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GOOD MORNING. IT IS AUGUST 26.
[Housing and Homelessness Solutions on August 26, 2024.]
THE TIME IS 9:04, AND THE HOUSING AND HOME SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. MOTION TO APPROVE.
SPEND A MOTION TO APPROVE, IS THERE A SECOND.
SPEND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE'LL START THIS OFF WITH BRIEFING ITEM B.
PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION OVERVIEW.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN MORENO, AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I'M CYNTHIA EXSON, DIRECTOR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.
WE WILL BE PRESENTING AN OVERVIEW OF THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, DPFC, THIS MORNING.
LET ME INTRODUCE WHO WE HAVE ON THE PANEL.
I HAVE NEXT TO ME, KEITH PALMACLL, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD FOR PFC.
NEXT TO HIM IS KEN MONTGOMERY, WHO IS VICE PRESIDENT ON THE BOARD.
I BELIEVE JIM PLUMER WILL BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
HE IS LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION.
TO START US OFF, I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHY WE'RE DOING THIS PRESENTATION.
WE'VE BEEN ASKED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS TO PLEASE COME BACK WITH AN UPDATE ON THE PFC SO THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHERE THE CORPORATION IS TODAY AND TO EVEN DISCUSS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE STATUS UPDATE OF THE FACILITY CORPORATION, AND WE ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THE CORPORATION, HOW IT FURTHER SUPPORTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS SOME REVENUES, BOTH THE GENERATED REVENUES AND THE REVENUES FOREGONE.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO ALSO TALK ABOUT UPCOMING NEXT STEPS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CORPORATION AS IT STANDS TODAY.
THIS IS JUST A LIST OF OUR SLIDES THAT WE'LL BE PRESENTING.
THEN WE'LL START WITH SLIDE 4 AND KEITH PALMACLL, WILL GET US STARTED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST OF ALL, COUNCIL MEMBER MARINO, COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON.
COUNCIL MEMBER WEST, AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND SPEAK BEFORE THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE.
THE PFC WAS AUTHORIZED BY CHAPTER 3/3 OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IN 19, THE PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION ACT.
THE DALLAS PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION WAS CREATED ON JUNE 24TH, 2020.
IT'S STILL A VERY YOUNG ORGANIZATION.
ACT SUMMARY AS UPDATED BY CHANGES IN 2023, THE PFC OWNS THE PROPERTY.
THE PFC MAY ONLY OPERATE IN A SPONSORS BOUNDARIES.
ANY PUBLIC FACILITY OWNED BY A PFC IS EXEMPT FROM ALL PROPERTY TAXES.
ELIGIBLE PRODUCTS ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION, CONVERSION FROM NON MULTIFAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY AND PURCHASE OF OCCUPIED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THE PRIMARILY, IT'S USED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MIXED INCOME WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, 10% OF THE UNITS RESERVED FOR FAMILIES AT OR BELOW 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, 40% OF THE UNITS RESERVED FOR FAMILIES AT OR BELOW 80% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME, AND 50% OF THE UNITS AT MARKET RATE ABOVE 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
THE DALLAS PUBLIX ON PAGE SLIDE 5, THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL APPOINTS A 15 MEMBER BOARD.
ONE BOARD MEMBER FROM EACH CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT APPOINTED BY THE DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBER, AND ONE AT LARGE BOARD MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.
THE BOARD MEMBERS SERVE A SIX YEAR TERM AND UP TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AND JUST AS A NOTE ON THIS, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION IN OUR GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE TO MATCH WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TERM LENGTH.
HERE TODAY IS OUR BOARD, VICE PRESIDENT KEN MONTGOMERY, WHO ALSO SERVES AS CHAIR OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS REVIEWING THE BY LAWS.
OF COURSE, AFTER WE MAKE ANY OF THESE CHANGES IN THE BY LOGS, IT WILL COME BACK BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND THEN TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
BOARD MANAGES THE PROPERTY AND AFFAIRS OF THE DPFC.
BRACE LLP IS USED FOR ALL LEGAL SERVICES, INCLUDING CLOSINGS.
JIM PLUMER, WHO I BELIEVE, IF HE HASN'T JOINED YET, WILL BE JOINING US HERE SHORTLY TO TALK MORE ABOUT BRACE'S ROLE WITH US.
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TOP CT SECURITIES INC IS USED FOR ALL PROJECT EVALUATION, INCLUDING UNDERWRITING AND FINANCIAL REVIEW, BROWN GRAHAM AND COMPANY, PC, FOR ALL ACCOUNTING SERVICES.THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION HOUSING PROVIDES THREE STAFF MEMBERS.
THERE ARE REIMBURSED POSITIONS TO ASSIST THE BOARD IN ADMINISTERING THE CORPORATION.
AND ON SLIDE 6, A PFC PROJECTS ARE UNDERWRITTEN TO DETERMINE REASONABLENESS AND FEASIBILITY AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION.
THIS PREVENTS OVER SUBSIDIZING AND ENSURES THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE CAPACITY TO COMPLETE PROJECTS.
REVIEWS INCLUDE AT A MINIMUM, FINANCIALS, EXPERIENCE, PARTNERSHIPS, AND SOURCES OF FUNDING.
THE GOALS OF THE PFC AND THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ARE DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE THE FOLLOWING.
TRY TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION AT THE PROPERTY.
I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO SUGGEST TO THE CHAIR, WE DON'T REALLY NEED YOU TO READ IT.
WE APPRECIATE IT, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT UNLESS MY COLLEAGUES OBJECT.
VERY GOOD. THEN I'LL GO ON TO THE BACKGROUND.
AND YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PRE APPLICATION? TO THE APPROVAL, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION AND THE MONITORING, PROJECTS.
I WILL DO A FEW HIGHLIGHTS ON THIS THAT I BELIEVE ARE IMPORTANT.
THE FIRST PROJECT CLOSED JUNE 29TH, 2022, STILL A YOUNG ORGANIZATION, AS YOU CAN SEE.
WE HAVE SEVEN PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, TOTAL PROJECT COST $689,000,000.
AVERAGE PROJECT SIZE, 250 UNITS, TOTAL NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS, 10518.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR COMPLETED BY CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT.
JUST AS A NOTE, DISTRICT ONE HAS FOUR PROJECTS THE MOST, AND DISTRICT SIX HAS THREE PROJECTS.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND THE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND MARKET RATE UNITS DISTRIBUTED BY CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT.
THE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND MARKET RATE UNITS ARE BASICALLY EVENLY DISTRIBUTED IN EACH DISTRICT.
TOTAL PROJECT ONE THING WE WANTED TO SHOW ON HERE THAT IS NOT SHOWN IS THAT GOING BACK TO THE BALANCE SHEET, THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS $689,000,000, AND THIS CHART HERE SHOWS OUR FISCAL YEAR 2023, AND AS OF 53124, OUR REVENUE AND EXPENSES.
MOVING ON TO SLIDE 12, POTENTIAL REVENUE USES.
EXPENDITURES TO DATE HAVE BEEN FOR ADMINISTRATIVE USE ONLY.
REVENUES INCLUDE APPLICATION FEES, DEVELOPMENT FEES, AND LEASE FEES AND ONE ITEM I THINK YOU A FIND OF INTEREST IS POTENTIAL AND POSSIBLE FUTURE USES OR ALL THINGS THAT HOUSING THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED ARE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD.
I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT AS MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE LIMITED BY OUR BAR LAWS AS TO WHAT WE CAN USE OUR REVENUE FOR.
AT PAST MEETINGS, WE HAVE BRAINSTORMED AND HAVE HAD A WIDE VARIETY OF SUGGESTIONS FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
THEY INCLUDED ITEMS SUCH AS SINGLE FAMILY HOME REPAIRS, HOME OWNERSHIP ASSISTANCE, A VARIETY OF OTHER ITEMS. AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THIS LIST, OF COURSE, WITH THE CHANGE IN OUR BY LAWS, WE WILL BRING IT BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND THEN OF COURSE, TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND REVIEW.
PROPERTY TAX ON SLIDE 13, LET'S SEE AS MR. PLUMBER JOINED US.
WELL, WHEN HE JOINED US, WE'LL DO A DEEPER DIVE INTO THESE TWO SLIDES, IN GENERAL, WITHOUT PFC ASSISTANCE, IN THIS TIME OF INCREASING CONSTRUCTION COST AND HIGH INTEREST RATES, THESE PROJECTS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
CITIZENS FROM ACROSS DALLAS WILL NOT HAVE THESE UNITS TO CALL HOME.
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IT'S EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY, AND WE BELIEVE THIS SHOW THAT'S GOOD FOR OUR FELLOW CITIZENS OF DALLAS.SHOWING THOUGH WE DO GIVE A TAX ABATEMENT, YOU CAN SEE OVER THE 60 YEARS OF RENTAL SAVINGS, THAT THIS IS A BENEFIT FOR THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS INSOFAR AS THE RENT SAVINGS THAT WE ARE PROVIDING, EACH OF OUR CITIZENS OR THE ONES THAT ARE LIVING ON THOSE PROJECTS.
ON PAGE 14. ONE PROJECT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS SO MUCH IS THE PARK AT NORTH POINTER.
YOU NOTICE IT DOES DID HAVE A SOMEWHAT OF A HIGH TAX VALUE FOR THE TEN YEARS.
THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO DEMOLISH.
IT IS BEING DEMOLISHED, AND IT'S GOING QUITE WELL.
BUT THAT SHOWS THAT THERE WAS A BUILDING, IT WAS A PROPERTY THAT REALLY HAD NO GOOD PUBLIC USE OTHER THAN BEING A VACANT BUILDING, THAT IT WAS ATTRACTING HOMELESS AND CRIME LIVING IN IT AND SO WE THINK THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE TO SHOW THAT THAT DANGEROUS BUILDING, WE'RE NOT FOR THE PSC.
INTERVENTION WOULD STILL BE THERE.
THERE WERE SOME ISSUES IN THE TEARING IT DOWN AND OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S ALL IT'S GOING WELL RIGHT NOW, THE DEMOLITION CONTINUES.
AND JUST FOR REFERENCE, THAT'S THE 9999 TECHNOLOGY PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN IN THE PAPER? YES. AND THEN CYNTHIA, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO GO OVER SLIDE 15.
SO WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMPARISON BETWEEN WHAT THE EXEMPTION AND THE RENT SAVINGS, WHAT THE BENEFITS FOR PFC OFFERS COMPARED TO OUR OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER IN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
THIS FIRST SLIDE IS NEW DEVELOPMENT COMPARISON.
WHAT WE SHOW HERE IS FUNDING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
THIS IS REVENUES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM MIHDB F IN LU.
AND NOFA FUNDS, AND HOW WE HAVE REUSED THOSE DOLLARS AND PUT IN SUBSIDY AMOUNTS BY INCOME LIMITS.
ZERO TO 30%, YOU CAN SEE THAT PFC HAS ZERO AND UNDER HOUSING PROGRAMS, WE HAVE ABOUT 50,000 PER UNIT.
THE REASON THAT PFC HAS ZERO IS BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY DO NOT SERVE PEOPLE AT THIS INCOME LEVEL, BELOW 31% AMI.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE LINES, YOU CAN SEE THE COMPARISON, 31 TO 50%, PFC HAS 7000309 IN COMPARISON BECAUSE THEY'VE ONLY HAD ASSISTANCE FOR TWO PROPERTIES AT THIS INCOME LEVEL, AND SO THE AVERAGE ACROSS THERE IS JUST TWO PROPERTIES DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF UNITS PROVIDED SO THE SUBSIDY IS QUITE LARGE, BUT ALSO AS WE PROVIDE ASSISTANCE, TYPICALLY, THE LOWER INCOME WE SERVE, THE HIGHER THE THE SUBSIDY AMOUNT WOULD HAVE TO BE.
THE NEXT SLIDE 16 IS A COMPARISON OF THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, AVERAGE COST BY UNIT COMPARED TO OUR HOME REPAIR PROGRAMS, AND WE'VE LISTED ALL OF THE HOME REPAIR PROGRAMS. AS WE HAVE COME TO YOU AND MADE CHANGES UNDER HOME REPAIR, WE WILL NO LONGER DO RECONSTRUCTION, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE PROVIDED PER UNIT, AND WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE THAT PROGRAM TO OFFER, BUT THE OTHERS ARE STILL IN OPERATION, AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE COMPARISONS ACROSS THE LINES AND INCOME LEVELS.
NOW ON THE PAGE 17, COST BENEFIT.
THE BENEFITS FOR USING THE DPFC, ARE MANY, INCLUDING THE TAX EXEMPTION, AFFORDABILITY EXEMPTION IS GUARANTEED FOR 40 YEARS AND UP TO 75 YEARS WHILE THE NOFA IS 20-30 YEARS, NO CASH AT OF CITY BUDGETS, AND THEN A FEW CONS, DP AFFORDABILITY BELOW 50% AMI, EXEMPTION TO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, INCLUDING MARKET RATES UP TO 75 YEARS.
WHAT WE ARE DOING AS A BOARD AT THE PFC IS CONTINUING TO DO WHAT WE DO TODAY AND THAT'S ELEVATE TRANSPARENCY, STRENGTHEN MONITORING, ENHANCE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, EXPAND MARKETING.
WE ARE WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE PROJECTS THAT
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WE'RE WORKING ON THE CITIZENS SO THEY CAN ACCESS IT DIRECTLY, WE ARE WORKING ON A WEBSITE.AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND AND CREATE AND OR PRESERVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE FUTURE USES FOR CASH, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THROUGH A CHANGE IN OUR BY LAWS, AND THOSE CHANGES, AS MENTIONED, WOULD BE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND THEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW.
>> WE DO HAVE AN APPENDIX AT THE BACK, WHICH I KNOW ALL CAN LOOK AT YOUR LEISURE THAT SHOWS THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SOME PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CALLS RECEIVED, AND THEN A LIST OF OUR PROPERTIES.
>> WITH THAT, WE'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'M GOING TO START TO MY RIGHT WITH CHAIR WEST.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE COMMITTEE.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR PROBABLY A YEAR.
I KNOW IT TOOK STAFF A WHILE THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I APPRECIATE THIS IS REALLY EYE OPENING IN A LOT OF WAYS, CYNTHIA, AND TO OUR HARD WORK AND PFC BOARD.
I THINK THE STARTING OFF WITHOUT EVEN GOING INTO THE DATA YET.
THE THING THAT THIS REALLY REVEALED TO ME IS THAT THE PFC PROGRAM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, IT'S REALLY MEANT TO ADDRESS THAT 61% AND ABOVE AMI LEVELS.
AS WE GET DOWN TO WHERE THE REAL NEED IS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, IN THE 30%-60%, WE'VE GOT TO FIND OTHER TOOLS FOR THAT. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> YES, SIR. THIS PROGRAM WAS DESIGNED TO BE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT IS 61%.
ALL THE WAY UP TO 120%, IN OUR VIEW AS AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, THIS OFFERS A MIXED INCOME OPPORTUNITY SO THAT WE CAN SPREAD SOME OF THAT COST ACROSS THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
>> I KNOW THAT WE SOMETIMES AT THE HORSESHOE AND I'M GUILTY OF THIS AS WELL, GET CAUGHT UP IN THIS FOCUS ON THE 30-60% AMI BECAUSE THE CPL NUMBER WAS SO GLARING STILL IS THAT WE'RE SO FOCUSED ON THAT, WE FORGET THAT WE CANNOT LET THESE OTHER AMI CATEGORIES SLIP AND GET WORSE AS WELL.
I'M VERY GLAD WE HAVE THE LEADERS WE DO UP HERE.
I MADE A MISTAKE AND HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR THE NUMBERS TO BE COMPARED TO THE DALLAS HOUSING OPPORTUNITY FUND.
THAT SOME OF THIS DATA ENDED UP THE WAY IT DID.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMPARISON TO THE OPPORTUNITY FUND, WHICH IS A COMPARISON TO THE UNIT COSTS FOR THE NEW TREK AND LISK INSPIRED HOUSING.
>> WE DO NOT HAVE THAT TODAY, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT.
WE'LL REACH OUT TO TREK AND ECO MANAGES THAT PROGRAM WITH TREK, SO WE'LL REACH OUT TO BOTH PARTIES AND GET THAT INFORMATION.
WE'LL DO A COMPARISON CHART FOR YOU WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
RIGHT NOW, CPAS 2023 RENTAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT REALLY APPEARS TO CONTAIN THE BEST DATA WE HAVE AS A CITY TO GUIDE US IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOLS.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, CYNTHIA?
>> I AGREE THAT IS THE BEST DATA THAT WE HAVE TO DATE.
AS WE HAVE MENTIONED, WE WILL BE HAVING AN UPCOMING PRESENTATION TO YOU WITH HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT'LL GIVE US HOUSING NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY, NOT JUST PARTICULAR INCOME LEVELS, AND WE'LL HAVE BETTER DATA THAT WE CAN USE FOR THAT.
BUT YES, THE CPL DATA IS THE BEST DATA THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR THOSE INCOME LEVELS THAT ARE BELOW THAT WE SERVE HERE IN THE BFC.
>> GOT YOU. I ACTUALLY BROUGHT COPIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THEM HANDY AND YOU CAN BRING THEM UP OR NOT, BUT I DID BRING COPIES OF THE SLIDES FROM CPLS, RECENT REPORT THAT WAS PUBLISHED BACK IN 2023.
THIS INDICATES THAT THERE IS A SUPPLY.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING OKAY ON SUPPLY FOR 60% AND ABOVE.
BUT IF WE DID NOTHING ELSE AS OF THE DATE OF THIS REPORT, WE WOULD SEE A MASSIVE GAP, AND THIS IS ON THE SECOND PAGE COLLEAGUES IN 2030 IN THE 60%, 80% AMI CATEGORIES.
IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, CYNTHIA?
>> LET ME HAVE THOR COME UP BECAUSE HE IS MORE FAMILIAR
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WITH THE CPL DATA AT THAT GRANULAR LEVEL. THANK YOU.>> GOOD MORNING, THOR AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING. YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE FROM THE CPL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR RENTAL.
THERE IS A KNOWN GAP AT THE LOWER AMI GROUPS.
>> I THINK I'M GOOD FOR THIS ROUND.
IF THE CHAIR GIVES US ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, I'LL STEP BACK UP. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US.
I'M LOOKING ON PAGE 15 WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF BENEFIT BECAUSE IT SAYS NO CASH OUT OF CITY BUDGET, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOSS OF TAX REVENUE.
I KNOW THAT IN DIFFERENT SILOS, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS CAN BE BECAUSE WE'RE ON ONE SIDE OF THE FENCE, LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAM TO ADD UNITS, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'RE LOOKING AT CITY WIDE NEEDS AND WHAT A FAMILY BEING EVICTED MEANS AND HOW IT COSTS THE CITY IN SOME WAYS.
I TAKE ISSUE ON 15 BULLET 3, WHERE THERE IS AN IMPACT.
WE DO LOSE TAX REVENUE, BUT THEN WHAT'S THE OFFSET? UNDERSTANDING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, I THINK WOULD HELP.
I BET THOSE NUMBERS ARE WITHIN THIS BUILDING.
I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE THESE ACCOMPANY EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VALUE IS OF THAT.
ALONG THAT SAME LINE, I WOULD SAY, WE LOOK AT SOMETIMES YOU GET THE STICKER SHOCK OF THE 75 YEARS, THESE TERM LENGTHS.
WHAT ARE THESE TERM LENGTHS DRIVEN BY 75 YEAR AGREEMENTS, ETC? THEN ALSO, WHEN CAN WE EXIT A DEAL? WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO STAY IN FOR 75 YEARS. SOMEONE CAN ADD DEPTH.
>> KEN MONTGOMERY, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PFC BOARD.
HOUSE BILL 2071, WHICH WAS THE REFORM FOR PFCS, ACTED AS A LINE OF DEMARCATION BETWEEN LEASE TERMS, OR I SHOULD SAY THE TAX EXEMPTIONS.
PRIOR TO HOUSE BILL 2071, EVERYTHING THAT WE DID WAS A 75 YEAR LEASE AND A 75 YEAR TAX EXEMPTION.
AFTER 2071, THE STATUTE CHANGED.
NOW WE CAN ONLY GO UP TO 60 YEARS.
WHEN YOU DO AN APPROVAL AT CITY COUNCIL, IT'S FOR 60 YEAR TAX ABATEMENT.
THE LEASE, HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF FINANCING IS STILL 75 YEARS.
BUT THE TAX ABATEMENT ITSELF IS 60.
THEN AT THE YEAR 55, THE DEVELOPER OR THE OPERATOR, IT'S NOT AN OWNER BECAUSE WE OWN IT.
THE CURRENT OPERATOR CAN GO BACK FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 YEARS FROM YEAR 55 TO YEAR 60.
IT'S TECHNICAL IN THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT 75, THAT'S GOING TO BE PROJECTS THAT WERE PRIOR TO HOUSE BILL 2071, AND THEN THE LEGISLATURE HAD THE REFORMS, A LOT OF GOOD REFORMS IN THERE, AND FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, IT'S A 60 YEAR ABATEMENT.
>> BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT THERE ARE SOME PART OF THE FINANCING OF THIS THAT DICTATES WHAT THE NORMS ARE IN THE INDUSTRY.
WE'RE NOT JUST SETTING THIS ARBITRARILY, BUT RATHER WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE WAY BUSINESS WORKS.
>> THAT'S WHY WE'VE RETAINED THE 75 YEAR LEASE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY 60 YEAR TAX ABATEMENT FOR PRIMARILY THAT FINANCING.
>> ON PAGE 11, YOU TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE BULLETS, I THINK THE FOURTH ONE DOWN IS RENTAL OR OWNERSHIP HOUSING.
I'M WONDERING, WE WOULD INCLUDE MISSING MIDDLE IN THAT.
IS THAT RIGHT THIS ON PAGE 11? THIS IS A POTENTIAL USE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE NOW? YOU MENTIONED CHANGES TO THE BYLAWS AND PURPOSE.
[OVERLAPPING] POTENTIAL REVENUE USAGE IS THE TITLE OF THE SLIDE.
MINE IS NUMBER 11, BUT [OVERLAPPING] EARLY VERSION OF THIS, PERHAPS. POTENTIAL REVENUE USAGE.
THERE WE GO. WELL, I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, SO WE DON'T BURN MORE TIME ON THIS.
BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT MIHDB AND LOOKING AT THE CPL INFORMATION ABOUT 2030.
I KNOW THE PFC IS REALLY THAT 60-80% AMI SWEET SPOT.
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BUT I LOOK AT THESE IN THIS HUGE COLUMN AND JUST WONDER ABOUT MIHDB AND WONDER IF WE SHOULD DESIGNATE PERCENTAGES OF WHAT SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE 30-60% AMI THAT MAYBE THE HFC CAN DEAL WITH.WE'VE GOT THIS FUND, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE MANAGING THAT IN THE WAY WHERE WE'VE GOT THESE MASSIVE COLUMNS AND AREAS THAT DON'T PENCIL AREN'T ATTRACTIVE.
THAT'S THE ZONE THAT THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS MAY HAVE TO STEP IN ON BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE AS ATTRACTIVE TO EVERYONE ELSE.
HOW ARE WE MANAGING MAKING SURE WE CAN ADDRESS THE LOWER END OF THAT SCALE?
>> MIHDB, THE REVENUE THAT COMES INTO THAT COMES INTO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT, AND WE PROVIDE ALL THINGS HOUSING, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH OUR NOFA OR THROUGH OUR HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE MIHDB TEAM, AND THERE ARE VARIOUS USES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE REVENUE THAT COMES IN FROM MIHDB.
WE DON'T SET ASIDE MONEY SPECIFICALLY FOR FOLKS AT 30% OR BELOW OR 50%, 60%.
THAT'S NOT HOW WE SET THE FUNDING ASIDE.
WE DO IT BASED ON NEED ACROSS THE PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER.
OUR PSH NOFA THAT WE PARTNER WITH HOMELESS, THAT IS THE TOOL THAT WE HAVE THAT SERVES FOLKS THAT ARE HOMELESS, BELOW 50% AMI.
OUR PROGRAMS IN HOUSING TYPICALLY ARE FOR WORKING FAMILIES, FAMILIES AT LOW INCOMES THAT ARE IN MULTIFAMILY LIGHT TECH THAT GO THROUGH HFC, THAT GO THROUGH OUR NOFA, THAT WE PARTNER WITH OUR DEVELOPERS.
WHEN WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO SERVE PEOPLE AT VERY LOW INCOMES, WE DO IT THROUGH OUR NOFA AND THROUGH OUR HFC, AND THROUGH THE PSH, IF THERE'S FUNDING NEEDED FOR THAT TYPE OF THING.
WHEN WE PRESENTED HOW WE WOULD REUSE THOSE FUNDS, WE DID IT ON A SCALE OF, HERE IS EVERYTHING, HOUSING, AND WE CAN USE THESE FUNDS FOR THAT.
YES, WE DID NOT SET ASIDE ANYTHING THAT GAVE US A PERCENTAGE OF USE FOR THAT PROGRAM.
>> WE'RE SPREADING ACROSS EVERYTHING.
I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE AND WHERE THE GREATEST NEED IS AND WHERE OTHERS ARE NOT GOING TO STEP INTO THAT ZONE.
>> RICHARD BRANSON SAYS, MONEY IS TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.
IF NOTHING'S HAPPENING ON THAT END, MAYBE WE NEED TO RECALIBRATE HOW WE USE THAT FUND.
YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING?
>> YES. I WAS GOING TO SAY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NEEDED THROUGHOUT THE SPECTRUM, AS WE KNOW, ALL INCOME LIMITS.
AGAIN, IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC USE THAT YOU WANT US TO TARGET IN, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO AFTER THAT.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE THAT HELPS GUIDE US THROUGH, WE NEED TO PUT ALL OF OUR MONEY IN A DEAL THAT'S 30% OR BELOW.
WE WILL REACT TO THAT IF IT COMES THAT WAY, BUT AT THIS MOMENT, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT.
IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US A SUGGESTION ON PERCENTAGES THAT WE CAN USE THOSE DOLLARS FOR, WE WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT IN THE WAY WE PLAN OUR UPCOMING YEAR WITH OUR FUNDING SOURCES.
>> WELL, IN THE SAME ZONE OF QUESTIONING, I WOULD SAY YOU COULD PROBABLY BETTER ADVISE US ON WHAT THOSE PERCENTAGES MIGHT BE.
BUT ONE LAST QUESTION FOR THE PFC BOARD, CAN THE PFC BOARD INVEST EXCESS REVENUE IN NOFA DEVELOPMENTS THAT ADDRESS THE 30-60% AMI? EVEN THOUGH YOU PLAY IN THE 60-80%, COULD YOU INVEST THAT EXCESS REVENUE?
>> CAN WE LOOK AT THAT? YOU CAN GO AHEAD.
>> THANK YOU. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION.
THE FIRST ONE IS, THE WAY THE BYLAWS ARE WRITTEN, WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO BE INVESTING IN PUBLIC FACILITIES.
UNDER SECTION 6.1 PURPOSE OF POWERS, "THE CORPORATION IS ORGANIZED EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ASSISTING THE CITY IN FINANCING REFINANCING, PROVIDING PUBLIC FACILITIES, AS DEFINED IN THE ACT AND APPROVED BY THE GOVERNING BOARD, ETC." THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AND THE BROADER GOVERNING BODY TO COUNCIL TO ADDRESS SO THAT WE DO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO GET INTO SOME OF THESE ISSUES ON THE HOUSING SIDE.
THAT POINT WE COULD. NOW, UNDER OUR CURRENT STRUCTURE,
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WE CAN GO LOWER IN AMI.THE REASON THAT IT'S 10% AT 60 AND 40% AT 80 IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE STATUTE.
THAT'S HOUSE BILL 2071. THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS.
IN THIS CURRENT ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, IT IS REALLY TOUGH FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, INTEREST RATES, OF COURSE, AND WE'RE HOPING AS THOSE COME BACK TO US.
WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY.
THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IS TO ADD A SMALL NUMBER OF UNITS TO EACH DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT AT THE BOARD LEVEL, AND WHEN WE GO TO OUR NEXT WHEN WE HAVE THE NEXT PARTNERSHIP, WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO THAT A SMALL NUMBER, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, ONE, MAYBE TWO, 30% UNITS.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP, WE'RE THROWING A STARFISH BACK INTO THE OCEAN AS IT WERE.
ONE OPTION THAT BRACEWELL HAS BRIEFED THE BOARD ON THAT I THINK WE'LL BEGIN TO GET MORE SERIOUS ABOUT, MEANING THAT WE'LL HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO DO IT IS TAX CREDITS.
PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATIONS ARE PUBLIC FACILITIES GENERALLY HAVE THEIR OWN TAX CREDIT BUCKET, THAT'S OUTSIDE THE FIVE REGIONS FOR TRADITIONAL FOUR AND 9% TAX CREDITS.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO DEEPER AFFORDABILITY DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE 30 WITH THAT TYPE OF AN INCENTIVE.
THEN FINALLY, OF COURSE, THE REVENUE THAT WE GENERATE CAN GO BACK INTO THOSE PROGRAMS. WE'VE EXPLORED DEBT AS AN OPTION FOR THAT, BUT IT'S NOT VERY PRACTICAL BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT HAS TO BE STRUCTURED, IN OTHER WORDS, ISSUING DEBT FOR A PROJECT.
BUT I THINK EXCESS REVENUE, TAX CREDITS, AND THEN JUST A SMALL PORTION IN EVERY DEAL ARE THE WAYS THAT WE GOING FORWARD TO ADDRESS 30%.
>> THANK YOU. IT'S VERY UNUSUAL THAT WE WOULD HAVE A BOARD CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR PRESENTING TO US.
CYNTHIA, YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT, THOR, I THINK YOU'RE THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
WHAT STAFF IS ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PSC? WHO'S WORKING ON THIS FULL TIME?
>> WE HAD ALBERT GONZALEZ, WHO IS THE MANAGER AND SAM MCDANIEL, WHO IS PROJECT MANAGER, AND WE HAVE A NEW STAFF PERSON, SOPHIA GOMEZ, WHO IS OUR COORDINATOR.
THOSE ARE THE THREE STAFFS IN THE DEPARTMENT.
>> SAM IS HERE. ALBERT IS NOT HERE TODAY, AND SOPHIA I BELIEVE IS OVER THERE AS WELL.
>> WHAT IS THE EXTENT OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY VERSUS THE BOARD?
>> THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO COORDINATE AND PROVIDE ADMINISTRATION TO THE BOARD NEEDS, AND THEY'RE THE LIAISON BETWEEN THE BOARD AND THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS.
EVERYTHING ADMINISTRATION THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THINGS ON AGENDAS, TO GET RESOLUTIONS PASSED, TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
THE BOARD AND THE BOARD ON THE PFC MAKES THE DECISIONS ON FINANCING AND PROJECT REVIEW AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
>> I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OVERSIGHT OF THIS BOARD.
I'M JUST GOING TO FLAT OUT SAY IT LIKE THAT.
WHO IS OPENING UP BANK STATEMENTS? WHO IS ABLE TO WRITE CHECKS? HOW IS THAT ALL WORKING?
>> OUR STAFF ARE THE ONES WHO REVIEW FINANCIALS.
WE PRESENT THOSE TO THE BOARD ON A MONTHLY BASIS AT THE MONTHLY MEETINGS.
WE ALSO ARE THE ONES THAT WRITE THE CHECKS.
OUR TEAM IS THE ONES WHO DO THAT.
OF COURSE, IT GOES THROUGH THE TREASURY, WHICH IS THE BOARD AS WELL, AND THERE'S OTHER OVERSIGHT THAT GOES ON WITH WRITING CHECKS AND AUDIT REVIEWS GO THROUGH OUR CONTROLLER'S OFFICE AS THIRD PARTY AUDITOR.
THOSE GO THROUGH OUR CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.
>> PARDON ME, WHEN YOU SAY AUDITOR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD PARTY AUDITOR THAT IS INDEPENDENT, NOT PART OF THE CITY AUDIT, CORRECT?
>> THIS IS NOT GOING THROUGH THE CITY CONTROLLER'S OFFICE?
>> IT DOES GO THROUGH THE CITY CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.
THEY REQUEST THE AUDIT ANNUALLY FOR REVIEW.
>> THEY'RE NOT MONITORING THE TRANSACTIONS.
>> THEY'RE NOT. NO. THESE TRANSACTIONS ARE DONE OUTSIDE.
PFC HAS ITS OWN BANK ACCOUNT AND ITS OWN ACCOUNTANT.
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>> I THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN AN OVERSIGHT IN THE BYLAWS, WHO EXACTLY IS ABLE TO CHANGE THE BYLAWS? I MEAN, DOES THAT NEED TO COME FROM THE PFC BOARD OR COULD THAT COME FROM THE COUNCIL ITSELF? HOW DOES THAT WORK?
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT COMES FROM THE BOARD SUGGESTED, AND THEN THE COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE TO THOSE CHANGES.
BUT IF I COULD ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEYS TO CONFIRM THAT.
>> GOOD MORNING. HANNAH PEACOCK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, PLEASE?
>> THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE METHOD FOR CHANGING THE BY LAWS OF THE PFC.
IS IT ONLY INITIATED BY THE PFC BOARD? CAN THE COUNCIL INITIATE A CHANGE? HOW DOES THAT WORK?
>> WE ARE GETTING A COPY OF THE PFC BYLAWS RIGHT NOW. I DON'T.
>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE.
>> I CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THAT.
SECTION 6.2 OF THE BYLAWS, ARTICLE 6.2, GOVERNING BODY OVERSIGHT GOVERNING BODY AND ITS SOLE DISCRETION MAY ALTER THE CORPORATION STRUCTURE NAME, ORGANIZATION, ETC.
>> BUT IT MUST BE APPROVED BY THE FULL COUNCIL?
>> THE COUNCIL IS THE GOVERNING BODY.
CHAIR, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR CITY AUDITOR EVALUATE THE PSC FOR RISK INITIATIVES.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER ISSUES WITH EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBERS MAKING DECISIONS THAT HAVEN'T GONE TO THE FULL BOARD, BUT OTHER CHANGES THAT MIGHT LIMIT THE RISK TO THE CITY THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
ON PAGE 13, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THOSE COLUMNS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY FOR ME? YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE SLIDE.
>> YOU JUST WANT ME TO WALK YOU THROUGH THESE?
>> THE FIRST COLUMN IS HISTORIC AVERAGE ASSESSED TAX VALUE BEFORE THE PFC OWNED IT.
THIS IS WHAT IT WAS, THIS WAS THE TAX VALUE BEFORE PFC PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THE PFC PURCHASES IN 2023 THAT YOU'RE PULLING THE VALUE FOR 2013?
AVERAGE PULLING THE VALUE FOR EVERY YEAR, THAT 10 YEARS PRIOR AND AVERAGING WHAT THAT VALUE WAS.
>> THAT'S REGARDLESS OF IF IT WAS RAW LAND OR AN EXISTING.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. WHATEVER IT WAS PRIOR.
THE SECOND COLUMN IS C TAX AMOUNT ONE YEAR PRIOR TO THE PFC PURCHASE.
WE WANT YOU TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS VALUED AT BEFORE THEY PURCHASED IT, JUST THAT PRIOR YEAR BEFORE.
THIRD COLUMN IS THE TAX VALUE IF THERE WAS NO EXEMPTION.
THAT'S WHAT THE TAX VALUE IS ANNUALLY ON THE CURRENT NEW PROJECT THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.
>> I'M SORRY. THIS IS WHAT THE DCAD VALUE IS?
>> THIS IS WHAT WAS ESTIMATED TO BE AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK THE BOARD IF YOU KNOW THE DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THIS BY CHANCE OR, DO YOU KNOW? WE'RE NOT SURE. I'M SORRY.
I DON'T HAVE ALBERT HERE AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT DATA CAME FROM ON THIS PARTICULAR COLUMN FOR VALUE PROJECTION.
I BELIEVE IT COMES FROM HILLTOP AND WHEN THEY DO THEIR CHART FOR US, WHEN THEY GIVE US THE 75 YEAR PROJECTION, WE PULLED THAT FROM THAT CHART.
>> THEN THE 75 YEAR PROJECTION, AGAIN, IS THE PROJECTION THAT WE CALCULATE WHEN WE ALSO PROVIDE THIS TO YOU IN THE COUNCIL MEETINGS ITEMS, AND WE DO IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND SEE WHAT THAT VALUE WILL PROJECT OUT FOR 75 AND 60 YEARS
>> MY CONCERN IS THAT THE COLUMN THAT'S MISSING IS WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY COST IS.
IF YOU TAKE A PIECE OF RAW LAND AND WE'VE EXEMPTED IT FULLY FOR A BUILDING, THAT OTHERWISE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED FOR A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE WOULD HAVE COLLECTED SIGNIFICANT TAXES, THAT REALLY ISN'T CAPTURED IN THIS CHART.
PERHAPS THAT COULD BE ANOTHER COLUMN THAT'S ADDED IF THIS HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETELY DEBATED.
YOU SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING, I THINK ABOUT THE 30-60% AMI.
DO YOU NOT CONSIDER PEOPLE EARNING 30-60% AMI WORKFORCE? I BELIEVE MOST OF THEM DO.
>> WE DO CONSIDER THAT WORKFORCE, BUT UNDER THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE'VE USED HISTORICALLY, THAT HASN'T BEEN WORKFORCE,
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THAT HAS BEEN VERY LOW INCOME, MAYBE GETTING VOUCHERS ON SOME OTHER TYPES OF SERVICES, TNI, AND THOSE KINDS OF ASSISTANCE FOR REVENUE.>> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
I HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD 0-30% AS VERY LOW INCOME AND OFTEN THAT'S, DISABILITY BENEFITS, THAT SORT OF THING.
>> BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCIL WOMAN, THAT 0-30% IS OUR WORKFORCE TODAY. IT CERTAINLY IS.
0-30% OFTEN ARE NOT WORKING, BUT I THINK YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY 30-60% STILL WORKFORCE CORRECT? WELL, I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO MAYBE REDEFINE SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A DIGNITY IN ALL WORK, AND I GENERALLY HAVE SEEN THAT 30-60% POPULATION BEING EXTREMELY HARD WORKING AND BARELY MAKING IT.
I DO THINK THAT IS WHERE GOVERNMENT SHOULD STEP IN WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THESE 80-120% AMI, I DO NOT THINK THAT IS OUR ROLE.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED LEASES.
WE'VE GOT AN ITEM COMING ON WEDNESDAY.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY SIGNED LEASES ON RECORDS, WE'VE GOT IT FURTHER ON OUR AGENDA TO DISCUSS.
WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOWER THEIR RENT.
WE DID THIS FOR THE PSC ON QUITE ROAD.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO AGREED TO PAY THAT AMOUNT.
THEY HAD NO IDEA THIS WOULD EVEN HAPPEN.
BUT YET WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO TRULY CANNOT PAY THEIR RENT EVERY MONTH AND WE'RE SQUANDERING THE DOLLARS WE ACTUALLY HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THE WRONG POPULATION, THE POPULATION THAT ACTUALLY DIDN'T NEED OUR ASSISTANCE.
THEY WERE GOING TO SELF RESOLVE, BUT THE POPULATION THAT TRULY IS AT RISK, THIS 30-60%, THEY ARE THE PEOPLE AT RISK OF BECOMING HOMELESS.
THE 0-30 ARE GENERALLY PEOPLE WHO WERE HOMELESS THAT WE MANAGED TO PROP UP WITH A VARIETY OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. I THINK IT'S A MESS.
I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER WEST PASSING OUT THE SPL INFORMATION.
I THINK SPL IS AN EXTREMELY CREDIBLE ORGANIZATION.
HOWEVER, THIS PARTICULAR REPORT HAS TWO FATAL FLAWS.
ONE OF WHICH IS THAT IT GOES BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN CITY OF DALLAS AND DALLAS COUNTY.
THE SECOND IS THAT IT DISCOUNTS ANY PROPERTY BUILT BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE, AND THAT IS ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY IN DISTRICT 12.
BY SAYING YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO CONSIDER PROPERTIES FROM A CERTAIN DATE FORWARD, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE MISALIGNED WHAT THE STATUS OF OUR CITY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
WHEN YOU ONLY LOOK AT IT FROM AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE YEAR WAS, I THINK IT WAS 1980, FORWARD, WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS BUILT IN THE 70S, AND THEY'RE STILL FUNCTIONAL, THEY'RE STILL ADEQUATE REASONABLE HOUSING, AND I'LL SAY THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF UNITS IN DISTRICT 12 THAT ARE VERY APPROPRIATE FOR PEOPLE AT THE 60% AMI.
I BEG THEM TO GO BACK AND PLEASE REDO THIS ONLY FOR CITY OF DALLAS, AND PLEASE TAKE AWAY THAT LIMIT ON THE YEARS OF THE AGE OF THE PROPERTIES.
THE NEXT ITEM I HAD FOR YOU IS, HAS THERE BEEN CONSIDERATION OF LIMITING THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES OR THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF EXEMPTIONS GIVEN IN A SINGLE YEAR?
>> WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THAT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ONLY BEEN 12 PROJECTS APPROVED.
>> THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE THAN 12 APPROVED.
THERE'S ONLY 12 THAT HAVE GONE FORWARD.
THEY'RE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF STATUS.
IN THAT, THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF THREE A YEAR.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS A GOOD NUMBER TO LIMIT.
AGAIN, WE RECEIVE APPLICATIONS.
MANY OF THEM DON'T MAKE THE CUT.
>> HOW MANY PROJECTS HAS THE COUNCIL APPROVED THAT HAVE NOT GONE FORWARD?
>> I DON'T BELIEVE, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY?
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I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THEM THAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THAT HASN'T GONE FORWARD.IT'S NOW DISTRICT 3 IT WAS DISTRICT 8 AT THE TIME.
AT UNIVERSITY HILLS AND CAMPISM ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE IN DISTRICT 3.
COUNCIL APPROVED BOTH OF THOSE.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, BUT I CAN'T RECALL THE THIRD.
I'LL SAY THIS WHILE I'M AT IT.
THAT GAVE US SOME CONCERN ON THE BOARD.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE A PLACE WHERE YOU GO FIRST TO SEE EVEN GET A TAX ABATEMENT.
WE HAVE CONSIDERED GOVERNORS ON THAT SO THAT YOU CAN'T COME BACK FOR SIX MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO PAY ATTENTION TO.
BUT YES, THERE ARE A HANDFUL THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED THAT WERE NOT DEVELOPED.
>> COUNCIL WOMAN, IT'S SIX PROJECTS, TOTAL THAT STILL HAVE NOT CLOSED.
THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSED YET.
>> OF THOSE SIX, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GIVING THE ANSWER HERE, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO CLOSE? THEY'RE JUST NOT ON THE TABLE.
DO THOSE INCLUDE THE THREE THAT OUR VICE CHAIR JUST SHARED?
>> SAM MCDANIEL PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PFC, AT LEAST THREE ARE NOT GOING TO CLOSE, AND THE OTHER THREE ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DELIBERATION INTERNALLY WITH THOSE DEVELOPERS.
SEEING IF THEY CAN FIND FINANCING.
SOME HAVE EQUITY THAT HAVE FALLEN OUT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO REPLACE.
WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING FINANCIALLY, IT'S COMPLICATED.
KENNET MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING A TIME FRAME FOR FULL APPROVAL TO START DATE, AND SOME OF THOSE ARE ALSO CREEPING UP ON THAT.
THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK FOR RE-APPROVAL IF THAT CHANGE IS MADE.
>> CAN I ASK YOU? ARE ALL AWARE OF ANY PFCS THAT HAVE BYLAWS THAT SAY WHEN A PROPERTY SELLS, ACTUALLY, ALL THE PROCEEDS DON'T GO BACK TO THE PFC, BUT ARE ACTUALLY SHARED WITH THE CITY?
>> OUR TERMS, THERE ARE SO AT DISPOSITION.
THERE HAVE BEEN RECENTLY SOME EARLY TERMINATION OPTIONS.
I CALL IT A CALL OPTION, AND AGREED UPON STRIKE PRICE IN THE FUTURE BEGINNING TYPICALLY IN YEAR 40.
OTHERWISE, WHAT IS CONTEMPLATED AND THIS REALLY WAS THE FIRST PROBABLY HALF DOZEN SIX OR EIGHT BECAUSE THESE TERMS EVOLVE OVER TIME AS DEVELOPERS EVOLVE AND AS THE LEGISLATION CHANGES OR THE LAW CHANGES.
BUT ORIGINALLY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WE ONLY CONTEMPLATED THE TRANSACTION.
THERE'S A PAYMENT TO THE PFC TO ENTER A TRANSACTION WITH ANOTHER OPERATOR.
ABC DEVELOPER DECIDES TO SELL THE DEF APARTMENTS, THEN THERE WOULD BE A DISPOSITION FEE IN THAT.
>> WHEN YOU MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT THE PSC BENEFITS ALL THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
I'M WONDERING WHAT WAY YOU THINK IT BENEFITS THE GENERAL POPULATION OF DALLAS? CERTAINLY, I THINK YOU USE THE EXAMPLE AS YOU WERE SAYING IT, THAT IT BENEFITS THE PERSON WHO'S RENTING BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING A MUCH LOWER RENT.
BUT IN WHAT WAY DO YOU THINK REMOVING ITEMS FROM A TAX ROLL THAT WOULD BE PAYING FOR POLICE AND ROADS AND LIBRARIES AND PARKS WOULD BENEFIT THEM TO BE ABLE TO SUBSIDIZE SOMEBODY ELSE'S RENT THROUGH THIS METHOD.
>> HERE, THERE ARE COMPETING PRIORITIES, OBVIOUSLY, EVERY DAY ALL DAY.
CITY COUNCIL DECIDED UNANIMOUSLY THAT THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION,
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THE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED WERE PUBLIC GOOD.I TAKE AND TRUST THE JUDGMENT OF COUNCIL AND COUNCIL HAS DECIDED THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A PUBLIC GOOD.
IT'S UP TO US TO EXECUTE ON THAT.
PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE THAT MIXED INCOME COMMUNITIES ARE MORE VIBRANT.
I THINK THE RESEARCH BEARS THAT OUT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE.
IS THERE A MONETARY BENEFIT TO THE AVERAGE CITIZEN THAT OWNS THEIR HOME?
>> YEAH. YOU THINK ABOUT SCALE AND RETAIL FOLLOWS HOUSE TOPS.
THE TYPE OF SOME OF OUR PROJECTS, QUITE A FEW HAVE BEEN CATALYST TYPE PROJECTS.
THE OAK HOUSE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE AT 35 IN COLORADO, I WOULD CONSIDER VERY MUCH A CATALYST TYPE PROJECT.
A LOT IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE OVER IN TRINITY GROVES.
I WOULD CONSIDER VERY MUCH A CATALYST TYPE PROJECT AND TAXPAYERS BENEFIT FROM THAT.
IT'S NOT AS TANGIBLE AS FILL IN A POTHOLE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'VE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A LITTLE MORE ESOTERIC FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE AS A CITY, DECIDED THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A PUBLIC GOOD.
CITY COUNCIL DECIDED TO ACT UNANIMOUSLY ON THAT, AND PROVIDE THE TOOL THAT IS THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION.
SO UNTIL WE GET A DIFFERENT MISSION, PERSONALLY, I'M JUST GOING TO KEEP PLOWING AND GET SOME UNITS DOWN.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DID UNANIMOUSLY APPROVE THE PFC MODEL, AND I THINK IT'S TIME WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE BY-LAWS BECAUSE JUST LIKE OUR BUDGET, WE HAVE LIMITS FOR EVERY CATEGORY, AND IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE NOT PUT A LIMIT ON THIS AND CONTINUING TO REMOVE ITEMS FROM OUR TAX ROLL IS VERY DAMAGING TO OUR CITY AND MAY NOT BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST UNBRIDLED.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REEVALUATED.
I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT I'VE REQUESTED.
I'VE WRITTEN DOWN WHAT THEY ARE, SO I'M HOPING TO RECEIVE THAT FOLLOW UP SOMETIME SOON. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR BEING HERE AS WELL.
MY QUESTIONS ARE REALLY GOING TO BE CENTERED AROUND A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE USES OF REVENUE FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS MORE OF A SUGGESTION.
I THINK IT'S A SUGGESTION, BUT LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY.
CYNTHIA, IN ALL OF OUR TOOLS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT RELATED AROUND HOUSING, WHAT PERCENTAGE ACTUALLY GOES TOWARDS HOME OWNERSHIP?
>> LET ME DO SOME MATH REAL QUICK.
I'M REALLY ASKING THAT TO MAKE A POINT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE, MAYBE IT IS.
>> IT'S NOT, IT'S ABOUT 5% OF ALL OF OUR FUNDING SOURCES.
>> CORRECT. ONE OF THE THINGS AS WE TALK ABOUT WAYS TO USE THE REVENUE FROM PUBLIC FACILITIES CORPORATION.
NOW I'M LEANING TOWARDS YOU, GENTLEMEN AND SEE IF IS THERE A WAY WE CAN POTENTIALLY USE SOME OF THE REVENUE TOWARDS HOME OWNERSHIP.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED NEW CONSTRUCTIONS.
MAYBE TO NOW IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME, BUT MAYBE PLACING IT IN AN ESCROW SO THAT WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY DOES PRESENT ITSELF, WE CAN MOVE INTO USING SOME OF THE REVENUE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
>> COUNCILMAN GRACE. YES. THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DID MENTION AS A POSSIBLE USE OF FUNDS AND HOMEOWNERSHIP.
WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A CHANGE IN BY-LAWS TO DO THAT, WHICH WILL COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL.
BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT IN OUR GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT AS A BOARD IN GENERAL AT OUR MEETINGS.
>> PERFECT. BECAUSE AGAIN, AND MISS CHAIR, THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I WANT TO MOVE TOWARDS BECAUSE, AGAIN, AS WE TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS, EVERYTHING RELATED TO HOUSING SEEMS TO BE AROUND RENTAL UNITS.
I KNOW THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS AND IT'S HARD TO HEAR HOUSING CRISIS, BUT NO TALK OF HOME OWNERSHIP IN ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.
FOR ME, USING AS MANY OF THESE TOOLS TO GO TOWARDS REVENUE, I THINK CAN BE THAT INCENTIVE FOR OUR TAX BASE.
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FOR THOSE WHO ARE PAYING TAXES, THAT CAN BE A GOOD USE WHEN WE'RE CREATING HOME OWNERSHIP.I CONSISTENTLY SEE DEVELOPERS GOING TO ALL OF THE SUBURBS, NOT EVEN FAR FROM DISTRICT 3, GRAND PRAIRIE, THE HEIGHTS, THEY'RE GOING JUST RIGHT UP THE STREET TO DEVELOP, AND I THINK IF WE COULD USE SOME OF THIS TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO STAY IN DALLAS AND BUILD NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THEY ONCE WERE, I THINK THAT IS A STRONG RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERYTHING IS CENTERED AROUND RENTAL UNITS AND I CAN APPRECIATE THESE NUMBERS.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT I DON'T SEE IS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR FUTURE HOMEOWNERS IN DALLAS, PARTICULARLY IN SOUTHERN DALLAS. THAT'S ONE.
THEN THE OTHER PART IS AS WE TALK ABOUT TAX BASE AND ALL OF THAT.
WE BRAG ON ONE HAND ABOUT NINE CONSECUTIVE YEARS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOSING AND MISSING OUT THERE.
ONE, I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO SAY THAT THIS IS A GOOD TOOL, AND I OBVIOUSLY, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PARTICULAR TOOL, AND I APPRECIATE THE RECENT CHANGES IN HOW WE'VE BEEN STACKING THAT TO COVER MULTIPLE AMI LEVELS IN THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST THE TWO WORKFORCE AND MARKET, BUT WE HAVE BEEN MAKING IT AFFORDABLE.
I THINK THAT IS SIGNIFICANT TO THOSE WHO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE INTO THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS BECAUSE IT CHANGES YOUR MINDSET WHEN YOU'RE GETTING SOMETHING NEW, WHETHER REGARDLESS OF WHAT AMI YOU'RE IN, IT CHANGES YOUR MINDSET AND BEGINS TO SET YOUR GOALS TOWARDS THAT NEXT STEP.
FOR ME, I WANT TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF OUR HOUSING TOOLS AND PRODUCTS PROMOTE MOVING TO THAT NEXT STEP.
WHETHER IT'S PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, TO LOW INCOME HOUSING TO PFCS, TO HOME OWNERSHIP.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HOW THINGS ARE BEING PROMOTED IN THE CITY THAT WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THAT WAY AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN RENT AND WE CAN PAY A LOT OF RENT.
BUT THEN WE'RE READ TO BUY A HOUSE, WE HAVE TO MOVE OUT TO PLANO OR SOMEWHERE, AND I THINK THAT'S THE TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING, AND THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME IS WE'RE NOT ABLE TO KEEP WHEN IT COMES TO HOMEOWNERSHIP.
WE'RE NOT KEEPING OUR RESIDENT.
IF WE ARE, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME NUMBERS THAT SHOW ME THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.
IT WAS NICE TO BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
IN TWO OR THREE SENTENCES, CYNTHIA, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE INTENT OF THE PFC IS BECAUSE WE HEAR A LOT OF THE AFFORDABILITY, AND I THINK A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS FEEL THAT THIS IS A TOOL THAT'S USED FOR DEEP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND IN JUST A COUPLE SENTENCES OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THE PFC WAS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
>> SORRY. I BELIEVE THE INTENT WAS A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, IT WAS TO CREATE MIXED INCOME OPPORTUNITIES.
THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS WE WANTED TO FIND TOOLS THAT DIDN'T CONCENTRATE POVERTY, AND THIS IS ONE TOOL THAT DOES THAT.
THE OTHER IS TO ALSO BRING DEEPER AFFORDABILITY WITHOUT CASH, WITHOUT PULLING IT OUT OF THE CITY'S POCKETS IN CASH, COUNCIL WOMAN, I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE IT IS COMING OUT OF THE CITY'S COFFERS, BUT IT'S NOT CASH READILY NEEDED TO INVEST INTO A PROJECT.
>> I THINK IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE REEVALUATE AND LOOK AT OUR TOOLS THAT WE HAVE YEAR OVER YEAR AND LOOKING AT WHAT THE BENEFITS VERSUS THE CONCERNS ARE.
AND HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS IN CLIFFORD TO TIGHTEN ANYTHING UP THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THAT MIGHT BE A LOOPHOLE OR SOMETHING THAT CAN BE A BETTER BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
I 100% SUPPORT MIXED INCOME HOUSING, BUT I DO AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A CAP IN A GEOGRAPHICAL AREA.
I DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT SATURATED IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA.
I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD AND STAFF TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO ADDRESS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT CAPPING IN CERTAIN AREAS.
ALSO WITH THAT, IS, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR MARKETPLACE OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE? EVERY ARTICLE THAT I SEE, I SEE DALLAS, AUSTIN AS CITIES THAT PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO AN X AMOUNT OF MARKET RATE APARTMENTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE.
HOW ARE WE TRACKING APARTMENTS THAT ARE COMING TO THE CITY OF DALLAS?
>> LET ME ASK DOR IF HE HAS THAT IN HIS DATA SET.
>> THANK YOU. WE DON'T TRACK THAT GENERALLY IN TERMS OF ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT,
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BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COMING UP WITH HR&A ADVISORS IS LOOKING AT A HOUSING NEEDS ANALYSIS.THEY'RE CAPTURING ALL NEW BUILDS GENERALLY IN THE CITY.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT CURRENT RATES FOR SOME OF THAT NOAH, THE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING SUPPLY THAT'S THERE.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO EXPANDING IT TO LOOK AT BOTH RENTER AND HOMEOWNERSHIP.
NOT ONLY ON THE NEEDS OR OPPORTUNITIES THERE, BUT HOW DO WE ALIGN SOME OF OUR RESOURCES AND TOOLS TO ADDRESS THAT? NEXT MONTH WILL BE A DRAFT REPORT ON THAT COMING TO YOU ALL TO GET SOME OF YOUR FEEDBACK WITH THE INTENT TO FINALIZE THAT REPORT BY THE END OF THE YEAR IN DECEMBER.
THAT WILL INCLUDE THAT ACTION PLAN ITEMS FOR US THAT SAYS IN ORDER TO DELIVER ON OUR HOUSING POLICY, THIS TYPE OF DATA CAN HELP INFORM THIS.
YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY, YOUR COMMENTS ON HOW DO WE ALIGN THESE RESOURCES TO BOTH ADDRESS A LOW AMI AND A HOME OWNERSHIP POPULATION AND WHERE THOSE MIXES ARE AT.
DO COME IN LINE WITH THE WORK THAT WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO YOU IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES, INCLUDING MYSELF TO, THERE ARE SO MANY TOOLS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR RESOURCES THAT SOMETIMES THEY GET LOST, THEY GET CLOUDY, AND SO MAYBE HAVING EVERYTHING ON ONE SHEET TO SPEAK TO THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
I WANT TO DIG DEEPER INTO 999 TECHNOLOGY.
OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, AS WE ARE USING THESE TOOLS, WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THEM EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
I DO WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR PUTTING IN THE NEW POLICY WITH TIME CONSTRAINTS WHEN WE BUY AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
HAVING THOSE BUILDINGS DEMOLISHED INTO THAT NEW POLICY, I THINK IS GREAT, BUT I AM LOOKING AT AN EMAIL FROM JUNE 17TH, THAT SAYS THAT THE DEMO PERMIT HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR AND THE INTENT IS TO HAVE IT KNOCKED DOWN WITHIN THE MONTH DATED JUNE 17TH.
I'M STILL HEARING THAT THE BUILDING IS STILL NOT COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED, SO DO WE HAVE A REASON OR A STATUS ON THAT?
>> YES. THE DEMOLITION HAS BEEN UNDERWAY NOW FOR ABOUT A LITTLE OVER A WEEK, AND IT WILL GO ON FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY.
IT'S PRETTY LARGE AND THE BUILDING HAS TO BE DEMOED AND CLEARED.
THERE'S MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY, SO IT WILL TAKE ABOUT THREE WEEKS TO GET IT FULLY DEMOED AND CLEARED.
>> ON PAGE 7, THE LEGAL REVIEW AND UNDERWRITING, AND THE MONITORING, THOSE ARE THREE THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME AT LEAST.
RIGHT NOW, WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY, WHO'S ADDRESSING THAT? IS THAT THE BOARD, IS THAT STAFF? WHO'S LOOKING AT THE REVIEW, THE UNDERWRITING, AND THEN THE ONGOING MONITORING?
>> YES. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT TEAMS. THE APPLICATION COMES IN TO THE CITY'S OFFICE, AND IT IS VETTED FOR THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR APPLICATION TO THE PFC.
THAT PACKET IS PUT TOGETHER AND THEN SENT OUT TO A THIRD PARTY UNDERWRITER, WHICH IS HILLTOP.
THEY CONTRACT WITH THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION TO DO THE UNDERWRITING.
THEN IT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME GOES TO LEGAL OUTSIDE COUNCIL THAT THEY ALSO HAVE CONTRACT WITH BRACEWELL TO VET THOSE PROJECTS AND REVIEW THE UNDERWRITING.
MONITORING IS DONE BY THE INTERNAL HOUSING DEPARTMENTS TEAM.
THAT MONITORING IT'S A RISK BASED FACTOR THAT IS REVIEWED.
EVERY PROJECT FOR PFC THAT COMES ONLINE WILL RECEIVE A FIRST ON SITE MONITORING, AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT BECOMES A RISK BASED MONITORING.
IT GOES ON THE LIST FOR RISK BASE, JUST LIKE ALL THE REST OF OUR PROJECTS, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY PERFORM IN THEIR MONITORING REVIEW.
>> OKAY. THEN DO WE HAVE A COST ANALYSIS, WHETHER IT'S OUTSOURCED OR WHETHER IT'S CITY STAFF THAT'S DOING THE WORK? DO WE HAVE A COST ANALYSIS ON WHAT THAT'S COSTING THE CITY OF DALLAS?
>> I DO NOT, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. YES, SIR.
KEEPING IN MIND, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO FOR THE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION IS REIMBURSED.
SO WE BUILD THEM, BUT I CAN GET THAT TOTAL COST FOR YOU.
>> DOES ANYONE NEED A SECOND ROUND?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. GREAT QUESTIONS, COLLEAGUES.
A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UPS, AND SOME OF THESE ARE JUST TAKEAWAYS.
CHAIR WILLIS HAD ASKED ABOUT IF THE PUBLIC FACILITY BOARD CAN INVEST IN PROJECTS BETWEEN THE 30, 60% AMI LIKE OUR NOFA DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
I UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER, WE NEED TO REVIEW THE PFC BY-LAWS.
I WOULD SEE THAT AS A VIABLE INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IT WILL HELP US MEET OUR OTHER GOALS.
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I ALSO SEE ON SLIDE 10 THAT NINE OUT OF 12 OF THE UPCOMING PFC PROJECTS ARE IN THE SOUTH.ONLY THREE OUTSIDE OF SOUTH DALLAS, WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE PFC FOCUS TO THE EXTENT THE NUMBERS MAKE SENSE ON GETTING SOME MORE PROJECTS NORTH OF 30.
CAN I APPRECIATE YOUR CREATIVE APPROACH TO TRY TO GET US ONE OR TWO UNITS HERE AND THERE.
I'M COOL WITH THAT, IF THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE NONE IN THAT LEVEL IF IT'S GOING TO HURT OUR ABILITY TO GET THE PSC PROJECTS DONE, AND I'D RATHER SEE YOU TAKE THE FUNDS AND INVEST THEM IN THE LOWER LEVEL NOFAS AND STUFF.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
I THOUGHT THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED.
I DIDN'T HEAR THE ANSWER IF IT WAS.
WILL REVENUE SOURCES LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND WHAT THEY'RE USED FOR, DOES THAT COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OR DOES THAT STAY WITHIN THE GUYS OF THE BOARD TO APPROVE THAT?
>> THE RESPONSE IS THEIR BY-LAWS CURRENTLY ALLOW FOR REUSES FOR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES, THEY'RE LOOKING AT OPENING UP THAT SCALE TO HAVE A BIGGER SPAN OF REUSES OF THOSE REVENUES, AND THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO CHANGE THE BY-LAWS.
>> SO THE CHANGE IN THE SPAN OF USES, BUT ONCE THAT'S APPROVED.
THEN TO GO TO CHAIR MENDELSOHN'S POINTS ABOUT NOT LETTING THIS BE UNBRIDLED.
I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE INTENT WAS TODAY TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE PICTURE.
IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 14, WHAT I THINK WE MISSED TODAY THAT I THINK PARTIALLY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST CAPTURE ALL OF THIS IN HERE IS A REAL UNDERSTANDING OF THIS ENTIRE CHART.
I LOOK AT THE TOTALS HERE AT THE BOTTOM AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.
THE FIRST COLUMN OF COURSE IS THE PROJECT.
THE SECOND COLUMN IS THE HISTORIC ASSESSED 10 YEAR TAX VALUE. WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
THE NEXT COLUMN IS THE YEAR PRIOR TO PFC PURCHASE.
I ASSUME A LOT OF THEM THEY WERE VACANT OR THE TAX VALUE WENT DOWN. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO.
>> IT WAS VACANT LAND OR THE BUILDING WAS NOT IN OPERATION.
>> THEN TO CHAIR MENDELSOHN'S POINT, WAS IT HILLTOP OR WHO CAME UP WITH THE NEXT COLUMN, THE PROJECTED CITY TAX REVENUE IF IT IS DEVELOPED.
THAT'S THE I GUESS OPPORTUNITY COST, BUT HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THAT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT TOO.
IF I'M GOING TO DO A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, THIS IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
>> AT THE END OF THE DAY THOUGH, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY COST LOST.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
I COULD TELL YOU THE PROJECTS IN D1 ON HERE.
I KNOW WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME, AND JUST BECAUSE I KNOW MY DISTRICT, I KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO STAY VACANT OR IF THEY'RE LIKE A REALLY HOT PROPERTY, I JUST KNOW IT BECAUSE I LIVE THERE.
EACH ONE OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
I THINK THE BETTER WAY TO GAUGE IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT, IN MY OPINION, IS ARE WE MEETING OUR TARGETED AMI GOALS.
WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL STAFF PROVIDES US AND THE PFC BOARD WITH THE NUMBERS.
WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO HIT? I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET A FULLY ACCURATE PICTURE OF THIS PFC PROGRAM AND IF IT'S WORKING UNTIL WE KNOW THE AMI CATEGORIES, THE GAP WE NEED TO FILL, AND HOW THIS IS CLOSING THAT GAP.
I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THAT AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON IT.
I'M JUST GOING TO HAMMER THAT HOME. THANK YOU.
>> WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE FRONT END OF THESE PROJECTS AND THE BACK END AND THE ONGOING NATURE OF THEM IS THE MONITORING.
I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 18 AND 17, AT LEAST IN MY DECK.
IT'S TITLED PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CALLS SINCE PFC OWNERSHIP AND THEN PROCESS IMPROVEMENT.
WE KNOW ABOUT THE 999 TECHNOLOGY PROPERTY.
BUT AS I LOOKED AT THE CALLS RELATED TO PROPERTIES, I WAS REALLY APPALLED THAT THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON ON PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING MANAGED THAT ARE CONSTRUCTION OUTSIDE OF NORMAL HOURS.
AND SO I WANT TO KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM TO MONITOR THIS IN AN ONGOING FASHION.
IF IT'S OUR PROJECT AND THE PUBLIC TRUST, WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AND TO BUILD IF IT'S NOT BEING MANAGED FOR OUR OWN PROJECTS.
MY OTHER ADD TO THIS WOULD BE THAT IF SOMEONE IS VIOLATING THIS THING PERPETUALLY AND WE SEE THIS, HOW WE CAN WORK WITH DEV SERVICES AND PROCUREMENT TO STRIKE THEM AND MAKE A RED FLAG IN OUR SYSTEM, IF YOU'RE NOT MANAGING YOUR SUBS,
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AND THEY'RE VIOLATING THINGS LIKE CONSTRUCTION HOURS.WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT? BECAUSE I SEE UNDER MONITORING, IT DOESN'T GET TO THE POINT OF ONCE IT STARTS, SOMEONE'S REALLY WATCHING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING?
>> YES. ON MY SIDE IN THE DEPARTMENT, WE ARE BEEFING UP THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE ONGOING MONITORING REVIEWS WHILE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON.
I BELIEVE A LOT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED WHEN THE PROGRAM CAME ONLINE IS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF OWNERSHIP AND RESPONSIBILITY PUT ON THE DEVELOPERS ALONE.
AND IT CAN'T ALWAYS JUST BE THAT.
WE MONITOR OUR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ON OUR NOFA DEVELOPMENT SIDE EVERY DAY.
WE HAVE STAFF THAT GO OUT TO SITE AND LOOK AT THOSE SITES TO MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS MOVING AND ARE THERE ANY ISSUES GOING ON? WE HAVE TO DO THAT WITH OUR PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION AS WELL, AND OUR STAFF WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A PLAN, YOU'RE WORKING ON A PLAN TO DO THAT.
>> I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD REAL QUICK, THAT WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH DATA BUSINESS ANALYTICS AS WELL AS OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM SO THAT WHEN SERVICE REQUESTS DO GET ENTERED IN THE SYSTEM, THEY COME TO STAFF DIRECTLY RIGHT AWAY.
THERE'S NO LAG TIME IN MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF WHEN THE COMPLAINTS COME IN SO THAT OUR TEAM WHO'S WORKING WITH TO SEND UP A VENDOR CAN ALSO HELP US MONITOR THOSE AND RESPOND IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER.
>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO BACK TO SIDE 18, AND THIS IS THE NEXT STEPS FOR PFC PROCESS IMPROVEMENT.
UNDER ELEVATE TRANSPARENCY, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THE PROCESS IS WORKING TO DETERMINE VENDORS? IS THAT GOING THROUGH OUR CITY PROCUREMENT PROCESS?
>> VENDORS DO NOT GO THROUGH OUR CITY PROCESS.
THEY ARE VETTED THROUGH HILLTOP THROUGH OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND THE BOARD.
>> SO THE BOARD IS EXCLUSIVELY DECIDING WHO THE VENDORS ARE.
>> THE BOARD ALONG WITH HILLTOP'S UNDERWRITING REVIEW, AND WE HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL JIM WITH BRACEWELL ONLINE AS WELL THAT CAN MAYBE SPEAK TO SOME OF THIS, BUT YES, THAT IS THE DECISION MAKERS ARE THOSE THREE. YES.
>> OKAY. BUT HILLTOP AND BRACEWELL WERE DECIDED BY THE BOARDS THEMSELVES.
>> THEY ARE HIRED BY THE BOARD.
>> A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ON THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO IN ALL OF THESE CASES, AND THE FOUR THAT I'M THINKING OF, ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T HIRED THE FOURTH, WOULD BE HILLTOP FOR UNDERWRITING, BRACEWELL FOR THE TRANSACTION LEGAL COUNSEL, AND THEN OUR ACCOUNTING FIRM.
AND THEN MARKETING, WHO WE HAVE NOT HIRED ANYONE YET.
IN EACH ONE OF THOSE CASES, WE HAD AN RFP OUT, AND THOSE RFPS CAME BACK, CAME THROUGH STAFF, AND THEN A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PFC BOARD FOR HILLTOP AND BRACEWELL, FOR INSTANCE, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR FIRST VOTES BECAUSE WE NEEDED COUNSEL AND WE NEEDED AN UNDERWRITER, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN VETTED AT THAT POINT THROUGH AN RFP.
>> THANK YOU. I'M ACTUALLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR LEGAL FEES.
WHEN YOU'RE DOING TRANSACTIONS AND YOU HAVE THE EXCESSIVE LEGAL FEES THAT IT SEEMS TO BE ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE TRANSACTIONS? I'M CONCERNED YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT GETTING A GOOD DEAL.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENTIRE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND HOW THIS WORKS FOR THE PSC, PERHAPS EVEN FOR THE HFC.
WHO WAS MONITORING 999 TECHNOLOGY?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT MY TEAM WAS MONITORING IT, AS I MENTIONED, TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY WERE TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPER, WATCHING THEM, WORKING WITH THEM WITH THE DEVELOPER TO MOVE THE PROJECT ALONG.
BUT MOSTLY IT WAS THE DEVELOPER THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OVERSIGHT AND SECURITY ON THE PROPERTY.
>> AND IS THAT GOING TO CONTINUE AS THE MODEL FOR MONITORING?
>> NO, MA'AM. WE ARE MANAGING THAT BETTER.
WE'RE PUTTING MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF MONITORING THAT WE DO WITH EACH OF THE CONSTRUCTION SITES AND THE PROJECTS, AS WELL AS REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, AND WE'RE WORKING ON STRENGTHENING THE LANGUAGE IN OUR CONTRACTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE SECURED,
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IT NEEDS TO BE SECURED TIMELY, OR THERE WILL BE SOME CONSEQUENCE TO NOT DOING THAT.>> OKAY. WELL, THE REALITY IS THE MORNING NEWS IS THE ONE WHO MONITORED THAT FOR US, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THAT ARTICLE.
WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF MONITORING YOU'RE DOING? YOU SAID IT'S RISK BASED.
DOES THAT MEAN ONCE A YEAR IS THE MINIMUM AND MONTHLY IS THE MAXIMUM OR SOMEBODY'S GOING OUT THERE EVERY WEEK IN SOME INSTANCES, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE MONITORING? AND DOES THAT MEAN EYES ON THE PROJECT OR DOES THAT MEAN JUST CHECKING IN WITH THE VENDOR? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? DALLAS HAS NOT HISTORICALLY BEEN KNOWN FOR GOOD MONITORING?
>> RIGHT. OUR MONITORING PLAN REQUIRES, EVERY ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT COMES ONLINE FOR THE FIRST TIME WILL BE AN ONSITE MONITORING OF ELIGIBILITY AND THE STRUCTURE AND TO MAKE SURE THE PROPERTY IS IN THE CONDITION THAT WE EXPECTED TO BE IN.
WE WILL THEN DO A MONITORING ONCE A YEAR.
IF IT IS IN A HIGH RISK, THOSE MONITORINGS CAN BE WEEKLY, THEY CAN BE DAILY CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT WE FIND WHEN WE DO OUR FIRST MONITORING.
>> AND DO YOU HAVE THAT AS A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE?
>> YES MA'AM. WE HAVE A MONITORING PLAN THAT WE DO ANNUALLY.
>> OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE AUDITOR NEEDS TO BE REVIEWING.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS MY LAST QUESTION. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.
>> SORRY CHAIR. ONE MORE THING. THE MAP YOU HAVE OF YOUR PFCS, UNLESS I'M WRONG, WASN'T THE QUITE ROAD BRISCOE A PFC, NOT AN HFC BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE THAT ITEM IN DISTRICT 11.
>> ALL RIGHT. BRIEFING ITEM C.
>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBER DARWIN WADE, ASSISTANT HOUSING DIRECTOR.
HERE TO GO OVER THE MEMO ON THE FOUR PROPERTIES, THE FORT WORTH AVENUE, INDEPENDENCE, HAMPTON ROAD, AND THE VANTAGE POINT PROPERTY.
IN THE PROPERTY TRACKER, YOU WILL SEE THE FORT WORTH AVENUE.
WE PROVIDED UPDATES ON THE LATEST AND GREATEST WITH THE PROJECT.
THE PROJECT IS MOVING ALONG FAIRLY WELL.
THE DEVELOPER, ST. JUDE INC IS CURRENTLY FORMING THE COMMUNITY LIAISON COMMITTEE AS REQUIRED BY THE SUP, THAT IS UNDERWAY.
THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE VENDOR AND THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM IS GOING GREAT.
WE HAVE A MEETING TODAY TO JUST GET THE LATEST AND GREATEST UPDATES AS IT RELATES TO THE ARCHITECTURE.
THAT IS GOING GREAT, AND THERE WILL BE A COMMUNITY MEETING THIS WEEK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DISCLOSE PRELIMINARY RENDERINGS, OF THE NEW DESIGN OF ST. JUDE OACLIFF CENTER.
WE'RE EXTREMELY PROUD OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED WITH THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL CERTAINLY BE PROUD OF AND CAN CELEBRATE.
SO WE'RE EXTREMELY HAPPY THAT THIS PROJECT IS MOVING.
AND I KNOW THE COUNCIL MEMBER IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
THIS PROJECT IS CURRENTLY IN THE NOFA PROCESS.
WE INITIATED THAT PROCESS BACK IN JULY.
WE HAVE HAD A PRE-SUBMISSION MEETING WITH INTERESTED DEVELOPERS.
I CAN TELL YOU NOW THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY A TON OF INTEREST WITH DEVELOPER TEAMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER PRE SUBMISSION MEETING TOMORROW FROM 2-4
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WITH ANY OTHER INTERESTED DEVELOPERS THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN APPLYING FOR THIS PROJECT.SEVERAL SITE TOURS HAVE GONE ON OVER THE PAST MONTH OR SO.
THE DEADLINE FOR NOFA APPLICATIONS IS GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER 13TH, FRIDAY 13TH.
WE DO EXPECT A NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS FOR THAT PROJECT, AND WE'LL START OUR INTERNAL VETTING AND EVALUATION WITH THE INTERNAL CITY DEPARTMENTS THROUGH A CROSS DEPARTMENTAL TEAM, AND OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE THAT BEFORE YOU UV COMMITTEE IN NOVEMBER AND IT'LL BE ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA BY DECEMBER.
AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTINE TO TALK ABOUT THE HAMPTON PROJECT.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, CHRISTINE CROSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMES SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.
FOR HAMPTON DRIVE, WE ARE COMING BACK TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS WITH A COUPLE OF OPTIONS BASED ON HHS FEEDBACK AND COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AS PROVIDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE DISTRICT, COUNCIL MEMBER CASEY, FOR THE PLANNED SEPTEMBER HHS MEETING. THAT'S IT.
>> OKAY. OUR NEXT PROPERTY IS THE VANTAGE POINT PROPERTY, STU VANTAGE POINT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE COMPLETION DATE, STATUS UPDATE, RENOVATIONS ARE 100% COMPLETE.
WE PROVIDED INFORMATION ON THE LEASE UP AND THE MOVE INS, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT INFORMATION HAS NOW CHANGED, AND WE DO HAVE SHANNON OUR TUB WITH ST.
JUDE HERE THAT CAN PROVIDE US WITH THE LATEST AND GREATEST NUMBERS.
BUT WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH DHA ON THE HAP CONTRACT FOR 25 PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS.
AND CATHOLIC CHARITIES WILL CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO PARTNERS TO ASSIST IN THEIR LEASE UP, AND SO SHANNON CAN TALK ABOUT THEIR NUMBERS AND WHAT GOOD THINGS ARE GOING ON WITH THE NUMBERS IN LEASING.
>> GOOD MORNING. SHANNON NORT LUB WITH CATHOLIC HOUSING INITIATIVE, HERE REPRESENTING VANTAGE POINT.
I'M VERY THRILLED TO SAY THAT WE'VE HAD A REALLY GREAT AUGUST THUS FAR.
PRIOR TO AUGUST, WE'D BEEN FILLING UP A LITTLE SLOWER THAN WE WOULD HAVE LIKED.
OUR INITIAL GOAL WAS ABOUT 20 UNITS A MONTH, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ACHIEVED ALREADY HERE THIS MONTH EVEN BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH.
SO THINGS SEEM TO BE PICKING UP LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LOCAL PARTNERS, WHETHER IT BE AUSTIN STREET, HOUSING FORD.
EVERYBODY, I THINK, ALL THE EYES ARE ON VANTAGE POINT, WHICH IS WHERE WE WANT THEM TO FILL THE ROOMS. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT HOPING THAT THIS IS GOING TO STICK, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE FILLING UP AT THIS QUANTITY.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL MENTION IS THAT I HEARD DARWIN SAY THAT THE PROJECT IS COMPLETELY 100% COMPLETE.
WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE MORE WORK TO DO ON THE COMMON AREAS, THAT BEING THE NEW OFFICE OFFICES AND COMMUNITY ROOM AND THE PAVILION.
A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO DO THERE.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU CHAIR FOR QUESTIONS.
>> I'M GOING TO START TO MY LEFT THIS TIME WITH CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
>> THANK YOU. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, AND I KNOW I'VE ASKED FOR THIS PREVIOUSLY.
CAN YOU ADD A ROW ON EVERY ONE OF THESE ITEMS THAT HAS ESTIMATED MOVE IN DATE? BECAUSE COMPLETION DATE AND MOVE IN DATE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I BELIEVE FOR FORT WORTH AVENUE.
THE ST. JUDE HAS TOLD US THAT IT WOULD BE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH OF 2026, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON OUR SHEET WITH A COMPLETION OF NOVEMBER 25? FORT WORTH AVENUE, CAN YOU CONFIRM WE HAVE ALL THE FUNDING IN PLACE? THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DOLLARS NEEDED, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> OKAY. SO NOW WE GO TO INDEPENDENCE, AGAIN, WHAT IS THE MOVE AND DATE FOR THAT?
>> WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE NOFA APPLICATION PROCESS.
SO ONCE I GET THE APPLICATIONS AND WE SELECT THE VENDOR, AND WE LOOK AT THEIR DEVELOPMENT SCHEDULE, THE TIMELINE, THEN I CAN PUT IN A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER FOR THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW, I DO NOT HAVE WHAT THAT WILL BE.
>> SO AT A MINIMUM, THE ROW SHOULD BE ON THERE, EVEN IF IT SAYS TBD?
>> I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD SET YOURSELF A GOAL.
WHEN THERE'S NO GOAL, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THERE.
AND THEN INDEPENDENCE, DO WE HAVE ALL THE FUNDING WE NEED FOR THAT?
>> THAT IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED.
WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FULL TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COSTS WILL BE.
WE MAY HAVE ESTIMATES, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FULL ACTUAL TOTAL COST WILL BE.
WE DO HAVE IN THE CURRENT NOFA THAT'S OUT THERE NOW THAT IS AVAILABLE.
THERE'S ABOUT 4.4 MILLION DOLLAR THAT IS BEING OFFERED IN THAT NOFA.
HOWEVER, IT WILL BE DEVELOPERS THAT MAY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION.
WE'LL HAVE TO BRING SOME OF THEIR FINANCING FROM OTHER SOURCES.
THEN I KNOW THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT CHRISTINE MAY HAVE AVAILABLE IF WE NEED
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TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE NOFA ON TOP OF THE 4.4 THAT'S ALREADY LISTED.>> THE 4.4 YOU ALREADY HAVE BANK?
>> YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT MONEY IN THE BANK.
>> IT'S MONEY THAT WE HAVE ON HAND FROM OHS.
>> AND IF MORE IS NEEDED, YOU THINK THAT YOU HAVE AN ABILITY TO FIND IT IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT.
>> IF MORE IS NEEDED RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE BOND FROM THE 2024 BOND.
THE 4.4 IS ALL WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE BANK, SO TO SPEAK.
>> OKAY. SO MOVING ON TO HAMPTON, WHICH SADLY ONLY HAS THE ONE ROW, ALSO NEEDS AN ESTIMATED MOVE AND DATE.
EXCEPT IT MIGHT ALSO NEED SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THIS PROPERTY, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK IN SEPTEMBER FOR THAT GUIDANCE FROM THIS COUNCIL BODY.
>> OKAY. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANOTHER WORD ABOUT THAT AND LEAVE THAT TO MY COLLEAGUE.
THE NEXT ONE IS VANTAGE POINT.
I'M STILL NOT CLEAR FROM LISTENING TO THIS.
SO IS IT CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY RESIDENTS?
>> YES. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 47 RESIDENTS LIVING AT THE PROPERTY.
>> RESIDENTS. AND THERE'S 136 ROOMS?
>> YES, MA'AM. AND ARE THEY ALL SINGLE OCCUPANCY?
>> AND IS IT REQUIRED TO BE SINGLE OCCUPANCY?
>> YES. THE EFFICIENCIES ARE REQUIRED TO BE SINGLE OCCUPANCY.
THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF OUR ROOMS. WE DO HAVE SOME ONE BEDROOMS, BUT DUE TO SIZING, IT'S SINGLE OCCUPANCY.
>> AND SO YOUR GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO ACTUALLY FILL THE 136 OR YOU'RE NOT QUITE READY TO DO THAT?
>> WE ARE, AND THE GOAL IS TO FILL THE 136.
>> AND SO I MUST HAVE PASSED 25 PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE STREET, GETTING TO CITY HALL THIS MORNING? WHO'S GOING OUT THERE TODAY TO GET THEM INTO HOUSING?
>> SO AS SHANNON SAID, THEY ARE WORKING WITH ALL PARTNERS TO GET IT LEASED UP.
IT IS CHOICE, SO WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE GO THERE, BUT PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE SYSTEM FOR HOUSING.
THIS IS AN OPTION THAT IS DEFINITELY BEING PROMOTED.
AND SO AS SHANNON SAID, WE HAVE SEEN AN UPTAKE IN THAT LEASING PROCESS.
>> HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD THESE UNITS VACANT? THE ROOMS HAD BEEN COMPLETED IN PHASES.
ALL 136 WERE COMPLETED ABOUT 40 DAYS AGO.
WE'VE BEEN LEASING SINCE MARCH.
AND AS I STATED EARLIER, IT WAS A BIT SLOW TO START.
WE WERE OCCUPYING LESS THAN TEN PER MONTH, THE FIRST FEW MONTHS BEING OPENED, BUT AGAIN, AUGUST HAS BEEN GREAT TO US.
>> SO ALL UNITS HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE 40 DAYS AGO AND WITH THE ALL-NEIGHBORS COALITION, THEY WERE ALL FULLY INFORMED THAT THESE ROOMS WERE AVAILABLE, IS THAT TRUE?
>> AND THERE'S NO SPECIAL VOUCHERS NEEDED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> MOST OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE COME WITH HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS.
AS CHRISTINE STATED, THEY'RE CHOICE VOUCHERS, THEY CAN CHOOSE WHERE THEY GO.
SO ALL THE CURRENT RESIDENTS DO HAVE A VOUCHER.
WE HAVE BEEN AWARDED A DHA PROJECT-BASED VOUCHER FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
WE WERE AWARDED 25, WHICH WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL HAPPILY TAKE, AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF THAT CONTRACT BEING PREPARED AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
SO HOPING TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE WITHIN 30 DAYS, AND THAT'LL BE ANOTHER BIG UPTICK FOR US.
I HAVE TO SAY I'M SORT OF SITTING HERE STUNNED THAT WE HAVE 90 UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO MOVE IN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRULY FACING HOMELESSNESS, AND WE'VE HAD 40 DAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT FILLED.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SHOCKING IN A CITY WHERE I FEEL LIKE I'M DAILY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LACK OF AVAILABILITY FOR SERVICES FOR PEOPLE, AND OUR SHELTERS ARE FULL.
I HAVEN'T HEARD A SINGLE OPERATOR NOT TELL ME THAT THIS HAS BEEN A RECORD YEAR FOR PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE SERVING.
I HAVE TO QUESTION THE OUTREACH TO THE PROVIDERS IF THAT'S THE CASE.
I MEAN, SOMETHING'S NOT WORKING HERE.
HOW DO WE HAVE ALL THESE ROOMS AVAILABLE AND ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS AND NOBODY'S GOING IN HOUSING? I MEAN, WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?
>> THE PROCESS IS OUTREACH WORKING WITH EVERYONE PLUS SHELTER PROVIDERS WORKING WITH EVERYONE, BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS TO HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THIS IS ONE, AND SO IT IS PROMOTED.
IF THIS WAS THE ONLY PATHWAY TO HOUSING, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE FULL AND A HEARTBEAT, BUT IT'S NOT.
AS PEOPLE ARE GETTING READY FOR HOUSING AND THEN MOVING ONTO THEIR PATHWAYS,
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THEY'RE CHOOSING WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.WE ARE SEEING AN UPTAKE BUT YOU'RE ALSO SEEING NEW PEOPLE IN SHELTER WHO ARE COMING INTO HOMELESSNESS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
SO EACH PATHWAY TO HOUSING TAKES TIME.
THE AVERAGE PATHWAY FROM ENROLLMENT TO HOUSING IS ABOUT 100 DAYS.
IN TERMS OF GETTING PEOPLE DOCUMENT READY AND WORKING WITH THEM, SEEING WHAT THEY NEED.
IF THERE'S A VOUCHER, THAT TAKES SOME TIME.
EACH PATHWAY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS JUST THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF GETTING SOMEONE ENGAGED AND THEN MOVED INTO THE HOUSING.
>> MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU THEN BECAUSE REALLY, I'M A LITTLE ASTOUNDED BY THIS CONVERSATION IS, YOU'RE NOW SAYING THAT THERE'S OTHER PATHWAYS TO HOUSING, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE VACANT RIGHT NOW THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF?
>> JUST AS THEY ARE FOR ANYONE WHO'S RENTING ON THE PRIVATE MARKET.
THE SYSTEM UTILIZES RENTAL EXCUSE ME, RAPID REHOUSING AND VOUCHERS WHERE THEY CAN THROUGHOUT THE PRIVATE MARKET.
AND THERE ARE SOME PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND RAPID REHOUSING PROJECTS SUCH AS THE ST. SHUT PROJECTS.
BUT BY AND LARGE, THAT IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF THEM.
SO IT'S JUST AS THE UNITS BECOME AVAILABLE AND ABLE TO BE SECURED.
>> I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE A MEMO FROM OHS EXPLAINING HOW MANY UNITS THEY SEE IN DALLAS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
BECAUSE WE HAVE 17 OUTREACH WORKERS WE PAID FOR IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET, AND IF THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO HOUSING, WE HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROBLEM AND A DIFFERENT SOLUTION IS NEEDED THAN WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US OVER AND OVER.
WHAT'S PRESENTED IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING AVAILABLE.
BUT IF WE HAVE THE HOUSING AVAILABLE AND PEOPLE ARE JUST CHOOSING NOT TO TAKE IT, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT PROBLEM THAT NEEDS A DIFFERENT SOLUTION. THANK YOU.
>> IF I MAY, CHAIR, THAT WOULD BE A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
BUT IN ITS 16 FTES, AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING A FANTASTIC JOB OF CONNECTING PEOPLE TO HOUSING.
BUT EACH OF THOSE PATHWAYS, AS I HAVE SAID, TAKES TIME.
IT'S HAVING THE CORRECT FUNDING TO GET PRIVATE LANDLORDS TO WORK WITH US TO FIND THE HOUSING AND ALSO HAVING PROJECTS MIXED IN LIKE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR THOSE FOR WHOM THAT IS THE CORRECT PATHWAY EXIT.
IF WE HAD MORE OF THAT, THEN THE TIME TO HOUSING WOULD CERTAINLY CUT DOWN.
IT IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO NEED HOUSING, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AS FAST AS WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO SO.
AND IF WE HAD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY.
>> THANK YOU. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE REALLY IS CENTERED AROUND THE INDEPENDENCE.
I KNOW IT'S STILL KIND OF OUT FOR PROCUREMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHAPE THIS QUESTION.
GIVEN OUR HISTORY WITH PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OWNS, I GUESS, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ANTICIPATED COST FOR BUILD-OUT WOULD BE CURRENTLY, OR CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT PUBLICLY OR BECAUSE IT'S A OPEN PROCUREMENT? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK? IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT ANY SURPRISES.
SO ON ONE HAND, WE GO IN AND WE SELECT A CONTRACTOR TO GO IN AND START THE BUILD-OUT, AND THEN WE DETERMINE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A SURPRISE THAT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT'S GOING TO END UP COSTING US ADDITIONAL $2,000,000 OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I GUESS I'M ASKING HOW WE DONE AN ASSESSMENT OF THAT PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THERE WON'T BE ANY SURPRISES DURING BUILD-UP.
>> CHAIR, SO IF I MAY, I THINK WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THAT POTENTIAL OPERATOR MIGHT BE.
AND SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO THE USE IS GOING TO BE BEFORE WE HAVE THAT ANALYSIS, IS THAT?
>> YES. AND THAT USE NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED BY HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTION.
SO THERE WILL BE A MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION AT THE NEXT AJHS FOR THAT VERY REASON.
>> OKAY. CHAIR WEST. COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS.
>> WELL, I TOO WAS FLUMMOXED BY THE DESCRIPTION IN HERE AND BY THE CONVERSATION.
SO I'M SURE THERE ARE PARTS OF THE PROCESS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FINER POINTS ON, BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU'VE BEEN AT THIS SINCE MARCH AND NOW WE'RE KNOCKING AT SEPTEMBER'S DOOR, AND I SHOW ON THIS REPORT, IT SAYS 37 ARE HOUSED AND 10 ARE PENDING MOVE IN.
MAYBE THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO THE 47 NUMBER, BUT THAT STILL LEAVES A LOT OF UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS ABOUT AWAITING HOUSING INSPECTION, SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, COMPLY WITH CODE.
I MEAN, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT
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WE NEED TO WORK WITH DEB SERVICES ON TO MOVE THIS ALONG.BUT MY IMPRESSION WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE A WAITING LIST SO VAST THAT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO FILL THOSE AND THEN SOME.
I REALIZE THE LIMITATIONS OF SINGLE OCCUPANCY, I MEAN, FAMILIES, COUPLES, ET CETERA ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT UP, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE STREETS THAT THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF PEOPLE.
AND I KNOW IT'S A CHOICE. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
BUT ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THERE'S NOT A WAITING LIST OUT THERE THAT ARE 16 NEW FDES HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DEVELOP A LIST THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO FIT INTO THIS KIND OF HOUSING?
>> YEAH. AND I WILL SAY THAT NO, THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO COULD UTILIZE THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, AND I'M SURE THAT THERE WILL BE MORE THAN THERE ARE OCCUPANCY FOR.
IT'S ALSO THE PATHWAY TO HOUSING TAKES TIME.
AND SO I CAN'T SAY WITHOUT LOOKING INTO THE LARGER SYSTEM, WHICH IS NOT WHAT OHS DOES.
IF THERE ARE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT SHELTERS WHO ARE ALSO WORKING ON UTILIZING THIS PATHWAY TO HOUSING OR IF IT'S ALL COMING FROM THOSE WHO ARE WORKING WITH THE SPECIFICALLY UNSHELTERED.
THE 16 FTE OUTREACH ARE ONLY WORKING WITH THE CHRONICALLY HOMELESS OUTSIDE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSING ON THE COMMUNITY DASHBOARD IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO'VE USED PSH VOUCHERS OR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS, THAT'S 14%.
OVER 50% HAVE GONE THROUGH DIVERSION TO GO OUT OF HOMELESSNESS AND THEN THE REMAINDER ARE RAPID REHOUSING.
THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT EXIT PATHWAYS.
>> AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IS SORELY NEEDED, BUT IT'S ALSO THE ONE THAT TAKES THE LONGEST TO REALLY GET SOMEONE TO COME IN AND ACCEPT.
THEN FOR RAPID REHOUSING, FOR WHICH I BELIEVE IS ANY RAPID REHOUSING GOING TO VANTAGE POINT RIGHT NOW? YEAH, A COUPLE AS WELL.
THEY MIGHT ALSO BE WORKING WITH SHELTERS.
IT'S JUST FIGURING OUT THAT MIX.
BUT IT'S THE TIME THAT IT TAKES AND RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS NEEDED, BUT IT'S ALSO THE MOST TIMELY PATH TO HOUSING FOR THE SMALLEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
>> SINCE YOU'RE THE POINT OF CONTACT WITH HOUSING FORWARD.
YES. COULD WE GET SOME UNDERSTANDING AROUND THIS? SURE FROM THEM JUST TO HELP US GRASP THIS BECAUSE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AND SEEING THIS, AND I THINK IF RESIDENTS LOOK AT IT AND SEE THIS THAT THERE'S MONEY INVESTED, THERE ARE ROOMS READY, BUT YOU'RE STILL SEEING PEOPLE ON THE STREET.
IT'S JUST HARD TO RECONCILE THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING TO GIVE US SOME DEPTH AROUND WHAT THAT PROCESS IS AND WHERE THE HANG UPS ARE AND IF THERE'S A WAY TO IMPROVE THAT PROCESS.
>> YES. I CAN GET A BREAKDOWN OF THE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS TO HOUSING.
I KNOW THAT OUR WHITE HOUSE LIAISON HAS ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING ON SOME WAYS TO REDUCE THOSE BARRIERS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS.
>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO THAN CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND YOUR DEDICATION.
I TOO AM GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO VANTAGE POINT AND THE 47 INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN HOUSED.
DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE FROM DIVERSIONS OR CHRONICALLY HOMELESS AND LAST ADDRESSES FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AT THIS ADDRESS?
>> I SWITCH TO SHANNON IN A MINUTE, BUT DIVERSION MEANS THAT THEY DON'T NEED ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT QUICK HELP OUT OF HOMELESSNESS, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE GOING TO A PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECT.
THAT LARGER 51% IS RESOLVING WITH VERY, VERY LITTLE HELP VERY QUICKLY, WHICH IS WHY IT'S SUCH A CHEAP INTERVENTION.
THEN FOR PEOPLE WHO COME IN, I THINK, AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, LAST KNOWN ADDRESS IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE OF TRACKING.
FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT WAS YEARS AGO, FOR SOME PEOPLE, THEY MIGHT SAY THEIR LAST ADDRESS WAS THE TAJ MAHAL.
IT'S WHATEVER THEY SAY THAT THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO PUT DOWN.
>> IS THAT BEING TRACKED AND ASKED FOR?
>> IT IS TRACT AND [INAUDIBLE] A STANDARD PART OF THE HMIS ENTRY FORMS, YES.
>> OKAY. AND SO YOU MENTIONED THAT WE CAN'T FORCE SOMEONE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
AND SO WHAT ARE WE DESIGNING, WHAT ARE WE BUILDING THAT'S WRONG? WHAT ARE WE MISSING? WHY AREN'T PEOPLE OPEN TO THESE DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS? WHAT'S THE RESISTANCE? IS IT THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE OF WHAT PART OF TOWN THEY WANT TO LIVE IN CLOSE TO JOBS? BUT WHAT ELSE IS A BARRIER TO GETTING THESE UNITS FILLED?
>> SO I WOULD SAY THAT NOTHING THAT'S BEING BUILT IS WRONG.
IN FACT, WE KNOW THAT THE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS TO HOUSING WE HAVE ARE ALL HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
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AS, OF COURSE, ARE ALL THE ST. JUDE PROPERTIES.WHEN I SAY PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE, WHAT I MEAN IS JUST AS YOU SAID, PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE AND WHERE THEY LIVE BASED ON WHAT'S FAMILIAR TO THEM, WHERE THEIR DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS ARE.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE BIGGEST BARRIER THAT WE HAVE TO ALLOWING PEOPLE MORE CHOICE IS JUST COST.
PEOPLE MAY WANT TO LIVE IN AN AREA OF TOWN THAT'S JUST NOT AFFORDABLE FOR THEM, LET ALONE FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
BUT WITH THESE UNITS, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT IS THE ISSUE.
I'D SAY THE ISSUE IS JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE GOING INTO THESE UNITS. IT IS A PROCESS.
AS I SAID, IT'S ABOUT FROM PROGRAM ENROLLMENT TO HOUSING.
BUT FOR MORE THAN THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO GET THAT BREAKDOWN OF THE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS TO HOUSING AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER HANGUPS IN THERE.
>> OKAY. AND HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE WAITING LIST TO BE PLACED?
>> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THE SPREADSHEET, AND I THINK IT JUST TRACKS HOUSING PLACEMENTS, BUT I CAN ASK.
>> WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER, HOW DO WE KNOW HOW MANY UNITS WE SHOULD BE BUILDING?
>> THERE IS A PROJECTION, BUT THE PROJECTION IS BASED ON, AND I KNOW WE BROUGHT THIS THROUGH ONE OF THE COMMUNITY QUARTERLY UPDATES A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
THE UPDATE IS BASED ON OVER THE YEAR, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'VE SEEN FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS AND SELF-RESOLVE VERSUS THOSE WHO REALLY NEEDED THIS PROGRAM.
THEN THAT'S THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO BUILD.
WE NEED TO CREATE PLUS A BUFFER SO THAT WE ARE STAYING AHEAD OF THE PEOPLE FALLING INTO HOMELESSNESS, REMOVING MORE PEOPLE OUT OF HOMELESSNESS EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S HOW WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE YEAR-OVER-YEAR DECREASE.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
>> WHEN WE HAVE STAFF GOING OUT AND ENGAGING WITH INDIVIDUALS AT INTAKE, HOW ARE WE PAIRING PEOPLE UP WITH THEIR HOUSING NEEDS? WHAT QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED SO THAT WHEN THAT UNIT DOES BECOME AVAILABLE, WE KNOW HOW TO BETTER ASSIST IN THE MATCHING PROCESS?
>> A BUY NAME LIST IS FORMED, WHICH IS LITERALLY JUST A LIST OF PEOPLE BY NAME WITH SPECIFIC BARRIERS AND NEEDS.
THAT'S OF COURSE AFTER YOU HAVE BUILT THE TRUST FOR SOMEONE TO TALK, WHICH MIGHT TAKE A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS OR LONGER.
THEN AT THAT POINT, IT'S WORKING THROUGH THOSE BARRIERS WITH THEM.
IT COULD BE TAKING THEM TO THE STEWPOT TO GET AN ID OR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
IT COULD BE TAKING THEM TO A HOUSING APPLICATION WITH DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY OR SITTING DOWN WITH THEM TO FILL OUT A RENTAL APPLICATION.
WHEN THAT BY NAME LIST IS FORMED AND THEN LOCKED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW WHO'S ON SITE AND WHO'S JUST COMING IN AND OUT AND NOT REALLY HOMELESS OR MAYBE NEW.
AND HAS JUST SHOWN UP. THOUGH HOUSING NAVIGATORS FOR THE LARGER DECOMMISSIONING OR JUST FOR ANYONE WHO'S WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I'M JUST USING DECOMMISSIONING AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT THIS COULD BE SOMEONE IN A SHELTER FOR WHOM THE PROCESS IS MUCH FASTER.
>> WE KNOW WE NEED ABOUT THIS MANY UNITS AND SECURING ALL OF THOSE UNITS AND SAYING, HERE'S A LIST OF AVAILABLE UNITS THAT WE COULD APPLY TO WITH YOU.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? ALSO, YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN THAT APARTMENT APPLICATION PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ST. JUDE APPLICATION PROCESS IS, BUT YOU GUYS ALSO VET PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME IN, YOUR BACKGROUNDS ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AS WELL.
>> WE UTILIZE DHA'S RENTAL CRITERIA OR BACKGROUND CRITERIA FOR PROCESSING OUR APPLICATIONS.
>> HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO SECURE A UNIT?
>> WELL, AS I SAID, THE AVERAGE PROGRAM ENROLLMENT IS, ONCE WE MAKE CONTACT WITH YOU, IT'S ABOUT 100 DAYS TO HOUSING.
I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE HOUSING NAVIGATION TEAM HOW LONG IT TAKES TO BRING UNITS ONLINE.
BUT THEY'RE DOING THAT AS THE BY NAME LIST IS BEING FORMED TO CUT DOWN ON THE TIME LAG.
IT USED TO BE THAT AS WE BROUGHT PEOPLE ON, IT WAS, WELL, LET'S GO SECURE A UNIT FOR THEM.
NOW IT'S MUCH MORE THAT WE SECURE A STABLE OF UNITS SO THAT THAT CHOICE IS THERE AND WE CAN MOVE FASTER.
>> THE REASON I ASKED FOR THAT TIMELINE IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT THAT IT'S A TWO WEEK PERIOD TO ENGAGE AND BUILD THAT TRUST, BUT THEN I WAS HEARING SIX WEEKS TO FIND THAT UNIT THAT'S READY TO BE MATCHED WITH THEM.
I ALSO THOUGHT THAT SOME OF THAT TIME WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY UNITS AVAILABLE.
WE WERE TRYING TO EITHER LEASE THEM OUT OR BUILD THEM OUT.
BUT WHEN WE'RE SITTING HERE AND WE'RE SAYING WE DO HAVE UNITS AVAILABLE, WHY ISN'T THAT TIMELINE BEING CONDENSED?
>> LIKE I SAID, I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE DOING A STAT OF UNITS IN TERMS OF DIFFICULTIES INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE HOUSING NAVIGATION TEAM.
IT MAYBE THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS A PERFECT SYSTEM AND
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SOMETIMES THEY'RE STILL STRUGGLING TO BRING UNITS ONLINE.BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO FACTOR IN DOCUMENTATION THERE.
GETTING SOMEONE'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR ID TAKES TIME; IF THERE'S AN EVICTION THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK ON, THAT TAKES TIME.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT WHEN I'M GETTING THIS INFORMATION FOR YOU GUYS IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE MULTIPLE PATHWAYS TO HOUSING.
WHAT DOES THAT HOUSING NAVIGATION SECURING UNITS LOOK LIKE? THEN WHAT DOES THAT DOCUMENTATION PROCESS LOOK LIKE? JUST MORE OF AN IN DEPTH TIMELINE OF THE WHOLE THING FOR PEOPLE COMING OUT OF SHELTER AND FROM OFF THE STET.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'LL JUST END WITH THIS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AT THOSE BEST PRACTICES AND LOOKING AT THE MODELS OF THOSE TIME FRAMES BECAUSE 100 DAYS FOR SOMEONE TO CONTINUE LIVING ON OUR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, TO ME IT'S UNACCEPTABLE TO HAVE THEM CONTINUE TO LIVE WITHOUT A SAFE PLACE IN THE ELEMENTS WHERE THEY'RE OUT AND BEING VULNERABLE.
WITH THAT, IS THERE ANYONE FOR A SECOND ROUND? CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
>> THANK YOU. THE PROPERTY ADVANTAGE IS IN NORTH DALLAS.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT BEING IN NORTH DALLAS IS A DISADVANTAGE?
>> I DO NOT. WE HAVE PUBLIC TRANSIT NEARBY, VERY CLOSE BY.
THERE'S OTHER MULTI-FAMILY NEARBY AS WELL, NEIGHBORING US.
I DO NOT THINK IT'S A DETERRENT.
>> IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN ADVANTAGE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THEORETICALLY SAFER, HIGH QUALITY SCHOOLS, BLAH, BLAH.
KRISTINE, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT THE LOCATION COULD BE AN ISSUE.
WERE YOU SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION OR JUST AS A GENERALITY THAT SOMETIMES LOCATION IS A BARRIER?
>> AS A GENERALITY, AND DEFINITELY NOT BECAUSE THE LOCATION IS NICE OR NOT.
IT'S JUST IF YOU TAKE SOMEONE FROM FAR EAST DALLAS AND SAY I WANT TO PUT YOU IN NORTH DALLAS, THAT MIGHT BE FINE, BUT THEY ALSO MAY BE DEEPLY ATTACHED TO WHERE THEY ARE AND THAT NEWNESS IS SOMETHING THEY JUST ARE SAYING, NO, THAT'S MY BARRIER, I NEED TO STAY WHERE I AM.
>> WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU ACTUALLY, AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE RELUCTANT TO LEAVE A HOME CHURCH OR A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY GREW UP, WHERE THEY MAY HAVE FRIENDS OR FAMILY THAT THEY MAY NOT BE CONNECTED WITH NOW, BUT HAVE A SENSE OF SECURITY WITH.
I AGREE THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE THE AREA THAT THEY ORIGINATE FROM ASSUMING THEY'RE, OF COURSE, EVEN FROM DALLAS.
THE OTHER ITEM THAT CHAIR MORENO HAD ASKED FOR THAT I DIDN'T HEAR REPEATED WAS A NUMBER OF NAMES ON THAT BY NAME LIST.
>> YES. BY NAME LIST ARE SPECIFIC TO THE ENCAMPMENTS.
WHAT I NEED TO GET FOR YOU GUYS IS THE PREDICTED NUMBER THAT NEED TO BE HOUSED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COC HAS A BY NAME LIST, CORRECT?
>> WE HAVE BY NAME LIST THAT WE FORM PER ENCAMPMENT THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THAT ENCAMPMENT AND THEN YOU DON'T NEED THEM ANYMORE AFTER EVERYONE'S HOUSE.
IT'S A HOW MANY PEOPLE ON AN AVERAGE BASIS ARE GOING TO FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS VERSUS HOW MANY HOUSING SLOTS CAN WE CREATE SO THAT WE STAY ON TOP OF THAT NUMBER.
BUT THERE IS NO MASSIVE LIST LIKE THAT.
>> IN HMIS, YOU DON'T HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THE KNOWN PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY HOMELESS?
>> WE DO HAVE THAT, BUT THAT CAN'T BE SHARED WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A LICENSE TO BE ACTIVELY IN THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DESIGNATED USE TO BE AN HMIS.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY'S LOOKING FOR THE ACTUAL NAMES.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE NUMBERS.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, WE'LL JUST SAY, HOUSING READY, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS BUT NOT HOUSING READY FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SHELTER RESISTANT TO HOUSING.
I DIVIDE THAT UP IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW ANYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL NAME, BUT WE WANT TO GET A SENSE OF HOW MANY ARE IN EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS FOR VANTAGE, WHAT IS THE COST FOR AN EFFICIENCY THERE? LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A VOUCHER AND LET'S SAY YOU DON'T.
>> THE RENTS ARE THE SAME, REGARDLESS IF YOU HAVE A VOUCHER OR NOT.
THEY AVERAGE ABOUT 1,250 A MONTH, AND THAT'S ALL IN UTILITIES, INTERNET, EVERYTHING.
>> ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM D.
>> BRIEFING ITEM D IS AN UPDATE ON OUR HOUSING POLICY.
WE WE TOLD YOU THAT WE WOULD BRING YOU BACK AN UPDATE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR ON
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WHERE WE'RE AT WITH EACH OF THE INITIATIVES THAT IS GOING ON IN THE POLICY.>>THANK YOU, CHAIR. GLAD TO HEAR THAT HR&A IS HELPING WITH IMPLEMENTATION.
I AM CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE HOUSING TASK FORCE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I REMEMBER I'D ASKED FOR, AND I THINK OTHERS.
I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING A LIST.
HAS THERE BEEN A LIST PUBLISHED OF WHO'S ON IT?
>> YES. THERE'S A LIST, AND WE'LL BE SURE TO GET THAT CIRCULATED.
I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALREADY MET ONCE, MAYBE TWICE, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET THIS COMMITTEE OUT TO JOIN THEM AT ONE OF THE UPCOMING MEETINGS AS WELL.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. STILL MORNING.
NO CHAIR YET. WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING.
>> YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. SORRY, I THOUGHT I WAS CLOSE ENOUGH.
WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING TO DATE.
WE ARE STILL MAKING SURE EVERYBODY DOES NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AS SOON AS I HAVE ALL THAT CLEARED, I'LL SEND OUT A LIST TO YOU ALL.
THEN WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN ALL THE MEETINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
MY INTENT IS WE WILL HAVE THEM ALL AROUND TOWN AND INVITE THE APPROPRIATE COUNCIL MEMBER TO COME AND SAY SOME WELCOMING WORDS AS WELL, TALK ABOUT THAT DISTRICT WHEN WE'RE IN THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
BUT WE'LL GET THAT FULL LIST AND UPDATED CALENDAR TO YOU HERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE MINUTES OF THEIR MEETINGS OR DO WE?
>> YES. WE RECORD EVERYTHING THAT HAS TRANSPIRED AT THE MEETINGS, AND WE CAN REPORT OUT ON WHAT THE AGENDAS LOOK LIKE AS WELL.
>> JUST A FEW OTHER CONCERNS THAT HAVE COME UP ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE POLICY.
WE ADOPTED IT LAST YEAR AND I BROUGHT THESE UP BACK THEN.
I'M JUST GOING TO BRING THEM UP AGAIN.
THERE'S NOT A BASELINE HOUSING ACTIVITY DATA.
I'D ASK FOR THAT ON HOUSING PRODUCTION ON REPAIR OR ON PRESERVATION, AND THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO TRACK IT.
I THINK THAT THERE'S JUST HIGH IN THE SKY GOALS HERE WITHOUT THE ACTUAL TRACKING OF DATA.
WE BROUGHT THIS UP SEVERAL TIMES TODAY.
I JUST FEEL LIKE IN THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND GAPS, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW A POLICY CAN EXIST WITHOUT US HAVING GOALS, AND I THINK THAT THAT JUST GOES BACK TO WHAT I BROUGHT UP IN 2023.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE TASK FORCE THAT'S GOING TO SET THAT.
>> IF I MAY, SIR. THE GOALS HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE CITY RECEIVES FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT WE IMPLEMENT.
THOSE GOALS COME FROM HUD, WE SET THOSE WITH HUD, WE SET THOSE WITH OUR FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE RECEIVE, AND THE TYPE OF ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE DOING AT THE CAPS THAT WE PROVIDE THROUGH THE POLICY.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT AND WE HAVE A PRESENTATION COMING IN SEPTEMBER.
>> THAT GOES BACK TO MY POINT THOUGH.
IF WE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING BLANK CHECKS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT'S TIED TO, AND THIS WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSING PORTION OF THE BOND IS THERE WASN'T AN INDICATION BACKED UP BY DATA ON WHAT THE NEED WAS.
WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED. I DON'T THINK ANYONE DISPUTES THAT, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE FRUSTRATED AND CONTINUE TO BRING THIS UP UNTIL I SEE THAT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS. CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ALSO ASK FOR THIS LIST OF FOLKS ON THE TASK FORCE AND HOW REPRESENTATIVE THEY ARE.
MEANING WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL ABOUT DENSITY, STACKING A COMMITTEE BRINGING FORWARD THIS RECOMMENDATION.
IT NEEDS TO REALLY BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE VIEWS OF THE ENTIRE CITY.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH ANOTHER PACKED CHAMBER, AND WE'LL HAVE THIS SPLIT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT DALLAS TO BE HYPER DENSE VERSUS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY THEIR SINGLE FAMILY LIFE.
IF YOU ARE NOT INCLUDING MULTIPLE VIEWS ABOUT HOUSING, YOU'RE SETTING US UP FOR A VERY BAD SITUATION AND WASTING A LOT OF TIME.
I BELIEVE THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT CHAIR WEST IS ASKING FOR.
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY UNITS OF HOUSING ARE BEING BUILT.WE LITERALLY HAVE TO ISSUE PERMITS.
HOW HARD IS IT TO JUST PULL THAT INFORMATION? IT'S REGULARLY REPORTED BY DALLAS BUSINESS JOURNAL, MORNING NEWS, REALPAGE, METROTEX.
IT SEEMS LIKE AGGREGATING THAT INFORMATION SO WE CAN SEE, WELL, HOW MUCH ARE WE BUILDING, WOULD BE ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMPLE.
THE WORDS HOUSING CRISIS GETS SAID IN THIS ROOM A LOT, BUT THEN YOU READ ANY ONE OF THOSE JOURNALS OR PERIODICALS OR EVEN BLOG POSTS AND YOU GO, WOW, WE'RE BUILDING A LOT OF HOUSING.
MAYBE THE MOST IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IN THE GREATER DALLAS AREA.
THE QUESTION OF IF WE ACTUALLY ARE IN A HOUSING CRISIS, OR WE ACTUALLY MAYBE HAVE A GLUT IN SOME AREAS, WHICH EVEN CPAL SAYS, ACTUALLY YOU HAVE TOO MUCH IN CERTAIN PLACES.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CONTINUE TO POUR MORE MONEY INTO INITIATIVES.
WE LITERALLY JUST SAT HERE AND HEARD WE HAVE HOMELESS HOUSING THAT'S UNFILLED.
I WOULD SAY, WOW, THAT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT POLICY IMPLEMENTATION Y'ALL ARE WORKING ON.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, PLEASE STOP WITH POLICY AND JUST GET TO WORK AND DOING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ASKED YOU TO DO.
LIKE A LOT OF SPINNING OF THE WHEELS, AND IT'S NONSTOP.
IT'S LITERALLY NON STOP EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE THAT WE'VE HAD TO REVISE, RETHINK, AND WE JUST SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THAT INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY GETTING THE WORK DONE.
THOSE ARE MY TWO COMMENTS AND I PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE PROVIDE THAT.
WE'LL MAKE SURE TO GET THAT LIST OUT, AND I DO WANT TO JUST LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ AND I DID HELP WITH THE SELECTION OF THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR GUIDANCE ON MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS WELL ROUNDED AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY, BUT ALSO FROM PEER SUBJECT GROUPS.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WELL BALANCED, BUT IF WE CAN MAKE SURE TO GET THAT CIRCULATED, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THANK YOU GUYS. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO ITEM E.
>> ITEM E IS OUR QUARTERLY REPORT.
THAT'S A STANDARD REPORT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING YOU QUARTERLY.
>> I'M GOING TO GO TO MY LEFT THIS TIME.
CHAIR MENDELSOHN. CHAIR GRACIE.
CHAIR WEST. YOU GOT IT ANYWAYS.
>> THANKS. THAT'S FINE. ON THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS, JUST A QUESTION ON THIS ONE.
I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS OFFLINE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE HERE ON WHAT IS 4,071 UNITS? IS THAT THE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN PRODUCT PRE-DEVELOPMENT OR IS THAT THE TOTAL COMBINATION OF UNITS, MARKET RATE AND AFFORDABLE?
WE BREAK THEM OUT AFTER THEY'RE COMPLETED ON THE TOP LINE.
WE TELL YOU HOW MANY ARE AFFORDABLE AND HOW MANY ARE MARKET RATE.
>> GOT IT. I SEE THE NUMBER BELOW 1884 COMPLETED, AND THEN YOU BROKE IT DOWN IN THAT 162 VERSUS 1722.
THEN YOU POINT OUT BELOW HOW MUCH IS COMING INTO THE FEE IN LIEU VERSUS NEW UNITS.
WE HAVE 8.364 MILLION COMING INTO THE FEE IN LIEU?
>> CAN WE ADD TO THIS REPORT WHAT THE FEE IN LIEU DOLLARS ARE USED TO PROGRAM INTO SO WE HAVE THAT QUARTERLY?
>> A QUESTION, DO YOU WANT TO SEE WHERE WE PUT IT OR YOU WANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN USE IT?
>> I THINK WHERE WE PUT IT, AND IT MAY NOT FIT PERFECTLY INTO ONE OF THESE CHARTS, AT LEAST AT FIRST.
COME UP WITH WHATEVER YOU THINK WORKS BEST AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE OPINIONS ON THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT.
>> THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE GOT AND HOW YOU'VE DISTRIBUTED THE DISTRICTS THAT SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS HAVE PARTICIPATED IN.
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I THINK THAT THERE ARE TRENDS YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON BUILDING AWARENESS AROUND THE HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE HIP PROGRAM AND THAT THING IN DISTRICT 13.IF EVERYTHING'S EQUAL, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY IN MAKING THESE AWARDS TO SAY, WE'VE GOT SOME DISTRICTS THAT HAVE NEVER RECEIVED ANY OF THIS PROGRAM AND YET THERE IS A NEED IN THE DISTRICT OF PEOPLE WHO MEET THE CRITERIA? IS THERE ANY PART OF THAT SELECTION PROCESS WHERE THAT COMES INTO PLAY? IT APPLIES TO 1, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE TRY TO DO AS MUCH OUTREACH AS WE CAN IN ALL THE DISTRICTS.
THIS YEAR, WE HAD OUTREACH IN EVERY DISTRICT, WHICH HAS BEEN DIFFERENT THAN NORMALLY TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT.
TYPICALLY, WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OUTREACH AND TRY TO CAPTURE MULTIPLE DISTRICTS.
THIS YEAR, WE MADE MORE OF AN EFFORT TO BE IN EACH DISTRICT AND HAVE THAT PRESENCE.
WE ARE MOVING TO RANDOM SELECTION PROCESS THAN THE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
THAT GIVES PEOPLE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE.
SOME OF THE FUNDING SOURCES ALLOW US TO ADD ADDITIONAL CRITERIA TO IT LIKE THE SENIOR MONEY FROM LAST YEAR, WE'LL GIVE PRIORITY TO SENIORS WHO ARE 75 AND OLDER ADDRESSING SOME MORE OF THEIR THINGS.
WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY THAT WE HAVE SPECIFIC FOR GEOGRAPHIES, THAT'S HOW WE'RE ABLE TO PRODUCE MORE UNITS THERE.
OUR GENERAL HIP FUNDS COMING FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL BE USED CITYWIDE.
AT LEAST HALF OF THAT WILL GO TO OUR TARGET AREAS AS PART OF THE POLICY CHANGE THAT CAME IN JUNE.
THE OTHER HALF WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT WILL COME AT THAT RANDOM SELECTION.
AT THIS POINT, THERE'S NOT A PRIORITY FOR DISTRICTS THAT HAVE NOT HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT, BUT OUR OUTREACH AND THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS WE TAKE IN TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN THAT POOL TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
>> I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE MOVING TO THE RANDOM SELECTION.
I REALIZE, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST YEAR OF THE EXPANDED AWARENESS, WHICH I APPRECIATE BECAUSE THE ONE THAT I WENT TO IN DISTRICT 13 WAS WELL ATTENDED.
WELL, MAYBE NEXT YEAR, WE WILL SEE SOME OF THESE OTHER COLUMNS FILLING OUT.
>> AS WE LOOK TO IMPROVE ON THIS, WE'RE OPEN TO FEEDBACK AND LOOKING AT WHAT WORKED THIS YEAR, WHAT CAN WE ADD ON TO AND HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IN THIS AREA?
>> BUT LET ME ALSO ADD, COUNCIL WOMAN, EVEN THOUGH WE GET MONEY FOR SPECIFIC COUNCIL DISTRICTS, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS GET SPENT.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS BRING IN A LOT OF RESIDENTS FROM THOSE DISTRICTS.
THAT ISN'T A GOOD SOLUTION, JUST GIVING US MONEY FOR THE DISTRICT SPECIFIC.
IT REALLY IS ABOUT BUILDING UP TRUST, GOING OUT AND DOING MORE OUTREACH AND REALLY TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS IN THOSE AREAS TO BRING THEM IN.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM G. SORRY. CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
>> THANK YOU. I SEE THIS IS A VACANT PIECE OF LAND, BUT IT'S ADJACENT TO RAILROAD TRACKS, AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY CONSIDERATION TO SOUND ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
IT'S RIGHT AT A CROSSING AS WELL.
AND IF IT'S A QUIET ZONE, AND IF THERE ARE SOUND WALLS THAT ARE EXPECTED TO BE PUT UP.
>> WE HAVE ANAKIN HERE FROM HFC WHO CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROJECT ITSELF.
>> GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT IS ACTUALLY A DHA PROPERTY.
SO THEY JUST CAME TO THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY NEED A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION, WHICH THE CITY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO AUTHORIZE OR NOT AUTHORIZE.
THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL I'M NOT AWARE OF OR WHAT KIND OF PLANS THEY HAVE IN TERMS OF SOUND.
BUT AGAIN, THE CITY WILL NOT BE PARTNERING WITH THIS.
IT'S NOT A HFC PROPERTY, IT'S A DHA LED DEVELOPMENT.
ANY DESIGN DETAILS LIKE THAT, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE PRIVY TO WITHOUT FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
>> SURE. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE WILL BE DALLAS RESIDENTS, CORRECT?
>> RIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT, AND I THINK THAT WE STILL HAVE A GOVERNANCE ROLE IN MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
AND IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE THERE'S ANY KIND OF SOUND WALL IN THERE.
HOPEFULLY, THEY'RE PLANNING TO INSTALL THAT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> YES, COUNCIL WOMAN, LET ME ALSO SPEAK.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH DHA'S ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS,
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AND THEY DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH FULL ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW LIKE WE DO WITH OUR FEDERAL DOLLARS AND OUR PROJECTS, BUT I'LL REACH OUT TO DHA AND FIND OUT VERY SPECIFICALLY HOW THEY'RE HANDLING NOISE FOR THAT RAILROAD TRACK.>> THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT IS IF THE HOUSING COMES AFTER THE RAILROAD, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM UNLESS THERE'S A SOUND WALL FOR THE RESIDENTS. THANK YOU.
>> HAS THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS PROJECT?
>> THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO ME. YES, SIR.
>> AND THEN IS THIS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN? I KNOW IT'S ADJACENT TO SOME WATERWAY?
>> THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
YOU COULD NOT INSURE THAT PROPERTY.
>> THANK YOU. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO ITEM G. CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
>> THANK YOU. FOR THIS PROPERTY, IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TAX ROLLS.
WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF REVENUE THE CITY RECEIVES FROM IT?
>> YES. LET ME LOOK AT THIS HERE.
I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THIS. IT'S NOT 50%.
>> I'LL SAVE THE REST OF THOSE QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU.
>> ANYONE ELSE? ITEM H. CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
>> THANK YOU. FOR THIS PROPERTY, MY QUESTION IS, IS THE EXISTING PROPERTY, AND ARE WE REQUIRING THINGS.
IT'S GOT SOME WROUGHT IRON FENCING ON IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INTACT ALL THE WAY AROUND.
ARE WE ADDING ADDITIONAL LIGHTING AND CAMERAS? IS THERE A PLAYGROUND FOR THE PEOPLE?
>> SO I BELIEVE AS PART OF THE RENOVATION HERE, THIS ALSO IS NOT A HFC PROPERTY, SO I'M NOT COMPLETELY CLUED IN ON EVERY SINGLE DETAIL LIKE THAT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THAT.
PART OF THE RENOVATION, I THINK WILL INCLUDE SECURITY UPGRADES AND INSTALLATION OF GATES AND IMPROVING THE FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY.
>> SO WHEN I READ THE DESCRIPTION OF ALL THE ITEMS, I DIDN'T SEE SOME OF THAT.
AND WE'VE MADE A VERY STRONG INITIATIVE ABOUT LIGHTING, ESPECIALLY IN HIGH CRIME AREAS.
HAVE WE PULLED WHAT THE CRIME IS FOR THIS PROPERTY?
>> THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, I KNOW JUST IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE REASONING IS, THEY SAID, YEAH.
THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN PLAGUED BY CERTAIN TYPES OF CRIME.
SO A BIG REASON FOR WHY THEY WANT TO DO A LARGER RENOVATION ON THIS IS TO IMPROVE THAT TO BRING UP THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING IN THIS PROPERTY ARE SAFE AND SECURE.
>> INSTEAD OF TALKING TO DEVELOPER, CAN WE PULL THE STATISTICS FROM DPD BECAUSE I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FLAT CAMERAS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE SECURITY LIGHTING.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S A GATE FOR ENTRY.
IT JUST APPEARS THAT AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, THAT THERE IS MAYBE SIX FOOT LIVE WIRE FENCING AROUND IT, BUT IT MIGHT NEED EIGHT FOOT.
BUT THIS IS WHERE WE NEED TO GET SEPTAD IN THERE TO DO THE ANALYSIS.
THERE'S NO SENSE PUTTING IN NICE COUNTERTOPS AND ALL THE OTHER RENOVATIONS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE CRIME ISSUE.
IT'S A HIGH CRIME AREA. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. JUST IN GENERAL, THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT YOU REMINDED ME ON ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOME OF OUR EXISTING APARTMENTS WITHIN REALLY THE CITY.
BUT WITH ALL OF THESE INCENTIVES AND ALL OF THESE TOOLS THAT WE ARE OFFERING, ARE WE ABLE TO BASED ON CRIME STATISTICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TO CHAIR MENDELSOHN'S POINT SUGGEST OR RECOMMEND OR EVEN REQUIRE THE USAGE OF FLAT CAMERAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, I'M CAREFUL NOT TO USE A BRAND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT SECURITY MEASURES THAT WILL HELP NOT ONLY IMPROVE.
AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT THE LIFESTYLE,
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THE QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT THE SAFETY AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.ARE THERE PLANS IN ALL OF OUR TOOLS AND PRODUCTS TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY AS WE'RE APPROVING THESE DIFFERENT UNITS AND THINGS?
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER GRACIE.
YES. SO I CAN SPEAK FOR THE DHFC BOARD.
I KNOW THAT THEY ARE ALSO VERY KEYED INTO THIS PARTICULAR WORRY.
AND BEFORE THEY APPROVE ANYTHING, THEY MAKE SURE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND VET THAT AS WELL.
IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES, OBVIOUSLY, EVERYTHING IS UP TO DATE WITH THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF CODE.
I GUESS THAT WOULD FALL TO YOU ALL, IF YOU WANTED TO REQUIRE SOME EXTRA ENFORCEMENT ON BEEFING UP THOSE CODES AROUND THAT.
WE WOULD CERTAINLY ADHERE TO THAT.
BUT I KNOW IT IS ALWAYS A CONCERN OF THE HFC BOARD THAT SAFETY AND SECURITY IS ONE OF OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERNS HERE.
AND SO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ALWAYS BEING ASKED AND IF POSSIBLE AND IF NOT ALREADY IN THE PLANS, THOSE ARE ALWAYS REQUESTED OF THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN.
>> NO, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO CHAIR MENDELSOHN'S POINT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THE PROCESS IS, BUT IF WE COULD BRING THAT BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE TO REALLY START THINKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT.
>> YES. WHAT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WORKING ON FOR INCENTIVE PURPOSES, WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO SEE IN DEVELOPMENT AT MINIMUM.
WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDED HIGHER SECURITY AND FENCING REQUIREMENTS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT NOFA SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPERS BEFORE WE EVEN GO DOWN THE PATH.
THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TAKE A COUNCIL APPROVAL BECAUSE WE CAN PUT IT IN OUR APPLICATION.
>> CHAIR MENO. BECAUSE APARTMENTS ARE THE NUMBER ONE LOCATION OF CRIME IN OUR CITY BY FAR, BOTH INSIDE A UNIT AND ON THE PROPERTY, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE APARTMENTS OF A CERTAIN AGE WITH A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CRIME TO ACTUALLY BY REQUIREMENT, GO THROUGH AND ADD ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, CAMERAS, AND OTHER MEASURES.
PERHAPS I'M HAPPY TO WORK ON THIS TOGETHER. THANK YOU.
WE CAN SKIP ITEM I AND GO TO ITEM J. CHAIR, MENDELSON.
>> THANK YOU. SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ON THIS.
ONE OF THEM IS ITEM 26, WHICH IS ABOUT ACCEPTING THE 1 MILLION FROM DALLAS COUNTY FOR THE BRIDGE.
SO IT'S MY RECOLLECTION IN ALL MY YEARS ON COUNSEL, AS WELL AS ALL THE YEARS I'VE SERVED ON THE CITIZENS HOMELESS COMMISSION, THAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN $1,000,000 FROM DALLAS COUNTY, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> AND SO IN LOOKING BACK ACTUALLY AT THEIR BUDGET, IT SEEMS LIKE SINCE THE BRIDGE BEGAN, THEY HAVE DESIGNATED $1,000,000 TOWARDS OPERATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> SO IN THAT TIME, THEIR BUDGET HAS ALMOST DOUBLED AND THE CITY HAS CERTAINLY PROVIDED A LOT OF ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.
THIS YEAR, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO INCREASE OUR PAY TO STAY AMOUNT PER NIGHT.
HAS THERE BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH DALLAS COUNTY THAT PERHAPS THEY SHOULD BE PAYING MORE? IF YOU DO THE INFLATION CALCULATOR, THEY'D BE PAYING ABOUT 460,000 MORE A YEAR.
>> AND I'M LOOKING TO SEE YOU. I KNOW DOCTOR WOODY WAS HERE EARLIER.
I DO BELIEVE WELL, DOCTOR WOODY HAS OR THE BRIDGE HAS BEEN HAVING SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT INCREASING THAT AMOUNT.
BUT AT THIS POINT, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING DEFINITIVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN TERMS OF HOW THAT COULD AFFECT THE AMOUNT THAT THEY SENT TO US.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS WE CAN TALK TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES OVER ON DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSION.
>> CHAIR MENDELSOHN, IF YOU DON'T MIND DOING ONE AT A TIME BECAUSE THAT WAY, I HAVE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S ALL NUMBER 26. SO I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THE AMOUNT IS ONLY 1 MILLION AND HAS REMAINED THAT WAY FOR THIS MANY YEARS SINCE THE BRIDGE BEGAN.
FOR ITEM NUMBER 27, THAT YOU SET ASIDE.
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DOES THAT USUALLY COME THROUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS OR IS THAT GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE?>> IT USUALLY COMES THROUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
YES. THE TDHCA COMES TO US AND THEN IS DIVIDED OUT THROUGH RFPS.
>> ON ITEM 26, SIMILAR QUESTIONS, LOOKING AT HISTORICAL DATA FROM THE COUNTY AND LOOKING AT THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE BRIDGE AS THAT'S GONE UP.
ALSO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE MILLION DOLLARS ARE UNRESTRICTED FUNDS, IS THAT ACCURATE AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? CAN THEY BE SPENT IN PERSONNEL? CAN THEY BE OPERATIONAL DOLLARS?
>> THEY'RE OPERATIONAL DOLLARS, CORRECT.
>> MADAM DIRECTOR. I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE SECOND QUESTION?
>> IF THEY'RE UNRESTRICTED WITHIN OPERATION.
>> I CAN LOOK AT IT FURTHER, BUT I KNOW IT'S PART OF OPERATION, YOU'RE ASKING SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE THE OPERATIONAL DOLLARS.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THE COUNTY HAS ANY PRIORITIES THERE.
IF THEY'RE JUST SAYING, HERE'S $1 MILLION.
>> IT'S JUST FOR THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY.
ON 27, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYONE.
I'M GOING TO SKIP THAT ONE. ON 28, IS THIS JUST FOR THIS PROGRAM THAT WE'RE AMENDING THE CONTRACT, OR IS THAT FOR THE ENTIRE CONTRACT WITH THE BRIDGE?
>> ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE 149,000 FOR HOUSING ON 29? THAT'S JUST FOR THAT CONTRACT IS FOR ESG FUNDING.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE? IS THAT IT? I THINK THAT'S IT.
THE TIME IS NOW 11:21, AND OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.