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[Landmark on September 3, 2024.]
AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.IT IS, UH, 1 0 4 IN THE AFTERNOON ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, AND I AM CALLING THIS, UH, MEETING TO ORDER.
I'M EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR.
OUR VICE CHAIR IS COMM OF WONDERFUL COMMISSIONERS HERE WITH US THIS AFTERNOON TO GET THROUGH OUR WORK.
LET US BEGIN BY TAKING A ROLL CALL OF THOSE WONDERFUL COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO.
COMMISSIONER COX? DISTRICT 11.
COMMISSIONER, GUEST COMMISSIONER JIM ANDERSON.
PRESIDENT COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
AND CPC LEAH IS ON JOANNA HAMPTON.
UM, IT IT, FIRST LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WHO'S SITTING IN THIS ROOM HAS FILLED OUT ONE OF THESE FORMS AND GIVEN IT TO US IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK, BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE, HAVE THAT.
ALRIGHT THEN WE USUALLY, UM, HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS FROM OUR VICE CHAIR ABOUT THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE DOCKET, WHICH WE REARRANGED TO REFLECT THE NUMBER OF THE CASES THAT HAVE THE MOST SPEAKERS SO THAT THEY CAN GET DONE FIRST.
BUT WE HAVE A GIANT PILE OF YELLOW SLIPS TODAY, SO IT'S TAKING HER A MOMENT TO REARRANGE ALL OF THOSE AND THEN WE'LL BE READY.
I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE THE, UM, AGENDA FOR TODAY AS FOLLOWS, WE'LL START WITH CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, SEVEN AND EIGHT, FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEMS SIX AND CONSENT ITEM NINE.
AND WE'LL MOVE TO OUR COURTESY REVIEW BEGINNING WITH COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER 2 4 1 3.
AND OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS WILL BE DISCUSSION ITEM 4 9 1 2 3 5.
LET ME, LET ME DO THE DISCUSSION ITEM OVER AGAIN.
I HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM 11 UP HERE.
SO WE'LL START WITH DISCUSSION ITEM 11, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR, THEN DISCUSSION ITEM 9 1 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 7, ENDING WITH NUMBER 10, SECOND MS. 7, 8, 9.
SO WE HAVE WHO, WHO SECONDED THAT WAS THAT? COMMISSIONER.
OKAY, MR. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
SO NOW DO WE HAVE AN MOTION, AN MOTION, A MOTION ABOUT SOME OF OUR CONSENT ITEMS? UH, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, SEVEN, AND
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EIGHT.AND BEFORE WE SECOND THAT, LET ME ASK IF THERE ARE ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP WHO NEEDED TO PRESENT NEW INFORMATION ON ONE OF THOSE RATHER THAN ARE JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE WHAT STANDING NOW IS WHAT? WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY WERE ON THE DOCKET.
SO NO ONE IS RAISING THEIR HAND.
WHO, WHO WILL SECOND THAT MOTION? SECOND.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HAS SECONDED THIS MOTION.
ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, SO THOSE HAVE CARRIED TO BE, UM, WE HAVE RULED ON THEM TO GO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WELL NEXT WE'LL TAKE CONSENT.
SO COMMISSIONER OFFIT WILL NEED TO RECUSE HIMSELF AS COMMISSIONER OFFIT OFFIT.
HAVE YOU TURNED COMMISSIONER OFFIT? WELL, HE IS NOT LISTENING.
UH, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING CONSENT TO ITEM SIX AND WHO IS SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS SECONDED THAT MOTION.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, SOMEONE PLEASE TEXT COMMISSIONER OFFIT IF HE DOES NOT TURN HIS SPEAKER BACK ON.
AND THAT LEAVES US WITH C NINE, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT MOTION WILL BE MADE BY COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF, UM, CONSENT ITEM 9 1 0 6 SOUTH WILLAMETTE, I MOVE TO APPROVE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE USE OF ASIAN JASMINE BE LIMITED TO THE PARKWAY, THE ROLLING PORTION OF THE LAWN NEAR THE PARKWAY ONLY, AND THE, AND THE SIDE YARDS.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THIS LIMITED USE OF A WOODY VINE, AKA ASIAN JASMINE IS APPROPRIATE YET STILL SUPPORTS THE EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THE CONTINUITY OF THE BLOCK FACE AND SERVES TO PRESERVE THE TURF IN ORDER TO AVOID AN ADVERSE EFFECT UPON THE PROPERTY, THE BLOCK ITSELF AND THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.
THAT WAS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WHO SECONDED THAT MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND STAFF WILL CONVEY TO THAT APPLICANT THE, THE TERMS THAT HAVE BEEN, THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED UPON THEIR APPROVAL.
SO NEXT ON OUR LIST IS, UH, COURTESY REVIEW TWO.
COURTESY REVIEW TWO IS LOCATED AT 2 27 0 6 HIBERNIA STREET IN THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT CR 2 34 DASH 0 2 3 MW.
I'M MARCUS WATSON PRESENTING THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONS TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW.
NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONS TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE, BE CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
AND WE HAVE NOT YET HAD A COMMISSIONER VOLUNTEER TO READ THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS WHO WILL VOLUNTEER TO DO THIS TASK.
COMMISSIONER GAY, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE ON
IT'S GOTTA FIND IT IN HIS GIANT AGENDA, I GUESS.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK COURTESY REVIEW, SUPPORTIVE.
WELL, THAT WAS MATIC ALL THAT ALREADY.
WE ALSO DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE.
GARY SCOTT NIKKI, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
LET'S MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS ON STEPH.
WE'LL SEE IF IT LOOKS ON AND, YOU KNOW, WE MUST BEGIN WITH YOU STATING YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PROMISE US YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH.
UH, GARY SCOTT, NICKY ON THE 43 10 UNIVERSITY BOULEVARD AND, UH, I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOME IN SOME SUPPORTING INFORMATION OR ARGUMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT TO US, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
WELL, I, I HAVEN'T BROUGHT ANYTHING NEW AND I I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE OWNERS OF THE HOUSE, UM, DEBORAH AND ALLIE, MS. LEVI.
AND, UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE, THE REASON THAT THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THIS HOUSE WAS BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE SISTER GOING TO BE MOVING IN WITH THEM SHORTLY OR IN THE NEAR TERM.
AND THIS IS TO EXPAND THE HOUSE SO THEY CAN
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HANDLE THAT.WE DIDN'T KNOW WHY, WHY THAT WAS TAKING PLACE.
ALRIGHT THEN IF YOU ARE JUST READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS NOW, LET US GIVE IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND SEE WHO MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
AND REMEMBER, THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, SO WE'RE TALKING BACK AND FORTH NICELY TRYING TO HELP EACH OTHER.
WE ALWAYS TALK NICELY, BUT WE'RE EVEN MORE FRIENDLY ABOUT COURTESY REVIEWS 'CAUSE THEY'RE COURTEOUS AND WE WANT TO HELP YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK AND ALSO SERVES THE PURPOSE OF OUR HISTORIC ION.
YEAH, I GUESS EVERYONE'S TOTALLY AWARE THAT THIS WAS A HOUSE BUILT IN ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.
I KNOW I'M ALL SITTING IN, SO YES, WE ARE AWARE.
IT IS, IT IS A NEW BUILD THAT IS THEREFORE NOT A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY, BUT MUST REMAIN COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMISSIONER RENO, DID I SEE YOU? YES.
UH, JUST OUTTA QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, I I NOTICED THAT, UM, THE ADDITION IS GONNA HAPPEN IN A, IN A MECHANICAL WELL TODAY, OR AT LEAST IT LOOKED LIGHT AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH.
I'M SORRY, THE ADDITION ON THE BACK, THE SECOND STORY, UM, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS THE BEDROOM SPACE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE AERIAL, UH, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A NUMBER OF, UH, PIECES OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT UP THERE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT MIGHT BE RELOCATED.
WELL, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS, UH OH, IS THAT FURNITURE? OUTDOOR FURNITURE, OKAY.
SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED THAT EARLIER IN THE, YEAH, THE IDEA HERE WAS THAT THAT DECK WAS REALLY WAY TOO LARGE FOR THEIR PURPOSES.
AND SO WE ARE EXPANDING THE, THE HOUSE FORM ON TOP OF THAT DECK TO CREATE AN EXERCISE ROOM AND A COVERED PORCH.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE ELEVATIONS.
IT MAKES, THAT, MAKES COVERED PORCH WOULD OVERLOOK THE POOL.
UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE KEBANA AT THE BOTTOM THAT THE, THE SWIMMERS AND WE'RE ADDING THAT AND THE EXISTING PORT TO SHARE IS BEING ABSORBED TO CREATE MORE KITCHEN, PANTRY AND LAUNDRY.
IT HAS A CURIOUS CIRCULATION PATTERN ON THAT FLOOR.
SO, UH, WE ARE BUILDING ONE NEW BRICK COLUMN ON THE CORNER THERE THAT YOU SEE UPPER LEFT, ONE OF THE YELLOW AREA.
AND THAT IS BECOMING THE PORT CASHIER EXTENDED FORWARD TO THE OFFSET ON THE SIDE OF THE FACADE.
UM, AND THE FLAT ROOF JUST KIND OF CONTINUES OUT THERE AND LANDS ON THAT COLUMN.
AND SO THE EXISTING SHARE, AS YOU CAN SEE BECOMES PANTRY AND
AND THEN BEHIND THAT THERE WAS AN OPEN TO THE SKY DRIVEWAY AREA BECAUSE THERE'S A GARAGE DOOR ON THAT SIDE OF THE GARAGE AS WELL AS THE ALLEY SIDE.
AND WE ARE EXTENDING FLAT ROOF ACROSS THAT TO CREATE A WORKSHOP.
AND SO BECAUSE OF ALL THIS IS HAPPENING WELL BEYOND THE FRONT FACADE, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A, AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE SPACE.
UH, THE BALCONY THAT OVERLOOKS THE POOL, WE ARE EXPANDING TO CREATE A SLIGHTLY LARGER RECREATIONAL HENLEY ROOM SPACE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THEN AT THE VERY TOP WE'RE DOING A HALF BATH UNDER ROOF, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE, UH, FOR THE SOLARIUM, I GUESS IT IS.
YEAH, THE, THE SKYLIGHT SOLARIUM ADDITION THAT WAS BUILT NOT TOO LONG AGO, 10 YEARS AGO.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WORK GOING ON IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES ON THIS PROJECT.
AND THE, THE PART THAT YOU DON'T SEE IS SORT OF THE CONVERSION OF SOME OF THE INTERIOR OF THE BEDROOM ARRANGEMENT TO CREATE A SUITE INSTEAD OF TWO SEPARATE BEDROOMS. SO THERE'S SOME WORK INSIDE THAT'S GOING ON AS WELL.
AND WE ARE ESSENTIALLY BEING, UH, RESPECT RESPECTFUL FOR THE, THE DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT WAS SELECTED WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT THIS.
AND WE'RE JUST EXTENDING THE COLOR PALETTE USING THE EXISTING COLORS AND TRIM.
WE WILL HAVE A FEW NEW WINDOWS, BUT THEY WILL BE JUST LIKE THE ONES THAT WERE USED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND UH, BUT THEY'RE MOSTLY ON THE SIDE YARD THERE.
YOU CAN'T SEE ANY OF THIS WORK FROM THE FRONT HARDLY AT ALL.
JUST MAYBE THE BRICK COLUMN FOR THE PORK FISH YET COMING FORWARD.
EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE SO FAR BACK THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU WON'T REALLY BE ABLE TO SEE UP IN THE STREET.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, SINCE THIS IS A COURTESY REVIEW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE QUESTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS YOU'D LIKE TO EXPRESS OR SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW TO IMPROVE THIS PROPOSED, PROPOSED PLAN? MY GOODNESS.
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SAID YOU'RE GONNA USE THE SAME, IT'S ALL GONNA LOOK THE SAME.ARE YOU ABLE TO GET THE SAME MATERIALS MATCHING THE ORIGINAL HOUSE STILL? WELL, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE THE EXACT BRICK THAT WAS USED.
THERE WAS NO RECORD OF THE YARD THAT THEY, THAT'S ALWAYS THE HARD ONE, ISN'T IT? THE BRICK.
SO WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN, BUT REALLY THE ONLY NEW BRICK WE'RE ADDING IS THAT SINGLE COLUMN IN THE FOR SHARE THAT WE'RE EXTENDING ALL THESE, UH, ELEVATIONS ARE THE YELLOW AREA IS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION EMBEDDING INTO THE EXISTING WORK THAT YOU SEE HERE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, IT GETS BIGGER IN THE BACK, BUT, AND IT'S, IT'S IN CLOSING A BALCONY, BUT THAT'S ALL VERY PRIVATE AND YOU KNOW, COURTYARDY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO INTRODUCE REALLY NEW MATERIALS AND COLORS WITH THIS IDEA OF EXTENDING, EXTENDING THIS HOUSE.
SO THE, ESSENTIALLY THE BRACKETS AND THE EAVES AND ALL THAT, WERE TRYING TO REPLICATE THE WAY THEY DID IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
ARE NO COMMISSIONERS FEELING A NEED TO SPEAK? BECAUSE IF NOT, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY TELLING THEM THIS IS READY TO GO TO A FORMAL CA APPLICATION IN THE FUTURE.
AND IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND BETWEEN NOW AND THEN YOU WILL LOOK BAD.
ALRIGHT THEN IT APPEARS THAT YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB,
WHICH IS NO PROMISE, BUT DO COME BACK AND SEE US TO GET YOUR OFFICIAL CA AND UM, OKAY.
HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE NO DIFFICULTY THEN WE WILL MOVE AHEAD THEN.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT WAS COURTESY REVIEW TWO.
AND WE DO HAVE OPEN, WE HAD TWO SPEAKERS, THEY DECIDED TO COME HERE BUT THEY WERE ALREADY ON OUR LIST TOO.
COURTESY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED AT 1510 WEST JEFFERSON BOULEVARD IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CR 2 34 DASH 24 MWI AM MARCUS WATSON.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING MULTIFAMILY BUILDING STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW.
NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT A REQUEST FOR A COURTESY REVIEW TO RENOVATE THE EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING.
BE CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW, TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW, GENERAL, GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS ARE THERE LOOMING REQUIREMENTS NEED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO SEE IF PLAN FOR THIRD FLOOR IS EVEN POSSIBLE.
THREE STORIES WOULD CHANGE FABRIC OF NEIGHBORHOOD TWO STORIES IS BETTER.
PARAPET WITH FLAT ROOF IS BETTER THAN ASYMMETRICAL ROOF FOCUS ON ON MASSING DETAILS NOT MADE UP HISTORY.
AND WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS.
THE FIRST IS FERNANDO MARTINEZ.
I BELIEVE WE'VE MET YOU BEFORE.
WHICH MEANS YOU KNOW, THE DRILL, YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, YOUR PROMISED TO TELL THE TRUTH.
FERNANDO MARTINEZ, UH, ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YOURS ACTUALLY, BUT OH MY ADDRESS.
WE PROMISE NOT TO DROP BY AND VISIT.
AND, UM, WHAT ELSE I HAVE TO SAY? GUESS, UH, YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT SIR, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU JUST, ANYTHING UM, YEAH, YOU LIKE, TELL US YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, I THINK, UH, OUR MAIN GOAL TO DO THIS COURTESY REVIEW, UM, IT'S BASICALLY FOR THE THIRD FLOOR, UH, THAT WAS LIKE OUR MAIN PURPOSE OF APPROACHING THIS.
UM, WE OWN THIS BUILDING FOR, UH, A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
AND, UH, WHEN WE ACQUIRED IT, IT CAME WITH A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH OUR TENANTS.
WE DECIDED TO VACATE THE BUILDING COMPLETELY AND BASICALLY WE'RE, UH, TRYING TO REVIEW OUR OPTIONS TO SEE WHAT WE DO WITH THE NEXT.
NOW, UM, FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE THIRD FLOOR MADE MORE MORE SENSE.
UM, IF WE WERE TO DO A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION, LIKE FULL RENOVATION OF THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR, UH, WE HAD TO ACQUIRE MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, NOW, UH, OUR MAIN GOAL WAS TO DO THAT.
NOW WHEN WE MET WITH HISTORIC TASK FORCE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF CAME BACK AND, UH, THE OWNER AS OF NOW HAS DECIDED TO NOT APPROACH THE THIRD FLOOR.
UH, BUT HE WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS HAD TO SAY 'CAUSE THE DECISION IS NOT FINAL.
UM, BUT HE WANTED TO KIND OF SAY, UH, SEE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE THIRD FLOOR.
WE DID MEET WITH THE CITY ON THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, UH, TO GO OVER ALL THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND ZONING AND ALL THOSE THINGS AS WELL.
AND, UH, BASICALLY THEY APPROVED THOSE, THOSE THINGS.
OF COURSE THEY SAID WE HAVE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC THING FIRST BEFORE THEY, THEY GIVE US LIKE THE FINAL CLEAR,
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YOU KNOW.UM, SO FOR US, I THINK WE WANTED TO RENOVATE IT TO LOOK SOMEWHAT MORE HISTORIC THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND IT WAS AT SOME POINT RENOVATED TO LOOK SOMEWHERE EIGHTIES BUILT OR SO, I I BELIEVE, OR NINETIES.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THE TIME PERIOD.
UM, SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, WE WANTED TO DO A THIRD FLOOR AND RENOVATE THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
UM, NOW THE OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO APPROACH IT IF HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIKE, FOR SURE CLARITY THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT THIRD FLOOR.
UM, SO IT KIND OF STAYED THERE.
AND RIGHT NOW HE JUST TOLD ME TO COME HERE AND BASICALLY GET THE FEEDBACK FROM EVERYONE HERE AND, UH, THOUGHTS AND BASICALLY GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION, UM, WHEN TIME COMES.
THAT'S WHAT A COURTESY REVIEW IS FOR.
AND WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER SIGNED UP FOR ANY ROBLES.
UH, MY WIFE'S DUE DATE WAS TODAY, SO I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO MAKE IT TODAY.
BUT SHE GAVE BIRTH LAST WEEK, SO WE'RE GOOD.
AND, AND THE BOY'S NAME? UH, FERNANDO ANDRES.
UH, WELL THAT'LL BE EASY FOR HER TO REMEMBER AND SHE CAN CALL BOTH OF YOU AT THE SAME TIME.
WHO HAS COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? HE'S MADE IT CLEAR THEY REALLY WANNA KNOW ABOUT THAT THIRD FLOOR COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, AS A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FOUNDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND HAVING PLAYED A ROLE IN SEEKING HISTORIC DESIGNATION IN THE FIRST PLACE BACK IN, WELL, STARTING IN THE SEVENTIES, BUT THEN TAKING PLACE IN 81, UM, MY PROFESSIONAL WORK IS INVOLVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TOO, AS A HISTORIC HOUSE SPECIALIST, LICENSED REALTOR, UM, SINCE 1995.
I PERSONALLY KNOW OF, KNOW OF NO THREE STORY BUILDINGS IN THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MAJOR STRUCTURES THAT, UM, THEY DO HAVE CONDITION SPACE, BUT IT'S ONLY IN A DORMANT ATTIC.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T APPEAR IN THIS THREE STORY ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT.
UM, SO I HONESTLY AM NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I CAN'T SEE HOW IT'S POSSIBLE TO TAKE THIS, UM, GARDEN APARTMENT, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT.
UM, THAT MIGHT NOT BE A PROPER NAME.
DAVID PROBABLY KNOWS IT BETTER THAN I DO, BUT, UM, I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN BE RETROFITTED INTO A DIFFERENT STYLE.
UM, AND I WONDER, UM, WHY YOUR OWNERSHIP HASN'T CONSIDERED MAYBE STARTING FROM SCRATCH SEEKING TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THIS BUILDING AND BUILD SOMETHING IN ITS PLACE THAT'S FAR MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICT.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW THIS, THIS BUILDING IS MORE THAN MERELY INCOMPATIBLE.
IT WAS DEEMED TO BE ONE OF THE INTRUSIVE BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT, MEANING IT HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC HOUSING STOCK.
SO HAS YOUR OWNERSHIP EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? UM, I'LL BE HONEST, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED, UH, REMOVED IT, LIKE DEMOING IT COMPLETELY AND STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
UM, OF COURSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'LL BRING BACK TO THE TABLE AND DISCUSS IT WITH THE OWNER OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE DO KNOW THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH, UH, LOSING OUR CONFIRMING RIGHTEOUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THAT IF WE DEMO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU'LL POTENTIALLY LOSE THOSE RIGHTS.
UM, BUT UM, YEAH, I THINK, UH, THIS IS WHY I'M HERE.
AND, UH, I THINK, UH, WHEN WE HAD THE TASK FORCE MEETING, I THINK THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO SOME NEIGHBORING HOUSES AS WELL.
AND THE THIRD FLOOR WOULD BASICALLY BE SOMEWHAT, I GUESS, UM, I GUESS PRIVACY, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEIGHBORING, UH, HOUSING, UH, STRUCTURES WOULD BE VERY LIKE, WELL, YOU ALREADY HAVE A TWO STORY BUILDING NEXT TO THEM.
NOW YOU'RE ADDING A THIRD FLOOR WITH WINDOWS AS WELL TOWARDS THEIR BACKYARD AND THEIR, UH, HOUSE AS WELL.
SO, UH, WE DID GET THOSE FEEDBACK FROM TASK FORCE AND UH, I WILL BRING THIS BACK TO THE OWNER AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE HIM THAT OPTION AS WELL.
NOT TELL HIM THAT WE SAID HE HAS THE RIGHT TO TEAR IT DOWN.
HE HAS A PATTERN OF GETTING AHEAD OF HIMSELF ANYWAY.
WE, THIS WOULD NEED TO BE APPROACHED WITH CAUTION.
YOU'D HAVE TO FIRST EXAMINE WHAT THAT UNDERLYING ZONING IS FOR THAT PARTICULAR TRACK.
I KNOW FOR A FACT WHAT IT WAS, UM, WHEN THAT LOT WAS DEVELOPED, THAT LOT USED TO BE
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THE LOT, UM, WHERE JAY WATTIE TATE LIVED.HE WAS A CITY OF DALLAS MAYOR.
AND IT WAS A WINDERMERE ADDRESS, IT WASN'T A JEFFERSON ADDRESS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD RESORT BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY OR WHAT, BUT UM, IF YOU WERE TO BE ALLOWED TO DO AN APARTMENT BUILDING THERE, THEN YOU COULD START FROM SCRATCH AND TAKE YOUR QUEUE FROM SOME OF THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE AND PROBABLY GET FARTHER, BUT PROBABLY ALSO NEVER GET A THIRD FLOOR IS WHAT I'M PREDICTING HERE.
UM, AND IF I'M NOT ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, I'LL PROBABLY COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, AS LONG AS I'M ON THE COMMISSION, I'LL BE VERY VOCAL OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN IN REGARDS TO THE THIRD FLOOR, WE DID, UH, CONDUCT INSPECTIONS WITH, UH, UH, UH, STRUCTURE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS.
UM, SO ALL OF THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO OUR EVEN PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, UH, TO SEE IF WE CAN EVEN ACHIEVE THAT THIRD FLOOR, UH, WITH THE CURRENT FOUNDATION.
AND, UH, THERE IS A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, A STRUCTURAL WORK TO THE FOUNDATION TO BASICALLY SUSTAIN THAT THIRD FLOOR.
UM, BUT WE WERE PREPARED TO DO THOSE THINGS TO ADD THAT TO THE REPORT.
BUT, UH, WE DID DISCUSS WITH ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS AS WELL.
WELL, WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS THESE CONCEPTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US IN THE APPLICATION SAYS THAT THIS IS MISSION, THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A MISSION STYLE THAT'S NOT MISSION STYLE.
NONE OF THOSE CONCEPTS SHOWN IN MISSION STYLE.
THERE IS ONE MISSION STYLE APARTMENT BUILDING I KNOW OF IN THE DISTRICT, AND IT'S AT FOUR 18 NORTH CLINTON.
IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE KESSLER THEATER.
IT'S VERY INTERESTING, UM, AND NOTEWORTHY.
SO PERHAPS YOUR ARCHITECTS MIGHT LIKE TO GO PUT THEIR GAZE ON THAT IF THEY REALLY WANNA KNOW WHAT MISSION STYLE IS.
SO I'LL, I'LL BE HONEST, UM, WE WERE BASICALLY JUST TRYING TO SHOW THE THIRD FLOOR.
WE, WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO GET TOO INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN FOR THIS COURTESY REVIEW.
AND I KNOW IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE TASK FORCE ALSO REQUESTED US TO PROVIDE MORE OF THE MATERIAL THAT WE WILL BE USING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THAT THEREFORE WAS, UH, I GUESS APPROACHABLE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
EVEN WE UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE WE EVEN APPLY FOR THE CA WE HAVE TO GET ALL THESE DESIGN THINGS IN PLACE FIRST US AND WE WANTED TO MEET WITH THE TASK FORCE, AND THIS IS A BIG BUILDING IN THE JEFFERSON SLASH WINDOW MIRROR AREA.
AND WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT IT'S PART OF THIS AND ARCHITECTS THAT CAN HELP US REDESIGN THE PA SHOT OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, SO IT CAN LOOK MORE COMPATIBLE.
UM, AND WE DIDN'T REALLY TELL THE ARCHITECT THAT WAS WORKING ON THIS TO, TO DO IT A CERTAIN WAY.
HE DID IT A CERTAIN WAY THAT HE CHOSE IT BASICALLY JUST TO SHOW US SOMETHING THAT HAS A THIRD FLOOR.
UH, BUT IDEALLY WE DIDN'T WANNA SHOW ANY, I THINK HE DID LIKE SPANISH TILE, UH, TILES ON THE ROOF, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW WE DIDN'T WANNA, UH, UH, BASICALLY APPROACH FOR THE FINAL DESIGN.
SO NONE OF THESE FINAL, THIS DESIGNS WEREN'T FINAL AT ALL.
UH, YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE YOU SOME TIME AND ENERGY AND TROUBLE.
KEEP SOME THINGS IN MIND AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT WE DO HAVE ARCHITECTS HERE ON THE COMMISSION WHO CAN GIVE YOU SOME GOOD ADVICE, I THINK.
UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UH, THERE ARE REALLY, SINCE THERE ARE NO THREE STORY BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT, ADDING A THIRD FLOOR WOULD NOT BE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
AND PARTICULARLY THIS BUILDING IS UNUSUAL FOR SOME OTHER REASONS.
IT ISN'T SQUARE OR TRAPEZOIDAL, SO, UM, ADDING A ROOF WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT, A PITCHED ROOF LIKE A HIP OR A GABLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SQUARE, SO IT MAY NEED TO BE ROOF BUILDING.
I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH MS. SHERMAN AGAIN THAT IT MAY BE BETTER TO START BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS NOT SQUARE.
AND I THINK TRYING TO TAKE THIS KIND OF FUNKY 1960S OR SEVENTIES BUILDING, WHICH MAY WORK AT THE TIME AS TRAPEZOID A A SQUARE BUILDING IN A TRAPEZOIDAL SHAPE, I THINK IT'S GONNA ALWAYS BE AWKWARD LOOKING AND I THINK DIFFICULT TO MAKE IT ACTUALLY WORK WITHOUT DRAWING ATTENTION TO, IT'S UNUSUAL.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
ANYONE ELSE? I JUST WANTED TO, AS COMMISSIONER IO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A FEW THINGS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET EVEN A PARTIAL THIRD FLOOR.
UM, AND SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE PLANS IS AS, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON
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HAS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU AND I KNOW THE PROPOSALS WERE GIVEN OR LOOKING LIKE, UH, SYMMETRICAL ELEVATIONS WHEN IN FACT THEY'RE NOT.UM, AND SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CHALLENGE THERE TRYING TO BALANCE IT AND MAKE IT, MAKE IT LOOK CORRECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU DID APPROACH TRYING TO GET A THIRD STORY, IT WOULD HAVE TO FALL WITHIN A ROOF SHAPE RATHER THAN IN A, IN A, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT VERTICAL WALL.
SO YOU CAN'T TAKE THE, THE FULL FOOTPRINT, UM, ONTO THE THIRD FLOOR.
SO THAT'S GONNA PRESENT A MEAN, NOT NEC NOT AN INSURMOUNTABLE CHALLENGE, BUT IT WILL, IT WILL BE ONE AS WELL.
UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT, UM, A SLOPED ROOF ON A, ON A TRAPEZOID, UM, IT CAN BE DONE.
UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME VERY CREATIVE DESIGN IDEAS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I JUST THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES, UH, THAT MAY PROVE TO BE ON, UH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THE, THE RETURN THAT YOU'RE HOPING FOR.
YEAH, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS, SO I'LL DEFINITELY, IF I SEE THAT IT'S A WAY MORE CHALLENGING PROJECT, THEN I'LL BE VERY VOCAL ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK AT THE END OF IT, WE'LL LOOK AT THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, WE'LL RUN THE NUMBERS ON DEMOING THE BUILDING AND STARTING FROM SCRATCH AND WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL KIND OF, UH, REMODEL IT AS IT IS OR DEMO IT AND SEE WHAT ARE, UH, WHAT BENEFITS US THE MOST WITH BEING, BEING VERY CONSCIOUS OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
THE, THE BIG THING I THINK TO KEEP IN MIND AS, AS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAD MENTIONED IS IF IT IS A, IF IT IS A DEMOLITION, IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU CAN ONLY PUT BACK A SINGLE DEMO, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
COMMISSIONER PELOSI, UM, PUTTING ASIDE THE THE DESIGN DISCUSSION, I WOULD SUPPORT A THIRD STORY.
AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO REMIND YOU IS THAT BEING IN THE MINORITY, UM, POTENTIALLY IF YOU GET A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, YOU CAN APPEAL TO CPC WHERE YOU MAY FIND EIGHT MORE SYMPATHETIC INDIVIDUALS TO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING MORE HOUSING WITHIN THE DISTRICT OR THE CITY, ET CETERA.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE 100% DETERRED ON THE THIRD FLOOR, UM, OR THE THIRD STORY ISSUE SIMPLY BASED ON TODAY'S COURTESY REVIEW.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, WELL YOU GOT NOT EXACTLY A FULL, UH, SINGLE RESPONSE UPON THE THIRD STORY.
AND OF COURSE WHAT WE DIDN'T DISCUSS WAS THE OPTION OF WHAT APPARENTLY SOME OF THE HOUSES HAVE AT LITTLE ATTIC WITH DORMERS.
I DON'T GUESS YOU GET AS MANY UNITS IN THAT WAY, BUT I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE SOMEWHAT MORE COMPATIBLE, COULD BE JUDGED THAT.
SO PLEASE GO BACK TO THE OWNER.
I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, SINCE IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THIS OWNER HAS OCCASIONALLY DONE THINGS WITHOUT SEEKING THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE APPROVAL FROM US BEFORE, UH, TO, TO WARN THEM THAT LIFE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SIMPLER IF YOU JUST DO IT THE RIGHT WAY THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP ALL OF US AND HELP THE OWNER.
THIS, THIS BUILDING IS OF A STYLE THAT WAS BRIEFLY SOMEWHAT POPULAR, BUT THAT WAS WHEN I WAS A CHILD AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS MUCH APPEAL ANYMORE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH IT.
THAT IT, YES, IT IS A PROBLEM.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT WE DID IN THE PREVIOUS PROJECT AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE DID THIS COURTESY REVIEW.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE ON THE RIGHT PAGE WITH YOU GUYS AND, UH, THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR YOU.
SPENT ANY MORE MONEY ON ROSS
AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR BABY
I KNOW IT'S TIRING TIME RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHTY, SO THAT WAS COURTESY REVIEW FOUR.
THE NEXT ONE IS COURTESY REVIEW ONE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING COURTESY REVIEW ITEM ONE ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 6 1 1 6 REGER AVENUE.
IT'S THE JL LONG MIDDLE SCHOOL, NOT WOODROW WILSON HIGH SCHOOL.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 3 4 DASH 25 RAD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW OF EXTERIOR REHABILITATION, INCLUDING RESTORATION OF ALL HISTORIC WINDOWS TOTAL 95 INSTALLATION OF SLOPE SIDEWALK WITH BRICK WALL SCREENING IE PLANTERS LEADING TO FRONT ENTRANCE AND INSTALLATION OF NEW WOOD EXTERIOR DOUBLE DOORS AT FRONT ENTRANCE TO ACCOMMODATE PROPOSED SLOPE SIDEWALK.
OKAY, I AM MISSING THE SECOND PART.
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ALL RIGHT,STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS COURTESY REVIEW.
NO ACTION REQUIRED THAT THE REQUEST FOR EXTERIOR REHABILITATION, INCLUDING RESTORATION OF ALL HISTORIC WINDOWS TOTAL 95 INSTALLATION OF SLOPE SIDEWALK WITH BRICK WALL SCREENING IE PLANTERS LEADING TO FRONT ENTRANCE AND INSTALLATION OF NEW WOOD EXTERIOR DOUBLE DOORS AT FRONT ENTRANCE TO ACCOMMODATE PROPOSED SLOPE SIDEWALK BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE, THE TASK FORCE WAS IN FAVOR OF THE RESTORATION, NOT REPLACEMENT OF ALL THE WINDOWS AT JL LONG MIDDLE SCHOOL.
IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT REVIEW THE ORIGINAL WORK DESIGN DRAWINGS AND USE THE DETAILS FROM THESE DRAWINGS TO CREATE SIDE-BY-SIDE EXHIBITS, WHICH COMPARE THE EXISTING WINDOWS TO THE PROPOSED RESTORED WINDOWS.
THE SAME TECHNIQUE SHOULD BE USED FOR OTHER BUILDING FEATURES SUCH AS CASTSTONE DETAILS AND BRICK BLEND FOR THE PROPOSED NEW ENTRY SIDEWALKS AND ASSOCIATED LOW WALL, ALSO THE REVISED ENTRY DOOR FRAME AND SIDELIGHTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHOULD ALSO BE PREPARED TO EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR PLACING THE REVISED ENTRY FEATURE ON THE REGER AVENUE ELEVATION RATHER THAN THE PAUL AVENUE ELEVATION.
UM, IT APPEARS THAT NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK UPON THIS ONE.
I WAS HOPING SOMEONE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD COME TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS, BUT WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL STATE THEM OURSELVES SO THAT THEY'RE IN THE OFFICIAL RECORD AND STAFF CAN CONVEY THEM TO THE APPLICANT TO LET THEM KNOW THEIR CHANCES OF SUCCEEDING WHEN THIS BECOMES EQUAL C EIGHT.
SO COMMISSIONERS THE STATE ARE CONCERNS OR APPROVALS OR QUESTIONS.
ALLISON, IS THAT COMMISSIONER REEVES, GO AHEAD.
YES, I THINK THAT BY CHANGING THE FRONT DOOR, YOU CHANGE THE ENTIRE LOOK OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THE BUILDING'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE 1930S AND CUTTING 18 INCHES OFF THE BOTTOM OF THE FRONT DOOR WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT.
UH, I I AM COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THIS.
DID YOU SAY COMPLETELY OPPOSED COMPLETELY? I I LIKE THE WINDOWS.
SO THE WINDOWS WE DID NOT, I BELIEVE, HAVE AN ISSUE WITH NO ONE EXPRESSED THAT WE'RE HAPPY.
YOU WANT, THEY WANT TO RESTORE THEM.
THE CHANGING THE FRONT DOOR OF A BUILDING THAT'S BUILT 19 33, 19 35, THAT DRASTICALLY CUTTING 18 INCHES OFF THE BOTTOM IS SIGNIFICANT.
I THINK THEY NEED TO TAKE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
AND STAFF WILL CONVEY THAT TO THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED A LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THEIR, THIS EXTREME LACK OF SUPPORT.
WELL, YOU CAN ONLY LACK SO MUCH SUPPORT, BUT
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MESSAGES YOU WOULD LIKE SENT TO THE APPLICANT ON THIS? INCLUDING IF YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER REEVES, LET'S TRY TO GET A, YOU KNOW, GIVE HIM A NINE.
YEAH, SHE WOULD STAND ALONE OR SHE WOULD STAND IN A LARGE GROUP.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RENO.
I'D JUST LIKE TO ECHO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER REEVES HAS MENTIONED, UM, ABOUT FINDING A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR, FOR THIS SECURED ENTRANCE.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS CAN BE ACHIEVED, UM, IN A SATISFACTORY WAY OFF OF RE AS IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
I'D JUST LIKE, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS BEFORE, BUT I DIDN'T LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION WHY THEY WANT TO CUT THE 18 INCHES OFF THE DOOR.
IS THE BUILDING SETTLING OR I CAN, I CAN SPECULATE.
THERE'S PROBABLY A GRADE CHANGE FROM ONE ELEVATION TO THE OTHER.
SO WHERE THIS ENTRANCE WAS, I, I WOULD IMAGINE RIGHT AS YOU GO IN THE DOOR, YOU COME INTO A VESTIBULE AND THEN THERE'S THREE STEPS UP AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF THAT LEVEL CHANGE.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
RIGHT NOW, I DON'T, I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE STEP AND ONCE THEY ADD THE SLOPE SIDEWALK, THEY NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL STEPS TO BE ON LEVEL WITH THE SLOPE SIDEWALK.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT THE, THE SLOPE SIDEWALK GOES UP TO THE FRONT OF THE DOOR.
AND THEREFORE THE PART OF THE DOOR THAT WOULD BE UNDER WHAT'S NOW, SO THIS PART OF THE SLOPE WOULD BE RIGHT.
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IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO IMAGINE A BUILDING OF THIS SIZE WOULD'VE ENCOUNTERED DIFFERENT GRADE ELEVATIONS AROUND ITS PERIMETER.UH, AND I I MEAN, IT JUST MAKES SENSE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF ONE SO THAT IT YOU ALL, EVERYTHING CAN COME IN AT ONE ELEVATION AGAIN THAT I, WITHOUT HAVING WALKED THAT, THAT PARTICULAR ENTRANCE, THAT'S MY GUESS.
BUT, UM, YEAH, SO PART OF OUR ADVICE TO THEM WOULD BE THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO FURTHER ANALYZE THIS, WE WOULD NEED TO SEE MORE ABOUT THE INSIDE AND THE REASON FOR WHY THEY'RE DOING THIS.
WHAT IS THAT, YOUR HONOR? COMMISSIONER REESE, WERE YOU WAVING AT ME? I WOULD TO SCHOOL THERE.
UH, IT'S A PECULIAR LAYOUT AT THE, AT THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PICTURE IS THE AUDITORIUM AND KIND OF UNDERNEATH THE AUDITORIUM IS THE CAFETERIA.
THE, THE, IT, IT'S NOT AS PECULIAR AS WOODROW WITH THE CAFETERIA ON THE THIRD FLOOR WITH ALL THE HEAT, BUT THERE ARE, YOU CAN'T GET ANY PLACE IN THIS BUILDING WITHOUT GOING UP OR DOWN STEPS.
YEAH, I, I'VE BEEN IN IT ONCE AND IT WAS A DIFFERENT LAYOUT.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WAS SOME KIND OF A, UH, SECURITY, UH, CHECK AREA THAT POSSIBLY THEY'RE GONNA BE BRINGING ALL THE STUDENTS INTO ONE DOOR.
UM, I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S NOT A BETTER WAY TO GO WITH THAT SHORT LITTLE SERIES OF STEPS WITH, WITH A, THAT MAYBE A LITTLE MORE UTILITARIAN LOOKING, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO ALTER AND DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE BUILDING.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE ANY, THE RELATIVELY M MY OPINION, RELATIVELY SMALL NUMBER OF HANDICAPPED WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE STUDENTS COMING THAT THEY NOT BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH A SIDE DOOR WITH A SPECIAL CHECKPOINT AREA.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WHEELCHAIR AND HANDICAPPED CHILDREN THERE ARE, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT ISN'T A BIG NUMBER.
MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE A SPECIAL ALLOWANCE TO GO IN THE PAULA STREET DOORS INSTEAD OF ALTERING THE FACADE.
E EITHER, EITHER DO A MUCH LESS IMPACT, UH, CHANGE TO THE FACADE OR MAKE SOME ALLOWANCE TO DO A HANDICAP RAMP ON THE PAULA SIDE AND HAVE ANOTHER CHECK AREA FOR THOSE KIDS.
UH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, I WAS JUST GONNA COMMENT, I GUESS IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND SOME INTERIOR CONSIDERATIONS.
A DA WAS THE BIGGEST THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT STEPS AND YOU DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS PUT A DA TO THE SIDE OR IN THE BACK.
SO IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S AFFECTING THE AESTHETICS AND ENTRYWAY.
WE WOULD NOT WANT TO URGE THEM TO A DESIGN THAT MADE ANYBODY FEEL MM-HMM.
BUT WE ALSO DO WANT TO PROTECT OUR BUILDING AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOME SOLUTION THAT ANSWERS EVERY NEED TAKES A WHILE OF TIME.
SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE, LET, LET THEM LET THEM KNOW THAT WE HAVE MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR DR. DUNN TO LET THEM KNOW THE SIGNIFICANCE CONCERNS WE HAVE AND WHAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO RETHINK BEFORE THEY COME BACK AND TALK TO US.
TELL THEM WE WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
LET US DO COURTESY REVIEW THREE NOW.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF COURTESY REVIEW ITEM THREE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1109 EAST 11TH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A COURTESY REVIEW AND THEY ARE, THEY DESIRE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
A DUPLEX STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME IS NO ACTION REQUIRED.
IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW THAT THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, A DUPLEX BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
TASK FORCE FEEDBACK, COURTESY REVIEW COMMENTS ONLY, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER ONE BUILDING SHOULD HAVE FOUR EXTERIOR DOORS FOR SAFE EGRESS.
NUMBER TWO, FRONT PORCH SHOULD HAVE FOUR PORCH COLUMNS, NOT THREE.
NUMBER THREE, REPLACE GOOSENECK EXTERIOR LIGHTING WITH CRAFTSMAN STYLE LIGHTING.
NUMBER FOUR, DOUBLE WINDOWS SHOULD BE PAIRED WITH A SHARED MULIAN SUPPORT.
NUMBER FIVE, EXTERIOR FRONT DOOR SHOULD BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
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ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.UH, IT APPEARS WE ALSO HAVE NOT HAD ANYBODY SHOW UP TO SPEAK TO THIS ONE, WHICH MAKES CONVERSATION DIFFICULT.
WE'LL GET ONE TO TALK TO EXCEPT DR. DUNN
UH, SO COMMISSIONERS, WHAT, WHAT INFORMATION MIGHT WE LIKE TO HAVE HER SEND TO THE APPLICANTS ON THIS ONE THAT WOULD HELP THEM IMPROVE THEIR PLAN? WHAT IS, WHAT IS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? OH, OH COMMISSIONER.
IS IT? WELL, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, GO FIRST.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO BLOW UP THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT MORE? IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE.
IS THERE A BETTER QUESTION? OKAY.
IS THIS BETTER? WELL, IT GETS, I GUESS SO IT GETS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT IS IS IT HERE THAT IT'S MISSING, UM, A UH, A BEAM EXPRESSION OR FASCIA BOARD? IT LOOKS LIKE THE WINDOWS GO RIGHT UP TO THE ROOF.
I, IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT IT APPEARS THERE'S NO FASCIA BOARD OR BEAM EXPRESSION AT ALL, OR AM I JUST NOT ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE PORCH COLUMNS? YES.
YEAH, THEY DO APPEAR TO BE MISSING THAT IT APPEARS THAT THE COLUMNS ARE HITTING RIGHT ONTO THE ROOF.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S, THIS IS A VERY BAD, ON THE COMPUTER IS A VERY BAD IMAGE AND I CAN'T REALLY SEE, BUT THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME DELINEATION OF BEAM EXPRESSION AND A FASCIA BOARD AROUND THERE.
I GUESS THERE'S A VERY, VERY THIN, UH, VOLUME BETWEEN THEM.
I, I, YES, PROBABLY I'M NOT BE CONCERNED IF THERE IS NOT A BEAM EXPRESSION FACE BOARD THAT SHOULD BE ADDED.
BUT AGAIN, WITH THAT IMAGE, I CAN'T REALLY TELL.
CAN ANY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN SEE A LITTLE EASIER ON THEIR COMPUTER THAN WHAT I'M SEEING ON MY SCREEN HERE AS FAR AS BEAM EXPRESSION OR LACK THEREOF? IT DOESN'T SHOW MUCH BETTER ON WHAT WE HAVE LOOKING ON OUR COMPUTERS.
I, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT, UM, REGARDING THAT SAME CONDITION, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN BOTH CONDITIONS ACTUALLY, AND I, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IN THE 10TH STREET DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR, WHICH WAS THE PREDOMINANT DETAIL BECAUSE I, I'VE SEEN PORCHES LIKE THIS THAT HAVE A ZERO FREEZE.
IT JUST COME, THE SIDING COMES DOWN AND THEN YOU TURN INTO THE CEILING AND, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS 10TH STREET WHERE THAT WAS THE PREDOMINANT DETAIL.
I'VE SEEN BOTH, UH, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT 10TH STREET IN PARTICULAR AND TO, AND TO BE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, HONORIFIC OF OF 10TH STREET, THEN WE NEED TO MATCH THAT DETAIL.
SO IN, IN 10TH STREET YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
SOME OR DONE VERY, VERY ARTICULATE WHERE YOU SEE THAT BEING AN ADMINISTRATION, SOME ARE DONE WHERE THE ACTUAL SIGHTING COMES FLUSHED WITH THE COLUMN AND EITHER IT'S FRAMED, WHETHER IT BEAM IS HIDDEN INSIDE OR YOU, YOU DON'T SEE THAT CLEAR ENUNCIATION, BUT IT'S BOTH.
SO TO THAT AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS A, A, A, A COURTESY OF REVIEW, I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE PORCH HAS BEEN SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING TO HELP DISTINGUISH IT.
UH, INSTEAD OF JUST BRINGING THAT THE UPPER ROOF ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A DISTINCTIVE DETAIL.
UH, AND I DON'T MIND IT'S CURRENT, UH, OR IT'S CURRENT DESIGN.
DID THEY GIVE A PROPOSAL TO WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURAL SYSTEM THEY WERE GONNA USE FOR THE FOUNDATION? UM, LET'S SEE.
BUT I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DOCKET PICTURE.
THE DRAWINGS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SLAB ON GRADE.
THEY'RE SAYING IT'S 15 INCHES ABOVE GRADE, BUT UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CRAWL FACE OR NOT.
THERE IS ONE PORCH DETAIL IT LOOKS LIKE ON SHEET, UH, FIVE OF 11 IN THE ARCHITECTURAL
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DRAWINGS.AND IT IS SHOWING A SLAB ON GRADE.
BUT YEAH, BUT IT IS, UH, OKAY.
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTING FOR 10TH STREET HERE ON THE, OUR, UM, CONCRETE POST.
AND WHAT HAVE WE GENERALLY ASKED? AS FOR THE, UM, FLOOR LEVEL ABOVE GRADE ABOVE INTENSE GRADE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, COMMISSIONER PERI.
YES, I KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE.
THE MAJOR PART, UH, IS THE PORCH, UH, ON THE, UH, PORCH COLUMN.
YOU SEE THE, THE PORCH RAIL COMES ABOVE, I GUESS WHAT THAT THE CAP IS OF THE, OH YEAH.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT CAP NEEDS TO BE HIGHER ON THE RAIL, EITHER TERMINATE INTO IT OR JUST UNDER IT.
DO YOU NEED THE RAIL AT ALL? FIRST OF ALL, THAT IT'S NOT, OH, IT'S 18 INCHES, 30 INCHES
UM, I HAD A, A QUESTION ACTUALLY, SORRY I'M REPEATING.
BUT ANYWAY, I HAD A QUESTION IN THE, UM, IN THE BRIEFING ABOUT, UH, THESE APPEAR TO BE BRICK, UH, BASES ON THOSE FRONT COLUMNS.
I THINK THEY'RE LABELED AS BRICK FOR THE, FOR THE LAST, UH, TWO FEET OR SO, OR FOR THE FIRST TWO FEET UP OFF OF THE GROUND.
UM, I WAS JUST HOPING TO SEE A, A BRICK, UH, SAMPLE IN THE, IN THE PROPOSAL.
IF
SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE INCLUDED FOR THE CA ALL, UH, MR. PEI, ARE YOU STILL, OH, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WISH TO CONVEY TO THIS APPLICANT? I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION I BELIEVE BY COMMISSIONER REES.
I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE TA UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION FOR ADDITIONAL DOORS FOR SAFETY.
WHERE WOULD YOU HAVE A LOT OF ARCHITECTS THERE? I HAVE A DOG HERE.
UH, MY HOUSES IN DALLAS ALL HAVE AN EXIT FROM EVERY BEDROOM.
A WINDOW THAT YOU CAN GET OUT OF OR A DOOR YOU CAN GET OUT OF.
WOULD THAT BE WHAT THEY WOULD SUGGEST? THE ARCHITECTS THAT ARE THERE? NO, SORRY.
THAT IS ACTUALLY A CODE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE TWO EXITS OUT OF EVERY SLEEPING ROOM.
UM, SO YOUR WINDOW HAS TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, 22 BY 20 INCHES, UM, SQUARE.
SO WITH A FOUR FOOT WINDOW, YOU CAN BARELY GET THE RIGHT EXIT HEIGHT IN AN OPEN SASH.
SO WE TYPICALLY GO TO FOUR, SIX OR FIVE FEET TALL.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
IF THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ADVISE FOR THIS APPLICANT, UH, THIS, UH, DR.
DUN TALK TO THEM AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE DEVELOPING THEIR PLAN AND COME BACK AND SEE US WHEN THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE GETTING CLOSER.
NOW WE ARE GOING TO D 11 AND THAT WOULD BE USEFUL.
RHONDA DUNN AGAIN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D 11.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1419 BEAUMONT STREET.
IT'S KNOWN AS THE MAX J AND JENNY ROSENFIELD HOUSE.
UH, OUR REQUEST IS WE'RE FOR THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION FORM FOR 1419 BEAUMONT STREET, THE MAX J AND JENNY ROSENFIELD HOUSE AT THE BEHEST OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
THE OWNER IS ROSENFIELD, HISTORIC HOMESTEAD, LLC.
AND WE DID HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
ONE PUT ANSWER QUESTIONS IF NEEDED.
AND MARK, MARK, MARK, MARK NECK.
DID YOU WISH TO COME ON? AND OF COURSE YOU START BY TELLING US YOUR NAME PRONOUNCED PROPERLY.
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THE WAY I DID IT.AND YOUR ADDRESS? IT'S UH, MARK EK.
MY ADDRESS IS 89 19 TIS AVENUE 7 5 2 1 8.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO 'CAUSE THIS ISN'T QUITE JUDICIAL.
YOU CAN LIE, BUT WE'D PREFER THE TRUTH.
AND I AM JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE METHOD AND CONSTRUCTION OF CONSTRUCTION.
IF, IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, MARCEL IS HANDLING THE HISTORIC APPLICATION PART AND I SIGNED UP IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS IN THAT REGARD.
WELL, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I HAVE A STATEMENT.
MAKE A HARD HITTING STATEMENT THEN.
SO I AM ON THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND WE DID A SITE VISIT ON AUGUST 25TH, UH, TO THE SITE TO LOOK AT IT.
UH, AND I ALSO, UM, KNEW IT IN ITS OTHER LOCATION, ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION BEFORE IT, BEFORE IT WAS MOVED.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS I BELIEVE, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN CORRECT ME ON THIS OR NOT, UM, THE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT'S MOVED TO THIS LOCATION 'CAUSE IT'S MORE IN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
OBVIOUSLY IT HAD TO BE MOVED BEFORE OR WAS GONNA BE DEMOLISHED.
BUT ONE OF THE REASONS YOU CHOSE THIS SITE WAS BECAUSE IT WAS MORE OF A SETTING TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY, WHERE IT WAS CITED BEFORE THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES WERE TAKEN DOWN AND NEW STUFF PUT UP.
SO, UM, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT FOR A MINUTE? THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
IT, UM, WAS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION AND, AND, UH, VARIOUS PEOPLE STEPPED UP AND, AND CONTRIBUTED TO, TO SAVING IT.
AND MY ROLE WAS TO, UM, SEE IT CUT UP AND THEN PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN AT THE NEW LOCATION.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY STILL ON THE SAME STREET.
IT WAS ON BROWER BEFORE AND IT'S ON BROWER NOW.
UM, IT'S STILL ON A CORNER LOT AND IT HAS A WRAPAROUND PORCH AND SO YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THAT WRAPAROUND IN ITS NEW CONFIGURATION.
AND WHEREAS ON ONE SIDE IT HAD THE BAY WINDOW ON THE OTHER, IT HAD SORT OF A, A, A SECOND FLOOR PROTRUSION THAT, UH, I THINK GIVES SOME INTERESTING DETAIL.
UM, IT'S NEW LOCATION, IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OF THE OLDER BRICK BUILDINGS IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS SORT OF NESTLED IN, UM, SOME OTHER EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
UH, THERE'S TWO OR THERE ARE TWO HOUSES DIRECTLY ADJACENT THAT ARE OLDER HOUSES AS WELL AS ACROSS A PARKING LOT.
THERE ARE TWO MORE SHOTGUN HOUSES THAT INCIDENTALLY ONE OF THEM WAS, UM, UH, HONORED BY PRESERVATION DOS PROBABLY ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE REDID THAT ONE.
SO IT REALLY DOES FIT, IT IMPROVES THE NEW LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S TAKING A, A FORMERLY VACANT LOT AND PUTTING A TRULY HISTORIC BUILDING IN THE MIX WITH THE OTHERS.
AND, UM, WE REUSED AS MUCH AS WE COULD IN THE LANDSCAPE TO PUT THE BRICK OUT THERE AND, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN GREAT FOR THE HOUSE.
AND I ALSO THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THE RELOCATION, THE OLD LOCATION.
IT SAT ON THE EDGE OF THE CANYON INTERSTATE 30 AND IT WAS JUST SORT OF A WAYWARD ORPHAN OUT THERE.
AND, AND NOW IT REALLY IS NESTLED IN WITH OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE OF THE SAME FAMILY.
OF COURSE YOU DO BECAUSE YOU ARE SO KNOWLEDGEABLE.
UH, SO MY OTHER COMMENT TOO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A MUCH STRONGER CASE OF THE, THE HOUSE OR THE BUILDING IS IN ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION.
UM, BUT THEY DO MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER WHEN A BUILDING OR HOUSE HAS TO BE MOVED IN THE CASE OF LOSING IT FOREVER.
AND SO THAT FALLS UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEY DID NOT MOVE THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE WOULD'VE BEEN GONE.
AND THE HOUSE DOES HAVE A, UM, SIGNIFICANT HISTORY TIED TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND THE ROSEN FIELDS WHO, UM, WERE THE FIRST, UH, OWNERS OF THE HOUSE AND LIVED THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, AND ALSO THEIR SON, WHO WAS, UH, VERY INFLUENTIAL IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AND WAS, WAS, UH, QUOTED AS BRINGING CULTURE TO DALLAS.
UH, WITH ALL THAT HE WROTE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT, UH, ASPECTS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OPERAS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, ART THAT CAME TO DALLAS AND PROMOTING THAT.
UM, SO IT IS A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE FOR THAT, THAT REASON AS WELL.
UH, IT DOES HAVE A, UM, A GREAT DEAL OF HISTORIC INTEGRITY ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.
UM, IT'S VERY, VERY MUCH THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
THERE WERE SOME VERY EARLY CHANGES DONE.
THE PORCH WAS ADDED AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WERE DONE EARLIER ON.
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RETAINS A GREAT DEAL OF ITS INTEGRITY AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, IT'S WORTHY OF BEING LISTED ON THE, THE NATIONAL REGISTER.AND THEN I THINK THAT THIS, UM, BOARD, THIS COMMISSION SHOULD SUPPORT THAT.
GUNN, UH, DID SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, LANDMARK DESIGNATION COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, WEIGH IN ON THEIR OPINION ABOUT NATIONAL REGISTER? NO.
OR WAS I THE ONLY ONE?
WELL, I HAD TWO OF YOU RETURN EMAILS AND IT JUST SAID I SUPPORT SUPPORTED.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF, DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THIS OR WHAT IS JUST A WHAT IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, SEND THEM TO ME BY THE 25TH OF SEPTEMBER SO WE CAN SEND THEM A LETTER THAT SAYS THE LANDMARK COMMISSION SUPPORTS IT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE TO REMIND US 'CAUSE WE'RE PEOPLE AND WE GET, I MEAN, COULD WE MAKE A MOTION SO THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S, WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO SAY WE ALL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
TO, TO AFFIRM THAT WE ALL THINK WE, YOU, YOU CAN DO THAT.
WELL, I GUESS I'LL MAKE A, A, A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT THE, UH, DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION SUPPORT THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION FOR 1419 BEAUMONT STREET.
AND THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
YOU TWO, MARCEL, YOU WERE APPLY IT TODAY, BUT, OKAY.
NOW WE'RE DOING D FOUR ON PEAK STREET.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED AT 1000 NORTH PEAK STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS CA 2 34 DASH 4 75 MW AND I AM MARCUS WATSON.
THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING WITH RELATED LANDSCAPING AND PARKING ON A VACANT LOT.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW THREE-STORY, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING WITH RELATED LANDSCAPING AND PARKING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS ON THE BRICK FACADES FACING INVISIBLE FROM BOTH SWISS AVENUE AND PEAK STREET BE ALL WOOD INSIDE AND OUT WITH NO CLADDING AND WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA ONLY ADDRESS WINDOWS IN THE FRONT AND SIDE FACADES AND ONLY, AND, AND STATE THAT ONLY FRONT AND SIDE FACADES ARE NORMALLY PROTECTED.
THEREFORE, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 3.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.7, 4.8, AND 4.9.
THE STANDARDS IN C CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 1 G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW THREE-STORY.
MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING WITH RELATED LANDSCAPING AND PARKING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS.
COMMENTS NUMBER ONE, WINDOWS SHALL BE WOOD ON WOOD, NOT CLAD.
NUMBER TWO, WOOD SIDING TO BE USED IN LIEU OF CEMENT SIDING.
THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH MATERIALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THIS TASK FORCE FOR OTHER APPLICANTS.
AND WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS JOINING US WHO HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE THIS TIME.
THEY BROUGHT A FRIEND A BIG WINDOW WITH THEM.
UH, CHRIS AARON 50 60 AL TO DRIVE.
UM, AND YOU HAVE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
UM, SO COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AGAIN.
WE'RE EXCITED TO COME WITH OUR OFFICIAL SUBMISSION FOR OUR CA UH, WE'VE TAKEN ALL THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE AND BELIEVE WE HAVE A, A REALLY GREAT PRODUCT, UM, THAT WE'RE BRINGING AND ARE EXCITED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD.
UH, WE'VE TAKEN TASK FORCE IN YOUR COMMENTS FROM LAST TIME AND HAVE INCORPORATED THOSE AND WOULD REALLY JUST LOVE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY.
YES, I DID BRING A WOOD, UH, WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOW TO SHOW AS AN EXAMPLE, GIVEN THAT WE DO HAVE 160 WINDOWS ON THE EXTERIOR ON PEAK AND SWISS.
AND FROM A, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE SHOWN WOOD WINDOWS WITH THE ALUMINUM CLAD.
UM, AND WOULD LOVE TO JUST GET EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK ON THAT BECAUSE WE, WE BELIEVE THIS DOES STILL FIT IN THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING FROM A LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, WHICH, AND WE
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HOPE TO OWN THIS BUILDING FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME THAT, UM, IT CAN JUST HELP WEATHER YOU, DALLAS IS LETTER, ET CETERA.SO I'LL LET BRIAN SPEAK NEXT, BUT THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AGAIN.
UH, BRIAN TILL, UH, 91 26 WHITEHURST.
I WILL TELL THE TRUTH AS WELL.
UM, WE'RE THE ARCHITECT'S, UH, RECORD ON THE PROJECT TO BE, UH, AGAIN, AS CHRIS HAS SAID, AND WE'VE TAKEN TASK FORCE AND, UH, Y'ALL'S FIRST, UM, COMMENTS TO BETTER, BETTER FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE, WE GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, MARCUS.
UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, UM, THE, UH, USING VIOLA COURTS AS A, UH, INSPIRATION TO THE PROJECT.
KIND OF, WE'VE TIPPED OUR HAT TO IT AS, UH, I'LL SAY AS BEST WE CAN, UM, BUT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, IMITATING IT, BUT, BUT TAKING A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS, THE BRICK, UH, THE NINE OVER ONE WINDOWS, INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS, UM, EVEN THE, THE BRICK, THE MAIN BRICK COLOR AND THE ACCENT COLOR AND SOME OF THE TREATMENT OF IT.
UM, AND, AND REALLY KIND OF USE THAT AS INSPIRATION TO THE PROJECT, UM, IN SKY SCALE, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE, IT SAID PART OF THE, PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FIT INTO THE, TO, UH, PEAK SUBURBAN, NOT JUMP, NOT STAND OUT AND JUMP OUT AND, AND BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT DOESN'T BELONG.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, UH, MADE PAINS TO, TO MAKE THAT POINT AND, AND TO, UH, SO HAPPY TO HEAR ANY THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS? ALRIGHTY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO, I, I'VE LIVED ON THIS STREET FOR 30 YEARS AND I AM EXCITED THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING FORWARD AND SO MUCH IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT WAS THERE.
OBVIOUSLY, MY, MY QUESTION IS, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE GONNA DO ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING? YES, WE'RE PROPOSING WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLADDING JUST ON THE EXTERIOR, UH, PORTION OF THE WINDOW.
SO I DID BRING IN AN EXAMPLE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IF, IF I CAN SHOW YOU VIA CAMERA, I'M HAPPY TO.
I THINK WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR ARE WOOD WINDOWS, NOT WOOD, THE ALUMINUM ON THE OUTSIDE, BECAUSE THE ALUMINUM CLAD IS THE ALUMINUM WINDOW ON THE OUTSIDE.
WE ARE SEEKING A TRUE WOOD WINDOW.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS IT GOING TO HAVE THE S EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE? MEANING THAT THE MULTIPLE LIGHTS ARE EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE, NOT BETWEEN THE GLASS.
AND MR. ANDERSON, WE ARE ABLE TO SEE ON THE EXAMPLE THEY BROUGHT US THAT THEY ARE INDEED EXPRESSED ON THE OUTSIDE.
BUT I DO HAVE
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S THE, THE ALUMINUM, THE USE OF ALUMINUM ON THE EXTERIOR IS, IS SIMPLY TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN 160 SOME ODD WINDOWS ON THE PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT, IT, THE PRODUCT PROVIDES THAT SAME DEPTH AND THICKNESS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT YOUR STANDARD CRANKED OUT PLASTIC WINDOWS.
IT GIVES THAT FULL DEPTH, UM, MATCHING COLOR WOOD ON THE INSIDE, ON THE INTERIOR ITSELF.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE, WE ARE ASKING THIS TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A, A BUILDING OF THIS SCALE.
MY CONCERN STILL REMAINS THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR WOOD WINDOWS AND ALUMINUM WINDOWS ARE WOOD ON THE INSIDE, ALUMINUM ON THE OUTSIDE.
UM, ON THE ISSUE OF WOOD WINDOWS, NOT, NOT TO ANNOY ANY OF MY FRIENDS, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND EXPLORE.
I HAVE ALWAYS GONE ALONG WITH THE IDEA THAT WE DID WANT THEM TO BE GENUINE WOOD INSIDE AND OUT AND NOT CLAD.
BUT NOW I'M RETHINKING WHY DO WE WANT THAT? UM, THAT THIS WINDOW HERE IN PERSON DOES SHOW THAT IT IS NOT FLAT AND SMOOTH ON THE PLANE OF IT, THE WAY IT HAPPENS WITH LIKE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, WHICH IS USUALLY WHY WE DON'T LIKE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
THEY DON'T CATCH SHADOWS AND STUFF.
BUT THERE IS THE ISSUE OF, WELL, IT'S ALUMINUM.
UM, UH, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT VINYL.
IT'S SOMETHING, IT'S NOT LIKE THOSE OTHER THINGS.
DOES IT ONLY COME IN THAT COLOR? BECAUSE WHILE PEOPLE COULD PLANT THEIR TRIM THAT COLOR, THEY USUALLY PAINT A DIFFERENT COLOR.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, THAT AT A DISTANCE IT WOULD, FROM HERE IT LOOKS LIKE WOOD.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE BEFORE THAT I KNEW WAS ALUMINUM CLAD.
BUT IS, FIRST OFF, I WANT OUR STAFF TO LET ME KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY SAYS IN OUR ORDINANCES THAT THEY MUST NOT BE CLAD.
AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO MAKE THEM LOOK LESS LIKE A FACTORY EXTRUDED PRODUCT AND TO CHANGE THE COLORS.
THIS, THIS ISN'T THE COLOR THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT THEY COME IN COLORS, THEY COME IN DIFFERENT COLORS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF THIS PUTTY OR JUST A STRAIGHT WHITE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO, TO DESIGN HERE.
AND WOULD YOU HAVE A TRIM COLOR AROUND IT? YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE A LOT OF OURS HAVE SOME, SOME
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BRICK COLOR BRICK IN THE SECONDARY BRICK.I GUESS, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE VIOLA AND OTHER, OTHER BRICK BUILDINGS, THE, THE ADLER NEXT TO IT, UM, A WOOD, WELL, I'M NOT, NOT SAYING IT, I'M JUST, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THIS CLAD WINDOW
AND I'M SAYING I COULD BE FLEXIBLE, BUT I WOULD WANT TO SEE IT LOOK A LITTLE LESS, UM, MELY SOMEHOW IF THERE WAS A WAY TO DO THAT.
SO I'M JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE FOR ALL OF YOU TO ARGUE AND, AND BOOM, ME OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR
EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT COMPLETELY WOOD.
THIS ISN'T A, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO STORE RESIDENTIAL HOME OR BUILDING.
AND SO THE MAINTENANCE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND SO WHEREAS THEY COULD HAVE WENT WITH A SIMPLE VINYL WINDOW, THEY'VE GONE TO THIS WOOD WINDOW WITH ALUMINUM CLAD, WHICH IS A VERY EXPENSIVE WINDOW.
SO I I, I AM TRYING TO BE FLEXIBLE AND COMMENDED FOR BRINGING THE ACTUAL WINDOW THAT WE CAN SEE.
AND YOU GUYS GUYS CAN GO TOUCH IT AND FILL IT, THE PROFILES IDENTICAL UNTIL YOU WOULD GO UP TO SOMEONE'S HOUSE, DO THAT
AND THAT, THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
'CAUSE WE, WE CARE ABOUT VIEWS MORE THAN IF, IF, IF, IF SOMEONE COMES AND TOUCHES YOUR HOUSE, THEY BETTER BE A FRIEND
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A, SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF'S OPINION OF, OF THIS ISSUE, AND IF WE HAVE ANY RULES ACTUALLY AGAINST THE CLAD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHY WE'VE ALWAYS RULED THAT WAY.
SO,
TH TH THOSE WORDS ARE NOT IN THERE.
IT DOES REQUIRE THAT THE, THAT EV ALL THE MATERIALS BE COMPATIBLE.
IT IT, AND IT SAYS MATERIALS DESIGN, BUT IT INCLUDES MATERIALS BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S BEEN TRADITION, PARTICULARLY IN PEAK SUBURBAN FOR THAT TO MEAN WOOD WINDOWS ON THE, THE EXTERIOR.
UM, THE TASK FORCE IS ADAMANT ABOUT IT AS IS, YES, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, THAT I'VE TALKED TO ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
UM, I THINK IN THIS CASE, I WOULD ASK THAT IF IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LEANING TOWARDS ALLOWING IT ON THIS PROPERTY, PLEASE, PLEASE INCLUDE A FINDINGS OF FACT OF EXACTLY WHY YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IF YOU HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS COMING AND SAYING THEY WANT IT, AND WHY DID YOU LET THEM HAVE IT? YOU WOULDN'T LET MEYE YES.
I, WE, I I WOULD SUGGEST VERY SPECIFIC REASONS FOR YOUR DECISION.
AND WE WILL, I AM NOT PUSHING ANYBODY TO MAKE ANY DECISION ABOUT THIS.
I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD PERHAPS THINK ABOUT THIS AND THE, THE TRUE EFFECT IT HAS AND, UM, EVERYBODY ELSE MAKE THE DECISION AND, AND DECIDE WHAT TO, TO, TO MOVE TO DO.
COMMISSIONER PREZI, YOU KNOW, LOTS.
WHY DON'T YOU CHIME IN
I WAS ASKED TO PLEASE, UH, FOR THE RECORD, THIS WAS MARCUS WATSON THAT HAD MADE THE LAST COMMENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER PREZI COMMENTING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S TWO DISTINCT THINGS TO LOOK AT HERE.
ONE IS THAT, IS THIS A AN EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING? AND IT'S NOT.
AND I WOULD NEVER, ON AN EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING, SAY ALUMINUM CLOUD OR METAL CLOUD WINDOWS, WE WOULDN'T, I THINK THIS IS A DIFFERENT, UH,
I THINK THIS IS A DIFFERENT I SITUATION.
'CAUSE IT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT DOES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU STAND FROM HERE AND LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THAT'S WOOD FROM BACK HERE.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE GETTING UP NEXT CLOSE TO IT.
UM, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE SHEER SIZE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT IF WE WANTED TO COMPROMISE ON IT, WELL, I GUESS IT'S NOT A COMPROMISE.
'CAUSE ON THE BACK AND THE SIDE, YOU ARE ALLOWED, YOU CAN DO IT.
IS THAT THE ONLY, THE FRONT FACADE WOULD BE THE TRUE, UH, TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO ME THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S, IT'S, I I THINK IT FITS WITHIN, WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UM, WITH WHAT'S THERE.
UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK, UH, THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR DRAWINGS THAT YOU SUBMITTED, AND I THINK THEY WERE EXCELLENT.
UM, WITH ALL OF THE WONDERFUL LITTLE HASH MARKS FROM WHERE YOU GOT ALL OF YOUR IDEAS AND EVERYTHING, IT WAS VERY, VERY GOOD TO SEE WHERE YOUR DESIGN INSPIRATION, UH, CAME FROM.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE CURSORY REVIEW AND TAKING THOSE INTO, UH, INTO ACCOUNT.
SO I JUST WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR, FOR DOING THAT.
THANK AGAIN, AND, AND MAYBE IT'S WORTH POINTING ON Y'ALL OR NO, BUT JUST EVEN ON OUR EXAMPLES, EVEN THE DIGITAL MAY OR MAY NOT COME THROUGH, BUT IN ALL OF OUR INTENTIONS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, THREE MOLD TOGETHER WINDOWS.
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INDIVIDUAL UNITS WITH WOOD TRIM DIVIDING EACH OF THOSE, AGAIN, VERY, VERY HISTORICALLY, UM, ACCURATE, UM, TO THE VIOL AND ALL.WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS MR. COX? THIS IS, UM, JUST A COMMENT, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AS, AS DAVE HAS POINTED OUT, TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS SORT OF NEW BUILDING AND, UM, A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION WITH NOT A FRONT AND AVAC, BUT TWO FRONTS AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND MAKE THAT, UH, VERY, VERY CLEAR BECAUSE, UH, SERIOUSLY, THE WAY THIS GETS OUT, MYTHICALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IS JUST INCREDIBLE.
AND THEY SAY, THEY TELL US WE CAN'T DO THIS.
WELL, YOU CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE AND IF YOU, I ONCE TOOK SOME WOODEN WINDOWS TO JIM ANDERSON'S HOUSE, FOR SURE.
UM, BUT I, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ANNOTATE AND, UH, MAKE THE POINT THAT IF IT, IF IT DOES GET APPROVED, THAT IT, IT IS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
IT'S A LARGER STRUCTURE AND THERE ARE MAINTENANCE AND OTHER ISSUES THAT COME IN.
BUT YES, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS A POINT AND MUST BE CONSIDERED THOUGH AS A HOMEOWNER.
I, I DON'T LIKE MAINTENANCE ISSUES EITHER.
AS A DEVELOPER, I REALLY UNDERSTAND COMMON SENSE, UH, MATERIALS, ESPECIALLY, UH, AS TECHNOLOGY HAS ENHANCED THE LOOK AND THE AESTHETIC, UH, ENERGY SAVINGS AND ALL THAT I DO.
UM, I GUESS, AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE, I'VE SEEN PELLA WINDOWS BROUGHT IN HERE JUST THE SAME WAY.
UM, SO MY ONLY REALLY COMMENT IS NOT JUST TO YOU, IT'S JUST TO THIS BODY OF CONSISTENCY BECAUSE UM, I KNOW RESIDENTS WITH 52 WINDOWS IN THEIR HOUSE, RIGHT? SO THEY COULD, THEY WOULD LOVE TO DO CLAD INSTEAD OF WOOD.
SO, UM, BUT IT'S NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
BUT THEN SOMETIMES WE DO ADVISE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO DO WOOD WINDOWS AS WELL.
SO I JUST, I THINK AS, BUT I AM SUPPORTIVE OF COMMON SENSE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE ONLY SIDE KIND OF PIECE TO THAT IS AFTER THE DECISION, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE OTHER COMMENTS OR THE OTHER REQUESTS THAT COME IN AFTERWARDS, LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, I DID THIS.
YOU DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I, I WANT US TO KIND OF HAVE, UM, NOT JUST A NOTATION OF WHY WE DID IT, BUT JUST SOME TYPE OF CONSISTENCY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'VE SEEN THE PELLA WINDOWS BROUGHT IN JUST LIKE THIS.
AND THAT'S HOW I KNOW IT'S PELLA BECAUSE I'VE PRICED IT, LIKE I SAID, I GOT 52 WINDOWS MYSELF IN MY HOME.
UM, BUT I'LL YIELD TO THE BODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE, UM, PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND KNOW, UH, HOW TO FEED, UH, AFFECTS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT AREA.
ALRIGHT, ANYBODY, UH, COMMISSIONER RENO? YES, COMMISSIONER, I'VE GOT A, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO I'M LOOKING AT, UM, LET'S SEE, WHICH IS THIS? UH, SO YOUR, YOUR SUBMITTAL, UH, IT'S OF THE ELEVATIONS, UM, ON THE NORTH PEAK ELEVATION IN PARTICULAR, UM, 2D OR THE 3D? IT'S THE, WELL, IT IS, IT'S FLAT, BUT IT IS 3D.
IT'S GOT ALL THOSE SHADOWS THROWN ON IT.
UH, SO THERE ARE ONE, LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE TWO BAYS IN PARTICULAR.
ONE, IF YOU GO FAR TO THE RIGHT, YEAH, THERE'S, UM, FOUR WINDOWS AND THEN WELL SIX WINDOWS IN IT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO CALL OUT IS THAT THERE ARE BRICK, THE DARKER BRICK HEADERS ARE ON THE MAJORITY OF THE ELEVATION, BUT THEN THERE ARE TWO CONDITIONS THAT ARE NOT.
AND IF THEY COULD BE THE SAME, THEY CERTAINLY COULD.
THAT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN A DRAFTING, UH, MOVEMENT.
SO ON THIS ONE, SO FOR, OKAY, THE FIRST BAY ON THE FAR RIGHT, UM, YOU'VE GOT BRICK, UH, OR THE BRICK HEADER ON EITHER SIDE, BUT THEN IN THE CENTER YOU DON'T, AND THAT'S IN THE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND ON THE THIRD FLOOR YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO NOTICE IT.
AND THEN ALSO ON THE, IN THE FAR RIGHT BAY, UH, FAR LEFT BAY, UH, IN THE, LET'S SEE, IF YOU, IF YOU SCROLL OVER TO THE FAR LEFT.
OH, IT'S A DIFFERENT ELEVATION WE'RE LOOKING AT.
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UH, IT'S ON 1000 NORTH CREEK, I THINK.WHEREVER YOU DON'T SEE
CAN YOU ADD IT? IT'S GOT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, IT'S, OH, HERE, HE'S ZOOMED IN THE BACK.
YEAH, BUT YOU JUST ZOOMED INTO THAT ONE.
SHOULD I GO? IT'S NOT ON THE SAME PAGE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING THE SECOND FLOOR UP INTO THE RIGHT OF THE, THE, THE CASTSTONE ENTRY ON THE, ON THE RIGHT UHHUH? UH, YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT'S NOT, NO, THERE'S NOT.
NO, THAT IS NOT AN INTENT TO BE DIFFERENT.
IT'S ALMOST COINING THAT WE BORROWED FROM YEAH.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY I WAS MISSING ON, ON JUST TWO BAYS OF THAT MAJOR ELEVATION.
I, I WAS LOOKING FOR IT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE TOO.
NOT THE OPPOSITE, BUT THE, THE OTHER CORNER I DIDN'T FIND.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE CONSISTENT ON ALL OF THOSE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, CAN YOU ADD IT
SO ANOTHER COMMENT,
SO I THINK THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT TOO IS THIS IS, THIS IS ON THE EDGE OF THE DISTRICT AND IT'S ALSO NEXT TO, UM, INCOMPATIBLE NEW CONSTRUCTION, NON-CONTRIBUTING CONSTRUCTION, UH, NEXT TO IT AS WELL ON, ON PEAK THERE.
UM, SO IT'S NOT IN THE CENTER OF THE DISTRICT SURROUNDED BY OTHER BUILDINGS.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF HAVING HARDY BOARD ON THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THAT IS FINE WITH ME.
BUT ANY WOOD OR HARDY BOARD FOR THAT MATTER ON THE PREDOMINANT FACADES, UH, IS THERE, UH, WHAT ARE HARDY BOARD SURROUNDING THE WINDOWS AND WHAT ARE THE BALLAST BANISTERS MADE OF ON THE BALCONIES? THE SHORT ANSWER IS THERE IS NO HARDY ON THE PERIMETERS.
UH, IT WOULD BE, LIKE I SAID, WOOD, WOOD ARE THE, ON THE VERTICALS THAT, THAT SEPARATE THE INDIVIDUAL 9 0 1 WINDOWS AND THE UH, UM, THE BALCONY RAILS WILL BE WOOD AS WELL.
ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, I, I HAVE ONE MORE.
UM, YOU, YOU HAVE AS THE EXAMPLE IS BIOLA COURTS, WHICH I THINK I TOLD YOU LAST TIME YOU HEAR IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE BUILDINGS IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVE JUST DOWN THE STREET BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS.
UM, AND, AND YOU'RE COPYING THAT THEY HAVE THAT LITTLE SHAPED PARAPET ON THE TOP, EXCEPT YOU'VE MADE JERSEYS JUST GOES UP AND THEN IT'S FLAT AND THEIRS HAS A LITTLE CURVE.
AND I CAN'T TELL IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE COPING ON THE TOP LIKE THEY DO OR NOT.
YEAH, WE, WE ON THOSE, ON THOSE ELEMENTS ON THE THIRD, THE FIRST, THIRD AND FIFTH, WE DO HAVE A CASTSTONE CAP TO THEM.
WE JUST, WE FELT WE, WE KICKED AROUND THAT SAME SWOOP AND DIDN'T WANT TO, WE DIDN'T WANNA IMITATE.
WE WANTED TO BE LIKE IT, BUT NOT EXACTLY.
AND WE OFTEN RECOMMENDED THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT JUST, JUST DRAW A SWOOP ON THERE AND SEE YOU OUGHT THINK ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE THAT MIGHT WORK OUT REALLY WELL.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
'CAUSE THIS ISN'T A COURTESY REVIEW.
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HINOJOSA.OKAY, LET ME GET MY READING GLASSES ON.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF 1000 NORTH PEAK STREET CA 2 34 DASH 4 75 MW, I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING WITH RELATED LANDSCAPING AND PARKING ON A VACANT LOT WITH CONDITIONS CITED.
AND WITH THE FIND AND OF FACT, THAT PRESERVATION CRITERIA ONLY ADDRESSES, LET'S SEE, WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND SIDE FACADE AS NORMALLY PROTECTED.
AND THE RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED CONDITION IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE CITY CODE AND SECRETARY AND INTERIOR STANDARDS INCORPORATED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A SECOND, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD ANOTHER CONDITION.
UH, COMMISSIONER RENO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, PROPOSE ANOTHER CONDITION.
COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, SHE'S SMILING.
UM, THE CONDITION THAT I'M TRYING TO, UM, THE CONDITION THAT, UM, ALL HEADERS HAVE THE ALTERNATE, UH, OR RATHER THE DARKER OF THE TWO PINPOINT BRICK COLORS, ALL HEADERS HAVE THE DARKER OF THE TWO BRICK COLORS.
AND IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA? YES IT IS.
ALRIGHT THEN COMMISSIONER RENO IS OUR SECOND NOW ANY DISCUSSION OF THIS? OKAY.
CAN I ASK CLARIFICATION? SO THIS WAS, UM, IS THIS TO APPROVE WITH THE ALUMINUM? NO, THIS IS TO APPROVE THE WAY STAFF SUGGESTED IT AND THEIR CONDITIONS WERE THAT THE WINDOWS ON THE BRICK FACADES FACING INVISIBLE FROM BOTH SWISS AVENUE AND PEAK STREAK BE ALL WOOD INSIDE AND OUT WITH NO CLADDING.
SO THAT IS THE CURRENT ONE ON THE TABLE.
AND ACTUALLY YOU DON'T USUALLY GET TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
THAT'S HOW OUR OPERATING RULES GO.
SO ANY COMMENTARY BY COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE CLOUD.
UM, SO LET'S GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA AGAIN.
COMMISSIONER RENO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF YOU WOULD LISTEN OUT.
THAT THE WINDOWS SUBMITTED AS, UH, OR RATHER THAT THE WINDOWS BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED WITH, UM, ALUMINUM CLOUD ON A, WITH THE, WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT IT IS, UM, NOT DETRIMENTAL TO THE, UH, TO THE ORDINANCES AS, UH, AS WRITTEN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY? IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE HAVE NOW CHANGED THE MOTION TOO MUCH TO CALL IT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
AND YET THE PERSON WHO KNOWS IS SAYING UP, I'M ASKING OUR CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE DID YOU ACCEPT THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA? I DID NOT HEAR.
I I'LL ACCEPT IT IF NECESSARY.
WE HAVE MADE TWO CHANGES, OR RATHER THE SECOND HAS REQUESTED THE MAKER OF THE MOTION TO MAKE TWO CHANGES.
LET US HEAR FROM OUR ATTORNEY BEFORE ANY OF THE REST OF US ABOUT WHETHER THIS CONSTITUTES SOMETHING WE CAN DO OR WHETHER WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION AS IS.
AND IF IT DOESN'T PASS DUE A NEW MOTION.
WELL, WHILE YOU MADE THE CHANGES, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO STAFF? BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD IS THAT SHE'S BASICALLY APPROVING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THAT THE WINDOWS, INSTEAD OF IT BEING NO CLADDING AND WOOD INSIDE, THAT THEY CAN BE APPROVED WITH THE ALUMINUM CLAD AND THAT THE CONDITION THAT THE HEADERS HAVE, THE DARKER THE TWO BRICK COLORS, THAT IS WHAT HAS CHANGED FROM HER ORIGINAL MOTION AND IT NOW STANDS.
SO IF THAT'S CLEAR AND STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT, THEN I THINK YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION.
SO, SO WHAT I, WHAT, WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO, IS IT ACTUALLY APPROVAL? ELIMINATING MY CONDITION, BUT ADDING ANOTHER ONE ON THE ROOF OFF THE BRICK, BUT ELIMINATING THE WINDOW CONDITION? CORRECT.
I WANNA ASK AGAIN WITH, SO THE ATTORNEY RECOMMENDS THAT WE COULD PROCEED FROM WHERE WE ARE.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER REEVES, I
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JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ALL OF YOU HAVE DISAPPEARED OFF MY SCREEN EXCEPT ME.WE ARE ALL STILL HERE AND WE CAN SEE, SO YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONE.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I GET IN A MINUTE THAT, THAT IT SET COMMISSIONER REEVES, THIS IS INSPECTOR MCCLENDON.
UH, THERE'S A LAYOUT BUTTON ON THERE.
HAVE YOU TRIED THAT? EVERYBODY'S BACK NOW
I DON'T WANT I ONE OF FAIL SAFE THOSE WINDOWS.
AND, AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DID YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD? NO, I AGREE THAT THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
IF WE'RE GO DOWN THIS ROAD, WE GOTTA MAKE IT NICE AND TIGHT.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I WAS TRYING TO HELP BACK SOME CLARITY LIKE EVERYONE'S TRYING TO MOVE, SO IT MIGHT BE BEST TO RESTATE THE MOTION.
YEAH, WE, WE WOULD GO BACK WITH THESE THINGS 'CAUSE COMMISSIONER HOSA PRETTY MUCH READ THE ENTIRETY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK CAUSES THE CONFUSION BECAUSE THE FINDING OF FACT AT THE END IS LARGELY AS ALLISON POINTED OUT.
AND AS JERRY MEANT TO ALSO INDICATE THAT IT'S NEWER CONSTRUCTION ON THE EDGE OF THE DISTRICT AND THUS DOES NOT GO AGAINST THE ORDINANCE.
SO COMMISSIONER HOSA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION BECAUSE WE SEEM TO BE DISCUSSING NO LONGER HAVING THE ONE CONDITION PUT IN BY STAFF.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN RESTATE IT AND THEN Y'ALL HELP ME WITH IT IF I DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT.
UH, IN THE MATTER OF 1000 NORTH PEAK STREET CA 2 3 4 DASH 4 75 MW MOVE, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDING WITH RELATED LANDSCAPE AND IN PARKING ON A VACANT LOT WITH CONDITIONS CITED, UH, THAT ALL HEADERS HAVE THE DARKER OF THE TWO BRICK COLORS AND THAT WINDOWS BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED AS ALUMINUM CLAD, UH, WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND THE CITY CODE AND SECRETARY INTERIOR STANDARDS INCORPORATED.
LEMME SEE IF I GOT THAT RIGHT.
WE MIGHT ADD IN THAT WE HAVE BEEN SHOWN AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROPOSED WINDOW TODAY, AND THAT'S THE WINDOW.
MARCUS NEVER DISPUTES ANYTHING.
UM, IS THERE A, A NAME OF THAT WINDOW, SIR? MAKER LINCOLN LINCOLN WINDOWS LINCOLN MENIS.
WE LIKE SOME DOCUMENTATION, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
THE SECOND, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? UH, JUST WANTED TO ADD THE FINDING OF FACT THAT, UH, IT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT IS, UH, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND THAT IS ON THE EDGE OF, UH, OF PEAKS EDITION, UH, DISTRICT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE EDGE? YOU MEAN LIKE THAT'S THE, AT ITS BOUNDARY.
IT IS AT THE BOUNDARY AND AS A RESIDENT OF FIXED EDITION, I'M AWARE IT IS ALSO ON A BLOCK THAT IS, HAS LESS HOUSES AND MORE MULTIFAMILY THAN OTHER BLOCKS WITHIN OUR AREA DO.
AND THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THIS HAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA.
THIS IS BETTER THAN THE ONE NEXT TO IT.
SO
FRONTAGE OF THE TWO MAJOR STREETS.
ALRIGHT, IF IF THERE'S ANY MORE COMMENTARY, LET ME KNOW BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO VOTE.
JUST, UH, CLARIFYING THE LAST, UH, PROPOSAL WITH FIND AN EFFECT.
WHAT ELSE? AND IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AND IT IS LOCATED AT THE BOUNDARY OF THE DISTRICT ON A STREET WITH MORE MULTIFAMILY THAN SINGLE HOUSES.
CROSS OVER THE LINE TO THAT ONE.
ALRIGHT, ARE WE READY TO VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL VOTE EVEN THOUGH I ONLY HEARD TWO, BUT I STILL, I STILL WANNA KNOW IF YOUR LINE PLEASE.
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DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHARMAN.ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON HAS TO SHARE WITH US IF HE, HE WAS THE CENTER, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
OUR ROLL CALL DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY AYE.
DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN AYE.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER ETT AYE.
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HOSA AYE.
DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON NA NAY NA.
DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER RENO.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PRE AYE.
ALRIGHT, SO THE COM THE, UM, THE MOTION HAS THAT IT, YES, THE MOTION HAS CLEARLY CARRIED, BUT NOT EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY WITH IT.
UH, PLEASE BUILD A LOVELY BUILDING.
RIGHT NOW I WALK PAST THE PILE OF RUBBLE FROM THE PREVIOUS BUILDING AND HOPE YOU DO A GOOD JOB.
AND AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONER LI LIVINGSTON'S REASONING WAS.
YEAH, NO, IT, I, THIS HAS, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M JUST TRYING TO STAND ON CONSISTENCY AND I THINK I, I AGREE IT DOES SAVE COSTS.
I KNOW IT SAVES COSTS 'CAUSE OF PRICE.
I HEARD A PILLOW, BUT IT LOOKS THE SAME SIM FROM MY EYE FROM HERE.
UM, BUT UM, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN IN, I'VE BEEN IN MEETINGS WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE WE'VE, WE'VE IMPOSED THAT ON A LAND ON OUR OWN NEW CONSTRUCTION, OLD CONSTRUCTION CORNER OF THE DISTRICT.
SO, UM, I COULDN'T IN GOOD CONSCIENCE NOT IMPOSE THAT POSITION DESPITE IT BEING ON THE CORNER, DESPITE IT BEING ACROSS THE STREET FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST COULDN'T, UM, SO THANKFULLY TODAY THE GROUP RULED IN, IN THE MAJORITY OF YOUR FAVORITE.
SO I, I JUST, I JUST FELT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE I COULDN'T INCONSISTENTLY SUPPORT THAT KIND OF, UH, MATERIAL WHEN I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN CO SITUATIONS WHERE A SMALL, SMALL MOM AND POP PROPERTY OWNER HAS BEEN TOLD TO GET THE WOOD WINDOW.
SO THAT'S JUST MY POSITION HONOR AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
AND OFTEN I HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO VOTE WHEN I KNEW I WAS GONNA BE OUT VOTED.
JUST SO SOMEBODY STOOD FOR THE SIDE I THOUGHT WE OUGHT TO BE VOTING FOR.
AND YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT ALSO IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FLEXIBLE PEOPLE.
WE CAN RETHINK THE WAY WE'VE DONE THINGS IN AN APPROPRIATE SITUATION AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT THE SAME WAY NEXT TIME.
ITEM D NINE IS LOCATED AT 1 0 4 SOUTH WINDERMERE AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 34 DASH 4 81 MW.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH TWO DWELLING UNITS IN THE EAST REAR YARD AND ADJACENT PAVED PARKING AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, PARTIALLY UNAUTHORIZED WORK STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH TWO DWELLING UNITS IN THE EAST REAR YARD AND ADJACENT ADJACENT PARKING AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, PARTIALLY UNAUTHORIZED WORK HE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE PORTION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING LOCATED IN THE CORNER SIDE GUARD IN FRONT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE'S JEFFERSON FACADE BE DEMOLISHED AS PROPOSED BEFORE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING THAT EITHER THE BRICK FROM THE PREVIOUS DEMOLISHED BUILDING BE REUSED OR BE MATCHED THAT THE WINDOWS AND DOORS BE WOOD INSIDE AND OUT, NO CLADDING THAT THE PARKING LOT MEET OR EXCEED MINIMUM SCREENING STANDARDS FOR MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES AND BE CONSTRUCTED OF BRUSH
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FINISHED CON CONCRETE THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCH THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THAT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE BE A WOOD BOARD ON BOARD DESIGN NOT TO EXCEED NINE FEET IN HEIGHT.IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 51 P DASH 87.11 A, ONE A THREE, A FIVE A, 10 A 14, A 17 FB TWO AND B NINE.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN AT TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH TWO DWELLING UNITS IN THE EAST REAR YARD AND ADJACENT PAID PARKING AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, PARTIALLY UNAUTHORIZED WORK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
NEED PROOF THAT PLAN MEETS ZONING REQUIREMENTS, NEED SITE PLAN AND PROPOSED BUILDING, NOT BOTH EXISTING AND PROPOSED IN ONE DRAWING, WHICH IS CONFUSING.
NOTE THE ZONING UNIT HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE PROPERTY DID RETAIN ITS NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS AND THE BUILDING CAN BE BUILT.
AND WE DO HAVE, UH, MR. MARTINEZ IS HERE AGAIN TO SPEAK TO US.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS 28 33 BEHI FORT WORTH, TEXAS.
AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH STILL.
OKAY, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR, YOUR THREE MINUTES ON THIS ONE.
I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED.
UM, I THINK, UH, AND MARCUS KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND UH, AFTER SOME DIGGING WITH THE ZONING, UM, I THINK THE MAIN CLARIFICATION WAS IF WE RETAIN OUR CONFIRMING RIGHTS, UH, WHICH HE NOTES ON THERE THAT WE DID.
AND THEN I THINK DURING THE TASK FORCE MEETING, UH, THERE WERE JUST SOME CONFUSION WITH THE PLANS.
UM, WE'VE KIND OF UPDATED THEM SINCE THE TASK FORCE MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PULL THOSE UP.
UM, AND BASICALLY, UM, WE ARE FINE WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE UM, NAMED OUT EARLIER.
UM, AND WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THIS, UH, BUILDING, WHICH, THE MAIN BUILDING IT'S SET TO BE COMPLETED, UH, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF SEP SEPTEMBER.
UM, AND WE'LL JUST BE LEFT WITH THIS ACCESSORY BUILDING TO BE COMPLETED AND THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL.
QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? YES.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MARTINEZ.
UM, THE ELEVATIONS I WAS TRYING TO DISCERN, UH, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN FOR THE COMMISSION, 'CAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT HEIGHTS SHOWN FOR THE WINDOW HEADS OR I THINK THE WINDOW HEADS WERE ALL CONSISTENTLY SHOWN AT SIX FEET, BUT THE DOOR IS TYPICALLY SEVEN FEET AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE INDICATING HERE.
AND THEN I WAS LOOKING IN THE, UH, ON THE ELEVATIONS, UH, THAT ARE SHOWN MORE.
I THINK THE BRICK WAS, WAS INDICATED, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT PAGE THAT WAS ON, BUT IT SHOWED THAT THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR WERE ALL AT THE SAME HEIGHT AND THEY'RE AT SIX FEET, I DON'T BELIEVE A SIX FOOT DOOR, UH, MEETS CODE.
WHAT'S THE INTENTION? SEVEN FEET? UH, SEVEN FEET? YES.
UH, I THINK THAT MUST HAVE BEEN, LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A YEAR NOW.
I THINK, UH, WE USE SOME OF THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE CITY.
I THINK THAT'S THE PAGE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AS WE IN THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE, UH, WINDOWS.
UM, BUT DEFINITELY THERE'LL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CORRECT HEIGHT, WHICH IS SEVEN FEET, UH, OR SO IS ON THAT END OF, ON THAT ELEVATION IN PARTICULAR YES.
IT'S JUST A MISTAKE ON THE DRAFTING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? ANYBODY AT HOME? NO.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, OH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN ALSO HAS A QUESTION ACTUALLY.
WELL, HE ALREADY WENT FIRST, SO YOU DO A SECOND
WELL, UM, FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T INTEND TO VOTE IN FAVOR LARGELY BECAUSE KNOWING THE STEPS THAT WERE TAKEN IN THIS CASE WITH RESPECT TO THIS BUILDING, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST ITS APPROVAL LARGELY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT THE RIGHT REMAINS TO EXIST.
WHAT THE INAPPROPRIATENESS TO ME IS, HAD THIS BEEN REQUESTED OF US, UM, AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PROPER SEQUENCE, WOULD WE HAVE APPROVED THIS AS IT WAS CREATED? UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO, UM,
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SUPPORT.AND THAT'S SOMETHING I, I JUST CAN'T DO.
THIS IS A CLARIFICATION QUESTION FOR, UH, STAFF.
UM, THERE IN THE DRAWINGS HERE WE HAVE THE, UM, BUILDING AND TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UH, ONE IS CLOSER TO THE STREET AND THEN ONE IS KIND OF LINED UP BEHIND THE BUILDING DIRECTLY.
AND THEN IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT'S EXISTING NOW WITH A PARTIALLY BUILT BUILDING, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CLOSER TO THE STREET.
SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW, IS IT, WHICH, WHICH PART OF THE DRAWING IS CORRECT?
OKAY, SO THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF ILLUSTRATES THE AREA THAT IS CLOSER TO THE STREET HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED AND THAT'S PART OF MY CONDITION SIZE.
SO THAT THE GREEN PART BEING ADDED TO THE REAR, UM, WELL, IT TAKES THE PLACE OF THE BLUE PART, BUT THE BLUE PART HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED.
SO A PORTION OF THE BUILDING WILL REMAIN STANDING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND THEN YOU, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE MOVING THE FRONT TO THE BACK BASICALLY.
IF THEY HAD ENOUGH HORSES, THEY COULD JUST DRAG IT LIKE THEY USED TO DRAG BUILDINGS.
COMMISSIONER RENO, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO ADD? UH, YES, I WAS JUST WONDERING IN THE MOTION, DOES IT, DO I, UH, WOULD IT BE PROPER THAT I ADD A CONDITION THAT THE WINDOW HEADS AND THE DOOR HEAD IS ALL AT SEVEN FEET OR, THAT'S FINE.
THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, REGARDING, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM 9 1 0 4 SOUTH WINDERMERE AVENUE, UH, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 3 4 4 8 1 MW THAT WE, UM, FOLLOW, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS STATED WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE, UH, ON THE, THE, THE BUILDING IN, UH, THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING, THAT THE WINDOW HEADS AND THE DOOR PADS ALL MATCH TO BE SEVEN FEET OFF OF THE FINISHED FLOOR.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GAY.
UM, ALL RIGHT, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS THERE? UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I FEEL THAT THERE'S QUESTIONS WHETHER OR NOT THESE BUILDINGS ORIGINALLY WERE EVEN APARTMENTS, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN OUTBUILDINGS OR LAUNDRIES OR SOMETHING.
I THINK THE WHOLE THING FOLLOWED KIND OF AN INTERESTING PATH.
AND I ALSO DON'T AGREE WITH THE ZONING, UM, OFFICE THAT THEY KEEP THEIR CONFORMING RIGHTS, THE BUILDINGS ARE GONE AND THAT YOU, ALRIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS MADE GOOD ARGUMENTS TO THAT POINT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY THEN I GUESS IT'S TIME THAT WE CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, THEY SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? PLEASE SAY NAY, NAY, NAY.
I'M PRETTY SURE THERE WERE THREE OF US, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE ROLL CALL NEVER HURTS TO DOUBLE CHECK AND BE SURE.
YEAH, IF WE COULD JUST COMMISSION, I'M SORRY.
UH, DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN NAY.
DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.
DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN AYE.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OFFIT NAY.
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HOSA AYE.
UM, DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER ACY.
DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER RENO.
DISTRICT 10 COMMISSIONER COMPS.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AYE.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER PRESI.
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UM, SO GO BACK TO YOUR EMPLOYER AND TELL THEM WHAT HAPPENED.AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS AND COME SEE US AGAIN ANYTIME YOU NEED TO.
AND PLEASE GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THE REVISED DRAWINGS, UH, SO THAT I CAN FINISH IT UP.
YES, THIS IS CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 1 7 0 4 LOWELL STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 4 8 8 CP REQUEST.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? MR. ANDERSON SAID SOMETHING.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT GRAVEL OR CRUSHED STONE NOT BE USED AS GROUND COVER AS NEITHER MATERIAL WAS TRADITIONALLY USED IN JUNIORS HEIGHTS LANDSCAPE AND IS THEREFORE NOT COMPATIBLE AND WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PRE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.5, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SEC SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND DISTRICT TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND YOU MAY NOTICE THAT WE HAVE TURNED ON THE CLOSED CAPTIONING.
UH, THAT IS TO FACILITATE UNDERSTANDING BY OUR SPEAKER, THE APPLICANT.
I THINK IT WORKS BETTER IF YOU SPEAK CLEARLY.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING HOW GOOD A JOB IT DID AND IT KEEPS GETTING THE WRONG WORD, BUT IT'S CLOSE.
SO LET'S, LET'S HOPE THAT IT WILL WORK ADEQUATELY AND CHRISTINA WILL ALSO HELP WITH ANY COMMUNICATION.
OUR SPEAKER IS ROD RUSSELL IDES.
AND I NEED FOR YOU, SIR, TO TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
MY NAME, ADDRESS, AND WHAT WAS THE LAST PRO PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH? OH, OKAY.
I LIVE AT 7 26 LOWELL STREET AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
NOW WILL YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO START WITH, TO TELL US ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN ABOUT YOUR LANDSCAPING REQUEST? ACCORDING TO WHAT I JUST READ, UM, I, I HAD TALKED TO CHRISTINA ABOUT THE PROJECT AND SHE TOLD ME THAT IT WAS DENIED AND WHAT THE PROBLEMS WERE WITH THE PLAN, AND PART OF IT WAS JUST MY OMISSION OF LIKE A BIG OAK TREE IN THE CENTER.
UH, IT WAS WRITTEN FOR MY CLIENT.
WE ALL KNEW THE OAK TREE WAS THERE, IT WASN'T GONNA BE TAKEN OUT.
AND THEN THE PROBLEM THAT COMES WITH, UH, WHY IT WAS REJECTED IS USING GRAVELS AND GRAVELS IS NOT, UH, SORT OF A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT I WANT OF A RIVER ROCK.
IS WHAT, AND THAT WILL BE SPARE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SET AS A BASE FOR THE GROUND COVERS THAT WE HAVE.
I'VE GOT A HUNDRED, UH, BEAUTIFUL SNOW AND, UH, UH, SUMMER, UH, GROUND COVER, JASMINE.
IT'S GOING IN THE FRONT CURVE OF THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE, THE ACCUMBENS ON THE GREEN THAT'S GONNA COVER THE WALK.
AND THEN, UH, MOVING INTO, UH, THE OTHER GROUND COVERS THAT I HAVE MARKED IS GONNA BE A SUCCULENTS.
AND THOSE I PICK, UH, RATHER THAN, UH, MARK THEM, I GO, WHEN IT'S TIME TO PICK MY, UH, PLANTS, I GO TO SOUTHWEST.
AND THE ONES THAT LOOK THE BEST THAT DO I USE, I DON'T JUST GRAB STUFF.
UH, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE END OF MY THREE MINUTES TO SAY, UH, IS THERE'S NOT GONNA BE GRAVEL.
AND, UH, USING, UM, UH, A PARTIAL, UH, C QUARTZ, WHICH IS A GREEN, BEAUTIFUL GREEN, UH, MAYBE USED AROUND THE ENTRY OF THE HOUSE, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA USE IT.
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AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THEM.ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WHO HAS QUESTIONS? UH, THERE WAS A, UM, A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
I THINK IN THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIZE AND SCALE OF IT, IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE BOULDERS, THEY WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY LABELED, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE BOULDERS IN THE, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE SIDE YARD BETWEEN THE, THE SIDEWALK AND THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE, THE EASTERN ELEVATOR OR THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT ACTUALLY THE BOULDERS ARE BROWN.
ALL, UH, DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE BOULDERS IN THE DRIVEWAY ON THE PALLETS? I HA I HAVE, UH, NINE BOULDERS GOING IN.
THEY ARE FROM, UM, THE, UH, UH, GRAND CANYON.
NONE OF THEM ARE, UH, WILL BE UP MORE THAN TWO FEET IN THE GROUND.
UH, IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE STONE, YOU DON'T SET A ROCK ON THE GROUND.
IT'S SETTLED, IT'S, IT'S SPACED OR ALL SORTS OF THINGS WITH DEALING IN WITH STONE.
AND SO ALL OF THOSE STONES ARE GONNA BE PLACED.
THERE'S NOTHING BLOCKING ANYTHING, UH, AS FAR AS A VIEW DOWN THE STREET OR A VIEW TO THE HOUSE.
THEN, UH, SECONDARILY THERE, WE WERE TRYING TO DETERMINE AGAIN THE SCALE OF SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, LANDSCAPE YOU HAD THERE ON THE SIDE.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT'S LABELED AS A MAPLE.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN SO ABOUT WHAT THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THAT ONE IS? IT'S THE, I THINK IT'S THE PINK ONE.
THE LARGEST CIRCLE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE TREE.
WELL ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF MY, THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE, SHE, MY CLIENT SAID SHE DIDN'T WANT THAT TREE AND I JUST DIDN'T TAKE IT OUT.
AND THEN THE SMALLER PURPLE ONES THAT ARE ALONG THAT, THOSE ARE, UM, WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING, THEY'RE ON THE EAST SIDE AS WELL OF THE, OF THOSES.
WELL, THAT'S LAURA PETAL AND THOSE DON'T GROW.
BUT, UH, WHERE WE, WE CAN, THEY CAN GROW BIGGER, BUT WE'RE MAINTAINING, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE GARDEN AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LOW, UH, NOT OVER TWO, TWO AND A HALF FEET.
NOTHING'S GONNA BLOCK THE VIEW FROM THE STREET LOOKING DOWN OUR STREET, UH, AT THE YARDS.
THERE ARE SOME YARDS THERE THAT HAVE, UH, BLOCKAGE WITH PLANTS, BUT OURS ISN'T GONNA BE ONE OF THEM.
SO ROUGHLY IT'S ABOUT, UH, TWO FEET OF, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS MATERIALS BETWEEN THE ROCKS.
THEY GO, WHAT THEY DO IS ENHANCE THE STONE.
I DON'T WANT, IT'S NOT GONNA GROW OVER THE STONE, SO YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
IT'S GONNA BE TAILORED WITH THE STONE IN A CONVERSATION OF PLANTING STONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? I'LL CHECK THIS.
ANYONE AT HOME? UH, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, BASED ON THOSE, THAT SAME TREE LINE, UH, IS YOUR INTENT JUST TO KIND OF CREATE A BARRIER WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS? IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE STRETCH BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE SIDEWALK, OBVIOUSLY.
SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WOULD'VE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE FROM THE SEPARATION FROM THE OTHER HOUSE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THIS IS THE HOLMES DRIVEWAY.
SORRY, I'M GONNA PUT IT BACK UP AS WELL.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PROBLEM.
YOU THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE SEPARATING THE, WHICH PART ARE YOU ASKING? GO TO THE SEPARATING WHAT PHOTO OF THE HOUSE IN THE FRONT.
OH, I WASN'T SAYING IT WAS A PROBLEM.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR INTENT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING A, A A KIND OF A NATURAL BARRIER BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, AND THE SIDEWALK.
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AND AT FIRST GLANCE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE HOUSE.PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, BUT THAT'S NOT THE HOUSE'S PROPERTY.
THAT'S THIS PROPERTY'S DRIVEWAY.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, I I WORK WITH THE HISTORIC LANDSCAPES AND I HOW DOES THIS LANDSCAPE, FIRST OF ALL, THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN IS VERY NICE, BY THE WAY.
UM, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY FIT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE FRONT YARDS OF THE PREDOMINANT HOUSES ON YOUR STREET? LIKE HOW DOES, OKAY, HOLD ON.
WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPING OR ON THE PREDOMINANT, UH, HOUSES ON YOUR STREET WASN'T THE PREDOMINANT LANDSCAPE BE REGARD TO THE OTHER HOUSES? OH, FOR THE OTHER HOUSES, GRASS AND, UH, FOUNDATION, SOME DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WHICH I'M TRYING TO CHANGE.
BEEN THERE 25 YEARS AND I'M HELPING, UH, NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET SHIELD.
THE APARTMENT HOUSE I GAVE, UH, GAVE THEM, UH, WAX MYRTLES AT MY COST TO BLOCK THE, UH, STREET.
UM, THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T GO WITH THE OTHERS, IT GOES WITH THIS, UH, HOUSE DOWN AT THE END OF THE STREET, WHICH IS MY HOUSE.
AND MY CLIENT WANTED MY YARD AND I GAVE HER, UH, UH, NOT, NOT MY YARD, BUT UH, THE INSPIRATION FOR MY YARD IS THERE FOR HER.
SHE, UH, UH, KNEW MY WORK, UH, AND UH, UH, THIS IS WHAT SHE WANTED.
AND, UH, I HAVE DONE FIVE HOUSES ON LOWELL, UH, FRONT YARDS AND BACKYARDS.
UH, AND UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE RUN INTO A PROBLEM ACTUALLY.
WELL, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT HISTORICALLY THERE WERE LARGE LAWNS AND FOUNDATION PLANTS AND SOMETIMES PLANTS DOWN THE WALKWAY.
I FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE AS THE TASK FORCE NEIGHBORS DID BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING THE HISTORIC LOOK OF YOUR YARD AND IT LOOKS MORE CONTEMPORARY THAN JUNIOR HIGH SHOULD BE, IN MY OPINION.
UH, KENDALL, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT.
CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? SINCE ALL OF THE, SINCE ALL OF THE YARDS HISTORICALLY WERE GRASS, MY FEELING IS THAT THIS IS A VERY CONTEMPORARY DESIGN.
ALTHOUGH IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, I DO NOT FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE AS THE NEIGHBORS ON THE TASK FORCE.
IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO JUNIORS HEIGHTS.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, THE HISTORIC, UH, UH, COMMISSION, I BELIEVE IN THE BEAUTY OF ALL THAT, UH, THE HOUSES AND THE WORK.
BUT WHEN THESE HOUSES WERE BUILT, THERE WAS NO GRASS AT ALL.
THEY WERE SWEEPING DIRT WHEN THAT WAS BUILT IN, UH, IN 2019 AND THE GRASS CAME AND THEN THE, UH, HISTORIC COMMISSION CAME.
AND, UH, I'M NOT SEEING THAT, UH, THAT CONFLICTS WITH, UH, BEAUTIFUL YARDS.
UM, AM I OUTTA MY THREE MINUTES?
YOU WERE ANSWERING, ANSWERING HIM.
I I, I WOULD'VE EXPECTED THERE TO BE LAWNS AT THE BEGINNING OF THESE HOUSES THAT'S A LITTLE LATE FOR A SWEPT, SWEPT YARD.
LAWNS BECAME FAIRLY TRENDY DURING THE 18 HUNDREDS AND FOR THE WEALTHY AND TRICKLED DOWN TO ALL THE REST OF US WHO WANTED TO, TO LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THEIR FRONT YARD.
SO THERE WERE PROBABLY LAWNS THE WHOLE TIME, BUT WE'RE ASKING WHAT, WHAT SHOULD THERE BE NOW? UH, WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE? WHAT SHOULD THERE BE NOW WE, WE COMMISSIONERS ARE TRYING.
WE HAVE TO THINK
UH, OUR YARD, UH, THE WATERING IN TEXAS, THE WATER IS GOING DOWN.
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SHOULD, UH, APPRECIATE THAT.AND WE HAVE OFTEN ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF GRASS BEING TRADITIONAL, BUT ALSO BEING CHALLENGING IN OUR CURRENT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS.
MY SOLUTION WAS TO LET THE GRASS DIE, BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT SOLUTION.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WHAT QUESTION DO YOU HAVE? UM, MY QUESTION MR. EID IS, IS BROUGHT ABOUT BY, UM, A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS I HAVE IN THAT I WAS TRAINED TO RECOGNIZE THAT PRESERVATION IS NOT A BEAUTY CONTEST.
AND THIS IS AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT ISN'T WELL SUITED FOR THE FRONT YARD, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY STUMBLING BLOCK IS IN PERCEIVING IT AS BEING SUITABLE FOR THE FRONT YARD.
THE BOULDERS, IN MY OPINION, ARE A MODERN APPLICATION.
AND THUS BECAUSE OF THAT THEY TEND TO, UH, GRAB ATTENTION, I BELIEVE AND DETRACT FROM THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE.
UM, I CAN LIVE WITH THE PLAN AS IT IS, UM, AND AS DESCRIBED HERE IN THE RECOMMENDATION, IF THE BOULDERS ARE REMOVED AS A CONDITION, I NO DOUBT THOSE BOULDERS ARE BEAUTIFUL, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE TYPE OF ENHANCEMENT THAT ALSO ENHANCES ARCHITECTURE.
AND WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE MAIN DWELLING AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
AND NO DOUBT YOUR YARD WAS AN INSPIRATION.
UM, AND I HA I HATE TO BE THE ONE THAT OFFERS UP A SQUELCH TO ANYBODY'S WORK OF ART, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, THE LENS WE HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH TELLS US.
WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE ARCHITECTURE TOO.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY POSITION IN THIS CASE.
LET ME SAY THIS, UH, I'VE BEEN, UH, COMPOSING GARDENS FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND THEY ARE TO ENHANCE THE HOUSE, NOT DETRACT FROM THEM AND MY CLIENTS.
AND WHAT I DO IS NOT THE DETRACTING ARCHITECTURE.
I BELIEVE IN THE, THAT EVERY HOUSE ON THAT STREET IS A GORGEOUS ORIGINAL.
THAT'S WHAT I LOVED ABOUT LOWELL.
WE'VE BEEN THERE 25 YEARS AND THEY TEAR ME OUT, BUT MY GARDENS DON'T DETRACT AT ALL.
AND THE STONES ARE NOT JUMPING.
THEY ARE NESTLED WITH THE, WITH THE PLANTS.
IT'S NOT A, OH, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE YARD AND THEN, GEE, I MISSED THE HOUSE.
WHAT'S IT LOOK LIKE? IT LEADS UP TO THE HOUSE AND GO, GOD, THAT'S A GORGEOUS HOUSE.
QUESTION OH, STAFF, THE WRITTEN GUIDELINES ON LANDSCAPE, IS IT CLEARLY, IS THIS CLEARLY AN OBJECTION TO THE WRITTEN GUIDELINES OF THEIR ORDINANCE? THESE ARE THE ACTUAL WRITTEN GUIDELINES.
I CAN'T MOVE THAT OTHER THING THAT'S BEYOND MY
I DON'T HAVE ACCESS AND AMBIGUOUS, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO NO THIS THE ITEMS OF BOULDERS OR CORRECT SPECIFIC TREES AND SIZE AND HEIGHT.
THIS IS, I DON'T THINK WE BETTER TALK AT THE SAME TIME WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED CAPTIONING ON.
SO IT JUST HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE.
IT HAS NO SPECIFICS ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN HAVE FOLDERS OR SPECIFIC PLANS, WHICH HAS LED US TO THIS DISCUSSION OF WHAT
BUT THE TASK FORCE DIDN'T GIVE ANY MORE SPECIFICS THAN N NO, BECAUSE WHEN THE TASK FORCE SAW IT, THEY, THEY DIDN'T SEE THE FULL DRAWING.
FIRST OF ALL, HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT.
AND SECOND OF ALL, IT WAS VERY QUICK.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE, LIKE I, I INCLUDED THE BREAKDOWN OF EACH PLANT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE THIS HIGH OR THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
THEY HAD ONLY THE DRAWING AND IT WAS VERY QUICK.
SO IT WAS LITERALLY A COUPLE MINUTES AND THEY JUST LOOKED AT IT.
AND OF COURSE WALKING UP TO THIS, YOU THINK, OH MY GOD, THIS DOES NOT BELONG BECAUSE YOU, YOU'D THINK EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE THIS TALL.
AND SO IT WAS VERY QUICK GLANCE.
THEY JUST RIGHT AWAY THAT WAS THEIR MAIN CONCERN WAS THEY THOUGHT THE TREE WAS
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GONNA BE GONE, WHICH IT WASN'T.AND THAT IT WAS JUST ELABORATE.
SO MIKE, THE TASK FORCE, UH, GIVEN MORE TIME TO DISCUSS AND REVIEW ALL THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION, WOULD THAT BE OTHER THAN TIME CONSTRAINTS FROM THE DESIGNER? I WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE? YOU MEAN IF IT WENT BACK TO TASK FORCE? UM, IT COULD BE, BUT THAT WOULD DEPEND ON IF IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AND YEAH, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT SUPPLIES.
THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY NEEDED A CA SO WORK HAS STOPPED ON THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO SAY THAT'S JUST WHERE IT'S AT.
BUT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE GENTLEMAN TO ATTEND OR I DON'T KNOW.
DOES IS HE A PART, HE'S A PART OF THAT? IS HE, IT WOULD ALLOW US MORE TIME TO GET SOME, GET THE ACCURATE INFORMATION AT THE TASK FORCE MEETING.
WELL YOU, YOU HAVE THE ACCURATE INFORMATION YOURSELF.
WELL WHAT YEAH, BUT TO OVERRULE TASK FORCE, RIGHT.
YOU YOU DON'T, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT TASK FORCE GETTING THE INFORMATION.
YOU JUST WANT TASK FORCE TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, NO, NO.
YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME.
WELL IT'S, IT WAS NOT THAT IT WAS RUSHED.
I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER HOW LONG THEY LOOK AT IT.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THEY LOOKED AT IT FOR ABOUT A COUPLE MINUTES AND THAT WAS THE LENGTH OF THE DISCUSSION.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE PERHAPS AGAIN, HE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ON WHICH EXACT PLANS WERE GONNA BE THERE, THE HEIGHT WIDTH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE WHAT I TRIED TO PROVIDE WAS WHICH PLANS WOULD BE THERE, WHICH YOU KNOW, SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH AND ALL THE PLANTS ARE FIVE AND SIX FOOT TALL AND YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IN A WAY THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT, WHEN YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT, THAT'S ALMOST WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S A LITTLE OVERWHELMING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SPENDING MORE TIME WOULD CHANGE A TASK FORCE VOTE.
I JUST KNOW THAT IT WAS JUST A QUICK COUPLE MINUTES BECAUSE THERE WAS REALLY NO ONE THERE TO DISCUSS AS FAR AS YEAH.
AND THEY WERE JUST SEEING WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS ONE PAGE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
AS THE DESIGNER OF, DO YOU MOVE YOUR, I CAN KIND OF READ YOUR LIPS IF YOU OH, OH YES.
THERE IS SOME RESISTANCE TO THE DESIGN YOU HAVE PRESENTED US AS BEING TOO BIG AND HAVING BOULDERS.
COULD, COULD WE REACH A COMPROMISE WHERE YOU SCALED BACK THE DESIGN A BIT AND PERHAPS MOVED THE BOULDERS TO THE BACKYARD? OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER? NO, I'M WILLING TO CONSIDER, UH, IT'S MY CLIENT.
THIS IS THE, SHE'S NOT COMING HOME UNTIL OCTOBER.
SHE HAD BEEN GONE ALL SUMMER AND LEFT ME TO PRESENT HER WITH A LANDSCAPE WHEN SHE GOT HERE.
I THINK THAT I COULD MOVE A COUPLE OF STONES IN THE BACK BECAUSE THERE'S A, UH, SINGLE LEVEL, UH, INTERSECTING DECK THAT IS GOING BACK THERE AND IT'S PLACED FOR ONE, UH, COUPLET OF STONES.
THE OTHERS BELONG IN THE PLAN.
AND I AM THINKING THAT VISUALLY WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR MIND THAT YOU'RE MENTALLY TRYING TO SEE THIS, THAT THESE ARE JUMPING OUT AT YOU, THESE BIG BOULDERS AND THEY'RE NOT, UM, HOW DO I SAY IT? THE JAPANESE ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IF YOU DON'T SET A STONE LIGHT, IT'S A DOORWAY TO EVIL SKILL.
AND I, WHEN I WENT DEAF AND STARTED COMPOSING MY GARDEN, I STUDIED THE JAPANESE FOR A YEAR, ONE GARDEN, THE ROJI GARDEN OF 12 STONES.
AND I LEARNED STONES AND HOW TO SET THEM.
AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW AND SET THEM POORLY IF THEY SET THEM AT ALL.
AND IT DRIVES ME CRAZY WHEN I DRIVE BY AND SEE A STONE JUST SITTING
IT'S NOT THE WAY THEY WERE, THEY DIDN'T GROW THAT WAY.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, LIMITING A A, A COUPLE THERE, I, I CAN SEE IT WORKING, BUT THE
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OTHERS ARE NOT JUMPING OUT AT YOU I DON'T SEE IT.I, I CAN BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN HANDLING OUR STONES SUCCESSFULLY.
THEY USUALLY SEEM TO HAVE BEEN DROPPED OFF A TRUCK AT A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN RUN INTO THE CAR.
THERE IS A HOUSE DOWN JU I WON'T DOWN JUNIORS THAT THE STONES ARE STILL SITTING ON A PALLET AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FIVE YEARS.
MY WIFE TELLS ME WHEN SHE WALKS BY, SHE GOES, DO THEY THINK THAT'S PLANTED
NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE GONNA VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA, WHAT MOTION WE WILL MAKE OR HOW WE WILL VOTE, BUT SO FAR, IF IT TURNS OUT THERE IS TOO MUCH RESISTANCE TO THIS PLAN AND IT DOESN'T PASS ALTERING, IT MAY BE THE ONLY OPTION FOR YOU AND YOUR CLIENT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY IT WILL GO AT THIS POINT.
IF WE ARE DONE WITH QUESTIONS, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION? I GET LOTS OF SMILES AND SMILES ARE NICE, BUT I'M SORRY.
COMMISSIONER LI JUST THIS, THE CLARIFICATION THAT HE MADE ABOUT, UM, THE STONES, THE, NOT THE, NOT THE BOULDERS, BUT THE CRUSHED STONES AND THE GR THAT IT'S NOT GRAVEL.
WAS THAT, WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE YEAH, THAT MY, MY INTENTION WAS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF GRAVEL BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT A WHOLE YARD OF GRAVEL.
THAT WAS MY, SO IT'S NOT COMPLETE GROUND COVER.
AND HE'S CALLING IT RIVER ROCK.
IS THAT WHAT THE SAME THING YOU'RE CONSIDERING? ANY GRAVEL KIND STONE? I WAS, YES.
THAT'S WHY I SAID, OR OTHER MATERIAL.
I, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA SEE A WHOLE YARD.
JUST THAT WAS MOSTLY TO KEEP US FOR FUTURE
I DID YOU SAY YOU HAD A MOTION? COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
THEN YOU GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
OH, YOU HAD ONE MORE QUESTION? YEAH.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S REGARDING HELPING US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR DESIGN IS MORE CLEARLY.
AND, UM, COULD YOU PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS, UM, TO SHOW THREE DIMENSIONALLY? WHAT, WHAT'S IN YOUR MIND'S EYE FOR US? COULD I SUPPLY A DRAWING TO YOU? A THREE DIMENSIONAL DRAWING OF, SO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE STANDING FROM LIKE A PICTURE? YEAH, LIKE STANDING FROM THE STREET SO WE GET A BETTER SENSE OF SCALE.
BUT YOU'RE STILL THINKING THEY'RE BIG.
I NO, IT, IT'S WHAT WHAT IS WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THESE ARE LIKE, NO, NO STONE.
AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BLENDED WITH, THEY'RE NOT STICKING OUT.
THEY ARE IN PART AND PLAY WITH THE REST OF THE LANDSCAPE.
I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS MORE INFORMATION FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO VISUALIZE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DESCRIBING.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO MAKE EVERYONE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DESIGN.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, YOU'RE ON
THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE COMMENTARY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF MY MOTION, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
NO, YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
SO UNDER THE DISCUSSION ITEM CA 2 3 4 DASH 4 88 CP 7 0 4 LOWELL STREET, UM, AT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT YARD, BE, BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION OF THE GRAVEL OR CRUSHED STONE, NOT BE USED AS GROUND COVER AS NEITHER MATERIAL WAS TRADITIONALLY USED, INGENIOUS HEIGHTS, LANDSCAPES AND IS THEREFORE NOT COMPATIBLE AND WOULD'VE AN ADVERSE EFFECT.
AND THE DISTRICT IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS RECOMMENDATION CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTIONS 3.5, UH, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51, A 4.501 G SIX CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE
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SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR SETTING NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT.DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS SECOND? COMMISSIONER ACY IS THE SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? SO THE MOTION WOULD NOT ADDRESS BOULDERS AT ALL, NOR THE HEIGHT OF BOULDERS OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT? MR. STEIN NOT AS RED.
IT COULD BE MODIFIED PERMISSION.
SHA, MAY I ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION AT THIS DAY? MR. WE DON'T USUALLY, BUT I'M NOT VERY STRICT.
SO IF IT WILL HELP MR. E WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE GREATEST HEIGHT? ANY ONE OF THOSE BOULDERS MIGHT BE ABOVE GROUND PLAN.
WHAT? THE HEIGHT, JUNIOR HEIGHT.
THE HEIGHT HEIGHT OF THE BOULDERS ABOVE GROUND WILL BE, UH, I'M SAYING, UH, TWO FEET.
OH YES, WE, WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE BOULDERS.
DIDN'T, BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOWN IN THE EARTH.
IT'S LIKE A, IT'S KINDA LIKE A, UH, ICEBERG.
ICEBERG UP TOP AND THEN A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, ICEBERG BELOW.
THAT'S THE WAY YOU, YOU NEED TO FEEL A STONE THAT IT'S THERE.
IT'S NOT JUST SORT OF SITTING.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT SOME OF US CANNOT VISUALIZE THIS WITHOUT HELP.
WE, WE HAVEN'T EVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.
SO THEY ARE NOT YET HALF BURIED, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THEY'RE NOT BURIED.
I HAVEN'T, THEY WERE DELIVERED AND, UH, THE RED TAG CAME ON THE HOUSE THE NEXT DAY, EVERYTHING STOPPED.
SO THEY WILL BE HALF THAT TALL WHEN THEY'RE PLANTED IN? I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE HALF, THEY'LL BE WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA BE PLANTED.
BEST GUESS, BUT BEST GUESS THEY'RE GONNA BE TWO FEET OR LESS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE OUR BEST GUEST ANSWER.
THEY COULD BE UP TO 24 INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND.
HAS THIS ANSWERED WHAT YOU HOPE, GREG? CAN YOU DO THEM BY YOURSELF? YEP.
SARS COMMISSIONER REED, CAN YOU BLOW THAT UP? DID YOU SAY FOR THEM TO SEE, IS THERE ANY WAY THEY CAN SEE IT ON THEIR SCREEN TOO? HUH? THEY SEE IT ON THEIR SCREEN.
THEY CAN SEE IT ON THEIR SCREEN, YES.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT HE COULD BRING IT LIKE A, A DRAWING BACK NEXT MONTH SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THIS TALKING LIKE? I'M, HANG ON, COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER REEVES WHO IS ONLINE, WE HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT A VISUAL DRAWING OF WHAT THE FINAL THING LOOKS LIKE WOULD HELP THOSE OF US WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LANDSCAPING SO WELL.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, WHICH IS MOSTLY TO APPROVE.
IT HAS BEEN SECONDED WITH THE SUGGESTION.
DID WE DECIDE TO AMEND IT? I DON'T WANNA LOSE TRACK OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? NOT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I GOTTA GET THEM TO TELL ME WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
NO, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT IF THE BOULDERS ARE ALLOWED, THEY SHOULD NOT EXCEED 12 INCHES.
AND, AND THE ANSWER I GOT WAS THAT NO, THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T REMAIN BELOW 12 INCHES.
SO THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE IS TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UM, THEY NOT BE USED.
THE PLAN ITSELF FINE, BUT THEY CANNOT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE BOULDERS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I MIGHT END UP BEING A LONE DISSENTER ON THIS, BUT UM, I'VE SEEN THIS TYPE OF THING IN PLACE AROUND THE CORNER FROM MY HOUSE, AND WE DON'T ALLOW ROCK GARDENS AND SOMEHOW IT SLIPS THROUGH AND IT, IT ISN'T WORKING WELL FOR THE BLOCK OR THE HOUSE.
I'M SURE IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS A QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, ARE, WILL, ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO CONTINUE WITH THE MOTION YOU HAVE MADE WITH
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THE AMENDMENT OR WITH THE MOTION? YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE MOTION AS MADE.AND IN THAT CASE, I THINK UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT QUESTION, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS AND SEE HOW WE STAND ON IT.
DO YOU HAVE FURTHER, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? THE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AS THE SECOND ON THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS OR COMMENTARY AROUND THE BOULDERS.
THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE ORIGINAL NOTION THAT YOU MADE? CORRECT.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER PREZI.
SO I THINK THE, THE DRAWING AND THE CONCEPT IS WONDERFUL.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I THINK IT'S MORE MODERN AND FREE FORM THAN YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE OF HISTORIC LANDSCAPE.
TO ME, HISTORIC LANDSCAPE IS MORE, I DON'T WANNA SAY SYMMETRICAL, BUT JUST MORE FORMAL IN DESIGN AND NOT ALL THESE CURVES AND FREE FLOWING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A CONCERN THAT IT WILL BE OUT OF PLACE FOR THE, THE DISTRICT THAT IT'S IN.
SO, UM, THEREFORE I'M NOT GONNA BE NO VOTING FOR THE MOTION.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTARY? THEN WE NEED TO CALL COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
I THINK IT'S TOO CONTEMPORARY AND IT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THAT STREET.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER REEVES, WERE YOU WANTING TO MAKE A COMMENT? I NEVER GOT AN ANSWER ON HOW WE CAN BRING IT BACK WITH THE PICTURE.
WE, AT THIS MOMENT WE CANNOT BECAUSE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR APPROVAL.
IF IT WERE TO END UP DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THEY COULD REAPPLY WITH MORE MATERIALS.
NO, THAT IS NOT THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE, ON, ON THE MOTION WE HAVE.
SO WE MUST NOW VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M CALLING FOR THE VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE SAY NAY.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING NEXT, BECAUSE THAT WAS CLOSE.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN NAY.
DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY NAY.
DISTRICT THREE COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN.
DISTRICT FOUR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES.
DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OIT NAY.
DISTRICT SIX COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA AYE.
DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON AYE.
DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT NINE.
DISTRICT 10, COMMISSIONER COX, DISTRICT 11 COMMISSIONER AYE.
DISTRICT 12 COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER AYE.
DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER OSI NAY.
ONE OF THE CLOSEST VOTES WE'VE EVER HAD, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE MOTION HAS FAILED, SO ALL.
ALRIGHT, SO I NEED A NEW MOTION.
MAY I MOVE TO TABLE THIS TILL NEXT MONTH UNTIL WE CAN SEE IT AND WE DON'T, WE PREFER NOT TO TABLE UNLESS WE HAVE MORE OF A REASON THAN WE NEED MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE OUR TRADITIONAL WAY OF GETTING MORE INFORMATION IS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND LET THEM REAPPLY.
NO, WE, SO THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THIS SITUATION.
I DO NEED SOMEONE TO TELL ME THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS.
UM, THANK YOU, UH, ON DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, UH, 7 0 4 LOWELL STREET, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 3 4 4 8 8 CP THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UM, REQUESTING ADDITIONAL,
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UH, DESIGN INFORMATION AND WE NEED TO GIVE IT A REASON IN SUPPORT OF OUR DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.UM, BECAUSE THE CURRENT INFORMATION IS INCONCLUSIVE, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, HEIGHTS, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, A, A VISUAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPOSITION WITHOUT A A 3D DRAWING.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO OUR ATTORNEY AS THE SUPPORTING REASONING? WELL, WE, IT PRETTY MUCH SAID THAT SINCE WE LACK ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT IS COMPATIBLE OR NOT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE ARE DENYING WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND IT SHOULD BE ON THE SCREEN.
THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE, UH, PROPOSAL MAY PERVER MAY PROVIDE A, UH, AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WITHOUT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS, THIS MOTION? SECOND.
THE SECOND IS COMMISSIONER REEVES.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION NEEDED OR ARE WE READY TO VOTE? WE HAVE MISS, WE'RE MISSING COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
DO YOU ADVISE ME TO WAIT FOR HIM OR, OKAY.
I KNOW THERE'S A RULE ABOUT IF SOMEONE'S NOT HERE FOR THE VOTE, THEIR VOTE IS, WHAT IS THEIR VOTE IN THAT CASE? IT'S AN AYE VOTE.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY HE WOULD WANT TO GO.
UM, ALL RIGHT, LET US CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NAY.
COMMISSIONER GAY IS OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION.
IS ANYONE ONLINE OPPOSED? PLEASE WAIVE.
ALRIGHT, SO IT FOGLEMAN, COMMISSIONER FOGLEMAN IS ALSO OPPOSED.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE THAT WE HAVE THESE TWO VOTES OPPOSED AND THE REST WERE IN FAVOR? EVERY ANYBODY SAY I'M WRONG? YES, I'M WRONG.
ALRIGHT, IT APPEARS, SIR, THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, WHICH DOES LEAVE IT OPEN TO APPEAL TO CPC, WHICH IS THE, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION THAT REQUIRES PAYING A FEE.
WHAT WE REALLY WANT IS THE DRAWING DISCUSSED THAT SHOWS WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE IF I WERE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND I LOOKED AT YOUR PROPOSED GARDEN SO THAT ALL OF US CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
I WOULD ALSO ADVISE, SO I ADVISE YOU TO COME BACK, REAPPLY, AND COME BACK WITH SUCH A DRAWING.
I WOULD ALSO ADVISE YOU TO CONSIDER SLIGHT CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE THAT SEEM TO MORE CONFORM TO WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
BUT THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS SUGGEST THAT.
OKAY? MAY I SAY SOMETHING HERE, UH, REAL QUICK BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR, OKAY, REAL QUICK, DOES THAT MEAN ALL IS STILL STOPPED WORK? YES.
I'VE GOT, SO YOU HAVE A CA FOR PLANTS.
I'VE BEEN WATERING IN MY BACKYARD, TAKING UP MY ENTIRE BACKYARD THAT'S GONNA GO AND THERE'S NO ROCK IN IT.
IT'S JUST THE FRONT GROUND COVER OF THE PLAN AND I NEED TO GET 'EM IN THE GROUND OR I'M GONNA START LOSING THEM.
WELL, SIR, SIR, CAN YOU SHOW THE PICTURE AGAIN OF THE GROUND COVER, SIR, THERE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH WE CAN DO TO CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW.
CAN'T THE GROUND COVER SURVIVE ANOTHER MONTH SINCE WE'RE GETTING RAIN? YOU SEE THAT IN THE FRONT? THE GREEN? THAT'S THE A HUNDRED PLANTS.
CAN I GET THOSE IN THE GROUND AS IT STANDS? NOW WE HAVE NOT GIVEN YOU PERMISSION TO DO THAT, AND SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE A FAIRLY, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE, MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO, I'M AFRAID I DON'T THINK WE CAN, IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE YOUR PLAN, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, AND I WILL LOOK IT UP.
THAT, THAT JUST, THAT BOTTOM GREEN COULD BE DONE AS A ROUTINE POSSIBLY.
YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU DETERMINE, BUT THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN SAY RIGHT NOW TO SAY YES OR NO ON THAT.
UM, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN SAY TO SAY YES.
I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.
SO YOU CAN TALK TO CHRISTINA, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE STAND AND I'M SORRY THIS HAS BEEN SO DIFFICULT, BUT IT IS THE WAY IT IS AT THIS POINT, UNFORTUNATELY.
YEAH, I TRY TO BE NICE, BUT I WE'VE ALWAYS MANAGED.
WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO NOW.
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OKAY, THAT IS, ARE WE SEE, OH, OKAY.ARE WE READY FOR DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO OR ARE WE STILL WAITING? OKAY,
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF 54 0 6 JUNIOR STREET JUNIORS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 3 4 4 8 7 CP REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING, UH, WHICH WILL BE A CARPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING CARPORT BE APPROVED CONTINGENT UPON THE APPROVAL OF CD 2 3 4 0 3 IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 29 2024.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION NINE PERTAINING TO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4 5 0 1 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STATUS FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING CARPORT BE APPROVED AS SHOWN.
AND WE HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AS WE EXPECTED MR. AARON KARTEN.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T PRONOUNCE THIS MAN'S NAME YET AND I'VE HEARD IT SO MANY TIMES.
KARTEN IS, IS HE ONLINE? UH, HE, HE WAS
I'M NOT SEEING HIM RIGHT NOW, IS HE? WELL, HE MIGHT BE BEHIND THE CLOSED CAPTIONING.
I SEE AT, WE NEED TO SEE YOUR PICTURE, AARON.
I I HOPE I MAY CALL YOU AARON AFTER ALL THE TIMES WE'VE MET VIRTUALLY.
WE NEED YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
AARON KARSON 7 2 1 RIDGEWAY STREET, AND I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, LET US, UM, YOU MAY GIVE US WHATEVER YOU NEED TO PRESENT US TO SUPPORT YOUR REQUEST.
LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN PLEASE.
OKAY, WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
I'M THE APPLICANT AND ARCHITECT FOR THIS, THESE APPLICATIONS AT 54 0 6 GENIUS.
UM, SO THE STANDARD, I, I SUPPOSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CA FIRST, BUT, UM, THE, THE STANDARD FOR DEMOLITION IS, UM, FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING BACKYARD SHED AND TO REPLACE IT WITH A, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE COMPATIBLE STRUCTURE.
SO THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS MOSTLY A CARPORT, BUT ALSO HAS SOME ENCLOSED STORAGE ROOMS THAT KIND OF NEATLY TERMINATE THE REAR END OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE WORD CARPORT I THINK IS, IS KIND OF A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW A CARPORT CAN AND SHOULD BE SUCCESSFULLY DESIGNED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT IN THIS CASE NOT ONLY MEETS ITS STANDARDS, BUT I THINK GOES A BIT BEYOND.
SO LOOKING, I'VE GOT MY, UH, SCREEN SHARED LOOKING AT THE SIDE BY SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT, AND THE PROPOSED DESIGN OF THE CARPORT ON THE RIGHT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THE BUILDING FORM AND THE ROOF FORM OF THE PROPOSED, UH, DESIGN MIMICS WHAT WE SEE AT THE FRONT PORCH OF THE HOUSE.
IT HAS LOW TAPERED WALLS, UH, WITH THE LARGER, UH, LAP BOARD SIDING UPON WHICH, UH, SQUARE COLUMNS REST, UH, GABLE WITH ROOF BRACKETS, UH, HEALTHY ROOF OVERHANG, UH, RAFTER TAILS, WHOSE ENDS HAVE A PROFILE THAT ARTICULATE THE SAME AS THE HOUSE AND DOOR CASINGS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE HOUSE.
UM, IN CONTRAST, WHAT WE SEE, UM, WITH THE CURRENT SHED IS THAT THE EXISTING SHED HAS NONE OF THESE ELEMENTS OR DETAILS THAT MAKE IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOUSE.
SO NOT ONLY IS IT INCOMPATIBLE, INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE HOUSE, BUT EVEN AS A STANDALONE PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE, IN MY OPINION, UH, IS IT'S VERY INSIGNIFICANT WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S GENERAL ROOF FORM, LACK OF ROOF OVERHANG, UH, RAFTER TAIL ARTICULATION, CASINGS AROUND DOORS AND WINDOWS.
IN FACT, IT'S FENESTRATION DESIGN IN GENERAL IS, IS QUITE BAD.
THE, THE WINDOW AND DOOR PLACEMENTS.
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UM, AND SO NONE OF THESE ELEMENTS ARE ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT IN THEIR OWN RIGHT NOR COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOUSE.AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE APPLIED FOR THE, THE STANDARD DEMOLITION OF CREATING A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, STRUCTURE.
WITH THE TIME I HAVE LEFT, WITH THE THREE MINUTES, I'LL START TALKING ABOUT, UM, PERHAPS WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE EXISTING SHED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT APPLYING FOR DEMOLITION BASED ON STANDARD OF WHETHER I AM ACTUALLY REMINDED THAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT ONE AT THE NEXT OKAY.
CASE RIGHT NOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO TELL US HOW FABULOUS SURE YOUR DESIGN IS, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONVINCING US OF.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS DESIGN, NOT THE OTHER PART BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING TO THAT.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I, UM, I FIND THIS TO BE APPROPRIATE.
I FIND IT TO BE STYLISTICALLY SENSITIVE WITH THE MAIN DWELLING.
I THINK ITS FUNCTIONALITY IS VERY KEEN AND DESIRABLE.
I LIKE THE, UM, THE FACT THAT THE COLUMNS ARE REPLICATED AND THE PORCH WALLS ARE REPLICATED.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA WORK GREAT FOR SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE INCLINED TO PUT SO MUCH INTO A GARAGE.
THEY CAN'T FIT THEIR CARS ANYWAY.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOT A KEEN, UM, ENHANCEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OF CONCERN, BUT I'M ONE OPINION AND, UM, I LIKE WHAT IT DOES.
ANYBODY ELSE? HAVE A ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION? UH, I, IF NOT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER PREZI, UH, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, NUMBER 2D 2 54 0 6 JUNIOR STREET, UH, CASE NUMBER CA 2 34 DASH 4 87 CP, UM, I, UH, MOTION THAT MOTION.
WE APPROVE THE, UH, REQUEST BASED ON, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE WOULD BE READY FOR, OH, COMMISSIONER RENO.
UM, ONE THING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS CLARIFICATION WAS ACTUALLY MADE IN THE, UM, IN THE SUBMISSION, BUT THE COLOR SCHEME WAS THE INTENTION THAT THE COLOR SCHEME MATCHED THE EXISTING HOUSE? YES, THAT'S THE INTENT.
UM, WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED PAINT COLORS IN THIS APPLICATION.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, UM, THE HOMEOWNER WISHES TO CHANGE PAINT COLORS, SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE TO, UM, SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION WITH WHATEVER THEY'RE PROPOSING.
BUT, UM, THE, THE INTENT WILL BE TO MATCH THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT THEN WE ARE READY TO CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE, UM, IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE A AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALRIGHT, THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY, WHICH ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT CASE D THREE WILL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THIS PROPERTY.
OKAY, CHRISTINA PEREZ, AGAIN ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 54 0 6 JUNIOR STREET, JUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ACTUALLY, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU.
I HAD INTENDED TO ASK IF EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK BECAUSE AT LEAST ME AND MARCUS DON'T GET TO GO TO THE BATHROOM WHILE WE'RE IN SESSION.
ANY OBJECTION? ALRIGHT, HANG ON MR. KARTEN, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK TILL 3 53.
OKAY, LET US START READING THIS ONE IN.
CHRISTINA PEREZ ON BEHALF OF STAFF, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 54 0 6 JUNIOR STREET, JUNIORS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CD 2 3 4 0 1 3 CP REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD.
STANDARD REPLACE WITH MORE APPROPRIATE COMPATIBLE STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH AN EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE REAR YARD BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT IS NOT MORE COMPATIBLE THAN THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE KNOWN TO BE ON SITE SINCE 1922.
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THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 H FOUR, A TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOL AN EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE REAR YARD BE APPROVED.AND OUR SPEAKER IS THE SAME AS LAST TIME, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO RES SQUARE YOU IN BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S STILL GOOD.
UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS ONE? SURE.
UM, SO I'VE GOT UP ON THE SCREEN, UH, SAME SANDBORN MAP ON THE LEFT, ON THE RIGHT IS THE CURRENT PROPERTY SURVEY.
WE, WE DIDN'T APPLY FOR DEMOLITION BASED ON THE STANDARD OF WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROVING WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE STRUCTURE WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
UM, SO I, I WANNA MAKE NOTE OF THAT, BUT, UM, WE ALL OF COURSE TAKE THE TOPIC OF DEMOLITION VERY SERIOUSLY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S POTENTIALLY AN ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
SO, UH, STILL THOUGHT IT'S WORTH DISCUSSING HERE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UP ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY CONCLUSIVE THAT THE STRUCTURE THAT WE SEE TODAY IS THE SAME THAT WE SEE IN THE SAME BOARD MAP, WHICH I'M GOING TO HOVER MY CURSOR OVER THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE POSITION OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS SIMILAR, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPORTION OF THE FOOTPRINT IS SIMILAR, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT.
UM, AND THAT THERE'S AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AT THAT GENERAL POSITION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT SURPRISING.
WE EXPECT TO FIND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AT THE END OF A DRIVEWAY, UM, THROUGHOUT THE LIFE SPAN OF A PROPERTY.
UH, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY IT'S THE SAME STRUCTURE AND IT DOESN'T LOOK TO BE THE SAME STRUCTURE WHEN WE COMPARE THESE DRAWINGS.
UM, I HEARD A COMMENT IN THIS MORNING'S, UH, BRIEFING THAT A TASK FORCE MEMBER HAD DONE SOME SUBSEQUENT RESEARCH FROM THE WORLEY'S CITY DIRECTORY THAT PERHAPS SOMEONE AT ONE POINT LIVED IN THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IN ANY ACCESSORY BUILDING, UH, ON THE PROPERTY AT ONE POINT.
AND, UM, INTERESTINGLY, THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS TODAY NOT ONLY DOES NOT HAVE A BATHROOM, WHICH YOU WOULD EXPECT, UH, IT TO HAVE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF EVEN ANY ABANDONED PLUMBING.
IT DID NOT HAVE ELECTRICAL SERVICE, UH, UNTIL THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER INSTALLED ELECTRICAL SERVICE TO IT, UM, SOMEWHAT RECENTLY.
UM, SO THAT SEEMS TO, TO DISPEL ANY THOUGHT THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS, THIS STRUCTURE WAS ORIGINALLY INHABITED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO DISCONTINUE DISCONNECT SERVICES, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL SERVICES.
UM, IT'S ANOTHER THING TO COMPLETELY AND MAGICALLY ERASE ANY EVIDENCE THAT IT EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND I FIND THAT DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW THAT LOGIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
THE MORE SENSIBLE TIMELINE IS THAT THE REASON IT DOESN'T HAVE PLUMBING OR ELECTRICAL FROM IF IT EVER DID IS BECAUSE THAT STRUCTURE THAT WAS ORIGINAL, UH, WAS DEMOLISHED ALTOGETHER AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE TODAY.
UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? OH, I HAVE A MOTION.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS A QUESTION BEFORE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MAKES A MOTION? ONE QUICK QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO DETERMINE WHEN THAT LOT LINE WAS MOVED? MM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I WHEN I, I DON'T HAVE THAT READY HERE, BUT IF YOU OVERLAY THIS, THIS, UM, UH, PROPERTY LINE OVER THE SANDBORN MAP, IT DOES SEEM TO TRACK TO BE THE SAME PROPERTY LINE.
I'M TRYING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I'M TRYING SAY THAT THIS IS, THAT THIS LOT LINE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE WAS NOT LIKE PREVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY LINE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
OKAY, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ANYBODY AT HOME? AS IF NOT THEN COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF D 3 54 0 6 JUNIOR STREET IN THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CD 2 34 DASH 0 1 3 CP I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR, UH, PER TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE FINDING OF FACT NO EVIDENCE, UM, EXISTS THAT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER RENO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? YOU MEAN THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION OR STAFF RECOMMENDATION? JUST, OKAY, THAT'S GOOD CLARIFICATION.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT, UM, THEN I'M GONNA CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
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ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALL THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.I WAS JUST WANTING TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE I'M TAKING NOTES.
WAS THAT MOTION ON TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION? OH, OKAY.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WITH ATTORNEY.
THEY DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CITE ANYTHING FOR THAT MOTION.
TASK FORCE DOES NOT HAVE ORATE CITATION ON IT.
SHE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN GAVE A FINDING OF FACT.
I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE 'CAUSE I WAS NOT, I'LL TRY TO WRITE IT ALL DOWN.
SO WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THAT ONE.
WHICH COMMISSIONER TAYLOR HAS TO LEAVE FOR D FIVE AND D SIX D IS RECUSED.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 10 20 EAST NINTH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 DASH 4 9 0 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 20 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE.
THAT ROOF CONFIGURATION ON WEST SIDE OF BUILDING BE SIMPLIFIED THAT A WINDOW BE ADDED TO THE REAR RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION AND THAT A WOOD FASCIA BOARD A MINIMUM OF EIGHT INCHES IN HEIGHT BE INSTALLED ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT CORNER.
LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT ROOF PLAN AND WEST WALL ELEVATION MATCH 11 0 6 CHURCH STREET SHOWN IN PLANS THAT NO PARKING PAD BE IN FRONT YARD PARKING IS ALLOWED IN THE BACKYARD.
THAT SIDING BE NUMBER 1 1 7 AND THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS.
DO WE HAVE OUR SPEAKER ONLINE? YES, I'M HERE.
I NEED YOU TO START BY TELLING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN I NEED YOU TO PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH.
SHANNON BROWN, KEY 1409 ROTH AND JEAN BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 1 5.
SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES INITIALLY TO TELL US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
OKAY, SO, UM, FOR THIS HOME WE REALLY TOOK IN ACCOUNT THE COURTESY FEEDBACK AND MADE A MYRIAD OF CHANGES THAT REFLECTED OUR NEW SUBMISSION.
UM, ONE OF THE CHANGES WE MADE IS ORIGINALLY WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED IT WAS A, IT WAS A DUPLEX.
NOW IT IS GOING TO BE TWO, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ONE ON ON NINTH AND THE OTHER BEING ON NOAH STREET.
UM, AND ALSO WHAT WE'VE ALSO DID IS WE CHANGED FROM AP APPEAR ON, WE CHANGED TO APPEAR ON B SYSTEM RATHER THAN A SLAB ON GRADE.
WE HAVE ALSO ADJUSTED ROOF LINES, UM, EXTERIOR WOOD, PLAID PROFILE, WINDOW POSITIONS AND PARKING.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME ADHERING TO IS THE CHANGE TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROOF LINE ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS DUE TO GOOD AND INSPECTIONS COMMENTS, UM, THAT WE'LL NEED.
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UH OH, I'M AFRAID THAT OUR CONNECTION IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY.IS SHE STILL CONNECTED? WELL PERHAPS SHE'S TRYING TO FIX IT, BUT NO, OLIVIA IS ON HER PHONES OR HERS RIGHT NOW.
NO, IT'S NOT HER FRIEND RIGHT NOW.
I'M SURE SHE'S UPSET ABOUT THAT.
WELL, LET'S GIVE HER A MINUTE BEFORE WE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S GONE AWAY NOW.
YOU LOG OFF, YELL AT YOUR COMPUTER AND LOG BACK ON.
UH, WE DID SEE THERE WAS AN ISSUE.
WE STILL ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE YOU ON CAMERA.
UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME SIMI? YES.
THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ALL AFTERNOON.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS BECAUSE WE, SINCE THE SITE IS ANGLED, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO DO THE TRIANGULAR, UM, CORNER SETBACKS TO, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PASS, UM, BUILDING INSPECTION.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE THINK THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED AND OR HAS BEEN MENTIONED THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ADHERE TO.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE FOUNDATION AT THE FRONT PORCH? UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE FOUNDATION.
GIMME ONE SECOND AT THE FRONT.
CAN STAFF HELP WITH THAT? IT IS NOT IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, SO I AM NOT SURE.
IT LOOKED A LITTLE SHORT TO ME.
I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S ON SLAB ON GRADE, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ONLY LIKE SIX OR 12 INCHES.
SHANNON, ARE YOU STILL THERE? SHE, WE'VE LOST THE VIDEO AGAIN.
IS THERE A BETTER SKETCH THAT SHOWS THE FOUNDATION? LET ME CHECK.
AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHETHER THEY MAY HAVE SWITCHED TO P AND BEAM.
THINK THAT BEAM, BUT HIS QUESTION IS HOW HIGH, EVEN WITH P AND BEAM IS THE FRONT PORCH OFF THE GROUND OR ABOVE GRADE? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THE FOUNDATION WE'RE SEEING THE SPOT ON GRADE OR THE PIER AND BEAM? NO, THE ONE WE'RE SEEING IS THE, UH, PIER AND BEAM.
AND IT IS MS. KEY, ARE YOU STILL THERE? YES, IT'S, UM, 16 FIVE.
16 AND A HALF INCHES IS HOW HIGH.
THAT'S, THAT'S MORE, MORE THAN I THOUGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM A COMMISSIONER? YES, I HAD A QUESTION.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A ZONING QUESTION.
UH, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE VIEW TRIANGLE AND THE POSITION OF THE COLUMN, UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE ELEVATION OF, UH, NORTH TWO.
UM, PERHAPS I JUST ASKED STAFF AGAIN LIKE I DID IN, IN, UH, THE, UH, BRIEFING, BUT THE IDEA WAS TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND THE PORCH SO THAT IT COVERS ALL OF THE WINDOWS ON THAT FRONT ELEVATION INSTEAD OF JUST TWO AND A HALF.
LET ME ASK SHANNON, SHANNON, WHAT THE COMMISSIONER IS ASKING.
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IS THE FRONT PORCH, THE RIGHTMOST COLUMN, HE WANTS IT TO EXTEND PAST THE PAIRED WINDOWS? IS THAT POSSIBLE OR IS THAT A CONDITION OF THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE? I BELIEVE IT'S A CONDITION OF THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE, BUT I CAN CHECK WITH THE ARCHITECT TO MAKE SURE.YEAH, BECAUSE THE REASON I'M QUESTIONING IT IS THE FACT THAT IT'S ONLY ONE COLUMN.
IT'S NOT A WALL AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE PORCH.
IF IT'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE, UM, TRYING, IF IT'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE VISIBILITY, WE WILL DEF I'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THE ARCHITECT UPDATED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT A MOTION PERHAPS MADAM CHAIR PERSON? THIS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA? YES.
COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA? I DON'T HAVE A MOTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST REQUEST, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE I'M THE, THE ONLY ONE HEARING SOME VOICES IN THE BACKGROUND.
THAT ONE HAS BACKGROUND NOISE AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY DIDN'T, BUT I DON'T HEAR IT ANYMORE.
I'M TRYING TO MUTE WHEN I'M NOT TALKING.
SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR MOTION? COMMISSIONER? ONE MORE QUESTION.
IT WAS ON THE, UM, UH, ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF THE REQUEST THAT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS THAT THE FASCIA BOARD IS A MINIMUM OF EIGHT INCHES.
IS THE FASCIA BOARD AT THE EDGE OF THE, IS IT ON THE FACE OF THE, THE BUILDING OR IS IT ON THE FACE OF THE ROOF? ON THE FACE OF THE BUILDING IS WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION GO AHEAD.
REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM 5 10 20, UH, EAST NINTH STREET, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 3 4 4 9 0 RD.
THAT THAT WE FOLLOW, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON THE VACANT CORNER.
BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS, UM, AND ACCEPTING ALL THE CONDITIONS AS STATED IN THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITION OF EXTENDING THE FRONT PORCH TO THE STREET, TO THE SIDE STREET SIDE TO BE ABLE TO COVER ALL THREE WINDOWS AND THE FRONT DOOR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER PREZI.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, THEN IT IS TIME TO CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION SAY AYE.
IT APPEARS THAT THIS MOTION HAS PASSED AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO D SIX FOR WHICH COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WILL REMAIN RECUSED.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 10 22 EAST NINTH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 DASH 4 91 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 20 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE THAT THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT PROJECTION BE EQUALLY SPACED THAT A DOOR BE ADDED TO THE REAR ELEVATION THAT ON THE WEST SIDE PORCH, THE DOOR AND THE WINDOW BE SWITCHED WITH THE DOOR ALIGNED ON CENTER WITH THE STAIRS.
AND THAT A WOOD FACIA BOARD A MINIMUM OF EIGHT INCHES IN HEIGHT BE INSTALLED ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION C PERTAINING TO SITE AND SITE ELEMENTS AND SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD
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TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH CONDITION THAT THE ROOF PLAN MATCH THE EXAMPLE PROVIDED IN THE SUBMITTED PLANS AT 1 1 2 2 EAST NINTH STREET.MS. KEYS, DO YOU HAVE ANY INTRODUCTION INTRODUCTORY REMARKS WE MAKE ON THIS ONE? IS SHE STILL WITH US? I THINK SO.
IT SOUNDED LIKE I WAS ASKING IF YOU WERE ALIVE.
I'M SURE YOU ARE
UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, OH, OH,
NOW WE CAN, WE CAN'T SEE YOU THOUGH.
BUT WE CAN'T SEE YOU, WHICH WE ARE REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU.
I'M TRYING TO DO THIS WHERE I CAN ALSO READ MY NOTES.
CAN YOU KNOW THE VIDEO PAUSES WHEN I DO? UM, BUT AGAIN, WE UM, DEFINITELY, UM, WE DEFINITELY TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE LANDMARK, UM, COMMISSIONER, THE LANDMARK AND THE TASK FORCE AND THE STAFF'S, UM, SUGGESTIONS OF MAKING THE WINDOWS BALANCE CHANGING.
ITS APPEAR ON BEING ALSO, UM, DOING WHAT WAS REQUIRED TO BOTH THE, UM, ROOF LINE AND THE WINDOW PLACEMENT.
UM, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY WILLING TO BE AMICABLE TO ADJUSTING THE WINDOWS TO BE BALANCED, ADJUSTING THE PORTRAIT THERE, ALIGNMENT AND THE REAR DOORS.
UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON BOTH, ON BOTH ITEMS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, LOOKING AT THE ROOF PLAN, UM, ON PAGE, LET'S SEE, YEAH, UH, IT'S A 2 0 1, UH, IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, IT AT THE FRONT PORCH, IT SHOWS, UM, THAT IT PITCHES IN THREE DIRECTIONS.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THE PITCH THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GOING BACK TOWARD THE MAIN PORTION OF THE HOUSE TO IN THE PLAN, UH, LEFT, IS GONNA CAUSE A WATER CONDITION.
AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE THAT SLOPE SO THAT IT JUST RUNS STRAIGHT INTO THE BODY OF THE HOME, THE HOME.
UM, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE? THAT QUESTION WAS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, I DO.
I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE AND I'M WRITING IT IN MY NOTES RIGHT NOW.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT A MOTION, I HAVE A MOTION.
REGARDING, UH, 1 0 2 2 EAST NINTH STREET, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 3 4 4 9 1 RD.
THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE, UH, ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE FRONT PORCH, UM, ELIMINATES ONE SLOPE, SO
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER.
POSI, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I CAN CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS ONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THIS HAS ALSO PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECTS MA'AM.
AND WE CAN CALL COMMISSIONER TAYLOR BACK IN AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION H.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 28 26 METROPOLITAN AVENUE.
IT'S IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 3 4 4.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN
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RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.THIS IS AN INTERIOR LOT AS WELL.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 20 20 24 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT FOUNDATION TYPE BE A CRAWLSPACE FOUNDATION, THAT HORIZONTAL SKIRT SKIRTING BE APPLIED AND EXTENDED TO GRADE A GROUND LEVEL ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
CONCEALING CONCRETE FOUNDATION THAT ORNAMENTAL TRIM ON FRONT ELEVATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, BOARD WITH DENT DETAILSS BE LOWERED TO BOTTOM, ALIGN WITH SOFFIT THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE OF BRUSHED FINISHED CONCRETE.
THAT THE STEPS LEADING TO BOTH PORCHES IN THE FRONT AND THE REAR HAVE A TREAD OF 11 INCHES AND RISERS AT A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN INCHES.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHEATLEY PLACES PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.2, 9.3, 9.7, AND NINE POINT 11 SUBDIVISION A PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT GOOSENECK EXTERIOR LIGHTS BE REPLACED WITH CRAFTSMAN STYLE LIGHTS AND THAT FRONT TRIM BE LOWERED TO LINE WITH SOFTEN.
WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER GOING TO BE ONLINE.
UM, COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, WELCOME AND COULD YOU PLEASE START BY TELLING US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN PROMISING OR SWEARING TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES.
UH, MY ADDRESS IS 3 3 1 4 NORCROSS LANE AND I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
ALRIGHT, SIR, YOU NOW HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US ANY INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND YOUR PROJECT OR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOUR CASE FOR WHY IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
SO, UH, YES, WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD A, A NEW CONSTRUCTION HOME IN, UH, WITH A WHEATLEY PLACE, UH, HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE OF COURTESY REVIEWS BEFORE AND, UH, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND, AND WE TRIED TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THOSE.
UH, AND WE, THERE WERE LIKE, UH, WE, WE CHANGED, UH, UH, THE DESIGN AND THE PLAN BASED ON ALL THOSE, UH, COMMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, ELEVATED OUR FOUNDATION AND WE HAVE CHANGED IT TO PURE AND BEAM TO MEET THAT 18 INCH HEIGHT THAT IS REQUIRED.
UH, THE DRIVEWAY WAS TOO SHORT, SO WE, WE HAVE EXTENDED THAT TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AS WE WERE INSTRUCTED.
UH, WE HAVE ALL THE WINDOWS, WE HAVE CHANGED ALL OF THEM TO WOOD WINDOWS, UH, AND UH, ALL THE DOORS WOULD BE CRAFTSMEN STYLE.
UH, ALSO THE EXTERIOR LIGHTS WOULD BE CRAFT CRAFTMAN STYLE AS WELL.
UM, AN EXTRA WINDOW HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE THIRD BEDROOM IN THE BACK.
UM, SO IT HAS ONE ON THE SIDE AND ONE IN THE BACK TO JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE, UH, IT HAS BOTH OF THE WINDOWS THAT'S NEEDED.
UH, AND UH, WE HAVE CHANGED THE FASCIA SIDE FASCIAS FROM FOUR INCHES TO EIGHT INCHES.
AND, UH, ALSO, UH, THE PILLARS IN THE FRONT, WE HAVE CHANGED THOSE FROM 10 INCHES TO A FOOT WIDE, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUEST.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE, UM, THE PROPORTION OF THE FRONT, UM, COLUMNS.
UM, THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU INCLUDED.
UH, LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE HAVING ACTUAL PHOTOS OF WHAT YOU PROPOSE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THE PROPORTION OF THE BOTTOM IS TOO TALL.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT LABELED AS THREE FEET NINE INCHES BEFORE IT CHANGES TO THE TAPERED, OR NOT THE TAPERED, BUT THE,
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THE SQUARE COLUMN ABOVE THAT.AND I THINK WHAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IS IF THAT THREE NINE WAS REDUCED TO THREE FEET, UM, SO THAT THE, THE TOP PORTION IS TALLER THAN THE BOTTOM PORTION.
UH, SECOND ITEM IS THAT THE TRIM THAT YOU'VE GOT INDICATED AROUND ALL YOUR WINDOWS IS SHOWN AS TWO INCHES.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU, UM, CHANGE THAT TO FOUR INCHES INSTEAD.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, THAT THOSE TWO ITEMS, UH, ARE AMENABLE.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THOSE OR, OKAY.
WELL, UH, YES, I'M OKAY WITH THOSE, BUT, UH, JUST LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE BEEN TO COUPLE OF OTHER COURTESY REVIEWS BEFORE AND THEY WERE NEVER MENTIONED UNTIL WE GOT TO THE, TODAY THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE WOULD'VE CERTAINLY CHANGED IT IF WE KNEW AHEAD OF TIME.
WE JUST, WE JUST DON'T WANNA DELAY.
WE JUST DON'T WANNA DELAY THIS PROJECT.
IT'S BEEN ALREADY LIKE WE'VE BEEN CHASING THIS FOR LIKE ABOUT 10 MONTHS ALREADY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SMALL CHANGES DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO DELAY IT AS WE CAN APPROVE A PROJECT WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TODAY.
YEAH, WE ARE DEFINITELY OKAY WITH CHANGING THOSE ABSOLUTE RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS? AND IF NOT, I'M READY FOR A MOTION.
MR. MR. ROTH OR NO,
COMMISSIONER I UNDERSTAND HAS A QUESTION.
FIRST, COULD YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN THE, UM, FRONT PORCH? I, I STILL RECALL THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT QUITE RIGHT ABOUT THE, THE FRONT PORCH WHERE THE COLUMNS HIT THE PORCH.
AND WE DID JUST DISCUSS THE COLUMNS AND I BELIEVE THE YES, THE FREEZE IS ALREADY IN A CONDITION, CORRECT? I THINK IT IS IN THE CONDITION NOW SINCE WE CHANGED IT.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME AS AS THEY'RE SITTING ON TOP OF THE PORCH NOW.
AND, AND WE WERE ADVISED TO CHANGE THOSE TO SIT OR POST AND CHANGE THE WIDTH TO A FOOT, WHICH WE DID THIS TIME.
IT IS HARD TO SEE ON THESE IS A FACIA BOARD BETWEEN THE PORCH AND THE, THE TRIANGULAR PART OF THE GABLE.
YEAH, ALLOW ME TO CHECK ONE SECOND.
CAN YOU BLOW THAT UP A LITTLE BIT? YES.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS SHOWING IT.
ALRIGHT, SO ARE WE READY TO PROCEED WITH OUR MOTION? LET'S SEE, ARE WE ON A MINUTE? YES.
METROPOLITAN REGARDING UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 8 2 8 2 6 METROPOLITAN AVENUE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CA 2 3 4 4 9 3 RD THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE, UH, CONDITIONAL OR RATHER WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS, THE BASE OF THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS IS REDUCED FROM THREE FOOT NINE INCHES TO THREE FEET AND THAT THE WINDOW TRIM SIZE BE INCREASED FROM TWO INCHES TO FOUR INCHES.
SECOND, ASHLEY, THE FIRST SECOND CAME FROM MR. POSI.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN WE CAN CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, MR. SHARIFI, THIS HAS PASSED, UM, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONDITIONS AND, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, PLEASE DO CONTACT STAFF SO THEY CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
YOU ARE WELCOME AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT.
THANK YOU FOR BUILDING YOUR HOUSING.
AND THERE AREN'T ANY SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THESE SEVEN.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 28 18 BURGER AVENUE IN THE WHEATLEY PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 DASH 4 92 RD.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT.
THIS ALSO IS AN INTERIOR LOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 8 20 20 24
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WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.THAT FOUNDATION TYPE BE A CRAWL SPACE FOUNDATION THAT HORIZONTAL SKIRTING BE APPLIED AND EXTENDED TO GRADE OR GROUND LEVEL ON ALL ELEVATIONS.
CONCEALING CONCRETE FOUNDATION THAT DRIVEWAYS WALKWAYS AND STEPS BE A BRUSH FINISHED CONCRETE.
THAT STEPS LEADING TO BOTH PORCHES IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK HAVE A TREAD OF 11 INCHES AND RISERS AT A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN INCHES.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHEAT PLACES PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.3 UNDER BUILDING SITE AND LANDSCAPING AND SECTIONS 9.2, 9.3 9.7 AND NINE POINT 11 SUBDIVISION A PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT APPLICANT PROVIDE AN OFFICIAL SURVEY AS EVIDENCE THE LOT EXISTS.
IN THE ABSENCE OF A SPEAKER, THE ONLY QUESTIONS WE COULD ASK WOULD BE OF STAFF AND IF THERE ARE NONE OF THOSE THEN WE WOULD BE MEETING A MOTION.
D 7 2 8 1 8 BURGER AVENUE CA 2 3 4 4 9 2 RD.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BY FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED EIGHT 20 2024 WITH THE FOLLOW WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF OUTLINED IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
IF THERE IS COMMISSIONER GAY, COMMISSIONER GAY, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN UH, CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THIS MOTION IS CARRIED AND STAFF WILL NOTIFY THE APPLICANT OF ITS TERMS. OKAY.
AND THAT BRINGS US TO NUMBER 10.
I JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THC REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 10, AND THEY WILL BE TABLING THAT UNTIL JANUARY.
SO WE DO NOT NEED TO, WE, WE, WE DID
SO WE WILL ALSO, I GUESS NOT DO IT TODAY.
WE DO HAVE TWO MORE THINGS TO DO.
WE HAVE TO, UM, APPROVE OUR MINUTES AND WE HAVE, UH, APPLICATION FOR THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
AND WHO WAS THAT? COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR MADE THE MOTION.
THE SECOND, SECOND RES COMMISSIONER REEVES WAS THE SECOND TIME THAT IT WAS A PRECISE TIE AND STEREO IN FACT.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, NOW WHY IS IT NOT SHOWING RIGHT HERE? OKAY, HERE WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THE APPOINTMENT TO THE FAIR PARK TASK FORCE OF ALYSSA ARNOLD.
DO I NEED TO SAY ANYTHING? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO.
WE DID REVIEW, UM, THE QUALIFICATIONS AS PRESENTED BY THIS APPLICANT.
UH, DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN THE CIRCUMSTANCES? OKAY.
I THINK WE, WE ALL KIND OF REMEMBER, BUT PLEASE TELL US AGAIN.
THE CURRENT, I GUESS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FAIR PARK FIRST RESIGNED AS OF, I THINK HE CALLED AND TOLD ME AUGUST THE 15TH.
AND SO MS. ARNOLD IS, I THINK SHE'S INTERIM, SHE'S CURRENTLY THE INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FAIR PARK FIRST.
AND AS A PART OF OUR LMC RULES AND PROCEDURES, IT REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM FAIR PARK FIRST ON OUR FAIR PARK TASK FORCE.
SO THEREFORE I WAS ASKED TO PRESENT HER APPLICATION AND HER RESUME IN AS REPLACEMENT FOR MR. LU ALLEN.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? ARE YOU, UM, READY TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS VOTE? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT IT FOR THE FAIR PART TASK FORCE.
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SECOND, I THAT IS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RENO.PLEASE NOTIFY HER OF HER SUCCESS IN BEING APPOINTED.
I BELIEVE THAT COMPLETES ALL OUR BUSINESS.
I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR BUSINESS.
IT IS 4 36 AND THIS MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED.