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GOOD AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS 1:06 P.M.
[Transportation and Infrastructure Committee on September 16, 2024.]
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JUNE 17TH, 2024.ANY DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSION? SEEING NO DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO.
THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS OUT OF ORDER REALLY FOR A SECOND AND BRING UP LEGISLATIVE.
I DON'T THINK THERE REALLY SHOULD BE VERY MANY, BUT I THOUGHT WE COULD WIPE THIS OUT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR CARRIE ROGERS, I'M PLEASED TO SERVE AS YOUR GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS DIRECTOR.
AND I HAVE ALEXANDRA RENTERIA WITH US TODAY.
WHAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THESE ARE WHAT WERE SUBMITTED.
ON WEDNESDAY THE FULL CITY COUNCIL WILL RECEIVE A BRIEFING OF ALL LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FOR BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND THEN WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOLLOWING.
SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH YOUR SLIDE DECK AND SKIP TO I THINK THAT IS THE FOUR LET ME SEE TO SLIDE FOUR. YOU WILL SEE A NUMBER OF ITEMS. SLIDE FOUR FIVE THAT WERE SUBMITTED EITHER BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SUBMITTED BY DEPARTMENT STAFF OR EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT IN AN AD HOC AND IT'S TIME TO GO.
BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
MISS SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I WAS CURIOUS I DIDN'T SEE I HAD HEARD BEFORE, BUT THEN I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THIS, ANY COMMENT ABOUT FUNDING FOR DART? THAT ITEM WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THROUGH THE GPFM COMMITTEE.
AND SO THAT IS WHERE IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
THAT WILL COME TO FULL CITY COUNCIL ON WEDNESDAY.
SO SINCE IT WAS IN ANOTHER COMMITTEE, BUT IT DOES AFFECT TRANSPORTATION, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO MAKE A MOTION TO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THAT ITEM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE? WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER COMMITTEES IS IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO BRING UP AN AMENDMENT OR AN ADDITIONAL ITEM, ETC., THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, ADVANCE OR NOT ADVANCE. YES, CERTAINLY YOU COULD DO THAT AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL.
IT WAS SUBMITTED THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.
BUT IT ALSO PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION.
AND SO COULD IT BE BOTH COMMITTEES COULD BE EXPERTS ON THAT ITEM? IT IT CERTAINLY COULD.
SO WOULD THAT BE A DUAL ROLE? YES. YOU COULD SUBMIT IT THROUGH.
YES, YOU COULD SUBMIT IT THROUGH BOTH COMMITTEES OR HAVE IT UNDER BOTH.
I KEEP CALLING PORTFOLIOS UNDER EACH PORTFOLIO.
AND THEN DISCUSS IT WHEREVER YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO LAND.
WHAT WE HAVE COMING ON WEDNESDAY ARE AS I NOTED, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT IT'S SUBJECT TO WHAT THE COUNCIL DECIDES.
SO WE'RE BRINGING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT YOU MAY SAY CARRIE I DON'T LOVE IT HERE.
CAN WE PUT IT OVER HERE OR WHATEVER? THAT'S IT'S UP TO CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION.
WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO REFLECT UPON.
WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE GUIDELINE TO BE EXPERT.
BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, IT IS TRANSPORTATION AND THE OTHER COMMITTEES BASED ON FINANCE.
SO THEREFORE THERE IS A DUAL ROLE.
IT MIGHT BE A CONFLICT, SOMEBODY FORCING REVENUE.
AND SOMEONE SAID WHAT IS BEST FOR TRANSPORTATION.
SO THEREFORE MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD PREFER TO BE ON BOTH COMMITTEES.
A REVENUE SOURCE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO IF IT HAD TO BE A MOTION OR WHATEVER.
OKAY. SO THERE'S A MOTION TO, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION.
NO PROBLEM. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
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OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT MOTION? GO AHEAD, MISS STEWART, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.AS IT WAS SUBMITTED UNDER GPFM IN JUNE, IT SAYS SEEK RESTRUCTURING OF MUNICIPAL DART SALES TAX CONTRIBUTIONS. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU ALL SAY IS SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT FULL FUNDING FOR DART.
I DON'T WANT TO PARAPHRASE, BUT CAN YOU OFFER.
I'M SORRY. REPEAT YOUR QUESTION.
SORRY. NO, I JUST THINK MY QUESTION HAS REVEALED WHAT I FEARED WAS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS THAT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS ON THIS, RIGHT? EACH COMMITTEE IS GOING TO TAKE A DIFFERENT POSITION.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS THIS IS VERY RARE AND IT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
WE I'LL GIVE THE EXAMPLE SOMETHING HAPPENED I THINK IT WAS THE QUALITY OF LIFE A TERM OR TWO AGO.
AND THE CHAIR AT THAT TIME, I THINK, OF PUBLIC SAFETY, ADDED IT TO THEIR AGENDA LIKE A WEEK LATER.
AND SO WE HAD DUAL RECOMMENDATIONS, ONE FROM ONE BODY, ONE FROM THE OTHER THAT.
WE'RE COMMITTEES, AND THEN BUT AS A WHOLE, THAT'S THE ONLY VOTE THAT MATTERS IS AT THE WHOLE.
SO IT'S OKAY TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS.
THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAD LET US KNOW.
OKAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY RARE, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
OKAY. SO THE WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE OUR PROPOSAL.
AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER PROPOSAL.
AND ALL THIS WILL GET HASHED OUT ON WEDNESDAY.
YES. AND SO SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, YOU WOULD LIKE THE ITEM THAT COMES OUT OF TRANSPORTATION TO READ SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF SUPPORT, CONTINUED FULL FUNDING FOR DART, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND REPRESENTATION IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS THROUGH TRANSPORTATION.
OKAY. AND THEN MAKE SURE IT'S UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION PORTFOLIO.
OKAY, ABSOLUTELY. AND AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE MATERIALS FOR WEDNESDAY POSTED, BUT WE WILL VERBALLY MAKE NOTE OF THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BRIEFING ON WEDNESDAY.
GO AHEAD. CARRIE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT IN THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW THAT DART HAD TO SUBMIT BACK TO THE CITIES BASED ON FINANCE OR STRUCTURAL OR SOMETHING? THAT WAS IN THE LAST LEGISLATURE.
THERE WAS A BILL THAT WAS INTRODUCED LAST YEAR.
HOWEVER, DART DID AGREE TO EMPLOY A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS.
AND HOW COST AND EXPENSES WERE ALLOCATED ACROSS ITS MEMBER CITIES.
AND THAT REPORT WAS JUST ALEX, CAN YOU SPEAK UP WHEN THE REPORT WAS JUST RELEASED LAST WEEK? YES. THE ERNST AND YOUNG REPORT WAS RELEASED LAST TUESDAY AT THEIR BOARD OF AT THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING, THEY HAD A COMMITTEE OF A WHOLE. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DART BOARD IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THAT REPORT.
THE ERNST AND YOUNG REPORT THAT PROVIDES JUST THE KIND OF OVERVIEW OF COST ALLOCATION BY CITY AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE PROVIDED.
DO WE GET A COPY OF THE REPORT, MISS CARRIE? WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THE REPORT.
DO DO THE COUNCIL GOT A COPY OF IT? I AM NOT AWARE IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE IT.
MISS [INAUDIBLE] DID YOU? WE CAN CIRCULATE IT THROUGH DEB'S OFFICE.
CAN WE CIRCULATE TODAY BECAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT WEDNESDAY.
I'M SURPRISED WE DIDN'T GET A COPY OF IT.
YES. LYNLEY IS LISTENING OVER TO THE SIDE AND CAN SHARE THE REPORT FORWARD.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THE FULL CITY COUNCIL HAS IT, SIR.
TO ADD ON TO WHAT ALEX SAID, I BELIEVE WHEN THEY PRESENTED IT TO THE DART BOARD LAST WEEK, IT WAS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE ALGORITHMS THAT ERNST AND YOUNG REPORTED ON, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK TO THEIR FULL BOARD ON OCTOBER 16TH OR 15TH.
SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO FURTHER DISCUSS THE REPORT.
AND IS THERE ANYBODY IN VIRTUAL MR. RESENDEZ OR MISS MENDELSOHN? MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY.
WAS THERE A MOTION MADE TO ADD THAT ITEM, AND IF SO, WAS THERE A SECOND? AND CAN WE TAKE A VOTE, PLEASE? YES. THE MOTION WAS MADE BY MR. ATKINS AND IT WAS SECONDED BY MISS SCHULTZ.
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AND WE WILL BE TAKING A VOTE.ABSOLUTELY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO.
CAN WE HAVE A RECORD VOTE, PLEASE? SURE. NO PROBLEM.
AND WE'LL START WITH MR. ATKINS. YES, MR. GRACEY. YES, MISS.
AND WITH SIX IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES FORWARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
AND PATRICK CARRENO, THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION, WILL BE PRESENTING.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY COLLEAGUES.
BUT PATRICK WILL EXPLAIN ALL OF THAT IN HIS BRIEFING.
GO AHEAD. PATRICK, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
PATRICK CARRENO DIRECTOR OF AVIATION.
AS AS THE CHAIR SAID, THIS IS A CONTINUING UPDATE.
WE HAVE COME TO THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WITH THIS, AND WE'RE PROVIDING A CURRENT UPDATE OF ACTIVITIES.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FORECAST OF PASSENGER LEVELS, AIRPORT COMPARISON SERVICE LEVELS, AND AREAS OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS PRESENTATION. CURRENT ACTIVITIES.
SO WE HAVE MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH OUR STAKEHOLDER ADVISORY GROUP.
WE THE LAST TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE BRIEFING WAS IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
WE'VE HELD TWO PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER STAKEHOLDER GROUP ACTUALLY TODAY AND IN NOVEMBER AND THEN GOING BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE, MORE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THEN A FULL COUNCIL BRIEFING EARLY NEXT YEAR.
THE MASTER PLAN FORECAST, THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THESE ARE PASSENGER AND PLANE PASSENGERS OR PASSENGER BOARDINGS.
THAT IS WHAT WE CALCULATE ALL OF OUR WORK OFF OF.
SO YOU CAN SEE BY PLANNING ACTIVITY LEVEL THREE THAT WE CAP OUT AROUND $24 MILLION TOTAL PASSENGERS, OR $11.9 MILLION ANNUAL IN PLANE PASSENGERS.
WE WANTED TO SHOW SOME COMPARISONS AS WE WORK THROUGH ALTERNATIVES.
SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE AIRPORT.
SO IN 2040, WE'RE EXPECTED TO BE REACH OUR CAPACITY OF $11.9.
BUT ESSENTIALLY BY EARLY 2030S WE'VE REACHED CAPACITY AROUND $11.5 MILLION ANNUAL ENPLANEMENTS.
YOU CAN SEE SOME COMPARABLES, WE WANTED TO GIVE SOME VISUAL GRAPHICS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE HAVE BALTIMORE, SAN DIEGO, RONALD REAGAN NATIONAL IN DC.
YOU CAN SEE AN AIRPORT LIKE DETROIT THAT HAS A SIMILAR ENPLANEMENT TOTAL BY OUR CAP IS DEALING WITH 147 GATES WHICH IS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND SO WE WANTED TO, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERALL PERSPECTIVE ON OUR CONSTRAINTS, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD AND HOW WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE'LL TALK QUICKLY ABOUT JUST SOME OF THE AREAS.
SO THE TERMINALS ONE, YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE COLORS ON HERE.
BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU WANT TO GET TO YELLOW OR GREEN.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT.
AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND YOU'VE PROBABLY EXPERIENCED THOSE WHEN YOU TRAVEL THROUGH THE AIRPORT NOW.
SO AS WE LOOK AT TERMINAL, THIS IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE ON.
JUST A QUICK VIEW OF THE TERMINAL LEVEL.
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YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED AND WHERE WE'RE AT.AND IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES IS WHERE DO WE PUT THAT SPACE? YOU KNOW, SO WE NEED QUITE A BIT OF SPACE JUST ON THAT GROUND LEVEL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE, TERMINAL LEVEL TWO.
THIS WOULD BE WHERE YOU'RE AT WHEN YOU'RE WAITING FOR YOUR GATE.
MANY OF YOU PROBABLY EXPERIENCED RESTROOMS, CONCESSIONS, HOLD ROOMS. IT'S VERY BUSY. SO AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT TOTAL ADDITIONAL SPACE REQUIRED, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 275,000FT².
AS WE WORK THROUGH THE ALTERNATIVES, THAT NUMBER WILL CHANGE.
ON THE LANDSIDE, SO THIS WOULD BE, THINK ROADWAYS, PARKING, RENTAL CARS, THE CURB.
AGAIN, SOME CHALLENGES PARTICULARLY YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS DROPPING OFF OR PICKING UP PASSENGERS.
WE HAVE SOME CONRAC, WHICH IS OUR CONSOLIDATED RENTAL CAR FACILITY OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
RENTAL CARS DON'T QUITE HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE FOR THEIR OPERATIONS.
SO AGAIN, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE YELLOW OR GREEN LEVEL AND STAY AWAY FROM THE THE DARKER REDS.
PUBLIC PARKING. YOU CAN SEE OUR CURRENT PUBLIC PARKING.
SO WE'RE, AGAIN, SHORT ON THE CURBSIDE.
WE HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT SOLUTIONS FOR THIS CHALLENGE.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE ARRIVALS CURB, WE'RE ABOUT 530 LINEAR FEET SHORT.
AND ON THE DEPARTURE CURBS WE'RE APPROXIMATELY 230 LINEAR FEET SHORT.
AND WE LOOK ALL THE WAY OUT PAST THE AIRPORT ITSELF.
SO THAT'S A BIG PRIORITY FOR US AND HOW WE RESOLVE HOW WE GET PASSENGERS TO AND FROM THE AIRPORT.
SO ALL OF THESE LISTED HAVE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS THAT COULD HELP THE TERMINAL AREA.
A LOT OF US DEVELOPED, SOME OF IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED, SOME OF IT COULD BE REDEVELOPED.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HIGHEST AND BEST USE IN THESE AREAS.
WHAT'S THE COST BENEFIT TO DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVES THAT WILL WORK WITH THE STAKEHOLDER ADVISORY GROUP WE'LL WORK WITH WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC, AND WE WILL SHARE THAT WITH THIS COMMITTEE TO GET SOME INSIGHTS BACK FROM THE COMMITTEE.
SO NEXT STEPS LIKE I SAID THE ALTERNATIVES DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, THE TWO STAKEHOLDER GROUP MEETINGS, THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE WILL COME BACK FOR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE BRIEFING.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
MISS MENDELSOHN, DO YOU WANT TO START US OFF OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT [INAUDIBLE] VERY GOOD.
MR. RESENDEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? NONE. OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE HERE IN COMMITTEE? ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? PATRICK, YOU DID AMAZING.
SORRY WE HAD TO BUMP YOU TO THIS WEEK, BUT I THINK IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE THE FINISHED MASTER PLAN WHEN IT GETS HERE.
THANK YOU. ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
NEXT WE HAVE ITEM D DIGITAL KIOSKS WITH CITY RIGHTS OF WAY UPDATE.
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DOING THE PRESENTATION.AND THEN WE'LL DO QUESTIONS AND ALL OF THAT AFTER.
MISS LIU, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
THERE WE GO. MY NAME IS EMILY LIU I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
SO FOR ALL YOUR DETAILED QUESTIONS, HE'S PROBABLY THE ONE WHO ANSWERED THEM.
SO WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THIS COMMITTEE.
THE THREE THINGS WE BASICALLY WANT TO UPDATE YOU.
ONE IS THE RESEARCH WE HAVE CONDUCTED AS WELL AS BEST PRACTICES.
THE OTHER ONE IS WE ARE TASKED TO GATHER PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS SUBJECT AND THEN OFFER SOME BASICALLY THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO THE AGENDA KIND OF REFLECT WHAT I JUST MENTIONED ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING.
THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS.
AND ALSO WE HAVE DONE SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS.
I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT THAT TO YOU AND THEN PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
AND THEN WE'LL CONSIDER NEXT STEPS.
BASICALLY THE CITY RIGHT NOW HAS A STATIC KIOSK A REGULAR KIOSK.
THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU SAW A LOT IN A LOT OF PLACES IN DOWNTOWN AND IN MANY MAJOR CORRIDORS.
THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 137 OF THEM WITH DIFFERENT.
SOME OF THEM HAVE THREE FACES.
SO THESE ARE ALL LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY, NOT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE EXISTING KIOSKS ARE, IT'S PRETTY TALL, ABOUT ALMOST TEN FEET TALL AND ROUGHLY 4.5FT WIDE IT'S A ROUND KIOSK. I HAVE SOME PICTURES LATER ON.
SO FOR THE STATIC KIOSK, WE HAD A 20 YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE EXISTING CONTRACT VENDOR.
AND THAT CONTRACT WILL END EXPIRE ON JUNE 30TH, 2028.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE YEARS PLUS NINE MONTHS.
SO THAT EXISTING COUNCIL WE HAD A 20 YEAR CONTRACT, IT'S A LONG TIME.
AND ALSO I MENTIONED ALREADY MENTIONED HOW MANY WE HAVE THE DIMENSION.
WE GENERATE ABOUT $16.7 MILLION OVER THE LIFE SPAN OF THE 20 YEARS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 GENERATE ABOUT $637,500 A YEAR.
SO THAT'S ROUGHLY A YEAR'S REVENUE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
FOR THE DIGITAL KIOSKS IN VICTORY PARK, WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE 20.
I BELIEVE THEY HAVE 17 RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE DO NOT GENERATE ANY REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
SO THOSE ARE ALSO A SEPARATE CONTRACT WITH VICTORY PARK, BUT ALL THE REVENUE STAY THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY REVENUE FOR THOSE, BUT IT'S A VERY SMALL PROGRAM.
THE SIDEWALK HERE IS PRETTY NARROW.
BUT SEE, THIS IS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMMENTING ABOUT THE EXISTING KIOSKS.
AND THERE IS A PICTURE HERE, SHOWS ONE IN VICTORY PARK.
THIS IS A DIGITAL KIOSK IN VICTORY, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SECTION HAS A LITTLE BIT WIDER SIDEWALKS.
SO THESE ARE JUST TWO EXAMPLES.
I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE.
YOU PROBABLY ALREADY AWARE OF THIS? I'M SURE YOU DO, BECAUSE I HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH THIS COMMITTEE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
SO THIS PROJECT STARTED MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, STARTED WITH SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE DIGITAL
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KIOSK. THE FORMER DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS WAS TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT.AND IN MAY OF 2023 THROUGH JULY, THERE WAS AN RFP OFFERED OR ISSUED AT THAT TIME AND THEN CITY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY OF 2024 HAD A REVIEW OF THIS AND THEN AUTHORIZED THE REJECTION OF ALL PROPOSALS.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE, JUST LET YOU KNOW.
AND THEN THERE'S IN MARCH, WE STARTED TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH DOWNTOWN DALLAS INC.
HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION WITH OAK LAWN COMMITTEES AND THEN PRESENTATION TO BISHOP ART DISTRICT.
AND THERE ARE SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN APRIL OF 2024, A VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING AND THEN APRIL 2020 APRIL 26TH, 2024, THERE IS A PRESENTATION OF MEETING WITH DDI PUBLIC POLICY COMMITTEE.
AND THEN APRIL 29TH, 2024 THERE'S AN IN-PERSON PUBLIC MEETING ABOUT THE DIGITAL KIOSKS.
AND THEN MAY 1ST, 2024, THERE'S A CITY COUNCIL BRIEFING THAT'S KIND OF THE PREVIOUS EFFORT.
AND THEN IN JUNE INTERIM CITY MANAGER KIM TOLBERT ASKED TO HAVE A RESET OF DIGITAL KIOSKS, THAT'S IN JUNE, AND OUR DEPARTMENT IS TASKED TO START OVER THIS PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE DID IS THAT DURING THE LAST THREE MONTHS, WE HELD A STAKEHOLDER MEETING THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN JUNE, ON JUNE 20TH, 2024.
WE ALSO HELD A HYBRID PUBLIC MEETING ON AUGUST 15TH, 2024.
I KNOW SOME COUNCIL PERSON WAS ALSO IN THERE AS WELL.
LARRY SCHOOLER FROM AUSTIN CAME HERE AND FACILITATED BOTH MEETINGS.
AND NEXT SLIDE AND I'M A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF.
SO WE HAVE DONE SOME CASE STUDY.
I'M SORRY. THIS IS A FUNNY LITTLE SMALL, BUT WE HAVE LOOKED AT SEVERAL MORE THAN A DOZEN CITIES, BUT WE SELECTED A FEW CITIES, KIND OF COMPARABLE IN SIZE WITH DALLAS.
SO WE HAVE SAN ANTONIO, HOUSTON, KANSAS CITY, BERKELEY, SEATTLE AND NEW YORK.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SCALE IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
IN TERMS OF SIZE, WE HAVE A SIZE AS SMALL AS 30 KIOSKS.
SO THE PROGRAM SIZE IS REALLY DIFFERENT.
SO THESE ARE REALLY LONG TERM.
YOU DON'T USUALLY DO A YEAR OR TWO.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND ALSO FROM THE REVENUE PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
AND THEY USUALLY HAVE A MINIMUM GUARANTEED REVENUE FOR EACH YEAR.
SO THOSE ARE TYPICAL CONTRACT.
AND ALSO THE LOCATION USUALLY IS LOCATED DOWNTOWN OR SOME MAJOR CORRIDOR, BECAUSE THEY DO NEED A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GENERATE REVENUE.
SO THOSE ARE THE RESEARCH WE HAVE DONE FOR THE CITY.
WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CITY IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PRESENT THE MAJOR FINDINGS WITH YOU.
HERE GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF DESIGN PERSPECTIVE AND ALSO JUST THE STYLE.
THEY ALL COULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SOME ARE BROADER SOME ARE NARROWER.
SOME ARE TALLER SOME ARE SHORTER.
THEY COULD LOOK AT BIGGER, THEY COULD LOOK AT SMALLER, BUT THEY ARE ALL DIGITAL EXAMPLES.
SO WE HAD TWO MAJOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
ONE IS STAKEHOLDER MOSTLY DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
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WE HAVE GOOD PARTICIPATION IN THAT IN THOSE MEETINGS.MOSTLY WE HEARD IS NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DIGITAL KIOSK.
AND THE SECOND MEETING IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
AS I MENTIONED, IT'S A HYBRID WHERE PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN PERSON.
GUESTS WE HAVE OVER 30 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN PERSON.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN THIS BUILDING.
AND ALSO WE HAVE ABOUT 35 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE ONLINE.
WE HAVE A SURVEY RIGHT THERE RIGHT ON SITE AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT SUBJECTS AND ASK PEOPLE TO VOTE.
WE HAVE THOSE RESULTS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE IT WAS PRETTY EXTENSIVE IN TERMS NOTICES WE SENT OUT, AND WE ALSO OFFERED INTERPRETER INTERPRETER ON SITE FOR THAT MEETING.
SO WHAT WE HEARD IS WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS.
WE DID HEAR SOME IN SUPPORT OF THIS, BUT BASICALLY, THERE ARE CHALLENGES.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING JUST TOTALLY BAD OR TOTALLY GOOD.
MOSTLY PEOPLE QUESTIONED WHETHER IT'S USEFUL OR NOT OR RELEVANT BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES QUICKLY AS WE SEE IN THIS YEAR, WHAT IS GOOD MAY NOT BE YOU KNOW, USABLE IN THREE YEARS.
AND PEOPLE WERE THINKING, WE HAVE CELL PHONES, EVERYBODY USE THAT.
BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT.
AND PEOPLE WERE REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT PEDESTRIAN OBSTACLES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BECAUSE I MENTIONED THESE ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
ONE OF THE PICTURE PROBABLY SHOWS YOU CAN SEE WAS LIKE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF RIGHT AWAY.
AND PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING ABOUT MAINTENANCE SECURITY.
SOME OTHER CITIES DO FACE SOME YOU KNOW, VANDALISM AND SOME ISSUES WITH THE DIGITAL KIOSKS AND ALSO TALKING ABOUT DESIGN, HOW IT CAN LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT CAN BLEND IN.
AND ALSO, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DATA COLLECTION AND THE CONTENT OF THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS.
THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SOME OPPORTUNITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, VISITOR FROM OTHER COUNTRY MAY COME HERE, MAY NOT HAVE YOU KNOW, THE THE WI-FI.
THIS DOES OFFER SOME WI-FI OPPORTUNITY FOR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS AS WELL.
THEY HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH DIGITAL KIOSKS ELSEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO WE ARE OFFERING THREE OPTIONS.
SO WE OFFER THREE DIFFERENT BASICALLY OPTIONS.
ONE IS OUR CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES ON JUNE 30TH 2028.
YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S ONLY THREE YEARS AND NINE MONTHS.
AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING LATER, YOU CAN DO OR JUST DON'T DO ANYTHING.
THERE'S PROS AND CONS I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IN DETAILS, BUT NEXT ONE PLEASE.
THE SECOND OPTION IS NEXT SLIDE.
THE SECOND OPTION IS THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING KIOSK STATIC I MEAN BUT THEN ALLOW SOME LIMITED AREA SPECIFIC PROGRAM.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE VICTORY PARK.
SO THERE ARE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS BUT THIS COULD BE ONE OPTION.
OH BY THE WAY, IF WE DO KIND OF TERMINATE OUR EXISTING KIOSK, THERE WILL BE PENALTY.
SINCE WE HAVE ALMOST FOUR YEARS, IT'S CLOSE TO $1 MILLION.
THE THIRD OPTION, THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
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SO THIS IS OPTION THREE WHICH BASICALLY SAY YOU MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT TERMINATE WHICH IS YOU KNOW DOES COST THE CITY MONEY AND THEN START OVER LIKE REIMAGINE.HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO NOTE THE REASON WE PUT THIS OPTION IN THERE, BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT THERE MIGHT NEED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF EVERYTHING, NOT JUST LOOKING AT DIGITAL KIOSKS AND HAVE A CONTRACT VERY QUICKLY.
SO THIS ALLOWS YOU TO LOOK AT WAYFINDING PUBLIC INFORMATION AND GET A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO SEE WHERE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO LAUNCH THAT PROGRAM.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEYOND THE ABILITY OF OUR DEPARTMENT.
AND WE WERE TASKED A LOT OF THINGS.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE DON'T THINK WE CAN DO.
I THINK THIS NEED A CONSULTANT.
THINKING ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET IN THIS COMING YEAR.
IF YOU PUT THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, 2024-2025, OCTOBER 1ST, ALLOW SIX MONTHS FOR CONSULTANT TO BE ON BOARD, ALLOWING ANOTHER YEAR FOR THE CONSULTANT TO STUDY AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT VERY CLOSE TO THAT JUNE 30TH, 2028 ANYWAY, SO BUT THIS IS THE OPTION.
BUT IF YOU GET IT DONE SOONER, YOU HAVE TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT AND THEN START OVER.
BUT THIS OPTION ALLOW YOU TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING COMPREHENSIVELY.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS.
AND THIS IS THE NEXT STEP I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE HERE TODAY, NOT JUST TO PRESENT OUR FINDINGS, BUT ALSO WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL SO THAT WE CAN EITHER ONE OF THE OPTIONS, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD OR NOT DO ANYTHING.
SO BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK RECOMMENDATION, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE.
THE FIRST ONE, OPTION ONE LOOK LIKE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, JUST LIKE EXPIRE MAYBE A YEAR, 12 MONTHS OR 18 MONTHS IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN BEFORE THAT EXPIRE.
LATE 2026 OR EARLY 2027 YOU MAY WANT TO START LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN.
BUT OPTION ONE BASICALLY SAY LET EXISTING CONTRACT EXPIRE.
DON'T DO ANYTHING BETWEEN NOW AND WE DON'T NEED TO PAY A PENALTY.
OPTION TWO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THAT, THEN OUR DEPARTMENT CAN BRING A PLAN TO YOU LATER ON TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO MORE LIKE A PILOT PROJECT I WOULD SAY A SMALL AREA TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST THERE, SEE IF THERE ARE ANY BENEFIT TO THE AREA, BUT WE HOPE THAT THIS PROGRAM WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL GET SUPPORT FROM THE LOCAL AREA.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GET SOME GUIDELINES FROM OUR ATTORNEYS AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS AND THREE DIFFERENT STEPS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, CAN DETERMINE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AND GIVE YOU SOME MORE FEEDBACK AND THEN DIRECTION TO STAFF.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE SOME PICTURES YOU KNOW, AS APPENDICES.
AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT IF YOU WANT.
BUT WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
AND I'M GOING TO START IN HERE.
ARE THERE ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT [INAUDIBLE] GO AHEAD MISS SCHULTZ.
DID YOU SAY YOU WANTED TO GO AHEAD? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M DEFINITELY INCLINED TOWARD LOOKING AT THINGS IN THE BIGGER VISION AND USING SOME OF THE INCOME THAT WE'RE GETTING NOW FROM THE WAYFINDING TO PAY FOR THAT LARGER STUDY. WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO NOW FROM THE $600 OR SO THOUSAND WE'RE IN RECEIVING? WHERE IS THAT? DOES THAT GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND? I THINK I THINK SO, BUT I THINK SOMETHING I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT.
IT COMES BACK TO THE CITY DOES NOT GO TO ANY, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESSES.
NO, BUT I THINK IT'S GENERAL FUND.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ALSO, I'D LIKE DR.
KHANKARLI, TO COME ON UP IF HE CAN.
I KNOW HE CAN, BUT IF HE WILL.
DRIVEN PRIMARILY THROUGH PLANNING AND IT'S EXCELLENT.
AND I KNOW EVEN OUR AIRPORT HAS STRUGGLED, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
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SO THAT ALL THAT ASIDE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, DOCTOR, WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY THIS MORNING.COULD YOU SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS, THE CHALLENGES HERE AND WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND? CERTAINLY. THANK YOU.
GHASSAN KHANKARLI, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.
SO BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, CERTAINLY THE AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE DURING I MEAN, MY TENURE HERE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND WORKING IN THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THE CHALLENGE TO THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY ON OUR SIDEWALKS HAS BEEN A MAJOR CHALLENGE, AND THEREFORE WE ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DECLUTTER OUR SIDEWALKS TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING AND SAFER IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
THERE ARE POTENTIAL LOCATIONS WHERE THESE KIOSKS CAN BE USED AND INSTALLED.
OTHER LOCATIONS COULD BE THE FAIR PARK GROUND WHERE WE CAN HAVE THESE THINGS.
SO DEFINITELY THE, THE CHALLENGES THERE.
AND AND I'M GOING TO LEAN A LITTLE BIT ON MY ACADEMIC BACKGROUND A LITTLE BIT.
SO DURING MY RESEARCH AND WORK IN ACADEMIA.
SO IN THIS CASE, IF WE ARE GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF ALLOWING SOMEONE TO CONTROL ON WHERE TO PUT STUFF IN, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE GOOD OUTCOME.
SO WE HAVE A GOOD MODEL THAT ACTUALLY COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED INPUT AND APPROVED, WHICH IS OUR CURB LANE MANAGEMENT. AND THE WAY WE DO OUR BUSINESS ON CURB LANE MANAGEMENT AND PARKING IS THAT WE AS A CITY ARE IN FULL CONTROL OF IT, AND WE HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR OR THIRD PARTY PROVIDER TO MANAGE THIS ON OUR BEHALF BASED ON OUR DIRECTION.
SO I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONGER RESPONSE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PROVIDE THE BACKGROUND ON WHAT MY OPINION IS AND WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THANK YOU.
WHAT I HEAR FROM THIS IS CITY CONTROL I HEAR THAT IT SHOULD BE SURGICAL RATHER THAN WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION RECOMMENDATION AND THAT ALSO THAT THE AND IN THAT LIKE A CITY, THE IDEA OF CITY WIDE IS NOT NECESSARILY IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST.
LIU? I'LL JUST CALL YOU EMILY.
SO SO, DOCTOR PUT ON HIS PROFESSIONAL HAT, WOULD YOU? JUST FROM YOUR OWN PROFESSIONAL OPINION, I KNOW WE HAVE THE OPTIONS, I GET THAT.
WHAT WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? I WOULD RECOMMEND, LET THE CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRE IN JUNE 20TH 2028, MAYBE 12 MONTHS OR 18 MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT, WE REVISIT.
SO WHAT IS GOOD TODAY WILL WORK TODAY MAY NOT WORK EVEN IN 2 OR 3 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPOSITION FOR THE PROGRAM TODAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A FEW VOICES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS, AND I THINK THAT COULD WORK. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK MAYBE LOOKING AT A SMALL AREA.
BY THE WAY, NOBODY LIKES THE EXISTING STATIC KIOSKS.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYONE SAYING THEY LOVE IT BUT ANYWAY.
BUT THEN MAYBE EXPERIMENT A SMALL AREA LIKE FAIR PARK, CONVENTION CENTER.
THOSE ARE SPECIFIC AREA, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE GET PUBLIC INPUT ON THOSE AS WELL.
AND THEN I THINK THAT ONCE WE KNOW WHERE THE HOW THE MONEY IS USED CURRENTLY, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE DESIGNATE SOONER THAN LATER SO THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THE KIND OF WORK OR PILOTS OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
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IT'S ALREADY IN RESERVE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HIT OUR BUDGET WITH THAT.YEAH, I THINK THAT MIGHT WORK.
USUALLY THE THE RESEARCH WE'VE DONE IS CITY HAVE A KIND OF A CONTRACT.
THE CONTRACTOR PAYS FOR EVERYTHING EVEN INCLUDING ELECTRICITY AND ALL OF THAT.
HOWEVER, THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM THIS, YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHERE THAT REVENUE GOES.
SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN ALLOCATE THAT MONEY THAT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETIME YOU CAN GET SOME SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY BENEFIT FROM IT.
GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE? AND LET ME LET ME GET BECAUSE CARA IS ON THE COMMITTEE.
LET ME GET HER FIRST. MR. RIDLEY.
MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR NOW AT THIS TIME.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF HIRING ANY CONSULTANTS TO EVALUATE ANY KIND OF KIOSKS.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO NO MORE HARM.
AND I HOPE THAT WHILE I'M ON COUNCIL, WE NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN.
SO IF IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, I HOPE IT'S AFTER I'M GONE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RESENDEZ DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? NONE. VERY GOOD, MR. RIDLEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. QUESTION FOR STAFF IN THE CASE STUDIES THAT YOU DID RESEARCH ON, DID YOU EXAMINE CITIES THAT HAD CONSIDERED INSTALLATION OF DIGITAL KIOSKS BUT REJECTED THE IDEA? I'M GOING TO ASK GRAY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
GRAY PARKER WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, CITY OF PHOENIX DID APPROVE A CONTRACT WITH THE VENDOR THIS PAST YEAR, AND THEY DID INSTALL MAYBE 5 OF WHAT WERE APPROVED FOR 20, AND THEY'VE HALTED THAT PROGRAM AND THEY'RE REEVALUATING IT.
SO I DO KNOW OF THAT EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE TAKEN A SECOND, SECOND THOUGHT ON IT.
DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY WERE HALTING THE PROGRAM TO REEVALUATE? I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS ON THAT.
SO UNDER THE EXISTING STATIC KIOSK PROGRAM, IS THERE AN OPTION TO FOR THE VENDOR TO RENEW THAT CONTRACT? AND RENEW YOU MEAN? TO RENEW TO EXTEND IT BEYOND JUNE OF 28? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE. OKAY, SO THAT PROGRAM WILL DEFINITELY END IN JUNE OF 28.
I DON'T KNOW, THEY WANT TO RENEW EITHER.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE VERY UP TO DATE.
THE STYLE AND EVERYTHING, BUT, YES, THREE YEARS NINE MONTHS.
OKAY. AND OF CONTRACTS WHERE WITH THE NEW DIGITAL KIOSK WHERE CITIES HAVE HAD THE OPTION TO RENEW.
AND UNDER THE STATIC KIOSK CONTRACT, DOES THE VENDOR HAVE TO REMOVE ALL OF THE KIOSKS AT THE END OF THE CONTRACT TERM? YES. THEY HAVE TO REMOVE AND RESTORE THE SIDEWALK AS WELL.
OKAY. WELL, I WANT TO EXPRESS THAT THIS PROCESS OF OBTAINING STAKEHOLDER INPUT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SIX MONTHS NOW.
AND FRANKLY, I THINK WE'RE WEARING OUT OUR STAKEHOLDERS, THEIR REPRESENTATIVES ARE DOWN HERE TODAY.
THEY ATTENDED THE AUGUST 15TH MEETING IN FORCE.
THEY'VE PROVIDED LETTERS AND EMAILS.
AND AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, RATHER THAN WAITING TO WEAR OUT THE STAKEHOLDERS SO THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER PRESENT WHEN THE DECISION IS MADE.
THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE DECISION MAKING.
AND THEIR APPEAL HAS BEEN 90% PLUS FOR NO DIGITAL KIOSKS.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
YOU JUST GAVE THE PROS AND THE CONS.
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BUT OVER 90% OF THE ATTENDEES REGISTERED THAT THEY WERE AGAINST THE KIOSKS.THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT I HEARD AND I WAS THERE WHO WERE IN FAVOR OF THEM WERE CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, WHO WON'T HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THE PEDESTRIAN INACCESSIBILITY AROUND THESE, AND THE INCONVENIENCE OF BUSINESSES WHO ARE TRYING TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN PROXIMITY TO THESE KIOSKS.
AND SO I STRONGLY SUPPORT OPTION ONE PLAY OUT THE EXISTING CONTRACT UNTIL IT EXPIRES SO THAT WE DON'T INCUR $1 MILLION A YEAR PENALTY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME DROP THIS IDEA OF DIGITAL KIOSKS.
THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT, AND I JUST SEE NO REASON TO PURSUE THIS DISCUSSION OF ADDING THESE NEW KIOSKS ANY FURTHER.
OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF MAINTAINING THE CONTRACT.
I THINK THAT BY SAYING THE STAKEHOLDERS, THOSE HAVE BEEN THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN APPROACHED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, BUT TO RULE OUT NOW ANY OTHER PROGRAMS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FROM ANYONE, WE HAVEN'T ASKED ANYONE ELSE ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY MIGHT WANT TO HAVE IT, LIKE FAIR PARK OR OTHER PLACES.
AND SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT IDEA OF SAYING, NO, THIS PROGRAM IS DONE.
I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT OPTION TWO.
MR. MORENO, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.
AS DALLAS IS AND CONTINUE TO FACE BUDGET DEFICITS.
WE MUST LOOK AT RESPONSIBLE AND ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES.
FOR ME, I REALLY WANT TO HOLD IN ON SAFETY AND SECURITY.
IT TOOK HOURS FOR THE MEDIA TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP AND PUT AN IMAGE OUT FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE.
IN DEEP ELLUM, WE'VE HAD A SUCCESSFUL CAMERA CAMPAIGN WHERE WE HAVE CAUGHT AND APPREHENDED VIOLENT CRIMINALS BECAUSE OF THE TECHNOLOGY BROUGHT WITH THESE CAPABILITIES, THE ABILITY TO CALL 911 FROM THESE CALL CENTER BUTTONS IS CRITICAL.
IT TOOK SOME TIME TO BE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF A DPD.
IMAGINE IF WE HAD A PUBLIC PANIC BUTTON ON THESE KIOSKS.
IT WOULD HAVE CAPTURED THE VIOLENT ASSAULT THAT TOOK PLACE.
WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INSTANTLY BROADCAST THE IMAGES OF THESE, OF THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT DID THIS HORRENDOUS VIOLENT ACT. FOR ME, I SEE THIS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT PLACEMENT, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSING AND WALKING THROUGH.
BUT I WILL I DO NOT WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING TECHNOLOGY THAT WILL BE USEFUL FOR TODAY, AND UNDERSTANDING TECHNOLOGY DOES CHANGE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE THE INNER WORKINGS OF HOW THE SYSTEMS ARE BUILT OUT, BUT TYPICALLY YOU HAVE A FRAME AND ALL THE INFORMATION, THE NEW INFORMATION IS UPLOADED.
I MEAN, I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES I UPLOAD MY PHONE TO HAVE THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY, RIGHT? AND SO MY HOPE IS THAT AFTER TALKING TO SMALL BUSINESSES WHO HAVE SHOWN SUPPORT THAT WE LOOK AT THIS CLOSELY.
AND IMAGINE IF WE HAD A WAY TO PROMOTE THESE SMALL BUSINESSES, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE OPEN AND WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED BY WAY, BY SIGNS, BY JUST LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE AFFECTED, THESE SAME BUSINESSES THAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT, IF WE HAD A
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MECHANISM TO, THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON THE REVENUE SOURCE TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE LOSSES THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT THIS MINUTE BECAUSE OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND ONCOR PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, IF WE HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE A REVENUE STREAM TO HELP THESE SMALL BUSINESSES, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MORENO. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANY MORE COMMENTS? MR. ATKINS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
WHEN WE LOOK AT PLACING THESE KIOSKS WOULD THEY BE PLACED ALL ON PUBLIC PROPERTY OR PRIVATE? WHILE THESE ARE ALL PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN PUBLIC RIGHT.
IF THEY'RE LOCATED IN A PRIVATE PROPERTY, IS A SEPARATE PROCESS.
IT GOES THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE DIGITAL KIOSKS WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT ABOUT ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND YOU HAD NARROW SIDEWALKS.
SO WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT SIDEWALKS IS WIDENED IF YOU PLACE THEM? THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE CONTRACT.
NOW IS TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS.
EVEN THOUGH WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THEY ARE STILL THEY NEED TO HAVE A PERMIT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE GUS TO COMMENT ON THAT ONE.
THE LOCATION CAN BE DETERMINED IN THE CONTRACT.
YOU HAVE TO MEET A SPECIFIC CRITERIA WHERE AND HOW BIG THE DIGITAL KIOSK CAN BE.
GUS, SHE PASSED A QUESTION OFF TO YOU SO ARE YOU GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT? AGAIN I'LL GO BACK TO MY EARLIER RESPONSE IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LIMITED RIGHT OF WAY IN THE IN MOST OF THESE LOCATIONS WHERE SOME OF THESE KIOSKS CAN GO.
AND IT GOES BACK TO THE BIGGER QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE CONTRACT IS STRUCTURED, IF IT IS.
AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, THAT IF IT IS A CITY DRIVEN CONTRACT, WE PRODUCE THE PLANS AND WE SAY THESE ARE THE AREAS AND LOCATIONS WHERE YOU CAN PUT IT IN.
HOWEVER, IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT, BASED ON WHAT THE INITIAL APPROACH TO THIS ONE WAS, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT A SOLICITATION OUT THERE WHERE THE VENDOR IS TO DECIDE, THAT CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING AND PROBLEMATIC.
SO I HEAR THAT THE QUESTION IS CITY DRIVEN CONTRACT, SO WOULD IT BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WOULD BE BEST IF IT WAS A CITY DRIVEN CONTRACT? I THINK THE CITY IS PART OF IT BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY AWAY MAJORITY OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS OWNED BY THE CITY UNLESS ON STATE ROUTE, SO THE CITY WILL BE AT THE TABLE JUST BECAUSE WE ARE THE OWNER OF THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A SMALL AREA OR.
BUT THE CITY SHOULD BE AT THE TABLE.
WELL, SO SO THEREFORE I THINK THAT IF THE CITY IS ON CITY PROPERTY, TO ME IT SHOULD BE A CITY DRIVEN CONTRACT, BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO THE RESIDENTS AND TO THE CITIZENS.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT REVENUE IN THIS? NO REVENUE. OKAY. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE.
QUESTION. HOW MANY KIOSKS DO WE HAVE DOWNTOWN? SO LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
THE KIOSKS WE'RE REFERRING TO WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF THESE PARTICULAR KIOSKS? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING KIOSKS? YES, THE EXISTING KIOSKS.
I CAN SHOW YOU THAT THE MAP WE DOWNLOADED FROM SLIDE FOUR.
IT DID NOT TELL EXACTLY HOW MANY IN DOWNTOWN, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE MAP AND SEE THE DENSITY.
AND JUST WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM.
BUT BUT WE ARE NOT DESIGNATING THESE KIOSKS JUST TO DOWNTOWN.
THIS THIS IS NOT JUST DOWNTOWN.
THERE'S ALL THE WAY CORRIDOR, ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
CAN WE PULL THAT? CAN WE HAVE THAT MAP SLIDE FOUR.
SO WHILE WE'RE PUTTING UP THAT MAP DOWNTOWN IS KIND OF HAVE A LOT OF CONCENTRATION.
AND THEN GOING NORTH IS KIND OF ON THE MAJOR CORRIDOR.
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THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DIGITAL KIOSKS OR REGULAR KIOSKS LOCATED IN AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.OF COURSE, DOWNTOWN HAS THE MOST PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
ARE WE SAYING THAT THE KIOSKS THAT ARE LOCATED IN CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, THERE IS A STRUCTURE THAT FOR PEDESTRIAN IS NOT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT? HERE. LET'S LOOK AT THIS PICTURE FROM THE MAP.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT? THAT'S GIVE YOU THE LOCATION OF THE YELLOW SQUARES ARE THE LOCATIONS OF THE CURRENT KIOSKS.
AND THEN GO ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH.
THERE ARE A FEW ON THE SOUTHWEST, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE LOCATIONS ARE.
OKAY, WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER THAT WHERE THESE CURRENT KIOSKS ARE LOCATED IS THERE A A SAFETY, A DESTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS? YES.
IN THE CONTRACT WE SPECIFICALLY SPELL OUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC CRITERIA, BUT WE DO NOT INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THAT.
AND THERE'S FOR EXAMPLE, THE PICTURE ONE OF THE KIOSKS SEEMS TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.
OKAY, THAT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE OUR SCOPE.
SO THE KIOSK THAT IS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS NOW, ARE THEY PROPERLY LOCATED FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OR THERE IS IN THE IN THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT THEY GOT TO CORRECT THE CURRENT KIOSKS IN THE CITY.
YEAH, THERE LANGUAGE IN THERE TELLING THEM YOU HAVE THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THERE.
YES. IN THE CONTRACT THE CITY HAS 2016 I BELIEVE THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE THE CONTRACT.
NO, I'M SORRY, 2007, WHEN WE HAD THE CONTRACT.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THERE TO PROTECT THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
HAVING A KIOSK LOCATED THAT NEED TO BE RELOCATED BASED ON THAT LANGUAGE.
HAVE WE CHECKED AND SEE HOW MANY KIOSKS IS LOCATED THAT IS NOT CONFIRMED TO THE DEFINITION OF THE CONTRACT? WE HAVE NOT.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY NOT? SINCE SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS.
WE WERE ASKED TO DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES AND COME BACK WITH KIND OF AN OPTION.
WE WERE NOT SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO VERIFY WHETHER EXISTING KIOSKS ARE IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IF WE GOT KIOSK LOCATED ON SIDEWALK AND THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE CONTRACT, THEY SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED THERE AND WE NEED TO GET IDENTIFIED HOW MANY KIOSKS THERE IS NOT LOCATED PROPERLY.
IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT KIOSK IN THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE SAFETY OF THEY BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN THE POSITION TO WALK ON THE SIDEWALK.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO AUTOMATIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
THAT SHOULD BE STRICTLY BASIC CONTRACT.
I WOULD OFFER THAT TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
I DON'T THINK THAT PUBLIC WORKS.
AND ABSOLUTELY WE HAVE A CONTRACT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S PUBLIC WORK.
AND THEN ANOTHER DEAL OF THE REVENUE, THAT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
BUT THE SAFETY OF THE SIDEWALKS AND PROTECTION WALKING BY THE KIOSK, I SEE SOME IS WEIGHING ON THE WHOLE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, ON THE EDGE OR WHATEVER, BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
SO I AM LOOKING FOR SOMETHING IN THIS PRESENTATION THAT'S NOT HERE.
WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BACK IN JUNE, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING, I THOUGHT, A STUDY AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE WORKED ON ACTUAL SPECIFICS, LIKE WE HAD DONE IN OUR SCOOTER MEETINGS, SO THAT WE CRAFTED THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THAT ORDINANCE WOULD SAY.
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HOW MANY SCOOTERS COULD BE ON A BLOCK FACE, HOW MANY SCOOTERS EACH COMPANY COULD HAVE IF THEY MET CERTAIN CRITERIA, THEY COULD BEGIN TO INCREASE THE NUMBER THAT THEY HAD.THERE WERE REAL SPECIFICS ABOUT HOW TO CONTROL AND MAINTAIN WHAT WAS COMING IN, BECAUSE WE'D HAD A REALLY BAD EXPERIENCE WHEN WE SAID, EVERYBODY COME AND IT WAS A MESS.
SO WE WE STEPPED BACK AND WORKED ON SOME REAL SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WENT INTO AN ORDINANCE THAT ARE, I THINK, KEEPING OUR SCOOTERS IN GREAT SHAPE. I MEAN, WE DON'T SEE THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE WERE SEEING PRIOR TO.
I DON'T SEE IN THIS PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, A LIST OF WHAT THOSE CRITERIA WOULD BE.
WHAT REQUIREMENTS WE WERE GOING TO MAKE OF THE COMPANIES COMING IN.
DID WE ARE WE WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? WHAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT IS JUST BEST PRACTICE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BASED ON THAT, BRING SOME OPTIONS.
WE EVEN THE CONTENT OF THE DIGITAL KIOSK IS REGULATED IN THERE LIKE SPECIFIC IN THERE, THE SIZE, THE HEIGHT, THE LOCATION. EACH CITY HAS ITS OWN, IT'S ALL DIFFERENT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING CAN BE THE NEXT PHASE.
I APPLAUD YOU THE QUESTION, BUT WE'RE JUST DOING THE FIRST PHASE AT THIS POINT.
BUT THAT'S WHERE THE STAKEHOLDERS SIT DOWN IN MONTHLY MEETINGS FOR I MEAN, DR.
KHANKARLI CAN GIVE YOU THE DETAILS OF THAT.
BUT WE SAT DOWN AND I WAS A STAKEHOLDER BACK THEN, AND WE SAT DOWN FOR MANY MONTHS AND COMBED THROUGH BEST PRACTICES AND FIGURED OUT WHAT WAS GOING TO WORK BEST FOR THE CITY.
AND THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS HAD A SEAT AT THAT TABLE BECAUSE THEY WERE A LOT OF THE THEY REPRESENTED A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THIS WHERE THE SCOOTERS WERE GOING TO HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT, AND IN THIS CASE WHERE THE KIOSK WILL HAVE A BIG IMPACT.
SO I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT AT SOME POINT WE DO THAT.
AND THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENCE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A FUTURE PHASE, IN MY OPINION.
I JUST LIKE TO GO OVER SOME SPECIFICS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AT THIS MEETING.
BUT FIRST PREFACING IT WITH THE COMMENT THAT REPRESENTING DOWNTOWN AND UPTOWN, WHERE I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THESE WILL LIKELY BE LOCATED BECAUSE OF OUR HIGH PEDESTRIAN COUNTS.
OUR SIDEWALKS ARE ALREADY BADLY CONGESTED.
IF YOU EVER DRIVE THROUGH DOWNTOWN AND LOOK AT THE SIDEWALKS, THEY ARE FILLED WITH ALL KINDS OF SIGNS, WITH NEWSPAPER STANDS, WITH DAILY SIGNS PUT OUT BY BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS THAT ADVERTISE THEIR WARES. IT IS ON TOP OF THE EXISTING 137 KIOSKS, WHICH ARE ALSO CONCENTRATED IN THE DISTRICT.
WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR MORE IMPEDIMENTS ON OUR SIDEWALKS.
WE TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WANT OUR CITY TO BE WALKABLE, AND WE'RE DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE OUR CITY MORE WALKABLE, WITH WIDER SIDEWALKS, ETC.
THIS IS MAKING IT LESS WALKABLE.
THERE IS SO FAR NO PROJECTION OF WHAT KIND OF REVENUE THIS PROGRAM WILL GENERATE.
THERE'S NO NEW FUNCTIONALITY OVER WHAT'S AVAILABLE WITH PEOPLE'S CELL PHONES.
THERE'S NO GOING TO BE NO CHOICE OF LOCATION, BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE START LIMITING OR DESIGNATING THE LOCATION, THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A LACK OF INTEREST ON THE PART OF ANY VENDOR BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LOCATE THEM AT THE HIGHEST AND BEST LOCATION FOR THEIR PURPOSES, NOT THE CITY'S PURPOSES.
AND THAT, I SUBMIT, IS GOING TO BE WHERE THERE ARE MOST OBSTRUCTION.
FINALLY, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY WILL BE OUTBID FOR THESE ADVERTISING SPACES BY THE BIG NATIONAL ADVERTISERS. AND THIS VENDOR IS GOING TO TAKE THE ADVERTISERS THAT OFFER THE HIGHEST RATES.
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AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEE A LOT OF COCA COLA AND NATIONAL CAR ADS ON THESE THINGS.IT'S NOT GOING TO BENEFIT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I SUBMIT THERE'S NO FUTURE TO THIS PROGRAM.
IT IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT ANYONE.
AND IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE OUR CITY LESS WALKABLE.
AND AT THIS TIME, MR. GRACEY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT STAFF REISSUE THE PREVIOUS RFP FOR DIGITAL KIOSKS WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, WITH THE FOLLOWING DESIGN GUIDE CONDITIONS AND ADDITIONS. NUMBER ONE 150 KIOSK PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS NO MORE THAN 50 NEW DIGITAL KIOSKS TO BE INSTALLED IN A SINGLE YEAR.
THREE, THE AWARDED VENDOR MUST FORMALLY NOTIFY AND DIRECTLY ANY DIRECTLY IMPACTED PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND OR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION GROUP AS DESIGNATED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS MAP AT A MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS PRIOR TO SUBMITTING A PERMIT REQUEST TO THE CITY OF DALLAS OF THE PROPOSED NEW DIGITAL KIOSK PLACEMENT. FOUR THE AWARDED VENDOR MUST FORMALLY NOTIFY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AT A MINIMUM 30 DAYS PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DIGITAL KIOSK. NUMBER FIVE, NOT MORE THAN TWO DIGITAL KIOSKS MAY BE INSTALLED ON ONE STREET BLOCK FACE.
SIX, NO DIGITAL KIOSKS MAY BE PLACED WITHIN 300FT OF A CURRENT STATIC KIOSK OR NEW DIGITAL KIOSK.
SEVEN, DIGITAL KIOSKS MAY ONLY BE INSTALLED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WITHIN A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET OF LINEAR DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CURB FACE AND THE PROPERTY LINE, WITHIN A MINIMUM OF 18IN FROM THE CURB FACE TO THE TWO KIOSK AND FOUR FEET CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE KIOSK AND PROPERTY LINE.
EIGHT, DIGITAL KIOSK MUST BE LOCATED AT LEAST TEN FEET AWAY FROM ANY INTERSECTION.
TEN, DIGITAL KIOSKS MAY NOT DISPLAY ANY STROBING OR FLASHING LIGHTS.
11, DIGITAL KIOSKS MAY NOT EXCEED NINE FEET IN HEIGHT FROM THE GROUND TO THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE DIGITAL KIOSK, AND 12, DIGITAL KIOSKS MUST BE CLEANED AT MINIMUM SIX DAYS A WEEK.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, THERE'S A FIRST AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? THIS IS GOING TO BE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
[INAUDIBLE] GO AHEAD, MR. ATKINS. I THINK I MIGHT GET A MOTION, BUT MY STAFF WOULD GET.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MOTION.
LITTLE BIT OF OF OF OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS MOTION.
ONE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND IT'S BEEN SAID SEVERAL TIMES BY ALL OF OUR COLLEAGUES.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND TALKING ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
AND IT'S BEEN I THINK AT ONE POINT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL TO CLEAN UP THE SPECIFICATIONS SO THAT WE COULD PUT IT BACK OUT ON THE STREET BASED ON THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
BUT WHAT THAT CONSISTED OF IS A COMBINATION OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY IN THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE SPECIFICATIONS TO KIND OF HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THERE.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE BIGGEST ONES THAT WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT 30 DAY NOTIFICATION BEFORE EVEN AN APPLICATION IS PUT IN PLACE TO ADD NEW ONES SO THAT THERE IS A 30 DAY WINDOW BEFORE A KIOSK IS EVEN ADDED THAT THEY WILL REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT POINT.
BUT THE OTHER PIECE IS THIS AS A CITY, AND AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE REVENUE, BUT I CAN TALK ABOUT THE REVENUE THAT'S BEEN LOST AS A RESULT OF THESE THINGS. SO FOR ME, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE CAN DO THIS SMART.
AND I THINK WE DO HAVE THE STAFF THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT CAN THINK THROUGH HOW TO GET THESE THINGS IMPLEMENTED IN A WAY THAT CREATES THE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE BUSINESSES THERE.
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LIKE WE'RE A SUBURB SOMETIMES.SO FOR ME, COLLEAGUES, I JUST WANT TO PUSH THIS ITEM FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AND AT 150, THAT'S ONLY 50 KIOSKS A YEAR.
AND THEN FINALLY, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO DISCUSS.
SO AGAIN, COLLEAGUES, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE US TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
I GET AND IT'S NOT BEING INSENSITIVE TO ALL OF YOUR NEEDS AND YOUR CONCERNS.
THEY ARE VERY LEGITIMATE CONCERNS IN TERMS OF EVEN SOME OF THE EXISTING ONES BEING PLACED AND NOT MANAGED WELL, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND START MAKING, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY, MAKE A LITTLE REVENUE AND BENEFIT.
I MEAN, WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION IN QUALITY OF LIFE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE LIBRARY DOESN'T HAVE WHAT, $700,000 TO CONTINUE A, A HOTSPOT PROGRAM, A HOTSPOT PROGRAM.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WAITING IN LINE MONTHS ON END FOR THESE HOTSPOTS, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO DISCONTINUE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE THAT THIS IS GOING TO DISRUPT SOMETHING THAT COULD ULTIMATELY BENEFIT.
THIS IS AGAIN, YOUR YOUR VOICES HAVE BEEN HEARD, YOUR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN HEARD.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE MOTION THAT I'M PUTTING FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESS WHAT'S TO COME IN ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING, AS WELL AS THE WORLD CUP AS WELL AS THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.
THANK YOU. I GUESS STAFF THE MOTION IS SAID TO REISSUE THE RFP. WHAT IS THE TIMELINE IF YOU'RE GOING TO REISSUE THE RFP? I KNOW IT'S THERE TODAY, BUT STAFF GOT TO GET IT.
GET IT THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THEY CAN DO IT IN 30 DAYS.
I MEAN, WE CAN TELL THEM TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE SHORTHANDED STAFF.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF STAFF THESE DAYS.
I DON'T KNOW WE CAN DO IT IN 30 DAYS.
I MEAN, WE CAN FACILITATE THAT, BUT.
I DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT.
TO ME, THIS IS A BIG DECISION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE OUR DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED THIS, WE DO IT RIGHT.
AND FROM THE ENGAGEMENT, WE HEAR I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS.
AND IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO AT LEAST GET MORE INPUT FROM.
SO HOW MUCH TIME WOULD IT TAKE TO DO RFP? IF YOU SAY, CAN I DO IT IN 30 DAYS WOULD BE 90 DAYS OR WOULD IT BE 60 DAYS? WHAT WOULD IT BE? IF YOU CAN ALLOW SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FROM THIS ONE WE GOT ONLY SO FAR, NOT EVEN DETAIL IT TOOK US THREE MONTHS RIGHT NOW JUST GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY TO GIVE YOU, LIKE A VERY HIGH LEVEL RECOMMENDATION TOOK ABOUT THREE MONTHS.
ALL RIGHT, I JUST I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION.
SO MY COLLEAGUE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
I'M GOING TO LET THEM RESPOND AND I COME BACK.
THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO OBVIOUSLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION.
OKAY. SPEAK TO THE MOTION. GO AHEAD.
SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE NEED TO NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE OTHER KIOSKS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REMOVED. WE CAN'T HAVE BOTH GOING.
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SAFETY PERSPECTIVE THAT AREN'T ABOUT THE DIGITAL KIOSKS.I THINK WE SHOULD BE MORE PLANFUL ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT VERY MUCH.
AS AS COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY BROUGHT UP, I'M THERE TO BE USED.
ALL THAT SAID, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THEM LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE IN GENERAL, BUT I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, VERY SURGICALLY, VERY CAREFULLY, CAREFULLY WHERE THEY ARE, HOW THEY ARE.
AND IF WE HAVE PARTS OF TOWN THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM.
JUST LIKE THIS I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO A CITYWIDE ANYTHING ON THIS AREA, AND WE SHOULD DO IT IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS EACH NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD THAT. AND IF THERE ARE A FEW THAT WANT TO DO IT NOW GREAT.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
AS FAR AS THE AND REFRESH MY MEMORY, BUT AS FAR AS THIS ORIGINAL, WE STARTED DOWN THIS PIPELINE.
THIS IS LIKE A TOTAL RESET BASICALLY GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
SO WE DID NOT I DID NOT EVEN TALK TO THE VENDOR MYSELF.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S OBJECTIVE.
YEAH. DON'T MISUNDERSTAND I'M SAYING I DIDN'T MENTION A VENDOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS ITSELF.
MY UNDERSTANDING, WE STARTED THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND THEN WE I FORGET THE TERM NOT A RECALL.
THAT'S A BAD WORD, BUT WE JUST ENDED IT.
WE ENDED IT. WE WE? YEAH, WE THREW IT OUT, BASICALLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE FEEDBACK WE DIDN'T GET.
AGAIN, THE ISSUE WAS WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
SO WE PAUSED IT, THREW IT OUT TO GO BACK AND GET THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
MY POINT IS THAT WAS ABOUT 3 OR 4 MONTHS AGO THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND DID ALL OF THAT, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE OBJECTIVE TO GET THAT FEEDBACK SO THAT WE COULD COME BACK WITH A PLAN IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THE SPECIFICATION.
SO FOR ME, THIS WAS US TRYING TO TRYING TO DO THAT.
YES. THE FEEDBACK WE GOT IS NO, THE GREAT MAJORITY.
I WOULD SAY THE GREAT MAJORITY OF FEEDBACK WE GOT IS NO DIGITAL KIOSK AT ALL CITYWIDE.
RIGHT. AND THEN AS WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AMONGST OUR COLLEAGUES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THAT ACTUALLY NOW DO INCLUDE AT SOME POINT THEY DO INCLUDE DIGITAL KIOSKS, JUST NOT RIGHT NOW.
SO WHILE THERE'S THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK OF NO DIGITAL KIOSKS, IT SEEMS AS IF WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD, JUST NOT RIGHT NOW.
SO MY POINT IS, YES, RIGHT NOW.
AND GIVEN THE DISCUSSION AND THE FEEDBACK, I THINK WE HAVE A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO I'LL STOP THERE AND JUST SEE IF WE CAN TAKE A VOTE.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. CHAIR MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. SO I'LL JUST SAY THERE'S SEVEN OF THESE IN DISTRICT 12.
THEY ARE ON STREETS WITH A SPEED LIMIT OF AT LEAST 40 MILES AN HOUR.
THEY COMPLETELY CONFLICT WITH THE VISION ZERO POLICY.
THEY ARE A HINDRANCE TO WALKABILITY, AND THEY ARE A COMPLETE VISUAL CLUTTER.
NOBODY IN DISTRICT 12 WANTS THEM.
AND IF THERE WAS SOME INTEREST IN PURSUING THESE, IT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE WITHIN DEFINED BOUNDARIES.
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BUT, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY REJECT THE IDEA THAT THESE ARE IMPOSED ON DISTRICT 12.WE CAN'T WAIT TILL THEY'RE GONE.
AND BESIDES THE FACT THAT THE ONES WE CURRENTLY HAVE ARE JUST UGLY AS SIN, THERE'S NO I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE PUTTING A SECOND KIND OF BILLBOARD THERE AT THIS TIME. THAT IS JUST ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.
SO THERE'S NO WAY AT ALL I SUPPORT THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS I JUST COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.
LET THIS THING EXPIRE AND DIE AND GO AWAY.
MR. RESENDEZ DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? MR. WEST, I SEE YOU'RE ONLINE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE WAITING TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR NOT.
THANK YOU CHAIR. JUST A COUPLE.
BUT THE ORDINANCE BEFORE WE, WE VOTED ON SUPPORTING THAT PILOT PROJECT.
SO FOR ME, IF WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING FOR TEN YEARS OR LONGER I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS SIT DOWN AND WORK TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY IRON OUT THE PARAMETERS BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THIS.
AND THE PARAMETERS COULD ALSO INCLUDE PLACEMENT.
AND I'LL JUST SAY GENERALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE VISION ZERO INITIATIVE WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING THEM MORE RIGHT OF WAY AS OPPOSED TO TAKING THE RIGHT OF WAY AWAY.
AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALWAYS THE LATTER AROUND THE CITY.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I FULLY SUPPORT CHAIR GRACEY'S MOTION.
I MEAN, WE'RE THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE FOR THE SCOOTERS.
SO I COMPLETELY AND FULLY SUPPORT YOUR MOTION.
SO I ACTUALLY DO SUPPORT MR. GRACEY'S MOTION.
AND I'M GOING TO SAY, AND THIS IS NOT TO BE OFFENSIVE TO ANYONE.
WE HAVE A WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY REPORT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE OPPOSITION IS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE.
AND YOU CAN GO TALK TO THEM ALL YOU WANT.
I TALKED TO THEM I LOVE A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE.
THIS IS NOT OFFENSIVE TO THEM EITHER.
THEY REPRESENT A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE AND THEIR FOLKS DON'T WANT IT, AND THAT'S THAT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S TIME FOR US TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY OF THE FUTURE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE CITIES JUST FOR THE WORLD CUP, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WAS CHOSEN IS BECAUSE OF OUR OUR ADVANCEMENT. THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE MOVING THINGS FORWARD. WE'RE WE'RE A WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL.
AND I WAS READING THE CITIES THAT ARE THE WORLD CUP CITIES WITH DALLAS BEING ONE.
THE NEXT ONE IS SAN FRANCISCO.
I HAVE BEEN IN LOS ANGELES, AND I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THESE KIOSKS THERE.
I'VE BEEN TO SEATTLE AND I'VE SEEN THIS KIOSKS AROUND TOWN.
PHILADELPHIA I HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT IT WAS BEFORE KIOSKS, DIGITAL KIOSKS EXISTED.
ATLANTA I GO THERE PROBABLY 2 OR 3 TIMES A YEAR, AND I'VE SEEN THEM BEING UTILIZED AND USED THERE.
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BOSTON I HAVE NOT BEEN IN A LONG TIME, SO THERE WERE NO DIGITAL DIGITAL KIOSKS BACK THEN.NEW YORK CITY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CITIES TO GO HANG OUT IN.
AND LET ME TELL YOU, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I SAW A DIGITAL KIOSK, THE FIRST TIME.
AND I WALKED UP TO IT BECAUSE I WAS THINKING, WHAT IS THIS THING? AND DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD BE THINKING ABOUT DOING AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE IT WAS THERE UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY NEEDED IT.
AND PEOPLE WERE USING IT AND THEY HAD SOME REALLY COOL FUNCTIONS.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT THEY ARE, BUT THE COOL FUNCTIONS THAT ANYBODY COULD UTILIZE, WHETHER YOU'RE LET ME JUST GO WITH HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN SO LOW ON BATTERY ON YOUR CELL PHONE? BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING, WELL, YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE COOLEST THING.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. HOW MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE A CELL PHONE AND YOU GO TO A CITY YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO, AND YOU'RE IN A HOTEL AND YOU GO DOWN TO THE CONCIERGE AND ASK THEM, BUT YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE.
WELL, THEN WHY DO HOTELS STILL HAVE CONCIERGE? BECAUSE WE LIKE TO GET INFORMATION THAT'S NOT IN OUR HANDS SOMETIMES, OR THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
THESE DIGITAL KIOSKS ARE USED.
I HEARD STUFF ABOUT ADVERTISEMENT WOULD NOT BE FOR THE LOCAL, FOR THE LOCAL PERSON.
YOU JUST WRITE IT INTO THE CONTRACT.
YOU MUST GIVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FOR LOCAL.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FOCUS ON WHATEVER IT IS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER MR. ATKINS, WHEN WE DID AT&T DISCOVERY, THEY WANTED IT TO BE ALL ADVERTISING AND WE SAID NO BECAUSE WE KNEW WHAT OUR IDEA WAS FOR IT. AND THE ONLY ADVERTISING WE LET THEM DO IS AT&T, BECAUSE IT'S THEIRS.
AND THAT'S A SMART THING THAT WE DID.
AND LET ME TELL YOU, I'M GLAD WE DID IT THE WAY WE DID IT.
AND WE WROTE IT ALL INTO THE CONTRACT.
I WATCHED TEAM USA PLAY THERE.
I'VE SEEN THE DALLAS COWBOYS PLAY ON THEIR FINAL GAME FOR THE MAVERICKS.
AND PEOPLE GATHER, THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S THEIR GATHERING PLACE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO WITH THESE AS WELL.
THESE WILL NOT BE THE STATIC KIOSKS, I PROMISE YOU.
WE WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN, BECAUSE THAT WAS A TERRIBLE CONTRACT AND IT'S HORRIFIC.
RIGHT. AND THAT WAS A BAD THING.
AND SHE WAS ONE OF THE APPOINTEES REPRESENTING UPTOWN.
AND THEY WERE ALL VALID BECAUSE ALL WE REMEMBERED WAS THE NIGHTMARE DISASTER THAT WAS SCOOTERS.
AND I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS LIKE, GET THEM THE HECK OUT OF HERE.
I DON'T WANT THEM. I WAS SICK AND TIRED OF GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT SCOOTERS.
STATIC KIOSKS I WASN'T ON THE COUNCIL WHEN THEY WERE FIRST INSTALLED, BUT HERE WE ARE.
WHAT IS IT? 25, 30 YEARS LATER AND ALL WE HEAR ABOUT IS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM.
SO PLEASE IF STAFF CAN GO OUT, AS MR. ATKINS WAS SAYING, LET'S GO CHECK CODE ON THOSE.
ARE THEY ARE THEY DO THEY NEED REPAIR? ARE THEY BLOCKING SIGHT LINES? I KEEP HEARING FAR NORTH DALLAS YOU KNOW COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM.
ARE THEY ARE THEY ARE THEY INCORRECT ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACT THAT WAS THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER.
THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE RECEIVED THAT THERE'S A PROVEN SUCCESS ON THESE KIOSKS.
THAT'S WHY I'M I'M IN FAVOR OF THEM.
BUT IMAGINE ALL THE OTHER EVENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN OUR CITY THAT ARE COMING THROUGH.
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HAVING TO OVERCUT ANYTHING, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT BUDGET.AND I TALKED TO GUS EARLIER ABOUT THE PLACEMENT.
YOU HEARD WHAT MR. GRACEY SAID. IF YOU GOT A THREE FOOT, FOUR FOOT, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF YOUR BUSINESS, IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE.
EIGHT FEET IS ENOUGH SPACE BECAUSE THAT'S THE STANDARD GIANT WALKING SIDEWALK WHERE IF YOU HAVE THIS KIOSK AND MAYBE IT'S WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO MANY INCHES FROM THE CURB, THAT'S WHERE IT BELONGS OUT THERE.
THAT WAY PEOPLE DON'T RUN INTO IT.
THAT'S HOW THEY ARE IN THE OTHER MAJOR CITIES AND NEVER SEEN A PROBLEM AROUND THEM, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE LETTING IN AND OUT GIGANTIC GROUPS OF PEOPLE OUT OF MAJOR FACILITIES LIKE THE AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER.
I GO TO GAMES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS AS WELL.
AND THESE THESE KIOSKS DO NOT GET IN ANYBODY'S WAY.
THE PEDESTRIANS, WE KNOW HOW TO WALK.
WE CAN SEE THE WE CAN SEE THAT IT'S NINE FEET TALL AND IT'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WIDTH.
PEOPLE ARE NOT RUNNING INTO IT.
SO YOU CAN TAILOR IT TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND GET IT TO IT'S ABOUT BISHOP ARTS.
BUT THERE ARE PARTS WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO WIDEN OUR SIDEWALKS.
WE WANT TO HAVE MONEY FOR PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
THIS IS WHERE THIS MONEY COULD BE.
THESE DOLLARS COMING IN COULD BE FOR PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, WHICH WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE POLES OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET BECAUSE WE LOVE WE LOVE TO BUILD A SIDEWALK WITH A LIGHT LIGHT FIXTURE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.
AND YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO STOP DOING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS WELL.
WE GOT TO MOVE THEM, BUT THAT COSTS MONEY.
THIS IS NOT THE MOTION THAT I HEARD DOES NOT GIVE WHICHEVER VENDOR, IF THEY THEY MAY NOT EVEN WANT TO APPLY, AND NOBODY MIGHT WANT TO APPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO HATE IT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMEBODY WILL, I'M SURE.
BUT WHAT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS IS MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE WORK'S GOING TO GET DONE.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY MORE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWERS.
AND WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR OVER THREE YEARS, AND WE'VE HAD ALL THE ENGAGEMENT.
NOTHING'S CHANGED EXCEPT FOR WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM STAFF AS FAR AS DIRECTION OR WHAT PROPOSALS FOR WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT ENOUGH.
SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT I SUPPORT THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT HAVE TO CHANGE OR MASSAGED.
I MEAN, THAT'S HOW THE LEGALITIES OF THIS WORK.
I DO AGREE THAT 30 DAYS IS PROBABLY TOO FAST, BUT Y'ALL GOT TO TELL ME WHAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S THE PROPER AMOUNT OF TIME FOR A RFP HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT STAFF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE NEUTRAL ON THIS SUBJECT.
MEMBERS, I WOULD SAY FOR SOMETHING LIKE IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU STILL WANT TO HAVE LIKE THE SCOOTER, YOU HAVE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP AND GIVE YOU FEEDBACK IF THAT'S THE ROUTE IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.
IF LOOK LIKE PEOPLE LIKE THAT DIRECTION, TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION WITH THE STAKEHOLDER TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE CITY WIDE, RIGHT? MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S PROBABLY GOOD TO HAVE SOME STAKEHOLDER GET INVOLVED IN THIS AND GET SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY CAN HAVE SOME SAY IN IT.
BUT IF YOU JUST WANT TO REVISE WHAT IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE IN THE SPRING AND ADDING SOME OF THESE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION TODAY, THAT COULD BE QUICKER. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION ABOUT DO YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE.
SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS 30 DAYS TO DO THE RFP.
BUT IT'S BEING SAID THAT Y'ALL MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN 30 DAYS.
SO I'M ASKING WHAT IS A RESPECTABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT TO GET THAT RFP OUT.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE NEW WITH US, SO THIS IS NOT ON YOU DIRECTOR LIU.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT YOU INHERITED THIS SPAGHETTI BOWL OF MESS.
I WOULD RATHER FOCUS ON STREAMLINING THE COMMERCIAL PERMITTING.
BUT YES, I WOULD RATHER YOU FOCUSED ON THAT AS WELL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IN OUR BUILDING, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CHEW GUM AND WALK AT THE SAME TIME.
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AND THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY YOU YOU I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU INHERITED IT BECAUSE THIS WAS IN TRANSPORTATION AND AND PUBLIC WORKS THE WHOLE TIME.YEAH, I'M SURE I'M GOING TO WORK WITH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ON THIS ONE.
IT IS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND NO MATTER WHAT, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.
I WOULD SAY 90 DAYS, GUS DO YOU AGREE WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS? AT THE VERY LEAST, AT THE VERY LEAST, AT THE VERY LEAST.
SO WE SAY SIX MONTHS, WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO WE ARE SIX MONTHS IS TOO LONG.
THREE MONTHS IS GETTING INTO DECEMBER.
SO HOW ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR LIKE JANUARY.
YOU'LL HAVE THIS BACK. YOU'LL HAVE THE RFP READY FOR IF THIS PASSES A COUNCIL VOTE.
I MEAN, I'LL DEFER TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD YOU'RE UP DEV.
WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW SET OF TEAM HERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GUS SO.
WELL, I WANT TO WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THIS IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.
AND IF THE DIRECTION OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN RFP, I THINK WE WOULD YOU KNOW, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMPLEXITIES OF THIS, I THINK WE WE NEED TO TO SAY EARLIEST BY BY JANUARY.
RECOGNIZING THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME HURDLES ALONG THE WAY, WE WILL KEEP THE COMMITTEE INFORMED IF THERE ARE HURDLES THAT CREATE A CHALLENGE TO TO MEETING THAT SCHEDULE.
BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSION GOING ON FOR SOME TIME.
WE WANT TO MOVE, AS OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER SAYS, THAT THE SPEED OF BUSINESS.
AND SO YOU KNOW, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO GET IT RIGHT.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE WE'RE PULLING AN RFP.
BUT WE'LL KEEP THE COMMITTEE INFORMED IF THERE ARE CHALLENGES ALONG THE WAY.
DOES THAT SOUND FAIR? [INAUDIBLE] I NEED TO DEFER TO THE MOTION MAKER, SO.
YEAH. YEAH, 30 TO 90 DAYS. AND I FORGOT WHO DID THE SECOND MR. RESENDEZ IS THAT AMENABLE TO YOU, 30 TO 90 DAYS SINCE YOU WERE THE SECOND? VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S DONE.
OH, MISS MENDELSOHN, GO AHEAD.
I'M JUST NOT AWARE OF ANY PROCUREMENT THAT'S EVER HAPPENED THAT FAST LIKE, EVER.
I THINK I THINK IT'S COMING OFF OF THE FACT THAT THERE WAS AN RFP THAT WAS ISSUED ALREADY.
SO IT'S STAFF DOES HAVE A FORM OF AN RFP.
BECAUSE THERE WAS AN RFP AND IT WAS LIKE MR. GRACEY SAID EARLIER, IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST YANKED AND PULLED.
THE APPLICATION, SAME THING WITH THE RFP.
SO IT NEVER WAS VOTED ON BY THE COUNCIL.
AND SO THERE IS A FORM OF AN RFP OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE CHANGED A LOT OR NOT.
SO I THINK 30 TO 90 DAYS IS ACCEPTABLE.
THAT'S ME AND THE MOTION MAKERS.
AGREED. YES. MISS MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
AND SO MY QUESTION TO EMILY IS, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE LOOKING TO GO BACK AND GET ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, BUT I DID NOT GET A CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE CLARITY ON THAT IF I NEED IDEALLY, SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT, THIS BIG, YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE LIKE A STAKEHOLDER TO GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS.
LIKE THE SCOOTER PROCESS, MAYBE YOU CAN GET A SPECIFIC CRITERIA IN THERE WITH EVERYBODY INPUT.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED A MINIMUM OF 90 DAYS.
AND THEN GUS, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GET THAT SCOOTER GROUP TOGETHER AND WORK OUT THE SPECIFICS FOR THE SCOOTERS? WE PUT THE WORK GROUP TOGETHER, AND I THINK IT TOOK US AT LEAST NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR BASICALLY TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
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YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW IN 90 DAYS YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A GROUP TOGETHER, GET THEM TOGETHER, GET SPECIFIC INPUT, MEANING VERY DETAILED INFORMATION LIKE WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING EARLIER AND THEN ACTUALLY DO A NEW RFP OR EVEN SOMEHOW RESURRECT AN EXISTING ONE, WHICH I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT HAPPENS EITHER.
THIS SEEMS AT BEST ASPIRATIONAL, BUT COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE.
I MEAN, IS DANIELLE AVAILABLE TO TALK FROM PROCUREMENT? THERE'S A LOT OF LAWS ASSOCIATED WITH PROCUREMENT.
I DON'T SEE HER IN THE CHAMBER.
BUT THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
AND THANK YOU, MISS MENDELSOHN.
SO TO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, IT CAN ACTUALLY BE DONE IN 90 DAYS, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE SOME EXISTING SPECIFICATIONS. IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENT.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE NEVER SEEN A PROCUREMENT, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK A LOT OF THE WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND I'LL SAY THIS TO TO MISS LIU.
HOLD ON. LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK, GATHER BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND I'M SAYING A LOT OF THE WORK IN THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
IN FACT, ONCE YOU LAY OUT THE SCHEDULE FOR THE PROCUREMENT, A LOT OF THOSE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS CAN BE PUT IN BECAUSE TYPICALLY THEY HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED FOR ABOUT 14 DAYS OR SO. AND IN THAT THERE ARE TYPICALLY AT LEAST TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS WHERE THE VENDORS THAT WOULD BE RESPONDING COULD COME AS WELL AS SOMETIMES THE THE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED CAN COME AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE 90 DAYS.
BUT DURING THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS THEY HAVE THOSE INTEREST MEETINGS.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THE VENDORS CAN COME.
AND THE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED TO ASK QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE SPECIFICATIONS.
ALL OF THAT CAN BE DONE IN 90 DAYS IF THERE'S PROPER MOTIVATION.
WE JUST NEED TO ISSUE THEM AND GET THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK DURING THAT PROCESS.
SO I'M GOING TO WRAP THIS UP AND THEN WE'LL VOTE.
AND THE FREE MARKET DECIDED IT WAS GOING TO MAKE THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT HAD NO RULES IN PLACE, ANY RULES WHATSOEVER, AND MAKE US THE HOLDING PIT FOR EVERY SINGLE SCOOTER AND BICYCLE, I THINK, IN THE WORLD FOR A WHILE.
THAT'S WHY IT TOOK IT TOOK US NINE MONTHS.
AND AND, YOU KNOW, AND THERE WAS THE HOLIDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS GROUP WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD.
AND THAT'S WHAT TOOK THE LONGEST PIECE.
BUT OVERALL, IT WASN'T THAT THEY THAT IT'S THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE SOMETHING DOES EXIST.
THERE IS SOMETHING OUT THERE ALREADY.
YOU HAVE POLICY THAT WAS OR SOMETHING THAT WAS BEING FORMED ALREADY WHEN IT CAME TO DIGITAL.
SO I DON'T I DON'T SEE IT THE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS, NOT A QUESTION, JUST A STATEMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE WE SIT AROUND HERE AND WE SAY WE WANT TO MOVE STUFF LIKE THE WORLD CUP.
YOU KNOW, WE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE WOMEN'S BASKETBALL GAME.
WOMEN'S SOCCER GAME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MARKETING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING STUFF.
THE CITY OF DALLAS CANNOT BE A STANDSTILL CITY.
AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHY WE STARTED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BECAUSE WE MOVED SO SLOW.
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SO WE GOT TO GET A CHANCE TO KIND OF MOVE FASTER THAN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE DON'T WE'RE GOING TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITIES.IF WE MISS THAT FLIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MISS THAT FLIGHT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT BACK.
AND I THINK MOST WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE.
AND SO STAFF GET SOME MORE, STAFF HIRE SOME MORE PEOPLE SOMETIME AFTER 5:00 WE CAN'T CALL STAFF.
SO I WANT TO TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER.
THIS IS A PRIORITY FROM THE POLICY MAKERS.
AS A POLICY MAKER WE'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, LET'S MOVE THE BUS, MOVE DOWN A LITTLE FASTER BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DOING GOOD BUSINESS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, FOR OUR TAXPAYER WHEN WE HOLD STUFF BACK BECAUSE WE SAY WE CANNOT DO IT, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE DID IT IN THE PAST.
AND I THINK WE CAN MOVE STUFF FASTER IF WE GOT STAFF TO DO IT, NOT THE 9 TO 5.
LET'S BE COMPETITIVE WITH THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU. VERY GOOD WITH THAT.
WE'LL DO A RECORD VOTE THAT WAY FOLKS CAN HEAR IT.
NO. MR. RESENDEZ. YES, MR. GRACEY. YES, MISS STEWART.
YES. AND I'M VOTING YES AS WELL.
AND A VOTE OF 5 TO 1 WITH ONE ABSENT.
THE MOTION CARRIES AND MOVES FORWARD.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU EVERYBODY ON THAT ONE.
AND NEXT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA AGENDA ITEM E.
I'M GOING TO HOLD THIS ONE AND MOVE THIS INTO THE NEXT NEXT COMMITTEE IF THAT'S OKAY.
DFW AIRPORT, Y'ALL ARE HERE AND BEEN SO PATIENT, BUT I'M ABOUT TO LOSE QUORUM.
AND LETTER F PROPOSED 25 TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS QUARTERLY REPORT.
MISS MENDELSOHN, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE.
AND SO I'M GIVING YOU THE FLOOR.
MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT FOR EXHIBIT.
WELL, FOR MOST OF THE EXHIBITS, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS A WAY BETTER IDEA.
LIKE, I LOVE THAT YOU'RE CHANGING THIS UP.
SO IF I CAN SUGGEST YOU ADD THAT AND THEN CAN YOU EXPLAIN IF YOU'RE INTENDING TO HAVE ITEMS ROLL OFF ONCE THEY'RE COMPLETED AND NEW ITEMS ADDED ON, OR IF IT'S GOING TO JUST BE EVERY SINGLE PROJECT CONSIDERED FOR THE YEAR.
AND THIS IS THE KIND OF FEEDBACK THAT WE NEED.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I MEAN I WAS THINKING THAT WE WILL TRY TO INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THE LISTINGS, TO HAVE A LINK TO THE FILES WHERE THEY ARE, SO THAT BASICALLY PEOPLE CAN SEE AND THEN AS PROJECTS ARE DONE, BASICALLY EITHER COLOR CODE THEM OR DON'T APPEAR ANYMORE, BUT THEY'LL STILL BE IN THE DATABASE.
BUT THEY WILL NOT APPEAR IN THE PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL YET TO BE COMPLETED.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THIS IS A START.
AND IF AT SOME POINT WE ISSUE THE FIRST QUARTER OR THE FIRST REPORT AND STILL THERE ARE SOME CLARITY OR SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST, WE WILL HAPPILY DO. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY IS WE WANT CLARITY AND TRANSPARENCY AND EVERYBODY TO SEE WHAT PROJECTS THEY HAVE PLANNED, BOTH FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS FUNDING AS WELL AS THE BOND AND OTHER OTHER FUNDS.
WELL, YEAH, I DEFINITELY THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
IF I CAN OFFER THIS AS A SUGGESTION, WHEN AN ITEM IS COMPLETED, MAYBE YOU SHOW IT COMPLETED AT A MONTHLY REPORT, BUT THEN THE NEXT MONTH IT'S MOVED UP INTO A AGGREGATE OF COMPLETED ITEMS. AND THAT WAY WE CAN BE TRACKING PROJECTS AS THEY POP UP AS THEY GET COMPLETED.
BUT THEN ONCE IT IS DONE AND IT'S BEEN REPORTED TO US THAT IT'S DONE, IT JUST MOVES THAT AGGREGATE.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG REPORT, BUT I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THEN, CHAIR, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, I HAD A QUESTION ON TWO OF THE UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS. THANK YOU. OKAY.
YEAH. THANK AND THANK YOU, GUS AND THANK YOU, DEV, FOR BRINGING SOME EFFICIENCY HERE ON THE REPORT.
UPCOMING AGENDA. GO AHEAD, MISS MENDELSOHN, SINCE YOU HAVE TWO.
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I APOLOGIZE, MISS MENDELSOHN.THEY TOLD ME THIS EARLIER AND I BELIEVE A MEMO WENT OUT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER ABOUT THE MEMO.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY TOLD ME EARLIER AND I COMPLETELY FORGOT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT ON THE AGENDA, SO I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS TOLD THAT AND I IT SLIPPED MY MIND.
OTHER THAN THAT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S THE END OF THE AGENDA. MR. SANDERS, I APOLOGIZE.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO. IT LOOKS LIKE.
NOPE. OKAY. WITH THAT, THE TIME IS NOW 3:02 P.M., AND I NOW ADJOURN THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024 TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE MEETING FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.