIKE TO CLAIM ON THEIR WEBSITE.

THEY ARE TREATING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE AN EXPERIMENT.

HSM CLAIMS THAT THEY CANNOT LEASE THE SPACE AND HAVE ONLY 40% OCCUPANCY.

HOWEVER, THEY ONLY HAVE FOUR SPACES AVAILABLE TO LEASE.

WHAT IS IT? HOW CAN INTERESTED PARTIES LEASE WHEN MOST OF THE AVAILABLE SPACES AREN'T EVEN LISTED? THEY'RE BLATANT.

MISMANAGEMENT AND MISREPRESENTATION DOES NOT PROMOTE TRUST IN OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR NEIGHBORHOODS CANNOT SUPPORT ADDITIONAL DENSITY.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT TRAFFIC LIGHTS, IT'S ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICES.

OUR SCHOOL AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

I HAVE COWORKERS WHO ARE ONCE EAGER TO BUY IN THIS AREA, WORRIED THAT THESE PROJECTS WILL JUST TURN INTO RUBBLE.

THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY BROKEN PROMISES BY DEVELOPERS.

YOUR TIME.

IS THAT REPRESENTATIVE? THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

IS, UH, MS. SIMMONS ONLINE? THE CAMERA, THE MAIN FEED.

THE CAMERA.

THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM.

VICE CHAIR RUBIN, WE'LL GO VICE FOLLOW BY COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT.

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SO, UH, BACK BEFORE WHEN YOU HAVE THE TECHNICAL PROBLEMS, I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE CELL TOWER NEAR THE HOBBY LOBBY.

AND THAT IS TECHNICALLY NOT WITHIN THE AREA OF REQUEST, IT'S JUST THE SOUTH OF IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THE HEIGHT OF THAT IS ROUGHLY 90 FEET? CORRECT.

UM, WHAT IS THE PROXIMITY OF THAT CELL TOWER TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL AREA? IT WOULD BE ACROSS AN ALLEY, UH, AN ALLEYWAY FOR FROM PHASE ONE.

SO PHASE ONE HAS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 75 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE LOWER THAN THE CELL TOWER.

UM, IT'S ROUGHLY A HUNDRED, 200 FEET FROM PHASE P, WHICH IS THE FA THE PHASE FRONTING PRESTON ROAD.

UH, WHICH THEN HAS THE HIGHER TALLER HEIGHT OF 165 FEET MAXIMUM.

SO WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, UH, YOU COULD BE TALKING ABOUT MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY.

SO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL FROM THE CELL TOWER, IF YOU DREW A LINE, UH, YOU, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BE CROSSING BELTLINE ROAD TO MULTIFAMILY.

MY MY GUESS IS THAT'S PROBABLY FOUR TO 500 FEET FROM THE CELL TOWER.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH HAD COMMENTS ABOUT THE CELL TOWER.

UM, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CELL TOWER IN THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH? TO THE SOUTH, I WOULD ESTIMATE ABOUT A THOUSAND TO 1500 FEET.

AND WHAT'S CLOSER TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH? THIS CELL TOWER OR THIS PHASE P PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WITH A MAX HEIGHT OF ONE CELL CELL TOWER.

CELL TOWER CELL TOWER.

AND HOW FAR IS THAT PHASE P FROM THAT SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH? ADD, ADD THE THREE? YEAH, ABOUT 1800 FEET OR SO.

JUST WANNA WALK THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND IT.

SO ORIGINALLY THE, THE AREA OF REQUEST WAS LARGER, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

IT INCLUDED THE HOBBY LOBBY AND TRADER JOE'S SITE, WHICH ALSO HAS A FEW OTHER RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE RESTAURANTS.

HOW BIG IS THAT PORTION? NEARLY EIGHT ACRES.

EIGHT ACRES.

AND WHY, WHY DID, WHY DID THE APPLICANT DECIDE TO REMOVE THAT EIGHT ACRE PORTION FROM THE, THE REQUEST? TH THAT EIGHT ACRE PORTION WAS REMOVED? UH, SO WE COULD ENSURE RETAIL WOULD REMAIN ON THE SITE, UM, AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

SO THE TRADER JOE'S AND HOBBY LOBBY, UH, STORES IN PARTICULAR WERE BOTH VERY, UM, IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE TOOK THAT PIECE OUT OF THE REZONING REQUEST.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE PART OF A LARGER MIXED USE DI DISTRICT, UH, AND DEVELOPED AT A LATER DATE, BUT WE AGREED TO TAKE THAT OUT TO PRESERVE THAT RETAIL, UH, ZONING.

AND DOES THAT, SO WOULD THAT STAY AS COMMUNITY RETAIL? CORRECT.

WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW RESIDENTIAL.

WHAT WAS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THAT EIGHT ACRE PORTION TO THE SOUTH? OR DENSITY OR NUMBER OF UNITS ROUGHLY? IT, I THINK, UM, IT WAS STILL PROPOSED TO BE, UH, ABOUT 700 UNITS AND IT WOULD BE A LATER PHASE AS THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

AND THE IDEA WAS STILL TO HAVE THE MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION AS WELL.

UM, BUT THEN THAT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.

AND WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST ON HEIGHT? THE, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST ON HEIGHT, UM, IF WE'RE STARTING AT THE VERY BEGINNING WAS, UH, MU THREE.

SO THAT'S, UH, I BELIEVE 290 FEET, UH, IS WHAT THE MU THREE ZONING WOULD ALLOW.

I MAY HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL GIVE MY COLLEAGUES A OPPORTUNITY TO ASK OTHER QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER FORESITE.

MY, IS YOUR MIC YOUR MIC? THERE ARE THREE PHASES TO THE PROJECT, RIGHT? PHASE ONE, PHASE P AND PHASE N.

SO WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR EACH PHASE OF THE PROJECT? I UNDERSTAND IT'S WHAT, WHAT, 10 YEARS TOTAL? YES.

AND IF I MAY, UM, I CAN SHOW A VISUAL, UH, TO HELP WITH THIS DISCUSSION.

SOME RETAIL FRONTING THE INTERIOR OF YOUR DRIVEWAY THAT YOU SEE THERE.

OKAY, SO HERE'S, HERE'S AN OUTLINE.

THIS IS OVERLAID ON OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND COLOR CODED, UH, TO, TO MAKE THINGS EASIER, UH, JUST TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH OUR PHASING PROCESS OF THIS.

SO THE ORANGE, UH, PHASE ONE IS OUR PHASE ONE BUILDING THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BE OUR FIRST PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S A MIXED USE, UM, DEVELOPMENT WITH

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AND THEN WE'D HAVE, UH, WALKUP UNITS, FRONTING BELTLINE ROAD IN ADDITION TO PHASE ONE'S CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS ALSO TIED TO THE TWO OPEN SPACE AREAS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.

OPEN SPACE A, OPEN SPACE B, THOSE ARE REQUIRED TO BE DEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH PHASE ONE.

SO THAT'S REALLY PHASE ONE IS PHASE ONE PLUS THE TWO OPEN SPACE AREAS IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE PHASE P, AND THAT'S THE, UH, MOST DENSE OF THE THREE DEVELOPMENT PHASES, UM, I'LL CALL THEM.

UH, AND THEN LASTLY WOULD BE PHASE N, UH, WHICH IS STANDS FOR NORTH PHASE P STANDS FOR PRESTON.

UH, PHASE N WOULD IN ALL LIKELIHOOD BE DEVELOPED LAST AND BE THE, YOU KNOW, FINAL, UH, TIE ON THE PROJECT.

AND YOU, TO YOUR, TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION AS FAR AS TIMELINE GOES, UM, WE'D LOOK TO START PHASE ONE, UH, RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

THAT'S STILL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS OUT TO BREAK GROUND, GET THROUGH PERMITTING AND ALL OF THAT.

UM, AND THEN PHASE P, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON, UH, HOW PHASE ONE, UM, IS, IS WORKING OR IF THERE'S TWEAKS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.

PHASE P WOULD HAPPEN ABOUT, I'D SAY FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS LATER.

AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, UH, WITHIN 10 YEARS OR SO WOULD BE PHASE N.

SO THIS IS A LONG-TERM PROJECT.

IT'S A LOT OF, UM, WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS TO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S TAILORED CORRECTLY.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, OUR CURRENT, UH, PHASING ITERATION.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY OVER THESE PAST TWO YEARS, AND YOU STARTED WITH A PROPOSAL FOR WHAT, 2,500 UNITS AND THEN YOU WENT DOWN TO 1550 AND NOW YOU'RE, YOU, I UNDERSTAND LAST WEEK YOU CAME BACK WITH A A, A REVISION DOWN TO 968 UNITS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, UM, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND WITH THAT REDUCTION, UH, TO 9 68, DOES THAT IMPACT AT ALL ON THE HEIGHT OF ANY OF THE THREE PHASES, PARTICULARLY PHASE P WITH THE 12 STORY YOU RESPONDED? UH, LET ME, LET ME GET A LITTLE BIT OF THIS.

SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND, AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

UM, PART OF OUR ONGOING DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THIS ZONING CASE IS WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT AN MU THREE DISTRICT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE HIGHEST DENSITY OF, UH, RESTAURANT RETAIL OFFICE RESIDENTIAL IN ONE SPOT.

IT BECAME APPARENT THAT WE NEEDED TO CUT THAT DENSITY, WHICH WE DID, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A YEAR OR SO AFTER.

AND THEN WE'VE SUBSEQUENTLY CUT THAT DENSITY DOWN TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.

AS FAR AS THE HEIGHTS GO.

WE ALSO MET WITH A WORKING GROUP, YOU HEARD FROM TWO OF THE THREE MEMBERS OF THAT WORKING GROUP TODAY, UH, TO COME UP WITH A REASONABLE HEIGHT PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT IS PRESENTED TODAY.

AND THAT THOSE HEIGHTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN THE PD CURRENTLY LIMIT PHASE ONE AND PHASE N, WHICH ARE THE CLOSER, UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO WAYS TO GET TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FROM OUR CURRENT SITE, BUT THOSE ARE THE CLOSEST TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

THOSE TWO PHASES, PHASE ONE AND PHASE N ARE CAPPED AT FIVE STORIES WHERE PHASE P UH, ALLOWS UP TO 12 STORIES.

AND A QUICK NOTE ON WHERE WE GOT TO 12 STORIES, UM, CADDY CORNER FROM PHASE P IS SIGNATURE POINT, UH, AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING ROUGHLY 12 STORIES, UH, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE WE HAVE THE IMPETUS OF, UH, WHAT THAT HEIGHT WOULD BE AND NOT BEING TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE AREA.

UM, AS FAR AS THE REDUCTION IN HEIGHT TO, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OUR PROPOSAL, UH, DOES TO THE REDUCTION IN DENSITY, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO KEEP A COMPONENT OF PHASE P TO HAVE HEIGHT BECAUSE THAT LENDS ITSELF TOWARDS MAKING IT MORE FIN FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO HAVE RETIREMENT HOUSING UNITS TO HAVE MORE LUXURY UNITS, UM, AND MAKE THE PROJECT PENCIL POSSIBLY WITH LESS DENSITY IF WE HAVE THOSE HEIGHTS.

UM, PHASE P IS REALLY THE, UH, CENTERPIECE OF THIS PROPOSAL.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF UPFRONT COSTS AND, UM, AMENITIES THAT WE ARE PROVIDING WITH THE TWO OPEN SPACE AREAS IN ADDITION TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, SURROUNDING THE SITE AND HOW, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, PLEASE, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UH, THE PROFILE OF THE 12 STORY BUILDINGS THAT WOULD GO ON PHASE P, OF COURSE, IF, IF YOU LOSE THE NUMBER OF UNITS, YOUR, YOUR UNITS ARE EITHER GONNA GET LARGER OR IF THEY STAY THE SAME, THE PROFILE OF YOUR BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SORT OF NARROWER, UH, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, MORE SQUARE LIKE AND LESS RECTANGULAR.

SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WITH THE REDUCTION OF DENSITY TO 9 84 FROM 1550, THAT, UH, OUR BUILDINGS WILL HAVE, UH, A, A, A SORT OF A TALLER LOOKING PROFILE, BUT BE THE SAME HEIGHT BECAUSE THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE NARROWER.

THEY'LL, YOU'LL SEE BETWEEN THEM BETTER.

SO THERE'LL BE NARROWER,

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BUT JUST AS HIGH.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA REDUCE THE HEIGHT.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA, I'M SORRY, MR. YOU, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNITS FROM, UH, 1500 TO NINE 60 TO, TO, TO ECHO WHAT ANDREW SAID, UH, THE, THE PREMIUMS THAT PEOPLE PAY FOR VIEWS REALLY MATTER TO OUR PROPOSAL.

AND SO IF WE, IF PEOPLE, IF PEOPLE ARE, IF PE IF PEOPLE ARE, IF, IF PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, OWNING A CONDOMINIUM ON THE 12TH FLOOR, OKAY, THEN WE CAN AFFORD TO BUILD A CONDOMINIUM.

YOU, YOU WON'T, YOU WON'T FIND A LOT OF LOW RISE CONDOMINIUMS, YOU KNOW, SUCCEED IN DALLAS WHARF.

MA'AM, CAN PLEASE, CAN YOU PLEASE REFRAIN FROM DOING THAT, MA'AM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A VERY RESPECTFUL CONVERSATION HERE.

MY APOLOGIES, COMMISSIONER FOR I PLEASE CONTINUE.

THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS FOR THE THANK YOU SIR.

SIR, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? I DON'T THINK WE GOT YOU IN YET.

HAL WATSON.

51.

51 BELTLINE ROAD, 7 5 2 5 4.

UH, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, FOLLOWUP.

COMMISSIONER HOUSER, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. MILLER IF I LIKE, UH, BY THE WAY, I, I STARTED IN THIS BUSINESS A FEW YEARS AGO.

UH, MY FIRST JOB WAS WORKING FOR YOUR, UH, GRANDFATHER'S COMPANY, ONE OF THE FINEST MEN I'VE EVER KNOWN IN THE BUSINESS.

AND, UH, HE SPAWNED A LOT OF GREAT REAL ESTATE PEOPLE.

AND I KNOW MY UNCLE HENRY WORKED WITH YOU WEST.

I WAS, I WAS, I WAS A, I WAS A PARTNER WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR UNCLE HENRY, SO KNOWN THE COMPANY FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS, UM, WITH THE PHASING LOOKS LIKE FOUR PHASES OF THE PROJECT.

ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS WITH US BY EMAIL, UH, AND WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF SOME OF THE EXISTING RETAILERS ON THE SITE THAT, UM, THEY HOPE, AND I THINK YOU PLAN TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THEM.

HOW DOES THAT WORK IN YOUR, IN YOUR PHASING PLAN? DO YOU, DO YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A GOOD NUMBER OF THOSE EXISTING RETAILERS IN BUSINESS WHILE YOU BUILD, BUILD OUT THE MULTI-FAMILY PHASES AND THE TALLER PHASES OF THE PROJECT? YES, SIR.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OVER 40 TENANTS ON 23 ACRES RIGHT IN THE HEART OF NORTH DALLAS.

AND SO THIS ALL BEGAN WHEN STEINMART WENT OUT OF BUSINESS IN 2020.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE TRADITIONAL, THE BELTLINE ROADSIDE HAS BEEN HARDER TO LEASE.

AND THE PRESTON ROAD SIDE, THE, THE TRAFFIC COUNTS FALL OFF DRAMATICALLY AS IT CURVES AROUND THERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE IDEA THAT, UH, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE WOULD BE MULTI-FAMILY, UH, HOUSING.

AND SO WE STARTED OUT JUST A SIMPLE, UH, UH, STRUCTURED PARKING WRAP PRODUCT ON THE BELTLINE SIDE IN FRONT IN THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF STEIN.

AND THAT WAS IT.

AND THEN WE, DURING THAT PROCESS, WE SAW A PATH FORWARD TO DOING A MORE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN FOR THE WHOLE SITE.

AND, UM, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS CONNECT BURIED TRAIL THROUGH THE PROPERTY OVER TO THE PRESTON ROADSIDE, AND THAT WOULD BE A REALLY COOL LITTLE CORRIDOR.

UM, AND, AND SO, BUT WE HAVE URBAN AIR RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

SO IT'S, IT'S QUITE A JIGSAW PUZZLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

AND SO, SO THE PHASED APPROACH WOULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL START WITH PHASE ONE WITH, WE'LL, WE'LL INCLUDE SOME RETAIL THAT WE CAN MOVE, UH, UH, PHASE P TENANTS OVER TO, UH, WHILE WE, WHILE WE BUILD ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EMPTY STEIN MART.

THAT'S GONNA BE A TERRIFIC STAGING AREA FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT FOR PHASE ONE.

AND, UM, AND SO THEN WE WILL MOVE A FEW TENANTS AROUND AS WE TACKLE PHASE P AND, AND, UH, WE CAN MOVE THEM TO THE NORTH AND, YOU KNOW, INTO, TO THE SOUTHERN MORRIS OCEAN PORTION.

AND SO IT'S A, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, MR. MR. RIG, UM, I THINK MR. WATSON BEGAN TO GET TO THIS A A MOMENT AGO, BUT, UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS YOU'VE SHARED RENDERINGS WITH US FROM TIME TO TIME, AND THEN YOU SHARED THOSE SAME RENDERINGS AGAIN YESTERDAY OR YESTERDAY EVENING.

UH, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE PUT 'EM UP ON THE SCREEN TODAY, BUT, UM, THOSE RENDERINGS WERE PREPARED WHEN YOUR, UM, REQUEST WAS 1,550 UNITS, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THOSE WERE LIKE THAT RENDERING, FOR EXAMPLE, AND, AND, AND OTHERS IN THAT SERIES ARE REPRESENTING THE PREVIOUS ASK AND THAT THIS AFTERNOON WE'RE LOOKING AT 984 UNITS.

AND SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE ILLUSTRATIONS IN THIS DECK, UM, ARE OF A PROJECT THAT'S 36% BIGGER THAN WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING AT THE MOMENT, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

BE ON THE RECORD WITH THAT.

JUST WANTED TO

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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

AND I THINK THESE ARE PROBABLY FOR MR. WIG, BUT I'LL LET ANYONE, IT'S A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE, UM, RECEIVED AND DISCUSSION TODAY.

I'M GONNA START WITH RETAIL.

SO YOU'VE REMOVED THE SOUTHERN PARCEL, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY EIGHT ACRES.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID IN LOOKING AT THIS IS LOOKED AT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING, UM, OTHER REQUESTS THAT WE'VE HAD AND HOW THIS COMPARES THAT HAD ABOUT THREE TIMES THE BASE OF THE RETAIL THAT'S IN THE PD.

AND I THINK THAT'S, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE INCLUDING THE SOUTHERN PARCEL THAT'S NO LONGER AS A PART OF THE REQUEST IN THE OVERALL RETAIL CHARACTER.

IS THAT CORRECT? AM I FOLLOWING THAT CORRECTLY? YES, IT'S STILL PART OF THE PROPERTY OF PEPPER SQUARE, BUT IT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION FROM THE MIXED USE COMPONENT THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.

AND BUT DO YOU KNOW, JUST GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT WOULD BE, PERCENTAGE FOR 70,000? AND, AND I'M JUST, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT 35,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS A, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT, AND JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT SUPPORTING COMMUNITY SERVING RETAIL, WHICH I THINK WE'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF FOLKS ASK ABOUT.

SO I THINK AT, YOU WANT ME TO THROW A COUPLE NUMBERS OUT? YES, PLEASE.

SO, SO THE, THE, THE, THE CURRENT 23 ACRES, UH, CONTAINS ROUGHLY 280 SOMETHING THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.

AND GREG AND I WERE CONVERSING JUST A SECOND.

WE THINK, WE THINK THAT THE, THE BOTTOM EIGHT ACRES WITH THE HOBBY LOBBY AND THE TRADER JOE'S AND A FEW OF THE OTHER, UH, RETAILERS THAT ARE DOWN ON THAT EIGHT ACRES, WE THINK THAT CONTAINS ROUGHLY 80,000.

SO THE AREA NORTH, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE ZONING REQUEST CONTAINS ABOUT 200,000 SQUARE FEET RIGHT.

OF, OF RETAIL.

SO AGAIN, THINKING OF THE WHOLE PARCEL, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT THE PD SPECIFICALLY, BUT AROUND A HUNDRED, 110,000 SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.

SO, SO IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE TO SORT OF JUST, UH, MAKE A, A GOOD EDUCATED GUESS, UH, THE COMBINED, UH, SOUTHERN PORTION AND NORTHERN PORTION, WHEN WE'RE COMPLETELY DONE WITH OUR BUILD OUT, IT WILL, IT WILL ROUGHLY CONTAIN, CALL IT 140,000 FEET OKAY.

OF, OF RETAIL.

SO TWO OTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, ONE IS REGARDING THE OPEN SPACE.

SO YOU'VE GOT THE MINIMUM, UH, 90,000, ROUGHLY TWO ACRES.

WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, IT'S BEEN A MUCH MORE ROBUST NUMBER, UM, 20% IN SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, PDS THAT THIS BODY HAS CONSIDERED.

IT'S ALSO SPOKE ABOUT IT ABOUT BEING DISPERSED THROUGHOUT TO HELP SUPPORT NOT ONLY THE INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO THE LARGER COMMUNITY.

I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN A DIFFERENT APPROACH AND I WAS JUST WANTING TO GET A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ON, ON WHY IT'S MAYBE CONSIDERED DIFFERENTLY.

SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON, UM, WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THIS, I'M JUST GONNA FLIP TO A, A SLIDE OF THE LARGER, OF THE TWO OPEN SPACE AREAS, OPEN SPACE A UM, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY THIS IS PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AT THIS POINT, BUT, UM, WE HAD THIS VERY DISCUSSION ON PERCENTAGES OF OPEN SPACE AND THE SUCCESS.

AND WE HEARD FROM, FROM THE, UM, AUDIENCE TODAY THE SUCCESS OF HILLCREST VILLAGE, UH, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH, UM, EAST OF OUR SITE.

SO WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE THAT, UH, TYPE OF OPEN SPACE AT OUR SITE HERE TODAY.

SO HOW WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS PROCESS WAS A TWO ACRE OPEN SPACE AREA, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE.

AND THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION, A WORKING GROUP WITH STAFF TO LOCATE A LARGE, UH, OPEN SPACE AREA ON THE SITE.

PART OF THE REASON IT'S LOCATED IN THE AREA IT IS, IS IT'S CLOSER TO, UH, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, MULTI-FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET.

SO IT REALLY CAN SERVE AS THE GATEWAY IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS OF PEPPER SQUARE AND THE EXISTING COMMUNITY SURROUNDING THIS SITE.

UH, IT, IT ALSO GO AHEAD.

UM, IT, IT, IT, IT ALSO IS THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT CAN BE DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE FIRST PHASE AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS GETTING IT DONE CONDITION IN HERE.

UNDERSTOOD.

UM, BUT IS THEIR IDEA, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME, UM, PEDESTRIAN STANDARDS INCLUDED IN TERMS OF BUFFERS.

I KNOW THE SETBACKS ON THE TWO MAIN FRONTAGES ARE 50 FEET AND I THINK 25.

AND SO IS THAT MEANT TO ESSENTIALLY ESTABLISH A GREEN EDGE FOR THE PROPERTY? CORRECT.

AND IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH OTHER SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT? CORRECT.

SO THEY'RE BROKEN UP INTO TWO LARGE PRIMARY OPEN SPACE AREAS IN ADDITION TO THE PD HAS CONDITIONS FOR SIDEWALKS AND LANDSCAPING.

SO IN ADDITION TO THE TWO OPEN SPACE AREAS, AND THIS AREA YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS SLIGHTLY SMALLER.

SO WE COULD LOCATE A, A INTERIOR OPEN SPACE PART OF, YOU KNOW, OUR ONGOING DISCUSSION.

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YEAH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THOSE THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER AND THE INTERIOR ROAD.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE OVERALL WALKABILITY FACTOR THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

SO JUST TWO FINAL QUESTIONS, IF I MAY.

ONE IS REGARDING HEIGHT AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE, UM, SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND THEN PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING.

I THINK I HEARD YOU MENTION SIGNATURE POINT.

AM I COR I THINK I HAD HEARD PREVIOUSLY THAT THAT'S AN EIGHT AND AN 11 STORY DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND SO, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND WITH THE MU TWO BASE, THAT, THAT'S TYPICALLY 135 FEET IS THE BASE HEIGHT AND THEN BONUSES, JUST STRAIGHT ZONING CODE, LOOKING AT SOME OTHER AREAS.

I, I GUESS I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU'VE SET 75 AT THE PERIMETER, WHICH OTHERS HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO 45, I THINK.

AND THEN BUILDING UP ON THE INTERIOR SITE, YOU'VE REMOVED THE URBAN FORM SETBACK, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CURRENT REQUEST FOR PHASE ONE.

CAN YOU JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS RELATING TO THE OVERALL CONTEXT? 'CAUSE IT, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A BIT HIGHER.

SO ONE OF THE OVERARCHING ITEMS IN HERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED MU THREE, THEN WE WENT DOWN TO A, CALL IT AN MU TWO PLUS, WHICH IS, I'D SAY SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, THE PRESTON DEL NORTE PROPERTY HAS FOR ITS CURRENT ZONING.

I THINK WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY IS MORE OF AN MU TWO MINUS.

UM, AND WE'VE INCLUDED HEIGHTS AND DENSITIES A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN BASE MU TWO ACCOUNTS FOR AS FAR AS THE URBAN FORM SETBACK.

UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THE, IN THE BRIEFING ABOUT THIS AND THE URBAN FORM SETBACK IS, IS INTERESTING BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE REQUIRING GREATER SETBACKS ON PRESTON AND BELTLINE ROAD, THE URBAN FORM SETBACK, IF YOU READ THAT STANDARD IN THE CODE, IT'S, IT'S TECHNICALLY FROM WHAT YOUR SETBACK IS.

SO IT BUMPS BACK FURTHER.

UM, THE, THE ONE PLACE WE FOUND THAT TO BE A CHALLENGE AND REALLY NOT IMPACTFUL WAS PHASE ONE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT AS THE ONE, UH, PARTICULAR AREA THAT THE URBAN FORM SETBACK DOES NOT APPLY.

'CAUSE YOU'RE KIND OF JUST LOPPING OFF A LITTLE SMALL PORTION AT THE TOP IF YOU INCLUDE IT.

WHEREAS THE OTHER, UH, P AND N WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY ACHIEVE THAT.

WELL, I GUESS THE, AND I I UNDERSTAND THERE A POINT THAT IT, HOW IT TRADITIONALLY FUNCTIONS IS THAT IT PROVIDES A STEP BACK, BUT IT ALSO ADDRESSES THE BUILDING FORM AS IT'S INTEGRATING WITH THE STREET.

SO IT'S MORE ABOUT THE, THE FORM THAT YOU SEE WHILE IT ALSO THEN PROVIDES PARTICULARLY WHERE YOU MAY NOT HAVE AS ROBUST A SETBACK THAT STEP, IF YOU WILL.

SO I'M, I THANK YOU FOR THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.

AND FINAL QUESTION IS JUST ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS GENERALLY.

I KNOW WE'VE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOME STREET SECTIONS THAT YOU'VE INCLUDED IN HERE, SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT I, I JUST DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT THAT'S EMBEDDED IN HERE THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT THE CHARACTER THAT YOU'RE ESTABLISHING.

I DIDN'T REALLY SEE IT IN THE VISION STATEMENT.

IS THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED MORE ROBUSTLY? I THINK WE HAD CONSIDERED THAT AND, UM, FEEL, UH, PRETTY W PRETTY COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED BECAUSE THE, THE IMPETUS OF THE REQUEST IS TO HAVE THIS BE A MIXED USE DISTRICT.

AND WE'VE ADDED A COUPLE ADDITIONAL ITEMS, UH, MOST RECENTLY THAT YOU HAD SEEN IN THE STAFF REPORT.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED VERSIONS TO INCLUDE 50%, UH, RESTAURANT RETAIL SPACES, FRONTING THE TWO OPEN SPACE AREAS, UM, INCLUDING OUR, YOU KNOW, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, INTERIOR SIDEWALK, STREET SCAPE STANDARDS, AS LONG AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR STANDARDS.

UM, AND DES DESIGNED THIS IN A WAY WITH THE, UH, INTERNAL CIRCULATION.

SO OUR, OUR PRIMARY EAST WEST DRIVE AND OUR NORTH SOUTH DRIVE TO HAVE A CALMING TRAFFIC CALMING EFFECT AND PROVIDE THOSE PEDESTRIAN BOULEVARDS THROUGHOUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR WHOLE GOAL HERE IS TO DO THE GROUND STORY RETAIL, RESTAURANT RETAIL.

SO ENSURING THIS STILL REMAINS HEAVILY RETAILED AND HAS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT ON TOP.

UM, I'M SURE, I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR, UH, AIM IS FOR THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT.

UH, I HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER HALL, THEN I'LL, I'LL HAVE MY QUESTIONS PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER HALL.

JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UH, I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE SIGNATURE EXCHANGE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ACROSS ALEXIS.

IT'S, YOU SAID 12, I HEARD 11 STORIES, BUT IT'S, IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP, DESIGN.

ARE THERE OTHER SIMILAR BUILDINGS, UH, IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, QUITE AND, UH, BELTLINE CO AND BELTLINE A LITTLE BIT OF DISTANCE AWAY

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THOUGH, BUT OKAY.

AND OF COURSE YOU GET TO THE TOLLWAY AND THERE'S ON THE MICROPHONE, SIR, ON THE MIC.

UH, SORRY.

THERE, THERE'S A LARGE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF QU AND BELTLINE.

AND OF COURSE, AS YOU GO WEST ON BELTLINE TOWARD ADDISON, UH, AND YOU GET TO THE TOLLY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF, YOU HAVE A LOT OF TALLER BUILDINGS THERE.

UH, AND SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EXTENSIVELY IN BRIEFING THIS MORNING IS, WAS TRAFFIC ISSUES, ET CETERA.

AND I, I BELIEVE THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA REQUIRE YOU TO PUT IN TWO NEW TRAFFIC LIGHTS.

ONE AT, UH, BARRY LANE AND ONE AT, UH, SOMEWHERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT OR THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY? WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE ONE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT BERRY TRAIL AND BELTLINE, UM, WE'RE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE PD NOW WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE PAYING FOR OUR SHARE OF THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT.

AND THE, THERE'S AN EXISTING TRAFFIC LIGHT ALREADY ON PRESTON, UH, AND THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS THE TOM THUMB THAT'S IMMEDIATELY WEST OF OUR, OF OUR SITE.

THAT'S HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GET INTO AND OUT OF THAT AND INTO AND OUT OF OUR CENTER.

AND SO THERE, YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, THE COG STUDY WILL RECOMMEND ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION, BUT IF, IF THEY DO, MY GUESS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE ASKED TO PAY, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF SHARE FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT INTERSECTION.

AND WHATEVER IS DONE THERE WILL HAVE IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN ACCESSES AND IT'LL SAFER CROSSING OF THE STREETS AND STUFF TO ALLOW FLOW FROM, FROM DIFFERENT, FROM DIFFERENT ASPECTS.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IS TYPICALLY REQUIRED FOR ANY OF THESE, UM, NEW SIGNALS OR IMPROVED SIGNALS, IS THE CITY HAS ITS STANDARDS THAT YOU MUST ADHERE TO OR, YOU KNOW, PAY YOUR SHARE INTO TO IMPROVE THOSE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR LIGHT SIGNALIZATION.

COMMISSIONER HALL.

UH, MR. ROY, I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN TAKE ME BACK HERE AND, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, YOU MAY KNOW, BUT I, I THINK I ATTENDED ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR THIS PROJECT EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ONE, AND I, I THINK I WAS, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LATE TO THE ONE IN THE CHURCH, BUT I THINK I, I GOT THE GIST OF, OF THE, UH, THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN TELL ME THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHRONOLOGY, THE, THE STORY OF THIS CASE, HOW IT WENT FROM THE MU THREE, WHICH WAS ABOUT 2,500 UNITS BASE TO WHAT IT IS TODAY, WHICH I THINK IS 7 51 BASE WITH A 9 84 TOP.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH, YOU KNOW, CHAPTER BY CHAPTER, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS CHANGED, HOW IT WAS CHANGED, AND WHY IT WAS CHANGED THAT, UH, I DO REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, AT LOTS OF THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE GET LOTS OF VOICES.

WE, WE HEARD FROM FOLKS THAT WANTED, UH, ONE ACRE PARK, SOME WANTED A TWO ACRE PARK, SOME WANTED NO PARK.

UH, FOLKS WANTED APARTMENTS, OTHERS DID NOT WANT APARTMENTS.

OTHERS, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO ABSOLUTELY DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING.

AND I REMEMBER THE FIRST PROPOSAL WAS FOR MU THREE, AND TODAY WE, WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE VERY ACCURATELY IS AN MU TWO LIGHT.

SO WALK ME THROUGH CHAPTER BY CHAPTER.

SO WE STARTED THIS BACK IN, UM, MAY, ABOUT MAY OF 20 THOU 2000, UH, 22, MAY OF 22, UM, WHERE WE HAD A SERIES OF INTRODUCTORY MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT PEPPER SQUARE AND WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN IS AN OLD, UH, SWOT ANALYSIS, STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES, THREATS, UM, THAT WE HELD WITH THE COMMUNITY IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING.

UM, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO READ HERE, BUT WE'RE, WE REALLY SEE A LOT OF THE SAME, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE HERE TODAY.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WANT IT.

WE HAVE, UM, PROXIMITY TO, UH, THE LOCATIONS OF THE, OF PEPPER SQUARE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A STRENGTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SEE THE EMPTINESS, THE VACANCIES OF THIS AS A, AS A, A WEAKNESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO BRING THE AREA UP, UH, NOT JUST FOR PEPPER SQUARE, BUT TO, YOU KNOW, LIFT THE, THE ENTIRE, UH, COMMUNITY UP A LITTLE BIT, UM, WITH THIS NEW REDEVELOPMENT.

AND THEN THREATS.

SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT I THINK WE'VE HEARD ABOUT TODAY.

TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS A CONCERN.

UM, AND, UH, SAFETY AS WELL AS AS, AS WELL AS SAFETY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, CROSSING BELTLINE ROAD IS UNSAFE AND THERE'S SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS THAT MAYBE AREN'T AS APPLICABLE FOR JUST STRAIGHT APARTMENT UNITS.

BUT, UH, FOR, FOR, FROM THAT POINT ON, WE CONTINUED TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE MET WITH, UM, A WORKING GROUP OF THE THREE CLOSEST, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS TO

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PEPPER SQUARE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING ABOUT THIS SITE, AND I MIGHT TRY AND, UH, FLIP BACK REALLY QUICKLY IN, IN PLANNING, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF UM, STEPPING UP YOUR HEIGHT, UH, TO, TO AREAS, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR KIND OF, UM, HIERARCHY OF ZONING USES.

SO YOU CAN ALMOST SEE THAT IN THIS, IN OUR, IN OUR PROJECT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY IN THIS VISUAL FROM PEPPER SQUARE BEING THE CENTER POINT AS THE PERIPHERY.

THEN YOU HAVE MF TWO DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE GARDEN STYLE MULTIFAMILY.

THEN WE HAVE, UM, OUR FIVE STORY MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AND THEN THAT STEPS UP TO THE HIGH HIGHEST DENSITY ON PRESTON ROAD.

UM, SO THROUGHOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS AND EVEN, EVEN TODAY, I THINK STILL THE MAIN COMMENTS ARE WE WANNA REVITALIZE PEPPER SQUARE, WE WANT RETAIL OPTIONS.

UH, OUR PROPOSAL PROVIDES THAT, BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, IS WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DENSITY HERE.

UM, WITH THE DENSITY REQUEST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SLASHED THAT, UH, SEVERAL TIMES AND WE'RE AT WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, UM, WITH A, YOU KNOW, UNRESTRICTED BASE OF 750 UNITS, UH, BONUSES TO GET UP TO 984, I BELIEVE IS OUR FINAL NUMBER.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE PUT THIS ABOUT AS FAR DOWN AS WE CAN DO IT TO HAVE A FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE PROJECT THAT WE CAN DELIVER ON.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN THE, WELL, THERE'S BEEN A CONTINGENT THAT WANTS NO APARTMENTS AND I THINK STILL WANTS THAT.

I'VE SEEN SIGNS HERE THIS AFTERNOON THAT STILL WANT NO APARTMENTS, BUT IN ORDER TO REVITALIZE THE AREA, WE NEED SOME DENSITY TO, UH, SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND, AND MAKE IT WORK.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, LEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO ADD TO THAT ENGAGEMENT.

THEN A QUICK FOLLOW UP.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN IN THE ZONING GAME FOR, FOR SOME TIME NOW.

THERE'S, THERE'S AN EXCHANGE, RIGHT? AN ENTITLEMENT FOR AN EXCHANGE FOR SOMETHING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE, OR THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

AND I THINK THE, THE LAST ADJUSTMENT THAT WAS MADE BY YOU AND YOUR APPLICANT WAS MAYBE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN IT WAS REDUCED TO THE CURRENT NUMBER TODAY, MAYBE 10 DAYS AGO.

WAS THE, THE SIZE OF THE PARK ALSO REDUCED? WAS THE, THE TRAIL REMOVED WERE THE, THE OTHER PARTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PART OF THE INITIAL KIND OF EXCHANGE FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.

NO, WE, WE LEFT THOSE IN, IN THE PROPOSAL.

SO THE PARK, UH, PARK SPACE HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED.

THE, UM, UH, TRAIL CONNECTION, THE SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN REALM, THAT'S ALL REMAINED UNCHANGED BECAUSE WE THINK BY KEEPING THOSE ITEMS THERE, THIS WILL STILL BE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT AND WILL STILL GIVE A NEIGHBORHOOD BENEFIT SO PEOPLE CAN COME INTO THE PROJECT AND ENJOY IT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MORE PEOPLE WILL BE WALKING TO IT VERSUS DRIVING.

BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR DRIVERS AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOLKS.

APPRECIATE IT.

LET'S, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LET'S TOUCH ON THE TRAIL.

I'M SUPER FIRED UP FOR THE TRAIL CONNECTIVITY, BRINGING THE WHITE ROCK CREEK TRAIL BIKE TRAIL UP THROUGH THE PROPERTY.

SO WE MET WITH MR. TOI OUT THERE AND THE, YOU KNOW, SELECTED AREA FOR IT TO COME THROUGH.

SO WE'RE SUPER FIRED UP FOR THE TRAIL.

AND, AND UP TO BERRY TRAIL THE LIGHT.

SO THEN IT'LL BE A SAFE WAY TO CROSS THE BERRY, UH, BELT LINE AT THE LIGHT OF BERRY TRAIL AND THEY CAN RIDE ON UP TO, UH, KIAA PARK COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA STAY ON FIRST ROUND AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO SECOND ROUND.

WE HAVE COMMISSIONER KINGTON AND COMMISSIONER EBLER FIRST ROUND.

IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL DART STOPS UP THERE.

UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THE CLOSEST DART STOP FOR THE LIGHT RAIL IS GONNA BE TO THIS? SO THE LIGHT RAIL, THE, UH, SILVER LINE WILL BE, UM, APPROXIMATELY, I, I GUESS A MILE AND A HALF FROM OUR SITE BECAUSE THAT WAS A MORE, UH, A COMPONENT OF THE PREVIOUS ZONING CASE THAT WAS CLOSER TO IT.

'CAUSE THAT GONNA BE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MILE AND A HALF NORTHWEST OF, UH, PEPPER SQUARE.

UH, AND REMIND ME, DO YOU HAVE ANY MICRO MOBILITY, UM, FACILITIES ON THIS, ON THE SIDE? YES, WE DO.

THANK YOU MR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO DUE TO THE CONCERNS REGARDING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SPACES, COULD YOU TELL ME HOW YOUR PLAN FOR PARKING ENSURES THE USABILITY OF THIS SPACE BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS? SLIDE FOUR .

TO HAVE, UH, RETAIL SPACE ON BOTH THE GROUND FLOOR AND PART OF THE SECOND FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING.

UH, SO THE GROUND FLOOR OF, OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE BUILDINGS IN ALL THREE PHASES, UH, WILL BE DEDICATED TO, TO RETAIL PARKING.

AND, UH, THEY WILL BE, UH, PARKED AT BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT PER THOUSAND.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE, WE WOULD BE PROVIDING A MINIMUM OF SIX DEDICATED PARKING SPACES PER THOUSAND RETAIL SPACE.

AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THESE BUILDINGS.

ON PHASE P, WE'RE EXPECTING

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ALSO, IT'S QUESTION ONE.

THERE'S, THERE'S ALSO, UH, UH, SOME SURFACE, WE CALL IT TEASER PARKING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO NOT BE DISCOURAGED ABOUT, UH, THE O THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PARKING.

SO WE HAVE, UH, TEASER PARKING, UM, UH, BETWEEN PHASE P AND PRESTON ROAD, AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY LOCATION OF TEASER PARKING.

THE, THE INTERIOR ROADS THAT GO NORTH SOUTH TO BERRY TRAIL FROM TRADER JOE'S, THE INTERIOR ROAD THAT GOES, UH, FROM PRESTON ALL THE WAY TO BERRY TRAIL GOING EAST WEST.

THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PARKING, UM, ON THOSE STREETS.

SO ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY SPEAKERS BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN OF SAFELY NAVIGATING FROM A PARKING LOT IN THIS CASE WITH A STROLLER OR THEIR FAMILY TO THESE RETAIL SPACES.

CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH WHAT ASPECTS OF YOUR PARKING AREAS FACILITATE THIS, YOU KNOW, SAFE TRAVEL? SURE.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE ARE LEAVING ALONE, THE, UM, RETAIL, YOU KNOW, TRADER JOE'S HOBBY LOBBY, PART OF THE SITE TO THE SOUTH, THAT'LL BE SEAMLESSLY CONNECTED, ESPECIALLY WITH, UH, PHASE ONE IN THE TWO OPEN SPACE AREAS.

SO, UM, THOSE SIDEWALKS WILL BE ABLE TO CONNECT YOU ACROSS, UM, UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING, I WONDER IF I CAN POINT ON THIS.

OOPS.

UH, YEAH.

SO WHERE, WHERE THE CURSOR ROUGHLY IS, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT.

WELL, LET'S TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, OPEN SPACE AREA B UH, WHICH IS JUST LEFT OF THE CURSOR.

UH, YOU CAN EITHER, YOU KNOW, ACCESS THAT BY, UH, PARKING IN THE PHASE P OR PHASE ONE GARAGE AND, YOU KNOW, WALKING ACROSS A LOW SPEED INTERIOR DRIVEWAY.

SO THIS IS A LOW SPEED ROAD DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND ACCESS, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE B AND WALK UP ON THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ALL REQUIRED UP TO OPEN SPACE.

A YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ALSO, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE NOT COMFORTABLE, WHICH I FEEL LIKE, UH, WITH THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT TO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE TIMES TO GO THERE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE LAYOUT.

BUT YOU KNOW, YOUR FIRST TIMES THERE, YOU COULD UTILIZE TEASER PARKING ON PRESTON ROAD OR THE EXISTING SURFACE PARKING WITH HOBBY LOBBY AND TRADER JOE'S AND MAKE YOUR WAY UP THERE.

I THINK THE INTENT.

AND IN THE TEXAS SUMMERS, YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY WANT TO PARK IN A SHADED AREA, BUT THE INTENT IS TO HAVE, UH, ALL OF OUR RETAIL PARKING ON THE GROUND FLOORS OF INTERIOR TO THESE BUILDINGS.

SO LIKE THIS PLAN I'M SHOWING YOU IS A EXAMPLE OF THE GROUND FLOOR PLANE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE VE VEHICULAR ENTRANCES AND EXITS AS WELL AS THE PEDESTRIAN, UM, ENTRANCES AND EXIT POINTS.

CAN I, CAN I ADDRESS THE SAFETY QUESTION REAL QUICK? SURE.

UH, REGARDING THE SAFETY QUESTION THAT WAS IN THE QUESTION.

UH, THE, THE, THE GARAGES THAT WE'RE BUILDING ARE MODERN GARAGES WITH LIGHTS AND, UH, SIRENS THAT ANNOUNCE WHEN A PEDESTRIAN, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, UH, OR A CAR, SORRY, A CAR IS COMING IN OR OUT OF THOSE GARAGES, AND THE PEDESTRIANS ALONG THE SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE ALERTED TO THAT.

IN ADDITION, I MEAN, THE, THE, THE , I MEAN, I, I, I WANT THE MILES PER HOUR, UH, ON THE INTERIOR STREETS TO BE AS LOW AS WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE.

UM, WE WILL HAVE, UH, SOME LOADING AREAS FOR UBER AND LYFT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, ALONG BOTH OF THOSE STREETS.

BUT THAT'S NOT FOR PARKING.

THAT'S, THAT'S TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THEIR OWN CAR AND, AND TAKING SHARED TRANSIT TO THE, TO THE PROJECT.

YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PARKING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE ON THE GROUND LEVEL.

COMMISSIONER GATED SECURITY COMMISSIONERS.

UM, THOSE PARKING SPACES ABOVE FOR THE TENANTS, ARE THOSE RESERVED PARKING SPOTS? YEAH.

SO THE, THE, THE PARKING ON THE UPPER LEVELS OF THOSE GARAGES ARE FOR RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS.

ARE THEY RESERVED? SO, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT WE WORK THAT IS THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE MOST CONVENIENT IN THE PARKING STRUCTURE ARE RESERVED, AND THOSE THAT ARE LEAST CONVENIENT, UH, ARE OPEN PARKING FOR RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS.

WE'RE STILL ON FIRST ROUND.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR MR. YOUR YES, YES.

THERE ANY CHANCE, UM, WITH THE APARTMENTS THAT YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING, UM, I KNOW THAT SOME CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP BY SOMEONE ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLY LOW INCOME HOUSING OR SOMETHING.

UM, BUT, UM, I KNOW THIS BODY HIT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THOSE AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS CORRECTLY.

UM, WITH OUR WORKING CLASS INDIVIDUALS

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WHO CAN'T AFFORD CURRENT RATES, HOW MUCH OF IS ANY, IF, IF ANY, HOW MUCH OF THIS IS GOING TO HAVE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? AND IF, AND IF, AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD BE THAT A MI, SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

I'M JUST DOING A QUICK CALCULATION TO GET THE NUMBER CORRECT.

UM, SO WE DO HAVE THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, UH, COMPONENT INCLUDED IN OUR, UH, IN INCLUDED IN OUR PROPOSAL.

THERE'S A, YOU YOU'LL NOTE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT REQUEST AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

UM, AND, AND THE REASON WE, WE HAVE OUR INCOME BANDS HIGHER AND THE STAFF, OR, SORRY, THE, UH, APPLICANT REQUEST.

SO IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT THAT BECOMES AN OPTION, UH, IF WE CHOOSE TO UTILIZE THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS.

UM, THE BONUS ITSELF WOULD BE, UH, FOR AN ADDITIONAL 7.5 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS ABOUT 116 UNITS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY LOW INCOME HOUSING.

UM, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE THE, AND IT'S TYPICAL IN ALL MULTIFAMILY, UH, ZONING PROJECTS, AS YOU KNOW, UH, TO INCLUDE A MIXED INCOME HOUSING, UH, COMPONENT.

SO THAT IS ON THE MENU OF OPTIONS, UM, THAT WE WILL BE EVALUATING.

UM, IF, YOU KNOW, LIKELY WITH PHASE P, PHASE ONE IS PRETTY SET IN STONE AND THAT WOULD BE MARKET RATE.

UM, BUT, BUT DOWN THE, DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO OUR, YOU KNOW, FULL BUILD OUT OF 984 UNITS, WE WOULD NEED TO UTILIZE THE, UH, MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS.

AND SO YOU WOULDN'T EVEN, YOU ALL ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERING IN THE FIRST PHASE, UM, THE A MI FOR, UM, WE'RE IN A CRISIS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR FIREMEN TEACHERS, NURSES, THOSE WHO THAT CAN'T AFFORD AND REALLY COULD LIVE, UM, HAVING ANY PORTION OF THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, IN THE FIRST PHASE, EVEN IF IT'S, UM, THE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT THE MAX, SOME, SOME PORTION OF IT IN THE FIRST PHASE, AND THEN OVER THE TIME WITH THE REST OF THE PHASES TO ADD THOSE IN AS AS YOU GO ALONG.

THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.

UM, THE, THE, THE FIRST, THE FIRST PHASE, UM, ARE REQUIREMENTS OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO DO FRONT LOADED, UH, OPEN SPACES AND, AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE, ARE PRECLUDING THE ABILITY TO HAVE A MIXED INCOME REQUIREMENT IN THAT PHASE.

ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THE FIRST PHASE IS ONLY FIVE STORIES, AND IT'S A, IT'S A REGULAR TRIANGULAR SHAPED SITE.

SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING FIRST PHASE SITE.

LET, LET ME ALSO SAY THAT, UH, HENRYS MILLER IS COMPLETELY, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF LOW INCOME HOUSING IN DALLAS.

TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, I WAS, UH, SPEAKING IN BETWEEN, UH, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, OUR, OUR COMPANY TODAY, UH, MADE AN OFFER ON A PROJECT IN SOUTH DALLAS.

UH, AND THAT THAT PROJECT WILL NEARLY BE A TOTAL OF $80 MILLION, $25 MILLION OF WHICH WOULD BE CAPEX.

AND I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY BIG COMMITMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO A PROJECT.

THAT PROJECT ALREADY HAS, UM, ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS OF BELOW MARKET RATE HOUSING IN IT SUBJECT TO ALLURA.

AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, IMPROVE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, AT TWO, YOU KNOW, TWO THIRDS OF THE PROJECT.

THAT PROJECT, UH, DOESN'T EVEN ALLOW SECTION EIGHT HOUSING IN IT.

AND WE'RE PLANNING ON CHANGING THAT.

SO I SURE, SURE.

WE'RE COMMITTED TO LOW INCOME HOUSING AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING IN THIS CITY, SIR, THAT, THAT DEFINITELY DOES NOT, UM, THAT DEFINITELY DOES NOT EASE WHAT I, IT ACTUALLY HAS TO WHAT, SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING AND, AND, AND HAVING MORE OF IT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR DEFINITELY DOES NOT, UM, GIVE ME GREAT JOY.

UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE SIMPLE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THOSE WORKING CLASS, NOT THE LOW INCOME, NOT THE SECTION EIGHT.

'CAUSE I WOULD RATHER ASK WHY ISN'T IT ANY AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION NORTH OF 30 .

BUT I DO.

AND YOU KNOW, THE, TO BE CLEAR, THIS, UM, THIS PROJECT JUST HAS THE, THE INCOME, MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS AND WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, INCREASE IN DENSITY THAT HELPS AFFORDABILITY ACROSS THE BOARD.

IT'S ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER.

MM-HMM, , JUST, JUST TO, JUST TO RESPOND THAT THE, THE, THE PROJECT THAT I WAS REFERRING TO, UM, IT WILL ACTUALLY BE CHANGED FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, LOW INCOME TO, TO WORKFORCE TYPE HOUSING WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING FOR IT.

SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

I'M LOOKING FOR IT IN NORTH AND

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DALLAS.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR IT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

ANY PROJECT THAT HAS THESE MANY UNITS, WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA ALWAYS ASK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT POSSIBILITY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE POSSIBILITY IS THAT, UM, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE POSSIBILITY IS, OR THAT YOU MIGHT USE IT, OR YOU MIGHT, OR WOULD THIS BE, WOULD THIS, UH, HAVE THE IN LIE FEE? THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF DOING THE UNITS ON SITE OR DOING THE, THE IN LIE FEE.

ANYONE ELSE FIRST ROUND BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND? COMMISSIONER FORESITE, PLEASE.

SECOND ROUND.

I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO MY, UH, FIRST LINE OF QUESTIONING ABOUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, TO 984.

UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, HOUSE WRIGHT BROUGHT UP THAT THAT'S LIKE A 34% REDUCTION.

I THINK THAT'S COMMENDABLE.

HOWEVER, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT WHEN THAT'S A BIG OBJECTION FOR THE NEIGHBORS, THE COMMUNITY.

UH, I, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO ADDRESS THAT ONE MORE TIME FOR ME, UH, TO HELP ME, UH, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF ARE YOU REALLY TRYING TO, TO, TO, TO COMPROMISE WITH THE COMMUNITY? YES.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COMPONENTS THAT, UH, THAT CAUSE US TO PREFER TO MAINTAIN THAT HEIGHT.

ONE OF 'EM MENTIONED EARLIER IS REDUCING THE MASS OF THE BUILDING.

SO THERE'LL BE TALLER, IT'LL BE THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT THINNER, SO IT'S NOT TAKING SUCH A BLOCKY APPEARANCE.

BUT ANOTHER IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO IT IS RESPONDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S REQUEST FOR, UM, FOR RETIREMENT HOUSING AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S REQUEST FOR CONDOMINIUMS. NOW, CONDOMINIUMS, WE RESEARCH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

THEY CANNOT PUT THAT IN THE PD.

WE WERE WILLING.

UM, BUT THOSE TYPES OF UNITS ACTUALLY HAVE MORE BEDROOMS. THE CURRENT UNIT MIX, UH, IS HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS SINGLE BEDROOM APARTMENTS.

AND BY HAVING, UH, SOME HEIGHT AND HAVING AND MAINTAINING THAT HEIGHT, WE CAN HAVE LARGER UNITS THAT CAN BE EITHER SOLD AS CONDOMINIUMS OR USED AS, UH, RETIREMENT HOUSING.

SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE STAYS SIMILAR.

UM, BUT IT ENABLES US TO OFFER A HIGHER LEVEL PRODUCT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

HELP ME TO, YOU KNOW, HELP, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU FEEL HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE COMPROMISES Y'ALL HAVE MADE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UH, WITH, OKAY.

SO WE STARTED, 2200 UNITS, WE'RE DOWN TO 9 84.

WE STARTED AT OVER 295 FEET, WE'RE DOWN TO 1 65.

UM, WE WERE ASKED TO INCLUDE OPEN SPACE, UH, SIGNIFICANT TWO ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, UH, ENHANCED SIDEWALKS, ENHANCED LANDSCAPING.

UH, SURFACE PARKING WAS REQUESTED FOR CONCERN.

PEOPLE DID NOT WANNA PARK IN GARAGES.

UM, WHICH I MEAN, STAFF HAS ASKED US TO TAKE THAT OUT, BUT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING IT, UM, REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT FROM, UH, 23 ACRES TO 15 ACRES.

UH, AND, UM, MAINTAINING OR CRE CREATING A ACCESS POINT FROM OUR PROPERTY, UH, TO A FUTURE, UH, WHITE ROCK CREEK TRAIL SO THAT PEOPLE COULD WALK AND RIDE AND COME TO THE DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT HAVING TO GET IN THE CAR.

SO THOSE WERE, UH, VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF REQUESTS THAT CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY AND CAME FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND CAME FROM STAFF.

AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IN A WAY THAT'S GONNA MAKE THE PROJECT WORK? THAT'S A SOPHISTICATED DEVELOPMENT QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER.

UH, THE TEAM, I GUESS, UM, AS I'M SURE YOU KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE COMPLICATIONS YOU FACE WHEN YOU DO A FAIRLY DENSE MIXED USE PROJECT IS HANDLING THE SERVICING OF THE RETAILERS, UH, HANDLING THE PARKING FOR THE RETAILERS AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU HAVE THE, UH, APARTMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE.

UM, WHEN, WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR PLAN, I DON'T SEE AN OBVIOUS ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.

UH, LEMME STATE IT THIS WAY.

IT AN, A TYPICAL STRIP CENTER, LIKE WE'VE SEEN MANY OF, AND KNOW THE MIDDLE COMPANY'S BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY OF THOSE SUCCESSFULLY OVER THE YEARS.

YOU HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THE RETAIL, AND YOU HAVE SERVICE IN THE BACK, AND IT WORKS REAL WELL.

YOU KNOW, THE TWO DON'T MIX TOGETHER.

WHEN YOU START ADDING DENSITY AND, AND BUILDING THE COUNTER PROJECT YOU'RE BUILDING, YOU'VE GOTTA DO ALL, YOU'VE GOTTA DO ALL THAT.

BUT ONE, AND, AND THEN PARTICULARLY IF YOU ADD THE, WHEN YOU ADD THE OPEN SPACE ELEMENT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RESTAURANTS FACING ON A PARK.

THAT'S ONE SIDE THAT YOU CAN'T PARK ON, AND IT'S ONE SIDE YOU CAN'T DELIVER ON.

SO HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE SERVICE, UH, ASPECT OF THIS

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SO THE, THE ALLEY THAT'S IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF TRADER JOE'S AND HOBBY LOBBY, THAT WILL ALSO BE OUR SERVICE ALLEY.

UH, IN THE, UH, IMAGES THAT WE'VE SHOWN, WE'RE SHOWING A WALL THAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF OPEN SPACE.

B, THE REASON THERE'S A WALL THERE, UH, IS BE, IS BECAUSE THAT'S AN ALLEY BEHIND THERE WHERE TRADER JOE'S, YOU KNOW, HAS ITS GARBAGE PICKUP.

THOSE SAME ALLEYS WILL BE PROVIDING ALL OF THE SERVICE, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, PHASE ONE AND PHASE P FOR PHASE IN.

WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF, YOU KNOW, THE LUXURY OF, UH, THE CORNER, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GAS STATION AT THE CORNER OF BELTLINE AND PRESTON.

AND WE CAN ACTUALLY USE THE ALLEY BETWEEN THAT OUT PARCEL IN OUR PHASE IN TO PROVIDE SERVICING FOR TRASH PICKUP, ET CETERA, UH, FOR PHASE IN.

SO WE HAVE ALL THREE PHASES COVERED FOR THE SERVICES THAT, THAT ARE, HAVE TO BE PROVIDED.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT.

UH, SOPHISTICATED QUESTION AS YOU DESCRIBED , I ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP.

UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANGUAGE AND THE WORDS THAT WE USE MATTERS.

SO MR. R UH, FOLLOW UP FOR YOU, SIR.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUSES AS DIFFERENT INCOME BANS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS NOT LOW INCOME HOUSING.

THIS IS MIXED INCOME HOUSING.

THIS IS WORKFORCE HOUSING.

LET'S, LET'S SURE.

WE'RE, WE'RE CLEARING ABOUT THAT POINT INCOME BAN HERE THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING, YOU GUYS ARE GOING WITH A DIFFERENT ONE IS WORKFORCE HOUSING.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND YOU MENTIONED BEFORE ALSO THAT THE INCOME BAN THAT, UH, POTENTIALLY YOUR CLIENT WOULD BE WORKING WITH IS ONE THAT IS MORE LIKELY TO GET PUT IN PLACE.

EXPLAIN THAT.

SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE ON THE STAFF REPORT THE TWO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN INCOME BANS, UH, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPLICANT REQUEST, UM, OUR APPLICANT REQUEST IS TO PROVIDE, TO OBTAIN THE DEVELOPMENT BONUS, 5%, UM, AFFORDABLE UNITS BET MAKING FOR, FOR HOUSEHOLDS MAKING BETWEEN 81% AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE AREA MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME.

SO THAT'S THE AVERAGE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME OF DALLAS.

AND ANYBODY THAT MAKES 80% TO THAT MEDIAN INCOME WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS, THIS PROGRAM FOR US TO OBTAIN THE BONUS.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND STAFF HAS, UM, UH, CITY POLICIES THAT THEY NEED THAT THEY NEED TO, UH, ADHERE TO.

AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION.

THE, THE REASON BEHIND OURS AS FAR AS INCREASING THAT, UH, INCOME BAND IS 'CAUSE WHEN THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DO THE, WE, WE FINE TUNE THE, THE PROFORMAS TO MAKE THE FINANCIAL, UH, SENSE OF THE PROJECT IF IT WILL BE, BE MUCH MORE LIKELY FOR US TO USE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE, BECAUSE WE CAN CAPTURE THOSE RENTS AT THE 81 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT RANGE RATHER THAN, UH, IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS 10% OF ALL UNITS AT, UH, 51, 51 TO 80%, ESSENTIALLY IN, IN THE OTHER PROPOSAL.

SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE INCOME BAN THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS, IS THE HIGHER INCOME BAN, WHICH WILL BRING FOLKS THAT CAN PAY A LITTLE MORE PER MONTH AND MAKES THOSE UNITS MORE LIKELY TO HAPPEN ON SITE? BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS A LOWER INCOME BAND, THEN YOUR CLIENT WILL HAVE THAT STRESS ON THE PROFORMA AND WILL PROBABLY CHOOSE TO PAY THE FEE IN LIEU INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE UNITS YES.

ON THE DEVELOPMENT.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

AND YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR 81 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT BAND IS, UM, I BELIEVE THE AREA MEDIUM FAMILY INCOME THRESHOLD RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 60,000.

I COULD BE A LITTLE OFF ON THIS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S FOR, YOU KNOW, TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS, UH, THAT TYPE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING THIS FOR.

SO NOT LOW INCOME HOUSING, BUT RATHER WORKFORCE HOUSING.

SECOND ROUND, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

MR. RIGG, UM, COMMISSIONER SLEEPER HAD A IMPORTANT QUESTION A WHILE AGO ABOUT PHASING, AND I THINK PHASING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REAL CREATIVITY AS YOU KIND OF BUILD INTO THIS.

I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE IN THE PARK, UM, PROBABLY THE LARGER PARK, BUT REALLY EITHER PARK, AS I READ THE ORDINANCE AT THE MOMENT, UM, I SEE REFERENCE TO STRUCTURES THAT HAVE NO WALLS, AND I SEE REFERENCE TO THE AMOUNT OF HARDSCAPE.

BUT IF YOU WANTED TO DO POP-UP RETAIL, IF YOU WANTED TO DO FOOD TRUCKS, IF YOU WANTED TO DO, UM, UH, A JAZZ CONCERT, DOES THIS ORDINANCE ALLOW YOU TO DO SOME MORE CREATIVE ACTIVATING THINGS IN THE GREEN SPACE, UM, AS, AS YOU'RE BUILDING INTO

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THIS DEAL? YES.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

THE, THE ANSWER IS YES.

AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS OPEN SPACE AREAS IS TO NOT JUST SIT THERE AND LOOK, LOOK NICE, BUT RATHER PROGRAM IT, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, WHERE WE CAN BRING IN SPECIAL EVENTS ON A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, HAVE FOOD TRUCKS THERE WITH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE GO THE FOOD TRUCK PERMIT, BUT HAVE THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMMED EVENTS, UM, AT THE CENTER TO DRAW IN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WANT TO UTILIZE THE PARK SPACE.

WELL, THANKS, I APPRECIATE THE INTENT.

I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T SEEM TO SAY YOU CAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO SAY YOU CAN'T, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE IN YOUR INTEREST TO BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT THAT OR NOT.

SO WITH, UM, WITH ZONING, I THINK THESE ARE A SEPARATE PERMIT FOR IF YOU WERE GETTING FOOD TRUCK PERMITS OR IF YOU WERE HOSTING A CONCERT.

THOSE ARE GEARED TOWARDS, UH, SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS OR FOOD TRUCK PERMITS WHERE THESE WOULD, THESE WOULD ALL BE ALLOWED UNDER, EVEN TODAY, WE COULD, WE COULD BRING THOSE TYPES OF, UM, ITEMS ON SITE.

SO WE DON'T THINK THAT'S RELATED TO ZONING.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DESIGN? WELL, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO DO, OKAY, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT POPUP RETAIL.

OR, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTAINERS, YOU KNOW, FOR OVER THE HOLIDAYS, HOLIDAY MARKET, THOSE THINGS COULD LIKELY HAVE WALLS.

AND ARE THEY GONNA BE DISALLOWED BECAUSE OF YOUR, BECAUSE OF YOUR, UM, SECTION IN THERE ABOUT STRUCTURES WITH ROOFS ONLY? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE WOULD BE DISALLOWED, BUT LET ME LEAVE IF YOU WANNA GO IN THERE.

I'M DOUBLE CHECK.

TWO, TWO OTHER COMPONENTS IN THE, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, ENABLED WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

ONE IS, THERE IS A, IT'S ACTUALLY A LIMITATION ON IMPERMEABLE, UH, SPACE WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE, SO THAT IF THEY WANNA BUILD A PLAZA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO JUST NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD THE WHOLE THING OUT.

IT'S A PLAZA.

UM, AND THEN ALSO THERE IS A HEIGHT LIMITATION WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE, UH, BECAUSE IT ENVISIONS THAT THERE WOULD BE POP-UP OPPORTUNITIES OR PERGOLAS OR OTHER TYPES OF STRUCTURES IN THERE.

THAT HELPS.

AND MAYBE TO JUST CLARIFY, THE, THE, THE ZONING IS MORE TIED TO THE, UH, PERMANENCE, UM, OF INSTALLATIONS IN THE OPEN SPACE.

SO IF WE HAVE A PERGOLA OR A, UM, UH, PLAZA AREA OR STAGE AREA, THE, THOSE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORE PERMANENT, WHERE IF YOU'RE BRINGING IN A TEMPORARY USE SUCH AS A, A HOLIDAY MARKET OR FOOD TRUCKS, THE ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT.

IT'S JUST GOING THROUGH THE CORRECT CITY CHANNELS TO GET THOSE ON YOUR SITE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR OUR FOLKS IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONER FORZA.

UM, MARK LAMAR, THE FIRST SPEAKER.

COULD YOU COME DOWN? THANK YOU, MARK.

I, I, I WROTE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU STATED THAT THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT SHOULD ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE, THE FOLKS WORKING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HENRY S. MILLER TO TRY TO IMPROVE THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

SO YOU HEARD, YOU KNOW, MY LINE OF QUESTIONING WITH, WITH THE FOLKS FROM HENRY S. MILLER ABOUT THE COMPROMISES THEY'VE MADE.

UM, I'M CURIOUS, UH, HOW, HOW DO, HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PROCESS WORKING WITH HENRY S. MILLER? HAVE THEY MADE THE COMPROMISES THAT YOU FEEL ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE BRINGING THIS MORE IN LINE WITH YOUR VISION, OR WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT WE STILL NEED TO GO TO, TO, TO GET THIS SO THAT THE COMMUNITY IS, IS ACCEPTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT? SURE.

THAT'S HAPPENED VERY RECENTLY.

UM, TO BE CLEAR, THE MIC, THANK YOU.

UM, APPRECIATE IT.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, HENRY MILLER HAS WORKED WITH SOME OF THE HOA PRESIDENTS, NOT ME, MYSELF, BUT OBVIOUSLY I'VE WORKED WITH SOME OF OUR HOA PRESIDENTS.

UM, AND I THINK FOR MY, FOR MYSELF, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A PLACE OF, OF ZERO RESIDENTIAL, IT'S COMMUNITY RETAIL ONLY.

SO FROM THE COMMUNITY'S PERSPECTIVE, RESIDENTIAL UNIT NUMBER ONE IS A GIVE.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPROMISE, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO, TO JUST THINKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF NUMBERS ONLY THAT COULD HAVE PROPOSED WHATEVER THE MAX MU IS, I DON'T KNOW, THREE, 4,000 AND THEN CUT IT IN HALF.

INSTEAD WE'VE COME DOWN 50%.

IT JUST SEEMS ARBITRARY.

SO WHEN YOU'RE STARTING AT A LEVEL OF ZERO, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT FITS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTED WITH IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ISLAND WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T FIT, IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY JUST BASED ON NUMBERS THAT THERE'S COMPROMISE.

SO I THINK THERE'S A HUGE QUALITATIVE ASPECT TO IT THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT.

ALL WE'VE REALLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS NUMBERS.

AND THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE DESCRIBED SOME COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT OBVIOUSLY ARE, YOU KNOW,

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POSITIVE IN NATURE.

BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT THERE.

I THINK IN MY COMMENTS, I WAS TALKING ABOUT A TOWN SQUARE ATMOSPHERE AND FEEL AND SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REALLY RALLY AROUND.

I DO THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE.

I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THEIR SITUATION, BUT I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE IN GENERAL.

I THINK IT'S WOULD BE AN AMAZING OUTCOME FROM THE CITY.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT THINGS THAT REVITALIZE AREAS, I THINK ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET, RIGHT? THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEN SPROUTED STUFF SPROUTED AROUND THE FARMER'S MARKET.

THERE WASN'T ANY RESIDENTIAL THERE REALLY TO BEGIN WITH.

IT WAS JUST THE FARMER'S MARKET AND STUFF SPROUTED AROUND IT BECAUSE THAT WAS AN ACTIVATING USE.

AND WHEN YOU'RE JUST COMING IN WITH A BUNCH OF RESIDENTIAL THAT IS, IS WAY DIFFERENT AND WAY OUT OF CHARACTER, IT'S ALL GONNA SERVE THE ISLAND AS OPPOSED TO THE SURROUNDING LAND.

RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY VIEW ON THAT.

I KNOW YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE, THE COMPROMISE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER MAYBE FOR JANET MARKHAM TO TALK ABOUT COMPROMISE WITH HENRY MILLER, BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

UH, COULD YOU HELP WITH THAT? THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, DID I, DO I NEED TO REPEAT MY QUESTION? UH, OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND FOR THE QUESTION.

SO, UM, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE AND AGREE WITH WHAT MARK SAID.

UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME OF US THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS, UM, FOR TWO YEARS NOW.

AND LIKE HE SAID, THE, THE COMPROMISE IS, IS HARD TO QUANTIFY SINCE WE STARTED AT ZERO.

UM, I DO HAVE A GENERAL TIMELINE, WHICH I THINK CAN HELP KIND OF EXPLAIN WHERE WE'VE STARTED AND, AND WHERE WE ARE NOW.

AND REALLY IN THE BEGINNING WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO ASK US, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANTED AT THE SITE, WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT AT THE SITE.

AND I THINK PEOPLE WERE VERY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THEY DID WANT, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR DINING AND BOOKSTORES AND RESTAURANTS AND SPLASH PADS AND WATER FEATURES.

YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT, OH MY GOSH, THIS WOULD BE AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY TO TURN IT INTO MORE OF A COMMUNITY CENTERED SITE.

UM, AND THEY SAID, BUT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC CONTROL AND CRIME AND NOISE, UM, AND JUST MORE DENSITY FOR THE SAKE OF DENSITY.

AND VERY TALL BUILDINGS WAS MENTIONED VERY EARLY ON AND THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHERE WE STARTED AND WHERE WE ARE NOW, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN 22 MONTHS OF NOTHING, NO COMPROMISE, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF COMPROMISE.

SO WE DO APPRECIATE THAT WE'VE COME DOWN FROM THE HIGHEST NUMBER THAT THEY STARTED WITH TO 9 84, BUT WHEN THEY STARTED AT THE 2300 UNITS AND THEN WENT TO 1550, THAT WAS STILL A HUNDRED UNITS AN ACRE.

SO HOW IS THAT REALLY A COMPROMISE WHEN THEY JUST REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE SITE BUT KEPT THE SAME DENSITY? SO WE DON'T CONCEDE THAT THAT WAS A CONCESSION, LIKE WE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT ASSERTION THAT IT WAS A CONCESSION.

SO REALLY, I FEEL LIKE THE FIRST CONCESSION OR COMPROMISE WAS COMING DOWN FROM 1550 TO 9 84.

BUT WE'VE ALSO SAID ALL ALONG THAT MARKET RATE APARTMENTS IS NOT WHAT THE AREA NEEDS.

I MEAN, IF THE, THE CITY IS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT CREATING, YOU KNOW, HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES OR MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, MARKET RATE APARTMENTS IS MORE OF THE SAME.

WE'VE GOT THOSE AVAILABLE AND LIKE WE'VE SHOWN ON SLIDES THAT WE'VE SHOWN, THERE'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF MARKET RATE APARTMENTS ALREADY SERVING THAT AREA.

AND I MOVED INTO THE AREA WITH THOSE PRESENT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.

AND THEY ALSO GO TO THE SAME CENTERS THAT I GO TO.

LIKE THAT'S FANTASTIC.

WE ALL LIVE IN HARMONY RIGHT THERE.

BUT WE ARE LACKING, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, VIABLE REAL SENIOR LIVING OPTIONS.

UM, I THINK ONLY INCLUDING SENIOR LIVING AS A BONUS THAT THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UM, MEANS THAT IT'S LIKELY IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

'CAUSE THEY'VE TOLD US THAT THE 750 BASE UNITS ARE WHAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARK SPACE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING.

SO WHAT'S REALLY TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SENIOR LIVING BONUS OR THE MIXED INCOME, YOU KNOW, HOUSING BONUS, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THEY'RE GONNA PAY THE FEE IN LOW IN LIEU AS FAR AS IT COMES TO THAT.

BUT I THINK JUST, AND I'M SORRY IT'S VERY LONG-WINDED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF OF SHOW THAT IT HAS BEEN A TWO YEAR PROCESS FOR, FOR SOME OF US AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THE COMPROMISE HAS EVEN STARTED UNTIL RECENTLY.

AND WE THINK THAT THERE IS STILL ROOM TO WORK ON THEM.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE DID DEFER THE CASE AND GIVE US TIME TO ACTUALLY START THE COMPROMISE CONVERSATIONS.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE REALLY GOTTEN DOWN TO WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE THIS A, A, A PROJECT THAT THE COMMUNITY DOES GET AROUND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA ALL SHOW UP AND DO THIS TODAY.

WE WANTED TO ALREADY HEAR A PLAN THAT WE LIKED AND

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NOT EVEN HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE AND, AND TALK ABOUT IT.

SO I THINK WE STILL HAVE ROOM FOR GOOD COMPROMISE AND UM, HONEST, GENUINE COMPROMISE.

CAN I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION OF JOHN? PLEASE, PLEASE DO.

UH, AND I DON'T MEAN TO MONOPOLIZE, BUT ABSOLUTELY PLEASE DO.

COMMISSIONER JOHN JOHN HUNTINGTON WHO HAD THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, COMMISSIONER.

MY QUESTION IS THIS, UH, EARLIER TODAY IN OUR, IN IN THE STAFF, WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THE STAFF REPORT THIS MORNING? UH, AT WHAT TIME? THIS MORNING? IT WAS BEFORE NOON.

UH, BEFORE NOON.

NO, I WAS NOT ABLE TO.

SO, UH, THE, THE, UM, CITY PLANNERS THAT WERE HERE STATED IF TRAFFIC STUDY, I PRESUME IT'S THE SAME TRAFFIC STUDY THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IN YOUR LETTER, THIS, UH, KH UH, TIA STUDY.

WHAT KIND OF SERVICE PROVIDERS AND RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE BASE.

UH, AND, AND, AND THEY STATE THAT, UM, BUILDING THE, UM, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT, UH, HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY, UM, HENRYS MILLER WILL RESULT IN 70 PER 76% LESS TRAFFIC THAN IF THEY BUILT OUT THE EXISTING, UH, UH, CR DEVELOPMENT AS IT IS TODAY.

AND, AND, UM, I ALSO ASK IF THAT STUDY THAT THIS WAS BASED ON INCLUDED ALL THE, THE ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN WITH TANTE TO THE SOUTH AND DEL NORTE TO THE NORTHWEST, AND THEY SAID IT DID SO, BUT I I I, I TAKE IT THAT YOU, YOU HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT.

SO I WANTED TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE BASICALLY.

I, I CERTAINLY DO AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS, BUT, BUT TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE BECAUSE THIS WAS VERY, THIS IS REALLY VERY COMPLEX AND IT'S, I WILL, I WILL TRY TO, UH, KEEP MY POINTS BRIEF AND, AND NOT GO INTO A, A LONG DISCUSSION ON THIS TO ANSWER I THINK THE SECOND PORTION OF YOUR QUESTION FIRST, AS IT IS THE EASIEST PER THE KIMLEY HORN TIA PREPARED ON PAGE FOUR AT THE START OF THAT, IT IS NOTED THAT THE CHANTE DEVELOPMENT, A NO FORMAL TIA, WAS PREPARED FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME WHEN IT WAS 1200 UNITS.

NOW WE KNOW, OF COURSE IT HAS BEEN REDUCED SUPPOSEDLY TO 500.

BUT GIVEN THAT THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED MU TWO, THEY ARE CLEARLY ENTITLED TO INCREASE THAT DIVINITY AS LATER POINT AS IT HAS NOT CLEARLY BEEN DEVELOPED YET.

SO IN THE TERMS OF THE KIMLEY HORN REPORT, THAT IS A VERY LARGE NUMBER THAT NORMALLY IN A DEFENSIBLE URBAN PLANNING PROCESS THAT I HAVE PROFESSIONALLY SEEN WOULD NOT BE RELIED UPON BY SIMPLY NATIONAL STATISTICAL AVERAGES TO KNOW YOUR BEGINNING OF YOUR FIRST POINT.

THE DIFFICULTY IN ADDRESSING THAT IS THAT THE KIMLEY HORN TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHOULD BE CONCLUSIVE IN GIVING YOU COMMISSIONERS THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO DETERMINE AND ACT BASED UPON THAT DATA.

BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS, RESERVATIONS, IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT AND SITE SPECIFIC QUESTION TO ADDRESS.

DOES MULTIFAMILY ACTUALLY PRODUCE MORE OR LESS TRAFFIC THAN RETAIL? YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE CONSIDERATIONS THAT MULTIFAMILY HAS A HIGHER INCREASE IN TIME DENSE, A TIME TRUCK VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

SO WHILE IT MAY BE LESS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DAY, IT WILL BE FOCUSED AT YOUR ON CLOCK, ON CLOCK OFF WORK PERIOD, WHICH IS THE SAME TRAFFIC THAT JAMS TRITON ROAD CURRENTLY.

SO YOU MAY BE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT.

OVERALL.

IN TERMS OF THE DATA, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE HAD A TWO YEAR PROCESS AND THIS, THE DATA HAS MOVED ON IN THAT TIA, THE KIMLEY-HORN, TIA, WE DON'T REFLECT TUX DATA THAT HAS NOW BEEN COLLECTED FOR 2023.

THERE'S ALSO MISSING PRESTON ROAD INFORMATION FROM 2019 THAT T.GA DAY GAVE.

AND AGAIN, AS I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK BACK AT THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, YOU WILL NOTE THAT THERE MAY NOT BE AS DEFENSIBLE RECONCILIATIONS BETWEEN ALL OF THE AVAILABLE PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DATA SOURCES THAT SHOULD GUIDE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE THEN FINALLY HEARD HERE, AS WE HAVE HEARD COMPROMISE, WE NOW HAVE FIRST FLOOR RETAIL.

MUCH OF THOSE ASPECTS HAVE YET TO BE REFLECTED IN THE ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED KIMLEY HORN, TIA WHEN IT ENCOMPASSED ALL OF 25 ACRES OF THE PROPERTY.

AND A BIG PROBLEM THAT RESULTS IN THE KIMLEY KIMLEY-HORN, TIA BEING FLAWED NOW IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONSIDERATION OF THE INTERNAL TRAFFIC IMPACT CAUSED BY ALL THIS GROUND FLOOR RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, AGAIN, I CAN'T ANSWER SPECIFICALLY WHAT TRAFFIC WILL BE PRODUCED 'CAUSE I LACK THAT DATA.

IT'S A DEMOGRAPHIC DRIVEN DECISION, IT'S A MARKET DRIVEN DECISION.

WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE TENANTS DEMOGRAPHICS IN PRETTY CONCRETE DETAILS OF

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I CAN SAY FROM THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE, A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED, UH, NONPROFIT ASSOCIATION THAT GUIDES URBAN DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE COUNTRY.

THE PROBLEM THAT YOU FACE WITH THE RETAIL IS THAT YOU ARE MARRYING WITHOUT ANY MORE SPECIFICS IN THE PD CONDITIONS OR IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

YOU'RE MARRYING THE WORST TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF GROUND FLOOR RETAIL WITH THE WORST IMPACTS THEN OF MULTIFAMILY WITHOUT ANY PLAN TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS AND IMPACTS TO TRAFFIC.

SO AGAIN, IT'S MY PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION LOOKING AT THIS AS CONCERNED CITIZEN, THAT THIS COUNCIL NEEDS BETTER CONCRETE DATA, WHETHER OR NOT YOU SUPPORT DENSITY TO SIMPLY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION THAT IS ACTUALLY TRAFFIC FORWARD AND FOCUSED ON BOTH PEDESTRIAN SAFETY BUT EQUALLY VEHICULAR SAFETY.

BUILDINGS AND, UM, AND A LOT OF CREVICES AND SECOND STORY BALCONIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU THAT ARE ALL EMPTY, UM, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE BARS THAT ARE ROLLING PEOPLE OUT AT TWO IN THE MORNING, UM, YOU HAVE PARKS THAT ARE LIT AT A PEDESTRIAN LEVEL AND YOU HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE SECURE.

COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU STEP YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHO WANTS TO ANSWER THIS.

UM, PERHAPS THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO SPOKE EARLIER, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONCERN ABOUT CRIME IS.

CRIME'S MENTIONED IN A LOT OF THE EMAILS, EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CONCERN IS.

NOBODY REALLY ARTICULATED WHAT CRIME, WHAT THE SOURCE OF THE CRIME IS.

I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A HIGH APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A PARK.

WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU THE, THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE YOU IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAD THE MEETING WITH JANIE SCHULTZ AND SHE HAD EVERY DEPARTMENT COME UP, SHE PUT THE POLICE ON THE SPOT AND ASKED THEM, CAN YOU GUARANTEE THAT CRIME WILL REMAIN WHERE IT IS? IT WILL INCREASE IF WE INCREASE DENSITY AND THEY COULDN'T DO IT.

BUT WHAT CRIME, CRIME OVERALL, BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING MORE PEOPLE WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF POLICE, NOT ADDING MORE YEAH.

RESPONSE TIME, SORRY.

SO IT'S PRETTY EASY IF YOU ADD MORE PEOPLE, YOU NEED MORE POLICE, WE'RE NOT ADDING MORE POLICE CRIME WILL PROBABLY GO UP.

WHY WOULDN'T IT? IT'S HAPPENING IN NEW YORK RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S LESS POLICE, THERE'S MORE CRIME.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO COME UP.

OKAY, THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER, BUT THANK YOU FOR, FOR TRYING.

IF I COULD, UM, IF I COULD GIVE A SHOT AT THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MY PROCESS THROUGH ALL OF THIS TO UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF AS MANY ISSUES AS POSSIBLE.

AND, UM, MOST OF THE AREA UP IN THAT PART OF THE WOODS WHERE WE ARE, UM, THE APARTMENTS THAT WE'VE ARE GOTTEN USED TO ARE A STYLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF CARPORTS, HAVE A LOT OF CARS THAT COME IN AND OUT AND, UM, PEOPLE SOCIALIZE IN THE PARKING LOTS AND ALL THAT.

SO IT'S JUST A VERY DIFFERENT VIBE.

AND WHAT WE FIND IS THAT, UM, WE, WHEN WE TEND TO HEAR ANECDOTES ABOUT PROBLEMS THAT ARE GOING ON A BLOCK OVER OR TWO BLOCKS OVER, INEVITABLY WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MANY CARS THAT ARE THAT ACCESSIBLE TO THAT MANY PEOPLE, UM, THAT'S USUALLY WHERE THAT STARTS IS THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE VISITING IN AND OUT, UM, AND A LOT OF CARS THAT ARE JUST OUT THERE UNLOCKED OR CAN GET KEYED OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A PERCEPTION THAT APARTMENTS TEND TO BE MORE DANGEROUS PLACES.

AND I THINK THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE OLDER APARTMENT STYLES THAT WE HAVE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE VERY MANY APARTMENTS THAT ARE BUILT IN THE, UH, PODIUM STRUCTURE, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE LOCKED GATES, YOU HAVE CAMERAS, YOU HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT.

UM, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE, UH, THE MAIN ISSUE THERE, AT LEAST WITH MY CONSTITUENTS.

UM, AND UH, THEN THE OTHER ASPECT IS JUST AS YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE, THE EXPECTATION IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH HAVING PEOPLE AROUND.

AND THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, CRIME WOULD GO UP AND US SERVICES WOULD GO UP AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHY THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OR WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME.

IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC CONCERN ABOUT CRIME THAT THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE AS A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? UM, AGAIN, PERSONALLY, UH, I DO KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, A FAIRLY RECENT, UH, SIGNIFICANT ISSUE WITH, UH, WITH SOME POTENTIAL CRIME THAT THE POLICE HAVE BEEN LOOKING VERY CLOSELY AT, UM, VERY CLOSE TO PEPPER SQUARE.

UM, AND THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT, UM, HAVE BEEN PUSHED AROUND IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY'VE BEEN PUSHED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO THEY'RE, UM, KIND OF HANGING OUT, LOOKING FOR STUFF TO DO, THAT SORT OF THING.

IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM IN THE BLANK PARKING LOT AT PEPPER SQUARE, UH, ESPECIALLY VERY LATE AT NIGHT.

SO WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE THERE.

THE POLICE ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF IT AND EVENTUALLY THAT MAY END UP MOVING INTO ANOTHER PLACE.

THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUES.

UM, WITH PEPPER SQUARE ITSELF, WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A PARKING LOT AND A LOT OF EMPTY

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UH, I THINK THAT OUR EXPECTATION FOR A LOT OF US IS THAT THE FEELING WOULD BE A LOT SAFER FOR FOLKS, UH, THAT ARE JUST WALKING IN AND OUT, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN AN APARTMENT OR A SINGLE FAMILY AT ALL.

DID THAT ANSWER? IT DID.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER, WE GOT SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I, I I, I'M GONNA FOLLOW BACK UP WITH THIS, THIS CRIME, ARE YOU ALL CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE, THE INCREASE OF, OF VAGRANTS THAT'S IN THE AREA? CAN I, CAN I ANSWER? WOULD THAT BE FINE? CAN I ANSWER IT? COULD YOU STATE YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? YEAH.

ARE YOU, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HANGING OUT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT'S VAGRANT, POSSIBLY HOMELESS? PARTIALLY.

I'M KENDALL RICHARDSON.

I LIVE AT 1 3 6 9 5 GOLD MART DRIVE.

BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CRIME THAT'S GOING ON UP THERE AND RECENT, IT'S NOT JUST THE VAGRANTS, BUT YOU HAVE DRUGS, YOU HAVE, UM, ROBBERIES THAT ARE GOING ON, YOU HAVE THEFT THAT'S MAJORLY GOING ON.

SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, IT'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S NOT BEING REPORTED TO YOU ALL, BUT IT'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS DEFINITELY BEEN SAID.

AND YOU THINK DEFINITELY ROBBERIES, VAGRANTS, THE DRUGS, EVERYTHING IS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHAT'S THAT GOT TO DO WITH THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AROUND THE WHOLE AREA? YOU JUST ASKED ABOUT THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ASKED.

HELLO? I'M TELLING YOU.

GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER.

WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

COMMISSIONER KINGTON, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THAT IS, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE UPTICK IS, IS NOT JUST IN, IN THAT AREA, THAT IT, THAT THE UPTICK IS ALL OVER THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO VAGRANTS AND, AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S, AND IT IS LOWER IN THAT, IN THOSE IN, IN, UH, UP IN THOSE AREAS THAN IT IS IN OTHER AREAS THAT HAS PROXIMITY TO, UM, HOMELESS SHELTERS AND, AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS.

ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? WHO ME? YEAH, I'M AWARE OF THAT, BUT 'CAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING OF BUNCH OF WHAT'S HAPPENING UP THAN IT IS IN THE SOUTH.

SO WE ARE HEARING A BUNCH OF, WE HAVEN'T, WELL WE'VE HEARD A BUNCH OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE HEARING A BUNCH OF IS POTENTIAL OR IS IT GOING TO BE MORE CRIME, BUT WITHOUT ANY STATISTIC, HAVE ANY, HAVE YOU ALL CHECKED THE STATISTICS OF, UM, SHOPPING AREAS SUCH AS NORTH PARK, UM, CLOSE TO NORTH PARK MALL THAT HAS THAT COMBINATION OF APARTMENTS? UM, BECAUSE THE ONLY COMPARISON THAT WE REALLY HAD TO WHAT, WHEN YOU ALL ARE CONCERNING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR OF PROJECT IS I THINK THE YOUNG MAN SAID NEW YORK, BUT WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME STYLES HERE THAT DID YOU ASK FOR THAT DATA TO SEE IF THOSE STYLES THAT ARE MIMICKING WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HAS AN UPTICK OF CRIME? SEE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

OKAY, LEMME OKAY.

THE TRAIN, THERE ARE NINE 90 TIMES A DAY THAT A TRAIN WILL GO THROUGH THAT, THAT UM, AREA RIGHT BELOW SOUTH OF THE, UM, POLICE STATION OF NORTH CENTRAL.

I'M DIANE BENJAMIN.

I'M A FORMER PRESIDENT OF PRESIDENT HOLLAND NORTH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, 950 FAMILY MEMBERS.

I WAS ROBBED AT GUNPOINT IN MY BACKYARD.

UM, I AM ALSO, UH, BEEN A VI A, UM, SEAWAY REP FOR NORTH CENTRAL AND, UH, THAT IS CRIME WATCH EXECUTIVE BOARD.

AND WE WERE VERY, VERY, UH, POTENT, VERY IMPORTANT, UH, PART OF, UH, HELPING TO, UH, ASSIST, BE AN ASSIST TO OUR POLICE CHIEF.

UM, CRIME IS PERVASIVE.

I'M SURPRISED YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT CRIME WHEN IT IS A MAJOR CONCERN AS A REALTOR, THIS IS THE FIRST QUESTION THAT PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT CRIME STATS IN THE AREA THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVEN WHAT USED TO BE SCHOOLS.

NOW IT'S CRIME.

THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION.

UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THE HIGH DENSITY APARTMENTS WE HAVE CAR ROBBERIES, VANDALISM OF CARS, WE HAVE, UH, HIGH DENSITY IS, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE A CITY THAT, UH, ALLOWS, UH, ROBBERIES UP TO $900, YOU CAN GET, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE PROSECUTED.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY.

WE HAVE, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT NORTH CENTRAL POLICE STATION SERVES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

AND WITH THE NEW SILVER LINE,

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AND IF A I NEED A POLICE OFFICER IN AN EMERGENCY COMING FROM NORTH CENTRAL, THEY WILL BE STOPPED AT THAT, AT THAT, UM, RAILWAY.

RAILWAY.

COMM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

MA'AM.

MA'AM, MA'AM, THANK YOU.

SO AS FAR AS CRIME IS CONCERNED, IT'S PERVASIVE.

I DON'T KNOW WHO I'M TALKING TO HERE ON THE, WHETHER I'M TALKING TO THE COMMISSIONERS OR TO THE LADY WHO IS KIND ENOUGH TO CALL IN, BUT, UH, IT IS A SERIOUS CONCERN.

I'M A COMMISSIONER, ALSO AN APARTMENT DEFINITELY THAT'S IF YOU WERE TO READ, UH, ANYTHING IN, IN THE, UH, PAPERS AND AS WELL AS, UM, LOCAL, UH, UM, NEXT DOOR YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS THANK YOU MA'AM.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN OFF YOUR QUESTION.

I'M NOT GETTING AN ANSWER, ANSWER, ANSWER.

AND BECAUSE THE ANSWER, THE ANSWER THAT I'M ASKING FOR IS I'VE NOT HEARD WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SAID THAT, THEY ASKED THE POLICE OFFICER WHEN THEY ASKED, UM, WHEN IT WAS PUT ON THE SPOT FOR, UH, A, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF WOOD CRIME GO UP, BUT IT WAS ONLY COMPARED TO NEW YORK.

WE ARE NOT NEW YORK CITY.

WE ARE TEXAS AND WE'RE DALLAS.

SO WAS THAT ANY INFORMATION, WAS THERE ANY INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU ALL ON OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE WENT THROUGH THIS CHANGES AND DID THE CRIME UPTICK? BECAUSE I'M HEARING SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND I ALMOST WOULD RATHER YOU ALL JUST STRAIGHT OUT SAY WHAT YOU MEAN.

UM, I'VE HEARD LOW INCOME, I'VE HEARD CRIME, I'VE HEARD A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WOULD, AND THEN I HEARD SOMEONE, UH, THE DEVELOPERS PRETTY MUCH SAY SECTION A IS NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED UP HERE.

SO JUST SAY, I REALLY WANT YOU ALL TO JUST GIMME THE INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE, ANY DATA THAT RELATES TO THAT BECAUSE, UM, I I CAN, I CAN PULL DOWN THAT ACTUALLY IS OPPOSITION.

I COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT A COMPARISON TO NEW YORK AND CRIME, I DIDN'T ASK FOR COMPARISON TO NEW YORK.

THE, THE, THE, THE YOUNG MAN IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, THE YOUNG MAN IN THE, THE YOUNG MAN THAT ANSWERED A QUESTION, UH, TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID NEW YORK.

I DID NOT, I I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO, HE SAID NEW YORK, NOT ME.

I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT CRIME WRIT LARGE ACROSS THE CITY IN NEW YORK, COMPARISON NEW COMPARING NEW YORK TO THE CITY IS GETTING DIVORCED FROM A LAND USE CONVERSATION.

EXACTLY, BECAUSE WE WE ARE NOT IN, WE'RE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT'S OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU MA'AM TO ANSWER.

SHE SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MA'AM.

I JUST WANNA ANSWER, I BELIEVE THAT SHE GOT AN ANSWER HER QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? I DON'T.

THE GENTLEMAN IN THE PLAID SHIRT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM.

I DON'T COMMISS, I DON'T THINK YOU HEARD WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.

I DID.

NO, I DON'T THINK YOU HEARD THE CHURCH.

I'VE HEARD EXACTLY WHAT I, YOU ALL HAVE SAID.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

WHAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

COMMISSIONERS, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR FOLKS? SORRY, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, WERE YOU ASKING A QUESTION? THERE'S NO QUESTION I I WAS TOLD.

I'M LOOKING.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE FOLKS ON COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, LET'S GO TO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

DOES THAT TRIGGER WHERE IT IS THEY GOING TO, I MEAN, WHEN DOES THAT TRIGGER THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS MI 5% MAYBE AFFORD, I MEAN, UM, MICRO UNITS THAT'S AFFORDABLE.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND THEN, UH, VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR STAFF.

STAFF BY ANY CHANCE WERE, UH, WOULD THIS QUALIFY WITH THIS, WOULD THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT QUALIFY FOR MICRO UNITS? UM, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO SO MANY DIFFERENT, UM, UM, SERVICES OR IS IT ONLY IF IT'S KINDA LIKE MORE MORE OF BARS AND RESTAURANT AREAS? MICRO UNITS WERE NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDERED WITH THIS PROJECT.

UM, IS THERE ANY REASON? I MEAN MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW.

WHEN, WHEN DO THEY CONSIDER IT? UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A HIGH RETAIL AREA WHICH WOULD HAVE A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT, IS THERE A REASON WHY? I'M JUST ASKING 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

WHEN DO YOU ALL CONSIDER MICRO UNITS? THAT DOES SOUND LIKE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING UNIT.

SO I KNOW THAT STAFF WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OF COURSE, BUT IT DOES NOT GUARANTEE AFFORDABILITY OF COURSE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE AIMING FOR.

UM, OKAY, BECAUSE I NOTICED SOMETHING I'M ASKING.

'CAUSE SOME OF OUR PROJECTS THEY AUDIT, THEY HAVE MICROUNITS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY USUALLY, THEY, THEY WILL SAY THAT WE ARE DOING THE MICRO UNITS, BUT WE ARE MIGHT DO THE LOU FEE ON THE OTHER PERCENTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND SO WHEN DOES, WHEN

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AND THEN THE OTHER PERCENT THAT'S, UH, BECAUSE I THINK I, DID THEY SAY THAT THEY WERE DOING MORE SINGLE UNITS OR SOMETHING? THAT MAY BE A GOOD ALTERNATIVE.

PEOPLE GET AN EQUAL TIME HERE.

PEOPLE GET EQUAL TIME HERE.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? NO, COMMISSIONER LER A QUESTION FOR THE CHAIR.

THE PREVIOUS TWO SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE ABOUT CRIME IN THE COMMUNITY, DID WE GET THEIR ADDRESSES READ, READ INTO THE RECORD? AND IF NOT, CAN WE HAVE 'EM DO THAT QUICKLY? WE, I THINK THAT THEY, THEY DID SPEAK AND SO WE DID GET 'EM IN THERE.

THEY JUST, WE, WE TEND NOT TO ASK FOLKS TO, UH, BEGIN THEIR COMMENTS WITH THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN WE ASK THEM QUESTIONS.

YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

UH, JUST ONE VERY, VERY BRIEF QUESTION AND JUST, JUST TO GET ON THE RECORD, UH, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED AT MU 3M U2 AND TWO WEEKS AGO, 10 DAYS AGO, UH, THERE WAS A RUBBER BAND SNAPPED AND THE PROJECT DOWNSIZED.

COULD YOU COMPARE THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL TO MU TWO? SO THE MU TWO DISTRICT ALLOWS A VARIETY OF DWELLING, UNIT DENSITY AND HEIGHT.

AND IT'S BASED ON THE MIX OF USES THAT ARE PROPOSED WITH THE PROJECT.

FOR ONE SINGULAR USE, IT WOULD ALLOW UP TO 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

SO THE BASE PROJECT REQUESTED TODAY IS 48.5 PER ACRE.

SO THEY ARE UNDER THE BASE WITH NO MIX OF USES.

HOWEVER, THIS PD REQUIRES THAT THERE BE, UH, RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 35,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, ALL OF THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE FRONTING ALONG THE UM, OPEN SPACES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 50% RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

AND FOR THAT REASON, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY AT MINIMUM TWO, IF NOT THREE DIFFERENT USES, UH, WITHIN THE MIX OF USES.

AND THE BASE MU TWO DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW THEN EITHER 75 DWELLING UNITS PER PER ACRE OR A HUNDRED DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR BASE CODE IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS TO ALL RESIDENTS IN DALLAS, INCLUDING THE AGED, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES FOR MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY AND FAIR ACCESS TO GOOD HOUSING IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE AT WHAT'S 5% MIXED INCOME HOUSING AT AN UM, AREA, MEDIUM FAMILY INCOME OF 51 TO 80% WOULD GIVE THEM AN ADDITIONAL 60 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

SO THEY COULD HAVE UP TO 160 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE PER CODE WITH AN MU TWO DISTRICT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE NEAR WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS LATEST RENDITION OF THE CONDITIONS, WHICH PUT THEM AT JUST ABOUT 53 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

OKAY, SO WOULD, UM, THE MU TWO BASE WOULD BE ROUGHLY 1500 UNITS WITH THE MIH BONUS? WE'RE TALKING 2,480 OR SOME ODD 2,500.

SO, SO THE A TWO BASE, 1,550 SOME ODD, THE DANGEROUS THING TO BE DOING MATH HERE AT THE HORSESHOE? CORRECT.

BUT 1500 OR SO? YES.

SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOTAL BASED OFF OF THE ACREAGE OF 15 POINT 51 ACRES, IT IS 1,550 DWELLING UNITS FOR THE SITE.

IF IT WAS JUST THE BASE CODE AND IF THEY ADDED THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING OF 5% OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY COULD GO UP TO ALMOST 2,800 DWELLING UNITS AT THIS SITE.

OF THE REQUESTS, THEY DID BRING IT DOWN TO 165 FEET, WHICH WAS SUITABLE FOR THE SITE AS TO BE INCLUDED BY RIGHT RATHER THAN BY BONUS.

SO THE, THE BASE TODAY IS PROPOSED IS ROUGHLY HALF OF WHAT MU TWO WOULD BE AND WITH THE BONUS AT 980 FOR WHATEVER THE, THE BONUS WOULD BE FOR THIS? IT'S CORRECT.

IT'S LESS THAN A THIRD, MAYBE ABOUT A THIRD ACTUALLY, ABOUT WHAT THE MIH WOULD BE FOR JUST A STRICT MU TWO.

WHAT ABOUT HEIGHT? SO THE HEIGHT FOR AN MU DISTRICT ALSO VARIES BASED ON THE MIX OF USES AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, ALSO GREATER THAN WHAT IS PROPOSED BY THE PD TODAY.

THE HEIGHT FOR AN MU TWO DISTRICT IS BETWEEN 135 TO 180 FEET.

AND BECAUSE STAFF FOUND THE MU TWO BASE TO BE, UM, SUITABLE FOR THIS SITE, THAT IS WHY IT'S NOT A BONUS ANY LONGER.

NOW, ONE OF THE EARLIER RENDITIONS THEY HAD REQUESTED UP TO 290 FEET AND THAT WAS A BONUS FOR PROVIDING MIXED INCOME HOUSING.

BUT THEY, IN THE MANY ITERATIONS AND BRING THE DROPDOWNS

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SO TODAY'S ITERATION HAS GONE EVEN FURTHER TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT BY PROVIDING THE HEIGHT AREAS BY THE BASICALLY SUB AREA OR PHASE AS NOTED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHERE OVER TWO THIRDS OF THE SITE IS LIMITED TO JUST 75 FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER, ABOUT HALF OF THE MINIMUM HEIGHT FOR AN MU TWO DISTRICT.

AND THEN ONE THIRD OF THE SITE IS GRANTED 165 FEET ALONG PRESTON.

THANK YOU MR. RUBIN.

UM, MS. MUNOZ, EARLIER THIS MORNING DURING THE BRIEFING WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, WHICH RELIES ON A MEASURE FROM HUD CALLED AREA MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, A MFI.

AND THE WAY THAT THE CITY DOES THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING OR DIFFERENT BANDS, THEY'RE TYPICALLY 51 TO 60% OF A MFI 61 TO 80 AND 81 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A MFI.

CAN YOU LET ME KNOW WHAT THE INCOME'S, EITHER FOR AN INDIVIDUAL OR FOR, LET'S SAY A FAMILY OF FOUR WOULD BE AT SAY 50% OF A MFI? CERTAINLY FOR, UM, YOU SAID FOR 50%? YEAH, LET'S START WITH 50%.

I THINK THAT'S FOR THE FOUR IS FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR AT 50% A MFI, IT'S $55,150 A YEAR.

AND IF YOU WENT UP TO 60%, DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER? 66,180.

80% 88,250.

AND JUST THE FLAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A MFI 110, 300.

I ALSO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. MOORE.

UM, IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL SPEAKERS IS THEY WANT A HOUSING PRODUCT ON THIS SITE THAT IS NOT FOR RENT, BUT FOR SALE.

ARE WE ABLE TO MANDATE THAT A, THAT HOUSING BE FOR SALE AS OPPOSED TO FOR RENT THROUGH ZONING? DOES STATE LAW ALLOW US TO DO THAT? SORRY, VICE SHA RUBEN, THAT MIC WAS NOT WORKING.

UH, NO.

STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.

ULTIMATELY THE QUESTION IS, UM, A LAND USE AND IT'S A RESIDENCE, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S FOR SALE AND OCCUPIED BY AN OWNER OR OCCUPIED BY A RENTER.

THE LAND USE, THE UNDERLYING THING IS THE SAME.

IT'S JUST A RESIDENCE AND WE CAN'T RESTRICT OWNERSHIP VERSUS FOR SALE OR FOR RENT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UM, MS. MUNOZ, I HAVE ONE QUESTION BASED ON YOUR, THE QUESTION THAT CHAIR SHE DID ASK.

IS IT SAFE TO SAY, AND BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS AND THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE GIVEN US, IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR, THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS SCALED DOWN AND COMPROMISED ON HEIGHT AND DENSITY BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME? SO BASED ON WHAT THEY CAN HAVE AND, AND THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE READ THAT IF THEY WANT MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS AND, AND ALL THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT UTILIZING THE, THE, THE, THE MOST DENSE, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY CAN DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

SO BASED OFF OF THE GENERIC ZONING CATEGORIES IN OUR CODE, THAT'S CORRECT.

BASED OFF OF THEIR EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS, IT'S WRONG BECAUSE NO RESIDENCES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED AND THE CR DISTRICT HAS VERY DIFFERENT BASE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

BUT IF THEY WERE TO ASK TODAY FOR JUST A MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT, THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS.

ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

THEY ARE CLOSER TO ONE THAN THEY ARE TWO.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY STARTED THIS REQUEST AS A VERY TAILORED VERSION OF MU THREE, A VERY DENSE REQUEST WHERE THEY WERE ASKING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, ASKING A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A LOT OF THE AREA FOR SERVICES AND SUCH.

BUT THEY'VE BROUGHT THAT DOWN AND NOT ONLY HAVE THEY BROUGHT THAT DOWN, BUT THEN THEY DID.

SO AGAIN TWO WEEKS AGO WHERE THEY HAVE SLASHED IT SIGNIFICANTLY IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY, NOT THE OTHER ITEMS, INCLUDING THE BENEFITS THAT WERE PROVIDED.

IT'S DEFINITELY AS, AS I NOTED RIGHT NOW WHEN DISCUSSING THE HEIGHT AND OF COURSE THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, MOST OBVIOUSLY IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN WHAT MU TWO PERMITS, THEREFORE CLOSER TO MU ONE.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, UH, JENNIFER, UH, MS. MUNOZ, UM, YOU INDICATED THAT THIS PROJECT NOW IS GOING DOWN WHERE IT'S MORE LIKE MU ONE THEN IN OVERALL CHARACTERISTICS? YES, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

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WHAT, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT AGAIN? FOR WHAT MU ONE? WELL, THE HEIGHT ISN'T REALLY THE BIGGEST FACTOR.

IT'S THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN PULL UP FOR YOU IN JUST A SECOND IF YOU'D LIKE.

BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT IS FOR MU ONE.

SURE, THANK YOU.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S MORE LIKE MU ONE, I, I, I THINK IT'D BE REASONABLE TO KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT IS FOR U ONE A HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE.

MAY, MAY I SHARE A, A CHART? A CHART.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR BRINGING ME THE CODE.

THAT'S THAT I WAS TRYING TO PULL UP ON MY PERSONAL DEVICE HERE.

SO FOR AN MU TWO DISTRICT, I'M SORRY, MU ONE DISTRICT, THE HEIGHT RANGES FROM 80 FEET WITH NO MIX OF USES ALL THE WAY UP TO 120 FEET.

SO, SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT U ONE IS UP TO 120 FEET? CORRECT.

80 TO 120 FEET.

BUT AS I MENTIONED, THE THING THAT IT'S CLOSEST TO IS THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, NOT SO MUCH THE HEIGHT.

'CAUSE THE HEIGHT IS VERY SIMILAR TO MU TWO, WHICH GOES UP TO 185 FEET.

BUT IN TERMS TERMS OF THE HEIGHT, THEY'RE ASKING 1 65 IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT, THE PHASE B, THE PHASE P PROJECT, UH, IS 165 FEET.

THAT WAS MORE LIKE THE MU TWO CATEGORY? YES, EXACTLY.

BECAUSE THE MU TWO GOES UP TO 180 5 IN TERMS OF HEIGHT.

IN TERMS OF DENSITY, IT'S CLOSER TO MU ONE, WHICH I CAN GO OVER THAT ONE IN JUST A SECOND.

BUT I WILL, I WILL JUST SAY THAT, UM, THE, THE HEIGHT OF COURSE IS LIMITED BY THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT IF FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU CHOSE TO CHANGE THE BASE OF THIS PD, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY BRIEFING, THE HEIGHT COULD ALSO BE A MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS TO REACH THAT 1 65 THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.

THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION FOR COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.

I I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, CONCLUSIVELY IN, IN ONE.

OF COURSE, OF COURSE.

THE, THE DENSITY IS, IT GOES FROM 15 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE UP TO 25 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AT ITS BASE.

SO IT'S ABOUT HALF OF WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING RIGHT NOW.

SO THEY'RE STUCK SOMEWHERE BETWEEN MU ONE, MU TWO, MU ONE'S A LITTLE TOO LOW FOR WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WORLD OF PROVIDING THEM DENSITY BONUSES, DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WRITE IT.

BUT THIS IS AGAIN, WHY STAFF FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT MAINTAINING THE PROJECT AND ITS INTEGRITY THAT WE HAD BROUGHT BEFORE YOU TWO WEEKS AGO, AND THAT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED IS THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WITH THE MAXIMUM, UH, DWELLING UNIT DENSITY OF 1,558, UH, DWELLING UNITS FOR THE SITE COMMISSIONERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.

DID COMMISSIONER, DID ANYBODY ONLINE HAVE A QUESTION? ANY OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ONLINE HAVE A QUESTION? I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR.

RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.

THE RESTRICTION FOR REQUIREMENT OF AN SUP WOULD EXIST.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, UM, I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND, AND BUCKLE UP, BECAUSE THE MOTION IS ONE, THE LENGTHIER ONES THAT I'VE MADE, UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 3 5 8.

I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS UNDER SECTION 1 0 9, ADD A NEW SUBSECTION C THAT READS THE FOLLOWING.

MAIN USES ARE PERMITTED BY SUP ONLY OFFICE USES FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WITH DRIVE-IN WINDOW WOULD BE PERMITTED BY SUP ONLY AND UNDER RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE WOULD BE PERMITTED BY SUP ONLY.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT MEANT TO RESTRICT, LET'S JUST, THOSE PARTICULAR TWO USES FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WITH DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW AND RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE THROUGH SERVICES WHERE

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A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WITH DRIVE-IN WINDOW FALLS UNDER OFFICE.

SO IT'S UNDER THE OFFICE USE CATEGORY ON SUBSECTION D REGARDING DENSITY, FOLLOW THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST REPLACE, UH, PARAGRAPH ONE 11 F TWO WITH THE FOLLOWING SUB AREA.

PHASE P IN GENERAL, MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 125 FEET AFTER PARAGRAPH ONE 11 F TWO INSERT A NEW SUBDIVISION THAT READS INCREASED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN SUB AREA PHASE P IF COMPLIANT WITH SECTION 51 P, UM, ONE 18 A ONE.

MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 165 FEET, UM, IN SUBDIVISION OR PARAGRAPH ONE 12 A TWO, REPLACE THE REFERENCE TO 51 P ONE 16 A ONE OR A TWO WITH THE REFERENCE TO 51 P ONE 18 A ONE IN SUBSECTION 1 1 2 E REGARDING SURFACE PARKING LOCATION FOLLOWED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IN, UH, PARAGRAPH ONE 15 B SIX REGARDING THE FENCING FOLLOWED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST ON SUBSECTION ONE 15 C REGARDING PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES AND OPEN SPACES.

A AND B FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF SIX WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES.

STRIKE PEDESTRIAN WAY FINDING SIGN, BENCH AND TRASHCAN ON SUBSECTIONS ONE 17 B THROUGH C REGARDING SIGNAGE, FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON, UH, SUBSET ON SECTION ONE 18 FOR THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON A ONE AND DO NOT INCLUDE A TWO ON SECTION 1 21 REGARDING THE TRAIL CONNECTION.

FOLLOW STAFF'S LANGUAGE PROPOSED FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND FINALLY, ADD A NEW SECTION TITLED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT THAT READS AS FOLLOWS.

THE BUILDING OFFICIALS SHALL NOT ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION UNLESS THERE IS AN EXECUTED DEVELOPER AGREEMENT OR CONTRACT FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF BELTLINE ROAD AND BERRY TRAIL AS DETERMINED BY THE DIRECTOR.

THANK YOU MR. RUBIN, FOR YOUR MOTION.

I THINK YOU HAD MULTIPLE SECONDS, BUT COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT WAS, WAS FIRST COMMENTS MR. RUBIN.

UM, IS PUSHED AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT AS MUCH AS IT COULD BE.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS CASE FOR AN HOUR HERE, BUT I, I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF SINCE I'VE SPENT DOZENS OF HOURS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF HOURS ON THIS OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS AFTER STEPPING IN AFTER, UM, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, UM, MOVED ON TO GREENER PASTURES AFTER THE, THE PLANNED COMMISSION.

UH, SO THE FIRST THING THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS IS THE FACT THAT MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT IS A CRITICAL WAY TO MEET OUR HOUSING NEEDS.

AND IF NOT AGING SHOPPING CENTERS LIKE THIS ONE WHERE WE HEAR MANY OF PEOPLE SAY THAT WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DENSITY, BUT JUST DON'T PUT IT IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

WELL, THIS IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL HOUSING TO MEET OUR, OUR CITY'S DIRE HOUSING SHORTAGE.

AND I'LL ADD THAT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST MIXED USE REDEVELOPMENT OF AN AGING SHOPPING CENTER THAT WE'VE SEEN.

UM, AND IT DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE THE LAST THAT WE SEE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS GIVING THE NUMBER OF AGING SHOPPING CENTERS AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL THAT WE SEE IN LIGHT OF TRENDS SHIFTING BUSINESS MORE FROM, YOU KNOW, STOREFRONTS TO, TO E-COMMERCE.

UM, THE NEXT POINT IS I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT, AND REALLY DO APPRECIATE WHERE THE APPLICANT'S COME ON THE DENSITY.

UM, THEY'VE DROPPED IT SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE WHEN I PICKED THIS, THIS CASE UP WHEN IT WAS AT 1550 TO 9 84.

THAT'S A DROP OF OVER A THIRD, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AS TO THE TRAFFIC, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT IT.

I'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC ENGINEERING IN GENERAL, AND, YOU KNOW, THE ALTERNATIVES SEEM WORSE IF WE KEEP THE ZONING THE SAME, GIVING THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS UNDER, UM, COMMUNITY RETAIL TODAY, CONSIDERING HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THAT THAT RETAIL GENERATES RELATIVE TO RESIDENTIAL.

PROBABLY THE HARDEST THING FOR ME ON THIS CASE WAS, UM, THE HEIGHT ON PAID ON, UM, IN PHASE PI THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT HEIGHT.

UM, ONE THING TO NOTE IS IT DOES COMPLY WITH RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN THE PD CONDITIONS, WHICH IS OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE'S.

PRIMARY, PRIMARY WAY TO ENSURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS RESPECTED WHEN THERE IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, TALLER BUILDINGS BEING PROPOSED AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED ON THE SITE,

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I I REALLY DO SEE A LOT OF PLUSES AND MINUSES.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO HYATT.

THE FACT THAT IT'S TALLER IS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED.

UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T MANDATE IT THROUGH THE ZONING CODE DOES MAKE IT MORE LIKELY THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN OWNERSHIP PRODUCT THAT I'VE HEARD FROM COUNTLESS EMAILS THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT ON THIS SITE IF THERE IS RESIDENTIAL, THE HYATT ALSO ALLOWS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LARGER UNITS FOR FAMILIES.

UM, AND POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE'S SOME DEMAND FOR, YOU KNOW, EITHER MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR LUXURY HOUSING, AND I THINK THE HEIGHT COULD ADD A, A LUXURY HOUSING COMPONENT THAT THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, DESIRABLE AND, AND NEEDED IN THIS MARKET.

ON THE MINUS SIGN, I DO HEAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE LOOK AND THE FEEL OF, YOU KNOW, 165 FEET.

UH, SO WHAT I LANDED ON WAS GOING TO A, A BASE HEIGHT OF 125 FEET AND YOU COULD ONLY GET TO 165 FEET IF THE APPLICANT PROVIDES SOME SORELY NEEDED MIXED INCOME HOUSING, IN PARTICULAR 5% AT 51 TO 60% OF A MI, AND THEN ANOTHER, UM, 5% AT 61 TO 80% OF A MI.

UM, THE LAST THING I WANNA MENTION IS, IS THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE HAS BEEN EXPENSE, UH, EXTENSIVE.

NOT A DAY GOES BY THAT I DON'T GET 20 TO 30 EMAILS ON PEPPER SQUARE, AND THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT WHERE THIS THING LANDED, UM, WHETHER IT'S THE APP, WHAT THE APPLICANT FINALLY CAME IN WITH, UM, A FEW WEEKS AGO, OR THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT I'VE MADE TODAY, UM, IN MY MOTION HAS BEEN SHAPED BY THAT PUBLIC FEEDBACK.

THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN THERE THAT THEY PRESERVE RETAIL, UM, WITH THE 35,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE, IN THE AREA OF REQUEST, AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THE SOUTHERN EIGHT ACRES WAS CUT OUT OF THE REQUEST AND REMAINS COM, UH, COMMUNITY RETAIL.

UM, WE'RE ALSO ENSURING THAT WE GET RETAIL FRONTING ON OPEN SPACE THROUGH THESE PD CONDITIONS.

YOU KNOW, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, I'VE HEARD HILLCREST VILLAGE IS WHAT WE WANT ON THIS SITE.

I'M JUST GONNA SPEAK FRANKLY ABOUT HILLCREST VILLAGE.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER HILLCREST VILLAGE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE A HOUSING COMPONENT.

WHEN WE SEE APPLICATIONS COME IN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOP AGING RETAIL AND FRANKLIN, I THINK THAT HILLCREST VILLAGE WAS A HUGE MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO ADD IN SOME HOUSING.

SO I THINK MOVING FORWARD, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL SEE, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE REQUESTS LIKE THIS.

WE ALSO SAW A DROP IN THE DENSITY IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC FEEDBACK.

WE SAW A, WE SAW IMPROVED OPEN SPACES BY REQUIRING MORE AMENITIES.

AND FINALLY, WHAT I'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM MANY IS THAT WE GET THIS BERRY TRAIL AND BELTLINE INTERSECTION SIGNALIZE.

SO THIS PD, UM, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVES ALL OF THAT.

UH, I WANT TO END WITH SOME THANK YOUS.

I KNOW, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYONE YOU KNOW IS CERTAINLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MOTION THAT I'VE MADE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT I AM NEVER GONNA MAKE ANYONE HAPPY, BUT I DO WANT TO THANK JANET MARKHAM, SEAN JENSEN, MARK LOMBARDI, AND OTHERS FOR THEIR DIALOGUE ON THIS.

UM, DESPITE THEIR DIFFERING OPINIONS, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY CONSTRUCTIVE AND VERY HELPFUL AS I WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS PROJECT AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK, UM, MS. MUNOZ AND DAVID NAVAREZ FOR THEIR VERY THOROUGH DISCUSSION AND HARD WORK ON THIS CONSIDERING THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS CASE.

UM, I ALSO WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER LER AND CHRISTIAN SCHOCK WHO WORKED ON THIS CASE ALONGSIDE ME, AS WELL AS, UH, FORMER COMMISSIONER BRANDY TREADWAY, WHO, UM, TOOK THIS CASE A LONG WAY BEFORE SOME OTHER COMMITMENTS, UH, HAD HER, UM, UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO LEAVE US HERE AT THE CPC.

UM, AND THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANTS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES FOR ALL THIS WORK.

AND FINALLY, FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR YOUR FEEDBACK, UM, ON THIS CASE.

I THINK WE'VE LANDED AT A UM, POINT THAT WORKS, THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO, OF COURSE, MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, BUT I BELIEVE, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT MY COLLEAGUES CAN SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT I'VE MADE.

UM, UH, THIS KIND OF CASE, UH, DESERVES OUR ATTENTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAUSER, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS PLEASE? THANK YOU.

UH, WELL SAID.

UM, VICE CHAIR RUBIN.

UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, OBVIOUSLY I'M SUPPORTING THIS AS A RESULT OF MY, MY SECOND, MY MICROPHONE SET.

UM, I JUST A, A COUPLE THINGS THAT, THAT I WANTED TO SAY, AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO MY BEST NOT TO JUST PURELY READ THIS, BUT I THINK THIS CASE HIGHLIGHTS, UH, THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IN OUR CITY THAT I'VE SPOKEN OF MANY TIMES ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE NOT A GREENFIELD CITY ANY LONGER.

WE'RE NOT EXPANDING, WE'RE, WE'RE REDEVELOPING AND,

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AND, UH, THE, THE HARD WORK THAT, UH, EVERYONE HAS DONE TO GET THIS HERE, UM, THE FIRST PAGE OF THE CASE REPORT AND THE FIRST SENTENCE TALKS ABOUT THIS SHOPPING CENTER BEING INITIALLY BUILT 47 YEARS AGO.

UM, I'VE PRACTICED COMMERCIAL ARCHITECTURE FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW OF ANY COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE ASSET THAT IS RELEVANT AND PROSPEROUS AFTER 47 YEARS.

THEY NEED TO BE REINVENTED, UM, TO, UM, DENY OUR APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECAST THE FUTURE OF A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, UH, I THINK COULD HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.

WE'VE GOTTA BE PREPARED TO, TO, UH, BE COURAGEOUS AND BOLD ON THESE, THESE THINGS.

UM, WE'VE HEARD THAT TRAFFIC IS A REASON TO DENY THIS CASE.

UH, I THINK IT'S PRECISELY BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS CASE IS APPROPRIATE.

UH, THERE'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW IT'S GONNA REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, OF TRIPS TO THE SITE, WHICH, UH, IS, IS, UH, IS GREAT NEWS.

IF, IF WE STARTED, UM, DENYING ZONING CASES AND STOP PRO, UH, PROCESSING ZONING CASES BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC AT VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS AROUND THE CITY, THIS COMMISSION WOULD JUST CLOSE UP.

THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ANYTHING FOR US TO DO BECAUSE EVERYBODY COMES DOWN HERE AND TALKS TO US ABOUT TRAFFIC.

AND SO I, IT'S A REAL, IT'S A REAL ISSUE.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO SAY IT'S NOT A REAL ISSUE, BUT WE, WE CAN'T, WE HAVE NO OBJECTIVE STANDARD TO DENY A CASE ON THE BASIS OF, OF TRAFFIC.

UM, UH, I WANNA THANK AGAIN, VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR HIS HARD WORK.

THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, THE APPLICANT, THE STAFF, UH, THANK YOU, THE PUBLIC, UH, APPRECIATE VICE CHAIR RUBIN, THANKING THE PUBLIC FOR YOUR ENGAGEMENT.

WE DO APPRECIATE IT.

I'VE READ EVERY EMAIL THAT'S BEEN SENT TO ME.

UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE ARRIVED AT A GOOD PROPOSAL OF LESS THAN A THOUSAND UNITS.

THIS EQUATES TO ABOUT 63 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS, WE JUST HEARD FROM, UH, MS. MUNOZ AND OTHERS IS A, IS A VERY MODEST DENSITY COMPARED TO WHAT, UH, WHERE WE STARTED AND, AND WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN, UM, 13% OF THE SITES DEVOTED TO OPEN SPACE.

UM, I'M ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING MORE LIKE EIGHT OR 10% ON CASES LIKE THIS.

UH, I THINK 13% IS, IS, UH, VERY, VERY COMMENDABLE.

AND I, AND I WOULD NOTE THAT, UH, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT IT WILL TAKE YEARS IF PERHAPS MORE THAN A DECADE TO BUILD OUT THIS TOTAL UNIT COUNT.

UH, GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF PHASING EXISTING RETAIL LEASES, THE REALITIES OF CAPITAL MARKETS, THE BUILD OUT COULD TAKE EVEN LONGER THAN THAT.

UM, EVERY CASE THAT WE APPROVE COMES WITH RISKS.

THIS CASE COMES WITH RISKS, BUT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS RISK THAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IF WE DO NOTHING.

DOING NOTHING RE REPRESENTS A REAL RISK FOR OUR CITY.

UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER'S OBSOLETE, DOING NOTHING, NOTHING OR SIMPLY TWEAKING IT, UM, IS NOT A RECIPE FOR A PROSPEROUS FUTURE FOR THIS SITE OR FOR OUR CITY.

WHILE IT MAY BE APPEALING TO IMAGINE THAT WE CAN RETURN TO THE SEVENTIES AND VAST AMOUNTS OF BRICK AND MORTAR RETAIL TO DO SO IS TO DENY THE MASSIVE CHANGES IN THE RETAIL INDUSTRY IN OUR WORLD IN GENERAL.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT RETAIL DESIGN USED TO REPRESENT TWO THIRDS OF THE VOLUME AT MY ARCHITECTURAL FIRM 20 YEARS AGO.

NOW IT REPRESENTS ABOUT 20% OF OUR VOLUME.

UH, THAT'S THE, THE MAGNITUDE OF CHANGE IN THE RETAIL BUSINESS.

UM, THROUGHOUT THE FORWARD DALLAS PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO FOCUS ADDITIONAL DENSITY AND HOUSING ON OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS SITE DOES, IN MY MIND, THAT MAKES IT THE ABSOLUTELY THE APPROPRIATE SITE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT DENSITY AND, AND DEVELOPMENT MIX.

SO, UH, AGAIN, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, SUPPORTING THIS MOTION AND THANK ALL THOSE THAT GOT US TO THIS POINT.

COMMISSIONER FORESITE, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, I AGREE THAT MY MAIN CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN THE, THE, THE HEIGHT, UH, 165 FEET OR 12 STORIES ASSOCIATED WITH PHASE P.

AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, CLARIFY IN YOUR STATEMENT THAT I HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL IS ACTUALLY, UH, CHANGING IT TO 125 FEET, BUT THEN WITH THE ABILITY TO GO HIGHER WITH THE, THE MARKET, UH, ADJUSTMENTS.

UH, PLEASE CLARIFY, ABILITY TO GO HIGHER WITH MIXED INCOME HOUSING WITH MIXED.

I, I, YOU KNOW, UH, I I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE AN EFFORT TO CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATE OUR, OUR COMPROMISE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UH, I, I, I THINK THAT, UH, THEY BROUGHT UP SOME REAL LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY TODAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT, UH, SO I I I, I, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT, SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT I, BUT I DO APPRECIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE REMARKS THAT YOU MADE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

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I WANNA THANK ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT.

UM, THIS IS NOT AN EASY DECISION.

UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS THAT WE HAVE TO BALANCE IN MAKING THIS DECISION.

OFTENTIMES, BY THE TIME WE GET TO THIS POINT IN A CASE, THE PARTIES ARE FAIRLY ALIGNED AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPOSITION.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CASES WITH THIS LEVEL OF OPPOSITION.

AND SO TYPICALLY WE'RE, WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH MORE LIKE A WIN-WIN.

UM, AND FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WE HAVE BEEN GRAPPLING WITH REWRITING OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

AND SINGLE FAMILY ADVOCATES HAVE BEEN DOWN HERE REPEATEDLY SAYING, PLEASE SAVE OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

DON'T PUT MULTIFAMILY IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.

PLEASE PUT IT AT, UM, TOD SITES ALONG BUSY CORRIDORS IN AGING SHOPPING CENTERS, IN AGING INSTITUTIONAL SITES WHERE IT BELONGS.

WELL, THAT IS THIS CASE.

IT'S A, IT'S A TEXTBOOK CASE FOR WHAT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN ASKING US TO DO.

AND IF YOU WANT TO PRESERVE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE LESS DENSITY IN SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SITES LIKE THIS ON A STATE HIGHWAY THAT'S THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION TO PUT DENSITY, BECAUSE WHAT I'VE HEARD YOU ALL SAY IS WE DON'T WANT IT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THAT'S NOT REALITY.

CITIES CHANGE AND THEY EITHER CHANGE FOR THE BETTER OR THEY CHANGE FOR THE WORSE, BUT THEY DON'T STAY THE SAME.

AND WE RECEIVED ABOUT 400 EMAILS ON THIS CASE, AND MANY OF YOU WROTE MORE THAN ONE EMAIL.

WE, I MADE AN EFFORT TO TRY TO READ ALL OF THEM.

AND MANY PEOPLE ASK FOR SIMPLY NO CHANGE.

AND THAT IS JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

THAT IS JUST NOT THE ECONOMIC REALITY WE'RE IN.

AND IT'S NOT THE PRACTICAL REALITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE POPULATION TRENDS THAT ARE HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION.

DFW IS SLATED TO BE THE THIRD LARGEST METROPOLITAN AREA IN THE COUNTRY.

BY 2030, WE'LL OVERTAKE CHICAGO AND DALLAS COUNTY AND TARRANT COUNTY ARE FORMING THE HOLE IN THE DONUT BECAUSE IN, IN PART BECAUSE WE AREN'T BUILDING HOUSING FAST ENOUGH TO HOUSE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANNA LIVE HERE.

AND SO WE'VE GOT A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO PUT A THOUSAND UNITS NEAR TRANSIT AND NEAR, UM, CORRIDORS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC.

I KNOW THAT YOU ALL DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE DATA SHOWS, YOU JUST SIMPLY DON'T BELIEVE IT.

AND I CAN'T HELP THAT.

BUT THE DATA SHOWS THAT TRAFFIC FOR HOUSING IS LESS THAN TRAFFIC FOR RETAIL.

AND THIS HOUSING WILL PRODUCE LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE RETAIL THAT'S THERE NOW.

CERTAINLY LESS THAN THE RETAIL THAT COULD GO THERE UNDER ITS EXISTING ZONING RIGHTS.

AND I DRIVE THIS INTERSECTION EVERY WEEK.

'CAUSE MY OFFICE IS AT MCCULLUM AND PRESTON AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT 14, SO I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA, AND I GET IT, IT'S NOT WONDERFUL, BUT IT CERTAINLY ISN'T THE WORST IN THE CITY, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH OF THE CITY.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU WANT REALLY NICE RETAIL AND YOU WANT NICE RESTAURANTS, THE ONLY THING THAT SUPPORTS THAT IS DENSITY.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.

GREENVILLE AVENUE STRUGGLED FOR YEARS WITH VACANCIES AND A REVOLVING DOOR OF CLOSING RESTAURANTS BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH DENSITY TO SUPPORT IT.

BUT THEN WE GOT TWO BIG APARTMENT COMPLEXES NEAR BELMONT AND GREENVILLE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAD ENOUGH DENSITY WITH A COUPLE THOUSAND MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AREA TO REALLY MAKE THAT AREA THRIVE.

SO IF YOU WANT THE TYPE OF AMENITIES THAT YOU SAY THAT YOU WANT, PART OF THAT COMES ONLY WITH THE TYPE OF DENSITY DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS ARE GOING TO BRING.

SO I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT NOT ONLY BRINGS HOUSING GENERICALLY, IT OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME SENIOR HOUSING SO PEOPLE CAN AGE IN PLACE.

AND WE HAVE NOT ENOUGH OF THAT IN THIS CITY.

IT OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME FAMILY HOUSING, SOME REAL AMENITIES THAT

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THE AREA LACKS, AND IT IS OFFERING SOME GREEN AMENITIES THAT MANY OF THE COMMUNITIES UP THERE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.

UM, THE LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO BE VERY GREEN.

IT, IT, IT'S A, A LOOK FORWARD, NOT A LOOK BACK, LIKE MOST OF THE LANDSCAPING UP THERE.

UM, IT'S GONNA HAVE EV PARKING AND OTHER, UM, MORE MODERN TRANSPORTATION AMENITIES THAT MOST OF THE APARTMENTS UP THERE DON'T HAVE.

UM, AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE OPPOSITION IS, IS, IS BASED ON SOME, UH, MISINFORMATION.

AND I, I THINK THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.

UM, I GET THAT THERE'S CRIME IN THE CITY, BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF YOU ASSOCIATE CRIME WITH APARTMENT DWELLERS.

AND I THINK IF YOU REALLY DELVE INTO STATISTICS, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX LIKE THIS IS NOT GOING TO BRING THE CRIME THAT, THAT YOU ARE ANTICIPATING.

UM, I THINK THE GENTLEMAN IN THE PLAID SHIRT, UM, DID A GOOD JOB OF, OF ARTICULATING SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTS.

UM, AND SO I, I HOPE IN TIME THAT, THAT YOU GROW TO ACCEPT THIS AS A GOOD PROJECT.

THE LAST THING THAT I WILL SAY, UM, IS THAT EVERY, WELL, THE TWO LAST THINGS I'M GONNA SAY, EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERY PART OF THE CITY IS EXPERIENCING THESE GROWING PAINS.

YOU ARE NOT ALONE.

UM, I REPRESENT DISTRICT 14, WHICH IS UPTOWN, DOWNTOWN OAK LAWN AND LOWER GREENVILLE.

AND YOU MAY SAY, WELL, THAT'S THE URBAN CORE.

OF COURSE, THEY HAVE TALL BUILDINGS THERE.

WELL, THEY DO, BUT THE DENSITY THEY'RE USED TO HAVING HAS DOUBLED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

AND FOR THEM, THAT'S AN ADJUSTMENT TOO.

JUST LIKE THIS IS AN ADJUSTMENT FOR YOU.

UM, AND FOR THEM, ADDING THAT LEVEL OF DENSITY CREATES THE SAME TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY, UM, GROWING PAINS IN THOSE PART, THOSE AREAS OF THE CITY, LIKE IT DOES IN THIS AREA OF THE CITY.

THE LAST THING I WILL SAY, UM, IS THAT AS ADVOCATES AT CITY HALL, I SAW A LOT OF BEHAVIOR TODAY THAT I DON'T THINK IS, IS EFFECTIVE.

BOOING YOUR OPPONENTS, THREATENING US, ATTACKING US, YELLING AT US IS SIMPLY NOT EFFECTIVE ADVOCACY.

YOU DIDN'T SEE FORMER COUNCILMAN KLEINMAN DO IT.

YOU DIDN'T SEE FORMER COUNCILWOMAN, UM, GRAYSON DO IT BECAUSE THEY'VE SAT ON THIS SORT SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE AND THEY KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK.

IN FACT, THEY KNOW THAT WHEN YOU BEHAVE THAT WAY, IT OFTEN HAS THE OPPOSITE EFFECT.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL, IF YOU EVER COME DOWN HERE AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HELP YOUR CAUSE.

IT ONLY HURTS IT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION, AND I THANK, UM, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR THE STELLAR JOB THAT HE, HE HAS, UM, DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR, ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UN UNLIKE JUST THE NORTHERN PORTIONS OF DALLAS, I HAVE LAND.

I HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO WIDE, BUT I ALSO WOULD LOVE TO GO TALL AND SAVE SOME OF THE LAND, THE MUCH NEEDED LAND THE CITY NEEDS FOR HOUSING.

I HAVE ONLY ONE TOD.

I DON'T HAVE DARTS RAIL.

I DON'T, I ONLY HAVE ONE TOD ONE DART RAIL.

I DON'T HAVE BUS STOPS.

DART DOESN'T COME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

DART DOESN'T COME TO MY COMMUNITY WALKABLE.

IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A CHOICE.

IT'S A NECESSITY IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CAR.

SO, AND WHEN I GET DEVELOPMENT IN, IN MY DISTRICT, I DON'T GET THE OFFER OF THIS MUCH GREEN SPACE.

I WHAT, WHAT I SEE IN, EVEN IN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS.

IT'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S READILY AFFORDED TO US IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

I COMMEND, UM, MR. KLEIMAN, MR. RUIC, MR. MILLER, I COMMEND COUNCILMAN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ FOR HAVING THE GUTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY KNEW THEY DID NOT WANT.

I COMMEND THE MILLERS FOR CUTTING TO, TO COMPROMISING

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TO THE LEVEL OF COMPROMISE THAT THEY DID, BECAUSE EACH TIME THEY CUT A HUNDRED HOUSES, THEY CUT MONEY OUT THEIR POCKET.

EACH TIME THEY, WHERE THEY WENT FROM, WHEN THEY WENT FROM 2200 TO 1500, THEY CUT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY OUT THEIR POCKETS.

AND FROM 1500 TO 900, THEY'RE CUTTING EVEN MORE.

SO TO SAY THAT, THAT THERE WAS NO COMPROMISE.

I SAY THAT THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF COMPROMISE TO SAY THAT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, IT IS STILL THERE.

IT, THIS HAS NOT, THIS IS NOT MIDBLOCK, DUPLEX, TRIPLEX, QUADS, MIDBLOCK.

THIS IS A CORRIDOR THAT IS SPECIFICALLY AND PURPOSEFULLY LOOKED AT FOR THIS TYPE OF DENSITY.

SO, UM, VICE CHAIR, THANK YOU AGAIN.

UM, COMMISSIONER EFFLER, THANK YOU FOR LEARNING HOW TO DO THIS ON THE FLY.

UM, IT, IT WAS A LOT.

NOT, NOT MANY OF US IN ONE OF OUR FIRST TIMES OUT AS A NEW COMMISSIONER GETS TO SIT WITH ANYBODY AND, AND WRITE A SHIRT, A SKIRT TAIL LIKE THIS.

YOU DID A GOOD JOB.

THERE WERE FOUR PRIMARY ELEMENTS THAT I LOOKED AT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS CASE.

ONE WAS THE DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPOSED.

ONE WAS THE DENSITY OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE PROPOSED, HOW THE OPEN SPACE WAS INTEGRATED WITHIN THE SITE, AND HOW THAT THOSE WERE THEN CODIFIED INTO DESIGN STANDARDS.

EVERY CASE IS EVALUATED INDIVIDUALLY, BUT FOR ME, IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO LOOK AT IT IN THE LARGER CONTEXT.

I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE WORK THAT COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR RUBIN DID ON THIS CASE.

IT IS A MUCH IMPROVED CASE, AND WITH THE CHANGES THAT HE HAS MADE TO THE HEIGHT IN THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT IS IN THE DOCKET BEFORE US, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY IN LINE WITH OTHER CASES THAT WE HAVE APPROVED.

AND IT SEEMS TO BE NOT WHAT MANY IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE SAID, BUT WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM FOLKS SAYING IT NEEDS TO KEEP ITS COMMERCIAL CHARACTER.

WE WANT COMMUNITY SERVING RETAIL.

THERE'S RETAIL NOW EMBEDDED IN THE PROJECT, SOME OF IT THROUGH EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS THAT WON'T BE REDEVELOPMENT.

PERSONALLY, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE MORE AS A PART OF THE PD, BUT IT'S THERE AND IT, WHERE IT IS TO BE ORIENTED IS DEFINED.

THE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD'VE HOPED WOULD'VE BEEN MORE ROBUSTLY INCLUDED WERE HOW THE OPEN SPACE WAS ENGAGED IN THE PLAN.

THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

I THINK A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE COULD ALSO HELP BENEFIT THE PROJECT, AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS WORKED ON DEPENDING ON HOW THIS BODY MOVES FORWARD.

I KNOW THOSE DON'T REFLECT NECESSARILY WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, BUT THEY SPEAK TO THE TYPE OF CHARACTER THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED AND, AND MAKE WHAT ONE OF THE FOLKS SAID, A JEWEL FOR THE CITY, A JEWEL FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

I THINK THE BONES ARE THERE, AND I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WILL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE AND WORK ON THIS BECAUSE YOUR ADVOCACY HAS RESULTED IN WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY.

IT MAY NOT BE WHERE MANY WANT TO SEE IT, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY REFLECTED IN WHAT'S BEFORE US.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE RESPECTFUL IN THAT DIALOGUE BECAUSE IT DOES HELP YIELD RESULTS.

UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I, UM, I I'M GOING TO SUPPORT, UM, THIS, UM, UM, BE SUPPORTIVE OF US PASSING THIS PARTICULAR, UM, CASE IN THE COURT.

WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND THEN THE CONCERNS IS THAT I UNDERSTAND SINGLE FAMILY, UM, WE WANT SINGLE FAMILY AREAS TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS CORRIDOR AND FROM WHEN WE, IT APPEARED, I WAS UP ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS, IT WAS MORE SINGLE FAMILIES AND LESS, UM, MULTI-FAMILY.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR, HAVING, HAVING, HAVING A, A MIXED USE PROJECT WITH A PARK, WE,

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A LOT OF, THEY COULD HAVE PUSHED, NOT PUT THE PARK THERE, ADDED MORE MULTIFAMILY, MEAN, ADDED MORE MULTIFAMILY, AND, AND NOT PUT THAT PARK THERE.

UM, WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT TO HAVE MORE GREEN SPACES AS WE BEGIN TO BUILD AND HAVE DENSITY.

SOMETIMES THAT DOES MEAN GOING UP A LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT PROJECT ON THE GROUND.

UM, BEING IN A CORRIDOR THAT HAD, THAT IS A HEAVILY TRAVELED CORRIDOR, WE KNOW THAT PART, PART OF PERSON BEING HEAVILY TRAVELED IS NOT SO MUCH DENSITY, BUT IT IS A THREE WAY TO, FROM, FROM, UM, LBJ OR SOMETIME EVEN 75.

AND, AND THAT'S A LOT TO DO WITH THE TRAFFIC, HOW, HOW THE TRAFFIC, UH, FLOWS.

I THINK IT IS A GOOD, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOME TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES IF NEED BE, UM, TO BE PUT IN THAT AREA.

BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MORE DENSITY.

THESE ARE THE PROPER WAYS, PROPER AREA FOR US TO PUT THAT DENSITY.

I FIND, UM, I KNOW THERE WAS ISSUES BROUGHT UP ABOUT POSSIBLY CRIME AND DENSITY, BUT I FIND THAT THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAVE A MIXED USE COMPONENT DOESN'T, IS NOT AS, UM, DOES NOT HAVE SO MUCH OF THAT CRIME FACTOR.

UM, I SHOP ALL THE TIME AT NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND, UM, I MEAN, NOT NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, BUT AT, UM, ACROSS FROM NORTH NORTH PARK MALL WHERE THERE IS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT SHARED AND OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE THAT UPTOWN, OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT USES THAT THERE'S NOT AS MUCH CRIME, UM, AS PEOPLE'S COMING THERE IS COMING TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.

UM, IT IS LIKE SOMEONE SPOKE TO IT, NOT BEING, BEING IN TO JOBS CENTRAL.

A LOT OF JOBS ARE IN ADDISON OR GOING OUT IN THAT AREA THAT ARE MORE LIKE TELEMARKETING JOBS.

SO I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT MISSING AND WHAT THE, WHAT THAT, UH, AM, WHAT THAT A MI FOR, UM, OR $80,000 A YEAR, $60,000 A YEAR.

THOSE ARE NOT LIGHTWEIGHT INCOMES, BUT THEY NOW ARE, PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE.

SO ADDING THAT, ADDING SOME OF THAT IN WHEN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO HAVE THAT MIXED INCOME, I I HOPE THAT THE DEVELOPER REALLY LOOKS AT THAT.

THERE IS PLENTY PEOPLE WHO GO TO WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY, NOT TOO FAR, UM, AND LIVE IN RICHARDSON THAT LIVES IN, I MEAN, THAT WORK IN RICHARDSON, ADDISON, UM, CARLTON, WHERE A LOT OF TELEMARKETING JOBS OR A LOT OF PHONE JOBS.

AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO JUST COME TO WORK.

I MEAN, LIVE IN THAT PROXIMITY.

SO I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS GREAT.

UM, UM, AND IT FITS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT CORRIDORS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TURNER.

I'LL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND, UM, NOT, DON'T WANNA WASTE TOO MUCH TIME REITERATING THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID, UH, WHICH I AGREE WITH, WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM.

I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ONE THING THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON BROUGHT UP AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, AND THAT WE, WE WILL BE SEEING OTHER CASES LIKE THIS.

AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE SPENT AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, TALKING ABOUT DENSITY AND HEIGHT AS IF THAT'S A PROXY FOR CREATING GREAT SPACES, UH, UM, IN A GREAT SENSE OF PLACE.

I, I DON'T THINK IT IS.

I THINK WE SPEND TOO MUCH TIME FOCUSING ON, UH, BEATING DOWN APPLICANTS WITH DENSITY MEASURES.

AND ONE OF THE VERY FIRST PLACES, MY MIND GOES AMONG MANY PLACES, BUT ONE OF THE PLACES MY MIND GOES IS NOW WE'VE, WE'VE DILUTED THE BUDGETS FOR THE PUBLIC SPACES, THE PEDESTRIAN SPACES, THE, THE, THE, UM, COMMUNITY, UM, SPACES.

IT, IT DILUTES THE, THE ABILITY FOR AN APPLICANT AND A DEVELOPER TO PUT GREAT ARCHITECTURE IN PLACE.

AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE ALL REALLY CELEBRATE WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO TO SOMEPLACE THAT THAT HAS A SENSE OF PLACE.

AND, UH, I JUST HOPE THAT WE SPEND MORE TIME IN THE FUTURE ON THESE PROJECTS, FIGURING OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN CREATE THAT.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME LIMITATIONS THERE WITH ARCHITECTURE AND, AND, AND THE LIKE, BUT, UM, AND I'D ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR AN EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER LER FOR A, UH, CHALLENGING CASE THAT WAS VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER, BAPTISM BY FIRE.

UM, NOT A LOT MORE TO ADD.

UH, I WILL, OF COURSE, THANK VICE CHAIR RUBIN.

UH, I, I HAVE TO SAY THAT WHEN I ASKED HIM TO TAKE ON THIS CASE, THIS CASE WAS ALREADY A, A DIFFICULT ONE.

UH, IT WAS ALREADY WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT BECAME.

AND SO I I GREATLY APPRECIATE, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN'S COURAGE TO TAKE THIS ON.

UH, AND UNTIL YOU SIT ON THIS SIDE OF THE HORSESHOE AND YOU SEE JUST THE EXTRAORDINARY PRESSURE THAT WE ARE PUT UNDER AS VOLUNTEERS, UH, IT, IT'S HARD TO,

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TO FATHOM THAT, UH, THAT WE AGREE TO DO THIS JOB SOMETIMES.

UH, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU REALLY, THIS, IT'S, UH, IT'S A DIFFICULT JOB TO DO SOMETIMES.

UH, I THINK IT'S NO SECRET THAT, UH, I'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT TROUBLED BY THIS CASE FOR, FOR A WHILE.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROCESS TO ME ON THIS ONE I THINK WAS JUST OFF FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AND, UH, IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO GET THE RIGHT KIND OF RHYTHM.

AND IT WAS OFF FROM THE BEGINNING.

AND I THINK THAT PUT AN EXTRAORDINARY, UH, AMOUNT OF PRESSURE ON, ON THE APPLICANT, ON, ON MY COUNCIL MEMBER, AND FRANKLY ON THE PUBLIC.

AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT, UNFORTUNATELY WAS UNNECESSARY.

UH, I WANT TO THANK, UH, MR. KLEIMAN FOR, UH, TAKING LOTS OF MY CALLS AND MY TEXTS AND SOME OF 'EM HEATED AND SOME OF 'EM WERE 10 MINUTES, SOME OF 'EM TWO HOURS.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE A GENTLEMAN, UH, THE ENTIRE TIME.

UH, I THINK THIS CASE, UH, IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS IN SEARCH OF EQUILIBRIUM AND I, I THINK, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO WE FOUND THAT.

AND, UH, I THINK THIS IS THE, THE BEST VERSION OF THIS CASE THAT WOULD PASS THIS BODY TODAY.

AND A LOT OF TIMES WE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE LARGE CASES ARE, ARE, UH, A PREDICTION OF THE FUTURE ON OUR PART, AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST.

WE, WE DO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WE DO SEE HOW OUR CITY IS CHANGING, UH, AND HOW IT NEEDS TO CHANGE.

AND SO WE ARE TRYING OUR VERY BEST TO HELP MANAGE THAT, THAT GROWTH IN THE SMARTEST WAY WE CAN.

AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST VERSION OF THIS CASE, UH, THAT COULD PASS THIS BODY.

AND SO I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT.

AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A RECORD VOTE PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD HEAR US, SIR.

WE'RE WE'RE TAKING A RECORD VOTE ON THE MOTION ON, UH, FOR APPROVAL.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? AYE.

IT IS FIVE 50.

LET'S TAKE A 30 MINUTE DINNER BREAK RACE TO THIS CITY.

WHAT'S THE POINT OF IT IS 6 22.

OH, WE DON'T HAVE A CALL.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

MM-HMM? .

HEY TED, IT'S TED.

UM, OH, WE MAY NOT BE RECORDING.

WELL, WE MAY NOT BE RECORDING.

WE ARE RECORDING? YES.

OKAY, THEN, UH, IT'S 6:23 PM AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.

WE NEED TO, UH, DISPOSE OF A FEW ITEMS. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE REST OF THE CASE A LITTLE BIT OUT, OUT OF ORDER.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT ITEM NUMBER 20.

AND THEN WE'LL PICK UP THE TWO CASES IN DISTRICT SEVEN AND THE, PARDON ME, SIX.

AND THEN THE BELMONT CASE.

SO 20, THE TWO AND SEVEN, THE BELMONT.

AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK ON, UH, THE ORDER.

GOOD EVENING MA'AM.

AH, WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS.

SORRY, I'M HAVING SOME TECHNOLOGY ISSUES.

WHY ARE WE, IF I NEED TO, AM I SHARING FROM ME?

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UM, ANDREA GILLS, PLANNING IN URBAN DESIGN.

UM, DO YOU NEED ME TO READ THIS INTO THE RECORD AGAIN? YES, PLEASE.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 20.

IT'S CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING CHAPTERS 51 AND 51 A OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 51 4 0.208.

RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT USES SECTION 51 A DASH 4.208 RECREATION USES AND RELATED SECTIONS WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO DEFINING A USE PRIVATE GAME CLUB AND ESTABLISHING APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICTS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

ZAC RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO ADOPT THE PRO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? ITEM NUMBER 20.

ANY LAST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, VICE, DO YOU HAVE MOTION, SIR? OH, UH, IS IT COMMISSIONER HOUSE? SORRY, PARDON ME, MR. ALRIGHT, IN? NO, I'LL, I'LL DO IT.

IN THE MATTER OF DCA 2 0 1 DASH 0 1 1, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE SECOND, SECOND MEETING AFTER THE OPINION IN TCH DALLAS, TWO LLC VERSUS ESPINOZA.

CASE NUMBER OH 5 22 0 1 2 7 8 CV IS ISSUED.

CAN I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? VICE CHAIR WILLIAMS? SUPER BRIEF.

UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE OPERATING IN A BIT OF A UNCERTAIN LEGAL LANDSCAPE GIVEN THE, UH, FACT THAT THERE'S PENDING LITIGATION ON, ON THIS VERY ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

SO, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT IF WE WAIT UNTIL WE GET MORE GUIDANCE FROM OUR COURT OF APPEALS IN THIS ONE.

HARA? WELL, I THINK I CAN SUMMON THE PATIENCE TO HOLD IT AND SUPPORT THE MOTION, HOWEVER, UM, I'D PREFER JUST TO NOT ADOPT IT AND SEND IT ON.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT ANY BUSINESS WORKING WITH A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE ON SOMETHING THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY ILLEGAL.

SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE ONE PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

SO, UM, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, ARE YOU OFFERING UP A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE MOTION FROM HOLDING TO DENYING IT? WELL, I'M NOT SURE IT'S FRIENDLY.

I'M NOT SURE.

AMENDMENT.

AMENDMENT, YEAH.

IN FACT, WE, THAT WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE THIS ONE DOWN AND THEN THAT THAT WOULD REPLACE IT.

I CAN DEFER TO VICE CHAIR RUBIN'S WISDOM ON THIS ONE.

AND I WILL JUST ADD, I THINK THAT AT THE HEART OF THE DISPUTE IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHETHER CERTAIN THINGS ARE ILLEGAL AND THAT THE, THE COURT OPINION COULD SHED LIGHT ON THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I LEAN TOWARDS WAITING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS CASE Z.

UH, BY THE WAY, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON HAD A CONFLICT ON THAT ITEM AND WAS NOT IN THE CHAMBER.

WE'LL GO BACK AND PICK UP THE FIRST OF THE TWO DISTRICT C CASES, WHICH IS NUMBER SEVEN.

[7. 24-2375 An application for a Planned Development District for specific residential and nonresidential uses on property zoned an MH(A) Manufactured Home District, an A(A) Agricultural District, an LI Light Industrial District, and an R-5(A) Single Family District with consideration for an R-5(A) District, on the west side of Ingersoll Street, on the west side of Iroquois Drive, and north of Nomas Street.]

2 2 3 3 1.

AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON PROPERTY ZONING IN MHA MANUFACTURE HOME DISTRICT AND AA AGRICULTURE DISTRICT AND LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

AND THEN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN R FIVE, A DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF INGERSOLL STREET ON THE WEST SIDE OF DRIVE AND NORTH OF NOMA STREET.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED OF AN R FIVE A DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. GARZA.

SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

MORE AT A COMFORTABLE LEVEL IS, IS MORE INAPPROPRIATE.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF COMMISSION, SANTOS MARTINEZ, 2 4 8 9 CAMINO AL LOOP, NORTHEAST RIO RANCHO, NEW MEXICO 8 7 1 4 4.

UH, I AGREE IN HOLDING THIS CASE FOR TWO WEEKS.

THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF REVISIONS TO OUR PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

I'D LIKE TO COMMEND THE EFFORTS OF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND HELPING US GET THROUGH THESE ITERATIONS.

I THINK WE DID THREE ROUNDS OF REVISIONS YESTERDAY.

UH, SO I THINK HOLDING THIS CASE TO GET THIS, UH,

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AND, UH, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN TWO WEEKS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES.

ON THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 2 3 DASH 3 0 1.

I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND PUT THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 22ND.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER HAUSNER FOR YOU SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT GO TO CASE.

YEAH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND IT'S STEPPING OUTTA THE CHAMBER.

WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 10.

UM, 11.

[11. 24-2379 An application for an amendment to Planned Development District No. 1017 on property bounded by Bickers Street, North Westmoreland Road, Gallagher Street, and Furey Street. Staff Recommendation: Approval, subject to an amended development plan, an amended landscape plan, a revised amended traffic management plan, and staff’s recommended conditions.]

CASE NUMBER 11 Z 2 3 4 1 22 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER TEN SEVEN ON PROPERTY BOUND BY BAKER STREET, NORTH NORTHWEST MORLAND ROAD, GALLAGHER STREET AND FURY STREET.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AN AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN, A REVISED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.

I'LL SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE, UH, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

WARREN ELLIS, 8,700 STONE BROOK PARKWAY, FRISCO, TEXAS 7 5 0 3 4.

I JUST WANNA COMMEND OR THANK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER OUR HARD WORK AND, AND HER ADVICE IN TERMS OF GETTING THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO THE POINT WHERE WE WE'RE HERE TODAY.

UH, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW JUST STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

UH, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

GOOD EVENING, KATIE LENAHAN, 9,400 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

I'M THE DESIGN DIRECTOR FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

THANK YOU AGAIN TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR ALL YOUR ASSISTANCE ALONG WITH CITY STAFF, UM, AND MAY BRINGING THIS CASE FORWARD.

UM, APPROVED AS RECOMMENDED.

UH, WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO WERE HERE TONIGHT TO ADD ACTUALLY THIS AFTERNOON TO ADVOCATE FOR THE CASE, BUT THEY HAD TO LEAVE EARLY FOR AN OPEN HOUSE FOR SCHOOLS.

SO I DID WANNA READ A BRIEF STATEMENT FOR THEM.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.

UM, THIS IS FROM MR. GEORGE CASTRO.

UH, HE SAID THAT WEST DALLAS IS GETTING A NEW CAREER PATH FACILITY.

IT WILL BE BUILT AT THE SITE OF OUR OLD AMELIA EARHART CAMPUS ON 35 31 NORTHWEST MORELAND.

IT WILL EMULATE THE CAREER INSTITUTE NORTH CAMPUS AT TEN ONE ONE FIVE MIDWAY.

AND CAREER PATHS INCLUDE AUTOMOTIVE, AVIATION, ARCHITECTURE, INTERIOR DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, CARPENTRY, UM, HEALTH SCIENCES, GAME DESIGNS, HVAC, MECHATRONICS, PLUMBING PROGRAMMING, WELDING TO NAME A FEW.

AND THE CAMPUS WILL BE AN ASSET TO BOTH THE WEST DALLAS AND OAK CLIFF STUDENTS AND COMMUNITIES FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? UM, WHO'S GONNA DO COMMISSIONERS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS ONLINE AND UM, WELL I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE ONLINE.

LET'S SEE, ACTUALLY WE DID HAVE, UM, OUR DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION OR DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, CAMPUS SECURITY AND OUR CHIEF OF CAREER TECHNOLOGY, I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS FULL TITLE SIGNED UP, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AT OPEN HOUSES TONIGHT, SO I DON'T THINK THEY MIGHT CAN YOU GIMME THOSE THREE NAMES? UH, JASMINE HARRISON PIERCE CHRISTIAN OSWALDO.

VARGA.

SO THAT LEAVES, UH, LOGAN PRIM.

JOSH BURKHART.

JOSH BURT.

OH THERE HE IS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY PRESENT NOW.

ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.

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I IN THE MATTER OF CASE Z 2 3 4 DASH 1 22, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AN AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN, A REVISED AMENDED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE.

SECTION 51 P DASH 1 0 1, 7 0.1 12 B FOR THE FIRST SENTENCE, SHOULD READ AN UNMOTORIZED SLIDING FIRST RESPONDER ONLY GATE WITH KNOCKS OR EQUIVALENT EQUIPMENT MUST BE PROVIDED AT THE EASTERN MOST DRIVE APPROACH ON BICKER STREET.

AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I GET A SECOND.

UH, COMMENTS.

THIS CURRENT INSTITUTE HAS VERY STRONG, UM, SUPPORT IN THE WEST DALLAS COMMUNITY.

UM, I WANT TO COMMEND, UH, MS. ALGAR, MR. NAVAREZ, THE ENTIRE DISD TEAM, MR. ELLIS, FOR WORKING VERY COOPERATIVELY TO, TO WORK OUT, UH, WHAT WAS A KIND OF A TRICKY, UH, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.

UM, BUT UM, I THINK WE WERE THERE AND UM, I HOPE I THE PROJECT HAS YOUR SUPPORT.

ANY OTHER SHANNON COMMENTS? YOU NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

HAVE IT.

PRESSURES WILL NOW MOVE TO ITEM

[38. 24-2405 Consideration of a hearing to authorize a public hearing to determine the proper zoning on property zoned Subdistrict 2A within Planned Development District No. 714 in an area generally located on the west side of Sylvan Avenue between Seale Street on the north and Ft. Worth Avenue on the south and containing approximately 3 acres. Consideration is to be given to an historic overlay for the Belmont [Motor] Hotel. This is a hearing to consider the request to authorize the hearing and not the designation of property at this time.]

38.

THE LAST ITEM.

YOU READY FOR ME, MA'AM? OKAY.

THIS IS DR.

RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.

AGENDA ITEM 38, CASE NUMBER 24 DASH 24 0 5.

THE REQUEST IS FOR CONSIDERATION OF A HEARING TO AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE THE PROPER ZONING ON PROPERTY ZONED SUBDISTRICT TWO A WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 1 4 IN AN AREA GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SYLVAN AVENUE BETWEEN SEAL STREET ON IT ON THE NORTH AND FORT WORTH AVENUE ON THE SOUTH AND CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY THREE ACRES.

CONSIDERATION IS TO BE GIVEN TO AN HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR THE BELMONT MOTOR HOTEL.

THIS IS A HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE THE HEARING AND NOT THE DESIGNATION OF PROPERTY AT THIS TIME.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TIME? YES.

VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER.

2323 ROSS AVENUE, SUITE 600 IN DALLAS.

MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

WITH US TONIGHT IS MR. JORDAN FORD ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP GROUP.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE'LL KEEP IT BRIEF.

WE ARE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THIS LANDMARK DESIGNATION EFFORT WILL UNLOCK THE FUTURE POSSIBILITIES FOR THE OVERALL BELMONT PROPERTY.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR CLOSE WORK WITH DR. DUNN AND HER STAFF TO CREATE A SOLUTION THAT IS BEST FOR THE FUTURE OF THE BELMONT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR.

OH, THERE WE GO.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS GLENN TITLA.

I LIVE IN 1923 IN MALONE CLIFF VIEW, AND I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE 34 MEMBERS OF MY HOA AT THE VILLAS OF BECK COURT, BELMONT PHASE TWO.

I HAVE SPOKEN NEARLY TO ALMOST EVERY ONE OF MY HOA MEMBERS THIS WEEK AND WE ARE ALL IN SUPPORT OF THE CONTINUATION OF THE PROTECTION PERIOD OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION'S DESIGNATION COMMITTEE TO CONTINUE THEIR WORK WITH THE OWNER TO FINALIZE THE ORDINANCE THAT WILL PUT THE HISTORIC OVERLAY OVER ON THE BELMONT.

IT WAS INTERESTING TIMING THIS MORNING TO READ THE ARTICLE IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO READ THE QUOTE FROM MR. FORD.

I DO NOT WANT TO WAIT.

I HAVE NO INTENTION TO WAIT.

I'M PREPARED TO PUT TOGETHER THE ADDITIONAL ASSETS THAT NEED TO BE ON THIS TEAM AND SPEND THE MONEY TO GET THIS DONE.

WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

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CATHERINE HOLMAN, UM, PRESIDENT OF FORT WORTH AVENUE DEVELOPMENT GROUP.

I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION HEARING FOR THE SINGULAR BELMONT HOTEL.

ONE OF OUR MISSIONS IS HONORING THE UNIQUE HISTORY AND CHARACTER OF THE FORT WORTH AVENUE CORRIDOR, WHERE THE BELMONT HOTEL IS OUR CROWN JEWEL.

WE TRUST THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT US IN OUR ONGOING MISSION TO HONOR THE FORT WORTH AVENUE UNIQUE HISTORY AND CHARACTER.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.

UM, I MOVE TO, UM, APPROVE CONSIDERATION OF A HEARING TO AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DETERMINE THE PROPER ZONING ON THE BELMONT HOTEL WITH CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO A HISTORIC OVERLAY.

AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I GET A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON COMMENTS? YES.

UM, THE BELMONT HOTEL IS, YOU KNOW, AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT LANDMARK.

I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY LANDMARKED IT IN OUR MIND, WHETHER IT'S OFFICIALLY DONE OR NOT TO OUR, TO OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, THE CURRENT INITIATION PERIOD IS SET TO EXPIRE ON AUGUST THE 22ND.

SO THIS, UM, ACTION WAS, UH, NEEDED TO EXTEND THAT PERIOD OF PROTECTION A WHILE LONGER.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND I HAVE BOTH SAT IN ON A MEETING OF THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND, UH, OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AND THEY'RE WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY AND COOPERATIVELY WITH MR. FORD, THE OWNER AND WITH HIS TEAM.

SO THIS IS JUST GIVING US, UH, AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TO GET THIS WORKED OUT AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT AND COOPERATION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEE YOU.

NONE.

AND GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

YOU OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR.

DUNMAN.

COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL HEAD BACK INTO, UH, THE DOCKET

[8. 24-2376 An application for a Planned Development District for NO(A) Neighborhood Office District uses and standards and personal service uses, with consideration for an NS(A) Neighborhood Service District on property zoned an R-16(A) Single Family District, on the northeast corner of Royal Lane and Dallas North Tollway]

ITEM EIGHT IS Z 2 23 2 3 29.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT USES AND STANDARDS AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ROYAL LANE IN DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT SAYS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON PAGE FOUR.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? C NONE.

COMMISSIONER HALL, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO.

MR. CHAIR, UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 3 2 9.

UH, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC RECORD OPEN AND PLACE THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST THE, UH, 22ND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HALL FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

YOU OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

WE'LL GO TO NUMBER NINE.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR RUBIN HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND IS STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER.

NINE, CASE Z 2 23 DASH 3 38.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER

[9. 24-2377 An application for a GR General Retail Subdistrict on property zoned a P Parking Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, with consideration for an MF-2 Multiple-Family Subdistrict, on the southeast line of Lucas Drive, between Maple Avenue and Brown Street.]

AND APPLICATION FOR A GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE AP PARKING SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN MF TWO MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF LUCAS DRIVE BETWEEN MAPLE AVENUE AND BROWN STREET STAFF'S.

ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOT HERE.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 3 38, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A MULTIPLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT.

AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? C AND NONE.

YOUR OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

WE'LL GO TO ITEM

[10. 24-2378 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 2439 for commercial motor vehicle parking on property zoned a CS Commercial Service District with deed restrictions [Z201-345], on the southeast line of Telephone Road southwest of the intersection of Bonnie View Road and Telephone Road.]

10.

GOOD

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EVENING EVERYONE.

ITEM 10 KC 2 3 4 DASH HUNDRED SEVEN AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 39 FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON PROPERTIES OWNED AS CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 2 0 1 3 4 5 ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF TELEPHONE ROAD SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF BONNEY VIEW ROAD AND TELEPHONE ROAD.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO HIS SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

SARAY.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS, REPRESENTING, UM, NFL LOGISTICS ON THIS.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, BLAIR.

SHE'S BEEN TOUGH, BUT VERY FAIR WITH THIS ONE.

UH, THIS ORIGINAL SGP WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO AND, UH, THE OWNER DID NOT DO WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

UH, HE DIDN'T FILE FOR THE COS HE DIDN'T PUT THE LANDSCAPING IN.

UH, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR WAS WILLING TO, TO GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE AT THIS.

I'VE, I'VE BEEN HIRED TO, TO TAKE 'EM BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO TO GO THROUGH THIS.

SO WE HAVE FILED FOR COS THEY'RE WAITING FOR APPROVAL.

ONCE SUP GETS APPROVED, WE HAVE A ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, READY TO BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED.

UH, WE'VE ASKED IT TO BE INCLUDED IN SGP CONDITIONS, SO, UM, IT WILL HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE THE COS CAN BE ISSUED.

UH, SO I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YEAH, NO.

UH, NO.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UM, YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 1 7, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AND APPROVE, BUT FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD, NOT FOR FIVE WITH, WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANS AND CONDITIONS.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.

CAN I ASK MR. CARPENTER ASK FOR REAL QUICK CLARIFICATION? YES, PLEASE.

DID YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONS AS POSTED IN THE DOCKET SAFE FOR THE TIME LIMIT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE LANDSCAPE PROVISION THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED? YES, SIR.

YESTERDAY.

THERE WAS A COUPLE OMISSIONS FROM THAT.

THERE WAS THE, A MODIFICATION TO THE FENCING AND THE NUMBER FIVE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT IN THE DOCKET THAT WERE OMITTED FROM THAT COPY.

BUT IT, IF YOUR INTENT IS TO HAVE THE DOCKET CONDITIONS, THE TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD AND THE LANDSCAPE CONDITION, THREE YEAR PLAN THREE, THREE YEAR, EXCUSE ME.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

MAKE IT SOUND, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR COMMENTS PLEASE IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY, SHOULD WE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? SECOND IT, WE'RE MOVING QUICK HERE.

UM, MR. BALDWIN, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE HAS BEEN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND WHAT I ASKED MY COMMISSIONERS TO, TO HEAR IS I DROVE PAST THERE YESTERDAY AND IT'S GREATLY IMPROVED.

I HAVE GREEN GRASS WHERE I DIDN'T BEFORE.

I HAVE A WOOD FENCE THAT'S NEW AND HAS BEEN STAINED.

ONLY THING THAT'S MISSING IS MY ARTICLE 10.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT THERE WAS, THERE'S A LANGUAGE BARRIER, SO THAT'S THE ONLY WAY HE'S GETTING ANOTHER, ANOTHER ROUND OF GRACE.

THERE WON'T BE A THIRD ROUND.

SO I NEED MY COMMISSIONERS TO HEAR THIS IS ALL THE GRACE THAT'S GONNA BE GIVEN.

THIS MAY BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR TRUCK PARKING, BUT IT'S NOT A DUMPING PLACE.

AND I NEED FOR THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I NEED FOR MY COMMISSIONERS TO APPRECIATE THAT I DO TAKE THIS SERIOUS.

WHILE I WOULD NOT HAVE SUPPORTED FIVE YEARS IN A FIVE YEAR AUTO, I VERY GLADLY SUPPORT THE THREE YEARS.

UH, AS MY MAMA SAYS, WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER, YOU DO BETTER.

AND I, I SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT HERE AND A PATH TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE.

SO I'M WILLING TO GIVE IT A SUPPORT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.

STAND NONE.

12, MS. BRI, THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 34 DASH 1 47.

AND OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM NUMBER

[12. 24-2380 An application for an MU-1 Mixed Use District on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the northwest corner of Elam Road and North Prairie Creek Road.]

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A MU ONE MIXED USE

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DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R SEVEN 50.

A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ELAM ROAD AND NORTH PRAIRIE CREEK ROAD.

MR. BALDWIN, GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU MS. BURGESS.

ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS.

THIS CASE ORIGINALLY STARTED AS TWO CASES.

WE HAD ONE, IT'S A FIVE ACRE SITE.

WE HAD, UH, TWO ACRES ON THE BOTTOM FOR COMMUNITY RETAIL AND THE, THE THREE ACRES ON THE TOP WAS GONNA BE FOR TOWNHOME, UH, REZONING.

UH, AFTER MEETING WITH STAFF, THEY SUGGESTED WE COLLAPSE IT INTO ONE CASE, INTO A MIXED USE DISTRICT ON THIS I COM.

UH, MET WITH THE COMMISSIONER, MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THAT SEEMED TO BE, UH, SUPPORTED.

UM, AND WE HAD A NEIGHBOR MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT AND, UH, THERE WAS NO INTEREST IN COMING TO THE CASE.

SO THAT TELLS ME THAT WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AND THE COMMISSIONER, UH, HAD, HAD WORKED THE NEIGHBORS.

SO, UM, I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN SUPPORT THIS.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

OH, ONE THING, COMMISSIONER HALL.

THIS WILL NOT BE, UH, VERTICALLY MIXED USE.

IT'LL BE A HORIZONTAL MIXED USE.

UH, DIDN'T YOU BRING THAT UP AT THE, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A, A HORIZONTAL OR, OR VERTICAL MIXED USE, BUT THESE WILL BE SEPARATE.

THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.

I'M IMPRESSED THAT YOU REMEMBERED THAT AFTER OUR DAY.

UH, I WROTE IT DOWN .

THANK YOU MR. BALDWIN.

UM, ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM 12 Z? 2 3 4, 1 47.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? SEEING NONE.

CHAIR, SHE SHAAD.

DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, SIR, I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34.

1 47.

I MOVE CLOSEUP PUBLIC HEARING FALSE TO RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, AND I'LL HAVE COMMENTS AFTER THE NEXT CASE.

UM, THANK YOU CHAIR SHAAD FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

13, MR. BATES HAMPTON, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND READ IT IN MR. BATES? SURE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM

[13. 24-2381 An application for a Planned Development District for TH-3(A) Townhouse District uses and LO-1 Limited Office District uses on property zoned an MF-2(A) Multifamily District and an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the north line of Lake June Road, east of Saint Augustine Drive.]

ITEM 13 IS CASE Z, 2 34 DASH 15.

AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT USES AND L OH ONE LIMITED OFFICE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES ZONE IN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT IN AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTH LINE OF LAKE JUNE ROAD, EAST OF SAN AUGUSTINE DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

WE'LL GO TO OUR FIRST SPEAKER NOW.

MY NAME IS, YEAH, DO YOU MIND MARTIN? THANKS.

APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

MY NAME IS VICTOR TOLEDO, 64 35 2 DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 3 0.

IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.

UH, VERY, VERY INFORMATIVE.

I WANNA THANK A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, SEVERAL THAT AREN'T HERE.

COMMISSIONER, SHE DID FOR COMING TO THE MEETING ON TUESDAY NIGHT.

WE HAD A GREAT HOUR AND A HALF MEETING.

WE HAD OUR ENTIRE STAFF ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, UM, COUNCILMAN RESENDEZ WAS THERE, COMMISSIONER DANIEL WAS THERE.

IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A PROJECT WITH THE COUNTY.

UM, I'LL EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT.

OTHER PERSON I WANT, I WANT TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE IS MARTIN BEATTY.

HE'S BEEN FANTASTIC.

I KNOW HE'S RELATIVELY NEW, SO I JUST WANT TO, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE GOING THROUGH SOME CHANGES, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HE'S A KEEPER.

WE FILED THIS CASE IN JANUARY AND, AND THE CITY HAD IT READY BY JULY, AND THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING FOR A 30 ACRE ASSEMBLAGE OF THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, THREE DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORIES, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY VISIBLE SITE.

SO REALLY, RATHER THAN JUST DO THE PRESENTATION, RATHER JUST OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

I'VE GOT THE BILLERS OF HOPE FOLKS ARE HERE.

WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A MI AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SALE HOUSING.

UH, WE CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

IT'S OUR FIRST TIME IN DISTRICT FIVE, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE THERE.

UM, ANY COMMENTS, JAMES, OR WANNA JUST GO THROUGH IT? SO THIS IS THE SITE, UM, I THINK MARTIN DID, HE DID A GOOD JOB COVERING IT THIS MORNING.

THE, THE TOP YELLOW IS THE SINGLE FAMILY PORTION OF IT.

NEXT TO THAT, BETWEEN THAT AND ST.

AUGUSTINE PARK IS GONNA BE A 10 ACRE CONSERVATION EASEMENT.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE PROTECTED BOTH THE, THE TREES AND THE CREEKS, ET CETERA.

AND THEN FRONTING LAKE JUNE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE WHITE BUILDING.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

I THINK THE CORGAN FOLKS AREN'T HERE, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE THE EAST DALLAS GOVERNMENT CENTER.

SO IT'S GONNA TAKE ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER DANIEL HAS IN OUR ST.

FRANCIS, UH, LOCATION.

IT'S GONNA BE MOVED TO THIS LOCATION RIGHT IN THE HEART OF PLEASANT GROVE.

SO IT'S GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S GONNA HAVE, UM, JUDGE MARTINEZ'S OFFICE,

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UH, JUSTICE PEACE CONSTABLE.

SO THERE, THERE'LL BE A POLICE PRESENCE, EVERYTHING.

SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED.

ANOTHER DEVELOPER IS HANDLING THE, THE COMMERCIAL PART OF IT.

THEY, UH, THEY LEFT WHEN THE YELLOW SHIRTS DID, BUT I'M, WE'RE HERE, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, COMMENT ON THAT.

CERTAINLY CAN TALK ABOUT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, THE HOUSING AND, AND SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT CENTER.

OOPS, THAT'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.

THIS IS A STREET SCENE.

UM, THIS ISN'T A RENDERING, THIS IS ACTUALLY A PICTURE THAT WAS TAKEN, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.

AND WE ACTUALLY WALKED THIS SITE.

THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL.

THIS BODY APPROVED THIS, THIS PROJECT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

UH, IT'S BEEN, IT'S DONE, IT'S DONE VERY WELL.

THE HOMEOWNERS ARE VERY HAPPY.

THE BUCKNER TERRACE COMMUNITY IS VERY HAPPY.

UM, AND WE USE THIS KIND OF AS A MODEL.

THIS IS A, WE, WE KNOW WE CAN AT LEAST DO THIS, BUT WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.

AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY OUR INTENTION, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS PROJECT.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT PARKING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ASPECTS.

THANK YOU, MR. TOLEDO.

THAT THAT'S YOUR TIME.

NEXT SPEAKER.

MR. MR. ARMSTRONG, OR YOU GO AHEAD.

UH, JAMES ARMSTRONG, 1839 LEE STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 2.

UM, JUST COMING TO TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE.

IF YOU ALL AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH BUILDERS OF HOPE, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS, HAVE BUILT OVER 500 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, THREE SUBDIVISIONS, ONE IN WEST DALLAS, UH, ONE OFF OF CAMP WISDOM, UM, AND THEN ONE IN PLEASANT GROVE, AND THEN BEEN A PART OF, UH, THE CHARIOT VILLAGE SUBDIVISION IN EAST DALLAS.

AND OUR OVERALL MISSION IS TO LEVERAGE HOME OWNERSHIP TO PROVIDE ECONOMIC MOBILITY.

UM, SO ON AVERAGE, OUR HOMEOWNERS WALK IN WITH ABOUT $60,000 OF WEALTH ON DAY ONE.

UM, WE ALSO PLANT OUR FLAG IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE'LL BE PARTNERING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO ANSWER ANY COMMUNITY NEEDS, UH, THROUGH COMMUNITY GRANTS.

UM, BUT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UM, AND TO BE BRANCHING OUT INTO THE, ANOTHER PART OF THE QUADRANT OF THE, OF THE CITY.

HELLO FELLOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR.

UH, MY NAME IS CHRIS LEWIS.

I ADDRESS 6 0 3 MUNGER AVENUE.

I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING AS THE CHIEF REAL ESTATE OFFICER, SO SOMETIMES I KNOW YOU GUYS, UH, TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE, BUT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED FOR AS THE AESTHETICS AND DESIGN OF THE HOMES.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS? ITEM NUMBER 13 Z 2 34, 1 50.

ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? I HAVE ONE VERY QUICK ONE, UM, FOR THE GENTLEMAN, MR. IS IT LEWIS? UM, YOU MENTIONED THE AESTHETICS.

I, I SAW THE SLIDE UP ON OUR DECK RIGHT NOW.

IT SHOWS ALL OF THOSE HOUSES ARE FRONT LOADED.

IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT THESE CAN BE ALLEY LOADED TO GET A BETTER STREET STATE? UNFORTUNATELY NOT.

IT'LL WAIT AFTER MANY DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, AND JUST THE DESIGN AND COST EFFECTIVENESS THAT WE COULDN'T DO, UH, REAR FOR AS GARAGES.

IT'S LIKE A LOT OF THESE, YOU HAVE TO CHECK A LOT OF BOXES.

MM-HMM, , THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND TO ADD TO THAT POINT, CERTAINLY THE, THE STREET APPEAL REAR LOADED IS, IS, IS CERTAINLY BETTER.

THERE'S, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE ALLEYS, AND I'LL CALL GRITTY AREAS, THEY CAN BE SOURCES FOR CRIME, FOR PE PEOPLE TO HANG OUT THE ALLEYS THAT THE, THAT, THAT WE TIE INTO AREN'T EVEN USED.

THEY'RE NOT EVEN OPERABLE.

IF YOU LOOKED AT MARTIN'S CASE REPORT, IT SHOWED THE STREETS THAT WE'RE TYING INTO.

AND I'M JUST, I'M GETTING NERVOUS WHEN I SEE THAT.

I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD, WE'VE GOTTA TIE INTO THOSE STREETS TOO.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE 70-YEAR-OLD INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, ALLEY'S WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD ALL THE ROOM IN THE WORLD, BUT WE REALLY DON'T.

WE'RE, WE'RE SOMEWHAT CONSTRICTED HERE.

AND WE LIKE OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU, YOU, YOU GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS.

WHEN YOU SHARE FRONT YARDS, YOU HAVE FRONT PORCHES, YOU HAVE, AND WE SEE THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND SO WE, FOR THAT REASON, WE, WE, WE PREFER, UH, FRONT LOADED.

SO JUST ONE MORE QUESTION ON THAT VEIN THEN I'LL, I'LL STOP.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO, SO I MEAN THE GARAGE SEEMS VERY PROMINENT ON, ON IN THIS DRAWING RIGHT HERE.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO PUSH THE GARAGE FURTHER BACK AND HAVE A, THE PORCH BE THE DOMINANT SORT OF FEATURE? YES, WITH ONE CAVEAT.

1, 1, 1 OF THE COMMENTS, ONE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WAS ACTUALLY TO RECESS THE GARAGE FIVE FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT DOOR.

THAT SOUNDS FANTA ON, ON A RANCH STYLE HOUSE.

THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A A 30 FOOT WIDE PAD, 40 FOOT WIDE HOUSE TO DO THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING UP A LOT OF THE VALUABLE FIRST FLOOR SPACE IS SPENT ON AUTOMOBILES IN THE DRIVEWAY TO GET THERE.

AND I SHOWED COMMISSIONER, SHE DID MIDNIGHT LAST NIGHT.

UM, THIS IS WHAT THAT CON IT WAS A VERY CRUDE, BUT I GO, THIS IS WHAT THAT CONFIGURATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I COULDN'T FIND ONE ON A 30 FOOT LOT TWO CAR GARAGE.

SO IT'S,

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WE, WE KNOW WE WANT TWO CAR GARAGES.

WE KNOW WE WANT DENSITY AND AFFORDABILITY OR OUR DEVELOPMENT COSTS OR $200,000 AN ACRE.

I DON'T CARE IF WE GET EIGHT TO THE ACRE OR FOUR TO THE ACRE.

SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF DENSITY FOR THAT REASON, FOR AFFORDABILITY.

AND SO IT'S, I KNOW IT'S A LONG ANSWER.

WELL, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED AND WE'VE DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IS LET'S DRESS UP THE GARAGE.

LET'S NOT HAVE IT PROTRUDE MUCH PAST THE FRONT, IF AT ALL.

BUT REALLY DRESS IT UP, ADD ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, ADD LIGHTS, ADD HARDWARE, UH, GLASS, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

THOSE ARE ALSO, THIS FLOOR PLAN THAT YOU SEE WITH THE, THE GARAGE STICKING OUT IS ONE OF THREE.

UM, AND IT'S THE TYPICALLY THE LOWEST PRICED HOME.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT AS PROMINENT AS, AS IT LOOKS ON THIS PICTURE.

WE MAY SH WE MAY NEED TO GET INTO THE PICTURE.

WELL, THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE TOUGH QUESTIONS AND I THINK YOU GAVE ME VERY FORTHRIGHT ANSWERS, SIR.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, AND COMMISSIONER RUBIN, THIS, THIS IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, IT KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE FIRST FLOOR.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE IS ALL, IS, IS PARTIALLY IN THE HOUSE.

BUT IF THE GARAGE WAS ALL THE WAY IN THE HOUSE AND YOU ONLY HAVE A 30 FOOT WIDE PAD AND YOU'RE PUTTING A 20 FOOT WIDE GARAGE, IT MAKE, IT MAKES THE FIRST FLOOR ALMOST UNUSABLE.

'CAUSE YOU, YOU STILL NEED A KITCHEN, YOU STILL NEED A GREAT ROOM, YOU STILL NEED A STAIRWELL.

SO IT REALLY, IT, IT, IT IMPACTS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE, OF THE FLOOR PLAN.

UM, APPLAUD WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.

I ACTUALLY, MANY YEARS AGO SERVED ON THE BOARD OF A, UM, CHOTO IN THE CITY DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU ALL HAVE.

WE ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME CHALLENGE AND WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, A RECESS, UM, BY INTEGRATING A PORCH, WHICH HELPED ADDRESS THAT OFFSET.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD OTHER, UM, CASES AND ORDINANCES THAT THIS BODY HAS ADOPTED THAT HAD THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT YOU HAVE WITH LOT SIZE.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AFTERWARDS, AS IT'S HELPFUL FOR YOUR TEAM AS YOU'RE LOOKING, UM, AT, AT OTHER OPTIONS ON FLOOR PLANS THAT COULD HELP MAYBE RESOLVE THAT.

AND I WILL SIMPLY SAY, FOR THE RECORD, I FULLY SUPPORT HAVING GAR HAVING ACCESS FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT STRENGTHENS COMMUNITIES.

AND YOU DO GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBOR.

SO THANK YOU.

JUST AN OBSERVATION AS YOU WERE LOOKING AT YOUR PLAN OPTIONS.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.

IT'S BETTER TO FOCUS, I THINK, ON THE PORCH AND BRING THE PORCH UP AND THAT WAY YOU, THAT WAY YOU GET A COVERED PORCH OR YOU GET A PERGOLA AND THEN YOU GET, YOU KNOW, MORE ACTIVATION ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

AND THEN THE GARAGE IS KIND OF, WELL, THERE'S A GARAGE, BUT IT'S NOT SO, IT'S NOT SO PROMINENT.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, SIR.

MS. UM, EITHER ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE AESTHETICS IN THE FRONT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME, LET ME, NO, I HAVE TO ASK A QUESTION.

UH, IT SHOWS THAT YOU GUYS ARE BRICKING YOUR, YOUR LOTS AND, AND I KNOW WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DE WE CAN'T ASK YOU TO DO THAT.

BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS TO BREAK THE F THE THE FACADE? UH, YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

SO FOR OUR SUBDIVISIONS AND MOST OF OUR BILLS, UH, THAT WE DO, UH, WE DO, UH, PUT MASONRY ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE ELEVATION OF THE HOME, ESPECIALLY IN OUR SUBDIVISION.

SO YES, THE FRONT FACADE WILL HAVE MACY RY AND COMMISSIONER.

THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

ANO ANOTHER WHAT, WHAT LOOKS LIKE SITING TODAY IS ACTUALLY A CEMENTITIOUS FIBER PRODUCT.

IT'S ACTUALLY A CEMENT PRODUCT.

SO PEOPLE THINK, YOU KNOW, HAS THIS REPUTATION WON'T LAST.

IT'S GONNA PAINT, IT'S GONNA, UH, FADE AND PEEL.

WE HAVEN'T FOUND THAT WITH OUR CEMENTITIOUS PRODUCT.

AND THAT'S, YOU'LL SEE THAT ESPECIALLY OVER ROOF, ROOF LINES.

THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT ALL THE WEIGHT OF HAVING MASONRY ALL THE, FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP.

SO THAT HELPS WITH AFFORDABILITY AS WELL.

I'M NOT, NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST IT DOESN'T.

AND, UH, I, I APOLOGIZE, I DID NOT RECOGNIZE FORMER COMMISSIONER LEWIS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I DON'T THINK WE OVERLAP, SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT OMISSION, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THE CITY.

WELL, HE, HE SERVED DISTRICT EIGHT BEFORE ME, SO, UM, COMMISSIONER LEWIS WAS THE DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER BEFORE I, I CAME ON.

SO WHEN HE LEFT, I JOINED VERY NICE.

AND HE LEFT A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

WELL, THAT WAS EXACTLY THE POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE.

IT WAS NOT GOOD TO SEE MR. LEWIS JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS SERVICE.

PREVIOUS SERVICE ON THIS COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER HALL.

FACT, WE'RE GONNA DEED RESTRICT THE ENTIRE, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PRO UH, PROPERTY HAS A LOT OF HISTORY IN THE COMMUNITY.

VERY INTERESTING.

ARE THESE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES? VERY, ABSOLUTELY.

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IT'S 24 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY ZONING RIGHT IN THE HEART OF PLEASANT GROVE.

AND SO THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE LITECH TYPE PROPOSALS ON THE SITE, AND COMMISSIONER SHAJI HAS, HAS WALKED IT WITH OTHER PROPOSALS.

AND SO FOR US TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 40 MEMBERS THERE TUESDAY NIGHT.

AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE SAID, WE WILL DEED RESTRICT THIS, THIS WILL NEVER BE MULTIFAMILY.

YOU KNOW, WE HEAR YOU, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ WAS THERE, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

SO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, 40 FOOT LOT, 30 FOOT WIDE PADS, 10 FEET BETWEEN HOUSES.

ONE OTHER QUESTION.

UH, THE CONSERVATION AREA ALONG PRAIRIE CREEK, IS THAT GONNA BE LEFT NATIVE OR WILL IT BE LANDSCAPED OR ALTERED IN ANY WAY? IT'S, TO BE HONEST, IT'S SUCH A TOUGH AREA AND THERE'S SO MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY GONE IN TO CLEAN IT UP EVEN WHERE IT'S REALLY WALKABLE, THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE UP AS MUCH TO THE COUNTY.

BUT OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE LIBRARY, THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW COMMUNITY, THE, THE, THE COUNTY'S BUILDING IN THIS PARK IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

SO YOU GOT FIVE MAJOR ASSETS AND YOU'VE GOT A FIESTA ANCHORED SHOPPING CENTER RIGHT NOW.

PRAIRIE CREEK ACTS LIKE A BARRIER.

THE THE RESIDENTS TO THE EAST DON'T GO, THEY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO MASTERS ALL THE WAY DOWN.

THEY HAVE TO, YOU GO A FULL CITY BLOCK TO GET TO THESE ASSETS AND WE WANNA CHANGE THAT AND WE, WE CERTAINLY CAN DO IT.

WE, WE PROVIDE A TRAIL BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITY AND ST.

AUGUSTINE, WHICH GETS YOU TO THAT PARK AND THEN, AND THE, AND THE PARK'S RIGHT NEXT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE WANT TO CLEAN IT UP.

THE COUNTY CERTAINLY DOES.

THEY WANNA MAKE IT AN AMENITY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR RESIDENTS.

BUT I CAN'T PROMISE RIGHT NOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IF THE, IF THE CREEK CAN BE TRAVERSED, ET CETERA.

IT MIGHT BE NICE TO LEAVE AS MUCH OF IT AS NATIVE AS YOU CAN 'CAUSE IT'S A, A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR, ET CETERA.

BUT THAT'S FINE.

AND, AND, AND, AND IN, IN, IN, IN GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN, THE CITY STAFF'S BEEN TREMENDOUS.

I SAW MOHAMED BACK THERE.

THE, UM, ONE OF THE CONVER ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WAS LIKE TO PROTECT THAT CREEK AND TO PROTECT THE TREES NEXT TO THE CREEK.

SO OUR, OUR HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO THE CREEK OR THEIR HOUSES BACK UP, THEY HAVE TO BE 80 FEET FROM THE REAR LOT LINE.

SO YOU, SO YOU KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S FROM THE FLOOD, YOU KNOW, ELEVATION.

SO THE CREEK IS ANOTHER A HUNDRED FEET PAST THAT TYPICALLY.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO PROTECT, PROTECT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CREEK, ET CETERA WITH IMPERVIOUS COVER.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, THAT AND THAT'S IN THE CONDITIONS.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE FIRST ROUND? I THINK WE HAVE A SECOND ROUND.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, YOU JUST REMINDED ME WHEN YOU SAID 10 FEET BETWEEN HOUSES, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US ARE SAYING THAT IT'S A TWO FOOT SIDE YARD.

COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE TWO FEET VERSUS WHAT I THINK WOULD'VE BEEN FIVE TO GIVE YOU? WE JUST, WHENEVER YOU'RE DEALING WITH DENSITY, WE JUST PREFER, WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY IF POSSIBLE.

NOT, WE DON'T PLAN TO GO TO TWO FEET IN BETWEEN OR FOUR FEET BETWEEN HOUSES.

BUT IF THE MARKET CHANGE, THINGS CHANGE AS IT HAPPENS, WE WOULD LIKE THAT FLEXIBILITY.

AND AGAIN, I JUST, I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHY THE DIFFERENCE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE? QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? ALRIGHT.

SIGNATURE CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT SO I GET A SECOND.

THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 50, I MOVE TO CLOSEUP OF A HEARING FALLS TO RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN IN THE APPLICANT'S, UH, CONDITIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, SECTION G.

THEY'RE MISLED.

IT SAYS G FOR SIDEWALKS, H OPEN SPACE, AND THE I FOR DETENTION PONDS.

SO IT'S STAFF ON GH AND I CORRECT THE MIS LETTER ON THE DOCKET, BUT IT'S OKAY.

MORE PURCHASING POWER IN THE FUTURE.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR SHEAD, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

ANY DISCUSSION? CHAIR SHEAD? YES, JUST, UH, I WANTED TO THANK, UH, UH, MR. TOLEDO AND OF COURSE THE TEAM OF THE BUILDERS OF HOPE, MR. LEWIS AND MR. ARMSTRONG.

WE, WE DID HAVE A, A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED AND I APPRECIATE THEY BROUGHT THE ENTIRE TEAM OUT AND I THINK THERE WAS, UH, ROBUST SUPPORT FOR, UH, THE APPLICATION.

UH, AND IN FACT OUT OF THE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FOUR OR 500 COMMUNITY MEETINGS I'VE ATTENDED OVER THE YEARS, THERE, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT'S, THAT STOOD UP AND I THINK SPOKE MORE BEAUTIFUL, UH, ABOUT ANY PROJECT I'D EVER SEEN, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.

IT WAS JUST A, A A JUST A NEIGHBOR THAT, UH, STOOD UP AND, AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY, UH, EMBRACED THIS, UH, THIS PROJECT AND WHAT IT COULD MEAN TO ADD AND, UH, MORE HOUSING, TO ADD MORE FAMILIES, UH, TO ADD POTENTIALLY

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UH, AND, UH, VERY, VERY, VERY WELL DONE.

THERE IS A PRODUCT ALREADY LIKE THIS IN THE DISTRICT, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEN JUST LASTLY, JUST TO CLEAN IT UP, YES, FORMER COMMISSIONER LEWIS DID LEAVE SOME, SOME WORK ON THE TABLE, BUT ONLY BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS ON THE COMMISSION, DISTRICT EIGHT TOOK OFF.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IS, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO IT WAS RARE TO HAVE A, A CASE IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

AND BY THE TIME COMMISSIONER, FORMER COMMISSIONER LEWIS, IT WAS, NOW IT'S THE OPPOSITE.

EVERY DOCKET HAS THREE, FOUR CASES.

SO YOU, YOU STAYED AND LEFT PROBABLY AT THE GREAT TIME, .

UH, BUT ANYWAY, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS ONE, COLLEAGUES.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIR, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO, UM, APPROVE SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THE APPLICANT'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF, UM, GH AND I.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[14. 24-2382 An application for an amendment to deed restrictions [Z978-150 and Z190-168] on property zoned a CS Commercial Service District, on the north corner of South Fitzhugh Avenue and Haskell Avenue. Staff Recommendation: Approval of an amendment to deed restrictions [Z978-150 and Z190-168] as volunteered by the applicant.]

WE GO TO ITEM 15, 14 14.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 14, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 86 IN APPLICATION FOUR.

AND AMENDMENT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 9 78 DASH 15 AND Z 1 9 0 DASH 1 68 ON PROPERTY ZONED A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF SOUTH FITZ HU AVENUE AND HASKELL AVENUE STAFF'S.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS, HAS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.

I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

UH, YES, HI, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS IRENE ESPARZA AND I'M THE APPLICANT.

I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

UH, SIR, ANYONE ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

UM, GOOD EVENING, MS. ESPARZA, THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE.

UM, I AND LISTENING TO US WORK TODAY.

UM, TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

UM, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE REVIEW OF THIS AND COMMUNITY COMMENTS AND WORKING WITH CODE COMPLIANCE, UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT YOU ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO LOADING OR UNLOADING THAT OCCURS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? YES, WE ARE.

AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT THAT'S A BASE CODE, BUT IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? UH, YES.

OUR PROPERTY IS BIG ENOUGH FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED CARS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LOAD OR UNLOAD IN THE STREET.

AND IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, UM, IT WAS A, A SUGGESTION TO CONSIDER A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS AN ONGOING DIALOGUE.

UM, ARE YOU ALL IN AN AGREEMENT WITH WORKING ON THAT AS THIS MOVES FORWARD TO COUNCIL? YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS.

I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 180 6.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST OF AN AMENDMENT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.

VICE CHAIR.

WOO, FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

I WOULD ASK MY COMMISSIONERS TO SUPPORT THIS AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.

UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. CLINTON.

THANK MR. ESPARZA, MR. MARTINEZ, UM, FOR CONTINUING TO WORK ON THIS CASE.

UM, THE COMMISSIONERS MAY RECALL THAT WE HEARD THIS IN EARLIER THIS SPRING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IT FOR ME, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT CASE BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIRECT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER AUTO RELATED BUSINESSES IN THE AREA.

THERE'S BEEN NO KNOWN ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

HOWEVER, THE COMMUNITY HAS ONGOING ISSUES WITH LOADING, UM, THE OVERALL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA.

I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY ONCE WHERE I HAVEN'T OBSERVED CODE VIOLATIONS.

UM, WE HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO, UM, IDENTIFY CODE COMPLIANCE.

I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT ACKNOWLEDGING AND BILLING, BEING WILLING TO WORK WITH THE, UM, COMMUNITY.

AND IN FACT I THINK TRY TO SET AN EXAMPLE ON HOW BUSINESSES SHOULD RUN.

SO I DIDN'T COME TO THIS LIGHTLY.

UM, I KNOW IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FOR MANY IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO CONSIDER HAVING ADDITIONAL INTENSITY OF USES.

BUT I THINK WITH THE PATH TO GIVE THEM SOME PROTECTIONS THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS PROVIDE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT,

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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HANSON.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

THE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM NUMBER 15,

[15. 24-2384 An application for an amendment to Specific Use Permit No. 1959 for an attached projecting non-premise district activity videoboard sign on property zoned Planned Development District No. 619, on the southeast corner of Elm Street and North Field Street.]

PLEASE.

ITEM 15 KC 2 34 DASH 2 0 9.

AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1959 FOR AN ATTACHED PROJECTING NON-PREMISE DISTRICT ACTIVITY VIDEO BOARD SIGN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SIX 19 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ELM STREET AND NORTHFIELD STREET STAFF'S.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A SIX YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED AMENDED CONDITIONS.

I'LL SEE THE APPLICANT THIS YEAR.

HELLO AGAIN.

VICTORIA MORRIS WITH JACKSON WALKER, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, SUITE 600 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

BIG OUTDOOR.

SINCE THE LAST HEARING, WE WORKED WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AT DESHAZO TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENT REGARDING THE TRAFFIC MEMO FOR THE PROPOSED VIDEO BOARD.

AND AS YOU HEARD DURING THE BRIEFING, THE FINDINGS WERE FAVORABLE.

THE SIGN DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH ANY OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, NOR HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ABNORMAL TRAFFIC, UH, SAFETY INS, INCIDENTS IN THE AREA.

SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR TIME ASSISTING WITH OUR APPLICATION AND WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 2 0 9? I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL SIX YEAR PERIOD YEAH, FOR A SIX YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDED AMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 16, CASE Z, 2 34 DASH 1 91.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.

NUMBER 16,

[16. 24-2368 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a truck stop on property zoned a CS Commercial Service District with Specific Use Permit No. 1851 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store 3,500 square feet or less and a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the west corner of C.F. Hawn Freeway and Silverado Drive.]

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TRUCK STOP ON PROPERTY ZONED A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 180 5 1 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.

3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.

AND A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE WEST CORNER OF CF HA FREEWAY AND SILVERADO DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

UP THAT PORTION OF THE SITE AND KIND OF ADDRESS NEIGHBOR CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, PROLIFERATION OF TRUCKS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT NICE LOOKING APPEARANCES IN THE GENERAL AREA.

UM, ANDREW REIG, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.

I'M 5 2 0 1 HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

UH, MR. MARLOWE, UH, WHO IS HERE WITH ME TODAY.

UM, I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE ITEMS. UM, I, IT WAS A GOOD BRIEFING.

I APPRECIATE THE, UH, INFORMATION, A COUPLE UPDATES, WHICH I THINK YOU RECEIVED, UH, IN YOUR PACKET THIS WEEK.

UM, WITH THIS PROPOSED SUP, UH, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE ITEMS. ONE, THERE'S ALREADY A TRUCK STOP USE, UH, AND FUELING STATION WITH CONVENIENCE STORE ON SITE.

UH, MR. MARLOW'S BEEN OPERATING THAT SINCE, UH, 1984, UH, AND HAS A CO FROM THE EIGHTIES FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO THIS SUP FOR THE TRUCK STOP IS TO ENLARGE THE, UH, WHAT'S NOW IN A NON-CONFORMING USE.

AT THE TIME IT WAS NOT, UH, TRUCK STOP USE WASN'T ACTUALLY A CODIFIED USE UNTIL 2002.

IT BECAME A USE IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO NOW HE'S TECHNICALLY LEGAL NON-CONFORMING.

UH, THE, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS TO, UH, REDEVELOP THE SITE WITH ESSENTIALLY THE SAME USES ON SITE, BUT A A NEW LAYOUT, UM, A NEW STORE, YOU KNOW, THE STORE'S BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME, SO IT'S AGING A LITTLE BIT.

AND TO REFRESH THE AREA, UH, WITH THAT REFRESH, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE'VE, UM, ADDRESSED THAT ARE KIND OF MORE COMMUNITY FOCUSED CONCERNS.

UH, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THOSE, UM, QUICKLY.

THERE'S TWO LOTS IN THIS, UM, AREA OF REQUESTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY NOT MR. MARLOW'S, HE PURCHASED THOSE IN JULY, 2023.

UH, PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD BEEN USED AS KIND OF A DUMPING GROUND FOR TRUCKS AND TRASH.

UH, SO HE HAD AN EXTENSIVE CLEANUP EFFORT TO, UH, CLEAN

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UM, WITH THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, UH, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE RELOCATED THE TRUCK STOP COMPONENT, WHICH TRUCK STOP REALLY JUST MEANS COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING, UH, SET CENTER, UH, FOR THE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING COMPONENT.

SO WE'VE REORGANIZED THE SITE WHERE THE TRUCKS WILL, UM, ACCESS THE SITE FROM SILVERADO AND THEN EXIT ON CF HA AND SEPARATING THE TRUCK TRAFFIC VERSUS THE TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, YOUR NORMAL DRIVER, UH, TRAFFIC.

SO THOSE TWO ARE NOW SEPARATED IN THIS CURRENT CONFIGURATION.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, CONDITIONS IN THERE THAT, UH, ONLY ALLOW INGRESS, UH, FROM SILVERADO FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES.

SO THEY'RE FORCED TO MAKE A, UH, EXIT ON CF HA AND MAKING SURE THAT COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES DO NOT FUNNEL DOWN ON SILVERADO.

UM, THE TRUCKS, WELL, OH, I GUESS I'M GETTING AN ECHO.

UM, , ONE QUICK CHANGE THAT WE MADE WITH OUR SITE PLAN.

UH, WE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ARBORIST DEPARTMENT THIS WEEK, AND THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT OUR CURRENT SITE PLAN WOULDN'T MEET ARTICLE 10.

SO WE FIXED THAT AND ESSENTIALLY BUMPED OUR LANDSCAPING INTERIOR TO THE SITE TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT MINIMUM FIVE FOOT BUFFER ZONE.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT'S REFLECTED TODAY AND HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD? YES, SIR.

UH, CARL MARLOW, UH, I STARTED THE COMPANY 49 YEARS AGO AND IT'S BEEN IN THE SAME PLACE FOR 45 YEARS.

UH, THE FACILITY IS OLD, LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN HERE POINTED OUT, AFTER SO LONG THEY GET OLD AND THEY GET TIRED AND YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING WITH YOU, YOU GOTTA SELL 'EM OR REDO 'EM, AND I WANT TO REDO IT.

I WANNA BE THERE ANOTHER 50 YEARS.

AND THIS YOUNG LADY IS MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW.

WE ARE FAMILY BUSINESS AND SHE WILL BE FOLLOWING IN MY FOOTSTEPS WHEN I DECIDE TO STEP BACK.

I'M JESS FINLEY WITH MARLOWE ENTERPRISES AT 1 1 8 1 0 CF HUNT FREEWAY IN DALLAS.

I'VE BEEN WITH MARLOW'S FOR 18 YEARS.

UM, I GREW UP IN THIS COMMUNITY FAR BEFORE I WAS EVER A PART OF THE MARLOW'S FAMILY.

HE BROUGHT HIS YOUNG FAMILY HERE IN 1976 BEFORE IT WAS PART OF CITY OF DALLAS.

UM, WE CALL OURSELVES THE GATEWAY OF KLEBERG, SOMETHING MS. BLAIR GAVE US THAT WE FOUND A LOT OF PRIDE IN HAVING.

WE POURED A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF HOURS, A LOT OF BLOOD AND SWEAT INTO THIS BUSINESS.

HE HAS.

I KNOW I HAVE MAYBE ONE DAY MY CHILDREN WILL.

UM, BUT IT DESERVES THIS, IT DESERVES THE INVESTMENT TO BE REMODELED AND REMADE IN SOMETHING OUR COMMUNITY CAN PROUD OF.

UM, WE SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES, WE SUPPORT LOCAL CHURCHES AND YOUTH GROUPS.

WE'D JUST LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND CONTINUE WITH SUPPORT OF OUR CITY.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? UH, LET'S SEE.

I THINK WE DO HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER.

UH, YEAH, IT'S MR. ABRAMS ONLINE.

YES, MR. HELMS IS MR. ABRAMS LINE.

HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

WE CAN, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR, YOUR CAMERA IS ON.

SO WE, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO TURN SO WE CAN SEE ON THE CAMERA.

PARDON ME? WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TURN ON THE CAMERA.

HANG ON.

HERE WE GO.

I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE LIQUOR AND TRUCKS.

SIR, WE, YOU, WE CAN'T SEE YOU YET.

PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON.

COME LOOK.

YES, IT'S ON.

WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU UNLESS WE CAN SEE YOU.

IT'S STAY LONG.

HE'S ON.

WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT TO COME ON.

CAN YOU, WE CAN'T SEE YOU.

WHAT? LIKE TURN THAT OFF.

TURN OFF, OFF? NO, IT'S THAT LIGHT SWITCH.

TURN OFF.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S TOO BRIGHT.

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? NO, SIR, NOT YET.

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW? OKAY.

I, WE ARE TRYING.

HELLO? WE'RE WE'RE STILL WAITING TO SEE YOU, SIR.

WHAT? CAN YOU SEE ME? NO, SIR, NOT YET.

NOW CAN YOU SEE ME? UH, NO.

WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.

NEXT TO THE GAS STATION FOR 30 SOME YEARS AND OVER THE YEARS IT'S JUST DUMPED MORE AND MORE TRASH.

YOU READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS? THANK YOU.

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THE TRUCK JUST GO DOWN SILVERADO.

THEY DON'T STOP.

I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE MARLOW TO CONTINUE SELLING GAS.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT HAPPY.

MY NEIGHBORS AREN'T HAPPY WITH THE LIQUOR STORE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

UH, IT'S JUST GONNA BRING A BAD ELEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WORSE RACING DOWN THERE LATE NIGHT JUST BEFORE THEY CLOSE OR IT, WE DON'T NEED TRUCKERS BUYING LIQUOR TO GET IN THEIR TRUCKS TO DRIVE AWAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN ISSUE.

I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK ON GETTING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANED UP FOR A LONG TIME AND IT HAS GOTTEN CLEANED UP AND SO I'M JUST DOING MY BEST.

AND THE CORRIDOR WHERE THEY WANNA TURN FROM THE FREEWAY, THEY WERE TRYING TO SAY THEY'RE DOING A STUDY.

WELL, THE OTHER DAY, AN 18 WHEELER WAS PULLING OUT AND A GUY RAN THROUGH THE YIELD SIGN, ALMOST HIT HIM WHEN I WAS EXITING THE FREEWAY.

SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE WHEN YOU'RE EXITING ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD OF SILVER, UH, ON A CF ON, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE TRAFFIC OF THE TRUCKS.

AND THEY SAY THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY WE SAW, THEY PUT UP A CAMERA FOR A DAY AND A HALF, AND THEN THEY CAME AND TOOK IT DOWN ON SILVERADO FACING IN THERE.

AS WELL AS THE TRUCK SIGN CONSTANTLY GETS TAKEN DOWN WHERE NO TRUCKS CAN GO DOWN SILVERADO EITHER WAY.

AND THEY JUST GO THROUGH, THEY DON'T FOLLOW THAT LAW ABOUT THE SIGN WITH THE TRUCKS.

THEY JUST REFUSE TO STOP CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVERYWHERE.

PLEASE STAY ON ONLINE.

THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR.

YES, I'M HERE.

QUESTIONS FOR OUR, OUR SPEAKERS AND OUR APPLICANT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UH, MR. RUIC, YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE YOU STILL HAVE SOME MORE, A FEW MORE SLIDES TO SHOW.

CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW THOSE SLIDES FIRST PLEASE? YES.

IT'S ONE OF THE MORE, UH, BUSY DAYS OF THE WEEK AND WEEKEND FOR THIS.

UH, SO I WANT TO, UH, RESPOND TO, UH, UH, MR. ABRAMS AND SHOW A FEW ADDITIONAL SLIDES.

UM, WE, WE'VE MET, UM, UH, WITH THE KLEBERG NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND SEPARATELY WITH, UH, MR. ABRAMS. UH, I'VE TALKED WITH HIM OVER THE PHONE AND HEARD THE CONCERNS, UM, WHICH OUR, OUR, OUR VALID FOR PARTS OF THE AREA.

UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, WE HAVE DONE A TRAFFIC, UH, ANALYSIS, WHICH I'LL SHOW HERE IN A SECOND.

UM, IF YOU SEE THE, THE SLIDE HERE, WE'VE DONE SOME TRAFFIC COUNTS OVER, UM, ONE WAS OVER A SEVEN DAY PERIOD.

ONE WAS OVER A THREE DAY PERIOD.

AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE TRUCKS.

UM, THIS, THIS WAS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MOST FOR, FOR THESE STUDIES ARE THE ARTICULATED TRUCKS, WHICH MEAN THE, UH, LARGEST TRUCKS THAT, UM, ARE, WOULD BE USING OUR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING CENTER.

SO WE LOOKED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SILVERADO, UH, AND THE CURRENT, UH, MARLOW'S, UH, DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS UP HERE ON THE NORTH, UH, EAST.

AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, TRA TRAFFIC ON SILVERADO FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, JUST ON THE AERIAL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR SITE THAT'S RUNNING CF HAN.

UM, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, I THINK THE, THE PROBLEM, UH, PROPERTY IS THE ONE DIRECTLY SOUTHEAST OF OURS, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE.

UM, UH, OR SORRY, HEAVY MACHINERY AND COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE, UH, REPAIR CENTER USE, UH, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY PERMITTED, BUT I THINK THEY MAY HAVE AN ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY WHERE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE TRUCK COUNTS COME FROM.

UM, SO WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THIS, WHAT THE STUDY LOOKED AT.

AND, UM, THIS IS JUST A QUICK CLASSIFICATION OF WHAT, UH, WHAT IS CONSIDERED A TRUCK AND HOW THE STUDY LOOKS AT THOSE.

SO I, UH, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THOSE ARE LIGHT, UH, VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL CARS, SOME MOTORCYCLES, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN ARE, UH, TYPICALLY MORE OF YOUR DELIVERY TRUCKS.

UM, AND THEN ITEMS EIGHT THROUGH 12 ARE WHAT THEY CALL ARTICULATED TRUCKS, UH, FOR THE VEHICLE CLASSIFICATION.

SO, UM, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON SILVERADO AND THE MARLOW'S DRIVEWAY FIRST.

SO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, COUNT WAS OVER A THREE DAY PERIOD, A THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE TWO BOTTOM COLUMNS, UM, OR I GUESS IT'S THE THREE BOTTOM COLUMNS, YOU'LL SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TRIPS, WHICH IS ALL VEHICLES THAT I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.

AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ARTICULATED TRUCKS, WHICH ARE OUR, YOU KNOW, HEAVY, UH, TRUCK USES.

AND THEN BELOW THAT YOU'LL SEE HOW MANY OF THOSE TRUCK TRIPS PER DAY.

THERE, UH, WERE IN THIS, THIS STUDY PERIOD.

I, I, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT IN TIME, BUT, UM,

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SO THESE ARE THE COUNTS FOR THE SILVERADO DRIVEWAY OR MARLOW'S DRIVEWAY AND SILVERADO.

AND, UH, WE HAVE 'EM BROKEN DOWN INTO SOUTHBOUND THROUGH, WHICH MEANS THE TRUCK WENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH DOWN TO SILVERADO, UH, SOUTHBOUND RIGHT TURN MEANS THE TRUCK CAME IN AND TURNED INTO MARLOW'S.

YOU'LL SEE THAT IS, UH, THE LAR ONE OF THE, THE LARGEST TRUCK TRIP NUMBERS.

SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC COMING IN INTO MARLOW'S CURRENTLY THAT ARE TRUCKS.

UM, THEN YOU ALSO HAVE NORTHBOUND THROUGH NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN, UM, EASTBOUND, UH, LEFT TURN EASTBOUND, RIGHT TURN.

SO THOSE ARE, UH, THE NORTHBOUND TRUCKS IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH OR TURNING INTO MARLOW.

AND THEN EASTBOUND LEFT TURN EASTBOUND RIGHT TURN, THAT'S CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION TO TRUCKS EXITING.

SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF OUR SUP UH, CONDITIONS.

UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY TO THIS, WE ALSO HAD THE TRAFFIC COUNTS FURTHER DOWN ON SILVERADO.

NOW THIS JUST LOOKED AT TRAFFIC COUNTS, YOU KNOW, JUST GOING NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND.

SO, UH, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE CHART HERE AND SEE THAT THE LIGHTS, WHICH ARE JUST YOUR TYPICAL VEHICLES MEDIUMS, UH, YOUR, YOUR BOX TRUCKS, UM, DELIVERY TRUCKS, AND THEN ARTICULATED TRUCKS, WHICH IS THE LAR LARGE TRAILERS, UM, GOING SOUTHBOUND AND NORTHBOUND THROUGH MARLOW.

SO, UM, THE ARTICULATED TRUCKS GOING SOUTHBOUND ALL THE WAY FROM, UM, THE TOP OF SILVERADO DOWN TO KLEBERG ROAD.

THOSE ARE VERY RARE IN OCCURRENCE, LESS THAN ONE PER DAY.

AND THEN TRUCKS GOING NORTHBOUND, UH, ON SILVERADO.

SO THIS IS THROUGH, THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM KLEBERG ROAD UP PAST MARLOW'S.

THAT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF A DAY.

SO THE POINT THAT WE FOUND WITH THIS DATA IS TRUCKS GOING SOUTHBOUND ON SILVERADO ARE PRIMARILY ENTERING OUR, I WILL CALL THEM A PROBLEM, UH, OPERATOR TO OUR SOUTH, UM, AND NOT ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, CONTIN.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY TYPICALLY GO INTO THAT BUSINESS AND DO NOT CONTINUE DOWN ON SILVERADO.

UM, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS, AND I HAVE A SLIDE HERE IN A SECOND THAT WILL SHOW YOU THE CONDITIONS, BUT, UH, MOST OF THAT TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING SOUTHBOUND IS ENTERING INTO A, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY TO OURS, UM, WITH OUR DESIGN, UH, AND LIMITING EGRESS ONTO SILVERADO FROM THE TRUCK.

UM, THE TRUCK ENTRANCE POINT I THINK WE'LL HELP.

UM, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT WITH OUR STUDY IS WE ARE NOT THE CAUSE NOW OR PLAN.

WE DO NOT PLAN TO BE THE, THE CAUSE IN THE FUTURE FOR TRUCKS TRAVELING DOWN, UM, SILVERADO ROAD.

SO ONE OTHER SLIDE I WANNA SHOW YOU, UM, WHICH MR. ABRAMS DESCRIBED HERE IS, UH, JUST SOUTH OF OUR CURRENT ENTRANCE, WHICH IS STILL PROPOSED WITH OUR REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS TO, UH, BE, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR LOCATION, BUT THIS TIME IT'S OUR ONLY ENTRY POINT.

THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH OF OUR SITE DOWN SILVERADO.

AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE NO TRUCK SIGN EXCEPT FOR DELIVERIES, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAY, MAY GET IGNORED ONCE OR TWICE, UM, BASED ON OUR DATA WE'VE SHOWN.

AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE TO THE RIGHT HERE, UM, A UH, TRUCK REPAIR, UM, OPERATOR THAT I THINK IS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF ISSUES AND CONCERN WITH MR. ABRAMS AND THE SEVERAL RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON SILVERADO ROAD.

ONE OTHER NOTE I JUST WANNA MAKE FOR FROM THIS PICTURE, UM, IS YOU CAN SEE THE TREES OVERHANGING SILVERADO ROAD AND IT'S REALLY NOT A GREAT PLACE IF YOU'RE A TRUCKER TO REALLY WANT TO TRAVEL.

I'M SURE THERE'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, RARE CASE WHICH OUR DATA SHOWS.

THERE IS A RARE CASE OF TRUCKS TRAVELING THAT ROUTE, BUT YOU'RE ON A TIGHT ROAD, YOU HAVE SPEED HUMPS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

I THINK YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR DOWN SILVERADO, WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.

UH, AND YOU HAVE THE TREE OVERHANGS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE ROAD.

SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT OUR ANALYSIS SHOWS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PART OF THIS OTHER ISSUE, BUT WE WANTED, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS AN ISSUE AND, UH, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED THE FRUSTRATIONS MR. ABRAMS HAS HAD WITH, UH, THIS OTHER NEIGHBOR, BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE A CAUSE UH, TO THAT ISSUE.

AND, UM, ONE OTHER JUST QUICK THING.

I KNOW WE TOUCHED ON THIS IN THE BRIEFING, BUT TO, TO MR. ABRAMS' POINT AS WELL, WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH AN UPDATED RES STRIPING PLAN FOR THE SILVERADO, UH, TURNAROUND AND ENTRY POINT TO MARLOW'S.

I THINK MR. ABRAMS MENTIONED THERE WAS A, AN ISSUE HE HAD THE OTHER DAY WITH, UM, SOME, SOME VEHICLES OVER THERE.

SO WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO HELPING THAT SITUATION OUT.

UM, AND WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? YES.

UM, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

CURRENTLY, MARLOW'S ALREADY, UH, HAS A SUP IN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION TO SELL BEER

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AND WINE, CORRECT? OH, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THIS DOES, THIS IS NOT CHANGING THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.

THERE, UH, THE LIQUOR STORE USE MENTIONED WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR REQUEST.

THIS IS JUST TO EXPAND WHAT IS ALREADY BEING DONE AFTER HE PURCHASED, UM, A BUSINESS THAT WASN'T AC WASN'T OPERATING IN CO COMPLIANCY, CORRECT? Y YES.

UH, MAYBE MR. MARLOW, DID YOU PURCHASE THIS FROM, THIS WOULD BE BACK IN THE EIGHTIES IF THERE WAS AN EXISTING USE THERE ALREADY? YES, IT WAS.

THERE WAS AN EXISTING TRUCK STOP THERE BEFORE, UH, A GENTLEMAN NAMED MR. BEAN HAD IT.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE WE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.

SO YOU HAVE SOME I'M SORRY.

UH, I PURCHASED A PROPERTY IN, IN 1982.

UH, THAT ABOUT, THAT WAS BEFORE WE WERE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.

EVEN IT WAS THE TOWNSHIP OF CLEAVER.

NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PORTION, THE, THE PORTION THAT YOU JUST PURCHASED.

MS. BLAIR, MY HEARING IS VERY BAD.

I'M GONNA LET LET MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW ANSWER THE QUESTION.

SO THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE PROPERTY WE BOUGHT FROM THE TAYLORS BEHIND US WHEN THERE WAS A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROBLEM.

UM, SOME OF THE PICTURES YOU GUYS SEE, UH, MR. WICK SHOW YOU THAT TALKED ABOUT THE TRASH AND THE DEBRIS WAS THERE.

THOSE ARE LOTS THAT ARE JOINED TO OURS BUT DID NOT BELONG TO US.

UM, EARLY LAST YEAR, I WOULD SAY IT WAS EARLY LAST YEAR, CODE ENFORCEMENT STARTED COMING OUT AND SAYING, HEY, TRUCK PARKING'S NOT A THING.

YOU KNOW, THIS LOOKS BAD.

WE DID OUR PART ON OUR LOTS.

THEY WERE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THE OTHER PARTIES COMPLYING.

SO WE APPROACHED THOSE PEOPLE AND ASKED IF WE COULD BUY THE PROPERTY AND WE DID SO, AND WE BOUGHT IT IN JULY.

I THINK WE CLOSED ON THE 10TH OF JULY LAST YEAR.

AND THEN WE INVESTED AND FORCED EVERYBODY TO CLEAN IT UP.

AND MS. FERRIS SEEN THAT FIRSTHAND.

WE WERE REPLACED ALL THE FENCING, CLEANED ALL THE DEBRIS, HAULED OFF 18 WHEELERS THAT HAD BEEN PARKED THERE FOR PROBABLY 20 YEARS.

AND I'M NOT EXAGGERATING, THE PICTURES ARE WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

UM, SO ONCE WE OWN THAT PROPERTY AS WELL, WE THOUGHT THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME.

IT'S ALREADY CLEANED UP THAT WE CAN EXPAND BECAUSE OUR LOCATION IS SO MUCH OLDER THAT IT'S REALLY TIME TO JUST TAKE IT DOWN AND REBUILD IT UP.

BUT THAT WAS OUR INTENTION AFTER WE GAINED IT.

THE CASE ON 2111, UM, SILVERADO AND I ASKED THEM TO CLEAN IT UP.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS OR SPEAKERS? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M SORRY SIR.

UH, OUR HEARINGS DON'T WORK THAT WAY, SIR.

UH, QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER AND OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UM, YES AND I, I WOULDN'T, I I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

UM, YOU ARE COMING IN ON SILVERADO AND GOING OUT ON SERVICE ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

FOR, UH, THE COMMERCIAL MO WELL, TECHNICALLY BOTH THE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC FOR THE TRUCK STOP USE AND THE UM, UH, REGULAR VEHICLES FOR THE GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORED, BUT OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, SO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 1 9 1, I MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND PROVE THAT THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES.

THE SUP EXPIRES IN S IN THREE YEARS IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR AUTO, UH, EXPIRES IN FIVE YEARS AND NOT ELIGIBLE FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, LANDSCAPING MUST BE PROVIDED AND MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE TO ARTICLE 10 FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE INGRESS.

INGRESS IS ONLY ALLOWED FROM, NO, WHAT IS IT? YOUR INGRESS WILL COME IN FROM? SILVERADO.

FROM SILVERADO AND EGRESS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON ALL ON, ON, ON THE SERVICE ROAD ONLY.

GOT IT.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, A HALF COMMENTS, I WILL SECOND YOUR MOTION COMMENT WHEN YOU'RE COMING OFF OF 1 75 AND 20 THIS, AND YOU LOOK TO YOUR, YOUR RIGHT, THIS IS THE FIRST BUSINESS YOU SEE WHEN I ORIGINALLY, WHEN I REALLY GOT TO KNOW THE MARLOW IS WHEN MR. ABRAMS CALLED ME AND COMPLAINED ABOUT THE TRUCK PARKING AND THE NUISANCES, THE BUSINESS THAT IS, THAT IS COMPLETELY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HIS RESIDENCE.

AND YOU GUYS REMEMBER

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I ASKED THEM IF, BECAUSE MARLOW'S HAS BEEN A STAPLE FOREVER, THAT, AND I WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD 'EM, YOU'RE THE GATEWAY TO KLEBERG WHEN YOU'RE COMING THIS WAY.

AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO CLEAN UP 1 75, YOU GOTTA START AT THE GATEWAY.

EVERYTHING I'VE ASKED OF THE MARLOW'S, THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WAS REQUIRED TO CLEAN UP ALL CODE ACTIVITY.

AND THERE WAS EVERY, EVERY BUSINESS AND EVERY LOT EXCEPT FOR MODELS, I BELIEVE HAD CODE VIOLATIONS.

AND THE CODE VIOLATIONS WERE, WAS ILLEGAL TRUCK PARKING.

THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES WHO WAS FOLLOWING THEIR, FOLLOWING THE RULES.

I'M NOT GONNA PUT, I'M NOT GONNA PUNISH THEM FOR FOLLOWING THE RULES, BUT I AM GOING TO, UM, MONITOR FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.

YOU KEEP IT UP, YOU KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS AND YOU, AND, AND YOU CAN MOVE ON WITH, WITH MORE TIME ON YOUR SUVS.

UM, SO I ASK THAT YOU ALLOW THIS TO CONTIN OR ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING AND VOTE WITH ME.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, COULD I, COULD I GET A CLARIFICATION OF FROM COMMISSIONER BLAIR ON THE SITE PLAN? UM, SO YOU MENTIONED YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE INGRESS ON THE COMMERCIAL B ON SILVERADO.

SO BASED ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE DOCKET, UM, IT IS SHOWING INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THE LOOKS LIKE CENTRAL OR SOUTH, THE MIDDLE OF SILVERADO.

ARE YOU WANTING THAT TO CHANGE BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR I JUST WANT TO GET CLARITY.

YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY.

SO, UM, HOW WE HAVE IT IN, UM, THE CONDITIONS NOW IS THAT COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE, UM, EGRESS IS NOT PERMITTED ON SILVERADO AND WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE INGRESS ONLY ON SILVERADO.

UM, IS THE THE POINT WE'RE WE'RE MAKING HERE FOR THE SITE PLAN.

COULD YOU GET IT? SO THE, UM, THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS CIRCULATED YESTERDAY, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S ARTICLE 10 COMPLIANT.

THAT'S THE VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN YES, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.

AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO REVISE THAT SITE PLAN ON THE WAY TO COUNCIL TO JUST SHOW INGRESS ONTO SILVERADO.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SHOWS INGRESS AND EGRESS.

RIGHT? WELL, SO THE INGRESS ONLY, WHICH IS SHOWN IS JUST FOR THE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES, WHICH ARE, IF YOU LOOK, UH, I GUESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PLAN, UH, 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE NOR, UH, NORMAL MOTOR VEHICLES INGRESS EGRESS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PLAN.

ON THE SMALLER, UH, LET'S SEE IF MY CURSOR WILL WORK ON CFO.

SO THE, THE MOTOR VEHICLES CAN COME IN AND OUT ON CF HAN THE MOTOR, THE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES CAN ONLY COME IN ON SILVERADO.

SO THE, SO WHAT IT IS AND, AND YOUR SITE PLAN NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT.

SO THE FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE INGRESS IS ONLY FROM SILVERADO EGRESS WILL ONLY BE FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ON THE SER ON THE SERVICE ROLE, THE CF HAN SERVICE ROLE.

AND WE, WE CAN ADD A NOTE TO THE PLAN THAT MIGHT HELP CLEAR THINGS UP.

AND YOU HAD SAID IN YOUR MOTION IT WAS SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN PLAN.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE WERE CLEAR ON WHAT THE REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN WERE.

BUT I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

THANKS GUYS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEE NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

MOVE TO CASE NUMBER

[17. 24-2385 An application for a TH-3(A) Townhouse District with deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District, on the southwest corner of Greenville Avenue and Old Greenville Road, south of Forest Lane and north of Royal Lane.]

17.

ITEM NUMBER 17 IS KZ 2 3 4 2 7.

AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 7.5.

A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GREENVILLE AVENUE IN OLD GREENVILLE ROAD, SOUTH OF FOREST LANE AND NORTH OF ROYAL LANE.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

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COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.

IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 3 4 DASH 2 0 7, I MOVE THAT WE HOLD THIS MATTER.

KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL SEPTEMBER THE FIFTH.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

MS. GARZA.

MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER

[18. 24-2372 An application for a Specific Use Permit for a microbrewery, microdistillery, or winery on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development District No. 269, the Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the northwest corner of Main Street and North Crowdus Street.]

18.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 18, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 23.

AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MICROBREWERY MICRO DISTILLERY OR WINERY ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK A WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 69, THE DEEP EL NEAR EAST SIDE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND NORTH CROWDED STREET.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.

SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

WE TRY THAT AGAIN.

AHA.

NOW IT'S ON AUDREY BUCKLEY.

1414 BELLEVUE STREET, SUITE ONE 50, DALLAS, TEXAS.

UH, I HEARD THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING AND I HEARD SOME THINGS THAT UH, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD BEFORE AND THE COMMISSIONER WHO SAID IT IS GONE, WHICH REALLY SUCKS.

UM, JUST AS A EDUCATIONAL POINT, UM, CHAPTER SIX OF THE CITY OF DALLAS ALCOHOL BEVERAGES ORDINANCE.

IT'S, UH, SECTION 6.4.

THERE ARE THREE AREAS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM ALL ALCOHOL REGULATIONS AS FAR AS MEASUREMENTS AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND THAT IS WEST VILLAGE, UH, PD 2 69 AND THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PASSED A LONG TIME AGO WHEN UPLIFT CAME INTO DEEP ELLUM.

SO IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A TRINITY CIDER.

THEY DO ALREADY HAVE AN OPERATION IN DEEP ELLUM JUST UP THE ROAD.

UH, THEY'RE A PRETTY GOOD OPERATOR.

THEY HAVE A, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE AN SUP THAT'S ON AUTO RENEWAL, UH, FOR THEIR CURRENT SPACE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE SMALL.

IT'S ABOUT 1156 SQUARE FEET.

SO THEY'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THIS ONE.

THIS USED TO BE A BAR.

THERE WERE TWO BARS HERE.

UH, I THINK THEY WERE COED AS RESTAURANTS, BUT IN DEEP EL EM YOU CAN HAVE A MIXED BEVERAGE IN LATE HOURS WITH A 75 25 SPLIT ALCOHOL FOOD.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE RESTAURANTS LOOKING MORE LIKE BARS THAN THEY DO RESTAURANTS.

BUT IN THIS CASE, UH, THEY'RE A GOOD OPERATOR.

UM, LIKE I SAY, THEY, THEY PLAN TO CLOSE DOWN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION AND MOVE INTO THIS ONE.

IT'S ALL OF 2250 SQUARE FEET.

UM, THEY DON'T REQUIRE ANY PARKING.

UH, THEY'RE VERY SMALL BATCH ACCORDING TO TABC REGULATIONS.

THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO PRODUCE 35,000 GALLONS IN A YEAR.

SO THAT KEEPS, UH, WHEN, WHEN DIFFERENT BARS AND RESTAURANTS ACTUALLY CARRY THEIR SITE OR THEY ACTUALLY ROLL UP IN A COROLLA OR THERE'S A VAN THAT DELIVERS IT.

SO IT'S NOT A BIG PRODUCTION FACILITY.

IT'S NOT LIKE A FOUR CORNERS OR A BISHOP CIDER.

SO WITH THAT, I THINK, UH, WE HAVE SOMEBODY ONLINE THAT'S GONNA SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS AS WELL.

SO I'LL BE AROUND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WE DO HAVE SOMEONE ONLINE.

I HOPE MS. HEIDELBERG, MS. HE BERG ONLINE.

STEPHANIE HEIBERG, THERE SHE IS.

THERE SHE IS.

PROCESS AND RATHER ROBUST PROCESS.

GOOD EVENING, LONG TIME.

NO C APPRECIATE THE TIME AGAIN TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS STEPHANIE KELLER BERG.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE DEEP BEUM FOUNDATION.

I LIVE 6 2 0 7 BRIAN PARKWAY, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF TRINITY CIDER AS WELL.

TRINITY CIDER, AS AUDRA MENTIONED, IS A BUSINESS THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN OUR DISTRICT OPERATING CONTINUOUSLY FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.

IT IS A BUSINESS THAT'S SIMPLY MOVING TO A LARGER SPACE, NECESSITATING THE NEW CO.

AND SO THIS IS A BUSINESS, UM, THAT AS AUDRA MENTIONED, IS A SMALL BATCH OPERATOR.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A LARGE LOADING AND UNLOADING, UM, APPARATUS THAT THEY NEED TO OPERATE.

AND WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAPPEN TO HAVE A DESIGNATED LOADING ZONE THAT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT THEY'RE MOVING TO.

UM, IT IS AN IMPORTANT CORNER IN THE DEEP ELM DISTRICT.

IT'S RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF MAIN AND CROWDED STREET.

SO IT'S AN ACTIVE CORNER AND IT'S A CORNER THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY LIKES TO SEE ACTIVATED, UM, BY A GOOD OPERATOR, PARTICULARLY IN THE EVENING TIMES.

AND SO I'M HERE ON BEHALF TO SHARE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

I CAN SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO ANY OF THE OPERATIONS, BUT ALSO TO OUR PROCESS AT THE DEBELL FOUNDATION.

UM, WE DO HAVE A REGULARLY, UM, ENGAGED

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WE HAVE AN SUP TASK FORCE, WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE THAT ARE ALL VERY ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS.

UM, AND DO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE OUR CRIME STATS, OF COURSE.

UM, OUR OFF-DUTY OFFICERS, OUR ON-DUTY OFFICERS, OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS INPUT IN ORDER TO PUT TOGETHER LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION TO PUT FORTH TO ALL OF YOU.

AND, UM, OUR BOARD DID SUPPORT THIS SUP ONCE AGAIN THIS TIME.

AND AS WELL I BOTH, I ALSO KNOW THE OWNERS OF THIS BUSINESS PERSONALLY.

UM, THE OWNERS OF THIS BUSINESS SERVE ON OUR TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AS WELL AS ANOTHER OWNER SERVES ON OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

THEY ARE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE'D LIKE THEM TO STAY.

SO, SO WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS? HAPPY TO ANSWER.

OTHERWISE, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO BE HEARD? COMMISSIONER'S.

QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS.

IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 34 DASH 2 23, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE RE REQUESTED SUP FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITHOUT AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

I WILL SECOND IT.

UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK MS. BUCKLEY AND MS. UH, BERG, UM, WHO HAVE BOTH BEEN MONITORING THIS CASE.

UM, WE'VE BEEN IN FREQUENT CONTACT, UM, IN THE PAST WEEK AS WE ARE EVALUATING THIS, MAKING SURE AS THIS BUSINESS IS LOOKING TO EXPAND AND MAKE, UM, MOVE TO A NEW LOCATION, THAT THEY REMAIN THE GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT THEY'VE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME.

UM, I TYPICALLY WOULD NOT RECOMMEND A FIVE YEAR, UM, RENEWAL.

HOWEVER, AS AN EXISTING BUSINESS, THEY'VE HAD NO PROBLEMS. I THINK IT JUST GIVES US THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT 'EM ONE MORE TIME ONCE THEY GET ESTABLISHED.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED, I FULLY ANTICIPATE WHEN THEY'RE BACK, THEY WILL PROBABLY LIKELY GO BACK TO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AS THEY HAVE TODAY.

UM, I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE STAFF AND THEIR DILIGENCE IN LOOKING AT THIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, WE CAME TO DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS, BUT IT'S PART OF WHY WE HAVE THE SUP PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE THEM TAKING A LOOK AT ALL THE SURROUNDING LAND USES BECAUSE IT IS A CRITICAL PART OF HOW WE EVALUATE SUVS.

HOPE EVERYONE WILL SUPPORT THE REQUEST.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR, UH, A FIVE YEAR SUP AND AUTOMATIC RENEWALS CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

[19. 24-2373 An application for 1) an amendment to Tract II within Planned Development District No. 234; and 2) a Specific Use Permit for a service station, on the east side of South Cockrell Hill Road, south of Corral Drive.]

GO TO NUMBER 19.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 19, CASE Z 2 34 DASH 2 24.

AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, AN AMENDMENT TO TRACK TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2, 3, 4, AND TWO.

A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A SERVICE STATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH C**K ROW, HILL ROAD, SOUTH OF, UH, CORAL DRIVE.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.

UM, I, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, UM, UNTIL THE SECOND, THE SEPTEMBER, UH, MEETING.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND COMMISSIONER CHERNO FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? YES, JUST QUICKLY.

UM, THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL, UM, COMMUNITY NEXT DOOR TO THIS, THIS AREA.

UM, I'VE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT WHO HAS A COUPLE OTHER GAS STATIONS AROUND THE CITY, UM, ON SOME THINGS THAT HE CAN IMPROVE THERE, UM, AND ALSO, UM, GETTING SUPPORT, ASKING HIM TO GET SOME SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS AROUND HIM BEFORE HE COMES BACK TO THE BODY.

UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HOPE TO HAVE AT LEAST A SMALL COMMUNITY MEETING OR HAVE SOME SUPPORT FROM RESIDENCES FOR HIM OR FOR THIS, THIS PROJECT.

UM, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UH, IN SEPTEMBER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

NOW MOVE TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTENT OF I OF CASES 21 THROUGH 32.

YOU OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL

[SUBDIVISION DOCKET - Consent Items]

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE CASES? 21 THROUGH 32.

WHICH CASE? 21.

21.

IT, IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

OH.

IT'LL GO IN ONE MOTION WITH ALL THE OTHERS, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK ON IT.

OKAY, WELL, I WON'T, YOU

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ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK, BUT IT, IT'S GONNA, IT'S UP TO YOU.

WE CAN PULL IT OFF IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO.

OKAY, LET'S TAKE IT OFF.

SO, SO WE'LL VOTE ON THE OTHERS FIRST AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU, SIR.

SO WE'LL GO 22 TO 32 COMMISSIONERS.

22 TO 32.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY CASE, ANY OF THOSE CASES? 22 THROUGH 32 COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THOSE CASES? COMMISSIONER HAT, UH, MR. ONE QUESTION, UM, ITEM 30 S 2 34 DASH 16, IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE IS A CONDITION IN STAFF'S REPORT THAT SOUTH HALL STREET BE CORRECTED TO SOUTH HILL STREET? YES, IT'S IN A, IT'S, IT'S IN A CONDITION.

AND THEN THIS IS PART OF PD 10 0 2 THAT HAS TRAIL FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THIS SITE IS LOCATED ALONG THE TRAIL.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, CAN I, CAN YOU READ THAT AGAIN? THERE'S, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE FRONTING ALONG THE SANTA FE TRAIL.

, IT'S, UM, CALLED OUT AS THE DART LINE ON THE PLA MAP, BUT THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT IS REVIEWED AT PERMITTING PER THE PD REQUIREMENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK IT GOES IN THE PERMITTING TIME, YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, VICE RUBIN? WE HAVE A MOTION.

22 TO 32 TO THE RECORD.

OH, PARDON ME, I'M SORRY.

I'M, UH, UH, I'M ON THE FAST LANE.

WE NEED TO READ THEM IN.

ITEM 22 S 2 3 4 S 1 49.

ITEM 23 S 2 3 4 DASH ONE 50.

ITEM 24 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 51.

ITEM 25 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 53.

ITEM 26 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 55.

ITEM 27 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 57.

ITEM 28 S 2 34 DASH 1 58, ITEM 29 S 2 34 DASH 1 59, ITEM 30 S 2 34 DASH ONE 60, ITEM 31 S 2 34 DASH 1 62, ITEM 32 S 2 34 DASH 1 63.

ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE ITEMS? OKAY, MR. RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES, IN THE MATTER OF THE SUBJECT DIVISION CONSENT, UH, DOCKET CONSISTING ITEMS 22 TO 32, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOWS, UM, SAS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS IN THE DOCKET OR IS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU MR. RU FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HAN AND FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS, DISCUSSIONS, SEE AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

WE'LL GO BACK TO 21.

CAN WE GET THAT RIGHT IN PLEASE? JUST REAL QUICK.

UM, AGAIN, JAMES ARMSTRONG, I'M SORRY, SHE'S, SHE'S GONNA READ IT IN.

OH MY APOLOGIES.

ITEM

[21. 24-2387 An application to replat a 0.854-acre tract of land containing all of Common Area A and Lot 1 in City Block 16/7135 to create one 0.346-acre lot, one 0.436-acre lot and one Common Area on property located on Singleton Boulevard at Normandy Brook Road, northeast corner.]

21 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 48.

AN APPLICATION TO REPLY, A 0.854 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF COMMON AREA E AND LOT ONE IN CITY BLOCK 16 OVER 7 1 3 5 TO CREATE ONE 0.346 ACRE LOT, ONE 0.436 ACRE LOT AND ONE COMMON AREA ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON SINGLETON BOULEVARD AT NORMANDY BROOK ROAD, NORTHEAST CORNER.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION, OH NO STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE IN THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

WE'RE READY FOR YOU, SIR.

JAMES ARMSTRONG, PRESIDENT, CEO OF BUILDERS OF HOPE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

UM, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE HISTORY.

UM, THIS, THIS SITE WILL HAVE TEXAS'S FIRST HOMESTEAD PRESERVATION CENTER.

IN ADDITION TO OUR ROBUST HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ARM, WE HAVE BEEN TAPPED TO TACKLE DISPLACEMENT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UM, WE'LL BE RELEASING THAT REPORT HERE THIS FALL AND THIS FACILITY WILL BE OUR OFFICE AS WELL AS WHAT WE CALL THE HOMESTEAD PRESERVATION CENTER.

UM, JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WE RELEASED A PROGRAM THAT HELPED PAYS RESIDENTS PROPERTY TAXES IN WEST DALLAS, ALSO PROVIDE AIRSHIP ISSUES, EXEMPTIONS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH PRESERVING HOMEOWNERS.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT THIS FACILITY WILL BE.

IT'S WITHIN A 18 ACRE DEVELOPMENT, UM, DEVELOPED BY GREENLEAF VENTURES THAT INCLUDES BOTH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.

WE'LL ALSO BE BUILDING OUR FIRST MIXED INCOME MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. ARMSTRONG.

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COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF S 2 34 DASH 48, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCK.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND VICE CHAIR WOOTEN FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

WE GO TO

[33. 24-2400 An application to replat a 8.735-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 1 City Block G/6928 and tract of land on City Block 3/6929 to create one lot on property located on Camp Wisdom Road at Bainbridge Drive, southwest corner.]

NUMBER 33.

ITEM 33 S 2 34 DASH 1 52.

AN APPLICATION TO REPLY TO.

8.735 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT ONE AND CITY BLOCK G OVER 6 9 2 8 AND TRACK OF LAND ON CITY BLOCK SIX THREE OVER 6 9 2 9 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY.

LOCATED ON CAMP WISDOM ROAD AT BAINBRIDGE DRIVE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

54 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 22ND, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

ADD AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.

MR. LEWIS, IS HE ONLINE? HIS FIRST NAME IS JUSTIN.

JUSTIN? YES SIR.

IS THAT YOU MR. LEWIS? UH, MR. LEWIS, ARE YOU ONLINE, SIR? I DON'T SEE HIM ONLINE.

OH, OKAY.

THEN HE IS ON A LINE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.

ITEM 34 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 54.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF S3 4 1 52? I MOVED.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO THE A PLANS TO WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? AYE HAVE IT 34

[34. 24-2401 An application to replat a 0.675-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 27 in City Block D/5312 to create two 0.338-acre (14,719.5-square foot) lot each on property located between San Saba Drive and Old Gate Lane, east of Diceman Drive.]

AN APPLICATION TO REPLY TO 0.675 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 27 IN CITY BLOCK D OVER 5 3 1 12 TO CREATE TWO 0.38 ACRE.

THAT IS 14719.5 SQUARE FOOT LOT EACH ON PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN SENSOR DRIVE AND OLD GATLIN EAST OF DEMAN DRIVE.

19.

NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY ORDERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 22ND, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND FOUR REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND ARE AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

REPLANTING, A SIX AC ACRE SECTION, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL CASTELLANO ESTATE INTO 12 TO 15 PROPERTIES AND 1523 SAN SABA AS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL KALINA ESTATES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE STAYING WITH US ALL DAY.

YES, IT WAS A LESSON IMPATIENCE, SIR ? YES.

UH, ROBERT SWAYZE, 1 9 9 RIDGEMONT HEATH, TEXAS 7 5 1 2 6.

UH, I AM THE APPLICANT OWNER WITH MY WIFE MARY LYNN OF 1523 SAN SABA.

1523.

SAN SABA IS A UNIQUE, UH, FOR THIS AREA.

IT'S GOT A HUNDRED FOOT OF FRONTAGE ON BOTH SAN SABA AND ON OLD GATE.

THE PROPERTY IS BISECTED BY A CREEK, WHICH EFFECTIVELY CREATES TWO LOTS THAT ARE AND HAVE BEEN A SEPARATE, THE ONLY ACCESS FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH FRONTS SAN SABA TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH FRONTS OLD GATE IS BY A BRIDGE OVER A CREEK.

UH, THE PROPERTIES SOUTH OF 1523 SAN SABA RECEIVE SOME OF THEIR UTILITIES AND CITY SERVICES LIKE TRASH SERVICE ON OLD GATE WHILE THE HOMES NORTH OF SAN SABA RECEIVE SOME OF THEIR CITY, UH, UTILITIES AND SERVICES LIKE TRASH PICKUP FROM SAN SABA.

OUR PROPERTY, FOR INSTANCE, GETS ITS GAS AND WATER FROM SAN SABA AND ITS ELECTRICITY FROM OLD GATE.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF OUR PROPERTY.

THIS COMMISSION RECENTLY APPROVED EVERY PLANTING OF FIVE PROPERTIES INTO SEVEN PROPERTIES WHERE ONCE STOOD A CHURCH AND THEN A SCHOOL, AND NOW HOMES ARE BEING BUILT ON THOSE REPLANTED LOTS.

ALSO RECENTLY THERE WAS A APPROVAL BY THIS COMMISSION OF

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I ONLY BRING THIS UP TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS SOME ENTHUSIASM FOR CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA WHERE IT MEETS THE CITY'S R 10 REQUIREMENT, WHICH OUR PROPOSAL DOES MEET.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR PROPOSAL.

I'LL BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? YES MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WELL.

DEFINITELY.

HELLO, LISA CONAWAY.

I LIVE AT 1527 SAM SABA, JUST ONE HOUSE SOUTH OF THE, UM, PROPOSED, UM, REPL.

SO ACCORDING TO THE CITY CODE SECTION FIVE ONE A DASH 8.503, UM, LOTS MUST CONFORM WITHIN WIDTH DEPTH AND AREA TO THE, THE PATTERN THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE, UH, ADJACENT AREAS HAVING DUE REGARD TO THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.

ITS PARTICULAR SUITABILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE GROUND DRAINAGE, WASTEWATER AND PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE STREET.

SO BASICALLY, IN MY OPINION, IT'S TO DIVIDE THIS LOT IS PROHIBITED BY OUR, IT'S PROHIBITED BY OUR CASTLE LINDA D RESTRICTIONS, SECTION ONE STABILIZATION OVERLAY.

THIS IS THE SECOND ATTEMPT IN SEVERAL YEARS, SEVERAL YEARS BACK, THEY WERE GOING TO TRY AND DO A REPL, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN.

THEY WERE ALSO DENIED A VARIANCE IN RECENT YEARS.

UM, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT THE OWNER MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO USE THAT AS A BASIS TO DIVIDE THIS LOT, BASICALLY THEY HAVE DEEMED OR YOUR COMMISSION DEEMED THAT THAT, UM, THAT NUDE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S DOWN ON THE CORNER IS NOT PART OF S LINDA STATES.

IT IS.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN S LINDA STATES.

WELL, THIS HOUSE IS IN S LINDA STATES, SO IT SHOULD FALL UNDER OUR DE OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND FROM OUR INFORMATION IN OUR, IN OUR DEED, UM, DEED.

UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT AND I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY FOR EVERYBODY, SO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

IF I MAY, VERY BRIEFLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE BODY THAT THE PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS WHO I ASSUME SHE'S REFERRING TO OR NOT ENFORCEABLE BY THE CITY, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

HI, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING IN, UM, OF YOUR TIME AND HEARING ALL OF US ALL DAY LONG.

UM, MY NAME IS DALTON NER.

I'VE BEEN DOWN HERE A FEW TIMES RECENTLY.

I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF, UH, THE CASSELLA ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION OPPOSE THIS REPL.

CASSELLA ESTATES IS INCREASINGLY BEING SOUGHT AFTER BY DEVELOPERS FOR RELAS.

NEW HOMES ARE BEING ERECTED.

UH, THE THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE BEING ERECTED ARE UPWARDS OF 5,000 TO 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

THIS OCCURS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE LOSS OF OUR LARGE CANOPY TREES, PROVIDING SHADE, DECREASED TEMPERATURES, WATER ABSORPTION, EROSION CONTROL, AND BEAUTIFICATION.

THIS SATURDAY, THE CITY OF DALLAS, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NATIONAL NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION AND THE TEXAS TREES FOUNDATION IS PARTICIPATING IN THE CITY URBAN HEAT ISLAND STUDY.

THIS IS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TEXAS TREES FOUNDATION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT TREES HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON OUR CITY TEMPERATURES REGULARLY REDUCING THE TEMPERATURE BY ROUGHLY 10 DEGREES.

CASA LINDA ESTATES IS A PARK-LIKE HEAVILY TREE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OUR LARGE LOTS SIT ON WINDING CURVED ROADS, LACKING SIDEWALKS AND UTILIZING CREEKS AND DRAINAGE DITCHES TO COLLECT AND MOVE THE WATER FROM INCREASING FLASH FLOODING.

WE AS A CITY FACE FROM RAINFALL FROM THESE LARGER STORMS RESULTING FROM THESE HIGHER TEMPERATURES.

GRANTING THIS REPL SETS FURTHER PRECEDENT FOR OUR, FOR MORE RELAS, ALLOWING FOR MORE COVERAGE OF OUR GREEN SPACE WITH MORE AND MORE NONPERMEABLE SURFACES AND FURTHER AND FURTHER ELIMINATION OF OUR CANOPY TREES.

UM, I'M SORRY THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS ALREADY STEPPED OUT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO QUOTE HER EARLIER.

SHE MENTIONED IN A PRIOR, UM, UH, OH, ON ONE OF YOUR PRIOR CASES, SHE SAID, MAMA ALWAYS SAID WHEN WE KNOW BETTER, WE DO BETTER.

YOU GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.

THE RECENT, UH, WE DID NOT GET DENIED ANY REPL.

UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH,

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WE DIDN'T APPLY FOR A REPL.

THIS WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.

WE APPLIED TO EXPAND THE 1600 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AT 1520 3 CENTS SABA, WHICH WOULD'VE REQUIRED US TO GET ABOUT A THREE FOOT, UH, ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SIDE SETBACK.

SO WE NEEDED TO GET A VARIANCE FOR THAT.

WE WERE OPPOSING THE VARIANCE AND WE DECIDED NOT TO GO THROUGH WITH IT.

AND SINCE THEN, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN A RENTAL HOUSE.

UH, I BROUGHT UP THE UNIQUE NATURE OF 1520 3 CENTS, SABA, BECAUSE I DOUBT THERE'S REALLY A PRECEDENT HERE BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY LOTS WHERE YOU COULD REALLY EVEN REPL BY HAVING ACCESS TO TWO DIFFERENT STREETS, OLD GATE AND SAN SABA.

ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE PRETTY MUCH SELF-CONTAINED AND THE ONES SOUTH OF US, THE WAY THE CREEK RUNS, THEY COULDN'T GET A A BUILDING SITE THERE IF THEY WANTED TO.

ANYWAY, SO THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

HI, I'M MARY LYNN SWAYZE, AND I WASN'T EXPECTING TO SPEAK, BUT I JUST WANNA ASSURE YOU, I'M, I'M SORRY, MA'AM.

THE, THE TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK HAS ALREADY PASSED.

OH, NO.

THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU COMMISSIONERS.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

IN LOOKING AT THE, UM, ARIEL AND OUR DOCKET 30 4G, IT APPEARS THAT, UM, SAN SEVEN OLD GATE, THAT THAT BLOCK ARE ALL ESSENTIALLY CONTINUOUS LOTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO DYSON, YOU'VE GOT THE CORNER CONDITION THAT VARIES A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S A PRETTY CONSISTENT PATTERN JUST ALONG THAT BLOCK FACE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS READING THAT CORRECTLY.

FALSE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER SLEEPER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.

IN CASE NUMBER S 2 34 DASH 1 54 I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE.

THIS ITEM IS SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SLEEPER FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER, TURN ON FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER, SLEEP? ANY COMMENTS? NO.

UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION IN LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT OF THIS AREA, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO MANY OF OUR OLDER, UM, AREAS AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE DEVELOPED BLOCKS SOMETIMES HAVE DIFFERENT CHARACTER, BUT THE CHARACTER ALONG THIS BLOCK FACE IS CONSISTENT AND IN MY OPINION, DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD OF 8.503.

UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.

UM, I WANT TO, UH, THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MOTION.

UM, IN MY OPINION, 8.503 IS WHOLLY IRRELEVANT HERE.

THE FRONTAGE WILL REMAIN THE SAME, UH, ON BOTH STREETS.

UM, THIS IS A, AN INSTANCE WHERE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO USE OUR LAND IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UM, EVEN IF IT'S A FIVE OR 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, UH, THOSE HOMES ARE BEING BUILT ON LOTS, HALF THIS SIZE IN THE CITY.

SO, UM, I, UM, IF I HAD A MAGIC WAND, 8.503 WOULD BE STRUCK FROM OUR ORDINANCE, SO THANK YOU.

NICE .

YEAH, I'M GONNA FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE ON THIS ONE.

UM, I DON'T THINK I CAN CALL 8.503 IRRELEVANT.

IN MANY CASES, IT IS PART OF OUR CITY CODE WHETHER WE SHOULD REVISIT IT AS A SEPARATE QUESTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IN, IN READING 8.503 IS IT DOESN'T JUST STOP SAYING, TALKING ABOUT THE WIDTH, DEPTH AND, UM, LOT AREA, BUT IT GOES ON TO SAY GIVING DUE REGARD TO THE CHARACTER AREA.

ITS PARTICULAR SUITABILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF THE GROUND, DRAINAGE, WASTEWATER FACILITIES, AND THE PROPOSED LAYOUTS OF THE STREETS.

AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS BISECTED BY, UM, THIS, THIS CREEK, I THINK WEIGH WEIGHS HEAVILY IN MY CONSIDERATION ON UNDER 8.503 HERE.

SO I AM COMFORTABLE APPROVING AND ASSUMING THAT THERE EVEN IS A PATTERN, AND I THINK IT'S A VERY CLOSE CALL ON WHETHER THERE IS A PATTERN CONSIDERING THIS IS KIND OF IN A AREA WHERE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS TRANSITION, OBVIOUSLY NO,

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NO CASE SETS PRECEDENT FOR ANY OTHERS, BUT WE'VE HAD OTHER PLATTING CASES IN THESE AREAS WHERE WE'VE REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THE QUESTION OF A PATTERN AND I, I STRUGGLE WITH THAT ONE HERE TOO, GIVEN THIS THIS SITE.

SO I, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? IT'S LATE.

I'M GONNA PILE ON.

NEVERTHELESS.

UM, I WOULD NOTE THAT THERE ARE HOMES FRONTING SAN SABA AND DEMAN AND IT, IT JUST FLIP FLOPS BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, SO THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

ONE IN OPPOSITION.

MOTION PASSES.

WE'LL

[35. 24-2402 An application to replat a 31.543-acre tract of land containing all of Lot 1 in City Block A/7880 to create one lot on property located between Old Seagoville Road and Grady Lane, east of St. Augustine Drive.]

GO TO 35.

ITEM 35 S 2 34 DASH 1 56.

AN APPLICATION TO REPLY AT 31.543 ACRE TRACK OF LAND, CONTINUING ALL OF LOT ONE IN CITY BLOCKS, A OVER 7, 8, 8 0 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN OLD VILLE ROAD AND GRADY LANE, EAST OF SUN ST.

AUGUSTINE DRIVE.

64 NOTICES WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF PROPERTY ON JULY 22ND, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED YOUR REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLYING OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

ALRIGHT, I DON'T THINK MS. MS. LENAHAN IS HERE ANYMORE AND OUR, OUR ROOM IS EMPTY AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE ONLINE EITHER.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE, CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, SIR.

IN THE MATTER OF S 2 3 4 1 56, I MOVE TO CLOSE OF PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION CHAIR.

I'LL SECOND IT.

ANY DISCUSSIONS SAYING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY.

THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM 36

S 2 34 DASH 1 61.

AN APPLICATION TO REPLAT, A 0.780 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT TWO A IN CITY BLOCK THREE OVER 5 0 8 1 8 TO CREATE THREE LOT SHADE ACCESS DEVELOPMENT WITH 7, 5, 0, 0 SQUARE FOOT, FEET EACH LOT AND ONE COMMON AREA AND PROPERTY LOCATED ON EASTER AVENUE SOUTH OF FORT HAM ROAD.

31.

NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 22ND, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED JURY REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY TO THE OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS THE, THE CASE WHERE WE NEED IT AT AN INTERPRETER.

IS MR. SENDING ONLINE? HE'S NOT, NO.

HOW ABOUT, UH, MS. SYLVIA? MARIA? SILVIA, SHE'S ALSO NOT ONLINE.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.

C COMMISSIONER? YES, MY PARTNER.

JUST COMMISSIONER FORESITE? UH, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IT MEANS IN ONE COMMON AREA? WHAT IS THE COMMON AREA IN THIS CASE MEAN? THEY HAVE A SEPARATE LOT FOR THE COMMON AREA BESIDE THOSE THREE LOTS.

SO I, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMON LOT? WHY ISN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST TWO, UH, THREE LOTS INSTEAD OF, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, WHAT, WHAT COMMON AREA MEANS.

I'M JUST STARTING TO UNDERSTAND FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR THE FUTURE.

THEY ARE, THIS IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME.

THEY'RE UTILIZING FOR THE, THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT THEY'RE UTILIZING FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT AS A COMMON AREA, WHICH WILL BE MAINTAINED BY HOA.

COULD, COULD SOMEONE ELSE HELP PLEASE MS. UH, FOR INSTANCE, IT COULD BE OPEN SPACE, IT COULD BE A WALKING PATH.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S JUST, IT'S THE OPEN TO OPEN SPACE.

RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED ON, IT'LL BE DEVELOPED JUST AS AN OPEN SPACE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

AND THE PARKING IS ALSO LOCATED ON THAT AREA BECAUSE SHARED ACCESS REQUIREMENT REQUIRE PARKING AS WELL.

UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

WE NEVER STOP LEARNING WITH PLATS.

COMMISSIONER FORSIGHT.

WE'RE LEARNING EVERY, EVERY HEARING.

THESE ARE COMPLICATED THINGS.

AND JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, I THINK THE TWO PARKING SPACES ARE AS SHOWN ON THE PLAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER FORSYTH, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.

CHAIR IN CASE NUMBER S 2 34 DASH 1 61.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITHIN THE CONDITIONS WITH THE CONDITIONS

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LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FORSYTH FOR YOUR MOTION.

ADVISE CHAIRMAN ROOM FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEN NONE.

ITEM, ITEM 37 S 2 3 4 DASH 1 64.

A OPPOSED? AYE.

HAVE IT.

LAST

[37. 24-2404 An application to replat a 0.189-acre (8,245-square foot) tract of land containing portion of Lot 1 in City Block M/3363 to create one lot on property located on Madison Avenue at Ballard Avenue, west corner.]

AND APPLICATION TO REPLAT, A 0.189 ACRE.

THAT IS 8,245 SQUARE FOOT LOT SQUARE FOOT TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PORTION OF LOT ONE ON CITY BLOCK M OVER 3, 3, 6 3 TO CREATE ONE LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON MADISON AVENUE AT BALLARD AVENUE WEST.

WEST CORNER.

11.

NOTE 11 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JULY 22ND, 2024.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS HERE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER CHAR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES, I DO.

CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER S 2 3 4 1 6 4.

I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM, SUBJECT TO TWO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

A ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

ANYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ANY OF THE THREE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND APOLOGIES AS MY TURN BACK, UM, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE JUNE 20TH, 2024, UM, MINUTES AS DISTRIBUTED AND HOLD THE JUNE 17TH AND JUNE 25TH MINUTES UNDER ADVISEMENT.

UH, DID

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

VICE CHAIR RUBIN, FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? YOU NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, PLEASE SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

THANK YOU MR. RUBIN.

AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR.